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| mdke | hi Burgundavia | 12:12 |
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| Burgundavia | salut | 12:14 |
| mdke | good night all | 12:19 |
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| Kinnison | Hihi burgey! | 12:35 |
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| === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by sivang at Sat Jan 1 20:48:30 2005 | ||
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| mpt | Burgundavia: Ok, suggest some unauthenticated crack I should isntall to see this authentication alert (I assume that's the alert you're talking about) | 02:05 |
| Burgundavia | not that one | 02:05 |
| mpt | ok, how do I get it | 02:05 |
| Burgundavia | the settings--repo-->authentication one | 02:05 |
| Burgundavia | the first one is also too verbose | 02:06 |
| mpt | I don't even understand what that dialog is for | 02:09 |
| mpt | though I do know that I can open five copies of it at once, which shouldn't be possible. | 02:10 |
| Burgundavia | I can't on breezy | 02:11 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, did you see what I wanted to change the string at the top too? | 02:12 |
| mpt | Yes, I did, but I still don't understand what the dialog is for. | 02:13 |
| mpt | *How* does it help me check software integrity? | 02:14 |
| mpt | What happens if the software isn't integr... um, good? | 02:14 |
| Burgundavia | verifies that what you have downloaded is from a trusted source | 02:14 |
| Burgundavia | and hasn't been modified between the trusted source and you | 02:15 |
| mpt | So how does one acquire such keys? | 02:20 |
| mpt | I guess the keys for the Hoary repositories were supplied on the Hoary CD | 02:20 |
| mpt | but how would I get one when adding another repository? | 02:21 |
| Burgundavia | you need to add them manually :( | 02:23 |
| mpt | So you'd find them on a Web page or something? | 02:26 |
| Burgundavia | you find them with the repo | 02:26 |
| mpt | "with"? | 02:26 |
| mpt | Where would you find a repository? | 02:26 |
| Burgundavia | on the webpage that lists the repo | 02:26 |
| Burgundavia | basically, there is no reason why a user would need to add anything but the backports repo | 02:26 |
| mpt | ok. | 02:28 |
| mpt | Results of baz undo -n: | 02:29 |
| mpt | These files would be source but lack inventory ids (`baz add' perhaps?): | 02:29 |
| mpt | database/schema/patch-14-09-0.sql | 02:29 |
| mpt | These explicit ids have no corresponding file: | 02:29 |
| mpt | database/schema/archive/.arch-ids/patch-14-09-0.sql.id | 02:29 |
| mpt | whoops, wrong channel | 02:30 |
| Burgundavia | ok then, was wondering what happened | 02:30 |
| mpt | heh | 02:32 |
| mpt | but you can't add a repository other than the three in the menu anyway! | 02:43 |
| mpt | so why does that dialog exist? | 02:44 |
| Burgundavia | say again? | 02:44 |
| mpt | When I click "Add", I get a dialog containing an option menu with only three choices | 02:46 |
| mpt | Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog", Ubuntu 5.04 Security Updates, and Ubuntu 5.04 Updates. | 02:47 |
| === mpt wishes Synaptic dialogs wouldn't keep disappearing every time he switches to another window | ||
| mpt | So I can't add any other repositories. | 02:47 |
| mpt | Burgundavia: I was going to suggest: "If you use other repositories, you should add their public keys here, so Synaptic can ensure software it downloads from them hasn't been tampered with." | 02:51 |
| mpt | But if you can't add other repositories in the first place, there's not much point :-) | 02:51 |
| mpt | yay, and now a few of the disappearing windows are behind all my other windows and won't come to the front, the Repositories dialog refuses to close | 02:54 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, you can, but you shouldn't | 03:00 |
| Burgundavia | you can also add custom | 03:01 |
| Burgundavia | bascially, that dialog needs to be reworked | 03:01 |
| mpt | Oh, I didn't see that, because "Custom" didn't end in "..." | 03:01 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 03:02 |
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| === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by sivang at Sat Jan 1 20:48:30 2005 | ||
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| jsgotangco | gyaahhh community council meeting is 6am in my time | 07:24 |
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| mdke | morning all | 08:45 |
| mdke | CarlK, suggestions for documentation? | 08:46 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, you'll have to get up early :p | 08:46 |
| mdke | CarlK, suggestions for documentation are not too late, you can post them to the docteam list ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com | 08:53 |
| mdke | have a nice day all, i'm off to school | 08:54 |
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| jsgotangco | helllooo docbook junkies! | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | salut all | 10:19 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, ping | 10:24 |
| mpt | pong | 10:26 |
| mpt | @#$%! gtk focus model | 10:26 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, check your inbox | 10:26 |
| Burgundavia | didn't think you were going to be up, so I emailed you a link | 10:26 |
| mpt | awwwww | 10:28 |
| mpt | WordPress 1.2! That person needs to install security updates, stat | 10:29 |
| mpt | thanks for the link | 10:35 |
| Burgundavia | np, I like to filter news to people who need it | 10:37 |
| Burgundavia | as I am a news junkie | 10:37 |
| jsgotangco | what the | 10:40 |
| jsgotangco | http://www.sakakibara-kikai.co.jp/ | 10:40 |
| jsgotangco | jeezz | 10:40 |
| jsgotangco | real life mech warrior | 10:40 |
| jsgotangco | http://www.wordpress.tokyotimes.org/index.php?p=545 | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, hate to burst your bubble, but it doesn't actually walk | 10:46 |
| jsgotangco | heh who cares its got rubber bullets | 10:46 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:49 |
| === Burgundavia sighs at the local election results | ||
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, http://www.dailygame.net/news/archives/004062.php | 10:53 |
| === Kinnison yawns and stretches | ||
| Burgundavia | salut Kinnison | 10:59 |
| Kinnison | hi burgey | 10:59 |
| Burgundavia | oh, is early there | 11:00 |
| Burgundavia | I thought it was rather late, then I looked at the clock | 11:00 |
| Kinnison | s'not early | 11:03 |
| Kinnison | 'tis 10am and I've been going for a while now | 11:03 |
| Burgundavia | tis sam and I've been going for a while now | 11:04 |
| Burgundavia | tis 2am and I've been going for a while now | 11:04 |
| Kinnison | Aye, but you're a freak :-) (of the nicest kind) | 11:05 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 11:05 |
| Burgundavia | and unemployed | 11:05 |
| Burgundavia | wow | 11:06 |
| Burgundavia | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4555373.stm | 11:06 |
| === Kinnison was awake at 2am also, but that's 'cos I was in bed reading a book | ||
| Burgundavia | and what did you partner say to that? | 11:07 |
| Burgundavia | ick! ads on your mobile http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4556833.stm | 11:08 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia: erm, well when he came to bed he said "Find a stopping place" and conveniently I was one paragraph away from a chapter boundary | 11:08 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 11:08 |
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| BeerDump | gyahh | 11:13 |
| BeerDump | power failure | 11:13 |
| BeerDump | its raining so hard here | 11:13 |
| BeerDump | Burgy, we do have lpg powered vehicles for quite some time | 11:14 |
| BeerDump | even natural gas | 11:14 |
| Burgundavia | yes, but mandating it? | 11:14 |
| Burgundavia | no western country is that bold | 11:14 |
| Burgundavia | too many soccer moms with their SUV;s | 11:14 |
| === Kinnison 's main issue with LPG is it makes the vehicle sound like a bus | ||
| BeerDump | 3G advertisments ewww | 11:15 |
| === BeerDump is tired of sms spam as well | ||
| Burgundavia | I have never seen a non-gas/diesel vehicle | 11:15 |
| BeerDump | even electric? | 11:15 |
| Burgundavia | well, I have seen one electric and several hybrid | 11:15 |
| Burgundavia | but the former was not a car that somebody owned | 11:15 |
| BeerDump | some of the bus here are natural gas i think they are going to mandate it | 11:16 |
| Burgundavia | basically, there are some non gas/diesel, but they are very very few | 11:16 |
| BeerDump | because we have so much supply of natural gas down south | 11:16 |
| Burgundavia | BeerDump, where are you? | 11:16 |
| BeerDump | its me jsgotangco | 11:16 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 11:16 |
| BeerDump | we just had a power failure | 11:16 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 11:16 |
| BeerDump | its raining hard | 11:17 |
| Burgundavia | ah, tropical rain | 11:17 |
| Burgundavia | doesn't rain like that here | 11:17 |
| BeerDump | i think summer is about to end here | 11:17 |
| BeerDump | its been so humid lately | 11:17 |
| BeerDump | and raining hard in the afternoon | 11:17 |
| BeerDump | the heat i can manage but not the humidty | 11:18 |
| BeerDump | taking a bath twice a day is still not enough | 11:18 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, creating a deb package isnt that hard | 12:00 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, no it is not, but there are many different ways of configuring an already created one | 12:02 |
| Burgundavia | I basically ran into a wall and couldn't get past it | 12:02 |
| Burgundavia | I think I was failing to grasp some simple concept | 12:02 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh thats true | 12:02 |
| Burgundavia | thus I make a perfect candidate for tsengs thing, as I know a little big about it, but existing tutorials have failed me | 12:03 |
| Burgundavia | once I figue it out, basically I want to crank out packages with .desktop files | 12:04 |
| jsgotangco | PackagingSystemDocumentation? | 12:04 |
| Burgundavia | no, IntroDeveloperDocs | 12:04 |
| jsgotangco | ah | 12:05 |
| Burgundavia | I want a AddingADesktopFile doc | 12:05 |
| jsgotangco | Unfrgiven is supposed to make a draft | 12:05 |
| Burgundavia | yes, tseng is going to work on it once mono hits main, from what i understand | 12:05 |
| jsgotangco | right | 12:05 |
| jsgotangco | ok bye bye | 12:21 |
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| mkde | hi all | 03:26 |
| mkde | jiyuu0, ping? | 03:26 |
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| jiyuu0 | mkde, pong | 03:46 |
| jiyuu0 | just read ur mail too | 03:46 |
| mkde | jiyuu0, hiya, i just sent a second one | 03:46 |
| jiyuu0 | i think it would be best that the new adaption be for breezy guide | 03:46 |
| === jiyuu0 checkin | ||
| jiyuu0 | at least others who had translated 60% won't have to start again | 03:47 |
| mkde | it will be possible to import the translations which have already started | 03:47 |
| jiyuu0 | http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/Rosetta | 03:47 |
| jiyuu0 | is down | 03:47 |
| mkde | oh yeah | 03:48 |
| jiyuu0 | is that the sample site? | 03:48 |
| mkde | no its being used to translate all of Ubuntu's programs at the moment, and also some of our documentation | 03:48 |
| mkde | jiyuu0, sorry i got the link wrong. its http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta | 03:49 |
| mkde | jiyuu0, its possible that the people currently translating the guide are using .pot files already | 03:50 |
| mkde | jiyuu0, do you think its worth testing? | 03:50 |
| jiyuu0 | nope... cause i ask em to follow the guide's format | 03:50 |
| jiyuu0 | mkde, i would but don't think have extra time to burn | 03:51 |
| mkde | jiyuu0, the format would be maintained | 03:51 |
| jiyuu0 | that's why... maybe could test now... and decide whether should port for the next ubuntu guide | 03:51 |
| mkde | jiyuu0, ok i'll test and we can see how it goes, no pressure | 03:52 |
| jiyuu0 | ok thanks... | 03:52 |
| jiyuu0 | haven slept yet | 03:52 |
| jiyuu0 | since yesterday | 03:52 |
| mkde | lol | 03:52 |
| jiyuu0 | and starwars is at 11pm | 03:52 |
| jiyuu0 | noe 10pm | 03:52 |
| jiyuu0 | hehe | 03:52 |
| jiyuu0 | i'm sure i can concentrate or not | 03:52 |
| mkde | you seeing the first show? | 03:53 |
| jiyuu0 | yub | 03:53 |
| mkde | awesome | 03:53 |
| jiyuu0 | 3rd row from screen | 03:53 |
| jiyuu0 | ok... gotta take bath then going to cinema... c'ya | 03:53 |
| mkde | have a great one | 03:53 |
| jiyuu0 | :) | 03:54 |
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| mkde | hi | 05:43 |
| mkde | anyone ever done an html2pot before? | 05:44 |
| mkde | i guess it should be similar to xml2pot... | 05:44 |
| mkde | getting a bunch of weird messages | 05:46 |
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| abelli | jiyuu0: ciao | 06:37 |
| mattheweast | abelli, e' andato a vedersi star wars... ;) | 06:54 |
| mattheweast | _froud_, here? | 06:54 |
| abelli | mako: tanto per parlare italiano .. gli scrivero' una lettera minatoria. | 06:56 |
| mkde | ? | 06:58 |
| abelli | mkde: "to" + "send" + "somebody" + "an" + "email" .. | 06:59 |
| mkde | but who | 07:00 |
| mkde | maybe i came into the channel late | 07:00 |
| abelli | 18:56 < mattheweast> abelli, e' andato a vedersi star wars... ;) | 07:02 |
| abelli | May what im trying to tell you be with you. | 07:02 |
| mkde | ahhh | 07:03 |
| mkde | heh | 07:03 |
| mkde | got it now | 07:03 |
| === mkde watches the simpsons | ||
| mkde | this is the best episode | 07:03 |
| jjesse | which episode is it | 07:07 |
| mkde | mr burns gets fined for disposing radioactive waste. "That'll be 3 million dollars" "smithers, my wallet's in my right front pocket. While I'm here, I'll take that statue of justice." "Sold!" | 07:08 |
| jjesse | grin i love that one | 07:08 |
| jjesse | is that latter on that he makes lilttle lisa slury or whatever it is? | 07:09 |
| mkde | not sure, its the monorail one | 07:09 |
| jjesse | the mono rail song is one my favorite simpson songs :) | 07:10 |
| jjesse | besides of course the sanitation man | 07:10 |
| mkde | LD | 07:10 |
| mkde | :D | 07:10 |
| abelli | ciao, im off to something, ciao | 07:11 |
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| mkde | _froud_, wb | 07:18 |
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| jjesse | ? | 08:25 |
| jjesse | hello froud | 08:25 |
| froud | jjesse: hi | 08:26 |
| froud | wat's up | 08:26 |
| jjesse | fixing problems w/ my internet router | 08:26 |
| froud | my router is a linux box, zero to fix :-) | 08:26 |
| froud | I am dead on my feet | 08:27 |
| froud | boy linuxworld was busy today | 08:27 |
| jjesse | well had to restart my router for some reason | 08:27 |
| jjesse | did you have a good time? | 08:27 |
| froud | absolutelym we are having a ball | 08:27 |
| mdke | yo froud | 08:28 |
| froud | yo | 08:28 |
| mdke | i'm struggling with trying to get html converted to .pot | 08:28 |
| froud | ok | 08:28 |
| mdke | have used 4 different converters without success so far | 08:28 |
| froud | ok :-) | 08:28 |
| froud | what html ar eyou converting | 08:29 |
| mdke | is it correct that an xhtml compliant html document should be converted with xml2pot? | 08:29 |
| jjesse | the html in the wiki right mdke? | 08:29 |
| froud | no | 08:29 |
| mdke | froud, the unofficial ubuntu quickguide | 08:29 |
| mdke | froud, damn, seb128 and sladen told me it would work | 08:29 |
| froud | thats xhtml | 08:29 |
| froud | is it strict or transitional xhtml | 08:29 |
| mdke | froud, good question | 08:30 |
| mdke | lemme check | 08:30 |
| mdke | transitional | 08:30 |
| froud | good luck then :-) it will be a bitch | 08:30 |
| mdke | shit | 08:30 |
| froud | why do you want a pot of that | 08:31 |
| mdke | was thinking of trying to get it translated via rosetta rather than by hand | 08:31 |
| mdke | you'll see the thread on the ML | 08:31 |
| froud | yeah would be nice | 08:31 |
| mdke | is there a transitional->strict converter tool? | 08:31 |
| froud | tired have not touch my mail yet | 08:31 |
| froud | no | 08:31 |
| mdke | froud, btw there is a html2pot script written from the xml2pot tool, but it didn't work, i've mailed the maintainer | 08:32 |
| froud | you may try to run tidy on it first | 08:32 |
| froud | then validate the result agianst the strict dtd | 08:32 |
| froud | then fix all problems | 08:32 |
| froud | yes I know html2pot | 08:32 |
| mdke | the html2pot script had a problem with "duplicate message definition" | 08:33 |
| mdke | http://pastebin.ca/12056 | 08:33 |
| mdke | otherwise it was running fine for about 30 seconds | 08:33 |
| froud | :-) invalid against the dtd, the file violaits the rules | 08:34 |
| froud | sort the violations | 08:34 |
| mdke | right, that is because it is transitional? | 08:34 |
| froud | and then it should run | 08:34 |
| froud | hard to say, transitional is very lax | 08:35 |
| froud | your best bet is to get it to strict | 08:35 |
| mdke | hmm | 08:35 |
| mdke | i guess that will be hard huh? | 08:35 |
| froud | then the doc is valid and wellformed against the strict dtd so it is xml | 08:35 |
| froud | it's not an easy process, carries overhead | 08:36 |
| froud | Hmmm I see people playing with all sorts of stuff | 08:36 |
| froud | well I guess they will just have to try it and learn | 08:36 |
| mdke | what about? | 08:36 |
| froud | not being funny now, but the problems are not new | 08:36 |
| mdke | what is it you're talking about? | 08:37 |
| froud | many people, have trie dto solve these problems and none have suceded | 08:37 |
| mdke | you mean the html2pot problems? | 08:37 |
| froud | the best you can hope for is a partial transformation | 08:37 |
| froud | then the restyou must do by hand | 08:37 |
| froud | yes | 08:37 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| froud | and the wiki to xml | 08:38 |
| mdke | ah i'm not involved in that | 08:38 |
| froud | mdke: people dont know but the docbook devel comminity is large | 08:38 |
| mdke | i just thought it would be cool to use rosetta for the ubuntuguide | 08:38 |
| mdke | froud, ok | 08:38 |
| froud | there are many industry experts in that devel team | 08:38 |
| froud | if they dont have solutions, why do we think we can suddenly make them | 08:39 |
| mdke | froud, hey listen, i don't think anything, i was just experimenting to see if it was possible, that's all | 08:39 |
| froud | that is why I say let them try and then learn | 08:39 |
| froud | sure | 08:39 |
| froud | not being personal | 08:39 |
| mdke | hmm | 08:39 |
| mdke | if you think jeff is on a wild goose chase I think you should perhaps say so | 08:40 |
| froud | ubuntuguide needs to be done in svn | 08:40 |
| mdke | froud, that would be cool | 08:40 |
| mdke | froud, but as you say, it needs to be ported by hand | 08:40 |
| froud | but the owner has not commit to working in svn and the src is still closed to us | 08:40 |
| froud | we have the warty version in svn | 08:40 |
| froud | we ported it by hand | 08:41 |
| mdke | froud, i'll speak to him again, but we can't force people to do stuff | 08:41 |
| froud | it would be nice if somebody would update it to hoary | 08:41 |
| froud | no we cant | 08:41 |
| froud | however | 08:41 |
| froud | as I see it | 08:41 |
| froud | if the person does not open the code for easy collaboration, then why would I put energy into helping | 08:42 |
| mdke | ok | 08:42 |
| froud | it is admirable that people are actually trying to create a solution on a doc that is not open source | 08:42 |
| mdke | froud, depends how you define open source ;) | 08:43 |
| froud | says much for the open source community | 08:43 |
| === mdke clicks View -> View Source | ||
| mdke | as i say, it would be nice if he would work with us, but we can't force him | 08:43 |
| froud | sure, you can see it but you cant change it on ubuntuguide.org | 08:44 |
| froud | practicallyevery web site in the world can be seen in src | 08:44 |
| mdke | quite | 08:44 |
| froud | but that does not make it FOSS | 08:44 |
| mdke | i know | 08:44 |
| froud | his use of the license is also wrong | 08:45 |
| mdke | we can only tell him | 08:45 |
| froud | mdke: corey did a very good of of doing that | 08:46 |
| froud | we even got him to checkout the svn stuff | 08:46 |
| froud | anyway, I am dead beat and now off to bed | 08:46 |
| mdke | ok cool | 08:47 |
| jjesse | have a good lseep | 08:47 |
| jjesse | sleep | 08:47 |
| mdke | glad the conference is going well | 08:47 |
| froud | I think the direction is clear, focus on User Guide and the books in svn | 08:47 |
| froud | yes, excellent | 08:47 |
| froud | ok dudes chow | 08:47 |
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| mdke | ciao | 08:47 |
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