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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | => http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaloneUniverseWishList <= | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks
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tsengogra: did we hear anything about main?02:33
ogratseng, yep, pitti has to do a security review first :-/02:34
tsengthat will be a big job :(02:35
ograyep02:35
tseng:(02:36
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tsengogra:02:45
tseng< BenM> tseng, be careful about amd64 boxes02:45
tseng< BenM> we always install to prefix/lib02:45
tseng< BenM> not libdir02:45
ograoh02:46
ograok02:46
tsengthat means more to you than me, I imagine02:46
ograit should be ok, /usr/lib64 is a symlink to /usr/lib02:47
tsengogra: so if i export MAKEOPTS=j1 in mono rules02:52
tsengogra: can you think of why it might not be setting it for the build?02:52
ograwhy j1 ?02:54
tsengbecause it fails with > j1 in a certain case02:54
tsenginternal gc and __thread on x8602:54
tsengsuse uses __thread on all archs02:54
tsengwe could too02:54
tsengsince pthread is going away02:54
ograyep02:55
tsengin breezy+102:55
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ivoksanyone?09:09
Unfrgivenivoks: hi09:13
Unfrgivenhey all09:13
Unfrgiveni asked this ubuntu-devel but got no answer so im going to repeat it here...09:13
Unfrgiveni have an interesting problem... im running "dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot" and for some reason it is generating a "<package_name>-<version>.tar.gz.cdbs-config_list". whats that all about? how do I stop it generating the file? I'm using cdbs-0.4.28-1ubuntu109:13
ivokshm09:14
ivoksdebian/rules?09:15
Unfrgivenivoks: what about it?09:16
ivokswhat is the name of directory in which you are doing dpkg-buildpackage?09:17
Unfrgiven/home/ankur/devel/fast-user-switch-applet/fast-user-switch-applet-0.2.209:17
ivoks- - - -09:18
Unfrgiven?09:18
dokoivoks: xalan looks better. please tighten the xerces build-dep to the version used in the transition, change pkglibdir in debian/rules (or you'll get an empty archive) and remove the config.* files in the diff (diff only is enough)09:18
ivoksIRC, source dir should be package-version09:19
ivoksdoko one question09:19
Unfrgivenwell the others who reviewed it were fine by this... i think it uses the last - to delimit the version09:19
ivoksdoko xdb doesn't egzist anymore... it is replaced by XBase library09:19
Unfrgiventake gnome-applets and gnome-applets-data for example09:20
ivoksdoko http://linux.techass.com/projects/xdb09:20
ivoksUnfrgiven then i don't know...09:21
Unfrgiven:( bummer09:21
dokoivoks: hmm, the source still exists ...09:25
dokoivoks: the changes to the config files are in the xclass diff as well09:26
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ivoksdoko yes it does, but i tought.. maybe it's time to replace it?09:50
ivoksdoko last revision is from 2004, and maintainer said he should covert standards-version from 3.5.8.0 to 3.6.109:52
ivoksdoko and the package is unbuildable :)09:52
ivoksdoko make that 2003, not 2004 :)09:53
dokoivoks: propose it for removal to dholbach or ogra09:53
ivoksok09:54
ivoksdoko could you help me with something? i know where is problem, and i know how to fix it, I just need your opinion...10:08
ivoksdoko i have libxalan and libxalan-dev. libxalan contains file libxalanMsg.so.1810:09
ivoksdoko should libxalan-dev also contain this file? if I leave it as is, libxalan-dev will create danglink link on libxalanMsg.so.1810:10
ivoksdoko but, anyway, one can't install libxalan-dev wihout libxalan... so this is ok?10:11
ivoksimho, libxalan-dev shouldn't contain any library10:15
ivoksonly includes10:16
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dokoivoks: that's due to the unchanged pkglibdir variable10:32
ivoksin xalan?10:33
ivoksthere is no such variable10:33
ivoksthere is pkglib10:33
ivokspkglib=libxalan$(libpkgver)c210:33
ivoksand there is:10:34
ivokspkglib-dev=libxalan$(libpkgver)-dev10:34
ivoksand those config.sub etc in xclass are because of patch inside debian/patches10:35
ivokswhole xclass is strange10:35
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dholbachhellas10:36
dokoivoks: not in the diff, ahh you changed it10:37
ivoksdoko yes, but i need to change debdiff too on bugzilla10:38
dokoivoks: it's already changed10:39
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ivoksok10:39
Nafallomorning all!10:39
dokoivoks: and tighten the xalan build dependency please10:39
ivoks libxerces25-dev (>= 2.5.0-4)10:40
ivoksah... libxalan-dev10:40
ivoksNafallo hi10:49
ivoksdholbach xdb got new upstream release10:49
ivoksdholbach but they changed name to xbase10:49
ivoksdholbach xdb in debian didn't change since begining of 2003.10:50
ivoksdholbach should i take new upstream source and debianize it or use the old one? is major change, from xdb1.8 to xbase2.010:50
ivoksbbl10:51
ivoksdholbach mail me for this issue, if you can (ivoksATgrad.hr)10:51
\shmorning....*grmpf*10:57
\sh2 free days..2 days in da office :(10:57
siretarthi12:08
siretartis anyone using svn-buildpackage for ubuntu adaptions?12:08
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dholbachhi siretart12:08
siretarthi dholbach12:09
siretartI was thinking of using it for tracking changes in packages..12:09
Burgundaviasiretart, I read in the CC meeting log that you are interested in MOTUGames stuff12:10
siretartBurgundavia: yes, I started in bringing to games into debian :)12:10
Burgundaviasiretart, another person you should contact is jdodson on the forums12:11
Burgundaviahe and I chatted at LinuxFestNorthwest about a better gaming experience12:12
dholbachthere's no MOTUGames page yet :-)12:12
dholbachgo for it! :-)12:12
BurgundaviaI didn't create one becuase my package output has been 112:13
tsengBurgundavia: see the blam fix?12:13
siretartBurgundavia: well, the problem is, that I have a webforumphobia :) - I'd really prefer mailinglists and irc channels. But, could you give me a link for it?12:13
tsengBurgundavia: its in gecko not blam actually12:13
dholbachBurgundavia: if you have a page where you list all your goals, it will hopefully attract people who are interested12:13
dholbacheverybody loves games12:14
dholbach... nearly ...12:14
dholbach;-)12:14
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Burgundaviasiretart, if you post onto -devel, it is mirrored onto the forums12:15
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Burgundaviadholbach, I don;t play games, I just want to make it easier for others to play them12:15
siretartBurgundavia: you mean Corey Burger? ;)12:16
Burgundaviasiretart, yep12:16
dholbachBurgundavia: that's fine as well12:16
Burgundaviatseng, I hate to tell you this, but -ubuntu3 didn't fix it12:18
tsenghuh what?12:18
tsengI knew that yesterday when i saw your problem..?12:18
tsengand I just said to you, did you see the fix we found12:18
Burgundaviaoh, yes12:19
tsengoh well12:19
tsengill fix it12:19
Burgundaviathought that had already been committed12:19
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tsengim not that fast :)12:19
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tsenggotta sync up with debian12:19
Burgundaviasiretart, I will email jdodson and get a wiki page up tomorrow12:20
dholbachROCK!12:22
NafalloYay for serpentine! :-)12:23
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ograNafallo, does it work ok for you ?12:24
Nafalloogra: seems so.12:25
dholbachhey ogra12:25
ograhi12:25
tsenghi dholbach12:25
Nafalloogra: you've had errors?12:25
ograNafallo, great to hear... we'll have to decide if we ship gnomebaker or sepentine for breezy12:25
ograNafallo, seb128 said he had some12:26
siretartROCK12:26
Nafalloogra: hmm, it's not finished burning yet so... ;-)12:26
ogralets wait then12:26
tsengi wonder if i could get my own branch on pkg-mono svn12:32
siretartgotta go to grandma, bye!12:34
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hervemor... noon!12:41
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Nafallothat was irritating.12:46
Nafallos/was/is/12:46
Nafallomy wlandriver hates me.12:46
hervechoose freedom, choose ipw2200 :-)12:48
tsengthats not exactly "free" by all definitions12:48
herveargh12:48
ograargh, tseng ?12:48
Lathiatits close enough12:48
herveIntel home made license?12:48
Lathiatonly problem si the firmware12:48
tsengthe firmware is not freely distributable12:49
ogratseng, did you recognize that blam depends on libstdc++ ?12:49
tsengi guess we are just ignoring that12:49
herveok, my mistake then12:49
dholbachheya herve12:49
tsengogra: wha!?12:49
Nafallort2500 :-)12:49
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Nafallodoesn't need firmware.12:49
ogratseng, its in the build depends12:49
tsengbuh12:49
Lathiatthe rt2500 driver suxbad12:49
ogratseng, which means we have to wait until after cXX transition with it12:50
tsengeh the fix is in gecko12:50
NafalloLathiat: it's not that bad. have everything I wish for, and gives a little thrills when it decides to hate the ap and disconnects ;-).12:50
tsengblam can sit for awhile12:50
ogratseng, it still crashes here...12:50
tsengwell thats a different problem12:50
Lathiatyou can distirbute the firmware12:50
Nafalloogra: you got my last lines?12:50
ogratseng, and has no cil-common bindings12:50
Lathiatjust only under a license as restrictive as theres, which basically says you cant reverse engineer etc12:50
tsengogra: yes12:50
tsengbut it can wait12:51
ograok12:51
tsengor can I do it today?12:51
Nafalloogra: i.e. works fine, but needs to have the icon displayed in the program and not just the menu ;-).12:51
tsengyoull have to tell me what your crasher is, i dont have one with fixed gecko12:51
ogratseng, sure, but as soon as the library names change it wont work anymore12:51
tsengbuh12:51
tsengok12:51
ogramy crasher is a segfault... coming along with a X error message12:52
tsengwow12:52
tsenggdk-x11-2.0?12:52
ograhmm12:52
tsengi have a fix for that one12:52
tsengoh yeah thats not yours either12:52
ograthe segfault sadly hsa no further information...12:52
ograhas even12:52
ograNafallo, serpentine ?12:53
Nafalloogra: yep :-)12:54
ograNafallo, the icon is a one line fix.... e have plenty of time for it ;)12:54
ograwe even12:54
Nafalloogra: rock on!! :-)12:54
ajmitch_hi all01:07
tsenghi01:08
Nafallohi ajmitch_ :-)01:08
ajmitch_what have I missed today? :)01:09
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ograNafallo, hope you didnt forget to lintian check it before ?01:42
Nafalloogra: hehe, gThumb generated. I thought that was a trusted application? ;-)01:44
tsengargh libgdiplus has an included cairo01:44
ograyeah, it is :)01:44
tsengit ftbfs here01:44
tsengit wants to build with neither font backend, so some #defines are ifdef'd out01:45
tsengand come up missing in the build01:45
Nafalloogra: :-)01:51
Nafallodamn google01:55
Nafallothree pages of hits on my name and they can't find my homepage :-P01:55
dholbachajmitch_: just received a mail from a guy from my university with a mail adress from student.otago.ac.nz - does that mean anything to you? :-)02:08
ajmitch_dholbach: sure, it means he's been a student at my uni :)02:12
dholbachhaaahahahah!02:13
dholbachgreat!02:13
dholbachthe world is so incredibly small02:13
ajmitch_yeah :)02:13
ajmitch_just finishing off a hoary install in the next room on the flatmate's computer ;)02:13
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ajmitch_night all02:44
ogranight ajmitch_02:45
dokoajmitch_: ping02:45
ajmitch_doko: yes..?02:45
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dokoiff all other clanlib libs depend on libclanlib2, then it's enough to rename that one only02:46
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ivoksdoko thanks for the tip02:46
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siretartre02:54
siretartI'm currently resyncing keychain with debian. There exists a bugzilla report #9416. Should I mention it in the changelog?02:54
siretarteven put a "closes: #9416" line in it?02:55
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siretartand how to request to drop any ubuntu changes in favor of a new debian packages, which incorporates all changes by 'us' (ubuntu, or in this case by me)?02:57
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siretartdarkaudit: you would have to wait for breezy02:58
hervehey ivoks, how's your studying? :-)02:58
ivoksherve :)02:59
ivoksi have whole night :)02:59
dholbachsiretart: just tell elmo to sync and drop your changes - there should be a bugreport on bugzilla in this case (MoM)02:59
ograsiretart, tell elmo to sync it and tellhim he can override...02:59
herveivoks, tsss02:59
tsengelmo needs an motu to approve syncs03:00
ivoksdholbach ogra what should I do with xdb? there is new upstrem version with rename of program03:00
siretartdholbach: even for universe packages?03:00
ograivoks, the old package needs to get removed from the seeds03:00
dholbachtseng: no, but in case there are merge-o-matic complaints in bugzilla, he just doesnt override like that03:00
tsengoh03:00
dholbachsiretart: yes03:00
ograivoks, the new one must go in03:00
ograivoks, talk to Kamion about it tomorrow ....03:01
dholbachivoks: are there reasons which keep us from using the old name?03:01
darkauditsiretart: I posted the issue on Dopey's blog... hopefully he or some other kind soul can package a version that will work with Hoary03:01
ivoksheh03:01
siretartogra: will he bite me if I tell him on irc, or does he prefer plain email?03:01
dholbachsiretart: he wont03:01
ogradholbach, the ackage doesnt exist anymore in debian03:01
siretart:)03:01
ograpackage even03:01
ivoksdholbach well... they said namechange is because other company conntacted them for using copyrhigtet name03:01
dholbachoh ok03:02
ivokscopyrighted name03:02
dholbachogra: it does: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=0&exact=1&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=xdb&searchon=sourcenames03:02
dholbachivoks: then we should package the renamed, funky new version :-)03:02
ivoksxdb exist in debian03:02
ivoksbut hasn't been updated since 2003.03:02
ogradholbach, it will disappear, so we cant sync breezy+1 then03:02
ivoksok, ill do new one03:03
dholbachogra: i don't care about the old one, if ivoks does the new one :-))03:03
ograyep03:03
tsengyay inotify seems to actually be workign now03:03
dholbachivoks: GO! GO! GO! :-)03:03
ivoksjust one question03:03
tsengbeagle and new gamin03:03
ivoksdholbach :)03:03
ivoksit shoud have Replaces: xdb03:03
ivoksand Provides: xdb ?03:04
dholbachivoks: hrmhrmhrm, not really sure03:04
dholbachivoks: you should test it for maximum upgrading fun experience03:04
ivoks:))03:04
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ivoksand you should see diff of xclass source03:05
ivoksit has config.cache, config.sub, etc in it...03:05
ivoksi have to fix that too... :(03:05
dholbachivoks: that should work automagically03:05
ivoksdholbach no03:06
ivoksdholbach problem is that debian guy did a patch that creates that files :)03:06
dholbachconfig.{cache,sub} are copied in by most of the packages in the clean target03:06
dholbachthey're not created, but updated03:06
dholbachfrom /usr/share/misc/config.*03:07
ivoksno03:07
dholbachyou're positively sure he copied them manually?03:07
ivoksnope :)03:07
dholbachok :-)03:07
ivokswait...03:07
dholbachthen read debian/rules and check :-)03:07
ivoksin debian/patches03:07
ivokshe has patch with config.*03:08
dholbachoh ok03:08
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ivoksyou don't have config.cache in /usr/share :)03:08
ivoksthat's cache :))03:08
dholbachusr/share/misc03:08
ivoksthere isn't config.cache03:08
ivoksthere is .sub03:08
ivoksand .guess03:08
ivoksbut .cache can't be there03:08
dholbachmaybe you check the changelog and try to determine why he did that patch03:09
ivoksi think he did a mistake, but i'll check03:09
ivokscouse he patches Makefile etc03:09
dholbachthat can be VERY intentional03:09
dholbachogra: what did you mean by seeding stuff and kamion?03:10
dholbach* new version for config.sub to make it compile on arm03:10
ogradholbach, for xdb03:10
dholbachogra: it's in universe03:10
ogradholbach, and ?03:10
dholbachwhat would we change where?03:10
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dholbachivoks: and btw the maintainer is mvo - you can just ask him, if he's around03:11
ogradunno, thats why i ask Kamion, since he is responsible for that03:11
dholbachogra: for what in the xdb case - i didnt get it03:11
ogradholbach, for letting the old package dissapear from universe...03:12
ograand introducing the new one03:12
dholbachogra: elmo will remove and blacklist it03:12
ivoksdholbach no config mentioned in changelog :) ok, i'll investigate03:12
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dholbachivoks: * new version for config.sub to make it compile on arm03:13
ivokswhere did you find that?03:14
dholbachivoks: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/x/xdb/xdb_1.2.0-5/changelog03:14
ivoks?03:14
ivoksdholbach i'm talking about xclass :)03:15
dholbachhrmbl03:15
dholbachok, let me have look03:15
dholbachyou said: <ivoks> it shoud have Replaces: xdb03:15
ivoks<ivoks> and you should see diff of xclass source03:15
ivoks<ivoks> it has config.cache, config.sub, etc in it...03:15
dholbachthat's why :-)03:15
ivoks:)03:15
ivokshm03:18
ivoksin rules; for clean:03:18
ivokscp -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub config.sub03:18
dholbachthere you go03:18
dholbach:-)03:18
ivoksuh..03:18
ivoksand doko told me to remove that configs from diff03:18
ivoks:)03:18
dholbachapart from that: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=16634503:19
siretartsay, is breezy still resyncing new debian packages from sid on a regular basis?03:19
dholbachthat's where the patch got added03:19
dholbachsiretart: yes03:19
siretartok03:19
dholbachivoks: but funnily enough it says in the bug reports, that the patch was submitted upstream :-)03:19
siretartI got a new version of londonlaw uploaded to debian, this one should also be buildable on ubuntu.03:19
dholbachahhh londonlaw is yours03:20
ivoksdholbach so, i should leave it?03:20
dholbachivoks: what else is touched in the patch?03:21
dholbachivoks: only config.* ?03:21
ivoksno..03:21
ivokspatch has to be aplied03:21
ivoksbut, i'm not so sure for the config.* part03:21
siretartdholbach: yeah. Do you remember Scottland Yard, the Ravensburger board game?03:22
dholbachif debian/rules takes care of updating config.* it's pretty "$&()"$)" to have it in the patch as well03:22
dholbachsiretart: of course - i had it as a child :-)03:22
ivoksdholbach i agree03:22
ivoksdholbach then, i'll remove them from patch03:22
dholbachivoks: brilliant03:22
siretartdholbach: it's the networked python version of it :)03:23
ivokshm03:23
ivoksit even patches debian/rules03:23
dholbachsiretart: i saw it because of the funny name :-)03:23
ivokswtf?03:23
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ivoksand changelog and everything :)03:23
dholbachARG03:24
ivoksthere has to be a catch03:24
ivokshe never aplies that patch... it's just there :)03:25
dholbachremove it completely03:25
ivokswill do03:25
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ivoksand i will remove those cp of config....03:26
ivoksi don't think they are needed03:26
dholbachno leave them03:26
ivoksok03:26
dholbachthey update the config.* stuff everytime a new package is built03:26
dholbachthat's good because new portions are add to the configure stuff (for new architectures, new compilers, ...)03:27
ivoksok03:27
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dholbachivoks: the shlibs.local looks ODD to me too03:28
dholbachnothing on http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html#s-shlibslocal mentions stuff like "libPACKAGE# 0.6.2 xclass (>> 0.6.2-0), xclass (<< 0.6.2-99)"03:29
ivokswhole package is odd03:29
dholbachabsolutely03:29
dholbachok pals, see you later, i'm off for some hours03:29
ivoksbye03:29
dholbachhave fun :-)03:29
ivoksyeah :)03:29
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siretartI knew that I forgot to ask questions last meeting. can anyone answer this one:03:53
siretartshould also binary c++ packages be renamed even if there are no reverse depends outside the source package?03:54
ivoksi guess not...03:56
ivoksbut I'm not relevant person to answer this q.03:56
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hervesiretart, we are just renaming libs, AFAIK04:09
herveI would say just update its dependency to the libraries04:09
siretartok04:09
siretartI just finished my work on the package, it's building fine in breezy with gcc-404:10
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ivokslol04:10
opihi04:10
ivoksthere allready is libxbase04:11
ivoks:))04:11
herveivoks, just get to your homework :-)04:12
hervehi opi04:12
ivoks:)04:12
opiwhat's the procedure of review? :-)04:13
opiI post a package and let to bitchslaps? :>04:13
hervereviewing what?04:14
ivokshm04:14
siretarthm. not quite ready. still some python2.3 deps here04:14
ivokslibxbase and libxdb are same libs04:14
ivoksjust different names04:14
opiherve: a package04:14
opiherve: OK, I've found a Wiki page04:15
hervesiretart, poker3d? yes, we transioned it04:15
herveopi, new package? transitioned package?04:15
siretartherve: oh, you already did the work on it?04:15
opiherve: new package or package ,,fixed'' for Ubuntu from Universe04:15
hervesiretart, the name tells me something, yes :-)04:15
opiherve: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToReview, right?04:15
siretartherve: :( - the was nothing on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CxxLibraryList - so I claimed it04:16
herveopi, new or fixed package, that's what I'm asking you :-)04:16
opiherve: both :-)04:16
hervesiretart, I just meant the python 2.4 transition last winter04:16
herveopi, so you fixed a package of yours?04:17
siretartherve: ah, great :)04:17
siretartthen everythings all right again :)04:17
hervecompiles with g++ 4.0 and packaged for python 2.404:17
herverock!04:17
herve:-)04:17
opiherve: nope, I've done my own, but I want to know process for both :-)04:17
ivoksherve ?04:19
ivoksherve poker3d?04:19
herveopi, check MOTUNewPackages and MOTUNewPackagesPolicy04:19
opiherve: noticed. thanks.04:19
herveopi, for fixed packages, check the transition page, or ask here04:19
herveivoks, I recompiled/packaged it for python2.404:20
hervelike vtk :-)04:20
ivoks:)04:20
ivoksu did vtk to?!04:20
herveI touched it, at least04:20
ivoks:)04:20
herveI don't remember if I got the last word04:20
ivoksherve i'm confused with something...04:20
ivoksthere is one library called xdb, libxdb04:21
siretartherve: do you know a feasible way of getting a diff from a Xubuntu1 to a X package?04:21
hervesiretart, debdiff04:21
siretarthmm.. why havn't I thought of this :/04:21
ivoksand there is one libxbase2.004:21
ivoksthe problem is that theese are same librarys04:22
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siretartof course debdiff. silly me04:22
herveivoks, isn't that package already obsoleted?04:22
ivoksherve libxdb?04:22
herveivoks, you checked reverse deps?04:22
ivokslibxbase2.0 is newer04:22
hervemaybe isn't used anymore for a long time04:23
ivoksherve how to check that? :)04:23
ivoksah04:23
ivokssilly me04:23
ivoksoleo depends on it04:24
ivoksoleo - GNU spreadsheet program04:24
hervesounds like an old text only crap :-)04:24
herveivoks, last update on 2003-05-1304:25
herveold crap :-)04:25
ivoksyeah :)04:26
ivoksso, we should dump that...04:26
herveI want to make it a morgue candidate04:26
hervebut i'm a facist with regard to old packages :-)04:26
ivoksok, how? :)04:26
ivoksit should, at least, be repacked04:27
ivoksto depend on libxbase, not libxdb04:27
herveand oleo need patches for gcc4 :-)04:27
herveyes, that's the second step of the transition04:27
hervebut will oleo compile and run with libxbase...04:28
ivoksyes04:28
ivokscouse libxbase is newer version of libxdb04:28
herveyet but api changes,04:29
herve?04:29
ivoksthere is only one way to be sure :)04:29
herveyou read my mind :-)04:29
ivoksi don't think API changed04:29
hervebut don't forget your student duty04:29
ivoksthey did rename couse of copyright...04:29
ivoksi said, i have whole night :)04:29
herve:-/04:30
ivoksdon't wory...04:30
herveif oleo is the only rdep04:30
ivoksit is04:31
herveand behaves fine with libxdb04:31
ivokslibxbase04:31
herve(libxbase) I'll say "let's go renaming!"04:31
ivoksok, i'll do it :)04:33
ivoksor try to do ti :)04:33
herveafter your studying :-)04:33
ivoksno, before..04:33
ivoksi can't work over day...04:33
ivoksfull house and it's hot04:34
ivoksbut..04:34
ivoksif I do build-dep, it will download libxdb-dev04:34
ivokshow to force it to d/w libxbase2.0-dev?04:35
ivoksok, i know04:35
hervebuild-dep is just handy04:36
herveinstall deps by hand is as good04:36
ivoksi know04:36
ivoksherve no problems yet :)04:39
ivoksdoh... :(((04:39
herveyou spoke too fast? :-)04:39
ivoksyeah04:40
ivoksio-term.h:47: error: array type has incomplete element type04:40
hervedid I taught you dpatch? :-)04:40
ivoks?04:41
ivoksthis is app problem, not library04:41
herves/taught/teach04:42
herveit's a compile error?04:42
ivoksyes04:42
herveso it's a library issue04:42
ivoksextern struct cmd_func cmd_funcs[] ;04:42
ivoksyeah, but programs library04:42
ivoksthis io-term.h is in program's source04:42
herveha it's a system header?04:43
ivoksno, app04:44
ivoksit's src/io-term.h04:44
ivokscalled by src/regions.c04:45
ivoks#include "io-term.h"04:45
herveis... I read isn't04:45
hervegcc4 issue, simply?04:45
ivokscould be04:46
ivoksdidn't apply patch, silly me :)04:46
hervehttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=oleo04:46
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ivokshm..04:46
ivoksthat's for plotter.c04:46
opihttp://bronikowski.com/uus/ a little help for you, guys ;-)04:50
ivokspolitics :)04:52
tsengim confused04:52
opiI'm drunk04:52
tsengmono-common504:53
tsengim the #2 package04:53
tsengrock on04:53
ivoksuh04:54
ivoksi forgot something to do today04:55
ivoksit's election day :)04:55
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ivokshave to vote :)04:55
herveivoks, tsss04:55
herve:-)04:55
ivoksheh04:55
ivoksand i vote to kick oleo out04:56
ivoksit's last development version was released back in 200304:56
ivoksit's a dead project04:57
ivoksLast update :  $Id: oleo.html,v 1.5 2002/08/2204:57
ivoksmake that 200204:57
opioldie04:57
mbeattieoleo is ugly too04:58
hervereading the webpage04:58
opitime to go for a walk04:58
opisee you later, hackers04:58
ivoksok, where to report dead projects?04:58
hervedebian's QA? :-)04:59
ivoksthe worst thing is that it depends on libxdb witch doesn't want to compile with gcc404:59
herveor MorgueCandidates in ubuntu04:59
hervebut since mvo is the maintainer05:01
herveand he's around05:01
herveyou'll probably report to him05:01
ivokshe's never around :)05:02
ivoks-:- mvo  There was no such nickname05:02
hervestrange05:03
herveleave xdb for now05:04
hervego vote05:04
herveand do you homework :-p05:04
ivoksi will05:05
ivoksi'm going :)05:05
ivokssee u05:05
herve++05:06
mbeattieso... hi?05:07
herve?05:08
mbeattiehow are you05:08
hervewell, fine05:09
mbeattieglad to hear that05:09
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herveogra, no new version of cputmp? :-)05:56
tsengogra: oh, what did you have to do to get monodis properly installed btw?06:25
ograwhat we talked about before, insall the binary from .lib06:25
tsengyes06:25
tsengin .install?06:25
ograbut i want to look into it again before release06:26
ograyep06:26
ograthe libtool wrapper should rather work properly06:26
tsengk just letting meebey know06:27
tsengwe are talking the latest crack06:27
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ogratseng, #debian-mono ?06:29
tsengwas #mono/gimpnet and /msg06:29
ograah, ok06:29
tsengim in a zillion mono channels06:29
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hervehey jbailey!07:07
jbaileyHeya herve07:08
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jucahi all07:20
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herveivoks, what are you doing here? :-)08:39
tritiumhi willis08:41
willistritium, hi08:42
tritiumwillis, thanks for your email regarding gourmet08:43
ivoksherve having fun :)08:43
willistritium, hey no problem, thanks for maintaining it08:43
ivoksE: Build-dependencies for wftk could not be satisfied.08:43
ivoksyupi! :)08:43
hervewillis, you're the author?08:44
willisherve, no08:44
herveivoks, your studies...08:44
ivoksherve man, i can't sit whole day on chair and draw roads08:44
tritiumwillis, it's fairly straightforward.  The only thing I'd like to see change would be for upstream to remove the debian/ directory.08:44
ivoksherve i need peace for that, and that's only over night, when sister is sleeping, dog's aren't barking etc...08:45
willistritium, i'll mention it to the upstream author, he used to use debian i know, and so it my be a artifact from that, (making his own packages)08:45
herveivoks, I thought you meant sunset. when do you sleep then? :-)08:46
herveho yes, please!08:46
herveask him to remove the debian dir!08:46
ivoksherve 2-3 hours/day08:47
tritiumwillis, he's your old prof?08:47
willistritium, he was a teacher at my school08:47
willisboth of us have left since then08:47
herveivoks, you remind me more and more :-)08:48
ivoks:)08:48
ivokscheck out http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/libs08:48
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ivoksi'm making progress08:48
tritiumwillis, I see.  Do you have strong sentiments about maintaining gourmet?08:49
mkdeis there a decent GUI for changing boot services in universe or something? if not, could I suggest one which might be of interest08:49
ivokssome mistakes I did yestrday and today in the morning are now clear to me, and, hoppfully, we won't see more of them :)08:49
willistritium, hah no no, i was just looking for a package to give a shot at, and noticed his program on the universe wishlist08:49
herveivoks, I hope these errors are not related to your lack of sleep ;-)08:49
ivoksherve maybe they are, who knows...08:50
tritiumwillis, oh, okay.  I thought perhaps you felt strongly about it, particularly since he was from your school.08:50
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mkdeanyone?08:50
ivoksok..08:50
hervemkde, I was sure there was one in the system > admin menu... but no08:51
willistritium, no, i didn't think it was being maintained at first, but ogra told me you were doing it, which is fine08:51
ivoksone lib is missing on CxxLibraryList08:51
willistritium, i'll find something to try my hand at maintaining08:51
mkdeherve, there was one with gst of 2.8, but not anymore08:51
hervemkde, do you think the ubuntu user concerns about changing services?08:51
tritiumwillis, okay, thanks for understanding.08:51
mkdeyes08:51
willistritium, no problem, and thanks for you work08:51
hervemkde, as for me, he may probably more shoot himself in the foot :-)08:52
ivoksmkde build a package and suggest it08:52
mkdeherve, many users ask about how to turn off boot services, and usually get the wrong answer (changing permissions in /etc/init.d etc)08:52
tritiumwillis, :)08:52
mkdeivoks, i know of a package, which i was going to suggest for inclusion08:52
herveI don't remember seeing this on ubuntu-users08:52
tritiummkde, do you have a recommendation that uses update-rc.d ?08:52
hervethe gnome folks probably know some story behind involving gnome-system-tools08:53
mkdeyes08:53
ivokswell, debian has some packages like that, doesn't it?08:53
hervea handful!08:53
hervebut for administrators08:53
ivoksit's bee a while since I had X on Debian :)08:53
hervewho are the audience of such tools as for me08:53
mkdescreenie http://mdke.mine.nu/UBM.png08:54
mkdeone of the italian users wrote it08:54
mkdeloads of people using it08:55
hervethey said depending on libstdc++5 is a bad sign?08:55
mkdeits perl tho08:55
herveno chance it gets in main then ;-)08:55
mkdenot a problem08:55
tritiummkde, care to package it up?08:55
mkdetritium, its packaged for Ubuntu08:56
mkdetritium, the guy who wrote it also packaged it08:56
hervedebian native package... ?08:56
tritiummkde, okay.  Does he want it in universe?08:56
ivoksthen put a package for a review08:56
herveI still don't think users should touch services08:56
mkdetritium, he doesn't want it anywhere, but he is happy for it to go in, if you are interested08:56
mkdeherve, maybe that was the rationale behind removing it from gst08:57
tritiummkde, I'd rather not take it on, but if he want to pursue maintainership, he should go for it08:57
mkdewell he will continue maintaining that package08:57
tritiummkde, I mean universe maintainership08:58
mkdetritium, no he isn't interested in that. he just wants to help people out08:59
tritiummkde, I see08:59
ivokshe could give packaging to someone else08:59
mkdehttp://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubm.html <-- download http://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubmdocs.html <-- explanation of how it works08:59
mkdeivoks, he is happy to carry on packaging it i'm sure09:00
ivoksand contiunue to develop09:00
ivoksthen he should continue09:00
ivoksand provide new packages for breezy and other newer versions...09:01
mkdehmm09:01
mkdeits you guys' call. The package is there09:01
ivoksmkde package need maintainer09:01
ivoksneeds09:01
tritiummkde, ivoks is right.  It's his call, actually, imho09:02
mkdei don't get it09:02
ivokshe will need to be active or someone from ubuntu or debian will take over09:02
tritiumhis being the developer,09:02
mkdehe's written the program and packaged it, and is happy to continue doing so. If you want to put it in an archive, that is fine, if not, it'll continue to be downloadable from the internet/forums09:02
ivoksyou can write program, that's fine... if we like it, we will package it09:03
ivoksbut if you want to package as well, then you have to be aware of obligations09:03
mkdewell if you're not happy with the packaging, then package it again09:03
mkdeits gnu09:03
tritiummkde, I don't get why he doesn't want to maintain it himself (officially)09:03
tsengwhats this middle man silliness09:04
mkdei don't know what "officially" entails09:04
mkdehe does maintain it doesn't he?09:04
tritiumpursuing maintainership for universe is what I mean09:04
Lathiatit looks kinda slick09:04
tritiumi.e., becoming an MOTU09:04
Lathiatbut i feel it's interface could be a little less daunting looking09:04
mkdeLathiat, you can download and test09:04
tsenghe doesnt maintain it if he cant upload to ubuntu directly or find a regular sponsor09:04
mkdeLathiat, also suggestions are welcome i'm sure09:04
mkdetseng, really all I wanted to do was to make you guys aware of the program.09:05
tsengthen it needs to be on MOTUToReview or UniverseCandidates09:05
ivoksmkde thanks, ubuntu needs something like this09:05
ivoksyes09:05
ivoksNewPackage09:05
Lathiati think it could be simplified a bit tho with most of the column lists put into an openable dialog09:06
ivoksMOTUNewPackages09:06
Lathiator that list shown advanced09:06
Lathiatdoes thsi person irc?09:06
tritiumBut someone's got to maintain it...09:06
mkdeLathiat, email him with any suggestions09:06
tsengsomeone should really fix whatever is keeping out the gnome-system-tools service manager09:06
tsengbut this looks comparable09:06
mkdetseng, wasn't it an intentional ommission?09:06
ivokscome on guys... review my wifi-radar :)09:06
tsengmkde: i said fix whatever is keeping it out09:07
tsengwhich was intentional for some reason, yes09:07
mkdetseng, isn't it a policy ommission?09:07
tsengi have no idea09:07
mkdei think so09:07
mkdelike herve said09:07
tsengwhat policy?09:07
mkdeno need for users to mess with startup services in ubuntu09:07
mkdeunless they know what they are doing09:07
tritiumheh, speaking of "radar", I need to get back to work09:07
herveI just say it's too dangerous for users for playing with the services09:08
ivoks:)09:08
mkdeherve, i agree in general09:08
tsengif they cant do it in cli09:08
tsengthats probably true09:08
mkdewell update-rc.d is quite safe i spose09:08
ivoksbut we should provide ubuntu users unix way of thinking09:08
ivoksthey should be aware of danger doing as root09:09
tritiummkde, thanks for making us aware of the package09:09
mkdeyeah my personal view is that the package shouldn't include rcS.d09:09
ivoksbut noone should stop them killing them self :)09:09
mkdebut it does09:09
mkdetritium, my pleasure :D09:09
mkdekeep up the great work09:09
ivokshm...09:12
ivoksshouldn't libsmpeg0c2 replace libsmpeg0?09:12
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herveivoks, that's the plan, yes09:14
ivoksbut if i try to install libsdl1.2-mixer-dev09:14
ivoksit removes libsmpeg0c2 and installs libsmpeg0 and libsmpeg0-dev09:14
hervethen it must be part of the transition I gues09:15
hervecheck with doko09:15
ivoksdoesn't Replaces provide way out?09:15
herveI can't let just my intution speak09:15
herveProvides you mean?09:15
ivokswell... why don't we put Provides too?09:16
hervewe should09:17
herveas I remember the plan of action, though :)09:17
hervebug?09:17
ivoksno, we don't09:17
ivokswe put only Recomends and Conflitcs09:17
ivokswell, I'll repackge libsdl1.2-mixer09:18
ivoksand notify doko about that...09:18
ivoksI allready see Pandora's box opening :)09:19
herveI'd say we're inside it ;-)09:20
hervewe're fixing the universe, it's not an easy duty!09:20
ivoksi know09:21
ivoks:)09:21
ivoksthis goes to .sig :)09:21
herveright, we Conflicts/Replaces, don't Provides09:21
herveactually, we were thinking about t-shirts09:21
ivokst-shirts?09:22
herveyes, why not :-)09:23
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ivoksi'm working :)09:27
herveha ok, better reading this :-)09:28
ivoksok, libsdl-mixer done09:28
ivokslet's do hocus pocus09:28
ivoksThe following packages will be REMOVED:09:29
ivoks  aptitude libsigc++-1.2-5c102 ubuntu-minimal09:29
ivoksnice, very nice... man...09:30
ivoksaptitude and ubuntu-minimal need repackaging :)09:30
ivoksok, wftk is going well..09:30
herveubuntu-minimal?09:31
hervearen't you touching a main package?09:31
ivoksi touched libsdl-mixer1.209:31
herveha no09:31
herveit's the removal of aptitude09:31
ivoksdoh..09:33
ivokslibsdl-mixer1.2 is main09:33
ivoksfubar09:33
herve:D09:34
ivokslibsdl-mixer1.2 depends on libsmpeg, halo?!09:34
ivoksmain package depends on universe package?09:34
hervethey should not09:34
ivoksDependencies:09:34
ivoks1.2.5-9 - libc6 (2 2.3.2.ds1-4) libogg0 (2 1.1.0) libsdl1.2debian (4 1.2.7-0) libsmpeg0 (2 0.4.4-7) libvorbis0a (2 1.0.1) libvorbisfile3 (2 1.0.1)09:34
hervebut I guess you must make a cut somewhere09:35
ivokslibsmpeg0 is main too09:35
ivokswtf...09:35
herveok so they follow the logic whatever09:35
ivoksoh, they should fix that in main09:36
ivoksthey created new libsmpeg0c209:36
ivoksand have packages depending on libsmpeg009:36
herveanyway, remember the real fun begins on tuesday09:36
ivoksi know :)09:36
ivoksi should remeber not to upgrade my breezy :)09:37
ivoksok, i'm done for today09:37
ivoksi'll kill eyes for an hour or two and then start drawing :(09:38
ivoksbye09:39
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hervebye09:39
kokehi09:40
hervehi koke09:40
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hervegood night10:11
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dholbachhey motaboy11:19
motaboyhi dholbach11:19
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ivoksdoko11:27
dholbachivoks: is "doko" a greeting at your place? ;-)11:30
ivoks:)11:31
ivoks'evening11:31
dholbachdid xbase work out in the end?11:32
ivoksxbase exist allready in breezy11:32
ivoksxdb is obsolete11:32
ivoksoleo rdepends on it11:32
dholbachso what did you want to do to it?11:32
ivoksand oleo is dead project11:32
ivoksdholbach i didn't know xbase is in allready11:32
dholbachah ok that's why11:33
dholbachbut we learnt something from it... what you can do to packages11:33
dholbach;-)11:34
ivoksso i proposed oleo and xdb to mortage11:34
dholbachwouldnt oleo work with xbase?11:34
ivoksi tried11:34
ivoksmaybe it would11:34
ivoksbut it won't compile... i think it's a gcc4 issue11:35
dholbachmaybe just get rid of xdb11:35
dholbachmaybe some oleo hardcore user will propose a patch11:35
dholbach... maybe ...11:35
ivoksthere is no oleo users :)11:35
ivokson oleo page they say gnumeric is better11:35
ivoks:)11:35
dholbachREALLY?11:35
ivokscheck out11:36
dokoivoks: ?11:36
dholbachoh yes... looks nice11:36
ivokshttp://www.gnu.org/software/oleo/oleo.html11:36
dholbachOpenOffice: take this, in your face: http://www.gnu.org/software/oleo/oleo1.png11:37
ivoksdoko the patch does have unrelated changes.?11:37
ivoksdoko you are, i suposse, talking about config.* stuff11:38
dokodholbach: you're working on your thesis? very well!11:38
dholbachdoko: i wanted to end the evening with some c++ packages11:39
dokoivoks: yes, exactly, just remove it from the patch please11:39
ivokswell... ok11:39
dokognumeric is a nice application ...11:39
ivokshaha you didn't see oleo then :)11:40
ivoksdoko ok, uploaded11:43
dokouploaded? I hope only the patch ;)11:44
ivoksonly patch11:44
ivoksdon't let it's size fool you11:44
ivoksi removed one usless patch in debian/patches11:44
ivoksand doko we have one broken dependecy11:45
ivokswftk can't be build...11:45
ivokslibsdl-mixer1.2 need transition - that's from main11:46
ivoksdarkaudit gksudo synaptic11:48
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dokoivoks: very strange. preparing an update11:51
ivoksdoko it depends on libsmpeg011:51
ivoksnot libsmpeg0c211:51

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