[12:09] <Ghetek> wahoo! it was the webcam
[12:11] <Ghetek> ok two more questions for the channel. where are my harddrives (they are in the storage media folder but i cant access them) and how do i make numlock on at startup
[12:13] <nmorse> so what do I do, if the troubleshooting on those sound pages doesn't help at all?
[12:14] <Ghetek> take out your webcam
[12:19] <nmorse> I have no webcam
[12:19] <nmorse> It's a laptop
[12:20] <Blissex> aseigo: odds are it is fsafe to kill. Most APT stuff is idempotent.
[12:21] <nmorse> what sound card do you have, Ghetek?
[12:21] <nmorse> nevermind
[12:21] <nmorse> anyone else in here have an ali5451 sound card?
[12:24] <kkathman> hello Jormundgand  :
[12:24] <Jormundgand> Hey.
[12:25] <Ghetek> nmorse i have an sblive card
[12:52] (kkathman/#kubuntu) smouche: well, I dont really use Gimp or Gimpshot, because I like Photoshop on my Win box, and so, Wine isnt of use to me 
[12:53] <smouche> heh heh "Gimpshot" sounds like an even nastier name than "Gimp". 
[12:54] <Liz4rd> isnt it GIMPShop?
[12:54] <smouche> I think on Coney Island, there's a game people play called "Shoot the Gimp" or maybe "Shoot the Geek" or something
[12:54] <smouche> played with paintball guns
[12:54] <Liz4rd> lol
[12:55] <kkathman> well Gimpshop is just a re-layout of menus of Gimp to make it more productive and intuitive
[12:55] <Liz4rd> oh hey kkathman :)
[12:55] <smouche> ie, with an interface like photoshop, yes?
[12:55] <Liz4rd> yes
[12:56] <kkathman> smouche: well not really, 
[12:56] <kkathman> its just that the re-layed out the menu options to be more productive
[12:56] <kkathman> its not photoshop by a long shot
[12:57] <Liz4rd> oh god no, photoshop is WAY better :)
[12:57] <kkathman> GIMP has about 75% of Photoshop's functionality, but that 25% makes photoshop many times more productive
[12:57] <smouche> menus and preferences are a disaster in Audacity; I'm gonna have to try Cooledit with Wine, or go back to recording sound in Windows I guess.
[12:57] <kkathman> photoshop is one of the only programs I know thats worth its price
[12:58] <kkathman> yeah Photoshop in Wine isnt useable really
[12:58] <Liz4rd> no?
[12:58] <Liz4rd> dam
[12:58] <kkathman> well Liz4rd  what resolution do you have on your monitor when you design?
[12:59] <Liz4rd> 1280x1024
[12:59] <kkathman> I have 1280 x 1024
[12:59] <kkathman> yep...and it suxxors big time at that...plus theres the font issue 
[12:59] <Liz4rd> yeah i hate that stupid font thing with linnux
[12:59] <Liz4rd> linux*
[01:00] <kkathman> and while Quanta is extremely well designed and thoughtout, its no Dreamweaver either
[01:01] <kkathman> Quanta is the best advanced application I've seen in Linux
[01:01] <Liz4rd> :( man do i missdreamweaver
[01:01] <kkathman> I could get by with Quanta if I absolutely had to
[01:01] <Liz4rd> i might start using bluefish
[01:01] <kkathman> But because I do alot of PHP and MySQL, Dreamweaver makes that so easy
[01:02] <Liz4rd> it does
[01:02] <Liz4rd> but at least you can practice on your typing skils :)
[01:02] <kkathman> and with the new addon's to DWMX2004 it has solved alot of the XHTML things too
[01:02] <kkathman> Liz4rd:  lol...well its not too bad actually
[01:02] <Liz4rd> yeah?
[01:02] <Liz4rd> you got to stay with my one day and trow PHP at me :)
[01:03] <_nate> php is annoying
[01:03] <_nate> perl cgi is where its at
[01:03] <Liz4rd> python :)
[01:03] <_nate> phbbbt!
[01:03] <kkathman> spoken by a true non web programmer :)
[01:03] <_nate> i will have none of that nonsense! :)
[01:03] <kkathman> lol
[01:03] <Liz4rd> :)
[01:03] <nmorse> Ok, there are two drivers which do ALi chipsets and one is built into the kernel
[01:03] <Liz4rd> i want to learn a programing language so bad :P
[01:03] <smouche> carrier pigeons are the way to go.  or smoke signals.
[01:03] <_nate> php is nice, don't get me wrong, i just like perl a lot more :)
[01:04] <kkathman> nice smouche :)
[01:04] <_nate> Liz4rd: perl is a good place to start
[01:04] <nmorse> One for the 5451 chipset, which I have, and one for newer chipsets, which is built into the kernel
[01:04] <kkathman> perl is ok, but its bad for working with databases
[01:04] <Liz4rd> lmfao at smouche
[01:04] <kkathman> its nice for little stuff
[01:04] <smouche> drums, tin cans on string, yodeling.
[01:04] <_nate> kkathman: thats where php comes in, the lil bugger
[01:04] <nmorse> So how do I make sure ALSA is using the right driver for the card?
[01:04] <Liz4rd> LMFAO!!!!
[01:04] <kkathman> but try programming an ecommerce site in perl....uhmm..not gonna happen :)
[01:05] <_nate> blech
[01:05] <kkathman> but perl is fast and easy to learn
[01:05] <_nate> yep
[01:05] <kkathman> shoot I learned perl in one day
[01:05] <_nate> yeah, you NEED something like PHP or ASP for ecommerce
[01:05] <kkathman> ASP is basically gone
[01:05] <kkathman> its ASP.net now
[01:05] <_nate> meh, i think newegg still uses it
[01:06] <_nate> oh, right
[01:06] <transgress> and yet... it still sucks with .net added to the ned
[01:06] <transgress> end
[01:06] <transgress> woot.com uses asp... and they also go down like nobodies business... 
[01:06] <kkathman> .net suxxors
[01:06] <Liz4rd> i agree
[01:07] <kkathman> its about as proprietary as it gets
[01:07] <_nate> yeah, gotta hate most proprietary
[01:07] <_nate> i like standardization, we NEED standardization
[01:07] <smouche> kkathman, you really learned perl in a day?
[01:07] <Liz4rd> id believe it
[01:07] <kkathman> yep...its quite easy
[01:07] <_nate> it would help with linux development
[01:08] <Ghetek> how do i bring down the icon size in konqueror... its huge!
[01:08] <_nate> perl is pretty easy, reminds me of bash
[01:08] <kkathman> people like python for some reason...I think its more restrictive than perl
[01:08] <smouche> no prior programming experience here, and i need to start with something
[01:08] <_nate> lots of stuff is similar
[01:08] <smouche> it would be nice to finally get past "Hello World"
[01:08] <kkathman> Ghetek: control center -> fonts
[01:08] <Ghetek> thnx
[01:08] <_nate> python is kindof neat, in the sense it enforces white-space organization
[01:08] <transgress> man thank god for bittorrent... i'd feel upset if i couldn't get this mp3 player near filled up
[01:09] <smouche> just once I want to see a programming tutorial start with "echo Goodbye cruel world" instead
[01:09] <kkathman> smouche: if you can do "Hello Word", get time and date, and do simple math, you can do about 80% of everything you need :)
[01:09] <kkathman> hehe
[01:09] <transgress> _nate: that's why my boss hates it... he's more of a quick hack type person... and he makes the ugliest shell scripts ever
[01:09] <_nate> transgress: ick
[01:09] <transgress> granted they work
[01:09] <transgress> but i'd hate to debug them when he finds a bug
[01:09] <_nate> transgress: yeah, sure, but maintenance is UGLY
[01:10] <smouche> White space organization?  What's that, redistricting in Texas?
[01:10] <kkathman> lol
[01:10] <_nate> ha
[01:10] <smouche> heh heh, sorry, a little punchy today
[01:10] <_nate> no, it makes you use tabs
[01:10] <kkathman> hey I love redistricting :)
[01:10] <_nate> and every new line is a new command, so no forgetting ;'s
[01:11] <transgress> i don't... they keep redistricting here because the white parents don't want their white kids going to school with the black kids...
[01:11] <smouche> I like tabs.  Quite happy with the way kate marks tabs, and keeps track of wrapping, visually.  Don't know why more editors don't do that
[01:11] <kkathman> transgress: thats not redistricting in Texas :)
[01:11] <_nate> i think we need more africans in the US
[01:11] <_nate> not gangsters, africans
[01:12] <transgress> like ones that don't speak our language, africans?
[01:12] <_nate> i hate the gangsta pride, self-centered attitude of the prominent ebony culture
[01:12] <kkathman> In Texas we redistrict because finally we are getting rid of a bazillion handouts to illegal aliens
[01:12] <Liz4rd> lol
[01:12] <_nate> transgress: I know many Africans that speak English
[01:13] <transgress> i promote rights for illegal aliens kkathman
[01:13] <_nate> i don't
[01:13] <Liz4rd> uh oh
[01:13] <transgress> _nate: true... okay how about africans with accents, from africa?  like brought over from africa?
[01:13] <Blissex> kkathman: in Texas redistricting helps enacting bazillion handouts for politicos and their compaign sponsors :-)
[01:13] <_nate> transgress: yes, I know a few
[01:14] <kkathman> Blissex well that and taking money from more affluent schools and giving it to "poor" administrators who buy big cars, boats, and summer homes
[01:14] <transgress> man i really hope the "minutemen" fuckers start dying in the desert while "guarding" the border
[01:14] <_nate> transgress: The self-centered rap culture has got to go.  thats not real, not real people.  Its pride at any cost
[01:15] <Liz4rd> fucking wannabes
[01:15] <transgress> _nate: what do you mean by rap-culture?
[01:15] <kkathman> transgress: uhmm...I dont think I'd wish death on anyone
[01:15] <Liz4rd> oh ma crib nigga me and ma homes busten a cap yo
[01:15] <smouche> given what immigrants - "legal" and otherwise - contribute to the us economy, and how little they get back, quibbling over "handouts" is foolish.
[01:15] <Liz4rd> fucking retards
[01:15] <Liz4rd> :P
[01:15] <_nate> transgress: the prideful side of hiphop, the hateful, self-centered, mainstream "
[01:15] <_nate> "gangsta" culture
[01:15] <Liz4rd> lmao
[01:15] <kkathman> but again we kinda are letting this go political and not a help channel for kubuntu
[01:16] <transgress> _nate: umm... you mean like the fuckers who go around blasting lil soandso... with shiney rims?  or do you mean the people who liked the message in old school rap... such as tupac?
[01:16] <Tezkah> hail hitler I have a sound problem
[01:16] <transgress> Tezkah: what is it?
[01:16] <Tezkah> just kidding
[01:17] <smouche> heh heh
[01:17] <transgress> heh yeah
[01:17] <Liz4rd> lol
[01:17] <_nate> transgress: I mean the former, and also I mean the hateful, materialistic, lewd, promiscuous culture that has been developed primarily on a musical style.
[01:18] <_andre> my kubuntu not have sound...somebody help me plz?
[01:18] <smouche> well, as long as it has style.
[01:18] <_nate> lol
[01:18] <Liz4rd> lol
[01:18] <Liz4rd> smouche, you have jabber?
[01:18] <smouche> Plato hated music's pernicious influences  too, then again he was a proto-fascist, so what can you do?
[01:18] <transgress> _nate: kind of like the lewd, promiscuous culture developed by... advertising, television, the ruling capitalist countries?
[01:19] <_nate> transgress: exactly
[01:19] <judax> exactly? you guys are cracking me up
[01:19] <transgress> _nate: so wouldn't the problem be more of not a black, rap-culture, but of modern culture?  seeing as those things are the ruling influences over the majority of america?  and britain... and most non 3rd world countries?
[01:19] <smouche> well, my soundcard is lewd, blued and tattooed, and I'm pissed that apparently I can't record in stereo through the mic jack.
[01:20] <smouche> laptops suck sometimes.
[01:20] <transgress> smouche: haha never could... need a line input to do stereo
[01:20] <_nate> transgress: its not limited to only rap-culture, but it is most prominent in that
[01:20] <_andre> my kubuntu not have sound....i have a sound blaster audigy...somebody can help me???
[01:20] <Ghetek> go to konsole
[01:20] <smouche> but the thing is, transgress, I have a "stereo mic" setting here, which confuses me
[01:20] <transgress> _nate: i think not... go to upper middle class white america... you see the same shit... 
[01:20] <_nate> transgress: and man oh man, i like rap, the style, bug i can't listen to it, its so vulgar
[01:20] <Liz4rd> hey transgress think he has to uncommment that line on the OSS part in alasa modual?
[01:20] <Ghetek> _andre: go to konsole and type in lspci
[01:21] <_nate> transgress: not the same sort of hostility generated by it
[01:21] <transgress> _nate: and there are far more upper middle class white people, that upper middle class black people that can afford those shiney rims
[01:21] <transgress> _nate: the hell you say... you just haven't seen it through a poor persons eyes
[01:21] <_nate> transgress: you talked about rims, i spoke of the culture
[01:21] <_nate> transgress: I grew up poor
[01:21] <_nate> transgress: in a poor area
[01:21] <smouche> oy, we need to reorganize the fight space here.
[01:21] <_nate> transgress: so don't talk to me about poor
[01:21] <transgress> _nate: ever not eat?
[01:21] <Liz4rd> ok you guys
[01:22] <_nate> transgress: we've been under threat of that, yes
[01:22] <transgress> not under threat
[01:22] <_nate> transgress: but thankfully no
[01:22] <transgress> have you ever gone days without eating
[01:22] <kkathman> ugh
[01:22] <transgress> if not then you don't talk to me about poor
[01:22] <_nate> transgress: we went without in so much to just have the basics
[01:23] <_nate> transgress: i know what it means to just give up everything for your basic necessities
[01:23] <nmorse> Fixed my sound now, turns out External Amplifier was being confused with Line Jack Sense
[01:23] <nmorse> Disabling both fixed my problem
[01:23] <_nate> transgress: i know what its like to wear clothing found on the sides of the road, because we can't afford anything
[01:23] <transgress> yeah that's called lower middle class... poor is when you have to miss out on the basic necessities sometimes too
[01:23] <smouche> anybody heard any good kubuntu jokes?
[01:23] <Liz4rd> no
[01:23] <Liz4rd> tell them
[01:23] <smouche> nah, didn't think so.  Me niether.
[01:23] <transgress> a friend of mine swears it's some kind of disease that makes your ass itch
[01:23] <Liz4rd> quick befor one of them talks
[01:23] <_nate> tell me smouche 
[01:23] <Liz4rd> :P
[01:23] <transgress> kubuntu that is
[01:23] <Jormundgand> So a Ubuntu user and a Kubuntu user walk into a bar...
[01:23] <_nate> thats rich
[01:23] <Jormundgand> ...ouch.
[01:24] <smouche> Well, it is.  That's no joke.
[01:24] <transgress> haha
[01:24] <_nate> i have that disease
[01:25] <Liz4rd> um well then
[01:25] <smouche> ok, which has the uglier mascot, kde or gnome?  and can we even call that gnome foot thing a mascot?
[01:25] <transgress> what's the kde mascot?
[01:25] <Liz4rd> :P
[01:25] <_nate> a gear
[01:25] <Liz4rd> the gear
[01:26] <smouche> a dumbass dragon
[01:26] <_nate> lol
[01:26] <Liz4rd> oh yeh
[01:26] <nmorse> The KDE mascot is a dragon
[01:26] <_nate> that too
[01:26] <transgress> oh yeah...
[01:26] <transgress> umm ... well i think a dragon beats a foot only becasue it has two feet.
[01:26] <_nate> that thing i see when i go to shutdown
[01:26] <_nate> i saw it on suse when i used to use it
[01:26] <_nate> i was like, WHAT?!?!
[01:26] <smouche> gnome has one foot in the grave
[01:27] <kkathman> nmorse: gee I thought KDE's mascot was a K
[01:27] <transgress> i do believe gnome is a far way off from dying...
[01:27] <Tezkah> no its a dragon!
[01:27] <_nate> i need my glasses adjusted...
[01:27] <Tezkah> an evil dragon
[01:28] <smouche> bad bad dragon.  God awful ugly.
[01:28] <kkathman> you mean its not the mighty K
[01:28] <smouche> K is a logo, not a dragon, silly boy.
[01:29] <_nate> can you change that pic that you see when you go to shut down?
[01:29] <Liz4rd> that sounded gay
[01:29] <Liz4rd> :P
[01:29] <_nate> i don't want that stupid dragon on the moon
[01:29] <smouche> I don't want that dragon in a house, I don't want that dragon with a mouse
[01:29] <_nate> i do not like...
[01:29] <_nate> ok, lets stop
[01:29] <Liz4rd> LMFAO
[01:30] <Liz4rd> smouche do you have jabber?
[01:30] <Jormundgand> I do, I DO like green eggs and ham!
[01:30] <_nate> anyone know how to change the pic for the shutdown thing?
[01:30] <smouche> nope, never tried it, Liz4rd
[01:30] <_nate> I HATE IT
[01:30] <Liz4rd> smouche: msn?
[01:30] <_nate> with a passion
[01:30] <Jormundgand> Moral: Green eggs and ham indicates mould growth. Avoid consumption.
[01:30] <nmorse> Try Jabber, smouche
[01:30] <Liz4rd> yeah
[01:31] <nmorse> Use gaim or kopete
[01:31] <smouche> hey, Green Eggs and Ham taught me to read.
[01:31] <nmorse> Register a new account on jabber.org
[01:31] <_nate> Moral: Green eggs and ham indicates consumption of LSD.  Avoid human contact.
[01:31] <Liz4rd> thats to full
[01:31] <Liz4rd> use 
[01:31] <Liz4rd> jabber.unoc.net
[01:31] <smouche> I have kopete; only have one im account though, with yahoo
[01:31] <_nate> on windows
[01:31] <_nate> i use windows 2000
[01:32] <_nate> is linux good?
[01:32] <transgress> i hate you so much
[01:32] <_nate> lol
[01:32] <_nate> j/k j/k
[01:32] <transgress> i hate you like a fat kid at fat camp hates life
[01:32] <_nate> awwwww
[01:32] <_nate> thats not nice
[01:32] <Liz4rd> but it fit
[01:33] <Jormundgand> Is it possible to customise transparency for panels individually?
[01:33] <smouche> nope, don't think so Jormundgand
[01:33] <Ghetek> how do i make numlock on at startup?
[01:33] <transgress> actually i think it may be... in kcontrol
[01:33] <aseigo> lol.. just figured out what fubarred kynaptic.
[01:33] <transgress> didn't run apt-get update?
[01:33] <aseigo> the post install script for nagios and openssh-server require user input
[01:34] <_nate> ummm, besides the code?
[01:34] <aseigo> nope
[01:34] <transgress> oh
[01:34] <transgress> yeah
[01:34] <aseigo> lame
[01:34] <nmorse> Jormundgand: you'd have to use the XComposite extension for that
[01:34] <smouche> I didn't like kynaptic.  I use kpackage; very nice.
[01:34] <transgress> i started using synaptic again since it didn't require gnome and had a bit more functionality
[01:34] <_nate> i use synaptic
[01:34] <Jormundgand> nmorse: Ah. I'll wait until I update my graphics card then.
[01:34] <_nate> never tried kpackage
[01:34] <kkathman> be back a bit later :)
[01:34] <aseigo> _nate: that's not a bad idea either =)
[01:34] <nmorse> Yeah, XComposite allows for individual transparency
[01:35] <smouche> synaptic's ok, but kpackage makes it so easy to check dependencies etc.  Everything's hyperlinked; much easier to search.
[01:35] <transgress> does kpackage have the functionality that synaptic offers?  because i try to limit my gtk apps
[01:35] <Jormundgand> One thing from Synaptic I miss in Kynaptic is the ability to browse dependencies, depended packages etc.
[01:35] <Jormundgand> Other than that, I love Kynaptic.
[01:35] <_nate> brb
[01:35] <smouche> transgress, I believe so.
[01:35] <nmorse> I really like Synaptic, but if kynaptic's search was done like Synaptic's I'd be a switcher
[01:35] <transgress> i will have to look at it
[01:35] <transgress> nmorse: heh that's why i use synaptic too
[01:36] <smouche> the only weird thing about kpackage is it acts buggy if you use sudo,
[01:36] <smouche> but if you invoke it with kdesu, it's fine.
[01:36] <nmorse> I need to find somewhere to post that bit about the external amplifier/jack sense crap
[01:36] <nmorse> I wonder if there's a wiki somewhere it would be appropriate on
[01:41] <nmorse> How does one edit these wikis?
[01:41] <nmorse> I'd like to put it in hardware support for both eMachines laptops and sound cards
[01:43] <smouche> nmorse, do you mean the (k)ubuntu wikis?  I think you have to register, then you can edit.
[01:43] <nmorse> Okay, where do I register?
[01:45] <smouche> don't know exactly, nmorse, but I suppose somewhere on the site: http://www.kubuntu.org/
[01:45] <_andre> my kubuntu recognize a card sound but recognize the card i have in board..i want he recognize my sound blaster audigy.....somebody help me?
[01:46] <smouche> is that an external audigy, _andre?  I tried one of those, couldn't get it to work with any distro.
[01:46] <_andre> intern
[01:46] <smouche> on the other hand I didn't look hard for drivers, either
[01:46] <smouche> internal, I don't know.
[01:46] <_andre> :S
[01:47] <smouche> I'm off to eat something, see you folks later on
[01:47] <_andre> exist some drivers just for linux of audigy sound blaster??
[01:48] <Tezkah> hmm, I'm trying to install a KDE theme
[01:48] <Tezkah> and I can install it as root
[01:48] <Tezkah> but when I go into kcontrol as my user
[01:48] <Tezkah> it doesnt show up
[01:48] <Tezkah> should I try restarting KDE?
[01:52] <_andre> exist MSN messenger for linux?
[01:53] <transgress> _andre: a shitload.
[01:54] <transgress> _andre:  kopete has one
[01:55] <nmorse> Audigy uses emu10k1 driver
[01:55] <nmorse> Andre, try using the emu10k1 driver
[02:01] <_andre> where download that?
[02:01] <_andre> nmorse where i download that?
[02:02] <nmorse> do an 'lsmod | grep snd" in Konsole
[02:03] <_andre> lsmod | grep snd
[02:03] <_andre> im gona try
[02:05] <_andre> but this detects my onboard card.. :S
[02:05] <nmorse> Oh, it detects your onboard card, but you want to make the audigy work instead?
[02:07] <_andre> yes...
[02:07] <nmorse> there we go, Ubuntu laptops hardware support wiki updated
[02:07] <pussfeller> i need kmail to stop opening links in a temp cache
[02:07] <dewey> amu: are you here now?
[02:08] <nmorse> _andre: try asking for help in #alsa
[02:08] <_andre> ok thx ;)
[02:08] <aseigo> ok.. synaptic sucks too. same bug.
[02:08] <pussfeller> i noticed ubuntu stops once it detects a card ad does't keep looking
[02:09] <dewey> I installed hoary-ppc and the updated to kubuntu via synaptic but my screen is still at 640x480 and I want it at 1078x678 ?
[02:09] <dewey> on my ibook.
[02:09] <aseigo> pussfeller: that's what kmail does ... it has to put them somewhere when it extracts it from the email
[02:09] <pussfeller> drove me nuts till i remembered my onboard i810 video
[02:09] <pussfeller> but cant it just open the link itself
[02:10] <pussfeller> aseigo, its not opening the webpage but a copy of it
[02:10] <pussfeller> and its unuseable
[02:10] <pussfeller> i have to paste em into kongy
[02:10] <aseigo> pussfeller: ah, you mean http and what not? well.. it doesn't know what app to open until it has the mimetype, which it does by querying the server... guessing might be more efficient, it would certainly be less accurate. shrug
[02:12] <aseigo> one improvement i could think of making is if the URL is set to open in Konqueror (or the default web browser) that it doesn't temp cache it first
[02:15] <nmorse> There we go, the sound cards hardware support wiki has been updated
[02:15] <nmorse> Now to make a forum thread about it
[03:05] <nmorse> Nobody stays in here for long
[03:05] <Tezkah> nope
[03:05] <Tezkah> they all move on
[03:05] <nmorse> Or idles for a long time
[03:05] <Tezkah> I dual boot
[03:05] <Tezkah> so its hard
[03:05] <Tezkah> its hard I say...
[03:05] <nmorse> It's either leave immediately or stay forever
[03:06] <Riddell> screen is your friend
[03:06] <Tezkah> screen is a good program
[03:06] <nmorse> Screen is everyone's friend
[03:07] <Tezkah> ctrl+a n
[03:07] <nmorse> It's the command line whore
[03:09] <nmorse> But it's great for ssh sessions involving anything really
[03:09] <nmorse> And for allowing a process to run after you log out of ssh
[06:59] <_luke> whats a program like tvtime, that records aswell?
[07:01] <billytwowilly> mythtv
[07:01] <billytwowilly> mythtv = awesome
[07:01] <Liz4rd> OMG i'm back!
[07:01] <sirk> haha
[07:01] <billytwowilly> Liz4rd: we all missed you dearly
[07:01] <_luke> indeed! :D
[07:01] <Liz4rd> thank you thank you, your all to kind
[07:02] <Liz4rd> should of come up with a lil speach
[07:02] <billytwowilly> why, just the other day, _luke was telling me about how he is suffering from gall stones and hemoroids and wishes for Liz4rd to be around to share in his joy.
[07:03] <billytwowilly> and now here you are.
[07:03] <billytwowilly> a gift from heaven.
[07:03] <Liz4rd> :D yeah where great together 
[07:03] <billytwowilly> sorry, I'm getting ready to kill my windows box.
[07:03] <Liz4rd> *laaaaa laaaaa la laa laaaaaaa* (monks humming)
[07:03] <_luke> it's all true :-|
[07:03] <Liz4rd> lol nice
[07:04] <Liz4rd> come to our side!!
[07:04] <Liz4rd> we have cheese
[07:04] <_luke> :D
[07:04] <billytwowilly> I am on your side.
[07:04] <billytwowilly> My mother isn't and she is also a computer retard.
[07:05] <billytwowilly> My buddy that works in a windows shop all day repairing people's computers came over to fix her comp.
[07:05] <Liz4rd> lol i turned my whole family to linux
[07:05] <billytwowilly> the exact words out of his mouth when he got arms deep into the system "Holy fuck, how did she do that?"
[07:05] <Liz4rd> lmao!
[07:05] <_luke> lol
[07:06] <billytwowilly> so now we're reinstalling windows and putting norton ghost on their so I can reimage it whenever she does something retarded
[07:06] <Liz4rd> lol
[07:06] <Liz4rd> good idea...if you achully wanted windows that is ;)
[07:06] <billytwowilly> I don't.
[07:06] <Liz4rd> or should i say *gasp* winBLOWS
[07:07] <kkathman> I wish I could turn everyone over to linux here :)
[07:07] <billytwowilly> She does. It works with her clay aikin spyware crap that she chats with.
[07:07] <Liz4rd> me to
[07:07] <Liz4rd> there al clueless
[07:07] <kkathman> though I have to say, we've had pretty good luck with window
[07:07] <kkathman> windows
[07:07] <billytwowilly> Yep, it's kubuntu. everyone here should be using linux
[07:07] <Liz4rd> lol
[07:07] <Liz4rd> :D
[07:08] <Liz4rd> but tomorrow transgress is mailing me some cd!!!
[07:08] <kkathman> I have 3 linux boxes here at my house and 7 windows
[07:08] <Liz4rd> cd's*
[07:08] <Liz4rd> holy hell...why?
[07:08] <Liz4rd> oh thats right YOUR RICH
[07:08] <Liz4rd> :P
[07:08] <kkathman> no
[07:08] <Liz4rd> oh and talk on jabber man...is it on a nother screen?
[07:08] <kkathman> Ive had a couple of computers for several years and they were near obsolete
[07:08] <Liz4rd> :O sirukin!!
[07:09] <sirukin> hey
[07:09] <Liz4rd> sup
[07:09] <kkathman> I answered Liz4rd 
[07:09] <sirukin> writing some code
[07:09] <Tm_T> kkathman: eh, why _7_ windows computers?
[07:09] <kkathman> Liz4rd:  I have my windows box, my wife has a hand me down that I used to use, my youngest son has one...thats the main 3
[07:09] <Liz4rd> sirukin: cool what language?
[07:10] <Liz4rd> oh so you dont achully use all of them
[07:10] <kkathman> then My oldest son is home for the summer and brought his laptop and his desktop...thats 2 more
[07:10] <kkathman> I have a laptop for my company, and my daughter has a laptop
[07:10] <Liz4rd> sweet
[07:10] <sirukin> python
[07:10] <Liz4rd> :O OMG really?
[07:10] <kkathman> the other two linux boxes are an old P2 450 from Dell I bought in 1997
[07:10] <Tm_T> kkathman: I love your family
[07:11] <Liz4rd> i'v been reading python stuff all day tryingto learn it
[07:11] <sirukin> hehe
[07:11] <sirukin> all running linux?
[07:11] <kkathman> and a very old HP Pavillion with a mere 96 mb memory
[07:11] <Tm_T> I have only 6 pc:s
[07:11] <kkathman> sirukin: no, three are linux tho
[07:11] <Liz4rd> poor you!
[07:11] <sirukin> kkathman, if you have a daughter round my age, (18), share the penguin!
[07:11] <Tm_T> Liz4rd: I have spent ~1k$ total
[07:11] <kkathman> but had I not really buckled down to linux..2 of those computers would have been scrapped
[07:11] <Liz4rd> :P
[07:12] <Tm_T> Liz4rd: !
[07:12] <kkathman> lol my daughter is almost 21
[07:12] <Tm_T> =)
[07:12] <Liz4rd> sirukin: you have jabber? or msn or something?
[07:12] <Tm_T> kkathman: ehm
[07:12] <sirukin> damn
[07:12] <Liz4rd> i think kkathmans the eldest here
[07:12] <sirukin> yeah
[07:12] <Tm_T> I'm the elfest
[07:13] <Tm_T> hmm, no I'm not
[07:13] <kkathman> Im probably the eldest
[07:13] <smouche> I might be the eldest
[07:13] <Tm_T> smouche: hi son
[07:13] <Tm_T> ;--P
[07:13] <kkathman> smouche whats the first president you really remember?
[07:13] <smouche> oldest, eldest, boldest, baldest
[07:14] <smouche> Johnson, kkathman
[07:14] <kkathman> kennedy here
[07:14] <smouche> but define "really" remember
[07:14] <smouche> you win
[07:14] <kkathman> Ive already become a member of AARP but just by a little
[07:15] <smouche> well, let's all stop aarping on our ages, eh?
[07:15] <kkathman> I was born in 52
[07:15] <kkathman> hehe
[07:15] <Tm_T> B-52 :o
[07:15] <Liz4rd> lol smouche is the funniest one here
[07:15] <smouche> 1961 for me
[07:15] <kkathman> yah smouche is a riot...but he gets his humor by being my straight man
[07:15] <Liz4rd> i almost pissed my self when he pulled out the smoke signals and pigeon shit
[07:16] <kkathman> lol
[07:16] <Tm_T> =)
[07:16] <kkathman> reliable methods...they actually used homing pidgeons in WW2
[07:16] <smouche> Liz4rd, when you live in New York, as I do, you take pigeon shit very seriously.
[07:16] <Liz4rd> but he acted so serious as if he still used them
[07:17] <Tm_T> smouche: you are lucky that cows can't fly
[07:17] <kkathman> rofl Liz4rd 
[07:17] <Liz4rd> :P
[07:18] <kkathman> I never doubt your sincerity
[07:18] <Liz4rd> i'v learned not to ether
[07:18] <billytwowilly> kkathman: They also used native americans on radios...
[07:18] <billytwowilly> or was that in vietnam?
[07:18] <kkathman> even though you are a Yankee I inherently cant trust you smouche :)
[07:18] <kkathman> hehe
[07:18] <Liz4rd> sirukin... accept me on msn
[07:18] <Tm_T> smouche: just imagine that shit falling from the sky...
[07:18] <smouche> I blow smoke constantly; it's just the signal to noise ratio is terrible.
[07:18] <kkathman> ROFL
[07:18] <smouche> I don't need to imagine it, Tm_T.
[07:18] <Liz4rd> lol!!!
[07:19] <Tm_T> smouche: =)
[07:19] <Liz4rd> lol just walk outside right?
[07:19] <Tm_T> btw cows are nice animals
[07:19] <Liz4rd> WTF IS WITH YOU AND YOUR MILK?
[07:19] <sirukin> just a sec Liz4rd 
[07:19] <_luke> cows are ugly
[07:19] <Tm_T> got milk? I mean root?
[07:19] <Liz4rd> :P
[07:19] <Tm_T> _luke: no, it was a mirror
[07:19] <Tm_T> ;p
[07:19] <Liz4rd> transgress has a blak hat that says got root
[07:20] <Liz4rd> oooo who wants to see him!!!
[07:20] <transgress> it's true... http://irclikelife.com/hi.png
[07:20] <Liz4rd> nvm he beat me to it
[07:20] <transgress> ha.  beat you.
[07:20] <kkathman> yah the finger salllllllllllllute
[07:20] <_luke> although I wouldn't mind being a cow, just stand around all day eating and farting
[07:20] <Liz4rd> me and my friends tryed pushing one over while it was sleeping one time
[07:20] <kkathman> I would like to be a dog I think, if I were to be an animal
[07:20] <transgress> and murdered mercilessly... and painfully...
[07:21] <_luke> I'd like to be a hawk
[07:21] <kkathman> Liz4rd: they have a word for that in Texas
[07:21] <Tm_T> vegetables = stuff what food eats
[07:21] <Liz4rd> OOO WHAT ISIT??????
[07:21] <Tm_T> ;p
[07:21] <transgress> physics deny the ability to cowtip
[07:21] <smouche> heh heh, great pic, transgress
[07:22] <Liz4rd> all of you go to irclikelife.com
[07:22] <Liz4rd> i command it
[07:22] <_luke> I refuse
[07:22] <Liz4rd> me and transgress are working on that
[07:22] <Liz4rd> its fucking funny
[07:22] <transgress> smouche: it was the ... the umm... well it definitely wasn't the feds i can tell you that much.  when they ganked the IPs from infoshop.org
[07:22] <kkathman> ganked??? 
[07:22] <transgress> demanded them
[07:22] <smouche> ganked?
[07:22] <Liz4rd> _luke? whynot
[07:22] <Liz4rd> lol
[07:22] <transgress> under threat of going to jail
[07:23] <transgress> ganked, stole, took forcefully
[07:23] <kkathman> ganked (v) past tense of gank
[07:23] <kkathman> antonym:  yanked
[07:23] <_luke> liz4rd: can't be bothered. watching simpsons
[07:23] <Liz4rd> lol oh
[07:23] <kkathman> synonym I mean
[07:23] <kkathman> one of those nyms
[07:23] <Liz4rd> kkathman: whast the work for pushing cows over in texas
[07:23] <kkathman> Cow Tipping
[07:23] <Liz4rd> word*
[07:24] <Liz4rd> :P
[07:24] <Liz4rd> i love it
[07:24] <kkathman> Its a frat activity
[07:24] <kkathman> mostly
[07:24] <kkathman> or very lonely girls
[07:24] <smouche> It originally stood for "gang kill" in some rpg...
[07:24] <Liz4rd> i do it for the shits an giggles
[07:24] <kkathman> lonely, drunk girls
[07:24] <smouche> as I see from checking google, define: gank
[07:24] <sirukin> :P
[07:25] <kkathman> well Im off to watch a few episodes of West Wing and catch up...cyall
[07:25] <smouche> kkathman, you tip lonely girls?  don't have that "prix fixe" business in Texas yet?
[07:25] <Liz4rd> later
[07:25] <kkathman-away> hehe
[07:26] <transgress> again... physics says a couple of people at even 200 lbs each are not going to have the inertia to topple an 800 lb cow
[07:26] <Tm_T> !
[07:26] <smouche> they haven't seen the inertia in my backside at 6 in the morning.
[07:27] <Tm_T> yaeh, but I've seen my face at 6 in the morning
[07:27] <Liz4rd> well goodnight everyone talk to you  all tomorrow
[07:27] <_luke> bye liz4rd
[07:27] <Tm_T> bye
[07:27] <smouche> g'night Liz4rd
[07:29] <_luke> irclikelike.com is funny
[07:30] <transgress> i am working on updating the layout... and by working i mean not doing shit... so i haven't updated in a while
[07:30] <_luke> haha. oh well
[07:30] <smouche> irclikelike?? great name.  I should like look at that.  Nothing ircs me like, like when people like go "like", you know, like too much...
[07:31] <_luke> do you make many websites?
[07:31] <transgress> missed the point of that... it's more _like_ fiction like life... something that isn't supposed to be life that seems to be someone's life...
[07:32] <smouche> like you say.
[07:32] <transgress> eh i hadn't for a while before that one... i used to make them all the time
[07:32] <_luke> out of boredom?
[07:32] <transgress> like you know what i mean.
[07:32] <transgress> _luke: yeah
[07:32] <transgress> _luke: it seemed clever at the time
[07:32] <_luke> yup.. you don't have any links to kubuntu on there:p
[07:33] <smouche> ah, irclikelife!  heh heh, no wonder irclikelike didn't work...
[07:33] <transgress> _luke: yeah i've been meaning to correct that.  i will on the next update.
[07:33] <transgress> haha
[07:33] <_luke> whenever that'll be haha
[07:34] <smouche> nice nachos, or whatever that is...
[07:34] <transgress> better than what my friend thought it was when i telling him the url on the phone... he tried irclikelice.  didn't know what the hell it meant... just decided he'd smile and nod.
[07:34] <smouche> god I'm hungry
[07:36] <transgress> getting online
[07:38] <transgress> err on lappy
[07:39] <transgress> well i would if i weren't using the ethernet on my mp3
[07:39] <transgress> player
[07:39] <transgress> can't do sentences tonight
[07:40] <smouche> heh that's good transgress.  I like it.
[07:40] <transgress> i wish my mp3 player would finish it's initial charge
[07:40] <transgress> smouche: thanks
[07:42] <transgress> i wonder if i'll be able to wear my got root hat when i get dreads in my hair
[07:42] <smouche> transgress, did you ever read a story by Harlan Ellison called
[07:42] <smouche> "I have no mouth and I must scream" ?
[07:43] <smouche> one of your conversations with irc bot reminded me of that story
[07:43] <transgress> nah never heard of him
[07:43] <transgress> sounds interesting
[07:43] <transgress> which conversation?
[07:44] <smouche> well, that's an intense story about a massive computer not letting people die, so it can torture them
[07:45] <transgress> hmmm
[07:45] <transgress> interesting
[07:45] <transgress> which episode was that?
[07:45] <transgress> on my site
[07:45] <smouche> 3:24, "No God for you"
[07:45] <transgress> haha
[07:46] <transgress> that was inspired by ##slackware
[07:46] <smouche> g
[07:46] <smouche> oops
[07:46] <smouche> google Ellison; he's a mean hombre with a good head on his shoulders
[07:46] <transgress> cool i'll have to look at him
[07:47] <smouche> btw, he wrote the great trek episode "City on the Edge of Forever"
[07:47] <transgress> ha
[07:47] <transgress> never saw it
[07:47] <transgress> not much of a trek fan
[07:47] <smouche> and he also was a "conceptual consultant" or something for Babylon 5
[07:47] <smouche> ah well, transgress, me neither anymore, but that Ellison episode was brilliant.
[07:49] <_luke> xawtv sucks. tvtime is much beter, if only it had recording
[07:49] <transgress> i hate his quit message
[07:49] <smouche> me too.
[07:50] <transgress> i use slack... although i tend to not like the users
[07:50] <smouche> lol
[07:50] <smouche> I have the same problem when I use elevators and sidewalks
[07:51] <transgress> da_bon_bon: your quit message sucks
[07:51] <transgress> no offense
[07:52] <da_bon_bon> transgress: why ? scared of slackware :) ?? i wil lchange it..
[07:52] <transgress> my server is slackware
[07:52] <transgress> but it's somewhat... like trolling with a quit message
[07:52] <Tezkah`> I have this strange desire
[07:52] <Tezkah`> to install slackware
[07:52] <transgress> 12:52... looks like i'm quitting work 8 minutes early
[07:52] <transgress> Tezkah`: i find that ubuntu runs much quicker
[07:52] <transgress> that's just my experience though
[07:53] <Tezkah`> yeah, its jut that now ubuntu is running as I like it
[07:53] <Tezkah`> I am bored
[07:53] <Tezkah`> I must break things
[07:53] <transgress> haha i do that too
[07:53] <transgress> Tezkah`: i turned my gentoo install to ~x86 (testing) for just that reason
[07:53] <_luke> thats half the fun of linux..
[07:53] <transgress> and eventually broke it pretty good
[07:53] <smouche> I break things by looking at them.
[07:54] <_luke> understandable:p
[07:54] <da_bon_bon> transgress: changed it to leaving... :)
[07:54] <transgress> but i don't think i'll be installing over this box... i need it to work now... my lappy however, is fair game
[07:55] <transgress> thinking of trying out fc4 when it's released... it looks promising.  and it's community driven which is always a +
[07:55] <smouche> what's fc4?
[07:55] <transgress> fedore core 4
[07:55] <smouche> ah
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> fedora core 4
[07:55] <transgress> it is gonna be released in a couple weeks
[07:55] <smouche> thank you
[07:55] <transgress> err more like 3
[07:56] <_luke> I tried fedora core 3. it was the first distro I tried. I hated it, but I didn't know much about linux at the time
[07:56] <smouche> _luke, I had the same experience with mandrake.  Turned me off linux for several years
[07:56] <transgress> i liked fedora core 3 alright... not enough to keep it on my desktop though... but i'm pretty set on trying fc4 on my lappy
[07:57] <_luke> kubuntu is sweet untill I get bored and want to start again :p
[07:57] <transgress> i tried mandrake once... not for very long... god i hated it... but never really been turned off by linux... 
[07:57] <_luke> neither
[07:57] <_luke> windows sucks too much
[07:57] <transgress> _luke: change to the breezy repo's... update and dist-upgrade heh
[07:57] <_luke> I hear theres still some problems with kubuntu and breezy
[07:58] <transgress> there's some problems with breezy period
[07:58] <transgress> i really need to order some sdram for my server so i can put bsd back on it... it goes a bit slow with 32 megs of ram though
[07:58] <_luke> lol I just got my computer problem free I'll keep it that way for a little while longer
[08:00] <transgress> main reason i wanna try fc4 on my lappy is too see if i can get some more done with the hibernating and whatnot on it... ubuntu is on it right now and has some problems
[08:00] <_luke> linux in general has had problems hibernating and standby huh
[08:00] <transgress> heh yeah
[08:01] <transgress> suppose i could do a custom kernel and add some shit in, but i don't wanna atm... 
[08:01] <transgress> while running nothing but gentoo and slack i kept recompiling my kernel and keeping updated heh... i'm being lazy right now
[08:01] <smouche> yeah, I was really disappointed about the hibernation problems.  Sometimes I just stick my laptop, running, in my bag to take it to work so I don't have to put up with long reboots.
[08:02] <smouche> not a good plan when summer heat waves kick in...
[08:02] <transgress> yeah
[08:02] <transgress> i'm so excited
[08:02] <transgress> only have to put up with tomorrow
[08:02] <transgress> and then the next morning i get to see it!
[08:03] <transgress> IT
[08:03] <transgress> this week is just going so fucking well
[08:03] <_luke> it?
[08:03] <smouche> IT what?
[08:03] <transgress> STAR WARS
[08:03] <smouche> oh shit I saw that coming
[08:03] <smouche> lol
[08:03] <transgress> of course since this week is going good... probably means i'ma get fired after i go to the movie
[08:03] <_luke> o yeah. some of my mates are seeing it tomorrow night
[08:04] <transgress> yeah i didn't wanna deal with that again... did that for return of the king
[08:04] <_luke> yeah 12.. screw that I like sleep
[08:04] <transgress> i figure 10:30 while school and work are still in will be less bad
[08:04] <transgress> fuck i barely sleep but i just don't like fighting the die hards
[08:04] <smouche> I gave up on George Lucas half way through Return of the Jedi.
[08:05] <transgress> i wasn't real big on the two new ones... love the old ones... but this one looks SO GOOD
[08:05] <smouche>  Loved Empire Strikes Back
[08:05] <_luke> it's all good haha
[08:06] <transgress> i'm not all big on lucas rewriting history though... it's like... lets see what else do i feel like fucking with on something that was declared such a work of art
[08:07] <transgress> like if leo da vinci came back around and said... hmm let me change this painting a bit... and oh yeah... this needs something new.
[08:07] <_luke> hmm
[08:08] <smouche> I wish he'd stop rewriting other people's movies.  Bastard should send a billion bucks to the heirs of Akira Kurosawa for stealing from The Hidden Fortress.
[08:08] <transgress> what movie and what's the hidden fortress?
[08:08] <transgress> what movie of his did this?
[08:08] <smouche> the movie is "The Hidden Fortress", and it rocks
[08:09] <transgress> yeah i got that... but is that the name of the lucas film that ripped it off? or the name of the film he ripped off from?  or are they both named that?
[08:09] <smouche> Han Solo, Princess Leia and the two droids are basically in there, on horses, attacking a japanese castle instead of a deathstar
[08:09] <transgress> oh
[08:09] <transgress> i see
[08:09] <smouche> sorry,
[08:10] <smouche> Akira Kurosawa directed the Hidden Fortress, in the fifties
[08:10] <smouche> or early sixties
[08:10] <transgress> hmm interesting
[08:10] <transgress> but they didn't have light sabers did they?
[08:11] <smouche> japanese steel, who needs light sabers?
[08:11] <transgress> well the japanese would if they were fighting jedis
[08:11] <transgress> ;)
[08:13] <smouche> hell, I may go see the dang thing too.  But I'd have to see the first two parts of the second trilogy first
[08:13] <smouche> I tried watching them, but thought they really sucked.
[08:17] <smouche> ugh, 2:15 in the morning here.  off to bed.  Gnight/morning/afternoon whatever, all.
[08:18] <transgress> i'm off to rid hitchhikers guide
[08:18] <transgress> later peeps
[08:20] <_luke> cu
[08:56] <Is> how does kubuntu go with hotplug and hardware detection, specifically gameboy flash carts?
[09:15] <verden01> has anyone got kubuntu-desktop installed on ubuntu?
[09:28] <ChinaCatJones> verden01 i am running straight kubuntu at the moment, but i've gone that route in the past
[09:29] <verden01> is it worth it
[09:29] <verden01> i've been running just kubuntu b4 but decided to try the other way
[09:31] <ChinaCatJones> verden: i really kde better, but gnome is much more stable
[09:31] <verden01> i did this with the thought of being able to have a choice of which desktop enviroment i use but i mainley like kde
[09:32] <verden01> i also used the reiserfs instead or ext3 and find it faster
[09:33] <ChinaCatJones> i agree with your idea, kde actually behaved a little better when I did the kubuntu-desktop upgrade, go figure
[09:34] <hayden> its comes up with kpersonalizer when you first run kde after getting kubuntu-desktop dont it
[09:34] <verden01> ubuntu seems more stable so i thought that kde would be more stable installed on ubuntu    hope i'm right
[09:36] <ChinaCatJones> it does do that, and if you install from the cd it will want to update a lot of the libs at your first apt-get, it will offer you the personalizer again then
[09:37] <ChinaCatJones> i'm too into the transparency things for gnome at the moment, though transparency is still not quite ready for prime time in kubuntu
[09:38] <verden01> i'll have to get programs setup up b4 i try anything like that
[09:40] <verden01> brb
[09:41] <rodolfo> hi, will the kubuntu/ubuntu CDs allow to also make an upgrade install instead of an install from scratch?
[09:43] <hayden> maybe if u set the cdrom as a source in /etc/apt/sources.list 
[09:44] <rodolfo> and then do an apt-get dist-upgrade?
[09:50] <alan> hi all
[09:50] <alan> looking for a media player that plays asf and mwa files??
[09:53] <ChinaCatJones> rodolfo: i believe apt-get install (k)ubuntu-desktop will do it for you
[09:53] <rodolfo> ChinaCatJones: what will that do?
[09:54] <ChinaCatJones> i'm not sure if you can load will install either the k or g environments
[09:54] <hayden> ChinaCatJones: i dont think that will work if you are upgrading from warty to hoary 
[09:55] <rodolfo> I am looking for a way to get the latest complete system upgrade without having to connect to the Internet
[09:55] <ChinaCatJones> i must have missed something here
[09:55] <hayden> rodolfo: r u running ubuntu warty?>
[09:55] <rodolfo> at the moment no
[09:55] <rodolfo> I am thinking about installing it instead of my current mepis
[09:56] <hayden> install over the top
[09:56] <rodolfo> ?
[09:56] <rodolfo> u mean replace it?
[09:56] <hayden> yea
[09:57] <rodolfo> how can I keep my home without messing it up?
[09:57] <hayden> back it up
[09:57] <rodolfo> if I just remove the files beginning with "."
[09:57] <rodolfo> does it work?
[09:57] <hayden> backup your /home/
[09:58] <hayden> and copy it over when u do a clean install of ubuntu
[09:58] <rodolfo> I already installed the two distros in parallel (mepis and kubuntu) but some applications do not work anymore
[09:58] <hayden> what do u mean parallel?
[09:59] <rodolfo> multi boot
[09:59] <hayden> as long as you are not installing apps to the same partition in both os's it should just work
[10:00] <rodolfo> no, because e.g. kmail does not start anymore
[10:00] <hayden> they must be accessing the same files
[10:01] <rodolfo> I installed kubuntu as second distro, and it works, but not anymore with mepis
[10:02] <yahalom> how much ram does kubuntu need?
[10:03] <rodolfo> backing up my home is not a problem, I only wondered if I can obtain the same result by just deleting the hidden configuration fiiles
[10:03] <hayden> im not sure what you have done so i cant help sorry
[10:04] <buz> 512 is about right
[10:04] <rodolfo> e.g. the menu in kde shows some applications installed in one distro that are not available in the other
[10:05] <verden01> rodolfo, just install the applications youwant using apt-get
[10:06] <verden01> they ar eavailable just not installed 
[10:06] <verden01> or use synaptic
[10:06] <billytwowilly> lol
[10:07] <billytwowilly> can anyone recommend a good place to get help with windowsxp?
[10:07] <billytwowilly> norton ghost is killing me softly with it's retardedness
[10:07] <yahalom> bill@microsoft.com
[10:07] <gdh> www.google.com
[10:07] <buz> format c:
[10:07] <billytwowilly> buz: If it was my computer I would do that
[10:07] <buz> luckily, i refuse to deal with winxp ;)
[10:08] <yahalom> or www.windowsxp.com
[10:08] <yahalom> same here
[10:08] <billytwowilly> or two stable releases of debian ago if we're measuring in debian time;)
[10:09] <gdh> billytwowilly: Wow, there /isn't/ that much time :)
[10:09] <yahalom> lol
[10:09] <billytwowilly> 7ish years.
[10:09] <billytwowilly> since the start of grade 10 and I just finshed 4th year university..
[10:10] <billytwowilly> oh.
[10:10] <billytwowilly> heh
[10:10] <billytwowilly> I'm so tired I read that wrong;)
[10:11] <verden01> have you made your boot floppy with Ghost?
[10:11] <billytwowilly> yes.
[10:11] <billytwowilly> I can get it to do that.
[10:11] <billytwowilly> I have a backup image.
[10:11] <billytwowilly> I can't figure out how to get it to give options at boot so that I can reimage the C drive from the bootup process
[10:12] <verden01> so all you have to do is connect both drives and put the floppy in and reboot
[10:12] <billytwowilly> My university has it setup like that on all their computers, it's sweet.
[10:12] <gdh> billytwowilly: try "ghost /?" from the boot floppy?
[10:12] <billytwowilly> well, the image is on the D partition (ntfs)
[10:12] <gdh> it's just a series of commandline switches
[10:12] <gdh> it's all in the docs
[10:13] <gdh> yeh, so add ntfsdos to the startup...
[10:13] <gdh> anyway, wildly off-topic :/
[10:14] <billytwowilly> gdh: have a link to the specific docs? symantec's online documentation is notoriously horrible.
[10:15] <billytwowilly> I've been digging through there all night... I'm not entirely sure what to search for though.
[10:15] <gdh> No, I remember reading it in the manual
[10:15] <gdh> google for 'ghost.exe "parent directory"' you're gound to find ghost + some .bat files to automate that shit
[10:16] <rodolfo> verden01, is synaptic installed by default in kubuntu?
[10:16] <verden01> no you kynaptic is
[10:16] <verden01> that does the same thing
[10:17] <rodolfo> I tried it, but it has fewer options!
[10:17] <verden01> you also need to edit you /etc/apt/sources.list and enable universe 
[10:17] <billytwowilly> gdh: lol, improperly setup web servers attack again.. I get a whole bunch of links to people sharing ghost.exe in a directory with no html index file;)
[10:18] <rodolfo> I could not see where to add sources...
[10:18] <gdh> billytwowilly: Precisely :)
[10:18] <gdh> billytwowilly: Have found tons of stuff that way just so long as you know the filename :)
[10:19] <verden01> the repositories are already there you just need to delete all the ones with # in front of them
[10:19] <rodolfo> ok; but I can install synaptic, right?
[10:21] <verden01> yeah just go to a konsole and type  sudo apt-get update and when thats done type sudo apt-get install synaptic
[10:21] <Ghetek> To everyone here in the kubuntu forum:
[10:21] <Ghetek> over the past week or so I have done one of the hardest things that i can say i have ever done in my professional life. i got off of windows. Today i fixed my soundcard problem, i found out how to mount my hard drives by editing fstab. a few days ago i attended a linux meeting a few towns over and someone helped me set up my video card properly.  all through all of these things i have had so much support from the kubuntu channel. I lov
[10:22] <yahalom> Ghetek, nice one. u have purified urself.
[10:23] <verden01> great :)
[10:23] <Ghetek> haha, no more blue screen of death for me
[10:23] <verden01> hahaha
[10:23] <verden01> cool
[10:23] <verden01> well done
[10:24] <Ghetek> alright guys, its almost 1:30 am here, im gonna go to sleep
[10:24] <Ghetek> take care
[10:26] <rodolfo> verden01, ok; so you suggest kubuntu?
[10:28] <verden01> hmmm what cd have you got
[10:28] <asdani> hi all
[10:28] <verden01> ubuntu or kubuntu?
[10:28] <asdani> may i ask ?
[10:28] <rodolfo> I have both
[10:29] <asdani> i work in kubuntu, and how to change ip address ?
[10:29] <rodolfo> verden01, brb
[10:30] <verden01> if youhave ubuntu synaptic is already onthe cd  but not on the kubuntu cd
[10:35] <yahalom> anyone here use gmailfs?
[10:35] <gdh> no but it's a jolly good idea :)
[10:40] <rodolfo> verden01, installing synaptic is not a problem; is kubuntu a good distro?
[10:41] <hayden> yes, i'd say its quite good
[10:42] <rodolfo> I always used kde, so I am used to it...
[10:43] <rodolfo> besides I noticed that the acpi/cpufreq support for my laptop is working better in (k)ubuntu than in mepis
[10:44] <rodolfo> that would be one main reason for switching
[10:45] <verden01> rodolfo, i have had kubuntu installled on my AMD 64 and its great 
[10:46] <verden01> but its personal choice  just insatll it and see if you like it but remember to backup your files first
[10:47] <rodolfo> verden01, what graphics card do you have?
[10:49] <verden01> ATI Radeon 9600XT
[10:52] <rodolfo> verden01, almost the same, ATI mobility Radeon 9700
[10:52] <rodolfo> you don't have kubuntu anymore?
[10:55] <verden01> yeah i just got my cd's today from ubuntu and decided to install ubuntu and am now downloading kubuntu-desktop
[10:56] <verden01> i've used kubuntu since it was released and i find it very good
[10:56] <verden01> onec you add extra applications that yu like
[10:57] <verden01> once
[10:57] <rodolfo> why ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop?
[10:58] <verden01> because i can  :)
[10:58] <rodolfo> is it better like that?
[10:58] <verden01> seriously tho i am just trying to see if its more stable that just kubuntu
[10:59] <verden01> i don't know i've never done it b4 and i'm still downloading kubuntu-desktop
[10:59] <rodolfo> will you then be able to use both desktop without problems?
[10:59] <verden01> whick will take like al night on my 56k dialup :(
[11:00] <rodolfo> :(
[11:02] <verden01> yeah when yu boot up yu have a choice which desktop youwant to use
[11:03] <rodolfo> verden01, do you have feedback about this double-desktop feature being ok?
[11:03] <Diablo-D3> 'double desktop feature'?
[11:04] <rodolfo> I mean gnome/kde
[11:04] <verden01> its not a double desktop like youmight think. Most Linux distro's always have more than one desktop that youcan install
[11:04] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: nothing stops you from installing both
[11:05] <verden01> youonlyuse one at a time (session)
[11:05] <gdh> GNOME and KDE happily sit on the same machine, it only makes a difference if your login manager runs startkde or startgnome (or whatever GNOME uses...)
[11:05] <verden01> yeah
[11:06] <verden01> hey talking about kde/gnome in ubuntu do i have to edit anything to get kde recognised?
[11:06] <Diablo-D3> verden01: no.
[11:06] <Diablo-D3> verden01: just install kubuntu-desktop and everything magically works
[11:06] <verden01> edit my menu .list 
[11:06] <verden01> ok
[11:06] <verden01> cool  thanx
[11:07] <rodolfo> maybe it works if gnome nad kde come from the same distro, because I experienced problems installing both from different distros
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: dont do that!
[11:07] <rodolfo> ok!
[11:07] <verden01> ?????
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> kde and gnome both have to come from ubuntu/kubuntu
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> (and yes, ubuntu and kubuntu are infact the same distro)
[11:07] <gdh> Otherwise it's like buying a new engine from Ford and complaining that it does work in your Mazda, etc.
[11:08] <gdh> doesn't
[11:09] <rodolfo> I installed one distro (mepis) with kde and then ubuntu/gnome, but the desktop was messed up
[11:09] <rodolfo> using the same /home
[11:09] <verden01> u cant do that
[11:09] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: I wouldnt doubt it
[11:09] <verden01> it has to be the same distro
[11:09] <Diablo-D3> verden01: yes, I think he gets it ;)
[11:10] <verden01> :)
[11:10] <rodolfo> I tried...
[11:10] <rodolfo> now I know
[11:10] <verden01> well
[11:10] <verden01> what are you gonna install
[11:11] <Diablo-D3> and, for the record, I have both installed
[11:11] <Diablo-D3> and it works fine
[11:11] <Diablo-D3> gnome and kde show up in both gdm and kdm, and shit works
[11:11] <rodolfo> what is the advantage of having both?
[11:11] <verden01> great thats what i'm in the proces of doing now
[11:11] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: nothing
[11:12] <verden01> both have good applications
[11:12] <verden01> that youcan use from either desktop
[11:12] <Diablo-D3> verden01: that doesnt reqiure the actual desktop to be installed
[11:12] <Diablo-D3> gnome is something like 150 packages (about a quarter of which kubuntu-desktop uses too)
[11:12] <verden01> k
[11:13] <Diablo-D3> installing gimp doesnt require thsoe 150 packages... it requires like 15.
[11:13] <verden01> i know as i had kubuntu installed and also installed many gnome apps
[11:15] <rodolfo> for example if ubuntu has synaptic, kubuntu not, if I install ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop, will synaptic be shown in the kde-menu or do I have to add it?
[11:16] <verden01> i'm not sure as i haven't done it yet but my guess would be that it is in the kde-menu somewhere
[11:17] <verden01> Diablo-D3, might know the answer to that question
[11:17] <Diablo-D3> what?
[11:17] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: who knows
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> besides of which you should be using kynaptic
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> or whatever it is
[11:19] <Diablo-D3> ooh
[11:19] <Diablo-D3> both are listed
[11:19] <Diablo-D3> kde menu -> system
[11:19] <Diablo-D3> look for Package Manager
[11:23] <rodolfo> anyway, that means that every installed application can be used from both desktops (gnome/kde)?
[11:23] <Diablo-D3> yeah
[11:24] <rodolfo> nice
[11:24] <Diablo-D3> and it means the menu is really fucking cluttered
[11:24] <Diablo-D3> and rodolfo, nothing stops you from actually running the application
[11:24] <Diablo-D3> even if its not on the menu
[11:24] <rodolfo> I know
[11:24] <rodolfo> what means "cluttered"?
[11:24] <Diablo-D3> too much
[11:25] <rodolfo> :-D
[11:25] <Diablo-D3> I should uninstall gnome
[11:26] <rodolfo> I think I will be using only kde
[11:26] <Tm_T> :)
[11:26] <Tm_T> I should install gnome
[11:26] <rodolfo> verden01, did you configure a wireless network card?
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> uninstalling gnome is actually easy I think
[11:27] <verden01> no
[11:27] <rodolfo> ok
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> apt-get remove libgtk* libgnome*
[11:28] <Diablo-D3> and then use deboprhan --guess-all to clean up the straglers
[11:28] <Diablo-D3> then reinstall all the gtk apps you actually use
[11:29] <rodolfo> Diablo-D3, if I install kubuntu and want to keep my actual /home partition, can I just delete all the hidden files to make it "clean"?
[11:30] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: nope
[11:30] <Diablo-D3> well
[11:30] <Diablo-D3> you shouldnt delete anything at all
[11:30] <Diablo-D3> you can save /home, and backup /etc and /var
[11:30] <Diablo-D3> HOWEVER
[11:30] <Diablo-D3> install kubuntu replacing what?
[11:33] <rodolfo> replacing mepis
[11:34] <Diablo-D3> ahh, yes, if you backup /home, /etc, and /var you should be safe
[11:36] <rodolfo> my main concern is the Mail directory, for Kmail. can I just restore it? so I can format the partition and make a clean install
[11:36] <Diablo-D3> yes you can just restore it
[11:37] <Diablo-D3> but you should back up all of /home, /etc, and /var
[11:37] <Diablo-D3> and very selectivly restore things
[11:38] <rodolfo> why /etc and /var?
[11:38] <Diablo-D3> files you may want
[11:38] <rodolfo> ok
[11:39] <rodolfo> is backing up in a different partition a safe mode (I already have a DVD backup of my home anyway)?
[11:40] <Diablo-D3> I'd remove it off the machine
[11:40] <Diablo-D3> so if you accidently nuke the entire partition table, your data is safe
[11:40] <rodolfo> ok
[12:09] <theine> Hi, I cannot install kubuntu-desktop because of unmet dependencies: ``kubuntu-desktop: Depends: dbus-qt-1 but it is not going to be installed''
[12:10] <Tm_T> theine: you use breezy?
[12:12] <theine> Tm_T, yes I do
[12:13] <theine> apt-get install dbus-qt-1 gives: ``dbus-qt-1: Depends: dbus-1 (>= 0.23.4) but it is not going to be installed''
[12:15] <theine> apt-get install dbus-1 will remove lots of packages like kdebase, hal, etc...
[12:16] <gdh> Last I knew 'dbus' replaced 'dbus-1' 
[12:16] <gdh> so I'm guessing the dependencies are in a state of transition
[12:16] <gdh> the joy of the bleeding edge, etc.
[12:20] <Diablo-D3> heh
[12:20] <Diablo-D3> theine: wait a day or two and try again
[12:22] <Tm_T> theine: topic ;)
[12:22] <Tm_T> theine: and if you use breezy, you can expect many other problems in the future
[12:26] <gdh> hm, how do I enable logging + history view for Kopete in hoary?
[12:27] <gdh> In Settings -> Configure Plugins, "History" is already selected...
[12:31] <hayden> how do i change the domain of the computer e.g to WORKGROUP
[12:36] <morten> ...What version of KDE is Kubuntu using ?
[12:38] <gdh> 3.4.0
[12:38] <morten> Mkay...
[12:44] <_bob> I have a process ahc_dv_0 taking most of cpu time. Is it the SCSI driver?
[12:44] <amu> hayden: change your samba.config 
[12:47] <exclude> hey there. quick queqstion regarding cdrom permissions:
[12:47] <exclude> are any users created in kubuntu automatic a member of the cdrom group,
[12:47] <exclude> ?
[12:47] <amu> yes
[12:48] <exclude> asking this, because I had to add myself manually. to get kaudiocreator and KsCD working
[12:48] <amu> other groups are: ,4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),107(lpadmin),108(scanner),109(admin)
[12:48] <exclude> but that could be due to some previous permission issue i had.
[12:49] <exclude> okydoky. then its a not a bug. good to know.
[12:49] <exclude> amu thanks
[12:51] <exclude> hmm. amu, should "burning" not be a part of that too?
[12:52] <amu> if you add an other user with adduser, user is not in those groups :)
[12:52] <amu> 24(cdrom)
[12:53] <amu> that's enough for burning CD's see /dev/hdx brw-rw----  1 root cdrom 3, 0 May 16 15:38 hda
[12:53] <exclude> amu: but k3bsetup uses grou burning.
[12:53] <exclude> ~group
[12:54] <amu> k3bsetup isnt a part of kubuntu *g* just use settings from k3b ;)
[01:03] <fairx> !rules
[01:06] <fairx> hullo..
[01:07] <fairx> i'm running liveCD rite now coz my grub refuse to load
[01:07] <fairx> could someone help me?
[01:09] <fairx> nvm
[01:09] <exclude> fairx: i guess i migght be of some help
[01:09] <_andre> as I make to install drivers of the sound plate audigy sound to blaster
[01:10] <exclude> fairx: can you elaborate on "refuse to load"?
[01:10] <exclude> sorry, fairx, gotta go :)
[01:10] <_andre> how I make to install drivers of the sound card audigy sound blaster in kubuntu??
[01:11] <fairx> nvm
[01:12] <amu> _andre[PT] : they should work out of the box
[01:13] <fairx> grub?
[01:13] <fairx> nvm lol
[01:13] <_andre[PT] > amu is internal card
[01:13] <amu> fairx: did you changed your bios-setting that you can boot from a CD ? 
[01:14] <fairx> yes
[01:14] <_andre[PT] > my kubuntu detect my onboard card ...but i want he detect my sound blaster audigy (internal)
[01:15] <amu> _andre[PT] : doesnt matter, check lsmod |grep emu10
[01:15] <fairx> grub giving me error like 25, 16 and such 
[01:16] <_andre[PT] > i put in console " lsmod |grep emu10" ?
[01:16] <amu> fairx: with which speed your wrote the CD ? 
[01:16] <amu> _andre[PT] : yep
[01:16] <_andre[PT] > amu ok im gona try
[01:16] <fairx> 16 I guess
[01:17] <fairx> amu: the md5 was correct tho
[01:17] <_andre[PT] > amu and now?
[01:18] <amu> fairx: happens sometimes with bad mediums ... best speed is 10
[01:19] <fairx> ic..
[01:19] <amu> _andre[PT] : any output 
[01:19] <fairx> amu: but, I've tried other as well, mepis won't load grub too
[01:19] <_andre[PT] > what I must do?
[01:20] <amu> fairx: if you use a new medium, and you burned with speed=10, and got the same problem, than you probably use an very old computer/buips version 
[01:20] <harsha_> can some one tell me a good download manger for kubuntu
[01:20] <amu> s/buips/bios
[01:21] <harsha_> like getright for redmond
[01:21] <amu> harsha_: kget 
[01:21] <fairx> amu: i'm installing kubuntu on my third HD BTW, as hdc, i'm using asus k7 board with latest bios
[01:22] <fairx> amu: whats >s/buips/bios
[01:22] <_andre[PT] > amu what i must do now? :S
[01:22] <amu> fairx: if the computer is older than 4 years your can run in this grub problem 
[01:23] <amu> fairx: easy test, test the same CD with another computer ;) 
[01:23] <fairx> amu: maybe I'll try dloading again and burn at lower speed.. my iso busted when I wipe my 3rd HD
[01:24] <harsha_> thanks amu
[01:24] <amu> fairx: BUT since hoary we'll not use grub as bootloader :) 
[01:24] <fairx> I dare not try it on my fren PC
[01:24] <amu> _andre[PT] : i ask about any aoutput 
[01:25] <fairx> amu: IC...what should I do then? try another? I tried using lilo but same problem
[01:25] <fairx> amu: hoary is 5.04 rite?
[01:26] <amu> fairx: that's the only os on your computer?  
[01:27] <amu> fairx: right hoary is 5.04
[01:28] <fairx> amu: win2k on my 20G maxtor ntfs (hda), 160G seagate ntfs (hdb), 10G seagate Kubuntu (hdc)
[01:29] <amu> fairx: and you write bootloader into masterboot? 
[01:29] <fairx> amu: I tried install grub on hda, hdc, and even floppy (doubt my floppy still working)
[01:29] <fairx> amu: yes
[01:31] <amu> fairx: stange, if grub doesnt work, lilo is the only possibility  
[01:31] <fairx> amu: this is not my first linux BTW, I used to try mandrake (8.1 years ago), xandros & linspire recently (up to 4 try and finally boot up)
[01:33] <fairx> amu: maybe I'll try later, wif new proper burn
[01:33] <amu> in past all distros use lilo :) it's since 1 or 2 year they changed to grub   
[01:34] <amu> and grub totally sucks with older computers
[01:34] <Diablo-D3> heh
[01:34] <amu> about 25% just wil nt work 
[01:34] <Diablo-D3> grub works well on computers
[01:34] <amu> ... on new computers :) 
[01:35] <Tm_T> heh
[01:35] <Tm_T> lilo works
[01:35] <fairx> amu: mine is late 2003 asus a7v8x-x with latest bios, amd duron 1600 and 512 ram
[01:35] <Diablo-D3> amu: is a 486 'new'?
[01:36] <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: yes it is
[01:36] <Diablo-D3> well, yeah, then I guess it doesnt work on old computers
[01:36] <Tm_T> my laptop is 486sx2 =)
[01:36] <Diablo-D3> especially since 2.6 doesnt support 386s anymore.
[01:36] <fairx> is mine considered old?
[01:36] <Diablo-D3> and debian and ubuntu both are removing all 386 support
[01:37] <amu> fairx: nope a "newer" one, most problems are with bioses from 2001-2003   
[01:37] <amu> Diablo-D3: *lol*
[01:37] <fairx> BTW, I'm trying to use grub-install on live CD, can someone help?
[01:38] <fairx> amu: my bios is last year, 2004
[01:38] <Diablo-D3> amu: seriously
[01:39] <amu> fairx: sorry that isnt kubuntu related :)
[01:40] <fairx> hmm
[01:40] <amu> Diablo-D3: i'm not joking, roll out a liveCD about 100.000 copies, 25% - 30% complaint that the CD doesnt not boot. I moved fastly away from grub, back to isolinux 
[01:41] <amu> ... and with isolinux there is also some trouble 2-5% will not boot, the best choose is syslinux :) it cant be cause the oversized initrd   
[01:41] <Diablo-D3> btw, you shouldnt use grub on cds
[01:41] <Diablo-D3> use syslinux
[01:41] <amu> Diablo-D3: that's the point, i'll never touch it  
[01:42] <fairx> Diablo-D3: how?
[01:42] <Diablo-D3> fairx: by not making botched live cds ;)
[01:43] <fairx> Diablo-D3: and whats syslinux? ....... i have noe idea at all.. noob here lol..
[01:44] <Diablo-D3> syslinux is the most minimalistic bootloader for linux in existance
[01:44] <fairx> Diablo-D3: is it hard to use? i'm gonna google it rite now
[01:45] <Diablo-D3> well, its not that its hard to use, its that theres nothing there to use
[01:45] <Diablo-D3> its not something a normal user would use
[01:45] <fairx> i'm googling it rite now.. BRB
[01:46] <amu> fairx: probably not useable for you, cause syslinux supports only ramdisks <1mb 
[01:48] <fairx> amu: any other choice?
[01:48] <amu> isolinux
[01:49] <fairx> amu: I'm on it
[01:54] <fairx> amu: hehehehe.. I read a few description...zenzen wakaranai... lol
[01:55] <fairx> amu: viewing SMB
[02:00] <smouche> nick smouche-away
[02:01] <smouche> oops!
[02:03] <fairx> i'm gonna redownload iso and create proper burn
[02:03] <fairx> thanks for all the info everyone
[02:04] <KaiL> "The file /boot/Grub/stage1 not read correctly" ...?
[02:04] <KaiL> what does this want to tell us? :)
[02:05] <Diablo-D3> it means it couldnt read stage1
[02:05] <KaiL> yes
[02:05] <KaiL> but why?
[02:06] <Diablo-D3> who knows
[02:06] <Diablo-D3> but if it cant boot stage1, then you cant boot at all
[02:06] <amu> rub-install is probably having problems with (i.e. has no support for) your install dev. try grub-install with "set -x" 
[02:07] <KaiL> try to install on a boring IDE disk with ext3....
[02:08] <Diablo-D3> yeah damnit, quit using broken file systems
[02:08] <Diablo-D3> ext3 > *
[02:08] <amu> sounds like you install it on a raid/sata raid ? 
[02:08] <KaiL> no raid, nothing
[02:08] <KaiL> only some FSC laptop crap ( kkathman-away , awake *ggg*)
[02:08] <amu> fdisk -l ?  
[02:09] <uniq> kail: which fsc? 
[02:09] <KaiL> uhm?
[02:10] <KaiL> wtf? lists the partition as NTFS.....?
[02:10] <uniq> '< KaiL> only some FSC laptop crap..'  ? 
[02:10] <KaiL> Fujitsu-Siemens
[02:10] <uniq> which? 
[02:10] <KaiL> Lifebook E8010
[02:11] <KaiL> did I found a bug, that the partition type isn't changed, if both (old and new)have the same size?
[02:12] <uniq> ok.. I have Amilo A1640.. and i had to use the winxp ntldr to start grub.. so first i choose win/linux in ntldr.. and then i get to choose which kernel in grub.. 
[02:14] <uniq> i tried for like two days.. to get grub/lilo to load.. no chance.
[02:17] <KaiL> framebuffer  with 1400x1050 px?
[02:18] <uniq> me? no, 1280x800.
[02:19] <KaiL> only want to know, if that's possible
[02:19] <KaiL> and how
[02:35] <rodolfo> what would be an optimum amount of space to reserve for a root partition in kubuntu, assuming to have root, swap and home?
[02:36] <teknoprep> heh
[02:36] <Riddell> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[02:36] <Riddell> /dev/hda2             3.7G  2.2G  1.3G  63% /
[02:36] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: I dont do stupid shit like that
[02:36] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: I put /home on /
[02:36] <teknoprep> i would do 10%-/ 2gB-swap Rest-/home
[02:37] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: how much memory do you have?
[02:37] <Riddell> rodolfo: 3 or 4 gigs probably
[02:37] <rodolfo> 60 GB
[02:37] <Diablo-D3> I said memory, not hd space.
[02:37] <teknoprep> lol
[02:37] <rodolfo> oops
[02:38] <rodolfo> 512 MB
[02:38] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: then 128 megs swap
[02:38] <Diablo-D3> and the rest root
[02:38] <Diablo-D3> and no seperate home
[02:38] <Riddell> keeping /home separate makes reinstalls a lot easier
[02:39] <Diablo-D3> yes, but it also fucks you over if you need more space in one partition or the other
[02:39] <Diablo-D3> its just not worth the hassle, especially when you have a tiny drive like 60 gigs
[02:39] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: less swear words please
[02:39] <teknoprep> wtf
[02:40] <teknoprep> why do ppl care if there are swear words
[02:40] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: only immature people care.
[02:40] <crimsun_> teknoprep: because it's part of the Code of Conduct
[02:40] <teknoprep> IRC is skrewed... freedom of speech is the invention IRC stands on
[02:40] <teknoprep> HAHAHA
[02:40] <Diablo-D3> people who actually want to get stuff done glean information from whats being said and otherwise stfu
[02:40] <teknoprep> Code of Conduct
[02:41] <crimsun_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/view  of course
[02:41] <Diablo-D3> crimsun_: which doesnt apply to this irc channel.
[02:42] <Diablo-D3> or any irc channel
[02:42] <teknoprep> well using the word fuck in general and not towards someone... is not considered inapropriate
[02:42] <teknoprep> if he had said you f(*king c90K sucker .. then thats different
[02:43] <Riddell> it does apply here
[02:43] <Diablo-D3> #kubuntu is not, and shall never be, an official resource of the ubuntu project.
[02:43] <teknoprep> w0ot
[02:43] <teknoprep> i love you Diablo
[02:43] <teknoprep> it does say that on Kubuntu's site
[02:43] <crimsun_> as an official developer of the Kubuntu project, I'm fairly certain Riddell is in a good position to say what Kubuntu inherits from Ubuntu.
[02:43] <Riddell> kubuntu is official
[02:43] <Tm_T> have someone tested kompos app ?
[02:44] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: this applies to #ubuntu and #ubuntu-devel as well
[02:44] <Diablo-D3> They are not official resources of the ubuntu project.
[02:44] <crimsun_> Diablo-D3: yes, it does, and they are.
[02:44] <Riddell> they are both very official
[02:44] <teknoprep> Riddell is an "official" developer
[02:44] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/Kompose_001.png
[02:44] <Tm_T> I'm official idiot o/
[02:45] <Tm_T> ;p
[02:45] <uniq> what.. pbuilder create dies on me.
[02:45] <teknoprep> Tm_T lol
[02:45] <teknoprep> Riddell what do you develop.. you are a programmer
[02:45] <teknoprep> ?
[02:46] <Diablo-D3> I think hes just a motu
[02:46] <uniq> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JonathanRiddell
[02:46] <crimsun_> not just.
[02:46] <teknoprep> i need someone to start helping me write my ideas on ip clustering and linux
[02:46] <uniq> there you go. 
[02:46] <teknoprep> i have some great ideas.. i know what needs to be done
[02:46] <crimsun_> he was pretty much the driving force behind Kubuntu (a few others, too)
[02:46] <teknoprep> but not enough C programming knowlege
[02:47] <Riddell> teknoprep: I develop Kubuntu
[02:47] <teknoprep> wow
[02:47] <teknoprep> so you write doc's on how to click stuff
[02:47] <teknoprep> or do you actually program
[02:47] <teknoprep> as you put it there.. you are the only person that does it
[02:47] <teknoprep> or do you just make precompiled packages
[02:47] <teknoprep> put them onto one nice CD and wala
[02:48] <teknoprep> you are now a developer
[02:49] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: why hasnt packages with the kdelibs-debug.sh fixes in it been released yet?
[02:49] <Riddell> teknoprep: I write the spec, program the programs, package the packages, define the seeds
[02:49] <teknoprep> seeds?
[02:49] <crimsun_> Diablo-D3: because they can't go into Hoary and because C++ libs are frozen in Breezy for the G++ 4.0 transition
[02:49] <teknoprep> what programs do you program.. i thought it was all compiled open source
[02:50] <Diablo-D3> snhsjhnsh blah
[02:50] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3 that as good as swearing
[02:50] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: I'm not incharge of the archives alas, the knetworkconf and kdelibs fix are both sitting there but nobody has put them onto the servers
[02:50] <teknoprep> we all know what you meant
[02:50] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: no, thats exactly what I meant
[02:50] <teknoprep> lol
[02:50] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: =(
[02:51] <Diablo-D3> Riddell, crimsun_: are either of you on breezy atm?
[02:51] <Riddell> teknoprep: kdesu to sudo, I also need to look at the system menu, the package manager, hwdb and other bits
[02:51] <teknoprep> kde-config doesn't work either
[02:52] <teknoprep> sudo kde-config does shit also
[02:52] <crimsun_> Diablo-D3: yes, but until I have a working non-employer Internet connection, I can't access it
[02:52] <Riddell> teknoprep: seeds are the list of packages we want on the CD KubuntuFiles should list them
[02:52] <teknoprep> it should bring up the kde-config stuff
[02:52] <Riddell> transgress: what doesn't work about it?
[02:52] <Riddell> teknoprep rather
[02:52] <teknoprep> type it
[02:52] <teknoprep> kde-config .. does nothing
[02:52] <teknoprep> no error
[02:52] <teknoprep> nothing.
[02:52] <rodolfo> Diablo-D3, 128M of swap is enough?
[02:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: btw pykde is still broken ;)
[02:53] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: yeah, since you have 512 megs of memory
[02:53] <Riddell> kde-config --prefix  works for me
[02:53] <uniq> teknoprep: thats how kde-config should behave.
[02:53] <teknoprep> wow
[02:53] <crimsun_> Tm_T: yes, it's being worked on in Breezy
[02:53] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: Im seriously doubting you'll be using it all any time soon
[02:53] <Tm_T> hmm, 1G ram and 1,5G swap
[02:53] <Riddell> Tm_T: yeah, known, we have someone working on it
[02:53] <Tm_T> must get more mem
[02:53] <teknoprep> kde-config brings up a window that lets you configure kde.. most distro's have that as your first kde window before you get into the kde os
[02:53] <teknoprep> s/os/wm
[02:53] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: if you seriously are going to use more than that, then feel to crank it up
[02:54] <Tm_T> Riddell: yeah, I know, just wanted to mention it, evil man I am
[02:54] <teknoprep> other then that great job on getting things to work so well
[02:54] <Riddell> Tm_T: keep reminding us :)
[02:54] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: I have 512 megs of swap on my box because I routinely run out of memory compiling stuff that kills gcc
[02:54] <Tm_T> Riddell: I will! ;)
[02:54] <Riddell> teknoprep: kpersonalizer ?
[02:54] <Tm_T> crimsun_: hmm, what you mean?
[02:54] <teknoprep> i love automounting
[02:55] <teknoprep> lol
[02:55] <teknoprep> Riddell wtf
[02:55] <crimsun_> Tm_T: what Riddell said
[02:55] <Tm_T> crimsun_: ok :)
[02:55] <teknoprep> that doesnt make sense
[02:55] <rodolfo> Diablo-D3, ok, maybe 256 megs? I am in doubt about the / and /home...
[02:55] <teknoprep> in gentoo i type kde-config and it brings up that window
[02:55] <teknoprep> even in 3.4
[02:56] <teknoprep> it should not be distro specific as kde doesn't care about gentoo or kubuntu
[02:56] <uniq> then gentoo is fubar.
[02:56] <Diablo-D3> gentoo sucks anyhow
[02:56] <Tm_T> Riddell: was it \sh who's working on it?
[02:56] <crimsun_> yes, \sh is involved
[02:56] <Tm_T> ok
[02:56] <Riddell> teknoprep: kde-config is just for finding the paths used by KDE, it sounds like you're describing kpersonalizer
[02:56] <Riddell> Tm_T: that's the man
[02:56] <Tm_T> that explains why he's never active here =)
[02:56] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: if you seriously want a seperate home, then have, say, a 7.5 gig /
[02:56] <Tm_T> he must be busy =)
[02:56] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: well, 10 gig actually
[02:57] <crimsun_> he's active in -motu
[02:57] <Tm_T> :p
[02:57] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: actually, just type in a random number. Whatever one you choose is going to be the wrong one
[02:57] <teknoprep> Riddell i was
[02:57] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: when you only have a 60 gig drive, you dont have enough space left to waste like that
[02:58] <teknoprep> just 2 partitions
[02:58] <teknoprep> 1 swap 1 system
[02:58] <teknoprep> is it a server
[02:58] <teknoprep> if not who cares
[02:59] <rodolfo> Diablo-D3, my actual installation has 10G / and about 32G /home
[02:59] <teknoprep> learn to have a different backup method then partitions
[02:59] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: that works
[02:59] <Diablo-D3> rodolfo: ... but 10 + 32 != 60
[02:59] <teknoprep> lol
[02:59] <teknoprep> less he has big swap 
[02:59] <rodolfo> yes I left a space freee to test other distros
[02:59] <Diablo-D3> ahh
[02:59] <Diablo-D3> I dont bother doing that
[02:59] <Diablo-D3> but yeah, unless you actually know you'll need more memory, dont add lots of swap
[03:00] <teknoprep> 4 1gig usb cards
[03:00] <rodolfo> I would also not, want to find the definitive distro!
[03:00] <teknoprep> raid em and install distro's
[03:00] <Diablo-D3> I've been going on the rule of "everything must add up to atleast 512 megs, BUT you cant have less than 128 megs of swap"
[03:00] <Diablo-D3> thats been working quite well for the last two or three years
[03:00] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3 you can have none
[03:01] <teknoprep> i have firewall's without hdd's
[03:01] <teknoprep> just 1gig mem
[03:01] <rodolfo> I also prefer to have only /, but am concerned about reinstalls and backups of /home
[03:01] <teknoprep> are you really that concered
[03:01] <Tm_T> heh
[03:01] <teknoprep> put /home on another server
[03:01] <teknoprep> or computer
[03:02] <teknoprep> using NFS or SMB share
[03:02] <Tm_T> I have 20G / and 40G /home
[03:02] <Tm_T> in 160G HD
[03:02] <Tm_T> maybe I clean my ~90G partition and use it too =)
[03:02] <_simple> why would kubuntu want to boot into a command prompt only?
[03:03] <Tm_T> _simple: why not ;)
[03:03] <rodolfo> teknoprep you mean when I have to backup?
[03:03] <_simple> ij
[03:03] <_simple> uh*
[03:03] <Riddell> _simple: X not set up?
[03:03] <_simple> because i don't want it to why not
[03:03] <_simple> it was fine
[03:03] <_simple> i install kernel headers
[03:03] <Tm_T> was
[03:03] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: I never do none
[03:03] <_simple> install alsa, run config set up sound device reboot
[03:03] <_simple> only boots to a command prompt now
[03:03] <teknoprep> do none what
[03:04] <_simple> maybe maybe not
[03:06] <_simple> boo
[03:08] <teknoprep> lol
[03:08] <teknoprep> i am going crazy with sudo
[03:08] <teknoprep> i type in what i want to do every time
[03:08] <teknoprep> and forget sudo
[03:08] <teknoprep> arrow up , home , sudo , end , enter
[03:09] <_simple> i'm going crazy with booting to a command prompt ;o
[03:09] <teknoprep> lol
[03:09] <teknoprep> why
[03:09] <teknoprep> well unless you work with linux as a server.. console would suck
[03:09] <_simple> why ? i have no clue
[03:09] <_simple> i did virtually nothing
[03:10] <_simple> install the 1.0.8-5-386 headers, configured alsa finally, and rebooted
[03:12] <_simple> wonder how to install kde or reinstall gnome, or something..anything :D
[03:12] <Riddell> _simple: try  /etc/init.d/kdm start
[03:12] <teknoprep> who here likes kontact better then evolution
[03:12] <teknoprep> ?
[03:12] <_simple> alright thank you will 
[03:12] <teknoprep> does kontact have an exchange plugin yet
[03:12] <_simple> , ,*
[03:12] <Tm_T> teknoprep: I think Thunderbird is all I need
[03:12] <teknoprep> i need exchnage plugin
[03:15] <MeHere> hi can anyone help me with kdevelop?
[03:16] <MeHere> anybody how?
[03:20] <vicks> why does firefox eat and leak so much memory?
[03:20] <vicks> j #ubuntu
[03:23] <teknoprep> lol
[03:23] <teknoprep> bad memory
[03:23] <teknoprep> firefox does not do that on my system
[03:24] <Kyaneos> hi
[03:24] <vicks> teknoprep: really? thats strange. it does it even if i run live-cd. do you have the ubuntu-firefox?
[03:24] <_simple> damn didn't work
[03:26] <Schattenkind> What's better? Kubundu or Ubuntu?
[03:26] <Schattenkind> d=t
[03:27] <Schattenkind> Okay
[03:27] <Schattenkind> I understand :-D
[03:27] <Tm_T> =)
[03:27] <Tm_T> I just wonder, what he understands =)
[03:27] <_simple> hearing the irc walls talk maybe
[03:28] <Tm_T> haha
[03:30] <teknoprep> lol
[03:50] <teknoprep> can i use a debian repository with kubuntu
[03:50] <teknoprep> and not skrew stuff up
[03:59] <Tm_T> teknoprep: not really
[04:00] <Tm_T> teknoprep: there's too much conflicts
[04:01] <steffenstrobel> hi everybody, i have a problem with my soundcard! I have an iBook G3 and external speakers connected to it. When I start Kubuntu the Sound isn't working. When I unplug the external speakers and replug them in the sound is working... How can I fix this? Because I don't want to plug out and then plug in the speakers everytime i reboot... ;-) Thanks!!!
[04:02] <KaiL_testing> damn FSC :p
[04:02] <KaiL_testing> May 18 15:41:03 localhost kernel: hub 4-0:1.0: over-current change on port 1
[04:02] <KaiL_testing> ...and USB (except the internal Bluetooth!) doesn't say anything...
[04:04] <kkathman-away> morning all (at least its morning here) :)
[04:08] <KaiL> ...and why this damn synaptocs doesn#t work...
[04:08] <KaiL> stupid FSC
[04:11] <Tm_T> =)
[04:11] <Tm_T> KaiL: relax man
[04:12] <Tm_T> take it easy, breath deep and then open root shell ;p
[04:16] <kkathman> haha
[04:17] <steffenstrobel> concerning my sound problem: if no one here knows how to fix it, is here somebody who could give my a hint or the name of a config file that should perhaps be changed...
[04:17] <kkathman> steffenstrobel: what was the problem, I may not have seen it
[04:18] <Tm_T> kkathman: you can't scroll back?
[04:18] <steffenstrobel> if i boot up my ibook (with external speakers plugged in) the sound isn't working... but when i plug off and then plug in the speaker it is suddenly working....
[04:18] <Tm_T> you can always use backlog command
[04:19] <Tm_T> I mean lastolog :p
[04:19] <Tm_T>  "/lastlog kkathman 20" gives 20 last lines from kkathman :)
[04:20] <Tm_T> it can't be asier
[04:20] <KaiL> hmm, no synaptocs....
[04:20] <kkathman> steffenstrobel: so if you boot with the speakers NOT plugged in everyting works?
[04:20] <kkathman> Thanks Tm_T :p
[04:20] <KaiL> hmm, no synaptics?!
[04:20] <Tm_T> KaiL: synaptics or synaptic?
[04:21] <KaiL> with s
[04:21] <KaiL> the touchpad
[04:21] <Tm_T> ok
[04:21] <KaiL> kkathman: is that normal, that there's on synaptics on FSC?
[04:21] <steffenstrobel> yes, the sound is comming out of the internal speakers (low volume!) and when i plugin the external ones the internal one is muted and the external ones are playing at a normal volumes...
[04:22] <kkathman> KaiL: not sure  I understand your question.
[04:22] <KaiL> the touchpad seams not to like the synaptics driver....
[04:22] <kkathman> steffenstrobel: so you want to listen to your internal speakers over your external ones?
[04:22] <kkathman> KaiL: Ahh you are on a laptop then?
[04:23] <KaiL> there's a FSC Lifebook E8010 left to me ;)
[04:23] <steffenstrobel> no, i'm only using the external ones, and when i boot up i want that these speakers are immediately working
[04:23] <kkathman> KaiL: most "touchpads", at least in windows (dont know that much about Linux touchpads) have very specific drivers just for them
[04:24] <kkathman> KaiL: its not just a mouse substitute, in other words...does synaptics work with a mouse?
[04:24] <KaiL> "normally" you only need the so called synaptics driver...
[04:24] <KaiL> ...normally
[04:25] <steffenstrobel> kkathman: do you know understand what i'm meaning? ;-)
[04:26] <kkathman> steffenstrobel: Ohh ok I gotcha.  On some computers, especially those that mute the internals, the circuitry is activated, only when the actual plug goes in..i.e. there is a micro switch that disables the internals and activates the external. When you are booting..the system and the speakers are not plugged in, its as if the device doesnt exist.
[04:26] <Diablo-D3> I have returned
[04:26] <kkathman> steffenstrobel: Diablo-D3  may have come across this phenomenon
[04:27] <kkathman> KaiL: so is the touchpad just NOT working or is it like oversensitive or erratic?
[04:27] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: whats wrong?
[04:27] <steffenstrobel> Diablo-D3: Do you know something that might help me?
[04:28] <Diablo-D3> what?
[04:28] <steffenstrobel> Diablo-D3: i have a strange sound problem, scroll a litte bit up and you'll find it
[04:28] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: steffenstrobel has an i-book. when his external spkrs are plugged in, music is fine on boot, when they arent, no sound in the externals after boot
[04:28] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: dunno
[04:29] <kkathman> I think the machine isnt detecting the sound, because its activated when the plug goes in, ...typical of those that mute internal spkrs
[04:29] <steffenstrobel> kkathman: no! other way around!
[04:29] <kkathman> ohh yeah sorry
[04:29] <Diablo-D3> btw, about that touchpad, almost all laptops use synaptics touchpad
[04:30] <Diablo-D3> apple, gateway, ibm, dell, compaq, hp
[04:30] <steffenstrobel> kkathman: external speaker in -> no sound, not plugged in -> sound, first in then out then in -> sound ;-)
[04:31] <kkathman> steffenstrobel: uhmm.. ok..you mean ON BOOT right...when your spkrs ARE plugged in on boot you DONT get sound?
[04:31] <KaiL> reinstall - this time NORMAL mode, not server
[04:31] <KaiL> I'd laugh, if it works now :)
[04:31] <Diablo-D3> what? I got confused
[04:31] <kkathman> me too
[04:31] <Diablo-D3> it sounds like its applying your mixer settings
[04:31] <Diablo-D3> on boot
[04:31] <steffenstrobel> kkathman: exactly! but when i then unplug them and after that plug them in again the sound magically is working....
[04:32] <Diablo-D3> but after boot music
[04:32] <Diablo-D3> btw, did you say ibook?
[04:32] <steffenstrobel> yes
[04:32] <Diablo-D3> wtf is wrong with you
[04:32] <Diablo-D3> go run osx
[04:32] <kkathman> haha
[04:32] <steffenstrobel> i was using os x, there it worked, but now im using ppc linux....
[04:32] <Diablo-D3> brb again
[04:33] <steffenstrobel> Diablo-D3: how could i change the mixersettings on bootime?
[04:34] <steffenstrobel> Diablo-D3: when KDE is loaded I played around in kmix but everyting was right
[04:35] <steffenstrobel> so i don't think that kmix is the problem
[04:35] <steffenstrobel> it must be something else
[04:38] <steffenstrobel> failed to set mono volume 2
[04:38] <steffenstrobel> failed to set DRC
[04:38] <steffenstrobel> failed to set volume
[04:38] <steffenstrobel> btw: dmesg shows a few of these messages: 
[04:39] <steffenstrobel> Diablo-D3: & kkathman: where is the alsa config file located?
[04:39] <kkathman> that I dont know
[04:40] <kkathman> steffenstrobel: have you tried #ubuntu or linuxforums.org?
[04:40] <kkathman> Especially the latter is good for searching for exotic issues like this
[04:41] <steffenstrobel> kkathman: no not yet...
[04:45] <_adrian> g
[04:45] <_adrian> hi
[04:46] <_adrian> i have problems with the CUPS
[04:46] <_adrian> it says it cannot establish a connection
[04:48] <_adrian> hey
[04:48] <_adrian> i found a bug in my cups
[04:48] <Riddell> _adrian: what's that?
[04:49] <_adrian> every time i start up the kde printer manager it says that it could not connect to cups
[04:49] <_adrian> it also said i should try installing and running cups
[04:49] <_adrian> as far as i know i am
[04:49] <_adrian> running cups
[04:49] <_adrian> what is the cups port number?
[04:50] <_adrian> on my kde printer manager it says for cups: localhost:631
[04:51] <steffenstrobel> kkathman: do you have a liuxforums.org account?
[04:51] <_adrian> yes
[04:51] <_adrian> i know i should try there
[04:51] <_adrian> but its a pain waiting for an answer
[04:52] <_adrian> oh, right, its not for me
[04:52] <steffenstrobel> oh i asked kkathman...
[04:52] <_adrian> wvr, ill try anyway
[04:52] <_adrian> bye
[04:53] <steffenstrobel> kkathman: because if you want to search the forums you need an account...
[05:02] <teknoprep> yeah
[05:09] <kkathman> sorry I had to step away a moment
[05:09] <Neil3> we forgive you ;)
[05:09] <kkathman> hmm linuxforums and linuxquestions are all free
[05:15] <kkathman> why would he need my account hehe :)
[05:24] <Tm_T> hmh
[05:25] <Tm_T> well what should I do, what should I do...
[05:30] <kkathman> what should you do about what?
[05:31] <Tm_T> well, that's the second question =)
[05:37] <Tm_T> kkathman: no I don't smoke, I'm just bored
[05:48] <kkathman> bbl -massage time :)
[06:02] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: you still here?
[06:02] <Diablo-D3> crap hes gone
[06:03] <teknoprep> eh
[06:03] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: yes
[06:03] <hans_> after i installed fglrx driver i cant change the resolution any more...any help?
[06:03] <teknoprep> lol
[06:03] <teknoprep> add the resolutions to your list
[06:03] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: you did the last release of kdevelop3, right?
[06:03] <teknoprep> in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[06:04] <teknoprep> hans_,  what is your resolution now
[06:04] <Tm_T> teknoprep: that's not the only restricting thing, ddc is pain in the ass
[06:04] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: 3.2.0 from KDE 3.4
[06:04] <Riddell> is in kubuntu
[06:04] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: I cant figure out how to get the documentation system to work right... I got as far as installing htdig before kdevelop3, and now it asks me to build the doc index
[06:04] <teknoprep> Tm_T, i think he probably doesn't have the resolutions in his xorg.conf
[06:04] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: and it fails, and doesnt give any error messages
[06:05] <hans_> teknoprep: i think 1280x?
[06:05] <teknoprep> when using fglrxconfig he probrbly only listed 6 as his resolution.. instead of doing... 654321
[06:05] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: so Im completely confused on how to get it to work right
[06:05] <hans_> id dont know exactly cause i cant change t
[06:05] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: which locale?
[06:05] <hans_> it
[06:05] <teknoprep> hans do this exactly
[06:05] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: whatever ubuntu uses for english
[06:05] <teknoprep> hans_,  do this
[06:05] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10901
[06:06] <teknoprep> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:06] <hans_> ok ill try
[06:06] <teknoprep> then press crtl + w
[06:06] <Diablo-D3> nano?!
[06:06] <Diablo-D3> nano!?!?
[06:06] <teknoprep> type this in exactly
[06:06] <msb> vim!
[06:06] <teknoprep> stfu
[06:06] <teknoprep> you cocks
[06:06] <Diablo-D3> of all the editors you could have told him, nano!?!?!?!?!?
[06:06] <teknoprep> "1280x1024" for you search string.. with the quotes
[06:06] <teknoprep> this should bring you to a line that looks like this
[06:06] <hans_> i typed fglrx in the terminal
[06:06] <teknoprep> Modes       "1280x1024"
[06:07] <teknoprep> make it look like this
[06:07] <teknoprep> Modes       "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[06:07] <teknoprep> hans_, 
[06:07] <teknoprep> did i tell you to type fglrx in the terminal
[06:07] <teknoprep> i told you to do as i say
[06:07] <teknoprep> type this in
[06:07] <teknoprep> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:07] <teknoprep> then hit... crtl + w
[06:07] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: btw, is it considered a bug that kdevelop3's debconf wont ask me to build the index unless I have htdig installed?
[06:07] <teknoprep> that will let you search for shit... type in this into the serach string with quotes... "1280x1024"
[06:08] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: ie, theres nothing anywhere saying I should have htdig installed beside its in the suggested list
[06:08] <teknoprep> understand
[06:08] <teknoprep> and make the modes line look like the one above
[06:08] <teknoprep> nano rocks vim arse
[06:08] <teknoprep> vim blows 
[06:08] <teknoprep> : this and : that
[06:08] <Diablo-D3> vim > teknoprep 
[06:08] <Tm_T> oh please tell me, is there any way to disable DDC so I can use higher resolution
[06:09] <Tm_T> I hate this small 1280x1024
[06:09] <teknoprep> what rez do you want to use Tm_T 
[06:09] <teknoprep> lol
[06:09] <Tm_T> teknoprep: 1400x1050
[06:09] <teknoprep> Tm_T, what you need to do is add the line to your modes line
[06:09] <Liz4rd> Tm_T: hey man
[06:09] <teknoprep> yeah i use 1400x1050
[06:09] <teknoprep> this is my modes line
[06:09] <Tm_T> teknoprep: well, ddc restrict it out
[06:09] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: problem
[06:09] <teknoprep> Modes       "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[06:09] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: I have a /usr/share/doc/HTML/en
[06:09] <teknoprep> did you add it to your mode line
[06:09] <Tm_T> teknoprep: I have even higher res in that line
[06:09] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: erk! I misread, nm!
[06:10] <hans_> its already there
[06:10] <Liz4rd> Tm_T: :P i'm at school
[06:10] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: and throw a /kde/ in what I just told you to nm about
[06:10] <Tm_T> Liz4rd: school? somethin eatable? ;p
[06:10] <Liz4rd> :P
[06:10] <teknoprep> Tm_T, paste me your xorg.conf on www.pastebin.com
[06:10] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: but yeah, that looks similar to this bug
[06:10] <teknoprep> or you can use mine
[06:11] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: so whats the suggested fix in the mean time?
[06:12] <Tm_T> teknoprep: err, I don't, there's nothing wrong in there
[06:12] <teknoprep> http://pastebin.com/286134
[06:12] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: do you have the directory?
[06:12] <Tm_T> teknoprep: from /var/log/Xorg.0.log : "(WW) (1400x1050,Generic Monitor) mode clock 122MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz"
[06:13] <teknoprep> lol
[06:13] <Liz4rd> hey those new nvidia cards came out
[06:13] <Liz4rd> $999.99 :P
[06:13] <Liz4rd> for 512
[06:13] <Liz4rd> mb
[06:13] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: I have a /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en
[06:14] <Tm_T> teknoprep: even more from there: "(WW) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "1400x1050" (width 1400 is larger than
[06:14] <Tm_T> (WW) NVIDIA(0):      EDID-specified maximum 1280)"
[06:14] <teknoprep> lol Liz4rd  i have dual pci-e 6800gt's
[06:14] <teknoprep> for my gaming machine
[06:14] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: like you even need that kind of power
[06:14] <teknoprep> you are using NVIDIA
[06:14] <Tm_T> yes
[06:14] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, i play eq2
[06:14] <Tm_T> but that damn ddc hates me
[06:14] <Diablo-D3> I stand corrected.
[06:14] <teknoprep> hehe
[06:15] <teknoprep> runs insane
[06:15] <teknoprep> maximum all the time no matter what
[06:15] <Diablo-D3> for eq2, you may not even have enough power now
[06:15] <teknoprep> no its enough
[06:15] <teknoprep> 2 of them
[06:15] <Diablo-D3> you'll need a sli triplet
[06:15] <teknoprep> on an amd 64 3500
[06:15] <teknoprep> lol do they even have that
[06:15] <Tm_T> maybe I really should buy a monitor at once, you can't have good enough for free :/
[06:15] <Diablo-D3> hell no
[06:15] <teknoprep> i have never seen such a beast
[06:16] <Diablo-D3> you'd need like a 800 watt ps
[06:16] <teknoprep> lol
[06:16] <Diablo-D3> (which, btw, they do have)
[06:16] <teknoprep> i have a 420 and it works fine
[06:16] <teknoprep> with 4 x 32gb hdd 10k rpm sata
[06:16] <teknoprep> raid 0
[06:16] <Diablo-D3> <tekno's psu> I'm dyingz0r!
[06:16] <teknoprep> socket 939
[06:16] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: any output on the command line?
[06:16] <teknoprep> w0ot
[06:16] <hans_> teknoprep:  http://pastebin.com/286135
[06:17] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: this is within kdevelop3's debconf btw, but no, no output
[06:17] <teknoprep> well first thing
[06:17] <teknoprep> change the keyboard driver
[06:17] <teknoprep> to kbd
[06:17] <Riddell> debconf?
[06:17] <Diablo-D3> Setting up kdevelop3 (3.2.0-0ubuntu1) ...
[06:17] <Diablo-D3> Building the global documentation index.
[06:17] <Diablo-D3> This may take a while.
[06:17] <Diablo-D3> dpkg: error processing kdevelop3 (--configure):
[06:17] <Diablo-D3>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[06:17] <Diablo-D3> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:17] <Diablo-D3>  kdevelop3
[06:17] <Diablo-D3> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:17] <teknoprep> kbd is xorg.conf default not keyboard
[06:17] <teknoprep> hans_, are you on a laptop 
[06:18] <hans_> no pc
[06:18] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: yeah, install htdig then install kdevelop3, it then asks if you want to build documentation index
[06:18] <teknoprep> hans_, just use this one.. http://pastebin.com/286134
[06:18] <teknoprep> do this
[06:18] <teknoprep> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[06:18] <Tm_T> hmh, so you don't know how to disable ddc?
[06:18] <teknoprep> then just use mine i posted
[06:19] <hans_> ok thx
[06:19] <teknoprep> and if it doesn't work just recopy the xorg.conf.bak to xorg.con
[06:19] <teknoprep> yo
[06:19] <teknoprep> on mine tho
[06:19] <teknoprep> you have to take out the 1400x1050 resolution modes
[06:19] <teknoprep> or you won't see shit if your monitor can't handle it
[06:20] <Tm_T> heh
[06:20] <teknoprep> if you ahve any problems
[06:20] <teknoprep> press esc when booting
[06:20] <teknoprep> and boot into recovery mode
[06:20] <teknoprep> that will not load x
[06:20] <teknoprep> if misconfigured it can be rough
[06:22] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: so any clues?
[06:22] <teknoprep> hey anyone know what package has the game breakthrough
[06:22] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: you mean breakout?
[06:22] <teknoprep> yeah
[06:22] <Diablo-D3> theres like 235890258325259032 breakout clones in the universe
[06:22] <teknoprep> best game ever
[06:22] <teknoprep> i want the super breakout one
[06:22] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: kdevelop3 installs fine for me in hoary
[06:22] <Diablo-D3> breakout is like single player pong
[06:23] <teknoprep> yup
[06:23] <teknoprep> it rocks
[06:23] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: did you say yes when it asked you to build documentation index?
[06:23] <Riddell> it didn't ask
[06:23] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: you have htdig installed?
[06:24] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: I do
[06:24] <Diablo-D3> hrm, maybe its not htdig doing it
[06:24] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: what about kdelibs4-doc and q3-doc?
[06:29] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: kdevelop3-doc 
[06:29] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: that triggers the question?
[06:30] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: yep
[06:30] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: sudo ln -s  /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdevelop3/ /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdevelop
[06:30] <Riddell> that should fix the issue
[06:30] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[06:30] <Riddell> that kdevelop rename to kdevelop3 is such a pain
[06:30] <Diablo-D3> yay
[06:30] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: could you report a bug please
[06:30] <Diablo-D3> well
[06:30] <Diablo-D3> heh, I filed a bug earlier asking kdevelop to be removed, and kevelop3 to be renamed, but it was closed =/
[06:31] <Riddell> I never saw that
[06:31] <Diablo-D3> kdevelop (ie, version 2) is no longer supported, is dead, and should be axed
[06:31] <Riddell> quite minded to do just that
[06:32] <Diablo-D3> I wish you would do that, Ive ran across people who even said kdevelop sucks, not realizing that debian/ubuntu keeps 2 around
[06:32] <Riddell> yep
[06:33] <Riddell> seem to remember debian didn't want to do it for the hassle of new package/maintainer upload
[06:33] <Diablo-D3> heh
[06:34] <Diablo-D3> thats retarded, btw
[06:36] <Diablo-D3> grr! launchpad is down
[06:36] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: btw, why is there both launchpad and bugzilla?
[06:38] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: bugzilla is a temporary setup, lauchpad's malone is what will be changed to
[06:38] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: well, can you get on launchpad?
[06:40] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: nope
[06:41] <Diablo-D3> damn
[06:41] <Diablo-D3> well, theres two bugs from me on it
[06:41] <Diablo-D3> about kdevelop3->kdevelop
[06:41] <yourghetek> how do i get apps from debian.org through apt-get
[06:41] <Diablo-D3> or rather, I had suggested killing off kdevelop and turn it into a metapackage that just requires kdevelop3
[06:41] <Diablo-D3> yourghetek: you shouldnt, debian's debs sometimes dont mix well with ubuntu
[06:42] <yourghetek> mmm
[06:42] <Diablo-D3> yourghetek: everything you need is in ubuntu's universe and multiverse repos, though
[06:42] <yourghetek> how do i enable more stuff
[06:42] <yourghetek> like koffice
[06:43] <Diablo-D3> add universe and multiverse
[06:43] <yourghetek> is there a wiki on that?
[06:43] <Diablo-D3> just edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:43] <Diablo-D3> and then apt-get update
[06:45] <yourghetek> im looking at it now in nano
[06:45] <yourghetek> where do i add multiverse and universe?
[06:45] <Diablo-D3> some copies of sources.list even have a line you can uncomment
[06:46] <teknoprep> what do i add to just enable all REPO's that are stable
[06:46] <teknoprep> so i have a much bigger list of crap
[06:46] <yourghetek> # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe
[06:46] <yourghetek> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe
[06:46] <teknoprep> thats it
[06:46] <yourghetek> do i take off the # signs?
[06:46] <Diablo-D3> yup
[06:46] <Diablo-D3> yourghetek: and add multiverse to the end of both lines
[06:47] <yourghetek> of both those lines?
[06:47] <yourghetek> # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse
[06:47] <yourghetek> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse
[06:47] <yourghetek> like that?
[06:47] <teknoprep> yes
[06:47] <Diablo-D3> yup
[06:48] <Diablo-D3> and remember to remove the #
[06:48] <yourghetek> yeah
[06:48] <yourghetek> ok
[06:48] <Diablo-D3> and then save the file, and apt-get update
[06:48] <yourghetek> so i cant get things from debian .org?
[06:49] <Diablo-D3> yourghetek: you dont have to now
[06:49] <yourghetek> ah ok
[06:49] <yourghetek> wahoo! it found wine
[06:49] <Diablo-D3> universe and multiverse contain ubuntu built debs that debian has but main/restricted doesnt
[06:49] <Diablo-D3> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe mu
[06:50] <Diablo-D3> ltiverse restricted
[06:50] <Diablo-D3> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multi
[06:50] <Diablo-D3> verse restricted
[06:50] <Diablo-D3> erk
[06:50] <Diablo-D3> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[06:50] <Diablo-D3> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[06:50] <Diablo-D3> you may also wish to add those two
[06:50] <yourghetek> ok thanks
[06:50] <Diablo-D3> they're completely unsupported, but they contain a few useful packages
[06:50] <Diablo-D3> I forget which one, but one of them even has realplayer10
[06:51] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: so, yeah, let me go try that fix
[06:51] <teknoprep> what about mplayer
[06:51] <teknoprep> i so want that
[06:52] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: thats there
[06:52] <Diablo-D3> Package mplayer is a virtual package provided by:
[06:52] <Diablo-D3>   mplayer-nogui 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[06:52] <Diablo-D3>   mplayer-k6 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[06:52] <Diablo-D3>   mplayer-custom 1:1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu1
[06:52] <Diablo-D3>   mplayer-586 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[06:52] <Tm_T> hmh
[06:52] <Diablo-D3>   mplayer-386 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[06:52] <Diablo-D3> its in multiverse, btw
[06:52] <Tm_T> hmm, looks like there's one possible way to disable ddc
[06:53] <Diablo-D3> I prefer to not use it, btw, because its not compiled with x264 support, and libxvidcore4 is very outdated
[06:53] <Diablo-D3> it needs to be upgraded to 1.1.0-beta2
[06:53] <Tm_T> Option "NoDDC" to xorg.conf
[06:53] <Diablo-D3> tm_T: thats about it
[06:53] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: launchpad is back
[06:54] <Tm_T> let's if I have a enormous explosion soon ] ;=
[07:01] <knoppix> how do i delete files in rescue mode?
[07:06] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/693 https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/694
[07:07] <KaiL> drop kdevelop2 -> goooooood
[07:08] <KaiL> meta -> nop. rename.
[07:08] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: btw, your symlink fix had two problems, a) I had to remove /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdevelop first, b) it still fails
[07:08] <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: heh, that "noDDC" didn't work :)
[07:09] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I have to add "yes" after it :p
[07:10] <teknoprep> yeah
[07:10] <Diablo-D3> tm_T: you could also do option "DCC" "no"
[07:11] <teknoprep> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[07:11] <teknoprep> doesn't work
[07:11] <Tm_T> ok, again ->
[07:13] <teknoprep> why is eveyrone such a fan of vim
[07:13] <teknoprep> its horrible 
[07:13] <teknoprep> only time i use vi is when i work on solaris
[07:14] <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: no, it doesn't work :p
[07:14] <Diablo-D3> vim > *
[07:14] <Diablo-D3> works for me, btw
[07:14] <Tm_T> once more
[07:15] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3,  lol
[07:15] <teknoprep> nano owns
[07:15] <Diablo-D3> lol what?
[07:15] <Diablo-D3> nano owns nothing
[07:15] <teknoprep> very easy to use
[07:15] <teknoprep> i love it for what i do with it
[07:15] <teknoprep> edit files
[07:16] <Diablo-D3> so is vim
[07:16] <teknoprep> vim sucks with its syntax 
[07:16] <teknoprep> its an editor not a programing language
[07:16] <Diablo-D3> vim has syntax?
[07:17] <teknoprep> :blah
[07:17] <teknoprep> i hate it
[07:17] <teknoprep> well thats vi
[07:17] <teknoprep> i dunno vim but i know its not far from vi
[07:17] <Tm_T> haha, now it works... but eh, blurrrrr
[07:17] <teknoprep> Tm_T,  what you do
[07:17] <Diablo-D3> :qw!
[07:17] <Diablo-D3> :Q
[07:17] <Diablo-D3> :Q
[07:17] <Diablo-D3> :Q
[07:17] <Diablo-D3> :Q
[07:18] <Diablo-D3> damnit die already!
[07:18] <kkathman> hey hey :)
[07:18] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, i love you
[07:18] <Tm_T> maybe I should buy that bigger monitor afterall :p
[07:18] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: sorry, Im taken
[07:18] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, too bad.. i know how to work it baby
[07:19] <Diablo-D3> wow, I never thought I would be hit on via irc.
[07:19] <Diablo-D3> This is a new low for geeks everywhere.
[07:19] <teknoprep> lol
[07:19] <teknoprep> if you actually took that as being hit on
[07:19] <teknoprep> yes its a new low
[07:19] <Diablo-D3> speaking of which, I wonder where my gf ran off to.
[07:19] <teknoprep> my place
[07:20] <Diablo-D3> nice try, but she doesnt like people like you
[07:20] <teknoprep> lol
[07:20] <teknoprep> we are exactly the same foo
[07:20] <Diablo-D3> not really
[07:20] <teknoprep> you just can't admit it
[07:21] <Diablo-D3> she likes smart guys
[07:22] <teknoprep> lol
[07:22] <teknoprep> great she'll love me
[07:22] <teknoprep> hey so does my gf
[07:22] <Diablo-D3> I just have to talk about, say, quantum physics, and she jumps on me
[07:22] <teknoprep> wanna swap
[07:22] <kkathman> oooooo  Diablo-D3 zing :)
[07:22] <Diablo-D3> I just have to make sure I'm not holding a cup of coffee or something at the time x_X
[07:23] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: bah
[07:23] <teknoprep> bleh quantum physics is a predefined known.. knowing it doesn't make you smart
[07:23] <kkathman> wow into quantum physica are we?
[07:23] <kkathman> hmm
[07:23] <teknoprep> being smart is the ability to understand things that are not taught to you
[07:23] <teknoprep> hence IQ
[07:23] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: yeah, but doing it using a speech synth that sounds like hawking _is_ geeky
[07:23] <teknoprep> not that actual knowing of something but the ability to learn
[07:23] <kkathman> rofl
[07:23] <_kivanc> hi..
[07:24] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, lol
[07:24] <Diablo-D3> And, yes, I've done it
[07:24] <Diablo-D3> well, sort of
[07:24] <kkathman> ability to learn != desire to learn
[07:24] <Diablo-D3> I dumped the text of a hawking book into it
[07:24] <teknoprep> kkathman, that is true
[07:24] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: == high school students
[07:24] <teknoprep> kkathman, i am only a hs graduate
[07:24] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, no further edumacation
[07:24] <kkathman> excuse me?
[07:24] <Diablo-D3> heh, I didnt even graduate hs, actually
[07:25] <Diablo-D3> I sort of gave up
[07:25] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, lol
[07:25] <Diablo-D3> I was too busy learning shit =/
[07:25] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, lol true
[07:25] <Diablo-D3> And yes, I understand the irony of that
[07:25] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, i was put in a school for ppl with ADHD
[07:25] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, there i learned so fucking much
[07:25] <Diablo-D3> do you have adhd?
[07:25] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, becuase the classes were situated so i could learn without being a class clown
[07:26] <Diablo-D3> heh, what I need is a school thats basically a giant library
[07:26] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, yeah really bad case too.. even today i never realize i fidget like a mother fucker.. all the time i have to do soemthing... but have learned to use it for everything good
[07:26] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, took awhile before i started reading
[07:26] <Diablo-D3> heh, I love to read
[07:26] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, not that i couldn't i just hated it.. now it doit becuas i enjoy it
[07:27] <teknoprep> bleh
[07:27] <teknoprep> installed realplayer and it doesn't start
[07:27] <teknoprep> hangs from the binary install
[07:28] <Diablo-D3> heh
[07:29] <Diablo-D3> apt-get install realplayer10?
[07:30] <teknoprep> bleh
[07:30] <teknoprep> E: Couldn't find package realplayer10
[07:31] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[07:31] <teknoprep> you one link doesn't work
[07:31] <teknoprep> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[07:31] <Diablo-D3> apt-get install realplayer
[07:31] <teknoprep> yeah
[07:31] <teknoprep> did that
[07:31] <teknoprep> and it crashes
[07:31] <Diablo-D3> ouch
[07:31] <Diablo-D3> oh well
[07:31] <teknoprep> only program that does too
[07:31] <teknoprep> plus i know everything is fine on this laptop
[07:32] <Diablo-D3> try helixplayer
[07:32] <Diablo-D3> er helix-player
[07:40] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, what about that deb sourcelist
[07:40] <teknoprep> that doesn't work
[07:40] <teknoprep> is it working for you
[07:50] <teknoprep> well thats gay
[07:50] <teknoprep> i can only have one sound device running at the same time
[07:50] <teknoprep> there a wiki on settin up dmix
[07:52] <treke> Anyone know if you can get dpkg-builldpackage to skip the compile step on a kde package and just rerun the packaging portion? (Assuming that it's already been built once)
[07:53] <Tm_T> treke: man ;)
[07:54] <treke> hehe. I didn't even consider it might be a command line option :p
[07:54] <allee> treke: debuild -nc  (never used dpkg-buildpackage directly)
[07:54] <treke> I've been trying to hack the rules file by hand 
[07:54] <treke> thanks
[07:55] <treke> been trying to build a package of the current cvs kdepim and it doesnt quite package cleanly, and rebuilding each time gets old fast :)
[07:56] <allee> treke: yeah,  -nc saves lots of time in this case, even with not so big sources ;)
[07:57] <treke> would probably be easier to just run make install, but I'm a bit of a package freak 
[07:58] <Jormundgand> I'm having trouble with the hoary-security repo.
[08:01] <treke> oh that's much nicer
[08:06] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: who knows
[08:08] <Tm_T> teknoprep: amarok wiki includes dmix howto
[08:08] <Diablo-D3> dmix rocks
[08:08] <Diablo-D3> except, in reality, it sucks hard
[08:09] <Diablo-D3> good concept, bad implementation
[08:10] <teknoprep> lol
[08:10] <teknoprep> why is it so bad
[08:10] <Diablo-D3> it doesnt always works
[08:11] <Diablo-D3> and sometimes causes problems
[08:11] <teknoprep> can you give me a link to the wiki
[08:11] <Tm_T> teknoprep: amarok.kde.org just wrowse, you'll find it
[08:11] <Tm_T> b
[08:11] <teknoprep> i will
[08:11] <Tm_T> =)
[08:12] <teknoprep> didn't know it was amarok.kde.org
[08:12] <teknoprep> google searched for amarok wiki and found gentoo-wiki
[08:12] <Tm_T> google? ;p
[08:12] <Tm_T> hah
[08:12] <Diablo-D3> its easy to use btw
[08:13] <treke> hehe got everything to build
[08:13] <treke> and I only needed to "manually fiddle" once during the build process
[08:13] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: accept dcc
[08:14] <teknoprep> lol
[08:14] <teknoprep> shit don't know hwere it went
[08:14] <teknoprep> br
[08:14] <teknoprep> brb
[08:15] <Diablo-D3> rename it to .asoundrc and put it in ~/
[08:15] <teknoprep> send again
[08:15] <Diablo-D3> and then restart your session
[08:15] <teknoprep> wtf
[08:15] <teknoprep> i am not getting anything stored
[08:15] <teknoprep> this is gay
[08:15] <Diablo-D3> remember, its a hidden file
[08:16] <teknoprep> oh nvm
[08:16] <teknoprep> lol
[08:16] <teknoprep> i didn't see the .
[08:20] <transgress> okay if i run kdesu on kpackage, it has it's toolbar still connected instead of at the top of the screen as i have set in kde... is there a way around this?
[08:23] <transgress> is there possbily a way to sudo kpackage from a shortcut?
[08:23] <Riddell> transgress: set the toolbar settings for root user maybe
[08:23] <transgress> Riddell: yeah except i have root locked and don't care to unlock it
[08:24] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, yeah thats not working 
[08:25] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: did you rename like I said?
[08:25] <teknoprep> yes
[08:25] <teknoprep> .asoundrc
[08:25] <jjesse> exit
[08:25] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: you probably want to tweak settings in it too
[08:25] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: and if you have any oss apps, run them with aoss appname
[08:26] <teknoprep> wtf is aoss
[08:27] <Diablo-D3> a program that snoops oss calls and converts them on the fly to alsa ones
[08:28] <Diablo-D3> its like the oss emulation module, but you need to use it with dmix
[08:28] <Diablo-D3> dmix cant dmix the oss emulation module
[08:28] <sirukin> whenever I hear "snoops" and "on the fly" in terms of software; I think "it cheats", and "it automagically does it somehow, I don't know"
[08:29] <andre> hi...i have sound blaster audigy...but not have sound! some body can help me?
[08:29] <Diablo-D3> sirukin: thats pretty much it
[08:30] <Diablo-D3> sirukin: if you know how C functions work at the most basic level, then this is how it works
[08:31] <amu> as a tip, do not dist-upgrade you breezy from now on *g*
[08:31] <Diablo-D3> amu: um, why would you?
[08:31] <Tm_T> amu: hmm, well why not?
[08:31] <amu> new qt-lib arrives, thatmean your hole kde will be removed 
[08:31] <Tm_T> little adventurous additude ;p
[08:32] <teknoprep> bleh
[08:32] <sirukin> hmm
[08:32] <teknoprep> audio is setup like shit compaied to debian
[08:32] <teknoprep> in kubuntu
[08:32] <Diablo-D3> you should never dist-upgrade when using breezy
[08:32] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: no, its still shit like debian
[08:32] <teknoprep> debian was setup nice
[08:32] <teknoprep> wtf is wrong with the sound
[08:32] <teknoprep> is there a proper way to fix this
[08:32] <teknoprep> amarok crashes all the time
[08:33] <Tm_T> ?
[08:33] <teknoprep> never can start playing streams
[08:33] <Diablo-D3> dont play streams with amarok
[08:33] <Diablo-D3> ever
[08:33] <teknoprep> why
[08:33] <Jormundgand> Okay, sorry about that. Anyway, I'm having trouble with the security repositories. Here's a paste: http://pastebin.com/286208
[08:33] <Diablo-D3> amarok is severely broken when it comes to streams
[08:33] <Tm_T> teknoprep: hmm, 1.2.3?
[08:33] <teknoprep> yup
[08:33] <teknoprep> and i can't upgrade
[08:34] <Tm_T> hmm, try if svn work better
[08:34] <teknoprep> that shit error comes up for apt-get upgrade amarok
[08:34] <teknoprep> svn?
[08:34] <teknoprep> xmms works great
[08:34] <Tm_T> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Installation_HowTo#Building_SVN_amaroK
[08:35] <teknoprep> heh
[08:35] <teknoprep> don't have svn
[08:35] <Tm_T> install it
[08:36] <teknoprep> ahh subversion
[08:36] <teknoprep> had to search for it
[08:38] <amu> Jormundgand: How your /etc/apt/sources list looks like esp. the secu part ? 
[08:40] <othernoob> which kernel does kubuntu 5.04 use ?
[08:40] <Riddell> Linux pechin3 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:40] <amu> Jormundgand: grep security /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:40] <Jormundgand> amu: Hang on, pastebinning.
[08:41] <amu> Linux ppc 2.6.10-5-powerpc #1 Tue Apr 5 12:44:32 UTC 2005 ppc GNU/Linux
[08:41] <teknoprep> wtf
[08:41] <teknoprep> autoconf not found
[08:41] <Jormundgand> amu: http://pastebin.com/286217
[08:41] <andre> my kubuntu detect my sound blaster audigy but i dont have sound....somebody help me plz??
[08:41] <teknoprep> yeah that howto sucks
[08:42] <Tm_T> othernoob: you can use 2.6.11 also
[08:42] <amu> Jormundgand: remove multiverse and rerun apt-get update :)
[08:43] <amu> multiverse from the security line 
[08:43] <othernoob> Tm_T: thanks
[08:44] <teknoprep> svn: Connection closed unexpectedly
[08:44] <Jormundgand> amu: No change.
[08:46] <amu> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[08:46] <amu> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[08:46] <Diablo-D3> bleh
[08:47] <andre> my kubuntu detect my sound blaster audigy but i dont have sound....somebody help me plz??
[08:47] <Jormundgand> amu: It's not doing anything. The errors are still there.
[08:47] <Diablo-D3> andre: is both the master and pcm channels turned up and umuted?
[08:48] <Jormundgand> andre: Make sure you're using the right hardware. I remember (k){1}ubuntu detecting my headphones but sound was going to the speakers which were turned off.
[08:48] <andre> everything is up
[08:48] <Diablo-D3> andre: do you have surround sound speakers?
[08:48] <andre> yes 5.1
[08:48] <amu> Jormundgand: try to comment the backports and gb entries .. and rerun update 
[08:48] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[08:49] <Diablo-D3> dunno what to tell you
[08:49] <andre> my card is sound blaster audigy
[08:50] <amu> andre: you're the guy with the onboad card ? 
[08:50] <Liz4rd> hello...?
[08:50] <andre> amu yes
[08:50] <amu> andre: you disabled it ? 
[08:50] <andre> but i disable the onboard card
[08:50] <andre> yes
[08:50] <renbolicious```> how far is kubunto different from ubuntu?
[08:51] <amu> andre: modules are loaded ? 
[08:51] <Tm_T> just KDE vs Gnome
[08:51] <Tm_T> and artwork
[08:51] <Liz4rd> Tm_T hey man
[08:51] <Tm_T> hi Liz4rd 
[08:51] <Jormundgand> amu: Again, no change.
[08:51] <treke> Tm_T: More or less
[08:51] <Liz4rd> whats up?
[08:51] <Jormundgand> The opposite of down.
[08:52] <renbolicious```> Tm_T... I installed regular ubuntu and apt-getted kde
[08:52] <renbolicious```> so i got now both
[08:52] <renbolicious```> ...
[08:52] <Tm_T> yes
[08:52] <Jormundgand> Should that be apt-got?
[08:52] <renbolicious```> kubuntu is not different right?
[08:52] <andre> amu i think yes..but how i confirm?
[08:53] <treke> renbolicious```: if you installed kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu then you have the same thing as kubuntu with some extra stuff
[08:53] <amu> Jormundgand: could you delete all files from /var/lib/apt
[08:53] <amu> Jormundgand: could you delete all files from /var/lib/apt/lists
[08:53] <renbolicious```> treke: thx
[08:53] <Jormundgand> amu: I fail to see how that will help matters.
[08:53] <renbolicious```> do u also know how to get my native language
[08:53] <renbolicious```> ?
[08:53] <renbolicious```> because kde is in us-englisch
[08:53] <Jormundgand> renbolicious: look for packages marked -de.
[08:53] <treke> there is probably a package for it
[08:54] <Jormundgand> (I assume from your use of -sch- that you are German.)
[08:54] <amu> andre: lsmod |grep emu 
[08:54] <amu> Jormundgand: probably a broken, filelist  
[08:55] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: hey
[08:55] <teknoprep> does kubuntu successfullly upgrade yet
[08:55] <teknoprep> by doing a apt-get upgrade
[08:55] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: so, I cant get that to work
[08:55] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: and kdevelop fails to load some of the documentation plugins on load (such as the one required for kde toc docs)
[08:56] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: so I just give up
[08:56] <amu> Jormundgand: the files under /var/lib/apt/list/ are generated while your running apt-get update 
[08:56] <amu> ... if you delete them nothing happens :)
[08:56] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: if it gets fixed, Ill reconsider using kdevelop
[08:56] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: otherwise, Ill stick with the age old method involving vim and a few xterms
[08:56] <Jormundgand> amu: No effect, errors are still there.
[08:57] <amu> only with my 2 lines ? 
[08:58] <Jormundgand> amu: Since removal of the other lines had no effect we can say with certainty they are not causing extra error.
[08:59] <amu> Jormundgand: there are 3 possibilies that can happen, 99% your sources.list is wrong, 0,9% server gernerates at the moment a new packages.gz, 0.1% you cannot write in that dir
[08:59] <Jormundgand> Except we already ruled out any error in the sources.list since the errors recurred when I only had hoary-security main and universe enabled.
[09:00] <amu> Jormundgand: what happen if your sources.list is empty ? same error? 
[09:00] <Jormundgand> No errors when all lines commented.
[09:01] <amu> than enable the first, rerun apt-get update, what happen? 
[09:01] <Jormundgand> amu: First line is cdrom, causes no errors. Next line is regular repository, no errors. All lines except security main and universe cause no errors.
[09:02] <amu> Jormundgand: the last possibility is if you use a proxy :) 
[09:02] <Jormundgand> Which I don't, so don't try it. How do I turn off Caps Lock support?
[09:04] <amu> can happen sometimes, not correctly setuped proxies deliver the broken packages.gz  
[09:04] <Jormundgand> And what is wrong with sudo under Kubuntu?
[09:05] <Jormundgand> I get errors for some reason, but it works.
[09:06] <amu> Jormundgand: so the entry for security is wrong, checked it with 3 maschines here, works fine for me and millions other :) 
[09:07] <Jormundgand> If so why does it work for restricted and multiverse?
[09:09] <amu> as i know there isnt any secu support for restricted and multiverse the file is 0  
[09:23] <teknoprep> they going to let us know when we can do an apt-get upgrade and not have it break kde
[09:25] <kkathman> yum good lunch
[09:28] <yahalom> if i install kubuntu on my pc and then take the hard drive to another pc it should work right?
[09:29] <Tm_T> eh
[09:29] <Tm_T> if they are similar enough
[09:30] <kkathman> yahalom: well the machine you are transferring it to better have the same specs
[09:30] <kkathman> with windows you can do that to a great extent, but with Linux you cant, because the kernel is configured during install for that particular machine and its components
[09:31] <Tm_T> kkathman: actually you can't windows either
[09:31] <kkathman> thats what gives Linux its great performance
[09:31] <yahalom> kkathman: no not at all
[09:31] <Tm_T> kkathman: I've tried it several times
[09:31] <kkathman> Tm_T yes you can Ive done it hundreds of times :)
[09:31] <kkathman> I just did it recently when I switched boxes in fact
[09:31] <yahalom> kkathman: this one is a AMD XP 2000+ with 512 RAM that one is a celeron 500MHZ 65 RAM
[09:32] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, I only got nonworking w2k =)
[09:32] <Tm_T> kkathman: they booted and rebooted and rebooted and rebooted....
[09:32] <Tm_T> =)
[09:32] <kkathman> Tm_T I have NO idea how you do that...sheesh our company can send me a hard drive to put on my laptop and it works every time
[09:33] <kkathman> I just did that too, cuz one of my drives crashed...I got another overnight, put it in..not a problem
[09:34] <kkathman> yahalom: those two machine are fairly similar, but the reduced memory on the latter will kill you...the swap sizes in itself will be inadequate
[09:34] <yahalom> kkathman: the swap size here is use now. its 800MB
[09:35] <yahalom> that will kill the lesser one
[09:35] <yahalom> ?
[09:35] <kkathman> yes
[09:35] <kkathman> thats my guess
[09:35] <yahalom> so how do i fix it?
[09:36] <yahalom> install on site?
[09:36] <Tm_T> kkathman: so I did something wrong then
[09:36] <kkathman> apparently
[09:39] <yahalom> kkathman: appently if its the right kernel it should work
[09:40] <yahalom> i need to reduce all candy and animation, how?
[09:42] <yahalom> somebody?
[09:42] <yahalom> kkathman: ?
[09:42] <kkathman> candy & animation?
[09:43] <Tm_T> yahalom: try windowmaker ;p
[09:43] <kkathman> no, Im sure your swap partition wont be the right size, and KDE probably wont run in 64MB of memory :)
[09:43] <kkathman> wm yes
[09:43] <kkathman> maybe
[09:43] <Tm_T> Windowmaker is great
[09:43] <Tm_T> I use it
[09:43] <yahalom> kkathman: it runs :)
[09:43] <yahalom> kkathman: slow, but it runs.
[09:43] <Tm_T> kkathman: it runs, actually suprisingly well
[09:43] <Tm_T> yahalom: try KDE configuration wizard
[09:44] <yahalom> kkathman: the kde guys told me to get rid of all candy and animation and it will work decently. one of them has a celeron 300 and it working
[09:44] <yahalom> Tm_T: where is that
[09:44] <yahalom> yeah i was also surprised
[09:44] <Tm_T> yahalom: I'll find it, just you wait
[09:45] <yahalom> Tm_T: lol
[09:46] <Tm_T> yahalom: kpersonalizer I think
[09:46] <yahalom> sudo kpersonalizer ?
[09:47] <yahalom> does the windows behavior really act like windows?
[09:47] <Tm_T> you don't need sudo
[09:47] <Tm_T> yahalom: yes, mostly
[09:50] <yahalom> lol damn
[09:50] <yahalom> it looks like windows
[09:50] <yahalom> i'm going to throw up
[09:51] <yahalom> all that i'm missing now is explorer
[09:51] <yahalom> and my viruses
[09:51] <gdh> A lot of people complain that konq crashes a lot...
[09:51] <gdh> maybe that only happens in 'Redmond' theme
[09:51] <gdh> to give the full windows familiarity
[09:52] <yahalom> gdh: lol. i wish :(
[09:52] <yahalom> gdh: it crashes on my plastic. but funny u said that...as soon as i clicked redmond konqueror crashed
[09:53] <gdh> :)
[09:53] <yahalom> does kaffeine play mpegs or do i have to get the codecs?
[09:54] <schurig> does kubuntu/ubuntu have something similar to Debian Unstable ?
[09:54] <transgress> schurig: well it has breezy... which isn't like debian unstable... it actually has bleeding edge packages
[09:54] <schurig> yahalom: for me, kaffeine plays mpegs, but I installed some additional packages, didn't try that before installation
[09:55] <transgress> yahalom: just try it
[09:55] <schurig> transgress: so it's like experimental?  -))
[09:55] <yahalom> transgress: cant i play mpegs from a cd? it says can only play local
[09:55] <transgress> schurig: it's like breakage
[09:56] <transgress> yahalom: mount the cd...
[09:56] <yahalom> ok
[09:56] <yahalom> can someone give me their /etc/resolv.conf
[09:56] <yahalom> i lost my server
[09:57] <yahalom> i just need one. no pages showing up
[09:57] <transgress> how can you lose your resolv.conf?
[09:58] <gdh> 194.46.0.1 will resolve for you, probably :)
[09:58] <yahalom> transgress: i dont know. they sent me a wrong server
[09:58] <gdh> one I've been using as an external test since I worked at that ISP years ago
[09:58] <gdh> the address just stuck in my head
[09:59] <yahalom> gdh: great thanx
[09:59] <yahalom> transgress: my isp has crappy dns
[09:59] <yahalom> i usually use 4.0. something
[10:00] <yahalom> gdh: works great
[10:00] <yahalom> gdh: what location?
[10:00] <gdh> Belfast, Northern Ireland :)
[10:01] <yahalom> gdh: cool
[10:01] <yahalom> kkathman: i could always shrink the swap?
[10:02] <yahalom> kde is german right?
[10:03] <gdh> As much as Linux is Finnish...
[10:10] <Pedrero> hello all !
[10:12] <mrmanic> what is the recommended tool for playing embedded video in mozilla firefox or konquerer?
[10:13] <Pedrero> i download Kubuntu today and i can't configure my X ... so i'm using 640X480 :-P anybody can help-me please ? i'm newbie in Linux :-)
[10:15] <transgress> mrmanic: konq has kaffeine embedded
[10:16] <transgress> mozilla can embed mplayer... but it doesn't work as well...
[10:16] <mrmanic> mplayerplug-in isn't apt-gettable
[10:16] <mrmanic> that's what i used to use.
[10:16] <transgress> you didn't ask for aptable... but umm... yeah konq has kaffeine embedded and it rocks
[10:16] <_simple> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:16] <mrmanic> ok
[10:16] <_simple> which header should i get with that kernel?
[10:16] <transgress> Pedrero: what kind of video card?
[10:17] <mrmanic> well that's something, at least
[10:17] <_simple> last time i installed headers, i couldn't boot in gnome
[10:17] <_simple> just to a command prompt, startx would just load to a crappy screen with the x cursor thing like it's waiting for it to load, but it hangs there
[10:17] <Pedrero> transgress: 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /G
[10:17] <Pedrero> E Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
[10:17] <transgress> mrmanic: see mozilla-mplayer in apt\
[10:18] <mrmanic> ah
[10:18] <Pedrero> i use debian in home, and to do this i change something in /etc/X11/XF86Config ... how can i do this in Kubuntu ?
[10:18] <_simple> eh oO
[10:20] <_simple> because i'm seeing 386 and i686 in that, i dont' know which to do
[10:21] <allee> Anyone a working video conf setup (SIP)?  I would like to test the fresh created konference deb.
[10:21] <transgress> Pedrero: dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server or something like that?
[10:21] <transgress> someone help me out... what's the command for that? 
[10:22] <mrmanic> ugh
[10:22] <mrmanic> mplayer doesn't seem simply apt-gettable.
[10:22] <transgress> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:22] <transgress> that's it
[10:22] <mrmanic> oh well, bbl
[10:22] <transgress> mplayer is completely aptable
[10:22] <transgress> maybe you don't have uni and multi on
[10:23] <transgress> yeah mrmanic mplayer is in multiverse
[10:23] <Pedrero> transgress: thanks ! you made a newbie happy :-D
[10:24] <transgress> Pedrero: np
[10:27] <schurig> transgress: googling for "ubuntu breezy" just reveals 1 (one!) match ...and the links seems unrelated ...
[10:27] <transgress> schurig: i promise you... the unstable of ubuntu is called breezy... as this version is called hoary... it's on the website.
[10:28] <transgress> you typod
[10:28] <transgress> Results 1 - 10 of about 60,100 for ubuntu breezy. (0.26 seconds)
[10:28] <schurig> transgress: so despite that it works in my /etc/apt/sources file, it's one of the best kept secrets :-)
[10:28] <transgress> schurig: don't run breezy
[10:28] <uniq> at least don't upgrade breezy today... or in a few days.
[10:28] <schurig> transgress: I'm using apt-pinning to get specific new packages out of it
[10:29] <transgress> so basically you'are trying to cause small breakage?>
[10:29] <schurig> transgress: yes :-)
[10:29] <Tm_T> adventurous spirit
[10:29] <schurig> Tm_T: hehe, I was running Debian Unstable the last two years
[10:30] <Tm_T> schurig: it is totally different
[10:30] <transgress> yeah but debian unstable is a lot more behind than breezy
[10:30] <transgress> you realize ubuntu is built on sid right?
[10:30] <Tm_T> SID is almost as stable as Ubuntu stable :p
[10:30] <Tm_T> or even more
[10:30] <schurig> transgress: but parts of it are less buggy, e.g. in some repository (forgot it) you can get KDE 3.4 for Debian. The kicker there doesn't mangle itself when you add apps/applets to it.
[10:31] <transgress> does sid have xorg yet?
[10:31] <Tm_T> transgress: I think yes, debian.org tells more
[10:31] <transgress> that was nowhere near a statement schurig ... it was a failure as a statement.
[10:31] <transgress> no offense
[10:32] <schurig> transgress: here, when I add some new app, e.g. Amarok, then my kclock applet moves from the very right to the middle left
[10:32] <transgress> you moved your systray then eh?
[10:32] <transgress> or opened another...
[10:32] <schurig> transgress: my english is not good enought to understand "that was nowhere near a statement schurig ... it was a failure as a statement"
[10:32] <transgress> schurig: that explains it.  it's alright then.  i didn't realize you didn't speak native english.
[10:33] <schurig> transgress: hehe, english speakers should get used to us pidgin english speaker :-(
[10:34] <transgress> i really should learn another language... might come in handy one day... 
[10:34] <schurig> despite the fact that I lived for 4 weeks in California and that i have visited the UK for 7 times or so, I still need some practice :-)
[10:34] <transgress> like job applications.
[10:34] <mrmanic> I say learn mandarin, hindi, or spanish.
[10:34] <schurig> transgress: the systray is normally on the second-rightmost side, but when I add apps, all things are mangled
[10:35] <schurig> transgress: with plain Kubuntu, without apt-pinning games ...
[10:35] <mrmanic> schurig: I have the same problem
[10:35] <Tm_T> it happen sometimes
[10:35] <mrmanic> schurig: you mean when you add an application button it gets added at the far right, right?
[10:35] <schurig> mrmanic: if he lives in Europe, then he might want to learn Russian. That's the next big emerging market for European Companies
[10:35] <Tm_T> but I don't have to add things into my panel/kicker
[10:36] <schurig> mrmanic: it's just that their grammar is very difficult, e.g. many cases (7)
[10:36] <transgress> i've never had that problem... 
[10:36] <transgress> hmm
[10:37] <transgress> i wanna learn basque
[10:37] <yahalom> how do i get layouts to change with a key combination?
[10:37] <schurig> mrmanic: when I add an application, it get's added to the other applications. But then suddenly the taskbar is VERY tiny, the plain clock is very large (larger than taskbar), and the Systray is also larger. Very weird.
[10:37] <mrmanic> schurig: wow, that's really messed up
[10:37] <schurig> mrmanic: when I remove the application icon, then the clock get's even larger, the taskbar get's even smaller ... it's no fun
[10:38] <schurig> mrmanic: KDE 3.4. from some Debian repository did not show this behavior ...
[10:38] <chavo> schurig, you might want to delete your kicker config. That may fix it.
[10:39] <mrmanic> schurig: this one? deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0 ./
[10:39] <schurig> mrmanic: I think so, it's on my debian box in the the company
[10:39] <schurig> mrmanic: added that a month ago or so
[10:39] <chavo> or just move it out of the way. ~/.kde/share/apps/kickerrc
[10:40] <schurig> chavo: did that, I got a default one back, but that (mis)behaved the same
[10:40] <chavo> ok
[10:41] <kkathman> howdy chavo :)
[10:41] <mrmanic> there are a few quirks in the various kde applications that come with hoary.
[10:41] <chavo> hello kkathman , how's it going
[10:41] <kkathman> going well, thanx and you?
[10:41] <mrmanic> hey kkathman 
[10:41] <chavo> yes. I've heard that. I built my own so it doesn't seem to have the same problems
[10:41] <chavo> kkathman, not bad at all.
[10:43] <Tm_T> kk
[10:44] <mrmanic> chavo: how time-consuming is it to compile kde?
[10:44] <schurig> mrmanic: VERY
[10:44] <chavo> mrmanic, it takes a long time, but I just have a little script that does it
[10:44] <chavo> let it run overnight
[10:44] <Tm_T> chavo: what is long time
[10:45] <schurig> mrmanic: I compiled earlier KDE version on MDK and it took quite long. Last year I tested Gentoo, and it took two days or so.
[10:45] <chavo> The whole thing will take more than a day
[10:45] <mrmanic> 2 days
[10:45] <mrmanic> ugh
[10:46] <schurig> mrmanic: my machine at that time was a 1 GHz Athlon, so your mileage may vary
[10:46] <chavo> But that's everything including kde-extra gear, etc.
[10:46] <transgress> on my amd athlonxp it took me about 6-7 hours to compile kde 3.4
[10:46] <mrmanic> I have a pentium m 1.6
[10:47] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe some day I'll compile whole "trunk"
[10:47] <transgress> eh Tm_T ?
[10:47] <schurig> mrmanic: I can also recommend "Konstruct", which is a tool to build KDE from Source, from the KDE project itself
[10:47] <Tezkah> Tm_T is an elephant handler
[10:47] <chavo> Haven't updated since the move to svn, though.
[10:47] <schurig> mrmanic: http://developer.kde.org/build/konstruct/
[10:47] <mrmanic> thanks, schurig 
[10:47] <schurig> chavo: hehe, at least "svn update" is not faster then "cvs update"
[10:47] <chavo> yes konstruct was what I used for the initial build and install, then updated from cvs
[10:48] <Tm_T> Tezkah: heh, you can't know how it feals unless you try =)
[10:48] <schurig> chavo: oh, typoo:  s/not/now/
[10:48] <Tm_T> feels
[10:48] <chavo> ah cool
[10:48] <smouche> hey everybody
[10:48] <Tm_T> smouche <3
[10:48] <mrmanic> hey smouche 
[10:49] <schurig> transgress: KDE is now in subversion, so what was CVS HEAD is now SVN Trunk
[10:49] <transgress> ima lay down for a bit... be back in an hour when i have to work
[10:49] <transgress> ah i see
[10:49] <transgress> thanks
[10:49] <smouche> so, with these day long kernel building projects, how much of that time requires user intervention?
[10:49] <transgress> never was a big cvs user so not a bit svn user either
[10:49] <smouche> I mean, are you glued to the machine for the whole ordeal?
[10:50] <smouche> never built nuttin' but a sandwich, myself
[10:50] <chavo> smouche, no just for the configuration
[10:50] <schurig> smouche: we spoke about KDE compiling-from-source, and no, you're not glued to the box, you can run it throught the night(s)
[10:50] <transgress> i didn't have to even pay attention when i built it
[10:50] <smouche> that's a relief
[10:50] <transgress> i built from gentoo unstable though
[10:50] <chavo> it shopuldn't take all day to build a kernel either
[10:50] <schurig> smouche: kernel compilation is way faster
[10:51] <chavo> but I haven't done it in a while, maybe 20-30 minutes
[10:51] <smouche> cool
[10:53] <smouche> well, I just lugged home a pentium 3 I found in somebody's trash, pretty complete system
[10:53] <smouche> should be fun to see if it runs
[10:53] <Tm_T> that Konstruct seems to be a big help
[10:53] <smouche> good candidate for (k)ubuntu or something
[10:54] <Tm_T> I was just wondering if there's a way to set up it to install from svn =)
[10:59] <smouche> folks, can anybody put me on the right track to solving this problem relating to text encoding:
[10:59] <smouche> when I run Eterm or aterm
[10:59] <smouche> I get gibberish on many characters when reading man pages
[10:59] <smouche> haven't noticed the problem otherwise in those terminal windows, just in man
[11:00] <smouche> in xterm though, everything is normal
[11:00] <smouche> in konsole, almost normal -- although hyphens turn into boxes
[11:03] <vicks> when i have prelinked my system, can i still upgrade my programs?
[11:22] <[A] ndy80> hi
[11:23] <nmorse> hey
[11:33] <Tm_T> phaah
[11:35] <nmorse> Dadgummit, 4-beta1 won't compile
[11:37] <nmorse> time to try again
[11:40] <andre> somebody help me install amule :S ? qhen i put in console "sudo apt-get install amule" they not found amule....
[11:41] <Tezkah> try "apt-cache search amule"
[11:41] <andre> ok im gona try
[11:42] <andre> dont apear nothing :S
[11:43] <[A] ndy80> andre: I think you need to add the universe repository
[11:43] <nmorse> Koffice sure takes a lot of time to compile
[11:44] <andre> [A] ndy80  how  I make that?
[11:45] <[A] ndy80> deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[11:46] <[A] ndy80> in /etc/apt/sources.lst
[11:46] <andre> ok ;)
[11:46] <andre> thx
[11:46] <[A] ndy80> sorry, sources.list
[11:48] <andre> i put "#"?
[11:48] <[A] ndy80> just remove the # 
[11:48] <[A] ndy80> before the universe lines
[11:49] <Tezkah> see, the number before it means that apt/dpkg/apt-get will ignore those lines
[11:49] <Tezkah> er, the # before it
[11:49] <andre> i cant save...giveme a error :S
[11:49] <Tezkah> did you edit it as root? =)
[11:50] <andre> as root? how i do that?
[11:51] <Tezkah> sudo emacs /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:51] <Tezkah> ctrl+x, and then ctrl+s to save it
[11:51] <andre> emacs command not found :S
[11:51] <Tezkah> WHAT
[11:51] <Tezkah> you're in trouble
[11:51] <andre> why ?
[11:52] <Tezkah> well, "sudo WHATEVERHEATHENEDITORYOUUSE /etc/apt/sources.list" should work
[11:52] <Tezkah> I'm just an emacs fanatic
[11:52] <andre> loll
[11:52] <Tezkah> apt-get install emacs21
[11:52] <Tezkah> woot
[11:52] <andre> lol ok
[11:52] <andre> what emacs21 do?
[11:53] <andre> instalation is finished
[11:53] <Tezkah> emacs is an advanced text editor
[11:53] <andre> =)
[11:54] <Tezkah> basically an entire OS within one beautiful editor
[11:54] <Tezkah> but yeah, now "sudo emacs /etc/apt/sources.list" will work
[11:54] <Tezkah> take the numbers out of the source repositories you want to use
[11:55] <Tezkah> take the # symbol... so they're no longer "commented out"
[11:55] <andre> yes sudo emacs /etc/apt/sources.list works
[11:55] <andre> what numbers :S?
[11:55] <Tezkah> "#" symbols
[11:56] <Tezkah> you should see something like
[11:56] <andre> all "#" ?
[11:56] <Tezkah> "#deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe"
[11:56] <Tezkah> just in front of the lines with "deb" and "deb-src" in front of them
[11:57] <andre> i cant do a "paste"
[11:57] <Tezkah> heh
[11:57] <Tezkah> most x11 things don't use the Klipper
[11:57] <Tezkah> highlight what you want to copy
[11:57] <Tezkah> middle click
[11:57] <Tezkah> past'd
[11:59] <muntyan> does someone know how to run Menu Updating Tool or how is that called?
[11:59] <muntyan> it used to be in Settings menu