[12:04] <ivoks> there goes aptitude and ubuntu-minimal :)
[12:19] <motaboy> night all!
[12:25] <ivoks> night!
[12:27] <doko> ivoks: libsdl-mixer1.2 is updated
[12:42] <Burgundavia> siretart, MOTUGames created
[12:42] <siretart> Burgundavia: w00t :)
[12:44] <dholbach> ROCK!!!
[12:54] <dholbach> i think i'm going to bed now, sleep tight guys
[12:57] <JDahl> is http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide the recommended guide for builing ubuntu packages?
[12:58] <tritium> JDahl, it's what I started from.
[01:00] <HostingGeek> JDahl: no it the recommended guide for building deb packages
[01:08] <Burgundavia> siretart, I just threw a lot crapload of info on MOTUGames
[01:10] <siretart> Burgundavia: nice.
[01:11] <Burgundavia> siretart, basically created a clearinghouse of stuff that is under active development and is useful
[01:13] <siretart> the page is a good starting point for doing work.
[01:13] <siretart> will look tomorrow for stuff needs to be done, no I need a bed ;)
[01:13] <siretart> gn8, cya tomorrow
[01:13] <siretart> s/no/now/
[01:14] <Burgundavia> cheers
[01:58] <tseng> how long will NEW be frozen
[02:42] <tseng> Burgundavia: is your blam fixed now?
[03:20] <tseng> do we have a monkey journal package somewhere?
[03:37] <|QuaD-_> tseng: lol....
[03:37] <tseng> zomglolerskater
[03:45] <tseng> |QuaD-_: heh we got trolled.
[03:45] <|QuaD-_> tseng: :)
[03:46] <tseng> id better sleep
[03:46] <tseng> cya dudes
[03:46] <|QuaD-_> ttyl
[05:57] <JDahl> I am trying to package a python extension module, and I need to know the platform specific lib path (e.g., build/linux-i686-2.4). Can anyone think of a simple way to get that information in setup.py?
[06:37] <JDahl> Amaranth, ?
[06:38] <Amaranth> oh, i was hoping vlc would be fixed before the C++ move
[06:38] <Amaranth> so i could use the new dbus crack
[06:43] <ajmitch_> you'll just have to be patient :)
[06:43] <Amaranth> yeah, i know
[06:43] <ajmitch_> what's wrong with vlc?
[06:45] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[06:45] <Amaranth> if i try to install the new dbus and hal vlc gets removed
[06:45] <ajmitch_> oh, is that all? :)
[06:46] <ajmitch_> probably just needs rebuilt/transitioned to the new dbus
[06:46] <ajmitch_> which may involve source changes
[07:13] <JDahl> I made my rudimentary python package, but with a hardcoded link to /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages (I have python2.4xxx in Build-Depends). My package works fine for python2.3 also, so is this a bad procedure, or should I just maintain seperate versions for python2.3 and python2.4 if I want that?
[07:28] <Amaranth> JDahl: Well, ubuntu only has 2.4 (afaik) so it shouldn't be a problem.
[07:29] <JDahl> Amaranth, yeah... but I wouldn't mind making it accessible for Debian also
[07:29] <schweeb> ubuntu has 2.3 available to it.
[07:29] <schweeb> and it's a good idea to make it as version agnostic as possible
[07:29] <schweeb> IMO
[07:29] <Amaranth> in the bittorrent package they have a PYTHON_VERSION variable that uses some shell command to get the version
[07:30] <JDahl> ok, thanks.. I will look that up
[07:30] <schweeb> if they use the Setup.py stuff
[07:30] <schweeb> it should be pretty much automatic
[07:30] <schweeb> (or whatever it's called, think it was setup.py)
[09:03] <Treenaks> WTF? klibc? the KDE people thought glibc was the Gnome libc?
[09:07] <Lathiat> Treenaks: its a minimal libc subset for use with early user sapce
[09:07] <Treenaks> Lathiat: ah, like uclibc
[09:07] <Lathiat> not really
[09:07] <Treenaks> that's a minimal libc :)
[09:08] <Lathiat> its more of a subset, specifically to provide enough for early user space stuff
[09:08] <Treenaks> ah
[09:08] <Lathiat> uclibc tends to implement most stuff
[09:08] <Lathiat> not sure hwo far klibc goes
[09:08] <Treenaks> yes, and there are tools to strip the unused functions given a set of binaries that use the lib
[09:08] <Treenaks> or something
[09:08] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:08] <Lathiat> 'static linking'? ")
[09:08] <Lathiat> :)
[09:09] <Treenaks> no
[09:09] <Treenaks> it really modifies the .so
[09:09] <Lathiat> (i was joking)
[09:09] <Treenaks> I did that once when I was installing Linux on some old SMC AP
[09:09] <Treenaks> (don't ask :))
[09:09] <Lathiat> heh cool
[09:09] <Treenaks> it had 2M of memory
[09:10] <HostingGeek> WTF? klibc? Treenaks thought klibc was the KDE libc?
[09:10] <HostingGeek> :P
[09:10] <HostingGeek> Treenaks: Its the bloatware libc
[09:12] <Treenaks> HostingGeek: of course I didn't think that.. *sigh*
[09:20] <|QuaD-_> HostingGeek: what hosting company you own?
[09:22] <HostingGeek> |QuaD-_: why do you ask?
[09:22] <|QuaD-_> HostingGeek: i am always looking for a new hosting company :)
[09:22] <HostingGeek> |QuaD-_: vhcshosting.com
[09:24] <|QuaD-_> HostingGeek: ok
[09:24] <HostingGeek> ahh lag...
[09:25] <|QuaD-_> HostingGeek: no vds?
[09:26] <HostingGeek> |QuaD-_: no
[09:26] <HostingGeek> |QuaD-_: dedicated server @ savvis
[09:27] <|QuaD-_> HostingGeek: i meant offering :)
[09:27] <HostingGeek> |QuaD-_: Not for free... and not on the free server
[09:27] <|QuaD-_> oh, i didn't even realize it was free :)
[09:27] <HostingGeek> free server == server used for free hosting
[09:27] <|QuaD-_> HostingGeek: pm
[09:27] <HostingGeek> |QuaD-_: lol look at the reviews: http://www.clickherefree.com/hosting-free/details.php?id=2022
[09:28] <Lathiat> yeh like those sites are ever credible
[09:32] <ivoks> hi
[09:35] <HostingGeek> WooHoo 7 clicks in adsense today!
[09:36] <HostingGeek> and in the morning there was only 1
[10:24] <ivoks> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CxxLibraryList
[10:24] <ivoks> i did my share for today :)
[11:03] <GheRivero> res
[11:25] <mdke> hi dudes
[11:25] <mdke> i came in here yesterday to suggest a package for universe
[11:26] <mdke> just spoke to the author, and he said that he would be happy to give up packaging it if one of you wanted to do it on a more format basis
[11:26] <siretart> hi
[11:26] <mdke> format/formal
[11:26] <mdke> hi there
[11:27] <siretart> mdke: which package?
[11:27] <mdke> it is a update-rc.d frontend
[11:27] <mdke> ici: http://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubm.html
[11:27] <Burgundavia> taht the forum one?
[11:27] <siretart> hi Burgundavia
[11:27] <mdke> Burgundavia, its on the forum, not sure if its the forum one
[11:27] <Burgundavia> yes, it is
[11:27] <mdke> you use it burgs?
[11:28] <Burgundavia> no, just was talking with ogra about it
[11:28] <mdke> what was the conclusion?
[11:28] <Burgundavia> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27740
[11:28] <Burgundavia> too much info
[11:28] <Burgundavia> ogra Burgundavia, yep, i know the tool
[11:28] <Burgundavia> ogra azeem, to many options
[11:28] <Burgundavia> ogra azeem, (in the tool)
[11:28] <mdke> any feedback to the author would be appreciated I'm sure
[11:29] <Burgundavia> it would be nice if we could bring him in
[11:29] <Burgundavia> as a reach out to the community type of thing
[11:29] <Burgundavia> bridge the forum, dev divide
[11:29] <mdke> he is a nice guy
[11:29] <mdke> about the most frequent poster to the italian ML
[11:30] <Burgundavia> hmm, is built on perl
[11:30] <ogra> mdke, i'll have to write a spec for that tool, a draft of what we awnt is on http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalConfigTools
[11:30] <mdke> yes
[11:30] <mdke> hi ogra
[11:30] <mdke> hmm
[11:30] <tseng> hi ogra
[11:31] <mdke> so you have a similar tool already?
[11:33] <koke> ogra: my suggestion for GraphicalConfigTools, please use system-tools-backends :)
[11:33] <ogra> hey tseng
[11:33] <ogra> koke, where i can avoid that i wont :)
[11:33] <tseng> ogra: we kicked ass on mono yesterday
[11:34] <ogra> koke, but if you love to work on changing the awful perl code....
[11:34] <mdke> ogra, ok that spec doesn't look much like his program ;) I would tend to say, the program is there, if someone wants to take over the packaging and put it in universe, then that's cool. If not, np
[11:34] <ogra> tseng, yay
[11:34] <tseng> monodevelop was working for awhile
[11:34] <mdke> ogra, but you could contact him about it
[11:34] <ogra> mdke, thats why i already put it on UniverseCandidates two weeks ago...
[11:35] <mdke> ogra, ok sorry man
[11:35] <mdke> ogra, i wasn't to know
[11:35] <mdke> i'll tell the guy who writes it
[11:36] <ogra> mdke, abelli poked me several times about it (twice a day for about a week)
[11:36] <mdke> i bet
[11:36] <mdke> ok
[11:39] <mdke> i'm off
[11:39] <mdke> thanks guys
[11:42] <koke> ogra: I've just looked at the s-t-b perl scripts, and.... I agree 100% with you :D
[11:43] <ogra> heh
[11:44] <ogra> koke, but the plan is to probably make some bountys of it, so probably working for money on it might not be this bad :) lets see...
[11:45] <koke> hmmm... bounties... :)
[12:12] <janm> hi all!
[12:12] <Burgundavia> what is the issue with gwet and gwet2?
[12:21] <HostingGeek> hmm
[12:25] <ogra_d> isnt gwget gtk1 ?
[12:25] <ivoks> hi
[12:30] <Burgundavia> no
[12:31] <Burgundavia> gwget is the latest version of gwget
[12:31] <Burgundavia> they both appear to be the same app
[12:31] <ivoks> ?
[12:31] <Burgundavia> just gwget is an older version
[12:31] <ivoks> monolog? :)
[01:22] <jbailey> Treenaks, Lathiat: uclibc still aims to be posix compliant.  klibc does not.
[01:22] <jbailey> klibc is targeted at being included in the kernel, violates all sorts of elf linking semantics, and implements only just enough of everything in order to make early userspace happen.
[01:26] <ivoks> hello doko :)
[01:29] <doko> ivoks: hi
[01:39] <ajmitch_> hi
[01:40] <koke> http://155.210.13.152/~koke/Devel/ubuntu/universe-transition/result/abcmidi.debdiff.diff
[01:40] <koke> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=288770
[01:40] <ivoks> is there a problem if i repackage one package from main?
[01:40] <ivoks> i really hate how kernel-package is packaged
[01:43] <thom> please don't fuck with kernel-package, it's kinda critical
[02:00] <koke> ouchh! kill me, my auto-patch scripts are not valid :(
[02:00] <koke> they patch the sources directly, when it should be a dpatch
[02:01] <koke> anyway I'll have a list of which patches apply cleanly
[02:01] <koke> and a repository of patches
[03:07] <DanielN> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[03:07] <DanielN> found eof where expected more change data or trailer at /usr/lib/dpkg/parsechangelog/debian line 136, <STDIN> line 5.
[03:07] <DanielN> dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package
[03:07] <DanielN> anybody knows what this means?
[03:08] <siretart> sounds like more severe damage
[03:08] <Treenaks> that your debian/changelog is broken
[03:08] <DanielN> mhm
[03:08] <DanielN> but I'm using the given template
[03:08] <siretart> DanielN: use dch(1) for editing debian/changelog
[03:08] <ogra> DanielN, use dch
[03:08] <DanielN> ok
[03:08] <Lathiat> dch good
[03:08] <Lathiat> i only found it when teuf showed me at lca
[03:09] <Lathiat> i knew there had to be someting that did it because all the times always had second accuracy i just never bothered to look. :P)
[03:09] <DanielN> hm, but dch prints out the same err msg
[03:31] <DanielN> another question: can I make the gpg signing manually, when it's failed?
[03:33] <jamessan|work> DanielN: debsign
[03:33] <DanielN> thanks
[04:12] <HiddenWolf> hey guys, what's the state of xfce in universe?
[04:13] <ogra> its working fine
[04:13] <HiddenWolf> is 4.3?(is it) in?
[04:16] <DanielN> harhar.. first package built.. working fine :)
[04:16] <ogra> HiddenWolf, 4.2.1 afaik....
[04:16] <ogra> HiddenWolf, 4.3 will be breezy
[04:16] <HiddenWolf> hm, I'm anxious for 4.3, and a breezy stable enough to dare switch :)
[04:17] <ogra> HiddenWolf, but rather ask crimsun if hes around again, he manages the Xfce team
[04:17] <ogra> breezy will break baly tomorrow...
[04:17] <ogra> badly even
[04:20] <Lathiat> what are you doing ogra :)
[04:21] <HiddenWolf> c++?
[04:21] <ogra> Lathiat, breaking all the c++ libs..... not me though
[04:22] <HiddenWolf> ogra, I hope we've got some devels with a hoary system then. ;)
[04:22] <ogra> nope, but hopefully some devs that dont use kubuntu ;)
[04:23] <ogra> if you only do upgrades and no dist-upgrades it will work...
[04:23] <thom> the developers don't generally ARE WE THERE YET apt-get as badly as the users ;-)
[04:23] <Amaranth> thom: I resent that.
[04:23] <HiddenWolf> poor sods, I bet the channel will flood with poor sods tomorrow.
[04:23] <ogra> heh...
[04:23] <thom> Amaranth: "resemble" ;-)
[04:24] <Amaranth> I have no problems with all my C++ being removed, except vlc. :)
[04:24] <chmj> http://www.lyrical.nl/song/5713
[04:24] <Amaranth> update-manager only does upgrade, right?
[04:24] <ogra> yep
[04:25] <Amaranth> since it's meant for security stuff
[04:25] <Amaranth> and *-updates stuff, i guess
[04:28] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:35] <ivoks> hi hay :)
[04:36] <GheRivero> res
[04:42] <ivoks> panic in windows world... new virus :)
[04:42] <HiddenWolf> ivoks, new species of sophur?
[04:43] <ivoks> Newheur-PE
[04:43] <ivoks> and
[04:43] <ivoks> Win32.Worm.Eyeveg.F
[04:43] <tseng|work> hi
[04:43] <ivoks> i don't know what they are, but nod32 is the only one detecting them
[04:44] <ivoks> so, i don't care :)
[04:45] <ivoks> http://sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32eyevegg.html
[04:52] <HiddenWolf> hah, i wish they'd invent something new
[04:53] <HiddenWolf> have it use email, and wifi :)
[04:53] <HiddenWolf> it'd bounce through the air, literally
[04:53] <HiddenWolf> I'm sure it's possible. :P
[05:36] <koke> I have serious problems with the UniverseCxxTransition page
[05:36] <koke> firefox and w3m crash when editing :(
[05:39] <Lathiat> ive had lots of firefox crashes recently
[07:19] <herve> hi!
[07:21] <Amaranth> hi
[07:21] <bddebian> Heya herve
[07:32] <herve> did you make the right choice? http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php
[07:32] <herve> :-)
[07:35] <ogra_d> herve, my first choice seems to be debian....my second is ubuntu it says....
[07:36] <ogra_d> ubuntu is missing the logo :-/
[07:36] <herve> ogra, so you made the right choice :-)
[07:36] <ogra_d> heh
[07:38] <thom> herve: are you writing that page?
[07:39] <thom> becuase i told it "dev tools easily available" and it said Failed these criterias:
[07:39] <thom> # Does not include development tools
[07:39] <thom> for ubuntu
[07:39] <herve> ogra, me too :-)
[07:39] <herve> thom, no, just found it in a news site
[07:39] <abarbaccia> what's the deal with the mono team right now - beagle package still needs to have dependencies built in
[07:39] <herve> strange, I chose easily available development tools
[07:40] <ogra> abarbaccia, please see the topic
[07:40] <herve> but when, once you choose a free distro with apt-get, etc.
[07:40] <herve> it gives you debian/ubuntu
[07:40] <herve> ogra_d, I have the ubuntu logo
[07:43] <Amaranth> ha, i told it i didn't care about the package manager and i still got debian and ubuntu
[07:43] <Amaranth> and it basically told me about every major distro out there
[07:43] <herve> Amaranth, all your base are belong to ubuntu! :-)
[07:44] <herve> ogra, I guess you're tracking the mono uploads in debian?
[07:44] <ogra> herve, tseng does
[07:45] <thom> what's still needed for monodevelop?
[07:45] <herve> raise your arm for an omelette
[07:46] <herve> so I know how many eggs I have to break :-)
[07:46] <koke> where can I get a popcon list??
[07:46] <koke> to sort a list of packages to be fixed??
[07:46] <thom> koke: popcon.ubuntu.com?
[07:46] <ogra> popcon.ubuntu.com ?
[07:46] <koke> oh! thanks :)
[07:47] <koke> I should try the obvious choice more often
[07:47] <ogra> popcon really should get derooted and get a gui....
[07:48] <thom> it doesn't need a gui, besides the one to say "enable popcon y/n"
[07:49] <Amaranth> does anyone know where i can get libwxgtk2.5-dev?
[07:49] <ogra> thats what i mean... a .desktop file with a nifty icon...
[07:49] <thom> and it runs as nobody
[07:49] <thom>   HOME=/tmp su nobody -pc "sh -c /usr/sbin/popularity-contest"
[07:50] <Amaranth> err, libwxgtk2.5-dev is in hoary but not breezy?
[07:57] <abarbaccia> orga did not see that there!! sorry bout that
[08:02] <koke> I'm a bit lost in transition :)
[08:02] <koke> what should I do whith UniverseCxxTransition?
[08:02] <koke> I *need* to fix something :)
[08:04] <Amaranth> koke: You've been around seb128 too long.
[08:05] <DanielN> question: is there only gpl'ed software in universe?
[08:05] <Amaranth> no
[08:06] <DanielN> then it's possible to add a BSD licensed programm, for e.g?
[08:07] <Amaranth> I don't see why not.
[08:08] <DanielN> ok
[08:08] <koke> bye
[08:08] <koke> out of bettery
[08:08] <koke> :(
[08:23] <herve> Amaranth, do you still need info about libwxgtk2.5-dev?
[08:23] <Amaranth> herve: yeah
[08:24] <herve> wx 2.5 was removed from unstable
[08:24] <herve> dangerous crap conflicting with 2.4
[08:24] <herve> and a nice flamewar on debian-devel :-)
[08:24] <Amaranth> link to said flame war? :)
[08:24] <herve> search "outragous maintainer"
[08:25] <herve> removed from unstable, I mean removed from the debian archives
[08:25] <herve> by the ftpmasters
[08:25] <Amaranth> so why is it removed from breezy?
[08:25] <herve> or just wxWidgets
[08:25] <herve> because of sync?
[08:25] <herve> because elmo reads debian-devel? :-)
[08:27] <Amaranth> bleh, why do we care about 2.4?
[08:28] <herve> because of the many packages using it
[08:30] <Amaranth> so why not add a Conflicts?
[08:31] <herve> ask the maintainer
[08:31] <herve> that was the start of the flamewar
[08:31] <herve> no, in fact
[08:31] <herve> the flamewar begins in a bugreport
[08:31] <herve> about asking to add the Conflicts
[08:32] <Amaranth> i mean why can't we have a Conflicts in the Ubuntu version?
[08:35] <Amaranth> 'Ubuntu and its "appropriation" of Debian maintainers'
[08:41] <DanielN> Packaged "when" and "qemu-launcher"
[08:42] <Amaranth> when?
[08:42] <herve> batteries...
[08:43] <ivoks> herve :)
[08:43] <herve> yo ivoks!
[08:43] <DanielN> when - simple calendar
[08:44] <herve> DanielN, I didn't get your point about GPL'ed programs in universe
[08:44] <Amaranth> herve: So, where can I get wx2.5 packages then? :)
[08:44] <ivoks> hm...
[08:44] <herve> koke, batteries too? :-)
[08:44] <ivoks> what a bunch of idiots...
[08:44] <herve> Amaranth, use the source Luke ;-)
[08:44] <ivoks> "you destroyed our server, we can't print anymore"
[08:44] <ivoks> idiots...
[08:44] <Amaranth> err, where are the source packages? :)
[08:44] <DanielN> herve: I asked if there are non gpl'ed programs in universe
[08:45] <koke> herve: I got some power :)
[08:45] <herve> DanielN, haaaaa I missed the "non"!
[08:45] <ivoks> they were printing over IPP directly to printer... idiots... and he has MS certificats for system administrator...
[08:45] <koke> what do you think about http://pastebin.com/285256 ??
[08:45] <herve> koke, me too! too late sadly...
[08:45] <koke> it worths an upload??
[08:45] <DanielN> herve: :-)
[08:45] <herve> ivoks, the printer ran out of memory? crashed? burnt?
[08:46] <ivoks> herve no... stoopid osx has serius problems with stability
[08:46] <herve> koke, harmless and useful, upload and send the patch where appriopriate
[08:46] <herve> (appropriate)
[08:46] <ivoks> today was sooooo hot in zagreb
[08:47] <herve> ivoks, and they thought that was the server down?
[08:47] <ivoks> i got angry, went to the store and buyed new pants... this one on me were totaly wett :(
[08:47] <herve> :-)
[08:47] <herve> I'd the sun to come out here in Grenoble
[08:47] <herve> +like
[08:47] <ivoks> herve no... server is up... they tought server did something to mac and make him unable to print
[08:47] <herve> ivoks, baaad bad server!
[08:47] <herve> ivoks, looks like a new entry to the BOFH!
[08:48] <ivoks> i wouldn't say anything if some guy tells me stuff like that
[08:48] <ivoks> but, MSCE
[08:48] <ivoks> brainwashed
[08:48] <herve> well, you didn't expect a MSCE guy to get a clue about MacOSX? ;-)
[08:49] <ivoks> herve no, but how can MSCE guy be so dumb to tell linux did something to osx and this one can't print anymore
[08:49] <ivoks> same guy told me that microsoft invented TCP/IP
[08:50] <ivoks> what do they learn them on that courses? :)
[08:50] <herve> you told it, brainwashed
[08:50] <ivoks> somethimes i think that MSCE really don't know what Windows can do...
[08:52] <ivoks> omg does anyone uses bacula backup system?
[08:52] <ivoks> or even reads posts on bcaula user list?
[08:53] <ivoks> no...
[08:53] <ivoks> ?
[08:53] <ivoks> too bad, there are some really funny stuff going on :)
[08:54] <siretart> ivoks: nope, but why?
[08:55] <ivoks> one guy said that bacula isn't backup system for production
[08:56] <ivoks> when someone asked him why
[08:56] <ivoks> he said it can't restore files
[08:56] <ivoks> omg :)
[08:57] <koke> ouch! REJECTED, uploads to hoary are not allowed :)
[08:57] <herve> koke, hoary-updates?
[08:57] <koke> no, hoary
[08:57] <herve> what did you expect then? :-)
[08:57] <koke> I missed to change the distribution
[08:57] <ogra> herve, all hoary uploads have to be processed manually....
[08:57] <herve> ha ok
[08:58] <koke> I know, it was for breezy
[08:58] <ogra> :)
[08:58] <ivoks> so...
[08:58] <ivoks> would anyone review that wifi-radar?
[08:58] <herve> ivoks, what changed?
[08:58] <ivoks> nothing :)
[08:58] <ivoks> it just waits for approval :)
[08:59] <herve> did I finished reviewing it...
[08:59] <ivoks> i'm going to die of old age before my package get's uploaded
[08:59] <ivoks> herve you did, but shouldn't couple of motus review it?
[09:00] <herve> come on, time needs time (French proverb)
[09:00] <herve> ivoks, another couple, yes
[09:00] <ivoks> brb
[09:01] <siretart> I prepared yesterday an updated package for keychain, and put it to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToReview. Is anyone looking at that page or should I rather ping maintainers for reviewing?
[09:01] <herve> both
[09:02] <herve> if some are online, take your chance
[09:02] <koke> uploads already auto-close bugs in malone??
[09:03] <siretart> ok. will do
[09:09] <koke> have to go, see u
[09:17] <herve> do you get the same problem of gnome hanging when you log out?
[09:20] <ivoks> heh
[09:20] <ivoks> i have problem that suspend to sleep doesn't work on 2.6.12 :(
[09:21] <herve> I won't trust 2.6.12 as long as it's not released stable and packaged in main :-)
[09:21] <siretart> AOL :)
[09:22] <herve> how do you get the latest bugs entered in bugzilla?
[09:22] <herve> when do we have an rss export, too? :-)
[09:23] <ivoks> heh... and 2.6.11 is usless for my laptop :(
[09:23] <ivoks> back to the old 2.6.10
[09:23] <siretart> ivoks: whats bad about 2.6.10?
[09:24] <ivoks> dpkg-gencontrol: error: package kernel-image-2.6.10 not in control info
[09:24] <ivoks> god, how i hate kernel-package in ubuntu
[09:24] <ivoks> siretart nothing much
[09:25] <herve> ivoks, what about it? you were trying to compile linux-image-2.6.10?
[09:25] <ivoks> i know how to...
[09:25] <ivoks> but that should be default
[09:25] <ivoks> not kernel-image
[09:26] <herve> send a patch ;-)
[09:26] <ivoks> maybe i will
[09:26] <ivoks> i downloaded source allready
[09:26] <ivoks> it seems like i should send a patch for mozilla-firefox source, too
[09:27] <thom> ivoks: oh?
[09:27] <ivoks> thom ;)
[09:27] <ivoks> thom for that vendorSub
[09:28] <herve> ivoks, 1.0.4 was uploaded
[09:28] <ivoks> really?
[09:28] <herve> but I don't know if it passed the buildds
[09:28] <ivoks> herve to hoary?
[09:28] <herve> well, no
[09:28] <herve> hoary is rock-solid
[09:28] <thom> ivoks: no, don't bother. i've got a patch for that already
[09:28] <ivoks> well, hoary is problem
[09:28] <ivoks> thom ok
[09:29] <ivoks> nice to hear that...
[09:29] <thom> ivoks: no new upload till the 1.0.4 vulns are actually released on wednesday
[09:29] <ivoks> ok
[09:29] <herve> thom, so you intend to push firefox 1.0.4 into hoary?
[09:29] <thom> herve: no
[09:29] <ivoks> herve no
[09:29] <ivoks> just patch for 1.0.2
[09:29] <ivoks> right?
[09:30] <herve> just make it up like a 1.0.4?
[09:30] <thom> yes
[09:30] <ivoks> ubuntu's firefox will lie like a bi..tch
[09:30] <herve> not that much
[09:30] <ivoks> it will be 1.0.4, it will say to you it's 1.0.2
[09:30] <thom> herve: no, just take the security patches and apply them to 1.0.4, then change the version we advertise
[09:30] <herve> it has the patches updates.mozilla.org is whining to have
[09:30] <ivoks> and behind ur back it will talk that she's acctually 1.0.4 :)
[09:30] <thom> we're missing all the feature changes, thank god
[09:31] <herve> thom, apply them to 1.0.2 you mean?
[09:31] <thom> uh, yeah
[09:31] <herve> ok, I get it
[09:31] <herve> really no exception allowed
[09:31] <herve> just cheating to the annoying website ;-)
[09:32] <thom> yep
[09:32] <ivoks> thom is mozilla suite in same problems?
[09:33] <ivoks> i don't understand something...
[09:33] <ivoks> wherever I go, and have to choose contry
[09:34] <ivoks> it's allways Italy, France, Germany, etc..
[09:34] <thom> ivoks: no-one has mentioned it happening on suite
[09:34] <ivoks> but Croatia is allways Croatia/Hrvatska or Croatia (Hrvatska)
[09:34] <ivoks> thom ok
[09:35] <herve> ivoks, what about it?
[09:35] <ivoks> why two names? :)
[09:36] <herve> what is Hrvatska?
[09:36] <ivoks> Croatian name for Croatia
[09:36] <ivoks> like Deutschland for Germany
[09:36] <ivoks> or Osterich for Austria
[09:36] <herve> yes, yes :-)
[09:36] <herve> there you se
[09:36] <herve> e
[09:36] <herve> why it is useful :-)
[09:37] <ivoks> herve were you in croatia?
[09:37] <ivoks> or you thom ?
[09:37] <herve> no, but I was told it's really nice
[09:37] <herve> I should go some day
[09:37] <ivoks> you should
[09:37] <thom> hrm? no, never
[09:37] <herve> just for vacations :-)
[09:38] <ivoks> for vacations, ofcourse
[09:38] <ogra> thom, go there, its worth it :)
[09:38] <ivoks> ogra you have been here? :)
[09:38] <thom> ogra: it's on the list
[09:38] <ivoks> and?
[09:38] <ogra> 1987
[09:38] <ivoks> that's long time ago
[09:38] <ogra> the village i lived in wont exist anymore...
[09:39] <ivoks> :(
[09:39] <ivoks> there are many villages like that one... :(
[09:39] <ogra> it was between knin and drnis, the frontline was there somewhere
[09:39] <ivoks> even citys :(
[09:39] <ivoks> ogra nice
[09:40] <ivoks> lot's of donkeys :)
[09:40] <herve> ogra, how old are you, if not too intimate
[09:40] <ogra> yep, very beautiful and nice people there
[09:40] <ogra> 35
[09:40] <ivoks> ogra go to Dubrovnik
[09:40] <ivoks> best looking girls live there
[09:40] <ivoks> and, that's not a joke
[09:40] <ogra> i was 17 and drove to turkey with my 7HP motobike :)
[09:40] <ivoks> that's becuse the way they live
[09:40] <ogra> i was in dubrovnik ;)
[09:41] <ivoks> you know that dubrovnik was bombed too?
[09:41] <ogra> yep
[09:41] <ivoks> that beautifull, old, old town :(
[09:41] <ivoks> you know that guy who orderd that...
[09:41] <ogra> yep, silly humans
[09:41] <ivoks> was released, as not guilty? :)
[09:42] <ogra> silly humans, as i said....
[09:42] <ivoks> very sad part of histroy
[09:42] <ivoks> we could've spilt nice, like chezh and slovaks
[09:42] <ogra> yep
[09:42] <ivoks> but no... some brainded man was on the wrong place in wrong time...
[09:43] <ivoks> he started 4 wars in 10 years :) break that record :))
[09:43] <ogra> hmm, does the bush family count ?
[09:43] <ivoks> hehehe
[09:43] <therning> isn't it a bit more complicated than that? "wrong man in wrong place"
[09:44] <ivoks> ogra, no, they aren't from this planet :)
[09:44] <ogra> heh
[09:44] <ivoks> therning what do you mean?
[09:44] <ogra> therning, sure, but you can boil it down to that...
[09:44] <ogra> ivoks, there is more involved then only one man to run a war...
[09:45] <therning> well, the previous leader spent years mixing up the country, moving people around, then you have the fact that the country has so many religions
[09:45] <ivoks> ogra ofcourse
[09:45] <ivoks> therning what country?
[09:45] <therning> Yugoslavia
[09:45] <ivoks> well... mixing didn't start in yugoslavia
[09:45] <ivoks> it started a long long time ago
[09:45] <therning> how do you mean?
[09:45] <ivoks> bosnia and croatia were on country
[09:46] <ivoks> called croatia
[09:46] <ivoks> then Islam kingdom camed
[09:46] <ivoks> and conquerd all the balkans
[09:46] <ivoks> serbs moved a cross bosnia to croatia
[09:46] <therning> yes, but didn't Tito has an explicit strategy of moving people of different origins arond in the country to make sure Yugoslavia wouldn't split?
[09:46] <ivoks> bosnia was taken by islam kingdon
[09:46] <ivoks> therning no
[09:46] <therning> kind of like what was tried in Soviet as well?
[09:46] <ivoks> therning noone moved in yugoslavia
[09:47] <ivoks> islam conquerd 4/5 of croatia
[09:47] <ivoks> but then we managed to reclaim most of our land, never bosnia
[09:47] <therning> islam, the religion, or an islamic country?
[09:47] <ivoks> and some parts that are now in serbia...
[09:48] <ivoks> country
[09:48] <ivoks> big kingdom
[09:48] <ivoks> from eruope to india
[09:48] <Nafallo> russia!
[09:48] <therning> so, what times are we talking about now? Tito times, or long before that?
[09:48] <ivoks> :)
[09:48] <Nafallo> ?
[09:48] <ivoks> long before
[09:48] <ogra> therning, long before
[09:48] <ivoks> 1700 and begining of 1800s
[09:48] <ivoks> then was end
[09:49] <ivoks> they were so long here that lot of population took islam religion
[09:49] <ivoks> so, you have muslims in bosnia that came from croatia and serbia
[09:49] <ivoks> some didn't convert and you have three religions there
[09:49] <ivoks> very messed up country
[09:50] <ivoks> tito did move some people... but not nations... he just put his men on top positions to easily rull the country
[09:50] <therning> no, not really messed up, slightly confused, that's all... messed up people in power though
[09:51] <ivoks> therning problem is that bosina, as state, never existed
[09:51] <ivoks> after islam kingodm
[09:51] <herve> chocolate, anyone?
[09:51] <ivoks> it was part of austro-hungaryan kingdom
[09:51] <ivoks> as croatia too
[09:51] <ivoks> then comes that very sad story about WWII
[09:52] <ivoks> you can't imagine how that was mesed up here..
[09:52] <ivoks> in germany, you had nazis
[09:52] <therning> no, I don't think I can
[09:52] <ivoks> in UK, were alies
[09:52] <ivoks> but here..
[09:52] <therning> I've lived most of my life in a European country that hasn't been to war for more than a century
[09:52] <ivoks> some were nazis, some alies, some didn't know what to do at all :)
[09:53] <ivoks> therning sweeden? :)
[09:53] <therning> yupp
[09:53] <ivoks> nice country..
[09:53] <ivoks> but, i don't like to move
[09:54] <ozamosi> therning, werent we at war with san marino or something up untill a few years ago because we forgott to declare peace some time long ago?
[09:54] <ivoks> i like croatia... very nice people, land...
[09:54] <ivoks> :)))
[09:54] <ivoks> san marino? :)
[09:54] <ozamosi> not sure...
[09:55] <therning> No: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=472835
[09:55] <ozamosi> Just checked myself, and found out too that i was wrong
[09:56] <therning> well, I really didn't come here to discuss history though :)
[09:56] <herve> that's ubuntu ;-)
[09:56] <herve> and share of knowledge
[09:57] <therning> ah yes...
[09:57] <therning> I was a bit curious about MOTU
[09:57] <ozamosi> I am what I am because of what we all are, and we all are apparently not at war with san marino :)
[09:58] <herve> ozamosi, lol
[09:59] <herve> therning, motu: we fix the universe and remake the world!
[09:59] <therning> yes... I know :)
[09:59] <therning> I've been looking up the procedure for joining
[10:00] <ivoks_> that broken, broken, broken 2.6.12 :(
[10:00] <therning> I have a few packages that I keep in an APT repo, once upon a time I considered trying to become a Debian Maintainer, but the entrance was a bit too time consuming
[10:00] <herve> well, does "remake the world" means what I expect...
[10:01] <herve> therning, we like existing packages maintainers too ;-)
[10:01] <ogra> we also make the universe expand ! :)
[10:01] <therning> I never went through with it... too much work to join Debian properly
[10:01] <ogra> ...are we god ??
[10:01] <ogra> ;)
[10:02] <ogra> therning, so this is the right place for you :)
[10:02] <herve> ogra, no, just building highways across space :-)
[10:02] <therning> it looked like MOTU was a bit easier, and since I'm using Ubuntu now it'd be a better fit I guess
[10:02] <ogra> hehe
[10:02] <ogra> therning, yeah, its quite easy to become a motu
[10:03] <herve> well, when you have a proper key ;-)
[10:03] <ogra> the easieast is to help in a transiton and the rest happens all alone....
[10:03] <therning> proper key? I assume you mean GPG key?
[10:03] <herve> therning, yes
[10:03] <therning> transition?
[10:03] <herve> ogra, well, member -> maintainer -> motu
[10:04] <herve> therning, we are moving to gcc and g++ 4.0
[10:04] <ogra> herve, except you are tritium ;)
[10:04] <herve> this breaks many libs and packages
[10:04] <therning> ah, yes, I was reading about that on the ubuntu-dev list
[10:04] <ogra> herve, he made it the other way around, its obviously possible *g*
[10:05] <herve> ogra, speaking of that, daniel considered me a motu before my key issue was solved
[10:05] <herve> I still don't know if I'm registred as one in some record :-)
[10:05] <siretart> ogra: do you have time to review 2 packages? one is a simple one, just a dependency correction (keychain) and the other one is a CXXTransistion
[10:06] <ogra> therning, the transitions we do (python for hoary and gcc/++4 for breezy) are mostly just doing rebuilds of the packages and change some minor stuf, so its the easiest way to get familiar with packaging
[10:06] <herve> therning, we have nice tool but they require a learning step
[10:06] <herve> toolzzz
[10:06] <therning> I'm pretty familiar to packaging already though
[10:07] <ogra> siretart, my GF just cooks for me, it'll have to wait a bit, but i'll look at least at one after dinner...
[10:07] <siretart> alright :)
[10:07] <herve> therning, we don't mean building backports :-p
[10:07] <ogra> siretart, urls are on the wiki?
[10:07] <therning> if there are some good pointers for dpatch it'd be helpful... I've run across it a few times, and find it somewhat confusing
[10:08] <herve> therning, yes, wait a few secs
[10:08] <herve> therning, http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[10:09] <therning> I've packaged a few pieces of software, python packages and software using auto-tools for building, mostly using CDDBS
[10:09] <herve> afterwards, ask here
[10:09] <herve> we'll guide you
[10:10] <siretart> ogra: yepp
[10:10] <therning> sounds good to me...
[10:10] <ogra> therning, if we teach people packaging we start with using plain debhelper packaged packages to get the basics, but the target is to make more use of cdbs (you dont learn packaging through it, but maintenance is very easy) which makes dpatch a important tool
[10:10] <ogra> siretart, great :)
[10:10] <siretart> oh, poker3d is missing
[10:10] <siretart> just a moment
[10:10] <thom> please don't teach people cdbs until they actually know what they're doing properly
[10:10] <thom> *please*
[10:10] <ogra> thom, what ? isnt maintenance easier with cdbs ?
[10:11] <thom> ogra: personally i think it's about a 1000% harder
[10:11] <herve> thom, I think that's what ogra meant
[10:11] <therning> I did use plain debhelper for my first packaging project... once I tried CDBS I didn't look back though
[10:11] <herve> siretart, hmm... someone spoke about it yesterday, isn't it already booked?
[10:11] <ogra> i dont use cdbs , but i give tribute to dholbach who is addited to it ;)
[10:12] <thom> ogra: as soon as you need to do something complex, you have neither the tools nor the indepth knowledge to do it, and then you're just hosed. if people wish to use cdbs, fine. but don't teach anything but debhelper, please
[10:12] <herve> well, he is addicted to harry potter too ;-)
[10:12] <thom> please :-)
[10:12] <ogra> therning, it often occurs that you get packages tat were packaged with dh before, are now cdbs and didnt get repackaged clean, so you have to know both
[10:12] <therning> thom: any example of what's too complex for CDBS?
[10:12] <ogra> thom, ok...
[10:13] <siretart> herve: I havn't found anything im my backlog
[10:13] <thom> therning: not too complex, but just hard especially when it's all make magic
[10:13] <therning> ogra: good point
[10:13] <ogra> thom, i'm absolutely with you, bt convincing dholbach, seb128 or jbailey isnt easy though
[10:13] <herve> siretart, maybe you weren't here ;-)
[10:13] <herve> ivoks, do you remember who was talking about poker3d? except the two of us :-)
[10:13] <thom> therning: cdbs is like perl in many way
[10:14] <thom> it's ugly as hell, lots of people like it, and no-one really understands what's going on *grin*
[10:14] <therning> well, I'm a strong believer in the right tool for the job...
[10:15] <therning> CDBS might be theright tool at times
[10:15] <herve> when there are no special cases, first?
[10:15] <thom> i have nothing against people using it
[10:15] <thom> don't get me wrong
[10:15] <jbailey> thom: Err.  I don't think I've ever heard someone describe the rules files used when using cdbs as ugly.  Or do you mean internally?
[10:15] <thom> i just don't think you should teach it to people
[10:16] <thom> jbailey: internally, and when you start overriding targets it's not always pleasant
[10:16] <thom> the perl comment is rather tongue in cheeck
[10:16] <therning> so, any pointers of what's needed for universe at the moment?
[10:16] <thom> ber, cheek
[10:16] <therning> perl is tongue-in-cheek :)
[10:16] <herve> therning, the cxx transhumance is our main concern for now
[10:17] <jbailey> thom: It's okay, thinking about perl will rot your brain.  Those are just the symptoms showing up. =)
[10:17] <siretart> oh yes, the fun with makefiles..
[10:17] <herve> otherwise, it's malone bugs fixing
[10:17] <herve> therning, you'll work on a package, then find a maintainer to review and upload it
[10:17] <thom> jbailey: *g*
[10:18] <therning> is the work co-ordinated through the wiki? I just need a starting point
[10:18] <ogra> therning, yep
[10:18] <herve> therning, we try as hard as possible :-)
[10:19] <therning> MOTU pages on the Wiki?
[10:19] <jbailey> thom: Ultimately, I'd like cdbs to be as acceptible as debhelper is.  Given that people who use it tend to find it eases their maintenance burden, I'd prefer to find ways to address your concerns rather than actively discouraging people from teaching it.
[10:19] <herve> sure
[10:19] <herve> search things like "motu", "transition"
[10:20] <thom> jbailey: meh; i've always been of the opinion that it's *far* better to teach the underlying tools than a frontend
[10:20] <thom> jbailey: this is more of the same
[10:20] <herve> jbailey, I just remember you are the author... :-)
[10:20] <jbailey> thom: Sure, but then you advocate using debhelper. ;)
[10:20] <jbailey> herve: Oh sure.  I own up to that.  But that's part of why I chime in and try to make sure that the tool is working for everyone.  It doesn't do anyone any good if it rots.
[10:22] <jbailey> herve: I can assure you that I have no hidden agenda about cdbs.  I'd like everyone to use it, and I'd like it to be good enough for everything. =)
[10:22] <ogra> therning, you are signed by Martin Pool, so your key isnt something to worry about, great :)
[10:22] <siretart> jbailey: how coming cdbs2 along?
[10:22] <thom> jbailey: *shrug*; cdbs is "just" a frontend to debhelper isn't it? ;-) i think dh_* is a reasonable balance between dpkg-dev'ing and cdbs, you still appreciate the structure and exactly what's going on, whilst staying high level enough that you don't get bogged in the details unless you want to
[10:22] <thom> (and yes, i know that's mildly contradictory)
[10:22] <jbailey> siretart: Dilinger did some amazing work on it over the past month or so.  It builds a few packages now (including being self hosting)
[10:22] <jbailey> thom: I'm happy as long as the contradiction is acnowledged ;)
[10:23] <siretart> great! is there some webpage or example packages I can look at?
[10:23] <thom> jbailey: :-)
[10:23] <jbailey> siretart: I think he's been keeping svn updated on alioth.
[10:23] <siretart> ok. I'll look
[10:23] <therning> ogra: I'm signed by Martin Pool?
[10:24] <therning> you sure?
[10:24] <ogra> http://pgp.surfnet.nl:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xAB4DFBA4
[10:24] <herve> haaa... the old debate between "concrete" and "abstract" pedagogic methods :-)
[10:24] <ogra> if that is you
[10:24] <therning> ogra: yes it is :) cool
[10:25] <therning> just that I never asked Martin to sign my key
[10:25] <ogra> therning, oh
[10:26] <therning> I did exchange some emails with him, but I didn't expect him to sign my key...
[10:27] <therning> so, I think it'd be prudent to have someone check me out a bit more before accepting my key
[10:28] <ogra> hmm, normally you dont sign keys of people you never met in person...
[10:28] <herve> night all
[10:30] <therning> ogra: I know
[10:31] <therning> or at least you should be confident enough the person is who he claims to be
[10:32] <ajmitch_> morning
[10:32] <ajmitch_> ah, they had this discussion only a few hours ago in -devel :)
[10:35] <ogra> ajmitch_, cdbs, gpg or croatia ? which one ?
[10:44] <ajmitch_> ogra: gpg
[10:44] <ogra> youre the MOTF !
[10:45] <siretart> motf?
[10:45] <ogra> master of the firefox :)
[10:45] <siretart> hehe. w00t! :)
[10:46] <siretart> ah, I read the email. great! :)
[10:47] <ajmitch_> looks like I need to catch up on c++ transition work
[10:51] <ajmitch_> hi koke
[10:51] <koke> hi!
[10:07] <motaboy> Hi all!
[10:12] <ivoks> hi
[10:25] <koke> hey german people, can you reproduce this bug??
[10:31] <koke> ouch
[10:32] <koke> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/672
[10:38] <ivoks> Dejan Milosavljevic
[10:38] <ivoks> doesn't sound german to me :)
[10:38] <ivoks> koke someone should fix it and send a patch
[10:41] <koke> ivoks: it's expected to be fixed in current release
[10:41] <koke> we have 0.4.1, and last one is 0.4.4
[10:41] <koke> which is ready to be uploaded :)
[10:41] <koke> but I'd like to know
[10:42] <koke> a) if the bug exists
[10:42] <koke> b) if it's fixed with 0.4.4
[10:42] <ivoks> koke 0.4.4 isn't going to be uploaded to hoary
[10:42] <ajmitch> koke: btw, patch for qemu & gcc 4.0 was committed to cvs
[10:42] <ivoks> nothing will be uploaded to hoary, only fixes
[10:42] <koke> ajmitch: thanks, I'll take a look
[10:43] <koke> ivoks: I'm talking about breezy, of course
[10:43] <ajmitch> koke: I looked at 0.7.0 as well :)
[10:43] <ivoks> koke ok
[10:45] <ivoks> koke contact siggi@debian.org
[10:45] <koke> ivoks: about gxine or qemu or what?
[10:45] <ivoks> gxine
[10:48] <koke> ajmitch: do you know where is the qemu patch??
[10:50] <ivoks> ok, let's give 2.6.12 another try :)
[10:50] <\sh> morning
[10:50] <ajmitch> koke: no, I haven't grabbed it yet, I was going to put together a 0.7.0 package in the weekend but didn't
[10:52] <ajmitch> ok, not sure if it was committed to cvs :)
[10:54] <ivoks> it looks like ti works :)
[10:55] <koke> ajmitch: I've seen it in the list
[10:55] <ajmitch> koke: yep, that's the one (or two)
[10:59] <\sh> 3 days free, 3 days stress, 3days office work
[10:59] <ajmitch> \sh: that's a pretty good schedule..
[10:59] <ivoks> so.. today breezy breaks? :)
[11:00] <ivoks> :)
[11:00] <ivoks> we'll have lots of fun
[11:00] <ajmitch> of course!
[11:00] <ivoks> and what about us, that are using breezy in day-to-day work? :)
[11:00] <koke> I guess we have to fix CxxLibraryList before UniverseCxxTransition, or I'm wrong?
[11:01] <ivoks> i'll do chmod -x `which apt-get` :)
[11:01] <ajmitch> haha
[11:01] <ajmitch> koke: yes, definitely
[11:02] <thom> ivoks: people that use breezy for day to day work are assumed to be competent to avoid breakage
[11:02] <ivoks> hm... if doko isn't answering on bug reports with diff, does that means patches are ok?
[11:02] <ivoks> thom I am, don't wory
[11:03] <ajmitch> it's the #ubuntu people that want to run breezy that we have to deal with
[11:04] <Burgundavia> thom, right!
[11:04] <doko> ivoks: ogra or I weill answer ...
[11:04] <ajmitch> doko: you want patches up ASAP?
[11:05] <koke> ivoks: I guess the optimal solution is a detached screen with aptitude open, locking the dpkg database :D
[11:05] <doko> ajmitch: the patch should be there before the package enters the archive
[11:05] <koke> brb
[11:05] <ajmitch> ok, I'll put the ones I've done in tomorrow at work
[11:05] <ivoks> doko ok :) then i guess patches are ok
[11:06] <ajmitch> it takes ~1 min to load a page on bugzilla with that big js
[11:11] <ivoks> hm..
[11:30] <ajmitch> gnome-terminal is deathly slow at times
[11:30] <thom> g-t works fine here, but *shrug*
[11:30] <Treenaks> uxterm works fine
[11:31] <ajmitch> yeah, but alt-[0-9]  seem to enter odd characters, which isn't quite what I want
[11:31] <ivoks> how is uxterm different of xterm?
[11:31] <ajmitch> thom: the AA text makes the scrolling a bit slow
[11:31] <Treenaks> ajmitch: UXTerm*metaSendsEscape: true
[11:31] <Treenaks> ajmitch: in ~/.Xresources
[11:31] <ajmitch> Treenaks: thanks :)
[11:32] <thom> ajmitch: better for my eyes than nasty xterm fonts ;-)
[11:32] <ivoks> karsten :)
[11:32] <Treenaks> thom: the default 'fixed' is nice...
[11:32] <ivoks> man...
[11:32] <Treenaks> thom: the aa crap makes my eyes bleed (courier is ugly, vera sans mono is uglier, etc.)
[11:33] <ajmitch> Treenaks: seems to work, thanks for that
[11:33] <Treenaks> ajmitch: np :)
[11:33] <ivoks> uxterm is xterm with utf8?
[11:34] <ajmitch> ivoks: yea
[11:34] <koke> ivoks: uxterm is "xterm -class UXTerm -title uxterm -u8"
[11:36] <Treenaks> koke: yes, which makes it read /etc/X11/app-defaults/UXterm
[11:36] <Treenaks> koke: which has some font definitions
[11:37] <ivoks> ah.. helpdesks :)
[11:37] <ivoks> i changed my ADSL profile..
[11:39] <\sh> ajmitch: it wasn't a schedule, that was happening during the last 3 days...normally: 3days off, but 3 days of stress with dtv and monitoring staff
[11:39] <koke> ajmitch: qemu stil FTBFS :(
[11:42] <ivoks> og...
[11:42] <ivoks> see u guys
[11:49] <koke> hey, any objection to upload gxine 0.4.4?
[12:14] <tseng> I cant think of one, besides NewPackages proceedure
[01:33] <koke> is there any way atm to create motu sub-teams in malone??
[01:40] <ivoks> doko | ogra  libfltk1.1 is needed for yacas... so, when you will have time, please upload it :)
[01:41] <doko> ivoks: it's in my archive
[01:41] <ivoks> is? hm..
[01:42] <ivoks> i have only c102
[01:42] <ivoks> hm...
[01:44] <doko> ohh, wait, I only did the source upload ...
[01:44] <ivoks> :)
[01:44] <ivoks> np
[01:48] <doko> ivoks: updated the archive
[01:48] <ivoks> i see
[01:48] <ivoks> thanx
[02:12] <siretart> hi motus!
[02:13] <siretart> is anyone attending the TB meeting tonight?
[02:14] <ogra> sure
[02:16] <siretart> ogra: the problem is, that I'm at a course with my GF tonight, and cannot attend at 2200. But I will join you at 2245 (all MEZ)
[02:16] <siretart> would you excuse me please?
[02:16] <ogra> thats ok, i'll do
[02:16] <siretart> thanks!
[02:29] <koke> hi bradb !
[02:29] <koke> is planned something for malone bug #494 ??
[02:37] <bradb> hey koke
[02:38] <bradb> not sure yet
[02:38] <bradb> my dups patch is awaiting code review, which addresses a part of the problem
[02:39] <bradb> let's just say i had to mud wrestle sabdfl to even get up to the five statuses we now have (it was originally just New, Open and Closed.)
[02:40] <bradb> New, Open and Closed make sense in the world of a hardcore developer, but make little sense in the world of a bugtracker used by human beings
[02:40] <koke> o_O
[02:41] <koke> so, when I have a bug which is really a bug but NEEDSINFO?? ;)
[02:42] <bradb> koke: there's no good solution for that yet; nothing that will help you filter your listings in a useful way, anyway.
[02:42] <bradb> even when the status whiteboard lands, that's still a pretty hackish option
[02:42] <koke> and Wontfix as a priority...
[02:42] <\sh> ogra: I'm also not there this evening...if you like, postpone my application or speak in my name :)
[02:42] <koke> I'm not sure if that's the place
[02:44] <koke> bradb: maybe something for "I've uploaded a new version supossed to fix that but I'm awaiting confirmation"
[02:44] <koke> but in the meantime I don't want the bug appearing in my bug list
[02:44] <koke> maybe close with a "reopen it if it fails again..."?
[02:45] <bradb> koke: we already have PendingUpload
[02:45] <koke> bradb: I believed that was for "I'm going to upload it and I'm sure it closes the bug"
[02:46] <koke> I guess a Closes: in the changelog will eventually close malone bugs too
[02:48] <bradb> koke: eventually, yeah
[02:59] <ivoks> uh..
[02:59] <ivoks> i didn't know plone/zope is so great
[03:02] <ivoks> remineds me on typo3
[03:04] <DanielN> ogra, there ?
[03:05] <ogra> yep
[03:05] <DanielN> du bist deutscher oder?
[03:09] <ogra> jop
[03:09] <DanielN> ok dann knnen wir ja so fortfahren
[03:10] <DanielN> naja jedenfalls hab ich mich mal an das "when" paket gemacht, welches ja ein universe candidate ist
[03:10] <ogra> guut
[03:11] <ogra> but lets keep the channel english, PM me if you like ;)
[03:11] <DanielN> we can talk in english too, no problem
[03:11] <ogra> ok
[03:11] <ivoks> ich verstehen :)
[03:11] <ogra> hehe
[03:11] <DanielN> :)
[03:12] <ogra> DanielN, put the source package up somewhere and add information to the MOTUToReview wiki page
[03:12] <ivoks> nicht sehr gutt, aber... :)
[03:13] <DanielN> ok, but must do that in the evening, the whole package stuff is at home :)
[03:13] <DanielN> thanks to you, ogra
[03:14] <ogra> DanielN, ok, reviewing takes some time anyway, so dont hurry :) ...
[03:14] <DanielN> k
[03:15] <DanielN> eh, but one question: am i able to upload somewhere, since im not a motu-guy, ogra
[03:15] <ivoks> ogra isn't it MOTUNewPackages?
[03:15] <ogra> err, true
[03:16] <ogra> DanielN, MOTUNewPackages indeed, thanks ivoks
[03:16] <ogra> DanielN, dont you have webspace somewhere where you can put it ?
[03:17] <ogra> DanielN, you'll not be able to upload yourself to the archive until youre a approved MOTU
[03:17] <\sh> DanielN: if you need a place to publish, I'm glad to provide some space :)
[03:19] <DanielN> ogra, sure i've got space, thougt uploading should be on a special ubuntu-server or something. it's ok in this case :)
[03:20] <DanielN> \sh, as you can read i've got space, thanks for your offer :)
[03:21] <DanielN> mhm.. why the hell i get opped here when i type "op all" .. anarchy chan? :D
[03:22] <\sh> op all ?
[03:26] <DanielN> ./msg chanserv op all
[03:27] <thom> that's a little scary
[03:27] <DanielN> :)
[03:27] <\sh> wrong config for chanserv
[03:27] <DanielN> think that too :)
[03:27] <\sh> please file bug in malone ;)
[03:27] <\sh> _don't_ do it ;)
[03:28] <DanielN> ogra, must I build the Packages.gz, Release and those files, or is it enough to provide the source-package files?
[03:28] <ogra> only the source package files
[03:29] <ogra> i.e. diff.gz, dsc, source.changes and orig.tar.gz
[03:30] <ivoks> bye guys
[03:31] <DanielN> ok. wasn't sure if it must be "repository compatible", thanks ;)
[03:48] <\sh> cu later gentlemen
[03:59] <Nafallo> morning
[04:03] <bddebian> Hello Nafallo
[04:16] <koke> bradb: I'm trying to see more than 20 bugs per page but it seems not possible :(
[04:20] <bradb> koke: i might change that today
[04:20] <bradb> to 500 or something
[04:20] <bradb> the only thing preventing me from doing it is concern that it might freak out sabdfl :)
[04:21] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:21] <Nafallo> and that's an irreversible changeset? ;-)
[04:23] <koke> bradb: I mean this https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/distros/ubuntu/+bugs?batch_start=0&batch_end=60 doesn't work
[04:23] <koke> have to go, sorry
[04:46] <|QuaD->  beagle soon to work without mono :)
[04:46] <|QuaD-> blah
[04:46] <|QuaD-> without dbus
[04:46] <|QuaD-> haha
[04:46] <|QuaD-> beagle soon to work without dbus :)
[04:56] <ogra> |QuaD-, see topic
[05:07] <|QuaD-> ogra: i never complained
[05:07] <|QuaD-> it was a comment
[05:50] <koke_> is there any conflict if I upload a new revision of a package before the last one has been built?
[05:51] <ogra> koke, yep, you should never do that
[05:52] <ogra> either wait unitl it built or failed
[05:54] <koke> ok
[05:55] <koke> wll, it's an _all package so it's not going to be so painful ;)
[06:07] <koke> hey, what happened to xosd??
[06:07] <koke> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/446 <-- is this ok?
[06:13] <ogra> err
[06:14] <ogra> i recompiled it for the X transition, it worked since then....
[06:14] <ogra> but thats months ago...
[06:23] <koke> have to go
[06:23] <koke> bye!
[07:24] <herve> hi
[07:24] <herve> so, the transhumance has begun
[07:24] <herve> we're talking about serious business now :-)
[08:04] <ivoks> is it broken yet? :
[08:04] <ivoks> :)
[08:05] <thom> ivoks: it's getting that way
[08:05] <ivoks> yeah! we will have fun
[08:05] <ivoks> my exams are over, i will have time :)
[08:05] <herve> ivoks, good!
[08:06] <herve> I'll be your fellow reviewer and uploader
[08:06] <ivoks> heh
[08:06] <ivoks> but I will not do your part :)
[08:06] <herve> I won't do yours either ;-)
[08:06] <ivoks> :)
[08:06] <herve> so we begin with tulip? zipios++?
[08:07] <ivoks> zipos is allready merged
[08:07] <ivoks> for others i don't knoe
[08:07] <ivoks> know
[08:07] <herve> good
[08:07] <herve> erm
[08:07] <herve> you sure?
[08:07] <ivoks> about what?
[08:07] <herve> I haven't seen the announce in changes
[08:08] <ivoks> oh
[08:08] <ivoks> it isn't merged :)
[08:08] <ivoks> but doko said it's ok... acctually, he fixed it
[08:08] <herve> let's leave it then
[08:08] <ivoks> herve take a look at bug reports
[08:08] <herve> tulip?
[08:08] <ivoks> ok, tulip
[08:09] <herve> url? :-)
[08:10] <ivoks> for what?
[08:10] <ivoks> no urls... only diff
[08:10] <ivoks> you'll have to download source :)
[08:11] <ivoks> herve you can find something on www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/libs
[08:11] <ivoks> but i don't think they are any good
[08:11] <herve> ho right
[08:12] <herve> just one minute
[08:12] <herve> I have to close a former project
[08:12] <ivoks> flevour apt-get linux-source
[08:14] <ivoks> ups.. :)
[08:15] <herve> okay,
[08:15] <herve> let the show begin!
[08:15] <ivoks> hm... tulip...
[08:15] <ivoks> that's not done yet, i think... wait a sec..
[08:15] <herve> doko, ping
[08:15] <|QuaD-> what exactly is tulip?
[08:16] <ivoks> there are others :)
[08:16] <herve> a package... we don't even know about what! :-)
[08:16] <|QuaD-> lol
[08:16] <|QuaD-> some things always confuse me thatare running
[08:16] <|QuaD-> like what is multiload-apple
[08:18] <ivoks> ah yes...
[08:18] <ivoks> tulip doesn'
[08:19] <ivoks> tulip doesn't compile with gcc-4
[08:19] <herve> ivoks, I can't find the report for tulip in bugzilla
[08:19] <|QuaD-> this is going to be a fun few weeks, with everything not compiling
[08:19] <ivoks> herve that's because tulip isn't finished yet
[08:19] <ivoks> herve look at packages that have bugreports
[08:19] <herve> |QuaD-, needless to say don't upgrade... unless you like living on the edge of course!
[08:20] <|QuaD-> herve: too late, already using breezy
[08:20] <herve> ivoks, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=262959
[08:20] <ivoks> |QuaD- do as I do: chmod -x `which apt-get` :)
[08:20] <ivoks> herve thanks
[08:20] <herve> |QuaD-, me too, but keep your instinct from taking your daily apt-get dose :-)
[08:20] <|QuaD-> herve: haha, yeah
[08:21] <|QuaD-> i really want them to put out a new gcc4.0 compiled kernel
[08:21] <|QuaD-> so i can get vmware working again
[08:21] <ivoks> herve nope, this patch will not solve the problem
[08:21] <ivoks> herve but i could try...
[08:21] <herve> is there some saved search or bookmark for getting all the transition reports?
[08:22] <ivoks> this is gcc-3.4 patch
[08:22] <herve> that old? :-)
[08:22] <ivoks> yeah :) and it doesn't address file that has issues
[08:23] <ivoks> DrawingTools.cpp:50: warning: minimum/maximum operators are deprecated
[08:23] <herve> did we get unmaintained crack again?
[08:23] <ivoks> on 30 lines :)
[08:23] <ivoks> no, this is maintained package
[08:23] <ivoks> last fix was in May :)
[08:24] <ivoks> 4th of May :)
[08:24] <herve> no, there are new upstream releases
[08:24] <ivoks> check our changelog:
[08:24] <ivoks>  * The "yet again" and "damn, I've missed sarge freeze :(" release.
[08:24] <ivoks> :)
[08:24] <herve> but the patch sure could help?
[08:24] <herve> not solve, I understand it
[08:25] <ivoks> ok, will give it a try
[08:27] <ivoks> hm..
[08:27] <ivoks> diff -urN ../tmp-orig/tulip-1.2.5
[08:27] <ivoks> tulip 1.2.5?
[08:27] <ivoks> this is 2.0.2
[08:31] <ivoks> herve that patch has too many FAILED's for even trying to fix it :(
[08:32] <ivoks> it is not for this tulip
[08:32] <ivoks> hehe... funny name 'tulip' 'tulipan' is croatian word for on dumb flower :) and when you are calling someone dumb, you call him 'tulipan' :)
[08:33] <Amaranth> |QuaD-: just change the /usr/bin/gcc symlink to gcc3.3 when you're setting up vmware
[08:34] <ivoks> he should allways use gcc3.3
[08:34] <ivoks> i had problems with compiling kernel with gcc4
[08:34] <Amaranth> last i heard the kernel was the _last_ thing that would ever get transitioned
[08:34] <|QuaD-> Amaranth: my kernel was built with 3.3.5, i have 3.3.6 on my pc :(
[08:34] <ivoks> nice :)
[08:34] <Amaranth> o_O
[08:34] <Amaranth> ok, so use the 2.6.11.92 kernel
[08:35] <|QuaD-> Amaranth: eh? won't that break my nvidia stuff
[08:35] <Amaranth> oh, yeah
[08:35] <Amaranth> you're fscked :P
[08:35] <|QuaD-> :)
[08:35] <|QuaD-> i would rather vmware b0rked then nvidia
[08:35] <ivoks> everything breaks
[08:36] <ivoks> hold ur apt-get
[08:36] <Amaranth> everything breaks today
[08:36] <Amaranth> but i have like 4 things on this computer that use C++ that i care about, so bleh
[08:37] <ivoks> herve alive?!
[08:38] <ivoks> maybe fedora has some patches for tulip :)
[08:38] <Amaranth> has the c++ transition begun?
[08:38] <ivoks> in redhat?
[08:38] <Amaranth> i'd like to get one last apt-get in before i'm cut off for weeks
[08:38] <Amaranth> no, in breezy
[08:39] <|QuaD-> Amaranth: c++ transition?
[08:39] <Amaranth> eek
[08:39] <Amaranth> it has, g++ is 4.0 now
[08:39] <|QuaD-> oh, yeah
[08:39] <ivoks> hehe
[08:39] <|QuaD-> i thought you mean from c++ to something/something to c++
[08:39] <ivoks> let's apt-get update :)
[08:40] <|QuaD-> i did recently
[08:40] <ivoks> my notifier never lights :(
[08:40] <|QuaD-> didn't break much
[08:40] <herve> re
[08:40] <ivoks> untill i do apt-get update
[08:40] <|QuaD-> ivoks: do you upgrade right after updates?
[08:40] <ivoks> yes
[08:40] <Amaranth> ivoks: It runs apt-get update once a day or something, iirc.
[08:40] <ivoks> ok
[08:41] <|QuaD-> ivoks: reason is probably because it doesn't update on its own, and yo don't give it time after updates
[08:41] <ivoks> heh... g++-4.0 i don't think so... :)
[08:42] <Amaranth> ivoks: That's what I said and closed synaptic.
[08:45] <ivoks> herve that bad? :)
[08:45] <herve> gone eat
[08:45] <ivoks> :))
[08:45] <herve> erm erm...
[08:46] <ivoks> bon apetit
[08:46] <herve> are we supposed to build the packages in a chroot with doko's repository
[08:46] <herve> even now?
[08:47] <ivoks> thoes that aren't depending on any c2 lib, you can do in breezy
[08:47] <ivoks> those that depend on c2 libs, well... you can't yet
[08:47] <ivoks> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? Y
[08:47] <ivoks> go go go :)
[08:52] <ivoks> hm... yacas is app
[08:52] <ivoks> not library
[08:53] <ivoks> ok, language, not app
[08:53] <ivoks> i should only recompile it with g++-4
[08:53] <ivoks> it doesn't need name change, does it?
[08:54] <herve> an app? no
[08:54] <herve> but deps bump, sure
[08:54] <herve> if needed, of course
[08:54] <herve> but we'll care about apps afterwards
[08:54] <ivoks> deps should be tighten. that's ok
[09:07] <herve> do you know how to "print" a constant in C++ preprocessing?
[09:07] <herve> #echo __GNUC_MINOR__ ?
[09:09] <ivoks> ?
[09:09] <ivoks> nope :)
[09:10] <herve> I think I found the tulip error
[09:10] <ivoks> you think?
[09:10] <tseng|work> does it have to be a macro?
[09:10] <herve> tseng|work, nevermind
[09:11] <herve> __GNUC__ and __GNUC_MINOR__
[09:11] <herve> I guess it's simply 3.4 or 4.0
[09:12] <ivoks>  (__GNUC__ < 3)
[09:12] <ivoks> ?
[09:12] <ivoks> this looks ok to me...
[09:13] <ivoks> herve if GNUC < 3 are tests
[09:13] <herve> I need to add a test to 4.0
[09:13] <ivoks> if  (__GNUC_MINOR__ < 4) this could be a problem
[09:14] <ivoks> should be  if  (__GNUC__ == 3) && (__GNUC_MINOR__ < 4)
[09:14] <herve> it thinks 4.4 is old
[09:14] <ivoks> yes
[09:15] <ivoks> 3.4
[09:15] <ivoks> it thinks 4.0 is old
[09:15] <ivoks> :)
[09:15] <herve> no 4.4 :-)
[09:15] <herve> major is 3 or more
[09:15] <herve> but minor must 4 or more to work
[09:15] <ivoks> i'm talking about tulip/include/tulip/tulipconf.h
[09:16] <ivoks> it checks only minor version, not major
[09:16] <herve> sure it does
[09:16] <ivoks> yes.. it does :)
[09:16] <ivoks> sorry
[09:17] <ivoks> i was greping :)
[09:17] <herve> get another one while I dpatch the mess
[09:17] <ivoks> i did :)
[09:17] <ivoks> herve i did them around 15 :)
[09:18] <herve> you're my hero :-)
[09:19] <ivoks> hm...
[09:19] <ivoks> i'm straight :)
[09:19] <herve> that was not sexual at all! :-)
[09:20] <ivoks> 20 packages
[09:22] <DanielN> ogra, `when` is in MotuNewPackages now ;)
[09:22] <ogra> good
[09:23] <ivoks> :)
[09:24] <ogra> herve, why are you still listed on MaintainerCandidates ?
[09:25] <herve> ogra, I'll remove myself
[09:25] <ogra> great :)
[09:25] <DanielN> *g*
[09:25] <ivoks> you can just do cw ivoks
[09:25] <ivoks> :)
[09:26] <herve> ivoks, you need to be a member first, AFAIK
[09:26] <ogra> hey dholbach
[09:26] <dholbach> hellas
[09:26] <herve> ogra, there are other known motus on the page
[09:26] <ivoks> :)
[09:26] <herve> daniel \o/
[09:26] <ogra> herve, while youre at it ;)...
[09:27] <dholbach> hey ogra, herve :-)
[09:27] <ivoks> BrianSutherland? brother of Mark?
[09:27] <ogra> ivoks, why that ?
[09:27] <herve> dholbach, I am doing the cxx transition in the end... :-)
[09:27] <ogra> ivoks, the last names dont match :P
[09:27] <ivoks> ah.. right :)))
[09:27] <herve> ivoks, shuttleworth
[09:27] <dholbach> herve: i'll try to do some on the list tonight
[09:27] <ivoks> my hands were quicker than eyes
[09:28] <ogra> :)
[09:28] <herve> martin krafft applied for maintainership?
[09:28] <herve> dholbach, your thesis first
[09:29] <herve> ogra, I know some names but I'm not sure of their status
[09:29] <dholbach> brb
[09:29] <ogra> which ?
[09:29] <herve> by the end of the document
[09:30] <herve> \sh, for example :-)
[09:30] <ivoks> lol \sh
[09:30] <ivoks> Swap from Gentoo 2005.0 to Ubuntu Hoary 5.04
[09:30] <ivoks> i did same transition :)
[09:33] <herve> ivoks, I take tulip ownership, don't mind?
[09:33] <ivoks> no, i allready removed my self
[09:33] <ivoks> DanielN when is calendar?
[09:33] <DanielN> yep
[09:34] <ivoks> DanielN hm, it isn't in debian and it has .deb on homepage :)
[09:35] <DanielN> i know
[09:35] <DanielN> :>
[09:35] <ivoks> you recompiled package or...?
[09:35] <DanielN> yes
[09:35] <herve> DanielN, the upstream sources already have a debian/ dir?
[09:36] <ivoks> DanielN why? :)
[09:36] <ivoks> DanielN this one installs just fine :)
[09:36] <DanielN> maybe
[09:36] <DanielN> but i had fun ;)
[09:36] <ivoks> it's nice app
[09:37] <DanielN> yes .. simple but rocking
[09:37] <DanielN> :)
[09:37] <Amaranth> what app is that?
[09:37] <DanielN> when
[09:38] <ivoks> nice CLI calendar
[09:38] <Amaranth> heh
[09:38] <Amaranth> now that's a weird name
[09:38] <ivoks> it's called when
[09:38] <ivoks> i agree :)
[09:38] <ivoks> man page is funny
[09:38] <ivoks>        When - a minimalistic personal calendar program
[09:38] <ivoks> one would tought it's acronym...
[09:38] <ivoks> but... it isn't :)
[09:39] <DanielN> man page is from the upload-source
[09:39] <DanielN> not written by me
[09:39] <ivoks> DanielN i installed upstream deb :)
[09:40] <DanielN> from where? (disturbed ^^)
[09:41] <ivoks> http://www.lightandmatter.com/when/when.html
[09:41] <DanielN> ok
[09:41] <ivoks> how many of you use wget? :)
[09:41] <DanielN> me :)
[09:42] <DanielN> you can try my when deb too ;>
[09:42] <ivoks> http://www.xemacs.org/People/hrvoje.niksic/ he did it :)
[09:43] <ivoks> uh, no deb... :)
[09:44] <DanielN> ...
[09:47] <herve> ivoks, tulip still compiling...
[09:48] <ivoks> herve it will take hour or two
[09:48] <herve> :-D
[09:48] <herve> I'll burn my laptop!
[09:48] <ogra> what is tulip ?
[09:48] <ivoks> tulipan
[09:48] <herve> :-)
[09:48] <herve> ogra, a broken c++ lib
[09:49] <ogra> ah
[09:49] <ivoks> i wonder rdepends
[09:49] <ogra> ah, graph library
[09:49] <ivoks> lol
[09:49] <ivoks> only tulip depends on it
[09:50] <ivoks> man...!!!!! greeeeeeewrgewrgwerg
[09:50] <ivoks> mosquitos... uhhhh
[09:52] <ivoks> ok, who decides on morgue candidats?
[09:53] <dholbach> ivoks: once the list is a bit fuller, we can decide in a motu meeting and then pass the list to elmo who double-check the rdepends of those packages
[09:54] <ivoks> ok
[09:54] <herve> ok, I can't find any note for changelogs of cxx transitions
[09:54] <ivoks> ?
[09:55] <herve> do we need to follow a scheme?
[09:55] <ivoks> i did: CXX transition: renaming .... to ....
[09:55] <herve> for the bug yes
[09:55] <herve> but I don't know for the debian/changelog
[09:56] <ivoks> that
[09:56] <ivoks> that's for changelog
[09:56] <dholbach> in the changelog you describe what you changed
[09:56] <dholbach> be brief but explicit and you don't need a scheme there
[09:56] <ivoks> CXX transition: Rename libxerces25 to libxerces25c2,
[09:56] <ivoks> this is doko scheme
[09:57] <ivoks> i did the same
[09:57] <dholbach> ok
[09:58] <ivoks> ogra did same too
[09:58] <ivoks> he added chaning distribution
[09:59] <ivoks> that's something that's allready in changelog, isn't it?
[09:59] <ogra> yep, where i changed it i described it :)
[10:00] <herve> libtulip-2.0 becomes libtulip-2.0c2
[10:00] <herve> or... nothing, nevermind :-)
[10:00] <ivoks> that's right
[10:03] <DanielN> afk
[10:03] <herve> and libtulip-ogl-2.0 becomes libtulip-ogl-2.0c2 or libtulipc2-ogl-2.0
[10:03] <herve> ?
[10:03] <ivoks> ok... i'll go on tse3
[10:03] <ivoks> first option
[10:03] <herve> this transition seems easier than expected
[10:03] <ivoks> -2.0.2c2
[10:03] <ivoks> :)
[10:03] <herve> thanks ivoks
[10:03] <ivoks> of course it easy... i did 20 packages :)
[10:04] <dholbach> wait if stuff compiles and works nicely :-)
[10:04] <dholbach> there's a lot to break
[10:04] <herve> ivoks, mine is worth your 20 ;-)
[10:04] <ivoks> i'm sure it is
[10:05] <ivoks> herve did u fix debian/control?
[10:05] <ivoks> Conflits, Replaces, Depends?
[10:05] <ivoks> :)
[10:05] <herve> I am, hence my questions :-)
[10:07] <herve> tulip_2.0.2-4ubuntu1.dsc failed to process: Format args for invalid-arch-in-b-d don't match Description. (0 vs 1)
[10:07] <tseng|work> ogra: can we postpone moving mono then
[10:07] <ogra> tseng|work, looks like we have to
[10:08] <tseng|work> i can keep moving with monodevelop stuff now
[10:08] <tseng|work> just need to wait on dbus stuff
[10:08] <ogra> tseng|work, wait, look at -meeting
[10:08] <tseng|work> i am looking
[10:09] <ogra> tseng|work, so do we want it now ?
[10:10] <ivoks>  /bin/sh: --enable-shared: command not found
[10:10] <ivoks> omg! how did this package go to debian!?
[10:12] <tseng|work> ogra: eh, not if i cant upload?
[10:12] <tseng|work> that wouldnt make sense to me
[10:12] <ogra> oki
[10:13] <tseng|work> yuck
[10:14] <herve> ivoks, if you knew what I saw...
[10:14] <ivoks> what? :)
[10:14] <herve> so we just open patches, don't upload anything?
[10:14] <ivoks> right
[10:14] <ivoks> afaik
[10:14] <ivoks> i can't upload, so i don't think about that
[10:15] <herve> :-)
[10:15] <ivoks> AM_ENABLE_SHARED' not found in library
[10:15] <ivoks> what could this be?
[10:15] <ivoks> it's on aclocal-1.4
[10:15] <herve> ivoks, need to regenerate a new one?
[10:15] <tseng|work> i might also shorten the list of packages to move to main ogra
[10:16] <ogra> yep, thats a good plan
[10:17] <ivoks> herve ?
[10:17] <herve> ivoks, auto* stuff
[10:18] <ivoks> how?
[10:18] <herve> you're asking me too much :-)
[10:18] <ivoks> :)
[10:19] <tseng|work> ogra: i just dont know if the 2.0 stuff will make it "stable" before breezy is out the door
[10:19] <ogra> if the stuff we have runs stable its fine
[10:19] <tseng|work> it does but its not guaranteed ABI stable
[10:19] <ivoks> i'm too tierd to do any work now
[10:19] <ogra> i dont really care about version numbers as long as it works....
[10:20] <tseng|work> I care about the ABI
[10:20] <herve> ivoks, you deserved rest for sure :-)
[10:20] <ivoks> herve so... will u review my packages? (you should put link on bugzilla)
[10:20] <ogra> tseng|work, hmm, true, we talk about main
[10:20] <herve> ivoks, url? :-p
[10:21] <ajmitch> morning
[10:21] <tseng|work> hi ajmitch
[10:21] <ivoks> herve :)))
[10:21] <tseng|work> did you sample my crack?
[10:21] <ivoks> herve i was talking about cxx transition
[10:21] <herve> morning ajmitch
[10:21] <ajmitch> no chance yet :P
[10:21] <herve> ivoks, me too!
[10:21] <ivoks> hi ajmitch
[10:21] <tseng|work> uni is bogus
[10:21] <ivoks> herve https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CxxLibraryList :p
[10:22] <dholbach> hey ajmitch, tseng|work
[10:22] <tseng|work> dholbach: !!!!
[10:22] <ajmitch> daniel!
[10:22] <ivoks> herve everything you need is there... links to diff's
[10:22] <dholbach> hey :-)
[10:22] <herve> ivoks, anyone? okay
[10:22] <ajmitch> tseng|work: grabbing them now
[10:23] <tseng|work> ogra isnt it a month until next TB?
[10:23] <tseng|work> every 2 weeks rotated with CC
[10:23] <ogra> yep
[10:23] <ivoks> herve anyone
[10:23] <tseng|work> suck!
[10:23] <ajmitch> I thought they fit in CC & TB every other week?
[10:23] <ajmitch> so that there's still one meeting per week
[10:23] <ogra> tseng|work, err
[10:24] <ogra> tseng|work, what ajmitch said indeed
[10:24] <tseng|work> oh
[10:24] <tseng|work> ok then.
[10:24] <herve> ivoks, looking at 10852
[10:25] <ivoks> ok
[10:25] <dholbach> ajmitch: i tried to today :-)
[10:25] <dholbach> ajmitch: the TB was not complete. so bad luck for me :-)
[10:25] <ajmitch> dholbach: yeah, that's a shame that you didn't get int
[10:25] <ajmitch> next time! :)
[10:26] <dholbach> yeah of course
[10:26] <ajmitch> you've already been approved, at least :)
[10:29] <herve> ivoks, I feel like you remove too much things
[10:30] <ivoks> ?
[10:30] <ivoks> i didn't remove anything
[10:30] <ivoks> only renamed files
[10:30] <ivoks> and some fix in rules and control
[10:30] <herve> ha no, sorry
[10:30] <herve> prerm renamed
[10:30] <herve> a flaw of the diff format :-)
[10:33] <herve> ivoks, looks fine then
[10:33] <herve> and it reminded me I forgot some things in my own patch!
[10:33] <ivoks> :) of course
[10:33] <ivoks> :))
[10:34] <ivoks> renaming files? :)
[10:34] <herve> *.files yes
[10:34] <ivoks> hm
[10:34] <herve> so what now?
[10:34] <ivoks> then it didn't build right
[10:34] <herve> I mean, before going to bed
[10:34] <herve> I haven't tried yet
[10:35] <herve> too late for tonight
[10:35] <ivoks> you allready fixed it?
[10:35] <herve> I can only guess
[10:35] <herve> it compiled almost an hour without error
[10:35] <herve> but my machine was at 70 C
[10:36] <ivoks> i know the feeling :)
[10:36] <herve> I would have failed anyway :-(
[10:36] <herve> I see main is having another transition ;-)
[10:37] <herve> well, good night all
[10:37] <ivoks> night
[10:37] <herve> we'll see if the universe falls apart this night :-)
[10:37] <herve> ++
[10:38] <ajmitch> another transition? what one is this?
[10:38] <ivoks> i'm going to bed too..
[10:38] <ivoks> bye all
[10:38] <ajmitch> bye ivoks
[10:40] <ivoks> if i'm not wrong... it's X
[10:40] <ivoks> Setting up x-dev (6.8.99.7-1) ...
[10:40] <ivoks> 6.8.99
[10:41] <ajmitch> ah
[10:41] <thom> x is likely to break into lots of little pieces
[10:41] <ajmitch> that shouldn't require transitioning universe packages
[10:41] <thom> modularisation
[10:41] <ivoks> :)
[10:42] <ajmitch> there are still plenty of packages that just build-dep on xlibs-dev
[10:42] <ivoks> now, for real and last time today - good night/morning/day/whatever
[10:43] <siretart> hi folks
[10:43] <dholbach> hey siretart
[10:44] <ajmitch> hello siretart
[10:44] <siretart> reading the backlog, reviewing the maintainer candidates hasn't started yet, did it?
[10:44] <siretart> hi dholbach, hi mitch!
[10:44] <dholbach> siretart: they won't
[10:44] <ogra> siretart, postponed
[10:44] <siretart> postponed? oh
[10:44] <dholbach> because the TB isn't nearly complete
[10:44] <siretart> oh. I understand
[11:10] <lamont> siretart: ENOQUORUM
[11:11] <siretart> lamont: I'm sorry?
[11:11] <siretart> ah, no Quorum. now :)
[11:11] <lamont> TB lacked quorum
[11:12] <siretart> are the sources for scott's merge-o-matic available somewhere?
[11:16] <siretart> gnarf
[11:16] <dholbach> siretart: i so completely understand you today
[11:17] <siretart> this was for my crashing irssi
[11:17] <ajmitch> dholbach: having some issues?
[11:18] <dholbach> it isn't even c++ :-)
[11:18] <ajmitch> heh
[11:18] <dholbach> ajmitch: just nautilus and firefox
[11:18] <ajmitch> ah
[11:20] <ajmitch> yay, packages that don't do make clean properly
[11:22] <therning> how do people develop for Breezy? install it on a separate partion and boot into it, or do you use some other way (UML, vmWare, or something)?
[11:22] <ajmitch> I don't have hoary anymore
[11:22] <siretart> apropos reviewing. anyone having time to review 2 packages for me?
[11:22] <ajmitch> just breezy on my systems, and anything that might really break things is done in a chroot
[11:22] <ajmitch> siretart: I can take a look
[11:22] <siretart> great!
[11:23] <siretart> ajmitch: the first, easy one is here: http://siretart.tauware.de/ubuntu-packages/keychain/
[11:23] <therning> ajmitch: I'm not really confident enough in breezy yet
[11:23] <siretart> should just be a dependency adjustment
[11:24] <ajmitch> siretart: looks to be a new upstream version?
[11:24] <tseng> hi
[11:24] <dholbach> therning: wait a bit ... at least until the c++ transition is over :-)
[11:25] <siretart> ajmitch: a new "debian" upstream version, with merging from bugzilla
[11:25] <ajmitch> siretart: ah ok
[11:25] <ajmitch> yes, I have it in my merge TODO list :)
[11:25] <therning> dholbach: I'm not considering ditch Hoary at all until Breezy is released, but I'd still like to play a little with it (help out in MOTU :)
[11:25] <siretart> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9416 is the relevant link
[11:26] <siretart> ajmitch: the second one is http://siretart.tauware.de/ubuntu-packages/poker3d/. this is my first CXXTransistion, I hope I did everthing right
[11:26] <ajmitch> hi tseng
[11:27] <siretart> hi tseng
[11:27] <tseng> wow lag
[11:33] <ajmitch> great, looks like manoj's dpkg patch applies nearly cleanly to the new dpkg 1.13
[11:34] <siretart> what is that patch for?
[11:34] <ajmitch> SELinux
[11:35] <siretart> ah. great!
[11:36] <ajmitch> yeah, it was the last major core package to get done
[11:40] <ajmitch> uhoh, X breakage
[11:40] <dholbach> good night pals, i'm off to bed
[11:40] <siretart> good night, dholbach!
[11:41] <ajmitch> night dholbach
[11:42] <ajmitch> siretart: for keychain, I believe it is best to depend on a virtual | real package
[11:43] <ajmitch> eg, ssh-client | openssh-client
[11:43] <siretart> ajmitch: thats a good idea. will prepare a new package
[11:43] <dholbach> *wave*
[11:48] <siretart> ajmitch: keychain updated (same revision, same place)
[11:48] <ajmitch> ok, thanks
[11:50] <ajmitch> proxy must have cached it..
[11:51] <siretart> gnarf
[11:59] <siretart> ajmitch: are you at poker3d?
[11:59] <ajmitch> gettind a round tuit :P
[11:59] <siretart> tuit?
[12:00] <ogra> tuit :)
[12:00] <siretart> ?
[12:00] <ajmitch> they're elusive things..
[12:00] <ogra> ajmitch, swallow before speaking ;)
[12:00] <ajmitch> very hard to find, which is why nothing ever gets done ;)
[12:01] <tseng> hi
[12:01] <siretart> hi tseng
[12:01] <tseng> better.
[12:01] <siretart> :)
[12:01] <ogra> :)
[12:01] <tseng> hm lets upload some mono
[12:01] <ogra> yay
[12:02] <siretart> ajmitch: if not, let's do I tomorrow, I need to get up early tomorrow :(
[12:02] <siretart> s/ I / it /
[12:02] <ajmitch> siretart: it's a large download for the .orig.tar.gz
[12:02] <ajmitch> which takes quite awhile for me
[12:02] <siretart> oh. yes. thats right
[12:03] <siretart> basically I renamed the two libs with a c2 suffix
[12:04] <siretart> but I'm not quite sure if that's necessary. no other package outside the source package depend on that libs
[12:04] <ajmitch> conflicts, replaces, depends, build-depends, shlibs?
[12:04] <ajmitch> ok..
[12:04] <siretart> I havn't touched shlibs.