[12:32] <_simple> what's that last part
[12:32] <psn> gdh: well konversation will probably support different languages when we get to scripting...
[12:33] <John6000> :o
[12:33] <John6000> your part of knovewrsation team?
[12:33] <John6000> konverstion*
[12:34] <psn> John6000: yup
[12:34] <sirukin> ya know
[12:34] <sirukin> nvm
[12:34] <John6000> wow
[12:34] <John6000> great program
[12:34] <John6000> top notch
[12:34] <John6000> keep the good work up
[12:35] <_simple> there an official homepage for it?
[12:35] <transgress> woohoo ubuntu on hp lappies
[12:35] <John6000> ?
[12:35] <John6000> link?
[12:35] <transgress> slashdot.org
[12:35] <John6000> oh
[12:35] <John6000> more presice link
[12:35] <transgress> it's the top damned article
[12:35] <John6000> sorry
[12:36] <psn> _simple: http://konversation.kde.org/
[12:36] <sirukin> yeah
[12:36] <sirukin> haha
[12:36] <sirukin> I skimmed by it
[12:36] <sirukin> it's usually, HP closes down, HP bought by Microsoft, Apple sues HP, blah
[12:37] <transgress> sirukin: they already offer suse lappiews
[12:37] <transgress> lappies
[12:37] <transgress> have been for a while
[12:37] <John6000> freedos
[12:37] <John6000> what
[12:37] <transgress> i run ubuntu on my hp pavilion with everything except for my memory card reader working
[12:37] <John6000> wow
[12:38] <John6000> they should bundle kubuntu with it instead
[12:39] <stackover> i must dpkg -i in order to install .deb ?
[12:39] <sirukin> yeah
[12:39] <sirukin> Kde > most
[12:40] <gdh> Why do all end uses refer to 'laptops' and all manufrs. / resellers refer to 'notebooks' ?
[12:40] <transgress> just preference i think
[12:40] <gdh> A PDA is a 'notebook' really...
[12:40] <transgress> i just say lappy
[12:40] <transgress> nah it's a flipbook
[12:40] <sirukin> notebook sounds more professional
[12:41] <gdh> ain't language great?
[12:41] <gdh> pff
[12:41] <sirukin> "omg check this 19" laptopz0r our!" < "19" Notebook!"
[12:41] <gdh> omgwtfbbq!!??!!1!!111oneeleven!11
[12:41] <sirukin> bbq?
[12:41] <gdh> Yes, barbeque :)
[12:42] <gdh> intended as a parody on 1337 =)
[12:43] <sirukin> I see
[12:43] <John6000> linus trovalus uses debian
[12:44] <sirukin> Linus Torvalds
[12:44] <John6000> yep
[12:45] <psn> John6000: and KDE :)
[12:45] <John6000> :D
[12:45] <John6000> kde is the best
[12:45] <sirukin> who cares what he runs anyway. do windows users care what bill gates runs?
[12:45] <John6000> yes
[12:45] <John6000> he runs longhorn
[12:45] <John6000> or "billhorn"
[12:47] <gdh> openoffice 2 has surpassed itself =) oowriter2 takes 1m 23 seconds to launch...
[12:48] <gdh> ooo1 took about 15-20, and I thought that was fairly insane
[12:48] <kkathman> gdh I hear that once 1.4 is final for Koffice it will be even better than OO, but I guess thats up to the reviewers :)
[12:49] <gdh> kkathman: I would so love to belive that :)
[12:49] <gdh> kkathman: The critical point being utterly transparent .doc / .xls  read/write  alas :/
[12:50] <gdh> and it's always fallen down very badly in that dept from my brief testing
[12:50] <gdh> pretty much any reasonably formatted doc I've had to use OOo, or even abiword
[12:50] <kkathman> Well the early beta review I read, gdh, was that Koffice's implementation of the open document standard was lacking quite a bit
[12:51] <gdh> kkathman: 'open document standard' ? that's what OpenOffice uses ?
[12:51] <kkathman> and of course, there's no solving the font issues which seems to majorly plague Linux users temendously.
[12:51] <gdh> I'm just talking about Office 97  and newer .doc / .xls :)
[12:51] <gdh> i.e. been around for 7 years :)
[12:52] <kkathman> gdh allegedbly, OO has a better implementation of the standard, but KOffice has more elements to be very much like a MS Office clone
[12:52] <kkathman> *allegedly
[12:52] <John6000> sunoffice has turned into openoffice hasnt it?
[12:52] <gdh> If it means I can drop OOo at work, that's cool by me
[12:52] <gdh> Sun StarOffice is a superset of OOo
[12:52] <John6000> whats that mean
[12:52] <gdh> you get a box, printed manual, some support and I think a database component (Adabas?)
[12:53] <John6000> oh
[12:53] <kkathman> Yes StarOffice isnt bad at all
[12:53] <John6000> yeah
[12:53] <John6000> its quiue ok
[12:53] <kkathman> with KOffice you get alot of stuff
[12:53] <John6000> yeah
[12:53] <kkathman> but its definitely NOT ready for prime time
[12:53] <John6000> and it compatible with MS office?
[12:53] <kkathman> John6000: well, no not really, mainly because of the fonts issue
[12:54] <John6000> oh
[12:54] <kkathman> if you mean, can you take a doc in one and read it in the other...yes
[12:54] <kkathman> but they wont look the same
[12:54] <gdh> I wonder how long it'll be before the holy grail of interoperability is solved... native read/write of .MDB :))
[12:54] <John6000> ok
[12:54] <John6000> OOo is missing a acsess clone
[12:55] <kkathman> gdh I dunno...MDB is a proprietary thing with Access, and even IT isnt interoperable with MS"s own SQLServer
[12:55] <kkathman> so..go figure
[12:55] <John6000> in OOo they wernt allowed to include the password save feature thing becase microssoft would not let them
[12:55] <kkathman> I think Koffice has this component called Kexi that is an Access look alike
[12:55] <gdh> kkathman: Yeh... or even a MDB reader than can at least shuffle form layouts instead of just a SQL dump...
[12:56] <kkathman> Not sure, but maybe Kexi can do that, but prolly not natively....will need an open ODBC
[12:56] <psn> gdh: kexi have started to work on mdb import... don't know how far they've come though
[12:56] <gdh> psn: That's good to hear that it's planned / in progress rather than the aloof self-important attitude I see with too many open apps...
[12:56] <kkathman> MDBs are not supposed to be universal per se, they are standalone...even by MS standards
[12:57] <kkathman> For interoperability, one would well look to things like Oracle or MySQL for database especially the latter
[12:57] <kkathman> MDB isnt and never will be the answer I dont believe
[12:58] <gdh> We use Access just as a tabular frontend to a MySQL data source
[12:58] <gdh> because it's much easier to use than giving people e.g. phpMyAdmin access
[12:58] <kkathman> gdh right you can do that with ODBC right?
[12:58] <gdh> kkathman: Yes.
[12:59] <kkathman> I suppose you can do the same with MDB...I know you can in their .NET framwork..in fact its the only way you get to MDB in .NET
[12:59] <gdh> tbh I think Access itself jsut creates a temporary 'user data source' before opening an .MDB
[01:00] <gdh> rather than having one set of routines for 'internal' and another for ODBC
[01:00] <kkathman> gdh well Access was really designed to be a point solution...and it got out of hand
[01:00] <kkathman> by necessity because SQLServer was so bad
[01:00] <gdh> It's never really fitted in properly to Office
[01:00] <kkathman> SQLServer is a bit better now, but nowhere near prime time or enterprise quality
[01:00] <gdh> it's always been a little bit removed..
[01:01] <kkathman> right gdh
[01:01] <gdh> It always felt like some 3rd party developed it - doesn't quite 'feel' the same as other MS apps
[01:02] <kkathman> could be true...
[01:02] <kkathman> but MS kinda "disowns" it to an extent now
[01:02] <kkathman> since they push .NET, MDB just doesnt fit in to their strategic direction
[01:03] <kkathman> they provide the bridge, sure, but they want you on SQLServer
[01:09] <John6000> winfs in longhorn is only to make linux more "uyncompatible"
[01:10] <_nate> access = lame
[01:10] <John6000> yeah
[01:10] <John6000> in school you have to be tought the MS way word,excel,powerpoint,acsess
[01:10] <_nate> i had to use it for a network information database in my last job
[01:10] <_nate> it was so useless, it tied your hands at every corner
[01:11] <John6000> yeah
[01:11] <kkathman> John6000: I doubt that, since Linux developers can easily and farily quickly adapt to that. Since they can, why would MS spend so much on a new file technology?
[01:11] <Hussam> where do I place a symlink of libjavaplugin_oji.so to get jave to work in konqueror?
[01:11] <gdh> I tried to make a couple of simple relational dbases in it with simple forms/macros and drove myself potty over it
[01:11] <gdh> ened up just writing the usual shit in PHP...
[01:11] <John6000> ms are making a new filessytem
[01:11] <_nate> yeah, much easier writing your own frontend than using access
[01:11] <John6000> it must be hard to make FS drivers
[01:12] <gdh> sure Linux NTFS support is still read-only.. 
[01:12] <kkathman> right I know they are, but I DOUBT they are doing that to make it hard for Linux users :) LOL
[01:12] <_nate> we don't even have ntfs down perfectly yet
[01:12] <gdh> why bother with winfs?
[01:12] <John6000> yeah
[01:12] <John6000> just to stop linux compatiblity
[01:12] <kkathman> No
[01:12] <kkathman> no way
[01:12] <John6000> or not
[01:12] <kkathman> thats a bad premise John6000 
[01:12] <John6000> ok
[01:13] <Hussam>  winfs is not a filesystem, it an indexing service that requiers NTFS
[01:13] <John6000> oh
[01:13] <John6000> stupid me
[01:13] <John6000> i thought it was a FS
[01:13] <John6000> oh well
[01:13] <kkathman> Linux users make up less than 1% of the worldwide user base....you dont create a new technology to keep less than 1% from doing something :)
[01:13] <_nate> *cough Beagle cough*
[01:13] <John6000> Hussam is a windows developer GET HIM
[01:13] <John6000> not really
[01:13] <Hussam> John6000: lol
[01:15] <Hussam> anybody know where I can place a symlink of libjavaplugin_oji.so so java can work in konqueror?
[01:15] <kkathman> Hussam: maybe /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin
[01:16] <kkathman> I forget where mine is...I think its /usr/local/bin
[01:16] <kkathman> hey Diablo-D3  :)
[01:16] <Hussam> kkathman: ok thanks
[01:17] <Diablo-D3> hey
[01:17] <Diablo-D3> afk
[01:17] <gdh> I didn't hink Konq usese the Mozilla plugin system for Java
[01:17] <gdh> it runs the 'java' commandline client in some weird way
[01:17] <kkathman> gdh it can...like for flash
[01:17] <gdh> that just seems to work..
[01:17] <John6000> in kde 3.4 they tryed to make konkeror look like firefox
[01:17] <kkathman> yeah true that gdh, but I dont use Konq as a browser anyway
[01:18] <gdh> Yes I know it /can/ run Mozilla-compat plugines for flash/acroread et al =)
[01:18] <kkathman> I need to figure out how to get a default printer for linux to use the printer on my main win box :)
[01:19] <kkathman> that should be interesting
 I didn't hink Konq usese the Mozilla plugin system for Java
[01:19] <kkathman> I did it once before, but forget how I did it :)
[01:19] <Diablo-D3> it doesnt
[01:19] <Diablo-D3> it runs the jvm directly
[01:19] <gdh> Diablo-D3: No nor I.
[01:19] <Diablo-D3> infact, its the only thing konq doesnt use nsplugins
[01:19] <gdh> Ah, click. :)
[01:19] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: yep I think all browsers have to run it directly in fact
[01:19] <gdh> ETOOMUCHBEER
[01:19] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: ns doesnt
[01:19] <Diablo-D3> afk
[01:21] <Tm_T> tez
[01:21] <Tezkah> hey
[01:22] <kkathman> howdy Tezkah 
[01:22] <kkathman> hey Tm_T :)
[01:22] <Tm_T> hi kkathman 
[01:23] <Tezkah> dang, xchat
[01:23] <Tezkah> why do you make my text a different color?
[01:23] <Tm_T> Tezkah: ?
[01:23] <Tm_T> yay, my first real article in my blog \o/
[01:23] <Tm_T> "real"
[01:24] <Tezkah> my text in xchat shows up as dark gray
[01:24] <Tm_T> hah
[01:24] <Tezkah> on black
[01:24] <Tm_T> use irssi ;p
[01:24] <Tezkah> that would be too easy
[01:24] <Tezkah> actually, more difficult
[01:24] <Tm_T> ?
[01:25] <Tm_T> difficult?
[01:25] <Tezkah> as I've been messing up connecting to multiple servers
[01:25] <Tezkah> freenode connects fine, autoidentifies and such
[01:26] <Tm_T> ok
[01:26] <Tezkah_> I bet I'd just have to add my other network again
[01:27] <Tm_T> heh, why you shut your client?
[01:27] <Tezkah> both are open
[01:27] <Tezkah_> okay, irssi.org
[01:28] <Tm_T> I mean, if do it once, where's the problem?
[01:28] <Tezkah_> what do you mean?
[01:29] <Tezkah_> ohhh I get it
[01:32] <pussfeller> whats a cli client that plays wavs
[01:35] <nessmuk> a friend needs to know how to get monitor resolution up from 1024x768 to 1280x1024. Is there a file he can edit to add that resolution?
[01:35] <Tm_T>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:38] <nessmuk> thnx, Tm_T
[01:40] <kkathman> dum de dum dum
[01:40] <kkathman> uawm
[01:40] <kkathman> er yawn
[01:43] <_simple> i used kynaptic to install alsa-base and everything, but why can't i do alsaconf
[01:44] <Tm_T> kkathman: wazzup
[01:48] <Tezkah> Jones Soda
[01:49] <Tezkah> its like Linux in Soda form
[01:49] <Tezkah> except
[01:49] <Tezkah> not OpenCola
[01:49] <sirukin_> hehe
[01:49] <Tm_T> _simple: you installed alsaconf?
[01:49] <sirukin> Jones Soda is cool
[01:50] <sirukin> they are the active
[01:50] <sirukin> t3h
[01:56] <Tm_T> uuh
[01:56] <Tm_T> amaroK <3
[01:57] <morten> .... Last time i was here... someone said something about an alternativ system-status-program-thingie... called To-anus or something like that.. anyone know a program called something like that ?
[01:59] <kkathman> lol
[01:59] <morten> Guess not... nighty night!
[02:00] <Tm_T> anus mentioned ;--p
[02:00] <kkathman> yes there is morten
[02:00] <Tm_T> you mean Torsmo =)
[02:00] <kkathman> trying to remember that name tho
[02:00] <morten> *bounce*
[02:00] <kkathman> I use superkaramba
[02:00] <sirukin> SUPERKARAMABA!
[02:00] <sirukin> hmm
[02:00] <kkathman> yah thats it
[02:00] <Tm_T> TORSMO!
[02:00] <kkathman> tosrmo
[02:00] <morten> Think I'll try that one
[02:00] <Tm_T> =)
[02:00] <kkathman> I use SK for my monitor
[02:00] <sirukin> I'd like to see a kubuntu-look.org
[02:01] <Tm_T> sirukin: kde-look.org is enough ;p
[02:01] <sirukin> no...
[02:01] <Tm_T> oh yes
[02:01] <sirukin> people uploading distro specific packages fuck kde-look.org up good.
[02:01] <[freebsd> SuperKaramba is t3h shiz
[02:02] <kkathman> torsmo is ok, but it refreshes too drastically
[02:02] <transgress> is .flac F/OSS?
[02:02] <kkathman> SK is much nicer and looks good too :)
[02:02] <morten> .... Just heard that Superkaramba shoutld be.... what we would descripe as "heavey loade".... unhealthy eyecandy :P
[02:02] <morten> and Torsmo is more like an apple :D
[02:02] <transgress> superkaramba doesn't run hard at all on my computer
[02:02] <kkathman> morten I have two SK apps running and my CPU idles at around 3%
[02:03] <transgress> yeah mine is idling at around 6% with a lot of stuff running
[02:03] <kkathman> but some of the SK apps are killers
[02:03] <transgress> well some of the stuff for it doesn't make the entire thing that way
[02:03] <kkathman> I have IRC, two shells, konq, Opera, And Gaim all running
[02:04] <morten> ... opera.. never really understood why anyone would use that browser..
[02:04] <transgress> psi, two irc's, 3 shells, konq, SK, amarok running
[02:04] <kkathman> its fast morten, thats why
[02:04] <transgress> me either morten 
[02:04] <morten> That banner in the top is soooo annoying :P
[02:04] <transgress> last benches i saw, had it clocked lower than FF
[02:04] <morten> And... I just hate the way it's build...
[02:04] <transgress> and konq for that matter
[02:06] <kkathman> no banners for me :)
[02:06] <transgress> pirate!
[02:06] <morten> konq is imo (think thats the way of shorten the words in my oponopn (which i can't spell either)) a horrible as well :P
[02:06] <kkathman> now how do you know Im a pirate?
[02:06] <transgress> i try to limit my proprietary software to unreal and jacked drivers for my wifi
[02:06] <kkathman> pirate!
[02:06] <transgress> kkathman: because who in their right mind pays for a browser?
[02:06] <kkathman> hehe
[02:06] <kkathman> transgress: I didnt
[02:07] <kkathman> not one cent
[02:07] <transgress> okay then
[02:07] <kkathman> so if I didnt pay for it then i must be a pirate is that it?
[02:07] <transgress> did you find it in a dumpster somewhere?
[02:08] <kkathman> well, now think for a second and see if you can think of another reason why it might be free to me :)
[02:08] <kkathman> no, but a nice guess :)
[02:08] <transgress> what's a good cd ripper that will rip to ogg?  and flac...
[02:08] <transgress> because you pirated it?
[02:08] <kkathman> seriously, I got it from a friend who bought it and he gave it to me because he no longer wanted to use it
[02:09] <transgress> you have a friend that payed for a browser?
[02:09] <transgress> eww
[02:09] <kkathman> hehe yep
[02:09] <transgress> i prefer to be a hermit
[02:10] <kkathman> but I prefer Firefox to them all
[02:11] <Tezkah> note to self, always listen to Tm_T 
[02:11] <Tezkah> he is smrt
[02:11] <kkathman> Opera has its moments
[02:11] <Tezkah> and I really like Konqueror on KDE
[02:11] <transgress> i like firefox, but i wish it weren't gtk, and i really wish ubuntu would recompile the damned package to not require gnome support
[02:11] <kkathman> transgress: yeah I agree with that
[02:11] <kkathman> I got my version directly from mozilla tho, and didnt do an apt-get
[02:12] <sirukin> qt <3
[02:12] <transgress> i think that was just a fucking asshole move... yeah i have the binary from mozilla
[02:12] <transgress> but i'd still prefer to be able to apt it
[02:12] <kkathman> yep..more reliable for sure
[02:12] <transgress> for the two sites that require it over konq
[02:12] <Tezkah> I have the CSS adblocking set up in konq
[02:12] <Tezkah> not as good as adblock on Firefox
[02:13] <kkathman> I dont like Konq as a browser, but will admit I never really spent a LOT of time getting into its capabilities
[02:13] <Tm_T> Tezkah: ??
[02:13] <transgress> i just turned it to smart control javascript popups and haven't had a big problem with popups
[02:13] <Tezkah> irssi is good
[02:13] <transgress> yes it is
[02:14] <Diablo-D3> hey Tezkah 
[02:14] <Diablo-D3> khtml is getting adblock real soon now
[02:15] <sirukin> imho, kde should begin individulizing applications for kde.
[02:15] <sirukin> I've had enough of this naming every application with a k in it.
[02:15] <kkathman> sirukin:  lol
[02:15] <Tezkah> Diablo-D3: neat, yeah, I have most ads blocked using a CSS file
[02:15] <Tezkah> but khtml is fast and nice
[02:16] <Tezkah> its like how IE would be if it wasn't crap
[02:16] <brosio> help i can't play mp3 sound with noatun... noatun works only with .ogg .. any idea to solve ?
[02:16] <kkathman> uhm get a converter mp3 -> ogg ??
[02:16] <transgress> brosio: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:16] <kkathman> or try amarOK
[02:16] <kkathman> hehe
[02:17] <transgress> amarok won't play it either... he needs the plugins for it
[02:17] <Diablo-D3> sirukin: gnome does the same thing
[02:17] <kkathman> for mp3?
[02:17] <kkathman> mine mp3s play fine in amarOK
[02:17] <Tm_T> no, amaroK needs only sound engine like gstreamer
[02:17] <Tezkah> I had to install amaroK-engines
[02:18] <sirukin> yeah
[02:18] <kkathman> right Tm_T 
[02:18] <Tm_T> :)
[02:18] <Tm_T> and engine uses plugins etc
[02:18] <Diablo-D3> why the fuck would you convert mp3 to vorbis?
[02:18] <Diablo-D3> thats insane
[02:18] <sirukin> Kde would fare much better if every application was emphasized not on it's association with kde but based on it's own merits.
[02:18] <kkathman> I was joking :)
[02:18] <Diablo-D3> sirukin: then it fails
[02:18] <kkathman> hehe
[02:18] <sirukin> that's imho
[02:18] <Tm_T> sirukin: ehh, youre funny =)
[02:19] <Diablo-D3> sirukin: please understand how kde works before you try to change it
[02:19] <kkathman> guess a dry sense of humor gets the hardliners a bit on edge
[02:19] <sirukin> I'm not trying to change it, but qt is a much better api than gtk
[02:19] <Tezkah> I would die for KDE
[02:19] <Tezkah> in fact
[02:19] <Tezkah> I have
[02:19] <Tm_T> I breath bad humor o/ =)
[02:19] <Tezkah> but the power of KDE brought me back
[02:20] <kkathman> well ok on that Tezkah 
[02:20] <sirukin> gnome...is campy.
[02:20] <brosio> transgress, so i must add the repository then ?
[02:20] <Diablo-D3> I wouldnt die for kde
[02:20] <Diablo-D3> I mean, kde > *, but its far from perfect
[02:20] <sirukin> I never said it was perfect, but it isn't slow by default.
[02:21] <Tezkah> woot
[02:21] <Tezkah> there we go
[02:21] <Tezkah> broken flash drives ahoy
[02:21] <sirukin> haha
[02:21] <Tezkah> I had to pull the screen up
[02:21] <Tezkah> its a stupid mp3 player
[02:21] <Tezkah> screen glass is shattered
[02:22] <Tezkah> li'l LCD screen
[02:22] <Tezkah> 125mb free
[02:22] <Tezkah> I think I can install ubuntu on there
[02:22] <Tezkah> brb
[02:22] <Diablo-D3> lol
[02:22] <sirukin> IBM should begin shipping notebooks with Kubuntu
[02:22] <Tm_T> haha
[02:23] <sirukin> that'd be sexy.
[02:23] <brosio> anyone could help ?
[02:23] <kkathman> sirukin: not likely
[02:23] <Tezkah> too bad IBM sold off its computer division
[02:23] <sirukin> not likely, but it'd be hot.
[02:23] <transgress> brosio: did you ask something?
[02:24] <brosio> transgress, yes i read the page but i don't find a solution to my problem
[02:24] <kkathman> Lenovo isnt that far removed from IBM tho
[02:24] <Tezkah> just... in another country
[02:25] <Tezkah> they'll still be called thinkpads though
[02:25] <kkathman> when you buy their products they still have IBM on them too :)
[02:25] <kkathman> lol
[02:26] <kkathman> and yes they are still called Thinkpads :)
[02:27] <transgress> oh... umm... iuno... look for an xmms-mp3 plugin... i know it needs one...
[02:28] <transgress> i thought it came w/ it by default... 
[02:28] <kkathman> the people with the money are going with RedHat tho
[02:28] <brosio> transgress, with xmms works
[02:28] <brosio> only noatun not works
[02:30] <transgress> brosio: noatun, isn't that a gnome package?
[02:30] <psn> transgress: nope
[02:30] <transgress> hmm
[02:32] <Tm_T> \sh: ping
[02:38] <brosio> transgress, if is a gnome package
[02:38] <brosio> sure that i'm asking here...
[02:38] <brosio> is the default kde player...
[02:38] <_nate> anyone know how to get around a channel ban?
[02:40] <Tm_T> _nate: if you're banned, take a lesson
[02:40] <kkathman> _nate: uhmm you got banned somewhere?
[02:40] <Tm_T> there must be a good reason to it
[02:40] <transgress> i don't even have that 
[02:40] <Tm_T> :)
[02:41] <kkathman> usually you cant get around it, unless you have access to a shell account, or have another domain..most bans are fairly specific to you and your domain
[02:41] <kkathman> it might be just temporary tho
[02:41] <Tm_T> kkathman: I normally ban *!*@*.it :p
[02:41] <kkathman> unless you burned a bridge
[02:42] <kkathman> Tm_T hard to do that cuz that hits too many people
[02:42] <Tm_T> kkathman: well, in my case it's only a good thing
[02:42] <kkathman> that ban pretty much eliminates anyone from Italy
[02:42] <kkathman> lol
[02:42] <Tm_T> yes =)
[02:42] <Tm_T> kkathman: but I use it only in spesific channels
[02:43] <Tm_T> kkathman: in IRCnet
[02:43] <Tezkah> like #anti-italy
[02:44] <Tm_T> Tezkah: not really, but local channels, if some italians come there, they are in wrong place or spammers
[02:48] <Tezkah> heh, I see
[02:48] <Tezkah> but those Canadians...
[02:48] <Tezkah> .ca for banned, everywhere!
[02:48] <sirukin> wghat?!?!
[02:48] <sirukin> go canada!
[02:48] <Tm_T> ?
[02:48] <Tezkah> oh wait, its not that obvious
[02:48] <Tm_T> haha
[02:48] <Tezkah> I'm in Canada
[02:48] <Tm_T> no it's not
[02:48] <Tezkah> but I have a .net hostmask
[02:49] <sirukin> :p
[02:49] <sirukin> does freenode block tor?
[02:52] <_nate> I got banned because someone took over our channel
[02:52] <_nate> not cuz i did anything stupid
[02:52] <_nate> and i want the freakin channel back
[02:54] <_nate> how do i op myself in a new channel?
[02:55] <Morandir> anyone have any experience on setting up  a RAID0 with ubuntu?
[02:55] <Tm_T> _nate: you are op if you create channel
[02:56] <_nate> Tm_T: But i'm not, and i'm the only one in the channel
[02:58] <Tm_T> ehh
[02:58] <Tm_T> what network?
[02:59] <_nate> irc.gamesurge.net
[03:00] <Tm_T> hmm, ok, maybe that network have it's own methods ;)
[03:00] <Tm_T> can't help, sorry
[03:05] <_glenda> hmmm
[03:05] <kkathman> _nate if you are the only one there, you usually are the op
[03:05] <_glenda> where do you change any graphics settings in kde?
[03:05] <kkathman> some networks' channels have an autobot that only ops those that have passwords
[03:06] <kkathman> _glenda: try the control center
[03:06] <_nate> kkathman: i'm not, gamesurge requires registration
[03:08] <_glenda> kkathman: where at in control center...sorry this is Cybermagellan on his wifes Mac...I usually use GNOME
[03:08] <kkathman> ok, you see the K at the far left end of the menu bar...click that, then choose control center
[03:09] <kkathman> then Appearance & Themes
[03:09] <_glenda> I'm there
[03:09] <kkathman> are you trying to change your screen resolution tho?
[03:09] <transgress> Liz4rd: what's up?
[03:10] <Tm_T> flap
[03:10] <Liz4rd> transgress: nm, updating thigns
[03:11] <_glenda> looks like a windows box would work on 256bit colors
[03:15] <_glenda> ok, fixed it....
[03:15] <_glenda> it's the gamma settings
[03:18] <Tezkah> I cannot leave the confines of KDE
[03:22] <Liz4rd> :P
[03:28] <Nomikos> hmm.. anyone know if, when you install Kubuntu-desktop on hoary, you can get back to Gnome?
[03:29] <Tezkah> yep
[03:29] <Nomikos> cool. how :)
[03:29] <Tezkah> just choose GNOME from the KDM or GDM
[03:29] <Tezkah> when you log in
[03:29] <Tezkah> speaking of which, I'm just about to go into GNOME
[03:29] <Nomikos> aah... ok, at the loginscreen there appears a menu?
[03:29] <Tezkah> yes
[03:29] <Nomikos> nice
[03:29] <Tezkah> look for "session type"
[03:35] <Tezkah> oh shit
[03:35] <Tezkah> this isss no good
[03:35] <Tezkah> when I choose GNOME from KDM
[03:35] <Tezkah> it just doesnt load
[03:35] <Tezkah> ps aux shows that gnome-session is loading
[03:35] <Nomikos> hmmm.. :-)
[03:36] <Nomikos> i think it's a ruse by KDE to try and keep you on their desktop :-)
[03:36] <Tezkah> heh
[03:36] <Tezkah> its working!
[03:37] <Tezkah> there we go!
[03:37] <Nomikos> ooh good - so it just took some time then?
[03:37] <Tezkah> just had to kill
[03:37] <Tezkah>  /usr/bin/ssh-agent
[03:37] <Tezkah>  /usr/bin/dbus/launch
[03:37] <Tezkah> --exit with session /usr/bin/gnome-session
[03:38] <Tezkah> I love that I know the multiple TTY things though
[03:38] <Tezkah> or I'd be screwed
[03:39] <Nomikos> i'll ... be sure to visit here again if i have the same issue! :-) know my way around, but..
[03:39] <transgress> wow... account to suicidegirls.com was one of my wisest yet
[03:39] <Tm_T> hm?
[03:41] <_simple> man...what's the fix if you installed the update for kbdelis or whatever :/
[03:41] <luke_> _simple --- topic
[03:41] <_simple> ah
[03:41] <_simple> fantastic ty sir
[03:41] <luke_> :)
[03:42] <Tm_T> :)
[03:42] <_simple> i see all this talk about it
[03:42] <_simple> and was all wtf oO i installed it..
[03:42] <Tm_T> simple ansfer to simple
[03:42] <_simple> but i just rebooted
[03:42] <_simple> and see what it was
[03:42] <_simple> yeah, obviously it was a sticky topic and would be in the topic, i'm not too bright until the obvious question is answered though
[03:43] <Nomikos> hmm.. is that a script i have to run after installing kubuntu desktop?
[03:43] <luke_> how long have ubuntu and kubuntu been around? they can't be very old, hoary is only their second release
[03:43] <_simple> hah, i dont' know what to do with the .sh?
[03:44] <luke_> just double click on the file _simple
[03:44] <_simple> runs with "less"?
[03:44] <_simple> as default
[03:45] <luke_> sudo sh kdelibs-debug.sh     run that in the directory of the .sh file
[03:45] <Tm_T> luke_: well, ubuntu is ~18months old and Kubuntu mauch younger
[03:46] <_simple> yeah
[03:46] <Tm_T> luke_: afaik
[03:46] <luke_> what is afaik?
[03:47] <Nomikos> "As Far As I Know"
[03:47] <luke_> ok
[03:47] <luke_> it's a really young distro huh
[03:58] <kakalto> has anyone here had problems clearing cache in opera?
[04:02] <luke_> nah havn't used opera sorry
[04:02] <shiv> i just installed unrar program from kynaptic , where is it how do I unrar a file
[04:02] <Tezkah> kakalto: what happens?
[04:02] <kakalto> Tezkah, as root, it crashed on me...
[04:03] <Tezkah> why where you running as root?
[04:03] <kakalto> to test something
[04:03] <kakalto> but as normal user, it either a) doesn't clear or b) reloads my site improperly
[04:03] <Tezkah> ah
[04:03] <Tezkah> you can try ctrl+f5
[04:03] <kakalto> kk
[04:03] <Tezkah> theres also options in there... check for new version
[04:03] <kakalto> uhhh
[04:04] <Tezkah> I forget, I uninstalled it too =(
[04:04] <Tezkah> like, Opera's options
[04:04] <kakalto> ctrl+f5 switches virtual desktops
[04:04] <Tezkah> one of them is "Check For New Version Of Page..."
[04:04] <Tezkah> oh man, Windows talking
[04:04] <kakalto> HERETIC!
[04:04] <kakalto> nah, I forgive ya ;)
[04:04] <Tezkah> I'll find the equivilant
[04:05] <Tezkah> hmm
[04:05] <Tezkah> Ctrl + R or "F5" it syas
[04:05] <Tezkah> weird
[04:05] <Tezkah> I know I'd get that too
[04:05] <Tezkah> I'd open up a forum
[04:05] <Tezkah> and it'd say no new posts
[04:05] <Tezkah> and then there would be more posts
[04:05] <kakalto> thanks....
[04:06] <kakalto> but, the strange thing is that my site isn't displaying the way I want it to...
[04:06] <kakalto> in konqueror it displays proper
[04:07] <kakalto> in Internet explorer, it's almost correct
[04:07] <kakalto>  but ff and opera are a little screwed
[04:07] <Tezkah> ah
[04:07] <Tezkah> yeah, doesn't sound like an Opera issue
[04:08] <kakalto> hang on a minute...
[04:08] <kakalto> it displays the same in everything now...
[04:08] <kakalto> I know what the problem is
[04:10] <kakalto> lol, making web pages is interesting...
[04:11] <luke_> haha it sure is
[04:15] <Tezkah> I love the command line
[04:18] <gege> salut!!   exciste t-il un channel Kubuntu fr ??
[04:19] <luke_> has anyone ever had a problem with firefox asking for a profile and then saying that the deafault profile is in use? so you have to delete that one and make another one?
[04:21] <Nomikos> well.. interesting but back to Ubuntu, KDE has too many buttons for me ;-)
[04:22] <Cybermagellan> LOL...finally got my wifes Mac up and running with Kubuntu
[04:24] <Morandir> >_< can you have multiple raid arrays on two drives? we cant seem to get KU to recgonize /home and the swap
[04:35] <kkathman> hmm..
[04:37] <kkathman> hey kakalto... why would you design your site to Konqueror standards?
[04:37] <kkathman> Opera is a good standard to use though, because they allegedly claim to support only W3C compliant syntax
[04:38] <Liz4rd> allegedly 
[04:38] <kakalto> kkathman, I didn't, I simply designed it
[04:38] <transgress> i have hopes that the next konq update will be a big one... to be up there with safari at least...
[04:38] <kakalto> I didn't have any particular standards in mind, apart from w3c
[04:38] <Liz4rd> firefox is becoming increasingly popular
[04:38] <kkathman> but personally I design sites and make sure they run in IE and Mozilla...if they do I got 99+% of the world
[04:38] <kakalto> konqueror just happened to display it well
[04:39] <kakalto> yeah
[04:39] <kakalto> that's what I'm doing
[04:39] <kakalto> well, w3c first, firefox, then ie
[04:39] <luke_> what about internet explorer, it may suck, but it's what most people use
[04:39] <transgress> i don't/can't design my site for IE, because i don't keep a windows box on hand
[04:39] <kakalto> yup
[04:39] <kakalto> transgress, wine!
[04:39] <kkathman> luke_:  yep you cant ignore it
[04:39] <kakalto> that's what I use
[04:39] <transgress> kakalto: i don't keep crap software on hand either
[04:39] <kakalto> I installed ie6 with some special script...
[04:39] <kakalto> :P
[04:40] <kkathman> use lots of CSS and keep it to low CSS2 and you got most of it tackled
[04:40] <kakalto> yeah
[04:40] <kakalto> glad I'm doing something right :D
[04:40] <kkathman> transgress: well if you do it for a living, its nice to test it on IE
[04:41] <transgress> eh i don't design for a living... and i definitely don't design for crap software
[04:41] <kkathman> but then its not that hard to keep the design to the lowest common denominator either
[04:41] <luke_> you have to make the site for the people viewing it
[04:41] <kkathman> transgress: well since you dont design for a living, that explains the last part :)
[04:42] <kkathman> you design for the market and like it or not, most people use IE
[04:42] <transgress> kkathman: you can have standards and still make a living... kind of like i still get laid, but don't date ugly chicks... 
[04:42] <kkathman> at least if you are a professional designer :)
[04:42] <kakalto> if I had a real choice, I would block ie users
[04:42] <kakalto> but I don't
[04:42] <kkathman> yep use standards and yer ok
[04:42] <Liz4rd> :P
[04:42] <transgress> when i make sites i just try to go with w3c
[04:42] <kakalto> not necessarily
[04:42] <kakalto> (to kkathman 
[04:42] <kkathman> w3c and low CSS2
[04:43] <kakalto> I made an image height: 100%; and ie only shows it for about 2 pixels
[04:43] <kakalto> how do you confuse that?!
[04:43] <kkathman> thats not an ie problem Im sure
[04:43] <kkathman> remember that there are always multiple ways to use CSS to accomplish the job
[04:44] <kakalto> then why does 3 other engines I tried show 100% of the page
[04:44] <kakalto> how do I make an image go from the top of the page to the bottom?
[04:44] <kkathman> some engines support high CSS2
[04:45] <kkathman> you stay away from CSS and HTML that varies from browser to browser if possible
[04:45] <kkathman> what I cant understand is why there are still people on IE4 and Netscape 3 or something like that
[04:46] <kkathman> I refuse to program to that level
[04:46] <kakalto> 0_o
[04:46] <Liz4rd> i agree i'm a website designer my self and i really dont want to make it so EVERY poor soul can view it properly
[04:47] <kkathman> its a lose lose propostition actually
[04:47] <kkathman> I match my target audience with the way I will deploy
[04:48] <Liz4rd> yeah, i ran a graphic design site for along time and i had to be really current or els I would look bad :P
[04:48] <kkathman> if its a business site that needs to attract a high clientelle, I will code to 1024x768 cuz if you got less you aint who we want seeing the site anyway :)
[04:49] <Liz4rd> :P i always made it 1024x768 or higher
[04:49] <Liz4rd> i love high resolution and most designers do aswell
[04:49] <kkathman> yah
[04:49] <kkathman> the stats say thats the way to go
[04:49] <shiv> I have crossover office 4.0, how do I associate my .exe files on the windoze partition to run with it?
[04:49] <kkathman> if you are CNN yeah you can go low to 800x600
[04:50] <Liz4rd> wine?
[04:50] <shiv> do I need wine with crossover?
[04:50] <kkathman> shiv...yes it will need it
[04:50] <Liz4rd> yeah CNN has alot of old people viewing it as well as poor schools :P
[04:50] <kkathman> but when you install crossover, you'll get it
[04:50] <Liz4rd> so they need to
[04:50] <kkathman> right Liz4rd 
[04:51] <kkathman> shiv I'd advise against crossover tho
[04:51] <kkathman> Im not that keen on wine either to be honest :)O
[04:51] <shiv> :(
[04:51] <shiv> I already installed crossover
[04:51] <Liz4rd> cant wait to i recive kubuntu i wanna try it 
[04:51] <shiv> nut am not able to associate my old exe files with it
[04:52] <kkathman> shiv: I never got crossover to be able to install anything of value to me so I uninstalled it AND wine
[04:52] <shiv> I used xandros before with trial crosover
[04:52] <shiv> it already had the files associated
[04:52] <kkathman> Liz4rd: thats a distro I would have loved to try
[04:52] <shiv> so I never had this problem before
[04:53] <luke_> xandros sucked ass
[04:53] <shiv> lol
[04:53] <shiv> it wasn't bad but suely kubuntu rules
[04:53] <Liz4rd> slackwares a dream
[04:53] <Liz4rd> i love it
[04:53] <Liz4rd> was one of my firsts distros
[04:54] <Liz4rd> but i dont have a whole lot of box
[04:54] <kkathman> so I've heard
[04:54] <luke_> how many install cds does slackware have?
[04:54] <Liz4rd> 2
[04:54] <kkathman> My impression was that slack was like gentoo...very techie oriented and used alot for compiling
[04:54] <Liz4rd> its really easy to
[04:54] <kkathman> but that may be mistaken
[04:54] <Liz4rd> lol oh god no
[04:55] <kkathman> kewl
[04:55] <Liz4rd> to installa program all you would do is download a dar file and go " installpkg filename.tar
[04:55] <kkathman> but I DO know its light on the box
[04:55] <Liz4rd> and bam
[04:55] <Liz4rd> tar*
[04:55] <shiv> I also have other issue, kcheckgmail keeps saying bad username and password
[04:56] <shiv> anybody used that before?
[04:56] <Liz4rd> for slackware stuff talk to transgress :)
[04:56] <Liz4rd>  and try to bugg him 
[04:56] <Liz4rd> for me
[04:56] <Liz4rd> :D
[04:56] <transgress> what?
[04:56] <kkathman> lol
[04:56] <Liz4rd> oh nothign
[04:56] <Liz4rd> go back to working :D
[04:56] <transgress> you install .tgz files on slack not .tar
[04:56] <kkathman> I try not to bug transfress...he's a heavyweight and doesnt like us peons :)
[04:56] <Liz4rd> oop .tgz thats right
[04:57] <kkathman> see what I mean Liz4rd  :)
[04:57] <kkathman> hehe
[04:57] <Liz4rd> :P
[04:57] <transgress> i'm so not even near a heavyweight... heh...
[04:57] <kkathman> j/k transgress  :) you've been a great help :)
[04:57] <transgress> but it's all good... because i have loads of pictures of naked girls with tattoos
[04:57] <Liz4rd> you should see him attempt to yell over jabber
[04:57] <Liz4rd> lol he's pround of that
[04:58] <kkathman> I got naked anime girls does that count?
[04:58] <kkathman> j/k :)
[04:58] <transgress> http://irclikelife.com/hi.png <-- Liz4rd 
[04:58] <Liz4rd> lol ssh to transgresspron.he.is.a.nerd.org username: pronboy pass: ipopedatent
[04:59] <kkathman> rof
[04:59] <kkathman> rof
[04:59] <kkathman> ugh
[04:59] <transgress> hmm... rm -rf /home/polorix ... wonder what that does...
[04:59] <Liz4rd> lmfao thast one i got to write down
[05:00] <Liz4rd> FUCK YOU MAN
[05:00] <Liz4rd> :P
[05:00] <transgress> i'm just fucking with you... you know i wouldn't do that
[05:00] <Liz4rd> :P i know
[05:00] <transgress> you can always have a shell on my box
[05:00] <transgress> cause it's kind of kinky like that
[05:00] <Liz4rd> ok set it up
[05:00] <transgress> you have a shell remember?
[05:00] <Liz4rd> cuz you know i'm all for kinky
[05:00] <Liz4rd> on the server yes
[05:01] <Liz4rd> I WANT ON YOUR MAIN BOX
[05:01] <transgress> i don't open my desktop to ssh... i keep it hidden
[05:01] <Liz4rd> dam you
[05:01] <transgress> i can't even ssh it when i'm gone
[05:01] <Liz4rd> fine your cut off
[05:01] <Liz4rd> :P
[05:01] <transgress> fine.  well i have a girl coming over tomorrow!  so there!  i don't need you!
[05:01] <Tm_T> kkathman: what happens here?
[05:02] <Tm_T> :o
[05:02] <Liz4rd> :O :( oh no you didnt
[05:02] <kkathman> what happens where?
[05:02] <kkathman> Tm_T ??
[05:03] <Liz4rd> :D
[05:03] <Tm_T> =)
[05:03] <Tm_T> forget :)
[05:03] <Tm_T> kkathman: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/amaroksplash_001_small.png
[05:04] <kkathman> uhm  ok
[05:04] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/amaroksplash_002a_small.png
[05:04] <kkathman> nice graphic I guess
[05:04] <Tm_T> :)
[05:04] <kkathman> what are you asking Tm_T :)
[05:04] <Tm_T> nothing =)
[05:05] <kkathman> so am I right that you cant use a nautilus file manager under KDE?
[05:05] <transgress> use konq
[05:05] <transgress> kkathman: you could... but i don't see why
[05:05] <kkathman> I know but Im asking a technical questions
[05:05] <kkathman> ok
[05:06] <kkathman> just wondered
[05:06] <Liz4rd> think i could install xfce4 on kubuntu?
[05:06] <transgress> not to mention it may start up some gnome crap
[05:06] <transgress> you can
[05:06] <Tm_T> Liz4rd: sure
[05:06] <transgress> install xfce4
[05:06] <Liz4rd> ok good
[05:06] <transgress> but i don't see why
[05:06] <transgress> ;)
[05:06] <kkathman> This new Dell-Eazel alliance ... they are looking to simplify the Linux interface and it looks like they are standardizing on Nautilus :(
[05:06] <Liz4rd> hey, a guy can use other WM's if he wants !
[05:06] <Liz4rd> :P
[05:07] <transgress> fuck dell... 
[05:07] <Liz4rd> i agree
[05:07] <Liz4rd> czu you nkow
[05:07] <kkathman> Hey at least Dell is breaking ranks transgress
[05:07] <Liz4rd> "DUDE! YOUR GETTING A DELL"
[05:07] <transgress> trying to simplify linux... by removing choices... removes the largest advantage to linux
[05:08] <kkathman> transgress: but you cant deny the fact that in order for Linux to gain more acceptance there have to be changes made in useability
[05:08] <kkathman> I mean, Linux holds less than 1% of the total OS installs in the world. Thats not likely to change until some strides are made in many areas.
[05:08] <Liz4rd> therfor stooping to MS's level?
[05:08] <transgress> the fact that you feel linux has useability problems when compared to windows... gives me a headache
[05:08] <luke_> having the  'choice' to use linux and do what you like with it, is whats good about linux. havn't you noticed that every computer with windows looks and acts the same?
[05:09] <transgress> the fact that you have to do registry hacks just to remove certain things is not useability
[05:09] <kkathman> transgress: not me personally, but the market in general
[05:09] <transgress> it's just like switching to a mac... it's not useability problems... it's learning something new.
[05:09] <kkathman> I absolutely agree but how many people do you think REALLY do registry hacks?
[05:09] <kkathman> the geeks do, but the average person doesnt
[05:10] <Liz4rd> :O !! i
[05:10] <transgress> kkathman: well then set someone up on gnome or kde and let them have at it... those same people will never need to learn about using nautilus and konq... 
[05:10] <Liz4rd> i'b been labled
[05:10] <transgress> we don't need standards... and cutting out of options by companies trying to bring linux up... because they aren't... they are tearing it down.
[05:10] <Liz4rd> i'v*
[05:11] <kkathman> transgress: I'd love to...What I'd like to see is a great movement at lower grade levels to introduce Linux...its the only way to train a new generation.  Only people like Michael Dell have the muscle to attempt that
[05:11] <kkathman> so I dont condemn him at all
[05:11] <kkathman> he's breaking ranks...and in a big way...to the tune of 100 millions
[05:11] <kkathman> not bad
[05:11] <transgress> it's one thing to make an distro with only gnome or kde, but it's another to try to make part of gnome or kde the standard
[05:11] <transgress> that hurts linux far more than it helps
[05:12] <kkathman> at least people can call Dell and order a PC or laptop with Linux on it...most places dont give you that choice
[05:12] <kkathman> transgress: you gotta think MARKET...not just the geek community to get traction
[05:12] <transgress> hp does as well
[05:12] <kkathman> otherwise, Linux will remain <1%
[05:13] <Liz4rd> i think its way more than that
[05:13] <kkathman> and used as little application servers and file servers :(
[05:13] <transgress> i'm not thinking geek community... i'm thinking of keeping linux open... closing off sections of it will _hurt_ linux 
[05:13] <kkathman> I think you can keep it open, but NO ONE ever moved to Linux for applications.
[05:13] <kkathman> and thats the holy grail in acceptance
[05:13] <Liz4rd> what would you say if i told you i did?
[05:13] <transgress> and as much as i love linux, i don't think it will be the one to overpower M$ if something does... apple seems to be doing a better job at pulling in people than linux... 
[05:14] <kkathman> I know you did..but the average person wont Liz4rd ...I love Linux and would love to see it expand AND stay open
[05:14] <kkathman> but that doesnt mean that I dont want mainstream development houses offer more commerical apps on LInux either
[05:14] <kkathman> you still have the choice, but give others the choice too :)
[05:15] <Liz4rd> :P acully i wanted to see what you would say. iNEED dreamweaver and photoshop and still i wont install M$ cuz its more fun here :D
[05:15] <transgress> commercial comes with a dick in your ass.  community doesn't.
[05:15] <Liz4rd> oh thats good!
[05:15] <Liz4rd> :P
[05:15] <kkathman> transgress: ok..but with that mentality, Linux will never be anything but a hobbiest playground
[05:16] <transgress> kkathman: really?  because it seems to be more than that right now
[05:16] <kkathman> its not
[05:16] <transgress> you're wrong
[05:16] <kkathman> no...I have the stats
[05:16] <transgress> go take a look at the OSS operating systems on netcraft
[05:16] <kkathman> <1% of the world market?
[05:16] <kkathman> I think thats pretty poor
[05:16] <Liz4rd> OMG! no one told me i was a statistic
[05:16] <transgress> on desktops yes... but the fact is that you can try to make it as user friendly as you want... people aren't using windows because it is user friendly
[05:17] <kkathman> just giving factual evidence Liz4rd  :)
[05:17] <transgress> because it isn't
[05:17] <transgress> people are using windows because it's a fucking monopoly
[05:17] <kkathman> no...thats not what I said...I said that <1% of the worlds OS installs are Linux
[05:17] <transgress> and they don't have any _real_ _viable_ options most of the time... sure there are a couple lappies on hp's site, and dells site... 
[05:17] <kkathman> true..I agree ...so what are you going to do to change the paradigm?
[05:17] <transgress> kkathman: and i said go look at the stats on linux servers versus windows servers on netcraft... and toss in bsd while you're are there
[05:18] <kkathman> computers and OS's are driven by the applications
[05:18] <transgress> and what applications are missing exactly from linux?
[05:18] <kkathman> oh please
[05:18] <transgress> please my ass... let me know...
[05:18] <transgress> we have an office of our own... one that doesn't run fucking virii from .doc files
[05:19] <transgress> we have multiple art programs... 
[05:19] <kkathman> the applications in the Linux world absolutely do not measure up yet and I think any honest person would agree
[05:19] <kkathman> but that doesnt mean that they arent usable
[05:19] <transgress> how so?
[05:19] <transgress> make me understand
[05:19] <Liz4rd> can youi guys pause? i have to pee
[05:19] <Liz4rd> :P
[05:19] <kkathman> lets skip things like word processing, spreadsheets etc
[05:20] <luke_> apps in linux aren't popular because they have no advertising, only word of mouth
[05:20] <transgress> i think the problem usually consist on people not wanting to learn the new interfaces because they have used MS Office
[05:20] <transgress> and kkathman i use word processing all the time... being a part time failing writer i have massive quantities of docs written in OOo
[05:20] <kkathman> cuz at least there are options. But what about open source business software.  There isnt a major corporation in the world that would run open source in mission critical applications
[05:20] <transgress> kkathman: umm... you're retarded.  major businesses are the main source of linux users on the market
[05:21] <kkathman> oh I agree on the office apps
[05:21] <kkathman> no, major businesses are a major user of SERVERS, not mission critical apps
[05:21] <transgress> that's leaving a big area
[05:21] <kkathman> and I think app servers are a great use for linux
[05:22] <kkathman> webservers too
[05:22] <kkathman> and they are low cost too...very attractive
[05:22] <kkathman> but
[05:22] <transgress> sure plenty of businesses run windows for their desktop workers... and most of them have staff on hand that do nothing but try and stop virii all day long
[05:22] <kkathman> not business critical software
[05:22] <transgress> business critical like what?
[05:22] <kkathman> no argument on the viruses
[05:22] <transgress> you say this like there are a set few apps that are required by businesses
[05:22] <Liz4rd> lol
[05:22] <kkathman> Accounting, Distribution, Planning, Logistics, Scheduling, etc
[05:23] <kkathman> no major business would choose open source for a mission critical app
[05:23] <kkathman> who do you call when something goes wrong?
[05:23] <kkathman> and it has to be fixed in 4 hours or less
[05:23] <transgress> and did you ever stop to think they aren't running linux for some of this stuff not because it might crash (because nothing crashes spontaneously on windows) but because as luke said, there is no advertising and there is a monopoly by windows
[05:23] <transgress> kkathman: you aren't familiar with RHEL are you?
[05:24] <transgress> or SuSE enterprise edition huh?
[05:24] <kkathman> well I am NOT saying that the climate isnt conducive
[05:24] <kkathman> I concede that
[05:24] <transgress> the two biggest linux companies around
[05:24] <transgress> the ones that pull in the most money
[05:24] <kkathman> YES I know..Im talking about APPLICATIONS...
[05:24] <transgress> that aren't just being used as servers
[05:24] <kkathman> I sell in that arena...and its a tough tough tough sell, sir I can tell you
[05:24] <Liz4rd> SuSE is doing great
[05:24] <kkathman> and yes Microsoft has a monopoly
[05:24] <Liz4rd> i love that distro
[05:25] <[freebsd> So like. I got the file copying section of the installation done with, after changing the harddrive. Now it hangs afterwards, where I beleive it's installing the Boot Manager. Its a Maxtor 41gb HD, very standard CD drive, 256mb ram, celeron 2.5ghz proc. Any ideas?
[05:25] <kkathman> and thats the problem for sure
[05:26] <kkathman> Im a realist thats all...and I wish to HELL that Linux would get on more desktops..and why it isnt... well I understand unfortunately. Now, that said, how can we CHANGE it
[05:26] <transgress> i mean you are sitting here telling me companies won'
[05:26] <transgress> t use linux because it isn't stable and might lose data
[05:26] <kkathman> no transgress I wanna know how we win those companies
[05:26] <transgress> but windows fucks up at all times doing just that
[05:26] <[freebsd> omfgz0r, running as root is safe
[05:26] <[freebsd> and you shouldnt NOT run as root
[05:26] <[freebsd> omgz0r
[05:26] <kkathman> but people have learned to live with the fuck ups :)
[05:26] <kkathman> its a way of life
[05:26] <kkathman> and you know that Linux crashes too, so dont give me that
[05:27] <transgress> the same way we have always stopped aristocracies... we tear them down by hand.  physically... it's always worked in history
[05:27] <kkathman> How do we SELL Linux to the world so it WILL buy it?
[05:27] <transgress> well we can go with apple's technique... put it in a shiney box
[05:27] <kkathman> thats simply not going to happen with Microsoft, the network is too big...too many dependencies
[05:27] <[freebsd> HEY
[05:27] <[freebsd> shut up.
[05:27] <kkathman> it has to start with kids
[05:27] <[freebsd> So like. I got the file copying section of the installation done with, after changing the harddrive. Now it hangs afterwards, where I beleive it's installing the Boot Manager. Its a Maxtor 41gb HD, very standard CD drive, 256mb ram, celeron 2.5ghz proc. Any ideas?
[05:28] <kkathman> lol [freebsd  ok
[05:28] <Liz4rd> DAMMIT freebsd its getting good
[05:28] <[freebsd> NO, YOU STFU!
[05:28] <[freebsd> ...
[05:28] <[freebsd> fix it bishes.
[05:28] <[freebsd> I switched to ubuntu to get debian-esque systemm with kde3.4.
[05:28] <Liz4rd> what mouth on you yong one
[05:28] <[freebsd> Now it won't work.
[05:29] <[freebsd> I've even tried sticking grub in by hand on a rescue shell via FreeBSD bootdisk
[05:29] <Liz4rd> :O YOU L337 MO FO
[05:29] <transgress> [freebsd: oh when i installed over freebsd (and debian for that matter) i had to clearn off my boot sector first
[05:29] <transgress> or it hunt
[05:29] <transgress> err hung
[05:29] <[freebsd> uhm.
[05:29] <[freebsd> hm.
[05:29] <[freebsd> specifics, bish.
[05:29] <Cybermagellan> How do you get right click on a Mac with Kubuntu?
[05:30] <Liz4rd> bish :translationg (i'm a fucking n00b... hear me roar)
[05:30] <transgress> i used dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda and some other crap to write zeros over it
[05:30] <transgress> if you do just the command i listed... well that's bad... so i wouldn't... 
[05:31] <[freebsd> hm.
[05:31] <Liz4rd> why did you suggest it then :P
[05:31] <transgress> because that's part of the command
[05:31] <Liz4rd> alright
[05:31] <[freebsd> hm.
[05:31] <transgress> i think the full command is dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1  but i'm not sure... WARNING THAT WILL FUCK UP YOUR SYSTEM IF YOU JUST DECIDE TO SEE WHAT IT DOES
[05:32] <[freebsd> hm.
[05:32] <[freebsd> fuck up my system
[05:32] <Liz4rd> sound good.. run along now
[05:32] <[freebsd> would it causes the HD to either A) fry, or B) be unformattable?
[05:32] <Liz4rd> mmmmmmm toy want frys or play games?
[05:32] <transgress> and anyways... my point was that linux isn't not a household name because it isn't usable or stable... because MS has that problem by far more than linux... it's problem is that MS has 95% of the market... already... and people don't like change.
[05:33] <transgress> [freebsd: no... it will most likely make it so you need to reinstall though
[05:33] <[freebsd> Well
[05:33] <luke_> people like to stick to what people knows good. people don't know whats good
[05:33] <[freebsd> Given that
[05:33] <transgress> all that does is write zeros over the first part of your system
[05:33] <[freebsd> Im installing it RIGHT NOW
[05:33] <[freebsd> so
[05:33] <[freebsd> like
[05:33] <[freebsd> seems like not a bad thing?
[05:33] <transgress> yeah
[05:33] <[freebsd> Sooo.
[05:33] <[freebsd> Should I or not.
[05:34] <transgress> i mean i've done it... and i accidentally had someone do it to 13 gigs of their hd because i forgot the count=1... umm you might wanna google that command and see if it is all there... but i'm pretty sure that is it
[05:34] <transgress> or get someone else (try #ubuntu) to verify that it will just write over the boot sector
[05:35] <[freebsd> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdc bs=512 count=1
[05:35] <[freebsd> for sure
[05:38] <transgress> so anyways... i need to go back to look at the suicidegirls
[05:38] <[freebsd> grow a penis.
[05:38] <Liz4rd> >:] 
[05:38] <[freebsd> ;}
[05:38] <[freebsd> mines leeter
[05:38] <Liz4rd> mhm and then you woke up
[05:38] <[freebsd> uhm
[05:38] <[freebsd> that didnt work
[05:44] <kanuha> can someone tell me what this means? checking for KDE... configure: error:
[05:44] <kanuha> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[05:44] <kanuha> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[05:49] <transgress> it means some kde files are missing
[05:49] <transgress> what are you trying to compile
[05:50] <kanuha> transgress, ktvschedule
[05:55] <_simple> damn i want sound!
[05:55] <Tm_T> damn I have sound
[05:55] <_simple> i'm more passionate "!"
[05:55] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[05:56] <_simple> no?
[05:56] <_simple> well i didn't know how to respond to that
[05:56] <Tm_T> heh
[05:57] <_simple> anyway anybody with onboard chipset..intel 915gv and got their stuff together
[06:01] <transgress> _simple: yeah i have onboard nforce3 sound on my lappy... it's working fine...
[06:01] <transgress> i just run all my crap through artsd and not alsa
[06:01] <Tm_T> transgress: nforce2 and I think I use alsa
[06:02] <Tm_T> dunno duncare
[06:03] <_simple> ah
[06:03] <_simple> well hoping crimsun  gets in soon 
[06:03] <Tm_T> =)
[06:03] <transgress> Tm_T: you can run multiple sounds as once with alsa on a card with no onboard mixer?  you using dmix?
[06:15] <Bicchi> Is there a problem with kde and the windows not been refresh at a good time. i seem to have a lot of ghosting when i move drag windows.
[06:16] <Bicchi> i am using the ati drivers but the problem also happens with the fglrx drivers. What could this be?
[06:16] <transgress> yeah it's pretty much just kde
[06:17] <Bicchi> so this is normal. i mean its way too much.
[06:17] <_simple> running the live cd?
[06:17] <Bicchi> no
[06:17] <_simple> that'll slow you down alot
[06:17] <_simple> ah
[06:17] <shiv> i installed some gdesklets in kubuntu but every time I restart the computer I have to reload all of them manually, any shorcuts?
[06:17] <Bicchi> ati radeon 9800 128mb
[06:17] <_simple> nevermind, my only input back to observatory
[06:19] <shiv> ??
[06:19] <shiv> i installed some gdesklets in kubuntu but every time I restart the computer I have to reload all of them manually, any shorcuts?
[06:20] <Tezkah> in KDE?
[06:20] <transgress> gdesklets?  in kubuntu?  wtf
[06:20] <transgress> use superkarmaba
[06:20] <shiv> they are working
[06:20] <shiv> though
[06:20] <transgress> use superkarmaba anyways... because kde isn't going to keep up with those...
[06:24] <_simple> man..everytime i adjust the clock to a time, it loads a "local timezone" that's not right
[06:24] <_simple> 8hours off
[06:24] <_simple> and now it won't let me in the date and time adjustment ?
[06:25] <transgress> why is your local time off?
[06:26] <_simple> i have no clue
[06:26] <Bicchi> i am not running kubuntu/kde, if i install ubuntu/gnome do i have to install the programs that i am allready using. 
[06:26] <transgress> didya try running base-config to correct it?
[06:26] <_simple> when i installed it, i choose the correct time zone
[06:26] <transgress> wtf are you running Bicchi 
[06:26] <Bicchi> sorry typo. I am now running kubuntu/kde, if i install ubuntu/gnome do i have to install the programs that i am allready using. 
[06:26] <sir-gold> Bicchi: probably
[06:26] <transgress> umm... depends
[06:27] <transgress> but yeah probably
[06:27] <sir-gold> you can just install gnome in kubuntu
[06:27] <transgress> and depending on what program it is, you may end up installing kde with it
[06:27] <sir-gold> you don't have to start over
[06:28] <Bicchi> will it use my xorg.conf or will it create a new one.
[06:28] <_simple> what would the konsole command be to bring up the date time adjustment, and what do i need to do to keep it current and what i set :/
[06:28] <transgress> it'll use the current one
[06:29] <sir-gold> _simple: do you have the correct timezone set?
[06:29] <_simple> it just says "local timezone" selected
[06:30] <_simple> and it's not letting me get into the date and time adjustment via right clicking the time panel and then putting in root pass
[06:30] <shiv> how do i install superkarmaba
[06:30] <_simple> just goes blank
[06:30] <_simple> well not blank nothing opens after that
[06:31] <_simple> BUT when i set the timezone on install..i chose "easter" for that's the correct one
[06:31] <sir-gold> _simple: im having the same problem
[06:32] <_simple> ahh
[06:32] <sir-gold> it asks for the password, and nothing happens after that
[06:32] <_simple> ):
[06:32] <_simple> so i was going to try a bash command to start it as root
[06:32] <_simple> or i guess let me login to "control center" as root and change it from there
[06:33] <_simple> or i won't, sinec that's doing the same thing
[06:34] <shiv> how do i install superkarmaba
[06:36] <sir-gold> sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[06:40] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install superkarmaba
[06:40] <shiv> Reading package lists... Done
[06:40] <shiv> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:40] <shiv> E: Couldn't find package superkarmaba
[06:40] <shiv> :(
[06:40] <transgress> superkaramba
[06:40] <transgress> spell it right and it'll fidn it
[06:40] <transgress> find
[06:41] <transgress> ;)
[06:42] <shiv> cool
[06:42] <shiv> :)
[06:42] <transgress> happens to most of us\
[06:42] <shiv> now how do I run it?
[06:43] <transgress> it's in the menu
[06:43] <transgress> under utilities
[06:43] <shiv> got it
[06:43] <transgress> you need a theme
[06:43] <shiv> ya
[06:44] <shiv> thanks
[06:45] <shiv> I will play with it later
[06:45] <shiv> goodnight all
[06:45] <shiv> Bye
[06:45] <_simple> that's what his mom told me :/
[06:45] <_simple> or her father..
[06:45] <transgress> shiv is so not like me... i have to wait after i say goodbye because i measure my self worth by how many people tell me bye
[06:45] <transgress> ;)
[06:46] <_simple> i count the <3's
[06:46] <_simple> write them down in my diary, and count them like sheep
[06:46] <_simple> they cuddle me to bed
[06:47] <_simple> er, it's getting creepy now, sorry
[06:48] <_simple> and i only do two of those really
[06:48] <_simple> your pick!
[07:15] <Bicchi> To what  do you attribute the big amount of ghosting that shows up on the screen when i drag windows around the desktop. It looks the same in kde as in gnome. I am using a dual monitor setup and i even have tried using the fglrx drivers and doesn't improve anything.
[07:17] <transgress> god it needs to be the morning soon
[07:19] <transgress> hey anyone know if job experience helps with college applications?
[07:25] <sirukin> http://neworder.box.sk/forum.php?did=multUnix%2FLinux%2FBSD&thread=221747
[07:25] <sirukin> hmm
[07:25] <sirukin> what do you all think?
[07:25] <sirukin> http://damage.tigris.org
[07:27] <transgress> sirukin: i don't really agree... i think rpm's have had a helluva time... and there are ways to manage packages for each type of system... is called source... but choice is what linux is all about... saying we should limit the choices is asinine
[07:27] <sirukin> I'm not saying choices should be limited
[07:27] <sirukin> but some way for users new to linux should really have a choice in whether or not they wish to compile from source or not
[07:28] <sirukin> I dislike the idea of forcing my grandmother to enter ./configure && make && sudo make install whenever she wants to use some new software I reccomend she try.
[07:36] <sir-gold> forcing people to use souce is a result of offering a choice, like choice of distro or chioce of kernel, because different distros use a different directory layout, and some apps use kernel modules which are kenel specific
[07:37] <sir-gold> if you have to maintain rpm or deb compatability, it limits the choices
[07:37] <sir-gold> that said, i hate compiling from source too
[07:38] <sirukin> I enjoy having the source there, I just do not enjoy digging through vendor specific dependacies.
[07:38] <sirukin> just to compile anything.
[07:38] <sirukin> the point of choice is that you chose what works, not the other way around.
[07:38] <sirukin> choose*
[07:40] <sir-gold> i feel that if at any point you have to use a terminal to use linux, then linux has failed as a majority desktop OS
[07:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> sir-gold absolutely true
[07:41] <sir-gold> which is why i like kubuntu because using the terminal can be avoided for the most part
[07:41] <sirukin> yeah, I want to extend the functionality of not only Ubuntu, but of other distrobutions
[07:41] <sirukin> we'll soon find out if it's a good idea or not in the interest it recieves.
[07:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think one of the most important things lacking in the linux desktop, as cheesy as this might sound, is a nice gui user switcher/screensaver like in WinXP and OSX.  GDM should be set up to launch new logins in new xservers.  When a login goes to screensaver, it should return to the gdm upon input.
[07:43] <sir-gold> i have been recommending kubuntu to everyone who is thinking about linux
[07:43] <sirukin> :)
[07:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde sucks
[07:43] <sirukin> no!!!!!
[07:43] <sirukin> KDE is the way an opensource window manager is run.
[07:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's so ugly.  i tried it a couple of weeks ago and just couldn't deael with it.
[07:43] <sirukin> it's the gold standard.
[07:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think gnome is 1000 times better.
[07:43] <sirukin> it's not pretty, but it works and is simple.
[07:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> so much more sleek looking and intuitive.
[07:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> i guess it's simple in the way windows is simple.
[07:44] <sirukin> ha
[07:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> the way my brain works, gnome just feels easier and more intuitive.
[07:44] <sirukin> well, have fun writing a new application for gnome
[07:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> like osx seems hard for me because it doesn't just do what i want it to.
[07:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't get rid of the dock.
[07:44] <sirukin> and I'll laugh when I get any projects I'm working on in qt done two times as faster.
[07:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't make it so that menubars are in their windows instead of at the top of the screen.
[07:45] <sir-gold> gnome completely lacks a menu editor by default, i don't call that easy
[07:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> you edit the text files.
[07:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> very straightforward.
[07:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> however, when you upgrade that gets written over.  that does suck, true.
[07:45] <sir-gold> edit text files? see previous statement about failing as a majority OS
[07:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> like i hate how things are named "text editor" instead of "GEDIT".  But when i change it, it just gets written over again the next time i upgrade.
[07:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> that drives me absolutely bananas.
[07:46] <sirukin> it's like compiling every application and every facet of your system from source.
[07:46] <sirukin> after a point it becomes assine
[07:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah.  absolutely true.
[07:46] <sir-gold> BROKEN_LADDER:  kde lets you set how stuff is named, you can show as name or as description
[07:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> a lot of linux enthusiasts think that, just because you have the intelligence to do complicated time-consuming stuff in linux, you should.  and people who can't shouldn't use linux.
[07:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> an os should make you productive, not be a hobby in and of itself.
[07:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> sir-gold the problem i'm talking about affects kde too.
[07:47] <sirukin> I recall a post on slashdot (<3, I'm a fanboy), which pointed quite truthfully that not everyone is a Linux zealot and cannot optimize every system a company or individual/group owns to "run faster".
[07:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's because the actual .desktop files are mis-named.
[07:47] <sirukin> sometimes the "it just works" idiom finds it's mark.
[07:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, i'd prefer, on the whole, a system like what gentoo has, whereby you have source that gets compiled from packages that tell your system everything to do with automation.
[07:48] <sir-gold> heh 'it just works' is the new microsoft slogan
[07:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> yup.
[07:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> it would be more accurate if they said, "it just doesn't work" or "it just sucks"
[07:49] <sir-gold> BROKEN_LADDER: for the most part, it does just work in windows, because nobody can afford to have it not work, not when 90% of the world uses windows
[07:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> sort of true.
[07:49] <luke_> gee screw gentoo
[07:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i've had a lot of experiences in windows trying to do something that would "just work" in linux.
[07:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> like just delete a file, even if it's being used.
[07:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> "file is in use"  dammit, i don't care..just delete it!
[07:50] <sir-gold> you can't just ship a broken driver for windows, but ATI for example has no problem shipping broken linux drivers
[07:50] <Liz4rd> :P
[07:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> i loved how in beos you could rename a file and move it around different directories while it was being written to.
[07:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol.  they do that?
[07:51] <sir-gold> BROKEN_LADDER: the official ATI drivers don't support xinerama, so they made thier own hack for dual monitors
[07:51] <sir-gold> KDE behaves very nicely with xinerama but not with the ati hack
[07:52] <sir-gold> i spent 4 days trying to get dual monitors to work before finding this out
[07:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah, that's the kind of stuff that can drive you bonkers in linux.
[07:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> i had to go through hell with xorg.conf with this installation yesterday, because of my intel extreme 2 graphics.
[07:53] <sir-gold> xinerama and DRI are incompatable, so ati decided that people would definately want dri instead, so they wrote the drivers to force dri even if you told X not to use it
[07:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> when is xchat going to store workspace in sessions?
[07:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's so annoying how it always starts up on workspace 1 and i have to move it to ws 2
[07:54] <sir-gold> virtual workspaces?
[08:03] <Liz4rd> blah blah blah blah    blah balhblah ...........bah
[08:03] <sirukin_> lol
[08:04] <Liz4rd> i knew that would get someones attention
[08:04] <Liz4rd> :P
[08:04] <Liz4rd> whast up
[08:04] <Liz4rd> man i'm bored
[08:04] <Liz4rd> what time is it in sirukin_ville?
[08:04] <luke_> can you have apache going as a service and not be logged into the computer?
[08:05] <Liz4rd> luke_
[08:05] <Liz4rd> hi
[08:05] <Liz4rd> MUUHAHAHA YOU THOUGHT I WOULD HELP YOU
[08:05] <Liz4rd> i dont know
[08:06] <Liz4rd> and everyone els is eating pie please ask agian later
[08:06] <luke_> lol
[08:06] <sirukin_> hmm
[08:06] <sirukin_> Liz4rd, it's 12:06 am
[08:06] <Liz4rd> same
[08:06] <luke_> 6:06pm
[08:07] <luke_> and my cpu is at 40 degrees
[08:07] <sirukin> yummy
[08:07] <luke_> yay!
[08:07] <Liz4rd> lol dont you feel special :D
[08:07] <luke_> hehe yes lol
[08:07] <sirukin> haha
[08:08] <Liz4rd> i have to go do my funny round on all the other channels (i'm only here for comic releaf)
[08:08] <luke_> how do you do the action thingi? when it doesn't show your name?
[08:08] <sirukin> /me
[08:08] <Liz4rd> you type /me then whater
[08:08] <Liz4rd> rawr
[08:09] <sirukin> http://www.iloveegg.com/index.asp
[08:09] <sirukin> mwuhaha
[08:09] <Liz4rd> i like this channel :D expect me to come in and say stupid meaningless random shit from timeto time
[08:09] <luke_> goodie..
[08:09] <Liz4rd> :)
[08:09] <Liz4rd> come on you all loved my pie
[08:10] <luke_> whats with the eggs?
[08:10] <Liz4rd> are they green?
[08:10] <luke_> no and theres no ham
[08:10] <Liz4rd> LIEK THE BOOKS TELL IT!?!?!?! *glossy eyes*
[08:10] <Liz4rd> :(
[08:10] <luke_> :(
[08:10] <Liz4rd> fine
[08:10] <luke_> haha
[08:10] <Liz4rd> :D
[08:11] <Liz4rd> i should go bug my family from there movie :P
[08:11] <Liz4rd> pop downstairs and be like OMH POOPIE then run back upstairs
[08:11] <Liz4rd> OMG*
[08:11] <luke_> lol
[08:11] <luke_> you're a strange one
[08:11] <Liz4rd> i'v done it befor 
[08:12] <Liz4rd> :) thats what my mommy tells me everyday
[08:12] <Liz4rd> the nhands me my cokkie
[08:12] <Liz4rd> cookie8
[08:12] <luke_> hahahaha
[08:12] <Liz4rd> luke_ 8 p p
[08:12] <Liz4rd> LMFAO
[08:12] <Liz4rd> say it out loud
[08:13] <luke_> should I use my 40gig in the server? or 2 3 gigs in the server and have a 40gig for meee
[08:13] <Liz4rd> i uploaded 13 gigs today by leaving bittorrent running
[08:13] <luke_> hmm
[08:14] <Liz4rd> i dont have one
[08:14] <Liz4rd> how old is everyone in here
[08:14] <luke_> I'm 16
[08:14] <Liz4rd> OMG ME TOO
[08:14] <luke_> :o
[08:15] <Liz4rd> LIEK DUDE WE ROXORZZZ
[08:15] <luke_> hahahaa
[08:15] <Liz4rd> :P
[08:15] <Liz4rd> i'm on slackware tho
[08:15] <luke_> where you from? and why are you here if you're on slackware?
[08:15] <luke_> :p
[08:15] <Liz4rd> canada and cuz i dont get kicked for talking about stupid shit in here
[08:16] <luke_> haha
[08:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> can anyone give me any advice on getting an optical digital out to work with my on-board audio?
[08:16] <Liz4rd> O
[08:16] <Liz4rd> O_o
[08:16] <luke_> Liz4rd: why not change to kubuntu ;)
[08:16] <Liz4rd> its in the mail ;)
[08:17] <luke_> excelent! I have 20 in the mail because I can
[08:17] <Liz4rd> lol!!!
[08:17] <Liz4rd> me... only 3
[08:17] <luke_> I have no idea what I'll do with them
[08:17] <Liz4rd> where you from?
[08:17] <luke_> new zealand
[08:17] <Liz4rd> sweet i know a guy form there
[08:17] <luke_> me?
[08:17] <Liz4rd> OMG GET OUT OF MY HEAD
[08:18] <luke_> hahahaha
[08:18] <Liz4rd> :P
[08:18] <Liz4rd> god msn or someshit liek that?
[08:18] <Liz4rd> got*
[08:18] <luke_> yesm
[08:18] <Liz4rd> OMG
[08:18] <Liz4rd> cool
[08:18] <luke_> gaim haha
[08:18] <Liz4rd> :P
[08:18] <Liz4rd> use jabber?
[08:18] <luke_> naw
[08:19] <Liz4rd> aim?
[08:19] <Liz4rd> msn?
[08:19] <Liz4rd> WHAT ONE MAN
[08:19] <luke_> msn yup
[08:19] <Liz4rd> wtf is your email then 
[08:19] <Liz4rd> jesus get with it
[08:21] <luke_> whats dcc chat?
[08:21] <sirukin> direct conversation
[08:21] <luke_> okie dokie
[08:21] <sirukin> not going through the irc server.
[08:21] <sirukin> the server handles the negotiation however.
[08:22] <luke_> yup
[08:22] <luke_> liz4rd::
[08:22] <Liz4rd> yeah
[08:22] <luke_> did you get my message?
[08:22] <Liz4rd> yes
[08:22] <Liz4rd> hold on singing in
[08:22] <luke_> alrighty
[08:23] <Liz4rd> alright added
[08:23] <luke_> yesm
[08:23] <Liz4rd> and talking man
[08:24] <luke_> hey everyone go to http://saturdayday.cjb.net
[08:26] <Liz4rd> who are you in those?
[08:27] <luke_> horns
[08:27] <Liz4rd> WTF ARE YOU FUCKING WIERDOS UP TO?????
[08:27] <Liz4rd> :P
[08:27] <Liz4rd> whos the ckick in the red dress?
[08:28] <sirukin> I'm defending my project.
[08:28] <Liz4rd> shes got some boobs
[08:28] <luke_> lol
[08:28] <Liz4rd> is saterday day FUCKING HOMOSEXUAL DAY?
[08:29] <Liz4rd> YOUR ALL SO FUCKING  COLORFUL
[08:29] <Liz4rd> please do tell
[08:29] <Liz4rd> are you fay?
[08:29] <luke_> lol
[08:29] <Liz4rd> gay*
[08:29] <luke_> no
[08:29] <Liz4rd> no for real
[08:29] <Liz4rd> what are you guys doing then?
[08:29] <Liz4rd> why are you ...dressed up liek that
[08:30] <luke_> we just went into town for some fun
[08:30] <Tm_T> ehm
[08:30] <Liz4rd> dressed like that?
[08:30] <luke_> awesome fun
[08:30] <Liz4rd> or is that your normal clothing
[08:30] <luke_> lol no
[08:30] <Liz4rd> lol ok good
[08:31] <Liz4rd> you had me worried
[08:31] <luke_> :p it was something to do. town is fun, and it's more fun dressed up weird with a bunch of mates
[08:31] <Liz4rd> lol i bet
[08:32] <luke_> :D
[08:32] <Liz4rd> is this every saterday?
[08:32] <luke_> nah, only had 3
[08:32] <Liz4rd> cool
[08:33] <luke_> hasn't happened since I got arrested hahahaha
[08:33] <Liz4rd> who was taking pictures?
[08:34] <luke_> whoever isn't in the photo?
[08:34] <Liz4rd> oh
[08:34] <luke_> the 3 at the bottom is of all of us, timer
[08:35] <Liz4rd> were peopel around you like ....wtf
[08:35] <luke_> yes
[08:35] <luke_> haha
[08:35] <Liz4rd> lol i have to try this 
[08:35] <Liz4rd> i think i know the perfect people who would do this with me
[08:35] <luke_> you should, it's so much fun
[08:36] <Liz4rd> but we would go into buildings and companie places
[08:36] <Liz4rd> OH!!! WERE GONNA GO TO EVERYSCHOOL WE FI?ND AND RUN THREW THERE HALLWAYS
[08:36] <Liz4rd> MUUHAHAHAH
[08:36] <luke_> lol
[08:36] <Liz4rd> gid dammit its just you and me talking....
[08:36] <luke_> we went into malls and stuff once, and once we bought a tub of icecream and my teacher saw me
[08:37] <Liz4rd> the next OTHER person who talks gets pie
[08:37] <luke_> o0o pie
[08:37] <Liz4rd> lol what she do
[08:37] <luke_> I said hi, she tried to ignore me muahahaha
[08:37] <Liz4rd> lol
[08:38] <luke_> stupid fishbones
[08:39] <Liz4rd> wtf?
[08:39] <Liz4rd> lol
[08:39] <Liz4rd> oops was that an insult?
[08:40] <luke_> lol
[08:40] <Liz4rd> GOD DAMMIT!!!
[08:40] <luke_> nah I had fish
[08:42] <_luke_> how long will ubuntu cds take to get in new zealand?
[08:42] <Diablo-D3> awhile
[08:42] <Liz4rd> i dont know they havnt reached canada yet
[08:42] <_luke_> like a few weeks?
[08:42] <Liz4rd> OMG HE GETS PIE
[08:42] <_luke_> lol
[08:43] <Liz4rd> man i'm bored
[08:43] <Liz4rd> :O luck transgress isnt looking at his fucking terminal
[08:43] <Liz4rd> lucky*
[08:43] <_luke_> does he like gentoo?
[08:44] <Liz4rd> OR ELS HE WOULD SEE ME CALLING HIM A PUSYY AND A FACKTARD
[08:44] <Liz4rd> yeah 
[08:44] <_luke_> gentoo's good, I just can't be bothered with it
[08:44] <Liz4rd> lol
[08:44] <Liz4rd> i like slackware for now
[08:44] <Liz4rd> its done nothing but good so meh
[08:44] <_luke_> oo how do you restart the entire network interface diablo_d3?
[08:45] <_luke_> I've heard good about slacks
[08:45] <Liz4rd> go to ##slackware and say phrag can toss my salad and leave
[08:46] <_luke_> I think I'll stay and see what happens
[08:46] <Liz4rd> lol alright
[08:47] <_luke_> someone else agrees
[08:47] <Liz4rd> LMFAO!!!
[08:47] <_luke_> :p
[08:48] <Trickyphillips> :)
[08:48] <Liz4rd> but gonna go see ya later luke i'll be on here tomorrow and on msn
[08:48] <_luke_> hey it's you
[08:48] <Liz4rd> me?
[08:48] <Liz4rd> whos you
[08:48] <Liz4rd> i mean me
[08:48] <Liz4rd> WTF
[08:48] <_luke_> trickyphillips
[08:48] <Liz4rd> oh
[08:49] <Trickyphillips> Lol.
[08:49] <_luke_> hes in slackware
[08:49] <Liz4rd> he the one who agreeD?
[08:49] <_luke_> yeah
[08:49] <Liz4rd> nice
[08:49] <Trickyphillips> ;)
[08:49] <_luke_> cya liz4rd
[08:50] <Liz4rd> anyway i had to do that
[08:50] <Liz4rd> later
[08:50] <_luke_> cu
[08:50] <Liz4rd> i will leave irssi on but ima leave
[08:51] <_luke_> mk
[08:53] <_luke_> anyone know how to restart the entire network interface?
[08:57] <judax> .../etc/init.d/networking restart
[09:32] <bdmp> Can some one answer this question? this is my second time trying to install wireless.  I did the command"root@chibi:/home/bdmp/windows_drivers # ndiswrapper -i /windows_drivers/bcmwl5.inf
[09:32] <bdmp>  " and it said,"bcmwl5 is already installed. Use -e to remove it
[09:32] <bdmp>  ". Does that mean that the command that I should do to remove the old file is" # ndiswrapper -e /windows_drivers/bcmwl5.inf
[09:32] <bdmp>  "? The file has the same name but it is actually different I think.
[10:24] <piotr> hi all
[10:24] <piotr> is there no kget included in kde 3.4?
[10:25] <stuNNed> will kubuntu run on a celeron 600
[10:25] <Diablo-D3> hah
[10:25] <Diablo-D3> I've tried it on a p133
[10:25] <Diablo-D3> I had to cram more memory in it, but it ran fast
[10:25] <piotr> kaffeine says that there are no w32codecs. is it better to download them from mplayer homepage and unpack it or install mplayer from the repository
[10:25] <Diablo-D3> piotr: you probably wont need them anyhow
[10:25] <piotr> thats what is said in the rest.format howto
[10:26] <piotr> Diablo-D3: hm. why not?
[10:26] <Diablo-D3> piotr: the only time you actually need them is if you're playing wmv8/9/10 or qt4/5/6 stuff
[10:26] <stuNNed> sounds good i have a box just sitting there so i will go for it
[10:26] <Diablo-D3> most of the time you're going to be playing mpeg2 or 4 or something else ffmpeg knows
[10:26] <piotr> Diablo-D3: got a movie which worked only when I installed directx under windows
[10:27] <piotr> 2000
[10:27] <piotr> it was made with a program for a webcam.... strange format
[10:28] <piotr> Diablo-D3: are there some other divx codecs installed by default?
[10:29] <piotr> the floppy drive under media doesnt work properly
[10:29] <Diablo-D3> heh
[10:29] <Diablo-D3> xvid and dvix are both mpeg4.
[10:29] <piotr> and its already installed? i dont know
 most of the time you're going to be playing mpeg2 or 4 or something else ffmpeg knows
[10:30] <piotr> ok I installed ffmpeg so this should be enough, right?
[10:30] <da_bon_bon> hey, anyone from india out here ?
[10:31] <Diablo-D3> piotr: everything installed with kaffiene has it
[10:31] <piotr> Diablo-D3: ok; dont use kaffeine.. :)
[10:31] <piotr> ok the movie doesnt work..
[10:31] <piotr> is there a possibility for kaffeine to check out what kind of encryption it uses?
[10:31] <Diablo-D3> whats the movie, btw?
[10:31] <piotr> the movie..
[10:32] <Diablo-D3> I mean, is it an .asf or a .mov or what?
[10:32] <piotr> .avi made with windows program for a web cam
[10:32] <piotr> but it worked under win2k only after installing directx; ffmpeg was not enough
[10:32] <piotr> so I have no idea what strange codec it is
[10:33] <Diablo-D3> piotr: its probably not supported
[10:33] <Diablo-D3> _though_
[10:33] <piotr> Diablo-D3: oh no..
[10:33] <Diablo-D3> it could be a proprietary mjpeg codec
[10:33] <Diablo-D3> which means you're very screwed
[10:33] <piotr> my best friends files need to be supported :)
[10:33] <piotr> yeah
[10:33] <piotr> it is some kind of mjpeg
[10:34] <piotr> you are right.. now I remember
[10:34] <Diablo-D3> unless you can get the win32 codec for it working in w32codec support, you're screwed.
[10:34] <piotr> ok..
[10:34] <Diablo-D3> ffmpeg does have a mjpeg decoeder, btw
[10:34] <piotr> or I get some mplayer guys to hack it :)
[10:34] <Diablo-D3> but all mjpeg decoders are not created equally.
[10:34] <piotr> ok
[10:34] <Diablo-D3> so files encoded by one wont be decoded by another
[10:34] <Diablo-D3> its really retarded how that works
[10:35] <piotr> yes
[10:35] <piotr> and why is there no kget under kde 3.4?
[10:35] <stuNNed> can i get xmms to play .asx file stremed frm win2k3
[10:36] <Diablo-D3> piotr: dunno
[10:36] <stuNNed> k
[10:36] <piotr> Diablo-D3: why this nick name?
[10:37] <Diablo-D3> its a unqiue.
[10:37] <piotr> alright
[10:38] <piotr> anybody knows what to do to improve skype audio quality behind a linux router
[10:38] <Diablo-D3> theres howtos for that all over the internet
[10:38] <piotr> yeah
[10:38] <piotr> didnt find them :D
[10:38] <Diablo-D3> heh
[10:39] <piotr> but I changed some rules myseld
[10:39] <Diablo-D3> google: skype linux
[10:39] <piotr> ok. let me check out
[10:40] <piotr> alright 7 pages and nothing
[10:40] <piotr> some other keyword
[10:42] <brosio> i can't play mp3 with noatun it works only with file .ogg... if i play mp3 it crashes... xmms works good! maybe it's an artsd problem ?
[10:42] <piotr> they say on skype.com that all ports need to be open thats not much of a help
[10:45] <piotr> does it work with amarok?
[10:48] <brosio> piotr, yes
[10:49] <stuNNed> can someone tell me weather kubuntu or ubuntu has any advantages?
[10:51] <stuNNed> question what are you running?
[10:53] <sladen> nomikos: pong.  but you're not here
[10:55] <sladen> stuNNed: the core is the same and they use the same APT archive.  However, the stuff on the top is your personal preference.  If you're in doubt probably got for Ubuntu since you can get free CDs for that already and the primary development focus is there.
[10:55] <sladen> stuNNed: it's down to you, do you prefer KDE, or GNOME.  If you don't have a preference, go Ubuntu
[10:55] <stuNNed> well that does not seem to be a very popular question but I am trying to figure out what will work on my p3 celeron
[10:58] <stuNNed> sladen: thanks for the responce ubuntu is looling good for me at the moment that's most likly what i will go with
[11:02] <[implosion] > stuNNed: sup?  how's it going?
[11:03] <stuNNed> well I am not hom yet I just wanted to be ready for the insatll...I will go with Ubuntu 
[11:04] <[implosion] > schweet
[11:04] <[implosion] > kde or gnome?
[11:04] <stuNNed> i like gnome but i like all the features in kde but im not sure the celeron can handel kde
[11:05] <[implosion] > yeah would be cool if there were like gnome-extras or something for more configurabililty
[11:06] <piotr> where does kaffeine look fot the w32codecs by default?
[11:06] <stuNNed> for sure then i would be an gnome man all the way
[11:06] <[implosion] > just make sure and add your 'hoary-extras' repos for the evil codecs, stuNNed ;)
[11:07] <[implosion] > piotr: what is kaffeine again?  sounds interesting.
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> hoary-extras?
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> [implosion] : kaffiene is 'kde xine'
[11:07] <[implosion] > Diablo-D3: restrictedformats and all that
[11:07] <[implosion] > Diablo-D3: oh ok thanks
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> [implosion] : just with a far less sucky gui
[11:07] <stuNNed> thanks...
[11:07] <[implosion] > yeah what's up with xine's gui, it is the crap.
[11:07] <piotr> implosion:movie player
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> well, xine isnt exactly cluecentral
[11:08] <[implosion] > Diablo-D3: not an mplayer fan?
[11:08] <Diablo-D3> [implosion] : I am
[11:08] <piotr> Diablo-D3: you know where kaffeine looks for codecs (w32) or can I configure that without recompiling?
[11:08] <Diablo-D3> piotr: something like /usr/lib/win32
[11:08] <Diablo-D3> its the same place mplayer looks for them
[11:08] <[implosion] > that is standard for the evil codecs, no
[11:08] <piotr> I got /usr/lib/w32codecs
[11:08] <piotr> will try different names
[11:09] <Diablo-D3> so, hrm
[11:09] <Diablo-D3> [implosion] : is hoary-extras aka as something?
[11:09] <buz> min live in /usr/lib/win32
[11:09] <buz> xine finds them
[11:09] <[implosion] > Diablo-D3: it's for the restricted formats all i use it for
[11:09] <piotr> thanks buz
[11:09] <Diablo-D3> because I already have main, restricted, universe, and multiverse
[11:09] <buz> but apt dist-upgrade
[11:09] <[implosion] > Diablo-D3: something like: ## Hoary extras (restricted formats)
[11:09] <Diablo-D3> and hoary-security for main and restricted
[11:10] <[implosion] > deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[11:10] <buz> removed vlc for some reason today
[11:10] <Diablo-D3> buz: never use dist-upgrade unless you're dist upgrading
[11:10] <[implosion] > Diablo-D3: be warned, it does come from backports but built in Hoary
[11:10] <Diablo-D3> dist-upgrade can do very bad things, like remove packages
[11:11] <buz> i'll do a clean setup in a few days when my new motherboard arrives anyhow
[11:11] <[implosion] > built on Hoary rather
[11:12] <Diablo-D3> so is hoary-backports and hoary-extras worth using?
[11:12] <Diablo-D3> ahh, wait, I see what it is now
[11:12] <Diablo-D3> debian experimentalish.
[11:13] <Diablo-D3> er, rather I misread that
[11:14] <Diablo-D3> -staging is
[11:16] <[implosion] > Diablo-D3: i've seen ubuntu dev's frown upon it a many times.
[11:16] <Diablo-D3> well, yeah, duh
[11:16] <Diablo-D3> debian debs frown on people using experimental
[11:16] <[implosion] > why the duh? 
[11:16] <Diablo-D3> it can, and will, fuck your box up
[11:17] <[implosion] > sure hope not, fsck, will have to go back to marillat ;)
[11:19] <Diablo-D3> so whats interesting in hoary-backports and hoary-extras?
[11:24] <Diablo-D3> ooh they have faac, faad, and lame for gstreamer in extras
[11:26] <Choubaka> they have java there too, don't they?
[11:26] <Diablo-D3> yeah
[11:51] <_luke> is it possible to install ubuntu, then install kde and remove gnome?
[11:51] <Diablo-D3> you cant remove gnome, no
[11:51] <Diablo-D3> not that gnome takes up much space anyhow
[11:51] <_luke> yeah true.
[11:52] <_luke> and is there a way to have apache running without being logged in?
[11:52] <Diablo-D3> yeah, install it.
[11:52] <Diablo-D3> the apache debs come with an init.d script
[11:52] <_luke> ok, so they start up with the computer if you want it to
[11:53] <Diablo-D3> yup
[11:53] <_luke> cool
[11:54] <_luke> well I'm off, cya
[11:56] <brosio>  exist a repository for win32codecs for x86_64 ???
[11:57] <Diablo-D3> brosio: ... dude, you do realize win32 codecs are closed source, right?
[11:58] <brosio> Diablo-D3, yes but i always use on deb
[11:58] <brosio> they are on deb repository
[11:58] <brosio> for i386
[11:58] <Diablo-D3> brosio: you do realize you cant use i386 debs on an x86_64 distro, right?*
[11:59] <Diablo-D3> * you can, but you cant here
[11:59] <brosio> Diablo-D3, u are little stupid
[11:59] <brosio> i ask for x86_64
[11:59] <brosio> not for i386
[11:59] <Diablo-D3> And you don't speak English.
[11:59] <Diablo-D3> brosio: win32 codecs _can't run on x86_64_
[11:59] <brosio> u make me a stupid question then i answer
[11:59] <Diablo-D3> we don't have the source to recompile them with
[12:00] <Choubaka> brosio: there are no win32codecs for 64 biy.
[12:00] <Diablo-D3> its like asking why windows software doesn't work on macs
[12:00] <Choubaka> you need win64codecs, which do not exist yet.
[12:00] <brosio> but i think tha winxp64 is out i think that they made...
[12:00] <Diablo-D3> because even if you could emulate like wine does, ia32 software can't run on ppc.
[12:00] <Diablo-D3> no one supports NT5-64, brosio 
[12:00] <brosio> ok so
[12:00] <brosio> thx for explaination
[12:01] <Choubaka> I think you could possiblu hack together a QEMU layer for those win32codecs.
[12:01] <Choubaka> but it would be non-trivial, and _SLOW_
[12:01] <Diablo-D3> Choubaka: and evil
[12:02] <Choubaka> yes :P
[12:10] <brosio> can i add i386 repositoty to my x86_64 ubuntu
[12:10] <brosio> and install i386 package ?
[12:10] <Choubaka> no,
[12:10] <brosio> or i need to do a chroot
[12:10] <brosio> for it ?
[12:10] <Choubaka> or you can, but it will not work.
[12:10] <Choubaka> do you have AMD?
[12:10] <brosio> yes
[12:10] <Diablo-D3> brosio: you simply cant execute those binaries
[12:10] <Choubaka> then you can possibly set up a 32bit environment.
[12:10] <Diablo-D3> Im not sure why w32codec support is even built on x86-64
[12:11] <buz> i very much doubt it
[12:11] <buz> there's still no win64 shipping
[12:11] <brosio> i do it on debian64
[12:11] <brosio> i've a chroote deb32
[12:11] <brosio> where i run skype
[12:11] <Diablo-D3> yeah, if you want ia32 versions of everything it works
[12:11] <brosio> and manyother 32bit application...
[12:11] <Choubaka> Do the same for ubuntu then. :)
[12:11] <Choubaka> and you will be able to use the w32codecs.
[12:11] <Diablo-D3> ia32 kde, ia32 xine, ia32 kaffiene
[12:12] <buz> i think i'll stick to x86 for the time being
[12:14] <brosio> but why they add software
[12:14] <brosio> 32bit in repository of x86_64
[12:14] <Diablo-D3> Ill be doing ia32 for awhile now
[12:15] <brosio> like openoffice
[12:15] <brosio> ?
[12:15] <Diablo-D3> brosio: thats probably the x86-64 build of it
[12:19] <Kojiro> ya des francais
[12:42] <mr_JT> Hallo, I would like to use kde instead of this gnome, but wanna delete gnome by my hands, not by Add and Remode programs(just experimenting with linux :P)and the then install kde, how could I do this? Where is any file filled with all the installed directories of gnome?
[12:46] <mindspin> hi, is there any way to remove kaffeine?
[01:14] <leo> does anybody have problems with his sounddrivers too?
[01:29] <morten> Wazzup ?
[01:40] <tuni> hi all
[01:40] <morten> aloha
[01:41] <tuni> you should include sk98lin in install CD
[01:41] <tuni> my network device was not recognized by default :/
[01:42] <morten> .... I never even tried to install my broadcom wireless thingie (not even sure what it's name is )
[01:44] <mdke> how do you configure your network with kubuntu?
[01:45] <morten> Hmm, Just tell it that I want to use DCHP :P
[01:46] <mdke> but how?
[01:46] <mdke> i'm helping a user in #ubuntu-it who gets an error from control center that he needs admin permissions
[01:46] <mdke> does control center not get sudo capabilities?
[01:47] <tuni> I installed sk98lin drivers then i had lines in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:47] <tuni> didnt use the control center
[01:48] <mdke> well this user is not going to be able to configure it by CLI
[01:48] <mdke> he needs gui
[01:49] <morten> .... erhm.. not sure
[01:49] <mdke> anyone?
[01:49] <mdke> this is pretty basic stuff
[01:49] <mdke> in Ubuntu the menu has a "gksudo network-admin" entry
[01:50] <morten> haven't had problems like that.... I if the controle center needs sudo-cabilities...(or what ever it's called) It noramlly just askes for my password
[01:50] <mdke> ok so it is set up to use sudo?
[01:51] <mdke> he obviously is not in sudoers i guess
[01:51] <morten> ... not sure (kinda newbie) but I think it will ask for sudo if it need "sudo"
[01:51] <mdke> thanks morten 
[02:05] <MindZEye> Is there anything like Synaptic that deals with source packages?
[02:07] <MindZEye> I'm thinking the way Fink gives you a source/binary install button.
[02:08] <Riddell> MindZEye: probably have to do  apt-get source kdelibs  on the command line
[02:09] <MindZEye> I did that with an Eclipse build, but it didn't get any of the dependencies, I don't want to spend half my afternoon building each thing by hand.
[02:10] <Kojiro> hello
[02:10] <tuni> somebody on #ubuntu-fr made an apt-get upgrade ! next tile he started his comp, he was on kde 3.4 and had no buttons
[02:10] <tuni> s/tile/time
[02:10] <tuni> :)
[02:12] <MindZEye> Weird.
[02:12] <tuni> how can he repair that ?
[02:17] <shiv> i just downloaded the sperkaramba it works fine, and I also downloaded the liquid weather thingy, HOW do I install it?
[02:26] <morten> you load it in superkaramba
[02:26] <morten> "start" -> run program -> superkaramaba....
[02:26] <morten> atleast thats how i did it :P
[02:28] <mikl> hmm, should one upgrade dbus....
[02:29] <morten> What is dbus anyway ?
[02:33] <mikl> It is an internal system message-bus, and the center of the so-called project utopia
[02:34] <mikl> which is what enables you to connect a USB-memory-stick to your computer and have it show up on your desktop automaticly
[02:34] <mikl> that's the short version, at any rate ;)
[02:44] <shiv> how do i know which version I have for superkaramba
[02:45] <msb> can you tell some application which i can use looking jpeg's
[02:45] <msb> konqueror sucks in that use
[02:46] <pv_> gwenview, gthumb
[02:54] <buz> is there a way to script konversation?
[02:55] <krodrig2> im installing kubuntu now is there anything i need to do to make everything play nice together
[03:03] <Riddell> krodrig2: make what work together
[03:04] <Riddell> msb: konqueror's gwenview part
[03:07] <msb> yeah.
[03:14] <transgress> anyone ever lay down, can't sleep, and eventually get up, but you can't tell if you ever actually slept or not?
[03:27] <viriatus> .
[03:28] <gdh> I think that says it all.
[03:37] <mikl> a bit like 42
[03:52] <lilwade> hey i was wanderin, im readin Kubuntu's website, and see that its PowerPC compatible.... what all does Kubuntu come with.... like ATI drivers, Java, or is that somethin you'll have to install like the other distro's cept xandros and mepis
[03:56] <spektr> I'd like to get konqueror to store my amazon password. But it does not work, because kwallet associates the password with the generated url, which changes with every login. Does anyone know a workaround?
[03:57] <transgress> eh you can get ati drivers from apt, java if you add a repo for it...
[04:20] <mr_JT> Hallo, I would like to use kde instead of this gnome, but wanna delete gnome by my hands, not by Add and Remode programs(just experimenting with linux :P)and the then install kde, how could I do this? Where is any file filled with all the installed directories of gnome?
[04:25] <Diablo-D3> mr_JT: you cant uninstall gnome.
[04:25] <Diablo-D3> mr_JT: not that you'd really want to, many useful programs rely on gnome libraries
[04:26] <mr_roboto> diablo: if you're running kde only, (after installing it!) can't you remove gnome via apt-get remove?
[04:26] <Diablo-D3> mr_roboto: nope
[04:26] <Diablo-D3> mr_roboto: uninstalling ubuntu-desktop doesnt uninstall anything it relies on
[04:26] <Diablo-D3> and its not that gnome uses a lot of space
[04:27] <transgress> you can uninstall gnome
[04:27] <transgress> it just takes some time and effort
[04:28] <mr_JT> why is that, I am new at linux, but really can't see any dependencies of gnome and whatever app.. If I install kde, it works with several apps as well ?!
[04:28] <mr_roboto> diablo: not talking about ubuntu-desktop but rather something like "apt-get remove gnome"   won't that take the dependencies too?
[04:28] <transgress> depending... removing the gnome or gnome-base package will probably remove the brunt of it
[04:28] <Diablo-D3> mr_roboto: nope
[04:28] <Diablo-D3> transgress: it wont
[04:28] <transgress> yes it will
[04:28] <transgress> i've done it
[04:28] <Diablo-D3> gnome is just a metapackage
[04:28] <transgress> so don't tell me it won't
[04:28] <transgress> gnome-base isn't
[04:28] <uniq> it won't.
[04:28] <Diablo-D3> it will remove the metapackage
[04:29] <pv_> There is no package named gnome-base.
[04:29] <Diablo-D3> there is no package called gnome-base
[04:29] <Diablo-D3> hah
[04:29] <pv_> Right.
[04:29] <Diablo-D3> #kubuntu, in stereo
[04:29] <Diablo-D3> mr_JT: apt-get doesnt automatically purge unused dependancies
[04:29] <Diablo-D3> mr_JT: you can also have both gnome and kde installed at the same time, and tell gdm/kdm that you want kde for your sessions from now on
[04:29] <transgress> herm you're right... what did i remove then...
[04:30] <transgress> give me a sec... let me start up my lappy
[04:30] <mr_roboto> does ANYTHING purge unused dependencies? some "dpkg" magic maybe?
[04:30] <transgress> no?
[04:30] <Diablo-D3> mr_roboto: 'yes'
[04:30] <uniq> mr_roboto: deborphan will list unused libs.
[04:30] <Diablo-D3> mr_roboto: deboprhan can
[04:30] <Diablo-D3> hah
[04:30] <uniq> but it all depends on the packages you've got installed.
[04:30] <Diablo-D3> will you people stop copying me!
[04:30] <pv_> Well, generally it is hard to tell which dependencies to remove. For example, you will not want to uninstall libc.
[04:30] <transgress> oh yeah... i always forget about that program... 
[04:30] <mr_JT> Diablo-D3 it's cool, but I don't want unnecessary stuff on :P
[04:31] <uniq> take a look at 'debfoster'
[04:31] <Diablo-D3> pv_: dpkg/apt-get/deboprhan know of all the packages that cant be removed
[04:31] <transgress> i'm definitely not on the ball this morning
[04:31] <Diablo-D3> infact they even make you jump through hoops to do it
[04:31] <pv_> Yes, I have used both.
[04:31] <Diablo-D3> mr_JT: its not much of a waste. If you have firefox installed, and actually use it, thats like half the gnome crap right there
[04:32] <transgress> would apt-get remove `deborphan` work in removing them?
[04:32] <Diablo-D3> something like a quarter of the stuff ubuntu-desktop pulls in, kubuntu-desktop also pulls in
[04:32] <Diablo-D3> transgress: \n seperated list, no
[04:32] <Diablo-D3> however, I bet you could xargs it
[04:32] <transgress> that's what i thought, but was hoping it could... 
[04:32] <pv_> \n-separated lists turn to ' '-separated in ` ... ` i think.
[04:32] <Diablo-D3> btw, an easy way to get rid of gnome methinks.....
[04:33] <Diablo-D3> get rid of gtk and glib.
[04:33] <Diablo-D3> and then deborphan to catch all the straglers
[04:33] <mr_JT> :P
[04:33] <mr_JT> ok thanks
[04:33] <Diablo-D3> remember, doing this while in gnome _will_ hose your X session.
[04:34] <Diablo-D3> it'll stab gdm in the face too
[04:34] <transgress> i think i might've removed gconf2 to take out the brunt of gnome...
[04:34] <transgress> still haven't started up my lappy to try and figure it out though
[04:34] <mr_JT> Just didn't think that's so serious situation, while there is definetely some distro's with only kde installe
[04:34] <mr_JT> d
[04:34] <Diablo-D3> transgress: yeah, but you're hard pressed to think of something gnomey that doesnt use gtk/glib
[04:35] <morten> ..... how do i make a screenshot ?
[04:35] <Diablo-D3> mr_JT: yeah, you can install kubuntu and get kubuntu-desktop
[04:35] <mr_JT> ok
[04:35] <Diablo-D3> mr_JT: but theres quite a few apps you're going to be using that will pull like half of gnome in anyhow
[04:35] <mr_JT> I see
[04:35] <mr_JT> thanks
[04:35] <transgress> i'm yet to have to pull in gnome on my system
[04:35] <transgress> any of gnome... only thing i've really missed is firefox
[04:36] <Diablo-D3> firefox and gimp pull in a few things
[04:36] <transgress> and that's only because some asshat compiled it badly
[04:36] <morten> From gnome i only miss firefox and Gaim
[04:36] <transgress> eh don't use the gimp... 
[04:36] <transgress> i think you can pull in gaim without gnome
[04:36] <Diablo-D3> then you'll need gphoto if your camera isnt usb mass storage
[04:36] <Diablo-D3> and the sane frontend for gimp to use your scanner
[04:37] <Diablo-D3> gaim, if you prefer it over kopete
[04:37] <transgress> i use digikam for my webcam
[04:37] <transgress> gaim doesn't require gnome
[04:37] <Diablo-D3> xchat, if you prefer it over konversation
[04:37] <Diablo-D3> transgress: lets face it, gtk and glib are gnome libs.
[04:37] <transgress> nor does gimp for that matter
[04:37] <transgress> no they aren't
[04:37] <Diablo-D3> they try and act like a seperate project, but they got eaten by gnome a long time ago.
[04:37] <transgress> there is a difference between gnome and gtk
[04:37] <transgress> you're wrong
[04:38] <Diablo-D3> look at, say, the last 1000 commits in gtk/glib/atk/whatever
[04:38] <transgress> having to pull in 50 megs of gnome crap is by far different than being able to run gtk
[04:38] <morten> well, if someone could just tell me how to make a screenshot in Kubuntu - I would be glad
[04:38] <transgress> ksnapshot
[04:38] <Diablo-D3> atleast 900 of them are done by gnome devs
[04:38] <transgress> because gnome uses gtk doesn't make gtk and gnome the same
[04:38] <Diablo-D3> morten: hrm
[04:38] <transgress> as i said... 09:38 < transgress> having to pull in 50 megs of gnome crap is by far different
[04:38] <transgress>                     than being able to run gtk
[04:39] <Diablo-D3> and besides, after your done, its only like 50 megs more shit
[04:39] <transgress> 50 megs of shit i don't care to have
[04:39] <Diablo-D3> eh, it really doesnt bother me
[04:39] <transgress> well it only bothers me if there is another option... ala firefox... it shouldn't be compiled with gnome-support in the main package
[04:39] <Diablo-D3> but yeah, if it did, nuke glib and gtk
[04:41] <transgress> i think you need to learn to distinguish the difference... all gnome apps are gtk, all gtk apps are not gnome... 
[04:42] <Diablo-D3> s/you/you and kde devels/
[04:42] <transgress> no
[04:42] <Diablo-D3> I had this conversation before with people far cooler than you, and thats the conclusion we came to.
[04:43] <transgress> well your conclusion is wrong
[04:43] <transgress> because gtk doesn't require gnome packages
[04:43] <transgress> that's the end of it
[04:44] <psn> transgress: otoh gnome people are working on moving all gnome specific things into gtk
[04:44] <transgress> so i don't give a fuck if you had a conversation with jesus fucking christ, the pope, and dubya... 
[04:44] <uniq> be nice.
[04:45] <transgress> psn: well when they do... that might make a difference... if there are no more _gnome_ packages to pull in... only gtk... then sure... but atm they aren't.
[04:45] <psn> transgress: didn't say that
[04:45] <transgress> oh i misread what you were saying
[04:45] <transgress> i gotcha... 
[04:46] <transgress> regardless of whether all gnome things are gtk or not... all gtk things are definitely not gnome things.
[04:46] <psn> transgress: well that depends on if you talk to a gnomie or not ;)
[04:47] <transgress> no it doesn't... because pulling in gnome packages is different than pulling in gtk packages... i have gtk packages... but i still can't pull in firefox without 50 megs of gnome stuff
[04:47] <psn> transgress: they even tend to consider oo.o a gnome app
[04:48] <transgress> that's the aptable firefox btw... i can run the binary fine... because it was compiled with gtk code but _not_ gnome support... the ubuntu binary however, has gnome-support enabled on it.
[04:49] <psn> transgress: ofcourse ubuntu is primarely a gnome dist so they don't care
[04:50] <transgress> psn: i think it was more of a lack of foresight... 
[04:50] <psn> transgress: I don't
[04:51] <pv_> Maybe with gnome-support enabled, it sits better to a Gnome desktop?
[04:52] <pv_> This should be the case for oo
[04:52] <transgress> it sits better to a gnome desktop?  i'm not sure what you mean by that...
[04:52] <KaiL> uses some more gnome functions for file dialogs and so
[05:01] <vicks> i everyone. can someone tell me how to make the icons in the kde-panel smaller?
[05:01] <KaiL> if you make the panel smaller
[05:02] <KaiL> rightclick -> configure panel -> size :)
[05:03] <vicks> my problem is that i almost have no room for activity-panel (translating from swedish here ;) 
[05:04] <vicks> to clarify the above: the panel where active programs show up
[05:04] <transgress> tasklist
[05:04] <KaiL> what, the switish translation works now? ;)
[05:04] <KaiL> swedish..
[05:04] <transgress> switish... nice
[05:05] <vicks> well swedish is quite swiit ;)
[05:05] <snowcrash> hi
[05:06] <vicks> so there is no way to make only the icons smaller (like windows)?
[05:07] <KaiL> not that I know
[05:08] <chavo> vicks, there is a quick launcher applet, it's icons stay the same size
[05:08] <vicks> chavo: do i have to install it?
[05:09] <chavo> vicks, yeah. I can't remember where I got it from though.
[05:09] <vicks> ok. i go look for it. i gonna ask over at #kde
[05:11] <chavo> vicks, I'm not sure if it's included in kubuntu's package. It's called Quick Launcher Applet.
[05:11] <vicks> ok. thanks chavo
[05:12] <chavo> I compile my own kde, so I don't know which programs came standard with kubuntu
[05:12] <vicks> i haven't seen it, but i'm gonne search for the apt
[05:14] <KaiL> it is
[05:15] <snowcrash> is there some dash board for linux 
[05:15] <snowcrash> with useless info 
[05:15] <snowcrash> like cpu speed, weather and stuff
[05:16] <psn> vicks: it's installed search for 'Snabbstartare'
[05:23] <vicks> i'm quite a n00b. is there a way to search for programs (not files)
[05:23] <carambol> apt-cach search packagename
[05:23] <carambol> apt-cache search
[05:24] <carambol> apt-cache search sound
[05:25] <mrmanic> vicks: if it's already installed, you can try apropos, b/c it should have a manpage, or which, if you know the exact name of the program.
[05:27] <vicks> ok, thanks carambol, but thats wasn't quite what i meant. mrmanic: i didn't find anything. what i'm searching for is an applet called "snabbstartare" in swedish kde
[05:27] <vicks> snabbstarare -> quicklauncher
[05:27] <mrmanic> are you sure it's installed?
[05:28] <vicks> no =) Do you think i should have found it with apropos?
[05:28] <carambol> is the mozilla -firefox1.0.4 upgrade of backports ok?
[05:30] <mrmanic> vicks: if it wasn't installed, my options wouldn't work
[05:30] <mrmanic> vicks: if it was installed, my options should have picked something up
[05:41] <vicks> mrmanic: ok finally. i found it. i think i have to change lang-pack to english, it's so damn confusing when people talk about applets and stuff when my system calls them completelt different things (even translated). thanks for the help
[05:43] <mrmanic> glad to hear it
[05:43] <mrmanic> how did you find it?
[05:46] <vicks> mrmanic: oh it wasn't hard. i got confused when someone called the quicklauncher an applet. but after some seaching i found it in one of the add to panel menus
[05:46] <mrmanic> oh, gotcha
[05:46] <mrmanic> cool
[05:47] <vicks> bye everyone
[05:48] <carambol> how i get rid of Gnome
[05:48] <carambol> ?
[05:50] <Areo> hello
[05:50] <Areo> can anyone read this?
[05:50] <mrmanic> yes
[05:50] <Areo> thx
[05:52] <carambol> can somebody tell me how i uninstall gnoe?
[05:52] <carambol> gnome
[05:57] <mrmanic> man, osx is really pretty
[05:57] <mrmanic> I'm just setting up a mac mini for my mom, and I'm soooo jealous
[05:58] <vicks> yeah! i'm starting to like this linux-shit!!
[06:01] <mrmanic> I like linux too.
[06:06] <winfried> how do i install java (JRE for firefox and konqueror) on kubuntu?
[06:07] <vicks> i can't install firefox  extensions. when click on a link nothing happens. anyone know whats going on?
[06:27] <kay> Is the new kdebase in Breeze safe?
[06:27] <Tm_T> kay: look topic
[06:27] <nmorse> Breezey simply isn't safe
[06:27] <Tm_T> hi nmorse 
[06:27] <kay> hm... :p
[06:28] <nmorse> so, how about the fact that I can't get any extensions for firefox because we're two releases behind?
[06:28] <nmorse> That security team needs to get on the ball
[06:29] <nmorse> My version of Firefox is now effectively crippled, as I can't leverage several of the reasons I prefer it
[06:29] <meng> about:config
[06:30] <meng> app.extensions.version
[06:30] <nmorse> I see that
[06:30] <meng> change value accordingly
[06:30] <nmorse> Okay, that'll work
[06:32] <nmorse> That totally failed
[06:33] <meng> what num did you type in?
[06:33] <nmorse> 1.0.4
[06:33] <meng> too new
[06:33] <meng> 1.0.3
[06:33] <meng> or lower it as low as 1.0.2 or 1.0.1
[06:34] <nmorse> 1.0.2 is what we have in Ubuntu
[06:34] <nmorse> 1.0.4 is what you need to download extensions from mozilla.org
[06:34] <nmorse> This is driving me nuts
[06:34] <meng> extensionroom.mozdev.org
[06:35] <Tm_T> ehm
[06:35] <Tm_T> why I can download extensions then?
[06:36] <nmorse> Where do you get yours from, Tm_T?
[06:46] <Tm_T> nmorse: from mozilla.org
[06:49] <nmorse> I have no idea how you get them, then
[06:49] <nmorse> It tells me to upgrade to 1.0.4
[06:50] <shogouki> nmorse: even on http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showforum=2 ?
[06:54] <kay> ugm, I dare the upgrade on Breezy, lets see if I can report bugs then :p
[07:00] <nmorse> No the extensionmirror seems to work, so does mozdev.org
[07:00] <nmorse> But the official place most people go seems to fail utterly
[07:01] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:02] <Tm_T> hmm, time to do some apt-get remove && install =)
[07:02] <nmorse> Okay, why the remove?
[07:03] <Liz4rd> OMG i'm awake
[07:05] <Tm_T> nmorse: there is something what I don't need
[07:18] <kay> Hm... for all I can say, Breezy update is safe now
[07:18] <kay> No obvious breakage
[07:19] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:19] <Tm_T> not _yet_ =)
[07:20] <kay> It is not the gcc4 compile one yet, right?
[07:21] <kay> Hm... where do I see the build depends?
[07:24] <kkathman> howdy howdy all :)
[07:24] <nmorse> hello kkathman
[07:24] <kkathman> hey there nmorse :)
[07:24] <Tm_T> kkathman: hullo
[07:24] <kay> hi kkathman 
[07:24] <kkathman> MMM wife is baking bread :) YUM
[07:25] <kkathman> howdy there Tm_T and kay :)
[07:27] <kkathman> I gots lots of web design work to do today :(
[07:27] <kkathman> ugh, but its at least profitable
[07:28] <kkathman> but it also means I have to work on my Win box alot too :(
[07:28] <nmorse> Profitable work is nice, Windows is not
[07:28] <Liz4rd> kkathman: hey man
[07:28] <kkathman> we I can do most of the programming off Win, but not the actual art work :)
[07:28] <kkathman> howdy there Liz4rd  :)
[07:28] <nmorse> Why do you need Windows for the artwork?
[07:28] <Liz4rd> just woke up :)
[07:29] <Liz4rd> photoshop
[07:29] <kkathman> nmorse:  Well Gimp and GimpShop arent exactly advanced enough...I use Photoshop
[07:29] <kkathman> right Liz4rd  :)
[07:29] <nmorse> Try Krita
[07:29] <Liz4rd> :) i'm a graphic designer my self, iNEED photoshop :P
[07:29] <kkathman> not that Gimp cant do the same things kinda, but Photoshop is many times more powerful
[07:29] <kkathman> yah I hear ya Liz4rd  :)
[07:30] <Liz4rd> :) ok
[07:30] <Liz4rd> http://evasivx.bioviral.net
[07:30] <kkathman> Krita I think isnt quite ready yet...or so I've heard
[07:30] <nmorse> Have you tried Krita? It has the appearance of a sanitized Photoshop with CMYK support, etc.
[07:30] <nmorse> I like the sanitized Photoshop look
[07:30] <nmorse> Not really cluttered, but still similar enough for easy use
[07:30] <kkathman> nmorse: No I havent, but all the reviews I've heard say its extremely buggy right now
[07:31] <nmorse> Running a newspaper requires familiarity with too many programs
[07:31] <Liz4rd> on the gimp-shop note... i never got it to look like it the only thing that changed after i installed it was the splash screen
[07:31] <kkathman> I think GimpShop was a quantum leap better than Gimp, but its about 10 quantum leaps behind Photoshop
[07:31] <Liz4rd> i agree
[07:31] <nmorse> Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, and now Scribus and Krita
[07:32] <kkathman> I'll admit that its a learning thing too..but Ive tried both and Photoshop is more productive in the way to accomplish things
[07:32] <nmorse> And probably soon to be some kind of AdCreator program
[07:32] <_simple> whats a good .avi to dvd converter
[07:32] <Liz4rd> i love that slackware thing :d
[07:33] <_simple> and what codec pack would i need for xvid, well just a good codec pack
[07:33] <nmorse> I'm probably going to have to write the AdCreator myself
[07:33] <kkathman> Just to put text down, shadow it and get texuring on it you cant do that in seconds but GimpShop takes significantly longer because it doesnt have real time viewing of changes
[07:34] <kkathman> _simple: any good codec will work
[07:34] <_simple> so apt-cache search codec?
[07:34] <kkathman> Liz4rd:  you almost got me convinced to take one of my computers here and try Slack
[07:34] <nmorse> I figure if I use Scribus' libraries and pre-format it in XML, making an Ad program should be easy
[07:34] <kkathman> _simple: have you downloaded the win32codecs?
[07:34] <Liz4rd> :) i lvoe it so much i got everything configured down to my soundblaster video card :D
[07:35] <Liz4rd> nvidia drivers and everyhting
[07:35] <_simple> i don't know
[07:35] <Liz4rd> works like a drea
[07:35] <_simple> well that's a no eh :p
[07:35] <Liz4rd> dream*
[07:35] <Liz4rd> sound blaster, video card*
[07:35] <kkathman> _simple: if you dont, you can check out the ubuntuguide and get directions to get them...you add the marillat repos and download w32codecs
[07:35] <kkathman> ie. apt
[07:36] <_simple> alright sweet, what about  avi to dvd converter?
[07:36] <Liz4rd> they work for xine?
[07:36] <kkathman> Liz4rd: which SB card? SB LIve or audigy?
[07:36] <Liz4rd> just a SB 16:P
[07:36] <kkathman> Liz4rd: I need to find one of those...like dirt cheap somewhere
[07:36] <kkathman> my on board VIA Sound suxxors mega bad
[07:37] <Liz4rd> kkathman: there like 15 dollars
[07:37] <Liz4rd> i am on VIA aswell :P
[07:37] <Liz4rd> well my chipset
[07:37] <kkathman> yeah my VIA sound has bad interference
[07:38] <Liz4rd> that sucks
[07:38] <kkathman> I move my mouse and hear a hum...move a screen its like a light sabre sound
[07:38] <kkathman> its even there when the volume is down
[07:38] <Liz4rd> lol
[07:39] <kkathman> so I figure, if I can get a cheap sound card that works, I'd try it..but then all my music is on my Winbox and its got an Audigy
[07:39] <kkathman> so why even spend $15 :)
[07:39] <Liz4rd> good point
[07:40] <nmorse> Don't spend $15
[07:40] <kkathman> right
[07:40] <nmorse> Get an old junk box from a friend and steal its sound card
[07:40] <nmorse> Then set up zerconf sharing and share playlists across boxes
[07:40] <kkathman> that way, I dont spend the cycles on my Lin box
[07:41] <nmorse> That's how I got my SoundBlaster Live card, BTW
[07:45] <Tm_T> haha
[07:46] <Tm_T> my Kubuntu is now (broken?) mix of debian and kubuntu stuff =)
[07:46] <nmorse> That's some set of apt-pinning
[07:46] <Tm_T> hmm, I dont think this was a good idea afterall...
[07:47] <Tm_T> well, we'll see =)
[07:52] <kkathman> Tm_T what the heck did you do man?
[07:52] <Tm_T> just installed some debian-testing files =)
[07:52] <Tm_T> debs
[07:53] <myth8y> Hi I have a probleme (sorry for my english), when I try to open a application in root mode (like when i open kcontrol and i click on superuser mode), its freeze like that, and nothing apend, its never ask me my password of what ever, some one have a idea?
[07:53] <kkathman> now you know better than that :)
[07:53] <Tm_T> and now apt-get -f install returns "The following packages will be REMOVED:
[07:53] <Tm_T>   kubuntu-desktop language-pack-en language-pack-en-base language-pack-fi language-pack-fi-base localeconf locales lsb
[07:53] <Tm_T>   ubuntu-base"
[07:53] <kkathman> bbiaw - lunchtime :)
[07:53] <Tm_T> =)
[07:54] <Liz4rd> me to, FOOD
[07:54] <nmorse> there's a script to fix that, myth8y
[07:54] <nmorse> hang on a sec, while I find it
[07:54] <myth8y> the one in the topic?
[07:55] <Tm_T> heh, maybe I downgrade back to ubuntu hoary =)
[07:55] <nmorse> Yeah, that one, myth8y
[07:55] <nmorse> Download, chmod +x $script_name, then sudo ./$scriptname
[07:55] <myth8y> ... i just install it, and it do the same... did i have to restart kde?
[07:56] <nmorse> It should have worked
[07:56] <myth8y> wait i'll try to restart and i come back
[07:57] <Liz4rd> let me get this straight...ubuntu is gnome and kubuntu is kde?
[07:58] <Liz4rd> do they come with anyother WM'S?
[07:59] <myth8y> :S still dosen't work
[08:01] <nmorse> XFCE4 can be installed, Liz4rd
[08:01] <myth8y> anyone had a idea?
[08:01] <nmorse> Crimsun is one of the maintainers
[08:01] <nmorse> No idea, myth8y
[08:02] <nmorse> So running that script as sudo didn't work?
[08:02] <Liz4rd> ok good
[08:02] <myth8y> he update kcontrol & kdenetwork-filesharing, but when i start kcontrol, its do the same thing
[08:03] <Liz4rd> i am using XFCE4 right now and i love it
[08:03] <smouche> myth8y, try using kdesu in place of sudo
[08:04] <Liz4rd> yeah i was just aout to suggest that :P
[08:05] <smouche> using sudo with kate, kcontrol, and kpackage seems to cause lockups, dead features, or crashes with those apps, and maybe others, but for some reason they work with kdesu
[08:05] <myth8y> kdesu??
[08:05] <smouche> yep, myth8y.
[08:05] <myth8y> how did i use that?
[08:06] <smouche> myth8y, instead of typing "sudo kcontrol" just type "kdesu kcontrol
[08:06] <Liz4rd> in a term type kdesu folowed by the program
[08:06] <smouche> (without the quote marks)
[08:06] <Liz4rd> a password prompt will appear
[08:07] <myth8y> ... nothing appear
[08:07] <Liz4rd> wtf
[08:07] <Liz4rd> kdesu kcontrol
[08:07] <Liz4rd> type that in a term
[08:07] <myth8y> yeah
[08:07] <Liz4rd> are you in root?
[08:07] <Tm_T> smouche: !
[08:07] <smouche> hey Tm_T
[08:07] <smouche> !
[08:07] <smouche> how are you?
[08:07] <nmorse> For some reason, either Gaim or Jabber.org just got really f'ed up
[08:07] <myth8y> i try in root, but dosen't work
[08:08] <Liz4rd> lol then just type kcontrol & or something in a term
[08:08] <Liz4rd> its not prompting you wit ha password because you already are root
[08:08] <myth8y> kcontrol open
[08:08] <Tm_T> smouche: well, ok I guess, you?
[08:08] <smouche> myth8y, just try that command -- kdesy kcontrol -- in a normal user's terminal - not in root
[08:08] <Liz4rd> ok now try the superuser thinger
[08:09] <Liz4rd> yes, he's in root now so i told him to forget hte kdesu
[08:09] <Liz4rd> kde*
[08:09] <myth8y> smouche i did this in normal user, but nothing apear
[08:09] <Liz4rd> kde's a bitch
[08:09] <smouche> yep
[08:09] <nmorse> So, anyone else on Jabber at the moment?
[08:10] <smouche> I hate that "administrative mode" thing in kcontrol. awful.
[08:10] <myth8y> ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Registering failed!
[08:10] <myth8y> ERROR: Communication problem with kcontrol, it probably crashed.
[08:10] <myth8y> and if i try to open it in root, he said 
[08:10] <Tm_T> hahaha
[08:10] <Liz4rd> nmorse: me
[08:10] <nmorse> Can you join chat rooms right now?
[08:11] <Liz4rd> not sure
[08:11] <smouche> myth8y, that's almost exactly the same message I would get with kate, till I started invoking it with kdesu instead of sudo.
[08:11] <nmorse> please try
[08:11] <Liz4rd> i'm using psi
[08:11] <smouche> Tm_T, why in the world would you mix in debian stuff on there?
[08:11] <smouche> just for the challenge of de-borking everything?
[08:11] <Liz4rd> if you want my jabber id is: polorix@jabber.unoc.net
[08:11] <Tm_T> smouche: curiosity =)
[08:12] <Tm_T> smouche: I think I downgraded back to ubuntu already though
[08:12] <smouche> Tm_T: I can understand that!
[08:12] <myth8y> when i use kdesu, its just jump the line, and nothing apear, its still a term and i can write
[08:12] <Tm_T> smouche: debian testing has many newer packages than ubuntu, shame :/
[08:13] <smouche> myth8y, please type this - exactly - and tell me what happens:
[08:13] <smouche> kdesu konsole
[08:13] <myth8y> myth8y@myth8y:~$ kdesu konsole
[08:13] <myth8y> only this
[08:13] <smouche> please
[08:13] <nmorse> So try joining jabber@conference.jabber.org, will you liz4rd?
[08:13] <Tm_T> aaah, I just changed server :)
[08:14] <myth8y> press enter, and nothing append
[08:14] <smouche> konsole didn't open?
[08:14] <myth8y> no
[08:14] <Liz4rd> how do i do that?
[08:14] <Tm_T> !!!
[08:14] <Tm_T> smouche: it would be a nightmare, live without konsole :o
[08:15] <smouche> hmmm, ok myth8y - sorry, I don't know what to tell you...
[08:15] <Liz4rd> nmorse: what room?
[08:15] <myth8y> damn i want the real hour on my computer :@
[08:15] <nmorse> Can you get in any of them? Try jabber@conference.jabber.org
[08:15] <kay> Tm_T: It will never be the same, Debian and Ubuntu, I have seen Analysis that indicates that a lot of Debian is newer, a lot of Ubuntu is older at any given time
[08:16] <kay> Tm_T: Just depends on what it is, if it is KDE, I feel harmed :p
[08:16] <Liz4rd> ALRIGHT but what room?
[08:16] <nmorse> Room: Jabber Server: conference.jabber.org
[08:16] <smouche> well, Tm_T, I assume he has konsole, but he doesn't seem to be able to invoke it, or anything, with kdesu
[08:16] <nmorse> sorry for not making that clear
[08:16] <Tm_T> =)
[08:16] <Liz4rd> :P np
[08:16] <Tm_T> kay: yeah, they are meant to be different :)
[08:16] <Liz4rd> ok i'm there
[08:16] <smouche> I don't even know what the difference between sudo and kdesu is exactly; all I know is with some apps kdesu works when sudo fails nastily.
[08:17] <Liz4rd> nmorse: i'm in the room now
[08:17] <myth8y> anyway, i'll find a way one day or a other, Hey did u know a program for the dual screen?
[08:18] <buz> what's recommended, x86-64 or x86?
[08:18] <buz> i'd suppose the latter has much more software, right?
[08:18] <buz> especially w32 codecs and the like
[08:18] <MindZEye> Indeed (MindZEye has just gone from AMD64 -> x86).
[08:18] <nmorse> Liz4rd: Is anyone else in the room
[08:18] <nmorse> ?
[08:18] <Liz4rd> no
[08:19] <buz> mhh i'll probably go x86 for the time being then
[08:19] <nmorse> then the server is indeed down
[08:19] <buz> i don't really care for the performance
[08:19] <Liz4rd> dam
[08:19] <nmorse> Stay in there right now
[08:19] <buz> i bought the athlon because it uses little power and is easily cooled
[08:19] <nmorse> Are you still in there?
[08:19] <nmorse> It doesn't show anyone else at all on mine
[08:20] <nmorse> Crap, they went and broke MUC support
[08:20] <Liz4rd> oh oops i'll go back
[08:20] <nmorse> and they wonder about jabber's popularity
[08:21] <nmorse> transgress, you around in here?
[08:21] <Liz4rd> he's not on jabber
[08:22] <Liz4rd> that means he's fucking someone, not awake, or working hard
[08:23] <nmorse> Transgress is on Jabber, just under extended away
[08:23] <nmorse> Since he logged on that way, I assumed it was preset and not real
[08:23] <Liz4rd> yeah
[08:23] <Liz4rd> who are you to transgress?
[08:24] <nmorse> Just a random online person he chatted with one day
[08:25] <Liz4rd> lol me to but we talk everyday now and run www.irclikelife.com
[08:25] <muwu2> Hi. My KDE is hanging after it tries to restore session (at 84%)... but new user doesn't hang..  I have tried to delete temp files..but same problem. what can   I do?
[08:25] <Liz4rd> we booth run it
[08:37] <Tm_T> aergh, suck it
[08:37] <Tm_T> does anyone know the way to change a language of firefox ?
[08:38] <Liz4rd> have you looked around
[08:38] <Liz4rd> in prephrences and stuff
[08:38] <buz> how do i find the dcop port of konversation???
[08:39] <Tm_T> Liz4rd: oh yes
[08:39] <Liz4rd> check the website?
[08:40] <Tm_T> hmmh, couldnt find anything from there yet
[08:40] <Liz4rd> acully i want to know how to do this aswell i'm going to look
[08:40] <closure> Tm_T, down with firefox!
[08:41] <closure> Opera 8 i sthe way!
[08:41] <closure> is the
[08:41] <Liz4rd> i liek it
[08:41] <Liz4rd> its nice and fast
[08:41] <shiv> I am really stuck with the sound issue, I searched all the forums nothing works
[08:41] <psn> buz: kdcop
[08:41] <buz> i found it
[08:41] <buz> but sending messages to it doesn't work...
[08:42] <shiv> no sound at all
[08:42] <shiv> plz help
[08:43] <Liz4rd> mmm
[08:43] <Liz4rd> what sound card?
[08:43] <psn> buz: have a look at the scripts in /usr/share/apps/konversation/scripts/
[08:44] <shiv> let me check
[08:44] <buz> thats what i do right now ;)
[08:46] <shiv> Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audi                                                                                               o Controller (rev 01)
[08:46] <Tm_T> closure: I don't like opera at all, sorry
[08:50] <closure> Tm_T, have you used 8?
[08:50] <closure> opera 8 is not like any opera i've used
[08:52] <Tm_T> I use ( sometimes
[08:52] <Tm_T> 8
[08:53] <Tm_T> but Firefox is just teh browser to me
[08:53] <Tm_T> I can do all I wan't how I wan't
[08:55] <Octane> do you people recommend to also apt-get ubuntu-desktop if you are install kubuntu-desktop?
[08:56] <Tm_T> nop
[08:56] <Octane> k
[08:56] <Octane> do you know whats causing this error: http://pastebin.ca/11820
[08:56] <Octane> or someone else
[08:57] <Tm_T> Octane: oh yes I know!
[08:57] <Tm_T> Octane: topic ;)
[08:57] <Octane> ahh kdelibs-debug!
[08:57] <Tm_T> yes
[08:58] <Octane> thansk Tm_T! :)
[08:59] <closure> lol
[08:59] <closure> Don't use breezy
[08:59] <closure> is it comepletely f00ked
[09:00] <Tm_T> well, it is far away from release, so it's like _unstable_
[09:00] <closure> blasted backports isn't updating
[09:00] <buz> ah nice
[09:00] <closure> Tm_T, i figured as much but the testers were saying everyhting was cool there for a minute
[09:00] <buz> so i won't reboot my machine until it gets fixed
[09:00] <Octane> what is breezy
[09:00] <buz> cause i did run dist-upgrade this morning
[09:00] <closure> Octane, the next version
[09:01] <Octane> ahh
[09:01] <Tm_T> closure: next release ;)
[09:01] <buz> maybe i really shouldnt use breezy
[09:01] <buz> i'll stick to hoary with my new machine
[09:01] <buz> couldnt help it on this one
[09:01] <Tm_T> heh
[09:02] <buz> just couldnt pass daily upgrade "goodness"
[09:02] <buz> or so i thought
[09:02] <closure> Tm_T, release, version same thing
[09:03] <closure> why is backports not updating
[09:04] <Tm_T> closure: hmm, I don't think release and version as the same 
[09:04] <Octane> i just ran all the necessary apt-get updates and what not
[09:04] <Octane> and everything seems upgraded
[09:04] <Octane> what should i do now =] 
[09:04] <closure> *shrugs*
[09:04] <Octane> because... kde wont start when i boot
[09:05] <Octane> and startkde doesnt start it
[09:05] <closure> i wish axium would run in linux
[09:05] <Tm_T> Octane: strange
[09:05] <closure> that'd be pretty sweed
[09:05] <closure> err sweet
[09:06] <closure> can you skin xchat?
[09:06] <Octane> closure you can use the gnome kde thing
[09:06] <Octane> thats the best youll get
[09:06] <Octane> plus change the fonts
[09:06] <Tm_T> Octane: what kind of hardware? what kernel? how you installed the system?
[09:06] <closure> gnome kde thing?
[09:06] <closure> you mean the theme?
[09:06] <closure> that'd be kinda cool how do i do that?
[09:06] <Octane> Tm_T it looks like its missing librarys
[09:07] <Octane> libraries
[09:07] <Tm_T> Octane: then install them =)
[09:07] <Octane> Tm_T kdelibs-data already installed
[09:07] <_chris> hi
[09:07] <buz> gtk-qt
[09:07] <Octane> yes thats it
[09:07] <Tm_T> closure: apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[09:07] <buz> makes gtk apps look mostly like qt apps
[09:08] <Octane> buz some bugs though
[09:08] <buz> but native apps still looks better
[09:08] <buz> besides, i consider gtk to be evil
[09:08] <Octane> libqt-mt is in qt or kdelibs
[09:09] <closure> Tm_T, what's that?
[09:09] <Octane> buz just said what it is
[09:10] <Tm_T> closure: that's the one you are looking for I think
[09:10] <closure> what do you mean?
[09:10] <buz> is there any way to define serverspecific timers in konversation?
[09:10] <Tm_T> that make gtk apps looks like qt ones AND adds gtk control into kcontrol
[09:10] <buz> i there have this channel with that evil bot that kicks you for idling
[09:10] <Tm_T> haha
[09:10] <Octane> hey guys, mind taking a look at this http://pastebin.ca/11821
[09:11] <closure> what is qt?
[09:11] <closure> and what is gtk control?
[09:11] <Octane> qt is kde's gtk
[09:11] <Octane> just install it!!!
[09:11] <Octane> lol
[09:11] <closure> i am installing it
[09:11] <Octane> itll make gtk apps, such as xchat, gaim and firefox, pretty
[09:12] <closure> i just like to learn foolio
[09:12] <closure> good
[09:12] <Ghetek> ok i have kubuntu installed
[09:12] <closure> cause i like pretty stuff
[09:12] <Ghetek> and everything works
[09:12] <Ghetek> where are my drives?
[09:12] <Octane> Ghetek want to trade boxes
[09:12] <closure> Ghetek, sweet
[09:12] <closure> Octane, lol
[09:12] <closure> Octane, what's broke on your box?
[09:12] <Octane> seriously im still stuck in the friggin prompt
[09:12] <Octane> closure not sure http://pastebin.ca/11821
[09:12] <closure> do i just reload xchat and gaim now?
[09:13] <Octane> yes
[09:13] <Octane> oh first
[09:13] <Octane> go to controlc enter
[09:13] <morten> Yaw... 
[09:13] <Octane> and you should have a new thing there under appearance
[09:13] <Octane> if you dont, restart kde
[09:13] <closure> k
[09:13] <morten> Anyone of you know a good mud client.... (and I dont wanna use the console :P )
[09:13] <Octane> people still play muds?
[09:13] <closure> right on right on
[09:13] <closure> brb
[09:13] <Tm_T> morten: why not console?
[09:13] <Tm_T> Octane: yes?
[09:13] <morten> ..... hehe,.... yes, there still are people who dont have a life....
[09:14] <Octane> Tm_T you take a look at that pastebin
[09:14] <Octane> morten just too much reading :)
[09:14] <Tm_T> mud have the most powerful 3d engine
[09:14] <morten> hehe, yeah... well... dunno, somehow its the only games that i find interesting...
[09:14] <morten> *agree Tm_T*
[09:15] <Tm_T> Octane: strange
[09:15] <Tm_T> Octane: looks like you have broken kde
[09:16] <morten> welll... I dunno how i started mudding.. all my other friends were playing CS back in 8 grade... but I REALLY sucked at it.. so i started mudding
[09:16] <Octane> looks like its missing qt
[09:16] <closure> doesn't look any different?
[09:16] <Octane> closure is there a gtk entry in your Control Center under Appareance
[09:16] <closure> yeah
[09:16] <Tm_T> use it =)
[09:16] <closure> it's set to use KDE stuff too
[09:16] <Octane> :)
[09:16] <Octane> oh really?
[09:16] <closure> yeah
[09:16] <Octane> should look a little different then
[09:16] <morten> well, I dont wanna use the console because I would like to see.. dunno, I just like to use a program wheree i can make triggers and so :P
[09:16] <closure> nope
[09:17] <Octane> like icons next to the file menu entries
[09:17] <buz> sometimes only after restarting x
[09:17] <Tm_T> morten: apt-cache search mud
[09:17] <closure> buz are you talking to me?
[09:17] <buz> yeah
[09:17] <Tm_T> closure: no, nobody talking to youm not even me
[09:17] <closure> buz not just kde restart all of x?
[09:17] <Tm_T> ;p
[09:17] <buz> at times it will break and then magically start workign again for me
[09:17] <buz> mhh dunno
[09:18] <Octane> Tm_T have any idea how i can go about fixing it?
[09:18] <closure> Tm_T, i'm ignoring you you're being rather snappy today
[09:18] <buz> i just used to hit crtl alt backspace ;)
[09:18] <Tm_T> closure: haha =)
[09:18] <Tm_T> closure: just joking ;p
[09:18] <closure> Tm_T, i as well >8-)
[09:18] <Tm_T> Octane: hmm, no, not really?
[09:18] <closure> k let me try this x restart
[09:20] <closure> still no different
[09:20] <closure> lol
[09:20] <Tm_T> ehh
[09:24] <morten> ... Tm_T you play mud or +
[09:25] <closure> i am going to become a practicer of the voodoo beliefs
[09:25] <closure> that's my goal
[09:27] <Octane> lol
[09:28] <myghetek> i couldnt get in for a while
[09:28] <myghetek> it was weird
[09:28] <buz> do you think you can invoke spells on hot girls so they wanna to f*** you?
[09:29] <Octane> buz i dont need vooodoo to do that
[09:29] <closure> myghetek, you put # in front of kubuntu?
[09:29] <myghetek> i know i have a 75gb hard drive installed to my system, how do i get to it
[09:29] <myghetek> ?
[09:29] <closure> buz,  yeah me either.. that's what drugs and booze are for
[09:30] <buz> mhh
[09:30] <myghetek> I'm sorry not too savvy with irc
[09:30] <buz> giving them drugs is somewhat hard if they dont trust you
[09:30] <closure> wtf is mhh
[09:30] <buz> like hmmm
[09:30] <buz> like "thinking noise"
[09:30] <closure> buz no way. you cut the line it will go up their nose
[09:32] <myghetek> is there a my computer?
[09:33] <closure> speaking of lines http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4546321.stm
[09:33] <closure> good fucking god
[09:34] <myghetek> or possibly something more linux? therefore better?
[09:34] <myghetek>  They found the cocaine, weighing at least 12 tonnes,
[09:34] <buz> i foresee cocaine prices skyrocketing
[09:34] <buz> can i buy cocaine derivates somewhere?
[09:35] <closure> buz not a chance
[09:35] <buz> mhh too bad
[09:35] <_nate> what packages do i need to install in order to use perl to perform ssh?
[09:35] <closure> 12 tonnes is just the largest bust. there's thousands of tonnes produced if not hundreds of thousands
[09:35] <closure> buz, you can buy crack on pretty much any street corner
[09:35] <myghetek> clusure know his drugs...
[09:36] <myghetek> *closure
[09:36] <buz> pricing in such markets isn't really connected to supply that closely
[09:36] <buz> witness oil
[09:36] <closure> myghetek, i haven't always made the best choices in life but i have learned from all of them >8-)
[09:36] <myghetek> wow, good answer
[09:36] <closure> buz, the drug market is not really the same as oil
[09:36] <buz> i know
[09:37] <closure> the oil industry CAN be rigged pretty much
[09:37] <_nate> demand in the drug market is constant
[09:37] <buz> the drug trade is pretty rigged itself
[09:37] <closure> the drug industry can't
[09:37] <_nate> like cigarettes, you can raise the price a ton and the addicts still buy them
[09:37] <buz> not globally
[09:37] <buz> but locally
[09:37] <_nate> otherwise we couldn't get away with the taxes we have on cancer sticks
[09:37] <myghetek> it is for that reason that we need to stop using oil>gas to run cars and just switch over to linux
[09:38] <closure> buz, i don't know man weed prices have gone down over the last few years i've noticed
[09:38] <closure> atleast here in the states
[09:38] <buz> depends where you are
[09:38] <buz> around here you notice spikes after high policy activity
[09:38] <closure> buz, where do you come from>
[09:38] <buz> switzerland
[09:38] <closure> what's your policy?
[09:39] <closure> all of EU has pretty lax laws don't they?
[09:39] <buz> not all
[09:39] <buz> the dutch have it mostly legal
[09:39] <buz> around here you usually get off with a small fine if the cops really catch you
[09:39] <buz> but more often than not, cops don't care if you're smoking
[09:40] <buz> only if you smoke and drive, you now go to jail directly
[09:41] <closure> really?
[09:41] <closure> weird
[09:41] <buz> i've been stoned at school a LOT
[09:41] <buz> and i never once had trouble
[09:41] <myghetek> I live in california, in san francisco, and you can smell it everywhere when you go to the hippie places
[09:41] <closure> but can they really tell?
[09:41] <buz> maybe
[09:41] <myghetek> they smoke it in the streets
[09:41] <bergfloh> i have problems with my codepage, i can
[09:42] <bergfloh> upps
[09:42] <buz> if half the class suddenly burst into laughing...
[09:42] <buz> mhh you see lots of people smoking on the streets here
[09:42] <closure> you can get away with it here but it's not common place
[09:42] <buz> where are you
[09:42] <closure> when i use to smoke i'd smoke a joint walking down the street
[09:42] <closure> but only in areas that i knew there wouldn't be cops and shit
[09:42] <closure> i'm in US
[09:43] <buz> mhh
[09:43] <buz> gotta run
[09:43] <buz> laters
[09:43] <closure> later
[09:45] <closure> man it is pouring rain
[09:45] <bergfloh> i have problems with my codepage, i can't write umlauts, they are right at my computer, but if I search s.th. via google or write s.th. in IRC, other people see the letters like this:      what can i do? i already made a dpkg-reconfigure locales..
[09:48] <myghetek> my screen only goes to 1024x768
[09:48] <myghetek> but my monitor and video card can handle more
[09:50] <brosio> if i click on address book on kmail it doesn't start... any could help ?
[10:13] <Cybermagellan> how do you run executables...I've tried to upgrade from firefox 1.0.2 to 1.0.4 and it isn't working
[10:14] <Cybermagellan> Also...how do you change the default webbrowser?
[10:39] <Cybermagellan> anyone?
[10:40] <allee> Cybermagellan: yeap
[10:40] <Cybermagellan> how do I run executables
[10:41] <allee> alt-f2 or start konsole
[10:41] <Cybermagellan> with GNOME and Ubuntu I can just extract and double click on the exec
[10:41] <Cybermagellan> nothing happens in Konsole...
[10:41] <Cybermagellan> this is on a Mac mind you
[10:42] <allee> Cybermagellan: extract?
[10:43] <Cybermagellan> I'm trying to upgrade Firefox....which is a tar.gz
[10:45] <shiv> please help with my sound
[10:45] <shiv> i am not geing anything
[10:45] <allee> Open the tar.gz in konqueror this fires kark which lets you extract the tar.gz
[10:46] <Cybermagellan> allee I can extract it...and I see the firefox-installer but clicking on it does nothing
[10:47] <kay> shiv: you get a message about /dev/dsp on login?
[10:49] <allee> Cybermagellan: hmm, right click on installer and openwith konsole
[10:49] <shiv> nothing
[10:49] <shiv> no mesage
[10:49] <shiv> kmix is crossed out
[10:49] <kay> Did you see a mixer.... ah
[10:49] <shiv> i do
[10:50] <kay> can you open a term
[10:50] <shiv> ok
[10:50] <kay> and please do ls -l /dev/dsp* and paste the output if any?
[10:50] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$ ls -l /dev/dsp*
[10:50] <shiv> crw-rw----  1 root audio 14, 19 2005-05-15 14:09 /dev/dsp1
[10:50] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$
[10:51] <kay> that is strange, isn't it?
[10:51] <kay> And can you paste the output of "id" for me?
[10:51] <allee> shiv: output of: id
[10:51] <kay> (as your user)
[10:52] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$ id
[10:52] <shiv> uid=1000(shiv) gid=1000(shiv) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),107(lpadmin),108(scanner),109(admin),1000(shiv)
[10:52] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$
[10:52] <kay> Hm... any idea why he has only dsp1?
[10:53] <kay> shiv: You know the audio settings in kcontrol?
[10:53] <shiv> ya
[10:53] <shiv> i do
[10:53] <kay> If you do, there is a possibility to provide the device yourself
[10:53] <kay> enter /dev/dsp1 one there and give it a try
[10:54] <shiv> determine device automatically is turned on
[10:55] <kay> try it manually
[10:55] <shiv> do i need to restart anything after writing /dev/dsp1
[10:55] <shiv> ?
[10:56] <kay> hit apply and it should say it needs to restart the sound deamon
[10:56] <nmorse> Anyone know if compiling a new kernel on Ubuntu is safe?
[10:56] <kay> try the "test sound" facility to check
[10:56] <shiv> i did that it did not give that message
[10:56] <shiv> ok wait
[10:56] <Tm_T> nmorse: why not?
[10:56] <kay> nmorse: I have not used Ubuntu kernels allmost all the time with no problems
[10:57] <brosio> anyone that have kmail can open address book ?
[10:57] <kay> nmorse: Just have udev supported
[10:57] <kay> brosio: i can (at work) do that normally, why?
[10:57] <shiv> nothing happened
[10:57] <shiv> :(
[10:58] <brosio> kay,  i click on open address book but nothing happened
[10:58] <kay> you have korganizer installed?
[10:59] <kay> shiv: Please send me the output of "dmesg" to the private chat i just opend with you
[10:59] <kay> shiv: Too big here
[11:00] <nmorse> Okay, I may compile a new kernel then
[11:00] <kay> oops...
[11:00] <nmorse> The only problem I see is that I am not too sure as to which ACPI modules I will need for my laptop
[11:00] <nmorse> maybe I should just bother with compiling new alsa drivers
[11:00] <brosio> kaddressbook start only from konsole
[11:00] <kay> nmorse: you can start with their .config, no?
[11:01] <brosio> anyone can try that ?
[11:01] <kay> shiv: sorry, i am going to open one that will allow it
[11:01] <nmorse> Oh probably, but that .config is pretty big, as it covers almost everything being compiled as a module
[11:02] <kay> You can always go in cycles, remove only want you understand, leave ACPI as modules and so on
[11:02] <brosio> kaddressbook start only from konsole, anyone could try to start it from kmail ?
[11:02] <shiv> it says conection broken error 15 on the other chat window
[11:02] <nmorse> Nah, I think I'll just see if a newer driver module will make my sound work
[11:03] <kay> hm... shiv, can you try dmesg | grep -i audio and paste here if not much?
[11:04] <kay> nmorse: What hardware is it?
[11:04] <shiv> nothing happens on that command
[11:04] <shiv> :(
[11:04] <kay> can you try dmesg | grep -i coded
[11:04] <kay> can you try dmesg | grep -i codec
[11:04] <kay> sorry, the later one is correct
[11:05] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$ dmesg | grep -i codec
[11:05] <shiv> atiixp: codec reset timeout
[11:05] <shiv> atiixp: no codec available
[11:05] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$
[11:05] <kay> aha... please do it like this: dmesg | grep atiixp
[11:05] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$ dmesg | grep atiixp
[11:05] <shiv> atiixp: codec reset timeout
[11:05] <shiv> atiixp: no codec available
[11:05] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$
[11:06] <kay> So it was already all
[11:06] <kay> You see, it sounds like it is not happy with your hardware somehow
[11:06] <kay> I am looking what I find about it... hang on
[11:07] <shiv> i had sound at the very begining about 3 days back
[11:07] <kay> Is it a notebook shiv?
[11:07] <shiv> i upgraded after adding extra repositories
[11:07] <shiv> ya
[11:07] <shiv> toshiba P35-6091
[11:08] <brosio> kaddressbook start only from konsole, anyone could try to start it from kmail ?
[11:08] <nmorse> What version of ALSA are the drivers that come standard with Ubuntu from?
[11:08] <closure> you know it sure would be great if the backports repo would respond i tell you i don't know if i could hold it together if it did
[11:09] <kay> shiv: I saw something suggesting "noapic" added to kernel command line
[11:09] <kay> shiv: Let me look for more...
[11:11] <oxy> am I to stupid? Or why does the kubuntu-dvd-Torrent not work?
[11:12] <kay> shiv: You know how to add something to the kernel command line ?
[11:12] <shiv> no sorry I suck---newbie ;(
[11:12] <nmorse> Hey, brosio, try using Kontact
[11:13] <kay> shiv: No prob, you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:13] <kay> shiv: You know how to edit a file that root owns?
[11:13] <brosio> kcontact works
[11:14] <shiv> i think $ sudo gedit ...........
[11:14] <kay> yeah.... that will work
[11:15] <kay> there is a line like # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
[11:15] <vicks> anyone knows why i can't isntall firefix extensions? nothing happens when i click on them
[11:15] <kay> shiv: Make sure to append a space (!) and noapic, seems people with the same trouble had luck with that
[11:16] <kay> shiv: Let me be clear, add " nopaic" (without quotes of course) to that line
[11:16] <nmorse> look at the top of your browser, vicks
[11:16] <kay> shiv: And don't remove the # at the line begin, it is needed
[11:16] <nmorse> just below the toolbars
[11:16] <nmorse> There should be a place to click options on the far right
[11:16] <nmorse> then click allow
[11:17] <shiv> is it this?
[11:17] <shiv> ## ## Start Default Options ##
[11:17] <shiv> ## default kernel options
[11:17] <shiv> ## default kernel options for automagic boot options
[11:17] <shiv> ## If you want special options for specifiv kernels use kopt_x_y_z
[11:17] <shiv> ## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted.
[11:17] <shiv> ## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
[11:17] <shiv> # kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro
[11:17] <kay> yes
[11:17] <vicks> nmorse: already done that
[11:17] <shiv> but is hda2
[11:17] <shiv> so that should be ok
[11:17] <shiv> ?
[11:17] <kay> if that is your disk
[11:18] <kay> check by typing mount
[11:18] <shiv> ya
[11:18] <shiv> :)
[11:18] <shiv> brb
[11:18] <kay> maybe it is windows on hda1
[11:18] <vicks> ah, started working suddenly
[11:19] <shiv> yes it is
[11:19] <shiv> so now i save the file
[11:20] <shiv> and then?
[11:20] <kay> well... then you will have to reboot
[11:20] <shiv> ok
[11:25] <shiv> no luck
[11:25] <shiv> :(
[11:25] <kay> hm..... you said it worked before
[11:25] <shiv> is it no apic
[11:25] <kay> Can you say what you did in the mean time
[11:25] <shiv> or apaic?
[11:26] <kay> noapic, one word
[11:26] <shiv> ya
[11:26] <shiv> i wrote it right
[11:26] <shiv> I just upgraded all the packages after adding the backup repositories
[11:27] <kay> backup reps, what is that?
[11:27] <shiv> besides i had xandros before and xandros-alsa 2.6....used to work for me before so I installed that and 
[11:27] <shiv> it worked fine for me
[11:28] <kay> can you run sudo alsaconf?
[11:28] <kay> try to look what it tells you
[11:28] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$ sudo alsaconf
[11:28] <shiv> sudo: alsaconf: command not found
[11:28] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$
[11:30] <kay> install alsa-utils
[11:30] <shiv> I also had done this yesterday: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[11:30] <shiv> but I had lost sound before
[11:30] <shiv> let install als-utils
[11:31] <shiv> its already installed per kynaptic
[11:32] <closure> we need a nzb site
[11:32] <closure> when you make your fill you upload the nzb there
[11:32] <closure> or something like that
[11:32] <yahalom> hey...i just installed kubuntu on one of my customers's pcs. They don't have the internet. How do I supply them with updates and extra apps? they need more locality support.
[11:32] <closure> yahalom, you don't
[11:33] <closure> or you can just download the most recent iso and do it that way i guess
[11:33] <yahalom> closure: not satisfied with that answer ;)
[11:33] <closure> i'm pretty sure those are your only options
[11:33] <closure> iso or nothing
[11:34] <yahalom> closure: well when i install kubuntu it says ur local language is not complete u'll need to update online, how do i fix that? get their computer to my place and online?
[11:34] <kay> yahalom: You could install apt-cacher on a notebook
[11:34] <vicks> isn't there a way to download apt's and then burn them?
[11:34] <kay> yahalom: Then install a fresh system and all you need for them
[11:34] <closure> yahaloe if you can that'd probably be the easiest
[11:34] <closure> i don't understand why it wouldn't be complete
[11:35] <yahalom> kay: apt-cacher?
[11:35] <closure> is it not english?
[11:35] <kay> yahalom: Go there, make them use your notebook as apt source, or just drop the archives from /var/cache/apt-cacher to their /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:35] <kay> Yes, it's a Debian package, likely in Universe
[11:35] <kay> shiv: I fear, I don't really know... can somebody else help please?
[11:36] <shiv> :(
[11:36] <yahalom> kay: wanna buy me a laptop? actually i've been thinking of doing that. it's the simplest way. need to make some cash first. but i'm with u on that one.
[11:36] <yahalom> closure: no not english
[11:36] <muzz2k> hey people, I have a query that I couldn't find an answer to on Google
[11:36] <kay> yahalom: You can install apt-cacher also on your local machine
[11:36] <closure> yahalom, is it a notebook or desktop?
[11:36] <yahalom> closure: well u know. i installed kubuntu on their system. so kubuntu is setup. now i can take their hard disk and do the updates.
[11:37] <yahalom> i guess
[11:37] <kay> yahalom: then install a new one, and make it go through the apt-cacher
[11:37] <yahalom> closure: desktop
[11:37] <kay> yahalom: then burn the packages as iso, drop it to the right directory on their machine and you are done
[11:37] <closure> ouch
[11:37] <yahalom> kay: i never heard of apt-cacher.
[11:37] <closure> i'd just bring the thing over to your house and update that way cause there's probably going to be an assload of upgrades and shit
[11:38] <kay> yahalom: still you can start using it as soon as apt-get install apt-cacher completes
[11:38] <yahalom> apparently i can build my own ubuntu cd
[11:38] <kay> apt-cache show apt-cacher
[11:38] <yahalom> closure: lol yeah and their comp is like five years old
[11:38] <yahalom> so it takes forever!
[11:38] <yahalom> ubuntu almost two hours!
[11:39] <kay> we are uings apt-cacher at work so except for the first one, every other installation and upgrade is very quick
[11:39] <yahalom> kay: man i'll need to make little tools like that, cos otherwise work is going to be a bit harder than necessary
[11:40] <yahalom> kay: when i put a newer kubunt cd into a machine running kubuntu, it can update its apps from the cd, right?
[11:41] <muzz2k> when i set my shell to csh, KDM fails to log me in, but killing kdm and running startx works fine.  When I change the shell back to bash, everything works as expected.  Any ideas?
[11:41] <kay> hm.... maybe, i never used the CDs
[11:41] <yahalom> kay: fedora used to work like that. i think ubuntu also does. need to try it.
[11:41] <kay> muzz2k: Don't change the shells, change what you start in Konsole, an option?
[11:41] <yahalom> anyone know...kubuntu would work on a pentium 1?
[11:42] <yahalom> 20 GB HD
[11:42] <thoreauputic> yahalom: short answer is no
[11:42] <yahalom> thoreauputic: u serious?
[11:42] <thoreauputic> yahalom: not with KDE
[11:42] <kay> Depends on the RAM, actually
[11:42] <yahalom> thoreauputic: crap
[11:42] <yahalom> thoreauputic: only xfce?
[11:42] <yahalom> thoreauputic: or gnome?
[11:42] <muzz2k> possibly, but it would be nice to know why it's doing it
[11:42] <thoreauputic> yahalom: maybe, or fluxbox
[11:43] <yahalom> thoreauputic: man but freaking windows 98 works on it
[11:43] <kay> You never knew how good it was :p
[11:43] <kay> Now you do
[11:43] <thoreauputic> yahalom: windows 98 is seven years old!
[11:43] <yahalom> thoreauputic: how would gnome not work on it? (not to say gnome is as bad as 98, just 98 eats a lot)
[11:43] <thoreauputic> yahalom: gnome needs RAM
[11:44] <thoreauputic> yahalom: so does KDE
[11:44] <kay> The things is yahalom, Gnome is quite bloated
[11:44] <yahalom> thoreauputic: so even more screwed, huh? no i know its that old, but the pc isnt.
[11:44] <kay> And KDE is getting less bloated, but still is
[11:44] <yahalom> thoreauputic: so what should i expect, a slow kde?
[11:44] <kay> yahalom: Go to lwn.net, check distribution list
[11:44] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I have an old pentium 200mmx running Debian, but using Fluxbox
[11:44] <kay> yahalom: There are some that are optimized to that kind of machines
[11:45] <kay> And yes, none of them uses KDE or Gnome
[11:45] <KaiL> biggest problem on a P1: you WILL have to less RAM
[11:45] <yahalom> thoreauputic: man only someone who is a linux fan will appreciate fluxbox. these windows moonies wont.
[11:45] <thoreauputic> yahalom: either use DamnSmall Linux, or a very lean install with a light window manager like iceWM or one of the *boxes
[11:45] <KaiL> thoreauputic: does DSL use a normal X-Server?
[11:45] <thoreauputic> yahalom: iceWM is more like windows
[11:45] <thoreauputic> KaiL: no
[11:46] <yahalom> thoreauputic: how do i get iceWM on a cd to install onto ubuntu?
[11:46] <KaiL> imho that helps more then avoiding KDE ;)
[11:46] <yahalom> thoreauputic:anyway i can install ubuntu without gnome or kde?
[11:47] <thoreauputic> yahalom: yes, but it would be easier to use a distro like Vector Linux 
[11:47] <yahalom> thoreauputic: man i want them to have something which they'll be like "wow! why did i waste my energy with windows"
[11:47] <thoreauputic> yahalom: on a pentium I you would need an earlier edition of Vector though
[11:47] <KaiL> "Vector Linux" is what?
[11:47] <yahalom> thoreauputic: gnome needs more ram than win98?
[11:48] <KaiL> yahalom: the X server itself does.....
[11:48] <thoreauputic> yahalom: gnome 2.10 does for sure
[11:49] <yahalom> thoreauputic: so what should i tell them? they dont want just linux, they want something that will make them choose it over windows.
[11:49] <kay> Why not Windows?
[11:49] <yahalom> kay: too expensive
[11:50] <thoreauputic> yahalom: well, on old hardware I personally would set up a custom install of Debian Sarge or use an earlier edition of Vector Linux
[11:50] <kay> That sounds strange, you said they already have Win98
[11:50] <yahalom> kay: too much junk coming in. u know how many customers i have who consider disconnecting their internet cos of viruses and adware?
[11:50] <yahalom> thoreauputic: so sarge with xfce? (i want a desktop that looks good)
[11:51] <yahalom> kay: besides i feel guilty everytime i charge people money to fix windows
[11:51] <thoreauputic> yahalom: yes, that might work OK: look at this site too http://users.netwit.net.au/~pursang/lofat.html
[11:51] <kay> If they are to surf the web, firefox is going to kill them :p
[11:51] <thoreauputic> yahalom: useful hints about lofat linux
[11:52] <yahalom> kay: i just wanna say" here have this, no viruses, no spyware, and no porn popups for ur 5 year old son"
[11:52] <kay> Take them to Walmart and buy that Lindows PC for 200 USD?
[11:52] <thoreauputic> The only browser that would work fairly quickly on a pentium I is Dillo ( or maybe the graphical version of Links)
[11:52] <yahalom> kay: no not lindows. lindows has the same issues as windows. u r logged in as root!
[11:53] <kay> That is not true and not true.
[11:53] <KaiL> yahalom: use that hardware as a base and install kubuntu on it
[11:53] <thoreauputic> yahalom: not any more - you can set up a user in Linspire now
[11:53] <kay> First, there once was a first version of Lindows where that was the case, but it is no longer so
[11:53] <KaiL> will still be WAY faster than every P1 construction will ever be
[11:53] <yahalom> ok thats good to know.
[11:53] <kay> And second, even if, no malware even attempts to exploit so far, desktop unix users
[11:54] <yahalom> i remember when it first came out though, it was weird as hell.
[11:54] <kay> Actually, Lindows is from the Debian family, not?
[11:54] <kay> Anyway, i was more talking the hardware.
[11:55] <kay> You get cheap PCs these days, cheaper than certain licenses used to be
[11:55] <thoreauputic> yahalom: Linspire is probably a good choice for complete non-techies, if you can stomach their business model :)
[11:55] <yahalom> man, they're going to be pissed tomorrow :(
[11:55] <yahalom> "it took 10 hours to install and it wont even work!?!?"
[11:55] <yahalom> thoreauputic: lol. what is their business model?
[11:55] <kay> How much RAM do they have?
[11:55] <KaiL> yahalom: biggest problem with a P1 is the RAM. Those boxes have 32MB as very best normally
[11:56] <yahalom> kay: man i didnt even bother. i looked inside and saw that they only had two slots, and i didn't wanna look again.
[11:56] <KaiL> even for some "damn small linux" that results in more stuff in swap then in real RAM
[11:56] <thoreauputic> yahalom: well, some people get upset that they sell OSS software with their Click'nRun thing: but really they sell ease of use
[11:56] <kay> I also had 2 slots and 512 MB :p
[11:56] <KaiL> yahalom: which CPU clock?
[11:57] <yahalom> thoreauputic: if they charge for customer service then i can accept that, but not for software, but then again these channels and forums are better than any customer service
[11:58] <yahalom> KaiL: this will sound naive to you, but i really thought if win98 works so would ubuntu. when people tell me "ok lets try this penguin stuff" something lights up in me, and takes me over like a little child.
[11:58] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I heard the Linspire CEO or someone like that on a radio show: basically they are selling service and an easy one-click install of software
[11:58] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I think there's room for that model in Open Source, but some people don't
[11:59] <KaiL> yahalom: a recent Linux system needs around the same hardware Windows 2000 needs, maybe a bit less
[11:59] <yahalom> thoreauputic: well then one click thing is very very cool, but why i ask u, dont those debian devs and ubuntu, etc find a solution already. i mean everytime i give ppl linux, i had to warn them about that.
[11:59] <KaiL> (means every i686 works ok and even late i586)
[12:00] <KaiL> or in other words: if you can INSTALL WinXP, you can USE Linux+KDE :)
[12:00] <yahalom> KaiL: i need to read more. it's good to know. i thought that it was microsoft's business tactic to make each version more resource hungry, and linux tried to work on the minimum just as well as on the maximum.
[12:00] <thoreauputic> yahalom: in practical terms, the difference is that Synaptic/Kynaptic require *some* understanding of how the repository system works - click'n run doesn't
[12:00] <kay> For Linux the kernel is may be true
[12:01] <KaiL> with such distributions like damn small linux you can get that a bit down, but then RAM starts to become a problem very fast
[12:01] <yahalom> KaiL: well it makes sense now. why would such a cool desktop as kde need as much as little as a lousy win98?
[12:01] <kay> for KDE, it may be more true when KDE 4 comes out, but not too much
[12:01] <KaiL> running KDE on a P60 with 96MB RAM -> no problem
[12:01] <thoreauputic> yahalom: you can set up a very usable Linux on old hardware - but it requires some knowledge that your users will not possess
[12:01] <yahalom> thoreauputic: when i first acquired linux, i bought it with my system. the guy told me "say goodbye to being a monkey"
[12:01] <KaiL> running KDE on a *typical* P166 MMX (with 32MB) -> forget it