[12:19] night all! [12:19] guid nicht === Riddell_ [jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === crimsun_ [~crimsun@crimsun.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KaiL [~KaiL@p5485F5EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-197-172.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ttf [~tom@p83.129.16.89.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === count0nz [~phillip@60-234-131-154.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === count0nz [~phillip@60-234-131-154.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === motaboy [~motaboy@host85-39.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |QuaD- [~QuaD@beac872-0b01-dhcp157.bu.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |QuaD- [~QuaD@beac872-0b01-dhcp157.bu.edu] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> orwell.freenode.net === Riddell [jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |QuaD- [~QuaD@beac872-0b01-dhcp137.bu.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |QuaD- [~QuaD@beac872-0b01-dhcp137.bu.edu] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [11:54] amu: do you have a working qt 3.3.4 package? did you look at the debian 3.3.4 package? === KaiL [~KaiL@p5485F5EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-212-246.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KaiL_ [~KaiL@p5485E8BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:28] l [03:34] Riddell: i have [03:34] amu: which? [03:35] Riddell: asap a gcc4 with new names [03:35] qt-3.3.4, gcc3 [03:36] have you looked at the debian 3.3.4 package? they might have made changes since 3.3.3 I don't know [03:40] yep, installfiles changed, some bugfixes, nothing special [03:40] ... [03:42] amu: did you include their changes? [03:47] there where no code changes, just packaged based, those i did [03:47] s/packaged/package [03:49] groovy [03:50] asap get the 3.3.4 with gcc4 builded i'll upthem all, doko need them, otherwise everything will be 3.3.3 based :P [03:50] doko: could you upload the sources to your arts and kdelibs packages you have on people.u.c ? [03:51] Riddell: doko still has 3.3.3 [03:52] which is why I havn't asked for the sources to his qt :) [03:53] unless you also have arts and kdelibs packages amu? [03:53] ...unfortunately i didnt get buildd working for a rebuild with gcc4 [03:53] chroot on dev.kubuntu.org.uk works fine with gcc 4 [03:54] unfortunatly doko's kdelibs4-dev depends on kdelibs4 not kdelibs4c2 so it's hard to compile anything above that [03:55] Riddell: not now, $wife and $child day's the last 48h :) [03:57] amu: could you put the source to your qt somewhere I can gett i? [04:03] kdelibs4c2 = gcc4-version? [04:04] KaiL_: correct, kdelibs4 and arts get a c2 ending, qt looses it's c102 ending [04:04] ah [04:04] already working on your system? [04:04] Riddell? [04:05] doko: there's no sources to the arts and kdelibs packages at http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/GCC-4.0/ [04:05] kdelibs4-dev depends on kdelibs4c2 [04:06] which packages do you use? [04:07] quite interesting: all packages are MUCH smaller.... [04:08] doko: you're right, ignore me, I'll rebuild my chroot [04:09] kdelibs4: 8.1MB, kdelibs4c2: 7.3MB - would be interesting, if we see that in RAM usage too [04:09] KaiL_: I think that's -fvisibility at play [04:10] Riddell: got the source? [04:10] ^k, packages are ready, need to change my ip for faster download [04:11] amu: yep [04:11] qt3.3.4 and gcc4 at the same time..? to get shure we don't miss some chance to break? ;) [04:11] thanks [04:12] KaiL_: fixes twice as many problems :) [04:13] Riddell: the sources are on chinstrap [04:13] doko: don't have an account on that yet, who do I ask? [04:13] Riddell: elmo [04:14] elmo: can I have an account on chinstrap please? [04:15] doko: http://195.227.106.195/GCC4 [04:17] doko: those are the qt3.3.4 & gcc4 [04:18] Riddell: doko: should i continue with kde.all ? [04:19] amu: thought you were on holiday today :) [04:20] i was :) a 2 day's break without net is like 1 month holiday [04:21] packaging now the final one's (qt) [04:24] amu, Riddell: hmm, what about fixing the KDE FTBFS things from bugzilla first ;) [04:25] Riddell, amu : I'd suggest to disable -fvisibility, it's broken [04:25] motaboy: what's broken about it? [04:26] Riddell: The implementation between qt and some kde programs that will bring to strange crashes [04:26] Riddell: I'm searching for the bug reports... [04:27] Riddell: do we need the kubuntu_01_qclipboard_hack? [04:28] Riddell, amu: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101542 [04:29] doko: that's what i asked for ;) [04:29] amu, Riddell: The qt problem will not be fixed in the qt3 release cycle. [04:29] amu, Riddell: so I think that the patch it's needed [04:31] amu: yes, it not fixed until qt 4 [04:36] Riddell: did you send madkiss the patch? [04:36] motaboy: thanks [04:36] amu: the kubuntu_01_qclipboard_hack one? no but it was on kde-packager [04:37] amu, so you disable the visibility switch for KDE? === motaboy loves kubuntu_01_qclipboard_hack or a lot of people will get an unusable konqueror... [04:41] disable visibility would be very bad :( [04:41] doko: let's say otherwise i didnt enabled it :) how i can check it, if it's enabled or not? [04:41] KaiL_: why? [04:41] amu@devel:~$ grep visibility qt-x11-free_3.3.4-2ubuntu0.2_i386.build [04:41] amu@devel:~$ [04:41] amu: -fvisibility should be on the commandline [04:41] spamer packages and faster startup [04:41] grr [04:42] smaller... [04:42] both significant [04:42] amu: it's a configure check [04:42] amu: do you want a patch to disable it? [04:43] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86898 [04:43] Riddell: is kubuntu_01_qclipboard_hack the one from qt-copy, i.e. http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/qt-copy/patches/0048-qclipboard_hack_80072.patch?rev=310962&view=markup ? [04:43] motaboy: thanks, fixed it [04:44] dato: yes [04:44] motaboy: and does -fsibility cause trouble on i386? [04:44] is there still any use in using gcc4 with out -fvisibility? [04:45] the gentoo bug mentions amd64 and ppc. [04:45] motaboy: yes please [04:46] dato: it is [04:47] ok, then our 3.3.4 has it [04:48] dato: dunno, What it's said in the bug report is that it's broken independetly from the architecture, maybe on i386 it doesn't crash but I'm not sure [04:50] they always mention amd64 and pcc there, but never i386... [04:51] try with enabled and if to much crashes, disable? [04:52] and this crash on kasteroirds seams to be a reproducable test for the bug...:) [04:54] KaiL_: I used kde 3.4 for some months with visibilty hidden on i386 and I didn't get any crash related to it. [04:54] KaiL_: but this doesn't mean that it's ok, I don't use ALL the kde programs :P [04:55] motaboy: do you have kasteroids? [04:55] KaiL_: yes and it doesn't crash [04:55] ok, then enabled on i386 for now :) [04:56] but on why damn are you working ;) ??? [04:56] ...and maybe on amd64 too, some more crashes there are not really visible *g* [04:57] KaiL_: Please read carefully comment #27 on that bug report [04:58] KaiL_: the kde devs suggest to remove it until the kde code is fixed. [04:58] KaiL_: as the kde code is broken. [04:59] :( [05:00] KaiL_: The problem is that not all C++ library uses hidden visibility. If all will use them as in windows there weren't crashes... [05:00] this is Hironic... [05:00] (and I'm not able to write in english...) [05:01] so this is some function like ACPI, dma for harddisks or composite extension: wonderfull in theory, but completely useless in reality because it's to easy to break? :) === KaiL [~KaiL@p5485C7F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KaiL loves his ISP for disconnections at the wrong time [05:06] ;) [05:07] nothing has been said in your absence [05:07] (on this channel) [05:07] did my rant about to much useless features found it's way before? [05:08] KaiL: ACPI will on my laptop work well! [05:08] KaiL: it report also the temperature... [05:08] most of that "normally" works [05:09] as -fvisibility does ;) [05:09] but for all of that you need to hope, that it works and can not be shure [05:16] KaiL: adding #pragma araound the headers that exports symbols will remove any problem [05:16] KaiL: But I don't know when this will be fixed. [05:17] KaiL: maybe we can kontact Thiago and ask him if he has a final idea on how to fix this issue [05:18] s/kontact/contact [05:18] what does that in practice? [05:18] export everything, where we can't be shure it works without, but doesn't export, where we can be shure? [05:18] KaiL: so we can start patching and commit them to kde SVN. [05:19] KaiL: no === DrGonzo42069 [~DrGonzo42@c-67-171-159-228.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:20] which automake should my system be setup to use (when using update-alternatives)? [05:20] 1.4, 1.5, 1.6 etc? [05:20] DrGonzo42069: 1.9 [05:21] awesome thanks [05:21] later === DrGonzo42069 [~DrGonzo42@c-67-171-159-228.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [05:24] motaboy: so go and contact him :) [05:29] KaiL: to be honest, I have to much things to do just now on the kde side. And I want to help kubuntu too. I think this step should be left to the one that added the visiblity in kde. [05:29] it's more expert then me on this side [05:29] s/it/he === KaiL_ [~KaiL@p5485C7F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:54] amu: can you make sure your qt changelog inclues all the entries from madkiss [05:59] Riddell: I really think that kexi should be released in koffice. [05:59] Riddell: it has a different release cycle. [05:59] Riddell: I'd like to remove it's compilation from the koffice 1.4 deb, and make a different source just for it [06:00] motaboy: "that kexi should be released in koffice" or shouldn't be? [06:00] Riddell: it has a different release cycle, it's not related to koffice in any way [06:00] Riddell: it's just in the koffice module... [06:01] Riddell: it also doesn't use the koffice's libraries [06:01] motaboy: I think the plan is still to release it with koffice [06:01] they just ignore the koffice string freeze [06:06] Riddell: looks like 0.8 will be released with koffice 1.4. :D they changed they plans respect one month ago [06:07] Riddell: But I think that 0.9 will be release separately from koffice. === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-213-004.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ttf [~tom@p83.129.16.89.tisdip.tiscali.de] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === ttf [~tom@ipx20310.ipxserver.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ttf [~tom@ipx20310.ipxserver.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vicks [~chatzilla@c-3cdb70d5.019-22-6c6b7011.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:18] ..everybody already killed his KDE? or why is it so silent here? [10:19] what would you like us to say? [10:35] lets all sing a song === vicks [~chatzilla@c-3cdb70d5.019-22-6c6b7011.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === warthylog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu 5.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Apr 8 09:50:53 2005 === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === motaboy [~motaboy@host91-36.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:07] Hi all! === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-205-075.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:25] hi === allee [~ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell [~jr@jasmine.wyrdweb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:23] amu, Riddell, haggai: do you want to compile KDE using -fvisibility=hidden, or play it safe? [11:25] doko: I'm tempted to play it safe and not use -fvisibility=hidden [11:25] I think the issue is that qt isn't hidden and that causes problems [11:26] doko: is the g++ change happening today? [11:35] Riddell: probably not, we're still missing some bits [11:35] Riddell: ok, I'll update the transition archive then === Riddell_ [jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:37] amu: you did package qt as native package ??? [11:53] doko: what do you mean native package? [11:53] no .orig.tar.gz [11:54] and his dsc and tar.gz files are for a different version as well ... amu ... [12:33] amu: kdelibs-vis.diff is in my home on chinstrap === motaboy [~motaboy@host91-36.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:32] motaboy: fancy taking a look at the package for kat? the author has requested we include it [02:04] yeah i saw [02:04] http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/kat [02:05] JRe: dood [02:06] Riddell: just one error with lintian because there is both bin and lib in the same package but i think it's better than split [02:06] JRe: can you add that and katapult to https://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/MOTUNewPackages [02:07] Riddell: I am working the debian packages of an amawing program: Krecipes should i make a package for ubuntu?? [02:08] JRe: someone already has http://mip-lab4.ecn.purdue.edu/~rimbert/ubuntu/ [02:09] https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MichaelRimbert [02:09] Riddell: true ;) [02:11] Riddell: should i give him the adress of my packages, as i have splitted the soft into 2 parts (krecipes and krecipes-data(arch indep)) [02:11] ???? [02:11] JRe: can do [02:12] JRe: make a note on https://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/MOTUNewPackages too to say that you have packages split in that way [02:18] JRe: ping [02:18] Riddell: to have more kat fucntionnalities, anyone have to port lib-poppler-qt to kubuntu [02:18] Riddell: we should use the debian package source [02:18] doko: does libdbus-qt-1-1 have to be renamed since it depends on kdelibs and qt? [02:19] yes, daniels or I take care of it [02:19] JRe: libpoppler0-qt is in breezy [02:19] Riddell: okay kool :) === motaboy [~motaboy@host91-36.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:28] Riddell: I'll take a look at it. But I'd like to suggsest the author to post also about it's project on the kde-devel mailing list. So he can also get more suggestions and a possible inclusion in kde 4 core modules. [02:29] Riddell: there was a talk some time ago in that ML about search services. [02:29] motaboy: JRe is already doing kat [02:30] Riddell: ok [02:40] moin' [02:41] amu: what does mean moin' ? [02:41] morning [02:42] okay [02:42] ;) [02:42] actually it's the afternoon where i am ;) (internet always time distorting) [02:44] JRe: right :) [03:00] Riddell: is it important for package in the universe to have the ubuntu naming scope (version-0ubuntu1)? [03:02] JRe: yes, else the debian importer will get confused [03:02] okay you're right [03:16] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=24251 => should be a good feature for kubuntu! should i pavkage? [03:17] JRe: yeah [03:17] I need to check that out [03:18] i had contact with a guy with goog knowledge, exosip should be packaged to [03:19] i am going to work on that [03:25] Wow it's near to be the perfect packager nightmare ;) zip source and unpackaged lib in uppercase ;) [03:30] zip is no problem, you just unzip and tar.gzx it for the .orig [03:31] yeah that's what i did [03:31] ;) [03:45] JRe: I get a compile error on sound/unix/AudioDevice.cpp [03:45] with what ? [03:45] wnego? [03:46] s/wnego/wengo [03:46] yes [03:47] you have first to compile exosip [03:47] and in order to compile exosip you have to compile corelibrairy [03:47] that's where i am i the impressive build dep list ;) [03:47] hmm [03:48] because it's seem there is some deps in java :( [03:49] it seems to be a packaging challenge ;) [03:49] JRe: I see ;) [03:49] where? [03:49] wengo => many deps to be packaged [03:53] cool corelibrairy compile without trouble [03:54] JRe: where is corelibrary? [03:55] Riddell: http://corelibrary.sourceforge.net/ [03:56] wengo doesn't say anywhere that it needs that [03:56] Riddell: i thinks it's a dep because when i compiled exosip i had a mediastream.h file not fuond error and mediastream.h is part of corelibrairy [03:56] wengo only tells that exosip is a dep [03:57] Riddell: but maybe i am wrong [03:59] I get no such error, but I don't have a mediastream.h [03:59] http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/exosip/ [04:00] Riddell: you compiled exosip without trouble ? [04:00] the wifo directory seems to compile file [04:00] hmm, needs libqt3-compat-headers [04:01] Riddell: -> there is eXosip in the wifo dir you're rights and alos lib-osip2 [04:02] the README file could do with some clarification [04:02] qmake wifo.pro [04:03] Riddell: there is some old qt widget required? may be it's because of the window version [04:04] Riddell: wow there is a lot of cleaning to do there is no need to reompile lib-osip2 i think [04:04] yeah, needs libqt3-compat-headers [04:10] Riddell: you managed to compile it? [04:14] Riddell: i think the upstream is compiling mostly under windows [04:18] allee: knemo is so good! have you made a deb pkg too? [04:19] JRe: http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/debian/sid/Pkgs.php [04:20] allee: thks ;) [04:21] JRe: nope [04:21] tmp/obj/AudioWidget.o(.text+0x8ad):config/AudioWidget.cpp:103: undefined reference to `AudioDevice::getOutputMixerDeviceList()' [04:21] linker error [04:21] Riddell: i have a linker error too [04:22] JRe: Oh, no kubuntified deb in archive. I'll do it with next pending .deb update [04:22] ;) [04:23] okay doesn't matter i don't have network since i am in a foreign country, i'll have it only it two month when i'll come back home [04:24] but for the work under kubuntu it0s perfect ;) [04:24] highly configurable [04:25] allee: i' love to have the network scanner in the tooltip ;) [04:26] allee: s/i'/i'd/ [04:26] JRe: Yes, initial setup can be (much) improved === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-063-208.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KaiL [KaiL@p548F37C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nanomad [~nanomad@d81-211-249-119.cust.tele2.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:40] is kde media mount bug still opened? or it was resolved? [04:40] nanomad: in breezy? [04:40] yes [04:41] still open [04:41] :( [04:41] i hoped it was my system :( [04:41] no known hacks? [04:46] could try compiling CVS head [04:52] bug submitted...hope someone will notic that === KaiL [KaiL@p548F7C96.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KaiL [KaiL@p548F5FAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [~ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:38] amu: "artwork, changed background, bootsplash" take it that's gnoppix not kubuntu? === KaiL [KaiL@p548F5FAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [~ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [~ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [~ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:45] Riddell: gnoppix & gnome :) [07:46] amu: got a copy anywhere for us to see? 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