[02:26] <jdub> live.slug.org.au
[02:26] <jdub> live from edu expo here in sydney
[02:26] <tseng> lamont: it would be great if f-spot and gecko-sharp could both be i386 powerpc amd64
[02:31] <tseng> hi jdub 
[02:33] <lifeless> jdub: again ?
[02:35] <jdub> lifeless: weekend expo
[02:35] <jdub> morning tseng 
[02:35] <lifeless> arh
[03:23] <lamont> tseng: gecko-sharp is already 'any'.  f-spot changed.
[03:23] <tseng> lamont: ta dude!
[03:23] <lamont> elmo: pls sync PaS 1.566 or later
[03:24] <tseng> lamont: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gecko-sharp/0.6-2ubuntu3/ < i only see i386 for the last few revisions
[03:25] <ogra> tseng, arch any
[03:25] <tseng> ogra: am I missing something obvious?
[03:25] <tseng> oh
[03:25] <tseng> I am
[03:25] <tseng> sorry.
[03:26] <lamont> tseng: gecko-sharp isn't in breezy
[03:26] <ogra> lamont, ?
[03:26] <tseng> thats the source
[03:26] <lamont> or it's arch: all
[03:26] <ogra> lamont, ia have it intalled here...
[03:26] <ogra> installedeven
[03:26] <lamont> wanna-build -bi386/build-db -dbreezy --info gecko-sharp
[03:26] <lamont> gecko-sharp: not registered
[03:26] <tseng> yeah I understand now the x86 built it for everyone
[03:31] <Burgundavia> tseng, I hate to bother you, but have you seen the latest blam error with the new gecko-cil?
[03:31] <tseng> the what?
[03:31] <Burgundavia> Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: /usr/lib/mozilla/libgtkembedmoz.so
[03:31] <tseng> worksforme?
[03:32] <Burgundavia> gah, ok will update
[03:32] <tseng> yeah try to give me a little more info please
[03:32] <tseng> i have that file and all is right as rain
[03:32] <Burgundavia> just a sec, trying something
[03:33] <Burgundavia> tseng, ok, found it
[03:33] <Burgundavia> geck-cil doesn't depend on mozilla-browser anymore, but it still needs it
[03:33] <tseng> it depends on firefox
[03:34] <tseng> and is built with firefox
[03:34] <tseng> hm
[03:36] <Burgundavia> if it isn't installed, you get that error
[03:37] <tseng> ok
[03:37] <Burgundavia> thanks for looking into it
[03:39] <tseng>  /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so
[03:39] <tseng> we need to make it use that instead
[03:39] <tseng> give me 2 minutes
[03:40] <tseng> buh wth
[03:42] <tseng> this stupid thing is half in C for no reason
[03:43] <tseng> blam-gecko-utils.cpp:#include <gtkmozembed.h>
[03:43] <tseng>   --with-mozilla[=mozilla|firefox|thunderbird] 
[03:43] <tseng>                           Whether to use mozilla, firefox or thunderbird
[03:43] <tseng>                           gtkmozembed (default: mozilla)
[03:44] <tseng> ah I'm dumb
[03:44] <Burgundavia> it can be built with thunderbird as well? why can't it select at runtime?
[03:45] <tseng> i guess because its built not very nicely into a C lib
[03:45] <tseng> and is linked to the wrong place
[03:46] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:46] <Burgundavia> don't blame anything on malice, which could be blamed on incompletness instead?
[03:58] <mkde> does anyone else have problems connecting to key servers using gpg?
[03:59] <trulux> heya
[03:59] <trulux> just near to go to bed
[03:59] <mkde> hi trulux 
[03:59] <trulux> I'll need to file some bug reports regarding HP all-in-one printers
[03:59] <trulux> we must track support for them
[03:59] <trulux> I get mine printing but not scanning
[03:59] <trulux> though it's recgonized as a scanner too
[04:01] <bur[n] e1> trulux: same for my HP PSC
[04:01] <daniels> mine scans just fine
[04:01] <daniels> i use hpoj to do scanning, but it's a pain in the arse
[04:02] <bur[n] e1> either of you able to print to it shared via a windows xp machine?
[04:02] <daniels> I have to stop cupsys, stop hpoj, unplug the printer, plug it back in, start hpoj, then start xsane
[04:02] <trulux> bur[n] e1: I'll get over it tomorrow ASAP, and contact a folk from HP
[04:02] <daniels> apparently hplip works fine
[04:02] <daniels> bur[n] e1: yes
[04:02] <bur[n] e1> i keep it on my gf's windows box for scanning, but i wanna print to it
[04:02] <bur[n] e1> daniels: any tips?  or was it pretty painless for you?
[04:02] <daniels> bur[n] e1: (in the sense that an XP machine can print to it when it's shared from my machine)
[04:02] <trulux> daniels: could we work on it for Breezy? these devices are pure crack and people is bullying them quickly
[04:02] <bur[n] e1> i even install unix printing for xp
[04:02] <daniels> bur[n] e1: worked fine, but this is more #ubuntu than #-devel
[04:02] <bur[n] e1> yeah yeah
[04:02] <bur[n] e1> sorry
[04:02] <daniels> trulux: yah, I know.  printingroadmap will take care of it
[04:02] <bur[n] e1> i'm also talking the other way ;)
[04:03] <bur[n] e1> with linux as the client
[04:03] <trulux> daniels: s/will/we'll/ I take it personal, I need this bitch scanning ;P
[04:03] <trulux> now I must go to sleep
[04:03] <daniels> trulux: heh :) well, as I said, hpoj works in the meantime, even if it is a monster hack to get it switching between printing and scanning
[04:03] <trulux> it's 4:00am here
[04:03] <daniels> night dude
[04:03] <mkde> night
[04:04] <mkde> everyone happily connecting to pgp keyservers with gpg? :(
[04:05] <mkde> i cannot work out where the problem is, whether its an ubuntu bug, whether its at my isp, or what
[04:15] <TheMuso> mkde: What address are you using? Have you tried the round-robbin server mentioned in the gpg man page?
[04:15] <mkde> TheMuso, yes i've tried em all :/
[04:15] <mkde> #gnupg baffled so far
[04:16] <tseng> mkde: just did a nice big --refresh-keys
[04:16] <mkde> tseng, hmm
[04:16] <mkde> tseng, you don't know of any ports that need to be forwarded incoming do you?
[04:16] <tseng> no
[04:16] <tseng> i use it over http
[04:17] <mkde> tseng, on hoary?
[04:17] <tseng> breezy
[04:17] <tseng> but hoary was fine
[04:17] <mkde> i can't get http working
[04:18] <mkde> #ubuntu?
[04:22] <mkde> ok i'm just gonna give up
[04:22] <mkde> night
[04:34] <trulux> daniels: just rebooted to see if it's working
[04:35] <trulux> daniels: could you send to my email the details on how you got scanning of the psc 1315 working?
[04:35] <trulux> daniels: I'll update hpoj packages to CVS snapshot
[04:41] <daniels> trulux: er, I've never had a 1315, only a 1210
[04:41] <daniels> and it's worked with the packaged versions since the warty days
[04:42] <daniels> wretched hive of scum and villainy
[04:42] <trulux> daniels: OK, then just send me the details about your one
[05:49] <tritium> jdub, we had a rather crafty troll today with multiple hostmasks, and we hit the limit on the ban list, apparently
[05:56] <jdub> heh
[05:56] <jdub> ouch
[05:56] <tritium> yeah, looks like daniels is cleaning out the list ;)
[05:58] <tritium> Thanks, daniels!  By the way, did mako give you the list of ops from the last CC meeting?  What's the proper way to add us to the chanserv access list?
[05:58] <daniels> no worries
[05:58] <daniels> nope, he didn't; only jdub can add people to the access list
[05:58] <daniels> the only ones I roughly remember were you, crimsun and Amaranth?
[05:58] <daniels> but that was from the discussion at UDU rather than the CC
[05:59] <tritium> ajmitch_ as well
[06:00] <daniels> jdub: for i in ajmitch crimsun tritium amaranth; do /m chanserv access #ubuntu add $i 20; done
[06:00] <daniels> jdub: kthx
[06:00] <tritium> heh, thanks daniels, jdub.  I'm double-checking the irc logs to make sure there aren't any others.  e.g., possibly ogra
[06:12] <tritium> okay, the UdU list (http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat) is correct, best I can tell.  However, dholbach declined, and carlk wasn't present to accept.
[06:12] <tritium> That's from the log of the CC meeting here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2005-05-10.html
[08:38] <zyga> hello
[08:38] <zyga> interesting, if it's true
[08:39] <daniels> yeah, it's very much true
[08:39] <zyga> even more interesting that US got excluded
[08:39] <zyga> daniels: does HP work with canonical to get every part of that laptop (and I mean evey single one) supported?
[08:40] <zyga> stuff like working hibernation and wifi?
[08:40] <zyga> (which is unfortunatly not the case for most laptops :/ )
[08:41] <daniels> yeah, as I understand it, everything that works on Windows, works on Ubuntu out of the box
[08:41] <daniels> working hibernation is a given for most laptops, and wifi generally works these days too
[08:41] <daniels> given we support centrino and atheros out of the box, as well sa prism54 and a couple of others
[08:41] <daniels> i dare say the majority of laptops with wifi these days would ship with ipw2[12] 00
[08:42] <zyga> ipw2[12] 00?
[08:43] <daniels> ipw2100 and ipw2200, the two generations of centrino wireless chipsets
[08:43] <zyga> daniels: I've got broadcom card that just plainlny ... doesn't work, even via ndis wrapper (it appears but no connection is possible)
[08:43] <zyga> daniels: ah
[08:44] <daniels> apparently ndiswrapper has fun issues with breezy's kernel
[08:44] <zyga> if this works out I'll gladly buy such laptop :-)
[08:44] <zyga> and hell, I'd see my entire university buy lots of them too
[08:45] <zyga> we got lots and lots of dells but they work less then great
[08:45] <zyga> since they are couple of years old it's time to cycle hardware
[08:45] <zyga> :-)
[08:45] <zyga> very good thing indeed
[08:45] <zyga> one thing still puzzles me, why no USA?
[08:49] <whiprush> you can usually buy a new minipci wifi card to replace that broadcom. Used 2100's and 2200's go for around 20 bucks on ebay these days.
[08:50] <whiprush> It beats messing with ndiswrapper.
[08:50] <zyga> whiprush: It's a pcmcia card, even easier to replace
[08:51] <whiprush> ah.
[08:51] <zyga> my laptop has no internala antena so that's far less hassle 
[08:51] <zyga> (strange thing though it does have minipci slot)
[08:52] <zyga> 'computer freeze program' -- final episode looks interesting :>
[09:09] <Unfrgiven> hey all
[09:11] <Unfrgiven> i have an interesting problem... im running "dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot" and for some reason it is generating a "<package_name>-<version>.tar.gz.cdbs-config_list". whats that all about? how do I stop it generating the file? I'm using cdbs-0.4.28-1ubuntu1
[09:46] <cartman> morning all
[10:54] <Nafallo> morning all!
[10:55] <zyga> hey Nafallo 
[10:57] <mvirkkil> Doea a plan regarding the menu editor exist??
[10:57] <mvirkkil> /s/??/?
[11:16] <cartman> how is Cxx transition going?
[11:17] <mvirkkil> Does anyone know why firefox doesn't have the gnome theme in hoary? (I was asked this, trying to find the answer)
[11:17] <zoo> hello
[11:17] <tgtf> I wanted to start a firefox translation project in to Amharic. But there is no template file in the system. if i just ask would some one put it there? 
[11:17] <zoo> How does ubuntu automount external usb/iee1394-drives? only by help of udev or does it need automounter support in kernel?
[11:19] <jdub> tgtf: almost certainly, yes - and help contribute it upstream
[11:19] <jdub> tgtf: you should chat to mako, he speaks amharic :-)
[11:24] <tgtf> jdub: I hope mako is listning. can I ask on IRC channel or must send it to the mailing list? 
[11:25] <hunger> zoo: AFAIK it uses udev/hal/dbus and no kernel support.
[11:25] <hunger> zoo: I am not 100% sure though.
[11:25] <zoo> okay, thx
[11:27] <hunger> zoo: it uses pmount to actually mount.
[11:28] <zoo> great
[11:29] <hunger> zoo: You can always check the ubuntu-kernel's config in /boot/config-version.
[11:29] <zoo> i know
[11:30] <zoo> thanks
[11:30] <jdub> tgtf: he's in the US, so probably not watching at the moment
[11:30] <zoo> but i am stripping it down to my hardware
[11:30] <jdub> tgtf: if you send an email to mako@ubuntu.com, he'll get you on the right track :)
[11:31] <Lathiat> in front of a train
[11:31] <Lathiat> (hi)
[11:31] <hunger> Lathiat: ... and heading the wrong way? ;-)
[11:31] <Lathiat> hunger: heh
[11:32] <tgtf> jdub: thanx
[11:33] <pitti> Morning
[11:33] <Lathiat> evening
[11:33] <Nafallo> morning pitti
[11:34] <Nafallo> I looked at the date 15.5 instead of the time :-P.
[11:40] <Nafallo> jdub: you know if the tool for setting dma on drives from early hoary are coming back in the future? :-)
[11:43] <zyga> Nafallo: hdparm?
[11:44] <Nafallo> zyga: is that graphical? :-)
[11:44] <Nafallo> ooh, I never wrote graphical :-P.
[11:44] <zyga> Nafallo: nope :] 
[11:44] <zyga> Nafallo: gedit is grpahica l ;] 
[11:45] <Nafallo> zyga: naah, I meant a graphical tool that let you check info on drives and stuff.
[11:45] <Nafallo> zyga: so is gnome-terminal ;-)
[11:45] <zyga> hehehhe, good point
[11:50] <Nafallo> zyga: you have to play with mv to make hdparm start where it should, right?
[12:05] <zyga> Nafallo: mv?
[12:05] <zyga> Nafallo: what do you mean?
[12:05] <zyga> Nafallo: /etc/hdparm.conf AFAIR
[12:06] <Nafallo> zyga: yea, but it S07 in rcS.d here.
[12:06] <zyga> ah you mean startup time
[12:06] <tseng> Nafallo: you mean as in after udev?
[12:06] <tseng> and hotplug
[12:07] <tseng> so it doesnt fail on cdroms
[12:07] <Nafallo> tseng: yea :-). it's the cdrom that needs the DMA.
[12:07] <ogra> tseng, hey
[12:07] <tseng> yeah just moving the script isnt a great plan
[12:07] <Nafallo> I keep forget to set it manually :-P
[12:07] <tseng> the whole system relies on symlinking it
[12:07] <tseng> hey ogra 
[12:07] <mdke> hmmm backports
[12:07] <ogra> tseng, gecko-sharp just needs a one line change in the patch in debian/patches
[12:08] <tseng> ogra, blam just needs a hammer and a chainsaw
[12:08] <ogra> tseng, that too
[12:08] <Nafallo> hehe
[12:09] <tseng> yep i was trying to add that line to blam, not gecko
[12:09] <tseng> silly me
[12:09] <tseng> ogra: BenM wants our distro patches.. maybe not this one but in general
[12:09] <ogra> tseng, but blam still crashes for me :/
[12:09] <ogra> great
[12:10] <ogra> tseng, lets make a big debdiff session in the end of the process for BenM
[12:11] <tseng> and for meebey
[12:11] <ogra> yep
[12:11] <tseng> BenM only needs debian/patches/00list
[12:14] <tseng> ogra: oh man he upaded a bunch in svn
[12:15] <ogra> oh
[12:15] <tseng> buh, merge
[12:16] <tseng> he got the __thread fix
[12:37] <mvirkkil> Riddell: ARGH
[12:38] <mvirkkil> Riddell: You messed up the formatting of breezy goals. Every single tab was replaced by a space :-(
[12:39] <Riddell> mvirkkil: oops, I didn't see any tabs
[12:39] <Riddell> mvirkkil: feel free to revert
[12:39] <mvirkkil> Riddell: I think it's a bug in kedit or something. It simply refuses to export tabs, it replaces them with spaces.
[12:39] <mvirkkil> Riddell: Can't. Don't have the rights.
[12:40] <mvirkkil> Riddell: Did you edit it with an external editor?
[12:40] <Riddell> mvirkkil: konqueror
[12:41] <Riddell> does sound like a problem
[12:41] <mvirkkil> Riddell: I stumbled on that problem when I tried to edit with kedit.
[12:41] <mvirkkil> Riddell: Maybe it wasn't you ;-)
[12:42] <mvirkkil> Riddell: Though the diff shows it was caused by your edit: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals?action=diff
[12:43] <mvirkkil> But if konqueror automatically replaces \t in forms with a space, I'd say that's a bug in konq.
[12:46] <mvirkkil> Riddell: Do you know who is responsible for the udu wiki?
[12:46] <dato> Riddell: what Qt version are you using? 3.3.3 has a bug that does precisely that, IIRC.
[12:47] <Riddell> dato: 3.3.3
[12:47] <dato> people complained that e.g. KMail converted tabs to spaces, and it was Qt. fixed in 3.3.4.
[12:47] <dato> Riddell: there you are.
[12:47] <Riddell> how evil of qt
[12:47] <mvirkkil> Truly evil }:-I
[12:54] <mvirkkil> Riddell: Is that qt version default for kubuntu?
[12:55] <Riddell> mvirkkil: 3.3.3 is in hoary
[12:55] <Riddell> 3.3.4 will be in breezy
[12:56] <mvirkkil> Riddell: Ok. Thanks for reverting the changes. Do you have some other browser you can redo the changes?
[12:57] <Riddell> I have firefox installed which seems to keep crashing and which doesn't have search inside textareas
[12:58] <ogra> Riddell, keeps crashing ? works fine here...
[12:59] <Riddell> or disappearing or something, when I do alt-left
[12:59] <ogra> hmm, mine swtches pages on alt-left....
[01:06] <Riddell> damnit, it did it again, something to do with editing large textareas I suspect, is there a way to get a backtrace from firefox?
[01:07] <ogra> gdb ?
[01:07] <ogra> strace ?
[01:07] <ajmitch_> hi
[01:08] <Riddell> ogra: on BreezyGoals edit the page and move the cursor to near the bottom of the edit box selecting text with shift-left and shift-right
[01:09] <ogra> works fine
[01:10] <jdub> dudes
[01:10] <jdub> http://www.slug.org.au/gallery/edexpo05
[01:10] <jdub> first set of photos from the edu expo this weekend
[01:10] <jdub> where we handed out over 500 ubuntu CDs :-)
[01:10] <tseng> pia is glowing
[01:10] <mdke> nice
[01:10] <tseng> radioactive!
[01:10] <jdub> tseng: don't worry, she's not pregnant
[01:10] <tseng> k.
[01:11] <jdub> ;-)
[01:11] <Riddell> jdub looks pretty orange too
[01:11] <tseng> that is some costume
[01:13] <jdub> very handy
[01:13] <jdub> everyone knew "those crazy orange dudes from the linux booth" :)
[01:14] <Nafallo> hehe
[01:14] <ogra> the "orange man group" ?
[01:14] <jdub> ogra: heh
[01:15] <ajmitch_> scary
[01:16] <Treenaks> jdub: you'd do great on "Koninginnedag" (Queen's Day) here in .nl :)
[01:16] <Treenaks> it's a bit of a tradition to wear orange on that day :)
[01:16] <jdub> is that roughly translatable to "dress and act like an idiot day"?
[01:16] <jdub> oh
[01:16] <jdub> heh :)
[01:17] <Treenaks> and I've been invited to do a talk about "something ubuntu-ish".. but: I've never done a talk in my life.. ever..
[01:17] <Treenaks> does anyone have any tips?
[01:17] <Treenaks> uh
[01:17] <ogra> speak
[01:17] <Treenaks> hints
[01:18] <Treenaks> ogra: that's the obvious part..
[01:18] <ogra> ;)
[01:20] <tseng> im the only person uploading
[01:20] <tseng> they dont like me.
[01:20] <ogra> there ares also synced packages that didnt build yet and should retry...
[01:21] <ogra> but i see only i386 output of gsl for today
[01:22] <ogra> yay
[01:22] <ogra> speaking of the devil :)
[01:23] <tseng> cli-common just built
[01:23] <ogra> yep
[01:23] <Treenaks> hey.. cool: http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050512_124421.html
[01:24] <ogra> bah
[01:24] <ogra> The company confirmed that it is working with Ubuntu, one of the smaller Linux distribution providers
[01:27] <ogra> Elizabeth Phillips, PR Manager for Integrity [...]  said she was not aware of the Ubuntu project.
[01:27] <ogra> heh
[01:28] <ogra> mako should send her some shipit boxes !
[01:28] <Treenaks> ogra: only a few :)
[01:28] <tseng> 10 bags full
[01:28] <ogra> yeah
[01:28] <Loevborg> I know that move will make me consider buying HP.
[01:28] <Loevborg> (if it's serious, of course)
[01:29] <ogra> Loevborg, it is...
[01:29] <tseng> they were talking about it awhile back
[01:29] <tseng> selling business laptops in the us with freedos installed
[01:29] <tseng> and a disc with ubuntu and some other linux flavors
[01:31] <Loevborg> they'd better offer actual support for linux on their laptops instead of justing shpping a cd.
[01:31] <tseng> heh, "they'd better"
[01:32] <jdub> Loevborg: canonical provides support
[01:32] <Treenaks> this must be one of the reasons for the OEMInstaller stuff?
[01:33] <Loevborg> jdub, that's better :)
[01:39] <zoo> I just installed a self-built kernel. Now my eth0 is not setup at boottime any more. ifup eth0 helps. I see that in /etc/network/interfaces is no "auto eth0" line. Do I need that? I thought that the hotplug system brings the eth0 up anyway. 
[01:40] <jdub> zoo: "auto eth0" does it
[01:41] <zoo> but with an ubuntu kernel it is working without
[02:09] <mdke> bonjour dholbach 
[02:09] <dholbach> hellas mdke, how are you?
[02:09] <mdke> i am very well thanks
[02:09] <mdke> yourself?
[02:10] <dholbach> i planned to do something on my thesis today, but ended up here doing some stuff for the c++ transition :-)
[02:10] <dholbach> but i'm fine, i don't complain
[02:10] <mdke> hmm
[02:10] <dholbach> thanks :-)
[02:10] <mdke> what stage is your thesis at?
[02:10] <dholbach> jdub: i AM in my room :-)
[02:10] <jdub> d'oh!
[02:10] <mdke> jdub, you can't send a geek to his room
[02:10] <dholbach> mdke: it needs love, it really does
[02:10] <mdke> you just feed the addiction
[02:11] <ogra> hehe, remote controlled dholbach ...
[02:11] <zoo> again, when booting with an ubuntu kernel, I don't need to have "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces. The hotplug system is setting eth0 up anyway. But when I use my self-compiled kernel it does not work like this. How can I enable this hotplugging with my kernel? did i forget something?
[02:11] <mdke> *grins*
[02:11] <ogra> dholbach, you should waer your tinfoil head ;)
[02:11] <ogra> doko, i just had one :)
[02:12] <tseng> stupid dog
[02:12] <dholbach> me as well
[02:12] <doko> ogra: last week? ;)
[02:12] <ogra> doko, .... at the right speed for a walk btw ;)
[02:12] <dholbach> jdub: what is the "norty corner"?
[02:13] <tseng> naughty
[02:13] <tseng> with a silly australian accent
[02:13] <mdke> *laughs*
[02:13] <mdke> we use that here in england too
[02:13] <tseng> schlesht?
[02:13] <jdub> dholbach: when little kids are naughty, a common punishment is to send them to the corner
[02:13] <dholbach> i see
[02:14] <jdub> it's very brutal and fascist ;)
[02:14] <doko> jdub: he should know this, that's usual here as well :)
[02:14] <dholbach> if all of you guys were working on the c++ transition, i wouldnt be here
[02:14] <tseng> dholbach: way to pass the blame
[02:14] <ajmitch_> dholbach: we are working...
[02:14] <dholbach> tseng: i have no other choice... if i get remote controlled it's only appropriate to pass the blame
[02:15] <ajmitch_> dholbach: feel free to assign some c++ packages to me to fix
[02:15] <jdub> ha ha ha
[02:15] <dholbach> everybody just sign up for packages on CxxLibraryList :-)
[02:16] <ogra> jdub, 100yrs ago in germany the kids also had to wear paper hats
[02:16] <ogra> *g*
[02:16] <dholbach> you all... get a grip!
[02:17] <ajmitch_> dholbach: I seem to have run out of packages to fix after doing the ones there
[02:17] <mdke> *grins*
[02:17] <mdke> cool paper hat idea
[02:17] <mdke> good old days
[02:18] <dholbach> ajmitch_: there are "some" packages left :-))
[02:20] <ajmitch_> dholbach: good, I can't choose which ones to do, so throw some my way ;)
[02:20] <dholbach> i will do mine
[02:20] <dholbach> not exactly now, but i will do them :-)
[02:20] <ajmitch_> ok
[02:21] <ogra> tseng, Unhandled Exception: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
[02:21] <ogra> in <0x00023> PixbufUtils:Fit (Gdk.Pixbuf,int,int,bool,int&,int&)
[02:21] <ogra> in <0x00052> PixbufUtils:ScaleToAspect (Gdk.Pixbuf,int,int)
[02:21] <tseng> yes
[02:21] <ogra> looks like f-spot has the gdk problem too
[02:22] <ogra> so it might lie deeper down.... not at the application level....
[02:22] <tseng> is that f-spot 0.0.13?
[02:22] <ogra> yep
[02:22] <tseng> wtf
[02:23] <ogra> with some small changes (dh_clideps etc)
[02:31] <ogra> tseng, form mono: debian/patches/02_soname_map.dpatch:-   <dllmap dll="libgdk_pixbuf-2.0-0.dll" target="libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so" /> 
[02:31] <ogra> debian/patches/02_soname_map.dpatch:+   <dllmap dll="libgdk_pixbuf-2.0-0.dll" target="libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0" />
[02:32] <tseng> yes?
[02:32] <ogra> dunno if thats correct...
[02:32] <tseng> to check it we have to grep around for DllImport of gdk_pixbuf
[02:33] <tseng> i doubt it is loading .dll explicitly
[02:33] <tseng> is that on /etc/mono/config?
[02:33] <ogra> nope
[02:33] <tseng> so..
[02:33] <ogra> but
[02:33] <tseng> what file
[02:34] <ogra>  ldconfig -v |grep libgdk_
[02:34] <ogra>         libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.so.0 -> libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.so.0.400.10
[02:34] <ogra>         libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 -> libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.400.10
[02:34] <ogra>         libgdk_imlib.so.1 -> libgdk_imlib.so.1.9.14
[02:34] <ogra>         libgdk_imlib.so.1 -> libgdk_imlib.so.1.9.14
[02:34] <ogra>         libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 -> libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.600.7
[02:34] <ogra>         libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.so.0 -> libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.so.0.600.7
[02:34] <ogra> amd64 prob it seems
[02:35] <ogra> the 32 bit libs are libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.400.10
[02:35] <ogra> the 64 bit ones libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.600.7
[02:38] <tseng> ahah
[02:38] <tseng> well that is craptastic
[02:39] <tseng> would you mind working with lewing on that? I had really great success getting him to fix other (similar) issues upstream
[02:42] <tseng> or we can hack around installing 2 seperate config files
[02:42] <ogra> tseng, let me talk to tollef first
[02:42] <tseng> ok.
[02:42] <ogra> there is also ... warning: could not find path for ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
[02:43] <tseng> cant help you there either :(
[02:43] <ogra> thats definately a thing i need explanation for from tollef 
[02:45] <ajmitch_> night all
[02:45] <tseng> bye ajmitch_ 
[02:53] <tseng> jdub: time to test new gamin!
[03:04] <tseng> jdub: dude.. it doesnt suck
[03:04] <tseng> jdub: upload!
[03:15] <jdub> tseng: fab asked me to wait for his next kernel :)
[03:15] <Lathiat> jdub: got a test one?
[03:16] <Lathiat> man pizzas are sucha  rip
[03:16] <Lathiat> $16.95 for _ONE_ pizza delivered.. fortunately they have a coupon on their website for $10 delivered
[03:42] <zoo> Lathiat: what a scam
[03:42] <Lathiat> zoo: ooh yeh
[03:43] <Lathiat> you can get it down to like $7 per pizza if you buy two and have the right voucher
[03:43] <zoo> i never pay more that 7$ per pizza, even if it's delivered
[03:45] <lifeless> zoo: where do you live ?
[03:53] <zoo> lifeless: germany
[03:53] <zoo> lifeless: and you?
[03:53] <lifeless> AUD.au
[03:54] <lifeless> so you nevceer pay more than 7 marks ? whats the exchange rate ?
[03:54] <lifeless> :)
[03:54] <zoo> lifeless: ha ha ha, we use EURO nowadays
[03:54] <zoo> shit shit, i meant 7 
[03:54] <lifeless> thats 14 AUD IIRC
[03:55] <lifeless> Lathiat was talking AUD  
[03:55] <zoo> anways, i always bake my pizzas myself 
[03:55] <Lathiat> yeh
[03:55] <Lathiat> 14aud is abotu 7 euros
[03:56] <Lathiat> which is what i paid
[03:56] <Lathiat> 13.20 for pizza+garlic bread
[04:11] <opi> hi
[04:11] <mdke> zoo, ++
[04:11] <mdke> its all about home made pizza
[04:19] <ogra> tseng, still alive ?
[04:20] <tseng> ogra: yes
[04:21] <ogra> grep db2 /etc/mono/config
[04:21] <ogra>         <dllmap dll="db2cli" target="libdb2_36.so"/>
[04:21] <tseng> another amd64 miss-number?
[04:21] <zoo> mdke: I always bake a whole plate and eat it on my own :)
[04:21] <ogra> tseng, i think its more general
[04:22] <ogra> tseng, libdb2_36.so doesnt exist, we only have libdb2.so
[04:22] <tseng> i only have .so.2 and 1.so
[04:22] <tseng> ok
[04:22] <ogra> libdb2.so.2
[04:22] <ogra> yep
[04:23] <zoo> mdke: cd pizza-1.6-dev-cvs; make --with-onions --with-pepperoni --with-peppers --with-special-cheese
[04:23] <ogra> zoo, does that work with gcc4 ?
[04:24] <zoo> ogra: when you check it out from cvs, yes
[04:24] <zoo> ogra: but you need very very recent yeast from cvs, too
[04:24] <ogra> it should have a gjc run afterwards as well to get the kaffee
[04:25] <tseng> ogra: hm it looks like we arent patching mono/config anymore
[04:26] <ogra> tseng, yes, i noticed, there is debian/patches/02_soname_map.dpatch that seemsnot to get applied
[04:26] <tseng> alot of it is fixed
[04:26] <tseng> we have awesome upstream support now dude, so everything we can should go there
[04:27] <ogra> ok
[04:27] <tseng> the rpms are now patch free
[04:27] <tseng> we can get close
[04:27] <tseng> do you have a list/memory of your stuff so far?
[04:27] <ogra> hopefully
[04:27] <tseng> we should make a wiki page
[04:27] <ogra> yep
[04:28] <tseng> because its getting to be too much for me to give off the top of my head
[04:28] <tseng> ill make a section for each app, then changes from debian and upstream
[04:28] <ogra> i'll just have to look at the debdiff in the end...
[04:30] <tseng> benm says drop 07 in mono
[04:30] <tseng> for 1.1.7, so there are no patches there
[04:33] <tseng> i started putting it on MOTUMono
[04:33] <tseng> but i need to work look at gtk#2
[04:34] <tseng> see if this svn snapshot from upstream works all right
[04:39] <vuntz> hi
[04:39] <vuntz> mjg59: ping?
[04:40] <vuntz> mjg59: I made a small program to handle the hotkeys that generate acpi events so that they can be useful in gnome
[04:41] <vuntz> mjg59: If you're interested: http://www.gnome.org/~vuntz/gnome-acpi-keys-0.1.tar.gz
[04:41] <vuntz> most of the code comes from gnome-control-center
[04:41] <vuntz> and with the right scripts in /etc/acpi, it works nicely :-)
[04:41] <vuntz> at least here
[04:42] <pitti> Hi
[04:47] <KaiL> vuntz: but that's only usefull for gnome?
[04:48] <vuntz> KaiL: it works the same way than the gnome-settings-daemon does, i.e. it looks for some things in gconf
[04:48] <vuntz> KaiL: but it can certainly be made more generic
[04:51] <ogra> vuntz, hmm, could i use it to replace the weird acerhk crack ?
[04:51] <vuntz> KaiL: you can also use it without running gnome, but it'll launch a gconfd
[04:51] <vuntz> ogra: I don't know the acerhk crack, so I don't know
[04:52] <ogra> acer laptops only are able to send otkey keycodes, but no events... the acerhk patch bends the kernel in a way that they generate events instead, but its a weird hack
[04:52] <ogra> s/otkey/hotkey
[04:54] <ogra> so having such a remapping done in userspace would be rad
[04:54] <vuntz> ah
[04:54] <vuntz> no, it won't solve your problem
[04:55] <ogra> sad...
[04:55] <vuntz> I have the same situation for my asus
[04:55] <ogra> next time lets buy ibm or hp ;)
[04:55] <vuntz> the program I wrote is just a quick way to use the generated events
[04:55] <vuntz> ogra: ahah
[04:56] <ogra> ah, so rather something to attach to pmi
[04:56] <KaiL> vuntz: be happy then - the only report about an Asus laptop I have goes: "boot with acpi=off, else it won't start"
[04:57] <ogra> KaiL, but that problem ies deeper down :)
[04:57] <ogra> lies even
[04:57] <ogra> (kernel layer)
[04:58] <KaiL> ogra: yes :/
[05:00] <KaiL> but Asus + Linux is really a bit problematic
[05:05] <karim> hi
[05:30] <tseng> ogra: do you have a patch for your manpage fixes?
[05:47] <ogra> tseng, nope, but i'll make one of it
[05:47] <tseng> ogra: awesome!
[06:07] <trulux> pitti: ping
[06:07] <pitti> trulux: I'm half here
[06:09] <trulux> pitti: I'm working on a school-related thing, just wondering if you could update -hardened packages to latest grsec and even take patches from http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/gentoo/hardened/kernel/hardened-patches-2.6-11.3.tar.bz2
[06:11] <trulux> pitti: almost finished the patch
[06:12] <trulux> pitti: BTW, TCP src ports randomization should be enabled by default, same as pids
[06:12] <trulux> pitti: there's no sense on making it sysctl'able
[06:19] <pitti> trulux: not today, I'll look at it next week
[06:27] <trulux> pitti: OK, no worries. I need to release the spec. ASAP though
[06:51] <pitti> bye
[07:10] <CarlK> ubuntu-5.04-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent has 0 seeds.  shouldn't the original always be "up" ?
[07:11] <zenrox>  hears a good question what file do i need to edit to change to get my specal vol key to change the vol on the pcm vol control and not the master?
[07:13] <CarlK> zenrox - 
[07:13] <CarlK> zenrox - im answering in #ubuntu
[07:13] <zenrox> ok
[08:48] <mkde> is there a decent GUI for changing boot services in universe or something? if not, could I suggest one which might be of interest
[08:52] <thom> mkde: there's not one i know of, so if you wanted to suggest one go ahead
[08:52] <mkde> ok
[08:52] <mkde> its called Ubuntu Bootup Manager
[08:53] <mkde> screenie http://mdke.mine.nu/ubm.png
[08:53] <Loevborg> the beautiful 404 boot service manager.
[08:53] <mkde> damn
[08:53] <mkde> sarky
[08:53] <mkde> capitalise UBM sorry
[08:54] <mkde> screenie http://mdke.mine.nu/UBM.png
[08:55] <Loevborg> mkde, IMO, the whole bootup process needs to be revamped (drop runlevels, get rid of scripts, parallelize, allow for user-level services) anyway
[08:55] <mkde> Loevborg, yes i agree, but thats not what i wanted to talk about
[08:57] <Loevborg> mkde, what does it do when you uncheck the "boot" flag?
[08:58] <mkde> it stops the service starting at boot
[08:58] <Loevborg> mkde, I mean, how does it disable it
[08:58] <mkde> its a frontend for update-rc.d
[08:58] <Loevborg> ah.
[08:58] <Loevborg> it doesn't disable the service.
[08:58] <mkde> it does it properly in accordance with debian policy
[08:58] <Loevborg> (because, there's no way to properly do that AFAIK)
[08:59] <mkde> http://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubm.html <-- download http://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubmdocs.html <-- explanation of how it works
[09:51] <trulux> argh, still not getting the psc 1315 scanner working
[09:53] <blueyed> The torrents are still down.
[11:08] <mdke> mako, around?
[11:35] <dholbach> Rickdangerous! i loved that game :-)
[11:36] <Rickdangerous> dholbach, yes I'll always remeber that christmas (that've played first)
[11:36] <dholbach> :-))))
[11:54] <dholbach> hey seb128 
[11:55] <seb128> hey dholbach !!
[11:55] <tseng> hey dudes
[11:56] <dholbach> seb128: long time no see
[11:56] <dholbach> hey tseng 
[11:57] <seb128> dholbach: as you say :)