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| === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://irclog.workaround.org | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by sivang at Sat Jan 1 20:48:30 2005 | ||
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| mpt | jdub: ping | 07:24 |
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| Burgundavia | mpt salut | 07:25 |
| mpt | hi Burgundavia | 07:26 |
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| mpt | rock | 07:29 |
| === mpt got one panel crash, one gaim crash, and ten (10) "I've [sic] detected a panel already running, and will now exit." messages | ||
| Burgundavia | cool, you running breezy? | 07:31 |
| Burgundavia | right | 07:31 |
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| mpt | @#%! | 07:32 |
| Burgundavia | cool, you running breezy? | 07:32 |
| Burgundavia | use xchat | 07:33 |
| mpt | Was that for me, Burgundavia? | 07:34 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 07:34 |
| mpt | No, and no, if I have to use badly-designed IM clients, I'd rather just use *one* badly-designed IM client | 07:35 |
| Burgundavia | lol | 07:36 |
| Burgundavia | xchat sucks, but it is stable | 07:36 |
| === mpt installs gossip just to have a look anyway | ||
| mpt | jdub: ping (sorry if I missed a previous pong) | 07:37 |
| Burgundavia | jdub hasn't responded | 07:38 |
| Burgundavia | gossip is very nice | 07:38 |
| mpt | Burgundavia: Well, do *you* know how I can alter the Help front page? :-) | 07:42 |
| Burgundavia | no idea | 07:42 |
| Burgundavia | never looked, but I understand it is auto generated | 07:42 |
| mpt | That's, um | 07:43 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 07:43 |
| mpt | I don't believe that | 07:43 |
| Burgundavia | front pages should not be auto generated | 07:44 |
| mpt | No, I don't believe there's some computer program that says "I know, let's put "Desktop" on the front page, all by itself | 07:44 |
| Burgundavia | have you seen the gimp help browser? | 07:44 |
| mpt | Generated from *what*? | 07:44 |
| Burgundavia | scroll keeper oml files I think | 07:44 |
| mpt | "The GIMP help files are not installed." | 07:45 |
| Burgundavia | help is current borked on breezy right now, so I can't see myself | 07:45 |
| Burgundavia | gimp help is 6 meg | 07:46 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, this needs some better deps | 07:46 |
| mpt | yes, I noticed that | 07:46 |
| mpt | gimp-help-en doesn't depend on gimp-helpbrowser | 07:47 |
| Burgundavia | nor does gimp-common | 07:47 |
| Burgundavia | help-common that is | 07:47 |
| Burgundavia | already filed https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8263 | 07:47 |
| mpt | So what are "scroll keeper oml files"? | 07:52 |
| mpt | I don't see any oml files in the ubuntu-docs repository | 07:52 |
| Burgundavia | I am just remembering things that I heard. I am frequently wrong | 07:52 |
| mpt | It looks to me like ubuntu-docs doesn't contain the help at all | 07:53 |
| Burgundavia | lol | 07:53 |
| mpt | jdub! | 07:53 |
| mpt | Burgundavia: Gimp offers a Tip of the Day ... I thought tips of the day were prohibited in the Save Computer Users' Mental Health Act of 1997 | 07:55 |
| Burgundavia | sometimes tips of the day can be useful, but mostly not | 07:55 |
| mpt | Okay, I just installed the gimp help browser, and the gimp help, and I choose "Help" from Gimp's menu, and it opens in ... Epiphany | 07:55 |
| Burgundavia | shouldn't | 07:56 |
| Burgundavia | you may have checked the "open in browser option" | 07:57 |
| mpt | I didn't know there was such an option | 07:57 |
| Burgundavia | by default it is about 200px wide | 07:57 |
| Burgundavia | it pops up when you are missing the actual help files | 07:57 |
| mpt | that's better | 07:57 |
| Burgundavia | play with context help, is very cool | 07:58 |
| mpt | Except that it's not help, it's a manual | 07:58 |
| mpt | and by default, all it shows me is (1) a "Next" link (next what?), (2) a title, and (3) a copyright notice | 07:59 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 07:59 |
| mpt | and it has two close buttons | 07:59 |
| mpt | ok, I'm whining | 07:59 |
| === mpt shuts up | ||
| Burgundavia | don't worry, whining can be a good thing | 08:00 |
| === Burgundavia is unlikely to ever get offended by whining of mpt | ||
| mvirkkil | Doea a plan regarding the menu editor exist? | 11:00 |
| mvirkkil | precious: There is absolutely no point in doing further optimization unless you are using an ebedded platform. | 11:19 |
| mvirkkil | Sorry. | 11:19 |
| mvirkkil | Does anyone know why firefox doesn't have the gnome theme in hoary? (I was asked this, trying to find the answer) | 11:19 |
| Burgundavia | it does | 11:22 |
| mvirkkil | Burgundavia: Odd. Mine doesn't... | 11:32 |
| mvirkkil | The back and forward arrows are the firefox standard, not the gnome standard. | 11:32 |
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| mdke | _froud_, here? | 11:53 |
| mvirkkil | Who is respnsible for the udu wiki? | 12:46 |
| mdke | responsible? | 12:46 |
| mdke | try mdz if there is an issue with it | 12:46 |
| mdke | or maybe jane silber | 12:47 |
| mvirkkil | mdke: A bug in qt caused ridells changes to mess up the raw formatting of breezygoals. It raplced tabs with spaces. | 12:48 |
| mvirkkil | replaced, even- | 12:49 |
| mdke | yes i saw your conversation | 12:49 |
| mvirkkil | mdke: So I was wondering if who would have enough rights to revert the changes | 12:50 |
| mdke | ah right i see | 12:50 |
| mdke | mvirkkil, consult the page to see its access rights? | 12:50 |
| mdke | mvirkkil, then if you can't revert, probably contact someone at canonical, like jane silber | 12:51 |
| mvirkkil | mdke: Cool, didn't know about info :O) | 12:51 |
| mvirkkil | Ridell reverted it already. | 12:51 |
| mdke | good | 12:51 |
| mdke | everyone should be able to revert i would have thought | 12:52 |
| mdke | but it might depend on the page | 12:53 |
| mvirkkil | mdke: Probably can. I'm just not as familiar with moinmoin as I am with mediawiki | 12:53 |
| mvirkkil | so I didn't know where to do it, and I though I just didn't have enough rights. | 12:53 |
| mdke | i'm not really familiar with it either, so best thing is to explore | 12:53 |
| mvirkkil | mdke: Thanks for the help :) | 12:55 |
| mdke | np | 01:52 |
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| froud | mdke: you looking for me? | 03:43 |
| mdke | froud, hiya yes I was | 04:00 |
| mdke | couple of problems | 04:00 |
| froud | waz up | 04:00 |
| mdke | can you do a validate on that gnome/userguide/C/usersguide.xml and let me know what the error means | 04:01 |
| mdke | ? | 04:01 |
| froud | ok | 04:01 |
| mdke | great | 04:02 |
| mdke | not a biggie | 04:02 |
| froud | this one | 04:03 |
| froud | E The entity "author-matthew-east" was referenced, but not declared.usersguide.xmlfile:/home/sean/projects/ubuntu/trunk/gnome/userguide/C/usersguide.xml43:100 | 04:03 |
| mdke | mine phrases it slightly differently, but that's basically it | 04:03 |
| mdke | matt@eustathios ubuntu-docs $ ./validate.sh gnome/userguide/C/usersguide.xml | 04:03 |
| mdke | gnome/userguide/C/usersguide.xml:43: parser error : Entity 'author-matthew-east' not defined | 04:03 |
| mdke | -kevin-muligan; &author-sean-wheller; &author-niel-tallim; &author-matthew-east; | 04:03 |
| mdke | ^ | 04:03 |
| froud | it is declared as | 04:03 |
| froud | <!ENTITY author-mathew-east SYSTEM '../common/authors/mathew-east.xml'> | 04:03 |
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| froud | in libs/global.ent | 04:04 |
| froud | so I guess we nee dto add a tt | 04:04 |
| mdke | only evil matthew's spell their name as mathew | 04:04 |
| mdke | :) | 04:04 |
| mdke | cool thx | 04:04 |
| froud | Ok svn mv and change the declare | 04:05 |
| mdke | hmm | 04:05 |
| froud | want me to do it | 04:05 |
| froud | ok hand ten a sec | 04:05 |
| mdke | you wouldn't talk me through it would you? | 04:05 |
| froud | oh sure | 04:05 |
| mdke | that way i'll learn how its done | 04:05 |
| froud | cd to common/authors | 04:06 |
| mdke | ok | 04:06 |
| mdke | its spelt right in there | 04:06 |
| froud | hmm yes I see | 04:06 |
| froud | sorry | 04:06 |
| froud | ok open libs/global.ent | 04:07 |
| froud | edit the string | 04:07 |
| froud | <!ENTITY author-mathew-east SYSTEM '../common/authors/mathew-east.xml'> | 04:07 |
| froud | to | 04:07 |
| mdke | yep done | 04:07 |
| froud | svn commit global.ent | 04:07 |
| froud | validate your file | 04:07 |
| mdke | cool it works | 04:08 |
| mdke | thanks | 04:08 |
| froud | no worries | 04:08 |
| froud | anything else | 04:08 |
| mdke | the other thing was: is there a reason for the discrepancy between the directory spelling "userguide" and the file spelling "usersguide" | 04:08 |
| froud | no, but it is no biggy | 04:08 |
| mdke | ok | 04:09 |
| mdke | so i shouldn't mv it? | 04:09 |
| froud | not worth changing IMHO | 04:09 |
| mdke | your call | 04:09 |
| froud | If you feel like doing it go for it | 04:09 |
| mdke | will it break anything? | 04:09 |
| froud | Ummm perhaps a few bits but noting enoromous that will take hours to fix | 04:10 |
| froud | Go for it and then test | 04:10 |
| mdke | if you wish I can grep the directory for instances of usersguide and edit it to userguide | 04:10 |
| froud | yes you can and sed will help | 04:10 |
| mdke | ok i'll work on that | 04:11 |
| froud | cool, just trying to get readu fro Linux World next week | 04:11 |
| mdke | awesome | 04:11 |
| mdke | what are you doing at it? | 04:11 |
| froud | Selling services | 04:11 |
| froud | see my web site | 04:11 |
| froud | http://www.inword.co.za | 04:11 |
| mdke | cool | 04:12 |
| froud | demo docbook and xml-based frameworks | 04:12 |
| mdke | best of luck for that | 04:12 |
| froud | thanks was at the exhibition center this morning | 04:12 |
| mdke | got your own stand? | 04:12 |
| froud | Novell, takes up a huge sapce | 04:12 |
| mdke | i bet | 04:12 |
| froud | yes, but the likes of Novell makes us look teenie weeny | 04:12 |
| mdke | *grins* | 04:13 |
| mdke | gotta love em | 04:13 |
| froud | But I have IBM and Novel right nextto me, so there should be loads of traffic | 04:13 |
| mdke | NICE | 04:13 |
| froud | Main thing is we're there | 04:13 |
| mdke | do i need to change things in .svn directories? | 04:13 |
| mdke | e.g. | 04:14 |
| mdke | ./gnome/userguide/C/.svn/text-base/usersguide.xml.svn-base | 04:14 |
| mdke | ./gnome/userguide/C/.svn/prop-base/usersguide.xml.svn-base | 04:14 |
| froud | No when you do new checkin it will do it for you | 04:14 |
| froud | remember you must use svn copy | 04:14 |
| froud | then svn delete | 04:14 |
| mdke | oh yeah | 04:14 |
| mdke | not svn mv? | 04:14 |
| froud | yes you can do a move | 04:14 |
| froud | but safer do to copy then delete the old folder | 04:15 |
| mdke | right | 04:15 |
| mdke | i am just changing the filename, not the dir | 04:15 |
| froud | Ah then it should be fine to do svn mv | 04:15 |
| mdke | cool | 04:15 |
| mdke | yeah its done an A then a D | 04:15 |
| froud | we will have to remember to change the debs packaging | 04:15 |
| froud | and the OMF file | 04:16 |
| mdke | if its in the trunk tree then hopefully i'll find it grepping | 04:16 |
| froud | the OMG is relative to the doc | 04:16 |
| froud | OMF | 04:16 |
| mdke | so what do i need to do? | 04:17 |
| froud | do we have an OMG for userguide | 04:17 |
| froud | no | 04:17 |
| froud | so no worry | 04:17 |
| mdke | ok | 04:17 |
| mdke | cool | 04:17 |
| froud | just check the packaging system | 04:18 |
| mdke | committed the change: will work on grepping now | 04:18 |
| froud | ok | 04:18 |
| froud | I must do some work now or I will not be ready | 04:18 |
| mdke | sure | 04:18 |
| mdke | best of luck mate | 04:18 |
| froud | hopefully you're having fun | 04:18 |
| mdke | sure :D | 04:18 |
| froud | great, that is what we need here, fun | 04:18 |
| mdke | thanks for your help! | 04:18 |
| froud | no worries | 04:18 |
| mdke | later | 04:19 |
| k31th | alright guys | 04:26 |
| froud | awright k31th | 04:34 |
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| froud | mdke: hows it going dude | 10:41 |
| === froud announces that he finally wiped SuSE off laptop and installs Kubuntu | ||
| froud | now all I gotta do it is backup my workstation and do the same | 10:43 |
| mdke | froud, not bad thanks | 11:08 |
| mdke | you? | 11:08 |
| mdke | cool, converting to ubuntu all round eh? | 11:08 |
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