[12:01] <kay> KaiL: just a bit slow i guess
[12:02] <KaiL> kay: I think so. A bit ago I had KDE3 on my K6-2/300 with 128MB, but even that was not the fastest
[12:02] <yahalom> KaiL: so kubuntu might work on their system?
[12:02] <vicks> if i may jump in the discussion. i think synaptic is almost cnr, and some changes would make even more so. if they used app-names instead packagenames in an package-handler that would make thing esier for the n00bs
[12:02] <yahalom> thoreauputic: meaning that i need to start thinking
[12:03] <KaiL> yahalom: if you take the RAM from 4 computers together into one, yes
[12:03] <kay> vicks: I am sure it's coming to that
[12:03] <yahalom> KaiL: yay how fun. Ok I'm fired.
[12:03] <thoreauputic> yahalom: read that link I gave you earlier - it's quite illuminating
[12:03] <kay> vicks: And after all, that's about the only thing Linspire did
[12:04] <yahalom> vicks: no boubt this synaptic/kynaptic is going to become very cool at the end.
[12:04] <yahalom> thoreauputic: i am.
[12:04] <KaiL> thoreauputic: what kind of X-Server damn small linux uses?
[12:04] <vicks> yeah
[12:04] <thoreauputic> KaiL: I forget exactly - it's a cut down version - kserver or something?
[12:05] <thoreauputic> or kX ? 
[12:05] <KaiL> I thing, that could be a start
[12:05] <kay> kdrive?
[12:05] <thoreauputic> not sure - but hteir site has info
[12:05] <thoreauputic> kay: that could be it
[12:05] <KaiL> ...but I don't have such slow hardware around
[12:05] <kay> but IBM had xfree on clocks i think, X is really not that big
[12:05] <yahalom> thoreauputic: would damn small linux work?
[12:05] <KaiL> kay: Xfree86/Xorg _IS_ big
[12:05] <thoreauputic> yahalom: yes, but it uses Fluxbox ;-)
[12:06] <yahalom> thoreauputic: i saw the live cd, that was fluxbox?
[12:06] <kay> KaiL: Well, you can strip down quite a lot, it's all modules
[12:06] <thoreauputic> yahalom: also some pentiums won't boot from  a Cd
[12:06] <KaiL> kay: but how far?
[12:06] <thoreauputic> yahalom: yes it's a live CD, but can be installed as well
[12:06] <kay> KaiL: Well, good enough to run on these tiny devices like zaurus
[12:06] <KaiL> even they have >100MB RAM
[12:06] <yahalom> thoreauputic: yeah this computer i'm talking about crashed on the kubuntu live CD. it refused to run it. is this what i'll see after the installation?
[12:07] <KaiL> ...but not 16
[12:07] <kay> KaiL: i think one megabyte at runtime is enough
[12:07] <thoreauputic> yahalom: it's a tweaked fluxbox with Icons etc
[12:07] <KaiL> hmm
[12:07] <kay> KaiL: for X
[12:07] <yahalom> thoreauputic: ok so fluxbox didnt look bad.
[12:07] <jormundgand> I'm trying to install Baghira and when I do ./configure I get the following error: configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:07] <jormundgand> What do I do?
[12:07] <thoreauputic> yahalom: flux is nice - just "different"
[12:07] <KaiL> here Xorg takes around 35MB
[12:07] <kay> apt-get install x-dev 
[12:08] <yahalom> thoreauputic: i only used a naked fluxbox once. really simple and i could hardly find it on my desktop
[12:08] <kay> KaiL: That is the pixmaps of the many programs running that get attributed to X
[12:08] <psn> KaiL: including video mem
[12:08] <kay> KaiL: That is not what it is using as memory for itself
[12:08] <yahalom> thoreauputic: didnt know DSL was using fluxbox, cos that was sweet.
[12:08] <thoreauputic> yahalom: the newer fluxboxes have some nice eye candy, actually
[12:08] <yahalom> thoreauputic: so maybe DSL is my solution?
[12:09] <KaiL> kay: but you get that freed, if you stop X, so it's relevant ;)
[12:09] <thoreauputic> yahalom: worth a shot anyway
[12:09] <KaiL> yahalom: at least you should try it
[12:09] <thoreauputic> yahalom: on an old box like that, it should be OK
[12:09] <kay> KaiL: Well, if you don't run KDE it would be lower... see?
[12:09] <jormundgand> kay: new error: configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed. Since configure can't find it itself, we stop here assuming that make wouldn't find them either.
[12:09] <yahalom> well its or that or "u ruined my pc u $%$%#@"
[12:09] <KaiL> kay: difference between KDE3.4 and XFce 4: 8MB :)
[12:10] <kay> jormundgand: apt-get build-bep kdebase
[12:10] <yahalom> thoreauputic: u reckon they still be impressed with linux?
[12:10] <KaiL> -> not relevant for every computer with >100MB
[12:10] <kay> jormundgand: and apt-get build-dep kdeartwork
[12:10] <thoreauputic> KaiL: KDE 3.4 feels pretty snappy here : it's definitely improved
[12:10] <yahalom> KaiL: u serious? kde seems so much heavier.
[12:10] <kay> yahalom: Your assumptions are broken, somwhat.
[12:10] <thoreauputic> yahalom: it depends what they expect
[12:10] <KaiL> yahalom: it isn't
[12:10] <kay> yahalom: First, Win98 was a fine OS
[12:11] <kay> yahalom: Second, you can use Firefox on these machines to surf
[12:11] <KaiL> Firefox on a P1?
[12:11] <KaiL> lol
[12:11] <kay> yahalom: Third, almost no virus today attack Win98 anymore
[12:11] <yahalom> kay: lol "u can use firefox, so smile people" most people dont even know what firefox is.
[12:11] <thoreauputic> kay: In my experience, firefox is sluggish on a pentium 200mmx
[12:11] <KaiL> again the old problem: RAM
[12:12] <thoreauputic> with 64MB RAM
[12:12] <yahalom> kay: especially when they're over 50
[12:12] <kay> Well, how ARE they going to see the web then
[12:12] <KaiL> Firefox requires 32MB
[12:12] <kay> Konqueror suffers the same problem
[12:12] <thoreauputic> kay: dillo is OK for some things
[12:12] <KaiL> kay: right.
[12:12] <yahalom> kay: links
[12:12] <yahalom> kay: let them use damn text mode.
[12:12] <thoreauputic> yahalom: haha
[12:12] <kay> Ah common, what can you see then anyway
[12:12] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:12] <KaiL> maybe a bit better, if you run kde, as most is shared mem with other apps
[12:12] <yahalom> kay: i mean that is all they will have tomorrow
[12:13] <kay> Ah you were wise and did backup
[12:13] <KaiL> yahalom: try damn small linux on one of that computers
[12:13] <KaiL> then you can start to add more comfort, if it's "to fast" :)
[12:13] <kay> yeah, specialists are needed
[12:14] <yahalom> kay: ok i'll do it. does DSL support other languages?
[12:14] <kkathman> hey there KaiL  :)
[12:14] <Tm_T> haaha! now I got Firefox 1.0.4 \o/
[12:14] <KaiL> hi kkathman 
[12:14] <thoreauputic> yahalom: modern desktop linux on a Pentium 100 is, umm, a "challenge"
[12:14] <thoreauputic> pentium I I mean
[12:14] <kkathman> Tm_T any major differences between 1.0.3 and 1.0.4 ?
[12:15] <KaiL> thoreauputic: it already was 5 years ago
[12:15] <yahalom> thoreauputic: well i wish it was pentium 2 
[12:15] <yahalom> thoreauputic: to think that all this started with their sound not working.
[12:15] <KaiL> I had some tries with debian, a P75 and 24MB in 2000 or 2001
[12:15] <Tm_T> kkathman: you mean between 1.0.2(newest in ubuntu) and 1.0.4?
[12:15] <KaiL> gave up, because uusable slow
[12:15] <thoreauputic> kkathman: security mostly
[12:15] <kay> yahalom: which lang do you need?
[12:16] <yahalom> kay: hebrew
[12:16] <KaiL> kkathman: security updates, of which most got backported
[12:16] <thoreauputic> kkathman: the ubuntu 1.0.2 has been patched now
[12:16] <kay> yeah, right.... you are making jokes out of us, right?
[12:16] <kay> For Hebrew you will need the latest greatest stuff
[12:16] <kkathman> Tm_T I have 1.0.3 from the mozilla site tho
[12:16] <yahalom> kay: or the we go
[12:16] <kkathman> ahh ok
[12:16] <Tm_T> kkathman: nice
[12:17] <KaiL> kay: is that any better on windows?
[12:17] <KaiL> :)
[12:17] <Tm_T> thoreauputic: but it doesn't help, try use it and go to https://addons.mozilla.org/
[12:17] <kkathman> but on the windows version I get a notice of update, too bad the Linux version doesnt do that :(
[12:17] <yahalom> kay: man this converting the world to linux is tough
[12:17] <kay> Ok, I found Boten Linux
[12:17] <KaiL> kkathman: it does in some situations
[12:17] <kay> Boten GNU/Linux is intended for home users and provides a fully-localized GNU/Linux environment in Hebrew. It's especially made for those new to Linux, though aimed to please all users, experts and newbies alike. It's currently based around the 2.4 Linux kernel series (USB supported) and the GNU C Library version 2.2.5 (libc6 ELF). Boten GNU/Linux could be installed in a UMSDOS partition as well and can run on 386 systems all the way up to the late
[12:17] <kay>  released April 21, 2003.
[12:17] <yahalom> kay: Boten Linux?
[12:17] <thoreauputic> Tm_T: yes, this is something they are aware of ( see mailing list)
[12:17] <kay> Can run on 386 and is fully localized to Hebrew
[12:18] <yahalom> kay: ur fast! what government agency u work for?
[12:18] <kay> Hehe yahalom, not yours
[12:18] <KaiL> I wonder, if they mean "i386 arch" or "i386 CPU" :)
[12:18] <jormundgand> Okay, I did configure, make and make install, am I done now?
[12:18] <kay> yahalom: Actually i just went to lwn.net and looked at the distribution list
[12:19] <kkathman> Tm_T so ubuntu has the 1.0.4 in apt?
[12:19] <yahalom> kay: u know what i'm going to build pcs shipped with kubuntu or ubuntu at fair prices. then my problem will be sorted.
[12:19] <kay> Well, for that you can just ask HP
[12:20] <yahalom> kay: But HP adds a lot of price to their price. (did that make sense?"
[12:20] <kay> They already do that... or here in Germany, tuxhardware.de, the notebook i am using is from them, came with ... shiver... Gentoo preinstalled
[12:20] <Tm_T> kkathman: nope =)
[12:20] <yahalom> kay: i'm not looking to pay more than my bills and to provide people with a working pc.
[12:21] <thoreauputic> work around for firefox update not allowing themes/extensions: 
[12:21] <thoreauputic> 'general.useragent.vendorSub' to '1.0.4'
[12:21] <kay> If you want to achieve that, you ought to work for people with money :p
[12:21] <thoreauputic> in about:config
[12:21] <Tm_T> kkathman: I just replaced Firefox files with new ones ;p
[12:21] <yahalom> kay: yeah i build a pc once with mandrake preinstalled . dont ask me why.
[12:21] <yahalom> kay: i was bored.
[12:21] <kay> well, and overly optimistic too
[12:22] <yahalom> kay: yeah they made me give them windows within 2 hours
[12:22] <yahalom> kay: cos they wanted to run some stupid planet game
[12:22] <kay> You know, Windows is not so bad after all
[12:22] <yahalom> kay: which didnt work on winxp anyway it was from 3.1
[12:22] <kay> Ah... some DOS stuff?
[12:23] <yahalom> kay: it's the principle man
[12:23] <kay> Well, you could try Wine in that case.
[12:23] <yahalom> kay: pcs were made to make people's live easier not to rip them off
[12:23] <yahalom> kay: no not even dos
[12:23] <kay> Actually, PCs were made to make money for IBM
[12:24] <yahalom> kay: wine has no sound
[12:24] <yahalom> kay: cedega wants 5$ a month
[12:24] <kay> oh it does, i heard it once
[12:24] <yahalom> kay: really? 
[12:24] <kay> And I was not talking of cedega.
[12:24] <yahalom> kay: i tried dosbox that was fine.
[12:24] <yahalom> kay: well almost.
[12:24] <kay> Sure... but I was only toying with it, never used it really, we use terminal servers at work for the stuff that still needs windows
[12:25] <vicks> thoreauputic: why does ubuntu patch the firefox 1.0.2 instead of use the 1.0.4 version (or did i misunderstand something?)
[12:25] <yahalom> kay: can they watch dvds and stuff with DSL?
[12:25] <thoreauputic> vicks: it's now "stable" ( ie frozen) So all security updates apply to existing versions
[12:26] <kay> yahalom: On the P1, right?
[12:26] <vicks> ok
[12:26] <yahalom> kay: yes
[12:26] <thoreauputic> vicks: it gets complicated if you change version numbers to accommodate security issues
[12:26] <kay> yahalom: With what do they access the DVD?
[12:27] <kay> yahalom: And I doubt seriously, any OS could make the CPU fast enough
[12:27] <yahalom> kay: ???
[12:27] <kay> yahalom: A P1 with a DVD drive, I never saw that
[12:27] <yahalom> kay: oh right. ignore me. i;m tired, they dont have one.
[12:27] <kay> yahalom: And last I checked, you needed almost 1 Ghz of CPU clock
[12:28] <yahalom> kay: yeah u're right, its almost 2am here.
[12:28] <kay> go sleep and try that Boten Linux
[12:28] <yahalom> kay: Boten linux. umm.. what about gentoo?
[12:29] <kay> Gentoo will be installed next month
[12:29] <kay> Uhm, maybe the shell :p
[12:29] <thoreauputic> yahalom: how long have you got? Compiling on a P I ? 
[12:29] <kay> I remember my 600 Mhz Celeron with 512MB took 1 week
[12:30] <kay> But then I made it compile KDE... so :p
[12:30] <yahalom> thoreauputic: oh crap. yeah i forgot. it took two hours to install kubuntu.
[12:30] <yahalom> kay: lol
[12:30] <yahalom> thoreauputic: i should charge them by the hour.
[12:30] <thoreauputic> yahalom: :)
[12:31] <yahalom> thoreauputic: call every two weeks to check in.
[12:31] <thoreauputic> yahalom: yeah... "well, the kernel is still compiling - see you next week "
[12:32] <yahalom> thoreauputic: lol
[12:32] <yahalom> thoreauputic: there goes my reputation
[12:32] <kay> Once your reputation is ruined, the fun starts
[12:32] <kay> That's a saying we have here
[12:33] <yahalom> kay: had enough fun ;)
[12:33] <kay> But the point is, people are so used to saying that Microsoft makes bad software, still look at Win98 on these machines
[12:34] <yahalom> kay: hey they dont need internet, all they want is to watch mpegs.
[12:34] <kay> Or Office, still after the many years no better Office
[12:34] <kay> Only for a browser, I will take Konqueror as better now
[12:34] <yahalom> kay: its like a daycare, so when the kids get too loud, they want them to watch cartoons.
[12:34] <kay> And for the desktop on contemporary machines, nothing beats KDE anyway
[12:35] <yahalom> kay: i use konqueror. its really fast.
[12:35] <kay> I like the look of it actually
[12:35] <thoreauputic> yahalom: give them vi , telnet and lynx , and tell the kids to RTFM ;-)
[12:36] <yahalom> thoreauputic: lol
[12:36] <kay> or give the kids the source and make them port Linux to their hardware
[12:36] <kay> :p
[12:36] <thoreauputic> kay: or rewrite everything in Lisp ;-)
[12:36] <yahalom> kay: man that would be freaky
[12:37] <kay> thoreauputic: No, let it be Logo
[12:37] <yahalom> kay: little 3 year old kids developing
[12:37] <kay> yahalom: It would show a lot of trust into them :)
[12:37] <kay> My 1 year old shuffels the mouse already
[12:37] <kay> lol
[12:38] <yahalom> kay: ever have a little kid come and tell u" that is the wrong code ur using man, u have to use blah blah blah, onyl then it will work"
[12:38] <kay> i think of my collegues like that
[12:38] <yahalom> kay: yeah my 3 month old is a system administrator at the university
[12:38] <kay> you see
[12:38] <yahalom> kay: he supports us
[12:39] <yahalom> kay: lol
[12:39] <kay> Everybody can administer a running Unix
[12:39] <yahalom> kay: easy cash 
[12:39] <kay> My 1 year old can already powercycle my desktop
[12:39] <kay> :p
[12:39] <kay> Good enough to keep things running
[12:39] <yahalom> kay: lol
[12:39] <yahalom> kay: well my grandmother play tux 24/7
[12:40] <yahalom> kay: beat that man
[12:40] <yahalom> kay: actually u know old people like linux
[12:40] <kay> it's simple to use when you set it up correctly
[12:40] <kay> My father (65) is still on Windows
[12:41] <kay> But we don't talk much anymore... and he helps himself
[12:41] <yahalom> kay: man not talking to ur father for using windows is shallow
[12:41] <kkathman> My dad is 88 and can find more ways to mess up his email whether linux or windows.. He should be a beta tester
[12:42] <kay> yahalom: It is his decision and I see how it fits him
[12:42] <yahalom> kkathman: suggest it to him. seriously all this beta testers are people who dont mess thigns up
[12:42] <kkathman> yahalom - for some windows is just easier..no hastles..gosh Id be on the phone 3x more with my dad if he was on linux lol :)
[12:42] <kay> Last time my father called me, I could honestly say, no idea, i NEVER used Win XP
[12:42] <kkathman> lol...playing linux system admin is harder that we might expect for the uninitiated :)
[12:43] <kay> So he calls his other son who did :p
[12:43] <kkathman> lol
[12:43] <yahalom> so just talk about the damn weather
[12:43] <kkathman> hehe
[12:43] <yahalom> or something like " i can see ur penguin through my windows" find the common ground
[12:43] <kay> That freedom thing still costs a lot time
[12:44] <kay> But I see how with Ubuntu it is getting easier to get things set up for them
[12:44] <yahalom> no kidding
[12:44] <kay> i don't understand that quote?
[12:44] <yahalom> ubuntu makes linux so easy
[12:44] <kkathman> for someone that wants to get on the net, surf, and do email. Ubuntu w/KDE is a fabulous environment
[12:45] <kay> I like the hotplug stuff
[12:45] <yahalom> kay: i dont either. i get lame at 2am. i'd go to sleep, but need to find a solution for my customer. downloading DSL.
[12:45] <kkathman> but, he couldnt set it up I'd have to do it for him... but he could set up his Win box Im pretty sure
[12:45] <kkathman> he buys a new computer like every 6 months I think
[12:46] <kay> The point where things get hard with Linux is knowledge
[12:46] <yahalom> kkathman: thats often
[12:46] <kay> We early adopters have not yet communicated everything wide enough
[12:46] <kkathman> kay: thats right, for people that are computer savvy, linux should be relatively easy to learn, but for those that that have a phobia, its a nightmare I'd bet :)
[12:46] <yahalom> kay: also with linux u get excited about the stupidest thing.."yay i got 3d graphics working!" "yay i got sound working"
[12:47] <pussfeller> if yer dad was on windows, you would just ssh in and fix in in a jiffy
[12:47] <kay> On linux weekly news they had an article about Ubuntu
[12:47] <kay> recently
[12:47] <kkathman> kay really?
[12:47] <pussfeller> i wish to god my mom was on windows
[12:47] <yahalom> pussfeller: u tried that?
[12:47] <pussfeller> err linux
[12:47] <kay> And there they said that they were astonished to find so much information about how to do things
[12:47] <pussfeller> nm i am making no sense
[12:47] <kay> kkathman: yes, the issue that just got free
[12:47] <kkathman> kewl
[12:48] <yahalom> yeah its amazing how fast people respond on the forums
[12:48] <kay> yahalom: Well... actually, I remember my first PC, I was so disappointed from Linux back then
[12:48] <kkathman> pussfeller:  I think I know what yer saying...but my Dad would probably find a way to hack his own box
[12:48] <kkathman> accidentally :)
[12:48] <kay> yahalom: It had been the reason to buy a PC and Win95 ran so damn much better.... think of 640x480 in 16 colors
[12:48] <pussfeller> i admit that lately, Im getting tired of messing with things
[12:49] <kay> yahalom: for the linux, for a state of the art graphics card, and so on
[12:49] <pussfeller> im tired to things like printing or sound being issues
[12:49] <kkathman> we many times take for granted how much knowledge of just general computer concepts we all possess that the world in general doesnt
[12:49] <yahalom> kay: so linux used to be crap
[12:49] <kay> pussfeller: It becomes boring, doesn't it?
[12:49] <kay> yahalom: It didn't really change yet, it is about to change though
[12:50] <kkathman> yahalom I tried SuSE in 1997 and it was near impossible to get it to recognize ANY hardware
[12:50] <yahalom> kay:  i lived on this damn small island when win95 came out, so i was one of the first to have it. it was the hottest thing in town. it actually worked fine, except i'm still scarred by all the illegeal operations i committed.
[12:50] <kay> I switched to KDE in 2000, even though I had bought W2k then
[12:50] <kay> I just liked the idea of something that evolves as quick as linux does
[12:50] <pussfeller> simple basic things
[12:50] <pussfeller> having a gazillion competing sound systems is so annoying
[12:50] <yahalom> so linux has only become "wow" in the past couple years?
[12:51] <pussfeller> linux has only become desktop useable recently
[12:51] <kay> in 2000, you didn't have aliased fonts
[12:51] <yahalom> i dont like artsd. 
[12:51] <yahalom> it interferes with everything
[12:51] <pussfeller> it was useable... but super ugly 
[12:51] <kkathman> yahalom:  its getting much better to install and to recognize more hardware, but still has a long way to to make things easier on the typical user I think
[12:51] <kay> i only use artsd and then it's ok
[12:52] <pussfeller> but if you play a game, artsd will hog the card
[12:52] <kay> in 2000, you would start a KDE program and wait forever
[12:52] <yahalom> kay: so  maybe its me. it interferes with my movies and mp3s
[12:52] <kkathman> pussfeller:  thats true
[12:52] <yahalom> pussfeller: that too
[12:52] <pussfeller> on the other hand, arts, it handles software mixing
[12:52] <kay> amarok does mp3s fine
[12:52] <kay> and kaffeine does moves
[12:52] <kay> Both with artsd, not?
[12:52] <yahalom> kay: amarok is a cpu hogger
[12:53] <kkathman> kaffeine starts and never stops :)
[12:53] <yahalom> kay: even though i like it
[12:53] <KaiL> yahalom: install akode-mpeg
[12:53] <pussfeller> alsa supposedly handles software mixing, but its a pain and i don;t think all apps work with it
[12:53] <yahalom> i prefer kplayer tough
[12:53] <yahalom> anybody use it?
[12:53] <kkathman> yah I dont understand why music players in linux hog the cpu?
[12:53] <KaiL> makes amarok much better, esp. with onboard audio
[12:53] <yahalom> KaiL: whats that?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> yahalom: hmm - amarok uses more cpu than say xmms, but then it does so much more
[12:53] <KaiL> yahalom: a lib to need less CPU
[12:53] <pussfeller> kkathman, use mpd, its the lightest music player around
[12:54] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I think amarok is an excellent app
[12:54] <kay> i don't care really, my cpu is waiting for me anyway
[12:54] <pussfeller> amarok is getting alot better but it still unstable
[12:54] <kkathman> pussfeller: all my music is on my winbox and thats where my audigy is so I go soundless on my LInux box
[12:54] <kkathman> er boxes :)
[12:54] <kay> pussfeller: The one in Breezy now didn't crash for weeks
[12:54] <yahalom> thoreauputic: i like amarok, i just felt it slowed things down
[12:55] <pussfeller> for gui clients i like juk
[12:55] <pussfeller> now that it plays everything
[12:55] <kay> Juk was nice too
[12:55] <yahalom> kay:  how do i get breezy stuff?
[12:55] <kay> And even pretty
[12:55] <pussfeller> i think the dude finally proke down and made a plugin system or something
[12:56] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I like to play a directory of oggs with ogg123 *  ;-) Call me Old School !
[12:56] <kay> Well, replace hoary with breezy in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:56] <kay> then apt-get update
[12:56] <kay> and apt-get upgrade
[12:56] <kay> pussfeller: Juk?
[12:56] <kay> Yeah yeah, evil mp3
[12:57] <kay> thoreauputic: Have you ripped them anew or converted to ogg
[12:57] <yahalom> thoreauputic: ogg is cool
[12:57] <pussfeller> amarok is getting better then thats good
[12:57] <pussfeller> we have gnome beat on music players and cd burning
[12:57] <pussfeller> rythmbox... that thing is like the main gnome app, all this concentration... and its plain and yucky
[12:57] <yahalom> kay: will it kill my ubuntu?
[12:57] <thoreauputic> kay: they are just ripped from CDs
[12:57] <kay> yahalom: It is unstable and look at topic
[12:57] <KaiL> yahalom: yes
[12:58] <pussfeller> juk is a music player
[12:58] <kay> KaiL: It didn't kill my machines yet
[12:58] <KaiL> if it didn't already kill, it WILL next week for shure
[12:58] <kay> I hope so
[12:58] <yahalom> cant afford that. need a working os.
[12:58] <KaiL> kay: with the gcc4 transition everything which has to do with C++ _WILL_ break
[12:58] <Tm_T> hmm, time to sleep ->
[12:58] <thoreauputic> kay: I also have played with ffmpeg2theora to see what theora vids look like: quite impressive I think (Theora)
[12:59] <kay> KaiL: I still don't know, did the C++ ABI change again?
[12:59] <pussfeller> totem, now i like that for flicks
[12:59] <KaiL> it changed from gcc3.3 to 3.4
[12:59] <kay> thoreauputic: I am making my own videos and looked at that
[12:59] <kay> thoreauputic: But so far, I am stuck with bad software to cut
[12:59] <KaiL> that's why hoary uses 3.3.
[12:59] <KaiL> breezy will switch to 4.0 soon
[12:59] <kay> KaiL: Oh, hoary was not on 3.4
[12:59] <kay> ?!
[01:00] <KaiL> no
[01:00] <pussfeller> kde's star has kinda risen lately
[01:00] <kay> But Breezy switched C programs to 4.0 already, not?
[01:00] <KaiL> no idea about C
[01:00] <KaiL> afaik there's no problem (except gcc bugs)
[01:00] <kay> I saw many FTBFS fixes for gcc4
[01:01] <kkathman> Hmm Now I have two Firefoxes darn it
[01:01] <KaiL> "FTBFS"?
[01:01] <kay> My own kernel didn't compile with gcc4
[01:01] <kay> Fails to build from source
[01:01] <kay> Debian slang
[01:01] <KaiL> ah
[01:02] <yahalom> why does konqueror crash so much?
[01:02] <kay> I was hoping it won't be so bad
[01:02] <kay> yahalom: does it?
[01:02] <KaiL> yahalom: good question. next question.
[01:02] <pussfeller> yahalom, i think this version of kde is buggy
[01:02] <KaiL> problem: it doesn't for me :)
[01:02] <kay> KaiL: Any hope, a working set of qt,kdelibs and kdebase will enter breezy at once?
[01:03] <yahalom> lol
[01:03] <pussfeller> i got alot more crashes than i did with gentoo and the last version
[01:03] <KaiL> kay: depends on how you define "working" :)
[01:03] <kay> KaiL: Well, like allows me to log in
[01:03] <yahalom> mine crashed every once in a while
[01:03] <KaiL> "something which came though the compiler"? maybe :)
[01:03] <yahalom> but i havent seen it work better than on ubuntu
[01:04] <KaiL> we'll all see
[01:04] <kay> Report bugs, yahalom 
[01:04] <KaiL> maybe it's get much better or maybe much worse
[01:04] <yahalom> kay: good point, havent been doing that.
[01:04] <kay> Well, let me say that, getting your dad on Linux, doesn't help Linux
[01:05] <kay> But reporting bugs in the way they tell you, helps a lot
[01:06] <yahalom> kay: where can u acquire win98 nowadays?
[01:06] <transgress> ebay
[01:06] <sixth_> hey guys...quick q....anyone kno how i can print to a windows based shared printer on my netowkr? possible or not?
[01:06] <yahalom> lol...yeah the holy ebay, what dont they have
[01:06] <yahalom> ?
[01:07] <yahalom> i even saw a signed pic of jesus
[01:07] <kay> a linux that runs well on these machines :p
[01:07] <aprill2k> anyone else have problems with skippy DVD playback?
[01:07] <transgress> aprill2k: no?
[01:07] <thoreauputic> sixth_: yes it's possible
[01:07] <transgress> aprill2k: hdparm
[01:07] <KaiL> hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[01:08] <aprill2k> transgress, i think dma is already enabled
[01:08] <transgress> aprill2k: what player are you using?
[01:08] <sixth_> thoreauputic, thanks for the response...wat do u recommend to use? samba?
[01:08] <KaiL> btw, does anybody know, why dma is not automatically enabled?
[01:08] <thoreauputic> sixth_: I was just looking for a URL - there's stuff about it on the ubuntu site
[01:09] <transgress> aprill2k: i've used vlc for a while and it tends to not skip when other players do... i'd pull that in if i were you... that's just my suggestion... although it has problems with dvd menus
[01:09] <thoreauputic> KaiL: because it can break things
[01:09] <sixth_> ahhh ok...i will try a search out
[01:09] <kay> KaiL: Some hardware is blacklisted
[01:09] <aprill2k> transgress, it happens in Kaffeine and Xine
[01:09] <KaiL> thoreauputic: is there still that much broken hardware around?
[01:09] <transgress> aprill2k: try vlc.... see if it does alright
[01:10] <thoreauputic> KaiL: probably not :)
[01:10] <kay> KaiL: There barely is correct hardware :p
[01:10] <KaiL> kay: I know, but afaik all dvd/cd drives are blacklisted...
[01:10] <KaiL> kay: but not totally broken
[01:10] <kay> On my desktop, the DVD drive killed a disk of mine
[01:10] <kay> Kill in the sense of corrupted data transfer
[01:11] <closure> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/15/2036234&from=rss
[01:11] <kay> And that was on brandnew hardware
[01:11] <aprill2k> transgress, how do i keep DMA on all the time from now on?
[01:11] <aprill2k> transgress, i think it may be off -but how do i check?
[01:11] <KaiL> as long as the people buy such power supplies, I don't wonder about anything... http://www2.alternate.de/html/shop/productDetails.html?showTechData=true&artno=TN3V02&#tecData
[01:11] <thoreauputic> sixth_: maybe here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkPrintingFromWin2000
[01:11] <KaiL> (if somebody wants, I can give you worse ones ;)
[01:11] <transgress> aprill2k: vi /etc/hdparm.conf
[01:12] <sixth_> thoreauputic, thanks alot i'll see wat i can do
[01:12] <aprill2k> transgress, everything is commented out in there
[01:12] <transgress> well uncomment the correct device
[01:12] <aprill2k> transgress, i mean how can i see what is currently enabled?
[01:12] <transgress> it locks up my dvd player when i try to turn hdparm on for my dvd player... still haven't figured that one out...
[01:12] <kay> KaiL: What's wrong with it?
[01:12] <thoreauputic> aprill2k: sudo hdparm -d /dev/hdX where X depends on which device your CD is
[01:13] <thoreauputic> aprill2k: that will tell you if DMA is on
[01:13] <transgress> aprill2k: well i was telling you the permanent thing... you could try running the hdparm command and it should tell you if it is already enabled
[01:13] <KaiL> kay: passive PFC
[01:13] <yahalom> DSL is a live cd right?
[01:13] <thoreauputic> yahalom: right
[01:13] <aprill2k> thoreauputic, wow it was off!  why is it not on by default?
[01:13] <yahalom> thoreauputic: so ADSL wont work right?
[01:14] <yahalom> thoreauputic: will i have sound issues?
[01:14] <KaiL> and for that prize you should expect neigher a comtrolled fan nor stable voltages
[01:14] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I don't know - don't see why not
[01:14] <kay> KaiL: perfluorocarbon ?
[01:15] <KaiL> power factor control
[01:15] <yahalom> thoreauputic: what is the dsl chan?
[01:15] <thoreauputic> aprill2k: sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdX to turn it on, edit /etc/hdparm.conf to have it on boot up
[01:15] <KaiL> in short: you need ~15% more energy
[01:15] <thoreauputic> yahalom: probably #damnsmalllinux
[01:15] <thoreauputic> yahalom: try it
[01:15] <yahalom> thoreauputic: yeah that it
[01:16] <kay> KaiL: ouch
[01:16] <aprill2k> thoreauputic, why is DMA not set automatically by Hoary?
[01:16] <transgress> anyone have a clue why enabling DMA would lock up my dvd player?
[01:16] <thoreauputic> aprill2k: I'm not a developer, so i don't know: I think because hdparm can break things
[01:17] <KaiL> kay: not to mention the condensators may not be build for a long life and as I said very unstable voltages
[01:17] <kay> like i said, it can cause corrupted disk access
[01:17] <KaiL> if you PC is unstable, the power supply is always a good place to start bug-hunting
[01:17] <kay> when you use DMA without the correct cabling e.g.
[01:17] <thoreauputic> aprill2k: why the install doesn't detect which drives support DMA is something I can't answer
[01:18] <kay> KaiL: hm.... actually I am using a DVB card now and thought i have such problems
[01:18] <aprill2k> kay, but DMA is necessary for watching DVDs
[01:18] <KaiL> kay: some noname power supply?
[01:19] <kay> I have to admit, that I never burned to DVD what I found on torrents 
[01:19] <kay> KaiL: Came with the machine... 
[01:19] <KaiL> ..so yes ;)
[01:19] <aprill2k> kay, no i mean WATCHING a REAL GENUINE encrypted DVD from the store or Netflix!!
[01:19] <kay> KaiL: I have a 50 hz signal on my image.... 
[01:19] <KaiL> ugh
[01:20] <KaiL> DVB-S or -T?
[01:20] <kay> KaiL: But now... strange as it is, it was on Windows and Linux both.... 
[01:20] <kay> KaiL: DVB-S and then i removed all from the machine
[01:20] <KaiL> as it's on both, you can be quite shure, it's a hardware problem
[01:20] <aprill2k> is it fair to say that there is a high correleation between users of Linux and software piracy?
[01:20] <kay> KaiL: And switched PCI slot... and stuff... but now it's no longer on Windows
[01:20] <thoreauputic> aprill2k: hahah
[01:21] <kay> KaiL: But still on Linux
[01:21] <KaiL> aprill2k: yes: Linux users normally have 100% legal software
[01:21] <thoreauputic> aprill2k: what planet are you from?
[01:21] <kay> lol
[01:21] <aprill2k> KaiL, but before they switched were they pirating software regularly?
[01:21] <thoreauputic> aprill2k: FFS - why?
[01:21] <KaiL> aprill2k: who was NOT?
[01:22] <kay> I was buying everything
[01:22] <KaiL> afaik on no windows system on earth everything is legal
[01:22] <kay> Software
[01:22] <KaiL> kay: good joke ;)
[01:22] <kay> KaiL: Actually on mine it is
[01:22] <kay> You see, I make a living from software.
[01:22] <kay> So, well, it's obvious for me to pay for  that
[01:23] <KaiL> and? I even know professional coders, who have not even a windows licence
[01:23] <kay> But for music, e.g. once Napster was there, I just felt no obligation to pay those who forced me to get used to the music :p
[01:23] <kay> KaiL: Well, i am more into ethics than others I guess...
[01:24] <KaiL> if people copy some software, they can't get the legal way or just use it on more than one system: ok for me
[01:24] <KaiL> if they go around and tell everybody how lame it is to pay for software: NOT ok for me
[01:25] <aprill2k> but, if you steal music of software it is not PHYSICALLY stonel
[01:25] <kay> KaiL: I agree with that
[01:25] <KaiL> aprill2k: there are also some differences between music and software for me
[01:25] <aprill2k> there is an infinite resource of mp3/warez, so the limit goes to zero in terms of cost
[01:27] <KaiL> with software you ALWAYS do a damage to somebody:
[01:27] <aprill2k> i disagree entirely
[01:27] <aprill2k> microsoft likes piracy :-)  this much can be proved easily...
[01:27] <KaiL> eigher to the vendor of the software you use, but *could* pay or to the vendor of the alternative you *could* pay
[01:28] <KaiL> so if you have 0 money and use a copied windows instead of kubuntu, this is bad for kubuntu.
[01:28] <aprill2k> a certian constrained amount of piracy is good for business
[01:28] <KaiL> doesn't matter for MS, because they had no chance to get money in both situations
[01:28] <aprill2k> KaiL, it does matter
[01:29] <aprill2k> microsoft gains from you using a pirated copy of windows, because you did not use linux -- and you keep the market of closed source products going
[01:29] <KaiL> aprill2k: in that point, where it's negative for kubuntu (and this being negative for one is automatically positive for MS)#
[01:29] <aprill2k> plus, MS products report information back to their serveres which they sell to other comapnies, so they win again
[01:30] <aprill2k> kail, so software piracy is actually a good thing in constrained amounts
[01:30] <aprill2k> :-)
[01:30] <KaiL> aprill2k: no
[01:31] <aprill2k> is everyone didnt pay == no good, but most people paying and some pirating to reduce threat of upheavel == good
[01:31] <KaiL> again: if you copy something, you can NOT pay for (because you have no money), it's NEGATIVE for every alternative, you *could* pay for
[01:31] <KaiL> and this being negatige for the alternative is normally automatically positive for the first
[01:33] <KaiL> indeed
[01:33] <KaiL> oh, somebody here having a ATI Radeon 9200 or something around that?
[01:33] <kkathman> aprill2k: do you really think that Gates worries much about Linux?
[01:33] <aprill2k> KaiL, so you have never pirated a move, mp3, software app?
[01:34] <aprill2k> kkathman, i think that they see a problem rising, so yes
[01:34] <kkathman> nah
[01:34] <kkathman> not even a little
[01:34] <KaiL> aprill2k: for software I do not any more and all my computers are free of pirated software
[01:34] <kkathman> he's much more worried about Google
[01:34] <kkathman> not Linux
[01:34] <aprill2k> kkathman, why did Bill Gates just fly down to Brazil to convince tthe country not to move to Linux if he didnt care ;-)
[01:34] <thoreauputic> aprill2k: how is software piracy (which is exclusively a windows and mac issue) relevant to a Linux IRC channel discussion?
[01:34] <aprill2k> he offered them Winodws for nothgin, and they rejected his offer
[01:34] <kkathman> with less than 1% of the total OS installs Linux, I think he's aware, but not really worrying alot
[01:35] <KaiL> thoreauputic: it isn't exclusively win+mac
[01:35] <kkathman> however, media presence is everything :)
[01:35] <KaiL> kkathman: on servers linux is much more relevant
[01:35] <kkathman> secretly, hes scared of Google
[01:35] <kkathman> well not so secretly really :)
[01:36] <aprill2k> thoreauputic, piracy is not limited to Windows
[01:36] <kkathman> and he's probably much more worried that his market share of IE dropped below 90%
[01:36] <thoreauputic> KaiL: OK I guess you could pirate Crossover Office or somehting - point granted
[01:36] <KaiL> I'm quite shure, there are MS people in #ubuntu and #debian and maybe some other chats like this
[01:36] <KaiL> thoreauputic: or some times ago the Loki Games
[01:36] <aprill2k> thoreauputic, vmware runs on Linux, and many people that use Linux seem to pirate the Linux version -- so it is an interestingquestion to ask
[01:36] <kkathman> hehe KaiL  :)
[01:37] <KaiL> aprill2k: you can't pirate Linux :)
[01:37] <KaiL> except Suse, but nobody want to use that for a longer time *g*
[01:37] <aprill2k> aprill2k, is copying the SuSE professional retail DVDs piracy?
[01:38] <KaiL> as there's some software which is not allowed to be copied on the DVD, yes
[01:38] <aprill2k> i think i have made my point...it seems that Linux desktop users are technically profiecient - and this leads them to easily pirate Linux software applications like vmware and cxoffice
[01:38] <KaiL> aprill2k: but most of them don't care
[01:39] <kkathman> shoot pirating is way too easy for almost anyone they need to know only one web site :)
[01:39] <aprill2k> KaiL, you previously stated that "you can't pirate Linux" -- would you like to retarct this statement ;)
[01:39] <KaiL> aprill2k: read the next line, starting with "except"
[01:40] <aprill2k> i see it, but i dont want to get into it further
[01:40] <aprill2k> just wanted to make a point
[01:40] <thoreauputic> aprill2k: you can't pirate GNU/Linux - you could pirate certain proprietary programs that run on it
[01:41] <thoreauputic> aprill2k: but it really isn't an issue in general
[01:59] <Morandir> Anyone know how to deal with some RAID issues please pm me and I can get back to you later.
[02:32] <kkathman> man I'd like to know why my system beeps at me everyonce in a while for seemingly no reason
[02:34] <ChinaCatJones> it seems like the kubuntu channel is as thin as the kubuntu forums
[02:35] <kkathman> ah but the quality is here :)
[02:35] <kkathman> hehe
[02:36] <kkathman> or we'd like to think so
[02:36] <ChinaCatJones> for sure
[02:36] <ChinaCatJones> anyone have any ideas on getting mplayer installed?
[02:36] <ChinaCatJones> I've tried the guide and the forums for a couple of days with no joy
[02:37] <kkathman> what have you done so far?
[02:37] <ChinaCatJones> i have tried getting it through apt-get and synaptic
[02:37] <kkathman> and what seems to be the problem
[02:38] <kkathman> personally I use totem with the w32codecs
[02:38] <ChinaCatJones> I also tried the the guides way of the hoary switch with apt-get
[02:38] <ChinaCatJones> it keeps chocking on a libc6 dependency
[02:38] <kkathman> which mplayer did you get...the mplayer-586?
[02:39] <ChinaCatJones> i haven't gotten any
[02:39] <kkathman> ohh
[02:39] <ChinaCatJones> i have tried for both the 386 and 586 flavors
[02:39] <kkathman> well, you need to apt-get the lib6 dependency
[02:39] <ChinaCatJones> i really need 686 but that depends on 586
[02:40] <kkathman> well the 686 is transitional
[02:40] <kkathman> so get the 586
[02:40] <kkathman> can you show me the error msg you get when you try to sudo apt-get mplayer-586
[02:40] <kkathman> oops
[02:40] <kkathman> apt-get install mplayer-586 sorry
[02:41] <ChinaCatJones> Reading package lists... Done
[02:41] <ChinaCatJones> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:41] <ChinaCatJones> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[02:42] <ChinaCatJones> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[02:42] <ChinaCatJones> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[02:42] <ChinaCatJones> or been moved out of Incoming.
[02:42] <ChinaCatJones> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[02:42] <ChinaCatJones> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[02:42] <ChinaCatJones> that package should be filed.
[02:42] <ChinaCatJones> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[02:42] <ChinaCatJones> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:42] <ChinaCatJones>   mplayer-586: Depends: libavcodeccvs (>= 2:20050417-0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[02:42] <ChinaCatJones>                Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[02:42] <ChinaCatJones>                Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[02:42] <ChinaCatJones>                Depends: libpostproc0 (>= 2:20050417-0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[02:42] <ChinaCatJones>                Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[02:42] <ChinaCatJones>                Depends: libxvidcore4 (>= 1:1.0.0-0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[02:42] <ChinaCatJones>                Depends: xmms (>= 1.2.10+cvs20050209) but 1.2.10-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[02:42] <ChinaCatJones> E: Broken packages
[02:43] <kkathman> ahh ok
[02:44] <kkathman> you just need to probably get the libc6
[02:44] <kkathman> but maybe that codec pkg too
[02:44] <kkathman> just go through each one and do an apt-get install on them
[02:44] <kkathman> you can search for the pkgs using apt-cache search <string>
[02:44] <kkathman> such as:   apt-cache search libc6
[02:45] <kkathman> that will give you a list and usually you can tell which one you need
[02:45] <kkathman> bbiab - dinner time :)
[02:57] <Octane> does nayone know whats causing this problem -- fresh new install -- http://pastebin.ca/11821
[03:21] <LukeM> good luck octane, it looks like some files are missing
[03:22] <LukeM> did you install from apt-get?
[03:22] <Octane> ya i know i even did install unbuntu-desktop
[03:22] <closure> Octane, i can't start kde from a command line either
[03:22] <wisu> Hi, need to to auth system to ldap
[03:22] <LukeM> i have started kde just with startx before
[03:22] <closure> but it doesn't say all that shit
[03:22] <wisu> apt-get libpam-ldap returns no package...
[03:22] <LukeM> make sure you have kde-core installed
[03:22] <closure> how did you install octane
[03:23] <Octane> cd, that i think may have been corrupt
[03:23] <LukeM> what are you logged in under now?
[03:23] <Octane> as myself
[03:23] <Octane> hmm
[03:23] <Octane> i didnt have kde-core
[03:24] <LukeM> I mean are you in a debian based linux?
[03:24] <Octane> yes
[03:24] <LukeM> kde-core is a package you can install with apt-get from i think the universe repositories
[03:25] <Octane> ya i just did
[03:25] <Octane> idont get why it wasnt part of kubuntu-desktop
[03:26] <closure> Octane, it is
[03:26] <Octane> kde-core iddnt do it
[03:26] <LukeM> if that doesn't work you might need kdebase... (there is kdebase, kdebase-bin, kdebase-data)
[03:26] <closure> octane
[03:27] <Octane> yes sir
[03:27] <closure> try apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[03:27] <closure> and then reinstall it
[03:27] <LukeM> i have no real idea to be honest, i have just been able to install kde minimally on my laptop so I am taking stabs in the dark
[03:30] <Morandir> okay...
[03:31] <Morandir> im having raid troubles...
[03:31] <Morandir> setup /boot as non raid on 1st drive
[03:31] <Morandir> created RAID available partitions on both disks
[03:31] <Morandir> used raid admin software to setup raids
[03:31] <Morandir> didnt work got /boot and / to work (create/mount)
[03:31] <Morandir> installed kubuntu -- no /home or swap (not created or mounted!)
[03:31] <Morandir> partitioned everything evenly, but there is no /home or swap
[03:32] <Morandir> but if I manually create and mount (or swapon) they work
[03:32] <Morandir> but they are never recognized on startup
[03:32] <Morandir> any help?
[03:43] <Morandir> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31383 <---- my problem is similar to this
[03:46] <sirukin> http://www.butternutsquash.net/assets/pages/bns-comic18.html
[03:46] <Morandir> ...
[04:05] <Morandir> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=136548#post136548 <--- and like this
[04:06] <Liz4rd> BLAH
[04:06] <Liz4rd> man pie yesterdya was good
[04:12] <Liz4rd> OMG THAT FAG JUST CAME IN HERE
[04:12] <Liz4rd> :P
[04:12] <Liz4rd> j/f trany
[04:12] <Liz4rd> :D
[04:14] <incubii> howdy
[04:15] <Liz4rd> hey
[04:22] <incubii> has kubuntu breezy made the switch to GCC 4.0 yet ?
[04:33] <Diablo-D3> dont think it has yet
[04:33] <Diablo-D3> well
[04:33] <Diablo-D3> incubii: its already using gcc4 for C
[04:38] <aprill2k> dma is casuing bad things to happen
[04:45] <shiv> Np sound yet ;(
[04:45] <shiv> what does this mean
[04:45] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$ lsof /dev/dsp
[04:45] <shiv> lsof: status error on /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[05:05] <Liz4rd> hey sirukin
[05:06] <sirukin> hey Liz4rd 
[05:06] <Liz4rd> whast new
[05:08] <sirukin> nm
[05:08] <Liz4rd> cool, what are you up to?
[05:09] <Liz4rd> i'm sure not just staring at your screen :P
[05:09] <Tezkah> screen is a great program
[05:09] <Liz4rd> :P
[05:09] <sirukin> heh
[05:10] <_shiv> NO control center after reboot
[05:10] <_shiv> plz help
[05:10] <Liz4rd> this channel has been dead all fing day
[05:10] <_shiv> where is it?
[05:10] <Liz4rd> _shiv: kcontrol & in a term
[05:10] <Tezkah> I have to relearn screen
[05:10] <Tezkah> I looooove screen
[05:10] <Liz4rd> wtf is screen?
[05:11] <_shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$ kcontrol
[05:11] <_shiv> bash: kcontrol: command not found
[05:11] <_shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$
[05:11] <_shiv> :(
[05:11] <Liz4rd> wtf
[05:11] <Tezkah> Liz4rd: console program that allows you to have multiple virtual terminals inside of one
[05:11] <Liz4rd> cool
[05:11] <Tezkah> "ctrl+a n" switches to the next one
[05:11] <Tezkah> its very handy
[05:11] <Liz4rd> is it its own term?
[05:13] <Liz4rd> YAY! for midnight commander
[05:13] <Tezkah> Liz4rd: it just runs in a terminal
[05:13] <Liz4rd> oh, alright cool
[05:13] <Tezkah> so you can use it in gnome-terminal, konsole, everything
[05:13] <Tezkah> just type "screen" from the terminal, I'd suggest learning how to use it first though
[05:13] <Liz4rd> sweet
[05:13] <Tezkah> man screen
[05:14] <Tezkah> what
[05:14] <Tezkah> get out
[05:14] <Tezkah> hahaha
[05:14] <Liz4rd> OMG I HAVE SCREEN
[05:14] <Tezkah> just kidding, slackware is a good distro
[05:14] <Liz4rd> i love it and aparently screen is installec
[05:14] <Liz4rd> installed
[05:15] <Tezkah> yeah, I'd use slackware, but I just love apt so much
[05:15] <Liz4rd> theres liek 2 slackware versions of apt
[05:15] <Tezkah> but yeah, you have to install them first ;_
[05:15] <Liz4rd> theres swaret and slap-get or something
[05:15] <Tezkah> ;)
[05:15] <Tezkah> swaret is supposedly bad
[05:15] <Tezkah> I just remember that
[05:15] <Liz4rd> i'm using it :(
[05:15] <Tezkah> from my days of slackware
[05:15] <Liz4rd> but i hate it
[05:16] <Liz4rd> just like 2 min ago i had a problem with it not upgrading
[05:16] <Liz4rd> but its way easy to intall programs
[05:16] <Liz4rd> well slackpacks
[05:16] <Liz4rd> just installpkg filename.tgz in a term
[05:16] <Liz4rd> and bam
[05:16] <Tezkah> yeah, I just never read the documentation properly
[05:16] <Liz4rd> as root of course
[05:16] <Liz4rd> :P i think i'm the only linux n00b that reads documentation
[05:17] <Tezkah> see, I first heard about Linux
[05:17] <Tezkah> tried to install Red Hat with no experience
[05:17] <Tezkah> failed hardcore
[05:17] <Tezkah> read some books, learned the command line
[05:18] <Tezkah> now I'm fairly confident
[05:18] <Liz4rd> thats exactly how i was
[05:18] <Liz4rd> :)
[05:18] <Liz4rd> sept knoppix was my first REAL distro :P
[05:18] <Tezkah> heh
[05:18] <Liz4rd> that i acully found out to use
[05:18] <Tezkah> I got debian installed on my parents desktop
[05:18] <Tezkah> I was quite pleased with myself
[05:18] <Liz4rd> i got suse installed on my parents 
[05:18] <Liz4rd> :P
[05:18] <Tezkah> but then I tried installing it on this laptop
[05:18] <Tezkah> failed with powernowd and wifi
[05:18] <Tezkah> ubuntu I got it to work though
[05:19] <Tezkah> I'm using my wifi right now
[05:19] <Liz4rd> kubuntu is in the mail, i want to use gentoo bad but i think i need more experiance first
[05:19] <Liz4rd> well when ever transgress thinks i'm ready :)
[05:19] <transgress> ha
[05:19] <Liz4rd> ;)
[05:20] <Tezkah> kubuntu is in the mail!?
[05:20] <transgress> in comparing kubuntu and gentoo... i didn't see enough of a speed increase... the main reason i love gentoo is upgrading it easily
[05:20] <Tezkah> more like ubuntu ;)
[05:20] <transgress> yeah i'm mailing him the cd's
[05:20] <Tezkah> oh
[05:20] <Tezkah> well I'm getting the free ubuntu CDs
[05:20] <Liz4rd> yes i'm exited 
[05:20] <Liz4rd> lol those stupid ubuntu cds havnt come to me yet
[05:21] <transgress> takes like 4 weeks doesn't it?
[05:21] <Liz4rd> something like that
[05:21] <Tezkah> bittorrent ~ few hours
[05:21] <Liz4rd> :P
[05:21] <Liz4rd> slackware hate my burner
[05:21] <Liz4rd> or i think its just permision issues with cdtools
[05:21] <Liz4rd> or somethign
[05:22] <Liz4rd> 16 gigs and counting for todays bittorrent uploads
[05:24] <Tezkah> I thought I was using 8 of the 9 gigs I set aside for kubuntu
[05:24] <Tezkah> I'm only using 2.7, yay
[05:24] <Liz4rd> :) i think i'm using somethign like 53 percent of my space 
[05:25] <Liz4rd> 15 gigs i set for slackware
[05:30] <Tezkah> yeah, well, I just mount my ntfs drive with my music on there
[05:30] <Tezkah> my laptop is having some troubles
[05:30] <Tezkah> it heats up pretty bad
[05:31] <Liz4rd> eh?
[05:31] <Liz4rd> thats wierd
[05:31] <Tezkah> hmm
[05:31] <Liz4rd> hows your cooling situation
[05:31] <Tezkah> yeah, in Windows, I don't feel the harddrive heat up so much
[05:31] <Liz4rd> thats messed up
[05:31] <Liz4rd> is it an old drive?
[05:32] <Tezkah> nah, 4200 laptop drive
[05:32] <Liz4rd> thats wierd
[05:32] <Tezkah> yeah, it is
[05:51] <kakalto> what is kde's default scan program?
[05:53] <Liz4rd> liek for scanners?
[05:54] <kakalto> yeah
[05:54] <Liz4rd> kscan? 
[05:54] <astro76> kooka
[05:54] <kakalto> thanks
[05:54] <Liz4rd> i dont think theres a "default"
[05:54] <Liz4rd> is there?
[05:54] <astro76> not really
[05:56] <kakalto> kooka doesn't seem to run...
[05:56] <kakalto> and kscan doesn't seem to exist..
[05:56] <Liz4rd> lol
[05:56] <Liz4rd> dam i tryed
[05:56] <kakalto> but kooka worked earlier
[05:56] <Liz4rd> killall kooka (as root) and open agian?
[05:57] <kakalto> will do
[05:58] <kakalto> noep
[05:58] <kakalto> I'll be back
[06:03] <kakalto> :(
[06:04] <Liz4rd> no luck?
[06:07] <kakalto> nope
[06:07] <Liz4rd> that sucks
[06:07] <kakalto> yup
[06:07] <Liz4rd> sorry i'm on slackware if its kubuntu related
[06:07] <Liz4rd> people are cooler in here :D
[06:07] <kakalto> :)
[06:07] <Liz4rd> one time i got kicked for saying swaret in ##slackware
[06:07] <kakalto> both xsane and kooka worked a few weeks ago...
[06:08] <Liz4rd> OMG NO HE DIDNT JUST SAY THAT FRANK....yes...yes he did bill OMG KICK
[06:08] <kakalto> right...
[06:08] <Diablo-D3> stfu Liz4rd 
[06:08] <Liz4rd> :O whoa
[06:08] <Diablo-D3> if you dont want to be kicked from here, don't yell
[06:08] <Liz4rd> sorry
[06:08] <kakalto> lol
[06:09] <Liz4rd> *bows* i'm not worthy almighty inforcer
[06:09] <Liz4rd> what if i underlined everyhting instead of caps :D
[06:10] <Diablo-D3> I wouldnt see it
[06:11] <kakalto> you have _color_ codes off.
[06:11] <kakalto> mirc?
[06:12] <Diablo-D3> kakalto: they're officially called mirc color codes
[06:12] <Liz4rd> i'm on irssi i wouldnt see it ether
[06:12] <Diablo-D3> since mirc invented them
[06:12] <Liz4rd> i dont think so
[06:12] <Liz4rd> would i ?
[06:12] <kakalto> righto
[06:12] <Diablo-D3> most clients do interpet them, but mirc had them first
[06:12] <Diablo-D3> can you see this Liz4rd?
[06:12] <Liz4rd> nah i think xchat did
[06:13] <Diablo-D3> it should be bold
[06:13] <Liz4rd> yes its bold
[06:13] <Diablo-D3> then you can see them
[06:13] <Liz4rd> cool
[06:13] <kakalto> yeah irssi is great
[06:14] <Diablo-D3> and xchat obviously can see them
[06:14] <kakalto> yup
[06:14] <Diablo-D3> bitchx/epic4 can see them
[06:14] <kakalto> virc
[06:14] <Diablo-D3> I said major.
[06:14] <kakalto> that's .... relatively.... minor... :(
[06:15] <Diablo-D3> anyone here know german?
[06:15] <Liz4rd> BitchX
[06:15] <Diablo-D3> Liz4rd: I said bitchx
[06:15] <kakalto> I don't like bitchx
[06:15] <Liz4rd> oh oops
[06:15] <Liz4rd> me nether
[06:15] <Liz4rd> i liked it for like 2 days
[06:15] <Diablo-D3> ircii is included in that bitchx/epic4 group too
[06:15] <Liz4rd> irssi is my most used
[06:15] <Tezkah> irssi for lyfe
[06:16] <Liz4rd> :P
[06:16] <Diablo-D3> oh, and konversation can do color codes
[06:16] <Liz4rd> KSirc
[06:16] <Liz4rd> aswell
[06:21] <closure> it's super
[06:21] <closure> super fabulous that is
[06:22] <Choubaka> I stopped using x-chat recently. :) 
[06:22] <Choubaka> I learned to use recode on irssi.
[06:24] <Liz4rd> yay Choubaka
[06:54] <closure> what is the wget command to save everything from a site
[06:55] <sirukin> wget -r
[06:56] <closure> oh yeah
[06:56] <Liz4rd> the whole site or just the folder your in?
[06:56] <closure> the folder
[06:56] <Liz4rd> ok
[07:37] <transgress> i need to start smoking again...
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> anyone from india here ?
[09:42] <harsha> yeah
[09:42] <harsha> da_bon_bon : i am from india
[09:52] <_luke> hey, anyone know of any good file indexers?
[09:55] <_luke> haha never mind
[11:38] <mindspin> hi
[11:41] <mindspin> can anybody tell e how to remove applications I don#t want to have? like, I only want xmms for playin mp3 and no other kde app
[11:42] <sirukin> I'd use amaroK instead.
[11:42] <sirukin> xmms is so...lacking
[11:42] <mindspin> thats fine for you, but i want amarok to be removed and wanna have xmms
[11:43] <sirukin> sudo apt-get remove amarok
[11:43] <mindspin> hehe
[11:43] <mindspin> then I#m asked wether i want to remove kde-desktop either
[11:43] <mindspin> and thats not what I want
[12:10] <Tm_T> hi incubii
[12:11] <incubii> hey Tm_T 
[12:15] <incubii> whats going on
[12:26] <Tm_T> life?
[12:28] <joy> hi
[12:28] <joy> anybody out there?
[12:30] <Hussam> do the ubuntu xfce debs have compositor enabled?
[12:37] <misieq> does anybody know where konqeror keeps bookmarks??
[12:38] <Hussam> do the ubuntu xfce debs have compositor enabled?
[12:42] <Riddell> misieq: .kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml
[12:51] <incubii> lol that bad is it
[01:22] <rolphin> Hi, how can I remove the feature that make french accent with simple quotes ?
[01:25] <sirukin> set your language correctly
[01:25] <rolphin> thx ok
[01:30] <Riddell> brainkilla: hi
[01:31] <rolphin> that doesnt change anything
[01:31] <rolphin> I must hit  twice to have it write once
[01:32] <yahalom> how do i get kmail to check e-mail on startup?
[01:32] <rolphin> its a checkbox in the configuration box
[01:33] <brainkilla> Riddell: Hi ;)
[01:34] <brainkilla> havent seen that you responded in the main channel
[01:34] <uniq> hi guys.
[02:07] <uniq> hmm.. any suggested fonts for konsole, I like 6x12 in xterm.
[02:10] <rolphin> 6x13 (fixed) is da best
[02:11] <uniq> for konsole? 
[02:11] <rolphin> for xterm
[02:12] <uniq> yes... but konsole doesn't give me that option.
[02:12] <rolphin> so why use it ?
[02:13] <rolphin> try custom -> monospace -> size 12
[02:13] <rolphin> it's nice too
[02:13] <rolphin> (this is what I use with this  irssi session)
[02:14] <uniq> it's what i use now.. size 8.. 
[02:19] <rolphin> size 8 ...
[02:19] <rolphin> you'll loose you eyes...
[02:20] <uniq> no.. 100dpi 1280x800
[02:21] <rolphin> ok
[02:50] <prophet> How do i change my display settings in Kubuntu? I got a Dell E172FP monitor but i can't change it.
[02:50] <rolphin> Xfree86 Config file
[02:50] <rolphin> always work
[02:51] <Diablo-D3> prophet: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:51] <prophet> hmmm... how do i add root?
[02:52] <Diablo-D3> prophet: you dont, just use sudo
[02:53] <uniq> sudo -s ~ su
[02:53] <Diablo-D3> heh, I just sudo bash
[02:53] <Diablo-D3> its so easier to remember
[02:53] <uniq> :)
[03:27] <Kamping_in_doze> hi ppl
[03:33] <mrmanic> Kamping_in_doze: is ircing as Administrator as frowned upon as ircing as root?
[03:33] <buz> if administrator implies windows, even more so ;)
[03:33] <Kamping_in_doze> yeh, someone else has pointed that out, and nothing i can do :| not my box
[03:35] <mrmanic> :)
[03:35] <da_bon_bon> any1 from india here ?
[03:41] <mrmanic> Kamping_in_doze: I still respect you.  ;)
[04:09] <yahalom> is there a project like kubuntu but with xfce4?
[04:20] <vicks> anyone nows if there's a way to configure how gtk looks in kde?
[04:20] <KaiL_> yahalom: not yet, create one ;)
[04:20] <KaiL_> would be interesting imho
[04:21] <KaiL_> vicks: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[04:21] <KaiL_> this gives you a gtk theme to import qt themes and a frontent to configute theme + fonts for gtk apps from kcontrol
[04:23] <mrmanic> what is good about xfce4?
[04:23] <kkathman> howdy mrmanic :)
[04:23] <KaiL_> mrmanic: good for slow computers
[04:24] <kkathman> mrmanic: xfce is excellent if you have a computer with limited resources...i.e. small amount of memory
[04:24] <mrmanic> ah
[04:24] <mrmanic> hey kkathman 
[04:24] <kkathman> hey KaiL_ how goes it today?
[04:25] <mrmanic> is a 700mhz box with ~380M ram "limited resources"?
[04:26] <kkathman> mrmanic: not as much as when I installed it on one that had only 96mb
[04:26] <mrmanic> ouch
[04:26] <kkathman> 380mb is a bit on the small side tho memorywise
[04:26] <vicks> ah. thanks KaiL_ 
[04:27] <kkathman> so you'd probably benefit from a little better desktop performance, but I cant say how much
[04:29] <kkathman> mrmanic: is there a reason, per se, that you are looking to change your desktop?  Or are you just looking to get a performance boost?
[04:29] <transgress> hey what's the qt wrapper for gtk programs called again?
[04:30] <KaiL_> mrmanic: 700MHz, 384MB RAM? Can you give that to me please, if it's to slow for you? :)
[04:30] <KaiL_> limited recources is something around <300MHz and <200MB RAM
[04:30] <mrmanic> ah, gotcha
[04:31] <mrmanic> transgress: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[04:31] <KaiL_> btw. gcc4 seams to save 5-10% disk usage :)
[04:31] <mrmanic> I think many or possibly most americans with computers have way more computer than they really know what to do with
[04:32] <kkathman> KaiL_: hehe
[04:32] <transgress> okay also would one care to tell me what to do with the gtk engine now that i've got it installed?
[04:32] <mrmanic> go into kcontrol
[04:32] <Tm_T> hha
[04:32] <mrmanic> you should see the new control panel installed
[04:32] <kkathman> mrmanic: hmm...could be, but memory is so cheap here that its always better to overkill there
[04:33] <mrmanic> kkathman: I agree
[04:33] <kkathman> mrmanic: 1GB memory for $40  why not??
[04:35] <kkathman> my purpose in using LInux here at home was to rescue two old computers that couldnt run a contemporary OS :)
[04:35] <kkathman> Ubuntu was absolutely a breeze to install on them, and now they are useful, instead of being a boat anchor :)
[04:38] <mrmanic> nice
[04:39] <mrmanic> I actually use linux as my main OS b/c I got sick of windows.  
[04:39] <mrmanic> I tried OSX over the weekend.
[04:39] <mrmanic> it's quite nice
[04:39] <mrmanic> I might buy a powerbook as my next laptop.
[04:39] <buz> mhh not a bad choice
[04:40] <buz> tho i've come to prefer kde over osx
[04:40] <kkathman> mrmanic: Well I honestly didnt get "sick" of windows per se, but it would have been very expensive to put an OS and make those other computers useable with any microsoft products, thats for sure
[04:42] <mrmanic> buz: me too. that was my main frustration.  They did do a lot of things that I liked, though, especially with applications.
[04:42] <mrmanic> I like KDE a lot
[04:42] <buz> yeah
[04:42] <buz> most apps on osx feel pretty limited
[04:42] <buz> dumbed down for your grandma if you want
[04:42] <mrmanic> yeah, seriously
[04:42] <buz> pages for one is next to worthless imh
[04:42] <buz> imho
[04:43] <mrmanic> I've been happy to see on some of the apps on OSX some sort of running log window, though
[04:43] <mrmanic> Unison, for one, and console, obviously, for the OS logs.
[04:43] <mrmanic> I like that.
[04:43] <buz> i think konsole could do that too
[04:43] <buz> i still prefer rsync to unison, myself
[04:45] <buz> but the fact that you can't get osx to display menus inside the application window was a pita
[04:45] <buz> that and the lack of a decent office suite
[04:49] <brosio> anyone could help me to make a floopy disk to boot ?
[04:50] <brosio> grub-floppy
[04:50] <brosio> Can't find /lib/grub/*-*/stage1, aborting
[04:50] <brosio> not work
[04:50] <kkathman> buz some of the multimedia and graphical progs on OSX are the cadillac of their industry tho
[04:50] <buz> true
[04:50] <buz> final cut is top
[04:50] <buz> but i don't care for that stuff
[04:51] <kkathman> buz Logic and ProTools are about the only thing that pro sound editors use any more
[04:51] <kkathman> but those are not necessarily for the general masses
[04:51] <buz> not really no
[04:51] <kkathman> but a huge industry following
[04:52] <buz> most of the stuff that's bundled with osx isn't worth much
[04:52] <buz> it's better than the XP crap  but still not really useable
[04:52] <buz> ilife=toys
[04:52] <kkathman> well XP has some very good apps too that are industry standards also
[04:52] <buz> but not bundled
[04:52] <kkathman> many of those are cross platform Mac and XP tho
[04:53] <kkathman> buz oh no..not bundled at all
[04:53] <buz> only thing truly missing onl inux is useable accounting
[04:54] <kkathman> well, for the average person that might be true, but there is plenty missing on linux in the way of application functionality...most of the apps I have seen are immature, crash easily and have limited functionality. There are exceptions tho
[04:54] <kkathman> buz: the whole world of business software is fairly limited, not just accounting
[04:56] <kkathman> Ihave been very impressed tho with the development software..which seems to be a forte :)
[04:56] <buz> kontact is a gem
[04:59] <kkathman> buz kontact's mail is too basic, but thunderbird is available  and thats more industrial strength :)
[05:00] <Tm_T> TB <3
[05:01] <kkathman> hey Tm_T :)
[05:01] <Tm_T> hi kkathman 
[05:11] <vicks> damn. when i try to make my open office use the kde in dialogs, the dialogs crashed. i once saw a post about it on the forums but i just can't find it. anyone knows if there's a workaround?
[05:15] <KaiL> btw. how to enable that?
[05:15] <KaiL> installing openoffice.org-kde doesn't seam to be enough
[05:18] <Tm_T> vicks: hmm, go and try Koffice from svn =)
[05:18] <vicks> noo, i don'r wanna! =)
[05:21] <KaiL> vicks: seams to work better that the last beta ;)
[05:21] <vicks> KaiL: haven't tried it. did it work for you?
[05:23] <KaiL> vicks: I have the beta on my testbox - doesn't work THAT good
[05:24] <KaiL> Tm_T tried from svn and had success
[05:24] <vicks> KaiL: aha ok
[05:24] <Tm_T> svn works ok
[05:25] <Tm_T> haven't noticed any bigger bugs yet
[05:25] <braveheart> good OS :D
[05:29] <vicks> KaiL: did you figure out how to enable the dialogs in OO
[05:30] <kkathman> KaiL: All the reviews of the 1.4 beta of KO confirm your experience in that...especially the newer apps such as Kexi and Krita
[05:31] <KaiL> kkathman: krita at least starts
[05:32] <Tm_T> Kexi works ok as far as I've tested it :p
[05:34] <kkathman> KaiL: lol..Im a bit confused that developers would release even a "beta" in that condition though
[05:35] <kkathman> but then "beta" standards in the LInux community may differ greatly from professional software houses.
[05:40] <KaiL_> damn
[05:59] <yourghetek> i got the following error after doing an upgrade, http://pastebin.com/285160 how do i fix it?
[06:01] <Tm_T> hmm, let me guess, kdelibs-dev?
[06:02] <Tm_T> I mean data
[06:02] <Tm_T> oh yes, it is :p
[06:02] <Tm_T> yourghetek: check topic ? ;p
[06:03] <yourghetek> haha oops
[06:04] <yourghetek> how do i make sh scripts run when i click on them?
[06:05] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:05] <Tm_T> why not just rin them from Konsole?
[06:05] <Tm_T> run
[06:06] <yourghetek> i just wanna right click them to edit and left click to run
[06:07] <Tm_T> hmm, ok, rightclick, properties -> permissions -> 
[06:07] <Tm_T> but you have to run it as root
[06:07] <yourghetek> ok
[06:07] <yourghetek> right click on what?
[06:07] <Tm_T> so it's easier to run from Konsole
[06:08] <yourghetek> ah ok
[06:08] <yourghetek> damn
[06:08] <Tm_T> why not?
[06:08] <yourghetek> this permissions thing is kinda getting to me
[06:08] <Tm_T> what's the problem?
[06:08] <Tm_T> haha
[06:08] <yourghetek> i mean i understand about security and all that jazz
[06:08] <yourghetek> but this is my personal computer and im the only user
[06:09] <yourghetek> so its kind of annoying
[06:09] <Tm_T> no it's not
[06:09] <yourghetek> yes, it is
[06:10] <Tm_T> NOT!
[06:10] <Tm_T> =)
[06:10] <yourghetek> is
[06:10] <yourghetek> is x infinity
[06:11] <Tm_T> bah, pizza ->
[06:13] <yourghetek> i wish i had pizza
[06:15] <Tm_T> yummy
[06:15] <Tm_T> and coke with it =)
[06:18] <yourghetek> psh
[06:19] <yourghetek> im gonna go get coffee
[06:19] <yourghetek> ciao
[06:34] <yourghetek> bacl\k
[06:36] <transgress> wow... never gotten an email about the wiki i wrote... and then today i get two... weird
[06:47] <transgress> hey anyone know of a kde usenet reader?  is there one in kontact that i'm missing?
[06:48] <Jormundgand> Is KDE-Look.org down, or is it just me?
[06:48] <transgress> something's wrong with it yes
[06:50] <Jormundgand> I'm getting a healthy ping response from it, but Konqueror won't load it.
[06:52] <transgress> that's why i said something was wrong... might be apache
[07:00] <yourghetek> can someone point me in the direction of a sources.list?
[07:05] <dewey> ok if I install ubuntu-ppc and I want to install kubuntu-ppc how can I do that so I have kde 3.4?
[07:05] <KaiL_> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:06] <dewey> ok KaiL_ thanx I will do that :)
[07:12] <Tm_T> :)
[07:13] <babbabua> hi
[07:14] <babbabua> could anyone telle me if there are any seeds for Kubuntu DVD???
[07:14] <transgress> man half the internet must be down
[07:15] <transgress> mozilla.org doesn't seem to be kicking either... i think M$ must have something to do with this!
[07:15] <transgress> or the mpaa
[07:18] <kkathman> yeah like M$ has that kind of time to mess with websites :) lol
[07:19] <babbabua> kkathman there's no sources for k-ubuntu dvd?
[07:20] <kkathman> babbabua: should be yes..on the download site
[07:20] <kkathman> babbabua: but I would advise you to download the base hoary package first, get it installed, then just apt-get the kubuntu-desktop
[07:21] <babbabua> it was to do a multi-installation
[07:22] <babbabua> anyway I have to do everytime upgrade
[07:22] <babbabua> :/
[07:22] <kkathman> the kubuntu disk basically just installs hoary with only a KDE gui thats all
[07:23] <babbabua> no packeges then
[07:23] <babbabua> ok
[07:23] <babbabua> Thanks a lot!
[07:23] <babbabua> ;)
[07:31] <Tm_T> hi tez
[07:31] <kkathman> Tezkah:  hey :)
[07:33] <Tezkah> hey kkathman, Tm_T 
[07:33] <Tezkah> I am going to a LINUX USER GROUP tomorrow
[07:33] <Tezkah> for no apparent reason
[07:33] <Tezkah> besides to talk to people with beards
[07:35] <Tm_T> haha
[07:36] <Tezkah> note to self: never boot into Windows again
[07:36] <Tezkah> http://people.uleth.ca/~ryan.reamsbottom2/outlooknotsogood.png
[07:37] <Tm_T> xD
[07:37] <KaiL_> 2 process per mail?
[07:37] <kkathman> uhm... thats an idiot
[07:37] <kkathman> has nothing to do with WIndows
[07:38] <kkathman> thats someone that is obsessed with clicking on outlook 100 times cuz their dumb
[07:38] <KaiL_> it's multitreading I guess
[07:38] <Tezkah> I clicked an email link in Firefox, and outlook decided to try to open
[07:38] <Tezkah> over and over
[07:38] <Tezkah> never did get open
[07:38] <kkathman> yeah has nothing to do with Windows...you can do exactly the same thing in Linux too
[07:38] <kkathman> click on Kaffeine a few times and see what happens when you do a TOP
[07:38] <kkathman>  hehe
[07:38] <Tezkah> yep
[07:39] <kkathman> hell that application never stops even if you exit it :)
[07:39] <Tm_T> eh
[07:39] <Tm_T> killall =)
[07:39] <Tm_T> btw I dislike kaffeine
[07:39] <kkathman> uhm..yeah 
[07:39] <kkathman> thats user friendly eh Tm_T :)
[07:40] <Tm_T> kkathman: userfriendly == crashes before it opens?
[07:40] <kkathman> Important User Note, after listening to your music, be sure to go to a console and kill the process
[07:40] <Tm_T> haha
[07:40] <Tm_T> amaroK <3
[07:40] <kkathman> yeah it does that too :)
[07:41] <Tm_T> amaroK rock your pants off ;--P
[07:41] <kkathman> er pants
[07:41] <KaiL_> Tm_T: you should reduce the bass a bit :)
[07:41] <pv_> er
[07:41] <Tm_T> KaiL_: what bass?
[07:41] <kkathman> dude will it knokc er girlfriend's pants off tho?
[07:41] <Tm_T> ofcourse!
[07:42] <kkathman> excellent
[07:42] <Tm_T> KaiL_: I don't have subwoofer, don't need one
[07:42] <KaiL_> so it's not allowed to use that app in Texas? ;)
[07:42] <kkathman> Hey baby...wanna hear my new sound system....OH  look at that :)
[07:42] <Tm_T> =)
[07:43] <kkathman> KaiL_: we prefer Tequilla in Texas, we get the same result 
[07:43] <kkathman> lol
[07:43] <KaiL_> lol
[07:43] <kkathman> in California its white zinfandel, but real men dont drink white zinfandel
[07:43] <kkathman> course there are few real men in California
[07:44] <Tm_T> haha
[07:44] <rj45> hi
[07:44] <Tm_T> kkathman: but just a few
[07:44] <kkathman> yeah a few
[07:44] <Tm_T> 4 to be exactly
[07:44] <rj45> how can I change the reginal encoding in ubuntu 5.04 + KDE 3.4??
[07:44] <kkathman> but I hear alot of the women are more man than woman tho
[07:44] <Tm_T> rj45: hmm, kcontrol -> 
[07:45] <KaiL_> rj45: kontrolcenter -> region :))
[07:45] <Tm_T> =)
[07:46] <rj45> but it only display Conuntries
[07:47] <Tezkah> KDE is so pretty
[07:47] <rj45> I'm sorry for my english level, but I'm spanish ;)
[07:47] <Tezkah> its okay, noone is perfect
[07:48] <Tezkah> just kidding
[07:49] <KaiL_> rj45: select your country there and you'll see
[07:51] <rj45> I think the problem is the font type ;)
[07:51] <rj45> how can I install fonts?? :)
[07:52] <KaiL_> what's your exact problem?
[07:52] <carambol> i upgraded FF to 1.0.4 with backports
[07:52] <carambol> now i cant download/install extentions
[07:52] <Tm_T> kkathman: oh yes!! http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_025.png
[07:53] <rj45> that the Liquid Weather Theme for SuperKaramba don't display propertly the characters
[07:53] <carambol> what are the sites to Enable downloads
[07:53] <carambol> ?
[07:54] <KaiL_> rj45: might be, that it's configured to ISO-8859-1
[07:54] <KaiL_> or -15
[07:54] <kkathman> uhm ok Tm_T what am I looking at there?
[07:54] <KaiL_> ubuntu uses Unicode (UTF-8) everywhere
[07:54] <Tm_T> kkathman: the language of it =)
[07:55] <Tm_T> kkathman: I found an extension that adds menuentry to locales/language packs
[07:55] <rj45> Kail_: probably that's the problem
[07:56] <teardrop> damn
[07:56] <rj45> or that the fonts aren't installes
[07:56] <rj45> d
[07:56] <teardrop> i wish i knew another language that'd be sweet
[07:56] <Tezkah> u shuld lrn aol language
[07:56] <teardrop> aol?
[07:56] <KaiL_> lol
[07:57] <KaiL_> teardrop: learn one (or 2, 3...)
[07:58] <teardrop> KaiL_, i wish there was like an aramaic font language pack for linux lol. that would be some serious encryption
[07:58] <KaiL_> wow, for fi there's not the slightest idea what a word could mean
[07:58] <KaiL_> teardrop: fi, ee or hu are good enough :p
[07:58] <teardrop> what are those?
[07:59] <Tm_T> kkathman: I have no Idea what all those word means, but I think I can figure it out =)
[07:59] <KaiL_> finnish, estonian and hungarian 
[08:00] <teardrop> that's what i thought
[08:00] <teardrop> but they still use letters
[08:00] <teardrop> though nobody around you could read it that's for sure
[08:00] <KaiL_> lol
[08:00] <KaiL_> but in a - well, uncommon way...
[08:00] <Tm_T> :)
[08:00] <kkathman> ahh kewl Tm_T :)
[08:04] <Tm_T> nah, can't find what I'm looking for
[08:09] <Tezkah_> its really annoying that ctrl+z closes irssi
[08:09] <Tezkah_> I assume ctrl+c does as well
[08:09] <Tezkah_> and to switch servers you hit ctrl+x
[08:12] <Tm_T> hmmh
[08:13] <rrichie> hi all 
[08:13] <rrichie> are there some freevo package for kubuntu ?
[08:13] <Tm_T> freevo?
[08:14] <rrichie> yes
[08:14] <Tm_T> hmm, what that means?
[08:14] <rrichie> the "home theater" application
[08:14] <Tm_T> ah
[08:14] <rrichie> :)
[08:15] <rrichie> no packages?
[08:15] <Tm_T> http://freevo.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/doc/FreevoAptDebian
[08:15] <Tm_T> does that help?
[08:15] <Tm_T> yeah, I just used google
[08:16] <rrichie> but there are problems because kubuntu uses python 2.4 and this package of freevo requires 2.3
[08:25] <KaiL_> gcc might help :p
[09:04] <dewey_> ok I have installed hoary-ppc and the updated to kubuntu-desktop.
[09:05] <dewey_> but I still can not get my screen to 1078x768 it will only do 640x480 during my hoary-ppc install?
[09:07] <Tm_T> eh?
[09:07] <Tm_T> dewey_: it could be because of ddc
[09:08] <dewey_> Tm_T: what?
[09:08] <Tm_T> hmm, wait a minute, I give example
[09:08] <dewey_> ok
[09:09] <dewey_> yellolwdog gets it right on this same ibook!
[09:09] <dewey_> yellowdog
[09:10] <Tm_T> (WW) (1400x1050,Generic Monitor) mode clock 122MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz
[09:10] <Tm_T> and
[09:10] <Tm_T> (WW) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "1400x1050" (width 1400 is larger than
[09:10] <Tm_T> (WW) NVIDIA(0):      EDID-specified maximum 1280)
[09:11] <Tm_T> stinky
[09:11] <Tm_T> and that's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:11] <dewey_> hmmm I will just send an email to ubuntu-ppc people I guess.
[09:11] <dewey_> let me look in mine.
[09:11] <Tm_T> hmm, check if you have that kind of errors in there
[09:46] <AndyR> hi all
[09:47] <Tezkah> hello Dr Andy!
[09:47] <AndyR> Dr? not i
[09:47] <Tezkah> you are a doctor
[09:47] <Tezkah> a doctor of love
[09:47] <AndyR> lol
[09:50] <AndyR> i have a p4 that refuses to boot from a kubuntu dvd but i know the dvd is fine as another box boots fine with it and i know the drive is ok as it boots from cd's ok
[09:51] <Tezkah> hmm
[09:51] <Tezkah> a DVD?
[09:51] <Tezkah> I didn't know there was a DVD image
[09:51] <AndyR> yes
[09:51] <Tezkah> have you tried the CD image?
[09:52] <AndyR> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/
[09:53] <Tezkah> ah, I see
[09:53] <Tezkah> its a DVD drive, right?
[09:53] <AndyR> not of kubuntu, but it boots ubuntu CD image fine
[09:53] <AndyR> yes
[09:57] <kay> What about g++ is broken?
[10:02] <kkathman> AndyR: I'd go ahead and install the ubuntu CD image, then just apt-get the kubuntu-desktop after install.
[10:02] <Tezkah> do you get KDM with that?
[10:03] <kkathman> its much more reliable and gives you a back up UI if KDE messes up
[10:03] <AndyR> i was just trying live as they are both running ubuntu hoary anyway
[10:05] <kkathman> ahh well if you are doing just the live version doesnt matter much
[10:06] <kkathman> but definitely if you do an install, do the full ubuntu first...then apt-get the KDE
[10:06] <Tm_T> Tezkah: if not, you can install it separately and configure it to be default dm
[10:07] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, why should he?
[10:07] <AndyR> i didnt want to commit to kde until i had seen it running
[10:07] <kkathman> Tm_T because its plainly a more reliable install
[10:07] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I install wmaker too, just because I like it
[10:08] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm?
[10:08] <kkathman> AndyR: thats not a bad philosophy at all
[10:08] <kkathman> Tm_T we all know, and ubuntu agrees, that the kubuntu-disk install is flawed, and wont be fixed until breezy
[10:08] <kkathman> there are things missing
[10:09] <AndyR> as im really happy with running gnome here on ubuntu since 09/04
[10:09] <kkathman> if you install ubuntu native, then apt-get kubuntu-desktop, you will have virtually no issues
[10:10] <kkathman> AndyR: thats a good thing, you'll find KDE a bit more easier to tweak I think, but both UI's work well, just personal preference is the key
[10:10] <AndyR> i have kdelibs anyway as im using k3b
[10:10] <kkathman> ugh I cant believe I said "more easier"  yikes!
[10:10] <kkathman> KDE will be a bit more flexible in tweaking the details of your UI
[10:11] <AndyR> i have a spare dev box here so i will put it on there for a week or two
[10:11] <Tm_T> kkathman: ah ok
[10:11] <Tm_T> kkathman: I haven't thought it, I just installed and mostly all is ok
[10:12] <kkathman> mostly
[10:12] <kkathman> as long as you stay with native KDE things
[10:12] <Tm_T> eh
[10:12] <kkathman> and many of those kinda suxors
[10:12] <Tm_T> no, I use more gtk etc apps than kde stuff =)
[10:13] <AndyR> no issues with sypheed-claws?
[10:13] <Tm_T> what's that?
[10:13] <AndyR> e-mail client
[10:14] <kkathman> Tm_T right, and you cant use alot of gtk stuff out of a k-disk install cuz you dont get a full gtk install
[10:14] <AndyR> that works fine with clamav
[10:14] <Tm_T> kkathman: so?
[10:15] <Tm_T> I mean apt handles all dependencies so I can use all gtk apps afaik
[10:17] <vicks> i'm very new to the whole linux experience, so maybe i'm doing like everything wrong, but: isn't kubuntu quite unstable?
[10:17] <Riddell> vicks: it has it's share of problems
[10:19] <Tezkah> hmm... unstable?
[10:19] <Tezkah> maybe if you put it on a wobbly table
[10:19] <Tezkah> it might crash
[10:19] <vicks> i mean, if i use for say like an hour, amarok will mostly stop working, konqueror will crash at LEAST one time and so on. how much do you guys think breezy will improve? what's the word on the streets ;)
[10:19] <Tezkah> but then you could just fix the table and put it back up there
[10:20] <kkathman> Tm_T seems obvious to me, but obviously im wrong
[10:21] <vicks> well, Tezkah, sorry if my terminology isn't all right, hopefully you can at least guess what i'm trying to say...
[10:22] <Tezkah> I'm just kidding
[10:22] <Tezkah> but I haven't had the same experiance
[10:22] <Riddell> breezy will use gcc 4, which might well kill everything horribly.  or it might not
[10:22] <Tezkah> amaroK doesn't crash, but I couldn't install XFCE and make it run
[10:23] <Tm_T> kkathman: ?
[10:23] <KaiL_> vicks: tell us about the bugs - esp. about the non-crashers btw!
[10:24] <KaiL_> this will help VERY much to make kubuntu better
[10:24] <kkathman> Tm_T ??
[10:24] <Tezkah> Tm_T kkathman: ???
[10:24] <vicks> ok, i didn't mean to sound sour or anything, Tezkah
[10:24] <Tm_T> vicks: hmm, my amaroK runs nicely and konqi has crashed only twice as far
[10:24] <Tm_T> and you can say me as heavy user =)
[10:24] <Tezkah> konq crashed over and over until I realized it was doing it on the same file, a corrupted one on an NTFS drive
[10:25] <Tm_T> haha
[10:25] <Tezkah> and now I am going to nap
[10:25] <Tm_T> kkathman: 23:20 < kkathman> Tm_T seems obvious to me, but obviously im wrong <- ?
[10:25] <kkathman> Tm_T how many people come in that have probs, usually have installed from the kubuntu disk....maybe its my perception, but there are many more problems with those than if they install base ubuntu and pull down k-d
[10:25] <Tm_T> hmm, so maybe I was just lucky =)
[10:26] <kkathman> Not to mention, that if (or when) the KDE GUI messes up, you have an alternate UI to fall back on
[10:26] <vicks> i might be becuase i play files from an ntfs partition
[10:26] <Tm_T> but yes, it's better to have two DE:s
[10:26] <Tm_T> kkathman: you're right
[10:28] <smouche> amen to that; xfce is really nice to fall back on.
[10:28] <kkathman> hey its just my perception, so I could be wrong
[10:28] <smouche> how are you, gentlemen?
[10:28] <kkathman> heya there smouche!! LTNS :)
[10:28] <Tezkah> I find that with Linux, it either works or it doesn't.  If you can make it work it works good forever
[10:28] <Tezkah> with Windows, it always works... just not very well
[10:28] <KaiL_> Tm_T: ohm, no
[10:28] <Tm_T> KaiL_: ?
[10:28] <Tm_T> smouche <3
[10:28] <KaiL_> you always have 3 states - "works", "works sometimes" "never works"
[10:28] <AndyR> messes up, does it then? :))
[10:28] <smouche> well, I'm generally here in spirit, kkathman, just not a good enough multi-tasker to talk much lately
[10:28] <kkathman> I have run XP since it basically came out and it has never crashed, never messed up an application, in 3-4 years. So I could say the same thing for Windows :)
[10:28] <vicks> is there a way of installing ubuntu+kde without getting all gnome-apps in kde
[10:28] <KaiL_> on Linux the first is 95%, the last 10%
[10:29] <KaiL_> eh
[10:29] <KaiL_> first 85%
[10:29] <kkathman> Maybe Im just the exception :)
[10:29] <Tm_T> =)
[10:29] <smouche> you never crashed XP?  Impressive, kkathman
[10:29] <KaiL_> on Windows first is 5%, last is 1%
[10:29] <kkathman> nope..not even once smouche
[10:29] <KaiL_> smouche: I guess, he never used
[10:29] <kkathman> uh...you missed above..
[10:29] <kkathman> 6 computers, all running XP, on 24 hours a day
[10:30] <Tm_T> kkathman: yeah, try to run unstable apps
[10:30] <kkathman> I reboot maybe once every 2 weels
[10:30] <smouche> kkathman, what about system restore, ever need to use that?
[10:30] <kkathman> Tm_T I dont run unstable apps :)
[10:30] <Tm_T> kkathman: well I do, and those messes windows really bad
[10:30] <vicks> is there a simple way of installing ubuntu+kde without getting all gnome-apps in kde
[10:30] <kkathman> smouche I have it set, but have never had to go back to it
[10:30] <kkathman> which apps are unstable Tm_T :)
[10:31] <smouche> talk about the benefits of clean living... ;-)
[10:31] <kkathman> smouche oh wait...I did use that once  
[10:31] <smouche> ah hah!
[10:31] <kkathman> smouche:  I think its like anything...if you take the time to know it, and understand it, you can make any system rock solid
[10:32] <mypapit> what's kubuntu? does it related to ubuntu linux?
[10:32] <mypapit> what's kubuntu? does it relate to ubuntu linux?
[10:32] <kkathman> same goes with Mac, Unix, Linux, etc
[10:32] <smouche> this is how stupidly reliant I became on system restore:  I even committed the blunder of letting it restore Trojans and crap like that.
[10:32] <Tezkah> http://www.kubuntu.org/
[10:32] <kkathman> mypapit: kubuntu = ubuntu with KDE
[10:32] <mypapit> oh..
[10:32] <Tezkah> kkathman: yeah, Windows can be stable
[10:33] <Tezkah> I got bored with having my system set up properly for too long, so I installed Kubuntu
[10:33] <smouche> kkathman, I kept my XP pretty clean, nevertheless crud accumulates eventually
[10:33] <kkathman> smouche: Actually I had an install of something that I wanted to completely remove so I uninstalled and then sys restored back to before I did it...wasnt a problem
[10:33] <kkathman> smouche: Only thing I absolutely hate with a passion is the registry
[10:34] <kkathman> that bugs the crap outa me
[10:34] <smouche> me too.
[10:34] <kkathman> but I now have a tool that keeps that clean for me too :)
[10:34] <smouche> I stopped installing anything but programs from zip, no installers
[10:34] <Tezkah> I taught this friend to delete the registry of her ex-boyfriend
[10:34] <Tezkah> woops
[10:35] <kkathman> I used the heck outa my system..heavy apps too like Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Xara Webstyle, etc
[10:35] <Tm_T> kkathman: well, I like to test and use new stuff, they come and go =)
[10:35] <kkathman> Tm_T yeah me too, and I know exactly how to do that
[10:35] <Tm_T> kkathman: I haven't used windows for couple months now so I don't remember
[10:35] <kkathman> but I also dont try unstable apps
[10:35] <Tm_T> heh
[10:36] <kkathman> especially ones that I would trust the integrity of my system to
[10:36] <kkathman> thats just dumb
[10:36] <phxguy> Is anyone else having trouble getting to kdelook.org
[10:36] <Tm_T> phxguy: oh yeah
[10:37] <kkathman> phxguy: yes its down or undergoing maintenance....or as the paranoid here say. "Microsoft is hacking it"
[10:37] <Tm_T> o/
[10:37] <Tm_T> it was .... me ] ;=
[10:37] <kkathman> I cracked up this morning when someone insinuated that Microsoft was blocking KDE-org...OMG
[10:38] <kkathman> it wasnt you Tm_T but if it were, I know you'd be kidding
[10:38] <phxguy> lol... Sure is down a lot since it moved to those 'new' servers... 
[10:38] <phxguy> thanks for confirming though
[10:38] <Tm_T> kkathman: haha =)
[10:39] <kkathman> I got this lifesize picture of Bill Gates pacing feverishly and making calls to his development people saying "Stop what youre doing...start hacking KDE.org!!"
[10:39] <kkathman> yeah right
[10:39] <Tm_T> hahaha xD
[10:39] <vicks> i think microsoft is blocking the plumming in the kitchen
[10:39] <vicks> my kitchen that is
[10:39] <kkathman> the paranoia around here sometimes is a bit hilarious :)
[10:39] <Tm_T> kkathman: just you wait, I search one pic of gates...
[10:40] <Tm_T> no, he uses Kubuntu! ;p
[10:42] <vicks> so is the general opinion that you get a more stable system when installing kde through ubuntu?
[10:43] <Tm_T> hmm, I think so
[10:44] <kkathman> vicks: My opinion is that you have a safer system, more reliable if you install hoary first, then apt-get the kubuntu-desktop
[10:44] <teardrop> does KDE support true transparency?
[10:44] <kkathman> teardrop: explain what YOU mean by transparency.
[10:44] <smouche> I've done it both ways, vicks; right now I have a "true kubuntu" install, no gnome, and it's definitely more stable, but probably just because I'm a little less clueless than when I started with ubuntu and added kubuntu-desktop.
[10:45] <smouche> I am inclined to believe kkathman, however, and will do my next install the way he suggests, ubuntu first.
[10:45] <vicks> ok
[10:45] <teardrop> i mean do can you see the other apps through one app, it's not just a the background picture
[10:46] <Tm_T> teardrop: well, yes and no
[10:46] <smouche> I think it does, experimentally, teardrop, but there are lots of dire warnings about instability
[10:46] <closure> smouche, damnit
[10:46] <smouche> closure?
[10:47] <Tm_T> kids?
[10:47] <kkathman> teardrop its on an application by application base
[10:47] <smouche> personally I can't stand these translucent menus so many people seem to like.
[10:47] <kkathman> some applications will allow it, such as Konsole.. Python supports true transparency on the KDE Desktop
[10:47] <smouche> pseudo transparency is good enough for me.
[10:48] <kkathman> i.e. SuperKaramba applications
[10:48] <kkathman> and smouche is right, there are some instabilities if you do unusual things
[10:48] <Tm_T> no shit =)
[10:49] <Tm_T> I don't use that transcluency because its unstability, I don't need it then :p
[10:49] <smouche> heh, I get enough visual confusion as it is...
[10:50] <vicks> is kubuntu-desktop the metapackage?
[10:51] <smouche> yes, vicks
[10:51] <closure> http://caos.caosity.org/images/caos2-gnome-trans.png
[10:51] <closure> that's what i'm asking
[10:51] <kkathman> hmm
[10:52] <closure> is that only in gnome
[10:52] <Tm_T> closure: yes you can get it
[10:52] <kkathman> funny looks like NickServ is on the fritz
[10:52] <closure> Tm_T, GNOME? or the transparency
[10:52] <Tm_T> closure: transparency
[10:53] <closure> is that unstable?
[10:53] <Tm_T> closure: no, unless you wan't 3d stuff at the same time
[10:53] <closure> no
[10:53] <closure> i just want it to do that
[10:53] <closure> how do i get that?
[10:54] <Tm_T> hmm, just change it on from kcontrol
[10:54] <closure> where?
[10:54] <Tm_T> K control centre
[10:54] <closure> i know
[10:54] <closure> where in there though?
[10:54] <closure> there
[10:54] <closure> 's nothing in there
[10:55] <closure> under transparency that is
[10:56] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:56] <Tm_T> closure: it's called transcluency
[10:56] <closure> yeah
[10:56] <closure> under the search nothing is there
[06:28] <Tm_T> good morning to you, danish fellow
[06:32] <_nate> you all love me
[06:32] <_nate> don't deny it
[06:32] <Tm_T> ok, I hate you
[06:35] <_nate> I just got a 20 GB exter hdd, its so awesome, never knew how good one could be
[06:35] <_nate> check it out: http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4001730
[06:36] <_nate> it works under linux, thank goodness
[06:37] <Hussam> I have an irc question. how do you do that inserting text thing?  like in "_nate slaps Tm_T with a rather large trout"
[06:37] <Tm_T> Hussam: /me plah plah plah
[06:37] <Hussam> oh ok cool
[06:37] <Tm_T> :)
[06:37] <Hussam> lol
[06:38] <Tm_T> haha
[06:39] <_nate> does 'tar -cjf file.tar.bz2 foo bar' make a .tar.bz2 file consisting of foo and bar?
[06:40] <Tm_T> _nate: try it
[06:42] <_nate> yeah, it works
[06:43] <_nate> compressing a 3.7 gb directory
[06:43] <_nate> a lil backup :)
[06:43] <Tm_T> =)
[06:47] <xeuful> I recently installed kubuntu and am trying to be able to use my SATA hd, but when I click on it I get "mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab". What can I do about this?
[06:48] <_nate> ummm, add it to /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab?
[06:48] <xeuful> what is "it" and how do I add "it"? I 
[06:48] <xeuful> I'm sorry but I just recently switched from Windows and haven't got a clue
[06:50] <_nate> oh man, thats pretty complicated, i'm not sure exaclt how you would go about doing it, but you need an entry in either fstab or mtab for your serial ATA drive in order for linux to recognize it
[06:50] <Tm_T> eh, only in fstab
[06:50] <_nate> type 'less /etc/fstab'
[06:50] <_nate> Tm_T: I'm just goin off of what the error said :)
[06:50] <Tm_T> :)
[06:51] <Tm_T> and actually it's quite easy to add your sata HD into fstab
[06:51] <xeuful> ok so I've got fstab open. I could add /dev/sda1
[06:51] <xeuful> but I don't know its mount point, options, dump and apss
[06:51] <Tm_T> where you wan't it to be mounted?
[06:51] <xeuful> btw it's NTFS formatted
[06:52] <Tm_T> ok, so it's read only
[06:52] <xeuful> well, where? uh ...
[06:52] <Tm_T> /mnt/ntfs is a good choise I think
[06:52] <xeuful> what in the konsole?
[06:53] <xeuful> oh you mean as a mount point
[06:53] <Tm_T> yes
[06:53] <xeuful> so "type" is ntfs?
[06:53] <Tm_T> hmm, yes
[06:53] <Tm_T> let me see...
[06:53] <xeuful> options is "default" 
[06:54] <Tm_T> /dev/hdc4  /mnt/ntfs1  ntfs  ro,defaults,noauto,umask=022 0  0
[06:54] <Tm_T> mine is that way
[06:54] <Tm_T> and then only root can mount it (I think that's more secure)
[06:55] <xeuful> how do i do that? by rebooting?
[06:55] <Tm_T> nno
[06:55] <Tm_T> ok, you have Konsole open?
[06:55] <xeuful> yeah
[06:55] <Tm_T> ok, type "sudo nano /etc/fstab"
[06:56] <Tm_T> and add that line as last
[06:56] <xeuful> did that, am editing
[06:56] <Tm_T> but modifuy it ofcourse
[06:56] <Tm_T> -u
[06:56] <xeuful> yeah
[06:56] <Tm_T> and when you're done, just press ctrl-x
[06:57] <xeuful> okay I'll try thanks!
[06:57] <Tm_T> what, where's hes going?
[06:57] <Tm_T> wtf
[06:57] <Tm_T> ok, why they can't wait I explain it to the end ok?
[06:58] <_nate> lol
[06:58] <Tm_T> I hope he doesn't do anything he have to regret
[06:59] <_nate> lol
[06:59] <Tm_T> I really do...
[07:03] <Tm_T> hello again
[07:03] <xeuful> hi!
[07:03] <Tm_T> I really have to ask, what did you do =)
[07:04] <xeuful> i modified that fstab thingie and then restarted
[07:04] <Tm_T> why you restarted?
[07:04] <xeuful> now it says "mount: only root can mount /dev/sda1 on /mnt/ntfs1"
[07:04] <xeuful> i guess this is a good sign
[07:04] <Tm_T> well yes, but why you restarted?
[07:04] <xeuful> uh ... I'm used to it through windows?
[07:05] <xeuful> hey everything works out when you restart
[07:05] <Tm_T> yeah, but you really don't need to restart
[07:05] <xeuful> yeah .. well, i'm too hasty I didn't even read your last line
[07:06] <Tm_T> yeah I know
[07:06] <Tm_T> ok, you wan't to mount it?
[07:06] <xeuful> yes please :)
[07:07] <Tm_T> ok, say "sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs" or whatever was the mountpoiny
[07:07] <Tm_T> t
[07:07] <xeuful> wait
[07:08] <xeuful> will my data be secure?
[07:08] <Tm_T> read only
[07:08] <Tm_T> so yes
[07:08] <xeuful> I mean it won't format or anything
[07:08] <Tm_T> no
[07:09] <xeuful> well I did it. still nothing. 
[07:09] <Tm_T> no, this is not windows, "unidentified filesystem, formatting..."
[07:09] <xeuful> hehe
[07:09] <Tm_T> yes, now say "sudo mount /dev/sda1"
[07:09] <xeuful> aah
[07:09] <Hussam> actually kernel 2.6 can write to ntfs, right? but I think it is disabled it and made it read only?
[07:10] <Tm_T> Hussam: well, afaik ntfs writing is a)slow b)hard to get up and workin
[07:10] <xeuful> well it's mounted, but it says "Could not enter folder /mnt/ntfs1."
[07:10] <Tm_T> ?
[07:10] <Tm_T> interesting
[07:10] <_nate> the compression of this 3.7 GB folder is taking FOREVER
[07:11] <xeuful> indeed
[07:11] <Tm_T> _nate: well, what you expected?
[07:11] <Hussam> xeuful: did you mkdir /mnt/ntfs1 ?
[07:11] <_nate> Tm_T: don't you need to install a special package to be able to read ntfs?
[07:11] <Tm_T> _nate: nope afaik
[07:11] <xeuful> aha!
[07:12] <xeuful> looking at /mnt it seems that ntfs1 is a locked folder
[07:12] <xeuful> owned by root
[07:12] <_nate> xeuful: chown or chmod
[07:12] <_nate> i recommend chmod
[07:12] <xeuful> wtf?
[07:13] <_nate> without write access, to prevent accidents
[07:13] <kakalto> anyone here know much about fullscreen and wine?
[07:13] <xeuful> so what to do? I've heard of this "chmod" but I don'T know what it does
[07:13] <_nate> it changes the permissions on the folder
[07:13] <_nate> man chmod
[07:13] <Hussam> xeuful: or umask=0222
[07:14] <xeuful> hmmm
[07:14] <xeuful> wait I'll try. will i have to mount again after modifying fstab?
[07:15] <_nate> xeuful: sudo chmod 555 /mnt/ntfs1
[07:15] <_nate> actually
[07:15] <_nate> xeuful: sudo chmod 444 /mnt/ntfs1
[07:15] <_nate> you only ever need to read from that
[07:16] <Tm_T> you can't chmod read-only filesystems =)
[07:16] <xeuful> gah!
[07:16] <Hussam> xeuful: just add the line to fstab: /dev/sda1  /mnt/ntfs1  ntfs    umask=0222 
[07:16] <xeuful> I already did
[07:17] <Tm_T> hmm, interesting
[07:17] <_nate> Tm_T: just changing the permissions on the mount point, not on the actual filesystems
[07:17] <Tm_T> _nate: well hmm, yeh
[07:17] <xeuful> oh wait in fstab, <pass> says "$" instead of 0 or 1
[07:17] <_nate> Tm_T: I believe a -R option would make it invalid
[07:18] <Tm_T> xeuful: maybe "sudo chmod 777 /mnt/ntfs1" helps :p
[07:19] <Hussam> I think it should be: /dev/sda1  /mnt/ntfs1  ntfs    umask=0222       0         0
[07:19] <Tm_T> well, try it
[07:19] <xeuful> mmkay
[07:19] <_nate> Tm_T: not 777, you don't want to have write permissions to that folder
[07:20] <_nate> Tm_T: for safety's sake i say 444, that way all you can do is read it
[07:20] <Tm_T> _nate: there won't be, it's read only in mount parameters
[07:20] <xeuful> wow I can enter it, but there's nothing there
[07:20] <Tm_T> so the mount point is "free to all" but the mounted filesystem is far afay from write access
[07:20] <_nate> Tm_T: ok
[07:21] <Tm_T> away even
[07:21] <xeuful> no wait it still says "could not enter ..."
[07:21] <Tm_T> eh
[07:21] <xeuful> gah! I want to have access to my ... data
[07:22] <xeuful> geez even knoppix could give me access to my sata drive
[07:22] <Tm_T> ok, I take a shower and eat some breakfast ->
[07:22] <Hussam> xeuful: what did you add in fstab ?
[07:22] <_nate> xeuful: whats the entry in your fstab again?
[07:22] <Tm_T> xeuful: you mounted it?
[07:22] <xeuful>  /dev/sda1 /mnt/ntfs1 ntfs  umask=0222    0     0
[07:23] <Hussam> then as root, mount -a
[07:23] <Hussam> xeuful: in konsole su then mount -a
[07:24] <_nate> no
[07:24] <_nate> sudo mount -a
[07:24] <_nate> or if you must have a root shell, sudo -s
[07:24] <_nate> never activate root, imo
[07:24] <xeuful> did "sudo mount -a" still nothing
[07:25] <_nate> no idea then, sorry man
[07:26] <xeuful> well alright thanks for the help!
[07:26] <Hussam> xeuful: try rebooting
[07:26] <_nate> i would suspect that maybe the sda settings in your bios are set in such a way that it is unsupported in ubuntu
[07:26] <_nate> oh yeah, try rebooting
[07:26] <xeuful> I'll reboot see you in a bit
[07:29] <xeuful> crap. one step back after rebooting
[07:30] <xeuful> 1. it now says "only root can mount ..." again
[07:30] <_nate> sudo mount -a
[07:30] <xeuful> 2. during boot, it says: "mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist"
[07:30] <_nate> see, the kernel doesn't recognize it
[07:30] <Hussam> then it probably did not detect the drive
[07:30] <_nate> the problem is at a lower level than fstab
[07:31] <xeuful> hmm
[07:31] <_nate> xeuful: type: sudo fdisk -l
[07:31] <xeuful> it does recognize it
[07:32] <_nate> is it listed in fdisk -l?
[07:32] <xeuful> yeah .... /dev/sda: 80GB .... device boot = /dev/sda1
[07:33] <_nate> hmmm, no idea then, sorry
[07:34] <xeuful> thanks anyway. I'll have to get going
[07:34] <_nate> later
[07:36] <_nate> Hussam: my cdrom won't unmount when i use krusader with it, ever heard of this?
[07:38] <Hussam> _nate: meh that's nothing. I'm on breezy and media:/ is broken
[07:38] <_nate> Hussam: heh
[07:38] <Hussam> _nate: it won't open in /media/cdrom  ?
[07:39] <_nate> it will, but i want to unmount it
[07:39] <Hussam> sudo umount /media/cdrom
[07:40] <_nate> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[07:40] <_nate> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[07:41] <Hussam> is there a cd in it?
[07:41] <_nate> yeah
[07:41] <_nate> but no programs using it afaik
[07:41] <Hussam> try ejecting it first , then unmount it
[07:41] <_nate> i did
[07:43] <_nate> figured it out, some process called gam_server uses it, hmmmm
[07:52] <Hussam> so you terminated gam_server ?
[07:52] <_nate> yep
[07:52] <_nate> then i can unmount
[07:52] <_nate> kindof a shame i can't do it without killing it
[07:53] <Hussam> maybe you can get it not to start a bootup
[07:53] <_nate> i guess other people have had problems with gam_server
[07:53] <_nate> it keeps track of changing directories and whatnot, i think its for rollback, i'm not sure
[07:55] <_nate> http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/
[07:55] <harsha> can some one tell me how to start a service everytime u reboot the system
[07:56] <harsha> is it /etc/init.d/xxxxxxxxx
[07:56] <Hussam> maybe chmod -x /etc/init.d/service name
[07:56] <siimo> does kubuntu auto detect WiFi on laptops
[07:57] <_nate> nope, not in there
[07:57] <_nate> yes siimo, most of them
[07:57] <_nate> siimo: I believe there is a list in the ubuntu wiki somewhere, search in it for wireless
[07:57] <harsha> Hussam : I did that
[07:59] <espiem> test
[07:59] <harsha> it didnt work
[08:00] <espiem> I've just install kubuntu but my favourite messenger not there. How to install "gaim"
[08:00] <Hussam> wait start is:  chmod +x /etc/init.d/service name
[08:01] <_luke> espiem: did you have gaim in ubuntu
[08:01] <espiem> i used to use gaim in ubuntu.. but not I newly installed fresh kubuntu
[08:02] <_luke> run  kappfinder
[08:02] <Hussam> espiem: sudo apt-get install gaim
[08:02] <espiem> luke: apt-get install or kynaptic didnt work
[08:03] <espiem> luke: maybe I need add repositories?
[08:03] <_luke> try   kappfinder
[08:03] <_nate> gnite everyone! :)
[08:03] <Tm_T> hey pal, it's morning
[08:04] <espiem> luke: u means under kynaptic?
[08:04] <_nate> only 1 AM here
[08:04] <_luke> 6pm
[08:04] <_nate> v55
[08:04] <Tm_T> 09:04
[08:04] <Tm_T> =)
[08:04] <_luke> espiem: in konsole, run kappfinder
[08:04] <Hussam> Tm_T: its 9:05 here too, where do you live?
[08:05] <Tm_T> Hussam: in Finland
[08:05] <espiem> luke: couldnt find. because i know gaim come handy with gnome. I didnt install gnome
[08:06] <_luke> did you install kubuntu from a kubuntu cd?
[08:07] <espiem> luke: yes I did
[08:07] <_luke> run:  sudo apt-get install gaim
[08:08] <Tm_T> http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html#01
[08:08] <Tm_T> Gaim <3
[08:08] <pppoe_dude> does kubuntu come with gnome?
[08:08] <Tm_T> nope
[08:09] <espiem> : Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail                         able)
[08:09] <espiem> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc                         ess using it?
[08:09] <pppoe_dude> ok
[08:09] <espiem> luke: the follwing message apperead: 
[08:09] <_luke> depends how you install it ;)
[08:09] <Tm_T> pppoe_dude: but you can install it afterwards
[08:09] <pppoe_dude> ok
[08:09] <pppoe_dude> thanks
[08:09] <_luke> espiem, are you running kynaptic, or synaptic??
[08:09] <Tm_T> espiem: shut the kynaptic
[08:09] <Tm_T> =)
[08:10] <_trevor> does anyone know how to setup linux so that it can connect to encrypted wireless networks at more than one location ?
[08:10] <pppoe_dude> how do i disable sound in ubuntu?
[08:10] <Tm_T> pppoe_dude: open kmix and mute ?
[08:10] <Tm_T> that's one way to do it
[08:10] <espiem> luke: the message couldnt find package gaim
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> how do i compile firefox with pango ? --enable-pango wont work..
[08:15] <_luke> espiem: in /etc/apt/sources.list  delete the '#' from 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted'   'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe' and 'deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted'
[08:16] <espiem> luke: ok. I'll try.. I also think the same thing..
[08:22] <espiem> luke: i coundnt find gedit. what to use?
[08:23] <_luke> kate
[08:24] <espiem> luke: you mean kate /etc/apt/sources.list?
[08:25] <_luke> yup. add sudo in front of that
[08:25] <Tm_T> why not nano?
[08:26] <_luke> it doesn't matter :p
[08:26] <Tm_T> well it does
[08:26] <Tm_T> =)
[08:26] <_luke> how..
[08:28] <espiem> luke: updating... have to wait
[08:29] <_luke> yup
[08:29] <espiem> luke: ok. it;s done. Than ks
[08:30] <_luke> no problem
[08:40] <_luke> espiem: can you install gaim now?
[08:44] <kkathman_> hey all :)
[08:44] <_luke> hey kkathman_ :)
[08:44] <kkathman_> howdy there _luke :)
[09:03] <ice_1963> ok
[10:31] <Ghetek> my sound never loads
[10:31] <Ghetek> and i know that my hardware is working b/c it works when i boot into windows
[10:31] <Ghetek> and when i start up kubuntu i get an error and it uses a null device
[11:27] <_luke> anyone know what this means?  -- Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
[11:28] <Tm_T> M$ hackers!
[11:28] <Tm_T> ;--P
[11:29] <_luke> hmm
[11:30] <_luke> I have a feeling it's something to do with nvidia drivers.. but not sure
[11:33] <_luke> dammit, gl-117 worked before, now I get that error..
[11:38] <Hussam> is there a free program like vmware also with a gui?
[11:50] <\sh> Hussam: qemu
[11:55] <_luke> hey \sh, do you know anything about wormux?
[11:55] <\sh> _luke: no :(
[11:56] <_luke> stink.. it wont access the graphics accelleration so it wont run
[01:03] <floe> hi all. kdesu always returns with "konversation with su failed". What's wrong there? su in concole works.
[01:06] <shogouki> cause its stupid to launch konversation in root ?
[01:12] <floe> shogouki: Who said that I want to run konversation as root... I have a context menu for my wlan card )knemo which runs ifup wlan0... And what avout synaptic, kynaptic, kuser, etc...? Can't start them too... I think if I specify a root password within a su dialog it is my privilige to run whatever I want, even if it's stupid (or insecure) ;)
[01:13] <Choubaka> hm
[01:13] <floe> shogouki: conversation... sry for that... 
[01:13] <Choubaka> sounds like you don't have sudo properly set up.
[01:15] <floe> Choubaka: Is kdesu using sudo as default? On my debian machine I haven't setup any sudoers entries for kdesu... If I use sudo why soecify the root password anyway?
[01:16] <Choubaka> ohh, kdesu uses sudo
[01:16] <Choubaka> I think
[01:19] <floe> Choubaka: That doesn't make sense to me anyway... Isn't sudo for not having to specify a root password at all?
[01:20] <Choubaka> yes.
[01:20] <Choubaka> you use your own password.
[01:22] <floe> Choubaka: okay, so I need an entry for my user in sudoers or put him in admin group? But then the user is root (god) like. I think thats more a security risk than typing the root password when needed once...
[01:31] <floe> Choubaka: If you r using kubuntu, could you maybe pleeease have a look in your sudoers file and tell me what I have to set. As the man for sudo says there is a "short" period of 15 min where no password has to be specified at all (after authentication)...I want to avoid that.
[01:36] <Choubaka> floe: it's not 15 min is it?
[01:36] <Choubaka> anyway, it's not specified in sudoers
[01:37] <Choubaka> I have a slightly edited sudoers: jarkko    ALL=(ALL) ALL, NOPASSWD: APT
[01:37] <floe> Once a user
[01:37] <floe>        has been authenticated, a timestamp is updated and the user may then
[01:37] <floe>        use sudo without a password for a short period of time (15 minutes
[01:37] <floe>        unless overridden in sudoers).
[01:38] <floe> ooops, sry for the flood... :P
[01:40] <floe> jarkko: So, do you have set a root password? I don't want to specify a command alias for every single binary... I think thats not the intention of a kdesu dialog, isn't it?
[01:40] <Choubaka> just use ALL
[01:40] <floe> Choubaka: I ment you :)
[01:41] <Choubaka> Well, my name is Jarkko :p
[01:41] <Hussam> Does Kubuntu come with turned-on firewall or do I have set up something?
[01:41] <BrianB04> Morning all
[01:41] <Choubaka> Hussam: try firestarter
[01:42] <Hussam> Choubaka: have you tried it? is it good?
[01:42] <Choubaka> No, but I hear it's easy to configure with a GUI and all .)
[01:42] <Hussam> so by default I'm not protected?
[01:43] <Choubaka> besides, all firewall scripts do basically the same thing.
[01:43] <Hussam> unless I install something?
[01:43] <Choubaka> Hussam: I don't really know
[01:43] <Riddell> Hussam: you don't need a firewall since there is nothing open by default to firewall
[01:44] <Riddell> Hussam: you can use guarddog if you still feel the need
[01:44] <Hussam> I'll ask in #ubuntu ,  if it's not, I'll install firestarter
[01:45] <Hussam> Riddell: the thing is that I'm on a lan network with the same people in my building. an I don't want them to be able to ping me.
[01:45] <floe> Riddell: Okay, in kde-devel they told me, i can set [super-user-command] super-user-command=su in kdesurc.
[01:46] <Riddell> floe: I did indeed say that
[01:46] <floe> Ridde: RIGHT :P
[01:46] <floe> Riddel: Was too fast...
[01:46] <Riddell> Hussam: you wish to hide your computer?  well try guarddog
[01:47] <Hussam> Riddell: ok thanks
[01:47] <floe> Riddel: You get paid for that? :P. 
[01:48] <Riddell> mm hmm
[01:49] <floe> Riddel: I really would like to become a seriuos kde devloper (I love the kde api)... instead I earn my money with Java/Swing/J2EE and really need a change.. but money too :( 
[01:51] <Riddell> qt is so much nicer than swing
[01:51] <floe> Riddel: And so much faster ;)
[01:53] <floe> Riddel: I just installed kubuntu on a powerbook g3 (wallstreet) from '98... and it's fun. I even got a 54Mbit atheros based wlan pccard working. But I'm scared to start a swing app ;).
[02:55] <bobesponja> check this open source skype out guyz http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=24251
[03:05] <muntyan> hi guys. do i need to run the script from /topic if Settings and Editors menus disappeared from K menu?
[03:24] <rodolfo> hi, kubuntu live freezes while loading "Enterprise Volume Management System". any idea why?
[03:30] <kkathman> g'morning all (at least here its morning)
[04:25] <BrianB04> Hey all
[04:28] <BrianB04> I'm having an issue with Kubuntu, and maybe someone can help. With Ubuntu, monitor power works fine, it will turn off monitor, etc, but for some reason, I can't get Kubuntu to do the same, even after tweaking the display power settings, any advice?
[04:38] <KaiL> hmm, ok
[04:38] <KaiL> morning everybody
[04:39] <mikl> KaiL: Well, I just got off from work ... :)
[04:40] <KaiL> that was a joke, it's 16:39 here
[04:40] <Tuni``> [16:39]  [KaiL TIME reply] : Tue May 17 16:39:08 ;)
[04:40] <KaiL> anybody here, who understands DRI? ;)
[04:41] <KaiL> from Xorg.0.log: (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled
[04:41] <KaiL> from glxinfo: direct rendering: No
[04:41] <KaiL> now why this? ;)
[04:44] <KaiL> ...not so many
[04:47] <Diablo-D3> very biased linux distribution chooser, almost always recommends gentoo: http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php
[04:48] <Diablo-D3> however
[04:48] <shogouki> it chosses kubuntu for me
[04:48] <Diablo-D3> yeah, it chose kubuntu for me too
[04:51] <KaiL> here too ;)
[04:52] <KaiL> Diablo-D3: do you understand that DRI problem?
[04:52] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: which one?
[04:52] <KaiL> from Xorg.0.log: (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled
[04:52] <KaiL> from glxinfo: direct rendering: No
[04:52] <berkes> oi. i am wondering if tehre are anymore peple here with trouble with kaudiocreator?
[04:52] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: what card?
[04:52] <KaiL> ATI 9250
[04:53] <Diablo-D3> hrm.... is that r200?
[04:53] <KaiL> same works in my K6-2, but there the CPU is a bit to slow for this ;)
[04:53] <KaiL> yes
[04:53] <berkes> It cannot access the device or so. so i am wondering if its my box, kubuntus setup or a kde bug
[04:53] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[04:53] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: dmesg | less
[04:54] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: at the bottom, what doess it say for loading the radeon kernel module?
[04:54] <KaiL> [4295544.616000]  [drm]  Loading R200 Microcode
[04:55] <KaiL> [4295717.747000]  agpgart: Found an AGP 3.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0.
[04:55] <KaiL> [4295717.747000]  agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode
[04:55] <Diablo-D3> okay, its not that
[04:55] <KaiL> ..whyever 4x..
[04:55] <Diablo-D3> ... whats wrong with 4x?
[04:56] <KaiL> nothing ;)
[04:56] <Diablo-D3> heh
[04:56] <Diablo-D3> put your Xorg.0.log whatever online
[04:56] <Diablo-D3> its in /var/log
[04:57] <KaiL> I know ;)
[04:57] <KaiL> http://pastebin.ca/11983
[04:59] <Diablo-D3> wtf?
[04:59] <Diablo-D3> (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled
[04:59] <KaiL> as I said...
[04:59] <Diablo-D3> yeah thats not making sense
[04:59] <Diablo-D3> do you have the glx xorg module in your xorg.conf?
[05:00] <KaiL>      yes
[05:00] <Diablo-D3> is this a dual head system?
[05:01] <KaiL> the card is, but only DVI used
[05:01] <Diablo-D3> well its setting up two rendering contexts
[05:02] <KaiL> and says enabled for both... hm
[05:03] <Diablo-D3> dunno
[05:04] <KaiL> it worked in the K6-2...
[05:04] <KaiL> using VGA there
[05:04] <vanRijn> re, all
[05:07] <vanRijn> is there any way to tell what versions of packages are available for unbuntu/kubuntu?  like... debian has a packages section to their site to see what versions are available, etc.
[05:12] <berkes> so, anyone insterested in finding and or fixing teh kaudiocreator permission bug?
[05:13] <KaiL> uhm, no changes
[05:14] <berkes> here, on my box, kaudiocrator only detects and opens teh CD when ran as root (sudo)
[05:14] <KaiL> only looks like....... VGA
[05:24] <teknoprep> i hear kubuntu is better for a desktop os then debain.. any opinions on that
[05:24] <Tm_T> well yeah, most of the cases
[05:30] <yurtesen> does anybody know any good pdf reader for kde?
[05:31] <meng> non-free, adobe reader 7
[05:31] <yurtesen> free?
[05:32] <astro76> xpdf, kpdf
[05:32] <meng> non free means that Richard Stallman would find it wrong
[05:32] <mikl> yurtesen: KPDF is brilliant
[05:32] <meng> for me adobe still looks more readable than xpdf
[05:33] <teknoprep> doesn't Konqueror open them by defualt with KPDF
[05:33] <teknoprep> in kde 3.4
[05:33] <teknoprep> is kubuntu pretty much debian under the hood.. can i use .debs
[06:07] <Tm_T> hi KaiL 
[06:07] <KaiL> hi..
[06:07] <Tm_T> how are you?
[06:08] <KaiL> bad
[06:08] <KaiL> direct rendering: No
[06:13] <teknoprep> is the fglrx module install in kubuntu by default
[06:13] <teknoprep> or do i have to get that to work also
[06:13] <KaiL> Tm_T: any idea, why this could fail, if Xorg.0.log sais, it works?
[06:14] <teknoprep> what is your Video Card
[06:14] <Tm_T> teknoprep: not it's not installed as default
[06:14] <KaiL> teknoprep: you need to install xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:14] <teknoprep> apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx is all
[06:14] <teknoprep> if thats it.. much better then debian
[06:15] <KaiL> and then set it in /etx/X11/xorg.conf as the driver
[06:15] <teknoprep> kubuntu uses apt-get correct?
[06:15] <teknoprep> yeah i know all about the xorg.conf
[06:15] <Tm_T> KaiL: hmm, give your xorg.conf and so on
[06:15] <teknoprep> its just the driver i had fun with on debian
[06:15] <teknoprep> Tm_T what is your vid card
[06:15] <Tm_T> teknoprep: yes, apt-get
[06:15] <KaiL> Tm_T: here comes Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.ca/11983
[06:15] <Tm_T> teknoprep: ?
[06:15] <teknoprep> just finished download now of Kubuntu and now i am going to install
[06:16] <teknoprep> Tm_T do a dmesg | grep <your driver>
[06:16] <teknoprep> see if your driver is failing to load
[06:16] <teknoprep> s/driver/modules
[06:16] <KaiL> http://pastebin.ca/11989 and the conf
[06:16] <KaiL> teknoprep: tell me, if you have more success that me - fighting with a 9250 here
[06:16] <teknoprep> bleh radeon driver
[06:17] <Tm_T> teknoprep: eh, my works fine thank you =)
[06:17] <teknoprep> you may need the fglrx driver for it to work right
[06:17] <KaiL> teknoprep: fglrx module get's totally ignored by X
[06:17] <teknoprep> what do you mean
[06:17] <KaiL> and as it worked with this one on my K6-2...:)
[06:17] <teknoprep> it never loads it
[06:18] <teknoprep> yeah i get my ati mobility 9600 pro to work fine in gentoo using the 2.6.8 kernel and higher
[06:18] <KaiL> neigher get's autoloaded, nor get's used (use count)
[06:18] <teknoprep> you need to turn direct rendering off in the kernel.. and have M set for /dev/agpart and an M on the ati crap
[06:18] <teknoprep> thats it
[06:19] <KaiL> well, then it won't work for anybody on ubuntu
[06:19] <teknoprep> why
[06:19] <KaiL> because agpgart is a module that get's loaded by hotplug while booting :)
[06:19] <teknoprep> yeah
[06:19] <teknoprep> thats fine
[06:19] <teknoprep> fglrx is a M also
[06:19] <teknoprep> as long as its a module and is not * in the kernel you fine
[06:20] <KaiL> you mean, the dri-module (no matter, if fglrx or radeon) needs to be loaded after the agpgart? :)
[06:20] <teknoprep> no
[06:20] <teknoprep> load it this way
[06:20] <teknoprep> hold ihave to look it up
[06:20] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: you forgot one thing
[06:20] <KaiL> Diablo-D3: what?
[06:20] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: its already setup right
[06:20] <Diablo-D3> and xorg will modprobe the right modules if needed anyhow
[06:21] <Diablo-D3> so any talk of needing to load shit, or load shit in the right order, is bunk
[06:21] <KaiL> right ;)
[06:22] <KaiL> Diablo-D3: so, what did I forget now..? :)
[06:22] <Diablo-D3> no clue
[06:22] <Diablo-D3> you fubared something
[06:23] <KaiL> I've copied all relevant config parts from the K6-2, where it worked...
[06:23] <teknoprep> i think you load... agpgart ; your agp module ; fglrx
[06:23] <KaiL> teknoprep: ok then
[06:23] <teknoprep> like i do something like agpgar ; sisagp ; fglrx
[06:23] <teknoprep> or whatever sisagp module is.. i fogret
[06:23] <KaiL> same as for radeon or mga (Matrox G-Series)
[06:24] <teknoprep> radeon driver blows
[06:24] <Ghetek> my audio isnt working, i have an sb live card
[06:24] <KaiL> teknoprep: it only works for R200 (=9250 and below)
[06:24] <Diablo-D3> thats why *gasp!* its called the r200 driver
[06:24] <KaiL> ;)
[06:25] <Diablo-D3> theres an r100 one too
[06:25] <Diablo-D3> oh, and that uberalpha r300
[06:25] <KaiL> no
[06:25] <KaiL> 2 alpha r300 drivers :)
[06:25] <KaiL> fglrx and the r300.sf.net
[06:26] <Diablo-D3> er, no
[06:26] <Diablo-D3> fglrx actually works
[06:26] <Diablo-D3> well, comparitvely atleast
[06:26] <KaiL> *g*
[06:26] <Diablo-D3> it stll sucks ass, but it does so uniformly across all cards
[06:26] <Diablo-D3> and r300.sf.net iirc is outdated
[06:27] <Diablo-D3> everything is done out of dri cvs now
[06:28] <KaiL> copying whole /etc/X11 from the K6-2 :)
[06:28] <Diablo-D3> dont
[06:28] <Diablo-D3> just the xorg.conf
[06:28] <teknoprep> why is it no one puts the isl3890 firmware in the hotplug dir for any distro
[06:28] <teknoprep> for wireless cards
[06:29] <KaiL> I think, there's some remaining shit from debian/sarge
[06:29] <Diablo-D3> because its closed source?
[06:29] <teknoprep> by default
[06:29] <Diablo-D3> or rather, no distribution rights
[06:29] <KaiL> teknoprep: linux-restricted-modules..?
[06:32] <teknoprep> they have really made debian a fast install
[06:33] <teknoprep> i remember back in the day how it was a lengthy procedure
[06:34] <meng> Gentoo
[06:34] <teknoprep> mmm
[06:34] <teknoprep> gentoo is nice
[06:34] <teknoprep> if i don't like kubuntu i am going back to gentoo
[06:35] <teknoprep> only reason i wouldn't like it is if i have problems getting fglrx driver not to work
[06:35] <teknoprep> s/not//
[06:35] <Liz4rd> dam perl
[06:35] <teknoprep> lol
[06:35] <Liz4rd> :D
[06:36] <teknoprep> heh
[06:36] <Liz4rd> yeah staring at a sign that says no chat rooms! in bold
[06:36] <Liz4rd> but then agian
[06:36] <Liz4rd> this isnt a chat room
[06:36] <Liz4rd> ;)
[06:36] <teknoprep> you mean the network admins don't know how to block irc
[06:36] <teknoprep> idiots
[06:37] <teknoprep> and msn
[06:37] <teknoprep> aol... and all that crap
[06:37] <Liz4rd> no i was scanning the shcool server for vuls and OMG my computer admin knows ...shit all
[06:37] <teknoprep> lol
[06:37] <Diablo-D3> Liz4rd: so what?
[06:37] <Diablo-D3> if he even says anything, hes a very poor admin
[06:38] <teknoprep> hack a computer on your school network
[06:38] <Liz4rd> yeah i told him about it and he was like....oh?
[06:38] <teknoprep> and use it as your proxy
[06:38] <teknoprep> for everything
[06:38] <meng> must be  a windows only admin
[06:38] <Liz4rd> nah at lunch i'm setting up a webserver :D using one python fiel
[06:38] <Liz4rd> file
[06:38] <Liz4rd> he is
[06:38] <Liz4rd> and he wants me to install a distro on one of them :D
[06:39] <Liz4rd> has anyone gotten GmailFS to work?
[06:40] <teknoprep> hey
[06:40] <teknoprep> kubuntu never asked me for a root pw
[06:41] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: because there isnt one
[06:41] <teknoprep> wtf
[06:41] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: use sudo like normal people
[06:41] <teknoprep> no on setup
[06:41] <meng> just like XP
[06:41] <teknoprep> it never had me setup a root pw
[06:41] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: you dont use the root pw for sudo >_<
[06:41] <meng> tendancies to presss enter through install
[06:42] <teknoprep> bleh
[06:42] <teknoprep> i need root
[06:42] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: no, you need sudo.
[06:42] <teknoprep> i know wtf sudo is
[06:42] <teknoprep> i want my root
[06:42] <Diablo-D3> quit being retarded.
[06:42] <Diablo-D3> I was using sudo before it was even popular. You know why? Because its a good idea.
[06:43] <Diablo-D3> if you want a root prompt so bad, sudo bash.
[06:43] <teknoprep> yeah thats a good idea
[06:43] <teknoprep> lol never thought of that
[06:43] <KaiL> that also didn't help
[06:45] <teknoprep> is there a way so su - in kunbuntu
[06:45] <teknoprep> like why wasn't i prompted for a pw
[06:45] <Diablo-D3> I forget what su - does
[06:45] <teknoprep> switch user to root
[06:45] <teknoprep> foo
[06:45] <teknoprep> you know what it does
[06:45] <Diablo-D3> and keep current environment?
[06:45] <teknoprep> eh?
[06:45] <Diablo-D3> dude, I havent used su for like 5 years
[06:45] <teknoprep> no thats what sudu is for
[06:45] <teknoprep> log in as a user
[06:46] <teknoprep> su -
[06:46] <teknoprep> do your root crap
[06:46] <teknoprep> exit
[06:46] <Diablo-D3> thats sudo bash, then.
[06:46] <teknoprep> yes
[06:47] <Diablo-D3> so whats your problem?
[06:47] <teknoprep> whats my root pw by default
[06:47] <teknoprep> i never had a chance to change it
[06:47] <Diablo-D3> _there isnt one_
[06:47] <teknoprep> oh
[06:47] <Diablo-D3> you cannot login as root.
[06:48] <Diablo-D3> at all.
[06:48] <Diablo-D3> you can only sudo to it.
[06:48] <teknoprep> is this a kubuntu thing
[06:48] <Diablo-D3> its an ubuntu thing
[06:48] <Diablo-D3> and Ive been doing that for years
[06:48] <teknoprep> hmm
[06:48] <teknoprep> so any user on the box has root access
[06:48] <Diablo-D3> it allows me to a) disable the root account, b) turn root into an access list
[06:48] <KaiL> no
[06:48] <Diablo-D3> no, only users in the sudoers list can sudo
[06:48] <teknoprep> do i take them out of the wheel group and they have no toor access
[06:49] <Diablo-D3> which is currently just you
[06:49] <KaiL> means on ubuntu: group admin
[06:49] <teknoprep> sudoers?
[06:49] <Diablo-D3> /etc/sudoers
[06:49] <teknoprep> ty
[06:49] <Diablo-D3> and read the damn comments, its deadly serious about them
[06:51] <teknoprep> wtf
[06:51] <teknoprep> sudo is asking me for a pw
[06:51] <Diablo-D3> lets play a game. How many passwords have you given ubuntu?
[06:51] <teknoprep> 1
[06:51] <Diablo-D3> hint, the answer is 1.
[06:52] <teknoprep> lol
[06:52] <teknoprep> isl3890 is included with kunbuntu
[06:53] <teknoprep> this is really nice 
[06:53] <teknoprep> i am liking this alot
[06:54] <Diablo-D3> what, sudo?
[06:54] <teknoprep> no all of it
[06:54] <teknoprep> the look
[06:54] <teknoprep> sudo
[06:54] <teknoprep> kubuntu in general
[06:54] <teknoprep> the easy setup
[06:54] <teknoprep> its nice system
[06:54] <Diablo-D3> yeah, kubuntu gives me a boner
[06:55] <Diablo-D3> wait, did I say that out loud?
[06:55] <teknoprep> lol
[06:55] <teknoprep> no you typed it out load
[07:00] <teknoprep> how do i change to windows type setup and not kde for double click and all that
[07:00] <teknoprep> kde-config is not running
[07:01] <meng> play around with control center?
[07:01] <teknoprep> i hate that single click stuff
[07:01] <teknoprep> i was never able to find that option for double clicking or single clicking
[07:01] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: fuck around with window settings in kcontrol
[07:02] <Diablo-D3> er, hrm
[07:03] <teknoprep> yeah i am there
[07:03] <Tm_T> flip flap
[07:03] <Diablo-D3> preipherals->mouse?
[07:03] <Diablo-D3> where it says double or single click on icons
[07:03] <teknoprep> w0ot
[07:03] <teknoprep> found it w0ot
[07:03] <teknoprep> yeah
[07:06] <teknoprep> wow
[07:06] <teknoprep> standby works
[07:06] <teknoprep> suspend does not
[07:07] <Diablo-D3> suspend of what?
[07:07] <teknoprep> acpi
[07:07] <teknoprep> when i close my lid on my laptop
[07:07] <teknoprep> been trying to get that to work good for awhile
[07:07] <Diablo-D3> might not work on your laptop
[07:08] <teknoprep> but owrks without setup on kubnuntu
[07:08] <Diablo-D3> there are quite a few laptops that dont have suspend done right
[07:08] <teknoprep> i'll try hibernate
[07:08] <teknoprep> bleh
[07:08] <Diablo-D3> hibernate will work
[07:08] <teknoprep> fucking fglrx driver fucked up my system
[07:08] <teknoprep> lol
[07:08] <teknoprep> white screen
[07:08] <Diablo-D3> only because it doesnt require support
[07:08] <teknoprep> yo
[07:08] <Diablo-D3> it saves the computer state, and shuts the box off
[07:09] <Diablo-D3> and yes, fglrx sucks
[07:09] <Diablo-D3> its a horrid horrid horrid driver
[07:09] <teknoprep> how do i get to console without going to X
[07:09] <teknoprep> ?
[07:09] <teknoprep> recovery mode in grub
[07:09] <Diablo-D3> press control-alt-delete
[07:09] <Diablo-D3> er
[07:10] <Diablo-D3> press control-alt-backspace
[07:10] <Diablo-D3> that kills X
[07:10] <teknoprep> lol
[07:10] <allee> Diablo-D3: hibernate is not 'the' solution ;)  Fails on Dell X300 :(
[07:10] <teknoprep> yeah it freezes my system the fglrx driver if improperly configured
[07:10] <Diablo-D3> allee: well, yeah, some hardware is totally fucked on it
[07:10] <allee> Diablo-D3: agreed ;)
[07:10] <Diablo-D3> allee: so you have to kill X first... which totally defeats hibernate
[07:10] <teknoprep> no
[07:11] <teknoprep> i have to be able to not boot x on boot up
[07:11] <teknoprep> now
[07:11] <teknoprep> lol
[07:11] <teknoprep> or i will have to reinstall
[07:11] <teknoprep> nvm recovery mode got me to X
[07:11] <teknoprep> i mean console
[07:11] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: I think safe mode will do it
[07:11] <teknoprep> yup
[07:12] <teknoprep> bleh
[07:12] <teknoprep> where does dmesg get permanenntly logged to
[07:12] <Diablo-D3> /var/log/dmesg
[07:12] <teknoprep> /var/log/dmesg is only this boot up's dmesg log
[07:12] <teknoprep> last boot up isnt' there
[07:13] <Diablo-D3> you didnt say last boot
[07:13] <Diablo-D3> you just said logged
[07:13] <teknoprep> i said permanently
[07:13] <teknoprep> liek in all dmesg logs
[07:13] <Diablo-D3> there isnt one
[07:13] <Diablo-D3> use a serial console if you want that
[07:13] <teknoprep> wow
[07:18] <teknoprep> fucking shit... i can't remember what i did to fix the white crap on the fglrx driver
[07:20] <teknoprep> how do i compile a kernel in kunbunrtu
[07:20] <teknoprep> where to i get the kernel source at
[07:20] <Diablo-D3> you should try
[07:20] <Diablo-D3> its not easy to do
[07:21] <Diablo-D3> but compiling a new kernel isnt the answer
[07:21] <teknoprep> i need to disable direct rendering
[07:21] <teknoprep> in the kernel
[07:21] <Diablo-D3> which wont help
[07:21] <teknoprep> why not
[07:21] <teknoprep> wtf
[07:21] <Diablo-D3> that will just disable fglrx
[07:22] <teknoprep> no it won't
[07:22] <teknoprep> you can't have direct rendering enabled with fglrx
[07:22] <Diablo-D3> thats obviously not true
[07:22] <teknoprep> i have gotten this to work on gentoo and debian
[07:22] <teknoprep> no
[07:22] <teknoprep> go read this
[07:22] <Diablo-D3> becaue fglrx is packages in kubuntu already.
[07:22] <teknoprep> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[07:23] <teknoprep> section 2.1.1
[07:23] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: you misread
[07:23] <Diablo-D3> it says dont enable the individual modules
[07:24] <Diablo-D3> which doesnt matter, ubuntu is correctly setup to use fglrx when available over dri modules
[07:24] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: and you probably already realize, you shouldnt use the debs on that website
[07:25] <Diablo-D3> apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686 (or whatever your kernel is) instead
[07:26] <teknoprep> yeah not for this
[07:26] <teknoprep> i already install xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:26] <teknoprep> but not the restriced modules
[07:26] <Diablo-D3> well, you need to install the restricted modules
[07:27] <Diablo-D3> otherwise you're missing half of fglrx
[07:27] <teknoprep> -386
[07:27] <teknoprep> i am useing
[07:27] <teknoprep> and it already installed
[07:28] <Diablo-D3> then grab the right one
[07:28] <Diablo-D3> then everything is fine
[07:28] <teknoprep> i have the right one
[07:28] <teknoprep> although how would i upgrade to a -686 kernel
[07:28] <Diablo-D3> apt-get isntall linux-686
[07:28] <Isabelle> Hi, the kubuntu faq says there is no default root password. in that case, how do I "su root" to creater a dir?
[07:28] <Diablo-D3> Isabelle: sudo bash
[07:28] <Diablo-D3> Isabelle: infact, learn to use sudo
[07:29] <Isabelle> And sudo is? :P
[07:29] <Diablo-D3> Isabelle: a command. that does stuff.
[07:29] <teknoprep> sudo apt-get install linux-686
[07:29] <Diablo-D3> Isabelle: learn to use man as well
[07:29] <teknoprep> i know all this
[07:29] <teknoprep> i know man foo
[07:29] <teknoprep> i did apt-cache search kernel
[07:29] <teknoprep> didn't find much
[07:29] <teknoprep> well found too much
[07:29] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: linux-686 grabs the newest 686 kernel
[07:29] <teknoprep> already doing it
[07:30] <Isabelle> Isn't that like saying "You wanna go to town? learn to drive!"
[07:30] <Diablo-D3> Isabelle: man man
[07:30] <teknoprep> lol
[07:30] <Isabelle> merry christmas, Diablo-D3
[07:32] <teknoprep> oh wait
[07:33] <teknoprep> its that stupid useinternalagp option in xorg
[07:33] <teknoprep> w0ot
[07:33] <teknoprep> this rocks
[07:33] <teknoprep> i have to put it to the oposite of what it is by defualt
[07:35] <teknoprep> how do i get the fglrxconfig program
[07:37] <teknoprep> it should come with the fglrx install
[07:37] <teknoprep> found it
[07:40] <kkathman> greetings all :)
[07:47] <teknoprep> gentoo works flawlessly with the fglrx drivers
[07:47] <teknoprep> no bugs whatsoever
[07:47] <teknoprep> wtf is up with every other distro
[07:53] <Tezkah> I'll find out, but first I need to go compile some stuff
[07:53] <Tezkah> be back... around 2007
[07:55] <Tm_T> thoh, I have no trouble with displaydrivers
[07:57] <teknoprep> blah
[07:57] <Tezkah> Extracting  family.guy.403.pdtv-lol.avi                               Failed
[07:57] <Tezkah> hmm, stupid multipart archives
[07:57] <teknoprep> um
[07:58] <teknoprep> .avi is being extracted?
[07:58] <teknoprep> its a divx file no
[07:58] <Tezkah> yeah, torrent which came from usenet
[07:58] <Tezkah> so its a multipart rar file
[07:58] <Tezkah> with .r00 .r01...
[07:58] <Tezkah> and a .rar
[07:58] <Tezkah> both unrar and Ark fail on it
[08:02] <teknoprep> hey Diablo
[08:02] <teknoprep> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ATI_Drivers
[08:05] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: you do realize I stopped caring?
[08:05] <Diablo-D3> either take my advice, or dont.
[08:05] <Diablo-D3> Eventually you'll learn that Im right.
[08:13] <teknoprep> yeah ok
[08:13] <teknoprep> and who got these to work and who didn't
[08:21] <chris> how can I change my login manager from the kde one to gdm?
[08:21] <teknoprep> whats the mouse in ubuntu under /dev
[08:21] <teknoprep> its not listed as /dev/mouse
[08:21] <Diablo-D3> chris: dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[08:22] <chris> thanks man
[08:22] <teknoprep> ko
[08:22] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: /dev/input/mice
[08:22] <teknoprep> ahh
[08:24] <teknoprep> gtfo
[08:25] <teknoprep> <--- the man
[08:27] <teknoprep> got fglrx working on a mobility 9600 if anyone needs any help with that i can post some of my configs
[08:27] <teknoprep> and what i did
[08:28] <teknoprep> 5000 fps on glx gears
[08:28] <Diablo-D3> is that all?
[08:28] <teknoprep> 22,000 fps if you make it as small as it gets
[08:28] <teknoprep> lol
[08:28] <teknoprep> thats great for that shit glxgears proggy
[08:29] <teknoprep> wtf
[08:29] <teknoprep> no write access to ~/.ICEauthority
[08:29] <teknoprep> kde can not start
[08:29] <teknoprep> bleh
[08:29] <teknoprep> i should have ownership of everything under /home/chris
[08:30] <Diablo-D3> rm .ICEauthority than control-alt-backspace
[08:30] <teknoprep> could i just sudo chown -R chris /home/chris
[08:31] <chris> what shall I do to fix it man
[08:31] <chris> you are scaring me
[08:31] <Diablo-D3> chris: ?
[08:31] <teknoprep> thats me
[08:31] <chris> yes
[08:31] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep == chris?
[08:31] <teknoprep> yeah that fixed it
[08:31] <teknoprep> yes
[08:31] <Diablo-D3> you're talking to yourself?
[08:32] <chris> u called chris too?
[08:32] <teknoprep> yup
[08:32] <chris> phew
[08:32] <teknoprep> lol
[08:32] <teknoprep> yes i am
[08:32] <teknoprep> so what
[08:32] <chris> sorry man thought u had access to my machine
[08:33] <teknoprep> lol
[08:33] <chris> as thats also my u/n 
[08:33] <teknoprep> yeah i am chown'in shit
[08:33] <chris> just me and my paranoia
[08:33] <teknoprep> lol
[08:33] <teknoprep> you bi-polar
[08:33] <teknoprep> i am saving my config
[08:33] <teknoprep> this is sick
[08:33] <teknoprep> got this usb drive i use for all that crap
[08:33] <teknoprep> its 1gB
[08:34] <teknoprep> and i am running out of space
[08:34] <chris> nice
[08:34] <teknoprep> thats just too much important crap for linux
[08:34] <chris> I have a 16mb one
[08:34] <chris> 5 from bowlers in manchester
[08:34] <teknoprep> its pretty much everything i have ever needed to change or do myself
[08:34] <chris> what do u backup?
[08:34] <teknoprep> saved to a usb drive so i don't forget
[08:34] <teknoprep> everything you can think of
[08:35] <chris> hehe I have mail / mp3 / progs
[08:35] <chris> u must have a lot of stuff
[08:35] <teknoprep> nah nothing like that for me
[08:35] <teknoprep> i just have naked pics of my gf.
[08:35] <teknoprep> and lots of linux shit
[08:35] <teknoprep> lol
[08:35] <chris> I have some semiclad ones
[08:36] <teknoprep> keep getting this shit .ICEauthority problem
[08:36] <teknoprep> where it can't write to it
[08:36] <chris> just getting ubuntu to replace my xp box god it is pissing me off
[08:36] <chris> whats the error message?
[08:36] <teknoprep> can't write to it
[08:36] <teknoprep> no permissions
[08:36] <teknoprep> lol
[08:37] <teknoprep> its in ~/.ICEauthority
[08:37] <teknoprep> i should have permissions to everything in my damn home dir
[08:37] <chris> and how is the usb drive mounted - auto?
[08:37] <teknoprep> lol
[08:37] <teknoprep> it was write-protected
[08:37] <teknoprep> and empty
[08:38] <chris> it should be drwx------
[08:38] <teknoprep> 7 00
[08:38] <teknoprep> 700 then
[08:38] <chris> aha
[08:38] <teknoprep> i don't think i was owner
[08:38] <teknoprep> i think root took ownership when i was doign shit with x in recovery mode
[08:38] <teknoprep> becuase of that shit idea of sudo bash and trying to fix shit
[08:38] <chris> hmmm
[08:38] <teknoprep> just doesn't work the same way as su -
[08:39] <teknoprep> so i will have to learn more shit
[08:39] <chris> unix = learning everything
[08:39] <teknoprep> i don't think sudo bash is the same as su -
[08:39] <teknoprep> yeah i know chris
[08:40] <chris> have u enable a root account yet?
[08:40] <teknoprep> lol i have redundant firewall's here at work that actively block hack attempt, port scans using snort rules turned into a Firewall rule
[08:40] <teknoprep> i do do alot of shit
[08:40] <teknoprep> thats just something i completed recently
[08:40] <teknoprep> no do i have to enable the root account
[08:40] <teknoprep> i am liking not having one
[08:40] <chris> sorry man I did not mean to patronise you , I've just finshed a 3 year computing degree
[08:41] <teknoprep> its k00
[08:41] <teknoprep> for what
[08:41] <teknoprep> programming networking what
[08:41] <teknoprep> IT
[08:41] <gdh> I'm trying to push sudo at work now since Kub introduced me to it by force :)
[08:41] <teknoprep> lol
[08:41] <teknoprep> chris what you goto school for
[08:41] <gdh> I like the idea of logging everything that the peons type as root - but nothing stops them doing 'sudo bash' to bypass that
[08:41] <chris> hehe it is slightly different
[08:41] <gdh> a pity
[08:42] <chris> education and a piece of paper
[08:42] <teknoprep> wtf
[08:42] <teknoprep> what did you learn mang
[08:42] <teknoprep> nothing
[08:42] <teknoprep> sounds like it
[08:42] <chris> no way  everything but
[08:42] <teknoprep> i am just wonder man
[08:42] <teknoprep> you learn cisco 
[08:42] <teknoprep> cisco can make you money
[08:42] <chris> unfortunaly not
[08:42] <teknoprep> aww
[08:42] <chris> I will get ccna
[08:42] <teknoprep> linux and cisco combined is great
[08:43] <teknoprep> i had my CCIE last year
[08:43] <teknoprep> never renewed it
[08:43] <teknoprep> still have CCNA CCNP
[08:43] <chris> whats it like?
[08:43] <teknoprep> a motha fucka
[08:43] <teknoprep> lol
[08:43] <chris> is it expensive to get?
[08:43] <teknoprep> i passed barely
[08:43] <teknoprep> no my work paid
[08:43] <teknoprep> its just really really hard
[08:43] <teknoprep> they way the word the questsions
[08:43] <gdh> Is that one of the atrocious things that you have to renew every couple of years?
[08:43] <teknoprep> especially when you get into combining routing protocols
[08:44] <teknoprep> like eirgp ospf and irgp
[08:44] <gdh> I know just enough OSPF and BGP to be dangerous :)
[08:44] <chris> wooo sounds nasty - looking foward to it
[08:44] <teknoprep> with vlan's and vlan route capable switches
[08:44] <gdh> enough to make it work, but that's about it =)
[08:44] <chris> what do you use it for?
[08:44] <teknoprep> PIX is fun
[08:44] <teknoprep> what do i use what for
[08:44] <teknoprep> eirgp
[08:44] <teknoprep> its a routing bubble
[08:44] <teknoprep> irgp is the old version of eirgp
[08:44] <chris> I mean what application
[08:45] <teknoprep> and ospf is like eirgp but its an internet standard
[08:45] <teknoprep> ospf can not route appletalk liek eirgp can but eirgp is a cisco propriatray bullshit
[08:45] <teknoprep> umm
[08:45] <chris> what about IOS?
[08:45] <teknoprep> usually for a speedy network
[08:45] <teknoprep> IOS is the console configuration os
[08:45] <chris> yeah ISP , coparate net
[08:45] <chris> ?
[08:45] <teknoprep> you have CAT OS also
[08:45] <teknoprep> ios cat os and PIX
[08:46] <chris> what the hell is that
[08:46] <teknoprep> they comming out with somthing new
[08:46] <chris> PIX?
[08:46] <teknoprep> its the cisco firewall
[08:46] <teknoprep> PIX very similar to IOS structure
[08:46] <chris> what about other vendors
[08:46] <teknoprep> but tons of firewalling commands in the PIX becuase IOS is obviously not broad enough to handle firewall'ing.. so they added shit
[08:46] <teknoprep> Juniper rocks
[08:47] <teknoprep> wow juniper is fucking awesome
[08:47] <teknoprep> dell is great for small business
[08:47] <teknoprep> with vlan capability
[08:47] <teknoprep> but you can't do VTP domains and vlan trunking... vlan pruning
[08:47] <gdh> I was cursing our PowerConnects today
[08:47] <teknoprep> lol
[08:47] <gdh> I am *adamant* I saved the running-config
[08:47] <teknoprep> bleh
[08:47] <gdh> powercut .... VLAN config lost...
[08:47] <teknoprep> hahaha
[08:48] <chris> bugger
[08:48] <teknoprep> you need to use that TFTP option
[08:48] <teknoprep> to always have a backup
[08:48] <chris> at uni a power surge downed one of our servers hard drives
[08:48] <gdh> 'Gavin, the internet isn't working!'
[08:48] <chris> it suxs
[08:48] <teknoprep> lol
[08:48] <teknoprep> go gavin
[08:48] <teknoprep> here is a simple diagram of my network
[08:48] <teknoprep> its changed a bit
[08:48] <teknoprep> www.readingeagle.com/crawlings/network.htm
[08:48] <DeadcAlm> sorry to interrupt, but can i ask a quick question
[08:49] <teknoprep> there are alot more servers
[08:49] <gdh> Pretty icons :)
[08:49] <gdh> Not exactly 'Dia' is it?
[08:49] <teknoprep> the 4003 connect to a 6509 with a firweall service module or PIX
[08:49] <teknoprep> thats where the network get messy
[08:49] <teknoprep> that is just the internet side
[08:49] <gdh> We have a little OSPF triangle on 3 sites for redundancy
[08:49] <teknoprep> i never dared to viso the other network yet
[08:49] <gdh> but it's all much simpled than that
[08:50] <chris> nice bit of visio work
[08:50] <teknoprep> i used eirgp upstairs
[08:50] <teknoprep> on the 6509 back
[08:50] <DeadcAlm> is it, in fact, possible to run kynaptic thru a proxy?
[08:50] <gdh> All Quagga =)
[08:50] <teknoprep> since eirgp won't pass through the PIX firewall.. everything on the inet side of the 4003 is static routes
[08:50] <teknoprep> since there are only 4 subnets
[08:51] <teknoprep> upsatirs we use 172.16.0.0/12 broken down into 70 /24 networks
[08:54] <DeadcAlm> is it, in fact, possible to run kynaptic thru a proxy?
[08:55] <mae> yes
[08:55] <mae> you have to do some manual configuration to sources.list
[08:55] <DeadcAlm> ok, do you know where i might find some doco on that
[08:56] <DeadcAlm> the changes that need to be made, not the changing itself :)
[08:57] <teknoprep> transparent proxy is the way to go
[09:00] <teknoprep> i am very happy with this shit
[09:00] <teknoprep> hell yeah
[09:03] <gdh> teknoprep: Er, how many floors are in your skyscraper toneed 70 /24 nets?
[09:08] <teknoprep> kubuntu rocks all
[09:08] <teknoprep> 4
[09:09] <teknoprep> buts its a huge building
[09:09] <teknoprep> like 30,000 sq ft of 4 floors
[09:09] <teknoprep> we work at a newspaper
[09:09] <teknoprep> tons or reporters and servers and just so much shit
[09:09] <teknoprep> ip networked printer zones
[09:09] <teknoprep> mac servers
[09:09] <teknoprep> mac vlans
[09:09] <teknoprep> sercurity vlans
[09:09] <teknoprep> we have 20 racks of 1u servers
[09:10] <teknoprep> and lots of EMC servers in 2u servers
[09:10] <teknoprep> we have 70TB of storage for the online edition of the activearchive
[09:10] <teknoprep> www.readingeaglearchives.com
[09:10] <teknoprep> we do web hosting
[09:10] <teknoprep> on an ISP level with e-commerce solutions
[09:11] <teknoprep> and we are extremely understaffed
[09:11] <teknoprep> we have a active-active quad xeon exchange server with 1TB EMC DAS fibre array ... thats just for internal mail
[09:12] <teknoprep> i made an active-active imail server with 4 servers on a MS cluster using a Clustered MS SQL backend server for hosted clients email
[09:12] <vanRijn> re, all
[09:13] <vanRijn> kwifimanager doesn't work for me when I'm trying to use encryption.  can anybody get this to work?
[09:13] <teknoprep> nah i have trouble too
[09:13] <teknoprep> maby read the help file
[09:13] <teknoprep> i will be doing that when i get home
[09:14] <vanRijn> so, what are you using to get encrypted wireless working?
[09:14] <teknoprep> iwconfig eth1 key <my key file>
[09:14] <gdh> twiddling with iwconfig, or just running unencrypted :)
[09:14] <vanRijn> heh
[09:14] <teknoprep> iwconfig eth1 key <my key >
[09:14] <teknoprep> you need to apt-get install wireless-tools
[09:14] <gdh> It's much more fun to run unencrypted and then run openvpn on top
[09:14] <vanRijn> yeah, I was hoping for something more elegant
[09:14] <gdh> make the lamers think they've got an open AP :))
[09:15] <vanRijn> heh
[09:15] <teknoprep> vanRijn kdewireless crap may be iwconfig reliant
[09:15] <teknoprep> so go get it
[09:15] <vanRijn> I already have it
[09:15] <vanRijn> iwconfig works fine--I just want to use the tool that's supposed to work.  in this case, it seems that that tool should be kwifimanager.  is there any other tool kubuntu/ubuntu has for configure wireless network stuff?
[09:16] <teknoprep> read the help file
[09:16] <teknoprep> have you?
[09:16] <vanRijn> yes
[09:17] <teknoprep> you know wep isn't secure at all right
[09:17] <teknoprep> you should use a MAC addy list
[09:17] <teknoprep> and thats it
[09:17] <teknoprep> also all wireless should be on a seperate vlan
[09:18] <teknoprep> with a proxy authentication or pptp connection to access anything past the firewall'd vlan
[09:18] <vanRijn> yep
[09:18] <vanRijn> er
[09:18] <vanRijn> yes, yes, this is at my work, and they take care of all that crap
[09:18] <teknoprep> lol
[09:18] <teknoprep> then don't use WEP
[09:18] <vanRijn> er
[09:18] <vanRijn> no, I have to
[09:18] <teknoprep> just have them setup MAC address allow either in the firewall or the AP itself
[09:19] <teknoprep> WEP blows
[09:19] <teknoprep> takes me 1hour to crack it if you are using traffic
[09:19] <teknoprep> easy
[09:20] <gdh> And 128bit is no more secure than 64bit yeh, because the share the same 40bit root?
[09:21] <teknoprep> hmm
[09:21] <teknoprep> i can't upgrade amarok wtf
[09:22] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:22] <Tm_T> upgrade?
[09:22] <Tm_T> specify
[09:23] <gdh> you want to side-grade to hergest ridge anyway
[09:23] <gdh> </mike oldfield joke>
[09:26] <morten> Yo... anyone know any kde-program that works a bit like gaim ?
[09:26] <Tm_T> kopete
[09:26] <morten> exept kopete
[09:26] <Tm_T> but Gaim is far better
[09:26] <morten> :P
[09:26] <Tm_T> =)
[09:26] <morten> I agree... I would just try something else than Gaim
[09:26] <morten> ... and konqure
[09:27] <gdh> you might like to try Ubuntu :)
[09:27] <Tm_T> eh?
[09:27] <gdh> Losing Konq + Kopete would be 'Teh Suq' 
[09:27] <gdh> IMO, anyway
[09:28] <morten> I've been using ubuntu for some time now... just trying kubuntu now...
[09:28] <morten> "The Suq" ?
[09:28] <gdh> morten: Mm, yes... just 'not very good'
[09:28] <morten> hehe, thats the thing i hate right now.... especially konq... Crashes all the time
[09:30] <morten> well, I'll go play some Tabletennis... so AFK
[09:31] <Bizzeh> hey, why wont kubuntu let me "su -"
[09:31] <Bizzeh> ?
[09:32] <gdh> sudo -s
[09:33] <gdh> and supply /your/ password
[09:33] <gdh> there is no root password. It's for the best.
[09:33] <Tm_T> plah
[09:47] <teknoprep> WTF
[09:47] <teknoprep> keep getting shit errors when trying to upgrade amarok
[09:49] <ChinaCatJones> teknoprep: what errors?
[09:50] <teknoprep> hold
[09:51] <teknoprep> let me get on here with my linux bxo
[09:51] <ChinaCatJones> hsve you tried apt-get -f install
[09:51] <teknoprep> back
[09:52] <teknoprep> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[09:52] <teknoprep>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[09:52] <teknoprep> Errors were encountered while processing:/var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb          E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:52] <teknoprep> tryed to put it all on one line
[09:53] <ChinaCatJones> let me think a second here, I am kinda of new to linux, but fixed the same issue on my box yestereday
[09:53] <teknoprep> its kdelibs thats having a problem
[09:54] <teknoprep> what did you do to fix it
[09:54] <teknoprep> lol
[09:56] <ChinaCatJones> tekno, I'm trying to remember, but it was the computer equivalent of beating on it with a hammer
[09:57] <ChinaCatJones> as i recall i deleted the affected files and ran apt-get install again
[09:58] <ChinaCatJones> I think the  bigger issue is that ubuntu libc6 doesn't like a lot of the multimedia stuff
[09:59] <ChinaCatJones> right now i am trying to get a newer verison of libc6 installed for gstreamer and mplayer. i neded to get faad/faac running
[09:59] <ChinaCatJones> any ideas anyone?
[10:01] <zippykde> Hi - god I hope someone knows the answer to this (:- - Im using Ubuntu with the Kubuntu desktop installed... Ive just dragged a file from my desktop into a folder on the desktop - and everything has vanished :-( - all my desktop icons, my home folder, all the software I've installed - it appears like a brand new install :-(
[10:02] <zippykde> And I cant find anything using the find files/folders :-(
[10:02] <zippykde> Anyone know why this would happen.?
[10:02] <teknoprep> are you logged in as root or something
[10:02] <teknoprep> or another user
[10:02] <zippykde> No - same user - not as root
[10:02] <teknoprep> cd ~/desktop
[10:03] <zippykde> k let me try it :-)
[10:03] <teknoprep> cd ~/Desktop
[10:03] <teknoprep> with a capital D
[10:03] <zippykde> Nothing :-( no files there
[10:04] <zippykde> this is really wierd - all the updates are still intact - but my desktop and home directory are empty :-(
[10:04] <zippykde> And the screen resolution has gone whacky (y'know like Winblows in safe mode..?)
[10:05] <zippykde> Any other ideas..? (btw all my app settings have reset too - my firefox extensions have disappeared - GAIM now has no accounts - well xept this one which Ive just made)
[10:07] <zippykde> I'll nip to the Ubuntu room see if anyone knows whats going on lol... wish me luck
[10:17] <nmorse> Okay, the Ubuntu kernel says it doesn't even have reiserfs support
[10:18] <nmorse> So how am I supposed to tell if it has extended attributes enabled?
[10:18] <DeadcAlm> anyone know where i can find info on editing the sources.list file to allow kynaptic to function thru a proxy?
[10:18] <nmorse> I'm trying to install beagle
[10:23] <KaiL> Diablo-D3: still awake?
[10:24] <KaiL> ...and whoever also tried to help with the ATI 9250
[10:24] <Jormundgand> Where can I find some info on expert mode?
[10:24] <KaiL> info?
[10:25] <Jormundgand> Yeah, like how it differs from regular install and what it does.
[10:25] <KaiL> just for the notes: be shure xorg-driver-fglrx is NOT installed, if you want DRI with the radeon driver (R200)
[10:28] <Jormundgand> Incidentally it seems to me that the Kubuntu people need to rethink what's installed by default. OpenOffice? Please. KOffice is bound to be superior.
[10:29] <nmorse> KOffice wasn't superior last time I checked, as in yesterday
[10:29] <nmorse> Though it is very nice, and the KDE database programs are much nicer
[10:29] <Jormundgand> KOffice has to be superior, it's specifically designed for KDE. Much like I'd choose Kopete over Gaim anyday - for reasons of customisability as well as design.
[10:30] <Jormundgand> If I wanted to use Gaim I'd install Ubuntu.
[10:30] <nmorse> Kopete is insanely stupid, UI-wise, if you ask me
[10:31] <nmorse> Who seriously would think to click on the funny little icons at bottom to do everything?
[10:31] <nmorse> Particularly group chat in Jabber?
[10:31] <Jormundgand> I prefer it to Gaim. I can have the nice iChat style speech bubbles.
[10:31] <Diablo-D3> kaiL: Im not awake
[10:31] <Jormundgand> And I don't use Jabber, so that's irrelevant to me.
[10:31] <Diablo-D3> infact Im dead tired
[10:31] <nmorse> I'd settle for a good KDE client with a decent UI
[10:32] <Diablo-D3> eh
[10:32] <Diablo-D3> gaim...
[10:32] <nmorse> Who knows, maybe the Open Usability group will start working with kde-network
[10:32] <nmorse> It would be nice
[10:32] <Diablo-D3> gaim sucks horribly, but it still ends up being the better im client
[10:32] <nmorse> Gaim is better, at the moment at least
[10:32] <Diablo-D3> the open usability group isnt that good
[10:32] <Diablo-D3> they tend to cause shit like the horrid mess that is gnome
[10:32] <nmorse> I like what they did with KDE-PIM
[10:32] <Diablo-D3> with the cancels on the left and the okays on the right
[10:33] <Diablo-D3> they violate the first rule of UI making
[10:33] <nmorse> Yeah, GNOME's been a piece of crap it's entire life
[10:33] <Diablo-D3> 1) if you're going to fuck up, be consistant at it
[10:33] <Jormundgand> I shall reinstall using expert mode and report.
[10:33] <Diablo-D3> so even if kde fucks up, its insanely consistant at it
[10:33] <Diablo-D3> brb
[10:33] <nmorse> Like I've said before, I've used GNOME occasionally since its alpha software days
[10:36] <nmorse> hey kkathman
[10:38] <kkathman> hey
[10:38] <kkathman> wassup?
[10:38] <nmorse> I thought one of the points behind Grub was editing the config file didn't require running anything as root for the changes to take effect?
[10:38] <nmorse> But apparently update-grub must be run
[10:38] <nmorse> Why bother with anything but lilo?
[10:39] <kkathman> Hmm...internet just went down then back up :(
[10:40] <pussfeller> since when you have to update grum if you edit menulist
[10:40] <pussfeller> err grub
[10:40] <nmorse> that's what the grub howto on ubuntulinux.org says
[10:41] <pussfeller> thats odd
[10:41] <nmorse> I know
[10:41] <nmorse> Like I said, why bother with Grub then?
[10:42] <nmorse> Debian uses Lilo by default, could have saved a lot of trouble
[10:43] <nmorse> Grub can't change the running kernel either, like Lilo can in some situations
[10:45] <nmorse> at least as far as I know
[10:47] <mae> grub is better.
[10:48] <mae> nmorse: update-grub needs to be run only to update automagic kernels..
[10:48] <mae> i.e. the specified options to be applied to each kernel.. its a debian thing
[10:49] <nmorse> Okay, yeah, should have stuck with Lilo or run XFS
[10:49] <nmorse> Using XFS on Ubuntu gives Lilo by default
[10:49] <mae> ya, but who uses XFS
[10:50] <nmorse> I actually like it
[10:50] <mae> heh.
[10:50] <nmorse> It's pretty fast at what I do
[10:50] <mae> i prefer reiser or ext3
[10:50] <nmorse> I use reiser a lot, I don't really like ext3
[10:50] <nmorse> even though it'll function as an ext2 filesystem with fsck, et al.
[10:50] <mae> ext3 is old .. but thoroughly tested and very stable
[10:51] <kkathman> uhm what setting in the control center changes the icon text color?
[10:51] <nmorse> It should be under fonts, probably
[10:52] <kkathman> nope...you just choose the font type there
[10:52] <kkathman> no color
[10:52] <kkathman> and its not under color
[10:52] <nmorse> Hmm.
[10:53] <kkathman> argh...I know it must be here somewhere :)
[10:53] <nmorse> Probably in Konqueror
[10:54] <kkathman> well that changes it for Konq, but not on the desktop
[10:55] <nmorse> Hmm, may be in a config file, but not in a program
[10:55] <nmorse> That would be odd, though
[10:55] <kkathman> found it
[10:55] <nmorse> where?
[10:55] <kkathman> right click the desktop under fonts, not kcontrol :)
[10:55] <kkathman> lol
[10:55] <kkathman> kinda confusing
[10:56] <kkathman> I knew I had set them once, but forgot where :)
[10:57] <nmorse> Hmm. KDE should do something about that
[11:04] <mae> is there any alternative to kdevelop.. that is less scatterbrained
[11:06] <morten> hehe, back from Tabletennis :P
[11:10] <morten> What is it that you have to write inorder to enable the nvidia driver??
[11:10] <morten> sudo nvidia-glx-enable ?
[11:14] <Lare2> .
[11:14] <Lare2> Does any one have problems downloading kubuntu from their site ?
[11:14] <nmorse> anyone here know why beagle vanished from backports?
[11:22] <kkathman> hey Diablo-D3 wassup :)
[11:24] <Diablo-D3> hey
[11:30] <Somez> hi everyone!
[11:30] <nmorse> hello
[11:30] <nmorse> there's got to be some f'ing way to install beagle on Ubuntu
[11:36] <kkathman> hey there chavo :)
[11:37] <Tm_T> kk o/
[11:38] <kkathman> hey Tm_T o/
[11:38] <Tezkah> hi everyone o/
[11:38] <Tezkah> what is "o/"
[11:38] <Tm_T> o head and / hand
[11:38] <Tezkah> ohhh
[11:38] <Tezkah> headslap
[11:39] <Tm_T> slap?
[11:39] <kkathman> hey there Tezkah o/
[11:39] <kkathman> nah its a wave :)
[11:39] <Tezkah> hi kkathman o/o~
[11:39] <nmorse> or nursing a hangover
[11:46] <Ghetek> need help making sound work
[11:46] <Ghetek> i get null device
[11:49] <Tm_T> ok, good night to you all ->
[11:50] <Blissex> Ghetek: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#troubleshooting
[11:50] <nmorse> see you, Tm-T
[11:50] <kkathman> Ghetek: Does your system recognize it??  try an lspci and see
[11:53] <Ghetek> 0000:02:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
[11:53] <Ghetek> yup
[11:53] <Diablo-D3> w00t an emu10k1
[11:53] <kkathman> excellent :)
[11:53] <Ghetek> ?
[11:53] <Ghetek> is that bad?
[11:53] <kkathman> no its very good
[11:54] <Ghetek> doctor kkathman, will the patient survive?
[11:54] <kkathman> absolutely
[11:54] <Ghetek> any ideas as to what to do now?
[11:56] <Ghetek> oh
[11:56] <Ghetek> i did alsamixer
[11:56] <Ghetek> and it thinks that my audio is my webcam i think
[11:56] <Ghetek> "Card: Camera"
[11:59] <kkathman> hmmm
[12:00] <kkathman> Odd that your audio wasnt configured during install
[12:01] <Ghetek> im going to take out the camera and restart x
[12:01] <Ghetek> wish me luck
[12:01] <kkathman> you should check out both the site that Blissex gave you, and www.ubuntuguide.org under sound
[12:01] <kkathman> brb
[12:02] <kkathman> decided I liked Konversation rather than irssi