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| mkde | hi burgs | 12:04 |
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| Burgundavia | salut | 12:22 |
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| jsgotangco | hellp | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | wait | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | that didnt go right | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | hello | 03:10 |
| mpt | That Winton guy is cool | 05:21 |
| mpt | jdub: ping | 05:29 |
| Burgundavia | salut mpt | 06:46 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, salut | 06:51 |
| Burgundavia | salut jsgotangco | 06:53 |
| mpt | afternoon | 06:53 |
| Burgundavia | how goes life for all? | 06:53 |
| mpt | That jdub is a busy fellow | 06:53 |
| jsgotangco | oh im thinking of taking up french classes | 06:53 |
| jsgotangco | its a toss up between french and german | 06:54 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, french is more widely spoken in the world | 06:57 |
| Burgundavia | and I have heard german is a bitch to learn | 06:57 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm i think german is more on delivery..it has a lot of english root words | 06:58 |
| jsgotangco | for french, yeah i can go to quebec or in some african country and still speak it | 06:58 |
| Burgundavia | quebecois is french, but don't tell the french that | 06:58 |
| Burgundavia | and the french they speak in africa has got a crazy accent | 06:58 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 06:59 |
| jsgotangco | is your french good? | 06:59 |
| Burgundavia | not anymore | 07:03 |
| Burgundavia | used to be almost fluent | 07:03 |
| Burgundavia | I stopped using it just before i got the point where I would always remember it, and I haven't used it since | 07:05 |
| Burgundavia | if I moved to a french speaking area/country, I would pick it up quickly | 07:06 |
| jsgotangco | yeah sounds logical to do that | 07:11 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 07:38 |
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| froud | African Greetings | 07:46 |
| Burgundavia | salut froud | 07:47 |
| froud | Burgundavia: got your pgp key stuff sorted yet? | 07:48 |
| Burgundavia | not yet, not heard back from elmo | 07:48 |
| Burgundavia | I will ping him tomorrow | 07:48 |
| froud | life is slow | 07:50 |
| froud | Burgundavia: enrico committed deb packaging for computer dictionary | 07:51 |
| froud | at http://computerdictionary.tsf.org.za/dictionary/packages/computerdictionary_1.0-1_all.deb | 07:52 |
| froud | I am gonna use it to generate glossary on generic install guide | 07:53 |
| froud | let people see how it works, if they like then then we can use it as a build dependancy on the docs that have glossary | 07:54 |
| froud | makes life a bit easier when we have a glossary, no need to explain certain things | 07:55 |
| froud | if user does not understand, they will click to the glossary | 07:56 |
| Burgundavia | installs cleanly | 07:57 |
| froud | yes | 07:57 |
| froud | I committed a patch to svn that makes our xsl custom layer aware of it | 07:58 |
| froud | if you wrap words like this | 08:00 |
| froud | <para>Set your <glossterm linkend="NetAddr">network address</glossterm>. | 08:00 |
| froud | </para> | 08:00 |
| froud | opps | 08:00 |
| froud | <para>Set your <glossterm linkend="NetAddr">network address</glossterm>. | 08:00 |
| froud | </para> | 08:00 |
| froud | ooop | 08:00 |
| froud | <glossterm linkend="N-id-number-of-term">network address</glossterm> | 08:01 |
| froud | when terms are marked this way you will get an automatically generate glossary | 08:02 |
| froud | when | 08:02 |
| froud | <glossary role="auto"> | 08:02 |
| froud | <glossentry> | 08:02 |
| froud | <glossterm>Dummy</glossterm> | 08:02 |
| froud | <glossdef> | 08:02 |
| froud | <para>Now you see me, next you won't.</para> | 08:02 |
| froud | </glossdef> | 08:02 |
| froud | </glossentry> | 08:02 |
| froud | </glossary> | 08:02 |
| froud | is placed at the end of a docment | 08:02 |
| froud | Since the dictionary will be installed in the same place for everyone, it will be easy for a person to reference it | 08:03 |
| froud | if the dictionary is not installed then the glossary will generate, but will be empty | 08:04 |
| froud | Burgundavia: what do you think? | 08:04 |
| Burgundavia | very cool | 08:04 |
| Burgundavia | how do we change stuff in the glossary? work with upstream? | 08:05 |
| froud | There is much redundancy in the glossary database | 08:05 |
| froud | I will give accounts to those who wish to commit | 08:05 |
| froud | you up to it? | 08:05 |
| froud | for example the term DHCP is full ofduplicates | 08:05 |
| Burgundavia | sure, I could tweak. I dislike writing huge docs | 08:05 |
| froud | this doc is a fork from the LDP Linux Dictionary | 08:06 |
| froud | OK send me a username and password by email | 08:06 |
| Burgundavia | can do | 08:06 |
| froud | did you send it? | 08:09 |
| Burgundavia | done now | 08:10 |
| froud | Burgundavia: OK in pwd do svn://computerdictionary.tsf.org.za/terms/trunk terms | 08:12 |
| froud | Burgundavia: OK in pwd do svn://computerdictionary.tsf.org.za/terms/trunk terms --username ??? --password ???? | 08:13 |
| froud | just incase you forgot | 08:13 |
| froud | Burgundavia: As I said, you will find that there is much duplication in the database, we are working to reduce this | 08:14 |
| froud | Burgundavia: this will normalize the database, so that it is easier to work with | 08:15 |
| froud | Burgundavia: you will find that we xref to biblio | 08:15 |
| froud | This enables you to copy from network or book sources and give credits | 08:16 |
| froud | I plan to add support for the bibliograpghy to generic install guide soon | 08:16 |
| froud | So unless you write it yourself, you must make a bibliographic entry | 08:17 |
| froud | Burgundavia: project mailing lists dont work at present | 08:18 |
| froud | we're working on that one:-) | 08:18 |
| froud | is it checking out for you? | 08:20 |
| Burgundavia | yep, checked out | 08:20 |
| Burgundavia | I will dig around | 08:20 |
| froud | OK | 08:21 |
| froud | I just did a commit of glosterm markup example on generic instalguide | 08:22 |
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| froud | Once we have this working, I will aim to add support for inter-document linking and cross referencing | 08:23 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 08:23 |
| froud | morn jsgotangco | 08:23 |
| jsgotangco | froud, hey hows it going how was the weekend | 08:24 |
| Burgundavia | salut again | 08:24 |
| froud | hectic, Linux World starts on tuesday | 08:24 |
| froud | so been getting the booth ready | 08:24 |
| jsgotangco | whoa inwords booth? | 08:24 |
| froud | as usual I forgot a ton of things and must scramble at last minute | 08:24 |
| froud | yes | 08:24 |
| jsgotangco | awsome i am in a client at the moment we're about to do some oracle stuff for the next 2 months | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | that means i have a job for 2 months heh | 08:25 |
| froud | http://www.linuxworldexpo.co.za/ | 08:26 |
| froud | Ok cool | 08:26 |
| froud | Oracle runs well on Linux | 08:26 |
| jsgotangco | it does heh | 08:26 |
| jsgotangco | i want to experiment though on this client | 08:26 |
| Burgundavia | their website sucks, to be honest | 08:26 |
| froud | Burgundavia: Africa dude | 08:26 |
| Burgundavia | websites suck in NA too | 08:27 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 08:27 |
| froud | but checkout the exhibitor list | 08:27 |
| Burgundavia | geography has little to do with how badly you build a website | 08:27 |
| froud | expo > exhibiting | 08:27 |
| jsgotangco | oh sabdfl is keynote (heh what else is new) | 08:27 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 08:28 |
| froud | I think we have a good turnout fo rthe first ever in South Africa | 08:28 |
| jsgotangco | wim coekaerts of oracle | 08:28 |
| Burgundavia | you have to click through 3 levels to get to the vendor list | 08:28 |
| jsgotangco | not bad | 08:28 |
| froud | Yeah, usability is just great :-) | 08:28 |
| Burgundavia | lol | 08:29 |
| === Burgundavia is a on a bit of a usablity kick right now | ||
| Burgundavia | I have filed about 25-35 bugs on synaptic | 08:29 |
| jsgotangco | give mvo a hard time heh | 08:29 |
| froud | did you see that I finally kicked SuSE off my laptop. Installed Kubuntu :-) | 08:29 |
| Burgundavia | mvo said he liked it | 08:29 |
| Burgundavia | no, congrats | 08:29 |
| Burgundavia | my brother is now running Ubuntu | 08:30 |
| froud | How's he finding it | 08:30 |
| Burgundavia | he likes it | 08:30 |
| froud | All I need to do now is find time to backup my workstation then install it | 08:30 |
| Burgundavia | " I just set the U File Manager up to connect to warbard.ca - very cool! FTP'ing to my webspace just like moving around my own files - hot damn" | 08:30 |
| froud | He he, then there is me who still does FTP by cli :-) | 08:31 |
| froud | jsgotangco: so with the new work, when will you get time for screen capts on kwick guide? | 08:32 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm i have to fix my box let me finish first with the text by this week | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | ill think about the shots later | 08:33 |
| froud | OK ;-) | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | i can still do docteam stuff anyway | 08:33 |
| froud | OK | 08:33 |
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| froud | must do school run now, c ya all later | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | bye bye | 08:33 |
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| jsgotangco | wow that kubuntu guide is huge | 10:19 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:21 |
| === Burgundavia curses the wiki again | ||
| Burgundavia | we need a better wiki, so that people do this crap on our servers, not their | 10:21 |
| jsgotangco | are you implying that if ubuntu gives proper resources, more people would jump into using ubuntu resources rather than using their own solutions | 10:22 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:23 |
| Burgundavia | observe the gentoo wiki | 10:23 |
| jsgotangco | mediawiki | 10:24 |
| jsgotangco | its nice though | 10:24 |
| Burgundavia | mediawiki is the best wiki engine, bar none | 10:24 |
| jsgotangco | i like the howto index | 10:24 |
| Burgundavia | I hate that we are not even considering it | 10:24 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia: it suffers from being a PHP program I believe | 10:25 |
| Burgundavia | Kinnison, I know that | 10:25 |
| Burgundavia | but one of the largest websites in the world runs it | 10:25 |
| jsgotangco | brick wall atm dude | 10:26 |
| Burgundavia | I know | 10:26 |
| Burgundavia | media supports css and a lot of really html stuff | 10:26 |
| Burgundavia | it basically throws the old "wikis look like crap" to the wind | 10:28 |
| Kinnison | Aye, but it suffers in the same way as plone... All mediawiki based sites look just like wikipedia | 10:28 |
| Burgundavia | right http://www.hula-project.com/Hula_Server | 10:29 |
| Burgundavia | you can hack the css | 10:29 |
| === Kinnison grins | ||
| Kinnison | and that looks worse | 10:31 |
| Burgundavia | however, I have no idea how a zwiki-->mediawiki transition would look like | 10:31 |
| Burgundavia | Kinnison, the point is, you don't have to make it look mediawiki | 10:32 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia: true | 10:32 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia: just like you *can* run a plone site which doesn't look like plone | 10:32 |
| Kinnison | unfortunately very very few people do | 10:32 |
| Burgundavia | most people don | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | why bother if it works unless you really want an identity no? | 10:33 |
| Burgundavia | I don't really care what it looks like, I want to powerful syntax that is available | 10:33 |
| Kinnison | going back to proper moin will help a lot | 10:33 |
| Burgundavia | yes' | 10:33 |
| Burgundavia | but media is moin expanded | 10:34 |
| Burgundavia | full table syntax | 10:34 |
| Burgundavia | with all the support for the html table stuff | 10:34 |
| Burgundavia | and <div> stuff | 10:34 |
| Kinnison | moin's table support is pretty good | 10:34 |
| Kinnison | But anyway, it's fairly unlikely we'd move to mediawiki | 10:34 |
| Kinnison | so this is kinda a moot debate :-) | 10:35 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:35 |
| Burgundavia | I will grumble quitely, and watch people use other pages | 10:35 |
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| jsgotangco | #ubuntu-rant | 10:35 |
| Burgundavia | lol | 10:35 |
| Burgundavia | how many offsite doc things have I seen now? 5? 6? | 10:38 |
| mpt | jdub: ping | 11:02 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, you haven't been able to get him yet? | 11:02 |
| mpt | no, he's a busy person | 11:02 |
| mpt | or, he's treating me with the distance I deserve | 11:02 |
| mpt | or both | 11:02 |
| Burgundavia | what do you need to talk with him about? | 11:03 |
| mpt | help | 11:03 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 11:03 |
| Burgundavia | I assume that was a statement, not a cry for some | 11:03 |
| mpt | yes, help as in the stuff you get when you choose "Help" | 11:04 |
| mdke | morning | 11:06 |
| Burgundavia | salut mdke | 11:07 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, yes, my attempt at a joke at 2am | 11:07 |
| mdke | he promised two emails to the list :/ | 11:09 |
| jsgotangco | hello | 11:09 |
| mdke | hi jsgotangco | 11:10 |
| mdke | how's it going? | 11:10 |
| jsgotangco | not bad | 11:10 |
| jsgotangco | i went to the beach | 11:10 |
| mdke | cool | 11:10 |
| jsgotangco | i'd say | 11:10 |
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| mdke | *grins* | 11:12 |
| mdke | i bet the beaches are nice where you are | 11:12 |
| jsgotangco | sure you get to choose which type of sand you like | 11:13 |
| === Burgundavia has memorys of the Seychelles | ||
| jsgotangco | wow | 11:13 |
| mdke | you don't get to choose much if you go to the beach here | 11:14 |
| jsgotangco | i like sunny weather but my place is so humid at the moment | 11:14 |
| === mdke looks at the Kubuntu FAQ | ||
| mdke | hmm | 11:14 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, its a direct rip, but nicely done | 11:14 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| Burgundavia | we need to get the licence thing cleared up | 11:14 |
| Burgundavia | as the old userguide.org is gpl and GFDL | 11:15 |
| === mpt can't even find any of Gnome's help docs in gnome-cvs | ||
| Burgundavia | the new on is GPL only | 11:15 |
| Burgundavia | and the kubuntu thing is GFDL | 11:15 |
| mdke | is that going to go into xml? | 11:15 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 11:15 |
| jsgotangco | what you think | 11:15 |
| mdke | no? | 11:16 |
| === jsgotangco is not an expert on this license things | ||
| Burgundavia | I want it on our wiki first | 11:16 |
| Burgundavia | we can worry about docbook later | 11:16 |
| mdke | ok | 11:16 |
| jsgotangco | yeah stuff can be easily dumped into docbook | 11:16 |
| mdke | *laughs* | 11:17 |
| mdke | corey, your email "Re: Ubuntu Hoary Tv-out howto" | 11:17 |
| mdke | you've quoted an enormous piece of text and then written one line at the end | 11:17 |
| jsgotangco | heh he didnt top post | 11:18 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| mdke | cutting quotes is cool too tho | 11:18 |
| Burgundavia | I don't see that on gmail, my bad | 11:18 |
| mpt | The irony is that cutting quotes is easier when a program puts the caret at the top than if it puts it at the bottom | 11:19 |
| jsgotangco | yeah i cut quotes but i prefer using plain text for email raither than the default html of most clients | 11:19 |
| mdke | oh of course | 11:19 |
| mdke | fucking gmail | 11:19 |
| mdke | for the italian list we made a listiquette wiki page | 11:20 |
| mdke | might translate it, it is pretty cool | 11:20 |
| jsgotangco | hope people read it, heh, they like ignoring that kind of stuff just like eula and gpl | 11:21 |
| mdke | so far not a huge amount of success actually | 11:22 |
| mdke | but the page is cool | 11:22 |
| mdke | people are still top posting and using html | 11:22 |
| jsgotangco | yeah html for email sucks its only used for bling | 11:23 |
| mdke | actually there is a sort of old english page | 11:24 |
| mdke | http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ListiQuette | 11:24 |
| jsgotangco | old english? | 11:24 |
| mdke | *laughs* | 11:24 |
| mdke | old, english | 11:25 |
| jsgotangco | ye olde ubuntu linux | 11:25 |
| jsgotangco | heh the directions for the way to Guadec is so visual | 11:50 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 11:50 |
| Burgundavia | say again? link? | 11:51 |
| jsgotangco | http://2005.guadec.org/travel/ | 11:51 |
| jsgotangco | just looking around the site hehe | 11:51 |
| Burgundavia | oh I see | 11:52 |
| Burgundavia | http://2005.guadec.org/ | 11:53 |
| Burgundavia | no canonical on the list | 11:53 |
| mpt | but sabdfl's speaking | 11:55 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 11:55 |
| Burgundavia | http://live.gnome.org/Stuttgart2005_2fFreeformSessions_2fDocs | 11:55 |
| Burgundavia | ok, check out that | 11:55 |
| jsgotangco | yelp maintainer | 11:56 |
| mdke | interesting | 11:56 |
| jsgotangco | reverse dns is not a bad idea | 11:58 |
| mdke | K E Y N O T E - Mark Shuttleworth, Canonical, Ltd. | 11:59 |
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| mdke | he is speaking too | 12:00 |
| mdke | Project Topaz, Planning for 3.0, Jeff Waugh | 12:00 |
| Burgundavia | "By night, he steals dreams from small children and sells their distilled energy to large multi-national corporations to fund his Free Software habit" | 12:01 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| mdke | how young is Miguel de Icaza | 12:02 |
| mdke | crazy shit | 12:02 |
| Burgundavia | he wrote midnight commander at 19 | 12:02 |
| Burgundavia | I think he is 25ish | 12:03 |
| Burgundavia | and quite wealthy | 12:03 |
| jsgotangco | jeezz i feel old | 12:03 |
| === Burgundavia is 22 | ||
| mdke | very wealthy i'm thinking | 12:03 |
| mdke | 23 here | 12:03 |
| jsgotangco | i hate you both | 12:03 |
| Burgundavia | froud is 37 | 12:03 |
| mdke | but then again i've never founded gnome | 12:03 |
| jsgotangco | hah | 12:03 |
| mdke | this guy is a joke too, he looks about 15 | 12:04 |
| mdke | http://www.nat.org/ | 12:04 |
| Burgundavia | he is other wealthy one | 12:04 |
| Burgundavia | from ximian | 12:04 |
| mdke | yup | 12:04 |
| jsgotangco | its all about the opportunities available in your area | 12:05 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, these kids are geniuses | 12:05 |
| jsgotangco | yeah but without the right environment that's nothing | 12:05 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, i guess they needed a computer yeah | 12:06 |
| Burgundavia | shit, icaza is from mexico | 12:06 |
| Burgundavia | not exactly europe/Us or Canada | 12:06 |
| mdke | in my book they deserve every penny | 12:06 |
| jsgotangco | hey look mono-project.com is in mediawiki | 12:07 |
| === jsgotangco grins | ||
| mdke | hey they founded a great company through their computer abilities and sold it for a huge amount | 12:07 |
| Burgundavia | novell bought ximian for the people | 12:07 |
| Burgundavia | it bought suse to have a distro | 12:08 |
| Burgundavia | observe all the suse people leaving | 12:08 |
| === jsgotangco remembers he has some novell magazines to read later | ||
| jsgotangco | (its no different from reading an oracle magazine - good advertisting) | 12:09 |
| mdke | ok i'm off | 12:17 |
| mdke | back later | 12:17 |
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| jsgotangco | well see you around | 12:36 |
| jsgotangco | bye bye | 12:36 |
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| mdke | what happened to the #ubuntu bot project? anything? | 01:10 |
| Burgundavia | the runner died | 01:11 |
| Burgundavia | and I don't have the interest/technical skills to resurrect it | 01:11 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| Burgundavia | lol, hbd.com uses php | 02:16 |
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| mdke | hi there jiyuu0 | 04:09 |
| jiyuu0 | mdke, hi | 04:09 |
| mdke | i noticed that marillat is still on ubuntuguide.org | 04:09 |
| mdke | its not mentioned on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats anymore | 04:10 |
| jiyuu0 | yub... just finished the add-on-cd | 04:10 |
| jiyuu0 | and just came back from vacation | 04:10 |
| jiyuu0 | now unpacking... | 04:10 |
| jiyuu0 | just like step into house in less than 10 minutes ago | 04:10 |
| mdke | *grins* | 04:10 |
| mdke | have fun? | 04:10 |
| jiyuu0 | yes... :) | 04:11 |
| mdke | good | 04:11 |
| jiyuu0 | gotta run... brb :) | 04:11 |
| mdke | k | 04:11 |
| jiyuu0 | need to unload stuff | 04:11 |
| mdke | mpt, good stuff | 04:29 |
| mdke | mpt, i think you should also include references to the current docteam book projects in your help page | 04:30 |
| mdke | or perhaps they can be incorporated into the userguide | 04:31 |
| mdke | (your categories i mean) | 04:31 |
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| mdke | hi froud | 06:47 |
| mdke | how was the conference? | 06:47 |
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| jjesse | ? | 08:39 |
| mdke | hi jjesse | 08:40 |
| jjesse | hi mdke | 08:41 |
| jjesse | hit the wrong windo :) | 08:41 |
| mdke | *grins* | 08:41 |
| jjesse | don't you hate that when that happens | 08:42 |
| mdke | yep | 08:42 |
| mdke | also typos in commands | 08:42 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://irclog.workaround.org | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by sivang at Sat Jan 1 20:48:30 2005 | ||
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| Burgundavia | mpt, around? | 08:32 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, have you seen monodoc? | 08:49 |
| Burgundavia | no | 08:49 |
| Burgundavia | installing now | 08:50 |
| jsgotangco | its nice it has a tree view and some navi tabs | 08:50 |
| Burgundavia | looks like any other 2 paned help out there | 08:54 |
| === Burgundavia moves on | ||
| jsgotangco | it works for me | 08:55 |
| Burgundavia | yes, it works, but it is aimed at a very different audience to ours | 08:57 |
| Kinnison | Morning | 09:19 |
| Burgundavia | salut Kinnison | 09:19 |
| Kinnison | salut salaud, ca va? | 09:19 |
| Burgundavia | bah | 09:20 |
| === Kinnison snuggles | ||
| Kinnison | How's .ca then? | 09:20 |
| Burgundavia | not bad | 09:21 |
| Burgundavia | seems the muine guy doesn't like my bug reports | 09:21 |
| Burgundavia | he has rejected 2 as not a bug | 09:21 |
| Burgundavia | but mvo loves the 25+ I have filed on synaptic | 09:21 |
| Burgundavia | and my brother is now using Ubuntu | 09:21 |
| Kinnison | Heh, my dad has been talking with mvo about update-manager | 09:22 |
| === mpt has been mocking up a beautiful package management interface | ||
| Burgundavia | mpt, cool | 09:26 |
| Burgundavia | I have been thinking about it too | 09:26 |
| mpt | It's gonna need gtk trickery, though | 09:26 |
| Burgundavia | did you get my email? | 09:26 |
| mpt | about what? | 09:26 |
| Burgundavia | the gnome bug | 09:26 |
| mpt | what's muine? | 09:27 |
| Burgundavia | music player | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | http://muine.gooeylinux.org/ | 09:28 |
| jsgotangco | i heard muine is going in main | 09:29 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, I doubt it | 09:30 |
| mpt | Instead of Rhythmbox? | 09:30 |
| Kinnison | rhythmbox is pants | 09:30 |
| Kinnison | utter pants | 09:30 |
| Kinnison | (IMHO) | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | why not if mono is going in main anyway | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 09:30 |
| mpt | Is that why the screenshot is of Muine playing a song called "Elegy for rhythmbox"? | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | f-spot, blam, etc | 09:31 |
| mpt | holy crap that's a lot of dependencies | 09:31 |
| Burgundavia | rhythmbox is the default gnome music player | 09:31 |
| mpt | yeah, and Epiphany's the default browser | 09:32 |
| Burgundavia | rhythmbox is actually shipped by Ubuntu | 09:32 |
| mpt | 45.3 MB of extra space for a music player | 09:32 |
| mpt | rock | 09:32 |
| Burgundavia | you don't have mono installed? | 09:33 |
| Kinnison | mpt: dude, no mono?! | 09:34 |
| Kinnison | mpt: tomboy dude! tomboy! | 09:34 |
| Kinnison | stickywiki! | 09:34 |
| mpt | eh? | 09:34 |
| Kinnison | apt-cache show tomboy | 09:34 |
| Burgundavia | he will have mono soon enough | 09:34 |
| mpt | in about 5 minutes and 54 seconds | 09:34 |
| Kinnison | *so* much better than the stickynotes applet | 09:34 |
| Burgundavia | as breezy is shipping mono by default | 09:34 |
| mpt | Kinnison: Oh, I thought those were all dialectal obscenities | 09:35 |
| mpt | You were swearing at me for not having mono | 09:35 |
| jsgotangco | hahaha | 09:36 |
| Burgundavia | rofl | 09:36 |
| Burgundavia | lmao | 09:36 |
| === Kinnison smiles | ||
| Burgundavia | mono is the newest shit, straight from the heart of mormon country | 09:37 |
| mpt | hah | 09:37 |
| === Burgundavia would like to remind listeners that Novell and SCO are about 100 miles apart | ||
| jsgotangco | tomboy is so nice i want to cry | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | I really like tomboy, I have just never figured out how to make it work within my work flow | 09:38 |
| jsgotangco | the answer to that is alt+f11 | 09:38 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | I think I need to move to the bottom panel, so I use it | 09:39 |
| === Kinnison has it sat next to the notification area | ||
| Burgundavia | I also like blam | 09:40 |
| Burgundavia | but I heard it is a mess internally | 09:40 |
| jsgotangco | eh? | 09:40 |
| === Kinnison has never tried blam | ||
| === jsgotangco uses blam | ||
| Burgundavia | tseng says it is a mess of c and c# | 09:42 |
| mpt | I don't see any stickywiki in the repositories | 09:42 |
| mpt | therefore it doesn't exist | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | no look for tomboy | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, I like your attitude, I wish more people would follow it | 09:43 |
| Kinnison | mpt: stickywiki is just a way to describe tomboy :-) | 09:43 |
| Kinnison | mpt: It's a cross between stickynotes and a personal wiki | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | then they wouldn't "enhance" their Ubuntu to the point of a bug repot | 09:43 |
| === mpt installs blam and tomboy | ||
| Burgundavia | mpt, can yer look at that bug report? | 09:43 |
| jsgotangco | try f-spot as well | 09:44 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 09:44 |
| mpt | Burgundavia: Well if we had packages that had obvious names, rather than names like "blam" and "tomboy" and "muine" (I mean, wtf, "muine"? it sounds like the name of a geriatric cat), then people would spend all day in the safe confines of universe crack and wouldn't feel the need to get crack elsewhere. | 09:45 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, we just need to advertise what they do better, with metadata | 09:45 |
| Burgundavia | so you can search for "music player" and get up muine, etc. | 09:46 |
| mpt | Using metadata to work around bad names is like wearing a name badge every day that says "Hi, my name is Fred, but you can call me muine" | 09:46 |
| mpt | Ok, I'm rambling | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | names are catchy | 09:46 |
| Kinnison | perhaps, but then again, when there are N music players, you can't call them all 'music-player' | 09:46 |
| mpt | Import | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | names are not a major issue | 09:46 |
| mpt | Import From: /home/mpt | 09:46 |
| mpt | how friendly | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, that is being worked on | 09:47 |
| mpt | no progress feedback while importing | 09:48 |
| mpt | the app appears to hang | 09:48 |
| mpt | actually, no | 09:48 |
| Burgundavia | eventually, import should happen in the background | 09:48 |
| mpt | it does bring up a progress window, after about 20 seconds | 09:48 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, that is odd, probably trying to parse a huge dir | 09:49 |
| mpt | clicking "Edit Image" doesn't do anything except make the image shrink momentarily | 09:52 |
| mpt | is that yet-to-be-implemented? | 09:52 |
| Burgundavia | where is this edit image you speak of? | 09:53 |
| mpt | in the toolbar | 09:53 |
| Burgundavia | for muine? | 09:54 |
| mpt | no, f-spot | 09:54 |
| mpt | ohhh, you thought I was talking about muine the whole time | 09:55 |
| mpt | sorry | 09:55 |
| mpt | a big bass clef, how ... interesting | 09:55 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 09:56 |
| Burgundavia | f-spot is very new | 09:56 |
| Burgundavia | 0.0.13 I think, never used it | 09:56 |
| Burgundavia | cool, with muine you can drag an image to the bass clef on the interface and have that image for the album | 09:57 |
| mpt | What's the /dev/thingy for a CD drive? | 09:57 |
| Burgundavia | why? | 09:57 |
| mpt | I need to pmount it every time because of a bug | 09:57 |
| Kinnison | depends on your drive normally | 09:57 |
| Burgundavia | does f-spot not just see it? | 09:57 |
| mpt | No, I'm in Muine now | 09:57 |
| Burgundavia | muine only plays ripped stuff | 09:58 |
| Burgundavia | not internet radio | 09:58 |
| Burgundavia | no cds | 09:58 |
| mpt | oh, for goodness sake | 09:58 |
| mpt | I bet it doesn't even rip the songs it expects you to have ripped, does it | 09:59 |
| Burgundavia | no | 09:59 |
| Burgundavia | that is sound juicers job | 10:00 |
| mpt | haha | 10:00 |
| Burgundavia | muine is not very everybody | 10:00 |
| jsgotangco | hehehe | 10:00 |
| Burgundavia | but what it does, it does very well | 10:00 |
| mpt | Someone should get the programmers of Sound Juicer and Rhythmbox and Muine and CD Player and lock them in a room and not let them out until they have a single codebase | 10:02 |
| mpt | Give them as much pizza as they want | 10:03 |
| mpt | and pillows, so they can have pillowfights about which language to code in | 10:03 |
| Burgundavia | muine is c#, and thus will never get into gnome | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | cd player is about to use the code base of sound juicer, but a different UI | 10:04 |
| Kinnison | give them all enough crack to smoke that they realise the right way is dbus love | 10:04 |
| Kinnison | A single unified UI onto dbus discoverable audio magic | 10:05 |
| jsgotangco | dbus yeahhh | 10:05 |
| Burgundavia | they should have interconnections, so if I am listening to a cd, I can click rip and it opens sj | 10:05 |
| mpt | That's still showing me a completely separate UI for the *same* tracks | 10:05 |
| Burgundavia | but ripping is different activity than listening | 10:06 |
| Burgundavia | if the UI | 10:06 |
| Burgundavia | s look similar, then it is not an issue | 10:06 |
| mpt | That's like having one word processor for doing writing, another word processor for mail merges, and another for printing | 10:06 |
| Burgundavia | not really | 10:06 |
| mpt | That's why menus were invented | 10:06 |
| Burgundavia | it is like having GIMP for editing | 10:06 |
| Burgundavia | and f-spot for viewing | 10:06 |
| Kinnison | mpt: No, it's like having a wordprocessor for writing letters, and a spreadsheet for doing spreadsheets | 10:07 |
| mpt | Kinnison: No, WP documents and spreadsheets are not just different file formats, they're different things | 10:07 |
| Burgundavia | they should interconnect, but show seperate but similar UI's for different tasks | 10:07 |
| mpt | Music is music | 10:07 |
| === jsgotangco starts up amaroK | ||
| mpt | Now I understand why LSongs was developed | 10:08 |
| Kinnison | mpt: so I should start using OpenOffice to edit my python programs. After all they're both text | 10:08 |
| mpt | Kinnison: WP documents and programming code are different things too | 10:09 |
| mpt | of course it's a matter of definition | 10:09 |
| Kinnison | indeed. I prefer separated UIs for different tasks | 10:09 |
| Burgundavia | music should be treated equally, but we rip very rarely and listen often | 10:09 |
| Kinnison | even if they're fundamentally manipulating similar concepts | 10:09 |
| Burgundavia | thus the ripping functions should be moved to something else | 10:09 |
| Burgundavia | rb is basically itunes | 10:10 |
| mpt | But yeah, I would like to be able to double-click on a picture, have it open in a viewer, then click an "Edit" button and the toolbox appears | 10:12 |
| mpt | That would be nifty | 10:12 |
| Burgundavia | yes, that would be cool | 10:12 |
| Burgundavia | that is what a ripping app should do as well | 10:12 |
| Burgundavia | with a cd in | 10:12 |
| Burgundavia | have UI that pops up ony when you want to rip | 10:12 |
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| mkde | hi all | 12:30 |
| Burgundavia | salut | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | hello | 12:31 |
| mkde | hows it going? | 12:31 |
| Burgundavia | we are discussing little people in computers | 12:33 |
| mkde | computer gnomes? | 12:33 |
| jsgotangco | bye bye | 12:34 |
| mkde | bye jsgotangco | 12:35 |
| mpt | mmm, gnomes | 12:54 |
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| mkde | strange business this [fr] stuff on the list | 02:35 |
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| mkde | wb froud | 02:48 |
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| froud | Hi dude | 07:36 |
| froud | well first day of th efirst ever LinuxWorld in CO.ZA is over and so are my feet | 07:37 |
| froud | busy, lots of action, could have been more visitors, but then most people are still at work | 07:38 |
| froud | As usual the TSF freedom toaster was hard pressed to keep up with demand and the queue to burn CD's was long | 07:38 |
| froud | sabdfl gave was sounded like a good speach http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/software/2005/0505171134.asp?A=LIN&S=Open%20Source&O=E&CiRestriction= | 07:39 |
| froud | An maddog took the time to wander through the booths meeting and chatting with everyone | 07:40 |
| froud | That dude is just like so cool, people everywhere liked him | 07:40 |
| froud | As for us we all just had fun and managed to pickup 16 unprotected wireless networks that gave the Linux User Group stands free Internet access for the day :-) | 07:41 |
| froud | Tomorrow, feet willing, we will report more | 07:42 |
| froud | somebody tell sabfl that he needs a hair cut, please :-) | 07:43 |
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| k31th | alright guys | 07:58 |
| k31th | hope to do some more work on the admin docs tonight | 07:58 |
| k31th | sorry if i havent surfaced for a while | 07:59 |
| mdke | hi there froud-away | 08:00 |
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| mdke | we enrico | 10:00 |
| enrico | hi | 10:03 |
| mdke | how are you? | 10:03 |
| enrico | mdke: kind of tired | 12:05 |
| mdke | enrico, sorry to hear that | 12:05 |
| enrico | mdke: busy day | 12:05 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| mdke | enrico, allora vatti curca | 12:05 |
| enrico | mdke: well, not a bad plan: I'll be in bed quite soon | 12:06 |
| mdke | *grins* | 12:06 |
| mdke | time for bed here too | 12:06 |
| mdke | how is your job? | 12:06 |
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