| motaboy | night all! | 12:19 |
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| Riddell | guid nicht | 12:19 |
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| Riddell | amu: do you have a working qt 3.3.4 package? did you look at the debian 3.3.4 package? | 11:54 |
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| JRe | l | 03:28 |
| amu | Riddell: i have | 03:34 |
| Riddell | amu: which? | 03:34 |
| amu | Riddell: asap a gcc4 with new names | 03:35 |
| amu | qt-3.3.4, gcc3 | 03:35 |
| Riddell | have you looked at the debian 3.3.4 package? they might have made changes since 3.3.3 I don't know | 03:36 |
| amu | yep, installfiles changed, some bugfixes, nothing special | 03:40 |
| amu | ... | 03:40 |
| Riddell | amu: did you include their changes? | 03:42 |
| amu | there where no code changes, just packaged based, those i did | 03:47 |
| amu | s/packaged/package | 03:47 |
| Riddell | groovy | 03:49 |
| amu | asap get the 3.3.4 with gcc4 builded i'll upthem all, doko need them, otherwise everything will be 3.3.3 based :P | 03:50 |
| Riddell | doko: could you upload the sources to your arts and kdelibs packages you have on people.u.c ? | 03:50 |
| amu | Riddell: doko still has 3.3.3 | 03:51 |
| Riddell | which is why I havn't asked for the sources to his qt :) | 03:52 |
| Riddell | unless you also have arts and kdelibs packages amu? | 03:53 |
| amu | ...unfortunately i didnt get buildd working for a rebuild with gcc4 | 03:53 |
| Riddell | chroot on dev.kubuntu.org.uk works fine with gcc 4 | 03:53 |
| Riddell | unfortunatly doko's kdelibs4-dev depends on kdelibs4 not kdelibs4c2 so it's hard to compile anything above that | 03:54 |
| amu | Riddell: not now, $wife and $child day's the last 48h :) | 03:55 |
| Riddell | amu: could you put the source to your qt somewhere I can gett i? | 03:57 |
| KaiL_ | kdelibs4c2 = gcc4-version? | 04:03 |
| Riddell | KaiL_: correct, kdelibs4 and arts get a c2 ending, qt looses it's c102 ending | 04:04 |
| KaiL_ | ah | 04:04 |
| KaiL_ | already working on your system? | 04:04 |
| doko | Riddell? | 04:04 |
| Riddell | doko: there's no sources to the arts and kdelibs packages at http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/GCC-4.0/ | 04:05 |
| doko | kdelibs4-dev depends on kdelibs4c2 | 04:05 |
| doko | which packages do you use? | 04:06 |
| KaiL_ | quite interesting: all packages are MUCH smaller.... | 04:07 |
| Riddell | doko: you're right, ignore me, I'll rebuild my chroot | 04:08 |
| KaiL_ | kdelibs4: 8.1MB, kdelibs4c2: 7.3MB - would be interesting, if we see that in RAM usage too | 04:09 |
| Riddell | KaiL_: I think that's -fvisibility at play | 04:09 |
| amu | Riddell: got the source? | 04:10 |
| amu | ^k, packages are ready, need to change my ip for faster download | 04:10 |
| Riddell | amu: yep | 04:11 |
| KaiL_ | qt3.3.4 and gcc4 at the same time..? to get shure we don't miss some chance to break? ;) | 04:11 |
| Riddell | thanks | 04:11 |
| Riddell | KaiL_: fixes twice as many problems :) | 04:12 |
| doko | Riddell: the sources are on chinstrap | 04:13 |
| Riddell | doko: don't have an account on that yet, who do I ask? | 04:13 |
| doko | Riddell: elmo | 04:13 |
| Riddell | elmo: can I have an account on chinstrap please? | 04:14 |
| amu | doko: http://195.227.106.195/GCC4 | 04:15 |
| amu | doko: those are the qt3.3.4 & gcc4 | 04:17 |
| amu | Riddell: doko: should i continue with kde.all ? | 04:18 |
| Riddell | amu: thought you were on holiday today :) | 04:19 |
| amu | i was :) a 2 day's break without net is like 1 month holiday | 04:20 |
| amu | packaging now the final one's (qt) | 04:21 |
| doko | amu, Riddell: hmm, what about fixing the KDE FTBFS things from bugzilla first ;) | 04:24 |
| motaboy | Riddell, amu : I'd suggest to disable -fvisibility, it's broken | 04:25 |
| Riddell | motaboy: what's broken about it? | 04:25 |
| motaboy | Riddell: The implementation between qt and some kde programs that will bring to strange crashes | 04:26 |
| motaboy | Riddell: I'm searching for the bug reports... | 04:26 |
| amu | Riddell: do we need the kubuntu_01_qclipboard_hack? | 04:27 |
| motaboy | Riddell, amu: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101542 | 04:28 |
| amu | doko: that's what i asked for ;) | 04:29 |
| motaboy | amu, Riddell: The qt problem will not be fixed in the qt3 release cycle. | 04:29 |
| motaboy | amu, Riddell: so I think that the patch it's needed | 04:29 |
| Riddell | amu: yes, it not fixed until qt 4 | 04:31 |
| amu | Riddell: did you send madkiss the patch? | 04:36 |
| amu | motaboy: thanks | 04:36 |
| Riddell | amu: the kubuntu_01_qclipboard_hack one? no but it was on kde-packager | 04:36 |
| doko | amu, so you disable the visibility switch for KDE? | 04:37 |
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| KaiL_ | disable visibility would be very bad :( | 04:41 |
| amu | doko: let's say otherwise i didnt enabled it :) how i can check it, if it's enabled or not? | 04:41 |
| amu | KaiL_: why? | 04:41 |
| amu | amu@devel:~$ grep visibility qt-x11-free_3.3.4-2ubuntu0.2_i386.build | 04:41 |
| amu | amu@devel:~$ | 04:41 |
| doko | amu: -fvisibility should be on the commandline | 04:41 |
| KaiL_ | spamer packages and faster startup | 04:41 |
| KaiL_ | grr | 04:41 |
| KaiL_ | smaller... | 04:42 |
| KaiL_ | both significant | 04:42 |
| motaboy | amu: it's a configure check | 04:42 |
| motaboy | amu: do you want a patch to disable it? | 04:42 |
| motaboy | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86898 | 04:43 |
| dato | Riddell: is kubuntu_01_qclipboard_hack the one from qt-copy, i.e. http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/qt-copy/patches/0048-qclipboard_hack_80072.patch?rev=310962&view=markup ? | 04:43 |
| doko | motaboy: thanks, fixed it | 04:43 |
| motaboy | dato: yes | 04:44 |
| dato | motaboy: and does -fsibility cause trouble on i386? | 04:44 |
| KaiL_ | is there still any use in using gcc4 with out -fvisibility? | 04:44 |
| dato | the gentoo bug mentions amd64 and ppc. | 04:45 |
| amu | motaboy: yes please | 04:45 |
| Riddell | dato: it is | 04:46 |
| dato | ok, then our 3.3.4 has it | 04:47 |
| motaboy | dato: dunno, What it's said in the bug report is that it's broken independetly from the architecture, maybe on i386 it doesn't crash but I'm not sure | 04:48 |
| KaiL_ | they always mention amd64 and pcc there, but never i386... | 04:50 |
| KaiL_ | try with enabled and if to much crashes, disable? | 04:51 |
| KaiL_ | and this crash on kasteroirds seams to be a reproducable test for the bug...:) | 04:52 |
| motaboy | KaiL_: I used kde 3.4 for some months with visibilty hidden on i386 and I didn't get any crash related to it. | 04:54 |
| motaboy | KaiL_: but this doesn't mean that it's ok, I don't use ALL the kde programs :P | 04:54 |
| KaiL_ | motaboy: do you have kasteroids? | 04:55 |
| motaboy | KaiL_: yes and it doesn't crash | 04:55 |
| KaiL_ | ok, then enabled on i386 for now :) | 04:55 |
| JRe | but on why damn are you working ;) ??? | 04:56 |
| KaiL_ | ...and maybe on amd64 too, some more crashes there are not really visible *g* | 04:56 |
| motaboy | KaiL_: Please read carefully comment #27 on that bug report | 04:57 |
| motaboy | KaiL_: the kde devs suggest to remove it until the kde code is fixed. | 04:58 |
| motaboy | KaiL_: as the kde code is broken. | 04:58 |
| KaiL_ | :( | 04:59 |
| motaboy | KaiL_: The problem is that not all C++ library uses hidden visibility. If all will use them as in windows there weren't crashes... | 05:00 |
| motaboy | this is Hironic... | 05:00 |
| motaboy | (and I'm not able to write in english...) | 05:00 |
| KaiL_ | so this is some function like ACPI, dma for harddisks or composite extension: wonderfull in theory, but completely useless in reality because it's to easy to break? :) | 05:01 |
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| JRe | ;) | 05:06 |
| JRe | nothing has been said in your absence | 05:07 |
| JRe | (on this channel) | 05:07 |
| KaiL | did my rant about to much useless features found it's way before? | 05:07 |
| motaboy | KaiL: ACPI will on my laptop work well! | 05:08 |
| motaboy | KaiL: it report also the temperature... | 05:08 |
| KaiL | most of that "normally" works | 05:08 |
| KaiL | as -fvisibility does ;) | 05:09 |
| KaiL | but for all of that you need to hope, that it works and can not be shure | 05:09 |
| motaboy | KaiL: adding #pragma araound the headers that exports symbols will remove any problem | 05:16 |
| motaboy | KaiL: But I don't know when this will be fixed. | 05:16 |
| motaboy | KaiL: maybe we can kontact Thiago and ask him if he has a final idea on how to fix this issue | 05:17 |
| motaboy | s/kontact/contact | 05:18 |
| KaiL | what does that in practice? | 05:18 |
| KaiL | export everything, where we can't be shure it works without, but doesn't export, where we can be shure? | 05:18 |
| motaboy | KaiL: so we can start patching and commit them to kde SVN. | 05:18 |
| motaboy | KaiL: no | 05:19 |
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| DrGonzo42069 | which automake should my system be setup to use (when using update-alternatives)? | 05:20 |
| DrGonzo42069 | 1.4, 1.5, 1.6 etc? | 05:20 |
| Riddell | DrGonzo42069: 1.9 | 05:20 |
| DrGonzo42069 | awesome thanks | 05:21 |
| DrGonzo42069 | later | 05:21 |
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| KaiL | motaboy: so go and contact him :) | 05:24 |
| motaboy | KaiL: to be honest, I have to much things to do just now on the kde side. And I want to help kubuntu too. I think this step should be left to the one that added the visiblity in kde. | 05:29 |
| motaboy | it's more expert then me on this side | 05:29 |
| motaboy | s/it/he | 05:29 |
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| Riddell | amu: can you make sure your qt changelog inclues all the entries from madkiss | 05:54 |
| motaboy | Riddell: I really think that kexi should be released in koffice. | 05:59 |
| motaboy | Riddell: it has a different release cycle. | 05:59 |
| motaboy | Riddell: I'd like to remove it's compilation from the koffice 1.4 deb, and make a different source just for it | 05:59 |
| Riddell | motaboy: "that kexi should be released in koffice" or shouldn't be? | 06:00 |
| motaboy | Riddell: it has a different release cycle, it's not related to koffice in any way | 06:00 |
| motaboy | Riddell: it's just in the koffice module... | 06:00 |
| motaboy | Riddell: it also doesn't use the koffice's libraries | 06:01 |
| Riddell | motaboy: I think the plan is still to release it with koffice | 06:01 |
| Riddell | they just ignore the koffice string freeze | 06:01 |
| motaboy | Riddell: looks like 0.8 will be released with koffice 1.4. :D they changed they plans respect one month ago | 06:06 |
| motaboy | Riddell: But I think that 0.9 will be release separately from koffice. | 06:07 |
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| KaiL_ | ..everybody already killed his KDE? or why is it so silent here? | 10:18 |
| Riddell | what would you like us to say? | 10:19 |
| vicks | lets all sing a song | 10:35 |
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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu 5.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu | ||
| === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Apr 8 09:50:53 2005 | ||
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| motaboy | Hi all! | 10:07 |
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| JRe | hi | 10:25 |
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| doko | amu, Riddell, haggai: do you want to compile KDE using -fvisibility=hidden, or play it safe? | 11:23 |
| Riddell | doko: I'm tempted to play it safe and not use -fvisibility=hidden | 11:25 |
| Riddell | I think the issue is that qt isn't hidden and that causes problems | 11:25 |
| Riddell | doko: is the g++ change happening today? | 11:26 |
| doko | Riddell: probably not, we're still missing some bits | 11:35 |
| doko | Riddell: ok, I'll update the transition archive then | 11:35 |
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| doko | amu: you did package qt as native package ??? | 11:37 |
| Riddell | doko: what do you mean native package? | 11:53 |
| doko | no .orig.tar.gz | 11:53 |
| doko | and his dsc and tar.gz files are for a different version as well ... amu ... | 11:54 |
| doko | amu: kdelibs-vis.diff is in my home on chinstrap | 12:33 |
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| Riddell | motaboy: fancy taking a look at the package for kat? the author has requested we include it | 01:32 |
| JRe | yeah i saw | 02:04 |
| JRe | http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/kat | 02:04 |
| Riddell | JRe: dood | 02:05 |
| JRe | Riddell: just one error with lintian because there is both bin and lib in the same package but i think it's better than split | 02:06 |
| Riddell | JRe: can you add that and katapult to https://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/MOTUNewPackages | 02:06 |
| JRe | Riddell: I am working the debian packages of an amawing program: Krecipes should i make a package for ubuntu?? | 02:07 |
| Riddell | JRe: someone already has http://mip-lab4.ecn.purdue.edu/~rimbert/ubuntu/ | 02:08 |
| Riddell | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MichaelRimbert | 02:09 |
| JRe | Riddell: true ;) | 02:09 |
| JRe | Riddell: should i give him the adress of my packages, as i have splitted the soft into 2 parts (krecipes and krecipes-data(arch indep)) | 02:11 |
| JRe | ???? | 02:11 |
| Riddell | JRe: can do | 02:11 |
| Riddell | JRe: make a note on https://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/MOTUNewPackages too to say that you have packages split in that way | 02:12 |
| allee | JRe: ping | 02:18 |
| JRe | Riddell: to have more kat fucntionnalities, anyone have to port lib-poppler-qt to kubuntu | 02:18 |
| JRe | Riddell: we should use the debian package source | 02:18 |
| Riddell | doko: does libdbus-qt-1-1 have to be renamed since it depends on kdelibs and qt? | 02:18 |
| doko | yes, daniels or I take care of it | 02:19 |
| Riddell | JRe: libpoppler0-qt is in breezy | 02:19 |
| JRe | Riddell: okay kool :) | 02:19 |
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| motaboy | Riddell: I'll take a look at it. But I'd like to suggsest the author to post also about it's project on the kde-devel mailing list. So he can also get more suggestions and a possible inclusion in kde 4 core modules. | 02:28 |
| motaboy | Riddell: there was a talk some time ago in that ML about search services. | 02:29 |
| Riddell | motaboy: JRe is already doing kat | 02:29 |
| motaboy | Riddell: ok | 02:30 |
| amu | moin' | 02:40 |
| JRe | amu: what does mean moin' ? | 02:41 |
| amu | morning | 02:41 |
| JRe | okay | 02:42 |
| amu | ;) | 02:42 |
| JRe | actually it's the afternoon where i am ;) (internet always time distorting) | 02:42 |
| amu | JRe: right :) | 02:44 |
| JRe | Riddell: is it important for package in the universe to have the ubuntu naming scope (version-0ubuntu1)? | 03:00 |
| Riddell | JRe: yes, else the debian importer will get confused | 03:02 |
| JRe | okay you're right | 03:02 |
| JRe | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=24251 => should be a good feature for kubuntu! should i pavkage? | 03:16 |
| Riddell | JRe: yeah | 03:17 |
| Riddell | I need to check that out | 03:17 |
| JRe | i had contact with a guy with goog knowledge, exosip should be packaged to | 03:18 |
| JRe | i am going to work on that | 03:19 |
| JRe | Wow it's near to be the perfect packager nightmare ;) zip source and unpackaged lib in uppercase ;) | 03:25 |
| Riddell | zip is no problem, you just unzip and tar.gzx it for the .orig | 03:30 |
| JRe | yeah that's what i did | 03:31 |
| JRe | ;) | 03:31 |
| Riddell | JRe: I get a compile error on sound/unix/AudioDevice.cpp | 03:45 |
| JRe | with what ? | 03:45 |
| JRe | wnego? | 03:45 |
| JRe | s/wnego/wengo | 03:46 |
| Riddell | yes | 03:46 |
| JRe | you have first to compile exosip | 03:47 |
| JRe | and in order to compile exosip you have to compile corelibrairy | 03:47 |
| JRe | that's where i am i the impressive build dep list ;) | 03:47 |
| Riddell | hmm | 03:47 |
| JRe | because it's seem there is some deps in java :( | 03:48 |
| JRe | it seems to be a packaging challenge ;) | 03:49 |
| allee | JRe: I see ;) | 03:49 |
| Riddell | where? | 03:49 |
| JRe | wengo => many deps to be packaged | 03:49 |
| JRe | cool corelibrairy compile without trouble | 03:53 |
| Riddell | JRe: where is corelibrary? | 03:54 |
| JRe | Riddell: http://corelibrary.sourceforge.net/ | 03:55 |
| Riddell | wengo doesn't say anywhere that it needs that | 03:56 |
| JRe | Riddell: i thinks it's a dep because when i compiled exosip i had a mediastream.h file not fuond error and mediastream.h is part of corelibrairy | 03:56 |
| JRe | wengo only tells that exosip is a dep | 03:56 |
| JRe | Riddell: but maybe i am wrong | 03:57 |
| Riddell | I get no such error, but I don't have a mediastream.h | 03:59 |
| JRe | http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/exosip/ | 03:59 |
| JRe | Riddell: you compiled exosip without trouble ? | 04:00 |
| Riddell | the wifo directory seems to compile file | 04:00 |
| Riddell | hmm, needs libqt3-compat-headers | 04:00 |
| JRe | Riddell: -> there is eXosip in the wifo dir you're rights and alos lib-osip2 | 04:01 |
| Riddell | the README file could do with some clarification | 04:02 |
| Riddell | qmake wifo.pro | 04:02 |
| JRe | Riddell: there is some old qt widget required? may be it's because of the window version | 04:03 |
| JRe | Riddell: wow there is a lot of cleaning to do there is no need to reompile lib-osip2 i think | 04:04 |
| Riddell | yeah, needs libqt3-compat-headers | 04:04 |
| JRe | Riddell: you managed to compile it? | 04:10 |
| JRe | Riddell: i think the upstream is compiling mostly under windows | 04:14 |
| JRe | allee: knemo is so good! have you made a deb pkg too? | 04:18 |
| allee | JRe: http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/debian/sid/Pkgs.php | 04:19 |
| JRe | allee: thks ;) | 04:20 |
| Riddell | JRe: nope | 04:21 |
| Riddell | tmp/obj/AudioWidget.o(.text+0x8ad):config/AudioWidget.cpp:103: undefined reference to `AudioDevice::getOutputMixerDeviceList()' | 04:21 |
| Riddell | linker error | 04:21 |
| JRe | Riddell: i have a linker error too | 04:21 |
| allee | JRe: Oh, no kubuntified deb in archive. I'll do it with next pending .deb update | 04:22 |
| JRe | ;) | 04:22 |
| JRe | okay doesn't matter i don't have network since i am in a foreign country, i'll have it only it two month when i'll come back home | 04:23 |
| JRe | but for the work under kubuntu it0s perfect ;) | 04:24 |
| JRe | highly configurable | 04:24 |
| JRe | allee: i' love to have the network scanner in the tooltip ;) | 04:25 |
| JRe | allee: s/i'/i'd/ | 04:26 |
| allee | JRe: Yes, initial setup can be (much) improved | 04:26 |
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| nanomad | is kde media mount bug still opened? or it was resolved? | 04:40 |
| Riddell | nanomad: in breezy? | 04:40 |
| nanomad | yes | 04:40 |
| Riddell | still open | 04:41 |
| nanomad | :( | 04:41 |
| nanomad | i hoped it was my system :( | 04:41 |
| nanomad | no known hacks? | 04:41 |
| Riddell | could try compiling CVS head | 04:46 |
| nanomad | bug submitted...hope someone will notic that | 04:52 |
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| Riddell | amu: "artwork, changed background, bootsplash" take it that's gnoppix not kubuntu? | 06:38 |
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| amu | Riddell: gnoppix & gnome :) | 07:45 |
| Riddell | amu: got a copy anywhere for us to see? | 07:46 |
| amu | Riddell: yep working on the long wished 1.0 release ;) ... guess tonight the final image is ready | 07:47 |
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