=== ubuntulog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | => http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaloneUniverseWishList <= | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by ogra at Sat May 14 01:54:59 2005 === prevod [prevod@P1-230-20014.dialup.ns.ac.yu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === womble [~mpalmer@eth1859.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [~minghua@ppp-69-153-138-159.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [~minghua@ppp-69-153-138-159.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] ogra: did we hear anything about main? [02:34] tseng, yep, pitti has to do a security review first :-/ [02:35] that will be a big job :( [02:35] yep [02:36] :( === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-082-082-205-180.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] ogra: [02:45] < BenM> tseng, be careful about amd64 boxes [02:45] < BenM> we always install to prefix/lib [02:45] < BenM> not libdir [02:46] oh [02:46] ok [02:46] that means more to you than me, I imagine [02:47] it should be ok, /usr/lib64 is a symlink to /usr/lib [02:52] ogra: so if i export MAKEOPTS=j1 in mono rules [02:52] ogra: can you think of why it might not be setting it for the build? [02:54] why j1 ? [02:54] because it fails with > j1 in a certain case [02:54] internal gc and __thread on x86 [02:54] suse uses __thread on all archs [02:54] we could too [02:54] since pthread is going away [02:55] yep [02:55] in breezy+1 === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === goofrider is away: I'm busy === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000d56f1e3c8.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === goofrider is back (gone 00:41:20) === janm [~user@202.172.110.196] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dahane_ [~dahane@c131216.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dahane_ is now known as dahane === aisipos [~anton@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [~jaldhar@adsl-215-202-216.aep.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === susus [~sz@p5089DA15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@p5089DA15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0348.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:09] anyone? [09:13] ivoks: hi [09:13] hey all [09:13] i asked this ubuntu-devel but got no answer so im going to repeat it here... [09:13] i have an interesting problem... im running "dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot" and for some reason it is generating a "-.tar.gz.cdbs-config_list". whats that all about? how do I stop it generating the file? I'm using cdbs-0.4.28-1ubuntu1 [09:14] hm [09:15] debian/rules? [09:16] ivoks: what about it? [09:17] what is the name of directory in which you are doing dpkg-buildpackage? [09:17] /home/ankur/devel/fast-user-switch-applet/fast-user-switch-applet-0.2.2 [09:18] - - - - [09:18] ? [09:18] ivoks: xalan looks better. please tighten the xerces build-dep to the version used in the transition, change pkglibdir in debian/rules (or you'll get an empty archive) and remove the config.* files in the diff (diff only is enough) [09:19] IRC, source dir should be package-version [09:19] doko one question [09:19] well the others who reviewed it were fine by this... i think it uses the last - to delimit the version [09:19] doko xdb doesn't egzist anymore... it is replaced by XBase library [09:20] take gnome-applets and gnome-applets-data for example [09:20] doko http://linux.techass.com/projects/xdb [09:21] Unfrgiven then i don't know... [09:21] :( bummer [09:25] ivoks: hmm, the source still exists ... [09:26] ivoks: the changes to the config files are in the xclass diff as well === jaldhar [~jaldhar@adsl-219-163-210.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:50] doko yes it does, but i tought.. maybe it's time to replace it? [09:52] doko last revision is from 2004, and maintainer said he should covert standards-version from 3.5.8.0 to 3.6.1 [09:52] doko and the package is unbuildable :) [09:53] doko make that 2003, not 2004 :) [09:53] ivoks: propose it for removal to dholbach or ogra [09:54] ok [10:08] doko could you help me with something? i know where is problem, and i know how to fix it, I just need your opinion... [10:09] doko i have libxalan and libxalan-dev. libxalan contains file libxalanMsg.so.18 [10:10] doko should libxalan-dev also contain this file? if I leave it as is, libxalan-dev will create danglink link on libxalanMsg.so.18 [10:11] doko but, anyway, one can't install libxalan-dev wihout libxalan... so this is ok? [10:15] imho, libxalan-dev shouldn't contain any library [10:16] only includes === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:32] ivoks: that's due to the unchanged pkglibdir variable [10:33] in xalan? [10:33] there is no such variable [10:33] there is pkglib [10:33] pkglib=libxalan$(libpkgver)c2 [10:34] and there is: [10:34] pkglib-dev=libxalan$(libpkgver)-dev [10:35] and those config.sub etc in xclass are because of patch inside debian/patches [10:35] whole xclass is strange === dholbach [~daniel@td9091a52.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:36] hellas [10:37] ivoks: not in the diff, ahh you changed it [10:38] doko yes, but i need to change debdiff too on bugzilla [10:39] ivoks: it's already changed === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:39] ok [10:39] morning all! [10:39] ivoks: and tighten the xalan build dependency please [10:40] libxerces25-dev (>= 2.5.0-4) [10:40] ah... libxalan-dev [10:49] Nafallo hi [10:49] dholbach xdb got new upstream release [10:49] dholbach but they changed name to xbase [10:50] dholbach xdb in debian didn't change since begining of 2003. [10:50] dholbach should i take new upstream source and debianize it or use the old one? is major change, from xdb1.8 to xbase2.0 [10:51] bbl [10:51] dholbach mail me for this issue, if you can (ivoksATgrad.hr) [10:57] <\sh> morning....*grmpf* [10:57] <\sh> 2 free days..2 days in da office :( [12:08] hi [12:08] is anyone using svn-buildpackage for ubuntu adaptions? === dholbach doesnt [12:08] hi siretart [12:09] hi dholbach [12:09] I was thinking of using it for tracking changes in packages.. [12:10] siretart, I read in the CC meeting log that you are interested in MOTUGames stuff [12:10] Burgundavia: yes, I started in bringing to games into debian :) [12:11] siretart, another person you should contact is jdodson on the forums [12:12] he and I chatted at LinuxFestNorthwest about a better gaming experience [12:12] there's no MOTUGames page yet :-) [12:12] go for it! :-) [12:13] I didn't create one becuase my package output has been 1 [12:13] Burgundavia: see the blam fix? [12:13] Burgundavia: well, the problem is, that I have a webforumphobia :) - I'd really prefer mailinglists and irc channels. But, could you give me a link for it? [12:13] Burgundavia: its in gecko not blam actually [12:13] Burgundavia: if you have a page where you list all your goals, it will hopefully attract people who are interested [12:14] everybody loves games [12:14] ... nearly ... [12:14] ;-) === Nafallo is the black sheep he believes ;-) [12:15] siretart, if you post onto -devel, it is mirrored onto the forums === Burgundavia forgot about this when he posted his "forums users are on crack piece" recently [12:15] dholbach, I don;t play games, I just want to make it easier for others to play them [12:16] Burgundavia: you mean Corey Burger? ;) [12:16] siretart, yep [12:16] Burgundavia: that's fine as well [12:18] tseng, I hate to tell you this, but -ubuntu3 didn't fix it [12:18] huh what? [12:18] I knew that yesterday when i saw your problem..? [12:18] and I just said to you, did you see the fix we found [12:19] oh, yes [12:19] oh well [12:19] ill fix it [12:19] thought that had already been committed === Burgundavia is tired [12:19] im not that fast :) === Burgundavia has great faith in tseng [12:19] gotta sync up with debian [12:20] siretart, I will email jdodson and get a wiki page up tomorrow [12:22] ROCK! [12:23] Yay for serpentine! :-) === Nafallo burns his first AudioCD since some years ;-). [12:24] Nafallo, does it work ok for you ? [12:25] ogra: seems so. [12:25] hey ogra [12:25] hi [12:25] hi dholbach [12:25] ogra: you've had errors? [12:25] Nafallo, great to hear... we'll have to decide if we ship gnomebaker or sepentine for breezy [12:26] Nafallo, seb128 said he had some [12:26] ROCK [12:26] ogra: hmm, it's not finished burning yet so... ;-) [12:26] lets wait then [12:32] i wonder if i could get my own branch on pkg-mono svn [12:34] gotta go to grandma, bye! === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] mor... noon! === Nafallo_ [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:46] that was irritating. [12:46] s/was/is/ [12:46] my wlandriver hates me. [12:48] choose freedom, choose ipw2200 :-) [12:48] thats not exactly "free" by all definitions [12:48] argh [12:48] argh, tseng ? [12:48] its close enough [12:48] Intel home made license? [12:48] only problem si the firmware [12:49] the firmware is not freely distributable [12:49] tseng, did you recognize that blam depends on libstdc++ ? [12:49] i guess we are just ignoring that [12:49] ok, my mistake then [12:49] heya herve [12:49] ogra: wha!? [12:49] rt2500 :-) === herve gives the high five to dholbach [12:49] doesn't need firmware. [12:49] tseng, its in the build depends [12:49] buh [12:49] the rt2500 driver suxbad [12:50] tseng, which means we have to wait until after cXX transition with it [12:50] eh the fix is in gecko [12:50] Lathiat: it's not that bad. have everything I wish for, and gives a little thrills when it decides to hate the ap and disconnects ;-). [12:50] blam can sit for awhile [12:50] tseng, it still crashes here... [12:50] well thats a different problem [12:50] you can distirbute the firmware [12:50] ogra: you got my last lines? [12:50] tseng, and has no cil-common bindings [12:50] just only under a license as restrictive as theres, which basically says you cant reverse engineer etc [12:50] ogra: yes [12:51] but it can wait [12:51] ok [12:51] or can I do it today? [12:51] ogra: i.e. works fine, but needs to have the icon displayed in the program and not just the menu ;-). [12:51] youll have to tell me what your crasher is, i dont have one with fixed gecko [12:51] tseng, sure, but as soon as the library names change it wont work anymore [12:51] buh [12:51] ok [12:52] my crasher is a segfault... coming along with a X error message [12:52] wow [12:52] gdk-x11-2.0? [12:52] hmm [12:52] i have a fix for that one [12:52] oh yeah thats not yours either [12:52] the segfault sadly hsa no further information... [12:52] has even [12:53] Nafallo, serpentine ? [12:54] ogra: yep :-) [12:54] Nafallo, the icon is a one line fix.... e have plenty of time for it ;) [12:54] we even [12:54] ogra: rock on!! :-) [01:07] hi all [01:08] hi [01:08] hi ajmitch_ :-) [01:09] what have I missed today? :) === Nafallo_ [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo uploads his rabbit [01:42] Nafallo, hope you didnt forget to lintian check it before ? [01:44] ogra: hehe, gThumb generated. I thought that was a trusted application? ;-) [01:44] argh libgdiplus has an included cairo [01:44] yeah, it is :) [01:44] it ftbfs here [01:45] it wants to build with neither font backend, so some #defines are ifdef'd out [01:45] and come up missing in the build [01:51] ogra: :-) [01:55] damn google [01:55] three pages of hits on my name and they can't find my homepage :-P [02:08] ajmitch_: just received a mail from a guy from my university with a mail adress from student.otago.ac.nz - does that mean anything to you? :-) [02:12] dholbach: sure, it means he's been a student at my uni :) [02:13] haaahahahah! [02:13] great! [02:13] the world is so incredibly small [02:13] yeah :) [02:13] just finishing off a hoary install in the next room on the flatmate's computer ;) === herve reading three times the Python multiple inheritance rule and punching himself with the documentation === Danten [~danten@h189n8c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@d011048.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] night all [02:45] night ajmitch_ [02:45] ajmitch_: ping [02:45] doko: yes..? === ajmitch_ is just about gone :) [02:46] iff all other clanlib libs depend on libclanlib2, then it's enough to rename that one only === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0348.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] doko thanks for the tip === herzi [~herzi@d011048.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC1059.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] re [02:54] I'm currently resyncing keychain with debian. There exists a bugzilla report #9416. Should I mention it in the changelog? [02:55] even put a "closes: #9416" line in it? === darkaudit [~bpack@pool-151-205-47-40.clrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:57] and how to request to drop any ubuntu changes in favor of a new debian packages, which incorporates all changes by 'us' (ubuntu, or in this case by me)? === darkaudit is having a fluxbox update problem... new Sid pkg is 0.9.12, but depends on libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0). Hoary has 2.2.3-4ubuntu7. Is there anything I can do here, or am I stuck until Breezy is ready? [02:58] darkaudit: you would have to wait for breezy [02:58] hey ivoks, how's your studying? :-) [02:59] herve :) [02:59] i have whole night :) [02:59] siretart: just tell elmo to sync and drop your changes - there should be a bugreport on bugzilla in this case (MoM) [02:59] siretart, tell elmo to sync it and tellhim he can override... [02:59] ivoks, tsss [03:00] elmo needs an motu to approve syncs [03:00] dholbach ogra what should I do with xdb? there is new upstrem version with rename of program [03:00] dholbach: even for universe packages? [03:00] ivoks, the old package needs to get removed from the seeds [03:00] tseng: no, but in case there are merge-o-matic complaints in bugzilla, he just doesnt override like that [03:00] oh [03:00] siretart: yes [03:00] ivoks, the new one must go in [03:01] ivoks, talk to Kamion about it tomorrow .... [03:01] ivoks: are there reasons which keep us from using the old name? [03:01] siretart: I posted the issue on Dopey's blog... hopefully he or some other kind soul can package a version that will work with Hoary [03:01] heh [03:01] ogra: will he bite me if I tell him on irc, or does he prefer plain email? [03:01] siretart: he wont [03:01] dholbach, the ackage doesnt exist anymore in debian [03:01] :) [03:01] package even [03:01] dholbach well... they said namechange is because other company conntacted them for using copyrhigtet name [03:02] oh ok [03:02] copyrighted name [03:02] ogra: it does: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=0&exact=1&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=xdb&searchon=sourcenames [03:02] ivoks: then we should package the renamed, funky new version :-) [03:02] xdb exist in debian [03:02] but hasn't been updated since 2003. [03:02] dholbach, it will disappear, so we cant sync breezy+1 then [03:03] ok, ill do new one [03:03] ogra: i don't care about the old one, if ivoks does the new one :-)) [03:03] yep [03:03] yay inotify seems to actually be workign now [03:03] ivoks: GO! GO! GO! :-) [03:03] just one question [03:03] beagle and new gamin [03:03] dholbach :) [03:03] it shoud have Replaces: xdb [03:04] and Provides: xdb ? [03:04] ivoks: hrmhrmhrm, not really sure [03:04] ivoks: you should test it for maximum upgrading fun experience [03:04] :)) === User615 [~User@zux221-212-107.adsl.green.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] and you should see diff of xclass source [03:05] it has config.cache, config.sub, etc in it... [03:05] i have to fix that too... :( [03:05] ivoks: that should work automagically [03:06] dholbach no [03:06] dholbach problem is that debian guy did a patch that creates that files :) [03:06] config.{cache,sub} are copied in by most of the packages in the clean target [03:06] they're not created, but updated [03:07] from /usr/share/misc/config.* [03:07] no [03:07] you're positively sure he copied them manually? [03:07] nope :) [03:07] ok :-) [03:07] wait... [03:07] then read debian/rules and check :-) [03:07] in debian/patches [03:08] he has patch with config.* [03:08] oh ok === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:08] you don't have config.cache in /usr/share :) [03:08] that's cache :)) [03:08] usr/share/misc [03:08] there isn't config.cache [03:08] there is .sub [03:08] and .guess [03:08] but .cache can't be there [03:09] maybe you check the changelog and try to determine why he did that patch [03:09] i think he did a mistake, but i'll check [03:09] couse he patches Makefile etc [03:09] that can be VERY intentional [03:10] ogra: what did you mean by seeding stuff and kamion? [03:10] * new version for config.sub to make it compile on arm [03:10] dholbach, for xdb [03:10] ogra: it's in universe [03:10] dholbach, and ? [03:10] what would we change where? === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:11] ivoks: and btw the maintainer is mvo - you can just ask him, if he's around [03:11] dunno, thats why i ask Kamion, since he is responsible for that [03:11] ogra: for what in the xdb case - i didnt get it [03:12] dholbach, for letting the old package dissapear from universe... [03:12] and introducing the new one [03:12] ogra: elmo will remove and blacklist it [03:12] dholbach no config mentioned in changelog :) ok, i'll investigate === dholbach strokes the MorgueCandidates page [03:13] ivoks: * new version for config.sub to make it compile on arm [03:14] where did you find that? [03:14] ivoks: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/x/xdb/xdb_1.2.0-5/changelog [03:14] ? [03:15] dholbach i'm talking about xclass :) [03:15] hrmbl [03:15] ok, let me have look [03:15] you said: it shoud have Replaces: xdb [03:15] and you should see diff of xclass source [03:15] it has config.cache, config.sub, etc in it... [03:15] that's why :-) [03:15] :) [03:18] hm [03:18] in rules; for clean: [03:18] cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub config.sub [03:18] there you go [03:18] :-) [03:18] uh.. [03:18] and doko told me to remove that configs from diff [03:18] :) [03:19] apart from that: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=166345 [03:19] say, is breezy still resyncing new debian packages from sid on a regular basis? [03:19] that's where the patch got added [03:19] siretart: yes [03:19] ok [03:19] ivoks: but funnily enough it says in the bug reports, that the patch was submitted upstream :-) [03:19] I got a new version of londonlaw uploaded to debian, this one should also be buildable on ubuntu. [03:20] ahhh londonlaw is yours [03:20] dholbach so, i should leave it? [03:21] ivoks: what else is touched in the patch? [03:21] ivoks: only config.* ? [03:21] no.. [03:21] patch has to be aplied [03:21] but, i'm not so sure for the config.* part [03:22] dholbach: yeah. Do you remember Scottland Yard, the Ravensburger board game? [03:22] if debian/rules takes care of updating config.* it's pretty "$&()"$)" to have it in the patch as well [03:22] siretart: of course - i had it as a child :-) [03:22] dholbach i agree [03:22] dholbach then, i'll remove them from patch [03:22] ivoks: brilliant [03:23] dholbach: it's the networked python version of it :) [03:23] hm [03:23] it even patches debian/rules [03:23] siretart: i saw it because of the funny name :-) [03:23] wtf? === dholbach can't believe it [03:23] and changelog and everything :) [03:24] ARG [03:24] there has to be a catch [03:25] he never aplies that patch... it's just there :) [03:25] remove it completely [03:25] will do === dholbach shakes head in disbelief [03:26] and i will remove those cp of config.... [03:26] i don't think they are needed [03:26] no leave them [03:26] ok [03:26] they update the config.* stuff everytime a new package is built [03:27] that's good because new portions are add to the configure stuff (for new architectures, new compilers, ...) [03:27] ok === siretart is trying his first gcc-4 transition: poker3d [03:28] ivoks: the shlibs.local looks ODD to me too [03:29] nothing on http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html#s-shlibslocal mentions stuff like "libPACKAGE# 0.6.2 xclass (>> 0.6.2-0), xclass (<< 0.6.2-99)" [03:29] whole package is odd [03:29] absolutely [03:29] ok pals, see you later, i'm off for some hours [03:29] bye [03:29] have fun :-) [03:29] yeah :) === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ozamosi [~ozamosi@h173n11c1o1031.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:53] I knew that I forgot to ask questions last meeting. can anyone answer this one: [03:54] should also binary c++ packages be renamed even if there are no reverse depends outside the source package? [03:56] i guess not... [03:56] but I'm not relevant person to answer this q. === darkaudit [~bpack@pool-151-205-47-40.clrk.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:09] siretart, we are just renaming libs, AFAIK [04:09] I would say just update its dependency to the libraries [04:09] ok [04:10] I just finished my work on the package, it's building fine in breezy with gcc-4 === opi [~emil@195.69.82.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:10] lol [04:10] hi [04:11] there allready is libxbase [04:11] :)) [04:12] ivoks, just get to your homework :-) [04:12] hi opi [04:12] :) [04:13] what's the procedure of review? :-) [04:13] I post a package and let to bitchslaps? :> [04:14] reviewing what? [04:14] hm [04:14] hm. not quite ready. still some python2.3 deps here [04:14] libxbase and libxdb are same libs [04:14] just different names [04:14] herve: a package [04:15] herve: OK, I've found a Wiki page [04:15]