[09:06] <motaboy> Hi to all!
[09:47] <JRe> Anybody have notice that there is a bug with kde 3.4 and Cervisia?
[11:05] <Riddell> JRe: nope, what's the problem?
[11:07] <JRe> the icon in the konqueror toolbar has dissapeared is it normal?
[11:09] <JRe> i was discussing that yesterday with someone in debian-kde 
[11:10] <amu> moin'
[11:11] <JRe> good morning ;)
[11:15] <allee> moin'
[11:39] <JRe> good morning ;)
[11:41] <Riddell> JRe: cervisia toolbar icon may well be deliberate in an attempt to tidy up konqueror's toolbar
[11:42] <Riddell> of course what's really needed is a drop down menu of file views
[11:44] <JRe> Riddell: so it's not a bug
[11:44] <JRe> ?
[11:45] <Riddell> I suspect not
[12:03] <JRe> allee: i have seen in some kde packages changelog that some maintainer are sweeping from the kde.mk class file of cdbs from the one furnished on the kde svm
[12:03] <JRe> allee: you know why and if it's a good idea?
[12:13] <allee> JRe: AFAIU for standard KDE apps there's no big advantage to switch to kde.mk from alioth svn.
[12:14] <allee> JRe: when you plan to syn with a stable branch like done with the KDE modules new version is worth a look.
[12:14] <Riddell> do a diff and see what's changed?
[12:15] <allee> many patches are already submitted for CDBS to b.d.o.  Rest will follow soon.   So a future sync with cdbs with sid does the same ;)
[12:16] <allee> bbl lunch
[12:16] <JRe> allee: thanks good appetite ;)
[12:18] <uniq> anyone tried kimdaba? 
[12:20] <JRe> uniq: yeah i did
[12:21] <uniq> is it good? 
[12:22] <JRe> uniq: yeah it's good, moreover if you have a thousand pictures ;)
[12:22] <uniq> i have like 5000.. nicely sorted in a filestructure.
[12:23] <JRe> uniq: so it should be good but you have some long*** tagging stuff before enjoying it ;)
[12:24] <JRe> uniq: it lacks also some advandced logic queries
[12:25] <uniq> ok.. i'll try it.
[12:26] <uniq> can you tag directories? 
[12:28] <JRe> uniq: you can select all the pics of a direcotry and set a multiple tag
[12:28] <JRe> uniq: it's what you wantto do?
[12:31] <uniq> yes. thanks.
[12:33] <JRe> uniq: if you test it can you tell me if it's possible to reuse the tags set with digiKam with KimDaBa because it was not possible at the time when i tested it
[12:34] <uniq> you can only import exported kimdaba tags.
[12:35] <JRe> uniq: on kimdaba ML there is a perl script which is able to do the conversion if you're interrested
[12:35] <JRe> uniq: http://mail.kdab.net/pipermail/kimdaba/2005-January/000982.html
[12:36] <JRe> uniq: and http://mail.kdab.net/pipermail/kimdaba/2005-January/000979.html for the file
[12:36] <uniq> thanks.
[12:36] <JRe> uniq: they should have utilised the same database :(
[12:37] <JRe> next showimg release will also have a database feature
[01:14] <allee> JRe: there was a try long ago to standardize meta infos (KIMI) like KIPI.  No consensus was found.
[01:16] <JRe> allee: they are still working on that or they have given up?
[01:17] <JRe> allee: because it will be a kick-ass killer app set digiKam - ShowImg - KimDaBa :)
[01:18] <allee> No ongoing work.
[01:20] <allee> JRe: there's gwenview (4th kIPI app).   All of them were involded in KIMI and KIPI discussion
[01:30] <JRe> allee: aaaaaarg :(
[01:35] <JRe> allee: i think they will include some import/export
[02:52] <JRe> wo they are wroking on the skype support in kopete ;)
[02:54] <Riddell> hmm, GPLed?
[02:55] <JRe> i hope :) i just have seen this checking out the playground/network repo
[02:56] <JRe> it should be gpl no ?
[02:58] <Riddell> I think there's a skype API library that skype release, don't know the licence
[03:31] <Riddell> having SIP support in kopete would be cool
[03:42] <allee> Riddell: did anyone look at konference?  SIP, videoconferencing AFAIU
[03:45] <Riddell> allee: ah no, was going to but kde-apps was down
[03:45] <Riddell> thanks for reminding me
[03:51] <JRe> allee: you have try konference?
[03:54] <allee> JRe: It's on todo for over a year ;)
[03:56] <allee> When I tried it first did not compile and then it did not work :(  Then out of free time slots
[03:56] <allee> There's a new release.  I'm tempted to try again
[04:06] <allee> Okay, okay convinced I'll try konference again ;)
[04:06] <JRe> i try too sounds interresting ;)
[04:08] <JRe> i hope there is no unmet dependencies :)
[04:26] <JRe> allee: compile error it seems that ffmpeg is required
[04:32] <allee> JRe: requires much more.  Last time I stopped with: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=232107
[04:34] <JRe> allee: okay it's not easy to test ;)
[04:36] <allee> Yes, especially that I can find my old debian dir on a backup :(  Now from scratch again
[04:47] <JRe> allee: have you try recently kasablanca or kftpgrabber ?
[04:47] <allee> JRe: never
[04:51] <doko> amu: ping
[04:56] <uniq> kasablanca looks nice.
[04:57] <JRe> uniq: both kftpgrabber and kasablanca are nice
[04:57] <JRe> uniq: i think we need a best ftp client in kubuntu than konqueror
[04:58] <uniq> which do you prefer, kasablanca or kftpgrabber? 
[04:58] <uniq> kasablanca sounds cooler.
[04:59] <Riddell> what's better about them?
[04:59] <JRe> uniq: i have not tried the new version (kftpgrabber 0.6.2 and kasablanca 0.4.2)
[04:59] <uniq> ok.. i'll test both then :)
[04:59] <JRe> Riddell: handling the upload king (ascii binary) (enter passive mode) (set the upload policy)
[05:00] <amu> doko: yep?
[05:01] <JRe> uniq: tell me what you think about them ;) i am currently compiling kftpgrabber
[05:01] <uniq> what i miss in konqueror is a decent download queue.. and some way to limit downloadbandwidth.
[05:02] <JRe> uniq: there is the debian dir in the kftpgrabber tarball ;)
[05:02] <uniq> niceness.
[05:02] <doko> amu, did you have a chance to integrate my patch?
[05:05] <JRe> uniq: wow kftpgrabber new version have made amazing progress
[05:07] <amu> doko: comes on the sec. part of the day :)
[05:08] <JRe> uniq: if you want to quick test i have made a quickpackage http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/kftpgrabber (uploaded with kftpgrabber ;) )
[05:09] <uniq> thanks.. but I need amd64 package.. 
[05:10] <JRe> sorry ;)
[05:16] <JRe> uniq: kasablanca is nice too but it lackas some functionnalities i think
[05:18] <JRe> uniq: after testing both i would say that kftpgrabber is nicer for the moment ;)
[05:18] <JRe> Riddell: can i do a clean package of it for kubuntu?
[05:21] <Riddell> JRe: sure
[05:22] <JRe> it could be a good software for the one who wants more ftp features than the one of konqueror (and i don't love kbear very much)
[05:24] <uniq> i really don't like kbear at all.
[05:24] <allee> JRe: look at the tools again as a newbie.   Are they easy to use?  Your mother klicks on a ftp link and kasablanca/kftpgrabber starts ...
[05:25] <JRe> allee: my mother barely use ftp ;)
[05:25] <JRe> allee: for a newbie it's not as good as konqueror
[05:25] <uniq> allee: i see your point.. it shouldn't be associated with ftp-urls.. imho.
[05:26] <uniq> konq is good at downloading single files from ftp.
[05:26] <JRe> i agree with that
[05:26] <JRe> but it do have a place in the universe, no?
[05:27] <allee> JRe: thx.  Okay.  Newbies are served by konqueror.  So only powerusers left (for me universe sounds fine)
[05:30] <JRe> allee: yeah that way is goosd
[05:31] <JRe> allee: it's true that for a perfect newbie, konqueror is a way better
[06:12] <hunger> Hi there!
[06:13] <Riddell> hello hunger 
[06:13] <allee> hi hunger 
[06:14] <Riddell> brave
[06:15] <hunger> Riddell: All that can happen is me ruining my setup....
[06:15] <hunger> Riddell: I have backups.
[06:16] <hunger> Riddell: So far only a couple of kde-dev debs got uninstalled.
[10:47] <Riddell> doko: I'm investigating the 64 bit build failures of qt
[10:50] <doko> thanks, I did look at 3.3.4, but it's the same source.