=== Burgundavia [~corey@24.68.142.99] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:12] hi Burgundavia [12:14] salut [12:19] good night all === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.63.145] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [~troy@adsl-68-91-192-213.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:35] Hihi burgey! === warthylog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://irclog.workaround.org | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by sivang at Sat Jan 1 20:48:30 2005 === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.94.82.238] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-128-37.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-128-37.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:05] Burgundavia: Ok, suggest some unauthenticated crack I should isntall to see this authentication alert (I assume that's the alert you're talking about) [02:05] not that one [02:05] ok, how do I get it [02:05] the settings--repo-->authentication one [02:06] the first one is also too verbose [02:09] I don't even understand what that dialog is for [02:10] though I do know that I can open five copies of it at once, which shouldn't be possible. [02:11] I can't on breezy [02:12] mpt, did you see what I wanted to change the string at the top too? [02:13] Yes, I did, but I still don't understand what the dialog is for. [02:14] *How* does it help me check software integrity? [02:14] What happens if the software isn't integr... um, good? [02:14] verifies that what you have downloaded is from a trusted source [02:15] and hasn't been modified between the trusted source and you [02:20] So how does one acquire such keys? [02:20] I guess the keys for the Hoary repositories were supplied on the Hoary CD [02:21] but how would I get one when adding another repository? [02:23] you need to add them manually :( [02:26] So you'd find them on a Web page or something? [02:26] you find them with the repo [02:26] "with"? [02:26] Where would you find a repository? [02:26] on the webpage that lists the repo [02:26] basically, there is no reason why a user would need to add anything but the backports repo [02:28] ok. [02:29] Results of baz undo -n: [02:29] These files would be source but lack inventory ids (`baz add' perhaps?): [02:29] database/schema/patch-14-09-0.sql [02:29] These explicit ids have no corresponding file: [02:29] database/schema/archive/.arch-ids/patch-14-09-0.sql.id [02:30] whoops, wrong channel [02:30] ok then, was wondering what happened [02:32] heh [02:43] but you can't add a repository other than the three in the menu anyway! [02:44] so why does that dialog exist? [02:44] say again? [02:46] When I click "Add", I get a dialog containing an option menu with only three choices [02:47] Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog", Ubuntu 5.04 Security Updates, and Ubuntu 5.04 Updates. === mpt wishes Synaptic dialogs wouldn't keep disappearing every time he switches to another window [02:47] So I can't add any other repositories. [02:51] Burgundavia: I was going to suggest: "If you use other repositories, you should add their public keys here, so Synaptic can ensure software it downloads from them hasn't been tampered with." [02:51] But if you can't add other repositories in the first place, there's not much point :-) [02:54] yay, and now a few of the disappearing windows are behind all my other windows and won't come to the front, the Repositories dialog refuses to close [03:00] mpt, you can, but you shouldn't [03:01] you can also add custom [03:01] bascially, that dialog needs to be reworked [03:01] Oh, I didn't see that, because "Custom" didn't end in "..." [03:02] yes === warthylog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://irclog.workaround.org | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by sivang at Sat Jan 1 20:48:30 2005 === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-106.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:24] gyaahhh community council meeting is 6am in my time === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.245.78] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jiyuu0|work [~jiyuu0@219.95.244.152] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:45] morning all [08:46] CarlK, suggestions for documentation? [08:46] jsgotangco, you'll have to get up early :p [08:53] CarlK, suggestions for documentation are not too late, you can post them to the docteam list ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com [08:54] have a nice day all, i'm off to school === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:43] helllooo docbook junkies! [10:19] salut all [10:24] mpt, ping [10:26] pong [10:26] @#$%! gtk focus model [10:26] mpt, check your inbox [10:26] didn't think you were going to be up, so I emailed you a link [10:28] awwwww [10:29] WordPress 1.2! That person needs to install security updates, stat [10:35] thanks for the link [10:37] np, I like to filter news to people who need it [10:37] as I am a news junkie [10:40] what the [10:40] http://www.sakakibara-kikai.co.jp/ [10:40] jeezz [10:40] real life mech warrior [10:41] http://www.wordpress.tokyotimes.org/index.php?p=545 [10:46] jsgotangco, hate to burst your bubble, but it doesn't actually walk [10:46] heh who cares its got rubber bullets [10:49] yes === Burgundavia sighs at the local election results [10:53] jsgotangco, http://www.dailygame.net/news/archives/004062.php === Kinnison yawns and stretches [10:59] salut Kinnison [10:59] hi burgey [11:00] oh, is early there [11:00] I thought it was rather late, then I looked at the clock [11:03] s'not early [11:03] 'tis 10am and I've been going for a while now [11:04] tis sam and I've been going for a while now [11:04] tis 2am and I've been going for a while now [11:05] Aye, but you're a freak :-) (of the nicest kind) [11:05] yes [11:05] and unemployed [11:06] wow [11:06] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4555373.stm === Kinnison was awake at 2am also, but that's 'cos I was in bed reading a book [11:07] and what did you partner say to that? [11:08] ick! ads on your mobile http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4556833.stm [11:08] Burgundavia: erm, well when he came to bed he said "Find a stopping place" and conveniently I was one paragraph away from a chapter boundary [11:08] ah === BeerDump [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:13] gyahh [11:13] power failure [11:13] its raining so hard here [11:14] Burgy, we do have lpg powered vehicles for quite some time [11:14] even natural gas [11:14] yes, but mandating it? [11:14] no western country is that bold [11:14] too many soccer moms with their SUV;s === Kinnison 's main issue with LPG is it makes the vehicle sound like a bus [11:15] 3G advertisments ewww === BeerDump is tired of sms spam as well [11:15] I have never seen a non-gas/diesel vehicle [11:15] even electric? [11:15] well, I have seen one electric and several hybrid [11:15] but the former was not a car that somebody owned [11:16] some of the bus here are natural gas i think they are going to mandate it [11:16] basically, there are some non gas/diesel, but they are very very few [11:16] because we have so much supply of natural gas down south [11:16] BeerDump, where are you? [11:16] its me jsgotangco [11:16] ah [11:16] we just had a power failure [11:16] ok [11:17] its raining hard [11:17] ah, tropical rain [11:17] doesn't rain like that here [11:17] i think summer is about to end here [11:17] its been so humid lately [11:17] and raining hard in the afternoon [11:18] the heat i can manage but not the humidty [11:18] taking a bath twice a day is still not enough [12:00] Burgundavia, creating a deb package isnt that hard [12:02] jsgotangco, no it is not, but there are many different ways of configuring an already created one [12:02] I basically ran into a wall and couldn't get past it [12:02] I think I was failing to grasp some simple concept [12:02] ahhh thats true [12:03] thus I make a perfect candidate for tsengs thing, as I know a little big about it, but existing tutorials have failed me [12:04] once I figue it out, basically I want to crank out packages with .desktop files [12:04] PackagingSystemDocumentation? [12:04] no, IntroDeveloperDocs [12:05] ah [12:05] I want a AddingADesktopFile doc [12:05] Unfrgiven is supposed to make a draft [12:05] yes, tseng is going to work on it once mono hits main, from what i understand [12:05] right [12:21] ok bye bye === |zzzzz [~|zzzzz@ppp2B95.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mkde [~Matt_@217.150.124.162] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:26] hi all [03:26] jiyuu0, ping? === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-106.dsl.clear.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [03:46] mkde, pong [03:46] just read ur mail too [03:46] jiyuu0, hiya, i just sent a second one [03:46] i think it would be best that the new adaption be for breezy guide === jiyuu0 checkin [03:47] at least others who had translated 60% won't have to start again [03:47] it will be possible to import the translations which have already started [03:47] http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/Rosetta [03:47] is down [03:48] oh yeah [03:48] is that the sample site? [03:48] no its being used to translate all of Ubuntu's programs at the moment, and also some of our documentation [03:49] jiyuu0, sorry i got the link wrong. its http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta [03:50] jiyuu0, its possible that the people currently translating the guide are using .pot files already [03:50] jiyuu0, do you think its worth testing? [03:50] nope... cause i ask em to follow the guide's format [03:51] mkde, i would but don't think have extra time to burn [03:51] jiyuu0, the format would be maintained [03:51] that's why... maybe could test now... and decide whether should port for the next ubuntu guide [03:52] jiyuu0, ok i'll test and we can see how it goes, no pressure [03:52] ok thanks... [03:52] haven slept yet [03:52] since yesterday [03:52] lol [03:52] and starwars is at 11pm [03:52] noe 10pm [03:52] hehe [03:52] i'm sure i can concentrate or not [03:53] you seeing the first show? [03:53] yub [03:53] awesome [03:53] 3rd row from screen [03:53] ok... gotta take bath then going to cinema... c'ya [03:53] have a great one [03:54] :) === abelli [~john@01d6be9dd18c1536.session.tor] has joined #ubuntu-doc === |zzzzz [~opera@ppp2B95.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mkde [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:43] hi [05:44] anyone ever done an html2pot before? [05:44] i guess it should be similar to xml2pot... [05:46] getting a bunch of weird messages === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === abelli [[U2FsdGVkX@02b29f901a0d6b03.session.tor] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.211.190] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:37] jiyuu0: ciao [06:54] abelli, e' andato a vedersi star wars... ;) [06:54] _froud_, here? [06:56] mako: tanto per parlare italiano .. gli scrivero' una lettera minatoria. [06:58] ? [06:59] mkde: "to" + "send" + "somebody" + "an" + "email" .. [07:00] but who [07:00] maybe i came into the channel late [07:02] 18:56 < mattheweast> abelli, e' andato a vedersi star wars... ;) [07:02] May what im trying to tell you be with you. [07:03] ahhh [07:03] heh [07:03] got it now === mkde watches the simpsons [07:03] this is the best episode [07:07] which episode is it [07:08] mr burns gets fined for disposing radioactive waste. "That'll be 3 million dollars" "smithers, my wallet's in my right front pocket. While I'm here, I'll take that statue of justice." "Sold!" [07:08] grin i love that one [07:09] is that latter on that he makes lilttle lisa slury or whatever it is? [07:09] not sure, its the monorail one [07:10] the mono rail song is one my favorite simpson songs :) [07:10] besides of course the sanitation man [07:10] LD [07:10] :D [07:11] ciao, im off to something, ciao === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-128-37.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:18] _froud_, wb === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.94.80.229] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ is now known as froud [08:25] ? [08:25] hello froud [08:26] jjesse: hi [08:26] wat's up [08:26] fixing problems w/ my internet router [08:26] my router is a linux box, zero to fix :-) [08:27] I am dead on my feet [08:27] boy linuxworld was busy today [08:27] well had to restart my router for some reason [08:27] did you have a good time? [08:27] absolutelym we are having a ball [08:28] yo froud [08:28] yo [08:28] i'm struggling with trying to get html converted to .pot [08:28] ok [08:28] have used 4 different converters without success so far [08:28] ok :-) [08:29] what html ar eyou converting [08:29] is it correct that an xhtml compliant html document should be converted with xml2pot? [08:29] the html in the wiki right mdke? [08:29] no [08:29] froud, the unofficial ubuntu quickguide [08:29] froud, damn, seb128 and sladen told me it would work [08:29] thats xhtml [08:29] is it strict or transitional xhtml [08:30] froud, good question [08:30] lemme check [08:30] transitional [08:30] good luck then :-) it will be a bitch [08:30] shit [08:31] why do you want a pot of that [08:31] was thinking of trying to get it translated via rosetta rather than by hand [08:31] you'll see the thread on the ML [08:31] yeah would be nice [08:31] is there a transitional->strict converter tool? [08:31] tired have not touch my mail yet [08:31] no [08:32] froud, btw there is a html2pot script written from the xml2pot tool, but it didn't work, i've mailed the maintainer [08:32] you may try to run tidy on it first [08:32] then validate the result agianst the strict dtd [08:32] then fix all problems [08:32] yes I know html2pot [08:33] the html2pot script had a problem with "duplicate message definition" [08:33] http://pastebin.ca/12056 [08:33] otherwise it was running fine for about 30 seconds [08:34] :-) invalid against the dtd, the file violaits the rules [08:34] sort the violations [08:34] right, that is because it is transitional? [08:34] and then it should run [08:35] hard to say, transitional is very lax [08:35] your best bet is to get it to strict [08:35] hmm [08:35] i guess that will be hard huh? [08:35] then the doc is valid and wellformed against the strict dtd so it is xml [08:36] it's not an easy process, carries overhead [08:36] Hmmm I see people playing with all sorts of stuff [08:36] well I guess they will just have to try it and learn [08:36] what about? [08:36] not being funny now, but the problems are not new [08:37] what is it you're talking about? [08:37] many people, have trie dto solve these problems and none have suceded [08:37] you mean the html2pot problems? [08:37] the best you can hope for is a partial transformation [08:37] then the restyou must do by hand [08:37] yes === mdke nods [08:38] and the wiki to xml [08:38] ah i'm not involved in that [08:38] mdke: people dont know but the docbook devel comminity is large [08:38] i just thought it would be cool to use rosetta for the ubuntuguide [08:38] froud, ok [08:38] there are many industry experts in that devel team [08:39] if they dont have solutions, why do we think we can suddenly make them [08:39] froud, hey listen, i don't think anything, i was just experimenting to see if it was possible, that's all [08:39] that is why I say let them try and then learn [08:39] sure [08:39] not being personal [08:39] hmm [08:40] if you think jeff is on a wild goose chase I think you should perhaps say so [08:40] ubuntuguide needs to be done in svn [08:40] froud, that would be cool [08:40] froud, but as you say, it needs to be ported by hand [08:40] but the owner has not commit to working in svn and the src is still closed to us [08:40] we have the warty version in svn [08:41] we ported it by hand [08:41] froud, i'll speak to him again, but we can't force people to do stuff [08:41] it would be nice if somebody would update it to hoary [08:41] no we cant [08:41] however [08:41] as I see it [08:42] if the person does not open the code for easy collaboration, then why would I put energy into helping [08:42] ok [08:42] it is admirable that people are actually trying to create a solution on a doc that is not open source [08:43] froud, depends how you define open source ;) [08:43] says much for the open source community === mdke clicks View -> View Source [08:43] as i say, it would be nice if he would work with us, but we can't force him [08:44] sure, you can see it but you cant change it on ubuntuguide.org [08:44] practicallyevery web site in the world can be seen in src [08:44] quite [08:44] but that does not make it FOSS [08:44] i know [08:45] his use of the license is also wrong [08:45] we can only tell him [08:46] mdke: corey did a very good of of doing that [08:46] we even got him to checkout the svn stuff [08:46] anyway, I am dead beat and now off to bed [08:47] ok cool [08:47] have a good lseep [08:47] sleep [08:47] glad the conference is going well [08:47] I think the direction is clear, focus on User Guide and the books in svn [08:47] yes, excellent [08:47] ok dudes chow === froud is now known as froud-away [08:47] ciao === jjesse_ [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.94.80.229] has joined #ubuntu-doc