[12:17] <seb128> elmo: libgnomecups sync please
[12:18] <elmo> seb128: odne
[12:22] <KaiL> elmo: amu told me to assign this to you: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 - he was only a bit late ;)
[12:26] <seb128> elmo: thanks
[12:31] <jcole> anyone here ever used acidrip in breezy?
[12:31] <jcole> i think the ubuntu mplayer/mencoder is too old 
[12:32] <jcole> i'll use the non-ubuntu...
[12:32] <blahrus> jcole: installing now whats the issue?
[12:47] <jcole> blahrus: i tried to rip a dvd with acidrip on ubuntu breezy
[12:48] <jcole> blahrus: it doesn't work with ubuntu mplayer/mencoder so i installed the non-ubuntu one instead... works fine
[01:07] <ogra> diego, ?
[01:40] <trulux> tseng: I've exhausted my IQ quota for today, but got the tmp races thing and others in the security framework I refer within the spec
[01:40] <trulux> tseng: will upload when pearls.t-e.o comes again online
[01:40] <trulux> tseng: I still think we may want to have a look at vSecurity
[01:40] <tseng> ok..
[01:40] <tseng> at the stuff prior to vsecurity
[01:41] <trulux> tseng: it's much less intrusive and much more portable
[01:41] <trulux> tseng: ok
[01:41] <trulux> tseng: on vsec, I dunno why you don't like it
[01:42] <trulux> anyways, see you tomorrow
[01:42] <trulux> need some resting here
[01:42] <trulux> too many time this week without sleeping
[01:43] <trulux> too much
[01:43] <trulux> argh
[01:43] <trulux> IQ exhausted :)
[01:43] <trulux> god night
[01:43] <trulux> good night
[02:27] <tsume> :) kde is broken
[02:27] <tsume>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu4_all.deb conflicts with knetworkconf :(
[02:28] <KaiL> you use breezy, you are silly
[02:28] <tsume> KaiL: yes, I use breezy :)
[02:28] <ogra> heh
[02:29] <ogra> use gnome the ext weeks then ;)
[02:29] <ogra> next even
[02:29] <tsume> gnome sucks at restriction policies
[02:29] <KaiL> http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug2.sh << and there's the update-script
[02:29] <KaiL> eh, fix-script
[02:30] <ogra> you cant fix what is to come
[02:30] <tsume> KaiL: hehe, you are prepared
[02:30] <ogra> at least on tuesday KDE will brea heavily
[02:30] <tsume> brea?
[02:30] <ogra> break even
[02:30] <KaiL> +k
[02:30] <tsume> oh.. well damn
[02:30] <tsume> I need my beautiful kde
[02:30] <ogra> but we need g++4 ;)
[02:31] <KaiL> ogra: why do you thing gnome will survice that? :)
[02:31] <ogra> KaiL, gnome == C , KDE == C++
[02:31] <tsume> oh, a question to everyone who has a digital camera. Is your camera good, and do you have example pictures
[02:31] <KaiL> I guess, there will be enough C++ somewhere behind
[02:31] <ogra> KaiL, not in gnome ;)
[02:31] <tsume> ogra: I've used kde on freebsd going from g++295 to g++33, I know what happens :)
[02:31] <KaiL> ogra: maybe X-Server?
[02:31] <KaiL> or dbus?
[02:32] <ogra> tsume, yep :) i survived the C++ transition in debian once ;)
[02:32] <tsume> hehe
[02:32] <tsume> ogra: its fun :)
[02:32] <ogra> KaiL, dbus is already compiled with gcc4
[02:32] <daniels> hold on
[02:32] <ogra> daniels, not ?
[02:33] <daniels> if dbus is already compiled with gcc4, then libdbus-qt-1-1 has already transitioned
[02:33] <daniels> sweet
[02:33] <ogra> oh, nope
[02:33] <ogra> on tuesday then
[02:33] <daniels> ahr
[02:33] <ogra> we start on tuesday
[02:33] <KaiL> btw. who has stolen libdbus-qt-1-1 from main, daniels? ;:)
[02:33] <ogra> daniels, is dbus-sharp already enabled ? 
[02:34] <KaiL> ..it's build-depend for kdebase...
[02:34] <ajmitch_> looks like I'll have to sto pusing kde apps for awhile :)
[02:34] <ogra> i'd like to pull mono t main on monday
[02:35] <KaiL> who knows a non-kde mail app, which can use kmails mailfolders? :)
[02:35] <ajmitch_> ogra: so any fixes we make to mono packages will be pushed through you (or someone else willing)?
[02:35] <jdub> coming to you LIVE from the linux australia stand at the education expo!
[02:35] <ogra> yeah
[02:35] <ajmitch_> hey jdub 
[02:35] <ogra> hey jdub 
[02:35] <tseng> hi dubster
[02:35] <ajmitch_> ogra: a good reason to get main upload rights then ;)
[02:35] <ogra> ajmitch_, looks like
[02:35] <KaiL> hi jdub then ;)
[02:35] <tseng> jdub: did you catch my luis photo going around the net?
[02:36] <jdub> the one with the spooky stare?
[02:36] <tseng> yes
[02:36] <ogra> hehe
[02:36] <jdub> it was rad ;)
[02:36] <tseng> the photoshop job is great
[02:36] <jdub> so i was thining
[02:36] <jdub> thinking
[02:36] <ajmitch_> jdub: I'm sure the look was because of the other guy in the photo
[02:36] <tseng> some guy made it a mug shot
[02:36] <jdub> we should zombify him
[02:36] <ogra> lol
[02:36] <jdub> and put "BUUUUUUUUGS!" as the caption
[02:39] <tsume> I mean.. pyBeagle
[02:39] <ogra> py sounds good
[02:39] <ajmitch_> I think there was a python port of lucene underway?
[02:39] <tsume> its better than bloating up a computer just for one application
[02:41] <daniels> ogra: nope, it's disabled while mono's still in universe
[02:41] <daniels> ogra: as soon as it goes into main, I'll enable it
[02:41] <ogra> daniels, as i said, its ready... monday should be the date..
[02:42] <tsume> brb
[02:42] <ogra> hmm, do i need a TB decision for that ? 
[02:48] <tseng> yay!
[02:49] <daniels> ogra: cool
[02:51] <whiprush> evening gents.
[02:51] <tseng> whiprush: welcome to mono night
[02:51] <whiprush> excellent
[02:53] <tseng> ogra: hm waiting for x86 :P
[02:53] <tseng> ogra: im dying to do f-spot
[02:53] <ogra> heh
[02:53] <ogra> i'm dying to see it
[02:58] <tseng> i wonder if it just lost the log
[02:58] <ajmitch_> hey whiprush 
[02:58] <ogra> i see all three here
[02:58] <ajmitch_> tseng: what else is waiting that can be worked on?
[02:59] <tseng> ajmitch_: i have it covered.. BenM built me a bunch of stuff from known-good svn that you wont have
[02:59] <tseng> is there cxx stuff you could fix? :P
[02:59] <ajmitch_> sure, I'll leave mono alone :P
[03:30] <tseng> gr
[03:31] <tseng> how is that crap getting in there
[04:27] <tseng> ogra: hm no f-spot log from amd64, it says arch any
[04:29] <tseng> ogra: it was trying to build at one point, maybe blacklisted
[05:15] <jdub> this is GREAT
[05:15] <jdub> everyone loves ubuntu
[05:15] <jdub> :-)
[05:15] <Predius> Hey, I'm in #ubuntu-love. =D
[05:17] <zul> jdub: are you at a conference?
[05:18] <daniels> zul: education expo
[05:18] <zul> ah cool
[05:35] <Burgundavia> jdub, what prompted that little statement?
[05:42] <Predius> Who doesn't?
[06:05] <jdub> zul: at an enducation expo
[06:06] <jdub> zul: doing lots of ubuntu pimping :)
[06:13] <Predius> Where is that?
[06:18] <jdub> Predius: sydney, australia
[06:19] <Predius> The Ubuntu convention was in Melbourne, right?
[06:20] <daniels> nope, that was in Sydney too
[06:20] <Predius> Ah.
[06:20] <Predius> Nice.
[06:24] <whiprush> this expo have a web page?
[06:24] <whiprush> jdub: take pics!
[06:30] <Lathiat> jdub: woo
[07:03] <bod> is http://arch.ubuntu.com/apt@arch.ubuntu.com/ now the canonical tree for apt?
[07:04] <bod> is cvs.d.o/deity kept in sync?  dead?
[07:06] <mpt> hi ajmitch_
[07:07] <ajmitch_> hi mpt 
[07:59] <daniels> frig
[07:59] <daniels> new l-k-h makes xorg ftbfs
[08:01] <Lathiat> fixes my problems. :)
[09:33] <aj> anyone know approximately how many MOTU people there are?
[09:34] <tritium> aj, join us in #ubuntu-motu
[11:06] <daniels> morning mdz
[11:06] <Burgundavia> is 2 am here
[11:07] <daniels> ahr
[11:07] <torkel> a really early morning then :-)
[11:07] <mvo> hey mdz!
[11:08] <Burgundavia> lol
[11:09] <ajmitch_> hi mdz, mvo, et al
[11:09] <Burgundavia> mvo, you are going to hate me
[11:09] <Burgundavia> mvo, check you inbox
[11:09] <mvo> Burgundavia: oh, that was you? well ....
[11:09] <Lathiat> what did you do Burgundavia :)
[11:09] <Burgundavia> filed about a dozen UI fix bus
[11:10] <Burgundavia> bugs even
[11:10] <mvo> Burgundavia: no, just the oposite, thanks for this :)
[11:10] <Burgundavia> mpt did have a hand
[11:10] <Burgundavia> mvo, there are bigger and deeper issues to be looked at, but mpt and I agreed that a bug report isn't the best place for it
[11:12] <mpt> yeah, they can't really be split into bug-sized pieces
[11:14] <mvo> mpt, Burgundavia: what would that issues be?
[11:14] <mvo> (the deeper ones)
[11:14] <Burgundavia> a general UI redesign, to more user-centric
[11:14] <mpt> mvo: The overall navigation
[11:16] <mvo> if it's not too much work for you I would be interessted in hearing about the ideas in some more detail. python-apt becomes more mature and it might be a good tool to play with new gui ideas
[11:16] <mpt> excellent
[11:16] <Burgundavia> cool
[11:16] <mpt> I'll write up a spec for it
[11:17] <ajmitch_> mvo: how's the python-apt work going?
[11:18] <Burgundavia> mvo, are we talking dumping synaptic altogether?
[11:20] <mvo> Burgundavia: it's a stable and mature tool, I don't think it needs to be dumped. but having a different branch writen in python as a testbed for ideas
[11:20] <Burgundavia> ok, cool
[11:21] <mpt> Synaptic 1.0, perhaps :-)
[11:21] <|QuaD-_> is it ok to dist-upgrade breezy? it wants to remove a bunch of dbus and hal libraries, but upgrades others
[11:21] <|QuaD-_> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[11:22] <|QuaD-_>   dbus-1 dbus-1-dev dbus-glib-1 dbus-glib-1-dev libdbus-cil libhal-storage0
[11:22] <|QuaD-_>   libhal0 libnautilus-burn0 python2.3-dbus tomboy
[11:22] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-_, dbus is in major flux, and this is not the place for such discussion
[11:22] <Burgundavia> mpt, I will kick around some ideas for the repos dialog, and post to -devel
[11:23] <|QuaD-_> Burgundavia: ok
[11:29] <mvo> mpt, Burgundavia : :) I'll have to leave for today now, but maybe we can talk about it another day?
[11:29] <mpt> sure
[11:29] <Burgundavia> mvo, np
[11:29] <mvo> thanks
[11:30] <daniels> |QuaD-_: don't worry about that
[11:30] <daniels> |QuaD-_: libdbus-1-1, dbus, libdbus-1-dev, libdbus-glib-1-1, libdbus-glib-1-dev, libhal-storage1, libhal1, libnautilus-burn1, and python2.4-dbus all get installed
[11:30] <daniels> the only breakage is libdbus-cil and tomboy, which will get fixed up later
[11:39] <|QuaD-_> daniels: so if i don't care about tomboy or libdbus-cil i am safe?
[11:40] <Kamion> d'oh, I just missed mvo
[11:40] <Kamion> doko: you around? a query about isdnutils in ship
[11:41] <doko> Kamion: yes
[11:41] <Kamion> doko: so isdnutils is a metapackage that pulls in lots of stuff, including things like an answering machine server
[11:42] <Kamion> doko: in my view not all of it is necessary for ship, and I'm trying to trim out unnecessary things to make stuff fit on powerpc
[11:42] <daniels> |QuaD-_: correct
[11:42] <doko> Kamion: yes, I tried to remove it, but ... 
[11:43] <Kamion> doko: would just ipppd do the job, or should we have isdnlog and/or isdnutils-xtools too?
[11:43] <doko> isdnutils-base should be kept, and ipppd, maybe isdnlog
[11:43] <doko> yes, isdnutils-xtools would be nice too
[11:43] <Kamion> isdnutils-base will be pulled in by the dependency from ipppd
[11:44] <doko> fine
[11:44] <Kamion> hm, isdnlog is half a meg
[11:44] <doko> drop it
[11:44] <Kamion> ok, I'll make it ipppd and isdnutils-xtools
[11:44] <Kamion> since the latter's small and looks useful
[11:46] <Kamion> but if I kill isdnvbox{client,server} then I can get tcl8.3 off the CD too :)
[11:46] <Kamion> thanks
[11:46] <doko> yes, sounds good
[12:09] <Riddell> Kamion: none of the kubuntu torrents seem to be working
[12:10] <Kamion> Riddell: are any of the Ubuntu ones working?
[12:10] <Kamion> torrent.u.c was broken recently
[12:11] <Riddell> Kamion: ubuntu doesn't seem to be working either
[12:13] <Kamion> thom: can you help with checking out what's up with the torrents?
[12:14] <thom> Kamion: i have to catch a train
[12:14] <thom> bbl
[12:14] <thom> Kamion: i'll look when i get home tonight
[12:14] <Kamion> thanks
[12:26] <doko> Kamion: any reason, why libgtkmm2.0-doc is in main?
[12:32] <DanielN> hi
[12:32] <DanielN> can someone tell me how to set up an repositorie on ubuntu?
[12:33] <DanielN> or just how I build the Packages.gz ?
[12:34] <Riddell> dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages && gzip -f Packages
[12:34] <DanielN> yes.. read that in a debian hwoto
[12:34] <DanielN> but I can't find any package called dpkg-scanpackages
[12:34] <Riddell> packages.ubuntu.com should turn it up
[12:35] <Lathiat> its in the dpkg-dev package
[12:35] <DanielN> ah thanks!
[12:35] <Riddell> devscripts should bring it and lots of other useful things in
[12:35] <DanielN> ok
[12:38] <Kamion> doko: at one point, libgtkmm2.0-1c102 was probably in main, so we brought the doc package with it
[12:39] <doko> but it didn't leave, so the source is still in main, but not the libs
[12:46] <pitti> Hi
[12:47] <Kamion> doko: I've removed it
[12:48] <doko> hi pitti
[12:48] <doko> Kamion: thanks. do you build a CD before Monday?
[12:49] <Kamion> doko: I just built one, but powerpc is still oversized
[12:49] <Kamion> by, like, 1 MB :P
[12:52] <Riddell> how can I make a dpatch?
[12:53] <doko> Riddell: dpatch-edit-patch
[12:53] <tseng> lamont: are gecko-sharp or f-spot affected by any kind of arch blacklist? dont appear to be building everywhere expected
[12:55] <zyga> Kamion: why -pl ;-) ?
[12:55] <Kamion> zyga: next on the list
[12:55] <Kamion> they're roughly ordered by population I think
[12:55] <zyga> Kamion: I see
[12:55] <zyga> Kamion: BTW why is ppc iso so big?
[12:56] <Kamion> zyga: more kernels
[12:56] <Kamion> I've left language-pack-pl on i386 and amd64, and naturally it's first on the list to be added back if we have space
[12:56] <zyga> Kamion: ah, lots of Gn cpus
[12:56] <Kamion> zyga: erm, sort of
[12:56] <Kamion> G3 and G4 can use the same kernel; G5 is incompatible
[12:56] <Kamion> G5 and the IBM POWER4 chips can use the same kernel
[12:57] <ogra> Kamion, whom do i ask for a seedchange for mono, its ready to go to main now (mono, gtk-sharp and gecko-sharp), would benice to have it in before the next dbus upload
[12:57] <Kamion> IBM POWER3 needs a different kernel again, which used to be on the powerpc CDs, but I took that off
[12:58] <Kamion> ogra: can you get pitti to have a look over it for security/supportability? (I'm sure he'll love me for this)
[12:58] <Kamion> if it hasn't been looked over already
[12:58] <ogra> hehe
[12:58] <zyga> Kamion: interesting, are power3 chips common? how different are they to g3?
[12:58] <ogra> Kamion, ok
[12:58] <pitti> Kamion: gulp
[12:58] <Kamion> zyga: not all that common any more, and totally different
[12:58] <tseng> did we agree to gecko-sharp?
[12:58] <pitti> Kamion: no, I didn't yet look at it, will do soon
[12:58] <Kamion> zyga: do not make the mistake of confusing POWERn and Gn :-)
[12:58] <ogra> tseng, does it build on all arches ?
[12:59] <Kamion> the numbering schemes are unrelated
[12:59] <tseng> not currently, see my ping to lamont a few lines up
[12:59] <ogra> oh, ok, so not gecko-sharp yet
[12:59] <tseng> right.
[12:59] <Kamion> ogra: once it's ready, ask me
[12:59] <Kamion> s/ready/been checked/
[01:00] <ogra> Kamion, ok
[01:00] <ajmitch_> it'll be good to see it in main
[01:00] <ogra> dbus will be happier
[01:00] <Kamion> I'm away for most of today though, starting about now. *wave*
[01:00] <ogra> ciao Kamion 
[01:00] <ogra> enjoy
[01:00] <ajmitch_> bye Kamion 
[01:00] <Nafallo> Kamion: bye :-)
[01:00] <daniels> Kamion: enjoy
[01:01] <Nafallo> daniels: have you done anything to xine yet or is it working again for other reasons? :-)
[01:01] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  When is ubuntu going to integrate LookingGlass :D
[01:02] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  hey, did you get my e-mail?
[01:03] <tseng> bluefoxicy: yes, im not sure what i was supposed to get out of it
[01:03] <daniels> Nafallo: *cough*
[01:03] <daniels> bluefoxicy: sometime around never
[01:03] <Nafallo> daniels: and how shall I interpret that? ;-)
[01:04] <daniels> Nafallo: look!  a diversion!
[01:04] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  You said you might show up at baltolug a couple months ago but for various reasons nothing happened (I forgot my laptop one month, my presentation the next), wanted to know if you were still interested in coming
[01:04] <tseng> bluefoxicy: i moved months ago
[01:04] <tseng> so no.
[01:04] <bluefoxicy> so that's a no
[01:04] <bluefoxicy> ok
[01:04] <Nafallo> daniels: hehe, oki :-).
[01:04] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  plan B.  Teach me everything about SELinux in the next hour.
[01:05] <bluefoxicy> :)
[01:05] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  I was kidding, though lookingglass is neat
[01:05] <daniels> all the technology is there
[01:06] <daniels> just write a composite manager that intercepts events with xevie and translates them accordingly
[01:06] <bluefoxicy> yeah
[01:07] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  Or I could instead have something that zooms out and shows a bunch of small rectangular prisms from a top-down view, click one, it zooms in to show rows of rectangular prisms with windows displayed on them, you navigate with mouse gestures through and can get to any in about 5 seconds, click it, pick the facade (mouse gestures), and you got a desktop
[01:07] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  a la Hackers  >:D  ("GIMME A SYSTEM'S VIEW!")
[01:07] <daniels> ... which would be a composite manager that intercepts events with xevie and translates them accordingly
[01:08] <bluefoxicy> yeah same thing
[01:08] <bluefoxicy> just with a lot more eyes-boggling and a better chance of eventually pissing the user off
[01:09] <Nafallo> I can't bloody control the damn thing.
[01:09] <bluefoxicy> Nafallo:  Fire your girlfriend and hire a new secretary who can follow instructions?
[01:09] <Lathiat> my touchpad has started tapping too much :\
[01:10] <Lathiat> i think im going to turn taps off
[01:10] <bluefoxicy> ohwell I gotta get ready for class and work
[01:10] <bluefoxicy> i'm out for the day
[01:10] <Nafallo> bluefoxicy: well, the instructions ain't the problem. it's the lack of them.
[01:10] <bluefoxicy> Nafallo:  I keep my equipment away from girls
[01:11] <Nafallo> bluefoxicy: you don't have a geekgirl then ;-)
[01:12] <bluefoxicy> Nafallo:  I have good physical security
[01:12] <bluefoxicy> if any girls come near my room my four dogs will rape their ankles
[01:12] <bluefoxicy> (damn chihuahuas)
[01:13] <Nafallo> bluefoxicy: hmm, I can sence you don't have a girlfriend ;-)
[01:13] <bluefoxicy> obviously not
[01:13] <bluefoxicy> tee
[01:14] <bluefoxicy> when I move out of my parents' house, I'm gonna put a sign on my bedroom door that says "no girls allowed"
[01:15] <bluefoxicy> i'm also going to have like a million pillows, and build a fort out of them
[01:15] <azeem> oops, and I thought I was in #debian-women for a second
[01:15] <Lathiat> haha
[01:15] <zyga> bluefoxicy: -devel you see, no pillows allowed
[01:15] <azeem> damn IRC channels lying close to each other on tabs
[01:16] <bluefoxicy> haha
[01:16] <ajmitch_> hi azeem :)
[01:16] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  yes, no pillows allowed; you guys aren't allowed to sleep, get back to work.
[01:16] <azeem> hi Andrew
[01:16] <ogra> hey azeem 
[01:17] <zyga> bluefoxicy: sleep - yes, fortify - no
[01:17] <azeem> ogra: hey
[01:17] <zyga> bluefoxicy: join #freeciv-devel and propose new 'fortify with pillows' command for girl unit ;-)
[01:17] <bluefoxicy> XD
[01:17] <Nafallo> bluefoxicy: fortify is a -hardened thing ;-)
[01:21] <zyga> oh boy soon we'll need -devel-devel-devel to do real work ;] 
[01:22] <Nafallo> hmm, lonely :-P
[01:22] <zyga> Nafallo: nah, -devel-devel was so non-bork-bork-borkesque
[01:52] <elmo> [upload.ubuntu.com's going down for 10 mins or so] 
[02:27] <pitti> Hi seb128 
[02:28] <ajmitch_> hi pitti, seb128 
[02:28] <seb128> hey pitti 
[02:28] <seb128> morning everybody 
[02:28] <pitti> "Morning" ??? -> ETIMEZONE :-)
[02:29] <seb128> ah ah
[02:30] <seb128> so, who is bugzilla master and could give me admin rights? elmo?
[02:32] <ajmitch_> night all :)
[02:45] <ska-fan> Can I update only certain packages from the development series?
[02:48] <Treenaks> ska-fan: you don't want that
[02:48] <Treenaks> ska-fan: why would you want that?
[02:52] <ska-fan> Treenaks: I want the new evince
[02:52] <Treenaks> ska-fan: just wait for breezy :)
[02:53] <ska-fan> When breezy comes out I'm gonna be in Novosibirsk for a year
[02:53] <ska-fan> I'm going in 3 months
[02:53] <ska-fan> I'm probably not going to be able to download much data there
[02:53] <seb128> grab it from Debian
[02:54] <seb128> new breezy one will require the new libc
[02:54] <seb128> the unstable one should work
[02:54] <ska-fan> THe good thing is that when I return I can go to straight to breezy+1 
[02:54] <ska-fan> GNOME 2.16
[02:55] <Treenaks> not Gnome 3? :)
[02:55] <ska-fan> That would be even cooler, but I doubt that.
[03:05] <mjg59> Kamion: Thanks, that CD image looks good
[03:05] <mjg59> Just need to check the modem, and I'll be good to go
[03:17] <seb128> elmo: around?
[03:17] <elmo> seb128: kind of
[03:18] <seb128> du you know who I should ask to get bugzilla admin rights?
[03:18] <seb128> I would like to fix all the gnome stuff where the bugs go to debzilla by default
[03:18] <seb128> better to do that myself than bothering somebody
[03:21] <mjg59> Kamion: Ok, looks good
[03:26] <DanielN> Are there any possibilities to set up an apt repository without root access? (only webspace)
[03:29] <Lathiat> yes...
[03:31] <elmo> seb128: thom definitely has admin rights, AFAIK.  mdz might also.  I'm afraid I don't, I only have root and mysql root and I don't know bugzilla well, so unless it's urgent, I'd prefer if you ask thom
[03:32] <seb128> elmo: not urgent at all, I'll ask thom, thanks
[03:39] <DanielN> and which Lathiat ?
[03:39] <Lathiat> DanielN: eh?
[03:39] <Lathiat> DanielN: oh how?
[03:39] <Lathiat> i dunno theres various tool sfor setting up repositories
[03:39] <Lathiat> none of them need root
[03:39] <Lathiat> (what you want to use depends on what your doing, setting up a mirror, an archive fo your custom packages, etc)
[03:40] <DanielN> We are setting up a Backport server
[03:40] <Lathiat> for your personal use?
[03:40] <DanielN> no for www.ubuntuusers.de
[03:40] <Lathiat> backports of what?
[03:41] <ogra> gah
[03:41] <DanielN> we'll see that ;)
[03:41] <Lathiat> (im just trying to ascertain fi your mirroring backports.ubuntuforums.org, because they are evil)
[03:42] <DanielN> err, no. we won't mirroring them :)
[03:42] <ogra> what do you want to backport? and _why_ do you want to backport
[03:42] <ogra> ?
[03:43] <DanielN> we simply made packages
[03:43] <DanielN> or will make some ;)
[03:43] <ogra> will you offer regulary security updates ? will you care for the QA of the packages and do some monts of testing before you offer them ?
[03:44] <DanielN> err
[03:44] <ogra> will you be able not to break all users upgradeability like the other backports do with insane versioning ?
[03:44] <ogra> sorry, but i'm really not a friend of backports (like nobody here)
[03:45] <DanielN> I don't wan't to discuss about such things, cause I can't say much about this thing yet.. My question was just if it's possible to set up an apt repository without any shell access
[03:45] <ogra> nope, not without shell access
[03:45] <ogra> (you asked about root access)
[03:45] <DanielN> sorry ;)
[03:45] <DanielN> so no way to put an archive on regular webspace?
[03:46] <ogra> you'll need at least user shell access, but that should work fine
[03:46] <DanielN> ok thanks
[03:46] <DanielN> that helps
[03:46] <ska-fan> Lathiat: why are they evil?
[03:47] <Lathiat> ska-fan: They break upgradability and are done by untrusted people among other things
[03:47] <ogra> ska-fan, read my list above.... that are only some of the problems...
[03:47] <_d4vid> play Akon - Lonely.mp3
[03:47] <ogra> ska-fan, they dont get proper QA testing etc...
[03:48] <Lathiat> and their target audience is new people
[03:48] <Lathiat> who'll get scared off my broken things
[03:48] <ogra> lots of the packages are packaged very broken ad break other things, overwrite files from other packages etc
[03:48] <ska-fan> That certainly scares off
[03:48] <DanielN> ..
[03:49] <ogra> just building a checkinstall or alien package simply isnt enough...
[03:55] <azeem> synaptic_0.56+revertedto+officialhoary+0.55+cvs20050406-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb
[03:55] <azeem> wow
[03:55] <ogra> AAAAAARGH
[03:57] <ogra> wat the hell makes them backport such a essential package, these guys are more crazy then i thought
[03:57] <Lathiat> jeebus
[03:57] <Lathiat> someone shoot them
[03:58] <Lathiat> ubuntuforums.org is hosted by !canonical right?
[03:58] <ogra> yep
[03:58] <Lathiat> sigh
[03:58] <Lathiat> ubuntuforums is akin to #ubuntu
[03:58] <Lathiat> except i spend time in #Ubuntu i dont bother with the forums
[03:58] <azeem> is their devel forum still being gated to ubuntu-devel?
[03:58] <ogra> yep
[03:58] <Lathiat> thats evil
[03:59] <ogra> and there is a part that is linked to ubuntu-users as well
[03:59] <Lathiat> twisted
[03:59] <Lathiat> can we shoot them?
[03:59] <Lathiat> oblitrate them from the gene pool?
[03:59] <ogra> not with the CoC ...
[03:59] <ogra> we're not allowed :)
[03:59] <Lathiat> i havent signed it yet, i could do it as an outsider
[03:59] <Lathiat> some kinda conspiracy
[03:59] <ogra> heh
[04:03] <Unfrgiven> seb128: ping?
[04:04] <seb128> ?
[04:04] <seb128> why people never say what they want
[04:04] <Unfrgiven> seb128: hi. you reviewed my fast-user-switch-applet and i had some questions regarding your comments
[04:04] <seb128> hey
[04:04] <seb128> sure
[04:05] <seb128> thanks for packaging it :)
[04:05] <Unfrgiven> what does this mean? "control.ac specify a requirement on gtk 2.6, the Build-Depends should reflect that"
[04:05] <Unfrgiven> seb128: np :) im just trying to fix it up so that it will satisfy your review :)
[04:05] <Lathiat> at a guess that means it depends on gtk2.6 but the build-dep doesnt depend on gtk2.6
[04:06] <ogra> Unfrgiven, you should add a build dependency on the devel libs of gtk 2.6
[04:06] <Unfrgiven> Lathiat: oh....
[04:06] <seb128> grep GTK fast-user-switch-applet-0.2.2/configure.ac 
[04:06] <seb128> GTK_REQUIRED_VERSION=2.6.0
[04:06] <seb128> 
[04:06] <seb128> require gtk 2.6
[04:06] <seb128> so update the build-deps according to that
[04:07] <seb128> neither panel 2.0 or glade2 2.0 will force gtk2.6
[04:07] <Unfrgiven> ah right. oh i'll add a build-depends on on libgtk2.0-dev
[04:09] <Unfrgiven> seb128: and also according to your comments, it says that having gnome.mk in a cdbs rules, means that you don't need to include autotools.mk? is this correct?
[04:10] <seb128> Unfrgiven: pick one, I don't get why you use autotools.mk
[04:12] <Unfrgiven> well the cdbs documentation said that you need autotools and debhelper by default... and to add gnome.mk if its a gnome package... so i followed that
[04:12] <seb128> what documentation?
[04:13] <seb128> anyway you don't need to autotools.mk line
[04:17] <Unfrgiven> the documentation used to be here https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial_2fCDBS
[04:17] <Unfrgiven> the site seems down at the moment
[04:17] <Sturmkind> hello again
[04:17] <Unfrgiven> seb128: but ok, ill drop the autotools :)
[04:18] <seb128> Unfrgiven: the website works from here
[04:18] <seb128> oh, the wikipage is not here, k
[04:18] <seb128> https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial/CDBS
[04:18] <Unfrgiven> yep thats the one
[04:20] <seb128> look the first example
[04:20] <seb128> # Note that this class inherits from autotools.mk and docbookxml.mk,
[04:20] <seb128> # so you don't need to include those too.
[04:20] <seb128> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/gnome.mk
[04:20] <seb128> 
[04:21] <seb128> anyway that's just a detail, doesn't matter too much :)
[04:21] <Unfrgiven> seb128: yeah i guess im just going blind :)
[04:22] <seb128> bah, no, that's just a little detail point, don't worry ;)
[04:38] <Unfrgiven> seb128: i've updated the package as per your review... i also added a depend on gksu as per dholbach's suggestion.
[04:39] <Unfrgiven> seb128: could you re-review it?
[04:39] <Lathiat> shouldnt you be using gksudo rather than gksu
[04:39] <seb128> Lathiat: gksu: /usr/bin/gksudo
[04:39] <Unfrgiven> seb128: i'm not able to access the wiki right not to update the MOTUNewPacakges page... you can get the package from http://ankur.ath.cx/ubuntu
[04:39] <Lathiat> seb128: oh
[04:39] <seb128> Lathiat: that's gksu
[04:39] <Lathiat> seb128: my bad
[04:40] <Lathiat> yeh si the wiki dead?
[04:40] <seb128> Unfrgiven: sure
[04:40] <Lathiat> are they doing the migration or something?
[04:40] <Unfrgiven> seb128: so gksu is right?
[04:40] <seb128> yep
[04:40] <Lathiat> Unfrgiven: yes, dont pay attention to me im an idiot. :)
[04:40] <Unfrgiven> Lathiat: I'm sure you arent that bad :)
[04:40] <Lathiat> i'm not ;)
[04:43] <Unfrgiven> is there a good gnome based util to compare two directories?
[04:43] <Lathiat> Unfrgiven: for comparing what exactly?
[04:43] <Lathiat> theres 'meld'
[04:43] <pitti> gnome-terminal diff -Nur :-)
[04:43] <Lathiat> which is like a tool for merging source code differences
[04:43] <Lathiat> and shows file differences etc
[04:43] <Lathiat> pitti: :)
[04:43] <pitti> (sorry, SCNR)
[04:44] <zyga> Lathiat: frankly... piti is right
[04:44] <zyga> Lathiat: what more do you need?
[04:44] <Lathiat> zyga: it depends what your doing...
[04:44] <Lathiat> zyga: have you ever used meld?
[04:44] <zyga> Lathiat: no
[04:44] <Unfrgiven> well in this particular case, im trying to see the differences between two versions of ndiswrapper.... 
[04:45] <Unfrgiven> the new version is broken for me :(
[04:45] <seb128> Unfrgiven: no need to Depends on gksu, g-s-t already does that
[04:45] <Lathiat> meld is ncie because it shows directory structure difference and then can open up files and look at their differences with side by side source and things spitting out showing what was added, removed, etc
[04:45] <Lathiat> and then lets you push changes back and forward
[04:45] <Lathiat> it also has an svn view
[04:45] <Lathiat> makes merging changes itno trees fast
[04:45] <zyga> Lathiat: like vimdiff but for whole trees
[04:45] <Lathiat> im sure you can do it with emacs or something to
[04:45] <Lathiat> zyga: and that
[04:45] <seb128> Unfrgiven: and why do you have a fast-user-switch-applet-0.2.2.tar.gz.cdbs-config_list ?
[04:46] <Lathiat> the most usefull feature is that you can see the whole tree layout
[04:46] <zyga> Lathiat: something like mc's virtual filesystem for .patch
[04:46] <Lathiat> and the files that differ
[04:46] <Lathiat> zyga: well it doesnst do patches
[04:46] <Lathiat> i dont think
[04:46] <Unfrgiven> seb128: oh... ok i'll fix that. how can i see these sorts of dependency trees? is there a nice tool to dump it for me?
[04:47] <Unfrgiven> seb128: where do i have that file?
[04:47] <seb128> ls fast-user-switch-applet-0.2.2/
[04:47] <seb128> debian  fast-user-switch-applet-0.2.2.tar.gz  fast-user-switch-applet-0.2.2.tar.gz.cdbs-config_lis
[04:47] <Unfrgiven> seb128: found it... its an error
[04:47] <seb128> k
[04:47] <seb128> out of this the package seems to be ok
[04:48] <Unfrgiven> seb128: how does one determine redundant dependencies?
[04:48] <Unfrgiven> seb128: e.g. the gksu from g-s-t
[04:48] <Lathiat> i hate speedstep
[04:48] <Lathiat> powernowd hasno dont scale option
[04:48] <Lathiat> and when i kill it, sometimes speedstep decides just to drop down to 600 anyway and get stuck on it
[04:48] <seb128> Unfrgiven: knowing of the packages
[04:48] <Unfrgiven> seb128: ah so that comes with experience :)
[04:49] <seb128> Unfrgiven: the Depends is not really wrong ... but what uses gksu? Does f-u-s-a uses gksudo?
[04:49] <Unfrgiven> seb128: i didnt think so but dholbach said it would be a good idea
[04:49] <Unfrgiven> Lathiat: couldn't us change its min and max limits to suit?
[04:49] <Lathiat> it doesnt have limits :)
[04:49] <Unfrgiven> Lathiat: s/us/you/
[04:49] <ogra> Lathiat, sure
[04:49] <Lathiat> not last check
[04:49] <Lathiat> maybe it does
[04:50] <Lathiat> oh, so it does
[04:50] <Lathiat> it still gets stuck when powernowd is running anyway
[04:50] <Unfrgiven> :)
[04:50] <ogra> Lathiat, in /etc/init.d/powernowd
[04:50] <Lathiat> i think the speedstep driver is buggy
[04:50] <ogra> Lathiat, look for OPTIONS=
[04:50] <seb128> Unfrgiven: gksudo is for the applet or for user-admin?
[04:50] <Unfrgiven> which driver are you using?
[04:50] <Lathiat> centrino
[04:50] <ogra> man powernowd shows you the possible options
[04:50] <Lathiat> yeh just looked
[04:50] <Lathiat> i forgot about those
[04:50] <CarlK> anyone here care that http://www.ubuntulinux.org is not responding? 
[04:50] <Lathiat> still means i have to change it when i actually go on battery
[04:51] <Lathiat> it should have an option to not scale on AC, i started to hack it in once
[04:51] <Unfrgiven> seb128: user-admin?
[04:51] <seb128> Unfrgiven: what uses "gksudo"? why do you depends on it? for a reason.. no ?
[04:52] <Unfrgiven> seb128: to be honest i see no reason to require it. dholbach said that it would be a good idea.
[04:52] <seb128> k
[04:52] <seb128> you have an option to configure the users
[04:52] <seb128> that's why you Depends on g-s-t
[04:53] <seb128> and that's this option which uses gksudo I think
[04:53] <Unfrgiven> seb128: ah i see. gotcha.
[04:53] <seb128> so this tools is user-admin
[04:53] <Unfrgiven> seb128: but since g-s-t depends on gksu, i shouldn't need it in the depends anyways
[04:53] <seb128> which use gksudo
[04:53] <seb128> right
[04:53] <seb128> my point is than the part using gksudo has to Depends on it
[04:53] <seb128> and that's not f-u-s-a
[04:54] <Unfrgiven> seb128: yep understood
[04:54] <seb128> hum
[04:54] <seb128> I've just looked on the package
[04:55] <seb128> debian/rules:DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --with-gdm-config="/etc/gdm/gdm.conf" --with-gdm-setup="gksudo gdmsetup" --with-users-admin="gksudo users-admin"
[04:55] <seb128> keep it this way so ;)
[04:55] <Unfrgiven> seb128: yep :)
[04:56] <seb128> package is good imho
[04:56] <Unfrgiven> seb128: anyways i've updated the package again and its up for review
[04:56] <seb128> let's wait for daniel and upload it
[04:57] <Unfrgiven> seb128: yep cool. thanks for your help
[05:00] <seb128> Unfrgiven: np
[05:00] <Unfrgiven> Lathiat: meld looks quite good!
[05:01] <Lathiat> i like it
[05:03] <Unfrgiven> anyways, im going to head off to bed 
[05:03] <Unfrgiven> gnite all
[05:50] <lamont> tseng: %f-spot: i386 powerpc s390
[05:50] <ogra> lamont, s390 ???
[05:50] <lamont> gecko-sharp isn't blocked
[05:50] <lamont> ogra: yeah
[05:50] <ogra> heh
[05:51] <ogra> lamont, hmm, the source package says arch: any
[05:52] <lamont> yeah, well, PaS says otherwise. :-)
[05:52] <lamont> PaS wins. :-)
[05:52] <ogra> where does it get this info ? anywhere from the source package ?
[05:52] <lamont> no.
[05:53] <lamont> http://cvs.debian.org/srcdep/Packages-arch-specific?cvsroot=dak
[05:55] <ogra> hmm, thats simply wrong... and i doubt there is any mono for s390 yet
[05:57] <ogra> s/mono/working mono/
[05:58] <opi> hi guys
[06:01] <zyga> opi: hey
[06:02] <opi> zyga: are you aware of a command that would query package list with a respository?
[06:02] <opi> zyga: something like --get-selected but with main/ universe
[06:03] <zyga> opi: hmm, not really, what are you trying to do?
[06:04] <opi> zyga: helpful script :P
[06:04] <zyga> opi: like installing stuff that less legal than main and universe?
[06:05] <opi> zyga: no, testing what's in universe
[06:05] <zyga> opi: ah
[06:05] <zyga> opi: I cannot help you on this, sorry
[06:05] <opi> OK
[06:05] <opi> I'm looking around ;-)
[06:33] <GheRivero> res
[07:27] <Lathiat> zyga: :)
[07:28] <Lathiat> the svn view is particularly usefull
[07:28] <zyga> Lathiat: I never used svn
[07:28] <Lathiat> ah ok
[07:28] <zyga> Lathiat: I'm moving from cvs to arch
[07:28] <Lathiat> yeh i use baz
[07:28] <zyga> arch is pretty amazing too
[07:28] <Lathiat> its nice
[07:28] <zyga> tla?
[07:29] <Lathiat> nah, baz is much nicer
[07:29] <zyga> ah
[07:29] <zyga> should I learn baz instead of tla?
[07:29] <Lathiat> imho
[07:29] <zyga> (this suxx, 3 revolutions on one day?)
[07:29] <Lathiat> haha
[07:29] <zyga> are they compatible?
[07:29] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:29] <tsume> theres a bug in nautilus :(
[07:30] <Lathiat> altho if you want a baz arhive to be totally compatible with tla i think you hae to pass --tla to make-archive
[07:30] <Lathiat> but you can read and work with tla archives fine
[07:30] <zyga> great
[07:30] <Lathiat> and with --tla they can read baz archives too
[07:30] <Lathiat> the commands to baz are a little more sane
[07:30] <Lathiat> and they implemented url support to most stuff
[07:30] <zyga> so I can finish moving my current archives to tla and then start reading about baz
[07:30] <Lathiat> among other things
[07:30] <Lathiat> seems to be nice
[07:30] <Lathiat> jamesh posted a comparison between cvs, svn and baz recently
[07:30] <Lathiat> might be worth a read
[07:31] <Nafallo> hi all!
[07:31] <Lathiat> (comparison of commands and how to acheive atasks with each)
[07:31] <zyga> Currently I'm dumping my cvs logs and such 
[07:31] <Lathiat> not like a comparison of the systems as such
[07:31] <zyga> because these logs in particular are of little value
[07:31] <zyga> Lathiat: cvs and svn don't meet the distributed requirement
[07:32] <Lathiat> zyga: right, but if you know cvs, reading his examples may help you grasp the basic concepts if you havent already
[07:32] <Lathiat> and perhaps shwo you how its different from tla if ouve got that sorted
[07:32] <zyga> Lathiat: I more less already know/undestand tla
[07:32] <zyga> Lathiat: didn't dig into hairy features too much but the most critical and fundamental stuff is there
[07:32] <Lathiat> http://www.advogato.org/person/jamesh/diary.html?start=196 if your interesting
[07:33] <zyga> checking
[07:33] <Lathiat> http://www.advogato.org/person/jamesh/diary.html?start=197 <- some more info on distributed dvelopment
[07:33] <zyga> more reading, thanks :)
[07:34] <zyga> meld is awsome in it's visual side
[07:34] <zyga> I can easily see what's changed with little effort
[07:34] <Lathiat> bah i got up to do something and now the latest enterprise episode is done so i want to watch that and will keep me up for another 45 minutes and its 1:30am. :)
[07:34] <zyga> and ... what is best, resolve conflicts 
[07:34] <zyga> Lathiat: hehe
[07:34] <zyga> Lathiat: I'm still pulling mine 
[07:34] <zyga> horrible crawl
[07:34] <zyga> btfnet got killed
[07:35] <tsume> gah!
[07:35] <tsume> the idiots
[07:35] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:35] <Lathiat> i sourced it somewhere else
[07:35] <Lathiat> its so stupid i cant watch thsi on tv here for at least 1-2 years so like
[07:35] <Lathiat> its their fault im "pirating" the tv show
[07:35] <Lathiat> i understand movies, i dont download movies
[07:35] <zyga> I dont really feel like a pirate
[07:35] <Nafallo> it's not killed yet is it?
[07:35] <zyga> *AA crap is getting terible recently
[07:35] <Lathiat> haggai: as in btefnet or enterprise?
[07:36] <Lathiat> this is the last episode of enterprise im about to watch
[07:36] <Lathiat> sadly
[07:36] <zyga> Lathiat: both are gone now
[07:36] <Lathiat> zyga: indeed
[07:36] <Lathiat> btefnet will apparently come back
[07:36] <Nafallo> the IRC-channel says it's just idling til they have a grip on the situation?
[07:36] <Lathiat> it seems like the person who owned the domain and ran the website did a runner
[07:36] <Lathiat> you'll note btefnet.com is now asking for donations
[07:36] <Lathiat> but if you read the irc channel topic, is says its not them, please do not donate
[07:37] <zyga> hmm
[07:37] <zyga> seems like the domain is gone from dsn now
[07:37] <zyga> darn I need farster torrent
[07:37] <zyga> I feel like modem days are back
[07:37] <Lathiat> zyga: for 21 or 22
[07:37] <zyga> Lathiat: both
[07:37] <zyga> Lathiat: I hot 29% of 22 going at 1.2KB/s
[07:38] <zyga> got even
[07:38] <Lathiat> woo
[07:38] <zyga> usually my gf pull stuff from IRC ;-)
[07:53] <Nafallo> Baby: :-)
[07:54] <DanielN> Does someone know if the Apache Software License is GPL compatible ?
[07:58] <Baby> hi Nafallo :))
[08:00] <zyga> DanielN: hmm, was not that something that caused problems for perl or python some time ago?
[08:00] <DanielN> don't know
[08:01] <zyga> DanielN: AFAIR there were some license issues but I'm not really sure
[08:02] <zyga> DanielN: there is a site that explains each license in details
[08:03] <DanielN> I know.. at gnu.org I think
[08:03] <zyga> DanielN: something like that
[08:03] <DanielN> but I think it must be compatible since apache is in main section
[08:05] <zyga> DanielN: I'd check if I were you
[08:05] <DanielN> :>
[08:14] <zyga> which revison system does gnome use?
[08:15] <ska-fan_> cvs
[08:15] <ska-fan_> with discussion going on atm
[08:23] <Nafallo> baz.gnome.org :-)
[08:23] <Nafallo> ... should be a good name indeed :-)
[08:24] <zyga> foo.bar.ba.....
[08:24] <zyga> nah ;] 
[08:25] <zyga> arch.gnome.org sounds okay
[08:26] <zyga> hmm
[08:26] <zyga> http://arch.ubuntu.com/vim@products.ubuntu.com/=meta-info/signed-archive
[08:26] <zyga> is this okay?
[08:33] <wasabi> hmm.
[08:33] <wasabi> my .apt thing is going to need to manipulate pinning
[08:38] <srbaker> so what are my choices for audio players besides rhythmbox and muine?  any good gnome ones that i'm missing here?
[08:39] <ska-fan> There's totem, but muine is really the best
[08:39] <ska-fan> and there's jamboree
[08:39] <Nafallo> beep
[08:39] <srbaker> i can only get muine to do album and song, i can't get it to do "shuffle everything"
[08:40] <ska-fan> load everything in the playlist and shuffle it
[08:40] <ska-fan> but muine is probably not meant for shuffle everything
[08:40] <srbaker> muine has some cool features.
[08:41] <ska-fan> I still miss a good way to make sure that my files have correct meta data.
[08:41] <srbaker> i like quod libet or whatever for tag editing.  that's cool
[08:41] <ska-fan> Easytag is mind-blowingly complex to use.
[08:42] <srbaker> ex falso is a little resource heavy
[08:42] <srbaker> erm.  ex falso.  quod libet is a little resource heavy.
[08:45] <ska-fan> srbaker: thanks for that tip!
[08:45] <ska-fan> not in ubuntu it seems though.
[08:45] <srbaker> ska-fan, you can run it directly from the source tarball :)
[08:50] <ska-fan> grep
[08:50] <ska-fan> great
[09:10] <ska-fan> srbaker: I was looking for that kind of app for two years, thanks again :)
[09:11] <srbaker> np, it's pretty awesome :)
[09:11] <mdke> what burning app is shipping with breezy?
[09:11] <Nafallo> mdke: dunno yet.
[09:12] <Nafallo> mdke: or... nautilus-burner for data :-)
[09:12] <mdke> Nafallo, cool thanks
[09:13] <mdke> is there likely to be one? for audio burning and such
[09:14] <Nafallo> mdke: serpentine would be me bet.
[09:14] <Nafallo> s/me/my/
[09:14] <mdke> haven't tried that one
[09:14] <mdke> good name
[09:16] <Nafallo> JaneW: hi dear :-)
[09:16] <Nafallo> JaneW: hmm, there :-). but dear would be fine to ;-).
[09:18] <JaneW> hehehe hello
[09:27] <mdke> mako, here?
[09:55] <JaneW> anyone know how to change text colour on a wiki? (moin moin?)
[09:58] <mdke> is the site down? i can't connect
[09:59] <Riddell> mdke: I was just about to poke elmo on the subject
[09:59] <Riddell> kubuntu server down too
[09:59] <mdke> let us both poke him
[09:59] <JaneW> elmo everything in the data centre's going to disappear for 2-3 minutes...
[09:59] <mdke> ah
[09:59] <mdke> yes udu down too
[10:00] <JaneW> luckilly my change was saved first...
[10:00] <mdke> JaneW, http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnFormatting on your previous question
[10:00] <elmo> it's back
[10:00] <mdke> yay
[10:01] <elmo> janew: it's a wiki, you don't lose your changes if the website goes away temporarily
[10:01] <elmo> (the changes are in your browser only, until you hit save changes)
[10:01] <mdke> JaneW, pretty unlikely colours will work on the ubuntulinux.org/wiki tho
[10:01] <JaneW> mdke: oic, thanks
[10:02] <JaneW> mdke: I think I was looking there, got stuck in the 'parser' section
[10:02] <mdke> *grins*
[10:02] <elmo> ok, so now launchpad + authentication to the wiki / main website is going away for 10-15 mins.  sorry for the inconvenience
[10:02] <JaneW> elmo: you pest!
[10:02] <JaneW> ;)
[10:02] <mako> mdke: hey dude
[10:03] <elmo> JaneW: don't make me demonstrate my leet cross-continent menthos throwing skillz
[10:03] <JaneW> I dare you...
[10:06] <JaneW> night
[10:07] <JaneW> Riddell: don't do it!!!
[10:08] <JaneW> you're stronger than that... resist the temptation.
[10:08] <Riddell> mentos 
[10:08] <Riddell> mmm, minty
[10:08] <JaneW> NOooooooo!
[10:08] <Riddell> really should have stolen more of these at the end of the conference, I've almost run out
[10:09] <JaneW> been rationing them severely though
[10:10] <mdke> oh hi mako
[10:10] <JaneW> ok cheers
[10:10] <mdke> mako, get my emails?
[10:10] <mako> mdke: i'm not caught up on canonical email today
[10:11] <mdke> oh right ok np
[10:11] <mako> or any other email actually
[10:11] <mdke> *laughs*
[10:11] <mdke> just about that gpg business
[10:16] <zyga> what's withe the mentos?