[12:00] <g14> goofrider: RHEL is the best server distro
[12:00] <ziggy__> when i chown it then /dev/mga_dev no device with root or ziggy
[12:00] <goofrider> g14: how?
[12:00] <_hp_> topyli, although you go a weeny bit faster
[12:00] <g14> goofrider: I wish I could find the benchmark page I saw
[12:00] <_hp_> topyli, if not gentoo, then freebsd
[12:00] <topyli> goofrider: or a clone. centos, tao, and others
[12:00] <goofrider> g14: Ubuntu is a server as well. In fact, apt-get alone is enough for me to NOT even think about any other distro
[12:01] <neo_> ciao
[12:01] <neo_> italiani?
[12:01] <topyli> _hp_: yeah. i guess the bsd's would be nice too, but i've not messed with them
[12:01] <g14> goofrider: Can we say EAL4, ISV Support, Certification?
[12:01] <Edgan> goofrider: dpkg and apt-get are that great. Other distros have equilivents.
[12:01] <goofrider> g14, speed != everything . Esp'ly server, I'd consider things like stability and maintainerbility top priority
[12:01] <goofrider> g14, none of which CentOs have
[12:01] <puvneet> i go txine to work finally and the sound codec isn't supported
[12:01] <Edgan> goofrider: I mean aren't that great
[12:02] <_hp_> topyli, i've ran it for a limited amount of time, it was nice, but not as a desktop. best *nix desktop i've seen is ubuntu, and mac os x
[12:02] <g14> goofrider: A clone is a clone. All of out servers are RHEL, but for free, a clone is just the same
[12:02] <goofrider> Edgan, it's not just the program, bu tht packaging policy and QA
[12:02] <g14> goofrider: It's real easy to get Oracle up and running on CentOS. Can't say it is on debian, I've tried
[12:02] <flodine> can someone tell me why after i install mplayer from apt get when i run it it locksup?
[12:02] <_hp_> is there a gnome applet that'll tell me how how my athlon is ?
[12:02] <Edgan> goofrider: then that isn't apt-get, and both Debian and Ubuntu have their packaging issues
[12:03] <goofrider> g14, it take nohting short of a miracle to get Oracle runing, on any OS
[12:03] <ziggy__> how does /dev work?
[12:03] <g14> goofrider: ?? ok
[12:03] <Edgan> _hp_: temp? speed?
[12:03] <flodine> does anyone have mplayer running good
[12:03] <_hp_> Edgan, temperature
[12:03] <flodine> holla back
[12:03] <xim> hi. i'm using a ubuntu on a laptop, and if i boot without a network cable pluged in, it tries to connect anyway. Is there a way to avoid this?
[12:04] <Edgan> _hp_: you would first need to get lm sensors going
[12:04] <_hp_> Edgan, got 'em
[12:04] <goofrider> g14, but I suppose u'r right
[12:04] <goofrider> g14, I still can't et decent packages for Tomcat 5.5, Java, JBoss, etc.... for Debian
[12:04] <mebaran151> I am looking at my syslog
[12:05] <mebaran151> and I get this error before it crashes
[12:05] <mebaran151> losing ticks
[12:05] <mebaran151> warning lost many ticks
[12:05] <Edgan> _hp_: http://sensors-applet.sourceforge.net/
[12:05] <goofrider> g14, third-party server software support in Debian sux
[12:05] <dirty-south> can i get some mplayer help
[12:05] <mebaran151> and then it hard halts
[12:05] <mebaran151> requiring me to unplug
[12:05] <g14> goofrider: It's not that I don't like debian, I LOVE ubuntu. It's just that without ISV support, a server distro is useless
[12:05] <_hp_> Edgan, thanks
[12:05] <mebaran151> I would think a memory error would just segfault it or soemthing
[12:06] <goofrider> g14 I agree. I just misunderstoof your arguement that's all
[12:06] <g14> goofrider: And selinux support in RHEL4 is better than in hardened-gentoo. I've looked at other options
[12:06] <goofrider> Edgan, Debian/Ubuntu has a more rigid QA/FHS policy than most distro...
[12:06] <Edgan> g14: selinux is a pain in the ass, especially with apache/httpd
[12:06] <goofrider> g14: oh selinux ***is** gr8 on RH
[12:07] <RedNeck_> Will it be posible to install in Ubuntu the latest Firefox 1.0.4?
[12:07] <dirty-south> dang no help in this room is this the fedora room
[12:07] <dirty-south> hmmm
[12:07] <usual> ISV?
[12:07] <Edgan> dirty-south: just ask your question
[12:07] <dirty-south> i did
[12:07] <g14> Edgan: It's pretty easy unless you run some nasty cgi stuff. They even have a pretty gui to enable/disable selinux apache options
[12:07] <goofrider> dirty-south, if u tell us what your problem is, then maybe u'll get some answer
[12:07] <Edgan> dirty-south: all I see if asking if you can ask about mplayer
[12:07] <dirty-south> can someone tell me why after i install mplayer from apt get when i run it it locksup?
[12:08] <goofrider> usual, ISV = independent Software Vendor
[12:08] <g14> usual: Independent Software Vendors aka commercial software companies
[12:08] <noderat> dirty-south: Could mean a variety of different things
[12:08] <usual> ahh
[12:08] <dirty-south> well it just wont play any movies
[12:08] <noderat> dirty-south: Have you tried running it from a terminal to see what verbose debug info it might give
[12:08] <Edgan> g14: I take issue with having to constantly relabel files. mv /home/user/foo /var/www/html and then get a denied because of a mislabel
[12:08] <goofrider> dirty-south, u probly don't have the right codecs
[12:09] <_hp_> can't believe gcc doens't come by default with ubuntu
[12:09] <usual> so minus support you think centos is prolly the best server dist?
[12:09] <dirty-south> i have win32
[12:09] <klaus^^^> hello
[12:09] <Edgan> _hp_: they should add sshd too
[12:09] <klaus^^^> there is out there a ftp client
[12:09] <klaus^^^> whith gui
[12:09] <klaus^^^> ?
[12:09] <topyli> _hp_: there's no development stuff on the cd. it's in the main repository still
[12:09] <_hp_> i just went to compile the sensor applet and there was no gcc...
[12:09] <Edgan> klaus^^^: gftp, but it isn't fun
[12:09] <goofrider> g14, that's what I originally try to address though, what's the strength of RHEL if u disregard all externalities?
[12:09] <g14> _hp_: I can't believe nmap doesn't come by default
[12:09] <clausme> why
[12:09] <PrediusV2> Guys, what was the Gnome "competitor" of Kdevelop?
[12:09] <clausme> ?
[12:10] <g14> goofrider: externalities? I'm not following
[12:10] <_hp_> what's the package i need to get for XML::Parser?
[12:10] <K_Dallas> PrediusV2: something like ajunta
[12:10] <neighborlee> PrediusV2, anjuta i guess or eclipse
[12:10] <Riddell> PrediusV2: kdevelop includes gnome templates
[12:10] <PrediusV2> ah, yeah.
[12:10] <PrediusV2> thanks.
[12:10] <K_Dallas> or that :)
[12:10] <goofrider> g14, benefits provided by 3rd-parties but not RHEL itself
[12:10] <usual> so what linux dist would be best for a server? I was pretty sure linux was linux
[12:10] <topyli> goofrider: long support. you can run it for 5 years at least
[12:10] <Edgan> usual: it used to be, but not anymore
[12:10] <neighborlee> PrediusV2, eclipse is gaining alot of steam lately I think...although anjuta is pretty darn nice too
[12:10] <goofrider> usual, depends on what server r u bulding
[12:11] <ziggy__> the problem is something to do with /dev/mga and I do not know what it is
[12:11] <goofrider> topyli, that's a good point
[12:11] <JDahl> PrediusV2, + GTK wizards in the Glade design tool
[12:11] <g14> goofrider: It just works. I set it up and don't really worry much about it. I've tried a few of the recent kernel exploits on it and they don't work
[12:11] <ziggy__> i either get no permission i chown that and i get no device even though it is there
[12:11] <ziggy__> something is up
[12:11] <ziggy__> and I cannot figure it
[12:12] <_hp_> Edgan, when i try to compile tells me libplanetapplet-2.0 not fond, i've got 2.6.0-3
[12:12] <goofrider> g14, maybe I should give CentOS, White Box and Tao another chance
[12:12] <ziggy__> /dev/mga_vid support built into as a kernel module matrox
[12:12] <Edgan> ziggy__: normally certain devices are automatically chowned when you log in, apparently that one isn't in the list
[12:12] <usual> so other than support, what makes RHEL a better server dist that all the others
[12:12] <topyli> usual: not much :)
[12:12] <Edgan> _hp_: you have the .h files for it?
[12:12] <ziggy__> no it isn't Edgan and it doesn't /dev each time i start
[12:12] <mebaran151> where can I go to talk to really hardcore kernel people
[12:12] <goofrider> usual, most thrid-party software will come with RPMs that build for Red Hat
[12:12] <ziggy__> /dev/agpgart does Edgan is this an isssue i don't understand agpgart?
[12:12] <neighborlee> JDahl, referring to which ide...sorry I think I missed a post or two since I just got here o_0
[12:12] <neighborlee> mebaran151, #kernel
[12:12] <_hp_> Edgan, don't thinks so, need to get the -dev version?
[12:13] <mebaran151> hehe
[12:13] <xim> anyone tried to search the documentation (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation)? even "ubuntu" does report nothing...
[12:13] <Edgan> _hp_: probably
[12:13] <mebaran151> do you think they will mind
[12:13] <g14> goofrider: The WBEL lead dev says to use CentOS. The TAO guys hang out in #CentOS and suggest you use CentOS also. Scientific Linux is just if you are into Bioinformatics and the crazy stuff
[12:13] <ziggy__> Edgan can i have both?
[12:13] <neighborlee> mebaran151, nope
[12:13] <JDahl> PrediusV2, I never get tired of answering "emacs" when people ask about good IDEs, but more seriously you can also check out anjuta.sourceforge.net
[12:13] <_hp_> oh boy, a 98 MB download
[12:13] <usual> goofrider, I can't imagine needing much thirdparty software
[12:13] <Edgan> ziggy__: probably
[12:13] <topyli> mebaran151: not on irc really. you write to the lkml
[12:13] <neighborlee> mebaran151, tell me neighborlee sent ya
[12:13] <Edgan> JDahl: emacs :P vim all the way ;)
[12:13] <ziggy__> Edgan, what do you mean?
[12:13] <neighborlee> mebaran151, jk but hey wth sounds good
[12:14] <goofrider> usual, Java VM, Vmware?
[12:14] <ziggy__> can I rmmod agpgart?
[12:14] <Edgan> ziggy__: probably not
[12:14] <PrediusV2> JDahl, I'm more of a vim guy, =D
[12:14] <usual> goofrider, you can build debs for java and I coulda swore vmware was more than rpm
[12:14] <ziggy__> i have searched the web for that question and cannot find anything agpgart mga related
[12:14] <g14> goofrider: Another reason I prefer CentOS/Rhel. I can grab the source rpms for redhat cluster suite and have an enterprise capable cluster up and running pretty easy. That is important here and the suits don't want to shell out to buy it for me
[12:14] <_hp_> Edgan, that was it, needed the -dev
[12:14] <puvneet> i downloaded  gstreamer0.8 and tried to install it and get this message that "After unpacking 3490kB of additional disk space will be used.
[12:14] <puvneet> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ?
[12:14] <puvneet> I type y and it aborts any way
[12:14] <_hp_> puvneet, try a a capital Y
[12:14] <PrediusV2> It's not for me, i'm trying to get a friend into linux, and he want's a good IDE.
[12:14] <puvneet> i did
[12:15] <puvneet> lower and bigger
[12:15] <ziggy__> Edgan, i know the code for mga_vid is taken from the code for agpgart I read that in the code
[12:15] <Edgan> usual: I have only seen outdated debs for vmware. Was thinking of making my own a one point.
[12:15] <g14> puppet: the capital Y means that it is the default and if you hit enter it will be auto selected
[12:15] <xim> puvneet, try <enter>
[12:15] <Edgan> ziggy__: it isn't a code thing, it is a config thing
[12:15] <ziggy__> but dmesg shows everything loading
[12:15] <ziggy__> Edgan, what do you mean?
[12:15] <goofrider> g14, yeah I guess they got the clustering stuff.... When I think server I think samba and Tomcat and Apache  :P
[12:15] <puvneet> only enter
[12:15] <usual> if redhat was to disapear, centos would be left without a code base right?
[12:15] <goofrider> g14, and MythTV
[12:15] <goofrider> LOL
[12:15] <mebaran151> I am going to try nicing it
[12:15] <JDahl> PrediusV2, I've never used it, but anjuta seems quite advanced
[12:15] <puvneet> or y then enter
[12:15] <mebaran151> what would be a good nice level for encoding
[12:16] <mebaran151> I want to burn a DVD to divx
[12:16] <g14> LOL, yes myth is very important in an enterprise level distro
[12:16] <mebaran151> I am on AMD64 3500
[12:16] <Edgan> ziggy__: As I said above, certain devices are chowned automatically when you log in and mga_vid isn't in the list. If it were added to the list, then it would just work
[12:16] <_hp_> Edgan, how do i get this running?
[12:16] <goofrider> usual, devs would just flock to CentOs to make it a replaceement for RHEL. Like what happended to Xfree86 --> Xorg
[12:16] <ziggy__> Edgan what list should I look to?
[12:16] <Edgan> _hp_: never used it, just found it for you at freshmeat
[12:16] <_hp_> oh...
[12:16] <g14> usual: If redhat was to disappear, centos would keep the support from the many many RHCE system administrators
[12:17] <usual> yeah
[12:17] <Brandonn> ok, now it recognizes my card (DWL-650), but can't find module prism2_cs, is that in a package, or do I need to recompile?
[12:17] <Edgan> ziggy__: not sure what is in ubuntu, might look in /etc/security
[12:17] <usual> i just can't stand rpm based distributions
[12:17] <Edgan> usual: why?
[12:17] <goofrider> usual, I know me too
[12:17] <g14> usual: To each his own. The yum in rhel / fedora 4 is on par (speed wise) with apt
[12:18] <usual> gl4 speed wise maybe but nowhere near as mature
[12:18] <usual> Edgan, I don't know, bad taste in my mouth maybe
[12:18] <g14> usual: Ubuntu is a superior desktop, rhel is a superior server, OpenBSD is a superior firewall. I use whatever tool is right for the job
[12:18] <usual> I can't stand how most rpm based dists force packages on you
[12:18] <usual> even just toolkits
[12:19] <goofrider> usual, ??????
[12:19] <dphase> usual..
[12:19] <usual> hi dphase
[12:19] <dphase> ltns man
[12:19] <ziggy__> Edgan everything in Ubuntu forums just points to the README
[12:19] <usual> I know how ya been
[12:19] <usual> :)
[12:19] <dphase> not to bad
[12:19] <ziggy__> and it seems to work for everyone with out editing
[12:19] <goofrider> ziggy__, then read the README
[12:19] <usual> goofrider, if you install like a gnomeless/gtkless system
[12:19] <goofrider> :)
[12:19] <Edgan> g14: I like to run the same distro on everything. Makes life much easier when it comes to making your own packages.
[12:19] <usual> goofrider, I bet you get gtk packages installed
[12:20] <usual> dphase, where ya been
[12:20] <goofrider> usual, and??? it's a big deal why?
[12:20] <ziggy__> goofrider done
[12:20] <g14> Edgan: I'll agree with that, but I use the best tool to the job. Thats how it works for me
[12:20] <usual> g14, openbsd also makes a good webserver if you can get around the jails with php/mysql/apache
[12:20] <dphase> usual, working pretty much, i'm pretty idle when it comes to the net
[12:20] <Brandonn> hmm, anyone know where the pcmcia-modules packages are for 2.6 kernels, synaptic only seems to show the 2.4 ones
[12:21] <usual> goofrider, I can install other dists TRULY how i want, rpm based dists almost always put packages on you didn't want or chose to leave out
[12:21] <goofrider> g14, I like Ipcop as a firewall/gaetway. Plan on trying ClarkConnect though
[12:21] <g14> usual: I ran ab (Apache Bench) on my RHEL servers and on an OpenBSD server with identical hardware and apache2
[12:21] <usual> dphase, been working alot also
[12:21] <g14> usual: OpenBSD is slower because of all of the crazy address space randomization and security
[12:21] <usual> yeah the security is making is slower
[12:21] <PoTs> anyone who knows if it is possible to view images on the network (smb,nfs,...) with gthumbnail?
[12:21] <usual> but was is dramtic
[12:22] <usual> does anyone know a dist that specializes in snort/IDS?
[12:22] <usual> not a firewall etc
[12:22] <goofrider> usual, use live CDs like Helix
[12:22] <mebaran151> May 14 15:58:03 localhost kernel: Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequency changed.
[12:22] <mebaran151> May 14 16:02:08 localhost kernel: warning: many lost ticks.
[12:22] <mebaran151> May 14 16:02:09 localhost kernel: Your time source seems to be instable or some driver is hogging interupts
[12:22] <mebaran151> May 14 16:02:09 localhost kernel: rip kmem_cache_free+0x12/0x50
[12:22] <mebaran151> May 14 16:14:48 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#16ubuntu6: restart.
[12:22] <mebaran151> could anyone help me as to why this happens when I encode
[12:22] <usual> goofrider, I can't find one that doesn't bundle stuff
[12:22] <goofrider> mebaran151, pls don't flood the channel
[12:22] <usual> goofrider, I JUST want IDS
[12:23] <pixelmonkey> when one has two wireless adapters connected and one is in monitor mode and the other in managed and connected to an access point, how does one make sure that the one that is connected is used for connecting to the Internet (i.e. web browsers, etc.)
[12:23] <mebaran151> goofrider, it was hardly a flood
[12:23] <mebaran151> perhaps a little sprinkling
[12:23] <goofrider> mebaran151, I have a small screen  :P
[12:23] <mebaran151> three lines that's it, gee wilikers
[12:23] <goldfish> usual: why not just install snort?
[12:23] <goofrider> mebaran151, it added up to 10 lines over here, half my screen popped
[12:23] <Brandonn> is there someplace on the web to search for what package a specific file is?
[12:24] <goofrider> suckah
[12:24] <goofrider> :)
[12:24] <mebaran151> ahah sorry, goofrider
[12:24] <usual> goldfish, a dist that is already setup out of the box with things like BASE and snortcenter would be nice. time is valuble
[12:24] <topyli> goofrider: you're irc'ing on your phone again aren't you :)
[12:24] <mebaran151> bob2 would know
[12:24] <mebaran151> he knows everything
[12:24] <toresbe> he does
[12:24] <goofrider> topyli, hahaha I tried it on my PDA though
[12:24] <topyli> Brandonn: apt-file
[12:24] <mebaran151> I will direct it to him then
[12:24] <mebaran151> bob2, how can I fix my kernel losing ticks
[12:25] <mebaran151> and then halting my machine hard
[12:25] <usual> I wonder how suse el is
[12:25] <topyli> goofrider: i do it sometimes, but my phone has a 80x25 terminal screen :)
[12:25] <goofrider> usual, i'm not sure what u want... bare linux install on HDD with snort?
[12:25] <goofrider> topyli, !!!!!Like a Nokia 9x00? SE P800?
[12:25] <topyli> yeah, 9210
[12:25] <goofrider> usual, or a live cd?
[12:26] <topyli> goofrider: nethack runs too :)
[12:26] <usual> goofrider, a minimal dist, desgined for IDS, like with apache/mysql/php/snort/snortcenter/BASE etc all configured, or maybe with a nice web interface like smoothwall has
[12:26] <goofrider> topyli, u run Linux on it?
[12:26] <tsume> oh yes.. wxWidgets is the best widget toolkit :)
[12:26] <topyli> goofrider: no, the original symbian os
[12:26] <goofrider> usual, Ipcop?
[12:26] <goofrider> usual, that's what I use. It's a fork of Smoothwall
[12:26] <usual> goofrider, can I use ipcop for just IDS? or will it be a firewall etc
[12:26] <mebaran151> when will ubuntu move to the 2.6.12 or 2.6.11 kernel tree
[12:26] <tsume> I wonder when breezy gets 2.6.0
[12:27] <usual> breezy is 2.6.10 at the moment i think
[12:27] <goofrider> usual, u don't have to use the firewall portion u know
[12:27] <mebaran151> yeah
[12:27] <mebaran151> but 2.6.10 seems to be buggy
[12:27] <usual> Linux silence 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:27] <goofrider> usual, it's not like u can REMOVE iptables. It's compiled into the kernel
[12:27] <usual> thats breezy
[12:27] <goofrider> on ANY distro
[12:27] <mebaran151> on AMD64 at least
[12:27] <usual> goofrider, but is it easily disabled?
[12:27] <mebaran151> it complains under high load and halts the machine
[12:27] <mebaran151> not even Windows does that!
[12:27] <tsume> too bad linux can't have PF
[12:27] <goofrider> usual, probly just a checkox
[12:27] <usual> ok
[12:28] <usual> i'll check itout thanks
[12:29] <goofrider> mebaran151, halts = freeze??? unresposive????
[12:30] <goofrider> usual, the Web GUI is coded in Perl CUI though.. kinda hard to customize. And IPCop is build with LFS now, no longer share Smoothwall codebase
[12:30] <mebaran151> halts equals
[12:30] <mebaran151> the computer turns off immediate
[12:30] <mebaran151> ly
[12:30] <goofrider> Perl CGI
[12:30] <mebaran151> without switching to init 6
[12:30] <mebaran151> and requires an unplugging to reboot
[12:30] <goofrider> mebaran151, hmmm.... sounds like a bad instruction set
[12:31] <goofrider> mebaran151, e.g. using a P4=optimized codec on Athlon
[12:31] <goofrider> mebaran151, but that's just a guess
[12:32] <mebaran151> hmmm
[12:32] <mebaran151> I would guess against it
[12:32] <mebaran151> I am using a custom compile of mplayer
[12:32] <mebaran151> the old one failed
[12:32] <mebaran151> it might be bad mplayer code
[12:32] <mebaran151> but it happens on transcode too
[12:32] <mebaran151> anytine you have high throughput from disk to cdrom
[12:32] <mebaran151> and it doesnt ALWAYS happen
[12:33] <mebaran151> but it always preceded by
[12:33] <mebaran151> May 14 15:58:03 localhost kernel: Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequency changed.
[12:33] <mebaran151> May 14 16:02:08 localhost kernel: warning: many lost ticks.
[12:33] <mebaran151> May 14 16:02:09 localhost kernel: Your time source seems to be instable or some driver is hogging interupts
[12:33] <mebaran151> May 14 16:02:09 localhost kernel: rip kmem_cache_free+0x12/0x50
[12:33] <mebaran151> May 14 16:14:48 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#16ubuntu6: restart.
[12:33] <ryman> hey guys what dir is the "Computer"
[12:33] <mebaran151> (sorry about the flood)
[12:33] <mebaran151> the computer is not a dir
[12:33] <KoseFrank> Gee... I need help
[12:33] <mebaran151> it is a little handy app to visualize other dirs
[12:33] <KoseFrank> I don't have sound anymore
[12:33] <ryman> mebaran151, I want to mount my 2nd HD into Computer
[12:33] <mebaran151> everything in computer links to a real directory
[12:33] <goofrider> mebaran151, then maybe it's a buffering issue? maybe u need to check your compile-time options. And u should've mentioned that u'r using a custom-compiled version
[12:33] <mebaran151> oh
[12:33] <mebaran151> I have tried both
[12:34] <mebaran151> the first one works but barely
[12:34] <KoseFrank> It's just gone. It happened after I installed the KDE-enviroment
[12:34] <mebaran151> the second one actually runs
[12:34] <mebaran151> which is nice
[12:34] <mebaran151> buffering issue?
[12:34] <mebaran151> explain
[12:34] <mebaran151> do I need more RAM?
[12:34] <goofrider> nah I think there should be a compile-time option to increase the buffer it uses
[12:35] <goofrider> or other I/O bound options
[12:35] <mebaran151> not mentioned in ./configure
[12:35] <goofrider> u'r the l337 g33k who compiles your own app, u figure it out
[12:35] <goofrider> :P
[12:35] <goofrider> ;)
[12:36] <goofrider> mebaran151, really though, check mplayer's resources for compile-time option
[12:36] <mebaran151> heheh
[12:36] <mebaran151> I am
[12:36] <KoseFrank> Any idea why my soundcard doesn't work anymore?
[12:36] <goofrider> mebaran151, and did u download the source from apt-get or is it a pristine source tarball?
[12:37] <mebaran151> pristine src tarball
[12:37] <mebaran151> direct from the good people at MPlayer
[12:37] <xim> KoseFrank, how do you it's not working?
[12:37] <goofrider> mebaran151, maybe u should try to compile from apt-get  source????
[12:37] <thechitowncubs> why isn't mplayer gtk2?
[12:37] <mebaran151> thechitowncubs, perhaps because YOU have not written it yet!
[12:37] <mebaran151> ;)
[12:37] <mebaran151> though it is a lot of work to prot from gtk to gtk2
[12:37] <mebaran151> mplayer has bigger fish to fry
[12:37] <thechitowncubs> mebaran: i could try but im sure no one would use it
[12:38] <mebaran151> as nothing beats the cmdline interface
[12:38] <goofrider> mebaran151, if u must use the version from the official source, apt-get source mplayer, then do a 3 way merge with the pristine source
[12:38] <thechitowncubs> because it wouldn't work
[12:38] <mebaran151> a 3 way merge
[12:38] <goofrider> prev
[12:38] <mebaran151> that sounds llike a car pile up!
[12:38] <goofrider> mebaran151, try apt-get source.. maybe that'd help
[12:39] <knapjack> Firestarter is pretty cool.
[12:39] <mebaran151> hmm I might
[12:39] <mebaran151> but I think it is deeper
[12:39] <mebaran151> as it happens under large io transfers with transcode as well
[12:39] <mebaran151> anything that uses a lot of cpu
[12:39] <goofrider> knapjack, it's VERY cool if u have half a clue of how annoyingly complicated iptables rules are
[12:39] <mebaran151> and has heavy io
[12:39] <Xeoan> Hello
[12:39] <mebaran151> compiling never fails
[12:40] <goofrider> mebaran151, well like u said, sounds like it's an I/O issue not CPU load issue
[12:40] <LinuxJones> Xeoan, hi
[12:40] <goofrider> mebaran151, FWIW, DMA is enabled right?
[12:41] <Xeoan> is it posible to conigure a Ubuntu Box and then make an image like in windows xp using Northon Gost or Not?
[12:41] <mebaran151> I havent figured it out
[12:41] <mebaran151> I cant enable DMA
[12:41] <_hp_> how do i get /etc/modules to reload without an reboot?
[12:41] <mebaran151> because hdparm doesnt work with SATA
[12:41] <KoseFrank> Xim. Suddenly, there is no sound
[12:41] <goofrider> Xeoan, partimage might help, or gparted/qtparted
[12:41] <mebaran151> and sdparm compiles but only poorly
[12:41] <KoseFrank> I take it as an indication, perhaps
[12:41] <mebaran151> SCSI seems to treat DMA weirdly
[12:42] <foxiness> Xenguy, try it :)
[12:42] <goofrider> mebaran151, i think that can be the problem
[12:42] <Azmodan> Xeoan: There is a program called mondo that does a similar job on Linux.  You might check that out.
[12:42] <Xeoan> goofrider does it come with Ubuntu?
[12:42] <mebaran151> so goofrider
[12:42] <LinuxJones> Xeoan, there is also mondo
[12:42] <mebaran151> how would I enable it
[12:42] <Xeoan> do they come with Ubuntu?
[12:42] <goofrider> mebaran151, imagine if the I/O layer isn't configured form DMA but your app layer assumes it
[12:43] <Azmodan> Xeoan: No, you have to apt-get them
[12:43] <LinuxJones> Xeoan, mondo si in the universe repository
[12:43] <goofrider> mebaran151, well if hdparam doesn't work then I don't know
[12:43] <KoseFrank> I feel that mabe this was not a good idea... I've installed the 64bit-version. Is that still a "beta" version, or something?
[12:43] <goofrider> mebaran151, I've only used Linux for 2 months  :P
[12:43] <foxiness> Xeoan, and i think ther are like gost on linux u can use it
[12:43] <mebaran151> KoseFrank, do you have AMD64
[12:43] <mebaran151> I use it similarly
[12:43] <KoseFrank> Of course I do
[12:43] <goofrider> Azmodan, mondo archive files though, doesn't image a drive
[12:44] <goofrider> Xeoan, u can find them all in Synaptic
[12:44] <Azmodan> goofrider: Then you combine with Qtparted and it's all good, no ?
[12:44] <KoseFrank> But after I installed the KDE-package I havent been able to get any sound. It worked the first time, but not after my reboot...
[12:44] <Xeoan> so if I learn how to use mondo I should be able to create I ghost image in a CD then use that cd to install Ubuntu y more than one box is this safe to asume?
[12:45] <goofrider> Norton Ghost can image an entire drive (with all the partitions in it) into a compressed image file
[12:45] <mebaran151> Norton Ghost is crap!
[12:45] <goofrider> Azmodan, that's what partimage does as well
[12:45] <mebaran151> dd with bzip2!
[12:45] <tsume> check edonkey for.. "norton ghost corp"
[12:45] <LinuxJones> Xeoan, if you have a few machines to install on check out the System Installation Suite, namely System Imager
[12:45] <goofrider> mebaran151, yes it's crap. But i'm not here to judge
[12:45] <KoseFrank> God a weird errormessage saying something about being unable to load default sound system, because the directory could not be found.
[12:46] <Azmodan> goofrider: And it's available on the sysresccd LiveCD so it is a good choice too, I agree.
[12:46] <tsume> the latest version of norton ghost corp is crap
[12:46] <goofrider> I love the SysresqCd
[12:46] <wasabi> xfsdump
[12:46] <wasabi> =)
[12:46] <mebaran151> i still vote for dd with bzip2
[12:46] <tsume> it used to have the simplicity of booting off the CD, now it boots a subwindows, and crashes on computers :)
[12:46] <goofrider> I wish it's still being maintained :P
[12:46] <mebaran151> just dd it and bzip2
[12:46] <wasabi> mebaran151, you backup freespace with that.
[12:46] <Xeoan> I have 10 machines I want to istall Ubuntu in one then make an image to istall in the other machines...
[12:47] <Azmodan> Xeoan: Are they all very similar ?
[12:47] <mebaran151> bzip2 does an ok job of compresisng free space
[12:47] <Xeoan> yes
[12:47] <Xeoan> AMD
[12:47] <goofrider> tsume, with all the linux live cds today, norton ghost and friends are pretty much useless
[12:47] <mebaran151> free space is very very redundant you know
[12:47] <wasabi> mebaran151, not at all.
[12:47] <mebaran151> oh
[12:47] <wasabi> mebaran151, free space on a file system is not zeroed
[12:47] <mebaran151> I always thought so
[12:47] <mebaran151> heheh
[12:47] <mebaran151> shows what I know
[12:47] <wasabi> mebaran151, you've got pieces of old deallocated files laying all over it.
[12:47] <bretzel> mebaran151: (dd+ bzip2/or gzip) I recall I've programmed a backup util in c++ in the age of KDE 1.x :-) Was a front-end to dd and gzip
[12:47] <mebaran151> yeah
[12:47] <Xeoan> Northon Ghost doesn't work in Linux right?
[12:48] <goofrider> mebaran151, OMG u dd | bzip2 ??? hahah
[12:48] <LinuxJones> Xeoan, with System Installation Suite you can use it to roll out upgrades across the network once your software needs updating
[12:48] <mebaran151> haha
[12:48] <wasabi> Imaging linux systems is super easy.
[12:48] <mebaran151> I have
[12:48] <wasabi> You can do it a number of ways.
[12:48] <wasabi> THe simplies: tar
[12:48] <wasabi> simpliest.
[12:48] <mebaran151> tar is very simple
[12:48] <wasabi> That'll save you from dealing with different partition tables.
[12:48] <mebaran151> I must admit
[12:48] <Xeoan> Linux Jones System Imager also comes with Ubuntu?
[12:48] <mebaran151> tar.bzip2 of course!
[12:48] <wasabi> partimage can ... i think shrink most stuff and expand it.
[12:48] <Azmodan> Xeoan: I don't know for Norton Ghost but my father used to use TrueImage and it works for Linux (as long as your created the LiveCD on a Windows box).
[12:48] <wasabi> tar is damned easy though
[12:49] <wasabi> just tar / and untar it on another system
[12:49] <Xeoan> LinuxJones System Imager also comes with Ubuntu?
[12:49] <goofrider> wasabi, well I think XFS and JFS aren't shrinkable though
[12:49] <mebaran151> tar is not as exacting
[12:49] <wasabi> goofrider, yeah, correct.
[12:49] <bretzel> Oops I have to change irc server... ciao
[12:49] <wasabi> mebaran151, "exacting"?
[12:49] <mebaran151> but woudlnt tar be slower
[12:49] <mebaran151> as it copies by file and not by sector
[12:49] <mebaran151> I thought dd was faster as it did sector based copying
[12:49] <clausme> how do i open ssh conections in ubuntu
[12:49] <wasabi> Yeah, tar is slower.
[12:49] <wasabi> But it's also not copying free space.
[12:49] <Xeoan> If I can create an image it will make my job much easier
[12:49] <clausme> how do i open ssh conections in ubuntu
[12:49] <LinuxJones> Xeoan, yes it is in Universe but here's the homepage for more info >> http://www.systemimager.org/
[12:50] <mebaran151> that is why it is good to copy with like partimage I guess
[12:50] <wasabi> clausme, install openssh-server
[12:50] <goofrider> mebaran151, tar work with files, dd works with sectors
[12:50] <mebaran151> yes as I said it
[12:50] <Azmodan> goofrider: Can you set partimage so it automatically burns what you image instead of creating a file that you have to burn after ?
[12:50] <mebaran151> Azmodan, that is probably pretty hard
[12:50] <goofrider> Azmodan, if u wanna burn to CD, mondo is better
[12:50] <wasabi> Azmodan, burn it yourself.
[12:50] <mebaran151> it is nice for partimage to have a nice stable file to write to
[12:50] <goofrider> Azmodan, it make a bootable recovery cd for u
[12:50] <wasabi> Or just copy it elsewhere on the network.
[12:51] <mebaran151> I think Ruby is a good scripting language
[12:51] <Xeoan> Thanks to everyone for your great info...
[12:51] <mebaran151> why people liek python is beyond me
[12:51] <mebaran151> so much dirty whitespace
[12:51] <goofrider> mebaran151, ruby is a fad
[12:51] <goofrider> mebaran151, u'll et over it
[12:51] <mebaran151> haha
[12:51] <mebaran151> just like Python
[12:51] <LinuxJones> Xeoan, if you need to upgrade (or downgrade) the software,  you upgrade 1 machine then push/pull the changes to the other machines using rsync...very cool
[12:51] <goofrider> mebaran151, just like how u got over python recently??  ROTFL
[12:51] <mebaran151> we will always have C
[12:51] <mebaran151> nah I never got into python
[12:51] <updala> hi ppl
[12:51] <mebaran151> I would make too many stupid errors
[12:52] <goofrider> C...? Where?
[12:52] <mebaran151> dealing with tabs
[12:52] <mebaran151> I enjoy over tabbing
[12:52] <goofrider> Ruby is self-hosting I think
[12:52] <updala> i ve some errors with gimp ->
[12:52] <updala> gimp: relocation error: gimp: symbol regexec, version GLIBC_2.3.4 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[12:52] <goofrider> so is Java, Python, Perl, Parrot...
[12:52] <updala> how can i install 2.3.4 of libc?
[12:52] <Azmodan> mebaran151: Set your editor so that tabs are always converted to spaces.  Problem solved.
[12:52] <mebaran151> heheh
[12:52] <goofrider> everything is self-hosting now, who need C besides system hackers?
[12:53] <tritium> goofrider, lots of people
[12:53] <goofrider> mebaran151, u hate tabs? what do u do with makefiles?  :P
[12:53] <goofrider> tritium, C people aren't people
[12:53] <goofrider> tritium, j/k
[12:53] <goofrider> C people are C monkeys
[12:55] <knapjack> updala: nice
[12:55] <gfoxiness> if there a free space on my sbd2 partition what is the setp need to create partition "ext3" ready to use ,what am do cfdisk n than W than mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb2 is there more or somehting im missid here ?
[12:55] <mypapit> i've installed my first ubuntu
[12:55] <clausme> how do i add user for open-ssh server
[12:55] <clausme> ?
[12:55] <JDahl> goofrider, what is it you don't like about C?
[12:55] <mypapit> it's rawks though i'm not confortable with the apt-get thingy
[12:55] <gfoxiness> mypapit, great to hear
[12:55] <mypapit> :)
[12:55] <clausme> how do i add user for open-ssh server
[12:56] <goofrider> JDahl, I was j/k
[12:56] <goofrider> C is important, but I HATE HATE HATE pointers
[12:56] <gfoxiness> mypapit, use synaptic
[12:56] <gfoxiness> mypapit, its GUI for apt-get
[12:56] <gfoxiness> mypapit, or read this http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html
[12:57] <goofrider> tritium, STOP IT
[12:57] <goofrider> :)
[12:57] <tritium> heh
[12:57] <tritium> clausme, users on your system can use ssh
[12:58] <gfoxiness> goofrider, all guys hate it not u alone
[12:58] <goofrider> any MS C++ ATL makes me explode
[12:58] <mypapit> gfoxiness, thanx for the tip
[12:58] <gfoxiness> mypapit, nps u are wellcome
[12:59] <dirty-south> ok anyone got 64 bit with muine and gdesklets running
[12:59] <char1iecha1k> am i being stupid? how do i install ubuntu to hard disk?
[01:00] <tritium> char1iecha1k, with the installer CD?
[01:00] <char1iecha1k> i have the live cd is that not the same thing?
[01:00] <gfoxiness> char1iecha1k, are u download live cd or install cd
[01:00] <char1iecha1k> damnit i have the live cd
[01:01] <tritium> char1iecha1k, no, you cannot install from the LiveCD
[01:01] <char1iecha1k> so i need install cd
[01:01] <char1iecha1k> damn how big is sinstall cd
[01:01] <gfoxiness> char1iecha1k, k download install cd :)
[01:01] <tritium> Yes.  In the future, plans are to be able to install from the LiveCD
[01:01] <char1iecha1k> thanks
[01:01] <gfoxiness> char1iecha1k, not soo big 500 or 400
[01:01] <char1iecha1k> too much for me tonight :/
[01:02] <goofrider> BTW, what's with the torrent tracker?
[01:02] <gfoxiness> char1iecha1k, coffe net it me help u :)
[01:02] <goofrider> I've heard a lot of complants today about torrents not connecting
[01:02] <ermanox> do you need to download video drivers for ibooks
[01:02] <ermanox> do you need to download video drivers for ibooks
[01:02] <char1iecha1k> gfoxiness possible is suppose i do have 2mbit connection
[01:02] <sbcl3> how do i give myself permissions to synaptic?
[01:02] <sbcl3> (i'm a normal user)
[01:02] <goofrider> ermanox, slow down lsow down.  :) the cd comes with drivers
[01:02] <clausme> how do i see what user are conected throught openn ssh on my box
[01:03] <clausme> ?
[01:03] <sbcl3> i just installed an app and it only has root priviledges
[01:03] <char1iecha1k> gfoxiness how long does installtion take
[01:03] <goofrider> sbcl3, just enter your own password
[01:03] <gfoxiness> char1iecha1k, k im 56k :) and im happy like u :)
[01:03] <sbcl3> goofrider: i did
[01:03] <sbcl3> but my password is the same as root's password
[01:03] <goofrider> sbcl3, what app exactly?
[01:03] <char1iecha1k> gfoxiness ouch 56k
[01:03] <clausme> how do i see what user are conected throught openn ssh on my box
[01:03] <sbcl3> TiLP
[01:03] <sbcl3> (from the community)
[01:03] <tritium> sbcl3, so you enabled the root account?
[01:04] <char1iecha1k> gfoxiness i would share mine with you if i could
[01:04] <sbcl3> tritium: i just put in a password when prompted
[01:04] <gfoxiness> char1iecha1k, am not lie this is the true
[01:04] <clausme> how do i see what user are conected throught openn ssh on my box
[01:04] <ermanox> anyone get a external monitor to work on a ibook running hoary?
[01:04] <tritium> sbcl3, root account is disabled by default.  It is not ever enabled during install.  See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo for more information.
[01:04] <gfoxiness> char1iecha1k, lol thank u a lot
[01:04] <char1iecha1k> gfoxiness where do u live?
[01:05] <sbcl3> tritium: how would i have enabled it?
[01:05] <Thirsteh> tritium, question, isn't the whole sudo thing kind of dangerous? I mean, the same password as your own account
[01:05] <tritium> Thanks for the info, goofrider.  Please query me if trolls invade again.
[01:05] <goofrider> Thirsteh, sudoers need to have strong passwords
[01:05] <sbcl3> tritium: i'm logged in as a normal user
[01:06] <Amaranth> hmm
[01:06] <goofrider> tritium, np  :)  and stop pointing I hate pointers
[01:06] <Amaranth> my other nick is opped... :)
[01:06] <tritium> Thirsteh, actually, it's considered by most to be more secure than having a root account.  Please see that URL.
[01:06] <Thirsteh> goofrider, Trickyphillips, if I change the root password to something else, when I sudo from my main account, will it prompt me for my own, or for roots?
[01:06] <clausme> crimsum
[01:06] <gfoxiness> char1iecha1k, on 3rd country :)
[01:06] <goofrider> Thirsteh, your own
[01:06] <clausme> is anywhere here
[01:06] <Thirsteh> tritium, not Trickyphillips
[01:06] <ermanox> does m3mirror still work with Xorg?
[01:06] <tritium> Thirsteh, sudo asks for your password.
[01:06] <goofrider> Thirsteh, su ask for root password, sudo ask for your user password
[01:06] <clausme> tritium do you have news on crimsun
[01:07] <gfoxiness> char1iecha1k, ksa
[01:07] <clausme> i need help with my sound card
[01:07] <tritium> clausme, he's moving this weekend across country.  He won't be around for a few days, I imagine.
[01:07] <Thirsteh> So if someone made something malicious that you would install, that would run in the background and constantly try to sudo something, it could do that right after I sudo something? (Considering it remembers sudo)?
[01:07] <gfoxiness> clausme, what is your problem
[01:07] <goofrider> I'm gonna explode if there's another question about  sound problem
[01:07] <clausme> g-phone
[01:07] <clausme> is awailebele in debian
[01:07] <clausme> ?
[01:07] <clausme> i have an soundmax adi1888
[01:07] <Thirsteh> lol goofrider
[01:07] <tritium> Thirsteh, no, it would have to know your account name.
[01:07] <Thirsteh> :P
[01:07] <pepsi> goofrider, i have a problem with my sound.. can you help?
[01:07] <pepsi> :D
[01:08] <clausme> can't hear 5.1 sound
[01:08] <Thirsteh> tritium, true..
[01:08] <tritium> Thirsteh, if you enable the root account, it's not hard to guess that account name...
[01:08] <goofrider> oh my u killed goofrider. u bastard
[01:08] <clausme> man
[01:08] <clausme> but this is the problem
[01:08] <clausme> what i must do
[01:08] <goofrider> tritium, hmmm... maybe the account name is..um... root?
[01:08] <Thirsteh> tritium, yeah, but people finding out what my main account password is wouldn't be a problem
[01:09] <gfoxiness> goofrider, my xchat sound not work
[01:09] <tritium> goofrider, my point exactly.  That makes sudo use more secure
[01:09] <Thirsteh> I can see your point, but you don't see mine
[01:09] <tritium> Which?
[01:09] <Thirsteh> What I just said
[01:09] <goofrider> Thirsteh, then u need to have a strong passwor
[01:09] <Thirsteh> lol
[01:09] <Thirsteh> Whatever...
[01:10] <goofrider> Thirsteh, just as u need a strong root password (if u have a root account)
[01:10] <tritium> Thirsteh, obviously, you want your account password protected.
[01:10] <char1iecha1k> tritium is there a way to enable smp in install cd?
[01:11] <tritium> char1iecha1k, I don't recall if the install CD has an smp kernel on it, but you can certainly install one
[01:11] <gfoxiness> can some one please help me with my sound on xchat not work
[01:11] <goofrider> Thirsteh, but u have to understand, very few ppl ever change their password.... fewer change their root passwrd
[01:11] <char1iecha1k> tritium so once it is installed i can then install/update to a new smp kernel?
[01:11] <tritium> char1iecha1k, yes.
[01:11] <goofrider> Thirsteh, so having a root password, rarel changed, share by multiple admin users, is a pretty dangerous thing
[01:12] <char1iecha1k> oh boy
[01:12] <gfoxiness> is there web site like http://rpm.pbone.net/ for deb ?
[01:12] <tritium> char1iecha1k, which architecture do you have?
[01:12] <karljp> anyone know why I cant start my rsync server?
[01:12] <karljp> start-stop-daemon: Unable to open pidfile `/var/run/rsync.pid' for writing: Permission denied
[01:12] <goofrider> karljp, sudo baby sudo
[01:12] <char1iecha1k> tritium the one i want it for is dual pIII 450 i think they are katmai core
[01:13] <karljp> jesus, how did I fuck that up
[01:13] <tritium> char1iecha1k, then you'd want to "sudo aptitude (or apt-get) install linux-686-smp"
[01:13] <mkde> i just installed a java package as described on the Java wiki page. How do i get the mozilla plugin working?
[01:13] <goofrider> gfoxiness, http://apt-get.org/????
[01:13] <Thirsteh> mkde, www.ubuntuguide.org :)
[01:14] <Thirsteh> mkde, look under "How do I install Java with support for Firefox", just do the linking steps
[01:14] <tritium> ubuntuguide.org advice on Java is poor
[01:14] <mkde> Thirsteh, i have an allergy to that
[01:14] <Thirsteh> Shrug
[01:14] <tritium> java-package is the preferred approach (builds your own java .deb)
[01:14] <mkde> tritium, can you help me out? ;)
[01:14] <karljp> ubuntuguide.org advice is poor on a lot of fronts
[01:14] <LinuxJones> gfoxiness, >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[01:14] <char1iecha1k> tritium unfortunatly RHL and RHEL dont seem to install my symbios scsi card, i also want gnome i hate kd, and yoper doesnt like my graphics card
[01:14] <goofrider> tritium, I've heard plenty of objection about Marillat as well
[01:14] <mr_roboto> link jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so to your plugins directory
[01:14] <goofrider> in ubuntuguide.org, that is
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> goofrider: yeah he defaults to 'x11' in mplayer.
[01:14] <tritium> goofrider, yep
[01:15] <mkde> tritium, i used a package from "ubuntu.tower-net.de"
[01:15] <gfoxiness> thanks LinuxJones
[01:15] <goofrider> HrdwrBoB, ?????
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> goofrider: most useless default setting ever
[01:15] <tritium> char1iecha1k, so use ubuntu ;)
[01:15] <_hp_> anyone here run ubuntu on a laptop on a college campus?
[01:15] <goofrider> HrdwrBoB, r u mebaran151?
[01:15] <char1iecha1k> tritium thats what i am going to try, i had this live cd lying around for a while
[01:15] <tritium> mkde, oh...sorry, I don't know anything about that site or its packages
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> no, I'm HrdwrBoB
[01:16] <tritium> char1iecha1k, sounds like a Warty LiveCD?  I'd get an Hoary install CD...
[01:16] <gfoxiness> goofrider, http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=firefox&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386 is this exp. will work with ubuntu ?
[01:16] <goofrider> HrdwrBoB, oh u mean ubuntuguide did
[01:16] <gfoxiness> goofrider, or it broken stuff
[01:16] <mkde> tritium, its the first method mentioned on the "Java" page on the wiki
[01:16] <tritium> mkde, ah, one of the bad bits of advice ;)
[01:16] <goofrider> gfoxiness, I wouldn't know unless I tried it and break my box.
[01:16] <goofrider> gfoxiness, so no thanks. y don't YOU try it
[01:16] <goofrider> ROTFL
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> goofrider: I don't know about ubuntuguide, I'm talking about the defaults on the marilatt's repo
[01:16] <char1iecha1k> tritium going to have to try tomoroow now wont d/l in time. basically i want this pc to do some light file/web serving
[01:16] <tritium> mkde, sorry, I can't really support ubuntuguide, esp. where it deviates from the recommended approach
[01:16] <goofrider> HrdwrBoB, oh oh OK  :)
[01:17] <tritium> char1iecha1k, I think you'll like it
[01:17] <gfoxiness> goofrider, lol sure thanks for try to help or try to broken my sys ;)
[01:17] <mkde> tritium, as I say, i didn't use ubuntuguide, i have an allergy to it, I followed a page on the wiki
[01:17] <char1iecha1k> tritium i like the live cd
[01:17] <meg> ubuntu
[01:17] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB: marillat is preferred over backports 'hoary-extras' ?
[01:17] <mkde> tritium, would you point me to the recommended approach pls?
[01:17] <mkde> stuNNed, do you prefer death by sword or axe?
[01:17] <goofrider> gfoxiness, honestly though, my guess it as good as yours. but be careful about third-party packages. we can't help u much if u break things
[01:18] <clausme> hay
[01:18] <char1iecha1k> tritium the real test will be if everything is detected and installed properly!! oh and does it default to gnome?
[01:18] <tritium> mkde, install java-package, download Sun's .bin installer, and build your own .deb from it using make-jpkg
[01:18] <stuNNed> mkde: ?
[01:18] <tritium> char1iecha1k, yep
[01:18] <char1iecha1k> groovey
[01:18] <mkde> Trickyphillips, which repo is java-package in do you know?
[01:18] <goofrider> stuNNed, I'd rather u use Backports
[01:18] <mkde> damn
[01:18] <clausme> my xmms stac when y try to play a file
[01:18] <mkde> tritium, ^^
[01:18] <clausme> an mp3 file
[01:18] <tritium> mkde, multiverse
[01:18] <goofrider> stuNNed, at least they don't have a much of core kdelibs like Marilaat does
[01:18] <Burgundavia> stuNNed, hoary-extras are at least built for hoary, unlike marilliat
[01:18] <tritium> Okay, guys, I need to go now.
[01:19] <mkde> thanks Trickyphillips
[01:19] <mkde> damn!
[01:19] <stuNNed> Burgundavia and goofrider thanks mates
[01:19] <mkde> tritium, ty
[01:19] <gfoxiness> i have usb bluetooth what i need to get it work on my sys ?
[01:19] <tritium> mkde, sure, sorry I can't be more specific now.  I need to get back to work.
[01:19] <char1iecha1k> tritium thanks for all the help i will no doubt be back in here tomorow hopefully not for troubleshooting !!!
[01:19] <mkde> that Java wiki page is pretty unreliable then i guess. Should be updated
[01:19] <char1iecha1k> cya
[01:19] <goofrider> stuNNed, remember, backports are unsupported. so try it AYOR
[01:19] <tritium> char1iecha1k, awesome!  We'll be glad to have you in the community :)
[01:19] <thoreauputic> clausme: try enabling the esd output plugin in xmms
[01:20] <stuNNed> goofrider: k danks :D
[01:20] <goofrider> mkde, what's with the Java wiki page?
[01:20] <goofrider> it should be fine
[01:21] <Brandonn> what are you using bluetooth for?
[01:21] <goofrider> I just wish ppl doesn't upload sun's JDK.. It's sooo illegal
[01:21] <gfoxiness> what the problem of xchat with sound on linux , why it not work like we guess ?
[01:21] <mkde> goofrider, well tritium has told me that some of those methods are not the correct way to install java support
[01:22] <gfoxiness> i think this app "xchat" must be ready to use out of the box
[01:22] <goofrider> mkde, make-jpkg is the official method, right?
[01:22] <mkde> goofrider, thats what he said
[01:23] <goofrider> mkde, that;s what I meant, a lot of ppl has provided their own DEB version of Sun JDK (they made it with make-jpkg, then share it on their web server)
[01:23] <mkde> goofrider, guess lots of them add it to that page too ;)
[01:23] <MuStR> has anyone successfully used cedega to install a game? I'm having trouble
[01:23] <gfoxiness> who can i use fdisk to create new partition on free space ? "i knew cfdisk"
[01:23] <goofrider> mkde, yes, and there's like 3-4 different URL u can get them, all diferent versions
[01:23] <goofrider> mkde, I think I should clean that up
[01:24] <meg> kkk
[01:24] <gfoxiness> MuStR, http://www.linuxlookup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=60
[01:24] <mkde> goofrider, that would be cool thanks :)
[01:24] <goofrider> mkde, did he say blackdown is ok?
[01:24] <goofrider> i'd assume so but just wanna make sure
[01:25] <Cortex> #ubuntu-fr sur irc.freenode.net
[01:25] <clausme> there ios a problem with xmms whan tryng to play mp3 files from an mounted windows ntfs partition there is an way to rezolve the stack problem
[01:25] <clausme> ?
[01:25] <Cortex> JOIN #ubuntu-fr sur irc.freenode.net
[01:25] <goofrider> Cortex,  it's /join
[01:25] <gfoxiness> Cortex, :)
[01:25] <mkde> goofrider, he didn't say that, so i'm not sure. I tried method 1 but it didn't work for the firefox plugin. Maybe i needed to do something else
[01:26] <clausme> there ios a problem with xmms whan tryng to play mp3 files from an mounted windows ntfs partition there is an way to rezolve the stack problem
[01:26] <clausme> ?
[01:26] <Cortex> Thank you a lot goofrider !
[01:26] <goofrider> mkde, u just need to symlink the mozilla plugin to firefox's dir
[01:26] <shin> hi everyone...
[01:26] <mkde> goofrider, ok cool, i'll have a look for the mozilla plugin
[01:26] <zkruw> having trouble with my bloody radeon 9800 pro, worked fine on ubuntu original kernel (2.6.10-6), but i needed to upgrade to get my promise sata card working, i did a apt search and found the 2.6.11-1 kernel, installed and all harddrives worked, but know im unable to get the correct drivers for my gfx card, there are none on the server and i got another trouble when i followed this howto: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5356, my usernam
[01:26] <zkruw> e is (manadskort)
[01:26] <MuStR> thanks for the link, gfoxiness.
[01:26] <shin> any idea why i suddenly lost the ability to write in graphical mode?
[01:27] <goofrider> mkde, it came with the Sun JDK/JRE!!!!
[01:27] <Linforcer> heh, I just told m girfriend I like my women like I like I like my programming
[01:27] <shin> i can still use the mouse properly though and write in text mode
[01:27] <goofrider> :)
[01:27] <mkde> goofrider, sure, i just need to look for it locally
[01:27] <MuStR> logical?
[01:27] <Linforcer> C++
[01:27] <thoreauputic> shin: writer's block?
[01:27] <mkde> LOL
[01:27] <MuStR> rofl are you serious?
[01:27] <zkruw> i could kill for some help :)
[01:27] <Linforcer> I di tell her
[01:27] <goofrider> mkde, check the wiki and ubuntuguide.org. I think they have the full path
[01:27] <shin> thoreauputic: xD
[01:27] <Linforcer> I had to explain though
[01:28] <synd> where/how can i get system meters like the one in the bottom left corner of this http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/dsl-0.8.png
[01:28] <goofrider> i better go
[01:28] <goofrider> ttyl guys
[01:28] <mkde> bye
[01:28] <mkde> thanks
[01:28] <goofrider> np. cheers
[01:28] <g14> synd: Look for gkrellm or gdesklets
[01:29] <shin> anyone can help?...
[01:29] <synd> g14, i supposed those arent in the repos?
[01:29] <thoreauputic> synd: of course they are :)
[01:29] <synd> thoreauputic, : )
[01:30] <thoreauputic> synd: I think gkrellm is in Universe
[01:30] <g14> synd: Well I am looking at gkrellm and a whole bunch of plugins for it under synaptic
[01:30] <BBurger> hey all, i installed lm-sensors last night, but which front-end works with Ubuntu? Syn shows three available: ksensors, xsensors, and wmsensors
[01:30] <darkaudit> thoreauputic: so is gdesklets
[01:30] <synd> thoreauputic, g14, nice..
[01:30] <synd> any suggestions?
[01:30] <g14> synd: gkrellm is more stable than gdesklets. I've used them both
[01:31] <darkaudit> BBurger: k or x... wm is just a little box applet for the WindowMaker dock
[01:31] <MelRoman> Hi folks.  Has anyone here ever got Evolution to work with LDAP?  I'm using Hoary Ubuntu.  LDAP seems to work with other clients (eg: Kontact), but I can't seem to get Evolution to work with LDAP.  Any ideas what might be wrong?
[01:31] <g14> synd: But then again, gdesklets offer much more eyecandy. Like kde's superkaramba
[01:31] <shin> i can still switch things using ctrl and alt...
[01:31] <darkaudit> sensors, that is :)
[01:32] <BBurger> darkaudit: thanks, will try ksensors.
[01:32] <darkaudit> BBurger: ksensors is also much more configuable than xsensors... you can choose which sensors you want to monitor
[01:33] <sbcl3> what does putting a regular user in the "root" group do to that user?
[01:33] <sbcl3> does it give that user all the permissions root has?
[01:33] <synd> g14, thanks again
[01:33] <g14> synd: np
[01:33] <synd> g14, im checking out gkrellm as we speak : D
[01:34] <synd> christ i love synaptic :)
[01:34] <sbcl3> can anyone answer my question?
[01:34] <zkruw> please take a look at this thread and se if you can help me :) http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5356
[01:35] <arfox> how can i create ubuntu-loc ?
[01:35] <mkde> damn, i've just installed a java deb, and i want to get the firefox plugin working, and the relevant link seems to be in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugin but its not working! help?
[01:36] <Xgates> say with the install for English, USA, under "Locale" do we use en_us or en_us.UTF-8 ?
[01:36] <g14> sbcl3, It allows them to access files in the root group that have write access for their group
[01:36] <Xgates> I forgot whats with the UTF-8?
[01:36] <arfox> i want to create local channel for ubuntu ? what i need to do that please ?
[01:37] <mkde> arfox, /j #nameofchannel
[01:37] <g14> Xgates: UTF makes it easier to display non english charachters
[01:37] <mkde> arfox, then /msg help chanserv
[01:37] <mkde> damn
[01:37] <scott> shouldn't I have a /dev/nvram? why don't I have one and how do I get one?
[01:37] <mkde> arfox, /msg chanserv help
[01:37] <Xgates> g14: ahh when we surfing some Chinese site
[01:37] <Xgates> hehe
[01:37] <keffo> like  \o/
[01:37] <g14> Xgates: No, it's for when your downloading the leaked windows 2000 source code from some russian website
[01:38] <Xgates> mkde: if I'm not mistaken in Ubuntu like other distros you'll need to make a symlink for it to the /.mozilla/plugins direc
[01:38] <Xgates> g14: LOL
[01:38] <g14> Time for dinner
[01:38] <Xgates> ok UTF crack then
[01:38] <Xgates> :p
[01:38] <arfox> mkde, thanks
[01:39] <mkde> Xgates, i don't have that directory
[01:39] <Xgates> mkde: or .firefox then
[01:39] <mkde> Xgates, there neither
[01:40] <Xgates> you have firefox installed?\
[01:40] <mkde> Xgates, i've looked all inside of those directories
[01:40] <mkde> Xgates, inside .mozilla/firefox/etc there is no plugins dir
[01:40] <BBurger> darkaudit: installed ksensors, but it doesn't seem to be picking anything up. will it work w/ an ASUS A7N8X-E Dlx Mobo?
[01:40] <Xgates> mkde: ok wait you have the .mozilla direc in your $HOME?
[01:40] <mkde> Xgates, sure
[01:41] <mkde> Xgates, just not a plugins dir
[01:41] <Xgates> ok
[01:41] <Xgates> mkde: I said it was in .mozilla/plugins
[01:41] <mkde> my other plugins are in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[01:41] <mkde> Xgates, you think i should make that directory then?
[01:41] <scott> anyone know how to get /dev/nvram
[01:41] <Xgates> well I'm just getting ready to install Ubuntu I dont have it in at the moment, I'm thinking about how this is done in other distros at the moment
[01:42] <MelRoman> Has anyone got Evolution to work with LDAP?
[01:42] <arfox> can anyone here help me to reg ubuntu-ar ?
[01:42] <mkde> arfox, you haven't had nearly enough time to read the help!
[01:42] <Lafitte-> http://publibn.boulder.ibm.com/doc_link/en_US/a_doc_lib/files/aixfiles/nvram.htm
[01:43] <mkde> Xgates, ok i linked it in that dir, but no dice
[01:43] <arfox> mkde, am do it but can not understand the next am not here to wist other time to safe time
[01:43] <shin> how can i scroll up in a terminal?
[01:44] <Xgates> mkde: ok well typically in other distros plugins are linked to .mozilla/plugins so not sure if Ubuntu is following the same, but I'd think it should, I'll know for sure in a few once I get it installed
[01:45] <mkde> Xgates, k np
[01:45] <mkde> shin, ctrl and pgup ?
[01:46] <mkde> shin, sorry shift and pgup
[01:46] <goldfish> shin: shift + a + pageup
[01:46] <goldfish> meh
[01:46] <goldfish> no need for a
[01:46] <shin> er... i meant in text mode
[01:46] <shin> is terminal the right word?
[01:46] <arfox> mkde, after i type /help is there no command about reg channel
[01:47] <thomas__> can anyone help me install racer
[01:47] <thomas__> the game?
[01:47] <_hp_> wonderboy, probably, but you need to ask specific questions
[01:47] <shin> um...
[01:47] <clausme> hello there is a theme
[01:48] <clausme> outh there similar to windows
[01:48] <shin> is there ANY way to save in vi not using the keyboard? ^^'
[01:48] <_hp_> shin, no
[01:48] <clausme> don't think so
[01:48] <shin> meh...
[01:48] <_hp_> shin, why do you need to save w/o a keyboard?
[01:48] <clausme> hello windows theme for ubuntu
[01:48] <clausme> ?
[01:49] <_hp_> clausme, google gnome themes you'll find plently of them
[01:49] <clausme> k
[01:49] <clausme> thx
[01:49] <Thirsteh> clausme, http://art.gnome.org
[01:49] <shin> _hp_: cause my keyboard somehow died ;.;
[01:49] <shin> and noone can help
[01:49] <_hp_> shin, *cough* what are you using to talk in here? hardwired into the net?
[01:50] <wonderboy> well i have the beta version
[01:50] <shin> _hp_: i meant.. its not working in graphical mode... :D
[01:50] <wonderboy> it comes with the windows files
[01:50] <sbcl3> where is "autogen.sh" kept?
[01:50] <wonderboy> and the linux executable
[01:50] <sbcl3> i jsut installed it and need to run it manually
[01:50] <Amaranth> that reminds me...am i the only one that likes to take all the keys off his keyboard and try to type?
[01:50] <shin> _hp_: though i can use ctrl and alt to do some stuff but not write...
[01:50] <wonderboy> i know that i put the linux exe in the games folder
[01:50] <wonderboy> but where do i put the files
[01:50] <_hp_> shin, try toget a virtual keyboard
[01:51] <shin> _hp_: how?
[01:51] <_hp_> wonderboy, are you trying to install a windows game on linux?
[01:51] <wonderboy> no
[01:51] <wonderboy> it is the racer game
[01:51] <sbcl3> nevermind
[01:51] <BBurger> nobody uses ksensors here?
[01:51] <sbcl3> i'll do this anjuta install later
[01:51] <wonderboy> and to install it it said to download the windows binaries
[01:51] <wonderboy> and the linux exe
[01:51] <_hp_> shin, go to synaptic and get gtkeyboard
[01:52] <shin> i cant go to synaptic...
[01:52] <mr_roboto> BBurger: I like grellm better for the measurements i like to look at
[01:52] <shin> _hp_: i cant go to synaptic...
[01:52] <mkde> shin, you could also check your x configuration: look in the conf file /etc/X11/xorg.conf and the log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:52] <mr_roboto> BBurger: I mean gkrellm
[01:52] <_hp_> shin, you can probably get it through apt-get, what can't you go to synaptic?
[01:52] <clausme> found them
[01:52] <Xgates> for Nvidia nforce2 is there anything that needs to be done for the install setup of that?
[01:52] <clausme> now how do i install them
[01:52] <clausme> ?
[01:53] <_hp_> shin, i am not sure, but i think that vi saves by default if it you get it to crash
[01:53] <_hp_> shin, but don't try it
[01:53] <shin> _hp_: im trying to open it through console
[01:53] <wonderboy> how do i open synaptic
[01:53] <shin> or terminal... or whatever...
[01:53] <_hp_> wonderboy, system > administration
[01:53] <Xgates> because when I went to load modules it came back saying it can find ide mods?
[01:53] <mkde> wonderboy, from the menu, system -> admin
[01:53] <Xgates> hmm
[01:53] <sbcl3> does anjuta have an IRC channel?
[01:54] <_hp_> shin, are you using X at all?
[01:54] <wonderboy> thank u
[01:54] <wonderboy> i just got this today
[01:54] <mkde> sbcl3, no
[01:54] <_hp_> wonderboy, you'll love synaptic
[01:54] <mkde> sbcl3, at least, not on this network
[01:54] <_hp_> synaptic would be better than sex if sex were worse
[01:54] <sbcl3> heh
[01:54] <sbcl3> yeah
[01:54] <MuStR> rofl
[01:54] <shin> _hp_: yes... but not now...
[01:54] <sbcl3> has anyone here gotten anjuta installed successfully through synaptic? because I can't
[01:55] <shin> _hp_: as i said... my keyboard somehow kinda died...
[01:55] <] BreliC[> has anyone successfully streamed from a tv tuner card through VLC over the web?
[01:55] <ermanox> any have a ibook and gotten a external monitor to work????
[01:55] <_hp_> ermanox, #mac
[01:57] <ermanox> ok, anyone have a ibook and gotten a external monitor to work with xorg??
[01:57] <PrediusV2> In mutt, where are attachments saved?
[01:57] <manitoba98xp> Has anyone managed to get LDAP to work in Evolution 2.2.1.1 in Hoary? It's working in Kontact (although only through LDAP lookup, not as an addressbook), and M$ Outlook Express.
[01:58] <Xgates> I'm getting this unable to load some modules window at install
[01:58] <Xgates> ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy
[01:58] <Xgates> I cant remember
[01:58] <Xgates> hehe
[01:58] <Xgates> but I have a nforce2 mobo
[01:58] <Xgates> is this a problem for the install?
[01:59] <Simpleton> is it possible to get read and write support for ntfs in linux?
[01:59] <BBurger> mr_roboto: might try gkrellm, but I'm wondering why ksensors isn't sensing anything at all...
[01:59] <Simpleton> Stable read and wr ite support that is
[01:59] <manitoba98xp> Can anyone help me with LDAP & Evolution.
[01:59] <Xgates> Simpleton: write support is in NTFS but I would not use it
[01:59] <Xgates> read is stable but write can still mess it up
[02:01] <Simpleton> is there any plans/ people working on creating a stable one?
[02:02] <Xgates> Simpleton: just type NTFS in Google there is a site for it
[02:02] <Xgates> anyone know is there any special BOOT parameters needed for install using a Nforce2 mobo?
[02:04] <nico8481> re
[02:04] <BBurger> has anyone gotten ksensors/libsensor to work with a new ASUS mobo? i have heard that asus's linux compatibility is low...
[02:04] <CarlK> Xgates - thinking of captive-ntfs?
[02:05] <neighborlee> what is the definitive fix ( if any yet) or at least workaround for the nvidia freezing problems ???
[02:05] <synd> ouch
[02:05] <Xgates> DAMMM
[02:05] <ChinaCatJones> I researched writing to NTFS quite a bit the other day, the issue seems to be that NTFS is M$ proprietary and they occasionally change things, M$ views the closed arch. as part of their security model
[02:05] <Xgates> what are we having a SPLIT
[02:05] <Xgates> hehe
[02:06] <fjellapa> check captive-ntfs for NTFS write support
[02:06] <BBurger> looks like a bunch of ppl got dropped. oops. :)
[02:06] <fjellapa> Anyone got ATI Radeon 9600 working with 3d?
[02:06] <Xgates> CarlK:  no thinking this site URL --->http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/
[02:07] <Xgates> I wouldnt use write support in Linux just yet for NTDFS
[02:07] <Xgates> ntfs ....
[02:07] <BBurger> fjellapa: my ATI 9600XT works fine in U in 3d. lovely 3d screensavers!
[02:08] <CarlK> I have been told "don't use a sound server"  - that would be esd and polypaudio, right?
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB_> yes
[02:08] <manitoba98xp> Has anyone got LDAP working with Evolution or Kontact on Hoary?
[02:09] <CarlK> ok, so how do I make sure I am not using them?
[02:10] <nico8481> i have a problem to play some quicktime videos... there's no video actually, only the sound is playing...
[02:10] <Lafitte-> nico8481,  download quicktime or realplayer
[02:10] <nico8481> i think i already managed to solve this with a previous distrib by changing the codec to use in totem's config file but i don't remember what exactly...
[02:10] <fjellapa> BBurger, What do you get in glxgears?
[02:11] <nico8481> hmm...
[02:12] <Burgundavia> fjellapa, given that I set his machine up, he does have 3d accel
[02:12] <Lafitte-> nico8481,  read here www.ubuntuguide.com   they have very easy cut and paste resolutions for that
[02:12] <nico8481> thx
[02:12] <BBurger> ah, my beer-powered tech support is here! Hi Burgundavia
[02:12] <fjellapa> Burgundavia, How did you install the drivers?
[02:12] <Burgundavia> fjellapa, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:12] <BBurger> dumb q: got glxgears running, but how do you STOP it & get numbers from it?
[02:13] <Burgundavia> BBurger, numbers come every 5 seconds
[02:13] <fjellapa> BBurger, it spits out numbers in the terminal
[02:13] <darkaudit> BBurger: run it from a terminal
[02:14] <BBurger> OK, got that. I'm getting 1400-1800 FPS, with one spike up to 5500 FPS!!
[02:15] <BBurger> That's with RythmBox, syn, and a bunch of other stuff running too
[02:15] <Burgundavia> BBurger, on par with mine
[02:15] <BBurger> actually, scratch that. It seems to have stabilized @ about 5400-5500 FPS now
[02:16] <darkaudit> low of 4800... avg of about 5300 :)
[02:16] <manitoba98xp> Does anyone have an LDAP client working? Kontact or Evolution?
[02:16] <manitoba98xp> Preferably Evolution?
[02:16] <fjellapa> Burgundavia, I'll check it out. thanks
[02:16] <BBurger> how come running glxgears from Applications --> Run App works differently?
[02:17] <Burgundavia> BBurger, how so?
[02:17] <darkaudit> wiping the XP box... unfortunately I have to put XP back on it
[02:18] <BBurger> no FPS reporting. the pretty pics run fine, but no built-in reporting in glxgears i guess?
[02:18] <Burgundavia> BBurger, no, it spits to standard out
[02:18] <] BreliC[> Other than VLC (since I don't have a WinTV PVR 250 or 350, what could be used to stream TV over the web?
[02:18] <BBurger> understood. thnx.
[02:18] <] BreliC[> an Icecast server maybe?
[02:19] <Burgundavia> ] BreliC[, fluendo has a streaming server flumotion
[02:19] <] BreliC[> Burgundavia, thanks... i'll check it out
[02:19] <darkaudit> since I can't apt-get dist-upgrade my TiVo
[02:20] <nobile> what is the name of that program to edit music?  audigy?
[02:20] <goldfish> yup
[02:20] <goldfish> nice program it is
[02:20] <darkaudit> audacity
[02:20] <goldfish> Shit.
[02:20] <goldfish> lol
[02:20] <nobile> thanks!
[02:20] <nobile> hehe
[02:20] <goldfish> I think that's the sign I need to sleep.
[02:20] <nobile> =(
[02:20] <darkaudit> audigy is the sound card... and a fine one it is :)
[02:20] <nobile> I can't find it in synaptic
[02:21] <goldfish> nobile: have you enabled the extra repos?
[02:21] <nobile> hmm
[02:21] <nobile> probably not
[02:21] <nobile> =P
[02:21] <nobile> how do I do it?
[02:21] <goldfish> nobile: ubuntuguide.org
[02:21] <goldfish> the how to add repositories section
[02:21] <darkaudit> nobile: stock sources.list has the lines with the universe repo commented out... uncomment them :)
[02:22] <Razor-X> o_O
[02:22] <Razor-X> it takes so much effort to move a mouse
[02:22] <goldfish> Or that :)
[02:22] <Razor-X> how did I ever do it....
[02:22] <goldfish> Indeed.
[02:22] <darkaudit> Razor-X: you're not supposed to use your tongue
[02:23] <Lafitte-> anyone know how to install any porn blockers in ubuntu  so kids can tget to the porn
[02:24] <hypa7ia> Lafitte-: there are some howto's out there on squid proxies.  they let you do that
[02:24] <BBurger> Lafitte-:  why are you trying to stunt your kids' education, man?
[02:24] <Razor-X> darkaudit: heh
[02:24] <Razor-X> i'm using a trackball
[02:24] <BBurger> just kidding
[02:24] <Razor-X> I tried using a mouse again
[02:24] <K_Dallas> Lafitte-: the simplest thing would be to use firefox + some rules to filter sites
[02:24] <Lafitte-> hehe    client machine acutally   he doesnt want his 14 year old doing that
[02:24] <Razor-X> it's like..... so taking on my wrist
[02:24] <darkaudit> Lafitte-: how about 'parents in the room' whenever they're online? :)
[02:24] <Razor-X> i'm 14!
[02:25] <Lafitte-> ok   i have a site for add on to adblock  let me try that
[02:25] <BBurger> well, mostly. Most filters are pretty useless, at least the MS-based ones I've seen...
[02:25] <Xgates> Lafitte-: it's called good --> PARENTING and you wont have that problem :-)
[02:25] <Razor-X> look, if he wants to break a filter, he can
[02:25] <Razor-X> _trust_ me
[02:25] <Lafitte-> Xgates,  called stfu
[02:25] <Xgates> btw I dont think there any apps for Linux
[02:25] <Razor-X> Xgates: no, some parents want filters
[02:25] <Xgates> Lafitte-:  don't come a attitude with me noob
[02:26] <BBurger> Razor-X: you know whereof you speak, huh? :)
[02:26] <Razor-X> my parents' solution is to give me a ETA on every single piece of homework I do
[02:26] <CarlK> Razor-X noone said "how to block porn?" the request was "how to install a filter for a client so I can get paid"
[02:26] <Razor-X> well, then again, they limit everything, including my bathrom time
[02:26] <Razor-X> they aren't the best of parents ;)
[02:26] <hypa7ia> Lafitte-: http://desktops.linux.com/desktops/04/07/01/1833212.shtml?tid=49&tid=99&tid=13
[02:26] <Thirsteh> How can I find out what a running app is niced too?
[02:26] <Thirsteh> to?
[02:26] <Lafitte-> Xgates,  you must not know anything about parenting i guess    so  i would take the last tell to heart
[02:26] <holycow> Razor-X, hows ubuntu working out? do they know yet?
[02:26] <BBurger> Razor-X: Good thing they aren't on IRC too, i guess
[02:26] <hypa7ia> dansguardian.  that was the one i was thinking about
[02:27] <BBurger> must go. later, all
[02:27] <Lafitte-> hypa7ia,  ty   looks like a good site for me
[02:27] <Xgates> Lafitte-: I have 3 kids, 8, 11, 13 and been married 15 years I know plenty, and then some :-)
[02:27] <levander> Some reason, mplayer doesn't want to download audio files for me in the background, is dying when I try that with some cryptic message.  Anybody know a command line option or something to let mplayer run in the background?
[02:27] <K_Dallas> anyone has ever used a 3COM dual link modem? It comes with a few switches on the back and i have no clue how to configure them
[02:27] <Lafitte-> Xgates,      i have 17, 15, 14 and 27 monthes     so    shadup
[02:27] <Xgates> thats why I said what I said because its the best porn blocker around --> your guidance
[02:27] <nobile> I uncommented them
[02:28] <nobile> but still can't find audacity =P
[02:28] <darkaudit> Lafitte-: I don't know of any filters, but a good start would be to have the computer in a main room, and *not* in a kid's bedroom... having to surf in the open can put a damper on ill intent
[02:28] <Lafitte-> Xgates,  and as far as the nube comment    yes  im very new to linux
[02:29] <Lafitte-> darkaudit,  yeah  ill tell him that for sure
[02:29] <_hp_> we were all nubes at one point
[02:29] <Xgates> Lafitte-: and next time dont tell someone to stfu dont be rude its not cool, I just meant that as some truth is all maybe I shouldnt of typed that in CAPS I apologize I guess I went around that the wrong way, so sorry but lets keep it cool  ;)
[02:29] <Lafitte-> i have a windows program sitting here  unfortunatly the old laptop could support the install of xp
[02:29] <Determinist> hey guys , a question: http://www.base17.hostorm.biz/Bash.png <--- how can i make my gnome menu look like this?
[02:29] <darkaudit> a teenager isn't gonna go looking for porn if he has to share the room with Grandma watching her stories on the TV :)
[02:30] <_hp_> Lafitte-, you can run windows apps with wine or crossover?
[02:30] <Lafitte-> Xgates,  its very rude to say try good parenting  when im actually trying to help a guy be god parent and install a porno blocker
[02:30] <nobile> goldfish or darkaudit, I uncommented the lines, but still can't find audacity on synaptic =P
[02:30] <darkaudit> nobile: did you press the reload button?
[02:30] <sbcl3> determinist: that looks cool
[02:30] <Lafitte-> _hp_,  im sure the kid will figure it out and get his porno   mine used to get floppies at school  and view them till i found out
[02:30] <nobile> on the way!
[02:31] <nobile> xP
[02:31] <Determinist> sbcl3, it does , doesnt it? :)
[02:31] <_hp_> Determinist, http://art.gnome.org , download the raqua theme and make the menu bigger
[02:31] <holycow> Determinist, go to art.gnome.org and download and install the theme you see there
[02:31] <sbcl3> determinist: I like the bash prompt's transparency too
[02:31] <Lafitte-> anyways  sorry to all about all that non ubuntu chat  :)
[02:31] <sbcl3> determinist: are you sure that's not KDE?
[02:31] <holycow> Determinist, the thingy on the lower right is gdesklet i think, the bash transparency i wouldn't use right now, it's kinda lame as it's a fake transparency.
[02:32] <Determinist> sbcl3, quite , yes , that definately doesnt look like kde ...
[02:32] <refuze2looze> how can i access my hd from the live cd?
[02:32] <Lafitte-> why is the sound broken from install in ubuntu
[02:32] <Xgates> Lafitte-:  again SORRY I should of said TRY working with the kids is all, because any blocker out there won't be much of a deterrent, there are ways around them if the kids really want it, thats all
[02:32] <sbcl3> i'm going to try and make my bash prompt like that :)
[02:32] <Lafitte-> ubuntuguide.org  has all these fixes for things that should work
[02:32] <Determinist> thanks for the answers guys , gonna go have a look
[02:32] <Determinist> sbcl3, there's a post on the ubuntuforums.org on how to do that
[02:33] <goldfish> nobile: sudo apt-get update ?
[02:33] <darkaudit> brb
[02:33] <holycow> refuze2looze, fdisk -l will tell you what partitions you have, create a dir in /media for yoru mount point, add partition to /etc/fstab then do sudo mount /media/mountppointfolder
[02:33] <Lafitte-> Xgates,  :)
[02:33] <refuze2looze> holycow: thanks
[02:34] <Xgates> hey holycow
[02:34] <IIIEars> Hello! Webserver, Websurfer, or Gamer - Ubuntu is wonderful :)
[02:34] <Xgates> holycow: well just built a new box, so going to give Ubuntu another shot maybe this time with a newer faster box it will run better
[02:34] <nobile> ^^
[02:34] <holycow> Xgates, oh hell no
[02:35] <holycow> why would you give ms any money at all?
[02:35] <Xgates> LOL
[02:35] <holycow> no seriously
[02:35] <Raag> Has anyone from Quebec ordered cds from shipit.ubuntulinux.org? I'm wondering how long it takes usually
[02:35] <Octane> 12111111111111111111111
[02:35] <sbcl3> determinist: how do I make the usr@computer:~ a different color?
[02:35] <Determinist> i wonder when a linux DE would implement actual transparency. :/ any plans on making anything like that soon or is that a definite no for now?
[02:35] <holycow> i don't understand why people buy xboxes, they are just shitty p700 pcs
[02:35] <Xgates> holycow: who money to M$?
[02:35] <Determinist> sbcl3, just a sec , i'll get you the url from which i got it , just a sec
[02:35] <holycow> you can get one like for 50$
[02:35] <holycow> *blink*
[02:36] <Xgates> ahh
[02:36] <holycow> holycow: well just built a new box <-- rofl, i thought that said xbox
[02:36] <holycow> haha
[02:36] <IIIEars> Xgates - webserver or Graphics intensive game. (UT2k4) it runs pretty well even on a tired 1.5g box.
[02:36] <MstbZalle> Raag: I've heard it takes ages to have the CD delivered, but it's free, so who cares?! ^^
[02:36] <Xgates> I'd never get a console with the hottest cards out there from ATI & Nvidia I mean how's a console suppose to come up to that
[02:36] <Determinist> sbcl3, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31247
[02:36] <Xgates> gaming in a PC cant be beat
[02:36] <Xgates> :-)
[02:37] <Xgates> next few weeks I'm going to snag a 6800GT
[02:37] <Xgates> :p
[02:37] <IIIEars> sounds great!
[02:37] <IIIEars> lol
[02:37] <Xgates> hehe
[02:37] <Xgates> dark: whos the card made by?
[02:37] <IIIEars> do they have that in PCI - rofl
[02:38] <Xgates> Leadtek, and eVGA have one for $300 they're the cheapest out there from them
[02:38] <dark> mines a pny
[02:38] <dark> paid 400 from compusa
[02:38] <Xgates> hmm
[02:38] <dark> paid another 30 for a 1 year warranty, or as i call it, an upgrade policy ^^
[02:38] <IIIEars> lol
[02:38] <Xgates> $299 from NewEgg and ZipZoomFly the evga and leadtek
[02:39] <Raag> MstbZalle: then I guess I'll keep downloading it even though I'm on dialup :P
[02:39] <IIIEars> do your overclocking on day 364 - eh?
[02:39] <dark> ^^
[02:39] <floam> Do any .debs exist for the current xorg snapshots (6.8.99.*). I sort of need these new ones because of their evdev support
[02:39] <floam> s/. I/? I/
[02:40] <IIIEars> Just installed UT2k4 - i am a newb - shocked when it played right off even added a menu entry. - grin
[02:41] <Xgates> yep Linux binaries, same with Doom3 and AA
[02:41] <Xgates> :-)
[02:41] <sbcl3> determiner: thanks
[02:41] <floam> IIIEars: be sure to update to the latest patch.
[02:41] <sbcl3> determinist: thanks
[02:41] <Razor-X> back
[02:41] <scott> I installed a newer version of totem-xine and libc6 out of debian unstable. how do I downgrade to the hoary version?
[02:41] <floam> IIIEars: It'll be very buggy and slow until you're on the latest version.
[02:41] <Vexor> hi everyone
[02:41] <IIIEars> played on a pci card even after warnings about slowdowns - more visual options avail. for opengl on my card than Windows - lol
[02:41] <Razor-X> how... evil, making people use mice
[02:42] <refuze2looze> how can i change the destination of apt-get for example to install packaged to my hd (/media/hd) from a LiveCD?
[02:42] <MstbZalle> lol
[02:42] <Razor-X> it's like... the evil of making people type QWERTY
[02:42] <floam> IIIEars: http://icculus.org/news/news.php?id=2337
[02:42] <Razor-X> only, worse
[02:42] <Vexor> I can imagine this has been discussed much, but what about these firefox updates?  Why so long?
[02:42] <floam> IIIEars: that's the latest one, which is about 7 versions ahead of what came on the CD
[02:42] <IIIEars> floam - it isn't swift - but i am playing PCI vid on a 1.5g - someone pinch me
[02:42] <floam> IIIEars: yeah, it's pretty fast.
[02:43] <floam> I'm on an Athlon 64 3200, and a 5900, I've got everything on max at 1600x1200, runs great.
[02:44] <Razor-X> Vexor: the security updates make your version of Firefox tantamount to the current, even if the version number is different
[02:44] <Determinist> sbcl3, np mate
[02:44] <Determinist> ohh , the ubuntu forums have alot of nifty little fixes and tips , finally my gnome menu doesnt have that ugly black foot on it :)
[02:44] <Edgan> How would I exclude a package from being updated with apt-get upgrade?
[02:44] <KoseFrank> Ok... Can anyone please try to help me with something?
[02:44] <Razor-X> KoseFrank: shoot
[02:45] <IIIEars> 3339 - i have a really odd reaction to zip files now.. - What the H*&& - do i do with it?
[02:45] <IIIEars> it is lost somewhere in a black hole called fileroller...
[02:45] <IIIEars> brb - Ubuntuwiki
[02:45] <Vexor> hmm
[02:45] <KoseFrank> I am desperate. Been reading page after page now, and I am giving up soon
[02:45] <njan> KoseFrank, ask your question
[02:45] <clausme> how do i install gnome themes
[02:45] <clausme> ?
[02:45] <KoseFrank> My sound dissappears when I load KDE
[02:45] <njan> clausme, drag/drop the .tar.gz files onto the 'select theme' window from gnome-themes-manager
[02:45] <refuze2looze> Anybody knows if it is possible to install packages to my hard drive with apt-get using a Live CD?
[02:46] <njan> clausme, or you can stick them in the right place in ~/.themes, but drag/drop's easier :p
[02:46] <abarbaccia> clausme, just open the theme manager and then drag and drop the downloaded tar file into the list
[02:46] <Determinist> http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=23232&file1=23232-1.png&file2=23232-2.png&file3=&name=Avalon+%28concept%29 <--- this could be ohh so cool
[02:46] <Kev12343> hi there, i was wondering whats the difference between installing kubuntu and installuing ubuntu and then later installiung the kde stuff with apt-get?
[02:46] <Vexor> so in other words, it would be a 1.0.3 release with the security patch?
[02:46] <Determinist> Kev12343, better integrated kde ?
[02:46] <Kev12343> crap, i gotta reinstall then
[02:46] <clausme> how do i open the thee mangaer
[02:46] <Determinist> Kev12343, gotta is a harsh word :)
[02:46] <clausme> where do i find it
[02:46] <clausme> ?
[02:47] <refuze2looze> Kev12343: i think if you do a ubuntu server install and then install X and KDE and whatever applications come with Kubuntu using apt-get it's about the same..
[02:47] <abarbaccia> clausme, try system preferences
[02:47] <Determinist> Kev12343, dont fix something unless it's broken , if it works , keep it
[02:47] <Kev12343> but i got all the programs working after 2 days:(
[02:47] <Razor-X> KoseFrank: hmmm, what's your soundcard model?
[02:47] <clausme> thx
[02:47] <Kev12343> well, im a KDE man
[02:47] <refuze2looze> Kev12343: you should give gnome a chance though..
[02:47] <Edgan> Vexor: Which would be silly, since as far as I know 1.0.4 is just the security patches, and 1.0.3 was another security release. Hoary started with something eariler than 1.0.3
[02:47] <Kev12343> i dont even want gnome apps on my comp
[02:47] <KoseFrank> Njan. There is no logic to this. if i start the computer with the gnope-desktop, the sound works fine. If I log out, and enter the KDE-system it works. But after a reboot, its not working.
[02:48] <Ghetek> i need something interesting to apt-get and play with
[02:48] <Kev12343> sorry, in my neighbourhood we dont look kindly to gnome
[02:48] <KoseFrank> It's an built in nvidia-soundcard
[02:48] <Determinist> Kev12343, dude, it's an OS , if it works , it just works , no need to reinstall everything just because doing it would be the "suggested" way
[02:48] <Edgan> Kev12343: Then use kubuntu
[02:48] <IIIEars> Anyone have a good tar script for ubuntu?
[02:48] <Vexor> Edgan, I understand that there are no new features, but wouldn't it be conducive to there policies to change the version number anyway, release centric or not?
[02:48] <Kev12343> but before i had gentoo and i just installed everything for kde, i didnt install any gnome apps, i had offoce and kmail and.... so i got used to it
[02:49] <Kev12343> i mean koffice
[02:49] <IIIEars> partimage is it then. - doh
[02:49] <veritas> Is koffice the same thing as oo except for KDE?
[02:49] <veritas> Oh, and does KDE stand for anything :x
[02:50] <Kev12343> yup
[02:50] <MstbZalle> *omg*
[02:50] <Kev12343> KDE = K dsktop environment
[02:50] <IIIEars> killer desktop environment? - grin
[02:50] <Kev12343> yea you got it
[02:50] <abarbaccia> Krappy
[02:50] <Flav> iirc, the first K was Kool or Kewl
[02:50] <KoseFrank> Sound server informational message Error while initializing the sound driver device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[02:50] <Kev12343> man why is everyone here anti kde?
[02:50] <Edgan> Vexor: My opinion hinges on if a release is really just security patches. Which you could find by diffing the two versions. A somewhat complicating factor might be patches that ubuntu adds on top of firefox. Which might work against 1.0.3, but not 1.0.4 cleanly.
[02:50] <Ghetek> i think kde is pretty
[02:50] <daniels> the k now doesn't stand for anything, used to stand for kool, and please can se not have the flames?
[02:50] <KoseFrank> What did that mean?
[02:51] <MstbZalle> Kev12343: b/c Ubuntu is Gnome-centric? *gg*
[02:51] <Kev12343> yea, KDE is sexy
[02:51] <sbcl3> it not
[02:51] <sbcl3> *is not
[02:51] <Edgan> Kev12343: Probably because Ubuntu is is a GNome distro, and hence you are among a bunch of gnome users
[02:51] <Vexor> Edgan, I see, that does make sense.
[02:51] <Determinist> i dont like KDE , it may be more flexible , but it requires too much tweaking to do what gnome does out of the box
[02:51] <abarbaccia> KDE is cool .... if you are trying to be *awesome* like windows
[02:51] <Kev12343> really? why though? the percentage of people using kde is so much more than gnome, why would such a new distro choose gnome?
[02:52] <lok> because gnome is good too
[02:52] <Ghetek> it was actually a mistake
[02:52] <Edgan> Kev12343: Personally I use a mix of both. I use the Gnome environment, Gnome apps, and some KDE apps like konqueror and kmail.
[02:52] <abarbaccia> Kev12343, because all the well known, established distros use gnome
[02:52] <Determinist> Kev12343, because as opposed to alot of other linux distros , ubuntu is meant for people who actually want computers to work and not have to dick with 200 things a day to make them work right
[02:52] <lok> no gnome is better choice than kde I think
[02:52] <sbcl3> lok: agreed
[02:52] <IIIEars> konquerer  is worth installing - even in gnome
[02:52] <abarbaccia> Determinist, nicely stated
[02:52] <Edgan> Kev12343: Maybe because the developers who develop Ubuntu like Gnome? Maybe because Ubuntu is based on Debian, and I think Debian leans more toward Gnome.
[02:52] <Ghetek> you see, the ubuntu gods sent down the "package of ubuntu" but forgot to add the "K" in front, so it was made without the "k" thereefore it is gnome
[02:53] <KoseFrank> Why does my system boot up with this message?
[02:53] <Kev12343> Determinist: i understand that philosophy, but kde is pretty easy to use too, i mean in that respect i think theyre same
[02:53] <abarbaccia> IIIEars, i think you should just use evolution
[02:53] <KoseFrank> Sound server informational message Error while initializing the sound driver device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[02:53] <Ghetek> kose frank! i get that too!
[02:53] <nico8481> any idea how to get quicktime movies working without realplayer? (via totem)
[02:53] <Edgan> nico8481: install win32 dlls
[02:53] <IIIEars> hm - got kind of attached to it in knoppix
[02:53] <nico8481> Edgan, they are
[02:53] <Determinist> Kev12343, i thought this before i've started using gnome. Well , ubuntu introduced me to the gnome world and guess what? it just works , i never thought things could go this simple, but apparently , they can and do. I've found my match , you go find yours :)
[02:54] <nico8481> it's just for some MOV... i get the sound but no video
[02:54] <abarbaccia> gnome is SIMPLE - that's it - it doesn't make things complicated - just easy
[02:54] <Kev12343> Determinist: thats cool, to be hionst i wanted to go with mandrake but it just wouldnt install on my new laptop, but ubuntu worked and detected everything
[02:54] <KoseFrank> Does ANYTHING work in Totem? What does it support, really? It seems to try everything, but fails
[02:55] <|QuaD-_> "
[02:55] <lok> Kev12343, why don't you use kubuntu if you like kde ?
[02:55] <Kev12343> Determinist: this distro in my opinion is gonna make all the linux geeks feel so crappy, cuz now everyone can use linux hahaha,
[02:55] <|QuaD-_> "In any case, Breezy is still very "Alpha", and so is Beagle, along with alot of other Breezy packages, so I'm not surprised that Beagle won't run." <--- quote from the forum.... thats funny
[02:55] <Determinist> Kev12343, see , i've played with 1001 different WMs and DEs , but when i needed work done there was one question: how do i get gnome back up and running , i've got no time for this shit , i'm in a hurry.
[02:55] <MstbZalle> nico8481: mplayer Win32 codecs (might leave you stuck in a lawsuit if you're in the US ;))
[02:55] <lok> KoseFrank, it supports open codecs
[02:55] <IIIEars> KoseFrank - Totem? - not without tweaking it.
[02:55] <KoseFrank> I see
[02:55] <Edgan> Kev12343: I find KDE aesthicly ugly. But then so can Gnome with the wrong themes. I have yet to find a good KDE theme. Generally I prefer Gnome apps to KDE apps with a few very notable exceptions. Then there is that every time I have tried KDE as an environment, I have tweaked it to my taste and in the process it became buggy.
[02:55] <nico8481> i'm not in the US :p
[02:56] <clausme> hey can you give me that theme page again
[02:56] <sbcl3> lucky you
[02:56] <clausme> somtheing obout gnome art
[02:56] <clausme> or somthing
[02:56] <KoseFrank> I've been sitting here to get my Ubuntu to play mp3's for the last 5 hours now... And now I get this annoying errormessage.
[02:56] <sbcl3> gnome-look.org?
[02:56] <lok> www.gnome-look.org
[02:56] <lok> www.artgnome.org
[02:56] <clausme> yhx
[02:56] <KoseFrank> It gives me the urge to kill, really. But I don't know what
[02:56] <sbcl3> KoseFrank: did you try the different plugs in your sound card?
[02:56] <veritas> KoseFrank: What exactly have you done?
[02:56] <Kev12343> the reason i wanna go with kde now is because i wanna learn developing GUIs under linux and a friend told me go for QT designer rather than gtk, so the obvious choice was kde since its based on qt, and i bought a book on kde :(
[02:56] <lok> or something like that
[02:56] <abarbaccia> you know what i think KDE has gnome beat on...2 things - K3B and Amarok
[02:56] <Determinist> Kev12343, like i said , it's an OS. eventually it's going to be meant for grandmas to work with and if you care to notice , in 2001 (year when XP was released) , linux distros were very unfriendly , care to compare the advances XP has made compared to say .. Redhat linux or ubuntu for that matter? nothing to compare. This OS is the future and ubuntu is looking like a good sane place to start.
[02:56] <IIIEars> KoseFrank - it's not too difficult - just add codecs and stir well
[02:57] <Edgan> KoseFrank: xmms, rhythmbox, or what?
[02:57] <KoseFrank> I rebooted. That's what I did.
[02:57] <sbcl3> KoseFrank: use XMMS
[02:57] <KoseFrank> xmms freezes.. And if I change the output it makes no sound
[02:57] <abarbaccia> KoseFrank, use amarok
[02:57] <veritas> XMMS, change the audio o Esound
[02:57] <Octane> does nayone know whats causing this problem -- fresh new install -- http://pastebin.ca/11821
[02:57] <Raag> abarbaccia: yes, but those two applications don't have anything to do with kde except for the fact that they're QT
[02:57] <nico8481> MstbZalle, why would it work with mplayer and not with totem? the codecs are the same aren't they? anyway i can't apt-get mplayer-586 (seems broken)
[02:57] <KoseFrank> I managed to play .wma files
[02:57] <IIIEars> XMMS - is better
[02:57] <Raag> abarbaccia: (and yes, amarok > *)
[02:58] <abarbaccia> Raag, which is what i'm talking about - they are native to KDE
[02:58] <KoseFrank> But now my soundcard isn't working
[02:58] <metalsand> I like rythmbox, just because XMMS looks like 1997
[02:58] <Kev12343> Deterministic: yea for sure, im very impressed with this distro too and ive had it for 2 days only , i mean i set everything up and no major problems!  this never happened with any other distros, specially on a laptop
[02:58] <Determinist> abarbaccia, yeah , k3b is good , too bad gnome doesnt have something similiar
[02:58] <metalsand> Has much more options, too... Viewable library is a necessity
[02:58] <goldfish> beep-media-player is cool
[02:58] <MstbZalle> nico8481: you can get the mplayer codecs to work w/ any player... I successfully did that for xine
[02:58] <abarbaccia> Raag, there are no gnome native mp3 players that can even come close to amarok, and cd burning is a downside - i know - someone ought to make it
[02:58] <Raag> IIIEars: if by better you mean 'uses gtk1 openfiledialogs, which are painfully slow on directories that contain a large number of files', then yes
[02:58] <metalsand> Speaking of gnome customizing, is there a way to move applications/places/sytem?
[02:58] <nico8481> i remember that by modifying something in some totem's configuration file it works (tell it to use the proprietary codec instead of the opensource one) but i don't remember how in practice...
[02:58] <Determinist> Kev12343, exactly.
[02:59] <IIIEars> my 3rd week with linux - running out of really dumb questions to ask. (don't worry i'm not out of 'em yet)
[02:59] <Determinist> abarbaccia, doesnt ubuntu have some native cd recording software?
[02:59] <scott> I installed a newer version of libc6 than is in hoary and now I need to downgrade. Anyone know how to do it?
[02:59] <Kev12343> while im here, does anyone know why my mplayer doesnt work? i followed the guide and just apt-get install mplayer-386, but it doesnt work
[02:59] <IIIEars> Raag - huh? - it doesn't cache anything in memory?
[02:59] <abarbaccia> Determinist, it's like buit into nautilus or command line cdrecord
[02:59] <Edgan> metalsand: rhythmbox is ok at best. It's biggest issue is you can just add something to the playlist. You must import it, which is not as good as the xmms way. The other issue is it has a Huge interface. There are ways to minimize it's size, but then you can do soemthing till you unminize the size.
[02:59] <abarbaccia> we need someone to port nero6 to gnome
[03:00] <Kev12343> Deterministic: this is the only prob i got, the mplayer, do you guys compile form source or just apt-get?  cuz as i said my apt-getted version dont work too good, it just freezes
[03:00] <Edgan> metalsand: the size issue is somewhat workaroundable by minimizing it to a notification icon
[03:00] <Determinist> abarbaccia, isnt nerolinux supported on gnome tho?
[03:00] <KoseFrank> I give up
[03:00] <abarbaccia> Determinist, i've never heard of nerlinux
[03:00] <abarbaccia> KoseFrank, what's wrong
[03:00] <refuze2looze> is there a way to change the root dir to where apt-get will install packages? i'm trying to use a LiveCD to install a package to the hd...
[03:00] <Determinist> abarbaccia, there's a linux port for nero , have a look for it , it's not GPL tho :)
[03:00] <refuze2looze> Determinist: yes, i use nerolinux
[03:01] <refuze2looze> Determinist: it's not that great though
[03:01] <KoseFrank> I get this errormessage when my pc boots up...
[03:01] <Determinist> refuze2looze, i see, k3b is definately better.
[03:01] <Edgan> k3b is a good cd/dvd burning package
[03:01] <KoseFrank> Sound server informational message Error while initializing the sound driver device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[03:01] <Ghetek> kosefrank i get that
[03:01] <refuze2looze> Determinist: yep.. i use either nerolinux or graveman though
[03:01] <KoseFrank> But does your soundcard work?
[03:01] <Determinist> Kev12343, i use whatever binary came from apt-get , never had any issues with it
[03:01] <IIIEars> What does Nero do that you can't do with cdrecord or k3b?
[03:02] <refuze2looze> IIIEars: absolutely nothing
[03:02] <refuze2looze> IIIEars: other than have an uglier UI
[03:02] <KoseFrank> Ghetek: Does your soundcard work at all?
[03:02] <refuze2looze> thank k3b
[03:02] <refuze2looze> than*
[03:02] <Edgan> IIIEars: probably burn nero files, and I have heard nerolinux will burn mp3s to cd on the fly
[03:02] <IIIEars> lol - i have heard that before.
[03:02] <Determinist> why ohh why cant linux have working natural transparency already?! :/
[03:02] <Ghetek> every now and then
[03:02] <KoseFrank> Fantastic...
[03:02] <Ghetek> when i turn on i get it sometimes i dont some other
[03:02] <Kev12343> Deterministic: ok , ill try to google , thanks
[03:03] <KoseFrank> It seems to be the same problem that I am dealing with, then
[03:03] <abarbaccia> Determinist, because nobody has wanted it bad enough to sit down and write i
[03:03] <refuze2looze> damn, i guess it is not possible to use apt-get to install packages to a different location?
[03:03] <abarbaccia> t
[03:03] <goldfish> Determinist: xcompmgr and transset ?
[03:03] <Edgan> Determinist: It is still in development.
[03:03] <metalsand> Speaking of gnome customizing, is there a way to move applications/places/sytem?
[03:03] <IIIEars> ah - okay - well i can try it. - free if you own the redmond OS vers.
[03:03] <PeskyGee> hi all. Is there a way that you can label the drives that are showing in the computer/// icon? I would like to label them so they are easier to see and mount ???
[03:03] <MstbZalle> I'm out... bedtime, 3am passed
[03:03] <abarbaccia> metalsand, yes, all that can be removed and changed
[03:03] <sbcl3> can you put gnome's file browser in "tree view" like you can in konqueror?
[03:03] <Edgan> refuze2looze: you can, man apt-get
[03:03] <metalsand> abarbaccia: How?
[03:03] <KoseFrank> Is there any way I can force an autodetection?
[03:03] <metalsand> abarbaccia: My mental image is JUST having the Gnome foot.
[03:03] <KoseFrank> Or make the settings stay?
[03:03] <Edgan> sbcl3: the problem with nautilus's tree view is you can't right click on directories and do something with them, like delete
[03:04] <metalsand> abarbaccia: I know it probably seems rediculous but all I have now is the Gnome foot, applications places and system
[03:04] <abarbaccia> metalsand, to get jsut the foot you can do this...lemme think
[03:04] <Determinist> goldfish, consumes alot of resources , i've tried it with fluxbox ... didnt go very well
[03:04] <goldfish> ah right
[03:04] <Determinist> Edgan, who's developing it tho?
[03:04] <metalsand> abarbaccia: I'd still like to have the other stuff... But, say, click the gnome foot and it expands upwards with the 3 text options... Possible?
[03:04] <goldfish> works ok for me with xfce
[03:04] <refuze2looze> Edgan: i've been looking at it's man page and i see nothing like that..?
[03:05] <abarbaccia> metalsand, very easy - right click, go to remove from panel - then right click on the panel go to add - and choose gnome menu
[03:05] <Brandonn> anyone know what package the module prism2_cs is in?
[03:05] <Determinist> goldfish, how ... ok? i mean , doesnt it eat resources like a maniac? because flux is a very lightweight wm and it still went very slow
[03:05] <IIIEars> the open parent function that opens a new window makes navigating an interesting of win 3.1
[03:05] <Edgan> Determinist: I have seen some native transparency being done by some Red Hat guys via OpenGL. I have also seen some experimental work by Keith Packard who is part of Xorg
[03:05] <abarbaccia> metalsand, that will add the foot - with all those 3 menu's included in it as one big menu
[03:06] <IIIEars> < bbl - sleep - Ubuntu is terrific - many thanks to the developers.
[03:06] <goldfish> Determinist: it does yeah, but it runs pretty ok, compared to when i dont have it on, except when i try to play games in cedega
[03:06] <Determinist> Edgan, my question is , would this be part of a DE like gnome or something the X system guys would have to integrate into their stuff , like x.org?
[03:06] <Edgan> Determinist: it would have to be in x.org first
[03:06] <Determinist> Edgan, thank you
[03:06] <refuze2looze> Edgan: if you know how it would be greatly appreciated if you tell me. i have searched google and read through the man page and i don't see anything about changing the destination to isntall packages
[03:07] <nico8481> raah
[03:07] <daniels> transparency is already in x.org through the composite extension, however it's still experimental and slow
[03:07] <Edgan> refuze2looze: looks like it is dpkg only
[03:07] <refuze2looze> Edgan: oh
[03:07] <metalsand> abarbaccia: Perfect!
[03:07] <Determinist> is there some blog or anything similiar that shows how development is advancing on the transparency projects ... wherever they may be?
[03:07] <Edgan> refuze2looze: you running a 64bit system?
[03:08] <metalsand> abarbaccia: Is there anyway to add a... minimzing toolbar? Like, I can hide the icons and stuff but then click an arrrow and it'd expand with the trashcan, battery time, ect
[03:08] <refuze2looze> Edgan: nope
[03:08] <Edgan> refuze2looze: then what are you trying to do
[03:09] <abarbaccia> metalsand, i don't really know about that - i don't think so - not nativly - you might be able to - that area is called notification area - so i would check it out on google a bit
[03:09] <refuze2looze> Edgan: well, it's a long story but to put it short i don't have glibc installed on my system so i'm trying to isntall it from the LiveCD
[03:09] <LukeM> kosefrank--what you are dealing with is gnome uses ESD which takes over simple soundcards entirely (1/2 channel or something like that).  totem won't work unless you kill esd (killall esd in the terminal), as for the others you must select output to ESD or something
[03:09] <Edgan> refuze2looze: so download it manually and use dpkg
[03:09] <PeskyGee> hi all. Is there a way that you can label the drives that are showing in the computer/// icon? I would like to label them so they are easier to see and mount ???
[03:09] <refuze2looze> Edgan: that is what i am about to try..
[03:10] <Xgates> in /etc/sudoer would this be correct for a user --> username ALL=(ALL) ALL ??
[03:10] <abarbaccia> LukeM can't he make a script to kill esd, run totem, then restart esd on totem exiting? i had to do something similar for audacity
[03:10] <colera> what exactly is sudoer?
[03:11] <colera> is it like a normal user with admin privlages?
[03:11] <Xgates> man sudo
[03:11] <Xgates> man sudoer
[03:11] <Xgates> :p
[03:12] <KoseFrank> What happens if I install the Kubuntu-system on my secondary harddrive?
[03:12] <tweakism> sudo allows you to execute commands as another user, generally root.  it's an alternative to logging in as root to perform administrative tasks or using the su (substitute user) command.  a 'sudoer' is a user that sudo recognizes as authorized to use sudo, see /etc/sudoers and man pages referenced above.
[03:12] <KoseFrank> Hehe.. Stupid question
[03:13] <KoseFrank> How do I remove the grub-selector so that the pc will go back to running Windows again?
[03:13] <refuze2looze> Edgan: should i use --root=/media/hd ?
[03:13] <refuze2looze> (that is where i mounted my hd)
[03:13] <Edgan> refuze2looze: sounds right, but I don't have a ubuntu system in front of me
[03:14] <Brandonn> is it possible to compile just modules without compiling the whole kernel?
[03:14] <tweakism> KoseFrank: One thing you could do is add an entry for Windows to your grub configuration file, so it can boot that too :P
[03:14] <sbcl3> how do i get rid of everything i've installed through synaptic in the "KDE" section?
[03:15] <colera> so i launched totem to play a dvd that doesn't have any encryption on it and totem say's it could find a codec and that i needed to install the proper plugin, how do i install plugins for totem?
[03:15] <flodine> god dog ubuntu is kickin
[03:15] <KoseFrank> I have done that. But what if i decide to remove this system, due to the errors.. Will that case any problems?
[03:16] <KoseFrank> will I still be able to boot windows. That's my question
[03:16] <sbcl3> yes
[03:16] <Octane> someone, please, before i switch to Fedora
[03:16] <flodine> lol
[03:16] <Octane> anyone know how to fix this problem http://pastebin.ca/11821
[03:16] <flodine> dont do it
[03:16] <Nivex> Does anyone know of a BZFlag 2.0.x package for Hoary?
[03:16] <istone> hey room
[03:16] <Octane> flodine i was running fedora for a few months until a few days ago
[03:16] <usual> what file do I edit to make DMA a perm change on a device?
[03:17] <sbcl3> nivex: can't you get it through synaptic?
[03:17] <tweakism> KoseFrank: It's fairly easy to fix the MBR back to Windows standard.  I think it's fdisk /mbr, but I'll check.
[03:17] <flodine> hey fedora is nice
[03:17] <Nivex> sbcl3: the one that's in Hoary is bzflag 1.x
[03:17] <Octane> its okay i would prefer ubuntu if i could get this problem working
[03:17] <sbcl3> nivex: create a community repository
[03:17] <sbcl3> the community has it
[03:17] <sbcl3> wait...no
[03:17] <sbcl3> nivex: sorry
[03:17] <KoseFrank> Ahh
[03:17] <istone> fedora is nice on newer comps, I can't get any dist to work on this, or red hat for that matter
[03:18] <Octane> ya i guess
[03:18] <Octane> fedora is okay
[03:18] <usual> Octane, did you install kubuntu or regular ubuntu?
[03:18] <Octane> i want ubuntu though
[03:18] <Octane> usual: kubuntu
[03:18] <dphase> Octane, do: ldconfig -v | grep libqt
[03:18] <usual> hi dphase
[03:18] <tweakism> KoseFrank: For XP: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkd_tro_ldau.asp  For 95/98/Me: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q69013/
[03:18] <istone> is kubuntu diferant?
[03:18] <metalsand> Weeeeird
[03:18] <dphase> usual
[03:18] <Octane> usual but i just finishe ddoing a apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:18] <metalsand> I deleted the default gnome bar and use the one with just the foot
[03:18] <usual> fedora actually seems alot snappier than ubuntu does on my box
[03:18] <metalsand> and
[03:18] <KoseFrank> Thank you
[03:18] <metalsand> I lost all my settings in terinal and my background
[03:18] <Nivex> sbcl3: the oracle of Google has turned up nothing :(
[03:18] <flodine> not mine
[03:18] <KoseFrank> I'll go to bed then.
[03:19] <metalsand> usual, what do you mean by snappy?
[03:19] <sbcl3> nivex: then are you sure it exists ;)
[03:19] <Octane> i want ubuntu!
[03:19] <flodine> ubuntu is hauling ass over here
[03:19] <usual> metalsand, response....latency i guess
[03:19] <Nivex> sbcl3: Why do you think I'm asking here?
[03:19] <Octane> dphase i installed everything with qt i could imagine
[03:20] <sbcl3> nivex: http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/Download
[03:20] <flodine> i need a good linux for 64 bit can some help
[03:20] <Octane> dphase:
[03:20] <Octane> ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libqui.so: No such file or directory
[03:20] <Octane> libqthreads.so.12 -> libqthreads.so.12.3.0
[03:20] <Octane> libqtopiakonnector.so -> libqtopiakonnector.so
[03:20] <Octane> libqt.so.3 -> libqt.so.3.3.3
[03:20] <Octane> libqtmcop.so.1 -> libqtmcop.so.1.0.0
[03:20] <flodine> o ubuntu
[03:20] <flodine> lol
[03:20] <Nivex> sbcl3: I tried compiling it, it didn't work :( :( :(
[03:20] <sbcl3> nivex: it says its unstable :/
[03:20] <istone> does kubuntu come w/ kde as opposed to gnome, or is there a way I can install kde on my 5.04 warty?
[03:20] <Octane> istone yes, just do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:20] <sbcl3> you can do both
[03:20] <Nivex> sbcl3: it's in testing!
[03:21] <flodine> anyone on fluxbox here
[03:21] <Octane> anyone before i go fedora>
[03:22] <Tseug> Hey all. I'm using Kubuntu, and the GL Screensavers and UT2004 are extremely laggy. Any tips? I have the drivers installed already.
[03:22] <flodine> lol
[03:22] <flodine> octane you sound like my brother fedora fedora
[03:22] <sbcl3> octane: once you install kbuntu-desktop, can you go back to gnome?
[03:22] <flodine> he loves that linux
[03:23] <sbcl3> octane: or better yet, can you sort of "bootload" between the two environments?
[03:23] <istone> kde doesn't work in ubuntu?
[03:23] <goldfish> it does
[03:23] <Tseug> Yeah, it does.
[03:23] <Octane> sbcl3 when i boot neither kdm nor gdm start i see x start i see the cursor, then it drops
[03:23] <goldfish> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:23] <istone> sbcl, did you try BLAG or libranet?
[03:23] <goldfish> i think it is
[03:23] <flodine> the fish has spoken it does
[03:24] <Lafitte-> where do i edit iptables file ?
[03:24] <Tseug> can anyone help me with my problem then?
[03:24] <Octane> Lafitte- dont edit it manually, get firestarter
[03:24] <Octane> goldfish i already did that
[03:24] <Lafitte-> Octane, i need to add two lines to it
[03:25] <Octane> i think its /etc/iptables ?? no? thats where it is in fedora
[03:25] <Lafitte-> but ubuntu is blocking it or something
[03:25] <Lafitte-> nope
[03:25] <clausme> what is that a splash screen
[03:25] <clausme> ?
[03:25] <Lafitte-> Octane, iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -m owner --uid-owner squid -j ACCEPT
[03:26] <Tseug> Hey all. I'm using Kubuntu, and the GL Screensavers and UT2004 are extremely laggy. Any tips? I have the drivers installed already.
[03:27] <colera> is bluetooth supported by ubuntu out of box?
[03:27] <istone> kewl, it worked, after having to retype it 5 times, till I got it right, Thanx octane
[03:27] <Octane> np
[03:27] <Octane> now come help me
[03:27] <istone> after the download is done, what do I do, will I be prompted?
[03:27] <Tseug> Anyone want to help me with my graphics problem or not?
[03:28] <istone> what graphics problem?
[03:28] <Octane> is there a way to do an http install of kubuntu
[03:28] <istone> oh
[03:28] <istone> get more ram?
[03:28] <Tseug> Im using Kubuntu, and i have the Nvidia Driver installed, but UT2004 is extremely laggy
[03:28] <Tseug> along with any GL Screen Savers.
[03:29] <istone> I had to do that to get any desktop to work
[03:29] <Tseug> get more ram? 2GB should be enough.
[03:29] <Octane> no
[03:29] <Octane> more!
[03:29] <flodine> lol
[03:29] <Octane> Lafitte- im telling you get Firestarter
[03:29] <chessforce> hi...im having trouble with printing from Ubuntu Hoary x86-64...im trying to print to an Apple LaserWriter Select 310...the printer simply blinks and stops...the printing worked fine with Ubuntu 32-bit on a computer with a 32-bit cpu
[03:29] <istone> holy shit, yourright that should be, only thing that comes to mind
[03:29] <Octane> its a gtk-based iptables frontend
[03:30] <istone> I only have 300 megs ram. , I can get anything to work, course, it takes forever
[03:30] <istone> hmmmmm.......
[03:31] <flodine> how much ram does ubuntu need?
[03:31] <istone> I run mine @ 200 m, it works great
[03:31] <Quest-Master> Has anyone here run Ragnarok Online or Soldat on Wine?
[03:31] <goldfish> istone: gnome?
[03:31] <istone> yes
[03:32] <istone> kde seemed to lag a bit when I ran Suse, but I think that is just corporate linux talking
[03:33] <istone> Red hat 8 worked just fine w/ kde, as does gnome in any dist, eeven mandrake
[03:33] <clausme> what is that a shell theme
[03:33] <clausme> i can yse it in ubuntu
[03:33] <clausme> ?
[03:34] <istone> so, is there any streaming radio apps that work good in linux?
[03:34] <clausme> xmms
[03:34] <istone> I should install that
[03:34] <goldfish> clausme: prompt
[03:34] <goldfish> clausme: shell prompt
[03:34] <clausme> what
[03:34] <clausme> ?
[03:34] <samuel> ive hard linked the local inbox in evolution to my own inbox in /var/mail...... but the new emails dont seem to show, and the deleted/expunged mails are still there... any ideas?
[03:34] <clausme> goldfisj
[03:34] <clausme> goldfish
[03:35] <goldfish> clausme: you know when u run a shell
[03:35] <goldfish> clausme: the prompt there
[03:35] <istone> on my mandrake version, it had no streaming radio switch, do I need to hyperlink a plugin?
[03:35] <goldfish> you can customize it
[03:35] <clausme> no not that
[03:35] <istone> like, say, iRate?
[03:35] <clausme> taje a lok at this
[03:35] <goldfish> k
[03:35] <goldfish> ok
[03:35] <goldfish> Sorry :/
[03:35] <clausme> http://www.customize.org/list/stylexp
[03:35] <clausme> can i do that to ubuntu
[03:35] <clausme> :)
[03:36] <thechitowncubs> in a way...
[03:36] <goldfish> clausme: that's for windows
[03:37] <clausme> damn it
[03:37] <flodine> how do i install a debian file
[03:37] <clausme> not for windows i am intrested
[03:37] <thechitowncubs> Windows has the worst customization
[03:37] <thechitowncubs> sudo dpkg -i <deb>.deb
[03:37] <clausme> windows sucks
[03:37] <flodine> thank you
[03:38] <clausme> thoinght i decidet to give it up forever
[03:38] <flodine> windows is only good for counterstrike'
[03:38] <clausme> after he refused to open any ftp link
[03:38] <flodine> thats all
[03:38] <goldfish> clausme: you could try using something other than gnome, fluxbox, xfce4, or using diff window managers or something to customize it
[03:38] <clausme> can you play counter strike with wine or cedega
[03:38] <clausme> ?
 windows sucks <= why?
[03:38] <istone> windows is kewl...............if you love spyware, adware, and trojan horses
[03:39] <goldfish> clausme: you can
[03:39] <thechitowncubs> I play counterstrike
[03:39] <njan> istone, why do those have anything to do with windows?
[03:39] <thechitowncubs> and i play battlefield vietnam
[03:39] <goldfish> i have cs 1.6 running with cedega
[03:39] <thechitowncubs> which im going to play right now
[03:39] <flodine> yes cstrike is nice
[03:39] <njan> istone, if linux was on 90% of desktops, linux would have those too.
[03:39] <clausme> goldfisj
[03:39] <clausme> goldfish
[03:39] <clausme> how you disd it
[03:39] <HrdwrBoB_> njan: yes and no
[03:39] <clausme> i whant to do that to
[03:39] <istone> I seem to never be affected on linux, or am I and I don't know it?
[03:39] <clausme> but i faield do far
[03:39] <goldfish> clausme: have u got cedega?
[03:39] <njan> HrdwrBoB_, yes and yes :p
[03:39] <clausme> yes
[03:40] <clausme> don't ask me from where
[03:40] <goldfish> clausme: download the steam installer, then open a terminal and do, 'cedega pathtosteaminstaller.exe'
[03:40] <goldfish> clausme: from where? :)
[03:40] <thechitowncubs> or use point2play
[03:40] <clausme> ups i did it again
[03:40] <thechitowncubs> i would suggest that
[03:40] <clausme> what is point2play
[03:40] <clausme> ?
[03:41] <istone> so, is there a way to play Diablo on linux?
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB_> njan: due to core differences, the impact would be completely different
[03:41] <istone> dII LOD
[03:41] <Xgates> say where online does it show all the main "sources.list" urls?
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB_> but yes, they would exist, no, not as they do now
[03:42] <njan> HrdwrBoB_, indubitably. But to say that they're a windows problem, or that linux wouldn't have them, is a total non-sequitur.
[03:42] <clausme> i have counter strike with no steam
[03:42] <njan> HrdwrBoB_, linux has ssh worms, rootkits, and open relays.. windows has http/sql works, trojans, and adware.
[03:42] <njan> s/works/worms/
[03:42] <njan> In a broad, totally unspecific, inaccurate generalisation :p
[03:42] <HrdwrBoB_> windows has open relays too
[03:42] <HrdwrBoB_> yes
[03:42] <Xgates> is this correct then --> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/hoary main, hoary universe, hoary multiverse, hoary restricted??
[03:42] <istone> thanx for my kde problem being answered, good night room
[03:43] <clausme> goldfish
[03:43] <Xgates> of course all on seperate URLS
[03:43] <Xgates> :-)
[03:43] <clausme> prv pls
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB_> however in general an up to date linux install is better than an up to date windows install
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB_> .. anyway, it's offtopic
[03:43] <flodine> is there a c++ file i need to install tar files
[03:43] <clausme> goldfish
[03:43] <clausme> prv pls
[03:43] <goldfish> clausme: why ?
[03:43] <flodine> or something
[03:43] <flodine> i cant install tar files why
[03:43] <clausme> to ask you a few qouestions abot configurin cstrike
[03:44] <flodine> hello
[03:44] <flodine> tar files
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB_> flodine: calm down.
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB_> flodine: you cannot 'install' tar files
[03:44] <metalsand> WOw!
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB_> what do you want to install
[03:44] <metalsand> There's already 4 people camping out at my local theater for Star Wars III
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB_> metalsand: set them on fire
[03:45] <metalsand> And me and 25 other friends bought tickets a month ago for the Irvine Spectrum DPL theater (There's only like 12 in the nation)
[03:45] <metalsand> We only planned 24 hours before, but now we may have to organize something different
[03:45] <flodine> i want to install flux 9.12
[03:45] <capi> Does anyone have a ftp system running on Ubuntu with Virtual Users?
[03:45] <flodine> but only in debian
[03:46] <metalsand> Does anyone know how to edit the start screen/splash screen for Ubuntu?
[03:48] <foxiness> metalsand, u can use gnome-art GUI tools to do that for u or by hand on splash dir
[03:49] <Xgates> whats wrong with my sources.list it's not working --> http://pastebin.com/284951
[03:49] <Xgates> hmm
[03:49] <foxiness> metalsand, /usr/share/pixmaps/splash
[03:49] <flodine> i guess im a gnome man now
[03:50] <foxiness> flodine, why ?
[03:50] <foxiness> Xgates, is there error ?
[03:52] <Xgates> yeah
[03:52] <Xgates> E: Malformed line 3 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[03:52] <Xgates> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[03:52] <Xgates> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
[03:52] <clausme> hello
[03:52] <clausme> where can i find a cedega tutorial
[03:52] <clausme> or a help file of somekind
[03:52] <nomasteryoda> wow, what a question
[03:53] <Xgates> foxiness, ok I'm changing it in the Synaptics GUI
[03:53] <housetier> clausme I bet there are hints and such in the ubuntu wiki
[03:53] <colera> what does wiki stand for?
[03:54] <flodine> foxiness i want fluxbox 9.12 but cant get it installed
[03:54] <nobile> wikipedia
[03:54] <ubuntuinstaller> Hey guys
[03:54] <ubuntuinstaller> I just installed Ubuntu
[03:54] <ubuntuinstaller> and I wanted my resolution to be 1280x1024
[03:54] <chungaroo> hey i'm just wondering where i can figure out what the name(number?) of a certain partition on my drive is so that i can mount it?
[03:55] <ubuntuinstaller> but it's only giving me 1280x800
[03:55] <ubuntuinstaller> any ideas?
[03:55] <toresbe> ubuntuinstaller: it's a strange problem, but anyway
[03:55] <nobile> it only let me have 1024x768 =P
[03:55] <toresbe> ubuntuinstaller: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:55] <ubuntuinstaller> I have that option too
[03:55] <ubuntuinstaller> ok, brb
[03:55] <chungaroo> does anyone have any ideas?
[03:56] <foxiness> flodine, what is the problem ?
[03:56] <ryman> I just reinstalled Ubuntu
[03:56] <toresbe> ubuntuinstaller: look for a Modes line close to your Depth, near the bottom of the file
[03:56] <colera> anyone know a good audio ripper that does FLAC lossless and gets track names of cd
[03:56] <flodine> i love this room everyone have a beer for me
[03:56] <toresbe> ubuntuinstaller: just prefix the modes you want in there
[03:56] <colera> from CDDB?
[03:56] <foxiness> chungaroo, df -h
[03:56] <flodine> lol
[03:56] <Xgates> CRAP
[03:56] <chungaroo> foxiness: thanks
[03:56] <Xgates> I cant seem to get the repositories to work
[03:56] <Xgates> hmm
[03:57] <Determinist> brb , testing
[03:57] <ubuntuinstaller> what do you mean by prefix?
[03:57] <Xgates> are the sites off line?
[03:57] <foxiness> chungaroo, nps u are welcome
[03:57] <Xgates> any problems with them in synaptic?
[03:57] <toresbe> ubuntuinstaller: write in between "modes" and the resolutions
[03:57] <flodine> foxiness apt gives u fluxbox 9.11 i want 9.12
[03:57] <toresbe> flodine: are you on warty?
[03:57] <chungaroo> foxiness: and the command to actually mount it? it's a fat32 partition that i plan to share with xp
[03:58] <flodine> no
[03:58] <ubuntuinstaller> Ok, I've got a section "Monitor"
[03:58] <foxiness> chungaroo, fdisk -l , if u need more info
[03:58] <ubuntuinstaller> is it in that section?
[03:58] <colera> how do you query the channel list?
[03:59] <flodine> anyone got a command for fluxbox 9.12
[03:59] <toresbe> flodine: apt-get update and wait :\
[03:59] <ubuntuinstaller> it's called modeline
[03:59] <Xgates> darn synaptic says it cant stat any of the sources.list urls
[03:59] <Xgates> hmm
[03:59] <flodine> and olny 9.12
[03:59] <ubuntuinstaller> should  i do that?
[03:59] <toresbe> ubuntuinstaller: hmm
[03:59] <toresbe> ubuntuinstaller: not modeline
[03:59] <ryman> Ubuntuinstaller, add 'DisplaySize	338	270	# 1280x1024 96dpi' under Monitor section
[03:59] <ryman> then log out and log in again see if it work
[04:00] <ubuntuinstaller> Is that <exactly> what I should write?
[04:00] <ubuntuinstaller> what does it mean, by the way?
[04:00] <Xgates> ahh the OLE reload button did it
[04:00] <Xgates> sheesh
[04:00] <foxiness> chungaroo, http://www.fbeedle.com/technote/03-01/etude15/etude15.html
[04:00] <ryman> ubuntuinstaller, look at this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20976
[04:01] <ryman> look at step #1
[04:01] <flodine> toresbe on now what playa
[04:01] <flodine> ok
[04:01] <flodine> updated
[04:01] <ubuntuinstaller> Ok, I'll try it
[04:02] <toresbe> flodine: I guess you'll have to wait or compile your own
[04:02] <flodine> lol
[04:03] <flodine> hey said i cant tar file on ubuntu
[04:04] <toresbe> flodine: You can make your own deb files
[04:04] <toresbe> flodine: then again - you should wait for breezy
[04:05] <flodine> the same way i make my own beer
[04:05] <flodine> ok
[04:05] <ubuntuinstaller> Ok, I made the changes and no change
[04:05] <ubuntuinstaller> I logged out and logged back in
[04:05] <ubuntuinstaller> Should I restart instead
[04:07] <flodine> anyone running breezy
[04:07] <chungaroo> foxiness: i tried df -h but i can't see my fat32 partition
[04:07] <flodine> if so you got a screenshot
[04:09] <flodine> man that epiphany browser is fast
[04:09] <clausme> i go to sleep now
[04:09] <chungaroo> foxiness: i tried df -h but i can't see my fat32 partition
[04:09] <clausme> good night everyoane
[04:09] <nobile> nighties
[04:10] <gorilla_> hi guys, I am interested in doing some gtk (or other gui) programming, any suggestions as I found glade to be too primative. (anychance of glade2 to be packaged for ubuntu??)
[04:10] <flodine> Zzz
[04:10] <clausme> try mounting them first
[04:10] <gorilla_> chungaroo, df will only show you mounted partitions... as clausme said.
[04:10] <rj-> for a radeon9700 what do i need to do to get 3d rendering?
[04:10] <Fackamato> install the drivers
[04:11] <clausme> read ububtu guide for mounting partitions
[04:11] <rj-> xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:11] <daniels> rj-: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:11] <clausme> chungaroo read guide first and see how to mount partitions
[04:12] <Xgates> I did ubuntu as expert install and forgot about the root password, thinking that was something to do with sudo, now I have the root acount enabled, do I just deluser root?
[04:12] <chungaroo> clauseme: thanks do you have a link for the guide?
[04:12] <Xgates> I mean if you're using in sudo in Ubuntu there is no root account still is there, or just not activated is all?
[04:13] <clausme> whait a sec
[04:13] <clausme> chungaroo
[04:13] <Xgates> ahh --> sudo passwd -l root
[04:14] <Xgates> I guess thats it
[04:14] <clausme> chungaroo http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:17] <tritium> Hi daniels.  How are things going?
[04:17] <ubuntuinstaller> Guys this still isn't working
[04:17] <ubuntuinstaller> I even tried changing the modeline
[04:17] <ubuntuinstaller> but no difference
[04:18] <ubuntuinstaller> Should I run Knoppix and copy it's xorg.conf?
[04:18] <Vegar> What's up with hoary's installer?
[04:18] <ubuntuinstaller> I'm just trying to change the resolution
[04:18] <Vegar> It stops on Configuring APT
[04:18] <Vegar> at 25%
[04:19] <clausme> bye all
[04:19] <ubuntuinstaller> anyone know resolution stuff?
[04:19] <Vegar> ubuntuinstaller: try ctrl+alt++ and ctrl+alt+-
[04:19] <tritium> ubuntuinstaller, check this out: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:20] <WildRabbit> Hey I'm wondering how to install the plugin for, totem, media player and every multimedia program so that I can play music and video?
[04:20] <PeprCorn> I want to start a project to create a miniUbuntu install. Can someone help me?
[04:20] <WildRabbit> This ought to be auto, but I can't play any multimedia because of missing plugins.
[04:20] <tritium> WildRabbit, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:21] <PeprCorn> I am aiming for a install to a low end system, with low end tweaks and only core items. Any Ideas, anyone?
[04:22] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[04:22] <FX|Laptop> Hey has anyone had any luck getting pearpc working with Hoary?
[04:22] <FX|Laptop> I've tried and I got completely lost
[04:22] <FX|Laptop> I had it working one time while running slack
[04:24] <foxiness> how can i change link -> to new point ?
[04:25] <cody> Does Ubuntu have mono 1.1.x packages yet?
[04:25] <daniels> yes
[04:25] <cody> Awesome.  Then I can dump FC3.
[04:25] <puvneet> i downloaded mplayer and tried mto play a mpg and it won't play the video i think it froze this has happened twice now
[04:26] <puvneet> on mozilla
[04:26] <puvneet> help
[04:27] <IcemanV9> PeprCorn: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LowEndSystemSupport
[04:28] <puvneet> HELP ME
[04:29] <Astrak> hi all
[04:29] <goldfish> hi
[04:30] <nobile> hello I have a problem
[04:30] <Astrak> so do I
[04:30] <nobile> I am trying to install the fash player for firefox
[04:30] <Astrak> you go first
[04:30] <Astrak> jeje
[04:30] <nobile> I am doing what the ubuntuguide says
[04:30] <nobile> astrak: hehe
[04:30] <nobile> but I keep getting this error:
[04:31] <Vegar> any reason why the hoary installer would stop on configuring apt?
[04:31] <nobile> root@familia:/home/nobile # sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[04:31] <nobile> Reading package lists... Done
[04:31] <nobile> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:31] <nobile> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[04:31] <nobile> root@familia:/home/nobile #
[04:31] <Astrak> dl the files and extract two of them to the addons folder
[04:31] <Astrak> hold
[04:31] <goldfish> `have u added the extra repos nobile ?
[04:31] <nobile> yes i did
[04:31] <nobile> ^^
[04:31] <goldfish> k
[04:31] <nobile> audacity worked just fine
[04:31] <nobile> but this doesn't seem to work
[04:31] <Vegar> both universe and multiverse?
[04:31] <nobile> I even uncommented all the lines there
[04:31] <nobile> yes
[04:32] <nobile> everything
[04:32] <goldfish> Astrak: What is your problem?
[04:32] <Astrak> I downloaded this install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz
[04:32] <nobile> I even did  sudo apt-get update
[04:32] <nobile> but nothing
[04:32] <Astrak> there's an easy to follow readme
[04:33] <Astrak> my problem is the linking comands in anjuta ide
[04:33] <Astrak> do any of u use this ide?
[04:33] <metalsand> In synaptic, I have libdv4 (woody2) listed under obsolete
[04:33] <metalsand> Do I need that?
[04:33] <nobile> hehe astrak and I have pretty much the same need, but we did different things =P
[04:34] <Astrak> yesterday I reinstalled ubuntu, and i had to reinstall flash plugin as well
[04:34] <Astrak> I have it fresh in mind
[04:34] <Astrak> nobody using ajunta?
[04:34] <thechitowncubs> ajunta?
[04:35] <Astrak> anjuta
[04:35] <thechitowncubs> what is it
[04:35] <Astrak> i missed
[04:35] <Astrak> its an IDE
[04:36] <metalsand> In synaptic, I have libdv4 (woody2) listed under obsolete
[04:36] <metalsand> Do I need that?
[04:38] <X7C> i have a pendrive that maybe broken... one day it just stoped working
[04:38] <X7C> it won't mount... but it is detected by the system
[04:38] <X7C> it appears at lsusb and the parition is detected also
[04:39] <Vegar> why can't you mount it?
[04:39] <X7C> it doesn't recogniz ethe fs type
[04:40] <Vegar> format it
[04:40] <X7C> (the pendrive's light keeps on blinking
[04:40] <X7C> )
[04:40] <X7C> i can't access it throug cfdisk
[04:40] <X7C> and
[04:40] <X7C> it says it's write protected
[04:40] <karljp> can anyone tell me why my sound sync is off in dvds in xine?
[04:40] <nobile> what does this mean?
[04:40] <karljp> I'm about to have to reboot to windows
[04:40] <nobile> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[04:40] <nobile> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[04:40] <nobile> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[04:40] <nobile> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[04:40] <nobile> I just ran apt-get update
[04:41] <nobile> that is what I was doing?
[04:41] <nobile> -?
[04:41] <Vegar> nobile: don't worry about that
[04:41] <X7C> ir won't mount automatically neither manually
[04:41] <nobile> =P
[04:41] <thechitowncubs> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104211  (can anyone tell me if that includes the heatsink)?
[04:42] <lampshade> nobile:  There is a way to get those signatures in the manual
[04:42] <holycow> guys, if i need to add gunzip permanently to the environment variable for a particular user (for some reason a server app is not seeing gzip), how is that done? i'm googling but not sure if what i'm reading is correct ... ?
[04:42] <lampshade> nobile:  In the wiki  it explaines
[04:42] <nobile> ok!
[04:43] <karljp> so keep me on linux here people, I don't want to have to reboot to watch a dvd with audio in sync
[04:43] <lampshade> holycow:  sometimes I need to just logout and then log back on for the path to be updated with things I just apt installed.  Did that work?
[04:44] <Astrak> karljp>>  you have to enable dma for that drive
[04:44] <amonkey> anyone know how to get the sound in quake3 to work?
[04:44] <karljp> I have
[04:44] <Astrak> with hdparm
[04:44] <karljp> without dma it skips
[04:44] <karljp> with dma it's smooth
[04:44] <karljp> but sound is off
[04:44] <karljp> doesn't jitter, just skewed
[04:44] <Astrak> don't know then...
[04:44] <lampshade> amonkey:  Make sure the user you are playing QIII from has access to sound groups.  Can they play other sounds?
[04:44] <Astrak> sorry dude
[04:45] <karljp> too late! can't sit here in the loungeroom debuggin, time for reliable windows ;) thanks though
[04:46] <amonkey> lampshade: how can i check? all my other audio works fine, and i tried the "killall esd" thing.
[04:47] <lampshade> amonkey:  Well if that user has sound in other things, that's not the problem it must be something else.
[04:48] <amonkey> lampshade: it crashs on -- sound initialization --, if i disable it with the command switch it loads up ok
[04:49] <aprill2k> Anyone have DVD skipping problems?
[04:49] <X7C> vegar, it says (pendrive) that it's write protected
[04:49] <lampshade> yeah I got nothing,
[04:49] <X7C> and i've moved the switch a to both positions
[04:50] <X7C> is there a way to force writing to it?
[04:50] <lampshade> amonkey:  I would try running it as root just out of curiousity, like maybe it doesn't have rights to something, but otherwise I got nothing
[04:50] <ubuntuinstaller> Ubuntu folks, that document helped me fix my resolution http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:50] <ubuntuinstaller> thanks!
[04:50] <aprill2k> X7C, type the command "mount" in a terminal and tell me what the output says
[04:50] <ubuntuinstaller> I was a Vsync thing
[04:50] <joe|code> Howdy
[04:51] <X7C> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[04:51] <X7C> all o the other stuff is the typical fs stuff and my hd partitions
[04:51] <X7C> i think it's just fscked
[04:52] <X7C> :<
[04:52] <aprill2k> X7C, it lookes moutned read and wqrite
[04:52] <amonkey> lampshade: i tried that, same crash
[04:52] <X7C> but i can't access it
[04:52] <pppoe_dude> hi. iim interested in switching from fedora to ubuntu, but would like to know two things:
[04:52] <aprill2k> did you mount it as root?
[04:52] <X7C> ahm... i have a usb dvd rw with a disc in it
[04:53] <X7C> let me take it out
[04:53] <pppoe_dude> can i use rpms/ a just as accessible/easy form of packages on ubuntu?
[04:53] <metalsand> In synaptic, I have libdv4 (woody2) listed under obsolete
[04:53] <metalsand> Do I need that?
[04:53] <pppoe_dude> and is there an equivalent for yum?
[04:53] <aprill2k> pppoe_dude, you should use the package management system wherever possible
[04:53] <X7C> aprill2k, it automounted
[04:53] <aprill2k> pppoe_dude, however -- the alien command lets you install RPM packages too
[04:53] <WildRabbit> I'm quite bothered by the fact that I can't find mplayer in the synaptic package manager.
[04:53] <X7C> well it didn't automount
[04:53] <pppoe_dude> aprill2k is that also on the internet / live?
[04:54] <X7C> :p
[04:54] <aprill2k> X7C, you can read the files okay?
[04:54] <X7C> nope
[04:54] <X7C> i can't access nothing
[04:54] <pppoe_dude> aprill2k i.e. is it like YUM? or apt-get?
[04:54] <flugh> how can i make sure apt will use the packages and versions on my local cdrom before grabbing remote packages?
[04:54] <X7C> um...
[04:54] <aprill2k> X7C, type this "umount /dev/<device name here>
[04:55] <X7C> it says its not mounterd
[04:55] <aprill2k> pppoe_dude, apt-get is the debian/ubunut package system
[04:55] <WildRabbit> I'm quite bothered by the fact that I can't find mplayer in the synaptic package manager.
[04:55] <aprill2k> X7C, what is the name of the pen drive device
[04:55] <joe|code> Isnt in multiverse?
[04:55] <joe|code> isnt it I mean.
[04:55] <metalsand> Someone must know if I need the woody libdv4 stuff that's listed in obsolete in Synaptic...
[04:55] <X7C> /dev/sda
[04:55] <pppoe_dude> aprill2k, ok sorry for my ignorance... just a tiny bit noobish
[04:55] <WildRabbit> joe|code, I can't find it there
[04:56] <X7C> i tried mount it manually and it won't
[04:56] <mr_roboto> ppoe_dude: the gui for apt-get is synaptic. it's really easy to use if you don't wanna cmd-line it
[04:56] <aprill2k> WildRabbit, http://ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[04:56] <X7C> it says that the fs type is no recognized
[04:56] <X7C> i can see it on lsusb
[04:56] <X7C> and i can see it on /proc/partitions
[04:56] <aprill2k> X7C, do you see a device called /dev/sda12 or sda2?
[04:56] <pppoe_dude> mr_roboto im ok with command line tho thnx... fedora's graphi update system never worked for me
[04:56] <aprill2k> ... /dev/sda1?
[04:56] <WildRabbit> thanks
[04:57] <X7C> let me see...
[04:57] <pppoe_dude> c
[04:57] <Astrak> gotta go
[04:57] <pppoe_dude> so ubuntu=debian just like fedora=redhat?
[04:57] <Astrak> see you guys
[04:57] <nobile> bye bye astrak
[04:58] <mr_roboto> ppoe_dude: exactly
[04:58] <pppoe_dude> cool
[04:58] <metalsand> I thought Fedora wasn't based on Redhat -.-
[04:58] <pppoe_dude> which is better?
[04:58] <X7C> nope
[04:58] <X7C> only sda
[04:58] <aprill2k> pppoe_dude, no fedora is the free version of consumer level redhat
[04:58] <_nate> is a cpu temperature of 54 degrees celsius too high?
[04:58] <X7C> does that mean that i have no partitions on the pendrive?
[04:58] <metalsand> _nate: That's really hot
[04:58] <_nate> metalsand: ok, thanks
[04:58] <aprill2k> pppoe_dude, redhat only makes enterprise level stuff now -- ubuntu is based on top of debian -- so it is entirely free and is kick ass
[04:58] <metalsand> _nate: My desktop is running at 32 on air cooling :x
[04:58] <pppoe_dude> cool
[04:58] <_nate> metalsand: might explain why my computer suddenly shut off
[04:58] <hybrid_> hello all
[04:59] <aprill2k> X7C, then your device is not being recognized
[04:59] <joe|code> I am a fan of free.
[04:59] <pppoe_dude> aprill2k, so its technically better?
[04:59] <joe|code> hello hybrid
[04:59] <Xgates> does Ubuntu have the NForce drivers?
[04:59] <metalsand> _nate: It would ;) I don't think it starts to melt until 60, however. :P
[04:59] <pppoe_dude> aprill2k, coz fedora was sorta started all over again
[04:59] <Xgates> or need to get them from Nvidia?
[04:59] <metalsand> Someone must know if I need the woody libdv4 stuff that's listed in obsolete in Synaptic...
[04:59] <hybrid> Xgates: i believe  they are in restricted
[04:59] <aprill2k> pppoe_dude, it has more features and a better installed
[04:59] <_nate> metalsand: well thats good news ;P
[04:59] <joe|code> ubuntuguide has a quick install for nvidia drivers
[04:59] <metalsand> :{
[04:59] <metalsand> :P*
[04:59] <X7C> aprill2k does that mean that it's trash stuff?
[04:59] <_nate> metalsand: i have some cans of air, probably needs a good cleaning
[04:59] <X7C> :)
[04:59] <Xgates> hybrid, ok I didnt see anything in Synaptic and I have it configured for restricted
[04:59] <Xgates> hmm
[05:00] <aprill2k> X7C, try "sudo apt-get install usbview"
[05:00] <aprill2k> X7C, then "usbview"
[05:00] <mr_roboto> Xgates: if you want fast 3d, you need to go with the NVidia driver
[05:00] <aprill2k> X7C, see if the device is lsted in the GUI app
[05:00] <pppoe_dude> aprill2k: how's the boot loader? can i overwrite it over my current fedora installation without major problems?
[05:00] <X7C> ok
[05:01] <aprill2k> pppoe_dude, yeah, just blow away fedopra
[05:01] <nxvl> im having problems with cups
[05:01] <Xgates> mr_roboto, I have the nvidia graphics driver installed what I'm talking about is the NForce motherboard chip driver
[05:01] <nxvl> how do i activate the administration menu??
[05:01] <mr_roboto> xgates: ahh sorry
[05:01] <aprill2k> nxvl, go to http://127.0.0.1:531
[05:01] <nxvl> in localhost:631
[05:01] <pppoe_dude> cool
[05:02] <nxvl> aprill2k: it tolds me it is disabled for security reazons
[05:02] <aprill2k> nxvl, sorry port 631
[05:02] <nxvl> resons*
[05:02] <nxvl> im on 631
[05:02] <aprill2k> nxvl, so i gave link to 531, try 631
[05:03] <aprill2k> nxvl, you might not be running cups
[05:03] <aprill2k> nxvl, "sudo /etc/init.d/cups restart"
[05:03] <nxvl> aprill2k: im in localhost:631 and i see the "web page" and my printers
[05:03] <aprill2k> nxvl, ok the that is fine
[05:03] <lampshade> Xgates:  yeah it is fine when I tried it
[05:03] <X7C> aprill2k, i think i umounted  /proc/bus/usb
[05:03] <nxvl> the problem is that i couldn's configure anything
[05:04] <aprill2k> X7C, thats not the device -- sorry
[05:04] <Xgates> hybrid, well maybe the nvidia kernel mod will be fine, thing is I have a Creative Audigy LS card, and I'm trying to get sound
[05:04] <Xgates> hmm
[05:04] <nxvl> cound't
[05:04] <X7C> i know
[05:04] <lampshade> Xgates:  I just installed the gfx driver using the wiki, the ethernet was there, I didn't try the sound
[05:04] <X7C> but i can't use usbview
[05:04] <pppoe_dude> apparently DEBIAN = Debra + Ian
[05:04] <X7C> :p
[05:04] <hybrid> pppoe_dude: good job
[05:04] <hybrid> *claps*
[05:04] <hybrid> j/k
[05:04] <pppoe_dude> k
[05:04] <aprill2k> its DEBRIAN!
[05:04] <nxvl> pppoe_dude: yes, that is it
[05:05] <hybrid> aprill2k: heh
[05:05] <Xgates> isnt alsaconf in Ubuntu?
[05:05] <Xgates> hmm
[05:05] <aprill2k> X7C, why cant you run usbview?
[05:06] <nxvl> aprill2k: wich is the user and pass it ask's me??
[05:06] <hybrid> what would happen if i gave two commands the same alias?
[05:06] <X7C> cause it asks for some file that is suposed to be into that directory
[05:06] <hybrid> like rm and mv had the same alias?
[05:06] <X7C> i restarted hotplugging and usbview is running
[05:06] <X7C> ok, the pendrive is there
[05:07] <Xgates> hmm lsmod shows this for Creative --> emu10k1_gp
[05:07] <Xgates> errr
[05:07] <Xgates> I thought a Audigy LS should be working ok in Alsa 1.8
[05:07] <hybrid> Xgates: tried esd?
[05:08] <aprill2k> X7C, then try to type "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/pendrive" make sure you have the /mnt/pendrive first
[05:08] <X7C>  Opened disk read-only - you have no permission to write << that says when i i do cfdisk /dev/sda
[05:08] <X7C> i already tried that aprill2k
[05:09] <aprill2k> X7C, you are trying to format it?
[05:09] <aprill2k> i have togo
[05:09] <Xgates> hybrid, nothing audio works, and I dont care much for esd
[05:09] <X7C> i'm trying to make a partition on it as it seems there's no partition in it
[05:09] <Xgates> Alsa is much better
[05:09] <aprill2k> my girlfriend says she wants to give me a bj, so i have to go
[05:09] <Q_Continuum> Okay people doing an install on quite literally bleeding-edge hardware here.  Intel i955 chipset, hardware preview setup (Intel shipped to my buddy - I'm his linux guru dude) and we're not finding any HD (SATA attached)
[05:09] <X7C> !
[05:09] <X7C> haha
[05:09] <aprill2k> X7C, try qtparted
[05:09] <X7C> good luck then 8[05:09] <X7C> :p
[05:09] <aprill2k> im out... 8[05:10] <aprill2k> ( . ) ( . )
[05:10] <mebaran151> could anyone help me with my random halting problem
[05:10] <mebaran151> when I have huge IO over my SATA HDD's on AMD64
[05:10] <mebaran151> my comp randomly halts
[05:11] <mebaran151> hard
[05:11] <mebaran151> I get this message right before
[05:11] <GhostFreeman> Can I get an official statement as to why Firefox crashes all the time
[05:11] <hybrid> GhostFreeman: breezy or hoary?
[05:11] <GhostFreeman> Hoary
[05:11] <GhostFreeman> 1.0.2
[05:11] <hybrid> well nvm :P
[05:11] <jldugger> GhostFreeman, cuz you overclocked
[05:11] <X7C> how well is breezy going?
[05:11] <jldugger> ;)
[05:12] <X7C> any new gizmos on it?
[05:12] <GhostFreeman> I don't overclock
[05:12] <nxvl> wich is the user i must gave to cups when it ask's me fot user:pass??
[05:12] <X7C> :)
[05:12] <hybrid> GhostFreeman: if you must there is backports of 1.0.3
[05:12] <hybrid> jldugger: i am using it and am good to go
[05:12] <natex> GhostFreeman, do you want to just bitch about it? or solve the problem?
[05:12] <mebaran151> May 14 15:46:21 localhost kernel: Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequenc$May 14 15:50:09 localhost kernel: warning: many lost ticks.
[05:12] <mebaran151> May 14 15:50:09 localhost kernel: Your time source seems to be instable or some$May 14 15:50:09 localhost kernel: rip __end_that_request_first+0xd9/0x1e0
[05:12] <GhostFreeman> I want to fix it
[05:12] <mebaran151> it always starts my by losing ticks
[05:12] <mebaran151> then losing many ticks
[05:13] <mebaran151> then running an esoteric rip some function at some hex address
[05:13] <GhostFreeman> Anyways, it usually happens when right clicking on a page that has an embed object in it
[05:13] <jldugger> hey, I screwed up and installed windows second. how can i restore my grub boot loader?
[05:13] <X7C> xD
[05:14] <Tezkah> :x
[05:14] <X7C> grubinstall i think
[05:14] <jldugger> hmm.
[05:14] <jldugger> hope knoppix has that
[05:14] <jldugger> should.
[05:14] <X7C> try botting
[05:14] <X7C> with the instalation disk
[05:14] <jldugger> already did
[05:15] <jldugger> not a great recovery tool
[05:15] <X7C> and installing from grub from the setup drive
[05:15] <X7C> i mean setup thingie
[05:15] <GhostFreeman> i think there's a floppy utility that helps restore GRUB, can't think of it off hand
[05:15] <X7C> not drive
[05:15] <jldugger> if you go straight to installing a grub bootloader, it will try to repartition and then fail because theres no data to copy
[05:16] <nxvl> wich is the user i must gave to cups when it ask's me fot user:pass??
[05:16] <X7C> ??
[05:16] <truz24> has anyone setup public key authentication with ssh between redhat and ubuntu?
[05:16] <nxvl> when i open the cups-web interface
[05:16] <truz24> connecting from ubuntu to redhat
[05:16] <nxvl> and i want to configure anything it ask's me for a user:pass
[05:17] <X7C> jldugger
[05:17] <metalsand> Someone must know if I need the woody libdv4 stuff that's listed in obsolete in Synaptic...
[05:17] <jldugger> X7C?
[05:17] <X7C> but you can exit the setup
[05:17] <jldugger> you get an awesome shitty shell
[05:17] <jldugger> no grub
[05:17] <X7C> ahmm... i dunno
[05:17] <jldugger> that embedded system toolkit, cant remember the name of it offhand
[05:17] <X7C> anyway knoppix should have it
[05:17] <X7C> :)
[05:18] <jldugger> problem is, im chatting on the box i have to reboot to test the theory out
[05:18] <GhostFreeman> Having a knoppix CD on hand is good
[05:18] <GhostFreeman> in general
[05:18] <X7C> i think you should be able to mount your drive and install grub from the ubuntu install cd
[05:18] <Xgates> does anyone know if the Audigy LS will work in Ubuntu?
[05:18] <Xgates> I thought Alsa 1.0.8 was supported for it
[05:18] <Xgates> hmm
[05:19] <jldugger> the debian installer apparently runs off of busybox to keep the ram requirements down
[05:20] <X7C> :( i have a locked pendrive and the little swtich at the side for unlocking it won't work :(
[05:20] <jldugger> X7C, maybe the FS got damaged?
[05:20] <IcemanV9> nxvl: are u using System > Administration > Printing ?? it doesn't ask for user/passwd
[05:21] <X7C> maybe....
[05:21] <jldugger> i had a drive that wouldn't write or delete, turned out that apples enjoy destroying those things
[05:21] <natex> Xgates, try this article
[05:21] <X7C> apples = ur dog?
[05:21] <natex> Xgates, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-December/017391.html
[05:21] <jldugger> apples = the computers
[05:21] <X7C> or apple like in ppc company
[05:21] <X7C> ah
[05:21] <nxvl> IcemanV9: im tring to use the web-interface
[05:21] <X7C> damn pendrive
[05:22] <X7C> people at my dad's office have broken three pendrives already
[05:22] <X7C> i fixed two of them :)
[05:22] <X7C> and kept them
[05:22] <X7C> i got this one left
[05:22] <Q_Continuum> *sigh*
[05:23] <Xgates> natex, well I know that info about the snd-ca0106 driver but thats in 1.0.8, so what happened Ubuntu Dev didnt compile that in?
[05:23] <IcemanV9> nxvl: well. there is a warning on the top of the page as you've said earlier. it is disabled for security reasons.
[05:24] <IcemanV9> nxvl: why can u just use System > Admin > Printing?
[05:24] <Xgates> is Ubuntu using the Soundcard drivers from the Kernel OR from the Alsadrivers?
[05:25] <nxvl> IcemanV9: i didnt know why there isn't right now
[05:26] <Xgates> hmm guess I need to install the alsa-source
[05:26] <Xgates> oh well
[05:26] <Xgates> hehe
[05:27] <fazer> hi
[05:28] <nobile> hey
[05:29] <oinkoink> hello.  may I ask a question?
[05:29] <fazer> oinkoink: read the topoic
[05:29] <fazer> *topic
[05:30] <oinkoink> I'm not sure what this means *topic.  This is my first time using IRC
[05:30] <oinkoink> say but I have an ubuntu question
[05:30] <nobile> yes you can ask a question =)
[05:30] <IcemanV9> oinkoink: from topic "Have a question? Just ask! "
[05:31] <fazer> oinkoink: *topic was my spelling correction
[05:31] <Xgates> OK here we go ---> ./configure --with-cards=ca0106 --with-sequencer=yes
[05:31] <Xgates> hehe
[05:31] <fazer> so if I say "Hello theer oinkoink " and later say *there that means I corrected my spelling error.
[05:31] <oinkoink> I have hoary hedgehog installed.  When I boot it tries to start up ppp.  Sometimes also after I go past the login screen.
[05:31] <ablyss> hi all
[05:31] <fazer> oinkoink: okay?
[05:31] <oinkoink> how do I stop this so it only dials my modem when I tell it to?
[05:32] <fazer> wow, nice to see you got your modem working
[05:32] <fazer> I haven't had much luck with mine =(
[05:32] <oinkoink> it works okay.  I used to run redhat
[05:33] <oinkoink> so I know a bit of linux (I also program on a linux box at work)
[05:33] <kingsley> I'm about to connect an XP computer to the net through my debian box. What's a good way to insulate the former from viruses, worms, spam and other acts of barbarism?
[05:34] <oinkoink> but this automatic dialing mystifies me.  Somehow it must be launched by the startup scripts
[05:34] <fazer> kingsley: firewall, antivirus and spyware scanners.
[05:34] <fazer> oinkoink: yeah, I guess when it tries to start network interfaces it dials your modem.
[05:35] <Tezkah> it dials... Africa!?
[05:35] <fazer> oinkoink: have you tried disabling your modem and then rebooting to see if it still auto-dials upon start-up?
[05:35] <Xgates> say what package do I need to have installed for compiling?
[05:35] <kingsley> fazer: Do you happen to know which specific applications work well?
[05:35] <Xgates> cant remember the name of it
[05:35] <oinkoink> fazer, to get the modem working, read man pages on pon and poff and pppconfig.
[05:36] <fazer> kingsley: well, not sure.  I believe if you have SP 2, you are pretty much protected when it comes to firewall.
[05:36] <fazer> oinkoink: its not that, I first have to make linux see my modem first, the rest is easy.
[05:36] <kingsley> Xgates: It could be several, but the gcc compiler and make seem likely to me.
[05:36] <oinkoink> if i unplug the modem it won't dial.  I don't know what it's dialing to as it doesn't actually establish a connection
[05:37] <hybrid_goth> hello
[05:37] <hybrid_goth> all
[05:37] <xim> oinkoink, be sure the line that begins with "auto" in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't contains ppp0
[05:37] <oinkoink> thanks, xim!
[05:37] <Tezkah> peepeepee zero
[05:37] <Tezkah> ra0 for life
[05:37] <Xgates> kingsley, no there is a package I forgot the name of it
[05:37] <Xgates> besides them
[05:38] <nalioth> howdy
[05:38] <fazer> hi
[05:39] <Xgates> ahh --> build-essential
[05:39] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: the police aint got you yet?
[05:39] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: nope
[05:40] <hybrid_goth> i see you are still legal
[05:40] <Xgates> Im getting this for all sorts of headers missing --->  linux/poll.h: No such file or directory
[05:40] <Xgates> I thought that Ubuntu installes the linux headers?
[05:40] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: i am loving screen
[05:40] <hybrid_goth> still using it
[05:40] <oinkoink> xim, you were right: there was a line auto ppp0 that I just now commented out.
[05:41] <nalioth> legal?
[05:41] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: btw you may wat to add agr as an alias for apt-get remove
[05:41] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: yes you arent a fugitive
[05:41] <hybrid_goth> *want
[05:42] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: i already have agr as "apt-get update" or reload <nods to synaptic>
[05:42] <Xgates> oh I guess I need the kernel src installed
[05:42] <Xgates> hehe
[05:42] <hybrid_goth> oh
[05:42] <fazer> oinkoink: i guess that should do it then
[05:42] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: i have apt-install and etc
[05:42] <kingsley> Xgates: ubuntu's web site may have a page that shows you which package contains a certain file, like poll.h.
[05:43] <fazer> kingsley: btw, I have had a good experience wth Microsoft's Anti-Spyware program
[05:43] <fazer> although its still buggy due its Beta stage
[05:44] <hybrid_goth> kingsley: he could locate
[05:44] <oinkoink> fazer, I had to mess around a bit to find the modem.  First I tried  ttyS0 then ttyS1.
[05:44] <g14> fazer: I can't get the M$ anti-spyware to work very well. Wine doesn't like it :-)
[05:44] <fazer> oinkoink: aah yes, the com ports.
[05:44] <fazer> g14: har.
[05:45] <nalioth> microsloths antispyware??? hello wyle E coyote, please come guard my henhouse. Bring your friend Br'er Fox and Br'er Weasel with you
[05:45] <oinkoink> say yes, ttyS0 is COM1, ttyS1 is COM2
[05:45] <nalioth> g14 use clamav
[05:45] <|QuaD-> do i have routed and ripd services active?
[05:45] <g14> nalioth: I was kidding, and I use clamav to catch with windows virii going through my mailserver
[05:46] <fazer> oinkoink: Yeah, I think I was able to get my modem recognized but wasn't able to utilize it.  I rarely ever use my modem anyways.  I was able to get my Microsoft Wlan card working with Linux though ;)
[05:46] <nalioth> g14 you know me seeing microsloth mentioned in here, gets my dander up
[05:46] <oinkoink> pppconfig asks for a modem location, so you guess ttyS0, and if that doesn't work, ttyS1
[05:47] <tsume> yay to wxwidgets
[05:47] <fazer> oinkoink: ah, yeah, I used minicom and I think it picked up on ttyS1
[05:47] <fazer> which makes sense since I guess COM2 is what XP was using.
[05:48] <knapjack> Any printing pros around?
[05:48] <oinkoink> I like to boot into the console and from there use startx if I want X.  On redhat I gave 3 as a kernel argument to grub to do this but it didn't seem to work on ubuntu.
[05:49] <oinkoink> what is the appropriate runlevel to boot to console?
[05:49] <knapjack> I have this weird problem.  Under Warty I hacked the PPD for my DeskJet to get the page margins perfect.  I did a clean reinstall to Hoary, copied my PPD back to the right location for the new printer, and it doesn't work.
[05:49] <knapjack> It's like hpijs just ignores the PPD page settings.
[05:51] <oinkoink> fazer, I hope that works, it sounds an awful lot like that must be the problem,  so feed ttyS1 to pppconfig.
[05:51] <tsume> knapjack: make sure you have the foomatic scripts installed for the HP-warez
[05:51] <knapjack> tsume: Are they not installed by default?
[05:51] <tsume> knapjack: foomatic-rip and the other one, which can also be found on the linuxprinting website. I've not even tried my HP desktop 3620 because HP are horrible at inkjets
[05:51] <fazer> oinkoink: ah, I think will try that now
[05:51] <tsume> knapjack: don't know.
[05:51] <oinkoink> good luck!
[05:52] <kakalto> what is a scan program other than xsane?
[05:52] <kakalto> (xsane crashes for me)
[05:52] <nalioth> g14 we havin fun yet?
[05:52] <nalioth> g14 do you feel your ROTS glands acting up?
[05:52] <tsume> knapjack: check your foomatic versions, and the daemon you're using to print with
[05:53] <h> hey i was just wondering if anyone would be willing to help me get my sound working
[05:53] <Xgates> kingsley, I'm sure the kernel src is needed I forgot about that one, alsadriver compiles against it
[05:53] <h> there are no sounds cards found
[05:54] <h> and i've used the script listed on the ubuntu wiki to get sound information
[05:54] <h> /proc/asound doesn't exist
[05:54] <g14> nalioth: I don't understand why I can't remove any spyware
[05:54] <h> /dev/snd does not exist
[05:55] <Tezkah> but... I really need a program to remember my passwords
[05:55] <Tezkah> how will I live without Gator?
[05:55] <h> try the password ring
[05:55] <nalioth> g14 what spyware?
[05:55] <Tezkah> just kidding, I'm using kwallet
[05:56] <poningru> I have a tiny prob
[05:56] <g14> nalioth: Thats sarcasm man
[05:56] <h> anyone?
[05:56] <poningru> whenever I close the screen of my laptop it freezes up and blinks a cursor
[05:56] <nalioth> g14 i could tell you how to get rid of spyware, but not in this channel
[05:56] <poningru> if I press alt+F4
[05:56] <nalioth> g14 its considered a 'command of mass destruction'
[05:56] <poningru> there is a login prompt in the text mode
[05:57] <g14> nalioth: The best way to remove spyware on windows is to download the whole cygwin distro
[05:58] <poningru> anyone know what the best prob is?
[05:58] <g14> nalioth: Then type wget http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[05:58] <poningru> err what the prob is?
[05:58] <poningru> using gnome here
[05:58] <hybrid_goth> g14: heh
[06:00] <Tezkah> the prob is you're using gnome!
[06:00] <Tezkah> just kidding
[06:00] <DonL> anyone else having the multitude of problems with mplayer I'm having?
[06:00] <poningru> tezkah
[06:00] <poningru> hmm
[06:00] <Tezkah> ohhh
[06:00] <Choubaka> I don't know your problems, but if I do something wrong with mplayer my system freezes. -_-
[06:00] <Tezkah> i see what you mean
[06:00] <Tezkah> I get that too
[06:00] <Choubaka> Crappy hardware.
[06:00] <poningru> yeah I cant think of witty remarks
[06:01] <Tezkah> and I use KDE
[06:01] <Tezkah> it should just blank the screen
[06:01] <poningru> yeah how do I fix it grr
[06:01] <DonL> I can go onto Apple's site, look at movie trailers, and as soon as I end them, it kills Firefox
[06:01] <sig> http://harrisplace.net/screenshots/
[06:02] <g14> DonL: Just a thought, don't go to Apple's site?
[06:02] <torpid> if i have an 800mhz fsb, should i be able to overclock my p4?
[06:02] <DonL> haha
[06:02] <torpid> i can't make the fsb faster can i?
[06:02] <Xgates> whats wrong with 800
[06:02] <Xgates> hehe
[06:02] <regeya> I don't understand the penchant that debian types have for renaming packages.
[06:02] <Xgates> yes some mobos can be OC to 1000
[06:02] <regeya> for example, hoary has dbus-1.  breezy has dbus.
[06:03] <DonL> It doesn't seem to matter where I get the files.
[06:03] <DonL> If a media file opens in Firefox, it doesn't know how to close cleanly it seems
[06:03] <g14> DonL: Do you use mozplugger?
[06:03] <Choubaka> firefox 1.0 sucks.
[06:04] <Choubaka> I tried the trunk builds. They work a lot smoother.
[06:04] <DonL> g14. yes, I have mozplugger installed
[06:04] <g14> Choubaka: Yeah I prefer using w3m to browse the web. It's way cooler
[06:04] <Choubaka> Though I won't be using them until 1.1 is released.
[06:04] <Choubaka> Haha ::D
[06:04] <regeya> all I ask of my system is that when I plug in removable media, it shows up on my desktop.  that's all I ask.  I realize that this capability has only been around a few months but all I ask is that I have a fully-functional ubuntu system without having to constantly run the unstable branch. ;-)
[06:04] <nalioth> g14 cygwin is just a bandaid on a big festering problem
[06:05] <g14> DonL: I've actually had the same problem with mozplugger and mp3s
[06:05] <DonL> g14, did you uninstall mozplugger?
[06:05] <g14> nalioth: I was kidding man! kidding. I don't remember the last time I booted an M$ operating system
[06:05] <g14> DonL: Sure did
[06:05] <DonL> ..and that worked?
[06:05] <torpid> Xgates overclocking the proc means overclocking the fsb right?
[06:05] <g14> DonL: There is a ff plugin for mplayer I believe
[06:06] <DonL> g14, yes, I did that.
[06:06] <Xgates> hey M$ is GREAT for gaming that's Fo Sure!
[06:06] <Xgates> WoOt
[06:06] <Xgates> hehe
[06:06] <Choubaka> hmm
[06:06] <Xgates> torpid, depends on your bios
[06:06] <Xgates> some are seperate
[06:06] <jcinacio> torpid, not always... you can modify some cpus's multiplier
[06:07] <Xgates> torpid, what mobo you have?
[06:07] <g14> nalioth: I say use the right tool for the right job. Windows is good for gamers and people that enjoy becoming part of a botnet
[06:07] <Xgates> lol
[06:07] <Choubaka> I think I shall start downloading that FreeBSD ISO now.
[06:07] <jcinacio> like my unlocked XP2500+ :)
[06:07] <torpid> my motherboard is 865g ich5
[06:07] <Xgates> Choubaka, did you see that new one PCBSD?
[06:07] <jcinacio> lol or use 213 firewalls
[06:08] <nalioth> botnet participants, thats frakkin' funny!
[06:08] <Choubaka> Xgates: hmm?
[06:08] <nalioth> "Which way to participate in the botnet, sir?"
[06:08] <regeya> Choubaka, that sounds like a good idea to me too
[06:08] <Xgates> Choubaka, http://www.pcbsd.org/
[06:08] <nalioth> rofl
[06:08] <torpid> eww..amd
[06:08] <Choubaka> Windows _can_ be secure.
[06:09] <Xgates> HEY Linux is a AMD OS
[06:09] <Choubaka> it's just too much work for a normal person.
[06:09] <merc248> Does anyone recommend JFS at all as a file system over say... ReiserFS 3.6?
[06:09] <regeya> aye
[06:09] <jcinacio> yep, router+nat + hard. firewall + soft. firewall + antispam + etc....
[06:09] <klaus^^^> how do i unisttal a program instaled in cedega
[06:09] <klaus^^^> ?
[06:09] <merc248> I couldn't find much information on that through the Ubuntu forums or Google :p
[06:09] <Xgates> especially if you are into Mulitimedia, then Intels are not the way to go
[06:09] <samuel_> is there any way to get gksudo to authenticate as root in ubuntu?
[06:09] <regeya> I have machines at work that I've worked with.  I don't know much about XP, though.  I'm more or less a bastard about usage
[06:09] <nalioth> Choubaka: sure it can, still in its blister pack
[06:09] <klaus^^^> goldfish,
[06:09] <klaus^^^> man
[06:09] <ali4728> bob2
[06:10] <klaus^^^> how do i uninstall it
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> klaus^^^,  could just delete the dir it installed to.
[06:10] <Xgates> Choubaka, what PCBSD, hehe looks simpler then Free
[06:10] <klaus^^^> is that simple
[06:10] <torpid> god, i'm about to do the unthinkable and go back to windoze if i can't get my audio problems resolved.
[06:10] <Choubaka> Xgates: Hehe.
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> depends on if you used that Point2whatever, or installed it from the command line.
[06:10] <Xgates> torpid, what problem, what card?
[06:10] <DonL> got to reboot and check out something...
[06:10] <Xgates>  Point2whatever LOL
[06:11] <Xgates> thats a good one
[06:11] <^thehatsrule^> point2play?
[06:11] <Choubaka> nalioth: nah. windows has many security features.
[06:11] <fazer> Choubaka: amped up for Star Wars? ;-)
[06:11] <Choubaka> nalioth: but by default most users use it as an administrator.
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> ive rarely had Point2Play to actually work worth a diddle. :P
[06:11] <nalioth> Choubaka: security tape on the box?
[06:11] <Xgates> as in cough(*&(cough ---> Point2Play
[06:11] <^thehatsrule^> 'features' - id look that up
[06:11] <Choubaka> nalioth: because it's so damn painful to use it otherwise.
[06:11] <g14> So putting graphics functions directly into the kernel and integrating a web browser that supports activex are security features?
[06:12] <Choubaka> which means all the security features go to naught.
[06:12] <g14> thats news to me
[06:12] <nalioth> Choubaka: i've been m$ free for 5 years
[06:12] <metalsand> g14: I was just thinking of you
[06:12] <Xgates> Dr_Willis, P2P is great, I mean all it is, is a FE GUI to Cedega, but it makes installing and uninstalling games good, especially for like register issues and keeping it all clean
[06:12] <metalsand> g14: I have more newbie questions :)
[06:12] <Choubaka> nalioth: I've been that for only a year or so. .)
[06:12] <jcinacio> hehe just remembered... i'm fed up w/ my xbox, have to try and install some *nix on it :-)
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> Xgates,  yea .. be great if it ever actually worked for me.
[06:12] <g14> metalsand: More computer security stuff?
[06:12] <regeya> stupid fandango...
[06:12] <regeya>  We are sorry, but an internal error has occured. You have not been charged for this transaction.
[06:12] <metalsand> g14: Right :)
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> Xgates,  lol :P
[06:12] <Xgates> Dr_Willis, why what problems?
[06:12] <Xgates> I've used it alot in Slackware just fine
[06:12] <IcemanV9> nalioth: that is terrific! i'm only 3 wks M$ free. :)
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> Xgates,  it just seems to get confused very very very easially.
[06:12] <mebaran151> I want to fix this
[06:13] <samuel> is there any way to get gksudo to authenticate as root in ubuntu?
[06:13] <mebaran151> my kernel likes to halt under heavy io
[06:13] <mebaran151> what should I do
[06:13] <nalioth> hey xbox talk! whatya think linux'll do on a box with 3 power4 cores?
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> Xgates,  i thinbk they need to  rethink the whole thing :)
[06:13] <mebaran151> other than give up and become a French man
[06:13] <metalsand> g14: It seems the majority of people (including myself) always have only port 80, so I was curious... Is port 80 generally secure?
[06:13] <Xgates> HEY we NEED to RESCUE torpid he said if he cant get the sound working he's going back to M$, hehe we can't let that happen
[06:13] <metalsand> g14: Or is that generally what's targeted?
[06:13] <nalioth> metalsand: just like a barn door
[06:13] <wasap> does anyone know how to get up to date stuff. i ran the update and it says no updates but i still have firefox 1.0.2 and gaim 1.1 ?
[06:13] <g14> metalsand: That depends on what webserver you are running
[06:13] <klaus^^^> samuel, read the ubuntu guide
[06:13] <nalioth> wasap: you are up to date
[06:14] <klaus^^^> it says how
[06:14] <g14> metalsand: It is generally apache or apache2 which runs 60%+ of the internet
[06:14] <wasap> i have way newer on my gentoo
[06:14] <g14> metalsand: Which is a yes
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> wasap,  could be the latest and greatest havent made it into the package systems yet.
[06:14] <metalsand> g14: What about general home users?
[06:14] <Xgates> Dr_Willis, yea as in NO more M$ emu's and start building everything for Linux binaries :-)
[06:14] <nalioth> wasap: so compile it for yourself
[06:14] <wasap> oh that sucks
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> Gentoo is so up to date. its scary.
[06:14] <metalsand> g14: People running Windows machines
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> Gentoo is so up to date. ive had it blow up. :P
[06:14] <samuel> klaus^^^, thanks
[06:14] <nalioth> wasap: the last 2 updates on FF were security updates (mostly aimed at windoze (l)users)
[06:14] <metalsand> 'Evening, nalioth :)
[06:15] <nalioth> howdy, metalsand
[06:15] <Tezkah> Gentoo is up to date, you just have to compile it
[06:15] <g14> metalsand: general home users have no business running a webserver. Uninstall apache
[06:15] <samuel> klaus^^^, www.ubuntuguide.org/ ?
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> "Emerge sync done... please emerge sync again to be sure to get all the updates you missed out on while updateing"
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:15] <klaus^^^> yes
[06:15] <Xgates> oh I loved that 7 hour install in Gentoo, OH please give me more INSTALL HELL abuse
[06:15] <Xgates> LOL
[06:15] <Tezkah> nalioth: yeah, but mozilla update wont let you install updates unless you upgrade to 1.0.4
[06:15] <Xgates> and then have the noobs hose the box and do another src install
[06:15] <Xgates> LMAO
[06:15] <wasap> 7 hours wow your pc must suck lol
[06:16] <metalsand> g14: You can still nmap a home user's IP, though...
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> Xgates,  thats why i alwyas did a pkg install from the premade packages.. but then the first update took a day.
[06:16] <Xgates> wasap, no not really it was pretty top notch at that time, it was a AMD-1.1 T-Bird
[06:16] <ali4728> Help ! I have a webserver (LAMP) and I'd like to receive emails from my contact page through php script. Any idea how can do that?
[06:16] <nalioth> Tezkah: isnt there a file in your .mozilla/firefox you can edit ???
[06:16] <Xgates> T-Birds where killer cpus
[06:16] <g14> metalsand: firewall firewall firewall. That will prevent 90% of the script kids from messing with you because they are too ignorant to do anything else
[06:16] <nalioth> Tezkah: i believe there is
[06:17] <Tezkah> nalioth: I just installed the binary from mozilla.org
[06:17] <wasap> what about win32codecs. i cant seem to find that and i tried w32codec and it said it dont exist.
[06:17] <Xgates> ran mine almost 24/7 for 3 years, and the cpu is still chugging along just fine
[06:17] <bretzel> to meself: I LOVE SO MUCH DEB pkg managers engine!!!!
[06:17] <jcinacio> there's an extension somewhere to modify your user-agent (using IE will work :/)
[06:17] <nalioth> Tezkah: ok. and in the ./mozilla/firefox/ there is a txt file that tells update.mozilla.org waht you have
[06:17] <metalsand> g14: How effective are software firewalls installed on routers?
[06:17] <thechitowncubs> How many members are part of the kernel development?
[06:17] <metalsand> g14: because that's all I have enabled currently
[06:18] <Xgates> Dr_Willis, hehe
[06:18] <jcinacio> nalioth, check http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/useragentswitcher/
[06:18] <Choubaka> hmm. PCBSD uses KDE -_-
[06:18] <g14> metalsand: If you didn't know, the majority of newer routers are just embedded linux distros
[06:18] <Choubaka> too heavy for my server/family e-mail machine
[06:18] <Tezkah> nalioth: or you could just use about:config
[06:18] <metalsand> g14: I didn't know :)
[06:18] <Tezkah> KDE is so cute though
[06:18] <Choubaka> I require XFCE4
[06:19] <metalsand> All I run is the Gnome foot, and the only KDE I've seen is through whoppix
[06:19] <IcemanV9> yep Choubaka PCBSD use KDE
[06:19] <Choubaka> KDE is cool in a way.
[06:19] <jcinacio> i guess it shouldn't be so hard to install XFCE on it, maybe from source only though...
[06:19] <Tezkah> hmm
[06:19] <Choubaka> but it still lacks some of the features I want.
[06:19] <Tezkah> I wonder if I will try to install XFCE again
[06:19] <Choubaka> jcinacio: it doesn't have ports :(
[06:20] <jcinacio> hmm that sucks
[06:20] <Choubaka> tricks?
[06:20] <torpid> anyone here ever gotten spdif working with on-board audio before?
[06:20] <g14> type /msg nalioth and tell him your ff tricks. I bet he will listen
[06:20] <bretzel> Aaaah! just found and built and installed: GCM ( gnome-clipboard-manager: this is the answer to the Klipper replacement ;-) )
[06:20] <metalsand> g14: So most modern router's built in firewall software is very secure?
[06:20] <Tezkah> OpenBSD
[06:21] <Tezkah> >.>
[06:21] <g14> metalsand: It is as secure as it as configured. But as a rule, yes
[06:22] <g14> metalsand: Go ahead and ask pretty much anything computer security or networking related
[06:22] <g14> metalsand: As long as it's not, "How do I hack?"
[06:22] <no0b> how do i install a .deb file?
[06:22] <metalsand> g14: Awesome :D
[06:22] <metalsand> g14: How do I hack?
[06:22] <metalsand> g14: I have kismet and ethereal :P
[06:23] <no0b> how do i install .deb files?
[06:23] <metalsand> Real question: I have ports 10000-60000 unblocked for BitTorrent, are there many exploits avilable for people to hijack my computer with those open all the time?
[06:23] <nalioth> no0b: sudo dpkg -i <debname.deb>
[06:23] <no0b> thanks
[06:23] <g14> metalsand: http://dban.sourceforge.net/ Boot with it and just keep on pressing enter. Thats how you become a hacker
[06:23] <metalsand> Should I seriously check that out? :x
[06:23] <g14> metalsand: You have to have something listening on a port to hack into your computer
[06:23] <jcinacio> err... why 50,000 ports open?
[06:24] <g14> metalsand: That is a linux distro that will securely delete everything on every harddrive it can mount
[06:24] <metalsand> jcinacio: BT randomly picks one of those ports... I guess ecurity?
[06:24] <jcinacio> i thought bittorrent used like 2 ports? tcp/udp
[06:25] <g14> metalsand: BT is relatively secure. Search www.secunia.com for exploits. And then www.packetstormsecurity.org for the actual code
[06:25] <metalsand> g14: hahahhahahah... That's actually good to know. Are the myths of the FBI being able to find every deleted file on your harddrive true? :x
[06:25] <jcinacio> tbh i use azureus so can't say much...
[06:25] <nalioth> jcinacio: ports and protocols are two different things
[06:25] <nalioth> metalsand: they won't if you use dban or its cousins
[06:25] <astro76> metalsand: all you need open for bittorrent is 6881-6889
[06:26] <defkewl> is xfce lighter than gnome? or this only happens in high spec computers?
[06:26] <jcinacio> yeah i know, but in azureus it uses noly 6800 something tcp and udp
[06:26] <g14> metalsand: www.encase.com. That is the software the fbi uses. In high profile cases, they use hardware designed for data recovery. That is very true
[06:26] <nalioth> defkewl: xfce is "ligher" in the cpu usage department, if thats what you're asking
[06:26] <metalsand> So how can they go about calling it "Full format", "Secure delete"
[06:26] <jcinacio> @ work i'm behind nat router so i only open those... and it works ok
[06:27] <nalioth> metalsand: a "secure delete" if you've ever used one, takes a long time for a single small file (to do it right)
[06:27] <g14> metalsand: There are governtment standards and then there is the guttman method of secure deletion
[06:27] <nalioth> metalsand: and for a full HD, it takes days or weeks to do it right
[06:27] <g14> yes
[06:27] <metalsand> Guttman? Gut it out and toss it in the trash?
[06:27] <jcinacio> heh, i think writing 0's over a file many times over is secure enough... :-p
[06:27] <g14> jcinacio: You think very wrong
[06:28] <nalioth> metalsand: and nothing beats and axe and sledge thru the old platters (followed by an oxy-acetlyne roasting)
[06:28] <jcinacio> g14, hmmm... care to explain?
[06:28] <defkewl> nalioth: I have a 2.2 Gigs P4 and 128 MB RAM and I didn't see any performance difference compared to gnome :(
[06:28] <metalsand> nalioth: For some reason I believe you've actually done that :P
[06:28] <Choubaka> nalioth: and a magnet.
[06:28] <Choubaka> defkewl: wtf.
[06:28] <nalioth> defkewl: there may not be a noticeable diff in a higher-end machine
[06:28] <g14> jcinacio: It's called computer forensics. Data can be recovered that has been overwritten a dozen or more times with the proper hardware
[06:29] <Choubaka> such a processor and so few ram?
[06:29] <g14> jcinacio: Encase is scary with the stuff it can recover
[06:29] <jcinacio> i have 1gb ram and i notice it
[06:29] <metalsand> g14: when I nmap <my ip> it states there's 1 IP addres (my router), how can I scan using nmap to discover the subusers of the router?
[06:29] <Choubaka> defkewl: get more ASAP
[06:29] <nalioth> maybe he ment 1028
[06:29] <g14> metalsand: You can't. It's called a firewall
[06:29] <Choubaka> nalioth: not possible?
[06:29] <metalsand> that frightens me that the only way to truely secure a harddrive is to toss it
[06:29] <Choubaka> defkewl: having that low ram wastes the full potential of the machine :p
[06:30] <g14> metalsand: Unless you establish a tunnel through it. But that is another day
[06:30] <metalsand> g14: So most apache servers don't go through firewalls?
[06:30] <jcinacio> hm... i always thought  writing random data over and over would be the end of it... guess not
[06:30] <defkewl> Choubaka: So you think that I should add more RAM?
[06:30] <g14> metalsand: Apache is a secure webserver. End of story. It has more usage than anyother one on the internet
[06:30] <defkewl> I also uses on board vga
[06:30] <metalsand> g14: Right :)
[06:30] <jcinacio> defkewl, sure!
[06:30] <defkewl> and I guess that the VGA eats the memory of RAM
[06:31] <jcinacio> a P3 w/ 512MB would be faster than a P4 w/ 128Mb lol
[06:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i get the panel applet that tells me when there are updates to ubuntu?
[06:31] <metalsand> g14: Next question, of 2^342923423423423... When I access kismet dumps (var/log/kismet), and open them up with Etheral... Where exactly does it list information?
[06:32] <g14> metalsand: You actually NEED to understand networking and how a packet is laid out to understand packet dumps
[06:32] <g14> metalsand: I don't guess you have much networking experience
[06:33] <metalsand> g14: We were talking about possibly going into CS in 2 years (after I knock out my GED courses)
[06:34] <g14> metalsand: Nice. You might also read up on dsniff
[06:34] <metalsand> So, nope. I'm very much a newbie. I've ran Windows for 9 years, and this is my first week in Linux. I'm very unexposed to details in general :x
[06:35] <g14> metalsand: But you want to learn, that is important
[06:35] <metalsand> g14: I want to learn a lot
[06:36] <toran> hey guys... I have cups installed and configured to allow other computers on my network to send stuff to my computer
[06:36] <toran> then I added a printer
[06:36] <metalsand> Dsniff, perhaps when I understand how kismet or etheral works, I'll venture into dsniff (I'll probably apt-get it in 30 minutes once I realized how overwhelmed I am)
[06:36] <nalioth> metalsand: there is much on the internet to read on any computer related subject
[06:36] <toran> but it shows up as "host/<printer>", not "host/printers/Laser"
[06:37] <toran> s/Laser/<printer>
[06:37] <g14> metalsand: go to www.packetstormsecurity.org and search for pdf. You might actually understand some of the papers :)
[06:37] <toran> anyway, how do I change that?
[06:37] <metalsand> nalioth: Uhuh. O'reily books are my friend :P
[06:37] <g14> yes
[06:37] <metalsand> I have Running Linux, 4th edition and... Linux in a nutshell, 4th edition :D
[06:38] <metalsand> And a slew of WiFi/networking books.
[06:38] <toran> anyone know a good guide for getting network printing going?
[06:38] <g14> metalsand: Let me suggest 3 books for you
[06:38] <metalsand> I already have them saved in a text file ;)
[06:38] <g14> metalsand: ok good
[06:38] <metalsand> Wireless Networking, The definitive guide will hold my attention for at least a week :P
[06:39] <samuel> ok, is there any way to get gksudo to ask for the root password when trying to execute an admin task?
[06:39] <Amaranth> samuel: gksu
[06:40] <samuel> Amaranth, but gksu doesnt work if you are not an admin user
[06:40] <Amaranth> samuel: *shrug*
[06:40] <Amaranth> why are you using root?
[06:41] <samuel> Amaranth, im not.... but im user a normal user, as in - not member of the admin group
[06:41] <Amaranth> is there a root user on the system?
[06:41] <samuel> there is
[06:41] <samuel> ive enabled it
[06:41] <Amaranth> why?
[06:42] <samuel> because i disabled the admin group
[06:42] <Xgates> ALSA modules were successfully compiled.
[06:42] <Xgates> yep that was it
[06:42] <samuel> so i needen a root
[06:42] <Xgates> needed the src compiled in /usr/src/linus
[06:42] <Xgates> linux
[06:42] <Xgates> hehe
[06:45] <mainer> samuel try sudo su <application name>,or create a launcher with sudo su as a command prefix,maybe?
[06:45] <sig> sudo -s
[06:46] <samuel> mainer, thanks, that works fine, but all the launchers in ubuntu seem to use gksu by default, so i was wondering if there was some way of using gksudo short of deleting and linking to gksu
[06:47] <samuel> gksudo by default... sorry
[06:48] <jedi0473> hi
[06:49] <bluemax> hey, i have a problem with ubuntu's file browser app (nautilus i guess it is)
[06:49] <jedi0473> i want to change the language of my openoffice
[06:49] <jedi0473> any ideas
[06:49] <bluemax> whenever i open it, to any folder, it just hangs/freezes, and when i try to close it, i end up force-quitting it, but after it does that, it re-opens again and then hangs again
[06:50] <mainer> edit the properites tab on the icon right-click menu and preface the command with sudo su then reg. command(remove gksu,if not working0,or create a new launcher,link to same binary,but when first setting up in advance tab,use the do this before executing command box and put in sudo su,i think
[06:50] <mainer> soory,for samuel
[06:51] <nalioth> l8r
[06:51] <samuel> mainer, thanks
[06:52] <mainer> n.p.
[06:52] <bluemax> btw this all started after i changed the Show hidden files option
[06:53] <mainer> bluemax,thats strange,not sure
[06:53] <jedi0473> hi i need some  help
[06:53] <jedi0473> i need to change the lang to my openoffice
[06:53] <bluemax> hmm i guess i'll just try removing it and re-intalling it
[06:54] <mainer> try apt-get -f nautilus  in cli as super user
[06:54] <jedi0473> yep but id  like to use more lang
[06:54] <jedi0473> inmy box
[06:55] <mainer> jedi0473:not sure,only use one language check www.openoffice.org
[06:55] <mainer> or the man page
[06:55] <mainer> night-all,later
[06:56] <jedi0473> thnks
[06:57] <bluemax> ok well first i have to reboot because it keeps opening again by itself every damn time i close it
[06:58] <Xgates> Oh PLEASE sound now
[06:58] <Xgates> hehe
[07:01] <dabaSlon> If anyone wanted to know, I got tolf today how to setup Firefox to be able to access the extensions site, thinking it is 1.0.4.
[07:01] <dabaSlon> got told
[07:02] <shido6> how do I get my video to show up on my tv with the radeon?
[07:02] <shido6> video works on my 1st display but not the TV
[07:02] <shido6> I see output to my TV, desktop
[07:02] <shido6> but I get a black screen in the area where the movie should be
[07:02] <dabaSlon> wow...
[07:03] <dabaSlon> redirect output in the player?
[07:03] <shido6> hrmm
[07:03] <shido6> vlc
[07:03] <dabaSlon> Ill install that, I guess...
[07:04] <shido6> lets try xine
[07:04] <PrediusV2> dabaSlon, the Firefox issue was solved right in the open on the forums.
[07:04] <PrediusV2> Not that hard to miss.
[07:04] <dabaSlon> PrediusV2: cool.
[07:04] <dabaSlon> I never look there, I guess.
[07:04] <dabaSlon> thanks for reminding me of forums though, I need to go see a forum...
[07:05] <dabaSlon> And, thanks for telling me...I thought it was just by chance that I had heard it here.
[07:06] <dabaSlon> Oh, look, it is VLC, jus not in windows...
[07:08] <dabaSlon> dead here 2nite...
[07:08] <ablyss> what would i use to stream audio preferably in xmms in ubuntu?
[07:09] <dabaSlon> You mean to send it out on the internet?
[07:09] <ablyss> yes
[07:09] <dabaSlon> k, I dont know, but I wanted to see what you meant.
[07:09] <ablyss> shoutcast plugin exist i would think
[07:09] <m0td> can anyone help me get network printing working?
[07:10] <ablyss> heh.. its already there
[07:13] <revelater> is there a bitcomet for linux?
[07:14] <revelater> hello??
[07:14] <dabaSlon> not in apt.
[07:14] <revelater> echo!
[07:14] <revelater> dabaSlon: no, not in apt, i checked already
[07:15] <dabaSlon> hey, um, revelater!:)
[07:15] <dabaSlon> It is dead in here tonight.
[07:15] <revelater> dabaSlon: hey!!
[07:15] <dabaSlon> ill go google bitcomet
[07:15] <dabaSlon> to see what it is.
[07:15] <revelater> dabaSlon: are you the only one paying attention
[07:15] <revelater> ?
[07:15] <dabaSlon> Seems so...maybe...
[07:15] <revelater> dabaSlon: its a bittorrent client
[07:15] <dabaSlon> Why do you want that one?
[07:17] <dabaSlon> revelater: do you have a winemulator installed?
[07:17] <revelater> dabaSlon: nope
[07:17] <revelater> dabaSlon: and i don't plan on putting one
[07:18] <dabaSlon> ok, well, the bitcomet, as you know, seems to be windows only.
[07:18] <revelater> dabaSlon: i heard that its the best
[07:18] <revelater> dabaSlon: that it doesn't use much rescources
[07:18] <dabaSlon> Um, try some of the linux ones and see if they are similar?
[07:18] <dabaSlon> Its a windows program...
[07:18] <dabaSlon> :)
[07:18] <DR_K13> hi room
[07:18] <dabaSlon> hi dr.
[07:18] <revelater> i have tried abc, bittorrent, bittornado.
[07:19] <dabaSlon> none very good, hey?
[07:19] <revelater> bittornado is great actually
[07:19] <revelater> but uses about 50 megs of ram to download one file
[07:20] <revelater> sometimes more :(
[07:20] <Xgates> to load any extra mods I need would I put the mod name in /etc/modules?
[07:20] <trumpetmic> Any project managers around?
[07:20] <dabaSlon> heh:)
[07:21] <dabaSlon> revelater: um, did you check ouyt sf.net for torrents in search?
[07:21] <dabaSlon> trumpetmic: what is your question, please tell me.
[07:22] <trumpetmic> dabaSlon: I'm wondering if anyone experienced with project management would be willing to do a quick interview with me.
[07:22] <rj-> god dang it..
[07:22] <rj-> Can anyone help me get a soundblast card working?
[07:22] <dabaSlon> heh, cool, not me.
[07:22] <dabaSlon> trumpetmic: ^
[07:23] <trumpetmic> k.  thanks
[07:23] <dabaSlon> rj-, same for you likely.
[07:23] <dabaSlon> like software project management, right?
[07:23] <dabaSlon> I took the course last term.
[07:23] <rj-> I have 2 soundcards one is onboard via something -- and then theres my soundblaster live.
[07:23] <dabaSlon> rj, um do you know if it is being recognized?
[07:23] <rj-> I've followed the 2 card guide on the forums -- it didnt work.
[07:24] <dabaSlon> what is hte link?
[07:24] <rj-> dabaSlon: yes -- in alsamixer i can control the soundcard -- but in all my apps theres no sound -- i tried xmms -> configer and used esd first -- then alsa and then selecting other devices in the also config in xmms
[07:24] <rj-> nothing worked
[07:25] <Xgates> hmm if I try to install a mod as insmod
[07:25] <rj-> [rj@truffles]  $ ls -al /dev/dsp
[07:25] <rj-> crw-rw----  1 root audio 14, 3 2005-05-16 01:08 /dev/dsp
[07:25] <rj-> [rj@truffles]  $ ls -al /dev/dsp1
[07:25] <rj-> crw-rw----  1 root audio 14, 19 2005-05-16 01:08 /dev/dsp1
[07:25] <Xgates> I cant get it to go
[07:25] <DR_K13> k
[07:25] <Xgates> would 'insmod mod name' be sufficent?
[07:25] <dabaSlon> whats up doctor?
[07:26] <dabaSlon> does the music play in xmms, or does it freeze?
[07:26] <rj-> dabaSlon: plays
[07:26] <rj-> dabaSlon: i just dont have any audio coming out my speakers -- i just to make sure nothing was muted
[07:26] <dabaSlon> right, tried muting unmuting all possible combinations inside the alsamixer?
[07:26] <rj-> and everything is turned up -- first blast
[07:26] <rj-> yes
[07:26] <rj-> rmmod  snd_via82xx
[07:26] <dabaSlon> tried muting some, though?
[07:27] <rj-> i just removed my other soundcard it detected
[07:27] <rj-> let me see
[07:27] <hayden> how can i copy a file using 'ftp'
[07:27] <dabaSlon> something with numbers, like 1958
[07:27] <rj-> hackbard: put
[07:27] <dabaSlon> hayden, are you connectted to the server with ftp?
[07:27] <hayden> yep
[07:27] <dabaSlon> ok, so you have a ftp prompt?
[07:27] <hayden> yep
[07:27] <hayden> 'ftp>'
[07:27] <dabaSlon> and you know the file name?
[07:28] <hayden> its a directory
[07:28] <count0nz> Anyone working on xawdecode and or xdtv ?
[07:28] <dabaSlon> ok, um, are you getting, or putting the file?
[07:28] <hayden> putting
[07:28] <dabaSlon> ok, mkdir, dir name.
[07:28] <dabaSlon> mkdir dirname
[07:28] <dabaSlon> then, cd dirname,.
[07:28] <dabaSlon> then, lcd dirname
[07:29] <dabaSlon> then, mput *
[07:29] <dabaSlon> if it has no subfolders, everything is moved.
[07:29] <dabaSlon> COnsidered using a GUI?
[07:29] <hayden> what doe lcd dirname do
[07:30] <metalsand> G'night, Amaranth
[07:30] <dabaSlon> it makes your local working directory what you specify.
[07:30] <dabaSlon> liek, you are connected, there is a local, and remote machine.
[07:30] <hayden> ya
[07:30] <dabaSlon> lcd cds on the local machine.
[07:31] <dabaSlon> so, you create the folder, move into iit on both machines, and put all files from local to remote.
[07:31] <dabaSlon> I hacve dell spyawre
[07:31] <dabaSlon> Or Im crazy...[both possible.
[07:32] <allistairr> anyone running ubuntu on an older laptop?
[07:32] <dabaSlon> I guess that is a no.
[07:32] <killapop> allistairr: how do you mean "old?"
[07:32] <allistairr> lol... seems so
[07:33] <allistairr> well... 233mhz.. 64 mb of ram
[07:33] <killapop> allistairr: or older
[07:33] <allistairr> inspiron 3200
[07:33] <allistairr> I suppose there is older....
[07:33] <killapop> allistairr: :D gues that was a no!
[07:33] <allistairr> but... its old in my books
[07:33] <killapop> allistairr: why dost thou ask
[07:34] <hayden> thanks dabaSlon
[07:34] <allistairr> Just wonderin if there are some good reccomendations to boost performance
[07:34] <dabaSlon> hayden, welcome.
[07:34] <killapop> allistairr: did a nightmarish install on an IBM thinkpad some time ago.
[07:34] <AlfaWolph> gcc not installed by default in hoary?
[07:34] <Jerub_> AlfaWolph: sudo apt-get install gcc
[07:34] <allistairr> this install took like 5 hours.... but... it works =D
[07:34] <killapop> allistairr: none to offer man, chucked the effort after a few tries
[07:35] <allistairr> know of a low resource web browser?
[07:35] <Jerub_> allistairr: don't run gnome, run top every so often and sort by memory usage by hitting 'M'
[07:35] <hayden> dabaSlon, is there a way to make it put/copy/overwrite without asking me
[07:35] <AlfaWolph> thanks ;)
[07:35] <allistairr> I'm very new to linux... how do i run top?
[07:35] <Jerub_> allistairr: konqueror or firefox. they're both alright on older computers mostly.
[07:35] <Jerub_> allistairr: in a terminal, type 'top<enter>'
[07:35] <Jerub_> allistairr: it's a process monitor application
[07:36] <AlfaWolph> ncurses?
[07:36] <allistairr> is there a quick way to get into terminal without goin through the menus?
[07:36] <Jerub_> allistairr: right click on the background?
[07:36] <AlfaWolph> apt-get install ncurses doesn't work
[07:36] <allistairr> ah
[07:36] <allistairr> thank
[07:36] <Jerub_> AlfaWolph: apt-get install libcurses5
[07:36] <allistairr> well... at least irc runs nice =D
[07:37] <dabaSlon> hayden: I dontknow that much, try readiong some documentation
[07:37] <Jerub_> AlfaWolph: err, libncurses5
[07:37] <AlfaWolph> ahh
[07:37] <AlfaWolph> tricky ubuntu
[07:37] <hayden> ok
[07:37] <dabaSlon> k, sory
[07:37] <Jerub_> AlfaWolph: nope, it's the debian package name it's always been ;)
[07:37] <AlfaWolph> haha
[07:37] <AlfaWolph> jus me then ;)
[07:38] <dabaSlon> well, its sure not ubuntu..O:-)
[07:38] <AlfaWolph> do i need to do something to register them?
[07:38] <Jerub_> AlfaWolph: nope, just install them...
[07:38] <Jerub_> AlfaWolph: why are you installing them?
[07:38] <allistairr> thanks for the help guys... gonna try lowerin some resources
[07:38] <AlfaWolph> make menuconfig complains it can't find it
[07:39] <AlfaWolph> nm
[07:39] <Jerub_> oh, you need the -dev version
[07:39] <AlfaWolph> says ncurses-devel
[07:39] <AlfaWolph> yep
[07:39] <AlfaWolph> :)
[07:39] <Jerub_> look, the easiesr way is to do:
[07:40] <dabaSlon> apt-cache search ncurses?
[07:41] <AlfaWolph> ahh i didn't realize there was a search function
[07:41] <AlfaWolph> must be in the man page
[07:41] <dabaSlon> there may be.
[07:41] <Jerub_> w sudo apt-get build-dep linux-tree-2.6.12
[07:41] <Jerub_> err, ignore the 'w'
[07:42] <dabaSlon> for gcc, some recommend sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:43] <rj-> is there anyway to tell ubuntu's hal to not try to load a driver?
[07:43] <Jerub_> dabaSlon: thanks for that. I'll remember that.
[07:43] <rj-> it's auto-detecting a device and loading the driver -- i dont want that too happen
[07:43] <dabaSlon> yup:)
[07:43] <Jerub_> rj-: deselected in modconf?
[07:43] <dabaSlon> the sound card, hey?
[07:43] <Jerub_> oh, uhh. dunno.
[07:43] <AlfaWolph> apt-get says search is an invalid function?
[07:43] <dabaSlon> apt-cache search, did I say get?
[07:43] <Jerub_> AlfaWolph: apt-cache search
[07:43] <rj-> dabaSlon: im gonna disable the loading of my on-board soundcard.
[07:43] <dabaSlon> nope...
[07:44] <AlfaWolph> ah
[07:44] <Jerub_> AlfaWolph: have you run that line I gave yet?
[07:44] <dabaSlon> hey, rj, paste the output of amixer to a http://pastebin.com , please.
[07:44] <Jerub_> sudo apt-get build-dep linux-tree-2.6.12
[07:44] <dabaSlon> I just wanna see it,. I am not an expert.
[07:45] <dabaSlon> rj, catch crimsun when you see him active.
[07:45] <dabaSlon> but, give me that pastebin, please.
[07:45] <rj-> dabaSlon: http://pastebin.com/284990
[07:45] <dabaSlon> thanks
[07:45] <rj-> :((
[07:45] <AlfaWolph> what does that do jerub?
[07:45] <dabaSlon> can you take a screenshot of alsa mixer, and publish it somewhere?
[07:46] <rj-> sure -- hang on
[07:46] <dabaSlon> rj, mute this first: IEC958 TT.
[07:46] <dabaSlon> is it muted?
[07:46] <rj-> installing aumix-gtk hang on
[07:46] <dabaSlon> k
[07:48] <rj-> bah - hang on i dont see that channel
[07:48] <rj-> oh i know why -- hang
[07:49] <capi> whats a nice easy FTPserver to install that supports virtual users?
[07:50] <dabaSlon> I dont know, proftpd?
[07:51] <Xgates> whats the name of the package to help make a kernel .deb?
[07:51] <Xgates> sheesh cant remember
[07:51] <Xgates> hmm
[07:51] <Xgates> kpkg?
[07:51] <rj-> how do you mute
[07:51] <rj-> in console using alsamixer?
[07:51] <rj-> htting "m" dosnt do anything
[07:51] <dabaSlon> m, for some, for others, you can not mute
[07:52] <rj-> dabaSlon: i cant mute that channel then
[07:52] <rj-> <IEC958 O
[07:52] <rj-> can be muted
[07:52] <dabaSlon> just a sec.
[07:54] <dabaSlon> mute everything you can, others reduce, except, leave pcm, and the first master unmuted, and leavge the at qabout 50-80 %
[07:54] <dabaSlon> mute everything you can.
[07:54] <dabaSlon> If it has a number, like 00 under the bar, you can mute.
[07:55] <tested1> I installed realtek's r8169 driver and get this error when the module trys to load : r8169: Unknown Symbol pci_dma_sync_single
[07:55] <rj-> ak
[07:55] <dabaSlon> try if that helps, works out it plays still even all the others are muted, and reduced.
[07:56] <dabaSlon> just pcm needs to be on, for mine, anyhow,.
[07:56] <dabaSlon> and master.
[07:57] <Xgates> whats the make-kpkg package name in Ubuntu?
[07:57] <dabaSlon> altho, on mine it works even when all are unmuted, 2...:(
[07:57] <rj-> ok did that
[07:57] <rj-> still does not work --
[07:57] <dabaSlon> nothing, eh?
[07:58] <Xgates> ahh kernel-package
[07:58] <rj-> sound is playing in xmms - just not out my speakers
[07:58] <dabaSlon> sorry, rj, ask crimsun, and yuo tested1, too, ask crimsun when you see he is speaking,
[07:58] <rj-> dabaSlon: send me your /etc/esound.conf and /etc/asound.conf
[07:59] <dabaSlon> I dont happen to have neither.
[07:59] <rj-> :(
[07:59] <dabaSlon> as you specified abnyhow.
[07:59] <rj-> er sorry
[07:59] <rj-> its /etc/esound/esd.conf
[07:59] <rj-> you don't have a /etc/asound.conf?
[07:59] <dabaSlon> http://pastebin.com/284994
[08:00] <dabaSlon> no, I have teh other one, tho.
[08:00] <nekton> i two incredibly stupid questions :( maybe a link would help me.
[08:00] <dabaSlon> go ahead, nekton:)
[08:00] <nekton> i do i tell if i have warty or hoary distro?
[08:00] <nekton> someone gave me a cd and i installed it.
[08:01] <dabaSlon> one way, cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:01] <dabaSlon> you will see one of the words there.
[08:01] <dabaSlon> Another way, do you have A places menu on the top of your screen?
[08:01] <nekton> ha!! warty!
[08:01] <dabaSlon> ok, then you are that.
[08:01] <nekton> ty dabaSlon :)
[08:02] <dabaSlon> you are welcome, nekton/
[08:02] <dabaSlon> better ways to find out are there I am sure, but that is one.
[08:02] <psychonate> Is there a GUI for setting up a printer; if so, what command will bring it up?
[08:02] <dabaSlon> what was the other question?
[08:02] <nekton> #2 stoopid question...i have this alps touchpad and it seems from the forums 2.6.11 kernel gives me support
[08:03] <nekton> how do i get the the 2.6.11 kernel for warty?
[08:03] <Burgundavia> nekton, you don't
[08:03] <dabaSlon> psychonate: Your mouse may work, System, Admin, printing.
[08:03] <toran> hey guys, I need a bit of help setting up a printer, can anyone help me?
[08:03] <nekton> oh. darn.
[08:03] <Burgundavia> nekton, if you want the latest crack, run breezy
[08:03] <dabaSlon> sweet, I dont ahve to answer that one.
[08:03] <psychonate> dabaSlon, I don't have that in my XFCE menu. I assume it's in GNOME's menu or something.
[08:03] <dabaSlon> Burgundavia: hm...a new linux user on breezy??
[08:03] <nekton> Burgundavia, does that mean i should download a new iso and reinstall?
[08:04] <Burgundavia> dabaSlon, they shouldn't
[08:04] <psychonate> There must be a command I can issue to get to the same thing.
[08:04] <Burgundavia> dabaSlon, didn't realize they were new
[08:04] <dabaSlon> psychonate: give me a sec, I guess.
[08:04] <nekton> i'm a noob
[08:04] <Burgundavia> nekton, is there a reason you want 2.6.11?
[08:04] <psychonate> or to get to some admin menu where I can select it
[08:04] <Burgundavia> nekton, if you system works fine, don't mess with it
[08:04] <psychonate> nekton, he has a reason.
[08:04] <nekton> i have an ALPS touchpad on this laptop and it does not seem to work with the warty kernel
[08:04] <psychonate> er
[08:05] <dabaSlon> heh
[08:05] <psychonate> Anyone know what command will bring up the print setup GUI?
[08:05] <nekton> the forums seem to indicate i should be installing linux-source-2.6.10 or 11 ??
[08:06] <dabaSlon> psychonate: gnome-cups-manager .
[08:06] <psychonate> gracias
[08:06] <dabaSlon> yup, works?
[08:06] <psychonate> it came up at least
[08:07] <psychonate> I'll try it in a sec
[08:07] <Burgundavia> nekton, do you need to run 2.6.11?
[08:07] <dabaSlon> ok, well, you can next time you are looking for a gnome app, look in /usr/bin, under g:-p
[08:07] <Burgundavia> nekton, if you are new to linux, I highly recommend that you stay with the default kernel
[08:07] <nekton> Burgundavia, is there another way to get the ALPS touch pad to work?
[08:07] <dabaSlon> Burgundavia: are you reading??? he wants the touchpad...
[08:07] <Burgundavia> nekton, have you tried updating to hoary?
[08:07] <dabaSlon> has not.
[08:07] <Burgundavia> dabaSlon, sorry, scrollback is hell to read
[08:07] <Burgundavia> nekton, try updating to hoary first
[08:08] <dabaSlon> k, thats fine,.
[08:08] <nekton> Burgundavia, that's a reinstall then?
[08:08] <dabaSlon> Nekton, do a sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:08] <dabaSlon> in a terminal
[08:08] <dabaSlon> then, change every warty to a hoary.
[08:08] <nekton> dabaSlon, done.
[08:08] <psychonate> dabaSlon, I didn't realize it would be a gnome app.
[08:08] <dabaSlon> You just installed, right?
[08:08] <psychonate> I forgot how much Ubuntu is centered around gnome heh
[08:08] <Burgundavia> nekton, then open synaptic and hit the three button dance
[08:08] <dabaSlon> k, just cause it is shown in gnome, though.
[08:08] <nekton> dabaSlon, yes.
[08:09] <dabaSlon> nekton: um..paste your product to a http://pastebin.com please.
[08:09] <nekton> uh, three button dance?
[08:09] <dabaSlon> the final save of your sources.list, I mean.
[08:09] <Burgundavia> nekton, reload, mark all, and apply
[08:09] <dabaSlon> haha
[08:09] <dabaSlon> I knew that is whatr you meant as soon as I opened it.
[08:09] <dabaSlon> :)
[08:10] <dabaSlon> gaim was updated.
[08:10] <dabaSlon> nekton: once you paste your sources.list there, tell me the URL.
[08:11] <dabaSlon> jsut to make sure he has no backports, or whatever.
[08:11] <nekton> dabaSlon, ok. just a minute. got lost in all the conversations. lol.
[08:12] <dabaSlon> thats fine.
[08:12] <dabaSlon> you change waerty to hoary, and paste it, and tell me the url.
[08:13] <dabaSlon> thats fun, th three button dance.
[08:14] <nekton> uh, is it http://pastbin.com/284995 ?
[08:14] <nekton> never used pastebin before.
[08:14] <dabaSlon> yup, looks like it.
[08:14] <dabaSlon> Change the warty's to hoary
[08:15] <nekton> in the sources.list?
[08:15] <dabaSlon> yup.
[08:15] <dabaSlon> just the word warty to hoary.
[08:15] <nekton> everywhere in sources.list, yes?
[08:15] <dabaSlon> thats your whole file?
[08:15] <nekton> yes.
[08:15] <dabaSlon> right, wherever you want.
[08:15] <dabaSlon> not in the firs line tho, thats the cd.
[08:15] <nekton> and then?
[08:16] <dabaSlon> then save, and paste to pastebin again. so I can check it,.
[08:16] <dabaSlon> haha
[08:16] <nekton> ok. dabaSlon
[08:16] <dabaSlon> ok.
[08:19] <psychonate> yays, my HP wireless network PSC works :)
[08:19] <nekton> dabaSlon, http://pastebin.com/284996
[08:19] <dabaSlon> yay, psychonate!
[08:19] <dabaSlon> hah
[08:19] <psychonate> lol
[08:19] <dabaSlon> looks great, nekton
[08:19] <psychonate> ok, keep your sarcasm to yourself ;)
[08:20] <nekton> daba
[08:20] <nekton> oops
[08:20] <nekton> lol.
[08:20] <dabaSlon> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:20] <nekton> dabaSlon, ok, then sit back and drink a cold one?
[08:20] <dabaSlon> no, well, yay...then I thought it was funny were yay-ing, so I said hah
[08:20] <dabaSlon> exactamante
[08:20] <dabaSlon> or something,
[08:20] <nekton> ;)
[08:21] <psychonate> I'll just assume you were as excited as I was
[08:21] <dabaSlon> once it is done, it wants to close x, and restart it...
[08:21] <dabaSlon> Yay!
[08:21] <psychonate> DOUBLE YAY!
[08:21] <nekton> pastebin.com is cool. did not know about that.
[08:21] <psychonate> anyways...
[08:21] <dabaSlon> so, you will be gone, nekton, but, we will always be with you in our thoughts...
[08:21] <dabaSlon> bah
[08:21] <dabaSlon> me niehter, I found out here.
[08:21] <dabaSlon> spread firefox...
[08:21] <nekton> haha
[08:21] <psychonate> What do you fellas think is the best word processor for *nix?
[08:22] <dabaSlon> abiword for me.
[08:22] <psychonate> I tried it a while ago; maybe I will try it again
[08:22] <dabaSlon> My needs reqwuire it to load faster than ooo, although I am not really aimpatient.
[08:22] <rebo> hmm newby question. I dont understand all the different  of window managers there are
[08:22] <nekton> sweet....distro upgrade is happening
[08:22] <dabaSlon> And, I dont do a lot of word processing...so..
[08:22] <rebo> is Gnome a window manager or something else too?
[08:22] <dabaSlon> rebo: somewhat.
[08:22] <dabaSlon> It is more/..
[08:22] <tested1> <-- newb this page list patches to r8169.c where do I get them or is it displaying the whole patch?
[08:23] <psychonate> dabaSlon, yeah, I just need it to do some simple stuff
[08:23] <tested1> http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.6/11.7/drivers/net/r8169.c oops page
[08:23] <dabaSlon> try abiword, fastr.
[08:23] <rebo> I want to customize my desktop so it looks as OSX' ified as possible
[08:23] <psychonate> wow, looks pretty nice with my GTK theme
[08:23] <rebo> what would be the best way?
[08:24] <psychonate> I'm glad XFCE incorporated GTK nicely
[08:24] <dabaSlon> thats a c file.
[08:24] <psychonate> dabaSlon, well, it looks like it's using my theme
[08:24] <psychonate> hell, I don't know what I'm talking about
[08:24] <psychonate> but it looks pretty nonetheless
[08:24] <rebo> preferably like this ..  http://www.fortress-forever.com/upload/mydesktop.jpg
[08:25] <dabaSlon> rebo, you can look into what is called the milk theme.
[08:25] <dabaSlon> or some others, at gnome-look.org, or art.gnome.org
[08:25] <rebo> so do i look for metacity themes?
[08:25] <rebo> is that the subject i look under?
[08:26] <dabaSlon> sure
[08:26] <dabaSlon> there is a panther theme.
[08:26] <dabaSlon> not sure how similar you will get it to that page...
[08:26] <rebo> i tried the panther one, but it only seemed to change the title bars, and not say the file icons etc
[08:27] <dabaSlon> psychonate: yeah, I lost you too.
[08:27] <dabaSlon> well, you will need to find one for each of those shiats...
[08:27] <dabaSlon> heh
[08:27] <chocoIate> hi
[08:27] <dabaSlon> tested1: that is hard to figure out, I even had a course in c.
[08:27] <Myrtti> hm, my system has forgotten that it should automount removable drives
[08:27] <Myrtti> wtf.
[08:27] <rebo> theming for linux desktopwindowmanagerwhateverytheyarecalled is confusing :)
[08:27] <Xgates> why is [*]  /dev file system support (OBSOLETE) compiled into the kernels in Ubuntu if Ubuntu is using udev?
[08:27] <Xgates> hmm dont make sense
[08:28] <Xgates> hehe
[08:28] <dabaSlon> rebo: research, each day youll know more.
[08:28] <rebo> yeah
[08:28] <psychonate> I like my desktop, but my screenshots look really dumb because I use twinview, and the monitors are running at different resolutions.
[08:28] <dabaSlon> ah...
[08:28] <rebo> i saw this i really liked ...
[08:28] <rebo> http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/Nuno_Alexandre-1600x1200/screenshot.jpg
[08:28] <Xgates> is there something in Ubuntu using the /dev file system ?
[08:28] <psychonate> so the left side of my screen has a big empty gap at the bottom on my screenshots heh
[08:28] <psychonate> though it looks very nice in reality
[08:28] <rebo> but thats with something called fvwm which i dont really understand what it is
[08:29] <Razor-X> Xgates: nothing does, /dev is just nodes for devices
[08:30] <dabaSlon> not bad, check this one out.
[08:30] <marcusU> Is there an ftp site or something where I can look at the packages that are included in Ubuntu? I can't find anything like that on the website, only iso images.
[08:30] <dabaSlon> ah, f it, I dont feel like looking for desktop pictures...
[08:30] <chocoIate> i installed ubuntu for the first time and i'm having a problem with my hardware. I'm on the link for my mother board manufacturer and it seems they do not have any driver support for linux OS. Heres the link -->> http://www.asrock.com/support/Download/dl_k7s41.htm  ; It does seem to work, just my sound card, well i got no sound, any help higly appreciated :S
[08:31] <dabaSlon> marcusU: what is your goal? seeing which packages are included with ubuntu?
[08:31] <Xgates> Razor-X, ok thanks
[08:31] <marcusU> dabaSlon: Yes
[08:31] <Burgundavia> chocoIate, most mobo manufactuers don't provide downloads
[08:31] <psychonate> marcusU, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[08:31] <rj-> crap -- iwsh my sound card would work
[08:31] <rj-> :(
[08:31] <dabaSlon> chocolate, how come I cant nick complete you?
[08:31] <chocoIate> Burgundavia : i see this now, how can i resolve my sound issues :o
[08:31] <rj-> crimsun_: you there?
[08:31] <Burgundavia> chocoIate, which pieces work? which dont
[08:32] <chocoIate> nick complete :o
[08:32] <psychonate> I wonder if that database includes packages from ALL of Ubuntu's repositories
[08:32] <psychonate> including universe and multiverse
[08:32] <dabaSlon> chocoIate: oh, I can now.
[08:32] <Burgundavia> dabaSlon, choc I not el
[08:32] <rebo> hes got an I in his name dabaSlon
[08:32] <rebo> not l :P
[08:32] <chocoIate> well, my sound card does not work, the sound controls, the nobs and everything seem to be ok, but i got no sound
[08:32] <Burgundavia> chocoIate, you running hoary?
[08:32] <dabaSlon> i..
[08:32] <dabaSlon> hah
[08:33] <dabaSlon> marcusU: let me see what I can get you...
[08:33] <chocoIate> how do i check to see if i got hoary :o
[08:33] <marcusU> The link psychonate pasted seems to work.
[08:33] <chocoIate> i'm a linux noob actually, always used windows :P
[08:33] <dabaSlon> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ marcus
[08:33] <rebo> heh me too chocoIate
[08:33] <rebo> i think hoary is the latest version?
[08:33] <dabaSlon> oh, never saw it...
[08:34] <rebo> System > About in gnome chocoIate
[08:34] <dabaSlon> one way, cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:34] <chocoIate> then maybe thats the one i got. To rub it in i got no broadband coverage in my area and asked a buddy to burn it on cd for me :P
[08:34] <rebo> it comes up with a help thing saying what version you got
[08:34] <rebo> at least for me it does
[08:34] <chocoIate> i could look in the contents of my cd, what should i be looking for :o
[08:35] <marcusU> chocoIate: Same here. :-( It's faster for me to buy a CD than to download it.
[08:35] <chocoIate> right now i'm on windowsxp by the way coz not even my modem works. I was on their site and it seems even they do no provide drivers for linux :S
[08:35] <dabaSlon> one way, cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:35] <Burgundavia> chocoIate, do you have three menus or 2 in the top left?
[08:35] <dabaSlon> ok, then not that, choc.
[08:35] <dabaSlon> he is in windows.
[08:35] <chocoIate> 3 menus
[08:35] <dabaSlon> hoaryu:)
[08:35] <chocoIate> maybe more :P
[08:35] <chocoIate> i saw it really quick :PpP
[08:35] <chocoIate> ahh ok :)
[08:35] <Burgundavia> chocoIate, ok, that is hoary
[08:35] <dabaSlon> wow, a lot of licking action...
[08:36] <Burgundavia> chocoIate, it should just work
[08:36] <chocoIate> it does just work, but i get no sound :S
[08:36] <dabaSlon> well, chocolate, it is hard to figure out why if you are not in ubuntu.
[08:36] <rebo> is there a good file manager program, with like tree view and split display
[08:36] <nekton> dabaSlon, after i upgrade to hoary (its doing that now per your instructions) do i need to do anything else to get this touchpad to work?
[08:36] <rebo> i dont like this default one
[08:37] <dabaSlon> try changing the setting in your normall to open in a browser.
[08:37] <chocoIate> ok, maybe i can fix the modem first -->> http://www.psion.com/mypsion/downloads.asp?Guest=English&product=Gold+Port+ISDN&category=All&os=All&language=&Submit=Search&Keywords=
[08:37] <dabaSlon> edit prefs
[08:37] <chocoIate> thats the drivers for my modem manufacturer
[08:37] <dabaSlon> behavior, alawys open in bvrowser windows.
[08:37] <chocoIate> i dont see one for linux :o
[08:37] <rebo> chocoIate,  are you on ADSL, or 56k
[08:37] <chocoIate> ISDN
[08:37] <rebo> k
[08:37] <chocoIate> i got an internal 56k modem too
[08:37] <marcusU> chocoIate: Oh, I'm on ISDN, too! :-)
[08:38] <chocoIate> :)
[08:38] <dabaSlon> well, chocolate, is that dsl?
[08:38] <dabaSlon> pppoe, like a user name and password?
[08:38] <rebo> dont think so dabaSlon
[08:38] <rebo> its like a digital line, but old technology
[08:38] <dabaSlon> I think so...
[08:38] <chocoIate> nope, ISDN, its a bit faster than 56k modems, runs on digital lines, i can get upto 64k :P
[08:38] <dabaSlon> :)
[08:38] <rebo> yeah:/
[08:38] <Xgates> I dont get why in the Ubuntu kernels they compile in all the schedulers --> Anticipatory I/O, Deadline I/O, CFQ I/O
[08:38] <dabaSlon> is it a user name and password type a thing?
[08:38] <Xgates> all ya need is 1
[08:38] <marcusU> chocoIate: You can't get 2B+D there?
[08:39] <nekton> ISDN could go up to 256, but generally maxes out at 128
[08:39] <lifeless> Xgates: so we can choose ?
[08:39] <chocoIate> you mean 128kbps :o ; i can when i use both my phone lines :P
[08:39] <rebo> isdn is pretty horrible nowadays :((
[08:39] <marcusU> nekton: ISDN can go up to 1.5 megabits per second, actually. If you do 23B+D (PRI).
[08:39] <dabaSlon> whats a double :(( mean?
[08:39] <marcusU> rebo: ISDN is the only thing faster than dialup where some of us live.
[08:40] <chocoIate> it is, i just live a bit far out, remote areas like mine got no broadband coverage, simply put our telecom just wont invest here lol
[08:40] <rebo> extra sad!
[08:40] <nekton> marcusU, ah...ok. not offered here.
[08:40] <dabaSlon> chocolate. is it only possible to connect modem with USB??
[08:40] <marcusU> nekton: ISDN PRI is basically T1.
[08:40] <johnnybezak> hey guys
[08:40] <rebo> maybe you can connect via a router, do they do ISDN routers ?
[08:40] <dabaSlon> chocoIate: answers, answer
[08:41] <dabaSlon> yo johnny
[08:41] <nekton> marcusU, that would be sweet. t1...i need that right now. ;)
[08:41] <dabaSlon> hehe
[08:41] <Xgates> lifeless, hehe no I meant they are ALL compiled into the Ubuntu kernels
[08:41] <Xgates> and you only need 1
[08:41] <marcusU> rebo: Yes, I'm using an ISDN router.
[08:41] <Xgates> man these kernels have so much waste compiled into them
[08:42] <chocoIate> well, actually maybe it detects my internal 56k modem, i just didnt have it plugged in when i tried. I could give it a try and come back, though i'd rather my isdn modem was picked up. I rem having a hard time on windowsxp itself with this retarded ISDN modem. The time i purchased it was the last modem in town(small town) --we had bad weather that time and everybodys modem got burned out lol
[08:42] <Xgates> sucking up extra kernel mem
[08:42] <dabaSlon> Xgates: more reason for you to build them
[08:42] <lifeless> Xgates: I mean - you can choose a scheduler for your workload.
[08:42] <Xgates> yep thats what I'm doing making mine
[08:42] <lifeless> Xgates: so the ubuntu kernel can be used for servers or desktops.
[08:42] <chocoIate> brb
[08:42] <Xgates> lifeless, yes I know
[08:42] <dabaSlon> chocoIate: can it connect via ethernet??
[08:42] <marcusU> chocoIate: Are you using an ISDN terminal adapter card?
[08:42] <Xgates> well I guess giving this is a ONE size fits all I can see the thought here
[08:42] <Xgates> hehe
[08:43] <dabaSlon> Xgates: you wont suceed in the OS world with gates in your nick, lol...
[08:45] <marcusU> chocoIate: You can pick up an ISDN router (for <= $100)
[08:45] <johnnybezak> have you guys seen the ubuntu device database, thats quite a neat little tool
[08:45] <dabaSlon> does the thing ghabe only USB connectors?
[08:46] <dabaSlon> johhny, i saw it, kinda,..
[08:46] <chocoIate> marcusU -->> http://www.neoseeker.com/Hardware/Products/Psion_GP_ISDN/
[08:46] <chocoIate> thats the one i got
[08:47] <marcusU> chocoIate: I got a used ISDN router (ethernet output), also has analog telephone outputs for $100.
[08:47] <Xgates> dabaSlon, hehe yeah well I can see that you don't know me, the OLE Gates goes back to when this server first started long before Freenode :-)
[08:48] <count0nz> l)
[08:48] <chocoIate> where you located marcusU :o
[08:48] <dabaSlon> Xgates: yeah, I dont...hehe, you like that joke, though, eh?
[08:48] <marcusU> Outside of Houston TX. My ISP sold me the ISDN router...
[08:49] <chocoIate> a bit far out for me :P
[08:49] <chocoIate> i'm located in italy :)
[08:49] <marcusU> Yeah. I'm just saying if you're having problems with your current situation...
[08:49] <Xgates> dabaSlon, :-)
[08:49] <chocoIate> oh ok
[08:50] <johnnybezak> dabaSlon: i just gave it a run through on the mac, hopefully if a lot of people run it some improvements with device support can occur
[08:50] <marcusU> chocoIate: That you can buy used ISDN routers that output ethernet for pretty cheap, if you're having hardware problems getting yours to work with Linux.
[08:50] <chocoIate> by the way is there any guide online as to how to setup internet connectivity on ubuntu :o
[08:51] <chocoIate> maybe its all working fine and its just my being a noob and doing things wrongly :S
[08:51] <dabaSlon> What Mac?
[08:51] <Jerub_> chocoIate: what kind of internet connection do you have?
[08:51] <chocoIate> ISDN
[08:51] <dabaSlon> chocolate, we can help you, if you answer...
[08:51] <dabaSlon> does it only connect through USB?
[08:51] <chocoIate> yeah
[08:52] <dabaSlon> ok, and can you call up your ISP and ask if they use ppp, or pppoe, or do you know yourself?
[08:52] <chocoIate> its on USB ports, both my modems, i got an internal 56k thats not on usb and an external ISDN thats on USB
[08:52] <chocoIate> i can check, gimme a minute
[08:52] <dabaSlon> seems it is a ppp one.
[08:53] <dabaSlon> I dont know anything on those.
[08:53] <Xgates> anyone what driver the Nforce2 MCP and ICS 1893 Phy LAN uses?
[08:53] <Xgates> I dont see any thing like these in the  Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit)
[08:54] <marcusU> I doubt that it's going to show up under ethernet.
[08:54] <Xgates> yea thats what I thought, what driver is Nforce using in Ubuntu?
[08:54] <Xgates> I mean are Nforce drivers installed into Ubuntu by default?
[08:54] <dabaSlon> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowtoHoary , http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowto , http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SupportingISDN .
[08:55] <dabaSlon> last one is not really related completely.
[08:55] <dabaSlon> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto as well, chocoIate
[08:55] <chocoIate> ppp
[08:56] <dabaSlon> yup, I figured, thanks. there are some links yuo may want to read.
[08:56] <chocoIate> ok thanks :)
[08:56] <dabaSlon> welcome.
[08:56] <dabaSlon> im off to dreamland, guys.
[08:56] <dabaSlon> night.
[08:57] <nekton> ty dabaSlon :)
[08:57] <chocoIate> good night :P
[08:57] <dabaSlon_slp> night
[08:57] <dabaSlon_slp> yw
[08:57] <phxguy> can someone plz tell me what is in my path?
[08:57] <dabaSlon_slp> hope your pad works:)
[08:57] <dabaSlon_slp> like, um???
[08:57] <dabaSlon_slp> phx??
[08:57] <nekton> i will report back :)
[08:57] <johnnybezak> cat $PATH
[08:57] <dabaSlon_slp> rephrase that.
[08:57] <goldfish> phxguy: echo $PATH
[08:57] <dabaSlon_slp> or, try that.
[08:57] <phxguy> thanks
[08:57] <johnnybezak> lol echo
[08:58] <johnnybezak> rather
[08:58] <phxguy> how do I add something to my Path
[08:58] <dabaSlon_slp> $PATH='$PATH:addme'
[08:59] <marcusU> Minus the initial $
[08:59] <marcusU> PATH='$PATH:addme
[08:59] <harsha> phxguy PATH=$PATH:<new additions>
[08:59] <dabaSlon_slp> or even that.
[08:59] <phxguy> thanks
[08:59] <phxguy> again
[08:59] <harsha> yeah minus the initial $
[08:59] <dabaSlon_slp> harsha: like that nick.
[08:59] <dabaSlon_slp> k, Im sleeping...
[08:59] <dabaSlon_slp> already...
[09:00] <harsha> phxguy: goto /etc/profile
[09:00] <harsha> and make permanent changes if u want to
[09:01] <dabaSlon_slp> even /etc/bash.bashrc
[09:01] <phxguy> kewl thanks
[09:03] <XplOzIon> hi
[09:04] <XplOzIon> can anyone tell me how to install something from source file?
[09:05] <klaus^^^> hello there is any cd burning software
[09:05] <klaus^^^> ?
[09:06] <Ferry> k3b
[09:06] <RudiLinux> Good morning, folks!
[09:06] <klaus^^^> cd burning sofware
[09:06] <klaus^^^> help pls
[09:06] <klaus^^^> cd burning sofware
[09:07] <Ferry> k3b
[09:07] <Jerub_> klaus^^^: k3b or nautilus
[09:07] <RudiLinux> How i can disable configuration of OpenOffice and Firefox for any users? Please, hep.
[09:07] <klaus^^^> wich is best
[09:07] <klaus^^^> ?
[09:07] <RudiLinux> klaus^^^: "cdrecord" is realy very good.
[09:07] <XplOzIon> How to install a software from python source files?
[09:07] <ascobol> hi all
[09:09] <klaus^^^> a gui cd burning sofware
[09:09] <klaus^^^> ?
[09:09] <Jerub_> klaus^^^: nautilus can do simple stuff, k3b is good for complicated things.
[09:10] <RudiLinux> a gui cd burning sofware: xcdroast for Gnome, k3b for KDE.
[09:10] <RudiLinux> How i can disable configuration of OpenOffice and Firefox for any users??
[09:10] <nekton> yeah, i will vouch for k3b with KDE. seems to be easier to use than nero
[09:11] <johnnybezak> guys my ipod is being mounted read only for some reason, anyone know why the hal is doing this
[09:12] <Stereo> johnnybezak: hfs plus?
[09:12] <johnnybezak> Stereo: yeah
[09:12] <Stereo> complaining about device not being unmounted properly?
[09:12] <johnnybezak> Stereo: umm how do you mean
[09:13] <Stereo> when you mount it...
[09:13] <johnnybezak> i don't mount it
[09:13] <johnnybezak> hal does it for me
[09:13] <johnnybezak> or hotplug
[09:13] <johnnybezak> or whatever it is
[09:13] <Stereo> try manually
[09:13] <RudiLinux> How i can disable configuration of OpenOffice and Firefox for any users? Please.
[09:14] <Stereo> RudiLinux: why would you want to do that?
[09:14] <Stereo> a sort of kiosk?
[09:15] <Stereo> there's http://kiosk.mozdev.org/
[09:16] <Stereo> and http://tln.lib.mi.us/~amutch/pro/phoenix/kiosk.htm
[09:16] <RudiLinux> Stereo: I have user group for "internet terminal" only, and i must always reconfiguring OpenOffice.
[09:16] <Stereo> not sure about openoffice. Search the web.
[09:17] <RudiLinux> Stereo: I searching, and nothing. ;-(
[09:17] <Xgates> say been awhile since I used make-kpkg for the kernel, HOW exactly do you write this:
[09:17] <Xgates> ---> make-kpkg --initrd --stem linux --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image
[09:17] <Xgates> whats with the --stem linux?
[09:17] <Xgates> cant say I've seen that one before?
[09:17] <Xgates> hmm
[09:17] <g14> RudiLinux: Use standard unix permissions and make the openoffile and mozilla profile folders readonly
[09:18] <RudiLinux> RudiLinux: I try now.
[09:19] <Xgates> anyone compiled their kernel and used 'make-kpkg'?
[09:20] <Xgates> I can't remember how I typed the command for 2.6.10
[09:22] <johnnybezak> Stereo: i don't know how to make it not mount automatically
[09:23] <johnnybezak> besides hal is sexy, there just doesn't appear to be anyway to configure it
[09:24] <RudiLinux> g14: Ok. #chmod -R a-w .openoffice, works perfectly. And i now try firefox.
[09:24] <g14> RudiLinux: The same for .mozilla I believe
[09:24] <Razor-X> hey
[09:25] <Dethread> hoi
[09:25] <Xgates> anyone?
[09:25] <Xgates> darn I wish I had those notes I made
[09:25] <Xgates> errr
[09:25] <g14> RudiLinux: You might want to do something like chown those 2 directories to a different user so that they can't do a chmod themselves
[09:26] <Xgates> who knows how to run --->  make-kpkg with the commands?
[09:26] <g14> RudiLinux: Like chown -R RudiLinux:username .mozilla
[09:26] <Jerub_> Xgates: do you know how to use 'man' ?
[09:26] <g14> RudiLinux: Keep the files in their group though so they have access
[09:27] <Dethread> Xgates, to compile a kernel?
[09:27] <Xgates> Jerub_, yes but I dont know what man its under
[09:27] <TV_Dunce> where can i find 'kernel headers' for hoary 5.04 a64 ?
[09:27] <TV_Dunce> apt get cannot find them
[09:27] <Xgates> Dethread, yes I complied it and I forgot what command  options I ran before for 'make-kpkg'
[09:27] <misieq> hi there!
[09:28] <Jerub_> Xgates: man make-kpkg ?
[09:28] <misieq> i'd like to install metabar for konqueror, but after i ./configure it it gives following error:
[09:28] <misieq> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[09:28] <Xgates> err forget that
[09:28] <Xgates> hehe
[09:28] <misieq> what should i do to fix it?
[09:28] <TV_Dunce> where are the kernel headers in ubuntu ?
[09:29] <TV_Dunce> i try to install an ivtv driver, but i need kernel headers
[09:29] <misieq> erm... does it mean i don't have some X-devel package??
[09:29] <Xgates> but did I say I HATE man
[09:29] <Xgates> lol
[09:29] <Xgates> over 5 years in Linux and I still cant stand them
[09:29] <TV_Dunce> ?
[09:30] <TV_Dunce> anyone know about kernel headers ?
[09:30] <RudiLinux> g14: Exelently, thanks! chmod a-w prefs.js bookmarks.html ;-) Thanks!
[09:30] <misieq> TV_Dunce, try finding them
[09:30] <synd> where do i add apps to automatically run when loading into gnome?
[09:31] <TV_Dunce> i've been trying to find them
[09:31] <misieq> "find / | grep linux" or something...
[09:31] <TV_Dunce> but i don't know where to look
[09:31] <misieq> read the manual of find and look for searching for directories
[09:32] <synd> where do i add apps to automatically run when loading into gnome?
[09:32] <TV_Dunce> but, i don't know the name of what i'm looking for
[09:32] <IIIEars> SYND - I AM VERY NEW TO THIS SO I HOPE SOMEONE CORRECTS ME IF it's wrong - your personal directory as a .fileneame
[09:32] <misieq> try giving "find / -name '*linux*' " as root
[09:32] <TV_Dunce> i found a million 'linux' hits
[09:32] <misieq> TV_Dunce, directory should be named linux-(version)
[09:32] <synd> IIIEars, ?
[09:33] <ivoks> ptlo :)
[09:33] <ptlo> ivoks heya!
[09:33] <ptlo> wassup? :)
[09:33] <IIIEars> synd - i added torsmo system monitor to my directory above /home and below desktop and marked it executable
[09:33] <ivoks> a evo, pakiram neke pakete :)
[09:34] <Xgates> see make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image makes it by default as 10.00.Custom_ --> kernel-image-2.6.10_10.00.Custom_i386.deb
[09:34] <IIIEars> .torsmo and dropped the config files inside - that will start torsmo when only i log in
[09:34] <Xgates> and I'd like to just have it as --> kernel-image-2.6.10_1_i386.deb
[09:34] <ivoks> Xgates make-kpkg --stem linux --revision=i+dont+line+custom+revisions
[09:34] <Xgates> or something like that as dash -1.i386
[09:35] <Xgates> ivoks, whats the --stem linux command?
[09:35] <misieq> TV_Dunce, didi you find them?
[09:35] <IIIEars> there is an rc.d something init that will start it for any user. - haven't edited that yet sorry.
[09:35] <Xgates> I never ran that one before
[09:35] <synd> IIIEars, see im trying to get GkrellM sys monitor to load up when i log in as well.
[09:35] <misieq> i think thay are in /usr/include/linux
[09:35] <ivoks> Xgates it changes that kernel-image to linux-image, chechout man make-kpkg
[09:35] <ivoks> lot of typos :))
[09:35] <IIIEars> i think you can add it to your home directory .gkrellum
[09:35] <synd> isnt there a command that does this for you?
[09:35] <Xgates> ivoks, yeah looking
[09:35] <Xgates> hmm
[09:36] <synd> IIIEars, how do you add it, just copy and paste it?
[09:36] <IIIEars> yes
[09:36] <rj-> ok - also is configured correctly -- it's just no matter what i do i dont have sound coming out my speakers -- its like it thinks something is muted.
[09:36] <IIIEars> I wish i could be more help i have only done torsmo
[09:36] <rj-> grr.
[09:36] <Xgates> ivoks, so give me a real example who would you actually write --> --revision=?
[09:37] <rj-> audio is playing in xmms -- i can't hear it
[09:37] <Xgates> for like  kernel-image-2.6.10_1_i386.deb
[09:37] <rj-> :(
[09:37] <Xgates> rj-, alsamixer maybe
[09:37] <liable> rj-: 2.6.11 kernel?
[09:37] <ivoks> Xgates i did my first package: make-kpkg --stem linux --revision=ivoks1 kernel_image modules_image
[09:37] <rj-> Xgates: already tried -- belive me.
[09:37] <rj-> liable: no 2.6.10-5
[09:38] <liable> hmmph
[09:38] <Xgates> ivoks, ok sorry so how would I write that for --->  kernel-image-2.6.10_1_i386.deb
[09:38] <ivoks> Xgates later on, you just do make-kpkg --stem linux kernel_image modules_image , make-kpkg changes 1 to 2 withc automagic :)
[09:38] <ivoks> Xgates make-kpkg --stem linux --revision=1
[09:38] <Xgates> k
[09:39] <liable> rj-: yah, alsa mixer, mute unneeded channels, and see how you go.
[09:39] <rj-> liable: i've unmuted everyone channel -- i still hear nothing
[09:39] <rj-> liable: i just compiled alsa from source also.
[09:39] <rj-> liable: it's broke :(
[09:39] <Xgates> ivoks, ok thanks
[09:40] <liable> rj-: I said mute, not unmute, every thing but pci and cd and master
[09:40] <liable> rj-: why did you compile alsa?
[09:40] <rj-> uh -- ok -- i think someone else suggested that to me earler
[09:40] <rj-> liable: because -- i'am trying to fix my audio?
[09:41] <liable> rj-: I had probs with 2.6.11, that muting a couple of channels fixed
[09:41] <liable> rj-: works on earlier kernels, or never worked?
[09:41] <rj-> liable: never worked -- this is a new install.
[09:41] <Xgates> ivoks, hmm I ran it as -->  make-kpkg --initrd --stem linux --revision=1
[09:41] <IIIEars> desktop links to my favorite apps always ask "view" or "run" - can i make them "run" everytime and skip the question box?
[09:42] <liable> rj-: you've obviously done alsaconf and alsactl store?
[09:42] <Xgates> ivoks, then I got this: --> I note that you are using the --revision flag with the value 1, However, the ./debian/changelog file exists, and has a different value 10.00.Custom.
[09:42] <Xgates> and it stopped
[09:42] <Xgates> hmm
[09:42] <ivoks> Xgates ofcourse
[09:42] <ivoks> Xgates delete debian/changelog
[09:42] <Xgates> ok thanks
[09:43] <ivoks> Xgates next time, do just make-kpkg --stem linux
[09:43] <synd> g14, you alive?
[09:43] <ivoks> Xgates it will add number by itself...
[09:43] <Xgates> CRAP
[09:43] <Xgates> now what
[09:43] <Xgates> hehe
[09:43] <Xgates> ---> make: Nothing to be done for `all'.
[09:43] <Xgates> hmm isnt making it
[09:43] <Xgates> errr
[09:44] <Xgates> I ran this --> make-kpkg --initrd --stem linux --revision=1
[09:44] <ivoks> Xgates erase whole debian dir
[09:44] <Xgates> k
[09:44] <Xgates> ivoks, nope same -->  make: Nothing to be done for `all'.
[09:44] <Xgates> darn
[09:45] <ivoks> of course nothing to be done for all
[09:45] <ivoks> you allready compiled ur package
[09:45] <ivoks> check out ../
[09:45] <ivoks> is there linux-image?
[09:45] <Xgates> ivoks, so what you cant go back and recompile it over into a kernel .deb?
[09:45] <JairunCaloth> does anyone use directex for wine?
[09:46] <nakee> I'm trying to translate ubuntu to hebrew, and I started with gnome and I wonder if there are things which are different between what in ubuntu and what is in gnome 2.10
[09:46] <Burgundavia> nakee, you might want to chat in #rosetta
[09:46] <ivoks> Xgates what would happend if you would build allready builded source?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> nakee, that is for the online translation tool rosetta
[09:46] <ivoks> Xgates it would tell you that source is allready build and nothing to do for make all
[09:47] <ivoks> Xgates same thing with kernel
[09:47] <ivoks> Xgates it won't compile new kernel if there aren't any changes, but make-kpkg will create package you requested
[09:47] <TV_Dunce> misieq  --- i did not find kernel headers
[09:48] <IIIEars> nakee - that sounds cool - unlike that other redmond washington OS - we each can pitch in and improve ubuntu
[09:48] <klaus^^^> vum trimit unmesaj
[09:48] <klaus^^^> how do i send a messege to an user that si connected to my box
[09:48] <klaus^^^> ?
[09:49] <klaus^^^> hello
[09:49] <IIIEars> Hello
[09:49] <thefly> hello
[09:49] <klaus^^^> how do i send a message to an user
[09:49] <klaus^^^> that is connected on my box
[09:49] <klaus^^^> ?
[09:49] <TV_Dunce> all i want to do is install an ivtv driver
[09:49] <RudiLinux> And how i can disable: 1) preferences for "Keyboard indicator" applet in gnome, and 2) Nautilus preferences? I try gconf, and nothing. ??
[09:50] <TV_Dunce> seems impossible without kernel headers
[09:50] <klaus^^^> hello
[09:50] <RudiLinux> RudiLinux: And 3) preferences for Window List Gnome applet.
[09:50] <Xgates> ivoks, yeah I get all that, but it didn't make the package either, oh well I'll try it over, will only take 5 mins to recompile the kernel over
[09:50] <klaus^^^> how do i send a mesahe to someone
[09:50] <Xgates> hehe
[09:50] <klaus^^^> user is conected on my box
[09:51] <IIIEars> wow - a lot of questions - and no one has any answers :(
[09:51] <Xgates> ivoks, thanks for the help
[09:51] <klaus^^^> how do i send a messege to an user that si connected to my box
[09:52] <klaus^^^> how do i send a messege to an user that si connected to my box
[09:52] <rixth> With MythTV, it uses MySQL as a backend, if I already have a MySQl server on my computer, how can I install it? (from apt)
[09:52] <TV_Dunce> l8rz
[09:52] <rixth> It forces me to install mysql-server
[09:52] <IIIEars> GL
[09:53] <IIIEars> rixth - i would love to hear the answer to your question also.
[09:54] <rixth> Yeah. I'm gonna try and install mythtv-database and see what happend.
[09:55] <IIIEars> I have been eyeing the new HDTV cards
[09:56] <IIIEars> the time to watch a program is when you are ready - not when the network airs it.
[09:56] <liable> heh, beat me to it :)
[09:57] <rixth> I've got a Plextro ConvertX, it's really good
[09:57] <liable> doh, wrong window
[09:57] <Xgates> ivoks, one last thing I thought after running  make-kpkg it's going to dump the kernel .deb into /usr/src
[09:57] <IIIEars> going to check it out...
[09:57] <rixth> Plus it has native, GPL, drivers!
[09:57] <Xgates> hmm darn there is nothing there now
[09:57] <Xgates> crap I ran it like this --> make-kpkg --initrd --stem linux --revision=1
[09:57] <IIIEars> No? really? - thats gre-eat!
[09:57] <klaus^^^> hello
[09:57] <rixth> http://plextor.com/english/products/TV402U.htm
[09:57] <Xgates> ivoks, why didnt it put the .deb into /usr/src
[09:57] <Xgates> hmmm
[09:58] <klaus^^^> how do i send a mesage to an user that is on my box
[09:58] <rixth> http://www.plextor.be/products/px-tv402u.asp?choice=ConvertX%20PVR%20PX-TV402U << That's a better one
[09:58] <ivoks> Xgates it should
[09:58] <Xgates> ivoks, nope nothing there
[09:58] <Xgates> root@ubuntu:/usr/src# ls
[09:58] <Xgates> 2.6.10  alsa-driver.tar.bz2  linux  linux-source-2.6.10  linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2  rpm
[09:58] <klaus^^^> how do i send a mesage to an user
[09:59] <Xgates> crap
[09:59] <ivoks> Xgates it puts it in uper directory
[09:59] <Xgates> whats going on
[09:59] <klaus^^^> that is connected on my box
[09:59] <liable> Xgates: what about the kernel_image bit
[09:59] <Xgates> ivoks, upper?
[09:59] <Xgates> thats usr/src
[09:59] <liable> klaus^^^: maybe no one knows, ask in an hour
[09:59] <IIIEars> rixth -MPEG4 also!
[09:59] <ivoks> Xgates make-kpkg --stem linux --revision=1 kernel_image modules_image
[09:59] <ivoks> it works, 256%
[10:00] <rixth> Yep! I'm currently trying to get it working under Linux, no such luck as yet :(
[10:00] <Xgates> I dont need the  modules_image
[10:00] <ivoks> ok, then don't put it
[10:00] <Xgates> this should work --->make-kpkg --initrd --stem linux --revision=1
[10:00] <Xgates> and it didnt
[10:00] <ivoks> Xgates kernel_image?
[10:00] <Xgates> there is no .deb in /usr/src
[10:00] <liable> Xgates: no, you need kernel_image too
[10:00] <ivoks> Xgates make-kpkg --stem linux --revision=1 kernel_image
[10:01] <Xgates> oh crap I forgot that
[10:01] <Xgates> LOL
[10:01] <Xgates> sheesh
[10:02] <Xgates> linux-image-2.6.10_1_i386.deb
[10:02] <Xgates> WoOT
[10:02] <liable> hehe, kernel_image does wonders for making....... kernel images :)
[10:02] <Xgates> about friggin time
[10:02] <Xgates> hehe
[10:03] <Xgates> brb
[10:05] <ivoks> bye all
[10:05] <IIIEars> gl
[10:06] <mustardfishfrenz> GAAAH
[10:06] <JairunCaloth> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[10:07] <mustardfishfrenz> oh, i installed KDE manually on ubuntu... so technically i have ubuntu with kde... should i still be in here because i have ubuntu, or should i be in the kubuntu channel?
[10:07] <mustardfishfrenz> even though i don't have kubuntu
[10:07] <JairunCaloth> why do I get this error, when gcc is in the $PATH variable?
[10:07] <JairunCaloth> the program even looks for gcc
[10:07] <liable> JairunCaloth: install build-essential
[10:08] <kev0r> how do i change time in commandline?
[10:08] <JairunCaloth> what is build-essential?
[10:09] <goldfish> JairunCaloth: installs what you need form compliling basic stuff from source.
[10:09] <liable> kev0r: look at ntp-simple
[10:09] <JairunCaloth> I see, for some reason I thoguht that was already set up
[10:10] <JairunCaloth> fixed it, thanks :)
[10:10] <windo[W] -[M] aker> W00 my turn
[10:10] <windo[W] -[M] aker> i need help
[10:11] <goldfish> wassup ?
[10:11] <tga> don't we all
[10:11] <kev0r> :o
[10:11] <IIIEars> do you know of a good IDE for linux?
[10:11] <tga> IIIEars: for what language?
[10:11] <windo[W] -[M] aker> first question... i have KDE manually installed on my ubuntu... so even though i don't have kubuntu, but i have KDE... should i be in this channel or the kubuntu channel?
[10:12] <IIIEars> C, C++
[10:12] <tga> IIIEars: Eclipse, KDevelop
[10:12] <IIIEars> Great. - Thanks
[10:13] <tga> IIIEars: I'm sure there are more out there.. Anjuta maybe
[10:13] <windo[W] -[M] aker>  heelpssss mee!
[10:13] <rixth> http://spectrumenterprises.org/sql Could anyone advise how I could fix that?
[10:13] <tga> windo[W] -[M] aker: it's still ubuntu so I guess you're fine
[10:14] <tga> rixth: did you just install mysql or did you mess with it?
[10:14] <tga> rixth: maybe it's right.. did you check the file permissions?
[10:14] <IIIEars> tga - going to need a "FORTRAN" to C++ translator also - i really suck
[10:14] <liable> windo[W] -[M] aker: just ask, whats the problem
[10:14] <windo[W] -[M] aker> tga: i got rid of gnome a few minutes ago... and then cedega stopped working, so then i re-installed gnome and it didn't work... so then i re-installed cedega and it still won't work... any ideas?
[10:14] <IIIEars> lol
[10:15] <tga> windo[W] -[M] aker: I'm afraid I don't know anything about cedega
[10:15] <windo[W] -[M] aker> liable: i got rid of gnome a few minutes ago... and then cedega stopped working, so then i re-installed gnome and it didn't work... so then i re-installed cedega and it still won't work... any ideas?
[10:15] <tga> windo[W] -[M] aker: you just said that
[10:15] <windo[W] -[M] aker> shhh little child!!!
[10:15] <rixth> Okay. I had my own compiled version (installed in /mysql) it worked FINE. I had to install mysql-server when installing MythTV so first, I stopped MY MySQL server, apt-get install mythtv, I removed the mysql from /etc/init.d so it wouldn't start at boot. I restarted my computer and when I went to start mysqld_safe I got that
[10:15] <liable> windo[W] -[M] aker: yah, I dont know about it either, sorry
[10:16] <windo[W] -[M] aker> dayemn1!!
[10:16] <windo[W] -[M] aker> i'll see the kubuntu channel then lol
[10:16] <rixth> windo[W] -[M] aker, we don't take kind to your type.
[10:16] <rixth> !lol
[10:16] <windo[W] -[M] aker> the window-makers union?
[10:16] <windo[W] -[M] aker> it's not my fault i got stuck to this job
[10:16] <tga> rixth: sounds like the mysql daemon doesn't have writing rights on its files.. mysql-server probably changed the file ownership
[10:17] <windo[W] -[M] aker> i just like to advertise that i am one though... another window-maker told me that the chicks dig it when you make large glass panels
[10:17] <Seveas> gooooooooooooooooooooooooooood(morning|afternoon|evening|night) #ubuntu!
[10:17] <windo[W] -[M] aker> oh... i see...
[10:17] <tga> rixth: mysql-server runs as the "mysql" user, so everything in /var/lib/mysql/ gets chowned to mysql:mysql.. it's probably a good idea to make your compiled mysql use a different dir for its files
[10:17] <windo[W] -[M] aker> WINDOWS makers are the ones you should'nt like
[10:18] <Seveas> :)
[10:19] <rixth> chown mysql:mysql -R /mysql/var fized it.
[10:19] <rixth> Thanks
[10:19] <precious> hello guys
[10:19] <precious> could you, please, tell me what is the default root password after installatioN?
[10:19] <precious> i never got the change to set it
[10:19] <ivoks> there is no root pass
[10:19] <tga> precious: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:19] <precious> oh
[10:20] <precious> thanks
[10:20] <Seveas> there is no spoon either ;)
[10:20] <annet_18> hi!
[10:20] <Seveas> hi
[10:20] <precious> Seveas :D
[10:21] <Xgates> ok kernel booting nice and all but ONE thing --> *ror Temporary failure in name resolution"
[10:21] <ivoks> Xgates that's ok
[10:21] <Xgates> what one thing in the kernel am I missing that is causing that message at boot up
[10:21] <Xgates> hmm
[10:21] <Seveas> Xgates, so, your network comes up too late or not, big deal :)
[10:21] <annet_18> all the people speaks english?
[10:21] <ivoks> Xgates that's ntpdate compalining that he can't set up ur clock
[10:21] <Xgates> it only does that in the kernel I compiled not any of the default Ubuntu kernels
[10:22] <Seveas> annet_18, yes, there are channels for other langauges too. And if those channels are quiet, you could try another language in here
[10:22] <Xgates> seems like there is a kernel option that it likes to help it along
[10:22] <Seveas> Xgates, it's nothing kernel related...
[10:22] <ivoks> Xgates nope
[10:23] <Xgates> hmm odd that it only happens in kernels I compile
[10:23] <Xgates> hehe
[10:23] <Seveas> Xgates, you forgot to compile in your network drivers maybe
[10:23] <tga> annet_18: #ubuntu-es I assume
[10:23] <annet_18> oks, i'm spanish and its so dificult understand all words you say
[10:23] <liable> Xgates: and the moral of the story is ...
[10:23] <Seveas> because this error only means that networking is not (yet) working
[10:23] <kevin06> Question about Rythmbox/Sound Juicer. Is there any way to rip songs from EnhancedCDs with those programs?
[10:23] <tga> I get the ror thing too, it's just a timing thing
[10:23] <Seveas> annet_18, va en #ubuntu-es por espanol
[10:24] <Xgates> well thing is if I dont use ntpdate then the time just runs from the bios clock correct?
[10:24] <Seveas> yes
[10:24] <annet_18> sisi
[10:24] <Xgates> personally on a home box I dont have any need for ntpdate
[10:24] <IIIEars> annet_18 - #ubuntu-es is quiet isn't it.
[10:24] <annet_18> ok thanks
[10:24] <Xgates> whats the pros cons of ntpdate?
[10:24] <tga> are there cons to ntpdate?
[10:25] <goldfish> it sometimes takes ages at bootup
[10:25] <IIIEars> come back here if you can't get help
[10:25] <liable> kevin06: whats an enhanced cd?
[10:26] <kevin06> liable, It has video content on it.
[10:26] <annet_18> bye!
[10:26] <IIIEars> adios
[10:26] <annet_18> adeu!!
[10:26] <annet_18> :)
[10:26] <kevin06> liable, Sound Juicer doesn't recognize it is an Audio CD.
[10:26] <Xgates> tga, well the bios clock has been working just fine for me for the past 5 years, on a home box, so for that reason I cant see using ntpdate, since this is a standalone home machine, NOW servers thats something else  :-)
[10:26] <liable> kevin06: play it in mplayer?
[10:27] <tga> Xgates: that only means you don't need it, not that there's anything wrong with it
[10:27] <Xgates> tga, yeah thats what I meant
[10:27] <Xgates> :-)
[10:27] <ivoks> Xgates talks too much
[10:27] <IIIEars> su puede volver aqui que es no ayuda alla (lol - i don't speak spanish can you tell?)
[10:27] <liable> kevin06: look at grip, to rip the audio
[10:27] <ivoks> bye guys and girls
[10:27] <goofrider> yawnz
[10:27] <ivoks> and Xgates :)
[10:27] <tga> there are (gasp) girls in here?
[10:27] <Xgates> ivoks, OH I LOVE you 2
[10:27] <Xgates> lol
[10:27] <ivoks> tga yes... Xgates :)
[10:28] <goofrider> get a room
[10:28] <kevin06> liable, I was using grip before. It had issues with my hardware setup, and couldn't communicate with my drive.
[10:29] <liable> kevin06: dunno, I havent actually done much ripping lately, good site for it though is doom9.org, although little linux stuff there
[10:29] <bdmp> I have kaffeine in my comp from my apt-get kubuntu-desktop install.  Will running that in Gnome mess anything up?
[10:29] <kevin06> liable, Alright, thanks.
[10:29] <tga> bdmp: no
[10:29] <bdmp> thanks
[10:29] <bdmp> How can I make an icon for it?
[10:30] <bdmp> the only way I can run it now is from the command line
[10:30] <tga> beats me, I don't use gnome
[10:30] <bdmp> oh
[10:30] <bdmp> what do you use?
[10:30] <tga> ion :P
[10:31] <bdmp> how would I install that apt-get ion?
[10:31] <tga> you can create an icon on the panel by just right-clicking and choosing the right options
[10:31] <tga> you probably don't want ion, it has no icons :)
[10:31] <bdmp> but kaffeine is not listed in the programs list
[10:31] <bdmp> it is on the kde side
[10:31] <tga> I'm sure there's a menu editor somewhere
[10:32] <bdmp> oh
[10:32] <tga> I'm sure someone else is able to point you in the right direction
[10:32] <bdmp> I got one. Im new to this so...
[10:32] <tga> then just add it manually
[10:32] <bdmp> how do I do that?
[10:33] <bdmp> oh i see
[10:33] <bdmp> sorry
[10:33] <bdmp> thanks alot tga
[10:33] <tga> bdmp: np, sorry I can't be more precise
[10:34] <bdmp> i know how to do it now though. so its good
[10:34] <tga> enjoy
[10:42] <Nabiki> Is there anywhere that I can download a decent chunk of the software repository to a CD or DVD? :-)
[10:42] <Burgundavia> Nabiki, there are dvd images, but I don't know where, sorry
[10:42] <tga> Nabiki: you can also just go to the ftp you're using and download the packages
[10:43] <Nabiki> In order to use those with Synaptic, would any special preparation be needed?
[10:44] <tga> Nabiki: you need to keep the directory structure and add a source to apt/synaptic specifying where you saved them
[10:44] <tga> Nabiki: just look at your current source and then at that ftp, you'll see where everything goes
[10:45] <tga> Nabiki: it's probably easier to just download the cd images
[10:45] <Nabiki> So basicaly, download the lot of it, keep the package file in tact, and treat it as the root of the tree? :P
[10:45] <Nabiki> With apt at one point, I was able to just dump a bunch of the files in it's cache directory, and let it cope. :P
[10:47] <tga> Nabiki: you can basically have your own local mirror
[10:47] <tga> Nabiki: stick it in the apt sources and what it won't find in it it will look in the real mirror
[10:47] <Nabiki> How large is the average mirror?
[10:48] <tga> large, I don't know exactly
[10:48] <tga> it's not worth it unless you have multiple machines or something
[10:48] <yahalom> no way i can get ubuntu to work on a pentium 1?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> yahalom, as a firewall maybe
[10:48] <yahalom> Burgundavia: lol
[10:48] <yahalom> Burgundavia: i need it as a desktop
[10:48] <tga> sure, just use the "server" install
[10:49] <Burgundavia> you can try
[10:49] <tga> and use a lightweight window manger, like openbox or something
[10:49] <mypapit> `/exec uname -a`
[10:49] <tga> mypapit: Bad command or file name
[10:49] <IIIEars> yahalom - "puppylinux" - is idling on my machine @ 80mbs of ram
[10:49] <Nabiki> yahalom:  Hmmm... The desktop is the main part that uses resources.  The rest can run on a toaster oven. :P  Try using the low end video settings and a large swap partition :)
[10:49] <yahalom> Nabiki: thanx :)
[10:49] <IIIEars> nvm - ubuntu is using 80 megs of ram - puppylinux will do what you want
[10:50] <tga> ..and don't use gnome (or kde)
[10:50] <yahalom> IIIEars: i'm looking into damn small linux
[10:50] <IIIEars> damn small linux is very good also
[10:50] <yahalom> IIIEars: whats puppy linux like?
[10:50] <tga> not much difference, I run debian on all old machines, p166, sparcstations.. it works great
[10:50] <yahalom> IIIEars: i  need it in hebrew though
[10:50] <Nabiki> KDE And Gnome LIKE resources. :) hehe
[10:50] <yahalom> Nabiki: apparently xfce too
[10:51] <mypapit> tga, lol
[10:51] <Nabiki> Use winmaker if you have too. :)
[10:51] <Seveas> yahalom, for old machine, use one of the *boxes (fluxbox, openbox)
[10:51] <Seveas> or even twm :)
[10:51] <ircbot_> i prefer blackbox
[10:51] <Nabiki> twm is better than winmaker. :P
[10:51] <ircbot_> myself...
[10:51] <Nabiki> Only a little, but still. ^^;;
[10:51] <tga> I had windowmaker going on a 75MHz sparcstation (8-bit graphics) and it was alright
[10:52] <IIIEars> yahalom - i was looking apps that will translate IRC? have you seen any?
[10:52] <Nabiki> fugly as hell, but it works. :)
[10:52] <mypapit> yahalom, my personal experience, old celeron mendocinno 64mb @ 333mhz runs fine with icewm/fluxbox
[10:52] <yahalom> Seveas: thats why i chose dsl, i just need hebrew support on it
[10:52] <tga> IIIEars: heh, current apps barely translate normal text.. good luck with irc
[10:52] <yahalom> IIIEars: into what language?
[10:52] <IIIEars> spanish
[10:53] <yahalom> mypapit: icewm/fluxbox and ubuntu?
[10:53] <tga> I doubt you'll understand anything
[10:53] <yahalom> IIIEars: no idea. u can type in spanish right?
[10:53] <mypapit> yahalom, i compile icewm from sources
[10:53] <mypapit> specially for that machine, the gnome sucking to much ram.. lol
[10:54] <IIIEars> I was just curious - maybe linked to an irc bot
[10:54] <iface> #ubuntu.de
[10:54] <Nabiki> BUT... If you have at least 512mb ram... gnome is not so bad. hehehe :)
[10:54] <tga> yahalom de 01:52 - miraba los apps que traducirn el IRC?
[10:54] <yahalom> mypapit: if its just the gui then i wish i knew how to get ubuntu on without the gnome, and then add fluxbox
[10:54] <tga> yahalom: as I said, do a "server" install
[10:54] <yahalom> tga: ok so typing works.
[10:55] <yahalom> tga: they have no internet
[10:55] <yahalom> tga: very linux unfriendly environment :)
[10:55] <Nabiki> apparently a full mirror is 75GB,but that includes the three main architectures. hehe
[10:55] <tga> yahalom: if you don't want gnome go with the server option when you start the installer, no need for internet or anything
[10:56] <yahalom> tga: how would i do that?
[10:56] <ircbot_> anyone have any good tips on getting hibernating to work right on a lappy?
[10:56] <tga> yahalom: when you boot from the cd you get an option screen.. there's a mention in there about 'server' installs
[10:56] <mypapit> yahalom, do a minimal server installation, you got just what you need, no gnome, you still can connect to internet though
[10:56] <IIIEars> it is included as an optional choice on your ubuntu disk
[10:56] <tga> yahalom: basically you type 'server' or 'boot server' or something like that
[10:57] <ircbot_> because my system starts to roast if i leave it on and it doesn't hibernate
[10:57] <mypapit> yahalom, from there, you can apt-get whatever package you want..
[10:57] <mypapit> lol
[10:57] <yahalom> mypapit: i need pppoeconf
[10:57] <ekCo> hmmph, when settup up a 32 bit chroot, what are the 64bit locales?
[10:58] <Nabiki> Is there a way to uninstall grub from the master boot record? :)
[10:58] <ekCo> when you need to dpkg-reconfigure locales
[10:58] <liable> ircbot_: supend2 work good for me, but its a patch and compile
[10:58] <tga> ircbot_: one choice is http://www.suspend2.net/
[10:58] <mypapit> Nabiki, if you have one of the  notorius Windows operating system, you can do "fdisk /mbr" command from one of their boot disk
[10:58] <tga> heh.. what about suspend to ram? my lappy suspends, but never comes out of it
[10:59] <mypapit> Nabiki, not recommended method, but works for me though..
[10:59] <tga> Nabiki: technically you can't uninstall grub but you can overwrite it
[10:59] <liable> tga: how do you suspend it, and graphics cards seem to be a prob with resume
[10:59] <Nabiki> mypapit:  Only problem is that I have XP and lost the disk (got stolen)   And a rollback canceled the install of the recovery console....
[10:59] <tga> liable: echo mem > /sys/power/state
[11:00] <IIIEars> Nabiki - there probably is a bettr way to do this but, i use the "dd" command dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/YOUR_DRIVE   (please google this for settings to match what you want to do.)
[11:00] <liable> tga: hmm, theres a diff way, one sec
[11:00] <tga> liable: it goes under, but when I start it back up the fan is at full speed and I don't get the system up.. video or anything
[11:00] <Nabiki> And recently a fat32 partition on the disk that /root is on went to hell....  If it was a software issue, all is good.. Ifit was hardware, then I need to get that drive outa the boot loop before it dies for real.
[11:00] <mypapit> IIIEars, ooh.. that's way too dangerous... Nabiki could end up erasing his entire harddisk with zero bytes...
[11:01] <IIIEars> YES BE VERY CAREFUL!
[11:01] <ircbot_> okay decisions decisions... hitchhikers guide or do androids dream of electric sheep
[11:01] <tga> guid to electric sheep
[11:01] <tga> guide rather
[11:01] <Nabiki> If I could get a copy of WinXP Home SP 2, for like 6 minutes, I could have it all fixed. :P But all anyone has are those damned recovery disks. Hehehehehe
[11:01] <IIIEars> lol - after 3 weeks i know just enough to be dangerous
[11:01] <tga> Nabiki: what are you trying to do?
[11:02] <Nabiki> rewrite the MBR...
[11:02] <tga> Nabiki: why?
[11:02] <ircbot_> eh well ima go lay down with one of those two books
[11:02] <IIIEars> you should see what a newb like me can do with file permissions. - lol
[11:02] <ircbot_> later peoples
[11:02] <tga> have fun ircbot_
[11:02] <ircbot_> always...
[11:03] <or1on> I'm having one of the classic fstab-probs. Anyone here who can help me?
[11:03] <tga> Nabiki: so how will rewriting the MBR help?
[11:03] <Nabiki> Thanks to grub, if that happens, my system will be a paperweight with anything shortof a low level format and reinstall of everything.
[11:03] <Seveas> or1on, state the problem :)
[11:03] <Nabiki> Because, if I can rewerite it to where it only looks at windows, it will not require the second drive to boot propperly.
[11:03] <liable> tga: try this  echo 1 > /proc/acpi/sleep
[11:04] <mypapit> Nabiki, i cant quite follow you.. how's grub could affect that..
[11:04] <tga> liable: same thing really.. thing is it won't come back from it
[11:04] <Nabiki> because grub wrote to the master boot record, to look at data on the second physical drive.
[11:04] <tga> Nabiki: got it.. good point
[11:04] <IIIEars> Nabiki - If you get into trouble (and i have already) try Helix Linux to rescue any files.
[11:04] <mypapit> Nabiki, oh.. ok..
[11:04] <or1on> Seveas: hte problem is that I'm trying to mount an fat32-partition, and I state in the options that it should be "rw" but I still can't write to it
[11:04] <Seveas> or1on, ah :)
[11:04] <tga> Nabiki: although afaik if it can't read its config file then you'll just get a command prompt
[11:04] <Seveas> hang on
[11:04] <liable> tga: any errors in acpi logs, you have tried it I take?
[11:04] <Nabiki> :P  See... I got myself in a jam becauseo f windows. :P hehehe
[11:05] <tga> Nabiki: just do a "root hd(0,0) / chainloader +1"
[11:05] <Nabiki> Last time I ran into an issue where it couldn't read the config files, I had to use the rescue disk. ^_^
[11:05] <Seveas>  /dev/hda7       /data           vfat    rw,uid=dennis,gid=dennis,fmask=0133,dmask=0022 0 0
[11:05] <tga> liable: I don't get any logs, the system goes down nicely but never comes back up
[11:05] <mypapit> tga, maybe Nabiki dont want to do that everytime the pc boots
[11:05] <mypapit> :))
[11:05] <Seveas> or1on, take that line, change hda7 to your drive and change dennis to your login
[11:05] <tga> why not, it's fun
[11:05] <liable> tga: install the suspend scripts, and you can unload modules before a suspend
[11:05] <ekCo> how do you install activex for 64bit firefox/mozilla?
[11:05] <tga> does what?
[11:06] <Nabiki> I think the version of grub I have is a little retarded!  ^^;; I like lilo better anyway *pouts*
[11:06] <tga> ekCo: I don't think there is such thing as activex for mozilla
[11:06] <mypapit> Nabiki, lilo have uninstall option, but it's still dangerous though
[11:06] <Nabiki> Lilo writes EVERYTHING to the boot record. :P so if one drive dies, you just get an error when you try to access it.^^:;
[11:06] <or1on> Seveas: what do fmask and dmask do? I'm trying to understan the beast :-)
[11:06] <ice04> hi how can i tell what apps have been ported for ubuntu - Newbie
[11:06] <ekCo> okthnx
[11:06] <Seveas> or1on, they set the read/write permissions of the partition
[11:06] <tga> ice04: looking for anything in particular?
[11:07] <or1on> ah k
[11:07] <or1on> thx
[11:07] <mypapit> Nabiki, my favorite, i backup the mbr of my hdd and store it someplace save before installing grub (i did that once)
[11:07] <Nabiki> mypapit: Lilo's uninstall is more like an undo than an uninstall.  Means that if you change it twice, you can't go back to the first.
[11:07] <IIIEars> Nabiki - lol - lilo is scarey - it can turn your display into a stream of flowing zeros if the disk isn't handled correctly.
[11:07] <ice04> not really but would like to have an idea of whats ported, then can decied to install
[11:07] <Nabiki> How does one backup the boot record?
[11:07] <IIIEars> the "dd" command
[11:08] <mypapit> Nabiki, dd if=/dev/hda of=mbr.img count=1 bs=512
[11:08] <Seveas> dd if=/dev/hda of=backup_of_mbr bs=512 count=1
[11:08] <tga> ice04: apt-cache search "" |less
[11:08] <ice04> cool thanks
[11:08] <tga> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda, yeah
[11:08] <mypapit> :)
[11:08] <mypapit> hahaha
[11:08] <liable> Nabiki: not really worth doing, but yah ,dd
[11:08] <tga> ice04: you're probably better off using synaptic
[11:08] <tga> ice04: just look around the categories
[11:08] <mypapit> lol
[11:09] <Nabiki> Has anyone here had any luck using wireless on ubuntu?
[11:09] <tga> Nabiki: so I hear
[11:09] <Seveas> Nabiki, these words come to you via wireless :)
[11:10] <tga> same for _these_ words
[11:10] <Nabiki> I have used a "Gaming bridge"  but it didn't allow direct connections.^^;;
[11:10] <Nabiki> Cool! :P What card do you use? ^_^
[11:10] <mypapit> Nabiki, yeah i have some luck
[11:10] <tga> I've got an Orinoco
[11:10] <Seveas> atheros/madwifi and asus(broadcom)/ndiswrapper
[11:10] <Seveas> 2 laptops :)
[11:11] <mypapit> i also got orinoco and Dlink DWl in my desktop
[11:11] <Nabiki> I can use actual PCI cards if able. ^^ hehe :)
[11:11] <liable> Nabiki: not really distro specific, if it works with any, it should work with ubuntu
[11:11] <Pischenberg> hi
[11:11] <tga> Nabiki: for a desktop you could use a bridge like the Linksys WET11
[11:11] <Pischenberg> i've found this
[11:11] <mypapit> the Dlik pci uses prism chip
[11:11] <mypapit> *Dlink pci*
[11:12] <Pischenberg> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/dvd/current/
[11:12] <IIIEars> would one of them be better/easier to configure than the rest?
[11:12] <Pischenberg> is this multilanguage?
[11:12] <Nabiki> I tried using a USR gaming bridge, because I can get it localy at the NEX, but it doesn't seem to want to do a direct connection.  I think it acts as a gateway and not a router. ^^
[11:12] <tga> IIIEars: they're all the same once you get the drivers going
[11:12] <Nabiki> So I can IRC, and such, but some things I cannot do.
[11:12] <Pischenberg> the hoary 5.04 dvd install version?
[11:13] <Seveas> Pischenberg, iirc yes
[11:13] <Nabiki> So, Dlink works with ndiswrapper?
[11:13] <tga> Nabiki: did you look around the config page? even most routers allow you to forward everything to an address
[11:13] <Seveas> if it is prism, you can use both ndiswrapper and native linux drivers
[11:13] <Pischenberg> Seveas thank you very much
[11:13] <Nabiki> :P the thing I was using isn't exactly a router. :)
[11:14] <tga> Nabiki: still, it probably has a settings page and a way of forwarding everything
[11:14] <mypapit> Nabiki, my dlink pci card uses prism chip.. it works well both with ndiswrapper
[11:14] <Nabiki> :)
[11:14] <IIIEars> Dlink it is - wide grin
[11:14] <Nabiki> So, prism chipset works with most things...... hmmmmmmm.....
[11:15] <Seveas> prism and intel ipw 2100/2200 are the best supported ones
[11:15] <Seveas> atheros and orinoco are good too
[11:16] <Nabiki> I am looking at the dlink web site now.. :P I will have to dig to find out chipsets. ^^;; hehe
[11:17] <sorush20> HI.. guys....
[11:17] <sorush20> I
[11:17] <sorush20> I'm a new Ubuntu Convert.............
[11:17] <IIIEars> Should a Dell laptop run Ubuntu okay?
[11:17] <ice04> Is there any documentation out there to covert Ubuntu's default Dtop from gnome to kde
[11:17] <sorush20> It was the best install I ever had...
[11:18] <sorush20> detected the network and everything no problems at all...
[11:18] <Nabiki> I think you can select an option when you install./
[11:18] <IIIEars> sorush - Welcome!
[11:18] <tga> ice04: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:18] <or1on> hey Seveas, thx a lot for the advice
[11:18] <Seveas> yw
[11:18] <tga> ice04: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:18] <IIIEars> << - painfully new to linux
[11:18] <sorush20> Now I just neet to download a NFS or samba do I do this from the Debian site ...
[11:18] <Seveas> sorush20, no
[11:18] <sorush20> or is it on the installtaion CD
[11:19] <Seveas> sorush20, you just apt-get install it
[11:19] <tga> sorush20: what are you trying to do?
[11:19] <ice04> will that auto install KDE at the next startup or are there any changes to be made
[11:19] <tga> ice04: that will put kde in your desktop manager's list
[11:19] <Seveas> ice04, it will install kde the moment you type it
[11:19] <Seveas> and from than on you can use either one :)
[11:20] <sorush20> Seveas: just trying to connect my Windows PC to My laptop.. to share printers and files ....
[11:20] <tga> sorush20: you want samba then, not NFS
[11:20] <Seveas> indeed
[11:20] <tga> sorush20: for printers you want cups
[11:20] <sorush20> okay.. where is it..
[11:20] <sorush20> samba.org..
[11:20] <Seveas> sorush20, no :)
[11:20] <tga> sorush20: sudo apt-get install samba
[11:20] <tga> sorush20: or just use synaptic
[11:21] <sorush20> I do this from a terminal... right
[11:21] <Seveas> sorush20, in a terminal you type: sudo apt-get install samba
[11:21] <Seveas> and then you type in your password
[11:21] <Nabiki> Is there a semi-easy way to figure out which chipsets a card uses? :P
[11:21] <tga> sorush20: just launch Synaptic from the menu.. it's a package manager and it will help you install stuff
[11:21] <sorush20> Seveas great thanks..
[11:21] <tga> Nabiki: once you have it in your system?
[11:21] <liable> Nabiki: lspci
[11:21] <Nabiki> :P
[11:22] <Nabiki> I mean before it is bought. hehehehe
[11:22] <Seveas> sorush20, samba comes with a manual in /usr/share/doc/samba, read that for configuration instructions please
[11:22] <liable> Nabiki: google :)
[11:22] <tga> Nabiki: just google for "card_name linux"
[11:22] <Seveas> also the command 'man samba' can help you there
[11:22] <ice04> Has amap joined the ported list
[11:23] <sorush20> okay thanks guys..
[11:23] <Seveas> Nabiki, if you have the card already, lspci is the way to go, otherwise the manufacturers site or google. Please keep in mind that sometimes cards use differnet chipsets for different revisions!
[11:24] <ice04> What would be an ideal larning enviroment for a newbie old school debian sarge or ubuntu
[11:24] <Seveas> depends on what you want to learn
[11:24] <tga> ice04: probably ubuntu because it comes with a decent working desktop
[11:25] <tga> ice04: gentoo really, if you have the patience :)
[11:25] <Seveas> if you waant to learn the hard way: try debian or even gentoo. If you want to learn using linux, try ubuntu since it comes as a working system :)
[11:25] <liable> tga: debian doesnt have a decent working desktop?
[11:25] <tga> liable: not out of the box
[11:26] <ice04> i want to start from scratch and build up to sys admin skills
[11:26] <Pixel83> ice04, I've been using ubuntu for more than a week now since windows refused to boot, and I'm getting used to it...
[11:27] <goldfish> ice04: Get a book, essential system administration. O reilly.
[11:27] <liable> Pixel83: there all free :) try em all :)
[11:27] <ice04> i have ubuntu running and i love it,, more like the Mac OS X enviroment
[11:27] <Nabiki> ^_^ hehehe
[11:28] <ice04> but need to find a Unice that can let me start from a command line based enviroment to Dtop to server
[11:28] <Pixel83> liable, i know, started with mandrake, tried a bit of suse and debian...
[11:28] <Nabiki> After the iso I am downloading finishes, I will boot to linux and use lspci to see what chipset my belkin cardis using.^^;;
[11:28] <liable> Pixel83: sorry, wrong person :(
[11:28] <Nabiki> Is ndiswrapper among the packages available on the mirrors?
[11:29] <Seveas> yes
[11:29] <Pixel83> liable, no worries
[11:29] <Seveas> the ndiswrapper kernel module resides in linux-restricted-modules
[11:29] <Seveas> the ndiswrapper tool in ndiswrapper-something
[11:29] <dlh> hi guys
[11:29] <ice04> hi goldfish is that book available on line
[11:29] <dlh> how do i install gcc?
[11:29] <goldfish> ice04: afraid not :)
[11:29] <Seveas> dlh, sudo apt-get gcc
[11:30] <liable> dlh: build-essential
[11:30] <ice04> ok thanks will try amazon
[11:30] <dlh> Seveas, it didn't work :(
[11:30] <Seveas> dlh, sudo apt-get install gcc
[11:30] <tga> dlh: apt-get install build-essential
[11:30] <dlh> Seveas,  at least from that synaptic thing
[11:30] <Seveas> dlh, sudo apt-get install build-essential will give you other useful programs for building
[11:30] <Pixel83> ice04, if you're looking for help with ubuntu, take a look at www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:30] <kevin06> I just wanted to send a general thanks to you guys for asking questions and trying to help, rather than being an ass like people on other servers. Thank you!
[11:30] <Nabiki> linux-restricted-modules?????
[11:30] <dlh> ok, i'll try that
[11:30] <dlh> thanks :)
[11:31] <Seveas> Nabiki, those are the closed source drivers
[11:31] <Seveas> such as ndiswrapper, madwifi, etc..
[11:31] <Nabiki> :P I see.^_^
[11:31] <goldfish> ice04: oh u mean to buy online?
[11:31] <Nabiki> So the stuff that some debian users would think of as vampire like things? :P
[11:32] <goldfish> ice04: of free online?
[11:32] <Seveas> yep :)
[11:32] <liable> kevin06: visit doom9?
[11:32] <kevin06> liable, no... But I was able to solve the issue.
[11:32] <liable> kevin06: sweet, how
[11:33] <kevin06> liable, it was strikingly simple actually. I had to change my settings no to auto-mount it.
[11:33] <liable> hah
[11:33] <kevin06> liable, then when I scanned the disc, it found the audio tracks.
[11:34] <goldfish> limp ?
[11:35] <Raskall> is it safe (as in, will my system break?) to upgrade to breezy now?
[11:35] <Seveas> Raskall, DO NOT use breezy
[11:35] <bassMonkey> Hi, I need to find out how long a ubuntu setup has been installed, is there any way to do this?
[11:35] <goldfish> Raskall: Read the topic :)
[11:35] <Seveas> breezy is broken and will be broken more
[11:35] <Raskall> Seveas: ok.. :) thanks. :)
[11:36] <Nabiki> The windows system information tells me squat. hehe
[11:36] <Burgundavia> Raskall, I currently run breezy. Mono is toast. Sound is toast. HAL is sort of working. Any program that relies on HAL/dbus has to be fixed
[11:36] <Seveas> Burgundavia, and don't forget the c++ transition starting tuesday
[11:36] <Raskall> Burgundavia: ok.. :) guess I will wait, then.
[11:36] <Seveas> lots of things will be toast then
[11:36] <makkia> in hoary my slapd use 100% of CPU any suggestion ?
[11:36] <Burgundavia> Seveas, a lot of work is being done right now
[11:36] <tga> makkia: upgrade your cpu
[11:37] <Seveas> Burgundavia, but they are not uploading it yet :)
[11:37] <makkia> tga: lol
[11:38] <tga> makkia: restart it, check the logs.. the usual story
[11:38] <Burgundavia> Seveas, not yet, but the work is there
[11:39] <Seveas> i think i'll try breezy after the c++ transition on a separate partition :)
[11:47] <Nabiki> I have a stupid pointer question that should take about three seconds to answer once you stop laughing... Anyone care to answer? :P
[11:48] <Nabiki> (C++ related)
[11:48] <geogeo> hello dudes
[11:48] <Seveas> pointers are nice :)
[11:48] <Nabiki> hihi
[11:48] <Seveas> whats the prob. Nabiki ?
[11:48] <mypapit> damn.. trashed my ubuntu system :))
[11:48] <Seveas> mypapit, that's not good :)
[11:48] <Nabiki> int * ptr;   *ptr refers to the value assigned to the location, and ptr to the location itself, correct?
[11:48] <Seveas> yes
[11:49] <Nabiki> Just making sure. :)
[11:49] <Seveas> :)
[11:49] <mypapit> Seveas, guess i strech it too far this time... i'm building a customize cdwriter box based on ubuntu
[11:49] <geogeo> hey dudes, some of you know anjuta ?
[11:49] <mypapit> geogeo, the anjuta the IDE?
[11:50] <geogeo> yeah
[11:50] <Nic> installed it about 10 minutes ago
[11:50] <mypapit> geogeo, what about it
[11:50] <Nic> :D
[11:50] <geogeo> do you use it ?
[11:50] <mypapit> geogeo, occasionally
[11:50] <Seveas> Nabiki, as i said, pointers are nice...
[11:50] <sorush20> I guys just tweaking Ubuntu for my sis.. I just wanted to configure GNOME to open folders in the same window can any on help please..
[11:51] <geogeo> I was searching a c++ editor like anjuta and  I wanted to know if anjuta is a good one
[11:51] <geogeo> it seems to me easy and nice
[11:51] <Seveas> sorush20, edit -> preferences (in a nautilus explorer window)
[11:51] <geogeo> but if you guys know some editors which are cooler !
[11:51] <mypapit> Nabiki, the reduction line of code doesnt mean that the program will be smaller when compiled, nor faster... nor maintainable
[11:51] <Seveas> sorush20, the "behaviour" tab, activate "always open in browser windows"
[11:51] <trondd> geogeo: vim
[11:51] <Nabiki> Anjuta is really nice.
[11:51] <Seveas> geogeo, vim :)
[11:52] <liable> geogeo: if you like it, alls that matters :)
[11:52] <Nabiki> In this case it means two setsof switches instead of 6 ^^;;
[11:52] <geogeo> yeah yeah vim ok
[11:52] <trondd> geogeo: eclipse has got an c++ plugin
[11:52] <Nabiki> but, it would only have had to run through two or three of them anyway. hehehehe
[11:52] <Seveas> eclipse is the nicest ide ever imho
[11:52] <geogeo> yes, i just saw it
[11:52] <mypapit> hmm eclipse doesnt work for me though, too slow and too complex...
[11:53] <mypapit> lol..
[11:53] <geogeo> ahah
[11:53] <Nabiki> I can make the code vieable someplace though, if one is really curious as to wether or not it was worth it. :P hehehehe
[11:53] <chocoIate> back :P
[11:53] <Nabiki> += 'w' somewhere in the middle. hehe
[11:53] <chocoIate> i followed this tutorial here -->> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto
[11:54] <geogeo> thank you !
[11:54] <w0wie> whats the package to use page up and down in man files
[11:54] <Seveas> w0wie, hmm??
[11:54] <lipster> hi , stuff about locales , how can i change the locale in console from like en_US.UTF-8 to just plain en_US ? cause this en_US.UTF-8 seems to dislike the man pages, it shows some bizarre alien signs instead of the ' character ?
[11:54] <geogeo> have a good day, dudes
[11:54] <chocoIate> i type sudo pon in the terminal window and i guess thats it
[11:54] <Seveas> w0wie, afaik the default settings use less as pager, so that should work...
[11:54] <ice04> Hi again i want to stop all scan pings ,, should i use iptables ??
[11:55] <Seveas> ice04, i believe you can use the firestarter frontend to do that easily
[11:55] <liable> chocoIate: wvdial is your friend, easy as hell
[11:55] <chocoIate> however when i try to connect to the internet via the browser it fails :o so i wonder if it actually worked, i mean how do you know you are connected to the ineternet :o
[11:55] <liable> ice04: guarddog also easy as hell
[11:55] <chocoIate> wvdial :o
[11:55] <chocoIate> what is that liable
[11:55] <thenuke> wolksvagen dial
[11:55] <Seveas> lipster, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales. Let it only generate UTF8 locales
[11:55] <ice04> how about iptables ??
[11:55] <liable> chocoIate: a dialing program
[11:56] <chocoIate> where do i get it
[11:56] <chocoIate> oh so now i need to dial lol
[11:56] <chocoIate> i thought that was it :P
[11:56] <thenuke> chocoIate: I think it is already installed in ubuntu
[11:56] <Seveas> ice04, firestarter is a frontend to iptables, you can use either with the same result
[11:56] <liable> ice04: guarddog is a front end for it
[11:56] <lipster> Seveas, so the UTF-8 is not the problem?
[11:56] <liable> chocoIate: type 'wvdialconf'
[11:56] <chocoIate> is it an application in the start menu somewhere, what is the direct link :P
[11:56] <Kimppa> Hello.. Does anyone here know how to re-install gnome?
[11:56] <chocoIate> in the terminal window :o
[11:57] <liable> chocoIate: type 'sudo wvdialconf' yep in terminal
[11:57] <saber_> kimppa: try researching dpkg-reconfigure
[11:57] <chocoIate> ok, i'm on winxp right now so i'm gong to have to logoff and booth on ubuntu :P
[11:57] <chocoIate> is that all there is to it liable :o
[11:57] <liable> Kimppa: why?
[11:57] <Qoppa> Hi there
[11:57] <bassMonkey> If I wanna update a package not in the repos, do I simply install it over the old one, like dpkg -i "packagename.deb" or do I need to remove the old one first?
[11:57] <chocoIate> should i look for a tutorial on the wiki ;-?
[11:57] <w0wie> Seveas: yer thanx for that
[11:58] <liable> chocoIate: 'sudo apt-get install wvdial'
[11:58] <Nabiki> wvdial rocks :P
[11:58] <chocoIate> and what does that second command do :o
[11:58] <liable> chocoIate: 'sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf'
[11:58] <chocoIate> lol
[11:58] <chocoIate> wait :P
[11:58] <chocoIate> whats that tired command now :o
[11:59] <liable> chocoIate: actually, when you install it, it will ask for isp etc
[11:59] <chocoIate> yeah, i provided all that following this tutorial here -->> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto
[11:59] <liable> chocoIate: then, once its done, just type 'sudo wvdial'
[11:59] <Kimppa> liable: something weird happened yesterday while I was using fluxbox. When I booted x didn't go to the login screen anymore. gdm said it was no longer the primary display manager and when I tried startx, gnome was missing all menus - everything.
[11:59] <Kimppa> I was able to log in to gnome via kdm but I had the same problem
[11:59] <liable> Kimppa: try installing xdm, kdm
[12:00] <chocoIate> oh, ok. So this wvdial is something i need to do in combination with the sudo pppconfig i had done earlier :o
[12:00] <bassMonkey> help please
[12:00] <Kimppa> the problem is system wide, because I had the same problem with another username
[12:00] <mypapit> chocoIate, wvdial saves you from lots of hassle in dialing to your isp
[12:00] <chocoIate> because i just finished pppconfig and it seems to have been a success, atleast when i type 'sudo pon' nothing happens
[12:01] <liable> chocoIate: nup, nothing to do with pppconfig
[12:01] <Kimppa> root@kleppane:/home/kimppa # dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[12:01] <Kimppa>  * Reloading GNOME Display Manager configuration...
[12:01] <Kimppa>  * Changes will take effect when all current X sessions have ended.
[12:01] <Kimppa> invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed.
[12:01] <liable> chocoIate: try it, its nice, just have to start it from command line
[12:02] <Nabiki> :P What I need is an implementation of apt-get for Win32 that will download the packages and cituate them in an archive on the drive. :P  hehehe
[12:02] <sorush20> guys what can I use to play MP3s in ubuntu
[12:02] <chocoIate> ok, once i'm done with all those commands, how do i know im connected. Atleast on winxp for instance i can see the computer icon blinking in the system tray and i know i'm connected successfully :P
[12:02] <Nabiki> Hmmmmm.... wget has already been ported, it is pretty much one ofthe most important parts. :P
[12:02] <Seveas> sorush20, beep-media-player, totem, vlx, xmms, mplayer, rhythmbox...
[12:02] <Xgates> how can I install nvidia-glx by itself?
[12:02] <chocoIate> how do you know your connected with ubuntu and online :o
[12:02] <thenuke> sorush20: www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:03] <liable> chocoIate: it will show on command line
[12:03] <Xgates> I dont want the kernel or the modules with it since I compiled a kernel
[12:03] <thenuke> sorush20: you need the codecs, so surf thru that site
[12:03] <jaku> hi, is impossible to navigate in the web pages of mozilla.org because they aloways say to upgrade to 1.0.4 and on ubuntu there is the 1.0.2
[12:03] <Seveas> jaku, ff can fake the user-agent string
[12:03] <Seveas> use that :)
[12:03] <DeadZed> How do I change permissions and owner of a folder and ALL subfolders ??
[12:03] <Seveas> DeadZed, chmod -R / chown -R
[12:03] <mypapit> jaku, it doesnt pose a problem..
[12:03] <DeadZed> :)
[12:03] <chocoIate> brb
[12:03] <kisain> hi all
[12:04] <Qoppa> hi
[12:04] <kisain> as anyone seen Kamping_kiaser?
[12:04] <Xgates> anyone know how can I install nvidia-glx by itself?
[12:04] <Seveas> not lately kisain
[12:04] <kisain> i'm having trouble getting my nvidia card to run (had to redo my system)
[12:04] <kisain> and he had a solution that worked
[12:05] <kisain> he told me to go into recovery and type a command that allowd you to pick and choose from detected hardware
[12:05] <kisain> i forgot the comman :(
[12:05] <kisain> windows sucks i miss my ubuntu
[12:06] <liable> kisain: /j #debian, then /msg dpkg nvidia
[12:06] <Seveas> kisain, maybe dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg??
[12:06] <kisain> see thats just it i don't remeber the command
[12:07] <Kimppa> so.. back to my question, does anyone know how to re-install gnome?
[12:07] <kisain> but i know it's not that l
[12:07] <Seveas> Nabiki, sure it can :)
[12:07] <DeadZed> Seveas actually .. whats the use of permissions if I can still read/write using  winXP "Paragon Mount Everything" ??
[12:07] <DeadZed> or anyone else
[12:07] <Nabiki> Hehehe.  I can implent it in perl, and use it to download stuff under windows.. ^^;; :P
[12:07] <Seveas> i think paragon mount everything doesn't really care about permissions...
[12:07] <DeadZed> there you go
[12:07] <kisain> it was like reconfigure-grub or somethin like that
[12:07] <Seveas> update-grub
[12:08] <Seveas> that's nothing nvidia related though
[12:08] <kisain> already did that diden't work :/
[12:08] <trondd> Nabiki: yum (fedoras packetmanager) is writen in python
[12:08] <dan_a> Hi guys, I need a hand with a failed dist-upgrade.  I was running Woddy + Backports, attempted to upgrade to Hoary and I think it's gone pear shaped.
[12:08] <thenuke> kisain: well, have you tried apt-get reinstall gnome?
[12:08] <kisain> see i got the drivers and enabled them.....
[12:08] <trondd> Nabiki: might be an easier place to start :)
[12:08] <kisain> um no
[12:08] <Seveas> dan_a, where did it fail?
[12:08] <dan_a> Now all my packages that are installed appear in Obsolete and Locally created
[12:08] <Nabiki> I have one thing working in my favor. ^^  Apt uses wget,which has already been ported. :-P hehehe
[12:08] <Seveas> ouch...
[12:08] <kisain> thats a good idea i havent tryed
[12:09] <liable> Kimppa: apt-get remove --purge gdm, then apt-get install gdm
[12:09] <liable> Kimppa: not gnome
[12:09] <dan_a> Seveas, and I don't seem to have a lot of the packages I should have in the list
[12:09] <kisain> and that should fix my vid card problem
[12:09] <DeadZed> deselect can force install/uninstall stuff
[12:10] <DeadZed> dselect I mean
[12:10] <thenuke> (last Kimppa
[12:10] <kisain> i have one of those moboards that have the onboard vid card that you can only shut off in bios
[12:10] <DeadZed> If I encrypt the whole disk .. will it make my distro run slow ?
[12:10] <kisain> my problem is is something dosen't know how to use the vid card
[12:10] <dan_a> Seveas, do I need to set me default dist in apt.conf or something like that?
[12:10] <sorush20> I keep getting the messeage that there is not plugin installed
[12:10] <lipster> how can i choose what services get loaded at system boot and wich not? like add some or remove some?
[12:10] <sorush20> for music player...
[12:11] <dan_a> lipster, chmod -x the start script in /etc/init.d, or remove the package.  Some can be stopped by changing the settings in /etc/default/package-name
[12:11] <thenuke> lipster: try rcconf
[12:11] <DeadZed> if win apps dont care about permissions .. how do I prtect contents of my drives?
[12:11] <Kimppa> liable: did that but it didn't solve my problem
[12:11] <lipster> thnks
[12:11] <Seveas> dan_a, no idea, i can give you my /etc/apt/* if you want?
[12:12] <dan_a> Seveas, sounds good
[12:12] <Seveas> hang on
[12:12] <Burgundavia> DeadZed, win apps can't read you Ubuntu drives
[12:12] <DeadZed> can
[12:12] <DeadZed> Paragon mount everything
[12:12] <DeadZed> + e2fs .. something
[12:12] <DeadZed> If I encrypt the whole disk .. will it make my distro run slow
[12:12] <Kimppa> my problem isn't that gdm is not the default display manager, my problem is that GNOME is not working. When I log in to gnome, all I can see are the two gray "girders" and they are both EMPTY. I cannot see the clock, the menus or for the matter anything else
[12:13] <liable> Kimppa: remove ~/.gnome
[12:13] <DeadZed> Kimppa can you uninstall , reinstall gnome
[12:13] <Seveas> dan_a, http://kaarsemaker.net/~dennis/etc_apt.tar.gz
[12:13] <Kimppa> liable: the problem is that it is a system wide problem, not only for my user
[12:13] <lipster> lipster, yep chmod -x does stop the service from being loaded at boot but i still get a nasty Permission denied. message when it comes to load it ( even if it does not load it)
[12:13] <dan_a> Thanks Seveas
[12:14] <Seveas> it's pretty much the ubuntu default, just added multiverse to the sources.list
[12:14] <Kimppa> DeadZed: yes, that is exactly what I'm trying to do, but I do not know how. My original question was how to do it
[12:14] <dan_a> yeah, I think I need an apt.conf of somethign
[12:14] <dan_a> Seveas, thanks for that
[12:14] <Seveas> yw
[12:14] <Xgates> does anyone know how you compile the nvidia-kernel-source?
[12:14] <Xgates> cant make out the info on the site
[12:14] <Seveas> dan_a, and don't forget to install ubuntu-desktop :)
[12:15] <Seveas> Xgates, why would you want to do that?
[12:15] <Seveas> ubuntu has the latest version of the nvidia driver
[12:15] <dan_a> Seveas, don't want that package, it's a server
[12:15] <Seveas> ah ok
[12:15] <dan_a> Seveas, anyway, part of the problem is that I can't see that one
[12:15] <Seveas> ubuntu-base than
[12:15] <dan_a> Seveas, I wanted Ubuntu-base
[12:15] <dan_a> Seveas, yes :)
[12:15] <Seveas> :)
[12:15] <dan_a> Seveas, can't see that either
[12:16] <sorush20> which media player is more like Windows Media Player
[12:16] <Seveas> eben if you add the ubuntu repos to your sources and do an apt-get update?
[12:16] <Xgates> Seveas, I had to recompile the kernel for sound support that is not in the kernel, I needed the alsa-driver src
[12:16] <Seveas> sorush20, mplayer
[12:16] <dan_a> Seveas, yep, that's the problem
[12:16] <Nabiki> How hard is it to get ubuntu to play DVD's?
[12:16] <Xgates> so now I need the nvidia kernel src too to bet it to work
[12:16] <nicolas_faf> #ubuntu-fr
[12:16] <Xgates> bet/get ....
[12:17] <misieq> hi there...
[12:17] <mypapit> Nabiki, DVD on ubuntu? on scale 1 - 10, i rate it 0.5
[12:17] <mypapit> :p
[12:17] <misieq> i was wondering if it is possible to port gentoo emerge to ubuntu?
[12:17] <Seveas> misieq, possible: maybe. A good thing: definitely not
[12:17] <HiddenWolf> seveas: amen to that
[12:17] <_hp_> how do i get gftp to memorize passwords?
[12:17] <holycow> Xgates, the kernel is entirely modular ... how is anything not in the kernel?
[12:17] <Seveas> Nabiki, not too hard, you might need libdvdcss2
[12:18] <misieq> Seveas: why not?
[12:18] <mypapit> sorush20, get mplayer, it has a skin that mimic your favorite Windows Media Player :)
[12:18] <HiddenWolf> _hp_ add the sites as bookmarks
[12:18] <Kimppa> liable: I tried removing .gnome*, but as I expected, it didn't help in any way
[12:18] <cam_> what file is the default gateway set in? /etc/network/interfaces ?
[12:18] <misieq> I used gentoo once and i liked it
[12:18] <Seveas> misieq, because the apt way of doing things fits better in a debian-based system
[12:18] <Xgates> holycow, my sound card support is not in it
[12:18] <dan_a> Seveas, ahhh, I think I was missing the pgp stuff
[12:18] <Xgates> Alsa is compiled into the kernel therefore alsa-drivers is not installed
[12:19] <Seveas> misieq, and because apt is better :)
[12:19] <Nabiki> Does VLC run well on it? :)
[12:19] <DJSelbeck> all of mine gtk1.2 apps are looking so ugly what can i do. the font is to big the menus has no 3deffects
[12:19] <sorush20> mypapit, thanks..
[12:19] <Seveas> and because reimplementing a perfectly fine working something would be nonsense and just cost manpower
[12:19] <misieq> Seveas, erm... and what if i compile from source something what is in the apt repo? will apt break or something?
[12:19] <Xgates> holycow, I was looking at this for nvidia-kernel src --> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21111.html
[12:19] <Kimppa> Does anyone know how to reinstall _gnome_?
[12:19] <Seveas> DJSelbeck, gtk1.2 simply is ugly :)
[12:19] <Seveas> misieq, apt-get source <packagename>
[12:20] <Seveas> dpkg-buildpackage
[12:20] <Xgates> holycow, all it says is to compile it, and in the src there is no info either on how to go about that
[12:20] <Xgates> hmm
[12:20] <Seveas> dpkg -i <the deb>
[12:20] <Seveas> there, built from source :(
[12:20] <liable> Kimppa: lets start again, you get gdm at boot? but no menus in gnome? Or you go to prompt at boot or...
[12:20] <Seveas> :) i meant
[12:20] <holycow> Xgates, i wish i could help, i've not compiled anything in ages : / sorry
[12:20] <Seveas> and apt won't break if you install into /opt or /usr/local
[12:20] <DJSelbeck> yes but normally the font is not so big. for example the xmms menu has a font size of 15
[12:20] <Kimppa> liable: do you mind if I pm you with the long story?
[12:20] <liable> Kimppa: sure
[12:20] <Xgates> holycow, ok wait I might have it :-)
[12:21] <misieq> Seveas, can i add sth to apt repo? i was wondering if i could use mcplay
[12:21] <cam_> how do i disable syncronizing the clock to ntp.ubuntulinux.org at boot?
[12:21] <Seveas> misieq, what is sth?
[12:21] <Raskall> how do I switch default desktop system (kde/gnome) from the commandline?
[12:21] <misieq> something
[12:21] <cam_> ive looked through the rc.d folders and cant find anything to do with ntp
[12:21] <Raskall> vnc4server starts kde, but I want Gnome
[12:21] <mypapit> the golden rule : always install things that doesnt belong on your distro in /usr/local
[12:21] <HiddenWolf> cam_ look for something with time :)
[12:22] <misieq> they use this abbreviation in dictionaries
[12:22] <trondd> Raskall: edit ~/.vnc/startx
[12:22] <cam_> yer there's nothing apart from the hardware clock
[12:22] <Seveas> misieq, you can always ask the MOTU
[12:22] <misieq> MOTU?
[12:22] <Seveas> misieq, see UniverseCanditates on the wiki
[12:22] <nicolas_faf> Hello
[12:22] <Raskall> trondd: ahh. what's the startup command for gnome?
[12:22] <cam_> ive even apt-get removed ntp
[12:22] <Seveas> or wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[12:22] <cam_> and it still wont stop
[12:22] <misieq> i'll give it a try... thanks
[12:23] <nicolas_faf> Can you see here : http://pastebin.com/285038
[12:23] <nicolas_faf> and say me de problem
[12:23] <Seveas> cam_, sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/ntpdate
[12:23] <cam_> ahh i see ntpdate in init.d
[12:23] <cam_> now
[12:23] <cam_> tyahis
[12:23] <cam_> thanks
[12:24] <Seveas> nicolas_faf, what is the problem?
[12:24] <nicolas_faf> Hello
[12:24] <nicolas_faf> I will export EGTK and GOBO
[12:24] <Seveas> that file looks good to me nicolas_faf
[12:25] <misieq> Seveas, I heard once about some synaptic like app written in mono... do u know the name?
[12:25] <Seveas> no idea
[12:25] <trondd> Raskall: gnome-session
[12:25] <Xgates> holycow, oh well not working the install, btw do you know how I can install nvidia-glx by itself?
[12:25] <nicolas_faf> but when I tape echo $GOBO i don't have reponse
[12:25] <Xgates> holycow, I dont want any kernel image or modules since I compiled a kernel
[12:25] <Xgates> just the the glx driver is all
[12:25] <Xgates> just need ....
[12:26] <Seveas> nicolas_faf, /etc/profile is only sources for login shells
[12:26] <Seveas> so not for terminals within gnome
[12:26] <Raskall> trondd: takk. :)
[12:26] <Seveas> nicolas_faf, add these lines to your ~/.bashrc too
[12:27] <nicolas_faf> seveas -> ok, i test
[12:27] <Hussam> do the ubuntu precompiled xfce packages have compositor enabled?
[12:29] <mypapit> Xgates, just download the drivers from nvidia.com, init into runlevel 3, execute the installer, should be fine
[12:29] <mypapit> Xgates, oh..i forgot, you need to install kernel sources too
[12:29] <Seveas> mypapit, not really
[12:29] <nicolas_faf> export PATH="$PATH:/usr/lib/smarteiffel/bin";
[12:29] <nicolas_faf> export GOBO="/usr/lib/gobo";
[12:29] <nicolas_faf> export EGTK="/usr/lib/egtk";
[12:29] <nicolas_faf> -> Must I put ";" after line ?
[12:29] <Seveas> just the headers
[12:29] <dan_a> Seveas, I think that's cured it, thanks for that
[12:29] <Seveas> nicolas_faf, not neccessarily
[12:29] <marcin_ant> hi all
[12:30] <Seveas> dan_a, yw, glad i could help
[12:30] <marcin_ant> I would like to ask what is a status of breezy
[12:30] <Seveas> breezy is broken
[12:30] <Seveas> massively broken and will be broken more over the next week(s)
[12:30] <Xgates> mypapit, yeah how do you compile and install the kernel src too?
[12:30] <Xgates> cant seem to get that one
[12:30] <marcin_ant> Seveas: ok, so then I'll wait for a while
[12:30] <HiddenWolf> seveas, define massively
[12:30] <Seveas> Xgates, for compiling drivers, you just need the kernel headers
[12:30] <marcin_ant> Seveas: btw - broken = not installable?
[12:30] <mypapit> Xgates, you dont need to compile the kernel
[12:31] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, c++ transition, lots of broken libraries and apps
[12:31] <nicolas_faf> sevas ok, that's all right, thank you
[12:31] <Seveas> dbus is broken now
[12:31] <mypapit> Xgates, you only need the headers.. the nvidia-glx installer will take cares the rest
[12:31] <Seveas> Xgates, apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:32] <Xgates> mypapit, yes I did for getting my snd card working at least SO I thought, I'm using a Audigy LS and it doesn't have support for Alsa in the kernel, alsa-drivers needs to be compiled
[12:32] <nicolas_faf> seveas ok, that's all right, thank you
[12:32] <Seveas> nicolas_faf, yw :)
[12:32] <Seveas> marcin_ant, broken == not installable or applications using it won't work
[12:32] <Seveas> or plain buggy
[12:33] <Seveas> Lidia21, it's quite impolite to just start a private conversation without asking...
[12:33] <marcin_ant> Seveas: are there any build logs to see what packages are not installable?
[12:33] <Xgates> Seveas, the linux-headers 2.5.999.... one is installed already
[12:33] <mypapit> yeah.. my embeded box based on ubuntu start workin, though not as i intended, i still need some major tweaking todo
[12:33] <Seveas> marcin_ant, subscribe to breezy-changes@lists.ubuntu.com for all details :)
[12:33] <mypapit> lol
[12:34] <hardcampa-> Seveas Lidia21 is prolly a bot or something. Got kicked from gentoo anyway
[12:34] <Hussam> Lidia21 is a spammer
[12:34] <Seveas> marcin_ant, and http://people.ububtu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/ has the logs
[12:34] <sorush20> is it the debian package for mplayer that i need to download
[12:34] <nicolas_faf> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/
[12:34] <Seveas> hardcampa-, thnx for the info
[12:34] <Seveas> anybody else get private messages from Lidia21 ?
[12:34] <Xgates> should I also install the linux-headers-2.6.10-5?
[12:34] <HiddenWolf> seveas, haven't followed the list since friday, has it gotten worse? :)
[12:35] <aprill2k> I am having problems with DMA mode kfscking up my cpmputer, getting sector read errors
[12:35] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, not really
[12:35] <Hussam> Seveas: I did
[12:35] <Xgates> and remove the 2.5.999 one?
[12:35] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, it will be worse next week with all c++ apps being rebuilt :)
[12:35] <HiddenWolf> Seveas, when is it estimated that it'll 'work' more or less?
[12:36] <Xgates> mypapit, the 2.5.999 headers are installed by default, should I remove that and install the 2.6.10-5?
[12:36] <aprill2k> ban Lidia21, she is spam bot!!
[12:37] <Seveas> aprill2k, we know, I have alerted one of the ops
[12:37] <mypapit> Xgates, you should use header which correspond to your 'uname -r' linux release
[12:37] <aprill2k> Xgates, just type "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`"
[12:38] <Hussam> do the ubuntu precompiled xfce packages have compositor enabled?
[12:38] <Echylo> Lidia21, a spam bot? :p
[12:38] <misieq> does anybody know where konqeror keeps bookmarks??
[12:39] <Xgates> putting headers isnt going to resolve this issue with just trying to install nvidia-glx by itself
[12:39] <sorush20> I'm trying to add a windows printer but its not working its on a home network.. any help
[12:40] <Xgates> and I have headers installed the 2.5.999 and if I remove it then it removes DEV tools and then I wont be able to compile
[12:40] <gorilla_> misieq, try ~/.konqeror this is just a  guess.. I haven't got it installed
[12:40] <Xgates> I dont see the point of having 2 sets of headers installed
[12:40] <aprill2k> ANyone have skippy DVD problems?
[12:40] <Xgates> I mean you just dont do that
[12:40] <aprill2k> skippy DVD playback?
[12:40] <misieq> gorilla_, nope, there's no such dir
[12:41] <misieq> i keep settings in ~/.kde, but i can't find it anywhere there
[12:41] <mjr> aprill2k, most likely you have dma disabled on the dvd drive; try sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/[dvd-drive] 
[12:41] <gorilla_> misieq, oh sorry.. I'm lost then.. try google perhaps :-/
[12:41] <_hp_> how do i tell synaptic to ignore my broken packages?
[12:41] <Seveas> _hp_, read the manpage for apt.conf
[12:41] <Hussam> misieq: try         ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/
[12:41] <mjr> aprill2k, if it works, you can make it permanent via /etc/hdparm.conf (iirc)
[12:42] <Xgates> ---> Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.10
[12:42] <aprill2k> mjr, yes -- that seems to do the trick -- but then when i enabled it after watching the DVD for a while I get I/O errors at sectors?!??!
[12:42] <Seveas> Xgates, try 2.6.10-$YOUR-ARCH
[12:42] <mjr> aprill2k, setting the dma while there's activity on the disc may result in weird errors
[12:42] <Seveas> as in 2.6.10-386 or -686 or -k7
[12:42] <Xgates> that doesnt work and I installed the 2.6.10-5 one in Synaptic and I still cant get the nvidia-glx to install by itself
[12:42] <aprill2k> mjr, i have heard that this problem is common, but no, i took out the disc and put it back in -- still does the I/O errors
[12:43] <Seveas> Qoppa, please do NOT use public away messages in here
[12:43] <mjr> aprill2k, though it is also possible that the drive can't do dma properly
[12:43] <misieq> Hussam, thanks, it's there
[12:43] <aprill2k> mjr, it does in Windows == this is a DVD-+RW
[12:43] <Xgates> Seveas, sorry what, this is the kernel I compiled --> linux-image-2.6.10_1_i386.deb
[12:43] <aprill2k> Xgates, type "apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`" exactly as i put it there with the back ticks
[12:44] <mjr> aprill2k, the driver or the disk firmware may, with bad luck, remain confused after the fact; try rebootin or rmmodin and modprobing ide-cd again
[12:44] <aprill2k> mjr, no this was after a reboot!
[12:44] <mjr> aprill2k, hmh
[12:44] <Seveas> Xgates, you should switch to a -686 (Pentium) or -K7 (amd) kernel too...
[12:44] <aprill2k> mjr, i have heard it is commong but google does not show anything
[12:44] <Xgates> aprill2k, I did that I said :-) ---> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:44] <Xgates> ---> Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.10
[12:45] <aprill2k> Xgates, type "uname -r" and tell me what it says
[12:45] <Seveas> try 2.6.10-386 Xgates
[12:45] <mjr> aprill2k, so, reboot, the hdparm thing without the drive active, and it still doesn't work properly?
[12:45] <mjr> aprill2k, then I don't know, might be some compatibility issue :I
[12:45] <aprill2k> mjr, if DMA is not enabled then DVD playback is skippy
[12:45] <mjr> yes, it does tend to be
[12:46] <Hussam> using apt-get, how can I download packages but not install them ( I just want to cache them )
[12:46] <spiral> hmmm, is there any new about firefox 1.0.4 in ubuntu ?
[12:46] <Seveas> Hussam, apt-get -d install <packagename>
[12:46] <Xgates> Seveas, nope, I dont get what we are trying to do here, Synaptic lists all the kernel headers by name
[12:46] <Seveas> spiral, ff in ubuntu is 1.0.4 in disguise
[12:46] <Hussam> Seveas: thanks :)
[12:46] <Xgates> Seveas, btw I said before I compiled a kernel because I have a Audigy LS card and that is not supported in Alsa in the Kernel
[12:47] <aprill2k> Xgates, did you type "uname -r" dude?
[12:47] <ivoks> lol
[12:47] <ivoks> wtf is Lidia21 ?
[12:47] <Seveas> Xgates, if you use xchat, type this in xchat: /exec -o uname -r
[12:48] <Xgates> aprill2k, YO my MAN hehe I just typed to you and told you I did for the second time and said it dont work
[12:48] <Seveas> ivoks, an annoying bot
[12:48] <Xgates> LOL
[12:48] <jnk> mjr, last time I tried it doesn't work with /etc/hdparm.conf, because the init script is run before hotplug loads the cdrom module, so /dev/hdc or whatever doesn't exist yet
[12:48] <ivoks> hehe
[12:48] <Xgates> 2.6.10
[12:48] <spiral> Seveas: just the version number hidden ?
[12:48] <Seveas> but the ops are all sleeping
[12:48] <Xgates> Seveas, all you had to do was ask me what version I have
[12:48] <Xgates> hehe
[12:48] <Xgates> --> 2.6.10
[12:48] <Xgates> Seveas, I COMPILED my kernel
[12:48] <Xgates> :-)
[12:48] <Seveas> spiral, ff in ubuntu is 1.0.2 with all security patches applied, so it's actually 1.0.4
[12:49] <Seveas> ajmitch_ / daniels, are you around..?
[12:49] <Xgates> aprill2k, scroll up :-)
[12:49] <aprill2k> Xgates, you're tyelling me that the "uname -r" command doesnt work, or that it only shows "2.6.10"?????
[12:49] <Xgates> aprill2k, -----> http://pastebin.com/285053
[12:50] <Fackamato> has anyone successfully built her/his own kernel on ubuntu?
[12:50] <ivoks> yes
[12:50] <Seveas> Fackamato, lots of people :)
[12:50] <ivoks> lot of people :)
[12:50] <lapo> hi
[12:50] <Seveas> hi lapo
[12:51] <Fackamato> I haven't ;(
[12:51] <Fackamato> Must I build it in some special way?
[12:51] <ivoks> Fackamato you have time...
[12:51] <ivoks> don't rush
[12:51] <Fackamato> I just drag the source, make menuconfig > make > make modules_install and copy the system.map and kernel to /boot, edit grub and reboot, boot the kernel, poff, it doesn't work well
[12:51] <ivoks> Fackamato ask Xgates, he knows how to do it right way and he's eager to help you
[12:52] <Xgates> Seveas, I thought all I'm going to do is install one of the 2.6.10 headers, like the 2.6.10-5 one
[12:52] <Hussam> anyone using ubuntu xfce 4.2 packages?
[12:52] <Xgates> ivoks, no Im not
[12:52] <herzi> Seveas: it works, anacron has been the missing package
[12:52] <ivoks> Xgates yes you are
[12:52] <Seveas> herzi, good to know
[12:53] <Xgates> Im still trying to figure how to just install the nvidia-glx alone
[12:53] <ivoks> Xgates that package depends on nvidia-kernel
[12:53] <ivoks> Xgates you can't install only nvidia-glx... that's useless
[12:53] <mypapit> Xgates, the bottom line is... put whatever kernel sources/header you've compiled in /usr/src/linux, and execute that damn nvidia installer
[12:53] <ivoks> don't
[12:53] <ivoks> Xgates don't do it like that!
[12:53] <ivoks> man...
[12:54] <ivoks> Xgates apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source
[12:54] <Nabiki> bbl
[12:54] <ivoks> Xgates build modules with make-kpkg
[12:54] <Xgates> ivoks, I have the nvidia-kernel-source
[12:54] <ivoks> Xgates ok, it's in /usr/src
[12:54] <ivoks> Xgates unpack it
[12:54] <Xgates> yes
[12:54] <ivoks> Xgates then go to /usr/src/linux-source...
[12:55] <ivoks> Xgates and run make-kpkg --stem linux modules_image
[12:55] <ivoks> Xgates that will create nice nvidia-kernel package which you can install via dpkg -i
[12:55] <ivoks> Xgates and all packages that depend (like nvidia-glx) will be installable
[12:56] <ivoks> Xgates because dependcies will be ensured
[12:56] <ivoks> man... pice of cake..
[12:56] <Xgates> ivoks, ok wait compile the kernel, and then run --> make-kpkg --initrd --stem linux --revision=1 kernel_image modules_image ?
[12:56] <ivoks> Xgates no
[12:56] <ivoks> Xgates you allready compiled kernel
[12:56] <Xgates> ok
[12:56] <Xgates> ic
[12:56] <ivoks> Xgates you just need to do modules
[12:56] <Xgates> k
[12:56] <ivoks> Xgates make-kpkg modules_image
[12:57] <ivoks> Xgates make-kpkg will know what revision of kernel you have
[12:57] <Xgates> ok
[12:57] <ivoks> but, to be sure
[12:57] <ivoks> do it like this:
[12:57] <ivoks> make-kpkg --stem linux modules_image
[12:57] <Xgates> got it
[12:58] <ivoks> that's right
[12:58] <Xgates> Oooo --->  nvidia-kernel-2.6.10_1.0.7174-0ubuntu2+1_i386.deb
[12:58] <mikl> beware teh chanserv
[12:58] <Xgates> ivoks, :-)
[12:58] <Xgates> ok let me install
[12:58] <ivoks> Xgates install that package
[12:58] <Xgates> hehe
[12:58] <ivoks> and then apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:59] <Seveas> wtf
[12:59] <Seveas> daniels / bob2 ??
[12:59] <sorush20> guys what is a good media player that installes automatically on Ubuntu and plays mp3s
[12:59] <ivoks> Seveas what's the problem?
[12:59] <lapo> --stem, what is it for?
[12:59] <sorush20> can anyone help...
[12:59] <ivoks> sorush20 none
[12:59] <nevyn> /away
[12:59] <Seveas> sorush20, totem-xine
[01:00] <ivoks> lapo o ensure kernel image is called linux-image, not kernel-image
[01:00] <Burgundavia> sorush20, you need gstreamer-mad to play mp3s in rhythmbox, which is installed by default
[01:00] <ivoks> Burgundavia isn't
[01:00] <lapo> ivoks, it isn't in the manual page btw
[01:00] <ivoks> lapo yes there is, man make-kpkg
[01:00] <Burgundavia> ivoks, rhythmbox is installed by deafult, as it is part of gnome
[01:00] <lapo> ivoks, alredy done
[01:01] <Seveas> Burgundavia, but gstreamer0.8-mad isn't
[01:01] <ivoks> lapo or isn't :)
[01:01] <ivoks> let me check
[01:01] <Burgundavia> Seveas, oh, my wording was bad
[01:01] <Seveas> Burgundavia, sort of ;)
[01:01] <Burgundavia> sorush20, you need gstreamer-mad
[01:01] <ivoks> well... lapo isn't, but that's the way to do it
[01:01] <Xgates> ivoks, THANKS man
[01:01] <Xgates> brb
[01:01] <Burgundavia> sorush20, rb is installed by default, not gstreamer-mad
[01:01] <sorush20> okay.. thanks..
[01:01] <ivoks> lapo make-kpkg --help | grep stem
[01:02] <lapo> ivoks, it is what I was looking for !
[01:02] <ivoks> lapo if you ask me, that's bug in kernel-package
[01:02] <ivoks> maybe it's time to fix it...
[01:03] <Xgates> OH yeah
[01:03] <Xgates> :-)
[01:04] <mypapit> Xgates, looking good?
[01:04] <mypapit> lol
[01:04] <Xgates> yea MAN
[01:04] <Xgates> ok ONE last one
[01:04] <Xgates> hehe
[01:05] <BrianB04> Hey all
[01:05] <mypapit> wtf
[01:05] <Xgates> I have a Audigy LS card so I compiled the kernel over with no Alsa and only sound support as a <m>, then compiled the alsa-drivers source and installed it, NOW when I run like rhythmbox I get this ---> Alsa device "default" is already in use by another program
[01:05] <Xgates> hmm
[01:05] <ivoks> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto
[01:06] <Xgates> so in rcconf would I keep alsa, and alsasound on?
[01:06] <ivoks> Xgates ok...
[01:06] <ivoks> Xgates go to system, preferences
[01:06] <Xgates> k
[01:06] <ivoks> Xgates there should be a multimedia selector or something like that
[01:07] <xukun_> Xgates, me too
[01:07] <ivoks> i'm not on ubuntu now :(
[01:07] <Seveas> BrianB04, yes
[01:07] <Xgates> ivoks, ok open
[01:07] <misieq> is there any difference between ubuntu repo and debian once?
[01:07] <ivoks> Xgates choose ESD for input and output (audio)
[01:07] <BrianB04> Seveas, How? I have hunted, and I thought there was a group for it, but don't see any group listed in /etc/group for that...
[01:07] <Seveas> misieq, a lot :)
[01:07] <dballester> hi to all
[01:07] <Xgates> ivoks, ok done
[01:07] <ivoks> Xgates that's was default
[01:07] <Seveas> BrianB04, give that user the rights to use sudo for apt-get only
[01:07] <misieq> Seveas, which is erm... better?
[01:07] <ivoks> Xgates try now :)
[01:07] <Seveas> misieq, if you use ubuntu: ubuntu, if you use debian: debian
[01:08] <mypapit> BrianB04, hmm there is, but some "naugthy" user would run amok with apt-get in your system
[01:08] <Xgates> ivoks, hmm in Slackware I use to always use it on Alsa
[01:08] <ivoks> Xgates on slack you didn't have esd running
[01:08] <BrianB04> Oh, so you you have to use sudo no matter what. Well, my system is a single user system..so that's not an issue.
[01:08] <ivoks> on ubuntu you have
[01:08] <misieq> Seveas, can i apt-get some packages from debian repo? or is it going to harm my system?
[01:08] <Xgates> ivoks, yeah but then I'm not using Alsa on the system am I if ESD is picked?
[01:09] <ivoks> Xgates http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-32063.html
[01:09] <misieq> There is no mplayer in ubuntu repo :(
[01:09] <Seveas> misieq, you can if you are very careful, but almost all of the debian repo is in the ubuntu repo
[01:09] <Xgates> personally I'd LOVE to kille esd and remove it
[01:09] <Seveas> misieq, there is!
[01:09] <Seveas> misieq, it's in multiverse
[01:09] <ivoks> lol
[01:09] <misieq> how can i check if i have a multiverse repo?
[01:09] <ivoks> 17G     var
[01:10] <Seveas> misieq, in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:10] <BrianB04> Hrmmm, now to figure out why instiki does not want to run.
[01:10] <Seveas> if you didn't add it, it's not enabled misieq
[01:10] <misieq> Seveas, what should the line look line?
[01:10] <misieq> i didn't
[01:10] <Xgates> ivoks, crap so I should do all that in that URL huh?
[01:10] <Xgates> hmm
[01:10] <misieq> this might be the thing :)
[01:10] <Seveas> misieq, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[01:11] <ivoks> Xgates copy paste
[01:11] <ivoks> Xgates or
[01:11] <ivoks> Xgates you can disable esd
[01:11] <ivoks> Xgates then you won't be able to hear gnome sounds, etc...
[01:11] <ivoks> just from apps
[01:11] <misieq> Seveas, shoul i add all lines to sources.list ??
[01:12] <Seveas> misieq, it will do no harm. If you add all these, you can remove all others since these lines contain all official ubuntu repositories
[01:12] <Xgates> gnome sounds hmm no biggie
[01:12] <Xgates> better to uninstall esd
[01:12] <ivoks> no
[01:13] <ivoks> just disable sound server
[01:13] <Xgates> no
[01:13] <Xgates> ahh
[01:13] <ivoks> system, preferences, sound
[01:13] <Xgates> I see
[01:13] <dballester> i wanna change the fonts/size of the ubuntu QT based applications ( fwbuilder, skype...) but i don't have the kde control center. Anybody know where ( application or file ) can be selected/informed the font type and size for QT based applications? TIA
[01:13] <ivoks> but i would suggest you to enable dmix, via url you just visited
[01:13] <mdke> ops please
[01:14] <Xgates> ivoks, crap I installed libesd-alsa0 and it removed some esd lib
[01:14] <Xgates> hmm
[01:14] <Xgates> cant remember the name
[01:14] <Xgates> hmm
[01:14] <ivoks> that's ok
[01:14] <misieq> Seveas, what for is mplayer-k7 package??
[01:14] <Xgates> ok
[01:15] <Seveas> misieq, for ubuntu you need mplayer-custom
[01:15] <Seveas> -k7 is for amd processors, but isn't working properly iirc
[01:15] <Xgates> ivoks, I found it --> libeds0
[01:15] <Xgates> :-)
[01:15] <Xgates> esd0 ....
[01:16] <xukun_> how can I fine-tunne ubuntu? I mean installing things like java and adobe
[01:16] <xukun_> ?
[01:16] <misieq> Seveas, it does not want to mark :/
[01:16] <ivoks> xukun_ ubuntuguide.org
[01:16] <Seveas> xukun: for adone: use the adobe installer
[01:16] <Seveas> ivoks, NO, ubuntuguide is wrong ert java
[01:16] <ivoks> is it?
[01:16] <ivoks> don't know ;)
[01:17] <Seveas> xukun_, for java: get the .bin file from sin, install java-package and run make-jpkg on the .bin file
[01:17] <lapo> xukun, apt-get java-package and use it for jave
[01:17] <misieq> Seveas, i click on mplayer-custom, select install it shows me some additional packages it has to install, i click on commit and then happens nothing
[01:17] <bad_mongo> which program do you guys use to watch wmv-files on the web?
[01:17] <misieq> what's wrong?
[01:17] <xukun_> now I,m confuse
[01:17] <Seveas> misieq, try sudo apt-get install mplayer-custom, it'll give you more info
[01:17] <herpes> Lidia21, is a spam bot thingee
[01:17] <TenebraeUnus> ban Lidia21
[01:18] <TenebraeUnus> bot
[01:18] <Seveas> herpes, TenebraeUnus, we know
[01:18] <mdke> TenebraeUnus, we are trying ;)
[01:18] <Seveas> but there are no ops around
[01:18] <lapo> bad_mongo, mozilla-mplayer
[01:19] <Xgates> OH yeah
[01:19] <misieq> Seveas, it says that mplayer-custom depends on libavcodec2, but it cannot be installed
[01:19] <Xgates> WoOT
[01:19] <Xgates> 24bit Audigy LS in the CusTom compiled Ubuntu
[01:19] <Xgates> LOL
[01:19] <mdke> alindeman, you here?
[01:20] <Seveas> misieq, what does it say when you try to install just the libavcodec2 with apt-get?
[01:20] <ivoks> Seveas could you do me favour?
[01:20] <ivoks> Seveas do you have debootstrap installated?
[01:20] <bad_mongo> lapo, hm, it won't work here..
[01:20] <marcin_ant> does anyone know when multisync will be fixed to work with evo 2.2?
[01:20] <Seveas> ivoks, yes
[01:21] <misieq> erm... "package libavcodec2 has no candidate for installation" (or something like this i think)
[01:21] <ivoks> Seveas could you send me scripts for ubuntu? (/usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts)?
[01:21] <Seveas> misieq, hmm, you might need marillat stable for that
[01:21] <ivoks> i'm on sarge and don't have ubuntu scripts
[01:21] <ivoks> Seveas breezy would be nice :)
[01:21] <misieq> what is marillat?
[01:21] <mdke> misieq, are you installing mplayer from the multiverse repository?
[01:21] <Seveas> misieq, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[01:22] <Seveas> misieq add that to your sources.list
[01:22] <Seveas> ivoks, sorry, i only have hoary
[01:22] <mdke> Seveas, that is pretty dangerous! marillat
[01:22] <ivoks> Seveas ok, hoary is fine too :)
[01:22] <Seveas> mdke stable isn't dangerous
[01:22] <mdke> Seveas, it will cause some version conflicts with mplayer no?
[01:23] <mdke> best thing is to install mplayer from multiverse and get codecs manually, or from an unofficial ubuntu repo
[01:23] <Seveas> ivoks, http://kaarsemaker.net/~dennis/debootstrap-scripts.tar.gz
[01:23] <Xgates> say I left kernel automount compiled in the kernel but when I put in a cd now its not automountung
[01:23] <Xgates> automounting
[01:23] <Xgates> hmm
[01:24] <Xgates> I guess this is all I need to FIX
[01:24] <Xgates> hehe
[01:24] <ivoks> Seveas thanx
[01:24] <Xgates> dammm this has been FRIGGIN long time getting customized
[01:24] <misieq> Seveas i did and nothing changed
[01:25] <daniels> ah, I see madkiss's already sorted it
[01:25] <Seveas> daniels, we need more ops in here, is it possibly to apply for ops somewhere?
[01:26] <misieq> Seveas, there is only libavcodec1 when i browse repo with kyanptic
[01:26] <mdke> Seveas, via the CC
[01:26] <ivoks> Xgates don't use automount
[01:26] <ivoks> Xgates use dbus/hal/gnome-volume-manager
[01:27] <misieq> and still i does not want to install
[01:27] <Seveas> misieq, try marillat testing then (replace stable with testing in the line i sent you earlier)
[01:27] <Seveas> misieq, this is the non-free problem that hits all distros unfortunately
[01:27] <mdke> meh
[01:27] <mdke> misieq, just search the net for a w32codecs deb package, download and install it
[01:28] <ivoks> use free formatr
[01:28] <mdke> i think that should be enough
[01:28] <nalioth> howdy
[01:28] <Xgates> ivoks, yeah dbus/hal/is running installed
[01:28] <misieq> Seveas, there is one in repo. shoul i install it?
[01:28] <Xgates> ivoks, BUT should I remove these from the kernel
[01:29] <Xgates> --> <M> Kernel automounter support
 Kernel automounter version 4 support (also supports v3)
[01:29] <Burgundavia> misieq, it is part of the hoary-backports project
[01:29] <Burgundavia> misieq, check the forums
[01:29] <Xgates> ivoks, those are compiled in as mods by default I believe
[01:29] <ivoks> Xgates sure
[01:29] <mdke> misieq, Burgundavia is right. Check this page too: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats <-- it will tell you all you need to know
[01:29] <ivoks> Xgates you don't need automount
[01:29] <daniels> Seveas: i'll mention it
[01:29] <Xgates> ivoks, remove those?
[01:29] <ivoks> Xgates if you want, yes
[01:30] <Xgates> k
[01:30] <Seveas> daniels, thanks
[01:30] <mdke> daniels, Seveas the community council agenda has been discussing the question of ops for a while
[01:30] <Xgates> ivoks, now what about dbus/hal does it need any kernel support?
[01:30] <mdke> Seveas, best thing is to turn up to the next meeting and volunteer
[01:30] <ivoks> no
[01:30] <Seveas> mdke, i know, and it's good that there are some, but we simply need more to cover all timezones so i am going to volunteer :)
[01:30] <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[01:30] <Seveas> mdke, I was there already
[01:31] <Seveas> need to fix my wikipage and i'll add myself
[01:31] <mdke> Seveas, the idea was that all community members would be able to op up
[01:31] <Xgates> ivoks, well in rcconf I have this checked -->  [*]  dbus-1
[01:31] <johng> mmm gcc 4 was just installed
[01:31] <LiEn> 
[01:31] <ivoks> Xgates what's bothering you?
[01:31] <Seveas> LiEn, please speak english in here
[01:31] <Xgates> ivoks,  and in /etc/init.d  dbus-1 is executable, so why will it not automount the cd?
[01:31] <Xgates> ivoks, cd wont automount is what
[01:31] <Xgates> hmm
[01:31] <ivoks> Xgates maybe you told it so?
[01:32] <Xgates> told it?
[01:32] <ivoks> Xgates gnome-volume-properties, IRC
[01:32] <Xgates> Ijust put a cd in the rom is all
[01:32] <Xgates> ivoks, how?
[01:32] <Xgates> gnome-volume?
[01:32] <Xgates> hmm
[01:32] <ivoks> Xgates gnome-volume-properties
[01:32] <Nabiki>  I have a semi-unrelated logic question.  What is the propper value of ((int) -1.5)  ?
[01:32] <Xgates> ok so what would I do or check not sure
[01:33] <ivoks> Xgates gnome-volume-properties
[01:33] <ivoks> Xgates gnome-volume-properties
[01:33] <ivoks> just run that
[01:33] <Xgates> k
[01:33] <Xgates> hmm
[01:34] <Xgates> Volume managemet not supported the hald service is required but not running
[01:34] <Xgates> hmm
[01:34] <Xgates> why not running odd
[01:34] <ivoks> Xgates /etc/init.d/hald restart
[01:34] <ivoks> did u chmod -x that too?
[01:34] <ivoks> :))
[01:35] <srid> I am creating debian package for anjuta, where should I host it?
[01:35] <Xgates> no odd there is no hald in there
[01:35] <srid> I mean Anjuta2
[01:35] <Xgates> I dont know what I uninstalled that would of removed it
[01:35] <ubuntu> uppps!!!!
[01:35] <Xgates> hmm
[01:35] <ivoks> Xgates then /etc/init.d/dbus* restart
[01:35] <ubuntu> hi & bye
[01:36] <Xgates> hmm
[01:36] <ik-ppc> hi
[01:37] <Xgates> started and I put a cd in and it spun up but no icon on the desktop for it
[01:37] <Xgates> darn
[01:37] <ivoks> apt-get install hald
[01:37] <ivoks> or something
[01:37] <Xgates> k
[01:37] <ivoks> i don't know, not running ubuntu right now
[01:37] <ik-ppc> i have a problem whith volumen control it says no mixer divecies
[01:38] <geogeo> hello dudes
[01:38] <Xgates> ivoks, odd they where installed already, hmm oh well I reinstalled
[01:39] <Xgates> brb
[01:39] <Xgates> ivoks, thanks again
[01:39] <Xgates> :-)
[01:39] <Xgates> ivoks, to bad I cant DCC ya a 6 pack
[01:39] <Xgates> lol
[01:40] <jorisK> Hello everyone, a easy question: how do i install a .deb file?
[01:40] <dcraven> jorisK: dpkg -i mypackage.deb
[01:41] <dcraven> jorisK: "man dpkg" for more info.
[01:42] <jorisK> I'm trying to start Looking Glass but it complains about my $OSTYPE, anyone that can tell me where to find this string ????
[01:42] <jorisK> and thnx dcraven
[01:42] <Myrtti> could somebody help me with a broken automount? please.
[01:43] <misieq> Seveas, as they said, i added "deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted" line in synaptic, but when it tries to refresh repo, i get following error:
[01:43] <jon273> eh?
[01:43] <misieq> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-extras/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 500 Internal Server Error
[01:43] <Seveas> backports stink
[01:43] <jon273> How come root can't access the key files in /etc/ssh ?
[01:43] <misieq> what should i do about it?
[01:43] <Seveas> backports stink a lot, even building from source or installing from marillat are better
[01:44] <Seveas> jon273, what's the error
[01:44] <jpfarias> hi!
[01:44] <chocoIate> back, still cant get to connect from ubuntu ; I have both an internal 56k modem and an external ISDN modem. i tried this --->> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto but nothing seems to happen when i type sudo pon in the terminal. I also tried to use WvDial as suggest by someone here but it fails with unable to detect modem :S
[01:44] <jon273> when i do ls/rm in /etc/ssh i get permission denied for the ket files
[01:44] <geogeo> hey dudes, anybody of you know why I can't use gcc ?
[01:44] <chocoIate> anybody got ideas :o
[01:44] <jorisK> geogeo, it's not installed by default
[01:44] <geogeo> I have to create some links with the libraries or ..?
[01:44] <Burgundavia> Seveas, hoary-extras is seperate fromt eh backports
[01:44] <Seveas> geogeo, maybe, if you say what's wrong eith it...
[01:44] <geogeo> I installed it
[01:44] <Burgundavia> Seveas, and is better than marilliat
[01:44] <geogeo> a lot of errors
[01:45] <geogeo> he can't find iostream, ie
[01:45] <geogeo> test.c:23: error: `x' undeclared (first use in this function)
[01:45] <geogeo> test.c:23: error: `y' undeclared (first use in this function)
[01:45] <geogeo> for endl, for cout...for all the functions
[01:45] <Seveas> jon273, try chmod'ing them first
[01:45] <Seveas> geogeo, did you #include <iostream>
[01:45] <geogeo> there is maybe a variable to export ?
[01:45] <geogeo> yeah of course
[01:46] <Seveas> geogeo, can you paste your test.c somewhere
[01:46] <dcraven> geogeo: did you install build-essential? You are using g++ I assume..
[01:46] <geogeo> build-essential ?
[01:46] <Xgates> say when I boot up now withouth the ntpdate I get it saying twice in the console loading the system clock from the system bios, hardware clock, why does it print this 2 times, and where can I edit this out?
[01:46] <Seveas> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:46] <dcraven> geogeo: Yeah.. You probably don't have g++ installed.
[01:46] <jon273> Seveas: i get permission denied when i try and chmod them too
[01:46] <Seveas> g++ -o testprog test.c
[01:46] <misieq> Seveas, in synaptic i get follwoing error when i try to install libavcodec2: "libavcodec2:
[01:46] <misieq>   Depends: libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[01:46] <misieq>   Depends: libvorbisenc2 (>=1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed"
[01:46] <misieq> should i install libvorbis then?
[01:46] <jorisK> I'm trying to run LG3D but when starting it complains my $OSTYPE is not set. Anyone that can tell me where i can define this variable in Hoary?
[01:47] <geogeo> II have installed g++
[01:47] <Seveas> jon273, are you sure you are root?
[01:47] <ivoks> jorisK export OSTYPE="Linux"
[01:47] <ivoks> bye, time to go
[01:47] <Seveas> misieq, hmm, dependency problems all over the place...
[01:47] <jon273> Seveas: absoluetly. I logged into console as root, a have also tried su - as my user
[01:48] <jorisK> ivoks, do i need to enter that in my bashrc?
[01:48] <misieq> and libvorbis is installed in most current version which is 1.0.1-1
[01:48] <Seveas> jon273, try chmod u+x /etc/ssh
[01:48] <ivoks> jorisK wouldn't hurt
[01:48] <misieq> should i download src and install it?
[01:48] <Seveas> misieq, i think it is best
[01:48] <geogeo> #include <iostream.h>
[01:48] <geogeo> void main()
[01:48] <geogeo> {
[01:48] <geogeo> cout << "coucou" << endl;
[01:48] <geogeo> }
[01:48] <jon273> Seveas: same..
[01:49] <Seveas> geogeo, fool :)
[01:49] <Seveas> #include <iostream>
[01:49] <Seveas> no .h in theree
[01:49] <dcraven> geogeo: Don't paste that kinda thing in here please.
[01:49] <misieq> starting with libvorbis? or just mplayer?
[01:49] <geogeo> it's the same ..!
[01:49] <geogeo> sorry dcraven
[01:49] <dcraven> int main
[01:49] <dcraven> return 0
[01:49] <Seveas> int main(int argc, char* argv[] )
[01:49] <Xgates> say in /etc/init.d ---> 'hwclockfirst.sh' & 'hwclock.sh' are these both used?
[01:49] <Xgates> looks about the same
[01:49] <Seveas> geogeo, read a c/c++ primer first...
[01:49] <dcraven> etc etc... Where did you get this example geogeo? It's a little dated.
[01:50] <geogeo> friend of mine
[01:50] <Seveas> jon273, can you ls -al /etc/ssh?
[01:50] <Seveas> geogeo, that friend of yours is a lousy programmer...
[01:50] <dcraven> geogeo: Well I would hope that wouldn't compile. It's incorrect.
[01:50] <cam_> isnt it
[01:50] <cam_> end 1;
[01:50] <geogeo> but it doesn't compile
[01:50] <jon273> Seveas: yeah, it lists some files, but gives permission denied for the key files
[01:50] <cam_> returns 1 to the end function
[01:50] <dcraven> geogeo: It's not supposed to.
[01:50] <cam_> =P
[01:50] <geogeo> ah ?
[01:51] <Seveas> cam_, stop talking nonsense
[01:51] <cam_> ;)
[01:51] <Seveas> jon273, can you paste the output of ls -al /etc/ssh on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[01:51] <geogeo> I've got a lot of errors, undeclared, num "undeclared"...
[01:51] <geogeo> I've missed some math library or ?
[01:51] <Seveas> geogeo, the friend who sent you that missed some clue
[01:52] <jon273> Seveas: i'm using irssi on an ssh session from ubuntu box - it's got no gui.
[01:52] <Seveas> jon273, in a private chat will do too
[01:52] <klaas> Good morning (at least in here.. ;-) )
[01:52] <jon273> Seveas: how can i cut/paste stuff using the console though?
[01:53] <Myrtti> can the use of mount break the automount?
[01:53] <iface> i am going to install gnome-cpufreq-applet, but if i accept it wants to deinstall gnome-applets, gnome-applets-data & ubuntu-desktop. so, what are the consequences if i proceed?
[01:53] <Seveas> jon273, good point, can't irssi do that? on xchat i have /exec -o :)
[01:53] <Xgates> hmm the RH installer ---> /etc/init.d/anacron
[01:53] <Xgates> lol
[01:53] <jon273> Seveas: i don't know, i hardly ever use irssi. I have no gui in this case, so I have to
[01:54] <Xgates> ahh anaconda I think RH calls it
[01:54] <Xgates> hehe
[01:54] <jorisK> anyone here that got Looking Glass working on his Ubuntu? I followed the forums howto but i'm receiving a strange error when starting up
[01:55] <Kels>  you guys think this distro would work on a 2002 hp laptop without adding anything im fairly new to linux?
[01:55] <Seveas> geogeo, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/41
[01:55] <Seveas> THAT is how you use c++
[01:55] <geogeo> ok thank you, I'll take a look
[01:55] <drcodedd2> hi all
[01:56] <klaas> I just ran into something I don't understand at all.. Somehow (without upgrade or other changes) the colour of my windows (using human theme) are all white... they used to be grey... can anyone help?
[01:56] <drcodedd2> any one know nntp reader for linux?
[01:56] <dcraven> geogeo: Compare your source with this source, which does compile --> http://arker.homelinux.org/~dcraven/test.cc
[01:56] <Fackamato> How do I make an initrd image?
[01:56] <drcodedd2> I mean gui?
[01:56] <Seveas> drcodedd2, pan
[01:56] <Xgates> is EVMS a part of LVM?
[01:56] <drcodedd2> thanx
[01:56] <Seveas> Fackamato, mkinitrd
[01:57] <jon273> I can't even remove the files as root, wtf is goin on?
[01:57] <andrewubuntu> Kels checkout http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ to see if anyone has installed any linux on your model
[01:57] <geogeo> Seveas, u rock
[01:57] <geogeo> dcraven, you too
[01:57] <Kels> hello?
[01:57] <Seveas> dcraven, using namespace std is more elegant imho ;)
[01:57] <klaas> hi
[01:57] <Kels> k
[01:58] <jon273> Seveas: ah, filesystem corruption
[01:58] <dcraven> Seveas: So I noticed :)
[01:58] <andrewubuntu> i installed 5.04 (hoary) on my moms compaq pressario 1900xl without a hitch
[01:58] <Seveas> jon273, fsck to the rescue (hopefully)
[01:58] <jon273> hm, brb
[01:58] <Seveas> Kels, on my hp/compag nc6000 it works like a charm
[01:59] <Tomcat_> andrewubuntu: That's good. :)
[01:59] <klaas> Kels: Works on my Dell Latitude 510.
[02:00] <klaas> Kels: Sorry I had to scroll back first to see your question.
[02:00] <madzzoni> Is it me or are the http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports down?? I get errors i synaptic
[02:01] <Seveas> madzzoni, backports is fubar again
[02:01] <andrewubuntu> except of course (heres the snag) im having problems with my printer. is an hp720c, which is a PPA (HP Closed standard, since abandoned) printer. I added it thru the add printer app in gnome (ubuntu) and it correctly setup PNMtoPPA
[02:01] <klaas> So.. has anybody had strange GTK2 behaviour such as I do? bakcground colours changing without any obvious change?
[02:01] <Kels> the only thing they got to work is mandrake i dont like mandrake :x
[02:01] <madzzoni> That mean's??
[02:02] <Seveas> madzzoni, that it's down :)
[02:02] <andrewubuntu> now i can spool a page to it, but it prints about 1 inch of the top of the page then hangs
[02:02] <andrewubuntu> but what it does print is correct...
[02:03] <andrewubuntu> [sorry so newbie but]  how should i troubleshoot this thing
[02:03] <Seveas> andrewubuntu, i had that once
[02:03] <tested1> when I do a sudo make && make modules_install I end up getting this mkdir: cannot create directory `/lib/modules/2.6.11': Permission denied
[02:03] <Seveas> i solved it with a hammer
[02:03] <Xgates> in Ubuntu for Grub do you add ide-cd on the end like:
[02:03] <Xgates> --> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10 root=/dev/hda7 ro quiet splash ide-cd
[02:03] <Seveas> and bought a new printer :)
[02:03] <Qoppa> nice hammer
[02:04] <madzzoni> OK, hope it will be back soon! (miss it)
[02:04] <andrewubuntu> hmmm well maybe ill pick one up at dayton
[02:04] <andrewubuntu> which printer did you get that worked so well?
[02:04] <Kels> what is acpi
[02:04] <Kels> ?
[02:05] <tested1> power management
[02:05] <klaas> Xgates: Is that a way to boot from your cd in grub?
[02:05] <dcraven> tested1: Run the second command as root too (sudo).
[02:05] <klaas> Doesn't look like it though. Do you know how to do that?
[02:05] <tested1>  H thanks
[02:05] <Kels> if i had a premade .config how do i install it
[02:06] <tested1> ubuntu uses it by default I believe
[02:06] <tested1> its generally part of the kernel
[02:06] <Xgates> klaas, no since in 2.6x ide-scsi is becoming outdated ide-cd is the new norm
[02:06] <Xgates> brb
[02:07] <andrewubuntu> anyone: best printer ever for ubuntu linux (need to setup my mom and it needs to work  ;)
[02:07] <jorisK> Anyone who knows how to see if Ubuntu is using software rendering or 3D rendering for my ATI card?
[02:07] <yahalom> how can i download language support .deb packages and burn them to cd?
[02:07] <jeroen_> yahalom, archive.ubuntu.com
[02:07] <dcraven> andrewubuntu: Epson Stylus.
[02:08] <yahalom> jeroen_: thanx
[02:08] <Seveas> yahalom, but beware, language-support packages need others too!
[02:08] <dcraven> andrewubuntu: That's an opinion btw.
[02:08] <Seveas> yahalom, which one do you need?
[02:08] <tested1> I use a epson stylus photo 960 works great with gimp-print and cups
[02:08] <yahalom> Seveas: hebrew
[02:09] <Zambba> How can I install libc6 2.3.2.ds1-21 ?
[02:09] <andrewubuntu> is so weird. this page (linuxprinting) http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_720C says that 720c with drivers works "Perfectly"
[02:09] <yahalom> Seveas: like openoffice-il
[02:09] <yahalom> Seveas: like kde-il
[02:09] <klaas> yahalom: apt-get -d {packages}, maybe it'll get the dependencies too.
[02:09] <yahalom> Seveas: stuff like that
[02:09] <andrewubuntu> i also have a stylus 740i, works fine with cups
[02:09] <Zambba> apt-get says the newest version is 2.3.2.ds1-20 but I need -21
[02:09] <geogeo> anyone here knows a little bit about fractals drawing ?
[02:09] <geogeo> or fractals programming
[02:09] <yahalom> klaas: the whole point is that i wont have an internet connection, so i need to make a cd with the language support to install on site
[02:09] <we2by> when I mouse over a mp3 file when browsing folders, can I configure my pc so it plays the file when I mouse over it>?
[02:09] <klaas> yahalom: If you run apt-get clean beforehand, you can find the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:09] <Determinist> any of you guys happens to know a nice file manager that has a two split panels? something like total commander for windows or an X compatible MC thing?
[02:10] <tridion> Determinist: try worker or gentoo
[02:10] <dcraven> Determinist: gnome-commander?
[02:10] <Seveas> yahalom, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/42 those packages make up language-support-he
[02:10] <klaas> yahalom: When you get them, burn them.
[02:10] <Determinist> tridion, gentoo? isnt that a distro? :)
[02:10] <Determinist> dcraven, thanks
[02:10] <jeroen_> Determinist, gentoo is a distro
[02:11] <Seveas> geogeo, there are LOTS of tutorials about that
[02:11] <klaas> yahalom: A filemanager as well.
[02:11] <Seveas> giyf :)
[02:11] <hybrid_school> Determinist: it is a distro that lets you do whatever
[02:11] <tridion> Determinist: yes but also a filemanager
[02:11] <dcraven> Determinist: But gentoo has a nice filemanager... lol
[02:11] <Determinist> ohh , i know that , but i missed the part that said how suggesting a distro is relevant for a filemanager :)
[02:11] <geogeo> yeah Seveas i see that, but a lot of c++ source files are failing while compiling
[02:11] <Determinist> ohh , ok , didnt know that
[02:11] <tridion> Determinist: http://www.obsession.se/gentoo/
[02:11] <hybrid_school> dcraven: heh
[02:11] <hybrid_school> doesnt gentoo mean penguin
[02:11] <Seveas> geogeo, maybe they need some libraries to be installed :)
[02:12] <jdub> it's a kind of penguin
[02:12] <dcraven> hybrid_school: It's a species.
[02:12] <hybrid_school> ah
[02:12] <hybrid_school> ok
[02:12] <tridion> Determinist: http://www.boomerangsworld.de/worker/  -- Worker
[02:12] <jdub> (some of the ubuntu servers are named after penguins - one of them is called gentoo...)
[02:12] <iface> #ubuntu-de
[02:12] <yahalom> Seveas: how to i acquire them now, in order to burn them?
[02:12] <hybrid_school> well i got to go to school see you all tonite
[02:12] <yahalom> Seveas: no way of apt-getting them and then burning right?
[02:12] <hybrid_school> g'bye
[02:13] <yahalom> klaas: file manager?
[02:13] <Seveas> yahalom, apt-get -d downloads them
[02:13] <dcraven> Man, I can't even get simple recursion to work this morning.. Maybe I should take the day off from programming.
[02:13] <Seveas> then you can find them in /var/lib/apt/
[02:13] <klaas> yahalom: Sorry, wrong name.. other discussion.
[02:13] <yahalom> klaas: np
[02:13] <trondd> The gentoo distro is not the same as the gentoo file manager!!!
[02:13] <yahalom> Seveas: i have them already. i need them for another pc that has no internet connection.
[02:14] <Seveas> then you can find them in /var/lib/apt/ :)
[02:14] <w0wie> splashimage=(hd2,1)/grub/FILE.xpm.gz <-- does that mean on grub hdc2 or hdc1?
[02:14] <yahalom> Seveas: so just copy them from there and burn them?
[02:14] <Seveas> w0wie, it would be hdb3 in linux language
[02:14] <klaas> yahalom: Yup
[02:14] <Seveas> hdc2 i mean, sorry
[02:15] <w0wie> Seveas: heh then http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork has an error which confused me
[02:15] <Seveas> yahalom, yes indeed, just the .deb files
[02:15] <yahalom> Seveas: no .deb in there man
[02:15] <srid> Anjuta2 Compiled! http://www.livejournal.com/users/seedar/10893.html
[02:15] <Determinist> ohh , that's nice , a filemanager that has dependencies with 22 different packages , who the hell writes these things?
[02:15] <Seveas> yahalom, /var/lib/apt/archives then :)
[02:15] <klaas> Maybe in your working dir.
[02:15] <yahalom> Seveas: i have two dir: lists and periodic
[02:15] <H3LLRAIS3> hello
[02:15] <Seveas> w0wie, thxs, i'll correct it
[02:16] <w0wie> if i stuff up my boot manager how do i boot into ubuntu via the cd
[02:16] <yahalom> Seveas: No such file or directory
[02:16] <w0wie> Seveas: np
[02:16] <klaas> yahalom: #apt-get clean && apt-get -d {packages} && cp /var/cache/apt/archives/* .
[02:16] <jpfarias> hey
[02:16] <Determinist> anyone ever attempted using xcompmgr and transset with an intel GFX card and not an Nvidia one according to the tutorial on the forums?
[02:16] <yahalom> klaas: what will that do?
[02:16] <jpfarias> can I use debian packages on ubuntu?
[02:17] <Seveas> yahalom, exactly what you want :)
[02:17] <yahalom> jpfarias: u are using debian packages on ubuntu :)
[02:17] <Seveas> jpfarias, it's possible but not recommended
[02:17] <Seveas> yahalom, not really
[02:17] <jpfarias> hehe
[02:17] <klaas> yahalom: Clear the downoaded packages, download the required packages, and copy them to the current dir.
[02:17] <Seveas> jpfarias, what do you want to install
[02:17] <jpfarias> gazpacho
[02:17] <yahalom> Seveas: ? slightly modified?
[02:17] <jpfarias> and pygme
[02:17] <dcraven> Determinist: The people who write those things are the people that don't want to code the same crap that others have already coded all over again.
[02:18] <jpfarias> it appears they are not at ubuntu repositories
[02:18] <yahalom> klaas: u wanted me to copy it the way it was?
[02:18] <Seveas> yahalom, modified, rebuilt, made stable, derooted, patched...
[02:18] <yahalom> Seveas: ah ok
[02:18] <Determinist> dcraven, well , ok , that's fine and nice , but 22 dependencies? i mean , it's just a frontend that runs shell commands , how the hell could it possibly need 22 different libraries that arent even included with ubuntu by default with it's full-blown gnome?
[02:18] <yahalom> jpfarias: sorry man :)
[02:19] <klaas> yahalom: all packages that are downloaded through apt are stored in /var/cache/apt/archives.
[02:19] <Seveas> jpfarias gazpacho is
[02:19] <Determinist> dcraven, it's a nice filemanager tho , i'll give it that :)
[02:19] <Seveas> dunno about pygme
[02:19] <klaas> yahalom: apt-get clean removes all packages from that directory. they are not needed since they're already installed.
[02:19] <yahalom> klaas: i get u, just it said that {packages} doesn exist
[02:19] <jpfarias> apt-cache search gazpacho returns nothing
[02:19] <geogeo> thank you dude for assisting me \o/
[02:19] <geogeo> have a good day
[02:19] <Seveas> it does here :)
[02:19] <dcraven> Determinist: It's just a front end to shell commands?
[02:19] <Seveas> it's in universe, have you enabled that jpfarias ?
[02:19] <jpfarias> Seveas, what repository?
[02:20] <klaas> yahalom: {packages} should be replaced with the packages you need..
[02:20] <jpfarias> Seveas, no
[02:20] <jpfarias> Seveas, how do I enable it?
[02:20] <norbert> hello
[02:20] <Seveas> see AddingRepositoriesHowto on the wiki
[02:20] <yahalom> klaas: oj
[02:20] <Fackamato> /dev/hda2       /mnt/hda2       auto    exec,rw,user,notail,noatime     0       1
[02:20] <norbert> Are anybody from Poland?
[02:20] <yahalom> klaas: ok
[02:20] <Seveas> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:20] <Fackamato> why isn't this partition mounted with exec permissions?
[02:20] <Seveas> Fackamato, depends on the fstype...
[02:21] <jpfarias> found it on sources.list
[02:21] <jpfarias> ;)
[02:21] <Seveas> jpfarias, :)
[02:21] <Xgates> I dont get this in /var/log/messages and syslog I get this --> No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled.
[02:21] <Determinist> dcraven, yeah ... i mean , why would it possibly need to do anything else? it reads filenames , offers you to delete , rename , copy etc , these are things one could do with ... zenity and php , if one was bored enough , but surely not require 22 different libraries to have it done
[02:21] <Fackamato> Seveas: reiserfs
[02:21] <Seveas> jpfarias, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38 is a complete sources.list for ubuntu
[02:21] <Xgates> and in the kernel I compiled I compiled that in -->  [*]    Automatic kernel module loading
[02:21] <klaas> yahalom: you might want to create a new dir. in your homedirectory and run the commands from within that directory. there.
[02:21] <dcraven> Determinist: I'll assume you don't do much programming ;P
[02:23] <jpfarias> Seveas, thanks
[02:23] <Determinist> dcraven, havent done any C programming under linux yet , no , but i did write my share of win32 apps and quite afew php/perl scripts
[02:23] <Xgates> why is it saying  No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled. when I have the kernel mods enabled
[02:23] <Xgates> hmm
[02:23] <Determinist> dcraven, i may be using the wrong concepts , but please enlighten me if you can , i'll be more than happy to learn anything new i can
[02:25] <Seveas> Determinist, under windows almost everything is compiled statically apart from some windows dlls, under linux there are much more shared libraries which are in their own packages
[02:25] <Seveas> saves a lot of space
[02:25] <Di42lo> What is the name of the pkg contains the C documents ?
[02:26] <we2by> can configure gnome so that hen I mouse over a audio file, it begins to play it?
[02:26] <Flav> Di42lo: gcc-doc
[02:27] <dcraven> Di42lo: If you mean man pages, they're in glibc-doc.
[02:27] <Determinist> Seveas, alright , that seems logical , but correct me if i'm wrong , wouldnt linking the required libs statically be better space-wise than having to install 22 full libs for a function or two in each just to get it done? i mean , since space isnt that much of a function these days i could see how that could be simple programming , but still , not very efficient resource-wise
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[02:27] <marcin_ant> norbert: hi
[02:27] <jbailey> dcraven: glibc-doc doesn't have manpages, look in manpages-dev
[02:27] <Determinist> gonna stop giving you nice lads a headache now , i think.
[02:28] <Fackamato> why isn't this partition mounted with exec permissions? It's reiserfs. /dev/hda2       /mnt/hda2       auto    exec,rw,user    0       2
[02:28] <dcraven> jbailey: Oh. I know the pthread manpages are in there because I had to install it to get them. I assumed the others were in there too.
[02:29] <jbailey> dcraven: Eh?  Hmm.  I thought we didn't ship any with and had pushed them into manpages-dev, too.
[02:29] <jbailey> dcraven: Upstream doesn't maintain them, so we've avoided including them.
[02:29] <Xgates> say where do you get libdvdcss?
[02:29] <dcraven> jbailey: no biggie. It was a bugger to find them though :)
[02:30] <klaas> Xgates: add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main to your apt-sources.
[02:30] <xukun_> I wonder if you guys use virus tools or firewalls for ubuntu?
[02:30] <Xgates> ahh thats what I thought
[02:30] <Xgates> :-)
[02:30] <Xgates> klaas, thanks
[02:30] <jeroen_> xukun, no virus tools
[02:30] <we2by> can configure gnome so that hen I mouse over a audio file, it begins to play it?
[02:30] <Fackamato> xukun: no, no reason
[02:31] <jeroen_> I use a firewall though
[02:31] <klaas> we2by: No idea.
[02:31] <H3LLRAIS3> hello
[02:31] <xukun_> which one
[02:31] <xukun_> ?
[02:31] <H3LLRAIS3> i was reading breezy features on distrowatch
[02:31] <H3LLRAIS3> i like to contribute
[02:31] <H3LLRAIS3> how doi i go about...
[02:31] <jeroen_> iptables
[02:31] <Flav> xukun_: clamav is pretty popular as a virus scanner
[02:32] <xukun_> Flav, thanks
[02:32] <jeroen_> Flav, that's a windows virusscanner, right?
[02:32] <jeroen_> windows-virusses scanner
[02:32] <H3LLRAIS3> haha
[02:33] <xukun_> jeroen_, iptables he?
[02:33] <H3LLRAIS3> I was reading breezy features and I want to contribute to it in some way - I am working as a network administrator
[02:33] <Xgates> klaas, say you know where the Ubuntu URL is for dealing with marillat and public key errors the commands to run so you dont have to deal with it
[02:33] <Xgates> I remember reading that
[02:33] <Xgates> forgot the URL though
[02:34] <jeroen_> xukun, yep
[02:34] <klaas> Xgates: I think marillat doesn't publish a gpg-key.
[02:34] <xukun_> jeroen_, I have no knowlegde of iptables, but I would like to learn one day
[02:34] <klaas> Xgates: It's actually a debian repos. and Debian doesn't use gpg by default.
[02:34] <H3LLRAIS3> iptables r simple
[02:35] <H3LLRAIS3> just read on how to add rules and thats it
[02:35] <xukun_> H3LLRAIS3, read where?
[02:35] <jeroen_> xukun_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IptablesHowTo
[02:35] <dcraven> H3LLRAIS3: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate
[02:35] <H3LLRAIS3> google it dear
[02:35] <xukun_> jeroen_, thanks
[02:35] <klaas> xukun_: Try shorewall..
[02:35] <H3LLRAIS3> thx
[02:35] <xukun_> H3LLRAIS3, yes dear
[02:35] <Xgates> klaas, I think this is what I mean
[02:36] <Xgates> gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907
[02:36] <Xgates> gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
[02:36] <Xgates> sudo apt-get update
[02:36] <xukun_> klaas, what is that?
[02:36] <wnight> dmesg is full of smb_lookup: find foo/bar.jpg failed, error=-512. and usb 3-3: canon timed out on ep0in, followed by many similar FAT: Directory bread(block 485) failed errors. ANy ideas?
[02:36] <klaas> xukun_: A wrapper for iptables.
[02:36] <klaas> xukun_: It's really nice.
[02:37] <xukun_> klaas, ok
[02:37] <jeroen_> klaas, sounds nice
[02:37] <klaas> Xgates: Don't know, I've never really used gpg for apt, and in ubuntu all works well by default. The only thing i did with it was when i had to (was forced) to install a fedora machine.
[02:38] <H3LLRAIS3> i think in fedora u can user rpm to import keys
[02:38] <klaas> H3LLRAIS3: I believe I used that yes.
[02:39] <Orunitia> if I wanted to dual boot another linux distro with ubuntu, could I use the same swap partition for both?
[02:39] <klaas> Xgates: Anyway, I just enter 'y' everytime an update from debian-marillat comes popping up.
[02:39] <jeroen_> Orunitia, yes
[02:39] <Determinist> is there a way to create a link that'll start an application with root permissions? similiar to what would happen if i opened a root terminal and execute an application?
[02:40] <Orunitia> thanks
[02:40] <mjr> Orunitia, yes, unless you wish to hibernate one and boot the other
[02:40] <jeroen_> Determinist, gksudo blabla
[02:40] <Determinist> thanks
[02:40] <Orunitia> mjr, no I just feel like messing around with different distros
[02:40] <klaas> Determinist: What are the current permissions of the target binary?
[02:41] <Xgates> klaas, yeah thats the ones you need to type in
[02:41] <Xgates> :-)
[02:41] <Xgates> they worl
[02:41] <Xgates> work ...
[02:41] <Xgates> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[02:41] <Xgates> under ---> Repositories
[02:41] <Xgates> :-)
[02:42] <klaas> Xgates: I don't understand really.. sorry.
[02:42] <Xgates> klaas, its a public key issue
[02:43] <klaas> Xgates: I'm opening the URL you passed as we speak.. ;-)
[02:43] <Xgates> when you add in marillat and run Synaptic you'll get a public key error in it
[02:43] <Xgates> but you run those commands for a key and it stops the error
[02:43] <Xgates> :-)
[02:44] <klaas> Xgates: will this work if i only add the stable branch as well?
[02:44] <klaas> Xgates: Most likely eh..
[02:45] <Xgates> klaas, well the stable branch from what I gather doesnt have this pgp thing going on
[02:45] <Determinist> klaas, gksudo is what i needed , thanks tho :)
[02:45] <wnight> How can I delete a file or directory when gam_server is holding it open? The file manager I viewed the directory with is closed.
[02:45] <Xgates> damm in Slack when I use to use Xine for a DVD I'd open the control pop in a DVD and click the dvd button to start playing
[02:45] <Xgates> now it starts the DVD just for a beginning intro then stops
[02:45] <Xgates> hmm
[02:46] <Xgates> I thought libdvdcss was the issue
[02:46] <makkia> come si pronuncia jigit ?
[02:46] <makkia> ops
[02:46] <makkia> sorry
[02:47] <klaas> Xgates: do you have these packages: libdvdcss2, libdvdnav4, libdvdread3?
[02:49] <Xgates> ok I dont think I have those all installed let me check
[02:50] <joe|code> Galeon runs so much faster than Firefox on my pc. Is that common?
[02:50] <Determinist> ya know , i feel like really thanking the guys who wrote this system sometimes , it's just so great *sniff*
[02:50] <Xgates> klaas, yes all installed
[02:51] <klaas> Xgates: Do you have dma enabled on your dvd-drive?
[02:51] <Tallia1> hi guys..........:!
[02:51] <klaas> Hi
[02:51] <linux_galore> joe|code: depends on the version of Firefox.........also firefox runs this nasty startup script that slow its down because it has to define the system resources before it runs the binary
[02:51] <Xgates> klaas, ahh maybe not
[02:52] <Xgates> klaas, darn I dont remember the DMa commands
[02:52] <linux_galore> I found the older version of firefox a bit slower the enw stuff is very fast
[02:52] <klaas> Xgates: hdparm -d1 /dev/{yourdrive}
[02:52] <linux_galore> new*
[02:52] <Xgates> k
[02:52] <klaas> Xgates: hdparm -i /dev/{yourdrive} for info.
[02:52] <joe|code> linux_galore, I am going to try out Galeon as my main browser for a while. It is speeding right along. = )
[02:52] <Benjamin_L> is there anything to avoid the following errors using firefox 1.0+ nightlies: http://vorbis.audiohq.de/error.txt
[02:53] <linux_galore> joe|code: yeah only hassle with galeon is its tied to mozilla.....so if you update mozilla you have to update galeon so your stuck on an old version of mozilla until the galeon folks update too
[02:54] <klaas> Does anybody know when firefox 1.0.4 will be released on hoary? I can't install extentions anymore gr....
[02:54] <jacquesmerde> how does one change the default screen resolution for gnome manually? using the preferences gui doesnt seem to work for me (changes only for the current session, even if i save said session)
[02:54] <linux_galore> klaas: just download firefox and install it......only takes like 10 seconds on any Linux machine
[02:54] <Xgates> klaas, ---> http://pastebin.com/285099
[02:55] <crofty> i am having problems with a netgear FA311 pci network card on ubuntu
[02:55] <klaas> linux_galore: I'd rather do so through apt, keeps things central.
[02:55] <jeroen_> klaas, no fx 1.0.4 for hoary
[02:55] <linux_galore> klaas: just install it in /home  doesnt effect apt   that way
[02:55] <klaas> Xgates: run as root.
[02:56] <crofty> my unbuntu installation is seeing the FA311 network card when i do lspci
[02:56] <klaas> linux_galore: /usr/local then..
[02:56] <crofty> but will not activate in the GUI network tool thingy
[02:56] <linux_galore> klaas: when you finally update firefox with apt just delete the /home/user_name/Documants/firefox-install/  directory  no big deal
[02:58] <joe|code> Openoffice or Gnome Office. which is better?
[02:58] <klaas> linux_galore: I know howto, but it's not my primary choice to bypass the package-management system.
[02:58] <jeroen_> joe|code, OOo has better support for .doc
[02:58] <klaas> loe|code: You'll have to find out what _YOU_ like better.
[02:58] <linux_galore> klaas: what I do is download the tarbball  save it to /home/user_name/Documents  then unpack it with  tar zxvf firefox*gz  then run the  firefox-install  script  then create a ling on the gnome task bar to  /home/user_name/Documents/firefox-install/firefox   works a treat
[02:59] <linux_galore> klaas: doesnt bypass anything
[02:59] <linux_galore> klaas: there is no package installed so nothing is bypassed
[03:00] <jeffco> hi everyone. which program in ubuntu should i open in order to play Windows Media Audio?
[03:00] <IIIEars> ation wants to install and run as root. - VERY BAD! - can you point me to the right wiki?
[03:00] <klaas> linux_galore: Not really a bypass, but you're installing software without apt. I like to keep things centralized. I will install the tarball, but I'd rather install a .deb.
[03:00] <merriam> linux_galore: no proper package is installed, so package management is bypassed.
[03:00] <jeffco> By the way, i have XINE.
[03:00] <Xgates> klaas, I did run those as root
[03:00] <merriam> linux_galore: but I agree it's not a big deal in the case of firefox.
[03:00] <IIIEars> an application wants to install and run as root. - VERY BAD! - can you point me to the right wiki?
[03:00] <klaas> Xgates: sorry, I saw a $ at the prompt.
[03:01] <klaas> Xgates: Instead of #.
[03:01] <Xgates> ;p
[03:01] <linux_galore> merriam: no wrong........all Ive done is created a ling to a temporary user space app.....if I type firefox at the command line I still get the default version of firefox not the temporary version
[03:01] <Xgates> klaas, I know one of the guys before ran this on his cdrom --> sudo hdparm -d1 -X34 /dev/cdrom
[03:01] <linux_galore> link*
[03:01] <DunkMaster> hallo
[03:01] <Mirv> jeffco: WMA is proprietary audio format, usage of Ogg Vorbis or other open, free audio format is encouraged. you may see if http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats can help you to hack your computer to play WMAs
[03:02] <jeroen_> hallo, DunkMaster
[03:02] <DunkMaster> where can i find my fat32 partitioned HDD? hdb
[03:02] <merriam> linux_galore: I know.  I do that too.  But I'd rather do it right, using apt.
[03:02] <jeroen_> you want to read/write it?
[03:02] <DunkMaster> both
[03:02] <klaas> Xgates: that's enableinng dma, and setting the mode to udma2.
[03:02] <jeffco> mirv, i read the page, and it has a heading called Windows media audio, but no instructionns.
[03:02] <linux_galore> merriam: if i update firefox with apt it still updates....zero conflicts because its not installed on the system nor is the new version in my path
[03:03] <linux_galore> merriam: i rather have a secure system
[03:03] <klaas> Xgates: I think it's enabled.
[03:03] <Mirv> jeffco: I think following the MPlayer installation instructions will give you WMA playback (even though MPlayer is primarily a video player, it is able to play audio only files too)
[03:04] <merriam> linux_galore: the non-apt method is more secure?
[03:04] <jeroen_> DunkMaster, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/
[03:04] <DunkMaster> ty Jeroen_
[03:04] <klaas> linux_galore: I't no problem having it in your ${PATH} the order of precedence works on the ${PATH} variable.
[03:04] <linux_galore> actually there is a mozilla-mplayer  plugin that allows wma stuff to stream in the browser
[03:04] <jeffco> mirv, how do i load up rhythmbox?
[03:04] <jeffco> Mirv, i can't find it in "Sound and Video".
[03:05] <IIIEars> .
[03:05] <linux_galore> mplayerplugin-1.0-0.pre2.1
[03:05] <Xgates> klaas, hmm I got this from a term --> libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c:669
[03:06] <Xgates> let me try another dvd
[03:06] <Mirv> jeffco: hmm, rhythmbox should be installed by default. do you use some other language besides english? it might be just "music player" or something
[03:06] <IIIEars> how do i modify a program to run as any user other than root?
[03:06] <Mirv> jeffco: anyway, I don't know how to make rhythmbox play WMAs
[03:06] <jeffco> Mirv,  you're right: it's called "music player".
[03:06] <stuNNed> jeffco: you need the gstreamer mad plugin right?
[03:06] <jeffco> stuNNed, do i ?
[03:07] <stuNNed> jeffco: yes, think so
[03:07] <linux_galore> need win32-codecs-1.6-3
[03:07] <linux_galore> for wma
[03:07] <jeroen_> IIIEars, gksudo programname
[03:08] <jeroen_> IIIEars, sorry
[03:08] <jeroen_> IIIEars, I am wrong
[03:08] <jeroen_> IIIEars, wasn't paying attention
[03:08] <IIIEars> Whew! - Thank You - i was about to chmod it everything from 1 to 777 (that woulda' taken some time - grin)
[03:09] <joe|code> Is there an alternative to have video support in your browser without installing Mplayer and its plugins?
[03:09] <Xgates> klaas, hmm odd libdvdread didnt like that DVD was all
[03:09] <Xgates> klaas, thanks
[03:09] <Xgates> brb
[03:10] <IIIEars> The program wants to save it's config in the root folder - i don't think Ubuntu allows that.
[03:10] <jeffco> linux_galore,  do i just get mozilla-mplayer? or do i also need win32-codecs-1.6-3? what do you make of stuNNed 's advice to get gstreamer?
[03:10] <jeffco> linux_galore, mozilla equals firefox?
[03:11] <jeroen_> IIIEars, why not?
[03:11] <jeroen_> IIIEars, I have written in the root dir
[03:11] <IIIEars> Ah - well this is linux - i can find a dozen other apps to do the same thing
[03:11] <klaas> Xgates: OK, that's bad... but the rest works I hope..
[03:12] <jeffco> IIIEars, you talking to me?
[03:12] <IIIEars> jeroen - Thanks
[03:13] <jeffco> stuNNed, accdng to synaptic, i've already downloaded gstreamer0.8-mad.
[03:14] <jeffco> does that mean i can play windows media audio now?
[03:14] <jeffco> if so, how+
[03:14] <stuNNed> jeffco: did you commit your download in synaptic?
[03:14] <jeffco> ?
[03:14] <stuNNed> jeffco: that will be only for mp3 afaik
[03:14] <jeffco> stunned, i don't remember.
[03:14] <jeffco> maybe i did it in terminal.
[03:14] <stuNNed> jeffco: you want to play .wma's in rb?
[03:14] <jacquesmerde> how does one change the default screen resolution for gnome manually? using the preferences gui doesnt seem to work for me (changes only for the current session, even if i save said session)
[03:15] <jeffco> sure, or just in firefox. doesn't matter. Is one better than another? is one less complicated than the other? what do you recommend, stuNNed ?
[03:15] <stuNNed> jacquesmerde: tried unchecking 'make this default on this comptuer only' ?
[03:16] <stuNNed> jeffco: you will need nonfree proprietary codecs to play DRM'd .wma's
[03:16] <stuNNed> jeffco: win32codecs and mplayerplug-in should do it for firefox
[03:16] <stuNNed> or w32codecs, rather
[03:16] <stuNNed> jeffco: did you see the restricted formats page on the wiki?
[03:16] <jacquesmerde> stuNNed, it says "make this default setting for [user] ". (no "only") i've tried checking and unchecking. why would unchecking help?
[03:16] <jacquesmerde> i only run it with one user
[03:17] <stuNNed> jacquesmerde: afaik if checked it only saves for that session
[03:17] <jeffco> stuNNed, yes. and then i came here to get additional assistance. that page wasn't clear for me.
[03:17] <jeffco> stuNNed, i can't find "win32codecs" in synaptic.
[03:17] <stuNNed> jeffco: you need to add the repositories that will give you access to the codecs
[03:17] <jacquesmerde> stuNNed, is that  a bug?
[03:18] <stuNNed> jacquesmerde: don't think so
[03:18] <stuNNed> jacquesmerde: you can try and run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' if you want to do it manually
[03:18] <jacquesmerde> stuNNed, i cant just edit a .conf?
[03:18] <jeffco> stuNNed, i have all multi and universe added already. could it be that it has a different name?
[03:18] <stuNNed> jacquesmerde: sure, xorg.conf in /etc/X11/
[03:18] <klaas> jeffco: scroll up, I've just covered the repository for w32codecs with Xgates.
[03:19] <jacquesmerde> stuNNed, what that check-box says is the exact opposite of this-sesion-only...and its NOT a bug?
[03:19] <DunkMaster> Jeroen_
[03:19] <stuNNed> jeffco: w32codecs aren't in multi and universe
[03:19] <DunkMaster> are you still here?
[03:19] <stuNNed> jacquesmerde: i don't think it's a bug, i know i was confused about it too :)
[03:19] <jeroen_> DunkMaster, yes
[03:19] <DunkMaster> ty very much it worked
[03:19] <jacquesmerde> stuNNed, you mean comment out all but one resolution in xorg.conf? or is there some way to set a default, one that gnome will use?
[03:19] <DunkMaster> ok, but will i be able to boot that partition from GRUB?
[03:19] <klaas> jeffco: add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main" to your /etc/apt/sources
[03:20] <stuNNed> jacquesmerde: really, the gui resolution changer should do it for you
[03:20] <jacquesmerde> stuNNed, but i have to UNcheck the box?
[03:20] <stuNNed> jacquesmerde: yes
[03:20] <stuNNed> jacquesmerde: then apply
[03:20] <jeffco> klaas, how do i, a 3 day old Ubuntu baby, do that?
[03:20] <stuNNed> klaas: those repo's are for hoary?
[03:20] <jacquesmerde> then make sure when i exit that session, i for once "save current session"?
[03:21] <jeroen_> DunkMaster, that's something different
[03:21] <stuNNed> jacquesmerde: that shouldn't matter
[03:21] <klaas> stuNNed: Not using hoary? sorry.
[03:21] <jeffco> klaas, according to synaptic, i already have w32codecs.
[03:21] <jeroen_> DunkMaster, do you know it's name (hda1 for example)?
[03:21] <stuNNed> klaas: yes i am, can i use those repo's with hoary?
[03:21] <klaas> stuNNed: Yes.
[03:21] <stuNNed> klaas: ok thanks
[03:22] <jeffco> so i guess i now just need to get mozilla-mplayer, right, stuNNed, klaas? Will mozilla-mplayer work withFirefox?
[03:22] <klaas> stuNNed:  Check out: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:22] <klaas> jeffco: yes.
[03:22] <klaas> jeffco: That URL can help you to adding the sources list.
[03:23] <jeffco> klaas, i remember seeing marillat in my list yesterday. but i deleted it (after getting Xine) coz i was scared.
[03:24] <Xgates> well Totem has always seemed like crap for a FE to Xine, but anyhow thought I might play with it, but when I stick in a dvd it pops up then says "Totem could not play 'dvd://' there is no plugin to handle this movie/
[03:24] <klaas> jeffco: marrilat is OK.
[03:24] <Xgates> hmm
[03:24] <klaas> Xgates: dit you install totem-xine?
[03:24] <Xgates> klaas, yeah
[03:24] <klaas> Xgates: That's good, gstreamer's not quite usable.
[03:25] <Xgates> it was gstreamer by default but YEAH Gs no good at all
[03:25] <Xgates> :-)
[03:25] <DunkMaster> Jeroen_ its hdb1
[03:25] <sean13> Hey
[03:25] <jeffco> i have a Question for all. Ive been getting stuff (via Synaptic, via terminal sudo get). I can remember some stuff, but not all the stuff I've gotten. Is there a way to pull up a list of all the changes I've made? I think knowing this is handy, do delete stuff that may not be necessary or wanted anymore.
[03:26] <sean13> I'm following the Ubuntu guide to try and get mp3 playback to work but w32codecs isn't in the repositories anymore
[03:27] <klaas> jeffco: There's no changelog as far as I know, but you cat get the total of installed/removed packages with: #dpkg --get-selections
[03:27] <karljp> What sort of processor speeds should you need for dvd playing?  I've got a 1.5gig pentium-M, and I need to close just about everything down to watch dvds in xine
[03:27] <klaas> jeffco: # = root prompt.
[03:27] <karljp> the load average is up around 1, and after about an hour, the audio sync goes off.
[03:28] <karljp> I can pause, let it sit for a minute, and then unpause and it will be ok again.
[03:28] <Xgates> klaas, I can get Xine to play but not totem
[03:28] <sean13> anyone know where I can get w32codecs?
[03:28] <karljp> dma is turned on for the drive.
[03:28] <HiddenWolf> karljp, pentium m is a severely handicapped processor under OSS software
[03:28] <Xgates> hmm might just RIP out STOMP on and hack the TOTEM website
[03:28] <karljp> :(  It's a lovely one in windows
[03:28] <Xgates> LMAO
[03:28] <karljp> you got a link with any further info hidden?
[03:28] <klaas> Xgates: That's wierd, did you run totem from within a terminal?
[03:28] <Xgates> klaas, ahh let me try that
[03:28] <jacquesmerde> another question: when i start a new app it seems to take a long time to load. (everything else seems perfectly speedy though). when i open a new app while keeping an eye on system resources, ram swap memory barely budge, CPU usage oscillates, but never hits 100%, whats my bottleneck here?
[03:29] <HiddenWolf> karljp, pentium m didn't get nearly enough love in gcc, so it performs under par
[03:29] <karljp> do you know if this is something that's expected to change in the future?
[03:29] <Xgates> sean13, add this to your source.list --> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main
[03:29] <HiddenWolf> karljp, might be better in gcc4 => breezy => october, but no promises
[03:29] <karljp> also, shouldn't that only affect my compiles?  not someone elses?
[03:29] <sean13> Xgates: ok thanks
[03:30] <karljp> or does all x86 gcc output do bad tings for pentium-m?
[03:30] <Xgates> sean13, then RUN these
[03:30] <Xgates> gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907
[03:30] <klaas> Xgates: Time to write a wiki???
[03:30] <Xgates> gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
[03:30] <Xgates> sudo apt-get update
[03:30] <Xgates> hehe
[03:30] <HiddenWolf> karljp, I'm just qouting anandtech, they did some research
[03:30] <jeffco> linux_galore, klaas,  WMAis  not working. Firefox asked me if I want to open the .Wax file. I choose "open with /usr/bin/gmplayer (default). Then Gmplayer program opens. Then an error window: "New_face failed. maybe the font path is wrong. Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf)
[03:30] <karljp> thanks, just found that link and am going to have a read
[03:31] <klaas> jeffco: Sorry, now idea by the way what's a wax file???
[03:31] <klaas> jeffco: Is it a stream of something?
[03:31] <jeffco> correction: Not gmplayer, but mplayer. linux_galore, klaas. Yes, it's a Windows Media Audio Stream, I believe.
[03:32] <klaas> jeffco: Too bad people use such crap..
[03:32] <cam__> whats the php module named?
[03:32] <cam__> apache2-php ?
[03:32] <cam__> like for apt-get
[03:33] <DunkMaster> erm
[03:33] <klaas> cam__: apt-get show apache2-php
[03:33] <Xgates> klaas, --> http://pastebin.com/285110
[03:33] <Xgates> klaas, perms maybe
[03:33] <Xgates> BUT thats odd
[03:33] <DunkMaster> it wont open MP3 files from the windows partition
[03:33] <klaas> cam__: probably mod-php for apach2
[03:33] <Xgates> then that Xine runs
[03:33] <Xgates> hmm
[03:33] <klaas> haha
[03:33] <DunkMaster> whats the problem?
[03:34] <cam__> klaas: show isnt valid
[03:34] <klaas> cam__: sorry apt-cache show apache2-php
[03:34] <Kimppa> Hello. Is here anyone who knows how to get rid of EVERYTHING related with X?
[03:34] <Xgates> sure you got the right settings in fstab
[03:34] <Kimppa> long story, so just tell me if there anyone willing to help
[03:34] <cam__> cant locate it
[03:34] <DunkMaster> i think so
[03:34] <jeffco> anybody, help with getting mplayer to play Windows Media Audio (streaming). I have the codecs already.
[03:35] <Kimppa> I've already had 3 people on this and we're all out of ideas
[03:35] <Xgates> klaas, what ya think of that pastebin?
[03:35] <klaas> Xgates: are you in the cdrom group?
[03:35] <Xgates> hmm
[03:35] <klaas> Xgates: $id
[03:35] <Xgates> let me look
[03:35] <DunkMaster> There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "file:///mnt/win98/music/rap/other%20rap/Xzibit%20-%20Alkaholik.mp3", you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[03:35] <Amaranth> morning
[03:35] <DunkMaster> that what it gives me on all MP3s
[03:35] <Xgates> klaas, cdrom:x:24:xgates,hal
[03:36] <cam__> lib-apache2-mod-php4
[03:36] <Amaranth> DunkMaster: You need the gstreamer-faad package
[03:36] <klaas> Xgates: did you select the correct drive in totem's preferences?
[03:36] <DunkMaster> apt-get?
[03:36] <Kimppa> anyone?
[03:36] <Xgates> klaas, let me check it again
[03:37] <Amaranth> DunkMaster: Yeah, if you have universe enabled.
[03:37] <klaas> Kimmpa: What do you want?
[03:37] <klaas> Kimmpa: A clean install without X?
[03:37] <Kimppa> long story, but the short version is that non of the desktops I have installed will work
[03:37] <Kimppa> I can get to the login screen, but no further than that
[03:38] <klaas> Kimmpa: X won't start?
[03:38] <DunkMaster> wtf, i cant set 1024*768 resolution
[03:38] <Thazza> Is there a way to make XMMS connect to a smb:// share?
[03:38] <DunkMaster> it does not have that option
[03:38] <Kimppa> klaas: long story... but it's all messed up
[03:38] <klaas> Thazza: mount it...
[03:38] <Xgates> klaas, RoFL you want me to BEND over so you can give me DA BOOT
[03:38] <Xgates> LOL
[03:38] <Kimppa> if I try to login, x will just reboot
[03:38] <Thazza> Or in turn, a way to make a mount to a dir.
[03:38] <Xgates> klaas, sheesh
[03:38] <Kimppa> and return to the login screen
[03:38] <Xgates> klaas, had it on the cdrom not the dvdrom
[03:39] <Kimppa> so if someone can help me to get a clean install without x, and then help reinstalling x, I would REALLY appreciate it
[03:39] <klaas> Kimmpa: What's in /var/log/xorg.log?
[03:39] <DunkMaster> where can i enable universe?
[03:39] <klaas> Xgates: annoying.. ;-)
[03:39] <Amaranth> Kimppa: To get a clean install (without much of anything) boot the install CD with the 'server' option.
[03:39] <Xgates> well HELL I sat here almost 8 hrs straight got this thing custom compiled, kernel, Alsa-drivers, and nvidia-kernel, and then kill most services and got it all crusing now
[03:39] <Xgates> WoOT
[03:39] <Thazza> easist way to mount a smb part? or do i have to open a term window
[03:40] <Xgates> time for DVD BREAK
[03:40] <Amaranth> Kimppa: You type it in at the boot prompt.
[03:40] <Amaranth> DunkMaster: Edit your sources.list
[03:40] <Xgates> klaas, THANKS man
[03:40] <Xgates> movie time
[03:40] <DunkMaster> okay, whay do i edit there?
[03:40] <Kimppa> Amaranth: ok.. the point is to get a clean install without having to reinstall
[03:40] <Xgates> damm 3:40 am
[03:40] <Amaranth> DunkMaster: There are instructions in that file on what to uncomment to get universe.
[03:40] <Xgates> so much for sleep
[03:40] <klaas> Xgates: Enjoy your movie ;-)
[03:40] <Amaranth> Kimppa: Good luck. :)
[03:40] <Xgates> THANKS
[03:41] <Xgates> later kiddies
[03:41] <klaas> Xgates: bye
[03:41] <Thazza> easist way to mount a smb part? or do i have to open a term window
[03:41] <clarki> Hello. can someone please recommend a channel for an ubuntu samba newbie set-up question? Thanks.
[03:41] <klaas> Clarki: #ubuntu??
[03:41] <klaas> Clarki: What's the problem.
[03:42] <Amaranth> Kimppa: You can start with sudo apt-get remove --purge libgtk2.0-0 xserver-xorg
[03:43] <clarki> OK. Did the ubuntu (Hoary?) install on my desktop PC and all went well. Local printing to my HP 932 worked perfectly. However getting sharring via XP powered laptops is a problem.....
[03:44] <Amaranth> clarki: iirc you put in http://<linux machine ip>/printers/printername for the location of the printer
[03:44] <Helmutt> Hello everybody!!!
[03:44] <Helmutt> Got a problem again :)
[03:44] <Helmutt> I've installed thunderbird, but there is two menuentries for it! one to start the mail client and one to start the profileselector... I want to get rid of that f*cking profileselector!!! :@ but when I click on it ther is no such alternative! and there is no menu editor. I installed smeg and it couldent delete an entry! What to do?
[03:45] <clarki> I have samba set-up to some degree and I can see the shared printers from the XP machines. However when I print from XP, the print completes without error but the physical print is never triggered on the desktop (samba print server machine)
[03:45] <Amaranth> smeg couldn't delete the entry?
[03:45] <Kimppa> Amaranth: do you mind if I pm you with my problem... just to see if you have any ideas I already haven't tried?
[03:45] <Amaranth> Kimppa: I have no more ideas.
[03:45] <Kimppa> ok.. so remove those and then reinstall?
[03:46] <Amaranth> Sure.
[03:46] <Kimppa> k
[03:46] <klaas> Clarki: Is it in the spool/queue? printer icon in the notification bar?
[03:46] <Amaranth> Actually, you'll probably want to purge qt too
[03:46] <Helmutt> Amaranth: no there was no such alternative...
[03:46] <Kimppa> I'll give it one more shot.. libgtk is one I haven't yet uninstalled
[03:46] <Amaranth> Helmutt: What do you mean?
[03:46] <clarki> klass: That's the screen top right?
[03:46] <Seveas> Kimppa, I missed your problem, can you please repeat it
[03:46] <klaas> Clarki: Depends on your panel-setup. I think it is by default.
[03:46] <Helmutt> Amaranth: there was no deletebutton :D
[03:47] <Amaranth> Helmutt: Double-click on the entry...
[03:47] <clarki> I don't think it is. I just see the update and volume icons.
[03:47] <jeffco> linux_galore, could you help me set up WMA for my 3 day old ubuntu?
[03:47] <klaas> Clarki: Then it's not.
[03:47] <klaas> Clarki: Can you go to http://localhost:631
[03:48] <klaas> Clarki: in a browser ofcourse.
[03:48] <Amaranth> jeffco: Enable universe and install gstreamer-plugins
[03:48] <clarki> klass: Yes. Actually never seen this screen before.
[03:48] <Amaranth> hmm, we have an mIRC user :)
[03:48] <Helmutt> Amaranth: Hehe LOL :D Why must I be so stupid... :D
[03:49] <Amaranth> Helmutt: My fault, I'll have to make it more obvious in the next version.
[03:49] <jeffco> Amaranth, i installed libgstreamer-plugins0.8-0. Is that what you were thinking of?
[03:49] <klaas> Clarki: Check out the jobs tab.
[03:49] <Helmutt> Amaranth: So your the creator of smeg? What programming language?
[03:49] <clarki> klass: Needs username/password. Should that be 'root' ?
[03:49] <klaas> Clarki: Yes
[03:50] <klaas> Clarki: Have you enabled the root account yet?
[03:50] <Amaranth> jeffco: No, the package I was thinking of doesn't seem to exist anymore...
[03:50] <Amaranth> Helmutt: Python/PyGTK
[03:50] <clarki> klass: root user/password is not accepted.
[03:51] <klaas> Clarki: If i understand correctly the printer is connected to the ubuntu machine, and you want to connect wit xp.. right?
[03:51] <clarki> klass: Correct
[03:51] <Kimppa> Seveas: basically, x is all messed up so that I can't even access it. I've tried on bunch of things but nothing seems to work. Now the last option before reinstall is to somehow get X 100% uninstalled and then reinstall it
[03:51] <jeffco> Amaranth, oh, what do i do now? are you able to play WMA on your ubuntu?
[03:51] <klaas> Clarki: Open a terminal and run: $sudo passwd root
[03:51] <clarki> Aplogies. I mean klaas.
[03:51] <Amaranth> clarki: sudo adduser cupsys shadow && sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[03:51] <Helmutt> Amaranth: OK, I'm sitting here reading a pythonbook right now :P Interesting language, easy syntax to learn but powerfull functions...
[03:51] <klaas> Clarki: np
[03:52] <Seveas> Kimppa, try removing the core X libraries, the rest will get dragged down as dependencies
[03:52] <Amaranth> clarki: don't enable the root account
[03:52] <Seveas> but that will remove a *lot*
[03:52] <klaas> Amaranth: Why not...
[03:52] <Kimppa> Seveas: do you mind if I pm you.. this might take a while?
[03:52] <Amaranth> klaas: Not needed.
[03:52] <Seveas> Kimppa, sure, be my guest
[03:52] <clarki> klass I know the root password is correct. Getting mixed instructions here from Amarath.
[03:52] <Amaranth> clarki: My way works. :)
[03:52] <Seveas> klaas, because it is better to avoid having a root password
[03:53] <klaas> Clarki: Amaranth appears to know best.. i quess.
[03:53] <klaas> Amaranth: No offense.
[03:53] <DunkMaster> erm
[03:53] <DunkMaster> it wont find gstreamer-faad
[03:53] <jeffco> Amaranth, you there?
[03:53] <clarki> OK. Thanks fhe 'teamwork'. So Amaranth. I need execute the 'CUPS' command you posted above?
[03:54] <klaas> seveas: Why is it better to avoid a root password, not security I hope? sudo's not quite secure either.
[03:54] <Lafitte-> anyone know where iptables is in ubuntu
[03:54] <joe|code> I wish I had a Death Star = (
[03:54] <Amaranth> DunkMaster: After you enabled universe did you run apt-get update?
[03:54] <DunkMaster> yes
[03:54] <Amaranth> jeffco: No, that's not it. The package I'm thinking of isn't there anymore.
[03:54] <Seveas> klaas, read RootSudo on the wiki
[03:54] <Amaranth> clarki: That command makes http://localhost:631 work.
[03:55] <Fackamato> yeah
[03:55] <Fackamato> really unexpected
[03:55] <Fackamato> doesn't boot my custom kernel
[03:55] <clarki> Araranth: OK give me a moment
[03:55] <Fackamato> says "invalid executable format" or something right after grub
[03:55] <Amaranth> Fackamato: Why do you need a custom kernel?
[03:55] <frogger^> hi. does anybody know a tree pad program for linux? i know, treepad is available for linux too, but im looking for a something better. any idea?
[03:56] <karljp> anyone know how to get powernowd to be more intelligent?
[03:56] <cam__> is lm_sensors part of ubuntu?
[03:56] <Fackamato> Amaranth: No special need, I just want it.
[03:56] <karljp> I'm trying to play dvds and it's only using 1.2gig, not 1.4gig.
[03:56] <Fackamato> It sounds like you're telling me that ubuntu doesn't support custom kernelss
[03:56] <karljp> and my load average is over 2, so it should really be trying to run as fast as it could
[03:56] <Seveas> Fackamato, did you build it from scratch or did you take the ubuntu source and altered the .config?
[03:57] <Fackamato> build it from scratch with the 2.6.10-5-686-smp config from /boot .
[03:57] <Amaranth> Fackamato: Well, it's better to stick with the kernel Ubuntu provides.
[03:57] <clarki> Amaranth: I executed that command with sucess, but I still cannot get access to the 'Jobs' tab in browser. Still wants a user/password, but root not accepted.
[03:57] <DunkMaster> i want to change the screen resolution
[03:58] <Fackamato> Amaranth: why would it be better?
[03:58] <Amaranth> clarki: Use your username and password.
[03:58] <Amaranth> Fackamato: Well, because it works, for one. :)
[03:58] <Fackamato> the kernel ubuntu provides isn't compiled for pentium four
[03:58] <Fackamato> it's compiled for pentium pro
[03:58] <DunkMaster> 832*624 is maxi  can set
[03:58] <Fackamato> (ridicilous)
[03:59] <Amaranth> Fackamato: You will get _no_ noticable speed increase from recompiling it.
[03:59] <Amaranth> Fackamato: And iirc they use -march pentium4 anyway
[03:59] <Seveas> indeed
[03:59] <clarki> Amaranth: OK Jobs is showing nothing active.
[03:59] <Determinist> anyone here ever tried installing i8kutils for dell laptops?
[04:00] <ogi_> Why does xmms hang when I try to play mp3's on it?
[04:00] <klaas> Seveas: There's a couple of really good points, however I prefer to enable the root account anyway (partly because I use kerberos authentication with an ldap backend for normal users).  I definitely agree that users should _NEVER_ login with X as root.
[04:00] <DunkMaster> you need gstreamer
[04:00] <Seveas> ogi_, because you need to change the output plugin to esd
[04:00] <Determinist> ogi_, misconfigured codec?
[04:00] <DunkMaster> just like me
[04:01] <DunkMaster> Seveas, where?
[04:01] <ogi_> hmm let's see
[04:01] <DunkMaster> i want to change also
[04:01] <Seveas> klaas, ok, but the ubuntu way is sudo, so please try to avoid using a root account when explaining things to newbies if it can be done otherwise.
[04:01] <Seveas> DunkMaster, ~/.xmms/config
[04:02] <DunkMaster> ty
[04:02] <klaas> Seveas: Allright, I will ;-)
[04:02] <Seveas> output_plugin=/usr/lib/xmms/Output/libesdout.so
[04:02] <ogi_> yep
[04:02] <ogi_> it works now thanks
[04:02] <Seveas> same goes for beep-media-player
[04:02] <dos000> anyone can help with tftp and xinetd ?
[04:02] <Seveas> beep-media-player beets xmms anyway :)
[04:03] <Determinist> nonsense
[04:03] <dos000> anyone can tell what is going on here. I created a chroot eenv via deboostrap install xinetd and tftpd however i am not able to get anything back. i tried to run netcat and i see the request coming on the server machine. so it is xinet related.
[04:03] <sapo> hi all, anyone could help with my gnome? it give an error: Failed to initialize HAL! and crashes :(
[04:04] <klaas> ogi_: There's a great skin for xmms/beep-media-player on gnome-look: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=23274
[04:04] <sapo> it was working since today i had to reboot and now it doesnt work anymore :(
[04:05] <Seveas> klaas, thnx!
[04:06] <Determinist> ed2k sucks ass :/
[04:06] <Determinist> one file with 800 matching sources available , taking 8 days to download @ 70% , wtf?
[04:06] <sapo> bittorrent rlz :)
[04:07] <Amaranth> Determinist: I hope you're trying to download a linux distro...
[04:07] <Amaranth> Determinist: Otherwise please don't talk about it here.
[04:07] <Determinist> Amaranth, of course , what else? :)
[04:07] <Seveas> klaas, the thing won't download do you still have the file?
[04:07] <Determinist> and yes , you're right.
[04:07] <Get> do the user need too be in a special group for use of mic?
[04:07] <klaas> Seveas: I do, holdon.
[04:07] <Seveas> Get, audio possibly
[04:07] <DunkMaster> wheres .xmmx situated?
[04:07] <DunkMaster> .xmms
[04:08] <Seveas> DunkMaster, /home/YOUR_NAME/.xmms/
[04:08] <DunkMaster> okay
[04:09] <ogi_> Is it possible to make all the buttons in logitech mx310 work
[04:09] <_blue> does ubuntu come with a special partition tool?
[04:09] <yahalom> is there a project like kubuntu but with xfce4?
[04:09] <_blue> specifically in the live cd, the equivalent to diskdrake in mandrake move
[04:09] <Amaranth> yahalom: nope
[04:09] <yahalom> Amaranth: :(
[04:10] <Amaranth> _blue: ubuntu just has parted and it's frontends gparted and qparted
[04:10] <Amaranth> is gnome-look.org dead for anyone else here?
[04:10] <ogi_> yep
[04:10] <Seveas> Amaranth, for me too
[04:10] <Seveas> wanted to download the xmms ubuntu skin :)
[04:11] <_blue> Amaranth: how good are those tools?
[04:11] <Amaranth> _blue: never used them
[04:11] <HiddenWolf> yahalom, there isn't, but probably will be
[04:11] <Amaranth> Seveas: Have you seen the clearlooks skin?
[04:12] <Seveas> no
[04:12] <yahalom> HiddenWolf: it would  be cool, especially for old systems
[04:12] <Amaranth> Doesn't ubuntu use clearlooks by default now?
[04:12] <Seveas> yes it does, but not for xmms :)
[04:12] <Seveas> yahalom, you can install xfce
[04:12] <klaas> Seveas: You can get it on: http://www.klaroon.nl
[04:12] <boddy> hiii can I install ubuntu on sata dirive ?
[04:12] <Seveas> I use it sometimes :)
[04:13] <Seveas> thnx klaas
[04:13] <yahalom> Seveas: what bothers me is taht i want an ubuntu with xfce as default or at least with no gnome or kde for older systems
[04:13] <boddy> ??
[04:14] <Seveas> boddy, yes you can
[04:14] <DunkMaster> i run ubuntu with gnome on 200MMX machine and it works good
[04:14] <DunkMaster> :P
[04:16] <ogi_> I've installed rar but the archiever still can't open the .rar-files I compressed in windows..
[04:17] <klaas> brb, out to get me a pack of sigs, and a donner kebab.. ;-)
[04:17] <Amaranth> that skin is still ugly compared to muine
[04:17] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/compare.png
[04:17] <Seveas> Amaranth, i completely disagree with you :)
[04:18] <Amaranth> one is clean, simple, and easy to read and the other isn't
[04:19] <klaas> Amaranth: I like beep-media-player better, I don't like to import files into the media system, somehow sorting never works as it should.
[04:19] <jeffco> hi all: i download tuxracer. when i click the link, it opens in fullscreen mode. The problem is that it runs very slowly on my somewhat speedy computer. what's wrong?
[04:19] <klaas> Amaranth: Especially when the id3 tags have feat. 's in them.
[04:19] <Amaranth> klaas: heh, i don't sort
[04:19] <klaas> Amaranth: I did..
[04:20] <klaas> ;-)
[04:20] <hondje> Hi guys.  I just did a hardware upgrade, including a new hda.  The old hda was moved to hdb, and the /home partition was left intact by the installer.
[04:20] <Amaranth> klaas: muine is a totally different way of handling music
[04:20] <klaus^^^> heelo
[04:20] <klaus^^^> there si a proogram
[04:20] <klaus^^^> like total comander
[04:20] <klaus^^^> or windowcomander
[04:20] <Seveas> klaus^^^, it's called mc
[04:20] <Seveas> midnight commander
[04:20] <hondje> After installing ubuntu again, I copied all my old /home/hondje files to the new /home/hondje on hda, and that went without a hitch except for evolution...
[04:21] <hondje> I cannot seem to get my calendar working, though I have replaced the .evolution dir a couple times while futzing with it.  All old emails are saved, but contacts and calendars are lost
[04:21] <hondje> Any ideas?
[04:21] <Seveas> hondje, i think that data is stored in .gconf (but not sure)
[04:21] <hondje> only one way to check :)
[04:22] <Funraiser> i have a stupid question: what's the difference between a notebook and a laptop?
[04:22] <hondje> Funraiser: Damn good question
[04:22] <Seveas> FunnyLookinHat_, not too much difference, in earlier times notebooks were the smaller ones and laptops the bigger
[04:22] <Pixel83> Funraiser, in common language: nothing.
[04:22] <Seveas> niw the names are used interchangeably
[04:22] <Seveas> s/niw/now/
[04:23] <Funraiser> k
[04:23] <hondje> ibook vs powerbook
[04:23] <karim> with what can I configure services run at startup ?
[04:23] <Seveas> karim, with files in /etc/init.d/ and in /etc/NAME_OF_SERVICE
[04:24] <Funraiser> thanks
[04:24] <karim> Seveas, it's complicated
[04:24] <Seveas> well, yes, services tend to be complicated
[04:24] <Seveas> so don't mess with them if you don't know what you are doing...
[04:25] <karim> it won't run apache2 by itself
[04:25] <karim> I must do something
[04:25] <karim> or maybe it would
[04:25] <Seveas> when you install apache2 it should start at boot
[04:26] <karim> in fact apache was also started so it probably conflicted
[04:26] <Seveas> ahh
[04:26] <georges> how to burn a dvd?
[04:26] <Seveas> yes indeed, you cannot have both apache and apache2 running without changing the configuration of one of them
[04:26] <georges> growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video ./dvd//
[04:26] <georges> :-( unable to open64("/dev/dvd",O_RDONLY): No such file or directory
[04:26] <Kimppa> georges: try k3b
[04:26] <hondje> Seveas: sadly, .gconf and .gconfd did not contain my missing calendars
[04:27] <georges> can k3b burn stuff I created with dvdauthor?
[04:27] <hondje> There's a dir, /home/hondje/.evolution.calendar, and I've swapped the contents
[04:27] <Seveas> hondje, then i'm out of options, i never used the evo calendar
[04:27] <hondje> hrm, I bet there's an evo chan somewhere
[04:27] <hondje> thanks a lot, Seveas
[04:27] <Funraiser> georges, it probably burns everything
[04:27] <kingos> hey everyone, trying ubuntu out. can anyone help me with the following?
[04:28] <kingos> hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[04:28] <kingos> /dev/dvd:
[04:28] <kingos>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[04:28] <kingos>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted using_dma    =  0 (off)
[04:28] <georges> when will it all be integrated... k3b and movie editor and authoring .... dreaming
[04:28] <Seveas> kingos, you need to do that as root
[04:28] <georges> I have now 4 applicaiton open just for one dvd
[04:28] <Seveas> so sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[04:28] <klaas> kingos: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[04:28] <kingos> Seveas: I was root ...
[04:29] <klaus^^^> how to increase the copy rate it copys me realy slow from one hard to anaother
[04:29] <klaus^^^> in linux
[04:29] <klaus^^^> ?
[04:29] <Seveas> kingos, if that does not work: the ide_generic driver cannot set dma, so you need to load the appropriate kernel module
[04:29] <kingos> ah
[04:29] <Funraiser> georges, and there is nerolinux too
[04:29] <kingos> Seveas: know which module it is for a dvd drive?
[04:29] <Kimppa> Ok.. I've removed libglib2.0-0 and libx11-6 and then reinstalled ubuntu-desktop, however when I run gdm and login I will only get a terminal. Apparently I need to install something additional, but what?
[04:29] <klaus^^^> hello
[04:29] <klaas> kingos: Try on the device-node itself, instead of the symlink. not sure if it helps, but you never know.
[04:29] <Seveas> kingos, you need one for the chipset
[04:29] <klaus^^^> how to copy faster it copies me realy slow
[04:30] <georges> Funraiser: nerolinux I have to pay...
[04:30] <Seveas> search the forum/google/mailinglist for your motheboard type and/or dvd player
[04:30] <Funraiser> georges, well hello bittorent
[04:30] <Seveas> Funraiser, please do NOT encourage copyright infringment in here...
[04:30] <kingos> seveas: okay. i think it is a fairly common problem with ubuntu and amd64, but have not found a solution.
[04:30] <Funraiser> Seveas, did i?
[04:31] <Seveas> ah, amd64....
[04:31] <Funraiser> georges, use k3b
[04:31] <Lafitte-> what programs work with palm pilots ?
[04:31] <klaus^^^> hello
[04:31] <klaus^^^> how to increase the copy speed
[04:31] <klaas> Lafitte-: gnome-pilot
[04:31] <Lafitte-> i have mine syncing but no place to view
[04:31] <Seveas> Funraiser, well, advising someone to download a program with a p2p client so they don't have to pay is that....
[04:31] <klaus^^^> it copies me realy slows from one hdd to another
[04:31] <Lafitte-> oh  ok
[04:31] <hondje> Lafitte-: I use evolution, syncs up nicely, gnome-pilot, jpilot
[04:31] <Seveas> klaus^^^, maybe enabling dma can help
[04:31] <klaus^^^> how can i enable that
[04:31] <klaus^^^> ?
[04:32] <Lafitte-> hondje,  how i get evolution to sync ?
[04:32] <Seveas> klaus^^^, sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/YOUR_DISK
[04:32] <Seveas> for both disks
[04:32] <oliverp> hi
[04:32] <klaus^^^> how do iu see
[04:32] <klaus^^^> the hd devi es
[04:32] <klaus^^^> to know what to enable
[04:32] <oliverp> I have a .deb package on my desktop. how do I install it?
[04:32] <klaas> klaus^^^: ls /dev/hd*
[04:33] <klaas> oliverp: sudo dpkg -i .debpackages.
[04:33] <Lafitte-> hondje,  all my pilot settings are there    but  my contacts are not in the contacts list
[04:33] <Seveas> oliverp, dpkg -i [the debfile] 
[04:33] <kingos> found this link, trying it :
[04:33] <kingos> Solution! My motherboard's NForce2 based, but I *think* this'll work for NForce3/4 as well. In your /etc/modules file, add the line "amd74xx" before everything else. Save, Reboot, and you should be able to set dma via hdparm now. To make it permanent, add the lines I've got in hdparm.conf to yours.
[04:33] <kingos> *reboot*
[04:33] <Funraiser> Seveas, no sudo in front of dpkg?
[04:33] <oliverp> klaas, Seveas: thanks
[04:33] <Seveas> FunnyLookinHat_, yeah, always sudo :)
[04:33] <klaas> oliverp: If it whines about dependencies, run $sudo apt-get -f install
[04:33] <Seveas> Funraiser*
[04:34] <hondje> Lafitte-: no automagic? what kind of palm?
[04:34] <Seveas> damn tab completion...
[04:34] <Funraiser> lol
[04:34] <Funraiser> i got it
[04:34] <Lafitte-> hondje,  zire31    it sync  and shows in evoltuon
[04:34] <Seveas> Funraiser, then what is that on your head :p
[04:34] <hondje> but doesn't transfer the contact info?
[04:34] <Kimppa> Can someone please tell me what additional packages do I need to install to get gnome up and running after installing ubuntu-desktop and gnome?
[04:34] <klaus^^^> Seveas,
[04:35] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/home/clausme # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda1
[04:35] <klaus^^^> /dev/hda1:
[04:35] <klaus^^^>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[04:35] <klaus^^^>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument
[04:35] <klaus^^^>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[04:35] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/home/clausme # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda1
[04:35] <klaus^^^> look
[04:35] <Lafitte-> hongje  im sure its me not doing something
[04:35] <klaus^^^> now what
[04:35] <Seveas> klaus^^^, please do NOT paste in here!
[04:35] <Seveas> and it is /dev/hda
[04:35] <Seveas> not hda1
[04:35] <Seveas> hda1 is a partition
[04:35] <hondje> Lafitte-: If I had a zire, I'd test it :(
[04:35] <wnight> What is the /.dev directory? How/why/where is it mounted?
[04:36] <wnight> (As opposed to /dev, this is /.dev)
[04:36] <klaas> Lafitte: /dev/hda is your primary master on ide0, and therefore most likely your harddisk.
[04:36] <Lafitte-> hondje,  i had to add the device to the list for palsm  it wasnt ven there    but i found the info  onloine  now it syncs
[04:36] <Lafitte-> ill try gnome-pilot
[04:36] <Seveas> wnight, /.dev is a backup of your static /dev in case you need it
[04:36] <klaas> Lafitte: Find out where /dev/cdrom is linking to. $ls -l /dev/cdrom
[04:37] <hondje> I've had great luck suggesting jpilot, though it doesn't mesh with other apps well
[04:37] <Seveas>  /dev is managed by udev
[04:37] <klaus^^^> still jnot workling
[04:37] <klaus^^^> Seveas,
[04:38] <klaus^^^> Seveas,
[04:38] <Lafitte-> klaas, lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 3 2005-05-15 09:28 /dev/cdrom -> hdc
[04:39] <klaas> Lafitte: Then run $sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[04:39] <clarki> klaas/amaranth - From the CUPS (Browser) I did a test print and everything was fine. I then stopped the queue and printed from a remote XP machine. The print executed fine it appeared (all though very slow compared to the Windows sharing) but the job neve appeared in the CUPS queue. Any thoughts?
[04:39] <Lafitte-> klaas, sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[04:39] <Lafitte-> ok    i did that
[04:40] <wnight> Seveas: So the static dev has everything, whereas the udev managed dir has only those devices that are detected?
[04:40] <Amaranth> clarki: no idea, i've never shared a printer
[04:40] <klaas> Lafitte: Yes, $ is the prompt. sorry should have added that.
[04:40] <Seveas> wnight, iirc yes...
[04:40] <wnight> Seveas: Thanks
[04:41] <klaas> Clarki: neither have I, but i will within a couple of days.
[04:42] <Lafitte-> klaas,  with the $   for first thing you ask   it didnt like the -l switch
[04:42] <clarki> OK: Amaranth / klaas thanks. Would I better trying a samba channel or is the Ubuntu install too specific for 'generic' samba support?
[04:42] <Lafitte-> so i removed the $ and it worked
[04:43] <klaas> Lafitte: I don't understand. Which command didn't like the -l switch? ls?
[04:43] <Lafitte-> $ls -l /dev/cdrom
[04:43] <oliverp> I just downloaded new_movie.img. what is the easyest way to watch it? is there any application simular to daemontools for windows?
[04:43] <klaas> Lafitte: You're right, the $ is already there.. ;-)
[04:44] <oliverp> btw it's a dvd-rimage
[04:44] <klaas> Lafitte: Like the \ in dos.
[04:44] <Lafitte-> klaas,  why are we doing this ?
[04:44] <klaas> Lafitte: I don't know.. ;-) and by the way it's > in dos sorry.
[04:45] <rezza> What package provides the default apache2.conf? I've tried reinstalling apache2 and apache2-common to no avail :(
[04:45] <Lafitte-> klaas, what are we trying to do is what i mean
[04:45] <Lafitte-> klaas,  this will fix the palm sync ?
[04:45] <jan__> heya
[04:45] <klaas> Lafitte: I'm sorry, I think I messed up names..
[04:46] <Lafitte-> klaas,   hehe   yeah   grin
[04:46] <jan__> hmm ubuntu works nicely...
[04:46] <klaas> Lafitte: It was all directed to klaus^^^^.
[04:46] <hondje> It's a nice distro, actually made me like gnome again
[04:46] <Lafitte-> klaas,  im trying to get evolution to show my palms contacts
[04:46] <Lafitte-> hehehe
[04:46] <jan__> one thing isnt going the way it should....
[04:47] <klaas> Lafitte: I can't help you with that, I don't have a pda.
[04:47] <Lafitte-> kk  hehehe
[04:47] <klaas> Lafitte: I used to have a psion revo but it broke down before I started using linux...
[04:47] <jan__> i cant open web pages... x-chat is working, ping works but the fox doesnt open pages and the update function doesnt pick up the packages
[04:48] <hondje> jan__: sudo apt-get install firefox?
[04:48] <jan__> you mean to install firefox?
[04:49] <klaas> jan__: That's what the command says.
[04:49] <jan__> well it is installed...
[04:49] <jan__> it runs fine...just doesnt open anything
[04:50] <klaas> Are you behind a firewall?
[04:50] <jan__> yeah
[04:50] <jan__> but it is configured
[04:50] <jan__> or well at least its a router firewall
[04:51] <klaas> jan__: Are there any restrictions to outbound traffic?
[04:51] <jan__> none
[04:51] <jan__> my windows clients dont experience any limitations either
[04:51] <klaas> jan__: That's wierd, did you restart firefox?
[04:52] <ivoks> what's wierd?
[04:52] <ivoks> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10681
[04:52] <ivoks> that?
[04:52] <jan__> ive even rebooted the machine... i have everything set to static ip, when using dhcp it gets an address and i can also ping etc... but it still doesnt work
[04:53] <ivoks> jan__ dns?
[04:53] <jan__> dns is set to router address... maybe i can set a secondary...
[04:53] <jan__> might be a good idea :)
[04:53] <ivoks> jan__ try this:
[04:54] <ivoks> jan__ open page http://161.53.50.60
[04:54] <ivoks> or 161.53.50.50
[04:54] <klaas> jan:  whois ubuntu.com
[04:54] <jan__> i understand... dns problems... strange thing is... if i had dns problems i shoudnt be able to ping www.google.com
[04:55] <ivoks> ping?!
[04:55] <jan__> hmm ok...this happended
[04:55] <ivoks> not everyone allows ICMP
[04:55] <jan__> indeed... but google does..
[04:55] <jan__> ive tried it
[04:55] <klaas> jan__: try pingin www.kde.org they allow icmp
[04:56] <jan__> it does seem to open on ip address but at the same time it is possible to ping www.kde.org
[04:56] <ivoks> jan__ don't ping
[04:56] <ivoks> who knows what ur router does...
[04:56] <ivoks> jan__ ping master.grad.hr
[04:57] <ivoks> jan__ try telnet master.grad.hr 80 ; if that doesn't work, try telnet 161.53.50.3 80
[04:57] <jan__> thanks to your tips ive narrowed it down a bit: 1- I can ping domains, 2- i can open webpages by ip, 3- i cant open webpages by domain
[04:58] <ivoks> jan__ can you telnet to www.grad.hr 80?
[04:58] <ivoks> try that
[04:58] <angie> hello there
[04:58] <angie> anyone from Poland?
[04:59] <ivoks> jan__ if you can ping master.grad.hr, then something is wrong with your router, couse you can't ping that machine
[04:59] <thenuke> angie: propably, propably not. why?
[04:59] <ivoks> angie zdravo
[04:59] <thenuke> angie: try #ubuntu.pl if you wish
[04:59] <jan__> ok im trying
[04:59] <ivoks> dobri den
[05:00] <jan__> i cant ping www.grad.hr
[05:00] <klaas> jan__: What's your router's internal address? does it have a webinterface? can you http to that?
[05:00] <jan__> yeah i can
[05:00] <ivoks> jan__ telnet to www.grad.hr 80
[05:00] <jan__> doesnt work
[05:00] <jan__> by ip it does
[05:00] <ivoks> telnet doesn't work?
[05:00] <ivoks> jan__ cat /etc/resolv.conf
[05:01] <ivoks> what namerservers are there?
[05:01] <klaas> ivoks: Can it be an isp routing problem?
[05:01] <ivoks> klaas don't think so
[05:01] <klaas> ivoks: Right, the windows clients don't have the problem, I forgot.
[05:01] <ivoks> jan__ try traceroute www.kde.org
[05:01] <jan__> my own domain's nameserver
[05:01] <angie> thenuke: tnx
[05:02] <klaas> jan: sudo apt-get install tcptraceroute
[05:02] <klaas> jan: sudo tcptraceroute www.kde.org 80
[05:03] <ivoks> sudo? :)
[05:03] <klaas> ivoks: Sorry, forgot to delete that.
[05:03] <klaas> ivoks:  from the previous line.
[05:03] <ivoks> i'm ok with that, don't do it to offten :)
[05:04] <klaas> ivoks:  I'll keep an eye on it..
[05:04] <jan__> couldnt find the package...weird
[05:04] <ivoks> apt-get install traceroute
[05:05] <jan__> has no installation candidate
[05:05] <ivoks> what's the url?
[05:05] <jan__> at least thats what it says
[05:05] <ivoks> launchpad.com?
[05:05] <ivoks> jan__ apt-get install traceroute
[05:05] <ivoks> ?
[05:05] <klaas> jan__: tcptraceroute is in universe
[05:05] <ivoks> jan__ are you maybe in windows? :)
[05:05] <jan__> whahah
[05:05] <jan__> noooo :D
[05:06] <fsapo> hi, anyone knows how can i make a app start in boot time?
[05:06] <klaas> fsapo: what kind of app?
[05:06] <Seveas> there is no traceroute
[05:06] <Seveas> there is tracepath
[05:06] <Seveas> or better: mtr
[05:06] <fsapo> klaas, its that no-ip app
[05:06] <jan__> PING www.l.google.com (216.239.59.104) 56(84) bytes of data.
[05:07] <jan__> 64 bytes from www.google.com (216.239.59.104): icmp_seq=1 ttl=244 time=27.2 ms
[05:07] <jan__> 64 bytes from www.google.com (216.239.59.104): icmp_seq=2 ttl=244 time=26.7 ms
[05:07] <jan__> 64 bytes from www.google.com (216.239.59.104): icmp_seq=3 ttl=244 time=26.7 ms
[05:07] <jan__> 64 bytes from www.google.com (216.239.59.104): icmp_seq=4 ttl=244 time=27.0 ms
[05:07] <jan__> 64 bytes from www.google.com (216.239.59.104): icmp_seq=5 ttl=244 time=26.7 ms
[05:07] <jan__> see
[05:07] <fsapo> klaas, is just a executable
[05:07] <Myrtti> thank you for flooding
[05:07] <fsapo> klaas, i want it to start at boot
[05:07] <jan__> me? didnt want to flood
[05:07] <jan__> just wanted to show something
[05:07] <da_bon_bon> where is ubuntus "hibernate.conf" ?
[05:07] <fsapo> jan__, so join #flood and past there
[05:08] <fsapo> jan__, or use pastebin
[05:08] <da_bon_bon> can some1 locate and tell me, please ?
[05:09] <ivoks> da_bon_bon ?
[05:09] <da_bon_bon> ya ?
[05:09] <ivoks> ubuntu doesn't have hibernate.cong
[05:09] <ivoks> ubuntu doesn't have hibernate.cong
[05:09] <ivoks> ubuntu doesn't have hibernate.conf
[05:09] <ivoks> damn.. :)
[05:09] <da_bon_bon> then
[05:09] <da_bon_bon> where does it take hibernate settings from ?
[05:09] <ivoks> what do you want to set up?
[05:09] <dataw0lf|w> /etc/acpi da_bon_bon
[05:09] <da_bon_bon> i wanna setup hibernate on antoher distro, ivoks
[05:09] <ivoks> lol
[05:10] <da_bon_bon> dataw0lf|w: thanks
[05:10] <ivoks> if u manage to do that, call me
[05:10] <klaas> jan__: can you run apt-get update?
[05:10] <jan__> ill try
[05:10] <DalaiLama> helo, anybody know why xsession need so long when i set ndiswrapper +m?
[05:10] <jan__> it is connecting
[05:11] <ivoks> jan__ it's dns problem
[05:11] <ivoks> jan__ try this
[05:11] <klaas> jan__: cancel the update.
[05:11] <ogi_> How am I supposed to open my .rar files..I already installed rar and the archieve manager still won't open them
[05:11] <ivoks> jan__ put 'nameserver 195.29.150.3' in you /etc/resolv.conf
[05:12] <goofrider> ogi_, use rar-nonfree for rar 3.0 or later
[05:12] <goofrider> ogi_, in multiverse
[05:13] <ogi_> hmm
[05:13] <ogi_> goofrider, with apt-get?
[05:14] <goofrider> ogi_, mmhmmm
[05:14] <jan__> do i need to restart something after that?
[05:14] <ivoks> no
[05:15] <ivoks> now try apt-get update
[05:15] <ivoks> give it some time...
[05:15] <klaas> Does anybody have a Samsung Yepp ?
[05:15] <Encrypted> anyone know if its possible to do a net install of ubuntu ?
[05:15] <ivoks> :)
[05:15] <ivoks> klaas samsung?
[05:15] <goofrider> klaas, nope, just an ipod  :P
[05:16] <ivoks> ah, yepp
[05:16] <ivoks> i tought jeep
[05:16] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: are u here /
[05:16] <ivoks> :)
[05:16] <ivoks> jan__ nothing?
[05:16] <goofrider> ivoks, yes Samsung makes Jeep now and Ferrari makes laptops, whateber  :)
[05:16] <ogi_> goofrider, what's the command?
[05:16] <jan__> trying :) one moment please
[05:16] <klaas> I can't get it connected with linux, when I plug it in nothing happens.. not even a kernel message that a usb device is connected... :-(
[05:17] <ivoks> klaas that's bad
[05:17] <goofrider> ogi_, `sudo apt-get install rar-non-free`
[05:17] <ogi_> aah thanks
[05:17] <goofrider> ogi_, assuming u have multiverse enalbed
[05:17] <klaas> ivoks: Yepp ;-)
[05:17] <jan__> connecting 66%
[05:17] <ivoks> so, it works?
[05:17] <jan__> well it doesnt do anything yet
[05:18] <ivoks> then it doesn't
[05:18] <jan__> still @66%
[05:18] <Rudi> Hello all.
[05:18] <ivoks> jan__ do u have ethernet or wifi?
[05:18] <jan__> ehternet
[05:18] <jan__> ethernet
[05:18] <ivoks> no wifi?
[05:18] <goofrider> klaas, no dmesg, no nothing? what does the usb device browser says?
[05:18] <ivoks> are you sure?
[05:18] <ogi_> goofrider,  it seems I don't got it enabled
[05:18] <da_bon_bon> can someone tell me why suspend works in ubuntu but not on other distros ?
[05:18] <ivoks> da_bon_bon because ubuntu rulz :)
[05:18] <jan__> no wifi
[05:18] <da_bon_bon> ivoks: thank you.
[05:19] <ivoks> jan__ look at /sbin/route -n
[05:19] <klaas> Wow: it's connected... whooohooo, I quess the kernel upgrade has something to do with it.
[05:19] <ivoks> jan__ it should have something like
[05:19] <goofrider> ogi_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto#uncommenting-universe  but replace "universe" with "multiverse"
[05:19] <ivoks> jan__ 0.0.0.0 IP_OF_YOUR_ROUTER UG 0 0 0 eth0
[05:20] <jan__> indeed, it does...
[05:20] <klaas> Sorry, it didn't work before there was no demsg, no nothing.
[05:20] <ivoks> jan__ ok
[05:20] <klaas> Ubuntu really rocks.
[05:20] <jan__> what was the command to add a route again?
[05:20] <g14> jan__: For adding a gateway?
[05:21] <ivoks> jan__ and what does /sbin/ipconfig | grep "inet addr" says?
[05:21] <jan__> indeed for adding a gateway for all interfaces
[05:21] <g14> jan__: route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[05:21] <jan__> aah thanks :)
[05:21] <ivoks> i'm tierd
[05:21] <g14> jan__: np
[05:21] <ivoks> going to shopping :)
[05:21] <ivoks> evic?
[05:21] <goofrider> ivoks, consumer whore :)
[05:22] <zoo> hello
[05:22] <ivoks> Soggojevic ?
[05:22] <zoo> is there an apt-get.org for ubuntu?
[05:22] <ivoks> Soggojevic any relations to balkans? :)
[05:22] <ivoks> zoo yes
[05:22] <goofrider> zoo, that'd be apt-get.org  :)
[05:22] <ivoks> zoo apt-get.org
[05:22] <zoo> ivoks: but there are no ubuntu repositories listed
[05:23] <pppoe_dude> ok, i'm hving a prob which i had in the past.
[05:23] <ivoks> zoo that's a problem?
[05:23] <jan__> ivoks: command not found
[05:23] <goofrider> zoo, Debian packages works fine in Ubuntu usually
[05:23] <pppoe_dude> donk know how to solve it.
[05:23] <Soggojevic> ivoks: not at all, just some funny name I made up
[05:23] <ivoks> jan__ sorry... /sbin/ifconfig
[05:23] <ivoks> Soggojevic ok :)
[05:23] <zoo> but do they allow me to submit my ubuntu repository to apt-get.org??
[05:23] <jan__> np :)
[05:23] <goofrider> zoo, but be careful about thrid party unofficial repos and debian repos in general
[05:23] <pppoe_dude> ubuntu will boot and freeze unless i keep pressing some keyboard buttons so it can detect the keyboard.
[05:23] <pppoe_dude> if i dont press anything, it would freeze
[05:24] <ogi_> goofrider,  I've got multiverse in "sources.list"
[05:24] <goofrider> pppoe_dude, at what stage at the boot process?
[05:24] <pppoe_dude> goofrider; I CAN REACH UPTO THE SPLASH SCREEN
[05:24] <pppoe_dude> sorry
[05:24] <goofrider> pppoe_dude, splash screen?
[05:24] <zoo> I have set up my own unofficial ubuntu repository and want to submit it to apt-get.org but I am not sure if they want to list it, because it is not for debian itself.
[05:25] <jan__> it says this:  inet addr: 192.168.0.210, bcast: 192.168.0.255, mask: 255.255.255.0.... as far as i know exactly what it should be
[05:25] <pppoe_dude> upto the splash screen. but the detection i think happens at the 'hotplug' process
[05:25] <goofrider> zoo, add to the wiki
[05:25] <pppoe_dude> goofrider, gnome splash screen
[05:25] <ivoks> jan__ your router sucks...
[05:25] <pppoe_dude> or login screen sorry
[05:25] <zoo> goofrider: only to the wiki?
[05:25] <ivoks> jan__ do you have ADSL modem?
[05:25] <pppoe_dude> the same was happening during the setup
[05:25] <goofrider> pppoe_dude, oh the gdm login screen? or AFTER the lgin screen?
[05:25] <jan__> ivoks: yeah i do :)
[05:26] <ivoks> jan__ and his MTR and MTU are?
[05:26] <pppoe_dude> goofrider, at the login screen
[05:26] <ivoks> jan__ if they are 1500, that's your problem
[05:26] <zkruw> anyone here able to convert a 2.6.11 module so it work on a 2.6.10 kernel?
[05:26] <pppoe_dude> goofrider, but also during the setup, i wouldn
[05:26] <goofrider> ogi_, `sudo apt-get install rar-non-free`
[05:26] <pppoe_dude> nt be able to type anything unless i pressed some buttons bfore
[05:26] <jan__> 1500 is pretty normal...set em to 1492 then?
[05:26] <ivoks> yes, 1492
[05:26] <ogi_> goofrider,  exactly
[05:26] <ivoks> 1500 isn't normal on ADSL
[05:26] <ivoks> even better to make it 1412
[05:27] <goofrider> pppoe_dude, u need a new kbd??  LOL  it's not USB is it?
[05:27] <jan__> ill check the setting
[05:27] <pppoe_dude> its a laptop kyboard
[05:27] <pppoe_dude> im on my laptop
[05:27] <mike_> Morning, folks.
[05:27] <dabaSlon_slp> morning
[05:28] <pppoe_dude> seems as if i need to shw linux that the kayboard is there
[05:28] <ogi_> "couldn't find package rar-non-free"
[05:28] <pppoe_dude> windows works fine
[05:28] <dabaSlon> pppoe_dude: whats the brand of the laptop?
[05:28] <pppoe_dude> compaq
[05:28] <ivoks> it's time to go out, buy new shooes and take some chick on coffe :)
[05:28] <pppoe_dude> presario r4000
[05:28] <goofrider> pppoe_dude, but your kbd is fine if u login in from a text console?? (Ctrl-Alt-F1 @ the GDM login screen)
[05:28] <dabaSlon> to coffee, have fun ivoks.
[05:28] <jan__> ive set it to 1492 to test it
[05:29] <dabaSlon> na kavu:)
[05:29] <mrproper> How can I tell what glibc version I'm using?
[05:29] <pppoe_dude> goofrider, i can't use the keyboard if i don't press stuff during boot
[05:29] <pppoe_dude> if i leave the computer to boot by itself it would freeze
[05:29] <mike_> I'm trying to get a 40-bit wireless key working with my integrated Broadcom wireless card on my hp zd8080us laptop running Breezy.  Any ideas?
[05:29] <goofrider> that's weird.... any idea guys?
[05:29] <mrproper> mike_, breezy is out?
[05:30] <ivoks> mike_ check out ndiswrapper
[05:30] <mike_> I've been on Breezy for at least a couple weeks.  Hoary was stale for a couple weeks before that.
[05:30] <zkruw> is it possible to recompile a 2.6.11 module so i can get it to work on a 2.6.10 kernel?
[05:30] <dabaSlon> pppoe_dude: did you check out this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsCompaq , not that it has your model.
[05:30] <ivoks> mike_ broadcom didn't release wifi dirvers for linux
[05:30] <Soggojevic> I'm really impressed by ubunto - the first distro taht works just out of the box with my laptop
[05:30] <jan__> no effect
[05:30] <mike_> ivoks, I'm using ndiswireless
[05:30] <mike_> And the bcmwl5.sys and .inf files.
[05:30] <goofrider> zkruw, y would u even have 2.6.11 module binaries to begin with?
[05:30] <ivoks> jan__ leave MTU on 1492, that is default value for pppoe
[05:31] <pppoe_dude> no mine isnt there...
[05:31] <jan__> im using ppp0a :)
[05:31] <dabaSlon> I hate dreams like the one I just had...
[05:31] <pppoe_dude> but it should work, fedora works fine
[05:31] <darkaudit> number of discs to reinstall XP: 10 and counting... # of discs to reinstall Ubuntu: 1 :)
[05:31] <ivoks> jan__ ah...
[05:31] <ivoks> well... bye
[05:31] <dabaSlon> bye
[05:31] <mike_> I can get it to run just fine with my 128-bit key at home, but the jackasses at work are insisting on a 40-bit key.
[05:31] <zkruw> goofrider, need the module for the sata promise card isnt supported on 2.6.10
[05:31] <jan__> ill keep looking :)
[05:32] <jan__> in the meantime. thanks for all the assistance, highly appreciated
[05:32] <pppoe_dude> Fedora was working fine but display wouldnt work right... so i switched to ubuntu, display woks great but theres this new prob
[05:32] <goofrider> zkruw, if the module isn't supported on 2.6.10, recompiling on 2.6.10 won't help.  :P
[05:33] <goofrider> zkruw, just install kernel 2.6.11 from breezy if u feel being experimental (if it's in brezzy that is)
[05:33] <pppoe_dude> ok im gonna try some stuff... brb
[05:33] <zkruw> goofrider,  im booted with that kernel right now
[05:33] <zkruw> but my gfx card isnt supported now
[05:33] <clarki> Open Question: Is it difficult to enable Ubuntu to accept a remote SSH or preferably graphical remote (XClient ?) connection.?
[05:33] <dabaSlon> jan, hah,...what was his issue...cant open websites by domain in a browser?
[05:34] <dabaSlon> did he clear out his cache??
[05:34] <dabaSlon> thats the only thing it can be,..except parental controls or some weoird firewall.
[05:34] <zkruw> goofrider,  because there isnt any restricted packages for the 2.6.11 kerne
[05:34] <zkruw> l
[05:35] <goofrider> mike_, 40-bit or 128-bit, WEP is suck horribly insecure
[05:35] <goofrider> zkruw, ah... that sux
[05:35] <zoo> goofrider: where shall i add that to the wiki?
[05:35] <goofrider> zoo whereever, it's a wiki  :)  look for an existing third-party repo list
[05:36] <mike_> goofrider, I know that.  But the net.admin is a Windows guy who is insisting that a 40-bit key is exactly the same as a 64-bit key.
[05:36] <jacquesmerde> another question: when i start a new app it seems to take a long time to load. (everything else seems perfectly speedy though). when i open a new app while keeping an eye on system resources, ram swap memory barely budge, CPU usage oscillates, but never hits 100%, whats my bottleneck here?
[05:36] <goofrider> mike_, it doesn't matter even if it's a 1024-bit key, WEP is crap
[05:37] <mike_> goofrider, I know that.
[05:37] <mike_> goofrider, I'm not the network admin, and I don't control it.
[05:37] <goofrider> mike_, well sounds like u should have his job  ;)
[05:37] <dabaSlon> zoo: are you putting a list of 3rd party repositories??
[05:37] <mike_> goofrider, The fact is, the BOFH here is completely opposed to changing the keylength just for me (I'm the only Linux user in the company)
[05:37] <goofrider> jacquesmerde, disk IO???
[05:37] <mike_> goofrider, die.  ;-)  I don't want his job.
[05:38] <g14> mike_: Do the admin a favor
[05:38] <zoo> dabaSlon: no, but i want to find a list, so that I can add my repository to it
[05:38] <dabaSlon> ah...
[05:38] <g14> mike_: Send him to www.whoppix.net, tell him to click on demos, and then on the WEP Attack
[05:38] <jacquesmerde> goofrider, whats disk IO?
[05:38] <g14> mike_: That alone convinced several guys I know to switch to WPA
[05:38] <dabaSlon> the list should be right where it says how to add repositories in the wiki, or at least linked on that page.
[05:38] <g14> input / output
[05:39] <goofrider> jacquesmerde, the data transfer b/w yout hard drive and your motherboard/cpu. it could be the bottleneck
[05:39] <mike_> g14, This is the same guy who thinks that there's no difference between a 40-bit key and a 64-bit key.
[05:40] <g14> mike_: Well do this for him. Get wireless working on a linux laptop. Then show him kismet and weplab
[05:40] <goofrider> zoo,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:40] <Amaranth> mike_: There is no difference, except that one is several orders of magnitude more difficult to brute force. :)
[05:40] <g14> mike_: A 40 bit key would crack in under a minute so you could do it in front of him
[05:40] <Amaranth> mike_: btw, I'm just trying to be funny, I'm not really a moron. :D
[05:40] <mike_> g14, It is working...On my network at home, where I at least have a 128-bit key (and nothing that needs to be secure.)  Just not on the network here at work.
[05:40] <goofrider> mike_, but he's right though, there's no difference  :)
[05:41] <goofrider> mike_, a 64-bit key can still be cracked in a min  hahaha
[05:41] <g14> mike_: Watch the WEP cracking demo video on www.whoppix.net. Then show him how it works
[05:41] <mike_> goofrider, Yes, but at least I can work with it.
[05:41] <jacquesmerde> goofrider, i was thinking of the speed of the harddisk itself, are you talking about something different?
[05:41] <g14> mike_: I can crack most 128bit wep keys in under an hour normally
[05:41] <goofrider> jacquesmerde, the transfer speed
[05:42] <goofrider> jacquesmerde, maybe DMA isn't enabled (it should be enabled by default for all internal IDE disk though)
[05:42] <jacquesmerde> its a PIII with 128meg RAM, you think the transfer speed could be it? how would i replace/upgrade it?
[05:42] <g14> WEP = Without Encrypted Protection
[05:42] <klaus^^^> need help with generic dma drivers
[05:42] <klaus^^^> where to get drivers for asus p4 p800 x series
[05:43] <goofrider> jacquesmerde, or maybe u'r downgrade to ATA 33 because u didn't use a 80-wire IDE cable  :P
[05:43] <ogi_> goofrider,  it seems apt-get skips multiverse complitely or something
[05:43] <klaus^^^> Seveas,
[05:43] <goofrider> ogi_, did u do an apt-get update?
[05:43] <g14> klaus^^^: Run hdparm -v /dev/hdx where x is the drive
[05:43] <jacquesmerde> goofrider, whats DMA?
[05:43] <ogi_> goofrider, yes
[05:43] <ogi_> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:43] <ogi_> I did like that
[05:43] <goofrider> klaus^^^, DMA driver **is** generic. I thought. It should Jest Worsk (tm)
[05:44] <ogi_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[05:44] <ogi_> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[05:44] <ogi_> so those are the lines I added
[05:44] <goofrider> ogi_, ubuntuguide is unoffical. It's maintained by one person
[05:44] <mike_> OK, so anyway...Is there any way to get a 40-bit key working on my Broadcom card?  Discussions of the "security" of WEP aside...
[05:44] <g14> DMA is a feature. Direct Memory Access. It allows drives like cdroms or harddrives to put data into memory without accessing the processor. It speeds up file transfers alot
[05:44] <dabaSlon> ogi, what are you getting?
[05:44] <goofrider> ogi_, forgot his nick, he's in here sometimes. some dude from Malaysia. u can ask him to add your repo if u find him
[05:45] <goofrider> ogi_, oops I though u were zoo. n/m
[05:45] <dabaSlon> you apt-get update fine, ogi??
[05:45] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/home/clausme # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[05:45] <klaus^^^> /dev/hda:
[05:45] <klaus^^^>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[05:45] <klaus^^^>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[05:45] <klaus^^^>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[05:45] <klaus^^^> goofrider,
[05:45] <klaus^^^> look
[05:45] <klaus^^^> g14, look
[05:45] <g14> klaus^^^: Is that an older drive?
[05:46] <goofrider> klaus^^^, sudo baby sudo
[05:46] <klaus^^^> no an 160 Gb segate
[05:46] <darkaudit> klaus^^^: or are you running a SATA drive as the primary hdd?
[05:46] <klaus^^^> i am root
[05:46] <goofrider> klaus^^^, oh u were root anyways
[05:46] <g14> goofrider: Look at the prompt, he is root
[05:46] <ogi_> dabaSlon,  well when i apt-get update it doesn't list multiverse at all
[05:46] <phend> anyone know where i should look to get bluetooth working on my lappy? what is the module name?
[05:46] <klaus^^^> yes i am runing
[05:46] <phend> i'm a bit stuck :)
[05:46] <klaus^^^> a sata asa primary dive
[05:46] <darkaudit> ogi_: is multiverse enabled in your sources.list?
[05:46] <goofrider> g14 shut up i saw it i saw it  &*^(^
[05:46] <dabaSlon> ok, and you wnat it to, right...paste your sources.list to http://pastebin.com
[05:47] <goofrider> klaus^^^, SATA has issues in Hoary I heard
[05:47] <dabaSlon> ogi, hurry up too, pls.
[05:47] <klaus^^^> the transfer rate si jst 3Mb/s
[05:47] <darkaudit> klaus^^^: that's it... did the same to me... had a SATA drive as the only hdd... couldn't set hdparm on anything
[05:47] <klaus^^^> ok i don;t whant to enable dma
[05:47] <goofrider> klaus^^^, and aren't u supposed to use sdparam for STATA drvies?
[05:47] <klaus^^^> on msata
[05:47] <klaus^^^> i whant to enable dma on the ata drive
[05:47] <g14> klaus^^^: lsmod | grep sata
[05:47] <g14> **sudo lsmod | grep sata
[05:48] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/home/clausme # sdparam
[05:48] <klaus^^^> bash: sdparam: command not found
[05:48] <klaus^^^> g14 that comand
[05:48] <darkaudit> goofrider: sdparm? search synaptic for 'parm' only got me hdparm (all repos enabled :))
[05:48] <dabaSlon> ogi_: you gonna do it at all. O am about to leave
[05:49] <klaus^^^> is't doing enythinng
[05:49] <goofrider> darkaudit, klaus^^^, it's just something I overheard
[05:49] <ogi_> dabaSlon,  wait a sec
[05:49] <dabaSlon> k, pls hurry
[05:49] <ogi_> dabaSlon, http://pastebin.com/285153
[05:49] <klaus^^^> there si any way to activate the dma
[05:49] <klaus^^^> ?
[05:49] <dabaSlon> tanks, sed
[05:49] <g14> http://sg.torque.net/sg/sdparm.html that is for scsi
[05:49] <dabaSlon> sec
[05:49] <goofrider> I could be tripping though
[05:50] <goofrider> g14, SATA is treated as SCSI though, right?
[05:50] <karljp> also: ignore those people talking about 40 vs 64 bit for wep
[05:50] <karljp> in general a 64 kit is better than a 40bit
[05:50] <g14> goofrider: It's worth a try
[05:50] <karljp> but not in the wep world
[05:50] <PhantomFreak> I can't seem to connect to the Hoary extras repository, any ideas!
[05:50] <preglow> any plans to compile a newer freetype? the one currently in hoary renders most fonts horribly
[05:50] <g14> karljp: It is fact that 40 bit or 64 bit WEP can be cracked in a few minutes
[05:50] <Seveas> ignore WEP
[05:50] <Seveas> use WPA
[05:50] <g14> WPA
[05:50] <klaus^^^> yes
[05:50] <darkaudit> preglow: gonna have to wait for Breezy or backports
[05:50] <g14> yes
[05:50] <klaus^^^> is loked as scsi
[05:51] <preglow> ghah
[05:51] <preglow> i'll compile my own, then
[05:51] <dabaSlon> k, ogi, klooks god, paste the output of your update
[05:51] <goofrider> most serial mode HDD interfaces are emulated using the SCSI layer, like SATA, USB and Fiewire, that's what I understand
[05:51] <g14> goofrider: That is correct
[05:51] <dabaSlon> to pastebin, again, please.
[05:51] <klaus^^^> how do i get the sdparam
[05:51] <ogi_> sec
[05:51] <dabaSlon> k
[05:51] <g14> later, going to work
[05:51] <karljp> gl4: I'm not commenting on security of wep, just that 40 bit wep is 64 bit wep.
[05:51] <karljp> it's just a name.  the extra bits are fixed.
[05:52] <goofrider> klaus^^^, darkaudit did a apt-cache search sdparam and he got nothing
[05:52] <klaus^^^> me to
[05:52] <goofrider> `apt-cache search scsi`???
[05:52] <ogi_> dabaSlon, http://pastebin.com/285157
[05:52] <dabaSlon> thanks
[05:52] <karljp> http://support.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/sb/cs-009368.htm
[05:53] <karljp> don't think they are different :)
[05:53] <goofrider> sg-utils - utilities for working with generic SCSI devices
[05:53] <goofrider> sg3-utils - Utilities for working with generic SCSI devices
[05:53] <dabaSlon> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Sources
[05:53] <dabaSlon> whzats niot there???
[05:53] <klaus^^^> found that to
[05:53] <dabaSlon> ogi_: 3, and 4...
[05:53] <dabaSlon> anyhow, ogi, do you have an issue??
[05:54] <goofrider> dabaSlon, his SATA doesn't support DMA
[05:54] <dabaSlon> ogi's too?
[05:54] <klaus^^^> ok
[05:54] <ogi_> dabaSlon,  I need rar none free
[05:54] <dabaSlon> well, his multiverese is there.
[05:54] <klaus^^^> now
[05:54] <klaus^^^> i understand
[05:54] <darkaudit> /dev/sda:  Timing cached reads:   860 MB in  2.00 seconds = 428.99 MB/sec
[05:54] <dabaSlon> ogi, what arch are you on?
[05:54] <muszek> hello
[05:54] <klaus^^^> that with sata may be a problem
[05:54] <darkaudit> and Timing buffered disk reads:   32 MB in  3.04 seconds =  10.51 MB/sec
[05:54] <karljp> what are you using to test with?
[05:55] <klaus^^^> but why i can't activate dma on my ata drive
[05:55] <darkaudit> those #s good, bad, or ugly?
[05:55] <dabaSlon> yo, muszek
[05:55] <ogi_> dabaSlon,  archieve manager :)
[05:55] <dabaSlon> what I mean is what architecture are you on?
[05:55] <ogi_> aah :D
[05:55] <muszek> during installation, ubuntu detected my 2 ethernet cards.  after installation there's only modem in administration --> networking.  somebody help please... can't find a solution.
[05:55] <ogi_> goes over my tiny head
[05:56] <karljp> darkaudit, what are you using to get these numbers?
[05:56] <klaus^^^> Setting up scsitools (0.8-1) ...
[05:56] <dabaSlon> no rar-non-free package here either,.
[05:56] <klaus^^^> how do i run it now
[05:56] <karljp> unrar-nonfree
[05:56] <darkaudit> karljp: hdparm -Tt
[05:56] <karljp> in multiverse
[05:56] <goofrider> oops
[05:56] <goofrider> it's unrar-nonfree
[05:57] <dabaSlon> ok, ogi_, sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[05:57] <ogi_> karljp,  thanks
[05:57] <muszek> anyone? please... it also smashed my fedora's grub and I'm dead-alike right now (can't reinstall grub for some reason)
[05:57] <dabaSlon> bye
[05:57] <ogi_> and thanks dabaSlon
[05:57] <muszek> but the networking problem is what I care about now...
[05:57] <dabaSlon> muszek what both wired??
[05:57] <klaus^^^> /dev/hda:
[05:57] <klaus^^^>  Timing cached reads:   2492 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1244.94 MB/sec
[05:57] <klaus^^^>  Timing buffered disk reads:   10 MB in  3.13 seconds =   3.19 MB/sec
[05:57] <muszek> one is wired
[05:57] <ogi_> cause somebody told me to get rar-non-free
[05:57] <dabaSlon> other wireless?
[05:57] <dabaSlon> welcvome, ogi
[05:58] <darkaudit> ogi_: try unrar-nonfree
[05:58] <dabaSlon> k,  I gotta go be bakc in 10 or so.
[05:58] <ogi_> darkaudit,  did it
[05:58] <muszek> oh... both are "regular, wired", but only one is plugged
[05:58] <darkaudit> 'k
[05:58] <goofrider> ogi_, i made a mistake, it's unrar-nonfree
[05:58] <klaus^^^> hello
[05:58] <klaus^^^> solution to my problem
[05:58] <klaus^^^> activating dma
[05:58] <ogi_> goofrider,  yeah..no problem
[05:59] <m4x> is a vnc server available for ubuntu?
[05:59] <goofrider> m4x it should be installed by default
[05:59] <m4x> goofrider, what is it called?
[05:59] <darkaudit> klaus^^^: I fixed it on my box by adding a regular IDE hard drive
[05:59] <goofrider> m4x, System->Prefence-> remote Desktop
[05:59] <klaus^^^> man
[05:59] <m4x> goofrider, thank you sir
[06:00] <klaus^^^> i have two drives right now
[06:00] <goofrider> klaus^^^, I can't find sdparam anyqhere
[06:00] <klaus^^^> i am tring to copy from ata drive to sata drive
[06:00] <klaus^^^> i have linux on my sata drive
[06:00] <goofrider> tried packages.ubuntu.com as well
[06:00] <klaus^^^> http://sg.torque.net/sg/sdparm.html
[06:00] <goofrider> klaus^^^, so u have a regular IDE drive in your system already.....
[06:01] <klaus^^^> yes
[06:01] <klaus^^^> i am tring to copy from it
[06:01] <klaus^^^> ubuntu is on my s-ata drive
[06:01] <karljp> ou are probaly attempting to use hdparm on a SATA or some other bizarre drive. hdparm currently has very limited support for SATA drives however these drives are generally setup automagicly to use most of the more decent settings.
[06:01] <karljp> so your hdparm -Tt works, but gives you very low results?
[06:02] <karljp> and you want to enable dma? is that what I've understood so far?
[06:02] <klaus^^^> yes
[06:02] <klaus^^^> i have 60 Gigs to copy
[06:02] <klaus^^^> and i have to whait 4 hours
[06:02] <klaus^^^> is a lot of time
[06:03] <we2by> lmao
[06:03] <karljp> so what results do yo uget with hdparm -Tt /dev/satadevice ?
[06:03] <karljp> and are you running the stock kernel?
[06:03] <klaus^^^> yes
[06:03] <dabaSlon> muszek: k, Im back, you still there?
[06:04] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/home/clausme #  hdparm -Tt /dev/sda
[06:04] <klaus^^^> /dev/sda:
[06:04] <klaus^^^>  Timing cached reads:   484 MB in  3.83 seconds = 126.26 MB/sec
[06:04] <klaus^^^>  Timing buffered disk reads:   18 MB in  3.15 seconds =   5.71 MB/sec
[06:04] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/home/clausme #
[06:04] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/home/clausme #  hdparm -Tt /dev/hda
[06:04] <klaus^^^> /dev/hda:
[06:04] <klaus^^^>  Timing cached reads:   468 MB in  3.39 seconds = 138.07 MB/sec
[06:04] <klaus^^^>  Timing buffered disk reads:    6 MB in  4.07 seconds =   1.47 MB/sec
[06:04] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/home/clausme #
[06:04] <klaus^^^> look
[06:04] <jasoncohen> is the "universe" repository a snapshot of debian testing at the time of ubuntu's release?
[06:05] <klaus^^^> now i am tring
[06:05] <karljp> you can just paste the buffered bit each time
[06:05] <karljp> not the whole four lines please
[06:05] <cyphase> hey everyone
[06:05] <klaus^^^> k
[06:05] <klaus^^^> now what i do
[06:05] <karljp> can you set dma on the hda?
[06:05] <klaus^^^> is transfering at 2Mb/s
[06:05] <klaus^^^> no
[06:05] <cyphase> can someone point me toward a good tutroial on setting up an ubuntu server?
[06:05] <dabaSlon> klaus^^^: we understand that to you at this time, your issue is main agenda...but, please let us type something too, and, for legibility, use pastebin.com to paste
[06:05] <karljp> or is it just the sda that's busted
[06:05] <goofrider> jasoncohen, main is a snapshot of Debian Sid
[06:05] <klaus^^^> that is the problem and i don't know why
[06:05] <dabaSlon> cyphase: what is an ubuntu server?
[06:05] <karljp> what machinen are you on?
[06:06] <goofrider> jasoncohen, unverise, I don't know.
[06:06] <dabaSlon> jason, I dont know, and I dont think it is...
[06:06] <we2by> do we need a second #ubuntu channel?
[06:06] <we2by> ;)
[06:06] <jasoncohen> does universe have all packages included in debian sid?
[06:06] <dabaSlon> jasoncohen: #ubuntu-motu is where you can ask, they maintain that...
[06:06] <jasoncohen> ok
[06:06] <karljp> jasen: as of rightnow, no.
[06:06] <cyphase> dabaSlon, haha
[06:06] <goofrider> jasoncohen, universe is maintained by the community and probably doesn't follow the same release cycle
[06:06] <dabaSlon> dont bother them too much, though, since they dont like being bothered.
[06:06] <klaus^^^> any ideeas
[06:06] <klaus^^^> ?
[06:07] <goofrider> but yeah, ask them
[06:07] <dabaSlon> cyphase: did you have an answer?
[06:07] <jasoncohen> goofrider, is there a comprehensive package list?
[06:07] <goofrider> jasoncohen, packages.ubuntu.com
[06:07] <cyphase> dabaSlon, i assume you mean you think ubuntu isn't a good server distro?
[06:08] <dabaSlon> no, I mean, ther is no ubutnu server, as such.
[06:08] <jasoncohen> goofrider, is ubuntu more or less up to date than debian testing? i know it has kde 3.4 and gnome 2.10 which testing will have when sarge releases but only security/bugfixes are applied right?
[06:08] <goofrider> jasoncohen, universe doesn't have everything Sid has
[06:08] <dabaSlon> there are server programs on ubuntu.
[06:08] <goofrider> jasoncohen, Ubuntu is more up-to-date then testing
[06:08] <dabaSlon> Several in fact, what kind of server do you want, which port??
[06:08] <dabaSlon> hah
[06:08] <dabaSlon> which port...
[06:08] <klaus^^^> any help on my problem yet
[06:08] <klaus^^^> ?
[06:08] <KarlosII> when running xchat as user and I try to save files using xchat dcc feature I get permission denied even though it's point to my user home dir?
[06:08] <cyphase> dabaSlon, yes, i know
[06:08] <jasoncohen> goofrider, how is it "stable" if it's a snapshot from testing?
[06:08] <jasoncohen> *sorry, from unstable
[06:09] <karljp> it's not.
[06:09] <cyphase> dabaSlon, stop being a smart-ass
[06:09] <cyphase> ;)
[06:09] <karljp> it just generally is
[06:09] <karljp> just like sid generally is
[06:09] <goofrider> jasoncohen, by the time Sarg eis released with'll have Gnome 4.10 and KDE 6..6
[06:09] <karljp> they clean up a bit here and there.
[06:09] <karljp> but for instance imgseek is just busted oturight
[06:09] <klaus^^^> it may influence if the ata drive is the master one
[06:09] <goofrider> jasoncohen, it's a snapshot from Sid
[06:09] <klaus^^^> and the s-ata si the slave oane
[06:09] <dabaSlon> cyphase: I asm asking you a simple question, what srver do you want?
[06:09] <klaus^^^> and i runing ubuntu on my sata
[06:09] <dabaSlon> Ill tell you how to get it to:)
[06:09] <cyphase> dabaSlon, ohh, lol, i c
[06:09] <jasoncohen> goofrider, um, sarge is being released in two weeks or so
[06:10] <goofrider> jasoncohen, Debian's requirement is VERY DIFFERENT from us
[06:10] <cyphase> dabaSlon, a general server. web server, mail server, ftp server
[06:10] <goofrider> jasoncohen, they have to compile on 11 architetures, we only have 3
[06:10] <dabaSlon> what is a general server?
[06:10] <jasoncohen> goofrider, true- but i believe it'll be only 4 for the next release
[06:11] <cyphase> dabaSlon, fine, if you want to be picky..
[06:11] <goofrider> jasoncohen, and we only have to get all of main and restricted working. Debian has to get main + contrib + etc. all working on 11 archs
[06:11] <karljp> that's the big debate in debian land right now :)
[06:11] <dabaSlon> I am not beign, I just dont know what it is...
[06:11] <jasoncohen> goofrider, yeah- well, that's why debian is stable, lol
[06:11] <dabaSlon> I use vsftpd, although I used proftpd, then also, sudo apt-get install apache , or sudo apt-get install apache2 , will install apache web server.
[06:11] <goofrider> jasoncohen, and that's why they have unmanageable release cycles
[06:11] <goofrider> :P
[06:12] <dabaSlon> sudo apt-get install openssh-server should install ssh.
[06:12] <dabaSlon> cyphase: remote login=general server?
[06:12] <jasoncohen> goofrider, so? the "stable" release is for mission critical servers
[06:12] <jasoncohen> everyone else uses testing or unstable
[06:12] <cyphase> i want to set up a web server, an ftp server, and a mail server on the same computer
[06:12] <goofrider> do u have to install an ftp server? sftp over ssh maybe all u need (and much muhc MUCH more secure)
[06:12] <Kartagis> hello
[06:12] <cyphase> dabaSlon, a web server, ftp server, mail server, and name server
[06:12] <cyphase> lol
[06:12] <goofrider> jasoncohen, then DON'T compare Ubuntu to Debian stable
[06:13] <jasoncohen> goofrider, does universe upgrade? universe has gaim 1.1.4. I have gaim 1.30 (2 releases ahead)
[06:13] <henkie_> hello.... is it possible to mount my ntfs disk???
[06:13] <klaus^^^> dma problem here
[06:13] <klaus^^^> any help yet
[06:13] <Kartagis> can you help me with the application 'webcam'?
[06:13] <Seveas> cyphase, apache2, vsftpd, courier, bind9
[06:13] <Seveas> :)
[06:13] <Kartagis> henkie_: yes
[06:13] <cyphase> yes yes, i know
[06:13] <jasoncohen> goofrider, i'm not- i was comparing it with testing/unstable
[06:13] <dabaSlon> sounds goo, seveas, thanks.
[06:13] <henkie_> kartagis.. can you explain me how?? :)
[06:13] <dabaSlon> :)
[06:13] <jasoncohen> goofrider, i was only making the point that their release cycle is what it is because stable isn't meant for desktop usage.
[06:13] <goofrider> jasoncohen, actually I think universe gets frozen after release as well, along with main. I haven't seen a new package in universe since release
[06:13] <dabaSlon> good even.
[06:13] <Kartagis> henkie_: just use the good ol' mount command
[06:14] <dabaSlon> cyphase, if you type this in a terminal.
[06:14] <Seveas> goofrider, indeed, all is frozen
[06:14] <henkie_> ok... and what is the good command?? :) im a noob at linux :p
[06:14] <Seveas> henkie_, man mount
[06:14] <goofrider> jasoncohen, but neither testing and unstable is as stable as Ubuntu release
[06:14] <Kartagis> mount -t ntfs /dev/hdax /mnt/windows or something like that
[06:14] <Kartagis> x may vary
[06:14] <dabaSlon> sudo apt-get install apache2 && sudo apt-get install vsftpd && sudo apt-get install courier && sudo apt-get install bind9
[06:14] <cyphase> Sevas, dabaSlon, i need a tutorial that can help me set everything up, such as BIND configuration, quotas for the ftp server, etc etc
[06:14] <jasoncohen> goofrider, ok, so ubuntu is more up to date when released on major packages (KDE & Gnome) but it doesn't get updates like testing/unstable gets
[06:14] <dabaSlon> you will have all four installed, maybe,.
[06:14] <cyphase> dabaSlon, i know what i need installed
[06:14] <Seveas> Kartagis, and dont forget the dmask/fmask options :)
[06:14] <henkie_> ok
[06:14] <henkie_> :)
[06:15] <henkie_> i will try
[06:15] <cyphase> dabaSlon, and i can do the basic stuff
[06:15] <dabaSlon> hah, well, read the fine lmanuals.
[06:15] <goofrider> jasoncohen, once it's released, it's frozen, there's secuirty updates just like Debian stable
[06:15] <Kartagis> k
[06:15] <jasoncohen> goofrider, i highly doubt that. Ubuntu is taking a snapshot of unstable. Testing for debian must be testing for 2-10 days + have no major bugs
[06:15] <Kartagis> can you help me with the application 'webcam'?
[06:15] <goofrider> jasoncohen, think Debian stable with a desktop focus and a 6 month release cycle
[06:15] <jasoncohen> testing is actually more stable than almost any other distro
[06:15] <damn> how do you wirite to ntfs. i heard it can be done but it not safe
[06:16] <goofrider> jasoncohen, we take a snapshot of Sid and spend 6 months to fix everything
[06:16] <Seveas> damn, you cannot do it without expensive commercial tools
[06:16] <damn> like what
[06:16] <jasoncohen> goofrider, yeah- i wish testing got security updates
[06:16] <Seveas> paragon ntfsmount oslt
[06:16] <goofrider> jasoncohen, Sarge existed for like 3 years, it better be more stable than other distros :P
[06:17] <Kartagis> damn: last I heard, you can only overwrite a file with the same name and size
[06:17] <Seveas> Kartagis, true
[06:17] <Kartagis> that sux
[06:17] <Seveas> but that's pretty useless :)
[06:17] <Kartagis> and that
[06:17] <karim> error : failed to initialize HAL !
[06:17] <jasoncohen> goofrider, i'm looking through the package list and i'm not seeing security updates. firefox is at 1.02 (i have 1.0.4- a critical update), gaim is at 1.1.4 (i have 1.3), openvpn at 1.9rc16 (i have 2.0 stable) etc.
[06:17] <Kartagis> sux & pretty useless
[06:17] <gregg_> hi people
[06:17] <karim> when I enter the session I got this error
[06:17] <goofrider> jasoncohen, I'm not dissing Debian, I'm just saying they're different goals with different philosophies, you can't apply one to the other
[06:17] <jasoncohen> and firefox is a main package
[06:18] <karim> Kartagis, apt-cache show sux
[06:18] <goofrider> jasoncohen, all the sec fixes from 1.0.4 is backported to 1.0.2
[06:18] <jasoncohen> i understand that, but i think it's a mistake to compare debian stable and ubuntu
[06:18] <jasoncohen> brb
[06:18] <karim> hi
[06:18] <damn> damn it micro$oft will be coming out with winFS. that is going to make it worse
[06:18] <Kartagis> karim: huh?
[06:18] <goofrider> jasoncohen, u are the one who's making the comparision
[06:18] <hawke> damn: yeah, in like 10 years.
[06:19] <gangalee> the option to change window behavior to 'open in same window' is found where in gconf editor?
[06:19] <jasoncohen> goofrider, backported? Weren't 1.0.3 and 1.0.4 only security updates?
[06:19] <karim> should there be a fstab line for the cdrom or is handled by pmount in /media ?
[06:19] <jasoncohen> i didn't realize anything else was changed
[06:19] <jamie_> I can't seem to get ethernet working on a laptop which uses a broadcom chipset. i tried to install the driver but 'make' failed. it said "linux kernel source tree not found" . any ideas ?
[06:19] <Kartagis> karim: there should
[06:19] <karim> so I have a problem with HAL
[06:19] <hawke> jamie_: you'll need the linux kernel source tree.
[06:20] <karim> on ubuntu hoary powerpc
[06:20] <karim> error : failed to initialize HAL !
[06:20] <Flav> sorry, Dave
[06:20] <jamie_> hawke: where would i get that and how would i install it ?
[06:20] <goofrider> jasoncohen, that's what I understand as well, and I was told what I told u. as the core team if u want
[06:20] <goofrider> ask**
[06:20] <jasoncohen> goofrider, heh, ok
[06:20] <jasoncohen> thanks for the info
[06:21] <goofrider> I'm just a luser
[06:21] <karim> karim, I don't have a /cdrom folder
[06:21] <Xgates> ahhhh
[06:21] <hawke> jamie_: linux-source-versionnumber
[06:21] <Xgates> :p
[06:21] <jasoncohen> goofrider, i like the fact that ubuntu has KDE 3.4. I just ubuntu used debian's repositories as the "universe" component doesn't change. There have already been a number of updates already in debian testing missing from universe
[06:21] <goofrider> jasoncohen, so what about Debian downsizing?
[06:21] <Xgates> hey is Gamin needed in Ubuntu, what is it being used for?
[06:21] <gangalee> +v
[06:22] <jasoncohen> goofrider, in order to have a 12-18 month release cycle debian will only be officially releasing in 4 archs
[06:22] <Xgates> I need to kill some stuff in this box, Ubuntu has to much stuff going on here
[06:22] <Seveas> gamin it is, file monitoring...
[06:22] <goofrider> jasoncohen, u can import packages from Sid if u want
[06:22] <Seveas> gamin is needed*
[06:22] <jasoncohen> goofrider, they will release in others but possibly at a later time and with the support of devs on those archs
[06:22] <jasoncohen> goofrider, is that safe?
[06:22] <Seveas> jasoncohen, not really
[06:22] <Seveas> might break :)
[06:22] <Xgates> Seveas, yeah I know BUT in what way, for monitor, and will Ubuntu croak if I remove it
[06:22] <goofrider> jasoncohen, good move. Debian really should've spun off all the minor archs as a subproject along time ago
[06:23] <goofrider> jasoncohen, it's safe if u know what u'r doing. Somehow i think u can manage  :)  ujust pin your repos religiously
[06:23] <Seveas> Xgates, gnome-vfs and gnomecommander use it
[06:24] <Seveas> for things like automounting iirc
[06:24] <goofrider> jasoncohen, I wouldn't say that to a n00b, of course
[06:24] <jasoncohen> goofrider, probably, but i actually consider testing to be quite up to date. It has newest versions of openvpn, gaim, firefox, mozilla and even mythtv
[06:24] <jasoncohen> actually scratch that- i installed firefox and mozilla from unstable with no ill affects
[06:24] <goofrider> jasoncohen, i don't think u'll be stupid enough to pull glibc from Sid, for one  :)
[06:24] <Xgates> I mean man I only had Xchat open and Xine and I'm up to 500mb being used now in Gnome
[06:24] <Xgates> thats crazy
[06:25] <Xgates> I can see 300mb max but 500
[06:25] <Xgates> damm
[06:25] <karim> Kartagis, that's wrong, it's in /media now
[06:25] <Xgates> ;/
[06:25] <goofrider> jasoncohen, it's FROZEN, of course it stable  :P
[06:25] <Kartagis> karim: whatever
[06:27] <goofrider> jasoncohen, Sarge is at the end of a 3 yr release cycle.
[06:27] <jasoncohen> goofrider, yes
[06:27] <Xgates> well I need to kill off some stuff
[06:27] <goofrider> 3 butt-fucking years
[06:28] <goofrider> jasoncohen, u do realize that most Debian users who switched to Ubuntu because they got tired of waiting for Sarge, right?  :)
[06:28] <Flav> goofrider: +1
[06:28] <Xgates> ok Im not to big on acpi, so if I'm running  "acpi-support" compiled in the kernel, acpid doesn't really have to be running to take advantage of that kernel support does it?
[06:28] <Seveas> +1 here too
[06:28] <goofrider> :)
[06:28] <Xgates> I never did quite understand the dameon versus the kernel support for the mobo
[06:28] <Xgates> hmm
[06:28] <Flav> i missed the "every 6 months" of RHL
[06:29] <jasoncohen> goofrider, why were they using woody then? Debian stable and Ubuntu stable are completely different. They should have been using testing if they wanted new packages.
[06:29] <fsapo> hi all, i have 2 process crashed, and it saying: Initerruptible, and i can manage how to kill them :( any ideas?
[06:29] <Seveas> fsapo, kill -9?
[06:29] <jasoncohen> the only downside to testing is that it doesn't get quick security updates which is now changing
[06:30] <fsapo> Seveas, it isnt working
[06:30] <goofrider> Flav, isn't that's what Fedora supposed to be...? oh wait, they have a much lower QA expectations.
[06:30] <goofrider> hahahahahahahahhahaha
[06:30] <dr_willis> Hmm. I notice that the kdm login tool has a way to see the xdmcp logins allowed, but i cant find a similer feature in gdm. does one exist? or am i missing somthing obvious.
[06:30] <Seveas> FC and QA?????
[06:30] <jasoncohen> goofrider, heh, everyone hates FC
[06:30] <goofrider> no kidding
[06:30] <Seveas> FC is the suck
[06:31] <Seveas> (sorry 'bout the language)
[06:31] <goofrider> Sid is more stable than FC for crying out loud
[06:31] <gregg_> there are still some people who like FC though
[06:31] <goofrider> even Gentoo is more stable than FC
[06:31] <Flav> how many commercial distros based on Ubuntu?
[06:31] <goofrider> did I just say that?  hehe
[06:31] <gregg_> I sometimes see binary packages explicitly made for it
[06:31] <goofrider> Flav, nope yet
[06:31] <fsapo> damit i cant kill the proccess :(
[06:32] <fsapo> why is it saying Uniterruptible?
[06:32] <Flav> at some point, RH will have to consider merging their FC efforts with Ubuntu and doing RHEL based on ubuntu releases
[06:32] <goofrider> gregg_, because they still think Fedora is Red Hat
[06:32] <Flav> because if they don't, someone will
[06:32] <foxiness> fc has adv and disadv like other u can not say its total bad or not
[06:32] <jasoncohen> RHEL is quite stable
[06:32] <jasoncohen> and fedora is a test release for RHEL
[06:32] <goofrider> Flav, RH won't do that. Fedora is RH's testbed
[06:33] <goofrider> Flav, u think we're gonna allow ourselves to become Red hat's guinea pigs, i don't think so
[06:33] <gregg_> goofrider: well, RH also sucked :)
[06:33] <Flav> goofrider: perhaps a silly question, but what would you be able to do to stop a commercial distro based on ubuntu?
[06:34] <goofrider> foxiness, if u like bleeding edge, FC is kewl. But having the bleeding edge stuff doesn't necessarily mean that they got them to actually work
[06:34] <foxiness> on package fc3 may has 4000 package but its i think its well know that 16000 here
[06:34] <goofrider> Flav, nope. GPL is GPL
[06:35] <Flav> goofrider: right, so if RH (or whoever) decided to make an Ubuntu-based distro, you would be their guinea pig by proxy :)
[06:35] <goofrider> Flav, if a commericial distro take Ubuntu and voilate the GPL then, we can legally stop them.
[06:35] <goofrider> Flav, no but it won't be Ubuntu. They can't shove Xen in out repo and say, install this by default
[06:36] <Flav> goofrider: there's no GPL violation going on here
[06:36] <jasoncohen> goofrider, fc3 is missing a lot of stuff from extras and core
[06:36] <goofrider> Flav they'll have their own distro with their own guinea pigs, away from us
[06:36] <Flav> goofrider: true, they wouldn't change Ubuntu, but they'd benefit from Ubuntu's QA
[06:36] <jasoncohen> for example, in order to install nessus you have to install from atrpms which is a death wish for any box
[06:37] <jasoncohen> and rpmforge conflicts with extras making things even more fun
[06:37] <goofrider> Flav, they won't. Because it'll only compensate for their negative QA
[06:37] <Flav> negative QA?
[06:37] <goofrider> net QA = -1
[06:37] <Xgates> welp clean time
[06:37] <Xgates> don't need ppp
[06:37] <gregg_> will it be possible to configure the X server by GUI in the future? I mean basic stuff, like resolution.
[06:38] <gregg_> and no, xrandr isn't really enough :)
[06:38] <goofrider> gregg_, it's that a target for the modular xorg?
[06:38] <defkkon> maybe with sax2 someday...
[06:39] <karim> ls -l /usr/bin/pmount
[06:39] <karim> what does it gives you ?
[06:39] <Xgates> Bicycle Repair
[06:39] <Xgates> LOL
[06:39] <gregg_> goofrider, huh? what do you mean?
[06:39] <Xgates> flat tire anyone
[06:39] <Xgates> sheesh I dont think I need this
[06:39] <foxiness> where can i find info about to use clam on ubuntu can someone please point me
[06:39] <misieq> I set up kde on ubuntu and i have a problem with polish fonts
[06:39] <Xgates> what the heck does a refactoring tool for Python do?
[06:39] <gregg_> in my special cases the x server defaulted to 1600x1200 on my 17" just because DPMS reported it is capable of doing that
[06:39] <Xgates> hmm
[06:39] <misieq> i installed the kde-i18n-pl package, but the default font was bitstream vera and there were no polich signs
[06:40] <Flav> foxiness: if you've installed it, /usr/share/doc/clamav
[06:40] <misieq> so i changed it to freesans
[06:40] <misieq> but in some apps like knode polish signs are not displayed
[06:40] <foxiness> Flav, thanks
[06:40] <misieq> what should i do with it?
[06:40] <gregg_> pretty insane resolution for that little screen :)
[06:41] <damn> is expore2fs safe???
[06:41] <jasoncohen> gregg_, i have a 1400x1050 on a 15"
[06:41] <Kartagis> damn: for what?
[06:41] <goofrider> misieq, maybe knode isn't usigng the system default fonts? check it's font dialog
[06:41] <damn> reading ext2,3 in windows
[06:41] <gregg_> jasoncohen: probably TFT screen
[06:41] <Kartagis> damn: yea, I read successfully
[06:42] <jasoncohen> TFT?
[06:42] <goofrider> damn, it's rad-only, it ought to be safe
[06:42] <goofrider> read-only
[06:42] <misieq> goofrider, i checked, i also changed it to freesans and it didn't help
[06:42] <jasoncohen> i've seen 1600x1200 15". The only problem with those is that you're blind by the second day :)
[06:42] <damn> that is all i need
[06:42] <goofrider> TFT = active matrix LCD
[06:43] <foxiness> what could be install with clamav ?
[06:43] <misieq> i get some boxes instead polish letters
[06:43] <jasoncohen> foxiness, i know a guy in debian who uses clamav
[06:43] <misieq> are there any fonts i could use?
[06:43] <jasoncohen> in fact he backported it to debian stable. perhaps you can ask him
[06:43] <jasoncohen> misieq, have you tried the msfonts package?
[06:44] <rgould> I just did a new installation. When I try to do 'su' on the console, I get Authentication Failed. But when I enter the password while running Synaptic from Gnome, it accepts it. What's going on?
[06:44] <goofrider> jasoncohen, goodidea
[06:44] <jasoncohen> misieq, apt-get install msttcorefonts
[06:44] <foxiness> jasoncohen, did i need to ask this q on debian channel
[06:44] <misieq> i have another linux running with proper fonts and the main font there is 'Sans'
[06:44] <goofrider> rgould, sudo su -
[06:44] <rgould> goofrider, thanks
[06:45] <goofrider> rgould, ut try to use sudo by itself. like sudo <cmd>
[06:45] <jasoncohen> i had openoffice line spacing issues on mdk and debian and the fix both times was ms fonts
[06:45] <goofrider> rgould, sudo is safer, in our opinion
[06:45] <rgould> ok. I will read up on sudo. Haven't used it before.
[06:45] <jasoncohen> foxiness, yeah, ask in #debian if anyone uses clamav.
[06:45] <jasoncohen> i can get you the guys name i know
[06:45] <goofrider> rgould, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:45] <papas_> hello
[06:46] <foxiness> jasoncohen, thanks
[06:46] <jasoncohen> foxiness, ask Agragag-
[06:46] <papas_> I would like to know if I can make a shortcut from a folder to the desktop
[06:46] <rgould> goofrider, awesome, thanks
[06:46] <goofrider> foxiness, wear your fireproof suit b4 u go into #debian. u gonna need it
[06:46] <goofrider> rgould, np
[06:46] <dr_willis> :)
[06:46] <goofrider> papas_, Right clik, make link, then drag the link to desktop
[06:47] <papas_> thanks!
[06:47] <danwolf> I recently installed ubuntu on an HP laptop, and everything seems to work fine but the wireless network, it is a broadcom, can someone help through gettin it working?
[06:47] <papas_> hmm  goofrider, that option is disabled
[06:48] <goofrider> papas_, ??? Maybe u don't have write permission for that folder
[06:48] <papas_> hmm
[06:48] <jasoncohen> goofrider, how long have you been using ubuntu and what did you use before it?
[06:48] <papas_> I'll change users
[06:48] <gregg_> anyone knows if there is a good and practical solution for software audio multiplexing available in linux?
[06:48] <papas_> thanks
[06:48] <abarbaccia> gregg_, try audacity
[06:48] <gregg_> or being worked on...
[06:48] <misieq> goofrider, erm it wants to download something from http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe, but the proper link is http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe... how can i make it download from the other site?
[06:49] <danwolf> I recently installed ubuntu on an HP laptop, and everything seems to work fine but the wireless network, it is a broadcom, can someone help through gettin it working?
[06:49] <misieq> nevermind... it works now
[06:49] <goofrider> jasoncohen, 2 months. Never used linux on desktop b4
[06:49] <abarbaccia> danwolf, i did this for a friend - its not too difficult
[06:49] <gregg_> abarbaccia, that's not what I mean: for exampling playing MP3s and gaming/flash plugin running
[06:49] <jasoncohen> goofrider, you seem pleased with ubuntu
[06:49] <goofrider> jasoncohen, tried Sarge for a few days a yr ago
[06:49] <gregg_> s/exampling/example/
[06:49] <jasoncohen> goofrider, you didn't like it?
[06:49] <abarbaccia> gregg_, for playin mp3s i use amarok its the fullest media player i know of for linux
[06:50] <abarbaccia> danwolf, to get it working you need to install and use a program called ndiswrapper
[06:50] <nobile> goofrider, I still can't use the make link
[06:50] <goofrider> jasoncohen, tried so live cds here and there. I like Jpackage.org's RPM repo and been tempted to use an RPM distro. But I just prefer Debian's policy, FHS and packaging system and QA
[06:50] <danwolf> abarbaccia: ok
[06:50] <gregg_> abarbaccia, simultaneously
[06:50] <abarbaccia> danwolf, you need to download the windows drivers, put them in a directory, and tell ndiswrapper from the commandline to install those drivers - search google for a how-to so you can get the idea - i took me 10 minutes with a friends
[06:50] <goofrider> nobile, ln -s /path/to/file
[06:50] <danwolf> abarbaccia: and thats it?
[06:50] <abarbaccia> gregg_, no idea
[06:50] <jasoncohen> lol, i tried a suse live cd and it didn't even work
[06:50] <goofrider> nobile, that's what I do.
[06:50] <danwolf> abarbaccia: ok thanks
[06:51] <jasoncohen> goofrider, being able to apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade is wonderful
[06:51] <danwolf> abarbaccia: I will look around
[06:51] <Seveas> danwolf, wiki.ubuntu.com/NdiswrapperHowto
[06:51] <gregg_> there are only crappy solutions for playing multiple audio streams with multiplexing in software
[06:51] <goofrider> jasoncohen, yes that's basically why I put up with not having good java support  :P
[06:51] <jasoncohen> and no rpm distro can safely do a distribution upgrade
[06:51] <gregg_> like sound servers or dmix (which is pure crap, btw)
[06:51] <abarbaccia> danwolf, it takes a little bit - you need to do 2 things really, first - install the drivers ' ndiswrapper -i <windows driver file> '  , followed by a modprobe ndiswrapper
[06:51] <abarbaccia> danwolf, its pretty simple
[06:51] <gregg_> well, that's what I found
[06:52] <danwolf> abarbaccia: great
[06:52] <chiefofthejojos> gregg_: sounds like you know your linux audio.  Can you give me a quick reccomendation for recording/mixing software?
[06:52] <jasoncohen> goofrider, no java?
[06:52] <goofrider> jasoncohen, Debian's FHS always feels more natural to me. But I guess I should try out RHEL just because most businesses use that
[06:52] <foxiness> is there GUI for clamav on ubuntu ?
[06:52] <gregg_> chiefofthejojos, audacity, as mentioned before :)
[06:53] <chiefofthejojos> cool, thanks.  I thought that would be a good one.  I like audacity alot
[06:53] <goofrider> jasoncohen, no comprehensive java package repo like Jpackage.org, I mean
[06:53] <jasoncohen> ah, ok
[06:53] <jasoncohen> i thought you were talking about j2re which is easy to do
[06:53] <goofrider> jasoncohen, tomcat is still @ 4.1 in Sid, no tomcat package in Ubuntu, and tomcat is @ 5.5 now
[06:56] <gangalee> how do you determine if you're running Warty or Hoary? I installed vers. 5.04
[06:56] <Flav> gangalee: sources.list, but 5.04 is hoary
[06:56] <goofrider> jasoncohen, I never tried Sid because I didn't like the uncertainty of stability, and Sarge just didn't cut it. Ubuntu was perfect though.
[06:57] <goofrider> gangalee, that;s Hoary
[06:57] <danwolf> exit
[06:57] <jasoncohen> goofrider, what was wrong with sarge?
[06:57] <Flav> gangalee: should also be able to cat /etc/issue
[06:58] <goofrider> jasoncohen, it was missing a lot of package when I tried a year ago
[06:58] <Xgates> I put marillat in my sources.list and I thought blackbox-0.70.0 would be in it
[06:58] <Xgates> hmm
[06:58] <lukasz> hi everyone
[06:58] <lukasz> i am new
[06:58] <goofrider> Xgates, blackbox is in universe I thought
[06:58] <lukasz> can some one tell me waht i can do here
[06:58] <Xgates> goofrider, I'm talking 0.70.0 not 0.65.0
[06:59] <goofrider> Xgates, and if u don't know what you're trying to get from Marillat, I'd recommend u remove it altogether. Marillat is dangerous if u don't know what u'r doing
[06:59] <yourghetek> can someone point me in the direction of a sources.list?
[06:59] <goofrider> Xgates, check Marillat's Release file and look for it then
[07:00] <goofrider> Xgates, all I'm saying if u have to ask what u just asked, u shouldn't be using Marillat
[07:00] <Xgates> ok its in breezy ---> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/x11/blackbox
[07:00] <goofrider> Xgates, don't mix Breezy packages with Hoary
[07:00] <Xgates> goofrider, I've only been using Ubuntu a few days NOT Linux
[07:00] <Xgates> LOL
[07:00] <billytwowilly> is breezy somewhat safe to upgrade to now?
[07:01] <goofrider> billytwowilly, hell no
[07:01] <Xgates> goofrider, all I want is Blackbox and thats not going to mess up anything
[07:01] <Xgates> :-)
[07:01] <Seveas> billytwowilly, breezy is totally broken :)
[07:01] <Seveas> see the topic :)
[07:02] <billytwowilly> That's unfortunate. I upgraded to hoary 2 weeks after warty came out and it was nice.
[07:02] <nobile> nobile goofrider!  I know what I need to do, and it didn't need to be the owner or root or anything
[07:02] <nobile> nobile I only had to drag and drop pressing ctrl+shift
[07:02] <billytwowilly> lol, sorry, I've been logged in so long I haven't looked at the topic;)
[07:02] <goofrider> Xgates, don't say it didn't warn u. If u pulled a core lib from Breezy accidentally than u'll be absolutely fucked
[07:02] <Seveas> nobile, why are you typing your own name?!?
[07:02] <Xgates> thats ok I'll just dl it from here --> http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/blackbox/blackbox_0.70.0-3_i386.deb
[07:02] <goofrider> nobile, haha kewl
[07:02] <Xgates> goofrider, no I'll just get the one bb .deb and dpkg -i install it
[07:02] <Xgates> :-)
[07:03] <goofrider> Xgates, that's very wise  :)
[07:03] <nobile> seveas, I had written it in another channel =P
[07:03] <Xgates> hehe
[07:03] <Seveas> ah ;)
[07:03] <Xgates> I know the Linux deal
[07:03] <Xgates> WoOt
[07:03] <Seveas> Xgates, have you gone through decontamination already?
[07:03] <Seveas> ;)
[07:03] <Xgates> RoFl
[07:04] <root__> how do you install a .deb package
[07:04] <Seveas> yourghetek, you definitely need decontamination :)
[07:04] <root__> whats the command
[07:04] <Seveas> root__, dpkg -i [the filensme] 
[07:04] <Seveas> root__, dpkg -i [the filename] 
[07:04] <yourghetek> im decontaminating from windows
[07:04] <root__> thanks
[07:04] <gregg_> what the heck is breezy, by the way?
[07:04] <yourghetek> window manager
[07:04] <billytwowilly> the next release of ubuntu
[07:05] <billytwowilly> breezy badger
[07:05] <yourghetek> i think
[07:05] <Seveas> gregg_, it'll be the new version
[07:05] <Seveas> it's broken now :)
[07:05] <goofrider> and it's BROKEN
[07:05] <gregg_> ok, thanks for the info :)
[07:05] <yourghetek> haha i thought it was a window manager
[07:05] <yourghetek> damn
[07:05] <gregg_> kubuntu is a bit broken, too
[07:05] <Xgates> Seveas, you'd be proud as a Ubuntu noob, compiled a new kernel stripped to the barebone, because I'm using Audigy LS and I then had to compile alsa-driver, that I then needed to compile nvidia-kernel, and then kill just about all the services I could, all just after install 8 hours straight figuring it out
[07:05] <Xgates> :-)
[07:05] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[07:05] <yourghetek> i was about to do the nvidia thing too
[07:06] <Seveas> Xgates, well, i'm ptoud to have bought decent hardware ;)))
[07:06] <yourghetek> then i found a script
[07:06] <Xgates> no I gots a LEAN and Mean well almost lean Ubunut box
[07:06] <Xgates> WoOT
[07:06] <goofrider> gregg_, kubuntu is a community project i think, so they have a different QA
[07:06] <gregg_> yeah, I know goofrider...
[07:06] <gregg_> but still, the user are really fucked ;)
[07:06] <Xgates> Seveas, I got a killer box just put it together the other day all new excpet the dvd and cdrom and case
[07:06] <gregg_> s/user/&s/
[07:06] <billytwowilly> kubuntu actually works quite well.
[07:07] <goofrider> Xgates, did u use make-kpkg for your kernel?
[07:07] <St0n3-C0l> Gaim 1.3.0 is in the backports?
[07:07] <gregg_> billytwowilly, that's true (using it right now), but there is are rather strange bug involving an update of kdelibs-data
[07:07] <Xgates> XP 3000+ 512mb PC3200 with dfi Nforce2 mobo, maxtor diamond 10 160gb, and well just a measly 5200FX 128mb, WHICH I plan on getting a 6800GT in a few weeks
[07:07] <Xgates> :-)
[07:07] <Xgates> goofrider, yes
[07:08] <billytwowilly> gregg_: yah, I don't know what's up with that. I think you have to delete some file.
[07:08] <goofrider> gregg_, yeah.. If i wanted KDE on Debian Knoppix might be somewhat better
[07:08] <Seveas> Xgates, aarggh nforce
[07:08] <goofrider> Xgates, so u did RTFM  :)
[07:08] <gregg_> you have to delete knetworkconf, update kdelibs-data and install knetworkconf again...
[07:08] <gregg_> crazy shit :)
[07:08] <goofrider> Xgates, what distro didu come from?
[07:08] <gregg_> goofrider, gosh, hell no :)
[07:09] <goofrider> gregg_, yeah I discovered that as well
[07:09] <phester> how do I update ubuntu?
[07:09] <goofrider> gregg_, WHAT?
[07:09] <misieq> goofrider, i installed these but there are no new fonts in 'fonts' configuration window
[07:09] <goofrider> phester, apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[07:09] <Seveas> phester, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[07:09] <gregg_> goofrider, knoppix ain't better than kubuntu
[07:09] <phester> ok, thx
[07:09] <Seveas> goofrider, && is better in this case
[07:10] <yourghetek> phester: say "upgrade please" into your microphone
[07:10] <Xgates> goofrider, :
[07:10] <Xgates> ---> xgates@ubuntu:~/Misc/Packs$ ls
[07:10] <Xgates> alsa-driver_1.0.8-4-1_i386.deb  linux-image-2.6.10_1_i386.deb  nvidia-kernel-2.6.10_1.0.7174-0ubuntu2+1_i386.deb
[07:10] <Xgates> goofrider, Slackware
[07:10] <phester> yourghetek, yeah...thx
[07:10] <yourghetek> oh!
[07:10] <goofrider> Xgates, oh ok. that's old skool
[07:10] <Xgates> the past 5 years in Slack
[07:10] <gregg_> Xgates: you don't habe to download all the stuff manually :)
[07:10] <Xgates> yep Im a hands on compile them build them
[07:11] <misieq> goofrider, i installed these but there are no new fonts in 'fonts' configuration window
[07:11] <yourghetek> phester, you might get an error with one of the dev libs
[07:11] <yourghetek> oh nevermind thats kubuntu
[07:11] <goofrider> misieq, i don't know
[07:11] <Xgates> gregg_, yes of course, thats why I'm using Ubuntu, not much time for all the compile BUT I'll still tweak it out and compile my kernel and set it up as close to Slack as can be
[07:11] <Funraiser> someone's using gdesklet? (i think that's the name of it)
[07:11] <Xgates> :-)
[07:12] <Seveas> gdesklets it is
[07:12] <misieq> goofrider, do u think reboot may help?
[07:12] <Xgates> and IF ever really need be I'll compile and make some .deb packs if Ubuntu doesnt have what I might want
[07:12] <goofrider> misieq, log out then log in might help
[07:12] <Funraiser> someone's using gdesklets?
[07:12] <goofrider> misieq, no reboot neccessary ever in Linux  :)
[07:12] <misieq> :>
[07:12] <gregg_> Xgates, maybe you'd like freebsd?
[07:13] <root__> i like furries
[07:13] <goofrider> how about Linux from Scratch, that';s right up your alley  LOL
[07:13] <Xgates> gregg_, yeah I used Free before pretty nice, you gots to love that speed and performance of that kernel :-)
[07:14] <Xgates> Funraiser, I heard that adesklets is suppose to be nice too
[07:14] <root__> FURRIES
[07:14] <Funraiser> i'll check
[07:14] <Xgates> Funraiser, I used gdesklets before somewhat in Slack
[07:14] <root__> Arnald does too
[07:14] <Xgates> Funraiser, wait I'll show ya my Openbox3 screenshot over at Openbox running them
[07:14] <Funraiser> k
[07:15] <root__> you know what that neans
[07:15] <Xgates> Funraiser, ---> http://icculus.org/openbox/screenshots.php
[07:15] <Xgates> Funraiser, the one ---> From Slackcare.com
[07:15] <Xgates> that is when I ran that Slackware package support site
[07:15] <Funraiser> k
[07:16] <Xgates> all the good ole Slack days in OpenBox
[07:16] <Xgates> GREAT Wm
[07:16] <Xgates> :-)
[07:16] <goofrider> openbox?
[07:17] <Xgates> yeah
[07:17] <Xgates> http://icculus.org/openbox/
[07:17] <Xgates> ran that Wm for the past 3 years is all
[07:17] <Xgates> I hate big desktops like this ahhh cough&^$%cough Gnome
[07:17] <Xgates> LOL
[07:18] <Xgates> BB, or OpenBox3 is all I can handle for Size
[07:18] <lok> then use fvwm
[07:18] <Xgates> nah to big
[07:18] <goofrider> y not use xfce or something?
[07:18] <lok> fvwm ????
[07:18] <Xgates> BB & OpenBox much smaller
[07:18] <goofrider> well fvwm is small alright
[07:18] <Xgates> yeah but not small enough for me
[07:19] <lok> Xgates, bb is not smaller than fvwm
[07:19] <gregg_> twm is teh rox
[07:19] <Xgates> I mean you use BB and OpenBox for 5 years and then try something on bigger
[07:19] <goofrider> what a good GUI file manager for alternative WMs?
[07:19] <Xgates> Talk about getting a stuffy feeling in bigger desktops
[07:19] <Xgates> hehe
[07:19] <neighborlee> I have /media/DriveE is in fstab and I can browse to it in the filesystem..but its not showing up in nautilus when I launch it via: Places :computer..what would cause this ???
[07:19] <gregg_> goofrider, rox-filer maybe
[07:19] <lok> Xgates, times changes
[07:20] <goofrider> gregg_, can't stand rox, no tree view no right click
[07:20] <gregg_> no right click? huh?
[07:20] <goofrider> or maybe there is and I need to RTFM???? :)
[07:20] <Xgates> lok, BB is alot smaller then fvwm :-)
[07:20] <Xgates> I've used just about every Wm and desktop out there
[07:20] <gregg_> goofrider, I don't any good "alternative" FM
[07:20] <lok> Xgates, I have try both of them too
[07:20] <goofrider> stop comparing sizes
[07:20] <gregg_> don't know
[07:21] <ogi_> Any idea how I can make my logitec mx310 mouse work in hoary 5.04?
[07:21] <goofrider> gregg_,  i guess nautilus --no-desktop it is  :)
[07:21] <gregg_> I need features like FTP and SFTP support all the time, nautilus and konqueror are the only ones supporting this stuff nicely
[07:21] <nalioth> goofrider: MC the oldesnt and the best! heh heh
[07:22] <goofrider> gregg_, welll that because those fileman uses the VFS support in their respective DE
[07:22] <gregg_> goofrider: I use worker sometimes :)
[07:22] <goofrider> nalioth, hahahaha u'r right  ;)
[07:22] <goofrider> gregg_, worker?
[07:22] <gregg_> it's an amiga style filemanager
[07:22] <gregg_> a bit like directory opus :)
[07:22] <rustyx51> hi
[07:22] <goofrider> gregg_, cute
[07:23] <rustyx51> what's the adress for the french chat for ubuntu please?
[07:23] <gregg_> it's quite a fuss to configure though and does not support ftp nor sftp
[07:23] <dataw0lf|w> #ubuntu-fr I assume
[07:23] <goofrider> #ubuntu-fr???
[07:23] <rustyx51> thanks
[07:23] <Funraiser> yes it's the one
[07:23] <goofrider> gregg_, nor smb
[07:23] <gregg_> well... I don't need that
[07:24] <goofrider> we need a userland vfs standard
[07:24] <gregg_> yeah
[07:24] <gregg_> I'd like to see userland NFS as well
[07:24] <goofrider> well userland VFS should support and FS that the kernel supports  :)
[07:24] <goofrider> any*** FS
[07:25] <goofrider> gregg_, what's NFS's advantage?
[07:25] <gregg_> unix file permissions
[07:26] <gregg_> you don't get that with smb - ftp is too limited as well
[07:26] <Xgates> ahh they have waimea listed in Synaptic
[07:26] <Xgates> hehe
[07:26] <goofrider> gregg_, ah... forgot about that  :)
[07:26] <Xgates> I wonder when that guys is ever going to get it out of CVS
[07:26] <goofrider> gregg_, can't u do umsdos over smb?
[07:26] <Xgates> guys/guy .....
[07:26] <goofrider> gregg_, just wondering
[07:26] <Raider|Ukraine> hi :)
[07:26] <goofrider> Xgates, ??????
[07:27] <gregg_> goofrider, crazy idea
[07:27] <goofrider> Xgates, speacking of CVS, VFS support for CVS and SVN would be nice too  ;)
[07:27] <gregg_> I don't think so - it probably needs FAT as underlying FS
[07:27] <Raider|Ukraine> I have a CD-box version of Ubuntu. In the small box there are 2 cd's inside: livecd & install cd.
[07:27] <Raider|Ukraine> On LiveCD we have preinstalled apps and Gnome
[07:27] <gregg_> and anyway, umsdos is probably broken nowadays
[07:27] <Raider|Ukraine> But on InstallCD, after finishing all setup process I'll get only shell without any window manager tongue.gif I need manually download kde/gnome and then setup it manually too? smile.gif
[07:27] <Raider|Ukraine> ;)
[07:28] <gregg_> Raider|Ukraine: maybe you did a server installation?
[07:28] <goofrider> gregg_, it's linux, I thought I'm supposed to be creative  ;)
[07:28] <gregg_> that's how it is called I think...
[07:28] <gregg_> hehe
[07:28] <Raider|Ukraine> gregg_: i don't know :P but by default it have window manager? :)
[07:29] <goofrider> Raider|Ukraine, u might have insyalled the server version
[07:29] <goofrider> Raider|Ukraine,  apt-get install ubuntu-desktop will get u where we are
[07:29] <hans_> can any1 tell me how to install my lexmark allinone x74
[07:29] <Raider|Ukraine> goofrider: ok. thanks. i'm trying it :D
[07:29] <jeroen_> Raider|Ukraine, do sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:29] <jeroen_> Raider|Ukraine, the sudo part is important
[07:30] <goofrider> hans_, if it's USB, u can just add the printer using the printer prefences and it's mostly automatic
[07:30] <Raider|Ukraine> I am not choosing "server" or something else... i've just put cd and install it :D
[07:30] <jacquesmerde> would there be any point in installing ubuntu if i immediately removed all of gnome and ran xfce4 instead?
[07:30] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, install ubuntu with the server option
[07:30] <Seveas> and xfce after that
[07:30] <goofrider> Raider|Ukraine, maybe u'r in runlevel 1, maybe gdm or xorg didn't install correctly, it can be a lot of things
[07:31] <Raider|Ukraine> k. thanks a lot :D
[07:31] <goofrider> jacquesmerde, just install the server version, then install xfce
[07:31] <Raider|Ukraine> going to try right now
[07:31] <gregg_> Raider|Ukraine, what kind of machine are you trying to install ubuntu on?
[07:31] <Raider|Ukraine> machine? :)
[07:31] <jacquesmerde> Seveas, goofrider the server version? please explain!
[07:31] <Raider|Ukraine> 5.04 for x86
[07:31] <gregg_> well, what are the specs (cpu, ram and so on)
[07:32] <nalioth> Raider|Ukraine: pentium, apple, sun sparcstation
[07:32] <goofrider> jacquesmerde, type "server" at the boot prompt when u boot from installer cd
[07:32] <Raider|Ukraine> barton3200 /512ram / radeon9600xt
[07:32] <gregg_> ok
[07:32] <Raider|Ukraine> ;)
[07:32] <Xgates> telnet client installed in Ubuntu
[07:32] <gregg_> I thought maybe ubuntu would default to a server install on low-end machinery?
[07:32] <Xgates> ohhh now thats too much
[07:32] <Xgates> lol
[07:32] <jacquesmerde> but what IS the server version? is it exactly the same as the normal version, but minus the userland stuff, with no packages or services that the normal version doesnt?
[07:32] <goofrider> Raider|Ukraine, can u "startx"???
[07:32] <Raider|Ukraine> goofrider: not trying it
[07:33] <gregg_> jacquesmerde, all desktop related stuff removed
[07:33] <goofrider> try it  :)
[07:33] <Raider|Ukraine> ok
[07:33] <Raider|Ukraine> thx
[07:33] <jacquesmerde> yeah, but nothing extra?
[07:33] <Raider|Ukraine> rebooting :D
[07:33] <neighborlee> I am wondering about  /media/DriveE in that it is in fstab and I can browse to it in the filesystem..but its not showing up in nautilus when I launch it via: Places :computer..can someone help me diagnose why this is so ? ;-)thx <<
[07:33] <Hoxzer> hi
[07:33] <gregg_> jacquesmerde, no... it's just a minimal installation, basically
[07:34] <Hoxzer> somebody knows how to use UMTS self phone as a modem with linux?
[07:34] <shido6> how do I play my movies out to my tv ( radeon 9800 AIW )
[07:34] <dabaSlon> Hey, I wanna buy a new boomerang, I was wondering if anyone knows a good way to get rid of the old one....
[07:34] <jacquesmerde> so if i install the server version, can i just do a sudo aptitude install xfce4, which will catch all the xfce4 components, plus all dependencies (xorg, etc...)?
[07:34] <shido6> i get a black box where the movie should be
[07:34] <nalioth> Raider must have more than one machine Smile.gif
[07:34] <Choubaka> "Smile.gif"?
[07:34] <gregg_> jacquesmerde, exactly :)
[07:34] <jacquesmerde> can someone give me a url to a list of all the packages that the server option installs?
[07:34] <goofrider> Hoxzer, it should be just like using a regular modem
[07:35] <gregg_> shido6, try to use something else than xv for video output
[07:35] <nalioth> Choubaka: scroll up and look at some of Raider|Ukraines texts
[07:35] <Hoxzer> Goot: also with USB data cable?
[07:35] <dabaSlon> noone gets teh boomerang joke??
[07:35] <goofrider> Hoxzer, well then it should be just like using a USB modem  :)
[07:35] <Choubaka> hmm.
[07:35] <ogi_> How do I edit "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"? nothing happens when I try to write
[07:35] <goofrider> Hoxzer, I haven't used a modem in 5 yrs
[07:35] <waterbeetle> Howto change the splash default screen w/ ubuntu?
[07:35] <Hoxzer> ok...
[07:36] <Choubaka> I wonder what to do with my new fbsd :P
[07:36] <Hoxzer> I should get it working before I move to amsterdam
[07:36] <yourghetek> how do i apt-get everything with a certain thing in the name?
[07:36] <goofrider> Hoxzer, but if no-one else can help u here, search about USB modem on the wiki and forum
[07:36] <jeroen_> dabaSlon, I get it :p
[07:36] <dabaSlon> Check this picture out then, if that was not funny... http://www.mts.net/~danb/alt+ctrl+del.png
[07:36] <gregg_> waterbeetle, administration -> login screen
[07:36] <yourghetek> this is what i want to do "apt-get install *bluez"
[07:36] <Hoxzer> ok :)
[07:36] <HappyFool> ogi_: you need to be root. what editor are you using?
[07:36] <waterbeetle> gregg_, not the login screen, the splash screen
[07:37] <ogi_> I did it as sudo with gedit
[07:37] <gregg_> ahh, you are using lilo I guess?
[07:37] <HappyFool> ogi_: say it's gedit. then type 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf' in a terminal window
[07:37] <waterbeetle> grub
[07:37] <HappyFool> ogi_: err
[07:37] <jacquesmerde> how do i find the list of packages the server option installs? i'm looking, but no luck...
[07:37] <HappyFool> ogi_: what error does gedit give?
[07:37] <goofrider> waterbeetle, grub in ubuntu has no splash by deulfat
[07:37] <dabaSlon> did you check out the altctrldel picture?
[07:37] <ogi_> HappyFool,  none..
[07:37] <gregg_> waterbeetle, anyway, why need a splashscreen? :)
[07:38] <waterbeetle> goofrider, maybe its not splash, but the screen between the login and the desktop
[07:38] <HappyFool> ogi_: after you've finished the edit, you need to restart x
[07:38] <goofrider> waterbeetle, and I don't think Ubuntu supplies a grub splash bitmap
[07:38] <goofrider> waterbeetle, oh that's the gnome splash
[07:38] <waterbeetle> yup
[07:38] <ogi_> HappyFool,  the problem is I can't edit it..nothing happens when I try to write and so on..
[07:38] <waterbeetle> gnome splash
[07:38] <dabaSlon> :( noone likes jokes:(
[07:39] <gregg_> ogi_, you are opening the file read-only I think
[07:39] <Funraiser> i have gdesklets, how can i run the time for example? anybody knows?
[07:39] <dabaSlon> well, this is a stress channel, I guess.
[07:39] <HappyFool> ogi_: oh, you mean when you try to type?
[07:39] <ogi_> HappyFool,  yes
[07:39] <goofrider> dabaSlon, what joke?
[07:39] <goofrider> hahahahhahhahaahhahahahahaahhahhahah
[07:39] <HappyFool> ogi_: hrm
[07:39] <goofrider> dabaSlon, is that better?
[07:39] <dabaSlon> goofrider: Hey, I wanna buy a new boomerang, I was wondering if anyone knows a good way to get rid of the old one....Check this picture out then, if that was not funny... http://www.mts.net/~danb/alt+ctrl+del.png
[07:39] <dabaSlon> thanks, goof.
[07:40] <gregg_> dabaSlon, OMFGROLRLOLLOOOLL satisfied?
[07:40] <HappyFool> ogi_: that only happens to me when i start gedit *without* sudo
[07:40] <dabaSlon> thanks, greg
[07:40] <HappyFool> ogi_: try 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf' again?
[07:40] <goofrider> waterbeetle, i can't even remember where the gnome splash is
[07:40] <dabaSlon> k, im off, good luck all with your issues.
[07:40] <Helmutt> Hi all!
[07:40] <Helmutt> When I try to install gstreamer0.8-lame, I get this error:
[07:40] <Helmutt> gstreamer0.8-lame:
[07:40] <Helmutt>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[07:40] <Helmutt> What do I do?
[07:40] <goofrider> dabaSlon, haha that's cute. that dude should patent that and license it to M$
[07:40] <Funraiser> dabaSlon, i thik it's funny
[07:41] <dabaSlon_wrk> thanks, guys.
[07:41] <waterbeetle> so its in grub then..
[07:41] <HappyFool> ogi_: also, check the permissions on /etc/X11/xorg.org -- try 'ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[07:41] <HappyFool> ogi_: it should look something like this: '-rw-r--r--  1 root root 3036 2005-04-13 22:13 /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[07:41] <ogi_> How stupid am I really..I didn't do it as sudo after all..I seem to become blind..
[07:41] <goofrider> waterbeetle, no it's in gnome
[07:41] <ogi_> thanks anyawy
[07:41] <HappyFool> ogi_: ah-ha ;)
[07:42] <goofrider> waterbeetle, i just can't find it, but it's in gnome.
[07:42] <waterbeetle> goofrider, yup i can't find it either...
[07:42] <gregg_> ogi_,  sudo chmod -R 777 /etc ;-)
[07:42] <goofrider> anyone know where the gnome splash screen preference is??????
[07:42] <Funraiser> i clicked run selected desklet but nothing appears...
[07:43] <Funraiser> gooffrider, i changed that once, hold on
[07:43] <Helmutt> System > Preferences > Sessions
[07:43] <Gwildor> goofrider, umm, isnt there a menu option?
[07:43] <Funraiser> goofrider, i changed that once, hold on
[07:43] <goofrider> it's for waterbeetle , he asked about it
[07:43] <Helmutt> System > Preferences > Sessions
[07:43] <goofrider> he wants CHANGE it
[07:44] <Gwildor> im pretty sure ther is an option in the menu..........dont run gnome, or I would look
[07:44] <goofrider> not disabling it
[07:44] <Gwildor> there you go Helmutt
[07:44] <Helmutt> aaah sorry ;)
[07:44] <goofrider> sorry should've been more clear
[07:44] <waterbeetle> funraiser, yes, I want to change it, can't find it anywhere...
[07:44] <goofrider> I went through all the mneus already
[07:44] <dabaSlon_wrk> goofrider: get the alternative splash first.
[07:45] <waterbeetle> dabaSlon_wrk, which alt splash?
[07:45] <Hoxzer> what is best software for linux to convert avi to mpg?
[07:45] <goofrider> waterbeetle, the alt splash packages in apt
[07:45] <jeroen_> waterbeetle, the one you want to use
[07:45] <goofrider> I assume
[07:45] <Funraiser> the splash screen is the login screen on startup?
[07:45] <dabaSlon_wrk> well, if you wanna change it, get the one you wanna change it to.
[07:45] <jeroen_> waterbeetle, i guess
[07:45] <dabaSlon_wrk> Ill get you a link to read it up./
[07:45] <goofrider> Funraiser, the splash after GDM login
[07:45] <goofrider> thanks dabaSlon_wrk
[07:45] <dabaSlon_wrk> there we go: http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#q8 .
[07:46] <dabaSlon_wrk> taht is a working one, I tried.
[07:46] <dabaSlon_wrk> in the past...
[07:46] <goofrider> Hoxzer, not sure if it's the best but ffmpeg is old and reliable
[07:46] <dabaSlon_wrk> And, the art.gnome.org site has other ones you can get, got that water?
[07:47] <waterbeetle> dabaSlon_wrk, I searched synaptic, it has Ksplash, and a package of splash .png's
[07:47] <dabaSlon_wrk> http://art.gnome.org/themes/splash_screens/
[07:47] <Sionide> i know the guy who runs art.gnome.org :)
[07:47] <dabaSlon_wrk> there you go.
[07:47] <goofrider> Sionide, name dropper
[07:47] <waterbeetle> dabaSlon_wrk, I got the .png
[07:47] <dabaSlon_wrk> water, ok, sounds goo, do the faq dance:)
[07:47] <Sionide> eh?
[07:47] <gregg_> Hoxzer, mencoder should be able to do that, ffmpeg should also work fine
[07:47] <goofrider> ;)
[07:47] <Hoxzer> ok :)
[07:48] <dabaSlon_wrk> as burgundavia said last night, the three button dance, for upgrading through synaptic
[07:48] <dabaSlon_wrk> waterbeetle: did you figure it out, can I go to wrk?
[07:48] <dabaSlon_wrk> :)
[07:48] <Hoxzer> will it reduce my video quality if I convert avi to mpg?
[07:48] <gregg_> Hoxzer, of course it will
[07:48] <goofrider> Hoxzer, avi is just a container
[07:48] <dabaSlon_wrk> why, off course...
[07:48] <dabaSlon_wrk> :)
[07:48] <goofrider> Hoxzer, it can be any compression format inside
[07:49] <dabaSlon_wrk> waterbeetle: do you think you figured it out, tho?
[07:49] <gregg_> goofrider, I don't think he'll just exchange the container :)
[07:49] <Q_Continuum> are the 3d binary drivers for nvidia cards on the Hoary install CD?
[07:49] <goofrider> gregg_, but if the AVI was like, um, Indeo5, then u don't lose shit
[07:49] <gregg_> Hoxzer, every conversion between lossy formats like divx, mpeg, mp3 (...) will reduce the quality
[07:49] <joserp> Hi
[07:49] <gregg_> goofrider, if it uses indeo, you should simply delete the file :)
[07:50] <goofrider> hehehe
[07:50] <dabaSlon_wrk> yo joserp
[07:50] <dabaSlon_wrk> Im out.
[07:50] <waterbeetle> Funraiser, any luck finding out howto change splash?
[07:50] <Funraiser> waterbeetle, nope
[07:50] <Xgates> which pak in Ubuntu has X11 libraries or header?
[07:50] <dabaSlon_wrk> waterbeetle: for gnome?
[07:50] <goofrider> Hoxzer, but what I was getting at is that u need the right codec to decompress the AVI first
[07:50] <waterbeetle> dabaSlon_wrk, yes, gnome
[07:50] <gregg_> Q_Continuum, don't think so. but available in multiverse or universe
[07:50] <dabaSlon_wrk> well, are you ignomring me or sthg?
[07:50] <Funraiser> waterbeetle, u checked system/administration/login screen setup?
[07:50] <dabaSlon_wrk> http://art.gnome.org/faq.php no. 8 tells you step by step.
[07:50] <joserp> do anyone know if usb is broken in breeze? the lsusb doesn't show me anything and /proc/bus/usb is mounted as usbfs but it doesn't contain anything
[07:51] <henkie_> hello... what's the console code to create a new map??
[07:51] <dabaSlon_wrk> through the conf editor,...
[07:51] <joserp> can anyone help me please?
[07:51] <waterbeetle> Funraiser, yes
[07:51] <nalioth> waterbeetle: did you ask uncle google how to change splash?
[07:51] <Seveas> joserp, breezy is broken
[07:51] <Badness45> does anyone no where i can get the package libdvdcss2 from
[07:51] <Seveas> do NOT use it
[07:51] <goofrider> Hoxzer, and depending on what codec the source is, u should consider using a better format like MPEG2 or Divx/xvid for your target, if it's applicable to what u wanna do
[07:51] <waterbeetle> hehe, yup
[07:51] <dabaSlon_wrk> waterbeetle: http://art.gnome.org/faq.php no 8 tells you.
[07:51] <waterbeetle> conf editor
[07:51] <Seveas> dbus is broken, which makes usb automount fail
[07:51] <waterbeetle> thx
[07:51] <dabaSlon_wrk> yup
[07:51] <dabaSlon_wrk> follow step 8 tho, its not easy.
[07:51] <joserp> ok Seveas thanks
[07:51] <henkie_> what is the consol code to create a new map.. can somone hlp me pls??
[07:51] <hans_> is linuxprinters.org offline?
[07:51] <Funraiser> i don't understand which one is the splash screen...u mean the small icons?
[07:51] <stuNNed> hi Seveas
[07:51] <Hoxzer> Goof: I want to conver divx/xvid to mpg couse divx is too heavy for my laptop
[07:51] <nalioth> Badness45: in the universe or multiverse
[07:52] <dabaSlon_wrk> funraiser
[07:52] <Funraiser> yes?
[07:52] <Badness45> what do u mean
[07:52] <Funraiser> :-/
[07:52] <dabaSlon_wrk> http://art.gnome.org/themes/splash_screens/
[07:52] <Seveas> hi stuNNed
[07:52] <dabaSlon_wrk> there is it
[07:52] <nalioth> Badness45: you have to update your apt-get to use more repositories
[07:52] <Funraiser> k
[07:52] <dabaSlon_wrk> its the little screen that has teh icons when you log in.
[07:52] <waterbeetle> gotcha, thx
[07:52] <Badness45>  how do i do that
[07:52] <waterbeetle> I got it
[07:52] <dabaSlon_wrk> and I told waterbeetle WHERE TO do it...
[07:52] <goofrider> Hoxzer, i c. but how about downcodinf divx/xvid to a lower res?
[07:52] <dabaSlon_wrk> sorry caps.
[07:52] <gregg_> henkie_, map?
[07:52] <dabaSlon_wrk> bye
[07:53] <waterbeetle> yes, thanks dabaSlon_wrk
[07:53] <nalioth> Badness45: go to ubuntuguide.org and look at restricted formats
[07:53] <Badness45> o
[07:53] <Badness45> ok
[07:53] <henkie_> yes.... like /usr/henkie
[07:53] <stuNNed> Seveas: which marillat should I use?  'unstable' or 'testing' with Hoary?
[07:53] <Seveas> testing
[07:53] <henkie_> a new map to put items in....
[07:53] <henkie_> or install programs in...
[07:53] <Hoxzer> yes.... but it will make my video quality lower ....
[07:53] <goofrider> Hoxzer, well, do what u wanna do. FFmpeg and mencoder willl do what u want regardless :)
[07:53] <stuNNed> Seveas: ah ok thanks muchos :D
[07:53] <Funraiser> dabaSlon_wrk, there is one of those at startup?
[07:53] <Seveas> and even that can bring you problems :)
[07:53] <Hoxzer> yes.... but it will make my video quality lower ....
[07:53] <stuNNed> Seveas: LOL :)
[07:54] <Helmutt> tried to open a .ogg file with rythmbox, the it said: Internal GStreamer error: pad problem.  File a bug.
[07:54] <Helmutt> What do I do?
[07:54] <Funraiser> waterbeetle, i found it
[07:54] <Funraiser> waterbeetle, http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#q8
[07:54] <gregg_> Hoxzer, it's not that bad, depends very much on how you encode
[07:54] <waterbeetle> Funraiser, thx, I did too
[07:54] <nalioth> Helmutt: visit bugzilla.ubuntu.org and file a bug
[07:55] <Seveas> Helmutt, try other media players, if they work, file a bug on rhythmbox
[07:55] <goofrider> Funraiser, dabaSlon_wrk already supplied that link about half an hr ago
[07:55] <goofrider> LOL
[07:55] <Helmutt> ok? :S What should I write... It aint much information in it... :S
[07:55] <gregg_> Helmutt, mplayer should play every single crappy media file out there
[07:55] <waterbeetle> yes, yes quality support from many people...
[07:55] <Funraiser> well actually it was the link for the gnome art, there was a faq there
[07:55] <waterbeetle> :)
[07:55] <Seveas> Helmutt, can you send me the .ogg file?
[07:55] <goofrider> Funraiser, I hate it when that happends. U go the hard route to help someone and when u come back it's not needed anymore
[07:56] <hans_> im getting crazy...i cant install my lexmark allinone x74...any help?
[07:56] <Seveas> Helmutt, if it is not to big, please mail it to dennis@kaarsemaker.net
[07:56] <goofrider> Funraiser, he linked to the faq, #8 specifically as well
[07:56] <Badness45> i don't see where it says restricted formats
[07:56] <Badness45> will i be able to get it from there
[07:56] <Helmutt> ok...
[07:56] <Funraiser> goofrider, oh sorry then
[07:57] <goofrider> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ResitrictedFormats as well
[07:57] <goofrider> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:57] <Badness45> ok
[07:57] <Badness45> what is this for
[07:59] <gregg_> totem doesn't work for me at all
[07:59] <gregg_> even for mp3s it reports that the codec isn't supported
[07:59] <goofrider> gregg_, u have w32codecs and the gstreamer plugins right?
[07:59] <gregg_> what could be wrong there?
[08:00] <gregg_> w32codecs no, gstreamer yes
[08:00] <goofrider> again, ee http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:00] <goofrider> again, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:00] <zenrox> or ubuntuguide.org
[08:00] <Hoxzer> goot: now I have installed ffmepg how I should run it?
[08:01] <gregg_> these restrictions are only enforced on ubuntu-main, right?
[08:01] <goofrider> #ffmpeg????
[08:01] <gregg_> I installed vlc and mplayer, they both work fine
[08:01] <goofrider> gregg_, restrictions are enforced by the patent owners, not us
[08:02] <goofrider> we just don't wanna get sued, that's all
[08:02] <Badness45> vlc don't work for me
[08:02] <Badness45> only bootlegs dvd
[08:02] <gregg_> sure, but some distributions don't care about them
[08:02] <Badness45> and i hear no sound
[08:02] <timte> apache2ctl -l doesn't show mod_proxy - how do I enable it?
[08:02] <goofrider> Badness45, u need decss or libdvd???
[08:02] <Badness45> where do i get it from
[08:03] <goofrider> Timbo, a2enmod???
[08:03] <jamie_> i'm having trouble getting my wireless card working. its using the ndiswrapper and appears to be working however it doesn't connect to my network.
[08:03] <zenrox> Badness45,  agine read ubuntuguide.org
[08:03] <Timbo> goofrider: ???
[08:03] <goofrider> run a2enmod
[08:03] <Hoxzer> damn im lucky that I got my sounds working :)
[08:04] <Hoxzer> now I can listen music in airplane
[08:04] <goofrider> Hoxzer, yes u r indeed
[08:04] <goofrider> Hoxzer, u got your sound working on your airplane as well?
[08:04] <goofrider> wow
[08:04] <timte> goofrider: thanks, seems to be working
[08:04] <goofrider> np
[08:04] <Hoxzer> also
[08:05] <Hoxzer> I still have some problems with my helicopter
[08:05] <gregg_> running apt-get install gstreamer* :)
[08:06] <gregg_> let's see if this brute force method will help
[08:06] <jeroen_> gregg_, if you want absolutely all gstreamer stuff (libs etc), maybe apt-get install *gstreamer* works better?
[08:06] <dballester> hi to all
[08:07] <jeroen_> hi to dballester
[08:07] <HappyFool> i would've thought maybe gstreamer0.8* might be an idea
[08:07] <gregg_> jeroen_, I just want all the plugins
[08:07] <jeroen_> gregg_, aha
[08:07] <HappyFool> doesn't marillat have gstreamer- packages ? i had some problems with that on warty
[08:07] <gregg_> HappyFool, that's what I actually did, sorry
[08:07] <jeroen_> are they not on the plugins site?
[08:07] <jason^> ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/par
[08:07] <nalioth> Badness45: if you follow the guide for restricted formats, you should be able to apt-get most anything you need
[08:07] <goofrider> jeroen_, there's a plugin site?
[08:08] <Amaranth> Ok, how many people in a linux channel would you expect to have mIRC?
[08:08] <dballester> i'm trying to create an alias for my eth0. I come from RH world and i wanna know where to get info about fileconfig for ip aliases, TIA
[08:08] <jeroen_> goofrider, is there not?
[08:08] <jeroen_> Amaranth, about 2?
[08:08] <gregg_> Amaranth, I'd like to make a statistic myself :)
[08:08] <Amaranth> jason^ must have thought there would be more
[08:08] <HappyFool> gregg_: i'm sure gstreamer0.8-sid (for music written for C64 chips) will come in super-handy ;-)
[08:08] <nalioth> Amaranth: ok i'll bite. how many?
[08:08] <goofrider> ididn't know there is one
[08:09] <stuNNed> HappyFool: LOL
[08:09] <^rob> hey all, is there any way to tell the system even if / was not cleanly unmounted?
[08:09] <gregg_> jeroen_, many more probably
[08:09] <Amaranth> nalioth: I don't know. :)
[08:09] <goofrider> BTW, never leave a can of peanuts on the floor, I just spill it all over
[08:09] <gregg_> HappyFool, it uses sidplay1... sounds like crap :)
[08:09] <Badness45> ok i read the page
[08:09] <gregg_> HappyFool, IIRC
[08:09] <Choubaka> sids are cool
[08:09] <Choubaka> HVSC contains many cool sid tunes.
[08:09] <HappyFool> gregg_: ok, i guess maybe you *do* want all those weird codecs then
[08:10] <gregg_> Choubaka, yeah
[08:10] <goofrider> there's a VST plugin called QuadraSid that's really kewl
[08:10] <gregg_> nothing's better than the real machin tho
[08:10] <gregg_> +e
[08:10] <Badness45> how do i install the package decss
[08:10] <Tezkah> terrorists use DeCSS
[08:10] <Choubaka> hmm
[08:10] <Tezkah> the MPAA told me
[08:10] <jeroen_> Badness45, you mean libdvdcss?
[08:10] <Choubaka> Tezkah: Hahaha.
[08:10] <rrichie> hi all
[08:10] <Choubaka> Tezkah: Don't live in America :D
[08:11] <Tezkah> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-14960.html
[08:11] <rrichie> is there a package of freevo for ubuntu ?
[08:11] <gregg_> Choubaka, you know tsunami/booze design? has an impressive soundtrack! really great!
[08:11] <HappyFool> Tezkah: terrorists drink water!
[08:11] <Tezkah> I live in Canada
[08:11] <jeroen_> Tezkah, yup, and we're commies, or so mr gates told us
[08:11] <Badness45> where doi i get the libdvdcss
[08:11] <Tezkah> jeroen_: I live in Soviet Canuckistan
[08:11] <Choubaka> Tezkah: Cool.
[08:11] <Tezkah> I know all about communism
[08:11] <nalioth> Badness45: go to ubuntuguide.org and look at restricted formats
[08:11] <dballester> what info i need to put in /etc/network/interfaces to create an ip alias for device eth0 ? TIA
[08:11] <HappyFool> Badness45: have you read ubuntuguide.org and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats carefully ?
[08:11] <Tezkah> you live on the back of a shark?
[08:11] <Tezkah> cool
[08:11] <Choubaka> only in winter.
[08:12] <nalioth> Tezkah: canuckistan?
[08:12] <Tezkah> hehe
[08:12] <Badness45> i read it
[08:12] <Tezkah> nalioth: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2002/10/31/3057.html
[08:12] <Badness45> under where it says dvd right
[08:12] <Hoxzer> How do I run FFMEPG?
[08:12] <nalioth> Badness45: yes under "how to play dvd"
[08:12] <HappyFool> Badness45: that seems like a good place to start
[08:12] <Tezkah> oh wait, even better
[08:12] <Tezkah> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Canuckistan wikipedia'd
[08:13] <stuNNed> Tezkah: lol
[08:13] <rrichie> is there a package of freevo for ubuntu ?
[08:13] <gregg_> the gstreamer SID plugin really hurts my ears
[08:13] <nalioth> Tezkah: better than the louisiana relatives (you guys are canooks, the louisianan french are "coon-asses"
[08:13] <goofrider> rrichie, not sure not there's MythTV for sure
[08:13] <Tezkah> heh
[08:13] <Tezkah> oh good, Firefox can do both autoscroll and still use the text buffer
[08:13] <stuNNed> not really heh live in new orleans city so not really a coon-ass
[08:14] <nalioth> stuNNed: you are of the french descent?
[08:14] <rrichie> i prefer freevo ;(
[08:14] <gregg_> hmm
[08:14] <stuNNed> nalioth: not really
[08:14] <nalioth> ah, well thats a coon-ass
[08:14] <goofrider> Badness45, http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[08:14] <gregg_> I don't get it why the open-url-in-clipboard-by-middleclick-feature is disabled in ubuntu firefox by default
[08:15] <HappyFool> Badness45: both ubuntuguide.org and the RestrictedFormats page tell you how to install CSS
[08:15] <goofrider> rrichie, make a package of freevo for us and submit it to universe then  :)
[08:15] <Badness45> when i run this it says /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[08:15] <Badness45> i get an error
[08:15] <goofrider> Badness45, did u sudo?
[08:15] <rrichie> goofrider : i'd like but i'm not a good package
[08:15] <rrichie> packager
[08:16] <nalioth> Badness45: why r u running a script? apt-get will do it for you with no problem
[08:16] <goofrider> rrichie, if u want it that bad, then learn. I'm starting to learn to package as well
[08:17] <goofrider> rrichie, then everyone can benefit from having freevo  ;)
[08:17] <HappyFool> nalioth: he's doing it cos that's what the RestrictedFormats page says to do
[08:17] <HappyFool> nalioth: so he's actually following instructions ;)
[08:17] <Badness45> i am
[08:17] <goofrider> rrichie, alterantively though, u can always sumbit a request to the MOTUs and see if someone wnats to pick it up
[08:18] <stuNNed> what is a MOTU?
[08:18] <goofrider> Master of the Universe, the universe maintainers
[08:18] <nalioth> HappyFool: really? i used apt to install mine
[08:18] <HappyFool> Badness45: if you don't tell us what the error is, we won't be able to help you
[08:18] <stuNNed> goofrider: ah ok thanks
[08:18] <nalioth> HappyFool: what is the end diff btwn .sh and apt?
[08:18] <HappyFool> nalioth: yeah, me too. i actually wonder how legal that script is
[08:18] <Badness45> no binary deb available
[08:18] <HappyFool> nalioth: sh is the shell (bash, probably)
[08:18] <goofrider> hmmm... i wonder as well
[08:18] <HappyFool> nalioth: it's a script to install decss
[08:19] <jazzka> hi!
[08:19] <goofrider> I never tried th ubuntugiode's stuff actaully  LOL
[08:19] <Badness45> yo need to have debhelper,dpkg-dev and fake root installed
[08:19] <stuNNed> only thing used it for here is the numlockx tip heh
[08:19] <stuNNed> nalioth: nice
[08:19] <jazzka> is there anything I can do to boot ubuntu faster?
[08:19] <HappyFool> Badness45: it might be easier to follow the instructions on ubuntuguide.org
[08:19] <nalioth> goofrider: HappyFool i never knew ubuntuguide was there til a couple days ago
[08:19] <Badness45> sorry guys i am new and trying to learn thid
[08:19] <Badness45> this
[08:19] <goofrider> jazzka, upgrade your CPU????
[08:20] <goofrider> jazzka, j/k  :)
[08:20] <waterbeetle> hehe
[08:20] <jazzka> I mean, by software
[08:20] <nalioth> jazzka: go to ubuntuguide.org    Read it carefully
[08:20] <gregg_> http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/images/old_and_new_paris.jpg interesting
[08:20] <HappyFool> Badness45: have you added the repositories as suggested at ubuntuguide.org ?
[08:20] <nalioth> jazzka: there are many ways to the end you seek
[08:20] <goofrider> no more paris hilton
[08:20] <goofrider> LOL
[08:20] <Badness45> hold everybody is giving me mixed signals here
[08:20] <Badness45> which is the best way to get this done?
[08:20] <gregg_> goofrider: well, she looked quite good as a teen :)
[08:21] <Helmutt> Do somebody know a good guide for setting up a Logitech QuickCam under Hoary?
[08:21] <goofrider> gregg_, but better now  :P
[08:21] <nalioth> Badness45: read both site you were sent and decide which is easiest for you
[08:21] <HappyFool> Badness45: well, if you want to stick with the Wiki, you're going to have to install those packages
[08:21] <nalioth> Badness45: both sites directions work
[08:21] <gregg_> goofrider, sorry? she looks _terrible_ now :)
[08:21] <goofrider> gregg_, at least it just looked like good groooming. I doubt she had work done
[08:21] <HappyFool> debhelper, etc
[08:21] <Xgates> lets see how that looks
[08:21] <Badness45> ok thanks guys imma try them both now
[08:22] <HappyFool> well, if one works don't try the other ;)
[08:22] <goofrider> why do ppl make grub splash screens?? Like u ever get to see it
[08:22] <nalioth> gregg_: goofrider grooming and lots of cake, er, makeup
[08:22] <HappyFool> i wonder how legal that script is. does it come out of multiverse?
[08:22] <luke__> i need help
[08:22] <gregg_> nakata, haha... cake :)
[08:22] <nalioth> luke__: tell us
[08:23] <gregg_> nalioth, , haha... cake :)
[08:23] <luke__> how can i install xine in ubuntu
[08:23] <HappyFool> eek, it's out of main
[08:23] <gregg_> fucked up again
[08:23] <gregg_> luke__, it's somewhere in universe/multiverse I think
[08:23] <nalioth> luke__: sudo apt-get install totem-xine  (or gxine)
[08:23] <luke__> as totem wont read mpegs
[08:23] <nalioth> luke__: something is wrong with your system if mpgs wont read
[08:24] <gregg_> luke__, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8\*
[08:24] <Loginx> I'm experiencing an issue while installing ubuntu... At about 10% of the "installing base system" step, it dies and the message "tar: invalid tar magic" comes up... that's with 2 CDs downloaded from different mirrors and with valid md5sums...
[08:24] <goofrider> jazzka, is there a particular boot script that's stalling the boot process? like hotplug ot DHCP?
[08:24] <jazzka> goofrider, no
[08:24] <gregg_> luke__, that will make totem work
[08:24] <Badness45> ok when i use apt-get install libdvdcss2 it says E: could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[08:24] <merce> ola
[08:24] <jazzka> goofrider, some usb errors, but it doesnt slow the bootup proccess
[08:24] <goofrider> jazzka, well then it's as fast as it gets. unles u want enter the experimental world of initng
[08:25] <HappyFool> Badness45: try 'sudo apt-get ...'
[08:25] <jazzka> goofrider, have you tried it?
[08:25] <luke__> im doing the gstreamer
[08:25] <nalioth> Badness45: when you are adding things, you need to be root
[08:25] <jazzka> has anyone tried initng with ubuntu??
[08:25] <goofrider> jazzka, np. Some pl swear by it but I heard it's pretty broken as well
[08:25] <Badness45> so to go to root i say sudo -s right
[08:25] <jeroen_> Badness45, or sudo apt-get install blabal
[08:25] <goofrider> jazzka, check the forums, there are several threads about initng
[08:26] <jazzka> goofrider, ok man!
[08:26] <merce> hello people!
[08:26] <goofrider> hellp person
[08:26] <Badness45> when i am root it says the same thing
[08:26] <goofrider> Badness45, do u have synaptic open?
[08:26] <Badness45> yeah
[08:26] <goofrider> close it  :)
[08:27] <jeroen_> Badness45, can't run more than 1 apt-get program at a time
[08:27] <Badness45> ok
[08:27] <jeroen_> Are there no mythtv packages for ubuntu?
[08:27] <jeroen_> :'(
[08:27] <goofrider> jeroen_,  in multiverse  i think
[08:27] <jeroen_> goofrider, okay
[08:27] <Badness45> now it says E: Package has no installation canidate
[08:28] <merce> hello people!
[08:28] <goofrider> Badness45, did u do an apt-get update?
[08:28] <Badness45> nah
[08:28] <goofrider> merc, hello person? how can we help u?
[08:28] <Funraiser> there we go, i changed the splash screen too :-) (small things make me happy)
[08:28] <Badness45> ok i just dot the apt get update
[08:29] <Badness45> done
[08:29] <cyphase> can someone point me to a simple bind configuration for a www subdomain?
[08:29] <goofrider> Funraiser, and now u'll reboot 5x a day just to enjoy it???
[08:29] <merce> it's the first time
[08:29] <Badness45> it says the package might be missing or obselete
[08:29] <merce> enter here
[08:29] <Funraiser> goofrider, just did it :-)
[08:29] <goofrider> merce, WTF r u talking about?
[08:30] <merce> jjeje :)
[08:30] <goofrider> merce, u menat hehehehe??
[08:30] <merce> i speek english  very bad
[08:30] <Funraiser> wish i could run gdesklets though
[08:30] <stuNNed> goofrider: i think he meant it's his first time here in #ubuntu
[08:30] <goofrider> oh oh oh my bad
[08:31] <merce> yes exacly
[08:31] <nobile> merce where are you from?
[08:31] <goofrider> merce, sorry man. how can we help u> don't be shy.  :)
[08:31] <Funraiser> where are u from merce
[08:31] <luke_> i get this error
[08:31] <mvirkkil> What do you call an automatic phone service that asks you "Please press 1 for foo, press 2 for bar, press 4 for talking to a live person"?
[08:31] <luke_> "no decoders found for totem"
[08:31] <waterbeetle> parle vou francais? merce?
[08:31] <merce> i'm from mallorca (spain)
[08:31] <nobile> hola merce!
[08:31] <waterbeetle> ahh...
[08:31] <goofrider> mvirkkil, hang up
[08:32] <Funraiser> he probably didn't understand WTF anyway
[08:32] <stuNNed> hola merce
[08:32] <stuNNed> goofrider: lol
[08:32] <waterbeetle> #ubuntu-es
[08:32] <nalioth> merce in el #ubuntu-es nosotros hablas espanol
[08:32] <mvirkkil> goofrider: What do you call that service? Or system?
[08:32] <Hoxzer> aargh I have installed FFmepg and I dont know how to run it :D
[08:32] <mvirkkil> goofrider: Looking for the english word.
[08:32] <luke_> so any help..
[08:32] <merce> looool
[08:32] <nobile> merce, en #ubuntu-es hablan espaol
[08:32] <goofrider> mvirkkil, automatic phone system have 25 level recursive menus
[08:32] <stuNNed> Hoxzer: isn't it a backend to something like totem?
[08:33] <merce> i don't now,
[08:33] <stuNNed> Hoxzer: oh maybe not sorry
[08:33] <nalioth> my we are a multilingual bunch, aren't we?
[08:33] <waterbeetle> hehe
[08:33] <Funraiser> merce type /join #ubuntu-es
[08:33] <nobile> ^^
[08:33] <merce> lol
[08:33] <Hoxzer> StuNNeD: what do you mean?
[08:33] <waterbeetle> 
[08:33] <goofrider> mvirkkil, it's an automated phone menu system
[08:33] <jeroen_> mythv is gpl right; why would it be in multiverse? patents?
[08:33] <merce> aaah
[08:33] <mvirkkil> goofrider: :-)
[08:33] <goofrider> mvirkkil, no fucking acronym for it, sorry  :)
[08:33] <antonio_> can someone help me?
[08:33] <luke_> There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file
[08:34] <antonio_> how can i listen my mp3's on ubuntu?
[08:34] <nalioth> antonio_: tell us
[08:34] <Funraiser> antonio_, can we help u?
[08:34] <goofrider> jeroen_, it relies on non-free software???
[08:34] <merce> where are you from goofrider
[08:34] <stuNNed> Hoxzer: what if you just run 'ffmpeg' from command line or 'dpkg -L ffmpeg' to see what files it installed?
[08:34] <goofrider> jeroen_, multiverse = Debian contrib maintained by community
[08:34] <nalioth> luke, open synaptic as root, and search for "gstreamer", install all plugins
[08:34] <luke_> help...
[08:34] <luke_> ok
[08:34] <goofrider> merce, Seattle, US of the Jesusland
[08:35] <goofrider> yes fuck me
[08:35] <waterbeetle> haha
[08:35] <Funraiser> antonio_, install xine
[08:35] <stuNNed> lol
[08:35] <merce> aaahm
[08:35] <waterbeetle> of the republican-land
[08:35] <antonio_> k thx Funraiser
[08:35] <merce> loool
[08:35] <Funraiser> antonio_, u know how to install xine?
[08:36] <antonio_> with apt-get?
[08:36] <merce> i'm going to smoke a cigarrette
[08:36] <merce> good bye!!!
[08:36] <Hoxzer> hmm seems like I haven't installed it ://
[08:36] <luke_> only 2 werent installed
[08:36] <Funraiser> antonio_, follow http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#xine-ui
[08:36] <antonio_> ok thx
[08:37] <goofrider> u guys are soo patient
[08:37] <nalioth> goofrider: we work in a hospital?
[08:37] <goofrider> I guess I'm a BOFH
[08:37] <Funraiser> goofrider, the more linux users, the better
[08:37] <luke_> still cant play
[08:38] <gregg_> bah. the standard xine GUI is _sooo_ bad :)
[08:38] <goofrider> gregg_, yeah totem looks much nicer.... if it works  LOL
[08:38] <nalioth> goofrider: aren't we all?
[08:38] <gregg_> luke_, you have multiverse and universe in your sources.list?
[08:38] <gregg_> goofrider, it does now
[08:38] <luke_> no idea
[08:38] <luke_> how do i check
[08:38] <gregg_> luke_, if you didn't do anything, you don't :)
[08:39] <nalioth> luke google ubuntulinux.org for "restricted formats"
[08:39] <Badness45> ok i install regionset how do i run it
[08:39] <luke_> i just installed yesterday
[08:39] <goofrider> gregg_, yeah i haven't hard any issue with totem actually, but i hear ppl bitch about it all the time
[08:39] <stuNNed> goofrider: actually ubuntu is the first distro where totem hasn't crashed once
[08:39] <gregg_> goofrider, the worst thing is that the xine gui feels very sluggish
[08:39] <stuNNed> goofrider: for me at least, sorry
[08:39] <Funraiser> ok diner time, sul
[08:39] <goofrider> gregg_, there was this dude this weekend who went so far as recomiling mplayer from source
[08:39] <Funraiser> i did it once
[08:39] <gregg_> went so far?
[08:39] <anthony> i'm trying to get Gaim to connect to MSN but can't get it working. What settings should I have?
[08:40] <goofrider> stuNNed, add that to xorg as Ubuntu's huge accomplishment
[08:40] <jazzka> what p2p client do you suggest?
[08:40] <gregg_> that's pretty standard, because mplayer is not very much supported in debian/ubuntu
[08:40] <nalioth> goofrider: i compiled mplayer from source, also? what of it?
[08:40] <goofrider> anthony, it should Just Works (tm)
[08:40] <nalioth> jazzka: bittorrent
[08:40] <gregg_> goofrider, then I should have given up MUCH earlier :)
[08:41] <anthony> should I use the HTTP method or not?
[08:41] <Hoxzer> and then I need mp3 pro converter for linux
[08:41] <gregg_> jazzka, depends
[08:41] <rgould> I have a dual-head video card with two LCD monitors hooked up. How do I tell x/gnome/whatever to extend my desktop across them, rather than clone? Any tutorials on this somewhere?
[08:41] <zenrox> rgould,  is it nvidia
[08:41] <Badness45> ok i install regionset how do i run it
[08:41] <gregg_> Hoxzer, I wouldn't use mp3pro, support is ner zero (software and hardware)
[08:41] <goofrider> nalioth, nothing, just a little unecceasy IMHO... but compiling from source is a cakewalk for those ppl anyways  :)
[08:41] <gregg_> s/ner/near/
[08:41] <rgould> zenrox, I do believe so
[08:41] <Hoxzer> ok...
[08:41] <zenrox> rgould,  if so ask for help in #nvidia and read the topic
[08:42] <rgould> ok, thanks
[08:42] <gregg_> Hoxzer, if you need better compression, use ogg vorbis with abr/vbr
[08:42] <goofrider> Hoxzer, mp3 pro is not standard, it's a nonstandard extension to mp3. don't use it
[08:42] <nalioth> goofrider: for some reason (on my PPC) gmplayer wasnt there for me, so i compiled and there it was! heh heh
[08:42] <Hoxzer> Is there any software for self phone that can play ogg?
[08:42] <gregg_> gmplayer?
[08:42] <goofrider> Hoxzer, right, Ogg is better quality, better compression, VBR from the get-go, frame-accurate, and patent-free
[08:42] <gregg_> the mplayer GUI is even worse than the xine gui :p
[08:43] <goofrider> nalioth, well u use PPC, u ought to be excused  :)
[08:43] <Hoxzer> I don't need video quality I need music quality
[08:43] <stuNNed> lol @ goofrider
[08:43] <goofrider> gregg_, beep-media-player is nice for the mplayer crowd
[08:43] <Badness45> ok i install regionset how do i run it
[08:43] <Shagma_> i need help with dwl g122 crap. tried everything.... pls help!...?
[08:43] <gregg_> I rather use the command line
[08:44] <gregg_> I even tried no to, but it's simply faster and feels easier for me
[08:44] <ogi_> wow this really doesn't want to work properly
[08:44] <goofrider> gregg_, like cat my.mp3 > /dev/dsp/audio ???
[08:44] <ogi_> mouse that is
[08:44] <goofrider> j/k
[08:44] <gregg_> goofrider, well, no. like wget http://....avi && mplayer ....avi
[08:45] <Hoxzer> lol FFmpeg has lot of commands :D
[08:45] <goofrider> Hoxzer, is that good or bad??? :-D
[08:46] <Hoxzer> dunno yet :D
[08:46] <goofrider> Hoxzer, what did u use on Win32? VirtualDub?
[08:46] <goofrider> Hoxzer, FFmpeg is avail on win32 as well, plus numerous clones like Xmpeg
[08:47] <Hoxzer> but is there any software for self phone that can play .ogg sound files?
[08:47] <shadeofgrey> hey guys and gals
[08:48] <Hoxzer> I need specially small music files
[08:48] <shadeofgrey> i need help installing k3b
[08:48] <shadeofgrey> and also
[08:48] <goofrider> Hoxzer, depends on what cell phone u use
[08:48] <jazzka> any idea to customize initng to ubuntu?
[08:48] <goofrider> Hoxzer, u can get a ogg player for most smartphones I think
[08:49] <shadeofgrey> i need to make an exact duplicate of a game CD (lucas arts: republic commando) which is copy protected by some means or another.  anybody have a clue how i can make an exact copy of it?
[08:49] <gregg_> shadeofgrey, cdrdao is the best choice
[08:49] <goofrider> gregg_, does cdrdao clone protection as well?
[08:49] <gregg_> bno guarantees of course
[08:50] <shadeofgrey> okay
[08:50] <Shagma_> My dwl g122 crappes out on me, iwconfig reports sit0 no wireless extensions, but ndiswrapper is loaded with win drivers.
[08:50] <shadeofgrey> and k3b is a graphical front end for CDRDAO correct?
[08:50] <gregg_> goofrider, at least it is capable of raw reads and writes (subchannel data)
[08:50] <gregg_> shadeofgrey, no clue
[08:50] <goofrider> shadeofgrey, if u get desperate u can try and see if u can run clonecd in wine  :)
[08:50] <goofrider> gregg_, copy protection is not sub channel data, it's bad sectors
[08:51] <gregg_> and guess what? subchannel contains checksums
[08:51] <shadeofgrey> goofrider:  do you have a copy of CD clone for windows?
[08:51] <goofrider> shadeofgrey, u know the usual channels to obtians these stuff. this is not one  :)
[08:51] <goofrider> enuf said
[08:52] <hans_> how do i start cups?
[08:52] <goofrider> hans_, /etc/init.d/cups start???
[08:52] <danboid> how do I start the NFS server daemon on ubuntu?
[08:52] <goofrider> hans_, it should be started by default
[08:52] <waterbeetle> u may send your cd to a copying agency, and they will send it back with a copy...
[08:52] <goofrider> danboid, /etc/init.d/nfsd start????
[08:52] <hans_> goofrider i killed it
[08:53] <goofrider> waterbeetle, well maybe if u live in China or Russia
[08:53] <waterbeetle> yup, I do live in China
[08:53] <waterbeetle> send it here.
[08:53] <goofrider> most countries do not have such cd copying "agencies"
[08:53] <gregg_> goofrider, take a look at the --read-subchan and --read-raw options of cdrdao
[08:54] <waterbeetle> can also get you a dvd...
[08:54] <danboid> goofrider: no nfsd there- what packages need to be on?
[08:55] <goofrider> maybe it's nfs not nfsd?
[08:55] <goofrider> danboid, do u know u have it installed or no>
[08:55] <danboid> no
[08:55] <danboid> i've set up exposts and thats it
[08:55] <danboid> sorry, /etc/exports
[08:55] <gregg_> sudo apt-get install nfs-kernel-server
[08:55] <goofrider> danboid, dpkg -S nfs
[08:56] <gregg_> sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start
[08:56] <waterbeetle> 85 Minglun Street,Kaifeng,Henan,China 475001
[08:56] <goofrider> gregg_, thanks
[08:56] <danboid> thanks gregg!
[08:56] <gregg_> that should do, danboid
[08:56] <Ahab> hi, can someone help me changing the defualt option in grub?  I need to take my machine in for repairs and wanted to make things easy on the guys in the shop and switch it to win xp.  I tried changing the 'savedefault' lines to defualt=0, 1, 2 etc. but that messed things up.
[08:56] <gregg_> maybe the package installation even automagically starts the daemon
[08:57] <goofrider> gregg_, I RTFM the options. it said nothing about raw bad sector read/write
[08:57] <gregg_> you simply talked about "bad sectors" - very unspecific
[08:57] <goofrider> gregg_, the subchannel features are good for copying CDROM XA, CD+G, etc, but not copy protection, AFAIK
[08:58] <gregg_> they can defeat several copy protections, which are based on "bad sectors"
[08:59] <yourghete1> quick question, how do i open man pages in konqueror? i just completely spaced here...
[08:59] <x_or> How do I set a static IP in ubuntu?
[08:59] <goofrider> gregg_, oh wait  u can be right, --read-raw might do it possibly
[09:00] <gregg_> x_or, edit /etc/network/interfaces
[09:00] <gregg_> there is also a manpage for this file available
[09:00] <x_or> Ok.
[09:01] <isai> hi
[09:01] <goofrider> yourghete1, u need to do man <cmd> from shell to read man pages
[09:02] <goofrider> yourghete1, you can install man2html as well though
[09:02] <isai> I want to connect my digitial camera to my computer, it has a ieee1394 port.
[09:02] <goofrider> yourghete1, dwww is great for reading doco using browser
[09:02] <isai> what program can I use to get video off it?
[09:02] <goofrider> yourghete1, install dwww, which will install man2html and info2www as well
[09:03] <goofrider> isai, digital camera (still)??? or camcorder?
[09:03] <isai> camcorder
[09:03] <goofrider> isai, not sure then
[09:04] <goofrider> isai, apt-cache search 1394
[09:04] <mediafly> Hi, what is the command to covert a wav file to mp3? Thanks
[09:04] <goofrider> u might find some tools
[09:04] <goofrider> mediafly, lame
[09:04] <isai> medialfly, use lame
[09:04] <yourghete1> thanks
[09:04] <goofrider> i meant use lame, not saying u'r lame
[09:04] <gregg_> bladeenc is teh rox !!!1111one
[09:04] <yourghete1> goofrider. thanks again
[09:04] <goofrider> dwww r0x0rs
[09:05] <goofrider> gregg_, bladeenc use to be really shitty
[09:05] <gregg_> I thought it is obvious that this is a joke
[09:06] <goofrider> oh ok. i thought u were 4 realz
[09:07] <mediafly> txx
[09:07] <mediafly> thx
[09:07] <goofrider> isai, report back your 1394 experience would u/
[09:07] <isai> installing an app called kino. I am connecting the camcorder right now...
[09:07] <goofrider> super
[09:08] <goofrider> what's kino?
[09:08] <gregg_> kernel panic! whoosh! ping timeout :-)
[09:08] <isai> goofrider, check synaptic.
[09:08] <goofrider> gregg_, stfu
[09:08] <goofrider> isai, bleh
[09:11] <yourghete1> how do i tell festival to say something inside of a bash script?
[09:13] <Adyeths> I always do something like this when I want it to say something.....    echo Good afternoon. | festival --tts
[09:13] <yourghete1> oooh
[09:13] <yourghete1> ok will try
[09:13] <yourghete1> thanks
[09:13] <Adyeths> welcome
[09:14] <Jimmothy> where's perl usually found in the file systme?
[09:14] <Jimmothy> system*
[09:14] <goofrider> /usr/bin/perl?
[09:14] <osity> anyone know how to setup software raid 1
[09:14] <Jimmothy> thanks
[09:14] <goofrider> osity, i use LVM
[09:15] <osity> goofrider why??
[09:15] <goofrider> osity, u got raidtools already right?
[09:15] <goofrider> osity, I like LVM :P
[09:15] <osity> i've torn dow the setup about 20 times.....
[09:15] <goofrider> even my / is on LVM
[09:16] <goofrider> it's dabulous  :)
[09:16] <goofrider> fabulous
[09:16] <osity> goo: i would expect everything to be raided./
[09:16] <goofrider> osity, LVM on top of RAID is gr8  :)
[09:16] <osity> was lvm hardto setup
[09:16] <osity> i dont even know what is ...
[09:17] <Badness45> ok i install regionset how do i run it
[09:17] <goofrider> osity, I'm just saying LVM and RAID both uses device mirror modules
[09:17] <goofrider> so I might be of help to u to a point
[09:17] <goofrider> Badness45, the wiki and ubuntuguide should have all instructions
[09:17] <osity> i need a whole walk through unfortuanely.....i've done abour 20 partials! :)
[09:18] <goofrider> Badness45, come back when u have problems with those standard methods
[09:18] <Badness45> i been reading for the past hour
[09:18] <goofrider> osity, holy smoke
[09:18] <Badness45> it said to install regionset
[09:18] <goofrider> Badness45, run regionset in the terminal
[09:19] <osity> goofrider: starting to be a pita
[09:19] <Badness45> what command
[09:19] <goofrider> or something, use tab to autocomplete to find the right cmd
[09:19] <nalioth> Badness45: reading is power
[09:19] <goofrider> region<tab>
[09:19] <Badness45> i been reading
[09:19] <goofrider> nalioth, I don't think he's very good around the shell, that's all
[09:20] <goofrider> osity, that's why u should just do 1 set of mirror, and then use LVM on top of it
[09:20] <Badness45> (1) Install regionset; and (2) Run regionset WITH a DVD in your drive.
[09:20] <jazzka> hi!
[09:20] <goofrider> osity, and u can set up as many logical volume as u like without dealing with RAID at all
[09:20] <jazzka> where are tty files in ubuntu?
[09:21] <Badness45> that's what it say
[09:21] <goofrider> Badness45, then run regionset!!! :)
[09:21] <nalioth> jazzka: you have a fancy command called "locate"
[09:21] <goofrider> Badness45, open a terminal window and type regionset
[09:21] <nalioth> jazzka: it finds things
[09:22] <goofrider> jazzka, i just do find . -name tty
[09:22] <Badness45> no it say enter the region # for my drive
[09:22] <goofrider> find / -name tty
[09:22] <goofrider> hehe
[09:22] <goofrider> Badness45, what country do u live in?
[09:22] <Badness45> NY
[09:22] <Badness45> US
[09:22] <nalioth> 6 of one, half-dozen of t'other, fellas
[09:22] <goofrider> that's not a country
[09:23] <goofrider> Damn New Yorkers
[09:23] <goofrider> Badness45, that' s region 1
[09:23] <nalioth> goofrider: its Damn Yankees
[09:23] <Badness45> ok
[09:23] <waterbeetle> 6 is China
[09:24] <Badness45> xine still don't work
[09:24] <nalioth> nobody wants to talk about the PS3 with Cell technology?
[09:24] <Badness45> neither does vlc
[09:24] <klaym> hey anyone know of simple zombie shoot-em-up -style games for ubuntu?
[09:24] <waterbeetle> nalioth, that sounds dope
[09:24] <gregg_> nalioth, maybe
[09:24] <goofrider> Badness45, if you're unfamiliar with technical stuff about DVDs, try dvdrhelp.com and doom9.rg. Lots of tutorials there
[09:25] <nalioth> the xbox has 3 power4 procs in it, so it shouldn't be too shabby
[09:25] <gregg_> xbox 360 looks like shit, as usual
[09:25] <goofrider> nalioth, vaporware? no thanks
[09:25] <nalioth> vaporwhat? the xbox 360 has 3 power4 procs in it
[09:25] <goofrider> it's still not shipping
[09:25] <goofrider> :P
[09:25] <Badness45> forget it imma put back windows xp on my laptop to many hassles with this os
[09:25] <gregg_> the PS3 has 9 whatever-cores though ;)
[09:26] <goofrider> I hate the pre-launch ypes of ANY console
[09:26] <nalioth> but it has appeared in some really expensive videos heh heh heh
[09:26] <goofrider> hypes
[09:26] <isai> I taken video/audio off my camcorder using kino. But when I export and watch the movie, the video/audio is very choppy.
[09:26] <pepsi__> can i use breezy yet?
[09:26] <goofrider> pepsi, no
[09:26] <pepsi__> :(
[09:26] <nalioth> if the PS3 is what it's sposed to be, its gonna blow the xbox off the table (if they don't screw up the content)
[09:26] <gregg_> what will be new in breezy?
[09:26] <goofrider> isai, check  your firewire xfer rate I guess
[09:26] <isai> how?
[09:26] <tahorg> gregg_: the name !
[09:27] <gregg_> nalioth: I hope so. I don't want microsoft to "take over" the console market
[09:27] <pepsi> whatever happened to grumpy anyhow?
[09:27] <goofrider> nalioth, well, it still depends on what they do with the dev kit
[09:27] <goofrider> nalioth, xbox is nice cuz it's DX8 compat. Very low barrier for the devs
[09:27] <gregg_> some promised everything to be less confusing, compared to PS2 start
[09:27] <nalioth> goofrider: no matter what dev kit, some1 will find a way into it
[09:27] <gregg_> s/some/sony/
[09:28] <goofrider> nalioth, well it'll takes a couple yrs though, just like PS2
[09:28] <nalioth> so what kind of games are sony gonna put out that require 4 ps3s?
[09:28] <nalioth> cuz the cell procs can network
[09:29] <goofrider> gregg_, yes it should be less confusing cuz cell is symatrical. Unlike the PS2 arch where the 2 VUs are  asymmetrical
[09:29] <dlh> why isn't mplayer in the packages ??
[09:29] <nalioth> dlh are your sources augmented from original?
[09:29] <dlh> nakata, augmented?:P
[09:30] <nalioth> who can show dlh the URL for the restricted formats wiki?
[09:30] <goofrider> I liked the GameCube. It's not powerful I know but it's just a very efficent design
[09:30] <dlh> yeah, who's the man?!:p
[09:31] <goofrider> http://ubuntullinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:31] <nalioth> goofrider: nobody knows whats inside the new gamecube, except for 802.something
[09:31] <dlh> goofrider, thanks:)
[09:31] <goofrider> nalioth, powerpc 603
[09:31] <goofrider> and artx GPU
[09:31] <nobile> is there a program like dreamweaver for linux in ubuntu?
[09:32] <nalioth> goofrider: put down that spliff
[09:32] <goofrider> nobile, Nvu is close enough
[09:32] <nobile> thanks!
[09:32] <Levander> if there a command line IRC client that connect me into IRC, and logs a channel? Auto-reconnecting as necessary, etc.?
[09:32] <goofrider> nalioth, look at the mobo pics again, the chips are labelled  :P
[09:32] <gregg_> Levander: irssi
[09:32] <dlh> Levander, BitchX ?
[09:32] <nalioth> Levander: irssi? bitchx? ircII?
[09:33] <gregg_> bitchx is _really_ _bad_
[09:33] <nalioth> goofrider: ya gotta be shi***n me
[09:33] <tanaso> Alguien que hable castellano?
[09:33] <goofrider> nalioth, actually i'm just take shit
[09:33] <nalioth> tanaso: espanol hablamos en el #ubuntu-es
[09:33] <goofrider> nalioth, but those are the specs AFAIK
[09:33] <tanaso> gracias
[09:33] <nalioth> goofrider: as i said, put down the spliff
[09:34] <Levander> nalioth: dlh: do these programs do this without any GUI attached, i just want to run it in the background
[09:34] <nobile> hmm  it doesn't appear in synaic
[09:34] <goofrider> nalioth, u have any reason to believe it's NOT a PPC603?
[09:34] <nalioth> Levander: irssi (i'm using it now) has no gui
[09:34] <Levander> nalioth: yeah, but I meant no output to the user at all on the screen
[09:34] <nobile> and I have done the universal thing to get the other programs
[09:34] <nalioth> goofrider: cuz the moto 603 is....farkling ANCIENT
[09:35] <gregg_> Levander: you can use irssi together with screen. plus, with irssi-proxy you can connect to the irssi running in background with any client. it rocks
[09:35] <Levander> nalioth: i just want to run it from cron and have the channel logged for me when I check the log file later
[09:35] <nalioth> Levander: you can always run it in the background
[09:35] <goofrider> nalioth, and R500o isn't? (that's what the PS2 core is)
[09:35] <goofrider> R5000
[09:35] <nobile> goofrider, nvu doesn't appear =P
[09:35] <goofrider> nobile, it's not in the repo. get the deb from nvu.com
[09:35] <nalioth> Levander: once you set it up, it can be run by cron standalone
[09:35] <nobile> ok!
[09:35] <Levander> gregg_: so irssi can run in the background?  no user interface whatsoever on the screen
[09:35] <gregg_> Levander: right. screen makes it possible
[09:36] <goofrider> likewise, Xbox's P3-733 is ANICENT
[09:36] <Levander> nalioth: okay, great, i'll try irssi, i hear it's a very popular client
[09:36] <nalioth> Levander: anything run in the background has no visible areas
[09:36] <nalioth> goofrider: aint talking about existing slackness, am discussing the future hotness
[09:36] <nalioth> xbox 360 has 3 power cores in it
[09:36] <goofrider> nalioth, it's not a stock 603, it's gotta be just the 603/603e core with different amount of L2 cache
[09:36] <Levander> nalioth: don't think that's true, many X programs you start like "xterm &" and the xterm UI still appears on the screen
[09:37] <nalioth> goofrider: ya gotta be sh****n me
[09:37] <goofrider> that's the cube
[09:37] <nalioth> Levander: i have run irssi in the background
[09:37] <goofrider> not sure what they're doing with Revloution
[09:37] <nobile> goofrider:  nvu-0.10PR-pc-linux2.6.10-gnu.tar.bz2 ?
[09:37] <goofrider> nobile, no, the DEB
[09:37] <Levander> gregg_: but isn't screen a program that lets you view the output on another tty? I don't want to view the output on the tty
[09:37] <Levander> nalioth: and you don't have an UI from irssi
[09:37] <gregg_> Levander: no, it's not
[09:38] <nalioth> Levander: correct
[09:38] <goofrider> nalioth, what exactly, is cell computing?
[09:38] <Levander> has anybody run irssi from cron? or think it's possible? wanna run irssi to log a channel, don't wanna run it interactively
[09:38] <gregg_> Levander: it lets you create virtual terminals that you can attach to arbitrary terminals - or detach completely
[09:38] <nalioth> goofrider: ask uncle google, its supposed to be the next evolution in CPUs
[09:38] <Levander> gregg_: nalioth: okay, it sounds like i can do what I want with irssi, thanks guys.
[09:38] <goofrider> nalioth, so u don't know  :P
[09:38] <goofrider> lalalalalalalal
[09:38] <nobile> nvu_1.0PR-1_powerpc.deb ?
[09:39] <jpfarias> hi
[09:39] <nalioth> goofrider: i have an idea, but don't want to flood the channel with my ignorance
[09:39] <jpfarias> is there a repository with sun jdk available?
[09:39] <Levander> gregg_: i don't want a terminal at all though with what I'm trying to do, there will be no active user sitting there using the program
[09:39] <goofrider> nobile, look for the i386 deb if u have an intel/amd pc
[09:39] <BrianB04> What's the best way to set DMA on DVD roms at startup?
[09:39] <gregg_> Levander: sorry, misread your line... what you said is correct :)
[09:39] <goofrider> jpfarias, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[09:39] <Levander> gregg_: which of what i said is correct?
[09:39] <gregg_> Levander: it's possible, just read the man page
[09:39] <danboid> Are the standard Ubuntu home dir permissons no good for sharing over nfs?
[09:39] <nalioth> BrianB04: ubuntuguide.org  about speeding up drives
[09:39] <jpfarias> goofrider, thanks
[09:39] <Levander> gregg_: okay great, thanks
[09:40] <gregg_> Levander gregg_: but isn't screen a program that lets you view the output on another tty? I don't want to view the output on the tty
[09:40] <gregg_> this line
[09:40] <Levander> gregg_: okay, thanks
[09:40] <goofrider> jpfarias, using make-jpkg please. it's the recommended method
[09:41] <nalioth> Levander: screen is also kewl, and another way to background your terminal processes
[09:41] <gregg_> screen is probably one of the programs I couldn't live without :)
[09:41] <nalioth> Levander: gregg_ i love using screen
[09:42] <gregg_> sad that there is no real x complement
[09:42] <jode> anyone know how to install the firefox update? It is a tar.gz file
[09:42] <nobile> vu_0.99+1.0pre-1_i386.deb  ?
[09:42] <cens0red> how do I change my password?
[09:42] <goofrider> jode, get the updates from hoary-secuirty
[09:42] <nobile> *nvu_0.99+1.0pre-1_i386.deb
[09:42] <Levander> cens0red: "passwd" command i think
[09:43] <jode> do you know the url?
[09:43] <goofrider> nobile, probly that one
[09:43] <nobile> ok!
[09:43] <nobile> thanks
[09:43] <gregg_> nobile: nvu is kinda creepy :)
[09:43] <nobile> oh
[09:43] <nobile> hmm
[09:43] <goofrider> jode, enable hoarty-security in your sources.list
[09:43] <nobile> what program to you advice me to use?
[09:43] <gregg_> if you want a wysiwyg editor, it's probably the best choice
[09:43] <goofrider> gregg_, what is he suposed to use then? vi/emacs?
[09:44] <gregg_> i wouldn't use wysiwyg for html though
[09:44] <Levander> why isn't nvu in the ubuntu repositories?
[09:44] <nobile> wysiwyg editor ?
[09:44] <jode> what do I look uner to find it
[09:44] <goofrider> gregg_, he wanted a dreamweaver replacement
[09:44] <gregg_> goofrider: whatever he wants
[09:44] <Levander> what you see is what you get
[09:44] <Levander> means you visually manipulate a web page from looking at what it looks like in the browser
[09:44] <Levander> rather than modifying the HTML directly in a text editor
[09:45] <nobile> yea
[09:45] <goofrider> Levander, i think we know what WYSIWYG since about 1985
[09:45] <cens0red> hey some freak on another irc network managed to ascertain my IP. Should I be worried?
[09:45] <goofrider> but thank u
[09:45] <Levander> goofrider: nobile asked
[09:45] <pelleke> Hey People!
[09:45] <goofrider> oh ok  :)
[09:45] <nobile> =P
[09:45] <pelleke> I have a problem booting the installer kernel.
[09:45] <nalioth> brb
[09:46] <MuStR> cens0red: do you have a firewall?
[09:46] <gregg_> cens0red, no
[09:46] <cens0red> f~MuStR I have firestarter.
[09:46] <pelleke> It hangs after it sais "isapnp: No P&P devices found"
[09:46] <nobile> ok, so should I use nvu or not??
[09:46] <MuStR> cens0red: that should protect you :p
[09:46] <JasonL> hi
[09:46] <pelleke> does anyone know how to handle it?
[09:46] <goofrider> nobile, try it and see if u like it Only u can decide
[09:47] <gregg_> cens0red, your IP is openly announced anyway...
[09:47] <nobile> ok!
[09:47] <pelleke> I have another working 2.2 debian kernel
[09:47] <goofrider> cens0red, they can't root u if u have no open ports. the wrose they can do is DDoS u
[09:47] <pelleke> but I want to install Ubuntu cos my i think it will work better with my graphics card.
[09:47] <JasonL> If i wanted to use KDE with ubuntu would i have to use Kubuntu?
[09:47] <cens0red> f~gregg_ well, not here ... and not on this other network I'm on. I'm using a bnc here ... on the other network, they have some sort of IP mask.
[09:48] <Tezkah> JasonL: no
[09:48] <Tezkah> install ubuntu
[09:48] <Tezkah> install KDEbase
[09:48] <cens0red> gregg_ well, not here ... and not on this other network I'm on. I'm using a bnc here ... on the other network, they have some sort of IP mask.
[09:48] <Tezkah> that way you have GNOME as a backup
[09:48] <Tezkah> I did it the other way
[09:48] <Tezkah> installed kubuntu, then installed GNOME
[09:48] <goofrider> JasonL, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:48] <gregg_> cens0red, uh, ok
[09:48] <JasonL> what is the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[09:48] <gregg_> i would not be worried though
[09:48] <pelleke> Kubuntu is shipped with KDE
[09:48] <pelleke> Ubuntu with GNOME
[09:48] <Tezkah> ubuntu is to GNOME as kubuntu is to KDE
[09:48] <goofrider> JasonL, Kubuntu is community-maintained
[09:48] <gregg_> kubuntu is inofficial
[09:49] <Tezkah> kubuntu is delicious
[09:49] <pelleke> Unoficcial. :)
[09:49] <pelleke> Ubuntu is delicious as well. :S
[09:49] <nalioth> kubuntu is official
[09:49] <goofrider> means les rigid QA
[09:49] <goofrider> less rigid
[09:49] <ted__> is kubuntu being integrated into an official release?
[09:49] <BrianB04> I had a few problems with Kubuntu
[09:49] <pelleke> but people
[09:49] <nalioth> i use kubuntu every other day
[09:49] <pelleke> does anyone know about how to handle a hanging kernel?
[09:49] <goofrider> nalioth, it's not sonpsored by Canoincal
[09:49] <goofrider> AFAIK
[09:49] <Tezkah> they wont send out kubuntu CDs =(
[09:49] <Riddell> gregg_: kubuntu is official
[09:50] <pelleke> (hmm... silence)
[09:50] <Riddell> Tezkah: kubuntu has had an official release
[09:50] <cens0red> goofrider is there a way I can tell what ports I have open?
[09:50] <Tezkah> Riddell: ?
[09:50] <nalioth> goofrider: are you sh***n me again?
[09:50] <goofrider> cens0red, portscan? NEssus?
[09:50] <gregg_> Riddell: ok. wrong description...
[09:50] <Tezkah> cens0red: http://www.hackerwatch.org/probe/ ?
[09:50] <Riddell> Tezkah: we might get a few soon
[09:50] <goofrider> nalioth, is it offcial now?
[09:50] <nalioth> has been for a few weeks, goofrider
[09:51] <goofrider> oh I didn't get the memo. hey gregg_ didn't know either
[09:51] <Tezkah> Riddell: as in... mailed to the door?
[09:51] <cens0red> goofrider and Tezkah specifically he said ports 80 and 443 were open.
[09:51] <gregg_> Riddell, it's not been official for long?
[09:51] <cens0red> I don't know if he was telling the truth.
[09:52] <ted__> check ubuntu's site and search for kubuntu
[09:52] <gregg_> I thought I used just the wrong description for what position kubuntu has
[09:52] <ted__> it will tell you what the situation is
[09:52] <goofrider> cens0red, mean u have a web server running
[09:53] <cens0red> goofrider I did download thttpd, but I don't recall setting to switch on as default. Anyway I can check?
[09:54] <goofrider> cens0red, it's on once it's installed. if u worry about getting rooted so much then u shouldn't run a web server on your desktop in the first place, and if u want to run a web server that you shouldn't be worried about having port 80/443 open
[09:54] <Riddell> gregg_: it's been official for as long as it's existed
[09:54] <goofrider> cens0red, I think u need to rexamine y u installed a web server in the first place
[09:55] <nobile> ok how do I install a .deb file?
[09:55] <cens0red> goofrider so I could test out scripts.
[09:55] <goofrider> nobile, dpkg -i xxx.deb
[09:55] <nobile> thanks!
[09:55] <goofrider> cens0red, like PHP scripts?
[09:55] <tosti> hello
[09:55] <BleSS> Files and directories standars :: http://rafb.net/paste/results/RI8Pzf96.nln.html
[09:56] <cens0red> goofrider well, python cgi-scripts actually.
[09:56] <goofrider> cens0red, u can restrict your web server to be accessible by 127.0.0.1/localhost only
[09:56] <cens0red> goofrider if I have one.
[09:56] <tosti> anyone knows how to change font on text-console?
[09:56] <goofrider> u have port 80/443 open, u obviously have one :)
[09:57] <poningru> where do ubuntu decision makers hang out?
[09:57] <goofrider> poningru, away from u
[09:57] <poningru> har har har
[09:57] <goofrider> j/k
[09:57] <poningru> got a prob with the Update.mozilla.org
[09:57] <goofrider> poningru, but seriously, if u need to contact them, use the dev list
[09:57] <poningru> hmm where might I find it?
[09:57] <JasonL> I'm looking into programming for linux and was wondering which is simple to program for?
[09:58] <goofrider> poningru, u just need to install the latest 1.0.2 sec update and then chnage a setting in your firefox to get updates to work
[09:58] <goofrider> JasonL, I recommend Python
[09:58] <Tezkah> try typing about:config into the url bar
[09:59] <Tezkah> look for "version"
[09:59] <Tezkah> find one that says "app.version"
[09:59] <sbcl3> JosanL: i back up goofrider
[09:59] <Tezkah> change that from 1.0.2 to 1.0.4 by double clicking on it
[09:59] <goofrider> Tezkah, he should still get the secuirty update first
[09:59] <poningru> tezkah: I know how to do that
[09:59] <sbcl3> python is awesome
[09:59] <goofrider> Tezkah, that's why the Mozilla ppl blocked 1.0.2 in the first place
[09:59] <poningru> I am not using the stock firefox
[09:59] <poningru> I built my own
[10:00] <goofrider> poningru, well then ok. Trust me the deb knew what's up already
[10:00] <poningru> I am just trying to fix this prob for the community in general
[10:00] <goofrider> the dev****
[10:00] <poningru> oh ok
[10:00] <mactiny> gow stable in your experience are the linuxant conexant drivers
[10:00] <goofrider> poningru, it's a decision to kep 1.0.2 the way it is
[10:00] <poningru> no I know
[10:00] <poningru> but why not just change the UA string?
[10:00] <mactiny> gow=how
[10:00] <goofrider> poningru, if u want to discuss it, use the dev list
[10:01] <poningru> ok again how might I find it?
[10:01] <goofrider> poningru, go to the website and look for mailing list
[10:01] <poningru> heh thanks
[10:01] <cens0red> hey goofrider, according to http://www.auditmypc.com/freescan/ ports 80 and 443 are not open. I guess he was jerking my chain.
[10:01] <poningru> some devs like to hide it
[10:01] <poningru> so sorry if I was a bother
[10:01] <cens0red> same deal with http://www.hackerwatch.org/probe/
[10:01] <toresbe> you can mount the bin from a cue/bin pair with -o loop, right?
[10:01] <goofrider> LMAO
[10:01] <Zotnix> Hrm... I noticed in Ubuntu that the default for new users makes their ~ directory readable at all... or is it something I did when adding users?
[10:02] <danboid> what is the format of /etc/exports?
[10:02] <toresbe> Zotnix: 'tis the default
[10:02] <goofrider> toresbe, only if it's ISO 9960 Mode 1
[10:02] <gregg_> toresbe, most times it won't work
[10:02] <mactiny> what problems have people been having that calls for the "dont use breezy" notice
[10:02] <goofrider> toresbe, check your CUE file, it'll tell u what mode it is
[10:02] <toresbe> goofrider:  FILE "C:\SIM3KLNX.BIN" BINARY\nTRACK 01 MODE1/2352\nINDEX 01 00:00:00
[10:03] <gregg_> toresbe, cdrdao can burn bin/cue
[10:03] <goofrider> toresbe, if it's not model 1/2048, i doubt it'll work
[10:03] <gregg_> oh sorry
[10:03] <toresbe> okay
[10:03] <gregg_> you don't want to burn...
[10:03] <goofrider> toresbe, they're a project called cdemu that can mount bin/cue. try it AYOR
[10:03] <toresbe> nope, I'd have to do some boring cabling
[10:03] <goofrider> ***there's*** a project called cdemu
[10:03] <BleSS> i'm building a tool for configure country localization, so i'm in dude for building a file with those data or use those files
[10:03] <MagicHands> hi, I just bought a compaq presario M2002AL...I booted a live CD of the warty warthog... when I use ogg123 to play an ogg file, I get no sound out of the speakers. I opened the audio mixer and set all relevant settings to maximum and unmuted everything, but to no effect. can someone tell me how to proceed?
[10:03] <toresbe> goofrider: not in apt :\
[10:04] <MagicHands> the soundcard is 82801DB ICH4 AC97
[10:04] <goofrider> toresbe, nope. use the sorce luke
[10:04] <toresbe> goofrider: *argh*
[10:04] <goofrider> that's why I said QYOR  :)
[10:04] <goofrider> AYOR
[10:05] <goofrider> mactiny, the problem is... it doesn't work????
[10:05] <gregg_> toresbe: you can also convert the bin/cue to standard iso
[10:05] <toresbe> gregg_: how?
[10:05] <goofrider> gregg_, good idea
[10:06] <gregg_> well... I once wrote a very small and crappy perl script to do that
[10:06] <mactiny> goofrider, is it as bad as that
[10:06] <goofrider> mactiny, nah... worse
[10:06] <toresbe> bchunk - CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr
[10:06] <toresbe> yay
[10:06] <toresbe> gregg_: thanks for the tip
[10:06] <gregg_> no problem :)
[10:06] <goofrider> toresbe, cheers
[10:06] <mactiny> is this a new thing, or are the running versions just highly configured
[10:06] <gregg_> bchunk... nice
[10:07] <toresbe> goofrider: thanks to you too :)
[10:07] <goofrider> no thank u  ;)
[10:07] <toresbe> man, this channel is so much better than #debian :)
[10:07] <goofrider> mactiny, what do u mean?
[10:07] <klaus^^^> hello  need an download manger for ubuntu] 
[10:07] <goofrider> d4x
[10:07] <mactiny> what are the worthwhile feaures planned for breezy, or is it still to early
[10:07] <goofrider> klaus^^^, d4x
[10:07] <klaus^^^> hello  need an download manger for ubuntu] 
[10:07] <klaus^^^> k
[10:08] <goofrider> mactiny, check Ubuntu UDU wiki for Breezy Goals
[10:08] <klaym> do you believe that GTA San Andreas will be playable via wine?
[10:08] <toresbe> I've heard good things about that d4x, if you're not happy with grafting your own wget lines like me *bangs chest*
[10:08] <goofrider> toresbe, wget can't ftpseach mirrors  :P
[10:09] <goofrider> d4x r0x0r
[10:09] <AMIGrAve> is there an apt source that contains dvdrip and all it's dependencies for hoary ? I googled a lot, I tried some rep without success.
[10:09] <toresbe> klaym: well, it runs in cedega
[10:09] <toresbe> klaym: in fact, it's officially supported
[10:10] <toresbe> klaym: http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3103
[10:10] <goofrider> toresbe, u r shitting me
[10:10] <klaym> thats cool
[10:10] <goofrider> d0p3
[10:10] <klaus^^^> helo
[10:10] <klaus^^^> what is the purpose for point2play
[10:10] <klaus^^^> if you have cedega
[10:10] <goofrider> klaus^^^, POP3 COMMAND OK
[10:10] <toresbe> klaus^^^: *shrug*
[10:11] <klaus^^^> ???
[10:11] <goofrider> u said HELO
[10:11] <goofrider> LMAO
[10:11] <toresbe> goofrider: it's a geek joke :P
[10:11] <karljp> anyone know how to customize nautilus a bit better?
[10:11] <klaus^^^> got it now
[10:11] <klaus^^^> what is the purpose for point2play
[10:11] <klaus^^^> if you have cedega
[10:11] <karljp> I've added an extra "open with" item for folders, namely xmms -e instead of just xmms
[10:11] <goofrider> karljp, can u be any more vague?? :)
[10:11] <toresbe> karljp: neat
[10:11] <karljp> but the context menust just says, "XMMS" twice,
[10:11] <karljp> one of them for -e and one for without
[10:11] <ubuntu> witam
[10:12] <karljp> I'd like to be able to edit the names of the entries in the context menu
[10:12] <goofrider> karljp, hmm... i see
[10:12] <ubuntu> hello,how to get the polish chat?
[10:12] <karljp> #ubuntu-pl if anyone's there
[10:12] <goofrider> karljp, i don't have the answers off hand but u should try docos over @ gnome.org
[10:12] <ubuntu> thanks!!!
[10:13] <toresbe> karljp: Also look around in irc.gimp.org - that's their official IRC network
[10:13] <goofrider> we're ueseless
[10:14] <goofrider> haha
[10:14] <karljp> no, gimp just needs to work on actual usability, instead of HIG
[10:14] <karljp> I should be able to find this in the actual panel where I added the option :)
[10:14] <karljp> sorry, gnome, not gimp
[10:14] <goofrider> i open gimp for the first time in my life yesterday... it's actually better than I imagined
[10:15] <goofrider> karljp, no gnome needs to work on a standard high level ApI
[10:15] <goofrider> mono, python, ruby, javascript, whatever, just pick one damn it
[10:15] <karljp> summary of all: gnome needs to suck less?
[10:16] <klaus^^^> hello
[10:16] <goofrider> gnome is fine. it can be better but it's fine
[10:16] <nalioth> gimpshop?
[10:16] <karljp> int's inconsistent as all hell.
[10:16] <goofrider> I used to like KDE, now it makes me vomit
[10:16] <yonil> I need some help, I'm trying to install something using dpkg -i and fail on dependencies
[10:16] <ubuntu> i have one question about gnome 2.10 Live-cd.. how i can install this  on hard disk?
[10:17] <Riddell> yonil: apt-get -f install should fix it
[10:17] <yonil> then the installation guide tells me to do sudo apt-get -f install
[10:17] <goofrider> karljp, if there's a decent high level API, who cares if the core is a mess :)
[10:17] <yonil> Riddell, but i dont think it does, it gives me 3 warnings
[10:17] <goofrider> karljp, not entirely true but u see what i'm saying
[10:17] <drspin> just installed MythTV on Hoary -- can't seem to get it to work -- in tinkering with it some I find that I have to run mythtv-setup as user mythtv -- what is the password for this user?????
[10:17] <yonil> Riddell, apt-get -f install is trying to remove the package im trying to install or something
[10:18] <goofrider> drspin, did u try /usr/share/doc/mythtv???
[10:18] <klaus^^^> hello
[10:18] <goofrider> yonil, what r u trying to install? from what repo?
[10:18] <goofrider> klaus^^^, just ask your question
[10:18] <goofrider> :)
[10:18] <yonil> godsmoke, that game globulation 2, from their site
[10:18] <klaus^^^> ca someone copy me the comand line for lounching counter strke without have to select game from in game
[10:18] <yonil> goofrider, the above message is for you :P
[10:19] <karljp> try #countersrike_for_newbies klaus
[10:19] <Tezkah> hehe
[10:19] <klaus^^^> hay stop fouling around
[10:19] <goofrider> yonil, we can't magically knows about every 3rd-party repo on earth, so u need to tell us which specific package it's trying to downgrade
[10:20] <klaus^^^> hey
[10:20] <goofrider> klaus^^^, seriously, few of us play CS here, u get better reponse over there
[10:20] <klaus^^^> there is a counter striuke player in here
[10:20] <klaus^^^> ?
[10:20] <yonil> goofrider, its trying to remove the game im trying to install, i dont know how these stuff works so i dont know what to exlpain. the package is from here: http://epfl.ysagoon.com/wiki//index.php?n=Globulation2.Download
[10:20] <klaus^^^> the chanel is empty
[10:20] <karljp> ahh.
[10:20] <goofrider> yonil, i'm not gonna be your monkey
[10:20] <karljp> guess everyone else who plays cs knows it already then
[10:20] <toresbe> it worked! yay!
[10:21] <toresbe> I am now the prouuud owner of an ISO :P
[10:21] <goofrider> karljp, i can't believe he really thinks it's a real ch
[10:21] <klaus^^^> the ling man
[10:21] <karljp> can't be helped :)
[10:21] <klaus^^^> hl.exe -conmsole ...............
[10:21] <klaus^^^> i forgot it
[10:22] <toresbe> klaus^^^: I think you should google. Few people here know CS :)
[10:22] <goofrider> yonil, u can summarize the error msg, at least. I'm not gonna install packages I don't know
[10:22] <goofrider> nor any sane person would do that :)
[10:22] <klaus^^^> hey what is the pint of havin point2play if you have cedega
[10:22] <yonil> goofrider, heres the log: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/bUqPCu49.html
[10:22] <klaus^^^> ?
[10:22] <nalioth> goofrider: whos monkey will you be?
[10:23] <toresbe> 25472 root      25   0  4480 1772 1516 R 99.5  0.3  11:15.44 http
[10:23] <toresbe> wtf?
[10:23] <goofrider> nalioth, stfu
[10:23] <toresbe> sc3u: relocation error: sc3u: symbol _dl_global_scope, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference
[10:23] <toresbe> wtf does that mean :P
[10:23] <goofrider> yonil, OMG it's trying to do something with glibc
[10:23] <nalioth> goofrider: and a big cup of it, too
[10:23] <goofrider> yonil, can u jsut forget about it?
[10:24] <yonil> goofrider, O_O
[10:24] <yonil> its supposed to be a great game ;_;
[10:24] <goofrider>  glob2 depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21); however:
[10:24] <goofrider>   Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13.
[10:24] <goofrider> I refuse to go down that path. maybe someone else can help u
[10:24] <goofrider> i'm not THAT stupid
[10:25] <yonil> goofrider, heh, why ? is that version bad ?
[10:25] <ubuntu_> hey today I have received the Ubuntu's CDS! I can't believe.. I'm gonna install it now! even I am running it as live at the moment, and works excellent
[10:25] <karljp> gnome suck,  nautilus manual is gnome.org/projects/nautilus.  But can anyone work out how to get there from gnome.org homepage?
[10:25] <Xgates> say I compiled the alsa-drivers src for my Audigy LS, and recompiled the kernel witbout alsa, just sound support as mod. Well now I have sound BUT when I reboot I'm getting this msg in the console:  --> amixer:Mixer attach hw:0 error: no such file or directory * /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning : 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: load_state:1267: no soundcards found
[10:25] <WldRbit> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22764.html
[10:25] <Xgates> so do I need to run like a modrpobe.conf for alsa or some mod update ?
[10:26] <WldRbit> does anybody know how to open up ports on gnome bittorrent ?
[10:26] <drspin> ok still can't find it
[10:26] <nalioth> yonil: libc6 is the heart (one of them) to your system
[10:26] <ubuntu_> my question is: is there a way to keep ubuntu up to date? by internet upgrades as apt under debian ?
[10:26] <Xgates> I mean like the generate modprobe.conf .... type of thing
[10:26] <yonil> nalioth, whats wrong with updating it then ? =p
[10:26] <goofrider> yonil, no it's not.. u never should replace glibc. and it's not gonna be too hard a fix... u can probly change the Depends" line in debian/control and it might just work with ubuntu's glibc
[10:28] <goofrider> yonil, but i can't handhold u for something that complicated. Read the Debian New Maintainer's Guide if u choose to mod the DEB package
[10:28] <karljp> or just realise that iinstalling packages from marillat is a joke
[10:28] <karljp> seeing as testing has moved beyond hoary
[10:28] <karljp> so just install from source
[10:28] <karljp> suck it up
[10:28] <nalioth> yonil: lots of your system depends on a certain ver of libc6
[10:28] <nalioth> yonil: the wrong ver, and your system doesn play anything
[10:28] <goofrider> yonil, but don't EVER replace glibc unless it's supplied by ubuntu, the the same release version
[10:28] <goofrider> yonil, your system can fail, completely.
[10:28] <duustpupy> hi all
[10:29] <nalioth> goofrider: thats what i said
[10:29] <karljp> fucking hooray, online help for nautlius doesn't even agree with reality
[10:29] <nobile> what does this mean?
[10:29] <nobile> dpkg: error processing nvu (--install):
[10:29] <nobile>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[10:29] <nobile> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:29] <nobile>  nvu
[10:29] <nobile> root@familia:/home/nobile #
[10:29] <goofrider> nalioth, i'm just agreeing with u
[10:29] <duustpupy> checked the ubuntu forums but no luck
[10:29] <goofrider> duustpupy, goood boy  :)
[10:30] <goofrider> nobile, what dependancy is missing?
[10:30] <mypapit> wtf
[10:30] <duustpupy> anybody know of a way to configure synaptic with auto proxy scripts or point to ftp repository mirrors?
[10:30] <nobile> shoud I paste everything here?
[10:30] <goofrider> nobile, no
[10:30] <goofrider> nobile, just the package names
[10:30] <goofrider> in one line please
[10:31] <nobile> dpkg -i nvu_0.99+1.0pre-1_i386.deb   that is what I wrote
[10:31] <goofrider> nobile, no, the package that it said it requires
[10:31] <goofrider> duustpupy, can't u just modify sources.list?
[10:31] <nobile>  nvu depends on libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0); however:  Version of libfontconfig1 on system is 2.2.3-4ubuntu7.
[10:31] <klaus^^^> goofrider,  you play cstrike when i use cedega hl.exe it opones the game but wen i try to change game no game to select apears
[10:31] <goofrider> duustpupy, which proxy script r u using/
[10:32] <kevman> Hello, I am trying to install the Berlios Atmel Wlan drivers... but I get the error "co: Command not found" when I try to make it.
[10:32] <duustpupy> goofrider: not using one at all atm...
[10:32] <goofrider> klaus^^^, don't ask me, I don't even play games on windows
[10:32] <nobile> dependency problems prevent configuration of nvu: nvu depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21);
[10:32] <goofrider> klaus^^^, try cedega's doco/wiki/forum/channel
[10:32] <Xgates> someone have a answer for this --> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=174733#post174733
[10:32] <goofrider> klaus^^^, they can serve u better
[10:33] <yonil> goofrider, nalioth, karljp - guess ill install from source then =p
[10:33] <goofrider> Xgates, it's a sound problem.... anyone knows anything about sound?
[10:33] <karljp> :)
[10:34] <goofrider> yonil, probly less headche that way  :)
[10:34] <WldRbit> does anybody know how to open up ports on gnome bittorrent ?
[10:34] <karljp> the only things you want the marillat repos for are for things like codecs
[10:34] <Xgates> goofrider: yea I made the post
[10:34] <Xgates> hehe
[10:35] <goofrider> duustpupy, i don't think I understand your problem
[10:35] <Xgates> say btw what pkg has "alsaconf' in it?
[10:35] <goofrider> karljp, and even those are in backports now
[10:35] <karljp> is backports really that much more reliable?
[10:35] <goofrider> say what u will about backports, it's still safer than Marillat
[10:35] <kevman> Noone knows?
[10:35] <karljp> it didn't have much in it earlier.
[10:35] <karljp> well, marillat's safe enough
[10:35] <Flav> Xgates: alsa-utils
[10:35] <karljp> nothing works
[10:36] <Flav> Xgates: apt-cache search alsaconf
[10:36] <karljp> unless you start trying to force it, you can't actually do anything with marillat :)
[10:36] <goofrider> karljp, it's slow, it can break things, but at least not as miserably as Marillat
[10:36] <karljp> well, people that ignore warnings deserve what they get :)
[10:36] <Xgates> Flav: thanks I thought it would be alsa-utils
[10:36] <karljp> -Werror for everyone!
[10:36] <Xgates> I mean that is the standard pack for it
[10:37] <goofrider> karljp, my philosphy is, ppl gonna do what they wanna do regarless what u say so might as when try to help them not to fuck themself sa hard
[10:37] <Lars_G> Question, is there a faster way to get ubuntu than ftp if there seems to be no people on the torrent?
[10:39] <Xgates> Flav: well I dont get this there is no alsaconf installed on this box of mine
[10:39] <smouche> what exactly is the definition of "backport" -- I thought marillat -- was -- a backport --
[10:39] <Xgates> root@ubuntu:~# apt-cache search alsaconf
[10:39] <Xgates> alsa-utils - ALSA utilities
[10:39] <nalioth> Lars_G: there is a program called prozilla
[10:39] <Xgates> if its in alsa-utils then why isnt it installed on my box
[10:39] <Xgates> hmm odd
[10:39] <nalioth> Lars_G: it will suck all your bandwidth away, but get you what you want
[10:39] <Lars_G> nalioth: Can get blocks from multiple sources? i'll look fo rit, thanks
[10:39] <karljp> marillat is stuff that people want in debian testing, but that debians "free" rules don't allow
[10:40] <smouche> is "backport" any non-supported repo, or does it refer to some specific sites?
[10:40] <nalioth> Lars_G: i'm sure its in your apt-gets reach
[10:40] <karljp> backport is a particular repos,
[10:40] <Lars_G> nalioth: Not on debian, sorry
[10:40] <smouche> karljp, thanks!  Now I get it
[10:40] <karljp> backports.ubuntuguide.org iirc
[10:40] <hondje> haha, jdongs backports
[10:40] <nalioth> Lars_G: not available for ubuntu?
[10:40] <Lars_G> nalioth: I'm on Gentoo
[10:40] <Xgates> can everyone type alsaconf at the CLI?
[10:41] <Lars_G> nalioth: It's masked, I'll unmask it or get it by hand, don't worry
[10:41] <goofrider> backports.ubuntuforums.org actually, i think
[10:41] <nalioth> Lars_G: there should be an ebuild for it
[10:41] <karljp> sorry, goof knows it ;)
[10:41] <Lars_G> Yes but it's masked, don't worry I'll manage ;)
[10:42] <hondje> hey, does jdong's backports have bzflag 2?
[10:42] <goofrider> yeah what's with tht tracker?
[10:42] <goofrider> i can't believe they're using BitTornado as the tracker
[10:42] <Lars_G> goofrider: What's wrong with bittornado?
[10:42] <goofrider> :-X
[10:42] <goofrider> Lars_G, for 1000s of connections and 100s of GB of transfer?
[10:43] <Lars_G> goofrider: yes?
[10:44] <goofrider> Lars_G, well do u have a better explanantion of why Ubuntu's torrents aren't working?
[10:44] <nalioth> Lars_G: goofrider nobody is on them?
[10:44] <goofrider> nalioth, there are plenty of seeds and peers
[10:44] <goofrider> try it
[10:44] <Rubin> could someone point me at the documentation for making an automated install cd?
[10:44] <goofrider> just no connections can be made, at all
[10:44] <kevman> I am trying to install the Berlios Atmel Wlan drivers... but I get the error "co: Command not found" when I try to "make" it.
[10:44] <goofrider> I tried it
[10:44] <nalioth> goofrider: not for my flavor, there's not
[10:45] <goofrider> nalioth, oh i'm sorry
[10:45] <Rickard> hello
[10:45] <Lars_G> I guess the listed seeds are for all flavors, right?
[10:45] <Lars_G> So all these 101 seeds could be seeding ppc live or ppc install for all i care. :)
[10:45] <Lars_G> I want i386 install :)
[10:45] <goofrider> Lars_G, there should be seeds for every flavor
[10:45] <Rickard> is it possible to install ubuntu on a laptop that has no cd-drive? can I do it remotely?
[10:45] <nalioth> Lars_G: you should have no prob gettin i386 builds
[10:45] <ofir> sure
[10:45] <goofrider> Lars_G, no no no each ISO has its own seed
[10:46] <goofrider> Lars_G, no no no each ISO has its own torrent
[10:46] <Lars_G> Rickard: Well if the installer is based on debian's as the system is, it should be possible
[10:46] <Lars_G> Rickard: If it's similar or the same you should be able to fetch thorough ftp, http or nfs
[10:46] <nalioth> Lars_G: its just that for the "off brands" <PPC, amd64, etc> there are not as many seeds
[10:46] <goofrider> nalioth, no, but there are seeds and peers but the tracker isn't allowing us to connect to each other
[10:46] <nalioth> goofrider: are you writing a song?
[10:46] <goofrider> nalioth, like a memory leak
[10:46] <goofrider> nalioth, stfu
[10:46] <nalioth> goofrider: so its wonderful azureus allows decentralized tracking, eh?
[10:47] <Rickard> Lars_G, do you know where I can find more information on how to do it?
[10:47] <Lars_G> goofrider: Is the tracker the one that sets/allows connections? like a gatekeeper? or it's only a lister and it's up to the clients to connect?
[10:47] <karljp> meh, three days after hoary was released, I got the raw http iso download before the torrent
[10:47] <nalioth> goofrider: you have a large pot of that stuff today, eh?
[10:47] <Lars_G> Rickard: In the page? I can't tell you more, sorry, don't know
[10:47] <nalioth> goofrider: you are very kind with it
[10:47] <goofrider> Lars_G, yes, the tracker is responsible to initiate connection b/w peers
[10:48] <Xgates> root@ubuntu:~# locate alsaconf > log
[10:48] <Xgates> root@ubuntu:~# nano log
[10:48] <Xgates> EMPTY
[10:48] <Xgates> errr
[10:48] <goofrider> nalioth, all humors aside, if u have anything that u disagree with me about u should state your opinion on the subject matter
[10:48] <Xgates> what alsa-utils broke on Ubuntu?
[10:49] <nalioth> goofrider: i dont disagree at all with you, just noticed the beginning of some prose, and commented
[10:49] <goofrider> (*@#&(*@&(*@#
[10:49] <Xgates> I guess I can always compile my own but I thought this wasnt the point of Ubuntu
[10:49] <Xgates> :/
[10:50] <nalioth> Xgates: imho compiling for oneself is usually better
[10:50] <Xgates> anyone know about alsa-utils is broke in Ubuntu?
[10:50] <Xgates> or does anyone know about that
[10:51] <goofrider> Xgates, maybe u should wait a day or 2? u might get replies in the forums
[10:51] <goofrider> Xgates, u poseted in like 5 mins ago
[10:51] <goofrider> posted it
[10:51] <gregg_> nalioth, why?
[10:51] <goofrider> gregg_, maybe he's a Gentoo switcher?
[10:52] <nalioth> gregg_: i find that the precompiled binaries are usually compiled on the lowest specimen of machine in the class
[10:52] <Lars_G> prozilla (at leats prozgui) is not bad but it lacks features
[10:52] <gregg_> hehe
[10:52] <Lars_G> I can't specify several mirrors by hand for example :(
[10:52] <Lars_G> still it has enhanced my download by 3fold
[10:52] <gregg_> nalioth, sure, but did you ever make any real benchmarks, comparing different optimization levels and cpu settings?
[10:52] <Lars_G> But I'd like to divide load so i don't leech of a single server
[10:52] <nalioth> gregg_: when you compile yourself, i think it makes the program more efficient on your particular hardware
[10:52] <goofrider> nalioth, oh that's a such a Gentoo's line  :)
[10:53] <nalioth> Lars_G: brute_force, baby!
[10:53] <gregg_> nalioth, you _think_
[10:53] <goofrider> gregg_, exactly
[10:53] <klaus^^^> how do i do cd Program Files
[10:53] <nalioth> gregg_: thats why my initial line said "imho"
[10:53] <gregg_> nalioth, you need to specify how to optimize, or you won't have any gain... and these gains are *very* small
[10:54] <goofrider> nalioth, who'se smoking weed now?
[10:54] <klaus^^^> it says no file or dyrectory
[10:54] <klaus^^^> how do i do cd Program Files
[10:54] <hondje> klaus^^^: cd "Program Files"
[10:54] <goofrider> nalioth, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13753
All x86 Ubuntu packages are actually compiled tuned for pentium4
[10:55] <goofrider> systems. The only thing that's not enabled is the small number of
[10:55] <goofrider> post-486 specific instructions (e.g. cmov) or extensions (e.g. SSE)
[10:55] <goofrider> and they aren't actually useful for the overwhelming majority of code.</quote>
[10:55] <nalioth> goofrider: yes, ubuntu is advanced in some areas
[10:56] <goofrider> nalioth, oh u'r saying in gerneal. then u'r actually quite right
[10:56] <hondje> If you're convinced that compiling everything yourself is important, why not use gentoo? It's a very mature distro these days
[10:56] <danboid> I ended up installing a libc6 deb from sarge under Hoary- now I'm getting lots of LOCALE errors. How do I restore the Hoary libc6 without re-installing everything?
[10:57] <BrianB04> Oh, Ubuntu doesn't use just plain 386 instruction sets?
[10:57] <nalioth> hondje: i don't compile EVeryThing, just anything after the basic distro install
[10:57] <goofrider> hondje, because it's still broken?
[10:57] <SuperLou> spekaing of distro install
[10:57] <goofrider> danboid, congrats
[10:57] <SuperLou> anyone get a "no installable kernel" error about 3/4 way through install
[10:58] <gregg_> speaking of install... the non-existant gentoo installation sucks
[10:58] <SuperLou> sorry to inturrupt, running out of days of my mIRC trial
[10:58] <goofrider> danboid, can u tell u how did u get to that point?
[10:58] <danboid> goofrider: Have I found a gatal flaw in apt here?
[10:58] <danboid> transcode?
[10:58] <nalioth> SuperLou: xchat is available for win32
[10:58] <nalioth> SuperLou: no expiration on it
[10:58] <danboid> marillat / transcode / dodgy forum advice
[10:58] <SuperLou> ok
[10:58] <goofrider> sigh
[10:59] <danboid> kinda worked
[10:59] <SuperLou> i normally use the irc client thingy with DSL
[10:59] <SuperLou> but trying to get ubunutu gone hosed up DSL
[10:59] <hondje> so, is there a dvd-playing-in-ubuntu write up?
[10:59] <danboid> but now I know how to install transcode the proper way under Ubuntu
[10:59] <goofrider> danboid, u installed libc from sarge
[10:59] <danboid> yep
[10:59] <hondje> I got the thing running, ran the decss script in the docs, etc
[10:59] <goofrider> danboid, that's what's FATAL
[10:59] <hondje> but some dvd's freeze up xine-ui
[11:00] <duustpupy> thanks for the help all...very useful
[11:00] <nalioth> hondje: there is lots of good infoat ubuntuguide.org
[06:28] <htaccess_> um and how does one run run XORG_SYNC_RANGES=yes?
[06:29] <daniels> htaccess_: just type that whole thing into a terminal window
[06:29] <daniels> (not the gnome run application dialog)
[06:29] <IIIEars> daniels - do any of those odd patches for intel video work?
[06:30] <daniels> IIIEars: you mean 855resolution and all that crack?
[06:30] <IIIEars> never mind - best excuse i know for a better card. - grin
[06:30] <daniels> indeed
[06:31] <IIIEars> they looked a bit sketchy - no source all precompiled binaries
[06:31] <htaccess_> ok brb gonna ctrl-alt-bkspace
[06:31] <nalioth> y'all be good
[06:31] <_nate> you all love me
[06:31] <_nate> don't deny it
[06:32] <sig> fr0s7y-PENIS: nice
[06:32] <fr0s7y-Hi> lol
[06:32] <fr0s7y-Hi> sorry workin on it
[06:32] <fr0s7y-Hi> first day back to irc in a long time
[06:32] <_nate> welcome back
[06:32] <fr0s7y-Hi> playin with the commands
[06:32] <_nate> i'm glad your name doesn't refer to genetalia any longer
[06:33] <fr0s7y-Hi> aww why not
[06:33] <fr0s7y-Hi> genetalia is awesome
[06:33] <_nate> yes, in an appropriate context
[06:33] <_nate> names not being in that category
[06:33] <bob2> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[06:34] <IIIEars> This is the #ubuntu channel - going to be a long wait for the question "click here SWF with pics"
[06:34] <Razor-X> now, it's time to do more bashing about mice
[06:34] <Razor-X> stupid mice, they're barbaric to the wrist
[06:35] <IIIEars> G'nite!
[06:38] <a_monkey> i've installed gcc-4.0, but i get an error when trying to run a configure script for a tarball source package.
[06:38] <bob2> you need to install build-essential
[06:38] <a_monkey> bob2: oh
[06:38] <a_monkey> bob2: thx!
[06:39] <bob2> then do ./configure CC=gcc-4.0 --blah
[06:40] <_nate> does 'tar -cjf file.tar.bz2 foo bar' make a .tar.bz2 file consisting of foo and bar?
[06:40] <a_monkey> well, g'night, folks!
[06:40] <bob2> _nate: yes
[06:40] <_nate> bob2: thanks
[06:41] <_nate> holy cow
[06:41] <_nate> thats a bunch of nonzense
[06:43] <_nate> wow, don't just 'tar -cj file.tar.bz2 foo bar', it outputs the compressed file to the stdout
[06:43] <CarlK> heh
[06:43] <bob2> yes
[06:43] <_nate> its ugly when the directory is 3.7 GB too
[06:43] <bob2> which is very handy
[06:44] <Razor-X> hehehehe
[06:44] <bob2> hah
[06:44] <_nate> thank goodness for ctrl+c
[06:44] <Razor-X> why _would_ tar even have a built-in STDOUT output by default?
[06:44] <bob2> most unix tools do
[06:44] <bob2> so you can pipe it to something else
[06:44] <_nate> Razor-X: then you can just change the stdout
[06:44] <DarthVaranger> hello!
[06:44] <bob2> like tar -c blah | gzip -9 > ./foo.tar.gz
[06:44] <DarthVaranger> I want to download ubuntu!
[06:45] <DarthVaranger> is there any net install ?
[06:45] <htaccess_> hmm well that fixed my resolution, now i dont have anything on my top and bottom gnome pannels, like nothing at all, is there any way to fix this besides trying to remember whats there usually and adding them manually?
[06:45] <DarthVaranger> like in Debian?
[06:45] <_nate> Razor-X: what bob2 said
[06:45] <bob2> DarthVaranger: no, sorry, I don't believe there are netinst images
[06:45] <bob2> htaccess_: you are using hoary, right?
[06:46] <_nate> DarthVaranger: no cd-r's?
[06:46] <htaccess_> um 5.04
[06:46] <bob2> ok, cool
[06:46] <bob2> htaccess_: does a new user have the same problem?
[06:46] <DarthVaranger> _nate: I don't want to download packages I think I won't use
[06:46] <_nate> bob2: wow, good idea, didn't think of that
[06:46] <Razor-X> ohhh, I can't believe I forgot that
[06:46] <Razor-X> *doh*
[06:46] <DarthVaranger> bob2: how many cd's are the minimun to download to have a working system?
[06:46] <bob2> _nate: hm?
[06:46] <_nate> DarthVaranger: ubuntu is a rather minimal install in the first place
[06:46] <bob2> DarthVaranger: one
[06:47] <bob2> DarthVaranger: there's only one install cd per architecture
[06:47] <_nate> bob2: i wouldn't think to simply create a new user
[06:47] <bob2> ah
[06:47] <DarthVaranger> bob2: I'll download it !
[06:47] <htaccess_> it was fc2 and i kept my /home looks like it doenst like the old .gnome files or something
[06:47] <_nate> bob2: thats my downfall, sometimes i can't think outside the box
[06:47] <DarthVaranger> God saves BitTorrent!
[06:47] <bob2> htaccess_: right, that could well be the case
[06:48] <Razor-X> still, what in the world would you want to pipe tar output to?
[06:48] <_nate> Razor-X: bob2 gave an example
[06:48] <Razor-X> did he?
[06:48] <bob2> tar didn't always support -j and -z
[06:49] <htaccess_> i deleted all the .gnome files and replaced them with a new users files and then did chmod -R on my home dir but still no menus etc, are there any other .files i could wipe besides .gnome* ?
[06:49] <bob2> bsd tar probably still doesn't
[06:49] <Razor-X> heh, I see
[06:49] <_nate> Razor-X: <bob2> like tar -c blah | gzip -9 > ./foo.tar.gz
[06:49] <bob2> htaccess_: .gconf?
[06:49] <Razor-X> yeah, I scrolled up
[06:49] <Razor-X> DarthVaranger: Ubuntu is one of the few, quality 1 disc distros out there
[06:50] <hey2k5> I can't play any audios anywhere!? I recently downloaded RealPlayer, and when I try to open up a real file, I get an error> The following components are required: audio/x-pn-realaudio. Need some help
[06:51] <_nate> hey2k5: get VLC, it plays almost everything, uninstall realplayer
[06:51] <hey2k5> I can hear the system sounds..
[06:51] <hey2k5> ok
[06:51] <hey2k5> i'll check out VLC
[06:52] <_nate> hey2k5: its located in the universe repo
[06:52] <bob2> well, more likely real player is whinging that it can't get the sound output device
[06:52] <bob2> so that won't help, vlc will have the same problem
[06:52] <_nate> oh, the esd issue
[06:52] <bob2> hey2k5: can you configure real player to use ESD?
[06:52] <Kia`RedanBae> Hi
[06:52] <_nate> there's a good wiki on fixing that, just a second
[06:53] <bob2> well, there's nothing to fix, aside from getting everything using alsa with dmix
[06:53] <Kia`RedanBae> I need help playing DVD. Totem says error playing dvd://. What should I do?
[06:53] <bob2> Kia`RedanBae: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:53] <DarthVaranger> does Ubuntu have problems with i915 cards?
[06:53] <_nate> bob2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:53] <_nate> bob2: number 3 fixes the esd issue
[06:53] <_nate> hey2k5: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:53] <samuel> sup all
[06:54] <bob2> DarthVaranger: there's some known bugs with the intel video chipsets
[06:54] <_nate> hey2k5: do number 3, and ESD will relinquish some control of the sound, enough for you to be able to use alsa and oss and others
[06:54] <hey2k5> thanks for the link, checking it out now
[06:54] <_nate> kk
[06:55] <DarthVaranger> bob2: and what is the difference between the dvd and cd versions?
[06:55] <samuel> anyone know something about qemu please? i can install win2k correctly and it runs fine after all is done, but then when i finally close down qemu it always tells me "cannot find NTLDR" or something like that on boot of the image... ive looked around quite abit for some info, but there really seems to be liitle on this, any ideas please?
[06:55] <bob2> DarthVaranger: dvd includes more stuff from supported, I guess
[06:55] <bob2> samuel: way better off asking on the qemu mailing list
[06:56] <philc1> how do I generate initrd files like initrd.img-2.6.11.7 when I am compiling my own kernel?
[06:56] <DarthVaranger> bon2: can this "more stuff" be downloaded?
[06:56] <transgress> DarthVaranger: yes
[06:56] <samuel> bob2, hmmm..... i guess, thanks
[06:56] <bob2> samuel: http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/qemu-users
[06:56] <kakalto> how do I change the settings for wine to make it display games fullscreen?
[06:57] <bob2> DarthVaranger: when you install (from cd or dvd), the installer will ask you if you want to be able to access software of the internet
[06:57] <bob2> philc1: you don't, you include all your basic stuff IN the kernel (not as modules), so you don't need an initrd
[06:57] <goofrider> philc1, make-initrd I think
[06:57] <bob2> philc1: but do note that the hoary 2.6.10 will get the import security fixes from the 2.6.11 series
[06:57] <bob2> (if that's the reason you're building a new one)
[06:57] <transgress> hmm
[06:57] <philc1> bob2: I am using ubuntu's default config that came with my machine, meaning everything is as modules
[06:57] <transgress> i think i will go shampoo my hair for the first time in like... iuno... 2 weeks
[06:58] <_nate> transgress: thats nasty
[06:58] <transgress> actually it might be three
[06:58] <goofrider> philc1, mkinitrd actually. in case u ever need it
[06:58] <bob2> philc1: yes, that needs to be built specially
[06:58] <bob2> philc1: make-kpkg --initrd
[06:58] <transgress> _nate: nah not really
[06:58] <neighborlee> kakalto, its in wine.conf somewhere, but its been ages since i've used it....you might have better luck asking in #winehq ;-)
[06:58] <philc1> bob2: thanks
[06:58] <bob2> philc1: but why are you building it all?
[06:58] <kakalto> Thanks, neighborlee
[06:58] <neighborlee> kakalto,np
[06:58] <philc1> bob2: swsusp2
[06:58] <kakalto> where is the default cvscedega settings kept
[06:58] <kakalto> ?
[06:58] <bob2> philc1: swsusp doesn't work for you?
[06:59] <_nate> this compression of a 3.7 GB file is taking forever
[06:59] <philc1> bob2: no
[06:59] <bob2> philc1: please do file a bug, even if you do build your own kernel
[06:59] <bob2> (if no one else has filed a smiliar looking bug)
[06:59] <philc1> bob2: very few newer laptops work with the old swsusp
[06:59] <philc1> bob2: I hope ubuntu moves to swsusp2 in the future
[06:59] <kakalto> anyone know?
[07:00] <bob2> philc1: it has worked on every laptop I've seen
[07:00] <bob2> mjg59 told me it should work on everything around these days, so please do file a bug so it can be fixed for your hardware
[07:00] <samuel> if i ever get a usefull qemu image im making it a tgz and keeping it like that
[07:01] <philc1> bob2: I've had 3, worked on none of them
[07:01] <bob2> philc1: worked on everyone I've talked to about it
[07:01] <sig> philc1: what laptops and models please
[07:01] <DarthVaranger> bob2: are the issues with Intel cards only for Ubuntu and Debian-like distros or for the driver from XFree/Xorg ?
[07:01] <bob2> DarthVaranger: I don't know
[07:02] <daniels> DarthVaranger: which issues?
[07:02] <goofrider> DarthVaranger, intel cards?
[07:02] <sig> bob2: what is philc1 talking about, I'm curious as I'm using a laptop
[07:02] <daniels> on desktop chipsets, it was present in CVS HEAD for a couple of weeks, but I think we're the only ones that picked htat up
[07:02] <goofrider> DarthVaranger, intel don't make video cards though  :P
[07:02] <daniels> for laptop chipsets, ...
[07:02] <daniels> goofrider: uh, they do.  lots of them.  really lots and lots and lots.
[07:03] <philc1> sig: gateway 200x, older HP omnibook, and an old inspiron
[07:03] <daniels> goofrider: they're up with ati and nvidia in terms of shipments.
[07:03] <philc1> bob2: do you know what package make-kpg is from?
[07:03] <daniels> so, for laptop chipsets, the issues are from the driver, and probably won't be resolved anytime soon
[07:03] <sig> philc1: apt-file search make-kpg
[07:03] <DarthVaranger> daniels: I've got an Intel D915GEV which comes with an Intel video card (internal)
[07:04] <philc1> sig: thanks
[07:04] <daniels> DarthVaranger: and you can't get the resolution you want?
[07:04] <goofrider> sig, kernel-package
[07:04] <sig> apt-file is wonderful
[07:04] <philc1> sig: apt-file command? =)
[07:04] <sig> if you don't have it apt-get install apt-file
[07:04] <DarthVaranger> daniels: even worse... I get the resolution I want with VESA driver
[07:04] <philc1> sig: thanks
[07:04] <JairunCaloth> I'm a slave to windows no longer
[07:04] <daniels> DarthVaranger: oh, really?
[07:04] <DarthVaranger> I want a more specific driver for my card, I don't like VESA
[07:05] <sig> goofrider?
[07:05] <daniels> DarthVaranger: using warty or hoary?
[07:05] <JairunCaloth> I just formated my windows drive and installed linux
[07:05] <DarthVaranger> downloading 5.04 ... using Debian sid now
[07:05] <goofrider> make-kpkg is in the package kernel-package, i think
[07:05] <goofrider> just filling in
[07:05] <sig> "i think" is not the answer
[07:05] <sig> apt-file search make-kpg  "is"
[07:05] <bob2> philc1: kernel-package
[07:06] <sig> :)
[07:06] <daniels> DarthVaranger: um, debian sid doesn't have support for the i915
[07:06] <bob2> sig: philc1 is saying that he/she can't suspend-to-disk under ubuntu, and is claiming that swsusp is broken on lots of modern laptops
[07:06] <sig> I'm helping by showing them the commands they can use to help themselves
[07:06] <daniels> DarthVaranger: ubuntu should work fine
[07:06] <sig> it's good for everyone
[07:06] <apple_> hi
[07:06] <samuel> anyone familiar with ddclient? when it asks for interface to bind is it possible to bind whatever interface is online? sometimes im at home, sometimes im at work, but how do i bind both? (wireless/wired)
[07:06] <sig> bob2: it is
[07:06] <sig> it is broke
[07:06] <goofrider> sig, true
[07:06] <bob2> sig: can you please file a bug then?
[07:07] <daniels> DarthVaranger: we're using a version of xorg released in december or februray or something, and debian is using xfree86 from january 2003
[07:07] <bob2> it should work for everyone
[07:07] <sig> on this Sony Viao
[07:07] <sig> I've addressed that issue before
[07:07] <sig> bob2: it doesn't
[07:07] <sig> I can no longer suspend to disc
[07:07] <bob2> sig: have you filed a bug?
[07:07] <sig> in hoary
[07:07] <sig> let me get you the link bob2
[07:07] <hyphenated> samuel: it doesn't make sense to bind to both, with most dynamic dns services
[07:07] <DarthVaranger> daniels: can I install Ubuntu from the Live CD ?
[07:07] <sig> bob2: yes there are a few bugs on it iir
[07:08] <goofrider> DarthVaranger, sorry no
[07:08] <daniels> DarthVaranger: not yet
[07:08] <goofrider> DarthVaranger, it'll be possible in the future. it's one of the future goals
[07:08] <samuel> hyphenated, sorry, i didnt explain myself well... i just want one, but i use wireless net at home and wired at work...
[07:08] <samuel> different interfaces
[07:09] <DarthVaranger> daniels: Great! I am downloading the Install CD !! but I just discovered two CD versions (Live and Install)
[07:09] <daniels> yeah
[07:09] <hyphenated> samuel: and it's a laptop you take around with you?
[07:09] <samuel> hyphenated, yes
[07:10] <goofrider> samuel, have u tried netappplet?
[07:10] <goofrider> netapplet. it might be what u need
[07:10] <dle> Hello.  I'm looking at a hand-rolled Ubuntu CD that I forgot to label -- I don't know which version it is.  Where should I look on the CD itself for version info?
[07:10] <_nate> this compression of a 3.7 GB file is taking forever
[07:10] <samuel> goofrider,  netapplet? thanks... ill look into it
[07:11] <samuel> does #ubuntu have a bot like debian?
[07:11] <samuel> apt?
[07:11] <hyphenated> samuel: well, you can use 'web' to get the ip address
[07:11] <hyphenated> samuel: that will be interface-independent
[07:12] <Predius_> http://www.whatismyip.com
[07:12] <bob2> samuel: no
[07:12] <hyphenated> Predius_: you missed the rest of the story. ddclient configuration
[07:12] <samuel> hyphenated, yes, thats not the problem, i just dont know, or i guess i could get it to update both interfaces....
[07:12] <PrediusV2> Ah, ok.
[07:12] <hyphenated> samiam: heh, nah.. have a look at /usr/share/doc/ddclient/examples/sample-etc_ddclient.conf
[07:12] <sig> bob2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsToshiba
[07:12] <hyphenated> oops, that was for samuel
[07:13] <PrediusV2> I had to reboot because, strangely, my keyboard locked up.
[07:13] <samuel> hyphenated, thanks
[07:13] <sig> I'm still searching for the thing I found
[07:13] <Badness45> ok  goofrider
[07:13] <samuel> ill look into it
[07:13] <goofrider> Badness45, ??
[07:13] <Badness45> i still haven't got the package for dvd maybe cause i have a 64 bit
[07:14] <goofrider> Badness45, what package?
[07:14] <transgress> libdvdcss?
[07:14] <transgress> it works on 64 bit
[07:14] <hyphenated> samuel: it is probably more appropriate anyway, because your interface IP is probably not going to be your public IP
[07:14] <Badness45> yeah
[07:14] <sig> bob2: I found this:
[07:14] <sig> jerome bettis
[07:14] <sig> 03-26-2005, 03:12 PM
[07:14] <sig> to get software suspend 2 working you need two things: the hibernate script, which you have and a kernel that has been compiled (oh noes) with their patch at http://swsusp2.sf.net
[07:14] <sig> download the patch for your kernel, extract it, cd to /usr/src/linux and do sudo /path/to/the patch/apply .. then recompile the kernel. if you need help with that see the wiki, or ask us.
[07:14] <bob2> sig: afaict, only one of those doesn't work with suspend-to-disk
[07:14] <transgress> it runs on my lappy beautifully
[07:14] <sig> sorry for the big paste
[07:14] <bob2> sig: please do not paste stuff in here
[07:14] <sig> whatever
[07:14] <bob2> sig: yes, those are instructions to get swsusp2 working, but they don't say anything about swsup itself
[07:14] <sig> I'm helping people
[07:15] <Badness45> the site said to install regionset then run in with the dvd in there but that doesn't work
[07:15] <samuel> bob2, im going to start a charity... "bring apt to #ubuntu"
[07:15] <bob2> samuel: er, ok, I'm just pointing out that swsusp does seem to work for most people
[07:15] <bob2> er, sig
[07:15] <sig> bob2: well it doesn't work on this Sony Viao PCG-FRV37
[07:15] <goofrider> Badness45, well, what errors are u getting?
[07:16] <sig> it did in Warty though I do have to say perfectly
[07:16] <Badness45> xine tells me to install libdvdcss then it should play encryed dvds
[07:16] <kdp> does anyone here have experience w/modems in ubuntu?
[07:16] <sig> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPMResults
[07:16] <kdp> specifically broadcom modems
[07:17] <sig> bob2: as I see there is all sorts of stuff on the forums
[07:17] <Badness45> but when i run the regionset in terminal it ask me which region i selected 1 then said Y for yes
[07:17] <kdp> mine is recognized by the device manager but i cant connect
[07:17] <goofrider> Badness45, are u installed libdvdcss? right? and how? from some repo or that sccript from ubuntuguide?
[07:17] <bob2> sig: right, if it doesn't work on your hardware, it's a bug which should be fixed :-)
[07:17] <Badness45> then it said its running but the
[07:17] <bob2> sig: if people report problems on the forums, please do encourage them to see if their bug is already reported, and if not, to do so
[07:17] <bob2> otherwise it will never get fixed
[07:18] <sig> bob2: this link: shows that a lot of laptops arent working with it
[07:18] <sig> bob2: I understand this
[07:18] <sig> I've submitted a bug a while ago
[07:18] <sig> just waiting for a fix
[07:18] <bob2> cool, thanks :)
[07:19] <Badness45> ok this command  sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 says package is unavalible or obselete
[07:19] <_nate> i need to post my wiki about network interfaces not getting configured during install.  whichever interface you use in install is configured and is a valid interface, whichever ones you don't are not
[07:19] <sig> _nate: the Netgear works wonderfully
[07:19] <sig> never had to do a thing
[07:19] <kdp> i already miss my network connection, stupid dial up
[07:19] <lifeless> _nate: I did an install yesterday, used eth1, and both eth0 and eth1 were configured properly
[07:19] <goofrider> Badness45, did u add backports or Marillat to your sources.list?
[07:20] <Badness45> nah
[07:20] <Badness45> how do i do that
[07:20] <_nate> lifeless: hmmm, maybe its just my hardware then
[07:20] <Badness45> i followed the guide
[07:20] <_nate> lifeless: Centrino laptop from Acer :)
[07:20] <goofrider> Badness45,  http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[07:20] <Badness45> f your video playback software (e.g. Xine, MPlayer?, Totem, etc.) locks up when attempting to access a DVD, you will need to: (1) Install regionset; and (2) Run regionset WITH a DVD in your drive.
[07:21] <Badness45> that's what it said
[07:21] <goofrider> Badness45, only add Marillat testing, or Ubuntu-backports
[07:21] <Badness45> ok
[07:21] <Badness45> hold imma try it now
[07:21] <kdp> and wvdial doesnt work either
[07:22] <Badness45> ok question
[07:22] <goofrider> Badness45, don't add everything the guide said, just add Marillat testing is sufficient
[07:22] <Badness45> i have warty does that matter
[07:23] <goofrider> Badness45, Marillat testing should be fine for warty
[07:23] <Badness45> ok
[07:23] <mae> so, anyone on 64 bit procs?
[07:23] <goofrider> mae, Badness45 is
[07:24] <transgress> mae: my lappy is 64bit
[07:24] <Badness45> i am
[07:24] <Badness45> so is mine
[07:24] <_nate> far-cry is out for 64-bit now
[07:24] <_nate> thats gotta run GREAT
[07:25] <Badness45> i wish i could get the broadcom wireless working
[07:25] <Badness45> it does
[07:25] <transgress> Badness45: i wrote a wiki on that
[07:25] <kdp> hahaha you have problems w/broadcom wireless, i have problems w/broadcom modem...broadcom just isnt that great, are they
[07:25] <Badness45> yeah
[07:26] <Badness45> i hate them
[07:26] <Badness45> unless i can get it to work
[07:26] <transgress> Badness45: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowtoUseNdiswrapperOnAmd64Ubuntu
[07:26] <Badness45> thanks
[07:26] <transgress> my broadcom wireless works just fine
[07:27] <goofrider> ndiswrapper on AMD64? that actually works?
[07:27] <transgress> no i made the shit up goofrider
[07:27] <transgress> made a wiki out of it
[07:28] <Badness45> ima try it after i get the dvd working
[07:28] <mae> farcry has a linux port?
[07:28] <_nate> no
[07:28] <_nate> its for win64
[07:28] <_nate> but still
[07:29] <_nate> i wonder how much performance is gained by the 64-bit platform
[07:29] <Seveas> not much
[07:29] <_nate> Seveas: really?
[07:29] <Seveas> there aren't really any 64 bit windows programs
[07:29] <philc1> is swsusp2 in breezy?
[07:29] <goofrider> Seveas, they're talking about far-cry win64
[07:29] <_nate> Seveas: no, with win64 and farcry 64, how many fps extra would you get?
[07:29] <Seveas> ah ok
[07:30] <goofrider> _nate, that's depends on if they have a 64-bit extension for SSE2/3
[07:31] <Badness45> goofrider after i install that then what
[07:31] <goofrider> _nate, I should look it up, I'm kinda curious myself
[07:31] <goofrider> Badness45, then it should Just Works (tm)
[07:31] <_nate> goofrider: that just went greek for me, SSE2/3?
[07:32] <Seveas> Streaming SIMD Extensions, intel specific processor extensions
[07:32] <goofrider> SSE is the vector/matrix operation extension to x86
[07:32] <count0nz> anyone know of a videocrypt decoder for linux, theres a few for windows but i don't wana use withdows to watch pay tv :)
[07:33] <Seveas> goofrider, not really on x86, just on p3/p4
[07:35] <_nate> hmmm, cd won't unmount after using krusader
[07:36] <_nate> anyone experienced this?
[07:38] <transgress> don't think i've ever used krusader
[07:38] <transgress> what is it?
[07:38] <Seveas> sounds like a kde app
[07:38] <_nate> it is
[07:38] <Seveas> so i never used it :)
[07:38] <drcode> hhi all
[07:38] <JairunCaloth> what is the name of the x configuration utilty?
[07:38] <transgress> well i'm in kubuntu on this box... so i'm interested
[07:38] <bob2> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:38] <_nate> its pretty nice, allows for dual-pane file-browsing
[07:38] <drcode> for some reson some console screen if i press ls I get rusion fonts and not eng.
[07:38] <_nate> mostly useful for copying random files and whatnot
[07:39] <drcode> i mybe press on some keyboard
[07:39] <kdp> drcode, well, can you read russian?
[07:39] <_nate> transgress: its better than konquerer
[07:39] <transgress> i see
[07:39] <transgress> it in apt?
[07:40] <_nate> yep
[07:40] <yarlah> hi i need help
[07:40] <klaus^^^> what is the name of that game tux...
[07:40] <klaus^^^> ?
[07:40] <_nate> transgress: in universe
[07:40] <Seveas> supertux / tuxracer / tuxkart
[07:41] <yarlah> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:41] <yarlah> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:41] <yarlah> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:41] <yarlah> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:41] <yarlah>  i get this when i try to update
[07:41] <transgress> don't forget the one that is a remake of mario
[07:41] <transgress> YARLAH I HATE YOU
[07:41] <yarlah> what does it mean?
[07:41] <Seveas> yarlah, do NOT paste here
[07:41] <transgress> you dipshit
[07:41] <yarlah> sorry
[07:41] <transgress> it's okay
[07:41] <Seveas> transgress, language please...
[07:41] <yarlah> where can i go ask for help
[07:41] <transgress> whoa... first time i've ever been warned about language in here... weird
[07:41] <yarlah> sorry people
[07:42] <transgress> you can here
[07:42] <Seveas> yarlah, do an apt-get update first
[07:42] <yarlah> i did
[07:42] <yarlah> and that was the error
[07:42] <transgress> yeah just do apt-get update and try again
[07:42] <yarlah> ok
[07:42] <Seveas> yarlah, maybe you did upgrade, you need to do apt-get update
[07:43] <Badness45> ok dvds still don't work
[07:43] <Badness45> imma try to install the broadcom wireless drivers
[07:43] <transgress> Badness45: did you follow the restricted guide?
[07:43] <Badness45> yeah man
[07:44] <Badness45> i have been doing that all day
[07:44] <Badness45> with the region set
[07:44] <yarlah> i did apt-get upgrade and something failed
[07:44] <Seveas> Badness45, broadcoms are relatively easy to get working
[07:44] <transgress> yeah it's bad to do an upgrade with marillat enabled
[07:44] <Badness45> ok
[07:44] <transgress> yarlah: ^
[07:44] <_nate> transgress: krusader makes unmounting a cd break
[07:44] <Badness45> ima try it now
[07:45] <Seveas> Badness45, nidswrapper -i bcmw5.inf (oslt)
[07:45] <_nate> transgress: you have to kill gam_server to unmount it
[07:45] <Seveas> ndiswrapper -m
[07:45] <transgress> _nate: okay.
[07:45] <yarlah> what is marillat
[07:45] <Seveas> echo ndiswrapper | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[07:45] <transgress> Seveas: he's got 64 bit...
[07:45] <Seveas> yarlah, the thing you added to your sources.list
[07:45] <Seveas> transgress, ouch
[07:45] <Seveas> ok, ndiswrappe will not work that easily
[07:45] <transgress> Seveas: it's easy enough... i wrote a wiki on it
[07:45] <yarlah> oh
[07:45] <Seveas> ah ok
[07:45] <aballek> Do somebody have repositories for Ubuntu spanish
[07:46] <wnight> Speaking of gam_server, it keeps holding open directories that I want to delete, long after the gnautilus is closed. Even after I kill gam_server...
[07:46] <Seveas> yarlah, if you do not know what marillat is, then don't use it
[07:46] <Seveas> aballek, just the normal repositories...
[07:46] <yarlah> k
[07:46] <pink_> what is the best software to use for webdesign?
[07:46] <aballek> oka
[07:46] <bob2> aballek: why would the language matter?
[07:46] <Seveas> pink_, vim :)
[07:46] <transgress> pink_: vi!
[07:46] <_nate> what IS gam_server?
[07:46] <bob2> pink_: depends entirely on how you like to work
[07:46] <yarlah> what do i use?
[07:46] <bob2> _nate: gamin, it tracks changes to files and directories
[07:46] <wnight> yarlah: Repository of software it might be illegal to distribute in the USA. Crypto, DVD players, you know - terrorist tools.
[07:47] <_nate> bob2: can it be turned off, or should it even be turned off?
[07:47] <helio7> night all; thank you for all you do; ubuntu Rocks!
[07:47] <pink_> i like to work pretty much with mostly design and less code
[07:47] <pink_> how would i find vim?
[07:47] <yarlah> terrorist tools?
[07:47] <wnight> yarlah: I might have missed your question, but what are you wanting to do?
[07:47] <bob2> _nate: it shouldn't be, but it could, I guess
[07:47] <yarlah> i want to update
[07:47] <yarlah> and i get errors
[07:47] <bob2> pink_: if you don't want to write html yourself, vim is not what you want
[07:48] <_nate> pink_: nu
[07:48] <pink_> oh ok...is there a more graphical software then?
[07:48] <wnight> yarlah: A joke - you know how the USA is turning fascist? They get special exeptions for terrorism because of a trajedy and then everything becomes terrorism... NM, my own rant.
[07:48] <pink_> nu...?
[07:48] <transgress> yarlah: you don't add marillat and then update... you add marillat, get what you need from it (w32codecs and libdvdcss2 probably) and then you turn marillat off and update then
[07:49] <_nate> pink_: its nu or vnu or something, let me find it for you
[07:49] <yarlah> ok
[07:49] <wnight> yarlah: What program are you trying to use (apt-get, synaptic, or the little 'update here' icon?) and what, as precisely as possible in a line, is the error?
[07:49] <Badness45> transgress: what is this `uname -r`
[07:49] <pink_> thank you so much _nate!
[07:49] <transgress> wnight: he needs to turn marillat off
[07:49] <transgress> Badness45: just put it in exactly like that... it'll get the proper kernel version for you
[07:49] <_nate> pink_: http://www.nvu.com/
[07:49] <wnight> transgress: Thanks.
[07:49] <transgress> those are backticks not quotes
[07:49] <pink_> k thanks
[07:50] <transgress> Badness45: ^
[07:50] <_nate> pink_: its about as graphical as i've seen in linux
[07:50] <pink_> cool
[07:50] <_nate> np
[07:50] <wnight> yarlah: I'll leave you in transgress's hand then.
[07:50] <Badness45> transgress: it says E: couldn't find uname package
[07:50] <_nate> its no frontpage or dreamweaver though, pink_
[07:50] <bob2> uname isn't a package to install
[07:50] <transgress> yarlah: what did you want from marillat?
[07:51] <pink_> hmm...well, ok. thanks is it anythin at all like the dreamweaver interface?
[07:51] <wnight> pink_: Do consider at least reading your own HTML. Or use Firefox and the DOM Viewer to look at what the program puts out. They're all overly complex and ugly, making them much larger, slower to load, and harder to maintain.
[07:51] <transgress> Badness45: did you use quotes or backticks?
[07:51] <Badness45> ''
[07:51] <transgress> they are backticks
[07:51] <Badness45> those
[07:51] <transgress> the thing next to the one
[07:52] <transgress> with the squiggly on top of it
[07:52] <Badness45> next to 1
[07:52] <_nate> ````````
[07:52] <_nate> `~`~`~
[07:52] <yarlah> i very new to this and i foolwed the ubuntuguide
[07:52] <Badness45> ok
[07:52] <yarlah> the unoffical ubuntuguide
[07:52] <yarlah> followed*
[07:52] <pink_> hmm...ok thank you wnight i am so thankful for your comments
[07:52] <transgress> it tells linux to run it as a command... so it's running uname -r and putting that data in linux-headers-... or whatever it is
[07:52] <wnight> Dunno who is claiming what. Backtick ````    Single Quote ''''
[07:53] <transgress> yarlah: what are you trying to get off of marillat?
[07:53] <transgress> yarlah: you added a repo to your sources.list... why did you add it?  what file did you need?
[07:53] <yarlah> download the softwares
[07:53] <transgress> what softwares!?
[07:53] <yarlah> this is my second day on linux
[07:53] <pink_> i am having a  little trouble finding which one to download to install it though...do i download the debian dist. for ubuntu 5.04 or should i compile from the source file?
[07:53] <wnight> yarlah: Do you know that the marillat repository is for specialized software (DVD Decryptors, Crypto, etc)? If so, what software is it that you want?
[07:54] <transgress> you only need to get a couple things from marillat... and then disable it... it breaks upgrade
[07:54] <yarlah> nah
[07:54] <transgress> yarlah: i did tell you that a second ago... anyways... just disable marillat... go into your sources.list and put a # next to ftp.nerim.whateverthehell
[07:54] <yarlah> i look thru this guide that showed me how to install http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[07:55] <yarlah> and i followed every word
[07:55] <transgress> then do sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:55] <pink_> ok
[07:55] <transgress> yarlah: i don't care... just do what we are saying...
[07:55] <yarlah> k
[07:55] <Badness45> transgress: use the driver of my system cd
[07:56] <transgress> if you like... or grab the ones off of linuxant... they'd be the first package... those are for 64bit
[07:56] <transgress> Badness45: ^
[07:56] <Badness45> ok
[07:57] <yarlah> transgress change it back to the original?
[07:57] <Badness45> transgress:(where ''driver'' is the driver's name)
[07:57] <transgress> yarlah: as i've said about 30 times... you need like 2-3 things from marillat... if you aren't wanting those... then turn it off... it breaks the upgrade function
[07:57] <transgress> Badness45: yes... but it also gave you a link somewhere in there to linuxant to get the drivers if you didn't have them...
[07:58] <Badness45> i have it
[07:58] <transgress> http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/drivers.php they probably have the drivers you need.
[07:58] <Badness45> but how do i right the
[07:58] <transgress> how do you right the what?
[07:58] <Badness45> transgress:(where ''driver'' is the driver's name)
[07:58] <transgress> replace "driver" with name.inf
[07:58] <Badness45> that part
[07:58] <Badness45> ok
[07:58] <transgress> no quotes
[07:58] <Badness45> ok
[07:59] <Badness45> no parentases
[07:59] <harsha> can some one tell me how to start a service everytime u reboot the system
[07:59] <harsha> is it /etc/init.d/xxxxxxxxx
[07:59] <Badness45> ok it says alread installed
[07:59] <samuel> does open-ssh server need two ports for sftp? or just the default 22?
[07:59] <transgress> nothing... it will be a file named something.inf with something.sys in the same directory (that's important!) and run ndiswrapper -i something.inf and it will install it
[08:00] <transgress> Badness45: ndiswrapper -l
[08:00] <transgress> what's that say?
[08:01] <Badness45> when i put sudo ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf it say bcmwl5 is areadly installed
[08:01] <Badness45> -l sasy
[08:01] <yarlah> thanks transgress
[08:01] <yarlah> bb
[08:01] <Badness45> they all are invalid
[08:01] <wnight> harsha: The easiest thing to do to see what the structure is, is just  ls -l /etc/rc1.d and /etc/init.d/ and look at the scripts. If you want the easiest way, man update-rc.d
[08:02] <_trevor> does anyone know if there's a way to setup ubuntu so it will give you a list of all the wireless network around you and ask which one to connect to kind of like you can on an OS which will go unnamed...
[08:02] <wnight> samuel: It should just need 22.
[08:03] <aballek> bye
[08:03] <metalsand> smks?
[08:03] <Badness45> transgress: when i put sudo ndiswrapper -l it say invalid driver
[08:04] <dabaSlon_smks> whats up metal?
[08:04] <dabaSlon_smks> Im going to get smthng
[08:04] <dabaSlon_smks> brb
[08:04] <transgress> then you did something not right... remove the driver... get the ones from linuxant and install those
[08:04] <dabaSlon_smks> ;)
[08:04] <dabaSlon_smks> :(
[08:05] <Badness45> ok
[08:05] <transgress> hey anyone know the command to update after installing shared libraries?  isn't it like ldconfig or something?
[08:06] <Badness45> ok
[08:07] <harsha> thanks wnight
[08:07] <wnight> harsha: No problem. If you run into any problems, let me know.
[08:10] <Badness45> transgress: ok it says no drivers installed and i got the one from linuant
[08:10] <transgress> okay untar those... go into the directory that it untars to, and ndiswrapper thatdriver.inf
[08:11] <Badness45> ok and i ndiswrapper it
[08:11] <ubuntu989> :)
[08:11] <transgress> ndiswrapper -i drivername.inf
[08:11] <ubuntu989> hi, I see you're playing with wi-fi cards, right?
[08:12] <Badness45> it says cp: cannot stat `netbc564': no such file directory
[08:13] <Badness45> ok
[08:13] <Badness45> unziped it to the desktop
[08:13] <transgress> ubuntu989: yes
[08:13] <Badness45> ok
[08:13] <transgress> why are you trying to cp the directory
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> how do i compile firefox with pango ? --enable-pango wont work..
[08:14] <Badness45> no i got it
[08:14] <transgress> oh okay
[08:14] <Badness45> hold up
[08:14] <Badness45> imma ndiswrapper -l
[08:14] <Badness45> lol
[08:14] <transgress> did you ndiswrapper -i yet?
[08:14] <Badness45> ok present and hardware presnt
[08:15] <Badness45> yeah prior to -l
[08:15] <transgress> okay do the other stuff to make sure it starts on boot and whatnot...
[08:15] <ubuntu989> well, good luck. I've installed a PCI Wi-Fi (C-Net CWP-854) a week ago and it worked fine. It has RT2500 chipset, and it has native drivers for linux :)
[08:16] <philc1> is swsusp2 in breezy?
[08:16] <transgress> i need to get me a couple pci wifi cards for my desktop and server... that will push me to get a router so i can use my lappy around the house
[08:16] <AMCDeathKnight> Hey guys
[08:16] <transgress> philc1: do you think you really wanna run breezy?
[08:16] <Badness45> ok mod probe says config already contains alias directive
[08:17] <transgress> did you already modprobe ndiswrapper prior?
[08:17] <dead^> Hi. I'm trying to make DC++ work on Linux and I foun howto, but there are many terms that I don't understand, because I'm just starting with Linux. Could someone help me out with this?
[08:17] <AMCDeathKnight> What do you guys think of Ubuntu
[08:17] <ubuntu989> transgress: that's what I did. If you can, try some card with rt2500 chipset. It worked fine with no work at all..
[08:17] <transgress> dead^: DC++?
[08:17] <Badness45> when i try to install it like 3 days ago
[08:17] <dead^> transgress, yes, DC++
[08:17] <philc1> transgress: I might want to run a breezy kernel
[08:17] <transgress> dead^: i meant... "wtf is DC++?"
[08:18] <transgress> philc1: you really don't...
[08:18] <Badness45> transgress: when i try to install it like 3 days ago
[08:18] <transgress> rmmod it
[08:18] <dead^> transgress, common P2P program. famous on Windows
[08:18] <AMCDeathKnight> What is Breezy
[08:18] <transgress> then modprobe it again
[08:18] <Badness45> i did
[08:18] <ubuntu989> I've now this PCI card and a USB dongle (with the same chipset) in the laptop and I'm connecting them using wi-fi (ad-hoc).. it's cool.
[08:18] <goldfish> dead^: Did u see the howto on the ubuntu forums?
[08:18] <ubuntu989> Well, see ya!.
[08:18] <transgress> AMCDeathKnight: it's the next release of ubuntu... it's very UNSTABLE
[08:19] <ubuntu989> and Ubuntu is fine.. I'm testing hoary right now
[08:19] <Badness45> when i modprobe it it says " modprobe already contains alias directive
[08:19] <AMCDeathKnight> arh, well of course it would be unstable, hoary was just released
[08:19] <transgress> Badness45: you did rmmod ndiswrapper?
[08:19] <AMCDeathKnight> same, im on hoary now
[08:19] <Badness45> no
[08:19] <philc1> how do I automatically make all of the symlinks  in /boot when installing a manual kernel?
[08:19] <dead^> goldfish, yes I did, but I don't understand it, because I'm not familiar with the terms on Linux
[08:19] <goldfish> dead^: ok
[08:19] <transgress> Badness45: rmmod ndiswrapper as i said quite a bit ago
[08:20] <dead^> so, can someone help me out with this one?
[08:20] <ubuntu989> dead^: Have you tried googleing it?
[08:20] <AMCDeathKnight|W> The actual prefix would be: googling
[08:21] <AMCDeathKnight|W> without the 'e'
[08:21] <goldfish> dead^: ok, well it's not an easy install by the looks of it :)
[08:21] <ubuntu989> dead^: maybe you can find some linux application that connects to the DC++ networks (DirectConnect?)
[08:21] <transgress> dead^: http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de/articles.php?um=index
[08:21] <AMCDeathKnight|W> lol just felt like putting my thoughts into it
[08:21] <Badness45> it says cannot remmove ndiswrapper
[08:21] <Badness45> transgress:  it says cannot remmove ndiswrapper
[08:21] <ubuntu989> AMCDeathKnight|W: Thanks :P I've wroten "google for it", and then removed the other words and added the ing instead :P
[08:21] <transgress> Badness45: then just go ahead and add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules and restart your computer... that'll be about the only way to see
[08:21] <AMCDeathKnight|W> I was looking at enabling ubuntu as a remote server, so i can access my files from windows somewhere else on trhe internet
[08:22] <AMCDeathKnight|W> ok lol
[08:22] <ubuntu989> dead^: Try mldonkey.. it's fine!
[08:22] <AMCDeathKnight|W> Can someone tell me how to register my nickname for this channel?
[08:22] <Badness45> how i add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules
[08:22] <AMCDeathKnight|W> and is there away to auto- sign in to this account when i open xchat
[08:22] <ubuntu989> echo "ndiswrapper" >> /etc/modules
[08:22] <dead^> ubuntu989: umm... What's mldonkey? :/
[08:22] <Badness45> ok
[08:23] <ubuntu989> (warning! use >> , not >.. !)
[08:23] <goldfish> dead^: Well, you could just try enterening the commands, as he tells you to?
[08:23] <goldfish> *entering
[08:23] <ubuntu989> dead^: mldonkey is a multiple network P2P client
[08:23] <goldfish> dead^: Do you use torrents at all?
[08:24] <AMCDeathKnight> Someone told me Linux is a hackers system, would you guys agree to that?
[08:24] <ubuntu989> dead^: BitTorrent, eDonkey (eMule, and others that use the same network), FastTrack (kazaa), FileTP (FTP/HTTP downloads), etc
[08:24] <ubuntu989> AMC: Naah, you can even hack with PalmOS. :P
[08:24] <AMCDeathKnight> try Limewire, limewire I have found is fast and efficent
[08:24] <AMCDeathKnight> lol ok
[08:25] <ubuntu989> mldonkey is the best I've found.. You run the client and then you control it from a web page
[08:25] <AMCDeathKnight> hopefully I am synapticing all the lib files I need to run xine
[08:25] <transgress> dead^: i gave you a link for dc++ on linux
[08:25] <ubuntu989> so you can run it in your house, and add files to download from your work, school, etc
[08:26] <goldfish> ubuntu989: know of any ftp servers full of downloads? :)
[08:26] <dead^> goldfish: first question: yes, but I'm having problems with the first sentence. "you must download the sources from the linuxdcpp website via cvs" what's a 'via cvs'? and second: I don't. I have a fast LAN connection and everyone uses Windows
[08:26] <goldfish> oh right
[08:26] <AMCDeathKnight> lol, Jetstream Games, have a whole lot of downloads
[08:26] <goldfish> well, torrents would be no good for you
[08:27] <transgress> torrents are good for everyone
[08:27] <goldfish> on dialup?
[08:27] <ubuntu989> :) torrents are fine, but I love the donkey too.
[08:27] <AMCDeathKnight> The thing I hate about torrents are that it takes bandwidth from you, helping other people download their files
[08:27] <transgress> eh well it's gonna be just like most p2p networks
[08:27] <goldfish> dead^: I'm not familiar with the term myself :) but you can just enter the commands :)
[08:27] <ubuntu989> That's why I use mldonkey :P
[08:27] <transgress> AMCDeathKnight: that's what keeps p2p alive
[08:28] <goldfish> ah right, i thought torrents sucked on dialup.
[08:28] <dead^> goldfish: thanks, I'll try :D
[08:28] <AMCDeathKnight> I surpose to transgress
[08:28] <goldfish> dead^: good luck
[08:28] <ubuntu989> Well, nice to meet you guys..
[08:28] <AMCDeathKnight> you to
[08:28] <goldfish> dead^: if it doesnt work there alot of other p2p's that are installed with one command on ubuntu
[08:28] <dabaSlon_smks> transgress: me too, I surpose to you dude...
[08:28] <ubuntu989> I'm out, see you later.
[08:28] <transgress> dabaSlon_smks: are you high heh?
[08:29] <dabaSlon> no, I went to get smokes...another tough day...just waiting...
[08:29] <dabaSlon> but, I surpose, too.
[08:29] <dabaSlon> AMCDeathKnight: agreed.
[08:29] <AMCDeathKnight> Whats agreed?
[08:30] <dabaSlon> the torrents thing, man, youre so right, I surpose to transgress too.
[08:30] <dabaSlon> hey, where yuo from?
[08:30] <dabaSlon> and whos the knight?
[08:30] <AMCDeathKnight> i c
[08:30] <dabaSlon> and whats better than torrents?
[08:30] <AMCDeathKnight> Im in New Zealand
[08:31] <dabaSlon> Im in Canada...zealand is nice like hobbitland:)
[08:31] <dabaSlon> tha shiah
[08:31] <AMCDeathKnight> lol
[08:31] <dead^> goldfish: Yes, I'll bet there is, but if they don't use DC hublists, I won't have any use of my connection. Maybe I should install Windows on my hardrive and try to use Linux and Windows... :/
[08:31] <AMCDeathKnight> brb dishes
[08:31] <Razor-X> I'm in California
[08:31] <dabaSlon> hey, razor:)
[08:31] <Razor-X> hey daba
[08:31] <Razor-X> *daba
[08:31] <Razor-X> **dabaSlon
[08:31] <dabaSlon> do you surpose to transgress?:)
[08:31] <dabaSlon> daba is fine:)
[08:31] <Razor-X> let's!
[08:31] <goldfish> dead^: hmmm, ah right, well the donkey networks are quite good
[08:32] <transgress> i surpose installing windows is always a bad idea
[08:32] <dabaSlon> :)
[08:32] <Razor-X> dabaSlon: I prefer, as a courtesy, to type out people's full names
[08:32] <dabaSlon> transgress: for whom?
[08:32] <Razor-X> the trackball works excellent in Ubuntu
[08:32] <dabaSlon> anyhow, less enter from now.
[08:32] <dead^> goldfish: yeah, I'll try that one later, but thanks anyway :)
[08:32] <transgress> dabaSlon: always and everyone
[08:32] <goldfish> dead^: ah right, good luck with it.
[08:32] <dabaSlon> Sweet, yeah, it should, its not like a new technology...
[08:33] <goldfish> Time for some Linear Algebra study!
[08:33] <goldfish> laters
[08:33] <dabaSlon> transgress: serious? maybe...
[08:33] <dabaSlon> bye, good luck
[08:34] <dabaSlon> transgress: um...I think that linux/Unix, should be the primary OS, definitely, but installing Linux for some old lady, maybe not.
[08:34] <transgress> eh kde or gnome isn't really any harder to learn for basic usage than windows
[08:35] <transgress> and that old lady doesn't have to worry about learning why opening random attachments is bad
[08:35] <dabaSlon> but it has to work...anyhow, not really important:) your opinion.
[08:35] <transgress> or why she is getting spyware due to using the default browser
[08:35] <transgress> or what a browser is
[08:35] <goldfish> XFCE !
[08:35] <Razor-X> I'm gonna sumbit a math theory into Usenet
[08:35] <Razor-X> but, i'm scared ;)
[08:35] <dabaSlon> ooooh
[08:35] <transgress> a math theory?
[08:35] <Razor-X> my age is too young, i'm bound to get ridiculed
[08:35] <transgress> i wanna see?
[08:35] <Razor-X> yeahp
[08:35] <dabaSlon> sounds nice
[08:35] <Razor-X> you mind if I pollute the channel then?
[08:35] <transgress> pm me
[08:35] <dabaSlon> with what?
[08:36] <Razor-X> with math stuff
[08:36] <Razor-X> transgress: ok
[08:36] <dabaSlon> heh, its not my channel:)
[08:36] <dabaSlon> lets make a channel:)
[08:36] <transgress> join #irclikelife
[08:36] <Razor-X> or, that too ;)
[08:36] <transgress> thats mine
[08:36] <Badness45> ok transgress
[08:36] <Badness45> its in network
[08:37] <Badness45> i put in my wep
[08:37] <Badness45> but
[08:37] <Badness45> i think i need somthing eles
[08:37] <rixth> Can anyone reccomend good tool(s) for data recovery off NTFS drives?
[08:38] <dabaSlon> yeah, fdisk /dev/hdd....
[08:38] <Burgundavia> rixth, can you not just mount them, or are they farther gone than that?
[08:39] <dabaSlon> delete that crap that you collected...
[08:39] <dabaSlon> or whatever.
[08:39] <transgress> Badness45: the ESSID perhaps?
[08:39] <transgress> gnome has a network config tool
[08:39] <rixth> The user deleted files from the recycle bin (on XP Pro)
[08:39] <dabaSlon> undelete?
[08:39] <dabaSlon> bah
[08:39] <dabaSlon> ...
[08:39] <transgress> rixth: go into the recycler directory...
[08:40] <transgress> not recycle bin... but i think it's either _RECYCLE or _recycler or something...
[08:40] <rixth> Even after they've been removed from the Recycle bin?
[08:40] <rixth> I'll take a look. Gotta reboot first to get the drives in
[08:40] <transgress> rixth: yeah the files on the doze have many life spans
[08:40] <dabaSlon> I remember when I was in dos, there was undelete
[08:40] <transgress> rixth: may not work though
[08:40] <Badness45> transgress:  i put that too
[08:40] <transgress> rixth: look up data forensics
[08:40] <linux_mafia> Razor-X, i have a math theory, wanna hear mine
[08:40] <Badness45> after i put those in restart
[08:41] <transgress> Badness45: use the gnome network config for it... if it's in there you should be able to configure everything from it
[08:41] <Drako60> how do i allow access from a XP system to my Ubuntu box, i have samba installed but i'm not sure how to configure it to allow me to log in
[08:41] <dabaSlon> anyone in Cuba?
[08:41] <transgress> i wish i had been in cuba for that audioslave show
[08:41] <dabaSlon> I wish we had more cubans here, you think they are on some other channel:)?
[08:42] <transgress> perhaps #cuba?
[08:42] <dabaSlon> I have a cuban coconut right here, serious.
[08:42] <dabaSlon> ok, ill try
[08:42] <linux_mafia> dabaSlon, are they aloud unrestricted Internet?
[08:42] <rixth> Drako60, www.linuxhelp.net/guides/samba/
[08:42] <dabaSlon> hah, maybe not:(
[08:42] <AMCDeathKnight> ok guys
[08:42] <dabaSlon> (01:42:52) ChanServ: (notice) You do not have channel operator access to [#cuba] , bah
[08:42] <AMCDeathKnight> i need some help
[08:43] <transgress> i think cubans are allowed on the internet like normal
[08:43] <linux_mafia> dabaSlon, i dont know, just speculating, but i could see cuba having net access policies like the PRC
[08:43] <transgress> i think it's mainly the chinese "communist" that restrict the internet...
[08:43] <AMCDeathKnight> I am in synaptic, my friend said I need to set something named: Universe , as I want Xine,so i can play mp3's, wmv's and avis and mpegs
[08:43] <AMCDeathKnight> Please guide me to do it
[08:43] <dabaSlon> wow, you need help...
[08:43] <dabaSlon> :)
[08:43] <dabaSlon> help him, quick...:)
[08:44] <AMCDeathKnight> yeh well, i just installed Ubuntu yesterday
[08:44] <AMCDeathKnight> lol
[08:44] <dabaSlon> som,eone call someONE...lol
[08:44] <AMCDeathKnight> lol
[08:44] <transgress> AMCDeathKnight: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:44] <dabaSlon> ok, you have a file, called /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:44] <dabaSlon> sudo gedit that file.
[08:44] <AMCDeathKnight> so, I need terminal
[08:44] <dabaSlon> yup
[08:45] <dabaSlon> cl
[08:45] <transgress> i think all this is in the wiki i just sent him
[08:45] <linux_mafia> AMCDeathKnight, http://ubuntuguide.org/ will explain all, or at least alot
[08:45] <transgress> so you don't have to word for word it
[08:45] <dabaSlon> let him see where it is...
[08:45] <dabaSlon> not copy and paste commands...
[08:45] <dabaSlon> or, read the add repositories wiki, not those...
[08:45] <AMCDeathKnight> so, i change directory to it
[08:46] <AMCDeathKnight> "sudo: /etc/apt/sources.list: command not found
[08:46] <AMCDeathKnight> "
[08:46] <dabaSlon> you can sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list means superuserdo gedit editor, that file...
[08:46] <transgress> it was sudo gedit
[08:46] <Razor-X> transgress: by the way, i'm back in the channel
[08:46] <dabaSlon> that is a file.
[08:46] <dabaSlon> not a dir
[08:46] <pppoe_dude> Hi. i just installed ubuntu on my laptop, but it keeps freezing right after the login screen.
[08:46] <dabaSlon> it has a .ext
[08:46] <pppoe_dude> any ideas?
[08:47] <dabaSlon> what laptop?
[08:47] <AMCDeathKnight> i opened the file up
[08:47] <AMCDeathKnight> so, getdit does what
[08:47] <pppoe_dude> compar r4000 (amd64, ati radeon xpress)
[08:47] <dabaSlon> editor
[08:47] <dabaSlon> gnuedito
[08:47] <dabaSlon> r
[08:47] <pppoe_dude> *compq
[08:47] <AMCDeathKnight> like nano?
[08:47] <dabaSlon> ok, sure
[08:47] <dabaSlon> different
[08:47] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[08:47] <dabaSlon> or same, I neer used nano...
[08:47] <dabaSlon> so, you  need to add some lines.
[08:48] <dabaSlon> Ill get you a link
[08:48] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[08:48] <AMCDeathKnight> Why has it got: Hoary Main Restricted? why are these restricted?
[08:49] <dabaSlon> you can maybe uncomment some lines taht say universe ion them
[08:49] <dabaSlon> just remove the #
[08:49] <rixth> Where can one get info about harddrives? Even if they are not mounted?
[08:49] <dabaSlon> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:49] <AMCDeathKnight> like thia: deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:49] <AMCDeathKnight> uncomment that one
[08:49] <dabaSlon> rixth: undelete?
[08:49] <AMCDeathKnight> ?
[08:49] <dabaSlon> sure, yeah
[08:49] <dabaSlon> read that page too, if you want to.
[08:49] <linux_mafia> AMCDeathKnight, you in nz?
[08:49] <AMCDeathKnight> Yes
[08:50] <linux_mafia> shot
[08:50] <AMCDeathKnight> uncomment this one: # deb-src http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:50] <AMCDeathKnight> ?
[08:50] <AMCDeathKnight> Why?
[08:50] <AMCDeathKnight> Are you
[08:50] <linux_mafia> me too
[08:50] <AMCDeathKnight> nice
[08:50] <AMCDeathKnight> ^_^
[08:50] <rixth> Me too :)
[08:50] <AMCDeathKnight> lol
[08:50] <linux_mafia> shot, just means "ok cool"
[08:50] <rixth> Where can one get info about harddrives? Even if they are not mounted? undelete doesnt work.
[08:50] <AMCDeathKnight> So, i uncomment all of the ones with universe into them?
[08:51] <AMCDeathKnight> Where abouts in New Zealand?
[08:51] <rixth> Masterton
[08:51] <linux_mafia> AMCDeathKnight, auckland
[08:51] <AMCDeathKnight> ohh
[08:51] <AMCDeathKnight> nice
[08:51] <linux_mafia> holy nzers
[08:51] <AMCDeathKnight> lol
[08:51] <AMCDeathKnight> im just south of auckland myself
[08:51] <rixth> Got my Ubuntu discs yesterday, I'm ready to spread the word ^_^
[08:51] <linux_mafia> in ubuntu tonight, it truly is the global distro, hah
[08:51] <chocoIate> ok, so it seems i have winmodems and being a noob i'm unable to get them to work on ubuntu, included sound card. I guess i'm going to have to purchase something that works for linux or is there any way to get these winmodems/sound cards to work ;-?
[08:51] <AMCDeathKnight> lol
[08:52] <dabaSlon> WOW...3 ppl from nz???sweet:)
[08:52] <linux_mafia> chocoIate, check out linuxant
[08:52] <AMCDeathKnight> i havnt received any of the hoary disks I ordered. I just got my friend to burn me a downloaded copy lol
[08:52] <dabaSlon> chocoIate: did you read all three of those pages?
[08:52] <chocoIate> yep
[08:52] <chocoIate> followed it literally
[08:52] <AMCDeathKnight> ok, universe things uncommented
[08:52] <linux_mafia> chocoIate, or hear http://www.linmodems.org/
[08:52] <AMCDeathKnight> What now?
[08:52] <dabaSlon> AMCDeathKnight: Um, did you ncomment, and save the file?
[08:53] <dabaSlon> the you can close it.
[08:53] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[08:53] <dabaSlon> and, update your list of sources.
[08:53] <AMCDeathKnight> closed
[08:53] <AMCDeathKnight> by just reloading Synpatic?
[08:53] <dabaSlon> sudo apt-get update means update the list of available packages.
[08:53] <dabaSlon> or, realoading synaptic.
[08:53] <AMCDeathKnight> lol
[08:53] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[08:53] <chocoIate> didnt work out, though i didnt try the isdn one coz i couldnt understand what these lines meant, i tried running that line in the terminal window but it just errored on me :o
[08:53] <dabaSlon> three button dance, as Burgundaviasaid.
[08:53] <chocoIate> that install command, where am i supposed to run that :o
[08:54] <dabaSlon> chocoIate: all 3 did not give you any results?
[08:54] <AMCDeathKnight> brb dishes
[08:54] <dabaSlon> again???
[08:54] <dabaSlon> no, trhat has to mean something else..
[08:54] <AMCDeathKnight> no, last time it was dinner
[08:55] <dabaSlon> I just saw you type it 10 mins ago
[08:55] <dabaSlon> I havent moved from the spot.
[08:55] <dabaSlon> maybe Im just a sloth
[08:55] <AMCDeathKnight> i dubbo
[08:55] <AMCDeathKnight> brb
[08:55] <linux_mafia> i wonder where the nz ubuntu archive is hosted? its slower than using an international mirror
[08:55] <chocoIate> the stuff for the dialup modem didnt work, i followed everything literally
[08:56] <AMCDeathKnight> maybe in auck;ad
[08:56] <chocoIate> i then tried that wvdial thingie and it did a search and returned with couldnt find a modem and failed
[08:56] <AMCDeathKnight> *auckland
[08:56] <linux_mafia> AMCDeathKnight, dont think so
[08:56] <linux_mafia> AMCDeathKnight, 82. ip block
[08:56] <chocoIate> the stuff on ISDN modem, well theres like 2 steps involved, however running this in the terminal window doesnt do anything :S
[08:57] <chocoIate> 1. install linux-restricted-modules-$ARCH (to get the binary avm drivers) and avm-fritz-firmware-2.6.10-3 (to get the firmware)
[08:57] <Badness45> transgress: ok i see it in network
[08:57] <Badness45> but its not working
[08:57] <chocoIate> where am i supposed to run that, dabaSlon ;-?
[08:58] <linux_mafia> AMCDeathKnight, in london
[08:58] <linux_mafia> weird
[08:58] <dabaSlon> did you install that, choc?
[08:58] <chocoIate> how :o
[08:58] <AMCDeathKnight> ok, reloaded
[08:58] <AMCDeathKnight> ohh
[08:58] <AMCDeathKnight> what now?
[08:58] <dabaSlon> install it
[08:59] <dabaSlon> $arch could be like i386, or smthng, we'll figure it out, cache search
[08:59] <dabaSlon> and the other could be a package?
[08:59] <chocoIate> boh :^)
[08:59] <dabaSlon> nope, its not.
[08:59] <dabaSlon> what are they?
[09:00] <AMCDeathKnight> ok so: sudo apt-get xine?
[09:00] <benplaut> this is so weird!
[09:00] <dabaSlon> yup, both packages:)
[09:00] <chocoIate> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowtoHoary <-- this is the link
[09:00] <dabaSlon> install before xine, yes
[09:01] <benplaut> a few months ago, i was thinking to myself that the only things that Ubuntu needed to be sub-perfect was better wifi/laptop support and an OEM installer!
[09:01] <dabaSlon> k, Ill give you some search commands, k?
[09:01] <benplaut> and now it's in their goals!
[09:01] <chocoIate> ok, thanks :)
[09:01] <AMCDeathKnight> wait
[09:01] <dabaSlon> chocoIate: apt-cache search avm-fri*
[09:01] <benplaut> freeky :^O
[09:01] <dabaSlon> pentium 4??
[09:01] <chocoIate> i'm on windowsxp now :P internet is not working on linux :PpP
[09:01] <rixth>  Can anyone reccomend data recovery for NTFS drives?
[09:01] <dabaSlon> how are you gonna get it?
[09:01] <dabaSlon> I gotta get it somehow, I guess??
[09:02] <dabaSlon> let me man apt-get
[09:02] <AMCDeathKnight> : Invalid operation xine
[09:02] <chocoIate> :)
[09:03] <transgress> AMCDeathKnight: apt-get install xine
[09:03] <transgress> anyways... night
[09:03] <transgress> gone
[09:03] <transgress> not here anymore
[09:03] <dabaSlon> 4 megs
[09:03] <dabaSlon> youll have to add some weird source...
[09:03] <linux_mafia> totem-xine
[09:03] <linux_mafia> not just xine
[09:04] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[09:04] <AMCDeathKnight> lol
[09:04] <AMCDeathKnight> me=dumbass
[09:04] <transgress> i'd get vlc to play dvd's if you are looking to do that
[09:04] <dabaSlon> sudo apt-get install xine*:)
[09:04] <dabaSlon> and, you will need gstreamer to run it.
[09:04] <transgress> it tends to skip a lot less than totem-xine for me...
[09:04] <transgress> but gone... i swear
[09:05] <linux_mafia> hell no, totem-xine + marillats dvd packages, codecs etc, is the only way to go for dvd's on ubuntu
[09:05] <AMCDeathKnight> Whats wrong with VLC, I use it on Windows PLatform?
[09:06] <linux_mafia> nothing wrong with vlkc
[09:06] <dabaSlon> chocoIate: give me some time, tho...
[09:06] <linux_mafia> vlc
[09:06] <rixth>  Can anyone reccomend good Linux tools for data recovery off NTFS drives?
[09:06] <linux_mafia> just myself and many others, have found that totem-xine + marillat is solid and performs well
[09:06] <dabaSlon> chocoIate: I have em.
[09:06] <AMCDeathKnight> yay its getting xine
[09:07] <dabaSlon> You need to dpkg them, only:)
[09:07] <dabaSlon> pm
[09:07] <AMCDeathKnight> I think its done
[09:08] <AMCDeathKnight> So, It should work auto?
[09:08] <linux_mafia> rixth, knoppix
[09:09] <AMCDeathKnight> fuk I lost the taskbar
[09:09] <Badness45> transgress: ok i see the wireless card in network but it doesn't work
[09:09] <AMCDeathKnight> mind my swearing, sorry about that
[09:09] <newbie> [test] 
[09:09] <Razor-X> i'm back
[09:10] <Badness45> the wireless card light blinks the shuts off
[09:10] <AMCDeathKnight> I lost the list of open windows on the bottom taskbar
[09:10] <AMCDeathKnight> how do i get them back
[09:10] <Badness45> when activating
[09:10] <dabaSlon> chocoIate: http://pastebin.com/285504
[09:10] <mrpsycho> anybody know where the clipart is for oo?
[09:11] <rixth> How do I kill a Zombie process?
[09:11] <Razor-X> check the updates I put in the channel about the math thingie
[09:11] <Razor-X> rixth: does it have an X Window?
[09:11] <rixth> No
[09:12] <liable> rixth: you cant, /msg pkg zombie
[09:12] <rixth> Okay
[09:12] <liable> dpkg
[09:12] <linux_mafia> mrpsycho, openclipart
[09:13] <mrpsycho> is that in /usr/share ?
[09:13] <linux_mafia> mrpsycho, openclipart-openoffice.org to be more precise
[09:13] <linux_mafia> mrpsycho, probably not installed by default
[09:14] <mrpsycho> ah
[09:14] <mrpsycho> im kind of going crazy as i have 2 presentations to write for tomorrow
[09:17] <dabaSlon> psycho...
[09:17] <AMCDeathKnight> lol
[09:18] <mrpsycho> heh
[09:18] <mrpsycho> not a good time to discover oo has trouble reading ppt presentations
[09:19] <liable> mrpsycho: /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery?
[09:20] <dabaSlon> mrpsycho: what are ou gettiing at?
[09:20] <dabaSlon> trying to make them?
[09:20] <dabaSlon> the presentation slides?
[09:20] <mrpsycho> thanks liable
[09:20] <liable> np
[09:21] <mrpsycho> some odd irregularities with objects mostly
[09:21] <DanC> hmm... "To try the Live CD, place the CD in your CD-ROM drive and reboot your computer. " doesn't work on this powerbook
[09:21] <DanC> is boots osx.
[09:21] <DanC> I checked the md5sum
[09:22] <DanC> what file on the CD is the boot thingy?
[09:22] <AMCDeathKnight> boot off cd on the bios
[09:22] <AMCDeathKnight> make it the first one
[09:22] <liable> DanC: you have to enable boot cd in bios
[09:22] <DanC> bios? in a powerbook?
[09:23] <dabaSlon> do you hold c while booting?:-p
[09:23] <liable> DanC: http://www.jacsoft.co.nz/Tech_Notes/Mac_Keys.htm?
[09:24] <dabaSlon> DanC: man
[09:24] <dabaSlon> DId you hear my q?
[09:24] <DanC> hold c? no, I didn't. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ didn't say anything about that. is holding c a work-around for some problem(s), or the normal way to use the ubutntu live cd?
[09:24] <dabaSlon> haha...
[09:24] <dabaSlon> go do that.
[09:24] <dabaSlon> it is a mac thing, not ubuntu
[09:24] <dabaSlon> I have a g4 i...
[09:25] <dabaSlon> go do it.
[09:25] <dabaSlon> dan c, didnt hold c,...
[09:25] <dabaSlon> bah...
[09:26] <DanC> ok, holding C works. This is the normal way to use the ubuntu live CD? if so, the website is misleading. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ says "To try the Live CD, place the CD in your CD-ROM drive and reboot your computer." nothing about the c key
[09:28] <DanC> ugh... DHCP timed out; I wondered if it would grok the wireless hardware in this powerbook
[09:28] <linux_mafia> DanC, i assume thay think that people using macs know that you need to hold "c" to boot from  a cd
[09:29] <DanC> well, I didn't. or I forgot. seems like it's worth another 5 words on the web site.
[09:30] <linux_mafia> guess so, oversite i suppose
[09:32] <Badness45> anyone here installed the wifi drivers
[09:33] <allistairr> how do you change you video drivers?
[09:34] <linux_mafia> da_bon_bon has the worst exit sig ive ever seen
[09:34] <liable> allistairr: in what, x?
[09:35] <allistairr> in ubuntu
[09:35] <allistairr> gnome
[09:35] <liable> allistairr: whats the problem
[09:36] <allistairr> I'm ona laptop nd ubunutu is using older video drivers, I'm tryin to change it
[09:36] <allistairr> is tere an easy way
[09:37] <liable> allistairr: whats the card? how do you know its using older drivers? gnome tell you?
[09:37] <allistairr> neomagic... read it on he forums...
[09:38] <allistairr> I have the driver an such... just wanna change t
[09:38] <liable> allistairr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:40] <allistairr> thanks
[09:40] <dabaSlon> is it dpkg -i to undeb a .deb?
[09:41] <eyequeue> no, that is to --install
[09:42] <eyequeue> ar -x foo.deb, iirc
[09:43] <eyequeue> ar (1)               - create, modify, and extract from archives
[09:43] <`anthony> so I have an /etc/network/if-up.d script that checks my resolv.conf and patches the search path to deal with some local stuff. Something Else then rewrites the file within a matter of minutes to remove the entries. Does anyone have any ideas what it is that's doing that, and how I can stop it?
[09:44] <dabaSlon> anyone have an idea how you would 2. add capi to /etc/modules  ?
[09:44] <dabaSlon> THanks, I wanna install, thanks.
[09:45] <eyequeue> np
[09:46] <Shufla> hello. i'm trying to install ubuntu in uml. i've created files for root and swap, i've mounted ubuntu .iso in /mnt/u my uml command is:
[09:46] <Shufla> linux udb0=/mnt/u/install/vmlinuz udb1=debian udb2=swapfs
[09:46] <Shufla> with last line:
[09:46] <Shufla> Kernel panic: outer trampoline didn't exit with SIGKILL
[09:46] <Shufla> (I'm UML-starter)
[09:51] <Kraln> Hmm
[09:52] <fhalif> whats the best way to transfer files between linux computers?
[09:52] <eyequeue> usage: scp [-1246BCpqrv]  [-c cipher]  [-F ssh_config]  [-i identity_file] 
[09:52] <eyequeue>            [-l limit]  [-o ssh_option]  [-P port]  [-S program] 
[09:52] <eyequeue>            [[user@] host1:] file1 [...]  [[user@] host2:] file2
[09:52] <eyequeue> oops
[09:53] <Shufla> fhalif: rscync+ssh, nfs, ftp, http - it depends.
[09:53] <`anthony> Oh joy. It's dhclient-script. For some reason, this gets re-run once a minute to make the resolv.conf like it expects it to be.
[09:54] <Myrtti> /me jumps up and down on pmount and gnome-volume-manager
[09:56] <Seveas> what's ip with freenode??
[09:56] <Seveas> up*
[09:56] <Myrtti> I just can't understand what has broken down, this darn thing doesn't know how to automount anymore
[09:57] <Seveas> Myrtti, you are not using breezy i hope
[09:57] <Myrtti> Seveas: nope
[09:57] <dabaSlon> Seveas: keep up the *good* fight:-p
[09:58] <neighborlee> could someone ( not nvidia package from apt ) whom has compiled nvidia driver please run 'glxinfo' and tell me if it runs or segfaults...?
[09:59] <Shufla> Seveas: i've got good coffe :D
[09:59] <Seveas> there is a coffee machine here that actually brews good stuff :)
[10:00] <Shufla> is user mode linux 2.6 uncompatibile?
[10:00] <Shufla> aaahhh. i have to have my own coffe at work
[10:00] <Myrtti> I have blue mold cheese, pepperoni and green tea with mint
[10:00] <Myrtti> healthy brunch
[10:01] <Shufla> bleh. green tea with mint? ugh :(
[10:01] <nevyn> are the restricted modules on the hoary cd?
[10:01] <Shufla> i prefer mint falvoured cigarretes
[10:01] <Shufla> s/(rr)(t)/(r)(tt)
[10:01] <johnnybezak> hey guys
[10:01] <Myrtti> cigarettes? ugh :-(
[10:02] <StarMikeSE> Smoke kills you! I stoped smoking when I was 14
[10:02] <Shufla> i started smoking when i was 24 :D
[10:02] <StarMikeSE> I began smoking when I was 12
[10:03] <StarMikeSE> By the way..How do I change permissions to a mounted harddrive?
[10:04] <Shufla> StarMikeSE: mount arg umask=
[10:04] <Shufla> StarMikeSE: afair depends on fs type
[10:04] <StarMikeSE> fat32
[10:05] <Shufla> StarMikeSE: man mount search for vfat
[10:05] <StarMikeSE> the device is named hda5
[10:05] <Shufla> btw cigarettes, now i'm more addictited to salsa :D that's insane
[10:06] <Jimmothy> anyone know of a good ubuntu rss reader?
[10:06] <Shufla> StarMikeSE: try: mount -t vfat -o umask=000 /dev/hd5 /target , but check man page
[10:07] <Shufla> Jimmothy: apt-cache search rss reader and plugins for ffox
[10:07] <Shufla> StarMikeSE: umask=000 will make all files ugo=rwxrwxrwx
[10:08] <Myrtti> I've never tried smoking
[10:08] <Shufla> Myrtti: do not try to :D
[10:08] <Myrtti> I'm too old to try
[10:08] <StarMikeSE> Shufla, It stands rw,user, auto
[10:09] <Shufla> StarMikeSE: huh. so what's the problem?
[10:09] <StarMikeSE> Shufla, I opened the fstab.. I can't move files from CD-Rom to the unit :( It stands I have no permission
[10:10] <Shufla> StarMikeSE: one moment. i'll check it. paste me on priv full line from fstab
[10:10] <Shufla> StarMikeSE: no dcc.
[10:11] <Myrtti> what's the difference between fstab and mtab?
[10:11] <StarMikeSE> Shufla, Please offer me a private chat instead, please
[10:11] <Shufla> Myrtti: hm. mtab is contains already mounted filesystems, fstab is configuration for auto/manual mounting fs
[10:11] <Shufla> StarMikeSE: use /query or /msg
[10:12] <Myrtti> I my system cannot automount my USB memory stick anymore
[10:12] <ivoks> hi
[10:12] <dabaSlon> hey
[10:12] <dabaSlon> rizla iz here.
[10:12] <dabaSlon> awesome!!
[10:12] <dabaSlon> :-pivoks
[10:13] <StarMikeSE> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[10:13] <StarMikeSE> /dev/hda2       /               ext2    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[10:13] <StarMikeSE> /dev/hda3       /home           ext2    defaults        0       2
[10:13] <StarMikeSE> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[10:13] <StarMikeSE> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[10:13] <StarMikeSE> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[10:13] <StarMikeSE> /dev/hda5	/media/msdos	msdos	rw,user,auto	0	0
[10:13] <dabaSlon> yaya
[10:13] <Mista_Bone> you should take that to a pm
[10:13] <Myrtti> and when I mount it, I do it as root and then I can't do anything with it since it has root permissions and I don't
[10:13] <dabaSlon> paste
[10:13] <Myrtti> hm
[10:14] <dabaSlon> StarMikeSE: did you ever hear of http://pastebin.com ? Its totally cool.
[10:14] <StarMikeSE> dabaSlon, nope...
[10:15] <Myrtti> /me notes how irony is wasted
[10:16] <StarMikeSE> Please, someone how can help me with permission problems?
[10:17] <Sturmflut> Hi, I'm trying to install KDevelop on Hoary but can't find it in the repository
[10:17] <Kraln> Hmm, having problems getting fglrx to work properly =/
[10:19] <lapo> hi there
[10:19] <Aronofsky> hi
[10:21] <Aronofsky> i just discovered ubuntu, can you explain me the main advantage in comparison with linux, i read about frequent release but i don't really get the point of that as far as you can update your debian system from the web ... ?
[10:21] <Aronofsky> in comparison with debian sorry
[10:22] <Myrtti> Aronofsky: to say it cruelly and in a way that makes most Ubuntu and Debian devs grind their teeth: Ubuntu == Debian, except that Ubuntu has better hardware detection and is better suited for desktop use as Debian is for servers
[10:23] <Sturmflut> does anybody know which package contains kdevelop on Hoary?
[10:23] <goofrider> Myrtti, Ubuntu = Debian with a Fedora model??
[10:24] <Aronofsky> Myrtti, in what ubuntu is better suited for desktop use as Debian is for servers
[10:24] <Aronofsky> goofrider, what do you mean :  Debian with a Fedora model ?
[10:25] <pinko> ahoyhoy
[10:25] <goofrider> Aronofsky, 6 months release cycle, desktop focus, strong community, coporate sonpored
[10:25] <Sturmflut> goofrider: Ubuntu features X.Org (vs. XFree on Debian), mplayer, KDE 3.4 etc.
[10:25] <Sturmflut> And it doesn't take 3 years to get a new stable version out
[10:26] <pinko> sturmflut: I did not know that.
[10:26] <pinko> important distinction, though.
[10:26] <goofrider> Aronofsky, Ubuntu is suitable for server as well
[10:26] <Aronofsky> Sturmflut, but is it possible , as debian, to upgrade version integrally from web update ?
[10:27] <goofrider> Aronofsky, of course
[10:27] <Sturmflut> Aronofsky: sure. Ubuntu uses apt, just like Debian
[10:27] <Myrtti> Ubuntu can even use Debian packages, though one has to be very careful when doing that
[10:28] <pinko> and they tell me the reverse is also true...
[10:28] <Burgundavia> pinko, mostly yes.
[10:29] <Kraln> my gl is still using mesa, and not real gl
[10:29] <hayden> what can one serve on a server?
[10:29] <Burgundavia> Ubuntu is building with newer gcc and python
[10:29] <Kraln> how do I fix that?
[10:29] <goofrider> pinko, Aronofsky Debian runs on 11 CPU arch (if that's important to u)
[10:29] <misieq> anyone know how to install mplayer on ubuntu?
[10:30] <trondd> misieq: sudo apt-get install mplayer
[10:30] <goofrider> misieq, did u read ubuntguide.org?
[10:30] <goofrider> ubuntuguide.org
[10:31] <pinko> well I've been learning linux all quarter, from a libranet install on my desktop,
[10:31] <Kraln> I'll be back...
[10:31] <pinko> and an ubuntu on my laptop
[10:31] <hayden> what can one serve on a server?
[10:31] <pinko> I don't have any biases or anything to rave about.
[10:32] <trondd> hayden: whatever you want...
[10:32] <misieq> apt-get says i have to choose mplayer-custom, mplayer-nogui, -k7, -586, -386. providing i have athlon xp which shoul i choose?
[10:32] <fakeh> lo
[10:32] <goofrider> hayden, files, web sites, music, video.. it depends on what server software you have installed
[10:32] <pinko> libranet is quite useful for giving me at least ten window managers to screw with.
[10:32] <thenuke> hayden: shells..
[10:32] <misieq> s/-k7/k6
[10:32] <dabaSlon> benplaut: heh
[10:32] <dabaSlon> night
[10:32] <goofrider> k7
[10:32] <goofrider> athlon is k7
[10:33] <trondd> pinko: so does ubuntu
[10:33] <misieq> there is k6 not k7
[10:33] <goofrider> use 686, then 586
[10:33] <philc1> how do I automatically make all of the symlinks  in /boot when installing a manual kernel?
[10:33] <goofrider> misieq, I know there isn't a 686 package either but I'm just telling u know for future references
[10:34] <misieq> ok
[10:34] <pinko> what, comes with at least ten window manager?  not that installed automatically.
[10:34] <goofrider> philc1, did u build your kernel from Ubuntu source? and use make-kpkg?
[10:34] <pinko> I was kind of annoyed that it didn't ask for very much input before installing.  but that's good for some people
[10:34] <trondd> pinko: no, but you can so "sudo apt-get install windowmaker fluxbox blackbox etc..."
[10:35] <goofrider> goofrider, if u use make-kpkg to build your kernel, all of that would have been done for u
[10:35] <goofrider> I meant philc1
[10:35] <pinko> yes yes.  but apt-get was something I figured out after the figuring out of comparative window managers
[10:36] <misieq> goofrider, apt says it has denedecies which cannot be erm.. fullfilled
[10:36] <pinko> it was very useful to have them right away.
[10:36] <dabaSlon> yeah, to choose.
[10:36] <goofrider> misieq, did u read ubuntuguide.org?
[10:36] <Kraln> I'm having problems getting 3d acceleration to work
[10:36] <dabaSlon> but, is it on 1 cd all?
[10:36] <misieq> nope
[10:36] <pinko> eh, close enough
[10:37] <goofrider> misieq, follow the instruction to add Marillat (as universe as well if u haven't) to your sources.list. Only add Marillat testing though, don't add stable and unstable
[10:37] <misieq> i added some marillat but don't remember which one
[10:38] <dabaSlon_slp> it is shown.
[10:38] <pinko> the libranet forums, in an effort to distinguish themselves in any way possible, swear by their adminmenu tool
[10:38] <dabaSlon_slp> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:38] <pinko> which, to be honest, I don't use.
[10:38] <trondd> pinko: ubunut defaults to gnome, and it wouldn't be very nice to potential new users to force them to chose a wm during the install, the would be *very* confused...
[10:39] <pinko> Yes, you may have a point.  I knew about window managers before installing ubuntu.
[10:39] <pinko> So, I knew what to do.
[10:39] <pinko> and some, do not.
[10:39] <dabaSlon_slp> but, not ask, just install, is ok, but whatever...
[10:39] <pinko> When I was first asked, during a red hat 6.1 install, to pick "KDE" or "Gnome", I went mad
[10:39] <pinko> I had no idea.
[10:39] <dabaSlon_slp> haha, thats a bad q...n\for an install.
[10:40] <misieq> goofrider, thanks, after i removed stable and unstable i could apt-get install mplayer-custom.
[10:40] <phend> hi all, i have a question on grep for you all :)
[10:40] <trondd> pinko: yeah, me to :)
[10:40] <dabaSlon_slp> phend, man grep if noone knows.
[10:40] <thenuke> pinko: haha, I had exactly the same scenario =)
[10:40] <phend> dabaSlon_slp, np
[10:40] <goofrider> phend, a question that man grep didn't answer ? ;)
[10:40] <pinko> I'm in a class, too.  so I should really know grep by now.
[10:41] <phend> goofrider, well i've read the manpage and found the answer to one or two things, but there's a bigger problem i cant find
[10:41] <pinko> ask
[10:41] <Kraln> wow
[10:41] <Kraln> linux picked up my noname usb audio device
[10:41] <Kraln> that's a first
[10:41] <phend> i'm trying to find a string in a certain .py file (dont know which one), and i dont know the directory either. so i need to recursively check each py file for this string, in 4 or 5 dirs
[10:41] <goofrider> yeah regex is pretty initmidating, I can't say I'm any good at all
[10:42] <trondd> grep -R
[10:42] <trondd> grep -R string *.py
[10:43] <misieq> trondd, will it show the name of file when it finds the string??
[10:43] <goofrider> cheers
[10:43] <goofrider> hmm... true
[10:43] <phend> trondd, i just get no such file or directory, so i guess i need to go into each directory to run that
[10:43] <phend> misieq, add -l to return the file name
[10:44] <trondd> the filename is returned by default
[10:45] <trondd> phend: use this grep -R string /path/to/python/file
[10:45] <goofrider> phend, i went to /usr/lib/Python.24 and tried it, it works fin
[10:45] <goofrider> gine
[10:45] <goofrider> fine  :P
[10:46] <phend> yeah i get that, but what if i dont know the path? there's lots of directories to go though
[10:47] <trondd> phend: no, -R is recursive
[10:47] <trondd> phend: I assume you know the path where you start looking
[10:48] <trondd> and that it is somewhere in a subdir...
[10:49] <phend> trondd, i see. :) done and done
[10:51] <goofrider> I wonder who the other 460 users in this channel are
[10:51] <Bazzi> some random users
[10:52] <Telep> goofrider: amongst others, me :)
[10:52] <goofrider> heh. greetings
[10:53] <Telep> yup, greetings from Finland
[10:54] <goofrider> u mean Nokialand?
[10:54] <tiggggr> goofrider, nokia, linux, sauna and santa claus :)
[10:54] <goofrider> u guys r neighbors
[10:54] <Telep> goofrider: well I wouldn't call it that :)
[10:55] <Telep> Nokia is 80% owned by Americans anyway ;)
[10:55] <Telep> (as far as I know)
[10:55] <goofrider> yes, rich white americans
[10:55] <pinko> trondd: I don't see any -R option for grep
[10:56] <Telep> but I live next to Nokia, actually. The town called Nokia that is.
[10:56] <ivoks> nokia did a lot for that place
[10:56] <ivoks> now u have car tiers
[10:56] <goofrider> pinko, it's there. try it. :)  grep's manpage isn't all that gr8
[10:56] <ivoks> from same city :)
[10:56] <trondd> pinko: take a closer look at man grep
[10:57] <pinko> we could be using completely different greps though.
[10:57] <goofrider> try `info grep` as well
[10:57] <Telep> ivoks: yes, Nokia (the company) moved out ages ago though, their hq is near Helsinki
[10:57] <goofrider> pinko, different grep, what u use BSD?
[10:57] <ivoks> Telep that's normal
[10:58] <ivoks> Telep but i don't think factorys are in helsinki :)
[10:58] <pinko> GNU grep, 2.4.2
[10:58] <Telep> ivoks: nope
[10:58] <goofrider> pinko,  -R works the same well on many cmds: ls, rm, cp, etc
[10:58] <goofrider> the same way***
[10:59] <pinko> it'd no big deal, it was someone else having the grep woes.
[11:00] <shinu> is there a tutorial on the site on how to install a ssh server ?
[11:00] <shinu> i cant seem to find it
[11:00] <pinko> for the record, I have ubuntu on the laptop, which I never seem to open at home, even if it IS a bit faster.
[11:00] <goofrider> shinu, apt-get install openssh-server I think
[11:01] <shinu> goofrider: are there any tuts for configuration and stuff?
[11:01] <goofrider> shinu, just look under /usr/share/doc/ssh
[11:01] <goofrider> shinu, or go to openssh.org  they have tutorials there
[11:01] <shinu> goofrider: ok thanks
[11:01] <shinu> ok
[11:02] <goofrider> shinu, make sure u disable root login  :)
[11:02] <philc1> goofrider: I built from vanilla sources off of kernel.org, as I didn't want the various ubuntu patches
[11:02] <philc1> goofrider: so I don't think I can use make-kpg
[11:02] <Sturmflut> hm Hoary also doesn't have a package for Psi
[11:02] <shinu> goofrider: ok :D thanks a lot
[11:02] <goofrider> philc1, don't use pristine canilla soruce, get ubuntu's source
[11:02] <Sturmflut> shinu: apt-get install ssh should do the job.
[11:03] <goofrider> philc1, oh u didn't want the patches? OK then. I hope u know whacha doing though
[11:03] <shinu> Sturmflut: i already did that xD i need some tutorials on configuration
[11:03] <Sturmflut> SSH usually doesn't need any further configuration besides of maybe "Protocol 2" instead of "Protocol 1,2"
[11:04] <MattFlet> yay! hoary discs arrived this morning!
[11:04] <goofrider> shinu, yeah, it should Just Works (tm).
[11:04] <pinko> I don't like the name "hoary hedgehog" very much.
[11:05] <pinko> it's too close to being a Ron Jeremy reference.
[11:05] <shinu> alright...
[11:05] <MattFlet> i wish funds were available to do kubuntu discs via shipit
[11:06] <goofrider> hello Amaranth
[11:07] <shinu> goofrider: how do i disable this root login? :D
[11:07] <goofrider> shinu, RTFM  :)
[11:08] <Sturmflut> shinu: PermitRootLogin no
[11:08] <Sturmflut> and don't forget to restart
[11:09] <shinu> goofrider: alright :D
[11:09] <goofrider> shinu, well u got them anyways  LOL
[11:09] <shinu> :D
[11:09] <goofrider> shinu, don't be afraid to try things. It's usually easier than u think
[11:09] <shinu> goofrider: um... man ssh right?...
[11:09] <trondd> Sturmflut: you mean restart sshd...
[11:10] <goofrider> man sshd
[11:10] <shinu> alright...
[11:11] <goofrider> and /etc/ssh/sshd_config should be well commented as well
[11:11] <shinu> ok thanks
[11:11] <sobersabre> hi people.
[11:12] <trondd> hello!
[11:12] <sobersabre> which means to setup autoinstall do we have in ubuntu ?
[11:12] <goofrider> shinu, and there are a number of tutorials @ openssh.org  I think u'll manage  :)
[11:12] <shinu> goofrider: ok great! :)
[11:12] <sobersabre> i mean via network - bootp
[11:12] <sobersabre> or similar
[11:12] <goofrider> shinu, but if u run into trouble, don't afraid to ask
[11:12] <shinu> okok thanks a lot :D
[11:13] <philc1> goofrider: I built from vanilla sources off of kernel.org, as I didn't want the various ubuntu patches
[11:13] <philc1> goofrider: so I don't think I can use make-kpg
[11:13] <goofrider> sobersabre, u mean like a kickstart script?
[11:13] <philc1> goofrider: sorry, double post
[11:13] <philc1> (my internet is shakey)
[11:13] <goofrider> philc1, no u won't be able to use make-kpkg, but making your own symlinks shouldn't be a problem
[11:13] <sobersabre> some means to boot computer frmo network, at most with a floppy, and it will make the system to be setup.
[11:13] <sobersabre> s/frmo/from/
[11:14] <Sturmflut> trondd: why should you restart a Linux system except for a kernel Update ;)
[11:14] <Zindar> you can use make-kpkg with the vanilla kernel
[11:14] <Zindar> just find
[11:14] <Zindar> fine
[11:15] <Zindar> I've used that alot
[11:15] <Zindar> under debian..
[11:15] <goofrider> Zindar, how?
[11:15] <Zindar> the same way as usuall
[11:15] <Zindar> unpack source...
[11:15] <goofrider> Zindar, oh i didn't know that
[11:15] <trondd> Sturmflut: thats what I thought to :)
[11:15] <Zindar> run make-kpkg --revision whatever kernel-image
[11:15] <Zindar> for example
[11:15] <goofrider> sweet
[11:17] <sobersabre> there was a thing named FAI ... is it working well with Ubuntu ?
[11:17] <sobersabre> "fully automatic installation" ..
[11:17] <kev0r> Any Maple guru's here?
[11:18] <goofrider> sobersabre, never tried it, but thanks for the tips  :)
[11:18] <sobersabre> kev0r, what do you mean guru ?!
[11:18] <sobersabre> what is the question ?
[11:18] <Zindar> sobersabre: It should work... but ubuntu has kickstart support as well
[11:18] <sobersabre> afair, maple is a very staightforward app.
[11:19] <sobersabre> Zindar, can you explain me a diff between the 2 ? i know fai comes from debian... this gives it extra points. and kickstart needs a boot floppy... right ?
[11:19] <sobersabre> besides, no offense, but kickstart comes from RH...
[11:20] <count0nz> Rembers kickstart from The Amiga :)
[11:20] <goofrider> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KickstartCompatibility
[11:21] <count0nz> sorry had to say it :P
[11:21] <goofrider> count0nz, u just dated yourself
[11:22] <count0nz> We do have Ice cream tho :)
[11:24] <goofrider> what apps?
[11:26] <AnguS__> freenode sucks :(
[11:27] <goofrider> ?? ?     ?                      ?
[11:27] <mjr> sure it will
[11:28] <hayden> how do i use crypt() to create a hash?
[11:28] <mjr> hell, it'll happily load X and gnome with 48 megs, only rather slowly ;)
[11:28] <count0nz> Stuff like xawtv, xawdecode + xawdecode-plugins (for decodeing tv), xdtv
[11:28] <goofrider> mjr, oh that's painful
[11:28] <count0nz> xawtv is there allready tho
[11:29] <goofrider> count0nz, never heard of any of them
[11:29] <goldfish> YOU VUNT "?!"?!"%$?"^>?
[11:29] <count0nz> well it will be on a Thin Client the so all it is is a Xserver :)
[11:29] <mjr> count0nz, I'd guess that those would run, with a light wm, fine, if the box has enough oomph to show the tv
[11:29] <mjr> count0nz, ahh, a 48 meg box will make a fine X terminal, of course :)
[11:30] <count0nz> mjr, yep whuldent try to run any thing on the box :) all on the X Client
[11:30] <AnguS__> ok, it seems that my connection is keeping stiff now... so sorry if i repeat again, but maybe you never got my question :P
[11:30] <AnguS__> i installed bopm via apt-get, configured it but doing /etc/init.d/bopm start nothing happens, it doesn't start, and there are no useful logs :( any ideas?
[11:31] <count0nz> will write up docs and add it to the Ubautau LTSP Wiki
[11:32] <goofrider> heheh Ubautau
[11:33] <kev0r> sobersabre: Need to find the minimal value of this function: H(exp(I*Omega))
[11:33] <kev0r> H := Func((1+a*z^2-a*b)/(z^2-b),z);
[11:34] <kev0r> for what Omega the H is minimal
[11:35] <_luke> Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)  <--- anyone know what this error means and how I can get gl-117 to work again?
[11:40] <shinu> why dont i have sshd-config?
[11:41] <linux_mafia> shinu, probably because the ssh daemon is not installed
[11:41] <linux_mafia> by default in ubuntu
[11:41] <shinu> linux_mafia: i just did apt-get install ssh
[11:41] <shinu> and sshd is there
[11:41] <linux_mafia> oh
[11:42] <linux_mafia> do a dpkg -L ssh |grep sshd and look manually, maybe in a non normal place or some such
[11:43] <shinu> er... its not there then... 0.o
[11:43] <Drako60> i almost have samba setup
[11:43] <linux_mafia> shinu, not in /etc/ssh
[11:43] <linux_mafia> ?
[11:43] <shinu> linux_mafia: nothing appeared 0.o
[11:44] <Drako60> how can i setup samba to use a printer connected to a windows machine?
[11:44] <Gog> anyone know how to hide certain windows from the gnome windowlist panel?
[11:44] <shinu> linux_mafia: but i do have a sshd command...
[11:44] <FreezerX> How about updating ubuntu from a debian mirror? Will I get troubles with the package?
[11:44] <trondd> kev0r: |H| = 1 for all \omega
[11:46] <Drako60> if i can get Ubuntu access to the windows printer everything will be perfect
[11:47] <linux_mafia> shinu, apt-get install openssh-server
[11:47] <shinu> linux_mafia: i think i did that too a while ago...
[11:47] <shinu> linux_mafia: openssh-server is already the newest version.
[11:48] <linux_mafia> shinu, dunno then, check this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto
[11:48] <Sturmflut> Drako60: you print via CUPS, not via SAMBA. CUPS is able to print via SMB
[11:48] <shinu> im there already xD
[11:48] <shinu> linux_mafia: im there already xD
[11:48] <Sturmflut> Drako60: If you use KDE you can simply use KDEPrint to configure it
[11:49] <linux_mafia> heh
[11:49] <gma> what's the most user friendly way of playing real audio files on hoary?
[11:49] <gma> I'm setting it up for the ageing parent
[11:49] <linux_mafia> Sturmflut, which is pretty unlikely, unless he uses kubuntu
[11:50] <linux_mafia> gma, with realplayer
[11:50] <Sturmflut> linux_mafia: thats why I put the "If" there
[11:50] <gma> linux_mafia, do you know how it compares to helix-player and totem?
[11:50] <Drako60> Sturmflut, no i'm using gnome
[11:50] <gma> I can't get totem to work...
[11:50] <munki> gma , real player is _the_ play for real audio files ..
[11:51] <Sturmflut> Drako60: Okay then you'll probably have to configure it via the web interface on http://localhost:631
[11:51] <munki> gma , that's why it is called real player ;)
[11:51] <linux_mafia> gma, well its the real thing, so of course its far better
[11:51] <gma> of course it's better? on what basis?
[11:51] <linux_mafia> cups web interface is disabled in ubuntu
[11:51] <gma> it's proprietary, for god's sake.
[11:51] <munki> gma , real audio is builed for real player ?
[11:51] <linux_mafia> gma, sorry, more codecs, so plays a wider range of media
[11:52] <gma> linux_mafia, ah, okay. that's a good reason. thanks.
[11:52] <the_berzerker> hey guys
[11:52] <the_berzerker> how can i remove some services (daemons) from the startup process?
[11:53] <linux_mafia> Drako60, gnome-cups-manager, or printers from the desktop menu
[11:53] <the_berzerker> for example i don't want to start cups
[11:53] <the_berzerker> or check with ntp.ubuntulinux.org
[11:53] <shinu> Sturmflut: do you happen to know why i dont have ssh-config? althought i apt-got what you told me to...
[11:54] <the_berzerker> ??
[11:54] <misieq> http://www.opensource.org/halloween/halloween2.html
[11:54] <shinu> the_berzerker: apt-get install sysv-rc-conf
[11:54] <linux_mafia> the_berzerker, apt-getting rcconf is probably the easiest way
[11:56] <liable> the_berzerker: or sysvconfig :)
[11:57] <linux_mafia> i wouldnt install sysv-rc-conf blindly before reading what it does, it changes the way your system boots
[11:57] <shinu> linux_mafia: really?... i didnt know that 0.o
[11:58] <the_berzerker> another problem tha i face is that after installing some programs from sources
[11:58] <linux_mafia> this looks like a decent app http://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubm.html
[11:58] <the_berzerker> i don;t know how to put them in the applications menu
[11:59] <Drako60> hmm wonder how to get OOo to recongnize the network printer
[11:59] <the_berzerker> is there a way to manualy remove daemons
[12:00] <the_berzerker> coz i can't apt-get sysv-rc-conf
[12:01] <liable> the_berzerker: try sysvconfig
[12:01] <linux_mafia> shinu, you may know that, but someone new to linux or ubuntu may not
[12:01] <liable> the_berzerker: or just remove the links from rc5.d or 3
[12:02] <shinu> linux_mafia: i just said i didnt know that :) and im pretty new to linux, especially ubuntu :)
[12:03] <the_berzerker> liable: how do i know which ones to remove
[12:03] <Drako60> i want to know what gnome-video-thumbnailer does
[12:03] <misieq> why people who deal with PCs often confuse Halloween with new years eve?
[12:03] <misieq> sorry, not new years eve, christmas
[12:04] <liable> the_berzerker: the ones that have names sounding ike the ones you dont want :)
[12:04] <liable> the_berzerker: what about sysvconfig?
[12:04] <Jimbob> Drako60: It creates the little "preview" icons of movie files (mpg, avi, wmv, etc.) that show up in the file manager.
[12:04] <misieq> because 25dec = 31oct :)
[12:04] <the_berzerker> liable: yeah i thought of that but there r some i don't know
[12:05] <Drako60> Jimbob, well i don't like it and i really wish it would stop
[12:05] <the_berzerker> liable: for example i don't want it to synchronize with ntp.ubuntu...
[12:05] <Jimbob> Drako60: Worried about people seeing your pr0n? :-)
[12:06] <liable> the_berzerker: for time?
[12:06] <Drako60> Jimbob, no it takes alot of cpu when there are three or four running at a time
[12:06] <the_berzerker> liable: yes when i'm not connected to the internet it spends about 30s checking for ntp.ubuntulinux.org
[12:07] <Jimbob> Drako60: You can disable it by opening Applications->System Tools->Configuration Editor, then navigating to "/desktop/gnome/thumbnailers", and unchecking the "enable" item for each of the "video@[...] " items.
[12:08] <herpes> the_berzerker, i think you can disable that quite easily, check the wiki and forums
[12:08] <liable> the_berzerker: ctrl-c it
[12:08] <Jimbob> Drako60: Alternatively, you can edit the command line and prefix "nice 19 " to it
[12:08] <liable> the_berzerker: or remove it
[12:09] <misieq> what does letters +tncP mean? these are from the caption of irc window
[12:09] <Jimbob> Drako60: e.g. "nice 19 /usr/bin/gnome-video-thumbnailer -s %s %u %o"
[12:10] <Drako60> whats the nice 19 do?
[12:10] <Jimbob> Drako60: Makes it run at priority 19
[12:10] <misieq> Drako60, it's the priority
[12:10] <misieq> it's the lowest one, right? -20 is the highest afaik
[12:10] <Jimbob> misieq: Yes
[12:11] <Jimbob> Drako60: Basically it means "give this program CPU time only when nothing else is using the CPU"
[12:11] <Jimbob> Drako60: The thumbnails will take longer to generate, but it won't slow your system down while they are.
[12:12] <Drako60> ok disabled
[12:12] <Drako60> i have no need for them
[12:12] <Drako60> now to figure out how to get Open Office to see the network printer
[12:13] <Drako60> all i have in the printer settings for OOo is generic
[12:14] <Jimbob> Drako60: Go to "Desktop->Administration->Printing" and add the printer there (I think the menu is called "Desktop" in stock ubuntu -- it's the third item on the top panel).
[12:14] <Drako60> it is there
[12:14] <Jimbob> Mmmm.
[12:14] <Drako60> i can do test print
[12:14] <cha> hi
[12:15] <Drako60> but it doesn't show in OOo
[12:15] <misieq> what irc clients so you use?
[12:16] <linux_mafia> bitchx!!!!
[12:16] <linux_mafia> well i use to
[12:16] <Kazuhiro> Hi all, any one got some recemendations for linux backups other than amanda to tape, pref with a nice gui?
[12:16] <Kazuhiro> for backing upto a tape drive..
[12:17] <misieq> Kazuhiro, erm... maybe konserve??
[12:17] <linux_mafia> Kazuhiro, backuppc, i havent used it, but it looks primo
[12:17] <Seveas> Kazuhiro, mondo/mindi seems to be used a lot too
[12:18] <Drako60> misieq, i use XChat, but there are sevral IRC clients depending on what you want
[12:19] <Seveas> xchat is nice
[12:19] <Seveas> irssi is used by most console people
[12:19] <Drako60> yeah i don't see ircII in use much
[12:20] <Seveas> lol :)
[12:20] <misieq> what does the 'fundraiser status' mean? i mean this logo, when you connect freenode
[12:20] <Seveas> i even saw some people using mirc+wine
[12:21] <herpes> is the version of firefox in the ubuntu repos equivalent to version 1.0.4?
[12:21] <Jerub> misieq: freenode is run by donations.
[12:21] <Seveas> herpes, yes
[12:21] <Drako60> Seveas, i would run sysreset+wine if i could figure out how to get wine running
[12:21] <Seveas> Drako60, sudo apt-get install wine && winecfg
[12:21] <herpes> so why not change the version number so it is possible to download extensions from mozilla? It is complaining that i need version 1.0.4
[12:21] <Seveas> (winecfg without sudo)
[12:22] <Drako60> won't work
[12:22] <Seveas> herpes, you know that mozilla can cheat about that...
[12:22] <Drako60> VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-5-amd64-k8 [x86_64/1.81GHz] 
[12:23] <herpes> Seveas, it can? can you point me in the right dirrection to do that please?
[12:25] <herpes> no matter found it.
[12:26] <Cam-> anyone know what the cupsys devel package is called?
[12:26] <lok> Drako60, sysreset it's mirc ?
[12:27] <Drako60> lok, yes its mirc with a file server
[12:27] <misieq> can i make a link to some file on web? i mean something like "ln -s bash.org.pl/text text" ??
[12:27] <lok> why do you need mirc ? xchat with a plugin can do the same thing ?
[12:27] <Cam-> no worries dont need it now neway
[12:27] <lok> -?
[12:27] <Seveas> Cam-, libcupsys2-dev
[12:27] <Drako60> yeah i know but i'm used to sysreset
[12:27] <Seveas> apt-cache search cupsys | grep -- '-dev'
[12:28] <Drako60> and sysreset has a few more scripts for it then XChat
[12:28] <Drako60> i need to get a 32bit chroot setup but last time i tried it it didn't work
[12:29] <Drako60> but i don't want wine just for irc
[12:30] <lok> Drako60, http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu#Building_a_clean_32bit_chroot_with_debbootstrap_on_AMD64
[12:30] <Drako60> i also want it for video editing, i've yet to come across a really good encoding program for linux
[12:31] <Drako60> ahh so thats what was missing from the other howto
[12:32] <misieq> can i make a link to some file on web? i mean something like "ln -s bash.org.pl/text text" ??
[12:32] <Kazuhiro> thanks Seveas, linux_mafia & misieq  for the package names
[12:32] <lok> I still don't uderstand why you don't want to use something else than this ... thing... ;p
[12:32] <misieq> Kazuhiro, you're welcome :)
[12:33] <Drako60> heh, tell me know good video editing program for linux lok and i won't need to
[12:34] <misieq__> testing bitchx
[12:34] <misieq__> can anyone write something with my login in his/her typo?
[12:34] <count0nz> misieq, hi ya
[12:34] <lok> Drako60, tanscode (an encoder from mplayer), avidemux for editing video
[12:35] <misieq> i'll write it myself, misieq__ :)
[12:35] <count0nz> misieq, :)
[12:35] <misieq__> allright... be right back in console with irssi :)
[12:35] <lok> misieq__, aaaaarg bitchX
[12:36] <Cam-> why is it when i try authenticate as root in cups on http://localhost:631 it gives me an authentication failure
[12:36] <Drako60> lok, avidemux cli or gui?
[12:36] <Cam-> even though i know the password is correct
[12:36] <Seveas> Cam-, have you enabled the root password then?
[12:36] <Cam-> i enabled it by doing a passwd root
[12:37] <misieq__> testing irssi
[12:37] <_BeOS_fast_OS_> misieq from PL ?
[12:37] <misieq> misieq__, hi :)
[12:37] <misieq> _BeOS_fast_OS_, yes
[12:37] <liable> misieq__: no your not online :)
[12:37] <misieq> _BeOS_fast_OS_, why?
[12:37] <misieq> liable, oh.... i had to misconfig something ;)
[12:37] <lok> Drako60, avidemux looks like virtualdub
[12:38] <liable> Drako60: have a look at doom9.org, very good video site, unfortunately not much linux though
[12:38] <lok> it's with a gui naturally for editing video it's usefull :p
[12:38] <misieq__> what's the difference between bitchx and irssi??
[12:38] <misieq__> i can't see any
[12:38] <lok> both of theme sux
[12:38] <lok> :)
[12:39] <liable> misieq__: bitchx has security probs
[12:39] <Cam-> i cant log in as my local user either
[12:39] <lok> bitchx is older than irssi
[12:39] <Drako60> i wouldn't mind a version of irssi that had tabs
[12:39] <lok> ?
[12:40] <liable> Drako60: ctrl n,p
[12:40] <misieq__> oh god... i think i'll have to read some irc faq... in order to get familiar with it's modes and such things. where can i get one?
[12:40] <Drako60> ctrl n,p is a pain
[12:40] <lok> so it's a l33t channel ?   :p
[12:40] <liable> 20:42 < lok> both of theme sux
[12:40] <lok> them*
[12:41] <linux_mafia> the leetest channel is "the hackers lounge" on yahoo chat
[12:41] <linux_mafia> the tag line is "where the 1337 meet"
[12:41] <misieq__> i have some info here : [misieq__(+i)]  [2:#ubuntu(+Pcnt)]  what does these letters mean
[12:41] <Drako60> misieq, if you want a gui irc client try xchat
[12:42] <misieq> yes, i do use this one when i'm typing here :)
[12:42] <liable> misieq__: /help umode
[12:42] <misieq> but just in case X would break down ;)
[12:42] <misieq> "/help umode": No such command.
[12:43] <liable> bah, mode
[12:44] <misieq> omg.. i have opened some window in irssi (it says [Act:1] ) and i don't know how to see it?
[12:44] <misieq> liable, " No help available on that command."
[12:44] <Drako60> ctrl+n or ctrl+p misieq
[12:44] <misieq__> Drako60: thanks :)
[12:45] <linux_mafia> there is a text version of xchat
[12:45] <liable> misieq__: what /help mode
[12:45] <misieq> so what about these letters?
[12:45] <liable> n and p?
[12:45] <lok> this is chan mode
[12:46] <misieq> "/help mode" No help available on that command.
[12:46] <Drako60> t is topic, p private?
[12:46] <trondd> Hi! Does anyone here know of at tool similar to astyle or tidy for css style sheets?
[12:46] <liable> misieq: in irsi or bitchx?
[12:46] <liable> irssi
[12:47] <misieq> in xchat
[12:47] <misieq> but there is in irssi
[12:47] <klaus^^^> hy all
[12:48] <Drako60> hmm i might have to compile avidemux from source bah hum bug oh well
[12:48] <klaus^^^> problem whan trinkg to enable dma
[12:49] <Drako60> i don't even want to think about DMA
[12:50] <klaus^^^> do you have any ideea
[12:50] <hans_> can u run Mac OS X 10.4 on a normal pc too?
[12:50] <klaus^^^> why i recive an eror
[12:50] <klaus^^^> even i i am root
[12:51] <liable> klaus^^^: whats the error
[12:51] <trondd> hans_: no
[12:52] <klaus^^^> oot@clausme:/usr/share/applications # hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd
[12:52] <klaus^^^> /dev/hdd:
[12:52] <klaus^^^>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[12:52] <klaus^^^>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[12:52] <klaus^^^>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[12:52] <klaus^^^> liable,
[12:53] <ivoks> klaus^^^ /dev/hda is CDROM?
[12:53] <liable> klaus^^^: does your hard drive support it?
[12:53] <klaus^^^> yes
[12:53] <klaus^^^> is the cd-rom
[12:53] <liable> oh
[12:53] <klaus^^^> i have sata 80gb segate
[12:53] <ivoks> klaus^^^ is you IDE driver compiled with "DMA only for discs" option?
[12:53] <floe> hi all
[12:53] <liable> hdd is cdrom?
[12:54] <klaus^^^> liable,  yes
[12:54] <klaus^^^> ivoks,  i have no ideea what are you talking about i am noob be more explicit
[12:55] <ivoks> klaus^^^ check out (and don't paste here):  grep DMA /boot/config-`uname -r`
[12:55] <floe> kdesu always fails with "conversation with su failed". Any idea what's wrong? Normal "su" in console works.
[12:55] <ivoks> klaus^^^ see if there is something like DMA_DISK_ONLY
[12:55] <Riddell> floe: what are you trying to run
[12:55] <ivoks> klaus^^^ CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK - this is what you are looking for
[12:55] <Riddell> floe: ah, kdesu is set to use sudo
[12:56] <klaus^^^> k
[12:56] <klaus^^^> i use pastebin
[12:56] <ivoks> klaus^^^ so do it like this
[12:56] <ivoks> klaus^^^ check out (and don't paste here):  grep IDEDMA_ONLYDISK /boot/config-`uname -r`
[12:56] <bob2> floe: try #kubuntu
[12:57] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/usr/share/applications # grep IDEDMA_ONLYDISK /boot/config-`uname -r`
[12:57] <klaus^^^> CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK=y
[12:57] <ivoks> there you go...
[12:57] <ivoks> you ide driver is DMA ready only for discs, not cdroms
[12:57] <klaus^^^> what i must do
[12:57] <klaus^^^> ?
[12:57] <ivoks> klaus^^^ recompile it? :) but... don't do that
[12:57] <klaus^^^> why
[12:58] <ivoks> it isn't an easy thing to do
[12:58] <ivoks> and could make your linux unusable
[12:58] <klaus^^^> dma isn't enabled
[12:58] <klaus^^^> on my har drive to
[12:58] <klaus^^^> can't enable it
[12:58] <ivoks> klaus^^^ I'm sure it is
[12:58] <bob2> then your problem isn't with that config item
[12:58] <klaus^^^> give me the comand to show you
[12:58] <bob2> perhaps your ide chipset is so buggy the kernel has blacklisted it
[12:59] <ivoks> hdparm /dev/hda | grep dma
[12:59] <Drako60> klaus^^^, do you have IDE Primary DMA set to auto in your bios?
[12:59] <ivoks> or whatever your hard drive is.. hdb hdc ...
[12:59] <klaus^^^> sda
[12:59] <ivoks> could be bios issue too
[12:59] <klaus^^^> is my har disk
[12:59] <ivoks> sda?
[12:59] <ivoks> lol
[12:59] <klaus^^^> i have sata
[01:00] <bob2> it's presumably sata
[01:00] <klaus^^^> i have sata
[01:00] <Drako60> do you even need DMA on a sata drive?
[01:00] <klaus^^^> yes
[01:00] <ivoks> i don't think you can even use sata wihtout DMA
[01:00] <klaus^^^> it copys with only 2Mb/s
[01:00] <bob2> some drives and chipsets are broken
[01:00] <ivoks> it comes by default :)
[01:00] <bob2> and the kernel blacklists them to avoid damage
[01:00] <klaus^^^> betwen 2 hard drives
[01:00] <liable> sata? we talking about cdrom?
[01:00] <Choubaka> no.
[01:00] <klaus^^^> i need
[01:01] <klaus^^^> to enable it on cd-rom
[01:01] <klaus^^^> leave the hdd alone
[01:01] <ivoks> klaus^^^ is your other drive SATA too or IDE?
[01:01] <Choubaka> hmm
[01:01] <Drako60> your cdrom should be hda so just use that
[01:01] <klaus^^^> no linux ubuntu is intaled on sata 90 gb seagate
[01:01] <Drako60> err i think
[01:01] <klaus^^^> i don't other harddrive
[01:01] <ivoks> ?
 betwen 2 hard drives
[01:02] <Drako60> ivoks, he wants DMA on his CD Rom
[01:02] <klaus^^^> i put an hard drive in ti some time ago and tried to copy somthing
[01:02] <ivoks> klaus^^^ was it IDE or SATA?
[01:02] <klaus^^^> yes i whant dma on mu cd-rom
[01:02] <klaus^^^> ide
[01:02] <ivoks> klaus^^^ are you sure u don't have misconfigured BIOS?!
[01:02] <klaus^^^> what i have to put in bios
[01:02] <klaus^^^> ?
[01:03] <ivoks> DMA mode, not PIO
[01:03] <klaus^^^> in windows works great
[01:03] <ivoks> and what ide controler do you have?
[01:03] <Drako60> i had to turn DMA off in my Bios to get DMA to work
[01:03] <klaus^^^> scsi
[01:03] <ivoks> ?
[01:04] <ivoks> IDE kontroler
[01:04] <klaus^^^> on sata linux thinsk is scsi
[01:04] <ivoks> uh...
[01:04] <klaus^^^> what is that ide controler
[01:04] <ivoks> lspci | grep IDE
[01:04] <klaus^^^> english not my native language
[01:04] <ivoks> SCSI is interface. IDE is interface. SATA is interface.
[01:04] <klaus^^^> 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) Ultra ATA 100 Storage Controller (rev 02)
[01:04] <klaus^^^> 0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB (ICH5) Serial ATA 150 Storage Controller (rev 02)
[01:04] <ivoks> controllers are devices that control that interface
[01:04] <klaus^^^> look
[01:05] <ivoks> so.. u have Intel IDE
[01:05] <klaus^^^> yes
[01:05] <ivoks> that works like a baby on Linux
[01:05] <klaus^^^> runing p4 2.8ghz prescot
[01:05] <ivoks> i have that same IDE controler
[01:05] <klaus^^^> then what is the problem
[01:05] <ivoks> BIOS
[01:05] <klaus^^^> why he isn't alowning me to activate dma
[01:05] <klaus^^^> what i must do with bios
[01:06] <klaus^^^> i have p4 p800 x series
[01:06] <ivoks> check out how IDE interfaces are set up
[01:06] <ivoks> maybe they are in PIO mode
[01:06] <klaus^^^> in bios where i can find those options never sow them before
[01:07] <ivoks> you will have to search by your self
[01:07] <klaus^^^> i am rebotinf i will be back
[01:07] <klaus^^^> until then
[01:07] <klaus^^^> think how do i enable
[01:07] <klaus^^^> dma on my cd-rom
[01:07] <ivoks> lol
[01:07] <ivoks> what do you think who we are?
[01:07] <ivoks> :))
[01:07] <klaus^^^> you are linux masters
[01:07] <klaus^^^> i am noob
[01:07] <floe> Riddel: So what now? Do I have to put the user in the sudoers file? Why do I have to give the root password anyway. That doesn't make sence to me.
[01:08] <ivoks> floe what are you trying?
[01:08] <ivoks> floe remove password question?
[01:09] <floe> ivoks: I try to run apps as root (synaptik, kynaptic, kuser, etc.) ;)
[01:09] <ivoks> floe and? it doesn't allow you or what?
[01:12] <klaus^^^> ivoks,  hdd wa on ultradm-5
[01:12] <klaus^^^> cd-rom was on ultra dma 2
[01:12] <klaus^^^> pio was 4 i set it to 0
[01:13] <ivoks> sudo hdparm -i /dev/hda | grep DMA
[01:14] <ivoks> make that sudo hdparm -i /dev/hdd | grep DMA
[01:14] <ivoks> klaus^^^ does it have * anywhere?
[01:14] <misieq> how can i change nick?
[01:14] <liable> misieq: /nick new-nick
[01:14] <newnick> eeh
[01:15] <liable> idiot :)
[01:15] <Choubaka> /nick newnick
[01:15] <Choubaka> :D
[01:15] <Choubaka> I forgot the space from between / and /nick
[01:15] <misieq_testing> how can i write "/nick" ??
[01:15] <misieq_testing> \/nick
[01:15] <Choubaka> write / /command
[01:15] <misieq_testing> ./nick
[01:15] <misieq_testing> /nick
[01:15] <liable> or //
[01:15] <Choubaka> no
[01:15] <Choubaka> that doesn't work.
[01:15] <misieq_testing> oh... it works :) thanks
[01:17] <Drako60> choubaka thats not a very nice thing to think about yourself
[01:17] <klaus^^^> ivoks,
[01:17] <Choubaka> Drako60: :P
[01:17] <klaus^^^> oot@clausme:/home/clausme # hdparm -i /dev/hdd | grep DMA
[01:17] <klaus^^^>  IORDY=yes, tPIO={min:227,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
[01:17] <klaus^^^>  DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
[01:17] <klaus^^^>  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2
[01:17] <ivoks> klaus^^^ you see... it works on udma2
[01:17] <Choubaka> when I picked this nick "baka" was about the only word I knew in Japanese. :D
[01:17] <floe> ivoks: Right, kdesus's dialog prints "conversation with su failed"... If I start synaptic as root from console (after su) it works.
[01:18] <Choubaka> you should use sudo, not su
[01:18] <ivoks> floe use sudo
[01:18] <ivoks> not su
[01:18] <klaus^^^> i will
[01:18] <klaus^^^> start nero linux
[01:18] <klaus^^^> if he deetecs that is on dma ok
[01:18] <ivoks> nero linux?
[01:18] <ivoks> omg...
[01:18] <Drako60> heh, i know what it all means
[01:18] <ivoks> man, go with windows...
[01:19] <Choubaka> duh.
[01:19] <klaus^^^> why
[01:19] <ivoks> linux isn't free windows
[01:19] <Choubaka> ivoks: if that's all you can say, don't speak
[01:19] <ptlo> nautilus cd burner is nice, imho (or k3b if you're kde guy)
[01:19] <Choubaka> If someone wants to use Nero Linux, they can.
[01:19] <Choubaka> It's wonderful that they can.
[01:19] <klaus^^^> i need to bunr na image
[01:20] <klaus^^^> nero linux isn't free
[01:20] <klaus^^^> ?
[01:20] <Choubaka> correct.
[01:20] <klaus^^^> i have downloadet it
[01:20] <Choubaka> you need a licence iirc.
[01:20] <klaus^^^> free from a web page
[01:20] <ivoks> costless
[01:20] <ivoks> not free
[01:20] <klaus^^^> how do i suposed to know it waasn't free
[01:20] <Choubaka> free :P
[01:20] <liable> klaus^^^: try k3b or xcdroast, both good and easy :)
[01:20] <Choubaka> ivoks: english sucks in that regard
[01:20] <klaus^^^> i downloadet it for free
[01:21] <Choubaka> free = at no cost
[01:21] <klaus^^^> from an web page
[01:21] <smulcahy> howdy
[01:21] <damn> where can find a up to date webpage for linux on notebooks
[01:21] <ivoks> free = free
[01:21] <Choubaka> free = liberty
[01:21] <smulcahy> just installed, lovely install.
[01:21] <klaus^^^> yes
[01:21] <klaus^^^> free
[01:21] <bob2> come on people
[01:21] <klaus^^^> no charge
[01:21] <ivoks> :))
[01:21] <bob2> damn: linux-laptops.net
[01:21] <Choubaka> Finnish beats english in this regard \o/
[01:22] <Drako60> free is the ability to not tell people what your running because they want to find ways to spam you
[01:22] <ivoks> nero for linux uses wine or what?
[01:22] <Choubaka> "free" is ambiguous :P
[01:22] <Choubaka> no it doesn't
[01:22] <Choubaka> it's a native port.
[01:22] <ivoks> ok
[01:22] <liable> ivoks: no
[01:22] <ivoks> that's nice to hear
[01:22] <ivoks> when i rember those Corels... running on wine
[01:22] <liable> but why anyway
[01:23] <ivoks> i like k3b
[01:23] <ivoks> even gnomebaker is good for some stuff :)
[01:23] <klaus^^^> i also downlodet cedega an pont2play from there free
[01:23] <ivoks> you see..
[01:23] <ivoks> he's trying to get windows like OS for free :)
[01:23] <klaus^^^> k3b is not suporting nrg images
[01:24] <bob2> er, cedega costs money
[01:24] <liable> klaus^^^: dont go downloading stuff willy nilly, you will have problems, stick to the ubuntu sources
[01:24] <ivoks> klaus^^^ of course it doesn't, .nrg isn't standardzie
[01:24] <klaus^^^> windows i ahve it free from 5 years now
[01:24] <ivoks> jesus...
[01:24] <klaus^^^> piraded copy of course but with corporation serial
[01:24] <bob2> klaus^^^: that's nice, but your copyright infringement is off-topic
[01:24] <klaus^^^> :)
[01:24] <liable> stupid comment
[01:25] <klaus^^^> if i convert nrg2iso
[01:25] <ivoks> ok, who wants to help him, ok.. i don't.
[01:25] <tvelocity> i have windows for free too (NOT pirated), but i dont ever use it :P
[01:25] <klaus^^^> it is a problem with the image aftr that
[01:25] <klaus^^^> ?
[01:26] <klaus^^^> ivoks,  why
[01:26] <klaus^^^> ?
[01:26] <Shufla> hello :)
[01:26] <bob2> klaus^^^: if you're having a problem with some software you illegally downloaded, you need to go find somewhere else to get help
[01:26] <klaus^^^> ivoks,  if you have money to buy licnece i don have
[01:26] <klaus^^^> so i stick with what i get
[01:27] <Drako60> hmm i should look into cd burning
[01:28] <Shufla> my plan is to setup ubuntu server with soft raid. i'd like to know if anyone here has done test, with default ubuntu install to unplug any disks from array and to boot system properly?
[01:28] <ivoks> bob2 will this cxx transiton help debian in any way?
[01:29] <Shufla> (eg. with 2disks raid-1 i'll unplug hda, boot, degraded, then unplug hdc, boot, degraded) - will grub in ubuntu accept that it will be booted from other disk?
[01:29] <reckless> hi, my computer can't start without a mouse plugged into it. It halts  after it says "Kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda1 ..."
[01:29] <reckless> and befor "Kernel initrd   /boot/initrd.img ....."
[01:30] <bob2> ivoks: it will help sort of the problems debian will have when it does it
[01:30] <bob2> Shufla: why do you want / on software raid?
[01:31] <ivoks> bob2 i'm glad to hear that debian cooperates with ubuntu... it would be sad otherwise...
[01:31] <fabbione> reckless: that's weird.. probably a grub bug. At that point the kernel is not even loaded
[01:31] <hans_> is mirc also available for linux?
[01:31] <Shufla> bob2: huh. you suggest that i should make / on all disks, sync that and configure to boot it with any disk?
[01:31] <bob2> hans_: no
[01:32] <bob2> Shufla: I'm wondering why you want / on software raid at all
[01:32] <reckless> fabbione: may be grub checks if there is a mouse? (i dunno why)
[01:32] <hans_> with which irc client can i share files then?
[01:32] <fabbione> reckless: no, it shouldn't
[01:32] <bob2> hans_: all of them...
[01:32] <hans_> thx
[01:33] <Shufla> bob2: right now i have sarge server with /boot and / no separate partition. you suggest that i shouldn't make / on md?
[01:33] <Drako60> hans_, depends on how you want to share files
[01:33] <bob2> Shufla: I'm wondering why you think it's a good idea
[01:33] <Shufla> bob2: btw. i cannot find any good documents about it (software-raid-howto do not cover it)
[01:33] <liable> none, but why not?
[01:33] <liable> doh
[01:33] <Shufla> bob2: I do not know if it's good idea. it would be simplier if any of my disks go down, the system will boot with raid.
[01:34] <bob2> Shufla: well, it depends how they go down.  if the controller dies, you can't boot
[01:34] <fabbione> reckless: /wind goto 3
[01:34] <fabbione> ops
[01:35] <woods> hello~
[01:35] <Shufla> bob2: i persume that disks will die. if controller dies i have sponsored trip to rome :D
[01:35] <kestas> anyone know how to make an iso image from a cd?
[01:35] <Shufla> kestas: use dd or readcd or k3b
[01:35] <kestas> Shufla: k thanks
[01:37] <kestas> ah that works much better than cat /dev/cdrom
[01:39] <Shufla> i was planning to buy full-hardware controller, but when that controller dies, i've got to buy new one, often much more expensive then disks.
[01:41] <FreezerX> Is it possible to increase the timeout of apt?
[01:42] <Seveas> FreezerX, hm?
[01:42] <kestas> man apt.conf
[01:42] <FreezerX> ok
[01:42] <kestas> should be an option in there
[01:43] <Drako60> #  Type: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /chroot/etc/apt/sources.list<samp>
[01:43] <Drako60>  what is that samp for?
[01:43] <Seveas> sample perhaps?
[01:44] <Seveas> it would help if you gave some context :)
[01:44] <Drako60> i'm reading the chroot 32bit for AMD64
[01:44] <Drako60> i think i understand it now
[01:45] <misieq> i have set PS1 to "[\033[01;32m\] \u \033[01;34m\] \W\033\] ] $ " which gives "[(green user login) (blue short name of working dir)] $ " and when i type commands longer than one line bash ereases the line over the one i type in. it ahppens whenever i hit up arrow, so i can remove all screen of info. how can i make bash split long commands to several lines when i have color command prompt??
[01:46] <Seveas> misieq, try export TERM=$TERM
[01:47] <Seveas> sounds crazy, but i need it sometimes too :)
[01:47] <misieq> it didn't help
[01:48] <univac> how can i update ubuntu 4.10 to newest version?
[01:48] <univac> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade?
[01:48] <hans_> does any1 know how do install the lexmark allinone x74?
[01:49] <Seveas> univac: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:49] <misieq> any other ideas how to fix it?
[01:49] <Seveas> export TERM=vt100
[01:49] <Seveas> could be VT100 too
[01:50] <misieq> Seveas, i think i'll have to gather all these linux commands and put them somewhere in fortune db :)
[01:50] <membreya> who here is good with grammar? :P
[01:51] <Shufla> hans_: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi and choose your printer.
[01:51] <misieq> Seveas, no it still doesn't work
[01:51] <Shufla> misieq: console or x?
[01:51] <misieq> konsole
[01:51] <Seveas> ah, konsole
[01:51] <Shufla> misieq: export TERM=linux?
[01:51] <organon> membreya, i know something :)
[01:52] <Seveas> membreya, formal grammars or english?
[01:52] <organon> though english is still second language :o
[01:52] <Shufla> membreya: I'm good in polish grammar :D
[01:52] <membreya> organon: correct me if I'm wrong, but a semicolon is used when you want to start a new sentence without starting a sentence
[01:52] <membreya> correct?
[01:52] <misieq> Shufla, nope.
[01:52] <Seveas> membreya, not too incorrect :)
[01:52] <misieq> Shufla, are you from Poland?
[01:53] <organon> membreya, haha no idea :)
[01:53] <organon> google!
[01:53] <Seveas> it's one of the uses of a semicolon and you can describe it this way :)
[01:53] <Shufla> misieq: yes. well after exporting shell variable reset console with reset. as konsole you mean text console or KDE konsole?
[01:54] <membreya> what way Seveas ? :|
[01:54] <Seveas> membreya, i mean that if you are not too pedantic about grammar you are right, but language nitpickers will kill you :)
[01:54] <organon> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=semicolon
[01:55] <membreya> lol
[01:55] <membreya> organon: so what I said..just I paraphrased ;)
[01:55] <organon> gg
[01:56] <membreya> if thoropeautic was here..he would correct me :P
[01:56] <drummer> hey.. has anyone experienced slowness with mplayer? whenever i launch it, there's a tab saying 'starting mplayer' and the 'thinking' cursor for about 15 seconds
[01:56] <Drako60> mplayer or gmplayer?
[01:56] <drummer> gmplayer i think
[01:56] <Drako60> the graphic version
[01:57] <Drako60> yes it does take a few seconds to start it
[01:57] <Drako60> if you use mplayer from command line it takes almost no time to start it
[01:57] <graabein> anyone set up tv-out on nvidia card?
[01:57] <membreya> graabein: yes
[01:57] <membreya> it's easy
[01:57] <Drako60> but then you have lots of things to deal with, like what file to play
[01:57] <graabein> membreya, i get Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display
[01:57] <membreya> graabein: what program?
[01:58] <graabein> totem
[01:58] <membreya> graabein: add it to your xorg.conf
[01:58] <membreya> for twinview
[01:58] <graabein> membreya, hold on...
[01:59] <drummer> when i launch gmplayer from cmd line there is no 'starting mplayer' or anything
[01:59] <graabein> membreya, i followed this howto http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23628.html
[01:59] <alexandre> hi
[01:59] <drummer> any reason for that?
[01:59] <Drako60> drummer, does it launch faster from the cmd line?
[02:00] <drummer> it launches fast both ways.. but no 'starting mplayer' tab comes up when running from cmd
[02:00] <carambol>  #kubuntu
[02:00] <Seveas> drummer, that's normal
[02:00] <drummer> why?
[02:01] <Seveas> because the "starting ..." thing only appears when starting from the menu or the run dialog
[02:01] <Seveas> that's how it works..
[02:01] <drummer> oh
[02:01] <Drako60> i don't tend to use gmplayer much, just standard mplayer
[02:04] <Sturmflut> Hm packages.ubuntu.com tells me that mySQL 4.1 has a package named mysql-server-4.1 on hoary but it doesn't seem that my apt-cache knows about it
[02:04] <membreya> anyone know of a brute force password attack for a microsoft office file?
[02:04] <Seveas> membreya, we do not give that kind of help here...
[02:04] <Sturmflut> membreya: There are Windows Tools for that but I don't know any for Linux
[02:04] <membreya> Seveas: ...urgh it's just to unlock an old file that the password is lost for
[02:05] <Seveas> Sturmflut, mysql-server-4.1 is in universe
[02:05] <Seveas> membreya, does OOo care about the passwords at all?
[02:05] <Seveas> or are office files encrypted with the password?
[02:05] <Sturmflut> Seveas: sure it cares, the file is encrypted with the password
[02:05] <Seveas> ah :)
[02:06] <kestas> Sturmflut: actually many old ms office formats arent encrypted
[02:06] <kestas> Sturmflut: crazy as it may be
[02:06] <Sturmflut> kestas: Depends on how old they are.
[02:07] <kestas> Sturmflut: and recently ms was found to use the same key in generating rc4 cipher streams for different documents
[02:08] <tommy2tymes> hey
[02:08] <Sturmflut> kestas: It's M$, I don't expect anything ;)
[02:08] <Kpjas> Hi Can I ask you a quick easy question ? I need some help with installation - will installation preserve /home while installing onto existing system ?
[02:08] <membreya> Kpjas: if you tell it to
[02:09] <Seveas> Kpjas, yes, if you select that partition to be used as /home and tell it to keep the data
[02:09] <Kpjas> so it is safe membreya ?
[02:09] <kestas> Kpjas: you should back your data up before hand
[02:09] <Kpjas> Seveas: thanks ppl
[02:11] <tommy2tymes> hey guys, im an extreme noob with linux basicly and i have ubuntu up and running on my wire internet.  ive been trying to get my wireless working for the past 2 days.  my wireless card is recognized in my device manager but not in my networking manager.  i have read up on ndiswrapper and just got confused.  is there any easier way?
[02:11] <Sturmflut> tommy2tymes: Depends on which WLAN chipset your card has
[02:11] <hayden> how does ubuntu work with sata drives?
[02:11] <Seveas> tommy2tymes, did you read wiki.ubuntu.com/NdiswrapperHowto ?
[02:11] <Seveas> hayden, works well afaik
[02:11] <tommy2tymes> its broadcom
[02:12] <hayden> ok thanks
[02:12] <Selanit> Question: where can I go to manually download Ubuntu packages? (IE through HTTP or FTP)
[02:12] <Seveas> Selanit, archive.ubuntu.com
[02:12] <membreya> Selanit: packages.ubuntu.com
[02:12] <Selanit> Seveas and membreya: thanks
[02:12] <membreya> i win Seveas :P
[02:13] <hayden> how big should a swap partition be, with a 200GB hdd?
[02:13] <membreya> mines 1gb :P
[02:13] <Kpjas> One more qestion:  what are requirements for a workstation to be comfortable ? I have a Duron 1000 + 256 RAM  + accel gfx card ?
[02:14] <hayden> yea thats what i thought
[02:14] <Seveas> membreya, packages is for browsing, not downloading
[02:14] <membreya> Seveas: bollocks
[02:14] <bretzel> hayden:twice your RAM but above 1 gb of ram Ithink 1gb swap is okay. My other computer have 1gb and no swap and no prob tho
[02:14] <Seveas> hmm?
[02:15] <membreya> Seveas: it lets you download the package
[02:15] <Seveas> i see now
[02:15] <Seveas> nice
[02:15] <Selanit> How's the menu editor coming along?
[02:16] <hayden> bretzel: thanks for the info
[02:17] <gregg_> hallo
[02:18] <misieq__> quit
[02:21] <passion23> hello
[02:23] <Selanit> Hey, has anybody here used the livecd of ubuntu?
[02:23] <passion23> hello, everyone. I'm new to Ubuntu. In Firefox, when I click a link to an IRC "chat room," Firefox says "irc is not a registered protocol." How could I have Firefox load up the room in X-chat?
[02:24] <passion23> Selanit, yes for one hour. Then, happy with what Isaw, Iinstalled.
[02:24] <Selanit> passion23: did it recognize your windows partitions, assuming you have any?
[02:25] <`crimsun> passion23, you probably want to use Chatzilla or X-Chat in that case (the latter if you want a gui)
[02:25] <_hp_> Selanit, it recognizes them but you have to mount them yourself
[02:25] <passion23> Selanit,  i'm not sure. as a livecd, it did not touch anything.
[02:25] <`crimsun> Selanit, no, it doesn't automatically mount them by default
[02:25] <sherwin> hi to all
[02:25] <Funraiser> hey guys i have a dumb question: how do make an RSS link to your desktop? what is it that i have to copy/paste?
[02:25] <Selanit> I was just curious; the install CD sets up GRUB to dual boot if it finds Windows, but you have to add your windows partitions to /etc/fstab manually.
[02:26] <Selanit> It just struck me as silly.
[02:26] <_hp_> it is silly
[02:26] <passion23> crimsun_, I use xchat. You did not answer my question, though.... 8-)
[02:26] <`crimsun> Selanit, please file a bug
[02:26] <_hp_> what's silly-er is that gcc isn't included with the default installation
[02:27] <dcraven> That threw me a little too _hp_.
[02:27] <membreya> Selanit: why is that silly?
[02:27] <sherwin> can i ask a question
[02:27] <daniels> sherwin: yes
[02:27] <`crimsun> _hp_, it shouldn't be - Ubuntu is a desktop distro, not a development environment
[02:28] <Selanit> membreya: It's silly that the livecd version finds the windows partitions, but the install version doesn't.
[02:28] <mr_roboto> crimsun: then why does it give you the option of a 'server' install?
[02:28] <Selanit> Drat
[02:28] <Selanit> passtion23 left before I could paste a link for him
[02:28] <_hp_> `crimsun, well, yes, i use ubuntu as my desktop but a man has to compile something every now and then when it's not in synaptic
[02:28] <dark> server != dev enviro
[02:28] <_hp_> sherwin, don't ask to ask
[02:28] <`crimsun> mr_roboto, well why not? :)
[02:28] <Shufla> _hp_: there was many discussion about it. but ubuntu is for humans, not for geeks. [well, not true, but marketing, you know] 
[02:28] <mr_roboto> dark: i'm saying, it's NOT just a desktop env :)
[02:29] <_hp_> Shufla, well, humans need programs that aren't in synaptic
[02:29] <`crimsun> mr_roboto, just because it's targeted toward desktop users doesn't mean it's pigeonholed into a desktop distro; a set of sane desktop defaults makes sense :)
[02:29] <kestas> dont you love how ubuntu's logo implies that geeks arent human
[02:29] <sherwin> i cannot get the latest wine release
[02:29] <kestas> ubuntus catchphrase or whatever
[02:29] <mr_roboto> crimsun: agreed. would be nice to have a developer option too that just goes ahead and installs all the tools.
[02:29] <Shufla> _hp_: than that's problem with ubuntu. ubuntu should be oobox ready for _most_ (!=all) purposes
[02:30] <_hp_> sherwin, be more specific
[02:30] <_hp_> Shufla, well, gcc is like air.... you just don't have linux without gcc.. it's insanity
[02:31] <sherwin> i have already added to repositories the wine.sourceforge.net but it cannot get the latest release
[02:31] <Shufla> _hp_: are you sure?
[02:31] <sherwin> i yes im sure i see it in synaptic
[02:31] <_hp_> sherwin, download and compile it yourself... and i see wine in synaptic as well
[02:32] <sherwin> when i reloaded i search for wine still the latest is the one installed
[02:32] <Shufla> _hp_: i'm happy using ubuntu @ home since 11.2004 and used gcc 2 or 3 times as normal user (do not include development tasks)
[02:32] <mr_roboto> Shufla: have you ever tried to install NVidia's binary driver?
[02:32] <_hp_> Shufla, i don't do development, and i've used gcc
[02:33] <sherwin> so that means after successful compiling i can see now on synaptic the latest release??
[02:33] <Selanit> passion23: Glad you came back. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/04/msg01712.html
[02:33] <passion23> hi all, how can i make Firefox open up IRC links into Ubuntu's default-installed X-Chat?
[02:33] <_hp_> sherwin, no, it's already there
[02:34] <Selanit> passion23: check the link I just posted.  It has a suggestion.
[02:34] <sherwin> i mean on synaptic the latest release i will see after successful compiling?
[02:34] <Funraiser> nobody knows how to get an RSS feed directly on the desktop??
[02:34] <Funraiser> :-/
[02:34] <_hp_> sherwin, no
[02:34] <sherwin> why
[02:35] <Selanit> Funraiser: What do you mean, directly on the desktop?  You need an application to parse the RSS data and present it.
[02:35] <Shufla> mr_roboto: but binary driver is not needed for normal user. for twaeking gcc is needed, i told about _almost_ all using - web, chat, documents, some games
[02:35] <_hp_> sherwin, because the packages in synaptic are the ones that are avaible in the repositories that have been compiled and are ready to install for ubuntu.... what extrodinary feature does the latest version have?
[02:36] <sherwin> you see ive installed before wine. but there is an access violation error.
[02:36] <sherwin> thats why i want to test the latest release of wine
[02:37] <_hp_> sherwin, go to synaptic, find wine and do mark for reinstall, apply changes
[02:37] <mr_roboto> Shufla: I think we might have a different idea about what a normal user is. I think most "normal" users like fast 3d :)   Yes, you CAN get by without gcc but would you want to?
[02:37] <_hp_> sherwin, you can also just download the source and compile it?
[02:37] <izicrekte> what should i do if i get kernel panic when im trying to install 5.04? im newbie
[02:37] <sherwin> ok i will try again.
[02:37] <_hp_> izicrekte, panick
[02:37] <passion23> Selanit, it doesn't work.
[02:37] <sherwin> i have another question thought
[02:38] <izicrekte> ?
[02:38] <_hp_> izicrekte, kernel panics aren't a good thing
[02:38] <Selanit> passion23: Well, I don't know what to tell you then.  Sorry.
[02:38] <_hp_> were i you, and i am not, i would probably just reinstall
[02:38] <sherwin> where to get printer driver for my canon ip1000
[02:38] <Shufla> mr_roboto: normal user is my sister, mum, my dance teacher. we are _not_ ordinary users. we are, ehhh, [any % here] power users
[02:38] <Funraiser> Selanit, i know i have gdesklets but don't know what information i should give to gdesklet...
[02:38] <sherwin> hp ok thanks
[02:38] <Funraiser> to get an rss feed
[02:38] <amran> im using ubuntu and ive installed postgresql - but trying to use it, by using createuser to add a user to the DB i get an error message with regards to user postgres ident failure.is this a ubuntu quirk or should i be asking in #postgresql for help?
[02:39] <DalaiLama> hello, anybody help me please
[02:39] <_hp_> sherwin, have you tried add printer?
[02:39] <DalaiLama> how to set audio in VLC
[02:39] <Selanit> Funraiser: Oh.  Well, I'm afraid that's another question I can't answer, never having heard of gdesklets before. :-D
[02:39] <DalaiLama> or totem
[02:39] <Shufla> amran: do you know file called pg_hba.conf? check there, there are some debien/ubuntu modifications
[02:39] <izicrekte> i know its not a good thing, im not THAT newbie:)
[02:39] <Shufla> amran: did you read /usr/share/doc/postgresql*/README.Debian ?
[02:39] <Funraiser> Selanit, but what info do u give to your app to get an rss feed?
[02:39] <Shufla> sherwin: try linuxprinting.org
[02:39] <izicrekte> but what boot parameter should i use, to avoid it?
[02:39] <sherwin> yes but there is no default driver for my printer
[02:40] <izicrekte> or maybe my disc is corrupted? although i checked md5sum..
[02:40] <sherwin> shufla thanks but there is no info on ip1000
[02:40] <Selanit> Funraiser: The only program I use for RSS is Firefox, and in that case I just click the link to create a "Live Bookmark".
[02:40] <amran> Shufla, thank you. i read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-client/<blah> but to no avail.illgo read and fiddle with the pg_hba.conf.
[02:40] <Funraiser> Selanit, k thanks
[02:41] <Shufla> amran: postgresql-client is for client, you need server info. read pglogs. it will teach you some pg-administration.
[02:41] <NicP> http://slashdot.org/rss/slashdot.rss
[02:41] <NicP> thats the feed for slashdot
[02:42] <Funraiser> Selanit, i don't see the live bookmark...
[02:42] <Shufla> i wonder if there's motu for postgre. maybe i will be :D
[02:42] <NicP> just look at the pages source or something
[02:43] <Funraiser> Selanit, i see the RSS orange icon on a site, i right click it in Firefox and then what do i choose?
[02:43] <Shufla> Funraiser: aaaa! stop!
[02:43] <izicrekte> any idea? why do i get kernel panic ?
[02:44] <Selanit> Funraiser: In Firefox, visit the site that offers the RSS feed. Click the orange icon in the bottom right, and then click "Subscribe to RSS Feed".  This will create a new entry in your bookmarks.
[02:44] <izicrekte> :(
[02:44] <Shufla> Funraiser: in low right corner of the page. do you see nice orange booton?
[02:44] <chocoIate> i'm trying to get a driver package and i dont know which one to choose, here it says : linux-ARCH (where ARCH is one of 686, 686-smp, k7 or k7-smp if you use Intel, powerpc for PPC...) ...My pc is an AMD Sempron 2600+
[02:44] <`crimsun> izicrekte, would you paste the ksymoops on http://pastebin.com?
[02:44] <chocoIate> is k7 the one i want ;-?
[02:45] <Selanit> Funraiser: After you've done that, you can check the feed for fresh info by clicking your bookmarks menu and looking at that folder.
[02:45] <Shufla> chocoIate: deepends on your kernel
[02:45] <amran> Shufla, thanks alot. read the corresponding README, and when i logged using 'sudo su - postgres' i could createusers/dbs etc
[02:45] <Shufla> chocoIate: check with uname -r
[02:46] <chocoIate> what is that supposed to tell me :o
[02:46] <Shufla> amran: and i hopew that that was better, than when i would paste you 'sudo su - postgres' command, isn't it? :d
[02:46] <chocoIate> i thought you had to choose based on your type of system :S
[02:46] <izicrekte> sorry, but i couldnt paste it, i get kernel panic just as i begin installing
[02:47] <Shufla> chocoIate: but uname -r will tell you your kernel type. if it's running right, than choose that type of -proc -specific things
[02:47] <Kpjas> bye
[02:47] <amran> Shufla, oh absolutely. im all for learning the hard way, but sometimes you need someone to point out the obvious ;)
[02:47] <chocoIate> oh
[02:47] <chocoIate> ok, thanks :)
[02:47] <Shufla> amran: i know :)
[02:48] <Shufla> sweet. i got colored prompts. no more server mistakes :D
[02:48] <Drako60> anyone know of a good program to make picture thumbnails for websites?
[02:48] <Shufla> Drako60: gimp tested?
[02:48] <izicrekte> i try another install, and write up the panic message
[02:49] <Drako60> hmm i thought about using gimp to resize them
[02:49] <_hp_> Drako60, set up imagemagick on your server
[02:49] <izicrekte> ill be back
[02:49] <amran> Shufla, thanks once again
[02:49] <_hp_> Drako60, and then you can write a tiny script that will do all that for you
[02:50] <Shufla> huh. amran asked one question. got one answer. and thanked 3 times. that's nice end of workday :D
[02:50] <Hoxzer> how I can make shortcut to the desktop for directory?
[02:50] <Shufla> Hoxzer: yes.
[02:50] <Shufla> Hoxzer: how? eee, use right button to move icon do desktop and drop it
[02:51] <Shufla> there should appear menuy
[02:51] <dcraven> Drako60: gthumb makes very nice galleries.
[02:53] <Selanit> >.< @ pages that refuse to load.
[02:53] <Drako60> ok gthumb, imagemagick, now if i could figure out how to setup apache2 better
[02:54] <_hp_> Drako60, does your server have php/imagemagick?
[02:54] <Hoxzer> Shufla: it just starts to trasfer all the files
[02:54] <Drako60> it has nothing right now _hp_
[02:54] <_hp_> Drako60, it would make things much easier for you
[02:55] <Shufla> Hoxzer: sorry. i'm at kde right now. :(
[02:55] <Funraiser> Selanit, Shufla , do u know a web page changes frequently so i can try their RSS feed, cose i add the RSS link from the new york times but it's gonna take too long for a new article to pop up...
[02:55] <chocoIate> Shufla : here -->> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowtoHoary : it says in step 1 to choose a linux-arch, no biggie you just explained how to select one and download, does step 2 mean i need to gedit etc/modules and write the word "capi" and save and then restart :o
[02:55] <Selanit> ...
[02:55] <Selanit> Try slashdot.org
[02:56] <chocoIate> first time on linux and i'm trying to setup my ISDN modem, not even easy in effect :/
[02:56] <mod^> Why my fonts are totally weird: http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs29&d=05202&f=fonts.jpg
[02:56] <_hp_> chocoIate: ISDN isn't widespread
[02:56] <mod^> nmap is just for example
[02:57] <mod^> fluxbox has that kinda terrible looking fonts too
[02:57] <chocoIate> well, i only got isdn coverage whereas to broadband where i live :P
[02:57] <chocoIate> that person who edited that wiki says he got it working for him
[02:57] <Funraiser> Selanit, Shufla, ok the rss feed works, thanks guys
[02:57] <chocoIate> and that those were the steps taken
[02:57] <Shufla> mod^: look at xserver logs for loading fonts.
[02:58] <chocoIate> Selanit : today is my second day lol
[02:58] <Selanit> I think I'm getting close.
[02:58] <dcraven> Hoxzer: Right-click on your folder and choose "Make Link". Then drag the resulting link to the desktop.
[02:59] <mod^> Shufla: and then what, heh
[02:59] <Drako60> _hp_, do you know of any howtos for apache for things like where it looks for index.html and how to set it to other folders that aren't in /var/www
[02:59] <herpes> man thats a weird bug, cups tells my printer to stop printing. work around is to open the cups window and the bug does not occur.
[02:59] <chocoIate> so what does : 2. add capi to /etc/modules <---- mean ; am i right to think that i need to add the word "capi" and then save it :o
[02:59] <Shufla> mod^: huh. i think, that your system lacks some standards fonts. are there loadiung many fonts in xserver log? do you have many fonts installed?
[03:00] <Shufla> ok
[03:00] <Shufla> i'm going home, bye bye :D
[03:00] <chocoIate> great
[03:00] <_hp_> Drako60: edit /etc/httpd.conf i think
[03:00] <chocoIate> _hp_
[03:00] <Funraiser> the rss feed is right on my desktop, using gdesklets, with translucency and all, awesome
[03:00] <izicrekte> Ext2-fs error (device ram0): ext_check_page: bad entry in directory #344: rec_len is smaller than minimal - offset=0, inode=0, rec_len=0, name_len=0
[03:00] <izicrekte> Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel.
[03:00] <izicrekte> 
[03:00] <chocoIate> do you know what that step 2 is supposed to mean :o
[03:01] <izicrekte> this is the message i get, when im trying to install ubuntu.
[03:01] <Drako60> _hp_, thats what i thought but i wasn't sure what line to edit
[03:01] <chocoIate> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowtoHoary <-- step 2 in first section "how to"
[03:01] <K_Dallas> Hi guys! I have some OpenType Adobe fonts and would like to know if they could be installed and used on Sarge if possible how? (I am actually trying to convert them into tfm for using in my latex documents but it would be nice to have them system wide) thanks
[03:01] <Drako60> _hp_, did you mean /etc/apache2/httpd.conf?
[03:02] <K_Dallas> (or ubuntu, got both boxes)
[03:02] <_hp_> chocoIate: go to synaptic and search for capi
[03:02] <_hp_> _hp_: yes
[03:02] <_hp_> _hp_: and then restart the daemon
[03:02] <Hoxzer> somebody here has used FFmpeg ?
[03:02] <Drako60>  why is it telling me that when i know i have enough space?
[03:02] <Drako60> opps
[03:02] <Hoxzer> I need to know how to convert avi to mpeg
[03:03] <chocoIate> and what is synaptic, i did : gedit /etc/modules and got back a text file with some entries, am i supposed to add the word "capi" in there :o
[03:03] <Drako60> why does it say this when i know i have enough space, /chroot/var/cache/apt/archives/util-linux_2.12p-2ubuntu2_i386.deb: No space left on device
[03:03] <dcraven> Drako60: If you want to use dirs that are not in /var/www, you need to add an alias in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[03:03] <mod^> where can I get 'standard' fonts?
[03:03] <dcraven> Drako60: This assumes apache2 of course.
[03:03] <chocoIate> by the way, i'm in winxp currently since i cant get my modem to work which is actually what i'm trying to do atm :)
[03:03] <Drako60> yes apache2
[03:03] <mod^> 15:59:44 < Shufla> mod^: huh. i think, that your system lacks some standards fonts.
[03:03] <refuze2looze> what is that program for gnome that gives increased settings like trash on desktop, nautilus doesnt take over desktop, etc ?
[03:03] <_hp_> chocoIate: no, capi is a module, synaptic is a package manager where you can get lots of things, including packages for ISDN support System > Adminmistration > synaptic
[03:04] <chocoIate> ok so i get in to System > Adminmistration > synaptic and then what :o
[03:04] <hans_> are usb sticks read only?
[03:04] <_hp_> chocoIate: click on search, and enter capi
[03:04] <_hp_> chocoIate: you can also search for ISDN ;)
[03:04] <chocoIate> i'm copying this conversation by the way so i can try these steps when i booth in ubuntu :P
[03:04] <dcraven> Drako60: I just pasted an example of such an alias here --> http://pastebin.com/285566
[03:05] <chocoIate> oh, its a search tool, and what should i expect to find :o
[03:05] <chocoIate> i mean the editor of that wiki says on step2 to add capi, how do i add it :o
[03:06] <dcraven> refuze2looze: Do you mean gconf-editor?
[03:06] <Drako60> dcraven, so that would be url.com/blog show the file wordpress correct?
[03:06] <izicrekte> im desperate
[03:06] <refuze2looze> dcraven: ah yeah. thanks
[03:06] <dcraven> Drako60: Correct.
[03:06] <izicrekte> :(
[03:06] <Drako60> hmm what is locking me out now
[03:06] <refuze2looze> dcraven: wait.. no
[03:06] <chocoIate> _hp_ : so what happens when i do eventually find capi :o
[03:07] <refuze2looze> dcraven: it doesn't come with gnome, you have to install it
[03:08] <Drako60> something is locking my drive to read only i think
[03:08] <dcraven> refuze2looze: Googling on your behalf, I see gtweakui... Is that it?
[03:08] <Drako60> i keep getting device out of space error when i have 93% of my drive free
[03:08] <Selanit> Oookay.  Got my .debs downloaded, filed a bug on that non-recognition-of-win-partitions thing.  Yay.  Now I'm going to reboot and see if I can finally get online from Ubuntu.  Wish me luck!
[03:08] <chocoIate> _hp_ :o
[03:08] <refuze2looze> dcraven: yeah thanks.. good keyword use i've been searching on google for the last 30 minutes
[03:09] <dcraven> refuze2looze: I also see http://www.krakoa.dk/linux-software.html#COG
[03:10] <hans_> after i installed fglrx i cant change the resolution any more...any help?
[03:11] <passion23> hi. i'm in a different chatroom (in a different chat server). My messages don't seem to get out to the chatroom. WHat must i do to be able to "speak out"?
[03:11] <dcraven> Drako60: type "mount" in a term and it'll tell you if it's read only.
[03:12] <dcraven> Drako60: rw=read/write, ro=read only
[03:12] <refuze2looze> dcraven: this one looks pretty neat too
[03:12] <dcraven> refuze2looze: If you only have a couple of things to change, gconf-editor, although not as pretty, can work.
[03:12] <Drako60> rw,errors=remount-ro
[03:13] <dcraven> Drako60: My / says the same.
[03:13] <Drako60> dcraven, i had this problem befor when trying to install wine from source, something stopped me from writing, then after awhile it just went back to being writable
[03:14] <TJORVEN> how do i log in as root when it says that there is no root account????
[03:14] <Seveas> TJORVEN, use sudo
[03:14] <TJORVEN> ok
[03:14] <Seveas> wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[03:15] <TJORVEN> thanks
[03:15] <dcraven> TJORVEN: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:15] <dcraven> err
[03:15] <Seveas> beat ya :)
[03:15] <TJORVEN> ^
[03:15] <refuze2looze> dcraven: yea i'm familiar with it but i just wanted some specific stuff in gtweakui (had it installed before). it's also on the multiverse repositories
[03:15] <dcraven> refuze2looze: Cool.
[03:16] <dcraven> Whatever works :)
[03:16] <refuze2looze> hehe
[03:17] <refuze2looze> also another question.. on the Tree view side panel in nautilus there's 2 main trees, home and filesystem. how can i make another folder listed there as a main tree?
[03:17] <dcraven> Drako60: "df" shows lots of space still available?
[03:18] <Drako60> dcraven, at 93GBs free
[03:18] <Gog> can anyone recommend a good gui news client? (other than pan)
[03:18] <Selanit> Nope.  No such luck.  I'm going to have to break down and just compile the kernel from source.
[03:18] <dcraven> Gog: I would have said pan.
[03:18] <Gog> dcraven, fair enough, as long as there's nothing new (been a while :)
[03:18] <hans_> i need a nice ftp server prog for my network
[03:19] <Nic> gog do u mean rss?
[03:19] <dcraven> Gog: IMHO, Pan still rules that domain.
[03:19] <Gog> Nic, nope nntp
[03:19] <Gog> nod, thanks
[03:19] <Nic> ahh ok
[03:19] <Gog> :)
[03:21] <Drako60> no space left on device doesn't matter what i do
[03:21] <synic> Selanit: it's not linuxant... the drivers themselves need to be 64bit.
[03:21] <TJORVEN> how do i get tar.gz files to work?? is it just to unzip?
[03:22] <synic> TJORVEN: what .tar.gz are you trying to get to work?
[03:22] <Seveas> TJORVEN, tar zxvf [the file] 
[03:22] <Selanit> synic: they offer amd64 compiles in RPM format.  All they need to do is repackage in deb.
[03:22] <TJORVEN> ok
[03:22] <synic> Selanit: yeah, but the windows drivers still need to be 64bit.
[03:22] <synic> TJORVEN: you should be using apt instead of compiling.
[03:23] <Selanit> synic: huh?  What does windows have to do with a linux driver?
[03:23] <synic> Selanit: linuxant uses windows drivers, doesn't it?
[03:23] <TJORVEN> yes i know but it was a downloaded program
[03:23] <dcraven> Drako60: Have you tried remounting it? I dunno what the deal is.
[03:23] <Selanit> synic: No.  They paid Conexant for the tech specs and wrote new drivers from scratch.
[03:23] <synic> TJORVEN: what program
[03:23] <synic> Selanit: ah.  that's cool.
[03:23] <TJORVEN> cedega
[03:23] <Drako60> i don't want to remount /
[03:24] <Drako60> someone remind me next time i install linux to partition things out better
[03:24] <dcraven> Drako60: Why not remount?
[03:24] <jeroen_> Drako60, repartition :p And set up a script to mail you every day to remind you
[03:25] <Selanit> synic: Yep.  It'd be even cooler if I could actually install the dang thing on an amd64 debian-based system.
[03:25] <Drako60> mostly because i don't want anything to crash on me
[03:25] <dcraven> Drako60: "mount -o remount /dev/whatever"
[03:25] <dcraven> Drako60: Recent Windows user? ;P
[03:25] <ram_einstein> hi all~ I want to know how to "format" my USB stick
[03:26] <dcraven> Drako60: Run that command and restart six times for the changes to take effect.
[03:26] <ram_einstein> ... and find out it's filesystem
[03:26] <Drako60> dcraven, sadly but i've used linux off and on
[03:26] <Selanit> ram_einstein: Uh, I don't think you need to format a USB stick.  I've never had to, anyway.
[03:26] <jeroen_> Selanit, you do need to sometimes
[03:26] <ram_einstein> Selanit, what if I want to
[03:27] <ram_einstein> not need to
[03:27] <dcraven> Drako60: Your call, but it's pretty safe. And no need to reboot. I was just jerkin' your chain a bit.
[03:27] <Selanit> Then I wish you luck.  Have fun.
[03:27] <ram_einstein> what filesystems do your USB sticks use Selanit and jeroen_?
[03:27] <Drako60> dcraven, i knew the part about the reboot hehe 6 times yeah only to get around a kernel panic
[03:27] <ram_einstein> :( Selanit!
[03:27] <Andril> hello all - again
[03:27] <jeroen_> ram_einstein, I don't have an usb-stick, but I would format if fat32 for use @ school
[03:27] <ram_einstein> it works here too but I WANT ro again
[03:27] <richard> ram_einstein, usual filesystem on usb storage is fat32 (vfat driver under linux)
[03:28] <Andril> does any one know of a repository "wishlist"
[03:28] <ram_einstein> richard and jeroen_, can it use any other fs?
[03:28] <richard> you can use any filesystem you like...
[03:28] <jeroen_> Andril, search the wiki
[03:28] <ram_einstein> yeah richard!? what's the fastest then?
[03:28] <dcraven> Andril: You can suggest things for universe on the wiki.
[03:28] <jeroen_> Andril, go to MOTU and click the first link
[03:28] <richard> but you may have to get very friendly with mkfs
[03:29] <richard> fastest?
[03:29] <ram_einstein> it used to be faster until I did a mkfs on it
[03:29] <Drako60> dcraven, how safe is using -n with the remount
[03:29] <ram_einstein> yeah richard data transfer wise
[03:29] <caldwell> is /etc/modules.conf the right place to manually add 'alias eth0 <module>'?
[03:29] <richard> um... that's surely a usb2 vs usb1 issue.
[03:29] <dcraven> Drako60: I can't see it doing harm.
[03:30] <ram_einstein> richard, I see.
[03:30] <ram_einstein> Is USB 1/2 purely a function of which port I connect it to?
[03:30] <jeroen_> ram_einstein, differents port may use usb1 or 2
[03:30] <richard> ram_einstein, do you have some usb ports as v1 and others as v2? some motherboards have lots of usb 1 ports and only 1 or 2 usb 2 ports.
[03:31] <ram_einstein> or is it also a function of the stick?
[03:31] <richard> to get fast transfers, you must have a usb2 stick, and plug it into a usb2 socket
[03:31] <jeroen_> ram_einstein, the stick may not support usb2 (i think)
[03:31] <ram_einstein> one sec telephone call...
[03:31] <Drako60> dcraven, i did mount -o remount -n /dev/hda1 no success
[03:32] <caldwell> is /etc/modules.conf the right place to manually add 'alias eth0 <module>'?
[03:32] <Andril> jeroen_, where is MOTU?
[03:32] <dcraven> Drako60: I'd have a look at your dmesg for anything peculiar... Maybe grep it for the device name?
[03:32] <jeroen_> Andril, how about searching MOTU @ wiki
[03:32] <caldwell> or do i add it to /etc/modutils/aliases then `update-modules`?
[03:33] <dcraven> Drako60: For example, "dmesg | grep hda3".
[03:33] <Andril> Jeroen_, thanks
[03:33] <Andril> dcraven, thanks
[03:33] <dcraven> Drako60: Or "dmesg | grep mount" or something.
[03:33] <dcraven> Andril: No problem.
[03:34] <Drako60> dcraven, no errors on grep hda, and only smbfs errors on grep mount
[03:34] <ram_einstein> sorry... I'm back
[03:35] <ram_einstein> richard, not sure. I have 2 ports. How do I find out?
[03:35] <jeroen_> ram_einstein, try both and test the speed :p
[03:35] <ram_einstein> jeroen_, can you explain a very high speed data transfer then?
[03:35] <ram_einstein> one sec...
[03:35] <Drako60> oh i hate this i can't even read a man page
[03:36] <jeroen_> ram_einstein, usb1 is slow, usb2 is faaast
[03:36] <richard> can you do an lspci and see if you have a USB 2.0 controller listed in the output
[03:36] <jeroen_> ram_einstein, you could also try system -> administration -> Device Manager
[03:37] <ram_einstein> jeroen_, one is slow
[03:37] <jeroen_> ram_einstein, and look for usb controller
[03:37] <jeroen_> ram_einstein, and see whether it's 1.1 or 2
[03:38] <richard> there will always be a 1.0 or 1.1 usb controller - its there for the mandatory backward compatibility. The 2.0 is there in addition.
[03:38] <ram_einstein> one sec jeroen_
[03:38] <jeroen_> richard, yeah.. I have both
[03:38] <ram_einstein> nForce USB controller? no version there
[03:39] <K_Dallas> Why is gnome stacking up icons on the desktop? Is there a fix for that? Thanks
[03:39] <ram_einstein> under that, there's a nmVidia Corporation nForce USB
[03:39] <richard> ok... now how about the stick? is it 2.0? if it is, it will probably advertise it...
[03:39] <jeroen_> K_Dallas, please explain more
[03:39] <ram_einstein> and under that... Transcend Jetflash 2.0
[03:39] <ram_einstein> that's probably usb 2.0 yes?
[03:39] <richard> thats a usb2
[03:39] <ram_einstein> great!
[03:39] <jeroen_> ram_einstein, does it say transcend on your usbstick?
[03:39] <K_Dallas> i mounted 2 CDs and an ISO image, their icons apeared on the desktop over the other icons!
[03:39] <Sieg> hi! I was wondering if there was a way to make kde native applications look better (especially fonts) in gnome? There are some kde applications that I really like, but since 2.8, I have to say that I really enjoy the gnome desktop... Tks :)
[03:39] <ram_einstein> yes jeroen_
[03:40] <clarki> Still looking for support on Samba printer sharing. Any experts out there?
[03:40] <ram_einstein> Transcend Jetflash 2.0
[03:40] <ram_einstein> the volume is vfat
[03:40] <jeroen_> ram_einstein, then find the usb 2.0 port, and stick it in there
[03:40] <richard> clarki, every samba printer I set up, I just set it up to work from linux first and then samba picked it up and shared it automagically.
[03:40] <ram_einstein> there are 2. The one it's currenly in is SLOW. I'll try the other
[03:40] <jeroen_> K_Dallas, I have heard about that. You might want to search the wiki and forums (or ask google)
[03:41] <K_Dallas> thanks so you think there is a curefor that? ;)
[03:41] <dcraven> Drako60: Maybe use grep -5 to surrounding lines?
[03:41] <jeroen_> K_Dallas, I suggest you to search the wiki and/or forums
[03:41] <richard> ram_einstein, do al lsmod and check that you have both ehci_hcd and ohci_hcd loaded (one is the usb1 driver, and the other is usb2 driver)
[03:41] <K_Dallas> going for google, thank you
[03:41] <dcraven> Drako60: What the hell did you do? haha
[03:42] <ram_einstein> hey! my USB doesn't pop up when I connect it to the other port
[03:42] <clarki> richard: This printer worked fine locally from the Ubuntu desktop machine, but I have and had problems printing from a networked XP machine.
[03:42] <Drako60> dcraven, i was trying to install chroot 32bit and all of a sudden it stopped saying no space
[03:42] <dcraven> Drako60: So it's fixed? Neat.
[03:42] <clarki> richard: Shoud Samba work out of the box with XP?
[03:42] <Drako60> dcraven, no its not
[03:42] <richard> clarki, i've only done it with post script printers
[03:43] <Drako60> dcraven, thats what i was in the middle of doing when it broke
[03:43] <richard> clarki, and while I have done filesharing with xp, I can't say I've ever done printers with xp.
[03:43] <clarki> richard: So no driver install required
[03:43] <dcraven> clarki: You don't need samba to share a printer.. Hold up a sec.
[03:43] <richard> clarki, i always have installed some kind of basic postscript driver.
[03:44] <ram_einstein> my stick just doesn't pop up now! after I did an unmount volume and took it out!
[03:44] <richard> but you can also do it by ipp, which is directly supported by cups
[03:44] <richard> and which xp should also support?
[03:44] <ram_einstein> richard, I can't find either driver
[03:44] <jeroen_> ram_einstein, that's weird. And it works in the other slot? Maybe it's defunct? (the slot)
[03:44] <Ize> Any could help me out with a small Mounting problem ? Hehe
[03:44] <dcraven> clarki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkPrintingFromWin2000
[03:44] <clarki> richard: This a HP 932C so no such sophistication I'm afriad!
[03:44] <ram_einstein> I tried both slots and it doesn't work now jeroen_ !
[03:44] <jeroen_> Ize, what is it?
[03:44] <ram_einstein> it doesn't pop up
[03:44] <jeroen_> ram_einstein, bizarre
[03:45] <dcraven> clarki: Those instructions also work with XP.
[03:45] <g14_> ram_einstein: Try looking under /media and seeing if it is there
[03:45] <richard> hmmm... i've seen usb devices fail to pop up on knoppix.
[03:45] <ram_einstein> it isn't gl4_!
[03:45] <richard> ram_einstein, usually after fiddling around with them a bit I have some trouble...
[03:46] <richard> i usually get around it by mounting it manually.
[03:46] <Drako60> hmm still no luck on the dmesg
[03:46] <ram_einstein> yeah richard I've had this problem before
[03:46] <richard> but that sucks as a solution...
[03:46] <jeroen_> gtg, will be back in ~10 minutes
[03:46] <ram_einstein> richard, manual mount screws up too much, but I'll try it now
[03:46] <ram_einstein> ok jeroen_
[03:47] <ram_einstein> what do I mount? usb0?
[03:47] <richard> ram_einstein, just a minute
[03:47] <Ize> Any could help out with a small mounting problem ? ^^
[03:47] <ram_einstein> .. and the stick says usb 2.0 all over it btw
[03:47] <dcraven> Ize: Just ask the question.
[03:48] <FreezerX> What is the gam_server for? It always blocks my mounted remote folder, therefor I cant use it as workspace.
[03:48] <richard> hmmm.... I think the device is usually /dev/uba
[03:48] <richard> then the partition if you need it
[03:48] <izicrekte> could someone at least post an url, about what should i do, when i get kernel panic, at INSTALLING ubuntu?
[03:49] <clarki> dcraven: OK I'll take a look. I do see a printer, but the print just never appears in a the CUPS queue or gets printed. WIll try configuring as the Wiki. This to me is still one of the weakest areas of Ubuntu/Linux compared to M$. Otherwise the insall has been pretty straightforward and the end result very usable and pleasing.
[03:49] <trondd> 2
[03:49] <izicrekte> i didnt find anything helpful
[03:49] <dcraven> Ize: Ask in the channel please.
[03:49] <clarki> 'the install'
[03:49] <richard> izicrekte, did you check the md5sum of your CD before you burned it?
[03:49] <richard> izicrekte, and then verify the cd to the image?
[03:49] <ram_einstein> can't find it in fstab or mtab richard
[03:49] <Drako60> dcraven, i'm going to wait this out, i'm wondering if its not because of the file i'm downloading, for who knows what reason
[03:49] <richard> or perhaps its a commercial cd, in which case it should be ok
[03:50] <dcraven> Ize: If the drive is mounted, it's likely in /media/cdrom.
[03:50] <richard> ram_einstein, it won't be in fstab or mtab. mount with pmount
[03:50] <Ize> how do u Mount Disc Drive in the Ubuntu Live version ? not used to Linux at all but need it to pull Drivers out from a broke boot CD from Adaptec.. hehe
[03:50] <ram_einstein> look at this: I found it in mtab:
[03:50] <ram_einstein> "usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0"
[03:50] <dcraven> Drako60: That doesn't sound likely.
[03:50] <izicrekte> yes, i checked it... verified
[03:50] <Seveas> ram_einstein, that's normal
[03:50] <Ize> got the CD Drives mounted just fine.. just not the Diskette drive
[03:50] <izicrekte> with k3b
[03:50] <Seveas> it's supposed to be there :)
[03:50] <Drako60> dcraven, well i didn't say it sounded likely but its the only writing file that hasn't failed miserably
[03:51] <dcraven> Drako60: heh
[03:51] <Seveas> Ize, diskettes do not automount
[03:51] <ram_einstein> could not determine real path of the device richard!
[03:51] <richard> izicrekte, do you happen to have a knoppix on hand? does that work?
[03:51] <Seveas> Ize, you can use nautilus to access disks iirc
[03:51] <Ize> figured that out Seveas :p
[03:51] <ram_einstein> "ram@ubuntu:~$ sudo pmount /dev/uba
[03:51] <Drako60> izicrekte, what kind of CPU do you have and what kernel are you trying to install?
[03:51] <ram_einstein> Error: could not determine real path of the device: No such file or directory"
[03:51] <ram_einstein> any ideas?
[03:51] <FreezerX> I cant umount a folder because it is used by the gam_server. Any idea how to fix it?
[03:51] <dcraven> Ize: Do this "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy"
[03:51] <Seveas> ize, jsut go to places->computer->floppy
[03:51] <richard> ram_einstein, look at /var/log/syslog while you plug in the device. That will give you the device name
[03:51] <dcraven> Ize: that might work.
[03:52] <dcraven> Ize: Or what Seveas said.
[03:52] <izicrekte> but i still get this msg at booting,
[03:52] <izicrekte> Ext2-fs error (device ram0): ext_check_page: bad entry in directory #344: rec_len is smaller than minimal - offset=0, inode=0, rec_len=0, name_len=0
[03:52] <izicrekte> Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel.
[03:52] <izicrekte> 
[03:52] <Seveas> izicrekte, do NOT paste in here
[03:52] <izicrekte> sorry
[03:52] <ram_einstein> there are a lot of /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 s
[03:52] <Ize> "/media/floopy does not Exist" ?..
[03:53] <izicrekte> its a celeron 1000, and im trying to install the 5.04 i386
[03:53] <Seveas> Ize, try floppy0
[03:53] <Seveas> or floppy
[03:53] <izicrekte> i dont have knoppix..
[03:53] <richard> ram_einstein, for mounting try pmount /dev/sda1 /media/removable
[03:53] <Seveas> izicrekte, did you burn it yourself?
[03:53] <Seveas> richard, pmount only needs the device path
[03:53] <richard> oh
[03:54] <jeroen_> ram_einstein, I'm back..
[03:54] <ram_einstein> usb storage device scan complete in the logs
[03:54] <misieq> hi. is there epsxe or any other psx emulator in apt repo?
[03:54] <Seveas> ram_einstein, try pmount /dev/sda
[03:54] <richard> when the machine starts up, I have lots of 20-hal.hotplug and 10-hal.dev processes
[03:54] <ram_einstein> nope
[03:54] <Seveas> and try it with /dev/sda1 too, and /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1
[03:55] <ram_einstein> nope nope and nope
[03:55] <richard> and then when logging in to gnome I get "failed to initialize HAL"
[03:55] <TJORVEN> how do i log out to terminal instead of x system
[03:55] <misieq> TJORVEN, init 3?
[03:55] <izicrekte> yes, i did it burn, with k3b
[03:55] <richard> If I wait until all the hal processes have gone, it fixes itself...
[03:55] <ram_einstein> Error: Could not determine real path of device
[03:55] <izicrekte> the md5 was OK
[03:55] <Seveas> richard, define "when the machine starts up", during booting or right after it
[03:55] <TJORVEN> whats that?
[03:55] <Seveas> izicrekte, md5sum of burned cd too?
[03:55] <ram_einstein> :( what do I do jeroen_, richard and Seveas
[03:55] <richard> Seveas, immediately after boot
[03:56] <misieq> TJORVEN, when you have X running you have init 5 afair. 3 is console
[03:56] <Seveas> richard, and how long do they stay around?
[03:56] <ram_einstein> can I empty my log and do it all from the beginning?
[03:56] <misieq> or try ctrl+alt+f7/f8
[03:56] <richard> Seveas, about 2 minutes
[03:56] <Seveas> misieq, nonsense
[03:56] <Seveas> ubuntu just uses 2
[03:56] <TJORVEN> how do i change?
[03:56] <ram_einstein> and give you the log richard?
[03:56] <richard> ram_einstein, i don't know what's going on there...
[03:56] <dcraven> TJORVEN: "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop", then ctrl-alt-backspace might work.
[03:56] <izicrekte> yes Seveas
[03:56] <Seveas> richard, sounds normal to me, i'll check on my system after next boot how long they stay around
[03:57] <TJORVEN> thanks
[03:57] <misieq> TJORVEN, try ctrl+alt+f8 and then alt+f2 - you should be on tty2
[03:57] <richard> Seveas, is it normal to get the failed to initialize HAL message if you log in quickly after booting up?
[03:57] <ram_einstein> I'll give you the log okay?
[03:57] <dcraven> TJORVEN: Then "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start" will likely bring you back.
[03:57] <richard> Seveas, if I wait before logging in its OK
[03:57] <Seveas> richard, afaik not...
[03:57] <misieq> TJORVEN, and to et back hit ctrl+alt+f7
[03:57] <Seveas> misieq, again nonsense
[03:57] <volt> hi everyone
[03:57] <misieq> why?
 for terminal 2
[03:57] <volt> new user here
[03:57] <richard> Seveas, s/wait/wait 2 minutes/
[03:57] <misieq> Seveas, i just did that!
 to go back
[03:58] <volt> 1st of all, how do i change screen resolution?
[03:58] <dcraven> misieq: I'm assuming he wants to kill X. If he switches tty, then X is still running.
[03:58] <jpfarias> volt, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:58] <ram_einstein> the relevanty part: http://pastebin.com/285588
[03:58] <maz1977> hi all
[03:58] <ram_einstein> please have a look at it
[03:58] <richard> volt: system menu | preferences | Screen Resolution
[03:58] <Seveas> misieq, no you send him via terminal 8 (unneccesseary) and uce <ctrl+alt+f7 (incorrect)
[03:59] <eleusis> hello
[03:59] <Seveas> hi
[03:59] <maz1977> big problems to upgrade to breezy?
[03:59] <jpfarias> hi
[03:59] <Seveas> maz1977, DO NOT use breezy
[03:59] <jeroen_> maz1977, yes
[03:59] <volt> thanks guys
[03:59] <maz1977> ok ok
[03:59] <Seveas> breezy is unstable
[03:59] <eleusis> is ubuntu-calendar-may out yet?
[03:59] <Seveas> eleusis, not yet
[03:59] <jeroen_> eleusis, no :(
[03:59] <Seveas> no ETA too...
[03:59] <maz1977> It was hoary too
[03:59] <dcraven> maz1977: Not suggested unless you are advanced in broken systems.
[03:59] <jeroen_> eleusis, weird huh
[03:59] <eleusis> hmm
[04:00] <volt> how come there is no res greater than 800x600?
[04:00] <eleusis> jdub should know :P
[04:00] <jeroen_> volt, because you've misconfigured xorg.conf; or some program did
[04:00] <dcraven> Where did that help bot that was in here go?
[04:00] <Seveas> ram_einstein, /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb /dev/sdb1 all do not work?
[04:00] <ram_einstein> no Seveas
[04:00] <ram_einstein> :(
[04:00] <jeroen_> dcraven, I don't know; haven't seen it for a while
[04:00] <izicrekte> ok, then i wont install ubuntu, now..
[04:00] <izicrekte> :)
[04:00] <jeroen_> dcraven, it was very usefull :)
[04:00] <dcraven> jeroen_: I thought so too.
[04:01] <richard> izicrekte, is the system known to work with other OS?
[04:01] <ram_einstein> http://pastebin.com/285589 Seveas
[04:01] <dcraven> volt: Maybe this link can help --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:01] <ram_einstein> be back in ~20 mins
[04:02] <volt> will try.. thanks, this channel is a great help
[04:02] <lexxan> dcraven, I shut it down because bob2 is an unappreciative asswipe.
[04:02] <izicrekte> it works fine with mandriva for example
[04:02] <Seveas> lexxan, language...
[04:03] <lexxan> Seveas, stfu.
[04:03] <dcraven> lexxan: haha.. Was it being abused?
[04:03] <lexxan> nah
[04:03] <lexxan> he was complaining that it wasn't a "bloot bot" or some shit
[04:03] <dcraven> Let's be nice people.
[04:03] <lexxan> stupid nerds.
[04:03] <dcraven> Ouch.
[04:03] <lexxan> lol
[04:03] <jeroen_> lexxan, what is a "bloot bot"?
[04:03] <Seveas> lexxan, please mind your language, we cannot help it that your bot had to go (i actually appreciated the bot)
[04:04] <lexxan> jeroen_, a bloated piece of crap bot that responds to triggers
[04:04] <dcraven> I thought eggies were the norm.
[04:04] <jeroen_> I thought it was sweet
[04:04] <dcraven> But that maybe me stuck in the 90's.
[04:04] <lexxan> why don't one of you run it
[04:04] <jeroen_> really handy :) ?? restricted
[04:04] <Seveas> dcraven, eggies, as well as other bots can be bloated :)
[04:05] <lexxan> it was an eggdrop with one little script
[04:05] <richard> Seveas: my problem appears to be https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9864
[04:05] <dcraven> Seveas: So can I be bloated, but I'm still in the channel.
[04:05] <Funraiser> i agree bob2 is really an a..h..
[04:05] <dcraven> bob2: Helps a lot of people.
[04:05] <Funraiser> well i do too
[04:05] <Seveas> richard, have you added a comment to it describing you situation?
[04:06] <dcraven> Funraiser: And your help is also appreciated :)
[04:06] <richard> Seveas, yes, I'm about to. The observation about waiting for the hal stuff to stop seems to be new.
[04:06] <lexxan> He's just one of those nerds with a small penis and big glasses that has no confidence.. so he comes on here and treats people like shit to make himself feel better
[04:06] <Seveas> bob2 may be a bit too strict on the rules sometimes, but usually he is correct...
[04:06] <lexxan> HA HAHA AHHA I KNOW MORE THAN YOUZ_)W%&(@)#%(&@#
[04:07] <lexxan> oops i swore again
[04:07] <lexxan> Seveas, I beg your forgiveness
[04:07] <Funraiser>  maybe he should cool down a bit
[04:07] <dcraven> Why not be nice?
[04:07] <Seveas> lexxan, i forgive you ;))
[04:08] <Funraiser> dcraven is a leader, i'm impressed
[04:08] <lexxan> i need a good tv torrent site
[04:08] <lexxan> www.btefnet.net died :(
[04:08] <Seveas> torrentspy.com?
[04:08] <dcraven> lexxan: Seems they are dieing like flies eh? Damn laws...
[04:08] <Funraiser> lexxan, www.mininova.org
[04:09] <Seveas> but we officialy do not support copyright infringment :)
[04:09] <dcraven> hehe
[04:09] <Funraiser> lexxan, by the way, u should forget torrent and check the newsgroups
[04:09] <lexxan> hmm ok
[04:09] <lexxan> o.
[04:09] <lexxan> what's a good client ?
[04:09] <Seveas> the best are windows only
[04:09] <dcraven> Seveas: But.. I bought the dvd.. I just need a backup. lol
[04:09] <Seveas> but pan might be nice on linu
[04:09] <Seveas> x
[04:09] <hac> Why when i go on flash site like nike.com the cpu is 100%?
[04:10] <Funraiser> that's the problem...but i've heard nget works well if u don't mind the command lines
[04:10] <synic> lexxan: lots like azureus
[04:10] <Seveas> hac, because flash s**s
[04:10] <lexxan> I mean for newsgroups
[04:10] <lexxan> Azureus is good
[04:10] <synic> lexxan: oh.
[04:10] <synic> <-- tard
[04:10] <lexxan> cept it uses 350 megs of ram
[04:10] <lexxan> but the only client ;/
[04:10] <Funraiser> pan uses too much memory
[04:10] <Seveas> i read text-only groups though...
[04:11] <daniels> lexxan: go easy on both the language and abuse.  final warning.
[04:11] <daniels> Funraiser: you too
[04:11] <Funraiser> language?
[04:11] <synic> lexxan: well, imo, the bittorrent client that comes with ubuntu is fine... Azureus is overload.
[04:11] <DoppelGanger> ubuntu has ops now he he
[04:11] <lexxan> daniels, I don't like you.
[04:11] <dcraven> Oh geez...
[04:11] <dcraven> lexxan: Never let it go.
[04:11] <lexxan> synic, Do you find you get crappy speeds with the basic one??
[04:11] <synic> lexxan: nope
[04:11] <lexxan> hrm
[04:12] <lexxan> which one is it anyway
[04:12] <lexxan> i'm in debian
[04:12] <lexxan> on*
[04:12] <daniels> lexxan: that's good; leave the attitude at the door, and focus on helping users, ok?
[04:12] <hac> I use the 2.2 Azureus version...the 2.3 su**s ,its a very ram hog
[04:12] <Funraiser> daniels, what did i say? do u mean about bob2 or the newsgroups?
[04:12] <lexxan> Maybe I will downgrade to 2.2
[04:12] <daniels> Funraiser: 15:05 < Funraiser> i agree bob2 is really an a..h..
[04:12] <srid> 'gdl' is missing in ubuntu package python2.4-gnome2-extras!
[04:12] <synic> oh, I dunno... it's called "Gnome Bittorrent" in the applications menu
[04:12] <eleusis> 2.3 is good
[04:12] <eleusis> 2.3 has the distributed tracker
[04:13] <Drako60> bittornado-gui is nice
[04:13] <Funraiser> daniels, well that was a polite way to say it
[04:13] <dcraven> srid: What is gdl?
[04:13] <Funraiser> lol
[04:13] <Funraiser> lexxan, anyway there is nget that u can try
[04:13] <srid> dcraven, gnome dock library i think
[04:13] <lexxan> daniels, So when are you geniuses in the office gonna make an irc bot?
[04:14] <srid> dcraven, there is a gdl example in /usr/doc/python2.4-gnome2-extra/examples
[04:14] <srid> sri@infinity:/usr/share/doc/python2.4-gnome2-extras/examples/gdl $ python gdl_test.py
[04:14] <srid> ImportError: No module named gdl
[04:14] <daniels> lexxan: undecided, but if there is one, its content would have to be pretty carefully monitored.  bots like that have a long history of being filled with staggeringly bad advice.
[04:14] <dcraven> srid: It's in CVS if you need it.
[04:14] <daniels> Funraiser: calling someone an 'asshole' isn't polite, whether or not you replace bits of it with dots.
[04:14] <Funraiser> really
[04:15] <srid> dcraven, yeah! .. but i am also reportnig this bug to bugzilla of ubuntu
[04:15] <srid> i need ubuntu pacakge
[04:15] <Funraiser> it's really weird that there is no good client with GUI for newsgroups on linux...
[04:15] <daniels> lexxan: also, 'in the office', as it were, we're busy doing trivial things like moving to gcc4 and replacing chunks of the X source tree
[04:15] <Seveas> Funraiser, the next version of pan will be better
[04:16] <Seveas> current cvs already solves the memory problem
[04:16] <dcraven> srid: When was gdl added.. Maybe since the latest Ubuntu package version?
[04:16] <lexxan> ah
[04:16] <srid> dcraven,  2.11.0-0ubuntu1
[04:16] <lexxan> neato
[04:16] <srid> dcraven, it contains example for gdl, but not the module!!
[04:16] <misieq> is there epsxe or any other psx emulator in apt repo?
[04:16] <srid> dcraven, a packaging bug
[04:16] <lexxan> Does anyone in your office have a girlfriend or boyfriend??
[04:17] <daniels> lexxan: hate to break it to you, but we all work from home.
[04:17] <lexxan> ah i see
[04:17] <kestas> I dont work at all
[04:17] <kestas> :)
[04:17] <ram_einstein> hey! anyone here has problems with a usb stick not popping up on the desktop?
[04:17] <ram_einstein> mine suddenly doesn't
[04:17] <Drako60> daniels, i'll be most happy when gcc-4 is put into place for the amd64
[04:18] <daniels> Drako60: it'll be done in a couple of days
[04:18] <Drako60> now if only i could figure out how i suddenly can't write to my hard drive i'd me really happy
[04:18] <Funraiser> ram_einstein, mine always worked fine
[04:18] <bluefoxicy> Does Gnome have something like Kteatime?
[04:18] <bluefoxicy> I need to know when my herbal tea is done
[04:18] <kestas> ??
[04:19] <kestas> someone actually uses that app
[04:19] <ram_einstein> Funraiser, does it always pop up on the desktop?
[04:19] <Funraiser> bluefoxicy, maybe there is a gdesklet for that
[04:19] <Funraiser> ram_einstein, yes
[04:19] <Funraiser> always
[04:19] <Funraiser> in like 3 sec
[04:19] <ram_einstein> it usually does for me but now it doesn't for some reason
[04:19] <lexxan> daniels, So do you at least get a bonus for living on irc?
[04:19] <Drako60> ram_einstein, have you tried putting it back on the usb port it was working on previously
[04:20] <ram_einstein> Drako60, yes it still doesn't work
[04:20] <ram_einstein> here's my /var/log/syslog: http://pastebin.com/285588
[04:20] <kestas> bluefoxicy: why dont you use a watch anyway?
[04:20] <Drako60> ram_einstein, did the usb module crash?
[04:20] <ram_einstein> no idea Drako60
[04:20] <Seveas> Drako60, try lsmod | grep usb
[04:21] <Seveas> does usb_storage show up?
[04:21] <Seveas> i meant ram_einstein there ofcourse..
[04:21] <Funraiser> i saw this one coming
[04:21] <ram_einstein> Seveas, sorry, my terminal just *crashed* and won't start up anymore!
[04:22] <bluefoxicy> kestas:  because a watch doesn't have a pre-programmed setting for green tea
[04:22] <bluefoxicy> and neither do i
[04:23] <TJORVEN> how do i treat .rpm files?
[04:23] <bluefoxicy> TJORVEN:  with extreme prejudice
[04:23] <frogger^> :)
[04:23] <TJORVEN> :)
[04:23] <Drako60> TJORVEN, use alien
[04:23] <TJORVEN> what kind of file is it?
[04:24] <Drako60> TJORVEN, alien converts rpm packages to deb packages
[04:24] <Funraiser> TJORVEN, it means red hat packet manager
[04:24] <eleusis> package
[04:24] <Funraiser> yes
[04:24] <TJORVEN> ok
[04:24] <Funraiser> but u can convert it using alien
[04:25] <ram_einstein> okay, here's the output of lsmod | grep usb
[04:25] <ram_einstein> usb_stroage
[04:25] <ram_einstein> scsi_mod
[04:25] <ram_einstein> usbcore
[04:25] <ram_einstein> ide_core
[04:25] <ram_einstein> any ideas?
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libstdc++6-dev_3.4.3-13ubuntu4_amd64.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/gcc-3.4-base/C++/README.libstdc++-baseline', which is also in package libstdc++6-0-dev
[04:26] <Shufla> hi :D
[04:26] <Ize> any idea what "mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device" is supposed to mean ? when trying to maunt Floppy disc.
[04:27] <xodeus> Hello everyone
[04:27] <ram_einstein> Ize, bad floppy disk. get a new one
[04:27] <xodeus> I've an apt-get issue, can anyone help. More info on this here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35018
[04:27] <Shufla> Ize: dmesg | tail
[04:27] <Ize> it dosnt even try to read from the floppy drive.. hehe
[04:28] <misieq> anyone knows good PS2 emulator?
[04:28] <Shufla> hahaha :D
[04:28] <dlh> misieq, epsxe or smthn like that
[04:28] <Shufla> i'll test raid-1 with grub :D
[04:29] <misieq> dlh, PS2
[04:29] <dlh> misieq, oops.. dunno :>
[04:29] <Funraiser> could it be a format issue? (the floppy prob)
[04:29] <xodeus> anyone?
[04:29] <Shufla> Ize: did you read the dmesg?
[04:29] <Drako60> xodeus, i can't read it, don't know danish
[04:30] <Funraiser> lol
[04:30] <Shufla> brb
[04:30] <Ize> dmesg ? been 7-8 years since i last been near a linux box.. lol
[04:30] <xodeus> Drako60, okay, I've an english traslation. brb
[04:31] <Shufla> re
[04:31] <fabio_85> Hello guys
[04:32] <fabio_85> guys, does somebody here use No-IP on their linux boxes?
[04:32] <xodeus> Drako60, E: Problem parsing dependency Depends
[04:32] <xodeus> E: Error occured while processing ubuntu-desktop (NewVersion1)
[04:32] <xodeus> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status
[04:32] <xodeus> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[04:32] <dcraven> Ize: Does "lsmod | grep floppy" output anything?
[04:33] <xodeus> the thread is now updated
[04:33] <Drako60> is there a switch for free to check drive space?
[04:33] <Ize> gimme  min.. had to shut it down.. hehe
[04:33] <Shufla> Drako60: df -h?
[04:33] <dcraven> Ize: Okay.
[04:34] <Drako60> Shufla, i knew that one but i was looking for something like free -m
[04:34] <xodeus> Drako60, have a solution?
[04:34] <Drako60> xodeus, are you using sudo?
[04:34] <fabio_85> guys, any one with no-ip knowledge?
[04:34] <xodeus> Yes I'm using sudo
[04:34] <dcraven> The output of df is almost identical to free -m... No?
[04:34] <Drako60> xodeus, and you might try apt-get update
[04:35] <Shufla> hehe
[04:35] <Shufla> i'm killing my system :D
[04:35] <xodeus> Drako60, It updates fine and the output is like mentioned
[04:35] <Drako60> dcraven, yes pretty much but i wanted another program to veiw disk space, considering my unusal problem
[04:36] <Drako60> veiw=view
[04:36] <dcraven> Drako60: I doubt df is lieing. ;P
[04:36] <Shufla> dcraven: afair df can lie
[04:36] <dcraven> Is that how you spell lieing? Doesn't look right to me.
[04:36] <dcraven> lying? No.
[04:37] <Funraiser> lying
[04:37] <dcraven> Funraiser: Isn't that as in, positioned prone?
[04:37] <dcraven> haha
[04:37] <ovalenti> I'm trying to download ubuntu-5.04-live with bittorrent but the tracker refuses connection... is it normal ?
[04:37] <cidr> When trying to start fsviewer I just get: "fsviewer warning: ICONDIR not found: /usr/GNUstep/Apps/FSViewer.app" What do I do?
[04:37] <Drako60> xodeus, i don't know unless there is permissions or no space left
[04:38] <Drako60> well Shufla df might be able to lie, but i doubt it would lie by 93GBs
[04:38] <xodeus> Drako60, What can I do then? I've thousands of megs free space
[04:39] <xodeus> ovalenti, try some other mirrors then
[04:39] <ovalenti> xodeus: isn't the torrent file the same on all mirrors ?
[04:40] <xodeus> ovalenti, what about direct ftp transfer from a mirror? Get one near you @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[04:41] <xodeus> To all new. I've an issue with apt-get more info on this here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35018
[04:41] <Drako60> what is the definition of parsing
[04:41] <Funraiser> ovalenti, technically it should be, but sometimes i've heard that some mirrors don't update as fast as the other ones, and could be different, not sur though
[04:41] <Funraiser> sure*
[04:41] <ovalenti> xodeus: they seam really, really overloaded.... I get few byte/s and the data connection breaks
[04:41] <Seveas> Drako60, interpreting text
[04:41] <TJORVEN> ok package is converted but what to do with the .deb file??
[04:42] <xodeus> ovalenti, hmm that's weird. I'm getting the iso very fast from the danish mirror
[04:42] <ovalenti> Funraiser: I see
[04:42] <berkes> any kubuntu users here?
[04:42] <ovalenti> xodeus: lets try danish mirror :P
[04:42] <xodeus> berkes, kubuntu help in kubuntu
[04:42] <xodeus> berkes, kubuntu help in #kubuntu
[04:42] <berkes> #kubuntu
[04:42] <xodeus> berkes, sry
[04:42] <berkes> ups
[04:43] <xodeus> berkes, np
[04:43] <Seveas> xodeus, try ls -al /var/lib/dpkg/status
[04:44] <Funraiser> TJORVEN, now type sudo dpkg -i yourfilename.deb
[04:44] <xodeus> Seveas, -rw-r--r--  1 root root 788958 2005-05-16 17:50 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[04:44] <ovalenti> xodeus: I can't find danish mirror on web site.... could you please give me the URL ?
[04:45] <TJORVEN> thanks
[04:45] <Seveas> xodeus, try opening it with a text editor to see whether it looks right
[04:45] <Funraiser> TJORVEN, of course type that once in the directory having the file
[04:45] <cidr> Could anyone help me with my fsviewer problem, please?
[04:47] <Seveas> cidr, what is the problem?
[04:47] <cidr> When trying to start fsviewer I just get: "fsviewer warning: ICONDIR not found: /usr/GNUstep/Apps/FSViewer.app" What do I do?
[04:47] <Drako60> hmm another 15 minutes or so and i'll see if this write problem corrects itself
[04:47] <cidr> I have already googled and searched the forums but without finding anything.
[04:47] <xodeus> ovalenti, sorry it's swedish but here http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/ getting the iso with 157 kb/sek
[04:47] <xodeus> Seveas, it's a huge file, but it looks okay.
[04:48] <hussam> [joke]  hey guys, can somebody confirm this is an authentic Micro$hit windows bootscreen http://img175.echo.cx/img175/9849/lh16bit5oq.jpg
[04:48] <Seveas> xodeus, try to find the ubuntu-desktop package in there
[04:48] <mod^> with what program I can "mass" encode waw files? (waw to mp3) please, don't say lame
[04:48] <maswan> ovalenti: it should be fast enough for danish use too
[04:48] <Seveas> hussam, confirmed :)
[04:48] <ovalenti> xodeus: thankx
[04:48] <jeroen_> hussam, no I can't
[04:48] <Seveas> cidr, which gnustep packages did you install?
[04:48] <xodeus> Seveas, anything else?
[04:49] <jeroen_> hussam, why 16bit?
[04:49] <Drako60> hussam, thats a nice boot screen
[04:49] <Funraiser> hussam, excellent
[04:49] <cidr> Seveas: Is there any easy way to check? I installed a bunch of them.
[04:50] <Seveas> dpkg -l *gnustep*
[04:50] <Seveas> dpkg -l *.app*
[04:50] <toran> hey guys, I have a question- every time I apt-get install something, it changes my system menu. I'm using fluxbox, with a highly customized menu, and i don't want my menu changed all the time. How do I stop this from happnening?
[04:50] <Seveas> or synaptic :)
[04:50] <hussam> jeroen_: I thought 16-bit would make a nice touch.
[04:50] <Funraiser> lol
[04:50] <Funraiser> the windows touch
[04:50] <Seveas> toran, you cannot. If a package defines a .desktop file, it will be installed
[04:50] <Shufla> toran: apt-cache show menu . it's menu package not support (afair) by ubuntu
[04:51] <jeroen_> hussam, you should show cowshit on the bootscreen
[04:51] <hussam> jeroen_: indeed
[04:51] <toran> Shufla: so, if I uninstall menu then it won't do that?
[04:51] <nxvl> hi
[04:51] <mod^> hi
[04:51] <nxvl> there are some Ubuntu-developers here??
[04:52] <fabio_85> nxvl, hi
[04:52] <Seveas> nxvl, yes
[04:52] <xodeus> Anyone?
[04:52] <Q_Continuum> how do I enable dual-display?  I configured it for it using the fglrxcontrol
[04:52] <fabio_85> guys, I need help with No-Ip
[04:52] <Shufla> toran: yes. afair fluxbox do not support .desktop files, but i may be wrong
[04:53] <toran> btw, what does "afair" mean?
[04:53] <Drako60> robertj, as far as i recall
[04:53] <toran> I'm familiar with "afaik", and other abreviations, but I've never seen that one
[04:53] <Drako60> opps
[04:53] <nxvl> Seveas: i have just had 2 problems with some packets and i think i found the solution
[04:53] <toran> oh, thanks
[04:53] <cidr> Seveas: ".apps": cynthiune, login mixer, preview, volume, wmppp. "gnustep-stuff": gnustep-back, gnustep-base-c, gnustep-base-d, gnustep-base-e, gnustep-base1, gnustep-gui-co, gnustep-gui-do, gnustep-gui0, gnustep-icons, gnustep-make, gnustep-make-d, gnustep-ppd, gnustep-ssl, gnustep-xgps0, libgnustep-bas, libgnustep-gui. Took me a while to write them down.
[04:53] <Drako60> toran, sorry
[04:53] <toran> np :P
[04:53] <toran> I do it too
[04:54] <nxvl> Seveas: did u speak spanish??
[04:54] <jeroen_> toran, sudo apt-get bsd-games
[04:54] <jeroen_> toran, wtf is afair
[04:54] <Gog> as far as I remember
[04:54] <jeroen_> Gog, wtf says it's recall
[04:55] <toran> wait a sec
[04:55] <Gog> remember/recall same thing really :)
[04:55] <toran> I try apt-get remove menu, and it wants to remove fluxbox too
[04:55] <toran> ><
[04:55] <nxvl> fabio_85: are u a Ubuntu developer too?
[04:55] <Funraiser> jeroen_, u mean an affair is to fuck what?
[04:55] <jeroen_> Funraiser: jeroen@ubuntu:~$ wtf is affair
[04:55] <jeroen_> Gee...  I don't know what affair means...
[04:56] <fabio_85> nxvl, not but I program here and there just in my free time
[04:56] <factorx> hey guys, i built a new kernel and now everything crashes right after the gnome splash screen. whats wrong?
[04:56] <Shufla> http://bajtek.ankom.net/~shufla/QEMU1.png - and do not call me crazy :D
[04:56] <nxvl> fabio_85: mmm, ok, i need to talk tu the Ubuntu Developers
[04:57] <fabio_85> nvxl, how come I may ask?
[04:58] <EtherNet> hello guys I am having a problem with sound.. I choose libesd under xmms, and it plays the file.. I see the audiorythm, but I don't listen anything.. volume is up...
[04:58] <EtherNet> which is the problem ?
[04:58] <tbasten> hey all
[04:58] <tbasten> i am having some issues with locales
[04:58] <jeroen_> EtherNet, it's xmms only?
[04:58] <olimar> Hi all I'm trying to burn an ubuntu iso on a cd but as I didn't use windows for years I don't have any idea who to do this!!!
[04:58] <olimar> any help please?
[04:58] <xodeus> To all new. I've an issue with apt-get more info on this here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35018
[04:58] <EtherNet> jeroen_, I didn't listen anything yet.. I installed ubuntu yesterday
[04:59] <jeroen_> olimar, with windows, you'll need a burning program
[04:59] <olimar> I have nero 6 installed but after the first session I got a simple copy of the iso burned!
[04:59] <jeroen_> olimar, most are shareware
[04:59] <tbasten> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[04:59] <tbasten> ?
[04:59] <tbasten> how do i fix it
[04:59] <jeroen_> olimar, can't you right click the iso and select "burn Cd-image"?
[04:59] <K_Dallas> olimar: get a hold of easyburning
[04:59] <olimar> jeroen I downloaded nero 6 but as saidit simply burns the iso and doesn't unpack it
[04:59] <Funraiser> olimar, u have to select, burn an image
[04:59] <olimar> ok
[05:00] <jeroen_> EtherNet, well, try to figure out if it's an xmms issue or something broader
[05:00] <izicrekte> nero = ************
[05:00] <K_Dallas> (easyburning is port of cdrecord etc for windows) and free
[05:00] <Funraiser> yeah but he is on windows
[05:00] <EtherNet> jeroen_, card is detected, in sound mixer, it appears
[05:00] <Funraiser> i'll use k3b soon
[05:00] <olimar> jeroen no I can't but I'll try funraisers tip and if that doesn't work I'll try Dallases wone
[05:00] <K_Dallas> and it is for windows ;)
[05:00] <EtherNet> jeroen_, no idea?
[05:00] <Funraiser> i mean he'll use k3b soon
[05:00] <jeroen_> EtherNet, can you play music with things other than xmms? Do you hear sounds when you log in?
[05:00] <jeroen_> EtherNet, and sounds when you click stuff?
[05:00] <EtherNet> jeroen_, no sounds
[05:01] <EtherNet> jeroen_, any sound.
[05:01] <xodeus> Shit. I think that I'm going to reinstall ubuntu again... But I really would like to know how to fix it.
[05:02] <jeroen_> EtherNet, have you checked sound preferences?
[05:02] <Funraiser> xodeus, in a nutshell what's your apt-get prob?
[05:02] <jeroen_> Funraiser, see his forum post
[05:02] <justin> xodeus: compare /var/backups/dpkg.status* and  /var/lib/dpkg/status
[05:02] <EtherNet> jeroen_, there are 2 checks, for enabing sounds server. and it's already
[05:02] <jeroen_> Funraiser, it's detailed enough
[05:03] <tbasten> since i have install perl, i am getting issues with my locales, whenever i start a program i saying "perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C")."
[05:03] <jeroen_> EtherNet, sorry, can't help you; I don't know enough about sounds
[05:03] <EtherNet> jeroen_, :( okas, thanks anyways
[05:03] <xodeus> Funraiser, everytime I'm trying to use apt-get I get this errors: : Problem parsing dependency Depends
[05:03] <xodeus> E: Error occured while processing ubuntu-desktop (NewVersion1)
[05:03] <xodeus> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status
[05:03] <xodeus> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[05:03] <xodeus> justin how to?
[05:03] <kestas> EtherNet: first killall -9 esd
[05:03] <Hoxzer> What is good software for listening internet radio?
[05:04] <kestas> EtherNet: then go into a terminal and cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[05:04] <jeroen_> Hoxzer, beep-media-player
[05:04] <kestas> EtherNet: if theres no sound then type alsamixer and tell us what happens
[05:04] <Funraiser> Jeroen_, afair as far as i recall
[05:04] <Hoxzer> ok... can I browse radio stations directly in it?
[05:04] <jeroen_> Funraiser, I know; wtf told me (bsd-games program)
[05:04] <Funraiser> k
[05:04] <jeroen_> Hoxzer, no
[05:04] <Funraiser> i have it too
[05:04] <cidr> Are there any other good NeXT fileviewer lookalikes besides FSViewer (which doesn't start)?
[05:04] <olimar> uh well select burn image gave me an image of the image...
[05:05] <Hoxzer> aah with what I can do so?
[05:05] <jeroen_> Funraiser, we need a GUI for it though.. integrated in gnome-panel perhaps :p
[05:05] <xodeus> justin, the /var/backups/dpkg.status is empty
[05:05] <tbasten> since i have install perl, i am getting issues with my locales, whenever i start a program i saying "perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C")."
[05:05] <EtherNet> kestas, let's try
[05:05] <Drako60> dcraven, i don't know what happened, closed all my terminals and mozilla and now everything is writable again
[05:05] <EtherNet> kestas, no sound cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[05:06] <xodeus> Funraiser, the same prob?
[05:06] <kestas> EtherNet: what happens when you type alsamixer?
[05:06] <Funraiser> olimar, recorder/burn image
[05:06] <kestas> EtherNet: do you have more than one sound card?
[05:06] <EtherNet> kestas, it loads a volume utility for console
[05:06] <kestas> EtherNet: is it all turned up?
[05:06] <EtherNet> yeah all up
[05:06] <kestas> EtherNet: is the sound card on, plugged in etc?
[05:06] <olimar> Funraiser that's what I did and I got an image file again!
[05:06] <kestas> EtherNet: is the sound card 5.1 or just stereo and headphones?
[05:06] <EtherNet> kestas, yeah.. other linuxes works,a nd windows.
[05:07] <EtherNet> kestas, it's an onboard one.. common cmpci
[05:07] <EtherNet> detected by whatever os
[05:07] <jeroen_> EtherNet, could be an esd problem than
[05:07] <Funraiser> olimar, one sec i launch nerolinux
[05:07] <EtherNet> jeroen_, strange.. cause other linuxes works..
[05:07] <kestas> nope not if cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp doesnt work
[05:07] <kestas> its not esd
[05:07] <dcraven> Drako60: hehe.. Cool?
[05:07] <olimar> ok thanx
[05:07] <EtherNet> kestas, sure.. it doesn't do anything
[05:07] <kestas> so when you do /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp it does nothing?
[05:07] <Drako60> dcraven, don't ask me why it did that because its beyond me
[05:07] <EtherNet> nothing
[05:08] <kestas> it doesnt stop straight away or give an error?
[05:08] <EtherNet> I jut have to push ctrl +c to stop
[05:08] <kestas> k
[05:08] <EtherNet> kestas, no error
[05:08] <kestas> hmmm
[05:08] <EtherNet> so that.. it looks like it works
[05:08] <tbasten> since i have install perl, i am getting issues with my locales, whenever i start a program i saying "perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C")."
[05:08] <EtherNet> but there is something disabling it... for going out to the speakers
[05:08] <Funraiser> olimar, the file that u downloaded is an ISO right?
[05:08] <dcraven> Drako60: Whatever works :)
[05:08] <Drako60> EtherNet, are you using OSS or Alsa?
[05:08] <olimar> yep
[05:08] <EtherNet> Drako60, what is the default?? I installed ubuntu yesterday
[05:08] <jeroen_> tbasten, I have no idea, but maybe perl doesn't support you locale, so falls back to C?
[05:09] <dcraven> I think I'll go play etf for a while..
[05:09] <kestas> EtherNet: try cat /proc/asound/cars
[05:09] <Drako60> EtherNet, i'm not sure i think Alsa
[05:09] <kestas> EtherNet: try cat /proc/asound/cards
[05:09] <jeroen_> tbasten, is it a problem?
[05:09] <EtherNet> 0 [SI7012         ] : ICH - SiS SI7012
[05:09] <EtherNet>                      SiS SI7012 with CMI9761 at 0xe200, irq 18
[05:09] <Ize> any way to run a dos .exe file in Ubuntu Live version ?
[05:09] <kestas> hmm thats the same one as I had problems with in my sisters computer
[05:09] <EtherNet> Ize, dosemule
[05:09] <kestas> I had the exact same prob
[05:09] <kestas> couldnt figure it out though
[05:09] <kestas> its a weird one
[05:09] <EtherNet> kestas, heheh.. damn.. I could under KDE by using artsd...
[05:10] <kestas> what you should do is go into a linux that works and get all the settings
[05:10] <Funraiser> olimar, hold on
[05:10] <EtherNet> I just enabled I don't remember what in volume preference.. but here there is nothing
[05:10] <xodeus> hmm
[05:10] <kestas> Id be interested to hear whats wrong with it
[05:10] <fabio_85> guys what can u see if u visit this link?
[05:10] <fabio_85> http://urb85.no-ip.info/testphp.php
[05:10] <Drako60> EtherNet, you try alsamixer?
[05:10] <EtherNet> Drako60, yeah it loads
[05:10] <EtherNet> with no problem
[05:10] <EtherNet> a mixer under console
[05:10] <Drako60> dcraven, i found the source of the problem, Fire-fox
[05:11] <dcraven> Drako60: ???
[05:11] <Drako60> EtherNet, i know i have problems with esd i have to kill it befor i can have sound using OSS
[05:11] <Drako60> dcraven, with firefox open i can't write to the disk
[05:11] <jeroen_> fabio_85, it's not doing much for me..
[05:11] <EtherNet> Drako60, I did killall -9 esd
[05:11] <jeroen_> fabio_85, loading
[05:12] <fabio_85> jeroen
[05:12] <dcraven> Drako60: I've never heard of such a thing.
[05:12] <jeroen_> fabio_85, yeah?
[05:12] <fabio_85> jeroen_, thanks, I am trying to set up a website
[05:12] <dave> good afternoon all, I have a simple question.... can you have a different backgroud / icon layout on each of the 4 workspaces in ubuntu?  many thanks for your help
[05:12] <jeroen_> fabio_85, no problem, but eh.. it's not loading.. guess it will time out soon
[05:12] <kestas> dave fraid not
[05:13] <fabio_85> jeroen_, but having troubles with no-ip
[05:13] <dave> ok kestas, thanks for the quick response :)
[05:13] <fabio_85> jeroen_, could u try it again please?
[05:13] <jeroen_> fabio_85, what's your ip?
[05:13] <kestas> workspaces only change the windows, nothing else
[05:13] <morris_> What is the default root password for ubuntu ?
[05:13] <jeroen_> fabio_85, okay
[05:13] <jeroen_> morris_, there is none
[05:13] <Drako60> dcraven, me either it makes me wonder what is going on, but i don't know how to trace it to the source
[05:13] <Funraiser> olimar, there is a tab with many options in the lower part, one says ISO options : choose bootable disc
[05:13] <EtherNet> morris_, try "Open root console"
[05:13] <fabio_85> jeroen_, should be 192.168.0.2  but I am using a router
[05:13] <olimar> ok
[05:13] <jeroen_> morris_, www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[05:14] <slept> where can i customize access for webmin ?
[05:14] <morris_> thanks guys
[05:14] <dcraven> dave: I think this program is supposed to give you that ability --> http://wallpapoz.sourceforge.net/
[05:14] <jeroen_> fabio_85, 192.168.xxx.xxx is internal
[05:14] <tbasten> Anyone use dual monitor
[05:14] <Funraiser> olimar, then in the first tab above, put there the iso file (u can find the file in the tree above)
[05:14] <fabio_85> jeroen_, oh u right, just a min then
[05:14] <olimar> ok
[05:14] <selinium> hi all, is it possible to record the sound from a stream from the net?
[05:15] <pnix> hi anyone can help me about GPG error
[05:15] <jeroen_> selinium, yes it is
[05:15] <Funraiser> olimar, burn
[05:15] <fabio_85> jeroen_, 81.153.12.125 this is the correct one, hopefully
[05:15] <jeroen_> selinium, there are special programs to do that
[05:15] <olimar> ok let's burn ;)
[05:15] <jeroen_> fabio_85, that looks better :)
[05:15] <morris_> I am pleased that this is running so well on a amd 650mhz boxen
[05:15] <fabio_85> jeroen_, ahah :)
[05:15] <jeroen_> fabio_85, does your router allow me to connect to your pc?
[05:15] <selinium> joreon_ can you suggest any?
[05:15] <slept> selinium, xmm -diskw riter plugin
[05:15] <kestas> jeroen_: could you make /dev/dsp a fifo pipe and play a sound, and have it save as a sound file?
[05:16] <jeroen_> kestas: I have no idea :p
[05:16] <fabio_85> jeroen_, but when I load on my pc, it shows the screen of my router settings
[05:16] <Funraiser> olimar, once in Ubuntu use an app called k3b for that
[05:16] <olimar> ok
[05:16] <Funraiser> it's free
[05:16] <olimar> well as I'm at it
[05:16] <jeroen_> fabio_85, that's because it connects to your router
[05:16] <olimar> I'll installl ubuntu on a dell inspiron 9300 (a notebook) anyone having problems/good imps?
[05:16] <Funraiser> olimar, you're on ubuntu?
[05:16] <olimar> no
[05:16] <fabio_85> jeroen_, do u know any way to modify that?
[05:16] <Funraiser> k
[05:16] <jeroen_> fabio_85, you need to "forward" port 80 from your computer to the outside world
[05:16] <selinium> slept: the stream is RealAudio, will xmm plugion work?
[05:17] <olimar> right now on windows
[05:17] <olimar> I bought a new laptop and so I want to get my beloved ubuntu running on it ;)
[05:17] <Drako60> what is gam_server?
[05:17] <fabio_85> jeroen_, uhmm, how to do that?
[05:17] <kestas> can you take a two way stereo audio jack, plug one end into the speaker output and one end into the microphone input?
[05:17] <dcraven> fabio_85: It's a router setting. Login to your router to do that.
[05:18] <kestas> and get the speaker output from the microphone?
[05:18] <fabio_85> dcraven, thanks a lot will try now then
[05:18] <jeroen_> fabio_85, connect to your router (192.168.something.something), log in with the password, search for an option like port forwarding
[05:18] <slept> selinium, don't know  can you play that stream with xmms ?
[05:18] <fabio_85> jeroen_, oh that's great, will do it now
[05:19] <jeroen_> fabio_85, I have it in NAT options; dunno if that helps
[05:19] <jeroen_> dcraven, what's etf?
[05:19] <yonil> can i mount 2 partitions to the same location ?
[05:19] <fabio_85> jeroen_, oh NAT, it helps cos I am seeing one just now
[05:20] <jeroen_> yonil, not at the same time
[05:20] <yonil> jeroen_, hmmm then, is there a way to extend the memory allocated to a partition (without deleting its content) ?
[05:20] <jeroen_> yonil, you want to merge 2 partitions, right? ;)
[05:21] <olimar> ok worked I'll try to install ubuntu
[05:21] <yonil> jeroen_, heh yeah but one is empty which might be an advantage :P
[05:21] <jeroen_> yonil, there are several apps for that; like gparted, qtpared, parted
[05:21] <selinium> slept: doesn't look like it, It just keeps pre-buffering. Ar$e :)
[05:21] <yonil> jeroen_, hmmm i didnt find where to do that in gparted
[05:21] <Funraiser> gparted doens't do that like in partition magic right?
[05:21] <jeroen_> I think it's possible with gparted
[05:21] <jeroen_> not sure though
[05:22] <yonil> ok, ill try
[05:22] <jeroen_> if the one partition is empty, just delete it and extend the other partition
[05:22] <fabio_85> jeroen_, damn, can't find it, then only thing seems to be like Dynamic DNS
[05:22] <Drako60> dcraven, ok i was wrong its not firefox
[05:22] <jeroen_> fabio_85, keep on searching :p
[05:22] <rj`> anyone here running pearpc on ubuntu? -- im trying to setup the networking portion and having problems
[05:22] <jeroen_> fabio_85, check all options ;)
[05:22] <fabio_85> jeroen_, :))
[05:23] <Funraiser> you DO can resize with qtparted,just checked
[05:24] <Drako60> what is gam_server?
[05:24] <jeroen_> Drako60, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/234318
[05:24] <jeroen_> Drako60, http://justfuckingoogleit.com
[05:24] <slept> how can I use webmin without an root user ?
[05:25] <gangalee> how do I remove RealPlayer from Hoary?
[05:25] <jeroen_> Drako60, http://justfuckinggoogleit.com
[05:25] <jeroen_> gangalee, open synaptic and search for real
[05:25] <Drako60> yes yes i see it
[05:25] <morris_> ooo i like up2date
[05:25] <morris_> works better than when i tried it on fedora core
[05:26] <fabio_85> jeroen_, I found this http://81.153.12.125:8080 but it seems to be under the "Remote Admin" section
[05:26] <jeroen_> fabio_85, I don't think that's it
[05:27] <CrippsFX> I just installed ubuntu, but it never prompted me for a root password, and now I can't login as root to change settings. can someone help me?
[05:27] <slept> sudo
[05:27] <tbasten> How do i get ubuntu to utilise my swap partition?
[05:27] <fabio_85> jeroen_, ok
[05:27] <CrippsFX> sudo doesn't help me unless I already have a root password.
[05:28] <fabio_85> jeroen_, and I don't expect to be on virtual servers either
[05:28] <slept> no
[05:28] <CrippsFX> so, the real question is, how do I find out my root password?
[05:28] <tbasten> How do i get ubuntu to utilise my swap partition?
[05:28] <blake_> hellow i just instaled webmin and just figured out how to get to the login page from the web but....
[05:29] <_hp_> how do i tell synaptic to ignore my "broken" gimp ?
[05:29] <fabio_85> jeroen_, oh and is seems to be using PPOE connection method, is that any difference?
[05:29] <blake_> it won't let me get in with root and pasword
[05:29] <jeroen_> CrippsFX, www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[05:29] <blake_> can someone help me?
[05:29] <jeroen_> fabio_85, ppoe is for adsl
[05:29] <fabio_85> jeroen_, ok
[05:30] <slept> blake_, I'm looking for the same thing - but you don't have a rootpasswd
[05:30] <yurtesen> does anybody know any good pdf reader for kde?
[05:30] <jeroen_> slept, blake_, isn't there a "default" password?
[05:30] <blake_> i have a root password
[05:30] <slept> blake_, so it should work
[05:30] <CrippsFX> jeroen_, ahhh ... I see. hm. I'll setup my root user then ;)
[05:31] <CrippsFX> ... I much prefer having an su term open all the time.
[05:31] <blake_> i don't know it says the default is your own root password
[05:31] <blake_> i kno wbut it dosent
[05:31] <Riddell> yure: kpdf
[05:31] <tbasten> How do i get ubuntu to utilise my swap partition?
[05:31] <blake_> and the user name says it should be root
[05:31] <slept> tbasten, swapon /dev/hd..
[05:32] <blake_> i do that and it dosen't work
[05:32] <Q_Continuum> what does 1 long repeating beep mean on startup of a non-booting PC?  remind me...
[05:32] <CrippsFX> slept, jeroen_ , thank you.
[05:32] <slept> blake_, you can login in your system with root  ?
[05:33] <blake_> yeah....... i think at startup it makes me
[05:33] <factorx> I made a new kernel but now right after the gnome splash screen a kernel panic occurs, that says: "kernel panic - not syncing". what can I do?
[05:33] <slept> tbasten, and you can add it to fstab
[05:33] <blake_> and sudo i login to that
[05:33] <blake_> just fine
[05:33] <fabio_85> jeroen_, anyway, is there another port I will be able to use?
[05:33] <jeroen_> fabio_85, maybe setup "dimilitarised zone"
[05:33] <Badness45> my vlc has no sound while playing
[05:34] <tbasten> slept, ta, it seems to be mounted, its just that 0% is always beeing used when my memory is full
[05:34] <slept> blake_, if you sudo you have no rootpasswd - you only get one with sudo passwd - but thats not recomended
[05:35] <slept> tbasten, did you look with cat /proc/swaps ?
[05:35] <fabio_85> jeroen_, ok, oh and I saw that a guy was using his IP with a :1000 at the end of his IP so it could use it instead of the port 80
[05:35] <blake_> i'm the owner of this computer and the onlly user on it....shouldn't my password be my the root password?
[05:35] <jeroen_> :1000 just means "port 1000"
[05:35] <jeroen_> blake_, hell no!
[05:35] <slept> blake_, no it's your passwd
[05:36] <sig> bob2: go to http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com there is a ton of suspend, sleep, to disk/ram bugs
[05:36] <blake_> wht i'm saying is ........
[05:36] <tbasten> slept, how do i chick
[05:36] <tbasten> chekc*
[05:36] <jeroen_> yeah? :p
[05:36] <tbasten> chech*
[05:36] <blake_> do i need to go into lunix and creat a seprate root password?
[05:36] <jeroen_> blake_, no
[05:36] <samuel> sup all
[05:37] <jeroen_> blake_, www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[05:37] <blake_> oooh
[05:37] <blake_> ok
[05:37] <Funraiser> check
[05:37] <Funraiser> :-)
[05:37] <jeroen_> I'm fine, thanks, samuel
[05:37] <slept> tbasten, with cat like I told you before
[05:38] <tbasten> slept, yeah, its there
[05:38] <Shufla> re
[05:38] <samuel> are there any reasons that the screen resolution might change without changing it? i also seem to have lost the option to shutdown/reboot on the login? i can do it from the login screen but nothing else?
[05:38] <Shufla> is there any nice gpg frontend for gnome? to manage keys, etc? bo not gnome-gpg :D
[05:38] <fabio_85> jeroen_, yes port 1000, so I was supposing to use a similar approach
[05:39] <fabio_85> jeroen_, I mean maybe using a different port then the 80
[05:40] <jeroen_> fabio_85, your router probably has a firewall; you need to disable it for some ports
[05:40] <Funraiser> samuel, is it an old screen?
[05:40] <samuel> /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the config file?
[05:40] <Keizer> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[05:40] <samuel> Funraiser, no, its a laptop, same one i had yesterday!!!
[05:40] <Shufla> shit. gpgp :D
[05:40] <slept> Keizer, did you add the key for nerim
[05:40] <factorx> I made a new kernel but now right after the gnome splash screen a kernel panic occurs, that says: "kernel panic - not syncing". what can I do?
[05:40] <Shufla> Keizer: www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:40] <fabio_85> jeroen_, oh yes a firewall, u right!!!!
[05:41] <Shufla> factorx: u made kernel debianish way?
[05:41] <factorx> Shufla: yes, I did
[05:41] <samuel> Funraiser, looking at the config file only the normal resolution seems to be there!
[05:41] <Shufla> factorx: hm. few last lines from dmesg are needed
[05:41] <factorx> using make-kpkg
[05:41] <samuel> what gives?
[05:42] <Shufla> factorx: go through developer docs about kernel. i think that ubuntu kernel is very patched
[05:42] <factorx> Shufla: how can I read dmesg after kernel panic?
[05:42] <Shufla> factorx: when it panics?
[05:42] <blake_> i created a root password
[05:42] <Shufla> factorx: after mounting root?
[05:42] <blake_> and wen't back in and tryed to re login
[05:42] <jeroen_> fabio_85, brb
[05:43] <fabio_85> jeroen_, ok
[05:43] <factorx> Shufla: well, when it panics I can't give any commands to the system, can I?
[05:43] <Funraiser> samuel, it changes everytime you reboot?
[05:43] <Shufla> factorx: not exactly, but ok. when it panics?
[05:43] <blake_> wait do i ned to login to my computer as root???????
[05:43] <blake_> brb............ i'm gonna try iy
[05:43] <blake_> it
[05:44] <CrippsFX> well .... that's weird.
[05:44] <factorx> Shufla: right after loading gnome, just before I get control over the user interface. login is possible though
[05:44] <Shufla> factorx: huuuuuuuuuuuuuh?!?!?!?! impossibile... ok, write down messages
[05:44] <factorx> Shufla: just after the splash screen
[05:45] <Keizer> What's the command to update everything on my system?
[05:45] <Shufla> Keizer: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:45] <factorx> Shufla: okay, I will reproduce the error. brb
[05:45] <morris_> is sshd started out of the box?
[05:45] <Keizer> Shufla, Thanks pimp
[05:46] <Shufla> pimp?
[05:46] <Keizer> Thanks Champ
[05:46] <Shufla> morris_: afair no. check with lsof -ni4 | grep -i listen | grep ssh
[05:46] <CrippsFX> I am using a Toshiba a10 laptop, with all generic intel hardware, and a celeron IV 2Ghz processor, and I decided to see how long my comp would last on battery power. So, I unplugged the ac cord, and the battery monitor told me something like 1 hour 37 minutes ..... 5 minutes later it gave me the low battery warning. FC3 and FC2 did the same thing, but windows always lasts at least 1 1/2 hours, maybe 2 hours tops ..... does anybody know wha
[05:46] <CrippsFX> t *could* be the problem?
[05:46] <slept> blake_,  /usr/share/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root  "the_password_of_your_choice" solves the problem with webmin
[05:46] <Shufla> morris_: to check where is ssh server type apt-cache search ssh server
[05:47] <sig> CrippsFX: did you leave it on to see if it would have lasted longer than the 5 minute warning?
[05:47] <morris_> Shufla: First command returned NULL, second returned:  ssh - Secure shell client and server (transitional package)
[05:47] <jeroen_> fabio_85, back :)
[05:47] <CrippsFX> sig, not this time. It would have, but I don't know how much longer .... besides, the battery monitor *should* work.
[05:47] <sig> "should"
[05:48] <CrippsFX> sig, lol.
[05:48] <CrippsFX> yeah, kk. I'll unplug and time it. when I'm gone, you know it's the battery ;)
[05:48] <Shufla> morris_: so ubuntu do not have default ssh server. and ssh server is in openssh-server
[05:48] <g0dot> is there a preferred way of installing wine under ubuntu? can't find it in the packet manager
[05:49] <jeroen_> hey, fabio_85, try to find someone else to find you if you can't figure it out by yourself - I'm going to play wesnoth
[05:49] <jeroen_> g0dot, you need universe
[05:49] <morris_> thanks
[05:49] <Shufla> g0dot: www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:49] <jeroen_> g0dot, ask someone - i'm off
[05:49] <Hoxzer> how I can install mp3 support for rhythmbox?
[05:49] <g0dot> thanks
[05:49] <gangalee> how do you uninstall apps in Hoary?
[05:49] <Shufla> Hoxzer: search for it on www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:49] <Shufla> gangalee: use synaptic
[05:49] <Xappe> Hoxzer: gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:49] <fabio_85> jeroen_, will do, anyway, thanks a lot for your time! :)
[05:50] <waterbeetle> /topic #
[05:50] <morris_> is there a way to update the package tree, like erm. emerge sync
[05:50] <Shufla> please read some documentation. _please_
[05:50] <Shufla> morris_: sudo apt-get update
[05:50] <Hoxzer> Xappe: is that just unother program or will it install that support for rhythm box?
[05:50] <morris_> shufla, thanks again
[05:50] <waterbeetle> /topic #
[05:50] <Xappe> Hoxzer: it will install mp3-support for gstreamer
[05:51] <Hoxzer> ok..
[05:51] <Xappe> Hoxzer: and rythmbox uses gstreamer...
[05:51] <Funraiser> so TJORVEN did it work?
[05:51] <Hoxzer> ok I unterstand
[05:51] <TJORVEN> jupp
[05:51] <Funraiser> cool
[05:51] <g14> Get gstreamer0.8-plugins from the multiverse repository. That will install all of the gstreamer plugins including mp3 support
[05:51] <TJORVEN> but now i have a problem
[05:51] <Funraiser> who doesn't?
[05:52] <TJORVEN> :)
[05:52] <Funraiser> ;-)
[05:52] <stuNNed>  /win 2
[05:52] <stuNNed> sorry
[05:52] <TJORVEN> get the Direct x and/or newst drivers isnt installed
[05:52] <TJORVEN> when running wine
[05:52] <Zotnix> OUch
[05:52] <Zotnix> Oops
[05:52] <Zotnix> wrong channel
[05:53] <cusco> is there ani traffic shaper tool that says port y has x upload and por k has z upload?
[05:53] <cusco> *any*
[05:54] <pestilence> cusco: have you tried "wonder shaper"?
[05:54] <TJORVEN> i try to upgrade to newest nvidia dricers!
[05:54] <cusco> pestilence: yes Im using it now, but it doesnt define ports
[05:54] <cusco> :(
[05:55] <dead^> hi all. i have a problem with harddrive. i have FAT32 on slave, but i don't know where is it.
[05:55] <pestilence> cusco: hrmm...i thought i had used it at one time for that specific purpose
[05:55] <CrippsFX> dead^, sudo fdisk -l
[05:55] <factorx> Shufla: i am back with my kernel panic problem: after the gnome login my second terminal (ctrl+alt+f2) is flooded with: "scheduling while atomic: gam_server/0xffffffff/7054" and then the kernel panic occurs: "kernel panic - not syncing; aiee, killing interrupt handler"
[05:55] <mjr> dead^, if it's a slave on a primary controller, most likely /dev/hdb1 (the first partition thereof)
[05:56] <cusco> pestilence: Im using it now... I have read the manual.. it doesn't define ports
[05:56] <pestilence> cusco: have they changed it?
[05:56] <chocoIate> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowto <-- here it says specifically "To get working ISDN support with an AVM Fritz PCI card" does this mean that any other ISDN modem is not supported in linux :o
[05:56] <pestilence> cusco: the version i have defines ports right at the top.
[05:56] <Shufla> factorx: hm. sorry. no ide. try to start topic on ubuntuforums.org
[05:56] <Shufla> idea
[05:56] <factorx> okay, thank you anyway
[05:57] <pestilence> cusco: no, they haven't.  have you tried modifying the file "wshaper"?
[05:58] <cusco> pestilence: what do you mean?
[05:58] <cusco> what file?
[05:59] <pestilence> cusco: the wshaper script
[05:59] <chocoIate> does anybody know why --->> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowto <-- here it says specifically "To get working ISDN support with an AVM Fritz PCI card" does this mean that any other ISDN modem is not supported in linux :o
[05:59] <pestilence> cusco: probably /etc/init.d/wshaper
[05:59] <phend> factorx, i think thats an inotify problem
[05:59] <phend> factorx, try booting with inotify disabled
[05:59] <chocoIate> can someone confirm that only AVM Fritz PCI card is supported in linux :o
[05:59] <factorx> phend: how can I do that?
[05:59] <pestilence> cusco: how did you install wonder shaper?
[06:00] <Funraiser> chocoIate, it's hard to believe
[06:00] <cusco> pestilence: there isn't such file... I have installed wondershaper from apt... there is a wondershaper file at /sbin/
[06:00] <cusco> thats all...
[06:00] <cusco> pestilence: tru apt
[06:00] <pestilence> cusco: oh.  then look at sbin/wondershaper
[06:01] <phend> factorx, in the kernel entry in your grub file i think you just put noinotify
[06:01] <chocoIate> who else beside me got an ISDN modem and has successfully got it working on ubuntu linux :o
[06:01] <pestilence> cusco: you want to edit things like "NOPRIOHOSTSRC"
[06:02] <CrippsFX> any warnings against enabling "mu;tiverse restricted" to my apt sources?
[06:02] <CrippsFX> *multiverse
[06:02] <dead^> do i have to mount the other harddrive to get it open
[06:02] <dead^> ?
[06:02] <pestilence> cusco: you may have to do much more serious modifications if you want to specify a rate, but it should be fairly straightforward if you read the script
[06:02] <phend> factorx, i just looked it up - it's "noinotify" on the kernel line. without quotes
[06:02] <factorx> phend: thank you, I will try that. what is inotify for usually?
[06:03] <Echylo> how do you run a .x86 file?
[06:04] <phend> factorx, it's a kernel module, for monitoring file changes
[06:04] <cusco> pestilence: im reading it.. thanks...! I might ask you some more if I miss something...
[06:04] <cusco> thanks
[06:04] <factorx> phend: will I get serious problems if it is disabled?
[06:04] <invisiblekid> hey, can someone tell me what options i need in my /etc/fstab ? i want to automount an existing hard drive partition at /home on startup
[06:04] <bintut> hello all..
[06:05] <teknoprep> hi all
[06:05] <teknoprep> is ubuntu pretty much debian
[06:05] <Funraiser> yes
[06:06] <samuel> i must confess... i wasnt quite sure about this business on no root acount... but i havnt missed it at all... sudo is quite nice...
[06:06] <invisiblekid> i agree
[06:06] <bintut> i'm currently running the ubuntu 5.04 livecd.. how can i install or make use of the Lexmark provided driver for my Lexmark Z515 printer in ubuntu livecd?
[06:06] <dead^> do i have to mount the other harddrive or can i easyly open it somehow?
[06:06] <factorx> phend: thanks anyways. I'll now try noinotify bootoption
[06:07] <sig> bintut: add a printer
[06:07] <sig> and choose that driver
[06:07] <invisiblekid> dead^, u need to mount it
[06:07] <bintut> i want to print using OO.org to my Lexmark Z515 USB printer
[06:07] <Funraiser> bintut, system/administration/printing
[06:07] <pestilence> cusco: np
[06:07] <teknoprep> dead^ you can add it to your fstab
[06:07] <bintut> sig and Funraiser: even if my printer is not listed in that tool?
[06:07] <teknoprep> and then kde konqueror will be able to mount it for you if you put the option of user in fstab
[06:08] <invisiblekid> hey teknoprep, what options do i need in my fstab to allow access to anyone
[06:08] <dead^> teknoprep: what's a fstab? :S
[06:08] <CrippsFX> sig, my battery lasted a grand total of 20 mins.
[06:08] <teknoprep> nano /etc/fstab
[06:08] <sig> CrippsFX: that blows
[06:08] <invisiblekid> /etc/fstab
[06:08] <teknoprep> yeah if you don't know what it is
[06:08] <teknoprep> don't mess with it
[06:08] <CrippsFX> sig, yep. any ideas on how to prolong that to ... ohhh ... say, an hour and a half? ;)
[06:08] <teknoprep> i find that if you go install gentoo linux.. you will learn quickly about the linux filesystem
[06:08] <teknoprep> since most distro's do that work for you
[06:08] <Funraiser> bintut, when u do add a printer, u don't find it there?
[06:08] <teknoprep> on install
[06:09] <bintut> Funraiser: it just suggested to use the 5000 driver.. i'll try to print now..
[06:10] <sig> CrippsFX: check the forums
[06:10] <CrippsFX> sig, kk.
[06:10] <sig> I do have a script to slow down the cpu usage when not plugged in
[06:11] <sig> --- Offering throttle.pl to CrippsFX
[06:11] <sig> this will help CrippsFX
[06:11] <sig> look at it and familiar yourself
[06:11] <sig> bbl
[06:11] <^rob^> if i've got two text files and want to pull a list of all lines in a that occur in b, how would I do that?
[06:11] <CrippsFX> what exactly is throttle.pl? (I can't remember what *.pl is)
[06:12] <CrippsFX> ahh, perl script?
[06:12] <teknoprep> perl
[06:12] <bintut> Funraiser, i tried printing but it didn't print... i checked the JOB but it finished..
[06:13] <factorx> phend: thank you very much, it now seems to work. will I get any serious disadvantages with inotify disabled?
[06:13] <Shufla> fck :( i cannot access mozilla update with firefox - aaargh! u need to update they say :(
[06:14] <slept> rob , diff file1 file 2 | grep \>
[06:14] <Funraiser> bintut, maybe u can try the z51
[06:14] <bintut> ok
[06:15] <reset_> hello
[06:15] <bintut> Funraiser, it didn't worked.. :(
[06:16] <Funraiser> bintut, try to see if there is a driver on there website for linux
[06:16] <bintut> Funraiser, this is the guide i used in my gentoo box with the same printer ==>  http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Lexmark_Printers
[06:16] <Funraiser> their*
[06:17] <reset_> error opening/initialilizing the select video_out (-vo) device mplayer error help !!!
[06:17] <bintut> Funraiser, but my ubuntu livecd doesn't have a rpm2targz command
[06:17] <morris__> how do i go about installing a, hand downloaded .deb package?
[06:17] <Funraiser> bintut, there is no deb there?
[06:17] <meng> dpkg -i packname
[06:17] <TJORVEN> whats the wrong when cedega and wine tells you that the 3d output doesn't work
[06:18] <samuel> morris_, dpkg -i
[06:18] <morris__> thank you
[06:18] <samuel> morris__, dpkg -i
[06:18] <bintut> Funraiser, nope
[06:18] <morris__> thanks :)
[06:18] <morris__> sweet thanks guys
[06:18] <morris__> hehe
[06:18] <Funraiser> TJORVEN install nvidia http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[06:19] <reset_> error opening/initialilizing the select video_out (-vo) device mplayer error help !!!
[06:19] <reset_> error opening/initialilizing the select video_out (-vo) device mplayer error help !!!
[06:19] <reset_> help me anyone?
[06:19] <Funraiser> bintut, maybe u can try to download the rpm and then convert it with alien
[06:19] <bintut> Funraiser, how will i install rpm2targz?
[06:19] <bintut> make: execvp: dh_installdocs: Input/output error
[06:19] <bintut> make: *** [binary-arch]  Error 127
[06:19] <bintut> find: z600cups-1.0: No such file or directory
[06:20] <reset_> someone?
[06:20] <reset_> error opening/initialilizing the select video_out (-vo) device mplayer error help !!!
[06:20] <CrippsFX> sig, that script didn't allow any input, nor did it give any output when the input failed.
[06:20] <boehn> reset_: youve to download the original nvidia driver
[06:20] <reset_> i've a old notebook not nvidia drive card
[06:21] <reset_> integrated video card :\
[06:21] <bintut> how will i install rpm2targz in ubuntu?
[06:21] <reset_> i have hope?
[06:21] <reset_> boehn?
[06:22] <cusco> pestilence: I can't set the ports
[06:22] <Shufla> heh
[06:22] <Shufla> bye bye
[06:24] <reset_> error opening/initialilizing the select video_out (-vo) device mplayer error help !!!
[06:24] <Funraiser> bintut, to convert rpm to deb type alien [--to-deb]  [--to-rpm]  [--to-tgz]  [--to-slp]  [options]  file [...] 
[06:25] <Badness45> dvd player xine says that i need libdvdcss to play dvds ?
[06:25] <Funraiser> bintut, exemple alien --to-rpm package.deb
[06:25] <athlon> anyone got the live dvd iso handy ? I am trying to download the iso through bittorrent but the tracker is (still) down. Would be great if someone would publish the torrent  in another server
[06:25] <Ghetek> I hope no one minds too greatly if i ask about an audio problem on kubuntu? i have a soundblaster live card that isnt working. I get an error at the start and it says it will use a null device.
[06:26] <Funraiser> bintut, or alien --to-deb package.rpm   (to Convert the package.rpm into a package.deb)
[06:26] <graabein> hi. anyone tried snes9x?
[06:26] <reset_> error opening/initialilizing the select video_out (-vo) device mplayer error help !!!
[06:26] <rj`> anyone got networking working with PearPC?
[06:27] <fabbione> GO DOKO GO!
[06:27] <slept> Badness45,  you can get it from marrliat you have to add to you sources.list
[06:27] <fabbione> ops
[06:27] <reset_> someone know mplayer???
[06:27] <reset_> please!!!
[06:27] <zkruw> can i edit the Program menu in gnome?
[06:27] <morris__> ARGH it asked for the ubuntu cd.. NOOO that is soo gay
[06:28] <phend> factorx, if you install beagle you'll have slower indexing i think, but nothing major
[06:28] <gregg_> reset_, try -vo sdl or -vo x11
[06:28] <factorx> phend: ah, okay
[06:28] <factorx> thanks again
[06:29] <Funraiser> reset, when did u install it? today?
[06:29] <reset_> gregg_ , mplayer -vo sdl name.avi ???
[06:29] <graabein> zkruw, http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[06:29] <reset_> yesterday
[06:29] <gregg_> reset: right
[06:30] <phend> no prob
[06:31] <reset_> nothing
[06:32] <morris__> Thanks for all the wonderful help guys!
[06:32] <morris__> im outtie
[06:32] <zkruw> graabein, thanx
[06:33] <gregg_> man. I hate all these "alternative" bittorrent clients like Azureus
[06:34] <Drako60> why is my system telling me there is no space left
[06:34] <gregg_> they harm the network and try to make a bad edonkey out of it. great...
[06:34] <Tomcat_> Why? :o
[06:34] <Tomcat_> Azureus is bad for the network? :o
[06:34] <transgress> gregg_: why?  i love it... how do they harm the network?
[06:34] <zkruw> graabein, i cant find a way to remove, just to add?
[06:34] <graabein> zkruw, i havent tried it, sorry
[06:34] <zkruw> graabein, just a bug :)
[06:34] <Drako60> ok i have a problem
[06:34] <gregg_> for one thing, they allow multiple downloads
[06:35] <transgress> umm don't most?
[06:35] <gregg_> this is possible with the original client as well, but much more different
[06:35] <transgress> and how is that bad for the network?
[06:35] <gregg_> transgress, download = upload
[06:35] <meng> the new bittorrent client does multiples
[06:35] <transgress> gregg_: azureus lets you limit the speed you upload...
[06:36] <meng> bittorrent's new client too
[06:36] <transgress> never hurts my network...
[06:36] <Drako60> i encountered this problem when attempting to install a debootstrap /chroot to get a 32bit system running while running and AMD64 kernel
[06:36] <gregg_> meng, it does? then they are purposely destroying it themselves
[06:36] <transgress> gregg_: you still haven't given a reason why it's bad... a real one...
[06:36] <Funraiser> gregg_, some people have an upload so high (my brother has 1 mga on upload) that even when downloading multiple files, he is still the one uploading the most
[06:36] <Drako60> now it is suddenly telling me i have no space left on device, but i have a 114GBs total and only 16GBs used
[06:36] <transgress> so at this point you are trolling
[06:37] <transgress> Drako60: how big is the partition?
[06:37] <gregg_> because people upload less for each file because of multiple torrent support and throtthling
[06:37] <Drako60> transgress: which one, / is one partition of 114GBs
[06:37] <Funraiser> depends of your upload
[06:37] <transgress> Drako60: do you have multiple partitions?
[06:38] <gregg_> Funraiser, well? I guess most people do multiple torrents when it's much easier
[06:38] <transgress> gregg_: your ratio still depends on a per torrent basis...
[06:38] <Funraiser> 100KB/sec per file on upload is enough
[06:38] <Drako60> transgress: just / and /dev
[06:38] <transgress> Drako60: hmm that is odd then... and i'm in a bit of a hurry... sorry i can't help
[06:38] <Funraiser> anyway bittorrent is history to me
[06:38] <gregg_> Funraiser: less then 1% of the bittorrent crowd has such an upstream I guess :)
[06:39] <Drako60> and dmesg gives no errors at all
[06:39] <gregg_> s/then/than/
[06:39] <Funraiser> greegg, but it's possible to download multiple files with the main client too
[06:39] <gregg_> Funraiser, you ran a tracker or something?
[06:39] <Funraiser> no
[06:39] <gregg_> Funraiser, as I said, so they are just doing bad things to themselves IMHO
[06:40] <gregg_> maybe giving up because of pressure
[06:40] <gregg_> azureus has another feature that allows p2p tracking
[06:41] <gregg_> so the tracker don't have any real control over what is up- and downloaded anymore
[06:41] <gregg_> more good features of bittorrent going down the drain...
[06:42] <gregg_> at least some people are banning azureus if this feature is switched on
[06:42] <Funraiser> yesterday i downloaded at 200KB/sec on newsgroups
[06:42] <meng> fansub BT is horrendusly slow
[06:42] <transgress> meng: not if you have a good ratio
[06:42] <gregg_> it was very fast once. about 2 years ago
[06:42] <spacey> i have no problems download fansubs
[06:43] <Funraiser> plus bittorrent is a good playground for the MPAA
[06:43] <Funraiser> shooting range
[06:43] <spacey> the gnome bt client seems to work fine too :)
[06:43] <adam_> hi all.  just a quick newbie question.  is gnome less resource heavy than kde?  just seems to work faster??
[06:43] <spacey> adam_, afaik its about the same
[06:43] <Drako60> gregg_: if your on a good torrent with say 200 to 300 people at 10 or 15KB upload each plus say 5 seeds at 15KB your still getting good speed
[06:43] <meng> no DE is the fastest
[06:43] <gregg_> Funraiser, so what will happen if usenet for warez gets popular?
[06:43] <meng> good day
[06:44] <Funraiser> greg_, by the time NGs will be popular, Freenet will take off
[06:44] <spacey> i mostly get speeds around 300K/s from BT
[06:44] <Funraiser> there is always a way
[06:44] <meng> free windows XP and all the expensive stuff
[06:44] <mjr> adam_, maybe a bit (C++ and all on the other side), but probably no significant differences
[06:44] <gregg_> Drako60, that may be true, but I remember times in the beginning when bittorrent was fast even if your ratio wasn't that good
[06:44] <Funraiser> gregg_, there is IRC channels too, XDCC thing
[06:44] <Funraiser> works well
[06:45] <spacey> what fansubs are downloading anyway?:P
[06:45] <Funraiser> but it's off-subjetc here
[06:45] <meng> any difference with the speeds on linux's BT and window's BT?
[06:45] <adam_> i just installed ubuntu on my desktop, and it gives no sounds, whereas windows used to fine.  it says no sound card found in gnome meeting.
[06:45] <meng> spacey: hentai person?
[06:45] <Funraiser> meng, i had the same speed
[06:45] <adam_> is there a device anaylysis tool out there?
[06:45] <gregg_> meng, someone will shout: "it's two times as fast on linux !!!!1111"
[06:45] <invisiblekid> ive noticed an improvement in speeds after going from windoze to linux
[06:45] <spacey> meng, not really, but i watch lots of anime
[06:46] <invisiblekid> bittorrent speeds that is
[06:46] <meng> perveryt
[06:46] <adam_> where it can auto download drivers like on windows?
[06:46] <spacey> nah
[06:46] <Badness45> dvd player xine says that i need libdvdcss to play dvds how do i play dvds
[06:46] <meng> adam_: there's no auto driver downloads
[06:46] <Drako60> gregg_: some trackers are punishing people for low upload ratio
[06:47] <meng> just built in drivers which suck
[06:47] <neighborlee> something crazy is happening here.. i'm compiling nvidia from source to get away from gnome random crashing ( like all over on forums ) and while it works fine and desktop will start...if I reboot,- the nvidia logo wont display and of course gdm doesn't either..anyone else seeing this or know whats going on ? ;-))
[06:47] <gregg_> Drako60, what is defined as low? ;)
[06:47] <Kimppa> Hi. Does anyone know some good codec packages I could install? I've installed gstreamer0.8-0, w32codecs and liblame0. But totem is missing picture and xine is missing sound :-/
[06:47] <e-guru> Kimppa: did you try installing VLC ?
[06:48] <meng> totem-xine
[06:48] <Kimppa> nope, doing it now
[06:48] <Drako60> gregg_: one tracker makes you wait 32 hours if you have less then 0.3 16 hours at 0.4 ect
[06:48] <e-guru> Kimppa: it should have all the required codecs
[06:48] <gregg_> Drako60, otherwise, this is probably a good thing for network healthyness, but a bad thing for people without much upstream
[06:48] <Kimppa> e-guru: great, thanks
[06:48] <e-guru> Kimppa: do you live in Finland?
[06:48] <Funraiser> Badness45, u do have libdvdcss already
[06:48] <Kimppa> e-guru: yes I do
[06:48] <gregg_> Drako60, ah. that thing. know it :)
[06:49] <e-guru> Kimppa: ah you live in Turku :) me too
[06:49] <Kimppa> e-guru: kewl :)
[06:49] <Funraiser> Badness45 try to re-install libdvdcss with synaptic
[06:49] <e-guru> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/features.html
[06:49] <Kimppa> although I'm moving away in less than a week
[06:49] <adam_> has anyone had luck in setting up xen emulator on ubuntu?
[06:50] <Drako60> whiptail what kind of process is that
[06:50] <e-guru> Kimppa: bon voyage :)
[06:50] <Funraiser> neighorlee, what do u follow to install the nvidia drivers?
[06:50] <gregg_> adam_, it's the other way around: ubuntu on xen :)
[06:51] <adam_> erm... ok.  but did you manage it?
[06:51] <gregg_> I never tried
[06:51] <adam_> and bet
[06:51] <adam_> o
[06:51] <adam_> ok
[06:51] <_hp_> anyone here got pymusique to run on ubuntu? (is there a package?)
[06:52] <Kimppa> Hmm.. I installed vlc but it didn't help. So I installed totem-xine. I got picture with totem, but lost the sounds. Same with xine
[06:52] <timeless_> anyway to play dvds in ubuntu
[06:52] <Ize> when doing "sudo mount -t vfat /dav/fd0 /media/floppy" does the floppy become ReadOnly then ?
[06:52] <timeless_> xine totem and vlc don't work
[06:52] <adam_> whats the best 2 pane file commander out there for linux?  something like total commander.
[06:52] <gregg_> Kimppa, be sure to have universe/multiverse in your sources.list and apt-get gstreamer0.8\*
[06:53] <meng> mc
[06:53] <Funraiser> Kimppa, what is missing when u run vlc?
[06:53] <nxvl> where must i configure mi locales??
[06:53] <Funraiser> sound or image?
[06:54] <popeye> Holy crap, IE 7 will have tabbed browsing! http://www.microsoft-watch.com.on.nimp.org/?u=ubuntu
[06:55] <Kimppa> Funraiser: I'm missing sounds in all players
[06:55] <meng> not all would use tabs
[06:55] <Funraiser> Kimppa, i knew it
[06:55] <invisiblekid> Kimppa, are u using hoary?
[06:55] <Badness45> i tryed to install lindvdcss with synaptics but it doesn't find anything
[06:56] <meng> add debian marillat first
[06:56] <Kimppa> http://pastebin.com/285655
[06:56] <Kimppa> there's my sources.list
[06:56] <Funraiser> Kimppa, follow http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[06:56] <Kimppa> I am although able to play mp3 with eg amarok
[06:57] <Funraiser> Kimppa, i was able to play sound only with xine before i did this
[06:57] <Funraiser> and then everything worked
[06:57] <yonil> where can i get the log for login attempts ?
[06:57] <fidget> I'm having a problem with the totem player in Ubuntu.... And I was thinking that it might be possible to copy the xine player from a knoppix cd and run that with a totem front end.... does anyone know which files or folders I would move?
[06:58] <yonil> fidget, apt-get install totem-xine
[06:58] <yonil> or xine-totem
[06:58] <Ize> when doing "sudo mount -t vfat /dav/fd0 /media/floppy" does the floppy become ReadOnly then ?
[06:58] <yonil> one of them :P
[06:59] <fidget> apt-get never worked for me
[06:59] <fidget> i'm sorry.. i'm really brand new to linux .. only a month or so
[06:59] <fidget> root@unknown:/home/unknown # apt-get install totem-xine
[06:59] <fidget> Reading package lists... Done
[06:59] <fidget> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:59] <fidget> Package totem-xine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:59] <fidget> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:59] <fidget> is only available from another source
[06:59] <fidget> E: Package totem-xine has no installation candidate
[06:59] <fidget> I always get this message
[07:00] <meng> get rid of totem gstreamer
[07:00] <fidget> I already removed it
[07:00] <yonil> fidget, did you add repositories ? if not try to.. from the www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:00] <fidget> ... you've lost me .. repositories?
[07:00] <fidget> sorry for being such a newb....
[07:01] <yonil> im a newb too he
[07:01] <fidget> hah you know a lot more then I
[07:01] <yonil> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[07:01] <Funraiser> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[07:01] <invisiblekid> go to that website, it will help you set your ubuntu up, it gives detailed information about it
[07:01] <fidget> ah thanks much
[07:01] <eob84> is there anyone from the United States in here?
[07:01] <fidget> I am
[07:01] <invisiblekid> if u are a newb, go through that entire site
[07:02] <fidget> alrighty .. will do ..
[07:02] <invisiblekid> thats waht i did, and i understand alot more than i did
[07:02] <yonil> yeah that site sets up most things ;)
[07:02] <meng> how's Amerika Syarikat sounds to you?
[07:02] <fidget> thanks much invisi and yonil
[07:02] <thenuke> how do I mount NTFS-filesystems so that users can access them?
[07:02] <eob84> has anyone in the US orderd pressed cds?
[07:02] <Funraiser> thenuke, it's read only
[07:02] <invisiblekid> u can mount them readonly
[07:02] <yonil> anyone knows how can i get the logs for login attempts ?
[07:02] <thenuke> yeah
[07:02] <thenuke> but only root can access it still
[07:02] <Ize> when doing "sudo mount -t vfat /dav/fd0 /media/floppy" does the floppy become ReadOnly then ?
[07:03] <Ize> dev*
[07:03] <Funraiser> thenuke, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[07:03] <eob84> ntfs
[07:03] <eob84> is read only
[07:03] <eob84> there is no way around that
[07:03] <meng> unless captive is installed
[07:04] <Kimppa> Funraiser: ok, did what you suggested. Got sound and video working
[07:04] <Funraiser> i think on suse there is a way to write too, but off-topic
[07:04] <Funraiser> niiiiiiice
[07:04] <Kimppa> in xine that is... totem is still missing sounds
[07:04] <Funraiser> and vlc?
[07:04] <eob84> non the less
[07:04] <eob84> I was wondering
[07:04] <eob84> this is a opinnion or experiance thing
[07:05] <Funraiser> Kimppa, have sound now in VLC?
[07:05] <eob84> has orderd pressed cds?
[07:05] <Kimppa> Funraiser: haven't tried.. let me check
[07:05] <Kimppa> Funraiser: yup
[07:05] <invisiblekid> hey Funraiser is there any way to read ntfs using vmware?
[07:05] <tbasten> where is i2c support located in menuconfig (kernel)
[07:05] <Funraiser> Kimppa, cool use VLC when u can
[07:06] <Funraiser> invisiblekid, no idea...
[07:06] <reset__> http://phpfi.com/62226
[07:06] <Funraiser> well diner time!
[07:06] <Funraiser> SUL
[07:06] <invisiblekid> Kimppa, xmms is good program for mp3's, its just like winamp
[07:06] <eob84> I was thinking they might be holding any new orders for the releas of breezy?
[07:06] <tbasten> xmms seems to be broken since install on my computer
[07:06] <Kimppa> ok.. in that case an additional question. How do I set the default player
[07:07] <eob84> amarok is a little better then XMMs
[07:07] <invisiblekid> i had problems too
[07:07] <faken> hi folks
[07:07] <gregg_> reset_, which vo are you using then? seems like xv isn't working
[07:07] <Kimppa> invisiblekid: well thank you. But I was very well aware of that. Actually, currently I prefer amaroK :)
[07:07] <mirak> is there a way in linux to have some kind of restore points, like on windows XP ?
[07:08] <mirak> I mean is there some project that wants to do that ?
[07:08] <invisiblekid> Kimppa, right click on a file of the file type you want to change, example: filename.ogg and go to properties, go to the tab "Open With"
[07:08] <faken> i have a nforce 2 board with a nvidia geforce 4 mx onboard chip can anyone say me if this chip is supported
[07:08] <meng> *dreams for iTunes for linux
[07:08] <invisiblekid> it will change for that file type
[07:08] <samuel> mirak - you dont need "restore points"
[07:08] <tbasten> faken, yeah mate
[07:09] <mirak> samiam: why not ?
[07:09] <tbasten> faken, i have same chipset
[07:09] <Kimppa> invisiblekid: ah, thanks
[07:09] <mirak> samiam: a noob that breaks everything might need that
[07:09] <confrey> hi everybody
[07:09] <samuel> mirak, because linux doesnt screw up like windows does - you dont need a fix for a problem thats not there
[07:09] <faken> tbasten,  so i joust have to install the nvidia driver from nvidia.com ?
[07:10] <samuel> mirak, short of deleting files at random with root - i dont see how
[07:10] <gregg_> faken, you can fetch it from the ubuntu repositories as well. it's easier and faster
[07:10] <faken> n1
[07:10] <mirak> samuel: actually I ask that because I can't revert an install of mythtv
[07:11] <invisiblekid> faken: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[07:11] <mirak> samuel: with aptitude. It's I have tried a purge, but I can't reinstall it fine
[07:11] <mirak> it fails
[07:11] <faken> thx invisiblekid
[07:11] <mirak> there is a problem with mysql server
[07:11] <samuel> mirak, huh?
[07:11] <reset__> http://phpfi.com/62227
[07:11] <samuel> mirak, whats wrong with the mysql? how does it fail?
[07:12] <mirak> samiam: I installed mythtv with aptitude. Then I removed it, then reinstalled it. but mysql fails
[07:12] <mirak> to install
[07:12] <HappyFool> what's the error message?
[07:12] <mirak> WARNING: /etc/mysql/my.cnf cannot be read. See README.Debian.
[07:12] <mirak> Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed.
[07:12] <samuel> whats the error?
[07:12] <invisiblekid> later all
[07:12] <mirak> there is the error
[07:13] <mirak> I don't understand why it don't recreate a default /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[07:13] <HappyFool> is there a file /usr/share/doc/mysql<something>/README.Debian ?
[07:13] <mirak> even after I delete /etc/mysql/
[07:13] <mirak> and do a purge
[07:13] <eob84> anyone been shipped pressed cds?
[07:13] <nobile> hello, I have a question
[07:14] <mirak> HappyFool: yes ?
[07:14] <eob84> shoot
[07:14] <nobile> I mounted my FAT partition so it would mount on start up
[07:14] <nobile> but it didn't
[07:14] <tbasten> anyone here know much about compile a kernel. Need someone with knowledge of the menuconfig
[07:14] <HappyFool> mirak: and it has nothing of use?
[07:14] <slept> nobile,  you have to add to /etc/fstab
[07:14] <nobile> /dev/hda2       /media/windows/rut  vfat    umask=000       0       0  <-- this is what I wrote on the fstab
[07:14] <samuel> mirak, hmmm.... it should make a new default one if you deleted completely the package and re-installed
[07:15] <AngryLogic> nobile: you added it to your fstab?
[07:15] <Amaranth> tbasten: Why do you need to compile your own kernel?
[07:15] <eob84> what param did you add?
[07:15] <nobile> yes
[07:15] <eob84> to the fstab
[07:15] <nobile> yes
[07:15] <nobile> /dev/hda2       /media/windows/rut  vfat    umask=000       0       0  <-- this is what I wrote on the fstab
[07:15] <tbasten> Amaranth, because i want to.
[07:15] <nobile> I did what it said on the ubuntuguide
[07:15] <fidget> ah I got it .. much thanks invisa and yonil
[07:15] <eob84> ok... the way I do it
[07:15] <mirak> HappyFool: not that I really see
[07:15] <eob84> is a little diffrent
[07:15] <tbasten> Amaranth, i want to use nvidia's video drivers
[07:15] <factorx> is anyone familiar with lufs? I just tried to do a /usr/share/lufs/prepmod in order to get my captive-ntfs running, but after compiling some stuff prepmod aborts saying it can't find linux kernel sources. but I installed kernel sources and headers! so whats wrong?
[07:15] <eob84> I don't add umask=000
[07:16] <Amaranth> tbasten: You don't need a new kernel for that.
[07:16] <eob84> just defaults, user
[07:16] <nobile> oh
[07:16] <nobile> hmm
[07:16] <eob84> user is optional
[07:16] <tbasten> Amaranth, cant use em unless i compile it wil kernel as a supported modu
[07:16] <tbasten> Amaranth, explain
[07:16] <HappyFool> mirak: ok. just a thought.
[07:16] <Amaranth> tbasten: get the nvidia-glx package
[07:16] <nobile> /dev/hda3       /media/windows  vfat    umask=000       0       0  <-- this other partition it did mount it, and the only difference is the folder and the name
[07:16] <eob84> user makes it so you can mount it without root privlages
[07:16] <tbasten> Amaranth, got it
[07:16] <tbasten> Amaranth, then what
[07:16] <Amaranth> tbasten: then you have your nvidia driver setup :)
[07:17] <Amaranth> well, you need to restart
[07:17] <eob84> the way I mount my VFAT
[07:17] <HappyFool> nobile: try mounting it at /media/windows-rut, or something other than a subdirectory of /media/windows
[07:17] <tbasten> i have.
[07:17] <nobile> ok
[07:17] <gregg_> tbasten, you probably need to adjust the xorg.conf and restart the x server
[07:17] <tbasten> Do i have to edit my xorg.conf so that it uses the nvidia module instead of nv
[07:17] <HappyFool> no, you there's a script to tweak your x settings
[07:18] <AngryLogic> nobile: which line comes first , hda2 or hda3?
[07:18] <nobile> hda2
[07:18] <tbasten> HappyFool, o_0 explain
[07:18] <Amaranth> tbasten: I thought installing that package did it for you. I don't have an nvidia card though so I dunno.
[07:18] <HappyFool> i think it's 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable'
[07:18] <AngryLogic> nobile: when you mount hda3 at /media/windows your mountpoint at /media/windows/rut or whatnot is overwritten since everything inside of /media/windows is now your hda3
[07:18] <tbasten> ta..
[07:18] <tbasten> brb
[07:19] <tbasten> but i still need help with compiling a kernel
[07:19] <nobile> oh, so first I must mount hd3 and then hda2?
[07:19] <HappyFool> tbasten: why do you need a new kernel?
[07:19] <AngryLogic> its better just to have a different mount point for each
[07:19] <tbasten> so that it can support ip routing
[07:19] <gregg_> tbasten, what do you need a new kernel for?
[07:19] <gregg_> d'oh :)
[07:20] <gregg_> tbasten, you don't need to recompile the kernel for that
[07:20] <AngryLogic> nobile: if you mounted hda3 first then there would no longer be a rut folder inside of /media/windows since this would be your hda3 drive.
[07:20] <nobile> hmm
[07:20] <nobile> ok I'll just logout and login again beause now I have it mounted in two palces =P
[07:20] <nobile> brb!!!
[07:20] <AngryLogic> nobile: just don't try to mount something side of something thats already mounted
[07:21] <nobile> ok
[07:21] <HappyFool> logging out won't change mount state
[07:21] <HappyFool> use umount to unmount
[07:21] <AngryLogic> too late; he's gone.
[07:23] <nobile> it's still mounted in both places =/
[07:23] <AngryLogic> you have to use the umount command to unmount this nobile.
[07:24] <nobile> oh, or should I just restart it?
[07:24] <nobile> the computer
[07:24] <AngryLogic> if you want to test your auto mounting, umount the drives
[07:24] <AngryLogic> then type mount -a
[07:24] <HappyFool> rebooting is reserved for kernel upgrades ;)
[07:24] <nobile> hehe
[07:24] <HappyFool> or significant screw-ups
[07:24] <nobile> ok, how do I umount?
[07:24] <AngryLogic> umount /media/windows
[07:24] <AngryLogic> umount /media/windows/rug
[07:24] <AngryLogic> if those are your directories.
[07:25] <nobile> ok
[07:25] <nobile> yes it is all good now
[07:25] <AngryLogic> sweet
[07:25] <nobile> ^^
[07:25] <nobile> thanks!
[07:26] <AngryLogic> np
[07:29] <tbasten_> Amaranth, i want to compile my own kernel cause i want the propper drivers for my sound card (nforce2 chipset)
[07:29] <tbasten_> esd isnt working, + when it was it was out of synch in movies and dvd's
[07:30] <tbasten_> and get also to work
[07:30] <tbasten_> and i cant*
[07:31] <tbasten_> anyone know how i can get alsa to work?
[07:31] <enyc> not sure
[07:31] <gregg_> tbasten, you shouldn't need to recompile your kernel either for that :)
[07:31] <enyc> erm
[07:31] <enyc> load alsa-based sound driver ;-)
[07:31] <tbasten_> or my sound for that matter
[07:31] <enyc> Im not sure what exactly comes with which ubuntu kernels...
[07:31] <enyc> TBAS: ERM...
[07:31] <gregg_> tbasten, kill esd and try to use oss for sound output
[07:31] <enyc> tbas: do "uname -a" and give us that output-string
[07:32] <enyc> 'to see kernel version and whatnot
[07:32] <tbasten_> lol
[07:32] <tbasten_> hang on
[07:32] <enyc> I think ubuntu-warty and hoary has  alsa modules/support etc.
[07:32] <tbasten_> Linux Danasis 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:32] <yonil> how can i check what application is using one of my mounted partitions ? (im trying to unmount it)
[07:32] <enyc> Right...  Ubuntu-Hoary (5.04)  ?
[07:32] <enyc> yoni: use lsof
[07:32] <AngryLogic> thats hoarys kernel.
[07:32] <nxvl> how do i get a list of posible $LANGUAGE's??
[07:32] <enyc> yoni: lsof | grep [path]    ??
[07:33] <tbasten_> Andril, yeah
[07:33] <tbasten_> enyc, yeah
[07:33] <yonil> enyc, thanks
[07:33] <enyc> tbas: hrrrm...  if you soundcard happens to be a pci device...  then it should show up in lspci
[07:33] <AngryLogic> tbasten: what kind of errors are you getting on sound output? have you checked your mixer settings to make sure its not muted?
[07:33] <enyc> tbas: do "lspci" (may need to /sbin/lspci or /usr/sbin/lspci  if not r00t)
[07:33] <yonil> enyc, do you know what gam_serv is ? its always using my mounted stuff o.O
[07:33] <enyc> yoni: no
[07:33] <AngryLogic> yoni: its used to monitor file changes on your filesystem.
[07:34] <tbasten_> enyc, u want me to lspci | grep sound?
[07:34] <yonil> AngryLogic, can i kill it ?
[07:34] <enyc> tbas: les us see what entry relates to your sound card (could be an at-bus device or isapnp in which case it wont be in lspci)
[07:34] <AngryLogic> yonil: i wouldn't.
[07:34] <enyc> tbas: not sure, somethims they say audio and stuff. jsut read it yourself... and paste relevant-looking-line
[07:34] <tbasten_> Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1
[07:34] <yonil> ;'(
[07:34] <enyc> tbas: hrrm
[07:34] <AngryLogic> yoni:http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/
[07:35] <enyc> you might want i810_audio  for OSS (ac97 driver)
[07:35] <enyc> but alsa module.. not sure
[07:35] <tbasten_> So what do u do?
[07:35] <enyc> built-in sound thing on nvidia.. not tried to get them running really ;-)
[07:35] <enyc> tbas: discover the correct driver module.. erm...
[07:35] <tbasten_> snd_intel8x0           29984  2
[07:35] <tbasten_> snd_ac97_codec         64608  1 snd_intel8x0
[07:35] <tbasten_> these are currently running (lsmod)
[07:35] <AngryLogic> tbas: can you change your mixer settings in the volume control? does that show up?
[07:36] <factorx> how can I change the look and style of KDE apps like amarok, if I don't actually use kde?
[07:36] <tbasten_> AngryLogic, yeah
[07:36] <tbasten_> but no sound
[07:36] <enyc> tbas: aah that looks right.. snd_ moduules are ALSA modules
[07:36] <Tallia1> hi!!!
[07:36] <enyc> tbas: do you have snd_pcm_oss or similar ?
[07:36] <tbasten_>  yeah
[07:36] <Tallia1> i'm searching for  a good ps one emulator..!
[07:36] <Tallia1> do you know something!?
[07:36] <enyc> tbas:  well how /exactly/ are you trying to play sound through what exactly ?
[07:36] <AngryLogic> tbas: if you run esd from the terminal without any command lines, do you hear anything?
[07:36] <Tallia1> or someone?! :)
[07:36] <enyc> tall: look for "pcsx"
[07:37] <Tallia1> tnx!!!
[07:37] <tbasten_> AngryLogic, As i send before esd isnt working
[07:37] <AngryLogic> tbas: is there an error messagE?
[07:37] <enyc> tbas: well what EXACTLY happens if you run "esd" from a commandprompt ?
[07:37] <AngryLogic> tbas: there are many ways things can break :)
[07:37] <tbasten_> No, no eeror
[07:37] <yonil> I need to unmount a partiton, and gam_server is using it. i cant kill gam_serve since it keeps coming back ... what should i do ?
[07:37] <tbasten_> ok, seriously, it was working then it didnt
[07:38] <tbasten_> no sound through any player,
[07:38] <HappyFool> yonil: what partition?
[07:38] <enyc> try runnign "alsamixer" ?
[07:38] <AngryLogic> tbas: if you run alsamixer does it show everything non-muted?
[07:38] <AngryLogic> tbas: run it from the terminal
[07:38] <yonil> HappyFool, nothing special, i just store music / videos on it
[07:38] <tbasten_> i have done "killall esd" then ran "esd" no errors, alsamixer works
[07:38] <lotusleaf> I'm on a 56k modem and the speed is very slow, everything loads 700 - 900 bytes per second. I read on the Ubuntu forums that someone fixed this by installing and using Gnome-PPP, which I tried, but Gnome-PPP won't find my modem whereas the System->Networking program does, but works slowly. How do I get Gnome-PPP to find my modem?
[07:39] <enyc> but if you run "esd" on its' own from command, you hear //nothing// ?
[07:39] <nobile> how do I get skins for xmms?
[07:39] <HappyFool> yonil: i meant, where is it mounted
[07:39] <enyc> running "esd" on it's own (usally started with -nobeep option...) makes a low-high beep 'spectrum'
[07:39] <yonil> HappyFool, i mount to /data
[07:39] <AngryLogic> tbas: can you run cat >/dev/dsp
[07:39] <tbasten_> enyc, yes, i know that
[07:39] <tbasten_> no noise
[07:39] <AngryLogic> so the device exists fine.
[07:40] <tbasten_> yesh
[07:40] <enyc> tbas: hrrm and alsamixer has the volume set correctly etc. etc. ?
[07:40] <gregg_> cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp hehe ;)
[07:40] <lotusleaf> anyone know?
[07:40] <tbasten_> enyc, yes
[07:40] <enyc> nobi: not sure if there are ubuntu packages, you could look at http://www.xmms.org/skins.php  etc..
[07:40] <AngryLogic> tbas: have you tried outputting anything directly to alsa and are you sure your speakers are plugged in?
[07:40] <Ize> Having problems getting WriteAcces to Floppy discs on Ubuntu Live.. and that can help ? ^^
[07:40] <cd_dc> noble: http://www.xmms.org/skins.php
[07:40] <enyc> tbas: hrrm, odd
[07:40] <enyc> tbas: maybe there is some mismatch r.e. digital/analouge output-configuration
[07:40] <tbasten_> AngryLogic, yes they are plugged in
[07:41] <tbasten_> ok, how do i
[07:41] <tbasten_> how do i "output" something to alsa
[07:41] <chocoIate> hi, finally i manage to find a lin driver for my modem, however there is no driver for debian/ubuntu ; all i find is drivers for redhat,mandrake,suse linux -->> http://www.motorola.com/softmodem/sm56_download.htm#llinux
[07:41] <tbasten_> ok
[07:41] <enyc> ize: hrrm.. what does the fd0 entry in your /etc/fstab file say ??
[07:41] <chocoIate> is it possible to use one of those drivers in ubuntu :o
[07:41] <enyc> choc: software modems are a absolute pain-in-the-bum
[07:42] <Ize> mounting it manually.. with "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy"..
[07:42] <chocoIate> so what can i do :S
[07:42] <enyc> choc: much much easier to just get a serial (com) port [not usb]  modem and use that ;-)
[07:42] <HappyFool> chocoIate: if they have a 'source' package there, you should be able to compile one for your system
[07:42] <Ize> as its a Live Version i cant really change the Fstab..
[07:42] <lotusleaf> I have an external hardware modem but my modem only goes 700 - 900 bytes per second in ubuntu
[07:42] <Ize> im getting ReadAccess just fine tho..
[07:42] <enyc> ize: aaah
[07:42] <tbasten_> when i goto Multimedia Systems selector and select out as alsa then test i get nothing
[07:42] <HappyFool> chocoIate: i got my internal winmodem going but it was a bit of a pain
[07:42] <enyc> ize: try putting " -o uid=[number] " on the end  where [number]  is the UID of the user you are running as
[07:43] <AngryLogic> tbasten: if you open volume control and you go to file->change device how many devices do you see
[07:43] <HappyFool> lotusleaf: did they say *why* switching to Gnome-PPP would fix things?
[07:43] <x2> Hello, does apt-get work under ubuntu ? And if it does, does it use debian servers ?
[07:43] <Ize> so the total command would be ? im a linux noob.. hehe
[07:43] <yonil> gregg_, whats the diff between /dev/urandom and /dev/random ? (since random to dsp doesnt produce any sound and urandom works)
[07:43] <tbasten_> AngryLogic, 4
[07:43] <mjr> x2, yes, no
[07:43] <enyc> Hrrm I just use hardware Serial-port-emulating  ISA modem card with jumpers to set com-port-address --  they ''just work''  [same applies to  real com-port modem] 
[07:43] <chocoIate> so its not possible to use one of these drivers in ubuntu even if they are all use the same linux kernel :o
[07:43] <enyc> ize: erm  .. find out the UID you are running as
[07:43] <neighborlee> has anyone installed the nvidia drivers from source ?
[07:43] <enyc> ize: what is the account you are running as called ??
[07:43] <gregg_> yonil, urandom is only pseudo random but can provider random data much faster
[07:44] <gregg_> s/provider/provide/
[07:44] <chocoIate> i mean the drivers are there :S just nothing for ubuntu and debian
[07:44] <tbasten_> AngryLogic, Oss for my soundcard and tv card and alsa for sound and tv card
[07:44] <HappyFool> chocoIate: they *might*...
[07:44] <lotusleaf> HappyFool, no they just said it worked. The other option in another post was to "sudo gedit /etc/ppp/peers/ppp0" and add a speed # to the end of it, but that didn't work for me
[07:44] <Ize> hmmz.. how do i check ? hehe
[07:44] <enyc> ize: do 'whoami' ;-)
[07:44] <lotusleaf> HappyFool, if I can get Gnome-PPP to actually see my modem, I can test it myself. ;)
[07:44] <Ize> im root :p
[07:44] <yonil> gregg_, and yet cat random produce output, how come it doesnt produce sound when going to dsp ?
[07:44] <gregg_> yonil, random is probably as slow as several bytes per second :)
[07:44] <enyc> ize: if youa re root then you shouldnt have permissions issues
[07:44] <Ize> been 7-8 years since i last used linux.. haha :p
[07:44] <enyc> ize: if you are root, you shouldn't be using "sudo" either
[07:45] <enyc> ize: generally you shouldn't be using r00t basically
[07:45] <Ize> tryed with Mount blabla too.. didnt help
[07:45] <enyc> ize: are you sure you are actually /logged in/ as account "root" ?
[07:45] <tbasten_> AngryLogic, any idea?
[07:45] <enyc> ize: i.e. dont "sudo whoami" -- just do "whoami"
[07:45] <Ize> if it was a real install i wouldnt either.. but all i need it to pull 2 files out of a Linux Boot CD.. Firmware for a new Raid controller..
[07:46] <AngryLogic> gregg: ever hear what your computer is thinking? cat /dev/mem > /dev/dsp :-D
[07:46] <AngryLogic> tbasten: when did you add your tv card?
[07:46] <lotusleaf> so this is fun, first day on ubuntu, and spending all day trying to get the 56k modem to go faster than 700 - 900 bytes per second. Woo hoo! :)
[07:46] <gregg_> AngryLogic, lol, nice :-)
[07:46] <Ize> "whoami" replies "root" atleast..
[07:46] <enyc> ize: kk well
[07:46] <enyc> in that case
[07:46] <tbasten_> AngryLogic, had it for about 4 years
[07:46] <enyc> mount the floppy device mannually like you were doing
[07:46] <tbasten_> AngryLogic, before ubuntu install
[07:46] <AngryLogic> tbasten: if you do a ls /dev/dsp* how many devices show up?
[07:46] <enyc> but put "-o rw" on the end
[07:46] <chocoIate> so there is no way to install a different distro package in ubuntu :o
[07:46] <enyc> and then do "mount" and show me/us the line relating to the fd0  mount entry
[07:47] <tbasten_> tbasten@Danasis:~ $ ls /dev/dsp*
[07:47] <tbasten_> /dev/dsp  /dev/dsp1
[07:47] <HappyFool> chocoIate: drivers are particularly tricky
[07:47] <AngryLogic> ahhh!
[07:47] <HappyFool> chocoIate: they typically need to be compiled for the kernel you're using
[07:47] <Ize> 2 sec :)
[07:47] <AngryLogic> tbasten run esd -d /dev/dsp1
[07:47] <yonil> Q: if i resize a partition to a bigger size on gparted, will the data in it be deleted ?? (i dont want that :S)
[07:47] <tbasten_> tbasten@Danasis:~ $ esd -d /dev/dsp1
[07:47] <tbasten_> - using device /dev/dsp1
[07:47] <tbasten_> /dev/dsp1: No such device
[07:47] <chocoIate> and how do i do that with a different distro's package :o
[07:47] <lotusleaf> downloading the package lists were fun at 700 - 900 bytes per second, took almost 2 hours. ;)
[07:48] <enyc> lotu: hrrm you need a V90 external serial  modem ;-)
[07:48] <HappyFool> chocoIate: ubuntu has something called 'alien' -- I don't know how it works
[07:48] <tbasten_> AngryLogic, eer, i did  esd -d /dev/dsp and i got sound
[07:48] <Tallia1> alien packagename
[07:48] <enyc> alien wont help you unless you can use th kernel the modules in the package were intended for ..
[07:48] <HappyFool> chocoIate: type 'man alien' in a terminal window
[07:48] <Tallia1> with a previous sudo
[07:48] <Tallia1> man alien... could help you
[07:48] <AngryLogic> tbasten: curious :); sounds like esd was using /dev/dsp1 by default possibly...
[07:48] <gregg_> enyc, fear the power of insmod -f ;)
[07:48] <lotusleaf> enyc, I have an external 56k serial modem, and it worked fine in SUSE, but it is not working fine in ubuntu :(
[07:48] <chocoIate> ah found it : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromOtherDistroHowto
[07:48] <Ize> mounts the CD drives and "/dev/fd0/ on /mnt/floppy type cfat (rw) - Still dosnt give me WriteAccess tho
[07:49] <chocoIate> thanks HappyFool
[07:49] <Ize> vfat*
[07:49] <HappyFool> chocoIate: the odds of it working with a kernel module are very slim
[07:49] <enyc>  lotu: hrrm... not familair with setting up dialup-connections in ubuntu
[07:49] <tbasten_> AngryLogic, eer, i did  esd -d /dev/dsp and i got sound
[07:49] <Drako60> whats the best program to use to check a disc for bad sectors?
[07:49] <micsch> hi, how can i change the resolution in my console?
[07:49] <tbasten_> AngryLogic, now what?
[07:49] <enyc> drak: erm..  badblocks ..
[07:49] <HappyFool> lotusleaf: what did you set the 'speed' parameter to?
[07:49] <enyc> drak: do  badblocks -vs [device]   to do a simple read-only test
[07:49] <AngryLogic> tbasten: I'm not sure... thats really really odd, unless esd is using /dev/dsp1 as the default.
[07:49] <AngryLogic> tbasten: try outputting directly through alsa to /dev/dsp
[07:50] <enyc> drak: the best test though, is to do  "badblocks -wvs [device] " which WILL ERASE EVERYTHING on that device in the process
[07:50] <lotusleaf> guess I'll work this out on my own then, thx.
[07:50] <tbasten_> AngryLogic, how would i do that?
[07:50] <enyc> drak: you can do  "badblocks -nvs [device] " to do a read-write test that puts all the original data back as it goes, which  is slow but is fine solong as the testing machine doesnt crash
[07:50] <AngryLogic> gstreamer-properties, change output device to alsa and test it.
[07:51] <tbasten_> i dont use gstremer
[07:51] <AngryLogic> tbasten: what do you use?
[07:51] <tbasten_> eer
[07:51] <tbasten_> soz wrong thing
[07:51] <tbasten_> now its working
[07:51] <tbasten_> :S
[07:51] <tbasten_> thats weird
[07:51] <Drako60> enyc, well i'm working on backing everything up i'm not sure whats going on but i can't seem to go over 16GBs used on this drive, it just tells me device full
[07:51] <Tallia1> mhh, guys.. i cannot find this bios driver.. scph1001.bin
[07:52] <enyc> drak:  hrrm.. what filesystems do you have etc. etc. ?
[07:52] <Tallia1> it's for the playstation emulator.. have you got any idea of where i can found it??
[07:52] <treck> ave
[07:52] <enyc> drak: show us the relevant lines given by the output of "df" command please
[07:52] <enyc> tall:  look for 'pcsx'
[07:52] <Drako60> enyc, i'm using ext3
[07:52] <gregg_> Tallia1, try googling for scph1001.bin "index of"
[07:52] <enyc> drak, okay, and what partitions etc.
[07:52] <enyc> drak: give us the output of 'df' relevant lines ;-)
[07:53] <gregg_> Tallia1, but beware, it's kind of illegal ;)
[07:53] <Drako60> enyc, i don't want to paste here
[07:53] <enyc> drak: paste to 'enyc'
[07:53] <tbasten_> ok, now just curious, is there software for ubuntu (gui) that allows to set different ports for different things (i have a 5.1 dolby onboard soundbard and i want to get surround happerning)
[07:54] <Tallia1> gregg_: ehhe
[07:54] <enyc> tbas: sounds like 'jack' audio connection kit//system
[07:54] <Tallia1> gregg_: i know.. but could i know why it is illegal!?
[07:54] <Ize> enyc: could be it that Live Versions only give ReadAccess ?
[07:54] <gregg_> Actually it is only illegal if you don't have a psx yourself
[07:55] <Tallia1> but i have a psz
[07:55] <Tallia1> but i don't wanna bring the psx everywhere......
[07:55] <Tallia1> the laptop is better..
[07:55] <gregg_> I was assuming you don't have one because you want to run an emulator
[07:55] <enyc> ize: shouldn't be..  run "mount" when you have mounted
[07:55] <Tallia1> and under linux there aren't good games....... :)
[07:55] <enyc> ize: and fidnd the line relating to 'fd0'
[07:55] <gregg_> well, nothing beats the real machine. never :)
[07:56] <tbasten_> enyc, how do u use "jack"?
[07:56] <next_32> is anybody running breezy?
[07:56] <tbasten_> next_32, i running part breezy
[07:56] <Ize> "mount" replies fine with "/dev/fd0 on /mnt/floppy vfat (rw)"..
[07:56] <next_32> tbasten_ something got screwed and cannot figure  the way out
[07:57] <tbasten_> next_32, whats screwed?
[07:57] <next_32> my apt repositories, of course =)
[07:57] <tbasten_> lol
[07:57] <tbasten_> did you dist-update to breezy?
[07:57] <next_32> tbasten_  yes
[07:58] <tbasten_> next_32, well i assume u want to go back>
[07:58] <next_32> tbasten_ you see, apt-get update says I have to do 'apt-get -f install' to clear the mess
[07:58] <tbasten_> ?
[07:58] <thenuke> god damnit, xmms freezes whole Ubuntu, wont start playing mp3 at all
[07:58] <tbasten_> yeah same
[07:58] <thenuke> system sounds do play ok
[07:59] <tbasten_> yeah i have noticed that xmms seems to of been broken since hoary
[07:59] <next_32> tbasten_ but apt-get -f install  says there is trouble with kdelibs-data, tries to install it but it tries to overwrite a file belonging to another package (knetwork) so it bails out
[07:59] <thenuke> tbasten_: ookey.. What would be another suitable player?
[08:00] <k31th> do you need to use rsync with debian or ubuntu
[08:00] <HappyFool> thenuke: are you running breezy ?
[08:00] <next_32> tbasten_ i *thought* i could handle this
[08:00] <thenuke> HappyFool: no
[08:00] <HappyFool> thenuke: xmms works fine here. have you installed the required mp3 decoder library?
[08:00] <tbasten_> yeah
[08:00] <teknoprep> anyone here get unbuntu to work with fglrx
[08:01] <teknoprep> i get a black screen every time i startx
[08:01] <tbasten_> i can play mp3s with rhythmbox
[08:01] <HappyFool> thenuke: however, i use rhythmbox ('Music player') to play mp3s
[08:01] <thenuke> HappyFool: yes, I followed ubuntuguide.org and installed every codec there was suggested
[08:01] <next_32> teknoprep: are you running on dvi?
[08:01] <_hp_> what utility would i use to unrar RAR files created by winrar 3.0+ ?
[08:01] <teknoprep> no
[08:01] <teknoprep> its a laptop
[08:01] <HappyFool> thenuke: does Applications -> 'Sound and video' -> 'Music Player' also break ?
[08:01] <Tezkah> _hp_: unrar doesn't work?
[08:01] <teknoprep> i have gotten this to work on gentoo
[08:01] <_hp_> Tezkah: no
[08:02] <Tezkah> okay I might be having the same problem
[08:02] <Drako60> _hp_, unrar-nonfree or it might be nonfree-unrar worked for me, unrar didn't work
[08:02] <Tezkah> with a multipart rar file
[08:02] <gregg_> unrar-nonfree
[08:02] <next_32> teknoprep i'm at a loss there
[08:02] <Tezkah> do you have to add a source to your apt.sources list?
[08:02] <gregg_> Tezkah, multiverse probably
[08:03] <Tezkah> ah found a manual download
[08:03] <HappyFool> unrar-nonfree is in multiverse
[08:03] <HappyFool> you can find out by type 'apt-cache policy <package-name>'
[08:04] <thenuke> HappyFool: rhytmbox did work, thanks for the tip
[08:04] <HappyFool> thenuke: ok. still odd that xmms doesn't work
[08:04] <thenuke> HappyFool: a bit yes. tried alsa and oss
[08:05] <g14> Have you tried using Beep?
[08:05] <g14> instead of xmms
[08:05] <tbasten_> i am after i gui thingy where i can assign different ports on my sound card for different things
[08:05] <thenuke> nope, I think that rhytmbox is enough
[08:05] <tbasten_> eg left channel
[08:06] <JairunCaloth> why does dx9wine act like win 95?
[08:06] <Kraln> Heh, wine doesnt like x64
[08:06] <flevour> hi all
[08:07] <tbasten_> i am after i gui thingy where i can assign different ports on my sound card for different things (e.g. left channel, right channel)
[08:07] <tbasten_> i have an nforce2 chipset (onboard sound
[08:08] <lok> Kraln, wine has to use 32bits dll from windows so it can't be used on a x86_64 system
[08:08] <HappyFool> tbasten_: i dunno what you can use, but check out jack and friends (e.g., jackeq) and audacity
[08:08] <flevour> i am trying to compile a kernel following this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBuildpackageDetailedHowto, but when i launch dpkg-buildpackage the command fails sayng "abiname <version>" missing
[08:08] <teknoprep> i need the ubuntu kernel-source
[08:09] <teknoprep> so i can compile my own kernel
[08:09] <flevour> teknoprep: look at the link i just posted
[08:09] <wdh> teknoprep, apt-cache search linux-source
[08:09] <ivoks> flevour use kernelcompilehowto
[08:09] <HappyFool> tbasten_: or browse the 'Multimedia' groups in synaptic. there's lots of packages there to play with
[08:09] <ivoks> flevour it easy, fast and right way
[08:09] <Kraln> teknoprep, go to advanced in the package manager... it's there
[08:09] <tbasten_> HappyFool, ta
[08:10] <yonil> how do i get assembly tools such as "debug" ?
[08:10] <ivoks> flevour http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto
[08:10] <HappyFool> yonil: eek. you a DOS refugee ? ;)
[08:10] <tbasten_> Are there any cool tools for nforce2 chipset
[08:11] <yonil> HappyFool, lol nope, just that i want to run something using debug .. ( i dont even know how to use it yet)
[08:11] <wdh> tbasten_, sure there are.. try google
[08:11] <HappyFool> yonil: gdb is the gnu debugger
[08:11] <HappyFool> yonil: ddd is supposed to be quite neat, though i've never used it
[08:11] <Kraln> use insight with gdb
[08:12] <flevour> ivoks: thanks. do you think that after apt-getting the source i can use the command "dpkg-source -x filename.dsc" instead than tar xjf kernel-source, so i get the patched source or would this break things?
[08:12] <wdh> tbasten_, there is no point in asking here for something subjective as 'cool tools'
[08:12] <Kraln> gdb has a horrible ui, insight makes it workable
[08:12] <HappyFool> yonil: nasm is an assembler. i think there's a gnu assembler too (gas?) but i don't see it in synaptic
[08:12] <HappyFool> yonil: otherwise install build-essential for basics like gcc/g++ and make
[08:12] <tbasten_> wdh, you think your cool?
[08:12] <ivoks> flevour apt-get linux-source
[08:12] <ivoks> flevour then go to /usr/src and do tar xvfj linux-source
[08:12] <HappyFool> Kraln: emacs makes it workable too ;) (he said, having struggled endlessly with it...)
[08:13] <ivoks> flevour apt-get source linux-source is something else
[08:13] <flevour> ivoks: yeah, this way i get the patched sources, right?
[08:13] <wdh> tbasten_, is that relevant?
[08:13] <ivoks> flevour apt-get linux-source will give you ubuntu's patched source
[08:13] <flevour> ivoks: great.
[08:13] <flevour> ivoks: thanks.
[08:14] <ivoks> np
[08:14] <wdh> flevour, make that apt-get install linux-source
[08:14] <tbasten_> wdh, yeah. Stop thinking ya God. Get a girl and get layed. You think i havent been to google, or u think i never heard of it?
[08:14] <ivoks> yeah, right, typo :)
[08:15] <flevour> wdh: thanks for pointing out
[08:15] <wdh> tbasten_, relax
[08:15] <tbasten_> wdh, i just get sick of everyone saying goto google
[08:16] <xquizit> Hi, I have just installed Ubuntu (hoary) and I noticed I don't have /dev/cdrom and dvd? anyone know what I can do so I can listen to my music and play dvds?
[08:16] <HappyFool> xquizit: aren't they created when you put a CD in ?
[08:16] <wdh> tbasten_, i was just trying to make clear that you should specify what you are looking for. 'Cool tools' isnt going to help you find what you want.. neither here or on google..
[08:16] <xquizit> well I just put in a cd and nothing dvdrip can;t even seen em
[08:17] <wdh> s/or/nor/
[08:17] <tbasten_> wdh, lol, i am aussie, my vocabulary is very small
[08:17] <HappyFool> xquizit: hmm
[08:17] <zenlunatic> I'm having trouble with mpg321. Whenever I stream a file it says, "Playing MPEG stream from lamrim.com ..." and goes to "[0:00]  Decoding of lamrim.com finished." Instantly.
[08:17] <xquizit> HappyFool, strange isn't it also I dunno if it helps but i'm using XFCE4 and not gnome
[08:18] <wdh> tbasten_, at least thats a native english speaking country, thats more then i can say :) So not much of an excuse.
[08:18] <HappyFool> xquizit: i thought that the auto-mounting was handled by a lower level. guess i was wrong
[08:18] <Tezkah> so I'm trying to install mplayer, and it says that the packages are in "UNIVERSE"
[08:18] <tbasten_> wdh, lol
[08:19] <Tezkah> and http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ UNIVERSE is in my apt-sources list
[08:19] <ice_1963> were can i  get Libdvdcss2  ?
[08:19] <HappyFool> xquizit: tried manually mounting ? 'mount /dev/hdb' (or /dev/hdc, or whatever your cd/dvd drive is on?)
[08:19] <Kraln> here's a question, how do I get 4.1 audio to work properly?
[08:19] <HappyFool> Tezkah: i think lowercase might be a good idea there (universe) ?
[08:19] <Tezkah> HappyFool: yeah, it is
[08:20] <Tezkah> it shows up in synaptic
[08:20] <Tezkah> as checked off
[08:20] <wdh> tbasten_, try explaining what you want. After that, try to summarise that into a few words and search for those at google. if you end up with nothing, make up a clear and concise question to ask here.
[08:20] <Tezkah> but mplayer doesn't show up, any of the packages
[08:20] <xquizit> HappyFool, I'll try that
[08:21] <xquizit> HappyFool, I get this when I try to do it manually "mount: can't find /dev/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[08:21] <sean13> hey all, i'm having a problem with playing mp3's
[08:21] <sean13> i've followed the ubuntuguide but it still wont work
[08:21] <zenlunatic> sean13: What are you using?
[08:21] <sean13> xmms
[08:21] <wdh> sean13, what problems specifically?
[08:21] <lsuactiafner> i reinstalled ubuntu, but saved my /etc/apt directory and copied it back to the new system, now i did apt-get update but it gives me errors, cannot stat things?
[08:21] <sean13> wdh: they just won#t play, xmms freezes when I try to play one and limewire just wont play it
[08:22] <HappyFool> xquizit: mount /dev/cdrom won't work. You'll probably need to be super-user (e.g., 'sudo mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0')
[08:22] <flevour> lsuactiafner: can you paste the errors? rafb.net/paste (give us the link back)
[08:22] <tbasten_> wdh, ok, i am looking for a thingy that helps me with the watsie
[08:22] <xquizit> I was super-user but isn't hdc my harddrive?
[08:22] <xquizit> humm I don't have a hdc :-/
[08:22] <tbasten_> wdh, lol
[08:22] <keffo> hm, aint there something you can write to get your computer to stort shouting.. like /dev/dsp something
[08:22] <lsuactiafner> flevour : can i paste in priv please, not running a gui and no console browsers installed yet
[08:22] <sean13> zenlunatic, wdh: any ideas?
[08:23] <wdh> tbasten_, something like that :)
[08:23] <flevour> lsuactiafner: ok
[08:23] <^rob^> are ship-it cd's still going out?
[08:23] <HappyFool> xquizit: i don't know. you can find out using 'mount'
[08:23] <HappyFool> xquizit: but your hard drive is probably /dev/hda
[08:23] <wdh> sean13, have you tried to play other types of music files?
[08:23] <Hoxzer> where I can  find my phone if it's works like an HD?
[08:24] <flevour> ^rob^: i guess they are taking prenotations for the new release already
[08:24] <HappyFool> xquizit: this is assuming IDE
[08:24] <zenlunatic> sean13: Nope.
[08:24] <sean13> wdh: nope, the default sounds in gnome play fine though
[08:24] <^rob^> flevour: but if you ordered it before release, should you have it?
[08:24] <lsuactiafner> sata disks are /dev/sda
[08:24] <xquizit> HappyFool, yea its IDE I got this when I tries to mount "mount: No medium found"
[08:24] <flevour> ^rob^: it depends on how much "before"
[08:24] <HappyFool> xquizit: ah
[08:24] <HappyFool> xquizit: is it a music cd?
[08:24] <^rob^> about a month?
[08:24] <flevour> ^rob^: anyway it takes time, how long time ago did you ordered them?
[08:25] <HappyFool> xquizit: skip that, i think you get a different error mounting music cd's
[08:25] <wdh> sean13, try searching the wiki for something mp3 related
[08:25] <HappyFool> xquizit: try a different cd, anyway
[08:25] <^rob^> If that's normal, I'm not complaining or anything
[08:25] <xquizit> yeah i'm trying both music,data,and DVD, I have to cdroms ont cd-rw and one DVD
[08:25] <enyc> whats the most convinitent way to force fsck on a filesystem on next-boot ??
[08:25] <Drako60> sean13, what chipset do you have?
[08:25] <^rob^> But I'm about to send some computers down to Mexico and some poorer parts of TX, and I wanted them to have the nice pressed cds instead of home-made
[08:25] <sean13> wdh: ok thanks
[08:25] <HappyFool> enyc: tune2fs at a guess?
[08:26] <enyc> happ: maybe but im not sure whats the 'right' way to set "check on next boot"
[08:26] <teknoprep> yes yes
[08:26] <teknoprep> <--- the man
[08:26] <teknoprep> lol
[08:26] <xquizit> HappyFool, I have tried differant CDs and still nothing
[08:26] <teknoprep> got fglrx to work on unbunto
[08:26] <flevour> ^rob^: well, it took a lot for mines to get shipped, i dont know whats up with you. do you know you can check the status of your order on the same site?
[08:26] <teknoprep> what a pain in the arse
[08:27] <sean13> Drako60: it's a pentium processor, I used to be able to listen to mp3s before but then I formated the laptops HDD and now they don't
[08:27] <sean13> Drako60: I don't think i've ever tried hoary on this though, used to be warty
[08:27] <HappyFool> enyc: not sure
[08:28] <Drako60> sean13, i've had problems with esd and oss, if esd is running and you need oss, oss doesn't output, depending on if your using alsa or oss
[08:28] <sean13> i'm using alsa
[08:28] <Hoxzer> somebody here has used Nokia Phone with Ubuntu?
[08:28] <^rob^> flev: did not, I will check it there
[08:29] <Hoxzer> like transfering files ..
[08:29] <Drako60> sean13, still might be something to look at, i don't have a system that uses alsa so i can't test the theory
[08:29] <belc> How to setup pppoe connection in Ubuntu Live 5.04 ??
[08:29] <waterbeetle> howto extract rpm in terminal?
[08:30] <sean13> Drako60: ok thanks, i'll have a look
[08:30] <ubuntu> you mean pppoeconf
[08:30] <belc> tried to run pppoeconf but it just scanned the cd forever
[08:31] <HiddenWolf> how do I change the group on a large number of files?
[08:31] <HappyFool> xquizit: sorry, i'm not sure.
[08:31] <HappyFool> HiddenWolf: in a single directory tree ?
[08:31] <HiddenWolf> happyfool, yeah
[08:31] <HiddenWolf> looking for a chmod -r but for groups. :P
[08:31] <HappyFool> HiddenWolf: chgrp has a -R
[08:31] <HappyFool> ah
[08:31] <HappyFool> 'man chgrp' should set you straight ;)
[08:31] <xquizit> HappyFool, thats ok i'll figure somehting out :D
[08:32] <HiddenWolf> thanks
[08:32] <sean13> ok just tried a wma file and it wont play either
[08:32] <mirak> WARNING: couldn't find framebuffer base address, try manual
[08:32] <mirak>          configuration ("v4l-conf -a <addr>")
[08:32] <ryman> I'm trying to burn .iso file. I right click on the file - Write to Disc
[08:32] <mirak> I gt this error when running xawtv or configuring v4l
[08:32] <ryman> it said complete but it isn't
[08:33] <ryman> is there any other way to burn .iso file ?
[08:33] <dr_willis> use the cdrecord command line.
[08:33] <ryman> whats the command ?
[08:33] <dr_willis> or install one of the dozen other cdrecord front ends.
[08:34] <dr_willis> cdrecord "lots of options here depending on your system" foobar.iso
[08:34] <HappyFool> cdrecord is a little arcane, imo, even for command-line users ;)
[08:34] <dr_willis> HappyFool,  yep :P
[08:34] <dr_willis> actually i tend to just use K3B
[08:34] <waterbeetle> k3b!
[08:34] <HappyFool> i've had good results with the Right-click .iso and burn
[08:34] <HiddenWolf> happyfool, give me a reason why I suddenly get 'acces denied' on files i just chmod'd 744?
[08:35] <HappyFool> i'm under the impression they all use cdrecord anyway
[08:35] <dr_willis> HappyFool,  yea i think they do.. so troubleshoogint his problem is a deeper  problem.
[08:35] <HiddenWolf> everything but nero and k3b use cdrecord, I think.
[08:35] <dr_willis> Hmm.. I was thinking K3b Used it as well :P
[08:35] <gregg_> k3b doesn't use cdrecord anymore?
[08:36] <dr_willis> there was some OTHER cd burning program that dident use cdrecord.. but i forget what it was
[08:36] <waterbeetle> they all use cdrecord and other utilities
[08:36] <gregg_> dr_willis, nero linux doesn't use it :)
[08:36] <waterbeetle> but with a gui
[08:36] <HappyFool> HiddenWolf: *does bitwise decoding in his head* sounds wrong
[08:36] <dr_willis> gregg_,  but nero linux is barely useable, :P heh compared to k3b
[08:36] <belc> so.. no ideas about that pppoe ?
[08:36] <gregg_> never used it, is it that bad?
[08:36] <HiddenWolf> happyfool, it is....
[08:36] <ryman> thanks guy I'm trying k3b. it uses cdrdao
[08:37] <dr_willis> gregg_,  it got less then good reviews.
[08:37] <dr_willis> gregg_,  it worked.. but aparently k3b was better done and faster.
[08:37] <HiddenWolf> happyfool, it's a bug, it seems.
[08:37] <gregg_> ok, I might check it out :)
[08:37] <HappyFool> HiddenWolf: in what ?
[08:37] <HappyFool> HiddenWolf: try 'cat <filename>' ?
[08:38] <HiddenWolf> happyfool: bookmark in nautilus gave me acces denied, just browsing there moves. :P
[08:38] <HappyFool> HiddenWolf: ah. maybe it needed to refresh itself ? sorry, don't know nautilus that well
[08:41] <Flav> there's a breezy version of a package that I want to install on my hoary system - is there a best practices doc on that?  d/l'ing and dpkg -i'ing would be fine with me, but i wanted to make sure doing so is the best approach (if it is)
[08:41] <Flav> wordpress 1.5, FWIW - it's 1.2.2 in hoary
[08:42] <Amaranth> Ok, folks. If you're using breezy now is the time to STOP using apt-get for awhile (don't upgrade).
[08:42] <tbasten_> Amaranth, whys that?
[08:42] <Amaranth> tbasten_: C++ transition, massive breakage until it's done.
[08:42] <HiddenWolf> happyfool, this is insane, bookmark gives me an acces denied, file is chmodded 755, and i'm the owner.
[08:43] <zerokarmaleft> i'm not touching anything around gcc until Array CD 1 :)
[08:43] <tbasten_> Amaranth, lol
[08:43] <Kraln> Amaranth, sounds like fun
[08:43] <Amaranth> zerokarmaleft: Not called Array this time.
[08:43] <HappyFool> Flav: pinning may help (though I don't pretend to understand it). http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto
[08:43] <zerokarmaleft> Amaranth, well whatever it'll be called
[08:43] <HappyFool> HiddenWolf: can you recreate the bookmark ?
[08:43] <Amaranth> zerokarmaleft: Colony CD 1 is out.
[08:43] <lsuactiafner> HiddenWolf : chmod a+rw file
[08:43] <lsuactiafner> and chown user.users file
[08:44] <ivoks> anyone using breezy?!
[08:44] <lsuactiafner> umm user.user file
[08:44] <Chiletix> Is there somthing similar like smb4k for gnome
[08:44] <Amaranth> ivoks: Appearently. :)
[08:44] <HiddenWolf> lsuactiafner, it's about 900 files, unfortunatly
[08:44] <ivoks> do not update it for weeks, i repeat, DO NOT UPDATE :)
[08:44] <dr_willis> Chiletix,  used to be several similer tools.. "gnomba' was one I think
[08:44] <lsuactiafner> HiddenWolf chmod a+rw *
[08:44] <HappyFool> but the perms are 755 anyway
[08:44] <Amaranth> ivoks: I already told them.
[08:44] <lsuactiafner> HiddenWolf chown user.user *
[08:44] <Amaranth> I'm thinking I should put it in the topic...
[08:44] <lsuactiafner> use -R if need be
[08:45] <ivoks> oh, ok :)
[08:45] <larsrohdin> what was the command to list processes and see how much memory they take?
[08:45] <lsuactiafner> ps aux but i would use top instead
[08:45] <srid> I installed enlightenment. But it is not appearing in GDM. What to do?
[08:45] <larsrohdin> yeah top was the one
[08:45] <srid> I installed enlightenment. But it is not appearing in GDM. What to do?
[08:45] <Kraln> Amaranth, you ever get the idea that X is out to get you, and that you should stick to vterms?
[08:46] <HiddenWolf> lsuactiafner, thanks, that solved it
[08:46] <dr_willis> srid,  the gdm/kdm login managers get their list from a dir. with a  WINDOWMANAGER.desktop  group of files.. let me see if i can find theem
[08:46] <AMCDeathKnight> whats the latest firefox for linux version?
[08:46] <Kraln> 1.0.4
[08:46] <Zym0tiC> AMCDeathKnight, 1.04 if i'm right
[08:46] <Zym0tiC> :0
[08:46] <Amaranth> Kraln: Not really.
[08:47] <Kraln> Amaranth, between the proprietary drivers and the retarded interfacing i'm about ready to give up
[08:47] <AMCDeathKnight> ok thanks
[08:47] <AMCDeathKnight> im behing
[08:47] <AMCDeathKnight> *behind
[08:47] <tbasten_> Anyone know if there is software similar to cakewalk express?
[08:48] <Amaranth> yay, i've got my first piece of functionality put back into smeg for 0.6
[08:48] <Zym0tiC> strange, when I run totem as user I get: art_render_invoke: no image source given. after this totem stops. but when i run totem as root everything runs fine
[08:49] <Zym0tiC> I reinstalled totem, but that doesn't helps
[08:49] <AMCDeathKnight> the totem program is really annoying
[08:49] <Zym0tiC> mplayer doesn't play all of my dvd's
[08:49] <tbasten_> try installing totem-xine
[08:49] <dr_willis> srid, the entries it reads are in /usr/share/xsessions/
[08:50] <Zym0tiC> i had to compile it myself because i had some major ac3 issiues
[08:50] <srid> dr_willis, btw ..me looking at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-20216.html
[08:50] <Zym0tiC> I have totem-xine
[08:50] <Zym0tiC> totem-gstreamer gives te same error though
[08:50] <tbasten_> sounds like a permission issue
[08:51] <AMCDeathKnight> I have totem-xine also, after being walkthroughed alot last night
[08:51] <Zym0tiC> yeah but how is that possible?
[08:51] <Zym0tiC> just my home dir
[08:51] <tbasten_> meh, just chmod 777 to anything to do with totem
[08:51] <AMCDeathKnight> Can I make myself auto login when i come in
[08:51] <Zym0tiC> i couldn't find a .totem map in my home dir
[08:52] <tbasten_> update ya database (updatedb)
[08:52] <tbasten_> then type locate totem
[08:52] <HappyFool> AMCDeathKnight: yes (i assume you mean on boot)
[08:52] <AMCDeathKnight> whow frozen-bubble game requires like 20 megs
[08:52] <tbasten_> i mean locate totem | more
[08:52] <AMCDeathKnight> No, on xchat
[08:53] <AMCDeathKnight> Sorry should have been specfic
[08:53] <dr_willis> srid,  yep --->  Create a file called e17.desktop in /usr/share/xsessions/    same place. :P
[08:53] <HappyFool> AMCDeathKnight: oh, yes, you can do that too ;)
[08:53] <AMCDeathKnight> How?
[08:53] <AMCDeathKnight> Im sick of identifying myself
[08:53] <HappyFool> X-Chat -> Server List, select a server and 'Edit'
[08:53] <Kimppa> Hmmm.. I have a .rar file, but when I try to extract it, I get an error message saying the archive type is not supported. I have the "rar" package installed
[08:53] <HappyFool> there's an entry for 'Nickserv password'
[08:54] <Zym0tiC> I found a lot of .totem-addons in my home dir
[08:54] <Kimppa> any ideas how to fix this?
[08:54] <jwsh> stupid quesiton: I'm installing ubuntu 5.04 off CD, and I'm given the choice between kernels - which should I pick (my choices are linux-386, linux-image-386, linux-image-2.6.10-5-386) I'm not sure what the implications of picking one over another would be
[08:54] <Laosiano> does anybody know how to format a second ide from gnome desktop?
[08:54] <mae> anyone up for a game of wesnoth
[08:54] <HappyFool> Kimppa: somebody mentioned unrar-nonfree earlier
[08:54] <AMCDeathKnight> done, thanks
[08:54] <HappyFool> Kimppa: in conjunction with winrar 3.0 (or something like that)
[08:55] <Kraln> jwsh: I'm pretty sure you should be good with the first one. If you need to update your kernel later it's pretty painless
[08:55] <jwsh> what's the difference between the choices though?
[08:55] <Funraiser> to launch totem-xine i guess it's totem-xine?
[08:55] <Kimppa> HappyFool: thanks, worked
[08:55] <HappyFool> jwsh: i think the first two are 'meta-packages', which depend on the lastest kernel available
[08:55] <jwsh> so what's the difference between linux-386 and linux-image-386 ?
[08:56] <jwsh> (why does one say "image" and one doesn't?)
[08:56] <waterbeetle> isn't the image what you booted with?
[08:56] <HappyFool> jwsh: linux-386 includes a dependency on the 'restricted-modules' packages
[08:56] <HappyFool> the other is dependent only on an image package
[08:56] <Laosiano> how can i format a second ide disk? anybody knows?
[08:57] <jwsh> HappyFool: and what does that mean?
[08:57] <Gentleman_finn> hey, I have a fat32 partition mountet where I have my music on :) but if I go into my music labrary, some folders like Bjrk or Sigur Rs, the ones with speciel characters it says - "Bj?rk" or - "Sigur R?s (invalid encoding)" I read someplace in the ubuntu forums that I can mount the drive and set a charset to it that supports all the different characters to it..! So i was wondering what charset I should use? :) thanks sorry for t
[08:57] <HappyFool> jwsh: in fact, linux-386's dependencies are linux-image-386 and linux-restricted-modules-386
[08:57] <srid> sri@infinity:/etc $ pkgi enlightenment
[08:57] <srid> Reading package lists... Done
[08:57] <srid> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:57] <srid> Package enlightenment is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:57] <srid> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:57] <srid> is only available from another source
[08:57] <srid> However the following packages replace it:
[08:57] <srid>   enlightenment-data e16-data
[08:57] <srid> E: Package enlightenment has no installation candidate
[08:57] <nakata> !kick srid
[08:57] <srid> !!
[08:57] <Flav> HappyFool: thx :)
[08:57] <HappyFool> jwsh: it means you probably want linux-386
[08:57] <HappyFool> ;)
[08:58] <jwsh> alrighty, thanks HappyFool
[08:58] <waterbeetle> I think the image is the kernel you booted with, it is the image on disk
[08:58] <HappyFool> Laosiano: using fdisk and mkfs
[08:58] <Funraiser> totem-xine command not found wtf?
[08:59] <Funraiser> :-/
[08:59] <tbasten_> type totem
[08:59] <tbasten_> lol
[08:59] <dr_willis> srid,  that guide seems to have issues.. Like the packages not being there.
[08:59] <srid> oh
[09:00] <dr_willis> srid,  i just looked at   the site they tell you to add to the sources.. im not seeing any e17 -
[09:00] <Flav> what's the difference between a recommended and suggested package/
[09:00] <diablin> hello all
[09:00] <srid> yeah, only e16
[09:00] <sri> dammit..srid keeps trippin my hilights :)
[09:01] <Tallia1> someone can use pcsx!?? i need a hand with plugins..
[09:01] <Tallia1> sosob
[09:01] <Amaranth> Flav: The New Maintainer's Guide explains that, let me get a link.
[09:01] <xelpud> can someone help me? i'm having difficulty getting gnome to recognize my fonts, I have installed the xfonts-terminus-dos package (hoary) but gnome does not list the font (i've tried restarting X)
[09:01] <Flav> Amaranth: sweet, thanks :)
[09:02] <Flav> xelpud: did you restart xfs?
[09:02] <Flav> xelpud: my guess would be the x font server needs restarting, but that's just a shot in the dark admittedly
[09:02] <tbasten_> anyonw had much experience with smmx visulisation plugins
[09:02] <xelpud> Flav: i'm not using xfs, atleast, I don't think I am. There is no xfs process and nothing under /etc/init.d for it
[09:02] <Helmutt> When I try to activate and test XV in gstreamer-properties I get an error! Here it is : Failed to construct test pipeline for 'XWindows (X11/XShm/Xv)'. Why is that? Can it have something to do with me using the vesa driver?
[09:02] <Amaranth> Recommends - Use this for packages that are not strictly necessary but are typically used with your program.
[09:02] <Flav> xelpud: ah, ok - so much for that idea :)
[09:03] <Amaranth> Suggests - Use this for packages which will work nicely with your program but are not at all necessary.
[09:03] <HappyFool> xelpud: tried xlsfonts ?
[09:03] <tbasten_> i cant get any of my visualization plugins to fullscreen
[09:03] <xelpud> I think it's only recognizing fonts under /usr/share/fonts and nothing in /usr/lib/X11/fonts
[09:04] <Helmutt> Cant somebody help me?
[09:04] <xelpud> HappyFool: xlsfonts shows the fonts I installed
[09:05] <xelpud> HappyFool: but gnome's font dialogue doesn't seem to list it
[09:06] <HappyFool> xelpud: hrm, sorry, no idea
[09:06] <djones> I think my google is broken. How can I find out when a freind was last on IRC?
[09:07] <HappyFool> doesn't nickserv know ?
[09:07] <k31th> lol thats a good one
[09:07] <k31th> i think google is broken
[09:07] <xelpud> HappyFool: heh thanks anyway, i'll keep googling
[09:07] <tbasten_> anyone use xmms visulisation plugins?
[09:08] <mirak> hi
[09:08] <jared> How do I restart apache in ubuntu?
[09:08] <tbasten_> sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart
[09:08] <jared> sudo: /etc/init.d/apache: command not found
[09:09] <HappyFool> i know it sounds a bit windows-y, but are there any plans for a GUI service manager ?
[09:09] <HappyFool> jared: try apache2 and httpd as well ? (e.g., /etc/init.d/apache2)
[09:09] <tbasten_> tbasten@Danasis:~ $ sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart
[09:09] <tbasten_> Password:
[09:09] <tbasten_> Restarting apache.
[09:09] <tbasten_> works fine for me
[09:09] <HappyFool> or not ;)
[09:10] <jared> Oh! that's it. Thanks!
[09:10] <Helmutt> tbasten@Danasis:~ $ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[09:10] <Helmutt> or ls /etc/init.d/
[09:10] <Helmutt> ...Can somebody help me?
[09:10] <jared> Are there any important differences between apache and apache2?
[09:10] <tbasten_> start off with apache
[09:11] <Helmutt> Can somebody help me?+
[09:11] <HappyFool> tbasten_: well, apache2 (the package) is ubuntu supported
[09:11] <bluefoxicy> "This because for all its flaws, the open-source model has powerful advantages. The deepest and also most interesting of these advantages is that, to put it grossly, open source takes the bullshit out of software."
[09:11] <bluefoxicy> Open Source development models make room for the bullshit from Open Source politics
[09:12] <tbasten_> anyone use xmms visulisation plugins?
[09:12] <tbasten_> i trying to fullscreen them
[09:12] <Shufla> hi :D
[09:12] <waterbeetle> I'm trying to install 'gtkmm-2.5.7', but when I configure it it says package 'glibmm-2.4' not found.  I have 'libglibmm-2.4' as through synaptic, isn't it the same?  can I link them? (or rename the file?) or do I need 'glibmm-2.4'?
[09:12] <wdh> tbasten_, try google
[09:13] <tbasten_> wdh, lol
[09:13] <tbasten_> :P
[09:13] <sean13> ha, got my music working
[09:13] <sean13> I ran ubuntu-geeks script
[09:14] <wdh> tbasten_, how many times have you been asking about those plugins now?
[09:14] <wdh> tbasten_, try #xmms
[09:14] <tbasten_> ok
[09:14] <HappyFool> waterbeetle: ubuntu main seems to have libgtkmm-2.4.1 -- do you need 2.5.7 for a specific reason ?
[09:15] <nu_tom> hey, i am a huge noob to linux and i just got ubuntu up and running, but i cant figure out wireless or the ndiswrapper.... can anyone remote into my computer and help me out?
[09:15] <wdh> does anyone have any experience getting a tilt-wheel on a mouse to work (to allow scrolling sideways)
[09:15] <wdh> ?
[09:16] <waterbeetle> HappyFool, yeah, I had that too...  It wouldn't configure with the program 'granule-1.1.5' so I got gtkmm-2.5...
[09:16] <tbasten_> wdh, google? Or join #tilt-wheel
[09:16] <tbasten_> :P
[09:16] <waterbeetle> I'll figure it out...
[09:16] <nu_tom> would anyone help me out?
[09:17] <HappyFool> waterbeetle: well, that doesn't seem to be an ubuntu package
[09:17] <HappyFool> waterbeetle: i'd recommend trying to install (from source) all of that stuff in your home directory
[09:17] <waterbeetle> HappyFool, that's what I'm doing
[09:18] <nu_tom> would anyone be willing to remote into me and set up wireless?
[09:18] <HappyFool> nu_tom: asking random people on irc to login to your machine is not wise. you can ask specific questions; there are people here using wireless (not me, though)
[09:18] <pepsi> hehe
[09:18] <waterbeetle> HappyFool, its a flashcard program for gnome, but it doesn't work with the ubuntu lib files...
[09:18] <HappyFool> waterbeetle: flashcard?
[09:18] <nu_tom> i just reformated... nothing on here lol
[09:19] <wdh> tbasten_, Stop thinking ya God. Get a girl and get layed. You think i havent been to google, or u
[09:19] <waterbeetle> HappyFool,flash-card vocabulary training stuff...
[09:19] <wdh>            think i never heard of it?
[09:19] <wdh> tbasten_, </quote>
[09:19] <wdh> :)
[09:19] <nu_tom> hey who has successfully setup wireless on ubuntu?
[09:19] <tbasten_> wdh, rofl. its on biatch
[09:19] <tbasten_> :P
[09:20] <tbasten_> nu_tom, google.com
[09:20] <nu_tom> tbasten, no kidding
[09:20] <tbasten_> Mwahahahahaha
[09:20] <tbasten_> nu_tom, nah sorry
[09:20] <nu_tom> i cannot figure it out... i have been reading and trying but this is my first time on a linux system
[09:21] <Shufla> hm.
[09:21] <Shufla> update.mozilla.org is telling me that I have not updated ffox
[09:21] <dsas> nu_tom: how far have you got? is your card recognised?
[09:21] <ivoks> Shufla we know for that problem
[09:21] <ruby> Shufla fuck off heeeeeeeeeeee!
[09:21] <Shufla> aha
[09:22] <ivoks> Shufla you can do a quick fix or...
[09:22] <Shufla> i was looking for bugreport :D
[09:22] <ivoks> Shufla wait day or two for a fix
[09:22] <Shufla> w8
[09:22] <Shufla> i'll w8:D
[09:22] <Shufla> ok
[09:22] <Shufla> please do not be angry
[09:22] <wdh> nu_tom, check the wiki
[09:22] <Shufla> but bugzilla database search is so....ugh :(
[09:22] <tritium> ruby, watch your language please
[09:22] <nu_tom> dsas, it is recognized in my device manager but not in my networking properties
[09:22] <Shufla> ruby: and i won't 'fuck off', please watch your wards...
[09:23] <ruby> fuck ur mom's ass Shufla
[09:23] <ivoks> Shufla that bug is reported: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10681
[09:23] <Shufla> ivoks: thanks. no more info needed :D
[09:23] <nu_tom> wdh, how do i do that?
[09:23] <Shufla> ruby: ??
[09:23] <wdh> nu_tom, check the topic
[09:24] <dsas> nu_tom: right, so you just can't connect to the network? you can see it?
[09:24] <Shufla> last Q - ffox is updated or not? i think i can change it's suer-agent string
[09:24] <wdh> nu_tom, uhm.. there used to be a link to the wiki in the topic :)
[09:24] <Shufla> (sorry, but i'm little confused :D)
[09:24] <wdh> nu_tom, just go to ubuntulinux.org and click wiki
[09:25] <HappyFool> Shufla: you can tweak general.useragent.vendorSub to '1.0.4'
[09:25] <wdh> Shufla, only security related updates in ff, iirc
[09:25] <nu_tom> no its in my device manager.... but my network settings only shows "modem connection(ppp0)" and "ethernet connection(eth0)"
[09:25] <Shufla> HappyFool: thx :D
[09:25] <HappyFool> that should get you into the extensions site
[09:25] <ivoks> you can just do cw ivoks
[09:25] <shutdownrunner> Is anybody working on getting enlightenment 17 into breezy?
[09:25] <nu_tom> wdh, i have tried but like i said this is my first time on linux, this topic is explained at like an intermediate language, i dotn know squat
[09:26] <Shufla> wdh: that's enough for me
[09:26] <nu_tom> it explains that i need ndiswrapper... but i dont even know how to install ndiswrapper
[09:26] <wdh> nu_tom, then search the wiki for that
[09:26] <nu_tom> thats where im at now :\
[09:26] <Kraln> nu_tom, are you using normal ubuntu or x86-64 ubuntu
[09:26] <nu_tom> 86_64
[09:26] <dsas> nu_tom, it should be in synaptic
[09:27] <Kraln> aha
[09:27] <Kraln> nu_tom, using the broadcom wireless card?
[09:27] <Kraln> or attempting to?
[09:27] <wdh> nu_tom, you'll learn more from searching then just asking here..
[09:27] <nu_tom> yes, the device manager says broadcom
[09:27] <nu_tom> i read up on that issue
[09:27] <Kraln> yeah
[09:27] <Kraln> you need to get the driver from the windows x64
[09:27] <Kraln> google for it, it'll come up
[09:27] <nu_tom> haha i was hoping to find someone who could just remote into my lappy and check it out :\
[09:27] <Kraln> then use apt-get and get ndiswrapper
[09:27] <Kraln> pff
[09:28] <nu_tom> im just lost at this point
[09:28] <Kraln> I have no time for that, it'd be easier for me to rm -rf
[09:28] <dsas> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper/ - installing ndiswrapper
[09:28] <nu_tom> ive been messing around with ndiswrapper and getting no where
[09:29] <Kraln> what's to mess around with
[09:29] <Helmutt> Hi!
[09:29] <Helmutt> When I try to activate and test XV in gstreamer-properties I get an error! Here it is : Failed to construct test pipeline for 'XWindows (X11/XShm/Xv)'. Why is that? Can it have something to do with me using the vesa driver?
[09:29] <Kraln> I figured this out in about five minutes this morning
[09:29] <wdh> so even gstreamer seems to think now there is something called 'XWindows' :S
[09:29] <srid> has anyone successfully run E17 under hoary/breezy?
[09:34] <Gentleman_finn> When I try to mount my fat32 drive it says "FAt: IO charset iso88591 not found" what I have in my fstab is: "/dev/hda5	/media/hda5	vfat	umask=0,iocharset=iso88591	0	0" what did I do wrong :)?
[09:34] <MstbZalle> good evening
[09:35] <Cloud20042009> how can i install my modem drivers?
[09:35] <MstbZalle> anone know how to fix sudo?
[09:35] <Seveas> Gentleman_finn, isn't it iso8859-1
[09:36] <Gentleman_finn> hmm I will try that brb :)
[09:36] <HappyFool> Gentleman_finn: how about iso8859-1 (that looks like the default anyway) ? also, i see vfat has a utf8 option
[09:36] <zenrox> MstbZalle,  go look on the www.ubuntuforums.org for help its on thare
[09:36] <Seveas> MstbZalle, what needs to be fixed?
[09:36] <HappyFool> Cloud20042009: what modem do you have?
[09:37] <Kimppa> Hmm.. I'm extracting a rar file with archive manager, and it seems like it actually would extract it, but the extracted file isn't saved anywhere o_O
[09:37] <kevin06> I'm looking for a good CD Burning Program, any recommendations?
[09:37] <Kimppa> kevin06: k3b
[09:37] <goldfish> k3b
[09:37] <kevin06> Alright, it is unanimous.
[09:37] <Chiletix> is there something like superkaramba for gnome
[09:37] <ruby> All australians are mother fuckers
[09:37] <kevin06> I liked k3b myself. LOL
[09:38] <dsas> kevin06: gnomebaker?
[09:38] <MstbZalle> Seveas when issueing a sudo cmd, I get "sudo: Unable to look up $HOSTNAME via gethostbyname() -- Password:postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory"
[09:38] <Seveas> ruby, language...
[09:38] <Seveas> MstbZalle, is that with *any* command issued via sudo?
[09:39] <MstbZalle> at least any I tried so far
[09:39] <kevin06> Kimppa, Does k3b handle MP3 and OGG out-of-the box, or do I need to add anything?>
[09:39] <ruby> all aussies are son of bitches
[09:39] <ruby> fuck
[09:39] <ruby> fuck you all
[09:39] <kevin06> ruby, dude, what's your malfunction?
[09:40] <MstbZalle> kevin06: s/malfunction/major malfunction/ *gg*
[09:40] <kevin06> :-D
[09:40] <Seveas> MstbZalle, what's the output of the command: hostname
[09:40] <MasterYoda> does ubuntu use reiser4?
[09:40] <Q_Continuum> it can.
[09:40] <Amaranth> ruby: Please don't do that.
[09:40] <Q_Continuum> if you want it to.
[09:40] <ruby> shut up kevin06
[09:40] <Seveas> MasterYoda, if you want it to it can
[09:40] <Q_Continuum> but I think it defaults to ext3
[09:40] <kevin06> dsas, does gnomebaker hangle MP3 and OGG easily, or do I need to install additional stuff?
[09:40] <Q_Continuum> ruby what's the problem?
[09:40] <pinko> yep, ext3
[09:41] <MstbZalle> Seveas: didn't try yet... I only know that /etc/hosts has "127.0.0.1 localhost" as its only entry
[09:41] <Seveas> MstbZalle, try it please :)
[09:41] <pinko> some distros can even put themselves on fat32
[09:41] <pinko> if necessary
[09:41] <MasterYoda> in the installer when I select reiser which version does it use?
[09:41] <kevin06> Ruby, just trying to figure out why you so blatantly hate a cool country, and why you feel the need to be vular here. Not that I find it offensive, just trying to know why.
[09:41] <Amaranth> MasterYoda: 3
[09:41] <MasterYoda> ok thanks
[09:42] <MstbZalle> Seveas: that'll take a couple of minutes... brb
[09:42] <pinko> sometimes I wish I had done that simply for ease of dual boot compatibility
[09:42] <dsas> kevin06: yeah it does
[09:42] <Seveas> MstbZalle, reboot?
[09:42] <Amaranth> afaik ubuntu doesn't support reiser4
[09:42] <MstbZalle> yep
[09:42] <MstbZalle> <-- Windozw
[09:42] <Seveas> if you do so, also grab the contents of /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts :)
[09:42] <MasterYoda> this installer is awesome
[09:42] <MstbZalle> ok :)
[09:42] <MasterYoda> it detected my ipw2200 card
[09:42] <kevin06> dsas, Alright! I might go with that...
[09:42] <MasterYoda> not sure if it got the correct network though, but we will see
[09:43] <kevin06> dsas, the description looks better, and I tend to like sticking with gnome.
[09:43] <ruby> B'cause of the arrogant attitude of national cricketers with players of other countries
[09:43] <vicks> Hi everyone. My mom sits on a winME-computer (is there a more crashy os?), so i wan't to install ubuntu on it. the problem is that she has no biradband-connection. i can download and burn it for her, but i'm wondering if there's a cd with programs and stuff like codecs?
[09:43] <pinko> I don't like gnome  very much
[09:43] <pinko> but I have to admit it's pretty.
[09:43] <MasterYoda> debian's buracracy and slow progress is getting to me...
[09:43] <Seveas> vicks, you might try the unofficial add-on cd
[09:43] <HappyFool> Amaranth: find -iname 'reiser*' -> ./kernel/fs/reiserfs/reiserfs.ko
[09:44] <HappyFool> in the modules dir
[09:44] <pinko> what codecs aren't on the ubuntu installer?
[09:44] <Q_Continuum> 42.
[09:44] <Seveas> vicks, http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd/
[09:44] <Amaranth> HappyFool: That's 3.
[09:44] <vicks> Seveas: ok, thanks!
[09:45] <vicks> pinko: av have gotten the idea that some codecs and stuff are included in ubuntu. maybe i'm wrong?
[09:45] <mattgirvan> Hey there,
[09:45] <ruby> sorry for the abusive language i used kevin06
[09:45] <tritium> ruby, please abide by the Code of Conduct, or be removed
[09:45] <vicks> aren't is what i meant to say!
[09:45] <ivoks> Seveas did u try that CD?
[09:46] <pinko> I don't know, it seemed complete enough to me.
[09:46] <Seveas> ivoks, no, but it's a collection of official packages...
[09:46] <ruby> who are you tritium to order me what i should do?
[09:46] <mattgirvan> In GNOME, a lot of my icons seem to of totally vanished or something, some themes just have either their generic icon for loads of things, or the theme i load just makes all my icons go blank.
[09:46] <pinko> well... I know I downloaded aviplay later
[09:46] <ivoks> Seveas mplayer and codecs?
[09:46] <pinko> but really, what is the best way to play video in linux?
[09:46] <kevin06> Ruby, I'm only trying to figure out what is your issue, not scold you for your language...
[09:46] <ivoks> pinko xine
[09:46] <mattgirvan> It was fine a day or two  ago, why has this happened all of a sudden.
[09:47] <refuze2looze> is there a way to add a directory as one of the main trees in nautilus (Home Folder and Filesystem)
[09:47] <tritium> ruby, the code of conduct is an ubuntu policy, not just mine
[09:47] <mattgirvan> pinko, VLC
[09:47] <pinko> hm
[09:47] <ivoks> xine is the best player ever
[09:47] <pinko> I used vlc in windows
[09:47] <refuze2looze> i like totem-xine
[09:47] <mattgirvan> Well VLC, is superb for me, it does everything I have came across.
[09:47] <ivoks> deinterlacing like no app has had before
[09:48] <Seveas> ivoks, i use totem-xine but deinterlacing is kinda sucky on my machine...
[09:48] <ruby> well kevin06 the arrogant attitude and racial comments made by some aussie cricketers does irritate me
[09:48] <pinko> I'll update my xine and see if it helps
[09:48] <MstbZalle> re
[09:48] <MstbZalle> $ hostname
[09:48] <MstbZalle> zalle
[09:48] <MstbZalle> --> no surprise here
[09:48] <vicks> does anyone know if the i686 kernel is included on the ubuntu install-cd?
[09:49] <MstbZalle> that's what I entered on install
[09:49] <humbraro> exit
[09:49] <Seveas> vicks, if my memory serves me right, it is not
[09:49] <misieq> hi
[09:49] <MstbZalle> $ cat /etc/hostname
[09:49] <MstbZalle> zalle
[09:49] <MstbZalle> matches w/ output of hostname
[09:49] <vicks> Seveas: ok
[09:49] <Seveas> vicks, it would take too much space :)
[09:49] <MstbZalle> $ cat /etc/hosts
[09:50] <MstbZalle> 127.0.0.1 localhost
[09:50] <MstbZalle> nothing else
[09:50] <Seveas> hmm
[09:50] <vicks> =)
[09:50] <Seveas> /etc/hosts seems odd
[09:50] <misieq> i have a portable usb 2.0 drive and i can connect it to my ubuntu box and copy files from it, but i'm not able to copy anything onto drive... even "cp file /media/sda1" does not work when done under root
[09:50] <ruby> can anybody tell me what the command wget does in linux?
[09:50] <Seveas> ruby, it can download files from the internet
[09:50] <MstbZalle> man wget *gg*
[09:51] <aeolist> ruby: you download files from the internet
[09:51] <aeolist> d'oh
[09:51] <aeolist> misieq: check whether the "read-only" feature of your usb drive is on
[09:51] <Seveas> MstbZalle, try changing /etc/hosts to something like http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/43
[09:51] <pinko> it's like a very simple web browser, wget.  I love it.
[09:51] <misieq> anyone?
[09:51] <Seveas> MstbZalle, of cource, change mirage (my hostname) to zalle
[09:52] <MstbZalle> Seveas: I would if I knew how...
[09:52] <Seveas> MstbZalle, ouch, indeed
[09:52] <Raskall> Got a new gadget for my ubuntu-laptop: http://charlotte.ronningveien.net/041004/albums/070505/normal_160505%20006.jpg
[09:52] <Seveas> sudo is failing on you :/
[09:52] <misieq> you mean drive as device or is it mounted ro??
[09:52] <aeolist> drive as device
[09:52] <aeolist> but do type "mount" and check if it's mounted as ro too
[09:52] <ruby> Does exo-kernel gives better performance than micro-kernel?
[09:53] <misieq> aeolist, nope, there is no such ability to make it ro
[09:53] <MstbZalle> can I access the root filesys r/w from a live CD?
[09:53] <aeolist> Raskall, the new gadget is the guy or the bird?
[09:53] <vicks> does the addon-cd put the packages on the drive, and then you install them with apt? (the addon.guide doesn't really give a clue on that)
[09:53] <Raskall> aeolist: the bird. :)
[09:54] <misieq> aeolist, /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,quiet,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8) [H100] 
[09:54] <aeolist> vicks, you can just try it and see
[09:54] <aeolist> misieq, if it's rw, it's rw
[09:54] <ruby> kevin06 do you know what an exo-kernel is?
[09:54] <MasterYoda> the installer is stuck saying testing network repository at 50%
[09:54] <misieq> but i cannot write anything onto drive :/
[09:54] <aeolist> misieq, maybe you are trying to mv a file bigger than free space
[09:54] <aeolist> ?
[09:55] <HappyFool> misieq: what error do you get?
[09:55] <MasterYoda> is this normal?
[09:55] <misieq> aeolist, nope, the file has some about 1,5 mb and i have 15gb of free space
[09:55] <misieq> HappyFool, there is NO error
[09:55] <Seveas> MasterYoda, are you from the US?
[09:55] <MasterYoda> Seveas: yes
[09:55] <Seveas> the US mirror is flaky sometimes
[09:55] <Seveas> try another mirror
[09:56] <aeolist> misieq, well, for starters, you can always buy a new flash drive O_O
[09:56] <HappyFool> misieq: and nothing in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog ?
[09:56] <misieq> aeolist, i do not want to. it's my mp3 player
[09:56] <MasterYoda> Seveas: how do I stop it?
[09:56] <Seveas> [Esc]  ??
[09:57] <aeolist> misieq, try a walkman :P... i cant think of anything useful to tell you right now
[09:57] <MasterYoda> Seveas: no dice
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[09:57] <misieq> aeolist, few last lines from /var/log/messages:
[09:57] <misieq> May 17 21:53:45 localhost kernel: SCSI device sda: 39063024 512-byte hdwr sectors (20000 MB)
[09:57] <misieq> May 17 21:53:45 localhost kernel: SCSI device sda: 39063024 512-byte hdwr sectors (20000 MB)
[09:57] <misieq> May 17 21:53:45 localhost kernel:  /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: p1
[09:57] <misieq> May 17 21:53:45 localhost kernel: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[09:57] <misieq> May 17 21:53:45 localhost kernel: UDF-fs: No VRS found
[09:57] <misieq> May 17 21:53:45 localhost kernel: UDF-fs: No VRS found
[09:57] <MasterYoda> nothing
[09:57] <misieq> May 17 21:53:45 localhost kernel: Unable to identify CD-ROM format.
[09:58] <MasterYoda> Seveas: I am just going to kill some pses
[09:59] <andreas_> Can someone please help me with CrossOver?
[09:59] <ruby> bye
[09:59] <MasterYoda> ok killing the processes worked
[09:59] <shido6> can I use hdparm to fix my loss of mouse when usin my dvd ?
[10:00] <treck> quit
[10:00] <goldfish> shido6: nope
[10:00] <andreas_> after having run sudo sh path-to.crossover.demo.sh I cannot install MS Office. Can someone please help me?
[10:01] <Tallia1> siiiiiiiiiiiiiiii funziona!!!
[10:01] <Tallia1> epsxe....... GRANDE!!
[10:01] <Tallia1> ehe
[10:02] <MstbZalle> no further idea?
[10:02] <misieq> aeolist, manual mounting did not help
[10:02] <misieq> aeolist, do u have any clue?
[10:02] <misieq> aeolist, it worked under other linux os
[10:02] <aeolist> actually i have not
[10:02] <misieq> aeolist, though usb 2.0 did not work there
[10:02] <philc1> Is there a utility or script I can use to benchmark how long my battery will last? It is not supported by acpi and so I can't monitor its charge directly, but would like to run the system until it powers off and have a time recorded on my hard drive.
[10:03] <HappyFool> philc1: i see in /var/log/messages a '--- MARK ---' message every ten minutes -- maybe you could use that (just look at the log file after you reboot)
[10:03] <pinko> can you use wmacpi -f
[10:03] <pinko> and have it guess?
[10:04] <Hoxzer> what is good software for linux to convert bittrate of mp3 ?
[10:04] <Hoxzer> to lower
[10:04] <MstbZalle> lower the bitrate? how ugly are you really? *gg*
[10:04] <Tallia1> hey guys, i wanna ask you a thing.... on my laptop as on others there's a function button that enables further shortcuts.. and other buttons are located under the screen........... how i can enable this buttons in ubuntu!?!? tnx for the help Andrea
[10:04] <Hoxzer> Mstb: I need store it to my self phone
[10:05] <MstbZalle> buy an MP3 player...
[10:05] <Hoxzer> it has like 68Mb memory :D
[10:05] <Hoxzer> No time
[10:05] <philc1> HappyFool: it's every 20mins on mine, but I see another message every few seconds (some acpi error) so that will work. Thanks!
[10:05] <Funraiser> cell phone
[10:05] <Seveas> Tallia1, that completely depends on the laptop
[10:05] <Tallia1> why
[10:05] <Tallia1> ?
[10:05] <Hoxzer> Mp3 costs like 200e
[10:05] <Seveas> Tallia1, because some can use them and some can't :)
[10:05] <Seveas> Tallia1, search on google for linux + your laptop model
[10:06] <Tallia1> and how i can know if mine function.......!?!
[10:06] <niklin> Hello there! I have just installed Ubuntu 5.04 and i'm having trouble mounting some raid partitions. The root is also on raid, but works fine. I have manually added the other partitions (fx /dev/md2) to /etc/fstab - but when booting ubuntu, it stops because it can't find a file system on the partitions (actually it runs fsck.ext2 hwich can't find the boot block). If I run mdstart first, I can mount the raid partitions manually.
[10:06] <Tallia1> ok
[10:06] <Seveas> if you happen to have an HP compaq nc6000, i can help you :)
[10:06] <MstbZalle> you can get MP3 players w/ 1 GB for EUR130 on ebay...
[10:06] <Hoxzer> I dont trust ebay :D
[10:06] <niklin> How can I get them mounted under boot?
[10:06] <Hoxzer> I use huuto.net
[10:07] <kzm> philc1, maybe I missed some discussion, but you can easily do your own marking at arbitrary resolution, of course.
[10:07] <kzm> philc1: while true; do time >> time.log; sleep X; done
[10:07] <kzm> (where X is the interval in seconds)
[10:07] <pinko> You know what actually works in ubuntu?
[10:07] <pinko> internet explorer
[10:07] <goldfish> Yep.
[10:07] <Tallia1> Seveas: i've found a page.. http://www.kcore.org/?menumain=4&menusub=1
[10:07] <pinko> and it can do a full windows update, too
[10:07] <goldfish> Use wine.
[10:08] <MstbZalle> tell me how to get sudo working and I'll try :)
[10:08] <goldfish> pinko: using wine?
[10:08] <pinko> crossover office
[10:08] <goldfish> ah right
[10:08] <pinko> so, yes.
[10:08] <goldfish> pinko: You have to pay for that?
[10:08] <philc1> kzm: yes, thanks =)
[10:08] <Echylo> anyone can tell how to run ".x86 files?
[10:08] <pinko> It's giving me warning messages to pay them, if that's what you mean.
[10:09] <goldfish> oh right
[10:09] <refuze2looze> how do i change the default open with prorgam?
[10:09] <ruby> hi
[10:09] <goldfish> pinko: easy to set up?
[10:09] <goldfish> refuze2looze: in nautilus , right click there is an option there
[10:09] <HappyFool> Echylo: depends what it is. try 'file <filename>' to see if your system can guess what the file is
[10:09] <pinko> crossover office is positively the easiest thing I've encountered in linux.
[10:09] <MstbZalle> someone moaned about the forum earlier tonight, but this person didn't give me a particular link... and as I don't read other sensible suggestions I guess I need to reinstall the feckin' thing..
[10:09] <goldfish> pinko: cool, i'll check it out, thanks.
[10:09] <pinko> for me it's worth the $39.
[10:10] <goldfish> ah
[10:10] <pinko> because I have an excel class :)
[10:10] <goldfish> pinko: you had to pay 39 dollars?
[10:10] <pinko> I don't know, I think that's what the price was.
[10:10] <refuze2looze> goldfish: but i choose the program then the next time i try to open it it still uses the program as before. i want to change the default program
[10:10] <pinko> haven't paid yet
[10:10] <goldfish> pinko: So it wasn't free?
[10:10] <zippykde> I have a weird problem that has literally just occured - Im running Hoary Hedgehog with Kubuntu desktop installed... I just dragged a file on the desktop into a folder on the desktop.. and EVERYTHING has vanished :-( My "Home" directory is now empty, so is the desktop - as though Ive changed users or am running root - though neither is true :-( - all my installed software is intact, but in its original state (eg Firefox now has no extensions etc).. an
[10:10] <goldfish> ah ok
[10:10] <HappyFool> MstbZalle: isn't there a rescue-mode boot option ? (you need to fix a file in /etc/, right?)
[10:10] <pinko> I really don't think they'll make you register.
[10:11] <goldfish> refuze2looze: oh right, hmmmmm. I thought that made it default :/
[10:11] <pinko> it's a simple "OK" window whenever you start a cxoffice application
[10:11] <pinko> very easy to live with
[10:11] <refuze2looze> goldfish: i thought that's how it's supposed to too, but nope
[10:11] <MstbZalle> HappyFool: there is... can you do that there?
[10:11] <HappyFool> MstbZalle: well, you should be root in rescue mode (not sure?)
[10:11] <Echylo> HappyFool, file <> gives this : pbweb.x86: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[10:11] <MstbZalle> dunno, never tried :)
[10:12] <ubuntu_alex> Twst
[10:12] <ubuntu_alex> wow..
[10:12] <ubuntu_alex> its all working !!!
[10:12] <pinko> anyway, openoffice's spreadsheet can do a lot.  the one thing it can't do, is homework for a class that specifically teaches excel.
[10:12] <HappyFool> Echylo: ok, well, you can try ./filename then. If that doesn't work, do chmod a+x <filename>, and try again
[10:13] <Echylo> thanks
[10:13] <HappyFool> MstbZalle: well, it might be easier than reinstalling
[10:13] <Echylo> works
[10:13] <niklin> Is sudo supposed to be set up by default, so you can use it with the "normal" (non root) user that gets created under installation?
[10:13] <CarlK> niklin - yes
[10:13] <HappyFool> niklin: yes
[10:13] <elektrolyytti> i ripped an rm video to a file with mplayer, how can i convert this rm to an mpeg so i can burn it as an vcd?
[10:13] <refuze2looze> goldfish: oh yeah, it's right click go into options and it's there
[10:14] <MstbZalle> HappyFool: do I just add my hostname to the already existing line, or on a separate line, or together w/ my local-network IP?
[10:14] <boow> i think mencoder should do it
[10:14] <niklin> Also when choosing "expert" mode for the installation?
[10:14] <CarlK> niklin - no
[10:15] <niklin> great... how do i fit that?
[10:15] <CarlK> log in as root
[10:15] <MstbZalle> well, I didn't choose expert mode, and I got no sudo either
[10:15] <CarlK> expert does ask for a root pw, right?
[10:15] <niklin> k
[10:15] <HappyFool> MstbZalle: i'll paste my hosts file at the paste-bin. there's some ipv6 stuff too
[10:15] <MstbZalle> don't need IPv6 :)
[10:15] <niklin> CarlK, yes
[10:15] <boow> you can try avidemux2 but you need mpegjtools and transcode
[10:15] <yacoob> Greetings.
[10:15] <CarlK> good - was a big foggy
[10:16] <HappyFool> MstbZalle: ok, in that case my first line is '127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost ubuntu' , where ubuntu is my machine's hostname
[10:16] <yacoob> Is Ubuntu ready for 'standard desktop machine' for common user?
[10:16] <HappyFool> yacoob: that's the idea
[10:16] <boow> you get that elektrolyytti
[10:16] <MstbZalle> uh-huh, that might already do the trick :)
[10:17] <HappyFool> MstbZalle: sorry, first and only line, really
[10:17] <yacoob> HappyFool: well, yup, but I'm curious about the facts :>
[10:17] <HappyFool> MstbZalle: everything else is ipv6
[10:17] <yacoob> I won't switch from debian anyway, but my gf considers switching.
[10:17] <_hp_> how do i make an audio cd in nautilus cd burner?
[10:18] <yacoob> (nothing extraordinary mail/news/web, movies/office)
[10:18] <MasterYoda> ubuntu rocks!!
[10:18] <niklin> None of the apps in "system" -> "administration" will run! No matter which password I give in, it tells me it is wrong :-( Will this be fixed by setting up sudo?
[10:18] <MasterYoda> it rocks hard
[10:18] <pinko> so mplayer does rm files?  that's interesting.  I should try that on all my old simpsons
[10:18] <MstbZalle> so I might need a line like '127.0.0.1 zalle.mshome.net localhost zalle' (w/ 'zalle' being my machine's hostname and 'mshome.net' the chosen network name (Windoze PCs in da fsckin' house *gg*))
[10:18] <colera> i installed xmms through synaptic and it won't play mp3
[10:18] <MasterYoda> is it a bad idea to treat ubuntu's testing archives like debian unstable and pull packages from there?
[10:19] <colera> and the default app for music won't play them either
[10:19] <boow> i can never connect to the backports server
[10:19] <colera> what's the deal?
[10:19] <MasterYoda> everythign just worked
[10:19] <pinko> they tell me that it is, masteryoda
[10:19] <MasterYoda> and it just worked good, I thought everythign just worked on debian...
[10:19] <yacoob> MasterYoda: I know people that use such setup, and live ;)
[10:19] <nmorse> I'm trying to install Beagle, but I don't know if Reiserfs extended attributes are enabled in the kernel
[10:19] <MasterYoda> later debian....
[10:19] <MasterYoda> later much!
[10:19] <morbidi> ola
[10:19] <HappyFool> MstbZalle: i don't know. seems reasonable
[10:20] <nmorse> Anyone have any idea? Reiserfs isn't even enabled in the kernel according to the linux-headers bit
[10:20] <pinko> it worked for me, too.  but they tell me it'll cause trouble if I keep doing it, and that nobody is going to want to fix it
[10:20] <transgress> ah i forgot how nice it is to lay out in the sun
[10:20] <nmorse> but it works on my reiserfs filesystem obviously
[10:20] <colera> what do you guy's use to play mp3?
[10:20] <HappyFool> colera: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:20] <transgress> colera: i use amarok
[10:20] <colera> HappyFool: thankyou
[10:20] <pinko> I use xmms
[10:20] <boow> im using reiserfs also
[10:20] <transgress> but that's kde... colera i also use rhythmbox for gnome however
[10:20] <colera> pinko:  i installed xmms but it won't play mp3
[10:21] <colera> it freezes
[10:21] <transgress> colera: you may need to enable the mp3 plugin on it...
[10:21] <colera> wierd
[10:21] <zerokarmaleft> nmorse, reiserfs extended attributes are not enabled in ubuntu's stock kernel, iirc
[10:21] <MstbZalle> HappyFool: thanks for up to here :) also thanks to the other guys who made reasonable suggestions :)
[10:21] <HappyFool> you need mp3 codecs, which are not included with ubuntu for legal reasons, i believe
[10:21] <transgress> colera: but for mp3's i must highly suggest rhythmbox
[10:21] <zerokarmaleft> nmorse, you'll have to compile your own kernel to index a reiserfs partition
[10:21] <pinko> well, you need to download a shady 3rd party plugin and kernel hack in order for xmms to play mp3s
[10:21] <colera> transgress: thankyou can i find that in synaptic?
[10:21] <pinko> but I found it worthwhile
[10:21] <MstbZalle> <-- briefly afk, then off for reboot
[10:21] <boow> apt-get gstreamer-mad
[10:21] <nmorse> Or just recompile the modules, zerokarmaleft
[10:22] <nmorse> I think I may do that and see if it works
[10:22] <pinko> maybe I should resist the temptation to be helpful
[10:22] <MasterYoda> do I just add another line like univers called multivers to pull from the multiverse?
[10:22] <zerokarmaleft> nmorse, that'll work too
[10:22] <boow> apt-get install gstreamer-mad
[10:22] <pinko> you say multiverse right after universe
[10:22] <shido6> can I use hdparm to fix my loss of mouse when usin my dvd ?
[10:22] <transgress> colera: it should be installed by ubuntu by default... but if not then yes you can
[10:22] <shido6> oh right, no
[10:23] <shido6> so what do i do about dma
[10:23] <shido6> i loose my mouse when I access my dvd
[10:23] <Shufla> huh. why .jar files aren't associated with ffox theme installer?
[10:23] <xim> hi all. if i plug a usb or firewire drive in my ubuntu laptop, shouldn't i see it on my desktop?
[10:23] <boow> hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc or hdd
[10:23] <nmorse> Ok, I'm trying to find the kernel source for this version in a .deb, but I don't seem to have one
[10:24] <xim> Shufla, there's more in .jar files than ffox themes
[10:24] <Shufla> xim: i'm clicikng on themes from official site and ffox offers me to open it with file-rolller :(
[10:24] <colera> transgress: yeah it is but i also doesn't play mp3 it seems
[10:24] <boow> i think all you need is kernel headers to compile something im not sure though
[10:25] <xim> Shufla, open them from the file menu in firefox
[10:25] <nmorse> and kernel-headers won't compile the module, of course
[10:25] <transgress> colera: you need gstreamer-mad0.8 or something like that... just look up gstreamer in synaptic... look for the gstreamer mad package... and you'll be good
[10:25] <Shufla> xim: same behaviour
[10:25] <nmorse> nevermind, it's linux-source-2.6.10
[10:26] <nmorse> Is inotify actually enabled in the kernel?
[10:26] <Absenth> anyone here pretty familiar with fsck?
[10:26] <transgress> what about it absenth?
[10:27] <fabbione> nmorse: not by default. you need to boot with 'inotify' option (without '')
[10:27] <Absenth> what would the correct syntax be to check an extended3 mirror array?
[10:27] <fabbione> nmorse: at that time inotify was not very stable. so you enable it at your own risk, but there is no need to recompile
[10:27] <boow> i no you cant fsck a mounted fs
[10:27] <colera> transgress: there is no mad package in my synaptic for gstreamer, do i have to edit that file that lets you look universal or something
[10:27] <nmorse> Ok, thanks fabbione
[10:27] <transgress> colera: have universe enabled?
[10:27] <Absenth> or better still, how would I force a file system check at the next boot, since you can't check a mounted disk.
[10:28] <boow> fsck -f i think
[10:28] <xim> Shufla, get the .xpi version of your theme
[10:28] <nmorse> fabbione, do you know what version of inotify was in that kernel?
[10:28] <transgress> colera: i'm betting you don't... you need to enable that to get it... because i'm looking at it now and it's in universe
[10:28] <boow> use a live cd to fsck your root fs
[10:29] <Shufla> xim: but theme like microfox is in jar. i'm confused...
[10:29] <fabbione> nmorse: yes. inotify-0.20-rml-2.6.11-3
[10:29] <nmorse> Darn, stuck on beagle 0.0.8 then
[10:30] <Shufla> xim: all themes are jars
[10:30] <Absenth> My scenereo would be,  /dev/hda1 and /dev/hdc1 = /dev/md0  which is mounted to /boot.       /dev/hda2/ and /dev/hdc2 = /dev/md1 which is mounted to /  If I can't afford the time to fsck at boot after an unclean shutdown, how do cause the system to check on next boot?
[10:30] <transgress> colera: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto go there
[10:31] <vicks> hi everybody! can someone tell me how much bandwitdh are required to connect to a remote desktop?
[10:31] <transgress> vicks: what DE?
[10:31] <nakata> vicks: how?
[10:31] <Amaranth> vicks: well, 56k is somewhat usable
[10:31] <Absenth> vicks: RDP, SSH, or VNC?
[10:31] <nakata> VNC or X11?
[10:31] <Absenth> vicks: or X11
[10:32] <nakata> ssh can't connect to a desktop, that's silly.
[10:32] <boow> i wouldn't worry about it if your using ext3 or reiser fs
[10:32] <nakata> 'thilly'
[10:32] <vicks> Absenth, eh i'm quit new to linux, but vnc i think (?)
[10:32] <transgress> nakata: have you read the sshd config?
[10:32] <transgress> vicks: what desktop environment?
[10:32] <REBELinBLUE> hey
[10:32] <nakata> transgress: sure
[10:32] <Absenth> vicks, 128k ISDN is about the slowest I've been happy with via VNC, although on that line we still had quite a bit of other traffic.
[10:32] <nakata> transgress: what about it?
[10:33] <Shufla> xim: o f..k. it won't install from "list of themes" page but it's installing from "theme description" page
[10:33] <transgress> nakata: ever notice X11 forwarding?
[10:33] <nakata> transgress: sure.  what protocol is that?
[10:33] <Absenth> vicks, cable, DSL, or a T1 all work pretty flawlessly via VNC.
[10:33] <Absenth> thanks Boow.
[10:33] <transgress> nakata: it's using the sshd...
[10:33] <vicks> transgress, gnome (ubuntu)
[10:33] <REBELinBLUE> has anyone been able to get a freecom classic USB2 hard drive working on ubuntu?
[10:33] <nakata> transgress: in short, it's X11 protocol
[10:33] <DeFi> ssh -Y user@host
[10:33] <vicks> Absenth, can i use 56k?
[10:33] <transgress> vicks: okay well that's gonna take more bandwidth than say... twm...
[10:33] <Seveas> nakata, it's x11 tunneled over ssh
[10:34] <nakata> yeah, again, that's right
[10:34] <nakata> ssh is not interpreting a damn thing
[10:34] <Absenth> vicks, 56k will work, but it won't be fun.
[10:34] <transgress> it's still using the ssh protocol to transfer it...
[10:35] <nakata> it's just a raw pipe, encrypting, possibly compressing slightly, and authenticating an X11 protocol spew to/from a server/client.  it's not a protocol, and the bandwidth difference from raw X11 is next to nothing as makes no odds.
[10:35] <nakata> a tunnel.
[10:35] <vicks> Absenth, =) ok. thanks
[10:36] <nakata> hell, cable's slow
[10:36] <Seveas> nakata, compression can be quite good though...
[10:36] <niklin> I was looking for hintsfor GRUB at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[10:36] <transgress> so is X11 forwarding as a remote desktop covered by saying SSH for remote desktop... yes... does saying using X11 to connect remotely cover using ssh to do this?  NO.  so saying ssh works.  so stop being so damned argumenative (sp?)
[10:36] <transgress> argumentative?
[10:36] <nakata> transgress: what if it's via a vpn
[10:37] <nakata> is it a vpn connection to my desktop or what
[10:37] <Seveas> transgress, it's not connecting to a desktop
[10:37] <Seveas> that's more of a job for VNC
[10:37] <Seveas> it's the reverse for X forwarding
[10:37] <Amaranth> DON'T UPGRADE BREEZY
[10:37] <Amaranth> just thought i'd shout that out ;)
[10:37] <transgress> Amaranth: wow... that's news
[10:37] <Seveas> the remote machine connects to the local X server
[10:37] <Seveas> lol Amaranth :)
[10:37] <nakata> ssh can do any arbitrary forwards you want
[10:38] <nakata> bridging a single port between the two and setting a DISPLAY envvar isn't really rocket science
[10:38] <lotusleaf> I resolved that pesky dialup issue I (and many others) was experiencing, quite trivial.
[10:38] <Seveas> Amaranth, WARNING, you'd better not upgrade to breezy yet
[10:38] <holycow> Seveas, the x server having the server on the local machine and client on the host machine imho is a brilliant brilliant design
[10:38] <nakata> nor does it really justify calling it a 'feature' of ssh, since it's only there for convenience
[10:38] <holycow> it means i can install x on my watch and still get a full desktop session if my watch has the horsepower for it
[10:39] <Shufla> Breeze is Brave Breath or Ordinary People Death (yes, I'm little drunk)
[10:39] <nakata> (port forwarding accomplishes the same damn thing)
[10:39] <holycow> so far ahead of its time, amazing
[10:39] <vicks> damn. i'm really starting to like gnome. never thought i would be able to do that =)
[10:39] <unix4love> vicks that how it goes
[10:39] <unix4love> same here
[10:39] <unix4love> :) but i love it
[10:39] <Seveas> vicks, just hang in there, you'll be cured from the KDE Kraze soon ;)
[10:39] <lotusleaf> it was as simple as sudo vi /etc/chatscripts/ppp0 and adding 115200 following CONNECT.
[10:40] <nakata> vicks: neat, i just switched to KDE :P
[10:40] <lotusleaf> vicks, me too, I just switched from SUSE 9.1 Pro using KDE 3.4 to Ubuntu. :)
[10:40] <nakata> used gnome for years, too
[10:40] <niklin> I think i found an error in the wiki (GRUBhowto): " Alternatively you could have the menu always come up at boot time. To do this uncomment 'hiddenmenu'. " I think it means to remove the #. but you have to insert the # to make the menu appear
[10:41] <vicks> as a completely new linux-user i went with kde in the beginning, and was amazed ba the graphics and the tweakability. but soon my linux looked like a fleamarket or something
[10:41] <shadeofgrey> okay guys
[10:41] <shadeofgrey> i need serious help here
[10:41] <lotusleaf> nakata, what made you switch to KDE? :)
[10:41] <Seveas> shadeofgrey, well shoot, the help is all gone ;)
[10:41] <nakata> lotusleaf: gnome stripping out it's usability, the slowness, the gray...
[10:41] <Seveas> (just kidding)
[10:41] <shadeofgrey> i did some pretty substantial damage to my ubuntu box and im wondering if i shouldnt just say 'screw it' and totally reinstall the OS
[10:41] <nakata> started feeling like MacXP
[10:41] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, what did you do ?
[10:42] <nakata> that and, well, it hasn't really advanced in about 2 years
[10:42] <Seveas> shadeofgrey, how did you inclict this damage?
[10:42] <nakata> shadeofgrey: magic 8-ball answer: Most likely.
[10:42] <shadeofgrey> linuxjones:  i attempted to install k3b -- and i got it to run but every time it ran it gave me problems....  like it would flash errors, and even after i got it installed it wouldnt show up anywhere in my applications menu
[10:43] <Seveas> shadeofgrey, installed from the repositories?
[10:43] <lotusleaf> nakata, damn, and this coming from a long time gnome user? So why did I switch? LOL. :-P Are you suing the kde ubuntu now or did you install kde using ubuntu?
[10:43] <shadeofgrey> THEN i installed gnomebaker, hated it for 15 minutes, and then removed it.  but now, every time the system starts it gives me an error about some gnomebaker .png file missing
[10:43] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, you installed for a backports repo or a debian repo now your system is borked ?
[10:43] <Tallia1> hey guys........ i'm trying to install the ACER drivers for the laptop hotkeys.. and i need to know where are the headers and config kernel files..
[10:43] <pinko> archiving program for linux, which does rar files?
[10:43] <Tallia1> could you help me?!?
[10:43] <pinko> anybody, anybody?
[10:43] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, that's nothing
[10:43] <lotusleaf> suing=using
[10:44] <shadeofgrey> i used apt-get to install everything on my system
[10:44] <Garathor> pinko: rar
[10:44] <Seveas> pinko, unrar-nonfree
[10:44] <nakata> lotusleaf: i installed ubuntu, then kubuntu-desktop
[10:44] <shadeofgrey> what the hell is kubuntu?
[10:44] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, did you create a shortcut to gnomebaker on your desktop or the panel ?
[10:44] <Tallia1> kde + ubuntu
[10:44] <Tallia1> = kubuntu
[10:44] <nakata> lotusleaf: i just fell in love with KDE, the polished integration, the sexy messaging, etcetera
[10:44] <Seveas> Tallia1, apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r'
[10:44] <Seveas> Tallia1, apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[10:44] <shadeofgrey> linuxjones:  yes i did
[10:44] <nakata> shadeofgrey: #kubuntu
[10:44] <pinko> thanks, you two.  I'll see what I can get
[10:44] <unix4love> pfui
[10:44] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, right click it and delete it
[10:44] <Seveas> shadeofgrey, remove that shortcut :)
[10:44] <lotusleaf> nakata, ah. So kde *can* be installed in ubuntu without problems then? :)
[10:45] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, problem solved
[10:45] <nakata> lotusleaf: yes BUT
[10:45] <lotusleaf> nakata, yeah, I liked KDE for the longest time too, but I'm finding gnome to be pretty nice too
[10:45] <nakata> gnome cannot be entirely removed
[10:45] <shadeofgrey> linuxjones:  okay what are the repositories i need to be pointed to to get everything for k3b?
[10:45] <nakata> i tried, by removed libgtk
[10:45] <unix4love> kubuntu is the kde release of ubuntu
[10:45] <JohninMT> Hello everyone.....I am new to ubuntu...I had been using MEPIS, but I am uncomfortable with their newest commercial venture...  I need a little help....setting up to be able to mount a windows partition FAT32 from ubuntu
[10:45] <nmorse> Not if you need gaim or firefox
[10:45] <Tallia1> what is uname -r for!?
[10:45] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, that stuff is in main
[10:45] <shadeofgrey> and do i HAVE to install all of KDE to get k3b to work?
[10:45] <nakata> gnome integration is poor, at best..  and firefox is a whale, imho
[10:45] <nmorse> No, shadeofgrey
[10:45] <lotusleaf> unix4love, yup. But you can install kde in ubuntu though right? :)
[10:45] <MstbZalle> back on the channel w/ Hoary live and in colour :)
[10:45] <Seveas> unam -r gives you the kernel version
[10:46] <mcsf> JohninMT: try www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:46] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:46] <Seveas> JohninMT, search the wiki for mounting windows partitions
[10:46] <JohninMT> ty
[10:46] <unix4love> no u need some libs for that
[10:46] <vicks> i think kubuntu was rather unstable
[10:46] <JohninMT> btw....kubuntu from synaptic
[10:47] <shadeofgrey> okay...  whats the best front end to get for CDRDAO?
[10:47] <Seveas> gnomebaker or graveman are the recommeded things for gnome
[10:48] <lotusleaf> I have the latest version of the nvidia driver downloaded from nvidia's site, I was using it to install manually when I ran SUSE. But according to the Ubuntuguide I should now install it differently with Ubuntu. Following ubuntuguide, will this deliver the same driver and the latest version of said driver or should I manually install the nvidia driver from nvidia's homepage?
[10:48] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, well it used to cause problems I don't know if it still does...running k3b from within gnome that is.
[10:49] <mcsf> hi all, does anyone know how to get my audio settings back to what they were when i installed Hoary? no matter what i select in 'gstreamer-properties', everything sounds like i'm using $0.50 headphones. it all started yesterday when i was trying some skype howtos...
[10:49] <Seveas> lotusleaf, ubuntu had the latest nvidia driver in the repositories
[10:49] <Seveas> do NOT install it manually
[10:50] <lotusleaf> Seveas, much appreciated, thank you. :)
[10:50] <Seveas> lotusleaf, install linux-686 (for intel pcs) or linux-k7 (for amd)
[10:50] <Seveas> it'll give you the driver (and keep it up to date)
[10:51] <lotusleaf> Seveas, many thanks ;-)
[10:51] <npiv> can anyone give me a quick primer on the different sound drivers, Im using EssSound now as the default Ogg crashed xmms, should my system run alsa as well as ogg no problems or should i be glad one of them is working :) ?
[10:52] <transgress> ogg isn't a sound driver
[10:52] <transgress> it should run ogg fine
[10:52] <transgress> my box does...
[10:52] <hypa7ia> s/he might be thinking oss
[10:52] <npiv> transgress, - my bad, I mean OSS
[10:52] <Marble2> how can I log all login attempts, specifically for root
[10:52] <transgress> npiv: should run alsa-oss not real oss
[10:52] <npiv> hyapadi, - yup, and that would be he ;)
[10:52] <transgress> real oss is depricated
[10:53] <mcsf> hi all, does anyone know how to get my audio settings back to what they were when i installed Hoary? no matter what i select in 'gstreamer-properties', everything sounds like i'm using $0.50 headphones. it all started yesterday when i was trying some skype howtos...
[10:53] <MstbZalle> now the question is: how do I get the monitor frequency above 60Hz? I used to have 85
[10:53] <shadeofgrey> okay i just installed CDRDAO and Graveman - but neither have entries in my application menu
[10:53] <transgress> is it weird when your scent makes you hungry?
[10:54] <Seveas> MstbZalle, read man xorg.conf
[10:54] <shadeofgrey> how do i rebuild the gnome menu from cmdline again?
[10:54] <Seveas> transgress, yes...
[10:54] <Shufla> haha
[10:54] <Shufla> all is micro
[10:54] <Shufla> nice :D
[10:54] <transgress> Seveas: it's all the coconut oil!  smells so good.
[10:54] <Seveas> shadeofgrey, dpkg-reconfigure gnome-menus maybe?
[10:54] <Seveas> transgress, eeek
[10:54] <tanek> how do i change charset easily?
[10:55] <transgress> gnome-control-center
[10:55] <JohninMT> thanks for the help that worked..
[10:55] <JohninMT> ok...now mp3's
[10:55] <shadeofgrey> would stopping the gdm and restarting it do the same thing?
[10:55] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, Amaranth has written a gui for editing the gnoem menu
[10:55] <transgress> MstbZalle: you need to change the horizontal and vertical syncs
[10:55] <Seveas> JohninMT, back to the wiki then: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats :)
[10:56] <transgress> JohninMT: mp3 in what?
[10:56] <Seveas> (half the work of a good helper consists of knowing the ubuntu wiki :))
[10:56] <Marble2> how can I log all login attempts, specifically for root?
[10:57] <bluemax> hi
[10:57] <JohninMT> Sev....btw   why are mp3's not supported by default?
[10:57] <transgress> Seveas: yeah but i don't think that wiki covers things like gstreamer-mad and the fact that xmms plays them out-of-the-box usually
[10:57] <transgress> JohninMT: mp3's in what player?
[10:57] <Seveas> transgress, hmm, sounds like something to add to that page
[10:57] <nmorse> transgress: the wiki definitely does
[10:57] <eyequeue> Marble2:  less /var/log/auth.log
[10:57] <JohninMT> I added xmms....
[10:57] <MstbZalle> looks like there is no hsync or vsync defined in the default xorg.conf
[10:57] <nmorse> It's how I got mp3 support
[10:57] <Seveas> JohninMT, due to legal restrictions
[10:58] <nmorse> even though my sound doesn't work
[10:58] <bluemax> /dns $host
[10:58] <transgress> Seveas: i'm lazy... and if nmorse is right, then i guess i don't need to
[10:58] <unix4love> does someone know where to get some advanced gnome applets?
[10:58] <LinuxJones> Marble2, thye are already logged in >> /var/log/auth.log
[10:58] <bluemax> oops
[10:58] <JohninMT> ok... like non free
[10:58] <Seveas> indeed
[10:58] <eyequeue> Marble2:  or, to get just root, grep root /var/log/auth.log
[10:58] <transgress> exactly like non free
[10:58] <bluemax> hey is there a linux equivalent to windows' ipconfig command?
[10:58] <Seveas> bluemax, ifconfig
[10:58] <transgress> anyone use the flac format for ripping?  i'm wondering how the compression is on it...
[10:58] <eyequeue> bluemax:  what's it do?
[10:58] <Seveas> ifconfig is even MUCH more powerful :)
[10:58] <bluemax> thanks
[10:58] <LinuxJones> bluemax, ifconfig
[10:59] <unix4love> something useful
[10:59] <Amaranth> transgress: about 50% of the size of a WAV file
[10:59] <transgress> Amaranth: so still pretty freaking huge then eh?
[10:59] <nmorse> Yep, gstreamer-mad and xmms are both mentioned in the wiki
[10:59] <colera> hmm i installed mpeg2 and now totem displays dvd video but no audio
[10:59] <Amaranth> transgress: It is lossless...
[10:59] <Marble2> LinuxJones: All i see is cron jobs and sudo commands
[10:59] <transgress> nmorse: ah cool.  i just didn't remember them from my installing it
[10:59] <colera> any ideas?
[10:59] <transgress> Amaranth: isn't AAC lossless?  and i seem to recall it having decent compression...
[11:00] <Amaranth> no, ACC, MP3, OGG Vorbis, etc are all lossy
[11:00] <Amaranth> FLAC, ALAC (apple's lossless format), etc are lossless and all use about the same ammount of space
[11:00] <Marble2> nvm found it
[11:00] <Amaranth> err, AAC, not ACC
[11:00] <colera> Amaranth: they are gigantic though : (
[11:01] <soonindallas> hi. i'm looking for an application to show me all the wifi access points, or a wifi profile manager so I can choose between profiles for more than one location. thx in advance
[11:01] <LinuxJones> Marble2, look for the sudo entries those others are jsut sustem level jobs being run via cron. You are using sudo and not su right ?
[11:01] <Amaranth> colera: If you think lossless files take up too much room you don't need lossless files. ;)
[11:01] <Seveas> soonindallas, there is no such thing yet in the ubuntu repositories
[11:01] <nmorse> Oh god, I can't remember how to use the module-init-toosl
[11:01] <nmorse> too long away from Debian
[11:01] <Seveas> you might want to check out wifi-radar though
[11:01] <transgress> ah i was thinking AAC was ALAC... my bad
[11:01] <transgress> eh guess i'll use vorbis then
[11:01] <nmorse> How do I get a new module to start on boot?
[11:02] <transgress> i never seem to notice
[11:02] <eyequeue> nmorse:  /etc/modules
[11:02] <Marble2> LinuxJones: I found it. Does it log logins from gdm
[11:02] <transgress> nmorse: echo module >> /etc/modules
[11:02] <soonindallas> sveas: can you recommend a "3rd party" app ?
[11:02] <colera> hmm i installed mpeg2 and now totem displays dvd video but no audio. any ideas?
[11:02] <Seveas> you might want to check out wifi-radar though <== that one
[11:02] <transgress> colera: what kind of sound card do you have?
[11:03] <colera> hmm i forgot
[11:03] <colera> transgress: but my xmms plays sound
[11:03] <nmorse> Okay, when I build reiserfs as a module, and then check extended attributes, is that built as a seperate module or included in reiserfs?
[11:03] <colera> transgress: i fixed that
[11:04] <LinuxJones> Marble2, just >> sudo cat /var/log/auth.log | grep gdm
[11:04] <transgress> colera: it doesn't matter... totem is probably trying to run with alsa, xmms with esd... and if you have a crappy sound card that's gonna be the problem
[11:04] <nmorse> okay, time to reboot
[11:04] <eyequeue> reboot?
[11:04] <transgress> colera: lspci and tell me your sound card
[11:04] <soonindallas> seveas: if i install ap radar, will i have to uninstall any of the hoary distribution packages ?
[11:04] <Marble2> LinuxJones: No, I mean when I login via the gnome login screen, not terminal
[11:04] <abood> hi all
[11:05] <abood> guys, whats the command for config the pppoe for ADSL connection ?
[11:05] <transgress> colera: it's most likely gonna take killall esd, multimedia system selector, change to alsa, run totem then... finish dvd, multimedia system selector-esd, esd & to make it all work well
[11:05] <Seveas> soonindallas, no
[11:05] <LinuxJones> Marble2, gdm is the Gnome login screen those entries tell you when someone has logged in at the gnome login screen
[11:05] <colera> 0000:00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 01)
[11:06] <darkaudit> hmm... Colony this time? :)
[11:06] <Marble2> right
[11:06] <ggibeau> how can i update my libc6 package?
[11:06] <transgress> colera: yep just what i said... see above on getting it kicking right
[11:06] <Marble2> but wouldn't it still show as that user?
[11:06] <abood> guys, whats the command for config the pppoe for ADSL connection ?
[11:06] <omv0> should i format my HD to reiserfs or ext3fs?
[11:06] <Seveas> ggibeau, you do not want to do that
[11:06] <Seveas> ggibeau, if libpostproc0 complains: do NOT use marillat
[11:06] <JohninMT> I am back...with music...btw..xmms works does mp3 with alsa...so not too bad
[11:06] <transgress> colera: the problem is that it has no hardware mixer, so multiple programs can't use it at once... not on linux at least... so running things through esd work well for it, but stuff like dvd's need alsa.  because it doesn't cause sound lag.
[11:07] <LinuxJones> Marble2, yeah here as an example >> May 17 17:29:59 localhost gdm[7112] : (pam_unix) session opened for user willy by (uid=0) << that is from when I logged in 50 minutes ago
[11:07] <npiv> well its all up and running. Im not gonna get started with mplayer tonight, got my music and my fonts, And kudos It looks sweet :)
[11:07] <omv0> i am about to switch to ubuntu.. what's recommended? ext3 or reiser?
[11:08] <hypa7ia> omv0: reiser is better :-)
[11:08] <LinuxJones> omv0, I like ext3 :)
[11:08] <omv0> hehe google isn't helping either.. they both claim to be better and i'm getting confused about the differences between them
[11:08] <abood> guys, i need just help with how can i install a new internet connection with terminal ?
[11:09] <omv0> i know this is an annoying question, but can someone ppplease explain to me what's the difference?
[11:09] <colera> transgress: i understood most of what you said so after i watch the dvd i need to switch back to esd and start esd again>
[11:09] <hypa7ia> omv0: reiser is more recent, and faster, but ext3 is more established
[11:09] <dockane> a bit offtopic, but anyway : is there any usb device that is able to encode a tv signal (mpg,divx etc) and supported by linux
[11:09] <omv0> so as a new linux user, i should probably go with reiser?
[11:09] <hypa7ia> dockane: there are tuners but not afaik encoders
[11:09] <eyequeue> abood:  sudo ifup eth0?
[11:09] <hypa7ia> omv0: i would if i were you
[11:09] <omv0> thanks!
[11:10] <eyequeue> omv0:  if you have many small files, reiserfs tends to be better
[11:10] <abood> eyequeue, no dude i need to make a new connection config, for example  when i install a fresh copy of ubuntu ?!
[11:10] <dockane> hypa7ia, do you know which one are supported ?
[11:10] <JohninMT> I hate to pick brains and run...but thanks for the help...  are there any kubuntu chats?
[11:10] <abood> i know the command but i fotget it :S
[11:10] <hypa7ia> dockane: not sure.
[11:11] <nmorse> Great, I go through the Ubuntu installation instructions on beaglewiki.org for Hoary and find that beagle is apparently not even in the apt repository anymore
[11:11] <eyequeue> omv0:  ext3 has the advantage of having its roots in ext2, the defacto fs for years
[11:11] <Riddell> JohninMT: #kubuntu or poke me
[11:11] <colera> transgress: after i killed esd and switched to alsa it still doesn't work
[11:11] <JohninMT> ok..ty bye
[11:11] <MasterYoda> is the ipw2200 driver included in the ubuntu kernel source?
[11:11] <omv0> eyequeue- but how is that an advantage? i like new things =)
[11:11] <Seveas> nmorse, beagle will only be in breezy
[11:11] <colera> transgress: when i was using knoppx it worked fine. i used xine though
[11:11] <Seveas> MasterYoda, yes
[11:11] <nmorse> It should be in hoary-backports
[11:12] <Seveas> nmorse, backports are icky
[11:12] <omv0> both filesystems are journaled right? and that means that the search will be very fast with both, right?
[11:12] <eyequeue> omv0:  both are journalling fs's and i've used each on a machine as the primary fs, whichever you choose should work well for you on a general-purpose installation
[11:12] <nmorse> I know backports are icky, but supposedly it was in there
[11:12] <nmorse> where it is now, I have no idea
[11:12] <nmorse> and I hate apt-pinning
[11:12] <Seveas> omv0, journalling and searching are not related
[11:13] <transgress> i'm so loving this rio karma
[11:13] <omv0> oh.. for some reason i thought journaling meant storing in DB
[11:13] <eyequeue> omv0:  if you were going to install a web server, i'd probably recommend reiserfs, due to the many mall files in a directory concept
[11:13] <eyequeue> s/mall/small/
[11:14] <omv0> thanks eyequeue!
[11:14] <Seveas> omv0, journaling means storing filesystem operations
[11:14] <Seveas> logging*
[11:14] <omv0> ohh
[11:14] <eyequeue> MasterYoda:  i'm connected with ipw2200 now, and only using stock kernels, so i presume so ;)
[11:14] <nmorse> what's the breezy repo?
[11:15] <omv0> i saw my friend with ext3 and when he searched for a file it took less than a second.. how did that happen? is it related to the fs?
[11:15] <transgress> nmorse: i'd guess you just change the word hoary to breezy in your source.list
[11:15] <eyequeue> omv0:  really, i think the answer boils down to personal preference, everyone seems to have one, but my experience has shown each is a solid reliable fs
[11:15] <CrippsFX> does anyone here have realplayer installed? I installed it by using alien to convert the rpm, but now I can't find the realplayer binary.
[11:15] <Seveas> omv0, he must have used slacate
[11:15] <Seveas> slocate
[11:15] <MasterYoda> eyequeue: yeah, I greped it, it is there
[11:15] <Funraiser> with google desktop search it's very quick too, and it's NTFS so it's not related
[11:15] <nmorse> didn't work last time I tried it, transgress
[11:15] <MasterYoda> it has been decided that ubuntu rocks
[11:15] <nmorse> But time to do it again, I guess
[11:15] <Seveas> that one uses a database which is updated daily from a cronjob
[11:16] <transgress> nmorse: well it seems i guessed wrong :/
[11:16] <MasterYoda> I am so glad I installed / and /home in different partitions
[11:16] <MasterYoda> it made the switch so simple
[11:16] <MasterYoda> this is freaking awesome
[11:16] <omv0> oh cool, thanks seveas!
[11:16] <eyequeue> CrippsFX:  alien produces a deb, then you dpkg -i that deb
[11:16] <MasterYoda> and I thought debian was good...
[11:16] <CrippsFX> eyequeue, yes, I installed the deb with dpkg -i, but I can't find the executable (binary) file to actually run realplayer.
[11:17] <omv0> as soon as i finish backing up everything FINALLY no more window crap!! damn i hate windows
[11:18] <eyequeue> MasterYoda:  the only disadvantage i've seen with a separate /home (and i always use one btw, heh) ... if one os has a different version of a app, and it requires changes to per-user config files (~/.*rc)
[11:18] <eyequeue> MasterYoda:  that bit me when i had nfs-mounted home dirs, but it would be true on local-mounted multi-boot machines too, i'm sure
[11:19] <nmorse> darn it, breezy doesn't seem to have the package in it either
[11:19] <transgress> heh... i never use a separate home... just never got around to doing it... about all i make separate is /boot so i can lvm safely
[11:19] <therning> nmorse: what package?
[11:19] <nmorse> beagle
[11:19] <eyequeue> CrippsFX:  perhaps this? /opt/RealPlayer/realplay.bin
[11:19] <nmorse> It was in backports, it's not now
[11:19] <nmorse> It's not in breezy yet
[11:20] <Seveas> beagle IS in breezy
[11:20] <nmorse> I can't find it in there
[11:20] <Seveas> but mono in breezy is highly in flux right now
[11:20] <CrippsFX> eyequeue, nothing in /opt
[11:21] <eyequeue> transgress:  separate home also rocks when you have to reinstall, or, like i just had to do, when you have to ship your laptop back to the factory and want to purge all personal data from it first
[11:21] <colera> can you use "& command" and "command &" interchangably?
[11:21] <Seveas> colera, no
[11:21] <eyequeue> CrippsFX:  i ended up with that by following the realplayer instructions on ubuntuguide.org, perhaps that site may be worth looking into for you?
[11:22] <transgress> eyequeue: yeah i understand that... usually i risk it on upgrades, of course i usually backup my hard drive to disk or my external hd before i upgrade... and i'd rather /dev/random my drive to purge personal data heh
[11:22] <CrippsFX> eyequeue, I'll take a look there.
[11:22] <CrippsFX> eyequeue, thanks :)
[11:22] <eyequeue> transgress:  i dd'd /dev/random to /home, yeah :)
[11:22] <goldfish> lol
[11:22] <eyequeue> "dd'd"?  cute term
[11:23] <transgress> eh dd'ing around 15 gigs that i normally use on the entire computer neglecting the mp3's and pr0n... doesn't take too long...
[11:24] <Xik0> i dont know how i configure my apache2, anyone have a tutorial where can explain me how to configure?
[11:24] <therning> transgress, eyequeu: ever considered wipe?
[11:24] <eyequeue> i had to get rid of the pron^Wnucyulerlaunchcodes^Wfinancialdata^WSSNs^W er, identity theft and privacy, donchaknow? ;)
[11:25] <transgress> therning: wipe?
[11:26] <eyequeue> therning:  yes. b ut modern fs's basically invalidate the efectiveness now
[11:26] <therning> transgress, yes, apt-cache show wipe
[11:26] <Chamlap`> hi guys, quick question.  When trying to update I get these various errors;
[11:26] <Chamlap`> whaq: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/maindeb Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_maindeb_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:26] <transgress> anyone know of a howto to running an entire encrypted partition?
[11:26] <eyequeue> therning:  the multiple-overwrites are tyically *cached* and therefore don't happen
[11:26] <Chamlap`> anyone know what I need to do to get rid of them?
[11:27] <eyequeue> transgress:  used to be one on kerneli.org, but if not, i can look one up (kernel eye)
[11:27] <therning> eyequeue, I thought wipe did it's best to do it anyway, and mounting the partition sync would help, I think
[11:27] <transgress> no site at kerneli.org
[11:27] <eyequeue> therning:  ^^ not transgress
[11:27] <transgress> oh
[11:28] <transgress> i think it'd be spiffy to run my external drive as an encrypted partition... especially for my work shit that i really probably should hide better
[11:28] <therning> eyequeue: sorry, my fingers don't seem to be well-connected to my brain tonight
[11:28] <eyequeue> therning:  a good starting point is probably /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Encrypted-Root-Filesystem-HOWTO/index.html
[11:28] <npiv> is there a way to set up xmms to mimize into the top right, like gaim does  ?
[11:29] <eyequeue> or transgress ?  whoever, heh
[11:29] <Chamlap`> can anyone help me out?
[11:29] <lotusleaf> KDE has digikam, what is a comparable camera app for Gnome?
[11:29] <nmorse> I still can't find beagle anywhere
[11:29] <Raskall> anyone know of a good postfix admin interface? preferably something with php.
[11:29] <Raskall> (not webmin. dont like the webmin postfix module)
[11:29] <lamont> Raskall: vi?
[11:30] <transgress> eyequeue: heh nice
[11:30] <Raskall> lamont: for me thats ok, but I am going to let my wife administer a virtual domain and that is way to complicated for her.
[11:30] <lamont> ah, makes sense
[11:31] <Raskall> lamont: :)
[11:31] <eyequeue> therning:  actually, my gripe with wipe probably wouldn't apply to someone like you, but to someone less-fluent.  i'd fear the newbie might consider it will "just work" without extra precations taken, but i don't see a good solution to that
[11:31] <MasterYoda> does ubuntu's default config scale my pentium m cpu based on load?
[11:31] <rupertsw> Really embarrassing newbieish question: I want to upgrade my kernel sources to 2.6.11.10 and have 2.6.11.8 source tree already. Which patch do I need from kernel.org? I can't find the info anywhere
[11:31] <MasterYoda> cause if it does this is f-ing awesome
[11:31] <eyequeue> transgress:  that's in doc-linux-html package btw
[11:32] <Seveas> MasterYoda, for me it does :)
[11:32] <therning> eyequeue: yes, as with almost all security-related issues, you need to know what you're doing
[11:32] <npiv> whats the eclipse package called ? so I can apt-get it ?
[11:32] <nmorse> Eclipse runs in Java, right?
[11:32] <Seveas> npiv, there is no eclipse package in ubuntu afaik
[11:32] <transgress> eyequeue: cool thanks
[11:32] <nmorse> And Java's not included in ubuntu, right?
[11:33] <Seveas> nmorse, well, gcj is
[11:33] <transgress> nmorse: nope... but it's easy as hell to get on ubuntu
[11:33] <mirak> what can shutdown my monitor ? I killed xscreensaver daemon but it still shut down after some time
[11:33] <npiv> Seveas - allright thanks
[11:33] <eyequeue> rupertsw:  does .11 work on ubuntu?  it didn't at one point i know ... apt-cache search 2.6.11 will probably list what you need
[11:33] <nmorse> I highly doubt that there's an Ubuntu eclipse package
[11:33] <eyequeue> transgress:  np
[11:33] <npiv> Whats a good Direct Connect client for linux (ubuntu)
[11:33] <transgress> nmorse: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java pow!
[11:33] <nmorse> There really is a wiki for everything
[11:33] <transgress> nmorse: if there isn't and you know how to do it, you can help make it that way
[11:34] <tritium> Method 3:  install java-package, and use make-jpkg to build your own .deb
[11:34] <eyequeue> rupertsw:  hint, kernel-* packages are from debian, linux-* packages are from ubuntu btw
[11:34] <rupertsw> eyequeue, No - I was hoping just to patch my existing source tree (capped broadband :( ), so I just need to know what the patch marked 'V' in kernel.org is against!
[11:34] <CrippsFX> eyequeue, I installed real player the way the ubuntu guide prescribed, but I can't open realplayer ... it just won't load.
[11:35] <darkaudit> now registered linux user 390214 :)
[11:35] <goldfish> lol
[11:35] <concept10> dont get registered, they will come to your house
[11:36] <transgress> MS will that is
[11:36] <omv0> haha
[11:36] <darkaudit> let 'em come! :-D
[11:36] <npiv> Whats the best font for the console ?
[11:36] <eyequeue> rupertsw:  "apt-cache search 2.6.11 | grep ^linux" then "apt-cache show foo" for whichever one you want more info on.  iirc, one of them had a good description of "add this to make the ubuntu tree" or such
[11:36] <tritium> rupertsw, 2.6.11 is unsupported
[11:37] <rupertsw> eyequeue, Sorry, I don't think that's what I want to do, as that would require downloading the entire package. As I already have the 2.6.8 sources, I just want the differences.
[11:37] <eyequeue> CrippsFX:  ls -l tells me here: /usr/bin/realplay -> ../lib/realplay-10.0.4/realplay
[11:37] <lotusleaf> KDE has digikam, what is a comparable camera app for Gnome?
[11:37] <rupertsw> tritium, Well if it breaks,  I'll go back...
[11:37] <eyequeue> rupertsw:  ahh, i'm not sure then
[11:37] <Predius_> rsync?
[11:37] <tritium> rupertsw, for example, there are no linux-restricted-modules
[11:38] <k31th> wats the point in rsync
[11:38] <rupertsw> eyequeue, Don't worry then. Thanks anyway.
[11:38] <PrediusV2> Just download the changes.
[11:38] <k31th> i want one of those cell chips
[11:38] <rupertsw> PrediusV2, Yes, but which bleeding changes!!!?
[11:38] <lotusleaf> I want a cell phone in my brain
[11:38] <PrediusV2> Check the changelog?
[11:39] <PrediusV2> www.kernel.org
[11:39] <PrediusV2> k31th, what would you run over the cell chips?
[11:39] <eyequeue> /me subscribes lotusleaf's brain to some telemarketing lists
[11:39] <PrediusV2> there's no linux, bsd on the,.
[11:39] <therning> lotusleaf: gphoto
[11:39] <PrediusV2> *them
[11:39] <lotusleaf> lol
[11:39] <k31th> PrediusV2: thats the problem
[11:39] <lotusleaf> therning, thx ;)
[11:39] <k31th> soon as there is
[11:39] <k31th> those chips are Ubber fast
[11:39] <Chamlap`> hey guys, when trying to play a divx file in totem I get this error: Totem could not startup. Resource busy or not available.  Any ideas?
[11:40] <lotusleaf> if I install kde via synaptic from within ubuntu/gnome will it bork anything?
[11:40] <eyequeue> lotusleaf:  no
[11:40] <TestDummy> lotusleaf: Why don't you just use Kubuntu then? :P
[11:40] <nmorse> not at all, lotusleaf
[11:40] <nmorse> It's what I di
[11:40] <TestDummy> Er..
[11:40] <nmorse> did*
[11:40] <k31th> PrediusV2: some one port it lol
[11:41] <k31th>  would be wicked difficult id imagen
[11:41] <lotusleaf> TestDummy, I have 56k and I can't endure many more long downloads :) that's why. I felt like clawing my eyes out when I waited through the ubuntu iso download
[11:41] <TestDummy> Oh..
[11:41] <lotusleaf> nmorse & eyequeue thx :)
[11:41] <lotusleaf> TestDummy, appreciate the suggestion though ;-)
[11:41] <TestDummy> Hm, I've been trying to get Ubuntu to work right on my laptop, but it only wants to run in 640x480, still. I've tried editing xorg.conf, to add in 1024x768, but it's already there. I can't choose it though, all I get is the option for 640x480.
[11:42] <xml-blog> hi all. I just read the ubuntu guide section on mounting filesytems and a forum thread on accessing digital cams via usb, but need a little help. looking at the output from lsusb, how can I figure out the necessary incantation to mount (especially the /dev/???? parameter)?
[11:42] <TestDummy> (Yes, the hardware does support 1024x768 fine. It's supposed to be the native res, and it worked before with Warty.)
[11:43] <xml-blog> in other worse, I get a line of output like this from lsusb: Bus 002 Device 004: IS 0784:1689 Vivitar, Inc.
[11:43] <concept10> xml-blog: by looking at tail -f /var/log/messages
[11:46] <synd> how do i hide xmms
[11:46] <xml-blog> concept10, thanks. I see something in there usb-storage. based on that, does this seem ok? sudo mount -t vfat /dev/usb-storage /media/camera ?
[11:47] <Chamlap`> how can i tell totem to use xv for video?
[11:47] <mrgibson> Hello, i compiled a new kernel using the wiki kernelhowto but now, my grub seem to be fucked up, when I boot I got a pivot_root: file not found error (I am using hoary)
[11:47] <concept10> xml-blog: looks good if its fat32
[11:48] <synd> how do i hide xmms
[11:48] <unix4love> hi folks i need libgtkmm-2.0.so.1.deb file can someone help me to find this ?
[11:48] <cusco> unix4love: doesn't apt have it?
[11:48] <xml-blog> concept10, actually it didn't work and neither did scsi4. and the messages files says scsi4 - scsi emulation for usb mass storage
[11:49] <cusco> unix4love: apt-cache search libgtkmm
[11:49] <eyequeue> Chamlap`:  system > multimedia systems selector > video > default sink > output
[11:49] <xml-blog> maybe usbfs
[11:49] <concept10> xml-blog: i would unplug it, wait couple of secs, plug it back in and watch everything that is written to /var/log/messages
[11:49] <xml-blog> ok
[11:49] <xml-blog> thx
[11:49] <npiv> What is running on port 661 ? I just installed kubuntu fresh out of the box
[11:49] <npiv> ubuntu I mean not kubuntu sorry
[11:49] <willis> is there anyway to change the language of gnome in a session, or is it just setting locales which will do it
[11:50] <pvh> I have a USB GPS device, and I'm trying to see whether it's working. Where is it likely to be in /dev/ and how can I watch a /dev file? Can I just 'cat' it?
[11:50] <eyequeue> unix4love:  sudo apt-get install libgtkmm2.0-1c102
[11:50] <willis> pvh, less -f /dev/----
[11:50] <pvh> willis: thanks -- any idea what name it would be found under in /dev/?
[11:50] <pvh> willis: i know the conventions vary between kernels and distros...
[11:50] <xml-blog> concept10, ok it said bew full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5 scsi5: SCSI emulation for USB mass storage etc
[11:51] <willis> pvh, and check dmesg and /var/log/syslog for any hint as what it could be called
[11:51] <concept10> xml-blog: paste it here so i can look http://www.rafb.net/paste/index.html
[11:51] <willis> pvh, also if you're using udev /dev should be pretty sparse so you could just look around
[11:51] <synd> how do i hide xmms
[11:51] <goldfish> hide?
[11:51] <goldfish> transset 1 and click on xmms :)
[11:52] <xml-blog> concept10, thx. pasted
[11:52] <TestDummy> Blah, stupid laptop... nobody has any idea why I can't choose 1024x768 even though it's listed in xorg.conf?
[11:53] <Musagetes> Speaking of xmms ... Anybody had any experience with xmms freezing? I can't get it to play anything, it just freezes. Same happens with aplay, but rhythmbox works fine. :(
[11:53] <concept10> xml-blog: do you have anymore scsi or usb devices connected?
[11:53] <xml-blog> a usb mouse
[11:53] <MasterYoda> Musagetes: apt-get install beep-media-player
[11:53] <concept10> try /dev/sda1
[11:53] <xml-blog> ok
[11:53] <transgress> TestDummy: did you try changing the horizontal and vertical syncs?
[11:53] <eyequeue> synd:  startt it on workspace 4, minimize it, and change back to workspace 1? :)
[11:53] <TestDummy> Somebody said to do something to it but was pretty unsure
[11:53] <TestDummy> I forget who
[11:54] <Musagetes> MasterYoda: I'll check it out, thanks. :)
[11:54] <TestDummy> And I don't know what to do to it anyway
[11:54] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[11:54] <xml-blog> Special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[11:54] <Chamlap`> eyequeue: thanks!  Went there and did a test for XWindows (X11/XShm/Xv) and I get an error, any ideas?  I have the ati driver installed and working
[11:54] <synd> eyequeue, thats what i ended up doing
[11:54] <hybrid_goth> anyone on ppc here?
[11:54] <synd> eyequeue, i keep forgetting this is not Mac OS and things cant be hidden :x
[11:54] <eyequeue> Chamlap`:  no, i'm not an expert on this at all, just recalled seeing it there on this machine recently
[11:54] <Chamlap`> ok thanks anyway :)
[11:55] <TestDummy> Eck, root.
[11:55] <Musagetes> MasterYoda: Beep crashes, exactly the same way xmms does. :(
[11:55] <xml-blog> hmm and now that it is scsi 5 lsusb shows device 005. I will try ls /dev and see what ends with "5"
[11:55] <eyequeue> synd:  actually, they can, somehow, though i don't know the details.  gkrellm is running and is *not* visible on the taskbar at the bottom of my desktop
[11:55] <TestDummy> Musagetes: Change the sound output perhaps?
[11:56] <Musagetes> TestDummy: How? :(
[11:56] <TestDummy> Hm, isn't there the option "Output" somewhere in preferences??
[11:56] <synd> eyequeue, exactly. i have gkrellm running with the xmms plugin. seems redundant to have both xmms and gkrellm's xmms plugin running
[11:56] <eyequeue> synd:  if you figure out how, tell me, so i cann add xmms controls to gkrellm and not see either, heh
[11:56] <synd> eyequeue, and yes, gkrellm is not in my taskbar
[11:56] <hans_> is there prog which can play *.dat video files or vcds?
[11:57] <eyequeue> synd:  is there a way to get xmms or gkrellm visible on *all* desktops btw?
[11:57] <transgress> hans_: vlc can play vcd's
[11:57] <TestDummy> hans_: MPlayer?
[11:57] <synd> my gkrellm is visible on all..
[11:57] <admx> Hello Everyone
[11:57] <synd> eyequeue,
[11:57] <concept10> xml-blog: this is how my usb device shows up http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/FmRRWu80.html
[11:57] <goldfish> eyequeue: IF you right click, i think you can choose "Send to all workgroups"
[11:58] <goldfish> for xmms anyway
[11:58] <omv0> when is breezy done?
[11:58] <goldfish> gkrellm goes to them all i thknk
[11:58] <admx> What Webcam for laptops works well with Ubuntu 5.04
[11:58] <synd> omv0, october
[11:58] <eyequeue> goldfish:  hmm, not in my version i guess :(
[11:58] <omv0> thanks synd
[11:59] <synd> eyequeue, i have it set in the Config. for gkrellm to "Set window type to act as a dock or panel"
[11:59] <hans_> thx its working now
[11:59] <synd> eyequeue, Configuration > General > Properties tab
[11:59] <xml-blog> concept10, wow way different
[11:59] <xml-blog> yours has much more data after
[11:59] <xml-blog> I just pasted again