[07:24] <mpt> jdub: ping
[07:25] <Burgundavia> mpt salut
[07:26] <mpt> hi Burgundavia
[07:29] <mpt> rock
[07:31] <Burgundavia> cool, you running breezy?
[07:31] <Burgundavia> right
[07:32] <mpt> @#%!
[07:32] <Burgundavia> cool, you running breezy?
[07:33] <Burgundavia> use xchat
[07:34] <mpt> Was that for me, Burgundavia?
[07:34] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:35] <mpt> No, and no, if I have to use badly-designed IM clients, I'd rather just use *one* badly-designed IM client
[07:36] <Burgundavia> lol
[07:36] <Burgundavia> xchat sucks, but it is stable
[07:37] <mpt> jdub: ping (sorry if I missed a previous pong)
[07:38] <Burgundavia> jdub hasn't responded
[07:38] <Burgundavia> gossip is very nice
[07:42] <mpt> Burgundavia: Well, do *you* know how I can alter the Help front page? :-)
[07:42] <Burgundavia> no idea
[07:42] <Burgundavia> never looked, but I understand it is auto generated
[07:43] <mpt> That's, um
[07:43] <Burgundavia> indeed
[07:43] <mpt> I don't believe that
[07:44] <Burgundavia> front pages should not be auto generated
[07:44] <mpt> No, I don't believe there's some computer program that says "I know, let's put "Desktop" on the front page, all by itself
[07:44] <Burgundavia> have you seen the gimp help browser?
[07:44] <mpt> Generated from *what*?
[07:44] <Burgundavia> scroll keeper oml files I think
[07:45] <mpt> "The GIMP help files are not installed."
[07:45] <Burgundavia> help is current borked on breezy right now, so I can't see myself
[07:46] <Burgundavia> gimp help is 6 meg
[07:46] <Burgundavia> hmm, this needs some better deps
[07:46] <mpt> yes, I noticed that
[07:47] <mpt> gimp-help-en doesn't depend on gimp-helpbrowser
[07:47] <Burgundavia> nor does gimp-common
[07:47] <Burgundavia> help-common that is
[07:47] <Burgundavia> already filed https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8263
[07:52] <mpt> So what are "scroll keeper oml files"?
[07:52] <mpt> I don't see any oml files in the ubuntu-docs repository
[07:52] <Burgundavia> I am just remembering things that I heard. I am frequently wrong
[07:53] <mpt> It looks to me like ubuntu-docs doesn't contain the help at all
[07:53] <Burgundavia> lol
[07:53] <mpt> jdub!
[07:55] <mpt> Burgundavia: Gimp offers a Tip of the Day ... I thought tips of the day were prohibited in the Save Computer Users' Mental Health Act of 1997
[07:55] <Burgundavia> sometimes tips of the day can be useful, but mostly not
[07:55] <mpt> Okay, I just installed the gimp help browser, and the gimp help, and I choose "Help" from Gimp's menu, and it opens in ... Epiphany
[07:56] <Burgundavia> shouldn't
[07:57] <Burgundavia> you may have checked the "open in browser option"
[07:57] <mpt> I didn't know there was such an option
[07:57] <Burgundavia> by default it is about 200px wide
[07:57] <Burgundavia> it pops up when you are missing the actual help files
[07:57] <mpt> that's better
[07:58] <Burgundavia> play with context help, is very cool
[07:58] <mpt> Except that it's not help, it's a manual
[07:59] <mpt> and by default, all it shows me is (1) a "Next" link (next what?), (2) a title, and (3) a copyright notice
[07:59] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:59] <mpt> and it has two close buttons
[07:59] <mpt> ok, I'm whining
[08:00] <Burgundavia> don't worry, whining can be a good thing
[11:00] <mvirkkil> Doea a plan regarding the menu editor exist?
[11:19] <mvirkkil> precious: There is absolutely no point in doing further optimization unless you are using an ebedded platform.
[11:19] <mvirkkil> Sorry.
[11:19] <mvirkkil> Does anyone know why firefox doesn't have the gnome theme in hoary? (I was asked this, trying to find the answer)
[11:22] <Burgundavia> it does
[11:32] <mvirkkil> Burgundavia: Odd. Mine doesn't...
[11:32] <mvirkkil> The back and forward arrows are the firefox standard, not the gnome standard.
[11:53] <mdke> _froud_, here?
[12:46] <mvirkkil> Who is respnsible for the udu wiki?
[12:46] <mdke> responsible?
[12:46] <mdke> try mdz if there is an issue with it
[12:47] <mdke> or maybe jane silber
[12:48] <mvirkkil> mdke: A bug in qt caused ridells changes to mess up the raw formatting of breezygoals. It raplced tabs with spaces.
[12:49] <mvirkkil> replaced, even-
[12:49] <mdke> yes i saw your conversation
[12:50] <mvirkkil> mdke: So I was wondering if who would have enough rights to revert the  changes
[12:50] <mdke> ah right i see
[12:50] <mdke> mvirkkil, consult the page to see its access rights?
[12:51] <mdke> mvirkkil, then if you can't revert, probably contact someone at canonical, like jane silber
[12:51] <mvirkkil> mdke: Cool, didn't know about info :O)
[12:51] <mvirkkil> Ridell reverted it already.
[12:51] <mdke> good
[12:52] <mdke> everyone should be able to revert i would have thought
[12:53] <mdke> but it might depend on the page
[12:53] <mvirkkil> mdke: Probably can. I'm just not as familiar with moinmoin as I am with mediawiki
[12:53] <mvirkkil> so I didn't know where to do it, and I though I just didn't have enough rights.
[12:53] <mdke> i'm not really familiar with it either, so best thing is to explore
[12:55] <mvirkkil> mdke: Thanks for the help :)
[01:52] <mdke> np
[03:43] <froud> mdke: you looking for me?
[04:00] <mdke> froud, hiya yes I was
[04:00] <mdke> couple of problems
[04:00] <froud> waz up
[04:01] <mdke> can you do a validate on that gnome/userguide/C/usersguide.xml and let me know what the error means
[04:01] <mdke> ?
[04:01] <froud> ok
[04:02] <mdke> great
[04:02] <mdke> not a biggie
[04:03] <froud> this one
[04:03] <froud> E The entity "author-matthew-east" was referenced, but not declared.	usersguide.xml	file:/home/sean/projects/ubuntu/trunk/gnome/userguide/C/usersguide.xml	43:100
[04:03] <mdke> mine phrases it slightly differently, but that's basically it
[04:03] <mdke> matt@eustathios ubuntu-docs $ ./validate.sh gnome/userguide/C/usersguide.xml 
[04:03] <mdke> gnome/userguide/C/usersguide.xml:43: parser error : Entity 'author-matthew-east' not defined
[04:03] <mdke> -kevin-muligan; &author-sean-wheller; &author-niel-tallim; &author-matthew-east;
[04:03] <mdke>                                                                                ^
[04:03] <froud> it is declared as 
[04:03] <froud> <!ENTITY author-mathew-east SYSTEM '../common/authors/mathew-east.xml'>
[04:04] <froud> in libs/global.ent
[04:04] <froud> so I guess we nee dto add a tt
[04:04] <mdke> only evil matthew's spell their name as mathew
[04:04] <mdke> :)
[04:04] <mdke> cool thx
[04:05] <froud> Ok svn mv and change the declare
[04:05] <mdke> hmm
[04:05] <froud> want me to do it
[04:05] <froud> ok hand ten a sec
[04:05] <mdke> you wouldn't talk me through it would you?
[04:05] <froud> oh sure
[04:05] <mdke> that way i'll learn how its done
[04:06] <froud> cd to common/authors
[04:06] <mdke> ok
[04:06] <mdke> its spelt right in there
[04:06] <froud> hmm yes I see
[04:06] <froud> sorry
[04:07] <froud> ok open libs/global.ent
[04:07] <froud> edit the string
[04:07] <froud> <!ENTITY author-mathew-east SYSTEM '../common/authors/mathew-east.xml'>
[04:07] <froud> to
[04:07] <mdke> yep done
[04:07] <froud> svn commit global.ent
[04:07] <froud> validate your file
[04:08] <mdke> cool it works
[04:08] <mdke> thanks
[04:08] <froud> no worries
[04:08] <froud> anything else
[04:08] <mdke> the other thing was: is there a reason for the discrepancy between the directory spelling "userguide" and the file spelling "usersguide"
[04:08] <froud> no, but it is no biggy
[04:09] <mdke> ok
[04:09] <mdke> so i shouldn't mv it?
[04:09] <froud> not worth changing IMHO
[04:09] <mdke> your call
[04:09] <froud> If you feel like doing it go for it
[04:09] <mdke> will it break anything?
[04:10] <froud> Ummm perhaps a few bits but noting enoromous that will take hours to fix
[04:10] <froud> Go for it and then test
[04:10] <mdke> if you wish I can grep the directory for instances of usersguide and edit it to userguide
[04:10] <froud> yes you can and sed will help
[04:11] <mdke> ok i'll work on that
[04:11] <froud> cool, just trying to get readu fro Linux World next week
[04:11] <mdke> awesome
[04:11] <mdke> what are you doing at it?
[04:11] <froud> Selling services
[04:11] <froud> see my web site
[04:11] <froud> http://www.inword.co.za
[04:12] <mdke> cool
[04:12] <froud> demo docbook and xml-based frameworks
[04:12] <mdke> best of luck for that
[04:12] <froud> thanks was at the exhibition center this morning
[04:12] <mdke> got your own stand?
[04:12] <froud> Novell, takes up a huge sapce
[04:12] <mdke> i bet
[04:12] <froud> yes, but the likes of Novell makes us look teenie weeny
[04:13] <mdke> *grins*
[04:13] <mdke> gotta love em
[04:13] <froud> But I have IBM and Novel right nextto me, so there should be loads of traffic
[04:13] <mdke> NICE
[04:13] <froud> Main thing is we're there
[04:13] <mdke> do i need to change things in .svn directories?
[04:14] <mdke> e.g.
[04:14] <mdke> ./gnome/userguide/C/.svn/text-base/usersguide.xml.svn-base
[04:14] <mdke> ./gnome/userguide/C/.svn/prop-base/usersguide.xml.svn-base
[04:14] <froud> No when you do new checkin it will do it for you
[04:14] <froud> remember you must use svn copy
[04:14] <froud> then svn delete
[04:14] <mdke> oh yeah
[04:14] <mdke> not svn mv?
[04:14] <froud> yes you can do a move
[04:15] <froud> but safer do to copy then delete the old folder
[04:15] <mdke> right
[04:15] <mdke> i am just changing the filename, not the dir
[04:15] <froud> Ah then it should be fine to do svn mv
[04:15] <mdke> cool
[04:15] <mdke> yeah its done an A then a D
[04:15] <froud> we will have to remember to change the debs packaging
[04:16] <froud> and the OMF file
[04:16] <mdke> if its in the trunk tree then hopefully i'll find it grepping
[04:16] <froud> the OMG is relative to the doc
[04:16] <froud> OMF
[04:17] <mdke> so what do i need to do?
[04:17] <froud> do we have an OMG for userguide
[04:17] <froud> no
[04:17] <froud> so no worry
[04:17] <mdke> ok
[04:17] <mdke> cool
[04:18] <froud> just check the packaging system
[04:18] <mdke> committed the change: will work on grepping now
[04:18] <froud> ok
[04:18] <froud> I must do some work now or I will not be ready
[04:18] <mdke> sure
[04:18] <mdke> best of luck mate
[04:18] <froud> hopefully you're having fun
[04:18] <mdke> sure :D
[04:18] <froud> great, that is what we need here, fun
[04:18] <mdke> thanks for your help!
[04:18] <froud> no worries
[04:19] <mdke> later
[04:26] <k31th> alright guys
[04:34] <froud> awright k31th 
[10:41] <froud> mdke: hows it going dude
[10:43] <froud> now all I gotta do it is backup my workstation and do the same
[11:08] <mdke> froud, not bad thanks
[11:08] <mdke> you?
[11:08] <mdke> cool, converting to ubuntu all round eh?