[12:00] <kuckuck> hi
[12:00] <kuckuck> is there a possiblity to use backreference in search&replace of openoffice?
[12:00] <kuckuck> \1 $1 doesn't work, it finds the regular expression but it ignores the backreference
[12:00] <kuckuck>  /join # suse
[12:00] <kuckuck> ups
[12:01] <krazykook> hard to believe that the future is free
[12:01] <K_Dallas> Hi guys! I am sorry to ask you LaTeX questions but LaTeX chan is just dead, it used to be great here or on efnet but after a long time that i am back latexing, it seems to me that they are not really active. My Q: after installing a package (teTeX, sarge) how do i latex see it? thanks
[12:01] <krazykook> K_Dallas: it is easiest to use Lyx
[12:01] <K_Dallas> sorry but i hate lyx
[12:01] <krazykook> K_Dallas: it makes a nice front end...and there is also latex to html
[12:02] <K_Dallas> for front end i use kile but i love my xemacs ;)
[12:02] <K_Dallas> but thanks
[12:02] <devilhorns> hi everyone
[12:02] <krazykook> K_Dallas: well i have not seen kile..
[12:02] <devilhorns> have a couple questions about ubuntu
[12:03] <K_Dallas> kile is nice something like winedt in windows
[12:03] <krazykook> K_Dallas: cool
[12:03] <devilhorns> 1) is it possible to do a src install of ubuntu ? can I set custom compiler flags ?
[12:03] <krazykook> K_Dallas: i sure have to use vim a lot on porting all this stuff to win98
[12:03] <K_Dallas> kile is actually very interesting but xemacs is something else ;)
[12:04] <krazykook> K_Dallas: what will port anyway
[12:04] <spartacus> devilhorns, like gentoo?
[12:04] <darkaudit> devilhorns: I've only used it a couple of times, but you can use apt-build
[12:04] <devilhorns> spartacus: sort of, yea
[12:04] <spartacus> devilhorns, you can build packages from source, so kinda yeh
[12:04] <krazykook> spartacus: gentoo is the best distro by far...but it is not for everybody
[12:04] <K_Dallas> i even use xemacs on windows
[12:04] <lotusleaf> here come the comparisons ;P
[12:04] <ablyss> wow, i hear gentoo is like the worst distro
[12:05] <devilhorns> that's what I use now...thinking of switching
[12:05] <krazykook> ablyss: no it is absolutely the best and nearly all the pros' use it
[12:05] <krazykook> but this one is not too bad
[12:05] <Jormundgand> Are there any icon themes which complement the Edge icons well?
[12:05] <K_Dallas> i think my best bet is to find a tetex manual
[12:05] <Nalioth> gentoo is either a blessing or a curse. you either love it or HATe it
[12:05] <devilhorns> well, I like it, but it has it's issues
[12:06] <krazykook> devilhorns: not really...it works like a champ...but never upgrade world
[12:06] <Badness45> this commmand says packet is not avaiable /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[12:06] <Badness45> package
[12:06] <ablyss> hmm, i have pretty good ties to some 'pros' myself.. they use ubuntu, redhat, suse, madrivia, os/2.. but never gentoo
[12:07] <toresbe> well, duh
[12:07] <toresbe> :)
[12:07] <nufan> Should I even bother asking?
[12:07] <ablyss> i honestly can't stand redhat
[12:07] <krazykook> ablyss: no...those are the idiots....there is nothing better than gentoo for upgrading libraries one at a time and then recompiling the apps....although when breezy gets out there may not be so much need for that
[12:07] <tg_> i have a jensen wireless p-ccard. in device manager it is recognised as an RTL8180L.... cardbus. Now what????
[12:07] <toresbe> ablyss: they do a lot of good stuff
[12:08] <ablyss> i know.. a lot people like red hat
[12:08] <ablyss> just something itchy about it to me
[12:08] <toresbe> krazykook: uh... Ever heard of dynamic runtime linking?
[12:08] <krazykook> ablyss: RedHat is just big money and marketing hype
[12:08] <toresbe> krazykook: tja...
[12:08] <krazykook> ablyss: but they do what they want to do
[12:08] <ablyss> i'm was suprised ubunto has won me over mandrive .. thought that would never happen
[12:08] <devilhorns> so I could do apt-build with ubuntu...can I set some compiler flags somewhere ?
[12:09] <toresbe> devilhorns: yes
[12:09] <ablyss> ubuntu*
[12:09] <toresbe> devilhorns: but why do you want to?
[12:09] <Jormundgand> What does the error message "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'" mean, and how do I get ALSA working so I can listen to music?
[12:09] <devilhorns> toresbe: is ubuntu compiled for i386 arch ?
[12:09] <toresbe> devilhorns: yes...
[12:10] <devilhorns> toresbe: well I'd like to have it optimized for my machine (ie: not i386)
[12:10] <lotusleaf> dark: you mean, Mandriva (shudder)
[12:10] <lotusleaf> darkaudit*
[12:10] <dark> o.o
[12:10] <dark> lol
[12:10] <darkaudit> went to SuSE, but they broke GNOME and wouldn't fix it...
[12:10] <spartacus> Jormundgand, how did u make that error happen?
[12:10] <tg_> i have a jensen wireless p-ccard. in device manager it is recognised as an RTL8180L.... cardbus. Now what????
[12:10] <toresbe> devilhorns: uhm, i386 refers to the 386 memory system - aka IA32.
[12:10] <dark> irssi go blinky and yellow!
[12:10] <darkaudit> lotusleaf: it was still Mandrake at the time :)
[12:10] <Jormundgand> spartacus: I tried to test ALSA in the Multimedia Systems Selector.
[12:10] <ablyss> the most beautiful thing to me right now about ubuntu is how easy it was to setup apache
[12:10] <toresbe> uh, memory, uhno, processor architechture
[12:10] <lotusleaf> darkaudit: and IMO it was still shitty ;)
[12:10] <devilhorns> toresbe: then is ubuntu optimized for what processor ?
[12:11] <toresbe> devilhorns: Processor-dependant optimizations are a *myth*
[12:11] <ablyss> synaptic rox too
[12:11] <toresbe> devilhorns: The exception being floating-point-heavy stuff.
[12:11] <devilhorns> toresbe: ok, but is ubuntu compiled for i386 like redhat ?
[12:11] <toresbe> devilhorns: but some of these feature runtime detection.
[12:12] <toresbe> devilhorns: it is compiled for the intel 386-and-up processors, yes
[12:12] <devilhorns> ahh
[12:12] <darkaudit> then went to Debian Sid... almost stuck with that... but then the Ubuntu chatter started to grow... another LUG member here switched, and I followed not long after...
[12:12] <ablyss> well i hope ubuntu is here to stay
[12:13] <toresbe> darkaudit: I am a Debian-edu developer, and I usually run Woody (recently Sarge) on the test machines
[12:13] <lotusleaf> ablyss: so do I, considering I have 2 hours left in my d/l of it at 56k ;P
[12:13] <Jormundgand> My only complaint about Ubuntu is the silly version names. I can't keep a straight face telling people I use Ubuntu Linux 5.04 Hoary Hedgehog.
[12:13] <ablyss> 56k.. wooo
[12:13] <toresbe> devilhorns: "i386" just refers to the 32-bit processor architechture Intel introduced together with the 386
[12:13] <Badness45> i still don't understand why the dvds don't work only bootleg cds work
[12:14] <ablyss> different file system format i think
[12:14] <devilhorns> toresbe: yea, but would rather have stuff compiled for i686...where would I set compiler flags in ubuntu ?
[12:14] <toresbe> devilhorns: *sigh*
[12:14] <ablyss> sorry, misunderstand you question.. not sure why
[12:14] <toresbe> devilhorns: i686 *is* an i386 processor
[12:14] <devilhorns> right
[12:15] <toresbe> devilhorns: there are *very few* added instructions that differentiate it from the 386
[12:15] <Predius> Jormundgand, now, tell me something that sounds cooler than Breezy Badger.
[12:15] <tg_> hello there. i have a jensen wireless pc-card. in device manager it is recognised as an RTL8180L.... cardbus. Now what????
[12:15] <ablyss> breezy badger superfly X2000
[12:15] <Predius> They optimize the code for 386 so older computer can run it.
[12:15] <Jormundgand> Predius - How about just Ubuntu Linux 5.10? Why a silly subtitle?
[12:16] <toresbe> devilhorns: those that are (the MMX, MMX2, SSE, SSE2, 3DNow!, 3DNow! 2 instruction sets) are usually explicitly tested for by most applications
[12:16] <krazykook> Jormundgand: well that is because ubuntu is in a lot of trouble right now so hoary is appopritate....but it will be straightened out by the time they get to breezy
[12:16] <toresbe> Predius: Argh! It's not *optimized* for a single processor!
[12:16] <ablyss> hoary is actualy a spanish which translates to mean, "Monk who rides on camal"
[12:16] <devilhorns> toresbe: ok
[12:16] <darkaudit> a lot of trouble?
[12:16] <ablyss> er, maybe that is horary*
[12:16] <krazykook> Jormundgand: there were some major fundamental screwups....which need to be addressed
[12:16] <toresbe> devilhorns: The performance gained by explicitly telling GCC to compile for 686 are truly trivial
[12:16] <admx> Any good DVD Shrinking programs for Linux
[12:17] <concept10> how do you install a local package (.deb)
[12:17] <Predius> Guys, we're pretty screwed when we hit 2100.
[12:17] <spartacus> concept10, dpkg -i ...
[12:17] <ablyss> what happends in 2100 ?
[12:17] <concept10> spartacus: my memory is shallow today
[12:17] <Predius> Version 100 kicks in.
[12:17] <toresbe> concept10: I fucking *hope* I will have gotten screwed by then, or else I will have killed myself :P
[12:17] <kakalto> or is it version 0.4?
[12:17] <Predius> Yeah.
[12:17] <ablyss> lmao toresbe
[12:18] <lotusleaf> call the next version "Slippery Snake"
[12:18] <toresbe> haha
[12:18] <toresbe> Perverted Platypus
[12:19] <Badness45> i still don't understand why the dvds don't work only bootleg cds work
[12:19] <lotusleaf> Bouncing Beaver
[12:19] <Jormundgand> And I still don't know how to get my ALSA working.
[12:19] <toresbe> Disoriented Deer... Amalgamated Ant
[12:19] <Predius> Badness45, do you HAVE a DVD reader?
[12:19] <kakalto> the "skanky skunk" release...
[12:19] <admx> Any good DVD Shrinking programs for Linux?
[12:19] <Badness45> yeah
[12:20] <lotusleaf> Cancerous Coyote
[12:20] <toresbe> lotusleaf: rofl
[12:20] <Badness45> only off the market dvds work
[12:20] <Predius> Damn Roadrunner
[12:20] <toresbe> "HIV-positive Hyena"?
[12:20] <Badness45> id said i need libdvd
[12:20] <toresbe> "Dyslexic Cow"?
[12:20] <Badness45> this commmand says packet is not avaiable /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[12:20] <tg_> hello there. i have a jensen wireless pc-card. in device manager it is recognised as an RTL8180L.... cardbus. Now what????
[12:20] <kakalto> uhhh
[12:20] <Predius> sudo apt-get install libdvd
[12:21] <Badness45> that said couldn't find the package
[12:22] <lotusleaf> <Biff Tannen> Make like a tree, and get outta here
[12:22] <kakalto> lol
[12:22] <Biff> partain?
[12:22] <Biff> thats not a very nice welcoming
[12:22] <lotusleaf> Biff: it's a Back To The Future (movie) quote. :P
[12:23] <toresbe> Geriatric Gnu?
[12:23] <Biff> oh of course
[12:23] <Biff> i remember now, lol :)
[12:23] <Flav> any recommended apps for hosting a blog on an ubuntu apache2 server?  there's bloxsom, tdiary, scoop, etc., just curious what people would recommend
[12:23] <lotusleaf> http://research.microsoft.com/howtofuckourcustomers/evenharder.html
[12:24] <kakalto> the wacky wookie
[12:24] <concept10> what is the best way to share files accross two linux boxes?
[12:24] <darkaudit> lotusleaf: actually used that line at work yesterday :)
[12:24] <Biff> concept10: sftp is pretty neat
[12:24] <Thirsteh> What's the command to search for a package with apt* ?
[12:24] <Biff> you could use nfs for a more permanent solution tho
[12:24] <lotusleaf> darkaudit: how well did it go over?
[12:24] <Thirsteh> And no I can't use Synaptic :)
[12:25] <Flav> Thirsteh: already installed package or not?
[12:25] <Flav> i use apt-cache search foo
[12:25] <Thirsteh> No, zlib isn't installed by default and it kinda pisses me off since it's needed by.....alot :)
[12:25] <Thirsteh> Okay, thanks... was trying apt-get search zlib which didn't work
[12:25] <Flav> Thirsteh: just install whatever needs it, apt-get will install the dependency for you
[12:25] <Biff> samba is also quite neat, pretty easy setup, but it's a bit inconvinient since passwords are separate for samba and system user
[12:25] <admx> Hey just found out that while there are no DVD Shrinking Programs for Linux that the Windows  version of dvdshrink will run under linux with wine installed.
[12:25] <Thirsteh> Flav, yeah, I'll go ahead and apt-get an application I wrote myself :PPPP
[12:25] <darkaudit> lotusleaf: got a laugh... I also used old Biff's response :)
[12:26] <admx> See url for more info: http://linuxathome.com/index.php?p=239
[12:26] <Thirsteh> Thanks for the help anyway, got it now, cheers
[12:26] <lotusleaf> darkaudit: heh, I like the screendoor on a battleship quote too ;)
[12:26] <kakalto> is there a program to add an mpg to the end of another mpg?
[12:26] <lotusleaf> darkaudit: I wish they'd make a Back to The Future 4 movie, though Marty McFly would have to be Teen Wolf dribbling a basketball throughout the movie with his parkinsons
[12:27] <Biff> anyways, i tried installing ubuntu on one of my computers, and i have some problem getting the network up, its a rtl 8139 onboard chip, it finds the network card, however when it sends packets there is no reply
[12:28] <cesar> hi all
[12:28] <Biff> i did check dmesg, and i got a weird error "Tx queue start entry 4 dirty entry 0", anyone have any clue about this?
[12:29] <krazykook> admx you don't understand...wine is not meant to replace windows...if you want windows go buy it....wine is used for porting all the linux material to windows
[12:29] <cesar> i have a little problem , this is my first time using ubuntu and my sound dont work at all
[12:29] <Badness45> dvd's don't work in ubuntu
[12:30] <Biff> i tried grabbing a newer kernel from packages.ubuntu.com, but it would hang logging into x, running the new kernel
[12:30] <krazykook> Badness45: well via is working on a mobo to fix that legally
[12:30] <krazykook> but basically you don't understand wine's fundamental purpose
[12:30] <[ANB] -M1> hello
[12:32] <Badness45> oh ok
[12:32] <Mista_Bone> what is wines fundamental purpose?
[12:32] <Flav> i noticed popularity-contest - how can i find out the data from that?
[12:32] <Flav> Mista_Bone: to provide an implementation of the win32 API
[12:32] <Flav> Mista_Bone: http://www.winehq.com/
[12:33] <Badness45> so no one have a dvd player that works
[12:33] <cesar> cof cof . . . hi all , im new to ubuntu, my sound dont work, but looks like if he was working . . .any idea or page with info ?
[12:33] <[ANB] -M1> i have a problem: i have a wireless card Dlink estreme pci when i install the ubuntu the last version the sistem recognize the wireless card with the driver acx 100, in in slackware use that driver and run good. i can ping in a shell for google.com, but all graphic application i can conect to some adress .
[12:33] <Mista_Bone> i use wine to emulate dc++
[12:33] <kas11> new to Ubuntu here....running AMD64 Hoary...it is dropping keystrokes sporadically....2.6.11 is better than 2.6.10but is still a problem when I type fast....anybody have suggestions for a fix....never saw the problem with FC1-FC3
[12:33] <[ANB] -M1> someone help ?
[12:34] <Biff> kas11: wireless keyboard?
[12:34] <Biff> usb or ps2?
[12:34] <kas11> Biff yes, a Paten USB kbd/mouse combo ....mouse works fine tho
[12:34] <Mista_Bone> ANB i dont understand your problem
[12:35] <[ANB] -M1> Mista_Bone sory for my english, im gone try :)
[12:35] <[ANB] -M1> Mista_Bone i have a wireless card
[12:35] <kas11> IOW, an el cheapo CompUSA special...but it has been very reliable with that other OS
[12:35] <krazykook> Mista_Bone: wine....Wine is not an emulator....you don't understand its fundamental purpose...and that is to use it to port all the existing GNU code to Windows for money
[12:35] <Biff> kas11: you did check batteries in the keyboard? :>
[12:36] <Mista_Bone> well that is still have i use it for krazy
[12:36] <[ANB] -M1> Mista_Bone dlink extreme G and i can ping for google and use wget comand, but in X i can acess to pages
[12:36] <kas11> Biff  yes, replaced them when it started happening....no difference and there was a distinct improvement after going to 2.6.11
[12:36] <[ANB] -M1> Mista_Bone understand ?
[12:37] <krazykook> this way all the GNU people write the code for free and the wine people steal their code and port it to windows and make lots of money off of it
[12:37] <krazykook> Mista_Bone: you just don't understand wine
[12:37] <darkaudit> let's all laugh at Man Utd
[12:37] <krazykook> Mista_Bone: it is not cedega
[12:38] <Jormundgand> Aaaargh. This is really annoying. Could someone please help me get my USB headphones to play sounds? They apparently use the ALSA mixer but attempts to construct test pipelines fail.
[12:38] <Mista_Bone> yes i understand now
[12:38] <gorthaug> holax de nuevox
[12:38] <gorthaug> al final no fui a la cama :P
[12:38] <gorthaug> aver alguien que me ayude... tengo un archivo .wav y quiero editarlo
[12:38] <cesar> hay gente que habla espaol aqu ?
[12:38] <cesar> :P
[12:38] <gorthaug> no se
[12:39] <kas11> I must say I do like many things about Ubuntu better than FC3...but this is pretty hard to live with ;)
[12:39] <cesar> kas11: i support that idea
[12:39] <concept10> kas11: what are you refering to?
[12:40] <Mista_Bone> cago en tu leche
[12:40] <gorthaug> ups este no es #ubuntu-es.... ya me parecia mucha gente :P
[12:40] <gorthaug> goo bye
[12:40] <cesar> Mista_bone: i make myself shit in you milk ?
[12:40] <Nalioth> por favor, personas con espanol, #ubuntu-es
[12:40] <gorthaug> good*
[12:41] <gorthaug> sorry....
[12:41] <kas11> concept10 the dropping keystrokes problem Biff was helping me with
[12:41] <Mista_Bone> si
[12:41] <Mista_Bone> hijo de mil putas
[12:42] <cesar> wherever . . . third try !, i cannot get my sound working . . .
[12:42] <Mista_Bone> hacete cojer
[12:42] <nobile> mista_bone shut up already, that's not nice
[12:42] <JGL> Can someone help me set up musepack decoding in ubuntu?
[12:42] <cesar> its seems like the sound card works , but dont make a sound at all , i alredy check the vol control
[12:42] <Mista_Bone> metete un palo en el culo
[12:42] <Nalioth> yes please take the nastiness elsewhere
[12:42] <concept10> kas11: oh i see, i went back and looked... wierd problem.  Thats almost like when my nephew comes over and bangs on my keyboard while im doing something
[12:43] <nobile> can someone kick him?
[12:43] <Nalioth> second the motion, on the kick to the nasty spanish potty mouth
[12:43] <Mista_Bone> i dont understand?
[12:44] <nobile> mista_bone, solo callate o te van a echar
[12:44] <Nalioth> Mista_Bone, nosotros no gusto su idioma
[12:44] <Mista_Bone> no hablo espanol
[12:44] <mez> hey
[12:44] <mez> quick Q:
[12:44] <Mista_Bone> my brother speaks spanish he told me to say that
[12:44] <nobile> ok, then shut up or you'll get kicked
[12:44] <mez> I forgot..
[12:44] <JGL> Can someone help me set up musepack decoding in ubuntu?
[12:44] <mez> I've just reinstalled ubuntu.
[12:44] <nobile> then tell him to not tell you those things, he's gonna get you kicked
[12:44] <lotusleaf> Mista_Bone: are you schizophrenic?
[12:45] <Nalioth> hope yer brother doesnt tell you to jump off a bridge
[12:45] <mez> how do i get it able to play mp3's with Xmms (i had to update my list of clients ro something last time)
[12:45] <lotusleaf> lol
[12:45] <Mista_Bone> no i just asked my brother what i should say in spanish
[12:45] <flodine> is there anything like gtk-chtheme for ubuntu?
[12:45] <nobile> you have a mean brother then
[12:45] <kakalto> this isn't a spanish channel...
[12:45] <darkaudit> mez: you need gstreamer-mad
[12:45] <Mista_Bone> i only speak german
[12:45] <mez> darkaudit,  - for xmms?
[12:46] <flodine> holla
[12:46] <darkaudit> mez: can't hurt
[12:46] <Mista_Bone> i appologize
[12:46] <kas11> concept10  this feeling like interrupts are getting lost...happens in short spurts...fine for a while and then looses like 4 out of 10 keystrokes...then is pretty good for a while
[12:46] <kakalto> if ya want help in german, isn't there a #ubuntu-de ...?
[12:46] <mez> there's an xmms-mp3 thing... I'm sure
[12:46] <darkaudit> mez and libmikmod if you have an nvidia card
[12:46] <mez> I just needed to update wher ei got my packages from last time or someting
[12:46] <flodine> little help
[12:46] <concept10> kas11: usb or ps/2?
[12:46] <Nalioth> Mista_Bone, kein schlecht-sprechen hier
[12:46] <mez> darkaudit, why do i need those.  I just want to play Mp3s...
[12:46] <darkaudit> mez everything you need is either in main or universe
[12:46] <Mista_Bone> Nailoth: I am not speaking german
[12:46] <JGL> Can someone help me set up musepack decoding in ubuntu?
[12:47] <mez> thats it
[12:47] <mez> i needed to change to universe instead of main
[12:47] <kas11> my typing is bad enuff without a hardware assist *lol*
[12:47] <mez> or something
[12:47] <darkaudit> mez: XMMS has issues with nvidia video cards... mikmod fixes that
[12:47] <mez> ATI :D
[12:47] <Nalioth> thank heavens the door tried for his arse
[12:48] <darkaudit> mez keep main and add universe... you just need to uncomment the line in your sources.list
[12:48] <kas11> concept10 wireless USB...but works fine with Fedora...think I will install Hoary i386 and see how that plays
[12:48] <mez> yeah just found it :D
[12:48] <rudolf> hi people
[12:49] <Jormundgand> I've followed the instructions in the Ubuntu guide and am still not getting any sound from my headphones. How do I set my headphones as the preferential sound hardware to use?
[12:49] <concept10> kas11: could be interference also -
[12:49] <concept10> kas11: low batteries
[12:49] <kas11> 2.6.11 is much,much better than 2.6.10 as far as this problem is concerned
[12:49] <rudolf> I'm wondering how to set up the pure ftpd config? not really used to the wrapper
[12:50] <kas11> concept10 I can boot FC3 o the same machine and the problem goes away entirely
[12:50] <dataw0lf|w> kas11: yeah, but on FC3 you run into an entirely different, much bigger problem.
[12:50] <mez> how do i add the multiverse repositry
[12:50] <rudolf> basicaly I'd like to get webmin running for apache, mysql and pure ftpd
[12:51] <concept10> kas11: I wonder what's different?  kernel module perhaps?
[12:51] <mvelasco2> hi. using ubuntu and connected to Windows 2000 shares using the "connect to server" feature, this creates an icon on my desktop with the name of the share.  The problem is when I reboot and try to access this windows share again from the icon I get challenged for authentication by a message about a "keyring".  Is there a way to connect to windows shares without being prompted for this keyring information everytome you reboot?  thanks.
[12:51] <flodine> can someone help
[12:51] <concept10> kas11: why dont you boot into fedora and check and see whats different releated to keyboard
[12:52] <concept10> kas11: as far as drivers are concerned
[12:52] <mez> nvm i found how to get XMMS to play stuff
[12:53] <JorisK> Hello everyone: a problem: i downlaoded the ISO hoary install, and my daemontools / Nero burningrom say the iso is an invalid one. Winrar DOES recognize it but it won't be bootable when i just cut and past those extracted files to a CD
[12:53] <kas11> concept10 I guess I need to look at the kenel .config...feels like a preemption thing...with 2.6.11 is is irritating but not a deal breaker...with 2.6.10 it is
[12:53] <rudolf> JorisK checked the md5sum?
[12:53] <JorisK> no i didn't
[12:53] <Nalioth> JorisK, did the md5 check out?
[12:53] <JorisK> what's that? :)
[12:54] <JorisK> Winrar can extract it nicely
[12:54] <rudolf> basically validates the files you downloaded are the same as on the server
[12:54] <mez> hmm why am i getting errors with gaim on MSN?
[12:54] <kyncani> Hi, does anyone here know if mplayer-amd64 is working ?
[12:54] <rudolf> now, anyone here know about pure-ftpd?
[12:54] <JorisK> how can i check it Nalioth
[12:54] <JorisK> ?
[12:55] <Nalioth> JorisK, go to your favorite freeware site and look for a md5 checker
[12:55] <JorisK> argh
[12:55] <JorisK> :/
[12:55] <Nalioth> JorisK, then go back to where you got the iso link and find the .md5 next to it for the same thing you d/l
[12:55] <rudolf> yep, thats the best, if that checks out, your nero is messed up
[12:55] <Nalioth> JorisK, run the md5 checker and compare numbers
[12:56] <Nalioth> JorisK, if the numbers are different, you have a bad copy
[12:56] <rudolf> come on people, I'd just like to config my pure-ftpd =)
[12:56] <JorisK> Naolith
[12:56] <kas11> Jorik  did you download from a newsgrop or something to get .rars? if so, what does smartpar or the .svf say about the integriy of the .rar set?
[12:56] <JorisK> i have a file called MD5SUM on the host
[12:56] <JorisK> how can i compare both?
[12:57] <JorisK> does my iso have one aswell?
[12:57] <Nalioth> JorisK, you have to get a program that runs on windows that checks your .iso image
[12:57] <lotusleaf> JorisK: get md5summer
[12:57] <Nalioth> JorisK, that md5 checking proggy will produce its own md5 sum
[12:57] <Nalioth> JorisK, you should then compare numbers
[12:57] <JorisK> i get it
[12:58] <JorisK> but the iso should be a decent one that could be burned with nero?
[12:58] <rudolf> hehe, good luck
[12:58] <lotusleaf> JorisK: visit wikipedia.org and type in md5 for details on what an md5 is. ;)
[12:58] <rudolf> definitely
[12:58] <lotusleaf> JorisK: if the md5sums match, it should burn
[12:59] <lotusleaf> JorisK: and work*
[12:59] <JorisK> thing is
[12:59] <Nalioth> JorisK, if the numbers don't match, your install will fail
[12:59] <JorisK> Daemon tools and Nero says the ISO is an invailid one
[12:59] <Nalioth> JorisK, even if you get it to burn
[12:59] <JorisK> but Winrar unpacks it
[12:59] <rudolfe> so,  can anyone help me with pure ftpd?
[12:59] <Nalioth> rudolfe, sorry, i don't use ftpds
[12:59] <JorisK> i can't Rubin
[12:59] <JorisK> i can't rudolfe
[12:59] <lotusleaf> JorisK: you said that earlier
[01:00] <JorisK> yeah
[01:00] <lotusleaf> JorisK: we're going in circles now
[01:00] <kas11> why are you unpacking an ISO?
[01:00] <JorisK> ain't it strange?
[01:00] <wizard_31> hello ppl
[01:00] <rudolfe> hmpf, can't find any info on how to configure the debian wrapper for pure-ftpd
[01:00] <Nalioth> JorisK, just go check your iso image md5
[01:00] <flodine> is there anything like gtk-chtheme for ubuntu?
[01:00] <JorisK> if the MD5 wuold be different, how can Winrar still unpack it problemless?
[01:00] <flodine> holla back
[01:01] <wizard_31> any one getting lucky with webcams ?
[01:01] <rudolfe> not on an amd64 machine sadly :)
[01:01] <Nalioth> winrar unpacks files it sees as unpackable, not necessarily is the data correct
[01:01] <wizard_31> 64 is a problem
[01:02] <wizard_31> sonix works in gnomemeeting but nothing else
[01:02] <rudolfe> 64 has a lot of quirks to be worked out, yeah
[01:02] <wizard_31> any thoughts?
[01:02] <rudolfe> but I like it
[01:03] <wizard_31> fast?
[01:03] <Jormundgand> Could someone PLEASE help me sort out how to get this to use my headphones? It's driving me crazy, and every time I ask I get no response.
[01:03] <rudolfe> yeah, runs fine on a 3000+ :)
[01:03] <wizard_31> headphones?
[01:03] <rudolfe> way faster than kde I'm used to, I wonder why, hehe
[01:04] <krazykook> i can't believe how many of you just don't understand wine at all....the wine people have been around for a long time with mingnu type stuff.....and they always used wine to steal all the free GNU code that GNU programmers are bound by....and port it to windows....and that business is called Microsoft.
[01:04] <JGL> Can anyone help me set up musepack decoding in ubuntu?
[01:04] <wizard_31> lol
[01:05] <Jormundgand> wizard_31: Yeah, headphones. USB.
[01:05] <rudolfe> whats the problem?
[01:06] <wizard_31> usb probably the problem lol
[01:06] <kas11> Thanks for the help folks....I am off to try Hoary i386 to see if the kbd problem goes away
[01:06] <wizard_31> linux usb ?????
[01:06] <wizard_31> slow progress there
[01:07] <wizard_31> any thoughts on the sonix?
[01:07] <rudolfe> or pure-ftpd? =)
[01:07] <g14> I made a rhythmbox bluecurve theme if anybody wants to check it out. It's not packaged yet though
[01:07] <wizard_31> ubuntu is missing a control panel or 2
[01:08] <g14> screenshot: http://www.digitalprognosis.com/opensource/rhythmbox-bluecurve.png made on ubuntu :)
[01:08] <wizard_31> be nice to throw in drak config
[01:08] <Nalioth> i'm glad you guys are so helpful
[01:09] <Nalioth> anyone know what happened to the weather thing in ximian>novell>gnome Evolution?
[01:09] <wizard_31> Nalioth what's up?
[01:09] <wizard_31> oh that
[01:09] <wizard_31> good question
[01:10] <Hussam> is there a program simmilar to vmware for linux but for free?
[01:10] <rudolfe> oh, I can't find the services tool under system tools->. it's mentioned in the doc =)
[01:10] <Nalioth> wizard_31, just wondering where the weather part of evolution got off to
[01:10] <Nalioth> Hussam, bochs?
[01:10] <rudolfe> X forwarding ;)
[01:10] <rudolfe> or xen, sorry
[01:11] <Hussam> Nalioth: ok thanks
[01:12] <Nalioth> Hussam, rudolfe says also "xen"
[01:12] <rudolfe> http://www.redhat.com/magazine/004feb05/features/virtualization/
[01:12] <murdokbr> help please
[01:12] <murdokbr> i want to know what is the installed ubuntu size?
[01:13] <murdokbr> somebody help please...
[01:13] <rudolfe> let me check :D
[01:13] <murdokbr> thx
[01:13] <K_Dallas> ;)
[01:13] <ubuntu_> hello
[01:13] <nictuku> hi. I seriously suspect that firefox is leaking memory
[01:14] <Nalioth> nictuku, and when did you start suspecting this?
[01:14] <ubuntu_> how i can change ext3 in reiserfs?
[01:14] <K_Dallas> have you tried their nightly build versions?
[01:14] <K_Dallas> nictuku, it is preview of ver 2.0 and much better than 1.04
[01:14] <murdokbr> rudolfe ?????
[01:14] <rudolfe> mine is 5GB, but I have apache and a lot of other stuff on there
[01:14] <zenlunatic> Does Hoary have mp3 playback support?
[01:15] <murdokbr> O_O 5 gb ??????????????
[01:15] <wizard_31> don't see that evolution thing anywhere
[01:15] <K_Dallas> zenlunatic, sure, even mplayer does that too
[01:15] <nictuku> i have a monitoring station running two windows of firefox, and after a few days running, I see it's using like 200Mb of memory, and 50% of processor power. It's just very simple pages reloading every 5 seconds.
[01:15] <rudolfe> yep, that's what it says in gparted :D
[01:15] <Weiss> murdokbr: mine is about 2 GB
[01:15] <nictuku> i have to kill it and start it again, or apache takes like 5 seconds to show a page.
[01:15] <rudolfe> might have to do with my fast internet connection and all :D
[01:16] <murdokbr> [Weiss] : THX
[01:16] <nictuku> # ps aux|grep firefox -> yves     15949 11.9 44.7 180532 100616 ?     Ss   May12 238:24 /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[01:16] <zenlunatic> K_Dallas: Ah. I see rythmbox
[01:16] <K_Dallas> that is pretty neat
[01:16] <nictuku>  # mozilla-firefox --version
[01:16] <nictuku> Mozilla Firefox 1.0.2, Copyright (c) 2004 mozilla.org
[01:16] <K_Dallas> i have discovered it recently ;)
[01:16] <rudolfe> alright, people, anyone know where I can get good info on the debian wrapper for pure-ftpd?
[01:16] <K_Dallas> that is old nictuku
[01:17] <nictuku> hmm
[01:17] <Nalioth> wizard_31, in the long ago (before novell bought them) there was a weather page (google for "ximian evolution weather" and you'll get a screenie)
[01:17] <nictuku> K_Dallas: I'll update it again, then, and see what happens. thanks!
[01:18] <K_Dallas> np
[01:19] <K_Dallas> nictuku, if you want to update, try their trunk version, i have used it on both win and linux and much better with no problem
[01:19] <nictuku> what is the latest version, please? Is it Version: 1.0.2-0ubuntu5.2
[01:20] <nictuku> K_Dallas: I tried, but it won't work very well in full screen stretched to two monitors.
[01:20] <K_Dallas> 1.04 is the latest official release, 2 days old or so
[01:20] <K_Dallas> ok
[01:20] <nictuku> I mean, in ubuntu hoary
[01:20] <GNULinuxGeek> Hello all
[01:21] <wizard_31> yeah i know but looks like they dumped the weather and news
[01:21] <nictuku> K_Dallas: is hoary's the newest avaliable in ubuntu?
[01:21] <crimsun> nictuku: 5.2 is, yes
[01:22] <Jormundgand> Which package contains support for MP3s?
[01:22] <GNULinuxGeek> Is there a tool under ubuntu that will let me get my Compaq ESS1889 sound card.
[01:23] <crimsun> Jormundgand: for Music Player, it's gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:23] <crimsun> Jormundgand: (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats)
[01:24] <crimsun> GNULinuxGeek: the ALSA driver is snd-es18xx
[01:24] <wizard_31> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[01:24] <wizard_31> helpful for the music things
[01:25] <kakalto> what's the date today?
[01:25] <crimsun> date -R
[01:26] <kakalto> crimsun, thanks ;)
[01:26] <K_Dallas> !date
[01:26] <kakalto> !date
[01:26] <kakalto> uhh
[01:27] <dabaStnd> crimsun: what does this mean: (16:48:00) Nikita: (notice) Nikita has sent you an instant message, type /server getmsg to receive it ?
[01:27] <dabaStnd> I cant type that command ehre, anyhiow...
[01:28] <Jormundgand> dabaStnd: Just Nikita picking on people unversed in IRC terminology.
[01:28] <Jormundgand> The /server command disconnects from the server you're on and switches to the one you specify.
[01:28] <dabaStnd> hehe...:)
[01:29] <dabaStnd> Anyhow, is there a #java on freenode?
[01:29] <dabaStnd> I need to figure something out.
[01:29] <wizard_31> any one try the add on cd?
[01:30] <XhyldazhK> Hi all... what is the name of the dummy package that installs all development tools?
[01:30] <dabaStnd> it is intended for ppl that do not have an internet connection.
[01:30] <dabaStnd> mainly, or so the author said...] 
[01:30] <wizard_31> synaptic
[01:30] <dabaStnd> XhyldazhK: build-essential
[01:30] <crimsun> XhyldazhK: build-essential
[01:30] <XhyldazhK> aaah thanx
[01:31] <dabaStnd> welcome
[01:32] <dabaStnd> crimsun: how do you not plagiarize a, lets say insertion, sort method????
[01:32] <zenlunatic> Is there a freeciv package anywhere?
[01:32] <dabaStnd> It has to do what it has to do, can t invent nothing about it...
[01:32] <jaggi> I couldn't find the "units" program in debian
[01:33] <crimsun> dabaStnd: you write your own? :)
[01:33] <wizard_31> is there a hardware config app?
[01:33] <jaggi> there it is..
[01:33] <jaggi> http://packages.debian.org/testing/utils/units
[01:33] -Jormundgand:#ubuntu- This is a ping request. This ping request travels via the honour system. Please respond with the appropriate pong.
[01:34] <nobile> !pong
[01:34] <nobile> ?
[01:34] <kaouete> pong
[01:34] <kaouete> \o/
[01:34] <dabaStnd> crimsun: well, no, I am 22, still in University, and now I am writing a course on A&DS, just cause I missed that in my 2nd year...and, now, I need to write an insertion sort method..
[01:35] <GNULinuxGeek> Thanks *crimsun*
[01:35] <crimsun> dabaStnd: as long as you understand the algorithm, writing code for it in a familiar programming language is fairly straightforward
[01:37] <dabaStnd> crimsun: right, but I can use the exact same structure as someone else did, right? that is my issue., the variables, and some conditions are changed, but the whole process is the same, just changed some variable names, and such...Ill just ask my prof., show him both methods, and ask him if that is plagiarism...
[01:37] <crimsun> dabaStnd: you can't copy from someone else's code unless you were given explicit permission if that's what you're asking
[01:38] <dabaStnd> but how would you do a sort then...it does have to do exact same steps, in order to work,...or perhaps there are 3 ways to do it, and that is it, so everyone is always reusing the same algorithm, just plugging their values, and minor changes...
[01:39] <twizlar> Anyone know how to get PHP properly installed? I can't seem to find the package for it.
[01:39] <Weiss> dabaStnd: learn about the method, then put the original source away and right it on your own
[01:39] <dabaStnd> I give up, I am gonna go back to windows...
[01:39] <dabaStnd> :)
[01:39] <Weiss> write* (!)
[01:39] <dabaStnd> weiss, I guess, yeah...
[01:39] <nobile> =o
[01:39] <Weiss> that's basically the Right Way to avoid plaigarism
[01:40] <concept10> How do I share my ubuntu box, I want to access it from my linux laptop?
[01:40] <dabaStnd> not a bad idea, I guess that is all it takes...jjust not exactly copying it.
[01:40] <dabaStnd> concept10: what is the other OS?
[01:40] <Nalioth> dabaStnd, you will be miserable
[01:41] <concept10> dabaStnd: fedora core 3
[01:41] <dabaStnd> Nalioth: ?
[01:41] <dabaStnd> oh, you mean cause of windows?
[01:41] <dabaStnd> that was a joke, man....I aws jj, cause I couldnt figure out something totally unrelated...
[01:41] <twizlar> anyone know about installing php?, can't find the package anywhere
[01:41] <twizlar> :|
[01:41] <Nalioth> dabaStnd, if you go back to windoze you will be spending about 1/10 of your comptuer time defending yourself
[01:42] <concept10> twizlar: use synaptic
[01:42] <josh42> does "write to disc" (from an iso) only work locally? no burning from smb shares?
[01:42] <dabaStnd> Nalioth: yuo had to have noticed taht was a joke???
[01:42] <twizlar> concept10 not on there
[01:42] <dabaStnd> concept10: share like what? I just FTP files...set up a LAN, and ftp files.
[01:42] <Nalioth> dabaStnd, sorry, i'm ssh'd to 3 puters atm, and don't keep up too well. the "going back to windoze" caught my attention
[01:42] <concept10> josh42: probably not, im thinking because of the buffering
[01:42] <dabaStnd> :)
[01:42] <Nalioth> windoze pains me
[01:42] <angie> hello there
[01:43] <dabaStnd> yo, angie.
[01:43] <angie> i'm having problems with freezing during flac encoding
[01:43] <concept10> dabaStnd: I want to access my Ubuntu from FC3 using nautilus.  I can do it with Konq using fish
[01:43] <angie> the system hangs
[01:43] <mischko> Nalioth, I switched back to Windows so I could test my web pages in IE. It's been a no-problem deal.
[01:43] <dabaStnd> angie: well, at least you dont live in Canada...
[01:43] <twizlar> canada rules :|
[01:44] <angie> dabaStnd: haha
[01:44] <angie> what happens in canada?
[01:44] <crimsun> dabaStnd: the basic insertion sort algorithm is set. Everyone writes variants on it.
[01:44] <dabaStnd> just cause you said yiou freeze when...
[01:44] <Nalioth> mischko, why do you want to have IE render your pages? make them according to the w3w standards and everyone with a standards-compliant browser can read them
[01:44] <holy_cow> mischko, you can always install ie on crossoveroffice, or run windows via vmware
[01:44] <dabaStnd> crimsun: k,thanks.
[01:44] <holy_cow> and what Nalioth said
[01:44] <mischko> Nalioth, that's not going to work for the 80+ % of the users who are not running the compliant browser.
[01:44] <twizlar> No one knows how to install php?
[01:45] <josh42> concept10: is there any way to force it @ a set burn speed? (like 4x dvd)
[01:45] <crimsun> twizlar: search for php4
[01:45] <twizlar> i did
[01:45] <angie> any help? it seems it's a cpu problem... the I nver had this problem before with straight debian
[01:45] <crimsun> twizlar: and?
[01:45] <holy_cow> mischko, it is, ie is reasonably compliant you just haveto cut out the fancy stuff
[01:45] <Jormundgand> Is there a way of renaming a user account?
[01:45] <twizlar> can't find the package anywhere
[01:45] <concept10> josh42: I have no idea... never tied...
[01:45] <crimsun> twizlar: that's what ,,apt-cache policy php4'' confirms?
[01:45] <mischko> holy_cow, I've been down this road.  Have to test everything in IE.  Some things work fine in FF but don't work in IE.
[01:46] <twizlar> crimsun: yes
[01:46] <crimsun> twizlar: then you don't have the main repo enabled
[01:46] <dabaStnd> Jormundgand: not that I can think of.
[01:46] <josh42> concept10; fair enough - thanks
[01:46] <twizlar> i enabled it
[01:46] <dabaStnd> concept10: some kind of samba??
[01:46] <sbcl3_> how do I quit a non-responding application without "killall"?
[01:46] <Jormundgand> mischko: So use compliant standards and tell the IE users to grow up and use a real browser.
[01:47] <dabaStnd> concept10: not sure, I personally FTP files, so far.
[01:47] <twizlar> at least it SAYS it is enabled
[01:47] <josh42> sbcl3_: worst case scenario: kill -9 <pid>
[01:47] <XhyldazhK> hi... in which package there is GL/gl.h header located?
[01:47] <mischko> Jormundgand, you don't treat your customers that way.
[01:47] <Nalioth> mischko, i want to see you test in Safari
[01:47] <concept10> dabaStnd: maybe so, I just want to know the most efficient way
[01:47] <sbcl3_> josh42: what does that do?
[01:47] <mischko> Nalioth, I have a friend who runs Safari.  He'll test for me.
[01:47] <twizlar> i read about changing the urls and what not in the sources.list, but when i go to update it can't connect to any of them
[01:47] <crimsun> twizlar: then join #flood and paste the output of ,,apt-cache policy php4''
[01:47] <Jormundgand> mischko: I treat idiots as idiots irrespective of position. I'd do it in a sensitive way - "we recommend for best results you use the best browser available" - but I'd do it.
[01:47] <Nalioth> mischko, if you are building business pages, there shouldn't be any fancy stuff in it. IE will render
[01:48] <twizlar> ok
[01:48] <dabaStnd> twizlar: you can paste yoyur sources.list to pastebin.com and give u the URL to double check.
[01:48] <josh42> sbcl3_: Same thing as "Killall" but without the 'all' part - you need the process ID tho (you can get that if you run 'top'
[01:48] <josh42> )
[01:48] <dabaStnd> Nalioth: hehe, why safari??
[01:48] <Nalioth> mischko, i build business webpages and build them to w3w standards, and my customers get plenty of positive feedback on them
[01:48] <dabaStnd> Nalioth: dont tell me you actually use that on yuor g3?
[01:48] <Nalioth> dabaStnd, just another OS browser
[01:48] <dabaStnd> or, g4 rather, the 3 has ubuntu...
[01:48] <Nalioth> dabaStnd, sorry, ubuntu on the G3
[01:49] <sbcl3_> josh42: its a program installation, so it isn't recognized as far as I can see from the process list
[01:49] <mischko> Nalioth, I'm not happy with just the simple stuff :)
[01:49] <Nalioth> dabaStnd, use FF on the g4
[01:49] <dabaStnd> ff?
[01:49] <dabaStnd> oh...
[01:49] <dabaStnd> :)
[01:49] <Nalioth> mischko, well i'm not happy with m$
[01:49] <mischko> I'm doing flyout menus, sortable tables by clicking on headers, etc.
[01:49] <dabaStnd> I use camino, it is native carbon, or sthg:/
[01:49] <josh42> sbcl3_: That's why top is good - it shows what's using cpu; just kill the one above 90%
[01:49] <super_dude2> is there any way to play a wmv on ubuntu without downloading lots of confusing software?
[01:50] <dabaStnd> yes
[01:50] <Nalioth> i build my customers pages to render on the shi***st of computers
[01:50] <josh42> super_dude2; Boot from the livecd
[01:50] <XhyldazhK> hey... where can i get GL/gl.h ?
[01:50] <mischko> Nalioth, I'm not happy with the company but their products have become _tons_ more stable than they used to be.  I'm think the Linux community needs to stop fighting against the perception of Windows instability, as it's becoming old news.
[01:50] <Nalioth> super_dude2, depends on the data inside the wmv
[01:50] <super_dude2> josh42 i kinda lost it
[01:50] <super_dude2> its a movie
[01:50] <Nalioth> mischko, its not the instabilitiy that pisses me off
[01:50] <josh42> super_dude2: You can re-burn it :)
[01:50] <sbcl3_> josh42: kill -9 doens't seem to work
[01:50] <mischko> Nalioth, Me either.  It's the vendor lock in, etc.
[01:50] <Nalioth> mischko, its the fact that you can visit certain pages with XP and IE and become infected
[01:51] <mischko> That too.
[01:51] <super_dude2> i got it from a friend who ordered it
[01:51] <Nalioth> mischko, or worse, taken over
[01:51] <dabaStnd> josh42: why would that be a simple way to play a wmv file?
[01:51] <mischko> I use FF for all my browsing these days.
[01:51] <crimsun> twizlar: ?
[01:51] <dabaStnd> super_dude2: read this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:51] <super_dude2> ok
[01:51] <Jormundgand> I switched from XP because I was worried I'd get backed into a corner I didn't want by some nasty proprietary extensions.
[01:51] <josh42> dabaStnd: The liveCD has a bunch of codecs that they don't put into the distro
[01:51] <twizlar> crimsun: i pasted in #flood
[01:51] <dabaStnd> haha
[01:52] <crimsun> twizlar: nope, you didn't.
[01:52] <sbcl3> josh42: i just did kill -1 -1 by mistake :P
[01:52] <twizlar> too much text :|
[01:52] <Nalioth> mischko, you can tell me that windoze is a responsible choice in business, when every day they discover a new way to take it over?
[01:52] <sbcl3> it just logged me off :(
[01:52] <dabaStnd> twizlar, you can use pastebin.com , as well,
[01:52] <crimsun> twizlar: /exec -o apt-cache policy php4
[01:52] <twizlar> there
[01:52] <dabaStnd> wow, sudo apt-get update, dude...
[01:52] <mischko> Nalioth, Not at all.  I love Linux.  I'm just saying that the linux community needs to be careful what aspects of Windoze they attack because they will discredit themselves if they aren't careful.
[01:52] <josh42> Nalioth; Anything that is dominant in terms of use will find new hacks daily.. there still exist rootkits for linux, which are a heck of alot more painful
[01:53] <twizlar> /exec: No such file or directory
[01:53] <twizlar> i already updated it
[01:53] <Nalioth> josh42, yes, but if you are a responsible user (ie, not using root account)
[01:53] <josh42> Nalioth; Ahh, but if you are a responsible user, you won't get infected in windows either
[01:53] <dabaStnd> Nalioth: um...you know that joke about why did Bill Gates call his company after his Pen**?
[01:54] <josh42> lol
[01:54] <XhyldazhK> is not that
[01:54] <sbcl3> everytime I log on there are applications that come at startup. How do I avoid this happening?
[01:54] <crimsun> twizlar: now paste your /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:54] <XhyldazhK> the real reason is that windows registry is very prone to corruption, even without viruses
[01:54] <dabaStnd> not build essential?
[01:54] <sbcl3> is it simply what you leave open the last session?
[01:54] <twizlar> k
[01:54] <josh42> quick general q: if my file copy fills the drive that contains root to 100%, will I have a crash?
[01:55] <crimsun> josh42: no, you'll get an error saying you lack disk space
[01:55] <Weiss> josh42: if the big file owned by root? if not, the filesystem might not even let you fill it up 100%
[01:55] <josh42> sbcl3: you can choose when you shut down if you want to leave it open or not
[01:55] <twizlar> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/283961
[01:55] <crimsun> "Linux: saving you from your worst enemy: yourself"
[01:55] <dabaStnd> what? I had an issue where my ubuntu hard drive gets full, and you cant log in through gdm, and you cant sudo, and some other issues...
[01:55] <josh42> Ok, good - Thank you crimsun and Weiss
[01:56] <dabaStnd> Weiss: it does,
[01:56] <crimsun> dabaStnd: most filesystems reserve 5% of / "for emergencies"
[01:56] <josh42> dabaStnd: had that issue when you filled it from a user account?
[01:56] <josh42> (running ext3)
[01:57] <Nalioth> josh42, you rarely are affected
[01:57] <super_dude2> im downloading mplayer so what do i do to install it i have had trobbles installing downloaded applications before.
[01:57] <lotusleaf> Coming Summer 2005 to theatres near you: The Last Bluescreen, starring Jesus Christ as himself. Tagline: "He took the Windows CD, broke it, and gave thanks by installing Ubuntu"
[01:57] <Nalioth> josh42, being a responsible user in windoze is too damned much work for me, thats why i switched to Apple over 3 years ago
[01:57] <crimsun> twizlar: a couple comments: 1) you only want the testing repo of debian-marillat, not stable and unstable; 2) run sudo aptitude update after making that adjustment.
[01:57] <Nalioth> josh42, my puters are for my enjoyment/productivity, not spending 1 day out of 10 shoring up defenses
[01:58] <lotusleaf>  being a responsible user in windoze is too damned much work for me, thats why i amputated my hands at the wrist
[01:58] <josh42> Nalioth: Hey, I don't blame you.. not saying that windows is the bomb, simply that you need to understand some things, no matter what you run
[01:58] <twizlar> crimsun: ok
[01:58] <dabaStnd> josh42: yes.
[01:58] <dabaStnd> my fs is likely linux.
[01:58] <XhyldazhK> twizlar: in which package is GL/gl.h located?
[01:58] <Nalioth> josh42, i build puters and no longer (as of 5 years ago) build wintel boxen
[01:58] <XhyldazhK> i mean, which package should I install??
[01:59] <Nalioth> josh42, i do not find it morally acceptable to build boxen for unknowing users
[01:59] <krazykook> but the real problem is that we cannot prove how corrupt American businesses really are because we cannot prove that wine ever existed
[01:59] <WeirdAl> Can anyone tell me an app such as gthumb that will play the slide show in a random order?
[01:59] <dabaStnd> lotusleaf:)
[01:59] <WeirdAl> Or from a given place
[01:59] <krazykook> or mingw
[01:59] <twizlar> uhh i dunno XhyldazhK
[01:59] <josh42> Nalioth: I'm with you.. infact, in certain situations, I simply leave them w/ 2 cdroms: one livecd to boot, and one for use :)
[01:59] <WeirdAl> were lotusleaf and mingw for me?
[01:59] <crimsun> XhyldazhK: please use packages.ubuntu.com
[02:00] <dabaStnd> lotusleaf: is a person on the channel
[02:00] <krazykook> and it is a terrible shame never to be able to prove anything because of corrupt corporations, big money and powerful corrupt politicians
[02:00] <dabaStnd> WeirdAl: tried pornview?
[02:00] <dabaStnd> :))
[02:00] <WeirdAl> No, but it sounds ideal
[02:00] <Zodiac> porn view eh?
[02:00] <WeirdAl> Assuming it exists.
[02:00] <Zodiac> I like the sounds of that...
[02:01] <dabaStnd> there is one
[02:01] <WeirdAl> Does it come with free samples?
[02:01] <dabaStnd> :))
[02:01] <josh42> krazykook: it's not proving it that's a problem, it's getting that proof out to the public
[02:01] <krazykook> krazykook: you cannot do it...this government labels you insane and won't even let you have a job for 11 years or even speak to your children
[02:01] <Zodiac> Can someone recomend a wireless PCMCIA card?
[02:01] <XhyldazhK> xlibmesa-gl-dev :)
[02:01] <WeirdAl> so...
[02:02] <WeirdAl> Is there one that's not got such an obvious name?
[02:02] <krazykook> josh42: there is no way they will let you prove anything
[02:02] <dabaStnd> zodiac, try the wiki for hardware support wireless cards...for onwe..
[02:02] <twizlar> crimsun: ok updated
[02:02] <rj-> theres porn-get
[02:02] <rj-> google it.
[02:02] <WeirdAl> ..
[02:02] <josh42> krazykook; It's been done, but like I say - you rarely see it
[02:02] <rj-> it acts like apt-get but downloads porn
[02:02] <dabaStnd> then look into ndiswrapper, and all cards that ndiswrapper lists are ok...
[02:02] <Zodiac> ha ha I think the damn card I bought is the only one not supported :(
[02:02] <WeirdAl> It still has "porn" in it.
[02:02] <josh42> krazykook; watch, for example, "The Corporation"
[02:02] <WeirdAl> And that won't display images :-p
[02:03] <Zodiac> Stupid lINKSYS SRX card :(
[02:03] <WeirdAl> ah well, apt-get remove is easy enough.
[02:03] <dabaStnd> stupid apple airport extreme card:(
[02:03] <zenlunatic> josh42: What are you talking about?
[02:03] <zenlunatic> dabaStnd: What about it?
[02:03] <dabaStnd> zenlunatic: well, for one.....rtfm
[02:03] <dabaStnd> :))
[02:03] <dabaStnd> jj
[02:04] <dabaStnd> they dont work on Linux
[02:04] <nderjm> Greetings from Jamrock
[02:04] <zenlunatic> dabaStnd: I wasn't aware that was in a manual.
[02:04] <WeirdAl> cheers dabaStnd
[02:04] <WeirdAl> That'll do nicely.
[02:04] <Nalioth> pornview is a great little image viewer
[02:04] <twizlar> crimsun: what else do i have to do ?, its still not working
[02:04] <dabaStnd> WeirdAl: wokred??????
[02:04] <WeirdAl> Time to go view, uh... porn.
[02:04] <WeirdAl> _
[02:04] <Nalioth> pornview is made for one and no handed use
[02:04] <zenlunatic> dabaStnd: If you know it doesn't work why are you bitching about it here?
[02:04] <nderjm> Does anyone know off any issues with Ubuntu as a gateway server?
[02:04] <dabaStnd> scroll up, zen...
[02:04] <crimsun> twizlar: did you ,,sudo aptitude update'' ?
[02:04] <sproingie> argh
[02:04] <crimsun> nderjm: nope
[02:04] <Nalioth> really! google "pornview homepage" use apt to install (i think its there0
[02:05] <zenlunatic> dabaStnd: Nevermind I really don't care.
[02:05] <sproingie> why doesn't 'C' work in aptitude?
[02:05] <dabaStnd> 19:03:20) Zodiac: Stupid lINKSYS SRX card :((19:03:35) dabaStnd: stupid apple airport extreme card:(
[02:05] <josh42> zenlunatic: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379225/
[02:05] <sproingie> keeps giving me error 2
[02:05] <twizlar> crimsun: yes
[02:05] <zenlunatic> josh42: Yes I know of the movie.
[02:05] <Zodiac> Now I have to purchase a new one, and lord knows what kind of damage I did trying to set it up ...
[02:06] <josh42> zenlunatic: It was my point that you can prove how bad big companies are, and I was using that movie as an example of proof
[02:06] <dabaStnd> hah, be careful, its not like its made of I dont know..something you can damage easily...
[02:06] <zenlunatic> josh42: I see.
[02:06] <crimsun> twizlar: pastebin the errors
[02:06] <dabaStnd> josh42: yeah, one in a many cases may be possible...
[02:06] <GeInK> hello
[02:06] <zenlunatic> josh42: I like how chomsky says they're private tyrannies.
[02:06] <twizlar> ok
[02:07] <dabaStnd> But, some of the "badness" is now law in some countries...
[02:07] <lotusleaf> Al Gore in a prom dress
[02:07] <zenlunatic> josh42: chomskytorrents.org
[02:07] <dabaStnd> its just a dress....
[02:07] <GeInK> what programs there are for linux utility?
[02:07] <twizlar> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/283964
[02:07] <josh42> zenlunatic: yeah, and the bit about it being a phychotic entity.. while overplayed; perfect
[02:08] <dabaStnd> zenlunatic: (zenlunatic)
[02:08] <josh42> zenlunatic: I can tell I'll like that already
[02:08] <dabaStnd> that was a hug for the link...
[02:08] <zenlunatic> dabaStnd: ?
[02:08] <zenlunatic> josh42: Its my current favorite site.
[02:08] <lotusleaf> GeInK: sourceforge.net + freshmeat.net = lots of utilities for linux
[02:08] <dabaStnd> zenlunatic: thanks for the link:)
[02:09] <crimsun> twizlar: hmm, archive problems again?
[02:09] <dabaStnd> crimsun: set to use bzip2?
[02:09] <crimsun> twizlar: you're not using a proxy, are you?
[02:09] <crimsun> dabaStnd: that's fine
[02:09] <crimsun> that was a transition goal for Hoary
[02:09] <twizlar> yea i am
[02:09] <twizlar> smoothwall router
[02:10] <zenlunatic> dabaStnd: sure.
[02:10] <josh42> zenlunatic; Wow.. you have any other awesome torrent sites?
[02:10] <lotusleaf> has anyone here ever used tinfoilhat linux? (yes, it's a real distro)
[02:10] <zenlunatic> josh42: Not off hand no :)
[02:10] <dabaStnd> or chomsky sites?
[02:10] <crimsun> twizlar: err, make sure your proxy isn't serving up old copies
[02:10] <zenlunatic> josh42: Too bad I already have all those albums.
[02:10] <zenlunatic> josh42: The vids are nice though.
[02:10] <crimsun> twizlar: try bypassing the proxy altogether
[02:10] <dabaStnd> are you saying that has a bunch of torrents with him? I love you man...
[02:10] <twizlar> crimsun: its not, i cleared the cache
[02:11] <twizlar> ok
[02:11] <josh42> zenlunatic: well, nothing wrong with sharing and caring, even if you've already paid ;)
[02:11] <zenlunatic> josh42: I might actually try to upload some files that I have.
[02:11] <twizlar> i can't really bypass it without removing it :|
[02:12] <zenlunatic> josh42: Sharing means your a pirate! Sharing is bad!
[02:12] <dabaStnd> zenlunatic: what? You have on your media more than that chomsky files???
[02:12] <Zodiac> Yar
[02:12] <dabaStnd> hey, Zodiac
[02:13] <zenlunatic> dabaStnd: Yes. Lol.
[02:13] <Zodiac> I'm back :)
[02:13] <dabaStnd> zenlunatic: wow...whats your IP?:)
[02:13] <dabaStnd> connect to my ftp, and upload me some files, pls.
[02:13] <josh42> zenlunatic: Arrrr - Sharing be good for the environment
[02:13] <Zodiac> When I get this wireless card installed and working I am going to go insane with joy
[02:14] <dabaStnd> josh42: its like following the robin hood principle...
[02:14] <dabaStnd> you like, steal from the rich, and give to the poor...
[02:14] <josh42> Zodiac: Does it work through the livecd?
[02:14] <zenlunatic> dabaStnd: I don't have the kind of bandwidth to host.
[02:14] <Zodiac> No... I think it is way to new
[02:14] <dabaStnd> zenlunatic: well, whatever, thanks for that link...
[02:14] <Zodiac> It is the new SBX line of cards
[02:14] <Zodiac> from linksys
[02:14] <krazykook> dabaStnd: unfortunately this government steals from the poor and gives to the rich
[02:14] <lotusleaf> In 9 minutes ubuntu will be MINE! Muahahahahahahahh! The 56k download is almost complete!
[02:15] <Zodiac> 56K?
[02:15] <josh42> dabaStnd: Except, in the case of data, as long as the initial content wants to be free; as in a message that needs to be heard; you are not stealing from anybody, simply copying for the poor
[02:15] <Zodiac> My god man
[02:15] <lotusleaf> yup
[02:15] <dabaStnd> krazykook: wel...al government reaslly...soem more...
[02:15] <krazykook> dabaStnd: they force the poor to be consumers of the rich with their corrupt legal system
[02:15] <dabaStnd> krazykook: more media...I think.
[02:15] <krazykook> those they don't put in prison for slave labor
[02:15] <dabaStnd> OT....
[02:15] <lotusleaf> Zodiac: took 30 some hours to download the 1 iso for ubuntu
[02:15] <lotusleaf> 8 minutes left! woo!
[02:15] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:16] <Zodiac> I bet it crashes
[02:16] <zenlunatic> quick ping flood lotusleaf
[02:16] <josh42> lotusleaf: ouch - that's a commitment!
[02:16] <dabaStnd> or bad checksum:-p
[02:16] <lotusleaf> Zodiac: or the md5sum is wrong ;)
[02:16] <Razor-X> Star Wars Revelations is awesome
[02:16] <nobile> haha an dI was surprised that mine took 11 hours =P
[02:16] <Zodiac> What are you running now lotus?
[02:16] <lotusleaf> josh42: indeed :) saves shipit.ubuntu people money though ;-)
[02:16] <dabaStnd> zenlunatic: hah.
[02:16] <krazykook> Razor-X: yes and free too
[02:16] <lotusleaf> Zodiac: SUSE (queue canned laughter)
[02:16] <Razor-X> mmmhmmm
[02:16] <Zodiac> I like Suse...
[02:17] <dabaStnd> yeah, its like a free working  OS download straight from teh source,,,
[02:17] <krazykook> Razor-X: the Brazilians say "The future is free"
[02:17] <josh42> lotusleaf: And it saves time, in a sense ;)
[02:17] <Razor-X> don't even joke about long downloads.... *remembers downloading 52 Debian disks on Dial Up*
[02:17] <Zodiac> The brazilians are communist
[02:17] <Razor-X> krazykook: heh
[02:17] <lotusleaf> Zodiac: I hate waiting for their free version.. I hate RPMs
[02:17] <lotusleaf> josh42: ;)
[02:17] <josh42> Razor-X - Ever DL files over 1200baud? ;P
[02:17] <Zodiac> word, I agree
[02:17] <Zodiac> forgot about that
[02:17] <Razor-X> josh42: I remember 14000 ;)
[02:18] <Zodiac> Ubuntu is bad ass I must admit
[02:18] <Razor-X> before that, I don't really think I was alive
[02:18] <dabaStnd> I used to BBS, I think, it was some system,..
[02:18] <Razor-X> or if I was, I was too young to use a computer anywho
[02:18] <dabaStnd> 9600?
[02:18] <lotusleaf> Jesus christ, only 5 minutes and I get to taste ubuntu!
[02:18] <josh42> Razor: I couldn't even run my 14000 when I bought it - didn't have the buffers ;)
[02:18] <Dave2|Laptop> I remember 9600!
[02:18] <dabaStnd> lotusleaf: never saw it?
[02:18] <lotusleaf> dabaStnd: i've been waiting to use it..
[02:18] <dabaStnd> right, i thiink my mom had one b4 that even...
[02:18] <josh42> 9600 was the bomb.. xmodem and the whole bit
[02:19] <Dave2|Laptop> However I think I was 8 or something at the time.
[02:19] <dabaStnd> lotusleaf: so its not installed on any of your computers?
[02:19] <Razor-X> the first computer I ever used was a top-o-the-line (still standing) Packard Bell Pentium 100, with a whopping 8 MB RAM, and 14000 baud modem
[02:19] <Zodiac> I am such a linux n00b
[02:19] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:19] <dabaStnd> Dave2|Laptop: me prob 2...
[02:19] <Razor-X> "1 MB Graphics memory, upgradable to 2!"
[02:19] <darkaudit> s/hanset/handset
[02:19] <josh42> darkaudit: you win - lol
[02:19] <Razor-X> that's a direct  quote from the little sticker thingie
[02:19] <waterbeetle> first computers... apple 2+ 48k
[02:19] <dabaStnd> Zodiac: do you know any Unix??
[02:19] <dabaStnd> Zodiac: It is a system now...
[02:19] <Zodiac> little to non ha ha
[02:20] <dabaStnd> e
[02:20] <Zodiac> But slowly I am learning...
[02:20] <josh42> I had a trs-80 after they were cool.. a whole 64K of memory!
[02:20] <Razor-X> that same computer now has 40 MB RAM, not a 1 GB HDD, but a 3 GB HDD, and it now has an ethernet card
[02:20] <lotusleaf> 4 minutes!
[02:20] <Razor-X> and DSL
[02:20] <dabaStnd> Zodiac: its pretty cool....
[02:20] <Razor-X> (DSL == Damn Small LInux)
[02:20] <lotusleaf> dabaStnd: as I said, I haven't used ubuntu yet, but I will be later today
[02:20] <dabaStnd> lotusleaf: man, happy new yaer
[02:20] <Zodiac> The "free" part makes me like it... but this driver business is horrendous
[02:20] <Razor-X> lotusleaf: it's worth the wait
[02:21] <darkaudit> so where's the May pic for Ubuntu-calendar?
[02:21] <lotusleaf> 3 minutes!
[02:21] <dabaStnd> Zodiac: so-so,..next time you know what to buy, at least...IBMs have pretty good spport/
[02:21] <dabaStnd> u
[02:21] <Zodiac> I am on a IBM T30....
[02:21] <Zodiac> It never came with a PCMCIA card
[02:21] <dabaStnd> really, maybe that is the only one then?
[02:21] <dabaStnd> oh, so you bought a weird one?
[02:22] <Zodiac> I dunno... I got it free from work :)
[02:22] <Jormundgand> Are there any more complete icon sets which match well with the Edge icons?
[02:22] <dabaStnd> and there was none, hey? well, yeah, you got one now compatible?
[02:22] <TheShoe> just installed kubuntu 5.04 (great product) but have a problem - how do i open videos on a windows share to play in vlc? when i try to open them from konquer it downloads the entire file before playing... i want it to stream - how do i set this up??
[02:22] <josh42> Hey, are there any good bootable distros for 96MB of ram? something with more games/apps than DSL, but still is easily usable
[02:23] <tremblay> Nous vaincrons!
[02:23] <dabaStnd> TheShoe: there is also #kubuntu
[02:23] <Zodiac> I dunno if you can stream video from your own hard drive....
[02:23] <Razor-X> I got my friend's HDD working, some of the drive is stupid, but, most of it was a software problem
[02:23] <Razor-X> TheShoe: lemme help you
[02:23] <lotusleaf> josh42: tinfoilhat linux - floppy distro with morse code numlock game
[02:23] <Razor-X> do you have VLC installed, TheShoe?
[02:23] <josh42> lotusleaf: rofl
[02:23] <Razor-X> (this is the exact setup i'm using, by the way)
[02:23] <waterbeetle> Jormundgand, you tried :http://art.gnome.org/ ?
[02:23] <TheShoe> (stream from a windows computer on my lan - used to do this on ubuntu 4.10 - not sure how to do it on kubutu)
[02:24] <TheShoe> yes i have vlc installed
[02:24] <Razor-X> as long as you have VLC, it should be the same
[02:24] <josh42> mplayer should be able to stream as well.. worse case: mount the share
[02:24] <Razor-X> because, the program didn't really change
[02:24] <Razor-X> make sure you got Samba and the like setup
[02:24] <Razor-X> hold on, gonna burn my first CD in Kubuntu ;)
[02:24] <lotusleaf> IT'S DONE!
[02:25] <TheShoe> when i click on avi in konquer and try to open with vlc, it starts downloading the whole file, which is inconvenient if my avi is 2 gigs
[02:25] <dabaStnd> lotusleaf: happy new year!!!
[02:25] <Jormundgand> waterbeetle: nothing.
[02:25] <josh42> TheShoe: open vlc and open it from there
[02:25] <Razor-X> TheShoe: open up VLC, and then go to File->Open Network Stream (Ctrl+N)
[02:25] <Zodiac> Okay I am done with this card... I am returning it... it isnt in the ndis list either
[02:26] <dabaStnd> Zodiac: :(, well, what can yuo do...
[02:26] <dabaStnd> what is the name?
[02:26] <waterbeetle> Jormundgand, wher'd you get the Edge icons?
[02:26] <Zodiac> ummm
[02:26] <dabaStnd> and model, everything...
[02:26] <TheShoe> its not a real network stream (not being broadcast), just want to play a movie stored on another compuyter without having to download the whole thing first
[02:26] <josh42> Zodiac: Try and get oronco (sp?) card - the one that was all the rage with wardrivers.. great driver support :)
[02:26] <Zodiac> WRC54GX
[02:26] <Jormundgand> waterbeetle: Gnome-look.org and there's nothing really there either.
[02:26] <dabaStnd> jusgt a sec.
[02:26] <Zodiac> Oronco?
[02:26] <waterbeetle> ...
[02:26] <Zodiac> What is that?
[02:26] <Razor-X> TheShoe: open it like normal from VLC
[02:27] <Razor-X> but, open VLC first
[02:27] <lotusleaf> yes! the md5sum checks out! woo hoo! I have ubuntu! wooooooooooooooooooo! after a very long 56k download
[02:27] <josh42> Zodiac: Sorry - Lucent Orinoco
[02:27] <Nalioth> lotusleaf, good things come to those who wait
[02:27] <josh42> lotusleaf: Watch you don't explode when it boots ;)
[02:27] <lotusleaf> josh42: ;)
[02:27] <TheShoe> Razor-X, I dont want to mount the network drive though
[02:28] <lotusleaf> Nalioth:  :)
[02:28] <Jormundgand> * lotusleaf has quit IRC (Read error: Excess human entrails on system)
[02:28] <Razor-X> TheShoe: if you can access it in Konqueror, access the same point using VLC
[02:28] <Zodiac> Lucent Orinoco? Will Ubuntu detect it?
[02:28] <IFR> Anyone using xfce4 under ubuntu?
[02:28] <ryman> whats the best way to format Ubuntu  and install a clean Hoary ?
[02:28] <dabaStnd> I upgraded right after installing warty.
[02:28] <Jormundgand> ryman: Put disk in system, drool, boot Hoary.
[02:28] <dabaStnd> It works great...
[02:29] <khagen> ryman: why format ubuntu?
[02:29] <josh42> ryman: Wipe the partitions
[02:29] <TheShoe> when i access in konquere its smb://server/folder/file - cant get to this point in vlc
[02:29] <IFR> ryman, that's probably: wipe partitions other than /home ;)
[02:29] <ryman> I'm confused
[02:29] <dabaStnd> Zodiac: where are you on the globe?
[02:30] <IFR> TheShoe, you're trying to mount a samba drive
[02:30] <IFR> ?
[02:30] <khagen> TheShoe: I'm afraid you'll have to mount hte network-share to run it with vlc.
[02:30] <Razor-X> i'm pretty sure you have to mount it
[02:30] <dabaStnd> ryman: what confused you, answer khagen...
[02:30] <TheShoe> IFR - no i am not trying to mount, never used to have to when i was using ubuntu (gnome)
[02:30] <Razor-X> this stupid trackball keeps making me drool.... :(
[02:31] <josh42> What package do I need to install to try out openoffic 2 beta?
[02:31] <Zodiac> Daba I am in Buffalo New York
[02:31] <dabaStnd> Zodiac: this page is ok for figuring out what card you want: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards .
[02:31] <lok> openoffice2.org
[02:31] <IFR> TheShoe: Sorry it was a question. .
[02:31] <waterbeetle> ryman its a simple install
[02:31] <lok> then -writer or -math for exemple
[02:31] <IFR> I think you'll have to mount it though. if you want to write to it
[02:32] <dabaStnd> Zodiac: any card with a prism 2 and some other chipsets will work...
[02:32] <TheShoe> IFR - I was not meaning to offend, sorry, just state the facts
[02:32] <IFR> You didn
[02:32] <khagen> dabaStnd ryman: Why not just upgrade to hoary? But if you really wish to reinstall the whole system, the cdrom is the easyest solution.
[02:32] <IFR> s /didn't/didn
[02:32] <TheShoe> khagen - you must be right, ill try mplayer
[02:32] <Razor-X> ah hah, first CD in Kubuntu is done
[02:33] <TheShoe> thanks for the help guys (and girls)
[02:33] <thr1ce> anyone know what version of gnome is in breezy atm ?
[02:33] <IFR> Good on ya, Razor-X
[02:33] <Razor-X> now, the last Christening thing is to print something
[02:33] <dabaStnd> khagen: um, he did not answer did he?
[02:33] <khagen> dabaStnd: nope
[02:33] <IFR> Okay, so no one's really using xfce or xfce4?
[02:33] <TheShoe> khagen said i have to mount to watch in vlc
[02:33] <dabaStnd> k, well...there are some reasons why wnt to install a hoary...
[02:33] <TheShoe> which seems to be true
[02:33] <Razor-X> TheShoe: you do, unfortunately
[02:33] <thr1ce> anyone using breezy?
[02:34] <dabaStnd> some...
[02:34] <khagen> TheShoe: Using mplayer probably won't work either.
[02:34] <waterbeetle> Jormundgand, thx just downloaded Edge icons
[02:34] <TheShoe> it works in kaffein
[02:34] <thr1ce> what version of gnome is in breezy?
[02:34] <IFR> TheShoe, I don't presume anything with this but do you need to  know how to mount it or do you have it?
[02:34] <ryman> khagen, I just wanted to reformat it
[02:35] <ryman> I have too much time on my hand
[02:35] <khagen> ryman: use the CD.
[02:35] <TheShoe> i know the command, is there a point and click way?
[02:35] <dabaStnd> thr1ce: you can easily find out which versions are n hoary by changing sources, updateing, and cache searching, but do not upgrade:)
[02:35] <IFR> I've never really found a GUI way which is as effective as the command line.
[02:35] <ryman> khagen, thanks
[02:35] <thr1ce> i thought this would be easier, but I guess noone in here is using breezy atm
[02:35] <Zodiac> I am thinking about getting this one...
[02:35] <Razor-X> TheShoe: don't you find CLI better?
[02:35] <Zodiac> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00008I9K8/104-3896350-1587163?v=glance
[02:35] <dabaStnd> well, asking here may be easier,...
[02:35] <dabaStnd> for you:)
[02:35] <khagen> ryman: ps. heed the advice stated above: Don't format your home partition unless you like losing all your data and settings.
[02:36] <hellrazer> i love ubuntu
[02:36] <thr1ce> seeing as though I'm not on my ubuntu box right now :(
[02:36] <Razor-X> I, frankly, prefer CLI because it's faster, and to me, feels easier
[02:36] <josh42> is there a way to do de-interlacing for DVDs in xine?
[02:36] <thr1ce> that's why I was asking in here
[02:36] <josh42> lol - nm
[02:36] <dabaStnd> thr1ce: away from home?
[02:37] <thr1ce> dabaStnd: yeah
[02:37] <thr1ce> on my old slack box
[02:37] <dabaStnd> StNd Daba...:)
[02:37] <dabaStnd> :-*
[02:37] <thr1ce> any place to have a visual "current" list of packs in breezy
[02:37] <thr1ce> through an ftp or something?
[02:38] <TheShoe> Razor-X, pointing and clicking is easier for me, dont have time to master millions of commands (use the computer for watching movies, and web, not techie stuff)
[02:38] <dabaStnd> probly, get the .z from the main...
[02:39] <Behemoth> is it possible to umount swap?
[02:39] <khagen> CLI rules, plus it's easyer to tell people what to do.. type this type that blah blah blah..
[02:39] <dabaStnd> TheShoe: some things are easier command line:)
[02:39] <waterbeetle> Behemoth, why?
[02:39] <dabaStnd> but, for jsut a media center...:/
[02:39] <Behemoth> waterbeetle, to change my partition setup
[02:40] <khagen> dabaStnd: Probably not.
[02:40] <dabaStnd> yeah..thats my point, but almost any file management is easier command line...
[02:40] <waterbeetle> Behemoth, you can use cfdisk
[02:40] <khagen> dabaStnd: As in, for a media-center the CLI is probably not eayer.
[02:40] <TheShoe> dabaStnd, yes i understand that, especially in linux, but there should be easy point and click ways to do most things (apart from maybe really advanced complex things) for people like me
[02:40] <dabaStnd> got ya:)
[02:41] <dabaStnd> there are, arent there?
[02:41] <Razor-X> why has the Winamp plugin devolved from Now Playing in Playlist, to Now Playing, to NP
[02:41] <dabaStnd> I could be a whole day without cli, probly...
[02:41] <Razor-X> can netspeak get any easier?
[02:41] <dabaStnd> or longer, as long as windows, if I was not lazy...
[02:41] <TheShoe> if you can tell me how to click my way to mounting a windows share, ill believe you :>
[02:41] <Razor-X> dabaStnd: I have to have CLI, even on Windows
[02:41] <khagen> Razor-X: winamp?? isn't that WINamp??
[02:41] <Behemoth> waterbeetle, I need to resize extended patrition wich contains the swap and make 2 partition inside the bigger extended patrition: swap and another ext3 partition
[02:42] <dabaStnd> TheShoe: that is the whole thing about cli being easier...
[02:42] <Razor-X> khagen: ok then, WINamp
[02:42] <dabaStnd> Ill show you a way to write a script, and add it to your right click.
[02:42] <IFR> Okay, is anyone using *any* multiple desktops on ubuntu? Like both KDE and Gnome?
[02:42] <Behemoth> waterbeetle, I can do that with cfdisk
[02:42] <Behemoth> ?
[02:42] <dabaStnd> IFR: wtf...
[02:42] <khagen> Razor-X: No, I didn't mean it that way, do you have winamp on linux?
[02:42] <dabaStnd> :)
[02:42] <Razor-X> nopes
[02:42] <dabaStnd> ifr I use workspaces in my gnome...
[02:42] <IFR> dabaStnd, wtfw?
[02:42] <Razor-X> VLC/XMMS
[02:42] <dabaStnd> jj
[02:42] <waterbeetle> Behemoth, no don't use cfdisk
[02:43] <waterbeetle> dah
[02:43] <TheShoe> dbaStnd: that would be awesome, so long as this "command" doesnt mount my documents folder as a share on the internet ;)
[02:43] <IFR> dabaStnd, no no. Given a choice at log in - which window manager you want for that session. That way users can select what they want
[02:43] <Razor-X> BestBuy is over priced sh**
[02:43] <dabaStnd> TheShoe: :)
[02:43] <Razor-X> selling a product for $10 more than they advertise on the site, stupid rip-off artists.....
[02:43] <IFR> I was wondering how Ubuntu's log in screen dealt with it.
[02:43] <dabaStnd> basically, open a file through your text editor in apps, access..
[02:44] <Razor-X> TheShoe: doesen't it take less time to type in two lines?
[02:44] <dabaStnd> then save it to your home folder as smbMnt
[02:44] <dabaStnd> and type in all the commands that you do through a cli.
[02:44] <Razor-X> well, two lines the first time, after you mkdir it, there's no more mkdir'ing
[02:45] <Razor-X> same reason I can't go without Total Commander in Windows, point and click is just so damn ineffecient
[02:45] <dabaStnd> add '#! /usr/bash' as the first line and save. then add execution permissions, and click ok. then, double click the file in nautilus.
[02:45] <dabaStnd> and choose to run...
[02:45] <dabaStnd> and after that your partition will be mounted.
[02:45] <Razor-X> brb, gonna count my money
[02:47] <dabaStnd> razor, he can make an alias as well, but the thing is that most ppl that think windows is easier dont even know about the concept of aliases, let alone scripts...
[02:47] <TheShoe> ok thanks everyone, ill go try it out
[02:47] <kanuha> would this command bind control-alt-s to a program?  bind C-M-s /usr/bin/program name
[02:48] <Razor-X> back
[02:48] <dabaStnd> read what I posted.
[02:48] <dabaStnd> :)
[02:48] <Razor-X> dabaStnd; yeah, I guess so
[02:48] <tim__> Is there a special IRC channel for the PPC version of Ubuntu? :)
[02:48] <thr1ce> no gaim update in breezy yet ?
[02:48] <QMario> Why are three "***" in front of someone's nickname with a message attached?
[02:48] <dabaStnd> well, trust me it is so...b4 i took a coutrse in Unix, I did not know myselrf, and I was around computers all my life as well.
[02:49] <dabaStnd> tim__: why do you ask?
[02:49] <Razor-X> I have enough money for two rechargeable batteries (dad already has a charger), a cordless Trackball that I want, and some money i'm gonna give to my friend to buy me a Go book
[02:49] <dabaStnd> tim__: Nalioth, and I , and proabbly others have PPC...
[02:49] <Razor-X> dabaStnd: this year is the first computer course I'm taking, it's in Excel/Word/stupid Windows stuff
[02:49] <Razor-X> it's sad, I have an A+ in the class
[02:49] <tim__> dabaStnd, I ask because I have a question or two about it -- it works (Yay!) on my 2000 model iBook (the LiveCD), but there are some things I'd like to know before actually installing it.
[02:49] <dabaStnd> hah?! why would you take that?????(more ?*infinity...)
[02:49] <Razor-X> only one programming language I know was taught to me in a class
[02:50] <Razor-X> dabaStnd: stupid school prereqs
[02:50] <dabaStnd> tim__: like what?
[02:50] <thr1ce> noone's running breezy atm ?
[02:50] <Razor-X> and, that was Pasqal
[02:50] <Burgundavia> thr1ce, I am, don't upgrade
[02:50] <dabaStnd> Razor-X: no...they cant make you take intro to computers...
[02:50] <dabaStnd> what University is that cruel?
[02:50] <Razor-X> as a result, my programming style is pretty..... mmm, unstructured if you will (int x = 5 right before cin ;-P)
[02:50] <thr1ce> Burgundavia: why, I havn'et had a problem with it yet
[02:50] <kanuha> would this command bind control-alt-s to a program?  bind C-M-s /usr/bin/program name
[02:50] <Razor-X> dabaStnd: no no no, i'm a Freshman in HS ;-P
[02:50] <tim__> dabaStnd, what sort of PPC machine do you use? A showstopper for me (*maybe* not a showstopper, but ...) is whether the iBook's internal modem is supported. Or any particular known USB modems ...
[02:51] <Burgundavia> thr1ce, stuff is breaking
[02:51] <dabaStnd> ah...
[02:51] <thr1ce> Burgundavia: as of when?
[02:51] <Burgundavia> thr1ce, right now?
[02:51] <thr1ce> lol
[02:51] <thr1ce> why do you say that?
[02:51] <dabaStnd> tim__: good question, not sure...I have a newer, a g4, nalioth has a g3...ask him.
[02:51] <khagen> hanuha: In gnome?
[02:51] <tim__> If USB modems are nowadays easily supported, that would be a fine solution ...
[02:51] <Razor-X> got into Linux when I was about.... mmm, 10 I believe
[02:52] <tim__> dabaStnd, thanks for the pointer.
[02:52] <dabaStnd> tim__: +I dont use the modem:(
[02:52] <kanuha> khagen: kde
[02:52] <sobersabre> are there ubuntu patches for 2.6.12-rc4 ?
[02:52] <Razor-X> but i'm not going into anything compupter-wise, mind you
[02:52] <tim__> dabaStnd, it's getting to the point where I don't use it much either, but ... that's Murphy's law ;)
[02:52] <tim__> wireless is getting ever more widespread.
[02:52] <khagen> kanuha: You can provide a menu item with a shorcut. Check out the menu-item's properties.
[02:52] <Razor-X> tim__: I have the Murphy's (Sod's) Law formula memorized, want me to calculate for you? ;)
[02:52] <thr1ce> Burgundavia: like what?
[02:53] <dabaStnd> tim, right, well, I got it just now, Ive been without a modem for a while, +first laptop...
[02:53] <Burgundavia> thr1ce, mono and dbug right now
[02:53] <sbcl3> i have the following graphics card: SAPPHIRE 100572-1 Radeon 9600SE 128MB 64-bit DDR AGP 4X/8X Video
[02:53] <sbcl3> do i need a driver for it
[02:53] <thr1ce> Burgundavia: has gaim been updated to 1.30 yet ?
[02:53] <tim__> However, the iBook has been my "travel with" machine because it's proven durable to me :) And modem is sometimes needed, since I telecommute and like to take random trips :)
[02:53] <sbcl3> I can't get 1154x864 (something like that) resolution
[02:53] <Burgundavia> thr1ce, think so
[02:54] <dabaStnd> tim__: yeah, I totally see your concern:)
[02:54] <khagen> sbcl3: I think that's the firegl package.
[02:54] <tim__> the 5.0.4 PPC LiveCD is awesome though :)
[02:54] <thr1ce> Burgundavia: hm...you sure ?  i'm browsing packages.ubuntu.com, and can't find it
[02:54] <sbcl3> khagen: i'll go check
[02:54] <sbcl3> can i get it with synaptic?
[02:54] <dabaStnd> you used it, hey, what about your modem, did it work there??
[02:54] <khagen> sbcl3: Yup, but i'm not sure firegl is the proper name. wait.
[02:55] <Burgundavia> thr1ce, don't use it, sorry
[02:55] <tim__> It doesn't seem to see my machine's hard drive (as Knoppix / Mepis does on a PC), but I imagine that's because of filesystem concerns, as in, not reading the Mac's filesystem by default. (At least, that's what I've talked myself into believing ;))
[02:55] <dabaStnd> yeah, I dont know why you  cant read the mac drive...
[02:55] <dabaStnd> file system.
[02:55] <sobersabre> hello, guys.. does anybody know and answer ?
[02:56] <khagen> sbcl3: Sorry, it used to be something like that for ATI cards, but no longer I quess.
[02:56] <tim__> dabaStnd, I got the modem admin thing, and it seemed to find the modem (listed the port it was attached to, etc), let me enter a number, but I was not successful in getting it to connect.
[02:56] <kanuha> sbcl3: check out this page for your graphics card.. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=ati
[02:56] <dabaStnd> sobersabre: :)
[02:56] <tim__> That doesn't mean it "doesn't work" -- only that I didn't get it to work :)
[02:56] <dabaStnd> drunksabre more like it...
[02:56] <dabaStnd> tim__: aha...
[02:56] <khagen> Razor-X: I understand you and tim__ are ppc users?
[02:56] <dabaStnd> sobersabre: what did that mean? know and answer?
[02:57] <dabaStnd> khagen: I understand:_
[02:57] <tim__> dabaStnd, if I can find people who are *using* it successfully, that's what's important :) ME getting it to work might take some wailing and gnashing of teeth, but I'd like to find that it's possible (or with USB modem, etc).
[02:57] <dabaStnd> ask nalioth
[02:57] <Nalioth> ask me what?
[02:57] <khagen> dabaStnd: as in, i think so based on the conversation.
[02:57] <tim__> Of course, for domestic, car travel I could do the slightly bulky solution, which is wireless box + external modem, controlled by serial port on the wireless box :)
[02:58] <dabaStnd> sobersabre: please tell me what you meant
[02:58] <tim__> And that's not a bad way to go, just means being stuck with nothing if traveling without it.
[02:58] <dabaStnd> Nalioth: does yuor modem in the PPC work in ubuntu?
[02:58] <tim__> dabaStnd, I really was about to ask :) Thanks.
[02:58] <dabaStnd> :)
[02:58] <dabaStnd> stnd daba...
[02:59] <khagen> dabaStnd: Sorry, I'm thinking of buying a powermac but I'm not sure if opengl support for nvidia cards is available (I heard conflicting stories.)
[02:59] <dabaStnd> i have an ati in g4 I think...
[02:59] <Hussam> is there a linux download manager that can integrate with firefox?
[03:00] <kanuha> sbcl3: check out this page for your graphics card.. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=ati
[03:00] <Burgundavia> Hussam, aria
[03:00] <khagen> dabaStnd: Do you have accelerated gl?
[03:00] <Burgundavia> Hussam, I use downloadTHEMall
[03:00] <sbcl3> i have another question.....why can't I stop the x server with alt+ctrl+backspace?
[03:00] <sbcl3> it seems to redirect me to the graphical logon
[03:00] <dabaStnd> it restars.
[03:00] <dabaStnd> t
[03:00] <Nalioth> dabaStnd, i havent used a modem in years, sorry
[03:01] <khagen> sbcl3: try [CTRL] -[ALT] -[F1] , login. $/etc/init.d/gdm/stop
[03:01] <khagen> [ctrl] -[alt] -[backspace]  = Xserver restart.
[03:01] <tim__> Heh. Nalioth is it an Apple laptop that you're running Ubuntu on?
[03:01] <sbcl3> why does it redirect me though?
[03:01] <Hussam> Burgundavia: thanks, I'll try aria? will it integrate with firefox?
[03:02] <khagen> sbcl3: redirect?
[03:02] <dabaStnd> I was reading the wiki, about laptop hardware support, and for apple notebooks, this is one of the columns: "Not works ?"...cute
[03:02] <sbcl3> yes
[03:02] <Nalioth> tim__, yes an iBook G3/600
[03:02] <Burgundavia> Hussam, you need a download manager that can integrate with aria
[03:02] <sbcl3> it takes me to a non-graphical screen then before i can do anything to the gdm graphical logon
[03:02] <khagen> sbcl3: to gdm? xserver restarts, and it starts with gdm.
[03:02] <tim__> Nalioth, the live version did a great job on my iBook *as* a live CD -- yeah, I have the 500MHz version instead of 600.
[03:02] <Hussam> Burgundavia: such as?
[03:02] <Burgundavia> Hussam, I don't remember, sorry
[03:02] <sbcl3> khagen: maybe i just need the card drivers to see the difference in xorg.conf...
[03:03] <Burgundavia> Hussam, it will say on the extension though
[03:03] <dort> does apt-listbugs work pretty well in ubuntu?
[03:03] <sobersabre> dabaStnd, i've seen an ubuntu package "ubuntu-patches" for 2.6.10
[03:03] <Hussam> Burgundavia: so I should look for a firefox extension that integrates with aria?
[03:03] <Nalioth> tim__, it does a great job installed, as well
[03:03] <sbcl3> and i'm having another problem....i probably did something to x this session and i can't open up any applications
[03:03] <dabaStnd> sobersabre: is taht your question?
[03:04] <Burgundavia> Hussam, correct
[03:04] <foxiness> im can not update my sys there are problem
[03:04] <tim__> Nalioth, Yes, I'm edging closer to installing it :) And I guess I could sidestep the modem issue, with external modem + base station attached.
[03:04] <sobersabre> is there a list of patches i should apply for 2.6.12-rc4  to have them ?
[03:04] <Nalioth> tim__, or wireless (works great)
[03:05] <Nalioth> tim__, wireless broadband via the neighbor(s)
[03:05] <foxiness> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[03:06] <tim__> Nalioth, Yes -- the wireless worked great for me; it's getting less and less of an issue (I'm about to go back to school, anyhow), but from West Memphis Arkansas or little towns in Utah or the Dakotas, wireless just isn't there from the neighbors ;)
[03:06] <tim__> Is anyone on here using Ubuntu with a USB modem?
[03:06] <tim__> (Or has done so, that is ;))
[03:07] <khagen> tim__: nope, but what's the problem?
[03:07] <tim__> Heck, I've not used a USB modem with *any* version of Linux, I guess that would be the same question.
[03:08] <josh42> oo - what's the best open-source solution for encoding video? Like, something that will be supported ootb on ubuntu?
[03:08] <Nalioth> tim__ yup
[03:09] <tim__> khagen, none. I'm not-quite-fixated on modem support for my iBook, and until I know it can be done, I'm hesitating. At least until I am reunited with my SMC barricade + cheap 56K external combo, presently on the wrong coast from me ;)
[03:09] <tim__> khagen So that's not a *problem* at the moment, just trying to find the info :)
[03:10] <tim__> If I was in Seattle at the moment instead of visiting family on the east coast, I could install, play, reinstall Mac OS X if I was unhappy with it, but right now I've got to just put up with what I have for a bit :)
[03:10] <lucas_> hola
[03:10] <sbcl3> khagen: that /etc/init.d command didn't work
[03:10] <sbcl3> it kept saying it wasn't a directory
[03:10] <khagen> tim__: annoying eh, no broadband.
[03:10] <tim__> One thing that's impressive: Xsane supports the HP scanner I grabbed this weekend at a yard sale, OS X does not ;)
[03:11] <khagen> sbcl3: What's your xorg.conf?
[03:11] <tim__> khagen, I actually *have* broadband at the various haunts where I actually *live*, but I'll be doing some cross-country traveling soon, and sometimes a dialup line is all there is ;)
[03:11] <sbcl3> khagen: what do you mean?
[03:11] <tim__> I look forward to no longer paying $10 for a dialup account that I rarely use ;)
[03:12] <sbcl3> khagen: what was the name of the package for the graphics card that i needed?
[03:12] <lucas_> alguien habla espaol??
[03:12] <waterbeetle> tim__: when you ran PPC from the live-cd, was your modem recognized in the device manager?
[03:12] <sbcl3> sbcl3 no hablo espanol :(
[03:13] <Mr_Smiley> I just installed quake3 and now I have a "Other" Entry under Applications. How can I remove it?
[03:13] <khagen> sbcl3: Don't know, it used to be firegl or something like that, but those are only accelerated graphics drivers. I don't think that has anything to do with your screen-resolution.
[03:13] <sbcl3> i wish it would go higher :(
[03:13] <tim__> waterbeetle, well, I ran the admin tool for network setup, asked it to autoprobe / locate, and it seemed to find it, Yes. However, I didn't / couldn't  get it to dial, and I don't know whether that's because I'm a perpetual newbie, or because it just doesn't work :)
[03:14] <khagen> sbcl3: can you send me your xorg.conf?
[03:14] <sbcl3> want me to past the lines i modified?
[03:14] <sbcl3> i'll /msg you
[03:14] <tim__> Hmm. My mom's iBook is nearby; I'll boot that into the LiveCD and see if I can ask a better question ;)
[03:14] <tim__> (Rather than reboot this one)
[03:14] <waterbeetle> tim__: i don't use my modem either, but I can see it recognized in the device manager.  I think modems are easier used than graphics cards?
[03:15] <tim__> waterbeetle, they sure should be, huh? :) Also, I have higher hopes with the Apple modem than with Ye Olde Randomme WinModem or other software modem ...
[03:15] <tim__> Since there are fewer variants of it, I'd assume.
[03:15] <waterbeetle> hehe
[03:15] <tim__> In fact, I'm not even sure -- I assume it's a software modem in here, but couldn't prove it.
[03:16] <universal> does someone know about why i cant run Enemy Territory. ?
[03:16] <^thehatsrule^> ET!!
[03:16] <universal> it doesent go further than a kind of sound initialazion
[03:16] <Nalioth> tim__, when its time to install tiger, its a good time to partition and dual boot
[03:16] <josh42> anyone know which file I need to burn a bootable damn small linux?
[03:17] <^thehatsrule^> josh, you mean #damnsmalllinux ? :P
[03:17] <josh42> :P
[03:17] <josh42> Someone here mentioned it a little bit ago, which is why I ask
[03:17] <^thehatsrule^> universal, the quake3 engine requires the sound to work, if it doesnt, it wont continue
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> universal, make sure your sound works first ;p
[03:18] <yaaar> word
[03:18] <khagen> letter?
[03:18] <yaaar> so, what's a good gtk burning program? I'm mostly interested in burning audio cds and video dvd's, since the filemanager handles the data discs fine....
[03:19] <universal> ^thehatsrule^, it works well...but do u then know the problem when it says cant load default.cfg in quake3?
[03:19] <^thehatsrule^> oh!
[03:19] <^thehatsrule^> you need one universal
[03:19] <^thehatsrule^> should auto-make
[03:19] <^thehatsrule^> if it doesnt, then reinstall ET
[03:19] <universal> ^thehatsrule^, i need one of what?
[03:20] <^thehatsrule^> default.cfg
[03:20] <tim__> Nalioth, a) 10GB hard drive doesn't give much room for dual booting (yes, yes, I remember 5MB hard drives, at least vaguely) and b) already running Tiger :) It's pretty nice.
[03:20] <QMario> How do I use the XSANE Scanning program?
[03:20] <^thehatsrule^> usually found in ~/.game/default.cfg
[03:20] <tim__> Nalioth, however, I'm annoyed by missing all the good sw of a typical Linux distro :)
[03:20] <khagen> qmario: run it.
[03:20] <QMario> It says that it won't work.
[03:21] <QMario> Do you think I can scan a picture with an HP PSC 2410?
[03:21] <tim__> QMario, it's a bit confusing to configure, but I've found some good FAQs when I've needed it by googling for Xsane + the name of the scanner I was working with.
[03:21] <universal> ^thehatsrule^, what should i then do with the file?
[03:21] <khagen> QMario: that it hasn't found a device?
[03:21] <tim__> QMario, the Xsame site has a database.
[03:21] <QMario> Yes
[03:21] <tim__> (Of working scanners)
[03:22] <tim__> that's a good place to at least see if it's *supposedly* supported :)
[03:22] <QMario> Where is the database located?
[03:22] <khagen> QMario: That can be a ***&* you'll have to setup inetd to enable the saned, configure your backend.
[03:22] <tim__> Ubuntu might be smart about configuring it if it's a supported scanner, but for me under other distros, there's a config file or two to muck around with ...
[03:22] <Nalioth> tim__ there is always http://fink.sourceforge.net and http://darwinports.opendarwin.org
[03:22] <tim__> QMario, I'll give it a quick shot, hold on ...
[03:23] <Hussam> I did apt-get source package name, now how do I rebuild it?
[03:23] <juvi> is there a good vncserver that works with the VNC viewer by RealVNC (viewer is on a win32 mach)
[03:24] <Nalioth> hussam "sudo apt-get source -b <pkgname>"
[03:24] <tim__> Nalioth, Yes, but I'm serious about "perpetual newbie" ... I had fink installed, it worked for a while (when i was running 10.2), it broke and I didn't feel like the frustration of it :) Darwinports is great in theory, but I ran into dependency hell the other day when I decided to install a) DarwinPorts (which actually has a quite nice installer) in order to install The GIMP. I don't recall...
[03:24] <tim__> ...the error's phrasing, but the same thing -- computer errors to short-fuse non-programmers tend to be a turn-off :)
[03:25] <Hussam> Nalioth: I can't do it that was since I needed to modify the debian/control
[03:25] <QMario> Khagen, where is the inetd located on Ubuntu?
[03:25] <Nalioth> tim__fink has gotten much better
[03:25] <Nalioth> Hussam, sorry
[03:25] <khagen> Hussam: dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot
[03:25] <khagen> QMario: /etc/inetd.conf
[03:26] <Hussam> Nalioth: ok thanks
[03:27] <juvi> what's a good vnc server to use if I want to check my linux desktop from my windows laptop
[03:27] <khagen> QMario: I think you should append "saned           stream  tcp     nowait  root    /usr/sbin/saned" to the end of the file. and restart inetd.
[03:27] <tim__> QMario, http://www.sane-project.org/sane-backends.html <-- not a pretty page, but you can do a search within it for your model # ...
[03:28] <techii> juvi: all of them
[03:28] <techii> vino is included in gnome though
[03:29] <waterbeetle> does gnome support kolf?
[03:29] <tim__> Nalioth, maybe so :) However, I've gotten very used to a nice X-based desktop (that is, figurative "desktop" in the GUI sense, rather than loosely-used "desktop" in the "non-laptop personal computer hardware"  or a literal *desktop*), and for general philsophical aesthetics prefer an all-free-software computer :)
[03:30] <tim__> ("maybe so" re: fink having improved)
[03:30] <techii> waterbeetle: you are kindof comaring apples and oranges
[03:30] <Burgundavia> waterbeetle, it will run, but looks ugly
[03:30] <techii> kolf uses kde and qt
[03:30] <waterbeetle> techii, hehe
[03:30] <waterbeetle> yes, I know, but I like gnome, and kolf is cool
[03:30] <techii> yes, it will run, but with kde's theme
[03:31] <Nalioth> tim__, me too, which is why my new 12" ibook is stuffed in the closet doing server duty (no linux on it til APX works) and i'm running ubuntu (happily) on my old-but-you-can't-tell G3 ibook
[03:31] <sbcl3> how do i start up alsa?
[03:31] <waterbeetle> techii, hmm thanks
[03:31] <techii> there is a 'theme' for gtk that uses qt to draw everything
[03:31] <sbcl3> my sound won't play and I don't think alsa has started up
[03:31] <techii> gtk is what gnome uses
[03:32] <waterbeetle> ahh
[03:32] <tim__> Nalioth, heh, I'm considering placing a craigslist "wanted" ad for another (old) iBook; mine has been abused for 5 years and is useful enough that it was worthwhile to replace the battery recently.
[03:33] <waterbeetle> linux brings new life to abused comuters
[03:33] <benplaut> ^^ditto
[03:33] <techIII> heh
[03:33] <QMario> Are there any other good scanning programs for Ubuntu?
[03:34] <juvi> lol
[03:34] <techIII> QMario: what type of scan?
[03:34] <juvi> you should :)
[03:34] <super_dude2> help me iv downloaded mplayer but how do i use it its installed?
[03:35] <QMario> TechIII, I meant for scanning pictures and documents.
[03:35] <QMario> Sorry for not being specific.
[03:35] <Nalioth> the PPC is surprising (to windoze users) for its longevity
[03:35] <benplaut> Nalioth: yup... great in that respect...
[03:36] <QMario> I use an HP PSC.
[03:36] <techIII> QMario: for indexing and searching, i would recommend beagle, but not what you want apparently
[03:36] <super_dude2> how do you use mplayer
[03:37] <benplaut> QMario: so you need drivers for the scanner?
[03:37] <techIII> super_dude2: try using the 'run application' entery in the app menu, then type 'mplayer'
[03:37] <super_dude2> nothing happens
[03:37] <QMario> Yes, benplaut.
[03:37] <Mr_Smiley> gmplayer
[03:37] <QMario> Benplaut how did you just do that?
[03:38] <techIII> type '/me something'
[03:38] <benplaut> QMario: i haven't... i use my WinXP desktop for that stuff
[03:38] <Nalioth> super_dude2, in gnome its "gmplayer"
[03:38] <super_dude2> ok
[03:38] <super_dude2> when i run that it cant find it
[03:38] <techIII> for scaning pictures 'sane' would be the driver
[03:38] <techIII> then you need a frontend for it
[03:39] <QMario> What do you mean?
[03:39] <ryman> Xsane
[03:39] <techIII> ^that works
[03:39] <ryman> I have hp1315 but I haven't try it yet
[03:39] <tim__> QMario, data point: I have (among other systems) one computer running Fedora Core 3; it comes with Kooka, a scanning program which I find a touch, errr, forgive me, "klunky," *but* which has the admirable trait of autodetecting my scanner at startup with zero futzing with config files.
[03:39] <ryman> the great thing about ubuntu is it detected my printer
[03:40] <tim__> If you can install Kooka (I think it's a standard part of KDE, so perhaps I should say "If you can install KDE") then it might be easier than wrestling with Xsane.
[03:40] <dort> does apt-listbugs work  in ubuntu?
[03:40] <Burgundavia> tim__, file a bug about it
[03:40] <benplaut> kooka is a nice util...
[03:40] <techIII> dort: try it
[03:40] <Burgundavia> dort, apt-listbugs? what does it do?
[03:40] <super_dude2> so why cant i use gmplayer
[03:40] <tim__> Burgundavia, file a bug about what?
[03:40] <QMario> So, I can't use it with GNOME?
[03:40] <benplaut> why does KDE have to be so much slower :(
[03:41] <dort> all i have is a soon to be production server
[03:41] <ryman> salut Burgundavia
[03:41] <techIII> super_dude2: not installed
[03:41] <Burgundavia> tim__, your scanner not working
[03:41] <techIII> Im not shure what command launches it
[03:41] <Burgundavia> dort, apt-listbugs only hooks into debbugs, not bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:41] <techIII> (mplayer)
[03:41] <dort> when i get another test box (vm) set up w/ubuntu i would
[03:41] <super_dude2> it is cause if i use mplayer in termanal i cant see but i can hear
[03:41] <dort> thx burgundavia
[03:41] <dort> that might be enough to make it useful
[03:41] <tim__> Burgundavia, I have not tried my scanner with Ubuntu -- I was just telling Qmario about kooka being easier to scan with in my experience than Xsane, though I prefer the Xsane interface.
[03:41] <Burgundavia> dort, not really
[03:41] <dort> hmm
[03:42] <Burgundavia> tim__, ah, ok. I thought you were saying that your scanner wasn't detected
[03:42] <dort> has anyone thought of reimplementing (porting) listbugs so that it would be useful here?
[03:42] <dort> apt-listbugs
[03:42] <webmaster_> hola
[03:42] <webmaster_> hi
[03:42] <webmaster_> hello
[03:42] <tim__> QMario, kooka might work without the entirey of KDE installed, but since it's a KDE program, I am guessing it relies on at least some of the KDE libs etc.
[03:42] <benplaut> hello
[03:42] <webmaster_> hola
[03:42] <Burgundavia> QMario, what is wrong with xsane?
[03:42] <webmaster_> no entiendo nada de nada
[03:42] <QMario> It can't find my scanner.
[03:42] <tim__> Remember, you can have KDE apps running under Gnome andd vice versa, if you have enough of each's backend installed.
[03:43] <webmaster_> alguien espaol
[03:43] <Burgundavia> webmaster_, #ubuntu-es
[03:43] <webmaster_> ???
[03:43] <Burgundavia> QMario, file a bug
[03:43] <webmaster_> tanks
[03:43] <QMario> I use HP PSC 2410.
[03:43] <Burgundavia> webmaster_, this is english chat, #ubuntu-es is spanish
[03:43] <QMario> It is an all-in-one.
[03:43] <ryman> Burgundavia, Does Ubuntu support vietnamese ?
[03:43] <Burgundavia> QMario, does it work under any linux? have you googled?
[03:43] <Burgundavia> ryman, should
[03:43] <saber_> Hi
[03:43] <QMario> Hold on...
[03:43] <pablo928> webmaster_:aver si puedo ayudar te con algo, o minimo traducir?
[03:43] <ryman> hmm #ubuntu-viet ?
[03:44] <techIII> hablar espanol en #ubuntu-es (my spanish is bad)
[03:44] <ryman> pablo928, I think webmaster_ joined #ubuntu-es
[03:44] <CarlK> if I plug in a usb card reader with card, but I am not logged into X, but I am logged in via ssh, what is an easy way to get the card mounted?
[03:44] <techIII> yo no hablo espanol muy bien
[03:44] <Nalioth> webmaster_, nosotros no hablas espanol. por favor habla en #ubuntu-es
[03:44] <Burgundavia> QMario, http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2004-Dec/2394.html
[03:44] <CarlK> *** webmaster_ has left #ubuntu.
[03:44] <pablo928> ryman:i see he left
[03:45] <saber_> I am having trouble setting up the mason firewall. Both machines are on the private network (192.168.0.x). The problem is that machines on the private network can access all ports on the machine behind the firewall. How can I change this?
[03:45] <Nalioth> takes a long time to type in spanish
[03:45] <Nalioth> heh heh
[03:45] <tim__> QMario, I don't see the 2410 listed on the Xsane "supported" list that I pointed out, but I remember reading something about getting more of the HP all-in-one models supported under Linux generally ...
[03:45] <techIII> more of the time is to transalate it
[03:45] <tim__> So it could be that it's just not going to work with Xsane (barring further developments :)).
[03:46] <paxmaster> hello there i have only one problem, is that how could i play gsm wave file in linux
[03:46] <saber_> AH! Nevermind... there was a problem with the configuration policy
[03:47] <Burgundavia> QMario, http://www.jlab.org/~gen/Linux.html
[03:47] <benplaut> hmm... i guess i should ask a question, as long as i'm in here...   ;^P
[03:48] <Burgundavia> QMario, you should file a bug about it anyway
[03:48] <Burgundavia> QMario, it should be supported ootb
[03:49] <paxmaster> re: my question how could i play gsm file in linux
[03:52] <techIII> paxmaster: what exactly is a gsm file
[03:56] <benplaut> he found help on ##linux
[03:59] <sbcl3> my regular user, sbcl3, is totally messed up
[03:59] <sbcl3> when i try and log in to something like network manager or synaptic, I get the following error:
[03:59] <sbcl3> (and when i start up x when starting the computer)
[03:59] <sbcl3> "error in locking authority file /home/sbcl3/.Xauthority
[03:59] <sbcl3> "
[04:00] <sbcl3> can I fix this?
[04:00] <sbcl3> (right now i'm logged on as root and nothing has problems)
[04:00] <techIII> sbcl3: loging in as root is a generaly bad practace (just a warning if you didn't know)
[04:00] <sbcl3> i know
[04:00] <sbcl3> but my regular user is screwed up
[04:01] <LinuxJones> sbcl3, delete the .ICEAuthority file and login as your normal user
[04:01] <sbcl3> okay...
[04:01] <sbcl3> is that all?
[04:01] <LinuxJones> yeah
[04:01] <brokenladder> every time i run xorgconfig my system freezes on boot.
[04:01] <brokenladder> i have set everything to exactly what it should be.
[04:01] <sbcl3> linuxjones: lets hope so
[04:02] <joe|code> ubuntu woohoo!
[04:02] <brokenladder> i have set my video ram to 64MB in bios, and i choose that, and different lower amounts, in xorgconfig and still it doesn't work.
[04:02] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, what video driver do you have set ?
[04:02] <cowbud> what is the suggested FS for creating a raid5 setup? NO I am not trying to start a flamewar..
[04:02] <brokenladder> can someone please help me with tihs.
[04:02] <brokenladder> i810
[04:02] <brokenladder> intel extreme graphics 2
[04:02] <brokenladder> i did this thing someone told me like  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:02] <brokenladder> that didn't help either.
[04:02] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, set the video driver to vesa and try again.
[04:02] <brokenladder> which should i run?
[04:03] <brokenladder> that would probably work, but of course i don't want vesa
[04:03] <sbcl3> i'm logged on as sbcl3
[04:03] <sbcl3> linuxjones: it still doesn't work
[04:03] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, it's slow but it works with most video cards
[04:03] <sbcl3> .ICEauthority keeps coming back
[04:03] <brokenladder> i'd like to fix the problem so that this will work with my video card without vesa
[04:03] <brokenladder> a fix, not a hack
[04:04] <brokenladder> oh duh..google rocks
[04:04] <CarlK> brokenladder - what did you find?
[04:04] <LinuxJones> sbcl3, are you sure that you deleted it from your users home directory ?
[04:04] <CarlK> I have an i810 I was planing on using
[04:05] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, you need 3d support ?
[04:05] <juvi> how do I set what port the Gnome BitTorrent client uploads on?
[04:05] <juvi> or what ports it uses in general
[04:05] <sbcl3> linuxjones: the file .ICEauthority keeps coming back
[04:05] <sbcl3> so there's still errors in locking .Xauthority file
[04:06] <Nalioth> sbcl3, .ICEauthority is part of your OS, welcome its presence, for without it, ubuntu don't run too good
[04:06] <brokenladder> i don't care much about 3d support
[04:06] <brokenladder> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27029.html
[04:07] <CarlK> juvi - man bittorrent-downloader - default 6881
[04:07] <sbcl3> i guess LinuxJones was wrong, then
[04:07] <sbcl3> Nalioth: do you know how to stop .Xauthority issues?
[04:07] <LinuxJones> sbcl3, it's created every time you log into kde. You have to change to your /home/useraccountdirectory and type sudo rm .ICE{tab} that should auto-complete and remove the file to let you login as normal.....don't do it as root :)
[04:07] <pablo928> brokenladder:but ubuntu comes packaged with some good 3d screensavers
[04:07] <brokenladder> cool
[04:08] <brokenladder> being in low res is the worst thing i can possibly think of
[04:08] <brokenladder> it makes a computer almost unusable
[04:08] <pablo928> brokenladder:that's what i like the 3d for. ( not really a gamer)
[04:08] <techIII> ot: does anyone have any experience with asterisk?
[04:08] <CarlK> brokenladder - thanks for the link
[04:08] <sbcl3> linuxjones: "rm: cannot remove `.ICE{tab}': No such file or directory
[04:08] <sbcl3> "
[04:08] <CarlK> techIII - no, but you should check out #yate
[04:09] <CarlK> http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=YATE
[04:09] <LinuxJones> sbcl3, no the {tab} means hit the tab key on the left below the #1 key
[04:09] <sbcl3> linuxjones: hitting tab just produces this noise and doesn't move the cursor
[04:10] <Nalioth> sbcl3, i don't even know what .ICEauthority is, i just know that when my box don't start (and cites .ICEauthority as the culprit) i switch to a text terminal, rm it, and return to my xserver window
[04:11] <techIII> .ICEauthority looks like a lock file then
[04:11] <Nalioth> LinuxJones, i don't think the KDE part is quite right
[04:11] <sbcl3> LinuxJones: i'm using Gnome
[04:11] <Nalioth> LinuxJones, i had ICEauthoritiy issues b4 i put KDE on my box
[04:11] <LinuxJones> sbcl3, linux yas something called auto-complete if you start to type a command or a path to a file you can jsut hit the tab key (usually twice) and it will fill in the blanks or you or give you a list of the commands...etc that start witht he same name.
[04:11] <brokenladder> bash has something called autocomplete.
[04:11] <sbcl3> this is hopeless....can I delete this normal user and then make another one?
[04:11] <techIII> LinuxJones: depends on the setup
[04:12] <LinuxJones> Nalioth, you ran the kde cd writer program tho ?
[04:12] <techIII> don't think ubuntu's bash package has that enabled
[04:12] <caos_> they are egg
[04:12] <brokenladder> what's that z-axis thing i have to do in xorg.conf to make my scroll wheel work?
[04:12] <Nalioth> LinuxJones, which one? i had no KDE stuff at all until i installed kubuntu-desktop
[04:13] <LinuxJones> techIII, the only time I have seen that error is when someone has run k3b
[04:13] <Nalioth> LinuxJones, if you go to the wiki, its a common problem
[04:13] <Nalioth> on x86 and ppc, i've seen it in person
[04:13] <brokenladder> Option	"ZAxisMapping"	"Y" ??
[04:13] <LinuxJones> techIII, maybe something else messes things up but that's the only time that I have heard of things getting messed up like that
[04:14] <techIII> brokenladder: thta enables the scroll wheel on some mice
[04:14] <LinuxJones> Nalioth, maybe I don't run very many apps other than the regulars :)
[04:14] <George__> Hey, anyone having this problem. Computer locks up when trying to play Wolf et, or Americas Army. I install nvidia drivers.
[04:15] <Nalioth> LinuxJones, i've seen the .ICEauthority thang on just-installed ubuntu systems, and i'm still having it occasionally now
[04:15] <brokenladder> you play games in linux? wow..didn't know that was possible.
[04:16] <techIII> LinuxJones: gentoo requires a seperate package for autocompleation
[04:16] <Predius> Guys, have the MOTU realized that with out FF version we can't download extensions now?
[04:16] <Lafitte-> can anyone help me......ubuntu is great   but i cant play movies or mp3 in it....get errors   no plugins for these things
[04:17] <LinuxJones> techIII, wtf that's not correct :D
[04:18] <pablo928>  Lafitte-:check out www.ubuntuguide.org there are lots of tips for fixing your problem
[04:18] <Xenguy> Lafitte-: these are FAQs AFAIK - see ubuntulinux.org
[04:18] <Lafitte-> pablo928,  ty  i will
[04:19] <techIII> hmm, seems like you need about 5 characters before it works
[04:19] <techIII> (bash autocompleation)
[04:20] <pablo928> is the fellow who maintains ubuntuguide ever on this channel? I'd like to thank him.
[04:21] <krazykook> i can't understand why the media for the blue laser burners is so expensive
[04:21] <George__> Does Nvidia drivers have any problems lately?
[04:21] <LinuxJones> techIII, type linux and hit tab (twice) in xchat you will see everybody's name that starts with linux. then you can refine your choice by typing a few more characters that match :)
[04:22] <George__> LinuxJones,
[04:22] <LinuxJones> yay
[04:22] <LinuxJones> :)
[04:22] <Nalioth> Lafitte-, google the ubuntulinux.org site for "restriced formats"
[04:22] <George__> lol
[04:22] <Nalioth> krazykook, cuz there isnt any of it
[04:22] <George__> I been having gay prob. nvidia driver causing games to crash?
[04:23] <LinuxJones> George__, you don't have a GForce 5200 by chance ?
[04:23] <George__> no way
[04:23] <George__> i got a ti4200-8x
[04:23] <Burgundavia> George__, please watch your language
[04:23] <krazykook> look at these crazy prices...who is going to pay this
[04:23] <krazykook> http://www.bluelaserstorage.com/media.htm
[04:23] <George__> sorry
[04:23] <George__> me krazykook
[04:24] <George__> wait, no i dont think i'm that crazy
[04:24] <George__> wait few years. The price on http://www.bluelaserstorage.com/media.htm go down a lot
[04:24] <krazykook> $60 for just one preformatted dvd....that is ridiculous
[04:24] <George__> it's 23.3GB man
[04:24] <George__> it's "NEW"
[04:24] <pablo928> krazykook, what's so special about blue ;laser media?
[04:24] <krazykook> what if your burner has a glitch...lots of money down the drain
[04:24] <George__> 23.3 GB
[04:25] <George__> lol krazykook, that's y u dont buy it
[04:25] <krazykook> i mean really 10cents for a cdrom disc or $60 for a blue laser...this is outrageous
[04:25] <George__> u forgot DVDs when they first came out. hey 2 were a lot
[04:28] <nmorse> Anyone know why the version of gaim is so far behind?
[04:28] <George__> because there isn't any security problems?
[04:28] <George__> maybe they don't need to upgrade the latest gaim?
[04:28] <jono> hi all
[04:29] <George__> hi. I been having a real problem with this NVIDIA card. Installed latest driver, and when trying to play americas army. It locks up right when i'm connected to a server
[04:29] <nmorse> Because there are a lot of security issues that have been fixed in the latest?
[04:29] <jono> is anyone working on something to present information about downloadable programs in something like synaptic - details such as screenshots and maybe ratings
[04:29] <krazykook> and anyway dvds are still high....i just had to pay $6.00 for only 25 dvd+rs
[04:29] <George__> what?
[04:29] <George__> we (bestekpc.ca)
[04:29] <nmorse> So anyone know why gaim hasn't been updated?
[04:29] <George__> sell 50 for like 10 bux
[04:29] <krazykook> it is still outrageous
[04:29] <krazykook> George__: well that sounds better
[04:29] <George__> krazykook u outta ur mind :D
[04:30] <George__> ah 50 pack of DVD is 30Bux
[04:30] <George__> DVD-R 8x - 50 Pack  	
[04:30] <George__> $29.00
[04:30] <krazykook> and even the double layered dvd's are still very high
[04:30] <jamesio> hello all
[04:30] <George__> double yeah it is. like 8Bux for 1
[04:30] <krazykook> George__: no that is a ripoff...you can get 25 for $6.00 at Office Max
[04:30] <krazykook> but it is still very high
[04:31] <George__> ours is high quilty
[04:31] <krazykook> compared to a 10cent cd
[04:31] <nmorse> You pay 10 cents for a cd?
[04:31] <jamesio> what are you guys talking about?
[04:31] <nmorse> I never pay more than 5
[04:31] <George__> dunno, krazykook just was talking about this blue thingy that holds 23.3 gb
[04:31] <George__>  http://www.bluelaserstorage.com/media.htm
[04:32] <Lafitte-> pablo928,  ty    that page helped me with many things
[04:32] <krazykook> George__: yes we were discussing the ourageous prices of the blue laser media
[04:32] <anusaya> when I install packages are the downloaded .deb archives kept anywhere?
[04:32] <pablo928>  Lafitte-it's a good guide
[04:32] <krazykook> their prices are like the ink prices at $8000/gallon
[04:32] <LinuxJones> jono, not that i know of
[04:32] <George__> it isn't
[04:32] <Nalioth> anusaya, /var/apt/cache
[04:32] <pablo928>  Lafitte-helped me a lot
[04:32] <George__> It's just they are new stuff, and they cost a lot.
[04:32] <jono> LinuxJones, thanks
[04:32] <anusaya> Nalioth, ty
[04:33] <George__> DVDs were about that price *maybe* when they were first introduced
[04:33] <LinuxJones> jono, Linspire or Xandros probably do that in their apps but nothing open sourced
[04:33] <George__> I hate Linspire, and Xandros
[04:33] <jono> I was thinking of maybe writing the web client
[04:33] <jamesio> nalioth, I finally got ubuntu installed on my main machine
[04:33] <George__> i also hate mandriva *i like mandrake*, yoper 2
[04:33] <George__> ubuntu takes me 4 hours
[04:33] <jamesio> nalioth, this is kind of nice... now I have to figure out the smp kernel and dual monitor
[04:33] <LinuxJones> jono, problem being updating after major releases
[04:34] <Nalioth> jamesh, great!
[04:34] <Nalioth> shit
[04:34] <LinuxJones> jono, even minor releeaes have major chages and co-ordinating getting the latest would be a major pain :(
[04:34] <Nalioth> jamesio, great!
[04:34] <George__> anyne having major problems with NVidia Driver and Games?
[04:35] <George__> Quake 4 SOON GUYS $$$$
[04:35] <juvi> Yep!~
[04:35] <George__> just now! wated many years for this
[04:35] <jono> LinuxJones, yeah
[04:35] <George__> ut 2007 out soon 2
[04:35] <juvi> George__, when for ut2k7?
[04:36] <George__> dunno like 2008?
[04:36] <juvi> lol
[04:36] <LinuxJones> jono, unless you could get the release devs to upload the latest for you :)
[04:36] <REds> would anyone know why firefox and openoffice keep closing randomly, in gnome on hoary, with latest updates
[04:36] <George__> it is 2007, jono what ur graphics card?
[04:36] <George__> what's everones graphic carD?
[04:36] <LinuxJones> jono, sort of a new standard for all distros
[04:36] <George__> ANyone OWN a FX CPU?
[04:37] <abarbaccia> hey all - how do i install java (JRE) to firefox?
[04:37] <juvi> what about Quake4? where are the latest screenies?
[04:37] <George__> So easY!
[04:37] <George__> google - ubuntu unofficial guide
[04:37] <jono> George__, no idea
[04:37] <George__> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[04:37] <pablo928>  abarbaccia: check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:37] <George__> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[04:37] <brokenladder> apparently my graphics chipset is a pain in linux.
[04:38] <George__> lol, i'm using a 50bux mobo. Not up-to-date
[04:38] <George__> but it's nice machine
[04:38] <brokenladder> how can i just try vesa?
[04:38] <natex> REds, check the output on ~/.xsessions-errors
[04:38] <brokenladder> so i can have a usable resolution while i'm working this out?
[04:38] <George__> NVIDIA driver pain in the arse
[04:38] <George__> dunno y now
[04:38] <brokenladder> is vesa the same as "framebuffer"?
[04:38] <brokenladder> sorry if that sounds like a way stupid question..
[04:38] <kanuha> brokenladder: what card do you have?
[04:38] <George__> no question stupid.
[04:38] <brokenladder> i810
[04:38] <REds> natex, ok thanks
[04:38] <brokenladder> intel extreme graphics II
[04:39] <George__> LOL, onboard!
[04:39] <brokenladder> yeah.
[04:39] <brokenladder> for now.
[04:39] <George__> it's good for *non* gaming
[04:39] <brokenladder> i'm just using my box for a sound recording studio, so I'm putting off getting a good card.
[04:39] <George__> for now. Is good. Wait for 512mb card to go down, and Longhorn to be released
[04:39] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... then change the part that says nvidia with vesa and hit ctrl + o
[04:39] <brokenladder> i won't buy a graphics card until i can get an agp one that also is an hdtv tuner and has dvi out.
[04:39] <abarbaccia> thanks all
[04:39] <brokenladder> nvidia?
[04:39] <brokenladder> i don't have anything nvidia
[04:39] <George__> PCI-EXPRESS V2
[04:39] <brokenladder> intel extreme graphics
[04:40] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, sorry got you messed up with someone else
[04:40] <George__> LinuxJones ur Video card?
[04:40] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, let me show you ...1 sec
[04:40] <REds> natex, thanks there isnt anything in there besides attachment for evolution and dvd stuff
[04:40] <George__> mine, is very old
[04:41] <George__> u guys are all rich
[04:43] <George__> lucky
[04:43] <Nalioth> George__, rich? who?
[04:43] <George__> ah, NVidia has bug in new driver. that explains it
[04:43] <George__> Nalioth what's ur video card?
[04:43] <darkaudit> find a TV card that has a DirecTV tuner, then we'll talk :)
[04:43] <natex> REds, ok. try running firefox (or openoffice) from command line. you may see some error output when they crash
[04:44] <George__> father owns computer store
[04:44] <REds> natex, ok cheers thanks
[04:44] <George__> xbox 360. Microsoft full of sh00t
[04:46] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, >> http://pastebin.ca/11714
[04:46] <krazykook> look how much just one dual layer 8.5 gig dvd costs...it is ridiculous
[04:46] <krazykook> http://www.allmediaoutlet.com/allmedia/prodDetail.do?groupNbr=1583&campaign=pricewatch
[04:47] <krazykook> you can get 25 4.7gigs for $6.00 that is about 100gigs storage space for $6.00
[04:47] <George__> we get it...
[04:47] <krazykook> but one dual layer 8.5 gig costs $6.00 by itself
[04:47] <George__> it's life?
[04:48] <krazykook> wow those people really know how to sell the printer cheap but the ink expensive
[04:51] <kakalto> how do I type the (C) sign into a text editor?
[04:51] <kakalto> like, as the proper sign, not (C)?
[04:52] <drcode> hi all
[04:52] <drcode> any one know good software for backup client server in linux?
[04:52] <drcode> I found software like arakiea but it dosnt support my tape
[04:52] <gbic> dlt?
[04:53] <LinuxJones> drcode, amanda ?
[04:53] <drcode> amanda is backup soft?
[04:53] <LinuxJones> drcode, yeah
[04:53] <drcode> is it client server>
[04:53] <LinuxJones> drcode, have you tried bru ?
[04:54] <g14> drcode, Bacula works very well for me
[04:54] <drcode> no
[04:54] <drcode> what is bru
[04:54] <drcode> ues
[04:54] <drcode> yes
[04:54] <drcode> but  I Like some nice gui that I Can chose files and so
[04:54] <drcode> easy
[04:54] <krazykook> it reminds me of a few years ago when GNU used to give the whole GNU OS and apps away for free but charge $150/hr to service it
[04:54] <drcode> bru is also client server?
[04:54] <krazykook> they know how to sell the printer cheap but the ink expensive
[04:55] <LinuxJones> drcode, it's been around forever, it's backup software for Unix/Linux
[04:55] <drcode> bru
[04:55] <drcode> it have gui like in arakiea?
[04:55] <nmorse> so has anyone noticed that the gaim src package from 'apt-get source gaim' doesn't compile?
[04:56] <g14> drcode, http://lrs.linbox.org/wiki/WikiStartEn
[04:56] <Nalioth> nmorse, did you use "apt-get source -b gaim" ?
[04:56] <krazykook> nmorse: i had a lot of problem rebuilding gnome from scratch on this hoary
[04:56] <nmorse> No, I need the source files, not it built from source
[04:56] <krazykook> nmorse: i tried starting with libdb4.3 but then some things would not compile so i had to back down to 4.2
[04:57] <drcode> gl4 what is it?
[04:57] <krazykook> and it was the same kind of problem for several different apps
[04:57] <krazykook> you have to be very careful these days what versions you try to compile with what versions of other things you have
[04:57] <nmorse> I'm just trying to convince dpkg -b gaim-1.1.4 to actually build
[04:57] <g14> drcode, LRS is for system imaging / cloning / backup with a pretty gui
[04:57] <krazykook> don't try to compile libgdamm1.3.7 with libgda1.1
[04:58] <zenlunatic> Does ubuntu come with an RSS reader?
[04:58] <nmorse> Kubuntu does
[04:58] <drcode> nice
[04:58] <drcode> thanx
[04:58] <nmorse> It's called Akregator
[04:58] <g14> np
[04:58] <Nalioth> nmorse, why are you using dpkg to build?
[04:58] <krazykook> and the same thing with linuxthreads2 and glibc....the versions have to be very close
[04:58] <Nalioth> nmorse, use apt-get to build, dpkg to install
[04:58] <nmorse> I'm attempting to upgrade the package manually
[04:58] <krazykook> things have gotten very picky these days
[04:58] <nmorse> I use dpkg to build stuff like MPlayer all the time
[04:59] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, for gnome, i use yarssr (yet another rss blah)
[04:59] <krazykook> it has all gotten very picky
[04:59] <nmorse> So why can't the Ubuntu devs keep it working that way?
[04:59] <krazykook> the versions of things really matter
[04:59] <krazykook> for some strange reason
[04:59] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[05:00] <Burgundavia> zenlunatic, try blam
[05:00] <LinuxJones> hybrid_goth, hiya
[05:00] <Burgundavia> zenlunatic, is gtk
[05:00] <nmorse> So no one knows why dpkg can't compile something that's downloaded through apt?
[05:00] <hybrid_goth> LinuxJones: hows it goin
[05:00] <Burgundavia> nmorse, it is already compiled
[05:00] <Burgundavia> nmorse, what are you trying to do?
[05:00] <LinuxJones> hybrid_goth, I am bombed :D
[05:00] <krazykook> nmorse: well we would have to look at what is going on in your compilation.
[05:00] <krazykook> nmorse: and that costs $180/hr
[05:01] <hybrid_goth> LinuxJones: why? heh
[05:01] <nmorse> $180 an hour? Do you live in a big city?
[05:01] <krazykook> nmorse: yes
[05:01] <LinuxJones> hybrid_goth, lack of willpower :)
[05:01] <nmorse> And no, it's not already compiled
[05:01] <Nalioth> krazykook, don't forget the minimum time limit of 3 hours
[05:01] <nmorse> It's from apt-get source $package
[05:01] <Burgundavia> nmorse, what did you download and how?
[05:01] <nmorse> gaim, fool
[05:01] <nmorse> sorry, just getting ticked
[05:01] <Burgundavia> nmorse, that was not polite, I am tryng to help you
[05:01] <dort> fool?
[05:01] <Burgundavia> nmorse, wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[05:01] <krazykook> Nalioth: yes and a retainer fee in advance for 20 years in case it  takes a while to figure it out
[05:02] <hybrid_goth> LinuxJones: heh
[05:02] <kakalto> could someone please type me the (C) symbol?
[05:02] <nmorse> Sorry, Burgundavia
[05:02] <nmorse> Just been frustrated all day by stuff I've been trying to do that doesn't work
[05:02] <Burgundavia> nmorse, why are trying to compile gaim?
[05:02] <g14> kakalto, Applications -> Accessories -> Charachter map
[05:02] <nmorse> To upgrade manually to a new version
[05:02] <kakalto> g14, thanks :D
[05:02] <krazykook> nmorse: i told you that is why it is called the ugly word hoary instead of breezy....there are major screwups
[05:03] <nmorse> Anyway, my build command was wrong
[05:03] <nmorse> Checked it against what apt uses for it
[05:03] <g14> And what are those 4 major screwups?
[05:03] <nmorse> Not what I normally use for compiling stuff into debian packages
[05:03] <Burgundavia> nmorse, the versions out of the ubuntu repos are the same you are going to get from source
[05:03] <krazykook> they need to get the libs all synchronized and updated and make sure the headers are correct to compile every program
[05:04] <krazykook> that is essentially what gentoo does
[05:04] <krazykook> and slackware
[05:04] <nmorse> Slackware's really simple, but it just doesn't feel right
[05:04] <nmorse> The tools are really crude for installing packages
[05:05] <krazykook> nmorse: well it has been around for a long time and isn't going away....i can remember using tkdesktop before gnome or kde was ever invented
[05:05] <nmorse> Wow, that's a long time ago, krazykook
[05:06] <nmorse> I remember when GNOME was alpha software, though
[05:06] <nmorse> Have a copy on my Debian 2.1 install disc
[05:07] <nmorse> Looks exactly like IceWM95
[05:07] <nmorse> But with a foot for a menu
[05:07] <nmorse> and plaid sticky notes
[05:07] <nmorse> I have no idea why the sticky notes aren't plaid anymore
[05:12] <danko123456> nmorse: nabm yuore making everyone leave..
[05:12] <nmorse> Reminiscing about GNOME's bad days has that effect for some reason in a room on GNOME users
[05:12] <rixth> When I run Firefox I get "Illegal Intsruction" wtf?
[05:12] <Predius> rixth, the FBI should be knocking on your door any minute now.
[05:13] <danko123456> well, dont give it illegal instructions, dude, thats ilegal...
[05:13] <i3dmaster> how to find out my cdrom's bus,id,lun info?
[05:13] <rixth> Sorry for the typo!
[05:14] <rixth> Seriously now! I'm using Hoary
[05:14] <Predius> Extensions?
[05:14] <rixth> Only Web Developer
[05:14] <Thirsteh> If I don't know the horizontal and vertical refresh rates of my monitor, is there no way for me to make myself able to use 85hz as refresh rate in resolutions?
[05:14] <s_yuan31tee> hi, anyone how can we see the escape character through vi or gedit?
[05:14] <nmorse> Is it, oh say, an IDE CD Burner, i3dmaster?
[05:14] <Lafitte-> ok   my nub question    how do you kill a hung app ?
[05:15] <s_yuan31tee> i have several from windows with 0D 0A as newline
[05:15] <tim__> i3dmaster, I used to get info with cdrecord -scanbus ... if cdrecord is installed, try that :)
[05:15] <s_yuan31tee> linux use 0A only as new line
[05:15] <s_yuan31tee> i want to see the difference in vi or gedit
[05:15] <nmorse> It's a 2.6 kernel, man
[05:15] <s_yuan31tee> as least see ^M for the windows file
[05:15] <Cybermagellan> Anyone know why flash sites can't play sound in Firefox?
[05:15] <nmorse> IDE-scsi doesn't work, so scanbus doesn't work for it
[05:16] <Thirsteh> Lafitte-, if it's a user process, open a terminal and type 'ps ux', find the PID (Process ID) and type kill <pid> e.g. 'kill 32823' - if it's another user that's running it, you'll need to find it in ps ax. You can pipe it through grep to find it easier, e.g. 'ps ax | grep <name of app>'. You can also try 'killall <app name>' which will kill all apps matching that string.
[05:16] <pablo928> Cybermagellan, i have audio in flash sites
[05:16] <Lafitte-> Thirsteh, kewl  ill give it a try
[05:16] <rixth> When I run Firefox I get "Illegal instruction" any ideas
[05:16] <Cybermagellan> hmm, maybe because I don't have MP3 ability
[05:16] <i3dmaster> tim__: k, let me try it
[05:17] <nmorse> Is it SCSI or is it IDE, i3dmaster? If you don't know, and it's internal, it's probably IDE
[05:17] <pablo928> Cybermagellan probably
[05:17] <nmorse> If it's USB or Firewire, I have no idea, but I think they're treated as SCSI modules in 2.6
[05:17] <krazykook> nmorse: but anyway that is the main reason gentoo is very selective and won't accept too many packages if the code doesn't compile properly
[05:18] <nmorse> Yeah, I know
[05:18] <bitsmash> hi
[05:18] <nmorse> Used Gentoo for a desktop for a long time
[05:18] <pablo928> Cybermagellan, most of the flash sites use mp3 embedded for audio
[05:18] <benplaut> (no flamewars...) which is better for oldish machines: Hoary with XFce, or BeatrIX?
[05:18] <Lafitte-> Thirsteh,  thanks  it wasnt in list    but killall xmms worked :)
[05:18] <bitsmash> does unzip do multiple zips?
[05:18] <krazykook> nmorse: yes if i had a larger hard drive i would go put gentoo back....hoary has so many problems at this time
[05:19] <Thirsteh> Lafitte-, :), killall is usually the easiest, unless it's run by another process that's launched many times, like kdeinit for KDE users. You can't killall kdeinit, unless you have suicidal thoughts.
[05:19] <tim__> i3dmaster, that's the total depth of my advice on the matter though; I'm in front of an iBook right now, and even if I weren't, you've just plumbed the depths of my knowledge on that question ;)
[05:19] <bitsmash> what is Breezy
[05:19] <Thirsteh> bitsmash, the upcoming version
[05:19] <krazykook> bitsmash: well i think that will be when they clean up all their mistakes
[05:19] <Thirsteh> Like Hoary is the current
[05:19] <g14> Breezy is for world domination
[05:19] <bitsmash> Thirsteh: does unzip do multiple zips?
[05:20] <tim__> Breezy is planned for ~5 months from now?
[05:20] <g14> bitsmash, as they in the same directory?
[05:20] <Thirsteh> bitsmash, never experimented with ZIP much, try '<zip command> --help' to see a list of capabilities. (In terminal of course)
[05:20] <g14> *are
[05:20] <bitsmash> Thirsteh: tried
[05:20] <benplaut> breezy will be released in 10/xx/05
[05:20] <g14> bitsmash, The bash shell will expand filenames. Try unzip with whatever options and then *.zip for the filename
[05:20] <bitsmash> i think theres one called 7zip
[05:21] <nmorse> i3dmaster: if you know what drive your CD burner is, like /dev/hdb, try just doing 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdb speed=32 -tao nameoftrack.iso
[05:21] <rixth> http://www.spectrumenterprises.org/strace
[05:21] <rixth> Firefox Crash log
[05:21] <i3dmaster> nmorse: The thing is I am using cdrdao.
[05:22] <Lafitte-> Thirsteh,  hehe     i can see why    grin
[05:22] <i3dmaster> tim__: cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[05:23] <tim__> i3dmaster, then I can be of no help, sorry :(
[05:23] <i3dmaster> tim__: np, thanks
[05:23] <Thirsteh> Lafitte-,  :)
[05:24] <drcode> any one know software emule for console
[05:24] <Thirsteh> Does anyone know if it's possible to just find the modelines/rates to run in e.g. 1280x1024 85hz?
[05:24] <nmorse> then the same command but with -dao not -tao
[05:24] <drcode> I had long time somthing but I Dont remmber
[05:26] <Nalioth> drcode, i believe there is emule for the console, use synaptic to search for it
[05:26] <brokenladder> arghhh
[05:26] <brokenladder> if i could even get vesa working now that would be great.
[05:27] <drcode> thanx
[05:27] <drcode>  I Will
[05:28] <rixth> --- SIGILL (Illegal instruction) @ 0 (0) ---
[05:28] <rixth> unlink("/home/rixth/.mozilla/firefox/w19dqeqn.default/lock") = 0
[05:28] <rixth> When I try and start Firefox
[05:28] <nmorse> i3dmaster, maybe you should 'sudo apt-get install cdrecord'
[05:28] <nmorse> I can't believe cdrdao didn't force it to install when it was installed
[05:28] <MuStR> I have a q
[05:28] <Lafitte-> what is a good cd record program ???   i have gnomebaker now
[05:28] <i3dmaster> nmorse: I've had it
[05:28] <zenlunatic> How can you get mp3 playback in Hoary?
[05:29] <MuStR> if I make a new swap space partition, will ubuntu automatically use it?
[05:29] <nmorse> Please try that, i3dmaster
[05:29] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, google ubuntulinux.org for "restricted formats"
[05:29] <zenlunatic> Nalioth, What about mpg321?
[05:29] <Lafitte-> zenlunatic,  i added the codecs just now from this website http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[05:29] <rixth> !flw 34
[05:29] <MuStR> anyone know about swap space~?
[05:30] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, i believe you must have the codecs/software first
[05:30] <MuStR> it's libgstreamer something
[05:30] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, ubuntu doesnt come ootb with any soft that is not GNU
[05:30] <Lafitte-> zenlunatic,  the website first tells you how to open up your apt-get to more files
[05:30] <MuStR> I guess no one knows anything about swap space, eh?
[05:31] <Lafitte-> zenlunatic,  then you can apt-get everything  with cut and paste
[05:31] <g14> MuStR, Make a swap partition as big as the amount of ram in your computer
[05:31] <Lafitte-> MuStR,  what need to know about it ?
[05:31] <Lafitte-> yeah what g14 said
[05:31] <MuStR> why?
[05:31] <MuStR> why not larger
[05:31] <brokenladder> does anyone know anything about getting the intel extreme graphics to work in linux?
[05:31] <g14> MuStR, because it will just slow down the computer
[05:31] <MuStR> and my question was, once I make the partition, will ubuntu automatically utilize it?
[05:32] <Predius> MuStR, RAM is faster than swap.
[05:32] <dcraven> MuStR: You can make it bigger, but it probably won't be used.
[05:32] <Lafitte-> brokenladder,  use ubntu  it will work
[05:32] <Predius> Swapping = bad.
[05:32] <MuStR> why is that? isn't swap just what is used when ram overflows?
[05:32] <g14> MuStR, swapping is bad. It is only used when the ram is full
[05:32] <MuStR> yes, that's what I said
[05:32] <g14> MuStR, and it is very slow because the harddrive is slow compared to ram
[05:33] <Lafitte-> brokenladder,  mine works fine all auto detected from ubuntu install
[05:33] <MuStR> I understand that the read time is slower, but my computer will still utilize my ram first, right?
[05:33] <MuStR> yes I know.
[05:33] <g14> yes
[05:33] <MuStR> okay.
[05:33] <s_yuan31tee> anyone realize the gnome-terminal is quite slow?
[05:33] <MuStR> then there really is no reason to delimit the size of the swap partition
[05:33] <s_yuan31tee> escpecially when u vi
[05:33] <MuStR> is this correct?
[05:33] <nate__> how can i load alsa?
[05:33] <Lafitte-> mine is fast
[05:33] <dcraven> s_yuan31tee: compared to what?
[05:33] <s_yuan31tee> xterm much faster than gnome-terminal?
[05:33] <MuStR> should be
[05:34] <g14> MuStR, with older machines, you made the swap partition twice as big as the amount of ram. With newer machines you make it equal. That is standard practice
[05:34] <dcraven> s_yuan31tee: Yes.
[05:34] <brokenladder> Lafitte- you have the i810 chipset?
[05:34] <Lafitte-> brokenladder,  aye
[05:34] <s_yuan31tee> dcraven: seems  like a serious bug. when i do vi, just damm slow while doing scrolling
[05:34] <brokenladder> can you email me your xorg.conf?
[05:34] <Lafitte-> brokenladder,  im using ubuntu right now
[05:34] <brokenladder> i am too
[05:34] <MuStR> gl4: okay, thanks for your help.
[05:34] <brokenladder> but in a really low resolution
[05:34] <Lafitte-> brokenladder,  what is your problem
[05:34] <MuStR> but....I still haven't had my question answered
[05:34] <brokenladder> i can't increase the resolution.
[05:35] <brokenladder> it's totally f'ed up
[05:35] <Lafitte-> ive ran it in my own build of debian before
[05:35] <Lafitte-> what size the screen ?
[05:35] <MuStR> once I make the partition, regardless of its size, will it automatically be used by ubuntu?
[05:35] <s_yuan31tee> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122656 - seems like a unresolved bug with high priority
[05:35] <g14> MuStR, no
[05:35] <brokenladder> 640x480.. :(
[05:35] <brokenladder> i need 1280x1024
[05:35] <MuStR> gl4: what must I do to use it?
[05:35] <g14> MuStR, I can help you set it up though, its really easy to edit the fstab
[05:35] <s_yuan31tee> better switch to xterm at currect moment?
[05:35] <g14> MuStR, What kind of partiton is it?
[05:35] <MuStR> I haven't made it yet.
[05:35] <MuStR> I'm about to
[05:35] <Lafitte-> brokenladder,  you need to select that during setup     you can go back in  and select the resolution in the module portion of setup
[05:36] <dcraven> s_yuan31tee: Whatever makes you more comfortable. There are many terminal programs.
[05:36] <bdmp>  Any ideas on how to fix an non-functioning usb auto-mount?
[05:36] <brokenladder> Lafitte-, i did all that.
[05:36] <sniper2> ubuntu is bad linux
[05:36] <brokenladder> Lafitte-, i have run xorgconfig as well
[05:36] <MuStR> sniper2: why do you say that?
[05:36] <g14> MuStR, create the partition, create a mount point (empty directory), and then add it to your /etc/fstab
[05:37] <g14> sniper2, your trolling. stop
[05:37] <s_yuan31tee> dcraven: i just noe gnome-terminal and xterm
[05:37] <Nalioth> sniper2, ubuntu! get in the corner!
[05:37] <s_yuan31tee> dcraven: any other which is commonly used?
[05:37] <brokenladder> lol..ubuntu is bad linux.  that's articulate.
[05:37] <dcraven> s_yuan31tee: eterm, aterm, rxvt, konsole, etc etc...
[05:37] <nate__> ubuntu bad
[05:37] <MuStR> okay, let me go try to do this. thank you, gl4
[05:37] <nate__> me no know english good
[05:37] <MuStR> lol
[05:37] <g14> MuStR, no problem
[05:37] <nate__> hey, anyone know how to load alsa?
[05:37] <Lafitte-> brokenladder,  who said its bad linux ?
[05:38] <Lafitte-> nate you use ubuntu ?
[05:38] <hybrid_goth> hey ubuntites
[05:38] <sniper2> most bad
[05:38] <nate__> Lafitte-, yeah
[05:38] <Lafitte-> nate__, mine was included in the setup
[05:38] <sniper2> yeah brokenladder
[05:38] <g14> sniper2, well why don't you explain why you feel this way
[05:38] <nate__> Lafitte-, mine is included, but its not running
[05:38] <Thirsteh> If I place a shell script inside /etc/init.d, it will automatically 'start' upon boot, right?
[05:38] <sniper2> u are a good people
[05:38] <nate__> Lafitte-, its not much use to me if its not running
[05:39] <bretzel> hi all - reading sniper2's comment: ubuntu bad linux ? though - Mandrake (mandriva ), redhat and SuSE and co are all bad linux ?
[05:40] <Nalioth> bretzel, can you say "worse linux" rofl
[05:40] <dcraven> Maybe the guy is ESL... Yeesh.
[05:40] <Thirsteh> sniper2, you need to consider the fact that Ubuntu is a brand new Linux distribution, especially compared to big, commercial Linux distributions like Redhat, Fedora, Mandriva, SuSE, et cetera. The fact that they are already no.1 on several polls is outstanding. Ubuntu isn't bad, in fact it's the best Linux distribution I've had the pleasure of using.
[05:40] <Thirsteh> Nalioth, it's "The worst Linux" ;)
[05:41] <Nalioth> Thirsteh, bretzel any RPM based linux is 'worse'
[05:41] <g14> ubuntu is one of the most polished linux distributions by far.
[05:41] <g14> Suse probably being second
[05:41] <sniper2> ubuntu is a funny linux
[05:41] <sniper2> i hate it
[05:41] <sniper2> its bad and stupid
[05:42] <Xenguy> sniper2: you don't know what you're talking about
[05:42] <g14> sniper2, well use slackware. Maybe that will help you learn
[05:42] <Thirsteh> Nalioth, Mandriva is the only distribution in my opinion that handles RPM installation/uninstallation and dependencies satisfyingly.
[05:42] <dcraven> Okay, I agree.. That's a troll. heh
[05:42] <mebaran151> I write in Ruby
[05:42] <Thirsteh> sniper2, go do a stage 1 Gentoo install :D
[05:42] <Nalioth> sniper2 is being poetic, y'all. let him wax on
[05:42] <fortran01> Thirsteh: amen
[05:42] <MuStR> sniper2 is CLEARLY here for attention
[05:42] <mebaran151> who might I contact to the ruby-gnome2 pkg
[05:42] <g14> Maybe the admins will give him attention *cough* devoice *cough*
[05:42] <Nalioth> Thirsteh, i won't touch a RPM based distro
[05:42] <Thirsteh> +q@sniper2
[05:43] <gbic> as they say...ignorance is bliss
[05:43] <fortran01> Nalioth: you didnt touch redhat?
[05:43] <mebaran151> libgda-ruby must be recompiled to fit libgda2.3
[05:43] <mebaran151> and not 2.1
[05:43] <Thirsteh> Nalioth, I agree that DEB as Ubuntu uses is better, and there's alot more available.
[05:43] <mebaran151> seems rather trivial
[05:43] <Nalioth> fortran01, in the past i tried lots of different things
[05:43] <g14> Nalioth, why not? rpm is superior to deb as far as packaging
[05:43] <mebaran151> deb is fine
[05:43] <mebaran151> rpm is fine
[05:43] <hybrid_goth> is there a argument to make mplayer repeat a song?
[05:43] <dcraven> mebaran151: Check for a maintainer in apt.
[05:43] <mebaran151> they all do the job
[05:43] <Nalioth> g14, you RPM lovin user, you
[05:43] <Xenguy> omg
[05:43] <mebaran151> ok
[05:44] <Nalioth> g14, i've been down in redhat hell many times
[05:44] <g14> Nalioth, I'm sitting here on my ubuntu machine with bluecurve icons :)
[05:44] <Thirsteh> Let the RPM vs. DEB vs. SRC flamewar BEGIN!!!
[05:44] <fortran01> Nalioth: books used to document and deal installation in RPMs
[05:44] <Nalioth> g14 not anymore
[05:44] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: heh
[05:44] <Nalioth> g14 i've got bluecurve theme, also
[05:44] <Predius> I'm a non conformist, binaries in tarballs. ;)
[05:44] <Thirsteh> Time to restart X ...nvidia......mmmmm.......
[05:44] <Xenguy> we're not here to do rpm, are we?
[05:44] <sniper2> debian is well then ubuntu
[05:44] <g14> Nalioth, the yum in fc4 is on par (speedwise) with apt-get
[05:44] <REds> rpm pfft lol
[05:45] <fortran01> urpmi the best!
[05:45] <g14> Nalioth, and handles dependencies just as well
[05:45] <Nalioth> Xenguy, what do you want to talk about?
[05:45] <Xenguy> g14: you're on crack - yum is crap compared to apt-get
[05:45] <Lafitte-> nate__,  apt-get install alsa-base     try that
[05:45] <Nalioth> g14, i havent used fedora 4, but one can only hope
[05:45] <REds> u just cant compare apt-get/dpkg
[05:45] <hybrid_goth> ubuntu needs .ub or .uber
[05:45] <Xenguy> Nalioth: umm, debian or ubunut, how bout that ;-)
[05:45] <REds> its on its own par ;0
[05:45] <Predius> I swear I'm near killing the MOTUs.
[05:45] <Xenguy> ubuntu
[05:45] <hybrid_goth> Predius: why?
[05:45] <g14> Xenguy: Well here are 2 things I can do with yum I haven't found out how to do with any of the debian tools
[05:46] <Nalioth> sniper2 what happened to your poetry?
[05:46] <Xenguy> g14: yes?
[05:46] <pablo928> hey, you're confusing usa nebies with this talk of rpms. Ubuntu is my 1st linux distro.
[05:46] <g14> Xenguy: I can install a base system into a folder for virtual servers with yum --installroot
[05:46] <Nalioth> sniper2, you were starting out so well
[05:46] <g14> Xenguy, I can restore all of the file permissions and check the md5 of any binaries with rpm
[05:46] <sniper2> adas
[05:47] <sniper2> pay for money
[05:47] <mebaran151> just did
[05:47] <g14> Xenguy: Maybe it's because I've very new to debian and a redhat admin, but rpm is a very well thought out package format
[05:47] <hybrid_goth> Predius: what did the MOTUs do now?
[05:47] <Xenguy> g14: whatever - all of this is trivial IMO
[05:47] <mebaran151> I swear, Ubuntu should use Ruby
[05:47] <mebaran151> it is such a clear easy language
[05:47] <Predius> Firefox!
[05:47] <mebaran151> better than python
[05:47] <Nalioth> mebaran151, Ruby is available in ubuntu
[05:47] <Predius> You can't get Extensions, did you know?
[05:47] <REds> g14, rpm isnt as good with depdencies, this is well known
[05:47] <Predius> Unless I download FF from mozilla's site.
[05:47] <hybrid_goth> Predius: No?!?!
[05:47] <Predius> Nope.
[05:48] <Predius> Try.
[05:48] <g14> REds, yum changes that and puts it on a level playing field
[05:48] <Predius> It says "get the latest ff, ktnxplz."
[05:48] <veritas> How can I unmode +i?
[05:48] <dcraven> mebaran151: You don't like Python? I've never tried ruby.
[05:48] <hybrid_goth> Predius: damn them now i got to compile Mplayer and Fx
[05:48] <Predius> why?
[05:48] <REds> g14, u can do md5-sums with apt/dpkg i believe, debian backs up the old file rather than overwriting on package upgrades also, so u have the permissions
[05:48] <Predius> mplayer?
[05:49] <g14> REds, Is it possible to do something like this with dpkg? http://www.fedorasolved.com/viewtopic.php?t=29 I really need it to do this and can't find out how
[05:49] <REds> g14, ive seen yum but its still rpm's , they break more its a well known fact compared to debs
[05:49] <REds> *looks
[05:49] <Predius> I'm running nightly now, since the 1.0.4 is still buggy, for me atleasy.
[05:49] <hybrid_goth> Predius: b/c of the "resticted" stuff i juss use the real one instead of the cut up ubuntu mplayer
[05:49] <REds> g14, u have to get in there and use dpkg more, it is powerful
[05:49] <g14> REds: rpm stores the md5 and permissions in the rpmdb. I'm not aware of dpkg doing this
[05:50] <Xenguy> *plonk*
[05:50] <Predius> marrilat?
[05:50] <Nalioth> g14 the md5s are stored in the system somewhere
[05:50] <REds> g14, thats not realy a package programs problem, permissions is realy to do with the admin and user though
[05:50] <g14> REds, debians strength is that they try to maintain binary compatability with all derivatives where rpm based distros dont
[05:51] <hybrid_goth> Predius: i aint worried about it now
[05:51] <REds> g14, if ur trashing whole dir permissions u shuldnt be playn with stuff though ?
[05:51] <g14> REds, But isn't it nice to use the package management tools to check md5sums and fix permissions?
[05:51] <g14> REds, That is just an example. For if you mess up permissions
[05:51] <REds> ye, but dpkg uses md5sums
[05:51] <veritas> Hey g14.. I got some more questions for you
[05:51] <g14> REds, I am trying to say, don't thrash something you don't know and obviously don't use.
[05:52] <g14> veritas, shoot
[05:52] <REds> its good but i think that permissions option shuld be left for a system app though
[05:52] <REds> yah
[05:52] <veritas> When I start kismet, it automatically is in RFmode - now, does it actually dump data to a pcap file?
[05:52] <hybrid_goth> is there a argument to make mplayer repeat a song?
[05:52] <hybrid_goth> *an
[05:52] <veritas> actually = automatically
[05:52] <g14> I started everyone hacking wireless :)
[05:52] <Nalioth> so how many of y'all are taking sick days next week?
[05:52] <g14> veritas, sorry, I have to run out for just a few minutes
[05:52] <Nalioth> i hear the ROTS virus is gonna hit a bunch of us
[05:52] <veritas> g14: I've been interested in this for a long long time
[05:52] <REds> g14, dpkg and apt is just a strong combo aswell as dselect if u like that and the packages are just very well tested, and almost never have many issues with installation
[05:53] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: rots?
[05:53] <Nalioth> revenge of the sith
[05:53] <hybrid_goth> haha
[05:53] <Xenguy> hybrid_goth: while [ -e Max_Webster_-_Blue_River_Liquor_Shine.mp3 ] ; do play Max_Webster_-_Blue_River_Liquor_Shine.mp3; done
[05:53] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[05:53] <Xenguy> hybrid_goth: from the CLI
[05:53] <REds> g14, but also were comparing apt-get to yum which is the gui app im assuming, not realy the same thing, synaptic and update-manager are in earlier stages
[05:54] <krazykook> but anyway you can see just how selective gentoo has become....they only accept packages which will compile properly and just one days' contributions have become very small as you can see here.
[05:54] <krazykook> http://packages.gentoo.org/
[05:54] <Nalioth> REds, yum is very similar to apt-get, only for RPMs
[05:54] <g14> REds, yum is an apt-get equivalent. There is no gui app yet. Hopefully they will add yum support to synaptic
[05:55] <Nalioth> REds, its a CLI proggy (with gui frontends, justl like apt)
[05:55] <Nalioth> g14 i had a gui on my YDL system
[05:55] <REds> ahh ok Nalioth g4, im thinking of the gui on redhat/mandrake and u can add deb sources aswell
[05:56] <Nalioth> well, i'm using debian distros from here on out
[05:56] <Nalioth> i've had enough time in redhat hell
[05:56] <g14> veritas, does the packetsize increase in kismet?
[05:56] <g14> veritas, if not, then it's not capturing like it's supposed to be
[05:56] <veritas> Yes
[05:57] <s_yuan31tee> any way to diff multiple files? diff *.c ../dir/*.c just wont work
[05:57] <veritas> Next question: g14, it takes me like 5 minutes to capture 1000 packets
[05:57] <veritas> weplab states it needs 100,000
[05:57] <veritas> How is it possible for people to consistently crack 128kb WEP in 3 minutes?
[05:58] <REds> Nalioth, have to agree with u there
[05:58] <g14> veritas, thats odd, maybe there just isn't enough network traffic
[05:58] <krazykook> so as you can see there is less than 20 packages for anyone on gentoo to compile in just one day
[05:58] <_neofax> Does anyone have the wlan-ng drivers working with a GigaFast WF741?
[05:58] <veritas> There was absolutely none, I was just monitoring my own with no one on it
[05:58] <ayman> e - Only if its through your mothers line. As far as jews are concern you have tohave a Jewish mother for an automatic ticket to the club. Otherwise you have to go through conversion.
[05:58] <ayman>   ayman :  Kali_the_Vampyre : Yes, I know they are matrilineal.
[05:58] <ayman>   ayman :  Grassroots_Prophet : The hebrew people completely assimilated some cultures and also mixed with many others.. so jew
[05:58] <jaggi> in windows, why would my audio work, mp3s work, but we get no sound when we try to run a DVD movie?
[05:58] <ayman>  PennyBright considers powder snow. Tha
[05:58] <ayman> e - Only if its through your mothers line. As far as jews are concern you have tohave a Jewish mother for an automatic ticket to the club. Otherwise you have to go through conversion.
[05:58] <ayman>   ayman :  Kali_the_Vampyre : Yes, I know they are matrilineal.
[05:58] <paulproteus> veritas: Is the network in a lot of use?
[05:58] <ayman>   ayman :  Grassroots_Prophet : The hebrew people completely assimilated some cultures and also mixed with many others.. so jew
[05:59] <ayman>  PennyBright considers powder snow. Tha
[05:59] <veritas> None
[05:59] <ayman> e - Only if its through your mothers line. As far as jews are concern you have tohave a Jewish mother for an automatic ticket to the club. Otherwise you have to go through conversion.
[05:59] <veritas> When I was monitorin
[05:59] <veritas> How long, on average do it take you to crack WEP G14?
[05:59] <g14> veritas, On a normal WEP enabled network (Like Lowes before they switched to WPA) it normally only took a few minutes to sniff enough packets to crack
[05:59] <g14> veritas, I have a pretty fast laptop, on average, I'd say <10 minutes
[05:59] <Nalioth> veritas, i agree. i've sat outside places and only taken a few minutes to get a result
[06:00] <Nalioth> veritas, that is on my g3 ibook
[06:00] <veritas> I have a very fast laptop - How much does that have to do with it?
[06:00] <g14> veritas, number crunching
[06:00] <Nalioth> veritas, takes CPU to crunch the numbers
[06:00] <veritas> 1.6 Centrino, 512 megs DDR at 333mhz
[06:01] <veritas> How do I set mode -i in IRSSI?
[06:01] <capi> Anyone know a good IRC channel on messing with Computer hardware?
[06:01] <Nalioth> night y'all
[06:01] <bitsmash> hi
[06:01] <g14> hp pavilion zd8000 3.2 p4 1gb ram :)
[06:01] <bitsmash> how do i unzip my multiple zip files?
[06:01] <g14> night Nalioth
[06:01] <JDahl> anyone has experience with number crunching on both P4 and Athlon 64 bit? is it worth going for the 64 bit Athlon?
[06:01] <g14> 64 kills the p4
[06:02] <Nalioth> jdahl, its only worth it if you have 64bit aware apps
[06:02] <g14> like gentoo, even though it takes forever
[06:02] <JDahl> Nalioth, I write my own software, but has anyone tried to compare it?
[06:02] <veritas> g14: You mess around with Packet Injection?
[06:02] <mebaran151> my p4 is slaughtered by my AMD64
[06:03] <g14> can we say dsniff?
[06:03] <mebaran151> nah amd64 has better memory tech
[06:03] <g14> veritas, yes thats part of my job
[06:03] <nate__> hey, i installed using the physical ethernet on my laptop, now when i go to try to activate my wireless, it says: Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1.
[06:03] <nate__> how can i enable it?
[06:04] <veritas> g14: How much faster does packet injection make recieving packets?
[06:04] <brokenladder> but intel makes their own mb's, many of which are much better than amd setups.
[06:04] <brokenladder> in my case, the equivalent amd mb would not have been as good.
[06:04] <nate__> anyone?
[06:04] <krazykook> because gentoo was never about tweaking anything...it is about getting the source code that will compile so it can be ported with wine and mingw type tools over to windows for billions of dollars.
[06:04] <brokenladder> also, amd will not have the fab capacity to keep up with intel on the dual core home market.
[06:04] <mebaran151> maybe it woudl have
[06:04] <mebaran151> Nvidia makes damn good motherboards
[06:04] <brokenladder> no, there are actually features it didn't have
[06:05] <brokenladder> i forgot the details, but i researched it before buying.
[06:05] <g14> veritas, I was referring to a different kind of packet injection I think
[06:05] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: he are you aka torpid?
[06:05] <brokenladder> uh huh
[06:05] <brokenladder> and my crappy on board graphics sucks with linux.
[06:05] <brokenladder> i want to get out of this low res shite.
[06:06] <regeya_> magic words: grappy on board graphics
[06:06] <veritas> g14: I'm talking about crafting fake packets and "injecting" them, to make fake traffic and get the AP to send more real packets back
[06:06] <brokenladder> i don't need good graphics, but for the love of god..this sucks.
[06:06] <regeya_> crappy even
[06:06] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: man i love your music. i am a metal head but listen to a variety of other genre and i loved your music
[06:06] <nate__> anyone?
[06:06] <JDahl> what about PPC for number crunching then? that's supposed to have a sophisticated vector processor? I am thinking of upgrading my homemachine, but cant make up my mind
[06:06] <brokenladder> i don't understand why things are physically bigger on my screen in a lower res mode.  x should know my physical monitor size.
[06:06] <g14> veritas, set up 2 hosts and have them copy files with ssh and a for loop
[06:06] <regeya> hey, how many graphics cards is os x up to now?  four?
[06:06] <brokenladder> hybrid_goth i live in san francisco and i'm dying to make it.
[06:06] <krazykook> and so many people belieive the crap that winehq spews out...just a pack of lies....they know about running mingw and similar tools on wine...they just don't tell anyone
[06:06] <g14> veritas, then sniff away
[06:06] <brokenladder> i wish more people shared your sentiment.
[06:06] <Thirsteh> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=323317    :(
[06:06] <brokenladder> hybrid_goth, please post to my forum.
[06:07] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: ok
[06:07] <regeya> um
[06:07] <brokenladder> i have intel extreme graphics 2, and dammit i just want to get higher than 640 resolution.  even vesa would be great.  anyone?
[06:07] <regeya> mingw on wine...
[06:07] <brokenladder> pleeeez
[06:07] <veritas> a "for loop"?
[06:07] <brokenladder> hybrid_goth, this new computer i just got, once i get it set up, will be my new recording system.  it's bad ass
[06:07] <krazykook> that way the GNU programmers do all the work and give away the code for free...and the wine porters...just port the code to windows and make billions as an organziation called Microsoft
[06:08] <g14> veritas, you could set up a bash script to continuously copy a file back and forth between 2 machines through ssh
[06:08] <regeya> can you explain this to me, krazykook?  WHY are you wanting to run MINGW on WINE?
[06:08] <krazykook> and gentoo was never about tweaking anything...it is about getting source code that will compile
[06:08] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: awesome. so far my fav song is the gene for suicide
[06:08] <brokenladder> thanks.  i love that song but hate that rendition of it.
[06:08] <g14> veritas, or just copy a really big file like a dvd rip over the network. That will be easy to sniff
[06:08] <brokenladder> it needs heavier vocals and d rums and everything.
[06:08] <veritas> g14: Wouldn't you need to be associated to do that, g14?
[06:09] <regeya> Heh, that makes me wonder if cygwin will install under wine ;-)
[06:09] <g14> veritas, you said it was on a home network and you need more traffic
[06:09] <g14> veritas, a normal network has plenty of traffic to sniff
[06:09] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: the best thing is it is in ogg :D
[06:09] <veritas> g14: Define normal network...
[06:09] <dcraven> krazykook: wtf are you talking about?
[06:09] <hybrid_goth> man come to texas you would kill
[06:09] <veritas> g14: A generic home network with absolutely no traffic?
[06:10] <g14> veritas, 3 or more computers talking to eachother
[06:10] <brokenladder> hybrid_goth,  i was in beaumont over christmas
[06:10] <dcraven> brokenladder: Did you see this wiki page? --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:10] <g14> veritas, , windows automaticly phoneshome to M$ and does auto updates. That is enough
[06:10] <veritas> If the computer is on ;)
[06:10] <dcraven> g14: ...
[06:11] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: you didnt play did you?
[06:11] <brokenladder> play what?
[06:11] <hybrid_goth> music...
[06:11] <brokenladder> no no..not in texas
[06:11] <g14> jeff@desktopmonster:~$ uptime
[06:11] <g14>  21:11:24 up 14 days,  4:38,  2 users,  load average: 1.06, 1.17, 1.26
[06:11] <brokenladder> just visiting the gf's mommy.
[06:11] <g14> veritas, with linux I don't need to worry
[06:12] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: ah did you like it
[06:12] <brokenladder> it's lame like kansas, where i'm from
[06:12] <dcraven> g14: Why not?
[06:12] <brokenladder> i like austin though
[06:12] <brokenladder> san francisco beats everything though
[06:12] <g14> dcraven, because it's easier to secure linux and I always do so
[06:12] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: SF? man I LOVE HOUSTON
[06:12] <veritas> g14: More newb questions :P
[06:12] <g14> veritas, alrighty
[06:13] <dcraven> g14: I see. heh
[06:13] <veritas> g14: Once you associate, what can nmap tell you, exactly?
[06:13] <brokenladder> houston was lame
[06:13] <hybrid_goth> i signed up for the forums
[06:13] <veritas> Since I finally got the right tools and software, I'm really excited... If you didn't catch on.
[06:13] <hybrid_goth> o_0 houston has nice nightlife
[06:13] <g14> veritas, here are a few examples... so you've cracked the wep key and gotten access to the computer. It is a 19.168.1.xx network...
[06:14] <hybrid_goth> good day benplaut
[06:14] <g14> veritas, nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 will do whats called a pingscan of the whole network. It sends a ping to every ip and tells you which ones are available
[06:14] <g14> veritas, every ip from 192.168.1.1-255
[06:16] <veritas> g14: "Available", if you're already associated what does it matter?
[06:16] <g14> veritas, Associated?
[06:16] <capi> Anyone know a good IRC channel for messing with computer hardware.
[06:17] <veritas> Assigned an IP from the DHCP, connected to the network
[06:17] <g14> veritas, ok, you are on a new network. You want to find hosts to hack into. That is what a pingscan is for
[06:18] <veritas> keep in mind this is my first week in Linux, I'm not really familar with configuring settings for networks that don't have DHCP enabled/ :x
[06:18] <IIIEars> Hello!
[06:18] <g14> veritas, ok
[06:18] <veritas> Right, I understand the point now
[06:18] <veritas> What do you use to attack availabe IPs?
[06:18] <xMaximex> why can't i update firefox to the last version with apt-get and synaptic ?? The last version is 1.0.4 and the installed version is 1.0.2
[06:18] <g14> veritas, Once you find a host on the network, try running something like nmap -sV -O ipaddress
[06:19] <ryman> xMaximex, you can download it from www.getfirefox.com
[06:19] <hybrid_goth> xMaximex: b/c it was not avaible with the release of hoary
[06:19] <g14> veritas, that will scan the computer for open ports, attempt to determine what services are running on the ports and attempt to guess the operating system
[06:19] <brokenladder> i don't think there's any www in that url.
[06:19] <IIIEars> made a couple of Ubuntu converts has anyone seen "markgtarist" or "Momster" ?
[06:19] <xMaximex> ryman, if i install it with the .tar.gz it will no longer update by itself ?
[06:20] <g14> veritas, you could use the version numbers of software it gives you to go to a vulnerability database website like www.packetstormsecurity.org or securityfocus.com and hack into that computer
[06:20] <ryman> xMaximex, I dont know but there is 1.0.2 backport from Ubuntu
[06:20] <veritas> g14: This is your profession?
[06:20] <g14> veritas, you could also use that information to look for common misconfigurations to find some sort of backdoor
[06:20] <veritas> Badass job ;)
[06:20] <ryman> do the update and upgrade
[06:20] <g14> veritas, you could say that :)
[06:20] <Marble2> Anyone here using handbrake?
[06:20] <veritas> Profitable?
[06:20] <g14> veritas, I work for the govt
[06:21] <veritas> I'm entering UCI next year undecided/undeclared... They're CS deparment is in the 10 best in the nation
[06:21] <veritas> Hhahaha, no shit?
[06:21] <capi> ?
[06:21] <g14> veritas, For computer security, purdue is the best in the nation. Thats where I went
[06:21] <veritas> How do I set IRSSI to -i
[06:21] <g14> veritas, MIT is probably second best
[06:22] <Predius> Guys, globally, where are the best unis?
[06:22] <Predius> *colleges
[06:22] <brokenladder> for what?
[06:23] <tritium> g14, you're a Purdue grad?
[06:23] <brokenladder> i'd suggest mit,
[06:23] <g14> Predius: USA
[06:23] <Predius> damnit, IT in general.
[06:23] <veritas> 'Evening, tritium
[06:23] <brokenladder> my roomie's gf went to penn state
[06:23] <JDahl> Predius, that depends entirely on what subject you want to study
[06:23] <tritium> veritas, hello
[06:23] <tim__> veritas, what's UCI stand for? (U. Cali Irvine?)
[06:23] <g14> tritium, boilermakers all the way
[06:23] <Predius> Yeah, I know.
[06:23] <veritas> Yeahm tim__
[06:23] <veritas> Yeah*
[06:23] <tim__> veritas, OK.
[06:23] <tritium> g14, I'm at Purdue now
[06:23] <Predius> In a broad scale, that was my question.
[06:24] <tritium> veritas, How are you?
[06:24] <g14> tritium, CS?
[06:24] <JDahl> Predius, + generally the university is not the bottleneck... you are :)
[06:24] <veritas> I'm not familar globally.. but in the US... UC Berkeley, MIT, Cal Tech, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton are the sterotypical answers
[06:24] <tritium> g14, no, ECE
[06:24] <pablo928> g14:so does that make you a hoosier?
[06:24] <tim__> heh, it's weird to hear talk about schools. I just got into law school ;) Well, into another and about the last I was waiting for.
[06:24] <veritas> tritium: Good, kicking back with you guys before I head out for the night, gleening knowledge for g14 :)
[06:24] <tim__> The others I no longer care about ;)
[06:24] <hybrid_goth> tritium: is purdue a nice computer school?
[06:24] <veritas> tritium: You?
[06:25] <regeya> know what'd be really awesome?
[06:25] <Lafitte-> ubuntu is good distro
[06:25] <veritas> for = from*
[06:25] <Lafitte-> i like it
[06:25] <tritium> hybrid_goth, I believe so.  I'm a PhD candidate in Elec. & Comp. Eng., so I'm not too familiar with the CS dept.
[06:25] <Predius> I know, JDahl, I just don't think many jobs like a man who just says that he knows, even if he does.
[06:25] <regeya> if the kernel that shipped with the current stable system had a b0rked inotify.  I mean, it'd never happen
[06:25] <regeya> oh wait
[06:25] <hybrid_goth> tritium: ah
[06:25] <hybrid_goth> i want to go to Berkely or MIT
[06:25] <veritas> g14: You're a gov't employed Security Analyst, yet you don't mask your IP? :x
[06:25] <regeya> release schedules are great I suppose when you control every aspect of a dev cycle
[06:26] <g14> hybrid_goth, I didn't say I was a Security Analyst
[06:26] <pablo928> tritium: are you a hoosier too?
[06:26] <g14> sorry, veritas
[06:26] <hybrid_goth> Berkely b/c of BSD and MIT for all the hackin
[06:26] <IIIEars> can you do that? - set HIDE ALL does nothing
[06:26] <tritium> pablo928, only for a few more months, then it's back to New Mexico, where I'm from
[06:26] <g14> veritas, I'm a network admin. "penetration testing" is part of securing a network
[06:26] <tritium> g14, but I did my undergrad at Notre Dame.  Go Irish!
[06:27] <veritas> g14: agreed. :)
[06:27] <JDahl> tritium, what topic are you working on? I'm a post.doc. at UCLAs EE dept working on convex optimization
[06:27] <g14> tritium, nice
[06:27] <pablo928> tritium: my "uncle" was a profesor of mathematics for many years at purdue
[06:27] <IIIEars> hm - How do you mask your ip address?
[06:27] <veritas> tritium: Where ya' at now, and what are studying in grad school?
[06:27] <IIIEars> easy question no?
[06:27] <tritium> JDahl, Comm. & Signal Processing.  My dissertation is in the area of radar detection.
[06:27] <veritas> Convex optimization... Post Doc? Wow, sounds like you must be loaded :P
[06:27] <g14> IIIEars, disable all ports on your computer. I'm pretty sure ubuntu does this by default
[06:28] <Lafitte-> anyone know how to disable a touchpad on a laptop if a mouse plugged in ?
[06:28] <veritas> Lafitte-: Why would you want to? :x
[06:28] <hybrid_goth> g14: yes it does nmap 127.0.0.1 and all you get is active ports
[06:28] <tritium> pablo928, cool.  They have a good math dept. here too.  Prof. Neugebauer teaches a mean Measure Theory course.
[06:28] <capi> Lafitte, Put duck tape over it... low tech.
[06:28] <Lafitte-> veritas,  because  i have a 3lb laptop   super small  and i always hit the pad and relocate the cursor
[06:28] <IIIEars> now i -am- lost - lol - disable *all* ports? - huh?
[06:29] <g14> hybrid_goth, 127.0.0.1 is loopback. Try doing it again on your public ip
[06:29] <veritas> Lafitte-: Ah :)
[06:29] <phxguy> anyone here familiar with kxdocker?
[06:29] <veritas> Lafitte-: Mine's 4.1, and I never do :P
[06:29] <Lafitte-> veritas,  the laptop has an on off switch for it  if windows is running
[06:29] <pablo928> tritium: my uncle was prof. gutzwiller
[06:29] <Thirsteh> Nowadays, monitors will display the blue screen "Invalid Resolution ~ Hertz" when you try to run in a refresh rate higher than the monitor can handle, right?
[06:29] <tritium> pablo928, ah, cool :)
[06:29] <Lafitte-> i plug a little mouse in  always
[06:29] <hybrid_goth> g14: it should do the same eh?
[06:29] <tritium> JDahl, where did you do your PhD?
[06:29] <g14> hybrid_goth, no probably not
[06:29] <Thirsteh> Yeah, they will, nvm.
[06:29] <hybrid_goth> ok
[06:29] <JDahl> tritium, in Denmark
[06:29] <tritium> JDahl, ah, cool.
[06:29] <JDahl> (I am Danish)
[06:29] <pablo928> tritium: i say my uncle, but he was married to my father's cousin
[06:30] <Lafitte-> veritas,  or     how i turn off taps ?
[06:30] <Thirsteh> JDahl, Tuborg ;)
[06:30] <veritas> Lafitte-: No idea, sorry bro :(
[06:30] <Lafitte-> veritas,  that would make it 90% better
[06:30] <hybrid_goth> whats the unix equal to ipconfig
[06:30] <tritium> pablo928, gotcha.
[06:30] <Thirsteh> JDahl, you don't live in Denmark?
[06:30] <g14> hybrid_goth, ifconfig
[06:30] <Lafitte-> i know   tpconfig can  but it wouldnt install
[06:30] <IIIEars> Microsoft promises no more "Blue Screen of Death" BSOD for longhorn
[06:30] <JDahl> Thirsteh, pfft... I'd rather drink my own urin
[06:30] <Thirsteh> JDahl, lmao.
[06:30] <JDahl> Thirsteh, no, I work and live in LA
[06:30] <veritas> Lafitte-: In Windows I have software for that, as well. No idea for Linux
[06:30] <IIIEars> they are using a new color RED - lol
[06:30] <Thirsteh> JDahl, nice. Good job :)
[06:30] <pablo928> tritium: i believe there's an endowment in his name at purdue
[06:30] <veritas> IIIEars: I read there's still BSODs, just RSODs for really serious errors.
[06:31] <Thirsteh> JDahl, starting on my International Bachelorship after the summer holidays, so maybe I'll be joining you ;)
[06:31] <tritium> pablo928, I'll check into it
[06:31] <veritas> JDahl: Yearly salary? :D
[06:31] <pablo928> tritium: do that, please, and let me know
[06:31] <Lafitte-> veritas,  i got it  :)
[06:31] <JDahl> veritas, not that big... at least not as high as in industry
[06:31] <veritas> I feel really younge all of assuden. I'm the only one who isn't in colelge yet.
[06:31] <veritas> Lafitte-: Congrats, how?
[06:31] <hybrid_goth> g14: ah. nmap 127.0.0.1 shows more ports
[06:32] <Thirsteh> veritas, I wasn't 2 years ago either :P
[06:32] <veritas> <------ 17
[06:32] <tritium> pablo928, there's a Gutzwiller mentioned here: http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html3month/020715.H.Higgins.civilscls.html
[06:32] <pablo928> veritas: if it heps i'm 52 and i'm a newbie to linux
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> <-------- 14
[06:32] <g14> hybrid_goth, 127.0.0.1 is loopback. On every network card in the world, 127.0.0.1 will access itsself
[06:32] <veritas> pablo928: Hahhaha, awesome man
[06:32] <regeya> I was in college a few years ago
[06:32] <pablo928> veritas: helps that is
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> g14: i know
[06:32] <karljp> hmm, rather live in LA than denmark
[06:33] <regeya> southern illinois univerity: the best 6 or 7 years of your life
[06:33] <hybrid_goth> g14: there is no place like 127.0.0.1
[06:33] <karljp> you can keep LA, it's all yours :)
[06:33] <veritas> I'm not a big LA fan
[06:33] <Lafitte-> veritas,  argh    i got tpconfig  but it tells me no synaptics touchpad    rofl    thats what it is
[06:33] <veritas> Howerver, drive an hour-2 down South
[06:33] <capi> I'm looking to update an old box, ~4GB, PentiumII, Win. Mostly for expirementing, i want to make it a bit more Ubuntu friendly, so maybe change the Bus and definetly add memory. Anyone know some good sites with information on how to do stuff like that, mainly how to tell what your computer can handle. Making things work nicely together.
[06:33] <veritas> and you're in my loal town :D
[06:33] <veritas> Lafitte-: That's mine too
[06:33] <pablo928> karljp; l.a., been ther, done that
[06:33] <veritas> You wouldn't happen to own a 700m?
[06:34] <IIIEars> capi - pick up an inexpensive new computer they can be had for less than $200 - great for webservers/NAS
[06:35] <Lafitte-> im reading its a problem everywhere
[06:35] <pablo928> veritas, then you're not to far from me. (I'm in yuma, az
[06:35] <regeya> so is inotify working nicely in 2.6.11?
[06:35] <Lafitte-> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27650.html
[06:35] <hybrid_goth> anyone know of a google killer?
[06:35] <veritas> pablo928: Sounds pretty far to me. I'm in Laguna Beach, CA. :P
[06:35] <krazykook> now the funny thing is that the CEO of SUN calls all the GNU programmers a bunch of damn fools and idiots.....he thinks they don't know MS is stealing everything
[06:36] <capi> IIIEars, I have plenty of computers. I'm really in this for the learning experience, since I haven't dabbled in hardware to much.
[06:36] <g14> hybrid_goth, I just scanned you and it didn't return anything. The ubuntu firewall by default stealths all ports and denies pings
[06:36] <veritas> g14: /whois showed your info
[06:36] <hybrid_goth> g14: doesnt MS do that on their server
[06:36] <regeya> see, the thing about buying a $200 computer is that they last like $200 computers and tend to be unusable when you're swapping h/w
[06:36] <pablo928> veritas, when you consider that we're xhatting with people from all over the worl that';s next-door
[06:36] <IIIEars> gl4 - point it this way am i any better off?
[06:36] <shido6> regeya, unless its an xbox
[06:37] <g14> veritas, I've got nothing to hide. My computer is secure. If you portscan this computer you will see an ssh server and a hula webmail server
[06:37] <veritas> pablo928: True :) I find it amazing how many foreign (outside the US) folk there are - I'm learning it's more of an open source then than just Ubunt - It's refreshing, I like it :)
[06:37] <g14> hybrid_goth, They block pings, yes
[06:37] <brokenladder> anyone know how to get vesa working on intel extreme graphics 2?
[06:37] <regeya> krazykook: if he wants to call anyone a bunch of damnfools getting ripped off by MS, he could say it about the *BSD guys, but they don't seem to mind.
[06:37] <hybrid_goth> g14: so the ubuntu FW does that bu defualt?
[06:37] <hybrid_goth> nice
[06:37] <krazykook> krazykook: well the BSD guys are well paid by MS and Apple
[06:38] <IIIEars> brokenladder - have you ried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:38] <dcraven> regeya: Or even worse, the people who buy their products.
[06:38] <regeya> !
[06:38] <tritium> veritas, sorry, didn't see your question above.  Did you get the answer?
[06:38] <krazykook> they have always been the pimps of MS
[06:38] <g14> hybrid_goth, yeah ubuntu does a few things for security. They are the first linux distro I know of that totally disables root by default and uses sudo. Thats nice
[06:38] <hybrid_goth> regeya: it is b/c of the bsd liscence sucks
[06:38] <g14> The windows XP tcp/ip stack is just a ripped up freebsd tcp/ip stack
[06:38] <regeya> WHOO LET THE TROLLS OUT!!   WHO!  WHO-WHO WHO! WHO-WHO
[06:39] <IIIEars> gl4 - and this channel gets fifty people a day asking how to renable root. - lol
[06:39] <dcraven> hahaha
[06:39] <hybrid_goth> g14: yes but so many people do not pick that up during installation
[06:39] <brokenladder> IIIEars, absolutely
[06:39] <hybrid_goth> i didnt get it at first sudo that is but i have grown to love it
[06:39] <g14> IIIEars, yes it is sad that they don't understand. To keep them happy, just tell them sudo -s
[06:39] <hybrid_goth> heh
[06:39] <veritas> Bleh
[06:40] <bob__> a python rtfm ?  is it installed by default?  is idle installed?  is it supposed to be in /etc
[06:40] <veritas> in IRSII how do I set -i for my alias
[06:40] <pablo928> IIIEars, i was fortunate,never having used linux before i wasn't expecting to be root
[06:40] <g14> Here is how I set up sudo to pretty much ignore it: put a much of aliases in my ~/.bashrc
[06:40] <IIIEars> kept a root terminal open online all the time my first week using Ununtu - sheepish grin
[06:40] <g14> alias dpkg="sudo /usr/bin/dpkg"
[06:40] <Marble2> Can someone help me out? I'm trying to run handbrake, and every time I run it, I get this error: handbrake: relocation error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0: undefined symbol: NeAACDecOpen
[06:41] <Marble2> any ideas?
[06:41] <hybrid_goth> g14: i dont get it
[06:41] <nate____> does gnome use gnomesu?  or what is the equivalent?
[06:41] <metalsand> g14: Nice trick :)
[06:41] <g14> nate____, gksudo
[06:41] <nate____> g14, thanks
[06:41] <Marble2> hybrid_goth: automatically use sudo when running dpkg
[06:41] <b3ar1n0> Marble2 your libavcodec don't have neaacdecopen :)
[06:42] <hybrid_goth> Marble2: ok now how do i do that
[06:42] <Marble2> right
[06:42] <metalsand> g14: What's some good reading on packetstorm?
[06:42] <Marble2> b3ar1n0: how do I fix that
[06:42] <g14> hybrid_goth, Everytime you open a terminal, it reads a file named .bashrc in your home directory
[06:42] <metalsand> Being a newb I have no idea where to start
[06:42] <g14> metalsand, all of it :) thats where I got started
[06:42] <g14> metalsand, well packetstorm is pretty advanced for the most part
[06:42] <metalsand> g14: Sounds good :)
[06:42] <metalsand> g14: Less advanced literatuer?
[06:42] <g14> metalsand, Do you have money? I'll suggest a few books for you that I have sitting behind me
[06:42] <b3ar1n0> try reinstlala libavcodec and handbrake:) could be tha packet are not aligned:)
[06:43] <IIIEars> << Thinks webshots is good reading?
[06:43] <IIIEars> i'm new okay! - lol
[06:43] <metalsand> g14: Not really, but I'm sure I'll be able to find them ;)
[06:43] <ubuntuan> hello everyone
[06:43] <metalsand> g14: I'm an unemployed high schoo senior. :x
[06:43] <g14> metalsand, Maximum Security - A hackers guide to protecting your computer systems and networks
[06:44] <metalsand> does IRSSI have logging options?
[06:44] <g14> metalsand, Hacking Exposed 4th edition
[06:44] <metalsand> ARG! How do I disable -i for my alias, I can't see people who are invis
[06:44] <b3ar1n0> maximum security? simple unplug it:)
[06:44] <hybrid_goth> g14: hacking like what linus did in 91 or hacking like script kiddie
[06:45] <linux_galore> yeah seen them too but also Ive seen some legal first time computer book authors distributing there books
[06:45] <g14> metalsand, Securing and optimizing linux, the hacking solution
[06:45] <g14> hybrid_goth, thats the name of the books
[06:45] <linux_galore> on bittorent
[06:45] <g14> hybrid_goth, I'll look them up on amazon if you really want
[06:45] <hybrid_goth> g14: but does it mean real hacking?
[06:45] <IIIEars> join techrepublic's mailing list. - useful info explained in terms even a newb can understand
[06:45] <linux_galore> hasnt O'Rielly just recently released a new hacking Linux book
[06:45] <gp_aaron> is there anyway to remove openoffice 1.* from ubuntu?
[06:46] <hybrid_goth> apt-get remove openoffice
[06:46] <g14> hybrid_goth, Those books are for computer security specialists (professional hackers) and much better than anything a scriptkiddy would learn
[06:46] <metalsand> gp_aaron: have you tried sudo apt-get remove openoffice?
[06:46] <ubuntuan> hello can anyone hear me
[06:46] <hybrid_goth> g14: ok cool i hate when ppl say hackin and think of illegal actions
[06:46] <ubuntuan> how do you delete folders?
[06:46] <g14> gp_aaron, open up synaptic and search for openoffice on the installed list. Then check remove
[06:46] <gp_aaron> metalsand, it asks if I want to remove ubuntu-desktop and if i say no it stops removing openoffice
[06:46] <Marble2> ubuntuan: rm -rf folderhere
[06:46] <capi> rm -rf [foldername] 
[06:47] <hybrid_goth> i love linux
[06:47] <ubuntuan> thanks marble
[06:47] <g14> hybrid_goth, correct. A (good) network administrator should be a computer security specialist. For short: whitehat
[06:47] <linux_galore> hmm point gauss gun at hardisk....removes files
[06:47] <Burgundavia> gp_aaron, ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that has deps for the all default desktop things
[06:47] <dcraven> gp_aaron: So say yes.
[06:47] <ubuntuan> i'm starting to love
[06:47] <ubuntuan> it
[06:47] <metalsand> gp_aaron: It's not reallly removing ubuntu-desktop, just say yes
[06:47] <linux_galore> heh heh
[06:47] <gp_aaron> you sure now?
[06:47] <Burgundavia> gp_aaron, you can safely remove it, just remember to reinstall it just before you upgrade
[06:47] <metalsand> gp_aaron: Yes
[06:47] <metalsand> gp_aaron: It's a config file, I believe. It's not x
[06:47] <gp_aaron> dont want to break my install
[06:48] <Burgundavia> gp_aaron, the programs are already installed
[06:48] <hybrid_goth> g14: amen
[06:48] <dcraven> gp_aaron: I removed mine too.
[06:48] <g14> gp_aaron, nautilus is your desktop. It isn't removing nautilus
[06:48] <Thirsteh> Currently instalilng World of Warcraft in Ubuntu :)
[06:48] <gp_aaron> ahh
[06:48] <pablo928> gp_aaron:my undewrsatanding is that ubuntu-dsktop is a meta package and you need to click yes....open office gone
[06:48] <linux_galore> gp_aaron: if rm -rf wont remove it that means its a system file anyway
[06:48] <Burgundavia> g14, nautilus is a file manager
[06:48] <gp_aaron> i just want to drop it in favor of openoffice 2
[06:48] <linux_galore> or owned by another user
[06:48] <IIIEars> Thirstah -good for you.
[06:48] <hybrid_goth> g14: i am not quite a hacker *yet* :P workin on it but when i am white hat :D
[06:48] <Thirsteh> IIIEars, actually, yes it is.
[06:49] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is surprisingly versatile
[06:49] <g14> Burgundavia, nautilus also draws your desktop. Don't believe me? I can show you how to prove it
[06:49] <Burgundavia> g14, no it doesn't
[06:49] <g14> hybrid_goth, if you don't like to read then forget being a hacker
[06:49] <gp_aaron> haha
[06:49] <Lafitte-> so who knows how to change the welcome screen    i would like to select a different screen to log in
[06:49] <Thirsteh> If you don't like to read, why the hell are you here? ;)
[06:49] <linux_galore> ru nautilus while in the KDE desktop.......whole bloody desktop changes
[06:49] <gp_aaron> g14, isn't the gnome desktop like macosx where finder draws the desktop?
[06:49] <linux_galore> run*
[06:49] <Burgundavia> Lafitte-, system-->admin--?login screen setup
[06:50] <hybrid_goth> g14: i have read so many tutorials heh. i have been called a hacker by many but _I_ dont think i am
[06:50] <Thirsteh> Lafitte-, System->Administration->Setup Login Screen (or similar)
[06:50] <g14> Burgundavia, ok since you know everything about nautilus... open up a terminal and type killall nautilus. Notice how your icons disappear and then reappear
[06:50] <IIIEars> just happy to have something i can connect with that doesn't need a heap of life support apps and monthly reinstallation.
[06:50] <Burgundavia> the "desktop" a whole lot of pieces tied together
[06:50] <Lafitte-> Burgundavia, heheh    ya think
[06:50] <g14> Burgundavia, it is because nautilus controls them
[06:50] <brokenladder> okay, i can accept that my screen resolution can't get any better with intel extreme graphics in linux.  but how can i make the size of things on the screen more normal?
[06:50] <Thirsteh> hybrid_goth, do you know what nmap is?
[06:50] <Lafitte-> im lamah now  grin
[06:50] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: yep
[06:50] <Burgundavia> g14, that is because the desktop folder is part of nautilus
[06:50] <ubuntuan> i'm outtie
[06:50] <brokenladder> the size of the screen should be independent of the resolution as long as x can detect my monitor's size.
[06:50] <Marble2> nautilus fucking sucks
[06:50] <dphase> gl4, that isn't the desktop it is a virtual root
[06:50] <ubuntuan> gotta go tinker with ubuntu again
[06:50] <Marble2> no offense to any nautilus devs here
[06:50] <Thirsteh> hybrid_goth, okay, you're not completely useless then, I guess :P
[06:50] <Marble2> but damn
[06:50] <brokenladder> no it doesn't.  it's no beos tracker, but it's decent.
[06:50] <g14> Burgundavia, You are totally oblivious to what I'm saying
[06:51] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: heh
[06:51] <metalsand> Speaking of what controls your deskto
[06:51] <metalsand> p
[06:51] <IIIEars> brokenladder - what did you say your resolution/vid ram was?
[06:51] <metalsand> What's the gnome panel editing program?
[06:51] <Thirsteh> brokenladder, it's probably not the graphics card, for me, I had to reconfigure my monitor settings to allow X to use a higher refresh rate and resolution
[06:51] <brokenladder> i have 64mb video ram
[06:51] <Lafitte-> Burgundavia, thanks     now to hunt down a new theme
[06:51] <Burgundavia> g14, it depends on what you call the "desktop", and whether you include the panel
[06:51] <g14> Burgundavia, install xfce4 and login to it instead of gnome. They open up a terminal and type nautilus -n or --no-default-window
[06:51] <brokenladder> i configured it in bios.  it just used shared memory
[06:51] <gp_aaron> like for the menu? metalsand
[06:51] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: i have nmap
[06:51] <g14> Burgundavia, the panel is not the desktop
[06:52] <brokenladder> Thirsteh, you don't say?!
[06:52] <brokenladder> but i set my monitor settings to exactly what they are.
[06:52] <Predius> Guys, could anyone help me set up php support for apache?
[06:52] <Burgundavia> Lafitte-, www.gnome-look.org
[06:52] <Burgundavia> g14, to your average user it is
[06:52] <g14> Burgundavia, if you do that, you will notice that the background image is drawn and that the gnome icons are put on the desktop
[06:52] <dphase> gl4, you're using the wrong terminology.  what your speaking of is the root window, and nautilus uses a virtual root window.
[06:52] <Thirsteh> brokenladder, in Gnome->Settings->Screen Resolution - Can you select the resolution/refresh rate that you could in Windows?
[06:52] <IIIEars> brokenladder - unless you are using a very old card with only a couple of megs of ram you should get 800x600
[06:52] <fortran01> who are the founders of Google?
[06:52] <brokenladder> Thirsteh, no.
[06:52] <brokenladder> larry page
[06:52] <Marble2> Predius: #apache
[06:53] <Thirsteh> fortran01, Google are the founders of Google.
[06:53] <gp_aaron> fortran01, me
[06:53] <brokenladder> sergey brin
[06:53] <g14> dphase, yes. root window == desktop
[06:53] <MuStR> gl4: can I use some of your time?
[06:53] <Burgundavia> fortran01, sergey brin and some other guy
[06:53] <Thirsteh> fortran01, Sergey Brin or something is the original "Hey, I have an idea"-man, and there was another guy too
[06:53] <brokenladder> i've driven by google's hq
[06:53] <IIIEars> likely you will get 1024x768
[06:53] <Thirsteh> Burgundavia, you always say what I'm about to say, before I say it :P
[06:53] <hybrid_goth> fortran01: the other guy is larry sumthing
[06:53] <fortran01> larry page
[06:53] <dphase> your desktop is more than a root window
[06:53] <fortran01> ?
[06:53] <hybrid_goth> fortran01: try twodads.tk
[06:53] <Predius> Marble2, I've done it in other distros, but after I do the apt-getting, it doesn't work, strangely.
[06:53] <brokenladder> Thirsteh, larry page?
[06:53] <Burgundavia> Thirsteh, fools seldom differ
[06:53] <g14> dphase, really? what about window managers like openbox
[06:53] <Thirsteh> brokenladder, yeah, I think so, sounds familiar.
[06:54] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: is the hq big?
[06:54] <Thirsteh> Burgundavia, yeah, we're retards, for sure.
[06:54] <brokenladder> those are the two guys.
[06:54] <dphase> gl4, what about it
[06:54] <g14> dphase: There is no "panel" there is no start menu. Yet no one would say it doesn't have a desktop
[06:54] <brokenladder> uh..it's like a regular building in an office park a few blocks for shoreline amphitheater.
[06:54] <brokenladder> like one or two stories tall.
[06:54] <brokenladder> i know a guy who works there.
[06:54] <hybrid_goth> lol
[06:54] <krazykook> but well you can't prove anything even though the evidence is everywhere....like lives for linux before MS even had dvd authoring or....the .au sound files before MS even had wav files...and so on
[06:55] <dphase> the term desktop generally refers to the combination of apps used in your environment
[06:55] <dphase> a visual shell
[06:55] <MuStR> gl4: question
[06:55] <bitsmash> how do i install java quick and painlessly
[06:55] <MuStR> bah
[06:55] <MuStR> *g14
[06:55] <g14> bitsmash, use the ubuntu addon cd
[06:55] <dphase> window manager + session manager + panel if need + file manager if needed
[06:55] <MuStR> g14: how do I mount my swap?
[06:55] <IIIEars> lol - PARC - will be mentioned soon i just feel it.
[06:55] <krazykook> so well you just can't prove anything...you just get called insane
[06:56] <g14> dphase, That is desktop environment DE. Not desktop. Now you are using the wrong terminology
[06:56] <bitsmash> g14: why another cd?
[06:56] <krazykook> all the evidence means nothing...people can't even prove that God exists or that they exist.
[06:56] <sushiboo> hello everybody. I just got Ubuntu CDs in the mail today. (Version 5.04 for Intel x86) and I have some questions. May I pose a few questions in this chatroom?
[06:56] <g14> bitsmash, because it will easily do ita ll for you
[06:56] <bitsmash> g14: i cant just use the apt sources?
[06:56] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: did god create man or did man create god
[06:57] <hybrid_goth> sushiboo: yep
[06:57] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: interesting dilemma
[06:57] <IIIEars> sushiboo - sure, jump right in we don't bite. and if gl4 bites you at least he has all his shots
[06:57] <Burgundavia> sushiboo, shoot
[06:57] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: i say the second b/c we limit god
[06:57] <sushiboo> Thank you! I am currently running a WinXP only computer. AT this time, there is no Linux OS on my system.
[06:57] <g14> MuStR,  replace hda2 with whatever your swap partition is in your /etc/fstab file: /dev/hda2       none            swap    sw              0       0
[06:57] <hybrid_goth> sushiboo: its ok not every1 can be perfect
[06:58] <g14> MuStR, just put tabs between everything
[06:58] <sushiboo> I tried the INstall CD. And I got as far as the partitioning stage. In other words, I think I'm having problems in the partitioning stage of the installation process.
[06:58] <sushiboo> I have a 40 GB harddrive.
[06:58] <sushiboo> It's all in, um, the NTFS file format.
[06:58] <krazykook> i think the truth is that the intellectual endeavors are all full of crooks
[06:58] <MuStR> g14: my swap is hda6....
[06:58] <hybrid_goth> he
[06:58] <krazykook> they try to rob from the poor and give to the rich
[06:58] <b3ar1n0> hda2=hda2 Mustr:)
[06:59] <b3ar1n0> hda2=hda6 Mustr:)
[06:59] <MuStR> rgr
[06:59] <g14> MuStR: yep
[06:59] <krazykook> just look at student tuitions so the rich tenured professors can make even more money
[06:59] <hybrid_goth> lol
[06:59] <krazykook> they are all robbing from the poor to give to the rich
[06:59] <Burgundavia> sushiboo, you need to shrink the ntfs with something like partition magic and then install Ubuntu in the remaining space
[06:59] <IIIEars> sushiboo - if you make a mistake installing Ubuntu do you have you backed up all of your important files in windows/
[06:59] <b3ar1n0> or buy another hd:)
[06:59] <sushiboo> When I tried the "automatic partitioning" option, it said it doesn't work. There was no free space. I want to keep my WinXP.
[07:00] <sushiboo> IIIEARs, I have not installed UBuntu yet. I aborted the installation process before I went further.
[07:00] <hybrid_goth> sushiboo: i believe to dual boot you got to go expert mode
[07:00] <hybrid_goth> correct me if i am wrong yall
[07:00] <b3ar1n0> you can try livecd:)
[07:00] <sushiboo> You mean Expert Mode for Partitioning?
[07:00] <b3ar1n0> sunshiboo:)
[07:00] <MuStR> I'm going to assume I have to reboot
[07:00] <hybrid_goth> sushiboo: not 100% but maybe
[07:00] <IIIEars> sushiboo - i would use gparted or qtparted (both free partition magic equals) or buy a second hardrive - many are less than $75
[07:00] <metalsand> Can someone please explain how to set mode -i from my alias in IRSSI so I can see my nick?
[07:00] <Burgundavia> sushiboo, unfortunately, currently the installer doesn't do it for you. You need a 3rd party tool
[07:01] <sushiboo> Is that so burgundavia?
[07:01] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: what about /mode +o
[07:01] <Burgundavia> sushiboo, yep, either paritionmagic or the gparted suggested
[07:01] <metalsand> test
[07:01] <tritium> ajmitch_, ping
[07:01] <metalsand> Nope.
[07:01] <tritium> hybrid_goth, that's for ops
[07:01] <hybrid_goth> well idk
[07:01] <MuStR> does anyone know how to change the default window manager set in gdm?
[07:01] <linux_galore> o0 ( just miss read that as pervert mode )
[07:01] <hybrid_goth> oh yes heh
[07:01] <sushiboo> okay, so  paritionmagic or the gparted are freeware (or at least shareware) for WinXP, is this correct?
[07:02] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: /help mode
[07:02] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: or /help
[07:02] <Burgundavia> sushiboo, paritionmagic is not freeware, but runs on windows
[07:02] <Burgundavia> sushiboo, gparted runs on linux only. I suggest you get a knoppix live cd, as it will contain g or qtparted
[07:02] <K_Dallas> since i have found systemrescueCD, i am no more using partitionmagic
[07:03] <sushiboo> is there a free/shareware program for partitioning my Windows harddrive ?
[07:03] <K_Dallas> Burgundavia, systemrescueCD is smaller and bootable
[07:03] <sushiboo> ... that I download from the internet?
[07:03] <brokenladder> somehow my xorg.conf has no lines about vert and horz refresh rate,  can someone paste those and tell me where they go?
[07:03] <K_Dallas> sushiboo, yes, read above
[07:03] <IIIEars> partition magic is a bit pricey if you are going to buy a proprietory application check out some of symantecs offerings - they frequently offer rebates to lower the price
[07:03] <brokenladder> i know the right values.
[07:03] <Burgundavia> K_Dallas, sure that too
[07:03] <super_dude2> how do you get mplayer to do the gnome mode?
[07:03] <hybrid_goth> there is now way to ssh to a xp box is there?
[07:04] <dcraven> hehehe.. Remember shareware and freeware?
[07:04] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:04] <hybrid_goth> dcraven: barely
[07:04] <dcraven> Man that was annoying...
[07:04] <hybrid_goth> dcraven: yes all the adware
[07:04] <IIIEars> sushiboo - yes qtparted and gparted are free - though they are usually offered as part of a live linux CD - are you using dial up?
[07:04] <linux_galore> actually qtparted and diskdrake are open source GPL... I often use PClinuxOS live cd with diskdrake to partition a hardisk total no brainer and easy for newbies.. diskdrake is very much like partition magic but with lots more Unix FS supported
[07:04] <b3ar1n0> hybrid_goth yes :)
[07:05] <dcraven> Not to mention drive lettering.. I still don't know what that was all about.
[07:05] <linux_galore> fs = file systems
[07:05] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:05] <K_Dallas> systemrescueCD is about 140MB
[07:05] <IIIEars> nice tip K-Dallas :)
[07:05] <hybrid_goth> dcraven: networking windows is horrid
[07:05] <Enfer_Singe> hey, is there a way to boot the ubuntu live cd without loading a gui?
[07:05] <Lafitte-> what format do i need to add themes ?
[07:05] <hybrid_goth> exspecially wifi
[07:06] <K_Dallas> it supports FAT, NTFS, Ext, Reiserfs, BSD, and ..., viva opensource ;)
[07:06] <sushiboo> I'm on broadband, but I don't have a CD-rom burner, only a Cd-rom reader. IS there a free/shareware Partitioning program for Windows XP that I can download from the net, and that would allow me to partition my hard drive from the hard drive (not from CD-rom)?
[07:06] <hybrid_goth> Enfer_Singe: you can load it then sudo shutdown now and it should take you to a terminal
[07:06] <linux_galore> Im suprised the ubuntu people dont just fork diskdrake (its gtk based) and use it with ubuntu
[07:06] <linux_galore> on the install
[07:07] <sushiboo> i checked out the websites of qparted and gparted. Looks like they are for linux.
[07:07] <IIIEars> buying a second HD is a good choice they are about the same price as many retail tools and you will have a lot of extra file space
[07:07] <hybrid_goth> i wish gentoo would have a partitioner like ubuntu so i could dual boot it
[07:07] <g14> hybrid_goth, so your 14 and playing with linux?
[07:07] <linux_galore> sushiboo: you can partition a hardisk with a live CD you know
[07:07] <Enfer_Singe> hybrid_goth, well, would I have to be in gnome first to do that?  I am asking because I wanted to use a live cd on an old computer that is only 400 mhz and I am not sure how well gnome or kde would work on there
[07:07] <sushiboo> Ummm. At this time, I don't think I have any plans to buy another HD, as my 40 GB hard drive is fine.
[07:08] <hybrid_goth> g14: yep
[07:08] <sushiboo> Linux_galore, do you mean with the Ubunut Live CD?
[07:08] <b3ar1n0> sushiboo from smae hardi disk not possible i think:)
[07:08] <hybrid_goth> Enfer_Singe: it should be fine for that short time
[07:08] <hybrid_goth> g14: i have used linux for about a year
[07:08] <linux_galore> sushiboo: I havent tried Ubuntu live but there are lots of live CD's like knoppix and PClinuxOS with graphical partitioning tools
[07:08] <K_Dallas> sushiboo, may i ask what kind of partitioning you need to do?
[07:08] <Enfer_Singe> hybrid_goth, alright, Ill try it, thanks
[07:09] <hybrid_goth> forst tried it when i was 12. but it was mdk and i hated it. too windowsy
[07:09] <brokenladder> oh yes!!
[07:09] <b3ar1n0> shrink an ntfs partition k_dallas:)
[07:09] <brokenladder> it finally finally works!!!
[07:09] <hybrid_goth> EfaistOs: np
[07:09] <g14> hybrid_goth, wow! I wish I got into linux that early. I have been using computers since I was 9, but I've only been using linux off and on for about 8 years
[07:09] <K_Dallas> i see
[07:09] <K_Dallas> b3ar1n0, doesnt WinXP do that?
[07:09] <brokenladder> i have no idea why this was so hard.
[07:09] <IIIEars> sushiboo - i am new to linux and had trouble reconfiguring the grub boot loader to dua boot when Ubuntu didn't set it up correctly - lilo is worse.
[07:09] <brokenladder> wonderful.
[07:09] <hybrid_goth> g14: thank god for techtv and ibm
[07:09] <b3ar1n0> k_dallas no without lose data:)
[07:09] <K_Dallas> lol
[07:09] <g14> hybrid_goth, the screensavers :) too bad it's off now
[07:09] <K_Dallas> i never had problems with XP disk partitioner
[07:10] <brokenladder> why the heck does changing your resolution change the size of the objects on the screen, like menubars and text?  it shouldn't do that.
[07:10] <hybrid_goth> g14: yup have you seen twit?
[07:10] <metalsand> God damn G4
[07:10] <hybrid_goth> g14: twit pwns
[07:10] <IIIEars> the original host leo laporte was the best.
[07:10] <g14> hybrid_goth, I've been kinda busy lately
[07:10] <metalsand> Screen saves was awesome...
[07:10] <MuStR> ahhhhhhhhhh I have swap space. thanks, g14.
[07:10] <calc> brokenladder: probably dpi isn't set right
[07:10] <linux_galore> Im sure there is a graphical grub/lilo config tool ....... I know kde 3.4 has on in kcontrol
[07:10] <dcraven> brokenladder: what should it do instead?
[07:10] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: i second that
[07:10] <g14> MuStR, no problem
[07:10] <calc> brokenladder: or the apps don't handle dpi properly
[07:10] <linux_galore> wonder if there is a gtk one
[07:10] <calc> dcraven: should be the same size with better resolution
[07:10] <calc> dcraven: eg 72dpi vs 100dpi
[07:10] <linux_galore> <-- so used to using vi to edit his grub.conf/lilo.conf file
[07:11] <hybrid_goth> g14: ah well when you have a few hrs yes hrs check it out it has patrick leo kevin yoshi and robert
[07:11] <IIIEars> brokenladder - how much ram in your video card?
[07:11] <brokenladder> uhh...like 64mb
[07:11] <brokenladder> there was no vsync and rsync in xorg.conf
[07:11] <calc> brokenladder: i don't know if gnome/kde uses dpi for setting sizes of menu bars, etc
[07:11] <brokenladder> bizarre
[07:11] <calc> brokenladder: i think it only uses it for fonts
[07:11] <bdmp> I have  a question.  I am running kubuntu, but I did "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop " so basically I am running Ubuntu now.  The problem I was having is that automount in Kubuntu wasn't working, but it is working in Gnome now.  It's working but I don't have permissions to delete or anything. How do I change that?
[07:11] <sushiboo> Yes, you see I am currently running a WinXP computer. I'd like to install Ubuntu alongside WinXP, but the partitiioting program that comes on the Ubuntu Install CD does not seem to be able to this automatically. The partitioning program on the Ubuntu Install CD seems to be good only if you want to delete everything from the hard drive (including WinXP), and start from scratch.
[07:11] <sushiboo> That's why I'm looking for a partioning program that I can run (maybe from Windows) before running the installation of Ubuntu.
[07:12] <Thirsteh> Does anyone here know if this is valid in /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc ? : options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1    - Not the option itself, but is making an "option" in that file after the nvidia alias allowable, will it work?
[07:12] <calc> sushiboo: partition magic should do it, isn't free though
[07:12] <hybrid_goth> bdmp: have you tried usin sudo
[07:12] <IIIEars> Squeak!$%^&*THUD^% - just fell outta my chair - the intel card you have will do 1024x768 AT LEAST - trust me on this
[07:12] <calc> sushiboo: also parted can resize and is open source
[07:12] <bdmp> but I want to use the GUI
[07:12] <b3ar1n0> no it is commercial:)
[07:12] <calc> sushiboo: so you can probably find something like qtparted or gparted on a bootable medium
[07:12] <linux_galore> bdmp: sudo rm -rf filename
[07:12] <n3m3s1s> what is the command for see "my proccesus" plz
[07:12] <Thirsteh> sushiboo, you can download Mandriva Linux, it can resize your NTFS partition, then after it has done that, just quit setup and install Ubuntu (REMEMBER TO DEFRAGMENT YOUR WINDOWS DRIVE FIRST!!!)
[07:12] <Enfer_Singe> hybrid_goth, how exactly do you even do a sudp shutdown?
[07:13] <g14> linux_galore, http://grubconf.sourceforge.net/
[07:13] <hybrid_goth> bdmp: lazy arent we use synaptic/kynaptic
[07:13] <Thirsteh> sushiboo, it's critical that you defragment your windows drive(s) first, or Windows may be unbootable after the installation of Ubuntu
[07:13] <bdmp> what does that mean?
[07:13] <IIIEars> brokenladder - keep experimenting with the settings using sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg - okay?
[07:13] <calc> Thirsteh: does that use parted?
[07:13] <hybrid_goth> Enfer_Singe: you type sudo shutdown now then it takes you to cli
[07:13] <sushiboo> okay., I'll remember to defrag my drive first.
[07:13] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: gentoo does have a partitioner....but it takes days to do a stage 1 install
[07:13] <bdmp> yse it for what?
[07:13] <Enfer_Singe> alright
[07:13] <metalsand> Applications --> system tools --> system monitor, n3m3s1s
[07:13] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: hmm
[07:13] <twobitsprite> so... I followed all the steps for DVD playback and Codecs, etc from ubuntuguide.org... and still can't get DivX AVI's to play....
[07:13] <linux_galore> g14: nice
[07:13] <Thirsteh> calc, not sure, I've heard it should be something they made by themselves, I haven't seen such an option in other Linux distribution installers.
[07:13] <sushiboo> Now, is the name of the free Windows partitioning program "also parted" or "parted"?
[07:13] <twobitsprite> mplayer just freezes
[07:13] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: even on a fast processor
[07:13] <calc> sushiboo: partition magic will handle that automatically for you as well, but is commercial software
[07:13] <bdmp> I have no idea what you guys mean
[07:14] <n3m3s1s> thx
[07:14] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: i am not on a fast processor i have a G3
[07:14] <calc> Thirsteh: ok, i tried using parted before and i couldn't make it boot w2k afterwards it told me it couldn't find ntloader
[07:14] <g14> linux_galore, They have something like that written in python they are trying to get included into breezy that I can't find atm
[07:14] <Thirsteh> G3's=300mhz+ :P
[07:14] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: well i don't know the specs on a g3...so i cannot say but a p4 takes a few days to set up from stage 1
[07:14] <sushiboo> calc, call me frugal, but I don't want to pay for any more software. I'm looking for free/shareware.
[07:14] <Thirsteh> calc, yes, that's what happens when you don't defragment the Windows drive(s) first... It sucks, I've tried it.
[07:14] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: no try 600-1.0gh
[07:14] <linux_galore> twobitsprite: did you install libavi
[07:14] <Thirsteh> sushiboo, did you see what I wrote? :)
[07:14] <calc> sushiboo: yea, freeware seems to be somewhat iffy in being able to handle ntfs since microsoft keeps changing it
[07:14] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: but it depends on what you want to do
[07:15] <hybrid_goth> yea
[07:15] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: o i c what you said
[07:15] <b3ar1n0> sunshiboo try this:) http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/
[07:15] <hybrid_goth> didnt see the +
[07:15] <n3m3s1s> i have a little problem with my daemon , when i start my computer, ubuntu has not start automaticly i must type : startx , can you help me ?
[07:15] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: the gentoo people are deeply concerned with getting good compilable code that they can steal and sell as an MS product
[07:15] <sushiboo> thirsteh, yes, you said "defrag drive first." Is this what you were referring to?
[07:15] <bdmp> Linux_galore: sudo rm -rf filename what does that command do?
[07:15] <brokenladder> thank you guys soooo much for helping me get my resolution working.
[07:15] <brokenladder> yayyyyy
[07:15] <twobitsprite> linux_galore, E: Couldn't find package libavi
[07:15] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: it all depends on what it is you want to do
[07:15] <brokenladder> is it a bad idea to copy the gnome settings from my old ubuntu system to this one?
[07:15] <linux_galore> g14: yeah as ubuntu gets used more and more by first timers apps like that need to be added
[07:15] <brokenladder> is that asking for trouble?
[07:16] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: i wanna try a source distro
[07:16] <Thirsteh> sushiboo, uhm, did you read the first part of the line? :P
[07:16] <hybrid_goth> after gentoo i plan to try lfs
[07:16] <Thirsteh> hybrid_goth, try Gentoo then.
[07:16] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: well for source there is slackware and gentoo and linux from scratch
[07:16] <sushiboo> please tell me what I may have missed.
[07:16] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: they are quite careful about things
[07:16] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: thats what i plan on as soon as i can figure how to dual boot it with ubuntu
[07:16] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: i have heard
[07:17] <sushiboo> I checked out http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/downloads.html. now is there something that I need?
[07:17] <IIIEars> sushiboo - if you decide a retail solution is right check out symantecs  get one of the combination packages - they are a good value and very easy to use. - though system rescue CD sounds pretty good free and only 140 megs
[07:17] <n3m3s1s> i have a little problem with my daemon , when i start my computer, ubuntu has not start automaticly i must type : startx , can you help me ?
[07:17] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: but if you just want a fast install to see what linux can do today...well just get a hoary cd
[07:17] <b3ar1n0> yes e livecd linux distro with this tools :)
[07:17] <_nate> does windows media player 9 for OSX work on linux?  has anyone tested it?
[07:17] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: i *have* hoary
[07:17] <bdmp> hybrid_goth bdmp: lazy arent we use synaptic/kynaptic What is this in refrence to? I don't understand?
[07:17] <hybrid_goth> _nateL prolly wine
[07:18] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: well ok you can look around at all the uninstalled packages in synaptic to get an idea of what linux can do today
[07:18] <sushiboo> thirsteh, if you are referring to your advice to get mandriva, the problem is I don't have a cdburner!
[07:18] <linux_galore> twobitsprite: try installing avifile-player  that should install the other stuff......you might not have a good repository though so it might be missing
[07:18] <hybrid_goth> bdmp: you dont want to use the terminal so use synaptic/kynaptic: do you know what that is?
[07:18] <_nate> hybrid_goth: nah, the one for OSX is for a unix-based system, just wondering if anyone has gotten it to work on linux
[07:18] <Thirsteh> sushiboo, oh, lol. :(
[07:18] <bdmp> for what?
[07:18] <IIIEars> synaptic is a safety net until you learn the power of apt-get
[07:18] <Thirsteh> Nice, I've unmounted a CD, but I can't eject it at all :D
[07:18] <bdmp> did you read my question?
[07:18] <hybrid_goth> _nate: oh no it is ppc
[07:18] <g14> linux_galore, Breezy is going to be awesome if they reach 1/2 of the goals here: http://tinyurl.com/b32g8
[07:18] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: why are you telling me this?
[07:19] <bdmp> I don't have permissions on auto mount usb
[07:19] <_nate> hybrid_goth: so if I had yellow-dog on a mac i could install it?
[07:19] <krazykook> g14..well if they get the source cleaned up and consistent where everything compiles properly it will be a much better product
[07:19] <n3m3s1s> what is the command for update all ? apt-cache install update?
[07:19] <hybrid_goth> _nate: maybe
[07:19] <_nate> hybrid_goth: and does it really matter?
[07:19] <g14> _nate, the binary executable type of linux and OSX are different
[07:19] <sushiboo> So let me ask again: is there no way for me to have the Ubuntu INstall CD partition my Harddriive in such a way that my WinXP stuff is kept safe (not deleted)?
[07:19] <_nate> g14: ahhhh
[07:19] <_nate> sushiboo: sure
[07:19] <hybrid_goth> i havent been succesfull with it and ydl sux ubuntu ppc is better and MPlayer out beats wm9+
[07:19] <b3ar1n0> apt-get update; apt-get upgrade n3m3s1s:)
[07:20] <sushiboo> but how?
[07:20] <Stereo> hello chaps
[07:20] <g14> _nate: linux uses ELF or a.out of the older stuff and OSX uses MACH-O or something mac proprietary like that
[07:20] <n3m3s1s> thx b3ar1n0
[07:20] <krazykook> i see a hoary dvd.iso.torrent.....but i don't see any seeds
[07:20] <g14> krazykook, thats why they have till october to clean it up
[07:20] <_nate> g14: ahh, good info, thanks
[07:20] <Stereo> I'd like to download ubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso , but all I can find is  ubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso.torrent. My uni's firewall prohibits bittorrent. amI screwed?
[07:20] <bdmp> hybrid_goth: I don't have permissions on my automount usb. How do I fix that that?  Can I fix that with synaptic?
[07:20] <IIIEars> sushiboo - yes but you will need to edit the "grub" boot loader if ubuntu doesn't find all of your partitions
[07:20] <linux_galore> g14: with the graphical installer they can pick and choose lots of GPL stuff already out there
[07:21] <krazykook> Stereo: yes you are screwed....the universities are the pimps of MS
[07:21] <sushiboo> there is currently only one partition on my hard drive: the one for WinXP (C: drive)
[07:21] <g14> linux_galore, the 2 best are anaconda or yast
[07:21] <IIIEars> sushiboo - print out a howto on grub before you begin.
[07:21] <krazykook> Stereo: they don't want anybody to use azureus to get a linux copy
[07:21] <hybrid_goth> bdmp: open the command line it wont bite
[07:21] <g14> bdmp, It is pretty easy to fix
[07:21] <metalsand> g14: My internal card is connected to my network
[07:21] <linux_galore> g14: naaaw Mandrake installer kills em all...used anaconda and yast dont get near Mandrakes installer for simplicity
[07:22] <MuStR> anyone know how to change the default window manager in gdm?
[07:22] <sushiboo> why do I need to learn about grub? Is grub about partitioning?
[07:22] <MuStR> :\
[07:22] <Thirsteh> rofl I can't eject my CD :(
[07:22] <bdmp> I am not afraid to use the command line, but I like the gui too
[07:22] <krazykook> Stereo: lots of uni's are forcing students to pay throught the nose for MS....so they can feel good about their crooked shit
[07:22] <brokenladder> you guys all know how to set metacity to do wireframe move/resize right?  and make nautilus have  classic behavior yeah?
[07:22] <g14> linux_galore, but is the mdk installer gpl? I'm not sure if it is
[07:22] <bdmp> so I would like to do things in the gui
[07:22] <linux_galore> g14: all GPL
[07:22] <Stereo> krazykook: aye. Especially this one.
[07:22] <Stereo> oh, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/ is what I was looking for!
[07:22] <bdmp> not have to do everything in the command line
[07:22] <Stereo> hurrah!
[07:22] <Thirsteh> Guess I gotta reboot to eject the CD, lol
[07:23] <IIIEars> susiboo - when you switch your computer on the bios hands a command to grub for dual booting
[07:23] <g14> Thirsteh, did you try right clicking on it and hitting eject?
[07:23] <linux_galore> g14: the mandrake free CD/DVD is 100% GPL no proprietry stuff at all that also includes the installer
[07:23] <bdmp> g14:if it is easy to fix, how do I do it?
[07:23] <Thirsteh> lol
[07:23] <MuStR> anyone know how to change the default window manager in gdm?
[07:23] <hybrid_goth> g14: networkmagic looks nice
[07:23] <Thirsteh> gl4, .....yes.
[07:23] <Lafitte-> sweet    im almost all set
[07:23] <Thirsteh> gl4, I/O error, I can't even press the eject button on my cdrom
[07:23] <Thirsteh> I'm talking about the eject button on the actual drive
[07:23] <k4rp0r> :D
[07:23] <Lafitte-> kelw   i fixed taps
[07:23] <k4rp0r> lol
[07:23] <g14> bdmp, open up a terminal. mount -o,user=bdmp,remount /media/mountpoint
[07:23] <Lafitte-> turned the suckers off
[07:24] <g14> bdmp, where bdmp is your linux username and mountpoint is where it is mounted
[07:24] <linux_galore> Thirsteh: if you cant eject it that means an app has locked it
[07:24] <Thirsteh> linux_galore, no, it doesn't, it's unmounted.
[07:24] <bdmp> g14: will the permissions be like that everytime I auto mount it after that?
[07:24] <hybrid_goth> dcraven: have you seen xandos? it mocks windows right down to the lettered drive like you were speakin of
[07:25] <g14> No, you need to add a line for it in your /etc/fstab with defaults,user
[07:25] <linux_galore> Thirsteh: so you did umount /dev/cdrom
[07:25] <g14> brokenladder, you want nautilus to have browsermode?
[07:25] <linux_galore> Thirsteh: type  eject
[07:25] <Thirsteh> linux_galore, lol :P
[07:25] <IIIEars> hybrid_goth - Bill Gates likely has lawyers ready to defend "The Look and Feel" of windows
[07:25] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:25] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: aqua is copyrighted by apple
[07:26] <bdmp> g14: so I want it to be editable from the gui everytime I auto mount. How do I do that?
[07:26] <Lafitte-> anyone  have a ricoh card reader built in laptop working ?    mine doesnt
[07:26] <Thirsteh> linux_galore, I'm not stupid, it's an I/O error. There's nothing that will make my CD drive eject. And no, 'eject -r' doesn't work, neither does forcefully unmount it, cause it's mountable and unmountable, but not ejectable.
[07:26] <Thirsteh> Gonna reboot to fix it. brb.
[07:26] <g14> bdmp, what folder is it mounted on?
[07:26] <linux_galore> Thirsteh: do you have a master reset on the drive....usually a small hole on the front
[07:26] <hybrid_goth> brb
[07:26] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: but anyway just so you understand the uni's are deeply invested in the concept of intellectual property so they choose to be the pimps of MS
[07:26] <metalsand> g14: While my PCMCIA card is RFmoning in kismet, and I'm getting 5pkts/s
[07:26] <metalsand> g14: To crack WEP it'd take hours.
[07:27] <bdmp> g14: /media
[07:27] <g14> metalsand: your problem is that it is pcmcia
[07:27] <Lafitte-> hole in front of cd rom ???     not a reset    thats an open the drive bay hole     rofl
[07:27] <linux_galore> lol dont have to reboot just poke a tooth pick on the master reset hole on the front of the drive
[07:27] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: along with the politicians who don't like anything that even resembles a communistic nature
[07:27] <IIIEars> metalsand are you the teror of your neighborhood? - lol
[07:27] <g14> bdmp: media is the main folder, what is the subfolder? You can find it with the mount command: type mount | grep media
[07:28] <linux_galore> no most cdroms/dvd (mine included) have a small hole in the front and behind that is a switch that resets the firmware
[07:28] <IIIEars> a new OS hasn't helped my spelling at all - grin
[07:28] <g14> IIIEars, you can use gaim for irc, it does spellcheck ;)
[07:29] <IIIEars> lol
[07:29] <krazykook> but the problem is that they have become deeply invested in the concept of intellectual property and therefore have a very disturbed and perverted mentality
[07:29] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:29] <linux_galore> <-- on gaim
[07:29] <hybrid_goth> <---- irssi
[07:29] <linux_galore> love the spell checking
[07:29] <Thirsteh> Now that sound multiplexing works, next step for Linux revolution should be being able to unmount and eject CD's no matter how many chinese script kiddies are r00ting your box and using it.
[07:29] <linux_galore> lol
[07:29] <IIIEars> gl4 - can i mask my IP address here without using an external proxy server?
[07:29] <k4rp0r> lol
[07:30] <tritium> Good night, everyone.
[07:30] <linux_galore> Ive got 4 CD/DVD drives on this system all work fine
[07:30] <bdmp> g14: /media/sdcard1gig
[07:30] <hybrid_goth> tritium: good nite
[07:30] <g14> IIIEars, the default ubuntu firewall will close all ports and deny access
[07:30] <linux_galore> (all burners too)
[07:30] <hybrid_goth> linux_galore: change your name to input_galore
[07:30] <Thirsteh> gl4, Firestarter?
[07:30] <g14> bdmp, ok now what device is that. It should start with /dev
[07:30] <linux_galore> lol
[07:30] <hybrid_goth> ;)
[07:31] <g14> Thirsteh, thats what I use for easy firewall configuration
[07:31] <Thirsteh> gl4, Firestarter doesn't do that by default, but it's easy to configure.
[07:31] <linux_galore> hybrid_goth: naaw I keep buying bigger and bigger hardisks and i need bigger an bigger backup formats
[07:31] <g14> Thirsteh, but I like to enable and disable lots of ports
[07:31] <Thirsteh> me too
[07:31] <Thirsteh> Too bad you can't make it drop connections
[07:31] <Stereo> actually, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/hoary-dvd-powerpc.iso returns no content. Does that mean there is no way of getting a ubuntu dvd iso if you're not on bittorrent, at all?
[07:31] <linux_galore> hybrid_goth: Im just too lasy to pull the things out lol
[07:31] <g14> Thirsteh, Yes, I'm aware of this but I said the ubuntu firewall does that by default
[07:31] <linux_galore> lazy*
[07:31] <Thirsteh> gl4, and I asked you "Firestarter"?, as if, is that the standard?
[07:31] <hybrid_goth> linux_galore: heh i want an external hdd or one of those 4 gb thumb brive put gentoo on it then have like a live usb
[07:31] <Thirsteh> Or are you talking about iptables?
[07:32] <gorilla_> Thirsteh, if you are being portscanned then you are better just dropping packets... holds up the attacker no end.
[07:32] <hybrid_goth> gorilla_: how do you drop packets?
[07:32] <g14> Thirsteh, no. Firestarter is probably the best "desktop" gui for firewall configuration
[07:32] <Thirsteh> gorilla_, yes, that's why I'm saying it's sad that Firestarter won't drop packets, just refuse them (or so I think).
[07:32] <Thirsteh> gl4, nothing beats Shorewall+Webmin, sorry.
[07:32] <g14> Thirsteh, or so you think :)
[07:32] <veritas> g14: Is it possible for me to RFmon with my PCMCIA wireless NIC while being connected to the internet via my wireless internal card?'
[07:32] <IIIEars> firestarter is a good solution. very easy to install. - my curiosity was piqued with shorewall and bastille.
[07:33] <linux_galore> lol I just threw some old wool boots out and I bet my wife they would be gone under 5 min  lol she just went for a look out front and they are gone
[07:33] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:33] <Thirsteh> linux_galore, you live in China?
[07:33] <g14> veritas, Why don't you try switching those 2 around for better sniffing results
[07:33] <gorilla_> Thirsteh, eww... that's ugly... I wasn't aware of that limitation of Firestarter (haven't used it in a while).
[07:33] <linux_galore> no Sydney
[07:33] <hybrid_goth> heh
[07:33] <veritas> g14: sniff with my internal?
[07:33] <Thirsteh> gorilla_, don't take my word for it, though.
[07:33] <g14> dropping packets refers to a firewall not responding whatsoever. It is the socalled "stealth mode"
[07:33] <hybrid_goth> linux_galore: i want to go there so bad. i have heard it is beautiful
[07:34] <hybrid_goth> g14: ok ty
[07:34] <linux_galore> I threw a whole pile of books out last week......even some old ancient Java books....whole lot was gone in 20 min
[07:34] <bdmp> g14: /dev/sda1
[07:34] <veritas> g14: the dBm of my internal is 200+ less than my PCMCIA card
[07:34] <g14> rejecting packets is where the firewall sends a message back to the computer that basicly says, "Sorry, this ports closed"
[07:34] <Thirsteh> That big shiny dome thing that looks like alot of turtle shells was designed by a dane! I'm a dane! Suck it! ;)
[07:34] <linux_galore> hybrid_goth: bit cold right now look like london
[07:34] <linux_galore> looks*
[07:34] <hybrid_goth> hmm
[07:34] <Thirsteh> gl4, reject=visible, but closed, drop=invisible and closed.
[07:34] <Thirsteh> :)
[07:34] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:34] <g14> Thirsteh, correct
[07:35] <hybrid_goth> how do you make it drop
[07:35] <Thirsteh> Easier way of saying it
[07:35] <g14> hybrid_goth, ubuntu does it by default for the 50th time
[07:35] <linux_galore> see a webcam of jdub and the gang at an education expo here in sydney....updated every minute http://slug.org.au/~ctd/edexpo.jpeg
[07:35] <Thirsteh> hybrid_goth, try blocking a port in Firestarter, then go to www.grc.com, do the "ShieldsUP" test and specify the port, see if it says it's closed or stealth, if it's stealth, your wall's dropping
[07:35] <hybrid_goth> g14: i thot it rejected not drop all you said was ohhh
[07:35] <hybrid_goth> heh srry
[07:36] <veritas> What happens if I block port 80 :x
[07:36] <jaask> which is better for linux newbie: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[07:36] <Thirsteh> gl4, no, it doesn't.
[07:36] <bdmp> ubuntu
[07:36] <Thirsteh> jaask, Ubuntu if you like Gnome, Kubuntu if you like KDE.
[07:36] <jaask> bdmp thx
[07:36] <linux_galore> lol jdub ina orange jump suite
[07:36] <bdmp> I am a newbie and ubuntu is easier
[07:36] <hybrid_goth> kubuntu looks more like redmond
[07:36] <jaask> ok,think Im gonna try ubuntu
[07:36] <IIIEars> thirsteh - if you have a router as a gateway you will want to close the IDENT port
[07:36] <Thirsteh> gl4, I tested it after I installed Ubuntu, and my ports were closed, not stealth.
[07:36] <bdmp> I have things that don't work in kubuntu
[07:37] <jdub> oh hey
[07:37] <Thirsteh> IIIEars, I don't :)
[07:37] <jdub> chris didn't tell me about the dv cam
[07:37] <jdub> ;-)
[07:37] <bdmp> then i did apt-get install gnome-Desktop and everything works
[07:37] <sushiboo> Hello, how do I connect to the internte from within Ubuntu? My ISP says I need PPPOE software.
[07:37] <linux_galore> lol
[07:37] <g14> Thirsteh: Ok, maybe I was wrong. In reality that is still mostly irrelevant
[07:37] <Thirsteh> sushiboo, hold on a sec, I know how.
[07:37] <veritas> What happens if I block port 80 :x
[07:37] <sushiboo> I have breadband connection, but I need to enter the username and password that my ISP gave me.
[07:37] <g14> Thirsteh, Linux is mostly secure anyways
[07:38] <Thirsteh> gl4, unless you suffer from paranoia ^
[07:38] <Thirsteh> Or you are hiding from several government agencies
[07:38] <linux_galore> jdub: say hello to mohamid behind you say richard says hello and point at the webcam
[07:38] <hybrid_goth> sushiboo: i want breadband
[07:38] <bdmp> g14: did you catch that the device is /dev/sda1
[07:38] <Thirsteh> They'll prolly find you anyway, though...
[07:38] <Thirsteh> sushiboo, can I query you (priv msg) ?
[07:38] <krazykook> Thirsteh: no the FBI knows exactly where i am at.....i don't care to hide...i just want to get my papers to leave this god damned country
[07:38] <linux_galore> http://slug.org.au/~ctd/edexpo.jpeg
[07:38] <sushiboo> thirsteh, please do.
[07:39] <Thirsteh> krazykook, and I want to get the papers to enter that god damned country :\
[07:39] <g14> Thirsteh, I use CentOS4 on my servers. Here is the configuration guide I go by. http://www.cisecurity.org/bench_linux.html It doesn't get more indepth then that
[07:39] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: heh
[07:39] <g14> Thirsteh, that is for unclassified military networks
[07:39] <g14> *government* networks :)
[07:40] <linux_galore> jdub: on your right he has a beard
[07:40] <hybrid_goth> well yi am goin to bed
[07:40] <krazykook> Thirsteh: you want want to be here when the FBI and the State and everyone else forces you to starve without a job for 11 years and don't even give you food stamps....and those bastards steal your wife and won't let you even talk to your children
[07:40] <hybrid_goth> thank you all for the help
[07:40] <Thirsteh> gl4, I wonder what the C.I.A. uses... They probably use Windows computers with the standard "Windows Internet Connection Firewall", I bet....I bet....
[07:40] <hybrid_goth> good night
[07:41] <krazykook> Thirsteh: so i guarantee ....you do not want to come to this god-dammed country
[07:41] <g14> bdmp, yes, I was thinking something else when I told you that. You can't add static entries into your fstab for hotplug devices. As long as you plug in the device as the user, it should give your write access to it
[07:41] <linux_galore> oi stop blocking the webcam heh heh
[07:41] <g14> krazykook, watch your language man, thats  not cool
[07:41] <Thirsteh> krazykook, my fiancee lives there, it's not really an option. :)
[07:41] <bdmp> g14 it doesn't
[07:42] <krazykook> Thirsteh: well wait until the State steals her and your children and rapes all of them and will not even let you speak to them
[07:42] <Thirsteh> lol
[07:42] <krazykook> Thirsteh: and then the FBI gets into it and takes the States' side
[07:42] <Thirsteh> She already has a dishonourable discharge from the millitary, and have been in quarantine.. So I guess that might happen, yup.
[07:42] <krazykook> Thirsteh: and then the damn psychologist pimps that work for the state declare you insane
[07:42] <Thirsteh> lol
[07:43] <g14> Thirsteh, that sucks. It happened to one of my buddies
[07:43] <Predius> Thirsteh, the CIA runs Solaris 8, =D
[07:43] <Thirsteh> gl4, couldn't leave Minnesota for 6 years :\
[07:43] <Thirsteh> Predius, no, it's Lycoris...No wait, Linspire!
[07:43] <krazykook> Thirsteh: i wouldn't doubt it...they don't like communistic related linux either
[07:43] <g14> But trusted solaris with mandatory access control is no joke
[07:44] <b3ar1n0> selinux too:)
[07:44] <krazykook> Thirsteh: they are just like the pimps in the Universities
[07:44] <g14> I wonder what kind of stuff the nsa runs internally
[07:44] <Thirsteh> gl4, strip clubs.
[07:44] <krazykook> g14: who gives a shit
[07:44] <bdmp> g14: i unplugged them all and then back in. now they work. thanks for your help.  Auto mount wasn't working in KDE, so I was supprised when it did in Gnome.  I thought the problem was a lot larger than it was. Thanks.
[07:44] <veritas> Port 80 has to be unblocked for me to able to access the internet, correct?
[07:45] <g14> bdmp, np
[07:45] <Thirsteh> veritas, not unless you've made your firewall block all outbound connections except those on the whitelist.
[07:45] <krazykook> g14: but the damn son of bitches in this government are bastards that steal your wife and children and will not even let you speak to them for 11 years
[07:45] <Thirsteh> krazykook, where exactly do they take them?
[07:45] <krazykook> g14: and they try to make you think it is your wife and not them....the bastards
[07:45] <g14> krazykook, this is a public channel. Watch the language
[07:46] <krazykook> g14: sorry but i get pissed every time i think about it
[07:46] <g14> krazykook, I understand but remember, we have 14 year olds in this channel :D
[07:46] <Thirsteh> Well, I'd probably be cussing much much more if that had happened to me
[07:46] <IIIEars> veritas - yes port 80 for internet and ports for ftp (20-21?)
[07:46] <Thirsteh> IIIEars, 21
[07:47] <veritas> IIIEars: Thanks
[07:47] <veritas> ANother question
[07:47] <Thirsteh> veritas, 8080 as well
[07:47] <sushiboo> thirsteh, you there?
[07:47] <veritas> Is Ubuntu installed with a VNC
[07:47] <Thirsteh> sushiboo, yep, sorry, didn't notice the msg window
[07:47] <veritas> ?
[07:48] <netsniper> how does one associate url handlers with an application, ie. I want to link "callto://" links with Skype
[07:48] <danko123456> same
[07:48] <krazykook> but those bastards steal and rape your wife and your little girls with their guns and badges
[07:49] <krazykook> they are sons of bitches
[07:49] <linux_galore> just reading a nice article that looks at the new Microsoft XBOX and how Bill Gates accidentally said basically this thing is going to shaft companies like Dell and other third party hardware makers
[07:49] <linux_galore> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050512.html
[07:49] <IIIEars> krazykook - you should eat something (a twinkie maybe?) and get some rest.
[07:50] <veritas> I still haven't disabled mode +i
[07:50] <veritas> So I can see my own alias
[07:50] <Lafitte-> veritas, i got the taps off
[07:50] <netsniper> where is the File Associations manager like in KDE?
[07:50] <netsniper> to use with file extansions
[07:50] <veritas> Lafitte-: What?
[07:50] <Lafitte-> veritas,  solved the typing issue for me
[07:51] <veritas> Lafitte-: Congrats :)
[07:51] <Lafitte-> veritas,  the touchpad thing from earlier
[07:51] <veritas> Lafitte-: Right.
[07:51] <Lafitte-> veritas,  it was a line need to be added to the device script
[07:51] <veritas> Ah, which line?
[07:51] <veritas> I may need it in the future ;)
[07:51] <bdmp> Anyone know how I can change my default desktop from KDE to Gnome?
[07:51] <Lafitte-> hold  ill get that info for you
[07:52] <netsniper> How do I associate "ed2k://" with aMule?
[07:52] <sushiboo> 	is there no built-in pppoe software inside Ubuntu ?
[07:53] <danko123456> bdmp: sessions when you are loggting in?
[07:53] <Lafitte-> veritas,  this site  told me    http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27650.html
[07:53] <Lafitte-> You would addOption "MaxTapTime" "0" to disable trackpad tapping.
[07:53] <Lafitte-> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:54] <netsniper> how do i associate "magnet://" links with gnutella?
[07:54] <sushiboo> according to my isp, i connect to the internet by PPPOE. Is there a PPPOE client/software/etc inside Ubuntu (version 5.04) ?
[07:54] <sushiboo> anybody, please help.
[07:54] <netsniper> how do i associate "webcal://" links with evolution?
[07:55] <bdmp> danko123456: I just wanted to make it so I didn't have to change it everytime
[07:56] <bdmp> danko123456: I started with kubuntu, but Gnome works much better.
[07:56] <danko123456> it asks you to make it dfault
[07:56] <Lafitte-> anyone have a take on whats the best cd burning program to use with this Ubuntu ?
[07:56] <bdmp> oh i see
[07:56] <netsniper> sushiboo, sudo pppoeconf
[07:56] <bdmp> thanks
[07:57] <danko123456> yup
[07:57] <netsniper> Lafitte-, k3b is great
[07:57] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  ok   ill check it out
[07:57] <ivoks> 'morning
[07:57] <sushiboo> nensniper, thanks, but what's  "sudo pppoeconf"? I am a WinXP user, and, having just got the Ubuntu CDs in the mail today, I'm a Ubuntu dummy.
[07:57] <sushiboo> netsniper, i mean.
[07:58] <ivoks> open terminal
[07:58] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  i got gnome baker right now
[07:58] <danko123456> sushiboo: just type it in aterminal, it will guide you throgu it
[07:58] <ivoks> and run sudo pppoeconf in it
[07:58] <netsniper> Lafitte-, i never tried it -- cuz k3b is always working great
[07:58] <sushiboo> ivoks, thanks.
[07:58] <netsniper> Lafitte-, let me know if gnome-baker has more features
[07:59] <ivoks> netsniper it doesn't
[07:59] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  ok     sofar   gnomebaker looks a bit plain
[07:59] <netsniper> ivoks, dindt think so
[07:59] <ivoks> netsniper k3b is much better... but gnomebaker will be better as time passes
[07:59] <linux_galore> yeah K3B is pretty hard to beat..... Ive got 0.12 of cvs so i can do dual layer DVD's
[07:59] <netsniper> Lafitte-, k3b will even to DVD and movie encoding
[07:59] <ivoks> gnome doesn't have good burning app
[08:00] <netsniper> hehe yea
[08:00] <ivoks> but for fast to do CD's, gnomebaker is fine
[08:00] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  yeah  same for gnomebaker
[08:00] <linux_galore> theres actually a really nice DVD ripper called  DVD rippomatic  creates xvid divx rips with a few clicks of the mouse
[08:00] <netsniper> if you got an iso though, in hoary just right click and "Burn ISO Image"
[08:00] <ivoks> i know
[08:01] <Lafitte-> i want to know why some apt-get files  need to come off install cd
[08:01] <Lafitte-> why i couldnt get k3b from the web
[08:01] <netsniper> Lafitte-, remove first line of /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:01] <netsniper> should be something about CD
[08:01] <linux_galore> Lafitte-: have you updated yet if not all apt knows about is whats on the CD's
[08:02] <Lafitte-> yes i have
[08:02] <netsniper> Lafitte-, then do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install k3b"
[08:02] <ivoks> Lafitte- then web has same version as you
[08:02] <ivoks> Lafitte- and there is no need to download same thing from net, when u have it on cd
[08:03] <Lafitte-> thats worked
[08:03] <ivoks> linux_galore try acidrip
[08:03] <Lafitte-> i ## out the cd line :)
[08:03] <Predius> Oh, Thirsteh, I just remembered, the NSA must run Linux.
[08:03] <Predius> Thirsteh, they give a special super secure kernel, I think,
[08:04] <Thirsteh> Predius, xD
[08:04] <Predius> =D
[08:04] <Predius> G'Night, all.
[08:04] <Thirsteh> nn
[08:05] <loren> how long has ubuntu been around?
[08:05] <netsniper> Predius, they run mostly Windows in fact :-)
[08:05] <linux_galore> ivoks: will do
[08:06] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  k3b looks way better
[08:06] <netsniper> i know
[08:06] <ivoks> loren one year
[08:06] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  wierd it didnt grab cdrdao file during install though
[08:06] <loren> ivoks: wow, thanks for the info, i'm impressed at it's size after only one year
[08:06] <Lafitte-> didnt grab dependencies
[08:06] <netsniper> Lafitte-, yes -- just do it manually
[08:07] <ivoks> loren it has great base to do development
[08:07] <FunnyLookinHat> anyone know why graveman would give an error "null source found" or something when I click to burn an audio CD?
[08:07] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  i did   hehe
[08:07] <FunnyLookinHat> it finds my burner drive fine and all
[08:07] <netsniper> loren, ubuntu tried to fool everyone by starting at version 4!
[08:07] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  ive looked in both  gnomebaker not as good,  has same features   but not as user friendly
[08:07] <ivoks> netsniper lol not quite....
[08:08] <loren> netsniper: rofl hahah, i was wondering lol, i wonder what they were up to ;)
[08:08] <loren> 2004?
[08:08] <ivoks> yes
[08:08] <loren> version 4
[08:08] <loren> ah
[08:08] <ivoks> 4 is for 2004
[08:08] <ivoks> 5.04 means - 2004, may
[08:08] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  k3b seems very simular to nero burning rom
[08:08] <loren> ivoks: wouldn't that mean that it should be v5.5 right now then?
[08:08] <ivoks> 2005, may :)
[08:08] <netsniper> it all seems like a nice marketing trick!
[08:08] <ivoks> fuck...
[08:08] <ivoks> :))
[08:08] <ivoks> sorry for language!!
[08:08] <FunnyLookinHat> hey now.
[08:08] <FunnyLookinHat> yea.
[08:09] <netsniper> what happens when we get to 3000?
[08:09] <ivoks> 2005.4 is 2005., april
[08:09] <loren> lol i seriously doubt you could say something that we havn't heard lol
[08:09] <linux_galore> you can get nero for linux
[08:09] <ivoks> netsniper i don't care :)
[08:09] <FunnyLookinHat> linux_galore, seriously?  free?
[08:09] <linux_galore> very ugly next to K3B though
[08:09] <netsniper> linux_galore, yes but why?!?!
[08:09] <linux_galore> FunnyLookinHat: yes
[08:09] <bdmp> Anyone know what is the wifi manager in gnome?
[08:09] <FunnyLookinHat> linux_galore, sweet... checkin packages now
[08:09] <Flav> 02:08 [ ivoks]  5.04 means - 2004, may
[08:09] <Flav> 02:09 [ ivoks]  2005.4 is 2005., april
[08:09] <linux_galore> netsniper: thats what im saying nero is damn ugly
[08:09] <bdmp> Or where it is?
[08:09] <ivoks> bdmp hm... you need wifi-manager?
[08:09] <loren> i always come in here... it's dead, and bamn it comes to life lol
[08:10] <FunnyLookinHat> blast, no nero package...  to the google i go.
[08:10] <Thirsteh> bdmp, wireless network manager/intrusion detecter, I think
[08:10] <bdmp> ivoks: how do i know if the wifi is up?
[08:10] <ivoks> bdmp there is one in netwok-admin, but I packaged one nices app
[08:10] <ivoks> bdmp run iwconfig in terminal
[08:10] <netsniper> so now that i have helped everyone else, anyone know how to change association for "ed2k://" links?
[08:10] <g14> bdmp: Use synaptic and search for netapplet
[08:10] <g14> Install it
[08:10] <netsniper> i want to set to aMule
[08:11] <IIIEars> FunnyLookinHat - linux Nero is free if you have purchased Nero
[08:11] <loren> netsniper: no idea lol, that'd be something i'd like looking into though actually
[08:11] <linux_galore> http://www.torrentspy.com/search.asp?query=nero+linux&submit.x=0&submit.y=0
[08:11] <ivoks> IIIEars doesn't sound free to me :)
[08:11] <linux_galore> for those desperate for nero
[08:11] <IIIEars> k3b works fine for me. (shrug)
[08:11] <netsniper> loren, it is very easy in KDE's File Association Manager
[08:11] <loren> netsniper: there's prolly a config file somewhere and it somehow conencts to Konqueror
[08:11] <g14> bdmp, then right click on your panel and select add. After that, find Network Selection and Monitoring Applet. That will let you know about wireless
[08:11] <loren> ah
[08:11] <Thirsteh> k3b is just as good as Nero in my opinion
[08:11] <hardcampa-> but k3b uses qt =(
[08:11] <linux_galore> K3B is so way way better than nero its not funny
[08:12] <hardcampa-> not
[08:12] <ivoks> hardcampa- lol, and nero uses wine - even slower :)
[08:12] <hardcampa-> not linux nero
[08:12] <IIIEars> hardcampa - can you point me to a page on mounting disk images?
[08:12] <netsniper> loren, no i mean that it does not asscaite with aMule!
[08:12] <linux_galore> the problem was when K3B project was started GTK was pretty broken compared to QT at the time
[08:12] <Lafitte-> netsniper, how do i get the screen back in k3b    the one wher eyou choose the task ?
[08:12] <hardcampa-> IIIEars why me =)
[08:12] <IIIEars> never mind i found it.
[08:13] <netsniper> Lafitte-, ????  just minimize the app or close it?
[08:13] <IIIEars> << just too lazy?
[08:13] <hardcampa-> =)
[08:13] <Lafitte-> i did either   im not sure
[08:13] <g14> gnome was started because the QT libs weren't always gpl
[08:13] <ivoks> g14 no :)
[08:13] <Seq> does anybody else seem to have a problem with rather slow cd rips with sound juicer?
[08:14] <linux_galore> well QT stripped the free windows version because people were abusing the license in windows its stayed GPL in Linux
[08:14] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  but i lost the first page  hehe
[08:14] <ivoks> g14 gnome didn't started because QT wasn't free
[08:14] <netsniper> Lafitte-, first page?
[08:14] <g14> ivoks, Thats what I heard in an interview with Miguel.
[08:14] <ermanox_> I have slow cd rips with grip lame and sound juicer
[08:14] <ivoks> g14 lol
[08:14] <Seq> g14: it's what I've read as well
[08:14] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  where you choose what kind of disk you are making
[08:14] <ivoks> g14 gnome was on linux distros before kde
[08:15] <g14> ivoks, He also started a company around it... ximian
[08:15] <linux_galore> ermanox: yeah but check the bittrate........if you want fast rips lower the bittrate
[08:15] <ivoks> but ok, miguel knows better, because he started it :)
[08:15] <ermanox_> ok
[08:15] <netsniper> Lafitte-, just say File -> New Project
[08:15] <linux_galore> ermanoxgrip defaults to the highest it can do on your machine
[08:15] <linux_galore> grr
[08:15] <linux_galore> ermanox: grip defaults to the highest it can do on your machine
[08:16] <ivoks> bye
[08:16] <IIIEars> G'nite
[08:16] <linux_galore> ermanoxm: means you have really good rips but at the same time its slow
[08:16] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  yeah    the screen i lost was nice though
[08:16] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  ill have to reinstall the program  to fix it maybe
[08:17] <netsniper> Lafitte-, no
[08:17] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  i think called project toolbar
[08:17] <linux_galore> most windows rippers ive seen default to 128k rips
[08:17] <linux_galore> grip Ive found will happily do a 200k+ rip
[08:17] <IIIEars> CDEX is a bit faster
[08:17] <netsniper> Lafitte-, check undr Settings
[08:18] <netsniper> Lafitte-, every gui thing is configurable under there
[08:18] <bdmp> ivoks: where is network-admin ?
[08:18] <linux_galore> <-- has a cluster so ripping a whole load of cd's isnt a hassle
[08:18] <IIIEars> (Drool)
[08:18] <Lafitte-> netsniper,   yeah   but the initial one is not for sme reason    i blew it
[08:18] <netsniper> Lafitte-, what did it say?
[08:19] <netsniper> Lafitte-, was it blue?
[08:19] <netsniper> Lafitte-, mine is Settings -> Show Project View
[08:20] <Lafitte-> it was the box at bottom  had icons like  new copy cd project  or new audio cd  or new data cd
[08:20] <linux_galore> actually making a cluster is pretty cheap with Linux.........you can grab second hand PA-RISC or ARM servers for next to nothing at an auction.....grabbed a whole pile of HP terminals for $5 ea
[08:20] <bdmp> g14: i can't find netapplet with synaptic
[08:20] <netsniper> Lafitte-, yes that is Show Project View uner the Settings Menu
[08:20] <IIIEars> hm
[08:20] <Lafitte-> netsniper,   i got it  i had to remove the other box which was above it  then add that back
[08:21] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  actually  glitch in software
[08:21] <netsniper> Lafitte-, :-)
[08:21] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  hehe
[08:21] <linux_galore> 28 node PA-RISC cluster for less than $130
[08:21] <Lafitte-> the blue box makes it look nice
[08:21] <bdmp> g14: also that path you gave me is not there. any suggestions?
[08:21] <netsniper> Lafitte-, yea
[08:21] <ivoks> hm..
[08:21] <linux_galore> each machine has a small 4.7gb scsi hardisk in it
[08:22] <IIIEars> my wife would kill me. - i'd buy her earplugs to cover the sound of all thse wirring fans.
[08:22] <netsniper> IIIEars, ever try a fanless computer?
[08:22] <g14> bdmp, you need to enable the universe and multiverse repositories in synaptic. goodnight for real this time
[08:23] <sushiboo> hello, everyone. can anyone do me a small favor right now? I'm running Windows Xp and just need someone to tell me whether "sudo pppoeconf" from the terminal works from HH 5.04 (or only from the Live CD)?
[08:23] <bdmp> g14: thanks. sorry, didn't know you were sleeping.
[08:23] <IIIEars> sounds good - what brand - looks like ebay to the rescue
[08:23] <ermanox_> anyone using/or try mini-ati systems
[08:23] <linux_galore> one small fan per node and each node is tiny and the fans dont always run...... the nodes are small terminal box's about 2" wide and 4" long
[08:23] <netsniper> sushiboo, it works, i tired it
[08:23] <sushiboo> okay, thanks.
[08:23] <netsniper> IIIEars, ebay sucks -- build yer own!
[08:23] <stuNNed> if i create custom firewall rules with iptables-save how to get it to come up at boot?
[08:23] <linux_galore> auctions ie "real" ones are cool....goto ex gov auctions
[08:24] <netsniper> stuNNed, you ever try Firestarter gui?
[08:24] <stuNNed> netsniper: yes, i don't need that much functionality, only have one rule
[08:24] <netsniper> stuNNed, hehe
[08:25] <linux_galore> stuNNed: setup firestarter and replace the firewall.sh script that firestarter loads with your iptables script
[08:25] <IIIEars> With shorewall+webmin what do you install first?
[08:25] <linux_galore> stuNNed: when you start your machine firestarter init script runs the firestarter.sh  script
[08:26] <linux_galore> stuNNed: just replace it with your own
[08:26] <IIIEars> that sounds easy
[08:27] <fortran01> Do you have ideas how I can rip my dvd and convert to vcd?
[08:27] <netsniper> fortran01, acidrip
[08:28] <fortran01> thanks netsniper
[08:28] <netsniper> http://untrepid.com/acidrip/
[08:29] <linux_galore> http://quickrip.sf.net/
[08:30] <Thirsteh> fortran01, www.ubuntuguide.org -> dvd::rip section
[08:30] <netsniper> linux_galore, seems it is knida dead?
[08:30] <linux_galore> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=9884
[08:31] <Thirsteh> IIIEars, you install Shorewall first, then Webmin in which you can configure your Shorewall easily
[08:31] <linux_galore> netsniper: yeah its changed name trying the find the new name....its called DVD rippomatic now
[08:31] <Thirsteh> IIIEars, Webmin is a webserver that you log onto and you can configure many parts of your Linux system and its servers, including Samba, NFS, iptables, Shorewall, FTP servers, etc. I love it :)
[08:32] <Flav> where's the right place to find security advisories for ubuntu?
[08:33] <zerokarmaleft> Flav, either the forum or the ubuntu-security-announce ml
[08:33] <ivoks> Flav changelog of package
[08:33] <IIIEars> Thirsteh - Thanks
[08:34] <ivoks> Flav go to /usr/share/doc/libgnutls11/
[08:34] <linux_galore> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23843
[08:34] <ivoks> Flav and checkout changelo
[08:34] <ivoks> Flav and checkout changelog
[08:34] <linux_galore> thats a mpeg to vcd converter
[08:35] <Flav> ivoks: cool, thanks - i was kind of hoping for something like http://security.debian.org/ with an online listing, but the changelog works nicely
[08:35] <Flav> http://security.ubuntu.com/ isn't quite as nice :)
[08:35] <ivoks> Flav all packages have changelogs
[08:35] <Flav> well, at least for non-subversion purposes :)
[08:35] <ivoks> Flav changelog.Debian.gz is the one you need
[08:36] <Flav> ivoks: right, but i have to install the update to see that changelog, right?  an online one makes it easier to tell whether i need to install the package or not
[08:36] <netsniper> Thirsteh, transcode fails to install for dvdrip!
[08:36] <linux_galore> yeah heres the kde fstab editor I was trying to remember earlier for newbies
[08:36] <linux_galore> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=15185
[08:36] <ivoks> Flav true
[08:36] <netsniper> Thirsteh, "package transcode has no installation candidate"
[08:36] <Flav> ivoks: yeah, the fix is for CAN-2005-1431
[08:37] <ivoks> i think there is some on-line repo of changes
[08:37] <Flav> ah, nice - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/errorreferencefolder_view
[08:38] <ivoks> yes, that's it
[08:38] <Flav> security fixes released on friday the 13th are always going to make some subset of people nervous :)
[08:39] <ivoks> Flav you can subscribe to bugtraq
[08:39] <ivoks> Flav you'll get changes mailed to you :)
[08:39] <amaro> Hey, why is firefox in ubuntu still in version 1.02?
[08:39] <Flav> ivoks: unsub'd from that quite awhile back, too much noise relative to the small set of things i care about :)
[08:40] <loren> dunno lol
[08:40] <loren> i installed 1.03 to use the new cool themes
[08:40] <loren> but erm dunno
[08:40] <ivoks> Flav filter it
[08:40] <ivoks> Flav you can choose what mails you want
[08:40] <Flav> 1.04 is a security fix, everyone should get it or risk certain death and dismemberment, not necessarily in that order
[08:40] <ivoks> Flav not quite
[08:41] <amaro> Flav, but I just went to update manager
[08:41] <ivoks> ubuntu's 1.0.2 is patched will all sec. fixes
[08:41] <amaro> and there was a an update for firefox 1.02ubuntu
[08:41] <raghu> can anyone tell me best three mail servers?
[08:41] <ivoks> amaro install it
[08:41] <amaro> so 1.02ubuntu is actually 1.04?
[08:41] <Flav> raghu: postfix, postfix, and postfix
[08:41] <ivoks> raghu postfix, qmail, sendmail
[08:41] <netsniper> amaro, yes they ar ebackports
[08:41] <raghu> ivoks: thanks
[08:41] <ivoks> raghu in that order :)
[08:42] <ivoks> amaro yes, and there is a problem now..
[08:42] <amaro> ivoks, what's the problem?
[08:42] <raghu> Flav: thanks you are follower of postfix fromm heart and soul i guess...:)
[08:42] <ivoks> amaro mozilla filters extensions by version string
[08:42] <ivoks> amaro you have version string 1.0.2, but you have all security fixes
[08:43] <amaro> aaah
[08:43] <amaro> ok
[08:43] <amaro> then im good to go
[08:43] <amaro> Im safe
[08:43] <ivoks> amaro but mozilla will not let you download extensions and themes
[08:43] <linux_galore> here we are the home page for DVD rippomatic -> http://pingwing.xs4all.nl/view.php/page/Voorpagina
[08:43] <amaro> ivoks, that will be fixed soon, eh?
[08:44] <ivoks> this is know issue, bug has been reported and fix will be given
[08:44] <amaro> great, thank you
[08:44] <ivoks> bye all
[08:44] <linux_galore> images of dvd ripomatic -> http://pingwing.xs4all.nl/view.php/page/DVDRipOMatic
[08:44] <TheKark> ugh, i just installed kde...
[08:45] <TheKark> god it's ugly
[08:45] <linux_galore> TheKark: www.kdelook.org  the default is ugly but everything can be changed
[08:46] <TheKark> i know, but hey i could not see any links for home folder or such, and automounting wasn't working?
[08:47] <TheKark> linux_galore: Is there a .deb for dvd ripomatic?
[08:47] <linux_galore> TheKark: yeah the Ubuntu version of KDE is pretty rustic next to lets say SuSE or Mandriva
[08:47] <Cybermagellan> Can someone tell me what they think of this button http://68.231.152.140:8080/?q=node/3
[08:47] <linux_galore> TheKark: shrug i compiled mine
[08:47] <TheKark> linux_galore: does it work well?
[08:47] <linux_galore> TheKark: works ok found a few minor bugs but nothing to worry about
[08:48] <keymaster> Cybermagellan: very nice.
[08:50] <TheKark> linux_galore: this seems like a kde app...
[08:50] <linux_galore> Cybern: nice but the logo needs a few pixels spare around the border
[08:50] <linux_galore> TheKark: it is
[08:50] <DragoonJ> Hi
[08:50] <TheKark> linux_galore: hmm
[08:50] <keymaster> that's true, the ubuntu icon extends all the way to the edge of the button, there should be a little space between
[08:50] <Thirsteh> linux_galore, well, the way I get it, Kubuntu is the "alternative", not the "real thing" ... :S
[08:51] <IIIEars> anyone adventurous enough to have tried "LIDS" Linux Intrusion Detection System?
[08:51] <linux_galore> Thirsteh: yes but KDE is still the most prefered desktop so saying Ubuntu is GTK only is a bit dumb from a corp point of view and a community point of view
[08:52] <keymaster> IIIEars: what does it do?
[08:52] <TheKark> it is nice to have both to choose from
[08:52] <fortran01> Do you have other ideas how I can rip my dvd and convert to vcd? apparently acidrip doesn't work because my mplayer was not compiled with lame support.
[08:52] <TheKark> but kde needs setting up
[08:52] <IIIEars> It sets tighter controls on file access
[08:53] <TheKark> fortran01: check out dvd::rop
[08:53] <Thirsteh> linux_galore, that's why they created Kubuntu, but you can't expect that Kubuntu is 100% like Ubuntu, when Ubuntu is the main project
[08:53] <TheKark> fortran01: dvd::rip*
[08:53] <IIIEars> http://infosecuritymag.techtarget.com/2003/apr/linuxguru.shtml
[08:53] <keymaster> hmm, haven't tried it
[08:53] <Cybermagellan> My only problem with KDE...is the fact that it's just Windows with different apps and logos
[08:53] <Klaas> hi @ all
[08:53] <TheKark> I can't really compare
[08:54] <Klaas> jamesio still here?
[08:54] <TheKark> Haven't used kde enough to say if its good or not
[08:54] <linux_galore> Thirsteh: Im very familair with kde's underside doesnt matter what distro you give me i totally change kde into a different beast.....I dont even use the kicker task bar I use KXdocker....KXdocker works 95% like OSX's docker even has the animations
[08:54] <IIIEars> Aw hell - no install lasts forever - found a new toy. - see you in a bit.
[08:54] <keymaster> hehe
[08:54] <BBurger> Cybermagellan: like the button. have already borrowed it! would like to have smaller images available too
[08:54] <IIIEars> G'nite
[08:55] <linux_galore> Thirsteh: people see my Kubuntu install and wonder how I got OSX running on a IBM T23 laptop
[08:55] <TheKark> hmm, maybe i'll try suse some day
[08:55] <linux_galore> heh heh
[08:56] <Cybermagellan> BBurger...smaller as well....
[08:56] <goofrider_> weeeeeeee
[08:56] <linux_galore> got a pic here of my desktop see if i can grab it of the web
[08:56] <Cybermagellan> Ok, lemme see if I can get it smaller and still decent looking
[08:56] <keymaster> linux_galore: sorry, newbie question.  how do you get the osx-type desktop on ubuntu?
[08:56] <loren> anyone haveing any jack problems on their box?
[08:57] <goofrider_> keymaster, an aqua theme for Gnome? or a new Window Manager like xfce4?
[08:57] <TheKark> send a link linux_galore
[08:57] <keymaster> are you telling me or asking me?
[08:58] <keymaster> I don't know the answer
[08:58] <TheKark> goofrider_: check http://www.gnome-look.org/
[08:58] <goofrider_> keymaster, well i'm asking u what u'r looking for specifically so maybe I can help u find it
[08:58] <TheKark> i think there is one
[08:58] <keymaster> oh, well I'll take a look at this gnome-look website and see if it's on there
[08:59] <goofrider_> keymaster, I use deviantart.com for all my themes (gnome, XP, firefox, windowbinds, etc)
[08:59] <amaro> I have no idea how my 3.8 gig partition got filled up so quickly.. something is wrong...  how can I find out what's been taking a lot of space?
[08:59] <keymaster> I'm looking for that desktop that looks like OS X that VIDA Linux comes installed with
[08:59] <keymaster> oh that's cool
[09:00] <goofrider_> keymaster, that's a nice theme @ Vida. Vida uses Gnome 2.8 apparently
[09:00] <goofrider_> so i'ts not some special wndow manager at least
[09:01] <keymaster> so it's just a gnome theme?
[09:01] <bluemax> hey, when i right-click on my desktop, and that menu comes up, is that menu part of gnome or nautilus or something else entirely?
[09:01] <Burgundavia> bluemax, gnome
[09:01] <TheKark> i think nautilus...
[09:01] <goofrider_> keymaster, yes. I'm trying to figure out what the name of the theme is
[09:01] <goofrider_> they probably custom-made it though
[09:01] <keymaster> cool, thanks goofrider
[09:02] <Klaas> HI, this is the first time on ubuntu, just received an email from a friend with a movie in, .wmv, and he also gave me a song on .mp3
[09:02] <keymaster> yeah, that makes sense
[09:02] <linux_galore> kde fully themed up -> http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/10955-1.jpg
[09:02] <Klaas> but I cant open those two
[09:02] <TheKark> i remember opening nautilus without the --no-desktop thing in XFCE and it became the backgound
[09:02] <linux_galore> thats with Kxdocker docking bar
[09:02] <bluemax> Burgundavia: ok... what's a good window manager that would allow me to customize my own desktop right-click menu, including colors and borders of that menu?
[09:02] <TheKark> Klaas: check out the w32codecs
[09:02] <ablyss> takes a little work to play wmv files
[09:02] <Burgundavia> bluemax, no idea
[09:02] <Klaas> okje, i'll google for w32codecs
[09:03] <bluemax> does anyone else know? the only wm i know of that can do that for sure is fluxbox...
[09:03] <DragoonJ> Gigaset USB Adapter 11 <---- does this work in ubuntu?
[09:03] <ablyss> and only wmv version 9> are supported
[09:03] <Lafitte-> Klaas, hey   check this out
[09:03] <Thirsteh> Klaas, you can get win32codecs from the mirrors displayed on www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:03] <TheKark> Klaas: check out http://ubuntuguide.org
[09:03] <goofrider_> keymaster, the dock they have is just the xfce dock
[09:03] <Thirsteh> goofrider, where do you find gnome themes on deviantart?
[09:04] <keymaster> bluemax, doesn't xfce let you do that?
[09:04] <Klaas> thanks
[09:04] <goofrider_> keymaster, if u like the dock, try the xfce4 window manager
[09:04] <Lafitte-> Klaas, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[09:04] <TheKark> linux_galore: wow amazing
[09:04] <Klaas> okej, i'll check that out, thank you
[09:04] <Lafitte-> Klaas,  go to the page i gave you   it has all the commands cut and paste to add everything you are missing
[09:04] <ablyss> xfce has no desktop per se.. but a background image and a right click menu
[09:04] <bluemax> keymaster: i'll look into that
[09:04] <keymaster> hmm, ok goofrider I'll try it, thanks for finding that for me.  I actually did look and I couldn't find it
[09:05] <DragoonJ> Gigaset USB Adapter 11 <---- does this work in ubuntu?
[09:05] <ablyss> sort of stupid if you ask me why xfce uses $HOME/Desktop/autostart
[09:05] <goofrider_> Klaas, use backports.ubuntuforums.org for w32codecs, don't use Marilat (as recommended by ubuntuguide.org)
[09:06] <ablyss> why not put the folder in $Home directory? xfce hello earth to xfce
[09:06] <goofrider_> ablyss, well there's the xfce dock
[09:06] <Klaas> thakns goofrider
[09:06] <Klaas> thanks I mean
[09:06] <goofrider_> Thirsteh, use the filter menu to narow your search
[09:06] <DragoonJ> http://communications.siemens.com/cds/frontdoor/0,2241,hq_en_0_15716_rArNrNrNrN_pageType%253ADescription,00.html
[09:07] <Lafitte-> goofrider,  it all worked for me
[09:07] <TheKark> god dialup blows
[09:07] <DragoonJ> does that work on/in ubuntu
[09:07] <goofrider_> Lafitte-, yeah but Marillat's repo can break the system. It comes with too many core libs
[09:08] <TheKark> i really like XFCE
[09:08] <goofrider_> ablyss, what file manger do u use with xfce?
[09:08] <ablyss> i enjoy rox better tham xffm
[09:08] <goofrider_> ablyss, not sure if I can stand ROX
[09:08] <ablyss> was little awkward for me at first but real snappy i like that
[09:09] <goofrider_> ablyss, but Nautilius will take over the desktop when run in xfce, and Konqueror is, well, kinda pointless to use xfce if I use Konqueror as a file manager....
[09:09] <bluemax> is xfce's customization of panels pretty extensive?
[09:09] <TheKark> nautilus --no-desktop
[09:09] <TheKark> owns
[09:09] <ivoks> goofrider nautilus --no-desktop
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[09:09] <ablyss> shit
[09:09] <TheKark> hahaha
[09:09] <ablyss> stupid clipboard
[09:09] <goofrider_> bluemax, it's comparable to Gnome
[09:09] <TheKark> i hate that
[09:10] <goofrider_> TheKark, ivoks thanks I'll try that
[09:10] <bluemax> ok, thanks...
[09:10] <goofrider_> xfce is gr8 over remote X
[09:10] <ablyss> you can run nautlis w/. out starting the desktop by typing nautilus -no--desktop
[09:10] <Cybermagellan> BBurger, refresh the page....smaller?
[09:10] <Klaas> ohh god, i don't understand anything on backports.ubuntu :s
[09:10] <goofrider_> Gnome isn't too slow over remote X but xfce is quite a bit  faster. KDE over remote X is awful though
[09:11] <goofrider_> TheKark nautilus --no-desktop    ivoks goofrider nautilus --no-desktop    ablyss you can run nautlis w/. out starting the desktop by typing nautilus -no--desktop
[09:11] <goofrider_> yes i got it thanks guys :)
[09:11] <Cybermagellan> I have to go to bed....if anyone wants me to do a type of "special request" banner or button then send me an E-mail SchristopherAZ@gmail.com
[09:11] <goofrider_> boviously I'm a fucktard  LOL
[09:12] <bluemax> i'm looking to switch to another window manager, but i just don't know which one. i really want something where i can customize *everything* but is fast and at least semi-user friendly
[09:12] <goofrider_> bluemax, xfce or fluxbox
[09:12] <ivoks> fluxbox isn't that fast...
[09:12] <ivoks> it loads longer than xfce :)
[09:12] <TheKark> fluxbox is sooo slow
[09:13] <TheKark> 10 min to load up
[09:13] <bluemax> hmmm i think i'll try out xfce first
[09:13] <keymaster> Cybermagellan have you designed any bumper stickers?
[09:13] <TheKark> so much eye candy though
[09:13] <TheKark> :)
[09:13] <ivoks> even gnome is better
[09:13] <goofrider_> so I guess the consensus is xfce is the fastest and friendliest
[09:13] <ivoks> goofrider i don't think so
[09:13] <TheKark> yup
[09:13] <ivoks> xfce is copy of something really good
[09:13] <goofrider_> well then what?
[09:13] <Vjaz> bluemax: FVWM lets you customize *everything* [tm] 
[09:13] <ablyss> friendliest imho is nautilus ( at least on ubuntu )
[09:13] <goofrider_> icewm?
[09:14] <TheKark> i tried a bunch of others icewm, blackbox, fluxbox
[09:14] <Thirsteh> Ughhhh!
[09:14] <ablyss> assuming you're using the ubuntu non kde version
[09:14] <TheKark> xfce is more friendly that the ones I listed off
[09:14] <Vjaz> bluemax: Meaning it's not much anything by default. But with a little work...
[09:14] <ivoks> blackbox is ok
[09:14] <Vjaz> bluemax: Or a lot of work...
[09:15] <ivoks> or openbox
[09:15] <ivoks> but fluxbox...
[09:15] <ivoks> omg
[09:15] <ablyss> xfce is the craps for smb4k file transfers.. only thing i've got work is xffm and its to goofy.. but nautilus behaves a little better
[09:15] <bluemax> vjaz: thanks i'll check that one out too
[09:15] <ivoks> one wm to rule them all - wmaker
[09:15] <Lafitte-> sudo apt-get install w32codecs   doesnt this work ?
[09:16] <bluemax> but gnome is just too limiting for my artistic needs :)
[09:16] <amaro> a lot of the /usr/lib/ files are taking a whopping 1 gig
[09:16] <goofrider_> ablyss, nautilus is just the file manager. The default desktop environment is gnome in ubuntu
[09:16] <HappyFool> Lafitte-: you probably need to set up what repositories to use
[09:17] <goofrider_> ablyss, and if u run xmb4k in xfce, u'r still using KDE's kio vfs for file xfer. xfce doesn't have it's own vfs API
[09:17] <HappyFool> Lafitte-: try http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats or http://ubuntuguide.org
[09:17] <ablyss> hehe
[09:17] <ablyss> wmaker is pretty nice
[09:17] <ablyss> er, smb* smb4k is a kde proggy if i remember correclty
[09:17] <goofrider_> ablyss, just #mount -t smbfs your remote share and u bypass vfs altogther
[09:17] <jeffco> hello
[09:18] <jeffco> I just installed Ubuntu onto my PC. How do I update the software?
[09:18] <goofrider_> jeffco, use synaptic
[09:18] <ablyss> i think my ISP burped
[09:20] <jeffco> is there a way to have synaptic check ALL software for any updates?
[09:21] <goofrider_> jeffco, mark all upgrades, then apply
[09:24] <BBurger> Cybermagellan: sorry, was away from comp. for a mo. repost URL pls?
[09:25] <jeffco> according to http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/, the latest version for linux is 1.0.4, but according to synaptic, the latest version is 1.0.2 ubuntu?
[09:25] <jeffco> Why the difference?
[09:26] <jeffco> hello?
[09:27] <HappyFool> firefox won't be updated, but security fixes will be back-ported
[09:27] <BBurger> Cybermagellan: never mind, had bookmarked. like the smaller version!
[09:27] <jeffco> happyfool, what do you mean?
[09:27] <HappyFool> so the 1.0.2 in ubuntu-hoary 1.0.2 + all security fixes available
[09:27] <jeffco> but according to firefox website, the latest version is 1.0.4.
[09:28] <HappyFool> yes, in hoary it won't be upgraded to 1.0.4
[09:28] <HappyFool> it was 1.0.2 when hoary froze
[09:28] <HappyFool> when breezy is released (in october?) the version number will bump up, to whatever is available at freeze time
[09:28] <jeffco> So you mean it won't work if I try to download 1.0.4 from firefox's website?
[09:29] <goofrider_> jeffco, add hoary-packports to your sources.list
[09:29] <HappyFool> it probably will
[09:29] <jeffco> how do i do that?
[09:29] <goofrider_> jeffco, there's a firefox 1.0.3 in backports
[09:29] <jeffco> what's backports/packports?
[09:29] <goofrider_> jeffco, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ there's insrtuctions there
[09:29] <tritium> goofrider, but as HappyFool is saying, security fixes are backported into the version in Hoary
[09:29] <jeffco> SOrry, it's my first day on ubuntu.
[09:29] <tritium> No need for the backports repo
[09:29] <ivoks> tritium there is, acctually
[09:29] <goofrider_> tritium, oh is it ion hoary-security? my bad.
[09:29] <Chameleon22> how can i change my monitor settings ... just got a new monitor so need to make refresh and res higher and dont know how
[09:30] <tritium> goofrider, yes
[09:30] <ivoks> tritium try to download extensions/themes with any ubuntu firefox
[09:30] <goofrider_> jeffco, u still need to uncomment hoary-security in your sources.list
[09:30] <HappyFool> tritium: is this policy outlined anywhere on the website/wiki? it's certainly a FAQ (especially for firefox, for some reason)
[09:30] <tritium> e.g., apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox shows 1.0.2-0ubuntu5.2 is from hoary-security
[09:31] <ivoks> HappyFool ?
[09:31] <tritium> HappyFool, not that I'm aware of...
[09:31] <jeffco> goofrider_, how do I uncomment hoary-security in your sources.list?
[09:32] <nubious> does anyone know if it's possible to install KDE into ubuntu without redloading the kubuntu distro?
[09:32] <goofrider_> it's in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:32] <nubious> I run Hoary
[09:32] <goofrider_> nubious, apt-ger install kunutu-desktop
[09:32] <nubious> cool
[09:32] <jeffco> please explain. yesterday, i was on WinXP. Today I'm on Ubuntu. It's my first day on Ubuntu.
[09:32] <goofrider_> nubious, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:32] <nubious> yeh.. sudo
[09:32] <tritium> jeffco, we're glad you've tried it :)
[09:32] <nubious> thx tho :)
[09:33] <nubious> sweet
[09:33] <nubious> in the works
[09:33] <HappyFool> can't one use synaptic to do all that?
[09:33] <goofrider_> jeffco, use gedit to open the file /etc/apt/spurces.list/
[09:33] <nubious> HappyFool: synaptic doesn't have EVERYTHING listed, I dont think.. could be wrong tho
[09:33] <goofrider_> jeffco, use gedit to open the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:33] <jeffco> tritium, i like the look of ubuntu. actually, it was practically my only choice, since I have no cd-burner (only a cd-rom reader) and Ubuntu sent me the disc today!!!
[09:33] <tritium> jeffco, nice!
[09:33] <nubious> jeffco: you can dload almost any distro from the net..  that assume you have highspeed though
[09:33] <jeffco> goodbye winXp.
[09:34] <jeffco> i can download, but i can't burn!
[09:34] <goofrider_> jeffco, or maybe u can add it in Synaptic using the Repositories menu item
[09:34] <goofrider_> I'm on an XP box (at a friend's house) so I can't confirm
[09:34] <HappyFool> well, under synaptic, Settings -> Repositories ->Add, there's a nice looking dialog box ;)
[09:34] <goofrider_> HappyFool, well but u can't see the **commented out** hoary-secuirty line, AFAIK
[09:35] <jeffco> once I'm on a linux OS, is it possible to try out other distros without burning them onto a CD? IOW, is it possible to install other distros purely from HD?
[09:35] <goofrider_>  the "custom" button might have hoary-secuirty built-in as an option though
[09:35] <nubious> jeffco: you could check out "vm-ware" - although I just clued into your burner problem.. dloading the distro would assume you have a burner.. you could maybe do a network install though
[09:35] <ivoks> jeffco yes
[09:35] <ivoks> jeffco vm-ware
[09:35] <goofrider_> jeffco, u cn, but probably not a good idea for nrecomers. it can be itimidating
[09:35] <shinu> anyone using adblock in firefox here? (i asked on #firefox and #mozilla the other day but they were dead)
[09:36] <ivoks> nubious vm ware can boot from .iso image
[09:36] <goofrider_> ivoks, nah, I'm thinking debootstrap
[09:36] <jeffco> what's intimidating?
[09:36] <Muiske> Hello all... I have a question regarding the screen resolution and refresh rate of Ubuntu / Gnome. I have edited the xorg.conf file to add resolutions and refresh rates up to 1600x1200@75 Hz (something my monitor could easily handle) but whenever I change the resolution over 1024, the refresh rate gets stuck at 60 Hz... What should I do to change this? At least 85 Hz at 1200 should be great.
[09:36] <nubious> ivoks: true.. I was thinking if he decided to make the full switch tho
[09:36] <ivoks> goofrider he's newebie
[09:36] <jeffco> nubious, full switch from what to what?
[09:36] <HappyFool> jeffco: are you running synaptic?
[09:36] <goofrider_> vmware i $400
[09:36] <goofrider_> vmware is $300
[09:37] <goofrider_> or something
[09:37] <jeffco> what do you mean running synaptic?
[09:37] <goofrider_> though there's a eo-day trial
[09:37] <keymaster> thanks again for all the help goofrider
[09:37] <keymaster> later
[09:37] <jeffco> I just installed ubunto onto my pc an hour ago, so everything is new for me.
[09:37] <goofrider_> keymaster, did I help? well then u'r welcome  LOL
[09:37] <keymaster> hehe
[09:37] <HappyFool> it's the graphical ubuntu package manager
[09:37] <nubious> jeffco: well say you download vmware to try another distro, and decide you want to switch - I'm not sure how you'd go about installing from an ISO without a burner - vmware just runs a virtual machine inside your already installed distro - it doesn't actually wipe your hd and reinstall or make partitions or anything
[09:37] <HappyFool> it's probably the easiest way to update your software
[09:38] <Lafitte-> read here http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[09:38] <Chameleon22> how can i change my monitor settings ... just got a new monitor so need to make refresh and res higher and dont know how
[09:38] <nubious> Chameleon22: try 'base-config' from the term
[09:39] <jeffco> but can Synaptic update from my current firefox (1.0.20ubuntu5) to firefox.com's current version (1.0.4)?
[09:39] <HappyFool> jeffco: System -> Administration -> Synaptic  -- it will ask you for a password, enter your user password
[09:39] <jeffco> i'm opened synaptic now.
[09:39] <jeffco> then what?
[09:39] <HappyFool> not using the standard ubuntu repositories
[09:39] <jeffco> how do i update firefox?
[09:40] <jeffco> i want the latest firefox
[09:40] <Lafitte-> type gedit  /etc/X11/xorg.conf in
[09:40] <liable> jeffco: wait untill its released, in ubuntu
[09:40] <nubious> re: jeffco's problem is it possible to just download the binaries off the firefox site and manually remove the current version via synaptic?  it can't be that hard to compile
[09:40] <HappyFool> just to be clear, this procedure will not give you 1.0.4 -- for that you'll probably need to install the binary from firefox.org or somewhere
[09:41] <goofrider_> Chameleon22, u can use xorgconfig as well (it's the X server configration tool)
[09:41] <jeffco> you mean Linux/ubuntu is not as simple as in Windows, where you just download and doube-click?
[09:41] <Lafitte-> Chameleon22, gedit  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:41] <goofrider_> jeffco, because that's why Windows is sooooooooooo insecure
[09:42] <Flav> goofrider_: because he's running as an Administrator?
[09:42] <nubious> [00:44]  <jeffco> you mean Linux/ubuntu is not as simple as in Windows, where you just download and doube-click?  *LOL*
[09:42] <mindspin> annd here we are, what about apt-get update/upgrade after I had installed firefox from mozilla.org binarys?
[09:42] <nubious> jeffco: I WISH
[09:42] <mindspin> will they be removed?
[09:42] <HappyFool> well, i find synaptic to be brilliant for installing and upgrading
[09:42] <liable> jeffco: hah, not quite, but ubuntu's getting close, but you want to install from the proper repositories, otherwise you will end up having security issues (possibly)
[09:42] <nubious> jeffco: ubuntu makes things pretty easy - linux in general though is kinda a bitch to config
[09:42] <mindspin> is my packagemanagement corrupted then?
[09:42] <jeffco> so if i download the .gz file from firefox's website, does that mean i can use 1.0.4?
[09:42] <jeffco> so let me ask you all, what version of firefox are you using now?
[09:42] <liable> jeffco: yes, but you need to compile it
[09:42] <nubious> jeffco: think of .gz as a .zip / .rar - you'd need to unzip it first, then compile as liable said
[09:43] <HappyFool> 1.0.2 + security patches
[09:43] <nubious> jeffco: try running "gunzip --help" from a terminal window
[09:43] <HappyFool> as supplied by ubuntu
[09:43] <HappyFool> liable: eh? don't firefox provide compiled binaries?
[09:43] <jeffco> happyfool, why don't you want the latest version?
[09:43] <revelater> why is xorg using 144 megs of ram?
[09:43] <goofrider_> mindspin, depends on where u install the source Mozilla Firefox too. If u installed the source versio in /opt  or /usr/local (like you're supposed to as recommended by Debian Policy) then dpkg won't conflict with it
[09:43] <liable> jeffco: if you compile firefox, then when synaptic goes to update it, it can cuase probs, so, better to just wait, imho
[09:44] <HappyFool> jeffco: i don't need it. I can browse the web perfectly fine with 1.0.2
[09:44] <HappyFool> jeffco: what critical 1.0.4 feature do you need?
[09:44] <mindspin> ok
[09:44] <mindspin> thats good news
[09:44] <liable> HappyFool: quite possibly, I dont know
[09:44] <jeffco> okay. i'll stick with 1.0.2 then, unless someone in this chatroom can convince me otherwise.
[09:44] <revelater> why owuld xorg need 144 megs?
[09:44] <goofrider_> jeffco, each linux distro has it's own QA team in addtional to the upstream authors'
[09:44] <Lafitte-> revelater, why not
[09:44] <HappyFool> ok, firefox.org obviously isn't the right place. doh!
[09:44] <Lafitte-> getfirefox.org
[09:45] <jeffco> happyfool, Nothing. it's just that I thought having the latest version of any software is the best. (e.g. security reasons, etc).
[09:45] <revelater> i am running fluxbox, thats why not
[09:45] <liable> justwait.org :)
[09:45] <BBurger> HappyFool: mozilla.org/fiirefox - i think. opera user here!
[09:45] <goofrider_> jeffco, it takes a short period of new versions to become available to the linux distributions because each linux distro does additional testing and tweaks
[09:45] <HappyFool> jeffco: anyway, you should use synaptic to update your system on a fairly regular basis, to get security fixes etc
[09:45] <revelater> wasteland.com :P
[09:45] <revelater> don't go theere
[09:45] <revelater> there
[09:45] <revelater> i was joking
[09:45] <revelater> seriously, don't go there
[09:46] <revelater> YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
[09:46] <goofrider_> jeffco, Firefox 1.0.4 should be available in hoary-security or backports very shortly.
[09:46] <Lafitte-> oh  getfirefox.com
[09:46] <HappyFool> jeffco: the ubuntu team takes care of security fixes, and you can get them using synaptic (or other apt managers)
[09:46] <jeffco> okay, and once ubuntu comes out with a new Ubuntu version, i can get it installed without any messy Cd-burning, floppy, right?
[09:46] <jeffco> Or must I go to shipit.ubuntu.com again and wait for 3 months?!
[09:46] <Lafitte-> why run fluxbox
[09:46] <mindspin> can anyone give me some reasons for installing ubuntu-server instead of debian?
[09:46] <HappyFool> yeah, i think you can use dist-upgrade
[09:47] <revelater> why not?
[09:47] <BBurger> revelater: went there. yawn.
[09:47] <revelater> its fun
[09:47] <Flav> goofrider_: now that hoary's released, why would it get upgraded to 1.0.4?  security fixes get backported, hoary should be 1.0.2 forever
[09:47] <goofrider_> jeffco, u can use apt-get or synaptic to upgrade the entire Ubuntu system when a new release comes out
[09:47] <Lafitte-> blackbox better
[09:47] <HappyFool> but that will only happen in october ;)
[09:47] <revelater> its customized
[09:47] <Lafitte-> grin
[09:47] <Lafitte-> i dont know
[09:47] <revelater> and it looks good :P
[09:47] <Lafitte-> blackbox better   and the same style
[09:47] <revelater> BBurger: i actually haven't been on that site
[09:47] <nubious> mindspin: ubuntu's a much cooler word :)  plus, ubuntu maintains a free atmosphere, whereas debian doesn't tell you about all the commercial apps it supports
[09:47] <revelater> Lafitte-: black box is to old
[09:47] <revelater> Lafitte-: no longer in dev
[09:48] <Lafitte-> revelater,  and fluxbox isnt
[09:48] <goofrider_> Flav, sometimes they just do a point release in security updates anyways because the point releases provided security fixes
[09:48] <Lafitte-> revelater,  oh really  hehe
[09:48] <mindspin> nah,
[09:48] <goofrider_> Flav, I though 1.0.4 is all just secuirty fixes anyways
[09:48] <revelater> Lafitte-: flux box is under good dev
[09:48] <Lafitte-> i have some debian images for vpc   with blackbox
[09:48] <revelater> Lafitte-: whats vpc
[09:48] <revelater> ?
[09:48] <Lafitte-> oh virtual pc
[09:48] <Lafitte-> rather then vmware
[09:49] <jeffco> Isn't this a good reason to switch from firefox 1.0.2 to 1.0.4... for the security fixes?
[09:49] <HappyFool> nubious: commercial apps like ?
[09:49] <nubious> I can't name any
[09:49] <nubious> I just read the ubuntu site on why they split in the first place
[09:49] <mindspin> hehe
[09:49] <Flav> goofrider_: it might be, dunno - unless 1.0.3 was also only security fixes, it seems like the wrong thing for hoary to go up to 1.0.4
[09:49] <revelater> Lafitte-: why would you run vpc on a linux machine?
[09:49] <nubious> apparently debian went somewhat commercial with some of it's apps
[09:49] <nubious> I dunno
[09:49] <BBurger> HappyFool: Opera, for one?
[09:49] <nubious> hey there ya go
[09:49] <HappyFool> jeffco: *aargh* as i've said several times, the ubuntu team takes those security fixes and applies them to their version
[09:49] <HappyFool> BBurger: ah, ok. just curious
[09:49] <goofrider_> jeffco, I think u should be less concern about Firefox right now and focus on getting comfortable with the new system
[09:49] <Lafitte-> revelater,  i dont   i ran vpc on xp box  and ran linux servers from them for test
[09:49] <mindspin> but what has opera to do with servers?
[09:50] <duken> hi
[09:50] <revelater> Lafitte-: sounds like fun
[09:50] <jeffco> okay, sounds good. pardon my ignorance.
[09:50] <Lafitte-> revelater,  i have the space to try many different servers on that box is why
[09:50] <BBurger> mindspin: nothing, but happyfool was wondering about commercial apps on linux/ubuntu
[09:50] <duken> where i have repository to get firefox 1.0.4 ?
[09:50] <mindspin> ic
[09:50] <revelater> Lafitte-: web servers?
[09:50] <Lafitte-> revelater,  for test   then rsync to a hd
[09:50] <goofrider_> Flav, AFAIK 1.02 -> 1.03 -> 1.04 were mostly jsut secuirty fixes. I most certainly dont' remember any new features added
[09:50] <Lafitte-> some web  other dental software servers  for front office
[09:51] <jeffco> but the problem is that I can't make use of the extensions unless I get the latest version.
[09:51] <Lafitte-> revelater,  some webcam streams
[09:51] <revelater> Lafitte-: i am thinking of starting a web server, whats the best program for it (linux)
[09:51] <goofrider_> jeffco, r u sure? most extensions BREAKS when u install new version of Firefox
[09:51] <revelater> Lafitte-: i worry now at the mention of webcam...
[09:51] <Lafitte-> revelater,  yeah apache2 on debian  pretty solid
[09:51] <mindspin> debian apache mysql perl
[09:51] <mindspin> php
[09:51] <revelater> cool
[09:52] <Lafitte-> revelater,  was for business where they wanted to watch employees
[09:52] <jeffco> goofrider_, i'm afraid you got the order wrong. I want to install extensions, but I can't do so without getting the latest firefox.
[09:52] <revelater> Lafitte-: thats what i was talking about, and the employees were all in their 20s right?
[09:52] <jeffco> And If I get the latest firefox, then i don't have to worry about having broken extensions.
[09:52] <Lafitte-> i usually dont use ubuntu   but it supprted my centrino pretty well
[09:52] <HappyFool> jeffco: e.g., what extension?
[09:52] <revelater> Lafitte-: and half naked?
[09:52] <goofrider_> jeffco, I installed extensions to both 1.0.2 and 1.0.3 2 days ago
[09:53] <Lafitte-> revelater,   hehe    no     but it could be for that
[09:53] <goofrider_> on both Linux and XP
[09:53] <jeffco> various extensnios.
[09:53] <revelater> Lafitte-: good place to be the bass at though
[09:53] <revelater> boss
[09:53] <Lafitte-> revelater,  yeah  hehe
[09:53] <revelater> ;not fish
[09:53] <jeffco> https://addons.mozilla.org/?application=firefox won't work for me unless i get the latest FF.
[09:53] <Lafitte-> revelater,  except  it wasnt porn this time
[09:53] <mindspin> do you really need those addons?
[09:53] <revelater> Lafitte-: thats a rarity...
[09:54] <jeffco> well, those addons make my surfing experience a lot lot better and faster.
[09:54] <goofrider_> jeffco, that's because of the website's new security policy
[09:54] <Lafitte-> revelater,  yeah   hehe
[09:54] <goofrider_> not a technical issue
[09:54] <mindspin> and more insecure?
[09:54] <goofrider_> jeffco, get your extensions on extensionroom.mozdev.org
[09:54] <goofrider_> see if u can find all of it
[09:54] <revelater> id still like to know why xorg is using so much reasources...
[09:54] <DaBlade> Hwllo
[09:54] <goofrider_> jeffco, or extensionmirrors.nl
[09:54] <Lafitte-> revelater,  we acutally built a webstream with wireless hardware  to mount in a building they was going to smash down  so we could se the blast
[09:54] <DaBlade> *Hello
[09:54] <HappyFool> jeffco: possibly easiest then is getting 1.0.4 for linux from http://www.mozilla.org/, and install it in your home directory
[09:54] <jeffco> are you all using X-chat 2.4.1 here?
[09:54] <Lafitte-> revelater,  that was fun
[09:55] <DaBlade> How do I disable various services from running on startup?
[09:55] <HappyFool> gah, that's daft
[09:55] <DaBlade> jeffco: I'm using IRSSI (although I usually use Konversation)
[09:55] <jeffco> How came when I click a link, nothing happens? and when I click it with the middle (scroll/wheel) button), nothing happens.
[09:55] <revelater> Lafitte-: thats sounds better than pron
[09:55] <HappyFool> the firefox site should recognize that the ubuntu version has security patches in
[09:55] <goofrider_> jeffco,  yeah what HappyFool said is a good idea as well
[09:56] <goofrider_> jeffco, right click on the link and open in firefox/mozilla/whatever
[09:56] <jeffco> and if I install 1.0.4 into my home directory,,,, what significance is there ?
[09:56] <revelater> ahh, firefox was using over 100 megs...
[09:56] <BBurger> using Opera's integrated "Chat" (really just IRC) function here.
[09:56] <DaBlade> can anyone help me? I've got lots of useless services running on startup I wanna disable
[09:56] <Lafitte-> revelater,  yeah  hehe
[09:56] <Lafitte-> revelater,  its all fun   and a few bucks
[09:56] <revelater> mem usage of xorg went from 144 to 44...
[09:56] <goofrider_> revelater, Firefox has alays be a RAM hog. It also depends on how many tabs u have opened
[09:56] <Chameleon22> how can i change my monitor settings ... just got a new monitor so need to make refresh and res higher and dont know how
[09:56] <goofrider_> has **always been***
[09:56] <revelater> 12?
[09:56] <nubious> so does anyone here use vnc on kubuntu?
[09:57] <jeffco> will downloading firefox from outside of synaptic cause conflicts in the future?
[09:57] <goofrider_> Chameleon22, use xorgconfig
[09:57] <goofrider_> Chameleon22, if u have Warty, it's XF86config
[09:57] <revelater> Chameleon22: edit /etc/X11/xorg.config
[09:57] <Chameleon22> goofrider_ : thanks
[09:57] <DaBlade> hello? Anyone?
[09:57] <Chameleon22> revelater: uhhh thats the file i was looking for !
[09:57] <goofrider_> jeffco, as long as u install other software in your home directory. /opt and /usr/local, then u are fine
[09:58] <revelater> Chameleon22: couldn't find it?
[09:58] <revelater> Chameleon22: or it wasn't there
[09:58] <revelater> DaBlade: yes?
[09:58] <jeffco> i downloaded the tar.gz file, but there's no setup.exe file like in windows. help
[09:58] <HappyFool> DaBlade: i think there's a page about this on the wiki
[09:58] <HappyFool> DaBlade: just a moment
[09:58] <DaBlade> revelater: how do I disable specific services running froms tartup
[09:58] <DaBlade> ah..
[09:59] <goofrider_> jeffco, just open it, drag the folder insize into your home directory, that's it
[09:59] <revelater> DaBlade: never needed to get into that...
[09:59] <goofrider_> jeffco, in windows, it's called XCOPY deplyment
[09:59] <DaBlade> ?
[09:59] <revelater> DaBlade: don't know
[09:59] <goofrider_> XCOPY deployment
[09:59] <Lafitte-> revelater, not.config     .conf
[09:59] <jeffco> goofrider_ what happens if i install other than in the home directory?
[10:00] <goofrider_> DaBlade, edit /etc/ initttab
[10:00] <Lafitte-> gedit  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:00] <revelater> Lafitte-: sorry, i didn't remember, i figured the person would figure it out...
[10:00] <goofrider_> DaBlade, google for inittab for howtos
[10:00] <DaBlade> ok...what do I change there?
[10:00] <Lafitte-> revelater,  hehe
[10:00] <HappyFool> no
[10:00] <HappyFool> editing /etc/inittab is not a good idea
[10:00] <jeffco> goofrider_, and what do you mean " as long as u install other software in your home directory..."  ??? Other software as opposed to software that does not come with the installed UBuntu, you mean?
[10:00] <Lafitte-> no  thats not to disable
[10:00] <goofrider_> jeffco, in u install software in places other than /home/username, /opt or /usr/local, then they might conflict with the Ubuntu packaging system
[10:01] <DaBlade> that file contains no info about any services it seems
[10:01] <HappyFool> DaBlade: take a look here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuBootupHowto
[10:01] <revelater> HappyFool: and why not? i think it is a very good idea! in fact, it should be deleted entirely :P
[10:01] <goofrider_> jeffco, exactly
[10:01] <shinu> DaBlade: use sysv-rc-conf
[10:01] <DaBlade> ok, thanks HappyFool
[10:01] <DaBlade> ok shinu
[10:01] <HappyFool> DaBlade: "deactivating init-scripts"
[10:01] <shinu> DaBlade: apt-get it first :)
[10:01] <jeffco> okay. so you mentioned three folder locations (1. username 2. opt 3. local) . What's the difference? What do you recmomned I install software?
[10:01] <Spam-Killa> hi
[10:01] <Spam-Killa> :)
[10:01] <DaBlade> ah I noticed it wasn't here lol
[10:02] <shinu> :)
[10:02] <jeffco> I meant where. Where do you recommend I install software?
[10:02] <mindspin> I would recommend to install in /home
[10:02] <Spam-Killa> today i will install ubuntu:P its my first linux os
[10:02] <revelater> Spam-Killa: but i like spam....
[10:02] <DR_K13> soup
[10:02] <duken> hi
[10:02] <HappyFool> jeffco: if you install it in your home dir, only you'll be able to use it
[10:02] <shinu> DaBlade: alternatively you could use rcconf but I dont like it too much :P
[10:02] <HappyFool> this might not be an issue if you're the only user
[10:02] <duken> ho to upgrade firefox to 1.0.4 version ?
[10:02] <Lafitte-> night
[10:02] <Spam-Killa> revelater heheLO its nick from difrent network:P
[10:02] <HappyFool> jeffco: /opt and /usr/local are good if there are other users
[10:03] <jeffco> I'm currently the only user now, but maybe some family and friends will come visit in the future and may want to use my PC.
[10:03] <mindspin> so add new users
[10:03] <shinu> jeffco: you mean compile from source?
[10:03] <DaBlade> I don't understand this app...how do I see other apps? and to disable some, I just unmark them?
[10:04] <jeffco> If I put software in /home, does that mean that if another person wants to use that software, he'd have to download and install it again? Won't that be a waste of filespace/harddrive space?
[10:04] <mindspin> and install intheir /home
[10:04] <revelater> Misiek2000: now i get my spam back, yeah!!
[10:04] <DR_K13> home
[10:04] <Misiek2000> revelater :P
[10:04] <goofrider_> jeffco, that's when u put it in /opt
[10:04] <mindspin> if they do something wrong only their /home gets corrupted
[10:04] <revelater> Misiek2000: well, for your first linux os, you chose the right one
[10:04] <DR_K13> si
[10:04] <revelater> Misiek2000: easy to install (realativly) and fast getting started
[10:04] <shinu> jeffco: if you do mean compile from source so how about /usr/src :P
[10:05] <goofrider_> jeffco, but right now, u shouldn't be concern about that. just take your time get comfortable around the system
[10:05] <mindspin> yep
[10:05] <jeffco> So the /opt directory is like a shared directory, right? if i put files, applications, programs in the /opt folder, everybody and anybody has access to it, right?
[10:05] <revelater> Misiek2000: but it lacks many of the functions one has come to expect from traditional linux os, but also the same things that made it harder
[10:05] <goofrider_> jeffco, later on, when u need to, u can alwasy move firefox from your home dir to /opt or wherever else....
[10:05] <Misiek2000> revelater thanks;)
[10:06] <jeffco> shinu, what are you meaning when you say compile? Is that a programming word? I'm not a programmer
[10:06] <revelater> Misiek2000: good rule of thumb, back up first, and make sure you have your original os disk
[10:06] <goofrider_> jeffco, that;s a really over-simiplifyed veriosn of the purpose of /opt
[10:06] <Misiek2000> revelater but i afraid to witch problems with my hardware, drivers etc. btw sorry for my english
[10:06] <Misiek2000> hmm
[10:06] <DaBlade> ok, it's edited
[10:06] <revelater> Misiek2000:  how do you connect to the internet?
[10:06] <shinu> jeffco: uh...when you download the source-code.tar.gz you unpack it and compile it right?
[10:06] <mindspin> getting the sources (tar.gz) and "installing" by ./configure make and make install
[10:06] <Misiek2000> revelater adsl
[10:07] <shinu> jeffco: thats why im asking what do you mean by installing :D
[10:07] <revelater> ok, so connection should happen almost automatically i think
[10:07] <revelater> Misiek2000: what graphics card?
[10:07] <revelater> Misiek2000:  if any
[10:07] <Misiek2000> revelater gf2mx400 65mb
[10:07] <Misiek2000> 64
[10:08] <revelater> Misiek2000: do you use any specialized hardware?
[10:08] <jeffco> shinu, when i use the word "install" i am thinking of Windows OS terminology: double-clicking the install/setup.exe file to make a program available to the computer. Sorry if i'm using the wrong terminology.
[10:08] <revelater> jeffco: you need to compile
[10:08] <Misiek2000> revelater nope, but i have afraids with my adsl modem;)
[10:08] <Misiek2000> paranoic;)
[10:08] <revelater> Misiek2000: where are you from?
[10:08] <shinu> jeffco: uh...for the .bin files? (im not to expert btw :P)
[10:09] <jeffco> So LinuxCompile equals WindowsInstall?
[10:09] <mindspin> no, for the sources
[10:09] <Misiek2000> revelater poland
[10:09] <HappyFool> jeffco: the download from www.mozilla.org should be already compiled
[10:09] <revelater> Misiek2000: ic
[10:09] <revelater> Misiek2000: do you have your windows install disk with you?
[10:09] <Misiek2000> yep
[10:09] <jeffco> If one can download/update stuff without using Synaptic (for example, by gonig straight to the website), then what's the value of synaptic?
[10:10] <DaBlade> thanks for the help people
[10:10] <DaBlade> adios
[10:10] <goofrider_> jeffco, because synaptic and apt-get keeps your system up-to-date
[10:10] <goofrider_> and resolve dependancies
[10:10] <HappyFool> heh
[10:10] <mindspin> its working "automatically$
[10:10] <jeffco> And what's the danger, if any?
[10:10] <shinu> HappyFool: dont they let you dl .tar.gz packages to compile it yourself?
[10:10] <revelater> Misiek2000: do you have another computer that can connect to the internet? or more specifically this channel?
[10:10] <HappyFool> try installing apache by yourself ;)
[10:10] <HappyFool> ap handles dependencies
[10:10] <revelater> Misiek2000: perferably close by
[10:10] <Misiek2000> revelater yep , but this is server
[10:10] <HappyFool> Shinu: they do
[10:10] <jeffco> depdencies? huh?
[10:10] <Misiek2000> revelater by isp
[10:10] <HappyFool> shinu: but i believe compiling mozilla is non-trivial
[10:11] <goofrider_> jeffco, can u please stick to Ubuntu supplied packages until u get comfortable around the system????
[10:11] <shinu> HappyFool: yes... as most programs :P
[10:11] <goofrider_> jeffco, it'll minimize the chances of problems
[10:11] <mindspin> so it is
[10:11] <HappyFool> jeffco: sometimes one piece of software requires 2 or 3 other pieces
[10:11] <revelater> Misiek2000: ic, well, try it out, and if it doesn't work, reinstall windows, or get on this channel and ask for help
[10:11] <jeffco> oh, i see. dependencies are something like .dll files in Windows.
[10:11] <shinu> goofrider_: but it doesnt change much whether i install the package from mozilla.org or apt-get the new firefox right?
[10:12] <revelater> Misiek2000: i have never had to setup an adsl connection before
[10:12] <HappyFool> shinu: i heard it takes hours, versus maybe 5-10 minutes for a typical small app. haven't tried it myself
[10:12] <Misiek2000> revelater ok, i must go now. i will join on this chan;)
[10:12] <Misiek2000> cya
[10:12] <goofrider_> shinu, it's very different
[10:12] <revelater> ok, i am not here often but others can help
[10:12] <jeffco> So just to confirm, there is absolutely no problem whatsover to download Firefox 1.0.4 from the web, right?
[10:12] <shinu> uh...
[10:12] <Misiek2000> revelater ok;)
[10:12] <shinu> xD
[10:12] <revelater> Misiek2000: bye
[10:12] <goofrider_> shinu, apt-get and synaptic keep tracks of EVERYTHING u have installed and avoid comflcits for u
[10:13] <goldfish> What's the big deal with ff 1.0.4?
[10:13] <goofrider_> and keep system-up-todate as well
[10:13] <shinu> goofrider_: cool thanks
[10:13] <HappyFool> jeffco: no, especially not if you install it in your home directory
[10:13] <goofrider_> shinu, if u install from source or binary, u'r on your own
[10:13] <revelater> goofrider_: not everything, i have installed things that it can't find...
[10:13] <mindspin> the security "hole" of last week is fixed
[10:13] <goldfish> k
[10:13] <goldfish> Thanks.
[10:13] <HappyFool> goldfish: the extension page demands you upgrade
[10:13] <revelater> goofrider_: only when you install from .deb does synaptic see it
[10:13] <mindspin> but this "hole" applies only for the win version as far as i know
[10:14] <jeffco> so if i get 1.0.4, that means i won't  be needing the 1.0,2 which ubuntu installed right? If so, it can be deleted right?
[10:14] <HappyFool> goldfish: very nanny-ish
[10:14] <goofrider_> HappyFool, please don't tell jeffco that. I have a feeling that he'll download a lot of other things from the web as well, install from source, and have a whole lot of problems
[10:14] <goldfish> HappyFool: :)
[10:14] <revelater> jeffco: just use w3m!
[10:14] <jeffco> what's w3m?
[10:14] <DR_K13> why upgrade  you are not running winblows
[10:14] <goldfish> indeed
[10:14] <jeffco> i'm a 2 hour newbie to ubuntu. sorry i don't know many things.
[10:14] <mindspin> a browser hehe
[10:14] <revelater> jeffco: a fun internet browser
[10:14] <HappyFool> jeffco: hard-drive space is cheap, and firefox is small
[10:14] <goofrider_> revelater, I meant it keeps track of every Ubuntu packages u have installed.
[10:15] <iapx8088> hello all, I was installing gcombust, but running it I see it the fonts are too small. I'm running hoary
[10:15] <goofrider_> jeffco, w3m is a text mode web browser
[10:15] <jeffco> i like graphics, thank you!
[10:15] <revelater> jeffco: just open a terminal and type in w3m then the website you want after it.
[10:16] <DR_K13> w3m is handy
[10:16] <revelater> goofrider_: why did you tell him?
[10:16] <Commando>  What is the best Xchat script?
[10:16] <revelater> DR_K13: it looks good in fluxbox to
[10:16] <revelater> DR_K13: with tranparencies
[10:16] <goldfish> Commando: /exec sudo apt-get install irssi-text
[10:16] <goldfish> :)
[10:16] <goofrider_> Commando, ask them l337 script k1ddi35 in #xhcat?
[10:17] <Commando> goofrider_: im not a lamer...
[10:17] <revelater> goldfish: yup, thats the best one alright...
[10:17] <goofrider_> revelater, oh, did i miss the joke? sorry
[10:17] <Commando> I want a script like Xlack
[10:17] <goldfish> revelater: hehe
[10:17] <iapx8088> Commando, omg
[10:18] <goldfish> emmm
[10:18] <revelater> goldfish: surfing with w3m and chating with irssi is the best
[10:18] <goldfish> hah
[10:18] <goldfish> Never tried w3m :)
[10:18] <kestas> I surf with netcat
[10:18] <goldfish> Must give it a go.
[10:18] <goldfish> kestas: lol
[10:18] <shinu> revelater: how about irssi + links? :)
[10:18] <revelater> i don't like links
[10:18] <shinu> uh...
[10:18] <revelater> not sure why
[10:19] <revelater> it just... bothers me
[10:19] <revelater> maybe its the name
[10:19] <mindspin> links or lynx?
[10:19] <shinu> :D
[10:19] <goofrider_> links
[10:19] <shinu> mindspin: links
[10:19] <goofrider_> there's a elinks as well
[10:19] <shinu> w3m has nice colours. :)
[10:19] <revelater> kestas: what is netcat?
[10:20] <revelater> shinu: that it does, and it supports tranparencies quite well
[10:20] <Bramme> hm, wanted some humity, changed debian for ubuntu, but now the problems have begun... first everything went fine, but since i installed acx100-drivers (after deleting the pre-installed, out to date acx-driver) i can still boot and will in my username and pass in gdm, but when i press enter the comp is getting stucked
[10:20] <revelater> stucked?
[10:20] <kestas> man netcat
[10:20] <revelater> at what point?
[10:20] <goofrider_> stucked @ the gdm screen?
[10:20] <goofrider_> or the desktop?
[10:20] <kestas> humity?
[10:20] <Bramme> no, i get a black screen with a mouse, thats it
[10:21] <goofrider_> kestas, humanity
[10:21] <shinu> revelater: and by transparencies you mean?
[10:21] <Bramme> kestas, humity :p
[10:21] <HappyFool> revelater: "printf 'GET / HTTP/1.0'|nc www.google.com 80"
[10:21] <goofrider_> HappyFool, ROTFL
[10:22] <revelater> HappyFool: not sure what that was supposed to do...
[10:22] <DR_K13> 127.0.0.1    for the  win
[10:22] <shinu> revelater: nothing bad :D
[10:22] <goofrider_> HappyFool, what good is seeing a bunch of RAW HTML?
[10:22] <HappyFool> printf 'GET / HTTP/1.0\n\n'|nc www.google.com 80
[10:22] <HappyFool> sorry
[10:22] <Bramme> nobody who can help me ?
[10:22] <revelater> shinu: i mean that my terminal is trasparent (i can see the background behind it) partially
[10:22] <HappyFool> goofrider: i dunno. kestas apparently browses that way
[10:23] <shinu> revelater: oh right... ^^'
[10:23] <goldfish> revelater: Netcat is the tcp/ip swiss army kit !
[10:23] <mindspin> I thought perl is.......
[10:23] <goofrider_> Bramme, can u be more specific?
[10:23] <mindspin> ok, not for tcp/ip
[10:23] <revelater> goldfish: i got that on the man pages, but not sure what it is for...
[10:23] <shinu> revelater: w3m presents the page better... but kinda weird to use though... :)
[10:24] <goofrider_> mindspin, sure perl is. there's libperl-www
[10:24] <revelater> shinu: but it was easy, i figured out what i needed to do in no time
[10:24] <mindspin> per is indeed
[10:24] <mindspin> perl
[10:24] <Bramme> goofrider_ , no i can't :(
[10:24] <Bramme> what do you need to know ?
[10:25] <shinu> revelater: i dont really like the idea of double clicking on links but matter of getting used to it :P
[10:25] <jeffco> goofrider_ said "if u install software in places other than /home/username, /opt or /usr/local, then they might conflict with the Ubuntu packaging system."      If so, why then would anyone want to do otherwise? Are there any benefits/reasons to installing in places other than the above?
[10:25] <revelater> Bramme: did you configure your graphics card driver?
[10:25] <revelater> shinu: i don't use the mouse, i use the keyboard
[10:25] <revelater> shinu: i move the cursor over it and hit enter
[10:26] <goofrider_> Bramme, check your logs in /var/log/gdm, maybe /var/log/* as well, for wrrors
[10:26] <mindspin> there is always another way to do it, but sometimes it could be a dead end street ;-)
[10:26] <shinu> revelater: comes back to double clicking :P
[10:26] <Bramme> revelater: everything went fine before i installed the acx drivers
[10:26] <goofrider_> jeffco, read the Debian Polcy and Debian FHS manual if you really want to know
[10:26] <goofrider_> Debian Policy
[10:26] <shinu> revelater: annyways. thanks for informing me about w3m ^^ i think i might be using it :D
[10:26] <revelater> Bramme: then you probably need to configure or reconfigure them
[10:27] <revelater> ok
[10:27] <revelater> shinu: np
[10:27] <HappyFool> jeffco: ubuntu puts its software in /usr/* (/usr/bin, /usr/sbin, etc.)
[10:27] <revelater> shinu: have fun :P
[10:27] <HappyFool> jeffco: /usr/local/ and /opt are set aside for non-standard software
[10:27] <revelater> shinu: btw, big reason to use it is its porn safe!
[10:27] <HappyFool> so you can put stuff there and not worry about breaking anything
[10:27] <shinu> revelater: it even has right-click! and tab browsing! :D
[10:27] <shinu> :)
[10:27] <shinu> nice...
[10:28] <revelater> shinu: so go ahead, click on that questionable google search
[10:28] <revelater> loll
[10:28] <nubious> how do you go about installing vnc server when it's not available thru apt-get?
[10:28] <shinu> revelater: just... how do i open a new address?
[10:28] <nubious> ubuntu comes with vino for gnome, but I'm running kde now, so I wanna get vnc setup for that
[10:28] <revelater> shinu: not sure, man?
[10:29] <goofrider_> nubious, vnc is installed by default in Ubuntu
[10:29] <shinu> ok
[10:29] <nubious> right
[10:29] <nubious> but it's vino
[10:29] <nubious> for gnome
[10:29] <nubious> I want it setup for kde
[10:29] <nubious> I just installed the kubuntu desktop
[10:29] <goofrider_> nubious, apt-cache search vnc
[10:29] <mindspin> open kynaptic and search wether there is a solution
[10:29] <goofrider_> there are a number of vnc servers u can choose from
[10:29] <nubious> goofrider: nothin
[10:30] <nubious> ok
[10:30] <nubious> cool
[10:30] <goofrider_> nubious, I'd recommend tightvnc, but it's a personal preference
[10:30] <mindspin> sudo apt-cache search
[10:30] <HappyFool> nubious: it looks like vnc4-common is in universe
[10:30] <nubious> tightvnc is a client though, is it not?
[10:30] <kestas> server
[10:30] <goofrider_> nubious, maybe u don't have universe enabled?
[10:30] <nubious> I dunno
[10:30] <nubious> I'm on my windows machine
[10:30] <trondd> Hi! I got a question about the network applet: Would it be possible to allow regular user to switch profile?
[10:30] <nubious> my linux machine's monitor SUCKS
[10:30] <nubious> so
[10:30] <nubious> thats why I want vnc
[10:30] <HappyFool> you don't need sudo for apt-cache search
[10:30] <goofrider_> nubious, use remote X
[10:30] <goofrider_> nubious, VNC is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
[10:30] <kestas> remote X is a pita
[10:31] <nubious> kestas: hah
[10:31] <goofrider_> nubious, or u can usee freenx (it's in hoary backports)
[10:31] <goofrider_> kestas, not if u use it over lan using xdmcp
[10:31] <shinu> revelater: how do i close tabs? xD
[10:31] <goofrider_> kestas, virtually no configuratio neccssary if u use XDMCP
[10:31] <goofrider_> kestas, or SSH X11 forwarding.
[10:31] <kestas> *shudder*
[10:31] <nubious> goofrider: I find vnc to be quite quick actually...
[10:32] <goofrider_> kestas, remote X is pretty simple nowadays
[10:32] <nubious> where do Igrab remote x, and would that allow me to emulate kde, or just an x session?
[10:32] <revelater> shinu: not sure, i haven't used it that much XD
[10:32] <goldfish> lo Echylo
[10:32] <goofrider_> nubious, I found remote X faster. vnc use compressed bitmaps while X uses primitives
[10:32] <Echylo> loo
[10:32] <shinu> revelater: haha! xD
[10:32] <nubious> hmmm
[10:32] <nubious> see I'm on a 100 mbit network tho
[10:33] <goofrider_> nubious, on windows, get an X server for windows
[10:33] <nubious> so it's not like compressed bitmaps lags me out
[10:33] <HappyFool> nubious: well, if you use cygwin's X-server you can run apps on your linux box as windows on windows
[10:33] <shinu> revelater: ends up not not beeing as good as i thought... need some tweaks to it :)
[10:33] <goofrider_> Cygwin/X and XDeep32 are free
[10:33] <nubious> goofrider: no no no.. I wanna use vnc client on my windows machine to port into my ubuntubox
[10:33] <revelater> shinu: i just need to figure it out more...
[10:33] <HappyFool> nubious: or you can run it full-screen
[10:33] <nubious> I have dual monitors on my windows machine
[10:33] <nubious> so I run linux on one
[10:33] <shinu> revelater: yup ^^ if its there :D
[10:33] <nubious> windows on the other
[10:33] <nubious> via vnc
[10:33] <goofrider_> nubious, get realvnc or tightvnc client for windows
[10:34] <nubious> I have that
[10:34] <nubious> I need the server setup in kde tho
[10:34] <kestas> nubious, why not use your second monitor for windows on your linux machine?
[10:34] <revelater> shinu: it sould be.. :P
[10:34] <nubious> because I'm a gamer
[10:34] <nubious> at heart
[10:34] <nubious> I need dual monitors for my gaming setup
[10:34] <goofrider_> nubious, I think u need to add universe to your sources.list, first of all
[10:34] <nubious> why woudl I need to do that goof?
[10:35] <kestas> universe should be added by default
[10:35] <goofrider_> nubious, because the other vnc servers are in universe
[10:35] <nubious> ok
[10:35] <nubious> right
[10:35] <nubious> but
[10:35] <nubious> it SHOULD be done by default
[10:35] <nubious> as kestas said
[10:35] <nubious> afk
[10:35] <goofrider_> kestas, no it isn't universe is commented out
[10:35] <nubious> checking it out
[10:35] <nubious> brb
[10:35] <kestas> yeah goofrider but it should be done by default
[10:35] <kestas> it *should*
[10:35] <kestas> I mean why the hell not?
[10:35] <mindspin> btw. what abot security updates if universe is added?
[10:35] <HappyFool> universe is unsupported
[10:35] <goofrider_> kestas, no it shouldn't
[10:35] <kestas> everyone activates it
[10:36] <mindspin> nope
[10:36] <nubuntious> k
[10:36] <nubuntious> here I am
[10:36] <goofrider_> kestas, but it's NOT officially supported
[10:36] <nubuntious> in kde
[10:36] <mindspin> me not until now
[10:36] <HappyFool> kestas: because it is unsupported
[10:36] <nubuntious> woah kde is WAY nicer
[10:36] <goofrider_> kestas, u do know about liability and warranty, right?
[10:36] <kestas> so if someone uses universe and gets a messed up package they can sue ubuntu?
[10:36] <kestas> I dont buy it
[10:37] <goofrider_> kestas, what's conivinent for u (and for every user as well) may not be the best for a company
[10:37] <HappyFool> goofrider: yeah, as in there is none anyway ;)
[10:37] <nubuntious> hmm
[10:37] <nubuntious> KDE's got built in desktop sharing
[10:37] <mindspin> that's it
[10:37] <HappyFool> this is free software
[10:37] <nubuntious> could I use remote desktop to connect with that?
[10:37] <goofrider_> kestas, actual GPL comes with NO WARRANTY
[10:37] <mindspin> I offer Kubuntu as company desktop
[10:37] <mindspin> so there is no need for universe.....
[10:37] <kestas> so then whats the problem?
[10:37] <goofrider_> kestas, universe or main. NO WARRANTY
[10:37] <kestas> if theyre not offering warranty anyway
[10:37] <nubuntious> ahah
[10:37] <nubuntious> it's vnc
[10:37] <nubuntious> one sec
[10:37] <nubuntious> I think I might have it
[10:38] <nubuntious> brb
[10:38] <nubuntious> popping to windows
[10:38] <cory> Hi.. I have a question
[10:38] <goofrider_> kestas, because "main" section needs to be frozen for release
[10:38] <nub-brb> ok
[10:38] <nub-brb> blah
[10:38] <HappyFool> kestas: because there's a commitment to support main
[10:38] <HappyFool> kestas: and none to support universe
[10:38] <nub-brb> trying vnc
[10:38] <Echylo> how do I play .wmv files in ubuntu?
[10:38] <nubuntious> hah
[10:38] <nubuntious> that was easy
[10:38] <Echylo> it keeps giving errors
[10:38] <cory> How do I shut off my current window manager?
[10:38] <goofrider_> "universe" is maintained by the community, not Canonical
[10:38] <nubuntious> vnc is a bit slower though in kkkde
[10:38] <revelater> shinu: change urls is shift u
[10:38] <nubuntious> woah
[10:38] <kestas> Echylo, active universe (:P@ HappyFool and goofrider ) and look for the w32codecs
[10:38] <nubuntious> and it lags my typing
[10:39] <nubuntious> interesting
[10:39] <kestas> *activat
[10:39] <Echylo> kestas, I got those alreadu
[10:39] <kestas> e
[10:39] <shinu> revelater: please tell me where you read that? man page? home page?
[10:39] <kestas> gstreamer-wmv?
[10:39] <goofrider_> Echylo, w32codecs is not in universe. it's in backports
[10:39] <Echylo> I know
[10:39] <mindspin> what about apt pinning with universe et.al?
[10:39] <revelater> shinu: i was just messing around... :P
[10:39] <shinu> oh... xD
[10:39] <shinu> ill check their homepage then :D
[10:40] <revelater> k XD
[10:40] <goofrider_> w32codecs is not a WARRANTY issue, it's a PATENT issue
[10:40] <kyncani> patents patents ...
[10:40] <goofrider_> kestas, stop lumping all issues inconvinent to u into one big bucket
[10:40] <goofrider_> they are all DIFFRENT issues
[10:40] <nub-brb> ok
[10:40] <nub-brb> so
[10:41] <nub-brb> if I uncomment the universe sources in the sources.list in /etc/apt it will give me access to more stuff aka vncserver?
[10:41] <shinu> revelater: mwahahaha hotmail.com gives me a runtime error :D
[10:41] <goofrider_> jsut that they all have the same effect to u (inconvinience) doesn't mean they are the same problem or there can be a single solution
[10:41] <cory> Can someone please tell me how to disable my current Window Manager?
[10:41] <kestas> what are you talking about? I just think universe should be on by default, or perhaps in installation it should say 'Do you want to activate universal packages by defualt? (We can not be held responsible blablabla)'
[10:41] <HappyFool> lots more stuff ;)
[10:41] <nub-brb> done
[10:41] <nub-brb> do I have to restart or anything?
[10:41] <revelater> shinu: well... hot mail sucks, use yahoo
[10:41] <goldfish> GMAIL !
[10:41] <nub-brb> hey yeah
[10:41] <kestas> that way we dont get 10 people a day coming in saying "How do I get xine/blablabla?"
[10:41] <shinu> goldfish: i have that one too xD
[10:42] <nub-brb> anyone need gmail invites?
[10:42] <revelater> shinu: try hitting t to bring up tabs
[10:42] <shinu> nub-brb: want one?
[10:42] <goldfish> nope
[10:42] <goofrider_> kestas, no it SHOULDN'T because that means Canonical have to offically commit to support universe as well
[10:42] <nub-brb> shinu: I have 2 accounts each with full invites
[10:42] <goldfish> shinu: Cool :)
[10:42] <HappyFool> you have to run 'sudo apt-get update' or equivalent
[10:42] <HappyFool> i don't know the kde apt manager
[10:42] <goofrider_> kestas, and they should have RTFM'd
[10:42] <shinu> oh... sorry nubious didnt read properly xD
[10:42] <nubious> s'ok :)
[10:42] <frogger^> hi. where are the sound mixer settings located?
[10:42] <nubious> alsamixer
[10:43] <nubious> frogger^: alsamixer
[10:43] <kestas> not if they say 'we are not commiting to support universe, and this is unstable, and blablabla, but to get xine, mplayer and all that you should activate universe'
[10:43] <revelater> shinu: see, it IS a good program!!!
[10:43] <nubious> hmmmm
[10:43] <shinu> shinu: :D
[10:43] <HappyFool> kestas: it's not that hard to activate universe in synaptic. the idea about asking during install is not too bad, though i get the idea one wants fewer questions, not more ;)
[10:43] <nubious> I'm wondering if I was to install the vncserver program if it would be faster than the kde built in desktop sharing one
[10:43] <mindspin> yep, but at your own risk
[10:43] <frogger^> nubious, i know, but where is the config file?
[10:43] <revelater> shinu: you talking to yourself?
[10:43] <goofrider_> kestas, unsupported means a lot of things besides helping users to get it to work
[10:43] <nubious> frogger^: not sure.. try 'locate alsamixer'
[10:44] <nubious> frogger^: in all honesty I'm a newbie, so I'm just offering what I know :)
[10:44] <kestas> ubuntu doesnt have to support even supported apps
[10:44] <shinu> revelater: uh... typed the wrong nick xD
[10:44] <kestas> so whats the difference?
[10:44] <goofrider_> kestas, it also means the Ubuntu team has no obligatino to track or fic universe bug b4 each Ubuntu release
[10:44] <revelater> revelater: hello me
[10:44] <goofrider_> track or fix***
[10:44] <revelater> lol
[10:44] <HappyFool> kestas: the difference is the commitment by ubuntu
[10:44] <kestas> not if they say "We are not obligated, this may be insecure, break your system and kill your dog, blablabla"
[10:44] <goofrider_> kestas, a small "main" section keep the team focused and keep the release cycle manageable
[10:45] <jeffco> hello all: any good sites where i can download some free 3d action games for ubuntu?
[10:45] <shinu> xD
[10:45] <goofrider_> kestas, if universe is offical, they we'll be like Debian
[10:45] <nubuntious> maaaan
[10:45] <HappyFool> kestas: there's a lot of software, and a line has to be drawn somewhere
[10:45] <kestas> Im not saying they should support it, just offer the option to activate it during install
[10:45] <goofrider_> kestas, 10,000 packages, all need to be fixed b4 release
[10:45] <nubuntious> I'm temptedd to  partition my windows macchine and  get kde on thhhhis thing herre
[10:45] <nubuntious> woooooooooooah
[10:45] <nubuntious> nice keyboard lag mr vncserver
[10:45] <goofrider_> that's why Sarge took 3 years (and still not released)
[10:45] <nubious> thats retarded
[10:45] <nubious> gnome runs WAY faster
[10:46] <nubious> apparently it's more stable too - anyone confirm that?
[10:46] <HappyFool> kestas: you are familiar with the idea of trade-offs? this is the result. it's hardly *that* awkward
[10:46] <goofrider_> kestas, some inportant packes will move from universe to main over time
[10:46] <nubious> ubuntu: eh mang
[10:46] <revelater> shinu: crap i just forgot how to move through tabs :(
[10:46] <kestas> tell me this: why shouldnt there be an option to activate universal packages during install?
[10:46] <cory> Can someone please tell me how to disable my current Window Manager?
[10:47] <kestas> if all necessary disclaimers are given
[10:47] <shinu> :D
[10:47] <mindspin> kestas he actually told you
[10:47] <goofrider_> kestas, BECAUSE IT'LL MEANS WE NEED TO SUPPORT IT OFFICIALLY
[10:47] <shinu> revelater: right-click - t?
[10:47] <kestas> not if they say "WE ARE NOT SUPPORTING THIS!"
[10:47] <trondd> cory: switch session in gdm
[10:47] <HappyFool> kestas: more questions bad
[10:47] <goofrider_> I said.....
[10:48] <goofrider_> "unsupported" also means the Ubuntu team has no obligatino to track or fic universe bug b4 each Ubuntu release
[10:48] <mindspin> he doesn't get the concept.....
[10:48] <goofrider_> kestas, i'm not talking about this anymore, u'r just repeating your same arguement over and over
[10:48] <jeffco> i just downloaded Skpe for debian (a .deb file). How do i make it work?
[10:48] <nubious> k
[10:49] <nubious> I'm installing ubuntu in vmware
[10:49] <nubuntious> brb
[10:49] <nubuntious> switching to gnome
[10:49] <frogger^> it seems like alsa is loading the wrong driver. it should load the emu10k1 driver, but its loading a tritech driver. where and how can i change that?
[10:49] <shinu> revelater: i think my gmail doesnt work either... xD
[10:49] <revelater> yahoo works
[10:49] <goofrider_> cory, what do u want? disable graphical login and desktop altogether?
[10:49] <goofrider_> cory or just use a diffrent WM?
[10:49] <HappyFool> jeffco: you could try 'sudo dpkg -i <thedebfile>' in a terminal
[10:49] <shinu> damnit...
[10:50] <kestas> why would they have to support it if they offer the option to activate it?
[10:50] <revelater> shinu: its funny, i knew how to change the tabs a second ago....
[10:50] <shinu> revelater: does yahoo use any encrypted connections?
[10:50] <jeffco> happyfool, is there a way i could stick to the GUI?
[10:50] <shinu> xD
[10:50] <shinu> revelater: i just told you right?
[10:50] <revelater> shinu: only if you want it :P
[10:50] <revelater> shinu:  its not working
[10:50] <HappyFool> jeffco: i don't *think* deb's can be installed by double-clicking
[10:51] <jeffco> nomasteryoda, apparently it's an archive file.
[10:51] <HappyFool> jeffco: it's not hard though. Applications -> System Tools -> Terminal   gets you a terminal
[10:51] <revelater> shinu:  for that matter, the mouse quit working
[10:51] <HappyFool> then you just need to know where you saved the .deb file to
[10:51] <goofrider_> jeffco, can u please try not to download things on the web??
[10:51] <shinu> revelater: press m
[10:52] <goofrider_> jeffco, universe have 8,000 packages. U might find what u need there
[10:52] <jeffco> what's Universe?
[10:52] <kestas> :)
[10:52] <goofrider_> jeffco, please check the package manager for what u need first. It's your first day in linux. I really think u should stink to Ubuntu-supplied software for a week or 2
[10:52] <mindspin> look at your /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:53] <HappyFool> skype doesn't seem to be in universe/multiverse
[10:53] <jeffco> And I thought SKype is so good. Have you not heard about this VOIP program that lets us make free phone calls over the world?
[10:53] <bur[n] er> anyone know where the brown background comes from... right after gdm, right before nautilus
[10:53] <revelater> t still doesn't work...
[10:54] <jeffco> happyfool, in the terminal, don't i have to tell it where the file is located? how do i do so?
[10:54] <shinu> revelater: when you press "m" you should see a change at the bottom left....
[10:54] <goofrider_> oh skype is definitely NOT in universe
[10:54] <HappyFool> bur[n] er: at a guess it's a 'solid colour' background
[10:54] <HappyFool> set via desktop preferences, maybe
[10:54] <nevyn> HappyFool: that's cause it's not even remotly free software
[10:54] <revelater> shinu: yah, but pressing t doesn't help...
[10:54] <HappyFool> jeffco: type 'ls<enter>'
[10:55] <HappyFool> Nevyn: yeah, i wasn't surprised ;)
[10:55] <HappyFool> ah-ha, there's a skypehowto on the wiki
[10:55] <jeffco> it says desktop.
[10:55] <HappyFool> jeffco: do you see the .deb file listed there?
[10:55] <jeffco> nevyn, skype IS free software!
[10:56] <nevyn> no....
[10:56] <goofrider_> jeffco, "Free Software' = Free as in freedom/libre
[10:56] <nevyn> it's not.
[10:56] <jeffco> no the .deb file must be somewhere else.
[10:56] <kestas> free has a different meaning here jeffco
[10:56] <shinu> revelater: so the mouse works right?
[10:56] <goofrider_> "Free Software" is a specific term
[10:56] <jeffco> oh, i see.
[10:56] <HappyFool> jeffco: um, do you remember where you saved the deb file too?
[10:56] <goofrider_> jeffco, free (as in beer) software is not Free Software, it's Freeware
[10:56] <kestas> jeffco, ls Desktop
[10:56] <revelater> shinu: yah, but whats the point of a mouse...
[10:56] <HappyFool> jeffco: do you see it on your desktop as an icon, perhaps?
[10:56] <jeffco> /tmp/skype_1.1.0.3-1_i386.deb
[10:57] <nub_bbl> bah
[10:57] <shinu> revelater: whats your third option when you right-click
[10:57] <nub_bbl> vmware takes forever to allocate disk space
[10:57] <shinu> revelater: brb gonna make some noodles
[10:57] <revelater> shinu: i mean, we are dealing with a command line web browser XD
[10:57] <nub_bbl> haha
[10:57] <nub_bbl> skype sux0rs
[10:57] <nub_bbl> teamspeak
[10:57] <nub_bbl> all the wayu
[10:57] <nub_bbl> in fact
[10:57] <HappyFool> jeffco: ok, type 'sudo dpkg -i /tmp/skype_1.1.0.3-1_i386.deb'
[10:57] <nub_bbl> nubious.sytes.net:35001
[10:57] <nub_bbl> feel free
[10:58] <HappyFool> jeffco: you may want to read this as well: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto
[10:58] <jeffco> it's working!
[10:58] <Harnak> Is there a way to get the sound in linux to work much like windows where more than one app can access the sound device at a time.
[10:58] <HappyFool> it looks like skype conflicts with the sound system on ubuntu, and you might need to do some tweaking
[10:58] <jeffco> it said there were some dependency problems
[10:59] <nevyn> babylon-ware ?
[10:59] <trondd> Harnak: esd
[10:59] <goofrider_> jeffco, then u need to download those libaries using synaptic
[10:59] <jeffco> I'm willing to do some tweaking. Please teach a 3-hour newbie how to do so, please.
[10:59] <goofrider_> jeffco, read the link
[10:59] <nevyn> trondd: babylon-ware ?
[10:59] <jeffco> ok. I'll read it now.
[10:59] <Hoxzer^> can someone help me get my sounds working ?
[10:59] <HappyFool> jeffco: read  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto
[11:00] <john__> Hello!
[11:00] <HappyFool> jeffco: you need to install an extra package -- easy to do with synaptic
[11:00] <john__> Forgot my question..
[11:00] <jeffco> on the link it said "Then, you lauch Synaptic package manager for install the libqt3c102-mt package." what does it mean?
[11:00] <mindspin> what did you smoke john?
[11:00] <HappyFool> jeffco: System -> Administration -> Synaptic
[11:01] <frogger^> how do i reset the alsamixer settings?
[11:01] <trondd> nevyn: take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafari
[11:01] <HappyFool> jeffco: scroll the right-hand window and look for 'libqt...' (whatever the package was)
[11:01] <john__> what does the bash command in terminal?
[11:02] <shinu> revelater: shift + t should make something appear on the top
[11:02] <trondd> nevyn: software from evil corp. who want to control the free man!
[11:02] <mindspin> babylon is everywhere
[11:02] <HappyFool> john__: starts a new shell, in the same window
[11:03] <jeffco> that libqt... package is not in the list!
[11:03] <Hoxzer^> hi, guys I have problems with my sounds
[11:03] <HappyFool> doh
[11:03] <HappyFool> ok, click 'Settings -> Repositories'
[11:04] <revelater> shinu: yes it does, and i already got like ten things up there
[11:04] <jeffco> happyfool, okay. i'm in repositiories now.
[11:04] <john__> ok
[11:04] <shinu> revelater: so dont you just double click on the tab you want?
[11:04] <HappyFool> jeffco: ok, click add
[11:05] <jeffco> done.
[11:05] <revelater> shinu: no, i am trying to handle it all by command
[11:05] <fortran01> any ECS mobo recommendations for amd 64-bit?
[11:05] <HappyFool> jeffco: you should see a new window, 'Edit repository'
[11:05] <jeffco> happfool. yes. i see it
[11:05] <mindspin> ecs sucks in my eyes
[11:05] <shinu> revelater: oh... ^^' shouldve said that from the beginning.. :P
[11:05] <HappyFool> are 'Officially support' and 'Restricted copyright' ticked?
[11:06] <revelater> lol
[11:06] <jeffco> happyfool, no check marks. no.
[11:06] <HappyFool> jeffco: ok, click cancel
[11:06] <HappyFool> and cancel on the next window too
[11:06] <jeffco> oh, no. i'm soryy.
[11:06] <jeffco> i was wrong.
[11:06] <HappyFool> oh, hang on then
[11:06] <jeffco> YES. YES. they haev check marks.
[11:06] <jeffco> sorry.
[11:07] <HappyFool> heh
[11:07] <frogger^> has anone an idea how i could reset my sound mixer settings? PLEASE!
[11:07] <HappyFool> um, ok, click cancel
[11:07] <HappyFool> can click cancel again
[11:07] <Ashims> yoh
[11:07] <HappyFool> i mean, and click cancel again
[11:07] <revelater> shinu: nope, can't figure it out, i had it a little while ago, now i can't remember what i did...
[11:07] <HappyFool> hm
[11:08] <shinu> xD
[11:08] <Ashims> I need to move a... 9.2 gig file onto a... fat32 partition... whats the best way to do that in ubuntu?
[11:08] <goldfish> hmmmm
[11:08] <HappyFool> jeffco: you back at the main synaptic window?
[11:08] <goldfish> You might need to split it up.
[11:08] <jeffco> okay. I'm back to the synaptic main window now. yes.
[11:08] <Ashims> yeh
[11:08] <Ashims> I will
[11:08] <Ashims> fat32 only does 4 gig
[11:08] <Ashims> ish
[11:08] <goldfish> yup
[11:08] <revelater> Ashims: sudo rm -fs /*
[11:08] <HappyFool> ok, click "Reload"
[11:08] <revelater> kidding
[11:09] <Ashims> :p
[11:09] <revelater> don't do that
[11:09] <Ashims> I wont
[11:09] <jeffco> ok. reloaded.
[11:09] <goldfish> revelater: em, someone said that in here a couple of weeks ago, and a n00b ran it.
[11:09] <Ashims> ^_^'
[11:09] <goldfish> revelater: careful :)
[11:09] <revelater> LOL
[11:09] <revelater> ROFL
[11:09] <REds> nah 9.2 is too big for fat32
[11:09] <HappyFool> jeffco: is it downloading stuff?
[11:09] <goldfish> Ashims: you can split it up, and join it back with cat.
[11:09] <nubious> erm
[11:09] <REds> thats past its limit trondd Ashims
[11:09] <nubious> whats reload do?
[11:09] <jeffco> no. nothing is downloading.
[11:09] <goldfish> maybe
[11:09] <Ashims> remove, force, everything on from the root up
[11:09] <Ashims> yeh... thats a great idea :p
[11:10] <Ashims> how do I split it?
[11:10] <HappyFool> jeffco: sorry, missed that last bit
[11:10] <HappyFool> jeffco: look for the package again
[11:10] <goldfish> on linux ?
[11:10] <jeffco> organon, maybe it dowloaded it in ina second.
[11:10] <Ashims> mhmm
[11:10] <goldfish> Ashims: dd / split , on linux
[11:10] <revelater> Ashims: thats what i thought, but apperantly some people don't appreciate my geniouse :P XD
[11:11] <jeffco> package is still not here.
[11:11] <HappyFool> hrm
[11:11] <Ashims> excelent
[11:11] <Ashims> this split thing is just what I needeed
[11:11] <jeffco> maybe the filename is not libqt... maybe that webpage is outdated???
[11:11] <HappyFool> *confusion*
[11:12] <Ashims> I was gonna resort to like... archiving it...
[11:12] <Ashims> and splitting it that way
[11:12] <goldfish> heh
[11:12] <Ashims> but... its from an ntfs partition... so its slow
[11:12] <goldfish> It is handy.
[11:12] <Ashims> (I'm trying to get rid of my old ntfs in a reinstall 2nite)
[11:12] <Ashims> :p
[11:12] <jeffco> forgot what i said.
[11:12] <Ashims> (yay for doing away with windows for good!)
[11:12] <HappyFool> jeffco: no, it's right
[11:12] <jeffco> but where is that libqt package, then?
[11:13] <frogger^> where are the alsa mixer settings located? i need to reset those settings.
[11:13] <HappyFool> jeffco: hang on
[11:13] <Ashims> does split drop the output in the directory you run it in?
[11:13] <revelater> Ashims: sudo rm -fd :C/*
[11:13] <revelater> :P
[11:14] <Ashims> whats :C/
[11:14] <Ashims> ?
[11:14] <HappyFool> jeffco: click search
[11:14] <jeffco> okay, done.
[11:14] <bur[n] er> has anyone tried to use rhtymbox within xfce??
[11:14] <revelater> Ashims: winbloze :P
[11:14] <mindspin> I'm using kubuntu and on my nachine libqt is here
[11:14] <revelater> Ashims: it wouldn't actaully work though
[11:14] <HappyFool> type 'libqt3c102-mt' and press enter
[11:15] <HappyFool> any luck?
[11:15] <Yvonne> frogger^: type "alsamixer" in your terminal
[11:15] <nubious> Yvonne: where are the settings though?
[11:15] <jeffco> no.
[11:15] <we2by> when installing Ubuntu, does the setup give me the chance to partition my hd myself?
[11:15] <klaas> yes, i think so
[11:15] <bur[n] er> we2by: ye
[11:15] <goldfish> yep
[11:15] <trondd> bur[n] er: think so
[11:15] <jeffco> i googled the package name. first link is http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libqt3c102-mt
[11:15] <bur[n] er> trondd: any success?
[11:15] <HappyFool> jeffco: hm
[11:16] <HappyFool> jeffco: no, don't download that ;)
[11:16] <liable> jeffco: dont use debian .debs
[11:16] <trondd> bur[n] er: shouldn't be a problem, I've used it in flux and open box
[11:16] <jeffco> okay. will not download it.
[11:16] <klaas> hello, i'm just finished with installing totem-xine, i'm trying to open an .wmv file, I also tried the w23codecs
[11:16] <klaas> but it won't play
[11:17] <HappyFool> jeffco: let's go look at your repository settings again
[11:17] <Ashims> wmv is an ass
[11:17] <Ashims> on linux
[11:17] <HappyFool> jeffco: 'Settings -> Repositories'
[11:17] <Ashims> its a stupid format
[11:17] <jeffco> okay.
[11:17] <Ashims> no-one likes it
[11:17] <Ashims> it should die.
[11:17] <klaas> I know, but i need to open it
[11:17] <klaas> it's from easter eggs , family reunion
[11:17] <Ashims> you could try downloading more up to date wmv codecs from microsoft
[11:18] <HappyFool> jeffco: what do you see there?
[11:18] <Ashims> but I wouldn't hold my breath
[11:18] <Ashims> the best you can do is probably the mplayer codec pack
[11:18] <Ashims> and its not all encompassing
[11:18] <klaas> ohhh
[11:18] <jeffco> it says CD Ubuntu 5.04 Hoardy hedgehog (binary)
[11:18] <jeffco> officilaly supported.
[11:18] <jeffco> Restricted copyright.
[11:18] <klaas> mplayer codec pack? by internet or by synaptic?
[11:18] <jeffco> What _should_ i see?
[11:19] <liable> klaas: w32codecs, from nerim
[11:19] <klaas> already installed that
[11:19] <HappyFool> jeffco: we need a network entry too
[11:19] <mindspin> eb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[11:19] <mindspin> deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[11:19] <jeffco> what's a network entry for?
[11:19] <mindspin> and so on..
[11:19] <hey2k5> hey guys, installing a ubuntu live cd to harddrive, is it possible?
[11:20] <jeffco> i thought we needed the libqt package?
[11:20] <klaas> with what command do i see wich x86 I have?
[11:20] <HappyFool> to get software off the net
[11:20] <jeffco> okay.
[11:20] <HappyFool> jeffco: yeah, you need to get it off the net
[11:20] <mindspin> its not on your cd
[11:20] <jeffco> you mean we can't just download stuff from a webbrowser?
[11:20] <mindspin> it's on the net
[11:20] <HappyFool> just a moment
[11:20] <HappyFool> jeffco: using synaptic is better
[11:21] <mindspin> not via browser
[11:21] <klaas> with what command do i see wich x86 I have? it' something with the terminal
[11:21] <liable> klaas: sudo cat /proc/cpuinfo
[11:21] <YuWei> hi, what should i do to mount .bin and .cue cd image?
[11:21] <jeffco> okay. i see.
[11:21] <liable> YuWei: there nero arent they?
[11:22] <YuWei> i just download the image from internet
[11:22] <Bramme> resolved the first problem, beginning to understand ubuntu a bit... but why won't XMMS play with alsa, while XMMS on debian did ?
[11:22] <YuWei> i don't knoe
[11:22] <klaas> no liable
[11:22] <klaas> i mean
[11:22] <klaas> i486
[11:22] <klaas> i586 / 686
[11:22] <jeffco> happyfool, are you there?
[11:23] <HappyFool> jeffco: yeah, just testing something before i tell you ;)
[11:23] <HappyFool> ah-ha
[11:23] <HappyFool> jeffco: all you see in that list is the "CD entry", right?
[11:23] <jeffco> yes.
[11:24] <HappyFool> "CD Ubuntu 5.04 ... "
[11:24] <liable> klaas: look in /var/log/kern.log
[11:24] <jeffco> yes. only that.
[11:24] <jeffco> nothing else.
[11:24] <HappyFool> ok, cool
[11:24] <HappyFool> click Add
[11:24] <jeffco> done.
[11:24] <HappyFool> you clicked Add ?
[11:24] <we2by> can you compile thigns in ubuntu too?
[11:24] <jeffco> yes.
[11:25] <jeffco> now i am in "edit repostitor..." window/box.
[11:25] <liable> we2by: of course
[11:25] <mindspin> web2by yes but be careful
[11:25] <Choubaka> compiling is not recommended though.
[11:25] <Choubaka> Especially kernels. :P
[11:25] <we2by> why not?
[11:25] <HappyFool> ok, the new window should say Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog"
[11:25] <Choubaka> we2by: well, you need some experience.
[11:25] <Choubaka> so to not mess up things.
[11:26] <HappyFool> jeffco: and 'Officially supported' and 'Restricted copyright' should be ticked
[11:26] <we2by> what if an app I need, is not in the repo's?
[11:26] <we2by> and is only available in source?
[11:26] <HappyFool> jeffco: click 'OK' -- i was wrong before telling you to click 'Cancel'
[11:26] <jeffco> okay. both had checkmarks. then i clicked "ok." now i see CD Ubuntu and Ubuntu in "Software Sources"
[11:26] <HappyFool> jeffco: it should return to the previous window, and you should see a new entry in the list
[11:27] <Bramme> and why can't i run alsaconf ?
[11:27] <we2by> what if an app I need, is not in the repo's?
[11:27] <Bramme> while alsa-utils is installed
[11:27] <we2by> and is only available in source?
[11:27] <HappyFool> ok, i recommend adding security-updates too
[11:27] <HappyFool> would you like to do that, or skip it ?
[11:27] <mindspin> then compile it but be careful
[11:27] <we2by> becarefull with what
[11:27] <jeffco> okay. let's do it.
[11:27] <petterah> to get window borders/shaddow, what do i have to do? enable some extention in xorg.conf? is that all?
[11:28] <jeffco> I'm not sure why, but it sounds good.
[11:28] <HappyFool> jeffco: ok, click Add again
[11:28] <trondd> petterah: you have to use xcompmgr
[11:28] <jeffco> okay.
[11:28] <mindspin> where to install, dependencies etc.
[11:28] <we2by> petterah, is is the composite extention
[11:28] <jeffco> then i choose "security updates" right?
[11:28] <nubious> trondd: where's that in gnome?
[11:28] <HappyFool> yeah
[11:28] <HappyFool> click OK again
[11:28] <nubious> trondd: the xcompmgr - I just tried running from a term window and nothin
[11:28] <jeffco> gotcha.
[11:28] <HappyFool> and you should see a new entry in the list
[11:29] <HappyFool> 'Security updates'
[11:29] <jeffco> yes, now there are three entries in the list
[11:29] <HappyFool> you can also add updates if you want, but later (I have to go soon ;)
[11:29] <trondd> nubious: you have to enable the composite extention in xorg.conf
[11:29] <HappyFool> click ok now
[11:29] <HappyFool> now it should do some downloading
[11:29] <jeffco> yes.
[11:29] <petterah> we2by, thanks :D
[11:29] <HappyFool> it'll ask you if you want to update now
[11:29] <HappyFool> say yes
[11:30] <jeffco> done
[11:30] <trondd> nubious: take a look at this: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Transparency
[11:30] <HappyFool> anyway, that libqt<whatever> pacakge should be there now
[11:30] <jeffco> yes. it 's here
[11:30] <kestas> xcompmgr -c -C
[11:30] <michel> ubuntu and openmosix howto?
[11:30] <nubious> trondd: is it kde only?
[11:30] <nubious> trondd: I dont see any mention of gnome in there
[11:30] <HappyFool> jeffco: woohoo!
[11:31] <mindspin> haha
[11:31] <jeffco> Happyfool, Yahooo!!!!
[11:31] <HappyFool> jeffco: right-click and select 'Mark for installation'
[11:31] <HappyFool> jeffco: then click apply at the top
[11:31] <HappyFool> jeffco: you can use the 'Mark all upgrades' to get all security-fixes etc, but later
[11:31] <trondd> nubious: it doesn't mather which wm you use. The X server handles the shadows
[11:32] <HappyFool> anyway, you should be able to install the Skype .deb file now, using the 'sudo dpkg -i' command from before
[11:32] <nubious> ahh ok
[11:32] <nubious> fmi whats a Gentoo?
[11:32] <nubious> :)
[11:32] <HappyFool> jeffco: and check that web-page re sound setup
[11:32] <HappyFool> i must be off now. good luck.
[11:32] <trondd> nubious: A gentoo is a penguin (and a linux distro)
[11:32] <nubious> ahh ok
[11:32] <jeffco> happyfool, thank you very much!!!!!!!
[11:32] <nubious> now this emerge command it tells me to do
[11:32] <nubious> that's not workin in my term
[11:32] <nubious> I would assume that's the equiv of apt-get?
[11:33] <nubious> in ubuntu?
[11:33] <nubious> or
[11:33] <nubious> do I apt-get install emerge first?
[11:33] <jeffco> happyfool, you are such a great help!
[11:33] <revelater> shinu: lol, its esc then t
[11:33] <flipy> is there any program to make an stress test to a hard disk?
[11:33] <trondd> nubious: no, apt-get is similar to emerge
[11:33] <revelater> well, now i should sleep on it, gnight all
[11:33] <nubious> ok
[11:34] <trondd> nubious: But the changes you need to do xorg.conf are the same on gentoo and ubuntu
[11:34] <nubious> hmmm
[11:34] <nubious> I can't do the ermege commands tho
[11:34] <nubious> via apt-get
[11:35] <trondd> nubious: you dont need emerge
[11:35] <nubious> ok
[11:35] <nubious> done
[11:35] <nubious> edited my conf file
[11:35] <nubious> now restart my session I would assume?
[11:36] <jeffco> mindspin, i'm in the terminal, but when i typed "sudo dpkg --install /tmp/skype_1.1.0.3-1_i386.deb"      it says "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process"
[11:36] <jeffco> what's wrong?
[11:36] <nubious> jeffco: do you have synaptic open?
[11:36] <jeffco> yes.
[11:36] <nubious> close it and try again
[11:36] <trondd> nubious: just restart X (log out and press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace)
[11:36] <jeffco> nubious, it works.
[11:36] <nubious> damn, look at me go
[11:36] <mindspin> then dpkg is running and not finished
[11:37] <jeffco> ha ha!
[11:37] <nubious> a week ago I didn't know the apt-get command
[11:37] <nubious> :D
[11:37] <jeffco> Do I need to know about apt-get command?
[11:37] <nubious> haha
[11:37] <nubious> yeah
[11:37] <nubious> think of apt-get as a way to install things via command line
[11:37] <trondd> jeffco: no, you could just use synaptic
[11:37] <nubious> well
[11:37] <nubious> you could use synaptic
[11:37] <nubious> true
[11:37] <mindspin> its synaptic from command line
[11:38] <nubious> I'm all about command line tho
[11:38] <nubious> I miss the days of DOS
[11:38] <trondd> jeffco: but eventually you will end up on the command line, whether you like it or not :)
[11:38] <c0nqvistad0r> how to install flashplayer and java in amd64?
[11:38] <nubious> :)
[11:39] <mindspin> jeffco and you'll get used to the command line
[11:39] <trondd> and then you start dreaming of it...
[11:39] <nubious> ahahah
[11:39] <nubious> maaaan
[11:40] <nubious> if you guys have a choice
[11:40] <nubious> stay away from World of Warcraft
[11:40] <nubious> I know most of you prolly aren't gamers
[11:40] <nubious> but holy crap
[11:40] <nubious> that games addictive
[11:40] <kestas> I dont have a choice
[11:40] <nubious> I had a dream about it the other day
[11:40] <nubious> oh man
[11:40] <trondd> I dreamt about ubuntu the other day after installing it on 4 machines the same day...
[11:40] <nubious> hahah
[11:40] <nubious> I'm just installing it in vmware right now
[11:41] <nubious> I have it running on my other computer too
[11:41] <nubious> hopefully that doesn't happen to me
[11:41] <jeffco> mindspin, actually I'd rather do things without using command lines. Is there a way to just click stuff and have nice cute graphics?
[11:41] <mindspin> jeffco: what do you see if you type sudo ps ax on your termnal?
[11:41] <mindspin> yep, xp
[11:42] <jeffco> mindspin, i see  PID TTY      STAT   TIME COMMAND
[11:42] <jeffco> why?
[11:42] <jeffco> i see a lot of text.
[11:42] <mindspin> mh
[11:43] <jeffco> what's "mh"?
[11:43] <mindspin> it lists you the processes
[11:43] <jeffco> okay. why do i want to know the processes?
[11:43] <mindspin> and you can see wether dpkg is still running or not
[11:44] <goldfish> ps aux | grep dpkg
[11:44] <goldfish> or something
[11:44] <mindspin> good one
[11:44] <jeffco> okay. gotcha.
[11:50] <CaptainCavern> Hi, Can I get back to an previous libc6 version ?
[11:50] <CaptainCavern> Hoary
[11:51] <Hoxzer^> Hi, any ideas how I can connect Nokia Phone to the Linux PC ?
[11:51] <CaptainCavern> at this time I have libc6 from debian unstable .... oups
[11:51] <CaptainCavern> and my locale does not work... of course
[11:51] <kestas> cant you uninstall the debian unstable one and install the hoary one?
[11:52] <goldfish> Hoxzer^: What phone?
[11:52] <CaptainCavern> no, problem of reverse dependencies
[11:52] <kestas> you play with matches you get burned :P
[11:53] <CaptainCavern> yes I know
[11:53] <kestas> HTH :)
[11:53] <goldfish> Hoxzer^: http://www.physiol.usyd.edu.au/daved/linux/gsm-modem.html
[11:53] <goldfish> might help
[11:53] <CaptainCavern> but it is not my fault ...
[11:53] <CaptainCavern> last gngeo package (from debian unstable) install it
[11:53] <Hoxzer^> Godfish: 6630
[11:53] <CaptainCavern> i didn't see it
[11:54] <goldfish> hmmm
[11:54] <goldfish> You could try running Nokia Pc Suite through wine :)
[11:54] <Hoxzer^> yeah I think so
[11:55] <goldfish> might be messy with the infrared and stuff though
[11:55] <Hoxzer^> I use USB cable
[11:56] <CaptainCavern> it's dead so ?
[11:56] <CaptainCavern> lol
[11:58] <CaptainCavern> that is dead ? I can't return with previous libc6 ?
[11:59] <nubious> how do I go about changing my gnome resolution?
[11:59] <nubious> can I do it within the gui or do I gotta edit a conf file?
[11:59] <kestas> CaptainCavern, what happens if you try to install the hoary glibc?
[12:00] <nubious> nevermind
[12:00] <nubious> found it
[12:00] <kestas> nubious, System>Preferences>Screen Resolution
[12:00] <nubious> thx kestas
[12:00] <CaptainCavern> i'm testing
[12:00] <Bramme> where can i apt-get fonts like arial?
[12:00] <nubious> oh noes!
[12:00] <nubious> I broke it
[12:00] <nubious> turned the refresh up too high
[12:00] <nubious> hmm
[12:01] <nubious> wtf
[12:01] <nubious> when I change it
[12:01] <nubious> it messes up the scanlines
[12:01] <nubious> interesting
[12:01] <kestas> Bramme, msttcorefonts
[12:01] <nubious> using vmware
[12:01] <renato_> Does anyone have problems the microphone with a Asus A8N-e? The front panel mic input doesn't work
[12:01] <CaptainCavern> if i force version in synaptic, synaptic does not want to downgrade
[12:03] <CaptainCavern> i think it doesn't find the goods dependencies (reverse)
[12:03] <Bramme> kestas, E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate
[12:04] <goofrider_> CaptainCavern, u'll need to force version on dependancies as well
[12:04] <kestas> you got universe?
[12:04] <goofrider_> CaptainCavern, there's a force-dependacy options in apt-get i think (i can be wrog though)
[12:04] <CaptainCavern> I'm trying via apt ...
[12:06] <goofrider_> CaptainCavern, check the --force options.
[12:06] <CaptainCavern> while this time, ... waht do you think about this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1074 ?
[12:06] <CaptainCavern> please suggest
[12:06] <we2by> hwat is the Ubuntu addons?
[12:06] <we2by> what are they?
[12:06] <renato123> Does anyone have problems the microphone in an NFORCE4 motherboard? The front panel doesn't work ...
[12:06] <nubious> renato123: front panel?  the motherboard ports to the back - you got your patch cable plugged in?
[12:07] <nubious> renato123: sorry if that's a stupid question
[12:07] <Burgundavia> CaptainCavern, is that yours?
[12:07] <CaptainCavern> yes, for mascot competion
[12:07] <Burgundavia> CaptainCavern, very nice
[12:08] <CaptainCavern> it's a WIP
[12:08] <CaptainCavern> thx
[12:08] <renato123> nubious, no problem. My motherboard has two. On Windows everything is fine. The motherboard automatically detects which input I use.
[12:08] <nubious> hmmm
[12:08] <nubious> I dunno then man.. sry
[12:08] <renato123> nubious, thx anyway
[12:08] <nubious> no problem
[12:09] <nubious> k guys - apparently when you swap screen resolutions in vmware it goes buggy and the scanlines get messed - is there a config I can alter via a term session then just reboot?
[12:11] <CaptainCavern> how i can select version of packages to install via apt ?
[12:11] <kestas> why not try removing debian unstable from the list
[12:11] <CaptainCavern> by the name of package ?
[12:11] <kestas> and setting the prefered repository in synaptic
[12:11] <kestas> to ubuntu-hoary
[12:11] <CaptainCavern> yes good idea
[12:12] <CaptainCavern> for prefered repository, it's done
[12:12] <CaptainCavern> but dont work
[12:12] <CaptainCavern> doesn'
[12:14] <CaptainCavern> hum, synaptic want to remove a lot of important package ... of course ;)
[12:15] <CaptainCavern> I will read manpage of apt
[12:16] <soda> Hello
[12:22] <aroman> hello
[12:22] <aroman> is there a network-install disk for ubuntu?
[12:22] <Choubaka> Hmm, no.
[12:22] <aroman> or, is there a way to directly install hoary from a warty installation cd?
[12:23] <Choubaka> yes.
[12:23] <aroman> how, then?
[12:23] <Choubaka> just specify the repository manually
[12:23] <Choubaka> and change warty to hoary.
[12:23] <Burgundavia> aroman, install warty then upgrade
[12:23] <aroman> I ran out of cds :$ and I only have the old warty cd..
[12:23] <Choubaka> or are you running warty now?
[12:23] <aroman> Choubaka: nope..
[12:23] <aroman> on Gentoo, but I'm sick of it..
[12:23] <Choubaka> hehe :P
[12:23] <Choubaka> well, you could install warty and upgrade.
[12:24] <Choubaka> it will be double the downloading though.
[12:24] <aroman> all right.. I'll install warty then upgrade... worked flawlessly on my parents' pc
[12:24] <Choubaka> But it's the easiest way to not fuck up things :)
[12:24] <aroman> yeah that's what I fear...
[12:24] <aroman> the double download, that is
[12:24] <Choubaka> what connection do you have?
[12:24] <aroman> not the f up part..
[12:24] <aroman> dsl..
[12:24] <aroman> it's fast, but still a shitload to download..
[12:24] <Choubaka> how fast?
[12:24] <aroman> cap at 312KB/s
[12:24] <Choubaka> only ~200 MB :/
[12:25] <Choubaka> That won't take any time at all :P
[12:25] <aroman> for the base system?
[12:25] <nubious> I get 2.5 mbit's down on my dsl
[12:25] <Choubaka> for ~all of it.
[12:25] <aroman> all right... I'll install warty
[12:25] <Choubaka> might be 300 MB too
[12:25] <aroman> then I'll follow the upgrade guide and upgrade..
[12:25] <Choubaka> but with your DSL that's just ~30 minutes
[12:25] <aroman> all right...
[12:25] <aroman> be back later then :)
[12:26] <Choubaka> I have a cap at 200 kB/s  ;P
[12:26] <DanielN> hi
[12:27] <Choubaka> and I used to run sid with a 256 kbps conn :(
[12:27] <nubious> yeh I pay extra for a business connection
[12:27] <DanielN> how can I build the Packages.gz for apt-reposiroties with ubuntu?
[12:27] <Choubaka> now _that_ was slow.
[12:27] <nubious> 2.5 down and 1 mbit up
[12:27] <Choubaka> DanielN: hm?
[12:27] <Choubaka> you mean apt-get update?
[12:27] <DanielN> no
[12:27] <DanielN> I want to set up a repository for backports
[12:28] <Choubaka> or do you have self-build repositories?
[12:28] <Choubaka> build*
[12:28] <Choubaka> built*!!!!
[12:28] <Bramme> can i just add debian package-sites to my apt/sources.list?
[12:28] <Choubaka> yes.
[12:28] <Choubaka> err, wait
[12:28] <Choubaka> That's not recommended. :<
[12:28] <DanielN> Choubaka, what is with dpkg-scanpackages ?
[12:28] <misieq> hi there!
[12:28] <goofrider_> Bramme, no no, not the regular DEbian repo
[12:28] <Choubaka> You can add and use the Debian sources repository safely.
[12:29] <goofrider_> Bramme, 3rd-party small DEbian repos, yes (with great care)
[12:29] <Choubaka> if you know hwo to use it :)
[12:29] <DanielN> err
[12:29] <misieq> i've just set up my new ubuntu installation and i wonder if there is any bluetooth app which i could use to connect with my mobile?
[12:29] <DanielN> can't find any dpkg-scanpackages in ubuntu
[12:29] <goofrider_> Bramme, the regular Debian distro repo, NO  NO NO unless u know about pin-priorities and be VERY VERY VERY careful
[12:29] <Bramme> goofrider_, but progs like QTParted and bluefish are not included in ubuntu-packages
[12:29] <DanielN> sure
[12:30] <DanielN> they are
[12:30] <Choubaka> goofrider_: the sources are safe to use though :)
[12:30] <Hoxzer^> somebody here know how to connect nokia phone (6630) to the Ubuntu linux PC
[12:30] <Choubaka> goofrider_: since they'll be compiled against ubuntu's libs.
[12:30] <goofrider_> Bramme, they should be in universe, if not, don't at the Debian repo unless u use pin-priority
[12:31] <Choubaka> or compile from the sources :)
[12:31] <DanielN> they are in universe
[12:31] <Burgundavia> Bramme, they are in universe
[12:31] <Bramme> let's hope so
[12:31] <Bramme> or i'll go back to debian
[12:31] <DanielN> err
[12:31] <misieq> is there any app i could use to use my bluetooth dongle?
[12:31] <goofrider_> Choubaka, yes. But it's not something u tell n00bs. Cuz they'll just go, oh kewl, add stable and unstable and tsting and their system blows up from incompats
[12:31] <DanielN> where's the development channel of ubuntu?
[12:31] <CaptainCavern> thanx to all, it works !!
[12:31] <Choubaka> goofrider_: :DD
[12:32] <CaptainCavern> apt-get install libc6=2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 libc6-dev=2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 libc6-i686=2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[12:32] <Choubaka> I sometimes forget about newbies.
[12:32] <Burgundavia> DanielN, -devel
[12:32] <DanielN> thx
[12:32] <Choubaka> I once upgraded Debian sarge to Ubuntu.
[12:32] <Choubaka> That was a mess.
[12:32] <CaptainCavern> and I had to reinstall locales and language pack
[12:33] <CaptainCavern> thx again
[12:33] <goofrider_> Choubaka, I have all 3 Debian repos in my sources.list, but u shouls see my /etc/apt/preferences
[12:33] <Choubaka> Hah.
[12:33] <Hoxzer^> aargh does synaptic has all the latest versions of the sotwares ?
[12:33] <Choubaka> I don't have the debian repos. I have only the sources. :)
[12:33] <Choubaka> Hoxzer^: not the latest
[12:34] <Choubaka> Why do you require the bleeding edge?
[12:34] <Hoxzer^> aargh D:A::ZD
[12:34] <misieq> does anybody know how can make use of my bluetooth??
[12:34] <goofrider_> Choubaka, if u upgrade Sarge to Hoary, pinning hoary to 1001 then upgrade might fix the problems
[12:34] <Hoxzer^> can somebody kill Jorma Ollila
[12:34] <Choubaka> Why ? :D
[12:34] <Hoxzer^> couse Nokia do not make softwares for linux
[12:34] <Choubaka> :P
[12:35] <Choubaka> What software is there that you require the latest version of?
[12:35] <Bramme> why have the ubuntu-makers disabled the 'properties' option in the context-menu of the gnome-menu ??
[12:35] <Bramme> :s
[12:35] <Choubaka> have ubuntu-devs done that?
[12:35] <Bramme> here they did :p
[12:35] <Choubaka> what if it was done by gnome devs? :P
[12:36] <Bramme> than the gnome-devs suck :p
[12:36] <Bramme> where has that menu gone ??
[12:36] <adrian_> hey
[12:36] <Bramme> is gnome taken over by bill gates ?
[12:36] <Choubaka> Bramme: Use xfce4!1
[12:36] <Dave2|Laptop> Is Ubuntu applying security patches to Firefox, but not bumping the version number or something?
[12:37] <adrian_> someone knows to use aircrack? i wanna get the wep key
[12:37] <Choubaka> Dave2|Laptop: yes.
[12:37] <Dave2|Laptop> That's annoying
[12:37] <adrian_> someone knows to do it?
[12:37] <Burgundavia> Bramme, you mean right clicking?
[12:37] <HappyFool> Bramme: had a look at this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo ?
[12:37] <Dave2|Laptop> Mozilla Update is locking out pre-1.0.4 Firefoxes
[12:37] <Burgundavia> Dave2|Laptop, there is a fix incoming for that
[12:37] <Dave2|Laptop> ah, good
[12:38] <Dave2|Laptop> Also my "Find New Updates" screen is borked, but I'm guessing that's a dodgy extension I have.
[12:38] <Choubaka> Dave2|Laptop: notice it's it's 1.0.2-0ubuntu5 :)
[12:38] <adrian_> someone here knows to get the wep key of wireless?
[12:38] <Choubaka> so they do not bump the version, but the revision
[12:38] <adrian_> pls
[12:38] <Dave2|Laptop> Choubaka, yeah, I noticed it was downloading new versions, so I thought it was probably that.
[12:38] <Dave2|Laptop> adrian_, go to the AP config screen and read it :P
[12:38] <Burgundavia> Dave2|Laptop, they have fixed up to 1.0.3 equiv
[12:39] <adrian_> whats that?
[12:39] <Choubaka> Burgundavia: didn't they fix up to 1.0.4 recently?
[12:40] <jeffco> hi
[12:40] <jeffco> hello
[12:40] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, the 1.0.4 equiv stuff isn't out yet, I don't think
[12:40] <spiral> when should this be released ?
[12:40] <jeffco> I can't seem to get sounds working on Firefox. Sounds work in CDplayer and system sounds, though. Please help.
[12:40] <adrian_> mm i think dave2 doesn't know do it, Bye
[12:40] <jeffco> anyone...
[12:41] <jeffco> h
[12:41] <Dave2|Laptop> jeffco, what sounds?
[12:41] <Burgundavia> jeffco, you talking flash?
[12:41] <jeffco> well, no sound on websites.
[12:41] <ivoks> hi
[12:41] <jeffco> Yes, flash, macromedia, etc.
[12:41] <Dave2|Laptop> hey
[12:41] <Dave2|Laptop> Sounds like an OSS vs. ALSA problem, potentially?
[12:41] <Choubaka> jeffco: change the value in /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc to "esddsp"
[12:42] <Choubaka> if you're running esd.
[12:42] <jeffco> okay, quick: name me a website that uses sounds, and i can try again.
[12:42] <Dave2|Laptop> http://www.homestarrunner.com/
[12:42] <goofrider_> Dave2|Laptop, haha good one
[12:42] <Choubaka> The flashplugin needs to be redone -_-
[12:42] <jeffco> yes homestar runner has no sounds.
[12:42] <Choubaka> completely.
[12:43] <Choubaka> did you restart firefox?
[12:43] <jeffco> choubaka, how do i change the value as you advised? (I'm a 1day newbie to ubuntu).
[12:43] <Choubaka> sudo nano /the/path/to/file
[12:44] <Choubaka> the flashplugin still wants OSS :(
[12:44] <Choubaka> and it doesn't work without wrappers.
[12:44] <jeffco> you lost me in your last 3 sentences, choubaka.
[12:44] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, flashplugin works fine for me, with a default setup, just one tweak to make
[12:45] <jeffco> so where is the file? How do I figure it out
[12:45] <jeffco> ?
[12:45] <Choubaka> jeffco: I told you :P
[12:45] <Choubaka> 13:41 < Choubaka> jeffco: change the value in /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc to "esddsp"
[12:45] <jeffco>  /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc?
[12:45] <jeffco> How do i know if I'm running esd?
[12:45] <jeffco> What's esd, in the first place?
[12:46] <nubious> HAH
[12:46] <ejd> Is there anything special about the user account created during the install of ubuntu? Can I remove the user account and files etc. and recreate it fine?
[12:46] <nubious> ubuntu comes with john
[12:46] <nubious> thats awesome
[12:46] <goofrider_> john?
[12:47] <nubious> it's for cracking password files
[12:47] <nubious> well
[12:47] <nubious> pardon me
[12:47] <nubious> it doesn't come with it
[12:47] <goofrider_> nubious, there's an ntpasswd craker as well
[12:47] <nubious> but it's listed in synaptic
[12:47] <jeffco> choubaka, you said /the/path/to/file, but what's the path to the file?
[12:47] <nubious> nice!
[12:47] <Choubaka> jeffco: /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc :P
[12:47] <nubious> I'm a little lost with my network setup on this machien tho
[12:47] <nubious> like
[12:47] <nubious> I'm using ubuntu now in vmware on my windows machine
[12:47] <nubious> but for some reason I can't ssh to myself
[12:47] <nubious> from windows into vmware
[12:47] <nubious> I'm wondering if it's because of the loopback issue
[12:48] <nubious> or how it works
[12:48] <ivoks> nubious that's vmware related
[12:48] <nubious> yeah I thought so
[12:48] <nubious> hmm
[12:48] <nubious> ntpasswd tho hey?
[12:48] <nubious> I'll try that from my dedicated install
[12:48] <jeffco> don't i need to know whether I'm running ESD first?
[12:48] <jeffco> choubaka?
[12:49] <HappyFool> jeffco: esd is the sound daemon (="manager", roughly); you're probably running it if you're running gnome
[12:49] <jeffco> okay.
[12:49] <HappyFool> at a terminal type 'ps -A|grep esd'
[12:49] <Choubaka> jeffco: ps -A|grep esd
[12:49] <Choubaka> :)
[12:49] <goofrider_> nubious, would it be a problem with XP's firewall?
[12:50] <jeffco> So in the terminal, I type "sudo nano  /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc"? or what?
[12:51] <HappyFool> that should work
[12:51] <jeffco> 24201 ?        00:00:00 esd
[12:51] <Choubaka> Hmm.translated to english: show All ProceSsess and PIPE the output to Gnu Regular Expression Processor (which will search for "esd")
[12:51] <k31th> anyone know a program in ubuntu archives that will unrar .rar files ?
[12:51] <Choubaka> rar
[12:51] <goofrider_> nubious, u can also try specialized live cd like Helix. It's a linux live cd for cracking, heuristics and forensics
[12:51] <Choubaka> :)
[12:51] <HappyFool> jeffco: that tells you that you are running esd
[12:52] <k31th> rar is not there Choubaka
[12:52] <HappyFool> jeffco: if the command had output nothing, esd would not have been running (grep is a text-search utility)
[12:52] <Choubaka> k31th: it's in multiverse
[12:52] <goofrider_> nubious, there are several live cds specialize for that. with tcpdump and nmap and all those other goodies as well
[12:52] <Choubaka> you need to add the repository.
[12:52] <nubious> bah
[12:52] <nubious> I'm too busy playing ksnakerace
[12:52] <nubious> :D
[12:53] <k31th> Choubaka:  adding now
[12:53] <jeffco> okay so i typed in sudo nano  /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc, it brought me to a new screen. how exactly do I change to ""esddsp"?
[12:53] <goofrider_> nubious, boot the live cd in ANOTER vmware session  :P
[12:53] <Choubaka> jeffco: you're in an text editor
[12:53] <jeffco> yes, i am.
[12:53] <goofrider_> ANOTHER
[12:53] <nubious> ahahhaah
[12:53] <nubious> nice
[12:53] <Choubaka> use the arrow keys and backspace and keyboard :)
[12:53] <nubious> I'm afraid the nat translation'll screw up tho
[12:53] <Choubaka> then you can exit with ctrl-X
[12:53] <goofrider_> vmware is fun.. if u got the RAM
[12:53] <k31th> Choubaka: installed :D thanks
[12:53] <HappyFool> use the cursor keys and BACKSPACE and type whatever's needed
[12:54] <jeffco> it says "FIREFOX_DSP="auto"
[12:54] <Choubaka> jeffco: Oh. Also make sure you have the esound-clients package installed.
[12:54] <Choubaka> yes
[12:54] <k31th> Choubaka:  does it have a gui, i need to unrar a bunch of files
[12:54] <Choubaka> change it to FIREFOX_DSP="esddsp"
[12:54] <Choubaka> k31th: the archiver program should be able to handle rar now.
[12:55] <k31th> Choubaka:  great stuff
[12:55] <jeffco> okay done.
[12:55] <HappyFool> what's the difference (in the repositories) between hoary, hoary-updates and hoary-security ?
[12:55] <jeffco> Now how do i know if i have the  esound-clients package installed?
[12:55] <Choubaka> jeffco: try installing it :)
[12:55] <HappyFool> look in synaptic
[12:55] <Choubaka> sudo apt-get install esound-clients
[12:56] <Choubaka> or use synaptic :D
[12:56] <HappyFool> start synaptic and look through the list -- if it has a green square icon, it's installed
[12:56] <jeffco> okay i did "sudo apt-get install esound-clients" in terminal.
[12:57] <Choubaka> HappyFool: Hoary has the core packages and does not get updates. security updates go to hoary-security, and bigger (version/usability) upgrades go to hoary-updates
[12:57] <HappyFool> Choubaka: so there *are* upgrades to packages in hoary ?
[12:58] <Choubaka> yes.
[12:58] <Choubaka> some.
[12:58] <HappyFool> is there a web-page or something where i can read about this?
[12:58] <Choubaka> mostly only critical usability flaws etc.
[12:58] <kimppa> Hello. I'm trying to install amarok on my ubuntu, however I'm missing ALOT of dependencies. I was wondering if someone could give me a few good unstable sources where I can find the necessary packages to get amarok installed
[12:58] <nubuntious> how can I go about chaning the colors in my terminal?
[12:58] <kimppa> I've look on amarok's web page for sources, but I have no idea which to choose o_O
[12:58] <nubuntious> like making it a black background n such
[12:58] <Choubaka> kimppa: uhh?
[12:58] <trygvebw> kimppa, you're installing it with apt-get, right+
[12:58] <trygvebw> ?
[12:58] <nubuntious> the whole black on white is kinda ugly
[12:58] <Choubaka> kimppa: apt-get install amarok?
[12:58] <Choubaka> + sudo
[12:59] <jeffco> happyfool, esounds has a green square in synaptic, but still no sound in Websites (e.g. homestarrunner.com)
[12:59] <trygvebw> kimppa, in a console, "sudo apt-get install amarok"
[12:59] <trygvebw> or install it with synaptic
[12:59] <Choubaka> Lots of Finns using Linux :|
[12:59] <kimppa> amarok: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.4.0) but 4:3.2.3-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[12:59] <kimppa>           Depends: libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel) but 1.2.5.0-7ubuntu1 is to be installed
[12:59] <kimppa>           Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3) but 3:3.2.3-4ubuntu1 is to be installed
[12:59] <kimppa>           Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.0.8) but it is not installable
[12:59] <Choubaka> ok.
[12:59] <trygvebw> huh...
[12:59] <kimppa>           Depends: libtag1 (>= 1.3.1) but it is not installable
[12:59] <kimppa>           Depends: libxinerama1 but it is not installable
[12:59] <trygvebw> you're using hoary?
[12:59] <kimppa> that's my problem
[12:59] <kimppa> yeah
[12:59] <HappyFool> jeffco: i'm not an expert with this -- did you restart firefox?
[12:59] <trygvebw> are you using hoary?
[12:59] <trygvebw> ah
[12:59] <trygvebw> hm
[12:59] <kimppa> so I need a few new sources
[12:59] <Choubaka> do you have debian repositories in your apt sources? :O
[12:59] <trygvebw> have you added universe?
[01:00] <jeffco> yes, i closed firefox and opened it up.
[01:00] <HappyFool> hmm
[01:00] <trygvebw> kimppa, read this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:00] <trygvebw> and follow it :)
[01:00] <HappyFool> sorry, you'll have to bug the guys who were helping you earlier -- Burgundavia ?
[01:00] <kimppa> I'll upload my source list so you can see what I have
[01:00] <Burgundavia> hmm?
[01:00] <Burgundavia> kimppa, don't dump it here
[01:01] <kimppa> Burgundavia: no, just the link :)
[01:01] <HappyFool> Burgundavia: jeffco is still having trouble with sound with firefox/flash
[01:01] <Burgundavia> ok, good
[01:01] <Burgundavia> jeffco, there is a fix for that
[01:01] <Burgundavia> jeffco, do this
[01:01] <Burgundavia> sudo ln -fs /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1
[01:02] <jeffco> done
[01:02] <jeffco> nothing happenend when i put in sudo ln -fs /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1
[01:03] <Burgundavia> that is good
[01:03] <jeffco> okay. so i should restart firefox, now?
[01:03] <Burgundavia> by default, on linux/unix, if something succeeds, then it will produce no output
[01:03] <Burgundavia> jeffco, just go to a flash site
[01:03] <jeffco> oh, i see. It won't even give a confirmation of its success?
[01:04] <Burgundavia> yes
[01:04] <aroman> well, I'm upgrading from Warty right now...
[01:04] <Burgundavia> the confirmation of its success is no output
[01:05] <jeffco> Burgundavia, happyfool, choubaka: sounds is working in flash/firefox now. Thank you. Does this mean that all sounds (midi, java, etc) will also be working too?
[01:05] <jeffco> just out of curiousity, why did not ubuntu automatically set up this sound issue?
[01:06] <Burgundavia> jeffco, might, and no idea
[01:06] <mijndert> Hi. I added the extra repositories from the Ubuntu guide, but I get this error: W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907. How to fix this?
[01:06] <capi> I want to install an FTPserver with virutal users. I tried vsftpd but had trouble with PAM, has anyone gotten vsftpd working with virtual users, or does proftpd support virtual users?
[01:06] <Burgundavia> mijndert, first off all, use hoary-extras from the backports project
[01:07] <mijndert> Burgundavia, Ok :)
[01:07] <Burgundavia> mijndert, check ubuntuforums.org
[01:09] <mijndert> Burgundavia, thanks for the url
[01:10] <nubious> oh wow.
[01:10] <jeffco> to download firefox plugins (flash, shockwave, etc), is it okay to download direct from the website? or must we do it via synaptic?
[01:10] <trygvebw> jeffco, follow the guides on ubuntuguide.org
[01:11] <Bramme> openoffice(1.1 version) doesn't want to start: it gives me the splash-screen with the load-bar, when the bar's full i get the splash screen and that stays
[01:12] <HappyFool> jeffco: best to use synaptic, assuming you're using ubuntu's release of firefox
[01:12] <HappyFool> btw, did you install 1.0.4, or are you sticking with the firefox release?
[01:12] <nubious> whats the *nix equivilent of tracert?
[01:13] <HappyFool> tracepath, i think
[01:13] <nubious> aha
[01:13] <nubious> yes
[01:13] <nubious> thx
[01:13] <jeffco> happyfool, yes i'm using ubuntu's release of firefox. I did not install 1.0.4 because of all the scary warnings i got an hour ago! ha ha.
[01:13] <nubious> no reply means the machine is down, or just no reply and it got passed along?
[01:13] <HappyFool> heh
[01:13] <Choubaka> jeffco: synaptic is probably preferable.
[01:13] <jeffco> okay how do i use synaptic to get, for example, shockwave?
[01:14] <Choubaka> though using firefox's automatic plugin tool works nicely too for flash
[01:14] <trygvebw> shockwave doesn't exist in a Linux version
[01:14] <trygvebw> :(
[01:14] <HappyFool> nubious: i think it means the machine in question is configured not to reply to the sorts of packets used for tracepath (not sure though)
[01:14] <nubious> hmm
[01:14] <nubious> so technically
[01:14] <jeffco> trygvebw, accdng to http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux&P3_Browser_Version=Netscape4, it exists.
[01:14] <nubious> if I hit 4 no replies
[01:14] <nubious> it hit four dif machines?
[01:14] <capi> no one on my question? Has anyone gotten vsftpd to work with virtual users, I'm having trouble with PAM.
[01:15] <trygvebw> jeffco, that's Flash, not Shockwave
[01:15] <jeffco> oh,
[01:15] <HappyFool> nubious: err, i think it depends on how the machine changes the TTL
[01:15] <jeffco> okay, so how do i get flash via synaptic?
[01:15] <HappyFool> nubious: but i don't actually know
[01:15] <nubious> you lost me
[01:15] <trygvebw> jeffco, read: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla
[01:15] <Choubaka> apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[01:15] <nubious> what do you mean by 'changes the ttyl'?
[01:16] <Choubaka> you need the ubuntu multiverse repo :)
[01:16] <HappyFool> nubious: packets have a time-to-live (TTL) value
[01:16] <jeffco> i tried sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla (as per http://ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla) but i got this response: http://ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla
[01:16] <nubious> sry
[01:16] <nubious> I read TTY
[01:16] <nubious> gotcha
[01:16] <jeffco> sorry: response was "E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[01:16] <jeffco> "
[01:16] <trygvebw> Choubaka, what's the difference between the packages "flashplayer-mozilla" and "flashplugin-nonfree"?
[01:16] <trygvebw> jeffco, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:16] <nubious> jeffco
[01:16] <HappyFool> jeffco: you probably need to add multiverse to your repositories
[01:16] <nubious> try sudo apt-cache search flash
[01:17] <jeffco> Probably?
[01:17] <trygvebw> nubious, he hasn't addded extra repos!
[01:17] <nubious> ahh
[01:17] <HappyFool> jeffco: you can do so with synaptic -- remember the Settings -> Repositories dialog box?
[01:17] <nubious> multiverse has it?
[01:17] <jeffco> I currently don't don't multiverse or universe in my repo.
[01:17] <trygvebw> yeah
[01:17] <lok> the linux plugin flash is both for flash and shockwave
[01:17] <jeffco> Yes I remember.
[01:17] <nubious> I just enabled universe
[01:17] <trygvebw> jeffco, then add them :)
[01:17] <nubious> bah
[01:17] <jeffco> I'l add them now.
[01:17] <nubious> I gotta go to bed
[01:17] <nubious> night guys
[01:17] <nubious> it was fun
[01:17] <trygvebw> good :)
[01:17] <nubious> I'll be back
[01:17] <trygvebw> night
[01:17] <capi> :(
[01:17] <Choubaka> trygvebw: flashplugin-nonfree is non-free iirc :P
[01:18] <Choubaka> the one which macromedia distributes.
[01:18] <trygvebw> Ahh...
[01:18] <HappyFool> flashplayer-mozilla is in multiverse
[01:18] <juanitu> hi! anyone can help me with my sound card ATI IXP150?
[01:18] <trygvebw> Why does the Guide instructs people to install the free one, isn't it worse than the non-free one?
[01:19] <Choubaka> trygvebw: hmm
[01:19] <Choubaka> apparently it's non-free too
[01:19] <jeffco> okay,  i added the repo's now. and then I searched for "flash". Which do i select? there's flashplayer-mozilla, flashplayer-nonfree.
[01:20] <jeffco> also, libflash-mozplugin
[01:20] <jeffco> i wonder which one i should get.
[01:20] <Choubaka> just take flashplayer-mozilla
[01:20] <lok> using the firefox plugin install would be more simple
[01:20] <HappyFool> jeffco: try flashplayer-mozilla
[01:21] <HappyFool> jeffco: but weren't you testing flash sites just now?
[01:21] <jeffco> is there a better chat client than x-chat? Why do i ask? Well, I find it a bit inconvenient that I just can't middleclick a link in X-chat.
[01:21] <jeffco> oh yeah, i was.
[01:21] <jeffco> what am i doing?
[01:21] <HappyFool> so why are you trying to install flash? :-)
[01:21] <HappyFool> jeffco: try right-clicking links
[01:22] <HappyFool> in x-chat, i mean
[01:22] <lok> settings -> advanced -> url handlers
[01:22] <jeffco> Yes, i know we can right-click, but then you must go through two layers of menus in order to select "open in new tab".
[01:22] <lok> and configure your right click as you want in xchat
[01:23] <jeffco> can't we make middleclick work in xchat?
[01:23] <jeffco> I want to have shockwave.
[01:23] <Choubaka> middleclick is paste :|
[01:23] <jeffco> How do i get shockwave plugin for firefox?
[01:23] <HappyFool> middle-click usually means paste in X
[01:23] <HappyFool> there apparently isn't one for linux
[01:23] <lok> jeffco, the flash player works for shockwave too
[01:24] <HappyFool> oops. my mistake.
[01:24] <capi> Anyone read german?
[01:24] <StarMkeSE> Yes.. a bit
[01:24] <jeffco> then how come I can't play the games on shockwave.com? it says that I must download shockwave?
[01:24] <trygvebw> Shockwave _doesn't_ exist in a Linux version!
[01:25] <trygvebw> Flash isn't Shockwave.
[01:25] <StarMkeSE> capi I can read German if you want to get help
[01:25] <capi> StartMkeSE, think you could give a shot at getting a rought translation of whats going on here http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1026489
[01:25] <lok> application/x-shockwave-flash 	Shockwave Flash 	swf 	Yes  << from my about:plugins
[01:25] <trygvebw> lok, where did you get Shockwave from?
[01:25] <lok> the flash plugin under linux works for shockwave TOO
[01:25] <Vjaz> jeffco: Maybe they're made with Macromedia Director.
[01:26] <jeffco> okay, quick, anyone, tell me a site with shockwave.
[01:26] <eurmst[Gone] > :P
[01:26] <trygvebw> lok, huh... Macromedia's official site says that there isn't a version of Shockwave for Linux
[01:26] <lok> trygvebw, ....
[01:26] <trygvebw> ?
[01:27] <jeffco> I'm confused. Some people in this chatroom says Shocwave is available for linux, some say not.
[01:27] <lok> have you flash ?
[01:27] <jeffco> which is it?
[01:27] <trygvebw> lok, yes
[01:27] <jeffco> yes i have flash.
[01:27] <HappyFool> maybe "Shockwave" and "Shockwave Flash" are two different things?
[01:27] <trygvebw> Course they are.
[01:27] <lok> jeffco, juste take the flash plugin it can read shockave
[01:27] <lok> trygvebw, then go see your about:plugins
[01:27] <trygvebw> "Shockwave Flash" is "Flash", "Shockwave" is "Shockwave". "Shockwave" can't be played under Linux, but "Shockwave Flash" can.
[01:27] <HappyFool> lok: jeffco just went to shockwave.com, and it didn't work
[01:28] <jeffco> i have flash (well, at least I was able to view homestarrunner.com) but i can't play the games on shockwave.com
[01:28] <trygvebw> application/x-shockwave-flash 	Shockwave Flash 	swf 	Ja
[01:28] <trygvebw> Ja = Yes
[01:28] <StarMkeSE> capi Ohh..that's Dutch.. But I can give it a try
[01:28] <trygvebw> But that's "Shockwave Flash", not "Shockwave". They're entirely different things.
[01:29] <trygvebw> "Shockwave" is the game thing, while "Shockwave Flash" is the animation thing. The last one exists for Linux, the first does not.
[01:29] <capi> StarMkeSE, oh, I'm bad. All I really need to know is what type of problem he's having.
[01:30] <universal> can someone help me as quake 3 says couldnt find DEFAULT.CFG
[01:30] <jeffco> okay. no biggie. I'll just not play shockwave games then.
[01:31] <trygvebw> ok :)
[01:31] <StarMkeSE> capi I'll try to give you a translation in Englsih
[01:31] <universal>  can someone help me as quake 3 says couldnt find DEFAULT.CFG
[01:32] <jeroen_> universal, how about searching for "DEFAULT.CFG" on the web or on your machine
[01:32] <universal> i tried on my mashine but nothing gave results
[01:33] <jeroen_> universal, http://www.google.nl/search?q=default.cfg+quake
[01:33] <jeffco> is there a way i could skip putting in my password everytime i do stuff like run synaptic?
[01:35] <HappyFool> jeffco: i think there is, but it's not advised
[01:35] <jeroen_> jeffco, that's really dangerous
[01:35] <HappyFool> jeffco: it acts as a signal that you are doing adminstrative work, and could potentially break something
[01:35] <jeffco> how come? i'm the only one using the computer? I'm a single guy. no one comes to my house.
[01:35] <trygvebw> Hackers. :)
[01:35] <jeffco> oh i see.
[01:35] <trygvebw> Or crackers, i mean.
[01:36] <jeffco> okay. i'll live with the inconvenience then.
[01:36] <jeffco> any skype users out here?
[01:36] <trygvebw> Me
[01:36] <jeffco> you are skype user?
[01:36] <trygvebw> yeah
[01:36] <eurmst> i am
[01:36] <[Spooky] > Anyone have the ATI Radeon install page adress i cant seem to find it im blind i think :/
[01:36] <trygvebw> But i don't have a microphone ;)
[01:36] <yonil> I'm getting a weird problam with apt-get, I think i need to remove some package I've downloaded from the net
[01:36] <StarMkeSE> capi I
[01:36] <yonil> how can i do that?
[01:36] <trygvebw> Yonil, apt-get remove package
[01:36] <StarMkeSE> capi I'll write you a private mess
[01:36] <jeroen_> yonil, have you installed it with dpkg?
[01:37] <jeroen_> yonil, was it a .deb package?
[01:37] <yonil> jeroen_, yeah
[01:37] <trygvebw> just run "apt-get remove package"
[01:37] <yonil> jeroen_, yes
[01:37] <jeroen_> yonil, just sudo apt-get remove blabla
[01:37] <jeroen_> yonil, or use synaptic
[01:37] <yonil> it doesnt work :(
[01:37] <jeffco> I have followed the steps on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto
[01:37] <jeroen_> yonil, does it give an error?
[01:37] <yonil> jeroen_, yes
[01:38] <trygvebw> what error?
[01:38] <jeffco> I have installed skype but i can't seem to use the search feature.
[01:38] <yonil> ill copy it somewhere sec
[01:38] <jeffco> it just goes and goes and goes.
[01:38] <yonil> not error, dependencies
[01:38] <trygvebw> jeffco, works fine here...
[01:38] <trygvebw> Weird...
[01:38] <trygvebw> It takes some minutes to finish, though.
[01:38] <jeffco> and I try to hang up with this person, but when i click the red "hangup" button, ntothing happens...
[01:39] <trygvebw> hm
[01:39] <yonil> jeroen_, here it is: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/wOuiqQ21.html
[01:39] <jeffco> I guess the program is hanging?
[01:39] <jeroen_> trygvebw, jeffco, that's weird. It was pretty much "instant" at my Aunt's (she uses windows)
[01:39] <mon> can i file bugs about packages in multiverse? seems like bugzilla doesn't show multiverse packages
[01:39] <trygvebw> Hm
[01:39] <trygvebw> :(
[01:39] <jeffco> Yes, i was using skype on windows yesterday too (before i deleted it from my pc and installed ubuntu today).
[01:39] <saif> hello, a friend of mine has motorolla sm56 modem, is there any possibility that he can get it to work on ubuntu?
[01:39] <jeffco> I had no problems with Windows skype, but i am now.
[01:39] <jeffco> with Linux skype.
[01:40] <Choubaka> Linux skype should start supportinh ALSA :(
[01:40] <trygvebw> Yeah...
[01:40] <trygvebw> But it's a QT/KDE program so it probably won't ever.
[01:40] <yonil> you guys, what can i do about this: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/wOuiqQ21.html
[01:40] <flipy> is there any program to make an stress test to a hard disk?
[01:41] <jeroen_> yonil, xmltv depends on libxmltv-perl
[01:41] <jeroen_> so you can't remove libxmltv-perl without also removing xmltv
[01:41] <trygvebw> run "sudo apt-get -f install". Check what it tries to do there.
[01:41] <[Spooky] > Anyone have the Ati radeon install howto adress ??
[01:41] <jeffco> is it necessary to reboot/restart/logoff after putting/installing/getting/loading (what's the linux equivalent for Windows install) a new program?
[01:42] <jeffco> maybe i have to restart my computer in order for skype to work ?
[01:42] <jeroen_> jeffco, normally not
[01:42] <trygvebw> Probably not.
[01:42] <Kimppa> Back again with problems :)
[01:42] <flipy> [Spooky] , www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:42] <jeroen_> jeffco, just "installing" will do
[01:43] <jeffco> how can i get japanese characters when i type (with Dvorak layout)?
[01:43] <Kimppa> I installed amarok, but then I got an error message telling me that if this error message continues poping up, try killall -9 <something> && <something>
[01:43] <Kimppa> did that and I lost all sounds :P
[01:43] <Kimppa> rebooted X but didn't help
[01:43] <jeffco> Coz I'm in Japan and I may have to type some emails in Japan, etc...
[01:43] <Kimppa> any ideas?
[01:43] <trygvebw> [Spooky] , http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:44] <Choubaka> jeffco: you use gnome?
[01:44] <Hoxzer^> Jeffco: are in Japan ?
[01:44] <Choubaka> it's very easy to input japanese in gnome.
[01:44] <trygvebw> Menu/System -> Preferences -> Keyboard ?
[01:44] <blujay> Kimppa: what were the <something>'s?
[01:45] <Choubaka> you only need a gtk2 input module, and all programs which support GTK2 input modules will be able to input japanese :)
[01:45] <Kimppa> if I'd remember I wouldn't have said <something> :)
[01:45] <Choubaka> esd? P
[01:45] <Choubaka> :P
[01:45] <blujay> Kimppa: well, it's hard to help if you can't tell us exactly what happened
[01:45] <[Spooky] > trygvebw: thanks
[01:45] <Kimppa> the first one was some part of amarok and the other was something with a short name
[01:45] <jeffco> choubaka, Hoxzer^, yes, i'm using gnome (or whatever came installed with HH) and yes, i'm in Japan.
[01:45] <blujay> Kimppa: what is the problem at the moment?
[01:45] <jeroen_> Kimppa, esd?
[01:45] <Kimppa> esd could be it
[01:45] <Choubaka> jeffco: hehe.
[01:45] <jeroen_> Kimppa, esd is for sounds
[01:46] <Choubaka> jeffco: ok, so install uim-gtk2.0
[01:46] <Kimppa> The problem is that I have no sounds at all, none, zip. esd says its running
[01:46] <Kimppa> it's
[01:46] <yonil> trygvebw, figures sudo apt-get -f install solves all issues 8)
[01:46] <Choubaka> arrgh.
[01:46] <Choubaka> Do not use the --force
[01:47] <blujay> Kimppa: have you checked the mixer?
[01:47] <Kimppa> yerr... well, bit too late now
[01:47] <jaan> hallo
[01:47] <Choubaka> It breaks things. You fall to the dark side.
[01:47] <jeffco> choubaka, why did you laugh (he he)?
[01:47] <jeroen_> jaan: hello
[01:47] <jaan> heres the deal, i installed ubuntu but my mouse isnt working
[01:47] <Choubaka> jeffco: I don't know :D
[01:47] <Choubaka> Anyway, uim should be what you're after.
[01:48] <jeffco> in xchat, is it necessary to always type the recipient's name?
[01:48] <jeffco> Is there a way to automatically have it added in the message?
[01:48] <blujay> jeffco: start typing it and press tab
[01:48] <jaan> it said that i have PS/2 mouse(in install) but i have serial mouse(COM)
[01:48] <HappyFool> you can use /query <nick> for private conversations
[01:49] <blujay> jaan: check the Ubuntu site, see if it even supports serial mice by default
[01:49] <DunkMaster> ok
[01:49] <jeffco> trygvebw, i added japanese, so how can i use it, and moreover, how can i type in japanese while in the dvorak keymap?
[01:49] <DunkMaster> but i cant, i cant move my mouse
[01:49] <jeroen_> DunkMaster, you can use the keyboard
[01:49] <DunkMaster> yea, ill try
[01:49] <jeffco> bluejay, start typing what?
[01:49] <jeroen_> Alt + F2 mozilla-firefox
[01:50] <blujay> DunkMaster: use links, or boot into your old OS
[01:50] <jeroen_> jeffco, start typing the name
[01:50] <jeffco> gotcha!
[01:50] <jeffco>  that's handy isn't it blujay
[01:50] <Choubaka> jeffco: install uim-gtk2.0
[01:50] <blujay> jeffco: yep :)
[01:50] <DunkMaster> ok, ill brb
[01:50] <jeffco> Choubaka, how do i install uim....
[01:50] <DunkMaster> will try if itll work
[01:50] <jeffco> Choubaka, u in japan?
[01:50] <Choubaka> jeffco: with synaptic! :)
[01:50] <jeffco> okay, Choubaka
[01:50] <Choubaka> jeffco: no. Finland.
[01:51] <Choubaka> But I study Japanese.
[01:51] <jeffco> so what's the use of the keyboard preferencese then?
[01:51] <Choubaka> dvorak.
[01:51] <Choubaka> the IM does not care.
[01:51] <jeffco> what's IM Choubaka, ?
[01:51] <Choubaka> input method. :)
[01:51] <larsrohdin> Hi, the openoffice package i can get from synaptic, is it still Beta-version or is it stable?
[01:52] <larsrohdin> i mean open office 2 of course
[01:52] <jeffco> Choubaka, so i can't type in japanese without that uim program?
[01:52] <Choubaka> jeffco: yeah
[01:52] <Choubaka> but the uim program integrates into Gnome apps
[01:52] <jeffco> really? then why does it offer Japanese as one of the layouts then?
[01:52] <ubuntu_> donde estoy?
[01:52] <Pischenberg> hi
[01:52] <Choubaka> because japanese keyboards with a japanese layout exist. :P
[01:53] <jeroen_> hi
[01:53] <jeffco> i have a japanese keyboard, Choubaka
[01:53] <Pischenberg> someone can test the italian torrent please?
[01:53] <jeroen_> what italian torrent?
[01:53] <Choubaka> but you want to use the dvorak layout, don't you?
[01:53] <Pischenberg> doesn't works
[01:53] <jeroen_> what italian torrent?
[01:53] <shinu> how can i paste into a terminal without a mouse?
[01:53] <jeroen_> shinu: ctl+shift+v
[01:54] <shinu> jeroen_: thanks
[01:54] <ubuntu_> alguien habla espaol?
[01:54] <Pischenberg> a64 dvd version
[01:54] <Choubaka> ubuntu_: #ubuntu-es
[01:54] <Choubaka> or something
[01:54] <jeroen_> ubuntu: /join #ubuntu-es
[01:54] <jeffco> Choubaka, yes i want 2 layouts on my computer. 1. English Dvorak 2. Nihongo Dvorak.
[01:54] <Choubaka> ok.
[01:54] <jeroen_> ubuntu_: /join #ubuntu-es
[01:54] <ubuntu_> ok, gracias
[01:54] <shinu> jeroen_: doesnt seem to work...
[01:54] <Choubaka> jeffco: but you still need the uim proggie
[01:54] <Choubaka> :)
[01:55] <jeffco> okay, finished getting the uim proggie. now what?
[01:55] <shinu> jeroen_: does it work in xterm?
[01:55] <Choubaka> jeffco: did it install anthy as a dependency?
[01:55] <jeroen_> shinu, it works in gnome-terminal
[01:55] <shinu> meh...
[01:55] <jeffco> yes, it installed about 8 other files.
[01:55] <Pischenberg> ubuntu-5.04-dvd-amd64.iso
[01:55] <shinu> jeroen_: ok thanks :)
[01:55] <jeffco> anthy?
[01:55] <Pischenberg> doesn't  wprks
[01:55] <jeffco> let me check?
[01:55] <Pischenberg> works
[01:56] <jeffco> no it didn't
[01:56] <jeffco> i'll get it now.
[01:56] <Choubaka> ok
[01:56] <Pischenberg> can ypu seed it?
[01:56] <Choubaka> Then, create a file called ".uim" in your home directory.
[01:56] <Pischenberg> can you seed it?
[01:56] <Choubaka> with gedit or something :)
[01:57] <Choubaka> and have the following content in it: "(define default-im-name 'anthy)" (no quotes)
[01:57] <jeffco> Choubaka, done. i have anthy now.
[01:57] <jeffco> now what.
[01:57] <Choubaka> jeffco: make the .uim file with the following content.
[01:57] <Choubaka> the . is necessary :)
[01:57] <dman> hello community!
[01:57] <jeffco> what do i do?
[01:58] <jeffco> I don't get your instruction, Choubaka
[01:58] <dman> what problems can i expect when changing my graphics card.. now a S3 virge
[01:58] <jeffco> Choubaka, how do i "make the .uim file"?
[01:58] <jeffco> What content?
[01:58] <jeroen_> jeffco, as he told you, creat a file called ".uim" (without quotes)
[01:58] <jeroen_> jeffco, use an editor, like gedit
[01:58] <Choubaka> jeffco: with a text editor.
[01:59] <Choubaka> and have "(define default-im-name 'anthy)" (no quotes) in that file
[01:59] <Pischenberg> guys, tha torrents doesn't works
[01:59] <Choubaka> then save it to your home directory.
[01:59] <liable> dman: depends what you change it to
[01:59] <jeffco> Choubaka, done.
[01:59] <Choubaka> ok
[02:00] <jeffco> now i can i switch from eigo to nihongo and back at a tap of a key?
[02:00] <Choubaka> jeffco: restart some program that is gtk2
[02:00] <HappyFool> Pischenberg: give us a full URL to test, or use a different torrent. or just download straight via http -- i think the initial downloaded rush is over
[02:00] <Choubaka> for example your text editor
[02:00] <dman> liable: i know ill have problems.. when building the machine, i change the card from one slot to another.. and this resulted in problems...
[02:01] <Pischenberg> http://cdn.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/ubuntu-releases/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent
[02:01] <Pischenberg> tnx
[02:01] <liable> dman: so, its already done?
[02:01] <dman> liable: from what i have seen sofar.. best to buy on with the nvidia chipset..
[02:01] <Choubaka> jeffco: then if all is good, you can activate japanese with shift-space
[02:01] <jeffco> Choubaka, how do i restart GTK2? I don't even see it anywhere?
[02:01] <Choubaka> jeffco: no, no
[02:01] <Choubaka> don't restart gtk2
[02:01] <Choubaka> just some app that uses it
[02:01] <Choubaka> for example the text editor :)
[02:02] <dman> liable: no changed S3 from on slot to the other.. now looking for a different card
[02:02] <jeffco> i closed the text editor now. do you want me to open it again?
[02:02] <Choubaka> yes.
[02:02] <liable> dman: so two cards?
[02:02] <jeffco> got it.
[02:02] <jeffco> it works.
[02:02] <Choubaka> can you input japanese?
[02:02] <dman> liable: no -S3 +other
[02:02] <Pischenberg> jeffco, the torrent works?
[02:02] <jeffco> Choubaka, yes I can. okagesamade?
[02:02] <Choubaka> jeffco: yay :D
[02:03] <jeffco> Pischenberg, you talkincg to me?
[02:03] <Pischenberg> yes
[02:03] <Choubaka> now, you'll need to restart running apps so the change takes effect globally :)
[02:03] <HappyFool> Pischenberg: i'm testing it...
[02:03] <Choubaka> just logout and login again
[02:03] <Pischenberg> tnx
[02:03] <jeffco> thank you.
[02:03] <Choubaka> jeffco: also, anthy's method differs from windows a bit.
[02:04] <HappyFool> Pischenberg: doesn't really seem to be doing much
[02:04] <liable> dman: lost me, nevermind
[02:04] <Choubaka> the differences are documented... wait, I'll look up the page.
[02:04] <Pischenberg> sob...
[02:04] <HappyFool> Pischenberg: how about downloading a normal, non-torrent link?
[02:04] <Pischenberg> ok, i'll try
[02:04] <dman> liable: will throw out the S3 card and get a new one to replace
[02:04] <jeffco> Choubaka, but I can't use Nihongo in firefox.
[02:04] <Pischenberg> from ftp?
[02:04] <Choubaka> jeffco: you can't? :/
[02:04] <Choubaka> did you restart firefox too?
[02:04] <HappyFool> ftp or http, whatever's available
[02:04] <jeffco> oh, Choubaka , i forgot to restart it.
[02:05] <Choubaka> hehhe :D
[02:05] <jeffco> hold on.
[02:05] <dman> liable: will ubuntu recognise the difference and auto-reconfigure?
[02:05] <liable> dman: if you are just replacing a card, then hotplug or discover *should* take care of it, with a standard kernel
[02:05] <Pischenberg> the dvd version is multilanguage
[02:06] <Pischenberg> or the language depends by the site?
[02:06] <liable> dman: but you may need to 'dpkg-reconfigure-xserver-xorg'
[02:06] <HappyFool> i doubt it
[02:06] <jeffco> Choubaka, it works fine in Firefox. but i was wondering, regarding the kanji that pops up when you type, is there a way for it to kinda give us hints as to the meaning ,,,, to help us discern between kanjis with same sound/reading but different meanings?
[02:07] <jeffco> Choubaka, this feature is available in windows (though it's rather useless for me, coz the program is all in nihongo!).
[02:08] <Choubaka> hmm.
[02:08] <jeffco> maybe there's a better program than uim available, Choubaka, no?
[02:08] <Choubaka> There's a firefox extension called rikaixul
[02:08] <Choubaka> uim is just an input methond
[02:08] <Choubaka> -n
[02:08] <Choubaka> also, install gjiten .)
[02:08] <Choubaka> it's a webdictionary frontend. :)
[02:09] <jeffco> Choubaka, how do you find out  about these great programs?
[02:09] <Choubaka> http://anthy.sourceforge.jp/cgi-bin/hikien/hiki.cgi?uim-anthy <- browse through this page too
[02:09] <Choubaka> jeffco: synaptic has a search feature :)
[02:09] <jeffco> oh, i see.
[02:10] <Choubaka> see http://rikaixul.mozdev.org/
[02:10] <HappyFool> Pischenberg: hmm, i see the DVD iso is available as a torrent only...
[02:10] <Choubaka> the extensions requires quite a powerful computer though :/
[02:10] <HappyFool> try http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.iso.torrent  , though i guess it won't work
[02:10] <Pischenberg> tnx HappyFool...:
[02:11] <HappyFool> otherwise download the normal CD iso and install software via synaptic
[02:11] <HappyFool> oh hang on, you wanted amd64 ?
[02:11] <HappyFool> ah well, look here for what you want: http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/
[02:12] <HappyFool> Pischenberg: that previous URL is for i386 -- it won't help you
[02:12] <dman> liable: noted. thx!
[02:12] <Pischenberg> yes
[02:12] <Pischenberg> tnx
[02:12] <jeffco> Choubaka, what requires a powerful computer? rikaixul? how powerful
[02:12] <jeffco> ?
[02:13] <Choubaka> Well, it uses a lot of javascript, so it's heavy
[02:13] <liable> _out_dman: np
[02:13] <Choubaka> but it's usable. any modern computer should be able to handle it without problems.
[02:14] <Choubaka> jeffco: It's heavy only if enabled of course :)
[02:14] <Choubaka> jeffco: it popups kanji/word information on mouseover.
[02:14] <jeffco> Choubaka, gotcha.
[02:14] <Choubaka> only works on firefox though
[02:15] <jeffco> Choubaka,  i installed gjiten, but there's no changes.
[02:15] <Choubaka> no changes?
[02:15] <jeffco> i thought I'd be able to get some aids when I type in japanese.
[02:16] <Choubaka> jeffco: It's just a nice dictionary application.
[02:16] <Choubaka> jeffco: I don't think such functionality exists for Linux yet :)
[02:16] <jeffco> Choubaka, how does it work?
[02:16] <Choubaka> start the app, input a word and off you go.
[02:16] <jeffco> where's the app?
[02:16] <Choubaka> in the applications menu
[02:17] <Choubaka> though it does require utf-8 edict files iirc...
[02:18] <IIIEars> Good morning!   - does anyone know where to send Microsoft disks for a refund? - lol
[02:18] <capi> anyone know how to get virtual users working in vsftpd, or another ftp server that supports it?
[02:18] <Choubaka> apt-get install edict will only give you euc-jp edict files. :)
[02:18] <jeffco> what's euc?
[02:18] <Choubaka> extended unix code
[02:18] <Choubaka> it's an encoding
[02:18] <Choubaka> like shift-jis and JIS
[02:18] <Choubaka> but you can easily convert those to utf-8
[02:19] <Choubaka> I can help you set up gjiten too.
[02:19] <jeffco> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[02:19] <jeffco> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[02:19] <Choubaka> you forgot sudo
[02:19] <Choubaka> sudo is required for administrative tasks. :)
[02:21] <jeffco> okay, how do i set up gjiten, Choubaka ?
[02:22] <jeffco> and is it better than going to http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/wwwjdic.html?
[02:26] <jeffco> Choubaka, you there?
[02:27] <Choubaka> jeffco: yeah
[02:27] <Choubaka> so did you install edict?
[02:28] <jeffco> yes, i did as you said.
[02:29] <bintut> hello all..
[02:29] <rudi1234> hi
[02:29] <billbo> hi
[02:30] <bintut> i'm currently using an ubuntu livecd hoary.. what is the default root password for this livecd?
[02:30] <nevyn> it doesn't have one.
[02:30] <jeroen_> bintut, just run a root terminal
[02:30] <echylo_> passwd root
[02:30] <echylo_> :p
[02:30] <nevyn> bintut: sudo -s
[02:31] <bintut> ok. thanks guys..
[02:34] <XplOzIon> hi!
[02:34] <StarMkeSE> Is someone here expert on internet connection in Ubuntu?
[02:34] <Kamping_in_doze> no, but ask :P
[02:34] <IFR> StarMkeSE, I'm not an expert but I might be able to get the ball rolling.
[02:34] <XplOzIon> lol
[02:35] <nevyn> thing is.. "expert" is such a relative term.
[02:35] <XplOzIon> does anyone here runs windows aplications?
[02:35] <StarMkeSE> IFR Ah...great.. :D My network card can't access my ISP DHCP and therefor I can't get any IP :(
[02:35] <_hp_> is there a applet for gnome that will show me the temperature of the cpu?
[02:35] <IFR> StarMkeSE, give us specifics: card, router, connection etc
[02:35] <IFR> ;)
[02:35] <Kamping_in_doze> xp10xion, yes, in wine
[02:36] <Kamping_in_doze> sometimes
[02:36] <StarMkeSE> IFR D-Link DFE-530TX+ , no router, ADSL with login
[02:36] <IFR> superkaramba, _hp_ is for kde but if you look at that and get some keywords you can do an apt-cache search
[02:36] <deepsight> hellou ppl, anyone has an idea why when i play mp3 from my isb drive after a while it starts making a cracking sounds, and distorting a lot
[02:36] <IIIEars> StarMkSE - Have you done anything with iptables since you installed ubuntu?
[02:37] <XplOzIon> Kamping_in_doze, ok thanks, i just need to run my photoshop! its too expensive to dont have it installed =P
[02:37] <StarMkeSE> IIIEars No... I tried to add IP static but then browser just searching
[02:37] <Kamping_in_doze> xpiozion, look over at www.winehq.com iirc
[02:37] <bintut> i'm looking for solutions on how can i play mplayer to send its output video to s-video but the linux box doesn't have X11 running and can be controlled remotely.. do you have any idea?
[02:37] <Kamping_in_doze> it has the compatability lists
[02:37] <XplOzIon> Kamping_in_doze, thanks im on it
[02:37] <Kamping_in_doze> :)
[02:38] <IFR> StarMkeSE, I'm just useless at ADSL, sorry. BUT: Are you able to surf into the router (the unit you described is an all in one, yes?) or have you not communicated with the device at all?
[02:39] <keffo> hm, ok.. i have a .AVI-file.. about 1,3gb and i want to split it into 2.. just easy, nothing more.. easiest way?
[02:39] <IFR> man split
[02:39] <IFR> :)
[02:39] <XplOzIon> haha!
[02:39] <XplOzIon> ;)
[02:40] <StarMkeSE> IFR I have not communicated with internet at all. My ADSL works like this. A have an ADSL Modem connected via Ethernet and the modem is my connection to internet
[02:40] <IFR> Seriosuly split is the coolest program. Not sure if it will fork on an .avi (I use it for text) but it might!
[02:40] <Absenth> keffo, quicktime pro should work pretty well for that.
[02:40] <IFR> StarMkeSE, right but can you communicate with the ROUTER itself? That is, can you surf to 192.168.1.1 (or whatever) and see the router configuration screen?
[02:40] <Absenth> oh, wait.  this is #ubuntu, not #macosx
[02:41] <Kamping_in_doze> lol
[02:41] <keffo> :P
[02:42] <StarMkeSE> IFR I have no router, direct connection to internet. I can't access my ISP DHCP to get IP. I can ping loopback
[02:42] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, usually,  SBC dsl connections require some stupid VPN connection to open the link to the internet.
[02:42] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, what kind of Ethernet card does your computer have?
[02:42] <XplOzIon> is there a configuration to make ubuntu autoupdate IP? i mean when my ISP changes my ip all i do is restart the network
[02:43] <StarMkeSE> Absenth It's a D-Link DFE-530TX+
[02:43] <IFR> StarMkeSE, sorry, I thought that unit was an all in one ADSL MOdem/Router/Wifi thing. Sorry !
[02:43] <Absenth> Xpl0zIon, dhclient eth0
[02:43] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, so a realteck card, that's definatly supported in the default install....  Try sudo dhclient eth0 from the command line.
[02:43] <keffo> cuntshit
[02:44] <keffo> help me out please :<
[02:44] <XplOzIon> Absenth, typing that in terminal automates the task?
[02:44] <IFR> keffo, what a lovely image.
[02:44] <Absenth> Xpl0zIon, to automate it, use cron.
[02:44] <StarMkeSE> Absenth I have tried it and it still gets no connetion
[02:44] <keffo> well, just need to split this shitty file up.. and i dunno how
[02:44] <keffo> :<
[02:44] <XplOzIon> keffo, why cursing?
[02:45] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, Hmmm.....  I guess we can start at the low level, you have a link light on both ends of the wire I assume.  (I'd imagine you've already gone through this)
[02:45] <HappyFool> keffo: so did split not work?
[02:45] <cyphase> hey everyone
[02:45] <keffo> nope
[02:45] <keffo> it makes like 34234 small files i dunno anything about
[02:45] <HappyFool> what did it say?
[02:45] <keffo> organon, hm..
[02:46] <capi> anyone know how to get vsftpd working with virtual users, or any ftpserver for that matter?
[02:46] <StarMkeSE> Absenth Yes.. I have dualboot with Linux on this computer so yes. I'm using XP right now
[02:46] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, ok.
[02:46] <billbo> does anyone know of a label printer with good linux support?
[02:46] <_hp_> anyone have problems with libflash-mozilla crashing their firefox?
[02:46] <HappyFool> keffo: try "split -b 500M filename filename.split"
[02:46] <XplOzIon> _hp_, i used to... but upgrading to 1.0.3 fixed it
[02:46] <IFR> keffo, you have to check the man page for split; you can tell it the file size to output
[02:46] <IFR> Oh, thanks HappyFool
[02:46] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, did the adsl provider require any special settings to get the link to work in windows?  a hostname perhaps, or anything else like a pptp icon etc?
[02:47] <cyphase> lol, i just realised that you can drag a link from firefox to nautilus and nautilus will download it for you
[02:47] <HappyFool> or rather "split -b 500m filename filename.split"
[02:47] <HappyFool> (small m, not big M)
[02:47] <IFR> Anyone on the list using xfce4 window manager?
[02:47] <cspnic1> i have a sound problem when i launch totem he say that the sound serveur is busy
[02:47] <StarMkeSE> Absenth No..nothing..just login via a site but it will be removed but I can't even access the login page
[02:47] <jgmbase> i try it from time to time
[02:47] <jgmbase> very nice
[02:47] <jgmbase> but still havent made up my mind
[02:47] <capi> IFR, I use it now and then
[02:48] <IFR> That's what I hear. You just did a straight up apt-get install of it? Can you select which wm to use at login?
[02:48] <jgmbase> yes
[02:48] <IFR> Sounds wonderful. Is it as light and fast as they say?
[02:48] <jgmbase> on unbuntoforums there was a good link on how to install it properly to get the latest
[02:48] <jgmbase> may want to have a look there
[02:48] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, in windows open the command line, and type ipconfig /all     write down all the parameters, dns, default gateway, ip, subnet etc.  try manually installing them into ubuntu, and see if that works.
[02:48] <jgmbase> and yes it is very fast
[02:48] <IFR> Oh, yes? Thanks so much jgmbase
[02:49] <jgmbase> let me see if i can find the link
[02:49] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, that dhclient output is pretty standard for the "Can't find a freeking DHCP server boss.....  Sorry.....  :)"
[02:49] <StarMkeSE> Absenth no...static IP doesn't help... It tries to access , nothing happends but I don't get any failure message either
[02:49] <Absenth> that's odd.
[02:49] <_hp_> where is firefox installed by default in ubuntu?
[02:49] <Absenth> _hp_: I think it's /usr/local/bin
[02:50] <Absenth> _hp_: but don't quote me on that.
[02:50] <cspnic1> i have a sound problem when i launch totem he say that the sound serveur is busy
[02:50] <StarMkeSE> IFR I try to access the logon page but It doesn't find it
[02:50] <Absenth> _hp_, it's /usr/  and then either /bin, /share/ or /local/ followed by bin
[02:50] <HappyFool> _hp_: /usr/bin/firefox ?
[02:50] <HappyFool> try "dpkg -L mozilla-firefox|less" to find files you're looking for
[02:51] <Absenth> it's probibly also called 'mozilla'  but again don't quote me on that.
[02:51] <cyphase> does anyone know if Breezy is going to support clusters?
[02:51] <IFR> StarMkeSE, aha. Okay so you say you're using this device right now, so we can rule out cable problems and "is the unit plugged in" issues, right?
[02:51] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, I don't suppose the provider offers any *nix support at all?
[02:51] <_hp_> oh great, now i have two installations of firefox
[02:52] <HappyFool> cyphase: i think lwn.net has a link to page with proposed breezy features
[02:52] <StarMkeSE> IFR Yes, correct.. I have Linux on another partition in this machine. So I am connected to internet with Windows
[02:52] <HappyFool> what do you mean by clusters?
[02:52] <IFR> Absenth, if the modem stores the settings would we *care* whether the ISP supports *nix? I mean, wouldn't the modem be doing the connecting for us?
[02:52] <keffo> hm, HappyFool it says "wron amount of bytes"
[02:53] <StarMkeSE> Absenth My IPS support gives you 10 different answers and no of them are correct ;)
[02:53] <Absenth> IFR, if the modem isn't a router in the D-link/linksys form, it's not keeping any real helpful settings.
[02:53] <IFR> keffo, get the exact file size, divide by exactly 2 and use that number as your output file size
[02:53] <teroedni> hello
[02:53] <keffo> kk
[02:53] <IFR> Absenth, Ah, thanks. I'm not used to dealing with a device like this. I'll back off now cause you're more versed at this one!
[02:54] <teroedni> i have switch from using a ide cable on both cd and hardrive to have one on the cd and one on the hardrive
[02:54] <jamesio> morning...
[02:54] <HappyFool> what happens if the filesize isn't even?
[02:54] <capi> does anyone know a ftp server that supports virtual users and works on ubuntu?
[02:54] <teroedni> the problem is that the cd drive no longer are mounted
[02:54] <Absenth> IFR, not really, just know that the DSL modems we have at our remote sites at work don't store anything useful.  it's the cisco1700 behind them that do all the important stuff.
[02:54] <IFR> Right.
[02:54] <jamesio> anyone ever install klibido?
[02:54] <teroedni> someone want to help me please
[02:55] <jamesio> ter, what's wrong?
[02:55] <jamesio> teroedni, what's wrong
[02:55] <teroedni> when i try to mount cd i get special device dev hda does not exist
[02:55] <teroedni> which is true
[02:55] <HappyFool> keffo: sorry, i think -b might be a useless option
[02:55] <keffo> seems to work
[02:56] <keffo> its doing something
[02:56] <keffo> ;P
[02:56] <keffo> split -b 681624576 disso.avi disso.split <-
[02:56] <keffo> ;P
[02:56] <StarMkeSE> Absenth So what's the problem that it can't access any site?
[02:56] <teroedni> the cd is now hdc
[02:56] <HappyFool> yeah, i think the "something" is not what you want
[02:56] <teroedni> so how do i mount hdc then???
[02:56] <IFR> jgmbase any luck on that link? I cannot seem to find it
[02:57] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, at the moment, I would guess because you don't have an IP,  If you statically assign the info in linux, and attempt to ping the default gateway by IP what happens?
[02:57] <jamesio> teroedni, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountcddvdromunhide helped me
[02:57] <Guybrush|Numb> hi all
[02:57] <IIIEars> StarMkSE - Just curious have made adjustments to iptables or added a firewall??
[02:57] <StarMkeSE> Absenth Well I don't get any resolving back..
[02:58] <Guybrush|Numb> anybody can tell where to set the preferred app to lauch on Video DVD insertion on hoary ? I want to use VLC instead of totem
[02:58] <IFR> Keffo, you really should read the man split file which specifies how to state the sizes ...
[02:58] <Absenth> IIIEars, that's a great question, I hadn't thought of.
[02:58] <keffo> works fine
[02:58] <IFR> GREAT!
[02:58] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, is that pinging a name, or an ip?
[02:59] <IFR> Congrats. That's a really cool tool, keffo, glad you found it!
[02:59] <jamesio> anyone ever install klibido?
[02:59] <keffo> works very good ;P
[02:59] <keffo> luvleh tool
[02:59] <StarMkeSE> Absenth An IP
[02:59] <IIIEars> "klibido"? - (insert viagra joke here.)
[03:00] <jamesio> iii, it's the closest thing I can find to the windows program "newsbin"
[03:00] <IIIEars> newsbin is a good app :)
[03:00] <IFR> keffo, you can output, as you discovered accidentally, multiple splits of a file, too, which can be useful
[03:00] <StarMkeSE> Absenth I would have a name like h....telia.com
[03:00] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, hmmm... statically assigned IP, subnet, dg, and dns, on a realtek based pci nic, and we can't get out.......  hmmm....
[03:01] <keffo> well, it didnt work really.. checked the other file now..
[03:01] <George__> hi
[03:01] <keffo> doesn work
[03:01] <IFR> Ah.
[03:01] <jamesio> IIIEars, I've got the source for klibido, installed all the libraries necessary, installed uudeview, but yet klibido configure says it's not installed
[03:01] <keffo> the timeline in my mediaplayer just goes, no minutes.. no nothing
[03:01] <keffo> :<
[03:01] <StarMkeSE> Absenth Nope...When I try to reach login1.telia.com, nothind happends...try to resolve all the time
[03:01] <George__> trying to do menu editing any ideas on how 2, cant find the menu editor
[03:01] <Absenth> starmkese, one second, grab a pen.
[03:02] <keffo> and there seems to be problems on the first one aswell, since there is no minutes.. and when i go forward the movie hang :<
[03:02] <IFR> keffo You want to split the files and then play each piece? Something about the debian motto comes to mind...
[03:02] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, ping 168.215.194.21 from linux, after statically assigning everything.
[03:02] <IFR> keffo, sorry about that - I did warn I didn't know if split would work with .avi. Anyone else have any ideas? Could be a useful thing to know
[03:03] <misieq> hi!
[03:03] <sorsis> has anyone thought to make livecd which knows howto boot windows also?
[03:03] <keffo> yes
[03:03] <HappyFool> i imagine you'll need a specialized app, or a video editor
[03:03] <sorsis> or then i could select to skip livecds bootting
[03:03] <Absenth> keffo, IFR, google: +linux +video editing
[03:03] <misieq> how can i check version of my ubuntu? because i'm pretty puzzled..
[03:03] <IFR> Thanks, Absenth!
[03:03] <StarMkeSE> Absenth I'll try this and I'll return in a minute or two
[03:03] <jamesio> sorsis... yeah, it's called "taking the cd out of the machine"
[03:04] <sorsis> misieq: select system from top of of gnome, then about ubuntu.
[03:04] <sorsis> jamesio: but i'm laszyyyy
[03:04] <misieq> yes, that's the thing which makes me puzzled
[03:04] <HappyFool> misieq: cat /etc/issue ?
[03:04] <jeroen_> sorsis, suse does that
[03:04] <sorsis> jeroen_: but i want ubuntu :)
[03:04] <jamesio> sorsis... hehe.. I guess the developers aren't
[03:04] <misieq> oh, i'll try this, HappyFool
[03:05] <sorsis> jamesio: something like whats with winxp installcd. it asks to press button if you want to use bootapp of installcd
[03:05] <Guybrush|Numb> anybody can tell where to set the preferred app to lauch on Video DVD insertion on hoary ? I want to use VLC instead of totem
[03:05] <teroedni> get the same message
[03:05] <teroedni> and if i try cdrom1 2 3 4 i  get
[03:06] <George__> what i do with a .deb?
[03:06] <ashen_> dpkg
[03:06] <misieq> yes, yes... it's 5.04... But why the hell 'Desktop->About Ubuntu' gives me a firefox window with "Welcome to Ubuntu Linux 4.10: The Warty Warthog Release" header??
[03:06] <jeroen_> George__, dpgk -i blabla.deb
[03:06] <g0tro0t> :-)
[03:06] <George__> yeah just found :D
[03:06] <ashen_> George: dpkg --install thing.deb
[03:06] <jamesio> sorsis, I knew what you meant.  sorry about the joke
[03:06] <ashen_> haha
[03:06] <teroedni> cant find media/cdrom3 / in /etc/fsstab or/etc/mtab
[03:06] <sorsis> jamesio: no problem. i'm not offended about that.
[03:07] <misieq> HappyFool, do u have a clue?
[03:07] <Corvus> http://www.haiztek.tk
[03:07] <jamesio> sorsis, last night was the first time I ran ubuntu on my main machine.  only have about 10 days experience with it.
[03:07] <HappyFool> misieq: err. no. Did you upgrade from warty to hoary?
[03:07] <IFR> George_: check this link for everything you need to know about apt-get http://www.debianuniverse.com/readonline/chapter/05
[03:07] <Corvus> uch!
[03:07] <Corvus> wrong window! :(
[03:07] <misieq> nope
[03:07] <jamesio> sorsis, took about 20 minutes just to figure out that the ubuntu nvidia drive didn't like my system.
[03:08] <antix> is there a deb for the new firefox out there?
[03:08] <sorsis> jamesio: i have used about 1h and 20min ubuntu and i like it :)
[03:08] <HappyFool> misieq: hrm. i get a 'Yelp' window with 'Welcome to Ubuntu Linux 5.04' ...
[03:08] <sorsis> jamesio: everything seems to run well
[03:08] <Absenth> hmmmm..... it's 8:08 am,  think I should make the 12cup pot of coffee, or the 45cup pot?
[03:08] <HappyFool> misieq: err, that's with System -> About Ubuntu
[03:09] <sorsis> jamesio: only thing that annoys me is that opengl is so slow compared to windows
[03:09] <HappyFool> Absenth: been up all night? ;)
[03:09] <sorsis> misieq: have gone to 5.04 by upgrading?
[03:09] <misieq> no, clean install
[03:09] <jamesio> sorsis, that's probably because you're having the same problem as I did... even though I installed all the nvidia stuff, it never "kicked in"
[03:09] <Absenth> HappyFool, i think I got 2 or 3 hours in there somewhere
[03:09] <misieq> HappyFool, it might be - i used localized version
[03:10] <jamesio> sorsis, I uninstalled it all and then downloaded the nvidia driver from nvidia, booted into recovery mode and installed it... make a couple changes to my x config and all is well
[03:10] <HappyFool> localized version of?
[03:10] <misieq> HappyFool, It opens file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html site in ff window
[03:10] <jamesio> sorsis, it appears as fast, if not faster
[03:10] <misieq> Ubuntu. I mean i have chosen pl during install
[03:10] <IIIEars> << Nvidia drivers work great - OpenGL slower?  - installed UT99 thismorning it works as well as in window.
[03:10] <sorsis> jamesio: thanks for the tip. i'll try that. do you have geforce6 allso?
[03:11] <George__> Nvdia driver working great!!!!
[03:11] <IIIEars> er windows -
[03:11] <jamesio> sorsis, nah... just a 5200 right now.
[03:11] <George__> it's been freezeing ET and UT
[03:11] <George__> i have a TI4800-8X
[03:11] <George__> i swear it's -8X 2
[03:11] <marcel_> Does anyone know what sort of wait there is for Ubuntu Cds being sent?
[03:11] <HappyFool> misieq: ok, maybe that's it... i don't know, sorry
[03:11] <ashen_> opengl should be faster
[03:11] <IFR> jgmbase, found the link and apt-getting it now. It's apparently as easy as udo apt-get install xfce4 (http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22416.html)
[03:11] <jamesio> sorsis, dual amd 2400, 2 gigs, 1.2 terabytes hd space, dell 20.1" lcd monitor & 2 Dell 18" lcds
[03:11] <marcel_> RE from the website
[03:12] <George__> i ordered 50, like 2 months back came yesterday
[03:12] <George__> sick....
[03:12] <George__> jamesio. Nice machine
[03:12] <jamesio> thanks
[03:12] <marcel_> hrm
[03:12] <jamesio> I'm trying my ass off to figure out how to get the other 2 monitors to load up
[03:12] <ashen_> if you type "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" she should fix any problems you're having with the x config not being right
[03:12] <ashen_> for opengl
[03:12] <misieq> HappyFool, well.. thanks anyway. it made me confused... but i'm sure it's hoary now
[03:12] <ashen_> not working fast
[03:12] <ashen_> that is
[03:13] <ashen_> jamesio: you read the nvidia readme... I just skimmed past their multiple monitor thing then
[03:13] <Absenth> going with the 12cup coffee Maker.  the 45 takes too long to brew, I'd be in a coma by the time it finishes.,
[03:13] <ashen_> ???
[03:13] <IIIEars> Ubuntu - is great - most things really do run faster in linux - i thought all linux users were just making up a story
[03:13] <sorsis> marcel_: i ordered mine allmost instantly when possible and got those few days ago. main reason for the delay was that 5.04 was not finished when i ordered.
[03:13] <jamesio> ashen_, I actually didn't see that... I'll go check it out in a few
[03:14] <ashen_> ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7174/README.txt
[03:14] <jamesio> I'm also trying to figure out why klibido fails on configure at uudeview
[03:14] <Xik0> how can i change my ip address? for example 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.20
[03:14] <ashen_> if you're using the 7174 drivers
[03:14] <Xik0> ?
[03:14] <ashen_> system
[03:14] <sorsis> marcel_: you get your images faster byt downloading i bet, but ordering is so easy and you get 10 copies of install and livecds to give those to your friends allso
[03:14] <ashen_> admin
[03:14] <ashen_> networking
[03:14] <jamesio> ashen_, if that's the latest, I got them last night
[03:14] <ashen_> mhmm
[03:14] <ashen_> thats it.
[03:14] <Absenth> on a *nix related question.  i don't suppose anyone has a link to a great Unix SMTP anti-virus gateway
[03:14] <ashen_> jamesio: I'm currently trying to get my card not to stall :p
[03:14] <George__> i got a AMD Sempron 1800 OC to 2.15. Corsair XMS 3200 (1GB), Dell P110, SIS 741GX-M, 40GB HD, 80GB HD, 20GB HD, 10GB HD, 16 GB HD, 2X CD Burner, LG DVD ROM, Old Sound Blaster, USB Hubs, Dell Speakers, Altec Lensing speakers, Hollywood 2 speakers, microsoft wireless optical mouse, Thermaltake 350Watt Power Supply.
[03:15] <ashen_> just got a new one... yesterday
[03:15] <George__> i upgrading though...
[03:15] <marcel_> sorsis: I live in New Zealand, so i'm assuming i'll be waiting another month
[03:15] <George__> case some wierd 1 with haandle
[03:15] <George__> i'm on ADSL
[03:15] <George__> lol but i only pay for DSL
[03:15] <jamesio> george, I also have a celeron 2.4, 1 gig, 40 gig boot, 6 internal 160 gig drives and 7 external usb2 300 gig drives sitting behind me
[03:15] <George__> LOL!
[03:15] <George__> i'm only 13..
[03:15] <Absenth> Drive envy.
[03:15] <George__> that's not it too
[03:15] <IFR> Hey guys, up and running on xfce4 and this is s w e e t
[03:15] <jamesio> geor, I'm 36...
[03:16] <George__> lol u old man !
[03:16] <ashen_> haha
[03:16] <ashen_> yeh
[03:16] <jamesio> geor, no kidding...
[03:16] <sorsis> marcel_: oh :) i just haven't used to that most people in world have slower connection than i do because in my country i have pretty slow connection :)
[03:16] <George__> i got a smoothwall, and a samba server
[03:16] <ashen_> xfce4 is the win
[03:16] <Absenth> I have access to 40u full of Netapps equipment totaling 12terabytes
[03:16] <jamesio> absen, is that for work?
[03:16] <Absenth> jamesio, yes it's at work.
[03:16] <IFR> ashen_ it rocks!
[03:16] <George__> Dad has lots of computer parts. he owns a store
[03:16] <ashen_> absenth: steal it for me
[03:17] <George__> the biggest hd i have is a 300GB but it's on the SERVER
[03:17] <George__> i can't take it OUT!
[03:17] <jamesio> if I went into what I have at work... you'd all shoot me
[03:17] <ashen_> IFR: I have it on my laptop
[03:17] <IIIEars> Er.. when my wife asks why i want more computer gear - can you explain it to her for me George__?
[03:17] <marcel_> sorsis, Finland?
[03:17] <sorsis> marcel_: yup.
[03:17] <jamesio> psssst... just got a dell 24" lcd for my work desktop
[03:17] <George__> Lol.... It's addictive. Always want Faster
[03:17] <hey2k5> can someone tell me where the packages that are installed on the system are? (the list)
[03:17] <George__> I HATE LCD, Bad for Gaming
[03:17] <ashen_> dpkg might be able to list em for you
[03:17] <jamesio> geor, then you haven't seen the dell lcd's
[03:17] <Absenth> ashen_ heh I think at $250k they might press charges.
[03:18] <IIIEars> "" LCD - Huge CRTs -
[03:18] <HappyFool> hey2k5: you can use synaptic to find out
[03:18] <marcel_> sorsis, when did you order your CDs?
[03:18] <George__> But i do play CS SOURCE using my Plasma Screen TV lol
[03:18] <George__> no the Dell LCD is nice
[03:18] <George__> i know
[03:18] <hey2k5> ok, thanks
[03:18] <George__> in general i hate lcd
[03:18] <ashen_> Absenth: yeh... on you tho... it'd be totally sweet!
[03:18] <jamesio> George__, I play ut on it all the time
[03:18] <ashen_> Absenth: flawless plan!
[03:18] <sorsis> marcel_: more than month ago. maybe two or more. i'm not sure.
[03:18] <Absenth> ashen_: that think is wicked, if a drive fails not only does it page us, it orders a replacement drive for us, and e-mails us the tracking numbers
[03:18] <George__> i use a 54" big screen  that we use to watch dvds and movies on
[03:18] <HappyFool> hey2k5: System -> Administration -> Synaptic, Status (bottom left) then Installed (in the left list)
[03:18] <George__> better than gay 21" dell screen
[03:18] <IIIEars> jamesio - me too installed ut'99 yesterday - amazing how fast it is.
[03:18] <ashen_> Absenth: I love technology
[03:19] <ashen_> :p
[03:19] <Absenth> Geroge_ I'm using a 12" screen.
[03:19] <George__> IIIEar ur system Specs?
[03:19] <jamesio> IIIEars, ut99???
[03:19] <hey2k5> thanks HappyFool
[03:19] <George__> LOL, i am using a 15" as we speak
[03:19] <ashen_> I need to get my card working
[03:19] <ashen_> *cries*
[03:19] <sorsis> IIIEars: you mean unreal tournament?
[03:19] <ashen_> someone who has a 6600 help me!
[03:19] <lypanov> dum
[03:19] <Absenth> George_ it's attached to a <5lb notebook that has been on the battery for the last 3 hours.
[03:19] <IIIEars> The original Unreal Tournament.
[03:19] <lypanov> how on earth can i make my apt-get work again?
[03:19] <jamesio> IIIEars, ah...
[03:19] <ashen_> lypanov: depends on the problem
[03:20] <George__> i bought a FX5600 spend back, i bought a ATI 9600SE sent back, then i got a Ti4200-8x and flashed bios to TI4800 and it's been kicking FX5600 and FX5700 arse
[03:20] <lypanov> ashen_: -f install gives : : Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:20] <George__> dad is bit ticked though. I'm using my allowence on computers 2 much
[03:20] <lypanov> ashen_: and everything else says, use -f install
[03:20] <lypanov> and all i did was get a full hdd while installing a pkg
[03:20] <George__> hmm. Question y do i have to do killall esd to make wolf et boot?
[03:20] <ashen_> ...-_-' is it still full?
[03:20] <ashen_> :p
[03:20] <jamesio> for a good laugh, http://www.geocities.com/JamesIO/chase.png   that is about a 5 month old picture of my computer set up
[03:20] <George__> y is the nvidia driver still fooking with me
[03:21] <George__> my website is: stephen.nexlinks.net
[03:21] <jamesio> don't mind my son in the pic... he thought it was cool that the monitors were that big
[03:21] <lypanov> ashen_: nope i'm not that silly :P
[03:21] <ashen_> the nvidia driver is fooking with everyone george
[03:21] <George__> ur married james
[03:21] <jamesio> yes
[03:21] <George__> wow dual monitors
[03:21] <jamesio> 2 kids,
[03:21] <jamesio> George__, look again
[03:21] <ashen_> lypanov: have you tried getting a deb and dpkging manually... just to see what it returns?
[03:21] <George__> i know 4
[03:21] <George__> or more
[03:21] <George__> Steve has like 7
[03:21] <George__> he's a computer html coder/programmer pretty sick
[03:22] <George__> nice...
[03:22] <jamesio> if I had more slots, I could do 5 dell lcd monitors...
[03:22] <ashen_> lypanov: or do "man dpkg" and see if it tells you what error code 1 means
[03:22] <George__> how much ur electric bills?
[03:22] <IIIEars> lol - thats great! - my desk looks like that too. - no room for my knees under the desk. - too many machines
[03:22] <jamesio> George__, actually... very little
[03:22] <George__> very little? bs
[03:22] <Absenth> http://www.darksidepraetorians.com/absenth/lan-large.gif
[03:22] <jamesio> George__, about 90$ a month
[03:22] <George__> wow... how?
[03:22] <IIIEars> Had to run an extension cord from the other room. just drawing too much juice - grin
[03:23] <jamesio> George__, I live in Louisiana... electricity isn't that expensive here
[03:23] <George__> O u lucky.
[03:23] <George__> we pay like 200 bux a month almost
[03:23] <jamesio> in Michigan, my electric was about $300
[03:23] <jamesio> but I didn't have lcd's at the time
[03:23] <George__> wow, i outta move to where u live
[03:23] <jamesio> and had 2 racks in my room
[03:23] <teroedni> ok hope i can get some more help
[03:23] <George__> lcd power savers?
[03:23] <ashen_> we pay... 450 a month... ish
[03:23] <George__> Teroendi what u neeD?
[03:23] <ashen_> electricity that is
[03:23] <glauc> hey, quick question, how do I search for a package?
[03:24] <jeroen_> glauc, with synaptic?
[03:24] <Absenth> our power bill is roughly $100 a month, give or take.
[03:24] <jamesio> George__, my 5 lcd monitors draw less power than my 21" crt does
[03:24] <HappyFool> use synaptic
[03:24] <b3ar1n0> giauc apt-cache aptitude:)
[03:24] <glauc> k thanks
[03:24] <HappyFool> click the 'search' button ;)
[03:24] <George__> amazing only paying 200 bux when we have a working server rack, samba server, upstairs machine, downstairs machine, basement machine X2,
[03:24] <teroedni> my cdrom is hdc but mstab or fstab doent contains hdc??
[03:24] <George__> and more
[03:24] <ashen_> but we have... 5 computers always-on... plus... a freaking huge tv... and you know... all of the sort of appliences that eat power.
[03:24] <George__> my dad is crazier
[03:24] <glauc> I dont have a GUI, i'm trying to install the xfree86-xorg packages
[03:24] <mijndert> my parents are mad at me, electric bills are to high.. (Holland)
[03:24] <jamesio> me too... I just bought this 3100 sq/ft house back in december... the a/c runs all the time
[03:25] <George__> he go buy freaken water cooling, and literally put water in a case, but comptuer parts dont go fry
[03:25] <ashen_> apt-get install xorg
[03:25] <George__> i wanna BETTER COMMPuuter
[03:25] <ashen_> or rather xorg-common
[03:25] <George__> xorg-common?
[03:25] <ashen_> for glauc
[03:25] <George__> problem: NVIDIA Driver causing pain... random freezing during game play (linux native)
[03:25] <teroedni> after i try to mount hdc mont dev/hdc i get answer cant find dev/hdc i etc/fstab or etc/mtab
[03:25] <jamesio> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=70056&hl=en
[03:25] <ashen_> yay
[03:26] <jamesio> that's where I live
[03:26] <glauc> it saysa "Couldnt find package xorg"
[03:26] <George__> why! why! why!
[03:26] <George__> cool... jamesio i needa ur help
[03:26] <ashen_> George__: you should count yourself lucky, when I run glx I get freezes whilst TYPING
[03:26] <jamesio> George__, I'm trying to figure out what kind of system to get also...
[03:26] <George__> jamesio wait
[03:26] <jamesio> George__, what kind of help?
[03:26] <George__> new SDA2 came out,
[03:26] <George__> nvidia fucking freezing
[03:26] <George__> opps.. sorry
[03:26] <George__> didn't mean to say the f word
[03:26] <George__> i mean
[03:26] <George__> problem: NVIDIA Driver causing pain... random freezing during game play (linux native)
[03:26] <ashen_> I forgive you
[03:26] <ashen_> :p
[03:27] <George__> glx is fine
[03:27] <jamesio> my nvidia only freezes when I run certain screen savers... and it doesn't just freeze lightly... the whole system stops
[03:27] <George__> yeah same
[03:27] <jeff_co> hi all, i just installed ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary) today. it comes with Firefox 1.0.2. How can get Firefox 1.0.4 (the latest version) without any problems or software conflict? can anyone please teach me, a newbie?
[03:27] <George__> but i have no screensaver, and i just playing AA and it freeze
[03:27] <jamesio> I'm running the new nvidia drivers...
[03:27] <George__> jeff_co u doNT nneed
[03:27] <jamesio> but I'm also running the k7-smp kernel
[03:27] <ashen_> sounds like the new drives are giving us all strive
[03:27] <ashen_> *strife
[03:27] <ashen_> I'm reverting to 6629 or whatever they  are
[03:28] <George__> i have a amd k-5, and a i486 that was like 2,000 bux bak then
[03:28] <HappyFool> teroedni: hrm, have you tried just editing /etc/fstab ?
[03:28] <George__> ti's fully loaded
[03:28] <George__> i have a atari that works 2
[03:28] <jamesio> George__, I have an apple //e in my closet that was about $3000 before you were born
[03:28] <George__> i have a apple 2
[03:28] <George__> i was born in 1992
[03:28] <jamesio> ok, now it's official... I'm old.   once you use "before you were born"
[03:28] <teroedni> would that help?
[03:28] <George__> i have a atari... that's old 2
[03:28] <IIIEars> lol
[03:29] <ashen_>  haha
[03:29] <George__> lol. It looks more like a type writer 2 me
[03:29] <jamesio> George__, but what you don't understand is that the apple //e in my closet was mine when I was 12
[03:29] <jamesio> and it still works
[03:29] <George__> LOL. Good job!
[03:29] <IIIEars> owned a new commodore.
[03:29] <George__> i'm 13 so i outta keep everything i got now good
[03:29] <ashen_> haha
[03:29] <jeff_co> George__,  but it makes it easier to download extensions at  the mozzila website.
[03:29] <ashen_> those old apples never break
[03:29] <HappyFool> teroedni: well, i don't know how to reconfigure /etc/fstab; that will work
[03:29] <George__> so NVIDIA (latest) been giving problems 2 people?
[03:29] <ashen_> apple have always built things solid as a brick
[03:29] <HappyFool> teroedni: what happens when you put a cd in the drive? it doesn't get automounted?
[03:29] <jamesio> evidently...
[03:29] <Absenth> IIEars, I also owned a new commodore 64:)
[03:29] <George__> jeff_co: it does? i just install and it works :D
[03:30] <ashen_> they even used to look like bricks
[03:30] <George__> hmm
[03:30] <George__> u sure?
[03:30] <runedude> hiya, all.. i just installed ubuntu 5.04 hoary and it never prompted me for a root password.... is there a default?
[03:30] <Absenth> IIIEars, 64k of ram was a lot back then.
[03:30] <ashen_> nope
[03:30] <jeff_co> are you on firefox 1.0,2?
[03:30] <jeff_co> George__,
[03:30] <jeff_co> ?
[03:30] <ashen_> ubuntu doesn't have a root account
[03:30] <teroedni> yup it doesnt
[03:30] <George__> yup
[03:30] <jamesio> runedude, you may want to read up on the security in ubuntu
[03:30] <HappyFool> runedude: root is disabled; use 'sudo'
[03:30] <ashen_> use sudo and your password
[03:30] <jamesio> *YOU* are the root
[03:30] <George__> hmm. I never seen this
[03:30] <George__> it wants me to update
[03:30] <teroedni> it is in my bios
[03:30] <ashen_> or "sudo -s" to switch to root for a terminal session
[03:30] <George__> wow...
[03:30] <Absenth> so no-one here is a network administrator type, is that a rather correcct assumption?
[03:30] <ashen_> (so you dont have to keep typing sudo)
[03:31] <IIIEars> it was huge - and audio tape drives added the needed storage for programs
[03:31] <marcel_> Is that secure?!
[03:31] <George__> jeff_co: sorry didn't know this was here. I was on last night and it was fine...
[03:31] <marcel_> RE no root
[03:31] <ashen_> Absenth: what do you mean?
[03:31] <Dalkus> yeah, its secure
[03:31] <jamesio> Absenth, well I'm an IT Director for a medical company, but we only use Windows
[03:31] <HappyFool> teroedni: does sudo mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 work ?
[03:31] <Dalkus> it's said to be more secure, but thats a matter of opinion
[03:31] <Dalkus> HappyFool, yes
[03:31] <Absenth> I'm ISO a good howto, on a *nix based SMTP virus filtering gateway.
[03:31] <runedude> HappyFool, I want root....
[03:31] <HappyFool> Dalkus: err, hmm ?
[03:31] <runedude> jamesio, where can I find that?
[03:31] <Dalkus> sorry wrong nic
[03:31] <Dalkus> *nick
[03:31] <teroedni> havent tried restarted now and switch the drive from master to slave
[03:31] <marcel_> Why has the root/user system been messed around with?
[03:32] <Absenth> I would assume it's going to use postfix, and then something to manage the virus scanning of all the mail that passes through,
[03:32] <HappyFool> runedude: look on ubuntuguide.org to enable root
[03:32] <teroedni> will try when im in thanks:)
[03:32] <ashen_> runedude.... dont enable root
[03:32] <runedude> why?
[03:32] <ashen_> runedude: once you get used to it its so much better
[03:32] <George__> i get u http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34099
[03:32] <George__> i get u http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34099http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34099
[03:32] <Absenth> Jamesio, you guys use something like Symantec's SMTP-Antivirus Gateway?
[03:32] <George__> jeff_co  u http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34099http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34099
[03:32] <ashen_> runedude: besides, you never want to run a session in root neway...
[03:32] <runedude> sudo blows
[03:33] <runedude> i never could use it
[03:33] <runedude> it always returned errors
[03:33] <jeroen_> runedude, than sudo -s
[03:33] <HappyFool> runedude: see ubuntuguide.org
[03:33] <ashen_> runedude: O_o
[03:33] <glauc> so sudo and set the root pw and then use root
[03:33] <IIIEars> HappyFool - aliasing your frequently used commands works too.
[03:33] <glauc> thats what I did
[03:33] <ashen_> runedude: okay then... whatevers good :p
[03:33] <glauc> is ubuntu still the #1 downloaded distro?
[03:33] <runedude> lol
[03:33] <George__> hey abesenth how u do that?
[03:33] <glauc> Absenth: I run root on my apple too :)
[03:33] <runedude> it still asks for a password to sudo w/
[03:34] <runedude> ok i got it
[03:34] <Absenth> George__ do what?
[03:34] <runedude> thanks cya
[03:34] <runedude> and ill try to use sudo
[03:34] <George__> that think
[03:34] <George__> yeah that
[03:34] <George__> how
[03:34] <Absenth> ahhh.....  /me
[03:34] <jeffco> George__,
[03:35] <George__> jeffco u can jjust upgrade
[03:35] <George__> i upgraded now, works fine
[03:35] <George__> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34099
[03:35] <jeffco>  George__ , i read the link, what's backporting? is backporting the same as upgrading?
[03:35] <topyli> glauc: how can we know if it ever was?
[03:35] <ashen_> yay for kernel headers!
[03:35] <Absenth> jeffco, what are you trying to upgrade from/to?
[03:35] <George__> hell, i just dled the 1.0.4 tar.gz and installed
[03:36] <George__> apt-get remove firefox
[03:36] <ashen_> backporting is making code thats made for a newer system work on an old one... I think
[03:36] <George__> the fook,
[03:36] <George__> i wasnt in console
[03:36] <zenlunatic> Is there a way to centralize bookmarks over multiple systems?
[03:36] <ashen_> like running... gnome bittorrent on warty
[03:36] <George__> noooo, how do i delete firefox
[03:36] <George__> i know.
[03:36] <ashen_> synaptic george.
[03:36] <ashen_> why would you want to tho
[03:36] <George__> na add ore remove
[03:36] <Absenth> zenlunatic, yes, but its far too early for me to come up with an exact howto.
[03:36] <jamesio> Absenth, we use scanmail from trend micro
[03:37] <Absenth> jamesio, any idea what that runs annually?
[03:37] <jamesio> sorry, ran off to find info for runedude (of course he left before I came back)
[03:37] <ashen_> google it zenlunatic... shouldn't be too hard to find
[03:37] <ashen_> :)
[03:37] <jeffco> from firefox 1.0.2 to 1.0.4, Absenth .
[03:37] <Absenth> George___, closer to thirty then I'd like.
[03:37] <George__> ur old man
[03:37] <Absenth> jeffco, sudo apt-get update,  sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:37] <jamesio> Absenth, it depends on the number of users, but trust me... it's the best and cheapest of the lot.  plus you can buy a whole suite that will do all servers, desktops and your email systems/gateways
[03:38] <ashen_> okeeh... gonna try some old nvidia drivers... wish me luck :p (bbs)
[03:38] <Absenth> jeffco, unless 1.0.4 hasn't made it into apt-get yet.
[03:38] <jamesio> Absenth, and they all will auto-update daily and NEVER crash or fail.  plus they all use the same dat file
[03:38] <teroedni> wow:9
[03:38] <George__> absenth, i just installed
[03:38] <jamesio> Absenth, brb... food
[03:38] <George__> freaken working fine :D, gonna try extensions
[03:38] <Absenth> jamesio, I'm starting a new job june 1 as the network administrator for a 15 user office.  I think Norton's is $550 a year.
[03:38] <teroedni> i get you most specify the filesytem type what do do???
[03:39] <HappyFool> teroedni: is there a CD in the drive?
[03:39] <teroedni> yes
[03:39] <George__> Norton is garbage
[03:39] <jamesio> Absenth, trust me... I used Norton, Mcafee and a slew of others and Trend Micro was the best and cheapest
[03:40] <HappyFool> teroedni: just a moment, let me try it here
[03:40] <Absenth> Jamesio, I'll look into that for sure.  I know there are packages to do it in unix as well, but I do like having someone to call if it all goes south.
[03:40] <teroedni> okey:)
[03:40] <George__> ooo, wtf
[03:40] <HappyFool> teroedni: try 'sudo mount -t auto /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0'
[03:40] <George__> it's still firefox 1.0.2
[03:40] <George__> ahahha
[03:40] <HappyFool> are you *sure* /dev/hdc is your cdrom ?
[03:40] <George__> it's mostly /media/something
[03:41] <Bramme> it takes 5 minutes to boot OOo (version1.1.3 , Ubuntu Linux), while it took only 5 seconds on the same machine with debian... i just get the splash screen when the loading-bar is full, the splash stays for a couple of minutes without any proc or disk activity
[03:41] <teroedni> now no its hdd but i changed it when i are typing
[03:41] <HappyFool> well, are you sure it's whatever you're typing :-)
[03:41] <HappyFool> anyway, did that mount command work?
[03:41] <jeffco> Absenth, i ran sudo apt-get update. nothing happened.
[03:41] <jamesio> Absenth, it's worth trying out...
[03:41] <George__> where u root?
[03:42] <George__> wow... what a pain in the buttox?
[03:42] <jeffco> is it safe to install Firefox 1.0.4? what will i then do with the 1.0.2 which Ubuntu installed?
[03:42] <George__> it wont upgrade to 1.0.4
[03:42] <teroedni> okey now it comes some information
[03:42] <Absenth> jeffco, nothing?
[03:42] <HappyFool> jeff_co: if you install it in your home directory, it should be fine
[03:43] <jeffco> Absenth, Fetched 34.1kB in 2s (11.7kB/s)
[03:43] <jeffco> Reading package lists... Done
[03:43] <jeffco> HappyFool, George__ , what do i do with 1.0.2? do i delete it?
[03:43] <Absenth> jeffco, sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:43] <George__> ... i guess if u WANT 2
[03:43] <HappyFool> jeffco: i wouldn't bother
[03:43] <jeffco> do i have any use for backports?
[03:43] <George__> but if u install it on the desktop, i guessing u can use both
[03:43] <George__> but u can remove
[03:43] <HappyFool> you aren't going to get 1.0.4 from the ubuntu repositories
[03:43] <Absenth> jeffco, update tells it to find what new packages exist,  upgrade tells it to install all the updated programs.
[03:44] <George__> use synaptic
[03:44] <George__> to remove
[03:44] <George__> i always have error when doing apt-get update
[03:44] <HappyFool> teroedni: are you getting anywhere?
[03:44] <George__> illegal sources
[03:44] <Absenth> Jamesio, thanks for the heads up on trendmicro.
[03:44] <jeffco> if i remove 1.0.2 (via synaptic as you recommend), there is no danger/ software problems, right, George__  and HappyFool  and Absenth ?
[03:44] <George__> yeah no danger
[03:44] <teroedni> i getmedia/crom does not exist
[03:45] <George__> just UNINSTALL firefox only
[03:45] <HappyFool> jeffco: no, synaptic will check for dependencies
[03:45] <George__> wait, dont ask me anymore
[03:45] <George__> i dunno what i'm talking aout
[03:45] <Absenth> wow, 3 hours on the battery, and I'm still at 55%
[03:45] <jeffco> okay i finished downloading 1.0.4, now how do i install it?
[03:45] <George__> it's tar.bz?
[03:45] <George__> it's tar.gz?
[03:46] <jamesio> Absenth, the one thing I will say: in the 3 years since we've switched to it... we've never had it fail/crash.  it never needs minding other than the occasional log review
[03:46] <George__> right click on the firefox, extract here
[03:46] <jeffco> yes, it's tar.gz
[03:46] <jamesio> Absenth, we have desktops auto-install/update at boot and also at night (if left running)
[03:46] <teroedni> but the device manager list it as matshita cr585
[03:46] <George__> u wanna do console?
[03:47] <HappyFool> ah crap, by cdrom is b0rked
[03:47] <George__> tar -xzvf or something i dunno
[03:47] <teroedni> block device string dev/hdd so it is here
[03:47] <jeffco> George__,  u talking to me?
[03:47] <George__> sure
[03:47] <George__> did u extract to desktop? or home folder?
[03:47] <jeffco> sure.
[03:47] <Absenth> jamesio, fantastic.  that's how the health department runs their symantec system.
[03:47] <HappyFool> teroedni: do you get this error: "mount: No medium found" ?
[03:47] <jeffco> any easy way to install the tar.gz files
[03:47] <George__> yeah
[03:47] <anathema> does anyone here use VLC ?
[03:47] <George__> i private message u sec
[03:47] <anathema> to play files
[03:48] <jamesio> Absenth, and the install took less than an hour...
[03:48] <teroedni> i get media/cdrom0 doesnt exist
[03:48] <HappyFool> oh
[03:48] <HappyFool> oops
[03:48] <anathema> the hotkeys dont work worth shit it seems
[03:48] <topyli> teroedni: well does it? :)
[03:48] <HappyFool> does /media/cdrom0 exist ?
[03:48] <Absenth> jamesio, so what' your running for mail, is attached to the exchange/domino server?  or is it a gateway product that then forwards mail to exchange/domino/postfix/sendmail
[03:49] <teroedni> how do i find out that?
[03:49] <HappyFool> teroedni: try 'ls -d /media/cdrom0'
[03:49] <HappyFool> note /media/cdrom0 , not media/cdrom0
[03:49] <jamesio> Absenth, it runs on the exchange server.
[03:49] <Absenth> jamesio, perfect.
[03:49] <jamesio> Absenth, they also make a gateway product, but it's not really necessary
[03:50] <teroedni> it says with blue   /media/cdrom0
[03:50] <HappyFool> ok, that's goo
[03:50] <Absenth> jamesio, it might be, we have an exchange server for in the office mail, but a postfix server for our web site customers.
[03:50] <HappyFool> try the mount command again
[03:50] <HappyFool> but remember it's /media/cdrom0, not media/cdrom0
[03:50] <Absenth> jamesio, assuming we want to provide virus filtering for their mailboxes as well.
[03:50] <HappyFool> sudo mount -t auto /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0
[03:51] <jamesio> Absenth, true... we only run our single mail server.  heck, it's still exchange 5.5
[03:51] <Absenth> George__ you're 13 right?
[03:51] <George__> yeah
[03:51] <we2by> is there a root account on Ubuntu?
[03:51] <jamesio> yup, he's a youngin
[03:51] <George__> what that meaN? youngin!
[03:51] <Absenth> George___, I have a computer in my closet that's as old as you are.
[03:51] <bassMonkey> I have to ask, i'd like to try out a program without really installing it so if i'd do a 'configure' and then 'make', not doing a 'make install' nothing would actually leave the directory i'm compiling in?
[03:51] <George__> lol
[03:51] <Absenth> George___ 114mhz SGI Indy.
[03:51] <George__> i have a 2mhz
[03:52] <HappyFool> we2by: it's disabled by default. use 'sudo' for admin tasks
[03:52] <jamesio> we2by, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[03:52] <jamesio> Absenth, same here...
[03:52] <Absenth> George___ with a MIPS R4400 processor.  And as a Mips-Debian box, it smokes my Celeron 500 in most CLI based tasks.
[03:52] <we2by> why is that so?
[03:52] <George__> lol
[03:52] <HappyFool> bassMonkey: yeah. I usually do ./configure --prefix=$HOME/usr   -- then it gets installed in my home-dir
[03:52] <jamesio> we2by, read the link I posted to you
[03:53] <topyli> bassMonkey: that's right
[03:53] <teroedni> and tehn comes you most specify the filesystem type
[03:53] <bassMonkey> ok, thanks
[03:53] <HappyFool> teroedni:   try sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0
[03:53] <ashen_> the 7167 drivers havent crashed yet
[03:53] <jamesio> ok, can anyone help me with klibido stopping on configure complaining about uudeview not being installed?  (even though it's installed properly)
[03:54] <ashen_> not me.
[03:54] <ashen_> :p
[03:55] <Ashims> yay
[03:55] <Ashims> my name changed
[03:55] <Ashims> :p
[03:55] <bennoh> Just tried to install Firefox 1.0.4 and it gives an error stating: cant open library xpistub
[03:55] <Ashims> k... gonna crash it now... here we go
[03:55] <Ashims> (go tuxracer)
[03:55] <teroedni> wrong fs type bad option bad superblock on /dev/hdd
[03:56] <Ashims> well... the menu worked...
[03:56] <teroedni> missing codepages or other error
[03:56] <HappyFool> teroedni: hmm
[03:56] <HappyFool> on which ide bus is the cd-rom installed?
[03:56] <Absenth> has anyone else noticed that it's very early?
[03:57] <teroedni> ide bus 2
[03:57] <teroedni> i had both on ide bus 1 but changed the cd to ide bus 2 to get betterperformance
[03:57] <Absenth> My brain feels like a porsche 911 Cararra GT that's stuck in neutral.
[03:57] <Ashims> FWAH!
[03:57] <Ashims> IT DIDN"T STALL!
[03:57] <teroedni> sound wouldnt play properly
[03:58] <HappyFool> teroedni: try this. 'cd /proc/ide' , then 'ls'
[03:58] <HappyFool> or just ls /proc/ide
[03:58] <jamesio> Absenth, I'm running at redline, but my tires are just spinning...
[03:58] <HappyFool> what do you see there ?
[03:58] <teroedni> and then?
[03:58] <HappyFool> type ls
[03:58] <IIIEars> jamesio - "More Coffee.." - grin
[03:58] <HappyFool> what files do you see there
[03:58] <HappyFool> ?
[03:58] <Absenth> jamesio, wonder which one of us will blow the engine first.
[03:59] <HappyFool> if it's just one line (it should be) paste it here
[03:59] <teroedni> green then blue hdb hdd ideo ide1
[03:59] <Jormundgand> Hmm. Why is it that windows won't go behind the top bar with the GNOME menu in, but they will go behind other bars, and how can I prevent this?
[03:59] <HappyFool> hmm
[03:59] <jamesio> this problem is bugging me.  I compiled and installed uudeview from source and klibido still bitches that it's not installed
[04:00] <jamesio> oh, and what do you guys suggest for backing up my machine?
[04:00] <HappyFool> teroedni: ok, try 'cat hdc/driver'
[04:00] <universal> hwo to make a windows and a ubuntu partition on a hdd?
[04:00] <HappyFool> paste the output here again
[04:00] <Bramme> shuck, i forgot the bash command to tell me in what dir i am :s
[04:00] <Bramme> :$
[04:00] <HappyFool> Bramme: pwd
[04:00] <universal> does someone know that?
[04:01] <teroedni> write cat hdd/driver and get ide-cdrom version 4.61
[04:01] <universal> me?
[04:01] <HappyFool> teroedni: ok, so that confirms your cdrom is connected to hdd. What sort of disc is in the CD-rom drive? a dvd?
[04:01] <bennoh> universal: assuming you're on windows right now ??
[04:01] <K_Dallas> universal, do you have unused partitions on your HD?
[04:01] <universal> bennoh, nope on ubuntu
[04:01] <Absenth> alright I'm going to go try some extreme measures to wake up.
[04:01] <teroedni> nope a music cd
[04:01] <universal> no
[04:01] <Absenth> see everyone later maybe.
[04:02] <HappyFool> teroedni: ah
[04:02] <Cal[] John> argh!: "Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[04:02] <Cal[] John> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code".  Anyone know what the issue is?
[04:02] <HappyFool> ok, you can't mount a music cd ;)
[04:02] <teroedni> :P
[04:02] <teroedni> okey
[04:02] <teroedni> but how to get the cdrom working with thw music cd
[04:02] <bennoh> universal: I just installed Ubuntu on another hdd to test.
[04:02] <universal> bennoh, so actually i have to delete my hdd first,?
[04:02] <teroedni> so i can play music???
[04:03] <bennoh> universal: backup would be better :-)
[04:03] <FreezerX> Is it possible to run a typhoon dvb-t duo digital with ubuntu? I can't find a wikipage for a description.
[04:03] <IFR> Anyone know whtat the notation in Top, "100% id" means?
[04:03] <wizard_31> sure it's not in the sound settings
[04:03] <K_Dallas> universal, 1: resize your windows partition, or 2. add a new HD,
[04:03] <HappyFool> teroedni: what happens when you goto Applications -> Sound and video -> CD player ?
[04:03] <StarMkeSE> IFR Now I'm back..I tried to reinstall Linux but I think I have found a bug
[04:04] <IFR> Oh?
[04:04] <universal> K_Dallas, hmm, but i dont have any windoes partition yet
[04:04] <universal> K_Dallas, ubuntu is using the whole hdd
[04:04] <IFR> A bug with what ?
[04:04] <K_Dallas> :) ok i am confused, sorry
[04:04] <teroedni> *blushing*
[04:04] <K_Dallas> you have a blank HD and need to install xp and ubuntu?
[04:04] <teroedni> it works
[04:04] <sascha__> hi, can anybody help me with my hp-deskjet in gimp?
[04:04] <HappyFool> heh
[04:04] <HappyFool> ok
[04:04] <universal> K_Dallas, exactly
[04:05] <StarMkeSE> IFR yes...suddenly during installation I got resolving from DHCP but at the final part of the installation, it stopped when it was listening for network
[04:05] <HappyFool> lets just look inside /etc/fstab quickly anyway
[04:05] <StarMkeSE> IFR right after detecting CD-ROM
[04:05] <HappyFool> teroedni: type cat /etc/fstab|grep cdrom
[04:05] <K_Dallas> so first install XP and make sure you leave room for ubuntu, then install ubuntu on the rest of your hd
[04:05] <HappyFool> there should be just one line of output: paste it here
[04:05] <universal> K_Dallas, i will delete my hdd and then make 2 partitions on the hdd, one for ubuntu and one for windoes
[04:06] <IFR> Hmmm. what happens when you do (from a terminal) cat /var/log/dmesg | grep eth
[04:06] <universal> K_Dallas, ok, that should be possible?
[04:06] <K_Dallas> if you have backed up your stuff, just put your XP CD in and bootfrom it
[04:06] <StarMkeSE> universal make three partition. Linux asks for 2 partitions
[04:06] <capi> when messing with file permissions for a http server, isn't there something like  `$ chgrp www-doc <folde>' you can do to get the files working correctly?
[04:06] <universal> StarMkeSE, ohh, ok, yes, swap
[04:06] <sascha__> my printer doesnt work in gimp. Just no reaction. Can anybody help please?
[04:06] <Bramme> working a few hours with ubuntu and already 2 very important appz that don't work... debian was depressing, but ubuntu is too in that case
[04:06] <teroedni> /dev/hda              media/cdrom0      udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto   0       0
[04:06] <K_Dallas> then delete all the existing partions when you are prompted fo, make a smaller one for your XP and install it there and then ubuntu
[04:06] <JorisK> hello everyone
[04:06] <IFR> Hi JorisK
[04:06] <JorisK> Can anyone help me to setup composite?
[04:07] <JorisK> I've installed Hoary and it seems that it recognizes my ATI radeon 9800
[04:07] <StarMkeSE> IFR Should I report this problem during installation as a bug?
[04:07] <IFR> Did you see my last message?
[04:07] <HappyFool> teroedni: hrm, that looks wrong
[04:07] <JorisK> is there a manual what i need to do to get composite and all it's nice stuff working?
[04:07] <universal> K_Dallas, but what program shall i use for partiotioning my hdd?
[04:07] <IFR> StarMkeSE what happens when you do (from a terminal) cat /var/log/dmesg | grep eth
[04:07] <mr_roboto> IFR: nothing
[04:07] <HappyFool> teroedni: that's cut-and-pasted exactly?
[04:07] <StarMkeSE> IFR No I'm afraid not :(
[04:07] <IFR> StarMkeSE what happens when you do (from a terminal) cat /var/log/dmesg | grep eth
[04:07] <universal> K_Dallas, Fstab?
[04:07] <teroedni> no
[04:07] <mr_roboto> IFR unless you have a log called "dmesg"
[04:07] <K_Dallas> universal, XP can do it
[04:07] <IFR> Doh!
[04:07] <monk> quick question
[04:08] <K_Dallas> universal, then ubuntu does it for your linux
[04:08] <universal> K_Dallas, partition magic?
[04:08] <IFR> :P
[04:08] <teroedni> i havent actually the right spaces betwen
[04:08] <monk> someone said ubuntu has OOO2 in the repos?
[04:08] <K_Dallas> nope, WindowsXP CD
[04:08] <IFR> StarMkeSE what happens when you do (from a terminal) cat /var/log/dmsg | grep eth
[04:08] <StarMkeSE> IFR hmmm... I didn't understand that :/
[04:08] <IFR> Okay, open a terminal window
[04:08] <IFR> type:
[04:08] <universal> K_Dallas, o, but i have to be careful not using all of my space on Windoes?
[04:08] <HappyFool> teroedni: did you edit this file previously ?
[04:08] <teroedni> but the words are correct
[04:08] <K_Dallas> universal, when you start installing XP from the WinXP CD, at some point it goes into partitioning etc
[04:08] <K_Dallas> universal, exactly
[04:08] <HappyFool> teroedni: anyway, you want the line to look like this:
[04:08] <teroedni> nope never
[04:08] <universal> K_Dallas, ahh ok
[04:09] <IFR> cat /var/log/dmesg | grep eth0
[04:09] <universal> K_Dallas, and i can ajust how much space i whant to use?
[04:09] <HappyFool> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[04:09] <K_Dallas> universal, delete all the existing partitions, then create one with half the size of your HD or as you desire
[04:09] <IFR> Tell me what comes out
[04:09] <HappyFool> teroedni: note the '/' in front of media -- it's important!
[04:09] <K_Dallas> all that i am telling you can be done with WinxXP CD
[04:09] <StarMkeSE> IFR I don't acctully know.. Hasn't tried it
[04:09] <K_Dallas> during the initial setup
[04:09] <JorisK> Where can i find / install composite?
[04:09] <Jormundgand> Question: How do I stop windows from going behind any of the GNOME panels? Currently they only refuse to go under the top bar.
[04:09] <universal> K_Dallas, ok, so i only need to make 1 partition
[04:10] <K_Dallas> universal, you just need you XP CD and Ubuntu XD, no need to partiton magic
[04:10] <IFR> OKay, there are a couple of main places which important things are noted by your machine.
[04:10] <IFR> You want to check those bwcause often the answer is there.
[04:10] <K_Dallas> with XP, make one partiton for your XP, when you finished, boot from your ubunut CD and it would take care of the rest
[04:10] <IFR> StarMkeSE, have you used Linux for long?
[04:10] <universal> K_Dallas, and afterwards when windoes is installed, i can just insert the ubuntu cd, and it will make a new partition automatically?
[04:11] <universal> K_Dallas, after reboot ofcause
[04:11] <wizard_31> anyone got a webcam working?
[04:11] <K_Dallas> universal, it has an option to do it for you (use the unsed part of your HD)
[04:12] <K_Dallas> or you can do it step by step
[04:12] <StarMkeSE> IFR No I'm a competley new with Linux... Totaly novice
[04:12] <universal> K_Dallas, ok
[04:12] <K_Dallas> good luck
[04:13] <universal> ill hten try removing the hdd now, and then first with my windoes cd and afterwards the ubuntu
[04:13] <K_Dallas> removing?
[04:13] <StarMkeSE> IFR It's not the ethernet that is the problem...it's the communication from ethernet ext
[04:13] <universal> K_Dallas, deleting
[04:13] <K_Dallas> ok, you do it when you boot from your XP CD
[04:14] <IFR> StarMkeSE, OKay. opening a terminal window and typing cat /var/log/dmesg shows you tons and tons of crap; you search the output for messages specific to the ethernet by | grep eth, which will return only the lines which mention "eth"
[04:14] <universal> K_Dallas, ahh ok
[04:14] <universal> yes
[04:14] <ivoks> grrrrrrrr
[04:14] <teroedni> bash:  /dev/hdd: permisiion denied
[04:14] <universal> K_Dallas, and  then use some of the hdd for windoes
[04:14] <universal> windoes
[04:14] <IFR> StarMkeSE If there's nothing there, try doing the same with /var/log/messages - often there will be something within those two files which says....uh, SOMTHING about what might be the problem.
[04:14] <universal> windows
[04:14] <universal> ;)
[04:14] <IFR> Logfiles are your friend!
[04:15] <K_Dallas> when you delete the partitions on your HD, you will be left with a blank HD, then you have an option to create a new partition
[04:15] <StarMkeSE> IFR I'll rebbot my computer and I'll be back in jiffy!
[04:15] <K_Dallas> it asks you for the size, give whatever you want to but not all of it
[04:15] <onno> When I want to install a firefox plugin, firefox won't let me before I update to 1.0.4 but how do I update to 1.0.4
[04:15] <universal> K_Dallas, exactly, thx
[04:15] <universal> K_Dallas, u have a messenger acc?
[04:16] <K_Dallas> my pleasure
[04:16] <K_Dallas> i hate messengers, sorry :)
[04:16] <universal> K_Dallas, ok ;)
[04:16] <alejandro_ricove> QUICK ANSWER QUESTION : which is the command for deleting a dir in terminal ??
[04:16] <onno> alejandro_ricove,  the same rm
[04:16] <sbcl3> i need to reinstally ubuntu
[04:16] <K_Dallas> alejandro_ricove, rmdir
[04:16] <onno> alejandro_ricove, but you need to add -R
[04:16] <alejandro_ricove> thx :):)
[04:16] <sbcl3> does anyone know exactly what the "base system installation" comes with?
[04:16] <onno> rm -R dir/
[04:17] <K_Dallas> rm -R deletes non empty dir too
[04:17] <sbcl3> is it just the linux kernel?
[04:17] <onno> whatch out you don't delete your root by doing rm -R /
[04:17] <onno> everything will be gone
[04:17] <K_Dallas> lol
[04:17] <mjr> sbcl3, kernel and base utilities for a text-only system
[04:17] <K_Dallas> it is always better and sdafer to do rm -iR
[04:17] <onno> sometimes you need to do rm -Rf dir/
[04:17] <sbcl3> mjr: would X server installation be easy then?
[04:17] <sbcl3> (and gnome installation)
[04:17] <mjr> sbcl3, with apt-get, yes
[04:18] <onno> K_Dallas, for what stands the i?
[04:18] <K_Dallas> interactively
[04:18] <mjr> sbcl3, why?
[04:18] <Bramme> Thunderbird prob:  while starting i get the error "Changes in the set of globally installed extensions detected. You must start thunderbird one more time in order to finalize those changes" clicking 'OK' brings me the same error over and over, restarting thunderbird is not the solution either
[04:18] <sbcl3> mjr: it might be alot quicker
[04:19] <sbcl3> but I think the regular install is better
[04:19] <onno> K_Dallas, but then you need to say a thousand times yes
[04:19] <superted> what's up with ubuntu.com?
[04:19] <Cal[] John> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code".  Anyone know what the issue is?
[04:19] <onno> Now, how do I update firefox to 1.0.4
[04:19] <alejandro_ricove> i think -R parameter doesnt exists but there it exists this one
[04:19] <K_Dallas> if there are 1e3 files in there ;)
[04:19] <alejandro_ricove>  --ignore-fail-on-non-empty
[04:19] <sbcl3> another question: i can't get internet access when my computer first starts up, therefore, ubuntu spends about two minutes looking for ntp.ubuntulinux.org to set the clock
[04:19] <sbcl3> can i disable this?
[04:19] <alejandro_ricove> it is the same that -R ?
[04:19] <onno> alejandro_ricove, -R means recursive
[04:20] <HappyFool> sbcl3: try 'sudo chmod a-x /etc/init.d/ntpdate'
[04:20] <HappyFool> assuming you don't want ntp at all
[04:21] <alejandro_ricove> all right i have done it ... thanks :D:D:D
[04:21] <Gabriel> Is there a way to obtain the linux-restricted package for 2.6.11-1 on ppc ?
[04:21] <jeff_co> hello everyone. I just installed firefox 1.0.4. now i want to delete 1.0.2 from synaptic. when i choose "mark for removal" for the "mozilla-firefox" package, it recommends deleting 3 additional stuff: ubuntu-desktop, yelp, and mozilla-firefox-gnome-support. what should i do?
[04:21] <onno> Now, how do I update firefox to 1.0.4
[04:21] <sbcl3> happyfool: thanks
[04:22] <spiral> hmmm, was the official kernel recently updated in hoary ?
[04:22] <HappyFool> jeff_co: i'd just leave it
[04:22] <HappyFool> jeffco: removing yelp is probably not a good idea -- it's the gnome help system
[04:22] <sbcl3> does anyone know why ubuntu...and easy to install user-friendly linux, is......by default, brown?
[04:22] <jeff_co> 
[04:22] <jeff_co> 
[04:23] <HappyFool> sbcl3: at a guess, earthy tones, vaguely african themed
[04:23] <sbcl3> its likely that 90% of the users head over to gnome-look.org or some other theme site though
[04:24] <IIIEars> Install Ubuntu, Configure ALL peripherals, rebuild the kernel, Build drivers from source add security apps - Bastille, Firewall,  Antivirus, All that was easy compared to beating "Tuxracer" - rofl
[04:25] <HappyFool> sbcl3: *shrug*
[04:25] <IIIEars> lol
[04:25] <sbcl3> who need security apps with linux ;)?
[04:25] <jeff_co> HappyFool, what if i just delete mozilla-firefox? I'm the kinda guy who wants the most harddirive space. don't want any unneeded stuff on my HD.
[04:26] <sbcl3> (at least antispyware/antivirus)
[04:26] <HappyFool> jeff_co: how big is your hard drive?
[04:26] <jeff_co> 40G, HappyFool
[04:26] <HappyFool> heh
[04:26] <sbcl3> that's pretty big
[04:26] <HappyFool> firefox is in the region of 10MB
[04:26] <jeff_co> according to linux, 32G is left.
[04:26] <IIIEars> Windows paranoia takes time to wear off - had to talk myself out of installing LIDS and Tripwire. - grin
[04:26] <jeff_co> okay, if you really think it's good to leave it, HappyFool
[04:27] <alejandro_ricove> how do i kill a process by terminal ?
[04:27] <HappyFool> 10 / 40 000 is 1/4000 so... 0.025% of your hard-drive
[04:27] <sbcl3> jeff: if you browse the internet you shouldn't delete it
[04:27] <sbcl3> its the best browser out there
[04:27] <Kejk_PL> kill -9 PID
[04:27] <Kejk_PL> killall program_name
[04:27] <Kejk_PL> or use top
[04:27] <jeff_co> sbcl3, i browse the net with firefox, but i just downloaded and installed 1.0.4. that's why i want to delete 1.0.2
[04:27] <HappyFool> sbcl3: he's done a custom 1.0.4 install
[04:27] <sbcl3> ah
[04:28] <sbcl3> wait...1.0.4 is out ?
[04:28] <jeff_co> HappyFool, according to synpatincs, firefox takes up 24 megs.
[04:28] <alejandro_ricove> all right thanks :)
[04:28] <IIIEars> yes
[04:28] <jeff_co> sbcl3, yes, i downloaded it from their website.
[04:28] <snorf> can anyone help me with a WinE problem?
[04:28] <sbcl3> ubuntu really needs to get that to date with synaptic
[04:28] <HappyFool> jeff_co: ok, 24 / 4000 is 0.05% ;)
[04:28] <jeff_co> ok, HappyFool. i'll leave it......... at least for now :)
[04:29] <HappyFool> sbcl3: it won't be upgraded. security fixes will be backported
[04:30] <wizard_31> anyone find a hardware config app?
[04:30] <jeff_co> how do i install my Visor PDA(Palm OS) onto UBuntu?
[04:30] <sbcl3> last night i typed "update-rc.d -f gdm remove"...anyway to get this back?
[04:31] <jeff_co> and my digital camera (canon )?
[04:31] <snorf> does anyone know why whenever i use winE theres no font, everything just shows up as boxes?
[04:31] <superted> i need a livecd iso, can i get it from somewhere else than ubuntu.com ?
[04:31] <capi> superted, you could go to the other ditrobution servers
[04:31] <sbcl3> probably not, superted
[04:32] <superted> capi: which are?
[04:32] <jeff_co> anyone, please help: how do i install my Visor PDA(Palm OS) onto UBuntu?
[04:32] <queuetue> Can anyone recommend a networked first-person shooter that's FUN?  (cedega or native, either works for me.)
[04:32] <superted> capi: ubuntu.com is down
[04:32] <sbcl3> capi: you could try linuxiso.org
[04:32] <capi> one, second.
[04:32] <superted> sbcl3: i have
[04:32] <superted> capi: cheers
[04:32] <IIIEars> queuetue - Unreal Tournament
[04:33] <Funraiser> the ubuntu website is down or it's my connection?
[04:33] <Kejk_PL> queuetue, Enemy Territory, doom, unreal, quacke
[04:33] <IIIEars> Americas Army
[04:33] <jeff_co> anybody here using PDAs?
[04:34] <capi> no, seems it's down
[04:34] <Funraiser> are u talking about the list of games playable on linux?
[04:34] <IIIEars> linux ports w/o
[04:34] <IIIEars> WINE
[04:34] <wizard_31> they are down
[04:34] <Kejk_PL> jeff_co, try find it on google, I doubd, that someone have PDA here
[04:35] <Funraiser> the list of games playable with cedega http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Category:Games
[04:35] <Funraiser> linux that is
[04:37] <runedude> hi guys. got a question.. well, whenever i run something like in the program menu, take synaptic for example, it requires a pass, i put in my root pass, and it says wrong pass.. whats up w/ that?
[04:38] <HappyFool> runedude: enter your user password
[04:38] <Jormundgand> Is a repo down?
[04:38] <Kejk_PL> runedude, you user password
[04:38] <HappyFool> it's using gnome-sudo
[04:38] <capi> whats a good IRC server?
[04:38] <runedude> ah
[04:38] <runedude> capi, theres lots :P
[04:39] <capi> sorry, I ment whats a good firewall. Don't know why IRC server came out
[04:39] <runedude> oh rofl
[04:39] <dcraven> runedude: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:39] <runedude> dcraven, ok
[04:39] <HappyFool> i think the ubuntu site is down...
[04:39] <capi> it tis.
[04:39] <Funraiser> it is
[04:39] <runedude> capi, firestarter
[04:39] <runedude> apt-get install firestarter  - capi <
[04:40] <capi> You forgot sudo. ;)
[04:40] <runedude> yea you can add that:P
[04:40] <IIIEars> capi - "Firestarter" is easy to install as you gain experience with netfilter and iptables you can change it's start script to suit your needs or if you need to access your macine remotely shorewall+webmin.
[04:40] <runedude> hmmm, if sites down.. crap, what do I do?
[04:41] <Nalioth> runedude, google cache?
[04:41] <capi> google cache pages, web-archive?
[04:41] <IIIEars> don't worry it has a GUI - no need to edit -any- scripts
[04:41] <capi> wait, firestarter has a GUI? that may not go over to well in my CLI only interface....
[04:41] <Funraiser> runedude, what are u looking for?
[04:42] <hybrid_goth> the forums are up
[04:42] <capi> the forums are seperate from ubuntu
[04:42] <hybrid_goth> ah
[04:42] <Isnom> how do i update my ubutnu using apt-get?
[04:42] <wizard_31> simpler to use synaptic
[04:43] <karljp> anyone know how to move a user's home dir "the right way"?  I want www-data to have home on /home/www not /var/www
[04:43] <wizard_31> or apt-get --help
[04:43] <Isnom> tnx
[04:43] <karljp> though I suppose it doesn't really matter, if I just change apaches docroot any just move the data
[04:43] <Nalioth> wizard_31, simple is a matter of practice
[04:43] <topyli> karljp: that should do it
[04:43] <IFR> The BEST reference for apt-get: http://www.debianuniverse.com/readonline/chapter/05
[04:43] <wizard_31> true
[04:45] <wizard_31> i just find a good gui is nice for all
[04:45] <hybrid_goth> Isnom: sudo apt-get update to update your sources sudo apt-get upgrade to upgrade packaages and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade to a newer version
[04:45] <Isnom> tnx hybrid
[04:45] <hybrid_goth> yea
[04:46] <wizard_31> newer version?
[04:46] <Jormundgand> What decides whether a window avoids going behind a panel or not?
[04:46] <wizard_31> 5.04 newest? no
[04:47] <hybrid_goth> wizard_31: no breezy is *newest* but he just asked how to upgrade via apt
[04:47] <wizard_31> breezy?
[04:47] <George__> Hi
[04:48] <wizard_31> still beta?
[04:48] <hybrid_goth> wizard_31: 5.10 yes it is unstable testibg w/e
[04:48] <hybrid_goth> **texting
[04:48] <hybrid_goth> damn
[04:48] <George__> bleading edge
[04:48] <karljp> bleeding :)
[04:48] <hybrid_goth> testing
[04:49] <dcraven> Jormundgand: Probably metacity.
[04:49] <George__> bleading edge
[04:49] <wizard_31> ahh
[04:49] <wizard_31> had enuff of the beta myself
[04:49] <hybrid_goth> wizard_31: i am goin to update to it soon
[04:49] <hybrid_goth> heh
[04:50] <wizard_31> any big changes?
[04:50] <hybrid_goth> g++
[04:50] <Nalioth> wizard_31, very beta. as in "works today, broke tomorrow"
[04:50] <wizard_31> lol.... i know
[04:50] <stromax> hi there
[04:50] <hybrid_goth> is the biggest it also has gcc 4 etc
[04:50] <ivoks> don't use breezy
[04:50] <ivoks> it will get ugly soon :)
[04:50] <George__> when breezy out ?
[04:50] <George__> 6 month later?
[04:50] <stromax> where do i make ubuntu NOT save the hardware clock in GMT?
[04:50] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: refering to g++?
[04:50] <ivoks> hybrid_goth yes
[04:50] <hybrid_goth> hey tritium
[04:51] <karljp> blah, nautilus just says, "conflict while copying, do you want to replace it?"  it doesn't show me the filesizes and lastmod dates of the files in question :(
[04:51] <tritium> hi hybrid_goth
[04:51] <ivoks> tritium yo :)
[04:51] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: yea i have heard of that i am going to wait till that is all strate
[04:51] <tritium> ivoks, hey there :)
[04:51] <ivoks> hybrid_goth you can help :)
[04:51] <wizard_31> i hope the dist-upgrades go smoother than other distros
[04:51] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: help what?
[04:51] <George__> it does wizard.. i fin
[04:51] <ivoks> hybrid_goth with transition to g++4.0
[04:51] <wizard_31> cool
[04:52] <ivoks> or not :)
[04:52] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: heh if you will i will
[04:52] <hybrid_goth> rofl
[04:52] <ivoks> haha
[04:54] <ivoks> hybrid_goth i am helping allready
[04:54] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: really?
[04:54] <Jormundgand> Hmm.
[04:54] <ivoks> sure
[04:54] <ivoks> that's what community is all about
[04:55] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: i share that but i had it but accidently deleted the partition so i had to install hoary
[04:55] <ivoks> :)
[04:55] <ivoks> excuses...
[04:55] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: i am going to get my gmail workin with postfix then ill upgrade
[04:56] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: blah it was funny
[04:56] <hybrid_goth> you know how ppl say be carefull as root?
[04:56] <ivoks> sure i do
[04:57] <hybrid_goth> i never believed that untill i was setting up a partition and saw an extra one deleted and it was actully my partition
[04:59] <ivoks> first time on linux?
[04:59] <andrewski> is it possible to get windows media codecs in ubuntu?
[04:59] <Nalioth> i have made enough root mistakes, that i appreciate ubuntus use of "sudo"
[04:59] <ivoks> tritium would you be so kind...
[05:00] <tritium> ivoks, ?
[05:00] <Quest-Master> rofl http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=265674&sid=fc7df897971e388c2141438f7800440c
 tritium and check it? :)
[05:00] <ivoks> tritium never mind... herve will do it...
[05:01] <tritium> ivoks, ah, okay
[05:01] <capi> whats a good CLI-only firewall for ubuntu.
[05:01] <tritium> ivoks, where is herve hiding out?
[05:01] <ivoks> capi one and only - iptables
[05:01] <ivoks> tritium don't know... he was here in the morning
[05:02] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: not quite first full time on linux
[05:02] <twobitsprite> andrewski, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[05:02] <tritium> ivoks, oh, well how do you know he'll check it for you?  ;)
[05:02] <zenlunatic> I'm adding repositories as instructed by ubuntuguide.org and when I do this command 'gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907' I get "gpg: can't open `1F41B907'". Any ideas why it can't open it?
[05:03] <ivoks> tritium he said so... but if you are free, and have nothing to do... :)
[05:03] <black_Nightmare> hey :p
[05:03] <zenlunatic> capi, I heard of firestarter but it wasn't in my repositories at the time. Trying to update them now so I can install it.
[05:04] <tritium> ivoks, I haven't set up my breezy pbuilder chroot, etc. yet.  I'm waiting until after my defense, so I don't get to distracted
[05:04] <tritium> s/to/too
[05:04] <ivoks> defense?
[05:04] <tritium> ivoks,yes, on July 22
[05:04] <black_Nightmare> any of you had any experience with philips mointors?
[05:04] <ivoks> and you are defending...?
[05:05] <tritium> ivoks, my PhD thesis...
[05:05] <ivoks> ah
[05:05] <ivoks> good luck!
[05:05] <hybrid_goth> yea good luck man
[05:05] <tritium> thanks, hybrid_goth :)
[05:05] <ivoks> http://www.oursours.net/
[05:05] <ivoks> lol... guess who's site is this :)
[05:06] <Guybrush|Numb> anybody can tell where to set the preferred app to lauch on Video DVD insertion on hoary ? I want to use VLC instead of totem
[05:06] <tritium> ivoks, so I'm sort of on MOTU-sabattical until then
[05:06] <black_Nightmare> nevermind
[05:06] <ivoks> tritium i understand ;)
[05:06] <tritium> ok, sorry.
[05:06] <ivoks> np
[05:07] <tritium> Well, I'm just checking in for the morning.  Take care, all.
[05:07] <andrewski> you too tritium
[05:07] <tritium> thanks, andrewski :)
[05:08] <ivoks> bye
[05:08] <glauc> what up bitchessss?
[05:08] <Jormundgand> I'm looking for an applet like the Window List which shows 48x48 icons but not the window title (although it shows that in a tooltip). Does this exist, or do I need to write it myself?
[05:09] <karljp> oh, for changing a users home direcoty, usermod -d newdir user
[05:09] <Funraiser> Guybrush|Numb, did u try http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#changedefaultfiletypeprogram
[05:09] <dcraven> Jormundgand: If you know how to write your own, then I'd just modify the existing one. THat might be a relatively small change.
[05:09] <Guybrush|Numb> yup, but i cannot do that on something that is not a file
[05:10] <Guybrush|Numb> Funraiser: yup, but i cannot do that on something that is not a file
[05:10] <Jormundgand> dcraven: location of source for that?
[05:10] <Guybrush|Numb> i need to change the app that is started when i plug a dvd in the reader
[05:10] <dcraven> Jormundgand: My apt is busy, but it's gnome-applets or something like that.
[05:11] <Jormundgand> dcraven: I mean in the filesystem, where do I find the source?
[05:11] <andrewski> Jormundgand: you'd have to install the -dev package.
[05:12] <andrewski> Jormundgand: or the source from the website.
[05:12] <dcraven> Jormundgand: You probably don't have the source unless you explicitly downloaded it. THis is a binary distro.
[05:12] <hybrid_goth> bye tritium
[05:12] <capi> Okay, now it's time to re-install, anyone know a good fun way to crash UNIX, or some fun stuff to do that might teach me something[While Crashing Ubuntu] 
[05:12] <dcraven> Jormundgand: apt-get source <packagename>
[05:13] <dcraven> Jormundgand: Or get the tarball or CVS from gnome.org.
[05:13] <Funraiser> capi, u can try to copy paste files from your windows partition see if it works
[05:14] <Nalioth> capi, why not just do the install routine?
[05:14] <capi> I can, but as long as I'm installing I might as well enjoy tearing apart the system so i enjoy it. It's not often you can mangle your own computer without cursing. :P
[05:14] <hybrid_goth> capi: compile some weird stuff
[05:14] <hybrid_goth> mess with parted
[05:15] <Funraiser> download porn
[05:15] <Funraiser> errr...maybe u do that already
[05:15] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: heh
[05:15] <capi>  hybrid_goth, whats parted?
[05:15] <jinxi> how do I install a bittorent client on Ubuntu?
[05:15] <Nalioth> guys, i don't know of a way (that i'll say in this channel) to "educationally destroy" a *nix system
[05:15] <hybrid_goth> capi: it is a partitioner
[05:15] <Funraiser> jinxi, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#azureus
[05:15] <hybrid_goth> jinxi: sudo apt-get install bittornado-gui
[05:15] <Nalioth> Funraiser, where do you get all those links?
[05:16] <Funraiser> he he
[05:16] <ol4l> I have an ATI 9250 graphics card in my P3-733 and gnome is insainly slow.. could the ATI card be an issue for the speed? i get ~1100 in glxgears.. any ideas?
[05:16] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: the ubuntuguide has nice urls
[05:16] <Funraiser> Nalioth, www.ubuntuguide.org always the same
[05:16] <dcraven> capi: I always thought it was fun to open up all of the programs you think you'll need for the next while, and systematically delete one directory an hour while still using your machine.. Start with /var, then /etc/ , then /usr/bin etc...
[05:16] <hybrid_goth> heheheh
[05:17] <dcraven> capi: See how long your machine can keep running, and laugh at all the funny errors and things it does.
[05:17] <Funraiser> www.ubuntuguide.org should be a required reading for Ubuntu users
[05:17] <sproingie> educationally destroy, eh?
[05:17] <dcraven> Funraiser: It is. But nobody reads it anyways.
[05:17] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: there is alot there
[05:18] <sproingie> how about replacing glibc and libstdc++ with a new version and not upgrade anything else
[05:18] <sproingie> that'll give you hours and hours of weird obscure errors
[05:18] <Funraiser> dcraven, really? is there a link to ubuntuguide.org from the Ubuntu website?
[05:18] <hybrid_goth> delere some X depenedcies
[05:18] <sproingie> make sure it's several minor versions, not just patchlevels
[05:18] <capi> wel... `sudo rm -rf *' was idly amusing...
[05:18] <dcraven> Funraiser: Would that link make it required? ;)
[05:19] <knapjack> sproingie, what are you going on about?
[05:19] <sproingie> knapjack: how to "educationally destroy" a unix system
[05:19] <Funraiser> dcraven, it would make it official at least
[05:19] <dcraven> capi: But keep using the machine now! At least IRC.
[05:19] <bdmp> Can someone give me some direction? I set up my wireless it seemed to go well but I can't get it to detect the network.  Honestly I don't know what I am doing.  Help me please
[05:19] <hybrid_goth> delete some X depenedcies
[05:20] <knapjack> sproingie: You mean make a unix system unsuitable for an educational institution, or how to make it unsuitable for studying operating systems?
[05:20] <capi> wrong machine. My Ubuntu computer is next to me. This one is a good computer... It's always nice to have at least one computer working
[05:20] <dcraven> I like uninstalling gnome from inside gnome and stuff.. Does kooky things.
[05:20] <Nalioth> knapjack, he wants to "learn by destruction"
[05:20] <sproingie> knapjack: knapjack well he did ask how to destroy.  you learn all kinds of fun stuff when you mess with core libs
[05:20] <knapjack> Ah, heheh
[05:21] <knapjack> bdmp: Did you double-check your essid?
[05:21] <dcraven> capi: You are in windows? I thought I smelled something.
[05:21] <Funraiser> lol
[05:21] <bdmp> how do i do that?
[05:21] <wizard_31> roflmao
[05:21] <capi> yeah
[05:22] <bdmp> knapjack:how do I do that?
[05:22] <knapjack> Should be System -> Administration -> Networking
[05:22] <sproingie> if you want to teach people, you could just set LD_PRELOAD and/or LD_LIBRARY_PATH to some deliberately broken libs
[05:22] <sproingie> see how long it takes to figure that out
[05:22] <knapjack> bdmp: Then get the properties of the interface you want.  Also make sure it's the default gateway at the bottom of that panel.
[05:22] <hybrid_goth> why does linux have so many libaries?
[05:22] <dcraven> hybrid_goth: hehe
[05:22] <knapjack> hybrid_goth: Because you want it to be Windows
[05:23] <knapjack> hybrid_goth: If you wanted it to be VMS it would be clean.
[05:23] <sproingie> or move 'ls' and 'which' to new directories in the path and don't reload bash, let 'em figure out that bash caches names
[05:23] <dcraven> I don't understand either that question or the given answer.
[05:23] <Timbo> search a windows machine for *.dll
[05:23] <bdmp> knapjack: where is that path? from the menu with the foot?
[05:23] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, why does any OS have so many libs?
[05:23] <knapjack> bdmp: Yep, up at the top, you should have Applications, Places, System
[05:24] <knapjack> bdmp: Oh, wait, are you on Warty or Hoary?
[05:24] <capi> now this is ammusing, shutdown no longer exists and I disabled CTRL-ALT-DEL...
[05:24] <bdmp> ahh
[05:24] <twizlar> lol
[05:24] <bdmp> knapjack: wireless card is not listed
[05:24] <jeffco> hello.
[05:25] <knapjack> bdmp: Do you know what model your wireless card is?
[05:25] <jeffco> hello, all. i can't listen to mp3's i've downloaded. what do i do?
[05:25] <wizard_31> linux only has nessesary libraries ...rite?
[05:25] <bdmp> hoary
[05:25] <bdmp> yeah
[05:25] <bdmp> broadcom
[05:25] <ivoks> wizard_31 only if you don't remove that obsolete
[05:25] <Nalioth> guys, that ubuntuguide is prejudiced
[05:25] <knapjack> jeffco: there's a page on the wiki that talks about IP-encumbered formats like MP3.
[05:26] <capi> I don't like ubuntuguide myself.
[05:26] <knapjack> jeffco: It'll walk you through installing the correct libraries for the media player(s).
[05:26] <Funraiser> jeffco, do u have xine?
[05:26] <jeffco> knapjack, where's the wiki?
[05:26] <jeffco> how do i know if i have xine, Funraiser ?
[05:26] <Nalioth> i run a PPC, and lots of stuff on the guide dosnt talk about that
[05:26] <knapjack> jeffco: On the main page of ubuntu's web site
[05:26] <bdmp> knapjack:Gemtek (Broadcom) wireless lan driver/MSI Ralink Driver
[05:26] <Funraiser> jeffco, well follow Knapjack actually
[05:26] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: i hear you
[05:27] <knapjack> bdmp: Are you comfortable with the command line?
[05:27] <bdmp> yes and no
[05:27] <bdmp> yes
[05:27] <bdmp> lets do this
[05:27] <dcraven> Nalioth: The guide makes you add the marrilat repos too, and I don't like that.
[05:27] <bdmp> i just don't know how to go about it
[05:27] <knapjack> hehe, no problem.  Let's try this.  Open up a terminal and type the stuff between these quotes: 'dmesg | grep -i broadcom'
[05:27] <hybrid_goth> every linux user should be able to use the command line unless they use mandravia or lycoris/lindows/w/e
[05:28] <capi> I love lycoris' background
[05:28] <ivoks> omg
[05:28] <knapjack> hybrid_goth: Ubuntu is very grandma-friendly.
[05:28] <hybrid_goth> o_0
[05:28] <Nalioth> dcraven, the marillat has no binaries at all for ppc
[05:28] <Isnom> hi guys... what p2p manger other than emule would u guys recomend me?
[05:28] <knapjack> Nalioth: You could always grab the source and rebuild
[05:28] <bdmp> knapjack: it returned
[05:28] <rindolf> Hi all!
[05:28] <ivoks> i'm done for now...
[05:28] <Funraiser> knapjack are u helping jeffco on his mp3 thing or i'll show him how to install xine?
[05:28] <jamesio> ok, simple question: I've set up 2 ext3 partitions and have them set in fstab (and mounted using mount -a), but the owner is root and I'm unable to modify them without sudo'ing first... any hints?
[05:29] <anto9us> I disagree hybrid, I'm going to be installing ubuntu at work, the last thing I want is my users playing with the command line
[05:29] <dcraven> Nalioth: Oh. Well they also cause dependancy issues for x86.
[05:29] <hybrid_goth> knapjack: yes but if you d/l a .deb you still have to sudo dpkg i
[05:29] <ivoks> anto9us why?
[05:29] <ivoks> anto9us what can they break?
[05:29] <knapjack> hybrid_goth: true
[05:29] <Nalioth> dcraven, well, i did not know that
[05:29] <rindolf> I wrote a new essay about BitKeeper? Can anyone review it: http://xrl.us/f4be http://www.shlomifish.org/__Bk-essay-f567j/bk/what-bitmover-got-wrong.html ?
[05:29] <rindolf> TIA.
[05:29] <knapjack> Funraiser: I was just going to point him at the wiki and turn him loose, unless he hits some stumbling block
[05:29] <Nalioth> dcraven, any idea where to find some nice "deb-src" repos?
[05:29] <anto9us> ivoks: work protocols
[05:29] <capi> I'm going to see how long I can play Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, maybe I'll make it off of earth withough getting frustrated. :)
[05:29] <ivoks> anto9us maybe you should learn them that console is good, not bad
[05:30] <knapjack> bdmp: So it came back empty?
[05:30] <Funraiser> knapjack, k
[05:30] <bdmp> yeah
[05:30] <dcraven> Nalioth: Yeah, if anyone ever comes in here and is having trouble installing mplayer, just tell them to remove merillat.
[05:30] <Nalioth> anto9us, the  terminal is your friend, it will be with you after X takes a powder
[05:30] <jeffco> Funraiser, what's xine?
[05:30] <ivoks> :)
[05:30] <hybrid_goth> anto9us: the terminal dribes linus
[05:30] <Isnom> hi guys... what p2p manger other than emule would u guys recomend me?
[05:30] <knapjack> bdmp: OK, so it looks like it didn't load the module for your wireless interface at startup.
[05:30] <bdmp> knapjack: i wet through the faq of installing the drivers and it went fine
[05:30] <Nalioth> dcraven, i found another 'deb-src' repo and installed mplayer from src
[05:30] <bdmp> ok
[05:30] <jeffco> knapjack, can't find the info on the wiki area. where is it?
[05:30] <Funraiser> jeffco, xine is a media player that reads everything
[05:30] <dcraven> Nalioth: I just use the regular old deb-src repos. multi/uni, main, and restricted.
[05:31] <anto9us> I know this, the terminal is my job though, they should stick to their job and I'll stick to mine
[05:31] <knapjack> jeffco: Just a sec, let me dig it up for you.
[05:31] <bdmp> knapjack:roger
[05:31] <Funraiser> jeffco, try to follow those instructions http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#xine-ui
[05:31] <Nalioth> dcraven, i had to get some different src-repos for transcode
[05:31] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: this is the fastest upgrade  i have had to date
[05:31] <knapjack> bdmp: Cool, if you've done that, then you should be able to figure out what the name of the driver is.  You should be able to just 'modprobe drivername' and it'll show up in the network settings tool.
[05:32] <ivoks> hybrid_goth ?
[05:32] <bdmp> iknow it
[05:32] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: to breezy
[05:32] <ivoks> don't use breezy
[05:32] <dcraven> Nalioth: I came to Ubuntu specifically because I wouldn't need to compile anything unless I had to apply a patch :)
[05:32] <hybrid_goth> i had it already and nothing was wrong
[05:32] <bdmp> hold on
[05:33] <Nalioth> dcraven, well, i'm on PPC, and if I want something useful, lots of times, i have to compile it myself
[05:33] <knapjack> jeffco: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:33] <kernelek> hello!
[05:33] <hybrid_goth> hi
[05:33] <dcraven> Nalioth: So I've heard :)
[05:33] <kernelek> here fresh ubuntu installation :)
[05:33] <Funraiser> jeffco, if u have a problem following those instructions let me know
[05:33] <Nalioth> dont use breezy, until they start releasing "release candidates"
[05:33] <ivoks> hybrid_goth i said... it will get ugly
[05:33] <hybrid_goth> kernelek: congrats
[05:33] <kernelek> thx :)
[05:33] <ivoks> hybrid_goth big changes are in queue
[05:33] <kernelek> i'm old slackware user so..
[05:34] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: ok
[05:34] <ivoks> hybrid_goth lot's of stuff will breal
[05:34] <knapjack> jeffco: Looks like if you add the universe repository and use Synaptic to get gstreamer0.8-mad you should be good to go.
[05:34] <hybrid_goth> i know
[05:34] <ivoks> hybrid_goth lot's of stuff will break
[05:34] <ivoks> seriously break :)
[05:34] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: fun i need something _constructive_ to do
[05:34] <kernelek> but i've one question; where is the apt-get config file
[05:34] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: i did the same with hoary
[05:34] <kernelek> it wont dl packages :|
[05:34] <dcraven> I periodically upgrade to a breezy snapshot when it looks safe, then switch my sources back to hoary.. I'm running Hoary+
[05:34] <knapjack> kernelek: /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:35] <knapjack> kernelek: Plus there's a file in that same folder for other apt options.
[05:35] <kernelek> i saw 6 urls there and uncomment it
[05:35] <kernelek> thats all?
[05:35] <hybrid_goth> yea
[05:35] <sascha__> hi, finally every piece of hardware and software works properly.
[05:35] <hybrid_goth> do a apt-get update
[05:35] <hybrid_goth> sascha__: lol
[05:35] <bdmp> knapjack: is it the .inf or the .sys
[05:35] <knapjack> bdmp: It should be a .o, I think.
[05:35] <ivoks> hybrid_goth hoary didn't have this big changes
[05:36] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: ok
[05:36] <sascha__> anybody has expirience with dansguardian?
[05:36] <knapjack> sascha__: Yep
[05:36] <bdmp> knapjack: a .o file?
[05:36] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: they need ppc testers anyway
[05:36] <knapjack> bdmp: I think all the kernel modules are .o files.
[05:36] <ivoks> hybrid_goth hahahaha
[05:36] <hayden> whats an easy to setup ftp server?
[05:36] <ivoks> hybrid_goth that platform is sure to crash :)
[05:36] <sascha__> knapjack, somehow I cant amke it work. its a standalone box with a few young kids
[05:36] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: okay i have dealt with windows i can deal with this
[05:37] <dcraven> knapjack: .ko
[05:37] <bdmp> knapjack: the windows driver i installed was a .inf file. how do i find out what the kernal modual is?
[05:37] <ivoks> hybrid_goth ok
[05:37] <Funraiser> hayden, server or client?
[05:37] <knapjack> sascha__: What is and isn't happening when you test?
[05:37] <hayden> server
[05:37] <Funraiser> k
[05:37] <hybrid_goth> apache?
[05:37] <knapjack> bdmp: Where did you find the installation instructions?
[05:37] <sascha__> knapjack, erm...if I put the browser on squid/proxy I cant do anything anymore
[05:37] <ivoks> bye
[05:38] <hybrid_goth> g'bye
[05:38] <kernelek> hmm.. it wants to install pkgs from the cd
[05:38] <Nalioth> hayden, sshd
[05:38] <Funraiser> apache is a http server
[05:38] <sascha__> knapjack, every single website is blocked by squid
[05:38] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: o ok
[05:38] <knapjack> sascha__: Ah, OK, when I set up dansguardian, I had to point at the dansguardian port (8080, I think), and dansguardian actually redirects its own requests to squid if it passes the filter tests.
[05:38] <jinxi> after a default Ubuntu instllation, can I watch divx movie allready?
[05:39] <hayden> Nalioth, ftp server called sshd?
[05:39] <knapjack> jinxi: Nope
[05:39] <dcraven> hayden: I hear proftpd is okay, but I haven't used ftp since the 80's.
[05:39] <knapjack> jinxi: But check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:39] <Eclipse> I LIVE IN PARAGUAY... SOUTH AMERICA... HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO GET HERE THE CDS
[05:39] <Funraiser> jinxi, no but it's very easy to set up
[05:39] <jinxi> knapjack, what do I install to watch divx?
[05:39] <sascha__> knapjack, do you have a network or a standallone?
[05:39] <bdmp> knapjack: I was walked through this and when I was it was for my i386 machine not a amd64. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowtoUseNdiswrapperOnAmd64Ubuntu
[05:39] <hybrid_goth> jinxi: try mplayer
[05:39] <dcraven> Eclipse: lose the caps please.
[05:39] <knapjack> sascha__: Network, so I do it all at the firewall, but the setup should be the same.
[05:40] <Eclipse> so.. how long do you guys think??
[05:40] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: heh
[05:40] <dcraven> Eclipse: 4 days.
[05:40] <knapjack> Eclipse: Hard to tell, but if I were going to gamble I would say a week.  Probably less.
[05:40] <jeffco> Funraiser, i  did sudo apt-get install xine-ui. now what?
[05:40] <Funraiser> Eclipse, all the time
[05:40] <dcraven> Eclipse: 4 days.
[05:40] <Eclipse> no way??!! really?!! is it that fast??
[05:40] <DunkMaster> need a little help
[05:40] <Funraiser> jeffco, did u install the multimedia codecs?
[05:41] <sascha__> knapjack, hmm, maybe i must just try harder
[05:41] <DunkMaster> can i remoce a dir called grub
[05:41] <DunkMaster> ?
[05:41] <jeffco> no.
[05:41] <knapjack> Eclipse: Depends on where you live in Paraguay...  :)
[05:41] <dcraven> Eclipse: Well, I'm in NA and ordered mine about 2 months ago. I'm still waiting.
[05:41] <knapjack> sascha__: ?
[05:41] <DunkMaster> /boot/grub
[05:41] <jeffco> Funraiser,  which codecs do i get?
[05:41] <IamJacksUsername> Any tips on ejecting a DVD that won't come out  after right clicking on it on the desktop and selecting eject? Opening Xine-ui and pressing eject doesn't do anything and playing the DVD and then clicking eject also does nothing. The eject button in the cd player doesn't do anything either.
[05:41] <Funraiser> jeffco, follow http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#xine-ui (there are 7 steps)
[05:42] <DunkMaster> because when i boot it gives me only GRUB and no disk activity
[05:42] <Funraiser> jeffco, do step 3
[05:42] <IamJacksUsername> Pressing the actuall button on the hardware CD/DVD drive doesn't do anything either.
[05:42] <sascha__> knapjack, network/firewall/proxy. All this stuff is a bit new to me. I hoped to find a very easygoing solution for the problem
[05:42] <bdmp> stick a pin in the hole
[05:42] <IamJacksUsername> bdmp: that won't make the system unstable?
[05:42] <knapjack> sascha__: It's tough to get it figured out the first time, but you'll pick it up fast.  It's not too bad.
[05:43] <Eclipse> hold on... have you tryed to unmount the device as root
[05:43] <bdmp> i don't know sorry
[05:43] <knapjack> sascha__: Let me guess, you work in a school?
[05:43] <Funraiser> IamJacksUsername, right click eject on the icon
[05:43] <Eclipse> no sticking pins down any hole
[05:43] <bdmp> sorry
[05:43] <Funraiser> IamJacksUsername, nevermind
[05:43] <Flav> are you supposed to stick pins up the hole?
[05:43] <bdmp> knapjack: did you catch that last part about the faq?
[05:43] <Funraiser> yes
[05:43] <knapjack> bdmp: Let me read that a sec (and help sascha__)
[05:43] <Funraiser> sometimes
[05:44] <knapjack> Pins?  That sounds painful...
[05:44] <sascha__> knapjack, not really, but my own kids are old enough to enter cyberworld
[05:44] <George__> hey, is totem good movie player?
[05:45] <Eclipse> hahahahaha... very painful speccially if you're a cd rom!!!... hahahaha
[05:45] <^thehatsrule^> totem-xine is pretty well known
[05:45] <George__> i installed codecs and restarted but totem dont want to play WMV. Should i get xine?
[05:45] <karim> is it possible to do a debootrstrap as a user ?
[05:45] <knapjack> George__: It is, but you need some other libraries if you want to play MP4, DivX, etc.
[05:45] <George__> i got them all
[05:45] <George__> ubuntuguide.org followed
[05:45] <IamJacksUsername> Eclipse: "umount: /cdrom: not mounted"
[05:45] <DunkMaster> Thehatsrule, can i delete /boot/grub dir from ubuntu to stub loading ubuntu with grub?
[05:45] <George__> and it dun wanna work
[05:46] <knapjack> George__: Also check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:46] <Flav> anyone maintain a blog on Ubuntu?  What do you use?  blosxom? tdiary? wordpress? scoop? something else?
[05:46] <George__> i know wmv is restricted
[05:46] <knapjack> sascha__: Gotcha
[05:46] <Eclipse> but is a dvd rom
[05:46] <IamJacksUsername> This happened before, and the CD player eject button then worked.
[05:46] <dcraven> Flav: Wordpress is great.
[05:46] <knapjack> sascha__: For the firewall, there's a package in Universe that can help, called firestarter.
[05:46] <Nalioth> who to write about the x86-centric ubuntuguide?
[05:46] <Eclipse> try umount /media/*
[05:47] <knapjack> bdmp: OK, so if you 'lsmod' do you see ndiswrapper listed?
[05:47] <IamJacksUsername> media has cdrom and cdrom0
[05:47] <Eclipse> * stands for the divice.. i don't know how it is with dvds
[05:47] <sascha__> knapjack, ok..installing
[05:47] <Eclipse> try both
[05:47] <sascha__> knapjack, I even got webmin up and running
[05:47] <dcraven> IamJacksUsername: They both point to the same place.
[05:47] <knapjack> sascha__: Ah, that'll help, too.
[05:48] <George__> removed totem gonna try xine-ui
[05:48] <Eclipse> and then eject it manually.. press the button
[05:48] <knapjack> sascha__: Oh, so what port does webmin run on?
[05:48] <IamJacksUsername> Eclipse: , dcraven: "umount: /media/cdrom0: not mounted" for both
[05:48] <sascha__> knapjack 10000
[05:48] <Funraiser> George, u won't regret it
[05:48] <knapjack> George__: That's a good player, too.
[05:48] <knapjack> sascha__: Just checking.
[05:48] <George__> hey, anyone kno how to remove limewire?
[05:48] <George__> i cant remove
[05:48] <DunkMaster> ok, i deleted it
[05:48] <George__> Funraiser: i know i won't i hate totem :D
[05:48] <DunkMaster> lets see what will happen
[05:48] <knapjack> sascha__: Did that work, pointing the browser's proxy at the dansguardian port?
[05:48] <Funraiser> George__, why do u want to remove it,
[05:49] <bdmp> knapjack: would it just say ndiswrapper?  I didn't see it.
[05:49] <George__> funraiser: it doesn't boot up
[05:49] <Eclipse> try to logout
[05:49] <George__> i did
[05:49] <knapjack> bdmp: I think so.  I've never used it, but from the URL you listed it looks like it should.
[05:49] <sascha__> knapjack, this is ther problem..I dont know what you are saying right now
[05:49] <knapjack> bdmp: You can also try to 'dmesg | grep ndis'
[05:49] <Eclipse> usually when you log out the process started as user is killed
[05:49] <ol4l> is there any tool to find out if for example my graphics card make my computer slow (i highly suspicious my ATI card)
[05:49] <Funraiser> George__, how did u install it,
[05:49] <IamJacksUsername> Eclipse: that kills the net connection?
[05:50] <knapjack> sascha__: Sorry, answering three questions at once.
[05:50] <George__> ubuntuguide
[05:50] <Eclipse> true.. my bad..
[05:50] <bdmp> knapjack: nothing on that
[05:50] <Funraiser> George__, try to launch it in a terminal to see what is says
[05:50] <IamJacksUsername> Eclipse: dial-up, charged per connection - so I'd rather pry it open (cheap bastard that I am)
[05:51] <knapjack> bdmp: Try sudo modprobe ndiswrapper again.
[05:51] <CarlK> what is the command to set my clock to a time server?
[05:51] <Funraiser> it*
[05:51] <George__> i can't dunno how 2
[05:51] <knapjack> CarlK: sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate start
[05:51] <George__> what i type to launch in terminal
[05:51] <bdmp> knapjack: got a return
[05:51] <dcraven> IamJacksUsername: Where are you from? I've never heard of such an internet plan.
[05:51] <knapjack> UK, I bet
[05:52] <Eclipse> IamJacksUsername: in terminal... su
[05:52] <Eclipse> IamJacksUsername: root password
[05:52] <CarlK> knapjack -  * Synchronizing clock to ntp.ubuntulinux.org...                         [fail] 
[05:52] <IamJacksUsername> South Africa, telco monopoly, crap service, typical third world deal.
[05:52] <knapjack> bdmp OK, so now redo sudo ndiswrapper -m
[05:52] <DunkMaster> how can i get rid of GRUB?
[05:52] <Funraiser> limewire
[05:52] <CarlK> .ubuntulinux.org seems to be off the air
[05:52] <HappyFool> IamJacksUsername: R8 call for the weekend eh? :)
[05:52] <knapjack> CarlK: OK, try just sudo ntpdate ntp.cpsc.ucalgary.ca
[05:52] <George__> still cant watch wmv
[05:53] <IamJacksUsername> HappyFool:  Yipper.
[05:53] <bdmp> knapjack: modprobe config already contains alias directive
[05:53] <Juhaz> can someone confirm that "wnck" module in python2.4-gnome2-extras is broken?
[05:53] <knapjack> George__: You want your WMV?
[05:53] <Funraiser> George__, with xine?
[05:53] <Eclipse> IamJacksUsername: mount the divice... then umont it again
[05:53] <CarlK> knapjack - much better -thanks
[05:53] <George__> i install the multimedia codec
[05:53] <George__> installed xine
[05:53] <IamJacksUsername> Eclipse: ah!
[05:53] <George__> I trying to watch WMV
[05:53] <Funraiser> wmv works here on xine
[05:53] <knapjack> CarlK: You can Google for open NTP servers, and then change your default in /etc/ntp.conf I think.  Something like that.
[05:53] <George__> k i guess i doing something wrong
[05:54] <George__> just wmv
[05:54] <foxiness> can i know the speed or reed/write/rewrite of my cdrom drive ?
[05:54] <foxiness> or - of
[05:54] <CarlK> knapjack - thanks
[05:54] <Jormundgand> s/reed/read
[05:54] <kern> hey its me again
[05:55] <Funraiser> hey
[05:55] <Nalioth> George__, you are doing nothing wrong
[05:55] <knapjack> CarlK: No problem!
[05:55] <George__> y not go?
[05:55] <Nalioth> George__, microsoft hates us linux users, and some wmv absolutely will not play
[05:55] <kern> i've one broken pkg on the cd (xpdf-reader) and every time i try to reinstal it, it want me to use the cd
[05:55] <kern> i already run apt-get update but didn't help
[05:55] <Nalioth> kern, adjust your sources.list
[05:56] <Eclipse> ubuntu is debian besed??
[05:56] <kern> Nalioth i did it already :|
[05:56] <Nalioth> Eclipse, yes, isnt it wonderful?
[05:56] <Nalioth> kern, if you commented out any link to your x-rom, then it shouldnt be asking
[05:57] <Funraiser> by the way the name longhorn is because of GNU ? ( a gnu is also an animal that has horns... )
[05:57] <IamJacksUsername> Eclipse: I mounted it, then ran "eject cdrom" which did the trick! Thanks.
[05:57] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: haha
[05:58] <Funraiser> longhorn against GNU/linux ,u know, makes sense
[05:59] <Eclipse> IamJacksUsername: is the first time i help somebody with linux... it's a great experience... do it some time and i'll be tahked enough
[05:59] <kern> dpkg: error processing /cdrom//pool/main/x/xpdf/xpdf-reader_3.00-11ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[05:59] <kern>   still same crap :|
[05:59] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: yes and back me up here. remember win me? so awesome so great! but we got to cut some features to release on time... then it sucked! sounds like longhorn now
[05:59] <kern> sry for pasting here
[05:59] <Eclipse> thanked enough
[05:59] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: longhorn = service pack 3
[05:59] <Eclipse> sorry.. my spelling is terrible
[06:00] <Nalioth> kern, that is a problem with the file itself (that was d/l)
[06:00] <kern> hmm.. any suggestions than?
[06:00] <Funraiser> hybrid_goth, yeah smallhorn should be the name
[06:00] <kern> i can't install anything without it
[06:00] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: nohorn kinda like Billy
[06:00] <Funraiser> lol
[06:00] <Eclipse> bye bye
[06:00] <frogger^> last time someone asked me: "what is better, ubuntu or linux?" :)
[06:01] <Jormundgand> Funraiser: Of course you know why it's called Microsoft.
[06:01] <hybrid_goth> frogger^: lol
[06:01] <hybrid_goth> yup
[06:01] <deejaykay> what VNC software do most people recommend?  I used to use tight VNC in windows and I noticed that it is available for Linux.  Is tight VNC easy to configure in Ubuntu or should I use a different program?
[06:01] <hybrid_goth> frogger^: i my fav is "where can i get some gnu warez"
[06:01] <Funraiser> Jormundgand, i don't? (i think i'm gonna laugh on this one)
[06:01] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: heh
[06:01] <frogger^> hybrid_goth :))
[06:02] <Jormundgand> Funraiser: It's what Bill's wife said on their wedding night. "Now I know why you called your company Microsoft."
[06:02] <Funraiser> lol
[06:02] <kern> Nalioth, i guess i can dl that file from the web but how to install it than manually (and or from the hdd)?
[06:02] <bdmp> knapjack: you around? any more guesses
[06:02] <bdmp> ?
[06:02] <Jormundgand> The sad thing is that he has passed his genome to another generation. That worries me more than anything labelled "trusted computing".
[06:03] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: go to http://bbspot.com and scroll towards the bottom and click MS buys evil from satan; it is under classic and it is classic
[06:03] <knapjack> bdmp: Yep, still around, helping sascha__.  Just a minute...
[06:03] <bdmp> no prob
[06:03] <Nalioth> kern, once you get the .deb, you can use "sudo dpkg -i <pkgname>"
[06:03] <hybrid_goth> Jormundgand: did you here the grim reaper is liscencing the BSOD
[06:03] <HappyFool> kern: 'dpkg -i <package-file>'
[06:03] <hybrid_goth> kern: make sure you do it twice
[06:04] <hybrid_goth> :P
[06:04] <hybrid_goth> j/p
[06:04] <kern> :) thx guys
[06:04] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[06:04] <hybrid_goth> hi
[06:04] <FX|Laptop> Hey just wondering if anyone has tried PearPc?
[06:04] <kern> twice?
[06:04] <hybrid_goth> kern: no
[06:04] <George__> guys could u
[06:04] <Funraiser> Jormundgand, she did not file for divorce though, i wonder what's keeping her...
[06:04] <FX|Laptop> I installed through apt, but can't seem to find it
[06:04] <George__> still wont' go
[06:04] <Jormundgand> Funraiser: Vendor-specific lock-in. ;)
[06:04] <hybrid_goth> kern: it was a joke b/c you were told twice
[06:05] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: Jormundgand heh
[06:05] <ol4l> im not sure who was asking about ntpdate, but the file to change ntpservers were /etc/default/ntpdate changing that do another mirror worked for me
[06:05] <George__> How do i get this to work? any ideas?
[06:05] <George__> the codec things
[06:05] <HappyFool> FX|Laptop: try dpkg -l PearPc (or maybe dpkg -l pearpc) in a terminal
[06:05] <kern> hehe. k hybrid_goth
[06:05] <poningru> question about firefox
[06:05] <HappyFool> FX|Laptop: or use Synaptic to get a list of files belonging to the package
[06:05] <hybrid_goth> poningru: go ahead
[06:06] <poningru> have the devs agreed to update the UA string in the firefox
[06:06] <poningru> that comes with ubuntu?
[06:06] <karim> hi
[06:06] <andrewski> is it possible to add non-standard repositories and only use them for packages that aren't provided by ubuntu's?
[06:06] <FX|Laptop> Thanks and I found it now with the first command. Seems as though it really didn't install right though.
[06:06] <FX|Laptop> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[06:06] <FX|Laptop> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[06:07] <jinxi> ers may be able to follow these instructions, but some packages may not work (in particulr the ones from hoary-extras won't work).
[06:07] <jinxi> Disclaimer
[06:07] <jinxi> ops
[06:07] <FX|Laptop> thanks peeps. I'll download the cvs and go from there.
[06:07] <kern> worky!
[06:07] <poningru> anyone know?
[06:07] <HappyFool> FX|Laptop: oh, hang on
[06:07] <HappyFool> FX|Laptop: try dpkg -L pearpc
[06:08] <poningru> where do the devs hang out?
[06:08] <Nalioth> FX|Laptop, sure you didnt want CHerryOS? its supposed to come out ootb, ready to go! <EG>
[06:08] <Funraiser> well, i've got germans to kill (no worries i'm just playing brothers in arms) see u all!
[06:08] <HappyFool> FX|Laptop: sorry, -l is just to list the package
[06:08] <HappyFool> -L is for contents
[06:08] <FX|Laptop> HappyFool, Yea I found more there. Thanks
[06:08] <FX|Laptop> cherryos?
[06:08] <FX|Laptop> Never heard of that.
[06:08] <hybrid_goth> FX|Laptop: it stole from PEARPC then died
[06:09] <Nalioth> FX|Laptop, its a joke. CherryOS stole the code from pearpc and were selling it
[06:09] <FX|Laptop> ah ok. lol
[06:09] <Nalioth> FX|Laptop, it was supposed to be the greatest PPC emu around
[06:09] <hybrid_goth> yea
[06:09] <Nalioth> FX|Laptop, written in 3 short weeks!
[06:09] <hybrid_goth> lol
[06:09] <Nalioth> FX|Laptop, to emulate a G5!
[06:09] <Nalioth> ysssir
[06:10] <ruede> hallo
[06:10] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: the never release a final tho man i was lookin forward to it
[06:10] <hybrid_goth> :P
[06:10] <hybrid_goth> **they
[06:10] <ol4l> is there any file to give options to a module when it loads? my 3com network card doesnt seems to be loaded as a 100mbit card
[06:10] <knapjack> bdmp: This is a lot like the instructions you sent, but it would be worthwhile to walk through them again: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[06:10] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, yes, i was waiting for the .tgz to have me an p/u number at the apple store for my hardware PPC emulater  :P
[06:11] <hybrid_goth> hahahaha
[06:11] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: do you run MOL?
[06:11] <knapjack> bdmp: Especially that entry, try 'ndiswrapper -l' and if that fails, your installation is hosed somewhere, and you'll want to go through the installation again.
[06:11] <karim> when I reinstall a new system, can I keep everything in /var/lib ?
[06:11] <knapjack> (ndiswrapper, not ubuntu)
[06:12] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, no i do not
[06:12] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: ah ok
[06:12] <bdmp> knapjack:ok
[06:12] <knapjack> karim: What do you mean everything?
[06:12] <karim> knapjack, the whole folder
[06:12] <knapjack> karim: Keep the existing stuff, or put everything in there?
[06:12] <bdmp> can I apt-get wine?
[06:12] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, was really wanting one of those litte 6"x6" emulators at the apple store
[06:12] <George__> how i watch DVDS?
[06:12] <karim> knapjack, I have things like cvs I will of course keep, but there is things I don't know
[06:12] <knapjack> bdmp: Maybe with Universe or Multiverse repositories added.
[06:12] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: havent heard of those
[06:13] <bdmp> got em
[06:13] <George__> what do i need to watch dvd
[06:13] <FX|Laptop> I'd like a mini myself. I just wish it had a better vid card
[06:13] <HappyFool> George__: i use xine for dvd's
[06:13] <bdmp> i'll be back in a while
[06:13] <knapjack> karim: Usually when you do a new install it will clobber a lot of libraries in /var/lib
[06:13] <George__> happyfool how
[06:13] <Nalioth> George__, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[06:13] <kernelek> alright - fluxbox is on :)
[06:13] <kernelek> thx again
[06:13] <bdmp> knapjack: wish me luck
[06:13] <George__> i have xine
[06:13] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, come on! the Mac Mini! 6x6x4
[06:13] <HappyFool> George__: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats, or see Nalioth's link
[06:13] <knapjack> karim: It would be better to keep/move your CVS stuff to /usr or /usr/local somewhere, or just keep it in your home folder.
[06:13] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: ah hahaha
[06:14] <George__> y i just need to know how rto sart
[06:14] <kernelek> are there more sources i can add into the sources.list?
[06:14] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: Mac Mini with tiger and ubuntu
[06:14] <karim> knapjack, someone told me it should be in /srv
[06:14] <knapjack> karim: I have a whole src/ hierarchy in my home folder, and /home on a separate partition just so I can do clean system installs and not lose all that stuff.
[06:14] <HappyFool> George__: well, xine is found under Applications -> Sound and video
[06:14] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: never did like os x but i wanna try tiger
[06:14] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, Mac Mini under my taxicab drivers seat full of music
[06:14] <HappyFool> George__: but you'll probably need special libraries for DVD watching -- go to the URL's we pasted
[06:14] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: nice.
[06:15] <George__> u mean codec?
[06:15] <knapjack> karim: It really depends on what you're working on.  If you have applications you've compiled and installed, some of them might break when you upgrade due to new libraries.
[06:15] <Nalioth> George__, yes codecs
[06:15] <George__> i got codec
[06:15] <knapjack> hybrid_goth: I'm on OSX now, but full-screen gnome session to my desktop.
[06:15] <knapjack> hybrid_goth: My wife's iBook is nice hardware.
[06:15] <hybrid_goth> knapjack: you like os x?
[06:15] <Nalioth> knapjack, you are ssh'd to your other hardware?
[06:15] <HappyFool> well, i was thinking decss stuff. just try xine and see if it works
[06:15] <knapjack> hybrid_goth: Yep
[06:16] <knapjack> Nalioth: Yep
[06:16] <hybrid_goth> knapjack: i am on a g3 ibook
[06:16] <HappyFool> if not, you'll obviously need to install more ;)
[06:16] <hybrid_goth> knapjack: it was not enuff unix for me
[06:16] <Nalioth> knapjack, that is really coincidental, i'm on a ubuntu/ppc ssh'd into a osx/ppc
[06:16] <knapjack> hybrid_goth: Yeah, you really have to dig a bit.  Ubuntu run well on your iBook?
[06:16] <hybrid_goth> lol
[06:16] <Nalioth> knapjack, runs well on my iBook, also
[06:16] <knapjack> Nice
[06:17] <hybrid_goth> knapjack: awesome and with a lil work the mutlimedia is as good as a mac
[06:17] <knapjack> Some guys at work have it running on some *old* iMacs and it runs pretty well.
[06:17] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: osx/ppc? thats like windows/x86
[06:17] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, his linux isnt on his mac
[06:17] <FX|Laptop> I'm not aure I really like the way pearpc is setup during the apt install of it. I really don't know what the heck to do. lol
[06:17] <knapjack> My first experience with Linux was on PPC, and I'd love to go back someday.
[06:17] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, knapjack is ssh'd to his linux box
[06:17] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: i know but os x is only ppc
[06:17] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: cool
[06:18] <hybrid_goth> god bless ssh
[06:18] <FX|Laptop> I've ran it before, but it was a while ago. I forgot how to do it. Plus I was on slack then and had it setup differently
[06:18] <hybrid_goth> my school has windoze computers but i ssh to there osx server
[06:18] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, if you are tru hardcore, you can get osx onto one of those old-ass motorola 9X cpus
[06:18] <knapjack> Nalioth: Yep, I have a ssh key with no passphrase, no WM on X on OSX, and I ssh -C -X somehost gnome-session and voila.
[06:18] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth:  would it be worth it tho
[06:18] <Nalioth> knapjack, *nix is great, isnt it?
[06:19] <knapjack> Nalioth: I do the same thing on a craptop from work.  It's a P75, I think, but nice screen, so a WiFi card and I have a great portable X client.
[06:19] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, do you drink penguin blood?
[06:19] <knapjack> Nalioth: It is.
[06:19] <Nalioth> knapjack, yes, there are uses for old windoze refuse
[06:19] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: he no i drink Redmond blood and suck the life from them
[06:20] <hybrid_goth> <insert sadistic lauf>
[06:20] <knapjack> heheh
[06:20] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, eewww
[06:20] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: lol
[06:21] <knapjack> Well, the wife is awake.  I think it's shower, breakfast, etc.  Catch you guys later.
[06:21] <hybrid_goth> knapjack: good bye
[06:21] <andrewski> anyone know anything about apt pinning?
[06:22] <Nalioth> andrewski, apt what?
[06:22] <andrewski> Nalioth: i guess that's a no.
[06:22] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, redmond blood is lethally toxic stuff
[06:22] <Nalioth> andrewski, i want to learn. what is it?
[06:22] <andrewski> Nalioth: something about using multiple repositories.  i don't really know either. :)
[06:22] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: not if taken with enuff ppc/unix
[06:23] <HappyFool> andrewski: there's a page on the wiki
[06:23] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: see IE percentage is below 90 now
[06:23] <andrewski> HappyFool: great, i'll check it out.  Nalioth, catch that?
[06:23] <HappyFool> andrewski: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto
[06:24] <HappyFool> to be honest it's not helluva obvious what's what, even after reading that page
[06:24] <ali4728> can I use Postfix to send email with dynamic IP, (no email receiving just sending)?
[06:25] <cyphase> ali4728, yes
are there lots of configurations?
[06:26] <appleseed> hi all. i had to symlink /usr/bin/python to point to python 2.3, for zope to work properly - but now when i try to run an app which uses pygtk, it can't import the gtk module
[06:26] <cyphase> ali4728, im not completely sure how to configure it, but from what i've read, its just about already configured
[06:26] <cyphase> im not sure though
[06:26] <appleseed> any ideas how i can fix that?
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[06:26] <Nalioth> andrewski, yes thx
[06:26] <andrewski> HappyFool: geez, gentoo was pretty awesome in this regard.
[06:26] <Parallaxx_> My firefox and internet with hoary is really slow how do I fix-it?
[06:27] <yonil> am i the only one who cant get firefox's "view source" to work since the last updates ?
[06:27] <HappyFool> appleseed: hmm. how about putting #!/usr/bin/env python2.4   at the top of your gtk python script ?
[06:28] <Nalioth> Parallaxx_, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#loadwebsitefasterfirefox
[06:28] <HappyFool> appleseed: did you install zope with apt-get ? I'm suprised you'd have to do something like that symlink
[06:28] <Nalioth> HappyFool, where is your secret cache of urls?
[06:29] <Parallaxx_> Nalioth: but with apt is the same problem
[06:29] <HappyFool> Nalioth: err... that's a secret! (not sure what you mean ;)
[06:29] <andrewski> appleseed: which app?
[06:30] <HappyFool> andrewski: well, read the page and see what you think. I'm relatively new to apt
[06:30] <Nalioth> Parallaxx_, thats a ff fix
[06:30] <hybrid_goth> why does OOo have too be so HUGE
[06:30] <andrewski> HappyFool: it seems possible to do what i want to, but unnecessarily tedious.
[06:30] <Nalioth> HappyFool, do you keep a directory of ubuntu urls open to paste in here?
[06:30] <andrewski> hybrid_goth: is it larger than MS office?
[06:31] <Nalioth> andrewski, hybrid_goth is ANYTHING bigger than M$ Bloatware Suite?
[06:31] <HappyFool> Nalioth: heh. no. i do consult this page often: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UserDocumentation
[06:31] <hybrid_goth> andrewski: idk but it is *HUGE* i have never had to download MS office either
[06:31] <appleseed> HappyFool, andrewski the app is hal-device-manage
[06:31] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: MS spyware/AV is prolly bigger
[06:31] <appleseed> but also the repositories dialog in synaptic doesn't appear either
[06:31] <andrewski> hybrid_goth: well, it's not and it's still a full-featured program so i wouldn't really complain. :P
[06:31] <hybrid_goth> ;)
[06:32] <andrewski> appleseed: so you linked python to python-2.3?
[06:32] <bdmp> knapjack: the lspci command say that my driver wireless card is "0000:00:09.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless  LAN Controller (rev 03)
[06:32] <bdmp> ". But a link from the faq where i checked which driver i should use says, "Card: Averatec 3200/6100 Series Laptop
[06:32] <bdmp> Chipset: RaLink? RT2500 .Note that not all Averatecs have the RT2500, some have the broadcom 54G, I think." The command says broadcom, so does that mean that I should use a broadcom driver? If so which one? all the comps listed on that page have broadcom drivers. How do I know which one to use?
[06:32] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, but thats not an installable program
[06:32] <appleseed> i installed zope from sources
[06:32] <HappyFool> appleseed: forcing the python version to 2.3 is probably not a super-great idea ;)
[06:32] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, that is a growing problem (like cancer)
[06:32] <HappyFool> ah-ha
[06:32] <appleseed> andrewski, yeah because some zope stuff was looking for /usr/bin/python directly
[06:32] <HappyFool> try installing it from apt instead
[06:32] <andrewski> appleseed: why did you link and why did you install from source?
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> ha
[06:32] <appleseed> andrewski, had to install it from source because my boss told me to :)
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: i meant their Antivirus and Spyware beta searcher w/e
[06:33] <HappyFool> appleseed: does zope install using a setup.py ?
[06:33] <andrewski> appleseed: like HappyFool said, it's not really a good idea to break python just to install zope from source.  why not use the ubuntu package?
[06:33] <appleseed> HappyFool,  i think it's ./configure
[06:33] <Enfer_Singe> hey guys, is it possible to burn iso's as bootable disks while using the ubuntu live cd?
[06:33] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, M$ Antivirus and Spyware? hmmm come here Mr. Fox, and Mr. COyote, I want you to guard my henhouse
[06:33] <appleseed> andrewski, yeah i guess. but i was told to use sources, so did that
[06:33] <HappyFool> appleseed: hrm. well, check (via configure --help) if you can specify the python interpreter
[06:34] <appleseed> HappyFool, will do
[06:34] <andrewski> appleseed: why?
[06:34] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: heh
[06:34] <appleseed> andrewski, not sure. when i started work they said install zope,postgres,psycopg etc from sources
[06:34] <zyga> appleseed: the build a package from source and install that
[06:34] <HappyFool> ex-gentoo user asks why to install from source... ;-)
[06:35] <andrewski> HappyFool: talking about me?
[06:35] <HappyFool> who, me? :P
[06:35] <appleseed> andrewski, HappyFool i've un-broken python now :) i'll play with the zope stuff
[06:36] <appleseed> while i'm here, can anyone recommend a good pda for up to 200?
[06:36] <andrewski> appleseed: does zope need a particular python version?
[06:36] <appleseed> andrewski, 2.3
[06:36] <andrewski> appleseed: 2.4 won't work?
[06:36] <HappyFool> actually, on my hoary, i don't even have python2.3
[06:36] <Enfer_Singe> can you burn bootable iso's in ubuntu live?
[06:37] <appleseed> andrewski, well, not zope directly, but at work we use psycopg as a database adapter between zope and postgres, and psycopg DOES require 2.3
[06:37] <andrewski> HappyFool: me either. :)
[06:37] <bdmp> Can someone help me out? I am resetting up my wireless card.  the lspci command say that my driver wireless card is "0000:00:09.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless  LAN Controller (rev 03)". But a link from the faq where i checked which driver i should use says, "Card: Averatec 3200/6100 Series LaptopChipset: RaLink? RT2500 .Note that not all Averatecs have the RT2500, some have the broadcom 54G, I think." The command s
[06:37] <bdmp> ays broadcom, so does that mean that I should use a broadcom driver? If so which one? all the comps listed on that page have broadcom drivers. How do I know which one to use?
[06:37] <FX|Laptop> /bin/sh: yacc: command not found
[06:37] <FX|Laptop> hmmm
[06:37] <Nalioth> Enfer_Singe, if you have an open cd-burner
[06:38] <Enfer_Singe> Nalioth, I do, what progam do I use to burn it, I am not seeing anything
[06:38] <HappyFool> FX|Laptop: try installing bison
[06:38] <FX|Laptop> k
[06:38] <HappyFool> i *think* bison provides an executable named yacc
[06:38] <Nalioth> guys, how do you burn cds from nautilus or the command for cdrecord to burn an iso image?
[06:39] <Nalioth> Enfer_Singe, sorry i know the capabilitys, but not the actual usage
[06:39] <andrewski> appleseed: that's unfortunate; anything that works in 2.3 should work in 2.4 AFAIK unless you're using deprecated functions.
[06:39] <BigJG> Who here uses antivirus? and if so, what do you use?
[06:39] <Nalioth> Enfer_Singe, you may try from the terminal "man cdrecord" and see if it enlightens you
[06:39] <Enfer_Singe> Nalioth, alright, I will keep exploring
[06:39] <HappyFool> if you right-click on an iso in nautilus, there should be a burn option
[06:39] <Enfer_Singe> alright, thanks
[06:39] <appleseed> andrewski, not sure what psycopg is doing tbh, i'm not a very good developer yet ;)
[06:39] <HappyFool> andrewski: maybe it's a C-level api thing?
[06:39] <Nalioth> BigJG, clamAV works pretty good (to protect my windoze using friendz)
[06:39] <andrewski> appleseed: me either. :P
[06:39] <BigJG> Nalioth: Thanks much!
[06:40] <andrewski> HappyFool: 'C-level'?
[06:40] <appleseed> andrewski, hehe
[06:40] <HappyFool> yeah, you know, the python C-api
[06:40] <appleseed> andrewski, i went there for a job in tech support, but because my main interest is software and mockups and stuff they offered me a developer job. i'm still trying to get to grips with it
[06:40] <HappyFool> or is psycopg pure python?
[06:40] <appleseed> HappyFool, c
[06:41] <FX|Laptop> getting alot of errors in the compile.
[06:42] <obelix> i founded one problem on ubuntu
[06:42] <obelix> i just mount it on macintosh
[06:42] <andrewski> obelix: one?  hey, that's pretty good.
[06:42] <obelix> i just mount it on macintosh
[06:42] <FX|Laptop> ok time to drywall. thanks for the help
[06:43] <obelix> but when i go on sh and i ask to do the login
[06:43] <Enfer_Singe> is nautilus included with the live cd...I don't see it and nothing seems to happen when I try to run it from the console
[06:43] <obelix> it say that can not be
[06:43] <HappyFool> doesn't the live cd go straight into gnome ?
[06:43] <Enfer_Singe> HappyFool, yea
[06:43] <obelix> because i am not a superuser
[06:43] <HappyFool> Enfer_Singe: are you running in a graphical environment ?
[06:43] <Enfer_Singe> HappyFool, yea
[06:44] <HappyFool> nautilus is the name of the file browser
[06:44] <andrewski> appleseed: it needs 2.3 because of the compiled C modules, just for the record.
[06:44] <Enfer_Singe> righhhhhht ;)
[06:44] <Enfer_Singe> my fault, was thinking it was something else
[06:45] <HappyFool> anyway, right click on an iso in nautilus, and see if you have a "burn" option (or something like that)
[06:45] <Grungy> could anyone help me out getting the ATI drivers installed?
[06:45] <jeffco> hello everyone. I'm a 1-day old Ubuntu user.
[06:45] <Enfer_Singe> HappyFool, there is a write to disk option, when I click it, I dont see anything about burning as an image though
[06:45] <jeffco> Ii have a question about skype.
[06:45] <Nalioth> jeffco, welcome to the next level
[06:45] <jeffco> anybody using skype?
[06:45] <jeffco> thanks Nalioth !
[06:45] <obelix> i got 2 access 1 as superuser
[06:45] <HappyFool> Enfer_Singe: just a sec, let me see what mine looks like
[06:45] <Nalioth> Enfer_Singe, perhaps the terminal and "man cdrecord"?
[06:45] <jeffco> Goodbye windows, hello Linux!
[06:46] <obelix> the second as user
[06:46] <obelix> i got 2 access 1 as superuser
[06:46] <andrewski> jeffco: welcome. :D
[06:46] <BigJG> rock on jeffco
[06:46] <obelix> i got 2 access 1 as superuser
[06:46] <Grungy> hey jeffco, same here.  Finally decided to stop duelbooting and go strait unbuntu
[06:46] <Choubaka> jeffco: I am using Skype .P
[06:46] <obelix> i got 2 access 1 as superuser
[06:46] <BigJG> jeffco: what issue are you having with skype?
[06:46] <Nalioth> jeffco, you will learn much using linux
[06:46] <andrewski> obelix: would you please stop repeating yourself?
[06:46] <obelix> i gothe second as user
[06:46] <HappyFool> Enfer_Singe: i think write to disc is what you want...
[06:46] <jeffco> You see, there is a program called Hotrecorder.com, but it's only available for windows. Is there a program for linux that allows me to do the same thing as Hotrecorder, namely to be able to do voice mail with Skype?
[06:46] <HappyFool> what happens when you select it?
[06:47] <Enfer_Singe> HappyFool, alright
[06:47] <obelix> because all you digit afteri finish to spoke
[06:47] <HappyFool> i get a little box asking me about write options etc
[06:47] <BigJG> is this for VoIP?
[06:47] <HappyFool> i have used it successfully before ;)
[06:47] <jeffco> BigJG, yes hotrecorder is a program that works alongside skype.
[06:48] <Enfer_Singe> Nalioth, I will just burn it as HappyFool said, but I dont see anything about burning images when in the man pages
[06:48] <andrewski> appleseed: http://initd.org/projects/psycopg2 ... uses 2.4
[06:48] <appleseed> andrewski, cool thanks. i'll take a look
[06:48] <jeffco> but there is no linux version available. is there another linux equivalent to that? BigJG , Choubaka ?
[06:48] <obelix> the computer nod give me the possibility to do mount about any pheripherics
[06:48] <Nalioth> Enfer_Singe, cdrecord will burn your .iso image
[06:48] <obelix> to reboot
[06:48] <obelix> or to do the shutdown
[06:48] <HappyFool> yeah, cdrecord works but nautilus is waaay easier
[06:48] <Enfer_Singe> eh, if for some reason this doesnt work, I will use that
[06:48] <obelix> it say that i am not a super user
[06:48] <Choubaka> hotrecorder.. I don't know.
[06:49] <HappyFool> obelix: try 'sudo <command>'
[06:49] <Nalioth> jeffco, search http://sourceforge.net or http://freshmeat.net for apps of all kindz
[06:49] <Grungy> can someone please give me a hand getting the ATI drivers to work (9800xt in particular, if that helps)?  i checked out a few sites on the topic, but i'm rather new to unbuntu and they didnt help much
[06:49] <BigJG> jeffco: I am doing some searching right now, I don't know of anything off the top of my head
[06:49] <obelix> i just do it
[06:49] <HappyFool> when it asks for a password, enter your user password
[06:49] <ablyss> hey obelix.. that you?
[06:49] <cyphase> everyone go srm/ yourself
[06:49] <cyphase> ;)
[06:49] <cyphase> sudorm/
[06:49] <obelix> i digit my userid and password
[06:50] <obelix> and it say password incorrect
[06:50] <hybrid_goth> the infamous root question has been asked so many time we will need to count it in hex a dex 0x3333333333333333
[06:50] <BigJG> jeffco: I am assuming the implementation is SIP based? Or is it H.323
[06:50] <obelix> the first is userid is rms and password root
[06:51] <HappyFool> obelix: try 'sudo ls'   . It should ask for a password. Enter your password *only*, not your userid
[06:51] <obelix> the second is asterix and password root
[06:51] <HappyFool> does that work, or not?
[06:51] <antix> podcast software?
[06:51] <xfSx> hey how do i setup me ubuntu to auto dial-in to isp at bootup?
[06:51] <obelix> the second ok
[06:51] <HappyFool> oh, the second user can't sudo unless you add him to /etc/sudoers
[06:51] <obelix> but i am only one user
[06:51] <fsapo> hi all, anybody could help me with a video problem?
[06:52] <hybrid_goth> fsapo: ask...
[06:52] <HappyFool> you just said you had two users *confusion*
[06:52] <fsapo> my videos are looking strange in totem.. its like sharpening the borders
[06:52] <fsapo> in mplayer its smooth, but its crashing with ac3 sound -_-
[06:52] <obelix> the first is superuser
[06:52] <fsapo> is there some kind of anti-aliasing feature or option in totem-xine?
[06:53] <HappyFool> obelix: i don't understand, sorry
[06:53] <hybrid_goth> fsapo: so the video works in mplayer but not the sound?
[06:54] <HappyFool> obelix: i don't want to be rude, but have you asked in #ubuntu-it ? there might be fewer language problems
[06:54] <fsapo> hybrid_goth, it give me an error and doesnt work at all
[06:54] <antix> fsapo, I get the best results in xine. I followed instructions in www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:54] <fsapo> hybrid_goth, with mp3 audio it works fine
[06:54] <jeffco> thanks, BigJG. i don't know whether the implementation is SIP based orH.323? in fact, i don't know what those terms means.
[06:54] <Nalioth> wow new dvdripper on freshmeat
[06:55] <fsapo> antix, but my video is looking strange in xine, the subtitles border for example arent looking smooth
[06:55] <hybrid_goth> antix: whats the link
[06:55] <Nalioth> i am such a geek
[06:55] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: most of us in here are
[06:55] <hybrid_goth> **fest
[06:56] <Grungy> how can i get the kernel version of my install?  i'm following the guide on the forums to install the ati drivers, but I'm not sure what to replace the kernel version with
[06:56] <fsapo> i ll take a screenshot with both videos
[06:56] <antix> hybrid_goth, http://ubuntuguide.org/#xine-ui
[06:56] <hybrid_goth> ok
[06:56] <hybrid_goth> fsapo: get the link?
[06:57] <antix> fsapo, ok thought you said you were using totem
[06:57] <Anubis> where is the latest gaim for ubuntu?
[06:57] <fsapo> antix, i m using totem, but totem uses xine
[06:57] <antix> fsapo, ok :)
[06:57] <jeffco> BigJG, are you there?
[06:58] <BigJG> jeffco: Yea, I am still searching.
[06:58] <antix> Anubis, I'm using 1.1.4
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Grungy:  uname -r
[06:58] <Grungy> thanks
[06:59] <fsapo> antix, hybrid_goth, i m uploading the screenshots
[06:59] <Anubis> antix, they are at 1.30 now!?
[06:59] <appleseed> urgh, i'm trying to tell psycopg to use python2.3, but it's still using 2.4
[06:59] <hybrid_goth> anyone know of a server i can get ssh acces to for free?
[07:00] <antix> Anubis, oh really, hm and I'd like the latest firefox...
[07:01] <fsapo> antix, hybrid_goth, this one is with MPlayer, look how the subtitles are smooth http://img184.echo.cx/img184/5523/screenshot2mg.png
[07:01] <appleseed> i'll play with it later:) thanks for the help earlier folks
[07:01] <jeffco> nalioth, is there value to the much learning that one gets from using linux?
[07:01] <Anubis> antix, i swear I think the latest firefox is buggy
[07:02] <Nalioth> jeffco, yes there is
[07:02] <fsapo> antix, hybrid_goth, now this one is with xine http://img177.echo.cx/img177/428/screenshot11lz.png
[07:02] <Anubis> my ubuntu  only freezes when I used it
[07:02] <antix> Anubis, ok but I can't install plugins unless I upgrade I think
[07:02] <fsapo> look how the subtitles are crisp :(
[07:03] <misieq> how can i make set resolution higher than 640x480 while using kdm?
[07:03] <Nalioth> jeffco, you can learn to program in many different languages (w/o worrying about a $1500 package from M$)
[07:03] <kernelek> yes - thats me again :)
[07:03] <Anubis> unless there was a bad update that brole my ubuntu
[07:04] <fsapo> anyone knows why my xine video is creapy like that? :(
[07:04] <kernelek> is it a good idea (and does it work than) if i add http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/ to the sources.list?!
[07:04] <thoreauputic> misieq: your resolution has nothing to do with kdm: try running ` sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg `
[07:05] <hybrid_goth> jeffco: you can learn howto run a real os
[07:05] <NeoEcoS> hello i got problems with cdrecord -scanbus
[07:05] <NeoEcoS> anyone can helpme
[07:05] <NeoEcoS> ?
[07:05] <antix> fsapo, are the subtitles added from a text file?
[07:05] <fsapo> antix, no
[07:05] <Nalioth> NeoEcoS, are you root?
[07:05] <thoreauputic> kernelek: no, it won't work
[07:05] <fsapo> antix, the video itself is crisp
[07:05] <misieq> thoreauputic, but when i used gdm i could set 1280x960
[07:05] <BigJG> jeffco: I am still reading it but check out http://linuxathome.com/index.php?p=235
[07:05] <jeffco> Choubaka, have you heard of hotrecorder.com? it allows a windows user to do voice mail with skype for free. Skype has this feature available, too, but for a price!)
[07:05] <fsapo> antix, but you can see it better in the subtitles
[07:06] <Choubaka> jeffco: no. :/
[07:06] <rushibhai> hi. any news on amd64 and openoffice2 beta yet?
[07:06] <NeoEcoS> Nalioth offcourse
[07:06] <jamesio> hello again
[07:06] <kernelek> thoreauputic are the more server i can add than? on that servers i've now isn't even xmms inside
[07:06] <thoreauputic> misieq: as I said, it has nothing to do with gdm/kdm - it's an X issue
[07:06] <antix> fsapo, I like the crisp one better :)
[07:06] <NeoEcoS> Nalioth i'm under hoary 2.6.10-5-k7
[07:06] <jamesio> if you guys ever get the desire to buy a new case, I suggest the Antec Super Lanboy
[07:06] <thoreauputic> kernelek: you need to enable universe
[07:06] <jamesio> super light, pretty much silent, and it has the perfect compliment of ports/lights on front
[07:06] <fsapo> antix, =/ but i want it smoother :P
[07:06] <misieq> all right, i'll give it a try
[07:06] <John6000>  hello sorry for the stupid question but how do you delete files in ternimal del doesnt work
[07:07] <NeoEcoS> Nalioth i'm trying to burn an iso from a terminal using cdrecord
[07:07] <Choubaka> John6000: rm
[07:07] <kernelek> thoreauputic i did
[07:07] <John6000> thanks
[07:07] <kernelek> all 6 urls
[07:07] <antix> Anubis, anything special you found buggy in new firefox?
[07:07] <jeffco> i just installed firefox 1.0.4 and deleted 1.0.2. it seems that now, rightclicking links in Xchat does not open them up in firefox. What's the problem?
[07:07] <BigJG> linux may not see the updated Firefox as your default browser
[07:08] <thoreauputic> kernelek: well, xmms should not be a problem: did you reload/ update?
[07:08] <kernelek> ah.. forgot the 1th 2 server!
[07:08] <kernelek> :|
[07:08] <kernelek> k
[07:08] <Nalioth> NeoEcoS, great! the terminal is your friend
[07:08] <kernelek> did it
[07:08] <antix> jeffco, where did you get the new firefox? was it a deb?
[07:09] <xfSx> jeffco i got the same prob
[07:09] <xfSx> i installed 1.0.4 off the firefox website
[07:09] <xfSx> and put it in home
[07:09] <NeoEcoS> Nalioth i saw a master figthing with warty using symbolic links /dev/pg* to /dev/hdb to make cdrecord -scanbus working but i can't now
[07:10] <jeffco> antix, it was from firefox. it was a tar.gz file.
[07:10] <Choubaka> well, those packages don't inform debian at all that they're installed.
[07:10] <Choubaka> so debian can't configure them :/
[07:10] <jeffco> antix, i got it from firefox website, just like xfSx.
[07:10] <Anubis> Sarge is now frozen!   Wheeeeeee!!!
[07:10] <Nalioth> jeffco, see? you are learning already
[07:10] <Anubis> This is good for ubuntu right?
[07:11] <antix> ok
[07:11] <thoreauputic> xfSx: you'll need a link in your path then: try making a symlink in /usr/local/bin
[07:11] <BigJG> jeffco: I am about a week into ubuntu which is the first OS to ever replace my main windows, and I am loving it, the learning curve is high but the customization available is amazing!
[07:12] <jeffco> Choubaka, so what can i do to inform debian (xchat) that 1.0.2 is gone and 1.0.4 is the current browser? I mean: i can load up firefox 1.0.4 no problem. The problem is only that I can't have XChat open up links when I right click them.
[07:12] <IFRFLYR> Anyone played with VNC to provide remote assistance to MS windows users
[07:12] <IFRFLYR> ?
[07:12] <Choubaka> jeffco: that's not easy.
[07:12] <jeffco> Nalioth, yes.
[07:12] <jamesio> BigJG, that's me also... about 10+ days into it and I've totally replaced my desktop with ubuntu
[07:12] <Choubaka> that's why you should only use packaged programs. :/
[07:12] <xfSx> thoreauputic: symlinking what to what now?
[07:12] <thoreauputic> jeffco: see my answer to xfSx  above
[07:13] <BigJG> jamesio: My biggest problem is I am still stuck on dialup! lol
[07:13] <jamesio> I'm learning fast... just set up a 400 gig drive, copied over 50 gigs from my laptop and rsync'ed it to another 400 gig drive for safe keeping
[07:13] <antix> jeffco, do you have the option to check if it's the default browser at start-up?
[07:13] <jamesio> BigJG, sorry to hear that.  my cable connection gets about 560k/sec
[07:13] <thoreauputic> xfSx: make a symlink in your PATH pointing to firefox in your home directory
[07:13] <jeffco> Choubaka, so you mean system-->preferences-->preferred applications is not the problem?
[07:13] <Choubaka> jeffco: yeah.
[07:13] <jeffco> antix, no i don't think i got that message.
[07:13] <BigJG> yea I still have my windows partition, although it died on me, but I still have two NTFS partitions which are mounted that need to be changed to a writable format
[07:14] <xfSx> ok thanks thora
[07:14] <BigJG> so what is xfSx?
[07:14] <jeffco> thoreauputic, how do I make a symlink in /usr/local/bin?
[07:14] <BigJG> oh nm
[07:14] <Choubaka> though if you can set up a custom command, you might specify the absolute path for your new firefox.
[07:14] <BigJG> lol
[07:14] <Choubaka> jeffco: though, why do you wanr 1.0.4?
[07:14] <odiousone> jeffco: rm -rf /
[07:14] <Choubaka> NO
[07:14] <xfSx> hehe
[07:14] <thoreauputic> xfSx: like  sudo ln -s /home/username/firefox-installer/firefox  /usr/local/bin/firefox
[07:14] <Nalioth> odiousone, thats not nice at all
[07:14] <Choubaka> odiousone: that is _NOT_ a good joke
[07:14] <BigJG> omg odiou wtf
[07:14] <antix> jeffco, there is a button to make the check in the General tab under Preferences
[07:14] <enntee> Hello, I have a dual monitor setup, and I'm loving it except for one thing: My wallpapers are stretched out horizontally over both desktops, and they look ugly. Is there a tool in Gnome for letting each monitor have it's own desktop?
[07:15] <thoreauputic> xfSx: substitute apperopriately
[07:15] <BigJG> well he would still need to sudo it anyway :P
[07:15] <xfSx> thoara: thanks
[07:15] <Nalioth> jeffco, disregard odiousone 's instructions
[07:15] <xfSx> thora: where's my PATH defined? where do i edit it?
[07:15] <Choubaka> BigJG: it would have still removed his home dir :P
[07:15] <thoreauputic> odiousone: never do that again, please
[07:15] <odiousone> xfSx: .bash_profile
[07:15] <BigJG> Choubaka: i was just thinking about that
[07:15] <BigJG> Choubaka: good to know
[07:15] <odiousone> sorry i'm drunk
[07:15] <jeffco> Choubaka, for one reason, to be able toadd extensions from mozilla's webpage (https://addons.mozilla.org/ extensions/?application=firefox). Without the latest version, you can't.
[07:16] <xfSx> odiousone: can i make a system wide declaration for path?
[07:16] <thoreauputic> xfSx: type ` echo $PATH ` to see your path
[07:16] <antix> jeffco, what happens if you do [Check Now] . hm mine was not the default browser but now it is...
[07:16] <Choubaka> jeffco: hm :/
[07:16] <jeffco> odiousone, why are you advising me to do that?
[07:16] <Choubaka> you could try spoofing your version? :)
[07:16] <odiousone> jeffco: to do what?
[07:16] <BigJG> rm is equal to delete, -r specififes all directories
[07:16] <awe> Anyone know a ftp where the 5.04 x86 dvd is at?
[07:17] <BigJG> and / is the beginning of your FS
[07:17] <Choubaka> BigJG: though you can chmod o-x /home/
[07:17] <synd> is there a way to enable internet sharing from my wireless card to my ethernet NIC
[07:17] <Choubaka> BigJG: so that rm can't advance under /home/ :)
[07:17] <odiousone> synd: man route
[07:17] <Flav> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/dvd/current/hoary-dvd-i386.iso
[07:17] <scorpix> what's the path for the usb port for the printer ?
[07:17] <BigJG> Choubaka: ahhh, good idea
[07:17] <synd> odiousone: in term?
[07:18] <Juhaz> why are you folks even updating firefox, the security fixes have been backported and there's nothing else new in 1.0.4, right?
[07:18] <odiousone> synd: yes
[07:18] <Flav> awe: that work?
[07:18] <jeffco> odiousone, to delet my home directory? I'm rather sad at that.
[07:18] <jeffco> antix, there is no option that you mentioned in Firefox's General Tab in Preferences.
[07:18] <BigJG> jeffco: I think it would be easier to simply install firefox 1.0.3 through apt-get and not worry about it
[07:19] <odiousone> jeffco: dry your eyes emo kid it was a joke. it wouldn't have done anything unless you were root, in which case lol. in my defence i am rather drunk
[07:19] <awe> Flav: yess, thanks
[07:19] <BigJG> odiousone: Choubaka just confirmed that it would delete the home directory.... Go be drunk elsewhere, lol
[07:19] <jeffco> odiousone, okay. good to know that nothing would've happened. I thought that if i followed on, i'd be dead!
[07:20] <jeffco> antix, you there?
[07:20] <BigJG> were you able to check out that article yet jeffco
[07:20] <odiousone> BigJG: yeah what's in home? firefox preferences and pr0n?
[07:20] <thoreauputic> People, don't install firefox 1.0.4 - the ubuntu version has been patched and all you need to do is install the latest ubuntu version. The fact that it stays at a nominal 1.0.2 is irelevant
[07:20] <jeffco> BigJG, the article on skype?
[07:21] <antix> jeffco, ok they must've removed that button then. I have it in 1.02
[07:21] <jeffco> BigJG, i had a small browse.
[07:21] <BigJG> jeffco: yea well, making the voip recording using software available in linux
[07:21] <synd> eek i dunno how to interpret man route :/
[07:21] <BigJG> jeffco: by the sounds of it, software other than skype would be used, but the functionality looks the same
[07:21] <jeffco> so how can i then have my ubuntu/debian system recognize that Firefox 1.0.4 is now the current browser?
[07:21] <odiousone> damn visual studio .net 2003 takes freakin ages to install
[07:21] <xfSx> i couldn't install themes with 1.0.2
[07:22] <jeffco> okay, BigJG, i'll look into it again, but i hope that this other software can communicate with skype users.
[07:22] <BigJG> Speaking of... I have had troubles getting office 2003 to install via wine, anyone have any suggestions? Mainly I want Powerpoint
[07:22] <antix> xfSx, I got the same problem with plugins..
[07:22] <BigJG> jeffco: yes Voip uses standardized protocols SIP or H.323 as i was talking about previously which allows different softwares to interoperate
[07:22] <hybrid_goth> BigJG: try OOo
[07:23] <jeffco> everyone,  how can i then have my ubuntu/debian system recognize that Firefox 1.0.4 is now the current browser?
[07:23] <BigJG> hybrid_goth: I have used OOo and unfortunately the animations just aren't up to par yet
[07:23] <hybrid_goth> BigJG: OOo has a PP alternative and can save .pp or w.e
[07:23] <hybrid_goth> BigJG: ah ok try crossover office idk if it is free tho
[07:24] <BigJG> hybrid_goth: Ok thanks much!
[07:24] <Juhaz> hmm, now that I think of it, update.mozilla.org doesn't work w/ubuntu firefox because it sniffs that version is 1.0.2 and can't know it's a fixed version
[07:24] <hybrid_goth> BigJG: no
[07:24] <hybrid_goth> **np
[07:24] <drcode> any one know console newsgroup software?
[07:24] <drcode> for linux?
[07:25] <Juhaz> slrn
[07:25] <odiousone> i'm downloading ubuntu because i'm sick of all the x.org vs xfree crap with debian, but if the community is this stupid i might just stick to sarge and suck it in wrt X
[07:26] <jeffco> in xchat, when i right click a link, the options include "Mozilla Firefox" and "Mozilla." Which is it if I want to open a link from Xchat to the currently running firefox?
[07:26] <drcode> what is slrn?
[07:26] <odiousone> tin > slrn
[07:26] <BigJG> odiousone: ok been fun! cya later!
[07:26] <odiousone> apt-get install tin drcode
[07:26] <scorpix> what's the path for the usb port for the printer in 2.6.x kernel ?
[07:26] <Juhaz> tin sucks
[07:27] <odiousone> BigJG k thx!
[07:27] <dr_willis> jeffco,  i recall there being a 'open in new browser, open in new tab' and some other options in my xchat menus
[07:27] <jeffco> Regarding: rm -rf / is what BigJG and Choubaka said true. That not just a root user, but also a non-root user would have deleted his home directory?
[07:28] <odiousone> any files you have write access to jeffco
[07:28] <jeffco> dr_willis, yes, but in my case, those options are sub-nested under "mozilla" and "mozilla firefox".
[07:28] <HappyFool> well, rm -rf * would likely do something unpleasant if you were in your home directory
[07:28] <jeffco> odiousone, then in other words, it WAS going to wreak damage on my PC!
[07:29] <odiousone> jeffco oh noes!
[07:29] <toran> hey guys, I'm having some problems getting my wireless network card to work
[07:29] <drcode> tathanx
[07:29] <drcode> thanx
[07:29] <toran> (I have to reboot into another os to get on the network, that's how I'm in here now)
[07:29] <karljp> anyone i sntalled imgseek from the repos?
[07:29] <toran> I have a Prism 2 PCI wireless card
[07:29] <karljp> ImportError: No module named imgSeekLib
[07:29] <toran> that /should/ work out of box
[07:29] <Juhaz> karljp, yes, it's broken
[07:29] <toran> but it's not
[07:29] <karljp> ok, good.
[07:30] <karljp> is there any easy fix?
[07:30] <amichai> does anyone know if there is a gui tool for unpacking .deb packages? I want to give ubuntu to my customers, but avoiding them using terminal.
[07:30] <Juhaz> karljp, it installs to wrong dir, that in itself would be easy to fix, but even if you move it, there's some kind of pyqt version incompability
[07:30] <odiousone> unpacking .deb?
[07:30] <HappyFool> amichai: can't you get them to use synaptic instead ?
[07:30] <odiousone> you mean installing?
[07:31] <odiousone> if so synaptic
[07:31] <karljp> hmm, yeah, it seem to upack to python2.3, instead of python[currentver] 
[07:31] <HappyFool> amichai: maybe setting up your own repository?
[07:31] <jeffco> HappyFool, and how do i know if i were in my home directory?
[07:31] <jeffco> does terminal automatically start in home directory?
[07:31] <odiousone> jeffco: pwd tells you where you are
[07:31] <HappyFool> yes
[07:32] <amichai> HappyFool: how can they install an app that isnt in the repos then? setting up my own repository, interesting idea, no idea where to start
[07:32] <ali4728> Help !How do we locate a file with ubuntu?
[07:33] <odiousone> ali4728: in terminal: 'locate <filename>'
[07:33] <HappyFool> amichai: i think there's some stuff on the wiki on it. look under the APT* pages
[07:33] <agh> ali4728: there's lots of ways. what exactly are you trying to do?
[07:33] <amichai> HappyFool: thanx
[07:33] <HappyFool> amichai: i think 'man dpkg-scanpackages' might be of help too
[07:33] <ali4728> wanna locate a file that I dont know in which directory?
[07:33] <BigJG> locate <filename>, whereis <filename> , or go to root: cd / ; find -name <filename>
[07:34] <agh> ali4728: what kind of file? one you created or one that's part of the os?
[07:34] <amichai> HappyFool: thanx man :)
[07:34] <HappyFool> np ;)
[07:34] <jeffco> To all, and to Choubaka, when i right-click a link in Xchat and select "Mozilla Firefox... "--> "Run new Mozilla Firefox" it works. But other options (for example "open in existing" or "open in new tab") dont work. Why not?
[07:34] <odiousone> this all seems so difficult! in windows i just go start->search!
[07:35] <danko123456> All right, that's it, I am going back to qwindows:-p
 when I "slocate <filename>" I dont get any!!
[07:35] <toran> ali4728: are you on kubuntu? just go to the kmenu-find files
[07:35] <odiousone> s/slocate/locate
[07:35] <danko123456> why are you so syure the file is even tehre...
[07:35] <agh> ali4728: locate is very fast, but only works for indexed files.
[07:35] <toran> or, if you must do it from the terminal, just type "locate"
[07:35] <BigJG> ali4728: do you know the exact name?
[07:36] <HappyFool> jeffco: you might have to hack X-Chat settings. look at Settings -> Advanced -> URL Handlers
[07:36] <agh> ali4728: if it's part of the os, then it'll be indexed. if it's one you created yourself, it won't.
[07:36] <danko123456> ali4728: places search for files....
[07:36] <HappyFool> jeffco: i don't know much more about that though, sorry
[07:36] <danko123456> Right in the menu..
[07:36] <agh> ali4728: if it's not indexed, you need to use find.
[07:36] <odiousone> jeffco: use BitchX and learn to copy and paste urls. only then will you be 1337
 ok I l try that
[07:36] <agh> ali4728: find is a very powerful tool, but it actually scans through the directory systems on disk (much like windows search)
[07:37] <danko123456> ali4728: if you wan t start>search type of gui, go places menu, then search for files.
[07:37] <Juhaz> agh, not true, other files do get indexed when update runs
[07:37] <jeffco> Thanks HappyFool.  okay i'm in the url handlers, now what do I do, people? How can i set up URLs fromXchat to run with the Firefox?
[07:37] <BigJG> anyone use a graphical front-end for clamav?
[07:37] <jeffco> Or ccould it be a problem with extensionS?
[07:37] <agh> Juhaz: yeah, but sometimes little white lies simplify things
[07:37] <danko123456> BigJG: on windoewS?
[07:37] <jeffco> Maybe a conflict with the extensions I've installed?
[07:37] <BigJG> Ubuntu
[07:38] <danko123456> an antivirus, do I run an antivirus??
[07:38] <agh> ali4728: anyway, syntax is find <directory to start in> -name '.*file.*' -print
[07:38] <gaten> is there a list of items on todo or possible inclusion for public view ? ( I"ve checked wiki but not finding anything yet)
[07:38] <HappyFool> jeffco: you probably need change the 'firefox' entries to '/path/to/your/firefox'
[07:38] <danko123456> agh, man, he wants a gui, there is one in places menu...
[07:38] <agh> danko123456: he probably wants a solution, but you're right a gui is a better approach
[07:39] <danko123456> agh, man, I am gonna get high, an d then I am gonna go to worki:-p
[07:39] <agh> danko123456: and the ubuntu boxes I've got don't even have X on them :)
[07:39] <jeffco> HappyFool, ok, i'll try. But how do i now that the problem is not with the extensions I've insntalled?
[07:39] <danko123456> agh, hehe
[07:39] <HappyFool> gaten: hang on a moment
[07:39] <odiousone> for all those people asking questions here: why are you using linux? it's obviously not for the user friendly nature of the system. are you hippies? communists? anti-microsoft zealots? why? just use windows, it's easy and it works
[07:39] <agh> danko123456: or monitors, for that matter.... :)
[07:39] <HappyFool> jeffco: no, it's probably because x-chat can't find your firefox
[07:39] <Juhaz> odiousone, fuck off already or shut the fuck up
[07:39] <agh> odiousone: great name
[07:40] <HappyFool> gaten: how's this: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals ?
[07:40] <gaten> HappyFool: k thx
[07:40] <agh> odiousone: personally I use linux because it provides me with a great workstation for hooking into the unix gear at work
[07:40] <odiousone> it's a serious question
[07:40] <jeffco> HappyFool, ok. thanks. I'll try to change the location in the url handlers.
[07:40] <oliverp_> how do i get a directory to be viewed by the file broswe in applications menu / sysutils / broswe, from the command line?
[07:40] <hybrid_goth> odiousone: i use it b/c it gives me more power then windoze
[07:40] <odiousone> agh: and ssh on cygwin doesn't cut it for you?
[07:40] <thoreauputic> odiousone: you need to be more subtle if you want to troll successfully ;-)
[07:40] <BigJG> odiousone: Windows costs money :)
[07:40] <humbraro> odiousone, hmm, since when is windows easy, and since when does it just work?
[07:40] <superted> i've got the modules for my wireless card set up, how do i create the interface?
[07:41] <hybrid_goth> humbraro: heh
[07:41] <poningru> how do you install a .deb package?
[07:41] <thoreauputic> humbraro: don't feed the trolls
[07:41] <airox> poningru: dpkg -i <package>
[07:41] <agh> odiousone: remote x under cygwin isn't nice. key management for both cygwin and putty is lacking, and gvim for windows has weird key mappings I'm not inclined to fix.
[07:41] <Cybermagellan> hehe, gonna install Kubuntu on my wifes Mac
[07:41] <gaten> hackbard: nope I'd found that already but its helpful..no i'm looking for a list of things being considered for a future release or for updates..like I hear HAL/utopia(?) being given facelift so insert(CD)/eject doesn't require right click to succede .stuff like that....
[07:41] <odiousone> thoreauputic: i'm the troll mastah
[07:41] <poningru> thank you
[07:41] <airox> argh
[07:41] <humbraro> sorry couldn't resist
[07:41] <hybrid_goth> Cybermagellan: heh
[07:41] <airox> superted: It should be there after the module loading.
[07:41] <Cybermagellan> ubuntu on my PC, Kubuntu on her Mac
[07:41] <JorisK> Question: is there a command where i can see all the drivenames and partitionlayout?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> odiousone: to repeat-  odiousone: you need to be more subtle if you want to troll successfully ;-)
[07:42] <HappyFool> poningru: you can use 'dpkg -i <filename>'
[07:42] <airox> JorisK: fdisk -p afaik
[07:42] <odiousone> agh: good points, but don't you feel dirty?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> fdisk -l
[07:42] <airox> ah
[07:42] <danko123456> guess what I do for money...
[07:42] <agh> odiousone: and since I've got a linux workstation at work, it's nice to have one at home that matches
[07:42] <HappyFool> gaten: sorry, way over my head
[07:42] <odiousone> thoreauputic: when i'm this wasted i'm not one to care
[07:42] <hybrid_goth> Cybermagellan: UbuntuX on my mac
[07:42] <danko123456> I do tech support over chat:-p
[07:42] <agh> odiousone: I only feel dirty when I'm bangin yo mamma
[07:42] <airox> agh: ...
[07:42] <airox> :)
[07:43] <odiousone> agh: ooohh a yo mamma joke, for that you win one free intarweb!
[07:43] <agh> odiousone: well, I thought it a fitting response to such a banal question.
[07:43] <Juhaz> ops around? would someone please get rid of the obnoxious drunken prick
[07:43] <Cybermagellan> UbuntuX?
[07:43] <gaten> HappyFool: oh ok np..thx for  checking
[07:44] <agh> Juhaz: man, relax, he's just goofin
[07:44] <hybrid_goth> SELECT * WHERE odiousone.clue > 0
[07:44] <hybrid_goth> 0 rows returned
[07:44] <jamesio> what do you guys use to manage your pictures?  I copied over tons of wallpapers and pics of my kids, but I can't find anything comparable to ifranview in ubuntu
[07:44] <odiousone> YOU FORGOT THE FROM YOU DUMB SHIT
[07:44] <agh> odiousone: clearly you don't know postgres
[07:44] <hybrid_goth> heh
[07:44] <hybrid_goth> oops
[07:44] <Juhaz> agh, goofing goes too far when he starts recommending deleting your home dir on channel full of newbies
[07:44] <hybrid_goth> damn i look like a dumb ass
[07:44] <agh> Juhaz: true
[07:45] <agh> hybrid_goth: no, postgres does implicit from.
[07:45] <odiousone> no i don't know postgres what is that some sort of socialist sql system?
[07:45] <agh> hybrid_goth: at least by default
[07:45] <thoreauputic> jamesio: gthumb, or gqview
[07:45] <agh> odiousone: no, it's stonebreaker's 3rd generation db
[07:45] <hybrid_goth> agh: ah ok i am juss learnin
[07:45] <danko123456> odiousone, and you guys, are you arguing???
[07:45] <jeffco> HappyFool, I added two commands in the url handlers. !/home/jeff/firefox-installer/firefox -a firefox -remote 'openURL(%s,new-tab)'      and      !firefox -a /home/jeff/firefox-installer/firefox -remote 'openURL(%s,new-tab)'     but neither do anything!
[07:45] <hybrid_goth> agh: C sql and xml schema all at once :D
[07:45] <agh> hybrid_goth: your query, assuming there's an odiousone table with a clue column, would have worked.
[07:45] <odiousone> i use DB2 which is a capitalist system
[07:46] <HappyFool> jeffco: hang on
[07:46] <hybrid_goth> agh: ok good
[07:46] <agh> odiousone: I've worked with udb before. it's based on 2nd gen stuff. not bad, but their locking sucks.
[07:46] <danko123456> but, we all know that the odious table has no clue column..
[07:46] <hybrid_goth> agh: yes i was looking under odiousone for clue and finding the result
[07:46] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: heh
[07:47] <danko123456> were you arguing something or?
[07:47] <jp> hi! i just installed/login to ubuntu first time. where can i get some nice themes for gnome?
[07:47] <agh> danko123456: I disagree, clearly there is a clue column, it's just null at this time
[07:47] <danko123456> jp: right out the box.
[07:47] <HappyFool> jeffco: i think you might want something like "/home/jeff/firefox-installer/firefox -remote 'openURL(%s,new-tab)"
[07:47] <odiousone> surely there would be a user table with a user and clue row
[07:47] <danko123456> jp: gnome-look.or, art.gnome.org
[07:47] <Cybermagellan> There isn't anyway to see if the CD's are in the mail huh?
[07:47] <odiousone> am i that special that i get my own table?
[07:47] <hybrid_goth> i do that at my school all the time: SELECT * FROM wisd WHERE experience > windows
[07:47] <danko123456> both .org
[07:47] <hybrid_goth> 0 rows returned
[07:47] <agh> odiousone: depends how egocentric the database design is
[07:48] <HappyFool> jeffco: check first if that command works from the command line
[07:48] <jp> danko123456, thanks
[07:48] <danko123456> yup
[07:48] <HappyFool> jeffco: but put something like www.google.com instead of %s
[07:48] <odiousone> agh, i think i like you
[07:48] <HappyFool> jeffco: x-chat replaces %s with the url in question
[07:48] <jamesio> thoreauputic, thanks... gqview seems to do it.  do you know of a way to force it to fit the pic to the window?  I can do it on each pic, but can't find a permanent setting.
[07:49] <agh> odiousone: you must be pretty damaged then. :)
[07:49] <hybrid_goth> any xml devs here?
[07:49] <thoreauputic> jamesio: I think it's under Edit- Preferences or similar
[07:49] <agh> hybrid_goth: xml is (ch)easy.
[07:49] <odiousone> agh: i thought that was bleedingly obvious
[07:49] <hybrid_goth> agh: i like it. rss and cell phones
[07:49] <agh> hybrid_goth: yep. and config files too
[07:50] <jamesio> thoreauputic, thanks... saw preferences, but didn't notice that it had options also
[07:50] <odiousone> what on earth is a cell phone? you mean 'mobile phone' right?
[07:50] <jeffco> HappyFool,  in terminal i put in /home/jeff/firefox-installer/firefox -remote 'openURL(www.google.com,new-tab)
[07:50] <jeffco>  with no results!
[07:50] <hybrid_goth> agh: read my mind
[07:50] <agh> very excited by apple's launcher
[07:50] <HappyFool> jeffco: is firefox running ?
[07:50] <agh> er... s/launcher/launched/
[07:50] <jeffco> yes it is.
[07:50] <pbl> My ubuntu is really slow on the internet!!!!
[07:50] <odiousone> lol
[07:50] <HappyFool> jeffco: you're sure it's 1.0.4 ?
[07:50] <agh> pbl: and why is that?
[07:51] <HappyFool> jeffco: not the ubuntu 1.0.2 ?
[07:51] <pbl> I dont know, it takes ages to open google, but when its oopen is ok
[07:51] <HappyFool> jeffco: check with 'Help -> About'
[07:51] <jeffco> HappyFool,  yes. i checked the "about" on the help. it _is_ 1.0.4.
[07:51] <pbl> then the problem again 'cause I go to another web
[07:51] <agh> pbl:  hmmmm. how is your box connected to the internet?
[07:51] <odiousone> <3 pbl
[07:51] <jeffco> HappyFool,  besides, i did _not_ delete 1.0.2, as was advised.
[07:52] <HappyFool> jeffco: try http://www.google.com instead of just www.google.com ? (bit of a long shot...)
[07:52] <pbl> agh: My internet is ok cause on my Winshit is fast
[07:52] <HappyFool> jeffco: yes, i know ;) just checking
[07:52] <odiousone> HappyFool you on crack what difference will that make?
[07:52] <HappyFool> odiousone: i don't know. we will shortly discover
[07:53] <agh> pbl: stipluated, but I'm trying to get background to diagnose the problem
[07:53] <odiousone> i can tell you now HappyFool... NOTHING
[07:53] <HappyFool> in fact, www.google.com doesn't work
[07:53] <pbl> agh: I have cable, and a modem cable gives me DHCP
[07:53] <Joris> Hello everyone, my sound is not working. The previous version of Ubuntu it immidialtey worked
[07:53] <jeffco> HappyFool,  /home/jeff/firefox-installer/firefox -remote 'openURL(http://www.google.com,new-tab)
[07:53] <jeffco>  does _not_ work either.
[07:53] <hybrid_goth> Joris: hoary?
[07:53] <Joris> Anyone here who can tell me where to search?
[07:53] <Joris> yeah
[07:53] <agh> pbl: ok. have you tried traceroute or mtr to see how your connection is behaving?
[07:54] <Joris> for some reason it does not work hybrid_goth
[07:54] <jp> can anyone recommend some cool looking theme for gnome?
[07:54] <pbl> tell me the command
[07:54] <hybrid_goth> alsa installed?
[07:54] <pbl> agh
[07:54] <Joris> When i launch xmms, it starts playing, so i assume there is an driver installed
[07:54] <HappyFool> jeffco: ok, close firefox, and try just  /home/jeff/firefox-installer/firefox ?
[07:54] <odiousone> jp: i always like twm
[07:54] <sbcl3> where are the ubuntu backgrounds kept?
[07:54] <agh> pbl: there's a couple of ways to check. best is mtr, but may not be installed by default
[07:54] <hybrid_goth> Joris: esd?
[07:54] <sbcl3> i think its some folder in /usr/share
[07:54] <sbcl3> but i don't know
[07:54] <metalsand> Lafitte-: : Where do ya' live?
[07:54] <Lafitte-> metalsand, california
[07:54] <hybrid_goth> Joris: open synaptic and search alsa and esd make sure they are installed if not tell me
[07:54] <BigJG> jeffco:  looking for the firefox install path?
[07:54] <sbcl3> found it
[07:54] <sbcl3> nevermind
[07:54] <agh> pbl: in a command window (xterm for example) type "mtr www.google.com"
[07:55] <pbl> agh: installed
[07:55] <metalsand> Lafitte-: I know that, but where in Orange County?
[07:55] <thoreauputic> Joris: try the esd output plugin
[07:55] <Joris> esd is installed hybrid_goth
[07:55] <Lafitte-> metalsand,  mission viejo
[07:55] <agh> pbl: ok, what do you see?
[07:55] <Joris> root@wrkst-jorizzz:~ # esd
[07:55] <Joris> esd: Esound sound daemon already running or stale UNIX socket
[07:55] <Joris> /tmp/.esd/socket
[07:55] <Joris> This socket already exists indicating esd is already running.
[07:55] <Joris> Exiting...
[07:55] <Joris> root@wrkst-jorizzz:~ # 5~
[07:55] <Joris> oh fuck
[07:55] <Joris> sorry
[07:55] <metalsand> Lafitte-: Ah, I saw you were on cox.oc... I'm in Laguna Beach
[07:55] <metalsand> I have the same ISP ;)
[07:55] <odiousone> orange county you mean like marissa and ryan and seth and summer OMG!
[07:55] <xfSx> how do i reset my mouse sensitivty to default?
[07:55] <pbl> damn what should I tell you?
[07:55] <thoreauputic> Joris: you set esd in the prefs for xmms
[07:55] <Lafitte-> metalsand, aww   close
[07:55] <danko123456> Joris: um...restart it maybe?
[07:56] <agh> pbl: well, the table lists the various computers and routers between you and google.
[07:56] <agh> pbl: at the top of the table is your immediate upstream router.
[07:56] <Lafitte-> metalsand,  i dns you  i see   you have cox
[07:56] <agh> pbl: can you take a look at that top line and tell me what the latency is?
[07:56] <odiousone> yes i see you have cocks too
[07:56] <pbl> agh: StDEv?
[07:56] <jeffco> HappyFool,  i closed firefox and did as you said. it worked. it loaded up firefox
[07:56] <hybrid_goth> odiousone: heh
[07:57] <agh> pbl: just the average time
[07:57] <BigJG> is there a way to ignore on this?
[07:57] <pbl> 8
[07:57] <hybrid_goth>  /ignore username
[07:57] <agh> pbl: ok, so that's not the problem.
[07:57] <odiousone> zomg google ignore!
[07:57] <agh> pbl: hmmmmm....
[07:57] <unf> nas
[07:57] <BigJG> ahhh there thanks :D
[07:57] <pbl> but the last one is 73
[07:57] <HappyFool> jeffco: did you put the closing quote ?
[07:57] <jeffco> BigJG, what HappyFool is trying to help me with is my problem launching links from Xhat to Firefox.
[07:57] <HappyFool>  firefox -remote 'openURL(http://www.google.com,new-tab)'  <--- closing quote
[07:58] <metalsand> Is there a Firefox 1.0.4 package out yet?
[07:58] <flykes> Anyone here has Firefox and is on Ubuntu? try going to quicktime.com        the browser crashes!
[07:58] <agh> pbl: ok, is there a big jump somewhere in the table?
[07:58] <Joris> i tried every output plugin in XMMS thoreauputic
[07:58] <Joris> but none works
[07:58] <agh> pbl:  or a place where packet loss goes way up?
[07:58] <gaten> is it possible to configure ubuntu somehow such that using 'eject' button on CD drive will eject instead of having to use Desktop:icon:right click>eject ??..thx ;-))
[07:58] <pbl> agh: but that is becuse I just entered google on my firefox
[07:58] <odiousone> don't know about you guys but that BigJG is such a lamer. he asked me what /dev/zero was i told him it was a reflection of his soul and he believed me lol what a lamer.
[07:58] <pbl> agh: yep
[07:58] <Nalioth> jeffco, you will find that most apparent probs in linux can be fixed, unlike windoze where it makes problems up as it goes, and most are not repeatable
[07:58] <jeffco> HappyFool, are you talking about putting the closing quote in terminal, or in url-handlers?
[07:58] <HappyFool> in the terminal
[07:58] <HappyFool> i suppose it would've broken in the terminal... *sigh*
[07:58] <agh> pbl: yes what? there's a loss spike?
[07:59] <HappyFool> jeffco: sorry, i'm out of ideas if that doesn't work
[07:59] <pbl> the fourth computer gives me a jump
[07:59] <agh> pbl: a jump in average times, or a jump in packet loss?
[07:59] <danko123456> Joris: does your xmms freeze when you play, and you can get to options otherwise?
[07:59] <pbl> agh: the first are 10.127.x.x
[07:59] <metalsand> Where is all the documentation stored in Ubuntu, by default?
[07:59] <hybrid_goth> bbl [shower] 
[07:59] <metalsand> I thought it was /urs/docs
[08:00] <pbl> in avg
[08:00] <HappyFool> try /usr/share/doc
[08:00] <thoreauputic> Joris: I can only suggest you try looking at http://ubuntuguide.org and follow the directions there on sound and xmms etc
[08:00] <agh> pbl: ok, that's not a big deal
[08:00] <metalsand> Ah, thanks Fool.
[08:00] <pbl> agh: mmmm
[08:00] <thoreauputic> /usr/share/doc I think
[08:00] <agh> pbl:  what's happening there is that the packets are going out of your ISP's local PoP to the rest of the net
[08:00] <Nalioth> metalsand, the galeon web browser start page has links to system docs
[08:01] <agh> pbl: so the basic networking stuff checks out. next thing we check is the nameserver stuff
[08:01] <metalsand> Ah, right - I have that
[08:01] <metalsand> does galeon launch it in term?
[08:01] <agh> pbl: take a look at /etc/resolv.conf and tell me what you see
[08:01] <pbl> agh: I thing thats the prpoblem
[08:01] <toran> hey guys, how would I upgrade my kernel/install kernel sources?
[08:01] <kestas> anyone ever tried expocity?
[08:01] <odiousone> go to start menu, click run then type 'iexpore.exe http://www.google.com'
[08:01] <agh> toran: take a look a the kernel-package package
[08:01] <pbl> nameserver 212.40.224.73
[08:01] <pbl> nameserver 212.40.224.74
[08:01] <kestas> I cant find what the key to do the expose thing is
[08:01] <toran> ooh, that's what I needed
[08:02] <odiousone> lol s/iexpore/iexplore
[08:02] <Joris> it's not only xmms thoreauputic , ubutu itself even doesn't give any sound
[08:02] <toran> agh, I kept on doing "kernel-image"
[08:02] <toran> ><
[08:02] <Joris> and my WinXP install does thoreauputic
[08:02] <agh> pbl: ok, those nameservers look fine
[08:02] <pbl> write it again
[08:02] <agh> pbl: hmmmm... trying to remember the ns checker tool. :)
[08:02] <pbl> agh: ok
[08:02] <Nalioth> metalsand, galeon can browse the docs in itself
[08:02] <toran> agh, so, installing "kernel-package" will install the kernel source for me? where does it install to?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> Joris: if you have no sound at all it's more likely to be a driver issue - are you sure your card is supported?
[08:03] <toran> I don't see anything that looks like the kernel source in /usr/src
[08:03] <agh> toran: kernel-package installs make-kpkg tool
[08:03] <Joris> it's an audigy2
[08:03] <odiousone> brb cigarette
[08:03] <Joris> it worked immidiately in the previous version
[08:03] <agh> toran: it's what you use to build kernel .debs
[08:03] <odiousone> don't miss me too much
[08:03] <agh> odiousone: take your time, smoke two. :)
[08:03] <toran> agh, ah, but I need to install the ATI drivers, which requires the kernel source
[08:03] <agh> toran: yep, this is part of it...
[08:04] <thoreauputic> Joris: try typing ` lspci | grep -i audigy ` and see if it shows up
[08:04] <toran> ok, so with that installed I should be able to build the ati stuff?
[08:04] <agh> toran: next, you can either grab a kernel-source package or just download the kernel from kernel.org
[08:04] <HappyFool> don't you only need the kernel headers for that sort of thing ?
[08:04] <toran> oooh, good
[08:04] <toran> thanks
[08:04] <agh> toran: once you've got the source in place, apply the ati patch
[08:04] <toran> yay, you're right! apt-get install kernel-source works now ^_^
[08:04] <toran> <3
[08:04] <toran> thanks a lot
[08:04] <toran> wait, no
[08:04] <toran> it's installing kernel-source-2.4.27
[08:04] <danko123456> Joris: um...use alsamixer in a terminal, int will open a mixer GUI, you have to mute 1958 somehting, and unmute some others, and adjust volume, m mutes/unmutes, and up/down increase/decrease volume....
[08:04] <toran> ;_;
[08:05] <Joris> thoreauputic,  can i paste the output as a PM?
[08:05] <HappyFool> heh
[08:05] <agh> toran: yeah, you need to be specific which package you want. :)
[08:05] <toran> ah... is stock 5.04 on 2.6.9?
[08:05] <agh> toran:  there's a _lot_ of kernel-source options out there
[08:05] <kestas> toran,
[08:05] <kestas> toran, its linux-source
[08:05] <kestas> or something
[08:05] <danko123456> Joris: use pastebin.com and post the URL here.
[08:05] <toran> yeah, kernel-source
[08:05] <kestas> kernel-source is decaprecated
[08:05] <HappyFool> 2.6.10-5-386
[08:05] <toran> oh, ok
[08:05] <agh> kestas: wow, I'm feeling kinda... old...
[08:06] <toran> I'm feeling n00bish ;_;
[08:06] <thoreauputic> Joris: hmm - I'm no sound expert I'm afraid - you migh try googling for your card with "linux"  and "module" to see if there's a kernal module for it
[08:06] <toran> ah well, it's always like this when I do a major distro change
[08:06] <agh> kestas: at least I didn't suggest using nslookup to probe nameserver responses. :)
[08:06] <kestas> Im feeling awesome as per usual
[08:06] <toran> after years of redhat I'm ready for a change, though
[08:06] <ivoks_> toran
[08:06] <ivoks_> toran make-kpkg --stem linux
[08:06] <toran> I've already got apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.10 going
[08:07] <ivoks_> ?
[08:07] <ivoks_> linux-source
[08:07] <ivoks_> ubuntu calls packages linux-source, linux-image, linux-doc
[08:07] <ivoks_> etc
[08:07] <danko123456> thoreauputic: I made several work, after crimsun did one day.
[08:07] <George__> hey, looking for a good web designing software. Something like Dreamweaver.
[08:07] <danko123456> thoreauputic: he should read what I said.
[08:07] <kestas> ivoks, there is an old kernel-source package, just to confuse you
[08:07] <kestas> but thats 2.4
[08:07] <toran> how do I get my current kernel version to print? I know there's a command (I've seen it before), I just can't remember it ><
[08:07] <kestas> uname -r
[08:07] <agh> toran: uname -a
[08:07] <toran> Yes, that's it
[08:07] <HappyFool> uname -a
[08:08] <toran> phwee~~
[08:08] <George__> do u guys know of a software that is like dreamweaver?
[08:08] <toran> well, I'm going outa X again
[08:08] <kestas> gedit
[08:08] <toran> ja ne
[08:08] <kestas> vi
[08:08] <agh> and the prize goes to kestas
[08:08] <kestas> emacs
[08:08] <toran> vi is the bestest
[08:08] <George__> what?
[08:08] <gaten> George__: nvu is prob. closest equivalent atm
[08:08] <George__> thank u
[08:08] <thoreauputic> danko123456: I just don't want to diappoint anyone - I'm no Crimsun!  (he is an awesome sound expert)
[08:08] <George__> thata's the software i needed
[08:08] <George__> forgot the name
[08:08] <gaten> George__: np anytime
[08:08] <danko123456> toran
[08:08] <danko123456> bah
[08:08] <George__> i can't speel
[08:09] <George__> apt-get install nvu?
[08:09] <agh> toran: vi sucks, but at least it's always there, no matter what unix box you happen to be on.
[08:09] <kestas> vim?
[08:09] <George__> vim?
[08:09] <BigJG> I actually really like vi
[08:09] <danko123456> thoreauputic: Im saying that the audigy 2 works as I said...just has to adjust alsamixer, or a mixer, to mute some 1958 thing, and unmute main, and adjust volumes, with m, and arrows.
[08:09] <BigJG> and yea its on everything so good to know
[08:09] <kestas> ubuntu uses vi light or something by default right
[08:09] <gaten> George__: if not..: www.nvu.com
[08:09] <kestas> dont base vi on vi-lite
[08:09] <goldfish> lol
[08:10] <thoreauputic> danko123456: ah, i see :)
[08:10] <goldfish> vim is cool
[08:10] <agh> BigJG: you probably really like vim
[08:10] <kestas> and dont use web designers
[08:10] <agh> vim is pretty good
[08:10] <BigJG> I like the vi that you get when you do vi <filename>
[08:10] <kestas> ed is the best
[08:10] <thoreauputic> I think vi is a link to vim on Ubuntu
[08:10] <kestas> its indisputable
[08:10] <danko123456> Joris: do that.
[08:10] <agh> BigJG: almost certainly vim, possibly nvi
[08:10] <thoreauputic> kestas: :)
[08:10] <gaten> kestas: nonsense..you gotta be careful with your code i agree ( backup before editing never hurts anyway) but nvu is decent as is mozilla composer..
[08:11] <goldfish> NANO !
[08:11] <agh> goldfish: there's always one in the crowd
[08:11] <BigJG> I see no differences between that and the vi that was on solaris besides the mode listing
[08:11] <Joris> danko123456,  i unmuted everything
[08:11] <tsume> is there any app for GNOME to readjust my CPU throttle settings like there is in KDE?
[08:11] <kestas> gaten, I agree and mozilla composer is pointless too
[08:11] <goldfish> agh: :)
[08:11] <Joris> but you're telling me to mute some 1958 thingy?
[08:11] <kestas> is writing CSS/HTML so hard?
[08:11] <tsume> one which I can pick.. powersave.. performance, or ondemand?
[08:11] <danko123456> Joris: is there a 1958 something
[08:11] <hans_> im missing a shortcut of wine in my gnome menu
[08:11] <Choubaka> I like bluefish :)
 kde systemguard
[08:11] <agh> bluefish is cute
[08:11] <Choubaka> hans_: there is none
[08:12] <Choubaka> wine is not an application you can run
[08:12] <tsume> John6000: I need it in GNOME, not KDE :)
[08:12] <John6000> ok
[08:12] <Choubaka> it's a wrapped for windows binaries
[08:12] <pbl> AAAARRRRGGHHHHHHHH
[08:12] <Choubaka> wrapper.
[08:12] <kestas> Choubaka, you can run it
[08:12] <kestas> Choubaka, you can select windows binaries from it
[08:12] <tsume> John6000: in KDE, I used the applet
[08:12] <hans_> and where do i start it? in knoppix its in the kde menu
[08:12] <gaten> kestas: not everyone wakes up and is a immediate html expert/junkie ;-)...and even if not its nice sometimes to throw away the console and get real things done sometimes ;-)
[08:12] <kestas> its just a basic qui
[08:12] <kestas> *guo
[08:12] <kestas> -*gui
[08:12] <John6000> k
[08:12] <Choubaka> ahaa. :P
[08:12] <agh> pbl: sorry, I can't remember the nameserver checker thingy
[08:12] <Joris> no there isn't danko123456
[08:12] <John6000>  testing
[08:12] <kestas> gaten, okay but dreamweaver was def harder than just writing a few tags
[08:12] <pbl> agh: thnks
[08:13] <agh> pbl: it's been a while since I did networks
[08:13] <HappyFool> agh: you thinking of dig?
[08:13] <tsume> GNOME looks pretty, but sure does lack features :)
[08:13] <kestas> youve got an interface full of 100 little buttons with icons which tell you nothing
[08:13] <agh> HappyFool: nah, the one that pounds nameservers with random names and gives a response metric
[08:13] <danko123456> joris, paste the output of amixer to pastebin.com , please:)
[08:13] <BigJG> tsume:  does kde have alot more customization options?
[08:13] <thoreauputic> nslookup, dig, whois, host
[08:13] <tsume> BigJG: unfortunately
[08:14] <agh> thoreauputic: whois doesn't touch nameservers, actually.
[08:14] <toran> hey guys, it's me again- ok, so I have the linux-source package installed, now what do I do with the tarball in /usr/src? Shouldn't it have automagically been installed?
[08:14] <hybrid_goth> back
[08:14] <BigJG> tsume:  i was thinking of checking that out
[08:14] <tsume> BigJG: one of the major pros in KDE for me are the policy setup (like group policies in windows)
[08:14] <robaqqq> hi all i have a trouble with my network card under ubuntu warty
[08:14] <thoreauputic> agh: OK :)
[08:14] <gaten> tsume: well yeah they have made some real STUPID design decisions imo...beyond that its simplicity is kewl though..and desireable ;-0
[08:14] <hybrid_goth> man i am gettin _sick_
[08:14] <kestas> toran, nope I think it makes it easier to install a new clean repository
[08:14] <BigJG> tsume AAAAHH GROUP POLICY!!!
[08:14] <tsume> unfortunately KDE is much more better than GNOME, but the toolkit it uses isn't the greatest
[08:14] <danko123456> tsume: depends on what you need.
[08:14] <BigJG> tsume:  you just signed the deal!
[08:14] <gaten> tsume: nor 100% free
[08:14] <hybrid_goth> i think i got ROTS-idius
[08:15] <kestas> toran, cd /usr/src/; tar -jpvxf linux-source-wah.tar.bz2; ln -s linux linux-2.6.10
[08:15] <toran> kestas: ok, so what should I do to install it?
[08:15] <toran> ok
[08:15] <toran> thanks
[08:15] <BigJG> gaten:  what do you meanby not 100% free?
[08:15] <toran> oh, I just have to extract it? that's all?
[08:15] <toran> ^_^
[08:15] <danko123456> tsume: um...I cant say that a kde would be more useful for me, I would use it otherwise...
[08:15] <Joris> danko123456,  once i paste the output in pastebin and press send it scrambles it
[08:15] <gaten> BigJG: you cant use qt for commecial use
[08:15] <tsume> BigJG: he means he can't steal the code, close source it, and to his standards.."sell it"
[08:15] <kestas> you should also make a symlink toran
[08:15] <odiousone> BigJG: qt is non-free
[08:15] <toran> yeah, that too :P
[08:15] <gaten> BigJG: gtk has no such issues
[08:15] <toran> kthxbai
[08:15] <danko123456> Joris: whats teh URL
[08:15] <toran> ;)
[08:15] <zenlunatic> tsume, Yeah thats free IMO.
[08:16] <danko123456> hurry up. 2, I gotta go 2 work
[08:16] <agh> now, I thought that qt had gone gpl a couple of months back
[08:16] <zenlunatic> tsume, Whats so wrong about improving a propreitary app with some free code?
[08:16] <tsume> danko123456: get a laptop with centrino, and come back and run gnome on it
[08:16] <BigJG> is qt the graphical management end of kde then?
[08:16] <Joris> http://pastebin.com/284233 danko123456
[08:16] <gaten> BigJG: yu
[08:16] <zenlunatic> BigJG, Its the toolkit.
[08:16] <tsume> zenlunatic: heh heh heh
[08:16] <gaten> BigJG: p
[08:16] <gaten> BigJG: lol
[08:16] <zenlunatic> tsume, I wasn't trying to be funny.
[08:16] <odiousone> i must have missed that /. groupthink story
[08:16] <tsume> zenlunatic: anyone can make money off GPL'ed apps easy, and I'm not telling how ;)
[08:16] <tsume> without stealing the code :)
[08:17] <kestas> ebay?
[08:17] <gaten> tsume: lol yeah just look at mandake <wink>
[08:17] <hybrid_goth> odiousone: /. is old and sux
[08:17] <robaqqq> my computer hangs during booting on "hotplug services". i can skip it with ctrl+c and get  system loaded, but there is no network card detected after that. could you help me?
[08:17] <tsume> its very simple too, I think I'll write some great app.. and sell it.
[08:17] <zenlunatic> tsume, No one is harmed by cvs uping a source tree and using it.
[08:17] <kestas> did you see that guy who sold pearpc on ebay
[08:17] <BigJG> I am not concerned with commercial restraints at the moment so I am definitely going to see what it has to offer. My only problem is I am on dialup so it takes forever to get anything
[08:17] <krazykook> how did this stuff ever get to be such a mess....this version of this won't compile against that version of that.
[08:17] <zenlunatic> tsume, The original code is there still.
[08:17] <hybrid_goth> it is not illegal to sell opensource
[08:17] <xfSx> do i even need hotplug? As my usb devices seem to work before it's even started, and it takes a while to start
[08:17] <hybrid_goth> but is immoral
[08:17] <zenlunatic> BigJG, Just order the cds.
[08:17] <Choubaka> BigJG: ouch.
[08:17] <trygvebw> hybrid_goth: it's probably the Mac OS X version which is illegal :(
[08:17] <odiousone> hybrid_goth: o rly? thank you captain obvious ;p
[08:17] <agh> toran: you've gotta be kidding me.
[08:18] <BigJG> krazykook: thats what you get for the customization available
[08:18] <Choubaka> hybrid_goth: it's not immoral either. :D
[08:18] <toran> i have it now :P
[08:18] <agh> toran: did you just login as root?
[08:18] <BigJG> zenlunatic: good idea
[08:18] <toran> agh: temporarily, man
[08:18] <hybrid_goth> Choubaka: imho it is
[08:18] <toran> i'm not in X right now
[08:18] <danko123456> Joris: wow..work it out...
[08:18] <hybrid_goth> odiousone: fuck you
[08:18] <goldfish> toran: do not under any circumstances irc as root
[08:18] <BigJG> just iggy diousone
[08:18] <tsume> I know its okay to sell open source, but I know how to make people buy software ;)
[08:18] <trygvebw> It doesn't matter if selling PearPC is legal if the Mac OS X version it's coming with is warez...
[08:18] <BigJG> ok time for lunch bbl
[08:18] <thoreauputic> hybrid_goth: RMS got his start selling emacs for $150 :)
[08:18] <Choubaka> there was a mac os with it? :|
[08:18] <trygvebw> Choubaka: yeah
[08:19] <toran> ok
[08:19] <Joris> alsamixer is ASCII
[08:19] <toran> ^_^
[08:19] <Joris> alsamixer is ASCII danko123456
[08:19] <zenlunatic> BigJG, At least you;ll have the standard packages which make the system usable.
[08:19] <toran> no longer root :)
[08:19] <odiousone> rms smells
[08:19] <hybrid_goth> thoreauputic: heh
[08:19] <agh> odiousone: yeah, he actually kinda does smell.
[08:19] <thoreauputic> hybrid_goth: true
[08:19] <krazykook> heh....i got a 2gig dvd of hoary...i wonder if the thing works
[08:19] <agh> odiousone: and he's got a kind of wild / crazy look in his eyes too.
[08:19] <zenlunatic> BigJG, I know how it is. I just got cable tuesday. I used to go to the library and use their wireless for any real apt-getting.
[08:19] <robaqqq> hi all, please help me, i'm a "joe average" user i don't think i can get far without your help... my computer hangs during booting on "hotplug services". i can skip it with ctrl+c and get  system loaded, but there is no network card detected after that. could you help me with that?
[08:19] <odiousone> agh: there's no kinda about it. i had to run away
[08:19] <thoreauputic> hybrid_goth: "when we refer to free, we mean Freedom and not price"
[08:20] <zenlunatic> BigJG, When I first got cable I was convulsing with joy.
[08:20] <toran> ok, I have a question, now- I try to compile the ATI kernel module, and it errors something about "incomplete headers: /usr/src/linux/headers/version.h not found" or something like that
[08:20] <agh> odiousone: you must have got him on a really musty day then.
[08:20] <hybrid_goth> thoreauputic: i know what free is
[08:20] <Choubaka> tsume: how does it lie? :|
[08:20] <tsume> I need my throttle apps
[08:20] <hybrid_goth> the famous free as in freedom
[08:20] <kestas> toran, install kernel-headers
[08:20] <goldfish> robaqqq: www.ubuntuguide.org -shows u how to disable those hotplug thingies
[08:20] <toran> AHA.
[08:20] <Joris> i cant' do shit danko123456  :( don't you remember the name of the setting anymore?
[08:20] <agh> odiousone: he showers at least twice a week. :)
[08:20] <toran> sorry to bother you with these stupid questions
[08:20] <ivoks> tsume lies?
[08:20] <toran> -_-
[08:20] <odiousone> agh: i suppose it was summer
[08:20] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, Use bsd and stop complaining about GPL.
[08:20] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, Its not going away or anything.
[08:20] <tsume> Choubaka: says programs take much memory, without saying how much is inactive in the pool acting like the memory looks like its inuse
[08:20] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, The gpl that is.
[08:20] <thoreauputic> hybrid_goth: I'm just reinforcing the RMS point: he has no objection to people selling free software
[08:21] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: i aint complianing i just said it is imoral to sell oss
[08:21] <danko123456> Joris: :)
[08:21] <Choubaka> tsume: huh?
[08:21] <hybrid_goth> and imo
[08:21] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, Why is it immoral?
[08:21] <danko123456> Joris: something came up, ask crimsun
[08:21] <kestas> if people want to have to buy a piece of software before they can trust it Ill be happy to be the one to take their money
[08:21] <Choubaka> Mem:    516344k total,   509960k used,     6384k free,    41900k buffers
[08:21] <Choubaka> Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,   281612k cached
[08:21] <agh> odiousone: esr is pretty bad, when his wife's not around to make him wash... :)
[08:21] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: whe should you sell something that is meant to be free
[08:21] <Choubaka> the cache is the relevant part.
[08:21] <hybrid_goth> as in freedom
[08:21] <tsume> Choubaka: I can stop every application running on the system, and it will say I've 500 in use
[08:21] <hybrid_goth> but is no illegal
[08:21] <hybrid_goth> look at novell
[08:21] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, Thing is it doesn't matter if you sell it because someone else can repackage the source and resell it which drives the cost to zero.
[08:21] <Choubaka> tsume: of course
[08:21] <robaqqq> goldfish that page does't even contain word hotplug" could you show me which chapter is relevant?
[08:21] <Choubaka> because it _is_ in use
[08:22] <goldfish> robaqqq: ok
[08:22] <odiousone> agh: yeah, and he's likely to pull a weapon on you if you mention his BO problem
[08:22] <Choubaka> unused ram is useless :)
[08:22] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: i have seen a thousand places to buy linux
[08:22] <Joris> danko123456, i found out the output digitual / analog jack is turned off, any idea how to bring it back on?
[08:22] <tsume> Choubaka: it could at least be placed as inactive in the menu
[08:22] <Choubaka> so linux caches stuff to make your system more responsive.
[08:22] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: bsd liscence sux
[08:22] <thoreauputic> hybrid_goth: mostly I think the idea is to sell a serveice, not the software itself
[08:22] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, The gnu folks see no problem in getting payed to write software. Where they draw the line is being able to control that software.
[08:22] <thoreauputic> *service
[08:22] <Choubaka> tsume: it's the "cache"
[08:22] <kestas> Choubaka, remember all of the cached ram
[08:22] <Choubaka> it's not inactive :)
[08:22] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: donations?
[08:22] <kestas> Choubaka, thats not used per se
[08:23] <kestas> Choubaka, wait youre the one who gets this and I should be talking to someone else
[08:23] <Choubaka> hehe :D
[08:23] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, Which is stupid IMO because you don't see anyone complaining about companies owning the copyrights on movies, well you do actually but thats different.
[08:23] <kestas> tsume, cache is where programs are
[08:23] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: i run strictly oss gpl'edd software
[08:23] <robaqqq> goldfish thanks, i was googling a lot, but found nothing what can help me...
[08:23] <kestas> tsume, cache ram isnt being used but its storing useful stuff
[08:23] <agh> tsume: Choubaka, linux does some sorta odd stuff with unlinked .so's too. ldd leaves them in memory, but the kernel reports them as "cached"
[08:23] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, Well thats your choice. Thats a stupid choice IMO.
[08:23] <trygvebw> In which package is GIJ?
[08:23] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, I use sofwware because it gets the job done and is optimized.
[08:23] <tsume> this was much easier with freebsd..
[08:24] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, I use linux/bsd because I find its better.
[08:24] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: why you want closed sourced?
[08:24] <agh> tsume: not suprising. freebsd is pretty awesome.
[08:24] <danko123456> Joris: m, as far as I know. maybe it is not to be turned on, that is possible
[08:24] <tsume> I don't like seeing my system with 500MB in use when even X is closed
[08:24] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: i use linux b/c i love the community
[08:24] <kestas> "I use sofwware because it gets the job done and is optimized."?
[08:24] <agh> tsume: but the network layer in linux smokes freebsd. :)
[08:24] <krazykook> gaten: windows did not get market share by standardization....they got it by forcing people to buy windows when they buy hardwares.
[08:24] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, Because if it wasn't for closed source development environments we wouldn't have Openoffice.org or Mozilla. Remember how those projects started.
[08:24] <tsume> agh: so it beats microsoft windows too? ;)
[08:24] <trygvebw> In which package is GIJ?
[08:24] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, The open source model never could have built those apps from scratch.
[08:24] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: Mozilla came from netscape
[08:25] <tsume> brb, need to boot to KDE
[08:25] <gaten> krazykook: yes of course..but they are both accurate statements
[08:25] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, Yes which was closed source.
[08:25] <krazykook> gaten: it is not a standardization issue....it is a supplier issue.
[08:25] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: you dont know that
[08:25] <agh> agh: uh... actually... the network layer in windows is pretty clearly cut from way old freebsd. :)
[08:25] <kestas> I heard netbsds networking stack was the best
[08:25] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, Actually I do know that.
[08:25] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: i support the oss scene
[08:25] <krazykook> gaten: what always semms to happen is the technician tries to install linux first and then has a problem so says...screw this, hand me the windows cd
[08:25] <goldfish> robaqqq: hmmm it appears it has been removed from the site, hold on a sec.
[08:25] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, Me too because it creates better software.
[08:25] <Choubaka> agh: talking to yuorself? :D
[08:25] <Choubaka> your*
[08:25] <thoreauputic> zenlunatic: they opened the source in 1998 - but moz ia a complete re-write anyway
[08:25] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, But I don't hate the propretiary scene.
[08:26] <goldfish> How do you blacklist hotplug stuff ?
[08:26] <Lafitte-> barstow    no way in hell
[08:26] <agh> kestas: it's arguable. the linux network stack is a new, single pass, design. all the bsds use classic dual pass
[08:26] <Choubaka> goldfish: hmm
[08:26] <gaten> krazykook: usually one excuteable works on whatever version of windows..with noteable exception sometimes with 'XP" lol...not so easy here
[08:26] <goldfish> It was ono ubuntuguide, but i cant find it now :/
[08:26] <metalsand> nmap is extremely complex
[08:26] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, MS Offfice is still the best office suite.
[08:26] <thoreauputic> goldfish: put it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[08:26] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: yes i love the the idea that you can see the code and security
[08:26] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, Bye far.
[08:26] <metalsand> What's commands to I actually need!
[08:26] <danko123456> zenlunatic: ccome on...
[08:26] <kestas> agh: dont worry you can get away with making rash pro-linux statements in a linux chan ;)
[08:26] <krazykook> gaten: no...that is not true....i have an executable of postgres that will not work on win98
[08:26] <agh> metalsand: yes, and I'm curious why you'r playing with it. :)
[08:26] <zenlunatic> danko123456, By far it is.
[08:26] <krazykook> gaten: but apparently will work on win2k
[08:26] <danko123456> haha:-p
[08:26] <krazykook> gaten: there is nothing standardized about windows either
[08:27] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: i dont like office suites but yes MS beats OOo but what about Star? i have never used star
[08:27] <gaten> krazykook:sometimes...and for good reason..linux isn't all things to all people with sure is why we can claim the diversity is good..but sometimes its bad
[08:27] <goldfish> robaqqq: add whatever hotplug service is giving errors, to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[08:27] <zenlunatic> danko123456, But I still prefer emacs for real work.
[08:27] <odiousone> krazykook: you are krazy if you want to run postgres on 98
[08:27] <Choubaka> goldfish: create a file in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/
[08:27] <danko123456> it can s*** my B***
[08:27] <Choubaka> and put the modules to be blacklisted in that file
[08:27] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, Star is basically the same as OOo.
[08:27] <krazykook> odiousone: well i can't so now i run mysql on win98
[08:27] <abarbaccia> hybrid_goth, MS beats star as well basically because doc files and MS formatting is the standard
[08:27] <danko123456> emacs=text editor, word=word editor....
[08:27] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: then why is it premium
[08:27] <metalsand> agh: To learn :)
[08:27] <trygvebw> StarOffice is not the same as OpenOffice.org 2.0
[08:27] <kestas> "yes i love the the idea that you can see the code and security"
[08:27] <robaqqq> goldfish but how to check which hotplug service is giving errors?
[08:27] <gaten> krazykook: yeah there is..if a vendor writes an app he 'knows' what dll to expect to be there..not  true for .so all the time in distro xyz
[08:27] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, What do you mean?
[08:27] <agh> krazykook: why on earth are you still using win98?
[08:27] <trygvebw> abarbaccia: Star and Open supports DOC files...
[08:27] <Tsuroerusu> What's with the fish? :P
[08:27] <agh> metalsand: check out scanrand then
[08:28] <danko123456> zenlunatic: what would I need a word editor for, anyhow...
[08:28] <gaten> krazykook: ie: not everyone 'adheres' to the LSB..and thats bad
[08:28] <metalsand> agh: what's that?
[08:28] <Nalioth> staroffice has support attached
[08:28] <krazykook> gaten: they can statically link if they are suspicious about that particular dll
[08:28] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: isnt Star a paid program
[08:28] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, You have to realize that people like RMS are stifiling technological innovation because they reject things as basic as cell phones because they can't modify the source.
[08:28] <abarbaccia> trygvebw, yes, but they try to read MS formatting - its MS'
[08:28] <agh> metalsand:  check it out. :)
[08:28] <trygvebw> abarbaccia: does that matter?
[08:28] <robaqqq> goldfish, sorry, but i'm really lame with console and all that stuff
[08:28] <aeho> Does someone know, why sounds don't work in open quartz?
[08:28] <krazykook> gaten: it is no problem to statically link just one of the dlls
[08:28] <metalsand> agh: Brief description? :P
[08:28] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: linux fones exist
[08:28] <agh> metalsand: stateless network scanner. very, very, very fast.
[08:28] <kestas> open quartz you say?
[08:28] <trygvebw> abarbaccia: why does that mean that Word is better than OpenOffice?
[08:28] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, If saying "I only run free/open source software" makes managing your life easier than do it.
[08:28] <gaten> krazykook: Yes i know
[08:28] <abarbaccia> trygvebw, its MS's file format - they just try to adapt - so when you have a heavily formatted MS document (like my resume for example) it comes up all wrong in OOO and star
[08:28] <kestas> that sounds interesting
[08:28] <metalsand> agh: What does stateless mean?
[08:29] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, Because thats why I think people choose it.
[08:29] <trygvebw> abarbaccia: really, i've never had _a single_ problem in OpenOffice.org
[08:29] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: gladly :D
[08:29] <trygvebw> except for documents with Macros
[08:29] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, By saying only FOSS then they can eliminate choices which is less headaches
[08:29] <krazykook> gaten: but the problem is when these libs add extra parameters to functions....then the wrapper code no longer works
[08:29] <gaten> krazykook: it just creates problems when distrros ship various libs..thats why distros like symphonyOS are coming around the corner...
[08:29] <agh> metalsand: that's beyond the scope of this channel. go read the docs on it. they're easy going
[08:29] <krazykook> gaten: because it expects fewer parameters
[08:29] <abarbaccia> trygvebw, well, if you ONLY use OOO then you have no problems, but when trying to cross the standard format is a doc file and sometimes there are hangups
[08:29] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, What if a life support system was closed source. Would you use it to stay alive? I certainly would.
[08:29] <gaten> krazykook: and why 'klik' was produced
[08:29] <krazykook> gaten: and doesn't know how to deal with the extra parameters
[08:29] <abarbaccia> now OOO2 got much better - but still a ways to come
[08:29] <Choubaka> Only FOSS people are cool.
[08:29] <trygvebw> abarbaccia: sometimes, only SOMETIMES :|
[08:29] <metalsand> agh: There's no package found for it, where else can I get it?
[08:29] <krazykook> so it is just a mess
[08:30] <gaten> krazykook: yes I agree its messy
[08:30] <Choubaka> that is, if they really live by that principle.
[08:30] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: how does a life support goin to be closed source?
[08:30] <danko123456> zenlunatic: I dont use proprietary software for anything except stuff like mp3 decoding, or whatever, everything else is gpl...
[08:30] <Choubaka> I only know one person who does.
[08:30] <abarbaccia> trygvebw, for a free solution - no doubt its amazing - but if you work with people who use MS then you probably need to use it as well
[08:30] <zenlunatic> danko123456, Okay.
[08:30] <metalsand> agh: Peoeple were talking about alcohol exclusively a week ago for like 3 hours straight, I'd say that's more relevant discusson :P
[08:30] <kestas> I guess you people dont play good games
[08:30] <agh> metalsand: google is your friend. :)
[08:30] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: then a Mozilla or OOo will pop up with a FOSS life supporter
[08:30] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, Because they have computerized ones.
[08:30] <metalsand> agh: So are you, right? :P
[08:30] <gaten> danko123456: and for that you can default to ogg baby cause well its superior <G>
[08:30] <Choubaka> kestas: gish <a33<wa3az3<z3
[08:30] <trygvebw> abarbaccia: no..! As i said, i'm using it at school and we've never had a SINGLE problem exhaning documents between Word and OO!
[08:30] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, Not exactly.
[08:30] <kestas> huh?
[08:31] <Choubaka> kestas: gish
[08:31] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: thats what you said
[08:31] <Choubaka> it is a good game
[08:31] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, Realize there is some software that is not "fun" to write.
[08:31] <kestas> gish?
[08:31] <danko123456> zenlunatic: man, seriously, you are way off topic, what do you mean a life support system, would you use it...who says someone would use a life support system, anyhow...youre tripping.
[08:31] <Choubaka> and there is a linux port. :)
[08:31] <abbot45> is there a DC++ client in the ubuntu repositories?  i cant find one.
[08:31] <kestas> oh riiight yeah but I mean games like unreal tournament 2004
[08:31] <agh> metalsand: sure, but you'll get a better understanding of it from the web pages.
[08:31] <kestas> and doom 4
[08:31] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: but ppl still do for the _community_
[08:31] <kestas> *3
[08:31] <kestas> 3
[08:31] <Choubaka> kestas: haha
[08:31] <danko123456> abbot45: you can get it yes. Do you have universe enabled?
[08:31] <zenlunatic> danko123456, Whatever I'm just trying to smack some sense into a gnu zealot.
[08:31] <kestas> and hybrid_goth: goths are shit eaters
[08:31] <Choubaka> plain FPSs :P
[08:31] <Choubaka> I hate FPSs
[08:31] <zbowling> trygvebw: try passing documents containing tables copied from excel and using images to maintain spacing :-P Open office will freak
[08:31] <abbot45> danko123456, yeah.  whats it called?
[08:31] <danko123456> zenlunatic: man that comment was crack
[08:32] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth, I'm just saying I won't claim to only use FOSS.
[08:32] <trygvebw> zbowling: really, i've done that lots of times
[08:32] <Choubaka> There are so many crappy games.
[08:32] <agh> metalsand: and questions like "what is stateless" tell me that you're going to need a whole lot of background.
[08:32] <zenlunatic> danko123456, So ignore me.
[08:32] <Choubaka> Yet people buy them
[08:32] <kestas> Choubaka, fair enough, I like many a GPL game, I just finished a 3 hour game of freeciv
[08:32] <danko123456> abbot45: do you have a search function in your synaptic?
[08:32] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: well good for you
[08:32] <metalsand> agh: A WHOLE lot
[08:32] <abbot45> danko123456, yep
[08:32] <Choubaka> and don't support the really cool games.
[08:32] <metalsand> agh: Where do I get such background?
[08:32] <danko123456> zenlunatic: why would I ignore someone talking crap?
[08:32] <Choubaka> like gish!
[08:32] <zenlunatic> danko123456, Its your choice.
[08:32] <abarbaccia> trygvebw, well consider yourself lucky because i havn't had as much success
[08:32] <agh> metalsand: well... your local university probably has a CS program... :)
[08:32] <danko123456> abbot45: well, search for name and description, for dc, or direct connect.
[08:32] <goldfish> robaqqq: sorry
[08:32] <goldfish> robaqqq: you there?
[08:33] <trygvebw> abarbaccia: oh well...
[08:33] <trenton> d
[08:33] <metalsand> agh: I'm going to UCI next year, their CS program is top 10 in the nation ;)
[08:33] <abbot45> danko123456, im already doin it.  should have tried that first.  haha.
[08:33] <robaqqq> goldfish yes of course
[08:33] <trenton> hi
[08:33] <zbowling> trygvebw: hehe.. i maintain the mono extensable port to open office.. we try to match microsoft .net's api they have for office.. structurely they are vastly different... abiword handles documents better sometimes :-P
[08:33] <danko123456> zenlunatic: yep, and that is why I will tell you you are takling nonsense on most your sentences, that mean anything...
[08:33] <agh> metalsand: good stuff!
[08:33] <abarbaccia> metalsand, whats UCI stand for?
[08:33] <kestas> metalsand, counter strike?
[08:33] <metalsand> agh: I'm not so sure this "hobby" of mine justifies a college major, though :P
[08:33] <abarbaccia> kestas, computer science more likely
[08:33] <danko123456> abbot45: yeah, but IRC is waycooler, you get to talk to someone:)
[08:33] <kestas> ah
[08:33] <metalsand> Univerity of California, Irvine
[08:33] <kestas> Im doing computer science next year :)
[08:33] <metalsand> University, too.
[08:33] <abarbaccia> metalsand, lots of good tech jobs out there too
[08:34] <danko123456> metalsand: wth the wireless working;)
[08:34] <metalsand> abarbaccia: I've heard the opposite
[08:34] <abbot45> danko123456, im not finding anything.  just a bunch of C++ libraries.
[08:34] <danko123456> just a sec, Ill get you the name:)
[08:34] <agh> metalsand: there are lots of good jobs in most of tech. but the entry positions are junk
[08:34] <abarbaccia> metalsand, no way - southern cali is the breeding grounds for boeing and many other large companies
[08:34] <agh> metalsand: hmm..
[08:34] <metalsand> danko123456: Hey man, I got it working after EVERYONE gave up me. At least give me that I'm determined
[08:34] <agh> metalsand: I'll take a swing at it.
[08:34] <kestas> in which proffessions are there good entry positions?
[08:34] <ivoks> :)
[08:34] <abarbaccia> so true
[08:34] <metalsand> agh: A swing at what? :x
[08:34] <robaqqq> goldfish the problem happened when i activated two of my networks card (but only one used) with DHCP. after rebooting ubuntu freezes, if i skip hotplug none of this cards is recognised
[08:35] <goldfish> oh right
[08:35] <abarbaccia> i just landed an internship with IBM in austin TX - thinking about taking it - good experience
[08:35] <goldfish> hmmm
[08:35] <metalsand> Hi, ivoks
[08:35] <danko123456> metalsand: Ill give you more than that, persistent...
[08:35] <metalsand> abarbaccia: Congrats :)
[08:35] <abarbaccia> thanks!
[08:35] <bratsche> abarbaccia: Congrats..
[08:35] <agh> metalsand: ok... a traditional network scanner, like nmap, sends out packets and then waits for responses.
[08:35] <ivoks> robaqqq it doesn't freezes
[08:35] <ivoks> robaqqq it starts dhclient
[08:35] <metalsand> agh: I understand that much :)
[08:36] <robaqqq> ivoks but that process doesn't take half of an hour, right?
[08:36] <agh> metalsand: the difference between stateless and statefull is that the traditional, statefull ones, remember that they've sent out the packet.
[08:36] <ivoks> robaqqq and then it times out because you aren't on Net
[08:36] <danko123456> abbot45: sudo apt-get install dcgui
[08:36] <danko123456> abbot45: hurry, cause I gotta go.
[08:36] <agh> metalsand: stateless does _not_ keep track of which packets it's sent out.
[08:36] <ivoks> robaqqq no, but it takes 300 seconds per interface... so 10 minutes if you have two interfaces
[08:36] <abbot45> i found it
[08:36] <metalsand> agh: Does that provide security for the user scanning?
[08:37] <danko123456> abbot45: k, that may be it..
[08:37] <agh> metalsand: it provides performance
[08:37] <robaqqq> and if network cable is not attached (right now it's attached to another box, as you see :-))) what happens?
[08:37] <metalsand> agh: I noticed some amazing times when I googled scanrand
[08:37] <ivoks> robaqqq managing networks is poor on ubuntu, next version will have that better
[08:37] <kestas> metalsand, if you recieve no response as opposed to a 'connection refused' it can tell you stuff about the target
[08:37] <gbhat> where do I copy the mplayer codecs I downloaded from the mplayer site?
[08:37] <agh> metalsand: remembering (and listening specifically for) a couple of million responses takes memory and processing power
[08:37] <robaqqq> ivoks and if network cable is not attached (right now it's attached to another box, as you see :-))) what happens?
[08:37] <gbhat> I installed mplayer from multiverse
[08:38] <kestas> gbhat, have you read the README?
[08:38] <ivoks> robaqqq times out... dhclient tries to get IP and fails... it's trying for 300seconds
[08:38] <metalsand> agh: I had no idea it was so intricate, that many processing... I figured the commands of namp would be run in 5ms
[08:38] <metalsand> processes*
[08:38] <agh> metalsand: he he he
[08:38] <ivoks> robaqqq or whatever time you define
[08:38] <agh> metalsand: depends how big a network you're scanning.
[08:38] <metalsand> agh: So, how did you get your background?
[08:38] <ivoks> robaqqq you can just press ctrl c when that happens
[08:38] <agh> metalsand: speaking of which... there are legal issues you really want to be aware of before you play with this gear
[08:39] <robaqqq> and it should boot, right? with network cards recognised so i can run dhclient manually?
[08:39] <danko123456> gbhat: ll give you a pastebin...if you want...and remember if it freezes when playing, change output plugin in options to esd
[08:39] <ivoks> robaqqq or remove auto eth1 and auto eth0 from /etc/network/interfaces
[08:39] <ivoks> robaqqq yes
[08:39] <agh> metalsand: most ISPs prohibit network scanning or security probing in their TOS
[08:39] <gbhat> danko123456, ok
[08:39] <agh> metalsand: some companies, like the one I work for, have IDS systems which _automatically_ alert relevant authorities
[08:39] <danko123456> gbhat: http://pastebin.com/284250
[08:40] <danko123456> Now, it does not describe the apt-get way...a compilation.
[08:40] <ivoks> robaqqq kernel recognises devices, init starts services... when booting kernel ends, all devices are ready for use
[08:40] <robaqqq> ok. i understand now what it should do (but it's not doing it - so maybe it's a bug, i don't think lot of people test ubuntu on machines with two networks cards)
[08:40] <metalsand> agh: Wow, scary.
[08:40] <ivoks> rain! :(
[08:40] <ryman> Ubuntu Rock
[08:40] <danko123456> and, as it says, do not worry if not all exactly codecs from that list are there.
[08:40] <agh> metalsand: I know for a fact that the FBI and RCMP knock on about 4 kids doors every week because they probed our systems
[08:40] <danko123456> anyone interested in compiling MPlayer from source can look at that URL...
[08:40] <agh> metalsand: and those guys lack a sense of humour
[08:40] <ivoks> ryman all linux distros do :)
[08:41] <metalsand> agh: So, I should always hop onto a wireless network of someone else BEFORE I run a scan :P
[08:41] <danko123456> i gotta go to work
[08:41] <agh> metalsand: no, you just shouldn't do it unless it's on a network where you have prior, WRITTEN, permission.
[08:41] <metalsand> agh: I've already dealt with the local authorities (Both a detective and an officer) in my room last week, I'd like to avoid anymore of that
[08:41] <robaqqq> ivocs ok i go to test that "remove auto eth" solution
[08:41] <agh> metalsand: especially in the states. you guys have gone a little nutty the last couple of years.
[08:41] <ivoks> agh scan? they sue you for scaning?
[08:42] <metalsand> agh: Where are you located, agh?
[08:42] <agh> ivoks: nope. don't sue, just scare the shit outa
[08:42] <agh> metalsand: toronto, canada
[08:42] <ivoks> agh then I would sue them :)
[08:42] <ivoks> agh scan is ok
[08:42] <agh> ivoks: you an american?
[08:42] <metalsand> ivoks is croatian :x
[08:42] <ivoks> agh but probing to connect on network isn't
[08:42] <ivoks> agh nope
[08:42] <agh> ivoks: then you probably still have civil rights. :)
[08:43] <hans_> how can i update firefox?
[08:43] <ivoks> agh :))
[08:43] <metalsand> agh: How do I set -i in IRSSI :P
[08:43] <metalsand> I can't see my alias when I type out stuff
[08:43] <agh> metalsand: dunno, never worried about it.
[08:44] <agh> metalsand: if you're really paranoid, then go through tor
[08:44] <metalsand> Hrmmm. I'll consult #irssi
[08:44] <metalsand> TOR?
[08:44] <agh> metalsand: yep
[08:44] <peloverde> I know i'm not supposed to use breezy yet, but when it's time, where can i find a clean breezy sources.list? dpkg-query -S seems to show that no package owns it
[08:44] <agh> metalsand: oh yeah, you asked about my background...
[08:44] <metalsand> Yeah :)
[08:44] <zenlunatic> metalsand, It might be the terminal.
[08:45] <Flav> peloverde: just change hoary to breezy in your sources.list
[08:45] <ivoks> peloverde don't use breezy
[08:45] <ivoks> guys, stay off breezy!!!
[08:45] <krazykook> well..what i think is that they need to clean up this mess....when people add extra parameters to funcions in libraries they need to let other related libs know how to deal with the unexpected additional parameters
[08:45] <Flav> ivoks: notice he said "I know i'm not supposed to use breezy yet"
[08:45] <forsaker8k6> hi people
[08:45] <ivoks> Flav :)
[08:45] <gaten> ivoks: dont think you can..just remove and grab new one...1.0.3 I find to be stable.the rest are grabbag....
[08:45] <agh> metalsand: 4 year BScH CompSci at Queen's U, MSC at Waterloo, 12 years industry experience
[08:45] <ivoks> gaten ?
[08:45] <gaten> ivoks: you asked
[08:46] <ivoks> i asked?
[08:46] <ivoks> what did i ask? :)
[08:46] <gaten> ah crap
[08:46] <metalsand> Oops/
[08:46] <metalsand> I missed it.
[08:46] <Zalgy> hi ppl
[08:46] <gaten> ivoks: sorry wrong 'user'..agh
[08:46] <ivoks> peloverde upgrade to breezy is easy
[08:46] <agh> metalsand: 4 year BScH CompSci at Queen's U, MSC at Waterloo, 12 years industry experience
[08:46] <Zalgy> anyone know how to configure pureftpd under ubuntu?
[08:46] <gaten> hans_: just download new one from the website..1.0.3 seems very stable to me not the others...
[08:46] <ivoks> peloverde just edit ur sources.list and instead of hoary, put breezy
[08:47] <ivoks> peloverde but don't to that anytime soon
[08:47] <hans_> gaten: and how do i uninstall the old version?
[08:47] <forsaker8k6> ivoks, somone tryed to kill me when i was to upgrade to breezy =)
[08:47] <jason^> how do i turn off networking and bring it back up again?
[08:47] <odiousone> shit cops
[08:47] <^thehatsrule^> hm... i still didnt get my cds yet? :/
[08:47] <gaten> hans_: synaptic
[08:47] <ivoks> forsaker8k6 :)
[08:47] <metalsand> agh: Very cool. Just out of curiousity what's your yearly salary? :D
[08:47] <agh> metalsand: 6 figures
[08:48] <gaten> agh: bitch
[08:48] <ivoks> :))
[08:48] <gaten> ;-)
[08:48] <Zalgy> lol
[08:48] <gaten> agh: jk of course...dain dont I only wish
[08:48] <Zalgy> only 6? ;)
[08:48] <metalsand> agh: I want to major in Business. I'm aiming for 7 :D
[08:48] <agh> agh: yeah. but it's only Canadian money. :)
[08:48] <ivoks> 6 figures can be 100.000 and 999.999
[08:48] <gaten> agh: kewl what is it you do..if I may ask.feel free to PM me
[08:48] <ivoks> notice bigger disproportion beetwen 100.000 and 999.999 then 0 and 100.000
[08:48] <agh> I'm currently a senior DBA.
[08:48] <Zalgy> I wish someone here knew where to set up pureftpd ?!?!
[08:49] <gaten> agh: ah kewl
[08:49] <metalsand> Double Major in Business Econmics/CS... Go back to school for a MBA, and then make lots of monies :P
[08:49] <agh> ivoks: in canada, 6 figures means no less than $100,000.00
[08:49] <BigJG> Zalgy:  i have been tryingto get pureftp working but havent had any luck yet
[08:49] <krazykook> Zalgy: well one of them was easy...but one ftpd i never could figure out where the default directory was
[08:49] <krazykook> Zalgy: i think it was proftpd
[08:49] <Zalgy> yeah, it seems to be running, has a pid and everything, but I cant configure it, damn wrapper
[08:49] <Quest-Master> In the terminal, how can I rename all of the first letters of the files in a directory to be lower case?
[08:49] <Zalgy> might as well use vs-ftpd
[08:50] <metalsand> hey ivoks
[08:50] <ivoks> agh 6 figures means no less than 100.000 all around the world man :)
[08:50] <Zalgy> pro sucks ;) despite the name hehe
[08:50] <krazykook> Zalgy: well you know it is sad when the docs don't even tell you where the default directory is
[08:50] <metalsand> you use wlan-ng right?
[08:50] <agh> Zalgy: don't use wsftpd unless you absolutely must.
[08:50] <ivoks> vsftpd
[08:50] <agh> Zalgy: it's a real pain to configure and secure
[08:50] <Zalgy> why?
[08:50] <gaten> how do I edit hal/utopia to make CD insert/eject work without right click icon >eject necessity ???
[08:50] <ivoks> vsftp?!
[08:50] <nuxter> i need help
[08:50] <Zalgy> oh Ill see I guess.
[08:50] <ivoks> vsftpd is easy to configure
[08:50] <BigJG> all of them are a pain so far
[08:50] <nuxter> how to install crossover??
[08:51] <ivoks> edit vsftpd.conf and fire
[08:51] <BigJG> i havent tried vsftp yet
[08:51] <krazykook> Zalgy: but i don't need that stuff anymore...if anybody wants this 2gig hoary i will just skype it
[08:51] <ivoks> i use only vsftpd
[08:51] <nuxter> help
[08:51] <agh> he he he, I like my new server
[08:51] <BigJG> does vsftpd have any sort of support for virtual users?
[08:51] <nuxter> help
[08:52] <metalsand> Does Ubuntu come default with a VNC installed?
[08:52] <agh> nuxter: if anyone can help you, I'm sure they'll respond to your initial question.
[08:52] <nuxter> help
[08:52] <ivoks> BigJG yes
[08:52] <nuxter> how to install crossover
[08:52] <ivoks> BigJG http://vsftpd.beasts.org/#features
[08:52] <BigJG> metalsand: the remote desktop function is based on vnc, under preferences
[08:52] <agh> nuxter: but spamming the channel with "help" is going to have the opposite effect. you'll just annoy people. :)
[08:52] <BigJG> ivoks:  thanks !
[08:53] <ivoks> BigJG don't miss http://vsftpd.beasts.org/#people
[08:53] <thoreauputic> nuxter: I guess that isn't really an Ubuntu question - you would find instructions on the Crossover Website I suppose
[08:53] <metalsand> BigJG: Is it possible for a windows machine to view my Linux box :x
[08:53] <nuxter> herm
[08:54] <ivoks> metalsand sure
[08:54] <ivoks> metalsand sudo apt-get install samba
[08:54] <BigJG> yea go to the system menu, then to preferences, then remote desktop
[08:54] <metalsand> How do I execute the command
[08:54] <metalsand> ivoks: On it
[08:54] <Nalioth> metalsand, yes it is possible
[08:54] <BigJG> you mean files or VNC real time
[08:54] <ivoks> metalsand ah.. that...
[08:54] <metalsand> BigJG: Yes
[08:54] <ivoks> lol
[08:54] <PhantomFreak> Ubuntu Sucks!
[08:54] <Nalioth> metalsand, there are many ways to "view" your windoze box (besides in the garbage, heh heh)
[08:54] <agh> wow, vsftpd looks really good.
[08:55] <George__> Ubuntu doesn't SUCK
[08:55] <ivoks> PhantomFreak yuhu!
[08:55] <BigJG> metalsand: ok yea go to system/preferences/remote desktop
[08:55] <George__> YEAH PhantomFREAK sucks
[08:55] <ivoks> agh best there is
[08:55] <metalsand> BigJG: I did
[08:55] <BigJG> allow other users to view and control and set up a password
[08:55] <agh> don't feed the trolls please
[08:55] <George__> hey where do i have to go to see my machine specs?
[08:55] <metalsand> Already done :)
[08:55] <metalsand> But how would I execute that command on a windows box?
[08:55] <PhantomFreak> I fucking does! I've been trying to install software all day and it never fucking does what I tell it!
[08:55] <BigJG> metalsand: ok vnc should work as long as a firewall isnt blocking
[08:55] <BigJG> oooh
[08:55] <krazykook> i still can't figure out why skype works but gaim doesn't work....does anybody know the outgoing port to gaim
[08:55] <BigJG> metalsand: download tightvnc or realvnc
[08:56] <George__> where do i have to go to see my machine specs?
[08:56] <BigJG> just google it
[08:56] <agh> George__: which ones?
[08:56] <krazykook> nobody knows the outgoing port to gaim
[08:56] <George__> what's in my machine
[08:56] <agh> George__: yeah, but which specs?
[08:56] <ivoks> agh kernel.org has nice comment on vsftpd
[08:56] <George__> motherboard, sound, Cdrom, Network, video,case etc
[08:56] <BigJG> krazykook: I would assume gaim uses the same ports the messenger it represents uses
[08:56] <George__> my hard drives
[08:56] <George__> speakers,
[08:56] <zenrox> krazykook,  it uses the default ports of the diferent proticals it supports
[08:56] <agh> George__: hmmm, try the reciept. :)
[08:56] <George__> nevermind speakers
[08:56] <ivoks> agh May 26, 2004: vsftpd is now serving ftp... We should have done this sooner...
[08:57] <George__> reciept where?
[08:57] <PhantomFreak> I've tried installing F-prot, AVG Free, Avast - Non of them work... Nor do the latest version of Firefox or Open office!
[08:57] <krazykook> krazykook: well which port does it use for this irc channel
[08:57] <agh> George__: the reciept from when you bought the box. ;)
[08:57] <BigJG> just google it
[08:57] <metalsand> ivoks: Is samba pretty newbie-friendly?
[08:57] <George__> i made....
[08:57] <krazykook> krazykook: for outgoing files
[08:57] <agh> George__: ok, there's a couple of places to look.
[08:57] <George__> there's thing in gnome that tells u must of it no?
[08:57] <agh> George__: I don't know the gui way
[08:57] <agh> George__: but if you like text consoles... I'm your man. :)
[08:57] <ivoks> metalsand no
[08:58] <George__> text consoles yeah give me it text way
[08:58] <metalsand> ivoks: awesome :P
[08:58] <ivoks> metalsand but u have nice GUI configurator
[08:58] <ivoks> metalsand for simple sharing
[08:58] <PhantomFreak> Yo lot are no fucking use
[08:58] <ivoks> metalsand System -> administration -> shared folders
[08:58] <agh> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[08:58] <agh> cat /proc/meminfo
[08:59] <sbcl3> will "sudo chmod a-x /etc/init.d/ntpdate" do nothing other than stop ubuntu form looking for the internet server at startup?
[08:59] <agh> cat /proc/io*
[08:59] <agh> George__: get the picture? :)
[08:59] <krazykook> it doesn't make sense why skype works but gaim doesn't...since they both have IM
[08:59] <ivoks> sbcl3 yes :)
[08:59] <agh> sbcl3: that's an interesting approach
[09:00] <zenrox> krazykook,  open one port on your router and tell gaim to use that
[09:00] <George__> k thanks man
[09:00] <George__> so
[09:00] <ivoks> sbcl3 or
[09:00] <George__> cat/proc/sound?
[09:00] <krazykook> zenrox....i don't see an outgoing port to open on gaim
[09:00] <sbcl3> ioks: i just did it :)
[09:00] <agh> sbcl3: the usual way to do that is 'rm /etc/rc*.d/S*ntpdate'
[09:00] <sbcl3> okay...
[09:00] <George__> ahh hellz
[09:00] <sbcl3> do i need to do that now?
[09:00] <zenrox> krazykook,  open any port on your router and tell gaim to use it in the options
[09:01] <sbcl3> (that i did it my other way)
[09:01] <George__> there's a gui way
[09:01] <ivoks> sbcl3 ok :)
[09:01] <agh> sbcl3: nope the other way will work
[09:01] <George__> found
[09:01] <George__> device database
[09:01] <krazykook> zenrox: in the gaim options it doesn't give you outgoing port
[09:01] <zenrox> yes it does
[09:01] <rriche> Hi, not too familiar with sound configuration under linux/ubuntu.. just got a new soundblaster live 24-bit..  how would i go about getting that working now?
[09:01] <krazykook> zenrox: it just says listening port
[09:01] <zenrox> thats all you need
[09:01] <rriche> thought there was some sndsetup command or something.
[09:02] <metalsand> I'm going to take a break from IRC - lunch time, In-N-Out Burger... You're all jealous :D
[09:02] <agh> metalsand: I've heard that place is good
[09:02] <George__> no.
[09:02] <metalsand> Then it's time to head to the beach... Can't beat Orange County.
[09:02] <BigJG> ivoks: do you know where the .conf file for vsftpd is located?
[09:02] <nuxter> HELPPPPP
[09:02] <nuxter> HELPPPPP
[09:02] <nuxter> HELPPPPP
[09:02] <^thehatsrule^> how do you tell if your cd order has been processed?
[09:02] <metalsand> agh: Good is SUCH an understatement :P
[09:03] <agh> nuxter: that's a good way to get added to people's ignore lists...
[09:03] <^thehatsrule^> ive logged in shipit, but i cannot see where to go and check
[09:03] <ivoks> BigJG in /etc
[09:03] <George__> anyone know how u see your machine specs?
[09:03] <agh> gotta go. bye
[09:03] <BigJG> ivoks: thanks again
[09:03] <rriche> anyone?
[09:03] <metalsand`g0ne> See you folks later
[09:03] <ivoks> BigJG all .configs are in /etc man
[09:04] <BigJG> ivoks: I was looking for it located in a directory
[09:04] <nuxter> help
[09:04] <ivoks> ?
[09:05] <ivoks> BigJG sudo apt-get install vsftpd
[09:05] <ivoks> don't tell me you downloaded source?
[09:05] <krazykook> ok i reset the ports in gaim to some usable ones on  my router...is anybody using gaim where i can test this upload stuff
[09:05] <George__> hey, how do i see my system specs in gnome?
[09:06] <George__> need to know what hard ware i have
[09:06] <ivoks> George__ system -> administration -> device manager
[09:06] <George__> thank u
[09:07] <George__> shooot no device manager
[09:07] <George__> fixed thanks
[09:07] <BBurger> related to George__'s question: is there a util to get mobo/CPU/etc temps & such?
[09:07] <rriche> wtf
[09:07] <rriche> alsa .. doesnt support a soundblaster live? gheeey...
[09:07] <goldfish> BBurger: Temperatures?
[09:07] <krazykook> BBurger: yes...sensors-detect
[09:07] <Quest-Master> rriche: Yes, it does
[09:08] <krazykook> is anybody using gaim where i can test this upload stuff
[09:08] <rriche> hrrm
[09:08] <rriche> well.. wtf
[09:09] <Moo> hi
[09:09] <rriche> trying alsaconf.. just installed new soundblaster live 24-bit.. seeded properly.
[09:09] <rriche> said nothing detected.
[09:09] <Moo> What would be the best Mail server setup?
[09:09] <krazykook> hey you mean nobody in this room with 500 people are using gaim
[09:09] <ivoks> rriche restarted?
[09:09] <krazykook> and this is ubuntu
[09:09] <rriche> yes
[09:09] <ivoks> rriche you have to restart kernel... for now, only via rebooting machine
[09:09] <goldfish> krazykook: probably
[09:09] <BBurger> krazykook: syn shows "lm-sensors" for ubuntu - is this what u mean?
[09:09] <rriche> right
[09:09] <ivoks> rriche check your logs
[09:09] <rriche> i turned the puter off to install the card.
[09:09] <ivoks> rriche dmesg | grep alsa
[09:10] <rriche> then rebooted
[09:10] <rriche> k
[09:10] <ivoks> rriche do you have onboard sound?
[09:10] <ivoks> rriche did you disable it?
[09:10] <rriche> yes.. but i disabled it on the bios
[09:10] <sbcl3> does anyone here know how I would go about getting my Turtle Beach Catalina sound card to work in linux?
[09:10] <Moo> What would be the best Mail server setup?
[09:10] <rriche> dmesg | grep alsa says nothing.
[09:10] <sbcl3> I don't know where to look for drivers
[09:10] <ivoks> rriche rriche dmesg | grep ALSA
[09:10] <sbcl3> i'm not even sure they exist
[09:10] <rriche> nadda :(
[09:11] <ivoks> rriche rriche dmesg | grep -A2 ALSA
[09:11] <ivoks> ah, nothing?
[09:11] <ivoks> rriche lspci
[09:11] <BigJG> ivoks: any idea why it says "Could not bind listening IPv4 socket" when i try to start vsftpd?
[09:11] <krazykook> 500 people in ubuntu...all of you have gaim...and not one of you is using it
[09:11] <toran> ok guys, when I try to do "make gconfig" when compiling the kernel, I get the following error message: Unable to find the GTK+ installation. Please make sure that the GTK+ 2.0 development package is correctly installed... You need gtk+-2.0, glib-2.0 and libglade-2.0.
[09:11] <rriche> 0000:02:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS
[09:11] <goldfish> i dont have or use gaim
[09:11] <rriche> hrrm
[09:11] <ivoks> BigJG you allready have a running FTP daemon
[09:11] <toran> what packages should I install?
[09:11] <Flav> dcraven: which version of wordpress are you using? 1.2.2 in hoary?
[09:11] <Moo> Has anyone been able to successfully run an eMail server (POP, imap and SMTP)?
[09:11] <ivoks> rriche modprobe snd-sb
[09:11] <toran> apt-get install gtk doesn't do anything
[09:12] <toran> by the way, I'm on kubuntu
[09:12] <krazykook> Moo: nobody bothers with that anymore...it was only useful for an auction server
[09:12] <zenrox> krazykook,  i use gaim just dont have that prob your having my router supports IPv6 routing
[09:12] <rriche> ivoks: module not found
[09:12] <thoreauputic> toran: any particular reason you are compiling a kernel?
[09:12] <Moo> krazykook: what do you mean?
[09:12] <toran> I need to get rid of DRM support
[09:12] <ivoks> rriche did you check out wiki pages?
[09:12] <sbcl3> where would I put manually installed fonts in /usr/share/fonts/truetype? I want to install the microsoft fonts
[09:12] <krazykook> well if 500 have ubuntu and they all have gaim and nobody is using it.
[09:12] <rriche> not thoroughly
[09:12] <toran> which I believe is keeping me from 3d Direct Rendering Heaven
[09:12] <ivoks> rriche do that
[09:12] <rriche> but you have already helped alot
[09:12] <ivoks> rriche use google
[09:12] <ivoks> rriche go to alsa-project.org
[09:13] <rriche> i dont remember all these commands for checking hardware hehe
[09:13] <krazykook> i need to solve this upload problem
[09:13] <sbcl3> does it go in freefont?
[09:13] <ivoks> rriche manufacturer of your card?
[09:13] <thoreauputic> sbcl3: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[09:14] <sbcl3> where will it place them?
[09:14] <thoreauputic> sbcl3: and the easiest way to make fonts available to a user is to dump them in ~/.fonts
[09:14] <sbcl3> thoreauputic: what if i want all users to have access to them?
[09:14] <thoreauputic> sbcl3: somewhere in /usr/share I expect
[09:15] <rriche> ivoks: creative
[09:15] <ivoks> rriche type?
[09:15] <ivoks> rriche model
[09:15] <sbcl3> thoreauputic: can i just move them after the apt-get?
[09:15] <BigJG> ivoks: I am unable to find any active ftp sessions, is there a way to check?
[09:15] <krazykook> but anyway nobody needs a mail server anymore because everybody wants to use ebay
[09:15] <rriche> SoundBlaster Live 24-bit
[09:15] <thoreauputic> sbcl3: you won't need to
[09:15] <sbcl3> if i want them available to everyone i need to move them to /usr/share/fonts/truetype though
[09:16] <thoreauputic> sbcl3: msttcorefonts will install them appropriately
[09:16] <sbcl3> k...
[09:16] <ivoks> BigJG telnet 127.0.0.1 21
[09:16] <ivoks> BigJG does it connects to service?
[09:16] <sbcl3> thoreauputic: "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:16] <sbcl3> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:16] <sbcl3> "
[09:16] <ivoks> rriche that card is supported
[09:16] <goldfish> sbcl3: do u have synaptic already open?
[09:16] <rriche> hrrm
[09:16] <ivoks> rriche sudo modprobe snd-ca0106
[09:16] <BigJG> ivoks: it said it was connected then disconnected right away
[09:16] <thoreauputic> sbcl3: close synaptic or whatever other instance of apt you have running
[09:17] <ivoks> BigJG then something is running on 21
[09:17] <BigJG> ivoks:  I did a ps -ef | grep ftp and found nothing
[09:17] <sbcl3> it worked
[09:17] <sbcl3> thanks
[09:17] <krazykook> or else they want to use gmail for some strange reason
[09:17] <sbcl3> where did it put them?
[09:17] <BigJG> ivoks:  is there a way to check for programs based on port?
[09:17] <sbcl3> /home/usr/.fonts?
[09:17] <rriche> module not found
[09:17] <ivoks> BigJG netstat
[09:17] <goldfish> nmap
[09:17] <ivoks> BigJG try netstat -ap | less
[09:17] <goldfish> well, no
[09:17] <ivoks> rriche uname -r
[09:17] <rriche> 2.6.10-5-k7
[09:17] <thoreauputic> sbcl3: run ` locate fonts ` to see where all your fonts live ;)
[09:18] <ivoks> rriche hm
[09:18] <sbcl3> ah
[09:18] <sbcl3> thanks
[09:18] <ivoks> rriche cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel
[09:18] <sbcl3> /etc/X11/fonts
[09:18] <thoreauputic> sbcl3: if yo haven't used "locate" before, run ` sudo updatedb`
[09:18] <BigJG> ivoks:  I see an entry that says *:ftp under local address
[09:18] <rriche> yah
[09:18] <rriche> exists
[09:18] <ivoks> rriche now is there sound directory?
[09:18] <truz24> I made a ssh connection in nautilus with ssh://address/  , how can i mount that ssh connection instead ?
[09:18] <rriche> yes sir
[09:19] <ivoks> BigJG at the end is name of app
[09:19] <BigJG> ivoks:  no port or any other relevant info
[09:19] <krazykook> all these ubuntu experts in here and nobody is testing gaim
[09:19] <ivoks> BigJG *.ftp is port 21
[09:19] <thoreauputic> truz24: you don't "mount" ssh
[09:19] <ivoks> rriche and drivers under sound?
[09:19] <brad__> hello, first time here
[09:19] <rriche> quite a few yah
[09:19] <truz24> well, I want to share files with my other computer and would like to use ssh/scp instead of samba
[09:19] <rriche> my ac97 onboard worked fine
[09:19] <thoreauputic> truz24: you can make a bookmark for the connection in nautilus
[09:20] <rriche> but i bought this card for the surround sound capabilities
[09:20] <truz24> well, xmms for instance doesn't let me use the ssh:// path
[09:20] <truz24> so i need to mount it
[09:20] <thoreauputic> truz24: differerent issue - using xmms over ssh is another ball game
[09:20] <airox> Would one execute a game setup with cedega as root ?
[09:20] <truz24> ok
[09:20] <airox> sudo cedega /mnt/cdrom/Setup.exe ?
[09:21] <wizard_31> help!
[09:21] <thoreauputic> truz24: ssh is a protocol, not a file mounting system
[09:21] <ivoks> rriche are you sure there isn't snd-ca0106 module?
[09:21] <brad__> I would like to know if anyone knows how to install Nvidia 6800GT on Ubuntu 64bit edition, with 64-bit drivers? Im new and need detailed instruction please.
[09:21] <rriche> yip
[09:21] <truz24> samba is a protocol too
[09:21] <wizard_31> having problems removing pkg's
[09:21] <thoreauputic> truz24: if you need to mount shares, use samba or nfs
[09:21] <ivoks> rriche cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`
[09:21] <ivoks> rriche find . -name snd-*
[09:21] <truz24> yeah, i figured thats what i'd have to do
[09:21] <Bramme> ubuntu is quite buggy over here... gives a bit the impression of windows 98... constantly crashing progs
[09:21] <Bramme> what do i have to do ?
[09:22] <samil> sdlkfsdf
[09:22] <rriche> yes... many of them
[09:22] <rriche> nothing matching ca though
[09:22] <ivoks> rriche hm
[09:22] <zenlunatic> Does ubuntu use x.org or xfree86?
[09:22] <wizard_31> xorg
[09:23] <ivoks> zenlunatic you can choose
[09:23] <rriche> there is sb-common
[09:23] <brad__> Would this be the place to find out driver questions? or is there a place for newbies to go for help?
[09:23] <rriche> or something
[09:23] <rriche> for isa
[09:23] <rriche> heh
[09:23] <ivoks> rriche go to /boot
[09:23] <rriche> k
[09:24] <rriche> if i apt-get remove alsa and add it back in.. does that replace the library files?
[09:24] <krazykook> 500 ubuntu experts in here and nobody is testing gaim...this is pathetic
[09:24] <rriche> however.. everything is fairly up-to-date too.
[09:24] <zenlunatic> brad__, Its called google.
[09:24] <ivoks> rriche http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Live+24bit.&chip=SB0410%2C+P17&module=ca0106
[09:25] <ivoks> rriche don't do that
[09:25] <ivoks> rriche alsa is in kernel
[09:25] <robaqqq> ivocs hi i did as you asked, but removing auto eth0 from etc/network/interfaces did't help: box is still freezing at hotplug. could you tell me how to add hardware which was not recognised during booting?
[09:25] <John6000> http://80.46.161.96
[09:25] <John6000> my kubuntu webserver
[09:25] <John6000> http://80.46.161.96
[09:25] <John6000> its running now
[09:26] <brad__> I have done various google searches but many are old and say that no 64bit drivers exist.
[09:26] <ivoks> robaqqq hotplug freez?
[09:26] <ivoks> robaqqq don't know then...
[09:26] <robaqqq> ivocs yes
[09:26] <ivoks> robaqqq uname -r
[09:26] <f00f_bug> help please, im getting no sound when trying to use muine
[09:27] <ivoks> f00f_bug plug the speakers :)
[09:27] <f00f_bug> ivoks: har har
[09:27] <Riddell> John6000: dood.  that's just missing a kubuntu brillian button http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/
[09:27] <robaqqq> ivocs what that means?
[09:27] <ivoks> robaqqq version of kernel you are using, just type that in terminal
[09:27] <rriche> ivoks: gotcha.. hrrm.. so i have to recompile alsa using that --configure?  so apt-get install alsa-source or whatever.. and follow these instructions?
[09:27] <brad__> If anyone is running 64bit Ubuntu and has a Nvidia card, please send me a message as to how you got the 64-bit drivers. Thank you
[09:27] <ivoks> rriche they mention CVS there
[09:28] <rriche> yes.
[09:28] <ivoks> rriche i really wouldn't know
[09:28] <ivoks> rriche but, if you want to catch ubuntu source, do apt-get install alsa-source
[09:28] <robaqqq> ivocs 2.6.10-5-386
[09:29] <ivoks> robaqqq hm, then i don't know...
[09:29] <robaqqq> ivocs ok...
[09:31] <robaqqq> do you know how to add network card on a box running ubuntu warty (no console, if possible). i have to skip hotplug during booting in order to get to the system - and after that my system doesn't see any network card
[09:31] <ivoks> bye all
[09:31] <BigJG> ivoks:  thanks for all your help!
[09:31] <ivoks> robaqqq hm...
[09:31] <ivoks> robaqqq it seams that hotplug is haled because of your network card
[09:32] <ivoks> robaqqq what network cards do you have?
[09:32] <Bramme> i have the main and the universal repo's in my sources.list, but they don't contain mplayer?
[09:32] <toran> hey guys, how would I go about changing my screen resolution?
[09:32] <krazykook> you people are pathetic and have lost the experimental spirit
[09:32] <thoreauputic> Bramme: you need multiverse as well
[09:33] <toran> hmm... where would I add multiverse to?
[09:33] <toran> which lines, that is
[09:33] <thoreauputic> Bramme: just add the word  multiverse on each universe line
[09:33] <Bramme> alright
[09:33] <Bramme> thx
[09:33] <robaqqq> ivocs some standard ones. i don't think that matters - both  were working properly _before_ i activated hdcp
[09:33] <ivoks> dhcp?
[09:33] <stevegula> doing the ubuntu install and resizing an ntfs partition fscked everything it seems, anyone have recommendations on how to attempt to restore the ntfs partition?
[09:33] <ivoks> dhcp
[09:34] <toran> /anyway/, how would I go about changing my screen resolution?
[09:34] <ivoks> robaqqq  grep ^auto /etc/network/interfaces
[09:34] <toran> I just installed the xorg-drivers-fglrx, and I can't seem to find a way to get my resolution where I want it
[09:34] <ivoks> toran /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:35] <toran> I looked there, there really isn't a setting that says "Set it to this"
[09:35] <toran> it just has different modes you can allow
[09:35] <ivoks> toran lol
[09:35] <robaqqq> ivocs i checked that, but this is on the other box and i cannot copy/paste that long names
[09:35] <toran> and I have the resolution I want allowed, I just don't know where to set it to
[09:35] <toran> that
[09:35] <ivoks> robaqqq and.. what it says?
[09:35] <ivoks> robaqqq it should be only auto lo
[09:35] <robaqqq> one is 3com 3c905c-tx
[09:36] <robaqqq> ivocs one is 3com 3c905c-tx
[09:36] <toran> SubSection "Display"
[09:36] <toran>                 Depth           24
[09:36] <toran>                 Modes           "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480" "319x1024"
[09:36] <ivoks> robaqqq  grep ^auto /etc/network/interfaces
[09:36] <rriche> ivoks: i think it's becoming a kernel issue
[09:36] <rriche> checking for which soundcards to compile driver for... configure: error: Unsupported soundcard ca0106
[09:36] <toran> see what I mean? where do I select the resolution I want?
[09:36] <ivoks> rriche snd-ca0106
[09:36] <ivoks> toran in that line
[09:36] <robaqqq> the other one is realtek  rt8139
[09:37] <ivoks> robaqqq  grep ^auto /etc/network/interfaces
[09:37] <rriche> checking for which soundcards to compile driver for... configure: error: Unknown soundcard snd-ca0106
[09:37] <toran> ivoks, so, just take out the ones I don't want and leave the resolution I want it at?
[09:37] <queuetue> Thelatest cedega says that random crashes (which I am encountering) may be resolved by running a 2.6.8 kernel ... But the 2.6.8 kernel installed by ubuntu does not work with the nvidia drivers.  How shoudl I fix this?
[09:37] <ivoks> robaqqq type that on that computer
[09:37] <ivoks> toran yes. simple, isn't it?
[09:37] <toran> ^_^
[09:37] <toran> so, why are there so many in there by default?
[09:38] <ivoks> toran i'm wrong person for that question
[09:38] <robaqqq> ivocs how to produce that funny character between grep and auto?
[09:38] <nakata> yay
[09:38] <toran> well, let's see if it works now ^_^
[09:38] <ivoks> robaqqq shift 6
[09:38] <krazykook> where in the hell did all of you leave your pioneering and experimental spirit
[09:38] <robaqqq> ivocs just a minute
[09:38] <ivoks> :)
[09:39] <Juhaz> depends on keyboard layout...
[09:39] <krazykook> what if Daniel Boone lost his pioneering spirit
[09:39] <Flav> krazykook: back with the gentoo install i abandoned in favor of ubuntu :P
[09:39] <HappyFool> krazykook: traded it in for a bottle of whiskey
[09:39] <nakata> new ubuntu laptop
[09:39] <krazykook> well i am going back to gentoo when i get a larger hard drive...but for now i am testing this ubuntu
[09:40] <zenlunatic> Anyone using mpg321 to stream files?
[09:40] <BigJG> krazykook: is gentoo hard to install?
[09:40] <krazykook> BigJG: well it takes a few days from stage1
[09:41] <krazykook> BigJG: it is not a 1 hour thing like ubuntu
[09:41] <robaqqq> ivocs it's says me that such a file doesn't exist
[09:41] <BigJG> krazykook: you compile it from ground up right?
[09:41] <zenlunatic> BigJG, Yeah its pointless.
[09:41] <ivoks> BigJG gentoo is easy to install if you follow handbook
[09:41] <ivoks> BigJG but
[09:41] <Choubaka> 1 hour?
[09:41] <krazykook> BigJG: well exept for some basic executables like binutils
[09:41] <ivoks> BigJG gentoo is really overhead... toy for teenagers
[09:41] <Choubaka> I bet can install Ubuntu within 15 minutes >:)
[09:41] <krazykook> BigJG: but then you can even recompile them
[09:42] <rriche> ivoks: going to try updating to -11 kernel
[09:42] <gaten> what do I edit to make CD insert/eject work without right click icon >eject necessity ???
[09:42] <ivoks> rriche hm..
[09:42] <queuetue> Thelatest cedega says that random crashes (which I am encountering) may be resolved by running a 2.6.8 kernel ... But the 2.6.8 kernel installed by ubuntu does not work with the nvidia drivers.  How shoudl I fix this?
[09:42] <ivoks> rriche i don't like that kernel
[09:42] <krazykook> yes well...so what...gentoo is where all the action is
[09:42] <BigJG> so what is the point? does it run leaner when its compiled?
[09:42] <rriche> or i could possibly use one of my earlier versons.
[09:42] <ivoks> rriche wait a sec
[09:42] <zenlunatic> BigJG, No.
[09:42] <rriche> versions.
[09:42] <BigJG> How are new packages installed? from tarball?
[09:42] <zenlunatic> BigJG, At most you'll get 10% improvement.
[09:43] <stevegula> hey peoples, when using fdisk to create an ntfs partition, what partition code do you recommend (7 - HPFS/NTFS, or 86 NTFS volume set ) ?
[09:43] <zenlunatic> BigJG, Thing is the gentoo folks don't actually provide benchmarks, they all just say everything runs faster.
[09:43] <robaqqq> ivocs hell, it checked my user  directory only. how to get into main tree?
[09:43] <ivoks> rriche 2.6.12 has support for that card
[09:43] <rriche> hrrm.. i didnt see 2.6.12 in my list.
[09:43] <ivoks> rriche i know :)
[09:43] <BigJG> zenlunatic: so is everything installed from CVS or are the ports similar to .deb files
[09:44] <ivoks> rriche try with .11
[09:44] <zenlunatic> BigJG, Its all source files.
[09:44] <toran> hmm... I took out all the other resolutions, and it still is at 640x480
[09:44] <ivoks> robaqqq ?
[09:44] <robaqqq> ivocs yes
[09:44] <toran> even after restarting the X server, and all
[09:44] <BigJG> zenlunatic: Yea, I think I am pretty happy with debian
[09:44] <ivoks> robaqqq grep ^auto /etc/network/interfaces
[09:44] <robaqqq> ivocs how to get into main tree?
[09:44] <rriche> ivoks: hehe. k.. thx
[09:44] <ivoks> robaqqq you don't have to
[09:44] <ivoks> robaqqq grep ^auto /etc/network/interfaces
[09:44] <zenlunatic> BigJG, I'm running ubuntu but I might switch to unstable.
[09:44] <rriche> i will dare not give up on it.. linux is too sweet and my games play better than in windows :)
[09:44] <zenlunatic> BigJG, Same thing really.
[09:45] <rriche> reboot
[09:45] <BigJG> zenlunatic: Actually I meant Ubuntu, debian based
[09:45] <ivoks> robaqqq grep[space] ^auto[space] /etc/network/interfaces
[09:45] <robaqqq> right now its root@foobox/:home/user
[09:45] <zenlunatic> BigJG, LIke I said same thing.
[09:45] <Gnobody> what benefit is there to running Sid over Hoary?
[09:45] <ivoks> robaqqq that's not important
[09:45] <Gnobody> Hoary is pretty new
[09:45] <zenlunatic> BigJG, I'm actually looking into netbsd myself.
[09:45] <Gnobody> and has Xorg over sid atm
[09:45] <BigJG> zenlunatic: is that also port based?
[09:45] <robaqqq> ivocs it says me that there is no such a file or directory
[09:45] <ivoks> robaqqq check your spelling
[09:45] <robaqqq> checked twice - all spaces and ltters are in place
[09:46] <zenlunatic> BigJG, Yes it has ports but its not all optimized like gentoo is.
[09:46] <ivoks> robaqqq that file egzist. 578%
[09:46] <BigJG> zenlunatic: I am excited to see how how Novell's EDirectory integrates into linux
[09:46] <BigJG> zenlunatic: so what benefits do you see from netbsd
[09:46] <toran> someone look at my xorg.conf and tell me what to do to make it change to 1600x1200 resolution?
[09:46] <toran> http://pastebin.ca/11744
[09:47] <ivoks> i'm tierd...
[09:47] <krazykook> its funny....those technicians look at gentoo....and say i can't install this crap...hand me the windows cd
[09:48] <ivoks> krazykook gentoo is shit.
[09:48] <zenlunatic> BigJG, Netbsd has a very clean codebase. They use basically the same code for all there architectures.
[09:48] <ivoks> :)
[09:48] <nakata> gentoo is cool
[09:48] <robaqqq> ivocs says "auto lo"
[09:48] <ivoks> mah..
[09:48] <nakata> if you know how to use it
[09:48] <goofrider> Gentoo = Linux From Sratch for Dummies
[09:48] <Gnobody> Gentoo is for people with too much time on their hands
[09:48] <ivoks> robaqqq ok....
[09:48] <zenlunatic> Gentoo is pointless.
[09:48] <nakata> and need it
[09:48] <BigJG> zenlunatic: Is it Unix?
[09:48] <goofrider> Linux From Scratch for Dummies
[09:48] <nakata> goofrider: yeah, lfs is sweet too
[09:48] <nakata> i don't use either, mind you...
[09:48] <zenlunatic> BigJG, Nope its BSD. Unix is a licensed trademark.
[09:48] <queuetue> The latest cedega says that random crashes (which I am encountering) may be resolved by running a 2.6.8 kernel ... But the 2.6.8 kernel installed by ubuntu does not work with the nvidia drivers.  How shoudl I fix this?
[09:48] <krazykook> goofrider: well you are right about that
[09:48] <zenlunatic> BigJG, Its unix-like just as linux is.
[09:48] <nakata> would you believe: Linux From Scratch for Impatient People
[09:48] <slx_home> instead of working on ubuntu breeze ubuntu team should put energy in to sarge and help it get released
[09:48] <zxc> anyone know how to switch profiles in firefox?
[09:48] <toran> anyone know how to change the screen resolution?
[09:48] <krazykook> goofrider: the really smart people are in linux from scratch
[09:48] <robaqqq> ivocs you were right, it exists , i misspelled /ect/
[09:48] <BigJG> zenlunatic: ahh ok, all these different platforms confuse me
[09:49] <ivoks> nakata that's gentoo :)
[09:49] <ivoks> robaqqq ok
[09:49] <goofrider> I always say.. Gentoo only make u FEEL like you're building the perfect Linux install for yourself
[09:49] <toran> zxc, if I remember correctly they sorta took that support out, and you need an extension to do it
[09:49] <BigJG> goofrider:  lol
[09:49] <ivoks> gentoo is LFS for dummies
[09:49] <krazykook> but there is a lot more action on gentoo...there is about 20 packages a day coming in on gentoo to keep you busy
[09:49] <nakata> ivoks: yeah that's what i said
[09:49] <goofrider> that's what **I*** said
[09:49] <zenlunatic> BigJG, Really netbsd only supports one more processor than debian, they just support more architectures.
[09:49] <BigJG> Hey, I have been wondering, whats the difference/benefits between ext3 and Reiser?
[09:49] <ivoks> no, IIII said that :)
[09:49] <goofrider> (tm)
[09:50] <ivoks> (c)
[09:50] <ivoks> (R)
[09:50] <scott> toran: system > preferences > screen resolution
[09:50] <BigJG> zenlunatic: architectures as in computer hardware?
[09:50] <zenlunatic> BigJG, Supporting all that is what makes debian and netbsd have slow release cycles. Gentoo has a lot of support too.
[09:50] <goofrider> I'll ligitate your ass into five fruity shapes
[09:50] <nakata> "he probably spelled library with one 'r' again, poor bastard..."
[09:50] <ivoks> robaqqq you will have to ask someone else
[09:50] <ivoks> robaqqq i'm tierd and going to bed
[09:50] <robaqqq> ivoks pity...
[09:50] <zenlunatic> BigJG, Yes. I'm really not sure how it all works out but I did read that they only support one more processor than debian.
[09:50] <scott> BigJG: I think reiser is faster on extended attributes with lots of small files
[09:51] <toran> scott, I'm on kubuntu, I don't see a submenu "preferences" under system
[09:51] <robaqqq> ivocs say hello to beatifull croatia
[09:51] <scott> toran, oh, might try k#kubuntu, most of us use gnome
[09:51] <ivoks> :)
[09:51] <BigJG> zenlunatic: Interesting
[09:51] <goofrider> toran, System-> Control Center
[09:51] <BigJG> scott: thanks
[09:51] <robaqqq> ivocs from me :-)
[09:51] <ivoks> robaqqq zravo polska!
[09:51] <ivoks> zdravo
[09:51] <Gnobody> is it possible to convert a drive from ext3 to Reiser4 without losing data and get it to work with Grub?
[09:51] <robaqqq> ivocs :-))))))
[09:51] <ivoks> Gnobody no
[09:51] <Pete-051> hi folk
[09:52] <Gnobody> damn
[09:52] <ivoks> Gnobody you don't want that
[09:52] <klaas> hi all, i'm trying to install flash, but it gives me errors, when i try to copy the files to the plugin directory, it says i don't have the rights
[09:52] <zenlunatic> BigJG, Open and Net both seemed overhyped as far as security and platform support goes, respectively.
[09:52] <ivoks> not reiser :)
[09:52] <Gnobody> why?
[09:52] <robaqqq> ivoks i have heard that you have great creative commons team - do you know that initiative?
[09:52] <ivoks> couse your data will live for month or two
[09:52] <goofrider> Gnobody, well, u can shrink the ext3, create the resier4,  cp the data, del ext3, then grow r4
[09:52] <zxc> toran, thanks I'll look for it
[09:52] <BigJG> Well apparently my system thinks that an ftp server is running on port 21 without my only installed server running, is there anyway i can reset the running program without restarting the computer?
[09:52] <nakata> god i hope this works
[09:52] <Gnobody> yeah I thought of that thanks goo
[09:52] <nakata> ubuntu + xfs
[09:52] <ivoks> robaqqq ?
[09:52] <ivoks> nakata it does
[09:53] <nakata> ivoks: that gives me a thicky
[09:53] <goofrider> Gnobody, use reiserfs3 though. Reiserfs4 is still pretty new
[09:53] <BigJG> nakata:  lol
[09:53] <BigJG> what is xfs
[09:53] <goofrider> nakata, why XFS?
[09:53] <nakata> because it rocks
[09:53] <truz24> i tried mounting a reiser4 partition and it wasn't happening
[09:53] <goofrider> nakata, just wondering why u picked it. Not a flame or anything
[09:53] <nakata> it's the fastest linear FS for linux
[09:53] <truz24> mount said it didn't know what it was
[09:53] <nakata> fastest journalling
[09:53] <nakata> 64-bit namespaces and inode pathing
[09:53] <toran> "your X server does not support rotating & resizing of screen. Please update to version 4.3 or greater. You need X Rotat and Resize extension version 1.1 or greater to use this feature
[09:53] <nakata> allowing for ummm 18 exabyte files or something
[09:54] <aeho> Does someone know, why sounds don't work in equake in my comp?
[09:54] <BigJG> nice!
[09:54] <nakata> and extended file attributes
[09:54] <goofrider> i mean how does it compare to reiser?
[09:54] <robaqqq> ivoks check this: http://creativecommons.org/worldwide/hr/
[09:54] <nakata> httpd hit-counter ON THE FILE ATTRIBUTE ITSELF
[09:54] <nakata> that's amazing.
[09:54] <nakata> well it's better in every way
[09:54] <BigJG> does the basic ubuntu install support xfs?
[09:54] <Gnobody> yes
[09:54] <nakata> BigJG: apparently
[09:54] <Gnobody> BigJG
[09:54] <jinxi> how do I install the http server and play .avi file?
[09:54] <goofrider> oh I remember why I passed up XFS
[09:54] <nakata> i'm installing on it now, as a matter o' fact
[09:54] <truz24> how do you get mount to mount reiser4?
[09:54] <goofrider> XFS is not shrinkable
[09:54] <nakata> ...
[09:54] <Flav> ugh - ffmpeg needs splitting, i can't believe i need X libs for encoding to mpeg4 :)
[09:54] <nakata> so what?
[09:54] <nakata> well i suppose you have your reasons
[09:55] <goofrider> nakata, I use LVM, I grow and shrink my FS al the time
[09:55] <nakata> yeah that's a good point
[09:55] <Gnobody> do you have benchmarks nakata?
[09:55] <goofrider> nakata, we all have different priorities  :)
[09:55] <nakata> Gnobody: no idea, i've never used xfs before
[09:55] <nakata> only ext3, reiser3, and afs
[09:55] <Gnobody> I thought XFS was an older FS
[09:55] <nakata> Gnobody: it's the Irix official
[09:55] <nakata> afaik
[09:55] <nakata> probably wrong
[09:55] <goofrider> Gnobody, XFS was the journaling file system by SGI for IRIS
[09:56] <goofrider> Gnobody, but they ported it to Linux and open sourced it in 1999 or so
[09:56] <nakata> http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/index.html
[09:56] <nakata> there's some info on it
[09:56] <Greens> I am having trouble with a network attached HP Laserjet 4 Plus. Every time I send a print test to it, it requests A4 paper, though I have the printer set for US-Letter. I can print fine from an iMac on the network. Any ideas?
[09:56] <klaas> hi all, i'm trying to install flash, but it gives me errors, when i try to copy the files to the plugin directory, it says i don't have the rights
[09:56] <krazykook> well as far as i know xfs is the only 64bit
[09:56] <scott> you know what I don't understand?  tons of people use sage but no one has come up with a better css than the default
[09:56] <goofrider> Gnobody, if u wanna talk about old, JFS from IBM is older
[09:56] <krazykook> other than ntfs
[09:56] <nakata> krazykook: sad isn't it?
[09:56] <nakata> afs is 64bit
[09:56] <krazykook> but with all the compression stuff i don't know if 64bit is necessary anymore
[09:56] <nakata> but it's atheos and syllable only
[09:56] <nakata> oh, and befs
[09:56] <nakata> that's 64bit
[09:57] <nakata> it's easier than the ext3 >2GB hack
[09:57] <krazykook> befs? does it have a defragger and is it gnu
[09:57] <fr500> hi
[09:57] <fr500> is there a way to put a delay in a shell script, i'm doing a routing script (for balancing load between 2 isp connections), but if i run it all at once it throws errors, i need a delay between commands
[09:57] <nakata> befs HAS a driver in linux, but it's the beos fs
[09:57] <goofrider> krazykook, compression doesn't change the fact that hard space density will still keep growing
[09:57] <nakata> i doubt you can use it as a root filesystem
[09:57] <krazykook> oh...the beos stuff...well that is commercial
[09:57] <BigJG> fr500 sleep i believe can be used in scripts if its in linux
[09:58] <robaqqq> ok, again: anybody to help me with my network card and crappy hotplug subsystem which freezes during boot? anybody knows how to add my network card to "networking" panel (system see this device on the bus, but networking panel not - i skipped hotplug module during boot)
[09:58] <nakata> not so much anymore
[09:58] <nakata> most of it has become open source
[09:58] <goofrider> krazykook, what do u expect? ask ppl to partition there 10GB drive into 2GB chunks like we used to?
[09:58] <fr500> BigJG, thanks gonna try
[09:58] <thoreauputic> fr500: man sleep
[09:58] <klaas> found the anser
[09:58] <klaas> was installing wrong
[09:58] <goofrider> BigJG, no none of BeOS became open ousrce
[09:58] <krazykook> goofrider: well not really i don't like the 2gig splits myself.
[09:59] <BigJG> goofrider: eh?
[09:59] <krazykook> goofrider: but reiser and ext3 don't seem to have much problem with larger spaces
[09:59] <krazykook> goofrider: except for the directory limits
[09:59] <goofrider> BigJG, Palm bought the IP and the dev team. But Palm never freed BeOS codebase
[09:59] <goofrider> AFAIK
[09:59] <BigJG> goofrider: i think u mean krazykook, this is all over my head yet lol
[09:59] <fr500> that made it thanks a lot
[09:59] <aru> if I have an NTFS formatted USB drive, will ubuntu allow me to view it without a lot of configuration?
[09:59] <goofrider> oh sorry
[09:59] <BigJG> fr500: np
[10:00] <fr500> linux rocks
[10:00] <goofrider> anyways, BeFS is neat. It uses MIME types built-in (as metadata)
[10:00] <krazykook> aru: nobody in here cares about your NTFS or any of your other commercial stuff
[10:00] <aru> much appriciated
[10:00] <goofrider> krazykook, hey
[10:00] <HappyFool> aru: you'll probably be able to read it
[10:00] <HappyFool> aru: but not write to it
[10:00] <yahalom> goofrider: u should be able to view it, not write.
[10:00] <goofrider> aru, u just need to install  ntfsprogs
[10:00] <BigJG> fr500: I love it! that sounds like a really cool script, what kind of wan links?
[10:01] <goofrider> yahalom, u meant aru.
[10:01] <krazykook> goofrider: if it is really a big deal...go to kernel.org and get the latest ntfstools for your kernel
[10:01] <jinxi> does Ubuntu do auto mount and umount cdrom's?
[10:01] <BigJG> jinxi: mine does
[10:01] <krazykook> goofrider: but nobody in here gives a damn about commercial stuff
[10:01] <BigJG> krazykook: well put!
[10:01] <BigJG> down with the man!
[10:01] <truz24> Does totem play dvds ?
[10:01] <Flav> krazykook: since when do you get to speak for everyone here?
[10:01] <HappyFool> krazykook: you speak for all us then?
[10:01] <jinxi> BigJG, by default?
[10:01] <goofrider> krazykook, aru asked the question not me. And don't tell newbie to get a pristine kernel from kernel.org
[10:02] <fr500> i have 256kbps thru my isp, 3 more friends have the same, we linked our places with 802.11g links, and we share internet, but i had to do everything manually prior to now
[10:02] <jinxi> BigJG, does it umount it too when u pres on the eject button?
[10:02] <fr500> now i balance load between my link and theirs
[10:02] <BigJG> jinxi: yes, mine was I didnt have to edit a thing
[10:02] <goofrider> krazykook, we're here to help, not judge
[10:02] <krazykook> goofrider: it is not me...it is the obvious fact that all these 500 people are running non-commercial stuff
[10:02] <aru> well, maybe once I get ubuntu installed I can copy my data over from the ntfs drive and reformat it, one step at a time asshole
[10:02] <truz24> Does totem play dvds ?
[10:02] <BigJG> jinxi: I have to right click on the icon and select eject
[10:02] <Cybermagellan> krazykook, if I am correct he asked if Ubuntu would handle it....seeing some of us have to work with Windows....I can understand where he is comming from
[10:02] <ivoks> aru you'll never do that
[10:02] <Flav> krazykook: so none of these 500 are running any commercial software at all?  that's your claim?
[10:02] <goofrider> krazykook, you can take that attitude the #Deiban or #Gentoo
[10:02] <BigJG> fr500: wow thats awesome
[10:03] <Cybermagellan> maybe he needs to bring the drive between two computers
[10:03] <nakata> goofrider: yeah, xfs attributes can store mime info
[10:03] <goofrider> krazykook, but that
[10:03] <nakata> that's how Syllable does it
[10:03] <goofrider> s not how we work around here
[10:03] <krazykook> krazykook: well look at the facts...these people are not even using gaim...they must be using xchat on ubuntu
[10:03] <fr500> yes it rocks, the antennas were like $60 bucks and the access point like $30
[10:03] <goofrider> nakata, that's kewl
[10:03] <BigJG> fr500: were the scripts very complex to set up?
[10:03] <nakata> goofrider: yeah, lhttpd2 uses attributes for ACLs, hit counters, mime types, language settings, cgi flags, interpreter settings, custom config args, and possibly as 'as-is' headers for specific files
[10:04] <fr500> not at all, it's rather easy
[10:04] <BigJG> fr500: I have yet to get into scripting for linux
[10:04] <nakata> they're pretty hot, attributes i mean
[10:04] <fr500> BigJG, the scripts only run the commands i used to run manually each time
[10:04] <goofrider> nakata, that's super
[10:04] <nakata> 'thooper'
[10:04] <BigJG> fr500:  ahh gotcha
[10:04] <Sprflyzapp> i need help with ubuntu....
[10:04] <Echylo> we all do
[10:04] <nakata> That's juth't thoooo thooper!
[10:04] <goofrider> nakata, NTFS had extended attributes for  decade, just no apps ever uses them
[10:04] <PoTs> how do i install new packages with ubuntu? with apt-get?
[10:05] <Sprflyzapp> lol
[10:05] <nakata> goofrider: same with afs
[10:05] <nakata> it's a real sad story
[10:05] <HappyFool> Pots: try synaptic
[10:05] <nakata> developers are soooo slow to adapt
[10:05] <goofrider> PoTs, apt-get or synaptic (GUI)
[10:05] <BigJG> anyone know how to reset a init or something without restarting my comp? my computer thinks there is an ftp server when there isnt
[10:05] <HappyFool> Pots: it's a little easier to use
[10:05] <nakata> directx has native integrated ipv6 support, no software modification required, since i think dx8
[10:05] <nakata> and yet they seem to go out of their way to remove support (or otherwise not make an attempt to allow it) in most games
[10:05] <HappyFool> BigJG: that sounds very strange
[10:06] <PoTs> I'd like to install and test multisync? But apt-cache search multisync doesn't find it. Is multisync not in the collection?
[10:06] <PoTs> goofrider: I'll try it.  Thanks.
[10:06] <nakata> whats multisync
[10:06] <Sprflyzapp> is it hard to install ubuntu for dual booting purposes???????
[10:06] <goofrider> nakata, well maybe their libraries doesn't support IPv6 so it doesn't help if DX8 does
[10:06] <BigJG> HappyFool: yes I am thoroughly confused, I try to start my vsftpd server and it says it cant bind port 21, i dont have any other ftp server isntalled although i did uninstall one when i installed  vsftpd, That server may have been running when I uninstalled it so i wasnt sure if that was the cause
[10:06] <HappyFool> PotS: it's in universe
[10:06] <juser> Sprflyzapp, amazing easy
[10:06] <ivoks> bye
[10:06] <nakata> right... i meant if they use dx8+ for networking
[10:07] <HappyFool> PoTs: you need to add universe to your repository list
[10:07] <HappyFool> BigJG: are you super-user ?
[10:07] <juser> Sprflyzapp, the Ubuntu setup will even resize an NTFS partition so make room for new partitions
[10:07] <asds> Bonjour
[10:07] <goofrider> nakata, and they can be commericial libraries or engines that they licensed from other game devs, so they can really implement I{v^ even if they wanted to
[10:07] <HappyFool> BigJG: i.e., 'sudo /etc/init.d/vsftpd start'
[10:07] <BigJG> HappyFool: I did sudo when I attempt to run the server
[10:07] <HappyFool> BigJG: hrm
[10:07] <nakata> still makes them swatting gits...
[10:07] <HappyFool> BigJG: do a 'nestat -ant', and look for port 21
[10:07] <goofrider> nakata, and US/Canada really doesn't give a shit about IPv6 because we got all the Class A subnets
[10:08] <nakata> 'lets buy a license for this obsolete library'
[10:08] <nakata> smart.
[10:08] <Sprflyzapp> do u need to parrtiton ur hard drive or will it automatically do it because i suck at partitioning.....
[10:08] <nakata> who cares about usa/canada
[10:08] <Gabarus> Heya. Just downloaded the Ubuntu dist, Im wondering if its possible to do a network install from boot diskettes? (CD drive in the system Im installing on is dead) Anyone know if thats possible?
[10:08] <nakata> they != earth
[10:08] <BigJG> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:21              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
[10:08] <BigJG> HappyFool: tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:21              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
[10:08] <HappyFool> BigJG: so you have an ftp server running
[10:08] <juser> goofrider, pretty sure we still don't have enough IP's, and when VoIP kicks in, Ipv6 will come in handy
[10:08] <BigJG> It appears to be
[10:09] <HappyFool> BigJG: try netstat -antp to see what's running on port 21
[10:09] <goofrider> nakata, I;m saying we got all the IPv4 address. We'll probably not running out of IPv4 address for another 10 years
[10:09] <HappyFool> the process will appear on the right
[10:09] <sbcl3> does Ubuntu come with a calendar?
[10:09] <yahalom> how do i change my kernel from k7 to 686?
[10:09] <Sprflyzapp> does ubuntu partition ur hardrive 4 u?????????
[10:09] <Carlfk> goofrider, you arn't too good at math are you? ;)
[10:09] <nakata> goofrider: when did quake come out
[10:09] <JaneW> sbcl: yes in evolution
[10:09] <HappyFool> sbcl3: well, you can just click on the clock for a simple calendar
[10:09] <BigJG> HappyFool: tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:21              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     -
[10:09] <Carlfk> Sprflyzapp, yes
[10:09] <HappyFool> sbcl3: for more advanced stuff, look at evolution
[10:09] <BigJG> HappyFool: It is acting really wierd
[10:09] <sbcl3> alright
[10:10] <Sprflyzapp> great \
[10:10] <HappyFool> BigJG: erm. try 'sudo netstat -antp'
[10:10] <mpm> how long has ubuntu offered a DVD install?
[10:10] <Gabarus> Any takers on my question? o_o
[10:10] <Carlfk> Sprflyzapp, do you currently have just one big C: ?
[10:10] <goofrider> Carlfk, I was only speaking figureatively. If u have facts to correct me, go ahead. I don't claim my #s are facts
[10:10] <krazykook> mpm: well i have it here but uh...nothing to install it on
[10:10] <Sprflyzapp> yes
[10:10] <krazykook> mpm: you can have it if you want it
[10:10] <nakata> it's really reasoning
[10:10] <goofrider> nakata, I don't play PC games
[10:10] <krazykook> mpm: i don't care
[10:10] <nakata> it's not fact, you can't state we have exactly enough for 10 years
[10:11] <nakata> or that the software will not be in use then
[10:11] <HappyFool> Gabarus: not sure. have you looked on the wiki?
[10:11] <goofrider> nakata, i didn't say "exactly" i said "probably"
[10:11] <BigJG> HappyFool: OK now its showing as vsftpd, and for one reason or another I can now login to my ftp, thanks!
[10:11] <nakata> right
[10:11] <yahalom> how do i search for kernels in apt?
[10:11] <nakata> which isn't a fact...
[10:11] <goofrider> which means it's pure baseless speculation
[10:11] <Carlfk> Sprflyzapp, when you get to the step, you select the partition (what isnow c:) and change the size to soemthing smaller.
[10:11] <nakata> hehe alright :)
[10:11] <krazykook> nakata: well the Brazilians say the software will be in use and that the future is free
[10:11] <mpm> and what extras does the dvd have that the cd doesn't?  I'm considering a fresh reinstall because of multiple issues with my current setup
[10:11] <nakata> i'm just saying, it's the sort of thing where when ipv6 is widespread, this software 'expires'
[10:11] <krazykook> mpm: hell if i know...you can have it if you want it
[10:11] <Gabarus> Im not even sure what I wiki is. :P Frankly, Ive been trying to get a dist of Linux running on this laptop for about 2 weeks now, and have encountered nothing but frustration and hardware problems, heh. Im just trying to find people who know what they're doing to give me a hand, heh
[10:12] <HappyFool> BigJG: i think apt-get / dpkg / whatever starts it on install
[10:12] <Flav> dpkg -l 'linux-image*'
[10:12] <ziggy> matrox mga_vid help?
[10:12] <fr500> BigJG, Do you know in what languaje is the "network configuration" dialog programmed?
[10:12] <Carlfk> Sprflyzapp, and then I 'think' there is a "automaticaly use free space" option that will setup the new space
[10:12] <HappyFool> Gabarus: ok, a wiki is just a collection of docs
[10:12] <BigJG> HappyFool: I was just confused cause I tried to connect before and had no luck
[10:12] <HappyFool> Gabarus: the ubuntu wiki is here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[10:12] <BigJG> fr500: No I am not sure what programming language is used
[10:12] <fr500> hmm
[10:12] <merc> if i switch to kde will there still be an update applet i can click on when updates are available?
[10:12] <Sprflyzapp> ok ill try
[10:12] <ziggy> i downloaded the matrox-vid-source
[10:12] <Sprflyzapp> thanks all
[10:12] <jinxi> does Ubuntu come with software sound mixing after a default install??
[10:12] <Sprflyzapp> abd thanks carl
[10:13] <Riddell> merc: not a native one yes, you can use update-notifier
[10:13] <asds> Hello
[10:13] <goofrider> nakata, I know what you mean. But US devs won't understand cause IPv4 is pretty much sufficient here. we don't ahve an imminent need to implement it. But I agree we'll be in real trouble when the time comes
[10:13] <merc> Riddell: thanks :)
[10:13] <nakata> opensource is fine, it can be patched/updated/ported
[10:13] <nakata> but closed source is just a burn :(
[10:13] <nakata> i remember doom, with it's ipx only...
[10:13] <BigJG> anyone else know what programing language the network config uses?
[10:13] <fr500> jinxi, yes for me
[10:13] <goofrider> nakata, cuz the whole world would have been 100% IPv6 and we won't even how to begin to implement it
[10:14] <HappyFool> BigJG: I think's it's probably bash (?)
[10:14] <zxc> anyone know what "On Linux, the path is usually ~/.mozilla/firefox/xxxxxxxx.default/" means?
[10:14] <zxc> like where I have to cd too?
[10:14] <asds> I have got a little problem, i have got a repertory with some commands. How must i do to add this command. ( I don't will to use only the commands of /usr/bin and /usr/sbin)
[10:14] <goofrider> zac it varies system to system
[10:14] <goofrider> zxc, xxxxx = random #
[10:14] <jinxi> I expected a better gui for the installation process,  a better one than redhat or FC even.
[10:14] <jinxi> :D
[10:15] <zbowling> ?
[10:15] <nakata> goofrider: too true, bro
[10:15] <rriche> i am trying out 2.6.11 to add support for my Soundblaster Live 24-bit.. which seems to have worked.. alsa runs on boot and i here the subwoofer kick in.. but now when .11 tries to run gnome.. it locks the puter up after logging in.  any ideas?
[10:15] <fr500> BigJG, doesnt care, i'll make my own with phyton with advanced (static) routing features
[10:15] <zbowling> goofrider: you say my name? zac?
[10:15] <zxc> I meant more what the  ~/.mozilla/ meant
[10:15] <goofrider> no.. zxc
[10:15] <rriche> s/here/hear/
[10:15] <goofrider> sorry
[10:15] <zbowling> hehe ok.. got pinged
[10:15] <HappyFool> zxc: go to your home-dir, 'cd .mozilla/firefox' and use ls to see what's in there
[10:15] <HappyFool> zxc: ~ means 'home' dir
[10:15] <zxc> thanks Happyfool
[10:16] <BigJG> fr500: that sounds nice :D
[10:16] <rriche> wtf... and there is no restricted-modules for 2.6.11?
[10:16] <krazykook> but i tell you one thing that dvd is 2gigs...so it might take a little longer to install
[10:16] <BigJG> fr500: is python difficult to learn?
[10:16] <krazykook> i guess i could use my linux isobuster to examine it
[10:17] <zbowling> i'm holding linux intervention at match.com :-) locking everyone in and slapping them around while giving them linux leasons to the sad, uneducated, windows advocates
[10:17] <fr500> BigJG, i sitll have to learn, but i have been said not
[10:17] <HappyFool> rriche: you're probably more-or-less on your own with 2.6.11 (?)
[10:17] <krazykook> lets see if the linux isobuster works
[10:17] <riddlebox> BigJG:I have been learning for years, but the best thing is that I just search for what I am doing and I find examples
[10:17] <HappyFool> python is easy to learn!
[10:17] <fr500> BigJG, prior tu linux i was an average end-user, so i know how it feels to get to a console and know nothig
[10:17] <fr500> BigJG, i like having GUIs
[10:18] <rriche> hrrm.. this sucks...
[10:18] <jinxi> fr500, I got a windows cd left here
[10:18] <roberto> hi :)
[10:18] <BigJG> fr500: Yea I have had some experience in the CLI for unix and dos but im still waaay near the surface
[10:18] <HappyFool> http://www.python.org , and http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/ for learning python
[10:18] <BigJG> HappyFool: thanks much
[10:18] <roberto> does anybody tried Splashy in Hoary? i cant' do it run
[10:18] <goofrider> and http://diveintopython.ord/
[10:18] <fr500> jinxi, i still got 2 windows boxes
[10:18] <goofrider> http://diveintopython.org/
[10:18] <fr500> cedega int perfect yet
[10:19] <HappyFool> imo, diveintopython is a more advanced text
[10:19] <trygvebw> http://testforum.regimentschirurgen.net/piespy/ubuntu-current.png