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| jdub | live.slug.org.au | 02:26 |
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| jdub | live from edu expo here in sydney | 02:26 |
| tseng | lamont: it would be great if f-spot and gecko-sharp could both be i386 powerpc amd64 | 02:26 |
| tseng | hi jdub | 02:31 |
| lifeless | jdub: again ? | 02:33 |
| jdub | lifeless: weekend expo | 02:35 |
| jdub | morning tseng | 02:35 |
| lifeless | arh | 02:35 |
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| lamont | tseng: gecko-sharp is already 'any'. f-spot changed. | 03:23 |
| tseng | lamont: ta dude! | 03:23 |
| lamont | elmo: pls sync PaS 1.566 or later | 03:23 |
| === tseng looks to see if gecko-sharp is still not building | ||
| tseng | lamont: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gecko-sharp/0.6-2ubuntu3/ < i only see i386 for the last few revisions | 03:24 |
| ogra | tseng, arch any | 03:25 |
| tseng | ogra: am I missing something obvious? | 03:25 |
| tseng | oh | 03:25 |
| tseng | I am | 03:25 |
| tseng | sorry. | 03:25 |
| lamont | tseng: gecko-sharp isn't in breezy | 03:26 |
| ogra | lamont, ? | 03:26 |
| tseng | thats the source | 03:26 |
| lamont | or it's arch: all | 03:26 |
| ogra | lamont, ia have it intalled here... | 03:26 |
| ogra | installedeven | 03:26 |
| lamont | wanna-build -bi386/build-db -dbreezy --info gecko-sharp | 03:26 |
| lamont | gecko-sharp: not registered | 03:26 |
| tseng | yeah I understand now the x86 built it for everyone | 03:26 |
| Burgundavia | tseng, I hate to bother you, but have you seen the latest blam error with the new gecko-cil? | 03:31 |
| tseng | the what? | 03:31 |
| Burgundavia | Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: /usr/lib/mozilla/libgtkembedmoz.so | 03:31 |
| tseng | worksforme? | 03:31 |
| Burgundavia | gah, ok will update | 03:32 |
| tseng | yeah try to give me a little more info please | 03:32 |
| tseng | i have that file and all is right as rain | 03:32 |
| Burgundavia | just a sec, trying something | 03:32 |
| Burgundavia | tseng, ok, found it | 03:33 |
| Burgundavia | geck-cil doesn't depend on mozilla-browser anymore, but it still needs it | 03:33 |
| tseng | it depends on firefox | 03:33 |
| tseng | and is built with firefox | 03:34 |
| tseng | hm | 03:34 |
| Burgundavia | if it isn't installed, you get that error | 03:36 |
| tseng | ok | 03:37 |
| Burgundavia | thanks for looking into it | 03:37 |
| tseng | /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so | 03:39 |
| tseng | we need to make it use that instead | 03:39 |
| tseng | give me 2 minutes | 03:39 |
| tseng | buh wth | 03:40 |
| tseng | this stupid thing is half in C for no reason | 03:42 |
| tseng | blam-gecko-utils.cpp:#include <gtkmozembed.h> | 03:43 |
| tseng | --with-mozilla[=mozilla|firefox|thunderbird] | 03:43 |
| tseng | Whether to use mozilla, firefox or thunderbird | 03:43 |
| tseng | gtkmozembed (default: mozilla) | 03:43 |
| tseng | ah I'm dumb | 03:44 |
| Burgundavia | it can be built with thunderbird as well? why can't it select at runtime? | 03:44 |
| tseng | i guess because its built not very nicely into a C lib | 03:45 |
| tseng | and is linked to the wrong place | 03:45 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 03:46 |
| Burgundavia | don't blame anything on malice, which could be blamed on incompletness instead? | 03:46 |
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| mkde | does anyone else have problems connecting to key servers using gpg? | 03:58 |
| trulux | heya | 03:59 |
| trulux | just near to go to bed | 03:59 |
| mkde | hi trulux | 03:59 |
| trulux | I'll need to file some bug reports regarding HP all-in-one printers | 03:59 |
| trulux | we must track support for them | 03:59 |
| trulux | I get mine printing but not scanning | 03:59 |
| trulux | though it's recgonized as a scanner too | 03:59 |
| bur[n] e1 | trulux: same for my HP PSC | 04:01 |
| daniels | mine scans just fine | 04:01 |
| daniels | i use hpoj to do scanning, but it's a pain in the arse | 04:01 |
| bur[n] e1 | either of you able to print to it shared via a windows xp machine? | 04:02 |
| daniels | I have to stop cupsys, stop hpoj, unplug the printer, plug it back in, start hpoj, then start xsane | 04:02 |
| trulux | bur[n] e1: I'll get over it tomorrow ASAP, and contact a folk from HP | 04:02 |
| daniels | apparently hplip works fine | 04:02 |
| daniels | bur[n] e1: yes | 04:02 |
| bur[n] e1 | i keep it on my gf's windows box for scanning, but i wanna print to it | 04:02 |
| bur[n] e1 | daniels: any tips? or was it pretty painless for you? | 04:02 |
| daniels | bur[n] e1: (in the sense that an XP machine can print to it when it's shared from my machine) | 04:02 |
| trulux | daniels: could we work on it for Breezy? these devices are pure crack and people is bullying them quickly | 04:02 |
| bur[n] e1 | i even install unix printing for xp | 04:02 |
| daniels | bur[n] e1: worked fine, but this is more #ubuntu than #-devel | 04:02 |
| bur[n] e1 | yeah yeah | 04:02 |
| bur[n] e1 | sorry | 04:02 |
| daniels | trulux: yah, I know. printingroadmap will take care of it | 04:02 |
| bur[n] e1 | i'm also talking the other way ;) | 04:02 |
| bur[n] e1 | with linux as the client | 04:03 |
| trulux | daniels: s/will/we'll/ I take it personal, I need this bitch scanning ;P | 04:03 |
| trulux | now I must go to sleep | 04:03 |
| daniels | trulux: heh :) well, as I said, hpoj works in the meantime, even if it is a monster hack to get it switching between printing and scanning | 04:03 |
| trulux | it's 4:00am here | 04:03 |
| daniels | night dude | 04:03 |
| mkde | night | 04:03 |
| mkde | everyone happily connecting to pgp keyservers with gpg? :( | 04:04 |
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| mkde | i cannot work out where the problem is, whether its an ubuntu bug, whether its at my isp, or what | 04:05 |
| TheMuso | mkde: What address are you using? Have you tried the round-robbin server mentioned in the gpg man page? | 04:15 |
| mkde | TheMuso, yes i've tried em all :/ | 04:15 |
| mkde | #gnupg baffled so far | 04:15 |
| tseng | mkde: just did a nice big --refresh-keys | 04:16 |
| mkde | tseng, hmm | 04:16 |
| mkde | tseng, you don't know of any ports that need to be forwarded incoming do you? | 04:16 |
| tseng | no | 04:16 |
| tseng | i use it over http | 04:16 |
| mkde | tseng, on hoary? | 04:17 |
| tseng | breezy | 04:17 |
| tseng | but hoary was fine | 04:17 |
| mkde | i can't get http working | 04:17 |
| mkde | #ubuntu? | 04:18 |
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| mkde | ok i'm just gonna give up | 04:22 |
| mkde | night | 04:22 |
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| trulux | daniels: just rebooted to see if it's working | 04:34 |
| trulux | daniels: could you send to my email the details on how you got scanning of the psc 1315 working? | 04:35 |
| trulux | daniels: I'll update hpoj packages to CVS snapshot | 04:35 |
| daniels | trulux: er, I've never had a 1315, only a 1210 | 04:41 |
| daniels | and it's worked with the packaged versions since the warty days | 04:41 |
| daniels | wretched hive of scum and villainy | 04:42 |
| trulux | daniels: OK, then just send me the details about your one | 04:42 |
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| tritium | jdub, we had a rather crafty troll today with multiple hostmasks, and we hit the limit on the ban list, apparently | 05:49 |
| jdub | heh | 05:56 |
| jdub | ouch | 05:56 |
| tritium | yeah, looks like daniels is cleaning out the list ;) | 05:56 |
| tritium | Thanks, daniels! By the way, did mako give you the list of ops from the last CC meeting? What's the proper way to add us to the chanserv access list? | 05:58 |
| daniels | no worries | 05:58 |
| daniels | nope, he didn't; only jdub can add people to the access list | 05:58 |
| daniels | the only ones I roughly remember were you, crimsun and Amaranth? | 05:58 |
| daniels | but that was from the discussion at UDU rather than the CC | 05:58 |
| tritium | ajmitch_ as well | 05:59 |
| daniels | jdub: for i in ajmitch crimsun tritium amaranth; do /m chanserv access #ubuntu add $i 20; done | 06:00 |
| daniels | jdub: kthx | 06:00 |
| tritium | heh, thanks daniels, jdub. I'm double-checking the irc logs to make sure there aren't any others. e.g., possibly ogra | 06:00 |
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| tritium | okay, the UdU list (http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat) is correct, best I can tell. However, dholbach declined, and carlk wasn't present to accept. | 06:12 |
| tritium | That's from the log of the CC meeting here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2005-05-10.html | 06:12 |
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| zyga | hello | 08:38 |
| === zyga just read about hp and ubuntu on slashdot | ||
| zyga | interesting, if it's true | 08:38 |
| daniels | yeah, it's very much true | 08:39 |
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| zyga | even more interesting that US got excluded | 08:39 |
| zyga | daniels: does HP work with canonical to get every part of that laptop (and I mean evey single one) supported? | 08:39 |
| zyga | stuff like working hibernation and wifi? | 08:40 |
| zyga | (which is unfortunatly not the case for most laptops :/ ) | 08:40 |
| daniels | yeah, as I understand it, everything that works on Windows, works on Ubuntu out of the box | 08:41 |
| daniels | working hibernation is a given for most laptops, and wifi generally works these days too | 08:41 |
| daniels | given we support centrino and atheros out of the box, as well sa prism54 and a couple of others | 08:41 |
| daniels | i dare say the majority of laptops with wifi these days would ship with ipw2[12] 00 | 08:41 |
| zyga | ipw2[12] 00? | 08:42 |
| daniels | ipw2100 and ipw2200, the two generations of centrino wireless chipsets | 08:43 |
| zyga | daniels: I've got broadcom card that just plainlny ... doesn't work, even via ndis wrapper (it appears but no connection is possible) | 08:43 |
| zyga | daniels: ah | 08:43 |
| daniels | apparently ndiswrapper has fun issues with breezy's kernel | 08:44 |
| zyga | if this works out I'll gladly buy such laptop :-) | 08:44 |
| zyga | and hell, I'd see my entire university buy lots of them too | 08:44 |
| zyga | we got lots and lots of dells but they work less then great | 08:45 |
| zyga | since they are couple of years old it's time to cycle hardware | 08:45 |
| zyga | :-) | 08:45 |
| zyga | very good thing indeed | 08:45 |
| zyga | one thing still puzzles me, why no USA? | 08:45 |
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| whiprush | you can usually buy a new minipci wifi card to replace that broadcom. Used 2100's and 2200's go for around 20 bucks on ebay these days. | 08:49 |
| whiprush | It beats messing with ndiswrapper. | 08:50 |
| zyga | whiprush: It's a pcmcia card, even easier to replace | 08:50 |
| whiprush | ah. | 08:51 |
| zyga | my laptop has no internala antena so that's far less hassle | 08:51 |
| zyga | (strange thing though it does have minipci slot) | 08:51 |
| zyga | 'computer freeze program' -- final episode looks interesting :> | 08:52 |
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| Unfrgiven | hey all | 09:09 |
| Unfrgiven | i have an interesting problem... im running "dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot" and for some reason it is generating a "<package_name>-<version>.tar.gz.cdbs-config_list". whats that all about? how do I stop it generating the file? I'm using cdbs-0.4.28-1ubuntu1 | 09:11 |
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| cartman | morning all | 09:46 |
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| Nafallo | morning all! | 10:54 |
| zyga | hey Nafallo | 10:55 |
| mvirkkil | Doea a plan regarding the menu editor exist?? | 10:57 |
| mvirkkil | /s/??/? | 10:57 |
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| cartman | how is Cxx transition going? | 11:16 |
| mvirkkil | Does anyone know why firefox doesn't have the gnome theme in hoary? (I was asked this, trying to find the answer) | 11:17 |
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| zoo | hello | 11:17 |
| tgtf | I wanted to start a firefox translation project in to Amharic. But there is no template file in the system. if i just ask would some one put it there? | 11:17 |
| zoo | How does ubuntu automount external usb/iee1394-drives? only by help of udev or does it need automounter support in kernel? | 11:17 |
| jdub | tgtf: almost certainly, yes - and help contribute it upstream | 11:19 |
| jdub | tgtf: you should chat to mako, he speaks amharic :-) | 11:19 |
| tgtf | jdub: I hope mako is listning. can I ask on IRC channel or must send it to the mailing list? | 11:24 |
| hunger | zoo: AFAIK it uses udev/hal/dbus and no kernel support. | 11:25 |
| hunger | zoo: I am not 100% sure though. | 11:25 |
| zoo | okay, thx | 11:25 |
| hunger | zoo: it uses pmount to actually mount. | 11:27 |
| zoo | great | 11:28 |
| === zoo is just building a new kernel | ||
| hunger | zoo: You can always check the ubuntu-kernel's config in /boot/config-version. | 11:29 |
| zoo | i know | 11:29 |
| zoo | thanks | 11:30 |
| jdub | tgtf: he's in the US, so probably not watching at the moment | 11:30 |
| zoo | but i am stripping it down to my hardware | 11:30 |
| jdub | tgtf: if you send an email to mako@ubuntu.com, he'll get you on the right track :) | 11:30 |
| Lathiat | in front of a train | 11:31 |
| Lathiat | (hi) | 11:31 |
| hunger | Lathiat: ... and heading the wrong way? ;-) | 11:31 |
| Lathiat | hunger: heh | 11:31 |
| tgtf | jdub: thanx | 11:32 |
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| pitti | Morning | 11:33 |
| Lathiat | evening | 11:33 |
| Nafallo | morning pitti | 11:33 |
| === Nafallo got up early today. | ||
| Nafallo | I looked at the date 15.5 instead of the time :-P. | 11:34 |
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| Nafallo | jdub: you know if the tool for setting dma on drives from early hoary are coming back in the future? :-) | 11:40 |
| zyga | Nafallo: hdparm? | 11:43 |
| Nafallo | zyga: is that graphical? :-) | 11:44 |
| Nafallo | ooh, I never wrote graphical :-P. | 11:44 |
| zyga | Nafallo: nope :] | 11:44 |
| zyga | Nafallo: gedit is grpahica l ;] | 11:44 |
| Nafallo | zyga: naah, I meant a graphical tool that let you check info on drives and stuff. | 11:45 |
| Nafallo | zyga: so is gnome-terminal ;-) | 11:45 |
| zyga | hehehhe, good point | 11:45 |
| Nafallo | zyga: you have to play with mv to make hdparm start where it should, right? | 11:50 |
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| zyga | Nafallo: mv? | 12:05 |
| zyga | Nafallo: what do you mean? | 12:05 |
| zyga | Nafallo: /etc/hdparm.conf AFAIR | 12:05 |
| Nafallo | zyga: yea, but it S07 in rcS.d here. | 12:06 |
| zyga | ah you mean startup time | 12:06 |
| tseng | Nafallo: you mean as in after udev? | 12:06 |
| tseng | and hotplug | 12:06 |
| tseng | so it doesnt fail on cdroms | 12:07 |
| Nafallo | tseng: yea :-). it's the cdrom that needs the DMA. | 12:07 |
| ogra | tseng, hey | 12:07 |
| tseng | yeah just moving the script isnt a great plan | 12:07 |
| Nafallo | I keep forget to set it manually :-P | 12:07 |
| tseng | the whole system relies on symlinking it | 12:07 |
| tseng | hey ogra | 12:07 |
| mdke | hmmm backports | 12:07 |
| ogra | tseng, gecko-sharp just needs a one line change in the patch in debian/patches | 12:07 |
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| tseng | ogra, blam just needs a hammer and a chainsaw | 12:08 |
| ogra | tseng, that too | 12:08 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 12:08 |
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| tseng | yep i was trying to add that line to blam, not gecko | 12:09 |
| tseng | silly me | 12:09 |
| tseng | ogra: BenM wants our distro patches.. maybe not this one but in general | 12:09 |
| ogra | tseng, but blam still crashes for me :/ | 12:09 |
| ogra | great | 12:09 |
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| ogra | tseng, lets make a big debdiff session in the end of the process for BenM | 12:10 |
| tseng | and for meebey | 12:11 |
| ogra | yep | 12:11 |
| tseng | BenM only needs debian/patches/00list | 12:11 |
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| tseng | ogra: oh man he upaded a bunch in svn | 12:14 |
| ogra | oh | 12:15 |
| tseng | buh, merge | 12:15 |
| tseng | he got the __thread fix | 12:16 |
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| mvirkkil | Riddell: ARGH | 12:37 |
| mvirkkil | Riddell: You messed up the formatting of breezy goals. Every single tab was replaced by a space :-( | 12:38 |
| Riddell | mvirkkil: oops, I didn't see any tabs | 12:39 |
| Riddell | mvirkkil: feel free to revert | 12:39 |
| mvirkkil | Riddell: I think it's a bug in kedit or something. It simply refuses to export tabs, it replaces them with spaces. | 12:39 |
| mvirkkil | Riddell: Can't. Don't have the rights. | 12:39 |
| mvirkkil | Riddell: Did you edit it with an external editor? | 12:40 |
| Riddell | mvirkkil: konqueror | 12:40 |
| Riddell | does sound like a problem | 12:41 |
| mvirkkil | Riddell: I stumbled on that problem when I tried to edit with kedit. | 12:41 |
| mvirkkil | Riddell: Maybe it wasn't you ;-) | 12:41 |
| mvirkkil | Riddell: Though the diff shows it was caused by your edit: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals?action=diff | 12:42 |
| mvirkkil | But if konqueror automatically replaces \t in forms with a space, I'd say that's a bug in konq. | 12:43 |
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| mvirkkil | Riddell: Do you know who is responsible for the udu wiki? | 12:46 |
| dato | Riddell: what Qt version are you using? 3.3.3 has a bug that does precisely that, IIRC. | 12:46 |
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| Riddell | dato: 3.3.3 | 12:47 |
| dato | people complained that e.g. KMail converted tabs to spaces, and it was Qt. fixed in 3.3.4. | 12:47 |
| dato | Riddell: there you are. | 12:47 |
| Riddell | how evil of qt | 12:47 |
| mvirkkil | Truly evil }:-I | 12:47 |
| mvirkkil | Riddell: Is that qt version default for kubuntu? | 12:54 |
| Riddell | mvirkkil: 3.3.3 is in hoary | 12:55 |
| Riddell | 3.3.4 will be in breezy | 12:55 |
| mvirkkil | Riddell: Ok. Thanks for reverting the changes. Do you have some other browser you can redo the changes? | 12:56 |
| Riddell | I have firefox installed which seems to keep crashing and which doesn't have search inside textareas | 12:57 |
| ogra | Riddell, keeps crashing ? works fine here... | 12:58 |
| Riddell | or disappearing or something, when I do alt-left | 12:59 |
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| ogra | hmm, mine swtches pages on alt-left.... | 12:59 |
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| Riddell | damnit, it did it again, something to do with editing large textareas I suspect, is there a way to get a backtrace from firefox? | 01:06 |
| ogra | gdb ? | 01:07 |
| ogra | strace ? | 01:07 |
| ajmitch_ | hi | 01:07 |
| Riddell | ogra: on BreezyGoals edit the page and move the cursor to near the bottom of the edit box selecting text with shift-left and shift-right | 01:08 |
| ogra | works fine | 01:09 |
| jdub | dudes | 01:10 |
| jdub | http://www.slug.org.au/gallery/edexpo05 | 01:10 |
| jdub | first set of photos from the edu expo this weekend | 01:10 |
| jdub | where we handed out over 500 ubuntu CDs :-) | 01:10 |
| tseng | pia is glowing | 01:10 |
| mdke | nice | 01:10 |
| tseng | radioactive! | 01:10 |
| jdub | tseng: don't worry, she's not pregnant | 01:10 |
| tseng | k. | 01:10 |
| jdub | ;-) | 01:11 |
| Riddell | jdub looks pretty orange too | 01:11 |
| tseng | that is some costume | 01:11 |
| jdub | very handy | 01:13 |
| jdub | everyone knew "those crazy orange dudes from the linux booth" :) | 01:13 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 01:14 |
| ogra | the "orange man group" ? | 01:14 |
| jdub | ogra: heh | 01:14 |
| ajmitch_ | scary | 01:15 |
| Treenaks | jdub: you'd do great on "Koninginnedag" (Queen's Day) here in .nl :) | 01:16 |
| Treenaks | it's a bit of a tradition to wear orange on that day :) | 01:16 |
| jdub | is that roughly translatable to "dress and act like an idiot day"? | 01:16 |
| jdub | oh | 01:16 |
| jdub | heh :) | 01:16 |
| Treenaks | and I've been invited to do a talk about "something ubuntu-ish".. but: I've never done a talk in my life.. ever.. | 01:17 |
| Treenaks | does anyone have any tips? | 01:17 |
| Treenaks | uh | 01:17 |
| ogra | speak | 01:17 |
| Treenaks | hints | 01:17 |
| Treenaks | ogra: that's the obvious part.. | 01:18 |
| ogra | ;) | 01:18 |
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| === ogra wonders why the buildds are this silent since 11:41 | ||
| tseng | im the only person uploading | 01:20 |
| tseng | they dont like me. | 01:20 |
| ogra | there ares also synced packages that didnt build yet and should retry... | 01:20 |
| ogra | but i see only i386 output of gsl for today | 01:21 |
| ogra | yay | 01:22 |
| ogra | speaking of the devil :) | 01:22 |
| tseng | cli-common just built | 01:23 |
| ogra | yep | 01:23 |
| Treenaks | hey.. cool: http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050512_124421.html | 01:23 |
| ogra | bah | 01:24 |
| ogra | The company confirmed that it is working with Ubuntu, one of the smaller Linux distribution providers | 01:24 |
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| ogra | Elizabeth Phillips, PR Manager for Integrity [...] said she was not aware of the Ubuntu project. | 01:27 |
| ogra | heh | 01:27 |
| ogra | mako should send her some shipit boxes ! | 01:28 |
| Treenaks | ogra: only a few :) | 01:28 |
| tseng | 10 bags full | 01:28 |
| ogra | yeah | 01:28 |
| Loevborg | I know that move will make me consider buying HP. | 01:28 |
| Loevborg | (if it's serious, of course) | 01:28 |
| ogra | Loevborg, it is... | 01:29 |
| tseng | they were talking about it awhile back | 01:29 |
| tseng | selling business laptops in the us with freedos installed | 01:29 |
| tseng | and a disc with ubuntu and some other linux flavors | 01:29 |
| Loevborg | they'd better offer actual support for linux on their laptops instead of justing shpping a cd. | 01:31 |
| tseng | heh, "they'd better" | 01:31 |
| jdub | Loevborg: canonical provides support | 01:32 |
| Treenaks | this must be one of the reasons for the OEMInstaller stuff? | 01:32 |
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| Loevborg | jdub, that's better :) | 01:33 |
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| zoo | I just installed a self-built kernel. Now my eth0 is not setup at boottime any more. ifup eth0 helps. I see that in /etc/network/interfaces is no "auto eth0" line. Do I need that? I thought that the hotplug system brings the eth0 up anyway. | 01:39 |
| jdub | zoo: "auto eth0" does it | 01:40 |
| zoo | but with an ubuntu kernel it is working without | 01:41 |
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| mdke | bonjour dholbach | 02:09 |
| dholbach | hellas mdke, how are you? | 02:09 |
| mdke | i am very well thanks | 02:09 |
| mdke | yourself? | 02:09 |
| dholbach | i planned to do something on my thesis today, but ended up here doing some stuff for the c++ transition :-) | 02:10 |
| dholbach | but i'm fine, i don't complain | 02:10 |
| mdke | hmm | 02:10 |
| dholbach | thanks :-) | 02:10 |
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| mdke | what stage is your thesis at? | 02:10 |
| dholbach | jdub: i AM in my room :-) | 02:10 |
| jdub | d'oh! | 02:10 |
| mdke | jdub, you can't send a geek to his room | 02:10 |
| dholbach | mdke: it needs love, it really does | 02:10 |
| === jdub sends dholbach to the norty corner :-) | ||
| mdke | you just feed the addiction | 02:10 |
| === mdke sends dholbach out walking the dog | ||
| ogra | hehe, remote controlled dholbach ... | 02:11 |
| zoo | again, when booting with an ubuntu kernel, I don't need to have "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces. The hotplug system is setting eth0 up anyway. But when I use my self-compiled kernel it does not work like this. How can I enable this hotplugging with my kernel? did i forget something? | 02:11 |
| mdke | *grins* | 02:11 |
| ogra | dholbach, you should waer your tinfoil head ;) | 02:11 |
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| ogra | doko, i just had one :) | 02:11 |
| === tseng too | ||
| tseng | stupid dog | 02:12 |
| dholbach | me as well | 02:12 |
| doko | ogra: last week? ;) | 02:12 |
| ogra | doko, .... at the right speed for a walk btw ;) | 02:12 |
| dholbach | jdub: what is the "norty corner"? | 02:12 |
| tseng | naughty | 02:13 |
| tseng | with a silly australian accent | 02:13 |
| mdke | *laughs* | 02:13 |
| mdke | we use that here in england too | 02:13 |
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| tseng | schlesht? | 02:13 |
| jdub | dholbach: when little kids are naughty, a common punishment is to send them to the corner | 02:13 |
| dholbach | i see | 02:13 |
| jdub | it's very brutal and fascist ;) | 02:14 |
| doko | jdub: he should know this, that's usual here as well :) | 02:14 |
| dholbach | if all of you guys were working on the c++ transition, i wouldnt be here | 02:14 |
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| tseng | dholbach: way to pass the blame | 02:14 |
| ajmitch_ | dholbach: we are working... | 02:14 |
| dholbach | tseng: i have no other choice... if i get remote controlled it's only appropriate to pass the blame | 02:14 |
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| ajmitch_ | dholbach: feel free to assign some c++ packages to me to fix | 02:15 |
| jdub | ha ha ha | 02:15 |
| dholbach | everybody just sign up for packages on CxxLibraryList :-) | 02:15 |
| ogra | jdub, 100yrs ago in germany the kids also had to wear paper hats | 02:16 |
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| ogra | *g* | 02:16 |
| dholbach | you all... get a grip! | 02:16 |
| ajmitch_ | dholbach: I seem to have run out of packages to fix after doing the ones there | 02:17 |
| mdke | *grins* | 02:17 |
| mdke | cool paper hat idea | 02:17 |
| mdke | good old days | 02:17 |
| dholbach | ajmitch_: there are "some" packages left :-)) | 02:18 |
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| ajmitch_ | dholbach: good, I can't choose which ones to do, so throw some my way ;) | 02:20 |
| dholbach | i will do mine | 02:20 |
| dholbach | not exactly now, but i will do them :-) | 02:20 |
| ajmitch_ | ok | 02:20 |
| ogra | tseng, Unhandled Exception: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object | 02:21 |
| ogra | in <0x00023> PixbufUtils:Fit (Gdk.Pixbuf,int,int,bool,int&,int&) | 02:21 |
| ogra | in <0x00052> PixbufUtils:ScaleToAspect (Gdk.Pixbuf,int,int) | 02:21 |
| tseng | yes | 02:21 |
| ogra | looks like f-spot has the gdk problem too | 02:21 |
| ogra | so it might lie deeper down.... not at the application level.... | 02:22 |
| tseng | is that f-spot 0.0.13? | 02:22 |
| ogra | yep | 02:22 |
| tseng | wtf | 02:22 |
| ogra | with some small changes (dh_clideps etc) | 02:23 |
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| ogra | tseng, form mono: debian/patches/02_soname_map.dpatch:- <dllmap dll="libgdk_pixbuf-2.0-0.dll" target="libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so" /> | 02:31 |
| ogra | debian/patches/02_soname_map.dpatch:+ <dllmap dll="libgdk_pixbuf-2.0-0.dll" target="libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0" /> | 02:31 |
| tseng | yes? | 02:32 |
| ogra | dunno if thats correct... | 02:32 |
| tseng | to check it we have to grep around for DllImport of gdk_pixbuf | 02:32 |
| tseng | i doubt it is loading .dll explicitly | 02:33 |
| tseng | is that on /etc/mono/config? | 02:33 |
| ogra | nope | 02:33 |
| tseng | so.. | 02:33 |
| ogra | but | 02:33 |
| tseng | what file | 02:33 |
| ogra | ldconfig -v |grep libgdk_ | 02:34 |
| ogra | libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.so.0 -> libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.so.0.400.10 | 02:34 |
| ogra | libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 -> libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.400.10 | 02:34 |
| ogra | libgdk_imlib.so.1 -> libgdk_imlib.so.1.9.14 | 02:34 |
| ogra | libgdk_imlib.so.1 -> libgdk_imlib.so.1.9.14 | 02:34 |
| ogra | libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 -> libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.600.7 | 02:34 |
| ogra | libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.so.0 -> libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.so.0.600.7 | 02:34 |
| ogra | amd64 prob it seems | 02:34 |
| ogra | the 32 bit libs are libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.400.10 | 02:35 |
| ogra | the 64 bit ones libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.600.7 | 02:35 |
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| tseng | ahah | 02:38 |
| tseng | well that is craptastic | 02:38 |
| tseng | would you mind working with lewing on that? I had really great success getting him to fix other (similar) issues upstream | 02:39 |
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| tseng | or we can hack around installing 2 seperate config files | 02:42 |
| ogra | tseng, let me talk to tollef first | 02:42 |
| tseng | ok. | 02:42 |
| ogra | there is also ... warning: could not find path for ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 | 02:42 |
| tseng | cant help you there either :( | 02:43 |
| ogra | thats definately a thing i need explanation for from tollef | 02:43 |
| ajmitch_ | night all | 02:45 |
| tseng | bye ajmitch_ | 02:45 |
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| tseng | jdub: time to test new gamin! | 02:53 |
| tseng | jdub: dude.. it doesnt suck | 03:04 |
| tseng | jdub: upload! | 03:04 |
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| jdub | tseng: fab asked me to wait for his next kernel :) | 03:15 |
| Lathiat | jdub: got a test one? | 03:15 |
| Lathiat | man pizzas are sucha rip | 03:16 |
| Lathiat | $16.95 for _ONE_ pizza delivered.. fortunately they have a coupon on their website for $10 delivered | 03:16 |
| zoo | Lathiat: what a scam | 03:42 |
| Lathiat | zoo: ooh yeh | 03:42 |
| Lathiat | you can get it down to like $7 per pizza if you buy two and have the right voucher | 03:43 |
| zoo | i never pay more that 7$ per pizza, even if it's delivered | 03:43 |
| lifeless | zoo: where do you live ? | 03:45 |
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| zoo | lifeless: germany | 03:53 |
| zoo | lifeless: and you? | 03:53 |
| lifeless | AUD.au | 03:53 |
| lifeless | so you nevceer pay more than 7 marks ? whats the exchange rate ? | 03:54 |
| lifeless | :) | 03:54 |
| zoo | lifeless: ha ha ha, we use EURO nowadays | 03:54 |
| zoo | shit shit, i meant 7 | 03:54 |
| lifeless | thats 14 AUD IIRC | 03:54 |
| lifeless | Lathiat was talking AUD | 03:55 |
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| zoo | anways, i always bake my pizzas myself | 03:55 |
| Lathiat | yeh | 03:55 |
| Lathiat | 14aud is abotu 7 euros | 03:55 |
| Lathiat | which is what i paid | 03:56 |
| Lathiat | 13.20 for pizza+garlic bread | 03:56 |
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| opi | hi | 04:11 |
| mdke | zoo, ++ | 04:11 |
| mdke | its all about home made pizza | 04:11 |
| ogra | tseng, still alive ? | 04:19 |
| tseng | ogra: yes | 04:20 |
| ogra | grep db2 /etc/mono/config | 04:21 |
| ogra | <dllmap dll="db2cli" target="libdb2_36.so"/> | 04:21 |
| tseng | another amd64 miss-number? | 04:21 |
| zoo | mdke: I always bake a whole plate and eat it on my own :) | 04:21 |
| ogra | tseng, i think its more general | 04:21 |
| ogra | tseng, libdb2_36.so doesnt exist, we only have libdb2.so | 04:22 |
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| tseng | i only have .so.2 and 1.so | 04:22 |
| tseng | ok | 04:22 |
| ogra | libdb2.so.2 | 04:22 |
| ogra | yep | 04:22 |
| zoo | mdke: cd pizza-1.6-dev-cvs; make --with-onions --with-pepperoni --with-peppers --with-special-cheese | 04:23 |
| ogra | zoo, does that work with gcc4 ? | 04:23 |
| zoo | ogra: when you check it out from cvs, yes | 04:24 |
| zoo | ogra: but you need very very recent yeast from cvs, too | 04:24 |
| ogra | it should have a gjc run afterwards as well to get the kaffee | 04:24 |
| tseng | ogra: hm it looks like we arent patching mono/config anymore | 04:25 |
| ogra | tseng, yes, i noticed, there is debian/patches/02_soname_map.dpatch that seemsnot to get applied | 04:26 |
| tseng | alot of it is fixed | 04:26 |
| tseng | we have awesome upstream support now dude, so everything we can should go there | 04:26 |
| ogra | ok | 04:27 |
| tseng | the rpms are now patch free | 04:27 |
| tseng | we can get close | 04:27 |
| tseng | do you have a list/memory of your stuff so far? | 04:27 |
| ogra | hopefully | 04:27 |
| tseng | we should make a wiki page | 04:27 |
| ogra | yep | 04:27 |
| tseng | because its getting to be too much for me to give off the top of my head | 04:28 |
| tseng | ill make a section for each app, then changes from debian and upstream | 04:28 |
| ogra | i'll just have to look at the debdiff in the end... | 04:28 |
| tseng | benm says drop 07 in mono | 04:30 |
| tseng | for 1.1.7, so there are no patches there | 04:30 |
| tseng | i started putting it on MOTUMono | 04:33 |
| tseng | but i need to work look at gtk#2 | 04:33 |
| tseng | see if this svn snapshot from upstream works all right | 04:34 |
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| vuntz | hi | 04:39 |
| vuntz | mjg59: ping? | 04:39 |
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| vuntz | mjg59: I made a small program to handle the hotkeys that generate acpi events so that they can be useful in gnome | 04:40 |
| vuntz | mjg59: If you're interested: http://www.gnome.org/~vuntz/gnome-acpi-keys-0.1.tar.gz | 04:41 |
| vuntz | most of the code comes from gnome-control-center | 04:41 |
| vuntz | and with the right scripts in /etc/acpi, it works nicely :-) | 04:41 |
| vuntz | at least here | 04:41 |
| pitti | Hi | 04:42 |
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| KaiL | vuntz: but that's only usefull for gnome? | 04:47 |
| vuntz | KaiL: it works the same way than the gnome-settings-daemon does, i.e. it looks for some things in gconf | 04:48 |
| vuntz | KaiL: but it can certainly be made more generic | 04:48 |
| ogra | vuntz, hmm, could i use it to replace the weird acerhk crack ? | 04:51 |
| vuntz | KaiL: you can also use it without running gnome, but it'll launch a gconfd | 04:51 |
| vuntz | ogra: I don't know the acerhk crack, so I don't know | 04:51 |
| ogra | acer laptops only are able to send otkey keycodes, but no events... the acerhk patch bends the kernel in a way that they generate events instead, but its a weird hack | 04:52 |
| ogra | s/otkey/hotkey | 04:52 |
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| ogra | so having such a remapping done in userspace would be rad | 04:54 |
| vuntz | ah | 04:54 |
| vuntz | no, it won't solve your problem | 04:54 |
| ogra | sad... | 04:55 |
| vuntz | I have the same situation for my asus | 04:55 |
| ogra | next time lets buy ibm or hp ;) | 04:55 |
| vuntz | the program I wrote is just a quick way to use the generated events | 04:55 |
| vuntz | ogra: ahah | 04:55 |
| ogra | ah, so rather something to attach to pmi | 04:56 |
| KaiL | vuntz: be happy then - the only report about an Asus laptop I have goes: "boot with acpi=off, else it won't start" | 04:56 |
| ogra | KaiL, but that problem ies deeper down :) | 04:57 |
| ogra | lies even | 04:57 |
| ogra | (kernel layer) | 04:57 |
| KaiL | ogra: yes :/ | 04:58 |
| KaiL | but Asus + Linux is really a bit problematic | 05:00 |
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| karim | hi | 05:05 |
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| tseng | ogra: do you have a patch for your manpage fixes? | 05:30 |
| ogra | tseng, nope, but i'll make one of it | 05:47 |
| tseng | ogra: awesome! | 05:47 |
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| trulux | pitti: ping | 06:07 |
| pitti | trulux: I'm half here | 06:07 |
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| trulux | pitti: I'm working on a school-related thing, just wondering if you could update -hardened packages to latest grsec and even take patches from http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/gentoo/hardened/kernel/hardened-patches-2.6-11.3.tar.bz2 | 06:09 |
| trulux | pitti: almost finished the patch | 06:11 |
| trulux | pitti: BTW, TCP src ports randomization should be enabled by default, same as pids | 06:12 |
| trulux | pitti: there's no sense on making it sysctl'able | 06:12 |
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| pitti | trulux: not today, I'll look at it next week | 06:19 |
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| trulux | pitti: OK, no worries. I need to release the spec. ASAP though | 06:27 |
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| pitti | bye | 06:51 |
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| CarlK | ubuntu-5.04-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent has 0 seeds. shouldn't the original always be "up" ? | 07:10 |
| zenrox | hears a good question what file do i need to edit to change to get my specal vol key to change the vol on the pcm vol control and not the master? | 07:11 |
| CarlK | zenrox - | 07:13 |
| CarlK | zenrox - im answering in #ubuntu | 07:13 |
| zenrox | ok | 07:13 |
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| mkde | is there a decent GUI for changing boot services in universe or something? if not, could I suggest one which might be of interest | 08:48 |
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| thom | mkde: there's not one i know of, so if you wanted to suggest one go ahead | 08:52 |
| mkde | ok | 08:52 |
| mkde | its called Ubuntu Bootup Manager | 08:52 |
| mkde | screenie http://mdke.mine.nu/ubm.png | 08:53 |
| Loevborg | the beautiful 404 boot service manager. | 08:53 |
| mkde | damn | 08:53 |
| mkde | sarky | 08:53 |
| mkde | capitalise UBM sorry | 08:53 |
| mkde | screenie http://mdke.mine.nu/UBM.png | 08:54 |
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| Loevborg | mkde, IMO, the whole bootup process needs to be revamped (drop runlevels, get rid of scripts, parallelize, allow for user-level services) anyway | 08:55 |
| mkde | Loevborg, yes i agree, but thats not what i wanted to talk about | 08:55 |
| Loevborg | mkde, what does it do when you uncheck the "boot" flag? | 08:57 |
| mkde | it stops the service starting at boot | 08:58 |
| Loevborg | mkde, I mean, how does it disable it | 08:58 |
| mkde | its a frontend for update-rc.d | 08:58 |
| Loevborg | ah. | 08:58 |
| Loevborg | it doesn't disable the service. | 08:58 |
| mkde | it does it properly in accordance with debian policy | 08:58 |
| Loevborg | (because, there's no way to properly do that AFAIK) | 08:58 |
| mkde | http://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubm.html <-- download http://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubmdocs.html <-- explanation of how it works | 08:59 |
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| trulux | argh, still not getting the psc 1315 scanner working | 09:51 |
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| blueyed | The torrents are still down. | 09:53 |
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| mdke | mako, around? | 11:08 |
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| dholbach | Rickdangerous! i loved that game :-) | 11:35 |
| Rickdangerous | dholbach, yes I'll always remeber that christmas (that've played first) | 11:36 |
| dholbach | :-)))) | 11:36 |
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| dholbach | hey seb128 | 11:54 |
| seb128 | hey dholbach !! | 11:55 |
| tseng | hey dudes | 11:55 |
| dholbach | seb128: long time no see | 11:56 |
| dholbach | hey tseng | 11:56 |
| seb128 | dholbach: as you say :) | 11:57 |
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