=== ubuntulog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://irclog.workaround.org | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by sivang at Sat Jan 1 20:48:30 2005 === prevod [prevod@P1-230-20014.dialup.ns.ac.yu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-128-37.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000d56f1e3c8.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-128-37.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:24] jdub: ping [07:25] mpt salut [07:26] hi Burgundavia === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-106.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:29] rock === mpt got one panel crash, one gaim crash, and ten (10) "I've [sic] detected a panel already running, and will now exit." messages [07:31] cool, you running breezy? [07:31] right === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-106.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:32] @#%! [07:32] cool, you running breezy? [07:33] use xchat [07:34] Was that for me, Burgundavia? [07:34] yes [07:35] No, and no, if I have to use badly-designed IM clients, I'd rather just use *one* badly-designed IM client [07:36] lol [07:36] xchat sucks, but it is stable === mpt installs gossip just to have a look anyway [07:37] jdub: ping (sorry if I missed a previous pong) [07:38] jdub hasn't responded [07:38] gossip is very nice [07:42] Burgundavia: Well, do *you* know how I can alter the Help front page? :-) [07:42] no idea [07:42] never looked, but I understand it is auto generated [07:43] That's, um [07:43] indeed [07:43] I don't believe that [07:44] front pages should not be auto generated [07:44] No, I don't believe there's some computer program that says "I know, let's put "Desktop" on the front page, all by itself [07:44] have you seen the gimp help browser? [07:44] Generated from *what*? [07:44] scroll keeper oml files I think [07:45] "The GIMP help files are not installed." [07:45] help is current borked on breezy right now, so I can't see myself [07:46] gimp help is 6 meg [07:46] hmm, this needs some better deps [07:46] yes, I noticed that [07:47] gimp-help-en doesn't depend on gimp-helpbrowser [07:47] nor does gimp-common [07:47] help-common that is [07:47] already filed https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8263 [07:52] So what are "scroll keeper oml files"? [07:52] I don't see any oml files in the ubuntu-docs repository [07:52] I am just remembering things that I heard. I am frequently wrong [07:53] It looks to me like ubuntu-docs doesn't contain the help at all [07:53] lol [07:53] jdub! [07:55] Burgundavia: Gimp offers a Tip of the Day ... I thought tips of the day were prohibited in the Save Computer Users' Mental Health Act of 1997 [07:55] sometimes tips of the day can be useful, but mostly not [07:55] Okay, I just installed the gimp help browser, and the gimp help, and I choose "Help" from Gimp's menu, and it opens in ... Epiphany [07:56] shouldn't [07:57] you may have checked the "open in browser option" [07:57] I didn't know there was such an option [07:57] by default it is about 200px wide [07:57] it pops up when you are missing the actual help files [07:57] that's better [07:58] play with context help, is very cool [07:58] Except that it's not help, it's a manual [07:59] and by default, all it shows me is (1) a "Next" link (next what?), (2) a title, and (3) a copyright notice [07:59] yes [07:59] and it has two close buttons [07:59] ok, I'm whining === mpt shuts up [08:00] don't worry, whining can be a good thing === Burgundavia is unlikely to ever get offended by whining of mpt [11:00] Doea a plan regarding the menu editor exist? [11:19] precious: There is absolutely no point in doing further optimization unless you are using an ebedded platform. [11:19] Sorry. [11:19] Does anyone know why firefox doesn't have the gnome theme in hoary? (I was asked this, trying to find the answer) [11:22] it does [11:32] Burgundavia: Odd. Mine doesn't... [11:32] The back and forward arrows are the firefox standard, not the gnome standard. === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:53] _froud_, here? [12:46] Who is respnsible for the udu wiki? [12:46] responsible? [12:46] try mdz if there is an issue with it [12:47] or maybe jane silber [12:48] mdke: A bug in qt caused ridells changes to mess up the raw formatting of breezygoals. It raplced tabs with spaces. [12:49] replaced, even- [12:49] yes i saw your conversation [12:50] mdke: So I was wondering if who would have enough rights to revert the changes [12:50] ah right i see [12:50] mvirkkil, consult the page to see its access rights? [12:51] mvirkkil, then if you can't revert, probably contact someone at canonical, like jane silber [12:51] mdke: Cool, didn't know about info :O) [12:51] Ridell reverted it already. [12:51] good [12:52] everyone should be able to revert i would have thought [12:53] but it might depend on the page [12:53] mdke: Probably can. I'm just not as familiar with moinmoin as I am with mediawiki [12:53] so I didn't know where to do it, and I though I just didn't have enough rights. [12:53] i'm not really familiar with it either, so best thing is to explore [12:55] mdke: Thanks for the help :) [01:52] np === froud [~froud@ndn-165-128-37.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:43] mdke: you looking for me? [04:00] froud, hiya yes I was [04:00] couple of problems [04:00] waz up [04:01] can you do a validate on that gnome/userguide/C/usersguide.xml and let me know what the error means [04:01] ? [04:01] ok [04:02] great [04:02] not a biggie [04:03] this one [04:03] E The entity "author-matthew-east" was referenced, but not declared. usersguide.xml file:/home/sean/projects/ubuntu/trunk/gnome/userguide/C/usersguide.xml 43:100 [04:03] mine phrases it slightly differently, but that's basically it [04:03] matt@eustathios ubuntu-docs $ ./validate.sh gnome/userguide/C/usersguide.xml [04:03] gnome/userguide/C/usersguide.xml:43: parser error : Entity 'author-matthew-east' not defined [04:03] -kevin-muligan; &author-sean-wheller; &author-niel-tallim; &author-matthew-east; [04:03] ^ [04:03] it is declared as [04:03] === mdke kicks froud [04:04] in libs/global.ent [04:04] so I guess we nee dto add a tt [04:04] only evil matthew's spell their name as mathew [04:04] :) [04:04] cool thx [04:05] Ok svn mv and change the declare [04:05] hmm [04:05] want me to do it [04:05] ok hand ten a sec [04:05] you wouldn't talk me through it would you? [04:05] oh sure [04:05] that way i'll learn how its done [04:06] cd to common/authors [04:06] ok [04:06] its spelt right in there [04:06] hmm yes I see [04:06] sorry [04:07] ok open libs/global.ent [04:07] edit the string [04:07] [04:07] to [04:07] yep done [04:07] svn commit global.ent [04:07] validate your file [04:08] cool it works [04:08] thanks [04:08] no worries [04:08] anything else [04:08] the other thing was: is there a reason for the discrepancy between the directory spelling "userguide" and the file spelling "usersguide" [04:08] no, but it is no biggy [04:09] ok [04:09] so i shouldn't mv it? [04:09] not worth changing IMHO [04:09] your call [04:09] If you feel like doing it go for it [04:09] will it break anything? [04:10] Ummm perhaps a few bits but noting enoromous that will take hours to fix [04:10] Go for it and then test [04:10] if you wish I can grep the directory for instances of usersguide and edit it to userguide [04:10] yes you can and sed will help [04:11] ok i'll work on that [04:11] cool, just trying to get readu fro Linux World next week [04:11] awesome [04:11] what are you doing at it? [04:11] Selling services [04:11] see my web site [04:11] http://www.inword.co.za [04:12] cool [04:12] demo docbook and xml-based frameworks [04:12] best of luck for that [04:12] thanks was at the exhibition center this morning [04:12] got your own stand? [04:12] Novell, takes up a huge sapce [04:12] i bet [04:12] yes, but the likes of Novell makes us look teenie weeny [04:13] *grins* [04:13] gotta love em [04:13] But I have IBM and Novel right nextto me, so there should be loads of traffic [04:13] NICE [04:13] Main thing is we're there [04:13] do i need to change things in .svn directories? [04:14] e.g. [04:14] ./gnome/userguide/C/.svn/text-base/usersguide.xml.svn-base [04:14] ./gnome/userguide/C/.svn/prop-base/usersguide.xml.svn-base [04:14] No when you do new checkin it will do it for you [04:14] remember you must use svn copy [04:14] then svn delete [04:14] oh yeah [04:14] not svn mv? [04:14] yes you can do a move [04:15] but safer do to copy then delete the old folder [04:15] right [04:15] i am just changing the filename, not the dir [04:15] Ah then it should be fine to do svn mv [04:15] cool [04:15] yeah its done an A then a D [04:15] we will have to remember to change the debs packaging [04:16] and the OMF file [04:16] if its in the trunk tree then hopefully i'll find it grepping [04:16] the OMG is relative to the doc [04:16] OMF [04:17] so what do i need to do? [04:17] do we have an OMG for userguide [04:17] no [04:17] so no worry [04:17] ok [04:17] cool [04:18] just check the packaging system [04:18] committed the change: will work on grepping now [04:18] ok [04:18] I must do some work now or I will not be ready [04:18] sure [04:18] best of luck mate [04:18] hopefully you're having fun [04:18] sure :D [04:18] great, that is what we need here, fun [04:18] thanks for your help! [04:18] no worries [04:19] later [04:26] alright guys [04:34] awright k31th === froud [~froud@ndn-165-128-37.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mkde [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === solomarv [~rouslan@terkin.woodstock.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === solomarv [~rouslan@terkin.woodstock.clarkson.edu] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [10:41] mdke: hows it going dude === froud announces that he finally wiped SuSE off laptop and installs Kubuntu [10:43] now all I gotta do it is backup my workstation and do the same [11:08] froud, not bad thanks [11:08] you? [11:08] cool, converting to ubuntu all round eh? === mkde [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc