[12:02] <kay> I guess, you ought to select "no timezone" there
[12:02] <DaBlade> I'm 80km southeast of Oslo, but that doesn't matter lol
[12:02] <kay> for kicker applet, select in context menu, timezone "local"
[12:02] <DaBlade> no timezone?
[12:03] <kay> Yeah, if your BIOS is already 1h off...
[12:03] <DaBlade> yay now it seems normal
[12:03] <KaiL> is there no way to re-set the bios time interpretition?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> DaBlade: you can rerun base-config ( sudo base-config) and change the answer for time zone, otherwise the windows boot will ne wrong next time it boote
[12:03] <DaBlade> No need, thoreaputic. it seems to work nicely now
[12:04] <kay> The problems come when you dual boot then
[12:04] <DaBlade> but one more thing. if I accidently roll the mouse wheel over the clock applet, it'll change timezone. is it possible to stop that from happening?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> DaBlade: yes, but the test is what windows will do next time it boots :)
[12:04] <kay> Or ntpdate fails
[12:04] <kay> DaBlade: I only managed that by configuration of the thing and hunting down all timezones and disabling them
[12:04] <KaiL> DaBlade: rerunning base-config and then saying "clock is NOT set to GMT" would fix it the clean way ;)
[12:05] <kay> DaBlade: So I don't have timezones their and it doesn't get accidently changed
[12:05] <DaBlade> ok thanks for the help people :)
[12:05] <kay> btw, it took me months to understand why the timezone changed randomly 
[12:06] <DaBlade> me too lol
[12:06] <DaBlade> I ended up asking on some Mandrake forum, and some guy told me it's the wheel lol
[12:06] <kay> KaiL: Well, it's certainly more professional to have UTC in your notebook clock and when you travel around the world to only change the timezone
[12:06] <DaBlade> (I used first Knoppix, then Fedora Core 2, then Mandrake, Fedora Core 3 and now Kubuntu)
[12:06] <kay> KaiL: Otherwise, people will be having to change time in BIOS
[12:07] <KaiL> kay: that's an argument 
[12:07] <KaiL> hmm
[12:07] <DaBlade> ok, disabled all timezones..no more accidental switches :D
[12:07] <KaiL> hehe
[12:08] <kay> That kicker applet feature is anti-usability or so
[12:08] <DaBlade> I think switching it with the mouse is something KDE should change...
[12:08] <kay> Somebody wanting to show off features nobody needs with non-obvious ways to use
[12:08] <DaBlade> oh, and one more thing
[12:08] <DaBlade> how do I make the trashbin appear on the desktop?
[12:08] <DaBlade> I don't want it in kicker
[12:09] <kay> No idea, have no desktop and no trashbin applet :p
[12:09] <DaBlade> I miss the regular trashbin that was in KDE up to 3.3
[12:10] <Diablo-D3> heh
[12:10] <Diablo-D3> kde is full of anti-usability
[12:10] <shiv> I keep getting this message cp: cannot stat `kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop': No such file or directory
[12:10] <Diablo-D3> but gnome, on the other hand, is all anti-usability
[12:10] <transgress> troll
[12:10] <kay> Diablo-D3: Not so bad
[12:10] <shiv> eventhough I put the file there
[12:10] <kay> Diablo-D3: I meant KDE
[12:11] <Diablo-D3> and windows is as anti-usability as it gets
[12:11] <transgress> troll
[12:11] <DaBlade> Windoze is as anti-anything as it gets
[12:11] <Diablo-D3> oh shush transgress 
[12:11] <DaBlade> But it's reliable if you like seeing lots of blue
[12:11] <kay> Well, I forgot about it anyway
[12:11] <DaBlade> (BSOD)
[12:11] <transgress> you are trolling fox news style
[12:11] <Diablo-D3> I just think it can get better
[12:12] <kay> Yeah, my Windows collegues have not seen BSOD for months now
[12:12] <DaBlade> kay: I saw one half a week ago when dad had windoze problems lol
[12:12] <kay> The point of Linux is a different, being nicer to use in about everything
[12:12] <Diablo-D3> DaBlade: I _still_ dont get the lack of a trash can link on the desktop
[12:12] <KaiL> kay: they don't use windows any more?
[12:12] <KaiL> or how that?
[12:12] <kay> lol
[12:12] <kkathman> I like the trash folder at the far end of the tray...its out of the way :)
[12:12] <kay> No, we just code and remote work on Unix and Linux :p
[12:12] <DaBlade> I like it on the desktop
[12:13] <Diablo-D3> I dont like the trash link on the bar
[12:13] <shiv> does this mean anything /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop' is malformatted
[12:13] <Diablo-D3> I removed it becayse its wasting space
[12:13] <shiv> malformatted?
[12:13] <kay> bye
[12:13] <kay> Taking sleep...
[12:13] <Diablo-D3> shiv: it means its a broken file
[12:13] <Diablo-D3> night kay
[12:13] <shiv> hmm
[12:16] <kkathman> Ive gotten used to, in ubuntu, trying to have virtually nothing on the desktop, and more in the bottom two panels, which keeps things accessible when Im running applications. That way I dont constantly have to move windows to get to something
[12:18] <kkathman> so whats new Diablo-D3  anything good goin on?
[12:18] <Diablo-D3> nope
[12:19] <Diablo-D3> and I seem to be having the trashcan discussion in #kde-devel
[12:19] <KaiL> I guess that's an endless one
[12:22] <kkathman> lol
[12:23] <kkathman> I imagine, like many things, its a matter of preference...you should be able to like create an icon on the screen and link it to the trash I'd think
[12:23] <mrmanic> I don't use the trash
[12:23] <gdh> Is Riddell around tonight? :)
[12:23] <gdh> I've found a stupid bug in the kmail package in kubuntu
[12:24] <transgress> ?
[12:24] <kkathman> uh oh
[12:24] <mrmanic> my kmail keeps crashing
[12:24] <kkathman> I dont use kmail so I dont know 
[12:24] <gdh> Thanks to till on #kolab, the KMail.desktop shouldn't have 'Hidden=true'
[12:25] <gdh> since it stops Kontact's Kolab client support from working
[12:25] <mrmanic> things really don't like it when there isn't any room in your home directory
[12:25] <transgress> kolab?
[12:25] <Riddell> gdh: hello
[12:25] <gdh> Evening :)
[12:25] <gdh> [23:22]  *till* Feel free to tell him to ping me, or something, in case it's unclear.
[12:25] <gdh> [23:22]  *till* I would love to know who thought it was a good idea to do that.
[12:25] <transgress> what is kolab?
[12:26] <Riddell> hmm, how come it stops the Kolab client from working?
[12:26] <gdh> Riddell: /msg till :)
[12:26] <mrmanic> transgress: a groupware server.
[12:26] <transgress> ah i see
[12:26] <gdh> heheh :))
[12:26] <till> Riddell: Heya.
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[12:26] <Riddell> hi till 
[12:26] <till> Riddell: Let me guess, you meant to disable KMail in favour of Kontact?
[12:26] <Riddell> till: that's the one
[12:27] <transgress> yeah why is that?  kontact is way overkill... i had to add that crap to my menu
[12:27] <till> Riddell: Ok, that was not the way to do it. :)
[12:27] <gdh> till: Haven't you heard that all-in-one giant apps are better than single-purpose ones? :)
[12:27] <transgress> kmail being that crap
[12:27] <kakalto> does anyone here use kitchensync?
[12:27] <transgress> gdh: you meant transgress huh?
[12:27] <Riddell> till: how come it stops the kolab client from working?
[12:27] <gdh> transgress: no...
[12:27] <mrmanic> kakalto: do you mean multisynk?
[12:28] <kakalto> no, I mean the kitchensync
[12:28] <transgress> gdh: oh... well it would've answered my question quite well... in a sarcastic tone
[12:28] <till> Riddell: you disabled KMail (and it's part) from providing the ResourceBackend servicetype.
[12:28] <Riddell> gosh
[12:28] <till> Riddell: proko2 has a dcopkontact.desktop which does things properly.
[12:28] <mrmanic> kakalto: i've tried, but I don't get it working successfully.
[12:28] <Riddell> till: what's proko2?
[12:29] <till> Riddell: the name of the branch for Project Kolab 2
[12:29] <till> Riddell: Where they did the same thing.
[12:29] <kakalto> mrmanic, I was just wondering what it does...
[12:29] <gdh> transgress: I'm too nice for that =)
[12:29] <Riddell> right
[12:29] <till> Riddell: Properly. ;)
[12:29] <kakalto> like, you wash dishes in it?
[12:29] <mrmanic> kaka
[12:29] <mrmanic> er
[12:29] <kakalto> :)
[12:29] <mrmanic> kakalto: it's a sync engine, I think
[12:29] <kakalto> right
[12:30] <till> Riddell: Want me to mail you that? Can you guys maybe provide an updated package somehow?
[12:30] <mrmanic> kakalto: it uses plugins to sync with things that have plugins for syncing with them
[12:30] <mrmanic> for example
[12:30] <Riddell> till: well we can fix it for the next release
[12:30] <gdh> I am just happy that for once there /was/ a real problem with the dist rather than just me being a fucktard =)
[12:30] <Riddell> till: e-mailing it would be good
[12:30] <kakalto> gdh :)
[12:30] <till> Riddell: Will do that, then.
[12:30] <mrmanic> kakalto: it SHOULD allow syncing between kontact and pocketpc, though currently that doesn't work for me.
[12:30] <kakalto> ahk
[12:30] <till> Riddell: At least you are now aware that kolab support is completely broken. :)
[12:31] <Riddell> gdh: there are many more problems I can assure you
[12:31] <till> Riddell: which email?
[12:31] <Riddell> till: jr@jriddell.org
[12:31] <gdh> Riddell: Better to know about them than live in ignorant bliss =)
[12:31] <Riddell> gdh: fancy making a bugzilla entry?
[12:32] <gdh> Sure, cando...
[12:33] <mrmanic> kakalto: my confusion was that kitchensync is the engine and multisynk is the program that is used by kontact, I think.
[12:33] <transgress> would making kmail visible, such as going into control center and adding it back to the panel help?  out of curiousity
[12:33] <kakalto> ahh
[12:33] <till> transgress: with the kolab problem?
[12:33] <transgress> yes
[12:34] <transgress> or is this a compilation thing
[12:36] <gdh> Riddell: Done... 10744
[12:36] <till> transgress: No, that would not help.
[12:37] <till> transgress: The desktop file needs to be changed, it has a wrong line in it.
[12:37] <till> Riddell: sent.
[12:37] <transgress> k
[12:37] <till> gdh: Thanks for helping to track this down, i'm logging out of your box, nuke the account. :)
[12:38] <Riddell> ah, NoDisplay.  interesting
[12:38] <gdh> no worries, happy I could, er, 'help' :)
[12:38] <Tezkah> so if I turn my laptop screen off
[12:38] <Tezkah> and turn it back on
[12:38] <Tezkah> it comes back as garbled X
[12:39] <till> Cheerio, kunbutus.
[12:43] <Tm_T> hmm, my apache give only 404 =)
[12:44] <mrmanic> better your apache than your bank account :\
[12:44] <gdh> Hm, just found another bug, but this one's in 'regular' kmail - no groupware shiz :) 
[12:44] <gdh> Should I report to kubuntu bugzilla or kde.org ?
[12:53] <Tm_T> hahaa, user error
[12:53] <Tm_T> apche up and running nicely
[12:53] <Tm_T> now if I can run blog ...
[12:58] <transgress> gdh: what bug?
[01:02] <GameCat> hi
[01:02] <transgress> yo
[01:02] <simplee> okay, another question now, i got the drive for the card installed and saying installed ndis drivers: bcwml5 driver present, hardware present
[01:02] <gdh> transgress: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10745
[01:02] <simplee> did ndiswrapper -m and it said "adding " alias wlan0 ndiswrapper" to /etc/modules.conf
[01:02] <simplee> but no dice
[01:03] <Diablo-D3> grr wtf
[01:03] <simplee> so i try sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:03] <Diablo-D3> why the hell cant I tab complete packages
[01:03] <simplee> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[01:03] <simplee> and get that
[01:03] <simplee> anybody know :/
[01:03] <GameCat> i have what may be a silly question; is there any way to make an icon that will automatically mount an nfs share and open konq, like the way CDs are handled?
[01:05] <gdh> GameCat: Likely you need to add a line to /etc/fstab especially with the 'user' option - that's what allows normal users to mount a drive
[01:05] <GameCat> gdh: I have fstab set up fine, user can mount the nfs share from a console
[01:06] <GameCat> I just want to know if i can do it from an icon
[01:06] <gdh> GameCat: How about right click on desktop -> Create New ->  Link To Device -> NFS
[01:06] <transgress> simplee: ndiswrapper -l
[01:06] <gdh> then change the Device tab ?
[01:07] <simplee> yeah
[01:07] <transgress> what's it say?
[01:07] <simplee> i'm not on kubuntu right now
[01:07] <GameCat> gdh: ah, I'll give that a go, thanks
[01:07] <simplee> installed ndis drivers:
[01:07] <simplee> bcmwl5 driver present, hardware present
[01:07] <transgress> hold
[01:07] <simplee> okay (:
[01:08] <transgress> simplee: you get the package for ndiswrapper?
[01:08] <simplee> yeah used it and everything
[01:08] <simplee> ndiswrapper-utils
[01:08] <simplee> got it to install the drive
[01:08] <Hussam> is there a program simmilar to vmware for linux but for free?
[01:09] <simplee> added the wlan0 alias to ndiswrapper 
[01:09] <simplee> and it said it _should_ be up and running
[01:09] <simplee> if not, then do sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:09] <simplee> so i did that, and got that error
[01:11] <gdh> Hussam: qemu
[01:14] <nmorse> right, so kdevelop -setup seems to be missing more than a few things
[01:14] <nmorse> that I can't find
[01:14] <nmorse> SGML2HTML? Where is it? No package named it like in Debian
[01:15] <nmorse> Scratch that, it's been renamed to sgmltools-lite
[01:19] <KaiL> mepisman: mepis user or mepis developer?
[01:21] <foodcoman> I sure wish I had more time to spend in channel.
[01:22] <foodcoman> Has anyone of you played with the IVTV stuff for Hauppauge and Myth TV?
[01:24] <gdh> Nah I use proper digital stuff, not analogue encoders :)
[01:25] <foodcoman> If one where to go DTV what devices and sofware for (k)Ubuntu would be a great choice?
[01:26] <gdh> I don't think there are any packaged DVB viewer apps in Ubuntu
[01:26] <simplee> hm
[01:26] <gdh> KaxTV etc.
[01:27] <gdh> There's 'kvdr' but that need a full-feature DVB card (200 EUR) etc.
[01:29] <foodcoman> US is a bit behind in the Digital realm I believe!  Especially with the Broadcast Flag issues!
[01:29] <gdh> Nice to see that shit got thrown out :)
[01:29] <gdh> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/07/broadcast_flag_shot_down/
[01:30] <GameCat> http://news.com.com/2061-10796_3-5706070.html?part=rss&tag=5706070&subj=news
[01:30] <GameCat> swap you :)
[01:31] <foodcoman> Sure was!  I wonder though what the next attack is?  They aren't going to give up that easy.  Probably the attack downloader!
[01:31] <foodcoman> ...downloaders of TV recordings.
[01:31] <gdh> GameCat: Not surprised :)
[01:31] <darkaudit> foodcoman: shot down, but now the MPAA wants the congressmen in it's pocket to rewrite the law to bring it back
[01:31] <gdh> modchips for Xbox, for PC and soon for your TV... 
[01:31] <GameCat> gdh: nor me, but not impressed either :/
[01:31] <gdh> fantastic....
[01:32] <transgress> so they are suing the tv downloaders now huh?
[01:32] <gdh> yes :)
[01:32] <transgress> well... that sucks... seeing as it's the only way i watch the 3 shows a week that i watch
[01:32] <foodcoman> transgress: I have not seen a specific example, but because the material is Copyrighted, they will be soon.
[01:33] <simplee> any idea on the error ;o
[01:33] <transgress> i thought the mpaa didn't have power over tv
[01:33] <foodcoman> http://www.eff.org/broadcastflag/
[01:33] <foodcoman> That still leaves open their ability to attack the suppliers and downloaders.
[01:33] <transgress> NO!  btefnet is already gone!
[01:33] <transgress> no!
[01:34] <sirukin> yeah
[01:34] <sirukin> I saw that
[01:34] <sirukin> :[[[
[01:35] <transgress> good god damn it... now i have to find somewhere else to dl american dad
[01:35] <foodcoman> or you will all have to start running onion routers.
[01:35] <foodcoman> =)
[01:35] <foodcoman> Slow!!!!!!!
[01:36] <kkathman> rofl transgress
[01:37] <foodcoman> http://tor.eff.org/index.html
[01:37] <kkathman> I have serious doubts that the world will go 100% digital in the near future tho
[01:38] <kkathman> there is simply too much advertising pressure to keep that from happening until the price is competitive for the average family. 
[01:38] <mrmanic> a buddy of mine got sued for running a tv tracker.
[01:39] <foodcoman> I have found it necessary to keep it legal from my perspective.  I paid my dues once already.
[01:39] <foodcoman> Let me just say that it can be one very expensive hobby!
[01:40] <transgress> mrmanic: that sucks... i got bitched at by my ISP for downloading a movie
[01:40] <transgress> i'd give my right leg for the woman who sued comcast to win... bet that'd put a cramp in the MPAA's and RIAA's style
[01:41] <NTolerance> this non-transparent GAIM systray icon is really cramping my style
[01:43] <kkathman> I got a new notice in the mail, that a new provider is offering fiber optic broadband..for the same price Im paying now, I can get 15Mb download which works out to 10x faster than what I have today with my DSL
[01:43] <foodcoman> Smokin fast!
[01:43] <kkathman> that would mean I could download a movie in like 5 minutes :)
[01:43] <mrmanic> this is funny
[01:43] <mrmanic> http://www.monzy.com/intro/drama_lyrics.html
[01:45] <NTolerance> are you talking about FIOS kkathman 
[01:45] <NTolerance> ?
[01:45] <kkathman> NTolerance: yes
[01:45] <NTolerance> you're a lucky bastard
[01:45] <NTolerance> i live in the state capital and i can't get that :(
[01:46] <kkathman> even luckier that my company will just pay for it
[01:46] <kkathman> seems there has to be a catch tho
[01:46] <kkathman> but my colleague checked it out and its all legit and you CAN get those speeds
[01:47] <foodcoman> I came from DSL and Cable has made getting Linux distro, Package updates, Packages and VPN a dream.
[01:47] <kkathman> I get reasonable speed on my DSL, but 15Mb is like WOW
[01:47] <NTolerance> brb
[01:48] <kkathman> most people around here get 500 or 768 down and around 128 up....I currently get 1.5Mb down and 384 up
[01:49] <foodcoman> I would like a touch more up for VPN to make Remote desktop sessions for server administration a little faster!
[01:49] <gdh> UK average is now 1M/256.... but 15M down - cool :)
[01:50] <pussfeller> i got like 1100 both ways
[01:50] <gdh> da fonk :)
[01:50] <gdh> would happily sacrifice download for more up
[01:51] <pussfeller> i notice they are capping emule upstream tho
[01:51] <gdh> don't give a shit about p2p, a good news feed is much more fun
[01:51] <gdh> and nzb's make it a piece of piss
[01:52] <foodcoman> hahaha, gdh you subscribe to a feed and uudecode most of your stuff.  I used to long ago!
[01:52] <pussfeller> im sooo glad to be away from comcast and their shitty 30K up
[01:53] <pussfeller> lousy narcs to boot
[01:53] <foodcoman> Many of the readers automate the pieces nicely now.
[01:53] <gdh> foodcoman: no, www.newzbin.com. download nzb, tell 'nzbget' to get it. come back in a few hours.
[01:53] <gdh> none of the 'download a million article headers' bollocks.
[01:53] <pussfeller> i used to use nget, but roadrunners news support sucked
[01:55] <gdh> true that many ISP news services suck, I guess we're quite lucky
[01:55] <gdh> plus I have access to others from work, etc. so can proxy through them
[01:55] <GameCat> I use easynews
[01:55] <GameCat> my isp barely HAS a news server
[01:56] <GameCat> what are these readers of which you speak? anyone got a fave?
[01:56] <foodcoman> Comcast is getting their service from Giganews  1 or 2 gig per month with your cable account.
[01:57] <GameCat> thats a good idea, saves them having to admin the bugger themselves
[01:57] <gdh> I don't use a reader, just newzbin.com (or http://alt.binaries.nl if you can't afford 50p per week) and 'Grabit' for windows or nzbget for *IX
[01:57] <shiv> is anybody able to install this http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23981
[01:57] <foodcoman> Somebody was talking about a small fast one, that was not part of the repositories.
[01:57] <GameCat> gdh: ah right, the easynews interface is terrific for web, I was thinking more of a desktop client
[01:57] <foodcoman> PAN will work though.
[01:58] <shiv> how do i move the trash can to desktop?
[01:58] <GameCat> 50p? you have to be in the UK :)
[01:58] <gdh> GameCat: PayPal :)
[01:58] <GameCat> hehe
[01:59] <gdh> shiv: lame, but create a shortcut to "trash:/" ?
[01:59] <foodcoman> Can KDE be told not to use the Trash at all?
[01:59] <gdh> ok you wont get the two different icons for 'full trash' and 'empty trash'..
[01:59] <GameCat> thats where I am anyway, but I buy my usenet in US$ as it happens
[02:06] <foodcoman> Starwars is about a week out eh?
[02:06] <crimsun> yep
[02:07] <sproingie> Star Wars Episode 3: Closure For Disgruntled Fans
[02:07] <foodcoman> I was in line the opening day for the 1st one.  I was about 10.  My older brother took me.
[02:07] <crimsun> I'm not falling for that hype again
[02:08] <foodcoman> I will wait till it all chills out then go see it.  It better than watching a chick flick with my wife!  hehehe
[02:08] <sproingie> i guess GL started butchering SW the year after it was released
[02:08] <sproingie> 1978 star wars holiday special
[02:08] <sproingie> even GL is ashamed of that one
[02:09] <foodcoman> That special probably became the concept for SpaceBallz
[02:09] <foodcoman> hehe
[02:09] <GameCat> no way - the man has no shame - have you *seen* phantom menace??
[02:09] <Kortor> is it bad if, while booting, 'Setting sensors limit' fails?
[02:09] <sproingie> the only difference is that he had shame then
[02:10] <sirukin> the worst was the show about the family living with ewoks
[02:10] <sproingie> it bears noting that the best movie of the series, empire strikes back, was NOT directed by GL
[02:11] <GameCat> sirukin: glad I missed that
[02:11] <transgress> anyone know of a howto on setting up sensors in kubuntu?
[02:11] <sirukin> I never knew GL had aspergers
[02:11] <GameCat> transgress: isn't it the same as everywhere else? just run sensors-detect in a konsole?
[02:11] <sirukin> ASSBURGERS!
[02:12] <sirukin> I love /.
[02:12] <sproingie> and sirukin has tourettes :)
[02:12] <GameCat> transgress: unless it's a thinkpad
[02:12] <transgress> it's not a thinkpad... i didn't know it was that simple though since i've never bothered with it heh
[02:12] <crimsun> keyword: breezy
[02:13] <crimsun> you know full well it's going to be broken for another couple months
[02:13] <transgress> GameCat: what package is that in?  i don't have it
[02:13] <GameCat> ah right - don't ever do it on a thinkpad - the probing fucks up the firmware on some models, needing a factory reset to get booting again
[02:13] <foodcoman> Time to get the weekend started!  Kids to feed, wife to satisfy..... Oh the work never ends.  Be good people and.......Behave while I'm gone!
[02:13] <foodcoman> hehehe
[02:13] <sproingie> yep.  gotta downgrade now
[02:13] <foodcoman> sorry.
[02:13] <foodcoman> Later!
[02:14] <sirukin> haha
[02:14] <transgress> probably need to install lm-sensors huh?  heh
[02:14] <sproingie> i'll probably just ride it out.  i can still log in and run most of kde
[02:14] <GameCat> lm-sensors - Utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors
[02:14] <GameCat> transgress: pay attention :)
[02:14] <sproingie> stuff disappears off the panel randomly, but i can still run it :)
[02:17] <sproingie> i prefer to ride out the bleeding edge til i can't boot no more :)
[02:17] <transgress> ah well that was simple... guess i gotta reboot now
[02:18] <GameCat> transgress: why?
[02:18] <transgress> well i figure it's easier than hand modprobing those modules
[02:19] <GameCat> ah right
[02:19] <gdh> you ain't in redmond anymore :)
[02:20] <transgress> it's too true
[02:20] <transgress> but i'm still lazy nevertheless
[02:20] <transgress> actually it appears to have loaded them for me... so umm... what's something to test it with?
[02:20] <GameCat> I'm more of a "reboot only if you absolutely have to" type - I'd do the modprobes :)
[02:20] <GameCat> ksensors
[02:20] <transgress> i hate rebooting
[02:22] <transgress> okay well umm... there is nothing showing in ksensors...
[02:23] <GameCat> did you tell it where to read from?
[02:24] <transgress> well no... i haven't used sensors before... i only recently got linux on a system that has them
[02:24] <sproingie> i dont think the sensors have ever worked for me
[02:24] <GameCat> ah right - sensors-detect will have told you what it found, config ksensorts to read those values
[02:24] <GameCat> that always worked okay for me - beyond that, I'm no help ;/
[02:25] <transgress> k
[02:26] <transgress> i don't see a section for adding that stuff on ksensors...
[02:26] <transgress> just stuff about uptime, ram, cpu load
[02:26] <GameCat> no properties dialogs?
[02:27] <transgress> in the properties
[02:27] <transgress> i don't see much of crap
[02:28] <transgress> under system information i see CPU Speed, CPU State, RAM Used, Swap used, Up Time... and then in preferences i see update intervals
[02:28] <GameCat> hang on I'll install it
[02:28] <gdh> feh
[02:28] <gdh> so much for sensors-detect :)
[02:29] <transgress> well it detected my stuff... loaded modules for it... not sure of the problem... 
[02:30] <nmorse> hey, crimsun, can you help me with a sound problem?
[02:30] <bdmp> I am trying to set up wireless on an averatec 3200.  can someone give me some idea of how to do that?
[02:31] <transgress> bdmp: x86 or amd64?
[02:31] <GameCat> transgress: i can't get ksesnsors to display anything on here either
[02:31] <bdmp> x86
[02:31] <nmorse> My ali m5451 sound card has all of its modules loaded, but I still get no sound. I tried setting all the volumes with alsamixer, alsamixergui, and kmix
[02:31] <nmorse> Nothing seems to help
[02:32] <nmorse> Do you guys have the i2whatever sensors module installed?
[02:32] <transgress> is averatec 3200 the wireless card or computer?
[02:32] <transgress> nmorse: yes
[02:32] <bdmp> the comp it has a built in wireless card
[02:33] <bdmp> Gemtek (Broadcom) wireless lan driver/MSI Ralink Driver
[02:33] <transgress> bdmp: k... well ima give you a link for how to do it on amd64... follow those directions except for the steps that say something about changin x86 to amd64
[02:33] <bdmp> I have 3 guides of how to set it up on 3 different distros but I always get lost and mess stuff up so i thought I would ask
[02:34] <transgress> bdmp: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowtoUseNdiswrapperOnAmd64Ubuntu
[02:34] <bdmp> can you explain the concept of what I would do. just basically
[02:35] <GameCat> transgress:  I had to do the modprobes manually, then rerun ksensors and got a new config page with the sensors on - it works here - check your modprobes 
[02:35] <transgress> bdmp: that's worked for just about everyone i've sent to it... just don't change the files... should be as easy as make deb from the ndiswrapper source, install the .deb's, install the drivers for your wireless to ndiswrapper, modprobe ndiswrapper, and that's about it
[02:36] <transgress> GameCat: they are in lsmod
[02:36] <bdmp> ok
[02:36] <GameCat> transgress: fair enough - I wonder why they aren't showing then
[02:39] <transgress> FATAL: Error inserting i2c_isa (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/kernel/drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-isa.ko): Operation not permitted
[02:39] <transgress> that might be the problem
[02:39] <GameCat> sudo the modprobe
[02:39] <transgress> oh
[02:39] <transgress> yeah
[02:39] <transgress> shh
[02:39] <GameCat> hehe
[02:41] <transgress> still no temps
[02:41] <GameCat> I do that a lot - still getting used to not having a root shell
[02:42] <GameCat> in that case, I'm stumped m8, sorry
[02:42] <transgress> perhaps i should try smbus instead of isa
[02:42] <transgress> dunno if it will make a difference on working or not... but that's the only option i wasn't sure off
[02:42] <GameCat> maybe - i use it here
[02:42] <transgress> isa or smbus?
[02:43] <GameCat> smbus
[02:43] <nmorse> 'passwd root' works for making a root account and therefore root shells
[02:43] <GameCat> nmorse: yeah, but I'm trying to get used to the way (k)ubuntu does it - I like the idea behind the locking out of root
[02:44] <GameCat> also, sudo -i gives you a temp root shell
[02:44] <GameCat> still, i try to avoid it :)
[02:44] <transgress> that changed absolutely nothing
[02:44] <GameCat> transgress: bummer
[02:44] <transgress> yeah but who wants a root account when sudo is so awesome
[02:44] <GameCat> sorry I can't be more help
[02:44] <transgress> sudo -s
[02:44] <transgress> GameCat: it's all good
[02:45] <GameCat> transgress: want a screenshot of it working? :)
[02:45] <transgress> maybe that reboot will do it
[02:45] <transgress> lol sure
[02:45] <GameCat> aye
[02:45] <transgress> reboot got my video card kicking
[02:47] <bdmp> transgress: what information am I supposed to change in this command? apt-get install build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-`uname -r`
[02:48] <Tm_T> jauuu
[02:48] <Tm_T> bah, can't do even simple mysql stuff =)
[02:48] <bdmp> nevermind. I got it. I had kynaptic open
[02:49] <transgress> bdmp: you aren't
[02:49] <transgress> bdmp: except add an sudo in front of apt-get
[02:49] <transgress> oh
[02:49] <transgress> yeah that'll do it
[02:49] <bdmp> it wouldn't work but then i realized I had knyaptic open
[02:49] <bdmp> yeah
[02:50] <bdmp> on another topic, I have a mounted usb hard drive but i can't write of delete files. the permissions must be wrong.  How do I change them?
[02:51] <transgress> bdmp: what format is the usb drive?  ntfs?
[02:51] <bdmp> fat32
[02:51] <transgress> umm then yeah it's probably just the permissions
[02:51] <GameCat> look at /etc/fstab
[02:52] <bdmp> i was in the ubuntu forums and they said their usb devices automount, but mine don't so i had to oldfashioned mount it. does yours auto mount in kubuntu?
[02:53] <GameCat> transgress: you can also try looking for your sesnors with ksysguard - that is installed :)
[02:53] <GameCat> they show up in there for me here
[02:53] <gdh> Yeh... when I plug a USB key in, an icon appears on the desktop
[02:53] <gdh> same with CD-ROMs
[02:53] <bdmp> no way
[02:53] <bdmp> not me 
[02:53] <bdmp> what can I do?
[02:53] <GameCat> bdmp: same here, pops up an icon
[02:53] <bdmp> damn
[02:54] <bdmp> maybe before i start messing with permissions I should get that fixed
[02:55] <bdmp> i installed mandriva LE2005 and that wouldn't even see my usb
[02:56] <bdmp> so i tried kubuntu. so far Ilike this much better.
[03:01] <GameCat> transgress: also, try "sensors" in a konsole
[03:01] <transgress> transgress@freebox:~$ sensors
[03:01] <transgress> No sensors found!
[03:01] <KaiL> did you ever run "sensors-detect"?
[03:01] <KaiL> (as root)
[03:02] <transgress> yes
[03:02] <transgress> and it detected them
[03:02] <GameCat> most odd
[03:02] <transgress> i actually still have that shell open if you'd like to see in #flood or something...
[03:02] <KaiL> Socket A with VIA KT133 or so? ;)
[03:03] <transgress> http://pastebin.com/283987
[03:03] <kanuha> would this command bind control-alt-s to a program?  bind C-M-s /usr/bin/program name
[03:03] <bdmp> transgress: the faq says to download the source and change file names to amd64 from 1386, but I have i386 and there is a deb on the page. Can i just use the deb?
[03:03] <transgress> bdmp: i'd still try the source... it seems to work better... 
[03:03] <transgress> bdmp: but it's ultimately up to you
[03:04] <bdmp> so download the source. make it a deb and install it?
[03:04] <KaiL> transgress: oh, you let it wrote the modules into /etc/modules?
[03:04] <transgress> KaiL: yes
[03:04] <KaiL> and did you load them manually too?
[03:04] <transgress> yeah, even though they were already loaded in lsmod i tried modprobing them anyway
[03:07] <KaiL> # no driver for Winbond W83792D yet
[03:07] <KaiL> smbus-arp
[03:07] <KaiL> it87
[03:07] <KaiL> ...nForce3 
[03:08] <KaiL> den smbus-arp gibt's hier irgendwie nicht
[03:08] <KaiL> it87 reicht aber
[03:08] <transgress> eh to this point i've done fine w/o them... guess i'll just wait and figure this out later
[03:09] <GameCat> annoying though
[03:09] <KaiL> uh, lang=EN ;)
[03:09] <KaiL> smbus-arp doesn't exist, but that doesn't seam to be important, as I can get the interesting information from it87
[03:09] <gdh> wow I never knew that fanspeed/temp sensor setup was so easy =)
[03:10] <gdh> mind, I have an old P3 mobo.
[03:10] <KaiL> gdh: it is since kernel 2.6, as all those modules are in the kernel now  
[03:10] <KaiL> before you needed to compile them
[03:10] <gdh> KaiL: I think that's the pain I remember
[03:10] <KaiL> and with 2.2 you even needed to compile i2c
[03:11] <KaiL> only problem: to find out, what is the CPU temp sensor
[03:11] <bdmp> transgress: the next step says "Change the i386 to amd64 in all of them. After that go back to the ndiswrapper-version directory and make deb, and then dpkg -i ndiswrapper*amd64.deb." how do I make deb?
[03:11] <KaiL> bdmp: ndiswrapper on amd64 is useless afair
[03:12] <bdmp> i don't have amd64
[03:12] <transgress> bdmp: remember i said to skip all the steps that said to cahnge to amd64
[03:12] <KaiL> or are there now win64 drivers? ;)
[03:12] <transgress> KaiL: no it isn't... mine is running fine
[03:12] <bdmp> i didn't chage the file names
[03:12] <transgress> bdmp: then make deb
[03:12] <transgress> and dpkg -i ndiswrapper*.deb
[03:12] <bdmp> i just left that in as context so you could tell where i was
[03:12] <KaiL> transgress: you had the success to find a win64 driver?
[03:13] <transgress> KaiL: yeah... w/o a bit of trouble
[03:13] <KaiL> or does it use the 32bit ones?
[03:13] <transgress> hold
[03:13] <bdmp> how do I make deb, is  what i want to ask?
[03:13] <transgress> KaiL: http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/drivers.php <-- 64bit
[03:14] <transgress> bdmp: "make deb"
[03:14] <bdmp> make deb and then the file name?
[03:14] <transgress> nope
[03:14] <transgress> just make deb
[03:15] <bdmp> I am really new at this. I don't get it. in the command line type make deb with no file name?
[03:15] <transgress> yes
[03:15] <transgress> yes
[03:15] <transgress> yes
[03:15] <GameCat> make deb
[03:15] <GameCat> like that 
[03:16] <bdmp> I got "bdmp@chibi:~$ make deb
[03:16] <bdmp> make: *** No rule to make target `deb'.  Stop.
[03:16] <bdmp> "
[03:16] <transgress> bdmp: what is your pwd?
[03:16] <transgress> GameCat: 10 to 1 odds that he is in the wrong directory
[03:16] <bdmp> yeah I am
[03:17] <bdmp> pwd?
[03:17] <transgress> hehe
[03:17] <transgress> it's a command... 
[03:17] <gdh> pwd = current directory
[03:17] <gdh> type 'pwd' :)
[03:17] <gdh> don't paste us your login password, etc.
[03:17] <bdmp> I untared with ark cuz i don't know how to do it in the command line
[03:17] <transgress> bdmp: just do a cd .. and i think it will put you in the right dir
[03:17] <transgress> as long as it is untared and has a directory it should be fine
[03:19] <bdmp> got it. thanks
[03:20] <bdmp> it made two debs. is that normal?
[03:21] <bdmp> utils and moduals
[03:21] <transgress> yes
[03:21] <bdmp> ok
[03:21] <transgress> that's why you put the * in there
[03:22] <transgress> dpkg -i ndiswrapper*.deb will take care of it
[03:22] <bdmp> ok so i install both
[03:22] <bdmp> oh
[03:22] <transgress> yeah but unless i'm forgetting it will take care of both of them if you use the wildcard
[03:24] <transgress> wow... some people amaze me... if you smoke pot they think you'll do anything... like methadone... i'm like wtf... i don't even take tylenol
[03:24] <gdh> ... and now Bob with the weather....
[03:25] <transgress> ha
[03:25] <transgress> that line makes me think of bill hicks
[03:25] <GameCat> ah, sweet departed bill
[03:25] <gdh> Bill Hicks is an overrated twat.
[03:25] <transgress> gdh: you wanna die tonight?
[03:25] <gdh> Ooh I brought out the Klingon in you :)
[03:26] <gdh> Good lad, yourself :)
[03:26] <GameCat> gdh: he who laughs last thinks slowest :)
[03:26] <gdh> I don't understand why most geeks worship his rattlings on smoking and sex like they're some gospel..
[03:26] <transgress> heh
[03:26] <bdmp> so in the faq the guy says "I got the drivers for the broadcom 4360 that came in my HP Pavilion from linuxant  http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/drivers.php they probably have the drivers you need." How do I know which driver I need?
[03:26] <transgress> i like his views of what was going on in the world...
[03:27] <transgress> he talked about a lot more than sex and smoking... in fact those were not even his biggest bits
[03:27] <transgress> i personally liked his ramblings on big bush
[03:27] <gdh> sure his stand-up's made me laugh, but he seems to have attracted a near-deity status
[03:27] <KaiL> bdmp: broadcom id boradcom
[03:27] <KaiL> ei
[03:27] <bdmp> thanks
[03:27] <KaiL> bdmp: broadcom is boradcom
[03:28] <transgress> lol
[03:28] <bdmp> are you all talking about bill hicks?
[03:28] <gdh> Or maybe I'm just trolling because I'm bored =)
[03:28] <transgress> i kind of find that hicks had some of that lenny bruce in him... he would forget the stand up at times on just go off on what was wrong with the world... and that was entertaining... not always funny, but entertaining
[03:29] <gdh> true, a heartfelt unscripted rant on TV is always great to watch
[03:29] <gdh> no matter who it's from or what the subject
[03:29] <transgress> the best thing i ever saw of him was he was doing one of the opening acts... and the crowd kept taunting him... so he just got into this battle of mocking the audience... and the other comics like gave up their time so he could keep going.
[03:30] <GameCat> I think the thing that makes him fascinating to watch for me is the way that you can *see* that the bad things in the world are causing him pain, and he's doing all he can to make light of it
[03:30] <GameCat> gives the performances a resonance I've never seen in another comic
[03:31] <transgress> you just don't see that vigor a lot anymore... in fact, when jon stewart was on crossfire and called tucker carlson a dick... that was one of the closest things i've seen in a while...
[03:31] <gdh> he's not exactly the Sonny & Cher Show, that's for sure.
[03:31] <GameCat> hehe
[03:31] <transgress> GameCat: ever see lenny bruce stuff?
[03:31] <GameCat> transgress: not that i know of
[03:31] <transgress> GameCat: you should check him out... another great dead comedian... older than hicks by far
[03:32] <GameCat> transgress: yeah, I know of him, just never had the chance to hear any
[03:32] <transgress> like... i like george carlin a lot... and you can tell he puts heart into what he says, but you don't really see him get angry most of the time... hicks got angry... and i like that... anger can show true caring sometimes
[03:33] <GameCat> indeed
[03:33] <gdh> K what's the 'group feeling' on Denis Leary? Pale modern copy of Bill hicks?
[03:34] <GameCat> transgress: bill may have been a comic, and he may have been wrong about the things he said, but I have to respect him for standing up and trying to do something about it
[03:34] <GameCat> gdh: personally, I'm not a fan
[03:34] <transgress> eh i'm not actually as big of a fan of him... i wouldn't really even call him a copy... he likes to act angry... and he does seem to focus more on sex and smoking jokes heh...
[03:34] <GameCat> his heart isn't in it
[03:35] <gdh> :) he does seem to spread himself around between doing comedy songs, acting and standup
[03:35] <transgress> i think more of a modern day hicks would be david cross
[03:35] <transgress> and i just love david cross... he's made me laugh to tears
[03:36] <transgress> GameCat: you ever listened to any of his standup?
[03:36] <bdmp> That link that the guy gives in the faq is for amd64 cuz its a faq for amd64 where can i get the i386 one? I read in a different faq where someone used my same comp with a different distro. They said they used the windows drivers from the comps company website. Should I do that or is there some generic driver I should use?
[03:36] <bdmp> i love david cross too
[03:36] <GameCat> transgress: never even heard of him - but I'm taking notes :)
[03:37] <bdmp> watch that dvd "let america laugh"
[03:37] <transgress> bdmp: that site most likely has the driver from the manufacturers site... linuxant that is... but yeah you can go to that site and get the driver if you really want
[03:37] <transgress> actaully only watch "let america laugh" after you listen to "shut up you fucking baby" cd
[03:37] <bdmp> so I want the windows drivers for my specific wireless card?
[03:37] <GameCat> http://www.geekfantasies.com/
[03:37] <transgress> because the dvd is about him touring for that cd, but it doesn't have a lot of the jokes
[03:38] <transgress> bdmp: yes.  that's what ndiswrapper does... it wraps around the windows driver and converts the calls to linux stuff... sort of
[03:38] <bdmp> "shut up you fucking baby" is a so damn funny 
[03:39] <bdmp> thanks
[03:39] <transgress> GameCat: ever see arrested development?  or Scary movie 2? 
[03:39] <bdmp> is the driver a .exe file? 
[03:39] <bdmp> that's what i got from the company site
[03:39] <transgress> bleh
[03:39] <gdh> the driver will be an .inf with some .sys I expect
[03:39] <transgress> you have a pavilion huh?
[03:39] <gdh> unzip it /unpack it
[03:40] <bdmp> averatec 3200
[03:40] <transgress> oh
[03:40] <transgress> umm... yeah well those suck... if unzip won't unzip it then you gotta use wine to run it or find it somewhere else
[03:40] <bdmp> unzip a .exe file
[03:40] <bdmp> ok
[03:40] <gdh> yes, many are self-extracting ZIPs
[03:40] <transgress> basically they tossed the .inf and .sys files into a self extracting executable OR an installer
[03:41] <gdh> using linux 'unzip' will often work
[03:41] <bdmp> cool thanks
[03:41] <transgress> but if it's the installer, then you can use wine to run it and take it out
[03:41] <transgress> or if you hate wine like me, then you will find the drivers elsewhere
[03:41] <gdh> at worst, you'll need to find a windows box to extract the files to
[03:41] <bdmp> is wine in kubuntu from the start?
[03:41] <transgress> no
[03:41] <gdh> no
[03:42] <transgress> haha david cross was the voice of a marine on halo 2
[03:43] <transgress> bdmp: ever watch arrested development?
[03:43] <GameCat> transgress: sorry, was geting munchies - never seen either
[03:53] <transgress> does updating the repo's for kubuntu work on upgrading the system?  say when breezy is released, if i just changed my repo's to breezy from hoary will that bork my system or work?
[03:54] <jakepw> so breezy is broken i take it, what are the main issues with it?
[03:54] <transgress> it's unstable
[03:54] <jakepw> word
[03:54] <transgress> *rimshot*
[03:55] <jakepw> hehe
[03:55] <jakepw> i just stumbled accross ubuntu, been a gentoo user for a while
[03:55] <jakepw> compiling takes too long hehe
[03:55] <transgress> i was using gentoo before ubuntu
[03:55] <transgress> didn't mind compiling
[03:55] <jakepw> yeah well my main box was a 500mhz p3 at the time
[03:55] <transgress> but when i borked my system by going to ~x86 on it, i didn't feel like doing it all again
[03:55] <jakepw> so it took ages, i still use it as a server os
[03:56] <transgress> heh
[03:56] <jakepw> yeah see
[03:56] <jakepw> i got a new computer
[03:56] <jakepw> and was like shit, do i want to build this os from scratch again or use my laptop
[03:56] <simple_> gah
[03:56] <jakepw> opted for the use, and im quite impressed
[03:57] <simple_> okay, fresh installed kubuntu again, and tada..everything is fine, driver installed, modprobe ndiswrapper works, wlan0 is there
[03:57] <transgress> lol\
[03:57] <transgress> you reinstalled for ndiswrapper?
[03:57] <simple_> nope
[03:57] <simple_> just used what it came with
[03:57] <gdh> people are fantastic =)
[03:57] <simple_> but now i can't.. like configure the network right
[03:57] <bdmp> ok, I have to extract the .exe files to get the drivers. Apparently there is a slight difference with the ones that are usually used for my series of comp and my exact model.  Can someone tell me how to extract a .exe file
[03:58] <gdh> bdmp: see above.
[03:58] <gdh> unzip or win
[03:58] <gdh> wine
[03:58] <simple_> like i can't set up essid and stuff
[03:58] <simple_> i guess
[03:58] <simple_> idk :/
[03:58] <gdh> simple_: 'iwconfig' ?
[03:58] <transgress> man iwconfig
[03:58] <gdh> or probably kwifimanager ?
[03:58] <simple_> yes
[03:59] <bdmp> unzip is a command line program?
[03:59] <gdh> it is, yes.
[03:59] <transgress> yes
[03:59] <gdh> you'll probably need to apt-get install it
[04:00] <bdmp> what is the syntax of the command I would use?
[04:00] <jakepw> rtfm
[04:00] <gdh> come on, bdmp..
[04:00] <gdh> try :)
[04:01] <Tm_T> =)
[04:01] <bdmp> when i assume something i mess up my comp
[04:01] <transgress> in help channels we do not hold hands... we point you in the right direction then give you a swift kick in the ass toward the goal
[04:01] <bdmp> baby steps
[04:01] <simple_> wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:off/any
[04:01] <simple_>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:00
[04:01] <simple_>           Bit Rate:54 Mb/s   Tx-Power:16 dBm
[04:01] <simple_>           RTS thr:2347 B   Fragment thr:2346 B
[04:01] <simple_>           Power Management:off
[04:01] <simple_>           Link Quality:100/100  Signal level:-10 dBm  Noise level:-256 dBm
[04:01] <simple_>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[04:01] <simple_>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[04:01] <simple_> ..
[04:01] <Tm_T> flooood
[04:01] <simple_> how can i change all that?
[04:01] <simple_> mainly ESSID:linksys
[04:01] <simple_> i tried what was it sudo iwconfig wlan0 linksys
[04:01] <transgress> simple_: YOU MOTHERFUCKER it's called #flood
[04:01] <bdmp> yeah and then I get a faq that is for a differnt kind of comp and i end up crying
[04:01] <simple_> four lines ins' a flood
[04:01] <simple_> isn't*
[04:01] <Tm_T> =)
[04:01] <transgress> that was flood
[04:01] <simple_>  /tear
[04:02] <transgress> 9 lines are flood
[04:02] <transgress> is
[04:02] <transgress> are
[04:02] <transgress> umm fuck it
[04:02] <simple_> is a
[04:02] <simple_> probably
[04:03] <simple_> over the whole flood thing, any help on how to configure that?
[04:03] <transgress> try kwifimanager
[04:03] <simple_> that's like the graphical thing that shows the link signal and stuff?
[04:03] <gdh> also lets you set parameteres
[04:03] <simple_> didn't see much to do in there except "detect" or something, and it comes back with nothing
[04:03] <gdh> like essid /link speed etc.
[04:03] <simple_> i saw nowhere to set them :/
[04:04] <transgress> simple_: run as root methinks
[04:04] <gdh> no button for 'administrator mode' ?
[04:04] <simple_> nope
[04:04] <simple_> well, i didn't see one
[04:04] <transgress> sudo kwifimanager
[04:04] <simple_> i like the way trangress thinks though, i'll try it
[04:04] <gdh> simple_: settings -> configuration editor
[04:05] <jakepw> lol
[04:05] <jakepw> damn im hungry now that you mention it
[04:05] <simple_> oh and everytime i reboot i have to do modprobe ndiswrapper for it to add the wlan0
[04:05] <simple_> i'd rather not do that everytime
[04:05] <jakepw> then add it to autoload
[04:06] <transgress> simple_: add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules
[04:06] <jakepw> indeed
[04:06] <GameCat> vegans don't exist, they are an urban legend
[04:07] <jakepw> i used to be vegan, couldnt hang
[04:07] <transgress> vegetarian since 14
[04:07] <transgress> vegan for a year
[04:07] <jakepw> thats awesome
[04:07] <transgress> mostly raw fruits and veges on top of that
[04:07] <jakepw> im goin back to vedge actually
[04:07] <transgress> haven't been sick since
[04:08] <jakepw> its the way to go now days for sure
[04:08] <transgress> and i was one sick bastard before
[04:08] <transgress> on that note... i really wish my package from rawfood.com would come in tomorrow
[04:08] <jakepw> yeah you gotta get the protein or youll get weak, thats what happened to me
[04:08] <gdh> That could be just due to shit additives + colourings in meat dishes than any problem with eating meat :|
[04:09] <jakepw> i just cant trust the source of meat anymore
[04:09] <transgress> jakepw: probably not... it takes an act of god to be protein deficient actually
[04:13] <GameCat> time I wasn't here, night all
[04:13] <GameCat> well, it's night here anyway - 3:13 am in fact
[04:16] <shiv> I am still not able to install this http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23981
[04:16] <shiv> anybody here to help plz?
[04:19] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:19] <Tm_T> ok, you downloaded that package?
[04:20] <Tm_T> save it into your homedir
[04:20] <shiv> ok
[04:20] <shiv> done
[04:20] <Tm_T> ok, then uncompress it
[04:21] <shiv> done
[04:21] <Tm_T> now, go into that dir in Konsole
[04:22] <shiv> ok
[04:23] <Tm_T> then enter those lines from that web page
[04:23] <Tm_T> copy both lines and just paste 'em into konsole
[04:24] <Tm_T> any questions?
[04:25] <shiv> I thought I had to unzip the package to this directory /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus
[04:26] <Tm_T> :)
[04:26] <shiv> what?
[04:26] <Tm_T> nothing, it works now?
[04:26] <shiv> am i not suppose to do that?
[04:26] <Tm_T> well, we actually sort of done it
[04:26] <kkathman> evening all:
[04:26] <Tm_T> but with one step between
[04:27] <Tm_T> kkathman <3
[04:27] <kkathman> lol
[04:27] <Tm_T> haha
[04:27] <Tm_T> you drunken sailor
[04:27] <kkathman> yeah like one margarita is gonna do that :)
[04:28] <kkathman> its was big, but not THAT big
[04:28] <Tm_T> kkathman: "one" is 1-99 ;p
[04:28] <shiv> this is what my command looks like $ /home/shiv/Desktop/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2/$ sudo cp kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop/usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus
[04:28] <shiv> I don't think its right
[04:28] <kkathman> well yah its like a double for sure :)
[04:28] <Tm_T> shiv: heh
[04:29] <shiv> i am new to this command line
[04:29] <shiv> I hae no clue
[04:29] <Tm_T> shiv: sudo cp kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop
[04:29] <Tm_T> try that one
[04:30] <Tm_T> ok?
[04:30] <shiv> cp: cannot stat `kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop': No such file or directory
[04:30] <shiv> :(
[04:30] <shiv> I am struggling with this since 2 hours
[04:30] <Tm_T> shiv: hmm, first "cd ~/desktop"
[04:30] <Tm_T> no
[04:31] <Tm_T> where you have those files?
[04:31] <shiv> hiv@ubuntu:~$ cd ~/desktop
[04:31] <shiv> bash: cd: /home/shiv/desktop: No such file or directory
[04:31] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$
[04:31] <shiv> ??
[04:31] <Tm_T> yes I saw that coming
[04:31] <kkathman> Tm_T how did it go with Koffice ?
[04:31] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, as far as I tested, it's ok
[04:32] <kkathman> better than Open Office
[04:32] <Tm_T> shiv: where you extracted that package?
[04:32] <kkathman> ??
[04:32] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe
[04:32] <shiv> on the desktop
[04:32] <Tm_T> I don't really use office stuff =)
[04:32] <kkathman> you try Kexi and Krita?
[04:32] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, both ok
[04:32] <Tm_T> shiv: extract them into your home dir
[04:32] <shiv> and I also copied in the usr/share/apps/konqi folder
[04:33] <shiv> ok
[04:33] <kkathman> so did you apt-get them or download them from the kde site?
[04:33] <Tm_T> kkathman: I compiled from svn =)
[04:33] <Tm_T> whole Koffice
[04:33] <kkathman> ahh ok
[04:33] <kkathman> kewl
[04:33] <shiv> u mean /home and not /home/shiv
[04:33] <kkathman> where'd you get it
[04:33] <Tm_T> shiv: I mean /home/shiv
[04:34] <shiv> ok
[04:35] <Tm_T> kkathman: http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html
[04:35] <shiv> done
[04:35] <Tm_T> shiv: now, in Konsole, "cd ~"
[04:36] <Tm_T> and then try again that sudo cp I gave
[04:37] <smouche> hey kkathman, Tm_T, how are you/
[04:37] <smouche> ?
[04:37] <Tm_T> smouche <3
[04:37] <shiv> is this how it should look? shiv@ubuntu:~$ cd ~
[04:37] <Tm_T> shiv: yes
[04:37] <Tm_T> ...
[04:37] <Tm_T> =)
[04:38] <Tm_T> just to be sure
[04:38] <shiv> but nothing happens after that
[04:38] <smouche> Tm_T, heh heh, I've been wanting to thank you for the tip about figlet -- I thought you were messing with me
[04:38] <shiv> when i hit enter
[04:38] <smouche> it's pretty cool!
[04:38] <Tm_T> shiv: nothing meant to happen
[04:38] <smouche> ;-)
[04:38] <shiv> oh ok
[04:38] <Tm_T> smouche: =)
[04:38] <shiv> let me see then
[04:38] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$ cd ~
[04:38] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$ sudo cp kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop
[04:38] <shiv> cp: cannot stat `kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop': No such file or directory
[04:38] <shiv> :(
[04:39] <Tm_T> oh sorry
[04:39] <kkathman> I cant figure that all out Tm_T :)
[04:39] <Tm_T> kkathman: I explain it to you in a moment
[04:40] <Tm_T> shiv: is it in two lines?
[04:40] <shiv> no
[04:40] <Tm_T> ok
[04:41] <shiv> i single line
[04:41] <Tm_T> "sudo cp kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus"
[04:41] <shiv> just what i copied and pasted'
[04:41] <Tm_T> my mistake
[04:41] <shiv> same answer
[04:43] <Tm_T> hmm, then "cd kubuntu-servicemenu" and hit tab before enter
[04:44] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$ cd kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2
[04:44] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2$
[04:44] <Tm_T> yes
[04:44] <Tm_T> and NOW do that copy thing :)
[04:44] <Tm_T> phew
[04:45] <bdmp> how do i tell if KWifiManager recognizes my card? I installed and everything seemed to go well.  I am moving today and my newplace has wireless but where I am now doesn't. Is there a way to tell if the card is recognized?
[04:45] <bdmp> with out a wireless connection?
[04:46] <Tm_T> shiv: ehm
[04:46] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2$ sudo cp kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus
[04:46] <shiv> cp: cannot stat `kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop': No such file or directory
[04:46] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2$
[04:46] <Tm_T> ?
[04:46] <Tm_T> aha!
[04:46] <kkathman> evenin Tezkah 
[04:47] <Tm_T> shiv: type ls
[04:47] <Tezkah> hey kkathman, how's things?
[04:47] <Tm_T> kkathman: are you ready to rumble?
[04:48] <kkathman> good Tezkah :)
[04:48] <kkathman> Tm_T yes
[04:48] <kkathman> lets doit
[04:48] <shiv> ~/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2$ ls
[04:48] <shiv> kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2
[04:48] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2$
[04:48] <Tezkah> I installed GNOME
[04:48] <Tezkah> its good to have a backup, I guess
[04:48] <Tm_T> shiv: so copy that then
[04:49] <Tm_T> ...?
[04:49] <kkathman> Tezkah:  but it is :)
[04:49] <Tm_T> shiv: ok, "cd kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2" =)
[04:49] <Tezkah> I cant get XFCE to work though
[04:49] <Tm_T> kkathman: ok, make new dir, let's say, ~/kde-svn
[04:50] <shiv> done
[04:50] <Tm_T> shiv: hmm, type ls
[04:50] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2$ ls
[04:50] <shiv> kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop  kubuntu-servicemenu.sh
[04:50] <shiv> one line
[04:50] <Tm_T> heh
[04:50] <Tm_T> yes
[04:51] <Tm_T> well, do that sudo cp thing now :p
[04:51] <Tm_T> shiv: and don't try dcc chat with me
[04:52] <Tm_T> ;)
[04:52] <Tm_T> kkathman: you're still alive?
[04:52] <Tezkah> has anyone tried installing XFCE on a kubuntu install?
[04:52] <Tm_T> Tezkah: hmm, maybe?
[04:52] <Tezkah> see, it installed fine
[04:53] <Tezkah> but when I log into it via KDM
[04:53] <Tm_T> but?
[04:53] <Tezkah> nothing shows up
[04:53] <Tezkah> the panel does not load
[04:53] <shiv> should I write that command after this line shiv@ubuntu:~/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2$
[04:53] <Tezkah> and I can't open any of the settings programs
[04:53] <Tm_T> shiv: yes
[04:53] <Tezkah> they just cause the screen to redraw
[04:53] <Tm_T> Tezkah: ehm, strange...
[04:53] <Tezkah> yeah, very strange
[04:54] <Tezkah> I'm trying to reinstall the xfce4 package
[04:54] <Tm_T> :)
[04:54] <transgress> Tezkah: you try running xfce w/o kdm"?
[04:54] <Tm_T> or stick with KDE ;)
[04:54] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2$ $ sudo cp kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus
[04:54] <shiv> bash: $: command not found
[04:54] <kkathman> yep Im  here Tm_T :)
[04:54] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2$
[04:54] <Tezkah> haha, yeah, sticking with KDE is the other option
[04:54] <Tezkah> peovvly qill
[04:54] <Tezkah> probably will
[04:54] <transgress> until ubuntu i always used blackbox
[04:54] <transgress> but now i use gnome on my lappy and kde on my desk
[04:55] <kkathman> Tezkah: only reason to run XFCE is if your resources are low
[04:55] <Tm_T> shiv: now I really don't know what you've done =)
[04:55] <shiv> ;(
[04:55] <Tm_T> kkathman: ok, go into that dir you just made
[04:55] <shiv> plz don't say that
[04:56] <Tm_T> shiv: I'll help ya, just wait a minute
[04:56] <transgress> oh don't worry... you can only destroy things beyond repair to a certain point
[04:56] <Tm_T> kkathman: and in there, run  "svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/koffice"
[04:57] <transgress> hey what's a program that will rip cd's to ogg or flac?
[04:57] <kkathman> what directory Tm_T :)
[04:57] <kkathman> ok hold on I gotta go back and catch up
[04:57] <bdmp> I am in stalling wireless and the faq told me i needed 2 files .sys and .inf. Then it says to run "sudo ndiswrapper -i ''driver''.inf (where ''driver'' is the driver's name)." But it doesn't say what to do with the other file.  Am I supposed to run that command with both files?
[04:58] <Tm_T> kkathman: =)
[04:58] <kkathman> ok I made the directory, so I run that command up there?
[04:58] <Tm_T> yes
[04:58] <transgress> bdmp: you just make sure it is there
[04:59] <transgress> bdmp: in the same dir as the other file... 
[04:59] <Tm_T> kkathman: and you notice that you don't have svn, right?
[04:59] <bdmp> it is but its on the desktop. is that ok?
[04:59] <kkathman> no I dont that I know of
[04:59] <transgress> bdmp: it's just fine
[05:00] <transgress> svn is for the bleeding edge right?
[05:01] <bdmp> ok the faq says"do 'sudo ndiswrapper -m' if this goes through you should be able to go into System-Administration-Networking in the gnome menu (i'd imagine kwifimanager or whatever can do it in kde, and i'd appreciate confirmation on that) and see the wireless card. If it did not you may need to check the driver." it seems fine but KiwifiManager doesn't see it. I don't think.
[05:01] <kkathman> says svn not a valid command
[05:01] <Tm_T> kkathman: so apt-get svn then
[05:02] <kkathman> ok
[05:02] <transgress> bdmp: ndiswrapper -l ... does that give any errors?
[05:02] <transgress> bdmp: and did you sudo modprobe ndiswrapper already?
[05:02] <bdmp> bcmwl5a driver present, hardware present
[05:02] <kkathman> hmm cant find svn :)
[05:02] <kkathman> in a different repos?
[05:03] <transgress> svn is subversion isn't it?
[05:03] <bdmp> actually I think i missed that command
[05:03] <transgress> bdmp:  do that real quick like
[05:03] <bdmp> if i do it now will it mess anything up
[05:04] <transgress> no
[05:04] <bdmp> thanks. I am stupid
[05:04] <transgress> just do it, then run sudo ndiswrapper -m again
[05:04] <bdmp> it works!
[05:04] <Tm_T> kkathman: try search it, apt-cache search svn
[05:04] <transgress> np
[05:04] <bdmp> Wooo hooo!
[05:04] <kkathman> Tm_T I did .. lots of different opportunities there
[05:05] <transgress> what is svn?
[05:05] <Tm_T> kkathman: subversion-tools ?
[05:05] <transgress> it is
[05:05] <transgress> i was right
[05:05] <transgress> bleh
[05:05] <transgress> made me feel dumb
[05:06] <Tm_T> :)
[05:08] <kkathman> Not there
[05:08] <kkathman> dunno 
[05:08] <kkathman> i could start dl things but I dont need the bloat
[05:09] <transgress> subversion-tools aren't there?
[05:09] <Tm_T> what?
[05:09] <Tm_T> then apt-get install subversion
[05:09] <Tm_T> that'll do it I think
[05:09] <kkathman> found it
[05:09] <kkathman> hold
[05:10] <kkathman> ok its installing koffice now
[05:10] <Tm_T> eh?
[05:11] <Tm_T> no, subversion
[05:11] <Tm_T> ah, now I got it
[05:11] <Tm_T> it just downloads it ;)
[05:12] <kkathman> wow big download
[05:12] <kkathman> so what next? compile?
[05:12] <transgress> why are you getting koffice?
[05:12] <kkathman> why not?
[05:12] <transgress> it's still in alpha isn't it?
[05:12] <kkathman> somthin to do
[05:12] <transgress> ah okay
[05:12] <kkathman> its Friday night, no sex in sight
[05:12] <Tm_T> transgress: beta and so on
[05:13] <nmorse> I'm attempting to figure out how to modify a debian build ruleset to switch versions
[05:13] <transgress> ah okay
[05:13] <Tm_T> kkathman: ok, what's last output?
[05:14] <Tm_T> (if it's ready)
[05:14] <kkathman> still installing..on kexi now
[05:14] <transgress> nmorse: like upgrade your entire version?
[05:14] <nmorse> Yeah, like build a new gaim package
[05:14] <Tm_T> kkathman: downloading, you mean ;)
[05:14] <transgress> nmorse: oh just one package?
[05:14] <kkathman> downloading then
[05:14] <kkathman> doc now
[05:15] <nmorse> Just one package right now
[05:15] <nmorse> Then I try monodevelop next
[05:15] <transgress> nmorse: just grab the src.deb from like debian sid or breezy and try compiling it yourself...
[05:16] <nmorse> Hmm, good idea
[05:16] <shiv>  and also I want a trash can on my desktop
[05:17] <nmorse> A trash can on the desktop would be nice
[05:17] <nmorse> The trash.desktop file makes one appear in GNOME after KDE is installed though
[05:18] <kkathman> still going Tm_T 
[05:18] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, it's slow =)
[05:18] <Tm_T> kkathman: and I downloaded some KDE base stuff too, took all evening =)
[05:19] <Tm_T> kkathman: and compiling... but it's worth of it
[05:25] <kkathman> Tm_T Its on kivio now...whats that?
[05:25] <nmorse> breezy doesn't have a new gaim in it yet
[05:26] <kkathman> nmorse you can download and compile it from sourceforge
[05:26] <Tm_T> kkathman: kivio? it's ...
[05:27] <Tm_T> kkathman: koffice.kde.org ;p
[05:28] <nmorse> No you can't, not if you want to make a .deb of it
[05:28] <Tm_T> nmorse: you can hold gaim and compile it yourself
[05:28] <Tm_T> I done it so
[05:28] <kkathman> Tm_T ok I have errors after all that :(
[05:28] <nmorse> I'm trying to make a .deb though
[05:29] <Tm_T> kkathman: erors?
[05:29] <Tm_T> kkathman: shoot me
[05:29] <kkathman> Fetching external item into 'koffice/admin'
[05:29] <kkathman> Error validating server certificate for 'https://svn.kde.org:443':
[05:29] <kkathman>  - The certificate is not issued by a trusted authority. Use the
[05:29] <kkathman>    fingerprint to validate the certificate manually!
[05:29] <kkathman> Certificate information:
[05:29] <Tm_T> ?
[05:29] <kkathman>  - Hostname: svn.kde.org
[05:29] <kkathman>  - Valid: from May 11 10:08:21 2005 GMT until May  9 10:08:21 2015 GMT
[05:29] <kkathman>  - Issuer: SVN, KDE e.V., Nuernberg, Bavaria, DE
[05:29] <kkathman>  - Fingerprint: e1:e6:41:96:3c:eb:ae:78:e2:73:0d:a2:32:2f:6b:21:13:bf:3d:0f
[05:29] <kkathman> (R)eject, accept (t)emporarily or accept (p)ermanently?         
[05:29] <Tm_T> p
[05:29] <Tm_T> that's not really error :)
[05:29] <kkathman> well what do I do now?
[05:30] <Tm_T> p
[05:30] <kkathman> ?
[05:30] <Tm_T> accept (p)ermanently
[05:30] <Tm_T> so p
[05:31] <kkathman> ok
[05:31] <Tm_T> ;p
[05:31] <Tm_T> no, you're not slow =)
[05:31] <kkathman> Checked out external at revision 413557.
[05:31] <kkathman> Checked out revision 413213.
[05:31] <kkathman> kkathman@denise:~/kde-svn$             
[05:31] <Kortor> Does anyone know if theres any drivers better than ATI's drivers? like open source ones or something? i really wanna play some graphical games... :(
[05:32] <kkathman> done
[05:32] <Tm_T> kkathman: ok, "cd koffice"
[05:32] <nmorse> On a related note, is the Radeon IGP 320M supported by fglrx?
[05:32] <kkathman> k
[05:32] <kkathman> done
[05:32] <Tm_T> kkathman: "make -f Makefile.cvs"
[05:33] <Tm_T> kkathman: "./configure --enable-debug=full --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`"
[05:33] <kkathman> kkathman@denise:~/kde-svn/koffice$ make -f Makefile.cvs
[05:33] <kkathman> This Makefile is only for the CVS repository
[05:33] <kkathman> This will be deleted before making the distribution
[05:34] <kkathman> ./admin/cvs.sh: line 33: autoconf: command not found
[05:34] <bdmp> Any ideas on how to fix an non-functioning usb auto-mount?
[05:34] <kkathman> *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!.
[05:34] <kkathman> *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
[05:34] <Tm_T> eh
[05:34] <kkathman> make[1] : *** [cvs]  Error 1
[05:34] <kkathman> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[05:34] <kkathman> kkathman@denise:~/kde-svn/koffice$ 
[05:34] <kkathman> sorry the makfile didnt work
[05:34] <Tm_T> kkathman: install autoconf
[05:34] <Diablo-D3> install autoconf damnit.
[05:34] <Tm_T> =)
[05:34] <kkathman> ok
[05:34] <Diablo-D3> thats a zero brainer.
[05:34] <kkathman> Diablo-D3:  shushg
[05:35] <transgress> you are building kde-svn?  
[05:35] <Diablo-D3> HRM IT SAYS FOO ISNT INSTALLED, MAYBE I SHOULD INSTALL FOO!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!!!?!!!!oneoneeleven
[05:35] <Tm_T> transgress: koffice-svn
[05:35] <transgress> oh
[05:35] <transgress> can you remove packages with svn?  i've never used it?
[05:36] <kkathman> hmm... I got an automake not found, but installed it, but now its saying I dont have it :(
[05:36] <Diablo-D3> is it the right version?
[05:36] <Diablo-D3> and do you also have unsermake installed?
[05:37] <kkathman> well crap
[05:37] <Tm_T> =)
[05:37] <kkathman> It says that I need 1.6.1 or newer...so I did an install of 1.9 and it still says I need it :)
[05:37] <kkathman> hmm
[05:38] <nmorse> I need to build KOffice 1.4-beta
[05:38] <kkathman> ok lol.. I had to remove the 1st one so that the 1.9 would take effect
[05:38] <Tm_T> kkathman: install 1.6.x
[05:39] <kkathman> its creating now
[05:39] <Tm_T> great
[05:39] <kkathman> its 1.9 now
[05:39] <Tm_T> ok
[05:39] <nmorse> Does anyone know if Krita actually made it into KOffice 4 though?
[05:39] <kkathman> but I did a automake install...thats Gtk..duh... had to remove it before the kde version took
[05:39] <Tm_T> nmorse: well, I use Krita atm
[05:39] <transgress> what is krita?
[05:40] <nmorse> Does that mean you have KOffice 1.4 installed?
[05:40] <kkathman> lol
[05:40] <Tm_T> transgress: koffice.kde.org
[05:40] <transgress> it's a lot easier if you tell me though
[05:40] <Tm_T> nmorse: no, koffice-svn
[05:40] <nmorse> Okay
[05:40] <kkathman> Tm_T creating makefile templates
[05:40] <Tm_T> kkathman: good
[05:40] <nmorse> So, does Krita's CMYK support work?
[05:40] <transgress> oh cool, a non gtk art program
[05:40] <transgress> any good?
[05:40] <Tm_T> nmorse: dunno, looks like it doesn't handle gimp pics very well
[05:41] <transgress> as in stability and features
[05:41] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: did you think that maybe I was giving Tm_T  an update on what I was doing? hehe
[05:41] <shiv> ok how do I get the trAsh can on desktop?
[05:41] <nmorse> I doubt it's stable, it's only been in development for 6 years
[05:41] <Tm_T> transgress: well, no crashes yet =)
[05:41] <nmorse> That's good
[05:41] <transgress> and features?
[05:41] <nmorse> So can I build Krita without trashing the rest of my Koffice install?
[05:42] <nmorse> I'm interested as my family runs a newspaper
[05:42] <shiv> it shows here /home/shiv/Desktop but I can't see it on the desktop
[05:42] <Tm_T> transgress: less features than gimp
[05:42] <nmorse> And we'd like to use Scribus and the GIMP, but the GIMP doesn't look like CMYK support will ever happen for it
[05:42] <Tm_T> transgress: try it
[05:42] <nmorse> And CMYK is what the press takes of course
[05:42] <nmorse> The GIMP's interface sucks too
[05:43] <transgress> Tm_T: eh i'm not much good at art in that form... i just like seeing qt programs heh.
[05:43] <Tm_T> :)
[05:43] <Tm_T> transgress: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/Krita-Kexi_01.png
[05:44] <Tm_T> nmorse: hmm, it's ok
[05:44] <nmorse> Krita is?
[05:44] <Tm_T> Gimp's interface
[05:44] <Tm_T> when you get used to it
[05:45] <nmorse> GIMP's interface is the devil for doing complex photo editing
[05:45] <nmorse> I use ImageMagick for a lot of crap on its own
[05:45] <transgress> nice
[05:45] <nmorse> But Krita looks like it has a great UI, like Adobe InDesign
[05:45] <nmorse> But less annoying than Adobe Photoshop
[05:46] <nmorse> InDesign is pretty nice for page layout stuff though, and cheaper than Quark Xpress to boot
[05:46] <nmorse> But Scribus could take over here with a few more features
[05:46] <kkathman> Tm_T configuring
[05:47] <nmorse> okay, svn installed
[05:47] <nmorse> now to find out how to use it to install krita
[05:47] <kkathman> nmorse - you try GimpShop? Much better than Gimp
[05:47] <Tm_T> kkathman: good, after it just "make" and "make install" as usual
[05:47] <sirukin> I just want the gimp 2.6 on the apt repositories.
[05:47] <Tm_T> 2.6?
[05:47] <kkathman> hey Tm_T what Qt lib do I need? do you know off hand?
[05:48] <nmorse> You mean, that kludge that attempts to imitate Photoshop in the GIMP
[05:48] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, I think I do
[05:48] <nmorse> Still doesn't matter for me much, as I can't use it due to lack of CMYK support
[05:49] <shiv> thanks for your help Tm_T
[05:49] <shiv> good night al
[05:49] <nmorse> Anyway to just fetch Krita from SVN?
[05:49] <nmorse> I don't normally use Subversion
[05:50] <nmorse> I don't even know where to fetch the files or anythign
[05:51] <nmorse> s/anythign/anything
[05:51] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, can't find it right now..
[05:52] <Tm_T> nmorse: I think the answer is in koffice.kde.org ;)
[05:52] <kkathman> says headers and libraries not found hmm
[05:52] <kkathman> libqt3-dev and libqt3-headers?
[05:53] <Tm_T> I think
[05:54] <Tezkah> 1.4 beta?
[05:54] <Tm_T> svn
[05:54] <nmorse> I have to go
[05:54] <nmorse> see you guys tomorrow
[05:54] <Tm_T> hmm, second sleepless night in a row =)
[05:55] <Tm_T> what a feeling x)
[05:55] <Tm_T> smouche: hmm, you're too quiet these days
[05:56] <kakalto> anyone here know much about css?
[05:56] <kakalto> (as in, webpage css)
[05:56] <kakalto> oh hang on
[05:56] <Tm_T> :)
[05:57] <kkathman> libqt3-mt-dev I think
[05:58] <kkathman> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[05:58] <kkathman> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[05:58] <kkathman> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[05:58] <Tm_T> so try only "./configure"
[05:58] <kkathman> Tm_T this is what I entered ./configure --enable-debug=full --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`                                   
[05:59] <kkathman> same error Tm_T :(
[06:00] <kkathman> somthing wrong with the prefix
[06:01] <kkathman> ??
[06:01] <Tm_T> kkathman: try without prefixes
[06:01] <Tm_T> 06:58 < Tm_T> so try only "./configure"
[06:01] <kakalto> does anyone here know much about css?
[06:02] <sirukin> cascading style sheets or cross-site scripting (xss)?
[06:02] <kakalto> cascading style sheets
[06:02] <sirukin> mm
[06:02] <sirukin> what is there to know?
[06:02] <kkathman> I did...I just did a ./configure and it gave the same msg
[06:02] <kakalto> I tried #web and #css, but they won't give me an answer...
[06:03] <sirukin> that's because they are a bunch of extremist monkies.
[06:03] <kakalto> I want to know how to stretch an image vertically to the whole page, while keeping aligned to the left, and 2 pixels wide
[06:03] <kkathman> kakalto what do you need to know about css
[06:03] <kakalto> I tried stretching height=100%, but it only stretches to 1 page
[06:03] <kkathman> I use it alot
[06:04] <nate__> hey, i installed using the physical ethernet on my laptop, now when i go to try to activate my wireless, it says: Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1.
[06:04] <nate__> how can i enable it?
[06:05] <kakalto> kkathman, read my last few comments
[06:05] <kakalto> or PM and I'll explain again
[06:05] <Tm_T> asl!
[06:05] <kkathman> pm and explain what you are trying to do
[06:06] <kkathman> Tm_T I dont think this is right...the prefixes have to be precise I think
[06:06] <nate__> anyone?
[06:11] <Tm_T> kkathman: well, that worked allright for me :)
[06:13] <kkathman> ok well I will just wait then
[06:14] <kkathman> apparently it isnt ready for prime time..if its that difficult to install lol
[06:14] <kkathman> no deb pkg at all????? tsk tsk tsk
[06:15] <verden01> what package do you want to install kkathman ?
[06:17] <nate____> anyone know why my wireless interface won't show up when i install using the physical interface?
[06:17] <nate____> i can't activate it
[06:18] <transgress> the physical interface?
[06:18] <nate____> eth0
[06:18] <nate____> like, connected to an ethernet cable
[06:18] <transgress> oh... but it shows up when you aren't connected to ethernet?
[06:18] <nate____> no
[06:18] <nate____> it says that the wireless is an unknown interface
[06:19] <transgress> it require ndiswrapper?
[06:19] <nate____> but if i install using the wireless, the physical doesn't show up
[06:19] <nate____> no transgress, it works out of the box, worked last install
[06:19] <transgress> hmm
[06:19] <transgress> k try this... let it find the wireless... then after you get it installed, add the module for your ethernet to /etc/modules
[06:20] <nate____> transgress, hmmm, mmkay
[06:20] <nate____> i don't get it, the wireless modules are loaded
[06:20] <nate____> no way i'm reinstalling
[06:21] <transgress> umm
[06:21] <transgress> iunoi
[06:21] <nate____> brb
[06:22] <transgress> wth does he keep adding more underscores to his name
[06:28] <phxguy> Anyone here familiar with KXDocker
[06:29] <transgress> that guy over there... he is
[06:34] <Tm_T> can't wait when I have my own blog =)
[06:38] <nate____> yeah, /etc/network/interfaces was the solution
[06:38] <transgress> live ya learn
[06:38] <nate____> yep
[06:38] <transgress> write a wiki nate____ 
[06:38] <nate____> i should add a wiki
[06:38] <nate____> heh
[06:38] <nate____> jinx! you owe me a coke
[06:39] <nate____> does gnome use gnomesu?
[06:41] <transgress> uh... iuno
[06:45] <nate____> gksudo
[06:45] <nate____> mmkay, i'm out
[06:45] <nate____> v55
[06:55] <_edd> Just wanted to say 'kudus'.  Hadn't installed Debian "fresh" in a few years, and mostly restricted myself to woody netboot cd and whatever else we had before.
[06:55] <_edd> But kubuntu is way nicer on this brandnew Dell box in front of me ...
[06:55] <_edd> Well done!
[07:02] <Tm_T> :)
[07:04] <_edd> Uhhh. If I could spell I'd even say "kudos"  :-/
[07:11] <Diablo-D3> heh
[07:11] <Diablo-D3> thats spelled right
[07:18] <_nate> anyone know if windows media player 9 for osx works in linux?
[07:19] <_nate> just out of morbid curiosity
[07:20] <Diablo-D3> I highly doubt it
[07:20] <verden01> hey
[07:20] <Diablo-D3> theres no fbsd abi compatibility layer for linux-ppc
[07:20] <_nate> apparently not
[07:20] <_nate> just found out it doesn't work from someone else, something about different binary types
[07:21] <Diablo-D3> _nate: abi means application binary interface
[07:21] <_nate> not that i'd really want it, i just wanted to know if it worked, so i could install it and laugh
[07:21] <_nate> ok Diablo-D3 
[07:22] <Diablo-D3> _now_ I bet if you hack the binary enough and provide all the correct fallbacks for osx functions/libraries, you could get it to run on fbsd-ppc
[07:22] <verden01> does anyone have trouble ejecting CD's or DVD's ?
[07:23] <Diablo-D3> verden01: only when gamim decides to not let go of the cd
[07:23] <Diablo-D3> verden01: a killall -9 gamin_server usually fixes that
[07:25] <verden01> cool
[07:26] <verden01> sudo
[07:26] <luke_> hey all
[07:27] <luke_> whats the dev path to a ps/2 mouse?
[07:27] <Diablo-D3> /dev/input/mice is what you want
[07:28] <luke_> cool thanks
[08:27] <da_bon_bon> anyone from india out here ?
[08:29] <luke_> how many times do you have to ask that?
[08:37] <Bicchi> does anyknow knows how to setup gaim and guifications.
[08:39] <loren> nope :9
[08:39] <loren> i'd just change your config.list file and apt-get it
[08:40] <Bicchi> there is not popup window using guifications.
[08:41] <luke_> bicchi: have you got gaim?
[08:41] <Bicchi> yes
[08:41] <Bicchi> and guifications shows in the plugin section also. its also loaded.
[08:41] <Bicchi> i have both things installed.
[08:41] <luke_> whats your problem ?
[08:41] <Bicchi> i am not sure if it has to do that i use dual monitors
[08:42] <da_bon_bon> luke_: i really want the kubuntu cd :
[08:42] <da_bon_bon> :)
[08:42] <Bicchi> when a user logs in, i do not see the notification by the popup window
[08:43] <luke_> gaim > tools > preferences > plugins > select the guifications box, that'll turn it on
[08:43] <luke_> da_bon_bon: get it then :p
[08:43] <Bicchi> i just said that i have it loaded
[08:44] <da_bon_bon> luke_: i think u know of my net :)
[08:44] <luke_> haha oh yeah
[08:44] <luke_> get the ubuntu cd shipped to you then install kubuntu off that
[08:45] <luke_> bicchi: play around with the guifications options then
[08:45] <Bicchi> i also noticed that under ~/.gaim/guifications/themes/          i do not have any themes.
[08:45] <da_bon_bon> luke_: thats still 100 mb.. and, shipit is slow for india :)
[08:46] <amaro> What's a good FTP program?
[08:46] <da_bon_bon> gftp
[08:46] <luke_> bicchi: the themes should come with guifications
[08:47] <luke_> da_bon_bon: it doesn't look like you have many other options :p
[08:48] <Diablo-D3> hell, shipit is slow for the US
[08:48] <da_bon_bon> luke_: true. thats why i keep asking the queation i always ask :D
[08:48] <Bicchi> luke_: i got a feeling this has to do with dual monitor. who knows where the popup is been sent to.
[08:49] <luke_> bicchi: have you tried it without the second monitor?
[08:49] <Bicchi> not yet
[08:51] <Bicchi> luke_: could it be the version of gtk that i am using?
[08:51] <luke_> I'm not sure
[08:52] <luke_> are you using something other than the latest?
[08:52] <Bicchi> how can i see the version of gtk installed
[08:52] <Bicchi> no
[08:52] <luke_> then it should be ok
[08:52] <Bicchi> i got it from synaptic, so i asume its the latest.
[08:52] <luke_> yeah it should be
[08:52] <Bicchi> let me try with one monitor. brb
[08:56] <loren> anyone know why jack's screwed up in Kubuntu?
[08:56] <loren> i can never run jack when artsd is running :(
[08:59] <luke_> kill atrs then
[09:00] <luke_> da_bon_bon: have you ordered a ubuntu cd?
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> luke_: yes
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> luke_: why ?
[09:01] <luke_> well you'll get kubuntu eventually 
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> luke_: ?? how ?
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> they arent distributing kubuntu cds
[09:02] <sirukin> they should be soon.
[09:02] <sirukin> KDE must spread.
[09:02] <luke_> haha yes!
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> true
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> but isnt it a bit rich to ask a company, that distibutes cds free in the first place, to distrobute one or two more cds ??
[09:10] <shogouki> not two, twice
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> shogouki: ??
[09:39] <ilbahr> hi
[09:56] <Chameleon22> how can i change my monitor settings ... just got a new monitor so need to make refresh and res higher and dont know how 
[09:59] <luke_> right click on desktop > configure desktop > display
[10:17] <luke_> anyone know the plugins folder for gaim?
[10:39] <ubuntu> hello :
[10:40] <sirk|afk> hello ubuntu
[10:41] <luke_> hi!
[10:41] <ubuntu> I new here, sorry for being slow...
[10:41] <luke_> are you from ubuntu?
[10:41] <sirk|afk> I really like you
[10:42] <luke_> ubuntu: are you a convert? :p
[10:42] <sirk|afk> ubuntu: you make everyday I turn on my pc special
[10:42] <_simple> yay, all set up and everything!
[10:43] <luke_> _simple: do you like it :D
[10:43] <ubuntu> checking... it seems quite efficient
[10:43] <_simple> love it, broadcom and linksys is what i don't like
[10:43] <sirk|afk> hmm
[10:44] <_simple> two full days pretty much to set up my wireless network o:
[10:44] <_simple> granted it was my first time
[10:44] <luke_> hmm
[10:45] <sirukin> nooo!
[10:45] <sirukin> ubuntu can't die!
[10:45] <luke_> _simple: is setting up a wireless network much different to a lan?
[10:45] <sirukin> luke_, yes
[10:46] <_simple> all questions directed to me will be answered by sirukin, thank you 
[10:46] <sirukin> the device interface tools/applications are completely different
[10:46] <luke_> hahaha
[10:46] <sirukin> I are _simple's secretary
[10:46] <sirukin> err
[10:47] <luke_> yes, but other than that is it much different? like setting ips? 
[10:47] <_simple> anyway it's 5am. thanks for all the help earlier folks
[10:47] <sirukin> let me elaborate, depending on what card you've bought, it's either ifconfig/iwconfig/somethingelse
[10:47] <sirukin> luke_, no
[10:47] <sirukin> wifi just adds another layer of configuration beyond IP addressing
[10:48] <sirukin> wep key, channel, bssid, etc
[10:48] <luke_> so is your private network 192.168.x.x and people can't access it?
[10:48] <sirukin> people can access it...
[10:49] <luke_> with an access key aye?
[10:49] <sirukin> yeah
[10:49] <sirukin> however, since 192.168.x.x is a non-routable ip address...
[10:49] <luke_> hmm
[10:50] <luke_> so is the 192.168.x.x factor erralivant?
[10:51] <sirukin> no
[10:51] <colera> i read in a kubuntu review that there are some firefox issues with kubuntu is that true>
[10:52] <colera> like that flash doesn't install?
[10:54] <luke_> I've had no trouble with flash
[10:54] <colera> in firefox?
[10:55] <luke_> I've had a bit of trouble with java. but java sucks. and I got it going anyway, just have to find the right file. no problems with firefox and flash at all
[10:56] <colera> what was the problem with java?
[11:10] <luke_> colera: it's just not installed by deafault, and it's a pain finding the right thing to install. 
[11:12] <transgress> woohoo restarting got my sensors working
[11:12] <luke_> what sensors?
[11:12] <transgress> for my motherboard
[11:12] <luke_> like temperature?
[11:12] <transgress> hey is it bad when something on ksensors if red and flashing... apparently my fan isn't going fast enough
[11:13] <transgress> temp and fan
[11:13] <luke_> ksensors aye?
[11:13] <transgress> yes
[11:13] <transgress> i take it that it is just below the suggested speed eh?
[11:14] <luke_> no idea
[11:14] <luke_> sorry
[11:15] <luke_> did you have to recompile your kernel to use the sensors?
[11:15] <transgress> no
[11:15] <transgress> sudo apt-get install lmsensors
[11:15] <transgress> sudo sensors-detect
[11:15] <transgress> reboot
[11:15] <luke_> deafault kernel?
[11:15] <transgress> it didn't work for me until i rebooted
[11:16] <transgress> eh generic k7 kernel
[11:16] <luke_> ok thanks
[11:16] <transgress> i can't sleep... i should sleep
[11:19] <ilbahr> anyone know of backports to firefox 1.0.4
[11:19] <Riddell> colours are banned on this channel
[11:20] <ilbahr> it does not say so in the start page ....
[11:20] <transgress> well now you know
[11:20] <ilbahr> and you set this rule ????????????
[11:21] <transgress> ilbahr: i probably wouldn't go for two
[11:22] <transgress> how you doing mepisman 
[11:22] <ilbahr> transgress: i do not have time for that this channel is just too hostile
[11:22] <transgress> LMAO
[11:22] <transgress> LMFAO
[11:23] <luke_> haha
[11:23] <luke_> brb
[11:24] <mikl> some people ...
[11:25] <Harnak> Does KDE come with a bittorrent client?
[11:25] <sirukin> no
[11:25] <Harnak> Is there one that integrats into kde well?
[11:27] <mikl> Harnak: there is QTorrent
[11:27] <Harnak> miki: I'll check that out.. Thanks
[11:34] <luke_> wow I have access to my bios
[11:37] <mikl> luke_: is that unusual?
[11:39] <luke_> haha I've always known I have all the sensors on my cpu and motherboard etc, but have never been able to see them in the operating system
[11:39] <luke_> thanks transgress
[11:40] <luke_> I can control voltages with it too. although I wont touch them..
[11:41] <mikl> yeah, fiddling with the voltage-settings can be rather dangerous 
[11:42] <luke_> yeah. I nearly killed my cpu by changing the multiplier when I still didn't understand it fully, so I don't want to stuff up again in that aspect.
[11:42] <mikl> heh ::
[12:06] <luke_> what does everyones cpu temp average?
[12:11] <mikl> luke_: I never managed to get my sensors to work with linux .(
[12:13] <luke_> transgress just told me how to before. install ksensors and lm-sensors, then run sudo sensors-detect
[12:14] <luke_> and restart your computer
[12:15] <mikl> hmm
[12:15] <mikl> no setup needed?
[12:15] <luke_> that is the setup haha
[12:16] <mikl> luke_: should i go with ISA or smbus?
[12:17] <luke_> no idea haha I just hit enter:p
[12:18] <mikl> any of you guys on breezy btw?
[12:18] <luke_> where did you hear about breezy?
[12:19] <mikl> on ubuntu.com
[12:19] <mikl> breezy is just the next version of (k)ubuntu :)
[12:19] <luke_> yeah
[12:20] <mikl> but it seems that the shit really hit the fan with the new dbus - If I upgrade dbus, apt will uninstall most of my kde for me :)
[12:21] <luke_> alrighty
[12:21] <pounce> oh well that's fun stuff. Gotta love instant dependency resolutions :)
[12:22] <luke_> it's quite messed up sometimes huh
[12:23] <pounce> yeah
[12:23] <luke_> ever been to ubuntu.org ?  :p
[12:23] <pounce> I'm just setting up my new kubuntu system - going to use it as my file server.
[12:23] <pounce> I much prefer KDE over Gnome anyday - better applications.
[12:24] <luke_> definately
[12:24] <pounce> and it just looks nicer.
[12:24] <luke_> they don't use their own system though
[12:24] <pounce> KDE, or Gnome?
[12:24] <luke_> the ubuntu website is hosted on a red hat system
[12:25] <pounce> ah hehe
[12:25] <luke_> :p
[12:26] <pounce> yeah I'm basically going to install guarddog and guidedog to help me set up my firewall/NAT stuff.
[12:27] <luke_> get a really crappy system, and install smoothwall as a dhcp server and hardware firewall.
[12:27] <luke_> smoothwall.org
[12:29] <luke_> theres more to it than that too, it's really good 
[12:30] <bubi> it lacks one mayor feature
[12:30] <luke_> whats that
[12:30] <bubi> badwith throtling
[12:30] <luke_> whats that?
[12:31] <bubi> a feature wich allows u to limit upload and download per IP
[12:32] <bubi> but that applys only if u have more computers in network
[12:32] <ejd> Can anyone please tell me how to restore my icons (next to names in "start" menu, and back, up etc. in file open dialogs (annoying not having these))? Somehow I managed to lose them.
[12:34] <luke_> bubi: yeah, that would be good. I'd never need it though. It's a really secure firewall, apparently it's never been hacked
[12:34] <luke_> ejd: do you have kde?
[12:34] <ejd> luke, yes, new kubuntu install (2 hours ago), 3.4
[12:35] <luke_> it happened to me with gnome, but not kde
[12:37] <ejd> gtk file dialogs still have icons, qt ones do not, nor are there icons in the "start" menu. But it is only this user account, other users with kde are fine
[12:41] <luke_> weird..
[12:42] <luke_> hi shiv
[12:42] <shiv> hi
[12:42] <shiv> good morning
[12:43] <luke_> haha evening here
[12:43] <giuliano> do you speak italia
[12:43] <giuliano> n
[12:43] <mikl> giuliano: don't count on it :)
[12:43] <shiv> naah
[12:43] <luke_> nope
[12:43] <luke_> I'm an 8th italian though ^_^
[12:43] <ejd> since it is a per user thing, do you think that copying kde settings from one user account to another will work?
[12:44] <luke_> yeah it could do. 
[12:44] <giuliano> qualcuno parla italiano?
[12:44] <pounce> giuliano: no parla italiano. parla ingles solamente.
[12:44] <giuliano> ok
[12:45] <giuliano> where are you from
[12:45] <giuliano> ?
[12:45] <shiv> hey all, with this great distro why is firefox not the latest version? even though it pgraded yesterday to 1.0.3 why not 1.0.4? I can't get any extensions without it, any help?
[12:45] <pounce> I'm from Seattle, Washington, but I lived in Italy many years ago. I've forgotten most of my italian.
[12:46] <pounce> shiv: the new version of firefox was just upgraded. Give it a couple of days to be added to universe.
[12:46] <Choubaka> isn't it in main? :|
[12:46] <luke_> shiv: ubuntu and hence kubuntu get their repositries from debian. so it has to go through debian before it gets to ubuntu
[12:46] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[12:46] <Choubaka> Is that true? :p
[12:46] <Choubaka> Ubuntu has packages that debian doens't
[12:47] <Choubaka> doesn't*
[12:48] <Riddell> nothing has to go through debian, we upload packages ourselves too
[12:48] <luke_> it's what I headr
[12:48] <luke_> heard*
[12:50] <pounce> Riddell: you guys have your own repositories, right, so no need to wait for Debian. Besides, if you did that you'd never get a release out since Devian takes so much time to get things together for an actual full release.
[12:51] <pounce> er Debian that is
[12:51] <mikl> yeah, they've been working on Sarge for 3 years or so, now :D
[12:51] <Riddell> pounce: that's about right
[12:51] <pounce> I think 3.0r5 was the last incremental release
[12:52] <pounce> I like Debian, don't get me wrong, but you can't even get xorg in the standard distro. Just doesn't make sense to me when other distros put out new releases about once every couple of months.
[12:53] <luke_> why is gaim so far help back then I wonder? it's release is up to 1.3.0 and we only have 1.1.4 like debian
[12:53] <mikl> well, stability issues, probably
[12:54] <luke_> alot of the releases of gaim have been bug fixes..
[12:55] <mikl> generally, gaim has released a lot of broken stuff :)
[12:55] <luke_> yeah, but why would they realease something more broken than their previous release:p
[12:55] <mikl> new features, usually
[12:56] <mikl> but I don't know in this case :)
[12:57] <luke_> most of gaims development have been bug fixes :p
[12:59] <ejd> bah, ill just reinstall kubuntu, easier and quicker than figuring out what is wrong.
[12:59] <luke_> hmm
[01:00] <Kamping_in_doze> :S
[01:01] <Choubaka> such windowsy way of thinking :)
[01:02] <luke_> lol
[01:02] <Kamping_in_doze> lol
[01:03] <Choubaka> windowsy way of thinking: reboot on problems. re-install on bigger problems. Hunt around the web for new programs and updates. Use virus and firewall software. "IE is internet". Hate the command line. Accept idiocy. And finally: If you're about to convert to Linux, you will abandon it at the first sight of trouble, and tell everyone it sucks.
[01:03] <Kamping_in_doze> ROFL
[01:04] <luke_> hehehe
[01:04] <luke_> he'll learn
[01:04] <Kamping_in_doze> y'know, thats a good summary of a lot of ppl (not necesarily talking about ejd, whos problem i dont know)
[01:04] <Choubaka> Yeah.
[01:04] <Choubaka> That was the extreme case.
[01:05] <Choubaka> less extreme cases may be able to convert to the linux way of thinking.
[01:05] <Diablo-D3> Choubaka: windowsy way of thinking: "whats a computer?"
[01:05] <Choubaka> Which is: Windows sucks. Linux rules. Damn, I can do this stuff so much faster on the command line. I don't understand people who have trouble with such easy things as <foo>.
[01:06] <Choubaka> Again, that's the extreme case 
[01:06] <Kamping_in_doze> getting there, give me time ;)
[01:06] <Choubaka> My way of thinking: If it works, it's good. If it doesn't, it's not.
[01:07] <luke_> if it doesn't work, fix it, if you can't fix it, find out how
[01:07] <Choubaka> I'm using linux because it not-works far less than Windows. 
[01:07] <Kamping_in_doze> IE ask on irc :P
[01:07] <Choubaka> yeah. :D
[01:07] <luke_> yeah man
[01:08] <Diablo-D3> Choubaka: "I dont have "My Computer" in the corner of my desktop, I have a lamp"
[01:08] <luke_> I don't get it
[01:09] <Diablo-D3> get what?
[01:09] <Kamping_in_doze> you blokes know about this problem? i want a system to use a remote server for its X sesion, and i know i need the line "X -query server" in an X config file. anyone know which?
[01:09] <Diablo-D3> Kamping_in_doze is english.
[01:09] <Kamping_in_doze> Australian
[01:09] <Diablo-D3> Kamping_in_doze: thats not quite how it works
[01:10] <Diablo-D3> Kamping_in_doze: you want an application to connect to a pre-existing X session on another machine?
[01:10] <Kamping_in_doze> i have an install of ubuntu (yeh i know), which i want to connect to the remote box for its display, the x sesion runs localy
[01:11] <Diablo-D3> uh.
[01:11] <Diablo-D3> Kamping_in_doze: you cant do that.
[01:11] <Harnak> Does anyone know the name of hte fastcgi apache package in the ubuntu repositories?
[01:11] <Kamping_in_doze> theres 12 boxes already doing it :S
[01:11] <Diablo-D3> Kamping_in_doze: you cant run X on one machine, and display it on another
[01:11] <Kamping_in_doze> probably that then
[01:11] <Kamping_in_doze> *corrects sentence
[01:12] <luke_> remote desktop sharing
[01:12] <Diablo-D3> X runs on the machine it displays on
[01:12] <Kamping_in_doze> probably not that, ill go ask the bloke who set it up what its called
[01:12] <Diablo-D3> luke_: thats not what he wants
[01:12] <Diablo-D3> Kamping_in_doze: does it involve vnc?
[01:13] <Kamping_in_doze> not the vnc application, no
[01:13] <Kamping_in_doze> its an X thing
[01:13] <Diablo-D3> Kamping_in_doze: because I _can_ connect a vnc server to a pre-existing x session, and display it on two boxen at once.
[01:14] <Kamping_in_doze> its all done through x w-s, just not sure how.
[01:15] <Diablo-D3> Im trying to figure out what you want
[01:15] <Diablo-D3> you're not making sense though
[01:16] <Diablo-D3> an X session is attached to the display
[01:16] <Diablo-D3> so you cant run X on one machine, and have it display on another
[01:16] <Kamping_in_doze> thats because i dont know what i want :( i just got handed a network and told to look after it
[01:16] <Diablo-D3> ouch
[01:16] <Diablo-D3> windows or linux machines?
[01:16] <Kamping_in_doze> each box runs X, but the display is sent to the client from the server to be displayed
[01:16] <Kamping_in_doze> linux all :):)
[01:17] <Diablo-D3> ahah
[01:17] <Diablo-D3> that sounds supsiciously like vnc
[01:17] <Kamping_in_doze> debian server, all the clients are ubuntu / kubuntu clients because they just pass on displaying so its not important what they have
[01:17] <Kamping_in_doze> it could be. just using X?
[01:17] <Diablo-D3> wait, how many servers?
[01:18] <Diablo-D3> is it many server, single client, or many client, single server?
[01:18] <Kamping_in_doze> one display server
[01:18] <Kamping_in_doze> about 12 clients
[01:18] <Diablo-D3> erk, Kamping_in_doze, dont use X terminology
[01:18] <Kamping_in_doze> ok.
[01:18] <Diablo-D3> an 'X display server' is normally called a 'client machine'
[01:19] <Diablo-D3> so, is it like one machine with a monitor, and a bunch of headless servers?
[01:20] <Kamping_in_doze> no, the oposite. one machine with no monitor, and lots of computers connecting to it
[01:20] <Diablo-D3> now we're getting somewhere
[01:20] <Diablo-D3> that sounds supiciously like a thinclient setup
[01:21] <Diablo-D3> which doesnt use vnc
[01:21] <Diablo-D3> it _could_ use a form of the protocol windows uses, but I'm forgetting the name of it
[01:22] <Diablo-D3> Kamping_in_doze: and each thinclient has its own desktop provided by the server, right?
[01:22] <Kamping_in_doze> yes
[01:23] <Diablo-D3> and if you kill the server, all the clients die too, right?
[01:23] <Kamping_in_doze> havent tried
[01:23] <Kamping_in_doze> but i think so yes
[01:24] <Diablo-D3> then thats exactly what you have
[01:24] <Diablo-D3> a thinclient setup
[01:24] <Kamping_in_doze> right
[01:24] <Diablo-D3> which is almost what you described to begin with
[01:24] <Diablo-D3> but a thinclient setup is closer to 50 monitors, 50 keyboards, and 50 mice hooked up to one box ;)
[01:24] <Kamping_in_doze> :) yp
[01:24] <Kamping_in_doze> ok
[01:25] <Diablo-D3> so whats the problem?
[01:25] <Kamping_in_doze> how do i set a thin client to look for the server on boot?
[01:25] <Diablo-D3> ahh, hrm
[01:25] <Diablo-D3> let me think about that one for a moment
[01:26] <Diablo-D3> you're looking in the wrong place methinks
[01:26] <gdh> We use 'thinnish' clients at work :)
[01:26] <Kamping_in_doze> AHAHAHH !! think i found it...
[01:26] <gdh> diskless PCs PXE boot + NFS root + homedirs..
[01:26] <Kamping_in_doze> what do yours do?
[01:26] <Kamping_in_doze> ah right. proper thins
[01:26] <Diablo-D3> gdh: hehe, thats not a thin client ;)
[01:26] <gdh> No, the apps run on each local machine
[01:26] <gdh> hence 'thinnish' ;)
[01:26] <Kamping_in_doze>  :)
[01:27] <Diablo-D3> a true thinclient involves completely dumb terminals
[01:27] <gdh> I shudder to think of running a server that could cope with 50 copies of Thunderbird, Firefox and OpenOrifice.org simultaneously.....
[01:27] <Diablo-D3> if you had a monitor with an ethernet jack and plugged your keyboard and mouse into it, that would be preferable... ;)
[01:27] <Diablo-D3> gdh: thats how my school had windows setup
[01:27] <Kamping_in_doze> gdh. we have a p3 600 trying to run 10 of the above :P
[01:27] <Diablo-D3> I had to unwire it all
[01:27] <gdh> Diablo-D3: I think Windows has proper support for shared memory on big apps like Office...
[01:27] <Diablo-D3> and ran them as 'almost' net booting boxen
[01:28] <Diablo-D3> they'd boot off the hd, and then have /home on the server
[01:28] <gdh> so you're not actually running 50 standalone copies :)
[01:28] <Diablo-D3> and do auth off the server
[01:28] <gdh> right, bbiab
[01:28] <Diablo-D3> everything increased in speed 100x
[01:28] <Kamping_in_doze> found it :)
[01:29] <Diablo-D3> Kamping_in_doze: what is it?
[01:29] <Diablo-D3> because I think it has something to do with the login manager
[01:29] <Kamping_in_doze> its a setting "1=Terminal -query 192.168.0.1
[01:29] <Kamping_in_doze> " in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf
[01:30] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[01:30] <Diablo-D3> wait a second
[01:30] <Diablo-D3> well, first, that agrees with what I said
[01:30] <Kamping_in_doze> had to grep a client via 3 ssh hops but i got it :)
 because I think it has something to do with the login manager
[01:30] <Kamping_in_doze> yes :) thats what got me greping
[01:30] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[01:31] <Diablo-D3> under what heading does that line appear?
[01:31] <spiral> hmmm, do I need to apply the fix in toppic if I'm in breezy dist-upgraded (except for dbus pbs...)
[01:31] <spiral> ?
[01:31] <Diablo-D3> spiral: if your kde packages actually install right, no
[01:32] <Diablo-D3> Kamping_in_doze: becauseI think thats xdmcp related
[01:32] <spiral> Diablo-D3: they install right, but I've got problems with dbus...
[01:32] <Diablo-D3> AHAH!
[01:32] <Diablo-D3> I GET IT NOW
[01:32] <Diablo-D3> it is xdmcp
[01:32] <spiral> Diablo-D3: if I let dist-upgrade go, it wants to remove some kde packages
[01:32] <Kamping_in_doze> whats that mean?
[01:33] <Diablo-D3> and thats where your X -query thing came from
[01:33] <Diablo-D3> spiral: dbus api incompatibility
[01:33] <Diablo-D3> spiral: dont let it upgrade dbus
[01:33] <spiral> Diablo-D3: yeah, I know...
[01:33] <spiral> Diablo-D3: I've got to wait till an upgrade of dbus I suppose
[01:33] <Diablo-D3> Kamping_in_doze: the thinclient X protocol
[01:33] <spiral> Diablo-D3: so I don't have to apply the patch ?
[01:33] <Kamping_in_doze> ah, all us explained :)
[01:34] <Diablo-D3> spiral: you dont methinks
[01:34] <Diablo-D3> Kamping_in_doze: btw, for the record, Ive never used xdmcp ;)
[01:34] <Diablo-D3> xdmcp seems like a waste too
[01:35] <Diablo-D3> unless you're running on like 386s with beefy video hardware
[01:35] <Kamping_in_doze> xdmcp, is it secure?
[01:36] <Kamping_in_doze> dont answer, ill go look somthing up for myslef :)
[01:36] <Diablo-D3> Im going to assume no
[01:36] <Diablo-D3> its not using ssh afaik
[01:37] <Kamping_in_doze> ok. /me looks
[01:45] <shiv> is there a way to install shockwave? 
[01:45] <shiv> its not showing up in kynaptic
[01:49] <Riddell> swf-player
[01:57] <luke_> night all
[02:38] <spiral> hmmm, does anyone know why amarok isn't translated in kubuntu ?
[02:38] <Kamping_in_doze> translated to what?
[02:38] <spiral> Kamping_in_doze: french for example
[02:38] <spiral> i18n, all this...
[02:39] <Kamping_in_doze> nfi, but you supprise me
[02:39] <spiral> Kamping_in_doze: nfi ?
[02:40] <spiral> Kamping_in_doze: yes, it isn't tranlated on my laptop, but kde is... so I don't think I miss the i18n...
[02:41] <Kamping_in_doze> nfi == No F*cking Idea
[02:41] <spiral> Kamping_in_doze: :-)
[02:41] <KaiL> are there translations for amarok yet?
[02:41] <Kamping_in_doze> if its not in the repositreis, i dont know, sorry
[02:41] <Kamping_in_doze> :(
[02:41] <spiral> KaiL: when I look on SuSE, or mandrake, it is translated...
[02:41] <KaiL> oh
[02:43] <spiral> hmmm, gota relaunch kde...
[02:43] <spiral> ++
[03:05] <vicks> hi everybody. im quite new to the linux experience, so I have a couple of, what i suppose is,  n00b questions:
[03:05] <gdh> We can but try :)
[03:05] <vicks> nice! ican't mount my windows disk in konqueror
[03:06] <Kamping_in_doze> what file system?
[03:06] <mikl> vicks: is it defined in fstab?
[03:07] <vicks> well it says it can't fins it in fsttab i would guess not (or?)
[03:07] <Kamping_in_doze> it wont be there unless you put it there
[03:08] <Kamping_in_doze> whats the file system?
[03:08] <spiral> oh, oh... I can't update kdebase in breezy because it wants to break a lot of things... Is it normal ?
[03:08] <vicks> ntfs (I think)
[03:08] <Kamping_in_doze> vicks. is it runnin xp or 2k?
[03:09] <vicks> xp
[03:09] <gdh> spiral: breakage in breezy is normal, yes.
[03:09] <Kamping_in_doze> ok vicks. type this in a terminal "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hd?? /mnt/" where ?? is the hardrive and partition number
[03:09] <gdh> If you're not experienced with debian systems, I'd steer clear of it :)
[03:09] <Kamping_in_doze> its probably ntfs
[03:10] <Kamping_in_doze> vicks. do you know where on the channel it is?
[03:10] <spiral> gdh: I'm experienced with debian system... But I wanted to know if I was the only one to have this exact breakage
[03:10] <Kamping_in_doze> ide channel?
[03:10] <mikl> spiral: Its due to the DBUS API changes
[03:10] <vicks> no. and i don't know how to check it in linux ;)
[03:10] <mikl> spiral: I have it also :)
[03:11] <spiral> mikl: all right then :-)
[03:11] <spiral> I'll wait 'till dbus doesn't pose anymore problem
[03:11] <Kamping_in_doze> vicks thats ok... type (in your terminal) "cat /proc/partitions" iirc
[03:12] <spiral> is there a switch for apt-get or aptitude in order to tell him not to allow upgrades that want to break packages ?
[03:12] <mikl> spiral: Problem is that KDE doesn't support the new DBUS api, and apt prefers to update dbus and uninstall KDE :(
[03:12] <mikl> ... which IMO is rather stupid
[03:12] <spiral> mikl: yes... ubuntu wants it, but kubuntu doesn't...
[03:13] <gdh> Ubuntu has paid programmers by Canonical to keep things in sync, Kubuntu does not :)
[03:13] <KaiL> mikl: update is somewhere around
[03:13] <Kamping_in_doze> probaly spiral, but i dont know off the top of my head "apt-get --help" would have to bee where to look :(
[03:13] <gdh> So it's always a game of catch-up
[03:13] <vicks> ok, i did that, there are two hd that seems to be that drive: hda and hda1
[03:13] <mikl> KaiL: huh?
[03:13] <spiral> Kamping_in_doze: I found aptitude upgrade which doesn't want to remove the files & lets some files out
[03:13] <spiral> I shall maybe use this
[03:14] <KaiL> also the update in kubuntu doesn't really fix it, as there some things need to be fixed
[03:14] <Kamping_in_doze> synaptics "smart update" does a similar thing, but i dont know about cli or kde
[03:14] <KaiL> with kde 3.4.1 (after the gcc4 transition) this will look better again
[03:14] <spiral> KaiL: all right... 
[03:15] <spiral> gcc4 transition, oh lord... with all the problems I myself get with it... :-p
[03:15] <mikl> yes, it's going to be a challenge
[03:16] <vicks> Kamping_in_doze: ok, i did that, there are two hd that seems to be that drive: hda and hda1 (hda the whole drive without partitions?)
[03:16] <Kamping_in_doze> vicks. hda is the drive, and hda* (in your case 1) are the partition numbers. so yes
[03:17] <Kamping_in_doze> try this to mount your windows partition. we will just keep trying till it works. :P "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/"
[03:19] <vicks> Kamping_in_doze: it says hdb doesn't exist (did you mean hda1?)
[03:19] <gdh> hda1 etc. :)
[03:19] <gdh> hehe
[03:19] <Kamping_in_doze> vicks, i asume hda1 is your ubuntu install, so windows will be on another hard drive? 
[03:21] <vicks> Kamping_in_doze: no, hda1 is my windows install, my inux is hdd1
[03:21] <Kamping_in_doze> oh ok, hten yes, you want /dev/hda1
[03:23] <vicks> Kamping_in_doze: it's mounted now in, but when i try to access it through conqueror, it says it can't access /mnt (or something like that, i'm translating from swedish =) )
[03:24] <Kamping_in_doze> :) thats ok. just say it doesnt work and we will read your mind :D
[03:25] <spiral> vicks : umask=0222 should do the trick
[03:25] <Kamping_in_doze> so now we know for sure which drive it is, go "sudo echo "/dev/hda1 /mnt/ ntfs defaults,uid=0222 0 0"
[03:25] <Kamping_in_doze> ah wait
[03:25] <spiral> Kamping_in_doze: you forgot the >... , isn't it ?
[03:26] <Kamping_in_doze> >>"sudo echo "/dev/hda1 /mnt/ ntfs defaults,uid=0222 0 0" >> /etc/fstab
[03:26] <Kamping_in_doze> yes :D hence the wait. my bad
[03:26] <spiral> :-)
[03:26] <vicks> ok, here we go =)
[03:26] <Kamping_in_doze> need two >>s or it overwrites the existing file, btw
[03:27] <Kamping_in_doze> that may fail, you might need to sudo -s and hten do the echo. just thought about that, but still
[03:28] <vicks> i think you just went over my head there guys, could you take it from the suda echo thingy
[03:28] <Kamping_in_doze> ok. vicks
[03:29] <Kamping_in_doze> theres a file called fstab. this stores where all the hard drives on your computer are
[03:29] <Kamping_in_doze> and partitions.
[03:29] <vicks> ok
[03:29] <Kamping_in_doze> what we did with the echo was make a line:
[03:29] <Kamping_in_doze>  "/dev/hda1 /mnt/ ntfs defaults,uid=0222 0 0"
[03:30] <Kamping_in_doze> go into fstab by (heres the geek speak) redirecting the standard output to the file fstab
[03:30] <Kamping_in_doze> to redirect the > or >> symbols are used
[03:30] <Kamping_in_doze> > means overwrite the file
[03:30] <vicks> ok
[03:30] <Kamping_in_doze> >> means add to the file (append)
[03:31] <Kamping_in_doze> and sudo is "run this program as root"
[03:31] <vicks> yes that i know ;)
[03:31] <Kamping_in_doze> :)
[03:31] <vicks> so the line should read: >>"sudo echo "/dev/hda1 /mnt/ ntfs defaults,uid=0222 0 0" >> /etc/fstab
[03:32] <Kamping_in_doze> no >> at hte start
[03:32] <Kamping_in_doze> sudo echo "/dev/hda1 /mnt/ ntfs defaults,uid=0222 0 0" >> /etc/fstab
[03:32] <vicks> lol, sorry I understand
[03:33] <vicks> i just copiedan above line without really reading it
[03:33] <Kamping_in_doze> thats cool. im telling you to use a method i dont use :P i edit the file by hand
[03:34] <Kamping_in_doze> when you run that run this "cat /etc/fstab" to find out if it worked, or if we have to rewrite your fstab :)
[03:38] <Kamping_in_doze> vicks mate, you want to run those commands for us? if they go wrong we need to get them right before you go :O
[03:40] <vicks> Kamping_in_doze: =) well i didn't sort my problem
[03:40] <Kamping_in_doze> :) so whats up?
[03:44] <vicks> the same error as before. when i looked at the fstab in kate it didn't seem to have changed, so i tried the echo thing again, and now it says: bash: /etc/fstab: access denied 
[03:45] <Kamping_in_doze> did you put in sudo?
[03:46] <vicks> yes
[03:46] <vicks> can i edit the file directly from kate?
[03:46] <Kamping_in_doze> ok. try this. "sudo -s"
[03:46] <Kamping_in_doze> you can, 
[03:46] <Kamping_in_doze> go "sudo kate /etc/fstab"
[03:46] <Kamping_in_doze> i prefer vi, but you know
[03:47] <vicks> ok, i gonna try with the suda -s first then
[03:47] <Kamping_in_doze> sudo -s puts you in a shell, thats all
[03:47] <Kamping_in_doze> and its O, not A
[03:47] <Kamping_in_doze> letter O
[03:48] <vicks> yes, that was a typo =)
[03:48] <Kamping_in_doze> :
[03:48] <Kamping_in_doze> :)
[03:48] <vicks> should i still use sudo, in shell?
[03:48] <Kamping_in_doze> yes
[03:48] <Kamping_in_doze> to launch kate
[03:50] <vicks> ok, the line is added in fstab now. but i still can't acess the drive (can't access /mnt)
[03:51] <Kamping_in_doze> ok. in your terminal type this "umount /mnt/ && mount -a
[03:52] <vicks> done
[03:53] <Kamping_in_doze> now try
[03:53] <vicks> same prob
[03:53] <gdh> when you're in 'sudo -s' shell, can you cd /mnt and then ls ?
[03:53] <gdh> in case mounting as ntfs will lock the mount to root-only 700 permissions?
[03:54] <vicks> gdh: yes
[03:54] <gdh> so you can see the contents of your ntfs drive in sudo, but not as a normal user?
[03:55] <vicks> yes
[03:55] <gdh> in that case you'll need to edit your fstab again and add "uid=1000" as an option 
[03:55] <gdh> assuming your own user is UID 1000 
[03:55] <gdh> which it probably will be
[03:56] <Kamping_in_doze> id is 0222 isnt it?
[03:56] <vicks> how do I add the uid to the line?
[03:56] <gdh> Kamping_in_doze: maybe you're thinking of umask?
[03:57] <Kamping_in_doze> could be :S but im sure thats what i added.. probably umask
[03:57] <vicks> aha, sorry =)
[03:57] <vicks> so, i should change from 0222 to 1000?
[03:57] <gdh> vicks: hey it can't hurt to try :)
[03:57] <gdh> you will then need to umount /mnt && mount /mnt again
[03:58] <gdh> make sure you're not currently 'cd' in /mnt or umount will fail 'device busy'
[03:59] <gdh> also make sure you 'chown 1000 /mnt' so that Linux itself will permit you to read/write to that dir,
[03:59] <gdh> aside from whatever the ntfs driver is doing
[03:59] <gdh> Isn't open source fun and easy? :)
[04:00] <Kamping_in_doze> i havent had to chown the dir, but whatever :D
[04:00] <gdh> Kamping_in_doze: Belt and braces, I guess :)
[04:00] <Kamping_in_doze> yeh and ubuntus sloagan is "linux that just works" :)
[04:00] <gdh> Kamping_in_doze: Depends on how you interpret 'just works' =)
[04:00] <Kamping_in_doze> lol
[04:01] <gdh> Linux that /just/ works...
[04:01] <vicks> gdh: did you mean that i have to be in the /mnt to unmount?
[04:01] <mikl> well, you also seem to make this procedure overly complicated :P
[04:01] <gdh> vicks: No, exactly the opposite :)
[04:01] <vicks> =D ok
[04:01] <gdh> mikl:  I should be a consultant :)
[04:03] <vicks> now i get a: can't find a /mnt in fstab
[04:03] <vicks> is this line ok: /dev/hda1 /mnt/ ntfs defaults,uid=1000 0 0
[04:04] <Kamping_in_doze> drop hte second / in /mnt/
[04:04] <vicks> is it the /mnt/ that is wrong?
[04:04] <Kamping_in_doze> oder?
[04:09] <Kamping_in_doze> so vicks, try with just "/mnt" not "/mnt/" if you havent already
[04:09] <monk> i heard that ubuntu has openoffice2 in the repos, is this correct?
[04:09] <vicks> yes, i have. it took a little time, kate started crashing on me, so i had to abandone her
[04:10] <monk> and that kubuntu has kde 3.4 final?
[04:10] <Kamping_in_doze> monk, breezy does, not sure about hoary
[04:10] <gdh> monk: Yes to KDE 3.4
[04:10] <Kamping_in_doze> oh. ok vicks
[04:10] <vicks> but i have done the changes (i think), and mounted the disk but...same shit
[04:10] <monk> will it mess up on other debian based systems?
[04:10] <monk> or is it just straight 3.4
[04:11] <gdh> monk: why don't you try for us? :)
[04:11] <KaiL> monk: I had it in debian/sarge. Works.
[04:11] <Kamping_in_doze> vicks. can you past your /etc/fstab file to pastebin (iirc) or similar?
[04:11] <gdh> openoffice.org2 is in hoary
[04:11] <monk> lol
[04:11] <Kamping_in_doze> ok
[04:11] <monk> its in hoary, thanks
[04:11] <gdh> "1.9.79.2-0ubuntu2"
[04:14] <vicks> Kamping_in_doze: is there a way to do that from konsole? kate won't start
[04:14] <Tm_T> vicks: nano
[04:14] <Kamping_in_doze> cat hte files
[04:14] <Kamping_in_doze> then copy the text using your cursor
[04:14] <Kamping_in_doze> cat /etc/fstab
[04:14] <Tm_T> Kampi=)
[04:14] <Kamping_in_doze> copy it and paste to somewhere :P
[04:14] <Kamping_in_doze> hi tm_t
[04:15] <Tm_T> hi to all o/
[04:16] <vicks> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[04:16] <vicks> #
[04:16] <vicks> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[04:16] <vicks> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[04:16] <vicks> /dev/hdd1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[04:16] <vicks> /dev/hdd5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[04:16] <vicks> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[04:16] <vicks> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[04:16] <vicks> /dev/hda1 /mnt/ ntfs defaults,uid=1000 0 0
[04:16] <vicks> /dev/hda1 /mnt ntfs defaults,uid=0222 0 0
[04:17] <Kamping_in_doze> ok. well our echo didnt kill your system :)
[04:17] <vicks> seems like I added, the line instead of replacing it
[04:17] <Kamping_in_doze> remove the bottom /mnt/ line, and change the top one so the /mnt/ only has a preceeding /
[04:18] <Kamping_in_doze> you can remove with a # which is a comment
[04:20] <vicks> do i still use the echo command? can you show me how the syntax should be?
[04:20] <john6000_bog> how do i set the root password?
[04:20] <Kamping_in_doze> you need to edit the file by hand now, its going to be safest.
[04:20] <Kamping_in_doze> john sudo passwd root
[04:20] <Kamping_in_doze> so vicky
[04:20] <John6000> ok
[04:20] <John6000> thanks
[04:20] <Kamping_in_doze> nano /etc/fstab
[04:20] <Tm_T> Kamping_in_doze: damn you're faster than me =)
[04:20] <Kamping_in_doze> lol'
[04:21] <Kamping_in_doze> im on a roll
[04:21] <Tm_T> "that was MY line!"
[04:21] <Kamping_in_doze> lol
[04:21] <Tm_T> =)
[04:21] <Kamping_in_doze> sorry.
[04:21] <rinaldo> heoo
[04:21] <Tm_T> I'm glad we have more helpful people here :)
[04:21] <rinaldo> hello
[04:21] <Kamping_in_doze> :)
[04:21] <Kamping_in_doze> hi rinaldo
[04:21] <Tm_T> so thanks Kamping_in_doze, keep up the good work :)
[04:21] <rinaldo> hi 
[04:22] <vicks> is it ctrl+o to save? can't really read the description
[04:22] <Kamping_in_doze> tm_t. i use ubuntu, but i help here because this is short on help, but #ubuntus not :D
[04:22] <Kamping_in_doze> yes it is vicks
[04:22] <Kamping_in_doze> and ctrl+x to exit
[04:23] <vicks> HALLELUJAH!!!
[04:23] <Kamping_in_doze> :o
[04:23] <Kamping_in_doze> somthing gone right ?
[04:24] <mikl> vicks: amen :)
[04:24] <flykes> holy SHIT!!!!! LOOK: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=33409&ll=26.748651,-80.074550&spn=0.005622,0.007875&t=k&hl=en
[04:24] <vicks> everyting. i can access the drive now
[04:24] <Kamping_in_doze> sweet
[04:24] <flykes> sorry for the language.. but this is so so so so cool
[04:24] <Kamping_in_doze> what is it?
[04:24] <vicks> thanks a million Kamping_in_doze 
[04:24] <Kamping_in_doze> vicks. just remember you can NOT write
[04:24] <flykes> what do you think that is???? It's a friggin UFO!
[04:24] <Kamping_in_doze> otherwise, its all good
[04:24] <Kamping_in_doze> i havent looked. i want to know if its worth it
[04:25] <vicks> aha, ok...but STILL =)
[04:25] <vicks> and I learned some linux on the way
[04:25] <Kamping_in_doze> yes :). you can add write, as long as you are willing to loose the data :P
[04:25] <Kamping_in_doze> you did. register your nick on freenode an ill keep in touch :O
[04:25] <vicks> lol
[04:26] <vicks> ok, so how do I do that?
[04:26] <vicks> =)
[04:26] <Tm_T> =)
[04:26] <Kamping_in_doze> http://freenode.net/
[04:27] <Kamping_in_doze> here somewhere :P
[04:27] <Tm_T> hehe
[04:28] <vicks> i was awaiting something like: sudo reg /nick~ /mnt -s freenode
[04:28] <Kamping_in_doze> lol
[04:29] <Kamping_in_doze> its a bit like that, i just dont remember
[04:29] <Kamping_in_doze> type this in your irc prompt :
[04:29] <Kamping_in_doze>  /msg nickserv help
[04:30] <Kamping_in_doze> what you want is  /mng nickserv register, but you better read up a bit :D
[04:33] <Tm_T> :)
[04:34] <vicks> what the hell. suddenly the irc-server started to to refuse the /msg
[04:34] <Tm_T> I think I smile too much
[04:34] <Kamping_in_doze> you have a personality problem? ;) or biological?
[04:34] <Kamping_in_doze> :P <-- i do that to much
[04:34] <vicks> haha
[04:35] <Tm_T> Kamping_in_doze: I'm just too friendly =)
[04:35] <Kamping_in_doze> :) yep
[04:36] <Kamping_in_doze> btw vicks http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[04:37] <vicks> yep, seen it, done it (wrong), done it again (right)
[04:37] <Tm_T> =)
[04:38] <Kamping_in_doze> lol :)
[04:38] <vicks> so i think i 'm hereby a distinguished member of the freenode network
[04:38] <mikl> marvellous
[04:39] <vicks> mark the think. i dont trust textbased configurations anymore
[04:39] <Kamping_in_doze> :) 
[04:39] <Kamping_in_doze> :o no more cli config?
[04:40] <vicks> well, if i go with linux i doesn't seem like i can avoid it =) but anyway. thanks again everybody. i have to go. see you around!
[04:40] <Kamping_in_doze> see you mate
[04:41] <John6000> i cant entter admin mode in kde control centre
[04:42] <John6000> 1min
[04:42] <John6000> gtg
[04:42] <Kamping_in_doze> later
[04:42] <gdh> another happy customer :)
[04:43] <Kamping_in_doze> we hope so :)
[04:43] <andrewski> any devs in?
[04:44] <Kamping_in_doze> my god. i just read the channel title and realiesed : im useing breezy. im going down :S
[04:44] <andrewski> Kamping_in_doze: me too.  just don't update *everything* (many things break)
[04:44] <mikl> yes
[04:44] <mikl> my bogofilter is still broken :(
[04:45] <andrewski> you just have to be careful. :)
[04:45] <Kamping_in_doze> i havent been in linux for a week (worst week of my life), so its going to be a huge update
[04:45] <Kamping_in_doze> but yes, 
[04:45] <mikl> breezy is nice, but dangerous ;)
[04:45] <andrewski> Kamping_in_doze: just watch out for dbus and packages that use it.
[04:46] <mikl> for the real adventurous, there is also grumpy
[04:46] <andrewski> mikl: what's grumpy?
[04:46] <Kamping_in_doze> wtf? alreadY?
[04:46] <mikl> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GrumpyGroundhog
[04:46] <Kamping_in_doze> ohmygod ohgod.
[04:46] <mikl> a bit like debian sid
[04:46] <gdh> ah, like sid :)
[04:46] <gdh> heh
[04:47] <andrewski> mikl: or like BSD's CURRENT?
[04:47] <andrewski> oh geez, it tracks CVS changes?!
[04:47] <mikl> well, I don't know much about BSD, but I guess to
[04:47] <Kamping_in_doze> mikl, did you have to show me that? im going to change my sources list now :(
[04:48] <mikl> Kamping_in_doze: you be crazy, mon
[04:48] <Kamping_in_doze> yes, thats about me in 2 words
[04:48] <mikl> It's not really implemented yet ... :)
[04:50] <Kamping_in_doze> is it cvs or repositries?
[04:51] <mikl> not "is", will be
[04:51] <mikl> if you are interested, read http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GrumpyGroundhog
[04:51] <Kamping_in_doze> k ta
[05:08] <apollo2011> Hi everyone
[05:08] <apollo2011> I just installed Kubuntu in addition to SUSE on my computer
[05:09] <apollo2011> I was wondering how I edit the graphics/monitor settings.  In the setup I wanted to select 1024X1280 but hit enter instead of space and now I am in the system with a large black border around the screen becuase it is only using 1024X768.
[05:10] <Kamping_in_doze> using dpkg is the way i use
[05:10] <eduardo> oops, i entered hoping i could find a solution to the kdelibs problem... i executed the script, it's ok, but i have no crystal icons at all, i just see gears
[05:10] <eduardo> i though the script would solve it
[05:10] <apollo2011> ok Ill look at dpkg.  I assume sax2 isnt in ubuntu because I couldn't find it...
[05:11] <eduardo> since the problem was cause by the kdelibs package
[05:11] <Kamping_in_doze> apollo2011, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[05:11] <apollo2011> ok tyhx
[05:11] <Kamping_in_doze> sorry, nfi what sax is
[05:11] <mikl> apollo2011: sax2 as in python or what?
[05:11] <eduardo> the suse monitor configurator
[05:12] <mikl> oh
[05:12] <apollo2011> yeah it is in SUSE
[05:12] <eduardo> do you know what package should I reinstall to solve my problem?
[05:13] <mikl> eduardo: try kdeartwork
[05:14] <eduardo> thx mikl 
[05:14] <eduardo> trying right now
[05:14] <apollo2011> Kamping_in_doze: Some of the settings I don't know what to put in...
[05:15] <Kamping_in_doze> ok.
[05:15] <Kamping_in_doze> such as what atm?
[05:16] <Kamping_in_doze> grr. i wrote some instructions on using that tool, but they are not up on my webspace :S
[05:16] <Kamping_in_doze> feel free to look at any of this, hope none of its private :S http://www.users.on.net/~goetz/itshare/
[05:17] <Kamping_in_doze> some of it is, oh well.
[05:18] <apollo2011> well, first the driver, I assume nv since I have an nvidia card
[05:18] <Kamping_in_doze> yes
[05:21] <apollo2011> ok I made it through....How do I get the changed to apply? reboot?
[05:21] <apollo2011> *changes
[05:22] <Kamping_in_doze> you can, but do this in a system terminal (its going to kill X)
[05:22] <apollo2011> what do you mean?
[05:22] <Kamping_in_doze> *login* sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[05:22] <apollo2011> oh ok
[05:22] <Kamping_in_doze> press ctrl+alt+f key
[05:22] <Kamping_in_doze> thats f2
[05:22] <Kamping_in_doze> -> f6
[05:23] <apollo2011> k ill wait until kynaptic is done installing some extra packages I wanted....
[05:23] <Kamping_in_doze> yp :)
[05:25] <eduardo> kdeartwork doesnt seem to have solved the problem
[05:25] <eduardo> ill restart the session and see
[05:25] <Kamping_in_doze> http://arienh.homeip.net/owned/owned.jpg
[05:26] <eduardo> kdeartwork doesnt seem to have solved the problem
[05:26] <eduardo> ill restart the session and see
[05:26] <Kamping_in_doze> k mate
[05:28] <eduardo> nope
[05:28] <eduardo> didnt work at all :(
[05:29] <Kamping_in_doze> :S well i have to pass you on, and go to bed, its just about to hit 1am here
[05:30] <eduardo> oh, good nit kamping
[05:31] <Kamping_in_doze> night mate.
[05:33] <apollo2011> how do I know when kynaptic is done? It finished downloading and now everything is just grayed out in the main window
[05:40] <pussfeller> kynaptic is really still an unfinished app, you might be better with synaptic
[05:40] <pussfeller> that could change rapidly of course
[05:50] <ChaoticCoyote> I just installed kubuntu on an old laptoip; everything went exceptionally well. Now a couple of questions: I'm in kynaptic, adding a few more packages. I don't see Abiword or KOffice... are they there?
[05:56] <bdmp> do a search with find 
[05:56] <bdmp> it is in the tool bar at the top
[05:58] <ChaoticCoyote> What is the root password? The install never asked.
[05:59] <bdmp> there is none
[05:59] <bdmp> you enter sudo before a command
[05:59] <Tm_T> heh, finally I got my blog up and running
[05:59] <bdmp> and enter your user pass
[05:59] <Tm_T> that was easy =)
[05:59] <bdmp> try it
[05:59] <eduardo> does anyone have an idea on how i could restore my default icons?
[06:00] <bdmp> in the kde user control panel
[06:00] <eduardo> no, i mean
[06:00] <eduardo> i select the default theme
[06:00] <eduardo> but the last apt update
[06:00] <eduardo> broke it
[06:00] <eduardo> in some way
[06:00] <bdmp> oh
[06:00] <bdmp> i don't know
[06:00] <eduardo> i tried reinstalling kdeartwork
[06:00] <eduardo> nothing happened
[06:00] <eduardo> reinstalling kdelibs and kdelibs-data
[06:01] <eduardo> nothing happened
[06:01] <ChaoticCoyote> Hmmm... I just refreshed my package list, and kynaptic still doesn't list Abiword or KOffice
[06:01] <bdmp> what about a new theme
[06:01] <_john> hello
[06:01] <gdh> ChaoticCoyote: You need to add the universe repository
[06:01] <_john> sorry to ask again but how do you make the root passowrd?
[06:01] <gdh> ChaoticCoyote: open a shell, type sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:01] <bdmp> did you search for it?
[06:01] <ChaoticCoyote> gdh" How do I do that?
[06:01] <gdh> remove the comment from the 'universe' line, then save (ctrl-x)
[06:01] <_john> sorry to ask again but how do you make the root passowrd?
[06:01] <gdh> _john: you don't need one. get over it :)
[06:02] <eduardo> bdmp: new themes work, but there are some icons
[06:02] <buz> run "sudo passwd"
[06:02] <eduardo> those theme dont have
[06:02] <_john> but in the apckage manager it asks me for root password
[06:02] <gdh> you type in your own password
[06:02] <gdh> as it suggests =)
[06:02] <gdh> your user account has full sudo rights
[06:02] <_john> oh
[06:02] <_john> thanks
[06:03] <eduardo> i have no menu k icon, no digikam icon
[06:04] <eduardo> maybe it has to do with the default.kde simlink
[06:04] <_john> in packages if something has -dav after it what does iut mean
[06:05] <_john> -dev*
[06:05] <ChaoticCoyote> bdmp: Okay, I just need to think like a Debian user again... thanks
[06:05] <_john> in packages if something has -dev after it what does it mean
[06:06] <_john> any1
[06:06] <ChaoticCoyote> gdh: Thanks, that solved it
[06:06] <gdh> =)
[06:06] <bdmp> good luck
[06:06] <_john> gdh can yyou help
[06:06] <gdh> they are development files
[06:06] <_john> do i need them
[06:06] <gdh> they're only needed if you want to compile other software
[06:07] <_john> oh 
[06:07] <_john> ok thanks again
[06:07] <_john> :D
[06:07] <gdh> =)
[06:07] <_john> whats kwin?
[06:07] <gdh> the kde window manager
[06:07] <_john> oh
[06:08] <_john> sorry for all the questions
[06:08] <_john> =D
[06:08] <gdh> please don't go through a running process list and ask 'what's ____?' =)
[06:08] <_john> ok
[06:09] <eduardo> i found the problem
[06:09] <eduardo> i just don't have those files
[06:10] <eduardo> in the proccess of updating
[06:10] <eduardo> some icons just were lost
[06:10] <eduardo> where could i get them?
[06:10] <eduardo> (or what to reinstall to get them)
[06:10] <eduardo> you told me kdeartwork, but thats not the package
[06:25] <neom> Is there a keyboard shortcut to bring up a "run" box like windows has?
[06:27] <Tm_T> neom: I think there is
[06:27] <psn> neom: alt-f2
[06:27] <neom> ty
[06:27] <Tm_T> heh, that combination doesn't work in my desktop :)
[06:28] <neom> What "command" do I need to run to get a terminal window up?
[06:28] <psn> neom: konsole
[06:28] <neom> oh, right, duh.
[06:29] <gdh> neom: Control Centre -> Regional + Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[06:29] <gdh> =)
[06:29] <neom> my dad stole my mouse on my nix box, so I have to use synergy to connect to my PC to use the mouse there. :(
[06:30] <gdh> Mice have come down a lot in price thesedays, you know ;)
[06:30] <neom> lol, I know.
[06:30] <neom> I should just grab the one under my desk and plug it in, but I'm too lazy to bend over. :(
[06:31] <shiv> how do u run a script?
[06:31] <shiv> I need to se this http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh 
[06:32] <gdh> use 'wget' to download that file, then type "bash kdelibs-debug.sh"
[06:32] <John6000> 
[06:35] <eduardo> where can i find
[06:35] <eduardo> the default crustalsvg
[06:35] <eduardo> icon theme
[06:35] <eduardo> for kde 3.4?
[06:35] <eduardo> crystalsvg, i meant
[06:38] <Riddell> eduardo: in kdelibs and kdebase and all the other packages
[06:38] <Riddell> kdelibs-data and kdebase-data most likely
[06:41] <eduardo> i've tried kdelibs-data
[06:41] <eduardo> im trying kdebase-data
[06:41] <eduardo> thx
[06:43] <eduardo> apt-get install --reinstall kdebase-data
[06:43] <eduardo> thats the command im using
[06:43] <eduardo> is it ok?
[06:47] <misieq> hi there!
[06:47] <misieq> i have a question
[06:47] <misieq> i've just set up my kubuntu (ubuntu + apt-get install kubuntu-desktop)
[06:48] <misieq> and after reboot i got kdm but it is in terrible resolution & refreshing
[06:49] <shiv> how do i get my trashcan to dsktop
[06:49] <misieq> how can i set a bigger resolution & refreshing?
[06:49] <shiv> i do not know how to create shortcut
[06:49] <shiv> :(
[06:50] <sashmit> shiv: open the trash, and drag the icon next to where it says "trash:/" in the toolbar to the desktop
[06:50] <misieq> how can i change resoluiton?
[06:50] <misieq> krandrtray gives me no more than 640x480
[06:50] <sashmit> misieq: right click on desktop->Configure Desktop->Display
[06:51] <misieq> but it gives me no more than 640x480
[06:51] <misieq> and when i used gdm i had 1280x960
[06:52] <shiv> its asking me to rename it to some other name trash.desktop
[06:52] <shiv> i did that but I can't see it ondesktop thogh it shows on the home/desktop folder
[06:53] <misieq> where is the config file for kdm?
[06:54] <misieq> is anybody here??
[06:58] <Tm_T> hi shiv 
[06:58] <Tm_T> misieq: /etc/kde3/kdm maybe somewhere there?
[07:04] <John6000> hello sorry for the stupid question but how do you delete files in ternimal del doesnt work
[07:04] <kkathman> Hey all L(
[07:04] <kkathman> oops :)
[07:04] <kkathman> wassup?
[07:05] <Tm_T> kkathman: hullo!
[07:05] <kkathman> Tm_T got weird things goin on this morning
[07:05] <Tm_T> kkathman: look what I got! =) http://tmtravolta.kapsi.fi/blog/
[07:05] <Tm_T> kkathman: oh, tell me :)
[07:06] <John6000>  hello sorry for the stupid question but how do you delete files in ternimal del doesnt work
[07:06] <kkathman> well I turned off all my computers last night, cuz we had storms
[07:06] <Tm_T> kkathman: you should unplug the power cable
[07:06] <kkathman> Rebooted this morning...my main Linux and it comes up in 640x320 mode with no other options
[07:07] <kkathman> rebooted again, and now its back up just fine ??????
[07:07] <Tm_T> kkathman: extra electricity in computer case, thats all
[07:07] <kkathman> wonder what thats all about?
[07:07] <kkathman> ohhh now I dont believe that :)
[07:08] <kkathman> I have a power surge box and an APC
[07:08] <Tm_T> heh
[07:08] <Tm_T> well, you never know...
[07:08] <kkathman> so I wasnt worried too much, but I always shut down the puters when there are bad storms, but not when there are just showers
[07:08] <kkathman> seems to be OK now...how strange
[07:09] <kkathman> hold On Im gonna switch over to the linux box ..brb
[07:09] <kkathman> ok back
[07:10] <kkathman> that was quite odd
[07:12] <kkathman> so Tm_T what was it you got, I didnt get to see
[07:12] <Tm_T> kkathman: http://tmtravolta.kapsi.fi/blog/
[07:13] <Tm_T> kkathman: I just can't tell should I write english or finnish
[07:14] <kkathman> Well you could do both Tm_T   of course I cant understand a bit of Finnish, Im afraid :)
[07:14] <Tm_T> =)
[07:14] <kkathman> My blog is at www.xanga.com/korkster
[07:14] <Tm_T> kkathman: Ill try english :)
[07:15] <kkathman> I think you do very well with English, Tm_T :)
[07:16] <Tm_T> maybe =)
[07:16] <kkathman> Darn I wish I could have gotten that Koffice to work :(
[07:16] <Tm_T> uh, you still have trouble with it?
[07:17] <kkathman> by the way, Im trying to remove all the files now, and they are coded as read only...how do I change the files to rw so I can delete the directory with an rm -r ?
[07:17] <kkathman> oh yeah I couldnt get that ./configure to ever work with a correct prefix
[07:18] <kkathman> I figure there is a command line thing to set all the files in a directory to read-write from read-only
[07:19] <Tm_T> chmod -R 777 foo
[07:19] <Tm_T> and voil, all users have full privileges
[07:19] <kkathman> hmmm just chmod?
[07:19] <kkathman> hmm ok
[07:19] <kkathman> guess I was trying to make it harder
[07:20] <Tm_T> heh
[07:22] <kkathman> so sometimes that option is -r  and sometimes its -R   on commands whats the big difference?
[07:22] <kkathman> like its rm -r    but chmod -R
[07:22] <Tm_T> well, normally they are the same
[07:22] <kkathman> ahh ok
[07:22] <Tm_T> but not always, so I use -R
[07:22] <kkathman> was hoping so
[07:22] <Tm_T> just to be sure :p
[07:23] <kkathman> ok  good rule of thumb
[07:23] <kkathman> yeah I was looking forward to trying out KOffice, but its prolly best to try it once they get it fully released and in at least a deb...if not a complete pkg
[07:24] <Tm_T> heh
[07:30] <amichai> does anyone know if there is a gui tool for unpacking .deb packages? I want to give kubuntu to my customers, but avoiding them using terminal.
[07:30] <psn> amichai: kynaptic
[07:31] <amichai> psn: how would i get them to use kynaptic to install a package that they downloaded from a site?
[07:32] <psn> amichai: hmm not sure kynaptic supports that yet... I only use the repositories
[07:33] <kkathman> amichai: kynaptic wont do that
[07:33] <amichai> kkathman: synaptic does right?
[07:33] <kkathman> amichai: no, not from a site
[07:33] <kkathman> amichai: synaptic and kynaptic are just front ends for apt-get so they only work on repositories
[07:33] <amichai> kkathman: so its only once i've installed it even from a site that it lists it? it lists my skype 
[07:34] <amichai> kkathman: i could make my own repo for my customers?
[07:34] <psn> amichai: hmm kpackage might handle it though
[07:34] <kkathman> amichai: well thats coincidental I think, because skype is also in your repositories
[07:35] <amichai> kkathman: but limewire isnt, or is it? cos that is also listed and the ati driver i downloaded from www.ati.com is also. in addition to fglrx
[07:35] <kkathman> generally, if you see a pkg on a site, its good to check to see if its in your repositories by doing an apt-cache search on it
[07:35] <amichai> kkathman: ok
[07:36] <kkathman> I could be wrong, but I am almost certain that those gui's only work on apt-get like things
[07:36] <amichai> i'll look into it
[07:36] <amichai> anyone know how i can change my background image for my home folder?
[07:36] <kkathman> you can check...just do an apt-cache search on the pkg
[07:37] <kkathman> on JUST the home folder?
[07:37] <yahalom> kkathman: on all of them, just my background is blue and it makes my letters seem faded
[07:38] <kkathman> hmm isnt that a setting in the control center?
[07:38] <kkathman> cuz I dont think its a Konq particular setting
[07:39] <kkathman> I'd have to monkey around with it
[07:39] <yahalom> kkathman: yeah ur right, i found it
[07:39] <yahalom> kkathman: thanx
[07:41] <kkathman> yahlom where did you find that btw?
[07:43] <yahalom> kkathman: i didnt. i thought i did.
[07:43] <yahalom> kkathman: :)
[07:43] <kkathman> ohh ok..hehe  was wondering, I was looking for it
[07:43] <yahalom> kkathman: still looking, its not in the control center
[07:44] <kkathman> yeah I stand corrected on that
[07:44] <kkathman> but I know Ive seen that someplace
[07:44] <Cybermagellan> Anyone here using Kubuntu on a Mac?
[07:45] <neom> I'm using it on a pc, does that count? :)
[07:45] <Cybermagellan> Um, no
[07:45] <yahalom> kkathman: ok i found how to change the text color, that is in konqueror
[07:45] <Cybermagellan> But thanks for playing
[07:46] <yahalom> kkathman: my konqui crashes quite a bit, any ideas?
[07:46] <kkathman> yahalom yep I knew how to do that...my backgound in konq is like a watermark K 
[07:47] <kkathman> yahalom:  I dont have any probs with konq, but then I dont use it for browsing...I use Firefox or Opera
[07:47] <yahalom> kkathman: yeah i remember. so how did u changed ur background in konqui?
[07:48] <yahalom> kkathman: my issue is when i watch a live stream in konqui it loads to 30% and then crashes
[07:51] <kkathman> yahalom: hmmm..I didnt change my background in konq...its always been that watermark K
[07:51] <kkathman> yahalom:  you probably should use totem as your default stream watcher
[07:52] <kkathman> thats what I did
[07:52] <yahalom> kkathman: so just change the default, ok i'll see
[07:52] <kkathman> But totem has its own issues...it always opens to near fullscreen so you have to constantly adjust it
[07:53] <kkathman> yahalom:  yes you do that in control center under components and file associations
[07:53] <kkathman> but on my system totem was the default
[07:53] <yahalom> kkathman: how do i change the defautl player? i'm in the control center, dont see anythign there
[07:54] <kkathman> yahalom:  look up ... put it there
[07:54] <kkathman> control center -> components ->file associations
[07:54] <kkathman> then pick video
[07:54] <yahalom> kkathman: ok
[07:54] <yahalom> kkathman: was in wrong place
[07:54] <kkathman> weird that it wasnt defaulted there
[07:56] <yahalom> kkathman: ok this is the cool part in kde ;)
[07:56] <yahalom> kkathman: lol no wonders its using kaboodle
[07:57] <kkathman> ahhh hehe
[07:59] <yahalom> kkathman: i dont even know why i have kaboodle, anyone use it?
[08:00] <kkathman> hmmm I'm just guessing here, but I'll bet you installed using the kubuntu CD?
[08:00] <yahalom> kkathman: damn it. still crashes
[08:00] <kkathman> I think Totem is a Gnome application
[08:00] <yahalom> kkathman: yes
[08:00] <kkathman> and I installed using hoary ubuntu, and that made totem my default
[08:01] <kkathman> so hence the difference, kaboodle is the KDE app
[08:01] <yahalom> kkathman: wait. no i isntalled ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop
[08:01] <kkathman> yahalom:  oh..hmm interesting, well there goes my theory
[08:01] <yahalom> kkathman: i use kaffeine and kplayer
[08:02] <kkathman> I was thinking that when you install straight hoary, it would make totem the default, but if you installed via kubuntu, it would make kaboodle the default
[08:02] <kkathman> kaffeine is a good audio player, but you have to watch it, it takes over the CPU
[08:02] <kkathman> even when you shut it down
[08:03] <kkathman> hmm 6 updates today 
[08:03] <kkathman> been lots of updates to hoary lately
[08:03] <yahalom> kkathman: kplayer is really simple and good
[08:03] <yahalom> kkathman: ever used it?
[08:04] <yahalom> kkathman: if u would check my debugging would u see the prob?
[08:05] <kkathman> yeah I used Kplayer once, but in general, my linux box doesnt use sound
[08:06] <kkathman> my win-box has a very good sound system
[08:06] <kkathman> so thats what I use
[08:06] <yahalom> my konqui keeps crashing when i playm videos could someone check this out and maybe help me:http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/284227 
[08:07] <kkathman> In general, linux lags behind windows in almost everything multimedia
[08:07] <yahalom> kkathman: i dont use windows anymore, so its not an option
[08:07] <kkathman> I understand
[08:07] <yahalom> kkathman: i dont know, if u get all the non-free stuff ur ok, i never couldnt watch or listen to something cos of linux, even my half-life 2 runs better on linux
[08:08] <kkathman> I am not a fanatic about Linux...I enjoy using it because of its performance and speed and open source apps
[08:09] <kkathman> yahalom: well, I think as long as your requirements are low with regard to multimedia, you are fine...but for the most part linux still depends on the microsoft based codecs
[08:09] <kkathman> or at least the equivalent
[08:10] <kkathman> but if you want to get into heavy visual graphics design, or heavy video editing, etc...linux isnt there yet
[08:10] <yahalom> kkathman: right, but we have them. i have friends who switched to back to windows, cos of games, to me that is a silly reason to use such a security hole, u can always find a way in linux
[08:10] <yahalom> kkathman: the biggest issue to me are webcams nows, but even the can work.
[08:10] <yahalom> kkathman: i gtg man, take care :)
[08:10] <Livingstone__> kcontrol samba part doenst work :'(
[08:10] <kkathman> And part of that problem is that the linux "culture" poo poo's any commercial involvement, and for those kinds of apps, you need commericial involvement
[08:11] <kkathman> samba doesnt work for you Livingstone__ ?
[08:11] <Livingstone__> samba works fine
[08:12] <kkathman> oh ok
[08:12] <Livingstone__> its the kde samba configurator kcmsamba
[08:12] <kkathman> ohhh
[08:12] <kkathman> hmm
[08:12] <kkathman> I configured my samba manually anyway
[08:13] <kkathman> its basically just the smb.conf file and then setting up a credentials file 
[08:13] <Livingstone__> yes, thats the best options, but just want to enjoy the kcmsamba for first time
[08:13] <KaiL> uhm, we already have some samba conf tool in kubuntu, so why use another?
[08:14] <kkathman> like I said...I didnt use it at all
[08:14] <Livingstone__> KaiL:  I mean the samba conf tool shipped with kubuntu on kcontro->network->smaba
[08:14] <KaiL> ah, ok
[08:14] <KaiL> and in which way it doesn't work?
[08:14] <Livingstone__> its in user mode, I press admin mode and just hangs
[08:15] <KaiL> could you try with some other kcontrol module, if the admin mode works there?
[08:15] <gdh> not something crap like the ksudo prompt is at the back of the window stack?
[08:15] <kkathman> mine works fine
[08:15] <kkathman> prompts for password
[08:16] <kkathman> then off its goes
[08:16] <KaiL> we had several reports about kcontrol admin mode doesn't want to work after upgrading kdelibs
[08:16] <Livingstone__> the others works fine :S
[08:16] <KaiL> ...and reinstalling kcontrol (apt-get --reinstall install kcontrol) helped there
[08:16] <KaiL> hmm
[08:16] <kkathman> KaiL:  you mean even after your script fix KaiL  ?
[08:17] <KaiL> kkathman: look at the last line in the script ;)
[08:17] <kkathman> cuz I have not experienced that defect as yet
[08:17] <KaiL> the script fixes that too
[08:17] <kkathman> thats cuz you rock dude  LOL
[08:17] <KaiL> maybe we also need to reinstall that samba stuff
[08:18] <kkathman> Uhm..I dunno, like I said, I just tried my network settings and admin...works fine
[08:18] <kkathman> and I used your script
[08:18] <KaiL> sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdenetwork-filesharing
[08:18] <kkathman> KaiL:  they did fix all the kdelibs issues, so if they re-release that it will be ok?
[08:18] <KaiL> Livingstone__: could you try that?
[08:19] <Livingstone__> KaiL: going...
[08:19] <KaiL> kkathman: the overwriting problem will be done with a new knetworkconf
[08:20] <Livingstone__> KaiL: now just works!!
[08:20] <Livingstone__> KaiL:  thanks
[08:20] <KaiL> the /etc/kderc will be fixed with the gcc4 transition
[08:20] <KaiL> Livingstone__: oh ;/
[08:20] <kkathman> well, what I mean, is say they wish to do an update to kdelibs...if we do the update will we need a correction script again?
[08:21] <KaiL> ...updated fix-scripts
[08:21] <kkathman> ohh :(
[08:21] <kkathman> hmm
[08:25] <shiv> i have weird issues with sound,  sometimes its present sometimes not
[08:26] <shiv> everytime i reboot I am not sure if it wil come back
[08:26] <shiv> any help?
[08:28] <ksut> is it possible to write to reiserfs partitions in kubuntu?
[08:28] <gdh> ksut: Of course, reiserfs is just a linux kernel module
[08:29] <ksut> then what do I put into the fstab...I seem to have gotten them mounted but not writeable
[08:30] <gdh> Sounds like you just need to set permissions on your mountpoint
[08:30] <ksut> oh I forgot about that. ill go look
[08:31] <gdh> you also might need to umount before doing that... not sure..
[08:31] <ksut> yeah its set to view only for normal users
[08:31] <ksut> how do I edit them without being root?
[08:31] <ksut> or using sudo etc...
[08:32] <ksut> I also can't seem to load any of the programs I just added from kynaptic including firefox, thunderbird, and xmms....
[08:32] <gdh> if the mountpoint is owned by root in mode 755.. then you don't have much choice but sudo
[08:33] <gdh> what do you get if you just type 'xmms' from a konsole ?
[08:33] <ksut> yeah but what I meant to ask, was how do I edit the permissions then from the console
[08:33] <gdh> ksut: ah cool, chown ksut /mnt/point
[08:33] <gdh> assuming your username is 'ksut'
[08:34] <ksut> ok
[08:34] <ksut> ksut@Playroom1-Ubuntu:~$ xmms
[08:34] <ksut> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:34] <ksut> Segmentation fault
[08:34] <ksut> ksut@Playroom1-Ubuntu:~$
[08:34] <gdh> ouch
[08:34] <ksut> ...
[08:34] <gdh> what about firefox?
[08:35] <gdh> incidentally I can recommend beep-media-player as an xmms replacement... works identically, uses GTK2 so looks much nicer
[08:36] <ksut> I seem to message repeating infinitely about running a disk image on MacOS X
[08:36] <ksut> when I type firefox
[08:36] <ksut> could it be somehow some libs failed to get installed?
[08:38] <gdh> For the record, I get the same libmikmod error when I run xmms
[08:38] <gdh> but... xmms /does/ open and run
[08:38] <ksut> I installed kubuntu this morning and firefox/thunderbird didn't run but xmms did.  Then I installed the kdeartwork and it kind of screwed up the ubuntu kde integration so I reinstalled and now xmms won't even load
[08:38] <ksut> hmm
[08:38] <ksut> I had it run this morning
[08:39] <ksut> before I did a clean install
[08:39] <_simple> uh firefox1.0.3 isn't int he apt-cache how do i update that so it is?
[08:39] <Tm_T> _simple: eh, you mean 1.0.4?
[08:39] <gdh> _simple: 1.0.3  or 1.0.4 aren't in Ubuntu yet
[08:39] <_simple> ah
[08:39] <Tm_T> gdh: actually they are
[08:39] <_simple> and 1.0.2 isn't either?
[08:40] <gdh> _simple: The security fix is included in the new updates, just no new features
[08:40] <_simple> nah, well last i checked on knoppix it was only 1.0.3
[08:40] <Tm_T> oh, that's true
[08:40] <gdh> Tm_T: In hoary , tho?
[08:40] <_simple> but if 1.0.4 has been realesed in the database for sure that one
[08:40] <Tm_T> gdh: sorry, my mistake :)
[08:40] <gdh> =)
[08:40] <ksut> gdh: I uninstalled firefox from kynaptic and reinstalled it and it ran
[08:40] <Tm_T> gdh: but what new features?
[08:40] <thoreauputic> _simple: the release number doesn't change, but the patches are included in the latest updates
[08:40] <gdh> Tm_T: Who knows? I only use Konq...
[08:40] <_simple> oh, well i don't have firefox at all
[08:40] <gdh> ksut: Computers are fun, eh? :)
[08:41] <ksut> yep
[08:41] <_simple> and i want to use apt-get to install it
[08:41] <ksut> ill try it with all the other apps
[08:41] <thoreauputic> gdh: the package name is mozilla-firefox
[08:42] <thoreauputic> oops that was for _simple 
[08:42] <gdh> :)
[08:42] <_simple> yes
[08:42] <_simple> when i do apt-cace search mozilla
[08:42] <gdh> thoreauputic: Was about to snap 'Yes and your point is?' =)
[08:42] <thoreauputic> gdh: :)
[08:42] <_simple> it just comes up with like 50 different language packages or something
[08:42] <_simple> that's it
[08:42] <thoreauputic> _simple: mozilla-firefox
[08:43] <_simple> yes
[08:43] <_simple> mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb - Mozilla Firefox English language/region package?
[08:43] <_simple> looksl ike some package not an install of it
[08:43] <_simple> that's the only result from mozilla-firefox
[08:44] <thoreauputic> _simple: there are multiple lines here: scrolling down I find
[08:44] <thoreauputic> mozilla-firefox - lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
[08:45] <gdh> lightweight :)
[08:45] <_simple> simple@simpleb0x:~$ apt-cache search mozilla-firefox
[08:45] <_simple> mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb - Mozilla Firefox English language/region package
[08:45] <_simple> simple@simpleb0x:~$     
[08:45] <_simple> no there isn't
[08:45] <_simple> there is one.
[08:45] <thoreauputic> _simple: possibly your sources file is broken?
[08:45] <_simple> how do i know?
[08:45] <thoreauputic> _simple: have you done ` sudo apt-get update ` ?
[08:45] <_simple> yeah
[08:46] <thoreauputic> well, firefox is in main, so your /etc/apt/sources.list must be wrong
[08:46] <_simple> how can i make it right o:
[08:47] <_simple> i never edited the list
[08:47] <thoreauputic> _simple: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:47] <_simple> yeah
[08:47] <_simple> i think i've done that before
[08:47] <_simple> and i get like all errors
[08:47] <_simple> i'll try again
[08:48] <thoreauputic> _simple: you need at least main and preferably universe : also the security repos
[08:49] <thoreauputic> _simple: add multiverse if you need non-free codecs and such
[08:49] <_simple> i might need it, i know nothing
[08:50] <gdh> Generally, if you want mplayer you need it :)
[08:50] <_simple> mplayer?
[08:51] <_simple> i don't even have sound set up
[08:51] <_simple> blasted intel integrated chips
[08:51] <_simple> i follow tihs like four step guide, and get nothing but errors :D
[08:53] <gdh> Ah it was so much easier when you had to set the IO port, IRQ, DMA channel for sound =)
[08:53] <_simple> well being so non difficult, i'd expect no errors was a point
[09:01] <Cybermagellan> Anyone using Kubuntu on a Mac?
[09:01] <Cybermagellan> for some reason my mac wont burn the .iso
[09:02] <thoreauputic> Cybermagellan: known issue - it's a bug in the mac CD burning utility
[09:02] <Cybermagellan> So how can I burn it?
[09:02] <Cybermagellan> Can't on a PC can I?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> Cybermagellan: do you have another non-mac box you can access? That would be easiest
[09:03] <Cybermagellan> I have a PC yeah....
[09:03] <thoreauputic> Cybermagellan: sure you can burn the ISO on a PC
[09:03] <Cybermagellan> That's what I'm on right now....
[09:03] <thoreauputic> it's just an iso
[09:03] <Cybermagellan> Since when could PC's burn Mac?
[09:03] <thoreauputic> Cybermagellan: you aren't burning "Mac" you're burning an .ISO image :)
[09:04] <thoreauputic> which in this case is a Linux distro CD anyway
[09:04] <Cybermagellan> Right...I thought the file systems were different and the way they were burnt
[09:04] <Cybermagellan> It's wierd burning Kubuntu from Ubuntu
[09:04] <thoreauputic> >ISO *is* a file system
[09:05] <Cybermagellan> OK, so it just compacts the way it is supposed to be laid out?
[09:05] <thoreauputic> Cybermagellan: don't worry about the technicalities - just burn it as an iso
[09:06] <Cybermagellan> LOL....I am
[09:06] <thoreauputic> Cybermagellan: right click the file in Nautilus and choose burn
[09:06] <Cybermagellan> do I still have to press c when booting
[09:06] <Cybermagellan> yeah I am burning now
[09:06] <thoreauputic> Cybermagellan: yes, press c to boot  a CD
[09:06] <Cybermagellan> right
[09:07] <thoreauputic> Cybermagellan: if it's a laptop you might have to insert the CD while OS-X is running, then rebooot holding down "c"
[09:07] <Cybermagellan> No it's a blueberry G3
[09:07] <thoreauputic> OK
[09:13] <ThierryF59> Bonsoir les gens !
[09:13] <Cybermagellan> um, sure?
[09:16] <ThierryF59> Une question pour des gens qui savent ! Je viens de pass sous Kubuntu aprs avoir t sous Ubuntu! j'ai un souci avec le mode administrateur dans le centre de conf de KDE il le prend mais le valide pas ! comment faire vu qu'a l'install cela fonctionnait ?
[09:18] <ThierryF59> peut on lancer le centre de conf kde depuis un terminal en sudo et si oui quel est la commande ?
[09:20] <ThierryF59> parlez vous francais sur ce chan svp ?
[09:20] <ThierryF59> ou y a t'il personne ?
[09:21] <ThierryF59> et bien on ne peut pas dire... avec Kubuntu on se sent bien seul
[09:22] <ThierryF59> SVP faite juste Bouh! pour vous s'il y a quelqu'un ! lol
[09:23] <Choubaka> ThierryF59: No french on this channel. :/
[09:23] <judax> sorry :(
[09:23] <ThierryF59> i anderstand now
[09:24] <thoreauputic> ThierryF59: /join #ubuntu-fr
[09:24] <ThierryF59> i don't speack englich, it is reason
[09:24] <Choubaka> try joining #ubuntu-fr
[09:24] <judax> no worries
[09:25] <gdh> ThierryF59: Your English is still better than many I've seen here :)
[09:25] <Choubaka> or #kubuntu-fr
[09:25] <Choubaka> :)
[09:25] <ThierryF59> ok je vous remercie
[09:25] <thoreauputic> ThierryF59: tu trouveras des Francais sur le canal #ubuntu-fr
[09:25] <ThierryF59> sorry ! ;-)
[09:25] <ThierryF59> mdr a un francais ! lol
[09:25] <gdh> pas de probleme, bon soir =)
[09:26] <ThierryF59> merci
[09:26] <Cybermagellan> LOL...10 mins of showing my wife Kubuntu on her mac and now she wants me to install it
[09:28] <Choubaka> :D
[09:28] <thoreauputic> Cybermagellan: I hardly ever boot OS-X on my iBook these days :)
[09:28] <thoreauputic> Cybermagellan: heh - an easy convert then  - good stuff !
[09:29] <Cybermagellan> is there a disk install part to the LiveCD or do I have to download and burn the install CD?
[09:30] <thoreauputic> Cybermagellan: you need the install CD currently
[09:30] <thoreauputic> Cybermagellan: I believe a combined CD is planned for Breezy
[09:30] <Cybermagellan> Cool
[09:31] <sixth> hey guys....got some major problems with my machine, i am running kubuntu, when i log in i got error saying "can not start kde panel" or something along those lings
[09:33] <sixth> now when i boot into kde i dont have any panel on the bootm
[09:33] <sixth> nothing at all
[09:33] <sixth> any ideas?
[09:33] <sixth> the last thing i installed was some kdelibs
[09:35] <Choubaka> it's borken :/
[09:35] <msb> how i can zoom in mplayer
[09:35] <sixth> somethign is serisouly broken
[09:35] <msb> picture is just 1/9 of screen and i want whole screen
[09:35] <judax> sixth: it is the kdelibs install it is messed up
[09:36] <msb> window resizes mut video dont
[09:36] <sixth> shoot
[09:36] <sixth> sob...any thing to do to fix?
[09:36] <judax> sixth: cant remember the exact process to fix, I did it already, there are plenty of good threads on forum
[09:36] <judax> sixth: that tell you how to fix, it is easy dont worry
[09:36] <sixth> aight i am gonna go do some searching
[09:36] <sixth> aight awesome thanks so much
[09:36] <judax> sixth: search kdelibs
[09:37] <sixth> ok 
[09:37] <Choubaka> msb: press f?
[09:37] <msb> what should happen? :D
[09:37] <judax> sixth: ?
[09:37] <Choubaka> or if you started mplayer from the command line, make sure you give it the "-zoom" option
[09:37] <Choubaka> msb: full screen
[09:38] <sixth> judax, yeah i am searchin now
[09:39] <judax> sixth: there is a script that I used that works nice to get all your panel settings and such back
[09:39] <sixth> is it on the forums/
[09:39] <judax> sixth: go to dcc chat
[09:39] <sixth> ok one sec
[09:39] <sixth> i cant get my network cards to work either
[09:39] <sixth> so i dunno if that would help anyway
[09:40] <sixth> kubuntu is on my laptop
[09:41] <judax> sixth: kk, check the forums, you can back some stuff out
[09:41] <yahalom> can anyone help me with konqueror crashing everytime i play a stream?
[09:41] <Octane> should i install kubuntu
[09:41] <Octane> i once tried ubuntu and got los\t
[09:42] <sixth> judax: yeah i am reading a thread now
[09:42] <Octane> and now my fc3 hdd crapped out so im thinking about it again
[09:42] <yahalom> Octane: what issues?
[09:43] <yahalom> Octane: got lost?
[09:43] <Octane> yahalom
[09:43] <Octane> are you israeli?
[09:44] <yahalom> Octane: yes
[09:45] <Octane> me too
[09:45] <Octane> anyway, im not sure where i got lost
[09:45] <yahalom> Octane: cool ;)
[09:45] <Octane> but i remember i did
[09:45] <yahalom> Octane: check out www.ubuntu.org.il
[09:45] <Octane> i think when i was using apt
[09:45] <yahalom> Octane: what about apt didnt u get?
[09:45] <Octane> oh i get apt, thats not the problem
[09:45] <yahalom> Octane: did u try kynaptic?
[09:46] <Octane> i forget, it was a few monhts ago, i just gave up and went fc3
[09:46] <Octane> but now im thinking of going to kubuntu agian
[09:48] <yahalom> Octane: i used fc3 before. fc3 is good. its all about what u prefer. i personally prefer debian type distros.
[09:48] <yahalom> Octane: it doesnt make sense that kubuntu wouldnt have worked though
[09:48] <Octane> yahalom: im not worried about the past, just about what i should install now
[09:49] <yahalom> Octane: i recommend u install ubuntu, and then apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[09:49] <yahalom> Octane: then u'll have gnome and kde
[09:50] <msb> this sucks if i cant zoom that video without konsole
[09:50] <msb> :|
[09:50] <yahalom> msb: ?
[09:50] <msb> mplayer.
[09:51] <yahalom> msb: explain :)
[09:51] <msb> picture is only 1/9 of monitor 
[09:51] <yahalom> Octane: ?
[09:51] <Octane> ani lo yachol lirot ivrit
[09:51] <msb> and mplayer window is full screen
[09:51] <yahalom> Octane: lama lo?
[09:52] <Tm_T> msb: o/
[09:52] <thoreauputic> msb: either install xine, or enable "software zooming" in the mplayer configuration file
[09:52] <yahalom> Octane: ok, what ur going to do, well at least ur hebrew issue will be solved with apt :)
[09:52] <Octane> yahalom: ze windows ve ani mishtamesh be mirc amerikai
[09:52] <Octane> yahalom: ani gar be new york
[09:52] <thoreauputic> msb: personally I'd recommend the xine way, it's easier
[09:52] <yahalom> Octane: ah ok. 
[09:52] <Octane> 16 years
[09:52] <msb> i have installed xine, i think
[09:53] <yahalom> Octane: tov ani mistamesh be kde beivrit.
[09:53] <yahalom> Octane: az ma ta'aseh?
[09:53] <sixth> judax, u there?
[09:53] <thoreauputic> msb: xine does proper full screen by default
[09:53] <yahalom> Octane: hell of a long time, when u coming back?
[09:53] <sixth> judax, i tried running that script and i get an error
[09:53] <thoreauputic> msb: just hit "f"
[09:53] <Octane> yahalom: no i moved here when i was 8, i go back every year though
[09:53] <thoreauputic> msb: or select full screen in the GUI of course
[09:54] <msb> that f doesnt work
[09:54] <yahalom> Octane: just get ubuntu if u want to try it. any problem u have u should find help here or on ubuntu, ppl usually help.
[09:54] <msb> does xine view subtitles?
[09:54] <thoreauputic> msb: it does here, with xine
[09:54] <yahalom> or just look for me and i'll try and help u.
[09:55] <yahalom> Octane: but i still dont get what problems apt gave u, its not a reason to remove kubuntu.
[09:55] <Octane> i dont remember i think my hdd was fucked up
[09:55] <Octane> i have never tried any debian based o/s
[09:55] <Octane> i have only used redhat and fc
[09:56] <yahalom> Octane: ubuntu is just as easy as fedora, if not easier.
[09:56] <yahalom> Octane: my grandma could use it
[09:56] <Octane> i do have my entire /home/ backed up
[09:57] <Octane> so i could just copy all my settings into the new home regardlesws of my os
[09:57] <yahalom> Octane: install it and then when u get probs just seek help. 
[09:57] <Octane> yahalom: why do you recommend ubuntu over kubuntu
[09:58] <yahalom> Octane: i dont. i use kubuntu.
[09:58] <Octane> i mean ubuntu then installing kubuntu
[09:59] <yahalom> Octane: its just i found that installing ubuntu and then apt-getting kubuntu gives u gnome and some settings seemed different whcih i prefered, the truth is i'm sure you can sort that out by installing kubuntu.
[09:59] <yahalom> Octane: just get kubuntu or ubuntu, it's the same distro :)
[10:01] <yahalom> Octane: kashe li lehamlitz lecha ubuntu al fedora. shneihem tovim meod. hem pashut olamim acherim. echad redhat veechad debian. ani beatzmi maadif debian.
[10:03] <yahalom> Octane: ledati kde oved yoter tov al ubuntu.
[10:03] <yahalom> guys my movies keep killing konqueror :(
[10:03] <yahalom> they load 30% and the paff!
[10:03] <Octane> yahalom sababa, ba li lenasot mahshehu chadash
[10:04] <yahalom> Octane: ze shaveh ;) im yesh lecha bayot techapesh oti.
[10:05] <Octane> yahalom: walla, hamon toda achi
[10:05] <Octane> batachles fedora ktzat yalduti
[10:05] <Octane> ki ze redhat
[10:05] <yahalom> Octane: leDati ubuntu ze yoter shlita
[10:06] <yahalom> nobody having video stream issues?
[10:06] <Octane> right now i have the fc4 test 3 installer open
[10:09] <yahalom> how do i change my kernel from k7 to 686?
[10:09] <yahalom> Octane: good?
[10:09] <Octane> yahalom: dont know i think im not gonna install it now
[10:15] <msb> this sucks
[10:15] <msb> mplayer shows subtitles but dont zoom and other dont show subtitles, xine and wxvlc
[10:16] <transgress> anyone know the difference of using a visa checkcard as credit and using it as debit?
[10:17] <Tm_T> msb: heh, you can't always win :)
[10:18] <transgress> msb: what do you mean it doesn't zoom?
[10:18] <msb> transgress: i cant get full screen video
[10:18] <msb> just 1/9 of monitor
[10:18] <transgress> msb: did you try hitting f?
[10:18] <msb> yes
[10:18] <msb> and nothing happened
[10:19] <transgress> you using just mplayer or mplayer gui?
[10:19] <msb> mplayer gui i think