[12:12] <mdke> hi Burgundavia 
[12:14] <Burgundavia> salut
[12:19] <mdke> good night all
[12:35] <Kinnison> Hihi burgey!
[02:05] <mpt> Burgundavia: Ok, suggest some unauthenticated crack I should isntall to see this authentication alert (I assume that's the alert you're talking about)
[02:05] <Burgundavia> not that one
[02:05] <mpt> ok, how do I get it
[02:05] <Burgundavia> the settings--repo-->authentication one
[02:06] <Burgundavia> the first one is also too verbose
[02:09] <mpt> I don't even understand what that dialog is for
[02:10] <mpt> though I do know that I can open five copies of it at once, which shouldn't be possible.
[02:11] <Burgundavia> I can't on breezy
[02:12] <Burgundavia> mpt, did you see what I wanted to change the string at the top too?
[02:13] <mpt> Yes, I did, but I still don't understand what the dialog is for.
[02:14] <mpt> *How* does it help me check software integrity?
[02:14] <mpt> What happens if the software isn't integr... um, good?
[02:14] <Burgundavia> verifies that what you have downloaded is from a trusted source
[02:15] <Burgundavia> and hasn't been modified between the trusted source and you
[02:20] <mpt> So how does one acquire such keys?
[02:20] <mpt> I guess the keys for the Hoary repositories were supplied on the Hoary CD
[02:21] <mpt> but how would I get one when adding another repository?
[02:23] <Burgundavia> you need to add them manually :(
[02:26] <mpt> So you'd find them on a Web page or something?
[02:26] <Burgundavia> you find them with the repo
[02:26] <mpt> "with"?
[02:26] <mpt> Where would you find a repository?
[02:26] <Burgundavia> on the webpage that lists the repo
[02:26] <Burgundavia> basically, there is no reason why a user would need to add anything but the backports repo
[02:28] <mpt> ok.
[02:29] <mpt> Results of baz undo -n:
[02:29] <mpt> These files would be source but lack inventory ids (`baz add' perhaps?):
[02:29] <mpt> database/schema/patch-14-09-0.sql
[02:29] <mpt> These explicit ids have no corresponding file:
[02:29] <mpt> database/schema/archive/.arch-ids/patch-14-09-0.sql.id
[02:30] <mpt> whoops, wrong channel
[02:30] <Burgundavia> ok then, was wondering what happened
[02:32] <mpt> heh
[02:43] <mpt> but you can't add a repository other than the three in the menu anyway!
[02:44] <mpt> so why does that dialog exist?
[02:44] <Burgundavia> say again?
[02:46] <mpt> When I click "Add", I get a dialog containing an option menu with only three choices
[02:47] <mpt> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog", Ubuntu 5.04 Security Updates, and Ubuntu 5.04 Updates.
[02:47] <mpt> So I can't add any other repositories.
[02:51] <mpt> Burgundavia: I was going to suggest: "If you use other repositories, you should add their public keys here, so Synaptic can ensure software it downloads from them hasn't been tampered with."
[02:51] <mpt> But if you can't add other repositories in the first place, there's not much point :-)
[02:54] <mpt> yay, and now a few of the disappearing windows are behind all my other windows and won't come to the front, the Repositories dialog refuses to close
[03:00] <Burgundavia> mpt, you can, but you shouldn't
[03:01] <Burgundavia> you can also add custom
[03:01] <Burgundavia> bascially, that dialog needs to be reworked
[03:01] <mpt> Oh, I didn't see that, because "Custom" didn't end in "..."
[03:02] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:24] <jsgotangco> gyaahhh community council meeting is 6am in my time
[08:45] <mdke> morning all
[08:46] <mdke> CarlK, suggestions for documentation?
[08:46] <mdke> jsgotangco, you'll have to get up early :p
[08:53] <mdke> CarlK, suggestions for documentation are not too late, you can post them to the docteam list ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com
[08:54] <mdke> have a nice day all, i'm off to school
[09:43] <jsgotangco> helllooo docbook junkies!
[10:19] <Burgundavia> salut all
[10:24] <Burgundavia> mpt, ping
[10:26] <mpt> pong
[10:26] <mpt> @#$%! gtk focus model
[10:26] <Burgundavia> mpt, check your inbox
[10:26] <Burgundavia> didn't think you were going to be up, so I emailed you a link
[10:28] <mpt> awwwww
[10:29] <mpt> WordPress 1.2! That person needs to install security updates, stat
[10:35] <mpt> thanks for the link
[10:37] <Burgundavia> np, I like to filter news to people who need it
[10:37] <Burgundavia> as I am a news junkie
[10:40] <jsgotangco> what the
[10:40] <jsgotangco> http://www.sakakibara-kikai.co.jp/
[10:40] <jsgotangco> jeezz
[10:40] <jsgotangco> real life mech warrior
[10:41] <jsgotangco> http://www.wordpress.tokyotimes.org/index.php?p=545
[10:46] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, hate to burst your bubble, but it doesn't actually walk
[10:46] <jsgotangco> heh who cares its got rubber bullets
[10:49] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:53] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, http://www.dailygame.net/news/archives/004062.php
[10:59] <Burgundavia> salut Kinnison
[10:59] <Kinnison> hi burgey
[11:00] <Burgundavia> oh, is early there
[11:00] <Burgundavia> I thought it was rather late, then I looked at the clock
[11:03] <Kinnison> s'not early
[11:03] <Kinnison> 'tis 10am and I've been going for a while now
[11:04] <Burgundavia> tis sam and I've been going for a while now 
[11:04] <Burgundavia> tis 2am and I've been going for a while now 
[11:05] <Kinnison> Aye, but you're a freak :-) (of the nicest kind)
[11:05] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:05] <Burgundavia> and unemployed
[11:06] <Burgundavia> wow 
[11:06] <Burgundavia> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4555373.stm
[11:07] <Burgundavia> and what did you partner say to that?
[11:08] <Burgundavia> ick! ads on your mobile http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4556833.stm
[11:08] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: erm, well when he came to bed he said "Find a stopping place" and conveniently I was one paragraph away from a chapter boundary
[11:08] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:13] <BeerDump> gyahh
[11:13] <BeerDump> power failure
[11:13] <BeerDump> its raining so hard here
[11:14] <BeerDump> Burgy, we do have lpg powered vehicles for quite some time
[11:14] <BeerDump> even natural gas
[11:14] <Burgundavia> yes, but mandating it?
[11:14] <Burgundavia> no western country is that bold
[11:14] <Burgundavia> too many soccer moms with their SUV;s
[11:15] <BeerDump> 3G advertisments ewww
[11:15] <Burgundavia> I have never seen a non-gas/diesel vehicle
[11:15] <BeerDump> even electric?
[11:15] <Burgundavia> well, I have seen one electric and several hybrid
[11:15] <Burgundavia> but the former was not a car that somebody owned
[11:16] <BeerDump> some of the bus here are natural gas i think they are going to mandate it
[11:16] <Burgundavia> basically, there are some non gas/diesel, but they are very very few
[11:16] <BeerDump> because we have so much supply of natural gas down south
[11:16] <Burgundavia> BeerDump, where are you?
[11:16] <BeerDump> its me jsgotangco
[11:16] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:16] <BeerDump> we just had a power failure
[11:16] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:17] <BeerDump> its raining hard
[11:17] <Burgundavia> ah, tropical rain
[11:17] <Burgundavia> doesn't rain like that here
[11:17] <BeerDump> i think summer is about to end here
[11:17] <BeerDump> its been so humid lately
[11:17] <BeerDump> and raining hard in the afternoon
[11:18] <BeerDump> the heat i can manage but not the humidty
[11:18] <BeerDump> taking a bath twice a day is still not enough
[12:00] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, creating a deb package isnt that hard
[12:02] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, no it is not, but there are many different ways of configuring an already created one
[12:02] <Burgundavia> I basically ran into a wall and couldn't get past it
[12:02] <Burgundavia> I think I was failing to grasp some simple concept
[12:02] <jsgotangco> ahhh thats true
[12:03] <Burgundavia> thus I make a perfect candidate for tsengs thing, as I know a little big about it, but existing tutorials have failed me
[12:04] <Burgundavia> once I figue it out, basically I want to crank out packages with .desktop files
[12:04] <jsgotangco> PackagingSystemDocumentation?
[12:04] <Burgundavia> no, IntroDeveloperDocs
[12:05] <jsgotangco> ah
[12:05] <Burgundavia> I want a AddingADesktopFile doc
[12:05] <jsgotangco> Unfrgiven is supposed to make a draft
[12:05] <Burgundavia> yes, tseng is going to work on it once mono hits main, from what i understand
[12:05] <jsgotangco> right
[12:21] <jsgotangco> ok bye bye
[03:26] <mkde> hi all
[03:26] <mkde> jiyuu0, ping?
[03:46] <jiyuu0> mkde, pong
[03:46] <jiyuu0> just read ur mail too
[03:46] <mkde> jiyuu0, hiya, i just sent a second one
[03:46] <jiyuu0> i think it would be best that the new adaption be for breezy guide
[03:47] <jiyuu0> at least others who had translated 60% won't have to start again
[03:47] <mkde> it will be possible to import the translations which have already started
[03:47] <jiyuu0> http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/Rosetta
[03:47] <jiyuu0> is down
[03:48] <mkde> oh yeah
[03:48] <jiyuu0> is that the sample site?
[03:48] <mkde> no its being used to translate all of Ubuntu's programs at the moment, and also some of our documentation
[03:49] <mkde> jiyuu0, sorry i got the link wrong. its http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta
[03:50] <mkde> jiyuu0, its possible that the people currently translating the guide are using .pot files already
[03:50] <mkde> jiyuu0, do you think its worth testing?
[03:50] <jiyuu0> nope... cause i ask em to follow the guide's format
[03:51] <jiyuu0> mkde, i would but don't think have extra time to burn
[03:51] <mkde> jiyuu0, the format would be maintained
[03:51] <jiyuu0> that's why... maybe could test now... and decide whether should port for the next ubuntu guide
[03:52] <mkde> jiyuu0, ok i'll test and we can see how it goes, no pressure
[03:52] <jiyuu0> ok thanks...
[03:52] <jiyuu0> haven slept yet
[03:52] <jiyuu0> since yesterday 
[03:52] <mkde> lol
[03:52] <jiyuu0> and starwars is at 11pm
[03:52] <jiyuu0> noe 10pm
[03:52] <jiyuu0> hehe
[03:52] <jiyuu0> i'm sure i can concentrate or not
[03:53] <mkde> you seeing the first show?
[03:53] <jiyuu0> yub
[03:53] <mkde> awesome
[03:53] <jiyuu0> 3rd row from screen
[03:53] <jiyuu0> ok... gotta take bath then going to cinema... c'ya
[03:53] <mkde> have a great one
[03:54] <jiyuu0> :)
[05:43] <mkde> hi
[05:44] <mkde> anyone ever done an html2pot before?
[05:44] <mkde> i guess it should be similar to xml2pot...
[05:46] <mkde> getting a bunch of weird messages
[06:37] <abelli> jiyuu0: ciao
[06:54] <mattheweast> abelli, e' andato a vedersi star wars... ;)
[06:54] <mattheweast> _froud_, here?
[06:56] <abelli> mako: tanto per parlare italiano .. gli scrivero' una lettera minatoria.
[06:58] <mkde> ?
[06:59] <abelli> mkde: "to" + "send" + "somebody" + "an" + "email" .. 
[07:00] <mkde> but who
[07:00] <mkde> maybe i came into the channel late
[07:02] <abelli> 18:56 < mattheweast> abelli, e' andato a vedersi star wars... ;)
[07:02] <abelli> May what im trying to tell you be with you.
[07:03] <mkde> ahhh
[07:03] <mkde> heh
[07:03] <mkde> got it now
[07:03] <mkde> this is the best episode
[07:07] <jjesse> which episode is it
[07:08] <mkde> mr burns gets fined for disposing radioactive waste. "That'll be 3 million dollars" "smithers, my wallet's in my right front pocket. While I'm here, I'll take that statue of justice." "Sold!"
[07:08] <jjesse> grin i love that one
[07:09] <jjesse> is that latter on that he makes lilttle lisa slury or whatever it is?
[07:09] <mkde> not sure, its the monorail one
[07:10] <jjesse> the mono rail song is one my favorite simpson songs :)
[07:10] <jjesse> besides of course the sanitation man
[07:10] <mkde> LD
[07:10] <mkde> :D
[07:11] <abelli> ciao, im off to something, ciao
[07:18] <mkde> _froud_, wb
[08:25] <jjesse> ?
[08:25] <jjesse> hello froud
[08:26] <froud> jjesse: hi
[08:26] <froud> wat's up
[08:26] <jjesse> fixing problems w/ my internet router
[08:26] <froud> my router is a linux box, zero to fix :-)
[08:27] <froud> I am dead on my feet
[08:27] <froud> boy linuxworld was busy today
[08:27] <jjesse> well had to restart my router for some reason
[08:27] <jjesse> did you have a good time?
[08:27] <froud> absolutelym we are having a ball
[08:28] <mdke> yo froud
[08:28] <froud> yo
[08:28] <mdke> i'm struggling with trying to get html converted to .pot
[08:28] <froud> ok
[08:28] <mdke> have used 4 different converters without success so far
[08:28] <froud> ok :-)
[08:29] <froud> what html ar eyou converting
[08:29] <mdke> is it correct that an xhtml compliant html document should be converted with xml2pot?
[08:29] <jjesse> the html in the wiki right mdke?
[08:29] <froud> no
[08:29] <mdke> froud, the unofficial ubuntu quickguide
[08:29] <mdke> froud, damn, seb128 and sladen told me it would work
[08:29] <froud> thats xhtml
[08:29] <froud> is it strict or transitional xhtml
[08:30] <mdke> froud, good question
[08:30] <mdke> lemme check
[08:30] <mdke> transitional
[08:30] <froud> good luck then :-) it will be a bitch
[08:30] <mdke> shit
[08:31] <froud> why do you want a pot of that
[08:31] <mdke> was thinking of trying to get it translated via rosetta rather than by hand
[08:31] <mdke> you'll see the thread on the ML
[08:31] <froud> yeah would be nice
[08:31] <mdke> is there a transitional->strict converter tool?
[08:31] <froud> tired have not touch my mail yet
[08:31] <froud> no
[08:32] <mdke> froud, btw there is a html2pot script written from the xml2pot tool, but it didn't work, i've mailed the maintainer
[08:32] <froud> you may try to run tidy on it first
[08:32] <froud> then validate the result agianst the strict dtd
[08:32] <froud> then fix all problems
[08:32] <froud> yes I know html2pot
[08:33] <mdke> the html2pot script had a problem with "duplicate message definition"
[08:33] <mdke> http://pastebin.ca/12056
[08:33] <mdke> otherwise it was running fine for about 30 seconds
[08:34] <froud> :-) invalid against the dtd, the file violaits the rules
[08:34] <froud> sort the violations
[08:34] <mdke> right, that is because it is transitional?
[08:34] <froud> and then it should run
[08:35] <froud> hard to say, transitional is very lax
[08:35] <froud> your best bet is to get it to strict 
[08:35] <mdke> hmm
[08:35] <mdke> i guess that will be hard huh?
[08:35] <froud> then the doc is valid and wellformed against the strict dtd so it is xml
[08:36] <froud> it's not an easy process, carries overhead
[08:36] <froud> Hmmm I see people playing with all sorts of stuff
[08:36] <froud> well I guess they will just have to try it and learn
[08:36] <mdke> what about?
[08:36] <froud> not being funny now, but the problems are not new
[08:37] <mdke> what is it you're talking about?
[08:37] <froud> many people, have trie dto solve these problems and none have suceded
[08:37] <mdke> you mean the html2pot problems?
[08:37] <froud> the best you can hope for is a partial transformation
[08:37] <froud> then the restyou must do by hand
[08:37] <froud> yes
[08:38] <froud> and the wiki to xml
[08:38] <mdke> ah i'm not involved in that
[08:38] <froud> mdke: people dont know but the docbook devel comminity is large
[08:38] <mdke> i just thought it would be cool to use rosetta for the ubuntuguide
[08:38] <mdke> froud, ok
[08:38] <froud> there are many industry experts in that devel team
[08:39] <froud> if they dont have solutions, why do we think we can suddenly make them
[08:39] <mdke> froud, hey listen, i don't think anything, i was just experimenting to see if it was possible, that's all
[08:39] <froud> that is why I say let them try and then learn
[08:39] <froud> sure
[08:39] <froud> not being personal 
[08:39] <mdke> hmm
[08:40] <mdke> if you think jeff is on a wild goose chase I think you should perhaps say so
[08:40] <froud> ubuntuguide needs to be done in svn
[08:40] <mdke> froud, that would be cool
[08:40] <mdke> froud, but as you say, it needs to be ported by hand
[08:40] <froud> but the owner has not commit to working in svn and the src is still closed to us
[08:40] <froud> we have the warty version in svn
[08:41] <froud> we ported it by hand
[08:41] <mdke> froud, i'll speak to him again, but we can't force people to do stuff
[08:41] <froud> it would be nice if somebody would update it to hoary
[08:41] <froud> no we cant
[08:41] <froud> however
[08:41] <froud> as I see it
[08:42] <froud> if the person does not open the code for easy collaboration, then why would I put energy into helping
[08:42] <mdke> ok
[08:42] <froud> it is admirable that people are actually trying to create a solution on a doc that is not open source
[08:43] <mdke> froud, depends how you define open source ;)
[08:43] <froud> says much for the open source community
[08:43] <mdke> as i say, it would be nice if he would work with us, but we can't force him
[08:44] <froud> sure, you can see it but you cant change it on ubuntuguide.org
[08:44] <froud> practicallyevery web site in the world can be seen in src
[08:44] <mdke> quite
[08:44] <froud> but that does not make it FOSS
[08:44] <mdke> i know
[08:45] <froud> his use of the license is also wrong
[08:45] <mdke> we can only tell him
[08:46] <froud> mdke: corey did a very good of of doing that
[08:46] <froud> we even got him to checkout the svn stuff
[08:46] <froud> anyway, I am dead beat and now off to bed
[08:47] <mdke> ok cool
[08:47] <jjesse> have a good lseep
[08:47] <jjesse> sleep
[08:47] <mdke> glad the conference is going well
[08:47] <froud> I think the direction is clear, focus on User Guide and the books in svn
[08:47] <froud> yes, excellent
[08:47] <froud> ok dudes chow
[08:47] <mdke> ciao