[12:30] (hybrid_goth/#ubuntu) super_dude2: do you have the codec?
[12:31] (mandingo/#ubuntu) mount -t fat32 /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows
[12:31] (hybrid_goth/#ubuntu) did you get it from apt?
[12:31] (super_dude2/#ubuntu) yes
[12:31] (eurmst/#ubuntu) mount: aankoppelingspunt /mnt/windows bestaat niet
[12:31] (Fackamato/#ubuntu) hi
[12:31] <eurmst> doesn't exist
[12:31] <Fackamato> I've got some problems with firefox
[12:31] <mandingo> mkdir /mnt/windows
[12:31] <Fackamato> some text doesn't show, I have to select > copypaste into gedit
[12:31] <super_dude2> i have all the codecs i need i think
[12:32] <eurmst> mount: unknown filesystem type 'fat32'
[12:32] <hybrid_goth> super_dude2: may need to go to http://ubuntuguide.org/#RestrictedFormats
[12:32] <dcraven> vfat
[12:32] <super_dude2> but im supposed to use gmplayer for it to run in gnome but it cant find it
[12:32] <mandingo> then you don't have fat32 support compiled into your kernel
[12:32] <super_dude2> iv been there
[12:32] <dcraven> mandingo: Isn't it called vfat?
[12:32] <mandingo> errr
[12:32] <mandingo> yeah
[12:32] <hkjhggj> dcraven: yeah it is
[12:32] <mandingo> my bad
[12:32] <mandingo> thanks dcraven
[12:33] <hybrid_goth> super_dude2: so it is a mplayer problem
[12:33] <dcraven> No sweat.
[12:33] <eurmst> hmm
[12:33] <mandingo> mount -t vfat /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows
[12:33] <super_dude2> i know and i need it fixed
[12:33] <eurmst> nope
[12:33] <eurmst> I'll wait for mijndert to come online
[12:33] <mandingo> eurmst: error?
[12:33] <krazykook> here is one of the references because people asked....i am not sure these Brazilians are communist or not....they just say the future is free
[12:33] <mandingo> wow
[12:33] <krazykook> http://www.fsfla.org/doi-en.html
[12:33] <eurmst> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[12:33] <eurmst>        missing codepage or other error
[12:33] <eurmst>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[12:33] <eurmst>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[12:33] <eurmst>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[12:33] <eurmst>        dmesg | tail  or so
[12:33] <mandingo> is it a fat32 filesystem or an ntfs filesystem?
[12:34] <eurmst> ntfs i thought
[12:34] <hybrid_goth> super_dude2: what version is it
[12:34] <dcraven> doh
[12:34] <mandingo> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows
[12:34] <dcraven> lol
[12:34] <eurmst> same error
[12:34] <super_dude2> ill check
[12:34] <dcraven> mandingo: There are only a few more combinations :)_
[12:34] <mandingo> hahahaha
[12:34] <super_dude2> MPlayer 1.0pre7-3.3.4
[12:35] <mandingo> well, do what the error message tells you
[12:35] <mandingo> dmesg | tail
[12:35] <mandingo> any useful info
[12:35] <mandingo> ?
[12:35] <hybrid_goth> super_dude2: ok have you tried google?
[12:35] <hybrid_goth> h/o ill dig some up on it
[12:35] <super_dude2> no
[12:35] <slakky> HI AGAIN
[12:36] <Tomcat__> I wasn't really sure before, but now that he rejoins every 5 minutes, I know that slakky is a troll. :o
[12:36] <Tomcat__> Some people have weird hobbies.
[12:36] <hybrid_goth> tritium: man watch that mouse it is getting loose :-D
[12:36] <tritium> hybrid_goth, I know!
[12:36] <eurmst> I'll wait for mijndert to get online mandingo, I'm not so good when its for this kind of stuff :(
[12:37] <hybrid_goth> lol
[12:37] <Octane> is 17 gigs for a root partition ok?
[12:37] <mandingo> suit yourself
[12:37] <eurmst> bit still thanks :)
[12:37] <eurmst> but*
[12:37] <mandingo> so, since I've asked twice, I'm assuming no one here has any experience installing ubuntu on a laptop with a radeon card and getting X to run?
[12:37] <[nubious] > how do you go about running a .jar file?
[12:38] <[nubious] > I realise that's java, but do I decompress it and go from there?
[12:38] <krazykook> mandingo: no i wish i had another computer to work with this ati card i got
[12:38] <[nubious] > or can I jsut run the file itself
[12:38] <bigbill52a> have you tried the instructions on the forums
[12:38] <bigbill52a> ?
[12:38] <bigbill52a> for an ati card?
[12:38] <mandingo> yeah
[12:38] <mandingo> apparently
[12:38] <mandingo> xorg freaks out with the ati driver and the radeon
[12:39] <hybrid_goth> super_dude2: do you have mencoder?
[12:39] <mandingo> I've never had a problem with this card and xfree
[12:39] <mandingo> never used xorg though
[12:39] <bigbill52a> did you modprobe -r fglrx outside of xwindow
[12:39] <mandingo> I can't even get INTO xwindows
[12:39] <mandingo> but no
[12:39] <mandingo> I have not
[12:39] <mandingo> I did however install the fglrx module and update my xorg.conf
[12:39] <mandingo> no I'm getting a device not found error
[12:39] <super_dude2> no i dont think so i dont know what that is.
[12:40] <hybrid_goth> super_dude2: it is in synaptic -> search -> mencoder
[12:40] <hybrid_goth> -> install
[12:40] <super_dude2> ok
[12:40] <bigbill52a> try remarking the bus line
[12:40] <[nubious] > hmmm
[12:40] <[nubious] > how do you compile java?
[12:41] <mandingo> bigbill52a: what do you mean
[12:41] <Razor-X> mencoder is the only real MPEG encoder for Linux, right?
[12:41] <mandingo> actually
[12:41] <super_dude2> it cant find it
[12:41] <krazykook> this is interesting news...i wonder why HP is restricting sales.
[12:41] <mandingo> I've never needed the bus line before
[12:41] <mandingo> I should try commenting it out
[12:41] <krazykook>  diegocgteleline.es writes "According with Tom's Hardware, HP is working with Ubuntu to offer a customized GNU/Linux version that works 100% - wireless, bluetooth, IrDA, IEEE1394 - with HP hardware. This offer will be restricted to Europe, Middle East and Africa. The CD includes free support through online resources as well as paid support through Canonical, the developer of Ubuntu."
[12:41] <mandingo> or is that mandatory with xorg
[12:41] <Razor-X> I'm planning to get mencoder, and _try_ and burn a KVCD
[12:41] <bigbill52a> in your xorg.conf...put a # sign in front of the bus line
[12:41] <bigbill52a> just a sec
[12:41] <mandingo> yeah
[12:41] <mandingo> I'll give that a shot
[12:41] <krazykook> before...HP sold stuff to Asia....i wonder why they are restricting stuff now
[12:41] <bigbill52a> you are using nano to work on xorg.conf?
[12:42] <mandingo> emcs
[12:42] <mandingo> emacs
[12:42] <mandingo> no worries
[12:42] <jamesio> anyone here have problems with dvd sound in vlc?
[12:42] <mandingo> about the lines
[12:42] <[nubious] > krazykook: mayb eit has something to do with China not cutting fuel supply lines to North Korea (which they're using for nuke testing)
[12:42] <mandingo> my return carriages are all gravy
[12:42] <krazykook> [nubious] : who cares if N.Korea nukes the whole world
[12:42] <RedNeck-> is it possible to  make an unattended cd for an automated installation of Ubuntu?
[12:43] <super_dude2> it cant find it
[12:43] <[nubious] > krazykook: I kinda do...
[12:43] <Razor-X> mandingo: ewww, emacs ;)
[12:43] <bigbill52a> you modified xorg.conf as per the instructions on the forum?
[12:43] <mandingo> krazykook: you when you're dying in a nuclear winter
[12:43] <mandingo> bigbill52a: yes
[12:43] <[nubious] > krazykook: I'd rather die via asteroid than nuke...
[12:43] <krazykook> [nubious] : these bastards won't let me talk to my children...so i dont care if they nuke the whole world
[12:43] <[nubious] > krazykook: with a nuke there's the possibility of living through it and dealing with the fallout
[12:43] <mandingo> bigbill52a: but I didn't remove the bus line
[12:43] <reisio> [nubious] : ya...ugly mutant chicks...I'll pass
[12:43] <krazykook> [nubious] : who gives a shit if they nuke the whole world
[12:43] <[nubious] > krazykook: you've said that already
[12:43] <bigbill52a> it wouldnt work on mine until i removed that line...
[12:43] <[nubious] > krazykook: thrice
[12:43] <mandingo> let me give that a shot
[12:43] <mandingo> thanks bigbill52a
[12:44] <[nubious] > krazykook: I'm not saying I care persay, but you asked why HP wasn't selling products - I was only answering your question
[12:44] <reisio> krazykook: I do :)
[12:44] <bigbill52a> your welcome..hope it helps
[12:44] <RedNeck-> Does anyone know where I can download themes for Ubuntu?
[12:44] <mandingo> me too!
[12:44] <reisio> [nubious] : why HP isn't selling products?
[12:44] <reisio> bigbill52a: you're
[12:44] <mandingo> I've heard all these great things about ubuntu
[12:44] <[nubious] > err shipping products
[12:44] <reisio> RedNeck-: gnome-look.org ?
[12:44] <mandingo> I want to check it out
[12:44] <[nubious] > [15:45]  <krazykook> before...HP sold stuff to Asia....i wonder why they are restricting stuff now
[12:44] <mandingo> I'm a lifelong debian unstable user
[12:44] <maswan> krazykook: trial run in the market where they have the most big corporate linux sales? that's a pure guess though.
[12:45] <dcraven> I just made my first deb.. Good times.
[12:45] <RedNeck-> thanks reisio..
[12:45] <reisio> RedNeck-: ...?
[12:45] <maswan> krazykook: It doesn't appear to be a published end-user product anyway, at least not as far as websites go.
[12:46] <jamesio> anyone here have problems with dvd sound in vlc?
[12:46] <reisio> HP is in financial trouble atm I thought
[12:46] <RedNeck-> reisio thanks for the info
[12:46] <bigbill52a> anyone know if there is a driver for x6150 or if any of the existent drivers will make my printer work...
[12:46] <reisio> RedNeck-: oh...
[12:46] <krazykook> HP sure makes some strange decisions
[12:47] <foxiness> im see on Volume Control : to dev to select one "realtek or intel" what is this for ?
[12:47] <reisio> krazykook: yes, they sure do
[12:47] <Octane> can someone explain to me, i just went through the installer, on an already partitioned system (home root swap and boot)
[12:47] <Octane> did the installer respect these partitions?
[12:47] <reisio> krazykook: of course they fired that crazy lady that made most of them
[12:47] <krazykook> and i noticed they are not including the Brazilians and the Latin America Free Software Foundation either
[12:47] <maswan> krazykook: It makes sense if you look at it from the point of view that a couple of large customers asked, and they are providing it for those (fisrt, hopefully)
[12:47] <reisio> krazykook: she's a millionaire...
[12:48] <krazykook> reisio: is that the Carly lady again
[12:48] <reisio> krazykook: don't even remember her name - the one that thought Gwen Stefani holding an HP iPod would boost sales
[12:48] <foxiness> Octane, what the problem ?
[12:49] <krazykook> HPs problem is not thier mobos...it is their printers
[12:49] <reisio> krazykook: you can say that again
[12:49] <Octane> im not sure... the installer didnt have something like a partition configuration step
[12:49] <reisio> HP printers bite
[12:49] <reisio> stupid POS
[12:49] <reisio> and that's their big money maker
[12:49] <foxiness> Octane, u must selet it than tell the installer what to do
[12:49] <bigbill52a> type expert when the boot up screen starts
[12:50] <bigbill52a> and you will access all the setup functions
[12:50] <krazykook> reisio: yes i know...HP, Brother, Epson are all making a fortune off of ink
[12:50] <foxiness> Octane, it will not do auto for u exp.... if u select erase all
[12:50] <reisio> krazykook: I have no idea how they make printers as annoying as they do
[12:50] <Octane> foxiness: yah i selected erase all
[12:50] <bigbill52a> if any one wants to know how to get windows xp to load on sata and ubuntu on ide without affecting each other let me know
[12:50] <krazykook> reisio: well i am sick of the paper jams in the HP
[12:51] <reisio> krazykook: they're evil...way too much hardware crap that should be software
[12:51] <krazykook> reisio: everytime the paper jams in the laserjet...i have to tear the whole thing apart to get the paper out
[12:51] <foxiness> Octane, select edit than somthing like hda3 that change it to ext3 than to /
[12:51] <reisio> krazykook: a printer should do one thing: print
[12:51] <Octane> fuck
[12:51] <Octane> its already installing
[12:51] <krazykook> reisio: that laserjet is the worst design i ever saw
[12:52] <reisio> krazykook: wasn't there something in the news about like chips to make printers stop working or something? stop using ink before the cartridge is empty?
[12:52] <Octane> foxiness what kind of partition map does thje installer use if you do erase all/
[12:52] <krazykook> reisio: they play all kinds of games with ink
[12:52] <foxiness> Octane, 1 - / 2 swap
[12:52] <bigbill52a> the automatic partition only gives 7 gig for root and the rest for home out of 40 gig hd
[12:53] <Beies> just installed ubuntu
[12:53] <Octane> foxiness: does it separate boot and home?
[12:53] <reisio> krazykook: http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzhp234230029apr23,0,4722955.story?coll=ny-business-headlines
[12:53] <Beies> on dell inspiron 6000
[12:53] <bigbill52a> since i like to play with lots of software...that would never be enough
[12:53] <Beies> what a mess to shrink NTFS xp partition
[12:54] <foxiness> now 2 of my frinds installed ubuntu and the 3 on the way :)
[12:54] <foxiness> friends
[12:54] <reisio> foxiness: far out
[12:54] <reisio> I installed Ubuntu once
[12:54] <krazykook> but the laserjet is the worst...you have to tear the whole drum out every time the paper jams
[12:54] <reisio> very gnomey
[12:55] <Beies> where do I find gnome applets
[12:55] <Beies> ?
[12:55] <reisio> uhhhh
[12:55] <reisio> clusty.com?
[12:55] <foxiness> reisio, yeah i like the act gnome do and i think my friends like my
[12:55] <krazykook> and not the toner cartridge...i mean the whole drum assembly...every time the paper jams
[12:55] <reisio> foxiness: cool
[12:56] <reisio> yes yes - HP evil, not HP good
[12:56] <Beies> as well as epson
[12:56] <airox> hehe
[12:56] <krazykook> reisio: that HPLJ5L is the worst ever
[12:56] <airox> curse them all!
[12:56] <foxiness> what the best laptop to buy ?
[12:56] <airox> foxiness: A working one.
[12:56] <foxiness> my friend need one
[12:56] <airox> foxiness: What do you want to do with it ?
[12:56] <foxiness> airox, i think soo
[12:56] <airox> foxiness: Or he.
[12:56] <Beies> this dell is working fine with ubuntu
[12:56] <Tomcat__> This HP as well. :)
[12:57] <airox> My toshiba is also working great with ubuntu.
[12:57] <Tomcat__> Even perfectly.
[12:57] <foxiness> airox, browser that all and w screen
[12:57] <airox> Yeah, same over here.
[12:57] <Beies> where do I put my background images?
[12:57] <reisio> this old crap HP is working fine with GNOME
[12:57] <reisio> Beies: anywhere you like
[12:57] <bretzel>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted ??? I am root ... what's wrong ?
[12:57] <Beies> mmh
[12:57] <krg> Heh.
[12:57] <krg> The following other operating systems have been detected on this computer:  Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[12:57] <airox> toshiba tecra 8200 FULLY working :)
[12:57] <krg> Yeah.
[12:57] <krazykook> reisio: i miss the HPLJ4P...it was perfect
[12:57] <Beies> i can't browse
[12:57] <krg> You guys might want to learn how to recognize FreeBSD, too.
[12:57] <airox> krg: ARGH!
[12:57] <airox> krg: ;)
[12:57] <foxiness> Beies, anywhere
[12:58] <krazykook> reisio: but they went from good to bad
[12:58] <krg> Because like.
[12:58] <Tomcat__> I even got the WLAN LED working now with newer ipw2200 drivers... :o
[12:58] <foxiness> airox, thanks
[12:58] <Nalioth> Beies, anywhere you like, system uses /usr/share/background and /usr/share/wallpaper
[12:58] <krg> That's just embarrassing.
[12:58] <Beies> ok, thx
[12:58] <ssam> it does not even recognise other linuxs
[12:58] <reisio> krg: say what?
[12:58] <REAL> does ubuntu hoary 5.4 comes with the gcc package? i have to installed but the other computer is not with inet.... does it come in the cd or not?
[12:59] <bretzel> Hello, can;t set dna on: error:  setting using_dma to 1 (on)   .. HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[12:59] <foxiness> did anyone use bluetooth btw laptop and smartphone like p910
[12:59] <LinuxJones> krg, you can always fix that and submit a patch it is Open Source Software :)
[12:59] <krg> This PC has both XP Pro and FreeBSD installed on it.
[12:59] <krg> Ubuntu installer doesn't see FreeBSD.
[12:59] <airox> foxiness: I used bluetooth with a sony ericsson T610.
[12:59] <krg> Heh.
[12:59] <foxiness> bretzel, sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[12:59] <airox> foxiness: Got GPRS working.
[12:59] <Tomcat__> REAL: Yeah, the CD has gcc.
[12:59] <REAL> Tomcat do u know the path where it might be?
[12:59] <Tomcat__> REAL: Ubuntu has a quite handy "build-essential" package.
[12:59] <LinuxJones> krg, I am meaning to test freebsd it is quite good I hear
[12:59] <Tomcat__> REAL: Install that package
[12:59] <foxiness> bretzel, or cdrom - dvd
[12:59] <krg> Fortunately, it will let me put grub on hd1.
[01:00] <airox> LinuxJones: There is also pc-bsd perhaps.
[01:00] <airox> But ubuntu just rocks.
[01:00] <bretzel> foxiness: Still not permitted: I do am root
[01:00] <krg> Heh.
[01:00] <foxiness> airox, great to hear
[01:00] <Tomcat__> REAL: Or just install the gcc package
[01:00] <krg> I don't trust Linux as a server.
[01:00] <airox> krg: That, I also don't.
[01:00] <krg> You don't have just one person to yell at.
[01:00] <foxiness> airox, is this bluetooth bulitin or what ?
[01:00] <krg> Oh good.
[01:00] <airox> foxiness: You need some packages for it.
[01:00] <krg> It works.
[01:00] <foxiness> airox, i dont have one
[01:00] <Tomcat__> krg: I never had a person to yell at with not-Linux servers either. :o
[01:01] <krg> Heh.
[01:01] <ssam> krg, should you use openbsd for a server
[01:01] <foxiness> airox, i need to add one to my laptop
[01:01] <foxiness> bretzel, its work with me ;)
[01:01] <airox> foxiness: I just use a usb bluetooth stick.
[01:01] <krg> If I want a megalomaniacal personality in charge of my servers, I'll use Mac OS X Server.
[01:01] <hybrid_goth> is hurd suppose to replace linux?
[01:01] <foxiness> bretzel, sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom
[01:01] <krg> hybrid: Yes, in about 20 years.
[01:01] <airox> foxiness: Cost me about 40 euro's, but I can plug it in every computer I have.
[01:01] <foxiness> airox, brand name
[01:02] <LinuxJones> airox, there are a few ****bsd's I'm not sure which would be best suited for a generic desktop system you have any recommendation ?
[01:02] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: so far i only got the hurd working on a novel nic
[01:02] <krg> Heh.
[01:02] <krg> Probably FreeBSD.
[01:02] <yfir> LinuxJones: freeBSD
[01:02] <LinuxJones> cool
[01:02] <airox> LinuxJones: pc-bsd ?
[01:02] <yfir> LinuxJones: or NetBSD if you need to install on weird hardware
[01:02] <foxiness> airox, what is this i need to buy one :)
[01:02] <krazykook> krazykook: the hardware choices are even more limited than linux
[01:02] <airox> LinuxJones: pc-bsd is based on freebsd
[01:02] <LinuxJones> yfir, I have generic vanilla type hardware
[01:02] <krg> PC-BSD?
[01:02] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: ha sounds like linux .01
[01:02] <reisio> LinuxJones: FreeBSD
[01:02] <krg> Is that a new fork?
[01:02] <yfir> LinuxJones: i'd go with freeBSD (i use it myself - it's great)
[01:03] <LinuxJones> reisio, yfir awesoem thanks :)
[01:03] <airox> A desktop OS just has to let me be productive nothing else :)
[01:03] <krg> Yeah.
[01:03] <reisio> airox: and what do you produce?
[01:03] <krg> That's why I use Mac OS X.  :P
[01:03] <airox> reisio: You don't want to know. :)
[01:03] <reisio> airox: sure I do - that's why I asked
[01:03] <krazykook> airox: linux people don't care about productivity...they like to experiment with code and pioneer things
[01:04] <reisio> ya...except not
[01:04] <airox> reisio: Working on *cough* Access *cough* based application.
[01:04] <krazykook> airox: it is where all the action is
[01:04] <reisio> ...wtf is Access-based application?
[01:04] <airox> Still want to know more ? :P
[01:04] <airox> reisio: Like MS Access ....
[01:04] <reisio> yes I know
[01:04] <reisio> wtf is that
[01:04] <Tomcat__> Argh, I hate those.
[01:04] <krg> Heh.
[01:04] <reisio> you make applications that play with Access?
[01:04] <foxiness> airox, where can i find this usb bluetooth u use ? i want to buy one
[01:04] <reisio> what do they _do_?
[01:04] <krg> I'm reimplementing an Access app to PHP+Postgres.
[01:04] <yfir> krg: osx is a fine os, but i prefer something open
[01:05] <krg> Yeah.
[01:05] <reisio> yfir: OpenDarwin, then
[01:05] <krg> You prefer openness.
[01:05] <airox> foxiness: I got a d-link, but there are more I guess.
[01:05] <Tomcat__> I heard there are banking applications worth hundreds of thousands dollars in Access... that's evil.
[01:05] <krg> I prefer working.  :P
[01:05] <krg> Aw.
[01:05] <yfir> reisio: linux/bsd is fine for me
[01:05] <krg> Ubuntu uses apt.
[01:05] <reisio> yfir: same
[01:05] <krazykook> Tomcat_well Access is what made the MS empire
[01:05] <reisio> yfir: though I'd like to give Plan 9 a whirl
[01:05] <yfir> resiak: that's funny, me too :)
[01:06] <bigbill52a> infodex pro is a easy to use database program...
[01:06] <krazykook> Tomcat_ there are all kinds of people that use databases
[01:06] <Tomcat__> krazykook: I think Windows and Office has a higher market share than access. :)
[01:06] <reisio> could be fun porting stuff/building apps for it
[01:06] <bigbill52a> in windoze
[01:06] <krazykook> Tomcat_the only reason Office sells is because of Acess...it is included
[01:06] <reisio> yes
[01:06] <krg> Not in all versions of Office.
[01:06] <krg> Only Office Pro.
[01:06] <Octane> i just got a million friggin errors when all the packages were being installed
[01:06] <refuze2looze> how do i add the debian menu?
[01:07] <krg> Office Standard doesn't have it.
[01:07] <Octane> before it even did an upgrade when it insatglled them
[01:07] <_nate> i didn't buy office for access, nor do i know anyone who did
[01:07] <PeskyGee> hi all, I'm new to Ubuntu. So far so good :) I was wondering were I can get a repo that has xine-ui and perhaps tvtime or zapping to install?
[01:07] <krazykook> krg: well MS has so many versions of everything...it is mindboggling
[01:07] <zbowling> i'm slowly building a repo of pentium3 or better optimized versions of all the debs... make a script based on apt-build to micro-incriment and append a new change logo entry to the deb-src and rebuild and resign them for -march=pentium3 -mtune=pentium3.. i'll post my repo later
[01:07] <foxiness> thanks a lot airox
[01:07] <foxiness> time to go Zzz c y l8r
[01:07] <zbowling> about 5-30% faster
[01:07] <airox> foxiness: Good luck with it all!
[01:08] <airox> foxiness: nn.
[01:08] <krg> Hm.
[01:08] <reisio> ya...I build all my packages from source :p
[01:08] <krg> I like Ubuntu's installer until the whole package thing happens.
[01:08] <reisio> well, most :P
[01:08] <bigbill52a> ubuntu live is a great way to copy Documents and Settings from a corrupted windows system to an external hd
[01:08] <mandingo> might as well use gentoo
[01:08] <krg> Heh.
[01:08] <reisio> bigbill52a: yes...or any LiveCD :p
[01:08] <krg> Does Ubuntu read NTFS?
[01:08] <_nate> bigbill52a: so is knoppix
[01:08] <reisio> mandingo: I do :p
[01:08] <airox> krg: Yes.
[01:08] <krg> Oh.
[01:08] <Octane> krg depends on your kernel
[01:08] <krg> Hot.
[01:08] <^thehatsrule^> captive ntfs
[01:09] <krg> Heh.
[01:09] <krg> Well.
[01:09] <yfir> krg: reads,doesn't write
[01:09] <krg> The default live CD?
[01:09] <krg> Yeah.
[01:09] <krg> Nothing smart other than NT reads NTFS.
[01:09] <krazykook> mandingo: the people can't use gentoo....the technicians look around in dismay and say i can't understand this crap and i dont' have 2 days to install it....just give me that windows cd over there
[01:09] <airox> krg: Even write with some emulation software with some windows components.
[01:09] <reisio> krazykook: "the people"?
[01:09] <bigbill52a> if you use system rescue disk...stuck with command line...but live cd with its xwindows..makes the job a lot faster and easier
[01:09] <Octane> why is it that when apt-get intially runs i keep getting the error "fontconfig error: cannot load default config file"
[01:09] <saber_> captive ntfs is awesome
[01:09] <Octane> and it halts until i ctrl+C
[01:09] <Zodiac> Guys...
[01:09] <reisio> a technician that can't understand Gentoo...that's pretty sad
[01:09] <airox> saber_: indeed :)
[01:09] <saber_> that's a package that really has been lacking
[01:10] <Zodiac> It is my mission in life to get wireless internet working on my OC
[01:10] <Zodiac> PC
[01:10] <saber_> in the community
[01:10] <Zodiac> it will happen
[01:10] <airox> saber_: U got it working without a kernel build btw ?
[01:10] <reisio> Zodiac: go to it
[01:10] <bigbill52a> windows crashes helps me make a living..may windows crash forever...lol
[01:10] <Octane> lol bigbill52a
[01:10] <airox> Zodiac: Go go go! :)
[01:10] <reisio> bigbill52a: you don't have to wish it - it will
[01:10] <saber_> airox: i'm actually using it with feather linux.   http://featherlinux.berlios.de/download.htm
[01:10] <airox> saber_: ah.
[01:11] <saber_> airox: i'm going to spend the next few days trying to get mondorescue onto feather-tiny
[01:11] <bigbill52a> 75% of my business is reinstalling windoze...and saving the customers files and porno...opps did i say that
[01:11] <Zodiac> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
[01:11] <saber_> ... so you can easily backup any system on CDs :)
[01:11] <Zodiac> I'M DOING IT!!!
[01:11] <Octane> any idea on how to fix this fontconfig problem
[01:11] <airox> saber_: cool!
[01:11] <Octane> where it cant regenrate the fonts cache
[01:12] <bigbill52a> with live cd...just access nautilus..my external drive is already read when it starts up
[01:12] <airox> bigbill52a: Great isn't it!
[01:12] <bigbill52a> sudo mount -tntfs /dev/hda /media/c
[01:12] <bigbill52a> mkdir first of course
[01:12] <reisio> bigbill52a: yes yes livecds are great :p
[01:13] <reisio> the FreeSBIE LiveCD is nice...purdy Xfce
[01:13] <RedNeck-> How can I became a root in Ubuntu?
[01:13] <airox> RedNeck-: Why ?
[01:13] <Zodiac> I failed
[01:13] <Zodiac> ha ha
[01:13] <Zodiac> Shit
[01:13] <Octane> RedNeck- do everything from sudo
[01:13] <reisio> airox: why? :p
[01:13] <RedNeck-> need to install a theme?
[01:13] <yfir> RedNeck-: sudo -s if you need a root shell
[01:13] <Zodiac> guys how do you unload drivers in NDSIwrapper?
[01:13] <bigbill52a> redneck you need to change your sudo file..so that your username reads the same as root
[01:13] <airox> reisio: "Why ?" ? :)
[01:13] <Octane> why the hell cant my fonts cache regenreate
[01:14] <RedNeck-> How?
[01:14] <reisio> there must be thousands of good reasons to use root...that's why it exists
[01:14] <_nate> Zodiac: first douse your puter in gasoline
[01:14] <shray> su -
[01:14] <airox> sudo su -
[01:14] <_nate> no, use sudo
[01:14] <airox> :)
[01:14] <reisio> sudo passwd :)
[01:14] <airox> sudo bash
[01:14] <Zodiac> Seriously I should
[01:14] <reisio> ROOOOOT
[01:14] <bigbill52a> /etc/sudoers
[01:14] <trondd> Does anyone here know the what the "mapping hotplug"-section in /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:15] <_nate> there's a rare place where you even need root shell, and for that you can use sudo -s
[01:15] <Zodiac> This thing only detected half my hardware
[01:15] <_nate> there's no reason to set up root on ubuntu
[01:15] <shray> im ircing from root
[01:15] <shray> =)
[01:15] <krg> Yeah.
[01:15] <bigbill52a> it is supposed to do it automatically with the first username..but it doesnt
[01:15] <reisio> _nate: ...right :p
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[01:15] <krg> That's like saying, "I'm driving after drinking 30 beers!  :)))))))"
[01:15] <bigbill52a> you can also do
[01:15] <bigbill52a> su
[01:15] <_nate> reisio: name one good reason
[01:15] <airox> Yep, least privileges is the best.
[01:15] <bigbill52a> and gdmsetup
[01:15] <reisio> _nate: lol
[01:16] <reisio> _nate: rafb.net
[01:16] <bigbill52a> change gdmsetup so you can log in as root...
[01:16] <airox> bigbill52a: Why in hell would you want to login as root ?
[01:16] <bigbill52a> login the first time...change sudoers and after that it is easy...just sudo everything
[01:16] <RedNeck-> How can I change the sudo file?
[01:16] <_nate> bigbill52a: you don't ever need to login as root
[01:16] <reisio> RedNeck-: just edit it
[01:16] <airox> bigbill52a: sudo vim /etc/sudoers
[01:16] <Octane> has anyone else here had problems with generating the fonts cache on an initial?
[01:17] <Zodiac> Is it bad if hald my hardware is listed as "unknown"?
[01:17] <bigbill52a> sudo wont work though...until you change the file
[01:17] <bigbill52a> so you have to su
[01:17] <airox> bigbill52a: ??
[01:17] <bigbill52a> and enter password
[01:17] <bigbill52a> and then nautilus
[01:17] <bigbill52a> and then click on the file
[01:18] <bigbill52a> sudoers
[01:18] <bigbill52a> and make line underneath root
[01:18] <airox> bigbill52a: sudo gedit /etc/sudoers ???
[01:18] <airox> Normally sudo just works ?
[01:18] <bigbill52a> wont work until you change that file
[01:18] <bigbill52a> so you have to use su
[01:18] <airox> bigbill52a: In which situation ?
[01:19] <krg> Where the hell do you guys hide the xorg config?
[01:19] <reisio> krg: locate xorg.conf
[01:19] <bigbill52a> first time you use ubuntu
[01:19] <reisio> krg: or XF86Config, no idea which Ubuntu uses
[01:19] <krg> Hot.
[01:19] <krg> Thanks.
[01:19] <airox> xorg.conf that is.
[01:19] <bigbill52a> unles your user name is in the sudoers file..you cant use sudo
[01:19] <nakata> //etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:19] <Zodiac> Everything seems pretty snappy... which is weird because everything is listed as unknown... should I persue this as a problem?
[01:20] <reisio> Zodiac: heheh
[01:20] <airox> bigbill52a: If you add a user at the install it will have a corresponding sudoers line.
[01:20] <nalioth> wow this xchat-gnome certainly is different
[01:20] <bigbill52a> didnt do that on mine
[01:20] <Zodiac> Seriouslly?
[01:20] <reisio> nalioth: from what?
[01:20] <airox> bigbill52a: That's odd.
[01:20] <bigbill52a> and i did make a username
[01:20] <bigbill52a> bub
[01:20] <bigbill52a> bug?
[01:20] <nalioth> reisio: standard xchat
[01:21] <airox> bigbill52a: Could be.
[01:21] <nalioth> reisio: #xchat-gnome
[01:21] <bigbill52a> i had to su password nautilus
[01:21] <Tezkah> sudo rm -rf /
[01:21] <bigbill52a> select sudorers in /etc and manually make the change
[01:21] <Tezkah> tezkah'ssecretpassword
[01:21] <Tezkah> oops
[01:21] <Tezkah> wrong window
[01:21] <reisio> nalioth: oh, never heard of it - what's the diff?
[01:21] <Zodiac> Is that normal?
[01:22] <airox> bigbill52a: If you are sure it should be there you should file a bug.
[01:22] <nalioth> reisio: it uses more gnome-centric widgets over standard gtk stuff
[01:22] <bigbill52a> it said that it would be there but it wasnt....
[01:23] <bigbill52a> so weird things were happening
[01:23] <nalioth> reisio: check it out here or in the chan i sent whallago http://xchat-gnome.navi.cx/
[01:23] <airox> bigbill52a: Sure you got a right CD or something ?
[01:23] <krazykook> i don't know why MS has so many inconsistent versions of everything....like DataCenter Edition and Enterprise Edition
[01:23] <desti> what's going on with the torrents, i cant download or upload one bit since days :-/
[01:23] <bigbill52a> like no root passwords would work
[01:23] <krazykook> how are people supposed to know the difference
[01:23] <reisio> nalioth: far out
[01:23] <bigbill52a> shure did..latest version
[01:23] <airox> bigbill52a: Hoary I assume ?
[01:23] <bigbill52a> 5.04
[01:23] <airox> Ok.
[01:24] <krazykook> and why is the Enterprise edition different than the DataCenter Edition
[01:24] <reisio> krazykook: they're not - they're supposed to buy them all thinking they have other stuff
[01:24] <ozmund>  maybe it's similar to GNU/Linux's different distros?
[01:24] <bigbill52a> didnt work...
[01:24] <airox> Is there a possibility you can reproduce the bug ?
[01:24] <bigbill52a> everytime i reinstalled ubuntu..the bug repeated...i like to reinstall stuff...lol
[01:24] <ozmund> krazykook, my post was a comment to your 'i don't know why MS has so man..'
[01:24] <krazykook> they have so many versions of everything it is ridiculous
[01:25] <bigbill52a> but now i figure that linux will eventually crash..but i still love it...
[01:25] <K_Dallas> I have noticed that there is a package in Debian named Diploma (for LaTeX) but I have no idea what it really is only that is for sceintific works. Has anyone ever used it and is there any documentation that I could consult? thanks
[01:25] <bigbill52a> brb  cig break
[01:25] <John6000> nope
[01:25] <JDahl> K_Dallas, ctan is the best place to look for latex packages and documentation
[01:26] <John6000> 12:25 at night in uk
[01:26] <bigbill52a> btw i have amd-64 but i used 386 install..not enough yet for amd-64
[01:26] <hybrid_goth> bigbill52a: it wil crash with breezy
[01:26] <reisio> bigbill52a: eventually crash?
[01:26] <bigbill52a> xmms crashes for no apparent reason and sometimes takes the entire system...into a freeze
[01:27] <K_Dallas> JDahl, i will look there too but since i have the package installed on my system, i was trying to find it and see what it looks like in person ;)
[01:27] <bigbill52a> so switched to a different music program..amarok...to see what that one does
[01:27] <JDahl> I've also had quite a few crashes with Hoary on my Dell Optiplex, and I dont recall having those crashes when I had Debian/Testing installed
[01:28] <airox> Never had a single crash with ubuntu :/
[01:28] <murdok_> HELP! - i have my sound drivers in a .tar file (sis701-2.4.x.tar) and i need assist to install this driver in the root! someone can HELP?
[01:28] <Jonas-> Hi, I have a noob problem: I have made a script for iptables configuration, but I cant get it to execute.
[01:28] <Jonas-> jonas@jonasl:~$ sudo ./firewall
[01:28] <Jonas-> sudo: ./firewall: command not found
[01:28] <airox> Jonas-: What does the first line say ?
[01:28] <K_Dallas> is where the beast is installed, /usr/share/doc/diploma/examples
[01:28] <airox> Jonas-: It should be executable and containing #!/bin/sh
[01:29] <Jonas-> airox -> #!/bin/bash
[01:29] <airox> or #!/bin/bash ..
[01:29] <airox> Jonas-: Do you have the x bit set on the file ?
[01:29] <reisio> bigbill52a: beep-media-player :)
[01:29] <Jonas-> airox -> I guess not...how? :)
[01:29] <airox> Jonas-: chmod +x firewall ?
[01:30] <murdok_> HELP! - i have my sound drivers in a .tar file (sis701-2.4.x.tar) and i need assist to install this driver in the root! someone can HELP?
[01:30] <tsume> murdok_: no yelling, thanks
[01:30] <Jonas-> jonas@jonasl:~$ chmod +x firewall
[01:30] <Jonas-> jonas@jonasl:~$ sudo ./firewall
[01:30] <Jonas-> sudo: unable to execute ./firewall: No such file or directory
[01:30] <murdok_> tsume can you help me to do this?
[01:31] <airox> Jonas-: try sudo /home/jonas/firewall
[01:31] <Jonas-> jonas@jonasl:~$ sudo /home/jonas/firewall
[01:31] <Jonas-> sudo: unable to execute /home/jonas/firewall: No such file or directory
[01:31] <nalioth> aol is now offering free webmail, so instead of spamming from aol.net, it can be directly delivered
[01:32] <murdok_>  i have my sound drivers in a .tar file (sis701-2.4.x.tar) and i need assist to install this driver with the root! someone can help?
[01:32] <airox> Jonas-: Are you sure the file is in the appropriate dir ?
[01:32] <airox> Jonas-: And you have the name correctly ?
[01:32] <Jonas-> airox yes
[01:32] <Jonas-> jonas@jonasl:~$ dir
[01:32] <Jonas-> firewall
[01:32] <airox> Jonas-: ls -l
[01:32] <airox> Jonas-: What does it return ?
[01:33] <bigbill52a> i will see if amarok crashes...lol
[01:33] <Jonas-> jonas@jonasl:~$ ls -l
[01:33] <Jonas-> total 4
[01:33] <Jonas-> -rwxr-xr-x  1 jonas jonas 439 2005-05-15 01:25 firewall
[01:33] <IFRFLYR> Hi, I'm having problems using fdisk on a usb drive; I mount the drive, I can read and write to it,  but when I do fdisk /mnt/usb it complains "You will not be able to write the partition table. Unable to read /mnt/usb" Whatd I do?
[01:33] <murdok_> Please someone help me with my sound drivers....
[01:33] <bigbill52a> does anyone know why kde crashes with pretty little gray flashing boxes on the screen
[01:34] <airox> Jonas-: Looks Ok.
[01:34] <airox> Jonas-: pwd returns what ?
[01:34] <Jonas-> jonas@jonasl:~$ pwd
[01:34] <Jonas-> /home/jonas
[01:34] <airox> Jonas-: O_o
[01:34] <bigbill52a> with or without fglrx installed...programs continue operating ...burning cds, playing music but there is no way to exit xwindows
[01:34] <airox> Jonas-: sudo sh /home/jonas/firewall
[01:35] <airox> bigbill52a: Strange and many errors you have ...
[01:35] <airox> bigbill52a: What are u using ?
[01:35] <airox> bigbill52a: Kubuntu or ubuntu ?|
[01:35] <bigbill52a> ubuntu
[01:36] <Jonas-> airox thanks, now I can execute the script :)
[01:36] <airox> Jonas-: Check the first line again for the correct statement.
[01:36] <Jonas-> what correct statement?
[01:36] <airox> Jonas-: #!/bin/bash
[01:36] <bigbill52a> ctrl-alt-f keys do not work when it crashes..ctrl-alt-backspace does nothing
[01:36] <airox> bigbill52a: Using ubuntu and KDE ? :S
[01:36] <phanter> hello, how do I remotely restart sshd (so i am using sshd)?
[01:37] <bigbill52a> but the music continue playing
[01:37] <airox> phanter: Just restart it.
[01:37] <bigbill52a> yes
[01:37] <airox> phanter: /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[01:37] <bigbill52a> but i stay on gnome..since it doesnt seem to crash
[01:37] <airox> phanter: sshd does the privilege seperation thingie.
[01:37] <phanter> aha oke.. thanks
[01:37] <bigbill52a> or if it does crash...you can get out of xwindows most of the time
[01:38] <airox> phanter: It spaws another sshd with the user yourself.
[01:38] <airox> phanter: Check it out with ps aux.
[01:38] <tony> Hello people
[01:38] <Jonas-> airox, first line is #!/bin/bash is that wrong?
[01:38] <airox> Jonas-: nope, not afaik.
[01:38] <airox> hi tony
[01:38] <tony> Can anyone give me a nice quick description of why to use Ubuntu over straight debian?
[01:38] <murdok_> please!!!! somebody help me install my sound drivers!!!!!!
[01:38] <tony> Aside from Kubuntu packaging 3.4, unlike the current sarge debain
[01:38] <tony> debian*
[01:39] <stuNNed> murdok_: patience, wise one.
[01:39] <stuNNed> tony: welp, if you want something with a smaller package set geared towards desktop and that will install quickly and have that set for you out of the box, i'd say ubuntu
[01:39] <bigbill52a> if you use the ubuntu unofficial guide ..you can get most multimedia working....
[01:40] <tony> Is there anything specific ubuntu handles nicer? better security model, etc?
[01:40] <bigbill52a> that is why i like ubuntu and the unofficial guide....just copy and paste
[01:40] <Keizer> Sup guys
[01:40] <IFRFLYR> bigbill52a: try xfce4
[01:40] <Keizer> I'm trying to mount my USB thumb drive
[01:40] <Keizer> What's the FS type for a usb thumb drive?
[01:40] <bigbill52a> tried it...gnome is still the most stable
[01:40] <airox> tony: It's easier to install I guess.
[01:40] <tony> Hm, alright. Thanks.
[01:41] <bigbill52a> and multimedia works like real player
[01:41] <murdok_> stunned can you help me man?i just want to install my sound drivers..
[01:41] <airox> And has a nice 6 months release schedule.
[01:41] <Keizer> >_<
[01:41] <JDahl> Keizer, it can have any FS, just like any other drive
[01:41] <stuNNed> murdok_: what type soundcard?
[01:41] <murdok_> SiS
[01:41] <tony> My 200gb FreeBSD drive just blew up, and I was looking for something more debian-ish. Thanks.
[01:41] <nalioth> murdok_: why dont you use apt-get?
[01:41] <murdok_> the drivers are in a tar file
[01:41] <krg> Heh.
[01:41] <cody> anyone know a plugin to play .wmv files on ubuntu??????????????
[01:41] <airox> tony: You won't be dissapointed ;)
[01:41] <krg> Why are you looking for something more debianish?
[01:41] <airox> tony: I have gone from debian to ubuntu and liked it.
[01:42] <bigbill52a> stuff works
[01:42] <tony> I've mostly been using knoppix for the last few days, it was a physical explosion on my 200.. Needed something ot run on my 8gb
[01:42] <airox> cody: w32codecs. There is some piece of information on ubuntuguide.org.
[01:42] <stuNNed> airox: hmm you know if marillat is mentioned at the ubuntuguide.org?
[01:42] <airox> tony: Sounds dangerous :)
[01:42] <tony> The only specific thing I've heard of being great about Ubuntu is the community, but hm
[01:42] <tony> I'll go for it
[01:42] <bigbill52a> yes
[01:42] <airox> stuNNed: Yes, it's mentioned.
[01:42] <tony> I can already see the rumors were right
[01:43] <Jonas-> How do I create a new user login from commandline?
[01:43] <airox> Jonas-: Using adduser.
[01:43] <tony> adduser <3
[01:43] <Jonas-> thx
[01:43] <tony> 'man adduser' for details, as always
[01:43] <stuNNed> airox: ah ok thanks, cuz the restrictedformats guide on the wiki now mentions backports instead of marillat
[01:43] <Keizer> JDahl, How can I find out?
[01:43] <Razor-X> hah, another person converted to Linux
[01:43] <bigbill52a> it is included in the sources.list that the unofficial guide recommends
[01:43] <hey2k5> guys, if I do 'apt-get dist-upgrade, I would go from Warty to Hoary?
[01:44] <airox> hey2k5: Did you altered the sources.list ?
[01:44] <stuNNed> hey2k5: if you change your repo's to point to 'hoary' yes
[01:44] <bigbill52a> yes
[01:44] <bigbill52a> to what they recommended...
[01:44] <hey2k5> oh yea, gotta do the change...
[01:44] <JDahl> Keizer, you can use set fs type to auto in /etc/fstab, or use fdisk to check the type
[01:44] <tony> Hm. Weird question. Is there any way to install handler for BSD binarys under a Debian install? BSD allows linux bins when insatlled, but any way to reverse it?
[01:45] <Keizer> I got it
[01:45] <airox> When I'm doing /usr/share/lufs/prepmod for the use of captive-ntfs it complains about that it cannot find the correct kernel sources.
[01:45] <bigbill52a> and all my multimedia and ati drivers work for the first time in any linux distro
[01:45] <airox> I'm running 2.6.10-5-k7.
[01:45] <LinuxJones> bigbill52a, sweet :)
[01:45] <bigbill52a> same here
[01:45] <airox> installed the kernel-headers for this kernel and installed 2.6.10 source
[01:46] <airox> What could be the problem guys ?
[01:46] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[01:46] <goofrider> airox, doesn't lufs requires a kernel module?
[01:46] <jamesio> argh.
[01:46] <airox> goofrider: Yes.
[01:46] <jamesio> for the life of me, I can't find any information on why vlc won't play sound
[01:46] <airox> goofrider: That's the one I'm building afaik.
[01:46] <LinuxJones> airox, did you add the linux softlink to the kernel source ?
[01:46] <airox> There is lufs.ko
[01:46] <tony> LET'S all just #rm -rf /, and install FreeBSD, kthx <3
[01:46] <goofrider> airox, and u compiled and installed it using module-assistant?
[01:47] <airox> goofrider: Nope.
[01:47] <black_Nightmare> tony :p
[01:47] <airox> goofrider: apt-get'ing module-assistant now.
[01:47] <hey2k5> ok so one more question, it would be safe to do a 'apt-get dist-upgrade' right? I just installed warty (had old cd) now want to upgrade.
[01:47] <bigbill52a> i love pan newsreader...i wish that they had a windows version
[01:47] <airox> LinuxJones: You mean /usr/src/linux ?
[01:47] <[freebsd> FreeBSD! LET MY PEOPLE GOOOO!
[01:47] <goofrider> airox, module-assistant is the helper program to compile and install kernel modules in Debian/Ubuntu
[01:47] <LinuxJones> airox, yeah
[01:48] <[freebsd> BigBill, why do you want a Win version of it.
[01:48] <nalioth> bigbill52a: there is a windows version of pan
[01:48] <bigbill52a> sometimes i have to print and cant print in linux
[01:48] <goofrider> airox, module-assitant will tell u the headers u need to download (if any) and build the module, make a DEB, and install it with dpkg
[01:48] <[freebsd> Windwos printer?
[01:48] <bigbill52a> where do i get it?
[01:48] <goofrider> IIRC
[01:48] <nalioth> bigbill52a: you get it at the same place you get the linux ver
[01:48] <airox> goofrider: Great program.
[01:48] <bigbill52a> or use my cams
[01:49] <goofrider> hey2k5, u should do apt-get update, apt-get upgrad ;apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:49] <[freebsd> Oh.. Question. trying to nab a printer via SMB, on the host TROLLCASTLE, and the printer name is something along the lines of the model.. It attempts to grab it, says everything ran ok, and yet I get no printer response. Ideas?
[01:49] <zxc> is there any way to make a launcher to shutdown/ lock screen?
[01:49] <hey2k5> ok
[01:49] <Tezkah> yep
[01:49] <goofrider> airox, the cmd to run module-assistant is `m-a a-i <module-name>`
[01:50] <reisio> zxc: but of course
[01:50] <zxc> reisio: how :P
[01:50] <bigbill52a> but i really can not stand the antiseptic and boring windows environment...
[01:50] <reisio> zxc: clusty.com
[01:50] <goofrider> airox, short for `module-assistant auto-install <modname>`.  have fun.
[01:50] <nalioth> bigbill52a: the link to the win32 pan, also leads you to gtk for windows
[01:50] <airox> goofrider: Yep, got it installed.
[01:50] <[freebsd> Oh.. Question. trying to nab a printer via SMB, on the host TROLLCASTLE, and the printer name is something along the lines of the model.. It attempts to grab it, says everything ran ok, and yet I get no printer response. Ideas?
[01:50] <jamesio> sorsis, anyone know a bit about vlc?
[01:50] <nalioth> bigbill52a: so its really not that different in appearance from the linux ver
[01:50] <bigbill52a> i give out the live cd so that my customers can play the games..lol
[01:51] <Razor-X> jamesio: I do
[01:51] <bigbill52a> and maybe win a few more converts...
[01:51] <reisio> bigbill52a: boring?
[01:51] <goofrider> [freebsd, have use set the permission of /var/sppol/samba correctly?
[01:51] <zxc> ok rephrase question: how do I shutdown using terminal
[01:51] <bigbill52a> windows xp bores me
[01:51] <X7C> !
[01:51] <Razor-X> zxc: some variation of the 'shutdown' command
[01:51] <Octane> i made a boot partition on hda1 and then i tell ubuntu to install grub to it
[01:51] <Octane> and then when i boot grub says error
[01:51] <nalioth> zxc "shutdown -h now"
[01:51] <Octane> anyon eknow what i did wrong
[01:51] <goofrider> [freebsd, make sure /var/spool/samba is 777
[01:52] <airox> goofrider: It complains about unknown symbol in module.
[01:52] <[freebsd> mk
[01:52] <[freebsd> Thank you
[01:52] <reisio> zxc: that's a bad idea to do from inside GNOME
[01:52] <jamesio> Razor-X, standard installation of vlc, but no sound at all.  the alsa parts are installed...
[01:52] <[freebsd> Will do.
[01:52] <Razor-X> Octane: GRUB should be on the MBR of HDA
[01:52] <Razor-X> jamesio: are you getting sound without VLC?
[01:52] <goofrider> airox, u'r using the lufs-source package right?
[01:52] <Octane> Razor-X ahh okay
[01:52] <jamesio> Razor-X, yup.  sound works great in every program except for vlc
[01:52] <wasabi> Has anybody received their shipit cds?
[01:52] <airox> goofrider: I did it all with module-assistant.
[01:52] <airox> wasabi: Yes.
[01:52] <bigbill52a> you can install windows on sata drive and ubuntu on ide drive without any interaction between them at boot time
[01:52] <Razor-X> jamesio: try a reinstall
[01:53] <goofrider> airox, lufs-utils package is the binary userland utils
[01:53] <bigbill52a> just figured out how to do it on my puter
[01:53] <Razor-X> I can't wait to get a Trackman Wheel today....
[01:53] <goofrider> airox, "lufs-source" package is the module source
[01:53] <[freebsd> lol.. I'm on my Windows box to burn an iso, only comp in house with a burner. [/me ssh's to my other comp and sets permissions] 
[01:53] <jamesio> Razor-X, it's worth a shot.  that's about the only thing I haven't done
[01:53] <Octane> Razor-X so should i do 512 swap, home and root manualkly
[01:53] <zxc> reisio: google to find a good way? :\
[01:53] <Razor-X> bigbill52a: or, you can just hide the partitions/drives from each other in GRUB
[01:53] <goofrider> airox, and if the module source is there, m-a should download all the required headers for u
[01:54] <Razor-X> Octane: nope, let the installer handle it all the way
[01:54] <bigbill52a> dont want linux or windows messing with the boot of the other...
[01:54] <airox> goofrider: So I can better delete all the apt-get'ed headers ?
[01:54] <Razor-X> don't change anything GRUBwise
[01:54] <Octane> is that right
[01:54] <airox> goofrider: Just to be sure.
[01:54] <goofrider> airox, u can leave them thre, it doesn't break anytging
[01:54] <bigbill52a> had too many bad experiences
[01:54] <reisio> zxc: is it so hard to just logout and use  GDM? :)
[01:54] <Razor-X> nothing at all happens in this box, right now i'm in WXP (because my dad could come in the room)
[01:54] <zxc> reisio, nah, just like to try and do stuff...
[01:54] <[freebsd> Under Debian, how do I change my default Display manager from KDM to GDM?
[01:55] <bigbill52a> windows likes to trash other boot loaders
[01:55] <bigbill52a> if you have to reinstall the piece of sh??
[01:55] <reisio> [freebsd: /etc/rc.conf, DISPLAYMANAGER=
[01:55] <[freebsd> Thanks.
[01:55] <Octane> Razor-X but then it doesnt separate root and home
[01:55] <[freebsd> I need to read more on Debian.. I'm a BSD nerd :
[01:55] <[freebsd> :(
[01:56] <jamesio> Razor-X, did a full uninstall and re-installed just vlc... do I need any other pieces for alsa sound?
[01:56] <goofrider> bigbill52a, dpkg-reconfigure kdm or gdm
[01:56] <Razor-X> bigbill52a: that's why you hide the other partition in GRUB, and make sure GRUB is in MBR
[01:56] <TheKark> hey, how come if i say log in and then think crap i didn't want to or wanted to switch users the button for logging out of gnome won't work
[01:56] <goofrider> bigbill52a, dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[01:56] <Razor-X> jamesio: no sure....
[01:56] <airox> goofrider: It all goes without errors so far.
[01:56] <goofrider> bigbill52a, it'll ask u if u wanna use gdm or kdm as the default DM at boot time
[01:56] <cody> anyone know where a "program is that will play .wmv files on ubuntu?
[01:56] <Razor-X> Octane: hmmm, then maybe partition the space out manually, and when it comes to the /etc/fstab, make sure to mount it accordingly
[01:56] <airox> goofrider: But doing sudo modprobe lufs gives those unknown symbol in module errors.
[01:56] <goofrider> airox, good. when it's done, it'll be all installed for u as well.
[01:57] <Razor-X> *not sure
[01:57] <George__> http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/0419-gif.html
[01:57] <goofrider> airox, well, what are the unkown symbols?
[01:58] <airox> goofrider: lufs: Unknown symbol kill_proc_info
[01:58] <airox> let em google for it
[01:58] <Octane> Razor-X: okay thanks a lot man
[01:58] <reisio> cody: mplayer can play wmv
[01:58] <jamesio> Razor-X, same problem ... no sound in vlc
[01:59] <TheKark> anyone here play ogame?
[01:59] <reisio> TheKark: nope - what is it?
[01:59] <goofrider> airox, well, then the lufs-source's package may be broken. time to ask google yourself
[01:59] <TheKark> reisio: some game my friends play and I just started www.ogame.org
[01:59] <goofrider> airox, it's probably some missing dependancy
[01:59] <TheKark> it is pretty good
[02:00] <goofrider> airox, isn't module-assistant gr8 though?  ;)
[02:01] <[freebsd> Mk. So this printer. The Workgroup is K-WAY, host is TROLLCASTLE, and the printer name is 'HP DeskJet 970Cse'.. I chose the DJ 970 driver, default setting, and test/print.. BAM, nothing. /var/spool/samba = 777. Any ideas?
[02:01] <reisio> TheKark: site with no screenshots...dirty
[02:01] <airox> goofrider: It sure is!
[02:02] <goofrider> [freebsd, and are u using the Adobe Postscript driver on the Windows side?
[02:02] <airox> goofrider: Seems like I need to edit 1 line in the kernel sources or something :)
[02:02] <TheKark> reisio: it is a browser game... not like a real game
[02:02] <goofrider> airox, if u need to compile your own custom kernel, make sure u install it using make-kpkg
[02:02] <TheKark> reisio: strategy
[02:02] <airox> goofrider: Yeah, I hope I won't.
[02:02] <goofrider> if u didn't know about it already
[02:03] <reisio> TheKark: ah zzzZZZzz :p sorry
[02:03] <airox> Well normally I compiled kernels without making packages of them.
[02:03] <airox> But that was on debian.
[02:03] <[freebsd> No, not PostScript
[02:04] <airox> Still haven't touched ubuntu kernels.
[02:04] <goofrider> [freebsd, u are sharing using cups over samba, right?
[02:04] <reisio> ubuntu has its own special kernels?
[02:04] <ssam> thekark is it compatible with linux
[02:04] <reisio> TheKark: it's browser-based
[02:04] <airox> Well I guess ubuntu doesn't have it :)
[02:04] <goofrider> [freebsd, with cups over samba, the share printer will always appear as a Postscript printer to everyone on the network
[02:04] <TheKark> yeah what he said
[02:04] <ssam> thekark cool
[02:05] <goofrider> [freebsd, cuz cups has the printer-specific driver to do all the real rendering.
[02:05] <TheKark> nice because it works when you are not playing it, so it doesn't require tons of time
[02:06] <goofrider> [freebsd, download the Adbode Postcript drtiver @ Adobe.com and change the windows printer config to use PS, and u should be all set
[02:06] <goofrider> airox, you're supposed to use make-kpkg when u compile custom kernels on Debian as well
[02:08] <[freebsd> Mk, thanks.
[02:08] <JorisK> Hello everyone, my SOUND is not working, i got a Audigy 2 card.
[02:09] <JorisK> I've noticed an thread in the forums telling i should check the Digital input/output jack, it's turned off but how do i turn it on?
[02:09] <JorisK> I'm talking about alsamixer
[02:09] <JorisK> Anyone?
[02:11] <metalsand> diegocgteleline.es writes "According with Tom's Hardware, HP is working with Ubuntu to offer a customized GNU/Linux version that works 100% - wireless, bluetooth, IrDA, IEEE1394 - with HP hardware. This offer will be restricted to Europe, Middle East and Africa. The CD includes free support through online resources as well as paid support through Canonical, the developer of Ubuntu."
[02:12] <goofrider> metalsand, holy crap
[02:12] <ShadowRage> Q&A tiime
[02:12] <ShadowRage> time*
[02:12] <JorisK> I've noticed an thread in the forums telling i should check the Digital input/output jack, it's turned off but how do i turn it on?
[02:12] <ShadowRage> I got a nvidia geforce mx4000
[02:12] <JorisK> Anyone?
[02:12] <ShadowRage> what driver do I need and how do I reconfigure X?
[02:13] <Gatton> I wonder why they're restricting it to only those countries. Maybe as a test roll out? See what kind of response they get?
[02:13] <cody> where can u download mplayer?
[02:13] <LinuxJones> goofrider, unfortunately they are not pre-installing Ubuntu only sending the install cd :(
[02:14] <metalsand> Cody: Have you tried using apt-get install?
[02:14] <Octane> is it normal for ubuntu base system config to report that there was a problem installing selected software and that one or more packages failed?
[02:14] <transgress> where might i make a suggestion for ubuntu problems... such as the firefox package?
[02:14] <cody> how do u do that im a windows user lol
[02:14] <goofrider> LinuxJones, metalsand and the CD is for HP **notebooks***
[02:14] <goofrider> http://news.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/04/20/1316224&tid=96
[02:14] <transgress> it's not a bug as much as someone not having any foresight
[02:14] <reisio> transgress: what's the problem?
[02:14] <LinuxJones> Octane, do you remember which packages ?
[02:14] <Octane> LinuxJones i havent touched anything yet, this is my second install though in a row, brand new hdd
[02:14] <goofrider> but it's a very good start for but Ubuntu and Linux itself
[02:15] <Octane> both times i got that one or more packages failed
[02:15] <transgress> reisio: the ubuntu firefox package requires gnome support... so if i pull it onto my kubuntu box, it tries to pull in gnome-base and some other gnome crap that i don't want...
[02:15] <reisio> transgress: that's nice - what is it?
[02:15] <reisio> transgress: wow, stupid :p
[02:15] <Gatton> isn't that b/c firefox uses GTK for drawing it's stuff?
[02:15] <transgress> yeah especially since they have a separate ff package that is like mozilla-firefox-gnome-support and it's the same freaking package as mozilla-firefox
[02:15] <transgress> Gatton: gtk doesn't require gnome
[02:16] <Gatton> hmm wonder why it's wanting to pull the gnome stuff then
[02:16] <cody> apt-get install where does this go?
[02:16] <transgress> Gatton: it was just compiled with the gnome support option enabled
[02:16] <Gatton> transgress...got ti thanks
[02:16] <LinuxJones> Octane, do you remember which part the packages, is it after the base install and during the updates section ?
[02:16] <Octane> LinuxJones during updates section
[02:16] <Octane> now im in aptitude
[02:17] <Octane> and the weird thing is, both installs were identical and aptitude is reporting a different size for updates
[02:17] <Octane> first it was 18 megs now its 52 megs
[02:17] <LinuxJones> Octane, it's probably just a broken dependency on hopefully not a very important file
[02:17] <Octane> should i just let aptitude do its thing then?
[02:18] <LinuxJones> Octane, yes
[02:18] <majic> did anyone receive the free 5.04 cd's yet? (just curious)
[02:18] <goofrider> transgress, maybe u should talk to the kubuntu team about having a friefox-qt package
[02:18] <transgress> goofrider: those packages are below alpha
[02:18] <airox> majic: Yes.
[02:18] <LinuxJones> Octane, if it spits out a dozen errors about broken dependencies it's best to wait a day or so till it get's fixed
[02:18] <NoUse> is anyone having problems with the torrent?  It seems like its not working
[02:18] <transgress> goofrider: it's not about making a firefox-qt package... it's about making a firefox package that isn't going to pull in gnome
[02:18] <airox> majic: All my friends also recieved them.
[02:19] <Chamlap`> so I'm going to give Ubuntu a try today on my desktop, what are the best mirrors to get the distro from?
[02:19] <transgress> kubuntu doesn't have it's own repo's
[02:19] <LinuxJones> Octane, I did a re-install after a hard drive failure today and everyting went just fine
[02:19] <majic> airox, nice. I signed up over a month ago. I hope I get mine =)
[02:19] <majic> haha
[02:19] <airox> hehe
[02:19] <majic> airox, how long did it take you to get them?
[02:19] <cody> where do u put this apt-get install?
[02:20] <airox> majic: I ordered them also about a month ago I guess.
[02:20] <Octane> ugh i swear to god, i dont understand ubuntu, i try to run aptitutde and theres a million errors
[02:20] <IcemanV9> Chamlap`: depends on where u from :)
[02:20] <majic> airox, ok
[02:20] <Octane> i have done nothing wrong!!!!!
[02:20] <Chamlap`> US actually
[02:20] <LinuxJones> Octane, post your /etc/apt/sources.lst file to pastebin.ca
[02:20] <Octane> i just do a clean god damn install and i get a million errors
[02:20] <ssam> cody, what do you want to install
[02:20] <Chamlap`> is there a torrent of it?  Is it a live enabled cd? :P
[02:20] <Octane> LinuxJones i cant i dont even have lynx!
[02:20] <goofrider> transgress, I guess it does make sense to refactor the package(s). file a bug report
[02:20] <IcemanV9> Chamlap`: there are list of mirrors on the bottom of page
[02:20] <Octane> give me one sec
[02:21] <Chamlap`> thanks
[02:21] <cody> mplayer
[02:21] <IcemanV9> Chamlap`: yep, there are torrent files; don't know if it is working right now
[02:21] <Octane> LinuxJones the only there is the cdrom
[02:21] <Octane> LinuxJones everyhthing else is commented out
[02:21] <LinuxJones> Octane, is it the hoary cd or warty ?
[02:21] <Octane> hoary
[02:22] <ssam> cody have a look at system -> administration -> synaptic package manager
[02:22] <Octane> kubuntu 5.04
[02:22] <elmaya> any1 has installed smeg 0.5?
[02:22] <goofrider> elmaya, I have. haven't used it though
[02:22] <cody> i dont see mplayer?
[02:22] <Octane> i mean i really want ubuntu but yet every time i have tried to isntall it i get serious problems and i cant continue
[02:23] <LinuxJones> Octane, ok can you comment out the cdrom part and uncomment out the Ubuntu repo, then apt-get update ?
[02:23] <IcemanV9> elmaya: i have installed it and used it. what's up?
[02:23] <goofrider> Octane, why don't u use apt-get or synpatic?
[02:23] <cyphase> what do you think is the best CMS for business sites?
[02:23] <elmaya> how do i run it? IcemanV9
[02:23] <Octane> goofrider i dont even get that far!!! i am in the first time boot when it runs aptitude automatically
[02:23] <LinuxJones> Octane, it sounds like you have a bad cd burn. Are you able to check the md5sum of the ubuntu .iso file ?
[02:23] <goofrider> Octane, just skip it
[02:23] <IcemanV9> elmaya: menu --> system tools --> smeg
[02:23] <ShadowRage> what driver do I need and how do I reconfigure X? (geforce mx4000)
[02:23] <Octane> LinuxJones hmm didnt think of that
[02:24] <Octane> yah i can
[02:24] <goofrider> Octane, all u have to do is apt-get install ubuntu-desktop to install the ENTIRE SYSTEM
[02:24] <[freebsd> With what in sources.list?
[02:24] <LinuxJones> Octane, you shouldn't be getting those errors from files on the cd. You should double check the .iso and re-burn at a lower speed if you can.
[02:24] <elmaya> oh then is not installed
[02:24] <goofrider> Octane, I installed Ubuntu with a bad CD b4. I just let it finish (and installed a broekn system) then I do `apt-get install ubuntu-desktop` and it's fixed
[02:25] <elmaya> IcemanV9, i got this error with the scritp package libgnome-menu0 is already installed and configured
[02:25] <elmaya> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:25] <elmaya>  libgnome-menu0_2.10.1-0ubuntu1+cvs20050425_i386.deb
[02:25] <elmaya>  libgnome-menu0
[02:25] <krazykook>  goofrider hey don't feel bad...it is still broken
[02:25] <airox> goofrider: make-kpkg is also very handy! :)
[02:25] <goofrider> airox, yes it is
[02:25] <Octane> goofrider ooh interesting
[02:25] <krazykook> goofrider: i did manage to get the latest glom with some report features working
[02:25] <goofrider> Octane, so keep going, I'll step u thrugh it if u need help
[02:25] <airox> goofrider: Stupid never to check these things. I did like 16 kernel compiles on my previous debian server without these tools.
[02:25] <krazykook> goofrider: but murray says he aint' going to do no more if he don't get some money
[02:26] <Octane> goofrider thanks i appreciate that, let me just check the md5 out of curiousity
[02:26] <goofrider> airox, well, RTFM is the message  :)
[02:26] <IcemanV9> elmaya: i followed the instruction from http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[02:26] <Octane> one thing i gotta say ubuntu people are a million times nicer than fedora people
[02:26] <airox> goofrider: hehe
[02:26] <IcemanV9> elmaya: it works just fine
[02:26] <airox> goofrider: Sometimes you get tired reading all those manuals :)
[02:26] <darkaudit> Octane: and 10 million times nicer than #debian people ;)
[02:26] <goofrider> Octane, well cuz Fedora is always broken. I'll be upset too if I use Fedora  LOL
[02:27] <krazykook> goofrider: maybe next paycheck i will send murray a little to keep him going...but i can't pay much
[02:27] <LinuxJones> Octane, heh and a billion times nicer than a few Debian people :)
[02:27] <airox> Isn't it like VERY important to stay friendly in a channel ?
[02:27] <elmaya> IcemanV9, ok i'll take a look thanks
[02:27] <jamesio> anybody have any ideas on how to fix vlc sound?  did a re-install and it didn't work.
[02:27] <krazykook> goofrider: because it would be good for everyone to be able to use a free glom
[02:27] <goofrider> krazykook, WTF r u talking about? I think I'm losing u
[02:27] <airox> To many people say RTFM to easily I guess :)
[02:27] <darkaudit> airox: #debian is by far the nastiest linux channel I've ever been in
[02:27] <airox> Just don't say anything at all then ;)
[02:27] <krazykook> goofrider: well murray says he is tired and he aint gonna do no more if he don't get some money
[02:28] <goofrider> whos murray?
[02:28] <elmaya> wow now it works
[02:28] <goofrider> Debian ppl can be rather.. um.. self-absorbed
[02:28] <kingsley_> "rtl8139-diag" reports "Flow control: Tx disabled  Rx disabled" on a new eth1. Could this explain why "ping" fails?
[02:28] <airox> kingsley_: Yes!
[02:29] <IcemanV9> elmaya:  haha. terrific! :)
[02:29] <airox> kingsley_: It's like saying it doesn't send and recieve data :)
[02:29] <airox> Can't be good ;)
[02:29] <cyphase> what do you think is the best CMS for business sites?
[02:29] <Octane> okay iso md5 checks just fine
[02:29] <kingsley_> airox: Do you happen to know how to fix it?
[02:30] <airox> kingsley_: No, sorry. But can't that rtl8139-diag tool do this ?
[02:30] <goofrider> cyphase, that depends on what type of CMS u'r talking about
[02:30] <goofrider> kingsley_, was it working previously?
[02:30] <tsume> CMS, content management system?
[02:30] <goofrider> kingsley_, what does "ifup" say?
[02:30] <kingsley_> goofrider: No, it's a new net.
[02:31] <ShadowRage> what's the command to set up X?
[02:31] <airox> tsume: Yep.
[02:31] <goofrider> ShadowRage, orgconfig
[02:31] <goofrider> ShadowRage, xorgconfig
[02:31] <ShadowRage> k
[02:31] <tritium> ShadowRage, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[02:31] <ShadowRage> k
[02:31] <tritium> don't use xorgconfig please
[02:31] <tsume> cyphase: the best CMS and framework would be Zope, and Plone
[02:31] <transgress> bleh someone has already filled out a ticket for firefox requiring gnome support
[02:31] <goofrider> tritium, yeah u'r right
[02:31] <cyphase> tsume, is plone good
[02:31] <cyphase> tsume, as in easy to use
[02:31] <cyphase> lol
[02:32] <tritium> goofrider, it's cool :)
[02:32] <tsume> cyphase: very
[02:32] <ShadowRage> tritium: I have a nvidia geforce and I want it to work
[02:32] <cyphase> ok, thanx tsume
[02:32] <airox> transgress: Doesn't it have yet ?
[02:32] <goofrider> cyphase, well, apparently u never make a custom product
[02:32] <goofrider> in Plone/Zope
[02:32] <tritium> ShadowRage, okay
[02:32] <airox> transgress: Because there is mozilla-firefox-gnome-support package :S
[02:32] <tsume> goofrider: Zope is my savior :)
[02:32] <kingsley_> goofrider: I don't use "ifup" but if you'd like, I could post eight lines of output from "ifconfig" to "#flood".
[02:32] <goofrider> cyphase, Zope isn't just about easy. It's framework is immensively deep
[02:33] <mpm> anyone have experience setting up a radius server with WEP?  or WPA even?
[02:33] <tritium> ShadowRage, which one?
[02:33] <goofrider> kingsley_, oh I can't commit to that.. I'm horrbiel about ifconfig
[02:33] <Gatton> immensively...cool word lol
[02:33] <tsume> cyphase: http://plone.org/
[02:33] <goofrider> <-- n00b just like everyone else
[02:33] <cyphase> yea, i know
[02:33] <ShadowRage> tritium: geforce 4 mx4000
[02:33] <cyphase> lol
[02:33] <tritium> ShadowRage, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:33] <cyphase> i've researched all the CMSs, i just wanted to get a second opinion
[02:33] <tsume> cyphase: plone is very nice, its built from the zope framework
[02:33] <cyphase> and third and fourth..
[02:33] <cyphase> ;)
[02:34] <cyphase> yea, i know
[02:34] <ShadowRage> tritium: the drivers are installed
[02:34] <goofrider> cyphase, but u never said anything about what u need it for and what CMS r u looking for
[02:34] <tsume> mpm: don't use WEP, use WOA
[02:34] <tritium> ShadowRage, did you run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" after installing them?
[02:34] <tsume> *WPA
[02:35] <cyphase> goofrider, true
[02:35] <cyphase> lol
[02:35] <cyphase> well..
[02:35] <Absenth> I have a linux challenge for you all to help me solve :)
[02:35] <ShadowRage> tritium: it isnt in the pc yet
[02:35] <mpm> tsume I'd like to use WPA; I was confused by the threads I found; you have any pointers?
[02:35] <IcemanV9> kingsley_: try system --> administration --> networking; to see if it does help u
[02:35] <ShadowRage> tritium: I'm prepping stuff
[02:35] <ShadowRage> tritium:
[02:35] <benjamindees> what apps does Ubuntu include for digital photography?
[02:36] <Tezkah> gimp?
[02:36] <Chamlap`> so it seems like ubuntu us getting quite popular, how'd that happpen?  I know speaking for myself I JUST heard about it
[02:36] <tsume> mpm: make the key in WPA very long and randomised
[02:36] <Tezkah> word of mouth
[02:36] <transgress> airox: i know... they are the same package... it sucks when you use kubuntu and can't pull ff w/o pulling in half of gnome
[02:36] <tritium> ShadowRage, I hope you're using ubuntu packages, and not the driver off nvidia's website...
[02:36] <goofrider> gimp is in universe i think
[02:36] <benjamindees> Tezkah, gimp 2.x ?
[02:36] <Absenth> I have a laptop, no cd-rom, no floppy drive, no onboard nic (which means no net boot)  How do I get an operating system other then windows 9x installed on it?
[02:36] <kanuha> Is there a modern webcam that ubuntu/kubuntu supports out of the box?
[02:36] <tsume> mpm: use apg to generate non-pronouncable keys
[02:36] <ShadowRage> tritium: of course
[02:36] <LinuxJones> Absenth, the anticipation is killing me :)
[02:36] <goofrider> oh gimp is in main, never mind
[02:36] <ShadowRage> tritium: if in doubt, check the package db first is my thing
[02:36] <mpm> tsume: I can make the key; it's not knowing how to use iwconfig or whatever to connect to it
[02:36] <tritium> ShadowRage, glad to hear that
[02:36] <tsume> kanuha: look at gcam or whatever its called
[02:37] <cyphase> i need it for a business site. Its a tech business, and needs a simple, clean, attractive interface. and it should be easy to administer
[02:37] <_nate> anyone know how to get around a ban on an irc channel?
[02:37] <Tezkah> yep, the gimp is good for photo editing
[02:37] <cyphase> lol
[02:37] <goofrider> Absenth, use loadin
[02:37] <tsume> mpm: oh, the clients?
[02:37] <LinuxJones> Absenth, usb pen drive ?
[02:37] <goofrider> Absenth, use loadlin
[02:37] <airox> _nate: not.
[02:37] <tsume> mpm: some client cards need a patch or a hack to work with WPA
[02:37] <benjamindees> well I spent a day last week having a web designer tell me how bad he thought GIMP was... is the new interface better?
[02:37] <Absenth> LinuxJones, won't boot to usb, or I'd have slapped a cdrom on it :).
[02:37] <_nate> airox: someone hijacked our channel and is trying to hold it ransom
[02:37] <krg> How do I prevent X from starting for a single boot?
[02:37] <Absenth> goofrider, loadlin?
[02:37] <_nate> airox: does it ban by ip?
[02:37] <goofrider> Absenth, if u have a usb key drive that's 600MB then yeah
[02:37] <Octane> LinuxJones i dont have any blank cds so i think im gonna follow goofrider's advice
[02:37] <LinuxJones> Absenth, argh
[02:37] <airox> _nate: depends on how the ban is set.
[02:37] <Octane> and do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:38] <mpm> tsume:  I'm using ndiswrapper; I'm pretty sure the card supports WPA is it the "iwconfig" tool you use to set it?
[02:38] <airox> _nate: It could ban by ip, yes.
[02:38] <LinuxJones> Octane, that should work ok :)
[02:38] <Octane> which repos should i uncomment
[02:38] <_nate> airox: what other things could it ban by?
[02:38] <kanuha> tsume: not looking for an app, looking at hardware, thx though
[02:38] <tsume> benjamindees: I'm sorry, but you are misinformed. A experienced gimper will work the gimp interface as fast as an idiot on photoshop
[02:38] <goofrider> Absenth, u can use loadin to load a minimal linux kernel, then mount your ISO file using loopback
[02:38] <goofrider> loadlin***
[02:38] <airox> _nate: username, ident, parts of your rdns
[02:38] <LinuxJones> Octane, the one with main restricted and universe
[02:38] <tsume> kanuha: no, you are wanting to know the software too
[02:38] <_nate> airox: i see
[02:38] <LinuxJones> Octane, sorry and the univerce ONE :)
[02:38] <tsume> kanuha: if the gcam supports it, then it will most likely be plug and play
[02:39] <tsume> it might be gcam, its a weird name.
[02:39] <Chambers`> does ubuntu have a usenet download program?  Similar to windws newsleecher?
[02:39] <Octane> LinuxJones lol thats all of them
[02:39] <BrettMeister> I'm installing 5.04 as the other OS on my Gateway laptop.  I've tried all kinds of ways to figure out the screen resolution.  Best I can tell its 100.3 horiz and 100.3 vert.
[02:39] <goofrider> Absenth, loadlin is a DOX/Win9x program to boot a linux kernel
[02:39] <tsume> Chambers`: pan2?
[02:39] <LinuxJones> Octane, make sure it's the 'deb' and not 'deb-src' lines
[02:39] <ShadowRage> gqradio needs to be added to the repository
[02:39] <BrettMeister> What do I do with that when I'm adjusting in the xorg.conf file?
[02:39] <Chambers`> pan2 will decode yenc files?
[02:40] <tritium> Chambers`, apt-cache search usenet
[02:40] <kanuha> tsume: I think gcam is the name, I had it installed before but it did not recognize my current cam.
[02:40] <BrettMeister> Doesn't give a range like on most documentation.
[02:40] <tsume> hmm, Think so.. do you need gui or command line?
[02:40] <Chambers`> thanks
[02:40] <tritium> It's not a terribly long list to look through
[02:40] <Absenth> goofrider fantastic, thanks man.  Off to JFGI loadlin.
[02:40] <tsume> kanuha: look in the supported devices for it.
[02:40] <Tezkah> so right now I'm using KDE, with the gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, and when I boot into GNOME, it looks like this is still in effect (I'm using KDE right now)
[02:40] <krazykook> but there is one thing about glom and that it has a creative commons license to allow commercial use
[02:40] <darkaudit> tsume: pan... 2? I have pan and it's great, but pan2?
[02:40] <LinuxJones> Octane, you only need one if you want to add 'universe' after restricted , oh yeah and you need the security one as well :D
[02:40] <Absenth> now, can someone recomend a linux for a P2-266mhz with a whopping 64mb of ram?
[02:40] <Tezkah> Absenth: BeOS
[02:40] <LinuxJones> Absenth, damn small linux
[02:41] <Tezkah> oh wait...
[02:41] <goofrider> Absenth, damn small?
[02:41] <krazykook> but the problem is that we have to use gnu tools to compile it...so we are bound by gnu not creative commons
[02:41] <PeskyGee> what audio application shows the album cover of the songs you are playing in Gnome???
[02:41] <Chambers`> whats ppan's homepage?
[02:41] <darkaudit> pan.rebelbase.com
[02:41] <Absenth> heh BeOS is pretty cool actually :)
[02:41] <Chambers`> nm
[02:41] <krazykook> they can't just change the license when that license conflicts with automatic other licenses
[02:41] <Chambers`> oh..thanks :P
[02:41] <PeskyGee> I like Be  :-)
[02:41] <Absenth> alright, DamnSmall it is.  Thanks for the help guys.
[02:41] <krazykook> the same with postgres
[02:42] <PeskyGee> but it needs updates bad. Zeta is looking pretty good
[02:42] <Chambers`> so will ubuntu let me watch dvd's?
[02:42] <krazykook> they say a bsd type license...but we have to compile it and therefore we have to use a gnu license
[02:42] <BrettMeister> tritium: Hi there.
[02:42] <tsume> darkaudit: I think pan2 is 0.14.x
[02:42] <krazykook> these crazy people can't just put whatever license they want
[02:42] <krg> Heh.
[02:42] <IcemanV9> Chambers`: sure you can
[02:42] <krg> Hm.
[02:42] <Chambers`> dvd's that aren't decrypted
[02:42] <ssam> peskygee muine
[02:42] <tsume> darkaudit: it uses gtk2.. I think its where the 2 comes from.
[02:42] <krg> This "X keeps respawning" thing is kinda harshing my mellow.
[02:43] <PeskyGee> yes thats it thanks
[02:43] <Chambers`> cause i installed suse and i couldn't play them without jumping through hoops
[02:43] <PeskyGee> is that in the repo?
[02:43] <IcemanV9> Chambers`: just drop in DVD and it will mount automatically
[02:43] <Chambers`> movies?
[02:43] <LinuxJones> Chambers`, yeah you need to install a codec probably though
[02:43] <IcemanV9> Chambers`: dunno about decrypted part
[02:43] <Chambers`> doh!
[02:43] <goofrider> Chambers`, http://ubuntuguide.org.
[02:43] <goofrider> and read the DVD sectin
[02:43] <Chambers`> i shall find out :)
[02:43] <goofrider> section
[02:43] <darkaudit> tsume: ok... the ubuntu version is the last one before they went on extended hiatus... just recently started work on it again
[02:44] <krazykook> i don't think these people understand the first thing about licenses
[02:44] <Octane> now when i try to apt-get update i get "method gpgv has died unexpectedly!"
[02:44] <LinuxJones> krazykook, what are you talking about ?
[02:44] <Chambers`> nice!  Thanks
[02:44] <krazykook> if we use gnu tools to compile or run the code then the license that applies is gnu...not bsd...not creative commons...not mpl...not whatever else
[02:44] <goofrider> Octane, check for broken packages first
[02:45] <krazykook> these people think they can make up any license they want
[02:45] <darkaudit> krazykook: you're a debian-legal regular, aren't you? :)
[02:45] <goofrider> Octane, "apt-get check"
[02:46] <airox> They should make a progress bar for kernel compiles ...
[02:46] <airox> ;)
[02:46] <goofrider> Octane, if GPG is broken, then just disable packaging signature verification for now for the upgrade
[02:46] <Octane> I did with the -f flag
[02:46] <krazykook> well i personally don't care...but it is just utter nonsense to have these conflicting license terms
[02:46] <metalsand> Anyone know of the package that allows you to edit gnome panels?
[02:47] <krazykook> you can't compile something on gnu and use it as a bsd license
[02:47] <airox> Anyone ever compiled a ubuntu kernel and could tell me a bit on the time it would take ?
[02:47] <goofrider> Octane, u still have to check for broken packages first
[02:47] <PeskyGee> I must say guys, I was never much of a gnome fan but I just installed Ubuntu about a hour ago and man!! everything is just working. I'm very impressed and like it very much  :-)
[02:47] <IcemanV9> metalsand: right-click on the panel
[02:47] <carthik> krazykook, so using the gcc, for example requires that you use the gpl license for whatever you compiled - is that right?
[02:47] <metalsand> IcemanV9: No.
[02:47] <krazykook> carthik: well typically you are linking against some gnu libs...so yes you are bound to a gnu license
[02:47] <metalsand> IcemanV9: The program that allows more rhobust options for editing.
[02:48] <goofrider> Octane, there'll be some problems since u installed a broken system, but most of the issues are very easily fixed.
[02:48] <darkaudit> airox: depends on how fast your system is... 20 min or so on a 2.5GHz P4 was about avg for me
[02:48] <IcemanV9> metalsand: ah. not that i know of.
[02:48] <Octane> goofrider i get about a dozen dependency problems
[02:48] <airox> darkaudit: amd 2600+ over here
[02:48] <PeskyGee> only thing I would like to do is cut out some of the stuff that loads at boot. LVM I don't need and such
[02:48] <krazykook> carthik: but these people just don't seem to understand....postgres thinks it can use a bsd type license....mozilla thinks it can use a mpl....glom thinks it can use a creative commons....and so on
[02:48] <Absenth> I don't suppose anyone here is a Blackberry user?
[02:48] <darkaudit> airox: prob about the same, then
[02:48] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Yea.  I installed ubuntu 5.04 just a few weeks ago and have had the same experience.
[02:48] <airox> :)
[02:49] <Octane> couldcould stat source package list
[02:49] <goofrider> Octane, any of them are critical packages? like glibc?  LOL
[02:49] <Octane> nono
[02:49] <Octane> x related
[02:49] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: I must say, its great
[02:49] <Octane> and openoffice
[02:49] <krazykook> carthik: you cannot do this...because once you are bound to a gnu license you can't simulateously be bound by another license that conflicts
[02:49] <goofrider> Octane, and dpkg is fine?
[02:49] <Octane> (this is kubuntu 5.04 were talkinga bout here)
[02:49] <goofrider> Octane, I wonder why GPG failed
[02:49] <krazykook> but these people just don't seem to understand
[02:49] <darkaudit> airox: I was also making an initrd, too... per http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php
[02:50] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: after F!@#ing with a billion other distros, I think I may have found my niche
[02:50] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: They have done the same thing as Fedora in having an automatic update thing, only theirs works better.  I worked with Fedora Core 3 for a while.
[02:50] <goofrider> Octane, just disable GPG verifcation in apt for now (i forgot the steps though so u may have to ask google)
[02:50] <carthik> krazykook, a good start would be to try and enforce licenses by monitoring violations, or making the terms clearer :)
[02:50] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: yeah I tried Fedora but I'm sorry I just hate RPM's
[02:51] <krazykook> carthik: oh screw it ...i don't give a damn...it is so messed up
[02:51] <goofrider> Octane, it can't stat package list because u didn't download any (cuz apt-get update failed). That error will disappear after a successful apt-get update
[02:51] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Well...I didn't mind rpms, etc.  I just think that this system here works better.
[02:51] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: Right now I'm currently playing with this one, SuSE and Mepis. and so far Ubuntu wins for sure
[02:51] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: And...I'm appreciating the newest gnome better than when I started.
[02:51] <krg> 16:49:16 < krazykook> carthik: you cannot do this...because once you are bound to a gnu license you can't simulateously be bound by another license that conflicts
[02:51] <krg> Uh.
[02:51] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: agreed
[02:52] <krg> The copyright owner can give you a different license.
[02:52] <krazykook> krg: no they can't becuase you have to use gnu material to compile and use the code
[02:52] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: I'm replacing Mepis with Ubu 5.04 on my laptop right now.
[02:52] <krg> Like if Company A released Product A under the GPL, they could give me a different license to it.
[02:52] <LinuxJones> krazykook, bsd licences are gpl compatible or have I missed something ?
[02:52] <krg> They couldn't give me a different license to code to which they do not have copyright.
[02:52] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: What did you think about Suse?
[02:52] <krazykook> LinuxJones: well hell i just don't know
[02:53] <krg> But they can give me a different license to any code to which they own the copyright.
[02:53] <goofrider> krazykook, please read the GPL faq
[02:53] <airox> Installing KDE on ubuntu wasn't hard was it ?
[02:53] <goofrider> krazykook, that's was a bunch of FUD
[02:53] <goofrider> and off-topic
[02:53] <airox> So I have Gnome and KDE, is it possible ?
[02:53] <krazykook> goofrider: no...i don't think GNU has changed..if you link against any of their c libraries...i think you are automatically bound to follow a gnu license
[02:54] <goofrider> airox, possible to....?
[02:54] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: its not bad at all except for the RPM hell with the fact that no MP3 support and DVD Supp out of the box. and man a hell of a time getting it to work. BUt after that, responsive and clean  :-)
[02:54] <darkaudit> airox: I have GNOME, KDE, blackbox, fluxbox, and XFCE (so, yes) :)
[02:54] <airox> darkaudit: hehehe
[02:54] <airox> darkaudit: Ok! :)
[02:54] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: lol
[02:54] <goofrider> krazykook, no you are not. You're just voilating the license
[02:54] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: but this puts it to shame
[02:54] <krazykook> goofrider: that is the point
[02:54] <goofrider> krazykook, which means either u re-relicense in GPL, stop linking, or go to court
[02:55] <goofrider> krazykook, that's not AUTOMATIC
[02:55] <LinuxJones> krazykook, nobody is forcing you to use gpl'd code.
[02:55] <krg> You don't need to link against glib.
[02:55] <nalioth> airox: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:55] <nalioth> airox: and have fun
[02:55] <krg> In order to have something under GPL.
[02:55] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Do you happen to know something about changing the screen resolution from within the xorg.conf file?  I have done it successfully on this machine; but, I think that it'll be harder on my laptop.
[02:55] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: and I like that its Debian based
[02:55] <krazykook> LinuxJones: i like using gnu code....i am just saying these other people can't impose other licenses if we are compiling their code on gnu
[02:55] <airox> nalioth: Thanks!
[02:55] <goofrider> you have to RE-LICENSE your code in GPL (to comply with GPL) if u link to GPL libs. It's not automatic. YOU have to do it EXPLICITLY
[02:55] <LinuxJones> krazykook, what other people ?
[02:56] <krazykook> LinuxJones: people like Mozilla, postgress, glom, etc
[02:56] <goofrider> krazykook, compiling isn't lining
[02:56] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: just get your modelines and specs for you monitor and edit it manually. thats the best way. On what system?
[02:56] <Juhaz> glibc is LGPL, not GPL
[02:56] <goofrider> krazykook, and core gnu libs like glibc are LGPL not GPL
[02:57] <goofrider> krazykook, so RTFM, read the GPL faq, and leave us alone
[02:57] <goofrider> krazykook, u r VERY misinformed
[02:57] <krazykook> goofrider: whatever
[02:57] <jm^> Hi. Is there a "package" for rar/unrar?
[02:57] <LinuxJones> ok guys time to change topics :)
[02:57] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Well, that's the deal.  This laptop is some Gateway crap that I still need to use for a while yet.  The best that I can get on info is that the horiz and vert are both 100.3.  So...what kind of a range would I set in the .config file?
[02:58] <darkaudit> jm^: unrar-nonfree
[02:58] <BrettMeister> Anyone can answer that if you want.  I would welcome it.
[02:58] <jm^> darkaudit: hmm. I did "apt-cache search rar" and it showed me lots of stuff, but not that
[02:59] <mpt> Does uninstalling "ubuntu-desktop" do anything major?
[02:59] <darkaudit> jm^: it's in multiverse
[02:59] <goofrider> mpt it's a metapackage
[02:59] <mpt> goofrider: What does that mean?
[02:59] <LinuxJones> mpt, it will install about 300 megs of desktop stuff is all :)
[02:59] <jm^> darkaudit: what does that mean?
[02:59] <goofrider> mpt, Ubuntu-desktop install all the Ubuntu base packages
[02:59] <jm^> lol!
[02:59] <darkaudit> BrettMeister: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should find the values automagically
[02:59] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: I would google for the exact specs on that (if you haven't yet) and then there is a modeline generator tool online that will get your specs with that info and you will be good to go
[02:59] <mpt> LinuxJones: *Uninstalling* it will install about 300 MB of stuff?
[03:00] <darkaudit> jm^: in your sources.list, in the lines there it has the universe repository listed, add multiverse
[03:00] <Thirsteh> mpt, uninstalling it won't do anyhting, installing it will install alot of packages, it's like a reference to packages
[03:00] <BrettMeister> Thanks.
[03:00] <LinuxJones> mpt, oops sorry I misread, not it will not do anything major :)
[03:00] <mpt> goofrider: I want to uninstall xpdf, and Synaptic wants to uninstall ubuntu-desktop too
[03:00] <goofrider> mpt, installing it will install Gnome, Firefox, Evolution, etc
[03:00] <darkaudit> BrettMeister: I ran that when I installed a new desktop monitor, and it got the values spot on right away :)
[03:00] <goofrider> mpt, but uninstalling it won't actually remove any sofware at all
[03:00] <mpt> thanks Thirsteh
[03:01] <tsume> now now, lets be easy to people and licensing arguments. krazykook is just having a few newbie farts.
[03:01] <BrettMeister> darkaudit: Anything tricky about that?  just use the command line as you gave it to me?
[03:01] <darkaudit> BrettMeister: add a sudo before dpkg-reconfigure, but yeah...
[03:02] <jerub> is the mac G5 supported by ubuntu?
[03:02] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: I have a DVI LCD and SuSE puked big time with the modelines and had to do it manually but Ubuntu got it out of the box. I don't think you will have a problem
[03:02] <BrettMeister> Well guys, as we speak I AM having probs.
[03:02] <darkaudit> BrettMeister: you'll probably want to keep most values at their defaults unless you really know what they are. Most times there's no need to input anything beyond <enter> for each screen
[03:02] <jerub> the bootloaded suggests that it's supported on the live cd via linux-power4 lilo config, but that doesn't work for me.
[03:03] <jm^> darkaudit: ok, I added this:
[03:03] <jm^> deb http://.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[03:03] <jm^> deb-src http://.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[03:03] <goofrider> tsume, it's not an arguement. He had none, he had the same FUD that's debinked 5 years ago. and this is not the channel for it
[03:03] <jm^> Would it be a bad idea to att "universe"?
[03:03] <BrettMeister> The install stoped and asked me if I wanted to look at the xserver output.  What now?
[03:03] <Carlfk> goofrider, - i ph33r you
[03:03] <Carlfk> wtf...
[03:03] <darkaudit> jm^: pretty much... but you could also have just added multiverse immediately after wherever it said universe
[03:04] <goofrider> Carlfk, y r u always picking on me?
[03:04] <Carlfk> this doesnt play, it just sits untill i hit ^C: $ aplay /usr/share/hwdb-client/sound.wav
[03:04] <BrettMeister> Okay...it's offering to disable the xserver until I get it configured correctly.  What now?
[03:04] <Carlfk> but itdid play when I did the "ubuntu hardware database" thing
[03:04] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: sure disable and then vi into the file and check it out
[03:04] <darkaudit> jm^: universe is IMO near-essential :)
[03:05] <Carlfk> and I do hear the "thump" when I open new apps
[03:05] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: vi?
[03:05] <jm^> Hm, I should do something like http://region.achive.ubuntu.com/... right?
[03:05] <Carlfk> jm^, yes.
[03:05] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: ooh ok, you gotta let me know how much you know
[03:05] <Tezkah> nooooo anything but vi
[03:06] <jm^> Is it countrycode.archive.?
[03:06] <darkaudit> jm^: the stock sources.list has lines for universe all set to go... they're just commented out
[03:06] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: better yet nano the file
[03:06] <jm^> darkaudit: yes, but I still need to edit the url, right?
[03:06] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Yes, I have most experience with that.
[03:06] <darkaudit> jm^: no... you should be fine
[03:06] <PeskyGee> nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:06] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Not sure that I have ever used the other.
[03:06] <Carlfk> jm^, for me it is us.archive... so maybe ;)
[03:07] <darkaudit> just uncomment the appropriate lines, add multiverse to the end, and update
[03:07] <nalioth> jm^: yes unrar-nonfree
[03:07] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[03:07] <nalioth> jm^ you can also go and get a precompiled rar binary from rarlabs.com
[03:07] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and get in there and adjust your monitor specs
[03:07] <jm^> Now it's working - made it http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/../
[03:07] <jm^> Thanks everyone :)
[03:07] <darkaudit> jm^: np :)
[03:07] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: I'm in now.
[03:07] <nalioth> jerub it's supported
[03:07] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: the cat must have relaxed its jaws.. ..
[03:08] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: why?
[03:08] <darkaudit> goofrider: you should have seen KK's rants re: wine the other day...
[03:08] <goofrider> what did he say?
[03:08] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: "Look what the cat dragged in."
[03:08] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: heh
[03:08] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: ok then your horiz and vert is the part you really need to get right. Also what video card you got?
[03:08] <hybrid_goth> :D
[03:08] <darkaudit> goofrider: that it was a conspiracy to stal GPL code for Microsoft
[03:09] <darkaudit> s/stal/steal
[03:09] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: On the "Monitor" part there is no horiz or vert listed.  But when I add it, what should I put?
[03:09] <goofrider> darkaudit, HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA
[03:09] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: you can comment out eg: # any modeline infor for now if its there
[03:09] <goofrider> darkaudit, why would anyone need to STEAL GPL code? It's alll open source!!!!
[03:09] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: what is this system you are using?
[03:09] <airox> Still discussing licenses ?
[03:10] <airox> boring
[03:10] <airox> ;)
[03:10] <krazykook> goofrider: this is what i see...and this is the way it seems like it has always been..consistently and honestly
[03:10] <krazykook>  The GPL does not require you to release your modified version.  You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them.  This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization.  But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the mo
[03:10] <darkaudit> goofrider: I dunno... I think he's been reading the debian-legal list for *waaaay* too long :)
[03:10] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: It's reading the card and the depth correctly.  The documentation from Gateway is just skimpy on horiz and vert.  When I looked it up on my screen in Windows it said that horiz was 100.3 and vert was 100.3.
[03:10] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: Its a Gateway Laptop but what kind?
[03:10] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: 400VTX
[03:10] <goofrider> krazykook, http://fsf.org/
[03:10] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: that can't be right
[03:11] <PeskyGee> ok hold on
[03:11] <goofrider> read the damn faq
[03:11] <krazykook> i did...i just posted it
[03:11] <goofrider> call RMS and Eric Raymond if u need to
[03:11] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Don't want a dispute here; but, yes it is.
[03:11] <jm^> Oh yeah, another problem: Under the "system" menu (gnome) -> administration -> you can pick "login screen setup". This didn't work. I tried running it from shell, and it said that it couldn't connect to display or something. So I did xhost +, as normal user, and then export DISPLAY=:0.0 as root, then it'd work when starting the program from terminal, but not from gnome menu. Any ideas?
[03:11] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Gateway 400VTX
[03:12] <LinuxJones> guys please drop the legal debate it's off-topic !!
[03:12] <goofrider> krazykook, sorry if I sounds like an ass but I'm sick of this stupid FUD
[03:12] <goofrider> LinuxJones, thank u
[03:12] <hybrid_goth> ubuntu-offtopic
[03:13] <krazykook> goofrider: it is not fud...here is the issue related to lgpl and as you can see clearly it is consistent with gpl
[03:13] <krazykook> This is a free software license, but not a strong copyleft license, because it permits linking with non-free modules.  It is compatible with the GNU GPL.  We recommend it for special circumstances only.
[03:13] <goofrider> :-X
[03:13] <LinuxJones> krazykook, stop spamming the channel please
[03:13] <krazykook> goofrider: and you can see compatible with GPL as well as anyone
[03:13] <goofrider> It's off-topic. stop. we're here to help ppl
[03:14] <goofrider> i'll be back. Gotta take a break
[03:14] <krazykook> goofrider: that is what we are trying to do....trying to get firefox, glom postgres and a couple of other things running...and GNU makes it clear that we are bound by GNU not the other licenses
[03:14] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: Here bookmark this: http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/400VTX/3501331ivr17.shtml
[03:15] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: Here bookmark this too: http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/400VTX/3501331sp47.shtml
[03:15] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Okay...I looked at that very page and I didn't see any horiz and ver ranges listed.  Do you?
[03:15] <jerub> nalioth: I have a copy of the 5.04 cd, and while it boots, the video output doesn't work
[03:15] <jm^> oh, and, when trying to apt-get install mplayer-386 it tells me it depends on things that aren't installable. (like libdirectfb, libggi2, etc)
[03:16] <jm^> any ideas?
[03:16] <brokenladder> IS THERE any way to lower the fan speed of my computer?  it's one of those small form factors.  it's way too loud.
[03:16] <jerub> nalioth: the cursor displays fine, but the image is completely broken
[03:16] <nalioth> jerub, i'm not fortunate enough to run a G5, hoary works great on my G3 and G4 ibooks
[03:16] <brokenladder> on my last box, i just put resistors in line with the fans, but this fan is inside the power supply
[03:16] <brokenladder> why buy mac hardware to put linux on it?
[03:16] <brokenladder> seems like a waste of money.
[03:16] <nalioth> jerub perhaps some of these others can suggest command line parameters to pass to the kernel
[03:16] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: no becuase they assume you are using WinBloze
[03:17] <nalioth> brokenladder: because
[03:17] <brokenladder> get twice as much power for the money with pc hardware.
[03:17] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: I'm looking give me a min
[03:17] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Thanks!
[03:17] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Me, too.  Just don't see it.
[03:17] <nalioth> brokenladder: let us not start a x86 vs ppc ramble
[03:17] <brokenladder> well the choice is obvious.
[03:17] <nalioth> we use what we have
[03:17] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, I think you can buy a gadget that uses phase cancellation to help cut down on fan noise, search google or alternatively move your computer to another room or but a new power supply :D
[03:17] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: Here is what your screen section should look like: http://www.wplug.org/pipermail/wplug/2003-November/019998.html
[03:18] <brokenladder> the only reason to buy a mac would be if you liked osx a lot.  if you don't even use osx, no reason to buy expensive hardware.
[03:18] <nalioth> brokenladder: noted
[03:18] <brokenladder> it does look pretty cool though.  i think the mac mini is sweet.
[03:18] <brokenladder> i almost bought one.
[03:19] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: ppc aritechture in awesome
[03:19] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: Do you know what video card it is?
[03:19] <brokenladder> yes it is.
[03:19] <brokenladder> but overpriced.
[03:19] <nalioth> brokenladder: mac mini + fm transmitter = cartoy extraordinaire
[03:19] <brokenladder> for the same money you'll get much more performance from x86
[03:19] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: sudo lspci
[03:19] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Okay....I'm reading this last page that you gave me.  BRB
[03:19] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: yea
[03:20] <jorge__> Does anybody know about any Ubuntu tutorials other than "Ubuntu How Come" (I've already done that one)?
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: but falling
[03:20] <brokenladder> the mac gui is pretty but not very functionally well put together.  the dock is terrible.
[03:20] <krg> How fast the hardware executes instructions is unimportant to me if I can't do the work I want to do how I want to do it.
[03:20] <brokenladder> umm..okay.
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: i like the dock idea but os x is not as powerfull as people speak of
[03:20] <brokenladder> that would seem to be more an issue of os than hardware platform.
[03:20] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, they have alot of great multimedia/composing stuff though that doesn't exist on Linux.
[03:20] <krg> Yes.
[03:20] <krg> Which is why I need Mac OS X.
[03:21] <brokenladder> like what?
[03:21] <krg> Sibelius, GarageBand, iMovie, iDVD.
[03:21] <hybrid_goth> LinuxJones: no
[03:21] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, final Cut Pro 5
[03:21] <krg> I kinda need those.
[03:21] <brokenladder> oh no..i know what you mean.  like final cut pro.  I used to do final cut pro for a living.
[03:21] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: you are an artist do you do your stuff on linux?
[03:21] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, cool
[03:21] <brokenladder> i will be.
[03:21] <brokenladder> i'll be using ardour.
[03:21] <brokenladder> i just got this new system set up.
[03:21] <metalsand> does anyone know the gnome panel editor program?
[03:22] <brokenladder> well..it's not really set up yet.  i'm still transferring old settings and stuff from my hald hd.
[03:22] <brokenladder> old hd
[03:22] <brokenladder> metalsand, i think you have to do stuff like that command line.
[03:22] <LinuxJones> metalsand, right click the panel then properties
[03:22] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: Try this: HorizSync    31.5 - 82.0 and the: VertRefresh  60.0 - 90.0\
[03:22] <Linforcer> wasssaaaaaaap ubuntu People
[03:22] <brokenladder> it's terrible how apps in the panel are named like "text editor" instead of "gedit" with the comment being "text editor".  You can change it, but it will be overwritten the next time you upgrade.
[03:23] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Okay.
[03:23] <LinuxJones> Linforcer, hiya
[03:23] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: loose the \ at the end of the 90.0
[03:23] <Tezkah> KDE does it okay
[03:23] <jm^> Ok... has anyone been able to install mplayer-386 recently?
[03:23] <brokenladder> kde is atrocious.
[03:23] <metalsand> Bleh. No one knows? I guess I'll just have to browse synaptic
[03:23] <Tezkah> Media Player (amaroK)
[03:23] <jorge__> What's going on in Zandvort?
[03:23] <brokenladder> it does do some things better than gnome ,but it is so ugly.
[03:23] <Linforcer> LinuxJones yooo
[03:23] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: do a sudo init 3 and the sudo init 5 afterward
[03:23] <Tezkah> Music Player (JuK)
[03:23] <Tezkah> oh, weird, I feel the opposite
[03:23] <Linforcer> what's eating all you penginloverzzz
[03:23] <Linforcer> xD
[03:23] <Tezkah> not that GNOME is ugly, just too plain for me
[03:23] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: What do those do?
[03:23] <Tezkah> i like both though
[03:23] <metalsand> Plain is stylish ;)
[03:24] <brokenladder> I like being able to use kde apps in gnome when i like.  freedesktop standards are a good thing.
[03:24] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: If it says kdm is running then reboot the sucker  :-)
[03:24] <brokenladder> personally, i think there needs to be something analogous to free desktop for linux distros.  so that they all use the same settings files and such.
[03:24] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: yes i use xfce and run kde games and gtk
[03:24] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: init 3 closes out of the GUI stage and init 5 puts you back in
[03:24] <brokenladder> the linux "market" needs to be unfragmented.
[03:24] <Chambers-> whats the root password for the live cd?
[03:24] <brokenladder> just set one
[03:24] <brokenladder> sudo passwd or whatever
[03:24] <metalsand> Chamers_: The password you set for your account
[03:24] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: re-init of the xorg.conf file
[03:25] <Chambers-> metalsand: i'm using the live cd, i never set a password
[03:25] <Linforcer> brokenladder it's power is that there's something for everyone, which will always lead to segmentation
[03:25] <brokenladder> i had hell getting my monitor to do normal resolution yesterday when i first installed.  i don't even really know exactly how i finally fixed it.
[03:25] <shark> 
[03:25] <brokenladder> but if you standardize certain things, i think it would help linux.
[03:25] <Linforcer> brokenladder either way, maybe you should check out Unitud Linux then
[03:26] <Linforcer> brokenladdec, I guess
[03:26] <brokenladder> make it so that libraries are always in some set place.  make it so that the installation systems obey standards.
[03:26] <krg> But!
[03:26] <krg> Standards remove choice!
[03:26] <xfSx> any1 got any idea why my screensavers won't grab the desktop image?
[03:26] <brokenladder> i don't have time to.  i just like to complain.
[03:26] <Linforcer> excactly
[03:26] <Linforcer> like
[03:26] <Linforcer> in Ubuntu GNOME is the standard
[03:26] <Linforcer> because ppl didnt like that there came Kubuntu
[03:26] <MuStR> pf
[03:27] <MuStR> gnome pwns
[03:27] <Linforcer> yeah
[03:27] <Linforcer> that's hardly the point
[03:27] <brokenladder> okay, i'm going to put my computer on top of my subwoofer on my floor, so it will be beneath my desk and shield a lot of the noise (since i'm going to be using it for home recording)  any chance this might hurt anything?
[03:27] <MuStR> no one is restricted to a certain window manager though...
[03:27] <brokenladder> exactly.
[03:27] <Linforcer> the point is Linux pwnz for letting poeple choose
[03:27] <MuStR> I mean, on my comp I have gnome, KDE, fluxbox, and xfce installed
[03:27] <brokenladder> you can choose and still have standards.
[03:27] <MuStR> haha
[03:27] <MuStR> yeah
[03:28] <brokenladder> for instance, i can choose which wireless carrier i want, but i can use any of them to call friends using any other carrier.
[03:28] <elcu> xfSx: have you installed your graphics driver?
[03:28] <MuStR> speaking of which, do you know how to change the default window manager?
[03:28] <PeskyGee> Where is cifs.mount located in Ubuntu?
[03:28] <elcu> xfSx: i'm not certain, but that might be it
[03:28] <brokenladder> does anyone think it would hurt my sff computer to put it on top of my subwoofer?
[03:28] <mebaran151> my mplayer refuses to use -vo null
[03:28] <mebaran151> what might I do
[03:28] <Tezkah> might, if it kept getting bounced
[03:28] <Tezkah> hard drives et al
[03:29] <LinuxJones> MuStR, gnome-wm
[03:29] <mebaran151> why wouldnt -vo null work
[03:29] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: How do I reboot from the command line?
[03:29] <brokenladder> type reboot
[03:29] <LinuxJones> BrettMeister, shutdown -r now
[03:29] <brokenladder> or "sudo reboot"
[03:30] <brokenladder> or shutdown -h now
[03:30] <MuStR> LinuxJones: I want to change the default GDM session
[03:30] <LinuxJones> MuStR, gdm-setup
[03:30] <LinuxJones> MuStR, sorry sudo gdm-setup
[03:30] <nalioth> BrettMeister:
[03:30] <nalioth> BrettMeister: 'shutdown -r now"
[03:30] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: reboot or shutdoen -r now
[03:30] <nalioth> brokenladder: -h is 'halt'
[03:31] <LinuxJones> MuStR, argh man , you can select session from the gdm main window
[03:31] <nalioth> brokenladder: -r is reboot
[03:31] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: shutdown -r now I mean
[03:31] <MuStR> LinuxJones: sudo: gdm-setup: command not found
[03:31] <BrettMeister> Got it folks.  Thanks for your help so far.
[03:31] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: np
[03:31] <MuStR> lol
[03:31] <MuStR> I know I can, but I want to set one as default.
[03:31] <CarlK> what log file can I tail -f to see ssh connections?
[03:31] <brokenladder> brb
[03:32] <IcemanV9> MuStR: log out. look for the word 'session' just under the dialog box .. there are list of wm that you can choose
[03:32] <LinuxJones> MuStR, if you want to load say kde you can just logout and under session at the bottom of the gdm login screen or you can set it by typing sudo gdm-setup not sudo: gdmsetup :)
[03:32] <PeskyGee> I would like a user to mount/umount a SMB share. how are most people doing it in Ubuntu?
[03:32] <RedNeck_> How many partions and how big do they need to be to install Ubuntu, I would like to manually partion my Hard Drive?
[03:32] <MuStR> ...............
[03:32] <CarlK> RedNeck_ - 15 or so is good
[03:32] <LinuxJones> MuStR, gdm will ask you if you want to make the change permenantly
[03:33] <CarlK> RedNeck_ and about 3 gig each
[03:33] <MuStR> LinuxJones: I did that, but since I uninstalled and reinstalled gnome, it thinks xfce is my default wm. I want to change that back to gnome.
[03:33] <LinuxJones> PeskyGee, have a look at www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:33] <MuStR> LinuxJones: gdm-setup is not valid, I just tried that.
[03:33] <CarlK> RedNeck_ - after a few months of trying to work with that mess, you will see the pros/cons of partitioning
[03:34] <LinuxJones> MuStR, select gnome under session and it will ask you if you want to make gnome the default
[03:34] <MuStR> ......
[03:34] <MuStR> No, it will not.
[03:34] <LinuxJones> MuStR, dude
[03:34] <IcemanV9> MuStR: yes. it will.
[03:34] <mebaran151> how do I enable my rtc
[03:34] <CarlK> RedNeck_ - or let the installer do it
[03:34] <RedNeck_> I got an 80 gigs hard drive and I dont want to use all
[03:34] <LinuxJones> MuStR, open a terminal and type apt-get update && apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:34] <MuStR> It did before. I set gnome as default. I uninstalled, and reinstalled gnome. It now sees xfce as default. It doesn't give me the option to change default.
[03:34] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Okay.  Well, at least I was able to get the xserver up and get into gnome.  But, here's the prob as it has been on this laptop all along.  It needs to be at a finer resolution than 800 x 600.  Your idea about the last range was a good idea.
[03:34] <CarlK> RedNeck_ - why not?
[03:35] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Should I get into config and try a larger range?
[03:35] <RedNeck_> I need to install windows
[03:35] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: horiz and vert?
[03:35] <carthik_away> Is there an ubuntu blog somewhere, besides the planet?
[03:35] <CarlK> RedNeck_ - you are better off installing win first, then Linux
[03:35] <carthik_away> you know, read the news, catch up sort of blog?
[03:36] <CarlK> RedNeck_ - the ubuntu installer will even shrink an NTFS partition - it is pretty cool
[03:36] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: Your video card can do 1024x768. So in the screen section put that in front of 800x600
[03:36] <metalsand> What's the IRSSI command to leave a channel/nick tab?
[03:36] <CarlK> RedNeck_ - and that way the Ubuntu installer will setup grub to muti boot, something the Win installer will never do
[03:36] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: do a ctrl  alt f1 and then init 3, init 5 and see
[03:38] <elcu> metalsand: /help part
[03:38] <RedNeck_> CarlK it will but for other windows only
[03:38] <elcu> whoops
[03:38] <MuStR> LinuxJones: that did nothing.
[03:38] <MuStR> LinuxJones: I'm simply looking for a config file I can edit. I can tell you that gdm.conf is not it, so do you know of any others?
[03:39] <LinuxJones> MuStR, that didn't install any software ?
[03:39] <MuStR> Nope.
[03:39] <MuStR> I told you, I recently re-installed gnome.
[03:39] <MuStR> aka gnome-desktop.
[03:39] <elcu> metalsand: have you tried /part ?
[03:39] <LinuxJones> MuStR, no install ubuntu-desktop
[03:39] <MuStR> bah
[03:39] <MuStR> that is what I meant
[03:39] <metalsand> elec: That doesn't leave a query
[03:40] <MuStR> Regardless, I copy/pasted what you wrote in the channel; it did nothing.
[03:40] <eventide> mutt seems to be stripping my signature prior to sending email...?
[03:40] <jm^> Any ideas why mplayer wont show a picture? I don't get any errors, the file i'm playing just doesn't appear on screen
[03:40] <LinuxJones> MuStR, ok type apt-get --purge remove gdm && apt-get install gdm
[03:40] <mebaran151> can evolution sync with a Nokia 6600
[03:40] <mebaran151> where can I find the lsit of phone that can sink with Evolution
[03:40] <MuStR> hm, makes sense.
[03:41] <krazykook> goofrider: i am going to summarize this whole issue with one simple page so everyone can understand clearly which apparently you don't........note that if you use these products on a gnu system...you are bound by gnu..period.
[03:41] <LinuxJones> MuStR, it should remove your borked config file and re-install and find all of your installed WM/DM's
[03:41] <krazykook> https://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses
[03:41] <JDahl> I just read on slashdot that Ubuntu is working with HP Europe to provide a tailored version of Ubuntu that works 100% on selected HP notebooks... not available in the US, though
[03:42] <LinuxJones> krazykook, you were asked several times to drop the gpl thing... please stop spamming the channel it is off-topic
[03:43] <krazykook> LinuxJones: how is it off-topic when we are trying to get stuff working on ubuntu
[03:43] <MuStR> krazykook: have you ever watched RevolutionOS?
[03:43] <MuStR> it's a movie.
[03:44] <krazykook> MuStR: no...i never have time to watch any movies
[03:44] <krazykook> MuStR: except the free one that was of interest because it was free
[03:44] <MuStR> krazykook: take some of your precious time and watch RevolutionOS.
[03:44] <MuStR> It's worth it.
[03:44] <[nubious] > is anyone here familiar with the TSPC ipv6 tunneling client?
[03:44] <MuStR> brb
[03:44] <metalsand> Anone know how to remove the topic thing from IRSII?
[03:45] <metalsand> IRSSI*
[03:46] <mebaran151> how do I add echo 1024 >> /proc/dev/rtc/max_usr-frew
[03:46] <mebaran151> how do I add echo 1024 >> /proc/dev/rtc/max_usr-freq
[03:46] <LinuxJones> krazykook, because this is a technical help channel not a gpl help channel. Check out www.fsf.org and look for an irc channel to ask your questions you will be well informed from those guys. Please this is not the place for your questions.
[03:46] <mebaran151> to my init scripts
[03:46] <elcu> metalsand: /STATUSBAR info DISABLE maybe?
[03:46] <cory> Hello everyone. How are you today?
[03:47] <metalsand> elcu: /part doesn't leave a query, btw... Lik with another user
[03:47] <mebaran151> which init script do I edit
[03:47] <nalioth> great! cory, and you?
[03:47] <elcu> metalsand: not sure then.  i use xchat
[03:47] <IcemanV9> mebaran151: use only one ">", not two ">>"
[03:48] <cory> good thanks.. :) brb
[03:48] <mebaran151> ok
[03:48] <mebaran151> but to which?
[03:48] <count0nz> ok lets look
[03:48] <mebaran151> I need to know the correct init script to use to enable my rtc for use by mplayer
[03:49] <IcemanV9> mebaran151: i just corrected the syntax .. that's all. i don't know which file
[03:49] <Nivex> I am trying to migrate from Fedora Core 3 to Ubuntu Hoary.  Thunderbird is not picking up my settings.  I've tried moving .thunderbird to .mozilla-thunderbird, but I get no folder list or messages.  Suggestions?
[03:49] <IcemanV9> mebaran151: let me check ..
[03:49] <mebaran151> could I use sysctl.conf
[03:49] <Chambers-> do ati cards play nice with ubuntu?  Meaning the 3d drivers?
[03:49] <mebaran151> ti looks like the right one
[03:49] <mebaran151> as it is trying to set that sort of variable
[03:49] <jm^> mebaran151: are you also having trouble using mplayer?
[03:49] <elcu> Chambers-: my 9600 pro works fine.
[03:50] <mebaran151> yeah
[03:50] <PeskyGee> brb
[03:50] <IcemanV9> mebaran151: it doesn't exist on my box. sorry.
[03:50] <metalsand> Cab oo open Microsoft word documents?
[03:50] <hybrid_goth> yea
[03:50] <jm^> mebaran151: I can't play a movie
[03:50] <Chambers-> elcu: and xv works along with 3d acceleration?
[03:50] <BrettMeister> darkaudit & PeskyGee:  I've commented out every subsection of the screen but the one that I want to force it.  What should I put for horiz and vert?
[03:50] <mebaran151> IcemanV9, check /etc/sysctl.conf
[03:50] <mebaran151> oh mine halts my machine
[03:50] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: can you pm me?
[03:50] <mebaran151> I get in the syslog
[03:50] <mebaran151> losing ticks
[03:50] <mebaran151> and then lost lots of ticks
[03:50] <metalsand> Ahhhh... Can word open open office files?
[03:50] <mebaran151> and then halt
[03:50] <kakalto> is there any reported ubuntu bugs to do with clearing cache in firefox?
[03:51] <jm^> mebaran151: ah. I get no errors, but it just wont show an image
[03:51] <mebaran151> metalsand, you shouldnt smoke such strong stuff
[03:51] <elcu> Chambers-: xv? (sorry, still a bit of a newbie)
[03:51] <mebaran151> jm^, try setting -vo X11
[03:51] <mebaran151> like this
[03:51] <Chambers-> xv is used with mplayer on how it plays movies
[03:51] <mebaran151> mplayer moviename
[03:51] <krazykook> LinuxJones: i don't see how you can separate ubuntu-legal from ubuntu-technical....nor do i see the separate channel....but anyway i think i have posted succinctly the relevant material...so everyone can understand
[03:51] <mebaran151> -vo xv
[03:51] <IcemanV9> mebaran151, jm^ : are you using it with firefox or standalone??
[03:51] <metalsand> No point in me having Open Office, then. :( I don't have a printer, I alwyas have my friends print stuff for me
[03:51] <jm^> IcemanV9: standalone
[03:51] <mebaran151> standalone
[03:51] <mebaran151> my problem is different
[03:51] <Chambers-> if xv isn't working correclty and you play a movie in mplayer you can't streth the image (meaning dsouble sixe it and so on)
[03:51] <mebaran151> mplayer plays
[03:51] <IcemanV9> ah. k.
[03:52] <mebaran151> but it halts the machine
[03:52] <mebaran151> if I give it some heavy heavy load
[03:52] <mebaran151> it is the most interesting kernel error ever
[03:52] <jm^> Chambers-: if i try play a movie with -vo x11 I just get here: alsa-init: 1 soundcard found, using: default
[03:53] <jm^> Chambers-: but no picture
[03:53] <IFRFLYR> Hey folks, what's a reasonable number for % of cpu usage by xorg?
[03:53] <ahuxley> hi all
[03:53] <saber_> flyr: depends on what you're doing
[03:53] <cory> I am having a strange Linux problem that thought perhaps someone from this channel could help me with.. I am on Hoary Ubuntu.
[03:53] <mebaran151> May 14 17:01:23 localhost kernel: Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequency changed.
[03:53] <cory> Can anyone please help?
[03:53] <metalsand> IFRFLYR: I have 0%-1%
[03:53] <bur[n] e1> cory: ask man
[03:53] <Chambers-> jm^: you happen to have an ATI card?
[03:53] <IFRFLYR> Actually just running thunderbird, gnome, this gaim, firefox...That's about it. . .
[03:53] <ahuxley> Just reading on slashdot.org about HP and Ubuntu
[03:53] <eventide> IFRFLYR: depends on cpu?
[03:53] <IFRFLYR> Rght now I am looking at 5.0%
[03:53] <ahuxley> is there any more info?
[03:53] <IFRFLYR> allthe way to 7%
[03:54] <jm^> Chambers-: to be honest, I don't know. I just got this laptop. Lemme see if dmesg tells me anything
[03:54] <saber_> that's pretty reasonable
[03:54] <IFRFLYR> saber_ that was for ifr?
[03:54] <ahuxley> http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050512_124421.html
[03:54] <saber_> that was for you
[03:54] <IFRFLYR> Thanks so much
[03:54] <Chambers-> i'm a bit of a debian newb, but how do you install programs?  Like I want to install the latest opera, is it easy?  With Suse I just ran the rpm
[03:54] <IFRFLYR> Nice reality check
[03:54] <elcu> Chambers-: sorry, don't know much about that.  but i do have 3d support in games etc.  you can follow these driver install instructions if you wish to go through with it: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:54] <LinuxJones> krazykook, goto #ubuntu-devel that's the Ubuntu developers channel ask your question there and you will probably get some input...be advised it's a developers channel so ask nicely :)
[03:54] <elcu> Chambers-: sudo apt-get install opera
[03:54] <cory> I've just inserted a D-Link DWL-G520 wireless adapter which is, according to ubuntu.com, supposed to work out-of-the-box.  The problem is my device manager detects it, but I can't see it with iwconfig or any other form of wireless checking.
[03:54] <bur[n] e1> Chambers-: www.ubuntuguide.org  get the opera .deb and dpki -i package.deb
[03:54] <Chambers-> wow..that's easy :)
[03:55] <bur[n] e1> opera isn't in the repository
[03:55] <bur[n] e1> afaik
[03:55] <elcu> Chambers-: good references are ubuntuguide.org and ubuntuforums.org
[03:55] <bur[n] e1> Chambers-: also check the faq
[03:55] <elcu> bur[n] e1: it's not?
[03:55] <nekohayo> anyone know if a fix for gnome's too simple print dialog is planned for 2.12?
[03:55] <bur[n] e1> i didn't think so
[03:55] <mebaran151> May 14 16:28:20 localhost kernel: warning: many lost ticks.
[03:55] <mebaran151> May 14 16:28:20 localhost kernel: Your time source seems to be instable or some driver is hogging interupts
[03:55] <cory> Does anyone know why I'm having this problem. . I am certain the adapter works because Windows recognizes and uses it fine..
[03:55] <mebaran151> how do I fix this
[03:55] <bur[n] e1> nekohayo: good question
[03:55] <Chambers-> awesome, i'm pretty excited.  I ran the live cd on my laptop and really like the cleanliness of it.  I used to like kde but now I'm thinking it may be too bloated, gnome is a refreshing change :)
[03:55] <mebaran151> it seems to be caused by mencoder
[03:56] <IFRFLYR> Has anyone noticed slowness or difficulties with the latest 1.02 ubuntu firefox?
[03:56] <mebaran151> it causes my computer to halt very hard
[03:56] <bur[n] e1> has anyone connected to windows xp computer that shares a printer?
[03:56] <nekohayo> bur[n] e1, am I the only one thinking that it NEEDS color/quality/size management? :) do you have an idea where the gnome RFEs are sitting?
[03:56] <jm^> Sight. dmesg is full of errors
[03:56] <IFRFLYR> chambers-: http://www.debianuniverse.com/readonline/chapter/05
[03:56] <bur[n] e1> my printer gets a "lowlevel document" on the windows side from my box, but doesn't start printing.... hangs on spooling everytime
[03:56] <jm^> I'm really starting to dislike ubuntu
[03:56] <Chambers-> cedega work ok?
[03:57] <krazykook> IFRFLYR: what i noticed is that when i switched to firefox 1.03....it broke the whole gnome system and said missing DSO at fff0eee1....which is very obvious like MS
[03:57] <IFRFLYR> It speaks highly of you jm^
[03:57] <IFRFLYR> ;)
[03:57] <IFRFLYR> Hmmm.
[03:57] <bur[n] e1> seems ok
[03:57] <jm^> IFRFLYR: hehe. It installed -alot- of stuff I don't need/want
[03:57] <IcemanV9> jm^: just because of mplayer??
[03:57] <krazykook> IFRFLYR: like everyone is supposed to know what DSO is missing at 0xfffleee1
[03:57] <mebaran151> so how do I echo 1024 to my init scripts in ubuntu
[03:57] <mebaran151> I think a good rtc might fix this
[03:58] <IFRFLYR> Yeah, the personalization is a bit MS-ish. You can apt-get --purge remove stuff you don't want. Or go for gentoo!
[03:58] <IFRFLYR> :)
[03:58] <krazykook> IFRFLYR: and when i put the old 1.02 version back the missing DSO went away.....go figure
[03:58] <IFRFLYR> Hmm. THanks krazykook!
[03:58] <kanuha> I installed firefox 1.04 with no problems
[03:58] <IFRFLYR> from which repo kanuha?
[03:58] <kanuha> I'm also using KDE
[03:58] <kakalto> does anyone know of problems with cache in opera?
[03:58] <bur[n] e1> can someone do me a favor and try to run "vncviewer -listen" from within gnome... i get errors about a font, but it works fine in XFCE
[03:58] <jm^> IFRFLYR: yeah.. been using gentoo on workstations, and freebsd on servers till now.. wanted to try something else.. but tbh I think I'm going to go back to gentoo
[03:58] <mebaran151> I may as well
[03:58] <kanuha> no repo, from the firefox site
[03:58] <mebaran151> it seems a tad harder
[03:59] <mebaran151> but somethings JUST WORK
[03:59] <mebaran151> just one question on Gentoo
[03:59] <mebaran151> if the system freezes in the middle of a compile of a large package
[03:59] <IFRFLYR> You and me both jm^ - I'm running gentoo server and used this for the lappy; now I'm making lappy dual boot gentoo/ubuntu
[03:59] <mebaran151> that contains many sub packages
[03:59] <mebaran151> like gnome
[03:59] <IFRFLYR> kanuha, thanks.
[03:59] <mebaran151> do you have to start all over or is it smart enough to figure out where it cracked
[03:59] <kanuha> np
[03:59] <jm^> IFRFLYR: ah, I see
[04:00] <krazykook> LinuxJones: it was never a question...it was a statement....we can't abide by all these other crazy incompatible licenses if we compile the code on a GNU/LInux system...period
[04:00] <jm^> Well. I'm going to go to bed now... will install Gentoo on this in the morning.
[04:00] <goofrider> mebaran151, googgle about gnu make and incremental compilation
[04:00] <jm^> Night all :)
[04:00] <IFRFLYR> night jm*
[04:00] <mebaran151> ok
[04:00] <mebaran151> but I would prefer jsut to FIX mplayer
[04:00] <mebaran151> rather than build anew
[04:00] <mebaran151> I like the layout of debian
[04:00] <PeskyGee> back  :-)
[04:00] <mebaran151> and most 64 bit pkgs are compiled with everything I need in them
[04:00] <goofrider> mebaran151, r u the one who's compiling mplayer in Ubuntu?
[04:00] <mebaran151> sse2 etc
[04:00] <mebaran151> I had to
[04:01] <krazykook> LinuxJones: and i have given you the relevant documentation regarding the statement....
[04:01] <mebaran151> mine was kind of broken
[04:01] <goofrider> becasue..?
[04:01] <mebaran151> it wont -vo null
[04:01] <mebaran151> it fails to initialize -vo null
[04:01] <mebaran151> and alot of scripts I used in encoding
[04:01] <mebaran151> require me to have -vo null availalbe
[04:01] <mebaran151> but the standard version seems not be able to do it
[04:02] <goofrider> mebaran151, u should apt-get source mplayer-686
[04:02] <kakalto> could someone please tell me if my site displays correctly under firefox or opera? http://ojsoft.swifthost.net/ - I'm unsure if it's a problem with my firefox/opera or a problem with ubuntu firefox/opera
[04:02] <kakalto> all I see is shades of gray
[04:02] <kakalto> but that's not proper
[04:02] <goofrider> mebaran151, make your mods... create a diff file for yourself if u want.. then make a custom deb out of it
[04:02] <mebaran151> oh
[04:02] <mebaran151> I just used the mplayer way of making a deb
[04:02] <LinuxJones> krazykook, dude your legal problems are your own, there other Operating Systems other than Linux if it's licensing doesn't fit your needs.
[04:03] <mebaran151> not sure why it cant use dev null
[04:03] <[freebsd> When installing Ubuntu/Kubuntu, when copying files, the installation always stops at either 19%, 31%, 40%, or 50%. Any ideas?
[04:03] <mebaran151> it usually works
[04:03] <krazykook> LinuxJones: there are plenty of OS's . I could name a long list...but it is not my legal problems i am concerned with...it is Ubuntu's
[04:03] <goofrider> mebaran151, I doubt the Ubuntu package is broken, u should search the forums tosee if it's a known issue
[04:03] <mebaran151> null is usually a standby for anything
[04:03] <mebaran151> I should
[04:03] <mebaran151> but it was less work to make and compile
[04:04] <mebaran151> Ubuntu takes a very log time to fix unsupported pkgs
[04:04] <mebaran151> and I understand why
[04:04] <goofrider> mebaran151, universe is maintained by the community, i.e. you ad me
[04:04] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:04] <LinuxJones> krazykook, how is Ubuntu's licensing different from any other Linux distro ?
[04:04] <mebaran151> that is why some fixes take awhile
[04:04] <count0nz> just installed 2 copys of ubantu 5.04 ;) no probs P3 733 and Duron 1600 oc 1800
[04:04] <goofrider> mebaran151, if it's a known issue, download the source by apt-get source, patch it, and submit the patch to malone
[04:05] <goofrider> LinuxJones, pls don't feed the trolls
[04:05] <krazykook> LinuxJones: all the distros have the same problem...not just ubuntu...they need to let people know that all the other licenses are inapplicable once they choose to install a program on a GNU/Linux system...regardless of distro
[04:05] <Burgundavia> goofrider, please turn off your away/return messages
[04:05] <mebaran151> the problem is I cant compile everything in
[04:05] <[freebsd> When installing Ubuntu/Kubuntu, when copying files, the installation always stops at either 19%, 31%, 40%, or 50%. Any ideas?
[04:06] <mebaran151> that needs to be compiled in
[04:06] <goofrider> Burgundavia, sure my bad
[04:06] <IcemanV9> [freebsd: it had happened to me before on my laptop .. i just simply turned off apic
[04:06] <Burgundavia> goofrider, cheers, thnaks
[04:06] <krazykook> LinuxJones: if any of that software makes calls to the gnu system....they are bound by GNU....not any other irrelevant license.
[04:06] <[freebsd> Iceman, specifically do what?
[04:06] <metalsand`hitchh> BLeh.
[04:06] <LinuxJones> goofrider, I have been having a few drinks and can't help myself :D
[04:06] <LinuxJones> krazykook, use bsd then
[04:06] <count0nz> anyone got a working Quickcam driver that can be easyly installed useing apt-get :) (i am thinking of repacking some drivers but don't want to redo someone elses work)
[04:06] <metalsand`hitchh> Going to see hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy
[04:06] <IcemanV9> [freebsd: it'll turn off apic to allow ubuntu to be installed
[04:07] <goofrider> LinuxJones, LOL
[04:07] <LinuxJones> krazykook, or even worse install Windows XP and see if you like that bag of poison even better !!
[04:08] <[freebsd> Ice, IT will, or how do I?
[04:08] <IcemanV9> [freebsd: when install CD boots up, just type 'boot apic=off'
[04:08] <mebaran151> how do I set ioctl to set a proc value on boot
[04:09] <[freebsd> k, ty!
[04:09] <goofrider> mebaran151, dude u use Gentoo for way too long
[04:09] <mebaran151> well
[04:09] <PeskyGee> I know how to disable services but how do I know the name of the service to disable? where are they located. eg LVM etc....
[04:09] <mebaran151> I need to set ioctl for mplayer
[04:10] <mebaran151> I want to set the rtc to have a max-user-freq of 1024
[04:10] <IcemanV9> [freebsd: r u still using fbsd or just curious about ubuntu? i have been using bsd since 2.2.6. ubuntu is my 1st one that i actually use linux.
[04:10] <mebaran151> I could echo 1024 > rtcdevicestring
[04:10] <mebaran151> or I could ioctl it
[04:10] <mebaran151> if someone would tell me either way
[04:10] <mebaran151> I would be happy
[04:10] <goofrider> mebaran151, well if u really need to tweak everything, than u should go back to Gentoo, that's what it's for
[04:10] <mebaran151> I dont need to tweak EVERYTHING
[04:10] <mebaran151> just ONE thing
[04:10] <goofrider> LMAO
[04:10] <mebaran151> all I need is to know the init script
[04:11] <mebaran151> that can do that
[04:11] <mebaran151> running mplayer as root is silly
[04:11] <goofrider> mebaran151, well if no-one here can anwer your question, check the Debian manuals
[04:11] <gpierce> hello
[04:11] <goofrider> mebaran151, specifically Debian Policy and Debian Kernel manual
[04:12] <goofrider> mebaran151, they should have the info u need
[04:12] <mebaran151> oy
[04:12] <mebaran151> I hate doing that
[04:12] <mebaran151> that is just ... painful
[04:12] <mebaran151> no plot interest WHATSOEVER
[04:13] <goofrider> mebaran151, if u wanna to do internal tweaks, u need to be prepared to RTFM. It's not unreasonable
[04:14] <goofrider> mebaran151, but if I knew whree those things were I'd have told u. but I'm a fucktard. so there :P
[04:15] <count0nz> anyone got a working Quickcam driver that can be easyly installed useing apt-get :) (i am thinking of repacking some drivers but don't want to redo someone elses work)
[04:16] <goofrider> count0nz, what about the qce-source  package?
[04:16] <mebaran151> np goorider
[04:16] <count0nz> is that not obsolate ?
[04:16] <goofrider> and qc-usb-source?
[04:16] <IcemanV9> mebaran151: be warned .. it was used for Warty, but it could give u an idea of how to get mplayer running (standalone) --> http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[04:17] <goofrider> count0nz, u need to tell us what's wrong with the modules that's already there (if u discovered any isses)
[04:18] <count0nz> no i'll go back to banging bits togeather :)
[04:18] <count0nz> \s/no/np
[04:18] <goofrider> count0nz, and u know about module-assistant right?
[04:18] <count0nz> nope new to ubantu :) a Gentoo Covert
[04:19] <goofrider> count0nz, apt-get module-assistant qc-usb-source
[04:19] <mebaran151> nope
[04:19] <mebaran151> I need the place in Ubuntu
[04:19] <goofrider> count0nz, then `m-a a-i qc-usb`
[04:19] <mebaran151> where it keeps the etc file
[04:19] <mebaran151> that loads the ioctl stuff
[04:19] <count0nz> thanks
[04:20] <goofrider> count0nz, module-assitant will download all necessary header, compile the module and install it for u, all in one shot
[04:20] <kanuha> no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[04:20] <kanuha> , does this mean that I need to install gcc?
[04:20] <mebaran151> yes
[04:21] <kanuha> mebaran151, thanks
[04:21] <tritium> kanuha, you most likely should install build-essential
[04:22] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:22] <mebaran151> tritium is right
[04:22] <mebaran151> tritium, would you know what init script to put an ioctl changer in
[04:22] <mebaran151> I need to echo ioctl > /proc/sys/dev/rct/max_userfreq
[04:22] <mebaran151> or ioctl it
[04:23] <tritium> mebaran151, you can put it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh, I suppose
[04:23] <mebaran151> I need it to stop this
[04:23] <tritium> otherwise, create your own, and add it with update-rc.d
[04:23] <mebaran151> sounds about right
[04:23] <kanuha> tritium, thanks
[04:23] <tritium> kanuha, sure :)
[04:23] <mebaran151> bootmisc sounds like a good place for this one liner
[04:23] <mebaran151> thanks
[04:23] <tritium> sure
[04:24] <tritium> good night
[04:26] <Tezkah> shit, I just changed my theme to lighthouse blue
[04:26] <Tezkah> and now all my taskbar things have unexpectadly quit
[04:26] <Tezkah> and theme settings wont load
[04:28] <Tezkah>  /join #gnome
[04:28] <IcemanV9> Tezkah: open terminal from right-click menu, then killall gnome-panel
[04:29] <Cybermagellan> anyone else here on breezy?
[04:29] <Tezkah> ack
[04:29] <Tezkah> I can see it trying to reload
[04:29] <Tezkah> but its just flashing at the bottom of my screen
[04:29] <JDahl> Cybermagellan, I installed on an old machine I dont use much
[04:29] <bretzel> Hello - Anybody knows how to use that gnome-clipboard-daemon ? It is running but how to access the contents ???
[04:29] <Tezkah> ryan@kubuntu:~$ gnome-panel
[04:29] <Tezkah> Segmentation fault
[04:30] <krazykook> LinuxJones: why would you want me to install xp...i have no interest in that stuff at all...i would rather work on the hurd than that
[04:30] <krazykook> LinuxJones: what are you...a MS saleslut
[04:31] <IcemanV9> Tezkah: hmm. try to kill X server (ctl alt backspace) and i'm sure you should see everything again once u logon.
[04:31] <Cybermagellan> I was just wondering if it is normal for the packages to not to be upgraded when dealing with a "beta"?
[04:32] <Tezkah> IcemanV9: I'll try that...
[04:32] <nalioth> Cybermagellan: with alpha/beta software, anything is possible (or impossible)
[04:32] <goofrider> Cybermagellan, did u upgrade from hoary?
[04:33] <LinuxJones> krazykook, your a spamming troll and have been told about 10 times to go somewhere else with your petty gripes. If the GPL doesn't fit your needs develop on another platform in any case stop talking about it in this channel !!!!!
[04:33] <Cybermagellan> Yeah
[04:33] <goofrider> Cybermagellan, the libs that it refuse to upgrade might be depnded on by other software u have
[04:33] <mebaran151> going to compile my own kernel from source
[04:33] <mebaran151> where might I find a tutorial on doing it
[04:33] <krazykook> LinuxJones: quit you stupid lies and twisted facts you worthless piece of shit...I would like to beat your fucking head in...my complaint was never with GPL...it is your ignorance of GPL that upsets me
[04:33] <cory> I'm having a Linux problem that I was wondering if anyone could help me with?
[04:34] <mebaran151> cory name it
[04:34] <nalioth> cory ask
[04:34] <LinuxJones> omg Trituim are you still around ??
[04:34] <mebaran151> and we will blame it .... or something that rhymes with ame
[04:34] <goofrider> Cybermagellan, try apt-get -f install <package> to force the upgrade
[04:34] <goofrider> Cybermagellan, but u can break things.
[04:34] <mebaran151> force is a bad idea
[04:34] <mebaran151> just compile from src
[04:35] <mebaran151> and use checkinstall to make a pgk
[04:35] <JDahl> Cybermagellan, I would use aptitude to see why the package is being held back
[04:35] <mebaran151> pkg
[04:35] <cory> I have inserted today a D-Link DWL-G520 Wireless Network Adapter.  According to the Ubuntu site, the drivers required to configure the adapter come pre-installed with Ubuntu.
[04:35] <goofrider> mebaran151, just apt-get the kernel source and use make-kpkg to build your own kernerl package
[04:35] <sauk> hey all.  no, not a bot.  sitting in wisconsin on my powerbook doing econ on this wonderful saturday evening.  need a favor though, need 100 poll responses by tomorrow on one question.  its on my geocities site.  http://www.geocities.com/awesome_48/econ.html  thanks a bunch in advance.
[04:35] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:35] <Tezkah> no dice
[04:35] <mebaran151> but I want to make sure I get every option
[04:35] <mebaran151> pretty good
[04:36] <cory> It recognizes the card, but i cannot edit it from iwconfig
[04:36] <mebaran151> I am apt-getting the kernel source
[04:36] <mebaran151> 2.12
[04:36] <Cybermagellan> krazykook, please behave in accordance with the Code of Conduct....just being in the room people can assume that you hold an official position with Ubuntu. Your behavior does not make you approchable and restricts how other people interpet this channel
[04:36] <mebaran151> debian style
[04:36] <goofrider> mebaran151, u can ./configure the kernel b4 u comile it
[04:36] <sauk> would love to be doing better things than econ tonight
[04:36] <LinuxJones> krazykook, I love your physical threats, if you seen me you wouldn't say jack shit you pimple-faced bitch or get knocked unconscious in 5 seconds.
[04:36] <mebaran151> I can make menuconfig
[04:36] <mebaran151> which is what I plan to do
[04:36] <sauk> but here i am, procrastinating like a mother
[04:36] <jeffco> Hi all. my computer seemed to be running Ubuntu slow, so I rebooted the computer. But it still seems to be running slow. And the thing is, my computer is not that old. IS there a way I can: 1. check out what's making my computer run slow? 2.Fix it up?
[04:36] <goofrider> mebaran151, as long as u use make-kpkg to build a DEB out of your custom kernel, u'll be fine (that's the Debian way)
[04:37] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:37] <mebaran151> I know
[04:37] <IcemanV9> Tezkah: uh oh. i don't know what's the next step. hopefully someone else can help u to change theme back via cli somehow.
[04:37] <mebaran151> thanks though
[04:37] <mebaran151> could you direct me to the tutorial though
[04:37] <cory> ifconfig does not detect my adapter
[04:37] <mebaran151> just to make sure I dont miss anything
[04:37] <goofrider> mebaran151, there should be a DEbian kernel howto
[04:37] <JDahl> mebaran151, you can get the default kernel build options by copying /boot/config-2.6.8-xxx to /usr/linux/.config. That way you get the same default choices used for building image-2.6.8-.xxx
[04:38] <jeffco> Hi all, Oh, I clicked on the Firefox icon (blue globe), and it says in the task bar  that it's loading. but it never shows up. What's wrong?
[04:38] <krazykook> Cybermagellan: i hold no position at Ubuntu or any other distributor....their decisions are theirs alone.....neither does anyone have to answer to me....but i will be dammed if i am gonna let that lying piece of shit twist the facts of the conversation....i will beat his head in with a tire iron first and splatter his brains all over the ground...i don't give a damn...i already have shit with this government and he is just one mo
[04:38] <darkaudit> goofrider: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php :)
[04:38] <Tezkah> man I'm screwed
[04:38] <resiak> sauk: what are you?
[04:38] <darkaudit> krazykook: that's enough
[04:38] <mebaran151> are the ubuntu kernels prepatched with working ACPI?
[04:38] <oliver_> Hullo everyone, I've been wondering why, when I press the left or right arrow key while a text box is selected, the cursor does not move between letters. Is this just me? Is there a way to fix it?
[04:39] <JDahl> mebaran151, that was /usr/src/linux of course
[04:39] <mebaran151> or are the Debian ones
[04:39] <prof_chaos>  jeffco, have you tried from the console?
[04:39] <IcemanV9> Tezkah: not really. ought there is a way to do it. let me check ...
[04:39] <jeffco> prof_chaos, what should i type in console?
[04:39] <prof_chaos> mozilla-firefox
[04:39] <LinuxJones> krazykook, I think you missed ur last 5 doses of prozac
[04:39] <goofrider> jeffco, did u install your own Firefox from mozilla.org?
[04:39] <prof_chaos> or firefox
[04:40] <krazykook> LinuxJones: fuck you ...you piece of shit...come around here anytime you feel like a amn
[04:40] <krazykook> man
[04:40] <darkaudit> can we get an op, please?
[04:40] <Linforcer> >.>
[04:40] <goofrider> how much longer are we putting up with this nonsense?
[04:40] <Linforcer> flamingness?
[04:40] <krazykook> LinuxJones: and we will what kind of man you are.
[04:40] <jeffco> goofrider, yes i did install my own Firefox (1.0.4) from mozzila.org, but i also kept 1.0.2 (the one that comes installed with Ubuntu).
[04:40] <LinuxJones> krazykook, dude we are on the Internet ur probably 5000 miles away you social reject
[04:40] <Gatton> well at least his nick is appropriate :)
[04:41] <Linforcer> jeez
[04:41] <prof_chaos> Ignore it, and it will go away
[04:41] <goofrider> jeffco, did u install custom extensions with 1.04?
[04:41] <Linforcer> prof_chaos I wish
[04:41] <JDahl> yes, I dont see why it's such a big deal - just /ignore him
[04:41] <Linforcer> hm
[04:41] <tritium> krazykook, please behave
[04:41] <oliver_> Hey, can I get some help please?
[04:41] <goofrider> jeffco, firefox 102 and 1.04 shares the same user data dir in  your /home/jeffco/.mozilla/firefox folder
[04:41] <jeffco> goofrider, I installed extensions with 1.04.
[04:42] <goofrider> jeffco, so those extenstions maybe conflicting with 1.02
[04:42] <mebaran151> why didnt I ever hear him say anything
[04:42] <mebaran151> weird
[04:42] <mebaran151> krazykook was prescreened on my end
[04:42] <tritium> mebaran151, scroll back
[04:42] <Linforcer> >.>
[04:43] <jeffco> goofrider,  I have no intentions of using 1.02 anymore, now that i have 1.04.
[04:43] <Linforcer> what started that anyway?
[04:43] <LinuxJones> tritium, sorry I lost my cool wiht that freak but he has been harassing the channel for the last 4-5 hours :D
[04:43] <pupe_> join #ubuntu-es
[04:43] <prof_chaos> shoot oliver
[04:43] <mebaran151> ah
[04:43] <mebaran151> he was rather silly
[04:43] <tritium> LinuxJones, no problem.  Please msg or query me anytime that happens.  I'll leave my volume up so I can hear it.
[04:43] <goofrider> jeffco, then just a link to the firefox in your home dir on your desktop
[04:43] <LinuxJones> tritium, awesome thankd dude :)
[04:44] <Linforcer> rather silly? like what? >.>
[04:44] <tritium> Thank you too :)
[04:44] <Linforcer> (no logging)
[04:44] <LinuxJones> er thanks
[04:44] <jeffco> prof_chaos, jeff@ubuntu:~$ firefox
[04:44] <jeffco> *** loading the extensions datasource
[04:44] <jeffco> *** loading the extensions datasource
[04:44] <jeffco>    It opens up 1.02. BUt i don't want to ever use 1.02 anymore, because i have 1.04 already.
[04:44] <goofrider> jeffco, u can modify the panel icon to point to your firefox 1.04, but it's up to u
[04:44] <tritium> I'll be away, but within earshot...
[04:44] <LinuxJones> :D
[04:44] <darkaudit> Linforcer: ranting about the GPL
[04:45] <darkaudit> and that's all I have to say about that :)
[04:45] <mebaran151> jeffco, I think that you have to run it from usr local
[04:45] <mebaran151> do this
[04:45] <Linforcer> darkaudit aaah now I'm interested
[04:45] <Linforcer> darkaudit got log?
[04:45] <mebaran151> check if there is a firefox in /usr/local/bin
[04:45] <mebaran151> if there is
[04:45] <Gatton> She's 8 years old but like the tobacco companies...ya gotta get em young ;-)
[04:45] <jeffco> goofrider, i have already modified the Firefox icons in the panel and in the app folders. I made them point to 1.04.
[04:45] <goofrider> mebaran151, I think we told him to install it to his home dir, not usr/lcal
[04:45] <IcemanV9> is there a way to change theme via CLI?? i couldn't find the answer via google. i must have not use the correct wording.
[04:45] <mebaran151> oh
[04:45] <mebaran151> ok
[04:45] <Linforcer> also poeple how WOULD I install ff 1 04 ? Debian package off it's site?
[04:46] <hey2k5> hey guys, I mounted a fat partition, now when I try to go there, it gives me:
[04:46] <goofrider> Linforcer, he was appparently brainedwashed by FSF
[04:46] <hey2k5> bash: cd: /fat: Permission denied
[04:46] <jeffco> goofrider, If I delete Firefox 1.02 (maybe using synaptic), will this solve any extension conflicts ?
[04:46] <Linforcer> goofrider what's FSF?
[04:46] <mrfoofums> so why can't you move the cursor in textboxes with the arrow keys?
[04:46] <goofrider> Free Software Foundation
[04:46] <jeffco> goofrider, yes, i have it installed in my home dir.
[04:47] <goofrider> jeffco, that's wierd.. and u can start 1.04 from your home dir, but not from your panel icon?
[04:48] <LinuxJones> goofrider, he might have been Richard Stallman's new private secretary :)
[04:48] <cory> Anybody here use Wireless Adapters with Linux?
[04:48] <goofrider> LinuxJones, hell, at least RMS actually understand GPL. He wrote the damn thing
[04:48] <LinuxJones> goofrider, true :D
[04:49] <Linforcer> I read through "a guide to the GPL"
[04:49] <Linforcer> I have a rough idea
[04:49] <Gatton> let me guess..he was claiming it's 'viral'? bad for businesses etc? that seems to be the common GPL ranting I hear
[04:50] <goofrider> Linforcer, well krazykook keeps rambling about all software linked to GPL is bound by the GPL (u know, the good ol "viral" FUD)
[04:50] <jeffco> goofrider, for some reason, without making any changes, i can run firefox 1.04 from the panel icon, now. but when I tried to do so after rebooting and then logging on, nothing would happen...
[04:50] <Linforcer> what about the mere aggregation clause 
[04:50] <goofrider> tFUD that's be disproven (even by RMS himself) yeaars agi
[04:50] <Linforcer> he forgot about that?
[04:50] <goofrider> Linforcer, pls don't start again
[04:50] <goofrider> LOL
[04:51] <jeffco> goofrider, so do you think it will help me if Idelete firefox 1.04 (through synaptic)? To get rid of any conflict extensions?
[04:51] <g14> IcemanV9: Change the gnome theme from the cli? that is pretty easy
[04:51] <goofrider> Linforcer, I don't think he was competent enough to understand that clause, and to see that the mere aggregation clause actually have some beef in it
[04:51] <jeffco> goofrider, correction: not 1.04. I meant 1.02. Will it help if i delete 1.02?
[04:51] <Linforcer> goofrider I see
[04:52] <goofrider> Linforcer, jeffco is a new user as of yesterday, I wouldn't recommed Debian unstable in his sources.list
[04:52] <Linforcer> heh
[04:52] <IcemanV9> g14: yeah? how?
[04:52] <Linforcer> I'm just getting it off site
[04:52] <Linforcer> ;)
[04:52] <goofrider> jeffco, that's not the issue though, u said u can start 1.04 from your home dir
[04:52] <Linforcer> and then dpkg ing it
[04:53] <g14> IcemanV9: It is thanks to gnome's wonderful gconf, give me just a second and I'll get the right command for you
[04:53] <prof_chaos> after I installed 1.04 with 1.02, I noticed about half of the files in 1.04 dir were overwritten with 1.02 version
[04:53] <jeffco> when you say "from your home dir" do you mean: Places-->Home Folder-->etc?
[04:53] <goofrider> jeffco, i think your panel icon isn't pointing to the 1.04 in your home dir at all, it's still pointing to 1.02 in the system
[04:53] <prof_chaos> I didn't investigate and uninstalled 1.02
[04:53] <goofrider> jeffco, yes, It's where u installed 1.0.4 right?
[04:53] <jeffco> goofrider,
[04:54] <IcemanV9> g14: didn't think of gconf at all!
[04:54] <goofrider> prof_chaos, did u use Mozilla's builtin update to upgrade Firefox?
[04:54] <g14> IcemanV9: It is 3 commands, 1 for the icon theme, one for gtk, and one for metacity. Just a second and I'll get them
[04:54] <prof_chaos> no, I installed binarys from mozilla.org
[04:54] <goofrider> prof_chaos, oh lord
[04:55] <goofrider> prof_chaos, that's gonna step all over system files
[04:55] <Linforcer> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mozilla-firefox:
[04:55] <Linforcer>  mozilla-firefox depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21); however:
[04:55] <jeffco> goofrider, i changed the panel icon. I made it point to /home/jeff/firefox-installer/firefox. It is _not_ pointing to 1.02 anymore. It works now. My quesiton is: how come when i rebooted my comp and then tried loading up firefox. it would'nt do anything?
[04:55] <Linforcer> pff
[04:55] <jeffco> goofrider, i have 1.04 in /home/jeff/firefox-installer/firefox
[04:55] <goofrider> jeffco, maybe u need to save your session?
[04:56] <jeffco> why save sessions? i like having a clear desktop when i restart.
[04:56] <goofrider> jeffco, save your session whe u logout. that should make the icon permanently point to 1.0.4
[04:57] <goofrider> jeffco, can u explain to prof_chaos how to install Firefox 1.04 in his home dir?
[04:57] <g14> IcemanV9: gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_theme Clearlooks
[04:57] <bonggnu> anyone has migrated to hoary from debian sid?
[04:57] <g14> IcemanV9: gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/interface/icon_theme Human
[04:57] <jeffco> goofrider, i did not save my session when i logged out, but the icon _is_ pointing to 1.04, you know?
[04:57] <goofrider> jeffco, I was only guessing that the icon get reseted
[04:58] <IcemanV9> goofrider: it shouldn't matter. when you change icon properties to something else, it should be saved right there when done. know what i'm saying?
[04:58] <goofrider> jeffco, right, and there's no reason that it should start firefox after u reboot
[04:58] <g14> IcemanV9: gconftool-2 --type string --set /apps/metacity/general/theme Human
[04:58] <goofrider> IcemanV9, right, u got a bettter explanation?
[04:58] <IcemanV9> g14: cool. thanks.
[04:59] <g14> IcemanV9: I wrote a script to do things like that for a fresh install
[04:59] <jeffco> goofrider,  you wrote "there's no reason that it should start firefox after u reboot"... huh?
[04:59] <goofrider> shouldn't
[04:59] <goofrider> sorry
[04:59] <IcemanV9> goofrider: no. :)
[04:59] <goofrider> IcemanV9, that's why i suggest saving the session, cu that's what the symptom suggest
[05:00] <goofrider> and I have no better explanation than that
[05:00] <IcemanV9> goofrider: strange, but okay. :)
[05:00] <IcemanV9> goofrider: if it works, then it works!
[05:00] <klaus^^^> hello
[05:00] <klaus^^^> there is a debian pacake
[05:00] <klaus^^^> for soundmax adusio driver
[05:01] <goofrider> IcemanV9, if it doesn't, jiggle the cable and kick the CD srive
[05:01] <jeffco> i'm using xchat. can i find a chatroom that talks about skype for linux?
[05:01] <goofrider> debian pancake?
[05:01] <goofrider> yum
[05:01] <klaus^^^> pacage
[05:01] <klaus^^^> package
[05:01] <goofrider> jeffco, search the channel list
[05:01] <klaus^^^> for soundmax audio driver
[05:02] <George__> quite
[05:02] <George__> silent
[05:02] <Linforcer> how do I tell apt to get a file online
[05:02] <Linforcer> (it wants the cd)
[05:02] <George__> apt-get install blah
[05:03] <klaus^^^> hello
[05:03] <klaus^^^> a sound driver for soundmax
[05:03] <Cybermagellan> s/blah/program
[05:03] <klaus^^^> ?
[05:03] <IcemanV9> goofrider: :)
[05:03] <Linforcer> no, it wants to get it off cd
[05:03] <goofrider> klaus^^^, can't find a driver
[05:03] <IIIEars> Hello! - Ubuntu hate i810 vid - (Good Excuse to ditch the old mobo eh?)
[05:03] <goofrider> Linforcer, how about comment out  the cdrom line in sources.list
[05:03] <klaus^^^> i found it on asus web page
[05:04] <klaus^^^> on my mothrbord
[05:04] <klaus^^^> drivers
[05:04] <ilba7r> i am new to ubuntu and was wondering if updates to ubuntu packages include upgrades to new ones or just security updates?
[05:04] <IIIEars> Who is the best retailer to buy motherboards from?
[05:04] <klaus^^^> but it says linux not debian
[05:04] <Linforcer> goofrider sounds like a hassle bit oh well :(
[05:04] <nalioth> ilba7r: updates to both things u mentioned
[05:04] <g14> ilba7r: Security updates only
[05:04] <dead^> how do i install .bin files?
[05:04] <ilba7r> nalioth : so why firefox 1.0.4 is not there
[05:04] <goofrider> Linforcer, whatever, it probbly takes less keystrokes then typing "apt-install blahblahblah"
[05:05] <g14> ilba7r: Security fixes are backported
[05:05] <nalioth> ilba7r: it will show up
[05:05] <IIIEars> never mind wrong forum
[05:05] <ilba7r> g14 : do you know if debian has the same fall back
[05:05] <klaus^^^> hello is there a problem  if it is a linux driver
[05:05] <jeffco> goofrider, how do i search the channel list?
[05:05] <klaus^^^> not a debian driver
[05:05] <goofrider> klaus^^^, is it a kernel module??
[05:05] <klaus^^^> ?
[05:05] <nalioth> ilba7r: we are not so affected by virus and exploits as our windows brethren
[05:05] <goofrider> jeffco, "Windows->Channel List..."
[05:05] <REdsz> if i installed say mozilla-firefox from a normal deb sources, wil that break things
[05:05] <g14> ilba7r: No it doesn't. You can update with debian apt repos to ff 1.04 but that is unsupported and will sometimes break
[05:05] <klaus^^^> i don't know
[05:06] <klaus^^^> take a look
[05:06] <klaus^^^> http://www.asus.com/support/download/item.aspx?ModelName=P4P800S-X&Type=All
[05:06] <REdsz> ok AHH
[05:06] <brokenladder> i just transferred all of my settings files from my old installation to this one, but they are being ignored.  anyone have any idea why?
[05:06] <ilba7r> nalioth : thanx thats why i switched to linux
[05:06] <dead^> how do i install .bin files?
[05:06] <klaus^^^> soundmax audio driver
[05:06] <brokenladder> like xchat is not using my settings for colors and stuff.
[05:06] <goofrider> klaus^^^, well, try google for a soundmax driver for Debian in DEB format
[05:06] <Linforcer> goofrider done I'll keep it like this
[05:06] <IIIEars> nalioth - my 1.5 gig machine gets lower latency and higher FPS than my 2.8g - just because it doesn't carry all of the exploit prevention apps
[05:06] <REdsz> IIIEars, depends what u want
[05:06] <Linforcer> well time to see if my firefox still works all right
[05:06] <IIIEars> AMD with PCIE
[05:07] <REdsz> IIIEars, i can give u lists of new boards ive installed and setup with debian as servers and desktops
[05:07] <goofrider> klaus^^^, if there isn't one, submit a request to the bug report for a soundmax, with the download URL included
[05:07] <dead^> how do i install .bin files?
[05:07] <REdsz> IIIEars, ahh well for example tyan kw8 works, but isnt all supported yet
[05:07] <ilba7r> g14 : thanx for your help g 14 do you think it is worth it then to switch to debian? i think not being able to support new ver. is a fall back on ubuntu do not you think so?
[05:07] <IIIEars> Should i prefer nvidia over ATI?
[05:07] <REdsz> IIIEars, not realy, depends wat ur doing
[05:07] <Linforcer> sure looks like it
[05:07] <klaus^^^> i need to have
[05:08] <klaus^^^> 5.1 in my linux
[05:08] <g14> ilba7r, No, it is not a problem. FF 1.03 and 1.04 are ONLY security updates. Nothing else. Look at the changelogs
[05:08] <IIIEars> oops - kinda stuck likely "Microstar"
[05:08] <klaus^^^> and the automatic
[05:08] <klaus^^^> sound driver
[05:08] <g14> ilba7r, Debian is horrible compared to ubuntu
[05:08] <klaus^^^> that ubuntu instaled
[05:08] <klaus^^^> isn't capable
[05:08] <klaus^^^> for 5.1 sound
[05:08] <IIIEars> possibly Asus
[05:08] <Linforcer> g14 dont say that
[05:08] <ilba7r> g14 : thanx you were great help
[05:08] <REdsz> IIIEars, with the amd64 boards u need to get a list of the components and research them, as things like usb work but things like sata and scsi on tyan k8w isnt fully supported yet
[05:08] <Gatton> klaus, there's instructions in that file to tell you how to do it but it's not simple. you have to compile the module then edit the modules.conf file. so i don't know if you want to do all that
[05:08] <phoenixp3k> Hello world!
[05:09] <g14> Linforcer: Let me rephrase that. Debian is a horrible desktop compared to Ubuntu
[05:09] <goofrider> g14, Woody is outdated, but Sid is fine
[05:09] <REdsz> IIIEars, asus msi abit are fairly popular
[05:09] <Linforcer> g14 debian is suited for other things and poeple
[05:09] <Linforcer> excactly
[05:09] <Linforcer> ^^
[05:09] <phoenixp3k> I can mount floppies. Some info on that?
[05:09] <goofrider> Ubuntu tracks Sid anyways
[05:09] <phoenixp3k> *can't
[05:09] <dead^> FUCKETYFUCKETYFUCK!! how do i install .bin files? i'm to install java here but i don't know how. i checked FAQ on the official page and nothing useful there
[05:09] <klaus^^^> there is an whay
[05:09] <klaus^^^> to have 5.1 sound
[05:09] <klaus^^^> ?
[05:09] <ahuxley> Any more news about the Ubuntu/HP deal?
[05:09] <REdsz> dead^, just chmod +x then ./yourfile.bin
[05:09] <g14> Hopefully, SID will actually be declared stable and the debian folks can work with the ubuntu folks together
[05:09] <Gatton> why not follow the instructions on installing java in the ubuntu guide
[05:09] <goofrider> phoenixp3k, fdmount????
[05:10] <IIIEars> are some  chipsets better than others?
[05:10] <g14> As a big happy family beginning the downfall of the M$ empire
[05:10] <REdsz> yep
[05:10] <_hp_> anyone know of a good FTP client that would allow me to tie a folder on my hard disk to a folder on my server?
[05:10] <goofrider> dead^, http://ubuntuguide.org
[05:10] <Linforcer> g14 before then ubuntu will likely trck the new unstable that will appear
[05:10] <dead^> REds, and that installs it?!!? cannot be. why vouldn't i think of that. thx
[05:10] <IIIEars> heh any tips - (bends one knee and begs)
[05:10] <ahuxley> any news about fw hd ppc booting?
[05:10] <goofrider> dead^, there's a Sun's Java VM install howto on http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki as well
[05:10] <REdsz> IIIEars, like nforce2 works good tyah tests there boards in linux with there new amd64 nforce3/4 chipset boards, all the nforce stuff seems to have growing support
[05:10] <Linforcer> g14 as ubuntu is called "a debian based that aims to be more up to date"
[05:11] <phoenixp3k> goofrider, well when I click of the floppy drive I get this error mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[05:11] <g14> Linforcer: Well I am saying hopefully they will sort of merge. I know about the debian and ubuntu history
[05:11] <LinuxJones> dead^, firsty you can stop cursing, then type sh file.bin in the same directory the file is in.
[05:11] <IIIEars> nforce 3 and 4?
[05:11] <REdsz> IIIEars, amd and via chipsets also arent too bad, just dont pick like sis or ali
[05:11] <goofrider> Linforcer, ubuntu vs Debian = Fedora vs Red Hat
[05:11] <jeffco> goofrider, there are no channels on skype.
[05:11] <IIIEars> not likely but i can dream can't i? :P
[05:11] <brokenladder> is there any way to see the user number of a file instead of the name?  i think i'm having a problem getting my transferred settings to work because the files don't have the right owner, even though they have the same name.
[05:11] <g14> The debian guys are seriously talking about including the ubuntu xorg packages in the next unstable
[05:11] <ryman> I love Ubuntu and its community
[05:11] <ryman> you guys rock
[05:12] <brokenladder> everyone does.
[05:12] <wasabi> I am trying to rsync the ubuntu iso file... i can't find the rsync path to it.
[05:12] <wasabi> any hints?
[05:12] <Linforcer> goofrider I have used neither of the latter distros so I would not know
[05:12] <REdsz> IIIEars, depends wat ur budget is also msi asus abit is good value tyan is expensive
[05:12] <Linforcer> I started with SuSE (ew)
[05:12] <dead^> LinuxJones, no offense, but is asked that four times already and nothing. anybody could loose their temper... right? :)
[05:12] <goofrider> g14, they should ubuntu did a gr8 just getting xorg to work
[05:12] <brokenladder> please..anyone?
[05:12] <goofrider> gr8 job***
[05:12] <brokenladder> i used to use slackware.  i thought it was so cool until i used ubuntu.
[05:12] <LinuxJones> ryman, we are happy to have you aboard :)
[05:13] <REdsz> IIIEars, http://www.tyan.com/products/html/athlon.html the amd-760 chipset has been out a while too
[05:13] <brokenladder> LinuxJones, perhaps you can help me?
[05:13] <Linforcer> brokenladder used that for a few days too
[05:13] <jeffco> maybe there are other chatrooms that i can't find just by using window--> channel list?
[05:13] <brokenladder> i have a pretty simple question i just need help with.
[05:13] <REdsz> IIIEars, if u get the latest kernel for 2.6.x u can see wat drivers and support is in there
[05:13] <goofrider> brokenladder, ls -n
[05:13] <brokenladder> great
[05:13] <tritium> brokenladder, ls -n
[05:13] <ryman> I tried knoppix for 2 hours, then SuSE for another 2 hours, then 5 hours with Mandrake. Then stopped cuz I couldn't get anywhere with LInux. It was a year ago
[05:13] <Linforcer> did Novell Linux Desktop and Debian too
[05:13] <IIIEars> A lot of good info )(tyan offers boards @ $1,400 - wow)
[05:13] <tritium> brokenladder, don't forget the manpages ;)
[05:14] <ryman> I tried Ubuntu about a month ago, loved it. dumped Winxp
[05:14] <Linforcer> my dad tried fedora
[05:14] <goofrider> tritium, no kidding  LOL
[05:14] <Linforcer> he immediately tossed it out
[05:14] <brokenladder> dammit that didn't fix it.
[05:14] <Linforcer> I was like "told you so"
[05:14] <IIIEars> Of course... (should of thought of that)
[05:14] <LinuxJones> dead^, no offense to me, jsut cursing is not reallly appreciated in the channel...do you know where you downloaded the file to ?
[05:14] <brokenladder> can anyone figure out why my old settings files in the home directory aren't being used.  xchat, for instance, isn't obeying any of my settings for things like color.
[05:14] <tritium> LinuxJones, things going well?
[05:14] <REdsz> IIIEars, nah they make a board  at about $800 is the k8e or k8w my cuzin runs a server
[05:14] <brokenladder> i copied them from my old home directory.
[05:15] <goofrider> dead^, I already pointed u to the howto
[05:15] <REdsz> IIIEars, search around on google theres heaps of stuff, if ur going to use stuff like sata make sure theres support for that chipset and drivers and patches before u get a board
[05:15] <nalioth> IIIEars: i want a dual-proc mobo with dual-core amd64x2 support
[05:15] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, yeah ls -ln (n being the user number)
[05:15] <ilba7r> dead have you used this link http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[05:15] <brokenladder> the number is the same
[05:15] <brokenladder> the number is fine
[05:15] <flykes> How can I mount an NTFS windows partion with read/write capability? The one in ubuntuguide shows only how to read (umask=0222)
[05:15] <dead^> LinuxJones, I can figure that one by myself, but i didn't know that i need chmod and that was my problem really
[05:16] <brokenladder> you probably can't safely write to an ntfs partition.
[05:16] <brokenladder> i think it will eat your data for lunch if you try.
[05:16] <goofrider> flykes, NTFS write support in linux is.. um.. risky
[05:16] <dead^> goofrider, yes, thank you and i appreciate it
[05:16] <Simpleton> Man
[05:16] <Simpleton> I love ubuntu
[05:16] <brokenladder> everyone loves ubuntu.  it's like that raymond guy.
[05:16] <LinuxJones> dead^, do ou remember what fiel you downloaded ?
[05:16] <Linforcer> xD
[05:16] <Linforcer> totally
[05:16] <Simpleton> After playing around with debian for about a week I still hadnt got everything working just right
[05:16] <_hp_> i'm looking for a good ftp client for gnome... any suggestions?
[05:16] <IIIEars> Dual Core Processors (stop now! or i will begin to drool)
[05:16] <goofrider> dead^, np. It's just that's it's a common question and it's already all written out for u. but if u need more help feel free to ask
[05:16] <LinuxJones> *you
[05:16] <REdsz> IIIEars, obviously u pay more for tyan but the features and power does outweigh the others
[05:16] <Simpleton> Ubuntu comes on working fine off the bat
[05:17] <brokenladder> dual core processors is the market where Intel will crush AMD, who doesn't have the fab capacity to keep up.
[05:17] <LinuxJones> hi tritium :)
[05:17] <Linforcer> Welll not always
[05:17] <tritium> LinuxJones, hey
[05:17] <flykes> goofrider, darn.. I don't have space in the linux partition
[05:17] <Linforcer> both my dad and friend had problems with the horizontal sync rate
[05:17] <IIIEars> If your business relies on it - a few hundred dollars is worth it.
[05:17] <goofrider> brokenladder, Intel has 5-10x fab capacity.
[05:17] <goofrider> but that's off-topic
[05:17] <REdsz> IIIEars, if ur to get an nforce based chipset board, then get the nforce4 ultra not just nforce4 http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_list.asp?class=mb&cpu=3
[05:18] <dead^> goofrider, yes thanks again. i usually have problems to find anything useful on the internet. but thanks again
[05:18] <IIIEars> You read my mind.
[05:18] <brokenladder> yeah, my friend is on the BIOS division at Intel in Folsom.
[05:18] <Linforcer> another friend had a problem with his bios needing an update
[05:18] <nalioth> IIIEars: not just dual core, but a 2 proc board with 2 dual-proc cpus
[05:18] <nalioth> IIIEars: that adds up to 4 cpus onboard
[05:18] <REdsz> amd has a nice fab lab in germany
[05:18] <LinuxJones> tritium, things are going great but it's almost sleepy-time :)
[05:18] <tritium> LinuxJones, yep, for me too.
[05:18] <goofrider> dead^, u'r welcome
[05:18] <LinuxJones> ;D
[05:18] <dead^> LinuxJones, you mean file? yes, i do but what that got to do with it?
[05:19] <BrettMeister> How do I get to the grub.conf in ubuntu?
[05:19] <tritium> BrettMeister, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:19] <brokenladder> does "cp" overwrite?
[05:19] <goofrider> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:19] <BrettMeister> Ahhhh.  Thanks.
[05:19] <kanuha> _hp_, gftp
[05:19] <Linforcer> I have a reason to hate grub
[05:19] <tritium> BrettMeister, dont forget to run '
[05:19] <BrettMeister> tritium: Thanks.
[05:19] <goofrider> I <3 grub
[05:19] <tritium> sudo update-grub after you edit it
[05:19] <Linforcer> it sucks for poeple who use windows
[05:19] <g14> Linforcer: Because it is technically much better than lilo and you are a lilo developer?
[05:20] <Linforcer> g14 xD no
[05:20] <_hp_> kanuha, thanks
[05:20] <LinuxJones> dead^, ok all you have to do is in console type cd path_to_your_file (not figuratively) then type sh file.bin
[05:20] <goofrider> Linforcer, yeah but NTLDR sucks for anyone with half a clue about boot processes
[05:20] <Linforcer> goofrider guess thats what I meant
[05:20] <brokenladder> does anyone have any clue why my hidden settings files that i've copied from my old home directory, are not working in my new system?
[05:20] <dead^> LinuxJones, thanks again
[05:21] <IIIEars> goofrider is it possible to easily tweak NTLDR to boot Ubuntu?
[05:21] <LinuxJones> dead^, GL :)
[05:21] <tritium> brokenladder, when did you copy them?
[05:21] <goofrider> Linforcer, grub would be as easy to use as NTLDR if we take out all options and force the user to boot from /hda1
[05:21] <Linforcer> but LILO has less probs with NTLDR, right?
[05:21] <goofrider> as NTLDR does
[05:21] <brokenladder> just now.
[05:21] <[freebsd> So like. I got the file copying section of the installation done with, after changing the harddrive. Now it hangs afterwards, where I beleive it's installing the Boot Manager. Its a Maxtor 41gb HD, very standard CD drive, 256mb ram, celeron 2.5ghz proc. Any ideas?
[05:21] <Simpleton> Whats a good music player for ubuntu
[05:21] <Linforcer> well I mean
[05:21] <brokenladder> i did it from terminal, not from within gnome
[05:21] <[freebsd> XMMS, AmaroK
[05:21] <tritium> brokenladder, did you source them?
[05:21] <brokenladder> Simpleton, xmms, beep-media-player, or rthymbox
[05:21] <klaus^^^> hello there anyoane ot there that has an ideea how to activate the 5.1 sound on my sound max adi1888 sound card
[05:21] <klaus^^^> ?
[05:21] <brokenladder> huh?
[05:22] <Simpleton> I like xmms, but it doesnt havfe a media library
[05:22] <tritium> brokenladder, which files are you talking about?
[05:22] <IIIEars> lol - i guess not.. - yep i am a newb - (grabs a sharpie and tatoos forehead.
[05:22] <Simpleton> It would be perfect with that
[05:22] <goofrider> IIIEars, u can chainload using NTLDR to boot the linux boot sector, which in turn boot grub.lilo
[05:22] <brokenladder> tritium, all of the files beginning with . in my home directory.
[05:22] <brokenladder> the settings files.
[05:22] <super_dude2> i have downloaded limwire pro but i cant run it because it cant find my java how do i tell it where it is i used to have the older version limwire running but i cant get pro to work?????
[05:22] <brokenladder> like the .xchat2 directory, it isn't working.
[05:22] <[freebsd> So like. I got the file copying section of the installation done with, after changing the harddrive. Now it hangs afterwards, where I beleive it's installing the Boot Manager. Its a Maxtor 41gb HD, very standard CD drive, 256mb ram, celeron 2.5ghz proc. Any ideas?
[05:22] <goofrider> IIIEars, but it's better to let lilo/grub to be the naster boot loader
[05:22] <brokenladder> xchat is not using my settings.
[05:22] <klaus^^^> hello there anyoane ot there that has an ideea how to activate the 5.1 sound on my sound max adi1888 sound card
[05:22] <IIIEars> just point to the first partition on the second drive?
[05:22] <tritium> brokenladder, if you just copied them, files such as ~/.bashrc won't "take effect" unless you source them or open new shells
[05:23] <Linforcer> when Windoze is installed in hda2 for instace and hda1 is a non-FAT partition, windozo will be like "OMG THIS IS C" which causes problems when grub usus it as hda2
[05:23] <brokenladder> source?
[05:23] <Zatoichi> check permissions, brokenladder
[05:23] <tritium> brokenladder, e.g., source ~/.bashrc
[05:23] <brokenladder> i fixed the permissions and chown
[05:23] <Zatoichi> owner I should say
[05:23] <clausme> hello there anyoane ot there that has an ideea how to activate the 5.1 sound on my sound max adi1888 sound card
[05:23] <brokenladder> what does source do?
[05:23] <Zatoichi> my UIDs were different when I did the same
[05:23] <goofrider> Zatoichi, he checked UID already. +1 for him
[05:23] <IIIEars> goofrider - been fighting with grub all afternoon - there are a doxen ways at least to screw it up - i have tried eleven.
[05:23] <Linforcer> (damn my typing, still getting used to dvorak)
[05:23] <[freebsd> So like. I got the file copying section of the installation done with, after changing the harddrive. Now it hangs afterwards, where I beleive it's installing the Boot Manager. Its a Maxtor 41gb HD, very standard CD drive, 256mb ram, celeron 2.5ghz proc. Any ideas?
[05:23] <clausme> tritium
[05:24] <super_dude2> i have downloaded limwire pro but i cant run it because it cant find my java how do i tell it where it is i used to have the older version limwire running but i cant get pro to work?????
[05:24] <Linforcer> IIIEars tru dat
[05:24] <brokenladder> Zatoichi, i checked the uid's.
[05:24] <tritium> hi clausme
[05:24] <goofrider> IIIEars, but the kewl thing it, u can fix all 12 by using grub shell :)
[05:24] <brokenladder> ls -ln reports that they are all correct.
[05:24] <brokenladder> Linforcer, i've been using dvorak for six years.
[05:24] <brokenladder> it rocks.
[05:24] <brokenladder> it's so worth it.
[05:24] <tritium> clausme, what's the problem?
[05:24] <[freebsd> So like. I got the file copying section of the installation done with, after changing the harddrive. Now it hangs afterwards, where I beleive it's installing the Boot Manager. Its a Maxtor 41gb HD, very standard CD drive, 256mb ram, celeron 2.5ghz proc. Any ideas?
[05:24] <prof_chaos> brokenladder, source reads a file and executes it.
[05:24] <clausme> hello there anyoane ot there that has an ideea how to activate the 5.1 sound on my sound max adi1888 sound card
[05:24] <ilba7r> ok thanx for your help guys bye for now
[05:24] <clausme> the same problem
[05:25] <clausme> can't configure 5.1
[05:25] <Linforcer> brokenladder I noticed richt away that I love where the ' , and . are
[05:25] <super_dude2> i have downloaded limwire pro but i cant run it because it cant find my java how do i tell it where it is i used to have the older version limwire running but i cant get pro to work?????
[05:25] <goofrider> [freebsd, changing hard drive?
[05:25] <g14> brokenladder: Why is dvorak better? It must be a pain when using any other computer but your own
[05:25] <IIIEars> << Back to Google for another grub "Howto" - sigh
[05:25] <Linforcer> I edited the layout though xD
[05:25] <[freebsd> As in, putting in a new PHYSICAL drive
[05:25] <brokenladder> gl4 no, you just select dvorak on whatever computer you are using.
[05:25] <Linforcer> added deadkeys and 
[05:25] <brokenladder> like at work in my hospital.
[05:26] <Linforcer> brokenladder not if ya dont type blind
[05:26] <brokenladder> dvorak is just so much more convenient.  you don't have to move your fingers so much because your home row keys are the ones most frequently used.
[05:26] <brokenladder> lol
[05:26] <brokenladder> what kind of monkey doesn't type blind?
[05:26] <brokenladder> that's moronic.
[05:26] <brokenladder> i took typing in 7th grade.
[05:26] <goofrider> [freebsd, well what hardware? and did u try installing AGAIN?
[05:26] <super_dude2> i have downloaded limwire pro but i cant run it because it cant find my java how do i tell it where it is i used to have the older version limwire running but i cant get pro to work?????
[05:26] <goofrider> [freebsd, it was only stage 1 of the installation anyways
[05:26] <tritium> super_dude2, please don't repeat so often
[05:26] <jeffco> to all: how can i connect my PDAs (one is Palm OS, the other is PocketPC2000 OS) to my Ubuntu-running computer?
[05:26] <brokenladder> i couldn't get limewire to work in ubuntu.  then again i didn't try all that hard.
[05:26] <super_dude2> ok
[05:26] <goofrider> brokenladder, I can't type blind. I'm a 2-finger tyypist
[05:26] <tritium> super_dude2, did you install java?
[05:27] <[freebsd> I've tried installing roughly 15 times now.. Its now successfully copying files and everything, and hangs right after
[05:27] <goofrider> brokenladder, and I've used computer for over a decade
[05:27] <goofrider> brokenladder, so what kind of monkey am I?
[05:27] <brokenladder> a big one
[05:27] <g14> super_dude2, try gtk-gnutella it is a gnutella client just like limewire and it's actually free (as in freedom)
[05:27] <brokenladder> learn to type dude for hell's sake
[05:27] <brokenladder> that's just sheer laziness.
[05:27] <brokenladder> you're not only a monkey, but a lazy one at that.  go have a banan.
[05:27] <brokenladder> banana even
[05:27] <super_dude2> yes of corse i did i had limwire b4 and it worked fine
[05:27] <goofrider> brokenladder, watever, we have spellcheckers
[05:27] <brokenladder> lal
[05:28] <brokenladder> lol
[05:28] <brokenladder> ack
[05:28] <goofrider> hahahha
[05:28] <[freebsd> syn
[05:28] <[freebsd> fin
[05:28] <g14> rst
[05:28] <clausme> tritium read my private mesage
[05:28] <Linforcer> brokenladder limewire is simple if you follow ubuntuguide >.>
[05:28] <g14> this convo needs rst
[05:28] <brokenladder> why should one have to read ubuntu's guide about installing a program.  the program's readme should do.
[05:29] <Linforcer> hmm, I only just considered the appeal of a girl covered in soft pettable fur
[05:29] <[freebsd> uhm.
[05:29] <Linforcer> >.>
[05:29] <[freebsd> ew?
[05:29] <[freebsd> RAZOR!
[05:29] <brokenladder> distros need to start being more standardized so things work the same in all distros
[05:29] <[freebsd> Um
[05:29] <goofrider> super_dude2, maybe the copy of limewire pro hardcoded the location of Java
[05:29] <[freebsd> That defeats the points of distros
[05:29] <super_dude2> if i tell it where my java is it runs and then says permision denied if i let it have the permissions it erases the java and puts a txt file saying limwire!
[05:29] <brokenladder> in a way, yes.
[05:29] <brokenladder> but not totally.
[05:29] <super_dude2> no i can edit it
[05:30] <sir-gold> you can start within the distro, like having a common window theme setting between all X apps
[05:30] <Linforcer> brokenladder http://www.unitedlinux.com/
[05:30] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, because most people have never heard of a readme file ?
[05:30] <IIIEars> Linforcer - have you ever slept with an Itallian women?
[05:30] <super_dude2> it starts off like this
[05:30] <super_dude2> export J2SE_PREEMPTCLOSE=1
[05:30] <super_dude2> java -version 2> /home/lukes/limejava/bin/java
[05:30] <brokenladder> Italian even
[05:30] <super_dude2> see where i have edited it
[05:30] <brokenladder> I like saying it, "I taliunn"
[05:30] <brokenladder> like a hick
[05:30] <Linforcer> IIIEars its not the same , also, no, I have with a Spanish tough
[05:30] <super_dude2> then it does if statements
[05:30] <[freebsd> How would i clean my MBR off compeltely?
[05:31] <rob52> When I try to play an MP3 with Music Player it says codec missing
[05:31] <IIIEars> Spanish okay - not nearly as "furry" - grin
[05:31] <[freebsd> dude
[05:31] <brokenladder> i found the problem with my settings!  when i copied over the settings files, current files didn't get over-written.
[05:31] <[freebsd> Rob, RTFM
[05:31] <brokenladder> wtf
[05:31] <brokenladder> how can i cp .* from one directory to another so that files get overwritten
[05:31] <goofrider> brokenladder, HAHAHAHAHAHHA
[05:31] <tritium> rob52, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/RestrictedFormats
[05:31] <Zatoichi> man cp
[05:31] <LinuxJones> rob52, check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:32] <goofrider> brokenladder, wrong permissions?
[05:32] <samuel> hello
[05:32] <brokenladder> i did cp -R /mnt/old_hard_drive_home/user/* /home/user/*
[05:32] <brokenladder> no, the permissions are fine.
[05:32] <brokenladder> it didn't overwrite the old files
[05:32] <goofrider> brokenladder, that's so weird
[05:32] <brokenladder> oh!
[05:32] <[freebsd> How would i clean my MBR off compeltely?
[05:32] <brokenladder> i should have done cp -rf
[05:32] <brokenladder> perhaps
[05:32] <samuel> anyone know how to enable the speedstep in p4 processors?
[05:32] <samuel> what module do i need in the kernel?
[05:32] <goofrider> [freebsd, why do u wanna make your system unbooteable?
[05:32] <clausme> how do i swich line in and mic into line out
[05:32] <brokenladder> what is that?  i have a p4
[05:32] <[freebsd> Goo,
[05:32] <brokenladder> lol
[05:33] <goofrider> brokenladder, cp -a
[05:33] <[freebsd> as in overwrite the MBR. Boot off cd, get the MBR rewritten
[05:33] <brokenladder> what does the -a do?
[05:33] <samuel> brokenladder, i mean the M p4 versions
[05:33] <shad0w1e> could someone maybe suggest what to do to get my ethernet working? I've tried multiple adapters and it wont work. Moving the installation into another computer fixes everything -- why wont it work on this machine?
[05:33] <goofrider> perserve all permission , uid/gid, links, etc
[05:33] <brokenladder> i don't want a backup
[05:33] <shad0w1e> running dmesg I get this which is probably relevant
[05:33] <shad0w1e> tulip_stop_rxtx() failed
[05:33] <shad0w1e> NETDEV_WATCHDOG: eth0: operation times outub
[05:33] <IIIEars> freebsd - dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/yourdrive bs=512 or 446
[05:33] <clausme> how do i swich line in and mic into line out
[05:34] <IIIEars> count 1
[05:34] <samuel> brokenladder, to step up or down the processor speed
[05:35] <goofrider> [freebsd, then just boot from cd and overwrite MBR
[05:35] <goofrider> [freebsd, there's NO NEED to erase it
[05:35] <ryman> k this is weird
[05:35] <[freebsd> Goo
[05:35] <ryman> there is music playing on my comp
[05:35] <rob52> Thanks for the info
[05:35] <[freebsd> If its hanging on installing the bootloader, what else should i try?
[05:35] <ryman> and I don't even have anything on like xmms, mplayer ...
[05:35] <dead^> what does mean if KDE says "Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from blabla/Application.jar"?
[05:35] <super_dude2> and you where saying about it being hardcoded it starts off before i edit it as /dev/null
[05:35] <ryman> whats the command to know what programs I'm running ?
[05:35] <LinuxJones> night everybody
[05:35] <goofrider> [freebsd, it's the an exisitng MBR that hangs it.
[05:35] <[freebsd> ps -ea
[05:36] <[freebsd> Goof, so wouldnt overwriting the MBR with zeros help that?
[05:36] <goofrider> [freebsd, u can manually install grub if u wish
[05:36] <[freebsd> Does the installer do anything after copying files and installing grub?
[05:36] <goofrider> [freebsd, it's NOT an exisitng MBR that hangs it.
[05:36] <goofrider> my bad
[05:36] <[freebsd> gah.
[05:36] <[freebsd> lol
[05:36] <[freebsd> So what hangs it
[05:36] <ryman> can someone help me ?
[05:37] <sir-gold> what about boot sector virus protection in the bios?
[05:37] <goofrider> [freebsd, after that, it boot from HDD, then install the rest of the packages from CD
[05:37] <Linforcer> ryman you could run the system monitor
[05:37] <goofrider> [freebsd, the first stage only copy a minimal system on your HDD and bott from it
[05:38] <[freebsd> The problem is that when I attempt a boot, it defaults to boot from my PREVIOUS lilo, and thus fubars
[05:38] <[freebsd> i tried booting at this stage, instantly hits it there
[05:38] <cory> Anyone know if the Rev.B driver issue for D-Link DWL-G520 Wireless Adapters has been fixed?
[05:38] <sir-gold> [freebsd: does your bios setup have a virus protection setting?
[05:38] <goofrider> [freebsd, I don;t know what hangs it, maybe someone has a better idea. But I would Ctrl-F2/F3 in the installer to go to a cmd prompt, and see what's up
[05:39] <[freebsd> No
[05:39] <ryman> Linforcer, whats the command for it ?
[05:39] <redneck-> Hello
[05:39] <redneck-> finally I Installed Ubuntu
[05:39] <[freebsd> brby then
[05:39] <Gatton> welcome redneck
[05:39] <IIIEars_afk> redneck - Welcome!
[05:39] <Gatton> with a nick like that i wonder if you're from my part of the world ;)
[05:39] <DNA`> hi, whats the default root password on a fresh install of hedgehog?
[05:39] <prof_chaos> ryman, try "ps -aef"
[05:39] <goofrider> [freebsd, u can run grub manually from the alt cmd shell as well and install grub manually
[05:40] <_hp_> DNA`, root? in ubuntu?
[05:40] <goofrider> DNA there's no root password
[05:40] <ryman> prof_chaos, thanks I found it in the menu
[05:40] <Linforcer> ryman Im trying to find out xD I have a bandwidth/cpu usage applet ruuning on my panel and I can rightclick it and choose "open system monitor")
[05:40] <DNA`> what should i do then to run apps that need root?
[05:40] <_hp_> DNA`, the apps will run
[05:40] <_hp_> open yourself a root terminal from the apps menu
[05:40] <sir-gold> DNA`:  put sudo before the line
[05:40] <ryman> Linforcer, to go APplications - System Tools - System Monitor
[05:40] <Linforcer> gnome-system-monitor
[05:40] <goofrider> DNA`, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:41] <dead^> what does it mean when KDE says "Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from blabla/Application.jar"? have I done something wrong?
[05:41] <clausme> crimsun
[05:41] <_hp_> this whole rootless thing is pretty good...
[05:41] <clausme> are you here
[05:41] <DNA`> but isn't that considered not secure?:)
[05:41] <tritium> DNA`, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:41] <sir-gold> root is insecure
[05:41] <tritium> it's more secure
[05:41] <Gatton> celebrity jeopardy on SNL sweet
[05:41] <_hp_> is there a gnome applet that will tell me the temp. of my athlon?
[05:41] <DNA`> alright thanks
[05:41] <goofrider> dead^, must be a bad classpath
[05:42] <tritium> DNA`, hopefully that'll qualm your fears about sudo
[05:42] <clausme> crimsun,
[05:42] <DNA`> first time i used ubuntu i had to goto linux single and change the root passwd :D
[05:42] <clausme> crimsun
[05:42] <phoenixp3k> got an easy question now
[05:42] <DNA`> _hp_ yeah there is, but you need lm sensors i think
[05:42] <phoenixp3k> how do I add a program in the Internet sub-menu ?
[05:42] <Xenguy> DNA`: it's all debatable; just read the documentation for the rationale, then make up your own mind :-)
[05:42] <sir-gold> DNA`:  you can set the root password by typing 'sudo passwd'
[05:42] <tritium> DNA`, well, you didn't _have_ to.  You decided to.
[05:42] <dead^> goofrider, so now i just have to google what's a class path :D
[05:42] <goofrider> phoenixp3k, install smeg from backports and u can edit the gnome app menu as u like
[05:43] <DNA`> tritium i had to because i didn't know! ;)
[05:43] <goofrider> dead^, check the script that starts Limewire
[05:43] <_hp_> i am getting fine without it... ubuntu is the first linux distro that has enabled me to just delete windows completely
[05:43] <tritium> DNA`, okay.  :)
[05:43] <[freebsd> SOO! I dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 'ed, and i still booted to Lilo.
[05:43] <[freebsd> Wtf.
[05:43] <prof_chaos> phoenixp3k, you can install menu-editor
[05:43] <Gatton> night tritium
[05:43] <dead^> goofrider, aye. thanks
[05:43] <jdub> live.slug.org.au
[05:43] <phoenixp3k> goofrider got backports and it's not listed
[05:43] <jdub> :-)
[05:43] <DNA`> goodnight
[05:43] <drummer> hi.. i'm setting up lirk to work for my tvcard, following a guide on the forums. i'm now running make modules and seeing a lot of files *.o.. shouldn't these be *.ko ???
[05:44] <cory> How do I disable my current manager?
[05:44] <jdub> you may see me there, at the edu expo in sydney
[05:44] <goofrider> dead^,  all JARs in ./limewire/lib must be included in the CLASSPATH env
[05:44] <tritium>  night Gatton
[05:44] <cory> window manager
[05:44] <phoenixp3k> prof_chaos, still not listed in synaptic
[05:44] <cory> how do I disable my current window manager? :)
[05:44] <goofrider> dead^, in the script, that is. So the script might be pointing to wrong location
[05:44] <sir-gold> [freebsd: boot from a win98 floppy and run 'fdisk /mbr' that will put in a dos mbr, then you should be able to overwrite that with grub
[05:44] <goofrider> dead^, goto java,sun.com and check the JVM classpath doco
[05:44] <ryman> is there any program to test HD to see if there is anything wrong with it ?
[05:44] <prof_chaos> phoenixp3k, try menueditor
[05:44] <[freebsd> Too bad I dun have a win98 floppy
[05:45] <redneck-> However I am trying to move a folder to icons and I can't Error:(you do not have permissions to write to this folder)?
[05:45] <prof_chaos> phoenixp3k, I mean from synaptic
[05:45] <sir-gold> [freebsd: 98 cd?
[05:45] <Gatton> [freebsd, http://www.bootdisk.com
[05:45] <drummer> someone?
[05:45] <goofrider> [freebsd, u overwrote your MBR, and it still boots?
[05:45] <cory> Can anyone tell me how to disable my current Window Manager?
[05:46] <dead^> goofrider, well thanks again :)
[05:46] <goofrider> drummer, where di d u get the module soruces?
[05:46] <[freebsd> i did
[05:46] <[freebsd> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdc bs=512 count=1
[05:46] <[freebsd> er
[05:46] <[freebsd> hda
[05:46] <[freebsd> and yes, it booted.
[05:46] <goofrider> [freebsd, there's a ghost in the maschine
[05:46] <redneck-> However I am trying to move a folder to icons and I can't Error:(you do not have permissions to write to this folder) can ayone tell me how I cant copy the folder?
[05:46] <drummer> synaptic: linux-source-2.6.10
[05:46] <goofrider> [freebsd, u need an exocist
[05:47] <phoenixp3k> prof_chaos, I looked for it in synaptic, did apt-get update prior
[05:47] <[freebsd> goof, stfu :(
[05:47] <[freebsd> im sad.
[05:47] <kanuha> can someone tell me what this means and how to get around it? checking for KDE... configure: error:
[05:47] <kanuha> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[05:47] <kanuha> sorsis, check this please and use another prefix!
[05:47] <goofrider> drummer, no, the module sources
[05:48] <goofrider> drummer, why exactly r u compile module/kernel?
[05:48] <prof_chaos> phoenixp3k, do you can universe and multiverse repositories activated?
[05:48] <drummer> goofrider, to include modules for lirc to work
[05:48] <goofrider> kanuha, what contect?
[05:48] <goofrider> context
[05:48] <drummer> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30612&highlight=lirc
[05:48] <goofrider> drummer, and did u get the lirc module sources from apt-get?
[05:49] <phoenixp3k> prof_chaos, they should be, I mean I added repositories from Ubuntu Unofficial guide page
[05:49] <Zatoichi> redneck, are you the owner of the directory?
[05:50] <kanuha> goofrider, trying to do a ./configure on ktvschedule
[05:50] <drummer> not yet
[05:50] <goofrider> kanuha, u need kde headers
[05:51] <bretzel> Hello agin all:-) I am wondering why the GCC is so adavnced and STILL DON'T DISPLAY THE NAME OF THE TOKEN THAT CAUSE COMPILATION ERROR!!!
[05:51] <Gatton> wow skin on SNL about Oracle lol
[05:51] <goofrider> kanuha, and pls check to see if ktvschedule is avail in DEB somewhere on the web b4 u install from source
[05:51] <Gatton> er skit rather
[05:51] <goofrider> drummer, there **is*** a lirc-source package
[05:51] <redneck-> Zatoichi I am the only one that uses this pc
[05:51] <goofrider> drummer, lirc-modules-source
[05:51] <kanuha> goofrider, thanks i'll check
[05:51] <prof_chaos> phoenixp3k, try ... wget http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[05:52] <goofrider> drummer, is there any reason u are compiling from pristine upstream source?
[05:52] <daniels> tritium: everything OK?
[05:52] <tritium> daniels, yes, everything good now.
[05:52] <daniels> cool
[05:52] <goofrider> drummer, if not. please apt-get install lirc-modules-source module-assistant
[05:52] <drummer> goofrider, you've lost me.. i'm a n00b with modules and source n stuff
[05:52] <tritium> daniels, it got a little crazy earlier, however
[05:53] <fragdoll> hi guys new to linux/ just wondering if there is any site that offers free linux how to video? for learning
[05:53] <goofrider> drummer, well, your should compile modules from sources provided by Ubuntu whenever possible
[05:53] <goofrider> so do this `sudo apt-get install lirc-modules-source module-assistant`
[05:53] <Zatoichi> redneck-, no quite what I mean. Try this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_permissions
[05:53] <drummer> i am.. i think
[05:54] <drummer> i'll do that
[05:54] <daniels> tritium: eep
[05:54] <tritium> daniels, yeah...
[05:54] <[freebsd> Sooo. Still booting after multiple attempts and methods of overwriting the mbr.
[05:55] <drummer> goofrider, how do i then compile the lirc modules?
[05:55] <redneck-> Zatoichi I am the only one that uses this pc the folder should be mine since I am the only user
[05:55] <goofrider> drummer, when it's done, do `sudo m-a a-i lirc-modules`, that should download all required headers, compile the module and install it for u
[05:55] <drummer> thanks
[05:55] <goofrider> kanuha, if u'r paying attention, what I told drummer is the Debian/Ubuntu way to compile modules
[05:56] <goofrider> kanuha, umight find that useful
[05:57] <drummer> goofrider, i started running make modules after following a post on the forums.. should i leave that run (whatever it's doing) then do 'sudo m-a a-i lirc-modules'? or can i interrupt it?
[05:57] <Gatton> wow that's a lot of bans :)
[05:57] <daniels> there we go, got a fair bit of latitude in there now
[05:57] <goofrider> u can interrupt that
[05:57] <drp_> hi
[05:58] <drummer> just close the terminal window? won't do anything nasty?
[05:58] <drp_> ??
[05:58] <phoenixp3k> prof_chaos, thanks, link didn't work but found it back
[05:58] <redneck-> Zatoichi I see I am not the owner but how do I change permissions so that I can write to it?
[05:58] <goofrider> drummer, and if u untared the lirc module src in /usr/src, delete/move them for now. apt might overwrite it
[05:59] <goofrider> drummer, Ctrl-C
[05:59] <Zatoichi> chwon redneck /path/to/directory/
[05:59] <Zatoichi> chown
[05:59] <prof_chaos> phoenixp3k, glad you found it
[06:01] <[freebsd> omgz0r, its STILL BOOTING AFTER FDISK /MBR
[06:01] <[freebsd> AND BOOTING TO LILO
[06:01] <[freebsd> :'(
[06:01] <goofrider> [freebsd, spooky
[06:01] <redneck-> Zatoichi It worked thanks
[06:02] <goofrider> [freebsd, i think u should try a sector editor
[06:02] <[freebsd> like?
[06:02] <goofrider> [freebsd, and BTW, r u sure u don't have some DIsk MAnager installed on the HDD?
[06:03] <mainer> pc-bsd was real slow for me,but,it's not really freebsd,i guess
[06:03] <goofrider> [freebsd, some HDD installation floppy install a disk manager (basically a BIOS chain-loader for accessing large drive) by default
[06:03] <levander> there is a firefox hotkey to switch search engines? in the search engine toolbar?
[06:03] <wasabi> How do I make the Ubuntu installer do a network install?
[06:04] <goofrider> [freebsd, which means the disk manager gets loaded b5 the MBR bootloader, and your real MBR becomes somewhere else
[06:04] <Cygnia> levander:Cntrl-Down Arrow
[06:04] <goofrider> wasabi, as in, downloading from internet?
[06:04] <wasabi> yes
[06:04] <nalioth> wasabi: i'm not sure there is a network install for ubuntu
[06:04] <[freebsd> well
[06:04] <[freebsd> then
[06:04] <[freebsd> crap.
[06:04] <wasabi> im sure i can make the installer get packages from apt
[06:04] <wasabi> somehow
[06:05] <ekCo> anyone know how to get xmms on 64bit?
[06:05] <cory> Where is the .xinitrc file located in ubuntu?
[06:05] <goofrider> wasabi, well, u already have the Ubuntu installer CD, why would u need netinsstall?
[06:05] <wasabi> cd can't seem to validate a few packages.
[06:05] <wasabi> im guessing it's just slightly damaged
[06:05] <wasabi> rest of installer works except for that part.
[06:05] <drp_> how to install gcc
[06:05] <ekCo> is there a 64bit music player, which can support mp3's etc?
[06:05] <goofrider> [freebsd, the only way u can tell is using a. the HDD installer floppy, or b. a disk editor and look at the sector data in HEX)
[06:06] <goofrider> wasabi, just intsall it anyways
[06:06] <levander> Cygnia, thanks, it would be nice if I could switch to a specific search engine with a specific hot key rather than cycling through them all though
[06:06] <nalioth> wasabi: it does update itself during install, but not sure you have a bare minimum net install (like plain debian)
[06:06] <ekCo> is there a 64bit music player, which can support mp3's etc?
[06:06] <goofrider> wasabi, then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop when it's done. it should go online and redownload the broken packages
[06:06] <Cygnia> levander:suggest creating keyword searches in the location bar instead
[06:06] <nalioth> drp, the pkg is called "build-essential"
[06:07] <levander> Cygnia: keyword searches?
[06:07] <Stereo> does the live portion of the warty official dvd contain nothing more than the live cd?
[06:07] <goofrider> wasabi, assuming your installer get past the bebootstrap phase and reboot from HDD
[06:08] <goofrider> there's a warty DVD?
[06:08] <Cygnia> levander:you can set the location bar so entering e.g. "imdb Movie Title" does the search.
[06:09] <cory> Could anyone please tell me where the .xinitrc file is in ubuntu?
[06:09] <levander> Cygnia: thanks, i'm googling it now
[06:09] <Zatoichi> cory /etc/X11/xinit
[06:09] <levander> to figure out how to do it
[06:09] <cory> thank you :) Zatoichi
[06:09] <goofrider> :)
[06:09] <nalioth> cory in your home folder?
[06:09] <Zatoichi> I don't think that will help you much though
[06:10] <ekCo> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad - has broken packages..
[06:10] <ekCo> what can i do?
[06:11] <Stereo> goofrider: yeah, http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/dvd/current/
[06:11] <nalioth> ekCo: you can build the broken pkgs from source
[06:11] <ekCo> how?
[06:11] <redneck-> mmm
[06:11] <nalioth> ekCo apt-get will build from source. then you can use dpkg to install the deb it makes
[06:11] <redneck-> How can I log as root in Ubuntu
[06:12] <nalioth> redneck-: sudo
[06:12] <calc> sudo su -
[06:12] <goofrider> redneck-, suo su -
[06:12] <ekCo> wheres the deb though ahah
[06:12] <goofrider> redneck-, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSuDo
[06:12] <goofrider> redneck-, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:12] <goofrider> ekCo, broken **packages**? or brpken dependencies?
[06:12] <redneck-> not on the terminal on the GUI?
[06:13] <ekCo> E: Broken packages
[06:13] <nalioth> ekCo: in whatever dir you start in
[06:13] <Stereo> redneck-: if you want to execute a gui program as root, open an xterm and type sudo theprogram
[06:13] <Stereo> e.g. sudo ethereal
[06:13] <goofrider> ekCo, but can't u jsut redownload the package then?
[06:13] <redneck-> uff
[06:13] <ekCo> erm but from where?
[06:14] <redneck-> I wanted to change icons
[06:14] <nalioth> goofrider: there are several broken pkgs for some users for gstreamer-mad
[06:14] <goofrider> nalioth, oh it's a known issue.
[06:14] <redneck-> It looks like is going to be a pain in the butt
[06:14] <Stereo> redneck-: you can change icons without being root, can't you?
[06:14] <nalioth> the question comes up often in here
[06:14] <redneck-> no I cant
[06:14] <goofrider> nalioth, I'll take note
[06:15] <kingsley_> What's a good way to test the bandwidth of a new ethernet cable betweem a linux and a Windows XP box?
[06:15] <redneck-> I wanted to change the HDD icon and I Can't
[06:15] <nalioth> kingsley_: ftp?
[06:15] <goofrider> ekCo, go to your home dir and `apt-get source gstreamer0.8-mad`
[06:15] <nalioth> goofrider: not all correct
[06:15] <IcemanV9> redneck-: right-click on that icon and change it thru properties
[06:16] <goofrider> nalioth, ?? I'll let u take that one then  :)
[06:16] <nalioth> ekCo: which pkgs are not gonna be installed?
[06:16] <redneck-> that's exactly what I inteded to but I can't
[06:16] <nalioth> goofrider: the problem is not in gstreamer-mad, its in some libs
[06:16] <IcemanV9> ???
[06:16] <IcemanV9> redneck-: why?? does it give an error msg?
[06:17] <ekCo> goofrider, E: Unable to find a source package for gst-plugins0.8
[06:17] <thr1ce> anyone know of a human theme for flux ?
[06:17] <redneck-> no it doen't it just does not change the icon
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> thr1ce,  other then jsut setting everything to brown. :P
[06:17] <billybob34> Is there anyway to get applications to ask for the root password instead of user password?
[06:18] <nalioth> billybob34: whats the difference?
[06:18] <goofrider> billybob34, but there's no root password
[06:18] <goofrider> ;)
[06:18] <billybob34> I want users not in the admin group to be able to use certain apps when needed
[06:18] <sir-gold> then add them to the admin group
[06:18] <Razor-X> oooooh!
[06:18] <Razor-X> I'm using my new trackball!!!!
[06:19] <IcemanV9> redneck-: did u right-click on that icon? then select custom icon?
[06:19] <goofrider> billybob34, and giving them the root password can accompanish that and ONLY that?
[06:19] <billybob34> but I don't want them to user their own user password ...
[06:19] <redneck-> yes
[06:19] <ankit> hello... I need help
[06:19] <redneck-> it says that i don't have permission to change settings
[06:20] <goofrider> billybob34, if u give them the root password, u mgiht as well add them to the admin group. same diff
[06:20] <billybob34> not really
[06:20] <sir-gold> how is that not the same?
[06:20] <billybob34> I dont want to add and take them off the admin group constantly ... changing root passwd is eaisier
[06:21] <goofrider> billybob34, add an admin2 or lessadmin group
[06:21] <goofrider> and add that group to sudoers as well
[06:21] <IcemanV9> redneck-: ah. it shouldn't happen.
[06:21] <sir-gold> add them to a different group, then add that group to visudo
[06:21] <goofrider> and u can just add/remove that group
[06:21] <billybob34> but is there a why to get it to ask for root password or not?
[06:21] <goofrider> billybob34, u can change all shortcuts to use gksu instead of gksudo
[06:22] <count0nz> btw: goofrider: Thanks that kinda worked i had to run the ./quickcam.sh to finish it but it worked :)
[06:22] <billybob34> good idea.. thanks
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> hmm - sounds like a lot of worn for very little gain.
[06:22] <goofrider> billybob34, but that's obviously even more work
[06:22] <redneck-> when I click on properties on permissions it says that the owner is the root user
[06:22] <goofrider> count0nz, glad it worked  :)
[06:23] <billybob34> true ... now what about KDE
[06:23] <redneck-> so unless I log as root I won't be ab;e to change the icon
[06:23] <goofrider> billybob34, kubuntu team still default to use su for most operatoins
[06:23] <count0nz> goofrider++
[06:23] <count0nz> no karma here lol
[06:23] <goofrider> billybob34, but I can be wrong
[06:24] <goofrider> billybob34, I tend to get su dialogs more often in KDE
[06:24] <jaask_> sry for the complete newbie question: where are the programs installed by default?
[06:24] <billybob34> not in the latest version...
[06:24] <FlyingSquirrel32> just installed the nvidia drivers, but still can't get my resolution past 640x480??
[06:24] <goofrider> billybob34, but they're supposed to use all sudo as well
[06:24] <billybob34> or at least it says run as root yet asks for user password
[06:24] <IcemanV9> redneck-: yes. i know. it doesn't happen to me before. however, there is a way to do it. but, i don't remember how. sorry.
[06:24] <redneck-> so I guess it will be a pain in the neck if I want to change wallpapers.icons and themesfrom what I see
[06:24] <FlyingSquirrel32> already followed all the help I could find on ubuntuguide
[06:24] <goofrider> billybob34, u can update the shortcuts to use ksu (sp?) as well to switch everything to su if that's what u want
[06:24] <nalioth> jaask_: /usr/bin usually
[06:25] <jaask_> nalioth thx :)
[06:25] <nalioth> jaask_: /usr/local/bin for the stuff YOU install
[06:25] <goofrider> billybob34, or hey, symlink gksudo -> gksu
[06:25] <goofrider> billybob34, but u know the risk, take your own chances
[06:25] <billybob34> is there anyway to get a vanilla KDE install?
[06:26] <billybob34> symlink ... awesome idea
[06:26] <IcemanV9> redneck-: no. you can change theme, wallpapers or icons thru system --> preferences --> theme
[06:26] <goofrider> We still recommend u stick with sudo
[06:26] <goofrider> but u do what u want
[06:26] <FlyingSquirrel32> how do I change my resolution in ubuntu if they don't show up in the list
[06:26] <ekCo> i got my screen at 60hertz but cant bump it up.. it supports 1280x1024 at 85hetz..
[06:27] <ekCo> but i cant set it
[06:27] <ekCo> how can i fix this?
[06:27] <goofrider> ekCo, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg???
[06:28] <goofrider> that's for FlyingSquirrel32 as well
[06:28] <ekCo> yeah but i got my drivers install
[06:28] <ekCo> installed*
[06:28] <ekCo> they work fine, but i just cant change my refresh ratez
[06:28] <goofrider> ekCo, it should also ask u about refresh rates
[06:28] <Chamlap`> hey guys, quick question, how do I set up the ATI driver in Ubuntu?  I installed it but fglrxinfo still shows me using the mesa3d one
[06:28] <goofrider> anf Hsync/Vsync, etc
[06:28] <redneck-> IcemanV9 I wanted to install new icons that i downloaded from gnome.org
[06:29] <redneck-> I dont like the default icons
[06:29] <daniels> ekCo: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, delete the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines.  i guess you're running amd64?
[06:29] <ekCo> yes
[06:29] <ryman> I'm about to cry. My Ubuntu keep freezing
[06:29] <daniels> ekCo: yeah, then do that and it will all be spiffy
[06:29] <[freebsd> SO kids
[06:29] <[freebsd> How would i go about installing Grub manually
[06:29] <goofrider> daniels, what's wrong with xorg on AMD64?
[06:30] <FlyingSquirrel32> goofrider, it's asking me how much mem to use??
[06:30] <daniels> goofrider: nothing, it's just that ddcprobe doesn't deal with amd64 very well yet.  it will, though.
[06:30] <Chamlap`> can someone tell me how to tell Ubuntu to use the ati drivers?
[06:30] <goofrider> i c
[06:30] <IcemanV9> redneck-: do u have home folder AND theme open? if so, just drag the new icons (tar.gz file) and drop into theme
[06:30] <daniels> Chamlap`: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:31] <goofrider> FlyingSquirrel32, just accept the defaults, and only change the resolutons (since that's what u wanted to do)
[06:31] <Chamlap`> thanks
[06:31] <FlyingSquirrel32> goofrider, this one doens't have a def, just a blank line
[06:31] <FlyingSquirrel32> goofrider, should I just click next?
[06:31] <goofrider> FlyingSquirrel32, blank is the default  LOL
[06:31] <FlyingSquirrel32> goofrider, (or OK)
[06:32] <FlyingSquirrel32> goofrider, just don't want to mess anything up :)
[06:32] <goofrider> why would I care, it's not my computer
[06:32] <goofrider> jk :)
[06:33] <ekCo> 128mb in kb is?
[06:33] <goofrider> 128x1024
[06:33] <g14> goofrider, beat me to it :)
[06:33] <goofrider> mm..
[06:33] <goofrider> 1280
[06:33] <goofrider> +
[06:33] <goofrider> 256
[06:33] <ekCo> 131072
[06:33] <goofrider> ....... hahaha
[06:33] <ekCo> ?
[06:34] <IcemanV9> ekCo:  131072
[06:34] <ekCo> cheers
[06:34] <ekCo>  Enter the amount of memory (in kB) to be used by your video card.    131072?
[06:34] <IcemanV9> ekCo: yep
[06:35] <ekCo> is it wise to use kernel frame buffer?
[06:36] <daniels> ekCo: you really don't need to run through all that
[06:36] <daniels> all you want to do is run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[06:36] <daniels> if the 60Hz thing is your issue, delete those lines and that'll be it
[06:37] <anusaya> Is there a way to have debootstrap search for deb files locally before downloading them from the net?
[06:37] <daniels> anusaya: not unless you used apt-cacher
[06:37] <redneck-> by the way someone gave me a link here a while go for downloading themes from gnome but I don't remember from where does anyone know?
[06:38] <Burgundavia> redneck-, www.gnome-look.org
[06:38] <Burgundavia> or art.gnome.org
[06:39] <ekCo> Section "Device"
[06:39] <ekCo>         Identifier      "NVIDIA Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 GT] "
[06:39] <ekCo>         Driver          "nv"
[06:39] <ekCo>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[06:39] <redneck-> thanks
[06:39] <ekCo> i think my pci-e card is utilizing its full potential.. what can id o?
[06:39] <FlyingSquirrel32> I just ran through that x setup, and restarted the x server, but still can't change the resolution
[06:40] <goofrider> FlyingSquirrel32, hmmm. ... not even if u do Ctrl-Alt-+  ??
[06:41] <daniels> ekCo: look for lines starting with HorizSync and VertRefresh, delete them
[06:41] <daniels> FlyingSquirrel32: what sort of video card do you have, what resolution do you have, what resolution are you trying to get at, and what sort of monitor do you have?
[06:41] <regeya> so...would a newer dbus fix the automagic mounting problem that so many are experiencing?
[06:41] <ekCo> ok brb
[06:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> goofrider, Ctrl-Alt-+ doesn't seem to do anything at all
[06:42] <FlyingSquirrel32> nvidia 5200, at 640x480, want 800x600 at least, AOpen monitor
[06:42] <FlyingSquirrel32> A70P
[06:43] <Burgundavia> regeya, in breezy much is changing, including hal
[06:43] <goofrider> regeya, u mean the hotplugging issue?
[06:43] <FlyingSquirrel32> Ctrl-Alt-Bksp kicks me out of x, in my other ubuntu machine, it would restart the x server.
[06:44] <ekCo> how do you set usb mice, to 2ms response.. rather than default 32?
[06:44] <thr1ce> ctrl alt backspace always shuts down X
[06:44] <Dr_Willis>  ita alt-ctrl NUMPAD + and - for the fast screen rez changes.
[06:45] <FlyingSquirrel32> no response from alt-ctrl NUMPAD + and - (with numlock off and on)
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> and that feature is dependant on the X configuration
[06:45] <daniels> FlyingSquirrel32: hm, sounds like DDC is failing entirely.  in the Monitor section, put this in: HorizSync 36-53, and then also VertRefresh 36-70.
[06:45] <thr1ce> how's breezy running?
[06:45] <thr1ce> gettin there yet?
[06:46] <FlyingSquirrel32> daniels, Monitor section of what??
[06:46] <thr1ce> of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:47] <redneck-> thanks everyone that helped me finally I was able to install the icons
[06:47] <daniels> FlyingSquirrel32: as thr1ce said -- /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:48] <thr1ce> edit your resolution int he display section, and make sure your monitor settings are setup correctly
[06:48] <thr1ce> and that the nvidia module is being loaded
[06:49] <FlyingSquirrel32> okay, that's done...I suppose I do a Ctrl-Alt-Bksp now??
[06:49] <thr1ce> to kill X, yes
[06:49] <daniels> thr1ce: he's using nv, not nvidia
[06:49] <thr1ce> ooh,ok
[06:49] <daniels> oh wait, that was ekco
[06:49] <FlyingSquirrel32> how do I just restart it in one step?
[06:49] <thr1ce> you can't
[06:51] <FlyingSquirrel32> daniels & thr1ce,  actually, I think I set it to NVidia when I ran through some setup goofrider suggested earlier.(I know it was dumb, but I don't know the command to undo it)
[06:51] <FlyingSquirrel32> That is I set it to nvidia
[06:51] <FlyingSquirrel32> goofrider, what was the command you suggested earlier?
[06:52] <ekCo> wait.. daniels, set nv to nvidia in xorg.conf?
[06:52] <lewwy> hey dudes, this is totally unrelated, but im in a pickle.  does anyone here know how to make scale drawings?
[06:52] <Linforcer> man I just had a vision of a new ubuntu user ramming his keyboard and accidentily pressing ctrl alt F1 and not knowing how to get back
[06:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> I like gimp, I turn on the grid and lock to it.
[06:53] <FlyingSquirrel32> lewwy^
[06:53] <lewwy> uhh, no FlyingSquirrel32 as in mathematics
[06:53] <lewwy> the formula's and crap
[06:53] <lewwy> no relation to windows/linux at all
[06:53] <samuel> sup all
[06:54] <samuel> can anyone recommend an easy to configure imap daemon?
[06:54] <levander> samuel: dovecot
[06:54] <regeya> what belongs to the formula, lwwy?
[06:54] <FlyingSquirrel32> lewwy, I can't figure it out, but I think Oo Math does that
[06:54] <regeya> heh
[06:54] <samuel> levander, thenks
[06:54] <regeya> we're all making mistakes when we try to be a smartaleck
[06:54] <regeya> I give up
[06:55] <FlyingSquirrel32> ekCo, should I do anythng else before I restart X?
[06:56] <Predius> Guys, I just thought this up. If breezy is testing, shouldn't its reps have firefox 1.0.4?
[06:56] <lewwy> i'm trying to get a fairly large area (in the metres) to under a4
[06:58] <Linforcer> w00t the italian lover returns
[06:59] <FlyingSquirrel32> Just wanted to say thanks to everyone that was helping me with X... It worked. Yahoo!!
[06:59] <JDahl> Predius, it still takes some time to package and adapt it
[06:59] <Linforcer> g osquirl >.>
[06:59] <Chamlap`> hi guys, can someone please post the commands to install opera again?  it was posted earlier but i had to reboot
[07:00] <Predius> Yeah, but is it going to be in breezy?
[07:00] <dabaSlon> man, I love dealing with Comcast subscribers all day:)
[07:00] <ekCo> i setup my mx510 but scrollup and down, is forward and back, mouse 4 and 5 are scroll. how can i swap thema round?
[07:00] <sir-gold> Chamlap`: just get it from opera.com
[07:00] <Predius> because 1.0.3 and 1.0.4's already patched into ubuntu1.0.2
[07:00] <Chamlap`> sir-gold: i know, then what?
[07:00] <thr1ce> 7
[07:00] <Linforcer> xD
[07:01] <dabaSlon> Predius: you can get .3 in hoary. You can not access the extensions site without .4 though...
[07:01] <thr1ce> Predius: 1.0.4 was release only days ago
[07:01] <sir-gold> dpkg -i opera(whatever).deb
[07:01] <thr1ce> d
[07:01] <Predius> You're not getting me.
[07:01] <ekCo> nvm fixed
[07:01] <Chamlap`> also, is there a better rdp client other than the command line based rdesktop?
[07:01] <Chamlap`> sir-gold: thanks!
[07:01] <dabaSlon> I get what you mean though, and have no asnwer.
[07:01] <Predius> Have you realized that the security patches are in hoary?
[07:01] <dabaSlon> there is some fireworks in here where I am...
[07:01] <Predius> They already patched 1.0.3 and 1.0.4 into 1.0.2
[07:01] <dabaSlon> Or, there is a war in Canada...
[07:02] <Predius> they don't add features because of stability
[07:02] <Linforcer> then could they have called it 04
[07:02] <Predius> so, they've gone all the way into patching 1.0.2 and they can't add 1.0.4 into breezy for testing?
[07:02] <sir-gold> dabaSlon: quebec independence war
[07:02] <Linforcer> because I suspected it
[07:02] <Linforcer> but wasnt sure
[07:02] <lewwy> can somebody PLEASE help me with my maths.  scale drawings.
[07:03] <Predius> we're not homework help, ;)
[07:03] <dabaSlon> lewwy: what?
[07:03] <lewwy> yeh
[07:03] <dabaSlon> reask...
[07:03] <lewwy> but i got nowhere else to turn!
[07:03] <dabaSlon> Predius: I would expect .4 in breezy. There is a .3 in breezy at this time.
[07:03] <lewwy> i have a assignment due tomorrow and i have to make a large drawing fit on A4
[07:03] <Predius> There is?
[07:03] <dabaSlon> Predius: I know how to get the .3 through apt-get.
[07:03] <Predius> I'm running breezy.
[07:04] <lewwy> and say how i did it
[07:04] <Linforcer> lewwy sorry no clue what scale drawings are. 	probably because my native language isnt english)
[07:04] <Predius> I only get .2
[07:04] <dabaSlon> Yes, I have it installed, wanna screenshot?
[07:04] <Predius> how?
[07:04] <Predius> i want the name of the package
[07:04] <thr1ce> Predius: someone said breezy was breaking as of yesterday...is that true?
[07:04] <IIIEars> lewwy - google irc search engine - we really can't help you with that here.
[07:04] <dabaSlon> Um Ill give you the sources, update, install the firefox, and remove the soruces, then uipdate.
[07:04] <Linforcer> what kind of animal is breezy? xD
[07:04] <Predius> I *just* downloaded firefox again.
[07:04] <Predius> it's a badger
[07:04] <Linforcer> (i dont keep up)
[07:04] <Linforcer> ah
[07:04] <Linforcer> neat
[07:04] <lewwy> ah ok
[07:04] <Predius> breezy badger
[07:04] <Linforcer> mushrooms next?
[07:05] <Linforcer> xD
[07:05] <dabaSlon> pre
[07:05] <thr1ce> Predius: working fine though?
[07:05] <dabaSlon> Predius: want the sources?
[07:05] <Predius> Sure, dabaSlon
[07:05] <dabaSlon> or  you want a screenshot first>
[07:05] <dabaSlon> :)
[07:05] <IIIEars> Ubuntu 11 will be "Terrify the Tiger" - lol
[07:05] <dabaSlon> k, give me a sec then.
[07:05] <Predius> Yeah, I had to downgrade mutt and procmail, works fine now.
[07:05] <dabaSlon> hehe, IIIEars.
[07:06] <Linforcer> badger badger badger badger badger badger pythonnn it's a pythooon
[07:06] <thr1ce> that's rough
[07:06] <Predius> badger badger badger badger badger badger breezy!! breezy!!
[07:06] <dabaSlon> Mushroom...did you guys csee the badger badger mushroom site?
[07:06] <Predius> Also, I get the sd_mod problem everyone had.
[07:06] <Linforcer> Linforcer	mushrooms next?
[07:06] <dabaSlon> #deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted ##deb http://manno.name/debian/ breezy cvs .....should you add those two lines,  and uncomment them, you will see a .3 firefox.
[07:06] <dabaSlon> Update first.
[07:07] <Predius> I know, ;)
[07:07] <dabaSlon> right, just to remind yuo...its easy to forget...and dont upgrade":-p
[07:07] <dabaSlon> let me burn this/...
[07:07] <dabaSlon> :-p
[07:07] <IIIEars> So adding Firefox from the Mozilla site isn't a good idea?
[07:08] <Predius> I had major issues.
[07:08] <nalioth> yall be good
[07:08] <Linforcer> robby rhino
[07:08] <Linforcer> hmmmm
[07:08] <Predius> extensions died on me, wouldn't install
[07:08] <dabaSlon> IIIEars: It did not work here, it installs, and then nothing changes...
[07:09] <Predius> dabaSlon, i would like a nightly .deb, i tried the nightly yesterday, buggy, but nice new features
[07:09] <dabaSlon> Predius: they likely wont install now, either, told you .3 does not work with them...well, it does not let you to their site, anyhow.
[07:09] <dabaSlon> Predius: I have no such thing:)
[07:09] <Predius> by buggy, I mean VEEERY buggy.
[07:09] <Predius> But aweesome.
[07:10] <dabaSlon> Linforcer: should totally get something else:-p
[07:10] <dabaSlon> jj
[07:10] <Linforcer> xD
[07:10] <Thirsteh> Is anyone here using a webcam in Linux?
[07:10] <Linforcer> gentoo rawks
[07:10] <thr1ce> Predius: of firefox?
[07:10] <dabaSlon> thisteh, not many anywhere are:)
[07:10] <Linforcer> Thirsteh no but I know its hard
[07:10] <dabaSlon> why is there an r missing?
[07:10] <Predius> yes, thr1ce
[07:11] <thr1ce> new features?
[07:11] <Thirsteh> Well, I wouldn't if it wasn't cus my fiancee lives far away and it's kinda a necessity
[07:11] <Thirsteh> So I need to get something working here
[07:11] <Predius> changed the Preferences into a much better and easier interface
[07:11] <Thirsteh> and I don't wanna be forced to install Windows to use one
[07:11] <IIIEars> dabasalon - it could be worse. - grin - If an IE "throbber" icon appeared suddenly in the top right corner.
[07:11] <dabaSlon> Thirsteh: well, you likely will not get that camera you have working, sorry to break your hopes/...
[07:11] <Predius> there is a "sanitize" for privacy, which kills history, etc.
[07:11] <dabaSlon> Thirsteh: um, there is a page on the wiki abnout webcams.
[07:11] <Thirsteh> dabaSlon, I know, I was more curious to find out which cam actually works
[07:12] <Thirsteh> dabaSlon, okay I'll check it out, thanks
[07:12] <dabaSlon> kewl, I may be able to get that for you.
[07:12] <dabaSlon> Not sure if you will be able to get that one, though..
[07:12] <ekCo> how do i install limewire pro on 64bit?
[07:12] <Thirsteh> dabaSlon, you know a cam that works in Ubuntu?
[07:12] <dabaSlon> IIIEars: sorry, didnt catch taht.
[07:12] <puvneet> can some one tell me a good media player in ubuntu
[07:13] <dabaSlon> well, I have internet, Ill get the wiki page for you.
[07:13] <IIIEars> just kidding. - at least nothing crashes
[07:13] <Thirsteh> dabaSlon, ok, thanks
[07:13] <dabaSlon> puvneet, two catregories. music, and video.
[07:13] <puvneet> video
[07:13] <puvneet> .avi
[07:13] <Thirsteh> dabaSlon, I found it, thanks though :)
[07:13] <dabaSlon> k, welcome:)
[07:14] <puvneet> one that i don't have to compile i can't compile
[07:14] <dabaSlon> puvneet: I use xine-ui
[07:14] <Predius> or vlc
[07:14] <Bicchi> To what  do you attribute the big amount of ghosting that shows up on the screen when i drag windows around the desktop. It looks the same in kde as in gnome. I am using a dual monitor setup and i even have tried using the fglrx drivers and doesn't improve anything.
[07:14] <dabaSlon> You need avi playback, though, which you can get through apt-get.
[07:14] <Predius> why can't you compile?
[07:15] <puvneet> don't klnow how to compile
[07:15] <puvneet> new to linux
[07:15] <dabaSlon> This pastebin shows a nice MPlayer compilation,. and will give you absic information: http://pastebin.com/284250 ,
[07:15] <IIIEars> "Ghosts in the Machine" - eek!
[07:15] <Predius> ./configure && make && make install
[07:15] <Linforcer> that wont work if he doesnt have build essentials
[07:15] <dabaSlon> After that, you may have to change the output polugin in preferences to esound, to get the movies to play.
[07:15] <puvneet> brbi know that where do i type that
[07:16] <Linforcer> in a console in te dir where the sourse is
[07:16] <Linforcer> damn this typing
[07:16] <Linforcer> >.>
[07:16] <puvneet> that is in the root
[07:17] <dabaSlon> puvneet, I would go with either the pastebin, or the wiki, the wiki is here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats .
[07:17] <IIIEars> lol - a new OS hasn't helped my spelling either don't feel two bad.
[07:17] <puvneet> ok thanks
[07:17] <Linforcer> >.>
[07:17] <Linforcer> it's the new layout
[07:17] <dabaSlon> puvneet: to compile from source, you need the source, off course.
[07:17] <dabaSlon> A terminal is where you type in commands...
[07:17] <Linforcer> as I said before I've been using dvorak for a short while now
[07:18] <dabaSlon> the pastebin is a really nice walkthrough of MPlayer, if anyone wants to know how to compile it.
[07:18] <dabaSlon> And it solves some of the library issues with other stuff too, since it involves downloading some codecs from an outside source, and not from apt./
[07:18] <Linforcer> that takes me back
[07:19] <Linforcer> SuSE + MPYlayer = ow
[07:19] <IcemanV9> dang - i like icons from kde .. is it possible to use it in gnome??
[07:19] <dabaSlon> hurts, hey?
[07:19] <Predius> SUSE has the same multimedia trouble, right?
[07:19] <ekCo> hmprh! i must play my mp3s.. i still cant get xmms or rythmbox to play them!
[07:19] <ekCo> xmms wont install! :(!!
[07:19] <Linforcer> isn't the ubuntuguide section on codecs and MPlayer sufficient anyway?
[07:20] <dabaSlon> ekCo: um...is xmms installed, or not?
[07:20] <Predius> sudo apt-get install xmms
[07:20] <ekCo> no..
[07:20] <dabaSlon> ekco, did you sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-*
[07:20] <ekCo> yes..
[07:20] <hyapadi> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs <--- to install codecs including mp3
[07:20] <dabaSlon> ok, and that got installed?
[07:20] <Linforcer> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[07:21] <Linforcer> oopls
[07:21] <Linforcer> beat me to it
[07:21] <jeff_co> Hi. I'm a one day old Ubuntu baby! I'd like to know how to install my canon digital camera to my ubuntu PC. (The CD-rom that comes w/ camera has nothing for ubuntu).
[07:21] <dabaSlon> haha, newbies.:)
[07:21] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: have you tried plugging it in?
[07:21] <Linforcer> xD
[07:21] <ekCo> dabaSlon, E: Broken packages. for gstreamer
[07:21] <Predius> call canon and ask them for an ubuntu driver, ;)
[07:21] <Linforcer> it shouldnt need any install
[07:21] <dabaSlon> Ok, let us do a few things then.
[07:21] <dabaSlon> ekCo: using Hoary?
[07:22] <IIIEars> Predius - be nice -
[07:22] <Linforcer> (if it's supported)
[07:22] <ekCo> dabaSlon, yes. xmms says, E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[07:22] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: my question really wants an answer.
[07:22] <Predius> hey, I mean well.
[07:22] <linux_galore> dont need a driver for cannon last i looked you just mount the camera as a flash drive
[07:22] <jeff_co> no. dabaSlon.
[07:22] <dabaSlon> It was not a brush off.
[07:22] <Predius> If enough people call, they might give one,
[07:22] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: do so, it should autodetect.
[07:22] <Linforcer> Predius has a point though. if we all bother hardware maufacturers then SOME DAY MAYBE... aw who am I kidding
[07:22] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, i haven't tried it yet. let me find the cable. please hold on as i search my messy home.
[07:22] <IIIEars> If it can be done with a computer *nix can
[07:22] <dabaSlon> And Automount. everything automatic, try that and ask if something is not cleard.
[07:23] <ekCo> dabaSlon, any ideas?
[07:23] <Predius> Hey, just like telling MS to patch their software!
[07:23] <linux_galore> yeah ubuntu should auto detect it
[07:23] <dabaSlon> ekCo: we will get you to change your sources.
[07:23] <IIIEars> dabaSlon - you have cats too eh?
[07:23] <linux_galore> dabaSlon: some where in that pile is a home
[07:23] <dabaSlon> That first, then sudo apt-get update , to see if that returns errors.
[07:24] <Ashims> help!
[07:24] <dabaSlon> IIIEars: no, not even cats, I am afraid they will die in the filth.
[07:24] <IIIEars> lol
[07:24] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, it works! ubuntu is now asking if i want to import photos.
[07:24] <Linforcer> Predius, patching MS software is like putting a bandaid on a severed head
[07:24] <Ashims> glxgears is totally clocking a whopping 18fps on my 6600!
[07:24] <dabaSlon> right, that is it, jeff!
[07:24] <dabaSlon> excellent:)
[07:24] <ekCo> dabaSlon, pm
[07:24] <puvneet> can i run .avi on this crapy media player
[07:24] <Ashims> *cries*
[07:24] <puvneet> what would i have to do to run .avi
[07:25] <puvneet> hello is anyone there
[07:25] <dabaSlon> puvneet: I told you, either follow the wiki, or the pastebin.
[07:25] <Ashims> ummm... get vlc :p
[07:25] <linux_galore> yeah I hooked a cannon up to my laptop at work (its a friends) and ubuntu just asked if i wanted to view the images.....no biggie....blew my friends mind because she had to get her son to install all this software in windows to view the images
[07:25] <jeff_co> does Ubuntu also autodetect PDAs? I have 2. One is a Palm OS, the other is a PocketPC2000.
[07:25] <dabaSlon> probably.
[07:25] <dabaSlon> I have none:(
[07:25] <Burgundavia> jeff_co, if it doesn't it is abug
[07:26] <FunnyLookinHat> Ubuntu auto detects just about everything... even my external NTFS hard drive
[07:26] <CAROLINA> ks
[07:26] <jeff_co> ubuntu's great isn't it?
[07:26] <IIIEars> Ashims - don't panic - some check box somewhere was left unchecked or depencey was orphaned - try one more time.
[07:26] <Ashims> pdas are slightly more complex than an external ntfs drive
[07:26] <prevod> Please, can someone tell me: Ho can open new users-xx@lists.ubuntu.com for my Local community? We have put self's on to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LoCoTeamList
[07:26] <Ashims> haha.,... probably IIIEars
[07:26] <CAROLINA> mmmm
[07:26] <Ashims> :S...
[07:26] <linux_galore> I would be warry of Nikon stuff they use this weird proprietary image file format
[07:26] <Burgundavia> prevod, you need to contact mako
[07:27] <puvneet> where can i find wiki or pastebin
[07:27] <jeff_co> anybody here a Skype user?
[07:27] <Predius> backports.ubuntuforums is slow, dabaSlon.
[07:27] <puvneet> really new to linux
[07:27] <Predius> really slow, :(
[07:27] <dabaSlon> prevod, jel to mislis prijevod?
[07:27] <dabaSlon> :)
[07:27] <linux_galore> jeff_co: yeah I use skype..need to have kdebase installed though
[07:27] <dabaSlon> I agree, specially for that firefox:)
[07:27] <IcemanV9> linux_galore: not really. i am owner of nikon. it works with ubuntu on my box. :)
[07:27] <dabaSlon> I did it the other day...
[07:28] <linux_galore> IcemanV9: yeah bet its an older model try it with a new one
[07:28] <CAROLINA> m
[07:28] <Ashims> puvneet: I dunno what they've told you so far... but the ezest way to watch an avi is to open synaptic, do a search for "vlc", install it, and watch it from that.
[07:28] <puvneet> can some one tell me where i can find wiki or pastebin
[07:28] <prevod> dabaSlon: takodje
[07:28] <IcemanV9> linux_galore: i see. mine is abt 3 yrs old.
[07:28] <Ashims> puvneet: vlc has built in decompression of most things...
[07:28] <dabaSlon> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats <---- wiki, http://pastebin.com/284250 <---pastebin
[07:28] <dabaSlon> prevod, haha:)
[07:29] <jeff_co> linux_galore, what's kdebase? I installed skype without it. I can use skype well, i think without it. Do you think i still should get it? also, do you have any voicemail program that works alongside skype, so that if you don't answer the phone, you can receive messages on your answering machine?
[07:29] <Ashims> puvneet: its a very nice media player ting.
[07:29] <dabaSlon> prevod, not sure about y our question, tho...
[07:29] <linux_galore> IcemanV9: big spew in /. about it...although the image file format has been reverse engineered already so for many its a minor plugin hack
[07:29] <dabaSlon> Ashims: does it install all the codecs along with it?
[07:29] <bur[n] er> if anyone has advice on how to get rhythmbox working in xfce, let me know!
[07:29] <espiem> i need help please
[07:29] <Ashims> dabaSlon: most are built in
[07:30] <linux_galore> jeff_co: sorry only need Qt.....unless you download skype+QT all in one file
[07:30] <bur[n] er> it says something about "writing" error
[07:30] <IcemanV9> linux_galore: my camera have two kind of formats - ptp and .. i don't remember what other is
[07:30] <Ashims> dabaSlon: tho I'm sure I've made it read from the mplayer win32 codecs directory before...
[07:30] <IcemanV9> linux_galore: ptp works with ubuntu, not the other
[07:30] <Predius> bur[n] er, you should try amaroK.
[07:31] <espiem> i cant stop printing... cant' cancell it. How to remove from cache?
[07:31] <bur[n] er> Predius: i have it... but i really want rhythmbox
[07:31] <Thirsteh> dabaSlon, on the page, the camera driver page says the drivers (for linux) also supports Sony Eyetoy for PS2, that's actually the cam I've got now
[07:31] <Ashims> dabaSlon: its a freaking nice player tho, for watching avi's, dvd's n other mpeg media... etc. etc. etc
[07:31] <bur[n] er> amarok has this weird... I put myself on the last workspace if i come back from systray bug
[07:31] <IcemanV9> espiem: unplug the printer ;)
[07:31] <jeff_co> linux_galore, what's QT?
[07:31] <Thirsteh> dabaSlon, I haven't tried it out though cause having it plugged would screw up my ALSA settings (because it has a built-in microphone)
[07:31] <Ashims> yay amarok! it is my hero!
[07:31] <espiem> even unplug printer reboot computer didnt help me
[07:31] <Ashims> too bad its made on kde...
[07:31] <linux_galore> IcemanV9: ptp just mean picture transfer protocol from memory its very standard.....the problem isnt the transfering of the image but the file format it uses for the images and how Nikon want people to buy software from them to convert of view this restricted image file format
[07:32] <dabaSlon> Thirsteh: sweet deal:)
[07:32] <linux_galore> of=or
[07:32] <Thirsteh> dabaSlon, happen to have any experience with USB mics screwing up ALSA? :\
[07:32] <dabaSlon> espiem: ...
[07:32] <skull> i have a question, for example i know gaim 1.3.0 is realised why if i try to install it with apt-get i can't do it, it says i have the newest version and i have 1.2.1
[07:32] <dabaSlon> tehre is a command, how urgent is this:?
[07:32] <jeff_co> how come "import photos" window is not in my taskbar? i have to close all the other windows to find it.
[07:32] <Ashims> I swear my computer is configured properly for this card.
[07:32] <Ashims> :S
[07:32] <bur[n] er> skull: it's not in ubuntu yet
[07:33] <dabaSlon> Thirsteh: no, not at all...just said thats a sweet deal that yours is supported/
[07:33] <Ashims> I'll try the repo's glx ting
[07:33] <linux_galore> hmm 1.3 is actually a security fix they should have it there
[07:33] <dabaSlon> it is a dialogue window...
[07:33] <Ashims> but I was getting bad stallage from that
[07:33] <Linforcer> excactly
[07:33] <Thirsteh> dabaSlon, alright, I'll try to make it work...
[07:33] <dabaSlon> but, usually it does shw up for me.
[07:33] <Thirsteh> dabaSlon, thanks for the help :)
[07:33] <Linforcer> try apt-get update?
[07:33] <dabaSlon> welcome, glad I can help, even the little I can...L:)
[07:34] <IcemanV9> linux_galore: interesting. didn't know that Nikon changes their format
[07:34] <linux_galore> <-- is on gaim 1.3   but I always build gaim
[07:34] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: also, the device is mounted at /media
[07:34] <bur[n] er> gaim makes .package files too
[07:34] <Chamlap`> how can i add new links in the gnome panel?  specifically applications->internet ?
[07:34] <linux_galore> IcemanV9: yeah vendor lock-in   not good
[07:34] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, what does it mean? and why should i remember it?
[07:34] <bur[n] er> Chamlap`: /usr/share/applications
[07:34] <Linforcer> I updated to it with apt some mins ago >.>
[07:34] <espiem> anybody know how remove printing cache?
[07:34] <Chamlap`> thanks
[07:34] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, how come the "import photos" window is not in my taskbar?
[07:34] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: well, since if you dont wanna import...
[07:34] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: it is a dialogue window, not a real one.
[07:35] <linux_galore> espiem:  sudo lprm jobnumber
[07:35] <dabaSlon> Maybe that is part of the reasonb, although in mione it is usually there.
[07:35] <dabaSlon> espiem: there is a command. like lspd
[07:36] <Ashims> okay... brb... will try these repo drivers
[07:36] <dabaSlon> or sopmething like that...just a sec
[07:36] <dabaSlon> jeff, open your /mnedia.
[07:36] <dabaSlon>  /media
[07:37] <Linforcer> bah.. my camera works fine in ubuntu but its webcam function doesnt
[07:37] <puvneet> yo i'm back
[07:37] <dabaSlon> who knows the command to kill all printing jobs???
[07:37] <Linforcer> my gamepad doesnt work at all
[07:37] <Linforcer> :'(
[07:37] <puvneet> i downloaded the vlc-0.8.1 how do i install it
[07:38] <dabaSlon> I can not believe that noone is on the channel and knows how to kill printing jobs, including me...
[07:38] <Chamlap`> bur[n] er: how do I add things to it?  I can figure out how to make a link to Opera
[07:38] <Linforcer> dabaSlon.. killing cups things or something ?
[07:38] <Dethread> puvneet, did you get it via synaptic?
[07:39] <bur[n] er> Chamlap`: make a .desktop file
[07:39] <linux_galore> dabaSlon: I use lprm
[07:39] <Linforcer> dabaSlon I have no idea at all
[07:39] <dabaSlon> lprm, it is.
[07:39] <puvneet> guys i downloaded the vlc how do install it
[07:39] <bur[n] er> u can just download a .deb of opera though and it will create a .desktop for you
[07:39] <dabaSlon> espuiem, use lprm
[07:39] <espiem> linux-galore: ok thanks. it works
[07:39] <Dethread> puvneet, did you get it via synaptic?
[07:39] <dabaSlon> thansk guys.
[07:39] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, okay. I see. Dialogue windows are not going to be in the taskbar.
[07:39] <jeff_co> i don't get what you're saying: " well, since if you dont wanna import..." . Go on. PLease finish that sentence.
[07:39] <jeff_co> linux_galore, what's QT? do i need it?
[07:39] <dabaSlon> Chamlap`: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#limewire step 6 and onward weill show yuo.
[07:39] <dabaSlon> Exactly, as well.
[07:40] <jeff_co> in import window, it said "ptp i/o error"!!! what's wrong!
[07:40] <puvneet> ok i'll try that
[07:40] <Chamlap`> bur[n] er: I did d/l the deb version of Opera and installed it, didn't creat the links :(
[07:40] <Chamlap`> thanks dabaSlon looking now
[07:40] <dabaSlon> k
[07:40] <linux_galore> jeff_co: its a widget set similar to GTK (its the base widget lib for KDE) synaptic uses it to render it graphical interface
[07:40] <skull> i have a webcam and i would like to know how can i take me some pics
[07:40] <linux_galore> sorry skype
[07:40] <linux_galore> lol
[07:40] <bur[n] er> Chamlap`: log out and back in?  eh... in any event, just right click your desktop and create launcher
[07:41] <linux_galore> not synaptic
[07:41] <Dethread> QT
[07:41] <drummer> can someone help me? i'm trying to set up lirc. i have the kernel headers, module-assistant and lirc-modules-source but when running 'sudo m-a a-i lirc-modules' i get a build error
[07:41] <Dethread> skype uses QT
[07:41] <drummer> http://pastebin.ca/11783
[07:41] <Linforcer> hey has anyone here seen my "can of ubuntu"?
[07:41] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: as I was saying.
[07:41] <puvneet> what does it mater what i got it with aslong as i got the program
[07:42] <linux_galore> on the skype some page you can download the vanilla skype or the all in one skype+QT
[07:42] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: you can also say you dont wanna import, and still acces the files, where tehy are mounted, and that will be under /media.
[07:42] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: do a ls /media and paste that to pastebin.com, please, if you want to.
[07:42] <linux_galore> some = home
[07:42] <Dethread> puvneet, if you got it via synaptic it's installed and set up already, if you downloaded source, you'll have to compile and install it manually, if you downloaded a .deb package you have to install it using dpkg
[07:42] <dabaSlon> puvneet: it does work out to matter, though.
[07:42] <Dethread> puvneet, that's why
[07:42] <drummer> anyone?
[07:43] <skull> i have a webcam and i would like to know how can i take me some pics in ubuntu
[07:43] <dabaSlon> drummer: too advanced for me///
[07:43] <linux_galore> skype dont distribute a source version of the client
[07:43] <dabaSlon> skull: is the webcam being recognized, have you seen its input anywherre?
[07:43] <Linforcer> skull that's not very specific
[07:43] <dabaSlon> you can leave right away, stalker:)
[07:43] <netstalker> testing
[07:44] <puvneet> ok i'll get the synaptic
[07:44] <puvneet> thanks
[07:44] <Dethread> puvneet, that's the best way
[07:44] <netstalker> why???
[07:44] <Linforcer> vlc rawx my sawx
[07:44] <dabaSlon> netstalker: jj, just cause you are a stalker...
[07:44] <linux_galore> pffft @ VLC
[07:44] <Linforcer> xD
[07:44] <netstalker> im a good stalker : )
[07:44] <dabaSlon> vlc is a windows thing for me...
[07:44] <Linforcer> pffft @ pffft
[07:45] <Linforcer> I had it in windoze
[07:45] <Dethread> mplayer in linux does the job just fine...
[07:45] <Linforcer> before I said SCR*W BILL GATES AND LET HIM DIE
[07:45] <dabaSlon> Linforcer: my point exactly.
[07:45] <linux_galore> i found VLC has way too much pixel fragmentation
[07:45] <truz24> how come ssh-copy-id says no identity found ? I'm following ssh public key authentication verbatim on ubuntulinux.org
[07:45] <Linforcer> but it rawx in linux too
[07:45] <netstalker> just testing out abuntu so far its great!
[07:46] <dabaSlon> I agree.
[07:46] <Linforcer> it plays dvds much more smoothly than xine or MPlayer
[07:46] <dabaSlon> I dont use DVDs:)
[07:46] <linux_galore> Linforcer: I found VLC was way crappier than mplayer
[07:46] <dabaSlon> truz24: wish I knew...
[07:46] <dabaSlon> anyone else know about ssh encryption?
[07:47] <netstalker> I bid you all a good night (puts on top hat and walks out into the fog)
[07:47] <Linforcer> linux_galore: to each his own. let's just rejoice in the fact that we can choose ^^
[07:47] <linux_galore> If a I move the vlc window while it was playing I would get serious fragmentation but with mplayer it was fine
[07:47] <dabaSlon> drummer: big up to canada, though:)
[07:47] <dabaSlon> I am gonna make everyone paste to pastebin.ca instead of .com:-p
[07:48] <ekCo> i got another small prob, i got steam working under 64bit, runs fine, when i go to play cs or hl2 it quits on a black screen and i return to desktop with a huge res..
[07:48] <dabaSlon> they both have tehir advcantage, it seems.
[07:48] <ekCo> this fixable?
[07:48] <puvneet> where can i get synaptic
[07:48] <Dethread> puvneet, it's installed by default
[07:48] <Dethread> puvneet, it's in "system->administration"
[07:48] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, the import photos window is not working well. i think it crashed?
[07:48] <dabaSlon> possibly....
[07:48] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: do a ls /nedia
[07:49] <Dethread> puvneet, or just type "sudo apt-get install vlc" in a console
[07:49] <linux_galore> ekCo: ATi driver in Linux doesnt support 64 bit render
[07:49] <dabaSlon>  /media
[07:49] <ekCo> im using nvidia
[07:49] <ekCo> pci-e 600gt BFG
[07:49] <ekCo> 6600*
[07:49] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, done.
[07:49] <linux_galore> ekCo: should work
[07:49] <jeff_co> jeff@ubuntu:~$ ls /media
[07:49] <jeff_co> cdrom  cdrom0  floppy  floppy0
[07:50] <Linforcer> so no-one saw my con of ubuntu? thing is I'm doing other distros too and I wanna know which flavor gentoo should be
[07:50] <linux_galore> ekCo: but isnt hl2 and cs windows only
[07:50] <Linforcer> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/files/6/0/3/8/ubuntucan.png
[07:50] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: thats it?
[07:50] <ekCo> cedega 4.3.1
[07:50] <ekCo> :o
[07:50] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, yes, that's all. I plugged in my camera via USB port.
[07:50] <dabaSlon> Linforcer: hahaL:)
[07:50] <linux_galore> ekCo: aah yeah there are some hacks for cs and hl2 you should read the cedega forums
[07:50] <dabaSlon> try unplugging, and plugging back in,. Ill whip out mine too to see.
[07:51] <ekCo> hmm ok
[07:51] <linux_galore> ekCo: read a review and he had some problems with cedega and cs but there was a minor hack to fix it
[07:51] <Linforcer> Ill whip out mine too to see.   dont wanna troll really but that just seemed wrong
[07:51] <Linforcer> >.>
[07:51] <dabaSlon> it did, haha
[07:51] <ekCo> got a url?
[07:51] <puvneet> it's not in the synaptic in the multimedia section
[07:52] <Dethread> puvneet, just search for "vlc"
[07:52] <linux_galore> ekCo: hmm think the article was on www.madpenguin.org
[07:52] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, what do i do now?
[07:52] <linux_galore> and how he hacked it
[07:52] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: plugged unplugged?
[07:52] <Dethread> puvneet, it might be in universe repositories...so you'll have to activate those
[07:52] <puvneet> it's not there
[07:52] <jeff_co> it's currently plugged into via USB, dabaSlon
[07:52] <ekCo> k thanks linux_galore
[07:52] <Linforcer> puvneet you may need to add sources,
[07:52] <puvneet> how would i do that
[07:53] <Linforcer> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[07:53] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: unplug plug back in.
[07:53] <Linforcer> puvneet^
[07:53] <linux_galore> sources = extra servers with packages missing in the standard Ubuntu file repositories
[07:53] <puvneet> ok i'll try that
[07:53] <dabaSlon> um. jeff_co, there should alsop be an icon for it on your desktop.
[07:53] <Dethread> puvneet, that'll definitely work...and then you can install vlc and life will be good
[07:53] <Linforcer> thank you linx_galore for the explaination xD
[07:53] <dabaSlon> ekco, I wanna hear your xmms playing mp3s soon:-p
[07:53] <jeff_co> should i unplug it even when it seems that it's still importing, dabaSlon ?
[07:54] <Linforcer> thank you linux_galore for the explaination xD
[07:54] <dabaSlon> oh, still importing??
[07:54] <ekCo> ok dabaSlon
[07:54] <dabaSlon> hwo can you tell?
[07:54] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, i don't know. The import window is still open.
[07:54] <dabaSlon> hm...you said it was gone?
[07:54] <dabaSlon> do you see your  pics?
[07:54] <angkm> quick question: how long would it took to install ubuntu ?
[07:55] <dabaSlon> peregrin took...25 mins.
[07:55] <Burgundavia> angkm, just over 1/2
[07:55] <Dethread> angkm, depends on the system...I did an install today in about 30 minutes
[07:55] <dabaSlon> ~
[07:55] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, i see the pics in the import window. I don't see any icons on my desktop.
[07:55] <Burgundavia> angkm, hour that is
[07:55] <Predius> yeah.
[07:55] <Predius> i take ~45 min.
[07:55] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: there is none on mine now either:(
[07:55] <Predius> Never more than an hour, probably.
[07:55] <dabaSlon> all are gone:(
[07:55] <linux_galore> angkm: basic install 30min to add a few things after and play with the setting about 1-2 hours
[07:56] <puvneet> later guys don't you guys sleep or is this work for you
[07:56] <Strife> quick question that I can't seem to find the answer to from searching on google... what's the password for the username 'ubuntu' on the livecd?
[07:56] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, though "import window" says "PTP I/O error" it seems to be importing it, but at a very very very slow rate!
[07:56] <Linforcer> angmk unless you get software off the internet right away it could take longer depoending on the speed of your connection ond if updates have been released between when you got the cd and when yyou're installing
[07:56] <linux_galore> o0( goto be honest)
[07:56] <Dethread> I installed ubuntu on a 600MHz Celeron today...and then on an AMD 3200+ right after....that second one was just flying...beautiful to watch
[07:57] <angkm> linux_galore: thanks dude
[07:57] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: not sure if you should interrupt...give it some time, and then remove it if that deos not stop.
[07:57] <linux_galore> I find the longer you have used linux the longer it take you to install it ..lol Im so used to adding all these minor hacks
[07:57] <Dethread> true
[07:58] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, in upper left corner it says "Canon Digital Ixus 2 (PTP mode)" but my camera is actually a Canon Powershot SD100 (digital elph). Is this okay?
[07:58] <jeff_co> or is this what is causing the I/O PTP error, dabaSlon ?
[07:59] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: :) how would I know:)
[07:59] <linux_galore> do people find they spend weeks installing stuff and honing there system then hate having to do clean installs even if there only like once a year
[07:59] <Linforcer> linux_galore: like what?
[07:59] <ekCo> oh sweet sweet mother of merci, listen to this roll, cob, needle 24-7 full volcume on my z680's :D
[07:59] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: Oh, I misread...
[07:59] <linux_galore> Linforcer: the mountain of codecs and plugins and desktop shortcuts
[08:00] <Dethread> it all comes down to "Should I recompile the kernel?" :)
[08:00] <dabaSlon> ekco, so your music playuing???
[08:00] <Linforcer> hehe
[08:00] <ekCo> yeah :D
[08:00] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: shoud be fine.
[08:00] <dabaSlon> ekCo: (ripoff) excellent:)
[08:00] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, what is PTP? and what causes PTP I/O errors?
[08:00] <ekCo> :D
[08:00] <dabaSlon> ripoff is for me, I ripped teh excellent off of crimsun
[08:00] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: that is teh one I didnt have a clue about.
[08:00] <tim7575> looking for some help getting my display fixed up.... i know i need to rewrite some lines in xconfig.conf but not sure which one's and what i need to write, the problem is that the display in gui ubuntu is all blurry and its like there are 4 different 'copies' of the desktop all on the screen at once overlapping each other and all blurry, can someone help?
[08:01] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: should be fine, though, even if it detects as sanother one.
[08:01] <linux_galore> problem I hit is you often have everything working on your year or more install then you hit a snag were it means a serious update of a whole load of things to get a new feature and your like...faster to do a new install
[08:01] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: still importing??
[08:01] <Linforcer> if I write a program in C++ does that mean I can compule it for Mac, Win and Lin, no matter what?
[08:01] <jeff_co> linux_galore, have u ever got a PTP I/O error in the "import photos" dialogue window? What's PTP, anyway?
[08:01] <linux_galore> new installs are also like a geeks version of a spring clean out of your system too i found
[08:02] <Dethread> tim7575, what kind of video card?
[08:02] <drcoded> hi all
[08:02] <dabaSlon> google:)
[08:02] <drcoded> I have lan and internet nic card
[08:02] <dabaSlon> yo, Dr. Coded...
[08:02] <tim7575> old trident blade 3d
[08:02] <Predius> Linforcer, depends
[08:02] <drcoded> I Want with iptables to let my lan users to get into internet any idea?
[08:02] <linux_galore> jeff_co: picture/photo transfer protocol
[08:02] <Linforcer> Predius, on what?
[08:02] <dabaSlon> whats that concept called,...??
[08:02] <Dethread> tim7575, and you're running warty?
[08:02] <Predius> What the program does.
[08:03] <linux_galore> drcoded: install firestarter...its allows you to define hosts as allow on the fly
[08:03] <Predius> If it's something simple like "hello world" then maybe.
[08:03] <Linforcer> Predius lets just say a game
[08:03] <drcoded> thanx
[08:03] <drcoded> thanx
[08:03] <drcoded> quit
[08:03] <drcoded> exit
[08:03] <dabaSlon> drcoded: no raelly worked for me...
[08:03] <ekCo> ah found the prob with my steam! cedega isn't playable on pci it looks, it requires agp memory buffering :o!
[08:03] <jeff_co> linux_galore, do you know why I'm getting PTPI/O error in the "import photos" dialogue, linux_galore ?
[08:03] <Linforcer> Predius not too simple
[08:03] <Predius> buy when it comes out of the terminal or starts using specific libraries, it starts having trouble
[08:03] <Linforcer> Predius but not huge wint 3d graphics and whatnot
[08:04] <tim7575> Dethread: hoary....
[08:04] <Predius> is it out of the terminal?
[08:04] <tim7575> Dethread: hairy
[08:04] <linux_galore> jeff_co: no...what i usually do when I get stuck is open www.google.com/linux  then punch in my device name and model in the search field and look around
[08:04] <Dethread> tim7575, ok...might have to get some special drivers for that card...
[08:04] <_tony> I just finally got kubuntu up after my ghosting MBR, and now when i added display entries to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, it wont see it through KDE
[08:04] <Linforcer> Predius, say it used SDL
[08:04] <dabaSlon> it should also work next time when you plug it in no problem, that is also a thing to try,..
[08:04] <_tony> I even used xorgcfg
[08:05] <dabaSlon> _tony: Comcast:-p
[08:05] <tim7575> Dethread: ive had the same problem on another distro once before and a guy helped me rewrite the Display Depth and monitor lines in xcongig.conf
[08:05] <_tony> shhh ;)
[08:05] <linux_galore> yeah some  digicams need to be plugged in twice ive found for some weird reason
[08:05] <Dethread> tim7575, hoary uses xorg, so the file is actually xorg.conf
[08:06] <Dethread> tim7575, well, let's see if google has anything to say about this...
[08:06] <_tony> Anyone have an idea?
[08:06] <jeff_co> linux_galore, thanks for the tip, i googled it up and got http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaDigitalCameras. it shows that my camera is supported by ubuntu. but what is causing the PTP I/O error then?
[08:06] <dabaSlon> jeff, bad connectyion? try again...
[08:06] <linux_galore> jeff_co: punch the error into the google link see what it throws up
[08:07] <linux_galore> jeff_co: also unplug and replug the device in again
[08:07] <dabaSlon> _tony: tell us wwhat you need done
[08:07] <linux_galore> jeff_co: wait 20 seconds though between each event
[08:08] <linux_galore> jeff_co: also you have to have the camera in a set mode in some cases or it wont allow access to the images
[08:08] <Dethread> tim7575, query
[08:08] <_tony> I need KDE configuration to recognize the display modes added in my xorg.conf
[08:08] <jeff_co> linux_galore, what's "set mode"?
[08:08] <aASa> Please sorry my english, but i need help. I want connect to internet with my Ubuntu, but it don't identify my radio acess... somebody can help me ?
[08:08] <ekCo> hmmph!
[08:08] <ekCo> still cant get cs to load
[08:08] <jeff_co> linux_galore, you mean the review mode, as opposed to the "take pictures" mode?
[08:08] <linux_galore> jeff_co: yes
[08:09] <dabaSlon> UbunTupiGuarani: um..so yur wireless internet is not working??
[08:10] <_tony> I need KDE configuration to recognize the display modes added in my xorg.conf, at the moment its 600x400 ish, 60hz, I need it higher, so i added the proper entries to the X11 fconfig, and it wont read  it. I tried restarting X, restarting comp..
[08:10] <UbunTupiGuarani> daniels yes.
[08:10] <UbunTupiGuarani> daniels i'm connecting now by windows
[08:10] <linux_galore> jeff_co: some camera lock the flash ram when in set modes
[08:10] <UbunTupiGuarani> daniels sorry, msg for dabaSlon
[08:10] <jeff_co> everybody, how come when i middle-click a tab in firefox, it doesn't close that tab anymore? what's wrong?
[08:10] <UbunTupiGuarani> dabaSlon yes.
[08:10] <UbunTupiGuarani> daba i'm connecting now by windows
[08:10] <dabaSlon> UbunTupiGuarani: um. you installed ndiswrapper? and did you check out if it is suported by linux?
[08:11] <jeff_co> linux_galore,  what's the significance of knowing that some camera lock the flash ram when in set modes?
[08:11] <linux_galore> _tony: kde doesnt define X or its mode or the resolution
[08:11] <linux_galore> _tony: kde just runs on top of X
[08:11] <_tony> Yes, i know
[08:11] <_tony> BUT
[08:11] <UbunTupiGuarani> daniels i just install the system
[08:11] <_tony> I edited the raw conf file
[08:12] <UbunTupiGuarani> daniels configure the dns and end.ip
[08:12] <dabaSlon> linux_galore: yeah, he needs the entries for xorg.conf.
[08:12] <UbunTupiGuarani> daniels gateway, etc..
[08:12] <_tony> and KDE wont read it or something, given that it wont find the other display modes
[08:12] <linux_galore> jeff_co: experience and me pulling my hair out for an hour with a kodak camera lol
[08:12] <_tony> that are currently IN my xorg.conf
[08:12] <dabaSlon> UbunTupiGuarani: um...you need to isntallyour wireless, likely.
[08:12] <UbunTupiGuarani> dabaSlon read the msg for other nick with d in first letter
[08:12] <linux_galore> _tony: were
[08:12] <dabaSlon> let us loko up if it is suported/
[08:12] <_tony>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:12] <UbunTupiGuarani> dabaSlon the suport people is sleeping now, i'm brazilian
[08:12] <dabaSlon> UbunTupiGuarani: I gotcha, dont worry about bad nick...
[08:13] <dabaSlon> no, thasts fine, I mean, lets me and yopu looki it up
[08:13] <jeff_co> a question about firefox: middleclikcing the tab does not close it anymore. What's wrong? How do i fix it?
[08:13] <dabaSlon> whats the make and model(make=brand)
[08:13] <UbunTupiGuarani> dabaSlon so.. i installed the ubuntu and configured(?) the net
[08:13] <_tony> example-
[08:13] <_tony> 	SubSection "Display"
[08:13] <_tony> 		Depth     24
[08:13] <_tony> 		Modes    "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[08:13] <_tony> 	EndSubSection
[08:14] <UbunTupiGuarani> dabaSlon but the firefoks dont' work
[08:14] <Tseug> Hey all, how would one go about getting embedded videos to play in Kubuntu?
[08:14] <linux_galore> _tony: setting the default resolution in xorg.conf depends on you understanding were you add the resolution options....you have to put the resolutions you want under the correct section that matches the colour resolution you select as the default
[08:14] <fazer> Hello, how do I update something that comes already installed with Ubuntu like Gaim?
[08:14] <waseem> hi i just plugged in a usb device into my computer, how do i format it?
[08:14] <_tony> Linux
[08:14] <_tony> At the moment
[08:14] <dabaSlon> fazer: sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:14] <linux_galore> _tony: yes but whats set as the default
[08:14] <_tony> Its edited the way xorgcfg edited to
[08:14] <dabaSlon> fazer: or, through synaptic
[08:14] <_tony> Where would default be then
[08:15] <fazer> dabaSlon: Ah yeah, synaptic!
[08:15] <UbunTupiGuarani> dabaSlon can be problem in interfaces, eth0 ?
[08:15] <_tony> Default screen is set, not display
[08:15] <fazer> dabaSlon: but apt-get upgrade seems faster
[08:15] <dabaSlon> UbunTupiGuarani: what does firefox hae to do with it?
[08:15] <Linforcer> dang I love crossover bringing Flash MX to Linux
[08:15] <dabaSlon> your wireless will be other ubuntu
[08:15] <dabaSlon> fuck proproetary software linforcer...
[08:15] <linux_galore> _tony: usually the default depth line is usually above the resolutions section  in your case it should be 24
[08:15] <UbunTupiGuarani> dabaSlon serious?!
[08:16] <dabaSlon> yup, let me know hte make and model
[08:16] <dabaSlon> ill get you the links righht now.
[08:16] <waseem> how do i format a device i plugged in via usb?
[08:16] <dabaSlon> I do this on my own time, you know?
[08:16] <UbunTupiGuarani> dabaSlon is possible the my internet-server don't recept(?) the ubuntu plataform ?
[08:16] <linux_galore> _tony: also remove all the optional resolutions and just out the single one you want there
[08:16] <dabaSlon> waseem: like what devic?
[08:16] <fazer> waseem: why format?
[08:16] <linux_galore> put*
[08:16] <UbunTupiGuarani> I NEED A ENGLISH COURSE
[08:16] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, you need to know the facts.
[08:16] <fazer> dabaSlon: I think he means a mass-storage device
[08:16] <UbunTupiGuarani> lol
[08:17] <Linforcer> haha dabaSlon I can draw good shiz with it and I dont poy for it .(.. erm ... because er.. my friend gave licences.. yeah)
[08:17] <linux_galore> ie Modes    "1280x1024"
[08:17] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, I understand your english fine.
[08:17] <UbunTupiGuarani> so
[08:17] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, your internet server(ISP internet service provider porivdes the ip address to the modem.
[08:17] <Tseug> Hey, how would i go about getting embedded videos to play in FF?
[08:17] <dabaSlon> Tseug: what is that?
[08:17] <NicP> UbunTupiGuarani, AN ENGLISH COURSE, not  A ENGLISH COURSE
[08:17] <NicP> ;)
[08:17] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, then, your router gets the IP address.
[08:17] <Linforcer> Tseug Mplayer plugin
[08:18] <UbunTupiGuarani> NicP is fock or fuck ?
[08:18] <UbunTupiGuarani> :)
[08:18] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, the orouter neds to be open without a WAPWPe, and all that.
[08:18] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, also, neeeds to be emitting the ssid.
[08:18] <UbunTupiGuarani> WAPWPe ?
[08:18] <dabaSlon> anyhow, tell me the wireless model, and brand, exactly.
[08:18] <dabaSlon> yeah, neither must be on,
[08:19] <dabaSlon> Read the Fine manual of your device.
[08:19] <UbunTupiGuarani> dabaSlon www.lognet.com.br
[08:19] <dabaSlon> k.
[08:19] <UbunTupiGuarani> VIA Compatable Fast Ethernet Adapter
[08:19] <dabaSlon> tell me the make and model.
[08:19] <linux_galore> _tony: transfer just didnt happen
[08:19] <_tony> gah
[08:19] <dabaSlon> sweet.
[08:19] <_tony> lemme upload it
[08:19] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, once the "import photos" finished its work, it opened another window (called GEdit, i think) but none of my pics showed up. What's up?
[08:19] <dabaSlon> gedit is a text editor.
[08:20] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: do you have a window with the pics??
[08:20] <UbunTupiGuarani> gEDIT
[08:20] <dabaSlon> if so, then what?
[08:20] <UbunTupiGuarani> dabaSlon and now?
[08:20] <waseem> dabaSlon: its an mp3 player
[08:20] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, um, your model, and brand, please.
[08:20] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, hold on, i unplugged camera and plugged it again. i think it's working now.
[08:20] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, you want my model and brand?
[08:20] <dabaSlon> waseem, is it shown in  /media?
[08:21] <waseem> dabaSlon: i know, but how do i format it?
[08:21] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: no, thanks, they are generic in linux.
[08:21] <dabaSlon> is it shown there?
[08:21] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: wow, it does close the tab:)
[08:21] <dabaSlon> sweet!
[08:22] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, whenever you are ready...
[08:23] <jeff_co> dabaSlon, you didn't know that about firefox?
[08:23] <linux_galore> hmm gaim did a dummy spit
[08:23] <UbunTupiGuarani> lognet.com.br
[08:23] <UbunTupiGuarani> this is my provider
[08:23] <dabaSlon> I saw it.
[08:23] <dabaSlon> jeff_co: no.:)
[08:24] <dabaSlon> thanks, tho.
[08:24] <dabaSlon> doesnt work in epiphany...
[08:24] <dabaSlon> :-p
[08:24] <UbunTupiGuarani> VIA Compatable Fast Ethernet Adapter
[08:24] <dabaSlon> Ubuntu, what is your wireless card brand, and model?
[08:24] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards ,
[08:25] <dabaSlon> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[08:25] <dabaSlon> and so on...
[08:25] <dabaSlon> UbunTu, it may not even be supported, my wireless on an Apple is not supported(thank god, I never had to set it up:-p)
[08:26] <dabaSlon> There was a guy, metalsand, tried for 6 days to set up his wireless...turns out it was hardware related.
[08:26] <_tony> linux_galore: you there?
[08:26] <dabaSlon> no, I am trhe only one!
[08:26] <dabaSlon> lmao
[08:26] <Predius> brb guys
[08:27] <UbunTupiGuarani> dabaSlon tomorrow is a new day
[08:27] <UbunTupiGuarani> sleep now
[08:27] <dabaSlon> k, cya then.
[08:27] <UbunTupiGuarani> dabaSlon thank you
[08:27] <dabaSlon> k, de nada:)
[08:27] <dabaSlon> do you speak spanish as well?
[08:28] <UbunTupiGuarani> dabaSlon a little best
[08:28] <UbunTupiGuarani> dabaSlon barramento PCI, this is the problem
[08:29] <dabaSlon> ah...
[08:29] <dabaSlon> :0
[08:29] <dabaSlon> hah
[08:29] <dabaSlon> Im high, dont mind me...
[08:29] <UbunTupiGuarani> bye
[08:29] <dabaSlon> cya
[08:29] <dabaSlon> good night
[08:29] <blake> hellow
[08:29] <dabaSlon> yo, blake.
[08:30] <blake> i didn't think about this earleyer but how hard is it to get usb to work right
[08:30] <dabaSlon> did yuo plug it in?
[08:31] <blake> well should i even boter with out drivers
[08:31] <blake> lol
[08:31] <dabaSlon> andy fitz...
[08:31] <AndyFitz> dabaSlon..
[08:31] <dabaSlon> blake, try plugging it in...
[08:31] <dabaSlon> Stnd Daba...
[08:31] <blake> :))
[08:31] <blake> ok
[08:31] <Linforcer> bah
[08:32] <dabaSlon> meh
[08:32] <dabaSlon> sir elmaya...
[08:32] <Linforcer> why does anything openGL SDL related give me
[08:32] <Linforcer> Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
[08:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i toggle things in alsamixer from off to on?
[08:32] <dabaSlon> ,
[08:32] <dabaSlon> m
[08:32] <elmaya> yo
[08:32] <linux_galore> Linforcer: does glxgears test work
[08:32] <dabaSlon> yo@elmaya...
[08:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> awesome
[08:33] <dabaSlon> not bad, eh?
[08:33] <Predius> Guys, I just remembered. You know how in some distros, eg Slackware, they have an image between the booloader and X?
[08:33] <dabaSlon> tseug is back...
[08:33] <Predius> not exactly a splash screen.
[08:33] <Linforcer> linux_galore Unsupported option 'test'.
[08:33] <Tseug> Hey, how woul di go about getting embedded quicktime movies in FF?
[08:33] <dabaSlon> ok...
[08:33] <dabaSlon> um...rpms,...
[08:33] <linux_galore> Linforcer: just type  glxgears
[08:34] <dabaSlon> Tseug: what is it??
[08:34] <Predius> But Slackware has a tux on the top between bootloader ans x
[08:34] <dabaSlon> the embedded thing?
[08:34] <Linforcer> linux_galore works
[08:34] <linux_galore> Linforcer: whats the number you get when minimized
[08:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't get the spdif out to work
[08:34] <dabaSlon> tseug, what is embedded video?
[08:35] <Linforcer> 7991 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1598.200 FPS
[08:35] <linux_galore> Linforcer: yeah graphics driver is fine
[08:35] <dabaSlon> Predius: ubuntu PPC has a penguin right before the load after grub.
[08:35] <Linforcer> yeah >.>
[08:35] <Linforcer> SDL thing maybe
[08:35] <Tseug> daba, talk to me in the priv chat :D
[08:35] <Linforcer> ohwell
[08:35] <linux_galore> Linforcer: sounds like something is missing
[08:36] <Linforcer> one would say so
[08:36] <glasseye1> hey yall
[08:36] <glasseye1> can you install java on ubuntu through apt-get?
[08:36] <Linforcer> but Ive got all the sdl libs and stuff
[08:36] <dabaSlon> yo one glass eye...
[08:36] <Thirsteh> glasseye1, www.ubuntuguide.org - Find the Java guide, easiest way.
[08:36] <glasseye1> alright thanks for the tip
[08:36] <Thirsteh> np
[08:36] <linux_galore> Linforcer: could be an unlisted dependency or some minor hack..have you entered the error into  www.google.com/linux
[08:37] <dabaSlon> glasseye1: also, ubuntu wiki search "restrictedformats"
[08:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is LFE in alsa/audio terms?
[08:39] <tweakism> Hello.
[08:39] <Tseug> howdy!
[08:39] <dabaSlon> BROKEN_LADDER: crimsun may know.
[08:40] <tweakism> I'm really enjoying Ubuntu.  Installed it on my main laptop at work, after being away from serious Linux usage for several months.
[08:40] <Tseug> awesome :] 
[08:40] <tweakism> Was a Linux/Unix admin.  Ubuntu is really polished, compared to things I've used in the past aimed at end-users.
[08:40] <linux_galore> tweakism: yeah Linux in the last 6 months has made some serious fixes to the desktop/laptop side of things
[08:40] <Linforcer> just some stuff about sdl image
[08:40] <tweakism> linux_galore: Seems so, am trying to catch up.
[08:40] <Linforcer> which is installed
[08:41] <Linforcer> oh well
[08:41] <dabaSlon> oh, yeah, tweakism, its the apps.
[08:41] <linux_galore> yeah amount of newbie apps poping up lately for doing simple taks is eye opening
[08:42] <linux_galore> tasks*
[08:42] <tweakism> It's kind of cool that my apps of choice (OpenOffice, Firefox, Gaim) are preferred/supported by the distro.
[08:42] <linux_galore> well IBM now supports Firefox
[08:42] <tweakism> I normally run a minimal WM (fluxbox, xfce), but the Gnome stuffs is so.. nice.
[08:42] <Tseug> Anyone having any problems getting Kynaptic to run?
[08:43] <dabaSlon> oh, yeah, I love gtk, totally.
[08:43] <dabaSlon> so nice for the eyes...
[08:43] <dabaSlon> :)
[08:43] <tweakism> The GUI config stuff also seems to work well.  And Synaptic is awesome.  For the first time, a Linux distro has given me GUI config that works faster and simpler than config file editing.  I'm impressed.  I've also been out of the loop for a while.
[08:43] <dabaSlon> Tseug: I use synaptic myslef.
[08:43] <linux_galore> noticed HP is isntalling Linux (ubuntu) on laptops with support from canonical (hope thats right)
[08:43] <tweakism> Yeah, saw that on Slashdot.org
[08:43] <Burgundavia> linux_galore, it is
[08:43] <dabaSlon> tweakism: I just started using linux, and yeah, its pretty good.
[08:43] <ekCo> linux > MS all over
[08:43] <ekCo> MS is going down
[08:43] <Burgundavia> and they are not installing, just providing disks
[08:44] <ekCo> Ut2007 is already making a seperate disc just for linux people :)
[08:44] <dabaSlon> oh, yeah, baby:)
[08:44] <linux_galore> cononical......funny name but great software  heh heh
[08:44] <dabaSlon> haha
[08:44] <Linforcer> linux_galore it's a little trickier than that
[08:44] <ekCo> epic and icculus must love us :D
[08:44] <dabaSlon> yeah, cononical would be funny...
[08:44] <dabaSlon> haha
[08:44] <Linforcer> linux_galore you can choose the freedos install and then they give an edited ubuntu with the laptop
[08:44] <ekCo> you guys hear about the new EPIC game?
[08:44] <ekCo> using UE3?
[08:45] <tweakism> It was tough to get the go-ahead to install a Linux at work.  IT strictly polices installed software, and requires all of it to have approval.  I played up the advantage of network debugging tools being easily available that I'm familiar with, and when my IT boss finally asked me if I would like a low-spec surplus laptop to install Linux on, I jumped on the chance to explain dual-booting.
[08:45] <Linforcer> linux_galore it's a little too hidden a deal to give them credit for it
[08:45] <ekCo> Gears of War - The main character of Gears of War is a former prisoner named Marcus Fenix. On the planet Sera the human forces call themselves "The Coalition of Ordered Governments" and are locked in a struggle with an enemy known as The Locusts. The enemy forces are made up of foot soldiers, the giant ogre-like creatures shown in the Unreal Engine demos, and flying menaces known as Kryll bats.
[08:45] <linux_galore> Linforcer: is it an image install or a proper install...would be better for newbies if it was an image with all the hacks and fixes pre done
[08:45] <ekCo> http://oceaniaut.com/images/news/large_428612f209c65_Barricade.jpg
[08:46] <ekCo> http://oceaniaut.com/images/news/large_428612f335b7c_GOW1.jpg
[08:46] <blake> why won't ubuntu find my removeable disc on windows when i am shareing it?
[08:46] <Linforcer> linux_galore not sure, I'm just parrotting a comment from a slashdot user
[08:46] <ekCo> http://oceaniaut.com/images/news/large_428612f41adc8_Fireteam3.jpg
[08:47] <linux_galore> Linforcer: Ive always though it would be cool that a distro would have pre configured installed images on a server and all you do is install the image that matches you machine make/model  and everything is hacked in already and it even has a system specific kernel....I would pay for that service to be honest
[08:47] <dabaSlon> ekco, man, dont be childish, how old are you?
[08:47] <ekCo> 15
[08:47] <dabaSlon> ok, then./
[08:47] <blake> dfoes anyone know
[08:47] <blake> ???
[08:47] <ekCo> what is childish?
[08:47] <blake> Does
[08:48] <Burgundavia> ekCo, please stop spamming
[08:48] <ekCo> .....
[08:48] <dabaSlon> haha, tweakism, awesome:)
[08:48] <Linforcer> linux_galore point isnt if its worth the money. point is you have to KNOw about it to got it. they dont advertise it in anyway
[08:48] <linux_galore> ekCo: childish - not acting in a mature manner
[08:48] <blake> why won't ubuntu find my removeable disc on windows when i am shareing it?
[08:48] <ekCo> linux_galore, i ment what dabaSlon was reffering to.
[08:49] <dabaSlon> blake, please paste output of ls /media to http://pastebin.ca .
[08:49] <dabaSlon> ekco, nothing, youre 15, youre fine...
[08:49] <linux_galore> Linforcer: yeah but have the normal long way install CD but offer a subscription install if the installer notices the machine is of a set make and model that has a pre configured image on the net
[08:49] <blake> what do oyu mean 15/
[08:49] <blake> ?
[08:50] <antix> is there a version 1.0.4 of firefox available for ubuntu? I can't get plugins now etc using 1.0.2...
[08:50] <dabaSlon> blake, the other msg was for ekco...
[08:50] <Burgundavia> antix, a fix is coming for that issue
[08:50] <Marble2> antix: download source, checkinstall, install .deb file using dpkg
[08:50] <Linforcer> antix if you update using apt-get it will be patched
[08:50] <dabaSlon> give me the url after you paste
[08:51] <moua> is ubuntu a geek or industrial linux distrib ?
[08:51] <dabaSlon> a yuppie.
[08:51] <moua> :)
[08:51] <Linforcer> xD
[08:51] <dabaSlon> hah
[08:51] <blake> so you can't tell me... right
[08:51] <Stereo> a bathtub oarsman's distribution
[08:51] <Burgundavia> moua, ubuntu is for everybody
[08:51] <antix> Linforcer, I did apt-get update but there were no new packages?
[08:51] <dabaSlon> blake, please paste output of ls /media to http://pastebin.ca .
[08:51] <Stereo> have you ever seen a bathtub oarsman who didn't use ubuntu? Thought so.
[08:51] <Linforcer> update and then UPGRADE
[08:51] <tweakism> moua: it seems to be directed toward end-users, but it's based on apt and appear, on first glance, just because of flexibility, to be workable in the enterprise.
[08:52] <Linforcer> ;)
[08:52] <linux_galore> antix: just download firefox from the home page unpack the tarball then run the install as a user once thats done just creat a link on your desktop or task bar to the firefox  binary  ie /home/user_name/Documents/firefox-installer/firefox
[08:52] <moua> Burgundavia : what i mean... can we tweak it easily (for geeks) ?
[08:52] <Stereo> ubuntu is african for oarsmen to the bathtubs
[08:52] <Burgundavia> moua, sure, as tweakable as debian is
[08:52] <moua> ok :)
[08:52] <Predius> Actually, which Linux is not?
[08:52] <Linforcer> linux_galore, when I did it like that I got probs with libmozjs
[08:52] <moua> let's test ubuntu ;)
[08:53] <Predius> Suse has some problems with Yast and manually configuring, but I don't know more.
[08:53] <moua> Predius : lindows ?
[08:53] <dabaSlon> haha stereo././.lol
[08:53] <linux_galore> Linforcer: did you install it in your home directory
[08:53] <Linforcer> linux_galore, ya
[08:53] <antix> linux_galore, ok thanks I'll try that
[08:53] <linux_galore> Linforcer: type  rm -rf  ~/.mozilla/
[08:53] <Linforcer> >.>
[08:54] <Predius> Linspire, moua
[08:54] <Predius> never tried it, probably never wil.
[08:54] <moua> Predius : i mean, Linsipe is not a very "geek" distrib
[08:54] <Predius> yeah
[08:54] <linux_galore> Linforcer: I found old plugins and extensions can make firefox break if you do a fresh install
[08:54] <Linforcer> linux_galore, never mind 102 will do
[08:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i make apt-get not try to use a cd, but go online?
[08:54] <_luke_> anyone know how to restart the entire network interface?
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> ifconfig eth0?
[08:55] <Linforcer> linux_galore, dont wanna reget all that stuff >.>
[08:55] <linux_galore> Linforcer:  1.03/4 is way faster than 1.02
[08:55] <Predius> ifconfig eth0 down
[08:55] <Predius> ifconfig eth0 up
[08:55] <Burgundavia> BROKEN_LADDER, go into synaptic and remove the cd rom from your sources list
[08:55] <_luke_> thanks predius
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> can't i do it from the command line?
[08:55] <moua> where is ubuntu between debian, Linsipe mandrake and fedora (and maybe suse) ?
[08:55] <Burgundavia> BROKEN_LADDER, sure, edit sources.list
[08:55] <Predius> As in?
[08:55] <Linforcer> moua off the scale xD
[08:55] <Predius> moua, what do you mean?
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> ah yes..it in source.list
[08:55] <linux_galore> Linforcer: well you can also go  mv ~/.mozilla   ~/mozilla-old
[08:56] <linux_galore> Linforcer: that way you dont lose anything
[08:56] <moua> Predius : for what kind of people ubuntu is mainly made for ?
[08:56] <Linforcer> meh.. I'll try it some time I havent been up for around 24 hrs
[08:56] <Linforcer> thanks anyway
[08:56] <Linforcer> xD
[08:56] <Burgundavia> moua, anybody, but mainly desktop users
[08:56] <moua> (and don't answer me anyone ;) )
[08:57] <dabaSlon> ubuntu is linux for humans.
[08:57] <Linforcer> moua it was made ESPECIALLY FOR YOU
[08:57] <dabaSlon> there.
[08:57] <Linforcer> xD
[08:57] <RUBY> hello!!! pleas answer what is it:
[08:57] <RUBY> May 15 14:28:57 rt3 dhcpd: bogus UDP packet length: 25421
[08:57] <RUBY> May 15 14:28:57 rt3 dhcpd: bogus UDP packet length: 25427
[08:57] <RUBY> ?
[08:57] <dabaSlon> lol
[08:57] <BBurger> moua: "Linux For Human Beings" is what it says on the box... :)
[08:57] <moua> Linforcer : THAT is the answer :)
[08:57] <TriniTriggs> hey, does anyone here know how to make sound work for flash in firefox?
[08:57] <BBurger> ... or it would, if it came in a box
[08:57] <Linforcer> haha
[08:57] <tweakism> Anyone here familiar with Daniel Quinn and his series of books including Ishmael?  Ubuntu's "system that works for people" is pretty harmonious with his ideas (that I also like :)
[08:57] <tweakism> +idea of
[08:58] <Burgundavia> TriniTriggs, yes, just a sec
[08:58] <Predius> everyone, moua
[08:58] <ekCo> when using xchat, how do you add extra channels to auto join?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> TriniTriggs, do this 'sudo ln -fs /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1'
[08:58] <Burgundavia> ekCo, edit the server list
[08:58] <dabaSlon> ruby, a udp packet with a bogus length, where did you get that?
[08:58] <ekCo> yeah, but you can only put one in there, like #chan1
[08:58] <TriniTriggs> sweet
[08:58] <RUBY> this my router logs
[08:58] <TriniTriggs> thanks
[08:59] <TriniTriggs> why isn't that set by default?
[08:59] <dabaSlon> ruby, and...
[08:59] <ekCo> how do you add me? with a space, or commar?
[08:59] <Burgundavia> TriniTriggs, no idea
[08:59] <Burgundavia> ekCo, comma
[08:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> if anyone knows how to get the spdif digital optical out working from alsamixer or whatever, i'd love to know.
[08:59] <TriniTriggs> I'm sure it's coming
[08:59] <TriniTriggs> thanks
[08:59] <ekCo> kthnx
[08:59] <RUBY> router atack IMHO
[08:59] <Burgundavia> TriniTriggs, there is some work with audio for the next release
[08:59] <capi> whats the main differences between /usr/src and /usr/local/src ?
[09:00] <dabaSlon> ruby, youll be fine:0
[09:00] <RUBY> he
[09:00] <dabaSlon> they are subdirectories under a diff directory:-p
[09:00] <bdmp> got a question I am doing a wireless install faq and the command they want me to do is"cd /usr/src
[09:00] <bdmp> tar xvzf ~/ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz
[09:00] <bdmp> " ,but when I do it I get "root@chibi:/usr/src # tar xvzf ~/ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz
[09:00] <bdmp> tar: /root/ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[09:00] <bdmp> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[09:00] <bdmp> tar: Child returned status 2
[09:00] <bdmp> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[09:00] <bdmp> ".  When i do ls i get,"root@chibi:/usr/src # ls
[09:00] <dabaSlon> man, that blake is slow...
[09:00] <bdmp> linux-headers-2.6.10-5  linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386  ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz  rpm
[09:01] <bdmp> "  The file is right there in the ls, but it says its not. Whats going on?
[09:01] <dabaSlon> bla bla
[09:01] <dabaSlon> uyp
[09:01] <dabaSlon> lol
[09:01] <RUBY> where print bogus udp in this time local area connection be absent
[09:01] <moua> lol.. i found that page searching for ubuntu shoots : http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/ it's so true :)
[09:02] <dabaSlon> um, bdmp, the file is in /root?
[09:02] <bdmp> what does that mean? isn't it in /usr/src?
[09:02] <bdmp> oh
[09:02] <bdmp> I see
[09:02] <dabaSlon> you did a ~/, whiich means, yeah...
[09:02] <dabaSlon> ./
[09:02] <bdmp> it is in the root account not the user account
[09:02] <dabaSlon> or just nothing...
[09:03] <dabaSlon> nope, maybe the other way around...
[09:03] <bdmp> wait. explain that once more.
[09:03] <dabaSlon> well, I never did...
[09:03] <dabaSlon> anyhow, what is the directory it is under>?
[09:04] <bdmp> what is the difference between ./ and the other one
[09:04] <dabaSlon> . means this, ~ means home dir.
[09:04] <RUBY> dabaSlon What ideas in this occasion are?
[09:04] <bdmp> root@chibi:/usr/src # ls
[09:04] <bdmp> linux-headers-2.6.10-5  linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386  ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz  rpm
[09:04] <bdmp> . so it is in the root right
[09:04] <dabaSlon> ruby, not sure of your english there, but, you should be fine for attacks...
[09:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> oops...there's an error on the ubuntu site.
[09:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> This is an interim page, that does not show more then some basic data from the dataset.
[09:04] <RedNeck_> Will it be posible to install KDE in Ubuntu?
[09:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> easy as pie
[09:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> apt-get install kde
[09:05] <dabaSlon> nope, it is in the, tar xvzf ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz
[09:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> takes a few seconds.
[09:05] <dabaSlon> that is the command you want.
[09:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> or, sudo apt-get install kde
[09:05] <RedNeck_> thanks
[09:05] <Burgundavia> RedNeck_, you need kubuntu-desktop not kde
[09:06] <dabaSlon> it is in the same dir as you are , and that is /usr/src
[09:06] <bdmp> yeah do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:06] <dabaSlon> also repped by the . if you did a ls -a
[09:06] <RUBY> dabaSlon Broad gullies of my router show simply such messages and it hangs during this moment
[09:06] <dabaSlon> in that directory, off course, in another, it would mean the current directory.
[09:06] <linux_galore> Ive figured out how to get firefox to ignore all adds.....just put  */ads/*  in the spam filter
[09:07] <dabaSlon> routers suck, imho, but, your OEM may know more.
[09:07] <antix> linux_galore, I installed firefox as you said but it doesn't use .mozilla with my bookmarks etc?
[09:07] <linux_galore> addblock spam filter  sorry
[09:07] <bdmp> dabaSlon: I am not following.  Where is the ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz? right? it's in the " tar xvzf ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz" ? isn't that just a command?
[09:08] <linux_galore> antix: you can tell firefox to import them
[09:08] <dabaSlon> it is the command you need, it is where you are now, and that is /usr/src
[09:08] <bdmp> oh I se
[09:08] <dabaSlon> there, that says it.
[09:08] <bdmp> ok
[09:08] <bdmp> sorry
[09:08] <dabaSlon> ~ means home for current user, and in your case, tsk, tsk, it is /root
[09:08] <bdmp> I confuse my self
[09:08] <dabaSlon> I am high, that doesnt help either...
[09:09] <bdmp> ha
[09:09] <dabaSlon> on the explanation part.
[09:09] <dabaSlon> . means current foklder.
[09:09] <bdmp> oh
[09:09] <dabaSlon> so  tar ./tar xvzf ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz would have also worked.
[09:09] <bdmp> right
[09:10] <bdmp> word
[09:10] <antix> linux_galore, do you know which dir the new firefox use for settings? I can't import as the Next button doesn't work in Import.. strange
[09:10] <linux_galore> have to be carefull if you install firefox 1.04 old extensions can break it so often you have to type  mv ~/.mozilla/  mozilla-old
[09:10] <dabaSlon> if there was a /usr/src/bin, then if you were there, tar ../tar xvzf ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz
[09:10] <dabaSlon> cause, .. means parent folder.
[09:10] <linux_galore> antix: on my system firefox uses  ~/.mozilla/
[09:10] <dabaSlon> I love my little Unix lessons.
[09:10] <bdmp> wait why 2 dots?
[09:11] <RUBY> dabaSlon We have a router on the basis of Linux Fedora Core 3. Has disconnected dhcpd a router like as works stably as soon as I start dhcpd the router hangs after a while and after it  in broad gullies messages stand out: dhcpd: bogus UDP packet length: 25421 dhcpd: bogus UDP packet length: 25427 dhcpd: bogus UDP packet length: 25421
[09:11] <dabaSlon> cause cd ..
[09:11] <dabaSlon> I am ESL, guilles is portuguese for me.
[09:11] <RUBY> dabaSlon We have a router on the basis of Linux Fedora Core 3. Has disconnected dhcpd a router like as works stably as soon as I start dhcpd the router hangs after a while and after it restarting in broad gullies messages stand out: dhcpd: bogus UDP packet length: 25421 dhcpd: bogus UDP packet length: 25427 dhcpd: bogus UDP packet length: 25421
[09:12] <Predius> RUBY, #fedora
[09:12] <RUBY> ok!
[09:12] <dabaSlon> I dont know about routers. THey work in the network layer of the OSI model;)
[09:13] <srid> anjuta2 released!!! .. update the ubuntu package!!
[09:13] <dabaSlon> yay
[09:13] <Predius> anjuta?
[09:13] <dabaSlon> let me update and uograde
[09:13] <Predius> Explain?
[09:13] <dabaSlon> cya ruby,..
[09:13] <Predius> What is it?
[09:13] <dabaSlon> update...
[09:13] <dabaSlon> yay
[09:14] <Predius> ah, like Kdevelop?
[09:14] <antix> linux_galore, here too when I moved the old it created a new .mozilla.. I guess I'll just wait until there is a 1.0.4 ubuntu package. is it possible to see the progress on that somewhere?
[09:14] <dabaSlon> Predius: google;)
[09:14] <Predius> I apt-cache searched it. Easier, geekier.
[09:15] <Predius> brb again, guys.
[09:15] <srid> dabaSlon, oh, you are the maintainer of anjuta package?
[09:16] <dabaSlon> ok, night, srid
[09:16] <dabaSlon> no.
[09:16] <srid> oh
[09:18] <bigbill52a> someone else is from yuma, az on the same internet server...
[09:19] <linux_galore> antix: wouldnt know
[09:19] <bigbill52a> they just came and went...
[09:20] <bigbill52a> there are at least 2 people using ubuntu here...
[09:20] <linux_galore> lol
[09:20] <jeff_co> linux_galore, so do you still recommend i get QT even if I can use skype?
[09:20] <linux_galore> jeff_co: skype wont run without QT
[09:21] <capi> When updating the repositories on the ubuntuguide, it says to something with gpg. What is the purpose of the gpg key commands?
[09:21] <jeff_co> linux_galore, oh, maybe that means I've got QT, right?
[09:21] <Predius> security, capi
[09:21] <linux_galore> jeff_co: i use the KDE desktop so Qt is isntalled anyway, all i need then is to download the standard skype client from the skype home page
[09:21] <TheKark> oh yeah, just set up my gentoo samba server thing
[09:21] <Burgundavia> capi, to prevent an error, and you should use the backports hoary-extras rather than marilliat
[09:21] <linux_galore> jeff_co: if you can run skype and the UI pops up it means Qt is installed
[09:21] <Predius> they make sure that those are the real packages
[09:22] <jeff_co> linux_galore, thanks. QTmust have come with the Gnome desktop, i guess?
[09:22] <linux_galore> jeff_co: no QT isnt part of gnome  gnome uses gtk
[09:22] <capi> I didn't use marilliat, never works right for me. So do I just execute those commands every time I add a new repo. Or will the command be different for different repos?
[09:23] <jeff_co> ok.
[09:24] <Burgundavia> capi, different repos will have different keys
[09:24] <capi> how do I find the correct repo keys then?
[09:24] <TheKark> anyone know why my pentium 3 keeps freezing when loading grub, but then after a restart, works fine?
[09:24] <Burgundavia> capi,  for what?
[09:25] <Burgundavia> capi, most repos haven't switched over to signing
[09:25] <linux_galore> TheKark: sounds like an acpi problem
[09:25] <linux_galore> TheKark: do you use an intel chipset (not just the cpu) on the motherboard
[09:25] <capi> okay, so not all repos will have a gpg key?
[09:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know how to install audacity?
[09:25] <TheKark> linux_galore: hmm, i dunno
[09:25] <Burgundavia> capi, some will, but all you need is ubuntu and the hoary-extras
[09:26] <linux_galore> TheKark: also make sure plug and play is disabled in the bios and turn of any power management
[09:26] <TheKark> linux_galore: alright, ill check that out
[09:27] <TheKark> linux_galore: um, plug and play for what? pci?
[09:27] <linux_galore> TheKark:   lspci -v|grep -iA 6 "host bridge"
[09:27] <bdmp> Can some one answer this question? this is my second time trying to install wireless.  I did the command"root@chibi:/home/bdmp/windows_drivers # ndiswrapper -i /windows_drivers/bcmwl5.inf
[09:27] <bdmp> " and it said,"bcmwl5 is already installed. Use -e to remove it
[09:27] <bdmp> ". Does that mean that the command that I should do to remove the old file is" # ndiswrapper -e /windows_drivers/bcmwl5.inf
[09:27] <bdmp> "? The file has the same name but it is actually different I think.
[09:28] <linux_galore> TheKark: most of the stuff on the bios the kernel bins when it boots
[09:28] <linux_galore> TheKark: some things can cause conflicts
[09:28] <TheKark> linux_galore: right..
[09:29] <TheKark> linux_galore: just let me boot, then Ill check out the lspci
[09:30] <linux_galore> heeeelp Im turning into a nix geek
[09:31] <TheKark> my gentoo machine doesn't have lspci :(
[09:31] <TheKark> hehe
[09:31] <linux_galore> TheKark: might be a root only option
[09:31] <TheKark> linux_galore: im logged in as root
[09:32] <linux_galore> TheKark:  su  -   -c  lspci  -v|grep  -iA  6  "host bridge"
[09:32] <linux_galore> heh suck on that one
[09:32] <TheKark> yup
[09:32] <ekCo> how do you install nvidia pci-e drivers?
[09:32] <linux_galore> strange ive used Vidalinux and lspci is there
[09:33] <TheKark> oh well, i'm sure it's something weird with the computer... now on to my next question, starting samba on boot
[09:33] <linux_galore> Vidalinux == Gentoo
[09:33] <TheKark> i just build a stage 2 on that machine
[09:33] <ekCo> how do you install nvidia pci-e drivers?
[09:33] <daniels> ekCo: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto, please don't repeat
[09:34] <TheKark> i never got to installing anything past the kernel and a couple other things
[09:34] <ekCo> yeah soz, i was in another window and pressed up ;p;
[09:34] <ekCo> wrong window*
[09:34] <linux_galore> TheKark: well Vidalinux is like an easy very of gentoo
[09:34] <linux_galore> version*
[09:35] <TheKark> linux_galore: really, maybe i'll check that one out in a bit
[09:35] <TheKark> linux_galore: i installed gentoo on dialup so it was slllllloooowww
[09:35] <bdmp> Can some one tell me how to get out of man pages?
[09:35] <linux_galore> TheKark: get gentoo and put an easy installer on it and you have Vidalinux
[09:36] <linux_galore> TheKark: have to be game to use a gentoo ebuild distro with dial up
[09:37] <bigbill52a> q i think
[09:37] <TheKark> linux_galore: heh, yeah, that's why i shall use this machine as a samba server, didn't take long to download/compile
[09:37] <stuNNed> is it true that you can install vidalinux and update using commands to make it a true gentoo install
[09:37] <bigbill52a> yep  to get out of man pages...just press q
[09:38] <bigbill52a> bdmp...just press q
[09:38] <patfm> anyone know if suspend works with vaio laptops?
[09:38] <bdmp> thanks
[09:41] <shad0w1e> I'm having a couple of problems with my linux. I'm using NVIDIA drivers and my fonts became huge.. also quake 3 give me a "cannot open OpenGL" error. Is there a special Nvidia config program I need to use?
[09:41] <BBurger> does anyone know if the new LightScribe CD/DVD burners will work in Ubuntu? looks like cool tech, thinking of buying one
[09:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i specify which device a program will use to record or play sound?
[09:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> say i want different programs to use different sound devices for different t hings
[09:41] <TheKark> shad0w1e: is your xorg.conf set to use the nvidia drivers?
[09:42] <shad0w1e> shad0w1e: yes
[09:42] <shad0w1e> I get the "nvidia" screen when I go into X
[09:42] <shad0w1e> 3d is also working in unreal tournament
[09:42] <count0nz> glxgears work ?
[09:42] <shad0w1e> but KDE's fonts are much bigger since I started using the nvidia driver, and this other problem...
[09:42] <ekCo> my nvidia drivers have been skrewed.. how can i reinstall them?
[09:43] <Raquen> an application can read .wmv extension file?
[09:43] <hayden> how would ubuntu run on a 450-800mhz computer? with/without gui
[09:43] <shad0w1e> hayden: of course!
[09:43] <shad0w1e> hayden: i was just running it on a p2 266 with 192 ram
[09:43] <shad0w1e> with X
[09:43] <drummer> how do you set the display pic for an msn account in gaim?
[09:43] <count0nz> hayden: 733 P2 233 with 192 meg ram runs just fine also :)
[09:43] <shad0w1e> it was slowish but most definitely usable
[09:43] <hayden> ok
[09:44] <count0nz> and lol that was KDE
[09:44] <shad0w1e> yes that was with KDE
[09:44] <hayden> i was just thinking about buying an old p3 or similar and using it as an experimental computer/server
[09:44] <shad0w1e> GNOME was even slower, interestingly enough...
[09:44] <hayden> hmm
[09:44] <shad0w1e> hayden: great ide
[09:44] <shad0w1e> idea
[09:44] <TheKark> drummer: in the accounts menu
[09:44] <count0nz> P3's are genraly faster for servers then celerons even
[09:44] <shad0w1e> although you shouldnt have to buy one
[09:44] <shad0w1e> people are throwing them out!
[09:45] <TheKark> drummer: then goto your msn account then edit then there should be a buddy icon or something
[09:45] <shad0w1e> I just inherited a p3 866 mhz with 128 ram, as well as a 1GHZ athlon
[09:45] <Kimppa> Hello. I have a weird problem. I haven't been able to play my mp3's with xmms/amarok  since I last upgraded. I can however play mp3s with eg totem movie player. o_O
[09:45] <Kimppa> xmms just freezes when I try to play a song
[09:45] <hayden> shad0w1e: whoa, thats pretty good
[09:46] <ekCo> how do i uninstall nvidia drivers?
[09:46] <drummer> thanks
[09:46] <shad0w1e> shad0w1e: Yes, I upgraded someones comp and they gave me their old one...
[09:46] <drummer> couldn't see it anywhere
[09:46] <hayden> shad0w1e: at the moment i have debian installed on my evaluation copy of vmware on my laptop
[09:46] <shad0w1e> not the way to really use it...
[09:46] <hayden> nah
[09:46] <TheKark> drummer: it is hiding
[09:47] <shad0w1e> I say get a P3, put linux on it, host a website, an ftp, and some unreal tournament
[09:47] <hayden> yep
[09:47] <shad0w1e> I just upgraded from a p2 266 to a P3 500, for my linux server
[09:48] <shad0w1e> they all run linux at okay speeds
[09:48] <count0nz> this is how fast my P3 733 with 512meg is Calibrating delay loop... 1449.98 BogoMIPS (lpj=724992)
[09:48] <hayden> how did the 266 run, did it slow down at all when accessing big files, or having alot of connections on it
[09:48] <shad0w1e> hayden: I only used it as a router, really
[09:48] <hayden> yea
[09:48] <shad0w1e> BUT, I used a p3 500 with 256 ram for a whole lot
[09:49] <TheKark> old computers of for routers
[09:49] <shad0w1e> I mean, like 3 vnc sessions open simultaneously running KDE, plus FTP and other junk, and it was fine
[09:49] <hayden> ok
[09:49] <shad0w1e> the thing about servers is you arent sitting at the machine, so speeds are measured very differently
[09:49] <hayden> yea
[09:49] <shad0w1e> a p3 might even be better than a p4
[09:50] <hayden> how is that?
[09:50] <shad0w1e> supposedly a p3 is a better chip, but a p4 has better clock speeds
[09:50] <shad0w1e> but i dont know...
[09:50] <tim7575> All: Dethread just tried help me edit my xorg.config so my screen stopped looking crazy, but we couldnt get it fixed.. anyone else wanna try?
[09:50] <jcinacio> true
[09:51] <shad0w1e> a p3 will run windows xp like crap, but itll run a server great, for example
[09:51] <hayden> yep
[09:52] <ekCo> hmmg
[09:52] <ekCo> glxgears is running at 10fps
[09:52] <count0nz> P3 has 512K cache ram Celecon 256..... and technicly a P3 shuld beat a higher clocked Celeron chip for some things
[09:52] <tirade> I've got this strange thing happening where most sound--system events, Rhythmbox--comes out of my onboard intel output. But anything in Totem/Xine goes through the soundblaster.
[09:52] <ekCo> drivers are up to date?
[09:52] <ekCo> how can reinstall the drivers?
[09:53] <PrediusV2> Night guys.
[09:53] <tirade> anyone know how I can change Totem/Xine so they use the onboard sound and not the soundblaster?
[09:53] <count0nz> Night PrediusV2
[09:54] <mandingo> I'm getting a couple errors starting X. First off it is telling me that it is skipping all of the libGLcore files because they're not found, finally it gives me an errors saying there are no devices detected
[09:54] <mandingo> can anyone give me any insight into this?
[09:54] <shad0w1e> so anyone know why my I'm getting this:
[09:54] <shad0w1e> Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
[09:54] <count0nz> ekCo, check you have glx commented and and glcore added in its place
[09:54] <shad0w1e> in quake 3 ?
[09:54] <count0nz> in your xorg.conf
[09:54] <TheKark> yaa, samba is working
[09:54] <ekCo> count0nz, where?
[09:54] <count0nz> also i disable DRU i don't think that matters tho
[09:54] <mandingo> ekCo: /etc/X11/xorg.cong
[09:54] <mandingo> ekCo: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:55] <count0nz> yes xorg.conf
[09:55] <count0nz> DRI i mean
[09:55] <ekCo> ok
[09:55] <ekCo> brb
[09:56] <TheKark> anyone know of a good cheap switch to buy?
[09:56] <count0nz> Section "Module"
[09:56] <count0nz>         Load    "glcore"
[09:56] <count0nz>         Load    "bitmap"
[09:56] <count0nz> ..
[09:56] <count0nz> #       Load    "dri"
[09:56] <count0nz> #       Load    "glx"
[09:57] <ivoks> lol..
[09:57] <ivoks> no 3D? :)
[09:57] <daniels> count0nz: don't disable glx
[09:58] <TheKark> or dri
[09:58] <count0nz> ohhh lol ok
[09:58] <ivoks> just disable "GLcore"
[09:58] <ivoks> if that's nvidia driver
[09:58] <count0nz> Oh ok :) i got mixed up sorry :) i'll change my connfig too
[09:59] <daniels> leave glx enabled, disable dri and glcore
[09:59] <daniels> (glcore is server-side unaccelerated rendering, dri is the module for specifically using dri on the client side, and glx is needed for generic accelerated direct rendering)
[10:00] <metalsand> 'Morning ivoks, daniels
[10:00] <metalsand> :] 
[10:00] <count0nz> :) kewl thx daniels.... i read the howto wrong
[10:00] <shad0w1e> could anyone help me? quake 3 wont boot, it says can't find libGL.so. my 3d driver is working properly...
[10:00] <ivoks> oh no, metalsand :)
[10:00] <ivoks> bye all
[10:00] <daniels> metalsand: yo
[10:00] <ivoks> :))
[10:00] <metalsand> ivoks, don't be woried, I have no questions
[10:00] <metalsand> :P
[10:00] <count0nz> works fine tho lol
[10:00] <metalsand> I'm not even in Linux right now :x
[10:00] <shad0w1e> well unreal tournament works
[10:01] <metalsand> Anyone know the package name of the file that edits the gnome panels/splash menu?
[10:02] <bdmp> lil' help? The faq that I am using to set up my wireless says "To see if your card is working goto Computer->System Configuration->Networking and see if your wireless network card is listed", but I don't see this path anywhere. Any suggestions?
[10:02] <mandingo> sh: /usr/sbin/pmi: No such file or directory
[10:02] <mandingo> anyone know why I'm getting that when trying to run gdm?
[10:02] <tim7575> anyone able to help a newbie configure my linux box to work on my home wifi network?
[10:02] <metalsand> tim7575: What do you need help with? I may be able to help you out
[10:03] <tim7575> just getting it set up
[10:03] <metalsand> Sure. I'll help in any way possible
[10:03] <bdmp> tim7575 use this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[10:03] <tim7575> metalsand: i have a netgear pci card
[10:03] <bdmp> i need help too
[10:03] <bdmp> i am almost done
[10:04] <bdmp> I have been working on this for like 2 days
[10:04] <tim7575> ok
[10:04] <metalsand> tim7575: PCI card of PCMCIA card?
[10:05] <tim7575> pci
[10:05] <tim7575> im on a laptop atm with pcmcia... the linux box is pci
[10:06] <klaas> hi @ all
[10:06] <metalsand> So, you're able to connect to the network with one machine, but not with the linux box?
[10:06] <RedNeck_> hello, Where can I download KDE for Ubuntu?
[10:07] <metalsand> RedNeck_: sudo apt-get install kubuntu
[10:07] <count0nz> RedNeck_,  type sudo apt-get install kde
[10:07] <metalsand> I believe
[10:07] <bdmp> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:07] <bdmp> is correct
[10:07] <metalsand> I was half right ;)
[10:07] <w1gg3r> if I install kubuntu desktop will it work worth a fruck?
[10:07] <bdmp> yeah
[10:07] <count0nz> whats kubantu-desktop do if you just installed kde ?
[10:07] <bdmp> except wireless
[10:08] <klaas> i've got a question about tuxracer, doen anyone knows tuxracer?
[10:08] <bdmp> what do you mean?
[10:08] <bdmp> it would do nothing
[10:08] <Choubaka> ??
[10:08] <bdmp> or maybe fill in the gaps
[10:08] <Choubaka> kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage which install KDE and some default software.
[10:08] <Choubaka> installs*
[10:09] <Choubaka> ie. if you install the package, you will have kubuntu :)
[10:09] <count0nz> ok kewl works post kde install nice :)
[10:09] <babs> hi
[10:09] <count0nz> :P
[10:09] <tim7575> ok, so how do i get the driver files out of my netgear cd and into $home/windows_drivers/?
[10:09] <w1gg3r> tuxracer worked real sucky until i got my video setup perfectly
[10:10] <bdmp> you can download them from the link on the faq i gave you
[10:10] <babs> yesterday I wanted to install gdesklets on ubuntu
[10:10] <babs> however got a GtkDepreciated something error
[10:10] <babs> I have ubuntu warty.... is
[10:10] <bdmp> or install it on a linux box and go in and find them
[10:10] <bdmp> the first being the easiest
[10:10] <babs> is gdesklets only working on ubuntu hoary???
[10:11] <tim7575> k
[10:11] <bdmp> lil' help? The faq that I am using to set up my wireless says "To see if your card is working goto Computer->System Configuration->Networking and see if your wireless network card is listed", but I don't see this path anywhere. Any suggestions?
[10:11] <RedNeck_> matalsand don't I need to download kde first?
[10:11] <w1gg3r> gdesklets are a memory hog unless you have a bunch
[10:11] <count0nz> RedNeck_, no it will do it for you automagicly
[10:12] <w1gg3r> gdesklets work in debian and probably everyfken other thing that uses gnome
[10:12] <count0nz> now if only i can get xawdecode to work :)
[10:13] <RedNeck_> matalsand E:Couldn't find packaga kubuntu
[10:13] <count0nz> kubuntu-desktop
[10:16] <RedNeck_> countOnz doesn't work
[10:17] <count0nz> sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:17] <count0nz> maby you need uneverse ?
[10:17] <count0nz> ## team.
[10:17] <count0nz>  deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:17] <count0nz>  deb-src http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:18] <w1gg3r> yea, i cant get xaw to work with my win98tv card either event though it recognises it
[10:18] <count0nz> works here
[10:18] <Burgundavia> count0nz, kubuntu-desktop is in main
[10:19] <Burgundavia> RedNeck_, what doesn't work and how?
[10:19] <count0nz> get tvtime
[10:19] <count0nz> works here
[10:19] <RedNeck_> countOnz I installed ubuntu from a CD
[10:19] <Burgundavia> RedNeck_, remove the cd from your sources lists
[10:19] <count0nz> i don't know why its not working for you RedNeck_ :(
[10:20] <babs> hmm... yes gdesklet should work... but in my case not on hoary.... did anybody get to work gdesklet on ubuntu hoary?
[10:20] <count0nz> xawtv aparent hates hoary :)
[10:21] <Burgundavia> babs, some are broken
[10:21] <w1gg3r> sluty hoary
[10:21] <RedNeck_> countOnz E: Couldn't find package kubutu-desktop
[10:21] <count0nz> xdtv looks good but not in the repository
[10:21] <Choubaka> duh
[10:22] <Choubaka> typo :P
[10:22] <Choubaka> RedNeck_: kubuntu-desktop
[10:22] <w1gg3r> ubuntu is the best frken linux out there imo
[10:23] <count0nz> ubantu sucks ... (jk)
[10:23] <Choubaka> Many people think similarly. :)
[10:23] <RedNeck_> countOnz E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[10:23] <Burgundavia> RedNeck_, can you /query me the error?
[10:23] <meng> place hoary repos and universe repos
[10:23] <w1gg3r> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[10:24] <babs> burgundavia, what is broken?
[10:24] <count0nz> ## team.
[10:24] <count0nz>  deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:24] <count0nz>  deb-src http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:24] <count0nz> arrg
[10:24] <count0nz> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:24] <Burgundavia> babs, no idea, trying to fix RedNeck_'s issue
[10:25] <Choubaka> RedNeck_: do you have any network repositories?
[10:25] <babs> burgundavia, thanks anyway
[10:26] <count0nz> only thing is lol i keep typeing emerge to install things :)
[10:27] <Choubaka> hehe
[10:27] <w1gg3r> redneck, have you ever done an apt-get update - dunno since i don't have ubuntu installed at the moment
[10:27] <Choubaka> well, you can do alias emerge='apt-get install'
[10:27] <count0nz> lol
[10:27] <RedNeck_> No
[10:28] <Choubaka> RedNeck_: add the network repositories and do apt-get update
[10:29] <Choubaka> hoary-updates, ubuntu main, restricted, universe and multiverse, and hoary-security
[10:30] <tim7575> slight problem with installing ndis wrapper on the linux box, it wants me to use a apt-get command, now thats a command to downlaod a program isnt it? problem is im trying to use ndis wrapper to get my internet connection to work
[10:30] <tim7575> ...
[10:31] <Choubaka> tim7575: apt can also get stuff from the CD
[10:31] <undre6k> Sup all,  Im looking for a how to on how to make a bittorrent folder daemon
[10:31] <w1gg3r> redneck, you probably need to uncomment the repositories in you /etc/apt/sources.list before apt-get update for the universe
[10:31] <Choubaka> undre6k: a what?
[10:31] <tim7575> ok so if i put the ubuntu disk in the cd drive itll work?
[10:32] <Choubaka> if you have the CD in the sources, yes.
[10:32] <count0nz> whats multiverse that backports ?
[10:32] <Choubaka> it should
[10:32] <Choubaka> count0nz: ?
[10:32] <count0nz> # Back ports for Ubantu
[10:32] <count0nz> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[10:32] <tim7575> k thanks
[10:32] <Burgundavia> count0nz, mulitverse is legally questionable stuff
[10:32] <Burgundavia> or non-free stuff
[10:32] <Choubaka> nah
[10:32] <Choubaka> it's just non-free. like rar etc.
[10:32] <count0nz> ok thanks
[10:33] <undre6k> i saw somewhere that you cant setup a folder that automatically d/ls any torrent that is dropped in it
[10:33] <Choubaka> tim7575: you also need your windows driver. .P
[10:33] <Choubaka> undre6k: hmm.
[10:33] <Burgundavia> undre6k, no, never heard of any os that does that
[10:33] <tim7575> "E: couldnt find package builderessential"
[10:33] <Choubaka> OSs don't do such things :P
[10:33] <Burgundavia> tim7575, build-essential
[10:33] <_23meg> hi, does anyone know what path xfce4 themes are installed in?
[10:33] <Choubaka> tim7575: build-essential
[10:33] <Burgundavia> you coudl write a script for that
[10:33] <Choubaka> Burgundavia: hmm
[10:33] <ekCo> hello, my nvidia drivers wont install
[10:34] <ekCo> im getting 10fps in glxgears
[10:34] <Choubaka> ekCo: how are you trying to install them?
[10:34] <slept> _23meg, dpkg -L packagename
[10:34] <undre6k> Burgundavia yeah I'm wondering if anyone has a template
[10:34] <Burgundavia> ekCo, have you followed wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:34] <ekCo> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:34] <ekCo> yes
[10:34] <Choubaka> you need also restricted-modules
[10:34] <ekCo> aparantly monitor 0 doesnt support nv, but when swapping to nvidia it doesnt display
[10:34] <tim7575> ok kool thanks
[10:35] <Choubaka> ekCo: do you have the nvidia module loaded? :P
[10:35] <_23meg> hmm, themes aren't installed via apt though..
[10:35] <ekCo> no
[10:35] <Choubaka> _23meg: some of them are
[10:35] <ekCo> nvidia logo doesn't display on boot either
[10:35] <Choubaka> ekCo: you need that.
[10:35] <Choubaka> gimme uname -r
[10:35] <Kimppa> Hello again..... I try to play some mp3s but for example amarok tells me /dev/dsp is busy, although I have no other "extra" software running and I've just booted X
[10:36] <Kimppa> how can I find out which software is reserving dsp
[10:36] <Choubaka> Kimppa: change amarok to use esd or artsd
[10:36] <ekCo> 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[10:36] <_23meg> actually, i'm not going to use the themes with xfce
[10:36] <_23meg> i'm using them with gnome, and would like to edit some colors in the xml files
[10:36] <w1gg3r> nvidia driver is tricky, you may need to go to www.nvidia.com to see how to load modules in your modules.conf
[10:36] <Choubaka> nah
[10:37] <Choubaka> .)
[10:37] <Jefis> Is it possible that my ubuntu is owned, i see port's: "4662","37435" are opened
[10:37] <Jefis> how to check, what program opened it :)
[10:37] <RedNeck_> I will be back letme reboot my box
[10:37] <Choubaka> huh?
[10:37] <Choubaka> no
[10:37] <Choubaka> why?
[10:37] <slept> Kimppa, lsof |grep /dev/dsp
[10:37] <Choubaka> ekCo: search for and install an appropriate restricted-modules package.
[10:37] <Kimppa> Choubaka: if I change to some other engine, the song will start playing but I won't actually hear anything. Only gstreamer gives me an error
[10:38] <ekCo> ok, where can i search, it was working fine before..
[10:38] <Choubaka> Kimppa: then your mixer settings are probably wrong
[10:38] <Choubaka> ekCo: apt-cache search restricted-modules
[10:38] <Kimppa> slept: only esd is using it
[10:38] <Kimppa> Choubaka: where can I check those settings?
[10:38] <Choubaka> Kimppa: see if there's some mixer application available
[10:38] <Choubaka> Kimppa: so make amarok use esd.
[10:38] <ekCo> ok now what am i looking for?
[10:39] <Choubaka> something like "restricted linux modules on AMD64"
[10:39] <slept> Kimppa, you can kill it with killall esd or change settings
[10:39] <Choubaka> don't kill it -_--
[10:39] <ekCo> p
[10:39] <ekCo> pm*
[10:40] <Kimppa> Choubaka: only engines available are gstreamer, xine and aRts.. or am I look at the wrong settings?
[10:40] <Choubaka> hmm :|
[10:40] <Choubaka> amarok doesn't know esd?
[10:40] <Kimppa> nope
[10:40] <Kimppa> and xmms is having the same problem as amarok
[10:40] <Kimppa> freezes immediately when I try to play a song
[10:41] <Kimppa> but totem and music player for example can play mp3s well
[10:41] <Kimppa> but ironically, I prefer xmms, and sometimes amarok
[10:41] <Sauron21> hi.....I was wondering how I could find out what grafics card driver my labtop ubuntu is using??
[10:42] <StarMikeSE> Kimppa, sorry for interupting you but can I ask you a question?
[10:42] <Kimppa> StarMikeSE: of course
[10:43] <Sauron21> anyone?
[10:43] <Comamndo> What is the best gui for iptables:Firestarter or Shorewall?
[10:43] <Burgundavia> Sauron21, what model of laptop
[10:43] <Burgundavia> Comamndo, I have used firestarter and it is quite nice
[10:43] <Jefis> 4662/tcp  open  unknown
[10:43] <Jefis> 37435/tcp open  unknown
[10:43] <Jefis>  | what there port's are used for?
[10:44] <Jefis> how to know, what program opened it?
[10:44] <StarMikeSE> Kimppa, I want to install xmms but the source in Linux is out to date, how can I get xmms anyway? I'm compeltey new with Linux
[10:44] <Burgundavia> Jefis, google them
[10:44] <Jefis> ok, but how to kill them?
[10:44] <zanaga> Comamndo: i recommend you just set up shorewall manually, it's dead simple. but webmin has an interface for shorewall too
[10:44] <Burgundavia> StarMikeSE, if you are new to linux, install what is in the repos
[10:44] <Kimppa> get a new sources list, run apt-get update and then apt-get install xmms
[10:44] <Sauron21> Fujitsu siemens E4010 .-.....the card Intel 82852/855......
[10:45] <jeffco> hi everyone. I'm a 1 day old newbie. I'm trying to install my PDA (Palm OS) with my PC. How do i do so? When I plug my pda to the USB port and press the hotsync button on the PDA, nothing happens.
[10:45] <w1gg3r> any filewall progy showing network activity?
[10:45] <Burgundavia> w1gg3r, firestarter will
[10:45] <StarMikeSE> Burgundavia, Well...It stands the link has moved and cannot be downloaded :(
[10:45] <Burgundavia> StarMikeSE, you used synaptic before
[10:45] <klaas> hi
[10:45] <Kimppa> StarMikeSE: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ <- here are instructions on how to edit your sources.list
[10:46] <Burgundavia> jeffco, add the pilot applet to your desktop
[10:46] <klaas> does anyone knows a program where you can check you temps?
[10:46] <klaas> or can you do that by terminal?
[10:46] <Burgundavia> Kimppa, please don't give that to someone new to linux
[10:46] <w1gg3r>  StarMikeSE, uncomment sources
[10:46] <jeffco> Burgundavia, how do i do such?
[10:46] <Kimppa> Burgundavia: actually, I found it pretty useful when I started with linux
[10:46] <Burgundavia> jeffco, right click on panel and choose add to panel
[10:46] <StarMikeSE> Kimppa, Thanks for the information
[10:47] <klaas> wich command do i have to type in the terminal to see my cpu information
[10:47] <Burgundavia> jeffco, then scroll down and choose pilot applet. It is an ugly black and white thing
[10:47] <slept> klaas, cat /proc/cpu
[10:47] <jeffco> Burgundavia, Ok. Done.
[10:47] <jeffco> now what?
[10:47] <Burgundavia> jeffco, no hit that syn button again
[10:47] <Kimppa> so... killing esd is not a good idea? :-/
[10:47] <klaas> thx sletpt
[10:47] <klaas> slept ;)
[10:47] <Burgundavia> Kimppa, yes
[10:48] <Kimppa> so what else can I try to do to get xmms/amarok working?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> Kimppa, change the default backend to esd
[10:48] <Fish-Face> Hey, there. Sometimes Ubuntu decides X should be in 800x600, and refuses to change until I ctrl+alt+bksp
[10:48] <Fish-Face> Is this a known bug?
[10:48] <Kimppa> Burgundavia: Hmm.. how do I do that?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> Fish-Face, search bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:48] <Burgundavia> Kimppa, no idea, I hate xmms
[10:49] <jeffco> Burgundavia, it's not working. Just to let you know, when I hover my mouse over that pilot applet, it says, "Not connected. Restart Daemon to reconnect."
[10:49] <klaas> slept
[10:49] <klaas> cat /proc/cpu
[10:49] <klaas> doesnt work
[10:49] <slept> Kimppa, just kill it it will restart if you need it  , for xmms you can select the output plugin
[10:50] <slept> klaas , its cpuinfo
[10:50] <klaas> thx
[10:50] <Kimppa> ok, got xmms working...
[10:50] <Kimppa> and now I got amarok working! \o/
[10:50] <klaas> and slept, do you know ' thing ' to see my temperatures
[10:50] <Kimppa> thank you a lot!
[10:51] <Kimppa> and I didn't need to kill esd :D
[10:53] <w1gg3r> Kimppa, if at all possible, use alsa (alsaconf) - sound is much better
[10:54] <Bramme> hm, in debian there was an apt-package with some w32-codecs like the wma codec... how's that package called in ubuntu ?
[10:55] <slept> klaas, i think you are looking for lm-sensors
[10:55] <meng> w32codecs
[10:56] <w1gg3r> Bramme, www.ubuntuguide.org to setup video codecs howto's
[10:56] <Fish-Face> OK, the word seems to be WONTFIX
[10:56] <Burgundavia> Fish-Face, for?
[10:56] <Fish-Face> 5917
[10:56] <Bramme> w1gg3r, great site, thx
[10:56] <Fish-Face> This seems to correlate. I had my monitor turned off, at least this morning, I can't recall for the other times
[10:57] <Tomcat_> Bramme: You can also do a search for "haih" on ubuntuforums.org and install the codecs using that script. I highly recommend that.
[10:57] <Fish-Face> But it's highly likely - I often boot without the monitor on.
[10:57] <Bramme> alright: another question: when i set esound as output plugin in xmms, the thing freezes, but with ALSA as output everything is okay
[10:58] <Bramme> what's the problem with esound ?
[10:58] <Fish-Face> it sucks?
[10:58] <w1gg3r> esound is buggy stuff
[10:58] <tim7575> i downlaoded the drivers for my pci wireless card as a .exe file... ndiswrapper wants .inf files??????
[10:59] <ekCo> Choubaka, thankyou!
[10:59] <w1gg3r> no exe files in linux that i know of
[10:59] <tim7575> yeh i thought so
[11:00] <tim7575> so...
[11:00] <w1gg3r> so google your card, and see what to lsmod
[11:01] <tim7575> ok... im a noob though..
[11:02] <w1gg3r> or insmod, what card do you have?
[11:02] <tim7575> netgear wg311T
[11:04] <Bramme> w1gg3r, how do i disable esound then ?
[11:04] <tim7575> .....
[11:06] <tim7575> any help?
[11:07] <w1gg3r> kill it with top or htop
[11:08] <w1gg3r> tim7575, it looks like it might use the madwifi driver for your card
[11:09] <tim7575> oh wait
[11:09] <tim7575> i have the cd from metgear
[11:10] <tim7575> and i found a inf file on that
[11:10] <tim7575> use the winxp drivers?
[11:13] <lesshaste> how do you record audio in ubuntu?
[11:14] <precious> hi there
[11:14] <slept> lesshaste, what kind of stream, cd , line-in ?
[11:14] <mvirkkil> Does anyone know why firefox doesn't have the gnome theme in hoary?
[11:14] <zoo> hello
[11:14] <precious> does ubuntu support some kind of a ports system?
[11:15] <zoo> precious: it uses debian package management
[11:15] <mvirkkil> precious: Like build system?
[11:15] <precious> zoo, tx
[11:15] <precious> mvirkkil yeah
[11:15] <Choubaka> well, apt is nothing like ports
[11:15] <Choubaka> but it does the same thing :)
[11:15] <zoo> precious: ubuntu is neither freebsd nor gentoo
[11:15] <lesshaste> slept, actually from vinyl :)
[11:15] <precious> :)
[11:15] <lesshaste> so plugged into my sound card
[11:15] <mvirkkil> precious: There is a build system that is similar to ports that uses debian source packages to build optimized packages ala gentoo.
[11:16] <Choubaka> I need to install freebsd on my server :/
[11:16] <precious> mvirkkil cool
[11:16] <Choubaka> optimised packages. :P
[11:16] <lesshaste> slept, analog to digital conversion essentially
[11:16] <klaas> hi all, i've got a problem, we've got a us robotics network here, on the router there is a printer plugged, an mfc  9880 , now i want to print something, it gives me a problem, the printer is not in the list, so i went to the brother site and downloaded the drivers for linux ( debian ), that's in a zip file, i opened it and found a map usr
[11:16] <Choubaka> debian's packages are -O2. That's the most you need in 98% of cases. :D
[11:16] <mvirkkil> precious: But using already built binary packages is the most common way, since the packages that matter already exist as optimized versions. (kernel, xine, mplayer)
[11:16] <zoo> How does ubuntu automount external usb/iee1394-drives? only by help of udev or does it need automounter support in kernel?
[11:16] <klaas> i thought i had to paste that in the existing user map ( who is in your OS directtory )
[11:17] <Choubaka> but yes, there's apt-buikd
[11:17] <klaas> i tried, but it gave ma an error : you haven't got the rights,
[11:17] <Burgundavia> zoo, you might want to ask in -devel
[11:17] <precious> mvirkkil but not optimized for _my_ system ;)
[11:17] <klaas> how do i fix that? i need to print
[11:17] <zoo> Burgundavia: thx
[11:18] <Choubaka> precious: optimising them for _your_ system gives no real benefits, really :)
[11:18] <mvirkkil> precious: What kind of odd system do you have. I mean they would be optimized for your computer as long as you have a pc.
[11:18] <Choubaka> except some special packages like mplayer or libc6
[11:18] <Bramme> when i want to umount something and the device is busy (while i'm not using it), what do i have to do ?
[11:18] <mvirkkil> precious: There is absolutely no point in doing further optimization unless you are using an ebedded platform.
[11:18] <Choubaka> of which optimised versions exist :P
[11:18] <__ArAnTxA___> \join #mondoedopolis
[11:19] <precious> Choubaka, mvirkkil: i'm gonna think about that;)
[11:19] <Choubaka> __ArAnTxA___: Go away. :)
[11:19] <precious> i guess you have a point :)
[11:20] <slept> lesshaste, did you look in your applications menu ?
[11:21] <Seveas> Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood(morning|afternoon|evening|night) #ubuntu
[11:21] <tim7575> so why dont the .inf files in the install folder of my netgear driver cd work as drivers in ndiswrapper?
[11:21] <lesshaste> slept, I think audacity is what I need?
[11:22] <slept> does it work ?
[11:22] <Choubaka> tim7575: they don't? what does the manual say?
[11:22] <lesshaste> slept, I don't know yet.  I am trying to work out how to do it
[11:22] <lesshaste> slept, never configued my soundcard at all
[11:22] <tim7575> well i just pulled the .inf file from the winxp folder on the driver cd...
[11:24] <slept> lesshaste, first try to play sounds - to find out of config is ok
[11:24] <sugoruyo> hi
[11:25] <sugoruyo> does anyone know if ubuntu 5.04 can read from ntfs?
[11:25] <slept> yes
[11:25] <w1gg3r> Bramme,  you will need to force unmount
[11:27] <membreya> any breezy users in here?
[11:27] <Choubaka> They're all fixing apt meltdowns.
[11:27] <tim7575> ....
[11:27] <membreya> :P
[11:28] <w1gg3r> tim7575, inf files are for windows, linux uses kernel drivers
[11:28] <membreya> ya..my system melts when I did a dist-upgrade..silly me...
[11:28] <membreya> just wondering if i should bother or just jump back to hoary
[11:28] <Choubaka> w1gg3r: but ndiswrapper uses windows drivers on linux.
[11:28] <lesshaste> slept, I can play sounds.
[11:28] <lesshaste> slept, never tried recording anything
[11:29] <sugoruyo> does anyone know if ubuntu 5.04 can read from ntfs?
[11:29] <Choubaka> yes.
[11:29] <membreya> sugoruyo: indeed
[11:29] <Choubaka> it would be interesting if the rest of driver interfaces were standardised too.
[11:29] <w1gg3r> sugoruyo, no writey though
[11:30] <Choubaka> There's _some_ write support.
[11:30] <Choubaka> but it's basically useless.
[11:30] <slept> lesshaste, you to try , then you'll know if it works
[11:31] <lesshaste> slept, thx.. not very helpful but thx
[11:31] <tim7575> soooo.... whats my solution?
[11:31] <Seveas> willis, ndiswrapper uses .inf files though :)
[11:31] <membreya> breezy is ALMOST making me want windows back :|
[11:31] <Seveas> w1gg3r i meant*
[11:31] <tim7575> thats what im using
[11:31] <Seveas> membreya, breezy is breakage maximus right now, you know that :)
[11:31] <membreya> Seveas: I found that out :P
[11:31] <membreya> my KDE is FUBAR
[11:31] <sugoruyo> i just need read support
[11:32] <Seveas> tim7575, what does ndiswrapper -i say?
[11:32] <sugoruyo> what is breezy? :)
[11:32] <membreya> sugoruyo: the devil in disguise
[11:32] <Seveas> sugoruyo, well, you're setteled then, read support is there :)
[11:32] <tim7575> just gives the list of - options
[11:32] <sugoruyo> lol
[11:32] <Seveas> breezy will be the next version of Ubuntu, it's heavily unstable now
[11:32] <sugoruyo> no really what is it?
[11:32] <slept> lesshaste, you have to find out what your problem is , then people can help you
[11:33] <membreya> extreeeeeeeeeeeemely unstable
[11:33] <Seveas> tim7575, i meant ndiswrapper -i your_inf_file.inf
[11:33] <sugoruyo> oh
[11:33] <membreya> god..they've had a month already to make it stable :P
[11:33] <w1gg3r> Seveas, i wouldn't use windows drivers in linux, that would be like using a v8 engine in your dishwasher
[11:33] <Seveas> membreya, starting tomorrow it will just be more unstable
[11:33] <membreya> say what now? :|
[11:33] <w1gg3r> I would google linux to see what everyone is insmod'ing
[11:33] <Seveas> w1gg3r, sometimes you have no other choice
[11:33] <membreya> w1gg3r: are you saying windows drivers are powerful?
[11:33] <Seveas> there is no broadcom driver for linux...
[11:34] <spacey> buy another card:)
[11:34] <Seveas> hehe
[11:34] <Seveas> gimme money :p
[11:34] <tim7575> "wg311t13.inf is already installed"
[11:34] <sugoruyo> so for ntfs reading i just need to mount the volume?
[11:34] <spacey> spank me
[11:34] <Seveas> tim7575, and ndiswrapper -l?
[11:34] <Seveas> sugoruyo, yes
[11:34] <membreya> Seveas: how you mean its MORE unstable as of tomorrow?
[11:34] <tim7575> "wg311t13.inf invalid driver:"
[11:34] <eurmst> where can i get ntfs support?
[11:34] <Choubaka> membreya: they haven't even _broken_ breezy yet ffs. :P
[11:34] <Seveas> membreya, c++ transition
[11:34] <sugoruyo> any special options for fstab?
[11:35] <tim7575> "wg311t13.inf invalid driver!"
[11:35] <membreya> Choubaka: they have so :P
[11:35] <Choubaka> membreya: remember, they're migrating to GCC 4.0
[11:35] <membreya> well they broke KDE good n proper
[11:35] <Seveas> hmm, tim7575 have you tried using the win2k driver?
[11:35] <membreya> Choubaka: already running 4 :P
[11:35] <Seveas> membreya, but not for c++
[11:35] <Seveas> there's an incompatible abi change
[11:35] <w1gg3r> eurmst, not that I know, but u probably need to insmod ntfs support
[11:35] <Choubaka> They will break it more until 3 months before release.
[11:35] <Seveas> so massive breakage during rebuild
[11:36] <Seveas> eurmst, ntfs is supported by default
[11:36] <Seveas> nothing special needed
[11:36] <membreya> i HAVE to learn...with a dev release of an OS ..if it says "not upgraded" ...it's for a reason ...and i shouldn't do a dist-upgrade it to force it
[11:36] <Choubaka> modprobe ntfs :P
[11:36] <eurmst> how can i actived ut then, because i can't mount my ntfs
[11:36] <Seveas> Choubaka, not needed :)
[11:36] <Choubaka> membreya: :DD
[11:36] <Seveas> mount -t ntfs /dev/yourdrive /mnt/something
[11:36] <Choubaka> I'd run breezy in a chroot :P
[11:36] <membreya> my kubuntu was running beautifully...now I don't even have konqueror :P
[11:37] <membreya> Choubaka: I'm almost tempted to reinstall with hoary
[11:37] <Choubaka> You should do that.
[11:37] <Seveas> membreya, by all means DO that
[11:37] <eurmst> gives an error
[11:37] <Choubaka> I will upgrade to Breezy when it gets released.
[11:37] <eurmst> who can i trust?
[11:37] <eurmst> :P
[11:37] <membreya> Choubaka: ....I suppose.. I have my configs.. I do a daily backup
[11:37] <tim7575> Seveas: nah that doesnt work
[11:37] <Choubaka> And I expect no trouble. :D
[11:37] <Seveas> eurmst, well, you have to replace yourdrive and something with the actual paths...
[11:37] <w1gg3r> trust me ;)
[11:38] <eurmst> root@erik:/home/erik # mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows
[11:39] <sugoruyo> i need to ask a general question about mounting... can anyone help?
[11:39] <w1gg3r> doesn't hurt to ask
[11:39] <Choubaka> sugoruyo: of course. :P
[11:39] <Choubaka> read the topic
[11:39] <Choubaka> :)
[11:39] <sugoruyo> ok here goes
[11:40] <sugoruyo> i want to mount a partition
[11:40] <sugoruyo> so i make a directory to mount it on
[11:40] <slept> yes
[11:40] <sugoruyo> and then use mount /dev/something /mount-point
[11:40] <Seveas> yes
[11:40] <slept> yes
[11:40] <w1gg3r> you can just mount it to /mnt, or mkdir /mnt/something
[11:40] <tim7575> Seveas: any other ideas?
[11:40] <Seveas> as in mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/windows
[11:41] <Seveas> tim7575, only what spacey said: buy another card
[11:41] <Choubaka> -t specifies filesystem type.
[11:41] <Seveas> sorry, I don't know other options...
[11:41] <sugoruyo> what happens if my mount point contains something?
[11:41] <membreya> ok
[11:41] <membreya> time to reinstall
[11:41] <membreya> back in hoary later folks
[11:41] <w1gg3r> tim7575, did you look into insmod madwifi?
[11:41] <Choubaka> sugoruyo: they will disappear under the mounted files :)
[11:41] <Choubaka> but they won't be deleted.
[11:41] <sugoruyo> and when i unmount?
[11:41] <Choubaka> they will reappear
[11:42] <sugoruyo> so if i;m
[11:42] <tim7575> w1gg3r: no?
[11:42] <sugoruyo> so if i'm correct it changes a link of some sort?
[11:42] <membreya> what's the best way to check the integrity of a DVD before I reboot
[11:43] <sugoruyo> it just points the system to the mounted stuff
[11:43] <Choubaka> membreya: md5sum
[11:43] <Choubaka> sugoruyo: something like that.
[11:43] <Choubaka> it's a good way to hide your... dubious files. :D
[11:43] <tim7575> pr0n
[11:44] <Choubaka> just have the files in /stuff, then mount some empty filesystem image on top of it.
[11:44] <membreya> md5sum /dev/hda is fine Choubaka ?
[11:45] <Choubaka> that would be your hard drive, wouldn't it?
[11:45] <membreya> Choubaka: dvd drive :) /dev/sda is my harddrive (SATA)
[11:45] <Choubaka> if it's your dvd, then yes.
[11:46] <Choubaka> you of course need an md5sum to compare it against.
[11:46] <Choubaka> or hmm
[11:46] <Choubaka> how did you download the DVD?
[11:46] <Choubaka> if you got it from BT, it's fine. BT performs checks.
[11:47] <sugoruyo> if i had a directory with some stuff in it and wanted to mount something is there some way to make it so the mounted stuff appears alongside the others (no dup entries or anything)?
[11:47] <membreya> Choubaka: ISO from the ubuntu site
[11:47] <_luke> do you think an ubuntu system would make a good webserver?
[11:47] <Choubaka> yes.
[11:47] <Choubaka> though the base install would be a bit too bloated.
[11:47] <membreya> Choubaka: just the DVD is looking a little..worse for wear and I want to make sure it will be able to read it all ok
[11:48] <Choubaka> hehe :P
[11:48] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: i'm not sure, but i don't think so
[11:48] <sugoruyo> pity
[11:48] <membreya> Choubaka: could I just do a fsck on the DVD? :P
[11:49] <HappyFool> _luke: it should be fine
[11:49] <HappyFool> membreya: can you mount the dvd?
[11:49] <Choubaka> I dno't think so
[11:49] <membreya> HappyFool: indeed
[11:49] <Choubaka> sugoruyo: there's UnionFS, but it's very experimental :/
[11:49] <_luke> Happyfool: running as little as possible and apache?
[11:49] <HappyFool> i think the ubuntu cd's (and dvd's?) have a md5sum.txt in their root
[11:49] <membreya> so there is :P
[11:49] <w1gg3r> I don't think you can fsck anything but an ext type volume
[11:49] <Choubaka> or reiser
[11:50] <sugoruyo> what's that?
[11:50] <membreya> w1gg3r: yup :(
[11:50] <Choubaka> or xfs, and jfs I think :p
[11:50] <HappyFool> membreya: you can do something like md5sum -c md5sum.txt
[11:50] <membreya> Choubaka: but for that you use reiserfsck :P
[11:50] <Choubaka> hmm
[11:50] <membreya> thankyou HappyFool :)
[11:50] <HappyFool> np
[11:51] <Choubaka> you can fsck: cramfs, minix, jfs, ext, msdos, nfs, reiserfs, reiser4, vfat and xfs
[11:51] <HappyFool> otherwise there are md5 checksums for the isos on ubuntu's site
[11:51] <HappyFool> i.e., for the entire image
[11:51] <membreya> damn this is going to take a while :|
[11:51] <capi> okay, in the apache2 Ubuntu package apaches config giles are all funked up. What file is the Document Root in? I couldn't find it in apache2.conf or httpd.conf?
[11:52] <Choubaka> search for DocumentRoot :p
[11:52] <Choubaka> it's /var/www/ anyway
[11:52] <capi> I know, but I want to change it.
[11:52] <Kimppa> Does anyone know some good software to fix id3v1 tags? So that I can select an entire album and set the album name for all the files without having to do it for each file separately?
[11:52] <Choubaka> capi: well, then change it
[11:53] <HappyFool> capi: try maybe 'grep -ilr documentroot *' in the config root dir (/etc/htttpd, i think?)
[11:53] <Choubaka> Kimppa: id3v2 :)
[11:53] <Choubaka> it's a command line tool.
[11:53] <capi> I can't find the value in the config file?
[11:53] <sugoruyo> one more thing: what is kubuntu?
[11:53] <sugoruyo> ubuntu with kde?
[11:53] <capi> yes
[11:53] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: kde version of ubuntu
[11:53] <capi> sugoruyo
[11:54] <membreya> there's ubuntu+kde and then there's kubuntu :)
[11:54] <slept> Kimppa, cantus is nice you an do cddb lookup
[11:54] <sugoruyo> official or some kind of mod? do i get it at the ubuntu site?
[11:54] <Choubaka> official
[11:54] <HappyFool> membreya: really? what's the difference?
[11:54] <Kimppa> nice.. I'll take a look at it
[11:54] <Choubaka> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:54] <Choubaka> :P
[11:54] <membreya> sugoruyo: www.kubuntu.co.uk
[11:54] <Riddell> www.kubuntu.org
[11:55] <Choubaka> kubuntu can be installed from ubuntu too. :)
[11:55] <Choubaka> personally I can't wait for xubuntu
[11:55] <membreya> Choubaka: yeah, but then you get all the ugly gnome stuff left over :P
[11:55] <sugoruyo> xubuntu?
[11:55] <Choubaka> XFCE4 Ubuntu :)
[11:55] <capi> anyone know how to change the DocumentRoot value in Ubuntus apache?
[11:55] <membreya> *shudder*
[11:55] <sugoruyo> i like xfce
[11:55] <Choubaka> capi: search the configs. :P
[11:55] <HappyFool> membreya: hey, who are you calling an ugly gnome? :P
[11:55] <membreya> lol HappyFool :P
[11:56] <sugoruyo> and i prefer gnome to kde although it used to be the other way
[11:56] <Choubaka> XFCE owns both KDE and Gnome :)
[11:56] <membreya> shush Choubaka :P
[11:56] <membreya> KDE 0wns gnome
[11:56] <Choubaka> Probably.
[11:56] <Choubaka> But it loses to XFCE4!
[11:56] <Choubaka> mwahaha
[11:56] <membreya> wait for KDE4 :P
[11:56] <brosio>  exist a repository for win32codecs for x86_64
[11:56] <Choubaka> membreya: I will.
[11:56] <membreya> brosio: no :P
[11:57] <Choubaka> brosio: they're win32codecs :/
[11:57] <precious> enlightment will rule them all ;)
[11:57] <Choubaka> you need 32bit
[11:57] <capi> okay, I think I got it, Ubuntu goes straight to virutal hosts in a seperate file. :)
[11:57] <membreya> ROFL precious :P
[11:57] <Choubaka> I require certain features of GTK2 :P
[11:57] <membreya> how can you like XFCE Choubaka :|
[11:58] <Choubaka> I'll give KDE a shot when it gets those features.
[11:58] <Choubaka> membreya: it's lightweight, simple, beautiful, and GTK2
[11:58] <precious> membreya it's pretty fast:)
[11:58] <membreya> i have an amd64 3200 .. i don't need lightweight :P
[11:58] <Choubaka> Well, that's you. :P
[11:58] <HappyFool> i know this is way off topic, but is there a way to check if my msn passport password is valid? gaim doesn't want to login to msn
[11:59] <membreya> HappyFool: www.hotmail.com ?
[11:59] <capi> Goes to play on his SNES with a Linux-port installed.
[11:59] <HappyFool> membreya: i don't think it worked on hotmail. i'm going to try www.msn.com
[11:59] <HappyFool> thanks though
[12:00] <membreya> main thing that annoys me about amd64..no flash :|
[12:00] <sugoruyo> membreya: what do u mean?
[12:01] <membreya> nor no activex on linux :P
[12:01] <HappyFool> almost every music band's website requires flash. that annoys me.
[12:01] <tim7575> ubuntu is debian right?
[12:01] <Burgundavia> tim7575, based on debian unstable (sid)
[12:01] <HappyFool> debian-based
[12:01] <tim7575> thnks
[12:01] <Seveas> tim7575, say that on #debian and you're dead meat :)
[12:01] <precious> i hope it supports more hardware than debian :)
[12:02] <Seveas> precious, it does (to my experience)
[12:02] <precious> good ;)
[12:02] <precious> i tried to install a debian release two days ago on one of my servers - it couldn't find it's scsi disks nor it's lan cards
[12:02] <precious> mandrake did, however.. freebsd 2 :)
[12:03] <holycow> impossible, it uses the same installer
[12:03] <b_e_n_z> can't join #debian
[12:03] <holycow> scratch that
[12:03] <holycow> lol
[12:03] <b_e_n_z> i am banned
[12:03] <holycow> :)
[12:03] <holycow> mornin all
[12:03] <nubious> anyone wanna give me some guidance with setting up apache?
[12:03] <membreya> nubious: #apache :P
[12:03] <nubious> hah
[12:03] <nubious> ok
[12:03] <membreya> or www.apache.org
[12:03] <HappyFool> nubious: i'm not running it here, but as i recall the default install more-or-less just works
[12:04] <nubious> hah
[12:04] <nubious> more or less
[12:04] <nubious> ok
[12:04] <nubious> there's no apt-get for ubuntu?
[12:04] <nubious> that makes 'er work?
[12:04] <Choubaka> err.
[12:04] <holycow> nubious, what?
[12:04] <count0nz> apt-get install apache2 works here
[12:04] <nubious> I tried some of the synaptic stuff, but it says I can't 'locate' it anywhere
[12:04] <b_e_n_z> nubious, you don't have a clue do you
[12:04] <nubious> nope
[12:04] <nubious> nadda one
[12:04] <HappyFool> nubious: what happens if you browse http://localhost ?
[12:04] <nubious> I tried installing apache2 as well
[12:04] <onno> Wil Ubuntu update Firefox to 1.0.4, I can't install any plugin as long as its firefox 1.0.2
[12:05] <nubious> connection refused
[12:05] <HappyFool> oh, sorry, you haven't instaled it yet
[12:05] <nubious> I removed apache 2
[12:05] <nubious> one sec
[12:05] <nubious> lemme redo it
[12:05] <Choubaka> onno: try to spoof your version?
[12:05] <HappyFool> i think apache2 is your only option... ?
[12:05] <nubious> ok
[12:05] <onno> Choubaka, do what?
[12:06] <onno> how?
[12:06] <nubious> bah
[12:06] <nubious> just doing updates
[12:06] <nubious> it'll have to wait
[12:06] <Choubaka> onno: That's what you will have to find out :p
[12:06] <Choubaka> -_
[12:06] <onno> pfff
[12:06] <Choubaka> I don't know how to spoof the version. extensions exist, but...
[12:07] <nubious> what are you trying to spoof?
[12:07] <Choubaka> firefox versio
[12:07] <Choubaka> n
[12:07] <HappyFool> user-agent
[12:07] <nubious> ahhh
[12:07] <nubious> thats easy if you telnet into the web server
[12:07] <nubious> uhmm
[12:07] <nubious> hmm
[12:07] <nubious> you got a packet sniffer?
[12:07] <HappyFool> heh
[12:08] <nubious> you just gotta format a header in a text editor and then jsut paste it to your telnet connection
[12:08] <nubious> I dont remember the format tho
[12:08] <nubious> you could check the rfc reference documents
[12:08] <HappyFool> well, in about:config there is a 'general.useragent.vendorComment' string with a 1.0.2
[12:08] <nubious> aha
[12:08] <nubious> that might be easier
[12:08] <HappyFool> i'm not sure that changes the user-agent.. let me try
[12:09] <HappyFool> cool, nc has a listen mode!
[12:10] <membreya> well md5 was ok :)
[12:10] <HappyFool> membreya: heh. took a wee while
[12:11] <HappyFool> changing general.useragent.vendorComment makes the user-agent string look like this:
[12:11] <HappyFool> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050512 Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.4)
[12:11] <HappyFool> but that doesn't fool mozilla.org
[12:11] <HappyFool> ah well
[12:11] <Loevborg> anyone have hoary ripping audio cds at high speeds?
[12:13] <mdke> Loevborg, what do you mean by high speeds? it rips ok
[12:13] <topyli> HappyFool: http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/useragentswitcher/
[12:14] <HappyFool> topyli: ok. i've found an FAQ about it, it's busy loading
[12:14] <HappyFool> topyli: maybe this can be a workaround for ppl who complain about not having firefox 1.0.4
[12:14] <topyli> 1.0.4 comes with a switcher?
[12:15] <HappyFool> no
[12:15] <HappyFool> but mozilla.org is blocking access to the extensions site if you're not using 1.0.4
[12:15] <HappyFool> well, 1.0.4 might, but that's not my point ;)
[12:15] <topyli> ah
[12:15] <space_oddity> hello, I've installed kubuntu, how do I install gnome? apt-get install ????
[12:16] <HappyFool> ah-ha. it's general.useragent.override
[12:16] <topyli> space_oddity: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:16] <HappyFool> space_oddity: install gnome-desktop, i think
[12:16] <HappyFool> oops
[12:16] <space_oddity> ok tanks topyli
[12:16] <space_oddity> tanks HappyFool
[12:16] <da_bon_bon> will swsusp2 patch for 2.6.11 kernel patch clean on 2.6.11.9 source ?
[12:16] <Loevborg> mdke, it's ripping at about 5x speed - thought it should be faster.
[12:16] <mdke> Loevborg, what are you using to rip? grip?
[12:17] <Choubaka> whahaa
[12:17] <Loevborg> mdke, audio juicer, but it's a kernel issue I suppose
[12:17] <Choubaka> I managed to fool mozilla.org :D
[12:17] <Choubaka> it's a simple chrome setting. :)
[12:17] <mdke> Loevborg, no its likely that the lower speed will be due to greater controls
[12:17] <da_bon_bon> Choubaka: how ?
[12:17] <HappyFool> Choubaka: do tell
[12:17] <Loevborg> mdke, greater controls? what do you mean?
[12:17] <mdke> Loevborg, the fewer controls you set in the ripper options, the quicker it will be, and the less reliable
[12:18] <Choubaka> I think it's general.useragent.vendorSub
[12:18] <Loevborg> mdke, what speed are you getting?
[12:18] <topyli> HappyFool: looks like i can get to the extension site by using IE :)
[12:18] <mdke> Loevborg, haven't got my ubuntu system on me, but it will depend also on your cd drive
[12:18] <HappyFool> Choubaka: changed too? 1.0.4 ? it's default is 1.0, it looks like
[12:18] <Choubaka> yeah
[12:18] <HappyFool> topyli: heh
[12:18] <Choubaka> I changed only that.
[12:18] <Loevborg> mdke, I doubt it's the drive, frankly.
[12:18] <Choubaka> yep. works now
[12:19] <mdke> Loevborg, i use grip, and there is an option to reduce the number of error corrections during ripping, that makes it go a lot faster if you remove that
[12:19] <HappyFool> topyli: well, i mean specifically clicking Tools -> Extensions -> Get more extensions, which goes to addons.mozilla.org
[12:19] <mdke> Loevborg, its your choice between reliability and speed
[12:19] <Drako60> has anyone gotten wine to work on the amd64 without doing a chroot
[12:20] <Choubaka> no.
[12:20] <Choubaka> it's impossible.
[12:20] <Loevborg> mdke, hm well.. okay.
[12:20] <Drako60> hmm so i need to figure out how to setup chroot
[12:21] <topyli> HappyFool: yes, that works when i change my user agent to IE on win XP
[12:22] <Choubaka> Don't do that.
[12:22] <Choubaka> Just change the version to 1.0.4 :P
[12:22] <HappyFool> Choubaka: cool, thanks! wonder if it's worth putting on the wiki. the firefox 1.0.4 thing was a FAQ yesterday.
[12:22] <topyli> HappyFool: apparently, it's more secure than firefox 1.0.2 :)
[12:22] <HappyFool> heh
[12:22] <Choubaka> If you change to IE, you'll be advertising IE :(
[12:22] <HappyFool> to be honest i think mozilla shouldn't take that nanny approach
[12:23] <topyli> Choubaka: on this site. i'll change it back soon enough
[12:23] <Choubaka> HappyFool: It's to protect the ignorant. :P
[12:23] <HappyFool> they should at most *advise* you to upgrade, but let you through anyway
[12:23] <topyli> yeah
[12:23] <Choubaka> Well, that's true.
[12:24] <Choubaka> but most people who are advised to upgrade, say: "Swcrew it, Why would anyone hack me anyway?"
[12:24] <topyli> some distros have actually patched their 1.0.2 versions, but apparently they (mozilla.org) think everybody's using their packages
[12:24] <HappyFool> Choubaka: and it is their freedom to do so
[12:25] <Choubaka> but they cause grief to other people .P
[12:25] <HappyFool> ;)
[12:25] <Choubaka> those people are the ones sending all the spam and ddossing machines
[12:26] <HappyFool> well, anyway, this is a neat and fairly easy workaround for people demanding 1.0.4 on ubuntu cos they can't see the extensions site
[12:26] <topyli> yes
[12:26] <mindspin> hi
[12:27] <jcinacio> lo
[12:28] <ol4l> What do I do to force options for modprobing my network card (it must have options=4)?
[12:28] <Drako60> is there a howto on setting up chroot on amd64?
[12:28] <mindspin> I'm using kubunte, when I try to copy folders from another machine to my notebook, network is randomly going down
[12:28] <ol4l> I have examined /etc/modprobe.d/ but I didnt understand how it worked..
[12:29] <Loevborg> ol4l, but a file there just like /etc/modprobe.d/loevborg
[12:29] <phanter> hello, anybody who uses sphinx2 (speech recognition) and can tell me how it works (installed id but what now)?
[12:29] <Loevborg> ol4l, mine reads, "options snd-via82xx dxs_support=1 ac97_quirk=1"
[12:31] <ol4l> loevborg: aa, so a file /etc/modprobe.d/3c59x_o4 with the content "options 3c59x options=4" ought to do it?
[12:31] <ol4l> I cant really understand how modprobe finds that file when inserting the module.. it feels automagic ^_^
[12:31] <teknomaniac> hi.i'm new and i have ubuntu for about 2 weeks. i've installed dcgui-qt 0.3.2 by apt-get.. i found tutorial and i configured it but when i click on hub list and reload public hub i have no result . maybe someone have the same problem ? sory for my english
[12:31] <HappyFool> ol4l: take a look at 'man modprobe' and 'man modprobe.conf' for more info
[12:31] <Loevborg> ol4l, yes, if that's an option for 3c56x
[12:32] <Loevborg> ol4l, modprobe just reads /etc/moduprobe.d/* and adds appropriate options
[12:32] <HappyFool> teknomaniac: is this a usb thing? have you tried using lsusb at the terminal ?
[12:33] <HappyFool> oh, sorry, scrap that
[12:33] <teknomaniac> :)
[12:34] <ol4l> happyfool and loevborg: thanks alot, ill try it and come back later!
[12:35] <jcinacio> anyone got anjuta2 to compile? i'm getting a missing folder :/
[12:36] <phanter> jcinacio, yes i did, what is the problem
[12:36] <jcinacio> "svn-backend.h:24:37: subversion-1/svn_client.h: No such file or directory"
[12:37] <teknomaniac> anyone had problems with conect to hublist on dc and could help me ?
[12:38] <jcinacio> i'm not used to building stuff hehe but managed to get gdl & gnome-build from cvs
[12:38] <ocZio> hi, are there kernel-headers 2.6.10-5 amd64 ? I can only find linux-headers 2.6.10-5 amd64, I ask because when I try to compil a driver it needs the kernel and not linux, I think its the same no? but some missunderstood ? :P
[12:40] <refuze2looze> how do i enable debian menu in gnome?
[12:40] <Loevborg> ocZio, headers aren't architecture-specific.
[12:40] <phanter> jcinacio, oke, well... I needed the following packages to get everything to work correctly: autoconf, libtool, automake, g++, dist, cvs
[12:41] <Drako60> ocZio, linux-headers is what you need
[12:42] <ocZio> yea but when I try to compil the Marvell Yunikom driver
[12:42] <ocZio> it says it needs kernel... I am sure its the same :(
[12:43] <ol4l> loevborg: it did not work (i must have done something wrong..)
[12:43] <Drako60> ocZio, when i tried to compile the nvidia drivers it said kernel as well but the linux-headers worked
[12:44] <ocZio> but its stops
[12:44] <ocZio> :(
[12:44] <nico8481> hello
[12:44] <refuze2looze> what's a good ftp server with a GUI interface
[12:45] <holycow> there are none for linux
[12:45] <nico8481> is it normal that I have to shut esd down in order to get sound in unreal tournament ?!
[12:45] <holycow> closest you might get is proftpd with a web based interface
[12:46] <jcinacio> whats "normal"? ;-)
[12:46] <nico8481> heh :)
[12:46] <holycow> refuze2looze, you don't enable debian menu in gnome, thats been taken out of all gnome/debian releases
[12:46] <nico8481> you got a point ;)
[12:47] <jcinacio> have you read ubuntuforums? there's something about it...
[12:47] <holycow> refuze2looze, if you want debian menu in gnome post 2.10 releases you will haveto recompile the app that handles applications and patch it your self
[12:47] <Drako60> hmm i'm trying to setup debootstrap for i386 but the command given on the wiki doesn't work it says no script hoary
[12:47] <ol4l> loveborg: i created the file /etc/modprobe.d/3c59x_04 with exactly this content: options 3c59x options=4 it should work...
[12:47] <nico8481> jcinacio, uh no i haven't... on my way :)
[12:47] <holycow> and then patch all the debian packages to add the relavent menu items
[12:47] <holycow> in otherwords, good luck
[12:47] <refuze2looze> holycow: oh
[12:48] <holycow> refuze2looze, it's been taken out because it was a stupid idea to begin with, someone just finally got around to taking it out
[12:48] <Loevborg> ol4l, what didn't work?
[12:49] <ol4l> the network card still runs at 10mbit.. instead of 100..
[12:50] <BrianB04>  #mepis
[12:51] <ol4l> Loevborg: when i did modprobe 3c59x options=4 manually, it did work.. but when i tried to make it automaticly it didnt
[12:51] <BrianB04> Blah, sorry bout that...meant to join that channel:)
[12:53] <Loevborg> ol4l, modprobe -c | grep 3c59x
[12:53] <anusaya> Are packages in universe straight from the debian tree?
[12:54] <Loevborg> ol4l, also, try: sudo modprobe -nv 3c59x
[12:54] <ol4l> Loevborg: omg! the options is set!
[12:55] <Dalkus> Is there a utility in gnome to display the ammount of free space/used space on a partition? (like in KDE?)
[12:55] <mindspin> du
[12:56] <Loevborg> ol4l, so maybe your testing is bad :)
[12:56] <ol4l> Loevborg: I just figured ^_^
[12:56] <precious> Dalkus gdesklets
[12:56] <Dalkus> Thanks
[12:56] <Loevborg> ol4l, occasionally, options sucha s this only take effect after a reboot (sadly).
[12:57] <ol4l> Loevborg: its working now.. I wonder if it works even after a restart..
[12:58] <raven3x7> hello
[12:58] <Loevborg> ol4l, it should.
[12:58] <raven3x7> I'm about to install hoary but i want to make sure i have everything i need to get online.
[12:59] <BrianB04> Man, I just installed Hoary, could any Linux distro be any easier?
[01:00] <Loevborg> BrianB04, breezy, most likely :)
[01:00] <hans_> is the music player in ubuntu able to play mms streams?
[01:00] <Loevborg> hans_, mplayer can.
[01:00] <cardador> hans_: mplayer
[01:00] <hans_> thx
[01:00] <raven3x7> i'm using an usb adsl modem which needs an extra kernel module to be compiled. i have downloaded linux-source 2.6.10.tgz . do i need any other package to prepare the source for module compiling?
[01:01] <coobra> is the servers upp so newbs can run the ubuntusetup.sh  ???
[01:01] <Dalkus> precious, what part of gdesklets, what must I run?
[01:02] <precious> Dalkus well, gdesklets is actually the daemon, after that you should install some gdesklets applets... i think the url was desklets.gnomedesktop.org
[01:02] <precious> or smthn like that
[01:02] <Dalkus> thanks
[01:02] <precious> np
[01:02] <HappyFool> raven3x7: it's likely that you only need a linux-headers package
[01:03] <HappyFool> raven3x7: e.g., linux-headers-386
[01:03] <BrianB04> Loevborg, If Breezy gets any easier, it may be declared Windows Longhorn;) I was so thrilled, printer just...worked...without any fighting.
[01:03] <HappyFool> raven3x7: i was able to compile my intel winmodem module with that
[01:04] <ol4l> loevborg: It works like a charm! Thanks alot!
[01:04] <hans_> brianb04 whats breezy?
[01:04] <BrianB04> hans_, the next Ubuntu
[01:04] <raven3x7> HappyFool , yes.  those were on the cd for warty so i suppose hoary also has them. i just want to make sure though
[01:04] <hans_> is it worth testing it?
[01:04] <Loevborg> hans_, cf. topic!
[01:05] <BrianB04> hans_, I read somewhere "Do not test it"
[01:05] <hans_> ok
[01:05] <Loevborg> BrianB04, 'fcourse it depends on your hardware too.
[01:06] <BrianB04> Loevborg, My habit is to say pretty neutral OS wise. I tend not to go anything weird.
[01:06] <BrianB04> Now, I have my next challenge...figuring out the best way to start encoding CDs to MP3s
[01:06] <HappyFool> raven3x7: my point is you don't need the complete linux source; additionally, the linux-headers-<whatever> package puts a link in /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/ which linux 2.6 module build scripts should look for
[01:07] <cardador> raven3x7: what type of usb modem is it?
[01:07] <Loevborg> BrianB04, I'm doing just that right now.
[01:07] <BrianB04> Loevborg, What do you use?
[01:07] <Loevborg> BrianB04, you can use sound juicer for that, witht the appropriate gstreamer module.
[01:07] <raven3x7> cardador its sagem fast 800 (using eagle chipset)
[01:08] <Loevborg> BrianB04, there's a howto for that someplace at ubuntuforums.org.
[01:08] <hans_> does anybody know how to install the lexmark allinone printer x74?
[01:08] <holycow> BrianB04, i think you got it, ubuntu just goes to show that with a good underpinning (unix) an extremely usable desktop (polished automagic for the unwashed masses) is extremely doable
[01:08] <holycow> i think the proprietary approach to desktops that ms and apple are pursuing are fine in the short term, but in the long term they always lead to dead ends because they must lock their users in to make money
[01:08] <billbo> BrianB04, I use grip with lame as the backend
[01:09] <billbo> both are in universe
[01:09] <cardador> raven3x7: have you already seen this? http://download.gna.org/eagleusb/eagle-usb-2.1.0/
[01:09] <BrianB04> holycow, Yep, and I think with the advent of user friendly Linux distros like Ubuntu, and Mandriva, and Suse, eventually software companies will have to look Linux's way.
[01:09] <refuze2looze> anybody know a good FTP server with a gui interface? like bulletproof or something
[01:09] <holycow> BrianB04, little by little, however there is a third phenomenon happening
[01:10] <BrianB04> holycow, What's the third phenomenon?
[01:10] <holycow> BrianB04, one of the things that i notice is that business really is about cherry picking, there isn't a lot of money to be made by "doing it right, doing it slowly" so ...
[01:10] <raven3x7> HappyFool i will try that then. the reason i asked was that the documentation of the package is not clear wether i need the full source although i probably dont
[01:10] <holycow> what i see happening is most commercial software not looking at linux as viable ... this is a problem for them because ...
[01:11] <holycow> ... since they arent helping push the platform, they are being replaced by free versions of everything
[01:11] <holycow> for example photoshop , imho, gimp just kicks ps ass all over the place on most features
[01:11] <BrianB04> holycow, That is very true. I mean you can find just about anything out there, including Bail Bond software, which had me worried;)
[01:11] <holycow> i don't see photoshop ever coming to linux because its not needed, gimp does everything it does as well as ps, and does some other things better too
[01:12] <raven3x7> cardador is that a ready to go debian package? i only knew about the official .tgz
[01:12] <holycow> this kinda goes accross the board for all product groups
[01:12] <jdub> holycow: that is not true.
[01:12] <holycow> BrianB04, hehe :)
[01:12] <BrianB04> holycow, Talk about a vertical product, that's a pain to find.
[01:12] <refuze2looze> holycow: the gimp's features may be great, but i think you can't really compare it's UI's to photoshop's
[01:12] <cardador> raven3x7: it is a .deb file, do you can install it with dpkg -i
[01:12] <jdub> holycow: for very simple uses cases, and certainly web work, gimp is competitive
[01:12] <BrianB04> refuze2looze, I hate the new PS GUI...it's...blech
[01:13] <holycow> refuze2looze, jdub, i'm going to stop arguing right here with the following statement:
[01:13] <jdub> holycow: for anything print related, or anything with serious workflow requirements, it's not.
[01:13] <refuze2looze> BrianB04: of which version? CS 8?
[01:13] <BrianB04> refuze2looze, Yea, I'm so old school, I like the old GUI:) I had stopped using PS though, moved to PSP
[01:14] <raven3x7> cardador i will try those then. thanks
[01:14] <holycow> i am a graphic designer, i'm am very proficient in both applications, and one thing is clear about the ps vs. gimp argument: ps users are a cult and completely lacking the ability to learn new apps, there is no way i can argue with a ps user that will ever lead to a meaningfull result
[01:14] <refuze2looze> holycow: i agree gimp is good, and i'm sure a big reason i have problems with it's UI is because i'm a photoshop-user. its UI is very difficult to get used to, it took me a while just to do some simple stuff on it in the beginning
[01:14] <holycow> i'll just leave it at that, i understand you will disagree with me forever :)
[01:15] <BrianB04> You know what's really, really scary? Setting up my printer this morning too less time than setting up the same printer in Mac OS X:)
[01:15] <BrianB04> s/too/took
[01:15] <refuze2looze> i think maybe if gimp worked at creating an easier UI for photoshop users to learn, it could convert a lot of users. i know people who won't switch to linux because of photoshop cs 8
[01:15] <holycow> BrianB04, having the drivers included is kinda nifty *nod*
[01:16] <jerub> refuze2looze: I understand the GIMP is open source...
[01:16] <Dalkus> is it possible to get 'du' to give the total ammount of space in a folder/partition and to *include* the space within subdirectories, but to not display the subdirectories?
[01:16] <jerub> refuze2looze: patches accepted :)
[01:16] <jerub> Dalkus: du -s
[01:16] <Dalkus> so like du -h but only showing the directories in the same folder
[01:16] <Dalkus> nah, I need a list of the directories and the space each takes
[01:16] <refuze2looze> jerub: touche... :)
[01:16] <Dalkus> not juts a total
[01:16] <holycow> refuze2looze, gimp neither wants to replace ps nor compete with it, ps users simply cannot "unlearn" the photoshop way, it's just the way it is
[01:17] <Loevborg> Pretty much every application UI there is is bad anyway. the only one I actively like is opera's.
[01:17] <refuze2looze> holycow: don't you think maybe it should? i mean, photoshop is what, $800? gimp is free. if photoshop users were comfortable with gimp, almost everybody will switch
[01:17] <holycow> no
[01:18] <holycow> if you need ps, buy it, no one gives a damn
[01:18] <BrianB04> Yea, if you need ps, you have the money
[01:18] <refuze2looze> well, it's not for linux
[01:18] <HappyFool> Dalkus: du -s $(find -type d -maxdepth 1)
[01:18] <holycow> well tough titties
[01:18] <refuze2looze> holycow: why don't you think there should be a graphic manipulation program that photoshop users feel comfortable with for linux?
[01:18] <BrianB04> Now, comes the next challenge, getting my heat sensors working on my MB
[01:19] <holycow> because everything in ps is wrong
[01:19] <jerub> Dalkus: du -s *
[01:19] <Loevborg> Dalkus, du -sh *(/)  # assuming you use zsh, which I recommend
[01:19] <holycow> gimp is the right way to do it, but ps users cannot possibly imagine that there is a better way
[01:19] <HappyFool> holycow: you know the difference between advocacy and zealotry, right? ;)
[01:20] <holycow> HappyFool, correct, i'm a zealot :) lol
[01:20] <holycow> it's important not to get into the 'marketing' trap
[01:20] <holycow> that trap is the "belief" and i mean belief as in religion
[01:20] <BrianB04> holycow, Wow, Gimp has matured a lot since I last played with it...
[01:20] <holycow> that the customer is always right, and that linux is somehow out to win "marketshare"
[01:21] <refuze2looze> holycow: i don't know.. i've read a lot of reviews out there complaining about the gimp's UI
[01:21] <holycow> when you buy into that "belief" you put your self in a win/loose situation, meaning that if you loose marketshare your existence is somehow invalidated
[01:21] <Loevborg> refuze2looze, you shouldn't read so much slashdot, that's bad for your brains.
[01:21] <holycow> one must recognize that nothing on linux really exists to gain marketshare, it doesn't exist for the customer, it exists for it's own unique set of reasons
[01:21] <BrianB04> I don't see anything wrong with the GUI, actually. I mean, I haven't used Gimp in years, and I"m picking it right up;)
[01:22] <holycow> and those change from package to package
[01:22] <refuze2looze> loevborg: lol maybe so. but hey, it seems that's what the people want. i think a lot of people are switching from windows to linux nowadays since linux is getting so great. and windows users are comfortable with.. photoshop
[01:22] <holycow> BrianB04, i just finished two commercial projects with it
[01:22] <jeffco> hi all. is Gnome Office (Abiword) automatically installed with Ubuntu 5.04?
[01:22] <Dalkus> Thanks
[01:22] <holycow> refuze2looze, yes, i equate those complaints to the complaints of the the american evangelical movement about the world not being how they like it
[01:22] <HappyFool> jeffco: i don't think so. openoffice is
[01:22] <refuze2looze> jeffco: no, openoffice is. you can install it from synaptic though
[01:23] <Loevborg> refuze2looze, sounds a whole lot like a case of "tyranny of majority."
[01:23] <refuze2looze> jeffco: although i think openoffice is great
[01:23] <jeffco> do you think openoffice's wordprocessor software is as good as abiword?
[01:23] <holycow> depends what you mean by 'good'
[01:23] <Loevborg> jeffco, sure, it's better in many ways.
[01:23] <holycow> they are basically similar and different simultaneously
[01:24] <holycow> you need to evaluate your needs first, then match them up against each apps various 'properties' to find out which one is 'best' for you
[01:24] <jeffco> right.
[01:24] <refuze2looze> holycow: but i understand what you're saying about linux software not existing for the customer
[01:24] <refuze2looze> you're right
[01:25] <jeffco> but I didn't want to waste time comparing them, studying their nuances, if I could avoid it. I thought if one of them was heads and shoulders better and more popular than the other, that's what I'd  with.
[01:25] <holycow> refuze2looze, those that want things catered to their needs are free to pay for that service, mac and ms will  happily sell them any shit they want
[01:25] <pepsi> does abiword work as well with ms word files as openoffice does?
[01:26] <holycow> the problem arises in that business is not in the business of educating the consumer, and the consumer has no clue they are uneducated about virtually every purchasing decision they make
[01:26] <pepsi> openoffice seems to do that pretty well, but i almost always get issues with text being different sizes
[01:26] <holycow> infact, the consumer insists that their ignorance is correct and should be catered to
[01:26] <holycow> which leads to things like windows me and so on
[01:26] <capi> what is the /var folder mainly used for on UNIX systems?
[01:27] <holycow> optimally the consumer and producer would work together to educate them selves simultaneously and make the best dicisions based on the results of that process, but humanity does not really give a rip about that
[01:27] <holycow> so ...
[01:27] <pepsi> holycow, are you a bot?
[01:27] <jeffco> is there a website that compares abiword with openoffice?
[01:27] <holycow> :) linux is basically the outgrowth of people who can creating their own world around them
[01:28] <capi> OpenOffice and AbiWord are different
[01:28] <holycow> the rest of us, like me, are along for the ride
[01:28] <refuze2looze> jeffco: eh i'm sure you can find one on google. why don't you install them both and check them out? that's the best way to see what you like
[01:28] <refuze2looze> jeffco: synaptic makes installing shit easy :)
[01:28] <capi> Like MS Word and MS office are different.
[01:29] <jeffco> refuze2looze, just to confirm: there's no harm in downloading new stuff through synaptic?
[01:29] <jdub> jeffco: not at all
[01:29] <Dalkus> does the command 'mv' first copy the file, then once copied delete the old file?
[01:29] <jdub> jeffco: you can always remove it again :-)
[01:29] <jeffco> i'm a 1-day old Ubuntu/Linux user
[01:29] <refuze2looze> jeffco: no, you can simply remove whatever you don't like later using synaptic again
[01:29] <capi> jeffco, not unless you run out of space. :)
[01:29] <jeffco> okay.
[01:29] <jeffco> now a non-tech question.
[01:29] <HappyFool> Dalkus: it relinks the file (assuming you're moving the file within the same partition)
[01:30] <refuze2looze> i installed so much crap from synaptic just to check it out..
[01:30] <capi> So anyone know what the var folder is used for?
[01:30] <HappyFool> Dalkus: not sure what happens if you mv across partitions, but I guess a copy-delete is the only option in that case
[01:30] <jeffco> to all: do you find your eyes getting worse if you are on the computer for a long time(as in hours)
[01:30] <jdub> capi: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
[01:30] <refuze2looze> jeffco: it's not like windows where all the stuff you install comes with a bunch of spyware that will forever remain on your system ;)
[01:30] <jdub> capi: have a read of that :-)
[01:31] <jdub> jeffco: only if i use a CRT, particularly if it has a slow refresh rate
[01:31] <pepsi> holycow, you're a bot
[01:31] <capi> jdub, thanks
[01:31] <HappyFool> jeffco: i think it's fairly common
[01:32] <jeffco> coz i don't want to get my eyes any worse from being on the computer for an extended amount of time.
[01:32] <HappyFool> jeffco: btw, we found out how to make normal ubuntu firefox access the mozilla extensions page
[01:32] <rod> thats cool
[01:32] <HappyFool> so the need to install 1.0.4 is reduced
[01:33] <fdr> Hello!
[01:33] <rod> heya
[01:33] <pepsi> can i use breezy yet? :)
[01:34] <pepsi> er grumpy
[01:34] <pepsi> er uhm... yeah ;)
[01:34] <holycow> HappyFool, what?
[01:34] <Loevborg> clumsy :)
[01:34] <jeffco> I'm in Synaptic-->Settings-->repositiories. Which sources do i need? I started out with only one line (CD Ubuntu...) but now there's stuff like Ubuntu (Binary) and Ubuntu (Source). Do i need both "Binary" and "source" for the same thing?
[01:34] <holycow> HappyFool, you mean you werent able to access extensions page?
[01:34] <refuze2looze> by the way, to those that were involved in the earlier gimp - photoshop comparrison. i found "gimpshop" which uses the gimp sourcecode only has a UI very similar to photoshop. it's been compiled for OS X, i'm searching the net for a linux compiled version right now
[01:34] <jeffco> HappyFool, how do you access moz's extension page with normal firefox?
[01:34] <HappyFool> yeah
[01:34] <HappyFool> it told me to upgrade to 1.0.4
[01:35] <HappyFool> jeffco: tweak a setting in about:config
[01:35] <refuze2looze> jeffco: you don't need source unless you want the stuff you download to be compiled from source (quite a waste of time)
[01:35] <holycow> HappyFool, what told you to upgrade to 1.0.4?
[01:35] <jeffco> there's also stuff like ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marilat stable
[01:35] <sugoruyo> that's cause of the problems in 1.0.3 with js and apps installing
[01:35] <HappyFool> holycow: mozilla.org
[01:35] <holycow> oh, and so it does now
[01:35] <jeffco> HappyFool, which setting?
[01:35] <fdr> I'd like to ask for some help in bugreporting...  I've made the first report in my life ( https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10426 ) but everything seems idle so far. Is there anything else I should do to complete the bugreport, or simply sit back and wait for good news? Thanks in advance!
[01:36] <holycow> thats because of the latest exploit
[01:36] <HappyFool> jeffco: general.useragent.vendorSub
[01:36] <jeffco> and if i tweak it, do you recommend that i delete 1.04 and stick with the normal firefox 1.02?
[01:36] <HappyFool> jeffco: ag, you've already set it up, so i guess it doesn't matter
[01:37] <HappyFool> jeffco: thought you might be interested
[01:37] <Dalkus> thanks, HappyFool  :)
[01:37] <zoo> I just installed a self-built kernel. Now my eth0 is not setup at boottime any more. ifup eth0 helps. I see that in /etc/network/interfaces is no "auto eth0" line. Do I need that? I thought that the hotplug system brings the eth0 up anyway.
[01:37] <jeffco> HappyFool, yes i am, but i acted too quickly i guess.
[01:37] <raven3x7> jeffco alternativly you could fetch firefox 1.04 from the mozilla foundation which solves those probs
[01:37] <sugoruyo> ubuntu being debian-based can someone suggest a good tutorial/howto/faq to get started with a debian system and all?
[01:38] <sugoruyo> like apt and repositories and all that?
[01:38] <holycow> sugoruyo, google
[01:38] <raven3x7> jeffco sorry bout that didn't read the whole thread
[01:38] <holycow> sugoruyo, the basic idea is to identify a question, then google it to retrieve the information
[01:39] <BoD_SWAT> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11621  --> Help please? (my DVD doesn't work... at all!)
[01:39] <jeffco> to all: in Synaptic-->Settings-->repositories, there's stuff like  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marilat stable and  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marilat unstable and  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marilat testing. i don't remember putting them there. How did these sources get there? And, do I need them?
[01:39] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: there's an apt-howto package you can install
[01:40] <HappyFool> jeffco: you probably edited /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:40] <sugoruyo> HappyFool, how do i do that?
[01:40] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: tells you how apt works. otherwise, browse the wiki: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[01:40] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: do you know how to use synaptic?
[01:41] <jeffco> HappyFool, yes i may have as I was getting mp3 capabilities. can i delete them now?
[01:41] <sugoruyo> HappyFool, i guess, i haven't used ubuntu for long, i just started
[01:41] <refuze2looze> jeffco: just open a console, type "sudo nano /apt/get/sources.list" and edit it by hand
[01:41] <refuze2looze> oops
[01:41] <refuze2looze> i meant
[01:41] <refuze2looze> /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:41] <HappyFool> jeffco: err. dunno. i did
[01:41] <refuze2looze> not /apt/get/
[01:42] <refuze2looze> lol
[01:42] <HappyFool> jeffco: apt-get kept wanting to get stuff from marillat instead of ubuntu
[01:42] <HappyFool> which was annoying
[01:42] <sugoruyo> HappyFool, synaptic won't start
[01:42] <jeffco> oh, is that so, HappyFool?
[01:42] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: read here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[01:42] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: eh? what does it say?
[01:42] <jeffco> is marillat somehow not as good as ubuntu?
[01:42] <hans_> i just installed piguin game through synaptic...but where is the game now?how do i start it?
[01:43] <sugoruyo> it asks for the root password
[01:43] <sugoruyo> i enter the one i set up
[01:43] <forsakerk8k6> hi people, got a problem.. someone can give me a hand with grub?
[01:43] <pepsi> it asks for your password
[01:43] <HappyFool> no, it's asking for your password ;)
[01:43] <sugoruyo> oh damn i forgot all that in ubuntu
[01:43] <sugoruyo> thanks
[01:43] <jeffco> HappyFool, i got 1.04 now, but maybe i should delete it and stick with the normal firefox.
[01:44] <cardador> hans_: applications -> games ?
[01:44] <forsakerk8k6> no one who can help me with grub? :(
[01:44] <HappyFool> jeffco: leave it for a bit. see if it gives you hassles. change slowly ;)
[01:44] <jeffco> HappyFool, can i delete the marillat stuff in synaptic-->"software sources"?
[01:44] <BoD_SWAT> forsakerk8k6, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:44] <sugoruyo> ok synaptic is on
[01:44] <hans_> cardador: its not there
[01:44] <HappyFool> forsakerk8k6: ask your question, maybe someone can help
[01:44] <forsakerk8k6> BoD_SWAT, :D
[01:44] <HappyFool> jeffco: isn't there a 'remove' button ?
[01:45] <sugoruyo> HappyFool, so i make it search for that apt-howto package?
[01:45] <forsakerk8k6> ok.. i was installing winz, and obviously it destroyed grub
[01:45] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: yeah, though you may need to add the main ubuntu repositories first
[01:45] <forsakerk8k6> but i had a floppy with grub on
[01:45] <refuze2looze> hmm.. what's the command for apt-get to install any dependancies of something i tried isntalling with dpkg?
[01:45] <forsakerk8k6> and so i started it
[01:45] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: read the synaptichowto link i posted earlier
[01:45] <jeffco> it has given me hassles, but i think the hassles are not 1.04 specific. the hassles, i think come from putting in extensions, HappyFool.
[01:45] <cardador> hans_: applications -> run application -> pinguin (youll need to write it)
[01:45] <forsakerk8k6> but when i try to boot the kernel, it gives me a kernel panic
[01:45] <jeffco> yes, there's a remove button, HappyFool . do you recommend i remove them?
[01:46] <forsakerk8k6> maybe i'm doing something wrong
[01:46] <BoD_SWAT> forsakerk8k6, search ubuntuforums.org a bit... There should be a guide/howto there
[01:46] <pepsi> does anybody know when i can start using breezy?
[01:46] <HappyFool> jeffco: yeah, you can always add them again
[01:46] <sugoruyo> ok stupid question: i want to dl azureus from sf.net and i have the option of gtk and motif. what are those?
[01:46] <jdub> pepsi: developers are using it already
[01:47] <forsakerk8k6> ok.. i'll try.. but i am quite pessimistic :D
[01:47] <HappyFool> jeffco: you'll need marillat for any software for watching dvd's, playing mp3's, avi's, wmv etc. etc.
[01:47] <BoD_SWAT> refuze2looze, apt-get automatically installs the dependancies
[01:47] <jdub> pepsi: though it's not really amazingly safe for general consumption
[01:47] <jdub> pepsi: probably best to wait for Upstream Version Freeze or Feature Freeze
[01:47] <pepsi> sugoruyo, they're different UI toolkits
[01:47] <pepsi> gtk will look and feel like gtk apps
[01:47] <jeffco> HappyFool, so here's what i have now after deleting some: CD ubuntu, ubuntu, ubuntu updates, ubuntu security updates. Only these 4.
[01:47] <HappyFool> jeffco: sounds pretty standard
[01:48] <sugoruyo> oh so it's not a question of which one i have
[01:48] <BoD_SWAT> refuze2looze, just always use apt-get and you won't ever have problems with deps. (just uninstall the dpkg version and install the apt-get version)
[01:48] <pepsi> maybe.. its asking which to use
[01:48] <pepsi> pick gtk ;)
[01:48] <jeffco> what's the difference between "CD Ubuntu" and just "Ubuntu", HappyFool ?
[01:49] <HappyFool> 'CD ubuntu' refers to the cd you installed from
[01:49] <HappyFool> plain 'Ubuntu' is on the internet
[01:49] <sugoruyo> no it's which one i want to download
[01:49] <jeffco> so if i have only "CD Ubuntu" must i have the CDrom in the drive then?
[01:49] <sugoruyo> 2 versions
[01:49] <sugoruyo> motif or gtk
[01:49] <jdub> jeffco: yes
[01:49] <HappyFool> jeffco: actually, i don't know how that works
[01:49] <sugoruyo> the only differenece is how they look/
[01:50] <sugoruyo> ?
[01:50] <refuze2looze> BoD_SWAT: i know, but the package i installed is not in my sources-list and i dont want to start finding out what sources contain it (i believe none do). but i know apt-get has a way to fix broken dependancies, i've done it before and forgotten
[01:50] <jeffco> jdub, HappyFool: just curious.
[01:50] <jdub> sugoruyo: yes. the gtk one will fit in better.
[01:50] <HappyFool> ah, ok. i wondered why it never asked for the cd ;)
[01:50] <jeffco> so why did it never ask for the cd, if jdub says that it needs the CD, HappyFool ?
[01:51] <refuze2looze> i got it
[01:51] <refuze2looze> apt-get -f install
[01:51] <HappyFool> jeffco: i guess it checks if the cd is there, and if not, downloads from the net
[01:51] <BoD_SWAT> refuze2looze, have you added the universe stuff to the sourceslist?
[01:51] <jdub> BrianB04: you can just install gstreamer0.8-lame and use it with sound juicer...
[01:52] <refuze2looze> BoD_SWAT: yeah, univsere multiverse, etc etc. actually i was installing a modified gimp that was compiled to a debian pacakge
[01:52] <BrianB04> jdbu, When I say fun with commandlines, I mean the commandlines to encode the mp3 using Lame. You set it once in GRip...but I have to remember the proper commandline
[01:52] <jeffco> HappyFool, if that's the case, then why add "ubuntu" as a source? just curious.
[01:52] <HappyFool> jeffco: i have a feeling there's (much) more on the internet site
[01:52] <HappyFool> jeffco: like kde, etc.
[01:53] <BrianB04> Found it
[01:53] <bluszcz> hello
[01:53] <bluszcz> anyone use kubuntuhere?
[01:53] <Riddell> bluszcz: hi
[01:54] <BrianB04> --alt-preset extreme %s %d
[01:54] <BoD_SWAT> refuze2looze, then you have a problem. It's gonna take manual work. So you have to figure out what the depencies are and install them manually
[01:54] <klaas> jdub: I just tried that, but with me it results in a dependency conflict.
[01:54] <sugoruyo> that link about synaptic is not clear enough on adding repositories
[01:54] <refuze2looze> BoD_SWAT: no, i've figured it out already. apt-get -f install automatically installs package dependancies
[01:54] <refuze2looze> welcome to the beauty and power of apt-get
[01:54] <pepsi> jdub, i know that when warty was released, i dont remember waiting at all for hoary, i know there were problems at first, but it wasnt bad
[01:54] <BoD_SWAT> refuze2looze,  hehehehehe.... congrats
[01:55] <refuze2looze> :)
[01:55] <klaas> jdub: gstreamer0.8-lame: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is installed.
[01:55] <raven3x7> HappyFool what intel modem do you use? 536EP? are you on hoary?
[01:55] <refuze2looze> so if you ever try to install something using dpkg and then it has broken dependancies, just run apt-get -f install after it and bam it will isntall everything
[01:55] <HappyFool> raven3x7: yeah
[01:56] <raven3x7> did you use the patch in the wiki page?
[01:56] <HappyFool> i wrote the wiki page ;)
[01:56] <HappyFool> so, yes
[01:56] <HappyFool> not working for you?
[01:57] <sugoruyo> can someone help with setting up repositories in synaptic
[01:57] <BoD_SWAT> My Pioneer DVD/CD writer/reader doesn't work and isn't recognized under Ubuntu. Even the device manager doesn't 'see' it. It's on the same IDE channel as my other CD/DVD reader. H e l p!
[01:57] <bluszcz> I've got problem with automagicaly icons for cd and dvd on my kde desktop
[01:57] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: Settings -> Repositories
[01:58] <raven3x7> HappyFool i have that modem and we wree trying to get that patch to work on the inmodems mailing list. have you fixed the errors it contains?
[01:58] <HappyFool> err
[01:58] <jeffco> accdng to synaptic, aalib1 (ascii art library) is installed, i think automatically. how can i take a look at it? can anyone confirm that this package is part of a HH installation?
[01:58] <HappyFool> no
[01:58] <HappyFool> It Works For Me
[01:58] <raven3x7> so it worked for you?
[01:58] <HappyFool> raven3x7: however, i am interested in improving it
[01:58] <HappyFool> yip
[01:58] <HappyFool> have been on-line for... 36 hours this weekend without failure
[01:58] <HappyFool> transferred ~ 400 MB down
[01:59] <BrianB04> Okay, here's a really dumb question: How do you mount a harddrive so that users can access it?
[01:59] <klaas> Can anybody help me with an alsa problem? For some strange reasons my mixer-settings aren't saved after a reboot.
[01:59] <HappyFool> i meant 36 hours continuously
[01:59] <jeffco> anyone, help?
[01:59] <HappyFool> raven3x7: is the discussion recent? I'll go browse the mail archives
[02:00] <HappyFool> jeffco: right click on the entry in synaptic, and choose properties
[02:00] <krodrig2> klass: your sound is not set to start a boot
[02:00] <jeffco> HappyFool, done.
[02:00] <raven3x7> HappyFool: yeah the driver is great actually.  i had to mannually apply the changes as did a couple of other ppl on the list. you're the first person i know it worked for.
[02:00] <HappyFool> then select the 'Installed Files' tab
[02:00] <raven3x7> HappyFool yes it is
[02:00] <HappyFool> raven3x7: hmm
[02:00] <klaas> krodrig2: so, update-rc.d alsa default ?
[02:00] <jeffco> HappyFool, done.
[02:00] <HappyFool> raven3x7: i'm pretty sure the instructions on that wikipage are what i did
[02:01] <BrianB04> Cause, I'm bringing up my MP3 drive, and I can't write to it;)
[02:01] <jeffco> /usr/share/doc/aalib1 is one file.
[02:01] <HappyFool> raven3x7: i certainly didn't touch the code
[02:01] <klaas> krodrig2: It's there already.
[02:01] <HappyFool> jeffco: well, that's a directory, i think
[02:01] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: i did as u said but the link shows a different dialog than the one i get
[02:01] <jeffco> under the games category in synaptic, it seems many games are for KDE. will these games work for me?
[02:01] <HappyFool> jeffco: aalib is the 'ascii-art' library. it's a sort of debugging / nerd-joke video output thing
[02:01] <stuNNed> krodrig2: hi :)
[02:01] <abec> someone know a program for subtitle for .avi?
[02:02] <raven3x7> someone called emm11linux supplied a fix but i didn't come through correctly since the mailprogram added some newline characters. the base code is actually correct though
[02:02] <abec> .list
[02:03] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: yeah, that page is for warty, i'm afraid. anyway, you can click 'add' to add repostories
[02:03] <dockane> dont know nothing about pdas, need to acces an acer n10. any recommends for sync software ?
[02:03] <HappyFool> raven3x7: i think the original patch applied cleanly except for whitespace issues
[02:03] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: yeah but how do i find repositories?
[02:03] <krodrig2> klass: i am not a pro at this still learning but in gnome i had the same issue and when i checked my services the sound server was not set in etc/init.d to start after setting it all worked fine
[02:04] <jeffco> HappyFool, i think that aalib comes standard with a Ubuntu installation, doesn't it? If so, why? Are most ubuntu users nerds?
[02:04] <klaas> krodrig2: I'll check it out.
[02:04] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: synaptic knows about the ubuntu repositories
[02:04] <Riddell> bluszcz: what's the problem
[02:04] <jdub> jeffco: it's a dependency of something else
[02:04] <HappyFool> jeffco: no, i think you've installed mplayer or something else
[02:04] <hans_> can anyone help me with installing my lexmark allinone x74?
[02:04] <jdub> jeffco: apt-cache rdepends aalib1
[02:05] <HappyFool> jeffco: as to the nerdiness of ubuntu users, i am without comment ;)
[02:05] <jeffco> i installed Xine.
[02:05] <jdub> jeffco: (hint: gimp)
[02:05] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: i tried to add and i have updates and security updates?
[02:05] <jeffco> jdub, that's a hint to what?
[02:05] <klaas> krodrig2: Hmm, I don't have the gnome interface to init-scripts.
[02:05] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: is that all i need?
[02:05] <jeffco> You mean gimp uses aalib?
[02:05] <jdub> jeffco: see the command i just gave you, and the output
[02:06] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: that's enough for updates
[02:06] <jeffco> aalib1
[02:06] <jeffco> Reverse Depends:
[02:06] <jeffco>   xine-ui
[02:06] <jeffco>   libxine1
[02:06] <jeffco>   noatun-plugins
[02:06] <jeffco>   libxine1
[02:06] <jeffco>   gstreamer0.8-aa
[02:06] <jeffco>   aalib1-dev
[02:06] <jeffco>   gimp
[02:06] <sugoruyo> what about new programs?
[02:06] <jeffco> the above is the output, jdub.
[02:06] <klaas> krodrig2: And doens't that mean that you had no sound as well?
[02:06] <jdub> jeffco: i know :-)
[02:07] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: you'll probably want plain ubuntu as well
[02:07] <jeffco> jdub, under the games category in synaptic, it seems many games are for KDE. will these games work for me?
[02:07] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: i.e., the entry in the 'Add' list which says 'hoary hedgehog'
[02:07] <sugoruyo> i only have cd,updates and security updates to add in the list
[02:07] <Riddell> jeffco: yes they will work
[02:07] <jdub> jeffco: sure, it'll be a bigger download, but yes, they'll definitely work
[02:07] <jeffco> Riddell, isn't Gnome and KDE opposites?
[02:08] <BrianB04> Okay, now the test, will it rip and encode properly, let's find out.
[02:08] <bluszcz> Riddell: I've got cd at hdc and dvd at hdd
[02:08] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: when you click add a new box comes up
[02:08] <bluszcz> Riddell: my kde destkop show me automagically only one drive, hdc
[02:08] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: at the top is a button, which, when clicked presents a list
[02:08] <Riddell> jeffco: programmes for one work when runnnig the other
[02:08] <jdub> jeffco: kde and gnome apps will happily run in either environment
[02:08] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: that is what i was referring to
[02:08] <raven3x7> HappyFool http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/archive-fifth/msg02003.html and http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/archive-fifth/msg02026.html
[02:09] <HappyFool> raven3x7: thanks
[02:09] <jeffco> why are kde stuff a bigger download than gnome stuff?
[02:09] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: yeah you're right, i'm in a hurry and mistook that for the cd
[02:09] <sugoruyo> thanks
[02:09] <holycow> jeffco, theres more of it
[02:09] <Riddell> jeffco: probably because you don't have kdelibs already installed
[02:09] <jdub> jeffco: because those apps will also require the kde libraries
[02:09] <raven3x7> HappyFool btw great howto
[02:09] <HappyFool> raven3x7: for the record, at least one other guy (Michael, i think) got it working from my instructions
[02:09] <jdub> jeffco: which are not installed by default
[02:09] <HappyFool> raven3x7: so i'm not an entirely isolated case ;)
[02:09] <HappyFool> thanks :)
[02:10] <jeffco> jdub, i see. but once i install the first KDE package, succeeding ones are smaller downloads, no?
[02:10] <jdub> jeffco: yep
[02:11] <cardador> does anyone have Ubuntu installed on a Acer 1414 laptop?
[02:11] <HappyFool> raven3x7: hm, i guess a patch with bad newlines would be troublesome
[02:11] <defkewl> what's wrong with your laptop?
[02:11] <raven3x7> HappyFool Intel devolopers commented that they are working on a official version which is on beta status right now.
[02:11] <HappyFool> good
[02:12] <raven3x7> HappyFool as i said i thought it was easier to make patches by hand imo
[02:12] <HappyFool> i'll update my drivers and the wiki when that happens
[02:12] <jeffco> where can I get funner games, holycow, Riddell, jdub ?
[02:12] <jeffco> games like 3D-action...
[02:12] <jdub> jeffco: enable universe, and have another look :-)
[02:12] <HappyFool> raven3x7: yeah, but i think getting users to hand-patch a c-file... *eek*
[02:13] <cardador> defkewl: It will arrive tomorrow.
[02:13] <jorisK> Hello everyone. Anyone who knows how to TOGGLE the 'digital / analog sound output' setting in alsamixer? I got a Audigy2 that is not working :(
[02:13] <HappyFool> just using patch is probably fear-inspiring ;)
[02:13] <holycow> jeffco, open up synaptic and check out the games section
[02:13] <holycow> jeffco, other than that, search for retail games that come with a linux version, there are only a few but a few good ones
[02:13] <raven3x7> HappyFool im quit sure it is
[02:14] <holycow> jeffco, alternatively you can look into ... cedega ... it has some support for windows games
[02:14] <Bladlus> Hi. How do you unbind the Print Screen-button in gnome? It's not on keyboard shortcuts, you see.
[02:14] <HappyFool> raven3x7: i guess ideally they driver should be in ubuntu's 'restricted' section -- it is redistributable, i think
[02:15] <jeffco> cedega, Holycow?
[02:15] <holycow> jeffco, google it
[02:16] <jorisK> Hello everyone. Anyone who knows how to TOGGLE the 'digital / analog sound output' setting in alsamixer? I got a Audigy2 that is not working :(
[02:16] <raven3x7> HappyFool do you mind if i post youre howto on the mailing list
[02:16] <raven3x7> ?
[02:16] <HappyFool> not at all
[02:17] <raven3x7> HappyFool i dont remember for sure but i think you're  right
[02:17] <HappyFool> i didn't ask permission for posting .. aaah.. whoever's patch, after all
[02:17] <cardador> jeffco: there is Enemy Territory and Americas Army freely available for Linux
[02:18] <jeffco> cardador, that's on syanpitc?
[02:18] <cardador> jeffco: no
[02:19] <cardador> jeffco: search in Google, there are a lot of mirrors from which you can download them
[02:19] <jeffco> is it safe to get stuff from outside of synaptic?
[02:20] <HappyFool> raven3x7: i see the message you posted is for 2.6.11 -- I wonder if there's any difference between requirements for 2.6.10 and 2.6.11
[02:20] <jm^> May I ask why apt-get enquires me to insert the Ubuntu CD-ROM when installing certain packages?
[02:21] <cardador> jeffco: it depends. in this case, youll be fine installing from outside synaptic..
[02:21] <raven3x7> maybe thats what the slight change emm11linux added is for but i'm not sure as i use it on a 2.6.10 kernel
[02:21] <stuNNed> both great games btw
[02:21] <darkaudit> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6615 was reported in *February* and was fixed upstream a month ago. Still hasn't made it into Hoary. What gives?
[02:21] <BrianB04> Okay, I wanna play Mp3s with Rhythmbox, what exactly do I need to install, apt-wise to get that to work?:)
[02:21] <jorisK> Anyone who can tell me where i can find grub.conf? I want to make asjustments to grub but i can't find the file :(
[02:22] <darkaudit> BrianB04: gstreamer-mad
[02:22] <jdub> darkaudit: only major bug and security fixes go into hoary now that it is released
[02:22] <cardador> jorisK: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:22] <stuNNed> jorisK: menu.lst in /boot/grub
[02:22] <jeffco> can synaptic do everything the terminal can? in terms of getting software?
[02:22] <jdub> jeffco: pretty much, yes
[02:23] <darkaudit> jdub: That is a pretty significant usability bug, since it broke the ability to properly select a destination folder for what you want to accomplish
[02:23] <jdub> darkaudit: it doesn't delete your hard drive or let someone else do it ;)
[02:24] <stuNNed> jdub: i have bug with gamin not properly writing files/folders to desktop when saved there...
[02:24] <raven3x7> HappyFool maybe thats what the slight change emm11linux added is for but i'm not sure as i use it on a 2.6.10 kernel
[02:24] <jeffco> jdub, and if i get something thru terminal, it will show up (and can be deleted via) Synaptic, correct?
[02:24] <jdub> stuNNed: that's a very common one
[02:24] <jdub> jeffco: yes
[02:24] <hans_> how do i mount usb sticks?
[02:24] <HappyFool> raven3x7: the two patches actually look quite different
[02:25] <stuNNed> jdub: that seems major bug
[02:25] <jdub> stuNNed: it doesn't delete your hard drive or let someone else do it ;)
[02:25] <stuNNed> LOL
[02:25] <jdub> hans_: plug it in, it should happen automagically
[02:25] <hans_> thx
[02:25] <BrianB04> Now, I need to find a better MP3 tool that offers more features than RhythmBox....
[02:25] <stuNNed> jdub: if i have circa 2001/2002 laptop still need info on the laptop page?
[02:26] <hans_> and how do i install a usb wireless lan adapter?
[02:26] <jdub> stuNNed: i don't quite grok the question
[02:26] <holycow> BrianB04, what features are you looking for?
[02:26] <jdub> hans_: some of those are a real pain, you need to use separate network software for them
[02:26] <jdub> hans_: but try plugging it in, and see if the network tool lets you configure it
[02:26] <stuNNed> jdub: got an email on the -dev list about laptop support and new entry on wiki, want laptop specs for broad different laptop configurations
[02:26] <BrianB04> holycow, Nice tagging, ability to move files within the program, and have it update automatically.
[02:27] <raven3x7> HappyFool hmm i didn't really compare them. i just had the impression that emm11linux just commented //pm_access(power_dev); uot
[02:27] <jdub> stuNNed: if it's a major brand and has weird problems, maybe, but we're really targeting new ones
[02:27] <stuNNed> jdub: what i'd configured :)
[02:27] <darkaudit> jdub: I still consider not being able to properly select a folder to extract files to, or to place files in other apps, to be a very significant bug, *especially* if I were trying to get someone introduced to Ubuntu. They would all yell at me as to why they tried to extract an archive to ~/Documents, but it went to ~/Documents/Nasty Stuff instead. It's not supposed to work like that
[02:27] <stuNNed> jdub: do newer ones still ship with linuxant crap?
[02:28] <jdub> stuNNed: depends on the laptop - our goal is to fully support it with free software if we can
[02:28] <HappyFool> raven3x7: oh, right
[02:28] <stuNNed> jdub: so that goal is real? very nice :D
[02:29] <jdub> darkaudit: see the last three comments of that bug
[02:29] <stuNNed> jdub: and why networkmanager and not novell's network applet?
[02:29] <jeffco> abisword is not in synaptic.
[02:29] <jdub> stuNNed: for breezy? because it's the best choice
[02:29] <BrianB04> holycow, And the ability to lookup and retag MP3s based on the CDDB would be nice too.
[02:29] <stuNNed> abiword is it, jeffco?
[02:29] <jdub> jeffco: install abiword-gnome
[02:29] <holycow> BrianB04, not sure of a tool that does all that
[02:29] <darkaudit> jdub: if only I were a coder :)
[02:30] <stuNNed> jdub: i tried it out in fedora, not that great...
[02:30] <BrianB04> If there was a good tagger for Linux, I could deal with that, just properly tag them, then move them as need be, and use like XMMS
[02:30] <holycow> there probably is a separate taggin app, i don't know of any integrated apps
[02:31] <jdub> BrianB04: there are a bunch available, have a look in synaptic or apt-cache
[02:31] <jeffco> yes. i didn't know the correct name, stuNNed! sounds like you have it in your PC?
[02:31] <holycow> i've seen like billions of mp3 tagging apps on source forge
[02:31] <holycow> i've never understood why people spend so much time tagging their music
[02:32] <hac> How I can enable the ipv6 traffic with Firestarter?
[02:32] <darkaudit> holycow: so you don't have amaroK or Juk putting one album's worth of stuff in three or four different places
[02:34] <holycow> darkaudit, oh they automatically move stuff around the file system depending on the metadata?
[02:34] <darkaudit> even on an album I ripped myself, I ended up with both Charlie Mingus and Charles Mingus as the artist
[02:34] <holycow> or they just display info groupings based on meatadata?
[02:34] <BrianB04> Juk looks awesome, let's see if I can manage to get it running under Gnome;)
[02:34] <darkaudit> holycow: not in the filesystem, but on it's internal catalog of your collection
[02:35] <holycow> ah
[02:35] <holycow> i'm lame, i use the filesystem to store the metadata :)
[02:35] <holycow> lol
[02:35] <darkaudit> Because there were different artist attributions, A Charlie Brown Christmas got split into 5 different groups...
[02:36] <BrianB04> Well, how's you like that, I got it running beautifully
[02:36] <holycow> BrianB04, yeah a lot of comments have been made about gnome and kde splitting up the destkop environment but ...
[02:36] <darkaudit> but amaroK is better at that... if it sees different artists on one album title, it labels it 'Various Artists' and calls it a compilation :)
[02:36] <cardador> Can we expect an official bootsplash for Ubuntu, like SuSE's one? I dont care for bootsplash on a regular desktop computer, but it is important on a laptop.
[02:36] <holycow> ... no one ever seems to care that you can run both apps in both de's, and bot de's are working together to unify things like menues
[02:37] <BrianB04> I mean, jesus, it even properly does system tray icon
[02:37] <holycow> darkaudit, i've never trusted applications to properly deal with metadata ... maybe i should give it a go and see how well juke handles this stuff
[02:37] <HappyFool> cardador: why's that ? (just curious)
[02:38] <darkaudit> BrianB04: Juk and amaroK work great whever I run it... but fluxbox doesn't handle the tray icon as gracefully as GNOME, KDE, or XFCE
[02:38] <cmatheson> hey guys.. i can't open a terminal in X!  i tried doing it at the console to get the error message and it is get_pty: can't get enough ptys.  is this something to do w/ devfs
[02:38] <cmatheson> ?
[02:38] <BrianB04> WHy haven't I switched to Linux before? Can someone tell me this?
[02:38] <cardador> why its important? because people reboot laptops quite often
[02:38] <Jefis> i can't hear sound anymore, what to do?
[02:38] <darkaudit> BrianB04: you were lost in the wilderness :)
[02:39] <BrianB04> darkaudit, Apparently I was...this is amazing
[02:39] <cmatheson> anyone know why i wouldn't have enough pty's to open a terminal?
[02:39] <holycow> BrianB04, welcome :)
[02:40] <BrianB04> Now, if I could get a Imap server working on this, so I can use Fetchmail to grab all my mail, then a webmail client, or Evolution to read it, I will be uberhappy
[02:40] <jeffco> is there a way i can make a customized terminal command in my panel for one click action? For example, I'd like to make an icon, that if clicked would do killall gnome-panel.
[02:40] <HappyFool> cmatheson: the obvious question is what have you changed? ;)
[02:40] <cardador> HappyFool: i am constantly making presentations on international conferences, and I guess you agree that having a bootsplash on my laptop makes it look more professional than having a bunch of characteres scrolling on the screen
[02:41] <cmatheson> HappyFool: i upgraded to breezy
[02:41] <darkaudit> I liked evolution for a while, but once I got spamassassin working, it took forever to scan my mail. I like kmail's ability to get my mailing list mail in place and concentrate it's spam filtering on the rest... much faster
[02:41] <Seveas> jeffco, rightclick on panel, select add to panel, select 'custom application launcher'
[02:41] <HappyFool> cardador: sounds reasonable. i don't use a laptop much
[02:41] <Seveas> cmatheson, fool
[02:41] <HappyFool> cmatheson: ah
[02:41] <Seveas> no one should use breezy now
[02:42] <Jefis> what to do, sound server crashed, can't here any sound
[02:42] <BrianB04> Well, my first object is to get a IMap server running...I hate courier with an absolute passion
[02:42] <raven3x7> HappyFool what's really funny is the linux verion of the driver actually works better for me than the windows xp one!
[02:42] <darkaudit> there isn't even a Breezy test CD out yet
[02:42] <herzi> i have a machine with warty installed, updates to hoary development in november, how do i get the notification icon for software updates? i already installed the neccessary packages, but there's no periodical checking of updates AFAIS
[02:42] <Seveas> herzi, have you since november upgraded?
[02:42] <Seveas> and do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[02:43] <darkaudit> herzi: haven't been many updates for Hoary since the official release...
[02:43] <jeffco> Seveas, thanks.
[02:43] <herzi> darkaudit: there have been security updates
[02:44] <HappyFool> raven3x7: heh. maybe kernel changes etc. exercise the linux driver more, requiring bug-fixes and improvements from intel
[02:44] <darkaudit> herzi: I know... a few, but not many... at least not to the levi I saw when Hoary was still testing... or what I saw when I ran Sid
[02:44] <BrianB04> darkaudit, All my accounts have spam assassin for the mail, so I never get spam through them, so I'm not worried about spam filtering or virus blocking.
[02:44] <holycow> nc
[02:44] <holycow> scratch that :) typo
[02:45] <darkaudit> BrianB04: Verizon filters, but some Nigerian spam, and 'Microsoft security patch' mail still gets through
[02:45] <herzi> Seveas: no, i don't need OOo
[02:45] <BrianB04> What is the imap port?
[02:46] <herzi> and i don't need fetchmail; and as ubuntu-desktop does want to install all of them, i don't want to install ubuntu-desktop
[02:46] <herzi> i am just missing the auto-refresh part of package lists
[02:46] <jeffco> my panel bar is on the left side, and i can't seem to put it back on the top. how do i do so?
[02:46] <Seveas> herzi, do an apt-get -s install ubuntu-desktop and check what you are still missing
[02:46] <HappyFool> BrianB04: 143, it looks like, or 993 for imaps
[02:46] <Seveas> -s means simulate, so it will not actually install it
[02:46] <HappyFool> BrianB04: you can search /etc/services for common port numbers
[02:47] <drcodedd2> hi all
[02:47] <BrianB04> Okay, that's it...now we test
[02:47] <drcodedd2> any one know emule for console?
[02:47] <jeffco> all, the icons of Firefox, evolution, and help are Humongous!I can't seem to just drag it back to the top.
[02:47] <holycow> jeffco, you need to delete all the icons first
[02:47] <holycow> then drag it by the space thats left over
[02:47] <Seveas> jeffco, rightclick on the panel and select properties. For orientation choose top and click on "OK"
[02:48] <holycow> i know of no other way
[02:48] <Seveas> holycow, nonsense :)
[02:48] <herzi> Seveas: anacron is to only package i can think of which could be related to that thing
[02:48] <BrianB04> Shoot, that didn't work.
[02:48] <holycow> we really need a check box to prevent people from dragging bars around
[02:48] <holycow> Seveas, oh!!
[02:48] <holycow> haha :)
[02:48] <holycow> Seveas, well, i'll be damned :)
[02:48] <Seveas> herzi, waht else isn't installed?
[02:49] <jeffco> Seveas, i can't. there's no "free space" to right-click, unless I'm wrong
[02:49] <Vixus> how could I get linux to open up an (.exe) sfx archive?
[02:49] <Seveas> jeffco, than remove one icon and use that space. You can re-add the icon later
[02:49] <Vixus> (self-extracting zip)
[02:49] <Seveas> Vixus, zip or rar?
[02:49] <ivoks> Vixus cabextract
[02:49] <HappyFool> Vixus: try unzip at the terminal ?
[02:49] <sobersabre> where do i get vcdx tools, transcode etc. ?
[02:49] <Seveas> if it is zip: simply unzip <filename>
[02:50] <herzi> Seveas: /query
[02:50] <jeffco> Seveas, thanks for helping clumsy ol' me!
[02:50] <BrianB04> Now to figure out why it's not reading the passwd file
[02:50] <jeffco> Seveas, why does it go supersized when it's on the left?
[02:50] <tsume> :/
[02:50] <tsume> I guess I've to manually manage zope and its friends
[02:50] <Seveas> jeffco, no idea, never done that :)
[02:50] <BrianB04> Okay, I'm a moron
[02:51] <Seveas> BrianB04, that's always a possibility ;)
[02:51] <tsume> BrianB04: admitting the problem is the first step in correcting the problem.
[02:51] <BrianB04> I'm using my login name to my comcast account, and not my username
[02:51] <BockBilbo> hey there
[02:51] <jeffco> the icons are 10 times bigger! it's crazy Seveas!
[02:51] <BockBilbo> :)
[02:51] <Seveas> i can imagine that jeffco
[02:52] <Seveas> hey BockBilbo
[02:52] <BrianB04> Still not doign it...shoot
[02:52] <darkaudit> sigh... new fluxbox depends on newer libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) that won't be updated :(
[02:52] <herzi> Seveas: http://nopaste.php-q.net/133982
[02:53] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me where to change the apps used for each mimetype?
[02:53] <admx> Morning
[02:53] <jeffco> in evolution-->tools-->pilot settings, nothing happens. It was working fine a few hours ago but not now. what's wrong?
[02:53] <herzi> BockBilbo: right-click on a file of your chioce and select the applications tab
[02:53] <herzi> though i don't know what it's labeled exactly
[02:53] <BockBilbo> herzi
[02:53] <BockBilbo> i know that
[02:53] <bdmp> Can some one give me some help with setting up wireless?  I have tried and failed twice.
[02:54] <Micronaut> hi, i'm running a 160gb SATA drive and an 80gb IBM Deskstar (IDE). I'm having trouble installing grub/lilo onto the mbr of the first sata drive, to boot linux from the 2nd ide drive. i copied the mbr from the ide drive to a file using bootpart and pointed the boot.ini to it but it wont load the filesystem. Does anybody know the correct way to dual boot into linux with this configuration? Thanks
[02:54] <BrianB04> Oh well.
[02:54] <Vixus> thanks
[02:54] <BockBilbo> but by doing that, it will open the file with the app i want just for that time
[02:54] <BockBilbo> i want to change it forever
[02:54] <BockBilbo> so when i doble click on a file it opens the one i want
[02:54] <herzi> that can be set from this tab
[02:55] <jeffco> to all: in evolution-->tools-->pilot settings, nothing happens. It was working fine a few hours ago but not now. what's wrong
[02:55] <Seveas> jeffco, at least try installing anacron it might just do it
[02:55] <jeffco> ?
[02:55] <jeffco> what's anacron?
[02:55] <herzi> jeffco: a cron daemon
[02:55] <BockBilbo> herzi, true...
[02:55] <Vixus> Seveas: I think it's working :)
[02:55] <Seveas> ehm sorry jeffco
[02:55] <BockBilbo> in the properties options
[02:55] <herzi> which e.g. doesn't execute cron jobs when your laptop is on battert
[02:55] <Seveas> that was for herzi
[02:55] <Seveas> :)
[02:56] <jeffco> Seveas, it _is_ installed already.
[02:56] <Seveas> jeffco, yes it wasn't meant for you, i mixed up some names
[02:56] <BockBilbo> thanks for all
[02:56] <BockBilbo> bye
[02:56] <Vixus> Hmm... anyone here heard of Sphere? For making games...?
[02:56] <Taliesin`> jup
[02:56] <admx> Okay I have used smeg to add menu items, now what can I use to remove menu items?
[02:56] <sobersabre> which repos do i need in apt/sources.list to be able to install transcode, vcdx* and similar ?
[02:57] <Seveas> admx, smeg too (only for the things you added)
[02:57] <HappyFool> what an awful name for an app
[02:57] <jeffco> Seveas, it _is_ installed already.
[02:57] <Seveas> sobersabre, at least universe and multiverse
[02:57] <sobersabre> Seveas, i think i already have one...
[02:57] <admx> I don't see the option to remove items with smeg
[02:58] <jamesio> morning...
[02:58] <jeffco> To all, in evolution-->tools-->pilot settings, nothing happens. It was working fine a few hours ago but not now. what's wrong?
[02:58] <Seveas> admx, then ask Am|OutOfTown when he is back and his name is Amaranth again
[02:58] <admx> thz
[02:58] <Seveas> jeffco, repeating a question that fast doesn't really help. If no one knows ask again a few hours later when there are other people, or ask on the mailinglist
[02:59] <govo> who can speak Chinese please?
[02:59] <jeffco> Seveas, okay. sorry.
[02:59] <Micronaut> cheers for the assistance, bye
[02:59] <Vixus> how come i cannot type into text boxes when running a program under wine?
[02:59] <Vixus> :s
[03:00] <jamesio> anyone have an issue where sound works when booting into ubuntu (the opening chimes), but not in any program?  I've searched, but can't find anything.
[03:00] <Vixus> i can paste things, but cannot type
[03:00] <Seveas> sobersabre, if vcdx and trancode are neither in multiverse nor in universe, maybe you can find in on apt-get.org
[03:00] <Seveas> jamesio, probably these programs are not configured to use esd
[03:01] <jamesio> vlc, for instance, wants alsa.
[03:01] <Seveas> Vixus, try #winehq, there are the experts
[03:03] <toran> hey guys, is there a way to /completely/ reconfigure your network?
[03:03] <Seveas> toran, manually edit /etc/network/interfaces
[03:03] <toran> I have been ><
[03:03] <toran> everything is right, but I'm having problems
[03:03] <jamesio> Seveas, ok, got beep media player to work...  changed it's output
[03:03] <raven3x7> sobersabre dvd:rip is in universe so transcode should be probably there somewhere. haven't checked though
[03:04] <toran> all of the settings in the configuration files seem to be correct, but it still isn't working. I need to remove the device and start over with it
[03:04] <Seveas> toran, wired or wireless?
[03:04] <toran> wireless
[03:04] <toran> I had it working at one point
[03:04] <toran> but then it stopped working (like, I try "iwconfig eth0 key <key>"
[03:04] <toran> and it won't set the key
[03:04] <toran> it acts like it does (no errors)
[03:04] <toran> but then an "iwconfig" shows no key set, no encryption mode set
[03:05] <jamesio> Seveas, which engine should I install to get Amarok to play?
[03:05] <toran> and, I try pinging anything (besides default gateway) and it comes back /right away/ with a "host not found"
[03:05] <Seveas> jamesio, sorry, no idea, never used amarok
[03:05] <toran> which i thought was strange, as it usually takes about thirty seconds before it comes back not being able to find the host
[03:05] <Seveas> toran, what kind of encryption do you use?
[03:05] <Seveas> WEP?
[03:06] <jamesio> just found the problem...
[03:06] <jamesio> or at least some information
[03:06] <toran> WEP, I think
[03:06] <toran> brb
[03:07] <zxc> is there anyway to make a launcher open up the terminal and do set commands?
[03:07] <sobersabre> raven3x7,
[03:07] <sobersabre> dvdrip:
[03:07] <sobersabre>  Depends: transcode (>=2:0.6.14) but it is not installable
[03:07] <sobersabre> :)
[03:07] <sobersabre> so ... where is transcode in ubuntu ?
[03:07] <orfeu> congratulations pentru ... Ubuntu Linux it's very coool !
[03:07] <orfeu> congratulations for ... Ubuntu Linux it's very coool !
[03:08] <toran> Seveas, well, it was working at one point
[03:08] <toran> then I rebooted and it was broken
[03:08] <toran> which is why I think starting over with configuring it would help
[03:09] <Seveas> toran, did you use the GUI to configure it or did you edit the interfaces file yourself?
[03:09] <Seveas> argh, by xchat is fubar, brb
[03:10] <jamesio> anyone know of a graphical directory compare/copy tool?
[03:12] <Seveas> hi, can somebody please send me a private message to see whether i fixed my prob. TIA :)
[03:12] <Lemonzest> anyone know if firefox 1.04 is in hory?
[03:12] <sobersabre> no it is not
[03:12] <drcodedd2> hi all
[03:13] <Seveas> Lemonzest, they just call it 1.0.2, but the 1.0.3 security fixes are applied and the 1.0.4 ones will be applied too shortly
[03:13] <drcodedd2> is there small emule for console mode?
[03:13] <drcodedd2> not mldonkey
[03:14] <raven3x7> sobersabre uhm i hadn't checked as i said i only saw that dvd:rip existed.
[03:16] <raven3x7> sobersabre i found this although  i dunno what its dependencies are
[03:16] <raven3x7> http://mirror.isp.net.au/ftp/pub/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/t/transcode/
[03:16] <Seveas> so it's in multiverse :)
[03:17] <Seveas> sobersabre, multiverse isn't enabled by default, so please check whether you have enabled it
[03:17] <Lemonzest> any idea where i can find boot splash?
[03:18] <cardador> Lemonzest: http://wiki.nanofreesoft.org/index.php/Splashy
[03:18] <Hoxzer> I feel good when im asking perverted questions from girls >:)
[03:18] <Seveas> Hoxzer, watch your language in this channel...
[03:19] <Hoxzer> I see no bad language in my text
[03:19] <mr_roboto> zxc: set up a launcher for "xterm -e <command> <args>"   is that what you mean?
[03:21] <sobersabre> Seveas, it seems enabled... moment//.
[03:23] <Seveas> sobersabre, if you are in doubt, paste your sources.list on ubuntu.pastebin.com
[03:23] <forsaker8k6> remember guys: never let a Microsoft software touch your partition table: NEVER
[03:23] <Seveas> lol forsaker8k6
[03:23] <Seveas> it got fubar?
[03:23] <krg> Heh.
[03:23] <mikl> where does gnome store its gtkrc?
[03:23] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[03:23] <forsaker8k6> it only messed it COMPLETELY up
[03:23] <Omicron> Ha.
[03:24] <Seveas> mikl ~/.gtkrc ~/.gconf etc...
[03:24] <forsaker8k6> i had to reconfigure grub, fstab... all
[03:24] <krg> Why, when you add a Gnome package with synaptic, does it not show up in the Gnome menus?
[03:25] <Seveas> krg, because the package has to define a .desktop file for it to show up
[03:25] <krg> Heh.
[03:25] <Seveas> if the package doesn't it won't show up
[03:25] <orfeu> what is the name for ... torrent client ? azzuor? or ?
[03:25] <Seveas> azureus
[03:25] <krg> Shouldn't you not be putting packages in that don't have that?  :P
[03:25] <Seveas> but you need java installed for that
[03:25] <orfeu> thanks
[03:26] <Seveas> krg, another action is taken: for breezy, all GUI apps get a default icon and entry in the menu
[03:26] <darkaudit> and it's not in ubuntu repos... not that it *needs* to be :)
[03:26] <krg> Heh.
[03:27] <darkaudit> azureus updates itself... which would proably break things if it were packaged...
[03:27] <hybrid_goth> how do i tell wget to put the file in a specific folder?
[03:27] <Seveas> darkaudit, indeed :
[03:27] <hybrid_goth> darkaudit: they prolly dont include it also because of java
[03:28] <Seveas> hybrid_goth, wget -P (read the manpage :))
[03:28] <darkaudit> hybrid_goth: it's in Sarge & Sid repos for Debian proper, though..
[03:29] <krg> Probably under non-free?
[03:29] <Seveas> azureaus is free iirc
[03:29] <_ToNhO_> Ubuntu use Debian Sarge?
[03:29] <Seveas> so it would be in contrib
[03:29] <Seveas> _ToNhO_, no, sid
[03:29] <krg> Java isn't.  :P
[03:30] <forsaker8k6> krg, blackdown jre is
[03:30] <Seveas> krg, indeed, that's why azureus would be in contrib :)
[03:30] <darkaudit> looks like it's in main, but dependencies aren't
[03:30] <krg> 1) Ubuntu should be based off Slink!
[03:30] <hybrid_goth> darkaudit: wierd
[03:30] <Seveas> krg, rofl!
[03:30] <krg> 2) What version does blackdown do?
[03:30] <Omicron> 3)Ubuntu base on HP
[03:31] <krg> HPsUX?
[03:31] <hybrid_goth> HP?
[03:31] <hybrid_goth> o_0
[03:31] <Omicron> 4)Gentoo base on IBM
[03:31] <hybrid_goth> Ubuntu should be shipped by Dell or Gateway
[03:31] <mr_roboto> seveas: what don't you like about hpux?
[03:31] <hybrid_goth> pre-installed
[03:31] <_ToNhO_> :|?
[03:31] <krg> Oh.
[03:31] <krg> That's what you mean by HP.
[03:32] <Seveas> mr_roboto, that it's not free :)
[03:32] <krg> I don't think I like Evolution as much as Thunderbird for mail.
[03:32] <mr_roboto> lol
[03:32] <holycow> hybrid_goth, appearently hp is shipping ubuntu on laptops sold outside the u.s.
[03:32] <hybrid_goth> krg: same here
[03:32] <hybrid_goth> holycow: AWESOME
[03:32] <holycow> we are going to haveto start an import business i think
[03:32] <krg> I wonder when Sunbird will be useable for Calendar.
[03:32] <hybrid_goth> holycow: heh
[03:32] <darkaudit> Ubuntu should do a stable-unstable set... for those who want the stable base of a release version, but don't want to rely on backports to get updated versions of packages that aren't on the same release schedule...
[03:33] <Seveas> darkaudit, will you pay for the extra manpower?
[03:33] <hybrid_goth> krg: it prolly works know since it is based on ical standards
[03:33] <Seveas> and it's so not needed with a 6-month release schedule...
[03:33] <hybrid_goth> lol
[03:34] <hybrid_goth> heh debian has a 6 year releases schedule
[03:34] <_ToNhO_> hahahahaha
[03:34] <Tomcat_> Haha. :)
[03:34] <rod> anyone knows a good backport of a recent cvs rhythmbox snapshot?
[03:34] <Tomcat_> Indeed.
[03:34] <sobersabre> Seveas, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/284650
[03:34] <Tomcat_> But for a server I could care less for new software.
[03:34] <kuya--> help, why i cannt join to a web forum? it's said [site] could not be foundfound
[03:34] <krg> For a server, I don't use Linux.  :P
[03:34] <Vixus> I want to run a windows app that uses DirectDraw through wine. Can I? Cause it returns errors.
[03:34] <hybrid_goth> Tomcat_: it is sad 2001 woody was released and sarge just got frozen
[03:34] <mr_roboto> krg: bsd?
[03:34] <Seveas> kuya--, you typed the url wrong...
[03:35] <Seveas> sobersabre, that won't work
[03:35] <Seveas> i'll paste you a good sources.list
[03:35] <krg> Yeah.
[03:35] <krg> FreeBSD.
[03:35] <sobersabre> hybrid_goth, an ancient Aesop's fable says "quality, not quantity"
[03:35] <Omicron> so sarge=stable?
[03:35] <darkaudit> ubuntu's fluxbox was 2 releases ago... maintainer got behind and didn't get 0.9.12 out before Hoary released, even though upstream released in Jan.
[03:35] <sobersabre> Omicron, Debian=stable ;)
[03:35] <Tomcat_> hybrid_goth: I'm happy with sarge on my server though.
[03:35] <hybrid_goth> krg: whats is so great about bsd
[03:35] <Omicron> mmm
[03:35] <Omicron> very stable
[03:35] <hybrid_goth> Omicron: not yet
[03:36] <ivoks> krg so, how does it feal when ur OS doesn't support lot of new features? :)
[03:36] <krg> Organization.
[03:36] <Tomcat_> hybrid_goth: I don't need relases for a server... but Debian on the desktop is unbearable.
[03:36] <ivoks> feel
[03:36] <Seveas> sobersabre, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[03:36] <krg> It's a server.
[03:36] <hybrid_goth> sobersabre: Ubuntites do it better
[03:36] <krg> It doesn't need to support a lot of new features.
[03:36] <Omicron> and very slack
[03:36] <krg> It needs to serve files.
[03:36] <darkaudit> but that's all nitpicking... overall I'm *very* happy with Hoary as it is
[03:36] <IFRFLYR> Morning, folks. I'm installing Firefox1.0.4; where does ubuntu want the program to live?
[03:36] <mr_roboto> ivoks: sfor servers, stability and security is all you need :)
[03:36] <sobersabre> hybrid_goth, ubuntu has just born
[03:36] <kuya--> no, the type is ok, cos i can find to the first page, but cannt be found after i type id and password
[03:36] <ivoks> krg OK, how does it feel when your server know nothing about application layer filtering?
[03:36] <sobersabre> and debian was and is... :)
[03:36] <hybrid_goth> what gnome does stable have? .01
[03:36] <Tomcat_> IFRFLYR: Why are you installing it? The Ubuntu Firefox 1.0.2 is secure and doesn't lack any features.
[03:36] <sobersabre> i am very happy with ubuntu
[03:36] <Vixus> Isn't there some way of getting DirectX apps to run through wine?
[03:36] <Omicron> HP too
[03:37] <_ToNhO_> Ubuntu owns
[03:37] <Seveas> sobersabre, use that as sources.list, it's more complete :)
[03:37] <ivoks> or lot of other stuff, that -RELEASE doesn't have :)
[03:37] <hybrid_goth> sobersabre: yes but we still do it better. look at our channel we have regulations
[03:37] <Tomcat_> IFRFLYR: There's also a beta package of Firefox 1.0.4, which is better than manually installing it. Staying on 1.0.2 is the best though.
[03:37] <darkaudit> Tomcat_: some firefox extensions won't install unless you have 1.04
[03:37] <IFRFLYR> Okay, Tomcat, I wanted to know just that. I had thought that 1.0.2 had security issues and the latest FF is 1.0.4 - you say they're equivelent?
[03:37] <ivoks> and, belive me, -CURRENT isn't stable :)
[03:37] <krg> I'd prefer ignorance of application layer filtering over ignorance of proper release engineering procedures.
[03:37] <krg> The Linux kernel development looks like amateur hour.
[03:37] <ivoks> krg I agree, linux kernel needs some working to do
[03:38] <Bazzi> `some'
[03:38] <ivoks> but, it supports stuff real people realy need
[03:38] <Seveas> krg, that's why i'm waiting for Ubuntu+Hurd :)
[03:38] <hybrid_goth> lol
[03:38] <krg> So you've got the kernel, and you've got the distribution.
[03:38] <krg> The distribution maintainers invariably do nasty things to the kernel.
[03:38] <Tomcat_> darkaudit: Yeah I heard that too... but the guy telling that was wrong, it was only the website addons.mozilla.org that checks for 1.0.4... :-)
[03:38] <krg> So you never know what you're running.
[03:38] <IFRFLYR> Tomcat_ , thanks for the ff info I wanted to know just that. I had thought that 1.0.2 had security issues and the latest FF is 1.0.4 - you say they're equivalent?
[03:38] <hybrid_goth> ubuntu hurd ubuntu bsd ubuntu windows
[03:38] <Tomcat_> IFRFLYR: The Ubuntu Firefox 1.0.2 has been updated, and has no known security issues I think.
[03:38] <_ToNhO_> Hurd Rox a lot
[03:38] <lifeless> krg: the kernel guys /expect/ the distro teams to stabilise and backport the kernel.
[03:38] <hybrid_goth> ubuntu windows turns off as soon as it turns on
[03:39] <Vixus> what is a .diff file?
[03:39] <krg> Yeah.
[03:39] <krg> Well.
[03:39] <IFRFLYR> Thanks much. Are we (ubuntu) always behind in version numbers?
[03:39] <Seveas> Vixus, differences between files
[03:39] <Tomcat_> Vixus: A file that shows the difference between two files.
[03:39] <mr_roboto> hybrid_goth: my apt-get on windows isn't working... can you help me?  ;)
[03:39] <Seveas> also used as patch :)
[03:39] <Omicron> Good job.
[03:39] <Tomcat_> IFRFLYR: Yep. ;)
[03:39] <lifeless> krg: there were discussions with Andrew Morton about this at LCA.
[03:39] <ivoks> krg distributors make stable kernel, kernel team only provides goodies
[03:39] <Vixus> :|
[03:39] <IFRFLYR> Cool-o Tomcat_
[03:39] <IFRFLYR> Thanks
[03:39] <krg> 2.6.8-pre3-ac4-ubuntu20050515 is a bit ridiculous.
[03:39] <krg> Because when you say that.
[03:39] <hybrid_goth> IFRFLYR: it is the year and month 5.04 5.10 2005 apr oct
[03:39] <Tomcat_> IFRFLYR: I can't guarantee that the Ubuntu Firefox is the same as the 1.0.4 security-wise, but I certainly think so... it has been updated twice last week.
[03:39] <hybrid_goth> mr_roboto: heh
[03:39] <krg> I have no earthly way of knowing what you've backported from 2.7.
[03:39] <Vixus> i got a DX9 patch for wine (http://directxwine.sf.net) and it contains only a .diff file.
[03:39] <krg> Or fixed from the OFFICIAL 2.6.8.
[03:40] <ivoks> krg that's because you don't know naming scheme
[03:40] <lifeless> krg: absolutely you do, theres the changelog, and the patches.
[03:40] <hybrid_goth> Tomcat_: doesnt ubuntu edit Fx
[03:40] <Seveas> Vixus, that means you must download the source for wine, apply the patch and manually compile it :)
[03:40] <Tomcat_> Vixus: You need to download the wine source code, patch in the diff file, then compile it. Not so easy. :o
[03:40] <krg> So I have to read five things.
[03:40] <Vixus> urgh
[03:40] <Tomcat_> hybrid_goth: Sure, they do... that's why I stopped IFRFLYR from updating to 1.0.4... it's usually not necessary.
[03:40] <lifeless> krg: you can run vanilla upstream kernel if you want. it'll suck, but you can do it.
[03:41] <krg> Yeah.
[03:41] <krg> It shouldn't have to suck.
[03:41] <ivoks> krg no, it's Alan Coxs 4th patch for 2.6.8, prerelease 3
[03:41] <Vixus> damn, all I wanted to do was play LieroX
[03:41] <Vixus> :D
[03:41] <krg> Also.
[03:41] <Omicron> D:
[03:41] <hybrid_goth> Tomcat_: yea i hate the icon they give it but its a nice trade of for the early patches
[03:41] <ivoks> krg ubuntu2005... is just revision of that image
[03:41] <mr_roboto> Vixus: maybe you should have deleted that windows partition!
[03:41] <mr_roboto> Vixus: i mean "shouldn't have"
[03:41] <krg> I enjoy FreeBSD's system of "everything not in the base system goes in /usr/local/"
[03:41] <krg> Heh.
[03:41] <ivoks> just beacuse you don't know something, it doesn't mean it's stoopid
[03:42] <krg> It means it's not easily discernible.
[03:42] <IFRFLYR> Is there something I need to do to get kismet working other than apt-get install kismet?
[03:42] <ivoks> hahaha
[03:42] <Vixus> mr_roboto: I didnt ;)
[03:42] <IFRFLYR> Because that sure doesn't work
[03:42] <krg> I'm not sure how you think you're going to STORM THE DESKTOP with this sort of disorganization.
[03:42] <Seveas> IFRFLYR, you need to confgure it...
[03:42] <Tomcat_> hybrid_goth: Yeah the icon is not the best. But who cares, we only need to use it. :)
[03:42] <hybrid_goth> yup
[03:42] <ivoks> krg noone will storm the desktop
[03:42] <IFRFLYR> Ah. Can you point me to the conf file?
[03:42] <mr_roboto> Vixus: If you're a serious gamer, it's still best to dual-boot ;)
[03:43] <Seveas> IFRFLYR, dpkg -L kismet :)
[03:43] <IFRFLYR> Thanks!
[03:43] <ivoks> krg the feautre is heterogenus
[03:43] <hybrid_goth> krg: google said fsck the filing juss search for the internet and now are doin it for the desktop
[03:43] <PhantomFreak> Is there any way of installing anti-virus software in Ubuntu
[03:43] <ivoks> krg freebsd will never be on desktop if it contiunes development like it'd doing now
[03:43] <krg> Yeah.
[03:43] <krg> Fortunately I still have my PowerBook.  :P
[03:43] <ivoks> krg neither would linux be on desktop if development stayed as was in 2.2 series
[03:43] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: idk linux may storm in come longhorn aka Service Pack 3
[03:45] <Choubaka> I wonder when 2.7 will be.
[03:45] <hybrid_goth> Vixus: have you tried cadega
[03:45] <Omicron> longtime(no money no update hehe)
[03:45] <Choubaka> or 3.0 :)
[03:45] <Vixus> hybrid_goth: I don't want to buy it... so no.
[03:45] <hybrid_goth> Choubaka: i doubt anytime soon, escepcially if they do that so called fork w/e
[03:45] <hybrid_goth> Vixus: heh ok
[03:45] <Choubaka> w/e?
[03:45] <Omicron> c/p?
[03:45] <krg> Oh.
[03:45] <hybrid_goth> Choubaka: whatever
[03:45] <Omicron> My
[03:46] <krg> How "accelerated" is Xorg with the nvidia driver?
[03:46] <Vixus> mr_roboto: Yeah, that's why I have my wintendo partition with lots of space <_< unfortunately...
[03:46] <Omicron> nv?
[03:46] <krg> No.
[03:46] <krg> Not nv.
[03:46] <krg> nvidia.
[03:46] <krg> The extra speshul one.
[03:46] <Omicron> 0_+
[03:46] <Seveaz> laggus maximus
[03:46] <mr_roboto> krg: if you use the binary nvidia driver, it's great
[03:46] <Choubaka> tou can use composite. but I hear it may cause crashes.
[03:46] <krg> Yeah.
[03:46] <holycow> hybrid_goth, no linux or anything else will never storm any desktop, users simply don't have the skills to learn new gui's unless forced to, say in a workplace mandated type of environment
[03:46] <krg> I am, but I don't see a noticeable difference.
[03:46] <krg> Then again, I'm doing this on a three-year-old box with a GF3Ti200.
[03:47] <Omicron> property sofeware(no good)
[03:47] <PhantomFreak> Can someone please tell me if there are any anti-virus packages for Ubuntu
[03:47] <mr_roboto> krg: you see no diff in, say, glxgears framerate?!
[03:47] <IFRFLYR> Seveas, thanks. The conf file is straightforward; however can you tell me how I would discover whether my card matches cisco,eth0,ciscosource (it's an ipw2200 intel). There an online resource to learn this?
[03:47] <holycow> PhantomFreak, no, there is no need for one
[03:47] <hybrid_goth> holycow: ok i see but *they* will storm to alternatives come longhorn
[03:47] <mr_roboto> krg: i play q3a just as fast as under windows with the nvidia binary driver
[03:47] <holycow> PhantomFreak, although virus' have beenshown in the laboratory, no one has actually seen one in the wild
[03:47] <hybrid_goth> lol
[03:48] <hybrid_goth> holycow: never?
[03:48] <PhantomFreak> What u on?
[03:48] <holycow> hybrid_goth, i don't think so there either, users tend to like the 'jail they are used to'
[03:48] <LinuxJones> PhantomFreak, there are a couple for scanning Windows based files for viruses.
[03:48] <holycow> imho anyone
[03:48] <Seveas> IFRFLYR, sorry, i have no experience with kismet
[03:48] <holycow> PhantomFreak, there are no viruses for linux in the wild. it's that simple.
[03:48] <PhantomFreak> But there are still linux viruses though!
[03:48] <holycow> PhantomFreak, only windows users worry about that shit
[03:49] <hybrid_goth> holycow: ok we will se in 200 eerrr when ever longhorn ships
[03:49] <holycow> PhantomFreak, no, there are labtests that show its possible
[03:49] <IFRFLYR> Thanks, though Seveas!
[03:49] <Seveas> 2039 probably
[03:49] <PhantomFreak> OK Then!
[03:49] <hybrid_goth> Seveas: heh
[03:49] <Seveas> (and then they'll find out that using a long for time() isn't enough)
[03:49] <holycow> hybrid_goth, oh indeed, ms bought that virtualization stuff so they can support all the the legacy stuff, but i think they are going to get their security right this time
[03:49] <hybrid_goth> Seveas: roflmfao
[03:50] <PhantomFreak> Why is the auto-updated version of OOo and Firefox not the newest version!
[03:50] <LinuxJones> PhantomFreak, if you stick to installing software from the Ubuntu repositories you shouldn't have to worry about anything nasty getting on your system for the most part.
[03:50] <holycow> PhantomFreak, basically forget everything you learned in the ms world, its wrong
[03:50] <hybrid_goth> holycow: nah they are cutting features like  milliunum edition
[03:50] <PhantomFreak> I was using Unix when Windows Ver 2 had only just come out!
[03:50] <Seveas> PhantomFreak, ff is, OOo isn't because it was too unstable when hoasry released
[03:51] <hybrid_goth> PhantomFreak: ubuntu has a nice firewall pre-installed
[03:51] <holycow> hybrid_goth, well, yeah :) you do have a point, but implementing a 'restricted user' config is trivial, which is what they are doing as i understand
[03:51] <PhantomFreak> Well I guessed that!
[03:51] <PhantomFreak> Firefox says it's ver 1.02
[03:51] <Vixus> ye gods, even Wormux doesnt work
[03:51] <holycow> PhantomFreak, thats because it is
[03:51] <Seveas> PhantomFreak, yes but the 1.0.4 patches are applied
[03:51] <hybrid_goth> holycow: didnt they delete longhorn as shown and started over?
[03:52] <holycow> hybrid_goth, what? as far as i know this is a rewrite from the ground up ... not sure
[03:52] <PhantomFreak> U Shaw?
[03:53] <jeffco> hi all. I have a 40 GBharddrive. i did a fresh install with a Ubuntu CD, and i have 31G remaining. Did ubuntu take up 9 GB?
[03:53] <holycow> don't count ms out, those are smart talented people, the reason they release shit is because the customer forces them to.  if they made good products they would never make it to market, they are instead forced to release stuff in unfinished stages so their sales people can push yet another product out
[03:53] <hybrid_goth> holycow: i heard the just said forget it [rather soon before tiger]  and started completely over
[03:53] <mr_roboto> Can anyone tell me what to currently accepted "standard practice" is for where to locate non-packaged software that you install yourself (like Sun's Java). /usr/local?
[03:53] <hybrid_goth> idk didnt read the whole digg article
[03:53] <holycow> i seriously doubt that
[03:54] <jeffco> so what's taking up the 9GB? what happened?
[03:54] <Seveas> for jave it is: use java-package, for others it is: /usr/local or /opt
[03:54] <LinuxJones> jeffco, sounds like it. Since you got through the install ok why not wipe everything and re-install and setup your own partitions.
[03:54] <karim> hi
[03:54] <karim> http://pastebin.com/284655
[03:54] <karim> I got this error
[03:54] <jeffco> LinuxJones, you mean install from scratch again?
[03:54] <holycow> jeffco, i was talking to hybrid_goth
[03:55] <mr_roboto> seveas: I want to install Sun's jdk but just wondering in general. not just sun but anything. i seem to remember reading "/opt" was not preferred these days in linux.
[03:55] <jeffco> i just installed ubuntu yesterday, when i got the CDs in the mail, LinuxJones
[03:55] <Seveas> karim, sounds like a bug, please file it at bugzilla
[03:55] <karim> Seveas, it's on HollyKing hoary
[03:56] <karim> Seveas, in fact I am installing in debootstrap
[03:56] <ivoks> i guess not...
[03:56] <karim> maybe I must bind something
[03:56] <LinuxJones> jeffco, well it takes about half an hour and you'll probably want to allocate more space to your /home directory.
[03:56] <karim> mount --bind
[03:56] <Seveas> mr_roboto, fot installing sun jdk, download the .bin apt-get install java-package, run make-jpkg [the bin file]  and dpkg -i the created deb
[03:56] <Seveas> karim, ah ok
[03:56] <Seveas> no idea about that :S
[03:56] <fonsk3n> anyone knows what to do when my wireless netword card gets disconnected? at the moment, the only solution i found is rebooting the laptop...
[03:56] <holycow> jeffco, do fdisk -l
[03:57] <LinuxJones> jeffco, you let the ubuntu installer take care of the partitions....ie use entire hard disk ?
[03:57] <holycow> that will show you all your partitions
[03:57] <holycow> from there you can figure out where everything went to
[03:57] <yath_> moin
[03:57] <mr_roboto> Seveas: ahh thanks. never tried that before (new to debian). on my laptop I just stuck it in /usr/local and set my environment and that was the end of it.
[03:58] <jeffco> LinuxJones, yes i let ubuntu installer take care of partitions. Yes, it's using my entire hard disk. it wiped away WinXP. It cleaned everything up
[03:58] <yath_> is there a package providing an init script or something that creates /dev/{dvd,cdrom} links on boot after udev initialization?
[03:58] <jeffco> holycow, i did fdisk -l nothing happens
[03:59] <jamesio> do sudo sfdisk -l
[03:59] <holycow> sudo fdisk -l
[03:59] <jamesio> sfdisk works better (imo)
[03:59] <jeffco> Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40000000000 bytes
[03:59] <jeffco> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4863 cylinders
[03:59] <jeffco> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[03:59] <jeffco>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[03:59] <jeffco> /dev/hda1   *           1        4770    38314993+  83  Linux
[03:59] <jeffco> /dev/hda2            4771        4863      747022+   5  Extended
[03:59] <jeffco> /dev/hda5            4771        4863      746991   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[04:00] <jamesio> that's a mouthful
[04:00] <Seveas> jeffco, please don't paste here!
[04:00] <jeffco> sorry, Seveas
[04:00] <skora> use pastebin.com instead
[04:00] <jeffco> where should i paste then, Seveas ?
[04:00] <yath_> no idea, guys?
[04:00] <skora> ^
[04:00] <Seveas> jeffco, ubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:01] <jeffco> holycow, what do you make of my results?
[04:01] <jamesio> anyone know how to configure vlc to use esd?  or even alsa...  all the pieces have been installed, but I've got nothing.
[04:01] <Seveas> yath_, they sould be generated too
[04:01] <LinuxJones> yath_, just put a cd or dvd in your drive the device is created automatically by the system
[04:01] <Seveas> maybe fiddling in the udev conf is needed
[04:01] <ubuntu> hallo
[04:01] <yath_> Seveas: uhm
[04:01] <yath_> LinuxJones: no
[04:01] <jamesio> jeffco, it gave you a 38.3 gig main partition and a 746 meg swap file
[04:01] <LinuxJones> yath_, it's not working for you ?
[04:01] <Seveas> yath_, otherwise add it to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh :)
[04:02] <jamesio> jeffco, nothing unusual about it
[04:02] <krg> Hm.
[04:02] <yath_> LinuxJones: wait a second, i'll try it with a cdrom
[04:02] <krg> Is there any way to get the nvidia thing with the K7-optimized kernel?
[04:02] <jamesio> krg, yes
[04:02] <holycow> jeffco, well at least you know what partitions you have and how large they are
[04:02] <jamesio> krg, I can tell you what I did
[04:02] <krg> That'd be nice.
[04:02] <krg> Thanks.
[04:02] <LinuxJones> yath_, it should mount and place an icon on your desktop to the cd/dvd drive
[04:02] <holycow> now you can subtract from your files system size
[04:02] <shinaku> :)
[04:03] <yath_> uhm. now, there's a link
[04:03] <mr_roboto> krg: if you have the kernel source installed, the nvidia driver binary will build you a new module to match
[04:03] <LinuxJones> yath_, sweet :)
[04:03] <krg> Heh.
[04:03] <jeffco> holycow, jamesio, then why do i only have nautilus showing that i have 31.9 gigs of free space (out of a 40G HD)? Does that mean Ubuntu takes up 9Gigs?
[04:03] <shinaku> Running Ubuntu 5.04 x64, but my video card died, so I am using a TNT2, and the openGL performance is crap, even with the nvidia-glx installed
[04:03] <krg> It seemed to have problems finding it.  :P
[04:03] <shinaku> any idea how to increase the perfomance?
[04:03] <jeffco> holycow, " subtract from your files system size"? what do you mean?
[04:04] <webby> how do I play dvd on Ubuntu?
[04:04] <jamesio> jeffco, no... it's probably more of a 1,000,000,000 bytes vs. 1,048,xxx,xxx byte issue
[04:04] <LinuxJones> webby, check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:04] <shinaku> webby, get VLC media player
[04:04] <jeffco> jamesio, i'm sorry, i still don't get it: did ubuntu take up about 9Gigs of space?
[04:04] <mr_roboto> you have to make sure the kernel source you installed matches uname -r
[04:04] <yath_> hmhmhm.. what should "VFS: busy inodes on changed media" tell me?
[04:05] <DunkMaster> hey yo all
[04:05] <jeffco> I thought it would take up 1 to 3Gigs of space only, jamesio, holycow .
[04:05] <Omicron> hola
[04:05] <Seveas> jeffco, it should not take 9 GB
[04:05] <LinuxJones> yath_, is that a blank dvd ?
[04:05] <_ToNhO_> DunkMaster: hi
[04:05] <holycow> jeffco, it does, your not thinking
[04:05] <slept> jeffco, df -h
[04:05] <yath_> LinuxJones: no, a bought video DVD
[04:05] <holycow> slept, ah thx, didn't know about that
[04:05] <Seveas> jeffco, what does df -h say?
[04:05] <yath_> maybe it's just dirty. but the drive won't open anymore
[04:06] <hac> What is the best shell:Bash,zsh or ksh?
[04:06] <DunkMaster> hi _ToNhO_
[04:06] <Seveas> hac, it's a matter of opinion :)
[04:06] <mr_roboto> yath: you probably have to unmount it before opening?
[04:06] <Seveas> like the big vim vs emacs debate
[04:06] <Seveas> or gnove vs kde
[04:06] <Seveas> gnome*
[04:06] <LinuxJones> yath_, it's encrypted you need libdecss (or whatever it's called) check ubuntuguide.org
[04:06] <jeffco> seveas, do i paste the results here?
[04:06] <yath_> mr_roboto: i didn't mount it either
[04:06] <Seveas> jeffco, no, please don't :)
[04:07] <Seveas> use ubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:07] <slept> or #flood
[04:07] <yath_> LinuxJones: i have xine with libdvdread installed, it brings libdvdcss along
[04:07] <Seveas> slept, not everybody joins #flood
[04:07] <jeffco> Seveas, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/284662
[04:07] <Omicron> #uguntu-dump
[04:08] <Seveas> jeffco, it only uses 2.3 GB
[04:08] <Seveas> that's what it says right there :)
[04:08] <LinuxJones> yath_, can you access it from within xine ?
[04:08] <yath_> the /dev/cdrom links work, but not /dev/dvd.. hmm
[04:08] <yath_> LinuxJones: if i point xine to /dev/hdc, yes
[04:08] <LinuxJones> yath_, It's supposed to automagically launch
[04:08] <yath_> LinuxJones: yes, the gnome-volume-thing launches totem-xine
[04:08] <LinuxJones> yath_, do you have 2 cd/dvd drives ?
[04:08] <yath_> LinuxJones: but i want a /dev/dvd link pointing to /dev/hdc ;-)
[04:08] <yath_> LinuxJones: no
[04:09] <Seveas> yath_, just add ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd to /etc/bootmisc.sh
[04:09] <jeffco> thanks for interpreting that result for me, Seveas . But then why is nautilus saying that I only have 31.9 GB of free space?
[04:09] <Seveas> jeffco, because the disk is only 36 gb...
[04:09] <yath_> Seveas: there must be a better way to accomplish that, IMHO
[04:10] <Seveas> yath_, yeah i think so too, but for me the links are automagically there
[04:10] <Seveas> yath_, do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[04:10] <yath_> Seveas: yep
[04:10] <yath_> ah
[04:10] <yath_> there's an /etc/udev/scripts/cdsymlinks.sh
[04:10] <jeffco> holycow, "jeffco, it does, your not thinking." please tell me what you mean.
[04:10] <krg> Heh.
[04:11] <krg> Powers of 2 vs. powers of 10.
[04:11] <Seveas> :)
[04:11] <Seveas> the power of misconceptions :)
[04:11] <jeffco> Seveas, 36G? huh? i thought it was a 40G that the seller sold me!
[04:11] <rod> well, think about it jeffco
[04:11] <Seveas> jeffco, well fdisk disagrees with that.
[04:11] <Seveas> maybe 40.000 MB
[04:11] <Seveas> they sell that as 40G
[04:11] <Seveas> but it is only 36
[04:11] <yath_> ARGH!
[04:12] <yath_> for some reason "Can read DVD:" is set to 0 in /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info
[04:12] <slept> yath_, you can select /dev/hd.. in xine preferences instead of the link
[04:12] <jeffco> Seveas, okay anyway, 36 Gig minus 2.3 should leave me with 33.7. and not 31.9GB as Nautilus says.
[04:13] <Seveas> jeffco, well, nautilus may be wrong there...
[04:13] <yath_> slept: yep, but i thought it _should_ work automagically. now as i've found out the reason, i can workaround it ;)
[04:13] <topyli> jeffco: those are always inaccurate because 1M is not 1000k and 1G is not 1000M
[04:13] <jeffco> Seveas, fdisk says that my disk is 40GB, not 36.
[04:13] <LinuxJones> yath_, would it be easier to get xine to open the dvd from System>>Preferences>>Removable Drives and Multimedia>>Multimedia tab
[04:13] <yath_> . o O ( maybe i should tell VMware to emulate _dvd_ drive.. *sigh* )
[04:13] <Seveas> jeffco, it says size: 36GB
[04:14] <Seveas> used: 2.3
[04:14] <Seveas> avail 32
[04:14] <Choubaka> it reserves some for root.
[04:14] <jeffco> df is fdisk?
[04:14] <jeffco> Seveas?
[04:14] <Seveas> a few gb's seem to be lost there
[04:14] <Seveas> no df isn't fdisk
[04:14] <krg> We explained that.
[04:15] <mr_roboto> man df
[04:15] <krg> Your manufacturer sold you a disk that is (somewhere around) 40 billion bytes.
[04:15] <Seveas> but fdisk uses the wrong numbers :)
[04:15] <DunkMaster> okay, are there any MSN Messenger clients for ubuntu?
[04:15] <krg> If you divide that by 1024 three times.
[04:15] <krg> You'll get a number that's slightly over 36.
[04:15] <yath_> btw, is there are kernel with vootspl
[04:15] <yath_> err
[04:15] <etzerd> ?
[04:15] <yath_> is there a kernel with bootsplash built into it?
[04:15] <Seveas> yath_, sure, but no ubuntu one
[04:15] <jeffco> Seveas, you said "a few gb's seem to be lost there." what do you mean?
[04:15] <holycow> jeffco, hard drives are never the EXACT number of gigs they are sold, usually less, never more
[04:16] <Seveas> jeffco well, 32 + 2.3 < 36
[04:16] <Seveas> ant it's too much for a round-off error
[04:16] <yath_> Seveas: mkay
[04:16] <Seveas> yath_, for breezy they are working on a user-level bootsplash
[04:16] <jeffco> so what happened to those several GB?
[04:16] <webby> holycow, can you sue them?
[04:16] <holycow> webby, they tried in california and lost
[04:16] <MuStR> lol
[04:16] <webby> it is false adventisement
[04:17] <webby> advertisement*
[04:17] <holycow> Seveas, it looks like he has two partions, one for /dev, which for some reason is 2.3 gigs also?
[04:17] <yath_> ha
[04:17] <Seveas> holycow, no that's a udev trick
[04:17] <etzerd> gnome gui has 2 status bar one on top and one on the bottom. How can I make it just one status bar just like KDE does?
[04:17] <gavriels_> cd ..
[04:17] <yath_> now, as vmware emulates a dvd drive, "Can read DVD" is set to 1 and udev correctly creates /dev/dvd links
[04:17] <holycow> Seveas, oh... k.
[04:18] <yath_> :-}
[04:18] <gavriels_> urp!
[04:18] <LinuxJones> etzerd, right click the one you don't want and delete it
[04:18] <jeffco> Seveas,  so what happened to those several GBs?
[04:18] <Seveas> jeffco, they are still there
[04:19] <jeffco> and what do i do with LinuxJones's advice "to allocate more space to your /home directory"? Will that somehow give me more GBs?
[04:19] <Seveas> maybe you need to run fsck from a live cd
[04:19] <etzerd> I understand linuxJones, I have done that but what happened is by deleting the one on the bottom when you want to minimize a file you won't see it.
[04:20] <LinuxJones> etzerd, you can add a window list to the top panel by right clicking the panel and selecting "add to panel"
[04:20] <jeffco> i need to run fsck from a live cd, Seveas ?
[04:20] <jeffco> were you talking to me, Seveas ?
[04:21] <etzerd> Thanks LinuxJones.
[04:21] <LinuxJones> jeffco, it's easiest for you just to re-install and set your own partitions
[04:21] <LinuxJones> etzerd, :)
[04:21] <yath_> mhm, does the gnome sound thing use esd?
[04:21] <mr_roboto> Does anyone know if "parted" can reliably resize and move partitions without data loss? (not shrinking below used about, of course)
[04:21] <LinuxJones> etzerd, you probably will want to add a workspace switcher to the top bar as well
[04:22] <webby> is there a media player that get the lyrics form the net automatically like amarok, but for gnome?
[04:22] <neul> hi everybody... question from a not-even-a-newbie-yet:
[04:22] <webby> or atleast a lyrics manager..
[04:22] <slept> jeffco, what is your problem, just the missing space ?
[04:23] <jeffco> LinuxJones, and how should i set up the partititons?
[04:23] <jeffco> slept, yes.
[04:23] <cspnico> hi
[04:23] <slept> jeffco, forget about it
[04:23] <cspnico> i have a problem
[04:23] <neul> ordered a couple CDs of the 5.0.4 distro about 7 weeks ago... hasn't arrived yet, should I just wait patiently?
[04:23] <slept> jeffco, setting up partitons won't change things
[04:24] <thr1ce> neul: do you have a cable modem?
[04:24] <k31th> alright guys
[04:24] <cspnico> i have not sound in flash animation and sometimes totem dislay that the audio peripherique is busy
[04:24] <neul> yes I do
[04:24] <jeffco> slept, it won't? Linuxjones, it won't, would it?
[04:24] <LinuxJones> jeffco, I would create 4 partitions /boot (50 megs) /swap (500 megs depending on how much ram you have), / 6 gigs /home the rest of your space.
[04:24] <thr1ce> neul: and a CD burner?
[04:24] <MuStR> cspnico: have you installed ALSA?
[04:24] <neul> fraid not :(
[04:24] <cspnico> MuStR>yes
[04:24] <cspnico> i m under kde
[04:25] <{Seb}> hey all
[04:25] <cspnico> he is install in origin alsa
[04:25] <{Seb}> this hp/ubuntu thing sounds good
[04:25] <thr1ce> or, do you know anyone with the two?  lol; you could download one in a couple hours, and burn it in a matter of minutes, allf or free
[04:25] <MuStR> cspnico: set your devices that use music to use the ALSA sound output.
[04:25] <slept> jeffco, if you repartiton you can set up lvm so you can change sizes of the partitions -not hard to do and  very nice
[04:25] <{Seb}> has anyone got mono 1.1.7 running?
[04:25] <MuStR> what is lvm?
[04:25] <jeffco> what's lvm, slept?
[04:26] <cspnico> MuStR>xmms play sound with any problems
[04:26] <neul> thr1ce:  I wish... guess I'll have to wait
[04:26] <DunkMaster> going?
[04:26] <slept> logical volume mangement
[04:26] <MuStR> cspnico: did you do what I said?
[04:26] <jeffco> since partitioning seems to be so important, why then can't the Ubuntu installer do it the way you guys (slept, LinuxJones ) recommend?
[04:26] <{Seb}> just wondering
[04:26] <{Seb}> could i open up breezy install mono 1.1.7 and go back to hoary?
[04:26] <MuStR> jeffco: what are you trying to do?
[04:27] <cspnico> MuStR: how?
[04:27] <Tomcat_> jeffco: The installer partitioner works exactly like I want it. :)
[04:27] <LinuxJones> jeffco, I don't know why it did that to your system, when the installer says it should use the entire disk it should do exactly that :(
[04:27] <webby> what is the command to search for a package if it's available or not?
[04:27] <slept> jeffco, for my desktop 2 partitions are enough / and swap - i only got one disk
[04:28] <cspnico> yes it works nowww
[04:28] <{Seb}> yes?
[04:28] <webby> what is the command to search for a package if it's available or not?
[04:28] <IFRFLYR> apt-cache search package-name
[04:28] <jeffco> MuStR, the thing is, yesterday i got the ubuntu CDs. I put in the install CD and had it automatically partition my HD. Now asI check Nautilus, it seemed that I was losing a few GBs of space.
[04:29] <slept> jeffco, if you want to split things you can do that but if one of your partition becomes full
[04:29] <jeffco> slept, i only have one disk, too.
[04:29] <MuStR> cspnico: Please go here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[04:29] <IFRFLYR> Then if you get a hit, and want more, do apt-cache show package-name
[04:29] <MuStR> jeffco: are you serious...?
[04:29] <MuStR> jeffco: how can you tell?
[04:29] <IFRFLYR> did you see that, webby?
[04:29] <webby> yep
[04:30] <IFRFLYR> Well. You're welcome ;)
[04:30] <PhantomFreak> How do I install Java Runtime Enviroment?
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> PhantomFreak: check ubuntuguide.org
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> I believe it's covered there
[04:30] <IFRFLYR> PhantomFreak: ths might help:
[04:30] <IFRFLYR> http://www.nickselby.com/articles/technology/?a=1806
[04:30] <jeffco> LinuxJones, so are you saying that the installer did not use the entire disk? is there a way I could check?
[04:30] <precious> PhantomFreak you don't wanna do that ;)
[04:31] <cspnico> MuStR:>thanks a lots
[04:31] <PhantomFreak> why not!
[04:31] <MuStR> cspnico: good luck
[04:31] <precious> PhantomFreak cause it's pain in the ass:)
[04:31] <{Seb}> will mono 1.1.7 get into backports?
[04:31] <precious> PhantomFreak not for ubuntu only, ofcourse, but for all OS
[04:31] <Seveas> the ubutnuguide is wrong wrt java PhantomFreak
[04:31] <slept> jeffco, swap an / should be enough for you . you can use cfdisk to fin out if your whole hd is used
[04:32] <Seveas> PhantomFreak, for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package an run sudo dpkg-i on the generated deb
[04:32] <{Seb}> yeh!
[04:32] <{Seb}> mono 1.1.7 is in backports
[04:32] <Seveas> backports are evil...
[04:32] <{Seb}> now i can start building beagle 0.10
[04:32] <PhantomFreak> Severas Can't run the .bin file!
[04:32] <{Seb}> Seveas: why?
[04:33] <jeffco> slept,  i typed in cfdisk in the terminal. then i got a black screen that says "Fatal Error. Cannot Open Disk Drive"
[04:33] <PhantomFreak> fuck knows!
[04:33] <{Seb}> Seveas: i need mono 1.1.7 but breezy ain't stable enough yet
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> jeffco: you need to run cfdisk /dev/hda (for example
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> )
[04:33] <Seveas> PhantomFreak, you downloaded the jdk...somethingg...bin?
[04:33] <{Seb}> Seveas: what would you do?
[04:33] <slept> jeffco, sudo cfdisk /dev/hda
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> where /dev/hda is the disk drive you want to edit
[04:33] <Seveas> PhantomFreak, chmod +x [the filename of the bin] 
[04:33] <precious> PhantomFreak the .bin file is for extraction, not for execution:)
[04:33] <Seveas> after that you can run the binfile
[04:33] <precious> i gues..
[04:33] <precious> +s
[04:33] <Seveas> precious, wrong ;)
[04:33] <jeffco> how do i know which drive i want to check out? (i only have one hard drive!)
[04:34] <Seveas> make-jpkg needs to run the binfile
[04:34] <precious> hm :)
[04:34] <precious> ok;)
[04:34] <slept> the tab-key is for auto-completion
[04:34] <Seveas> {Seb}, i would wait for breeze to stabilize before i try to run mono and beagle, since beagle is already in breezy
[04:35] <Seveas> i've lived for years without beagle, i'm sure i can manage a few more weeks/months :)
[04:35] <slept> jeffco,  you can start typing and press that key /dev/hd
[04:35] <jeffco> slept, HrdwrBoB, results are at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/284670
[04:35] <jeffco> please take a look.
[04:36] <black_Nightmare> any of you mind if I ask about motherboards???
[04:36] <black_Nightmare> :p
[04:36] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, only if it;s Ubuntu related ;)
[04:36] <PhantomFreak> Seveas Chmod worked, I'll get back to you on the rest!
[04:37] <black_Nightmare> http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20050415/images/aopen-board.jpg these blue sata connectors beneath the first pci slot .. that okay or I should rather find a different motherboard?
[04:37] <{Seb}> Sevas: i'm a beagle hacker
[04:37] <refuze2looze> do i have to install GLIBC from source?
[04:37] <{Seb}> Sevas: i'm on suse but i'm thinking of going back to ubuntu
[04:37] <black_Nightmare> I mean...I'll probably be wanting to use two or more pci cards already so don't want buy a board with blocked board connectors
[04:37] <{Seb}> Seveas: i'll give the backports a go
[04:38] <Seveas> {Seb}, ah ok
[04:38] <{Seb}> Seveas: can i use them then?
[04:38] <Seveas> {Seb}, better install mono from source too then
[04:38] <{Seb}> Seveas: is it acceptable for me?
[04:38] <slept> jeffco,  looks like everything is fine
[04:38] <Seveas> i'd always avoid backports
[04:38] <HappyFool> refuze2looze: why would you want to that?
[04:38] <Seveas> installing from source is better imho
[04:39] <{Seb}> Seveas: dependencies need mono (muine, tomboy, f-spot)
[04:39] <jeffco> HrdwrBoB, slept: as you can see, i've got 40 GB there. But accdng to Nautilus i have only 31.9GB of free space!
[04:39] <Seveas> {Seb}, long live equivs :)
[04:39] <{Seb}> !
[04:39] <refuze2looze> HappyFool: well i need to install GLIBC 2.3.4 and i don't see it on apt-get (universe multiverse is all enabled)
[04:39] <slept> jeffco, forget about nautilus - use df
[04:39] <refuze2looze> HappyFool: i tried installing it from source and it got 2 errors during compile somewhere
[04:39] <Seveas> refuze2looze, why 2.3.4 specifically?
[04:40] <{Seb}> Seveas: is breezy useable yet?
[04:40] <Seveas> refuze2looze, compiling glibc is not for newbies (not saying that you are one..)
[04:40] <Seveas> {Seb}, no, it's completely unstable
[04:40] <black_Nightmare> seveas see my question and the picture link?
[04:40] <refuze2looze> Seveas: i'm trying to start a program that says "requires glibc 2.3.4". i guess a later version would be good but as i understand that's the latest stable
[04:40] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, I must have missed it
[04:40] <black_Nightmare> hmm let me repeat it..
[04:40] <Seveas> refuze2looze, which program is it ?!?
[04:41] <black_Nightmare> this link: http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20050415/images/aopen-board.jpg ~~ these blue sata connectors beneath the first pci slot .. that okay or I should rather find a different motherboard?
[04:41] <black_Nightmare> seveas.. see it now? ^
[04:41] <Seveas> yeah :)
[04:41] <refuze2looze> Seveas: Gimpshop. it's like the gimp source code but it's made like a photoshop-like UI
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> it's what you would use iff you previously pirated photoshop.
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> *ahem*
[04:41] <Seveas> mobo looks ok to me :)
[04:41] <MuStR> hahhha
[04:41] <karim> how to add an user with the sudo rights ? I created a new system with debootstrap but base-config says it's already configured while I don't have configured anything like the main user of the system
[04:42] <Seveas> refuze2looze, an it doesn;t come as source?
[04:42] <black_Nightmare> seveas...hmm so the sata connectors being very close to pci slot -- doesn't really matter .. right?
[04:42] <refuze2looze> Seveas: i followed all of the correct instrcutions to compile glibc. configure had no problem. somewhere along make there were 2 errors and it does not work
[04:42] <jeffco> slept, ok i used df. results are at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/284672. what do you make of it?
[04:42] <Seveas> karim, add the user to the admin group
[04:42] <HappyFool> refuze2looze: it might be easier to compile and install gimpshop than glibc
[04:42] <Seveas> refuze2looze, glibc is a monster to compile
[04:42] <karim> Seveas, hum there is no root password right ?
[04:42] <Seveas> indeed karim
[04:43] <refuze2looze> Seveas: gimpshop? yes, i can download it as source, i installed the debian package though.. it wouldn't need glibc if i compile it from source?
[04:43] <HappyFool> refuze2looze: check the release notes / readme to see if there's a required glibc
[04:43] <refuze2looze> HappyFool: there is indeeed
[04:43] <refuze2looze> indeed*
[04:44] <zxc> is there any program which can convert .rar to .zip or something?
[04:44] <karim> Seveas, it says the group admin doesn't exists !!!!
[04:44] <refuze2looze> why is there no debian pacakge for GLIBC?
[04:44] <refuze2looze> i searched all over the net
[04:44] <zxc> or any program which can handle .rar apart from unrar
[04:44] <slept> jeffco, looks strange - what did you do since installation ?
[04:44] <HappyFool> refuze2looze: search for libc
[04:44] <HappyFool> e.g., apt-cache search --names-only libc
[04:44] <mbeattie> zxc: Nautilus can do rar I believe
[04:44] <HappyFool> however, ubuntu has version 2.3.2
[04:45] <thr1ce> hoary has 2.3.2, you mean
[04:45] <slept> zxc , unp
[04:45] <refuze2looze> HappyFool: ah okay, at least i see the version i have installed 2.3.2 in synaptic now
[04:45] <HappyFool> err
[04:45] <HappyFool> yeah, sorry
[04:45] <refuze2looze> i guess i'll search the net for a debian package of libc
[04:46] <thr1ce> why, you have glibc install I thought?
[04:46] <HappyFool> he wants 2.3.4
[04:46] <thr1ce> oh
[04:46] <HappyFool> i fear much unhappiness if it is installed though ;)
[04:46] <mlambie> Hello. Can anyone recommend a good app to draw network diagrams with?
[04:47] <jeffco> slept, since yesterday's installation, i have downloaded firefox off the web, got multimedia codes, etc to run mp3s,
[04:47] <refuze2looze> HappyFool: why unhappiness?
[04:47] <bpuccio> mlambie: try dia
[04:47] <vuntz> mlambie: dia can be useful
[04:47] <jeffco> slept, i did some other stuff too, but i forgot.
[04:47] <Seveaz> major lagging here :S
[04:47] <jeffco> what's wrong, slept ?
[04:47] <slept> jeffco, might have to do with ext3fs on my server I have the same thing I figuered out right now . with reiserfs I don't have that loss of space
[04:47] <HappyFool> refuze2looze: i dunno. upgrading glibc strikes me as dangerous ;)
[04:48] <karim> what is the  name of the administrator group ?
[04:48] <slept> but I don't know enough about filesystems  - maybe someone else does
[04:48] <jeffco> slept, your last post is over my head. what do you mean?
[04:48] <refuze2looze> HappyFool: i like to live dangerously ;P
[04:48] <jamesio> what program do you guys suggest to burn an iso to cd?
[04:48] <zxc> slept, know how to use unp? I've installed it...?
[04:48] <mlambie> bpuccio, vuntz: last time I looked at dia the images were all pretty lousy, but i'll check again. Thanks
[04:49] <LinuxJones> mlambie, there is gnome's dia
[04:49] <Seveaz> mlambie, try xfig ;)
[04:49] <jeffco> slept, so repartitioning won't help right?
[04:49] <slept> jeffco, i thing you can forget about that space and just look for other things to do
[04:49] <jeffco> slept, ok.
[04:49] <mlambie> LinuxJones: is that different to "apt-get install dia"?
[04:49] <LinuxJones> mlambie, >> http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia/
[04:49] <LinuxJones> mlambie, nope same one
[04:49] <gavriels_> anyone ever dealt with configuring ahci SATA disks?
[04:49] <slept> jeffco, i don't thing it will help but I'm not sure
[04:49] <mlambie> ah ok
[04:49] <jeffco> slept,  i think i'm just a problem-seeker by nature.
[04:50] <HappyFool> refuze2looze: i haven't read this page in detail, but it doesn't mention a specific glibc version: http://linux.suramya.com/tutorials/Install_GIMPShop/
[04:50] <rudi1234> hi@all
[04:50] <gavriels_> I have a laptop that is giving me some trouble.  With the sata_piix driver, it works, but is very slow
[04:50] <slept> zxc unp filename
[04:50] <LinuxJones> mlambie, the version might be a little different but it should be ok for you :)
[04:50] <gavriels_> every time there's disk access, everything else on the system bogs down
[04:50] <gavriels_> I'm trying to use the ahci driver instead, but it doesn't seem too happy
[04:50] <refuze2looze> HappyFool: if you look under "2.0 Pre-Requisites" it's listed "GLib >= 2.4.5"
[04:50] <Seveaz> gavriels, is dma on?
[04:50] <gavriels_> DMA and SATA don't mix
[04:50] <jeffco> to all: what's Shuttleworth's motive for ubuntu? He is planning on making money out of it, right?
[04:50] <mlambie> Seveas: thanks for the recommendation. I'll check that out too.
[04:50] <thr1ce> GLib >= 2.4.5
[04:51] <gavriels_> rather - hdparm isn't smart enough to deal with SATA DMA issues
[04:51] <Seveaz> thr1ce, glib isnt glibc
[04:51] <gavriels_> I believe that DMA is actually happening though
[04:51] <HappyFool> glib != glibc, afaik
[04:51] <refuze2looze> HappyFool: and i'll have you know i just installed it and gimpshop seems to be working :)
[04:51] <Seveaz> two completely different things
[04:51] <HappyFool> glib is gnome's / gtk's portable library thingy
[04:51] <Seveaz> refuze2looze,  glib isnt glibc
[04:51] <thr1ce> wtf...2.4.5?
[04:51] <gavriels_> Jeff Garzik's kernel page on sata suggests that there's an issue with sata_piix:
[04:51] <gavriels_> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/sata-status.html#ich5
[04:51] <thr1ce> ooh, right
[04:52] <refuze2looze> seveaz: oh ..shit
[04:52] <gavriels_> where there are 'excessive interrupts'
[04:52] <HappyFool> refuze2looze: hoary has glib 2.6.3
[04:52] <LinuxJones> jeffco, yeah that's the goal to make Ubuntu self-sustaining through providing technical support
[04:52] <gavriels_> but I can't seem to get ubuntu to use the ahci sata driver instead of the sata_piix driver
[04:52] <refuze2looze> then i wonder why it was trippin about glibc...
[04:52] <thr1ce> you should be fine
[04:52] <refuze2looze> this looks just like the regular gimp, what the hell
[04:53] <thr1ce> not button placement
[04:53] <barto-kun> OMFG WTF is Synaptic having a spaz
[04:53] <barto-kun> Does anyone know if there's a super obvious reason that WHATEVER I add to sources.list doesn't work in Synaptic
[04:54] <IIIEars> refuze2looze - can i ask you a gimp an easy GIMP question? PM
[04:54] <Seveas> barto-kun, a f*ed up sources.list maybe?
[04:54] <barto-kun> I just tried to add backports.ubuntuforums.org and Synaptic fails trying to download
[04:54] <LinuxJones> barto-kun, have you clicked the update button ?
[04:54] <bpuccio> barto-kun: it woul help if we coudl see a copy of your sources file
[04:54] <Seveas> barto-kun, backports are creepy
[04:54] <HappyFool> does 'apt-get update' give you an error?
[04:54] <LinuxJones> barto-kun, sorry make that reload ?
[04:54] <jeffco> LinuxJones, oh i see. just like red hat, huh? all the software will be free, but the help will be charged for.
[04:55] <HappyFool> jeffco: hey, we're not charging you are we? ;)
[04:55] <refuze2looze> IIIEars: huh?
[04:55] <bpuccio> jeffco: IRC is free as are the lists
[04:55] <Seveas> jeffco, the community help will always be free
[04:55] <IIIEars> I want to remove the background from a picture
[04:55] <refuze2looze> they just rearranged a few menu items, it doesn't look like photoshop though.. eh
[04:55] <refuze2looze> lol
[04:55] <Seveas> jeffco, and Ubuntu needs less help than red hat :)
[04:55] <thr1ce> i'm not convinced synaptic/ apt-get / packages management in ubuntu works very efficiently
[04:55] <LinuxJones> jeffco, yeah, developers/bandwidth/office/free cd's cost money and paid technical support will help pay the bills :)
[04:55] <Seveas> thr1ce, it does though...
[04:55] <thr1ce> I tried to get rid of evolution when I installed, and still found a bunch of data servers left behind
[04:56] <Seveas> evolution isn't e-d-s
[04:56] <refuze2looze> IIIEars: what are you sending me
[04:56] <Seveas> e-d-s is needed for other things too
[04:56] <thr1ce> e-d-s?
[04:56] <Seveas> evolution-data-server
[04:56] <refuze2looze> IIIEars: oh nevermind dcc chat.. uh what is your question you can ask in here
[04:56] <thr1ce> yes, I removed it from synaptic, and found it on my system still
[04:56] <jeffco> HappyFool, you're not charging, ha ha, that's why I'm wondering: why would anyone want to pay for support when there is free support available?
[04:56] <IIIEars> don't want to ask a GIMP question here.
[04:57] <Seveas> thr1ce, what do you mean with 'found it on my system'?
[04:57] <HappyFool> jeffco: cos we don't guarantee answers
[04:57] <barto-kun> http://pastebin.com/284679 <- my sources.list
[04:57] <bpuccio> jeffco: not so much uend users but corpoations
[04:57] <jeffco> bpuccio, oh, i see.
[04:57] <IIIEars> Okay - How do i use layers to remove a background
[04:57] <thr1ce> Seveas: I removed it through synaptic, updatedb 'ed, ran locate evolution, and found a bunch of data-server stuff
[04:57] <refuze2looze> IIIEars: you convert the background to a layer then right click > delete
[04:57] <Seveas> thr1ce, maybe some config files are still left
[04:57] <slept> can I resize2fs a mounted partition ?
[04:58] <zxc> slept, works perfectly. Thanks a lot! =D
[04:58] <Seveas> thr1ce, they are only removed with apt-get remove --purge
[04:58] <thr1ce> Seveas: they weren't config files (i'm not on ubuntu ATM)
[04:58] <barto-kun> ok, it's all working
[04:58] <Seveas> thr1ce, did you remove evolution-data-server too?
[04:58] <thr1ce> yes I did
[04:58] <Seveas> barto-kun, please think twice before using backports
[04:58] <thr1ce> everything evolution* that was installed
[04:58] <barto-kun> apt-get update fixes it. Dunno why Synaptic's Reload All wasn't working
[04:58] <holycow> jeffco, we are considering a switch to ubuntu BECAUSE we know we can always BUY support, meaning that support is available on demand, not support is available whenver someone decides they actually want to answer a question on a forum or irc
[04:58] <Carlfk> jeffco, also the support can sometimes take awhile (few hours) where if it was someon's job they might get it done much quicker
[04:59] <Carlfk> slept, no.
[04:59] <Seveas> thr1ce, and have you run updatedb before running slocate?
[04:59] <LinuxJones> barto-kun, backports can cause you grief when you go to upgrade to the next version of Ubuntu.
[04:59] <thr1ce> Seveas: of course
[04:59] <thr1ce> Seveas: this was about a month ago...I have since gone back to slack :(
[04:59] <Seveas> thr1ce, well, then i'd like to see the output of that slocate run :)
[04:59] <Seveas> ah ok
[05:00] <barto-kun> LinuxJones: I just want to play DVDs! (am using backports to install libdvdcss)
[05:00] <HappyFool> thr1ce: you can find out what package owns a file with 'dpkg -S <filename>'
[05:00] <forse_root[away] > hello, i have "kubuntu 5.04", in order to install GCC it says to me "configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH". that package lacks to me?
[05:00] <Seveas> barto-kun, use marillat for that
[05:00] <HappyFool> for future reference, i guess ;)
[05:00] <Seveas> not backports
[05:00] <goofrider> LinuxJones, but can't u just lin breezy to 1001 for the upgrade?
[05:00] <Carlfk> slept, but I will take this oportunity to point out that the Ubuntu installer will resize an NTFS partition, which I think is the coolest thing ever
[05:00] <HappyFool> forse_root[away] : install build-essential
[05:00] <forse_root[away] > thanks
[05:00] <thr1ce> Seveas: well, I just had to go through and remove them by hand
[05:00] <bpuccio> barto-kun: I had no issues changing my sources.list to what you currently have and did a apt-get dist-upgrade -- dry-run and didn't get any errors
[05:00] <LinuxJones> goofrider, eh ?
[05:00] <goofrider> forse_root[away] , u need to install build-essential
[05:00] <Seveas> thr1ce, rm `slocate ....` :)
[05:01] <thr1ce> lol
[05:01] <Carlfk> barto-kun, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:01] <iface> Hallo zusammen, ich glaube ich hab ne recht einfache Frage. Und zwar: Ich habe mit die neuste Firefox Version heruntergeladen, und das Setup mchte wissen wo ich das installieren mchte. Wo sollte das am besten hin?
[05:01] <goofrider> LinuxJones, a pin priority of 1001 will mark the release (breezy) to be the prefered version, even if it'll requires a dwongrade of installed packages
[05:01] <Seveas> iface, #ubuntu-de fuer deutscsprachige hilfe, hier spricht man englisch
[05:01] <slept> Carlfk,  it's /var on lvm
[05:01] <thr1ce> iface: du sollst die ubuntu packages benutzen...nicht from FF website
[05:02] <Carlfk> iface, /join #ubuntu-de
[05:02] <goofrider> slept, what's your problem? I use LVM
[05:02] <iface> jo, thx
[05:02] <karim> hi
[05:02] <karim> I got a problem with base-config on powerpc
[05:02] <karim> it says terminated
[05:02] <karim> and nothing is configured
[05:02] <PhantomFreak> Can someone tell me how to delete a file with restricted acess!
[05:03] <thr1ce> iface: du kannst es in "Synaptic" finden
[05:03] <Carlfk> PhantomFreak, sudo rm a file
[05:03] <yath_> PhantomFreak: if you tell us what "restricted access" means
[05:03] <HappyFool> PhantomFreak: 'sudo rm <file>' ? it might be restricted for a reason, though ;)
[05:03] <andrewubuntu> hi folks, a question
[05:03] <slept> I whant to resize the parition , therefor I have to unmount it
[05:03] <goofrider> HappyFool, haha
[05:03] <LinuxJones> goofrider, folks can do whatever they want on their system but jumping through hoops like that is not recommended for the majority of Ubuntu users :)
[05:03] <andrewubuntu> trying to troubleshoot a printer problem.
[05:04] <goofrider> slept, which paritiion though?
[05:04] <slept> godsmoke, /var
[05:04] <goofrider> slept, / and /var and /tmp are ESSENTIAL to the system and cannot be unmounted for some operations
[05:04] <goofrider> slept, /var is REQUIRED for LVM operations
[05:04] <andrewubuntu> Installed ubuntu 5.04 (hoary) on Compaq 1900XL laptop, with a HP Deskjet 720c printer
[05:04] <andrewubuntu> i can print to it and it begins printing the 1st 1/8th of the page
[05:05] <goofrider> slept, can u boot from livce cd and do the resizing?
[05:05] <goofrider> slept, that's the simplest solution
[05:05] <forse_root[away] > build-essential it serves to me in order to install GCC but to buil-essential servants GCC already installed, as I make?
[05:06] <slept> goofrider, I could but I don't whant to the keyboard is broken - I use ssh
[05:06] <goofrider> slept, othersie, try unmount .var in singler user mode, then mkdir /var/lock/lvm (I think)
[05:06] <goofrider> slept, u'll have to use single user mode of umounting any essentail mountpoints
[05:06] <andrewubuntu> then stops and then nothing. The print spooler seems to think that it has sent all data and job disappears (ie computer thinks it is done printing) after about 10 minutes the printer prints a line or two, then nothing.
[05:06] <Seveas> forse_root[away] , could you reformulate that question in engish, i don't understand what you mean....
[05:06] <goofrider> slept, and I think sshd isn't running @ runlevel 1
[05:06] <slept> goofrider, no singleuser with ssh
[05:07] <Seveas> andrewubuntu, have you googled for your printer + linux to see whether it's a common problem?
[05:07] <slept> goofrider, so I have to get a keyboard and chroot :(
[05:07] <goofrider> slept, I don't think there's any other options other than runlevel 1. You'll probably have to do it in a console
[05:07] <Carlfk> slept, you can reboot, and ssh back in, right?
[05:07] <slept> Carlfk, yes
[05:07] <goofrider> slept, u don't need chroot, just mkdir /var/lock
[05:08] <goofrider> slept, u don't need chroot, just mkdir /var/lock/lvm
[05:08] <forse_root[away] > I do not speak English,i use the altavista translator...
[05:08] <goofrider> slept, you LVM /var will mount @ /var normally and the new dir you made wouldn't have a effect for the system normally.
[05:09] <Carlfk> slept, edit /etc/fstab, use some other dir (like /tmp/var), cp -a /var /tmp/var, reboot
[05:09] <Seveas> forse_root[away] , what language do you speak?
[05:09] <goofrider> Carlfk, he needs to resizefs, which means he'll have to do runlevel 1
[05:09] <HappyFool> forse_root[away] : 'sudo apt-get install build-essential' ?
[05:09] <andrewubuntu> yes. seems it is a fully supported one, using the pnm2ppa driver that translated the gostscript output to the ppa language that the printer understands (i almost know what im talking about)
[05:09] <Carlfk> goofrider, i disagrtee
[05:09] <forse_root[away] > i speak italian
[05:09] <goofrider> Carlfk, DO NOT use /tmp!!!!
[05:09] <Seveas> hmm, i though hp printers need the hpijs driver?
[05:10] <HappyFool> #ubuntu-it
[05:10] <Carlfk> godsmoke, why not?
[05:10] <deville_75> hey, is anyone here familiar with sound on Linux? cuz i've been trying for a month trying to get sound to work
[05:10] <andrewubuntu> whats weird is that the 1st part that does print looks correct. i wonderif its a simple port setting in the bios, dunno
[05:10] <Carlfk> er... goofrider - why not /tmp?
[05:10] <Seveas> forse_root[away] , maybe you can find help in #ubuntu-it
[05:10] <slept> I think i'll chroot seem to be the fastest way
[05:10] <goofrider> Carlfk, you don't own /tmp. the system does. The system may delete everything in /tmp when it reboots
[05:10] <deville_75> no one?
[05:10] <deville_75> Linux Sound?
[05:11] <deville_75> it says there is no plugin to handle Mp3's
[05:11] <Seveas> deville_75, waht does not work? sound on linux is quite a big topic :)
[05:11] <HappyFool> deville_75: ask a specific question
[05:11] <Seveas> deville_75, ah!, read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:11] <deville_75> well i try to increase the volume
[05:11] <forse_root[away] > in ubuntu-it they do not very help me...
[05:11] <goofrider> slept, but u can't chroot since there'll be processes opened stuff in /var at boot time
[05:11] <deville_75> but it automatically decreases to zero
[05:11] <goofrider> slept, I've tried the chroot route, it didn't work  :)
[05:11] <Carlfk> goofrider, good point.
[05:12] <slept> goofrider, after shutdown and boot with cd it should - why shouldn't it
[05:12] <Carlfk> slept, same thing, only don;'t use /tmp ;)
[05:12] <goofrider> slept, I couldn't unmount /var no matter what I do unlesss I boot in runlevel 1
[05:12] <Carlfk> goofrider, runlevel1= fix keyboard problem
[05:13] <HappyFool> forse_root[away] : does 'sudo apt-get install build-essential' not work ?
[05:13] <goofrider> Carlfk, runeleve > 2 = can't unmount anything
[05:13] <goofrider> Carlfk, so a comprimise have to be made
[05:13] <Carlfk> goofrider, but if it is mounted somewhere else, don' t neet do unmount
[05:13] <Seveas> and what about booting from a livecd instead of runlevel mess?
[05:13] <Carlfk> Seveas, broken keyboard, so trying to do everything over ssh
[05:14] <Seveas> ah
[05:14] <Seveas> get a new keyboard ;)
[05:14] <HappyFool> attach a *working* keyboard ;)
[05:14] <forse_root[away] > HappyFool, but to GCC and g++ servants build-essential installed otherwise do not go
[05:14] <rod> well, think about it jeffco
[05:15] <goofrider> slept, if I were to go thru the trouble to boot from cd, I might was well boot using live cd and resize from there, and don't have to deal with A LOT OF other problems
[05:15] <Carlfk> er,,, my /tmp idea wasn;'t even done right...
[05:15] <forse_root[away] > but also to build-essential they serve GCC and G++
[05:15] <Seveas> HappyFool, if you did not understand forse_root[away] , he uses the altavista translator which produces gibberish :)
[05:15] <HappyFool> i enjoy puzzles, but that is unintelligible
[05:15] <Carlfk> slept, hang on.. I have to get this right
[05:15] <slept> Carlfk, I can carry my keyboard there so see you after reboot
[05:15] <goofrider> slept, and if u boot froma live cd that has shhd built-in, then u can still do it remotely  :)
[05:15] <Carlfk> slept, it can be done without the keybard
[05:15] <slept> great
[05:16] <slept> thanks a lot
[05:16] <HappyFool> forse_root[away] : installing build-essential will install gcc
[05:16] <goofrider> Carlfk, there are easier ways to cp the whole /var. And don't u think that ppl wanted to resizefs is usually because they don't have the room to cp things around? :)
[05:16] <Carlfk> slept, # out /var in fstab, save.  ln -s /var /somewhere
[05:16] <goofrider> waier ways **then** to cp ....
[05:16] <HappyFool> forse_root[away] : otherwise, 'sudo apt-get install gcc'
[05:17] <leitao> please, what is the file '/usr/lib/locale/locale-archive'?
[05:17] <HappyFool> forse_root[away] : and 'sudo apt-get install g++'
[05:17] <Carlfk> goofrider, the size issue is probably becase /var is too small, not all partitions
[05:17] <forse_root[away] > run whit apt-get -f install....
[05:18] <Carlfk> but I am starting to think maybe moving the keyboard will be quicker/safer
[05:18] <goofrider> slept, Carlfk, but if I were to do this remotely, i'd just boot using SysresqCD (200MB< with LVM, HFS, JFS, XFS, Reiser, etc in kernel) and do it over ssh
[05:18] <HappyFool> forse_root[away] : no, that is a bad idea
[05:19] <yurtesen> Hi, is there anybody who has developer access to ubuntu?
[05:19] <goofrider> barto-kun, what's the problem?
[05:19] <sig> yurtesen: why?
[05:19] <Carlfk> goofrider, yeah, thats proably better too
[05:19] <RedNeck_> finally I figure out why the Ubuntu comes without KDE
[05:19] <Seveas> goofrider, there is no problem, he realises the correct thing :)
[05:19] <Carlfk> yurtesen, everyone does ;)
[05:19] <goofrider> Carlfk,  :)
[05:19] <HappyFool> forse_root[away] : sorry, but i think the language barrier is a problem. Try #ubuntu-it later or tomorrow
[05:19] <barto-kun> goofrider: mostly it downloading at 3KB/s
[05:19] <forse_root[away] > but has worked... what is zlib?
[05:19] <yurtesen> sig: because I found a minor bug in ubuntu, I was wondering if it would be possible to fix
[05:19] <goofrider> barto-kun, hahaha
[05:19] <sig> yurtesen: report it
[05:20] <deville_75> hey, i tried that link http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats but the file it tells me to edit is locked
[05:20] <deville_75> what do i do?
[05:20] <sig> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:20] <Seveas> yurtesen, use the bugzilla :)
[05:20] <RedNeck_> If you want ubuntu with KDE (at instal), there is a second installation CD that puts KDE (3.4) instead of Gnome. Get it at www.kubuntu.org.
[05:20] <HappyFool> forse_root[away] : zip compression library
[05:20] <carambol> there is a upgrade to 1.0.4 for firefox in backports
[05:20] <HappyFool> deville_75: are you running synaptic?
[05:20] <Carlfk> yurtesen, bugzilla.ubuntu.org (i think)
[05:20] <deville_75> no
[05:20] <sig> RedNeck_: no thanks for KDE
[05:20] <deville_75> im kind of a newb
[05:20] <goofrider> deville_75, what file? is it owned by root?
[05:20] <RedNeck_> I am goint to try it
[05:20] <HappyFool> deville_75: which command is giving a problem?
[05:21] <yurtesen> sig: yes :) I didnt think abou it... I will add it to bugzilla if I can manage heh...
[05:21] <deville_75> its in etc/esound
[05:21] <HappyFool> erk, i should go
[05:21] <deville_75> the website tells me to change spawn_options to default_options
[05:21] <goofrider> deville_75, sudo gedit /etc/sound/filename.ext
[05:21] <Carlfk> yurtesen, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:21] <deville_75> oh ok
[05:22] <Carlfk> yurtesen, you can upload a patch too
[05:22] <RedNeck_> there is no way to chonge the way the clock and date looks at gnome correct?
[05:22] <forse_root[away] > zlib it is necessary for amule...
[05:22] <Carlfk> yurtesen, I'll save you a few min: you have to submit the bug, then add the patch - can't do both in one step
[05:23] <yurtesen> Carlfk: it is so minor problem, ubuntu just doesnt enable power saving on my laptop because it thinks the processor doesnt have powernow support...
[05:23] <yurtesen> This processor "mobile AMD Athlon (tm) 2400+ " is known _not_ to support power-saving
[05:24] <Carlfk> yurtesen, I just know how to submit bugs, no clue about CPU things ;)
[05:24] <forse_root[away] > wxwidget, i need to download Unix/GTK+ or Unix/Motif and X11   ??? (for amule)
[05:24] <yurtesen> because its looking for [mM] obile\ AMD\ Athlon\(tm\)\ XP* but I have 2400+ somehow instead of xp+ ...
[05:25] <Carlfk> yurtesen, but I do know of another place for laptop issues
[05:25] <yurtesen> Carlfk: yes thanks, I am going to submit it... I have no other problems with ubuntu so far :p
[05:25] <goofrider> forse_root[away] , are u installed amule from apt-get or synaptic?
[05:25] <Tomcat_> yurtesen: If you know the error so exactly, you can submit a bug report, or download the source and fix the bug.
[05:26] <deville_75> hey i changed the file, but sound is still not working, the audio volume keeps moving itself to zero
[05:26] <yurtesen> Tomcat_: I know the error and I am just about to submit a bug report. I have no idea about how to download the source and resubmit fixed, but I guess it doesnt matter...
[05:26] <barto-kun> all I want to do is watch DVDs!
[05:26] <forse_root[away] > nobody of the two... I am installing it from a "tar.gz" archives...
[05:26] <barto-kun> 'vlc: vm.c:211: ifoOpenNewVTSI: Assertion `0' failed.'
[05:26] <deville_75> all i want to do is play MUSIC!
[05:27] <goofrider> forse_root[away] , is there a particular reason u are installed from binary tarball?
[05:27] <yath_> barto-kun: apt-get install totem-xine
[05:27] <forse_root> no...
[05:27] <goofrider> forse_root, or is it a source tarball?
[05:27] <deville_75> ive been trying for Months, can someone tell me how to open MP3s with XMMS
[05:27] <goofrider> deville_75, http://ubuntulinx.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:27] <goofrider> deville_75, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:28] <deville_75> i went ther,
[05:28] <barto-kun> yath_: same thing
[05:28] <barto-kun> same with totem-gstreamer
[05:28] <barto-kun> same with gxine
[05:28] <barto-kun> they all crash
[05:28] <Taliesin`> (deville_75): apt-get install mikmod (only for XMMS)
[05:28] <Carlfk> yurtesen, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LaptopTestingHardware
[05:28] <forse_root> nobody, I have found only the archives...
[05:28] <Taliesin`> however you will need to have universe or multiverse, not sure which, in your apt.sources
[05:28] <goofrider> forse_root, amule is in universe. use that
[05:29] <forse_root> universe?
[05:29] <deville_75> ive installed XMMS
[05:29] <goofrider> forse_root, don't installl 3rd-party binary/source tarballs unless u have specific reasones
[05:29] <Carlfk> yurtesen, those guys are very appreciative (sp?) of help
[05:29] <deville_75> i just forgot how to open in terminal
[05:29] <Pischenberg> hi
[05:30] <Taliesin`> ?? universe
[05:30] <Omicron> boys
[05:30] <goofrider> forse_root, http://ubuntuguide.org/  look for "adding repositories"
[05:30] <Pischenberg> the torrents doesn't works again
[05:30] <Taliesin`> (forse_root): http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories for a direct link
[05:30] <deville_75> i forgot the command to open a mp3 in XMMS in Terminal
[05:30] <IIIEars>  "amule" when or "When good harware goes bad.." - lol
[05:30] <CarlK> deville_75 - xmms foo.mp3
[05:30] <deville_75> k
[05:30] <deville_75> thx
[05:30] <Omicron> IIIEars: ?
[05:30] <peck> hey all. what's the command for deleting a file in the shell?
[05:30] <goofrider> rm
[05:30] <CarlK> peck - rm - remove
[05:31] <Pischenberg> someone can test the torrents?
[05:31] <deville_75> how do i autimatically complete the filename in Terminal?
[05:31] <Omicron> me?
[05:31] <peck> CarlK, goofrider, thx
[05:31] <goofrider> Pischenberg, what do u mean test the torrents?
[05:31] <CarlK> deville_75 - tab
[05:31] <deville_75> k thx
[05:31] <Omicron> where is the seed?
[05:31] <Pischenberg> download the torrent file
[05:31] <CarlK> Pischenberg - url for the torrent?
[05:31] <forse_root> I don't have understood what is universe?I have taken the sources from amule.org...
[05:31] <Pischenberg> and try to download the iso
[05:32] <peck> and if I'm working purely from the shell, how can I manage many open windows?
[05:32] <CarlK> forse_root - that is the hard way. forget the source for now and figure out the synaptic/apt-get way
[05:32] <goofrider> Pischenberg, but what prbolem do u think it is? Bad torrent file? bad tracker?
[05:32] <peck> I mean programs
[05:32] <Pischenberg> 0 peersa
[05:32] <goofrider> Pischenberg, what/whose tracker r u using?
[05:32] <Pischenberg> 0 peers
[05:32] <yurtesen> Carlfk: sp?
[05:32] <Pischenberg> http://cdn.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/ubuntu-releases/5.04/
[05:33] <yurtesen> Carlfk: let me finish this bug report :) then I add my hardware info to there after few minutes
[05:33] <Pischenberg> the amd64 dvd version
[05:33] <deville_75> ok ive opened the MP3 with XMMS and it says: Couldnt open audio, Please CHeck that: Your soundcard is configured properly, You have the correct output plugin selected, No other program is blocking the soundcard
[05:33] <Pischenberg> ubuntu-5.04-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent
[05:33] <Omicron> audio group?
[05:33] <goofrider> Pischenberg, wait... you're not making your own torrents, you're trying to download someone else's torrent
[05:33] <deville_75> so wut do i do? i dont kno how to configure sound card
[05:34] <goofrider> Pischenberg, are there any seeds?
[05:34] <Pischenberg> do you want a screenshoot?
[05:34] <goofrider> Pischenberg, maybe their tracker is down
[05:34] <Pischenberg> 2days
[05:34] <Omicron> (seed heath: 0%)
[05:34] <goofrider> Pischenberg, use the torrents on ubuntulinux.org
[05:34] <Pischenberg> but
[05:35] <goofrider> but what? It's P2P
[05:35] <refuze2looze> i have some broken packages and whe i try to reinstall em synaptic/apt-get tell me i need to uninstall 50 packages... is there a way i can reinstall them without uninstalling those packages and see if it works?
[05:35] <Pischenberg> the dvd version is multilanguage?
[05:35] <deville_75> in the terminal it says oss_set_volume(): Failed to open mixer device
[05:35] <goofrider> it doesn't matter where the tracker is, you're stil downloading from P2P users from the whole planet
[05:35] <BehzaT> ubuntu and network -- how to ???
[05:35] <Omicron> @_@
[05:35] <Pischenberg> ok tnx goofrider
[05:36] <deville_75> anyone hav this problem before?
[05:36] <goofrider> Pischenberg, the CD is muiltilanguage, so I can only imagine the DVD should be as well
[05:36] <deville_75> or am i the only one?
[05:36] <Pischenberg> i'll try anotherone
[05:36] <goofrider> Pischenberg, use the offical torrents @ ubuntulinux.org
[05:36] <barto-kun> arg, I give up. "ifoOpenNewVTSI" error in whatever application I try.
[05:37] <Pischenberg> can you tell me the link plase?
[05:37] <goofrider> Pischenberg, if u want to look for torrents for other linux distros, try tlm-project.org
[05:37] <CarlK> Pischenberg - http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/4.10/warty-release-install-i386.iso.torrent
[05:37] <deville_75> damn, i think ill jus go back to Windows,
[05:37] <CarlK> warty?
[05:37] <goofrider> Carlfk, dude he's trying to download hoary DVD
[05:38] <Pischenberg> i would d like to download the amd64
[05:38] <Pischenberg> version
[05:38] <CarlK> yeah, I took a wrong turn somewhere
[05:38] <cyphase> what do you need to install to have java in firefox?
[05:38] <goofrider> Pischenberg, just go to ubuntulinux.org will u?
[05:38] <Pischenberg> yeah
[05:38] <deville_75> where can i get a book thatll help with sound cuz thers no use trying her
[05:38] <deville_75> here*,
[05:38] <goofrider> Pischenberg, come back if u have trouble finding the torrent, but somehow I think i can manage  :)
[05:38] <goofrider> u can mange
[05:38] <CarlK> Pischenberg - how about http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent
[05:39] <RedNeck_> Does anyone know if there is an installation guide that tell exactly how to manually partion the hard drive to install ubuntu?
[05:39] <Pischenberg> tnx again
[05:39] <Pischenberg> you're very gentle
[05:39] <CarlK> I got there from here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download
[05:39] <goofrider> Carlfk, u have to hand it to him don't u?  :)
[05:39] <hans_> is there some program for ubuntu like bulletproof ftp server?
[05:39] <deville_75> goofrider - do u kno anything about Sound?
[05:40] <goofrider> deville_75, sorry i don't. I haven't got mine to work yet either  (i don't need sound anyways sin ce this is a server)
[05:40] <deville_75> oh
[05:40] <CarlK> goofrider - sometimes it is ok to just hand out fish ;)
[05:40] <deville_75> CarlK - do u know anything about sound?
[05:40] <goofrider> Carlfk, well I have 25 tabs open in FF.
[05:40] <CarlK> deville_75 - here are some "tips" http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[05:41] <CarlK> deville_75 - but I stil have trouble too
[05:41] <deville_75> hmm, wierd that it would be so hard just to get sound
[05:41] <goofrider> deville_75, can u tell us what exactly u tried toget it to work, so we know where u'r @?
[05:41] <Pischenberg> :
[05:41] <Omicron> @ @ @ @
[05:41] <deville_75> ok
[05:41] <Pischenberg> doesn't works
[05:41] <deville_75> i installed xmmms
[05:41] <goofrider> .. .    .          .                                 .
[05:42] <deville_75> xmms*
[05:42] <goofrider> Pischenberg, hmmm.... I'll look @ it
[05:42] <deville_75> and i opened MP3s with it and it gives me this problem
[05:42] <Pischenberg> tnx
[05:42] <Omicron> what problem?
[05:42] <deville_75> ok ive opened the MP3 with XMMS and it says: Couldnt open audio, Please CHeck that: Your soundcard is configured properly, You have the correct output plugin selected, No other program is blocking the soundcard
[05:42] <Pischenberg> ubuntu-5.04-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent
[05:42] <Omicron> libXXX
[05:42] <PhantomFreak> I still haven't found out how to install J2RE
[05:43] <deville_75> and in the terminal it says:  oss_set_volume(): Failed to open mixer device
[05:43] <Omicron> download and install
[05:43] <deville_75> i hav no idea wut this means, but i think i still have to configure sound card, which i dont know how to do
[05:44] <ChinaCatJones> PF, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[05:44] <zxc> on average, how much should cpu usage be?
[05:44] <goofrider> PhantomFreak, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[05:44] <Omicron> 0 <- mine
[05:44] <Omicron> 0~1 %
[05:45] <deville_75> so no one knows how to configure sound card?
[05:45] <zxc> Omicron, is that to cpu usage?
[05:45] <Omicron> barton 2600
[05:45] <flames> ubuntu wiki has a feed?
[05:45] <Omicron> (sse 3dnow enable)
[05:45] <refuze2looze> i think i ruined my ubuntu installataion cause i installed glibc 2.3.5.. synaptic is going crazy. is there anything i can do
[05:46] <CarlK> deville_75 - in XMMS gui, figure out how to get to Options or Properites, try changing the ... um.,.. output plugin
[05:46] <webby> does Ubuntu install the proper driver for radeon 9800 pro?
[05:46] <deville_75> k
[05:46] <goofrider> doesn't ubuntu defaults to use esound not OSS?
[05:46] <zxc> any idea why flightgear lags like hell (like seriously) with 1gb of ram?
[05:46] <Pischenberg> goofrider, works for you?
[05:47] <CarlK> deville_75 - in a moment I'll open XMMS and figure out what I am trying to say ;)
[05:47] <goofrider> Pischenberg, I need to go to my windows desktop, my Azureus is installed there, I can get more info about the tracker/seeds
[05:47] <Pischenberg> you don't have bittorrent?
[05:47] <deville_75> k
[05:47] <mattgirv> Hmm I have a strange problem, it seems this morning when I started my PC, GNOME seems to be missing icons on the Applications Menu... also in a lot of programs, icons have turnt into papers with X's on them.
[05:48] <manitoba98xp> I'm using Hoary...Evolution 2.2.1.1. I'm trying to access a public LDAP server (directory.ucalgary.ca), and it works on (shudder) MS Outlook Express just fine. Evolution is telling me that the URI is incorrect or the server is unavailable, whether I request a secure connection or not. Any ideas?
[05:49] <manitoba98xp> Can anyone help me?
[05:49] <deville_75> CarlK, u ther? im looking at Preferences and thers Audio Plugins but i dont kno which one to choose
[05:49] <hans_> does any1 know how to install a lexmark allinone x74 on ubuntu?
[05:50] <forse_root> how I can use apt-get to install amule?
[05:50] <yonil> i know it has nothing to do with ubuntu, yet: where can i find the partitions of an os installed upon VMware ?
[05:51] <hybrid_goth> i hate it when this happens
[05:51] <zerokarmaleft> yonil, boot into the VM and run fdisk
[05:51] <goofrider> Pischenberg, it says 8 seeds and 18 peers
[05:51] <hybrid_goth> i just helped someone with this but when it happens to me i forget
[05:51] <hybrid_goth> grr
[05:51] <goofrider> Pischenberg, but I can't get a connection either
[05:51] <hybrid_goth> can someone help me get video playing in mplayer?
[05:51] <goofrider> Pischenberg, nor the CD ISO torrent. There are sources, just no connections....
[05:52] <yonil> zerokarmaleft, with what parameters ?
[05:52] <Pischenberg> :
[05:52] <Pischenberg> and so?
[05:52] <deville_75> y doesnt Ubuntu hav an easy way to install audio
[05:52] <deville_75> i think its ridiculous
[05:52] <g14> install audio? Audio works fine for me
[05:52] <goofrider> Pischenberg, the tracker is live as well, I can't see why it won't connect. just wait for an afternoon and see if it'lll start eventually.
[05:52] <IIIEars> deville - it's a hardware thing - hit or miss
[05:52] <yonil> he left ..
[05:53] <Pischenberg> ok i'll wait again
[05:53] <yonil> i must agree audio on linux is probablt the most annoying thing ..
[05:53] <zerokarmaleft> yonil, there are no parameters, just print the partition table
[05:53] <dcraven> Does Windows have an easy way to install audio?
[05:53] <CarlK> Pischenberg - did you want Live or Install DVD?
[05:53] <Pischenberg> install
[05:53] <claint> draven: heh
[05:53] <IIIEars> plan to bring a rabbits foot with me to buy a new mobo.
[05:53] <goofrider> CarlK, I tried the torrent, it doesn't connect (but there are peers and seeds)
[05:53] <yonil> zerokarmaleft, i run "fdisk" and it gives me "usage: ..."
[05:54] <zerokarmaleft> yonil, is it a SCSI disk or an IDE disk?
[05:54] <g14> yonil, use cfdisk
[05:54] <dcraven> Hey CarlK, I made a Newton deb :)
[05:54] <zerokarmaleft> yonil, fdisk /dev/sda if it's scsi, and fdisk /dev/hda if it's IDE
[05:55] <CarlK> on look the DVD is both
[05:55] <goofrider> yonil, use cfdisk
[05:55] <goofrider> zerokarmaleft, fdisk is dangerous
[05:55] <zerokarmaleft> yonil, vmware by default creates scsi disks
[05:55] <zerokarmaleft> goofrider, it's in a VM who cares
[05:55] <yonil> zerokarmaleft, whaaaa i didnt run in in the vm .. the vm is running windows xp :S
[05:56] <CarlK> hey dcraven -
[05:56] <goofrider> zerokarmaleft, true, if it's a virtual disk
[05:57] <yonil> im just asking how can i access the C:/ of windows xp that running upon VMware from ubuntu
[05:57] <goofrider> yonil, use Samba
[05:58] <yonil> goofrider, why, isnt it on my home partition somewhere ?
[05:58] <zerokarmaleft> yonil, if you want to transfer files b/w the two, set up a shared folder in vmware
[05:58] <hybrid_goth> yonil: use samba enable file sharing on windows then open sambe://ip/
[05:58] <yonil> thats odd ...
[05:58] <goofrider> yonil, because it's dangerous to mount the virtual disk in the host if your guest is running at the same time?
[05:59] <Shufla> hello :D
[05:59] <dcraven> CarlK: Did you ever get it to go on the panel?
[05:59] <yonil> goofrider, well i can close vmware ... the files will still be somewhere ...
[05:59] <goofrider> yonil, it'll be in a virtual disk, not a file tree
[06:00] <yonil> ah, guess ill try the network thing then ;)
[06:00] <goofrider> yonil, u are running XP as a guest OS and linux as host, right?
[06:00] <yonil> goofrider, yes
[06:00] <goofrider> yonil, if u must, u can mount the virtual disk file using loopback
[06:00] <goofrider> possibly
[06:00] <yonil> ah ill try networking first
[06:01] <goofrider> not sure if the virtual disk file is a simple disk map, if it is then a simple loopback will work
[06:01] <nalioth> windoze is more trouble than its worth
[06:01] <hybrid_goth> yes
[06:01] <goofrider> yonil, that's why we recommend u use Samba (as so does VMware)
[06:01] <IIIEars> install, connect, reinstall
[06:02] <hybrid_goth> yonil: i got a gig of music of a xp on my network with no hassle via samba
[06:02] <goofrider> nalioth, hybrid_goth and u say that after someone just spend an hr asking about how to configure sound?
[06:02] <dcraven> My bro is gonna try Ubuntu.. He's an MCSE. There's no way he'll get it to work.
[06:02] <hybrid_goth> goofrider: ?
[06:02] <hybrid_goth> dcraven: heh
[06:02] <Shufla> dcraven: why not?
[06:02] <karim> http://pastebin.com/284709 problem with base-config in chrooted environmment
[06:03] <goofrider> hybrid_goth, oh i thought u said yes in reply to nalioth
[06:03] <yonil> hybrid_goth, i got that too, im not talking about a different computer here so i tohught there might be an easier solution thats all ;p
[06:03] <dcraven> Shufla: Just a hunch.
[06:03] <dcraven> Shufla: I hope he does.
[06:03] <Shufla> dcraven: while installing put something heavy on enter... :D
[06:03] <nalioth> goofrider: i just got here, and i already know windoze is a pita
[06:03] <JDahl> my dinosaur homemachine is autochecking partitions, and the disk are full of errors. Is there a way to skip this check during boot to let me see what can be salvaged and then donate the disk to the guy living next to our dumpster?
[06:03] <Shufla> JDahl: boot in single.
[06:03] <s_yuan31tee> any gprof user here?
[06:04] <mr_JT> Hi, I'm trying to install tvtime 0.99 on ubuntu with gnome and X running at the moment, and get this
[06:04] <mr_JT> checking for X... no
[06:04] <mr_JT> configure: error: X needed and no X libraries or development headers found
[06:04] <mr_JT> how can it be?
[06:04] <goofrider> dcraven, u think MSCE are stupid? have u try troubleshooting BSODs and stuff? Or recovering from a corrupted IIS metabase?
[06:04] <JDahl> Shufla, wont that still do the autocheck? and is booting to runlevel 1 the same as booting in safe mode?
[06:04] <Shufla> mr_JT: apt-cache search xserver dev
[06:04] <hybrid_goth> goofrider: lol troubleshooting a BSOD thats got to be fun
[06:04] <mr_JT> thanks
[06:04] <Shufla> JDahl: huh. w8.
[06:04] <dcraven> goofrider: I don't think they are stupid at all, but I also know they can't fix BSOD's either.
[06:04] <Get> do the user need to be in a special group for access to usb memories?
[06:04] <Xappe> Shufla: or the Homer Sipson woodpecker on a stick method (the episode when he's extra fat and  working from home)
[06:04] <CarlK> mr_JT - I am guessing you don't have the -dev packages that let you build new stuff for X
[06:04] <nalioth> mr_JT: do you have your x dev files installed?
[06:04] <Shufla> JDahl: yes, recovery is single.
[06:05] <goofrider> dcraven, well then u have a point LOL
[06:05] <dcraven> goofrider: They *do* however, know who to cal to get it fixed.
[06:05] <CarlK> Get - no.
[06:05] <dcraven> goofrider: MCSE does, of course, stand for "Must Call Someone Else".
[06:05] <Shufla> mr_JT: x-dev package.
[06:05] <goofrider> dcraven, hahahaha
[06:05] <mr_JT> nalioth I am a bit new to linux at all, so I will try this one
[06:05] <mr_JT> then will see
[06:05] <Omicron> oh oh oh MCSE
[06:06] <Shufla> JDahl: try to boot from any livecd/rescuecd and analize the problem.
[06:06] <Omicron> value 0$
[06:06] <goofrider> JDahl, use Helix or SysresqCd. They are awecome live cd distro for recovery
[06:07] <dcraven> CarlK: http://arker.homelinux.org/~dcraven/newton_0.0.2-1ubuntu1_all.deb
[06:07] <Shufla> karim: huh. make /dev/pty* devices?
[06:07] <goofrider> dcraven, what is the Newton package?
[06:07] <s_yuan31tee> soli. any gprof user here?
[06:07] <dcraven> goofrider: Just some shit I'm writing.
[06:07] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: you causing trouble in here already?
[06:07] <mklnhki> hi, does ubuntu support hebrew?
[06:07] <dcraven> goofrider: http://arker.homelinux.org/~dcraven/newton-deps.html
[06:08] <CarlK> mklnhki - i belie it does
[06:08] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: heh not yet
[06:08] <mattgirv> Hmm I have a strange problem, it seems this morning when I started my PC, GNOME seems to be missing icons on the Applications Menu... also in a lot of programs, icons have turnt into papers with X's on them.
[06:08] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: i was leavin that to you
[06:08] <Shufla> mattgirv: create new user and check if that's system-wide or user-oriented problem.
[06:08] <karim> Shufla, I have MAKEDEV them
[06:08] <Lars_G> Hi all.
[06:08] <Lars_G> Two things
[06:08] <CarlK> how can I get gnome-termninal (the thing under apps, system tools, terminal) to automaticaly Copy whatever I select with the mounse?
[06:08] <goofrider> dcraven, anyother desktop wiki?  :-X
[06:09] <hybrid_goth> whats the best SQL on linux?
[06:09] <Lars_G> 1) Wish me luck, I'm going to try out Ubuntu.
[06:09] <goofrider> dcraven, j/k that's kewl
[06:09] <Shufla> karim: and they are there? what permissions?
[06:09] <Omicron> 2) no,thanks.
[06:09] <Lars_G> 2) Is the bittorrent tracker down? I can't seem to be able to get the iso...
[06:09] <dcraven> goofrider: There are others?
[06:09] <Lars_G> hybrid_goth: Server or client?
[06:09] <goofrider> dcraven, I was jokin
[06:09] <Lars_G> hybrid_goth: ANd for what kind of application?
[06:10] <hybrid_goth> Lars_G: client. varies. the torrent has lil seeders.
[06:10] <karim> shinu, crw-rw-rw-  1 root tty 2, 171 May 13 09:40 /dev/ptyzb
[06:10] <Lars_G> hybrid_goth: For small and medium applications, PostgreSQL, for really huge applications Oracle but it's expensive.
[06:10] <Shufla> karim: in chooroted env?
[06:10] <karim> yes
[06:10] <nalioth> Lars_G: and some of us only seed PPC variants ....
[06:10] <shinu> uh...?
[06:10] <Shufla> shinu: it was to me.
[06:10] <shinu> xD
[06:10] <goofrider> hybrid_goth, I just use mysql
[06:10] <shinu> uh... just noticed :D
[06:10] <hybrid_goth> Lars_G: ok Postdre is it free as in freedom
[06:11] <dcraven> goofrider: Ahh.. Okay. :)
[06:11] <goofrider> Lars_G, Postgresql is free, and open dev model
[06:11] <Lars_G> hybrid_goth: Graphical client? currently there is no free do-it-all good client, either get a client specific to your database (MysqlCC for mysql, PgAdmin III for PostgreSQL) or get a shareware Java client, DbVisualizer (google for it) is very good, and the free version is very usseable.
[06:11] <goofrider> I meant hybrid_goth
[06:11] <Shufla> hybrid_goth: and check druid (in java) SQL visualization.
[06:12] <hybrid_goth> Lars_G: CLI will be fine
[06:12] <Lars_G> Another good client for MySQL databases is PhpMyAdmin, free and pretty able.
[06:12] <hybrid_goth> Shufla: i dont have java
[06:12] <nevyn> hrm
[06:12] <goofrider> hybrid_goth, but is there a reason u don't want to use mysql? (it has problems but it's easy and lots of supprto)
[06:12] <Shufla> hybrid_goth: get it.
[06:12] <Lars_G> hybrid_goth: Ok, then if you want a database, try ProgreSQL, it's more feature-advanced than mysql.
[06:12] <hybrid_goth> goofrider: i was getting a survey
[06:12] <goofrider> ok
[06:12] <CarlK> what is a "good client" for SQL?  I would think "it works" is as good as it will get
[06:12] <Lars_G> goofrider: PostgreSQL is as easy and supported as MySQL and has better features.
[06:12] <Shufla> huh. PgSQL is more SQL-standard compilant than MySQL.
[06:12] <hybrid_goth> Shufla: i dont feel like config it . <-- ppc
[06:13] <CarlK> but I think I am not understanding "client"
[06:13] <goofrider> hybrid_goth, that's kinda why I use mysql as well, lot of GUI clients (mysqlcc, mysqladmin, mysqvnav, mysqlfront-win32)
[06:13] <Lars_G> CarlK: No, I think hybrid_goth doesn't understands "client"
[06:13] <nevyn> Shufla: umm is PgSQL acid?
[06:13] <anto9us> CarlK: you mean admin client or user interface client?
[06:13] <Lars_G> goofrider: PgAdmin III is a great GUI client for PgSQL
[06:13] <goofrider> Shufla, sure of course. but mysql is easy and lots of support
[06:13] <Shufla> nevyn: acid?
[06:13] <goofrider> Lars_G, I'll check it out
[06:13] <CarlK> anto9us - i mean what I am reading here ;)
[06:13] <Lars_G> goofrider: PgSQL is easy too, and has lots of support as well
[06:13] <nevyn> ACID compliant
[06:14] <Lars_G> nevyn: I am not sure, I can check out
[06:14] <nevyn> it's a SQL functionality set.
[06:14] <nevyn> mysql is but not with MyISAM only with INNODB
[06:14] <goofrider> Lars_G, not as well as mysql. U know that. Let ppl make there own choice  :)
[06:14] <nevyn> MyISAM is still the default :(
[06:14] <nalioth> blood powered fuel cell (for use in artificial hearts) yummmy
[06:14] <Shufla> nevyn: do not know.
[06:14] <Lars_G> goofrider: No, I don't know that since I do not beleive it to be true, PgSQL has as good as support and install as MySQL.
[06:14] <anto9us> pgaccess is also a very good frontend to postgresql
[06:15] <CarlK> from what I have seen, mySQL and pgSQL are pretty much tied for "better" - it depends on your needs which you should use
[06:15] <anto9us> only problem with pgaccess is you have to make sure all your objects are named in lower-case in postgresql
[06:15] <Lars_G> anto9us: Yes, but us Lazy Sods like PgAdmin III since it knows Pg in and out and helps you with forms for everything.. it saves typing and looking at docs.
[06:15] <CarlK> so if you don't know, flip a coin - chances are which ever you pick will work just fine
[06:16] <anto9us> Lars_G: me too, pgaccess has form and report funcionality too
[06:16] <Shufla> hybrid_goth: i don't know if it help you: http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java2-status/jdk1.2-status.html#ppc
[06:16] <goofrider> Lars_G, have u try SAP DB? SAP gave SAP DB to mysql a couple years ago and open sourced it
[06:16] <hypa7ia> postgres scales bette
[06:16] <Lars_G> Btw to the one who asked if Pg is ACID, yes, it is and has been for long.
[06:16] <hybrid_goth> Shufla: ok ty
[06:16] <nevyn> ok
[06:16] <goofrider> hypa7ia, oh I do not dispute that postgresql is architeturally superior to mysql
[06:17] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[06:17] <Shufla> flamewar warning :D
[06:17] <CarlK> if you are looking for an app development framwork - checkout http://dabodev.com/wiki/LiveCDDaboDemo
[06:17] <nevyn> hrm mysql has some neat tricks tho
[06:17] <goofrider> hybrid_goth, u need PPC Java?
[06:17] <goofrider> hybrid_goth, use IBM's Linux JDK for PPC
[06:17] <goofrider> it's @ 1.4.2
[06:17] <goofrider> it's @ 1.4.3
[06:17] <hypa7ia> and there are some political issues with mysql ab that are unresloved
[06:18] <FX|Laptop> I was wondering if anyone in here has vmware running windows?
[06:18] <nevyn> hypa7ia: the php thing is a pita.
[06:18] <Lars_G> So nobody's seeding i386? bah I'll ftp it then
[06:18] <FX|Laptop> I have it running and it runs good, just wondering how it would run a game.
[06:18] <goofrider> mysql's license and dev model can be questionable to some ppl
[06:18] <hypa7ia> FX|Laptop: wouldn't bother.
[06:19] <Shufla> all the license stuff depends on country where do you live in, isn't it? :D
[06:19] <Jormundgand> The Firefox extensions website doesn't like 1.0.4 even though I installed it from backports-staging.
[06:19] <hypa7ia> with mysql, no, it's more that their definition of "distribute" is most people's of "use"
[06:19] <Lars_G> You guys hate me
[06:19] <nevyn> postgres's requirement to vacume sucks tho.
[06:19] <KarlosII> why is the scurity update for firefox delayed entering the ubuntu repository?
[06:19] <opearce> FX|Laptop, I do, but I don't use it for games, just for QuickBooks
[06:19] <goofrider> Shufla, licenses are usually universal. Only dispute reolution varies depending on your juridiction
[06:19] <nevyn> hypa7ia: ?
[06:19] <hypa7ia> then again i'll state my bias that i've heard all this from a pg dev :-)
[06:19] <KarlosII> why is the security update for firefox delayed entering the ubuntu repository?
[06:20] <nevyn> hypa7ia: I don't think so. there's some issues relating to services. particularly with modified mysql but that's stuff that's generally problematic for free software.
[06:21] <hypa7ia> let me find a copy of the discussion, it was on our local LUG list
[06:21] <goofrider> hypa7ia, but in any ase, mysql is bona fide GPL. So if they change their license to a point of unacceptable, ppl can still fork it as GPL and move on
[06:21] <hypa7ia> goofrider: true :-)
[06:21] <goofrider> hypa7ia, personally, I don't care if the current license is questionable as long as we can fork it
[06:21] <Jormundgand> KarlosII: Because for some reason the Ubuntu people would rather extract the security updates and then not increment the version number than just put up the whole 1.0.4 release in a package.
[06:22] <goofrider> hypa7ia, look at what happen to xfree86
[06:22] <goofrider> just that is GPL/MIT/BSD now doesn't mean it'll always be ither
[06:22] <KarlosII> Jormundgand, gah
[06:22] <e-guru> Does anybody know why KDE su commands fail all the time even when I enter the root password? (yes I set a root password and I can become root with the su command)
[06:22] <Seveas> kdesu == sudo iirc
[06:23] <goofrider> the bazaar dev model is more important that merely an open source license, IMHO
[06:23] <Shufla> why do you set up root password in ubuntu? is there anything which cannot be done _without_ root password?
[06:23] <e-guru> Seveas: I mean when kde wants to add suid to something for example, it asks for root password
[06:23] <Seveas> Shufla, no :)
[06:24] <goofrider> Shufla, many KDE packages uses kdesu
[06:24] <hypa7ia> goofrider: i agree.  but as i understand it mysql ab is not being so supportive of it
[06:25] <goofrider> hypa7ia, they're not being supportive of what? the bazaar model? hell, they're the poster child of catherderal open source
[06:25] <e-guru> I was just wondering why kde is not able to function with the root password I have set?
[06:25] <Seveas> e-guru, warty or hoary?
[06:27] <KarlosII> crap the repositories are slow
[06:27] <KarlosII> 6879 b/s
[06:27] <KarlosII> err
[06:27] <nevyn> Shufla: while I agree with the sentiment.. when useing ubuntu as a normal distribution and not using all the stuff that's been "fixed" by the ubuntu team it's sometimes nessicary to have a root password.
[06:27] <e-guru> Seveas: hoary, but I already found the problem from auth.log
[06:27] <e-guru> May 15 19:21:55 localhost sudo: yurtesen : user NOT in sudoers ; TTY=pts/7 ; PWD=/home/yurtesen ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/kdesu_stub -
[06:27] <goofrider> KarlosII, yeah they'll be kinda slow this weekend
[06:27] <nevyn> Shufla: the sudo integration in ubuntu is.. while admirable not.. complete.
[06:27] <KarlosII> may i ask why?
[06:27] <JDahl> how can I mount a usb drive from runlevel 1? probably usb support hasnt been properly initialized, and I want to backup whatever I can while I have the chance
[06:28] <Seveas> e-guru, only the user created when installing has sudo rights
[06:28] <KarlosII> you know a bt model might be better for  ubuntu pacakge distirbution :)
[06:28] <Seveas> you can add other users by adding them to the admin group
[06:28] <Drako60> qwerty is default US keyboard layout right?
[06:28] <Seveas> Drako60, yes
[06:28] <e-guru> Seveas: I have created root and yurtesen users in install time (I used expert install)
[06:28] <goofrider> JDahl, the mount cmd works at runlevel 1 just fine
[06:29] <Xappe> a friend of mine is trying to connect to a laptop running the live ubuntu from windows with putty, but all he's getting is "access denied". any clues?
[06:29] <Seveas> e-guru, hmm
[06:29] <e-guru> Seveas: adm:x:4:yurtesen
[06:29] <Shufla> nevyn: but i belive that sudo-like ubuntu philosophy should be unchanged (i can't say it in english, sorry)
[06:29] <JDahl> goofrider, the usb drive is not created as any device...
[06:29] <e-guru> Seveas: yurtesen is in admin group, I wonder if there should be anthing in /etc/sudoers file?
[06:29] <Seveas> is yurtesen UID 1000?
[06:29] <goofrider> JDahl, not even as /dev/sda1?
[06:30] <e-guru> uid=1000(yurtesen) gid=1000(yurtesen) groups=1000(yurtesen),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),107(lpadmin),108(scanner)
[06:30] <Drako60> how can i setup my keyboard to use dovark?
[06:30] <JDahl> goofrider, nope... that's why I think that usb is not initialized... dmesg didnt even show anything after I plugged in the drive
[06:30] <hypa7ia> Shufla: i think it's a really good one for newbie users, and is trivially easy to change for ones who want it changed
[06:30] <goofrider> e-guru, if he's in admin group, he can sudo automatically
[06:30] <goofrider> e-guru, i wonder what else can be the problem
[06:30] <Seveas> goofrider, well, it appears he cannot
[06:30] <Seveas> but it might be that KDESU has that bug
[06:31] <Seveas> e-guru, does sudo from a terminal work?
[06:31] <FX|Laptop> So what is all backported and where do I find the links to put into my apt.
[06:31] <e-guru> goofrider: can it be the sudoers file?
[06:31] <goofrider> JDahl, hmmm.. and hotplug is avail @ runlevel 1 as well AFAIK
[06:31] <Seveas> e-guru, it's possible, but try a normal sudo please
[06:31] <e-guru> I see in auth.log -> May 15 19:21:55 localhost sudo: yurtesen : user NOT in sudoers ; TTY=pts/7 ; PWD=/home/yurtesen ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/kdesu_stub -
[06:31] <goofrider> e-guru, did he log out and log back it after being added to the admin group?
[06:31] <bitsmash> hey...what happened to this? http://www.google.com/firefox/
[06:31] <FX|Laptop> I did a search on the board for "backports" and it really doesn't say much. From what I'm reading anyways.
[06:31] <Jormundgand> FX: Google it.
[06:31] <Seveas> USER=root ..?
[06:32] <e-guru> goofrider: the user was always in admin group since the install... I didnt add it later...it was added before the first boot...
[06:32] <goofrider> FX|Laptop, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org
[06:32] <FX|Laptop> goofrider, thanks and I did google it. What do you know. first link. :D
[06:32] <bitsmash> i like the firefox start page
[06:32] <goofrider> e-guru, but sudo works in cmdline
[06:32] <KarlosII> why doesn't realplayer 10 plugins work in ff when I install the realplay and try to play .ra files on my ubuntu box?
[06:32] <goofrider> ???
[06:32] <Shufla> hypa7ia: hm. i was wondering as for semi-power-user (as I am) what is better - sudo or su. don't know yet what's is better (more secure, etc), but i'm using sudo. there are some problems (like | pipes, etc). and sudo will give me shell (-H) and _unbreakable_ root password :D
[06:32] <Seveas> sudo is safer
[06:33] <e-guru> Seveas: I tried sudo passwd and result is -> yurtesen is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[06:33] <Seveas> and a solution for a pipe: | tee
[06:33] <Seveas> and a solution for a pipe: | sudo tee
[06:33] <bitsmash> oh nm i found it
[06:33] <Shufla> Seveas: indeed.
[06:33] <KarlosII> ?
[06:33] <e-guru> goofrider: can anybody give an idea about what shoudl be in /etc/sudoers file?
[06:33] <Seveas> e-guru, odd, is yurtesen / adm / neither in sudoers?
[06:34] <hypa7ia> e-guru: is the account you are trying to sudo with not the first one created on install?
[06:34] <e-guru> Seveas: no, only default and root
[06:34] <goofrider> e-guru, that's weird. use visudo and see if the admin group is missing
[06:34] <Seveas> e-guru, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/39 <== my sudoers
[06:34] <Seveas> but i do not have the admin group, only my UID
[06:34] <e-guru> :) yes, root was created first, then it asked me if I want to create an account...
[06:34] <goofrider> e-guru, I think http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo should have the details
[06:34] <e-guru> Seveas: I dont have similar line to dennis
[06:35] <e-guru> Seveas: that must be the problem, I am going to fix this...thanks
[06:35] <Seveas> e-guru, well, then you should add it for yurtesen i guess
[06:35] <goofrider> e-guru, the ubuntu installer should NOT have asked u to create a root acct
[06:35] <goofrider> or password
[06:35] <e-guru> goofrider: it asked in expert mode
[06:35] <goofrider> e-guru, OH
[06:35] <e-guru> goofrider: it asked for root password only
[06:36] <e-guru> goofrider: I guess the root password should always be there anyway, only that normal install doesnt set a password
[06:36] <goofrider> e-guru, expert mode must have not configure sudoers properly
[06:36] <goofrider> e-guru, no root password should not always be there
[06:36] <e-guru> goofrider: right, I added -> yurtesen        ALL=(ALL) ALL
[06:36] <goofrider> e-guru, because it'll be the weakest link in your password chain
[06:36] <e-guru> to sudoers and everything works now in kde
[06:37] <e-guru> goofrider: what will be the weakest link?
[06:37] <goofrider> e-guru, a root password
[06:37] <e-guru> goofrider: what I meant that root password was probably disabled
[06:37] <Jormundgand> If a cracker tries to get at your Linux install they KNOW you'll have a root acct. If there's no root they're stuck.
[06:38] <e-guru> goofrider: do you know why sudo is more secure?
[06:38] <IIIEars> root passwords are a weakenss but, Don't most exploits use bufferoverflows?
[06:38] <goofrider> e-guru,  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSud
[06:38] <goofrider> e-guru,  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:38] <Seveas> IIIEars, exploits do, crackers use other things too :)
[06:38] <goofrider> e-guru, it practically removes the root account from all user operations, so hackers have a lot less options to penetrate
[06:39] <goofrider> Seveas, right
[06:39] <e-guru> goofrider: what is the point of using sudo, when one has your normal user account they can sudo passwd and set a user password in few seconds and also enter as root too?
[06:39] <stuNNed> ok the gamin bug is pretty bad in hoary
[06:39] <goofrider> IIIEars, that's the point, buferoverflow expolits works because it tries to execute arbituary code and gain root access. if there's no root acct, it won't work
[06:40] <IIIEars> i am really new to this but it seems linux needs an audit system for file integrity.
[06:40] <Jimmothy> my mp3s play fine but for no reason my video files (mp3, avi) no longer output sound. any help?
[06:40] <goofrider> e-guru, beucase they have to guess your username and password combo
[06:40] <Seveas> e-guru, crackers KNOW that there exists an account named root
[06:40] <Seveas> they don;t know your username
[06:40] <e-guru> goofrider: there is always a root account, only its password is disabled
[06:40] <nevyn> IIIEars: we have several
[06:40] <Seveas> small hurdle, but it's one more step
[06:40] <nevyn> IIIEars: you mean like to check if files have been modified?
[06:41] <goofrider> e-guru, I basically meantr interactive root
[06:41] <goofrider> or root shell
[06:41] <IIIEars> yes!
[06:41] <goofrider> or whatever
[06:41] <nevyn> IIIEars: have a look at tripwire.
[06:41] <goofrider> u knew what I meant, stop picking on technicality  :)
[06:41] <Seveas> :o)
[06:41] <Lafitte-> goofrider,  do you know what device name a usb palm would have ?
[06:41] <forse_root> i need to install "apt-cache", but if i write "apt-get install apt-cache" it answers "apt-cache not found"
[06:41] <xzgv> hi all, is GRUB the default bootloader?
[06:41] <IIIEars> tripwire is good
[06:41] <goofrider> nevyn, I use logcheck. Is tripwire better?
[06:41] <IIIEars> LIDS is good
[06:41] <Shufla> bye bye :D
[06:41] <nevyn> IIIEars: this is the one thing RPM does better than dpkg.
[06:41] <Seveas> forse_root, apt-cache is installed by default..
[06:41] <e-guru> goofrider: ok sure, but I can always disable root access from remote locations and only people who are in root group can access to root account. I am new to linux but this is the concept in FreeBSD for example. So people cant run brute force attacks on root accounts from remote locations etc.
[06:41] <nevyn> goofrider: different I think
[06:42] <goofrider> forse_root, apt-cache is already installed
[06:42] <nevyn> logcheck is a log scanner I thought
[06:42] <goofrider> e-guru, don't use root group, it's bad habit
[06:42] <nevyn> goofrider: checkwire stores a md5 of all binaries on the system and can verify against a master list
[06:43] <goofrider> nevyn, oh ok. i should install it.
[06:43] <Seveas> sounds like what tiny firewall (windows prog) does
[06:43] <FX|Laptop> I'm sure this has been said before, but I really wish that the firefox/gaim/xchat updates would be put in the reg. apt sources for reg. updates.
[06:43] <KarlosII> xzgv, yes
[06:43] <IIIEars> nevyn - can it replace altered files without user input?
[06:43] <goofrider> IIIEars, don't forget chkrootkit  :)
[06:43] <Seveas> FX|Laptop, for FF they are
[06:43] <nevyn> goofrider: it's kinda a pain to configure but it's sorta neat.
[06:43] <e-guru> goofrider: anyow, I think this discussion is pointless because everybody has different preferences and sometimes one is not better than another. But thanks for helping with the sudo problem of mine.
[06:43] <nevyn> IIIEars: don't think so.
[06:43] <Lafitte-> anyone can tell me how to see what port a usb palm pilot ios connected too ?
[06:43] <Seveas> FX|Laptop, for the others: they are not security updates, so why bother with a 6 month release schedule
[06:43] <nevyn> e-guru: sudo is the correct answer.
[06:43] <stuNNed> btw why isn't rkhunter available?
[06:43] <Seveas> if you want the bleeding edge, go gentoo
[06:43] <nevyn> even microsoft know this.
[06:43] <IIIEars> chkrootkit - was there a link for that on sysinternal.com?
[06:43] <FX|Laptop> yea thats true
[06:44] <e-guru> nevyn: but why?
[06:44] <brandon__> just run the following command on the terminal
[06:44] <brandon__> sudo root passwd
[06:44] <FX|Laptop> 1 hr to go on the gaim download update. lol
[06:44] <bitsmash> http://www.eyetricks.com/jesus.htm
[06:44] <IIIEars> I appreciate the tips. :)
[06:44] <goofrider> e-guru, by know meansI think my way (or the default way) works for u, but I'm just saying those are the conventiions usually and conventions are used usually for good reasons
[06:44] <goofrider> :)
[06:45] <goofrider> e-guru, it's your system do what u want  :)
[06:45] <nevyn> e-guru: there are a bunch of reasons. primarily that you no longer have a whole bunch of systems where there's a known administrator account...
[06:45] <Edgan> FX|Laptop: yeah, those would be nice, though at least for now firefox is the important one of those three
[06:45] <goofrider> brandon__, i think it's sudo passwd root
[06:46] <FX|Laptop> any reason why its such a slow download for them?
[06:46] <Seveas> Edgan, FF updates ARE in the repository...
[06:46] <Seveas> FX|Laptop, backports?
[06:46] <FX|Laptop> ye
[06:46] <FX|Laptop> a
[06:46] <Seveas> backports suck
[06:46] <Edgan> Seveas: Not surprised
[06:46] <goofrider> backports is aleays overloaded
[06:46] <xzgv> KarlosII, thanks, buddy
[06:46] <nevyn> sigh.. sleep...
[06:46] <Seveas> and they are nothing but evil
[06:47] <Seveas> I'd rather install from source into /usr/local
[06:47] <e-guru> nevyn: what can a person do if they know my administrator account name is root if they cant become root because 1 - they are not at console and they cant connect with ssh and other applications as root 2 - they cant become root with a normal user account because they are not in root group.
[06:47] <Edgan> Seveas: Why evil? I think the idea is great. Just wish they were truly for ubuntu. If I read right, they are for Debian and often don't work for Ubuntu.
[06:47] <IIIEars> there is nothing quite as frustrating as OS unique bugs. - lol
[06:47] <Lafitte-> anyone what is command to scan for hardware devices ?
[06:48] <Seveas> Edgan, you mean backports.ubuntuforums.org right?
[06:48] <e-guru> goofrider: right, but I just wanted to see if there is a clear advantage of not having a root password...
[06:48] <Seveas> they are evil because they tend to break things on upgrade
[06:48] <FX|Laptop> lspci isn't it for the hardware stuff?
[06:48] <Lafitte-> FX|Laptop,  yes  thanks
[06:48] <Edgan> Seveas: Hmm, guess I got repos mixed up
[06:48] <goofrider> Edgan, ubuntu backports are compiled for ubuntu
[06:48] <Seveas> lspci/lshw/lshal
[06:48] <IIIEars> lol - did you really mean "tend" - grin
[06:48] <stuNNed> goofrider: do you use ubuntu backports?
[06:49] <Seveas> e-guru, have you read the RootSudo wikipage? it losts pros and cons of su and sudo
[06:49] <Edgan> Seveas: The need for backports shows a lacking in Ubuntu.
[06:49] <goofrider> e-guru, then why don't u just stick with sudo for a couple months and see if there's ANY advantage for u???
[06:49] <Seveas> Edgan, no, just a lacking in peoples minds
[06:49] <goofrider> e-guru, if u think it's more hassle than it's worth, passwd root
[06:49] <goofrider> :)
[06:49] <JDahl> this gave me abit of a scare... I had all the pictures of my newborn son on that partition, but I managed to get them of the disk, and my wife didnt appreciate the "but honey, all the inodes are wrong! we can always take new pictures..." When the boot process stops because of unrecoverable disk errors, you're not in runlvl 1 I learned; that's why nothing was initialized and I couldn't mount my usb drive. Anyone wants to buy an alm
[06:49] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: i pm'ed you
[06:49] <g14> e-guru there is another way to make it just like you are root (run sudo transparently)
[06:49] <hybrid_goth> 4^back
[06:49] <bosterita> hello
[06:50] <Lafitte-> FX|Laptop, im trying to figure out what i set this software too to sync with my palm pilot    but so far  no dice
[06:50] <Edgan> goofrider: The problem with Ubuntu's sudo setup is you can't cleanly opt out. The menus depend on it.
[06:50] <IIIEars> JDahl - two words "Helix Linux"
[06:50] <Seveas> Edgan, and that's a good thing, not a problem :)
[06:50] <goofrider> Edgan, ln -sf /usr/bin/gksu /usr/bin/gtksudo
[06:50] <refuze2looze> i have manually installed libc6 2.3.5 and it messed up a bunch of stuff so now i want to downgrade back to 2.3.2, the version that comes with hoary and that appears in apt-get. how can i do this? apt-get won't allow me to do it
[06:50] <Seveas> goofrider, they are symlinks already :)
[06:50] <Edgan> goofrider: What does that change?
[06:51] <Seveas> the program behaves differently depending on the names it's called with ;()
[06:51] <Seveas> ;)
[06:51] <e-guru> goofrider: If I had server, I might need to connect it to from public places, from windows machines etc. if my normal user account had sudo rights then somebody who get my password can become root in my machine. However I do not need to become root everytime I enter to the server. So if I am at a location where I am not certain of the security then I do not have to become root.
[06:51] <goofrider> Seveas, oh, hahahahaha
[06:51] <g14> e-guru: Open up ~/.bashrc and add aliases example: alias apt-get="sudo /usr/bin/apt-get"
[06:51] <stuNNed> who uses ubuntu backports?  i don't want to go to the dark side lol
[06:52] <IIIEars> lol
[06:52] <goofrider> e-guru, well technically if they can cache your uid/pwd, then they can cache your root pwd as well
[06:52] <Seveas> stuNNed, backports are evil
[06:52] <Edgan> Seveas: I would prefer not to use sudo. Using the same password for system level stuff is worse than using root. If I take my normal user out of the sudo group then the menu items break.
[06:52] <e-guru> Seveas: I read the page, and it clearly says
[06:52] <e-guru> Having a separate root password (the traditional model) provides an extra layer of protection if an administrative user's password is compromised
[06:52] <goofrider> e-guru, and it's much safer to SSH using pvt key (via ssh-agent)
[06:52] <Seveas> Edgan, you can make a script called gksudo that calls gksu and put it earlier in your path
[06:53] <nevyn> e-guru: you shouldn't be using password authentication for remote logins if you're serious about security anyway
[06:53] <forse_root> exists a firewall integrated in kubuntu?
[06:53] <hybrid_goth> stuNNed: yes evil like redmond evil
[06:53] <nevyn> forse_root: iptables there is.. yes.
[06:53] <Seveas> stuNNed, backports are known to wreak havoc sometimes when upgrading
[06:53] <xMaximex_> is there a limewire or bearshare client for linu ?
[06:53] <Jormundgand> stuNNed: I use backports. I prefer to stay uptodate rather than staying on last century's version number with ONLY security updates crudely grafted in.
[06:53] <Edgan> Seveas: Should be a standard package to do that, though it doesn't sound hard.
[06:53] <IIIEars> forse_root - from what i understand yes it does
[06:54] <g14> xMaximex_: gtk-gnutella
[06:54] <Seveas> Jormundgand, there is nothing crudely about that
[06:54] <goofrider> e-guru, u'r right about the extra layer, but the fact is that the extra layer that we need to put in is usually belong to somewhere else (like SSH)
[06:54] <IIIEars> Contorl freak that i am i added shorewall anyway
[06:54] <xMaximex_> g14: its limewire or bearshare ?
[06:54] <goofrider> e-guru, sudo enforce a more sensible secuirty policy
[06:54] <stuNNed> hybrid_goth: what is redmond evil?
[06:54] <VedumNocte> m$
[06:54] <e-guru> goofrider: the text was from ubuntu web page, the guy who wrote is probably right :) http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:55] <Jormundgand> Seveas: Here's how I see it. The updates were meant for version X, not version X-5. So if you want X's updates you install X, not graft X's updates into X-5.
[06:55] <IIIEars> my spelling made configuring shorewall - erm "interesting
[06:55] <g14> xMaximex_, Limewire and bearshare are BOTH gnutella network clients. They work just the same as gtk-gnutella
[06:55] <hybrid_goth> stuNNed: redmond wa.? home of M$
[06:55] <goofrider> e-guru, sudo will force u to do inconvinient things to get around its limitations. But it's because those are the RIGHT thing to do
[06:55] <Seveas> Jormundgand, nonsense...
[06:55] <Jormundgand> Besides, backports gets real 1.0.4 before the main repos.
[06:56] <Seveas> Jormundgand, 1.0.4 will never be in hoary, but the fixes will be.
[06:56] <stuNNed> hybrid_goth: lol, i doubt they are really that *evil* in the pure evil sense of the word
[06:56] <Seveas> If you want all programs upgraded, you need a much larger maintainer team
[06:56] <Seveas> for a ridiculous reason, given that ubuntu has a 6 month release cycle
[06:56] <goofrider> e-guru, just like my example, if u needed an extra layer of remote security, using SSH private key. That layer belongs to SSH not root PAM
[06:56] <hybrid_goth> stuNNed: heh
[06:57] <Jormundgand> I'm not waiting six months to get the latest and most secure version of anything. You can't transplant security fixes from one version into two versions back. You install the latest and get everything that comes with it.
[06:57] <webby> I like to have an app, but it's available in source only
[06:57] <kestas> how do you tell programs where to load shared objects (.so) from?
[06:57] <e-guru> goofrider: yeah well, I think everybody is right about this subject depending on the situation
[06:57] <webby> does some one like to build a .deb ?
[06:57] <kestas> I thought it was ld.conf
[06:57] <kestas> but that hasnt worked
[06:57] <Seveas> Jormundgand, SECURITY fixes ARE applied
[06:57] <Edgan> The funny thing about brute force attacks is Ubuntu doesn't install sshd by default.
[06:57] <samuel_> sup all
[06:57] <Seveas> new features (read: new bugs) are not
[06:57] <goldfish> Edgan: :)
[06:57] <e-guru> goofrider: I will go and try suspend etc. in my laptop
[06:57] <samuel_> anyone know what format the /var/mail/inbox is? is it mbox?
[06:57] <Jormundgand> Seveas: Except they're fixes for 1.0.4, not 1.0.2. I want 1.0.4, not 1.0.4-with-fixes-from-a year-ahead.
[06:57] <goofrider> e-guru, just like I said, use sudo for a while and change it back if u think it's uselss for u
[06:58] <stuNNed> Seveas: is the gamin bug considered new?
[06:58] <webby> I like to have an app, but it's available in source only. does some one like to build a .deb ?
[06:58] <Jormundgand> In other words, stay living five years ago but make sure that five years ago is impenetrable.
[06:58] <Seveas> Jormundgand, fixes for 1.0.4 will be applied IF they apply to 1.0.2 too
[06:58] <anang> anyone install coldfusion on ubuntu ?
[06:58] <stuNNed> webby: you can build a deb with it
[06:58] <xMaximex_> g14: so if i search with gnutella, it search on both limewire and bearshare network ?
[06:58] <Seveas> Jormundgand, 5 years is nonsense
[06:58] <webby> I don't know how
[06:58] <goofrider> e-guru, sudo really sounds counter-inituitve to tradtional sysadmin philosophies until u use it for a while,
[06:58] <Seveas> 6 months
[06:58] <forse_root> iptables has one graphical interface?
[06:58] <anang> anyone install coldfusion on ubuntu ?
[06:58] <Jormundgand> Seveas, six months is a long time in terms of upgrades.
[06:59] <kestas> hey, anyone know how to specify where .so's can be found?
[06:59] <Seveas> Jormundgand, why?
[06:59] <Jormundgand> When Hoary was released Firefox was at 1.0.2. Now it's at 1.0.4 and we're two versions behind.
[06:59] <dcraven> CarlK: I'm not sure dpkg resolves dependancy issues. You may need apt for that.
[06:59] <Seveas> so far you've lived without feature X, so six months wont hurt
[06:59] <Di42lo> I'v installed with apt-get a new kernel on my ubuntu and i got kernel panic...how to fix that ?
[06:59] <anang> I cannot get coldfusion to autostart
[06:59] <Jormundgand> "Port" all the security updates you want, but it's still labelled as 1.0.2.
[06:59] <Seveas> security fixes will be applied
[06:59] <goofrider> Jormundgand, those 2 point releases since 1.0.2 are all just security fixes, not new features
[06:59] <IIIEars> no GUI for IPTABLES - there are many good samples posted to the net
[06:59] <anang> I tried cp cfmx-init.sh to /etc/init.d
[07:00] <Seveas> Jormundgand, security is more important than being on the bleeding edge
[07:00] <webby> stuNNed, how do I do that?
[07:00] <stuNNed> IIIEars: firestarter is
[07:00] <Jormundgand> Not when there is zero chance of being attacked.
[07:00] <Seveas> if you think otherwise, you're more of a gentoo person :)
[07:00] <stuNNed> IIIEars: oh sorry
[07:00] <goofrider> Jormundgand, would it make u feel better if I tel u how to rename firefox to 1.0.4 in your system/.
[07:00] <Seveas> Jormundgand, but there is a good chance of having new bugs...
[07:00] <stuNNed> webby: with google?
[07:00] <Jormundgand> NTL put up ridiculous amounts of security. You couldn't get to my system if you tried.
[07:00] <Di42lo> How can load another kernel with the ubuntu cd-rom ?
[07:00] <e-guru> goofrider: it is probably useful if you would want one user to access certain commands with root privileges only... but thats not the case for me, so it is not very useful :) I will try suspend/standby etc. now...thanks for the info...
[07:01] <Seveas> Jormundgand, it's not about that at all
[07:01] <IIIEars> stuNNed - Firestarter - it just wasn't easy enough - wide grin
[07:01] <g14> xMaximex_, More correctly, if you search with limewire or bearshare, you are searching the gnutella network
[07:01] <refuze2looze> oh shit.. i can't start any programs.. i'm getting "relocation error: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: symbol_dl_starting_up, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference" any program that i try to run.. i fear if i restart my computer it will never boot what should i do
[07:01] <Seveas> it's about not wanting to introduce new bugs, which can cause security leaks
[07:01] <Seveas> refuze2looze, instaled a new glibc?
[07:01] <Di42lo> I'v installed with apt-get a new kernel on my ubuntu and i got kernel panic...how to fix that ?
[07:01] <Jormundgand> I highly doubt Mozilla will release anything with bugs in it, and even if they do it'll be fixed before you can say "antidisestablishmentarianism".
[07:01] <anang> hello ??
[07:01] <g14> refuze2looze, dust off your install cd?
[07:01] <Seveas> ROFL!!
[07:01] <anang> Coldfusion on UBUNTU, anyone ?
[07:02] <Seveas> Jormundgand, FF 1.0 was buggy beyond repair
[07:02] <refuze2looze> Seveas: i'm afraid so, and it messed up a lot of stuff so i downgraded back to the ubuntu version. and now this..
[07:02] <Seveas> ubuntu even downgraded!
[07:02] <Seveas> i warned you about that, you broke your system beyond repair...
[07:02] <Seveas> (last one was for refuze2looze)
[07:02] <IIIEars> Di42lo - make an entry in grub to boot from your old kernel?
[07:02] <Thirsteh> Is it possible to stop all those Evolution services from starting? They use over 200megs of RAM and I'm not even using Evolution!
[07:02] <alisonc> hi, I installed reaplayer (using the 5.04 Ubuntu guide) but realplayer does not work unless I disabled the 'sound server'-can someone please tell me how to uninstall realplayer?  thank you
[07:02] <VedumNocte> well now he can refuse to reinstall he he
[07:02] <refuze2looze> Seveas: so i have to reinstall ubuntu now?
[07:02] <Seveas> Thirsteh, please don't confuse shared mem with actual mem :)
[07:03] <VedumNocte> ah fake debian users
[07:03] <Seveas> refuze2looze, well, try rebooting
[07:03] <VedumNocte> gotta love it
[07:03] <Thirsteh> Seveas, whatever the hell it is, how do I do it?
[07:03] <g14> Thirsteh: try thunderbird. It's more lightweight
[07:03] <Seveas> if that fails, reinstall
[07:03] <anang> guess there is no use asking ?
[07:03] <Thirsteh> Doh.. I'm not looking for an email program
[07:03] <goofrider> refuze2looze, how did u ended up downgrading your system?
[07:03] <Thirsteh> I'm saying I don't even use it
[07:03] <Thirsteh> And I never have
[07:03] <e-guru> one question, how do I get identified in this irc server -> [20:02]  [515]  #FreeBSD You need to be identified to join that channel
[07:03] <Thirsteh> But all its services are running
[07:03] <Seveas> Thirsteh, i believe you found memory usage with top?
[07:03] <Thirsteh> e-guru, /msg chanserv help
[07:03] <lexmarvs> alguna persona q hable espannol
[07:04] <lexmarvs> necesito ayuda
[07:04] <Seveas> lexmarvs, #ubuntu-es
[07:04] <Thirsteh> Seveas, can you tell me how to stop them from starting or are you just going to mock me?
[07:04] <lexmarvs> espannol
[07:04] <refuze2looze> goofrider: i installed a newer version of glibc, it led to serious ass problems with synaptic telling me i have broken packages and wanting to uninstall a bunch of stuff. so i downgraded back to the ubuntu version of libc (2.3.2 i think)
[07:04] <lexmarvs> where talk in espannol
[07:04] <Seveas> Thirsteh, no i am just asking you how you determined memory usage...
[07:04] <goofrider> Thirsteh, they don't that 200MB real RAM, just virtual moemory
[07:04] <e-guru> Thirsteh: thanks
[07:04] <IIIEars> lex -#Ubuntu-es
[07:04] <Seveas> lexmarvs, #ubuntu-es
[07:04] <goofrider> don;t **take**
[07:04] <lexmarvs> thx
[07:04] <e-guru> Thirsteh: [20:04]  [Notice]  -ChanServ- You must be logged in for ChanServ::HELP ?
[07:04] <IIIEars> De nada
[07:04] <refuze2looze> anyways there's not much i can do i guess, i'll try restarting
[07:04] <goofrider> refuze2looze, u upgraded glibsc? why? and where? breezy? source???
[07:05] <Thirsteh> e-guru, /msg chanserv register
[07:05] <Seveas> e-guru, /msg nickserv help
[07:05] <Seveas> :)
[07:05] <Thirsteh> oh yeah sorry
[07:05] <Thirsteh> it's nickserv
[07:05] <Seveas> nickserv is for nickname registration
[07:05] <Jormundgand> s///msg chanserv///chanserv
[07:05] <Thirsteh> Just woke up
[07:05] <FX|Laptop> god this backporting sucks.
[07:05] <Seveas> FX|Laptop, :)
[07:05] <e-guru> Seveas: [20:05]  [Error]  NickServ: No such nick/channel.
[07:06] <alisonc> does anyone use realplayer (ubuntu 5.04)?
[07:06] <goofrider> refuze2looze, at this point, I'd suggest u pin hoary to 1001 and downgrading the complete system, u got nothing to lose at this point
[07:06] <e-guru> Seveas: sorry :) I was on wrong server heh
[07:06] <refuze2looze> goofrider: because a program (gimpshop) said it required the newer version and would not start so i was stupid enough to install the debian package from it (after compiling it from source did not work)
[07:06] <e-guru> Seveas: wrong server window :(
[07:06] <Seveas> ;)
[07:06] <goofrider> refuze2looze, OMG u install a newer glibc from Sid??? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
[07:07] <refuze2looze> goofrider: i didn't know this would happen!! well i sure learned my lesson
[07:07] <refuze2looze> that was so stupid of me to do
[07:07] <refuze2looze> and i was warned about it too
[07:07] <refuze2looze> hehe
[07:07] <Lafitte-> how do i scan usb devices ??
[07:07] <nalioth> refuze2looze: linux is learning
[07:07] <Seveas> ;))
[07:07] <Seveas> Lafitte-, lsusb will list them if that's what you mean
[07:07] <AeSSeD> anyone have a abit an8 fatality with lmsensors ?
[07:07] <refuze2looze> anyways, time to reinstall
[07:07] <goofrider> refuze2looze, u've been served. Now try pinning hoary to 1001 and see if the system can downgrade back to hoary successfully
[07:07] <Thirsteh> lol, why didn't he just do a distupgrade?'
[07:07] <e-guru> Seveas: thanks, nickserv worked
[07:08] <Jormundgand> This ridiculous six-month upgrade schedule seems to be Ubuntu's curse. You're basically stuck six months in the past until you can upgrade and become redundant all over again.
[07:08] <Seveas> Jormundgand, it's not a cause, it's a blessing
[07:08] <nalioth> AeSSeD: does that board work well?
[07:08] <goofrider> Thirsteh, dist-upgrade won't downgrade. u have to pin to 1001 to downgrade to an older versin
[07:08] <Seveas> Jormundgand, it means you'll have a stable and secure system
[07:08] <Thirsteh> Jormundgand, it's not ridiculous, it's better than getting slightly updated packages all the time that are unstable
[07:08] <Thirsteh> goofrider, shrug
[07:08] <Jormundgand> Seveas: What's it supposed to protect me from?
[07:08] <AeSSeD> nalioth, yes...
[07:08] <Seveas> Jormundgand, new bugs...
[07:08] <g14> Jormundgand, reboots
[07:08] <webby> how do I build an app from  source?
[07:08] <nalioth> AeSSeD: was thinkin of gettin one
[07:08] <Jormundgand> I'm impenetrable over here, I couldn't let someone into this system if I tried.
[07:09] <Seveas> but i've only said that a dozen times or so...
[07:09] <webby> or atleast make a .deb from source?
[07:09] <nalioth> webby: "sudo apt-get source -b <pkgname>"
[07:09] <Lafitte-> Seveas,  yes
[07:09] <goofrider> Jormundgand, if u live moving target, try Gentoo
[07:09] <psychonate> Jormundgand, that doesn't mean your system is stable...
[07:09] <goofrider> or Debian Sid
[07:09] <webby> nalioth, no
[07:09] <nalioth> webby: then you use dpkg on it
[07:09] <webby> the app I want is not in the repo's
[07:09] <nalioth> webby ah you did not give all info
[07:09] <Seveas> webby, then it depends on the program
[07:09] <g14> webby: Have you downloaded the source?
[07:09] <Seveas> webby, what are you trying to install?
[07:09] <Jormundgand> I installed WINDOWS and never did I get cracked. I threw my e-mail address about like confetti and never got any spam.
[07:10] <nalioth> webby use checkinstall instead of "make install"
[07:10] <webby> http://www.rexi.org/software/lyman/index.html
[07:10] <zenrox> hears a good question what file do i need to edit to change to get my specal vol key to change the vol on the pcm vol control and not the master
[07:10] <psychonate> Jormundgand, I think the issue is more about stability.
[07:10] <webby> that's the program webpage
[07:10] <goofrider> Jormundgand, yeah and with Windows u also get a kernel that hasn't been upgraded for like 10 years
[07:10] <webby> can some one help me build a .deb ?
[07:10] <Seveas> Jormundgand, do you even LISTEN to what we say???
[07:10] <psychonate> btw people
[07:10] <Jormundgand> I think people are too anal about "security" that they forgo good new features in the name of "security". Way to live in the paat.
[07:10] <Jormundgand> past*
[07:10] <Di42lo> IIIEarsIIIEarsIIIEarsIIIEars
[07:10] <goofrider> Jormundgand, and windows doesn't prevent spam for u
[07:10] <dabaSlon> webby, http://pastebin.ca/11799
[07:10] <psychonate> Jormundgand, again, I think the issue is more about stability.
[07:10] <Seveas> you keep bragging about never being hacked but security and stability are not just about hacking
[07:10] <Di42lo> IIIEars how can i access the grub conf file ?
[07:11] <Di42lo> IIIEars Any live cd isnt working
[07:11] <dabaSlon> webby, not a deb, though, just compilation from source.
[07:11] <Thirsteh> Jormundgand, lol, just shut up already, getting "cracked", jeeez...
[07:11] <Seveas> Thirsteh, Jormundgand is kinda clueless
[07:11] <nalioth> webby use checkinstall instead of "make install"
[07:11] <Seveas> too bad it took us so long to figure it out :)
[07:11] <psychonate> anyway, I was very angry yesterday because Firefox froze my system up entirely, and that should never happen IMO
[07:11] <Jormundgand> Seveas: I added the "staging" repos of backports which are apparently labelled as "treat them as Debian unstable" and what happens? Nothing at all.
[07:11] <goofrider> Jormundgand, if u choose to forgo secuirty for your system, that's gr8. It's your PC. but OS vendors and developers has to do it for EVERYONE, not just u
[07:11] <Thirsteh> Seveas, no kidding
[07:11] <nalioth> webby: checkinstall makes debs
[07:11] <g14> Jormundgand: Thats why linux is more secure. We actually give a crap about our data
[07:12] <Seveas> it's /ignore time :)
[07:12] <psychonate> so, if that happens again, I'm going to slaughter some random family
[07:12] <psychonate> :(
[07:12] <psychonate> I really don't like rebooting
[07:12] <Seveas> psychonate, didn't kill -9 help?
[07:12] <goofrider> psychonate, y do u have to reboot? it's Linux
[07:12] <dabaSlon> hah, nate, random fam...
[07:12] <Thirsteh> Jormundgand, the #1 reason to have Linux -> SuperTux
[07:12] <Seveas> Thirsteh, yeah!!!!
[07:12] <Thirsteh> :)
[07:12] <Seveas> i even found the secret level :)
[07:13] <Thirsteh> lol
[07:13] <Seveas> (and completed all levels)
[07:13] <Thirsteh> Slowman!
[07:13] <Thirsteh> I found two secret levels :D
[07:13] <Lafitte-> Seveas,  what mount point is usb   in ubuntu   like  what name they use ?
[07:13] <psychonate> Seveas, goofrider well, it was bad enough that I couldn't restart X with ALT+CTRL+BACKSPACE nor could I get to a console to issue kill commands
[07:13] <goofrider> Jormundgand, you are not at the mercy of Ubuntu's policy. There are plenty of bleeding edge, moving target linux distros u can use, if that's what u like
[07:13] <dabaSlon> you know only of one secret level?
[07:13] <dabaSlon> :_p
[07:13] <CarlK> zenrox - right click the speaker icon, select properties
[07:13] <Seveas> Lafitte-, automounted devices are mounted under /media
[07:13] <Jormundgand> goofrider: I don't have the freedom to simply download a new distribution and use it.
[07:13] <webby> how do I execute a .jar file?
[07:13] <Jormundgand> CD-Rs are expensive.
[07:13] <psychonate> I don't know if ssh was running, but I was too pissed to get to another box and try to kill things.
[07:13] <Seveas> psychonate, sounds like a bigger problem tan an FF freeze
[07:13] <psychonate> sshd*
[07:13] <goofrider> Jormundgand, Windows has only one suuplier, u'r have no-one else to go to if u don;t like MS's policy or how they manage/develop the OS
[07:13] <zenrox> CarlK,  and slect PCM
[07:13] <forsaker8k6> hi people. an off-topic question: can someone suggest me a video editing software for linux?
[07:13] <dabaSlon> webby: almost just type its nmame in a terminal./..
[07:14] <Seveas> webby, java -jar <jarfile>
[07:14] <psychonate> well, whatever it is/was, it made me angry
[07:14] <zenrox> CarlK,  i have allready done that
[07:14] <goofrider> Jormundgand, mount the ISO as a loopback
[07:14] <goofrider> from the HDD, and istall from HDD
[07:14] <g14> forsaker8k6, kino or cinerella
[07:14] <Thirsteh> Jormundgand, go install Gentoo, see if you can even get through the install, and then, if you can, if you like that better
[07:14] <zenrox> CarlK,  and it dont work
[07:14] <forsaker8k6> tnk a lot g14
[07:14] <psychonate> this is probably unrelated, but does Ubuntu's standard kernel use the preemptible option?
[07:14] <Seveas> dabaSlon, have fun :)
[07:15] <dabaSlon> Seveas: well, I hope it does not eat all my time...
[07:15] <Seveas> psychonate, if you REALLY want to know: download the source and look throught the .config ;)
[07:15] <Jormundgand> Thirsteh: Not allowed to download ISOs. Download ceiling.
[07:15] <bur[n] er> can anyone help me debug a vncviewer + gnome issue?  I ask anyone to try "vncviewer -listen" and see if you get X errors
[07:15] <bur[n] er> it works fine in XFCE, just not gnome
[07:15] <Lafitte-> Seveas,  so to sync a palm pilot what would i use for mount path ?
[07:15] <pixel83> hi, has anyone heard about a strange bug occuring under hoary with nvidia drivers when starting enemy territory?
[07:15] <Thirsteh> Jormundgand, lol
[07:15] <CarlK> zenrox - how are you determining that it doesn't work?
[07:15] <Seveas> Lafitte-, no idea, never done that, sorry
[07:15] <goofrider> Jormundgand, the reason that u see what u see in Ubuntu now without pulling your hair out just to get it to work is exactly necause we have a 6 month cycle
[07:15] <psychonate> Seveas, ah, I wouldn't know what to look for
[07:15] <Lafitte-> Seveas, k
[07:16] <FreezerX> Is it already possible to get a typhoon dvb-t cardbus started with ubuntu?
[07:16] <KoseFrank> Hi. I have just installed the 64-bit version of Ubuntu, and I have a couple of questions.
[07:16] <Seveas> CONFIG_PREEMTIBLE=y oslt
[07:16] <zenrox> useing gkrellm to see witch vol slider is moving when using the specla vol key
[07:16] <zenrox> and it moves the aster
[07:16] <zenrox> master
[07:16] <Thirsteh> Jormundgand, if you don't like playing with your OS, being able to set up things exactly the way you like it, then install Windows again, no Linux is going to fit you, other than Linspire maybe
[07:16] <psychonate> Seveas, I assume that is a yes.
[07:16] <goofrider> Jormundgand, and here's you complain about ubuntu is restrictive about upgrading packages? Sounds like u should switch ISP first
[07:16] <Seveas> KoseFrank, read the topic, just ask :)
[07:16] <KoseFrank> Does it exist a flash-player for the 64bit-system?
[07:16] <Seveas> y = yes, n = no :)
[07:17] <psychonate> Seveas, I'm no expert, but I always thought that preemptible kernels were slightly less stable.
[07:17] <Seveas> KoseFrank, not at this time
[07:17] <Seveas> psychonate, no idea :)
[07:17] <KoseFrank> Ahh... Darnit =)
[07:17] <krg> Heh.
[07:17] <Jormundgand> goofrider: I'm restricted by the fact that A) in parents' house = under parents' rules B) houses are too expensive C) Internet access is too expensive.
[07:17] <Seveas> if they are, then ubuntu will not have used the option
[07:17] <hac> Whre I can get a tool like Multiproxy for windows?
[07:17] <KoseFrank> And what about a good videoplayer
[07:17] <Seveas> Jormundgand, and you are restricted by the fact that your CLUE < 0
[07:17] <bur[n] er> KoseFrank: totem
[07:17] <goofrider> Jormundgand, so u got a free CD from Ubuntu and still complains about it?
[07:17] <Seveas> KoseFrank, totem :)
[07:17] <KoseFrank> Doesn't seem to support anyting (the Totem-player)
[07:18] <dabaSlon> oh, look, its a tux super mario...
[07:18] <g14> Seveas :)
[07:18] <goofrider> Jormundgand, email Gentoo and Fedora and MS and seee if they'd send u a free CD.
[07:18] <Seveas> KoseFrank, totem-xine does
[07:18] <zenrox> CarlK,  you still thare
[07:18] <bur[n] er> KoseFrank: read the faq or the wiki :P
[07:18] <CarlK> speaking of... where is a _good_ site that lists free wifi near Petoskey, MI?
[07:18] <bur[n] er> KoseFrank: dont' be lazy ;)
[07:18] <Jormundgand> Seveas: For someone who supposedly ignored me, you have an odd way of showing it.
[07:18] <CarlK> zenrox - yeah
[07:18] <goofrider> u can't fucking please everybody can u? sigh
[07:18] <nalioth> KoseFrank: amd64, ppc and other platforms are not as well supported as good ol x86
[07:18] <goldfish> Jormundgand: What are you on about man?
[07:18] <KoseFrank> Hehe.. I'm just a beguinner, really
[07:18] <zenrox> CarlK,  so you understand what i am trying to do
[07:18] <bur[n] er> KoseFrank: ubuntuguide.org
[07:18] <goldfish> Jormundgand: If you want to go back to windows, give me your email, and i'll get you all the spam you want.
[07:19] <Seveas> KoseFrank, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats will help too :)
[07:19] <dcraven> Jormundgand: The security features in place don't only protect your own data, but also the rest of us from your compromised system.
[07:19] <Seveas> bur[n] er, it runs here
[07:19] <CarlK> zenrox - yeah - I ust did it, and itmoves my PCM setting
[07:19] <bur[n] er> Seveas: using gnome?
[07:20] <zenrox> not me
[07:20] <Seveas> ah wait, it doesn;t
[07:20] <pixel83> has anyone heard of a screen-scrolling-in-lower-resolution-bug?
[07:20] <dabaSlon> KoseFrank: there are several players, VLC is what ppl say comes installed with a lot of drivers.
[07:20] <Seveas> from the menu it was working
[07:20] <Jormundgand> dcraven: I challenge you to compromise my system.
[07:20] <zenrox> still moves my master
[07:20] <dcraven> Jormundgand: gimme a break
[07:20] <bur[n] er> thanks Seveas, i have no idea the problem... but at least I can bug report it now :\
[07:20] <Jormundgand> If you can compromise it then I take back everything I said and you can do what you like with what you can find.
[07:20] <KoseFrank> Ok
[07:20] <bur[n] er>   Major opcode of failed request:  45 (X_OpenFont)
[07:20] <zenrox> CarlK, and i dont want it to ruin how i set up my master and surround settings
[07:20] <dabaSlon> KoseFrank: I compiled the Mplayer from source, and have a good walkthrough of it on a pastebin...and I got all the codecs as -dev packages, and it all works pretty neat now.
[07:20] <nalioth> Jormundgand: what would we want with your stuff?
[07:20] <Seveas> bur[n] er, does it work from the menu?
[07:20] <bur[n] er> Seveas: -listen is not in the menu
[07:20] <psychonate> pixel83, sounds like your sync values aren't correct or something
[07:21] <dcraven> Jormundgand: There's a good chance it's already been done.
[07:21] <bur[n] er> Seveas: in fact, vncviewer is not in the menu for me
[07:21] <goofrider> bur[n] er, which vnc package r u using though?
[07:21] <Seveas> bur[n] er, no, but there is a command that starts a vnc server
[07:21] <dcraven> s/good/reasonable
[07:21] <Jormundgand> nalioth: I have no idea, but it's just the challenge. You're babbling about "security" and I'm yet to see proof that I'm at all insecure.
[07:21] <dabaSlon> KoseFrank: although, mplayer isin apt now, too, and there are also the totem-xine he hsaid, and xine-ui, that I happen to use most.
[07:21] <bur[n] er> goofrider: i tried the vanilla vncviewer & xtightvncviewer
[07:21] <bur[n] er> Seveas: that's different
[07:21] <Jormundgand> dcraven: Proof please.
[07:21] <Seveas> bur[n] er, ah :)
[07:21] <dabaSlon> KoseFrank: the restricted formats wiki is something you definitely wanna read, tho, cause it covers a lot of stuff.
[07:21] <bur[n] er> Seveas: listening is the client... but it waits for other servers to connect to you.. using port 5500
[07:22] <dcraven> Jormundgand: I don't have proof, of course. It's just a hunch.
[07:22] <nalioth> Jormundgand: unless you've done some wild things to your system, you are secure
[07:22] <Seveas> bur[n] er, wait a sec...
[07:22] <bur[n] er> Seveas: waiting :)
[07:22] <Jormundgand> Exactly. I'd need to be pretty stupid to be insecure, especially with NaziISP providing my internet connection.
[07:22] <pixel83> psyconate: I installed the driver according to ubuntuguide.org. this worked under warty, but now I installed hoary and this bug occured every time I start Enemy territory (which does not get past a black screen)
[07:22] <KoseFrank> I can see that
[07:22] <Jormundgand> I don't think I myself am running a firewall.
[07:22] <dcraven> Jormundgand: Malicious software counts on overconfident system admins.
[07:22] <dabaSlon> Jormundgand: well, for one, how do we know for a fact your system is configed as you say?
[07:22] <goofrider> bur[n] er, and both vanilla vncviewer and tightvnc gives u the same error?
[07:22] <goldfish> Jormundgand: are u running ubuntu?
[07:23] <Seveas> bur[n] er, do you remember where in the menu you could start it, I can't find it anymore but it is running :S
[07:23] <zenrox> so CarlK  you know of another way to change that
[07:23] <nalioth> Jormundgand: why would you run a fw when ubuntu is by default "listen-0nly"
[07:23] <dabaSlon> Jormundgand: I doont have a firewall either, so?
[07:23] <bur[n] er> Seveas: it's not in the menu
[07:23] <bur[n] er> goofrider: yes
[07:23] <psychonate> pixel83, Which driver?
[07:23] <Jormundgand> goldfish: Yes I am.
[07:23] <bur[n] er> goofrider: try it for yourself ;)
[07:23] <goldfish> k
[07:23] <goofrider> bur[n] er, I have vncserver running
[07:23] <pixel83> psychonate: the funny thing is that, while et is hanging... nvidia
[07:23] <bur[n] er> goofrider: vncviewer -listen is different
[07:24] <bur[n] er> it waits for servers to add you as a host... using port 5500 instead of vnc server port 5900
[07:24] <goofrider> but thtat mreans I'll have to stop the vnc daemon first!!!
[07:24] <pixel83> psyconate: ...I can scroll out of the black screen an use my desktop...
[07:24] <bur[n] er> it's for "reverse VNC" connections
[07:24] <goofrider> &*#*^&*#
[07:24] <bur[n] er> goofrider: no it doesn't
[07:24] <psychonate> pixel83, yes, I know what you mean
[07:24] <dabaSlon> Seveas: how do I shot after I get the flower
[07:24] <dabaSlon> ?
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[07:24] <Seveas> same for running
[07:24] <Thirsteh> Is it possible to apt-get Enemy Territory?
[07:24] <dabaSlon> thanks
[07:24] <goofrider> bur[n] er, they use the same ports
[07:24] <psychonate> pixel83, I think I may have had that problem before on another distro. Let me try ET quick.
[07:24] <bur[n] er> goofrider: it shouldn't... they use different ports & different apps
[07:25] <bur[n] er> goofrider: vncviewer -listen uses port 5500.... a vnc server uses port 5800 & 5900 for web & client respectively
[07:25] <psychonate> pixel83, What you want to do is run ET from a terminal and look at the output in the terminal.
[07:25] <psychonate> pixel83, It will probably show you what it's getting hung on.
[07:25] <Jormundgand> Admittedly the wireless network is WEP-protected but it's only meant to be dummy protection anyway.
[07:25] <goofrider> bur[n] er, looks like it works
[07:25] <bur[n] er> goofrider:  you don't get X font errors?
[07:25] <bur[n] er> X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist)
[07:25] <bur[n] er>   Major opcode of failed request:  45 (X_OpenFont)
[07:25] <goofrider> bur[n] er, nope
[07:25] <bur[n] er> using gnome?
[07:26] <goofrider> bur[n] er, yes.
[07:26] <dabaSlon> ahhh...there is running too...
[07:26] <bur[n] er> goofrider: may i connect to you to try?  u behind a router?
[07:26] <goofrider> bur[n] er, yes I am
[07:26] <bur[n] er> you should see my screen if i connect to you
[07:26] <pixel83> psyconate: sounds good, I'll try it. is there any way in removing that display error after its occurence other than rebooting?
[07:26] <bur[n] er> aww, nevermind :)
[07:26] <bur[n] er> if you map port 5500 i could test :)
[07:26] <bur[n] er> but i can't believe yours runs...
[07:26] <pixel83> I didn't find et in ps -A
[07:26] <bur[n] er> it just says waiting for connection?
[07:26] <goofrider> bur[n] er, and my shitty router requires it to be rebooted b4 new portfw to be effective
[07:27] <psychonate> pixel83, you mean you want to kill enemy territory without rebooting?
[07:27] <Octane> i really need help trying to get ubuntu installed
[07:27] <bur[n] er> goofrider: nevermind then ;)  thanks for the testing... maybe it's not an ubuntu bug... although i've had 2 other people reproduce it
[07:27] <Octane> i think i used a bad cd or whatever, but i wanna try to fix what's broken with apt
[07:27] <HappyFool> Octane: what's the problem?
[07:27] <goofrider> bur[n] er, it can be a missing Depends:
[07:27] <Seveas> bur[n] er, it's an ubuntu bug
[07:27] <dabaSlon> seveas, that game is easy:)
[07:27] <goofrider> bur[n] er, just install the relevant fonts and see if that fix it
[07:27] <pixel83> psyconate: yes, or just get rid of that black rectangle so I can work on...
[07:27] <drcode> hi all
[07:28] <Seveas> bur[n] er, please file it with the output attached, it's relatively easy to fix
[07:28] <dabaSlon> hey dr code
[07:28] <drcode> any one know edonkey console other then mldonkey?
[07:28] <Seveas> dabaSlon, wait until you get to the later levels
[07:28] <pixel83> psychonate: well, I'll try it now
[07:28] <psychonate> pixel83, hold on a sec
[07:28] <Seveas> or in the bonus island, try "abednego's area"
[07:28] <Octane> i cant install anything because i keep getting corrupted filesystem tarfile
[07:28] <pixel83> psychonate: ok
[07:28] <Octane> when i try to install the missing deps
[07:29] <goofrider> bur[n] er, Seveas is right. If u can figure out what is the missing fonts, attach the name of the package to the bug report so it can be added to the Depends line
[07:29] <bur[n] er> i'll try
[07:29] <goofrider> drcode, amule, xmule
[07:29] <bur[n] er> but i'm not sure where to even start
[07:29] <drcode> is x windows
[07:29] <bur[n] er> what are the relevant fonts??
[07:29] <drcode> I Want to run it in screen
[07:29] <bur[n] er> it works in xfce!!
[07:29] <Seveas> bur[n] er, just report it with the output attached, the devs will fix it, you don't need to
[07:29] <forsaker8k6> ufff... cinerella is not in ubuntu repos.. and kino does nothing then crash :(
[07:29] <bur[n] er> how could that be?  i must have the fonts right?
[07:29] <pixel83> psychonate: btw, do you mean a real terminal or a terminal under gnome?
[07:29] <goofrider> Octane, y are u installing tarballs? is there a partcular reason?
[07:29] <bur[n] er> Seveas: ok ok... thanks guys!!!
[07:30] <psychonate> pixel83, if the game hangs again, you should be able to hit ALT+CTRL+F2. Then, login, type 'ps -e' and look for enemy territory proccess. (I'm not sure what it will be called.) Then, use the kill command to kill it: 'kill <proccess name here>'. Logout. Hit ALT+CTRL+F7 to get back to X.
[07:30] <pixel83> psychonate:okay.
[07:30] <psychonate> pixel83, oh
[07:30] <Lars_G> Why won't you seed? :'( evil, evil.
[07:30] <psychonate> pixel83, You can run the game in gnome-terminal. That will suffice.
[07:31] <goofrider> Octane, oh u installed with a bad cd
[07:31] <psychonate> well, *from* gnome-terminal would be a better word I suppose
[07:31] <goofrider> Octane, wasn't I helping u yesterday? how did it go?
[07:31] <Octane> goofrider: yes sir
[07:31] <Octane> goofrider: i didnt make much progress
[07:31] <Octane> i think i know which packages are the messed up ones but apt cant seem to fix emn
[07:31] <goofrider> Octane, where r u at now?
[07:32] <refuze2looze> well, ubuntu is dead
[07:32] <Octane> how do i run sshd
[07:32] <goofrider> did it complete the install? did it reboot? once? twice?
[07:32] <goofrider> refuze2looze, I was trying to help u
[07:32] <Seveas> Octane, apt-get install openssh-server
[07:32] <toran> Octane, apt-get install sshd; /etc/init.d/sshd start
[07:32] <toran> woops
[07:32] <Seveas> toran, and the postinst will start i
[07:32] <Seveas> it
[07:33] <toran> apt-get install openssh-server is right ;-)
[07:33] <toran> ><
[07:33] <dabaSlon> sudo
[07:33] <toran> Seveas, hey, were you helping me earlier?
[07:33] <refuze2looze> goofrider: it did not complete the reinstall, it stops in the middle with some error message relating to glibc
[07:33] <Seveas> toran, possibly, I'm helping lots of people :)
[07:33] <toran> sorry that I had to leave unexpectedly after you closed xchat
[07:33] <toran> anyway
[07:33] <goofrider> oh u try to reinstall already? grrrrr
[07:33] <toran> what tool can I use to completely restart configuring the network?
[07:33] <refuze2looze> goofrider: i had other options??
[07:33] <toran> something like what goes on when you install ubuntu
[07:33] <Seveas> toran, ah :)
[07:33] <stuNNed> [/win 9
[07:33] <stuNNed> sorrry
[07:34] <refuze2looze> goofrider: i dont think it did anytihng, it just said "verifying packages"
[07:34] <refuze2looze> and then it would stop in the middle
[07:34] <toran> I really don't wanna re-install to get my card working again i_i
[07:34] <goofrider> I was gonna tell u how to pin hoary to 1001 so the system MIGHT downgrade gracefully
[07:34] <refuze2looze> goofrider: how do i do that??
[07:34] <zxc> can anyone help me install these blasted ati drivers (fglrx) I keep trying and failing.
[07:34] <goofrider> toran, base-config I think
[07:34] <refuze2looze> goofrider: i can't even boot up
[07:34] <Seveas> indeed
[07:34] <toran> goofrider, thanks man ^_^
[07:34] <toran> that is neat
[07:34] <toran> well, I'll reboot back into ubuntu and try it
[07:34] <Seveas> but base-config does moer :)
[07:34] <Octane> how do i run sshd?
[07:34] <Seveas> more8
[07:34] <goofrider> refuze2looze, oh right u broken glibc
[07:34] <toran> can I specify just network?
[07:34] <refuze2looze> refuze2looze: and before i tried to reboot i could not even start any programs, including apt-get
[07:35] <Seveas> Octane, apt-get install openssh-server
[07:35] <refuze2looze> oops
[07:35] <refuze2looze> i mean goofrider
[07:35] <refuze2looze> why did i put my own sn..
[07:35] <toran> like "base-config network" or something like that?
[07:35] <refuze2looze> nick*
[07:35] <g14> refuze2looze: Don't try to upgrade. Wipe it all and start over
[07:35] <Seveas> toran, no just base-config
[07:35] <dabaSlon> octane, it runs after you insgtall.
[07:35] <forsaker8k6> another question: how do i use alien to install an rpm package
[07:35] <forsaker8k6> ?
[07:35] <refuze2looze> g14: so i have to format huh... damn. i guess i can download ubuntu live and back up my stuff
[07:35] <Seveas> alien -i
[07:35] <refuze2looze> i only had a / and a swap partition
[07:35] <toran> well, thanks, I'll try that
[07:35] <Seveas> forsaker8k6, read the manpage ;)
[07:35] <dabaSlon> octane, as toran said /etc/init.d/sshd restart, start, stop, and such manipulate it.
[07:35] <goofrider> refuze2looze, that's a tought one.. maybe u can try to bott from live CD and chroot to the HDD?
[07:36] <forsaker8k6> tnx Seveas, i'll do nect time. smack
[07:36] <goofrider> refuze2looze, glibc will be loaded and bound to the version on CD at bootime, so chroot shouldn';t use the new broken glibc on HDD
[07:36] <Seveas> goofrider, not entirely true
[07:36] <nico8481> how do you get the full name of an installed package with dpkg? it seems truncated to X characters here
[07:37] <nico8481> i mean dpkg -l |grep blah trucates the packages names
[07:37] <refuze2looze> goofrider: yeah i'll try to boot up from the live cd and see what i can do.. i'll probably just back up my stuff and then clean install
[07:37] <refuze2looze> damn.. so much to back up..
[07:37] <pixel83> psyconate: still there, did you receive my query?
[07:37] <Seveas> nico8481, dpkg --get-selections
[07:37] <nico8481> thx
[07:37] <goofrider> Seveas, when it's a possiblity (and I didn't speak in certain terms)
[07:37] <refuze2looze> seveas: you think i won't be able to boot the live cd??
[07:37] <goofrider> well** it's a possibility
[07:38] <RedNeck_> I must say that Ubuntu is the best Linux Distro I have ever used
[07:38] <Seveas> refuze2looze, you will be able to boot from the live cd
[07:38] <refuze2looze> oh
[07:38] <Seveas> but as soon as you chroot to your hoary, it'll probably fail again
[07:38] <refuze2looze> seveas: i just need access to the HD to back up my stuff. that i will have right?
[07:38] <krg> I'll give you guys one guess as to when keeping Firefox at 1.0.2 (but adding the 1.0.4 security patches) is a bad idea.
[07:38] <goofrider> Seveas, i'm only hoping to get apt and dpkg to work in chroot
[07:38] <dabaSlon> RedNeck_: me too...maybe cause it is the only one I used...
[07:39] <Seveas> refuze2looze, absolutely
[07:39] <Seveas> if you don't chroot into your hoary system you can do whatever you want
[07:39] <goofrider> Seveas, would a apt-get/dpkg rootdir=/dev/hda1 work?
[07:39] <refuze2looze> i'll try to chroot into my system and see if i can install glibc.. if not then not
[07:40] <Seveas> goofrider, hmm
[07:40] <Seveas> good one
[07:40] <Seveas> never tried that (never knew the option)
[07:40] <goofrider> Seveas, that's where i'm getting at
[07:40] <goofrider> Seveas, and pin hoary to 1001
[07:40] <goofrider> and tehoritically it MIGHT downgrade gracefully
[07:41] <goofrider> Seveas, I know damn sure rootdir= is an option in dpkg, I need to RTFM to see apt-get has it though
[07:42] <refuze2looze> goofrider: what do you mean by pin hoary to 1001?
[07:42] <goofrider> refuze2looze, anyways, reinstall is probably the simplest, but if u have too much data/cofig to back up we can try to paly with the downgrade option (i can't guarentee itll work though, A broken glibc is gonna be a hard one to fix)
[07:43] <jbailey> refuze2looze, goofrider: What version of glibc is in there by accident?
[07:43] <goofrider> jbailey, he installed the version from Debian Sid
[07:43] <goofrider> :-X
[07:43] <drcode> any one know good newgroup reader for console?
[07:44] <refuze2looze> jbailey: and then i attempted to downgrade back to the 2.3.2 or whatever the ubuntu version was
[07:44] <refuze2looze> and then hell
[07:44] <jbailey> So 2.3.2.ds1-something not, the 2.3.5-1 from experimental?
[07:44] <refuze2looze> jbailey: yeah that's it
[07:44] <refuze2looze> 2.3.5
[07:44] <goofrider> jbailey, u have a better idez
[07:44] <goofrider> idea?
[07:45] <jbailey> If you've got 2.3.5, you're pretty much hooped for now.
[07:45] <jbailey> We don'thave the magic to downgrade to 2.3.2 in Hoary at all.
[07:45] <jbailey> I'll do an update where you could use the breezy glibc, but I haven't done it yet.
[07:46] <jbailey> Right now, the breezy glibc is a bit older than the one in experimental (version wise)
[07:46] <goofrider> jbailey, not even booting from live cd and dpkg --rootdir=/mnt/hda1  ???
[07:46] <Seveas> --force-downgrade
[07:46] <goofrider> Seveas, right that too  :)
[07:46] <jbailey> You could *try* a force install of the breezy glibc, you might be able to sidegrade to it.
[07:47] <jbailey> goofrider: It depends what else is installed that wants it.
[07:47] <Seveas> i had a lot of fun with dpkg helping someone to downgrade gimp which he installed from another repo
[07:47] <Seveas> also glibc related
[07:47] <Edgan> Couldn't you boot from a live cd, and then use dpkg to install the hoary glibc to the real installs chroot?
[07:47] <goofrider> Seveas, yes I'm having fun now as well :)
[07:47] <nevle> hi,please help I've just installed ubuntu but grub doesn[t work so can't access windows on hdb
[07:47] <refuze2looze> you guys, i believe i'll just do a clean install. i'll boot from the live cd to back up my important files
[07:47] <goofrider> Seveas, I think to myself.. Thank god it's NOT my system
[07:48] <Seveas> nevle, describe "grub doesn't work"
[07:48] <nevle> it just doesn't appear
[07:48] <goofrider> refuze2looze, it's probably the simplest and flooproof method, to reinstall
[07:48] <goofrider> foolproof
[07:48] <Seveas> nevle, so you immediately boot into linux or is the machine unbootable?
[07:48] <jbailey> The breezy glibc is generally wokring well, though.  It's really your safest bet aside from reinstalling.
[07:49] <nevle> goes straight into linux
[07:49] <Seveas> jbailey, so reinstalling is the most newbie-proof since it avoids pinning :)
[07:49] <Edgan> jbailey: Wouldn't the method I described above work?
[07:49] <Seveas> nevle, in a terminal you type: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:50] <Seveas> nevle, in that file search for a line that starts with timeout
[07:50] <refuze2looze> anyways, i got work to do
[07:50] <jbailey> Seveas: pinning?  Only needed if you have debian sources in your sources.list.  If you do that, your system will break, and life will suck.  There isn't really anything else to say. =)
[07:50] <refuze2looze> thanks for your help!
[07:50] <goofrider> refuze2looze, good luck
[07:50] <jbailey> Edgan: It could, assuming that nothing else has been installed that requires the newer glibc.
[07:50] <Seveas> nevle, change that line to timeout        5
[07:50] <jbailey> Edgan: Those may silently break.
[07:50] <Edgan> jbailey: just uninstall that stuff first
[07:51] <e-guru> how do I get cdbakeoven to get installed with apt-get? I used apt-cache search but couldnt find it, any better cd writing programs?
[07:51] <e-guru> for kde
[07:51] <Seveas> e-guru, k3b
[07:51] <Octane> goofrider here is what i get
[07:51] <Octane> http://pastebin.ca/11810
[07:51] <Octane> when i do apt-get check and apt-get -f install
[07:51] <Seveas> (that's what everoby says is the best)
[07:51] <goofrider> Octane,  hold on
[07:51] <Octane> np
[07:52] <e-guru> Seveas: looks good :) thanks
[07:52] <nevle> Seveas, changed to 10 earlier but didn't work
[07:52] <Seveas> nevle, is there a line in that file that contains just the word hiddenmenu
[07:53] <goofrider> Octane, so apt-get is downloading and installing packages just fine?
[07:53] <Seveas> around line 22
[07:53] <Octane> is there a way to get all of the output from apt-get into a file? doing > x.txt doesnt show all errors toward the end
[07:53] <dabaSlon> yeah, llooks fine.
[07:53] <nevle> yes
[07:53] <dabaSlon> well, that should be it.
[07:53] <Seveas> Octane, apt-get .... 2>&1 > foo.txt
[07:53] <Seveas> the 2>&1 redirects the errors too
[07:53] <goofrider> Octane, yeah I didn't see any errrors
[07:54] <Octane> Seveas thanks but that doesnt output all the erorrs
[07:54] <nevle> Seveas,ok,what should it read if windows is on hdb
[07:54] <e-guru> Seveas: there is a problem, it complains that it cant find cdrdao
[07:54] <sugoruyo> hey can someone tell me something about synaptic/
[07:54] <Octane> goofrider: yah there are errors after it finishes unpacking the downloaded packages
[07:54] <dabaSlon> goofrider: did he run update after that?
[07:54] <Seveas> sugoruyo, sure :)
[07:54] <truz24> Is there a reason i can't copy in and out of xvncviewer ?
[07:54] <karim> I have a problem when I try to open a gnome session
[07:54] <truz24> I can't copy a string
[07:54] <karim> it says I don't have the right to open socket something
[07:54] <goofrider> dabaSlon, I assume so. It's be a whole day!!
[07:55] <goofrider> dabaSlon, I'm still trying to figure out where he's at since we last chat
[07:55] <Seveas> e-guru, cdrdao is in universe, do you have that enabled
[07:55] <Octane> goofrider: it just gives me a "dpkg: error processing /debfile (--unpack): corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success
[07:55] <Simpleton> Anyone here setup ao to run on ubuntu?
[07:55] <Octane> for each of the packages
[07:55] <goofrider> Octane, can u just describe the errors?
[07:55] <Seveas> goofrider, do apt-get clean
[07:55] <Octane> :)
[07:56] <Seveas> Octane, do apt-get clean
[07:56] <Seveas> and then try again
[07:56] <Octane> and redownload?
[07:56] <Octane> k
[07:56] <dabaSlon> goofrider: um...does apt-get  update come with no errors now?
[07:56] <karim> mkdtemp : private socket dir : permission denied
[07:56] <karim> I got this error
[07:56] <karim> when I try to log from gdm on gnome
[07:56] <zxc> anyone know how to install the ati drivers?
[07:56] <e-guru> Seveas: just enabled, doing update now, lets see...
[07:56] <goofrider> dabaSlon, Octane is the one having problems (since yesterday), and we're still trying to establish what progress he has made
[07:57] <Octane> hey!! that worked!!
[07:57] <Seveas> nice :)
[07:57] <Simpleton> :(
[07:57] <goofrider> :)
[07:57] <nevle> Seveas,should hidden menu be uncopmmented?
[07:57] <dabaSlon> goofrider: yeah, I knew that, thanks. Make him update now, and see if there are still errors.
[07:57] <ubuntuinstaller> Hey guys, I'm about to install ubuntu
[07:57] <dabaSlon> If there are, make him paste his sources so you can see the,.
[07:57] <Seveas> nevle, it sould be commented
[07:57] <ubuntuinstaller> the new one
[07:57] <Seveas> so it should be #hiddenmenu
[07:57] <Seveas> and not hiddenmenu
[07:57] <ubuntuinstaller> now here's my question
[07:57] <nevle> ok will retry
[07:57] <sugoruyo> when synaptic gets some packages or some updates what happens to the downloaded files?
[07:57] <nevle> thanks
[07:57] <e-guru> Seveas: thanks, seems to be working
[07:58] <Seveas> sugoruyo, they are removed after a while
[07:58] <ubuntuinstaller> I installed it a few days ago and everything was fine until it started and my screen size was 800X600
[07:58] <goofrider> sugoruyo, they are saved in /var/cache/apt/archives
[07:58] <toran> hey guys, just curious- if my monitor supports 1600x1200 @ 77Hz, what should I put in my xorg file?
[07:58] <Octane> mmm postscript
[07:58] <Octane> Seveas in my stupidity i shoulda totally thgouth of apt-get clean
[07:58] <ubuntuinstaller> It should be 1280x1024
[07:58] <Seveas> apt-get clean is THE way to get rid of corruptedness :)
[07:58] <ubuntuinstaller> but it didn't list that as an option
[07:58] <toran> I think I may have my horizontal sync/vertical refresh setting wrong...
[07:59] <goofrider> Octane, yeah that went over my head as well  :)
[07:59] <ubuntuinstaller> so I know knoppix has a boot option to set the screen size
[07:59] <webby> how do I format my usbstick?
[07:59] <Seveas> ubuntuinstaller, if the installer doesn't autodetect it, you should edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand
[07:59] <ubuntuinstaller> is there anything like that for the ubuntu install
[07:59] <goofrider> Octane, but didn't u have GPG verfication problem on the apt-get update as well?
[07:59] <Octane> goofrider: ya i reinstalled from the beginning after that
[07:59] <sugoruyo> goofrider: so if i tell it not to set a max cache size and not to delete any files that are old i should be able to find the files there right?
[07:59] <ubuntuinstaller> So install normally, and edit the thing later?
[07:59] <dabaSlon> webby, why format, just remove all on it, and put something on it?
[07:59] <Octane> now it seems to be stuck at Re-registering postscript fonts
[07:59] <Seveas> sugoruyo, yes, but there might be a cronjob that removes files too..
[07:59] <karim> in wich group do I need to be to be able to open a X session in gnome ?.
[08:00] <webby> dabaSlon, i think it has a bad partition table
[08:00] <goofrider> sugoruyo, it should be there if you change the default to not to delete the cached packages
[08:00] <Seveas> ubuntuinstaller, yes
[08:00] <ubuntuinstaller> You know every time I've tried linux for the past 3 years, the X stuff always kills me
[08:01] <goofrider> Octane, don't worry about some minor broken packages here and there, they'll be fixed eventually
[08:01] <Seveas> ubuntuinstaller, you're not the only one :)
[08:01] <goofrider> Octane,interrupt it if it stalls
[08:01] <sugoruyo> Seveas: about the cronjob, a.what is that? b. can i prevent it from doing so? c.if i can't/it's too hard/inconvinient can i copy the files before it does so?
[08:01] <ubuntuinstaller> When will resolution, monitor, etc, just work?
[08:01] <Octane> why is it that every ttf package fucks up
[08:01] <penguin_roar> is there anyone out there who uses the TV to watch movies from the computer?
[08:01] <ubuntuinstaller> Does anyone have a prediction?
[08:01] <Seveas> sugoruyo, wait a sec
[08:01] <sugoruyo> Seveas: sure
[08:01] <forse_root> when I write kynaptic they give me:  xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server ; xlib: No protocol specified ; kynaptic: cannot connect to X server :0.0 what is the error?
[08:01] <dabaSlon> webby, find where it is mounted, which device it is, and then fdisk device...maybe.
[08:02] <penguin_roar> ubuntuinstaller, for me it always just work, what hardware do you use?
[08:02] <Octane> fontoconfig is what keeps giving me problems
[08:02] <chungaroo> hey
[08:02] <ubuntuinstaller> e-machines, 443 mhz, 19 inch lcd
[08:02] <Seveas> sugoruyo, nvm, there is NoSuchJob :)
[08:02] <toran> "VertRefresh     50-75" -- is this right for a monitor that supports 1600x1200 @ 77Hz
[08:02] <Octane> how do i manually update my fontconfig cache?
[08:03] <Seveas> forse_root, do not run kynaptic as root
[08:03] <toran> (maxiumum refresh rate)
[08:03] <mopp> I can't get into the su. What should I do?
[08:03] <Seveas> instead, use sudo kynaptic
[08:03] <toran> mopp, sudo passwd
[08:03] <sugoruyo> Seveas: ok, thanks
[08:03] <toran> mopp, it'll ask for your password
[08:03] <sugoruyo> how can i use those packages to update my system if i reinstall?
[08:03] <toran> does anyone know if that setting is right in my xorg file?
[08:03] <toran> my monitor is flickering and it's driving me nuts ><
[08:03] <mopp> toran, thanks. that fixed it. :)
[08:03] <toran> I think I don't have it set high enough, but I might be wrong
[08:03] <toran> mopp, ^_^
[08:04] <A-z-i-z> Hello... Is GIMP 2.3.0 available as a package for Ubuntu ?
[08:04] <goofrider> Octane, u don't u just focus on completing apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and then fixs the broken packages?
[08:04] <Seveas> A-z-i-z, not yet
[08:04] <Seveas> A-z-i-z, and t will only be in breezy
[08:04] <Octane> goofrider: okay good idea
[08:04] <mopp> okey, a second problem. My "apt"-list is really small and can't find ettercap which I'm trying to install, how can I change so it uses the universal repository?
[08:05] <A-z-i-z> ic
[08:05] <tsume> ...
[08:05] <toran> mopp, edit /etc/apt/sources.list (hit tab, that may not be the exact name)
[08:05] <Seveas> mopp, use this as sources.list: http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[08:05] <wezzer> hello
[08:05] <toran> it's well enough commented you should be able to figure it out from there
[08:05] <Seveas> (the content of that file i mean)
[08:05] <wezzer> I installed ati drivers for my Radeon 9800
[08:05] <tsume> my env is getting really slow :/
[08:05] <toran> "VertRefresh     50-75" -- is this right for a monitor that supports 1600x1200 @ 77Hz ..?
[08:05] <goofrider> Octane, when I installed using a bad CD, gdm and xorg and a bunch of important stuff ware broken, but apt-get install ubuntu-desktop pretty much if it all
[08:05] <wezzer> but now when I try to play movies with mplayer, they won't scale into fullscreen
[08:05] <karim> help me plz
[08:05] <__learner__> Im having a problem with internet connection. I have a DLINK 500T modem, on windows it works perfectly, but is not working on ubuntu, I think its strange because I had a DLINK 500G and it worked qithout any configuration. Can you help me with that?
[08:05] <karim> ^^
[08:06] <goofrider> ***fix** it all
[08:06] <dabaSlon> seveas, y9u mean append that?
[08:06] <dabaSlon> seveas, no main?
[08:06] <Octane> goofrider: should i do kubuntu-desktop since this is off a kubuntu cd?
[08:06] <dabaSlon> or is that all of them?
[08:06] <A-z-i-z> Seveas: what is breezy? is it like Hoary ?
[08:06] <tsume> frecking firefox just crashed on me
[08:06] <goofrider> Octane, yes, otherwise you'll be downloading about 300MB from the net
[08:06] <Seveas> dabaSlon, that pastebin post has all official ubuntu repositories :)
[08:06] <Seveas> A-z-i-z, breezy will be the next version of ubuntu
[08:07] <tsume> oh wait, already installed :)
[08:07] <Seveas> eeeeek
[08:07] <karim> I got this error in ~/.xession-erros when I to log in gnome :    mkdtemp : private socket dir : permission denied    anyone have an idea what is the problem ?
[08:07] <Seveas> closed-source-ickyness alert :p
[08:07] <ivoks> A-z-i-z breezy is unbuntu under development
[08:07] <tsume> now I won't have to use Konq, or Firefox
[08:07] <A-z-i-z> Is it available for download ?
[08:07] <ivoks> karim ls -dl /tmp
[08:07] <Seveas> A-z-i-z, yes, but not usable
[08:07] <ivoks> A-z-i-z don't use breezy
[08:07] <Seveas> it's broken
[08:07] <goofrider> A-z-i-z, it's rather unstable at this point
[08:07] <Seveas> it's VERY broken
[08:07] <tsume> breezy works fine
[08:07] <goofrider> A-z-i-z, wait another 2-3 months
[08:07] <Seveas> tsume, don't be a fool
[08:08] <ivoks> and it's only getting worse :)
[08:08] <A-z-i-z> i c
[08:08] <Seveas> mono == broken
[08:08] <__learner__> can you help me with that internet problem?
[08:08] <Seveas> dbus == broken
[08:08] <tsume> no, breezy is not broken at all, but don't expect to build modules for kernel by hand
[08:08] <Octane> goofrider doing apt-get install kubuntu-desktop gives me a million errors, i just cant output them because apt-get only outputs the beginning
[08:08] <tsume> Seveas: mono sucks anyway
[08:08] <Seveas> c++ transition == will be broken as of tuesday
[08:08] <ivoks> tsume some stuff are broken
[08:08] <tsume> Seveas: mono  is worthless
[08:08] <karim> ivoks: drwxr-xr-t root root
[08:08] <__learner__> Is there anything wrong with my modem, I can acess the modem though the browser
[08:08] <goofrider> Octane, try -f
[08:08] <ivoks> karim there is your problem
[08:08] <Seveas> tsume, lots of people want it though
[08:08] <A-z-i-z> I will wait.. don't like to be stuck in the middile of work :)
[08:08] <Octane> goofrider: nope
[08:08] <goofrider> Octane, oh wait... did u comment out the CDROM line in sources.list?
[08:09] <ivoks> karim shudo chmod 1777 /tmp
[08:09] <ivoks> karim sudo chmod 1777 /tmp
[08:09] <karim> ivoks: thanks
[08:09] <goofrider> Octane, u do have a bad CD,, u know
[08:09] <thundrcleeze> what is mono?
[08:09] <Octane> cd isnt even in the drive, but no, it wasnt commented out
[08:09] <newtwoubuntu> Hello. Im using the ubuntu live cd, about to install - want to know if it could be installed to external usb drive
[08:09] <goofrider> Octane, it still needs to be commented out
[08:09] <ivoks> next week, breezy will be hell :)
[08:10] <Seveas> mono = Microsoft IL interpreter
[08:10] <Seveas> used for C# apps
[08:10] <twistedpair> thundrcleeze: an open source .net implementation
[08:10] <Seveas> like beagle, which everybody seems to need desperately....
[08:11] <Octane> there we go
[08:11] <Octane> i got sshd up
[08:11] <Octane> now i can putty in and paste everything
[08:11] <Vedumluce> wow did you hurt yourself
[08:11] <goofrider> Octane, is it upgrading now???
[08:11] <flamesrock> hey guys -my friend is having huge problems with ubuntu with his amd64
[08:11] <mopp> How can I search for a packet?
[08:11] <flamesrock> 4.10 detects his via chipset and starts x
[08:11] <thundrcleeze> twistedpair, ah, so nothing I need.
[08:11] <flamesrock> but 5.04 doesn't?
[08:11] <psychonate> Why is it always, "my friend?" lol
[08:12] <psychonate> Don't these friends know how to use IRC?
[08:12] <Octane> goofrider http://pastebin.ca/11813
[08:12] <TriniTriggs> flamesrock: don't mess with the 64-bit distro
[08:12] <flamesrock> do you think 32 bit would work?
[08:12] <newtwoubuntu> Anyone know if Ubuntu could be installed on external USB drive?
[08:12] <flamesrock> whats wrong with ubuntu64 out of curiousity?
[08:12] <TriniTriggs> flamesrock:compatibility
[08:13] <Seveas> nonsense
[08:13] <TriniTriggs> flamesrock:e,g. there's no 64-bit flash yet, I don't think
[08:13] <Seveas> ubuntu64 is as good as ubuntu32
[08:13] <Seveas> it's just the flash that is missing
[08:13] <Edgan> flamesrock: it lacks multi-arch support, so any 32bit stuff has to be installed in a chroot. It is kind of hacky, but then multi-arch has it's own issues
[08:13] <A-z-i-z> what are other image manipulation/ graphics design programs ? (beside GIMP) ?
[08:13] <Chamlap`> hi guys, started running Ubuntu last night and everything is going great.  Quick question though, I want to install the citrix ica client and all citrix.com has is the rpm, is there any way for debian to still install it?
[08:13] <flamesrock> hmm..
[08:13] <goofrider> hey guys, how to u configure all pending packages in dpkg?
[08:13] <flamesrock> but so via would work equally well on 32 bit? (if it doesn't work on 5.04 hoary?)
[08:13] <Seveas> Chamlap`, alien -i <rpmfile>
[08:14] <Seveas> configure -a
[08:14] <goofrider> I forgot the cmd option, Octane  needs it
[08:14] <Seveas> dpkg --configure -a
[08:14] <Chamlap`> thanks Seveas
[08:14] <newtwoubuntu> Chamlap`, you could use alien, but you might have problems
[08:14] <goofrider> thanks Seveas
[08:14] <Chamlap`> i'll try it and see what happens
[08:14] <Octane> thanks Seveas, goofrider but that yields errors too
[08:14] <twistedpair> mopp: apt-get search searchstring
[08:14] <psychonate> Heh, apparently ESD does not play nicely with ET.
[08:14] <TriniTriggs> flames rock:don't know.  I'd give it a shot.
[08:14] <metalsand> Does anyone know any term commands to check laptop battery power?
[08:14] <Octane> my problem is with the fonts
[08:14] <mopp> twistedpair, thanks.
[08:15] <flamesrock> thanks, I'll try it
[08:15] <Octane> can i paste 5 lines
[08:15] <muwu> How do I prevent KDE 3 from hanging after it tries to  restore session?
[08:15] <Seveas> metalsand, cat /proc/acpi/battery/*/state
[08:15] <goofrider> Octane, k
[08:15] <twistedpair> mopp: or http://packages.ubuntu.com
[08:15] <Octane> Setting up ttf-opensymbol (1.1.3-8ubuntu2.3) ...
[08:15] <Octane> Updating fontconfig cache...
[08:15] <Octane> /var/lib/dpkg/info/ttf-opensymbol.postinst: line 43: 29069 Segmentation fault fc-cache -f
[08:15] <Octane> dpkg: error processing ttf-opensymbol (--configure):
[08:15] <Octane> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139
[08:15] <wezzer> does anyone have any idea why mplayer fon't scale movies to fullscreen after updating to ATI driver?
[08:15] <Seveas> Octane, sounds like you have a hopelessly broken install..
[08:15] <Edgan> flamesrock: for 64bit java you have to go to 1.4.2. There is a java 1.5 beta, but no java plugin. It isn't that hard to just use 32bit apps and such were necessary
[08:15] <flamesrock> weeeezer
[08:15] <Octane> nooooooooo!!
[08:15] <wezzer> whoops, I mean won't scale...
[08:15] <flamesrock> change the video codec
[08:15] <wezzer> flamesrock: ?
[08:16] <wezzer> into what?
[08:16] <TriniTriggs> does anyone here know why RSSOwl would have problems using Firefox as an inernal browser?
[08:16] <flamesrock> try a few different ones
[08:16] <TriniTriggs> I installed as per Starter Guide
[08:16] <metalsand> Seveas: Cool, but what about remaining time :P
[08:16] <wezzer> okay... can you give me an example
[08:16] <flamesrock> I think I'm going to stick with 32 bit for now, 64 is too experimental
[08:16] <flamesrock> I don't think he'll notice a differen't anyways
[08:16] <Chamlap`> Seveas: so where do I know where it installed it to?  It just went back to the console
[08:16] <flamesrock> let me check what I have
[08:16] <goofrider> Seveas, Octane there's got to be a way to redownload and reinstall the broken packages
[08:16] <Seveas> metalsand, cat /proc/acpi/battery/*/info
[08:16] <Seveas> and do some calculating :)
[08:17] <Octane> goofrider im sure there is, i just fonts!
[08:17] <flamesrock> xv
[08:17] <TriniTriggs> TriniTriggs:test
[08:17] <goofrider> Octane, off to read the dpkg manpages again, brb
[08:17] <Octane> look http://pastebin.ca/11814
[08:17] <Octane> goofrider look thats where the problem is
[08:17] <Seveas> Chamlap`, dunno, try dpkg -l and look for the name of the package. Then run dpkg -L <packagename>
[08:17] <Octane> thats where the pending configuration errs
[08:18] <metalsand> Seveas: It's amazing you know those commands, but it still isn't displaying "4 hours 3 minutes" left.
[08:18] <dabaSlon> haha, seg fault:)
[08:18] <metalsand> That's what I'm trying to get going
[08:18] <Seveas> metalsand, you need to calculate that yourself, but hold on, i'm in a geeky mood :)
[08:18] <metalsand> Seveas: lol, holding
[08:18] <flamesrock> let me guess, you were using the opengl drivers before, weezer
[08:18] <flamesrock> wezzer *
[08:19] <flamesrock> err codecs
[08:19] <wezzer-> umm, I used those ones which came with ubuntu
[08:19] <metalsand> Is the voltage of a laptop battery really only 14.8V?
[08:19] <wezzer-> I mean, with fresh install of ubuntu movies worked
[08:19] <dabaSlon> metalsand: does it say that on it?
[08:19] <Flav> metalsand: depends on which matter, but most are around that, yes
[08:19] <dabaSlon> :_p
[08:19] <Flav> metalsand: your car battery is 12V, ya know
[08:19] <goofrider> Octane, I just did a `dpkg -S /usr/share/fonts/truetype/arphic`
[08:20] <goofrider> here's the result: ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp, ttf-arphic-bkai00mp, ttf-arphic-gkai00mp, ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp
[08:20] <metalsand> Flav: Good to know :)
[08:20] <Octane> right
[08:20] <Octane> i tried to install those manually
[08:20] <twistedpair> does anybody know how to change the ugly menu fonts of OOo after installing the openoffice.org2 pkg?
[08:20] <goofrider> Octane, reinstall them using apt-get -f install and see if that helps
[08:20] <Octane> dan@dan:~$ sudo dpkg -S /usr/share/fonts/truetype/arphic
[08:20] <Octane> ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp, ttf-arphic-bkai00mp, ttf-arphic-gkai00mp, ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/arphic
[08:20] <wezzer> flamesrock: mplayer -vo xv foo.avi won't work :/
[08:21] <goofrider> `dpkg -S /usr/share/fonts/truetype/arphic | sudo apt-get -f install`
[08:21] <goofrider> oh wait that probly won't work  LOL
[08:21] <ryman> how do I turn .bin and .cue file ?
[08:21] <flamesrock> try xvidix or x11
[08:21] <Octane> Updating fontconfig cache...
[08:21] <Octane> /var/lib/dpkg/info/ttf-opensymbol.postinst: line 43: 29222 Segmentation fault fc-cache -f
[08:21] <Octane> dpkg: error processing ttf-opensymbol (--configure):
[08:21] <Octane> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139
[08:21] <goofrider> Octane, i need to stfu  just install them using -f and see what happends
[08:22] <drcode> any one know nice console newgroup grab for files download from newgroup in console?
[08:22] <cam> ryman: they used to be a binchunk application
[08:22] <Octane> goofrider tried that
[08:22] <wezzer> flamesrock: x11 doesn't work too, but I'll try that xvidix
[08:22] <goofrider> Octane, clear the font-cache then, maybe?
[08:22] <wezzer> xvidix doens't work neither :/
[08:23] <chungaroo> can someone help me mount a partition?
[08:23] <Octane> goofrider: do you know how to do that
[08:23] <flamesrock> try gl or gl2
[08:23] <goofrider> nope. man fc-cache said fc-cache -force
[08:23] <flamesrock> they probably won't work though
[08:23] <goofrider> Octane, fc-cache --force
[08:24] <Octane> tried that seg fault
[08:24] <dabaSlon> twistedpair: did you figure the OOo font thing out?
[08:24] <twistedpair> dabaSlon: nope, not yet
[08:24] <wezzer> flamesrock: gl2 works, but it is a bit slow
[08:24] <goofrider> Octane, apt-get -f install fc-cache
[08:24] <wezzer> I mean, if I watch something fast movie, it lags
[08:24] <Octane> no such pkg
[08:24] <goofrider> Octane, that's all I'm gonna do... kepp recursing and reinstalling until it all works
[08:24] <Octane> goofrider youve tried valiantly, i appreciate it all thank you
[08:25] <dabaSlon> twistedpair: do you know java at all? That is the default java look, I would think that changing that to gtk would be as simple as adding a one line statement...
[08:25] <wezzer> flamesrock: do you have any suggestions how to avoid typing "... -vo gl2 ..." everytime I open up movie?
[08:25] <flamesrock> yea, install gmplayer
[08:25] <flamesrock> saves a lot of time
[08:25] <goofrider> Octane, sure I did my best. If u need more help let us know but I think anymore handholding is pointless. U should be able to take it from here
[08:25] <wezzer-> umm, I hate gui
[08:25] <flamesrock> also try xine, it might work for you
[08:25] <wezzer-> I just like mplayer - it hasn't any stupid multimedia menus
[08:25] <wezzer-> just plain text-console
[08:25] <Devi0s> I've got two hds in my system.  when I boot with both connected to the power supply, sometimes they work.  other times, especially after the system is fully powered off instead of rebooted, the system will start to boot, and between 2 seconds and 4 minutes into the boot at various times, one of the drives will make a loud clicking sound and lock, and the os will freeze, be in Ubuntu or...
[08:26] <Devi0s> ...WindowsXP.  If I only connect one of the drives (either) to the power supply, this never happens.  Sounds like a bad capacitor on a hd or a bad power supply.  Anyone wanna take a stab at this one?  I don't know whether to buy a new power supply, motherboard, hd, etc...  Both drives pass the burn-in tests from Maxtor if only one is connected to the power supply...
[08:26] <wezzer-> and keyboard commands
[08:26] <flamesrock> well you can alias it in bash
[08:26] <flamesrock> I think*
[08:26] <Octane> goofrider as far as i see it, ive tried everything i can... all i know is whats causing the problem -- fc-cache registering arphic fonts
[08:26] <flamesrock> I use zsh
[08:26] <goofrider> Octane, dpkg -S and dkpg -L is useful, read the manpages about those options. U'll need them
[08:26] <twistedpair> dabaSlon: well i know java, but i think i didn't get what you wanted to tell me
[08:26] <wezzer-> flamesrock: umm, what about ~/mplayer/config -file
[08:26] <wezzer-> can I write there that?
[08:26] <wezzer-> does it work?
[08:26] <metalsand> Quick question: 2, actually. Does anyone know how to remove the topic bar at the top of IRSII, and also - how can I edit the join/part/quit messages by IRSSI?
[08:26] <flamesrock> http://www.ss64.com/bash/alias.html
[08:27] <flamesrock> I'm not sure
[08:27] <flamesrock> anyways I have to go
[08:27] <resiak> metalsand: You want to remove the topic bar why?
[08:27] <flamesrock> bbl
[08:27] <Seveas> metalsand, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/40
[08:27] <metalsand> resiak: Because I look at the topic bar once when I join, and it's just taking up space
[08:27] <jason_> I'm currently using debian testing. Can someone explain the difference between debian and ubuntu and why i might want to use ubuntu. I came from mandrake.
[08:27] <goofrider> Octane, purge and remove it. the reinstall it. just keep recursing the broken dependcies
[08:27] <Seveas> metalsand, that'll only display the hours though ;)
[08:27] <Octane> thats what im trying to do right now, removing those frggin font packages
[08:27] <sugoruyo> WTF? is something wrong with synaptic on hoary?
[08:28] <goofrider> Octane, LOL good luck
[08:28] <metalsand> Seveas: You're crazy man ;)
[08:28] <dabaSlon> twistedpair: DO YIOUU know (soorry caps) how to change the default look yiouu java app uses?
[08:28] <Seveas> sugoruyo, no
[08:28] <fonsken> how can i easily install firefox 1.0.4?
[08:28] <Octane> thanks mate
[08:28] <Seveas> metalsand, i know :D
[08:28] <resiak> metalsand: /help set , /set join , /set part, /set quit . For the topic stuffs, you'll have to write your own theme
[08:28] <Seveas> fonsken, you don't :)
[08:28] <FX|Laptop> bbl
[08:28] <sugoruyo> can someone please tell me what it is that i do wrong?
[08:28] <Seveas> ff in ubuntu is 1.0.4 security-wise
[08:28] <metalsand> Seveas: Where do I save this to have it run :P
[08:28] <Seveas> sugoruyo, if you tell us what you do
[08:28] <goofrider> Octane, sorrry that it's been such a hassle. My recovery from a bad CD installation was a breeze
[08:28] <Seveas> metalsand, in your homedir
[08:28] <Octane> godsmoke its all good, im used to this
[08:28] <Alfred1881>  hey all ,i 'd like to change my CPU, will it affect my OS ???
[08:28] <Seveas> then open a terminal and type:
[08:28] <Octane> goofrider i mean
[08:28] <fonsken> Seveas, what do you mean? :s
[08:29] <Seveas> chmod +x [the filename] 
[08:29] <ivoks> Alfred1881 no
[08:29] <Seveas> ./[the filename] 
[08:29] <webby> I am trying to make a new disk label on my usb stick, and it says my usb sticks is opened for read-only.. cans ome one help?
[08:29] <sugoruyo> ok i have an icon in the notification area that informs me that i have 17 updates available...
[08:29] <Seveas> fonsken, FF in ubuntu has all security fixes applied
[08:29] <metalsand> Do I need a certain name of the text file, Seveas? I'm sorry, but scripts are completely new to me :x
[08:29] <Seveas> so you don't have to install 1.0.4
[08:29] <Seveas> metalsand, any name you want
[08:29] <Seveas> i simply named it remaining
[08:29] <jason_> does ubuntu use debian sources?
[08:29] <Alfred1881> lk
[08:29] <twistedpair> dabaSlon: first i think you should net talk about java as there are both awt and swing
[08:29] <ivoks> fonsken firefox on ubuntu is 1.0.4, just it lies to you that it's 1.0.2
[08:29] <Seveas> jason_, sort of
[08:30] <metalsand> Seveas: What do I type to run it :x
[08:30] <jason_> Seveas, in debian you would just install from unstable
[08:30] <sugoruyo> so i say show updates
[08:30] <Seveas> metalsand, ./remaining
[08:30] <goofrider> jason^, Ubuntu has its own repo
[08:30] <metalsand> Seveas: awesome
[08:30] <Seveas> (if you are in your homedir)
[08:30] <jason_> Seveas, add an unstable source, configure testing as your default version and do apt-get -t unstable install mozilla-firefox
[08:30] <sugoruyo> i get a list and on top i see gaim
[08:30] <Seveas> metalsand, you might have to edit it a bit, since battery procfiles are system dependent
[08:30] <jason_> i have mozilla 1.7.8, firefox 1.0.4 and gaim 1.3.0 which i installed using that method
[08:30] <dabaSlon> well, twistedpair, I am not very familiar with java, but, Ill get you the code...
[08:30] <sugoruyo> you following me?
[08:30] <Seveas> jason_, bad idea...
[08:30] <goofrider> jason^, bad bad
[08:30] <Razor-X> dabaSlon: guess what?
[08:31] <thundrcleeze> jason_, ubuntu has its own repos, it's best to install from there.
[08:31] <Seveas> VERY bad idea even
[08:31] <dabaSlon> Razor-X: guess.
[08:31] <goofrider> jason^, if u must include debian main repo, pin your sources
[08:31] <Razor-X> I got me new trackball!
[08:31] <ivoks> Seveas it isn't bad idea...
[08:31] <twistedpair> dabaSlon: what the hell is the connection between OpenOffice and Java?
[08:31] <jason_> i'm confused as to the difference between debian and ubuntu
[08:31] <fonsken> when installing extions, mozilla.org says:  You must upgrade to version 1.0.4 or newer of Firefox before accessing the Mozilla Update web service
[08:31] <jason_> what's the difference?
[08:31] <Razor-X> insofar, i've been using it in Windows, can't wait to boot into Ubuntu and give it a whirl
[08:31] <goofrider> jason^, but we'd prefer u do without it
[08:31] <ivoks> Seveas that works, should work, and I hope will allways work
[08:31] <dabaSlon> twistedpair: hah, my bad, probably.
[08:31] <Seveas> fonsken, make firefox lie then ;)
[08:31] <Choubaka> jason_: ubuntu is based on debian.
[08:31] <calc> anyone know when gcc 3.4 breezy package is going to be fixed on amd64?
[08:31] <dabaSlon> Razor-X: cool, works?
[08:31] <webby> I am trying to make a new disk label on my usb stick, and it says my usb sticks is opened for read-only.. cans ome one help?
[08:31] <calc> it can't install g++-3.4 due to file conflicts
[08:31] <ivoks> fonsken open in location bar about:config
[08:32] <goofrider> fonsken, try extensionroom.mozdev.org or google for extensionmirror
[08:32] <sugoruyo> so i check gaim and click install on the bottom of the dialog
[08:32] <Choubaka> jason_: but it has predictable releases and more desktop-oriented default packages.
[08:32] <Seveas> calc, you should not use breezy yet....
[08:32] <Flav> jason_: first hit @ http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+ubuntu+difference
[08:32] <goofrider> fonsken, u might find the extensions u need without the restriction
[08:32] <Seveas> jason_ and a predictable release schedule etc...
[08:32] <dabaSlon> twistedpair: this is what I meant: http://pastebin.ca/11817 .
[08:32] <sugoruyo> it then greys out and after a little while comes back up again and there is no change
[08:32] <Razor-X> dabaSlon: well, I heard it works in Linux out of the box
[08:32] <dabaSlon> twistedpair: probably, mistaken, though:)
[08:32] <thundrcleeze> also, Choubaka, it has packages that are tailored for ubuntu.
[08:32] <jason_> Choubaka, does Ubuntu have a release like debian testing?
[08:32] <sugoruyo> wtf?
[08:32] <Razor-X> and, in Windows/Mac it does the same
[08:32] <dabaSlon> Razor-X: tried?
[08:32] <Razor-X> it's a USB HID
[08:32] <ivoks> fonsken under find, enter vendorSub
[08:32] <Razor-X> not yet, no
[08:32] <metalsand> Seveas: Says Permission denied, and when I sudo ./remaining it says unknown command
[08:32] <thundrcleeze> jason_, every 6 months there is a new release.
[08:32] <tritium> calc, there'a major C++ transition right now in breezy
[08:33] <ivoks> fonsken and change 1.0.2 to 1.0.4
[08:33] <Choubaka> jason_: not really.
[08:33] <calc> tritium: ah ok
[08:33] <ivoks> fonsken and try d/w some extensions :)
[08:33] <goofrider> jason^, Ubuntu take a snapshot of Sid every 6months, and apply our own patches
[08:33] <Razor-X> but, if worst comes to worst, i'll use the included USB => PS/2 adapter
[08:33] <goofrider> jason^, then frozen
[08:33] <jason_> i see
[08:33] <goofrider> jason^, that's the simplest way to put it
[08:33] <calc> tritium: though i'm not sure that is what is causing this, it appears someone moved files between parts of the gcc-3.4 source package and forgot to remove them from other parts
[08:33] <tritium> calc, the whole toolchain, actually
[08:33] <jason_> goofrider, so it's basically like a regular distro with predictable releases and security/bug fixes in between?
[08:33] <goofrider> jason^, yes
[08:33] <tritium> calc, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyToolchainTransition
[08:33] <jason_> and you use apt-get dist-upgrade to update every 6 months
[08:33] <Choubaka> jason_: it's not regular though.
[08:33] <calc> tritium: its a conflict between g++-3.4 and libstdc++-6-0-dev both of which are part of the same source
[08:34] <Choubaka> Because it's so damn good. :D
[08:34] <calc> tritium: ok
[08:34] <jason_> is it more stable than debian testing?
[08:34] <thundrcleeze> jason_, it's also got a helpful userbase.
[08:34] <goofrider> jason^, it's what stable is if it had a 6 months release cycle
[08:34] <Choubaka> jason_: yes.
[08:34] <Devi0s> I've got two hds in my system.  when I boot with both connected to the power supply, sometimes they work.  other times, especially after the system is fully powered off instead of rebooted, the system will start to boot, and between 2 seconds and 4 minutes into the boot at various times, one of the drives will make a loud clicking sound and lock, and the os will freeze, be in Ubuntu or...
[08:34] <Devi0s> ...WindowsXP.  If I only connect one of the drives (either) to the power supply, this never happens.  Sounds like a bad capacitor on a hd or a bad power supply.  Anyone wanna take a stab at this one?  I don't know whether to buy a new power supply, motherboard, hd, etc...  Both drives pass the burn-in tests from Maxtor if only one is connected to the power supply...
[08:34] <jason_> but not as up to date i would imagine
[08:34] <calc> tritium: thanks for the url :)
[08:34] <tritium> calc, sure :0
[08:34] <tritium> :)
[08:34] <jason_> does it have its own configuration utilities?
[08:34] <goofrider> jason^, but we have to apply our own patches to make that happen, so Debian DEBs may break Ubuntu
[08:34] <metalsand> Devi0s: What's your PSU power?
[08:34] <dabaSlon> ivoks, vendorSub is nt found here.
[08:34] <thechitowncubs> Hey, does anyone use 5.1 speakers in Ubuntu?
[08:34] <ivoks> dabaSlon i'm sure it is
[08:35] <Choubaka> goofrider: you do cooperate with debian, don't you? :p
[08:35] <thechitowncubs> Do they work perfectly in it?
[08:35] <Devi0s> metalsand: 480W
[08:35] <metalsand> Devi0s: Getting the harddrives spinning takes a lot of power to start, perahpos it's stressing your PSU power?
[08:35] <bwlang> Devi0s: your supply cant handle the load - replace it
[08:35] <metalsand> Devi0s: That can't be it. unless you have 5000 other drives :x
[08:35] <ivoks> dabaSlon general.useragent.vendorSub
[08:35] <goofrider> Choubaka, ubuntu always do their best to send patches and bugfixes upstream to Debian first
[08:35] <twistedpair> dabaSlon: i think the code's correct as it's the same with windows look&feel; but what i want to do is changing the menu font in openoffice
[08:35] <dabaSlon> ivok, haha, works.
[08:35] <Devi0s> really? 480W not enough?  how about the power circuit - think an UPS would help?
[08:35] <karljp> has anyone installed imgseek from source?
[08:35] <Thirsteh> Any idea why when reading from a CD, my PC starts lagging madly, I can't watch DVD's either... :\
[08:35] <jason_> Choubaka, thanks for the info
[08:36] <goofrider> Choubaka, as soon as a bugfix is made, not in batch at the end of release cycle
[08:36] <bwlang> dev0s: it's only 480W when it's functioning properly... i've seen then put out very noisy power if one of the caps is failing
[08:36] <Choubaka> goofrider: yeah. that's good. :)
[08:36] <dabaSlon> twistedpair: well, do you think that can be added to the source of OOo? is the source aailable? why does OOo2 not use gtk on my comp?
[08:36] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: what are your other machine specs?
[08:36] <metalsand> Devi0s: 480 is probably enough - You don't happen to have one of the newer video cards that needs like 250w along to run, do you?
[08:36] <dabaSlon> ivoks, pretty neat trick.
[08:36] <dabaSlon> hahj
[08:37] <Lars_G> Now, being serious, any ideas if there is trouble with the Ubuntu tracker? I can list (Azureus says) there's 118 seeders on the swarm, but I don't conect to a single seeder or peer.
[08:37] <thechitowncubs> What are the multimedia plans for breezy?
[08:37] <twistedpair> dabaSlon: OOo uses imho it's own graphics toolkit
[08:37] <metalsand> Devi0s: Is it a perticular hard drive that's making the clunk? If so, does that one run fine by itself?
[08:37] <Devi0s> Radeon 9800 Pro, Asus A7N8X, AthlonXP 3200+, 52x Lite-On CDRW Drive
[08:37] <thechitowncubs> The only thing that Linux does worse than Win is Audio...
[08:37] <thechitowncubs> ahh
[08:37] <dabaSlon> yeah, I thought I may be on a wrong path there.
[08:37] <twistedpair> dabaSlon: and as it's open source, the code's available
[08:37] <dabaSlon> kk.
[08:37] <Thirsteh> thechitowncubs, and running native Windows games but that's quite understandable :P
[08:38] <Devi0s> both drives seem to run fine by themselves, but I can't confirm that it's one or the other - it doesn't thump hard enough for me to distinguish where the noise/vibration coming from
[08:38] <forse_root> exists a graphic mode to manage the DMA mode?????????'?
[08:38] <Thirsteh> It's impressive though, some native windows games run better emulated in Linux
[08:38] <thechitowncubs> hehe
[08:38] <metalsand> Devi0s: Than I can't really give you a definitive answer :(
[08:39] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: what's your video card? do you have any weird super power cpu coolers on?
[08:39] <dabaSlon_wrk> Yay for ivoks, who made the extensions work!!
[08:39] <metalsand> Devi0s: If it was one that was clunking, and wasn't able to run by itself obviously it'd be the harddrive. It really doesn't seem like a lack of power so it could be the a faulty PSU...
[08:39] <ivoks> dabaSlon_wrk ;)
[08:39] <thechitowncubs> sometimes I hear crackling from my speakers when watching an xvid encoded tv show that i rippd myself :), what would cause that... plus what does PCM stand for?
[08:39] <thundrcleeze> Thirsteh, can you give some examples?
[08:39] <Devi0s> metalsand: I am gonna try getting another PSU today then...  This really pisses me off...
[08:39] <penguin_roar> just mailed a tv-out to the doclist but im curius, how do you others use your tvout?
[08:39] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: + think about PSU specs
[08:39] <goofrider> Thirsteh, thechitowncubs and Visual Studio is a showstopper as well. (some ppl have jobs that requires VS.NET)
[08:39] <Lars_G> Btw little question while I wait either download, is XOrg a painless process in ubuntu or a painfull one like in debian=
[08:39] <sugoruyo> when they say 480w they mean peak power
[08:40] <thundrcleeze> Lars_G, painless for me.
[08:40] <Thirsteh> thundrcleeze, Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne runs better in Linux through Cedega, than on Windows
[08:40] <Devi0s> it's one of those problems that you can spend a lot of money troubleshooting if you guess wrong
[08:40] <metalsand> Devi0s: If that's not the issue you can always return it, and then RMA your HDs to Maxtor
[08:40] <sugoruyo> u don't buy based on peak power that can\t be maintained
[08:40] <Lars_G> thundrcleeze: Thanks
[08:40] <goofrider> Lars_G, ubuntu did a superb job in porting xorg
[08:40] <thundrcleeze> Thirsteh, anything that runs better through standard wine? :)
[08:40] <Devi0s> does anyone think an APC would help, or is it drastically unlikely that the power circuit in my apartment is the problem...
[08:40] <metalsand> Devi0s: I agree. I think what I just said would be the most cost effective method
[08:40] <Lars_G> great!!
[08:40] <Thirsteh> thundrcleeze, that's the one I can remember off the top of my head (of course normal WC3 too), there are a few others I've experienced running better than in Windows, just can't remember the names
[08:40] <goofrider> Lars_G, I heard Debian is gonna use Ubntu
[08:40] <Thirsteh> thundrcleeze, never tried running a game through Wine :\
[08:40] <goofrider> Lars_G, I heard Debian is gonna use Ubuntu's xorg port for themselves as well
[08:41] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: that's highly unlikely
[08:41] <Thirsteh> thundrcleeze, so I can't say... I would suppose WC3/WC3FT would run superb through wWine too
[08:41] <Lars_G> goofrider: It'd do them good ;)
[08:41] <Lars_G> lol
[08:41] <karljp> anyone got imgseek working with python 2.4?
[08:41] <karljp> or on ubuntu at all?
[08:41] <goofrider> Lars_G, that was when I went with Ubuntu, cuz it was the only Debian-based distro that switched to xorg.
[08:41] <Devi0s> sugoruyo: I thought so too - hope we're right
[08:41] <goofrider> that was ***why**
[08:42] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: what are your drives again?
[08:42] <Xgates> hey all
[08:42] <xfSx> oi
[08:42] <penguin_roar> hello Xgates
[08:42] <Devi0s> two mator pata6 120GB
[08:42] <Xgates> say how is it with getting dvdrip in Ubuntu now?
[08:42] <Devi0s> maxtor
[08:42] <Xgates> any better for transcode, dependancies?
[08:42] <goofrider> Devi0s, maxtor?? I ph33r 4 u
[08:43] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: these need power...
[08:43] <Lars_G> Well i'll keep praying the tracker or seeders start working
[08:43] <Lars_G> see you all
[08:43] <ivoks> herve having fun :)
[08:43] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: what about gfx card?
[08:43] <goofrider> Lars_G, l8rz
[08:43] <Devi0s> Radeon 9800.   well, I'm off to buy a 550W PSU...
[08:43] <Devi0s> heh
[08:43] <penguin_roar> Devi0s, you should get a server PSU ;D
[08:44] <goofrider> Devi0s, nah u just want a high wuality PSU that provide a steady voltage
[08:44] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: goofrider is right
[08:44] <Devi0s> I'm limited to best buy, circuit city, or compusa if I want it today.
[08:44] <penguin_roar> Devi0s, i like IBM PSU
[08:44] <goofrider> penguin_roar, it's only 2x 120GB drive + R9800. It's not THAT loaded
[08:44] <Xgates> anyone installed dvdrip?
[08:44] <goofrider> Devi0s, u got a P4?
[08:44] <ChrisC_> easy question for you guys:  where's the file that configures the apt repositories?
[08:44] <goofrider> Devi0s, Prescott?
[08:44] <Devi0s> AthlonXP 3200+
[08:45] <encKe`> any1 here use Synergy?
[08:45] <metalsand> hey ivoks: Seveas made me this script: http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/40 and I saved the code to bat in ~, how do I run it in term?
[08:45] <goofrider> Devi0s, XP 3200+ is not a power hog at all
[08:45] <encKe`> trying to get it load @ boot
[08:45] <Devi0s> all running on an ASUS 87N8X Deluxe.
[08:45] <A-z-i-z> ChrisC: /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:45] <Devi0s> NForce2 chipset
[08:45] <mdJake> does anybody managed to use the OO.o 2.0 beta Firefox/Mozilla plugin? I can't find it in the latest build (100)
[08:45] <sugoruyo> i run an amd64 3200, 1gig of ram 6600gt on pcie and 2 seagate 200gig drives + cooling for that + a dvd burner 16x
[08:45] <sugoruyo> and have only 475w psu
[08:45] <ChrisC_> A-z-i-z: thanks!
[08:45] <metalsand> I'm rolling a 1.6Ghz Centrino on my lappy I'm using now and a P42.4c@3.1Ghz on my desktop
[08:45] <A-z-i-z> ChrisC_: welcome
[08:46] <goofrider> Devi0s, if u have power issues, it has to do with the fact that you might have a cheap PSU with cheap voltage  regulators
[08:46] <kushboy> Hello, I need to log into a terminal without X. How do I get back into X once I'm done there, without restarting?
[08:46] <sugoruyo> it's just high quality psu
[08:46] <sugoruyo> it can output 475w max
[08:46] <sugoruyo> but on constant power it can give u about 450w all the time without probs
[08:46] <goofrider> I run a Celeron 2.4G + 3x HDD + burner on a 350W PSU
[08:46] <HappyFool> kushboy: /etc/init.d/gdm restart might do it
[08:47] <sugoruyo> that's the kind of PSU u need
[08:47] <sugoruyo> good one
[08:47] <kushboy> '/etc/init.d/gdm restart' like that?
[08:47] <ChrisC_> OK, back with an apt question since I thought I knew what I was doing, but I don't :) ...
[08:47] <HappyFool> kushboy: 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart'
[08:47] <Xgates> I was a little short on change so I bought a TT 430 psu for $40 hehe
[08:47] <Xgates> seems to be working nice
[08:47] <sugoruyo> u only need a lot of power if u have like a beast or something
[08:47] <mdJake> mine is P4 3066 HT 1 G Dual DDR 160 HDD Radeon 9800 Pro on a 420W PSU
[08:47] <Devi0s> it shouldn't be cheap - it's an antec true power... might be faulty, but isn't that a decent PSU?
[08:47] <metalsand> What's the basic command to move a file?
[08:47] <HappyFool> i have a critical supertux question. i'm stuck at this brown wall with a 'Run' sign. what now?
[08:47] <kushboy> thanks a bunch
[08:47] <ChrisC_> when I go to install a package it prompts for CD, but I want it to get it from the network so I don't have to bother with the CD.  Where do I set that priority so it gets from the network if available?
[08:47] <HappyFool> metalsand: mv
[08:48] <metalsand> HappyFool: Thanks :] 
[08:48] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: decent but maybe faulty
[08:48] <mdJake> does anybody managed to use the OO.o 2.0 beta Firefox/Mozilla plugin? I can't find it in the latest build (100)
[08:48] <sugoruyo> WTF? is something wrong with synaptic on hoary?
[08:49] <Octane> hey goofrider looks like i got it
[08:49] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: why?
[08:49] <sugoruyo> ok i have an icon in the notification area that informs me that i have 17 updates available...
[08:49] <sugoruyo> so i say show updates
[08:49] <HappyFool> no supertux players here ? *sob*
[08:49] <karljp> hah! you can't use ccache with imgseek
[08:49] <sugoruyo> i get a list and on top i see gaim
[08:49] <sugoruyo> so i check gaim and click install on the bottom of the dialog
[08:50] <sugoruyo> it then greys out and after a little while comes back up again and there is no change
[08:50] <Kev12343> hi there, i just iunstalled ubuntu, in gnome it recognizes an external storage device, but in kde when i plug the thing in nothing happens, no icon on the dekstop
[08:50] <Thirsteh> Gaaah... DMA on makes my DVD playback very very laggy, DMA off makes it... just annoyingly laggy :(
[08:50] <Thirsteh> And I don't have a slow system
[08:50] <Thirsteh> gah-ness
[08:51] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: can u help?
[08:51] <aquarius> Is there a newer replacement for tripwire? The GPLed tripwire source from tripwire.sf.net (which is what's packaged for Debian/Ubuntu) is from 2001.
[08:51] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: hrm. when you say 'show updates' do you mean 'Apply' ?
[08:51] <HappyFool> i don't see a 'show updates' button
[08:52] <ChrisC_> HappyFool: I think he was talking about the red  update notification you get in the upper right corner of the screen
[08:52] <ChrisC_> you won't see it if you have no pending updates
[08:52] <Xgates> Thirsteh: yeah video playback for me last month when I first installed Ubuntu to check it out lagged too, and I compiled xine from scratch, custome compiled the kernel and killed almost all of the serivces so the box would be running pretty clean and I still had problems
[08:52] <HappyFool> ah
[08:52] <sugoruyo> i mean i right-click the icon on the notification area of the top panel which informs of 17 updates and it has a choice to show updates
[08:52] <Xgates> Thirsteh: didn't think about the DMA though hmm
[08:52] <Thirsteh> Xgates,  :(
[08:52] <sugoruyo> so i get a list of available updates
[08:52] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: hrm, try starting synaptic and clicking reload ?
[08:53] <Thirsteh> Xgates, if I'm copying files from CD, the same thing happens, my system goes unstable until it's done
[08:53] <ChrisC_> back to my question :) ... I'll rephrase ...
[08:53] <sugoruyo> i do that but it just does the same thing
[08:53] <Lars_G> Is there a real need for Kubuntu?
[08:53] <Thirsteh> Rather annoying...
[08:53] <ChrisC_> when I go to install a package it prompts for CD, but I want it to get it from the network so I don't have to bother with the CD.  Where do I set that priority so it gets from the network if available?
[08:53] <Xgates> so I just built a  new box, sitting here in XP thinking do I want to try Ubuntu again, another distro or just stick Slack back in
[08:53] <Xgates> hmmm
[08:53] <ChrisC_> using apt/synaptic of course
[08:53] <Lars_G> I mean, can't you get ubuntu and install the lattest kde with apt?
[08:53] <HappyFool> ChrisC_: how about just removing the CD from your repository list?
[08:54] <ChrisC_> hmmmm ...
[08:54] <HappyFool> ChrisC_: in Synaptic, click Settings -> Repositories
[08:54] <ivoks> Xgates well... don't fix if it isn't broken
[08:54] <Xgates> Thirsteh: I've been surfing distrowatch for the last hour thinking to install another distro, after 5 years in Slack, I'm getting a bit tired and out of time for compiling all the time, LOL
[08:54] <Thirsteh> Xgates, lol
[08:55] <Thirsteh> Does anyone know how to turn MTRR for your graphics card on?
[08:55] <Octane> do you people recommend to also apt-get ubuntu-desktop if you are install kubuntu-desktop?
[08:55] <Xgates> ivoks: well it didnt run good to begin with so I tried and still no good
[08:55] <Thirsteh> xine-check says my card supports it, but it's not turned on
[08:55] <HappyFool> Lars_G: obviously it matters enough to some people
[08:55] <ChrisC_> HappyFool: yeah, I know I can delete it there .. just wondering where the priorities are set.  I stumbled on it a couple days ago
[08:55] <puvneet> does any one know how i can download xine with synaptic
[08:55] <HappyFool> Lars_G: anyway, isn't kde only available because of kubuntu?
[08:55] <Xgates> anyone played with the latest Arch
[08:55] <HappyFool> ChrisC_: ah. sorry, don't know
[08:55] <ivoks> Xgates ubuntu/debian are best distros, IMHO
[08:55] <Xgates> Arch seems ok but that killed the /doc and info is a bit corny hehe
[08:55] <HappyFool> ChrisC_: actually, i wish mine did ask for the CD! it never does
[08:55] <puvneet> or a program like that, that will play .avi files
[08:56] <HappyFool> ChrisC_: so if you find out let me know ;)
[08:56] <puvneet> help please
[08:56] <HappyFool> puvneet: see ubuntuguide.org
[08:56] <ChrisC_> HappyFool: yeah, and that's why I don't want to delete the CD entry; I might need it someday when the DSL goes south or something
[08:56] <hybrid> puvneet: mplayer plays avi's
[08:56] <Xgates> ivoks: Debian might have a edge up on Ubuntu on stability at the moment, and speed
[08:56] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: so do u know what that might be?
[08:57] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: did you try doing 'Reload' in synaptic?
[08:57] <puvneet> i don't know how to compile so i have to use synaptic
[08:57] <sugoruyo> yeah and i get the same problem
[08:57] <ivoks> Xgates not quite true
[08:57] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: i had some issues earlier with packages not being authenticated (from ubuntu main, i think), and a Reload fixed it
[08:57] <ivoks> Xgates debian stable is hard as rock... but in a year or two it will be obsolete
[08:58] <HappyFool> puvneet: ubuntuguide.org will tell you how to install media players with synaptic
[08:58] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: i don't get any error messages
[08:58] <puvneet> ok i'll try that
[08:58] <ivoks> Xgates ubuntu, on the oder hand, is very stable as desktop distro, and has liftime of 6-18 months
[08:58] <penguin_roar> ivoks, a server is best stable, not desktop style moving target
[08:58] <sugoruyo> i just tell it to install, it becomes grey and then comes back and nothing has changed....
[08:59] <ivoks> Xgates and don't forget... ubuntu is developet by debian developers, too
[08:59] <penguin_roar> anyone have tvout working?
[08:59] <ivoks> penguin_roar i agree
[08:59] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: have you started synaptic and clicked 'Reload' yet ?
[08:59] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: YES! i have already told u
[08:59] <Thirsteh> Xgates, I just fixed the problem!!!
[08:59] <Xgates> ivoks: I know all about them :-)
[08:59] <ivoks> he could give packaging to someone else
[09:00] <Thirsteh> Xgates, I just turned Multi mode DMA2 or something on, and it runs smooth now
[09:00] <Xgates> Thirsteh: what did you do?
[09:00] <Xgates> Thirsteh: how?
[09:00] <HappyFool> ok, click 'Mark all upgrades' and 'Apply'
[09:00] <Thirsteh> Xgates, sudo hdparm -d1 -X34 /dev/cdrom
[09:00] <Kimppa> hello... quick question. I managed to f* up this somehow. I booted X with alt+ctrl+backspace, but it just closed x without rebooting it... how can I get back to the login screen?
[09:01] <Thirsteh> I wonder how to set xfermode to 34 in hdparm.conf :|
[09:01] <HappyFool> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:01] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: it tells me i have 17 updateable packages, but when i start up synaptic and select mark all upgrades and nothing gets marked...
[09:01] <penguin_roar> ctrl alt F7 ?
[09:01] <HappyFool> assuming you're running gnome
[09:01] <Xgates> Thirsteh: hmm I thought we are more concerned for DMA on the hdd not a cdrom
[09:01] <Xgates> hehe
[09:01] <tritium> Kimppa, do as HappyFool says, after switching to a virtual console
[09:01] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: erm
[09:01] <Thirsteh> Xgates, well my CD/DVD drive was the problem here, and that fixed it :)
[09:01] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: so 'Apply' stays grayed out ?
[09:02] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: that sounds screwy
[09:02] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: on synaptic yeah
[09:02] <Kimppa> heh, alt+f7 was the first thing I tried before coming here :)
[09:02] <Xgates> Thirsteh: well for me I was playing a movie off the hdd
[09:02] <Kimppa> HappyFool: thanks, I'll give it a shot
[09:02] <Thirsteh> Xgates, ahhh okay
[09:02] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: how about 'sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade' at the terminal
[09:02] <Xgates> Thirsteh: maybe I can run something like that on the hdd then
[09:02] <Xgates> oh well
[09:02] <Thirsteh> Xgates, maybe
[09:02] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: but when i right click and tell it to show updates it will show a list of updates ok?
[09:03] <Xgates> still thinking on what Distro I want to fiddle with again
[09:03] <Xgates> lol
[09:03] <waseem> hi how do i restart mozilla firefox without restarting my computer?
[09:03] <thechitowncubs> sudo killall -9 firefox-bin
[09:03] <puvneet> how do you do a sudo-apt
[09:04] <Kimppa> HappyFool: didn't work. It says gdm is not the default display manager. I was running fluxbox when it all happened
[09:04] <puvneet> where so you type sudo apt
[09:04] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: that seems to do something
[09:04] <puvneet> i'm new to ubuntu
[09:04] <thechitowncubs> in the terminal
[09:04] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: it's started getting the packages it needs to update
[09:05] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: i still don't get the problem with synaptic though
[09:05] <waseem> http://ubuntuguide.org/#loadwebsitefasterfirefox
[09:05] <waseem> i made all the changes, but when i restart and go back, the changes remain unchanged
[09:05] <Kimppa> any other ideas or do I have to reboot?
[09:05] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: me either
[09:05] <HappyFool> Kimppa: how about looking in /etc/init.d for something that might belong to xfce ?
[09:05] <sugoruyo> well after the updates are done i'll reboot and see if it works
[09:06] <HappyFool> Kimppa: or maybe even xdm or something?
[09:06] <sugoruyo> but i think my install is broken :(
[09:07] <HappyFool> Kimppa: there's always good old startx, but that won't give you a login screen
[09:09] <webby> how do u mount a fat16 file system?
[09:09] <veritas> HappyFool: If I saved http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/39 that code as bat in ~, how would I run it?
[09:10] <HappyFool> one sec...
[09:10] <HappyFool> what's a kaarsemaker ? candle maker?
[09:10] <veritas> HappyFool: No idea. Seveas made that code for me
[09:10] <HappyFool> veritas: i don't think you want to run this file
[09:10] <HappyFool> it looks like and /etc/sudoers file
[09:10] <puvneet> i downloaded mplayer how can i install it
[09:11] <veritas> HappyFool: Why not?
[09:11] <tritium> veritas, that's not code.  That is your sudoers file
[09:11] <puvneet> how do i open a terminal
[09:11] <ike> veritas: what are you trying to accomplish with that file?
[09:11] <veritas> Oh, rofl... I linked to the wrong page
[09:11] <ike> puvneet: if you're logged in, right click on the desktop and select "open terminal" from the context menu.
[09:11] <HappyFool> ah
[09:11] <veritas> http://paAstebin.kaarsemaker.net/40
[09:11] <puvneet> help
[09:11] <toran> what is a command-line program I could use to play WAV's?
[09:11] <HappyFool> that explains much
[09:11] <HappyFool> ;)
[09:11] <veritas> Hahhaha, that's the right code
[09:11] <tritium> veritas, you should be able to edit /etc/sudoers with "sudo visudo"
[09:12] <puvneet> ok i'll try that
[09:12] <veritas> tritium: I accidently linked to the wrong file :x
[09:12] <toran> "play" doesn't seem to come with ubuntu
[09:12] <veritas> sorry.
[09:12] <tritium> veritas, ;)
[09:12] <karim> hi
[09:12] <Kimppa> HappyFool: I tried startx before coming here, it loaded gnome but gnome was all messed, meaning all menus were missing, well actually, everything was missing and nothing was working, just two gray "girders"
[09:12] <karim> I don't understand why there is apache and apache2
[09:12] <karim> what must I use ?
[09:12] <Kimppa> HappyFool: so I tried kdm which worked
[09:12] <ike> veritas: if you saved it as 'bla', do: cd; sh bla
[09:12] <concept10> Will it be possible to upgrade from Hoary to Breezy once it is released?
[09:12] <hybrid> yes
[09:12] <ike> karim: apache2. apache1 is no longer supported.
[09:12] <concept10> using synaptic or apt-get
[09:12] <Kimppa> HappyFool: KDE and fluxbox works, but gnome is still messed up
[09:12] <HappyFool> veritas: you can either do 'bash filename'
[09:12] <hybrid> either or i believe
[09:13] <HappyFool> veritas: or 'chmod a+x filename'
[09:13] <navyn> i am trying to read a ntfs drive, and it says hdd1 does not exist.  I have a drive hda1 - xp, hdb1-ubuntu, hdc-cdrom, and another ntfs data drive, why won't it show up?  Please help
[09:13] <karim> ike, so why some applications try to install it ?
[09:13] <HappyFool> veritas: and then ./filename
[09:13] <puvneet> I CAN'T TYPE IN MY PASSWORD
[09:13] <veritas> HappyFool: Do I hve to do the chmod/bash command everytime I want to run it?
[09:13] <puvneet> IT WON'T SHOW ANYTHING
[09:13] <HappyFool> veritas: no
[09:13] <hybrid> nah
[09:13] <ike> puvneet: please stop yelling. where are you trying to type in your password?
[09:13] <veritas> Ah. Cool, thanks :)
[09:13] <hybrid> puvneet: it is typing
[09:13] <HappyFool> veritas: chmod makes it an executable file
[09:14] <HappyFool> sorry, should have made that clear
[09:14] <gibeau> how do i setup my computer to allow incoming ssh?
[09:14] <ike> puvneet: if it's at the sudo prompt, there's no echo, that's fine. just type in your password and hit enter.
[09:14] <hybrid> puvneet: just type it like normal then hit enter
[09:14] <veritas> and bash does?
[09:14] <puvneet> i don't see anything and when i press enter it says try again
[09:14] <ryman> puvneet, the best way to get mplay and stuffs is http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:14] <HappyFool> Kimppa: sorry, not too clued up on that. you said /etc/init.d/gdm doesn't work though?
[09:14] <puvneet> i did
[09:14] <HappyFool> Kimppa: do you have the ubuntu-desktop package installed ?
[09:15] <kushboy> I just set up dual monitors with TwinView. Is there any way to expand the bottom or top panel across both screens?
[09:15] <tony> Hey, I just got Kubuntu installed and I'm trying to get some other applications Via APT. Most of them I could get under straight Debian, but not Ubuntu. What sources do I need add, and will that cause any compatibility issues if I head the warnings?
[09:15] <hybrid> tony: have universe enabled?
[09:15] <tony> Explain please?
[09:15] <Kimppa> HappyFool: yeah, it told me that gdm isn't my primary display manager, although I use gnome as default
[09:15] <gibeau> kushboy: how did you setup dual monitors? curious cause i wanna do it as well
[09:16] <veritas> Hrmmm. Now it's saying "Not on battery"
[09:16] <toran> what can I use to play .WAV's from the command line?
[09:16] <veritas> I don't think it works :(
[09:16] <hybrid> tony: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:16] <Bramme> how can i completely disable esound in my OS, i think it sucks and want to use alsa only
[09:16] <hybrid> toran: mplayer
[09:16] <Kimppa> would apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop -> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop fix my problem?
[09:16] <HappyFool> Kimppa: erm
[09:16] <Bramme> i can't just remove it :(
[09:16] <tony> Mk
[09:16] <jeroen_> Kimppa, ubuntu-desktop is an empty package
[09:16] <Kimppa> Hmm...
[09:16] <Kimppa> bugger
[09:16] <hybrid> tony: then look for the url with hoary universe in it
[09:16] <navyn> can someone help me with a hard drive issue?
[09:16] <HappyFool> Kimppa: no, it's just a met-package of some sort
[09:16] <jeroen_> Kimppa, it just depends on other packages needed for the "ubuntu-desktop"
[09:16] <HappyFool> meta
[09:16] <hybrid> make sure there is no # in front of it
[09:17] <kushboy> gibeau: What card do you have?
[09:17] <Kimppa> ok... so do you have any ideas how to fix gnome?
[09:17] <tony> Thanks
[09:17] <hybrid> tony: np
[09:17] <kushboy> how do I talk to a single person?
[09:17] <resiak> kushboy: /msg resiak OMG CYBAR?!?!?!lololol
[09:17] <Xgates> Thirsteh: you gonna be around for awhile?
[09:17] <HappyFool>  /query <nick>
[09:17] <hybrid> kushboy: /msg
[09:18] <webby> fuck
[09:18] <kushboy> haha, thanks
[09:18] <Kimppa> I tried accessing gnome through another user but I had the same proble - although I do not know how x config files are saved, global or user wise :-/
[09:18] <webby> can some one he lp me with my usb stick?
[09:18] <tony> Does Ubuntu have a full deb package listing on their site or anything? Or is it all the standard debians plus a few Buntu specific?
[09:18] <gibeau> kushboy: nvidia ti 4200
[09:18] <HappyFool> Kimppa: well, if you feel like hacking, they're all under /etc/X11
[09:19] <RadicalEdward> is there an german support for ubuntu?
[09:19] <tony> Anyone also know where I can get Windows codecs for Ubuntu/
[09:19] <HappyFool> Kimppa: the file /etc/X11/default-display-manager is suggestive ;)
[09:19] <Kimppa> HappyFool: I don't feel like that, because I'm quite new to Linux :P
[09:19] <HappyFool> RadicalEdward: try /join #ubuntu-de ?
[09:19] <dlh> tony ask mplayer
[09:19] <RadicalEdward> thx
[09:19] <hybrid> tony: Ubuntu has differnt builds
[09:20] <HappyFool> Kimppa: try 'cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager' ?
[09:20] <tony> Hoary Ubuntu I guess then?
[09:20] <Kimppa> /usr/bin/kdm
[09:20] <Kimppa> change that to gdm?
[09:20] <Simpleton> anyone know how to install directx for cedega?
[09:20] <Kimppa> and boot x?
[09:21] <Ghetek> why cant i type?
[09:21] <Ghetek> oh
[09:21] <bassMonkey> hi, I'd need to mount a .bin cd-image whit the following cue-file content "FILE " BINARY
[09:21] <HappyFool> Kimppa: hrm
[09:21] <bassMonkey> damn, nevermind
[09:21] <Kimppa> although, I do not see how that would help anything
[09:22] <HappyFool> Kimppa: i dunno. i guess your gnome is still broken
[09:22] <Kimppa> exactly
[09:22] <HappyFool> so starting gdm probably won't fix anything
[09:22] <Kimppa> agreed
[09:22] <HappyFool> Kimppa: how did you install?
[09:22] <Kimppa> can I reinstall gnome somehow?
[09:22] <Ghetek> is the kubuntu channel working?
[09:22] <Kimppa> gnome? It came as default
[09:23] <HappyFool> i wonder what'll happen if you erase all the .gnome directories
[09:23] <Kimppa> I installed kde yesterday via apt-get
[09:23] <Ribs> every time I print from Gimp, the colours are inverted... How do I fix this?
[09:23] <Xgates> Simpleton: they are just patched against cedega is my understanding there is no DirectX install
[09:23] <mattgirv> just invert the image you want to print
[09:23] <mattgirv> lol
[09:23] <Ribs> hrm
[09:24] <Riddell> Ghetek: certainly is
[09:24] <Ribs> surely this is a major bug tho?
[09:24] <Ghetek> cant get into it
[09:24] <Ghetek> i was just in there
[09:24] <mattgirv> hmm well i dont have that problem
[09:24] <Ribs> so what could be wrong here?
[09:24] <navyn> i am trying to read a ntfs drive, and it says hdd1 does not exist.  I have a drive hda1 - xp, hdb1-ubuntu, hdc-cdrom, and another ntfs data drive, why won't it show up?  Please help
[09:24] <Ribs> I've not messed with Gimp at all, other than selecting my printer...
[09:25] <navyn> i can see my xp drive just fine
[09:25] <HappyFool> Kimppa: my only guess, which might break things even more ;) is to erase the .gnome directories in your home directory
[09:26] <HappyFool> Kimppa: maybe ask again later when other gurus are on
[09:26] <tony> When Apt-get Updating, I get this-
[09:26] <HappyFool> err, that is, real gurus ;)
[09:26] <tony> Err http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-extras/main Packages
[09:26] <tony>   500 Internal Server Error
[09:26] <tony> Helps? :'(
[09:26] <kushboy> my version of libc6 (2.3.2.ds1-22) is causing problems. how do I go back to an older version?
[09:26] <Kimppa> HappyFool: hehe... I don't think that will help either
[09:26] <navyn> but i've tried mounting the data ntfs drive, and it says hdd1 does not exist.  am i assuming the wrong drive letter for it?
[09:26] <Kimppa> because as I said, I tried logging in to gnome with another username
[09:26] <HappyFool> navyn: what does 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdd' say?
[09:26] <Kimppa> and had the same problem
[09:26] <Octane> does someone know what may be causing this http://pastebin.ca/11821
[09:27] <HappyFool> ah
[09:27] <Kimppa> so it's a system wide problem
[09:27] <_nate> does gnome use gtk?
[09:27] <Octane> _nate yes
[09:27] <_nate> i can't remember
[09:27] <navyn> nothing
[09:27] <_nate> Octane: thanks
[09:27] <navyn> it just hits back to my prompt
[09:27] <_nate> does ubuntu use gtk+ 2, or 1?
[09:27] <kushboy> how do I revert back to an older package without it deleting all the dependent stuff?
[09:28] <Octane> _nate i assume 2 although some apps still use 1
[09:28] <HappyFool> Kimppa: your idea of reinstalling gnome sounds good, but i don't know how to do that
[09:28] <HappyFool> navyn: you're sure the drive is connected etc ?
[09:28] <_nate> Octane: I'm installing glade, and there's one for gtk+ and gtk+ 2
[09:29] <navyn> fatal error cannot open disk drive if i use cfdisk
[09:29] <Octane> get for 2
[09:29] <navyn> yes i can see the drive when i boot to windows
[09:29] <HappyFool> hm
[09:29] <tony> Err http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-extras/main Packages
[09:29] <tony>   500 Internal Server Error
[09:29] <_nate> Octane: I am now :)
[09:29] <tony> When apt-get updating
[09:29] <HappyFool> navyn: and it's on the second ide bus, slaved ?
[09:29] <tony> Why am I getting that after adding multiverse?
[09:30] <navyn> its slaved on my cdrom
[09:30] <navyn> ide
[09:30] <HappyFool> tony: the repository server is broken, at a guess?
[09:30] <HappyFool> navyn: what's the output of ls /proc/ide
[09:31] <Kimppa> HappyFool: yeah, I'll guess I have to give that a shot
[09:31] <navyn> hda  hdb  hdc  ide0  ide1
[09:31] <navyn> so do you think it is like ide1 or ide0?
[09:31] <HappyFool> navyn: well, linux isn't seeing hdd at all
[09:32] <HappyFool> navyn: afaik, all the ide devices visible will be listed there (hda, hdb, and hdc are listed)
[09:32] <navyn> but what is the ide0 and ide1 ?
[09:32] <navyn> should i try and mount one of those?
[09:32] <HappyFool> no
[09:32] <guerby> hi, I just installed ubuntu 5.04 on my amd64, however I see only one of the three disks (2 IDE, 1 SATA), is there a graphical tool to add partitions mount?
[09:32] <HappyFool> this is just an informational listing
[09:33] <HappyFool> anyway mounting a bus wouldn't be sensible
[09:33] <tony> Does anyone here have a sources.list that includes universe/multiverse that works currently with apt-get update that I could copy? Comething must obviously be wrong with mine
[09:33] <HappyFool> navyn: the fact that hdd is not in the list means that linux can't see it, for some reason
[09:33] <navyn> i'm just trying to figure out why i can see it in windows, but not in linux
[09:34] <navyn> it has all my music and stuff on that drive, and thats the only one i care for it to see
[09:34] <thundrcleeze> tony, there's a sample file under ubuntuguide.org
[09:34] <HappyFool> tony: you can put your sources.list up at one of the paste-bins for us to look at
[09:34] <_nate> what packages do i need to install in order to use perl to perform ssh?
[09:35] <tony> paste-bins..? lol
[09:35] <tony> sorry
[09:36] <HappyFool> navyn: i don't what the problem is. maybe try swapping the master/slave arrangement of the hard drive and cd-rom ?
[09:36] <HappyFool> tony: http://rafb.net/paste/
[09:36] <Razor-X> I have a very stupid question, but I shall still ask
[09:36] <navyn> make the cdrom the slave?
[09:37] <Razor-X> is there a Progress Quest port for Linux?
[09:37] <HappyFool> navyn: yeah
[09:37] <HappyFool> navyn: but your problem is pretty weird, i don't know why it would happen
[09:37] <navyn> well i guess if i don't have any other options.
[09:37] <HappyFool> navyn: i was under the impression that ide was pretty solid under linux
[09:37] <navyn> yeah i agree
[09:38] <tony> http://rafb.net/paste/results/rRj6Dn19.html
[09:39] <HappyFool> tony: it's the multiverse (i.e., backports) entry that's giving you problems ?
[09:40] <navyn> i'll give it a shot i guess. thanks for the help
[09:40] <tony> Yes
[09:41] <klaas_> WIEEE new topspeed in tuxracer
[09:41] <klaas_> 218 km/h
[09:41] <Helmutt> Hi everybody!
[09:41] <Helmutt> I've got a problem with totem... when I try to start it by opening a file or starting it with the menu it gives me an error... but the only thing it says is "Totem could not start up Resource busy or not available"
[09:41] <Helmutt> Got any idea what's wrong?
[09:41] <HappyFool> tony: well, if i browse to http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports, it looks like their svn setup is broken
[09:42] <klaas_> what are you trying to open,
[09:42] <klaas_> are you opening a file? or just starting up totem?
[09:42] <Helmutt> .flac and .wav
[09:42] <Helmutt> both
[09:42] <tony> Ok, thank you
[09:42] <klaas_> hmmmm
[09:42] <HappyFool> tony: try again later, or tomorrow, maybe it'll be working again
[09:43] <Hoxzer> Hmm... How the mp3 players should work with Linux ubuntu?
[09:43] <Hoxzer> im thinking of buying creative muvo slim 1024 MB
[09:43] <klaas_> goh, i realy don't know, if it also comes when you just open totem by apps, it can't be the codecs
[09:43] <iVolution> the only way i can connect to the internet on the computer i'm setting up ubuntu is via wireless. however, i need to install the ndiswrapper packages. how i can i do this? i'm running into permission problems because i can't sudo passwd root because of hostname registration probelms.
[09:44] <Xgates> does ubuntu compile like debian does from apt, I forgot I guess there are known as src.deb?
[09:45] <Helmutt> klaas_: no I don't think it's the codecs...
[09:45] <HappyFool> Xgates: apt-get has a 'source' command which gets source
[09:45] <klaas_> hmm
[09:45] <veritas> How can I save a print screen as a jpeg?
[09:45] <klaas_> moment, i'l look
[09:45] <Xgates> HappyFool: ok
[09:45] <hybrid> veritas: yes
[09:45] <HappyFool> veritas: System -> Take Screenshot
[09:46] <klaas_> yes
[09:46] <klaas_> i know helmutt
[09:46] <veritas> can i just rename the file tp .jpg?
[09:46] <HappyFool> veritas: not sure what formats it supports, but you can always convert the .png file to .jpg with gimp
[09:46] <klaas_> go to the synaptic
[09:46] <Helmutt> kk
[09:46] <HappyFool> veritas: see what happens, i'm not sure
[09:46] <veritas> Is gimp included in Ubuntu?
[09:46] <veritas> Looks like
[09:47] <tiggggr> it is, yeah
[09:47] <ShadowRage> lsdldoom: relocation error: lsdldoom: undefined symbol: open_music
[09:47] <nobile> yes
[09:47] <ShadowRage> lsdldoom: relocation error: lsdldoom: undefined symbol: music_mixer
[09:47] <klaas_> helmut, go to the synaptic, go to the list, type totem, when you see it, you do -> mark for uninstallation / after you done that, you apply the changes
[09:47] <HappyFool> veritas: no, just rename it
[09:47] <HappyFool> veritas: it worked here
[09:47] <ShadowRage> and this is an ubuntu package
[09:47] <HappyFool> veritas: i mean, in the Take Snapshot dialog box
[09:47] <ShadowRage> with ubuntu's SDL
[09:47] <Helmutt> klaas_: wich of them there are two....
[09:48] <Helmutt> totem and totem_gstreamer
[09:48] <klaas_> when you've done that, close and re open the synaptic, type totem again, you'll see it isn't marked, when it isn't marked, that's a good sing, right click and do : mark for installation
[09:48] <klaas_> moment
[09:48] <klaas_> i'll look
[09:48] <veritas> HappyFool: Cool, I'll try it
[09:48] <sbcl3> does anyone know how to change the gnome splash theme?
[09:48] <klaas_> helmutt : wich are marked?
[09:48] <alxconn> Could someone help me fix my resolution... please... I'm only getting 800x600, and I need 1024x768 @60hz
[09:48] <Helmutt> both ;)
[09:48] <Klaas> names?
[09:48] <Helmutt> totem and totem_gstreamer
[09:48] <Klaas> totem and totem-xine?
[09:48] <Klaas> okej
[09:49] <PhantomFreak> Is there a nice easy way to edit the GRUB boot loader settings
[09:49] <Helmutt> Klaas, swedish?
[09:49] <sbcl3> alxconn: i think you need to edit xorg.config found in /etc/x11
[09:49] <Klaas> no, just a litle bit ;)
[09:49] <Klaas> ok
[09:49] <Helmutt> kk :D
[09:49] <sbcl3> alxconn: you might need some graphics card drivers though
[09:49] <Klaas> unmark the streamer, and mark the wine
[09:49] <Klaas> xine
[09:49] <Klaas> and apply the changes, hej , jag r klaas ( correct? )
[09:49] <HappyFool> PhantomFreak: well, you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, but i guess that doesn't qualify as easy ;)
[09:50] <Helmutt> japp :D
[09:50] <alxconn> sbcl3: thanks, i need some help with the edit.  I belive the drivers are here thought, simple S3 card...
[09:50] <iVolution> i'm getting a postdrop error when i try to set root password (sudo passwd root). what does this mean?
[09:50] <sbcl3> alxconn: its not a very big file. i think you'll figure it out
[09:50] <Klaas> ;), got a friend who's moved to sweden ( landskrona )
[09:50] <PhantomFreak> HappyFool: I'm just trying to figure out what some of the digits mean!
[09:51] <Helmutt> kk! :)
[09:51] <alxconn> sbcl3: what's the command line to edit it, that's what I'm having trouble with...
[09:51] <Klaas> when you've done that, try it
[09:51] <sbcl3> does anyone know how to edit the gnome splash screen?
[09:51] <HappyFool> alxconn: doesn't 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' help ?
[09:51] <sbcl3> alxconn: vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[09:51] <Klaas> the settings i told you, work for me, if it doesn't work, uninstall the whole totem thing
[09:51] <Helmutt> Klaas, now it's working!!! Thack you very much!!!
[09:51] <Klaas> you're welcome
[09:52] <Klaas> yay ^_^ the first person i helped
[09:53] <Xgates> Ubuntu is only at Grub 0.95 for legacy, hmm that is a bit old considering 0.97 is out
[09:53] <Xgates> hmm
[09:53] <Xgates> #cedega
[09:54] <Helmutt> :D see ya
[09:54] <Klaas> cedega, isn't that a ' windows ' in linux? so you can play games etc? they told me that wasn't free
[09:54] <Klaas> does anyone has an idea how much that costs?
[09:54] <kakalto> $5 I think
[09:55] <Xgates> yes $5 a month
[09:55] <sbcl3> ouch
[09:55] <Klaas> O
[09:55] <thenuke> Klaas: it's not windows on linux, but it allows you to play windows games :P
[09:55] <Vjaz> But you can get it for free from the CVS if you compile it yourself. That version misses some features though I think.
[09:55] <Klaas> a month :p
[09:55] <Klaas> oh okej
[09:55] <Klaas> by paypal?
[09:55] <sbcl3> vjaz: can't you just use wine?
[09:55] <Vjaz> sbcl3: Wine has inferior DirectX-support.
[09:55] <Klaas> sbcl3, indeed, i'm installing counter-strike by wine
[09:55] <sbcl3> ah
[09:55] <alxconn> HappyFool:thanks, that looks like it will work!
[09:56] <HappyFool> alxconn: good luck
[09:56] <sbcl3> and no one know how to change that ugly splash screen?
[09:56] <kakalto> what directx does cvscedega support?
[09:56] <HappyFool> alxconn: configuring x can be a bit tricky
[09:56] <Vjaz> I'm not sure how Transgaming is getting away with it all. I mean they are modifying GPL'ed source, but yet the full version isn't free, and the CVS version isn't under the GPL I think. It's under the Aladdin license or something.
[09:56] <kakalto> and how could I make games go full-screen in cvscedega or wine?
[09:57] <Xgates> you dont want to mess with cvs just pay the $5 a month, it's bad enough getting the $5 a month one to work, let alone a cvs version which will kill ya
[09:57] <Xgates> LOL
[09:57] <kakalto> Vjaz, I think they "sell" support and/or warranty and/or extra software
[09:57] <kakalto> lol
[09:58] <veritas> Would I ruin a bunch of stuff if I renamed Desktop to desktop? :x
[09:58] <HappyFool> speaking of games, does anyone here play supertux ?
[09:58] <HappyFool> i'm stuck in the first level *embarrassment*
[09:58] <kakalto> I have it, haven't played it yet
[09:58] <theine> veritas, why would you want to do that?
[09:58] <veritas> What's it about, HappyFool ?
[09:58] <Xgates> better then if you need FREE to get wine and compile it with DirectX support
[09:58] <Vjaz> Xgates: I actually did get the CVS version running quite easily with some instructions found with google (I think the instructions were on a Gentoo site)
[09:58] <Xgates> --->http://directxwine.sourceforge.net/
[09:59] <HappyFool> veritas: side-scroller with a penguin
[09:59] <HappyFool> veritas: available via apt-get ;)
[09:59] <Xgates> Vjaz: well wine with that DirectX patch might be the way to go also
[09:59] <Vjaz> Xgates: I haven't tried much odd games with it though.
[09:59] <Vjaz> Xgates: I doubt applying patches to the wine tree is any easier...
[09:59] <Vjaz> Xgates: But yeah, I guess you can do that.
[10:00] <Xgates> Vjaz: I compiled wine with a eariler directx patch, was very simple
[10:00] <Xgates> Vjaz: just apply the patch like you would patch anything and run the wine compile installer is all
[10:00] <Xgates> and then as root for Ubuntu use checkinstall and make a .deb
[10:01] <Xgates> I did it as this way in Slackware and it worked
[10:01] <alxconn> ok, really quick, what's the key combo to restart xserver...
[10:01] <HappyFool> you can do ctl-alt-backspace
[10:01] <HappyFool> but you might as well log out first
[10:01] <PhantomFreak> What is the copy command?
[10:01] <HappyFool> or not
[10:01] <HappyFool> cp
[10:02] <puvneet> i just downloaded xine-ui and tried to install i get th emessage  Couldn't find package xine-ui
[10:02] <kakalto> SuperTux is trippy!!!
[10:02] <kakalto> :D
[10:02] <puvneet> help please
[10:02] <HappyFool> kakalto: let me know how to get over the brown wall!
[10:02] <kakalto> uhh okay
[10:02] <HappyFool> kakalto: there's a sign that says 'run' in front of it
[10:02] <puvneet> help
[10:03] <HappyFool> ;)
[10:03] <kakalto> run == left control
[10:03] <puvneet> who me
[10:03] <HappyFool> kakalto: oh?
[10:03] <HappyFool> where'd you see that?
[10:03] <alxconn> thanks! that worked, but i'm still in 800x600
[10:03] <kakalto> HappyFool, in the menu
[10:04] <kakalto> HappyFool, push escape, go options, controls...
[10:04] <HappyFool> ah, thank you
[10:04] <kakalto> This game is the greatest....
[10:04] <HappyFool> alxconn: did you select a higher mode in the reconfigure ?
[10:04] <kakalto> they should port it to the gba and gbds and psp and everything!!!
[10:04] <kakalto> :P
[10:04] <puvneet> i just downloaded the tar for xine-ui and untared and tried to use the terminal adn get the message Couldn't find package xine-ui
[10:04] <alxconn> happyfool: yeah
[10:04] <xfSx> armin van buuren!
[10:04] <HappyFool> alxconn: try ctl-alt-+ ?
[10:05] <HappyFool> puvneet: install xinue-ui through synaptic or apt-get
[10:05] <samuel> sup all
[10:05] <HappyFool> puvneet: you shouldn't need to untar anything
[10:05] <puvneet> it's not in synaptic
[10:05] <FunnyLookinHat> anyone here gotten KOTOR installed via wine?
[10:05] <HappyFool> it should Just Work
[10:05] <alxconn> happyfool:swiches between 640x480 and 1024x768
[10:06] <HappyFool> puvneet
[10:06] <HappyFool> puvneet: it is. add the repositories as instructed in ubuntuguide.org
[10:06] <puvneet> i looked there
[10:06] <HappyFool> xine-ui is in hoary/universe
[10:07] <puvneet> do i have apt-get already or do i have to download it
[10:07] <HappyFool> looked where? ubuntuguide.org ?
[10:07] <puvneet> yes
[10:07] <HappyFool> you should apt-get it. or use synaptic, which is probably easier
[10:07] <mr_roboto> can someone tell me what "ecj-bootstrap" is? is that the Eclipse IDE? should I just go grab the thing from eclipse.org instead?
[10:07] <puvneet> i have the page open already
[10:07] <HappyFool> however, you have to add universe to your repository list
[10:07] <HappyFool> and then you must do an update ('sudo apt-get update', or 'Reload' in synaptic)
[10:07] <puvneet> i have xine xine-ui-0.99.3 on a folder on my desktop
[10:08] <HappyFool> i recommend synaptic. it is easy to use and fairly user-friendly
[10:08] <puvneet> i used it it's not there
[10:08] <HappyFool> puvneet: then you haven't setup the repositories properly
[10:09] <puvneet> stupid question, what are respositories
[10:09] <kakalto> HappyFool, where's the homepage for this game?
[10:09] <HappyFool> in general it means a place to store things
[10:10] <kakalto> found it, never mind
[10:10] <HappyFool> in ubuntu, it means a place where software is kept (usually on the internet), so that you can download it
[10:10] <HappyFool> kakalto: sorry, not clue
[10:10] <puvneet> hello
[10:10] <HappyFool> puvneet: apt-get and synaptic make software installation easy, once it's setup
[10:11] <puvneet> is apt-get set up already
[10:11] <puvneet> and is synaptic already setup
[10:11] <HappyFool> puvneet: i need to go to sleep; read the instructions on ubuntuguide.org carefully, they will tell you how to setup apt-get
[10:11] <HappyFool> puvneet: no. you need to do extra setup
[10:11] <HappyFool> good night!
[10:11] <tony> Can someone check if backports multiverse is still down, or if its just me?
[10:12] <puvneet> night?
[10:13] <rustyx51> hello everybodyy
[10:13] <rustyx51> can i ask somebody one question about ubuntu?
[10:13] <Hoxzer> hello you
[10:13] <rustyx51> I'm a new tryer of linux
[10:13] <Hoxzer> no, if I dont allow it
[10:14] <rustyx51> and i'd like to install
[10:14] <rustyx51> amsn
[10:14] <rustyx51> is it possible
[10:14] <iVolution> is ndiswrapper-modules not included w/ horary?
[10:14] <iVolution> *hoary
[10:14] <mr_roboto> rustyx51: sudo apt-get install amsn
[10:15] <tony> Can someone check if backports multiverse is still down, or if its just me?
[10:15] <rustyx51> mr-roboto i don't understand
[10:15] <Tiboz> hello
[10:15] <mr_roboto> rustyx51: that's the command to install it
[10:15] <Tiboz> anyone knows when breezy will be usable ?
[10:16] <rustyx51> i have to open this file
[10:16] <rustyx51> but it doesn't word
[10:16] <toran> anyone up for helping me configure apache on my computer so I can run my python CGI scripts from a userdir in my home directory?
[10:16] <toran> I already have userdirs working
[10:16] <toran> I just need to get the cgi-bin working
[10:16] <alxconn> ok, once again (and this time i'll write it down) what is the command to edit xf86's config?  Thanks...
[10:16] <tony> Anyone know where I can get Mplayer via apt?
[10:16] <rustyx51> sorry I m just a beginner
[10:17] <Tiboz> tony: in the multiverse section
[10:18] <rustyx51> is there a french chat to ask questions?
[10:18] <kakalto> #ubuntu-fr ?
[10:18] <Tiboz> rustyx51: #ubuntu-fr
[10:19] <tony> Tiboz
[10:19] <Tiboz> tony: ?
[10:19] <tony> Can you check if the multiverse is up now? Its giving me an error when updating
[10:19] <Flav> tony: what error?
[10:19] <tony> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary                                             -extras/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_b                                             ackports_dists_hoary-extras_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No su                                             ch file or directory)
[10:19] <Tiboz> tony: it works for me
[10:20] <tony> Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-extr
[10:20] <tony> as/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  500 Internal Server Error
[10:20] <tony> http://rafb.net/paste/results/rRj6Dn19.html - is my Sources.list
[10:20] <Flav> tony: that's not the multiverse location AFAIK?
[10:20] <Tiboz> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary multiverse
[10:21] <Tiboz> try rather this one
[10:21] <Flav> tony: try what Tiboz said and/or check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToEnableTheMultiverseRepositoryInUbuntu
[10:21] <Flav> (same url either way)
[10:21] <tony> Ok, thank you
[10:22] <Flav> tony: the Ubuntu backports project you were using is separate from the "main" Ubuntu universe/multiverse servers
[10:22] <tony> ok
[10:22] <tony> thank you
[10:23] <Flav> tony: it appears the Ubuntu backports project is indeed busted at the moment, though
[10:23] <tony> alright, thank you
[10:23] <XhyldazhK> hi all
[10:23] <iVolution> is ndiswrapper-modules not included w/ hoary?
[10:23] <XhyldazhK> can anyone post/dcc me its sources.list file?
[10:24] <mpm> iVolution: not packaged, but in the repositories
[10:24] <XhyldazhK> I've upgraded to hoary a month ago, but i don't upgrade anymore
[10:24] <XhyldazhK> because each time i upgrade there are no packages to upgrade
[10:24] <mpm> XhyldazhK: http://ubuntuguide.org/ has a sample sources.list
[10:24] <lotusleaf> Ubuntu updates to newer versions like Debian updates, right?
[10:25] <iVolution> mpm my box that i need it for doesnt have a hard line to the net... if i download the deb on another computer and transfer it to that one, where do i put it?
[10:25] <lotusleaf> unlike some other distros which require a fresh reinstall?
[10:25] <XhyldazhK> mpm: i just installed a fresh hoary on a laptop and it has some like a hoary-update repository
[10:25] <iVolution> XhyldazhK: too stable for ya ;-/?
[10:25] <XhyldazhK> i cannot remember nor google the address of it
[10:25] <mpm> iVolution: I don't know that much; never done that
[10:26] <colera> anyone else have strange behaviour on you trackpad with ubuntu on a laptop?
[10:26] <kakalto> score...1680...
[10:26] <kakalto> :(
[10:26] <XhyldazhK> iVolution: I love ever-changing systems, I never fresh installed hoary in this machine, i gradually upgraded from warty to hoary
[10:28] <iVolution> XhyldazhK: sounds like youre fit for the gentoo lifestyle
[10:28] <flodine> anyone know the best tv player for gnome?
[10:28] <lotusleaf> flodine tvtime?
[10:30] <colera> does gnome have a feature to hide the border? or go fullscreen like kde does when you right click on the window?
[10:30] <flodine> wake folks
[10:30] <flodine> dont sleep now
[10:30] <flodine> ?
[10:30] <XhyldazhK> iVolution: do you have the address of the hoary update repository?
[10:30] <XhyldazhK> flodine: the most useful for me is xawtv
[10:30] <nalioth> l8r
[10:30] <mpm> if you were doing a fresh reinstall of ubuntu, would you back up and replace ALL of the folders preceded by a . in your home dir?
[10:30] <XhyldazhK> mpm: do you know the address of the update repository?
[10:30] <iVolution> XhyldazhK: nope
[10:30] <XhyldazhK> iVolution: nope... gentooers compile everything...
[10:31] <XhyldazhK> I like prepackaged stuff instead
[10:31] <mpm> XhyldazhK: this is the sources.list I use http://ubuntuguide.org/sample/sources.list_backportsrepositories
[10:31] <usual> is ubuntu a good idea for a server OS?
[10:31] <XhyldazhK> thanx mpm
[10:32] <mpm> np
[10:32] <^thehatsrule^> no, gentoo has prepackaged stage 3 install as well
[10:33] <XhyldazhK> yes... but all packages you can get are normally sources to compile
[10:34] <waterbeetle> hello ubuntu
[10:34] <goldfish> lol
[10:34] <goldfish> Way to scare 'em off :)
[10:34] <waterbeetle> hehe
[10:37] <tony> How do i uninstall a package with apt?
[10:37] <lotusleaf> I love the default ubuntu splash screen/login screen, it's very well done.
[10:37] <liable> apt-get remove foo
[10:38] <XhyldazhK> i love the overall human theme
[10:38] <lotusleaf> yeah it's nice
[10:38] <lotusleaf> I just installed ubuntu for the first time, quickest and easiest distro install to date in my experience
[10:39] <hybrid> lotusleaf: congrats
[10:39] <lotusleaf> hybrid ;)
[10:39] <iVolution> how do i get the gnome wireless applet?
[10:39] <Ghetek> im trying to install a logitech quickcam messenger driver from here http://freax.be/wiki/index.php/Quickcam_Messenger_Linux_kernel_2.6_driver but whenever i try it I get a few errors, im new to linux (im a windows guy)  here is my pastebin http://pastebin.com/284837
[10:39] <hybrid> iVolution: try right clicking the panel
[10:40] <iVolution> if its called 'wireless something something', its not there. thats why im asking.
[10:40] <samuel> question about qemu, i can install win2k on it it fine, without problems... but when i shut down windows i can never start it up again - it just says - NTLDR boot failure - what gives? what is the correct way to shutdown qemu?
[10:41] <samuel> iVolution, use the network monitor
[10:41] <neighborlee> will the future autofs( supermount or whatever its called) of ubuntu be such that when you insert/eject a CD it can be handled via the drives button ?
[10:41] <samuel> iVolution, and set it up to use your wireless interfave
[10:41] <iVolution> ah. thats smart
[10:42] <SeaDragon> can someone ehlp me please??
[10:42] <SeaDragon> help me
[10:42] <hybrid> SeaDragon: whats up?
[10:42] <iVolution> i knew they used to be separate, thats why i couldnt find it. intergrating something like those two is the right idea
[10:42] <SeaDragon> i can play chess
[10:42] <SeaDragon> in opera
[10:42] <hybrid> ok
[10:42] <SeaDragon> i believe that is because i dont have JVM
[10:43] <SeaDragon> but, i've already install it
[10:43] <hybrid> SeaDragon: you *cant* play chess?
[10:43] <neighborlee> SeaDragon, you have no error you can share with us ?
[10:44] <SeaDragon> i don't know the problem.. i'm new in linux
[10:44] <SeaDragon> i used to play in opera with java
[10:44] <hybrid> SeaDragon: do you have jdk?
[10:44] <SeaDragon> but i don't know how to do this
[10:44] <noderat> Is there by chance any application that I can use that will talk to my UPNP router and let me forward any ports I want?
[10:44] <SeaDragon> no
[10:44] <SeaDragon> is a java compiler??
[10:44] <hybrid> neighborlee: would he need jdk?
[10:45] <SeaDragon> i believe that i need j2re
[10:45] <goofrider> u need javaplugin
[10:45] <neighborlee> hybrid, no
[10:45] <jeroen_> Is there no may ubuntu-calendar?
[10:46] <goofrider> I think
[10:46] <goofrider> SeaDragon, the chess game is java?
[10:46] <SeaDragon> yes
[10:46] <SeaDragon> you can see it in www.chessmaniac.com
[10:46] <goofrider> SeaDragon, and can u play it in Firefox or Mozilla?
[10:46] <neighborlee> SeaDragon, pretty sure yes that is what you need...there is a java how-to the ubuntuguide.com <just search on that page for java ..or I can look real quick if you like...
[10:46] <larsrohdin> Hi! does anuone know if the book "Linux kernel internals" by Michael Beck is any good?
[10:46] <count0nz> any Tv media Devs in here ?
[10:47] <SeaDragon> i haven't played it in mozilla
[10:47] <iVolution> now that wireless is out of the way, something else... setting up nvidia-glx and booting into X causes my monitor (LCD) to go black, and i can't ctrl-alt-backspace out of it or anything. hard reboot is all that works. any tips? how can i figure out where the problem originates?
[10:47] <hybrid> larsrohdin: if you want to know the insides of linux try LFS
[10:47] <SeaDragon> i'm going to check that
[10:47] <count0nz> or gentoo :P
[10:47] <SeaDragon> thanks
[10:47] <larsrohdin> hybrid, linux from skratch?
[10:47] <larsrohdin> I believe I was asking about a book...
[10:47] <count0nz> well gentoo is kinda like LFS
[10:48] <hybrid> count0nz: gentoo is no where the compiling as lfs
[10:48] <samuel> question about qemu, i can install win2k on it it fine, without problems... but when i shut down windows i can never start it up again - it just says - NTLDR boot failure - what gives? what is the correct way to shutdown qemu?
[10:48] <hybrid> larsrohdin: yes
[10:48] <goofrider> SeaDragon, if u have the jre, u should haver the java plugin pre-cofigured for Firefox/Mozilla. If it works in FF/Moz, then maybe u just need to configure Opera properly
[10:48] <count0nz> hybrid, True :)
[10:48] <hybrid> count0nz: i want to try gentoo then lfs
[10:48] <goofrider> gentoo = LFS for Dummies
[10:49] <hybrid> lol
[10:49] <neighborlee> SeaDragon, sorry my bad..its ubuntuguide.org < dain it
[10:49] <SeaDragon> okz
[10:49] <SeaDragon> =)
[10:49] <count0nz> hybrid, Gentoo Rocks but i like Ubantu also :)
[10:49] <hybrid> i am fine with cli i am in it right now
[10:49] <hybrid> count0nz: how would i go about makin a partition for gentoo?
[10:49] <goofrider> traitor
[10:49] <ryman|> how about debian ?
[10:50] <SeaDragon> guys, i'm going to check ubuntuguide.org, thanks for your help
[10:50] <neighborlee> ROFL
[10:50] <goofrider> I'm gonna report u to #gentoo
[10:50] <ryman|> ppl on #debian aren't as friendly as you guys here
[10:50] <hybrid> lol @ goofrider  and ryman|
[10:50] <ryman|> thats why I love ubuntu
[10:50] <neighborlee> ryman|, heh
[10:50] <twobitsprite> ryman|,  because debian people are snobs :P
[10:50] <count0nz> hybrid, just use a partition resizer and try install gentoo on a new space gentoo is great but imho i like ubantu more
[10:50] <neighborlee> ryman|, ;-)
[10:50] <hybrid> ryman|: if someone is acting up we send them to #debian
[10:50] <ryman|> one guy asked a question in debian
[10:51] <ryman|> they send him here
[10:51] <ryman|> lol
[10:51] <hybrid> count0nz: how would i resize it
[10:51] <hybrid> ryman|: heh
[10:51] <hybrid> viva la comunity
[10:51] <neighborlee> twobitsprite, lol..but true it seems..I thinnk its a l33t mentality..we're smart and we like showing off and being rude cause well dont the two things go hand in hand ?LOL
[10:51] <puvneet> i downloaded mplayer and used the terminal to install it and it gives me a message it couldn't find mplayer-fonts
[10:51] <neighborlee> hybrid, heh
[10:51] <puvneet> help me
[10:51] <ryman|> puvneet, why dont you try synaptic
[10:51] <puvneet> it's not there
[10:51] <count0nz> google parted i belive
[10:51] <hybrid> puvneet: try apt-get install mplayer-fonts
[10:51] <ryman|> www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:52] <puvneet> i did
[10:52] <neighborlee> puvneet, yeah synaptic is the totally easy way to go..I had same troujble once with the fonts issue..its a real PITA
[10:52] <hybrid> count0nz: parted pissed me off
[10:52] <Q_Continuum> can someone help me?  I have this sudden fascination with the phrase "retarded monkey"...
[10:52] <count0nz> hybrid, :)
[10:52] <hybrid> o_+
[10:52] <neighborlee> Q_Continuum, ey?LOL
[10:52] <neighborlee> Q_Continuum, you must enjoy startrek ..<wink>
[10:52] <Q_Continuum> and a real question: has anyone successfully installed Hoary on a i955 chipset?  (Intel)?
[10:52] <PhantomFreak> How do I get larger screen resolutions, Ubuntu doesn't seem to let me have anything larger that 1024x768?
[10:53] <puvneet> i used the apt get to get these files and need to enter this command to install but keep on getting this message
[10:53] <goldfish> PhantomFreak: reconfigure the X server should fix that
[10:53] <Q_Continuum> neighborlee, no, I hate star trek. :-P
[10:53] <puvneet> help
[10:53] <neighborlee> PhantomFreak, change your monitor is likely the sollution
[10:53] <ryman|> PhantomFreak, system - preferences - screen resolution
[10:53] <hybrid> count0nz: i had to reinstall b/c i deleted my partition b/c i couldnt figure out which partition was wich
[10:53] <puvneet> how can i fix this problem
[10:53] <neighborlee> PhantomFreak, ubuntu prob. did not detect monitor right and it can't offer them to you...
[10:53] <colera> i just installed ubuntu and i think it is kinda slow, maybe it's just me. i havn't used gnome in a while maybe it's gnome
[10:53] <neighborlee> colera, slow how
[10:54] <puvneet> and using the aptget just gives you these files taht you have to install
[10:54] <RoEn> hi
[10:54] <colera> like the menus dropping down
[10:54] <PhantomFreak> The screen resolution setting in xorg doesn't go higher than 1024x768
[10:54] <beavis> hi RoEn :)
[10:54] <PhantomFreak> And my monitor is fine!
[10:54] <neighborlee> colera, is i t just at first or always
[10:54] <puvneet> HELP
[10:54] <RoEn> hehe, Dich kenn ich doch :D
[10:54] <beavis> RoEn: I thought you're only in #kanotix
[10:54] <count0nz> ubantu, apt-get works and it works well, its Fast it gets what you need and you have updates allmost instantly, Gentoo Tends to break itself depending on the direction of the wind, when it works it works well when things get out of sync (porage) it tends to be painfull recompileing to find someone uploaded wrong version or the mirrors have not all synced.
[10:55] <neighborlee> count0nz, ROFLMBO
[10:55] <count0nz> just my 10c :)
[10:55] <puvneet> IS APT GET ALREADY ON THE SYSTEM
[10:55] <neighborlee> count0nz, no I think thats about right on
[10:55] <goofrider> count0nz, that sums it up pretty well, actually
[10:55] <colera> neighborlee, like firefox reacts slowly and what not, it just doesn't feel snappy
[10:55] <UpSpy> PearPC PieSpy Chart Uploaded
[10:55] <puvneet> OR DO I HAVE TO GET
[10:55] <puvneet> IT
[10:55] <neighborlee> puvneet, already there
[10:55] <goofrider> puvneet, no u have to apt-get install apt-get
[10:55] <RoEn> beavis: i'am only looking
[10:55] <colera> neighborlee, i am coming from gentoo and maybe that's the thing
[10:55] <RoEn> ;)
[10:55] <goofrider> LMAO
[10:55] <goofrider> j/k
[10:55] <colera> neighborlee, gentoo is snappy
[10:55] <count0nz> sure gentoo you get a optimised system but at the expense of time and time is money
[10:56] <puvneet> IS THERE A WEBSITE WHERE I CAN DOWNLOAD IT
[10:56] <neighborlee> count0nz, exactly
[10:56] <neighborlee> count0nz, I could not agree more
[10:56] <colera> puvneet, download what?
[10:56] <thenuke> Painting I love and so want to share with you :) http://hero.mooo.com/users/thenuke/kuvat/taulu_sml.JPG
[10:56] <ryman|> do you guys set / and /home on the same partition ?
[10:56] <goofrider> count0nz, Gentoo only makes u FEEL like u built the prefect linux distro for yourself
[10:56] <puvneet> APTGTET
[10:56] <count0nz> and i have to fix servers i don't have 4 hours to send reemergeing stuff
[10:56] <UpSpy> PearPC PieSpy Chart Uploaded
[10:56] <count0nz> yes
[10:56] <count0nz> agree
[10:56] <Tatster> Hi, I wonder if someone could help me please. I am failry new to Samba and I can't get 1 thing to work.  I have Ubuntu box and Windows box.  From Windows box I am trying to create new directory on Ubuntu share.  I can connect to Ubuntu and see existing folders but when I try to create new one I get Access Denied message. My smb.conf file is at http://pastebin.com/284841
[10:56] <puvneet> COLERA,APTGET
[10:56] <goofrider> count0nz, tell me if there was ANY speed improvemnt with Gentoo, at all
[10:56] <neighborlee> thenuke, ahhhhhh ok..what exactly is that ;-00
[10:56] <goofrider> count0nz, cuz I bet there was none
[10:57] <thoreauputic> puvneet: stop it withthe caps
[10:57] <nxvl> hi
[10:57] <puvneet> ok
[10:57] <nxvl> im having a problem with Eterm
[10:57] <goofrider> count0nz, not counting at the time that it DOESN'T WORK
[10:57] <ryman|> do you guys set / and /home on the same partition ?
[10:57] <goofrider> ***al**l the time
[10:57] <puvneet> where can i download aptget
[10:57] <thoreauputic> puvneet: apt-get is built into the system
[10:57] <count0nz> And if you think ubantu sucks (no disrespect intended) then rember ubantu is version 1 it is still in the growing stages its going to get better over time
[10:57] <RoEn> hi Kano
[10:57] <nxvl> i dont know why the locales on mi Eterm are not good
[10:57] <puvneet> some one said it's not
[10:57] <thenuke> neighborlee: A painting
[10:57] <puvneet> so where can i find it
[10:57] <nxvl> look at one screenshot
[10:57] <goofrider> ryman|, I have /home /opt /srv and /tmp in a different partition and mount -bind them
[10:57] <nxvl> http://nxvl.no-ip.com/locales.png
[10:58] <UpSpy> PearPC PieSpy Chart Uploaded
[10:58] <nxvl> how can i fix this?
[10:58] <goofrider> puvneet, I was joking  :)
[10:58] <count0nz> and my ubantu system runs just as fast as my optimised gentoo system ever did
[10:58] <ryman|> goofrider, I'm reinstalling Ubuntu. Should I separate /home and / ?
[10:58] <puvneet> so where can i find it
[10:58] <thoreauputic> puvneet: you just type apt-get in a terminal - but use synaptic as a front end: it's easier to bgin that way
[10:58] <goofrider> puvneet, it's there just try it. Don't forget sudo. "sudo apt-get install blahblahblah"
[10:58] <goofrider> ryman|, it's more important to put /usr in a sep partition
[10:58] <count0nz> Any TV Dev's here ?
[10:59] <goofrider> ryman|, well, not IMPORTANT, but just more appropriate
[10:59] <puvneet> what is blahblahblah "i'm new to ubuntu"
[10:59] <waterbeetle> blahblahblah is the name of the file you want to apt-get
[10:59] <Klaas> Hi @ all, i'm going to buy a laptop, i've bin thinking about a apple powerbook superdrive 15", is that a good idea? i'll install linux on it ( becouse mac software is so expensive )
[10:59] <thoreauputic> puvneet: read about synaptic here;  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto (think about apt-get later)
[10:59] <puvneet> ok
[11:00] <Ghetek> sorry i had to leave for a bit, reposting my question
[11:00] <imaek> I am trying to install Avidemux ( http://avidemux.sourceforge.net/ ), and it says that it depends on libvorbis0.  I checked, and I have libvorbis0a installed.  I tried debian packages ( http://packages.debian.org/libvorbis0 ), and when I try to install it says that it conflicts with libvorbis0a.  What can I do?
[11:00] <Ghetek> im trying to install a logitech quickcam messenger driver from here http://freax.be/wiki/index.php/Quickcam_Messenger_Linux_kernel_2.6_driver but whenever i try it I get a few errors, im new to linux (im a windows guy)  here is my pastebin http://pastebin.com/284837
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Klaas: depends on what you need - wireless is unsupported on the latest powerbooks/ iBooks
[11:00] <Q_Continuum> anyone heard of any success of any installs on the new Intel i955 chipset?
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Klaas: if you need a modem that could also be an issue
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Klaas: otherwise I'm happy with my iBook
[11:01] <FlyingSquirrel32> has anyone heard of an Open source mmo game?
[11:01] <flodine> anyone on 64 bit
[11:01] <Klaas> thoreauputic, i'll buy the powerbook G5 when it comes out, maybe the second edititon of the G5, i will work wireless for sure
[11:02] <Klaas> ibook, i'll buy a powerbook
[11:02] <waterbeetle> puvneet, you know what the terminal is?
[11:02] <puvneet> i keep on getting the message could not find and then the file name
[11:02] <goofrider> Klaas, the PowerStove G5 u mean?
[11:02] <puvneet> yes
[11:02] <flodine> is there gdesklets for 64bit and ubuntu
[11:02] <Klaas> will it be powerstove?
[11:02] <Klaas> no powerbook anymore?
[11:02] <goofrider> it'll be a PowerStove
[11:02] <waterbeetle> puvneet, type: sudo apt-get install smeg
[11:02] <puvneet> i know what a terminal is
[11:02] <puvneet> ok
[11:02] <goofrider> the G5 is HOT
[11:03] <Klaas> you mean, hot by cooling? or veeeryy extreeemlyyy cool
[11:03] <thoreauputic> Klaas: well Broadcom won't release details of Airport Express to the community, so be aware that drivers for those cards are not going to happen any time soon, if ever
[11:03] <puvneet> it says couldn't find package
[11:03] <goofrider> it runs hot
[11:03] <Klaas> oh :(
[11:03] <UpSpy> PearPC PieSpy Chart Uploaded
[11:03] <goofrider> hence PowerStove  ;)
[11:03] <puvneet> waterbeetle. it says couldn't find package
[11:03] <Klaas> so, if i buy a powerbook, i won't be possible to work wireless
[11:03] <Klaas> or a powerstove, or ibook
[11:03] <flodine> hello ubuntu folks anyone running 64 bit chip here
[11:03] <concept10> any grub experts here
[11:03] <livinded> can someone help me getting my audigy to work with vlc
[11:03] <thoreauputic> Klaas: unless you use an accessory dongle or similar
[11:03] <goofrider> Klaas, hopefully we'll have AirportExtreme driver soon
[11:03] <waterbeetle> puvneet, copy the text verbatim
[11:04] <livinded> i got a 64 btit but i running windows on it for editing
[11:04] <livinded> i'd like to get gentoo on it
[11:04] <puvneet> WATER BEETLE IT SAYS COULDN'T FIND PACKAGE
[11:04] <goofrider> Klaas, if not, u can always use a USB WiFi dongle, right??
[11:04] <flodine> windows 64 software
[11:04] <puvneet> the what know
[11:04] <Klaas> oh ok, forgot, will an pcmcia ( or something ) work?
[11:04] <Klaas> or an usb
[11:04] <Klaas> you're right ;)
[11:04] <Klaas> is that fully supported by ubuntu,
[11:04] <Klaas> automatic?
[11:04] <thoreauputic> puvneet: STOP it with the caps , and go read the wiki: you need to learn a bit
[11:05] <sobersabre> hi guys
[11:05] <Klaas> hi
[11:05] <livinded> do i need to reocmpile the kernel to use a usb wifi dongle?
[11:05] <Ghetek> hi
[11:05] <waterbeetle> puvneet: try # apt-get update
[11:05] <livinded> or linksys i mean
[11:05] <goofrider> Klaas, don't have ubuntu PC so I can't guarentee u it's gonna work
[11:05] <Klaas> oh okej ;)
[11:06] <sobersabre> how do i use ieee80211_crypt_tkip ?
[11:06] <goofrider> livinded, y do u need to recompile the kernel? r u a Gentoo user?
[11:06] <vicks> if puvneet is new to ubuntu, wouldn't it be esier to use synaptic?
[11:06] <sobersabre> i am on ipw2200 ...
[11:06] <livinded> no i'm using ubuntu now
[11:06] <goofrider> livinded, but did u come from gentoo?
[11:06] <waterbeetle> he wants to use apt-get
[11:06] <livinded> i'd like to use my usb wifi thing though until i get a switch
[11:06] <livinded> no
[11:06] <livinded> its a linksys
[11:06] <thoreauputic> vicks: I already gave him the link to a synaptic howto
[11:06] <livinded> oh ya i've used gentoo before
[11:06] <vicks> aha, sorry
[11:07] <livinded> and slack
[11:07] <livinded> and a ef wothers
[11:07] <Klaas> if you had to choose, wich one would you choose? the powerbook? or the powerstove?
[11:07] <goofrider> livinded, there should be usb wifi driver modules, u shouldn't need to recompile
[11:07] <livinded> ok
[11:07] <livinded> what do i need to do to activate it
[11:07] <goofrider> Klaas, iBook G4. I like small and cheap  :P
[11:07] <livinded> i've never used this on linux befor eonly on windows
[11:08] <puvneet> i did that and it says the same message coulldn't find package smeg
[11:08] <sobersabre> guys, wifi q, i have an ipw2200 card
[11:08] <vicks> puvneet: what package are you trying to install?
[11:08] <sobersabre> i got the latest driver
[11:08] <puvneet> xine-ui
[11:08] <waterbeetle> puvneet, did update work?
[11:08] <puvneet> or mplayer
[11:08] <goofrider> livinded, start with this page  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[11:08] <sobersabre> it has support for tkip
[11:08] <sobersabre> is there a way to use it ?
[11:08] <livinded> ok thanks
[11:09] <puvneet> yes ti looked like it did
[11:09] <Klaas> i love the powerbook, it's in allu ;)
[11:09] <Ghetek> Im on a p4, which mplayer shoudl i install?
[11:09] <Klaas> i586
[11:09] <Ghetek> klass, is that to me?
[11:09] <goofrider> Klaas, $500+$1000 more for just the LOOK?
[11:09] <puvneet> the update worked
[11:09] <Klaas> yes ghetek
[11:10] <Ghetek> thanks
[11:10] <Klaas> goofrider
[11:10] <goofrider> Klaas, u know the specs b/w the iBook and PowerBooks are basically the same
[11:10] <Andril> hello all - again
[11:10] <self-fed> hey all
[11:10] <vicks> puvneet: have you added the extra repositories (universe, multiverse etc?)
[11:10] <Andril> I have a quick question?
[11:10] <thoreauputic> puvneet: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:10] <Klaas> oh okej :)
[11:10] <goofrider> Ghetek, mplayer-686
[11:10] <Ghetek> damn...
[11:10] <Ghetek> already installing 586
[11:10] <hyapadi> what is the backup program in ubuntu to backup from a folder > usb disk?
[11:10] <Ghetek> oh no
[11:10] <self-fed> how do i create a backup for my hdd?? i want to save what i have downloaded and installed on ubuntu...
[11:10] <thoreauputic> goofrider: there is no 686 mplayer, only 586
[11:11] <Andril> is it safe to use the installer from Firefox to upgrade to 1.0.4 - or should I wait for the repository to be updated?
[11:11] <thoreauputic> Ghetek: that is correct
[11:11] <goofrider> thoreauputic, i swear there is
[11:11] <thoreauputic> goofrider: apt-cache search mplayer
[11:11] <vicks> anyone know why i can't install firefox plugins. nothing happens when i click on them
[11:11] <self-fed> how do i create a backup for my hdd?? i want to save what i have downloaded and installed on ubuntu
[11:11] <goofrider> mplayer-686 - transitional dummy package which can be safely removed
[11:11] <Klaas> isn't i586 correct for p4 ?
[11:11] <Klaas> for mplayer
[11:11] <goofrider> so it's a damn virtual package
[11:11] <goofrider> I was lied to!!!
[11:12] <Ghetek> it said something about wrong font path when i started it
[11:12] <Andril> vicks, same issue here - I think you must upgrade to the newest build - but I am asking now if it's safe to use the installer
[11:12] <thoreauputic> goofrider: oops you are right
[11:12] <goofrider> Klaas, P4 = 786
[11:12] <Klaas> well, i don't think p4 is i686 becouse my AXP tells me i686
[11:12] <Klaas> aaah
[11:12] <self-fed> hello?
[11:12] <Klaas> 786
[11:12] <Klaas> hello self-fed
[11:12] <self-fed> how do i create a backup for my hdd?? i want to save what i have downloaded and installed on ubuntu
[11:12] <Ghetek> should i remove 586?
[11:12] <vicks> Andril: is it like that from all servers
[11:12] <goofrider> Klaas, 686 = PPro, P2, P3, K7
[11:12] <thoreauputic> goofrider: I hadn't seen that one at all: but 586 is fine anyway
[11:13] <Klaas> thanks goofrider
[11:13] <thoreauputic> Ghetek: 586 is fine
[11:13] <Ghetek> ok
[11:13] <Klaas> @ all, i'm going to bed, bye all
[11:13] <Ghetek> and the font problem/
[11:13] <Ghetek> ?
[11:13] <ryman|> gnite Klaas
[11:13] <goofrider> thoreauputic, mplayer-686 is just a virtual package that installs mplayer-586. I think mplayer doesn't use SSE2
[11:13] <Klaas> good night ( belgium - 23 : 13 )
[11:13] <self-fed> i want to backup the things that i have downloaded... how?
[11:14] <livinded> can someone give me some help with vlc
[11:14] <livinded> i can't get it to output through my audigy
[11:14] <thoreauputic> goofrider: aha - OK I knew I had 586 here so I assumed it was the highest available
[11:14] <Ghetek> New_Face failed. maybe the font path is wrong  please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf))
[11:14] <Klaas> euhm, self-fed, realy don't know, if you want to backup everything, buy a second drive, buy a raid controller and use your two hdd's in raid 1
[11:14] <Klaas> set the second to mirroring or something
[11:14] <Klaas> bye , logging of in 5sec
[11:14] <goofrider> thoreauputic, and I assumed the mplayer-686 actually has stuff in it  ;)
[11:15] <thoreauputic> goofrider: ah well, we were both wrong and right ;)
[11:15] <goofrider> backup? what do u wanna backup to? another folder? another drive? CDR??
[11:16] <goofrider> please be a little more specific?
[11:17] <Andril> vicks, yes but there is a newer build out but the repository does not reflect it
[11:17] <thoreauputic> self-fed: if you mean .deb packages, you'll find them in /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:17] <penguin_roar> self-fed, G4L is really nice if you want to backup everything like ghost but bit for bit
[11:18] <self-fed> i want to backup all my downloaded files to a cd
[11:18] <goofrider> G4L?
[11:18] <colera> is there anyway to merge the two default gnome menus that are on the top and bottom
[11:18] <colera> ?
[11:18] <goofrider> self-fed, downloaded files as in downloaded file in Firefox? or Synaptic?
[11:18] <waterbeetle> self-fed, you could burn a cd
[11:18] <goofrider> self-fed, either way, Nautilus can already burn CD
[11:19] <goofrider> self-fed, or u can use Gnomebaker or k3b
[11:19] <thoreauputic> colera: there's only one gnomemenu - the other must be a duplicate
[11:19] <thoreauputic> colera: you can just remove it
[11:19] <self-fed> yea i know but how do i find the files that i have downloaded and installed?? ( via apt-get
[11:19] <penguin_roar> k3b and gnomebaker is nice for burning cds
[11:19] <livinded> where do usb thumbdrives mount to
[11:19] <goofrider> self-fed, /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:19] <livinded> i don't see it in /mnt/
[11:20] <ryman|> livinded, its on your desktop
[11:20] <penguin_roar> ./media
[11:20] <hyapadi> How to backup a folder > UsbDisk? I want to update the backup manually, but not to copy all the files, instead copy only the changes. Is there any tools to do this easily?
[11:20] <livinded> i'm not running gnome
[11:20] <penguin_roar> livinded, look in /media
[11:20] <thoreauputic> self-fed: if you mean the binaries, they are mostly in /usr/bin/
[11:20] <thoreauputic> self-fed: but you don't back those up anyway
[11:20] <goofrider> livinded, what r u running? console? it may not automount
[11:20] <livinded> i don't see it there
[11:20] <livinded> i'm running xfce
[11:20] <livinded> do i need to edit my fstab?
[11:20] <waterbeetle> self-fed, all the files would have distributed themselves among thier own directory trees, etc...
[11:20] <goofrider> livinded, u'll have to mount it yourself
[11:21] <larsrohdin> is it possible to install ubuntu without x?
[11:21] <livinded> what do i type mount ...
[11:21] <goofrider> larsrohdin, typer server at the boot cd boot prompt
[11:21] <livinded> i don't know where it is
[11:21] <thoreauputic> hyapadi: have a look at rsync
[11:21] <SeaDragon> sudo ln -fs /usr/java/jre1.5.0_03/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[11:21] <SeaDragon> sudo ln -fs /usr/java/jre1.5.0_03/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[11:21] <goofrider> livinded, use a terminal window
[11:21] <larsrohdin> goofrider, just server?
[11:21] <livinded> ya i know how to mount
[11:21] <goofrider> larsrohdin, i think so
[11:21] <livinded> but what do i mountf rom
[11:21] <SeaDragon> those lines only create a link don't they?
[11:21] <larsrohdin> kewl, thanks dude
[11:21] <penguin_roar> livinded, mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/usb
[11:22] <hyapadi> thoreauputic, is there any guide how to use rysnc for my case?
[11:22] <goofrider> livinded, usually /dev/sda1
[11:22] <livinded> ok
[11:22] <thoreauputic> hyapadi: man rsync is fairly readable
[11:22] <penguin_roar> livinded, you can do tail -f /var/log/messages to see where its mounted
[11:22] <thoreauputic> hyapadi: or google for "rsync howto"
[11:22] <thoreauputic> hyapadi: it isn't difficult
[11:22] <colera> thoreauputic, umm i don't think so because it has different stuff in it
[11:23] <penguin_roar> livinded, just issue that command and unplug/plugin the usb
[11:23] <goofrider> SeaDragon, yes they only create symlinks
[11:23] <thoreauputic> colera: have you used the menu editor?
[11:23] <eob84> are there any recomendations on recovering a deleted file?
[11:23] <hyapadi> ok thx thoreauputic
[11:23] <thoreauputic> colera: how did you end up with *two* different gnome-menus ?
[11:23] <livinded> ok got it mounted
[11:23] <goofrider> eob84, pray?
[11:24] <goofrider> eob84, j/k  :)
[11:24] <eob84> HA
[11:24] <thoreauputic> eob84: there is no recovery for deleted files on an ext3 filesystem
[11:24] <penguin_roar> anyone know any msn webcam capable chat client?
[11:24] <livinded> gaim
[11:24] <eob84> what of reiserFS?
[11:24] <goofrider> eob84, e2undel
[11:24] <penguin_roar> livinded, webcam?
[11:24] <livinded> i think so
[11:24] <count0nz> gnomemeeting
[11:24] <thoreauputic> goofrider: that will only work on ext2
[11:25] <count0nz> not msn tho
[11:25] <livinded> you may have to add webcam support seperate thouh
[11:25] <goofrider> thoreauputic, not ext3?
[11:25] <colera> thoreauputic, it is just that way when i installed
[11:25] <ryman|> anyone got ipod work on ubuntu ?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> goofrider: nope
[11:25] <goofrider> that sucks
[11:25] <colera> thoreauputic, one has the gnome menu thing like the windows menu the other has the launcehd appas and the workspace icons
[11:26] <Ghetek> can i add kde-apps.org to my apt-get sources list? if so how?
[11:26] <thoreauputic> colera: I'm not clear on what you mean, but you can remove/ move them from one panel to another if that's what you want
[11:27] <livinded> can someone help me setup vlc with my audigy
[11:27] <livinded> it wont output through my audigy for some reason
[11:27] <carthik_later> Ghetek, do they have a apt repository?
[11:27] <Ghetek> yes
[11:27] <Ghetek> im usint kynaptic to edit it
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Ghetek: why would you want to? Virtually any KDE app is available through apt or synaptic
[11:27] <Ghetek> not "bricks"
[11:27] <carthik_later> Ghetek , edit /etc/apt/sources.list and then add that in, the same way the others in the file are
[11:27] <goofrider> Ghetek, becareful not to overwrite core kdelibs from their repo (if they ship them)
[11:28] <Ghetek> i dont know what to add
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Ghetek: mixing sources is deprecated, by the way
[11:28] <carthik_later> Ghetek, the url, the "branch" etc.
[11:28] <Ghetek> ah
[11:28] <Ghetek> ok
[11:28] <carthik_later> Ghetek, if you only want brick, why dont you download the .deb file and install it using dpkg -i ?
[11:29] <carthik_later> bricks, sorry
[11:29] <livinded> can someone help me setup vlc with my audigy
[11:29] <livinded> it wont output through my audigy for some reason
[11:29] <goofrider> livinded, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[11:29] <goofrider> livinded, please search the wiki and forum for audio issues and solutionsa
[11:29] <livinded> it works on other programs
[11:29] <livinded> just not vlc
[11:29] <thoreauputic> livinded: if someone can help, they will: repeating won't help
[11:29] <goofrider> livinded, oh ok
[11:29] <colera> thoreauputic, how do i move things to another pannel>?
[11:30] <livinded> it doesn't list alsa or my audigy under the source in vlc
[11:30] <goofrider> livinded, and u r using esound right?
[11:30] <livinded> its not a sound problem
[11:30] <colera> thoreauputic, oh i figured it out
[11:30] <thoreauputic> colera: right click, remove: right click the other paanel, choose what you need, add
[11:30] <puvneet> yo i'm back
[11:30] <livinded> its setup for alsa
[11:30] <livinded> i think
[11:31] <goofrider> wait.. i don;t even have vlc installed.. LOL
[11:31] <livinded> like it works fine with xmms but vlc doesn't like it
[11:31] <Tatster> Can anyone recommend a good app to burn multiple cd's at the same time?
[11:32] <ryman|> do you guys customize your Ubuntu so it looks all nice and stuffs ?
[11:32] <goofrider> ryman|, it looks nice the way it is
[11:32] <hans_> is there any porgram to show the fps in games?
[11:32] <livinded> ryman thats an xwindows thign not ubuntu
[11:32] <hans_> like fras on windows
[11:32] <livinded> i customize ubuntu to run better though
[11:32] <fuZiSu> livinded, i c
[11:32] <yahalom> ey...i just installed ubuntu on one of my customers's pcs. They don't have the internet. How do I supply them with updates and extra apps? they need more locality support.
[11:32] <webby> livinded, what did u do?
[11:33] <goofrider> livinded, installing vlc.. it's gonna take a while. anyone lese helping u?
[11:33] <colera> oh great
[11:33] <livinded> not yet
[11:33] <colera> i just removed the little icon that shows the desktop and it's not in the add menu
[11:33] <knapjack> hans_: Depends on the game
[11:33] <livinded> well for starters i set a root password
[11:33] <knapjack> livinded: Why?
[11:33] <puvneet> beginning to hate this linux
[11:34] <livinded> becuase other people sshinto ym box
[11:34] <goofrider> yahalom, if they don't have internet, u do they need updates? they're not vulnerable to exploits and they don't know what's current  :)
[11:34] <livinded> and i usually leave ssh open
[11:34] <knapjack> Yeah, but only people in sudoers will have root access
[11:34] <thoreauputic> colera: yes it is - something like "show desktop" ( I'm in xfce so I can't check)
[11:34] <livinded> lol
[11:34] <puvneet> why would they package a stupid player like totem crap
[11:34] <hypa7ia> livinded: with no root passowrd there is no root /account/, so no-one can ssh in :-)
[11:34] <livinded> knapjack, ever heard of an exploit
[11:34] <yahalom> goofrider: they need some updates that are missing on the cd. is there no way i can add some apt-get apps to a cd?
[11:34] <hypa7ia> has anyone recieved their cd's yet?
[11:34] <knapjack> livinded: Yep, but having a root password isn't going to help that any.
[11:35] <penguin_roar> puvneet, whats the problem? tell me and i can help =)
[11:35] <puvneet> is there a program that you can download nad just have it work
[11:35] <thoreauputic> puvneet: th eproblem isn't Linux: the problem is you  ahven't read the wiki
[11:35] <livinded> why?
[11:35] <puvneet> i have
[11:35] <goofrider> yahalom, u can build your own live cd, or cd DEB repo
[11:35] <colera> thoreauputic, alright
[11:35] <puvneet> it's in heiroglyphics
[11:35] <knapjack> Because any process running as root is susceptible.  If it's already running, it doesn't need a password.
[11:35] <goofrider> yahalom, just ask google, there are some howtos online
[11:35] <Raag> does the install cd come with the packages needed to connect with dialup?
[11:35] <puvneet> i keep getting the error or command like can't find the program
[11:36] <thoreauputic> puvneet: maybe you just aren't ready for Linux
[11:36] <goofrider> livinded, u let other users SSH into your box as root?
[11:36] <thenuke> puvneet: what was your problem again?
[11:36] <puvneet> or package
[11:36] <knapjack> livinded: Giving root a password just means that it's able to be cracked as well as exploited.
[11:36] <lesshaste> how do I get X to log me in automatically when I boot up instead of prompting for a password etc.?
[11:36] <sobersabre> has anybody tried working with a WIFI card and ieee80211_crypt_tkip
[11:36] <hypa7ia> livinded: until you set the password there /is/ no root account.
[11:36] <sobersabre> ?
[11:36] <thenuke> puvneet: you want to install.. what?
[11:36] <livinded> goofrider, only friens when they help on stuff
[11:36] <quatrevingtquatr> hello
[11:36] <puvneet> i downloaded mplayer and tried mto run it threw the terminal
[11:36] <puvneet> or install it
[11:36] <penguin_roar> hypa7ia, how do i remove the root account if i created one?
[11:36] <hypa7ia> penguin_roar: that i don't know
[11:36] <goofrider> livinded, u should give your firends their own account and add then into the admin group
[11:37] <thenuke> puvneet: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[11:37] <hypa7ia> penguin_roar: did you check the wiki / forums?
[11:37] <knapjack> hypa7ia: There is one, it's just harder to log in.  'sudo su -' will make you root if you have the permissions.
[11:37] <thenuke> puvneet: there you go.
[11:37] <thoreauputic> puvneet: run gmplayer (assuming you installed the correct package)
[11:37] <thenuke> puvneet: no go, and follow EVERY step in there..
[11:37] <hypa7ia> knapjack: ahh, good to know
[11:37] <livinded> it was faster to do it this way and my box isn't up 24/7 so its not that big of a problem
[11:37] <knapjack> penguin_roar: You can edit /etc/shadow and make the hash for root back to *
[11:37] <hypa7ia> knapjack: or sudo -s i think?
[11:37] <puvneet> ok
[11:37] <livinded> once i get my switch in ehre i'm formatting to gentoo anyways
[11:37] <penguin_roar> knapjack, thanks!
[11:37] <goofrider> livinded, here we preach about NOT having a a root password, and here you are, not only setting a root password, u even give it out to ppl!!!!
[11:37] <knapjack> hypa7ia: That might work, too.
[11:37] <livinded> this is just temporary till i get it setup
[11:38] <hypa7ia> knapjack: don't recall the -flag, but it's that simple
[11:38] <livinded> preach all you want
[11:38] <penguin_roar> im so used to a root account, ill better get used to sudo i assume
[11:38] <goofrider> livinded, right, and they could've install a complete rootkit already and u'd have no idea
[11:39] <penguin_roar> no root is pretty smart if you have ssh running for eg
[11:39] <Ghetek> whats a good 3d game that i can get via apt-get?
[11:39] <penguin_roar> there are a lot of scripts attacking weak root passwds
[11:39] <goofrider> penguin_roar, sudo is a total different philosophy that requires a paradigm shift
[11:39] <livinded> mine isn't weak
[11:39] <Ghetek> mine is
[11:39] <goofrider> penguin_roar, but once u get used to it, it makes a lot more sense
[11:39] <knapjack> Ghetek: Tux Racer is fun for a while
[11:39] <Tatster> how can I burn multiple simultaneous cd's?
[11:39] <livinded> unless they get the hash or find another epxloit they not getting it
[11:39] <puvneet> i tried to use xine and get the updated codecs i typed in the command and get a choice do you want to continue press y and i did it just aborts every time i press i want to continue
[11:40] <knapjack> Ghetek: Tux Racer is better if you don't try to actually race, and you just free-form "sled", try to catch air, explore the runs, etc.
[11:40] <livinded> i think it would take a while to crack an 12 character alphanumeric login
[11:40] <knapjack> livinded: Not as long as you think
[11:40] <goofrider> livinded, 12 character? pssssssssssst
[11:40] <Ghetek> thanks
[11:40] <Ghetek> will play
[11:40] <knapjack> livinded: 'apt-get install john' from universe
[11:41] <count0nz> lol 12 hrs i give it about 4 hours
[11:41] <livinded> i have john
[11:41] <count0nz> 12 chrs
[11:41] <laurent_> salut a tous
[11:41] <penguin_roar> goofrider, but does it help against elevated priviliges?
[11:41] <puvneet> help
[11:41] <goofrider> livinded, if it's not at leass 16 char with upper case, lower case, num and punctuation, then it's not even MEDIUMLY secure passwd
[11:41] <laurent_> quelqu'un parle franais
[11:42] <goofrider> penguin_roar, which is....?
[11:42] <count0nz> :P
[11:42] <count0nz> Secure Penguins Rock
[11:42] <penguin_roar> someone with a local account who uses some hack to elevate his rights
[11:42] <livinded> well i'll be formatting in about 2 weeks so it really doesn't matter now
[11:42] <knapjack> penguin_roar: Nope
[11:42] <goofrider> penguin_roar, it depends on what kinda of hack it is
[11:42] <Ghetek> i cant find tuxracer in my menu
[11:42] <knapjack> penguin_roar: Using a local exploit eliminates the need to have a password.
[11:43] <penguin_roar> knapjack, kind of what i was going for
[11:43] <goofrider> penguin_roar,the penetrator could've been exploit a process that's already running as root
[11:43] <knapjack> penguin_roar: Though, using a local exploit makes it easier to obtain everyone else's password.
[11:43] <puvneet> thenuke you told me a mplayer website and it had a command line to type in and i did why do i get this message all the time couldn't find package mozilla-mplayer
[11:43] <thenuke> puvneet: umm.. did it ask you to type BIG Y or perhaps to type in yes? or something :P
[11:43] <puvneet> i did both
[11:43] <puvneet> lower case and bigger
[11:44] <thenuke> puvneet: seems like you did not do what I asked you to do then ;D
[11:44] <thenuke> puvneet: follow every step in http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer ..
[11:44] <puvneet> i did
[11:44] <thenuke> puvneet: did you skip that second step?
[11:44] <thenuke> "Read How to add extra repositories?"
[11:44] <count0nz> give someone root temp thay just have to make a suid app calls something and have that run bash etc.. and then thay have themself a root shell like that
[11:44] <puvneet> what was the second step
[11:44] <knapjack> livinded: You could always use QEMU and let your friends ssh into that.
[11:45] <knapjack> livinded: Protect yourself just a hair.
[11:45] <ziggy__> does 5.04 use devfs?
[11:45] <ziggy__> i cannot get /dev/mga_vid to work at all
[11:45] <livinded> nobody has ever gained access to my machine
[11:45] <Edgan> ziggy__: udev
[11:45] <goofrider> count0nz, yeah and then they can install a rootkit and come back as they please
[11:45] <livinded> i think i protect me self decently
[11:45] <ziggy__> Edgan, thanks
[11:45] <penguin_roar> livinded, most hacks these days seems to be weak passwords
[11:45] <ziggy__> i am stuck with a matrox card that doesn't work
[11:45] <livinded> mine aren't weak
[11:45] <count0nz> goofrider, agee :)
[11:46] <goofrider> livinded, u think u'd know if u've been exploited if they install a rootkit?
[11:46] <knapjack> ziggy__: What flavor?
[11:46] <ziggy__> g400
[11:46] <livinded> most people wont sit and crack long difficult passes unles there is something good inside
[11:46] <livinded> i think i would notice somethign running
[11:46] <penguin_roar> livinded, tell my boss that with a cluestick, he had ssh open for root and a weak passwd, got 0wnd
[11:46] <ziggy__> knapjack, it has issues at /dev/mga_vid
[11:46] <goofrider> livinded, no, they just use your system as a proxy to penetrate other systems
[11:46] <darkling> That's the whole point of a rootkit -- you can't see that it's there.
[11:46] <goofrider> livinded, or use it as a DoS zombie
[11:46] <penguin_roar> livinded, thats what those scripts banging on my sshd do
[11:46] <ziggy__> the kernel modules are loaded, mga and mga_vid both are in dmesg
[11:46] <livinded> yes and i watch connections that go through my box
[11:47] <livinded> i see what happens
[11:47] <ziggy__> the error is at /dev/mga_vid
[11:47] <ziggy__> when I run mplayer
[11:47] <goofrider> livinded, you can't watch your box 24/7
[11:47] <PoTs> I'd like to install digikam (image viewer and editor) but this is a kde application, is there an alternative for gnome?
[11:47] <livinded> its not up 24/7
[11:47] <darkaudit> goofrider: I set a root passwd for apps that won't accept the sudo passwd... like trying to run synaptic in Fluxbox... remote access is disabled... what about that?
[11:47] <livinded> it can't be compremized when tis down
[11:47] <goofrider> livinded, u well to bed, you box gets exploited, the log cleaned up, the rootkit installed, then u wake up, it looks like nothing happended
[11:47] <penguin_roar> unless its windows ;D
[11:48] <ivoks> darkaudit gksudo synaptic
[11:48] <livinded> its off when i sleep
[11:48] <livinded> and no internet on it whne i've using windows
[11:48] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello [X-Pro] DarkGhost welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:48] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> bob2
[11:48] <Edgan> goofrider: until you get blackholed for DDoS or something
[11:48] <goofrider> darkaudit, make a shortcut for (gk)sudo synpatic
[11:48] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> [ ReSpOnD ]  [ What the hell do you want goofrider Wait i dont even care....Anyways im busy... ]  [One OF DarkGhost's Customized Topics ] 
[11:48] <knapjack> ziggy__: What happens if you sudo mplayer?
[11:48] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello frederic welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:48] <Ghetek> where does tux racer go in the menu?
[11:48] <ziggy__> it says no device
[11:49] <Edgan> knapjack: why would you want to?
[11:49] <knapjack> Ghetek: Not sure.
[11:49] <Edgan> Ghetek: I would think Games
[11:49] <Ghetek> if i add it in manually, will it mess up where debian packaaages put things?
[11:49] <knapjack> Edgan: Just checking to see if mplayer wanted write access to the device, and for some reason the console user didn't have it.
[11:49] <ziggy__> $ mplayer dvd://
[11:49] <ziggy__> # mplayer dvd://
[11:49] <Edgan> knapjack: which device?
[11:49] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello WX welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:49] <goofrider> [X-Pro] DarkGhost, turn it off please
[11:50] <knapjack> Edgan: I've seen that before with audio and other apps, so I thought it might be worth a try.  It's a Matrox G400.
[11:50] <_hp_> anyone here got the logitech media keyboard buttons to work?
[11:50] <ziggy__> both will give open: No such device or address vo_mga: Couldn't open /dev/mga_vid
[11:50] <penguin_roar> heh
[11:50] <count0nz> LOL song for Ubantu : Evanesence - Hello "Don't try to fix me i'me not broken" shes talking about her ubantu box :)
[11:50] <goofrider> damn stupid IRC scripts
[11:50] <darkaudit> I've noticed some items will accept the sudo passwd (time admin, firestarter), and others want root passwd when run from the Debian menu (i.e. Debian->Apps->System->Synaptic Package Manager)...
[11:50] <_hp_> my ubuntu works swell
[11:50] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello StoneTable welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:50] <puvneet> what does"apend the following lines mean"
[11:50] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> somone slap me
[11:50] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> slap me
[11:50] <WX> anyone here know why highlighting text in firfox makes the words after the highlighted sectino to bounce around? it's really annoying
[11:50] <puvneet> help
[11:50] <Edgan> knapjack: /dev/mga_vid? a mpeg decoder or something?
[11:51] <_hp_> puvneet, augment the document with the content in the proceeding lines
[11:51] <puvneet> add to it
[11:51] <goofrider> puvneet, append = add it to the bottom
[11:51] <ziggy__> Edgan mknod /dev/mga_vid c 178 0
[11:51] <GMFlash> does 5.04 use the 2.4 or 2.6 kernel?
[11:51] <knapjack> Edgan: Maybe.  Not my box or hardware.  Trying to help ziggy__ .
[11:51] <penguin_roar> WX, havent ever seen that, suspect its a video driver thing
[11:51] <puvneet> ok
[11:51] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello seb128 welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:51] <goofrider> GMFlash, 2.6.10
[11:51] <GMFlash> thank you
[11:51] <knapjack> Edgan: It sounds like the problem only crops up with mplayer.
[11:51] <_hp_> [X-Pro] DarkGhost, that's pretty annoying
[11:51] <WX> penguin_roar, well i'm using nvidia drivers... currently in a xinerama setup
[11:52] <GMFlash> i'm trying to install it in vmware 5 but keep getting problems during the install
[11:52] <knapjack> WX: How is that going?
[11:52] <WX> penguin_roar, let me check on my IBM T42
[11:52] <ziggy__> knapjack, ls -la /dev/mga_vid
[11:52] <goofrider> _hp_, and agianst channel policy
[11:52] <_hp_> so, is there any utility that will let me pogram my keyboard because i've got special buttons
[11:52] <ziggy__> crw-rw----  1 root video 178, 0 2005-05-15 14:29 /dev/mga_vid
[11:52] <WX> knapjack, i have to use xinerama because twinview doesn't allow 3 LCDs... and it's going just fine
[11:52] <_hp_> this isn't #uberaolhaxors [X-Pro] DarkGhost
[11:52] <knapjack> WX: Nice.
[11:52] <goofrider> _hp_, I remember seeing some appp in tht repo
[11:52] <knapjack> WX: I keep thinking I'll go dual-head one day.
[11:53] <WX> skip dualhead and go triplehead
[11:53] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello astro76 welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:53] <goofrider> stfu [X-Pro] DarkGhost
[11:53] <WX> knapjack, it's annoying not having the *primary* screen in the center
[11:53] <_hp_> any ops around?
[11:53] <count0nz> mine has TV out enabled
[11:53] <_hp_> ajmitch_, bob2, crimsun, daniels, tritium ?
[11:53] <g14> I thought they didn't let bots in here?
[11:53] <penguin_roar> nope, this isnt productive, off to whack some l0sers in ut sniper
[11:54] <count0nz> thats not a bot its a Sentinent Being
[11:54] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello Quest-Master welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:54] <_hp_> g14, they've got mad mIRC scripts to annoy the collective
[11:54] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> its not a bot its a script
[11:54] <_hp_> -[X-Pro] DarkGhost- VERSION mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[11:54] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello usual welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:54] <_hp_> i didn't know mIRC ran on ubuntu
[11:54] <goofrider> [X-Pro] DarkGhost, please turn it off
[11:54] <hypa7ia> [X-Pro] DarkGhost: that is rather annoying.
[11:55] <Edgan>  /ignore [X-Pro] DarkGhost
[11:55] <goofrider> it's VERY annoying and interrupt our convos
[11:55] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello ubuntu welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:55] <usual> is ubuntu a good idea for a server OS?
[11:55] <waterbeetle> _hp_, it isn't mIRC, it is X-Chat
[11:55] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello K_Dallas welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:55] <topyli> please don't add to the noise, just ignore him/her/it
[11:55] <_hp_> waterbeetle, i /version 'ed him
[11:55] <Ghetek> please tell me how to ignore it
[11:55] <waterbeetle> oh
[11:55] <waterbeetle> oh
[11:55] <knapjack> usual: It can be.  I use Debian on mine, but Ubuntu is a lot like using Sarge.
[11:55] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello nxvl welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:55] <puvneet> i have the same problem it says "After unpacking 3490kB of additional disk space will be used.
[11:55] <puvneet> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? Y
[11:55] <puvneet> the I type y and it just says abort
[11:55] <Edgan> usual: In general yes, but there are some cases where it doesn't stand up to the demands, like poor software raid support
[11:55] <_hp_> Ghetek, /ignore
[11:55] <knapjack> usual: Probably a little better, and it's nice getting the security updates for something newer than Woody.
[11:56] <usual> knapjack, yeah I would use debian for a server, but I was wondering if ubuntu is changed in ways that it may not be good for a server
[11:56] <usual> knapjack, true
[11:56] <_hp_> seems ubuntu is not really meant for servers, but for people who want to use linux as their desktop
[11:56] <usual> yeah
[11:56] <hypa7ia> well, you can do the server install
[11:56] <goofrider> _hp_, why do u say that?
[11:56] <usual> but linux is linux
[11:56] <count0nz> ubantu makes a great server type server at the cd boot to install for a server
[11:56] <hypa7ia> which is just base packages
[11:56] <knapjack> usual: The new Hoary installer has a server install, I think you can do a minimal install and do the standard apt-get tricks.  I'm a big debfoster fan, especially on servers, so it should be the same.
[11:56] <topyli> _hp_: it's just as well for a server. pretty much like debian
[11:56] <count0nz> then install only server stuff no X :)
[11:56] <Brandonn> anyone know how I get a DWL-650 wireless card working, it's listed as "just works" in the Ubuntu HCL, but I get "unsupported card in socket 0"
[11:57] <usual> i see
[11:57] <usual> didn't see the server option
[11:57] <_hp_> usual, type server when you install
[11:57] <CarlK> when you install, type "server"
[11:57] <usual> k
[11:57] <CarlK> heh
[11:57] <count0nz> type server when it says boot:
[11:57] <goofrider> usual, type" server at the boot prompt when boot from installer cd
[11:57] <_hp_> i run ubuntu on my home computer but not on my server
[11:57] <mebaran151> my computer randomly halts
[11:57] <Edgan> Hopefully the poor software raid support will be fixed in Breezy
[11:57] <mebaran151> when I encode
[11:57] <mebaran151> how can I fix this problem
[11:57] <CarlK> when you see boot:, hit F1, F2, F3... read all those screens
[11:57] <mebaran151> it seems to halt under very high load
[11:57] <usual> I am using breezy
[11:57] <_hp_> but almost any linux will make a swell server
[11:57] <mebaran151> but under a similar condition in Windows
[11:58] <goofrider> mebaran151, renice???
[11:58] <knapjack> Edgan: Poor RAID support?
[11:58] <mebaran151> nice I dont think is the problem
[11:58] <knapjack> Edgan: Controller or software?
[11:58] <CarlK> mebaran151 - run memtest before you go to bed. the next morning see if it finds any errors
[11:58] <mebaran151> it seems to happen when I dd a cdrom to disk as well
[11:58] <mebaran151> I have done that
[11:58] <Edgan> knapjack: software raid support, the installer lets you create software raid arrays, but won't set any but the first one up correctly
[11:58] <topyli> _hp_: depening on the type of server, you may want something with a longer life time than ubuntu (debian, rhle/clones)...
[11:58] <mebaran151> never returns a single one
[11:58] <mebaran151> returned one once actually
[11:58] <knapjack> Edgan: Ah
[11:58] <mebaran151> I thin
[11:59] <mebaran151> but I dont think that would randomly halt it hard
[11:59] <topyli> _hp_: by life time i mean release cycle of course :)
[11:59] <g14> CentOS4 is the best for a server
[11:59] <_hp_> topyli, my server came with redhat enterprise and i never bothered to change it... it just works
[11:59] <mebaran151> and I mean very hard
[11:59] <knapjack> Edgan: I'm a big fan of 3Ware controllers, so it's been a while since I did software RAID.
[11:59] <mebaran151> requires an unplugging
[11:59] <topyli> _hp_: exactly
[11:59] <ziggy__> /dev/mga_vid Permission Denied
[11:59] <g14> CentOS4 = redhat enterprise 4
[11:59] <CarlK> mebaran151 - cpu getting too hot?
[11:59] <goofrider> g14, CentOS? how?
[11:59] <Edgan> knapjack: They are nice, but I prefer to put my money else where.
[11:59] <_hp_> topyli, although if i ever wanted to change it i would probably install gentoo on it
[11:59] <ziggy__> /dev/mga_vid Permission Denied, knapjack
[12:00] <goofrider> g14 just because it clone RHEL doesn't mean it's the best server dist
[12:00] <topyli> _hp_: too unpredictable :)