[12:00] <concept10> xml-blog: yeah
[12:00] <xml-blog> I get nothing after Direct access
[12:00] <xml-blog> shoot, this machine may have other SCSI devices
[12:00] <eyequeue> synd:  yeah, all that did here was put it back on the taskbar, but not propagate to other workspaces :(
[12:00] <eyequeue> synd:  it could be that gnome doesn't have a "dock" like windowmaker?
[12:01] <xml-blog> would that prevent the cam from being loaded properly?
[12:01] <synd> eyequeue, is it "docked on the right or left of the screen, ie when you maximize a program the program doesnt maximize over it?
[12:01] <colera> is there a way to hide the borders of the windows in gnome like there is in kde?
[12:01] <colera> i LOVE that feature
[12:01] <omv0> oh i just realized that i'm backing up everything to an NTFS drive.. there shouldn't be a problem to read the NTFS drive with ubuntu, right?
[12:01] <concept10> xml-blog: I mount that device as /dev/sda1 and 2 (two partitions) I dont know about your situation, i dont see enough info
[12:02] <xml-blog> I just ran mount
[12:02] <xml-blog> with no params
[12:02] <xml-blog> and says usbfs on /proc/bus/usb
[12:02] <eyequeue> synd:  no, i "docked" it, and then maximized xchat, which went over it
[12:02] <xml-blog> maybe in there...
[12:02] <synd> eyequeue, hmm, odd
[12:02] <synd> eyequeue, youre in gnome, right?
[12:03] <eyequeue> synd:  yeah, gnome, which i have set to restart gkrellm (via save current session) in the bottom right of worksapce 4 each time
[12:03] <synd> eyequeue, after you enabled it to "act like a panel", did you restart gkrellm?
[12:03] <xml-blog> sigh. nothing I can use in there
[12:04] <eyequeue> synd:  ahhh, it doens't re-source it's config file except on start?  okay, that's probably it
[12:04] <fga> hi
[12:04] <nobile> hi
[12:04] <k31th> anyone setup asterisk on ubuntu ?
[12:04] <synd> eyequeue, im not sure, but i think mine did the exact same thing and it annoyed me. it wasnt until i rebooted ubuntu entirely (for another reason) that it worked
[12:05] <fga> can anybody tell me the minimal disk space for an installation of Ubuntu 5.04 ?
[12:05] <eyequeue> synd:  okay, restarting it, as a dock, causes maximizing xchat to be *under* gkrellm, weird, heh
[12:06] <synd> eyequeue, wow
[12:06] <transgress> haha my mp3 player came with mp3's already on it... including a public enemy song
[12:06] <bob2> fga: 1.8gb
[12:06] <transgress> how goofy
[12:06] <synd> eyequeue, thats odd. lol
[12:06] <Funraiser> transgress, lol
[12:06] <synd> eye? you sure its docked?
[12:06] <synd> eyequeue, *
[12:06] <fga> thanks bob2 is it reasonable to install it on a 2GB CompactFlash ?
[12:06] <omv0> I can read NTFS drives with ubuntu, right?
[12:06] <hybrid_goth> anyone know why you have to sudo to startx in breezy?
[12:06] <bob2> it will destroy your compact flash pretty quick
[12:07] <bob2> omv0: right
[12:07] <omv0> thanks =)
[12:07] <bob2> hybrid_goth: you shouldn't have to, aka that would be a bug
[12:07] <eyequeue> synd:  yeah, do i need to set "sticky" state, whatever that is?
[12:07] <omv0> formatting and installing ... brb
[12:07] <hybrid_goth> bob2: oh ok
[12:07] <fga> bob2, can you tell me why ?
[12:07] <eyequeue> oh duh, it says right on this screen that it may require a restart, heh, how did i miss that before
[12:07] <Ryuichi> Hi
[12:08] <bob2> fga: running a normal system on flash will cause lots of writes, which wears out the flash quickly...I don't know exactly how long it will last
[12:08] <DPadclear> Is there a page on making a softRAID on install or installing to a softRAID?
[12:08] <bob2> fga: if you put /var and /home somewhere else and make ro, tho, that should be fine
[12:08] <eyequeue> synd:  btw, docking it does make it propagate to all workspaces
[12:08] <xml-blog> concept10, thanks for trying...
[12:08] <synd> eye, nice
[12:08] <xml-blog> any other ideas even a shot in the dark would help....
[12:08] <synd> eyequeue, *
[12:08] <concept10> xml-blog: np - did you have any success?
[12:08] <xml-blog> unfortunately no
[12:08] <Ryuichi> Anyone here use the MAUDIO Delta 44 as a soundcard? I cant get it to work
[12:09] <xml-blog> weird that it doesn't load sda as yours does
[12:09] <Ryuichi> Its recognized but not producing sound.
[12:09] <xml-blog> it just stops
[12:09] <xml-blog> after Direct Access line
[12:09] <concept10> what kind of camera?
[12:09] <synd> eyequeue, i have it docked to the left, and it moves my Computer, Home and Trash folders over
[12:10] <synd> eyequeue, like in this screenshot: http://photobucket.com/albums/v43/pmartin245/?action=view&current=Screenshot.png
[12:10] <eyequeue> synd:  i'm not sure how to make maximizing apps not 'violate the sanctity' of the edge of the desktop though
[12:10] <fga> bob2 thanks for this valuable information, i was trying to find out how to make a silent web server
[12:10] <bob2> fga: ah
[12:10] <bob2> fga: perhaps you could mount /var via nfs or such?
[12:10] <bob2> fga: or just not update it very much ;p
[12:10] <concept10> xml-blog: what kind of camera or device is it?
[12:11] <fga> bob2: will have to think a bit more about it... but most of the information will be only read and updated around once a week
[12:11] <eyequeue> synd:  looks good :)  mine is shorter, and in the bottom right corner, just a bit over half the screen height
[12:12] <Ryuichi> Anyone here familar with ALSA I cant get my soundcard to produce sound
[12:12] <mario_ch> que paso
[12:12] <xml-blog> concept10: it is a Gateway T50 4.0 MegaPixel camera connected via usb
[12:12] <goldfish> http://fun.sdinet.de/pics/unix-geek.jpg
[12:12] <mario_ch> sandy estas en el irc
[12:12] <mario_ch> ?
[12:12] <nobile> mario_ch, sandy no esta aqu
[12:13] <Orbibal`-> Hello all
[12:13] <mario_ch> gracias
[12:13] <Orbibal`-> some1 here who can help a noob?
[12:13] <mario_ch> nobile
[12:14] <Orbibal`-> i prefer dutch speaking people,plz pm me
[12:14] <Orbibal`-> thx
[12:14] <nobile> mario_ch ?
[12:14] <synd> eyequeue, i figured since i was gonna have it acting as a panel, to not waste the space above it. so i made the individual graphs bigger to fill the entire thing
[12:14] <nobile> no hay problema =)
[12:14] <nalioth> howdy y'all
[12:14] <xml-blog> funny, following the tail in messages, it shows USB disconnect, address 6 when I power it off and now if I turn it back on I'll get connected to scsi7.
[12:15] <goldfish> hey
[12:15] <fabio_85> hello all
[12:15] <nalioth> nobile, how many languages do you speak?
[12:15] <nobile> 2
[12:15] <synd> hi nalioth
[12:15] <nobile> spanish and english
[12:15] <nalioth> howdy synd
[12:15] <fabio_85> nalioth, same here :)
[12:15] <nalioth> nobile: muy bien!
[12:15] <nobile> much better in spanish than english thought =P
[12:15] <fabio_85> italian and english here!
[12:15] <nobile> -t
[12:15] <synd> arabic here : )
[12:15] <nalioth> fabio_85: bueno!
[12:15] <synd> marhaban
[12:16] <nalioth> synd, i don't speak arabic
[12:16] <fabio_85> nalioth, sorry that's spanish
[12:16] <fabio_85> :)
[12:16] <nobile> haha
[12:16] <nobile> bono!
[12:16] <nobile> or hmm
[12:16] <nalioth> i do speak german, some french, spanish and english (i drive a taxicab)
[12:16] <fabio_85> buono! :)
[12:16] <nobile> almost!
[12:16] <nobile> =P
[12:16] <fabio_85> yep
[12:16] <synd> nalioth, taxicab? where?
[12:16] <fabio_85> :)
[12:16] <fabio_85> but I live in UK
[12:16] <nalioth> fabio_85: the italians looked at me like i crawled out of the back country when i was there
[12:17] <nalioth> Houston, Tx. driving a cab 3 years now
[12:17] <fabio_85> nalioth, I may ask where have u been? Where u come from though?
[12:17] <synd> ah houston, home of my favorite style of rap :D
[12:18] <fabio_85> ahah
[12:18] <nalioth> fabio_85: (and others) i was in the army and lived in germany for 6 years, when in germany, i got around to the other european countrys often
[12:18] <fabio_85> nalioth, I see
[12:18] <nobile> cool
[12:18] <Seveas> nalioth, seedorf?
[12:18] <AgentJay> hello everyone
[12:18] <nalioth> Seveas: what?
[12:19] <xml-blog> concept10, I forgot the hard disk on this system IS SCSI also. This machine has an Adaptec AIC7902 Ultra 220 ScSI adapter. is that any help?
[12:19] <MasterYoda> what is breezy's full name
[12:19] <Seveas> nalioth, that's a base in germany, was wondering if you were stationed there :)
[12:19] <AgentJay> the breezy badger
[12:19] <synd> MasterYoda, breezy badger
[12:19] <nalioth> MasterYoda: breezy badger
[12:19] <nmorse> Breezy Badger
[12:19] <concept10> xml-blog: yes, try sda2-5
[12:19] <synd> i won : D
[12:19] <nalioth> Seveas: was stationed near Nurenburg
[12:19] <hybrid_goth> 5.10 breezy badger
[12:19] <AndyR> echo in here? :)
[12:19] <nmorse> I still don't have sound. Crap.
[12:19] <MasterYoda> ahh ok
[12:20] <Seveas> Breezy Badger
[12:20] <Seveas> (that was a delayed echo)
[12:20] <nalioth> 512mb geforce 4 video card announced
[12:20] <synd> damnit i have a hang nail on my pinky toe and its killing me
[12:20] <nalioth> what in the blue blazes do you do with that?
[12:20] <nmorse> Does anyone else have an ali5451 sound card?
[12:20] <synd> nalioth, CAD, i suppose
[12:21] <nmorse> anyone at all?
[12:21] <nalioth> synd: you are gonna run linux-on-a-gpu?
[12:21] <concept10> xml-blog: have you tried looking into the /media directory?
[12:22] <lotusleaf> nmorse, ok ben stein ;P
[12:22] <xml-blog> yes
[12:22] <synd> nalioth, say what?
[12:22] <xml-blog> the /media has floppy and cdrom
[12:23] <xml-blog> the /mnt has nothing
[12:23] <nalioth> synd: i dont see the video card arrangement helping cad (unless you are running linux-on-a-gpu)
[12:23] <xml-blog> and /dev .... has nothing that makes sense for this device
[12:23] <AndyR> xml-blog, thats normal
[12:23] <AgentJay> anyone using kubuntu?
[12:24] <AndyR> AgentJay, try #kubuntu :)
[12:24] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: are they just letting anyone in here now?
[12:24] <xml-blog> perhaps /hdc ??? it's a shot in the dark but I only have one hard disk and it's on SCSI ...
[12:24] <AgentJay> oh sorry, I am new at this, thanks
[12:24] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: i slipped in thru the bathroom window
[12:24] <Seveas> xml-blog, scsi disks are /dev/sd*
[12:24] <AndyR> xml-blog, /dev/sda1?
[12:25] <xml-blog> funny, but I have /dev/hda
[12:25] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: ah
[12:25] <xml-blog> funny, but I have /dev/hda /dev/hda1..2, 5, c
[12:26] <xml-blog> no /dev/sd*
[12:26] <AgentJay> no one is in kubutu
[12:26] <xml-blog> dmesg | grep -i "scsi"
[12:26] <xml-blog> shows the adaptec SCSI adapter
[12:26] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[12:27] <FX|Laptop> Hey I'm tryhing to compile tun into my kernel but I keep getting an error.
[12:27] <nalioth> AgentJay: ask us
[12:27] <AgentJay> was wondering how to use synaptic
[12:27] <FX|Laptop> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `init/main.o', needed by `init/built-in.o'.  Stop.
[12:28] <AgentJay> It is similar to apt-get?
[12:28] <xml-blog> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/eEOqDI47.html
[12:28] <transgress> AgentJay: it's a gui for apt
[12:28] <thingfish> AgentJay: open it as root, click on Search, enter what you're looking for.
[12:28] <Xik0> how can i remove apache2 from ubuntu?
[12:28] <AgentJay> so is easier to the noob (read me)
[12:28] <FX|Laptop> sudo apt-get remove apache2
[12:29] <thingfish> AgentJay: oh yes, very newb-friendly.
[12:29] <AgentJay> thanks I will try it out
[12:29] <xml-blog> and here is mount output
[12:29] <xml-blog> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/YL7iC481.html
[12:29] <Xik0> FX|Laptop i do that, but it's still there
[12:29] <thingfish> Synaptic is like a piece of the best cheesecake you ever ate.
[12:29] <FX|Laptop> have you tried in Synaptic Xik0 ?
[12:30] <abaron> I did a dist-upgrade to breezy, it seems that I'm now missing files, a number of them (such as dpkg, start-stop-damon, install-info and dpkg-split so far) did we have any solutions?
[12:30] <Xik0> FX|Laptop nop, just in the terminal
[12:30] <xml-blog> and lastly, lsusb output http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/k2zfvh59.html
[12:30] <htaccess_> is there any application like the kde klipper for ubuntu, i would perfer to use ubuntu rather than kubantu but cut n paste is so useless compared to kde.
[12:30] <FX|Laptop> try synaptic once Xik0. do a search and remove anything that deals with apache2
[12:31] <FX|Laptop> so does anyone have an answer for my question? lol
[12:31] <xml-blog> the "7" in Device 007 in lsusb matches the "7" in dmesg output scsi7 but I can't make heads or tails of the device to map to the mount point
[12:31] <ewhitten> htaccess_:  if you're just looking for a clipboard that doesn't clear when you close the containing app, look for gnome-clipboard-daemon
[12:31] <xml-blog> also odd that it didn't auto-mount
[12:31] <ewhitten> I haven't used it in awhile, but I liked it.
[12:32] <htaccess_> ewhitten, does it have an accociated applet for the pannel where i can access the history?
[12:32] <flodine> is there a repository for fluxbox  that i can use for ubuntu
[12:32] <xml-blog> anyone know if the Bus 002 mentioned in lsusb output can be a clue as to what /dev/* to use?
[12:32] <ewhitten> no, nothing that fancy that I remember.  It was just a daemon running in the background.  good clipboard behavior is something being worked on by freedesktop, I think
[12:33] <ewhitten> although, it wouldn't be too hard to write.
[12:33] <FX|Laptop> gotta go out and finish the lawn.
[12:33] <abaron> xml-blog: your dmesg output should give you that information if you uplug it the device and plug it back in (sorry if this was already covered)
[12:35] <xml-blog> abaron: thanks. it shows only scsi7 but no sda or sdb or sdc
[12:35] <lotusleaf> buy a goat : never mow the lawn ever again ;)
[12:52] <Sturmflut> re
[12:53] <MarcC> okay, here it is http://www.friendlyskies.net/screen-gtk.jpg
[12:54] <mince> hello
[12:54] <MarcC> hi mince
[12:54] <lotusleaf> hello
[12:54] <mince> i got GRUB error 17 after installing ubuntu 5.4
[12:54] <mince> what is that?
[12:54] <foxiness> Latest Update of Firefox Now Available  " You must upgrade to version 1.0.4 or newer of Firefox before accessing the Mozilla Update web service." from www.mozilla.org ?!
[12:55] <Sean22190> I have that :)
[12:55] <Sean22190> They are comming out with too many updates.
[12:55] <nalioth> foxiness: cheat with a text editor
[12:55] <mince> what is GRUB error 17?
[12:55] <SatanCow> is there anyone available to give me a bit of help? I am getting an error that dose not make sense to me
[12:55] <MarcC> mince, sorry, no idea
[12:56] <Sean22190> I'll google it for you.
[12:56] <foxiness> Sean22190, is yours from tar or dep ?
[12:56] <MarcC> SatanCow, go ahead
[12:56] <SatanCow> it says "I've detected a panel already running, and will now exit.
[12:56] <Sean22190> Error 17 indicates GRUB can't id the partition typ
[12:56] <SatanCow> but that's all it says and there's no extra info
[12:56] <foxiness> SatanCow, bugs on Gnome :)
[12:56] <Blissex> SatanCow: I suggest reading this: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html as to asking better questions.
[12:57] <mince> Sean22190: whats the solve?
[12:57] <St0n3-C0l> do anyone having probs with xchat 2.4.3 ?
[12:57] <kaniche> I did a litle google search i found this mince... it might help you: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-122656.html
[12:57] <St0n3-C0l> after pressing Connect button..xchat closes automatically!
[12:58] <mince> kaniche: thanks
[12:58] <nalioth> St0n3-C0l: thats not automatic, thats a problem
[12:58] <Sean22190> brb
[12:58] <St0n3-C0l> nalioth: Any solution of this problem ?
[12:58] <lotusleaf> StoneTable, from Ars? :)
[12:59] <StoneTable> yes :)
[12:59] <SatanCow> I have a few quick questions too, what is Breezy so i don't use it, and is there something that shows running background processes like CTRL+ALT+DEL in windows?
[12:59] <kaniche> 10% done for my live cd yes!!!
[12:59] <nalioth> St0n3-C0l: we need more information from you
[12:59] <lotusleaf> StoneTable, awesome, a famous person. =)
[12:59] <nalioth> SatanCow: do you know the terminal?
[12:59] <StoneTable> hah, hardly, but thanks :)
[12:59] <St0n3-C0l> SatanCow: Next Release of Ubuntu and yes, ps x in command-line
[12:59] <SatanCow> yup
[12:59] <lotusleaf> StoneTable, heheh. ;)
[12:59] <St0n3-C0l> type ps x
[01:00] <SatanCow> ahh ok
[01:00] <St0n3-C0l> nalioth: what type of info :P
[01:00] <nalioth> then what St0n3-C0l said or "top"
[01:00] <SatanCow> so that has something like a process manager in it?
[01:00] <SatanCow> or well is something like a process manager?
[01:00] <nalioth> St0n3-C0l: what you are running, what you are trying to do, etc
[01:00] <Janux> Hello all, I have a question, if I want to mount a windows partition, do I need to specify GID/UID?
[01:00] <timmow> satancow: applications => system => system monitor
[01:00] <nalioth> SatanCow: both answers are like a process mangler
[01:00] <SatanCow> ok thank you very much
[01:01] <St0n3-C0l> timmow: lol u showed him the easy way :P
[01:01] <Tallia1>  EHEH
[01:01] <SatanCow> that makes a big difference
[01:01] <SatanCow> thanks everyone
[01:01] <St0n3-C0l> nalioth: What people try to do running Xchat ?
[01:02] <timmow> yea its nice to know , even if you don't want to use it
[01:02] <foxiness> Janux, im mount windows 100 and i dont know what is gid/uid
[01:02] <_nate> format windows
[01:02] <_nate> now
[01:02] <_nate> you must
[01:02] <Janux> foxiness, what do you mean?
[01:02] <_nate> it is infecting your freedomness!
[01:02] <_nate> kill it NOW!
[01:02] <Janux> foxiness, I want to mout a windows drive, so do I just provide the filesystem type and that's it?
[01:03] <foxiness> Janux, mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ,99% that is all for me
[01:04] <timmow> janux: if you specify uid/gid other users can use the drive, who have not mounted it
[01:04] <lotusleaf> every time a Windows partition is formatted, a penguin gets his wings
[01:04] <foxiness> Janux, if u do mount it will do it for u auto i think maybe -t fat32 or ntfs if u wnat it by hand
[01:04] <Janux> timmow, but I cannot see the mounted drive in OOo and when I check the permission of /mnt/windows, it is 500
[01:05] <timmow> yea have you mounted it with sudo?
[01:05] <Janux> timmow, yes
[01:06] <nalioth> brb work
[01:07] <foxiness> from time to time i see this msg on synaptic if i do update on GUI "W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[01:07] <foxiness> "
[01:07] <timmow> If you try to access it as a normal user, you are not allowed because root mounted it
[01:07] <timmow> I think the simplest thing to do is add a line to /etc/fstab
[01:08] <mcsf> hi. does anyone know how to restore my sound settings back to what they were the first time ubuntu ran? i'm using hoary. is there anyway to make ubuntu re-detect the hardware or something?
[01:08] <timmow> such as: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat rw,user,noauto
[01:09] <`crimsun> mcsf, what happened, and what are the current symptoms?
[01:09] <foxiness> or do chown -R $USER /TO/PATH
[01:09] <mjr> mcsf, it basically detects the sound hardware at each boot, so you'll have to be more spesific
[01:10] <foxiness> but i think timmow has the best one
[01:10] <mcsf> crimsun: after following some howtos related to skype, i now hear everything as if i'm using 0.50$ headphones
[01:10] <mcsf> crimsun: it's kinda hard to explain
[01:10] <Janux> timmow, user represents all users?
[01:10] <alvaro_> where can I find cadega for ubuntu?
[01:10] <alvaro_> cedega
[01:10] <foxiness> alvaro_, its not free :)
[01:11] <timmow> user lets a user mount the drive themselves by typing mount /dev/hda1
[01:11] <CarlK> mcsf - ditch skype, use kphone, linphone or  sjPhone from sjlabs.com
[01:11] <timmow> without the sudo
[01:11] <mcsf> carlk: that won't solve the problem, will it? ;)
[01:11] <CarlK> mcsf - it might - and if not you stand a better chance
[01:12] <CarlK> I hear skype doesn't do sound "right"
[01:12] <mcsf> mjr: where can i find any logs of details about the sound?
[01:12] <mcsf> carlk: i only use skype 'cause i used with windows
[01:13] <mcsf> mjr: or*
[01:13] <Matthew_I> is fglrx 8.12.10 in breezy yet?
[01:13] <CarlK> mcsf - there is sjphone for win - plenty of others that will work with any SIP based phone
[01:14] <mcsf> i see. i'll give it a go then
[01:15] <CarlK> mcsf -here is a list: http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Open%20Source%20VOIP%20Software
[01:15] <lotusleaf> mcsf, see the skype forum, in the linux section there's a few sticky threads you should read (esp the sound faq)
[01:15] <lotusleaf> mcsf, most of the problems I've read about were with ALSA but there's workaround(s)
[01:15] <mcsf> lotusleaf: those are exactly the stickies that got me into this :)
[01:16] <mcsf> but yeah, i'll read them over again. at least i've got nothing to lose
[01:17] <abaron> how do I downgrade my distro? (from breezy to hoary) I've already edited my sources.list..
[01:17] <CarlK> mcsf - na, you are just going to get adicted to skype - best to break the habbit now ;)
[01:17] <lotusleaf> mcsf, hmm.. unfortunate. Have you posted about this on ubuntuforums?
[01:17] <mario_ch> Camar vamonos!!!
[01:18] <^^Superkidd2005^> hey guys... what is VOIP
[01:18] <mcsf> Voice Over IP
[01:18] <_nate> voice over IP
[01:18] <abaron> Voice Over IP
[01:18] <xzgv> if i uncomment the 'universe' lines will i be able to install icewm and other stuff?
[01:18] <_nate> talking over the internet
[01:18] <CarlK> Voice Over IP - aka Phone
[01:18] <mcsf> lotusleaf, no, not yet
[01:18] <_nate> instead of on a traditional phone line
[01:18] <ivoks> uhhh
[01:18] <^^Superkidd2005^> WHAT'S the use of that...
[01:19] <mcsf> carlk: oh, i can get addicted to sjphone too, no wories :)
[01:19] <mcsf> lotusleaf: got it ;)
[01:19] <^^Superkidd2005^> WHAT'S the use of that... VOIP
[01:19] <CarlK> ^^Superkidd2005^ http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=VoIP
[01:20] <CarlK> ^^Superkidd2005^ onl if you get the sHIft chars out of your nick
[01:20] <Matthew_I> is fglrx 8.12.10 in breezy yet?
[01:20] <mcsf> it's getting late over here. thanks both of you
[01:20] <mcsf> cya
[01:20] <CarlK> later mcsf
[01:21] <^^Superkidd2005^> ok...
[01:21] <^^Superkidd2005^> i'll try to change
[01:21] <Superkidd2005> it'
[01:21] <CarlK> Superkidd2005 - thanks...
[01:21] <Superkidd2005> it's ok now
[01:21] <CarlK> Superkidd2005 - 2 main things
[01:21] <Superkidd2005> what's the the use of that VOIP
[01:21] <SEBest> hello i'm looking for testers for one of my projet
[01:21] <DeFi> to talk to people...
[01:22] <CarlK> Superkidd2005 - 1) you can make totaly free pone calls to anyone with internet access
[01:22] <Superkidd2005> really???
[01:22] <CarlK> SEBest - pm me
[01:22] <xiaogil> Is it possible to transfer datas from to computer via wifi with ubuntu ?
[01:22] <CarlK> Superkidd2005 - yes.  2) a company can get rid of the phone lines running aroudn the office and either use the LAN wires or even 802.11b
[01:23] <xiaogil> from -> between
[01:23] <xiaogil> to -> two
[01:23] <xiaogil> (sorry)
[01:23] <CarlK> Superkidd2005 - this is a great site http://www.voip-info.org
[01:24] <DeFi> the company i work for  has asterisk VoIP setup...its pretty sweet
[01:24] <Superkidd2005> how could i do that call....
[01:24] <CarlK> Superkidd2005 - get a FWD account (free)
[01:25] <CarlK> Superkidd2005 http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Free+World+Dialup
[01:25] <Superkidd2005> ok..
[01:26] <CarlK> then try to figure out which phone to use ;)
[01:26] <CarlK> ubuntu comes wiht 2: kphone and linphone
[01:26] <Superkidd2005> can i make a call without my telephone....
[01:26] <timmow> how come it is free?
[01:27] <CarlK> install them both, call the "test number" and have fun
[01:27] <CarlK> Superkidd2005 - yes - you use your soundcard/speakers/mike
[01:27] <CarlK> Superkidd2005 - best too get a headset, or at least a mike you can clip on your shirt
[01:28] <netsniper> Anyone have a laptop with TV-Out working?
[01:29] <CarlK> netsniper - it is very vidio card dependant - what laptop?
[01:29] <netsniper> CarlK, HP Pavilion zv5270us
[01:29] <timmow> netsniper: yes i have to dual boot warty and hoary
[01:29] <netsniper> CarlK, it is an nvidia nforce3 or 4 based loaptop -- amd64
[01:30] <netsniper> but i am just running 386 on here, no 64 bit kernel or apps
[01:31] <Superkidd2005> i have all that head set here...
[01:31] <netsniper> timmow, you have nvidia?
[01:31] <Superkidd2005> im trying now to download that SJPHONE....
[01:31] <Superkidd2005> what's that SJPHONE....
[01:31] <CarlK> Superkidd2005 - start with the 2 in ubuntu synaptic
[01:32] <timmow> netsniper: no ati graphics card but hp laptop
[01:32] <Superkidd2005> im not running a LINUX BOX now.. CARLK
[01:32] <Superkidd2005> im just a newbie here in the world of linux...
[01:32] <netsniper> timmow, how did you set it up?
[01:32] <lotusleaf> Will Skype ever be in the ubuntu repos?
[01:32] <netsniper> timmow, send me your config?
[01:32] <netsniper> timmow, or a HOWTO?
[01:33] <CarlK> oh.. sjphone is the only one I have used on windows
[01:33] <timmow> netsniper: one hint, make sure your laptop is powered off before you plug in the cable
[01:33] <netsniper> timmow, why?
[01:33] <timmow> netsniper: do you have an ati graphics card?
[01:33] <punkrockguy318> what device would I use if I wanted to use the esdsink as an input?
[01:33] <netsniper> timmow, in Windows I don't have to
[01:33] <Superkidd2005> hey carlk.... can a UBUNTU run in a 486 COMPUTER...
[01:33] <punkrockguy318> What are the OSS device nodes?
[01:33] <Superkidd2005> that's an old computer... right?
[01:33] <netsniper> netsniper, no nvidia geforce3 go
[01:34] <timmow> netsniper: it just didn't work for me like unless I did that
[01:34] <timmow> netsniper: i have don't know about nvidia, but i think there is a program called nvtv
[01:34] <CarlK> I have a  nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go]  (rev a3) with TV out - I'll try in a bit to get it working
[01:34] <timmow> netsniper: and i think the official drivers support it
[01:35] <yoz> hello
[01:35] <yoz> can anyone help me configuring boot loader (grub)
[01:35] <netsniper> CarlK, i have this "VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go 64M]  (rev a3)"
[01:36] <^thehatsrule^> yoz: the config? use the examples to modify, its the easiest :)
[01:36] <yoz> I want to set windows xp to default
[01:36] <netsniper> timmow, yes but how do I enable it -- in windows i just plug in the cable and it works
[01:36] <toresbe> yoz: Why? :)
[01:37] <toresbe> yoz: it's quite easy, hold on
[01:37] <lotusleaf> netsniper, the same can be said for catheders too but I don't use them all the time
[01:37] <^thehatsrule^> yoz: then change default = #
[01:37] <^thehatsrule^> where # is the order in which you placed windows xp in the menu
[01:37] <timmow> netsniper: because some things in linux are different
[01:37] <toresbe> yoz: do this on a command prompt: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:37] <yoz> title		Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[01:37] <yoz> root		(hd0,0)
[01:37] <yoz> savedefault
[01:37] <yoz> makeactive
[01:37] <yoz> chainloader	+1
[01:37] <netsniper> timmow, i think that it should "just work" ;-P
[01:38] <toresbe> yoz: A) please don't paste into this channel
[01:38] <toresbe> yoz: B) a bit up the file, there's a default = (number)
[01:38] <toresbe> yoz: change that
[01:38] <alfredo> Hi, anyone here has a via82xx soundcard?
[01:38] <yoz> ok. sry
[01:38] <timmow> it may do with nvidia im not sure.  Just letting you know my experience
[01:38] <yoz> change to what?
[01:38] <Superkidd2005> hey carlk...
[01:38] <Superkidd2005> can you give me your telephone number...
[01:38] <^thehatsrule^> heh, never used savedefault ^^
[01:38] <^thehatsrule^> default =
[01:39] <Superkidd2005> i just like to try some call to you.... using SJPHONE
[01:39] <CarlK> Superkidd2005 - hang on... I need to get that box up
[01:39] <timmow> netsniper i spent two weeks fighting with tv out, then had to install warty alongside hoary to get it too work
[01:39] <netsniper> what??!!
[01:40] <yoz> it has default  0
[01:41] <timmow> but maybe i was unlucky
[01:42] <^thehatsrule^> yoz: change it to your windowsxp #....
[01:43] <yoz> writing the title? or a number?
[01:43] <nmorse> How do I edit a wiki to add information on hardware support?
[01:43] <Superkidd2005> hey guys... can UBUNTU run a 486computer????
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> Superkidd2005: simple answer: not really
[01:44] <Superkidd2005> WHY NOT REALLY????
[01:44] <CarlK> Superkidd2005 - it can, you just wont like it
[01:44] <Superkidd2005> OH... i get your point now....
[01:44] <Superkidd2005> bcoz that computer is too slow right?
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:44] <Superkidd2005> hey carlk
[01:44] <Superkidd2005> wheres your number....
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> a 486 is many generations behind current computers
[01:45] <Superkidd2005> i would like to try this SJPHONE...
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> and is worth less than nothing
[01:45] <Superkidd2005> yeah i know...
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> you would have to pay people to take it away
[01:45] <Superkidd2005> hahaha
[01:45] <Superkidd2005> your right...
[01:45] <Superkidd2005> what kind of computer you have how HRDWBOB
[01:45] <yoz> hello?
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> athlon XP2800+, but eh
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> yoz: hello
[01:46] <Superkidd2005> BUT WHAT???
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> Superkidd2005: it's just a computer
[01:46] <timmow> yoz: i think if you change it to saved it will work
[01:46] <Superkidd2005> ah.. ok...
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> I also have a celeron (P3 class) 700 in my laptop
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> which is fine
[01:47] <timmow> yoz: as you have savedefault under the xp entry
[01:47] <Superkidd2005> i think that ATHLON OF YOURS IS MORE FINE... RIGHT?
[01:47] <CarlK> most of my boxes are P2-333, 96 meg, cheap PCI vid - that seems to be just enough
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> CarlK: yeah I wouldn't want to fo far below that
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> CarlK: yeah it does the job
[01:47] <yoz> ah. but all the others have saveddefault as well
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> er Superkidd2005
[01:47] <Superkidd2005> what?
[01:47] <timmow> yoz: actually ignore me
[01:48] <Superkidd2005> hey....
[01:48] <Superkidd2005> ANYBODY CAN GIVE HIS NUMBER...
[01:48] <Superkidd2005> I JUST LIKE TO TRY THIS SJPHONE....
[01:48] <Superkidd2005> CAN I CALL THIS IN A CELLPHONE....
[01:48] <goldfish> em
[01:48] <goldfish> Caps?
[01:48] <CarlK> Superkidd2005 - read /. for a bit.. I am working on something for the next 5 or 10 min....
[01:50] <timmow> yoz: try copying the winxp lines to before the line ###BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
[01:50] <timmow> I think that will work
[01:51] <yoz> alright. I was thinking on doing that
[01:59] <blueyed> When I do "apt-get source <package>" will the additional ubuntu patches get automatically applied?
[02:00] <Superkidd2005> hey mcsf ---  can i try SJPHONE with you....
[02:00] <Burgundavia> blueyed, if it is pulling out of Ubuntu sources, yes
[02:01] <Superkidd2005> ok....
[02:01] <blueyed> Thanks, Burgundavia. I want to build a chroot-enabled sshd.
[02:01] <Superkidd2005> got to go GUYS....
[02:01] <Superkidd2005> thank you CARLK...
[02:02] <jobenjo> Hello. I'm thinking of moving to Ubuntu from OS X, but I'm worried about replacing iPhoto. How well does gThumb handle importing and movie clip thumbnails? Anyone try anything like digiKam or Picasa on Wine? Thanks.
[02:02] <blueyed> digiKam is known to rock, but I have not tried it for myself.
[02:02] <jobenjo> cool
[02:03] <Blissex> jobenjo: there are lots of other digital camera/flash stick handling apps too...
[02:03] <Blissex> jobenjo: they are not quite as smooth as iPhoto, but pretty nice.
[02:03] <nekrataal> hi
[02:04] <nekrataal> i have a question
[02:04] <jobenjo> Blissex: You think a migration is worth it?
[02:04] <nekrataal> how do i turn on the +20db mic boost ???
[02:04] <Blissex> jobenjo: depends whats your goal.
[02:04] <hybrid_goth> jobenjo: from osx to linux?
[02:04] <Burgundavia> jobenjo, I would run both for now.
[02:04] <jobenjo> yeah. I like both
[02:04] <Blissex> jobenjo: if you are not bothered with proprietary stuff, OSX is very nice.
[02:04] <hybrid_goth> jobenjo: a dual boot is nice
[02:04] <Burgundavia> jobenjo, both do things the other can't
[02:05] <nekrataal> anyone knows?
[02:05] <Blissex> nekrataal: use 'alsamixer' there is usually an obvious control for it.
[02:05] <spo0nman> Blissex, i considered osx used it for like a week ... its too damn crappy to be used.
[02:05] <hybrid_goth> jobenjo: but if you see you like linux more you can delete osx <-- like me
[02:05] <jobenjo> But I find myself wanting more apps that run under X11...
[02:05] <nekrataal> Blissex, but i dont know how to turn it on
[02:05] <nekrataal> i can see it on alsamixer, but i cannot set it on
[02:05] <jobenjo> and I'm starting to feel more pro-opensource
[02:05] <CarlK> aww... now that I got my phone setup.. SuperAnxiousKid left...
[02:05] <Blissex> nekrataal: ''mute/unmute'' press F1 for 'alsamixer' help.
[02:06] <timmow> when/if linux gets quartz extreme style stuff, that will be cool
[02:06] <sparc-kly|G4> Linux powerbook 2.6.10-5-powerpc #1 Tue Apr 5 12:44:32 UTC 2005 ppc GNU/Linux
[02:06] <sparc-kly|G4> ubuntu power
[02:06] <sparc-kly|G4> :D
[02:07] <hybrid_goth> sparc-kly|G4: yea we cant get a #ubuntu-ppc
[02:07] <hybrid_goth> sparc-kly|G4: Airo is an @$$
[02:08] <jobenjo> Thanks for the advice guys... maybe a dual-boot makes sense at first.
[02:08] <goldfish> osx is really really cool
[02:09] <goldfish> i'd keep it if i was you
[02:09] <sparc-kly|G4> ilife 05
[02:09] <sparc-kly|G4> :D
[02:09] <sparc-kly|G4> i have dual boot
[02:09] <sparc-kly|G4> os x KILL LINUX
[02:09] <sparc-kly|G4> LOL
[02:11] <CarlK> speaking of dual - anyone have a script that will set the DEFAULT line of /boot/grub/menu.lst to something so that I can just run "$ sudo bootme 2" and not have to pick 2 from the grub menu?
[02:11] <blueyed> How can I find the package where dh_testdir is included? "apt-cache search" does not show it.
[02:12] <CarlK> blueyed - http://packages.ubuntu.com
[02:14] <blueyed> Thanks, CarlK. It's debhelper..
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> CarlK: write a simple one that copies another file over the menu.lst file
[02:14] <CarlK> HrdwrBoB - yeah, but then all hell breaks loose when I add a new kernel or something
[02:17] <Raag> does the ubuntu i386 installation cd come with everything needed to setup a dialup connection, or are there packages that I should download first?
[02:17] <Blissex> Raag: should be OK.
[02:18] <juser_> Raag, do you hae a "rea" modem, or a win-modem?
[02:18] <thingfish> I don't know, I sure don't see anything for setting up a dialup connection.
[02:18] <Raag> winmodem
[02:18] <juser_> then I think you need to dl stuff
[02:19] <bob2> if you have a winmodem, you have a lot of fiddling to do
[02:20] <Carl2> bob2 - the ubuntu guys have made it way easier (so I hear)
[02:20] <Raag> anyways, I'll install on my spare hd and reboot if anything messes up :O)
[02:20] <thingfish> of course, maybe I'm not seeing any modem/dialup tools because I don't have a modem...
[02:20] <Carl2> bob2, but even then, not all winm's are the same, so I am sure some will just not work anytime soon
[02:20] <abood> hey all
[02:21] <abood> guys, i need a command to change a folder permissions that can all the users w and r on it ?? its now just the root can accses it
[02:22] <hybrid_goth> chmod
[02:22] <goldfish> abood: chmod a+rw
[02:22] <goldfish> abood: chmod a+rw <blah?
[02:23] <goldfish> if u want r and w for all
[02:23] <stuNNed> my desktop is hosed, panels are just plain with no applets and nautilus doesn't render any icons, is there a way to fix?
[02:24] <thingfish> abood if you want all users to read/write/execute it, chmod -R 777 /path
[02:24] <Burgundavia> stuNNed, you running breezy?
[02:25] <stuNNed> Burgundavia: no hoary
[02:25] <loren> anyone been able to get Usplash to cover the entire booting process
[02:25] <Burgundavia> stuNNed, hmm, no idea
[02:25] <jpfarias|home> hi people
[02:25] <jpfarias|home> can someone help me?
[02:25] <abood> thx guys
[02:25] <jpfarias|home> I cannot login via gdm
[02:26] <stuNNed> Burgundavia: text mode here i come! lol
[02:26] <jpfarias|home> it gives me some errors
[02:26] <stuNNed> win 4
[02:26] <stuNNed> oops
[02:26] <stuNNed> sorry
[02:26] <jpfarias|home> "protocol not supported by server"
[02:26] <colera> how do you remove the icons from the desktop?
[02:26] <stuNNed> Burgundavia: is there a way to clean things?
[02:26] <Burgundavia> stuNNed, hmm, no idea
[02:27] <JDahl> I've always had a major grief with the Python doc tools in Debian, and I even filled some bugreports along time ago (which was largely dismissed by the maintainer), but now I want to understand to root of the problem. If you unpack the Python source and go to Doc, then this will work: "tools/mkhowto --html --dir tmp ref/ref.tex", but "/usr/lib/python2.4/doc/tools/mkhowto --html --dir tmp ref/ref.tex" does not! Are anyone here using the packaged version of
[02:27] <JDahl> mkhowto for python documentation?
[02:27] <morris> checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... no
[02:27] <morris> oh my
[02:27] <morris> ;(
[02:27] <goldfish> what's wrong with it?
[02:28] <abood> any idea how to add skin to XMMS, i added folder in /usr/lib/xmms and named it skins and i pasted the skin file but i didnt worked ?!?!?!
[02:28] <goldfish> abood: i think you put them in ~/.xmms/skins
[02:28] <goldfish> or something
[02:28] <jpfarias|home> any idea?
[02:28] <jpfarias|home> plz help me!
[02:28] <stuNNed> hheeellpp!
[02:28] <stuNNed> lol
[02:29] <shido6> i loose my mouse when I access my dvd
[02:29] <shido6> so what do i do about dma
[02:29] <JGL> how do i install firefox 1.0.4?
[02:29] <morris> checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... no <-- why am i getting that
[02:29] <goldfish> morris: Do you have it installed/
[02:29] <goldfish> ?
[02:30] <JDahl> are noone here maintaining their own documentation using the python doctools under Ubuntu?
[02:30] <JGL> Anyone have some advice on installing firefox 1.0.4?
[02:30] <Burgundavia> morris, have you installed build-essential?
[02:30] <morris> no ?
[02:30] <jpfarias|home> how do I disable gdm on startup?
[02:30] <Burgundavia> morris, Ubuntu does no have a compiler installed by default
[02:30] <morris> i just did an install of ubuntu
[02:30] <morris> ah ok
[02:30] <Burgundavia> morris, build-essential will get you everything
[02:31] <morris> thank you Burgundavia
[02:31] <JGL> No one has advice for me? should I just use the binaries firefox supplies?
[02:31] <abood> goldfish, do i must make a new dir  ~/.xmms/skins ?
[02:31] <Jormundgand> JGL: Just change the version number and be happy.
[02:32] <goldfish> abood: no, there should be one there i think
[02:32] <Burgundavia> JGL, 1.0.4 should be in the backports if you need it
[02:32] <goldfish> abood: there are instructions on the xmms website.
[02:32] <Jormundgand> JGL: In about:config you can set version to 1.0.4.
[02:32] <stuNNed> it says "I've detected a gnome-panel running and will now exit"
[02:32] <ryman> I'm about to cry. I downloaded Kubuntu and it was at 90% done, then my firefox crashed
[02:32] <JDahl> JGL, you can always install firefox binaries in your homedirectory without using sudo.. that way there's little damage you can do
[02:32] <blueyed> Can I install my patched openssh-server-udeb_* without stopping the old ssh server?
[02:32] <JGL> Jormundgand: what about the security fixes?
[02:32] <jpfarias|home> can someone help me?
[02:32] <Jormundgand> JGL: Will be ported by the security team.
[02:32] <Burgundavia> JGL, they are incomming
[02:33] <jpfarias|home> I cannot login via gdm
[02:33] <blueyed> It says "trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/ssh-keygen'"..
[02:33] <jpfarias|home> it gives me some errors
[02:33] <jpfarias|home> "protocol not supported by server"
[02:33] <JGL> thnx guys...
[02:33] <user1000> okay, i've managed to break my X ... i have no /usr/include/X11, how do i get it back?
[02:33] <JGL> so to sum your advice, just wait abit?
[02:33] <Jormundgand> Yep.
[02:33] <ryman> can I get support for Kubuntu in this channel instead of #kubuntu ?
[02:33] <Jormundgand> ryman: Only if it's not KDE-specific.
[02:33] <Burgundavia> ryman, maybe, but the other channel is a better bet
[02:33] <user1000> is anyone here X-fluent?
[02:34] <ryman> thanks
[02:34] <user1000> ryman: if it's about kde, you can try #kde
[02:35] <ryman> user1000, thanks
[02:35] <daniels> user1000: a little, yes
[02:35] <daniels> user1000: /usr/include/X11 should be a symlink to ../X11R6/include/X11, unless you're running breezy ... are you?
[02:35] <tritium> ;)
[02:35] <user1000> daniels: i've managed to lose /usr/include/X11 and would like to know how to get it back (user error certainly)
[02:35] <blueyed> Does anyone has an idea how I could replace ssh-server with a patched (.udeb'ed) version? - while with ssh on the server..
[02:35] <user1000> daniels: yes, breezy was installed on this machine
[02:36] <stuNNed> all i have for desktop is blank panels and blank brown screen help!
[02:36] <morris> what is termcap
[02:36] <morris> ;/
[02:36] <user1000> daniels: if i just make that symlink can i restart gdm again?
[02:36] <daniels> er, gdm has nothing to do with /usr/include/X11
[02:36] <blueyed> morris: do you have problems with special keys on a remote server?
[02:37] <JGL> guys, this doesn't fool firefox att all... I downloaded the backport 1.0.4 version. But I still can't get extensions...  what should I do?
[02:37] <blueyed> Have you disabled "Allow remote sites to install software", JGL?
[02:38] <JGL> one sec...
[02:38] <user1000> daniels: no, i may have misspoken, i can't start gdm due to the breakage, i'd like to fix the breakage
[02:38] <stuNNed> is there any way to reconfigure gnome to defaults? my gnome-panel and nautilus seems borked
[02:38] <morris> blueyed, funnily enough i do. on a freebsd box that i rent...  what makes me ask in this instance was due to a program i was trying to compile (asterisk). so termcap can sort out key binding issues for me?
[02:38] <blueyed> user1000: do you have another window manager installed? KDM or Xfce..
[02:39] <user1000> blueyed: no, but i don't have x, that's the root problem i believe
[02:39] <blueyed> morris: I don't know much about this, just that some keys do not work for me to.. sorry..
[02:39] <morris> hehe ok
[02:39] <blueyed> you still have apt-get, user1000.
[02:39] <user1000> blueyed: i could apt-get xfce, but that would need x too i think
[02:39] <JGL> blueyed I didn't set it that way...  but I can't find this setting now, where is it?
[02:40] <daniels> user1000: try sudo apt-get install x-window-system
[02:40] <blueyed> xpinstall.enabled in about:config, I think, JGL
[02:40] <stuNNed> daniels: all i have is blank panel and blank screen is there way to fix?
[02:41] <JGL> blueyed: it's set to true
[02:41] <Benji`> if I want a package from debian, would it be safe to install it using the main release apt source?
[02:41] <user1000> daniels: i did an apt-get --reinstall install xorg-common xserver-common, now neither of them will configure, so nothing else will, it seems
[02:42] <user1000> daniels: will i need to reinstall ubuntu from scratch?  is this beyond hope?
[02:42] <daniels> why won't they configure?
[02:42] <JGL> blueyed: it's not that... I tried in both true and false
[02:43] <blueyed> Was just an idea, because I could not update Firefox at work because of this
[02:43] <omv0> i got firefox 1.0.4 from the ubuntu backports, but when i try to get extensions from the firefox website it tells me i must upgrade to 1.0.4. anybody know how i can get extensions?
[02:43] <bob2> morris: you did install build-essential, right?
[02:43] <Benji`> nevermind, found it in universe
[02:43] <Benji`> :P
[02:43] <bob2> omv0: talk to the backports people
[02:43] <JGL> i second that question...
[02:43] <morris> bob2, yea
[02:43] <bob2> or, better still, don't use them at all
[02:44] <bob2> morris: then paste the full error to #flood
[02:44] <JGL> can someone help me get firefox extensions in any way?
[02:44] <user1000> daniels: xorg-common postinst:   /usr/include/X11 is not a symlink (or doesn't exist, depending)
[02:44] <omv0> bob2: but i can't get extensions without using 1.0.4. when i tried installing it from the .tar.gz package from the firefox website it complains about my libc version
[02:44] <Epix> this is kinda off topic but: i cannot get my router to portforward to port 8767 UDP... someone nmap me at thebox.gotdns.org... anyone think they can help? i configured my router (DI-514)
[02:44] <Epix> nmap doesnt show the port as ope n
[02:45] <daniels> user1000: oh man.  is it a directory?
[02:45] <bob2> Epix: er, nmap'ing you won't show if it's forwarded or not
[02:45] <bob2> Epix: you need to configure your "firewall" properly
[02:45] <daniels> user1000: (like, does ls -ld /usr/include/X11 show you a directory?)
[02:45] <Epix> bob2: but it will show if its open
[02:45] <IIIEars> Hi - I hit the power button early on booting - and was trapped in "Safe" mode. - how do you break the loop?
[02:45] <Epix> bob2: on router or box?
[02:45] <user1000> daniels: i did a mkdir, when it complained it wasn't there
[02:45] <bob2> Epix: whatever claims to forward ports for you
[02:45] <bob2> presumably the "router"
[02:45] <daniels> user1000: ah, don't do that
[02:45] <user1000> daniels: i can rmdir if you like
[02:45] <daniels> user1000: rmdir it, ln -s ../X11R6/include/X11 /usr/include/X11
[02:45] <Epix> bob2: the router... and it is configured.
[02:46] <stuNNed> bob2: my panel is blank and screen is blank, is there a way to fix?
[02:46] <bob2> Epix: so why do you think the port isn't forwaded?
[02:46] <bob2> stuNNed: on hoary?
[02:46] <stuNNed> bob2: yes
[02:46] <stuNNed> hoary
[02:46] <bob2> stuNNed: does it affect other users?
[02:46] <user1000> daniels: xorg-common postinst warning: /usr/include/X11 symbolic link does not exist
[02:46] <Epix> bob2: because i cant get into the service running on the other side
[02:46] <daniels> user1000: that's a warning, not an error
[02:46] <user1000> daniels: xorg-common postinst warning: /usr/include/X11 symbolic link does not exist
[02:46] <stuNNed> bob2: let me test, i'll create a test user
[02:46] <bob2> Epix: is something running on the right port on the right machine?
[02:47] <user1000> daniels: then lots of spew, and a refusal to configure
[02:47] <bob2> Epix: you know the difference between udp and tcp, right?
[02:47] <Epix> bob2: yes. and yes, kinda, they are 2 different protocals.
[02:47] <Epix> bob2: and this server uses UDP
[02:47] <Epix> UDP does not check for dropped packets... which is a large difference
[02:47] <JGL> Is there an easy way to set up /home to be mounted on a FAT32 partition?
[02:47] <daniels> user1000: it's the 'lots of spew' that's important
[02:47] <Epix> JGL: nope.
[02:48] <morris> bob2, was that enough information in #flood?
[02:48] <JGL> Epix: is there any way at all, or is it taboo?
[02:48] <user1000> daniels: that was just the ls -l of /usr/include, that i can tell
[02:48] <stuNNed> bob2: yes it affects 'test' user
[02:48] <daniels> user1000: that shouldn't be an actual failure to configure
[02:48] <bob2> Epix: right
[02:48] <Epix> JGL: i do not believe so. if there is i bet it is an ugly hack...
[02:48] <bob2> JGL: that won't work very well
[02:49] <bob2> stuNNed: hm, ok
[02:49] <Epix> JGL: because linux isnt designed to run on FAT...
[02:49] <user1000> daniels: i can't figure out how to use pastebin from console, can i paste in #flood for you?
[02:49] <daniels> sure
[02:49] <Epix> bob2: so why the error
[02:49] <stuNNed> bob2: what to do, what to do? :)
[02:49] <WX> does the fluxbox package support Xinerama?
[02:49] <JGL> epix, but is no big deal at all for linux to work with fat32, I have it now set up as /home/user/shared///
[02:50] <JGL> so why not as /home ?
[02:50] <daniels> user1000: rmdir /usr/lib/X11 as well
[02:50] <Epix> JGL: because you are confilcting FSes
[02:50] <bob2> stuNNed: I don't know, sorry...presumably it's a bug, maybe someone on the list knows about it
[02:51] <bob2> JGL: things on /home want to actually be able to set permissions, like gpg and ssh.  fat doesn't do that
[02:51] <Epix> JGL: your /home/user... is probally handled by samba
[02:51] <krag> Hi, could anyone help me, I'm having a nightmare trying to get sound working with onboard nvidia (intel8x10)
[02:51] <bob2> Epix: what error?
[02:51] <user1000> daniels: okay, not i *think* it's ls-l'ing /usr/lib, it's very verbose
[02:51] <Epix> bob2: lol, the non existent one... the fact its not connecting
[02:51] <daniels> user1000: as I said, rmdir /usr/lib/X11
[02:51] <user1000> daniels: s/not/now/
[02:51] <Epix> bob2: and an nmap shows the port as closed
[02:51] <daniels> oh, right, I see
[02:51] <daniels> yeah, that's OK
[02:52] <JGL> is it samba? i mounted with "mount -t vfat /dev/hda9 /home/user/shared"
[02:52] <daniels> it shouldn't actually error our there
[02:52] <user1000> daniels: yes, i rmdir'd it, then retried dpkg --configure -a, and that's what gave me the long ls -l
[02:52] <bob2> Epix: you're absolutely sure the program is listening on the right machine on the right ip?  ie, from inside the network, you can connect to that port?
[02:52] <Epix> bob2: i do believe so, ill check again/again
[02:52] <daniels> user1000: that's not necessarily an error
[02:52] <bob2> morris: you might need termcap-compat
[02:53] <bob2> morris: what program is this?
[02:53] <user1000> daniels: well, dpkg: error processing xorg-common (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 141 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of xserver-common:
[02:54] <CrippsFX> I have realplayer installed as the ubuntuguide.org website prescribes, but when I try to open realplayer, nothing happens. has anybody else had this trouble before?
[02:54] <user1000> daniels: i don't know how to tell what a 141 is
[02:54] <CrippsFX> user1000, try doing a google search: "dpkg error 141" ;)
[02:55] <morris> bob2, asterisk open source pbx
[02:55] <user1000> CrippsFX: no browsers, i'm not in x
[02:55] <bob2> morris: asterisk is already in ubuntu...
[02:55] <CrippsFX> user1000, elinks, links, lynx ......
[02:55] <morris> i couldnt find the package
[02:55] <morris> i dint look
[02:55] <user1000> CrippsFX: i'd rather get in x, heh
[02:55] <CrippsFX> user1000, plenty of command line browsers ...one of them is guaranteed to be installed by default.
[02:55] <morris> as i dont know how to search the packages
[02:55] <bob2> morris: it's in the asterisk package...
[02:55] <nalioth> user1000: w3m
[02:55] <sig> morris: apt-cache search packagename
[02:56] <bob2> morris: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[02:56] <morris> ah cool
[02:56] <morris> thanks
[02:56] <CrippsFX> user1000, well, if looking something up on google will help you get X, then it's definitely worth a shot.
[02:56] <morris> thanks both
[02:56] <Epix> bob2: yup
[02:56] <morris> ill check that bob
[02:56] <Epix> bob2: it works
[02:56] <morris> and sig, ill try that too
[02:56] <Epix> bob2: locally...
[02:56] <morris> bob2, when i was at the console i trid synaptic and searched for asterisk however it returned no results.
[02:57] <morris> im using ssh now im home
[02:57] <morris> root@tikka:/home/morris/asterisk-1.0.7 # apt-cache search asterisk
[02:57] <morris> root@tikka:/home/morris/asterisk-1.0.7 #
[02:57] <Epix> bob2: but not remotly throguh router
[02:57] <morris> is there something wrong with my installation ?
[02:57] <bob2> Epix: I guess the problem is with your router then
[02:58] <user1000> CrippsFX: okay, lynx gets me google, but google isn't helpful, i don't even know what fink is
[02:58] <bob2> morris: read the page I pointed you at
[02:58] <morris> ok
[02:58] <bob2> morris: or edit /etc/apt/sources.list and enable hte universe repository
[02:58] <Epix> bob2: but its setup just like it should be...
[02:58] <bob2> Epix: ok, but it's not forwarding packets, apparently
[02:58] <Epix> bob2: hmm, if i was forwarding a port and i nmaped it what whoudl happen
[02:58] <CrippsFX> what is this fink you are asking about? you said that dpkg gives you an error 141, so search for that. :)
[02:58] <morris> bob2, thanks
[02:59] <bob2> Epix: nothing, in general
[02:59] <bob2> Epix: if it is forwarded to a machine who is listening on that port, though, it will appear to be open
[02:59] <Epix> bob2: okk... then it shoudl be listening
[03:00] <user1000> CrippsFX: ask google for the search you gave me yourself :)  the first few hits are about fink mailing lists on sourceforge
[03:00] <nalioth> user1000: are you on OSX?
[03:00] <CrippsFX> user1000, yeah, I was about to say "I see what you mean" ... but I messed up my input ;)
[03:00] <user1000> nalioth: no, ubuntu breezy with a broken x11
[03:01] <CrippsFX> user1000, I was also going to say that the first link you see isn't neccesarily the best one. look for a description that most closely describes your problem.
[03:01] <JGL> I anyone still having prolems with the firefox extensions?
[03:01] <user1000> CrippsFX: yeah, the thing is (if you're on that page) there's none that seem to fit
[03:01] <nalioth> user1000: ok just checking. fink is a packaging thing for OSX
[03:01] <user1000> nalioth: aaahhhhhh, makes sense, i heard they had an apt-like-thing
[03:02] <CrippsFX> user1000, I'll be searching too ... I just never used w3m, so its kind of akward for me. I'm setting up links right now :)
[03:02] <user1000> CrippsFX: i think you can use firefox or something if you have x there, heh
[03:02] <CrippsFX> user1000, yeah .... but cli is fun ;)
[03:03] <user1000> CrippsFX: though i do recall google sends me to a firefox-specific page, so maybe they do chnage th results based on browser :(
[03:04] <Tezkah> MrNaughty: where in Alberta are you?
[03:04] <user1000> if i remove x from this box, i'll lose most of my apps, right? :(
[03:05] <fazer> hello, has anyone ever dual booted Ubuntu and XP?
[03:05] <Tezkah> I'm doing it right now
[03:05] <PecK> fazer, hi, yes
[03:05] <Tezkah> except kubuntu
[03:05] <Tezkah> >.>
[03:05] <fazer> PecK: oh, hey there.
[03:05] <user1000> fazer: you'll want to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:05] <fazer> PecK and Tezkah , do you guys use grub?
[03:05] <PecK> fazer, yes
[03:05] <Tezkah> yep
[03:06] <fazer> user1000: ah, I see. Does it matter which install do I install first?
[03:06] <Tezkah> automagically detected XP too
[03:06] <fazer> cool
[03:06] <Tezkah> install XP first
[03:06] <fazer> Tezkah: ah awesome.
[03:06] <Tezkah> Ubuntu knows that XP is there
[03:06] <fazer> So I guess I have my first step covered.
[03:06] <Tezkah> but XP is ignorant
[03:06] <Tezkah> I partitioned my drive first
[03:06] <fazer> Tezkah: yeah, I heard :P
[03:06] <PecK> fazer important that XP is installed first, it needs it
[03:06] <user1000> fazer: i'm told ms is unfriendly and has to have the first partition on install, so i'd go with that first
[03:06] <shido6> I dual boot
[03:06] <shido6> i need to make a boot disk for vmware tho
[03:06] <shido6> so I can run both
[03:06] <nalioth> XP is nefarious for eating grub and lilos
[03:06] <shido6> at the same time
[03:06] <fazer> user1000: awesome.  so how do I have press ESC during boot up to select the other OS?
[03:07] <gaussian88> I never install any Linux distro BEFORE a Windows install
[03:07] <user1000> fazer: install xp, then boot from the ubuntu install cd, and it will set you up to have a grub menu on boot
[03:07] <gaussian88> Windows always seems to gobble up something important for dual booting.
[03:07] <nalioth> OSX eats my yaboot, sometimes
[03:07] <loren> you press up or down to select :0
[03:07] <gaussian88> I always try to install Windows first, then install my Linux distro.    It's ALWAYS happy that way
[03:08] <fazer> user1000: oh i see
[03:08] <CrippsFX> user1000, okay ... so I guess there isn't that much specifically pertaining to "error 141" where I looked .... but I am led to believe that it is some form of "pre-dependency" problem.
[03:08] <user1000> fazer: if you want to configure it to either default after a few seconds, or hide the grub menu entirely, you edit the file i mentioned
[03:08] <fazer> user1000: oh I see.  Neat
[03:09] <IIIEars> How do you install .tgz files?
[03:09] <user1000> CrippsFX: okay, as bedst as i can figure out, the postinst of xorg-common was written for hoary, and refuses to work with a breezy system
[03:09] <Tezkah> source tarball?
[03:09] <foxiness> IIIEars, readme
[03:09] <fazer> IIIEars: you mean extract?
[03:09] <IIIEars> no it is a binary
[03:09] <goldfish> IIIEars: man tar
[03:09] <^thehatsrule^> IIIEars, isnt that what slackware uses?
[03:09] <goldfish> oh
[03:09] <goldfish> wait
[03:09] <fazer> IIIEars: try tar -zxvf file.tgz
[03:09] <^thehatsrule^> thats the binary it uses
[03:09] <Tezkah> IIIEars: firefox?
[03:10] <CrippsFX> user1000, makes sense. you could try a debian (or source) based release of Xorg ;)
[03:10] <user1000> IIIEars: no, it is a tarball ... .tgx is lame-8.3-speak for .tar.gz
[03:10] <IIIEars> Oops - my wife won't have xscrabble?
[03:10] <foxiness> IIIEars, on general "./configure ,make , make install"
[03:10] <^thehatsrule^> NICE!
[03:10] <^thehatsrule^> cd's arrived o/
[06:54] (kestas_/#ubuntu) fsck allowed him to boot
[06:54] (kestas_/#ubuntu) I think that indicates something
[06:54] (kestas_/#ubuntu) I dont know what but something
[06:54] (daniels/#ubuntu) Drako60: of which filesystem?
[06:54] (kestas_/#ubuntu) ext3 :P
[06:54] (Drako60/#ubuntu) du -h said only 17GBs in use
[06:55] <Drako60> yes ext3 one / partition of 114GBs total
[06:55] <daniels> kestas_: i meant root vs /home, etc
[06:55] <nickrud> actually, I was checking to see if lexxan's bot was around, I've been gone a while :)
[06:55] <kestas_> ah right
[06:55] <Drako60> both / and /home were one partition
[06:57] <zachary> hi i'm having a prob installing the java sdk
[06:57] <omV0> what does this mean? "Warning: Unknown(/home/omer/public_html/lastbase/test.php): failed to open stream: Permission denied in Unknown on line 0"
[06:57] <freelzee> how would i find out what version of ubuntu i'm using?
[06:57] <kestas_> omV0: chmod 777 test.php
[06:57] <kestas_> and try again
[06:57] <kestas_> if that works then the account php is running under doesnt have permission
[06:58] <toresbe> can someone please say toresbe? need to test hilight
[06:58] <omV0> thanks kestas
[06:58] <zachary> toresbe
[06:58] <toresbe> zachary: again please?
[06:58] <kestas_> toresbe:
[06:58] <zachary> toresbe
[06:58] <freelzee> toresbe
[06:58] <toresbe> thanks :)
[06:58] <toresbe> it works :)
[06:58] <zachary> n/p
[06:58] <omV0> kestas: WORKS!!!!! thanks!!
[06:58] <kestas_> beep beep beep
[06:58] <zachary> toresbe now will you help me
[06:59] <toresbe> zachary: I guess I have no choice :P
[06:59] <zachary> haha
[06:59] <zachary> no obligation
[06:59] <toresbe> zachary: eek, java, dunno about that
[06:59] <zachary> yeah i know java nasty language
[06:59] <zachary> but its what i have to use for the comp sci class
[06:59] <Hussam> hey guys. i'm trying to compile xfce using os-cillation installer.bin . It gives an error when compiling xffm. I looked at the log. anybody knows what this error means? callbacks.c:668: error: invalid storage class for function 'unsel'
[06:59] <Hussam> hey guys. i'm trying to compile xfce using os-cillation installer.bin . It gives an error when compiling xffm. I looked at the log. anybody knows what this error means? callbacks.c:668: error: invalid storage class for function 'unsel'
[06:59] <zachary> and i'm sick of switching back to xp to compilie the code
[07:00] <freelzee> how would i find out what version of ubuntu i'm using? (shell command preferred)
[07:00] <Kraln> uname -a
[07:01] <zachary> okay well has anyone had success with installing the java sdk
[07:01] <omV0> kestas- everytime i make a new php file i have to chmod 777.. how would i fix that?
[07:01] <freelzee> kraln: thanx
[07:01] <garnertr> sigh, during install of Ubuntu from my laptop, it cannot detect my dvd/cdrom rw drive
[07:02] <garnertr> it cannot find a drive and forces me to pick from a list and not a single name listed works (aztcd, cdrom, sony)...
[07:02] <Kraln> garnertr, laptop or desktop?
[07:02] <garnertr> laptop
[07:02] <garnertr> Alienware, Area51m Sentia, Pentium 4, 1700MHZ, 80-gig hd, 1 gig-Ram
[07:02] <ilba7r> hi anyone know how to add a pdf printer to ubuntu?
[07:03] <Kraln> garnertr, ls /dev | grep hd
[07:03] <Kraln> what do yo usee
[07:03] <Kraln> you see*
[07:03] <nickrud> ilba7r, cups-pdf
[07:04] <garnertr> hda; hda1; hda2; hda5
[07:04] <ilba7r> kraln is this message for me
[07:04] <ilba7r> nickrud : i installed it but did not work
[07:04] <ilba7r> nickrud : i only have postscript printer which is of no use for me so far
[07:06] <garnertr> Optical Drive
[07:06] <garnertr> 24X CDRW / 8X DVD
[07:06] <garnertr> Combo Drive
[07:06] <Cybermagellan> kestas: Back
[07:06] <nickrud> ilba7r, I used it under debian, so it should work, I'll take a look
[07:06] <ilba7r> nickrud: thanx for your help
[07:07] <meofcourse> Hi there, I'm new to ubuntu, just upgraded a machine from RH9 to hoary.
[07:07] <garnertr> far as I can tell its a standard Optical Drive, 24x CDRW / 8x DVD combo Drive, but not seen in Ubuntu.. I'm reading the specs from Alienware's homepage
[07:07] <Kraln> right
[07:07] <Kraln> garnertr, i'm guessing just one hard drive in that laptop?
[07:08] <Kraln> then hda5 is the cdrom
[07:08] <Kraln> now comes the fun part.
[07:08] <garnertr> my bad forgot to mention that prat Kraln, yes, one 80-gig standard hd
[07:08] <saber_> garnertr: can you see the drive when you type: dmesg?
[07:08] <Kraln> garnertr, then yeah, hda5 is your cdrom drive, fwiw
[07:08] <garnertr> hda5? really?
[07:08] <meofcourse> i'm trying to figure out the repositories. Universe & multiverse, specifically.
[07:08] <saber_> garne: you can also check using cdrecord... cdrecord -scanbus -dev=[ATA/ATAPI] 
[07:09] <meofcourse> I haven't been able to find documentation that tells me what I want to consider when deciding whether to use them. Is it riskier? less stable?
[07:10] <saber_> meofcourse: well, the more software you have, the greater risk you are in terms of security regardless of what the software is
[07:10] <moyogo> what's the command line to configure xorg?
[07:10] <saber_> meofcourse: you have more software, therefore a greater potential for bugs...
[07:10] <meofcourse> right, makes sense
[07:10] <Kraln> moyogo, nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? :P
[07:10] <daniels> moyogo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[07:10] <saber_> meofcourse: ubuntu is pretty stable though. i have not personally had any problems with it
[07:10] <daniels> take out the -phigh if you like lots of questions
[07:10] <garnertr> ok, SO, if its HDA5 then what would be the next logical step, ensuring that /etc/fstab is setup w/ the normal blurb?
[07:10] <moyogo> thanks daniels
[07:11] <saber_> meofcourse: if you setup a firewall, do not run any services, and don't hand out any accounts, you should be ok even if there are a few problems
[07:11] <meofcourse> saber_, and you use, all, universe, multiverse, etc?
[07:11] <bitsmash> installing the 1.0.4 from backport causes this when trying to access extensions page http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/?application=%7bec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384%7d
[07:11] <saber_> meofcourse: well, whatever i need :)
[07:11] <meofcourse> saber_, this is my gf's workstation, i mainly want to keep it simple and stable for her.
[07:11] <saber_> meofcourse: it really comes down to not where the package is located, but the quality of a given package
[07:12] <saber_> so its really hard to say
[07:12] <meofcourse> saber_ but am working on gettting java working
[07:12] <garnertr> I'm now looking @ my etc/fstab; it has 2 entries, /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda5 hda5=none swap sw 0 0 is this now incorrect?
[07:12] <Tomcat_> bitsmash: You can change the version number in about:config somewhere... it's weird that the backports people forgot to change it.
[07:12] <saber_> i use the jdk supplied by sun.com
[07:12] <zachary> anyone use java?
[07:12] <saber_> go download it, slap it in /opt, and edit your .bashrc
[07:12] <bitsmash> Tomcat_: oh? sorry wheres this?
[07:13] <meofcourse> saber_, ok, so the different sections don't really say "this has seen more reviewing by the team", etc?
[07:13] <saber_> well, the universe is not really seen by the ubuntu team
[07:13] <Kraln> garnertr, hold on
[07:13] <Kraln> sorry
[07:13] <saber_> they are primarily concerned with providing a good base (OS)
[07:13] <Kraln> I got confused, hda5 is your swap
[07:13] <garnertr> roger that Kraln
[07:14] <meofcourse> saber_, ok, i was trying to figure that out
[07:14] <Kraln> can you pm me? there's a lot of crosstalk in here
[07:14] <saber_> that's why the universe is not enabled by default
[07:14] <meofcourse> saber_, multiverse too?
[07:14] <saber_> right
[07:14] <garnertr> ok, so my ls /dev | grep hd shows hda, hda1, hda2, hda5
[07:14] <meofcourse> what's the diff between the two?
[07:14] <saber_> you kind of answered that questions already yourself
[07:14] <meofcourse> i did?
[07:15] <saber_> sure
[07:15] <bitsmash> Tomcat_: where do i find out what to change?
[07:15] <meofcourse> i missed something
[07:15] <aardvark> what is the std for playing DVD's on ubuntu ?
[07:15] <saber_> the multiverse/universe packages are not reviewed by the team
[07:15] <nekton> howdy folks
[07:15] <meofcourse> but how are they different from each other?
[07:15] <aardvark> it seems mplayer is no more
[07:15] <saber_> you know, to tell you the truth, i've never used the multiverse
[07:15] <meofcourse> ahh, ok
[07:15] <saber_> i only use universe.
[07:16] <saber_> i haven't had the need
[07:16] <garnertr> When I read the disply it says that hda - EXT3 FS on hda1, swap is on hda5, but I don't see anything for hda2, well anyway, still know internal dvd drive listed
[07:16] <Kraln> well
[07:16] <Kraln> in linux
[07:16] <Kraln> drives are named like so: hda, hdb
[07:16] <meofcourse> so is sun jdk in universe?
[07:16] <nekton> now that i have my touchpad working (thanks dabaSlon!), i am trying to get my modem working
[07:16] <NZheretic> Dial up access is a pig of a system in Ubuntu, even Fedora is easier!
[07:16] <Kraln> partitions are hda1 hda5 hdb3
[07:16] <Kraln> so I don't see a hdb
[07:16] <aardvark> has any one got any thoughts regarding DVD playback
[07:16] <Kraln> hmm
[07:16] <saber_> i don't know. i got it from sun's web site
[07:16] <Kraln> garnertr, it's possible the drive is scsi
[07:16] <saber_> probably not, because of their license
[07:16] <meofcourse> the java page on the wiki is a bit confusing
[07:17] <Kraln> can you copy the output of ls /dev to rafb.net/paste and paste the url here?
[07:17] <garnertr> ok, then should I be setting up in the etc/fstab as a scsi type drive?
[07:17] <NZheretic> WHERE THE HELL is the modemlights applet in Hoary!
[07:17] <meofcourse> ok, it doesn't create any problems installing java without the involvement of the package system?
[07:17] <saber_> no
[07:18] <meofcourse> ok, i guess i'll do it that way too
[07:18] <saber_> other than the fact that when updates come out, you'll need to update it yourself
[07:18] <meofcourse> is it an rpm or something?
[07:18] <seth> Hello everyone
[07:18] <saber_> its a self extracting executable
[07:18] <meofcourse> okidoke. i'll give that a try
[07:18] <meofcourse> thanks, saber_
[07:18] <saber_> sure
[07:19] <Kraln> garnertr, it'd really be easier for me to help you if you pm'd me
[07:19] <NZheretic> As far as the Ubuntu "documentation" floating around the web . there are three conflicting solutions for the same problem pppconfig+pon+poff , gnome-ppp  and the curretly not working modem applet+network monitor.
[07:20] <saber_> what about wvdial, heretic?
[07:20] <garnertr> http://rafb.net/paste/results/CmXGU247.html
[07:20] <nickrud> NZheretic, they dropped it :(
[07:20] <NZheretic> gnome-ppp uses wvdial
[07:21] <saber_> oh i didn't know that... i haven't had to live with a ppp connection for a while :)
[07:21] <nekton> uh, oh. am i hearing that dial up is not such a good thing under Ubuntu?
[07:21] <nickrud> ilba7r, it's not working for me either, and I
[07:21] <nekton> i am having troubles making it work and i thought it was my noobness
[07:21] <NZheretic> nekton : Saying fedora is better is not a good clue?
[07:21] <nickrud> 'm not ready to run cups as root right now, so I'll have to think on it
[07:22] <Shufla> hello
[07:22] <NZheretic> the current modem applet requires administrator password, but still does not work.
[07:22] <nekton> darn. i found a link about my lappie modem that talked about getting it working under fedora NZheretic, thought maybe it was simplier under Ubuntu
[07:22] <seth> Hey guys. Just had a question. Running software update in Ubuntu, and it is going for OpenOffice, but it keeps telling me the MD5Sum is mismatched.
[07:22] <IIIEars> Hi! :)
[07:22] <nickrud> What's wrong with pppconfig and pon/poff?
[07:23] <ilba7r> nickrud: ok thanks for your help i opened the ppd file installed with it its only a post script printer. Wierd eh. i know i can type the command gs - .... -SDevice=pdfwrite but thats too long to do every time
[07:23] <IIIEars> How can i build a source .tgz file?
[07:23] <zachary> what do you open java class files with
[07:23] <saber_> seth: have you changed /etc/apt/sources.list?
[07:23] <zachary> you compile with javac
[07:23] <seth> saber_,  no, this is on a fresh install. No more then 15 minutes old.
[07:23] <nickrud> ilba7r, sounds like an alias to me :)
[07:23] <Amaranth> http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2005/123/0/8/powerdraw_by_Diamonster.jpg <--made with MS Paint
[07:24] <saber_> that's strange. you ran apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[07:24] <NZheretic> nickrud : the person has a crappy POT phone service, needs live connection monitor
[07:24] <Shufla> re
[07:24] <seth> Amaranth,  damn, that's nice.
[07:24] <ilba7r> nickrud: alias ? sorry did not understand what you ment
[07:24] <zachary> anyone help please
[07:24] <seth> saber_,  this is from the applet in the GNOME taskbar.
[07:24] <Kraln> Amaranth, I am in disbelief
[07:24] <nickrud> NZheretic, yeah, that's why I miss modemlights
[07:24] <saber_> seth: try running it manually
[07:25] <Drako60> i partition my harddrive with 3 primary partitions and a swap and it tells me the rest of my space is unusable
[07:25] <IIIEars> how can i buikld this?  xscrabble-2.10.tgz
[07:25] <nickrud> ilba7r, you can set an alias for a long command line you use a lot.
[07:25] <seth> saber_,  going to sound stupid, but what is the command?
[07:25] <saber_> hehe
[07:25] <IIIEars> *build
[07:25] <ilba7r> nickrud: ok thanx a lot. See ya my friend
[07:25] <saber_> do you know what an xterm/aterm/konsole?
[07:25] <seth> saber_,  sorry, but this is my first time running Linux.
[07:25] <nickrud> ilba7r, like     alias pdfwrite='.....-SDevice=pdfwrite'
[07:26] <NZheretic> Is their *another* alterative in the Ubuntu universe for dial up?
[07:26] <IIIEars> seth - Welcome!
[07:26] <seth> IIIEars,  thanks!
[07:26] <saber_> heretic, you can try searching packages.ubuntu.com       for ppp
[07:26] <saber_> be sure to search the titles and descriptions
[07:26] <Cybermagellan> Is it adviseable that after you do an update to completely reboot?
[07:26] <seth> Also guys, I'm trying to get into my FIrefox preferences, but it keeps telling me "root.disabled = "true";
[07:27] <saber_> cybermegallan: i would do it if my system was running out of the ordinary. otherwise just leave it along
[07:27] <Drako60> its not normal for the partion manager in the installer to only allow 3 primary partitions is it?
[07:27] <seth> saber_,  yeah I know what a terminal is.
[07:27] <IIIEars> seth - did you install Firefox from the mozilla site?
[07:27] <lifeless> seth: are you logged in as 'root' ?
[07:27] <seth> IIIEars,  nope, fresh Ubuntu install.
[07:27] <saber_> cybermegallen: i am pretty sure services are restarted after an update
[07:27] <seth> lifeless,  no.
[07:27] <IIIEars> hm
[07:28] <saber_> seth: login, type sudo apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:28] <saber_> login to your terminal that is
[07:28] <nickrud> NZheretic, maybe he can use netspeed to monitor his connection.
[07:28] <saber_> then follow the onscreen prompts
[07:28] <nekton> let me ask this another way, does it make sense that lspci returns Modem: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00d9 (rev 2) ?
[07:29] <Amaranth> daniels: ?
[07:30] <seth> It's telling me that it can't lock the administration directory, then asking if I'm root.
[07:30] <timeless_> i how can i get libdvdcss
[07:30] <saber_> right. that's why you need to use sudo
[07:30] <Amaranth> daniels: I only op when needed. :)
[07:30] <seth> I did.
[07:30] <saber_> then the user is not part of the sudoers
[07:31] <Drako60> it makes no sense on why it would only let me have 3 primary partitions grr
[07:31] <IIIEars> where do you find the sudoers file?
[07:31] <saber_> ./etc/sudoers
[07:31] <IIIEars> :)
[07:31] <bitsmash> firefox needs to be upgraded to 1.0.4
[07:32] <Amaranth> bitsmash: No it doesn't. The one in Ubuntu has all the security fixes backported.
[07:32] <nickrud> IIIEars, use visudo to edit sudoers, it'll do some basic syntax checks on your changes
[07:33] <bitsmash> Amaranth: i dont know what that means...all i know is i cant get to the extension site from 1.0.2
[07:33] <bkinman> Folks, i have some terrible news... The sound in frozen bubble isnt working for me =( ... Warning: can't initialize sound (reason: No available audio device).
[07:33] <bitsmash> Amaranth: are you able to get to the extensions?
[07:33] <bkinman> However, sound seems to work in gnome.
[07:33] <Amaranth> bitsmash: Yeah, that's the website's problem. They choose to block older versions without realizing that distros don't upgrade versions, they backport security fixes.
[07:33] <IIIEars> Thanks - nickrud
[07:34] <bitsmash> Amaranth: what do i do? just use the tar?
[07:34] <bitsmash> Amaranth: can i make a package out of it somehow?
[07:34] <IIIEars> does using vi make me a "733t haxor"/ - rofl
[07:34] <Amaranth> No, go into about:config and change the vendorSub from 1.0 to 1.0.4
[07:35] <bkinman> No sound in frozen bubble is like heaven without a harp in the background, what can i do guys?
[07:35] <bitsmash> Amaranth: think i already tried but just a sec....what was that backport site again?
[07:35] <Amaranth> bitsmash: The version in hoary is just as safe as the 1.0.4 release on their website.
[07:35] <Amaranth> bitsmash: backports break systems
[07:35] <nickrud> IIIEars, as a long time vim user, I can confidently say, no :)
[07:35] <IIIEars> lol
[07:36] <bitsmash> no comprende...backports...not even really sure what it is...if it offers a new firefox
[07:37] <IIIEars> Been wrestling with xscrabble-2.10.tgz and the same rpm - i'm suck...
[07:37] <IIIEars> er - was that freudian? - er - i meant "stuck"
[07:38] <IIIEars> alien built a nice deb - but no joy
[07:39] <IIIEars> Anjuta - was well... "interesting" - grin
[07:40] <IIIEars> I need a little help to make my wife think i am a guru. - lol
[07:41] <IIIEars> any pointers? tips? URLS?
[07:41] <nickrud> IIIEars, regurgitating some things I was told in a similar situation: dh_make and cdbs
[07:41] <ivoks> ?
[07:41] <asdfgh> krlan is the most helpful person ever
[07:42] <IIIEars> Yay! - Thanks for the lead.
[07:42] <asdfgh> kraln that is
[07:42] <asdfgh> :|
[07:42] <seth> Ubuntu doesn't ask for a root password during install, does it?
[07:42] <JDahl> seth, it does in expert install
[07:43] <seth> JDahl,  well, during a normal install, does it set the root password to something else, or just a random string?
[07:43] <Kraln> seth, ubuntu is setup defaultly as a single-user setup
[07:43] <Kraln> there is no root password, and you can't log into root unless you set one
[07:43] <daniels> Kraln: er
[07:43] <daniels> ubuntu is set up as single-user out of the box
[07:43] <benplaut> seth: with sudo, your user password can give you root powers
[07:43] <abarbaccia> Kraln, you can log into root - sudo -s allows you to
[07:43] <daniels> it scales to multiple users, though
[07:44] <daniels> arguably better than without sudo, because you don't have to have everyone knowing the one root password
[07:44] <daniels> i say this in the context of having managed ubuntu machines with hundreds of users
[07:45] <seth> Cool.
[07:46] <JDahl> I got screwed at work because another user wanted to add an extra user to the sudoers file, but ended up deleting the file
[07:47] <Kraln> seth, if you really need root, just sudo passwd root
[07:47] <Kraln> and give it a password
[07:47] <Kraln> now it's time for me to scream at xserver ;)
[07:47] <Cybermagellan> Kraln what's up?
[07:48] <abarbaccia> seth, if you want to get into a root terminal - simply use the command 'sudo -s'
[07:49] <seth> Hey guys, do I keep dropping from here?
[07:53] <sobersabre> hi guys there's been esddsp util in sarge.
[07:53] <sobersabre> is there such thing in ubuntu ?
[07:53] <sobersabre> i want to use it on skype....
[07:54] <ivoks> sobersabre: why?
[07:54] <ivoks> sobersabre: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-32063.html
[07:55] <seth> Alright, so I have an NTFS drive mounted across the network, and would like to stream my MP3s from it through XMMS. How would I do this?
[07:57] <kestas> seth: play them?
[07:57] <kestas> I dont get it
[07:57] <seth> Yeah, play them in XMMS across the network.
[07:58] <kestas> right
[07:58] <seth> In other words, I don't want to copy 16GBs of MP3s across the network.
[07:58] <kestas> I keep my mp3s on my freebsd fileserver
[07:58] <kestas> and I play them over samba
[07:58] <seth> How?
[07:58] <kestas> mount them with smbfs
[07:58] <seth> The drive is mounted.
[07:59] <kestas> mount -t smbfs -o username=bla,password=bla,uid=1000 //10.10.1.1/Share /mnt/Share
[07:59] <kestas> xmms /mnt/Share/mp3.mp3
[08:02] <kestas> does anyone here have any gimp mastery?
[08:03] <Tezkah`> Mark Shuttleworth is a cool guy!
[08:03] <eyequeue> Tezkah`:  indeed
[08:04] <Tezkah`> he said in a /. q and a to come into this room
[08:04] <Tezkah`> which is pretty interesting
[08:04] <eyequeue> Tezkah:  well, welcome.  first time here?
[08:05] <Tezkah> nah, I am just more of a kubuntu guy
[08:05] <Tezkah> this channel isn't an autojoin... at least in Winnows
[08:05] <eyequeue> ah
[08:05] <abarbaccia> whats a goog p2p client for linux?
[08:05] <seth> Hey kestas, is it ok if I query you?
[08:06] <seth> abarbaccia,  GUNTella.
[08:06] <eyequeue> abarbaccia:  ubuntuguide will tell you how to set up limewire, which is what i use to send out ubuntu isos :)
[08:06] <kestas> seth: is it okay if I respond to your query?
[08:06] <Tezkah> Bittorrent!
[08:06] <abarbaccia> eyequeue, i think im gonna go with that
[08:06] <abarbaccia> thanks
[08:06] <eyequeue> abarbaccia:  and yes, it's a gnutella-protocol client :)
[08:06] <abarbaccia> seth, i dont like GNUtella
[08:06] <seth> kestas,  I meant a private query.
[08:06] <n3m3s1s> i have move my toolbar with my menu in right , how make for turn in up
[08:07] <eyequeue> abarbaccia:  is it the client you dislike or the protocol?
[08:07] <eyequeue> abarbaccia:  limewire seems quite featureful (to me) and quite configurable
[08:09] <eyequeue> i've used bittorrent to d/l ubuntu isos :)
[08:14] <AMCDeathKnight> How can I format Ubuntu, as I wish to reinstall it later after i reinstalled windows on another drive?
[08:15] <JairunCaloth> when I try to install need for speed underground 2 with cedega, it tells me I need directx 9.0c. But when it tries to install DX9.0c it allways fails
[08:15] <LISP> AMCDeathKnight: format ubuntu? you need to boot cd..
[08:15] <AMCDeathKnight> I have Ubuntu Warty boot cd
[08:15] <LISP> AMCDeathKnight: i'm not sure it allows you to do it
[08:15] <AMCDeathKnight> oh
[08:16] <AMCDeathKnight> there must be someway
[08:16] <LISP> AMCDeathKnight: i use a crux boot cd, because it doesn't install anything, and it has cfdisk
[08:16] <eyequeue> AMCDeathKnight:  you have your install cd?  pick expert and change the partition it's on to something new (delete it and then readd it)
[08:16] <LISP> AMCDeathKnight forgot about expert :P
[08:16] <eyequeue> AMCDeathKnight:  all you really want to do is erase the partition it's on, right?
[08:16] <AMCDeathKnight> No, I want to delete everything on the ubuntu drive
[08:17] <eyequeue> AMCDeathKnight:  it's on a physically separate drive?
[08:17] <AMCDeathKnight> Yes
[08:17] <AMCDeathKnight> Grub handles the boot up
[08:17] <AMCDeathKnight> between the drives
[08:17] <AMCDeathKnight> ubuntu is on 10 gig while windows is on 20 gig
[08:17] <eyequeue> AMCDeathKnight:  dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb (if the drive is hdb)
[08:18] <AMCDeathKnight> now? inside linux can i delete it
[08:18] <AMCDeathKnight> in the termina
[08:18] <JairunCaloth> you can do it from windoze
[08:18] <AMCDeathKnight> But isnt that a linux command
[08:19] <AMCDeathKnight> Windows cant see the Ubuntu drive in my computer
[08:19] <eyequeue> AMCDeathKnight:  that's a very aggressive "delete" but not enough if you're concerned about a three-letter agency enemy :)
[08:19] <NZheretic> As far as the Ubuntu "documentation" floating around the web . there are three conflicting solutions for the same problem pppconfig+pon+poff+gpppon , gnome-ppp+Wvdial  and the currently not working modem applet+network monitor.
[08:19] <JairunCaloth> well, it can see it, and it can delete partitions off of it, but not much else
[08:19] <NZheretic> Dial up access is a pig of a system in Ubuntu, even Fedora is easier!
[08:19] <eyequeue> AMCDeathKnight:  um, you're asking me to know a windows command?
[08:19] <kestas> using dial up sucks no matter how you look at it
[08:20] <eyequeue> AMCDeathKnight:  windows has some kind of "fdisk" i'd try that
[08:20] <kestas> AMCDeathKnight: which windows are you using?
[08:20] <AMCDeathKnight> Windows XP Pro, but Windows 98 Boot Disk
[08:20] <kestas> AMCDeathKnight: if youre getting rid of ubuntu first run fixmbr in the command prompt
[08:20] <Orbibal`-> hello all
[08:20] <AMCDeathKnight> the master is windows
[08:20] <kestas> well can you use windows xp recovery console?
[08:20] <AMCDeathKnight> Hey Orbital
[08:21] <AMCDeathKnight> im confused now
[08:21] <Orbibal`-> i installed mplayer and when i press movies in the browser its opening with totem
[08:21] <JairunCaloth> if you are using winXP I know you can do it from your control panel/computer administration
[08:21] <NZheretic> It there a working alternative to the gnome modemlights applet for Hoary that actualy monitors the state of the modem hardware?
[08:21] <Orbibal`-> i am trying to browse to the mplayer directory
[08:21] <Orbibal`-> but i got no clue where it is
[08:21] <kestas> AMCDeathKnight: thats the only way youll be able to get rid of grub
[08:21] <Orbibal`-> i installed it default btw
[08:21] <NZheretic> s/^It/Is/
[08:21] <AMCDeathKnight> but wont formating get rid of grub
[08:21] <kestas> nope
[08:21] <kestas> well if its on a seperate hdd
[08:21] <kestas> and you wipe the whole thing over
[08:21] <JairunCaloth> no, it's installed on your MBR on your boot drive
[08:21] <Orbibal`-> nzehretic,talking to me?
[08:22] <kestas> but just writing a new mbr will do
[08:22] <AMCDeathKnight> I want to delete this drive, and windows after
[08:22] <kestas> using the windows xp recovery console is easier and will take less time
[08:22] <AMCDeathKnight> and then i can install windows, set it up and install ubuntu again and get it to reinstall grub
[08:22] <JairunCaloth> AMC: you want to format your entire computer?
[08:23] <AMCDeathKnight> Yes, my hard drive with Ubuntu and then windows, I know how to format windows, just not the ubuntu drive
[08:23] <NZheretic> Orbibal`- : depends if you have an answer.
[08:23] <Orbibal`-> eh
[08:23] <kestas> AMCDeathKnight: youre doing this the longest way you can possibly do it
[08:23] <Orbibal`-> i got a question
[08:23] <Orbibal`-> not an answer :x
[08:23] <kestas> AMCDeathKnight: why are you uninstalling and reinstalling it all?
[08:23] <AMCDeathKnight> Thats probably as im confused now
[08:23] <kestas> AMCDeathKnight: and why are you wiping the whole drive just to get rid of grub
[08:23] <AMCDeathKnight> because i need to format windows
[08:23] <kestas> AMCDeathKnight: tell us what youre trying to do and well tell you the best way
[08:24] <JairunCaloth> Well do this, put in your windows install disk. Then install it where you want to. Windows setup will format your stuff for you.
[08:24] <AMCDeathKnight> and grub will get in the way and I want to go back to default ubuntu settings anyways
[08:24] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[08:24] <AMCDeathKnight> will it format the ubuntu drive also?
[08:24] <kestas> AMCDeathKnight: if youve got the a windows 98 boot disk in at the moment
[08:24] <kestas> AMCDeathKnight: type format C:
[08:24] <JairunCaloth> you can delete partitions right from the windows setup
[08:24] <kestas> AMCDeathKnight: that will format it will fat32
[08:25] <AMCDeathKnight> I know how to format windows, is formatting the ubuntu drive the same?
[08:25] <kestas> AMCDeathKnight: but using winxp install disk will do better if youre going to be instaling windows xp on it
[08:25] <kestas> AMCDeathKnight: no
[08:25] <kestas> AMCDeathKnight: to format ubuntu youll need to boot into windows xp, I dont know how you do it from a win98 boot disk
[08:25] <heatxsink_> hello all
[08:25] <kestas> AMCDeathKnight: possibly using fdisk
[08:25] <AMCDeathKnight> no, im reinstalling windows xp on the same drive but want to reinstall ubuntu also afterwards
[08:25] <heatxsink_> anyone in here setup lirc before on ubuntu?
[08:25] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[08:26] <AMCDeathKnight> I wil try
[08:26] <JairunCaloth> AMC: you can delete your ubuntu partitions from the disk, but you can't format them for ubuntu. You'll have to use your ubuntu disk to do that
[08:26] <heatxsink_> AMCDeathKnight: if you're running windows, just install VirtualPC, and run ubuntu that way
[08:26] <JairunCaloth> *from your win xp setup disk that is*
[08:26] <heatxsink_> it works great!
[08:26] <AMCDeathKnight> so ubuntu cd formats the drive?
[08:27] <heatxsink_> AMCDeathKnight: I do that at work, cause I can't really install linux there, but it was a great work around, and I think I could seriously couldn't tell the difference
[08:27] <kestas> AMCDeathKnight: just install windows on the drive
[08:27] <kestas> AMCDeathKnight: and when youre formatting the drive to install windows only use half the disk, and leave the rest for ubuntu
[08:27] <AMCDeathKnight> I have 2 seperate hard drives
[08:28] <heatxsink_> anyone, LIRC?
[08:30] <JairunCaloth> never used it
[08:30] <JairunCaloth> anyone use cedega much here?
[08:30] <heatxsink_> i've heard of it
[08:31] <heatxsink_> i can't remember what it is
[08:32] <JairunCaloth> offshoot of wine focused towards gaming
[08:33] <seth> JairunCaloth,  I need to look into that. I showed my girlfriend Ubuntu, and she goes, "It's so pretty! Can I still play The Sims if you install that on my laptop?!"
[08:33] <blake__> i just installed kde over ubuntu what is the default password for kde?
[08:33] <blake__> wait
[08:33] <blake__> wrong room
[08:33] <blake__> or does soeone know
[08:33] <JairunCaloth> seth: It seems to be a pain in the royal arse to configure, but when working it's supposed to work decently
[08:33] <JairunCaloth> no idea blake
[08:34] <JairunCaloth> but I'm a n00b so I don't know anything anyways
[08:34] <benplaut> is there any way to make USB thumbdrives auto-writing, so that they don't have to be ejected before being taken out?
[08:34] <kestas> JairunCaloth: its awful
[08:35] <benplaut> blake__: it should be your regular login password...
[08:35] <JairunCaloth> kestas: cedega is awful?
[08:35] <kestas> yeup
[08:35] <tim_> I am setting up my ubuntu system and Nvidia 6600GT gfx card and X just comes up with a bluescreen
[08:35] <tim_> it doesnt even come up with the Nvidia logo llike it is supposed to
[08:35] <JairunCaloth> The only thing holding me back from going pure linux is the games
[08:35] <JairunCaloth> I've got tons of windos games taht I love to play
[08:35] <kestas> well cedega isnt a solution
[08:35] <benplaut> that's the major flaw with linux...
[08:36] <tim_> any ideas
[08:36] <JairunCaloth> well cedega seems to be the closest thing to a solution I've seen so far
[08:36] <kestas> tim_: we need to see /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:36] <kestas> tim_: we need to see /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[08:36] <LISP> no, cedega isn't the solution
[08:36] <JairunCaloth> or the wine with the directex stuff
[08:36] <LISP> linux native games are :P
[08:36] <LISP> unreal&co
[08:36] <JairunCaloth> well yea.... but right now all my games are windos
[08:37] <kestas> yeup ut2004 and doom3
[08:37] <kestas> JairunCaloth: you wont be able to play 99% of them
[08:37] <LISP> the more the merrier
[08:37] <tim_> kestas: it is complaining about being able to initialize the nvidia module
[08:37] <LISP> for games that is...
[08:37] <Agrajag> too bad girls like playing the sims and not doom 3
[08:37] <kestas> and 100% will be buggy as hell
[08:37] <JairunCaloth> hehe
[08:37] <Agrajag> as a broad generalization
[08:37] <JairunCaloth> I just want to get a few of them running under linux really
[08:37] <JairunCaloth> mainly star wars galaxies
[08:37] <kestas> JairunCaloth: forget it it aint gonna happen
[08:38] <tim_> kestas: what specifically are you looking for
[08:38] <JairunCaloth> supposedly cedega is supposed to run it
[08:38] <seth> Agrajag,  I was about to say. Mine can kick my ass in Q3 and CS.
[08:38] <tim_> kestas: i have never seen the nvidia driver do this before
[08:38] <kestas> /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old specifically
[08:38] <tim_> even the nv driver wont bring up X with the card, maybe it is because it is PCI-X
[08:38] <JairunCaloth> everyone needs to release their games for linux too
[08:38] <Agrajag> seth: the only girl I know who has UT gets physically sick when she plays it
[08:38] <JairunCaloth> it should be law
[08:38] <Agrajag> so I kick her ass 8)
[08:38] <kestas> JairunCaloth: if they say it runs it, that means that after hours of messing around with it itll play with only a few crippling bugs
[08:38] <JairunCaloth> lol
[08:38] <seth> Agrajag,  yeah, mine plays UT2k4, but I don't, so yeah.
[08:39] <tim_> kestas: .old says to initialized nvidia module, and it says screens found, but none have a usable configuration
[08:39] <LISP> just outb of curiosity: how many of you are using breezy repos?
[08:40] <kestas> tim_: could you just paste it in pastebin.com so I can take a looksee
[08:40] <ofir> how can i get infrared - support??
[08:40] <JairunCaloth> I wanna play my games from linux. Now I have to install windoze on my other HDD
[08:40] <tim_> tim_: kestas that would be kind of tough at the moment
[08:40] <tim_> err
[08:40] <kestas> JairunCaloth: youll cry harder after spending 2 days trying to get cedega working
[08:40] <tim_> kestas: i am at a terminal with no gpm support atm
[08:41] <ofir> has anyone infrared??
[08:41] <kestas> cant you nc yourcomputer.yourlan.net 500 < Xorg.0.log.old
[08:41] <tim_> i guess.
[08:41] <tim_> actually
[08:41] <tim_> no i cant
[08:41] <tim_> I am blocked by nat
[08:42] <JairunCaloth> kestas: I have...
[08:42] <kestas> well its gonna be pretty hard to diagnose the probs without xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log.old
[08:42] <kestas> havent we all?
[08:42] <kestas> damn pipe dream
[08:42] <kestas> never gonna happen
[08:42] <kestas> maybe you can get star wars bombad racing
[08:42] <kestas> but try soldat or something good
[08:42] <JairunCaloth> If I can get that one game to run I'll be happy
[08:43] <ofir> is there a program for Infrared??
[08:43] <kestas> if you want to play that one game, that one game wont work
[08:43] <kestas> or crash juuust as the game loads up the first level
[08:43] <tim_> kestas: well, has anyone experience hardlockups with nv6600GT card and the driver on amd64?
[08:43] <JairunCaloth> I tried to install NFSU: 2 earlier
[08:43] <kestas> ofir: infrared can be in serial ports or usb ports or just about anything
[08:43] <kestas> ofir: youre being too vague
[08:43] <JairunCaloth> told me I needed DX9.0c
[08:44] <JairunCaloth> when I tried to install said DX version it wouldn't install
[08:44] <JairunCaloth> :-/
[08:44] <kestas> cedega can play solitair and minesweeper with only a few glitches
[08:45] <kestas> but thats about it
[08:45] <JairunCaloth> lol
[08:45] <JairunCaloth> well I guess I have to backup my 10 gig and format it for windows
[08:45] <Agrajag> kestas: come on, stop telling these guys outright lies
[08:45] <Agrajag> I've played GTA vice city with it
[08:45] <Agrajag> a bit slower than in windows but playable
[08:45] <kestas> Im sorry Agrajag .. no cedega cant really play solitair or minesweeper either
[08:45] <JairunCaloth> Well, SWG caps at 30 fps anyways
[08:45] <Agrajag> also a couple of older quake2-engine games
[08:45] <Agrajag> oh ok
[08:45] <bgcboyus> Is it possible to enable the administration on cups
[08:45] <Agrajag> whatever you say man
[08:46] <rixth> I can't plkay SOME WMV movies. TOtem can't tell me the video codec but it says the audio codec is WMA version TWO. I installed apt-get install avifile-player w32codecs and it still doesnt worki.
[08:46] <kestas> rixth: try mplayer
[08:46] <kestas> with the codecs from the mplayer website
[08:46] <Amaranth> bgcboyus: You mean http://localhost:631? If so, run this from a terminal: sudo adduser cupsys shadow && sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[08:46] <ivoks> Amaranth: ?!
[08:47] <Amaranth> ivoks: ?
[08:47] <ivoks> Amaranth: why add cupsys to shadow?
[08:47] <bgcboyus> Amaranth tried it
[08:47] <Agrajag> Amaranth: uh, I'm pretty sure you need to add a root password to use the cups admin tool
[08:47] <nickrud> Amaranth, is that on the wiki anywhere?
[08:47] <Amaranth> ivoks: So the web admin works. You disable it when you're done.
[08:47] <Amaranth> nickrud: Probably not.
[08:47] <bgcboyus> No
[08:47] <ivoks> Amaranth: no, that's not the way!
[08:47] <rixth> kestas, mplay I can't apt get it, I get dfependancy hell.
[08:47] <Amaranth> bgcboyus: When it asks for a username and password put in your own.
[08:47] <ivoks> Amaranth: open /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[08:48] <ivoks> Amaranth: search for AuthBasic
[08:48] <kestas> rixth: well youre gonna have hell getting totem to do it
[08:48] <ivoks> pardon, AuthType
[08:48] <kestas> Im not even sure it can be done
[08:48] <Amaranth> ivoks: This is what the ubuntu-devel list said to do. ;)
[08:48] <ivoks> Amaranth: they said wrong
[08:48] <rixth> libxvidcore4: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[08:48] <rixth> etc etc
[08:48] <ivoks> it's stoopid to add cupsys to shadow
[08:48] <ivoks> security risk and pointless
[08:49] <Amaranth> ivoks: How is it a security risk? You add it to shadow for at most 5 minutes.
[08:49] <bgcboyus> how do you remove cupsys from shadow
[08:49] <Amaranth> sudo deluser cupsys shadow
[08:50] <ivoks> stoopid stoopid stoopid
[08:50] <ivoks> you should allways first reconfigure app, then system
[08:50] <hayden> i just got a 350mhz p2 with 64mb, could gnome run on that?
[08:50] <hayden> 64mb ram*
[08:50] <ivoks> hayden: yes, if it's mac
[08:50] <Amaranth> hayden: I doubt it.
[08:50] <ivoks> but it's pc, so i'm not sure
[08:51] <ivoks> Amaranth: don't tell people to do that with shadow
[08:51] <Amaranth> ivoks: Whether or not it's a Mac has nothing to do with the fact that 192MB of RAM is the usable minimum for running X and GNOME.
[08:51] <ivoks> Amaranth: it's better to coment AuthType and AuthClass in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[08:52] <rixth> I installed totem-xine instead of gstreamer and its all good
[08:52] <ivoks> Amaranth: i runed Gnome and OSX on 64MB g3
[08:52] <Amaranth> ivoks: I bet it ran like crap too.
[08:52] <ivoks> well, it was runing :)
[08:52] <hayden> would xfce make much difference?
[08:52] <ivoks> hayden: use blackbos
[08:52] <ivoks> hayden: use blackbox
[08:53] <ivoks> time to go...
[08:53] <ivoks> bye all
[08:53] <ElBarono> wtf is wrong with firefox in ubuntu
[08:53] <ivoks> ElBarono: extensions?
[08:53] <Amaranth> ElBarono: What do you mean?
[08:53] <ElBarono> mine works for about 15 minutes and then slows to a crawl
[08:53] <ivoks> ah..
[08:53] <ivoks> bye
[08:54] <ElBarono> there is about a 3 second delay when typing urls
[08:54] <Amaranth> ElBarono: And it doesn't in debian?
[08:54] <ElBarono> well, I use unstabl so it's 1.0.4, but it never happened on any of my debian boxes
[08:55] <ElBarono> is bb any better than sawfish w/ gnome?  I am getting irritated at the focus problems I've been having
[08:56] <Encrypted> anyone here use an ASUS A8-VED motherboard ? on 64bit
[08:56] <eyequeue> ElBarono:  a thought, what does top say after those 15 minutes?
[08:56] <Cybermagellan> kestas, hey thanks...I'm back
[08:56] <tim_> how do i tell ubuntu to NOT load an fbdev module?
[08:56] <ElBarono> eyequeue, there is no load, no cpu usage
[08:56] <ElBarono> no iowwait
[08:56] <eyequeue> ElBarono:  hmm
[08:57] <eyequeue> ElBarono:  what app is chewing up resources, anything?
[08:57] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: How goes PearPC things? :)
[08:57] <ElBarono> nothing, as far as I can tell
[08:57] <eyequeue> ElBarono:  weird
[08:57] <Cybermagellan> Amaranth, funny seeing you here....
[08:57] <kestas> Cybermagellan: you get nvidia working?
[08:57] <eyequeue> ElBarono:  i'm not seeing similar here, with 1.0.4 also
[08:58] <Cybermagellan> I haven't messed with PearPC since getting a real mac
[08:58] <tim_> I noticed Ubuntu loads fb modules automatically
[08:58] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: I kinda have to stick around, I'm an op. :)
[08:58] <benplaut> you know? the only advantage Gnome has over KDE is the speed
[08:58] <tim_> how do i tell it not to?
[08:58] <Cybermagellan> kestas, well I DNR'd and did it properly
[08:58] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: I haven't messed with it since I got Ubuntu. I still post on the list from time to time though.
[08:58] <Cybermagellan> Amaranth, hehe, so was I....I just left
[08:58] <Cybermagellan> Yeah I read
[08:58] <kestas> I got pearpc working the other day
[08:58] <Cybermagellan> I still get the list....funny about CherryOS
[08:58] <Amaranth> heh
[08:59] <Cybermagellan> kestas, Amaranth and myself have been "around" since 0.1
[08:59] <ElBarono> eyequeue: I'm seeing the problem with 1.0.2
[08:59] <nickrud> benplaut, all of us with slower machines have noticed :)
[08:59] <ElBarono> there is no 1.0.4 in ubuntu
[08:59] <Amaranth> I still get way too many visitors for that silly Win32 networking guide.
[08:59] <kestas> back when it was 500x slower?
[08:59] <eyequeue> ElBarono:  i'm on breezy
[08:59] <fabbione> ElBarono: yes there is.. breezy dude :)
[08:59] <ElBarono> eyequeue: it's not in breezy as far as I can tell
[08:59] <Cybermagellan> kestas, yeah...
[08:59] <eyequeue> ElBarono:  just today
[08:59] <ElBarono> maybe I need to add something to my sources
[08:59] <Amaranth> kestas: My Panther install took 17 hours (iirc) on 0.1.
[08:59] <Cybermagellan> when you took a day to install OSX
[08:59] <fabbione> ElBarono: pkg firefox :)
[08:59] <fabbione> ElBarono: it's in main
[08:59] <ElBarono> oh
[08:59] <Cybermagellan> Yeah....hehe
[08:59] <eyequeue> ElBarono:  yeah, new package name
[09:00] <kestas> Cybermagellan: what mac did you get?
[09:00] <ElBarono> topic says not to use breezy heh
[09:00] <Cybermagellan> I bought a blueberry G3 from a friend at work....
[09:00] <fabbione> ElBarono: defenitely not for the next 2 days
[09:00] <fabbione> ElBarono: C++ transition
[09:00] <Amaranth> ElBarono: It's in a C++ transition, breakages.
[09:00] <Cybermagellan> my wife hates OSX so I installed Ubuntu on it
[09:00] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: You should be shot. :/
[09:00] <eyequeue> ElBarono:  here's a thought though, the difference between what you have and what i had yesterday:  probably, extensions
[09:00] <HrdwrBoB> my wife loves ubuntu :)
[09:00] <tim_> what does ubuntu use to handle modloading?
[09:00] <johnnybezak> hey guys are there any graphic tools for turning stuff like sshd on off?
[09:00] <tim_> it loads too much stuff on boot
[09:00] <Cybermagellan> Amaranth, yeah I know...
[09:01] <tim_> i dont want it to load the fbdev stuff when it  boots, it is causing problems
[09:01] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: Although I'd probably install Ubuntu too, just because I want to keep working on smeg and pymusique.
[09:01] <nickrud> I've been away for a bit, is there a  recent roadmap for breezy available?
[09:01] <Cybermagellan> Amaranth, I ran across AndreBSD in the channel on #winbeta
[09:01] <Cybermagellan> It's funny seeing people around on IRC
[09:01] <Cybermagellan> it's kinda like friends from highschool
[09:02] <ElBarono> sup fabbione
[09:02] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: heh, i run into mmu_man on osnews. Did you know he works for YellowTab? I guess that explains the BeOS porting.
[09:02] <kevin06> I guess I have a silly question. Is there any way I can lock icons to a specific place on my desktop, so that when I clean it up, they are not moved?
[09:03] <kestas> not in nautilus
[09:03] <Cybermagellan> Amaranth, hehe, no I didn't...YellowTab or YellowTip? I hang out in the Mozilla Community now....working on a Firefox evangilism
[09:04] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: yellowTAB, they make Zeta (what BeOS 6 would have been, 5 years ago).
[09:04] <ElBarono> I don't run any extensions
[09:04] <ElBarono> btw
[09:04] <Cybermagellan> Ah, :-$ not too worried about it....
[09:04] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: Instead of emulating OS X on Linux or Windows I bring the best parts to linux now. :)
[09:05] <Cybermagellan> Hehe...cool...
[09:05] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: Have you seen PyMusique? https://fuware.net/pymusique/
[09:05] <eyequeue> ElBarono:  i can't think what other difference there would be between yours and mine.  platform perhaps?
[09:05] <Cybermagellan> Hey question for everyone....if I wanted to install a program on linux where is the best folder to put that in?
[09:05] <Cybermagellan> Amaranth, nope...
[09:05] <Cybermagellan> lemme look
[09:05] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: Your prefix should be /usr/local/
[09:05] <Cybermagellan> Cool....
[09:05] <kestas> Cybermagellan: ~/programs
[09:05] <eyequeue> Cybermagellan:  /usr/local/bin is probably what you want
[09:06] <ElBarono> i686
[09:06] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: For installing things that didn't come from a deb, I mean.
[09:06] <eyequeue> ElBarono:  ditto
[09:06] <kevin06> kestas, do you know of other file managers that do?
[09:06] <fabbione> ElBarono: tired to death and you?
[09:07] <johnnybezak> how do i turn sshd on off and how do i configure it?
[09:07] <ElBarono> fabbione: not much..  just hanging out.
[09:07] <kestas> nope fraid not
[09:07] <fabbione> ElBarono: eehe
[09:07] <eyequeue> johnnybezak:  /etc/init.d/ssh stop (or start) and ... edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[09:07] <kestas> kevin06: find out where the icons locations are stored, youll probably be able to work something out
[09:07] <johnnybezak> eyequeue: thanks
[09:07] <kevin06> kestas, thanks.
[09:08] <eyequeue> johnnybezak:  np
[09:08] <kestas> heheh np
[09:08] <ElBarono> fabbione: have you been following this ridiculous discussion on d-leal?
[09:08] <ElBarono> legal
[09:08] <Cybermagellan> Amaranth, an interface to iTunes through Linux?
[09:08] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: Yep. :)
[09:08] <fabbione> ElBarono: about what? i am not subbed to -legal
[09:08] <ElBarono> heh
[09:08] <ElBarono> beween Raul Miller and Mike Edwards
[09:08] <ElBarono> it's pretty amusing
[09:08] <eyequeue> ElBarono:  now i'm curious, what's the current flap on -legal?
[09:08] <fabbione> no i didn't....
[09:09] <Cybermagellan> Aren't you a tad bit worried about a lawsuit?
[09:09] <fabbione> ElBarono: what's the thread?
[09:09] <ElBarono> eyequeue: just some stupid bs..
[09:09] <ElBarono> there are a few different threads
[09:09] <eyequeue> gpl is no longer free enough? ;)
[09:09] <ElBarono> Subject: Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?
[09:09] <ElBarono> that's one of them
[09:09] <fabbione> ahha
[09:10] <johnnybezak> eyequeue: there is no ssh in my init.d folder
[09:10] <ElBarono> so is blackbox btter than sawfish or what
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[09:10] <ElBarono> w/ gnome
[09:10] <eyequeue> i've desubbed from that list, come back a few months later, and found the same threads still being fought over :/
[09:11] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu uses swsusp2 for hibernate, true ?
[09:11] <Amaranth> ElBarono: Yeah, we can't clone things, that's copyright-infringement. Might as well toss the kernel and most of the stuff above it then.
[09:11] <ElBarono> it's an annoying list
[09:11] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: no
[09:11] <Cybermagellan> Amaranth, aren't you a tad bit concerned about a lawsuit?
[09:11] <eyequeue> johnnybezak:  sudo apt-get install ssh-server
[09:11] <verden01> Hi has anyone installed kubuntu-desktop with ubuntu?
[09:11] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: hey! u r the person i was looking for :) --- then what does it use ?
[09:11] <fabbione> ElBarono: i am bored already bored after 2 messages :)
[09:11] <da_bon_bon> verden01: /join #kubuntu
[09:11] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: Not really, the most they can do is disable my account.
[09:12] <eyequeue> verden01:  not i, but yes it's very doable i'm told
[09:12] <fabbione> da_bon_bon swsusp
[09:12] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: what is in the vanilla kernel
[09:12] <ElBarono> fabbione: yeah
[09:12] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: ohok... so every kernel has it ?
[09:12] <bluemax> has anyone gotten NSV files to play in any linux video app?
[09:12] <ElBarono> it's pretty dumb..  basically two people who either have no hope of understanding each other, or are deliberately trying not to
[09:12] <eyequeue> johnnybezak:  my bad, that shoud be:  sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[09:13] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: yes
[09:13] <johnnybezak> eyequeue: theyre synonymous i think
[09:13] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: what would you say is better ? swsusp or swsusp2 ?
[09:13] <Cybermagellan> Amaranth, hmm, I don't care to pay for music anyways
[09:13] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: swsusp2 is not upstream hence swsusp
[09:13] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: "now upstream" ?
[09:13] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: Besides, I'm working with DVDJon himself, no one wants to try to go after him again. ;)
[09:14] <verden01> da_bon_bon, its all the same just a different desktop enviroment
[09:14] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: I'd prefer breaking the law as little as possible.
[09:14] <da_bon_bon> verden01: have a look at the topic
[09:14] <metasquier> Can anyone help me, some funky stuff happened, all of a sudden Ubuntu says that it cant find my mixer_applet and it has deleted it, now I have no sound at all
[09:14] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: i wrote NOT upstream
[09:14] <fabbione> so there is no better or worste.. there is only one choise
[09:14] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: but whats "not upstream" ?? upstream where ?
[09:14] <verden01> i only asked a question that relates to UBUNTU
[09:14] <alexandre> hi
[09:14] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: swsups2 is not upstream at kernel.org
[09:15] <verden01> do u have a problem with that
[09:15] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: ok.. u mean not included in the vanilla kernel
[09:15] <metasquier> Can anyone help me, some funky stuff happened, all of a sudden Ubuntu says that it cant find my mixer_applet and it has deleted it, now I have no sound at all
[09:15] <alexandre> i'm looking for the description of the jpg format, any idea?
[09:15] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: that is upstream, yes
[09:15] <HrdwrBoB> alexandre: in the libjpg-dev package...
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: so.. given a chance, would u switch over to swsusp2 ?
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: and, how do i enable swsusp ? where in menuconfig ?
[09:16] <eyequeue> verden01:  are you transferring any large files now?
[09:17] <Cybermagellan> Amaranth, DVDJon?
[09:17] <metasquier> can anyone help me with my lil mixer problem?
[09:17] <verden01> yeah
[09:17] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: You've never heard of him?!?
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> Cybermagellan: shame on u!
[09:17] <verden01> i'm installing kubuntu-desktop
[09:17] <eyequeue> verden01:  okay, that explains the lag then, phew :)
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> Cybermagellan: dvdcss2
[09:17] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: no i am not going to as explained on bugzilla
[09:17] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: it's already enabled in ubuntu kernels
[09:17] <verden01> and i can only get dialup in my location
[09:18] <verden01> :(
[09:18] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lech_Johansen
[09:18] <Cybermagellan> Amaranth, da_bon_bon , I just started using Ubuntu about a month or so ago
[09:18] <metasquier> can someone please tell me why Gnome has deleted my mixer applet, and why because of that there is now no more sound
[09:18] <eyequeue> verden01:  been there, done that (and could only get 26.4 with the lines) my sympathies
[09:19] <verden01> i'm basically new to gnome as i have only used kde
[09:19] <verden01> lol
[09:19] <metasquier> gutted
[09:19] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: of course.. but where in kernels other than ubuntu ? say, for a different os ?
[09:19] <verden01> eyequeue, yeah i usually get 45333
[09:19] <nickrud> metasquier, there can be a multitude of reasons; have you just installed/uninstalled something, for instance.
[09:19] <eyequeue> verden01:  just a thought for the future ... save your big fetches for while you sleep, sudo apt-get -d install kubuntu-desktop
[09:20] <verden01> but apt is good for a download manager
[09:20] <metasquier> nickrud, yes thats right, I had some problems with broken packages before
[09:20] <eyequeue> verden01:  then in the morning it will be all ready for you to omit the -d :)
[09:20] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: there is no menuentry iirc
[09:20] <metasquier> nickrud, but even if I restart the comptuer it still complained
[09:20] <fabbione> it's part of PM and ACPI'
[09:20] <nickrud> metasquier, complained about what, exactly.
[09:20] <verden01> k i've never heard of -d b4
[09:20] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: aah, got it! -- CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND --
[09:20] <eyequeue> verden01:  == --download-only
[09:21] <metasquier> nickrud, that mixer_applet was missing, and it asked me if I wanted to delete it or somthing, I can't actually regenerate the exact wording because It has deleted it now
[09:21] <verden01> yeah its cool i know what you mean
[09:21] <verden01> synaptic has that option as well
[09:22] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: practically, i dont think swsusp or swsusp2 would make any difference.. true ?
[09:23] <metasquier> nickrud, do you know how to test if the sound card is working? or how to find the root of the problem?
[09:23] <verden01> i must admit that gnome has gotten a lot better since i last played with it
[09:24] <metasquier> verden01, yeah gnome is nice, KDE is too much like a breakable glass ball, looks nice but too fragile
[09:24] <metasquier> lol
[09:24] <nickrud> metasquier, try lsof | grep /dev/dsp
[09:24] <eyequeue> verden01:  the nice thing about ubuntu, you'll always be running the latest stable version of gnome, withing a week or so of release
[09:24] <metasquier> nickrud, alright
[09:24] <hayden> hey verden01
[09:24] <verden01> hey hayden
[09:25] <verden01> eyequeue, cool
[09:26] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: can u help me configure software suspend on other kernels ? or not now ?
[09:26] <metasquier> nickrud, oh I found the lil problem, somthing was muted, I just used alsamixer to unmute it :) thanks anyway
[09:28] <eyequeue> nickrud:  apt-get install worldpeace ?
[09:28] <JairunCaloth> nah... apt-get install b33r
[09:29] <nickrud> eyequeue, my machine would be acceptable :)
[09:29] <Amaranth> haha, syscon thinks they got DoS attacked
[09:29] <Amaranth> they call that a slashdotting
[09:29] <JairunCaloth> the slashdot effect
[09:29] <eyequeue> /. is a fairly effective ddos, even if transient
[09:30] <JairunCaloth> true... it will bring many servers to their knees
[09:30] <da_bon_bon> how to test it ?
[09:30] <Amaranth> eyequeue: millions of hits to the page from all over the world but no one actualy read the article ;)
[09:30] <da_bon_bon>  /. ?
[09:30] <snbob> hey with lynx you can't compose mail in yahoo mail? it gives Unsupported URL scheme
[09:30] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  lol, true, it's /. after all ;)
[09:31] <eyequeue> da_bon_bon:  http://slashdot.org
[09:31] <JairunCaloth> news for geeks, stuff that matters
[09:31] <JairunCaloth> or something like that
[09:31] <kevmif> hi all - whats the default su password for ubuntu?
[09:31] <NicP> news for nerds
[09:31] <snbob> is my lynx missing some plugin or something?
[09:31] <eyequeue> snbob:  it supports http ftp news and telnet, but nope, no mailto
[09:31] <JairunCaloth> nerds.... geeks... same thing
[09:31] <athlon> dupes for nerds...
[09:31] <eyequeue> snbob:  oh, and gopher, can't forget gopher
[09:32] <kevmif> ...ubuntu 5.04 that is
[09:32] <da_bon_bon> kevmif: su is disabled by defualt. use sudo
[09:32] <kevin06> I am having crash issues with nautilus, and it does not have a feature I consider REALLY important (the ability to lock icons to a specific place on the desktop) and I am considering using something other than Nautilus. First off, is this a BAD move for me (not to knowledgeable about Linux) and what others can you recommend?
[09:32] <kevmif> how can you enable su ?
[09:32] <kevmif> in fact - how can you WORK  without su?
[09:32] <eyequeue> kevman:  sudo
[09:33] <da_bon_bon> kevmif: read the wiki
[09:33] <eyequeue> kevman:  sudo command here, then enter your user password
[09:33] <nickrud> don't forget fidonet
[09:33] <kevmif> where might i find the wiki?
[09:33] <athlon> I think you can still do : sudo su
[09:33] <eyequeue> nickrud:  but lynx isn't FTN-compatible, oddly, heh
[09:34] <eyequeue> athlon:  sudo -s, if you want
[09:34] <kevmif> ok - very n00b question - whats sudo?
[09:34] <eyequeue> sudo (8)             - execute a command as another user
[09:34] <Amaranth> and the sneakernet
[09:34] <eyequeue> typically as root
[09:34] <JairunCaloth> sudo su..... what the heck does that do
[09:35] <kevmif> so sudo -i will do it?
[09:35] <seth> Hey guys. Anyone know of a guide for setting up PCMCIA and wireless?
[09:35] <eyequeue> kevmif:  oh, the wiki question, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[09:35] <Cybermagellan> sudo su gives you root access in a Terminal
[09:35] <JairunCaloth> isn't sudo simpiler?
[09:35] <eyequeue> kevmif:  sudo -s
[09:35] <Dethread|sleep> yeah, it's all about "sudo -s" :)
[09:36] <nickrud> eyequeue, never realized that fidonet had a standard.
[09:36] <da_bon_bon> kevmif: if u really want root -- "sudo su -"
[09:36] <kevmif> eyequeue: Warning: sudo -s doesn't change the environment variables ($HOME, $PATH etc). It can have some bad side effects. You can use sudo -i to initialize a full root environment.
[09:36] <da_bon_bon> kevmif: if u really want root -- "sudo su -"
[09:36] <eyequeue> kevmif:  sudo -si then i guess
[09:36] <da_bon_bon> sudo su - will initialize everthyin properly, kevmif
[09:36] <seth> Anyone have a good guide for setting up PCMCIA and wireless?
[09:36] <kevmif> thanks for that
[09:36] <JairunCaloth> I know why everyone keeps windows.... when you've been drinking, it's so much easier to use :-p
[09:37] <eyequeue> nickrud:  i'm an old-tyme sysop :)
[09:37] <eyequeue> aka node
[09:37] <JairunCaloth> no thought required hehe
[09:37] <nickrud> eyequeue, then have you ever used minibin? ;p
[09:37] <da_bon_bon> bye all
[09:37] <da_bon_bon> cya later
[09:37] <kevin06> JairunCaloth, you'd have to be drunk to keep running Windoze.
[09:38] <eyequeue> nickrud:  rings a vague bell, but perhaps not, what is/was it?
[09:38] <sjohnson> hey dudes, how do i get the kernel source that for the kernel version that comes with Hoary?
[09:38] <JairunCaloth> well I'm obviously not that drunk... I'm runinng linuz
[09:38] <JairunCaloth> erm... linux
[09:38] <nickrud> eyequeue, it was a puget sound specific bbs, back when you could read your baud rate.
[09:38] <sjohnson> running vmlinuz
[09:38] <IIIEars> kevmif, - wow! - nice tip.
[09:39] <Amaranth> sudo -sH will give you a root terminal with your $HOME set correctly
[09:39] <bgcboyus> This is crazy I got My all in one to scan but I can't print
[09:39] <sjohnson> anyone how how to get the Kernel src tree for ubuntu?
[09:39] <IIIEars> built some stuff earlier - more than a few errors
[09:39] <eyequeue> sjohnson:  sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[09:39] <nickrud> eyequeue, eskimo north is the residue of the network.
[09:40] <eyequeue> sjohnson: then look in /usr/src for a tarball to unpack
[09:40] <Dethread|sleep> some nethack before bed won't hurt...
[09:40] <eyequeue> nickrud:  cool
[09:40] <athlon> hmm, which sudo version do you guys use ? I can use neither sudo -sH nor sudo -i, though sudo -s works
[09:40] <sjohnson> eyequeue: thanks bro
[09:40] <Amaranth> hmm, hail
[09:40] <eyequeue> sjohnson: np
[09:41] <Amaranth> ooh, pretty lightning
[09:41] <kevin06> Maybe I am under a false assumption. Does Nautilus handle my desktop icons?
[09:42] <kevin06> Standard Hoary install.
[09:42] <toshi> kikoo UBUNTU 5.04 on a Toshiba portg 7020CT wifi lynksys wpc56 works :)))))))
[09:42] <nickrud> kevin06, yes
[09:42] <snbob> is there an X version of lynx or is lynx just for console?
[09:42] <kevin06> nickrud, thanks.
[09:42] <bgcboyus> snbob try lynx2
[09:42] <eyequeue> snbob:  xterm -e lynx ;) (cli app only)
[09:43] <snbob> eyequeue k thanks
[09:43] <kevin06> nickrud, if I was trying to replace nautilus, what kind of program would i be looking for?
[09:43] <snbob> eyequeue just xterm , will konsole do?
[09:43] <bgcboyus> I am about to pull my hair out over this all in one orinter
[09:43] <kevin06> nickrud, as in one that also handles my desktop icons.
[09:44] <nickrud> kevin06, there's a lot of replacements, it really depends on what you want.
[09:44] <eyequeue> snbob:  though i don't have that, i'm pretty sure it has to have a -e (man konsole, or just try it)
[09:44] <kevin06> nickrud, anything that supports locking icons on a specific place.
[09:45] <nickrud> kevin06, you mean, you tell a particular icon to lock it's positition,and when you select clean up icons, it doesn't move with the rest?
[09:46] <eyequeue> icon superglue
[09:46] <kevin06> nickrud, exactly.
[09:46] <IIIEars> icon-tact cement?
[09:46] <kevin06> nickrud, I am also having Nautilus crash a few times a day, and it isn't always restarting.
[09:48] <kevin06> icon-tact?
[09:48] <nickrud> kevin06, I usually fall back to <alt>f2 'killall nautils' ; it nearly always works :)
[09:48] <eyequeue> a pun
[09:48] <IIIEars> nvm (sleep deprived)
[09:48] <eyequeue> what's the killall for the top and bottom menubars again?
[09:49] <nickrud> gnome-panel
[09:49] <eyequeue> thanks
[09:49] <kevin06> nickrud, the lack of ability to lock icons is my primary reason for switching. I can deal with crashes. LOL
[09:49] <nickrud> kevin06, there is no such animal in my experience.
[09:50] <kevin06> nickrud, well, that is saddening...
[09:50] <IIIEars> sudo -i ./configure && make app_source.file  - should build something no? - (guessing i munged the gcc path statement)
[09:51] <eyequeue> IIIEars:  typically you don't want to compile as root, just make install as root
[09:51] <yahalom> anyway i can install ubuntu without a desktop?
[09:51] <nickrud> kevin06, if someone gives me that, and 'save selected tabs as a new bookmark folder' in epipany, my current workspace would be nearly useable.
[09:52] <hayden> yahalom: you mean without X and a window manager?
[09:52] <eyequeue> yahalom:  yes, select server installation from the expert option on the install cd
[09:52] <IIIEars> Okay - Thank You.
[09:52] <kevmif> ummmm sudo su still prompts for a password? wtf?
[09:52] <yahalom> i want to install it on a pentium 1 so gnome wont work, so i want to install xfce4
[09:52] <kevin06> nickrud, Hmmm. I think I will write a faetures request to the developers...
[09:52] <eyequeue> yahalom:  press the various f keys when the cd first boots
[09:53] <janga> hello everybody. Ubuntu wont install on my Epia V. kernel panic. Does it run on Via processors?
[09:53] <nickrud> IIIEars, you only need to use sudo when you do make install ; ./configure and make can be run as yourself.
[09:53] <eyequeue> yahalom:  server is fairly basic, then you can use apt or aptitude or dselect to install whatever else you want
[09:53] <Raskall> who do I talk to to get 0.84 of the clamav packages into hoary?
[09:53] <hayden> yahalom: when boot: appears type server then push enter
[09:54] <yahalom> so i need an internet connection?
[09:54] <kevmif> how do you get root access to the system if there is no root accout?
[09:54] <yahalom> they dont have one :(
[09:54] <eyequeue> kevmif:  sudo
[09:54] <Raskall> freshclam telles me that my clamav is outdated and I have actually lost functionality level.
[09:54] <benplaut> kevmif: in terminal, type "sudo <something>
[09:54] <sjohnson> has anyone installed the Nvidia NForce drivers for linux successfully?
[09:54] <sjohnson> with Ubuntu?
[09:54] <sjohnson> has anyone installed the Nvidia NForce drivers for linux successfully?
[09:54] <sjohnson> with Ubuntu?
[09:54] <nickrud> kevmif, there is a root account, it just doesn't have a password,
[09:54] <kevmif> eyequeue:  it asks for a password! there is no root account, so there is no root password!
[09:55] <sjohnson> has anyone installed Nvidia Nforce drivers successfully with Ubuntu?
[09:55] <yahalom> eyequeue, ?
[09:55] <sjohnson> kevmif: sudo passwd root
[09:55] <eyequeue> kevmif:  sudo asks for *your* user password
[09:55] <kevmif> ohhhhhhhhhhhhh.
[09:55] <Echelon-H> Hi all
[09:55] <yahalom> eyequeue, would that give me a complete os? jsut without gnome?
[09:55] <odyssey> single user mode means only one person can login? or just no x?
[09:55] <Echelon-H> lol yahalom :P
[09:55] <Echelon-H> lama lo diamond?
[09:55] <kevmif> HANG ON! doesnt that make it VERY insecure?
[09:55] <yahalom> Echelon-H, odd situation ;)
[09:56] <Echelon-H> Anyways, I've heard of Ubuntu lately.
[09:56] <yahalom> Echelon-H, lama ken? :)
[09:56] <Echelon-H> Can you give me some basic details?
[09:56] <eyequeue> yahalom:  yes, it's the foundation for installing apache or mysql or whatever (where you don't want a gui) ... and yes, you'll want internet access to fetch other packages
[09:56] <janga> Has anyone experience with ubuntu on Via processors?
[09:56] <eyequeue> kevmif:  no-root is a security feature actually
[09:56] <yahalom> Echelon-H, based on debian
[09:57] <Echelon-H> How much space do I need on the HDD?
[09:57] <yahalom> Echelon-H, works with apt & synaptic
[09:57] <kevmif> ok - I am being told that sudo su <userpassword> is not working
[09:57] <yahalom> Echelon-H, installs in about 20 minutes
[09:57] <yahalom> Echelon-H, has a live-cd
[09:57] <eyequeue> odyssey:  both
[09:57] <Echelon-H> Yeah, but how much space do I need on my HDD...
[09:57] <IIIEars> easily editing source and building an app is a real shock. - (hugs his Linux box)
[09:57] <yahalom> Echelon-H, how much space do u have?
[09:58] <eyequeue> kevmif:  sudo <commandhere> <enter>
[09:58] <nickrud> Echelon-H, about 6GB will be enough to test it.
[09:58] <sjohnson> has anyone installed Nvidia Nforce drivers successfully with Ubuntu?
[09:58] <Echelon-H> Right now 4 ggs, but It doesn't really matter, I can have more.
[09:58] <Raskall> hmm.. breezy has 0.85 of the clamav packages.
[09:58] <kevmif> eyequeue: but what if u need access to the root environment?
[09:58] <eyequeue> kevmif:  it will then ask you for a password, separately
[09:58] <odyssey> what runlevel doesnt start x but permits multiple users?
[09:58] <Echelon-H> Ok
[09:58] <eyequeue> kevmif:  sudo -s
[09:58] <IIIEars> Ubuntu :)
[09:58] <Echelon-H> And when I install it, can I make partitions / dual-boot so I wont lose my Win?
[09:58] <yahalom> Echelon-H, that should be enough
[09:58] <yahalom> right??
[09:59] <eyequeue> odyssey:  runlevels are not used that way in debian
[09:59] <nickrud> Echelon-H, 4GB is enough to look :0
[09:59] <Echelon-H> K, got that...
[09:59] <Echelon-H> But i had another question. :P
[09:59] <odyssey> eyequeue, so there is no way to start ubuntu without x? just by changing the runlevel?
[10:00] <yahalom> Echelon-H, "1.8 GB for a standard Ubuntu desktop system, or at least 350 MB for a minimal custom installation.
[10:00] <yahalom> "
[10:00] <Echelon-H> Where you got that from :P?
[10:00] <yahalom> Echelon-H, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqsection_view?section=Support
[10:00] <Echelon-H> But listen, What about partitions, Can i make them in the installation without damaging my windows?
[10:01] <liable> odyssey: remove the *dm
[10:01] <eyequeue> odyssey:  rm one of the gdm symlinks from /etc/rc3.d or similar, then you can use that runlevel (2-5 are identical, 2 is default)
[10:01] <Echelon-H> and can I make a dual boot? I had that in Fedora Core 2 but my windows got damaged.
[10:01] <eyequeue> liable:  i think he still wants x by default, just not always
[10:01] <yahalom> hey...if ubuntu only needs 32mb Ram then it would work on a pentium 1?
[10:01] <liable> oh
[10:01] <sjohnson> someone hear MUST have installed the nVidia Nforce drivers for Ubuntu off their website... no?
[10:02] <yahalom> cos  i was told it wouldnt
[10:02] <eyequeue> kevmif_:  if you really need those environent vaiables you can do this
[10:02] <eyequeue> kevmif_:  sudo -s, then, as root, bash -l (ell)
[10:03] <nickrud> the nice thing about runlevels in debian is they belong to the sysadmin; so odyssey just alter onen to your taste.,
[10:03] <Echelon-H> and can I make a dual boot? I had that in Fedora Core 2 but my windows got damaged.
[10:03] <eyequeue> yahalom:  your informant was probably thinking of a full gnome installation
[10:03] <kevmif_> eyequeue: I dunno if uz even understand me or not - there is no password to get into the root environment. Personally,  I did an advanced install - but i am trying to help a n00b via msn, who didnt do the basic install
[10:03] <yahalom> eyequeue, how much ram will it need with gnome?
[10:03] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  typically dual boot is accomplished by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:04] <nickrud> kevmif_, use sudo passwd root to set a root password.
[10:04] <odyssey> cool thanks guys
[10:04] <eyequeue> kevmif_:  sudo -s, enter the user's password, then you have "root access" ... then, as root, bash -l (ell)
[10:04] <yahalom> Echelon-H, i had dual with ubuntu
[10:04] <kevmif_> thanks
[10:05] <yahalom> Echelon-H, eventually though my ubuntu's internet was slow and windows fast, once i removed windows it worked. i still dont get it to this day.
[10:05] <eyequeue> kevmif_:  read http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo too
[10:05] <Echelon-H> Ok, so if I got say 8GB free on my current windows NTFS drive, can the installation make a partition from that filesystem, without damaging windows?
[10:05] <kevmif_> eyequeue: thanks
[10:05] <eyequeue> kevmif_:  np
[10:05] <Echelon-H> yahalom, lol
[10:07] <thenuke> Echelon-H: no it cannot
[10:07] <heatxsink_> anyone in here know how to get programs to fire off in LIRC?
[10:07] <thenuke> Echelon-H: you have to use partition magic for example, to resize your windows partition, and then create new empty partition from that free space
[10:07] <factorx> is there any secure way to convert an existing ntfs partition into fat?
[10:08] <thenuke> Echelon-H: Then ubuntus installer can use that free space or partition
[10:08] <hayden> is xfce4 in the default ubuntu repos?
[10:09] <yahalom> hayden, what does it matter? u dont want the extra repos?
[10:09] <hayden> what?
[10:09] <eyequeue> hayden:  Filename: pool/universe/m/meta-xfce4/xfce4_4.2.1.1-2ubuntu2_all.deb
[10:09] <eyequeue> hayden:  meaning it's in universe
[10:09] <nickrud> hayden, it's in universe
[10:09] <hayden> thanks eyequeue
[10:10] <thenuke> Echelon-H: in matter of fact, you do not need to create new partition but that free space, where ubuntu can make partitions for you
[10:12] <yahalom> Echelon-H, raita et ha live-cd?
[10:13] <mynullvoid> my audio now not working properly after following guide from ubuntuguide.org
[10:13] <mynullvoid> how can I reset my audio setting? I had revert the changes I made that I followed
[10:14] <firefox> hi everyone.
[10:14] <count0nz> Hi firefox
[10:14] <eyequeue> mynullvoid:  typically i find i have to run alsamixer as root (sudo alsamixer) and disable anything i don't have on the box, and increase the volume and unmute anything i do have, after i make any sound changes
[10:15] <eyequeue> mynullvoid:  this is also necessary after a kernel change
[10:15] <mynullvoid> eyequeue: my volume manager don't want to start now
[10:15] <mynullvoid> eyequeue: how to tell 'have on the box'?
[10:15] <Echelon-H> yahalom, lo ma ze?
[10:15] <seth> Hey guys. I'm having a little problem with my PS/2 mouse. For some reason, every few minutes, it goes nuts and gets stuck in the top right corner. Doesn't matter how I move it, it only downs down the right side and across the top. It stops when I close the monitor, but it still happens a good 5 minutes later.
[10:15] <Echelon-H> yahalom ze keiloo poel rak al disk?
[10:16] <Echelon-H> yahalom, veshomer hagdarot?
[10:16] <eyequeue> mynullvoid:  well, hardware you don't have, like say external amplifiers here
[10:16] <eyequeue> mynullvoid:  start with just the basics at first, master headphones and pcm
[10:16] <firefox> i downloaded firefox 1.04 from mozilla.org. Just wondering, how do you uninstall Firefox 1.04? Just to let you know, to install Firefox 1.04, all I had to do was click on "firefox-installer-bin"
[10:17] <mynullvoid> does ubuntu have alsa-conf ?
[10:17] <liable> mynullvoid: alsaconf, yes
[10:17] <eyequeue> apparently: un  alsaconf       <none>         (no description available)
[10:17] <seth> Anyone know?
[10:17] <eyequeue> meaning i don't have it installed
[10:18] <eyequeue> seth:  i had that once upon a time in debian, on another box
[10:18] <mynullvoid> liable: I don't haveit
[10:18] <nickrud> mynullvoid, no
[10:18] <nickrud> nickrud, apt-cache polcy alsaconf
[10:19] <eyequeue> seth:  i solved it by running gpm as a repeater, and then telling x my mouse was /dev/gpmdata
[10:19] <liable> maybe i'm full of shit, and surprised :)
[10:19] <mynullvoid> my other machine running debian got it
[10:19] <seth> eyequeue,  huh?
[10:19] <nickrud> nickrud, apt-cache policy alsaconf
[10:19] <nickrud> heh
[10:19] <snbob> why can't i make my amd64 dual boot Hoary 5.04 64 bit edition and windows XP? 32 bit edition( i mention i did dual boot many linux distros and windows xp , like debian, redhat , mandrake). The thing is that if i set up first Hoary , windows will just screw up my MBR and loose linux boot manager, if i set up windows first and then linux, linux will boot than and windows will only give me some blue error screen while booting !
[10:19] <eyequeue> seth:  gpm (general purpose mouse) is for the mouse in console, and don't always get along with x
[10:20] <eyequeue> seth:  that can cause those symptoms, and the solution is to tell x to read the named pipe gpm creates, rather than the actual hardware device
[10:20] <snbob> is there a known problem with Hoary 5.04 64bit and windows xp?
[10:21] <seth> eyequeue,  how do I do that?
[10:21] <firefox> is uninstalling firefox 1.04 from ubuntu as simple as deleting the folder that Firefox1.04 installer (firefox-installer-bin) created? (I ask coz I'm thinking of reverting back to the Firefox that comes with ubuntu (version 1.02). your help for a newbie is appreciated.
[10:21] <yahalom> if i use alien to convert rpms to .deb packages on ubuntu will the packages work on debian or dsl?
[10:21] <Encrypted> i dual boot hoary 64bit and win32 perfectly
[10:21] <Encrypted> what boot loader you using ?
[10:22] <mynullvoid> nickrud: so how do I get my audio back?
[10:22] <nickrud> yahalom, usually, but not always
[10:22] <snbob> Encrypted GRUB
[10:22] <eyequeue> seth:  /etc/gpm.conf device=/dev/psaux repeat_type=ms3
[10:22] <Encrypted> snbob, if you keep getting the problem maybe try loading lilo.. see if it solves the issue
[10:22] <Echelon-H> yahalom, ma ze live cd?
[10:22] <Echelon-H> yahalom ze keiloo poel rak al disk?
[10:22] <Echelon-H> yahalom, veshomer hagdarot?
[10:22] <nickrud> mynullvoid, first try lsof | grep /dev/dsp   Do you get any respose?
[10:23] <snbob> Encrypted yeah but can lilo map the windows partition?
[10:23] <yahalom> Echelon-H, ken
[10:23] <liable> hmmm, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[10:23] <yahalom> Echelon-H, ze mare lecha et haTochna blie ladkin ota
[10:23] <Encrypted> snbob, yip been using lilo for years
[10:23] <Echelon-H> Hmmm... And I dont need to mess with partitions and stuff right?
[10:23] <yahalom> Echelon-H,    ?
[10:23] <snbob> Encrypted so , have you maped the windows partition?
[10:23] <Echelon-H> Didnt see your last msg
[10:24] <yahalom> =
[10:24] <Echelon-H> Anyways, After I exit the ubuntu it won't save anything right?
[10:24] <eyequeue> yahalom:  oh cool, were those hebrew characters?
[10:24] <johnnybe1ak> awesome hebrew
[10:24] <Encrypted> snbob, the default config has an example "other"  os, just switch to your windows partition, give it a pretty name and it should work
[10:24] <Echelon-H> I can't see your hebrew
[10:24] <yahalom> Echelon-H, u using windows?
[10:24] <yahalom> eyequeue, yes
[10:24] <Echelon-H> yeah.
[10:24] <eyequeue> yahalom:  and were they right to left?
[10:24] <yahalom> eyequeue, yes
[10:24] <Echelon-H> Yeah :p
[10:25] <eyequeue> yahalom: do you have to type backwards or does your irc client handle it?
[10:25] <Echelon-H> lol
[10:25] <johnnybe1ak> heheeh
[10:25] <yahalom> eyequeue, i use xchat and it handles it fine
[10:25] <seth> eyequeue,  gpm.conf is already set to what you said.
[10:25] <yahalom> eyequeue, except for the ? ! characters
[10:25] <liable> mynullvoid: there is a alsaconf for ubuntu, maybe install alsa-utils.
[10:25] <johnnybe1ak> do you have a hebrew keyboard
[10:25] <Echelon-H> anyways, where can I get the liveCD or stuff?
[10:25] <johnnybe1ak> or both or what?
[10:25] <transgress> the website?
[10:26] <eyequeue> yahalom:  where do you copnfigure it in xchat?
[10:26] <yahalom> johnnybe1ak, yeah
[10:26] <yahalom> eyequeue, i dont. i have my ubuntu in hebrew. so it just lets me type in all apps in hebrew.
[10:26] <eyequeue> seth:  i'm out of ideas, just remembering how the fix was in debian, a year or three ago
[10:26] <eyequeue> yahalom:  oh, that's sweet
[10:26] <firefox> Hi all. Can anybody answer my question on uninstalling Firefox 1.0.4, please? I was thinking that the way to uninstall Firefox 1.0.4 from my PC is just to  delete the folder containing the stuff, but I would like confirmation. Anyone?
[10:26] <seth> eyequeue,  I just installed gpm though...
[10:26] <yahalom> eyequeue, u go to synaptic and download all the hebrew stuff
[10:26] <factorx> oh my... I just installed win98 into my vm. can it do other things than reboot? :D
[10:27] <snbob> Encrypted ok, another thing , right now i have Hoary 5.04 with GRUB installed in MBR, how can i install windows xp , without screwing up the MBR?
[10:27] <Echelon-H> yahalaom, when I use the LiveCD it won't save anything right? and where can I get it? What options do I have there?
[10:27] <seth> eyequeue,  so, hopefully, it will work now?
[10:27] <yahalom> eyequeue, it works in irssi too
[10:27] <nickrud> firefox, probably not, but a firefox list would be a better bet for an answer
[10:27] <eyequeue> yahalom:  you're typing in english now though, is there a toggle it enables?
[10:27] <Echelon-H> you can make a toggle key
[10:27] <Echelon-H> ...
[10:27] <snbob> Encrypted , does windows xp has any option to leave the MBR instact?
[10:27] <johnnybe1ak> yathalom: do you have an english keyboard too or what
[10:28] <eyequeue> seth:  you may want  to reboot to be sure things load in the right order, i suppose
[10:28] <Encrypted> snbob, i dont think you can.. best option would be to install windows, let it break it.. boot some sort of live cd or recovery cd and rerun grub
[10:28] <Echelon-H> Yeah, there's a toggle key (at leats when I used linux)
[10:28] <Echelon-H> I mean, you can make one in the console
[10:28] <seth> I have to say, I love Ubuntu. Shit just works. I love it.
[10:28] <nickrud> s/probably/probably not/ I'm up too late )
[10:28] <eyequeue> seth:  i'm not fluent enough to know what needs to come first to walk you through it (nor can i guarantee it will make a difference)
[10:28] <someone> people, i'm having a prob with the ubuntu live cd
[10:28] <yahalom> eyequeue, in gnome u add the il layout, in kde the same, in xfce u edit your xorg.conf and add to "us" il so u get "us,il" then you use xkb options, so in my case both shift keys switch languages. xfce has a plugin which u press and also changes layouts.
[10:29] <IIIEars> seth - amazing isn't it? - how many Distros did you try before Ubuntu?
[10:29] <snbob> Encrypted with grub it wont work , it will load linux but if trying to boot up windows i'll get the blue error screen
[10:29] <eyequeue> yahalom:  majorly cool
[10:29] <yahalom> Echelon-H, try the live cd.
[10:29] <Echelon-H> k
[10:29] <eyequeue> yahalom: obviously i'm one of those monolingual morons
[10:30] <IIIEars> is "moron" French? - hehe
[10:30] <Echelon-H> But I dont know where to get it. I think I downloaded yesterday the full version..
[10:30] <seth> IIIEars,  I've tried Gentoo, Caldera, Mandrake, SuSE, Red Hat, Fedora Core, Slackware, and FreeBSD.
[10:30] <yahalom> eyequeue, well u could always put ur ubuntu in spanish or german or something, and then ud have to learn another language
[10:30] <yahalom> ;)
[10:30] <eyequeue> actually, i know sign language, but there's no locale for that, heh
[10:30] <yahalom> lol
[10:30] <johnnybe1ak> hehe
[10:30] <Echelon-H> lol
[10:30] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is Refreshing
[10:30] <seth> This is over the last 4 years though. I have times when I just want to use *nix because Win32 platforms piss me off, so I go to *nix for about a month, then I have to go back to Win32 since I did VB coding in school.
[10:31] <Encrypted> snbob, thats why i suggest lilo.. see where the problem lies.. is it grub, or is it windows being really weird
[10:31] <Echelon-H> Maybe there is, they can make it a standart ASCII code or something.
[10:31] <yahalom> i  need to have xfce in hebrew. so if get the hebrew rpms and use alien and then install them t should work right?
[10:31] <yahalom> oops sorry. wrong box
[10:31] <Echelon-H> The font will be some fingers or body parts in all sorts of ways.
[10:31] <snbob> Encrypted k, will do :) thanks
[10:31] <eyequeue> seth:  a thought: learn some bash scripting, and then no need to leave linux? :)
[10:31] <seth> eyequeue,  I HAD to take VB in school...
[10:32] <Encrypted> snbob, lilo isnt complicated either, just edit the config which is pretty straight forward and then run lilo
[10:32] <eyequeue> seth:  okay, consider me your teacher:  SETH!  Learn bash scripting NOW!  you have three months until the exam!! :P
[10:32] <seth> eyequeue,  ah shit!
[10:32] <IIIEars> no pressure.. - lol
[10:33] <johnnybe1ak> why do you have to learn bash
[10:33] <seth> I actually plan on learning Python and perl.
[10:33] <yahalom> Echelon-H, its all posible, but who would work on something like that. deaf people who can see can read.
[10:33] <Echelon-H> baaah, where do I get the live cd.
[10:33] <eyequeue> seth:  seriously, python is very popular with ubuntu developers
[10:33] <nickrud> seth, here's your cheat sheet: learning the bash shell, O'Rielly Books
[10:33] <seth> As for now, I'm trying to get my volume up/down keys on my laptop working.
[10:33] <yahalom> anyone here use gmailFS?
[10:33] <someone> i'm having a prob with dat live cd - i don't recommend it
[10:33] <yahalom> ?? gmailfs
[10:33] <Echelon-H> why?
[10:33] <eyequeue> seth:  sudo apt-get install diveintopython to get a whole book on it :)
[10:33] <someone> stupid thing can't find acpi-modules-2.6.10-5-386-di_2.6.10-34_i386.udeb
[10:33] <johnnybe1ak> seth there is a great bash guide at the linux doc. project
[10:34] <snbob> Encrypted i used to have lilo myself , but since Ubuntu came with Grub by default and since it says it's so much better than lilo, i sticked with it , tho i'll stay with the one that gets the job done :)
[10:34] <Echelon-H> right....
[10:34] <yahalom> anyone know what gmailfs is?
[10:34] <johnnybe1ak> exactly its a boot loader, who cares
[10:34] <IIIEars> thanks eyequeue
[10:34] <Encrypted> snbob, im the same.. first sign of trouble from grub tho and it goes
[10:34] <someone> i give up
[10:34] <eyequeue> yahalom:  i've heard of it, it's some way of using the gig or two gmail gives you as an external fs
[10:34] <johnnybe1ak> someone: whats the matter
[10:35] <Echelon-H> k found the livecd.
[10:35] <MobyTurbo> yahalom, gmailfs turns a gmail email account into data storage. Very silly.
[10:35] <seth> eyequeue,  I already have it apprearently.
[10:35] <eyequeue> yahalom:  i would imagine it has to be pretty slow, more a proof-of-conecpt thing
[10:35] <Echelon-H> Can I do anything with that anyway? I mean what's the point in LiveCD if you can't acctualy save stuff.
[10:35] <eyequeue> IIIEars:  np
[10:35] <yahalom> eyequeue, yeah but id like to try it. store docs there, so when i install my os again for some reason
[10:36] <yahalom> MobyTurbo, it migth work :)
[10:36] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  *if* you have an ext2 partition already, i guess the livecd can sense it and use it
[10:36] <seth> Anyone here running *nix on a Dell Inspiron 8100?
[10:36] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  basically it's a risk-free trial if you don't
[10:36] <nickrud> Echelon-H, mount a partiition (windows or linux) and save there
[10:36] <Echelon-H> can I save linux data on NTFS filesystem?
[10:37] <Orunitia> I installed Ubuntu, and when gdm, or kdm goes to start up, everything just freezes and I have to shut down
[10:37] <Echelon-H> but anyways, ill try the live cd and then decide what do to, and if I want a full installation
[10:37] <liable> mynullvoid: did you install als-utils?
[10:37] <eyequeue> yahalom:  i think i'd tar up my /home, gpg it, and upload the new tarball there :)
[10:37] <liable> alsa even
[10:37] <mynullvoid> liable: alsa-utils
[10:37] <liable> yup
[10:37] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  ntfs reading is supported, but writing is still considered dangerous
[10:38] <Echelon-H> oh, If I am downloading Version X.YZ now, will I have to download a CD of a new one later or I can always install & update to the latest?
[10:38] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  the Captive NTFS project is intended to make writes safe
[10:38] <yahalom> eyequeue, good point
[10:38] <Echelon-H> dangerous means I can lose data / lose my hdd?
[10:39] <hayden> is php5 out?
[10:39] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  you can always upgrade, with a simple set of two commands "sudo apt-get update" && "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[10:39] <seth> Anyone know how to get volume up/down keys on a Dell Inspiron 8100 to work?
[10:39] <Echelon-H> k
[10:39] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  i believe so, though you can ask ms to open their specs i guess, heh
[10:40] <Gog> seth: do you get keycode messages appear in /var/log/messages when you try?
[10:40] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  btw, releases are every 6 months, so what you d/l now will be the current for about 5 more
[10:40] <Gog> (you can map extended keys easily)
[10:40] <Orunitia> I installed Ubuntu, and when gdm, or kdm goes to start up, everything just freezes and I have to shut down
[10:40] <liable> seth: there are dell kernel modules, dunno, if they will help though, something to look at but.
[10:40] <sladen> seth: they appear as normal key-presses
[10:41] <Echelon-H> thanks a lot eyequeue!
[10:41] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  sure thing
[10:41] <Echelon-H> and yahalom too
[10:41] <Echelon-H> :)
[10:41] <seth> Gog,  no, I don't, just seeing lots of shit about my mouse losing sync....
[10:41] <firefox> To any, a Quick, easy Favor: Right click the firefox icon on your panel, click properties. Could you please copy and paste here what's written in the "command" blank box, please? Coz I was playing around, and don't know which is the correct line, here.
[10:41] <seth> firefox,  mozilla-firefox
[10:42] <seth> Or, try firefox %u
[10:42] <yahalom> Echelon-H, besimcha
[10:42] <firefox> seth, doesn't the command line have slashes (/..../...)? Please just copy and paste here.
[10:42] <snbob> is changing the locales ( sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales) any reason for system instability? what i did is just that, changed the default locale from en_US.UTF-8 to en_US (LANG=en_US) in order to get proper character displaying in console ( if i did let's say man printf , the ' would not get displayed ), so now i get the ' char displayed but now gmplayer for ex just crashes after a few secs of play
[10:42] <seth> firefox,  no it isn't.
[10:42] <Gog> seth: if they're normal keypresses, like sladen says - you should just be able to map through system/prefs/keyboard shortcuts
[10:43] <snbob> its weierd
[10:43] <firefox> seth, thanks it works! (if you're wondering what I'm doing: I installed firefox 1.04 from mozilla.org, but now i uninstalled it).
[10:43] <seth> firefox,  not a problem.
[10:43] <seth> Gog,  that works. Thanks.
[10:44] <marcel_> How do I install encrypted DVD support in 5.04?
[10:44] <Gog> found it welcome myself ... never managed to get them working under fbsd ;)
[10:44] <seth> I looked in /var/log/messages and didn't see anything, but I went in and set an accecerator for the volume up/down and it works. Thank you.
[10:44] <seth> Gog, fBSD is satan. =P
[10:44] <Gog> it was 7 years of hell, it'll take a while for me to recover
[10:45] <seth> I used fBSD for about a month, and never did get X working at all.
[10:45] <Gog> :)
[10:45] <IIIEars> marcel - http://ubuntuwiki/Restrictedformats
[10:46] <Gog> btw: could someone tell me, do I still need periodic apt-get update, if I use the ubuntu package manager and install its updates as they appear?
[10:46] <lapo> hi
[10:46] <Gog> s/package/update/
[10:46] <seth> Gog,  doesn't hurt to have scheduled update searching.
[10:46] <seth> Be back in a few. Need nicotine.
[10:46] <Gog> fair enough, thanks
[10:47] <Echelon-H> does the livecd comes with x-chat / firefox / c++ / php?
[10:47] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  yes yes dunno dunno
[10:48] <yahalom> Echelon-H, do u have adsl?
[10:48] <Blastur> hi! how can I get mp3 and movies going in Ubuntu? Totem movie player says it doesn't have the necessary decoders, same with mp3s.. i tried installing XMMS for mp3s, but that won't play anything either, i don't even get an error message when i hit the play button, but no sound comes out. I'm sure the system sound works, cause i (for example) here various warning sounds as i type in incorrect passwords or navigate the menues
[10:48] <yahalom> Echelon-H, or cable?
[10:48] <drcodedd2> hi akk
[10:48] <drcodedd2> all
[10:48] <Echelon-H> or a machine gun :P?
[10:48] <drcodedd2> any one mybe know how I can convert in linux pdf into rtf format?
[10:48] <Echelon-H> j/k. But I just want to know,.
[10:48] <yahalom> Echelon-H, with adsl i've had issues connecting with pppoe on live cds, but with cable u should be connected at startup
[10:49] <yahalom> lol
[10:49] <Echelon-H> hmmm.
[10:49] <eyequeue> Blastur:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Restrictedformats
[10:49] <eyequeue> Blastur:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:49] <Echelon-H> My aDSL ia PPPoE one, But I am using a router and a netowrk, I dont think I should have a problem.
[10:50] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  the router handles the ppoe?  so you just need ethernet support?
[10:51] <yahalom> Echelon-H, router router or ur talking about ur basic wow router?
[10:51] <Echelon-H> uuh yeah I guess
[10:51] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  and dhcp3-client heh
[10:51] <Echelon-H> no no, router router.
[10:51] <yahalom> Echelon-H, ah ok
[10:52] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  livecd has a dhcp client, but you can configure a static ip if you like too
[10:52] <Echelon-H> so will the internet work or not? because it's based on DHCP I think
[10:52] <Echelon-H> nah, ill pass.
[10:52] <eyequeue> Echelon-H: you should be fine, and probably auto-configured even
[10:52] <seth> Is there a command to do a "pretend" apt-get to see what packages will be installed? Or perhaps a way to search for a package name?
[10:53] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  i was surprised at first how simple it all was, even with my wireless-g onboard wifi in the laptop
[10:53] <eyequeue> seth:  --no-act
[10:53] <seth> Thanks eyequeue.
[10:53] <eyequeue> seth:  apt-cache search foo
[10:53] <Echelon-H> 35% of the liveCD is ready.
[10:53] <Echelon-H> :P
[10:54] <Kimppa> Hi. For some reason the text font in some software are way too big. For example in dcgui-qt the text fonts were "normal" but after an update they were awfully big. I was wondering if there is some setting in ubuntu that defines the font size
[10:54] <liable> Kimppa: get the x thing fixed?
[10:55] <yahalom> Echelon-H, most israelis seem to use kde, so u might want to look at kubuntu live cd too
[10:55] <Echelon-H> Acctualy I used gnome in my FC2 and it was fine./
[10:56] <eyequeue> yahalom:  i think he's on dialup though?
[10:56] <yahalom> Echelon-H, then again kde is available full in hebrew
[10:56] <Echelon-H> But what is more "heavy", gnome or kde?
[10:56] <seth> Does anyone know of any good VNC viewers? I don't need a server, just a viewer.
[10:56] <yahalom> eyequeue, adsl
[10:56] <yahalom> oh right
[10:56] <yahalom> Echelon-H, kde is much heavier
[10:56] <eyequeue> yahalom:  ah, i must have blurred him with someone else
[10:56] <holycow> anyone else get errors logging in to the canadian ubuntu repositories?
[10:57] <Kimppa> liable: reinstalled the entire os
[10:57] <eyequeue> yahalom:  oh duh, he was just talking about pppoe outside the router and dhcp inside, my bad
[10:57] <yahalom> Echelon-H, gnome is nice and simple...very fast too. rarely crashes, if ever.
[10:57] <liable> Kimppa: :(
[10:57] <seth> Nevermind, I got it.
[10:57] <seth> xvncviewer.
[10:57] <yahalom> eyequeue, many questions flying around ;)
[10:57] <Kimppa> liable: I remove everything that was just possible and then reinstalled X, but it didn't help
[10:57] <eyequeue> it's about 0500 here, that's my excuse
[10:58] <Kimppa> so I just backuped my settings and re-installed the entire os
[10:59] <Echelon-H> k then
[10:59] <Echelon-H> the live CD comes with default of gnome or kde or what?
[10:59] <seth> Alright, the misses wants me to lay down with her for a little while, so I'll be back later guys. Thanks for the help.
[10:59] <yahalom> Echelon-H, use Gnome. If u find that gnome is too heavy too, or u just prefer lighter then get xfce4, if u want even lighter then get fluxbox. ubuntu doesnt have an xfce live cd, so if u want to see what xfce would look like try xfld http://www.xfld.org/Xfld/en/xfld.html just to get an idea, then u can get it from synaptic or apt.
[11:00] <kzm> Hi!  Anybody run ubuntu with a prism54 wifi card?
[11:00] <kzm> (or is it too early in the morning/late in the evening :-)
[11:00] <yahalom> Echelon-H, for fluxbox get Damn Small Linux http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[11:00] <yahalom> Echelon-H, gnome
[11:01] <yahalom> Echelon-H, ubuntu=gnome kubuntu=kde www.kubuntu.org
[11:01] <Echelon-H> lol Damn small linux
[11:01] <Echelon-H> but anyways first of all I'll try the live cd with gnome, then I'll see if it's heavy or not.
[11:01] <yahalom> Echelon-H, check out http://ubuntulinux.org.il/Wiki/
[11:02] <Echelon-H> COs my FC2 just always stuck at some point. and it kinda sucked.
[11:02] <yahalom> Echelon-H, thats where the hebrews hang out
[11:02] <Echelon-H> oooh, nice
[11:02] <yahalom> Echelon-H, although its new so u probably will find more help at the ubuntuforums.org
[11:03] <yahalom> Echelon-H, i switched to ubuntu from fc3
[11:03] <yahalom> Echelon-H, i havent had any problems with ubuntu. i had a few issues with kde, but i think that is kde related
[11:03] <Echelon-H> fc2 kidna sucked at my comp, sry.
[11:04] <Echelon-H> I think my problems were at the system itself, it had all sorts of problems.
[11:04] <yahalom> Echelon-H, no offense taken
[11:04] <yahalom> Echelon-H, didnt make it
[11:04] <Echelon-H> heheh
[11:04] <npiv> Where is it set up that rc2.d is loaded by default? Id like to be able to set up GRUB so I could choose between going into init 2 or init 3  , is thta feasible ?
[11:04] <IIIEars> FC# - was a large install - one CD is enough
[11:04] <yahalom> Echelon-H, there is also #ubuntu-il but its empty
[11:05] <yahalom> IIIEars, lol once i selected everything in fc3. it took hours.
[11:05] <yahalom> Echelon-H, ubuntu is by far the most impressive install
[11:06] <Echelon-H> which means? I get to see a movie while it insatlls :P?
[11:06] <yahalom> Echelon-H, at first the servers were also really fast. i used to get 300kb/s. now there are many users, which is good in another sense.
[11:06] <Echelon-H> im dling at 192kb
[11:06] <Echelon-H> Which is the max cap of my pack :)
[11:06] <IIIEars> yahalom - torrents are fast! fast! fast!
[11:07] <yahalom> Echelon-H, not it means, that if u got to the bathroom, it might  be done when u come back. then again that is relative.
[11:07] <yahalom> IIIEars, never used torrentsd
[11:07] <Echelon-H> well it depends how mcuh stuff you install
[11:07] <Echelon-H> but i've heard that it's uber-fast :P
[11:08] <yahalom> Echelon-H, its not like fedora, u dont choose things. it comes the way it is. unless u go out of ur way to use server install.
[11:08] <Echelon-H> oh...
[11:08] <Echelon-H> Well then, it depends how long you bath.
[11:08] <Echelon-H> :P
[11:09] <yahalom> Echelon-H, but once ur online, u can install tons of stuff
[11:09] <yahalom> through apt or synaptic
[11:09] <npiv> is there an advanced channel ?
[11:09] <Echelon-H> w00t X_X... 191 kb/s
[11:09] <MobyTurbo> even before you're online some packages are ready to install without downloading
[11:10] <npiv> I didnt realise this was the   recruitment channel , my bad ;)
[11:10] <yahalom> true
[11:11] <yahalom> Echelon-H, what mirror u using?
[11:11] <kestas> npiv: this is the advanced channel
[11:11] <kestas> anyway which window manager does everyone like?
[11:12] <Nermal> metacity ?
[11:12] <kestas> hahah
[11:12] <yahalom> Echelon-H, if u using the defaults its probably in the US and its about 2am if not later on a tuesday night, so it should be fast
[11:12] <count0nz> e17 :)
[11:12] <npiv> kestas - Great, can you tell me where rc2.d is defined as the default runlevel, and if its possible to set up grub to load into rc2 or rc3 ?
[11:12] <kestas> ooh npiv thats sooo complicated, youre blowing my mind
[11:12] <kestas> and I was jokings
[11:12] <kestas> *joking
[11:12] <kestas> hence why I asked what everyones favourite wm was right after
[11:13] <MobyTurbo> npiv, /etc/inittab controls the default runlevels.
[11:13] <kestas> and whats rc2?
[11:13] <npiv> MobyTurbo, sweet thanks
[11:13] <kestas> but anyway its
[11:13] <kestas> kernel = /boot/kernel-whatever 3
[11:13] <kestas> or 2
[11:13] <kestas> or whatever runlevel
[11:14] <kestas> not =
[11:14] <kestas> kernel /boot/kernel 3
[11:14] <npiv> hmm the number after, let me go chekc that kestas
[11:14] <IIIEars> Is "swappiness" worth adjusting from the default?
[11:15] <kestas> depends how much ram and how fast a hdd youve got IIIEars
[11:15] <Echelon-H> Im using germany mirror yahalom
[11:15] <IIIEars> 512/60g 7200
[11:15] <kestas> but usually no
[11:15] <Drako60> if i'm a whats supposed to be a 32bit chroot and do uname -a, would it display i386 which is the chroot or amd64 which is the system
[11:15] <npiv> kestas Theres no 2 in my grub/menu.lst :(
[11:15] <yahalom> Echelon-H, ah ok. switzerland is also fast
[11:16] <kestas> npiv: why would there be?
[11:16] <npiv> because thats what you just said
[11:17] <npiv> kernel /boot/kernel n
[11:17] <Drako60> isn't 2 the default runlevel?
[11:17] <kestas> I said if you wanted to change runlevel from the default
[11:17] <MobyTurbo> npiv, why do you want to change the run level? Run levels play a different role in Debian and its derivitives than most other distros.
[11:17] <kestas> npiv is trying to make me look like an idiot
[11:17] <kestas> dont worry just wait a while
[11:17] <kestas> I do it fine by myself
[11:17] <Drako60> or is default runlevel 5
[11:17] <Burgundavia> Drako60, 2
[11:17] <kestas> I thought it was 4
[11:17] <kestas> that must be freebsd
[11:18] <kestas> no wait
[11:18] <Burgundavia> Drako60, you can find out by typing 'runlevel'
[11:18] <npiv> MobyTurbo, I want to be able to choose from grub if I boot into X or if I just run a server conf
[11:18] <MobyTurbo> the default is 2, graphical or text boot, it's still 2.
[11:18] <npiv> if I cant do that I at least wanna have a different runlevel available with less services
[11:18] <yahalom> ok take care all
[11:18] <Drako60> npiv, there should already be a safemode boot which is single user
[11:19] <yahalom> Echelon-H, yallah bye
[11:19] <MobyTurbo> npiv, you'll need to manually change services in the run levels, though maybe just changing gdm to not run in your non-graphical runlevel will be enough.
[11:19] <npiv> Drako60, yes a singleuser server ;)
[11:19] <MobyTurbo> npiv, man update-rc.d
[11:20] <npiv> MobyTurbo - Ill give it a shot, What I really wanted to know though was if I could define the runlevel from grub
[11:20] <liable> npiv: apeend 'linux single' to kernel line
[11:21] <kestas> liable: just single
[11:21] <kestas> liable: and hes not trying to boot into single user mode
[11:21] <MobyTurbo> liable, yeah, that will change the run level, but I don't think he has single mode in mind.
[11:21] <npiv> in /grub/menu.lst
[11:21] <liable> I think both may work, but yeah
[11:21] <npiv> well I could tweak the singlemode
[11:21] <the_berzerker> hey guys i have two problems and need help
[11:21] <MobyTurbo> npiv, tweaking the single mode is a Bad Idea.
[11:21] <npiv> :) dont tempt me
[11:22] <npiv> why would it be bad you think ?
[11:22] <android> is it possible to install acroread-plugin while I have mozplugger installed?
[11:22] <the_berzerker> 1st: i have installed firestarter but when i log on it states that it can't run because i don't hae root privileges
[11:22] <kestas> sudo firestarter
[11:23] <Burgundavia> the_berzerker, it doesn't need to run in the default session
[11:23] <Burgundavia> the_berzerker, it just needs to run once to set up the firewall
[11:23] <MobyTurbo> npiv, single is the rescue mode, where the disk is mounted read-only ready for fsck and the like. Changing it into a normal runlevel means you have no way of fixing a disk that needs to be fsck'd.
[11:23] <IIIEars> does the sudoers file change if firestarter starts?
[11:23] <the_berzerker> oh so once setup i don't need to run it again?
[11:23] <Burgundavia> the_berzerker, correct, it starts the firewall for you
[11:24] <npiv> MobyTurbo - fair enough, I guess Ill just set up a server then, and make startx load up gnome,
[11:24] <MobyTurbo> npiv, also it is the level I think that runs before the others - which means it will break some higher run levels.
[11:24] <ukh> any ubuntu:er that can confirm that warty supports the i915?
[11:24] <kestas> npiv: if youre running a server x isnt such a good idea
[11:24] <MobyTurbo> npiv, that's probably a good idea. :)
[11:24] <kestas> npiv: at least if youre running it in a hostile environment
[11:25] <the_berzerker> to the second problem then from time to time when i log on it takes a lot of time to start my applets on my panel (i'm using gnome) and some pop ups appear saying that there is a problem with each applet and if i want to delete it or nor
[11:25] <npiv> kestas - its relative, its a server for my purposes, and I would only run startx when Im around, I dotn have choice its server/Desktop . Its not gonna be used in any huge enviroment
[11:26] <kestas> npiv: if you dont mind the security risk of having memory directly accessible, and some extra suid stuff then its fine
[11:26] <kestas> npiv: just not good practice
[11:26] <kestas> usually
[11:26] <npiv> kestas - ok its not a huge server its for my purposes, and im very aware of the risks
[11:27] <kestas> okay
[11:27] <the_berzerker> has anyone encountered a similar problem?
[11:27] <kestas> the_berzerker: nope, you should look for a gnome panel log file
[11:27] <the_berzerker> kestas: where is it located
[11:28] <kestas> the_berzerker: not sure if it exists, let alone where its located
[11:28] <seth> I hate people who leave themselves logged onto AIM 24/7 and never put up an away message.
[11:28] <kestas> seth: but when you do that you can pretend like youre not there
[11:28] <seth> It makes you wonder if they are actually there or not, and when they don't answer an IM, if they are ignoring you or not.
[11:29] <kestas> exactly, if you let everyone know whether youre away or not youve got to respond to your friends girlfriend even though you hate her
[11:29] <kestas> much better to be online 24/7
[11:29] <seth> kestas,  you know me all to well.
[11:29] <sjmorgan> can somebody please tell me which package the "fixed" X font is contained in?
[11:30] <seth> There is this guy I know, who is really nice, and a good friend, but I can NOT stand his girlfriend. She is annoying, and talks through her nose.
[11:30] <sjmorgan> X is giving me errors that it can't find it when gdm tries to start
[11:30] <kestas> yeah and you cant block her
[11:30] <the_berzerker> another one when starting the daemons i see the following error : VFS no Ext3 partition on hda1 (or somethin like that)
[11:30] <seth> She always IMs me and I tell her I'm working on a project or was just heading out.
[11:30] <the_berzerker> how can i fix this
[11:30] <sjmorgan> i've done a search on packages.debian.org with no luck
[11:30] <seth> kestas,  of course not.
[11:30] <Burgundavia> sjmorgan, you running Breezy?
[11:30] <sjmorgan> Burgundavia: yup
[11:31] <kestas> the_berzerker: just ignore it
[11:31] <kestas> the_berzerker: I get that one too
[11:31] <Burgundavia> sjmorgan, is currentlyl broken for everybody
[11:31] <sjmorgan> shit
[11:31] <Burgundavia> sjmorgan, there might be a fix on the forum
[11:31] <the_berzerker> kestas: k mate thanx,
[11:31] <Burgundavia> sjmorgan, don't worry, all the developers machines are broken too, so they are fixing it
[11:31] <sjmorgan> well thanks for enlightening me
[11:31] <sjmorgan> cool
[11:31] <chocoIate> hi everybody :P
[11:31] <sjmorgan> hi
[11:32] <sjmorgan> oh well
[11:32] <sjmorgan> at least it gives me a reason to boot windows and install pandora tomorrow
[11:32] <kestas> ubuntu is making me want to buy an african drum
[11:32] <seth> So, I'm guessing that everyone in here uses GNOME?
[11:32] <sjmorgan> i do
[11:33] <seth> If you guys don't mind me asking, what do you use to play MP3s?
[11:33] <kestas> xmms
[11:33] <sjmorgan> beep media player
[11:33] <Gog> kestas: improvise by skinning a cat and lashing the fur to a waste paper basket...
[11:33] <jsgotangco> mp3123
[11:33] <IIIEars> << XMMS
[11:33] <chocoIate> ok so after many days of tearing my hairs out and i'm a linux noob, atm i'm still on my winxp and still unable to get my modem working. here is a link i found to a linux driver made to work for my modem -->> http://www.sm56.tk/ however it seems its a redhat linux package or am i supposed to take the binaries and build it myself, i do not know and i cannot perform this step either since its a bit over my head, can anybody help :P
[11:33] <Burgundavia> seth, muine
[11:33] <kestas> ah I could save money doing it that way thanks Gog :)
[11:33] <kestas> now to find a cat
[11:33] <Gog> :)
[11:34] <sjmorgan> i would use rhythmbox but it's hella broken on my machine
[11:34] <kestas> chocoIate: easy way is to get a linux modem
[11:34] <sjmorgan> lots of alsa stuff is though
[11:34] <jsgotangco> i mean mpg321
[11:34] <sjmorgan> except bmp
[11:35] <chocoIate> yes, i'd still like to keep my modem temporarily and see if i can get it working, as you can see they already have a driver for linux
[11:35] <seth> http://www.gnome.org/start/2.0/screenshots/ross-desktop.png
[11:35] <rudi1234> moin gimpel so frh schon wach? ;)
[11:35] <seth> What window border is that?
[11:36] <chocoIate> well :o
[11:36] <kestas> gimpel?
[11:36] <kestas> a gimp question?
[11:36] <rudi1234> sry wron window ;)
[11:37] <rudi1234> +g
[11:38] <npiv> I think he said my pimple is not what it seems
[11:38] <npiv> but I could be mistaken
[11:39] <BBurger> how do I install/add TrueType fonts in Ubuntu? Got a folderful of XP refugees that I'd like to put to work!
[11:39] <npiv> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20976&highlight=clear+type+font    <-- a Great HOWTO
[11:39] <mindspin> gimpel are living in zamonia
[11:40] <ukh> chocoIate: well, allthough you *might* be able to get it to work, I'd just go buy a trusty old serial 56k modem.  it's just a waste of time (and hair) getting it to work
[11:40] <npiv> BBurger - theres a specific example for verdana
[11:40] <kestas> can you use usb modems in linux and windows?
[11:40] <kestas> the same usb modem I mean
[11:41] <thenuke> kestas: depends on the modem
[11:41] <kestas> thenuke: can you recommend one?
[11:41] <thenuke> linux does not have support as good as windows has for usb modems
[11:41] <thenuke> I dont know any but I could try googling for something :P
[11:41] <chocoIate> atm i got two modems hooked up here already, one is an internal modem and this is the driver -->> http://www.sm56.tk/ and the other is an external ISDN modem and in my device manager in linux i see it as Vigor 128 ISDN TA
[11:41] <BBurger> npiv: thanks, will have a read. keep forgetting about the U Forums!
[11:41] <thenuke> kestas: do you need dialup modem or adsl-modem or what?
[11:41] <chocoIate> though i know i do not have a Vigor 128 ISDN but a PSION GOLD Port ISDN modem
[11:42] <npiv> BBurger - np I just set it up last night, looks great ;)
[11:42] <kestas> thenuke: dialup
[11:42] <thenuke> kestas: okey. Are you sure you need usb-modem?
[11:42] <chocoIate> my modems are listed properly in the device manager, both modems, though the ISDN is listed as something else
[11:42] <IIIEars> firestarter ignores the settings and closes when the terminal closes?
[11:42] <kestas> nope, I just want one that both linux and windows can use
[11:42] <IIIEars> Why is that?
[11:42] <thenuke> kestas: some internal might be better, but not all ;)
[11:42] <kestas> one that they can all use would be good
[11:42] <hayden> i followed ubuntuguide.org but apache isnt dealing with php files properly
[11:43] <hayden> any ideas
[11:43] <kestas> my logic was that usb modems would have a common protocol or something like that
[11:43] <npiv> whats not properly ?
[11:43] <npiv> whats happening  hayden
[11:43] <blastermaster> chocolate the driver is for kernels 2.4 and wont work with kernel 2.6 sorry
[11:43] <kestas> ah thats bad luck
[11:44] <BBurger> npiv: actually, all I want to do is have my TT fonts available, eg for OpenOffice. I don't really want them used as system fonts - the defaults in Hoary are OK.
[11:44] <chocoIate> he does recommend how to run on other kernels here -->> http://www.sm56.tk/
[11:45] <kestas> is there such a thing a serial-tv to av cable?
[11:45] <UnreA|L> How change screen resoliution with console
[11:45] <UnreA|L> ?
[11:45] <chocoIate> i just haven zero experience with building binaries, this is my first time on linux :P
[11:45] <briza> how can i play quick time movies in console? where to get the codecs from? mplayer -vo fbdev2 something.avi it works , but vmw doesn't play
[11:45] <kestas> UnreA|L: nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:45] <herpes> hayden, do you have the apache php library installed?
[11:45] <kestas> briza: go to the mplayer website
[11:45] <kestas> briza: they will have a codec pack
[11:45] <kestas> didnt i tell you this earlier?
[11:46] <briza> kestas thanks
[11:46] <hayden> herpes: whats that?
[11:46] <hayden> npiv: firefox tries to dload the .php files
[11:47] <herpes> hayden, libapache2-mod-php4
[11:47] <UnreA|L> kestas, you from lt ?
[11:48] <hayden> herpes: it says its already installed
[11:48] <kestas> UnreA|L: two of my grandparents were lt
[11:48] <herpes> has anyone seen the new star wars? apparently r2d2 has a good line..
[11:48] <kestas> and I have an lt name
[11:48] <kestas> you?
[11:48] <npiv> yeah and queen amidala gets naked
[11:48] <kestas> lol heatxsink
[11:48] <npiv> I cant wait
[11:48] <thenuke> herpes: it's premier is tonight
[11:48] <kestas> *herpes
[11:48] <thenuke> herpes: going to see it
[11:48] <kestas> damn tab completion
[11:49] <kestas> dont thenuke
[11:49] <kestas> it will be terrible
[11:49] <herpes> not likely
[11:49] <kestas> likely
[11:49] <kestas> have you seen the first two?
[11:49] <thenuke> I have, yes
[11:49] <kestas> george lucas described it as a 'tear jerker'
[11:49] <kestas> 'tear jerker' star wars
[11:49] <kestas> nuff said
[11:49] <thenuke> regarding to imdb, it's a lot better than the first ones
[11:49] <herpes> no one got it..
[11:50] <kestas> got what?
[11:50] <kestas> got the movie? no I think a load of 12 year old kids did
[11:50] <herpes> the joke...r2d2 apparently having a good line...
[11:50] <kestas> no I got it
[11:50] <kestas> lol heatxsink
[11:50] <kestas> damn tab completion
[11:51] <kestas> *herpes
[11:51] <heatxsink_> he?
[11:51] <heatxsink_> hahaha
[11:51] <heatxsink_> heheheheh
[11:51] <heatxsink_> woohoo I finally got LIRC working
[11:51] <heatxsink_> dman!
[11:52] <eater773> need help ....
[11:52] <seth> Damn, my MP3s keep skipping every so often...
[11:52] <kestas> seth: in what?
[11:53] <seth> Like, the system kind of locks up and the sound loops, then it stops and works fine.
[11:53] <eater773> pls. i need help..
[11:53] <kestas> eater773: tell us your problem dont whinge
[11:53] <kestas> or whatever the word is for what youre doing
[11:53] <seth> kestas,  I've tried XMMS and now I'm using Rhythmbox.
[11:53] <briza> hi , got a question, what does /bin/env ? i read the man page but i dont understand much of it's function
[11:53] <kestas> seth: does it do it in xmms?
[11:53] <seth> kestas,  yeah.
[11:53] <eater773> i have two lancard ... 1st for the internet.. 2nd for network
[11:53] <seth> That was why I asked what people used to listen to MP3s.
[11:53] <kestas> seth: using the esd output plugin?
[11:54] <eater773> problem how can i browse others in the network.. internet ok..
[11:54] <kestas> briza: I think it just shows all environment variables
[11:54] <seth> kestas,  no OSS.
[11:54] <kestas> seth: does it do it when you use esd?
[11:54] <eater773> sorry guys... newbie for ubuntu...
[11:54] <kestas> eater773: you have a netmask problem
[11:54] <seth> We are about to find out kestas.
[11:55] <eater773> kindly explain in layman termrs
[11:55] <herpes> seth, could be a buggy bios power management thingee
[11:55] <seth> kestas,  yeah happens with ESD.
[11:55] <kestas> when you get info from the net your web browser says to mr kernel "which nic should I use?"
[11:55] <seth> herpes,  BIOS power management causing sound to loop?
[11:55] <kestas> it looks at the netmask to find out
[11:55] <eater773> when i install ubuntu... can't configure those two lancard... so i set it up manually...
[11:55] <kestas> eater773: show us ifconfig
[11:55] <kestas> type ifconfig
[11:56] <kestas> and show us the output
[11:56] <kestas> paste it into pastebin.com
[11:56] <kestas> seth: hmmm
[11:56] <kestas> weird problem
[11:56] <kestas> but not uncommon I dont think
[11:56] <chocoIate> fine, where do i find a list of linmodems
[11:56] <kestas> given up choc?
[11:56] <kestas> :)
[11:56] <chocoIate> what modems are supported properly under linux
[11:56] <herpes> seth, could be if it happens randomly, weird things are happening with my box and sound some times it works others it loops and the crashes everything
[11:56] <eater773> how will i do it..
[11:56] <chocoIate> what can i do :P
[11:57] <kestas> eater773: type ifconfig in a gnome terminal
[11:57] <chocoIate> i cant give up on linux simply because i purchased ms specific hardware :P
[11:57] <kestas> and copy and paste it into pastebin.com
[11:57] <eater773> looking for the gnome terminal..pls. wait..
[11:57] <kestas> seth: using the esd plugin
[11:57] <kestas> seth: go into configure
[11:57] <seth> herpes,  never thought BIOS power management would mess with sound looping. I could understand if I was running on battery, but I'm plugged into the A/C.
[11:57] <kestas> seth: and turn the buffer up
[11:57] <kestas> seth: and the % buffered
[11:58] <kestas> eater773: Applications>system tools>root terminal
[11:58] <seth> How high up should I put the buffer size? 4000?
[11:58] <kestas> hmm not sure, put it up real high
[11:58] <kestas> try 10000
[11:58] <kestas> ten seconds of buffer that should be
[11:58] <seth> I put it to 6600./
[11:58] <kestas> okay
[11:58] <kestas> put the % up to 50
[11:59] <kestas> I dunno what that does
[11:59] <kestas> but turn it up
[11:59] <kestas> and try an mp3
[11:59] <seth> Am doing right now.
[11:59] <seth> So far so good.
[11:59] <seth> I've just been letting them play.
[11:59] <seth> BT - Communicate. Good song.
[11:59] <kestas> all music is rubbish imho
[12:00] <kestas> some is just more rubbish than other
[12:00] <seth> ALL music?
[12:00] <eater773> where will i paste ....
[12:00] <eater773> where will i paste it....
[12:00] <kestas> eater773: pastebin.com
[12:00] <Seveas> ding-dong
[12:00] <Seveas> goodmorning :)
[12:00] <kestas> morning
[12:01] <seth> Top of the morning to ya.
[12:01] <kestas> seth: if it still hasnt skipped try doing some system intensive stuff
[12:01] <seth> Yeah it hasn't am I am.
[12:01] <Echelon-H> Hi, I seem to have problems with the LiveCD, can anyone help me?
[12:01] <seth> Oh, there it went!
[12:01] <kestas> seth: and check out hdparm to see if your hdd is slow
[12:02] <eater773> where can i locate pastebin.com.....
[12:02] <Echelon-H> www.rafb.net?
[12:02] <kestas> I dont know, america probably
[12:02] <eater773> pls... just need ur help guys..
[12:03] <kestas> pastebin.com
[12:03] <kestas> its a url?
[12:03] <seth> kestas,  can I send this to you in a private chat?
[12:03] <kestas> put it an a web browser
[12:03] <kestas> seth: k
[12:03] <clsk> eLLo
[12:03] <briza> got a problem, if i run #clear i get TERM enviroment variable not set
[12:03] <briza> how can i set that?
[12:03] <clsk> How good is unbut's support for wireless network card?
[12:03] <_simple> hmm why do i get this when trying to ./configure alsa? x: Please, install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution
[12:03] <_simple> or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel
[12:03] <_simple> sources (default is /usr/src/linux).
[12:04] <_simple> it's not so bad clsk, mad help on them
[12:04] <Seveas> briza, export TERM=xterm
[12:04] <_simple> what's your specific card?
[12:04] <Seveas> clsk, fairly good
[12:04] <clsk> I
[12:04] <briza> Seveas like in set TERM=xterm?
[12:04] <clsk> I
[12:04] <clsk> erm
[12:04] <eater773> i done it.... thanks... so what next...
[12:04] <clsk> I'll find out.
[12:04] <clsk> One sec.
[12:04] <_simple> yeah you should do that
[12:04] <Echelon-H> Hmmmm I operate the LiveCD and my Ubuntu is VERY slow, can anyone help me?
[12:04] <_simple> take two seconds if you need them
[12:04] <_simple> yeah dont' use the live cd
[12:05] <_simple> get a faster cd drive
[12:05] <edylie> ubuntu rocks!
[12:05] <lesshaste> anyone know how to copy mail from an mbox file to an IMAP account? (I only have normal IMAP access not a shell account)?
[12:05] <briza> Seveas if i do set | grep TERM i get TERM=dumb
[12:05] <Seveas> briza, export TERM=xterm is for bourne shell compatible shells (sh, bash, ksh) setenv TERM vt100 (without the =) is for csh and tcsh
[12:05] <Seveas> briza, which terminal emulator are you using?
[12:05] <briza> Seveas k thanks
[12:05] <_simple> i'm sure there are boot "cheats" Echelon-H  you can do those
[12:05] <clsk> Atheros AR5001X+
[12:05] <clsk> That's it.
[12:05] <Seveas> clsk, works like a charm
[12:05] <_simple> like if you have alot of ram atleast a gig, you can laod it all to the ram shouldnt' be too bad
[12:06] <Seveas> these words come to you via an atheros wifi card :)
[12:06] <lesshaste> or from one IMAP account to another?
[12:06] <clsk> hehe
[12:06] <Tallia1> hi guys... can you tell me what's the name of the best multimedia player in linux?!?
[12:06] <clsk> Thank you.
[12:06] <Tallia1> tnx, andrea
[12:06] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, whatever is best for you
[12:06] <Seveas> Tallia1, that's a matter of opinion :)
[12:06] <_simple> yeah, linksys wrt54g here
[12:06] <Tallia1> :)
[12:06] <_simple> and linksys sucks balls
[12:06] <_simple> all together
[12:06] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, by default, rhythmbox and totema re installed
[12:06] <Seveas> vlc, totem, xine, mplayer, muine
[12:06] <eater773> kestas ... u still there ??
[12:06] <kestas> hi
[12:06] <Tallia1> i don't have totem
[12:06] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, also try out muine, xine, gxine, xmms
[12:06] <kestas> _simple: you need to install kernel-sources
[12:06] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, movie player
[12:07] <kestas> _simple: you need to install linux-sources that is
[12:07] <Seveas> Burgundavia, s/xmms/beep-media-player/
[12:07] <Echelon-H> Dude, I got the latest NEC drive, there can't be better drive than that.
[12:07] <Seveas> :)
[12:07] <eater773> kestas... what my next move...
[12:07] <Echelon-H> Why is it so slow?
[12:07] <kestas> eater773: give us the pastebin.com url
[12:07] <_simple> because you're running and os from a cd..
[12:07] <briza> Seveas thanks , #clear works now , and where are all those variables stored, in what file(s) ?
[12:07] <Tallia1> and a music player that is compatible with the creative zen!?
[12:07] <count0nz> hes at http://pastebin.com/285999
[12:07] <_simple> obviously will be much faster installed
[12:07] <eater773> kestas.... http://pastebin.com/285999
[12:08] <Seveas> briza, depends on your terminal emulator and shell
[12:08] <Seveas> if you use a standard ubuntu setup this should work from start, dunno about kubuntu
[12:08] <briza> Seveas im using BASH
[12:08] <Seveas> briza, and which terminal emulator? gnome-terminal, xterm, konsole?
[12:08] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, http://www.linux.ie/articles/tutorials/zen.php
[12:09] <kestas> eater773: and what prob are you having again?
[12:09] <Seveas> Echelon-H, dma?
[12:09] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, look for gnomad in the repos
[12:09] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, it should work
[12:09] <eater773> browsing other in network ....
[12:09] <hayden> whats the easiest way to install an ftp server so i can copy files to /var/www ?
[12:09] <kestas> eater773: what happens when you ping 192.168.1.1?
[12:09] <edylie> apt-get install proftpd
[12:10] <edylie> hayden you could use scp.
[12:10] <kestas> (the IP of another comp in your network)?
[12:10] <Seveas> hayden, that sounds illogical, what do you want to do?
[12:10] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, install that and just connect the device, ignore what the webpage tells you
[12:10] <Tallia1> tnz again andrea......:) :-*
[12:10] <lesshaste> http://migrationtool.sourceforge.net/ seems to do the trick
[12:10] <Seveas> argh
[12:10] <hayden> Seveas: how does copying files to a web server sounds illogical?
[12:10] <hayden> sound*
[12:10] <briza> Seveas xterm
[12:10] <eater773> eth1 is VIA buildin - internet ... eth0 - D-link network.... pinging 192.168.1.1 is for router on a linksys
[12:10] <edylie> ubuntu rocks
[12:10] <edylie> i am in love with it
[12:10] <edylie> hhahahaha
[12:10] <kestas> eater773: ping another comp on your network
[12:11] <kestas> ah wait
[12:11] <Seveas> briza, try gnome-terminal and see if you need to do that export trick too
[12:11] <kestas> no dont wiat
[12:11] <kestas> eater773: ping another comp on your network
[12:11] <hayden> Seveas?
[12:11] <eater773> ok... i will try...
[12:11] <Tallia1> i'm trying
[12:11] <Seveas> hayden, well, ftp servers are meant for transferring across a network where your question looked like you wanted to transfer files locally :)
[12:11] <Seveas> hayden, but scp / sftp is better (secure)
[12:11] <hayden> duh
[12:12] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, is it working?
[12:12] <briza> Seveas well im using BASH and the emulator is xterm
[12:12] <Tallia1> i don't know..!!
[12:12] <flodine> a guys im trying to install a package and i did force new version but when i hit apply nothing happen whats wrong?
[12:12] <Tallia1> it's happening something strange..
[12:12] <Tallia1> the gnomad and totem windows are freeze both
[12:13] <Tallia1> why!?
[12:13] <Tallia1> but it isn't fault of gnomad ........ i'm sure..!!
[12:13] <flodine> anyone try forcing a new verion of a package before
[12:13] <briza> Seveas the man pages don't say much
[12:14] <eater773> pinging 169.254.9.254 - no reply....
[12:14] <kestas> 169??
[12:14] <kestas> why 169?
[12:14] <Seveas> briza, does it happen with other terminal emulators too?
[12:14] <kestas> I thought your lan was on 192?
[12:14] <flodine> ding dong anyone home
[12:14] <Taliesin`> 169.254 is a private ip range, which is genrealyl an IP u get when a DHCP fails to give you an IP
[12:14] <Taliesin`> or rather
[12:14] <Taliesin`> their is no DHCP
[12:14] <kestas> flodine: man dpkg
[12:14] <eater773> 169--- network address... 192-internet router address...
[12:14] <kestas> probably has something on it
[12:14] <shinzui> hi all
[12:14] <Taliesin`> ho god
[12:15] <Taliesin`> i've never heard of anyone using 169.* for a network range before
[12:15] <Taliesin`> thats just.. evil :P
[12:15] <shinzui> i need some help ...
[12:15] <Taliesin`> 192.* mixed with 10.* yes.... but 169.* is just.. wrong! :)
[12:15] <kestas> 169 is class B Taliesin`
[12:15] <eater773> coz' some company set this thing up... so can u help me..
[12:15] <seth> On?
[12:15] <lesshaste> is it possible to script mutt or pine or something similar?
[12:15] <Taliesin`> (eater773): why dont you try changing the 169.* range to a 10.* range and see if your issue fixes up :)
[12:15] <briza> Seveas nope, now after doing the export TERM=xterm , /bin/bash clear works, but what i wanted to now i where does this export command exports things
[12:15] <kestas> Taliesin`: what??
[12:16] <kestas> eater773: if you change your network comps to 192 itll fix the problem
[12:16] <kestas> eater773: or if you change your router to 169
[12:16] <kestas> and your eth0 ip
[12:16] <Seveas> briza, only into memory :)
[12:16] <kestas> either will solve the problem
[12:16] <Seveas> briza, you can put that command in your ~/.bashrc if you want
[12:17] <Echelon-H> :(
[12:17] <briza> Seveas cool :)
[12:17] <Echelon-H> ain't it supposed to run fast?
[12:17] <flodine> kertas im trying to install a package from synaptic and it says a new version is out so now what
[12:17] <Burgundavia> flodine, which pacakge?
[12:17] <kestas> flodine: install the new version?
[12:17] <kestas> maybe?
[12:17] <flodine> fluxbox 9.13
[12:17] <Taliesin`> damnit, security.* adn backports.* are so sloow, are their any mirrors for those services?
[12:18] <kestas> Taliesin`: yeup and your encouraged to use em
[12:18] <kestas> Taliesin`: see if your isp mirrors it
[12:18] <kestas> Taliesin`: and failing that use your local countrys mirror
[12:18] <Burgundavia> flodine, currently hoary is frozen. the new version is only going to enter breezy
[12:18] <kestas> us.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:18] <kestas> or something
[12:18] <Taliesin`> lol
[12:18] <Seveas> kestas, there are no mirrors for security afaik
[12:18] <Taliesin`> I am an ISP
[12:19] <Seveas> and there are none for backports for sure
[12:19] <flodine> noway
[12:19] <kestas> Seveas: my isp mirrors security
[12:19] <Seveas> backports are icky...
[12:19] <Seveas> kestas, ah :)
[12:19] <kestas> Seveas: probably a bad idea getting security from my isp
[12:19] <Taliesin`> infact i run one of the ubuntu mirrors :P i jsut didnt think security and backports were allowed to be mirrord :)
[12:19] <kestas> Seveas: but meh :)
[12:19] <flodine> then it time for ubuntu to go by by
[12:19] <Seveas> Taliesin`, backports isn't an official ubuntu project
[12:19] <Taliesin`> ahh ok
[12:19] <flodine> i cant get a new verion of a wm this sucks
[12:19] <Taliesin`> however security is, dont suppose they have a wiki entry on what server to mirror from do they? :)
[12:20] <Kimppa> Hi. When I start dcgui-qt, everything works fine. But when I restart it, it's all f*ed up, meaning all the icons are missing, font's are correct and all settings are missing. The only way to get it back to the way it was, is to delete the .dc/ folder - but that means I can never restart dc, but some options require a restart. Anyone have ideas what may be causing this - or how to fix it?
[12:20] <Seveas> Taliesin`, use the search my friend :)
[12:20] <Taliesin`> so i can set it up on the mirror I run :)
[12:20] <Burgundavia> flodine, hoary is now stable. New version might cause all kinds of bugs
[12:20] <Taliesin`> search hates me and crashes firefox (evil?)
[12:20] <flodine> omg
[12:20] <Taliesin`> even after lots of re-installs :P
[12:20] <Seveas> Taliesin`, ouch...
[12:20] <Seveas> s/lynx/links -g/ :)
[12:20] <Taliesin`> haha
[12:20] <Taliesin`> :)
[12:21] <Seveas> links -g rocks :)
[12:21] <kestas> if by rocks you mean sucks
[12:21] <kestas> then yes
[12:21] <kestas> "JavaScript error!"
[12:21] <kestas> "JavaScript error!"
[12:21] <kestas> bah
[12:21] <flodine> is there a way i can force a new verion
[12:22] <kestas> flodine: not without risking breakage
[12:22] <Seveas> flodine, you can try pinning and use the breezy package
[12:22] <Seveas> flodine, or install from source :)
[12:22] <kestas> flodine: but if youre feeling daring grab the deb
[12:22] <kestas> and man dpkg
[12:22] <flodine> ok
[12:22] <kestas> therell probably be an -f option
[12:22] <flodine> i feel risky
[12:22] <Burgundavia> flodine, breezy has .12
[12:23] <kestas> flodine: whats the latest fluxbox got?
[12:23] <Burgundavia> kestas, .13
[12:23] <Burgundavia> debian has .12
[12:23] <kestas> I mean what extra feature
[12:23] <kestas> I mean what extra features
[12:23] <Burgundavia> kestas, http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/version-0.9.php
[12:24] <kestas> thats the flashiest OSS website Ive ever seen
[12:24] <count0nz> i love how nz.archive.ubantu.org is in the uk :)
[12:25] <kestas> wow thats an ultra trendy looking fluxbox screenshot
[12:25] <kestas> too bad youve got to be 5mm from the monitor to read anything
[12:25] <seth> kestas,  sounds good so far.
[12:25] <seth> First thing I did was fire up XMMS.
[12:25] <Seveas> count0nz, a lot of $COUNTRYCODE.archive.ubuntu.com actually just point to archive.ubuntu.com
[12:25] <kestas> what did you disable?
[12:25] <kestas> in the bios?
[12:25] <Seveas> count0nz, that just means that there is no archive in that country yet
[12:25] <count0nz> Seveas, :) i go found a real ocal mirror
[12:25] <count0nz> :)
[12:26] <chocoIate> hwo do you know a modem is a linmodem, should i just buy any external modem on serial port ;-?
[12:26] <count0nz> Seveas, prob:)
[12:26] <seth> Power Management, along with docking options, since I don't have a docking station.
[12:26] <kestas> chocoIate: youll know if its a linmodem if its expensive and was hard to find
[12:26] <kestas> hmm
[12:27] <kestas> you should full gnome now
[12:27] <kestas> with power management still disable
[12:27] <kestas> then youll see if its power management
[12:27] <seth> kestas,  oh, I forgot to go into failsafe. I'm in full gnome.
[12:27] <npiv> is gnome-bittorrent any good or are there other programs that would be considerable faster ?
[12:27] <kestas> oh okay well there you go
[12:27] <count0nz> That Fluxbox is prettty tho
[12:27] <kestas> power management
[12:27] <kestas> you should now troubleshoot to find out what it is in power management thats messing it up
[12:28] <kestas> count0nz: not with those fonts
[12:28] <kestas> count0nz: too small
[12:28] <hayden> how do i change the domain of the computer e.g to WORKGROUP
[12:28] <kestas> hayden: /etc/domain
[12:28] <kestas> or something?
[12:28] <kestas> nm,
[12:28] <count0nz> :P
[12:29] <count0nz> Any repo's for gkrelm ?
[12:29] <kestas> count0nz: try gnome-system monitor first
[12:29] <kestas> for an integrated gtkrellm
[12:30] <Taliesin`> bah, even au.archive.ubuntu.com points to the main one :/
[12:30] <hayden> lol ok kestas
[12:30] <thenuke> http://www.deviantart.com/view/17908194/   made with MSPaint
[12:30] <Taliesin`> even thou i see a few repo's in australia :/
[12:30] <kestas> we need our repos
[12:30] <johnnybezak> hey hey
[12:31] <kestas> thenuke: I dont believe it
[12:31] <kestas> thenuke: that cant be paint
[12:31] <kestas> no way hosay
[12:31] <thenuke> kestas: look closely :) it's pretty clear then
[12:31] <thenuke> kestas: the details
[12:32] <kestas> hmm yeah actually
[12:32] <kestas> he just blurred it I think
[12:32] <thenuke> the one who made it has used paintshop to blur some things
[12:32] <kestas> k
[12:32] <npiv> Im dowloading a bittorrent and its slow as hell, I though this was highly praised because of its speed and all that crap ?
[12:32] <npiv> whats the deal
[12:32] <johnnybezak> npiv: its praised because its destributed
[12:32] <kestas> npiv: its fast if everyone has it
[12:33] <flodine> ok guys i really enjoyed ubuntu but if can get a simple wm thats not right
[12:33] <johnnybezak> npiv: it's only quick if lots of people have the torrent
[12:33] <kestas> npiv: but its usually damn slow :)
[12:33] <kestas> as is all p2p
[12:33] <seth> Damnit.
[12:33] <npiv> I see, well thats a shame
[12:33] <kestas> flodine: you can get it, you just ahve to compile it yourself
[12:33] <flodine> i got to wait on breezy
[12:33] <kestas> seth: skipping?
[12:33] <johnnybezak> flodine: whats the matter
[12:34] <seth> kestas,  no, not at all. My volume up/down buttons stopped working. The little applet that pops up at the bottom up the screen shows up, but it doesn't raise or lower the volume.
[12:34] <flodine> i tryed to run it with the debian package
[12:34] <johnnybezak> seth: what are you using?
[12:34] <flodine> it wont install
[12:34] <seth> johnnybezak,  what do you mean?
[12:34] <kestas> flodine: you using a --force parameter to dpkg like I said?
[12:34] <johnnybezak> seth: to use the volume buttons
[12:34] <kestas> or if not --force then whatever it says to use in man dpkg
[12:35] <seth> johnnybezak,  I set them through keyboard shortcuts. They were working about 5 minutes ago before I rebooted.
[12:35] <kestas> seth: can you change the vol in xmms?
[12:35] <johnnybezak> seth: haha my advice: if things are working don't reboot
[12:35] <flodine> how d i force install
[12:35] <seth> kestas,  using the slider, yes.
[12:35] <kestas> flodine: man dpkg for the fourth time
[12:35] <seth> Using the buttons, no.
[12:36] <_bob> is ahc_dv_0 in the process list my scsi driver?
[12:36] <kestas> seth: what about when you use the esd output plugin?
[12:36] <flodine> second time hello
[12:36] <seth> johnnybezak,  things weren't working. The buttons were, but my system was locking up for half a second every 5 seconds or so.
[12:36] <johnnybezak> seth: :P
[12:36] <seth> kestas,  nope. Still using the esd and the buttons still don't work.
[12:36] <kestas> phear
[12:36] <Tallia1> ;)
[12:36] <kestas> hmm
[12:37] <IIIEars> kestas - Newbs got you on the run? - I appreciate your help.   (hands over two aspirin)
[12:37] <kestas> Im gonna need something stronger IIIEars
[12:38] <seth> Also, for some reason, I can't add the volume control applet to the GNOME taskbar.
[12:38] <kestas> seth: okay
[12:38] <kestas> seth: hmm
[12:38] <seth> And if I do say so, that is pissing me off.
[12:38] <npiv> If I decide to stick out bittorrent for a while is there a better client than the default ?
[12:38] <kestas> so it plays using esd output?
[12:38] <kestas> but the gnome volume changer doesnt work?
[12:38] <BockBilbo> hello
[12:38] <seth> kestas,  yeah sound is working fine. Not skipping anymore at all.
[12:38] <seth> Exactly.
[12:39] <kestas> seth: try alsa output plugin
[12:39] <seth> The little window that shows the volume appears though.
[12:39] <BockBilbo> im in a hurry, ive just updated my breezy system, and it messed up my xserver configuration
[12:39] <BockBilbo> the xserver wont open now
[12:39] <BockBilbo> it says
[12:39] <kestas> seth: does the slider work or does it stay in one place?
[12:39] <kestas> seth: (for the gnome volume slider?)
[12:39] <IIIEars> npiv - open the torrent in another workspace and the client won't be in your way.
[12:39] <BockBilbo> "could not open default font "fixed" "
[12:39] <seth> kestas,  the applet that shows up?
[12:39] <we2by> fuck
[12:40] <we2by> I think some one get into my box
[12:40] <kestas> seth: the speaker thing on the gnome panel
[12:40] <kestas> seth: you click it and a slider appears, windows-style?
[12:40] <npiv> IIIEars - its not in my way It just seems limited , I have no way of seeign my total upload, somethng Id like to keep an eye on
[12:40] <BockBilbo> "Fatal server error.."
[12:40] <seth> kestas,  I just got done saying that it won't add itself to the panel.
[12:40] <BockBilbo> anyone has an idea of what happens?
[12:40] <kestas> ah right
[12:40] <kestas> hmm
[12:40] <BockBilbo> ..
[12:40] <IIIEars> 2nd tab in the small text on top
[12:41] <kestas> seth: maybe a reboot would be worth a shot?
[12:41] <we2by> does some one have this in their output when doing ps aux?
[12:41] <we2by> 101       6568  0.0  0.1   2252  1160 ?        Ss   May16   0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-d
[12:41] <seth> kestas,  I just rebooted and it stopped working.
[12:41] <kestas> seth: maybe another reboot would make it start working then?
[12:41] <kestas> seth: worth a shot I guess
[12:41] <seth> kestas,  this isn't Windows, but I'll try it.
[12:41] <npiv> we2by, yes
[12:41] <kestas> seth: maybe just log in and out?
[12:42] <seth> I'll try a log out.
[12:42] <kestas> seth: I would sto-- bah
[12:42] <IIIEars> newbs like me need a windows restore partition "training wheels" - lol
[12:43] <vicks> is it just me, or is firefox leaking A LOT memory?
[12:43] <seth> There we go.
[12:43] <tarzeau2> can i learn more african words here?
[12:43] <IIIEars> wicks n here this morning had nearly 40 tabs open
[12:44] <seth> Anyone mind sharing screenshots of their desktop?
[12:44] <npiv> tarzeau2, yes, gobonto dimali' tsss kraksn popado ma' bo
[12:44] <tarzeau2> seth: www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/amiwm.png
[12:44] <IIIEars> "jambo" - means hello?
[12:44] <tarzeau2> seth: oh wait my isp broke
[12:44] <tarzeau2> npiv: adn that means?
[12:44] <vicks> in xp, i had these problems back in like 1.0.1, but over time the mwmoryproblems seems to have been fixed
[12:44] <seth> tarzeau2,  I see.
[12:45] <npiv> tarzeau2 - I have a big imagination :)
[12:45] <goldfish> seth: http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~goldfish/Screenshot-3.png
[12:45] <tarzeau2> goldfish: that's not UBUNTO!
[12:45] <vicks> with teo windoews open, and firefox running for 5 min, it eats 122 mb
[12:45] <tarzeau2> goldfish: ubunto is brown!
[12:46] <vicks> two windows that is
[12:46] <goldfish> tarzeau2: it is ubuntu
[12:46] <tarzeau2> goldfish: but yours is black
[12:46] <goldfish> i got a new wallpaper
[12:46] <kestas> ah dont you love xfces composite
[12:46] <seth> tarzeau2,  you can change things.
[12:46] <tarzeau2> goldfish: that's not gnome either
[12:46] <kestas> I wish metacity had better composite stuff
[12:46] <goldfish> it's xfce4
[12:46] <seth> goldfish,  what is that running in the bottom left corner?
[12:46] <IIIEars> << Hopes the word "Grateful" isn't lost in translation to Ubuntu team.
[12:46] <BockBilbo> hello?
[12:47] <Schattenkind> Greetings
[12:47] <goldfish> seth: torsmo
[12:47] <seth> That looks sexy.
[12:47] <Schattenkind> Ubuntu is great!
[12:47] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: why?
[12:48] <Schattenkind> I love it, great design
[12:48] <Schattenkind> And it works
[12:48] <tarzeau2> will ubuntu always be free software?
[12:48] <Schattenkind> YES!
[12:49] <tarzeau2> on the web page it only says "free of charge" which is a large difference
[12:49] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: how do you know? are you ubunto?
[12:49] <IIIEars> Ubuntu has something on their site being "Forever Free"
[12:49] <npiv> tarzeau2, it will be, its part of the linux philosophy
[12:49] <Schattenkind> Cause Linux is free software, and so ubuntu is too
[12:49] <kestas> here we go..;.
[12:49] <kestas> yeesh
[12:49] <tarzeau2> npiv: shouldn't they write it like that, so it's unmistakenly ?
[12:50] <Schattenkind> You should ask: Will Linux stay free?
[12:50] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: there's some distros that throw in non-free stuff, look at gentoo
[12:50] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: no that's not what i asked or care about
[12:50] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: linux can be replaced
[12:50] <seth> tarzeau2,  what did Gentoo add that wasn't free?
[12:50] <tarzeau2> seth: plenty
[12:51] <IIIEars> of linux philosophy say the software is free. but, you should do what you can to help improve the tools you use and share them.
[12:51] <Schattenkind> So your question is: will ubuntu always bring along free software?
[12:51] <seth> Please tell, as I used Gentoo for about a year off and on.
[12:51] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: exclusively free software
[12:51] <tarzeau2> seth: ok let me look, one moment
[12:51] <Schattenkind> Well, I don't know the answer...
[12:52] <IIIEars> "WE are each responsible for linux being a success"
[12:52] <seth> Is it safe to remove evolution?
[12:52] <kestas> Im not
[12:52] <Schattenkind> There is some non-free software I like and use
[12:52] <tarzeau2> seth: for example netscape
[12:52] <seth> Netscape is free.
[12:52] <tarzeau2> seth: it's not free software
[12:52] <kestas> seth: if you remove evolution you may have to remove ubuntu-desktop
[12:52] <IIIEars> Thats just it freedom
[12:52] <tarzeau2> seth: i'm talking of the definition at www.gnu.org
[12:52] <seth> The browser you can download from their site.
[12:52] <kestas> seth: which is a meta package which you shouldnt remove
[12:52] <seth> tarzeau2,  oh, ok.
[12:53] <seth> Damnit. I hate evolution.
[12:53] <Schattenkind> Maple is a great commercial programm, I will always use it
[12:53] <tarzeau2> seth: i don't care for free of charge
[12:53] <seth> tarzeau2,  I thought you meant free as in beer, not free as in speech.
[12:53] <tarzeau2> seth: now it's clear.
[12:53] <kestas> how is beer free?
[12:53] <BockBilbo> this absolutly suck
[12:53] <seth> It's not, that is the point.
[12:53] <BockBilbo> :S
[12:53] <kestas> beer aint free for me
[12:53] <tarzeau2> kestas: it isn't
[12:53] <BockBilbo> i guess i'll have to reinstall ubuntu
[12:53] <BockBilbo> :S
[12:53] <seth> Free as in speech, not free as in beer.
[12:54] <seth> BockBilbo,  yeah, don't update your breezy.
[12:54] <kestas> but why beer?
[12:54] <BockBilbo> seth, why no?
[12:54] <Schattenkind> But in my Ubuntu somethings don't work :-(
[12:54] <BockBilbo> t
[12:54] <seth> Because everyone likes beer?
[12:54] <seth> BockBilbo,  it's broken?
[12:54] <BockBilbo> ive been always using instable versions of debian and ubuntu
[12:54] <seth> Did you not read the MOTD on joining this channel?
[12:55] <kestas> thats the topic
[12:55] <kestas> :P
[12:55] <Schattenkind> xmms and mplayer don't work on my desktop
[12:55] <BockBilbo> well it seens that after the upgrade the xserver cannot find the fonts
[12:55] <seth> PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY
[12:55] <seth> Blah, you all knew what I meant.
[12:55] <IIIEars> lol@seth
[12:55] <kestas> Schattenkind: they dont work how?
[12:55] <tarzeau2> ubunto has lame?
[12:55] <kestas> Schattenkind: more info needed
[12:55] <Schattenkind> I don't know
[12:55] <BockBilbo> seth why do you say to not use it?
[12:55] <Schattenkind> They suddenly stop
[12:55] <kestas> Schattenkind: open them from a terminal, and tell us what the error is
[12:56] <Schattenkind> Maybe later
[12:56] <seth> If the developers say not to, then obviously something is wrong with the package...
[12:56] <Schattenkind> I need a break now
[12:56] <BockBilbo> ...
[12:56] <IIIEars> seth - would you like another aspirin buddy?
[12:56] <urb85> hello all
[12:56] <kestas> ...
[12:56] <seth> IIIEars,  I just popped like 4 of them.
[12:56] <kestas> Schattenkind: why come in here ask us for help then say you need a break?
[12:56] <IIIEars> :)
[12:57] <tarzeau2> can i get a list of multiverse packages that only exist in ubuntu, but not in debian?
[12:57] <Schattenkind> That was not the reason for my coming
[12:57] <kestas> your coming?
[12:57] <seth> kestas,  you have the link to that nice fluxbox setup you saw? The one you said you need to be 5mm from the screen for.
[12:57] <Schattenkind> Does anybody know a equalizer for Totem Player?
[12:57] <liable> tarzeau2: marrilatt has it I think
[12:57] <kestas> seth: its on the fluxbox project website
[12:57] <Schattenkind> +n
[12:57] <clsk> Is 10gb enough for an ubuntu installation?
[12:57] <BockBilbo> clsk yes
[12:57] <urb85> clsk, yes
[12:57] <seth> clsk,  yes.
[12:57] <seth> lol
[12:57] <kestas> Schattenkind: I thought you were taking a break?
[12:57] <herpes> liable, is it not universe?
[12:57] <clsk> hehe
[12:57] <clsk> Thanks.
[12:57] <tarzeau2> herpes: it is
[12:58] <Schattenkind> A break from  xmms and mplayer
[12:58] <BockBilbo> seth, so the Ubuntu developers are saying not to use breezy yet...
[12:58] <IIIEars> seth - i am a long time M$ junkie - editing the source code and compiling a program is better than sex.
[12:58] <Schattenkind> and from my scanner, which doesn't work too
[12:58] <BockBilbo> mmm when are we supposed to start using it?
[12:58] <IIIEars> okay - almost
[12:58] <seth> IIIEars,  you must not be fucking the right people then. I say people because I don't know your sexual orientation.
[12:58] <count0nz> there doing g++ 4 updates now its kinda broke
[12:59] <IIIEars> Can't do that with M4 stuff
[12:59] <seth> BockBilbo,  as soon as they say it's fixed?
[12:59] <herpes> IIIEars, there is something wrong with you if you think that.
[12:59] <IIIEars> rofl
[12:59] <Schattenkind> Sorry, my english could be better...
[12:59] <urb85> clsk, I have got a 30g hdd and after Ubuntu installation plus other lots of progs, I used only 4gig
[12:59] <BockBilbo> seth, and where do they announce all of tha stuff? in the mailing list?
[01:00] <seth> I'm on a 27GB hard drive and after I've installed lots of packages, I'm only down to 24GBs.
[01:00] <seth> BockBilbo,  that, and you can stop in here and check the title.
[01:00] <count0nz> 6.5Gig useded and thats inludeing 2gig music and a few cdimages
[01:00] <Schattenkind> Can I use divx codecs on Linux?
[01:00] <seth> Yes.
[01:00] <BockBilbo> mmm i usually check the theme of the channel... but not used to using bitchx...
[01:01] <BockBilbo> so i havent read it
[01:01] <Schattenkind> well
[01:01] <cusco> Schattenkind: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[01:01] <IIIEars> the last windows install i did was 10 CDs - (bloat?) - Ubuntu is great.
[01:01] <count0nz> anyone useing xawdecode + xawdecode-plugins ?
[01:01] <seth> IIIEars,  What fucking version was that?
[01:01] <tarzeau2> count0nz: yes
[01:01] <tarzeau2> count0nz: i use it without -plugins
[01:02] <IIIEars> Hewlett Packard OEM - model  t238
[01:02] <Schattenkind> I already did @cusco
[01:02] <tarzeau2> count0nz: what version do you use of it?
[01:02] <IIIEars> T3828
[01:02] <count0nz> tarzeau2, ahhh... ok :( xawdecode works fine its the plugins thats my prob :)
[01:02] <seth> IIIEars,  10 CDs for a Windows install?!
[01:02] <tarzeau2> count0nz: what kind of plugins? to do what?
[01:02] <cusco> Schattenkind: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:02] <Schattenkind> What's better? KDE or Gnome?
[01:03] <kestas> here we go..
[01:03] <seth> GNOME!
[01:03] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: GNUstep
[01:03] <seth> GNOME! GNOME! GNOME!
[01:03] <ahmeni> ion!
[01:03] <cusco> Schattenkind: whatever suits you better.
[01:03] <count0nz> tarzeau2, 1.9.3 and 1.4.8 plugins
[01:03] <tarzeau2> count0nz: where did you download from?
[01:03] <IIIEars> yep - trial ware - some cds were only partly filled - doesn't mean you can go away you got to be there to put in each one.
[01:03] <seth> Dear god man, for the love of god and all that is holy, DO NOT USE KDE!~
[01:03] <Schattenkind> I love the Gnome design, but some KDE progs run better on my computer
[01:03] <tarzeau2> count0nz: i don't remember having used plugins ever. what are they good for? what tv channels do you watch w/ it?
[01:03] <count0nz> tarzeau2, the plugins decode pay tv (kinda grey area) just wondered if anyone had it working)
[01:04] <tarzeau2> count0nz: is it possible the plugins were in the main tarball, earlier? because it works fine here
[01:04] <tarzeau2> count0nz: yes i have it working
[01:04] <Schattenkind> I would rather use Gnome, but... it doesn't work as well as KDE on MY comp
[01:04] <Schattenkind> :-(
[01:04] <seth> Then use KDE.
[01:04] <seth> Whatever works for you.
[01:04] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: try GNUstep
[01:04] <seth> That is the beauty of *nix: Choice.
[01:04] <Schattenkind> GNUstep?
[01:04] <clsk> another question.. what are the differences between the list, torrent and manifest versions?
[01:04] <seth> I'm going to kill myself now.
[01:04] <count0nz> tarzeau2, i can watch reg tv its just when i watch encoded tv lol... ok what version of xawdecode do you have ?
[01:04] <seth> One drag at a time.
[01:04] <clsk> of the image files
[01:04] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: yeah, should be in multiverse
[01:04] <seth> Back in a few guys.
[01:05] <Schattenkind> And what is GNUstep?
[01:05] <tarzeau2> count0nz: i can't check. my isp sucks
[01:05] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: better than GNOME and KDE together
[01:05] <count0nz> tarzeau2, np
[01:05] <Schattenkind> Okay, I will try
[01:05] <count0nz> tarzeau2, thanks... more out of intrst cos i can't find xawdecode in reps... i got it from SF page tho...
[01:05] <count0nz> xdtv works great also
[01:06] <tarzeau2> count0nz: is it still downloadable? the plugins?
[01:06] <tarzeau2> count0nz: i keep my local copy :)
[01:07] <count0nz> yes google xawdecode-plugins
[01:07] <count0nz> source is in german but i have it working
[01:07] <BockBilbo> seth is is possible to go back to hoary by changing the apt sources and doing dist-upgrade?
[01:07] <herpes> does d4x work for anyone? it segfaults when i try and launch it
[01:07] <tarzeau2> count0nz: can you try http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ?
[01:07] <clsk> what are the differences between the list, torrent and manifest versions of the iso image files?
[01:08] <count0nz> going to port it to mythtv :)
[01:08] <count0nz> opening
[01:08] <kestas> BockBilbo: possible I expect but not advisable
[01:08] <tarzeau2> i've seen ubuntu has lame packages in their multiverse
[01:08] <count0nz> tarzeau2, got that fine
[01:08] <BockBilbo> kestas, i know... but just wondering if i could do that instead of reinstalling
[01:08] <Schattenkind> Can I uninstall KDE?
[01:08] <seth> BockBilbo,  honestly, you are asking the wrong guy that question. I've only been using Ubuntu for less then 6 hours.
[01:09] <tarzeau2> i'd like to package www.musickit.org for ubunutu, who could i harass checking my packages?
[01:09] <seth> Schattenkind,  sudo apt-get remove kde
[01:09] <Schattenkind> Oh, thank you
[01:09] <seth> No problem.
[01:09] <hhurtta> clsk: different distribution methods?
[01:09] <kestas> seth: that will only remove the meta package
[01:09] <BockBilbo> seth, that wont remove kde at all
[01:09] <kestas> all the programs will remain
[01:09] <seth> Oh?
[01:09] <seth> Well, how the hell do you remove the programs then?
[01:09] <kestas> yeah its a pita but hell have to go though and remove one by one
[01:10] <seth> I've been doing that for a few programs I wanted to try out, thinking they were gone.
[01:10] <count0nz> schasi, you just type apt-get install kubunatu-desktop (spelling)
[01:10] <kestas> seth: it works for individual programs
[01:10] <fairx> no response from #kubuntu, could some1 please help me install grub?
[01:10] <Schattenkind> Cool, it works!
[01:10] <kestas> but a meta package is just dependant on other programs
[01:10] <kestas> and dependencies arent removed
[01:11] <kestas> Schattenkind: it hasnt removed kde
[01:11] <kestas> Schattenkind: read up
[01:11] <Schattenkind> No, not that
[01:11] <seth> kestas,  for example. I did apt-get install ethereal, just to see what was flying around on my network, and then got rid of it by doing apt-get remove. Is it gone, or is it still there?
[01:11] <BockBilbo> seth, but ethereal its just a program
[01:11] <kestas> seth: ethereal will be gone, but any dependencies it has will remain
[01:11] <seth> kestas,  ok.
[01:11] <hhurtta> clsk: list is just a file list, iso is the real image and torrent is file you need to use when downloading via bittorrent
[01:12] <BockBilbo> kde is a metapackage that includes lots of dependences...
[01:12] <Schattenkind> Okay, now I am happy. My browser works correctly
[01:12] <seth> So, if there are massive deps, then you have to apt-get remove each one?
[01:12] <kestas> yeup
[01:12] <BockBilbo> kestas, but
[01:12] <seth> Eh, whatever.
[01:12] <kestas> seth: my sentiments exactly :)
[01:12] <BockBilbo> i think that if you remove the top dependence package, youll remove the whole kde
[01:12] <kestas> they dont take up much space
[01:12] <BockBilbo> i think there was a package called libkde smthing
[01:12] <seth> That is one thing *nix needs, is an add/remove programs kind of thing.
[01:13] <kestas> BockBilbo: nope fraid not
[01:13] <hyperion> something like debforster?
[01:13] <seth> I believe that is one thing keeping a lot of people from coming to *nix, is the package management.
[01:13] <kestas> BockBilbo: how would it know which are dependencies it should remove and which arent?
[01:14] <kestas> seth: yup theres room for improvement, but therell always be dependencies in an open source os
[01:15] <BockBilbo> kestas, isnt there a dependency tree? i guess that if you remove the package in the root of the tree it will remove the whole tree
[01:15] <kestas> seth: its because everyone likes to have their own little project, instead of working on someone elses
[01:15] <hhurtta> seth: no. the thing that keeps people koming to *nix is that they really believe it works like windows and are not willing to learn anything else
[01:15] <BockBilbo> perhaps i tried that when i was using debian to remove kde
[01:15] <kestas> BockBilbo: the tree goes all the way down to libc
[01:15] <kestas> BockBilbo: and libc is needed by everything
[01:15] <BockBilbo> mm
[01:15] <BockBilbo> yeah
[01:15] <BockBilbo> but in the way there are some packages in which others are deppendant
[01:15] <Hoxzer> Bock: have you ever been in love?
[01:16] <BockBilbo> Hoxzer, wtf=
[01:16] <BockBilbo> ?
[01:16] <BockBilbo> xD
[01:16] <Hoxzer> I dont hope so ...
[01:16] <BockBilbo> why do you say that?
[01:16] <kestas> who care?
[01:16] <kestas> *cares
[01:17] <Schattenkind> Are there no MS trolls here today?
[01:17] <BockBilbo> kestas, i remember removing kde when i used debian, and someone told me in the kde channel to remove an specific packages... i did the apt-get remove kdepkg and asked me if i wanted to remove like 200 packages
[01:17] <kestas> BockBilbo: what gentoo does is keeps a list of all the packages you installed yourself
[01:17] <BockBilbo> mm thats interesting
[01:17] <kestas> BockBilbo: then you can remove a package you installed, and it will remove all the dependencies which you didnt explicitly install
[01:18] <Taliesin`> heh, the mirror bandwidth graph has stopped updating on the ubuntu site :)
[01:18] <kestas> BockBilbo: debian could use something like that ,but it has a few drawbacks
[01:18] <kestas> BockBilbo: but what if you were using k3b, which uses qt and possibly other kde packages?
[01:18] <BockBilbo> as seth said, it would be good to improve that area in ubuntu
[01:19] <BockBilbo> kestas, true...
[01:19] <jpfarias> hi!
[01:19] <Choubaka> kestas: debian does have something like that.
[01:19] <eskaypey> lo
[01:19] <kestas> Choubaka: whats it called?
[01:19] <Choubaka> it's called debfoster
[01:19] <kestas> k thanks
[01:19] <herpes> count0nz, where in nz you from?
[01:19] <Choubaka> or hmm
[01:19] <Choubaka> deborphan too
[01:19] <count0nz> herpes, Auckland
[01:19] <Choubaka> either one of those :p
[01:19] <kestas> ah that rings a bell
[01:19] <jpfarias> does someone know if gnome gdl library is available for ubuntu?
[01:20] <twogood> hi, i'm having problems with evolution-alarm-notify and I want to debug it, but there are no debug symbols and no evolution-dbg package... need I compile it myself to get debug symbols?
[01:20] <eskaypey> can i save files to ntfs from ubuntu live cd?
[01:20] <kestas> Choubaka: hmm thats not quite the same
[01:20] <holycow> no
[01:20] <kestas> Choubaka: its more like pkg_cutleaves in freebsd
[01:20] <kestas> Choubaka: but still handy :)
[01:20] <holycow> eskaypey, there was some preliminary support for saving to ntfs using a windows dll but its no longer supported
[01:20] <Choubaka> kestas: hmm.
[01:20] <Choubaka> I'm new to freebsd.
[01:21] <Choubaka> Just installed it the other day
[01:21] <kestas> its great, like gentoo but more stable
[01:21] <Choubaka> I like it too.
[01:21] <herpes> freebsd is like gentoo?
[01:21] <kestas> learnt unix on freebsd, very good os
[01:21] <Choubaka> though I don't really compile stuff .P
[01:22] <kestas> herpes: in package management anyway
[01:22] <^vir^> hi
[01:22] <herpes> right...
[01:22] <kestas> herpes: why the 'right...'
[01:22] <kestas> phear the dots
[01:22] <kestas> you know portage ports
[01:22] <^vir^> i've just recently brought a geforce card & i'm trying to swap over my ati whats the best way to go about this?
[01:22] <Choubaka> herpes: portage was copied from ports :P
[01:22] <BockBilbo> well
[01:23] <BockBilbo> im going to reinstall hoary
[01:23] <briza> is there some channel about bash scripting?
[01:23] <BockBilbo> and i'll go back to breezy once the problems are fixed and the devs say its ok to switch
[01:23] <BockBilbo> briza,
[01:23] <BockBilbo> #bash
[01:23] <hhurtta> whats wrong with breezy?
[01:23] <kestas> ^vir^: use the nv driver
[01:23] <briza> BockBilbo thanks dude
[01:24] <BockBilbo> hhurtta, well... ive been using it since the week it started
[01:24] <count0nz> hhurtta, G++ 4 being used to compile everythign major brakage
[01:24] <BockBilbo> and... it happens that today, after doing and upgrade
[01:24] <BockBilbo> the xserver stopped working
[01:24] <elcuco> hi, can anyone tell me how to setup a boot splash?
[01:24] <hhurtta> ok. then i just keep my fingers away :)
[01:25] <kestas> elcuco: check the wikis
[01:25] <^vir^> kestas: this is my first time changing a gfx card i don't know exactly how to edit files if i need to
[01:25] <kestas> elcuco: and the forum
[01:25] <BockBilbo> well
[01:25] <BockBilbo> thanks for everything
[01:25] <BockBilbo> cyall
[01:25] <kestas> ^vir^: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf change Driver "ati" or whatever to Driver "nv"
[01:25] <kestas> ^vir^: then switch cards
[01:25] <elcuco> the forums are hard, since i have not found a search option. but the wiki, is a WIP, still looking
[01:26] <BockBilbo> byee
[01:26] <count0nz> going to write some docs on wiki later
[01:26] <^vir^> thanks kestas
[01:26] <kestas> np
[01:27] <teknomaniac> hi i would like to associate file with programs eg when i click avi file ,mplayer run,i know that in KDe is manage center but i have gnome and i couldn't find anything like this
[01:27] <zz> has anyone successfully installed adobe photoshop with crossover office on ubuntu?
[01:27] <jelkner>   can someone tell me the email address to send my hardware info to?
[01:27] <seth> kestas, what do you use to view movies? I mean, DivX videos.
[01:28] <^vir^> zz photoshop 7 is meant to work with crossover office i believe
[01:28] <Riddell> jelkner: use hwdb
[01:28] <eskaypey> does ubuntu livecd comes with captiveNTFS
[01:28] <jelkner> riddle: hwdb@ubuntu.com ?
[01:28] <ogra> jelkner, hwdb@ubunttu.com, yes
[01:29] <ogra> oops
[01:29] <jelkner> thanks!
[01:29] <ogra>  hwdb@ubuntu.com indeed :)
[01:29] <teknomaniac> anyone can help me ??
[01:30] <zz> it installed but it has a bad lag with the paint tools you have to click each time to paint
[01:30] <^vir^> o :(
[01:30] <^vir^> you tried gimpshop?
[01:30] <jaggi> if I modify /etc/network/interfaces (trying to get my wireless working), what do I do to re-activate the connection (reload the settings from the file)?
[01:30] <hhurtta> teknomaniac: try reading gnome manual
[01:31] <^vir^> makes gimp look like photoshop
[01:31] <akudewan> Does Ubuntu 5.04 have xorg or XFree86 ?
[01:31] <seth> xorg
[01:31] <eskaypey> what about me ? :)
[01:31] <^vir^> which is better xorg or xfree86?
[01:31] <akudewan> thanks
[01:32] <seth> What video viewer can handle subtitles? I know MPlayer can, but when I try to load the subtitles, it crashes on me.
[01:32] <hhurtta> seth: totem works for me
[01:33] <jaggi> totem locked up on my dvd playing attempt
[01:33] <seth> hhurtta, totem can load subtitles? When I went to load them, it said no subtitles available. The subtitle srt is named the same as the divx file.
[01:33] <zz> yea i tried gimpshop but if i have to use gimp im more comfortable with the regular gimp
[01:33] <seth> And they are obviously in the same directory.
[01:33] <teknomaniac> ok,but maybe someone know where is a file in which i could change associate file with program ??
[01:33] <jaggi> anyone know how to reload the network after editing /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:33] <karim> hi
[01:33] <jaggi> (like activate/deactivate in the network config window)
[01:34] <hhurtta> jaggi: /etc/init.d/network restart
[01:34] <hhurtta> i guess
[01:34] <akudewan> Does ubuntu have alien?
[01:34] <karim> is it possible to export devices ? I mean for exemple if I have a TV video card on the box A, make appear /dev/video0 as if it's on box B.
[01:35] <tarzeau2> karim: no
[01:35] <jaggi> hhurtta, was hoping to avoid a full network restart.. just wanted to try the interface itself...
[01:36] <Schattenkind> IT WORKS!
[01:36] <^vir^> modules-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10.5-1_i386.deb:  error creating directory `./lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386': Permission denied
[01:36] <^vir^>  <-- what would cause an error like this i used synaptic to download the geforce drivers......
[01:36] <tarzeau2> akudewan: yes
[01:36] <hhurtta> jaggi: can't help then :(
[01:36] <Echelon-H> hmmm, how slow is the LiveCD version supposed to be? cos mine aint moving :(
[01:36] <Schattenkind> Maybe not the mplayer and xmms, cause I didn't test them, but xine works! Cool!
[01:36] <akudewan> tarzeau2: thanks
[01:36] <tarzeau2> Echelon-H: it's very damn slow for me
[01:36] <karim> tarzeau2: ah to bad
[01:36] <tarzeau2> Echelon-H: on a 2+ ghz machine
[01:36] <Echelon-H> yeah, same here.
[01:36] <karim> tarzeau2: it would be nice
[01:36] <tarzeau2> karim: what you can do is stream the input
[01:36] <Echelon-H> When Im trying to run FF it won't work.
[01:36] <tarzeau2> krischan: or even broadcast it
[01:37] <Echelon-H> I hope the HDD version is working better..?
[01:37] <karim> tarzeau2: yes
[01:37] <IIIEars> Echelon -Are you sure you burned an iso disk image and not an image file to a cd?
[01:38] <jaggi> karim, video has a lot of requirements for efficiency.  In fact, many computers don't actually display the tv video themselves... that is, on cards which are the tuner and computer's video display the computer might just display a single color, and the video card handles the display of the video in this location
[01:38] <jaggi> I'm speaking primarily from my experience with various ATI cards...
[01:38] <Schattenkind> So, let's try mplayer...
[01:39] <omV0> i am having a problem.. for some reason when i do RewriteRule ^$ supersiteengine/index.php i get an error saying "The requested URL /home/omer/public_html/lastbase/supersiteengine/index.php was not found on this server." but the file is clearly there...
[01:39] <omV0> in fact, when i copy+paste the folder from the error into the browser address it finds the file..
[01:39] <Echelon-H> IIIEars I am not that dumb
[01:39] <Echelon-H> it works, but it's hell slow.
[01:40] <Schattenkind> Fuck!
[01:40] <IIIEars> What did you mean that you machine had stoped?
[01:40] <Echelon-H> Schattenkind..?
[01:40] <Schattenkind> No, this piece of shit doesn't work!
[01:40] <Echelon-H> Well, in some point yes.
[01:40] <Schattenkind> >:o
[01:40] <Echelon-H> But it worked VERY slow.
[01:40] <jaggi> okay, well, I might have to restart my network, so I'll leave irc now :)
[01:40] <Schattenkind> And now I can't close this programm
[01:40] <Schattenkind> -m
[01:41] <Schattenkind> argh..
[01:41] <Schattenkind> Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp!!!!!!!!!
[01:41] <hhurtta> Schattenkind: relax a bit, i can almost see a ven pulsing on your forehead :)
[01:41] <jelkner> there seems to be no one (except me, since i just joined ;-) on ubuntu-dev
[01:42] <Schattenkind> Okay... no panic...
[01:42] <IIIEars> your machine will run a lot faster than mine. - this one IRC + muted DVD + streamtuner/xmms + bittorrent - all thaT ON AN OLD CELERON.
[01:42] <jelkner> where should i go for breezy questions?
[01:42] <Schattenkind> How can I close a program?
[01:42] <hhurtta> Schattenkind: try killall mplayer on commandline
[01:42] <seth> How the hell do I add plugins for Totem?
[01:42] <eater773> kastas ... thanks....
[01:42] <hhurtta> mplayer seems to have some issues
[01:42] <Schattenkind> Thank you, it worked
[01:42] <Schattenkind> Puh
[01:42] <akudewan> Can anyone tell me if this hardware configuration has known issues in ubuntu: Pentium 4 1.6GHz. Intel i845 chipset. TNT2 Riva M64 graphics card. Onboard sound(AC97)
[01:43] <jelkner> anyone know where to go to ask about breezy?
[01:43] <Schattenkind> What is wrong with my mplayer and xmms...? :(
[01:43] <Schattenkind> Oh god, what have I done to the world...
[01:43] <Echelon-H> IIIears I bet you dont use the LiveCD ver :)
[01:43] <Schattenkind> ... how do I deserve such punishment???
[01:43] <seth> How the hell do I add plugins for Totem?
[01:43] <herpes> Schattenkind, they suck thats whats wrong with them. That and you have to tell them to use esd
[01:44] <Schattenkind> esd?
[01:44] <ubuntu> seth, that's exactly what I was going to ask.
[01:44] <hhurtta> sound server
[01:44] <hhurtta> esd
[01:44] <hhurtta> there are instruction in wiki
[01:44] <Schattenkind> I don't understand, now I tried to play a music video on mplayer, which worked on xine and totem
[01:45] <Schattenkind> But on mplayer it doesn't work... :-(
[01:45] <ubuntu> I just booted from the live CD, and was surprised how much it figured out for itself.  but when I try to play a .avi movie it tells me 'you might need to install the corresponding plugins', but doesn't give any suggestions as to how I might do that.
[01:45] <ubuntu> I see 'add/remove programs', but nothing about plugins
[01:45] <IIIEars> akudawan - your intel integrated vidoe is only supported in vga 640x480 - though your add on video is well supported. - can't answer about the rest
[01:46] <Schattenkind> Is there no equalizer-plugin for totem or xine?
[01:46] <akudewan> IIIEars: ok, thanks for the info.
[01:47] <IIIEars> ubuntu - the live CD is really just a demo - browse the net etc - not too sure you can ad apps to the live cd install easily.
[01:47] <IIIEars> er *can't
[01:47] <robertj> III you can install apps while its running
[01:47] <robertj> and with a lot of work you can remaster the CD, but i've got a shell script I use at work I run that installs everything I need
[01:48] <robertj> and i just run it off a usb keychain drive
[01:48] <robertj> it configures the network interface, downloads some packages, clones the machine, and reboots the machine
[01:48] <IIIEars> linux power :) - mkisof
[01:48] <Schattenkind> Is there nobody who can tell me something about plugins for totem or xine ?
[01:49] <robertj> sure, I could spend a whole lot of time making a custom livecd and remaster it any time I want to make a change, but I'd rather just edit my shell script to apt-get install anything thats needed
[01:49] <ubuntu> robertj, where does it install them to?  A RAMdisk or something?
[01:49] <herpes> this is a test
[01:49] <IIIEars> robertj - clones the install to disk? - how is that done?
[01:49] <robertj> ubunut: yeah, it takes care of all the mounting behind your back, you don't have to worry about it
[01:49] <robertj> III: no, it doesn't clone the installer ot the disk
[01:49] <IIIEars> ah - okay
[01:49] <robertj> it downloads an image from the LAN and clones it onto the hard drive
[01:49] <robertj> That's how i've been imaging my windows boxen
[01:49] <robertj> although I need to find a better way because its slooow
[01:50] <ubuntu> so what package do I need to install to play .avi movies?
[01:50] <IIIEars> I was hooked when it found all hardware. - installed it in less than 3o mins
[01:50] <Schattenkind> sh
[01:50] <jaggi> I found the config area takes from the edited interface file... I said, "I'll leave irc now" though, so should I stick with that?
[01:52] <crimsun_> ubuntu: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:52] <seth> Hello again eyequeue.
[01:52] <eyequeue> hi seth
[01:52] <IIIEars> robertj - how do you pull the image to the machine you want to install on?
[01:53] <eyequeue> i wish i understood why sometimes the alsamixer settings reset themselves to things that don't work here
[01:54] <^vir^> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10.5-1_i386.deb:  error creating directory `./lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386': Permission denied <-- what would throw an error like this is anyone aware of such a problem?
[01:54] <crimsun_> eyequeue: under what sort of usage?
[01:54] <IIIEars> robertj - How do you pull the image from your server?
[01:54] <crimsun_> ^vir^: make sure you have enough room in /var
[01:54] <crimsun_> ^vir^: and that you're using sudo
[01:54] <eyequeue> crimsun_:  nothing that i can think of, though i did reboot
[01:54] <Schattenkind> How can I start xmms from the console?
[01:54] <seth> xmms
[01:54] <IIIEars> Good Morning crimsun
[01:54] <crimsun_> IIIEars: 'morning
[01:55] <eyequeue> Schattenkind:  "xmms"<enter>
[01:55] <Schattenkind> Okay, and what now?
[01:55] <^vir^> crimsome doesn't synaptic run as root?
[01:55] <KongenBX> Howto make my ubuntu not run X automatic when startup?
[01:55] <^vir^> Schattenkind, run beep-media player :D
[01:55] <eyequeue> crimsun_:  i do have gkrellmms installed and was playing with it, but that doesn't appear to be it, since it survived a reboot earlier without incident
[01:56] <eyequeue> KongenBX:  permanently?  sudo dpkg --purge gdm
[01:56] <KongenBX> forever, not just 1 time.
[01:57] <mynullvoid> how do I run passive server
[01:57] <urb85> guys how do I change port 80 to be externally accessible
[01:58] <Schattenkind> and how start playing in console?
[01:58] <count0nz> urb85, edit /etc/default/apache2
[01:58] <KongenBX> How do i apt-get install xvid driver?
[01:58] <crimsun_> ^vir^: if you access Synaptic "normally," yes
[01:58] <eyequeue> crimsun_:  it's only a minor annoyance at my end, though the unpredictable nature is what's annoying.  i can appreciate your interst in it though; if i determine more i'll try to pass it on
[01:59] <crimsun_> KongenBX: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:59] <urb85> count0nz, I have got that far but I am having trouble with no-ip
[01:59] <Schattenkind> Fuck, it doesn't work
[01:59] <count0nz> urb85, oh lol somewhere else
[01:59] <eyequeue> urb85:  install a listener on it (sudo apt-get install apache2)
[01:59] <crimsun_> eyequeue: great, thanks
[01:59] <Schattenkind> xmms hangs up
[01:59] <crimsun_> Schattenkind: where is it appearing to hang?
[01:59] <IIIEars> urb85 - firestarter and bastille are graphical interfaces for net filter
[02:00] <^vir^> crimsun_,  would selinux be affecting it?
[02:00] <Schattenkind> When I start playing something, xmms hangs up
[02:00] <urb85> IIIEars, the prob is when I try to access my website via browser, it shows me my router settings instead of my localhost
[02:00] <Schattenkind> And then nothing happens
[02:01] <urb85> IIIEars, I am usin no-ip utility prog
[02:01] <othernoob> hi, how does ubuntu compare to fedora core 3 in ease of use and noob-friendliness ?
[02:01] <crimsun_> ^vir^: quite possibly. Try disabling it.
[02:01] <urb85> othernoob, its easier then fedora in some way
[02:01] <eyequeue> urb85:  one, it sounds like your router is configured to listen to the outside, which is a security risk.  two, you may need to tell your router to pass inbound port 80 to the ip of your ubuntu box
[02:02] <^vir^> crimsum_ how would i go about doing that please
[02:02] <hhurtta> Schattenkind: have you already changed output plugin to esd?
[02:02] <Schattenkind> output plugin? How do I do this?
[02:02] <eyequeue> urb85:  if you're remote presently, be sure to change item two before item one, heh
[02:02] <hhurtta> in xmms right click -> proferences
[02:02] <crimsun_> ^vir^: I'm not terribly familiar with SELinux; how did you enable it?
[02:02] <othernoob> urb85: thanks
[02:02] <Schattenkind> Okay
[02:02] <urb85> eyeque, that port 80 is a prob, I cannot find it on my router settings
[02:03] <MeHere> hi guys can anybody help me with isntalling yahoo messenger?
[02:03] <eyequeue> urb85:  just on the off chance that i know your router, what kind is it?
[02:03] <Schattenkind> Uh, it works
[02:03] <hhurtta> Schattenkind: duh
[02:03] <^vir^> don't know lol crimsum_
[02:03] <urb85> othernoob, its easier to get Synaptic on ubuntu
[02:03] <crimsun_> MeHere: are you positive you want Yahoo's official one? Gaim works well.
[02:03] <Schattenkind> Goddam' it works!!!!!!!!!!
[02:03] <Schattenkind> :)
[02:04] <IIIEars> urb85 - some routers have a cat5 plug dedicated to pass through - is yours like that?
[02:04] <eyequeue> MeHere:  sudo apt-get install gaim, if you just want a client that will work
[02:04] <Schattenkind> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YOU ARE GREAT!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:04] <^vir^> MeHere, yahoo is crap to be honest
[02:04] <urb85> eyeque, its a TRENDnet
[02:04] <MeHere> will i be able to send files over gaim to windows?
[02:04] <^vir^> you'd be better off with gaim-vv
[02:04] <count0nz> MeHere, i use gaim can sent to windows np
[02:04] <MeHere> i want to send files to my windows pc through a chat program
[02:04] <^vir^> MeHere,  i send files to msn users
[02:05] <crimsun_> MeHere: yes
[02:05] <mfabbri> hi there, anybody had bluez stack working with a SE p800?
[02:05] <MeHere> really?
[02:05] <kent> MeHere, It depends on which protocol you are using. I cant send files over icq with gaim, but I can do it with msn.
[02:05] <MeHere> cool
[02:05] <eyequeue> urb85:  sorry, i don't know that one.  poke through every option you can find in every submenu in the admin interface.  you're looking for port forwarding or something similarly named
[02:05] <MeHere> well if it works on msn it'll be efficient enough for me
[02:05] <Schattenkind> IT WORKS!!! IT WORKS!!!!! God, I am soooooooooo happy.... :-D
[02:05] <^vir^> aim i personaly always have problems with when sending files
[02:05] <MeHere> thanks a bunch guys
[02:05] <kent> Schattenkind, its enough to say it once ;)
[02:05] <Schattenkind> Okay, okay
[02:05] <urb85> eyeque, thanks a lot, I have got something like Virtual Server, could be that?
[02:05] <Schattenkind> Sorry
[02:06] <kent> Schattenkind, its ok. :)  If every one told how happy they are, then it would become hard to read this channel ;)
[02:06] <Schattenkind> :-D
[02:06] <Schattenkind> That's crazy
[02:06] <eyequeue> urb85:  i'm not familiar with that term, but it's worth a try, right? :)  as long as you can under it later
[02:06] <Schattenkind> Ubuntu is great, I love it!!
[02:07] <urb85> eyequeue, eheh yes, you're right, but still the same prob :(
[02:07] <IIIEars> "" Ubuntu love - i hope that isn't illegal in california.
[02:07] <^vir^> MeHere, if you need webcam access use gaim-vv & also install gaim-guifications for msn like pop ups
[02:07] <hybrid_school> lol
[02:08] <eyequeue> IIIEars:   #ubuntu-love     13      Ubuntu Love! | http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/UbuntuLove | http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dazjw/img_0121.jpg | http://yet.another.linux-nerd.com/wp-content/images/ubuntu-love.png
[02:10] <eyequeue> MeHere:  gaim-encryption package is handy for end-to-end encryption with other gaim users
[02:10] <jpfarias> where can I find a tutorial on building an ubuntu package for some software?
[02:10] <thenuke> what can be used to decompress ace-archives?
[02:12] <Seveas> jpfarias, read the new maintainers guide on debian.org/doc/
[02:12] <eyequeue> jpfarias:  or sudo apt-get install maint-guide
[02:14] <Schattenkind> Wow, mplayer works now too
[02:14] <Schattenkind> But not as well as the other players.
[02:14] <Schattenkind> :-(
[02:15] <eyequeue> Schattenkind:  sound quality?  or are you looking for something like gmplayer?
[02:15] <Schattenkind> gmplayer?
[02:15] <eyequeue> Schattenkind:  the gui for it
[02:15] <Schattenkind> No, the video is not working correctly
[02:16] <Schattenkind> Sound is okay
[02:16] <kestas> wow they actually ship cds for free
[02:16] <kestas> who pays?
[02:16] <kestas> the shipping must be pretty expensive for 10 cdsa
[02:16] <Riddell> kestas: canonical
[02:16] <eyequeue> Schattenkind:  system > preferences > multimedia > video  of any use to you?
[02:17] <eyequeue> kestas:  mark shuttleworth, i think
[02:17] <TJORVEN> how do i install .gz packages??
[02:17] <T5> ine security updates fr firefox?
[02:17] <T5> sry
[02:17] <kestas> TJORVEN: depends whats in the package
[02:18] <crimsun_> kestas: Canonical pays
[02:18] <TJORVEN> kestas, cant see
[02:18] <kestas> why?
[02:18] <eyequeue> TJORVEN:  that is a gzipped file, gunzip foo.gz will uncompress it
[02:18] <kestas> no ads
[02:18] <kestas> free support
[02:18] <kestas> ?
[02:18] <TJORVEN> eyequeue, thanks
[02:18] <Riddell> kestas: to increate mindshare of ubuntu
[02:18] <kestas> suspicious
[02:18] <crimsun_> kestas: it has considerable financial backing. You might want to read Mark Shuttleworth's interview on /.
[02:18] <mfabbri> anybody had success getting ericsson p800 in sync with evolution?
[02:18] <eyequeue> kestas:  an impressive example of philanthopy in a world increasingly devoid of it, eh?
[02:19] <kestas> eyequeue: indeed
[02:19] <topyli> kestas: you can give money to canonical if you wish :)
[02:19] <Schattenkind> Well, let's try...
[02:19] <kestas> thats good to know :)
[02:19] <Schattenkind> still too slow
[02:20] <Echelon-H> What takes less resources than gnome?
[02:20] <Schattenkind> Better
[02:20] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  xfce4
[02:20] <Schattenkind> Yes, now it works
[02:20] <topyli> kestas: you can pay for support too. that would be like a business deal :)
[02:20] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  enable the universe repository if you want that
[02:20] <Schattenkind> ... Dream Theater - Another Day ... beautiful video...
[02:21] <kestas> I prefer giving support :)
[02:21] <kestas> ah Dream Theater
[02:21] <kestas> they have some good stuff
[02:21] <Schattenkind> and it works! How cool! God, I love it
[02:21] <Echelon-H> lol
[02:21] <kestas> when theyre not scream like a 14 year old girl in the shower
[02:21] <Schattenkind> Damn, it works :-)
[02:21] <kestas> whos singing
[02:22] <Schattenkind> How crazy...
[02:22] <crimsun_> (Kevin James LaBrie)
[02:22] <kestas> is that the singer?
[02:22] <kestas> damn he suchs
[02:22] <Schattenkind> Yes
[02:22] <_simple> i'm not so sure which kernel headers to install, whats a way to know
[02:22] <n3C> what is the last, official ubuntu version?
[02:22] <crimsun_> _simple: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:22] <Schattenkind> I like his voice on Images & Words
[02:22] <crimsun_> n3C: 5.04, Hoary
[02:22] <n3C> thx
[02:22] <_simple> should that say command mot found?
[02:23] <Schattenkind> Hm, I think I don't need KDE anymore
[02:23] <crimsun_> _simple: it's not a command, rather a package name
[02:23] <Echelon-H> can I install xfce4 on ubuntu?
[02:23] <crimsun_> Echelon-H: sure, enable universe and install the xfce4 package
[02:23] <_simple> so i like, look for the package?
[02:23] <Echelon-H> not funny.
[02:23] <Echelon-H> Is there a guide / faq / something/
[02:23] <kestas> simple: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[02:23] <Echelon-H> ?
[02:23] <crimsun_> Echelon-H: eh?
[02:23] <kestas> thats a command
[02:23] <Echelon-H> k
[02:23] <crimsun_> Echelon-H: wiki/UniversePackages
[02:23] <crimsun_> Echelon-H: then install xfce4
[02:24] <_simple> last time i nstalled all headers
[02:24] <_simple> for each kernel
[02:24] <egg> how?
[02:24] <_simple> and like when i'd boot, it would only allow me from a command based one
[02:24] <_simple> command based login*
[02:24] <crimsun_> _simple: well, you could execute this in a terminal: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:24] <kestas> headers shouldnt do that
[02:24] <_simple> idk what did it
[02:24] <_simple> i installed everything, like image
[02:24] <Echelon-H> anyone knows if xfce supports hebrew?
[02:24] <_simple> uh headers
[02:25] <crimsun_> _simple: for what do you need headers?
[02:25] <_simple> idk what it was, i hade like three different login types before
[02:25] <_simple> alsa
[02:25] <kestas> crimsun_:  simple: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[02:25] <egg> how to do it in LFS?
[02:25] <_simple> yeah i did that thank you kestas
[02:25] <_simple> to install alsa to get my intel 915gv audio working
[02:25] <egg> *sign*
[02:25] <kestas> do what egg?
[02:25] <egg> headers
[02:25] <kestas> apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[02:25] <seby> does anyone use a kyro 2 graphic card here? i am searching for xorg configuration
[02:25] <kestas> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[02:26] <kestas> seby who makes it?
[02:26] <crimsun_> _simple: then you also need the alsa-source and build-essential packages installed
[02:26] <seby> i am using the vesa driver now
[02:26] <kestas> anyone know if s-vidio to av cable adapters exist?
[02:26] <_simple> i think i'm diong it now
[02:26] <seby> i don't know if is the best solution
[02:26] <_simple> not so sure
[02:27] <crimsun_> Echelon-H: please check the xfce web page
[02:27] <_simple> ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel to start right?
[02:27] <crimsun_> _simple: only if you're using a 1.0.9rc
[02:27] <_simple> yeah 1.0.9rc3
[02:27] <crimsun_> use rc4
[02:28] <_simple> i didn't see it on alsa's page
[02:28] <_simple> for download
[02:28] <crimsun_> ah, it hasn't been tagged yet
[02:28] <crimsun_> n/m
[02:28] <_simple> rc3 should be fine?
[02:28] <crimsun_> yep
[02:28] <_simple> good deal
[02:28] <crimsun_> but you'll want to append --with-oss=yes
[02:29] <crimsun_> probably --with-sequencer=yes as well
[02:29] <_simple> lol, okay
[02:29] <_simple> will it ask?
[02:29] <crimsun_> and make sure you pass --with-kernel=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:29] <crimsun_> no, which is why I'm telling you all this :)
[02:30] <thenuke> what do I need to play .MPC -audiofiles?
[02:30] <Dave9191> I have a process that just wont die :( I tried killing it as root and nothing, just sits there in the ps list. i cant start kontact cause it wont die
[02:30] <_simple> ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel --with-kernel=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) --with-sequencer=yes?
[02:30] <_simple> x:
[02:30] <_simple> nah
[02:30] <_simple> i dont' think so atleast
[02:30] <HcE> Dave9191: kill -9 <pid> ?
[02:30] <npiv> I dotn need postfix, Its safe to delete it right
[02:31] <Dave9191> HcE - thx :)
[02:31] <Dave9191> HcE: whats the -9 do ?
[02:31] <npiv> its like saying "die bitch"
[02:31] <snader> thenuke: http://www.musepack.net/index.php?pg=lin
[02:31] <Gog> heh
[02:31] <choco1ate> what is the difference btw -->> linux-image-2.6.10-5-686_2.6.10-34_i386.deb  and this -->> linux-image-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10-34_i386.deb
[02:31] <HcE> Dave9191: it's what type of signal you're sending to the process
[02:32] <Dave9191> so kill pid just isnt enough sometimes
[02:32] <npiv> Postfix is a mail server, Is it safe to delete it, cuz I dont need it ?
[02:32] <choco1ate> maybe i should ask what is the difference btw 386 and 686
[02:32] <choco1ate> anybody :o
[02:32] <npiv> standard 386 architecture vs modern pentium
[02:32] <Gog> 386 == any x86 architecture since 386, 686 is pentium specific
[02:32] <Gog> what he said :)
[02:33] <choco1ate> so where does AMD fall in :o
[02:33] <npiv> K9
[02:33] <crimsun_> _simple: yes, that's good, save you need to add --with-oss=yes
[02:33] <npiv> I think its called
[02:33] <choco1ate> AMD is k9 ;-?
[02:33] <npiv> I think so, let someone confirm
[02:33] <crimsun_> thenuke: www.musepack.net
[02:33] <choco1ate> can someone confirm that AMD is k9 :o
[02:33] <urb85> chocolate, Amd I am using with 386 packages
[02:33] <crimsun_> choco1ate: amd64 -> k8
[02:33] <Schattenkind> musepack is cool
[02:34] <egg> amd128=k9
[02:34] <egg> ?
[02:34] <npiv> amd128 ?
[02:34] <egg> 128bit
[02:34] <npiv> wow is that out yet
[02:34] <choco1ate> i'm using 386 on my AMD but i got modem detection problems
[02:34] <npiv> :)
[02:34] <npiv> choco1ate, probly not related
[02:34] <npiv> to your kernel
[02:34] <teknoprep> 128bit what
[02:34] <choco1ate> oh :o
[02:34] <npiv> could be a wonmodem
[02:34] <npiv> or winmodem
[02:35] <egg> data bus
[02:35] <choco1ate> well, i cant seem to find any linmodems
[02:35] <choco1ate> i checked all over ebay
[02:35] <npiv> Can someone verify that I can throw postfix out ?
[02:35] <choco1ate> google
[02:35] <choco1ate> no such modems exist :S
[02:35] <choco1ate> and yet here you all are online
[02:35] <rootb0x> hi peoples i have a question 4 the orinoco classic gold card runnung monitor mode i know need patched drivers where do i get them and how do i install it then?
[02:35] <Encrypted> best modems are external
[02:36] <Encrypted> or  the expensive internal one without the conextant logo
[02:36] <KongenBX> it it windowmaker for unbutu?
[02:36] <crimsun_> npiv: you need a MTA for Warty or Hoary
[02:36] <thenuke> crimsun_: static linked, dynamically linked.. huh?
[02:36] <npiv> crimsun_, why
[02:36] <rootb0x> can someone help me?
[02:36] <thenuke> snader: : static linked, dynamically linked.. huh?
[02:37] <crimsun_> npiv: because the infrastructure to remove the dependency is only (going to be) in Breezy
[02:37] <choco1ate> would an external modem on serial port do :o
[02:37] <choco1ate> coz i have an external ISDN modem on USB and its not working
[02:37] <choco1ate> in device manager i see the modem listed but its listed as a totally different brand lol
[02:37] <choco1ate> and does not work
[02:38] <npiv> crimsun_, allright, on that note I know breezy is still off limits (for me) but will you need to reinstall or will it be possible to upgrade?
[02:38] <Encrypted> external serial port modem = best you get imho
[02:38] <crimsun_> npiv: you will be able to dist-upgrade per usual
[02:38] <choco1ate> is this a ubuntu problem, you guys think if i checked out the other distros i might not be having any of these hardware problems ;-?
[02:38] <snader> thenuke: try the first one first ;-)
[02:38] <urb85> agree with Encrypted
[02:39] <rootb0x> is there maybe anybody ... i need some help with the orinoco gold classic card and monitor mode
[02:39] <npiv> choco1ate - other distros might have hardware scanners and set up scripts that configure your problem correctly but at the end of the day if its possible to get it to work on another linux distro it should work here
[02:39] <npiv> your sure its not a winmodem ?
[02:39] <Encrypted> rootb0x, not sure if monitor mode is part of the official drivers
[02:39] <Encrypted> rootb0x, been a while since i bothered with orinoco
[02:40] <rootb0x> hm this is the biggest problem i have here wuth my ubuntu
[02:40] <choco1ate> how do i differentiate btw win and lin modems, all i know is this modem is an external USB modem that is  listed wrongly by ubuntu in device manager and thus does not work at all
[02:40] <Encrypted> rootb0x, i used to get a patch for it.. off the airsnort site
[02:40] <rootb0x> no not with ubuntu with drivers
[02:40] <seth> I'm still trying to setup my laptop for wireless.
[02:40] <rootb0x> does it work?
[02:40] <rootb0x> Encrypted?
[02:40] <trygvebw> Hi, is there a precompiled kernel with this fix? http://www.nakack.net/?p=19
[02:40] <trygvebw> (Shuttle SN25P Sound)
[02:40] <seth> My card works, and I can access a few APs in my area.
[02:40] <Encrypted> rootb0x, yeh.... worked well
[02:41] <othernoob> anyone here from germany ?
[02:41] <rootb0x> ok thank you
[02:41] <Seveas> othernoob, #ubuntu-de maybe :)
[02:41] <_simple> configure: error: this packages requires a curses library
[02:41] <rootb0x> seth mine to but
[02:41] <Encrypted> rootb0x, a prism chipset is still the best you get tho
[02:41] <_simple> what should i do for that crimsun_
[02:41] <rootb0x> but the monitor mode ....
[02:41] <rootb0x> prism never ever
[02:41] <rootb0x> hehehehe
[02:41] <othernoob> Seveas: :) thanks
[02:41] <rootb0x> no thank you i have my hermes I
[02:42] <seth> I'm using a NetgearMA401 on the Realtek 8180 chipset.
[02:42] <rootb0x> :)
[02:42] <dcraven> _simple: install libncurses5 and libncurses5-dev
[02:42] <seth> I just plugged it in and it works for connecting and stuff. As for detecting APs and wardriving type things, I haven't messed with it yet.
[02:42] <Encrypted> rootb0x, we used to create 4 card AP's out of linux machines using prism2 chipsets and hostapd
[02:42] <Encrypted> rootb0x, to replace proper orinoco AP's.. since orinoco had terrible power output
[02:43] <rootb0x> hm...
[02:43] <rootb0x> no im oldskool 2 thatg
[02:43] <rootb0x> :)
[02:43] <_simple> thanks dcraven
[02:43] <rootb0x> i love my card its just new
[02:43] <Encrypted> rootb0x, http://airsnort.shmoo.com/orinocoinfo.html
[02:43] <Encrypted> rootb0x, thats what you need
[02:43] <rootb0x> Encrypted ty
[02:43] <_simple> score
[02:43] <Encrypted> rootb0x, np
[02:44] <rootb0x> :)
[02:44] <trygvebw> ?
[02:46] <rootb0x> Encrypted i got the ubuntu hoary release can u help me installing the file?
[02:46] <rootb0x> i know this is terrible and its getting on ur nerves
[02:46] <occy> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]  (rev a3)   Anyone have this nvidia card under Hoary?
[02:47] <Encrypted> rootb0x, actually only decided to try ubuntu recently.. but if i can remember from debian days your gonna need to install pcmcia-cs source
[02:47] <rootb0x> ok where do i get it?
[02:47] <rootb0x> on the site?
[02:48] <Encrypted> rootb0x, should be in synaptics.. unless theyve gone for pure kernel pcmcia
[02:48] <trygvebw> sudo apt-get install pcmcia-cs
[02:48] <capi> what exactly is `umask'?
[02:48] <Seveas> something that determines the permissions of newly created files capi
[02:49] <Encrypted> rootb0x, which orinoco driver are you using atm ? if not pcmcia-cs.. the kernel ones ?
[02:49] <rootb0x> im using the kenrel ones
[02:49] <rootb0x> and with the apt-get command it wountdownload
[02:50] <kestas> Shuttleworth seems to sidestep the commercial questions in his interview
[02:50] <kestas> he says he hopes it will make money, but if not it will have been charity, and doesnt elaborate
[02:50] <Encrypted> rootb0x, monitor mode hasnt needed a patch in the kernel drivers for quite a while
[02:50] <kestas> how would it make money?
[02:50] <trygvebw> kestas: support
[02:50] <kestas> isnt support free?
[02:51] <Encrypted> rootb0x, using wvlan_cs, wavelan_cs or orinoco_cs ?
[02:51] <Seveas> canonical provides commercial support too
[02:51] <trygvebw> yeah
[02:51] <rootb0x> yes
[02:51] <Seveas> that's really nice for companies
[02:51] <trygvebw> yup
[02:51] <kestas> why cant commercial enterprise come here? ;)
[02:51] <rootb0x> im usinf wavelancs
[02:51] <Aemaeth> whats that screen config util? fglrxconfig ro something?
[02:51] <Encrypted> rootb0x, switch to orinoco_cs
[02:51] <LarstiQ> kestas: that's not how the commercial mindset works
[02:51] <Seveas> kestas, because that costs more and we do not guarantee things
[02:51] <rootb0x> i also got this oe
[02:51] <rootb0x> one
[02:52] <LarstiQ> kestas: that wants certificates, a contract, hotline, etc
[02:52] <_simple> er, can't boot into gnome or something, only to a command prompt
[02:52] <_simple> now*
[02:53] <athlon> Hi guys, ive just installed hoary. So far so good, except that the screen in X is titlted to the right. How do I correct this ?
[02:53] <Seveas> athlon, that's a hardware issue
[02:53] <Seveas> use the buttons on your monitor
[02:53] <thenuke> athlon: sounds like you need to tweak your monitors settings
[02:54] <rootb0x> where to switch?
[02:54] <_simple> one that "auto adjusts"
[02:54] <_simple> if you have it
[02:54] <_simple> gotta love the f/ps
[02:54] <_simple> any idea crimsun_?
[02:54] <_simple> sure it isn't the header
[02:54] <athlon> well, if I change it, then the screen in windows, slackware and gentoo would get screwed :-)
[02:54] <_simple> because that happened three times now
[02:54] <_simple> yeah
[02:54] <_simple> same here...
[02:54] <_simple> just have to adjust each time
[02:54] <rootb0x> ok i understood
[02:55] <Seveas> seth, please switch that off
[02:55] <rootb0x> need the newest ocmcia-cs
[02:55] <rootb0x> p
[02:55] <rootb0x> lol
[02:55] <rootb0x> im newbie sorry
[02:56] <rootb0x> in which folder i sudo copy the pcmcia-cs? for the new ones
[02:56] <_simple> yeah, same problem
[02:56] <seth> I just typed it in.
[02:56] <seth> It's not a script.
[02:56] <Seveas> seth, ok :)
[02:56] <Seveas> sorry then
[02:56] <seth> It's alright.
[02:56] <Gog> maybe he's a bot
[02:56] <Seveas> :)
[02:56] <seth> I knew I shouldn't have typed it, but I did anyway.
[02:56] <seth> Was hoping it would spark a conversation on music interest.
[02:57] <Encrypted> rootb0x, to compile pcmcia-cs manually its make config; make all; make install
[02:57] <_simple> booting into command prompt, asking for login..any idea how to get back into gnome, or what i could've possibly done installing kernel headers and alsa?
[02:57] <Encrypted> rootb0x, u'll need the kernel sources tho
[02:58] <Seveas> Encrypted, kernel headers are enough to build kernel modules...
[02:59] <Encrypted> Seveas, i cant remember if pcmcia-cs needed the whole tree, but just headers is worth a try
[03:00] <thenuke> "configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables"
[03:00] <hans_> how is the new catalyst 5.5?
[03:00] <thenuke> I wonder how this was fixed
[03:00] <_simple> so
[03:00] <hans_> is it faster than the old one?
[03:00] <Seveas> thenuke, do you have g++ installed?
[03:01] <thenuke> Seveas: I guess I have everything I need because my friend has that error but it works ok for me :)
[03:01] <thenuke> thanks for the tip, I ask him now.
[03:01] <Seveas> thenuke, let him install buil-essential
[03:01] <ik-sparc> hi
[03:01] <Seveas> build-essential that is
[03:01] <choco1ate> Encrypted : this is a driver for my internal modem for linux -->> http://www.sm56.tk/ however it seems that there are some compilation steps involved which i cannot do as a noob, can you or anybody with more experience compile it for me and send me the package :o
[03:01] <ik-sparc> what is the program to install progras?
[03:01] <thenuke> Seveas: ok, thank you.
[03:01] <_hp_> what do y'all use to burn cds?
[03:01] <ik-sparc> symnaptic?
[03:02] <Seveas> _hp_, gnomebaker / graveman / nautilus
[03:02] <hans_> _hp_: k3b
[03:02] <Seveas> k3b for kde
[03:02] <rootb0x> Encrypted this is the problem i dont know which files i need on the site
[03:02] <urb85> ik-spark, Synaptic
[03:02] <ik-sparc> thanks :)
[03:02] <urb85> np
[03:02] <rootb0x> Encrypted and the other thing is when i got the sources i dont know how to compile them in the console i need the exact commands 4 that im such a newbie i hate to be one
[03:03] <Encrypted> choco1ate, only have ubuntu64 and its on a machine at home
[03:03] <Encrypted> rootb0x, do a quick 'iwpriv ethX'
[03:03] <choco1ate> oh :(
[03:03] <Encrypted> rootb0x, whichever is your orinoco card
[03:03] <hans_> does any1 know how to install a lexmark allinone x72 printer?
[03:03] <hans_> x74
[03:03] <hans_> i mean
[03:03] <trygvebw> google+
[03:03] <Encrypted> rootb0x, does it have monitor listed anywhere under private ioctls
[03:03] <trygvebw> *?
[03:03] <choco1ate> well, can anybody compile/build and send me this package for i386 ubuntu -->> http://www.sm56.tk/
[03:03] <_hp_> hans_: did you go to the add printer wizard?
[03:04] <hans_> _hp_: yes doesnt recognize it
[03:04] <ik-sparc> anyone knows a nice program to whach mpg?
[03:04] <rootb0x> enycrpyted eth2      Available private ioctl :
[03:04] <rootb0x>           force_reset      (8BE0) : set   0       & get   0
[03:04] <rootb0x>           card_reset       (8BE1) : set   0       & get   0
[03:04] <rootb0x>           set_port3        (8BE2) : set   1 int   & get   0
[03:04] <rootb0x>           get_port3        (8BE3) : set   0       & get   1 int
[03:04] <rootb0x>           set_preamble     (8BE4) : set   1 int   & get   0
[03:04] <rootb0x>           get_preamble     (8BE5) : set   0       & get   1 int
[03:04] <rootb0x>           set_ibssport     (8BE6) : set   1 int   & get   0
[03:04] <Seveas> rootb0x, fool!
[03:04] <_hp_> rootb0x: don't flood
[03:04] <rootb0x>           get_ibssport     (8BE7) : set   0       & get   1 int
[03:04] <rootb0x>           dump_recs        (8BFF) : set   0
[03:04] <Seveas> do not paste here
[03:04] <rootb0x> sorry
[03:04] <k31th> jesus
[03:04] <rootb0x> sorry 4 that
[03:04] <k31th> lol
[03:04] <urb85> ik-sparc, Mplayer or totem media video
[03:04] <sysLink> :o
[03:04] <Seveas> rootb0x, next time, please use ubuntu.pastebin.com
[03:04] <ik-sparc> oh ok
[03:05] <k31th> your lucky there arnt elitests in here :p
[03:05] <k31th> you'd of got kicked for that in debian
[03:05] <k31th> lol
[03:05] <morris> ubuntu is growing on me like a fungus
[03:05] <Encrypted> and murdered in some places
[03:05] <Seveas> k31th, we don't like to kick people
[03:05] <sysLink> ik-spark, vlc works nice for me to watch mpg but I just started to use this distro so I don't know if its the best.
[03:05] <_hp_> you say it like it's a bad thing
[03:05] <rootb0x> yes i will read it
[03:05] <rootb0x> yes
[03:05] <rootb0x> sorry
[03:05] <k31th> Seveas: good stuff
[03:05] <ik-sparc> ok
[03:05] <choco1ate> _hp_ : can you do that compilation/build and send me the package, you seem to know your stuff :o
[03:05] <choco1ate> i'll be eternally grateful :P
[03:06] <k31th> these kids seem to love kicking people off channels in irc, must of been bullied at school
[03:06] <choco1ate> _hp_ : heres the link : http://www.sm56.tk/
[03:06] <sysLink> ur probably right k31th :-p
[03:06] <k31th> :p
[03:06] <k31th> ubuntu runs mint on this laptop havent been able to fault it yet
[03:06] <ik-sparc> i search mplayer in synaptic and its not there...
[03:06] <k31th> so much easyer to keep upto date than gentoo as well
[03:06] <Encrypted> rootb0x, lsmod | grep '_cs' .. what _cs modules are loaded ?
[03:07] <sysLink> i just insatlled it on my laptop too, first *nix install ever... pretty damn cool :-D
[03:07] <rootb0x> Encrypted its notlisted
[03:07] <rootb0x> let me see
[03:07] <k31th> sysLink: yeah its great that new people can just throw it on as well, easy installer etc glad its txt based tho
[03:07] <k31th> makes it alot quicker
[03:07] <morris> im running ubuntu on a 650 amd k7 boxen.. 196mb ram.. i am so suprised at how nice it is
[03:07] <sysLink> lol I tried Gnetoo first... omg was that a mistake
[03:08] <trygvebw> :P
[03:08] <rootb0x> Encrypted pcmcia_core            53568  3 orinoco_cs,pcmcia,yenta_socket
[03:08] <rootb0x>  these are the results
[03:08] <seth> Caldera was my first Distro. Caldera 2.2. Since then, I've hated KDE.
[03:08] <morris> sysLink, man.. gentoo is sexy
[03:08] <k31th> sysLink: its a good distro, you would learn alot about linux from installing it etc
[03:08] <hans_> is there a good ftp server prog like bulletproof on windows?
[03:08] <trygvebw> KDE is evil :/
[03:08] <trygvebw> hans_: vsftpd?
[03:08] <seth> I agree.
[03:08] <hans_> thx
[03:08] <k31th> i learned alot from gentoo i still have a gentoo box, its my sisters desktop lol
[03:09] <Encrypted> rootb0x, gunzip -c /proc/config.gz | grep 'PCMCIA' and paste to pastebin
[03:09] <morris> k31th, does she ever emerge world ;p
[03:09] <_hp_> what does cdrecord: cannot fixate disk mean?
[03:09] <k31th> im glad people are using real distros like this than nasty rpm things like mandrake or mandriva watever it calls its self these days
[03:09] <johns^> #debian
[03:09] <k31th> morris i do it for her
[03:09] <morris> aw thats nice of ya ;)
[03:09] <k31th> lol
[03:09] <reset> hi
[03:09] <k31th> yag
[03:09] <k31th> well i just ssh in
[03:09] <k31th> and update it
[03:09] <reset> xine someone use it?
[03:09] <reset> xine someone use it?
[03:09] <morris> ah easy
[03:10] <trygvebw> yes
[03:10] <Seveas> reset, lots of people
[03:10] <morris> reset reset SHH
[03:10] <seth> reset, what is the problem?
[03:10] <rootb0x> gunzip: grep.gz: No such file or directory
[03:10] <k31th> morris actually i did it this morning and it errord lol
[03:10] <reset> more luminosity
[03:10] <morris> ah poo ;p
[03:10] <k31th> i got to fix that w i cba
[03:10] <reset> where is shortcut
[03:10] <Seveas> robertj, you forgot the |
[03:10] <reset> for luminosity
[03:10] <k31th> im watching starwars tonight at 12:30 lol
[03:10] <morris> k31th, yea i feel ya.. lazy is me also ;p
[03:10] <k31th> first showing
[03:10] <reset> where is shortcut
[03:10] <reset> for luminosity
[03:10] <reset> in xine???
[03:10] <Seveas> reset, please do not repeat so much
[03:10] <ik-sparc> how can i change resources in synaptic if is posible.?
[03:11] <Encrypted> rootb0x, err.. thats not the desired output
[03:11] <Seveas> if someone knows, he/she will answer
[03:11] <reset> sory
[03:11] <k31th> i best get in, they have every screen showing it at cinema
[03:11] <rootb0x> Encrypted ok
[03:11] <Seveas> ik-sparc, you mean where you download packages from?
[03:11] <Encrypted> rootb0x, did you copy the command correctly ?
[03:11] <topyli> ik-sparc: resources. i guess you mean preferences -> repositories
[03:11] <Seveas> ik-sparc, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list (from a command line) in that case
[03:11] <ik-sparc> yes
[03:11] <choco1ate> so _hp_ : can you do this for me, please -- Encrypted was nice enough but he got a 64bit :P
[03:11] <k31th> Seveas: you will be pleased to know i went to the chip shop today
[03:12] <rootb0x> Encrypted should i put in the command lik,e this ? gunzip -c /proc/config.gz | grep 'PCMCIA'
[03:12] <choco1ate> be a bud :P
[03:12] <ik-sparc> ok
[03:12] <Seveas> k31th, any luck on the gfishnchips yet? ;)
[03:12] <Encrypted> rootb0x, yep
[03:12] <k31th> na not yet
[03:12] <ik-sparc> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:12] <k31th> well i mean if i get a community
[03:12] <rootb0x> Encrypted its not the same result i get then
[03:12] <rootb0x> No such file ...
[03:12] <k31th> everyone can give a chip
[03:13] <Seveas> ik-sparc, you cannot have apt-get, dpkg and.or synaptic open at the same time
[03:13] <egg> chip?
[03:13] <ik-sparc> oh ok
[03:13] <Seveas> egg, chip as in fish'n'chips
[03:13] <egg> ?
[03:13] <Seveas> hmm, an ' to much there
[03:13] <hosein> hey guys do we have any kdevelop users here
[03:13] <Seveas> egg, it's something british :)
[03:13] <mfabbri> did anybody succeed with gnome-bluetooth??
[03:13] <trygvebw> hosein: #kubuntu ;)
[03:13] <egg> @_@
[03:13] <hosein> thanks
[03:14] <urb85> Seveas, what's British?
[03:14] <Encrypted> rootb0x, is there a /proc/config ?
[03:14] <egg> GB
[03:14] <Seveas> urb85, something typically done/used/eaten/... in Great Britain
[03:14] <rootb0x> the proc directoy is there but the config not
[03:15] <ik-sparc> E: Couldn't find package mpayer
[03:15] <Seveas> mpplayer
[03:15] <Seveas> mplayer
[03:15] <topyli> hehe
[03:15] <Seveas> you forgot the l
[03:15] <Seveas> and also: it's mplayer-custom :)
[03:15] <reset> where is shortcut
[03:15] <ik-sparc> xD
[03:15] <Encrypted> rootb0x, using hoary ?
[03:15] <reset> in xine???
[03:15] <ik-sparc> ok
[03:15] <rootb0x> yes
[03:15] <trygvebw> reset: for what?
[03:15] <reset> for fix it
[03:15] <npiv> mplayer
[03:15] <trygvebw> reset: fix it?
[03:16] <reset> more lumminosity here
[03:16] <Encrypted> rootb0x, hmm.. 64bit kernel comes default with /proc/config support
[03:16] <reset> trygvebw you know or not???
[03:16] <rootb0x> Encrypted hm ... im not using a 64bit kernel
[03:16] <da_bon_bon> whoa! breezy colony 1 out already!!!
[03:16] <rootb0x> im on a I386
[03:16] <ik-sparc> E: Couldn't find package mplayer
[03:16] <trygvebw> reset: i don't understand your question!
[03:16] <trygvebw> ik-sparc: have you added universe, multiverse and restricted?
[03:16] <Encrypted> rootb0x, yeh.. but just assuming sicne they were nice enough to do so on 64bit they would do so on the others :P
[03:16] <rootb0x> i should told it bevore huh?
[03:17] <rootb0x> omg
[03:17] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, old news :p
[03:17] <reset> How change luminosity in xine? it's easy no?
[03:17] <rootb0x> :)
[03:17] <ik-sparc> trygvebw how do i do that?
[03:17] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: for me, no
[03:17] <hans_> does vsftpd have a frontend? how do i start it?
[03:17] <egg> http://img269.echo.cx/img269/8228/1240489nd.jpg <--- ^^
[03:17] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, and it's in no way a reflection of what breezy will be
[03:17] <trygvebw> ik-sparc: moment...
[03:17] <ik-sparc> ok
[03:17] <trygvebw> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:17] <Seveas> the big transitions (X, c++, mono) are taking place now
[03:17] <trygvebw> ik-sparc:  ^
[03:17] <ik-sparc> ok :)
[03:17] <rootb0x> well then i need to run my knopiix std distribution 4 that
[03:18] <rootb0x> -i
[03:18] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: true. but seeing that hoary was no different than warty, i dont expect breezy to have *radical* changes
[03:18] <Seveas> hans_, it hasn't, you just configure it with a text editor and run it
[03:18] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, hoary had radical changes
[03:18] <trygvebw> Seveas: What changes to Breezy are expected in the next weeks? I've been running it from the start but haven't discovered many changes...
[03:18] <Seveas> breezy has more :)
[03:18] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: like ?
[03:18] <Seveas> trygvebw, c++ transition (heavy breakage), X updates (possible breakage) introduction of latest mono & beagle
[03:19] <rootb0x> Enycrypted thank you anyway for helping me thank you
[03:19] <trygvebw> Seveas: ok :)
[03:19] <trygvebw> good :)
[03:19] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, X.org for one was a major change
[03:19] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: for a non - developer, end user, xorg is same as xf86
[03:19] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, and massive acpi fixes
[03:19] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, yes, but it IS a radical change
[03:19] <reset> How change luminosity in xine? it's easy no?
[03:20] <trygvebw> reset: What is lumonisity?
[03:20] <reset> luminosity
[03:20] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: no.. xorg is not radical.. my dad, he is a "newb" -- why should he care whats serving his display, as long he is getting to see pretty gui ?
[03:20] <reset> croma
[03:20] <morris> brightness too ?
[03:20] <reset> yes
[03:20] <k31th> sysLink: im installing 3ddesktop now
[03:20] <Seveas> k31th, it's a resource hog
[03:21] <Seveas> even when idle
[03:21] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: there have been NO changes to ui, no "smoothing" of the gui
[03:21] <k31th> yeah ?
[03:21] <trygvebw> da_bon_bon: better hw-support, GNOME 2.10, lots of new tools, etc.
[03:21] <Encrypted> rootb0x, np.. sorry i couldnt be more help and actually have an i386 ubuntu box lying around.. but im SLOWLY migrating gentoo machines
[03:21] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, gnome 2.10 is a change
[03:21] <k31th> Seveas: does it look kool tho
[03:21] <Seveas> much smoother imho
[03:21] <hans_> is there a ftp server prog with an frontend?
[03:21] <trygvebw> 3ddesktop is cool...
[03:21] <Seveas> and the xscreensaver lock screen ;)
[03:21] <vicks> why does firefox eat and leak so much memory? tiwo windows eats like 122 mb on my box
[03:21] <da_bon_bon> Seveas, trygvebw: again, form a newbs POV, gnome 2.10 is as good as 2.8
[03:21] <Seveas> k31th, looks k00l indeed :)
[03:21] <trygvebw> da_bon_bon: no? why?
[03:21] <trygvebw> the "places" menu is fantastic :D
[03:21] <trygvebw> ;)
[03:21] <reset> How change luminosity in xine? it's easy no?
[03:21] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, i don't agree on that
[03:22] <Seveas> indeed, places :)
[03:22] <da_bon_bon> Seveas, trygvebw: again, the menus and windows look just as they always do.. no change at all
[03:22] <Encrypted> rootb0x, gentoo box number #4 has an orinoco card.. ill make it go into monitor mode and post instructions to forum or something
[03:22] <reset> How change luminosity in xine?
[03:22] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, why shoudl only UI changes be considered huge updates?
[03:22] <trygvebw> da_bon_bon: why change things that works?
[03:23] <rootb0x> thank you very much encrypted i watch out 4 that
[03:23] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, acpi fixes are much more important imho
[03:23] <trygvebw> rootb0x: are you using a translator?
[03:23] <da_bon_bon> trygvebw: thats my point -- its very stagnant. so unless some radical change takes place, users might never know difference between hoary, warty, breezy
[03:23] <Seveas> since they make ubuntu work on my laptop :)
[03:23] <morris> reset, looks like nobody present knows..
[03:23] <topyli> reset: no-one seems to know. please ask again later
[03:23] <Kyaneos> hi
[03:23] <trygvebw> da_bon_bon: gui installer i think will come in breezy
[03:23] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: then, from point of view of newb user, what can be considered huge changes ?
[03:23] <trygvebw> much better hw-support
[03:23] <geargolem> hi
[03:23] <da_bon_bon> trygvebw: now, THAT A BIUG change
[03:24] <trygvebw> hi geargolem
[03:24] <trygvebw> da_bon_bon: yes
[03:24] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, not much
[03:24] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: thats my point then
[03:24] <geargolem> hi trybvebw
[03:24] <da_bon_bon> warty ~= hoary
[03:24] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, but then, windows hasn't evolved sinse '95
[03:24] <Seveas> since*
[03:24] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: it has
[03:24] <Encrypted> In Hoary we have GNOME 2.10.1....
[03:24] <trygvebw> no, we have a mix :)
[03:24] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: compare 95 and xp
[03:24] <Seveas> Encrypted, he says it's not a big update ;)
[03:24] <geargolem> need help with rdiff-backup
[03:24] <Encrypted> almost sure my amd64 distro is running 2.8
[03:24] <trygvebw> between 2.10.0 and 1.10.1
[03:24] <da_bon_bon> but i AM not promoting windows at all - i hate it
[03:24] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, well ook one update between 95 and now...
[03:25] <Seveas> but under the hood windows got better too
[03:25] <trygvebw> i would say "warty -> hoary" is like 95 to ME...
[03:25] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, you sound like a very superficial person this way
[03:25] <trygvebw> except for ME's unstability ;)
[03:25] <Seveas> lol ok
[03:25] <Seveas> was about to comment on it :)
[03:25] <Encrypted> was about to say .. 95 > ME = downgrade
[03:25] <trygvebw> :P
[03:25] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: me ? i ofcourse know how much significant is gnome and xorg
[03:25] <Encrypted> ME was completely unusable
[03:26] <da_bon_bon> i am talking of a prtototype newb user, Seveas
[03:26] <egg> XP -> Dos   upgrade
[03:26] <Encrypted> looked nice tho
[03:26] <trygvebw> me thinks ME is the nice windows ever :D
[03:26] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, prototype newb users do not even *care* about what changes
[03:26] <trygvebw> *nicest
[03:26] <Seveas> prototype newb users do not *want* the ui to change
[03:26] <Seveas> because they have to learn new things then
[03:26] <vicks> trying again: anyone nows why firefox eat and leak so much memory on my box? two windows eats like 122 mb
[03:26] <coky> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[03:27] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: so, thats what i SAID.. for them, isnt warty same as hoary ?
[03:27] <trygvebw> hi coky
[03:27] <Hoxzer^^> have anyone used S60 phone as an modem?
[03:27] <trygvebw> vicks: #firefox
[03:27] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, you said that there were no radical changes...
[03:27] <trygvebw> Hoxzer^^: i've heard it working...
[03:27] <reset> ok
[03:27] <Hoxzer^^> Try: how
[03:27] <Hoxzer^^> with USB
[03:27] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: right. that time, i was talking from point of view of newb user
[03:28] <trygvebw> Hoxzer^^: No idea, sorry, try searching the forum and wiki :)
[03:28] <Seveas> ah ok, must have missed that. I agree on that and i think it's a good thing
[03:28] <Shadowkid> So
[03:28] <Shadowkid> Everything works
[03:28] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: ok :)
[03:28] <Shadowkid> Except Bluetooth and scanner... :-(
[03:28] <da_bon_bon> but a graphical installer and usplash will be GREAT
[03:28] <Seveas> hmm
[03:28] <Seveas> that's a matter of taste :)
[03:28] <pnix> hi all, anyone can help me about 'apt-get update'?
[03:28] <da_bon_bon> i only wish breezy is to canonical what xp was to microsoft
[03:29] <viorus> guess I've to find some modules for my other hdds -_-
[03:29] <Shadowkid> Don't say that word too loud
[03:29] <shastry> oops ok
[03:29] <shastry> psst.. but why ?
[03:29] <Seveas> the first thing i want for usplash / graphical installer is a way to disable it :)
[03:29] <Shadowkid> It's evil
[03:29] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: why ? u r a hacker ?
[03:29] <Seveas> install-from-livecd would be great though
[03:29] <shastry> Seveas, thats why i said "choice"
[03:30] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, depends on your interpretation of hacker
[03:30] <shastry> da_bon_bon, now how told you that only hackers like CLI ?
[03:30] <Encrypted> what would be nice is .. install from usb flash disk
[03:30] <shastry> Encrypted, oooh beautiful heh
[03:30] <Seveas> i do not break into other peoples machines, but i'm a die-hard C hacker :)
[03:30] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: u get turned on by seeing console messages in black and white  scrolling by ? if yes, u r a hax0r
[03:30] <k31th> Encrypted: would be fast
[03:30] <hayden> hacker eh, like dudes can i make a ubuntu cluster?
[03:30] <eikon> hi
[03:30] <egg> hi
[03:30] <shastry> Seveas, how unfortunate that the term hacker is being mis-interpreted in the modern world
[03:30] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, eeek hax0r, sounds to script-kiddy IEEE-1337 ISO 707 certified to me :)
[03:31] <da_bon_bon> LOL
[03:31] <eikon> what packages do I have to install to make a 3dfx voodoo 3 board?
[03:31] <eikon> *to make work
[03:31] <egg> what's that?
[03:31] <k31th> depends on wat you call a hacker
[03:31] <k31th> cracker, hacker, 1337 mofo
[03:31] <eikon> video board
[03:32] <Seveas> eikon, libglide2/libglide3
[03:32] <Shadowkid> I use a suse symbol for the trash
[03:32] <Shadowkid> :-D
[03:32] <trygvebw> hehe
[03:32] <eikon> thanks
[03:32] <Seveas> lol Shadowkid :)
[03:32] <Shadowkid> Yeah
[03:32] <npiv> Shadowkid, :) I migrated from SuSE im very pleased, DOnt have that bad memories though :)
[03:32] <Hoxzer^^> Damn I only find Bluetooth tips for nokia phones :/
[03:33] <Hoxzer^^> I need USB help! >_<
[03:33] <egg> http://img269.echo.cx/img269/8228/1240489nd.jpg
[03:33] <eikon> the xorg module is glide?
[03:33] <Shadowkid> I used Mandrake before I went Ubuntu :-D
[03:33] <k31th> Yuk
[03:33] <egg> You need LFS
[03:33] <k31th> tho i admit
[03:33] <k31th> i installed it once
[03:33] <LinuxUser> howto install .deb package?
[03:34] <k31th> infact more than once
[03:34] <Seveas> LinuxUser, dpkg -i THEFILE
[03:34] <shastry> LinuxUser, dpkg -i foo.deb
[03:34] <LinuxUser> ok
[03:34] <LinuxUser> thx
[03:34] <hayden> what they said
[03:34] <Shadowkid> When I had Mandrake I couldn't use my CD-Burner
[03:34] <ik-sparc> this unoficial web site is ok to change repostories? http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:34] <shastry> lol hayden
[03:34] <hayden> shastry: u beat me to it
[03:34] <shastry> beeen a looong time since i used debian
[03:35] <shastry> or its derivatives
[03:35] <trygvebw> No?
[03:35] <Shadowkid> Debian is our big brother
[03:35] <ik-sparc> nop
[03:35] <hayden> is it worth installing fluxbox/xfce on a 350mhz 64mb ram?
[03:35] <shastry> nope
[03:35] <shastry> hayden, yea it is
[03:35] <trygvebw> hayden: XFCE4
[03:35] <trygvebw> It's nice, if it's too slow install Fluxbox.
[03:35] <shastry> hayden, openbox/fluxbox/blackbox will THRIVE there
[03:35] <hayden> ok
[03:35] <hayden> i installed ubuntu as a server
[03:36] <hayden> so atm i only have a command line
[03:36] <jared> do any ports besides 22 need to be open for ssh to work.
[03:36] <Seveas> so do an apt-get install xfce4 :)
[03:36] <Seveas> jared, no
[03:36] <hayden> i'll have to get xorg too
[03:36] <Seveas> hayden, will be dragged in as dependency
[03:36] <hayden> ah ok
[03:36] <Shadowkid> Where can I get a MS-windows icon for my trash?
[03:37] <Seveas> microsoft.com :)
[03:37] <airox> Hi guys.
[03:37] <rootb0x> :)
[03:37] <sysLink> Hi ariox
[03:37] <egg> steal
[03:37] <Shadowkid> Really? :-D
[03:37] <airox> I'm messing with ndiswrapper and when using 'iwlist scanning' I see my wireless network.
[03:37] <airox> But I can't set the essid and key for it in order to connect.
[03:38] <Seveas> airox, what kind of encryption?
[03:38] <rootb0x> hm .. this could be interesting
[03:38] <airox> I set the essid but it doesn't get set.
[03:38] <airox> wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:off/any
[03:38] <airox> I'm connecting to a 11b
[03:38] <egg> a/b/g
[03:38] <sysLink> wep encryption?
[03:38] <airox> Seveas: WEP offcourse :)
[03:38] <egg> wep sucks
[03:38] <airox> Well I told the card to use only 11b
[03:38] <rootb0x> airox which nic?
[03:39] <airox> egg: VPN does not suck oke ? :)
[03:39] <Seveas> airox, and also: do ifconfig wlan0 down, iwconfig wlan0 key YOURKEY, iwconfig wlan0 essid YOURSSID, iwconfig wlan0 commit, ifconfig wlan0 up
[03:39] <egg> broken in mins
[03:39] <airox> rootb0x: MSI PC54G
[03:39] <rootb0x> ty
[03:39] <egg> watch news
[03:39] <Seveas> egg, 8000-odd packets are needed :)
[03:39] <egg> ?
[03:40] <egg> that 's old news
[03:40] <airox> kismet on another machine also detects the msi card :)
[03:40] <egg> now
[03:40] <sysLink> airox I had to set my info manually for it to wrok properly in the network config file
[03:40] <egg> hehe
[03:40] <egg> searching RSS
[03:40] <airox> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[03:40] <airox>     invalid argument "*****".
[03:40] <ronaldo> anyone can recommend a good mobo
[03:41] <airox> argh
[03:41] <airox> sorry :P
[03:41] <airox> forget the s:**** :)
[03:43] <jredburn> Is there a good solution for changing wireless profiles? I don't necessarily need auto-detection of networks, but it would be nice.
[03:43] <airox> jredburn: Yes.
[03:44] <airox> jredburn: netapplet
[03:44] <TJORVEN> when i am about to extract a .gz file with gunzip it says unknown suffix why??
[03:44] <LinuxUser> if i change things in my xorg.conf, does it takes effect without restarting x ?
[03:44] <trygvebw> No
[03:44] <LinuxUser> ok
[03:44] <shastry> linuxboy, no you must restart X
[03:44] <shastry> err LinuxUser ^
[03:45] <LinuxUser> ok :)
[03:45] <shastry> bah.. bad LAG
[03:45] <Seveas> TJORVEN, what is the filename?
[03:45] <TJORVEN> Seveas, its .gz
[03:45] <Seveas> TJORVEN, to force it to try: cat FILENAME_HERE | gzip -d
[03:45] <TJORVEN> Seveas, will try that
[03:46] <LinuxUser> is kde available in aptget thing?
[03:46] <LinuxUser> or how i can get it ?
[03:46] <Seveas> TJORVEN, and if it's a tar.gz: tar zxf THE_FILENAME extracts it :)
[03:46] <Seveas> LinuxUser, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:46] <MeHere> LinuxUser: yes
[03:46] <LinuxUser> ok
[03:46] <rootb0x> Jredburn there is a solution Wireless connection manager 1.06
[03:46] <LinuxUser> sudo = root ?
[03:46] <rootb0x> its a gnome applet
[03:46] <TJORVEN> Seveas, i know
[03:46] <rootb0x> search find install
[03:46] <k31th> sysLink: no chance of that working then seesm i dont have opengl installed ?
[03:47] <LinuxUser> thats unsafe to use things like that ?
[03:47] <MeHere> LinuxUser you can open a root window and be happy about it and no need for sudo
[03:47] <count0nz> anyone seen this with ipv6 ?
[03:47] <TJORVEN> Seveas, it doesn't work it just sounds strange
[03:47] <count0nz> sh-3.00# ip route add ::/0 dev sixbone
[03:47] <count0nz> RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[03:47] <count0nz> sh-3.00# ip route
[03:47] <count0nz> 192.168.0.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.0.2
[03:47] <count0nz> default via 192.168.0.254 dev eth0
[03:47] <Seveas> MeHere, that actually uses gksudo ;)
[03:47] <shastry> TJORVEN, run file on the file
[03:47] <LinuxUser> ok, but sudo have same rights that root ?
[03:47] <Seveas> yes Linforcer
[03:47] <rootb0x> su user do
[03:47] <Seveas> LinuxUser,
[03:47] <shastry> file foo.gz
[03:47] <TJORVEN> ?
[03:47] <teknoprep> does it make sense that fglrx driver only works when i have linux-source installed
[03:47] <MeHere> LinuxUser: and it's better to use aptitude
[03:47] <LinuxUser> ok
[03:48] <trygvebw> MeHere: Why aptitude?
[03:48] <MeHere> LinuxUser: specially when you're installing a whole new desktop
[03:48] <TJORVEN> stats= gzip compressed archived from unix
[03:48] <MeHere> LinuxUser: because aptitude locks resources so you won't mess your system when you're install kde
[03:48] <trygvebw> Isn't it only a frontend for ap-tget?
[03:48] <teknoprep> yup
[03:48] <trygvebw> *apt-get
[03:48] <trygvebw> ahh
[03:48] <Seveas> trygvebw, no
[03:48] <teknoprep> apt-get is fine to use... why use aptitude
[03:48] <kestas_> why better to use aptitude?
[03:48] <teknoprep> or even why is it better
[03:48] <teknoprep> its not
[03:48] <teknoprep> its better for him
[03:48] <Seveas> apt-get/synaptic/aptitude are all frontends to dpkg using the apt library
[03:48] <kestas_> okay why is it better for him?
[03:49] <trygvebw> Aha :)
[03:49] <trygvebw> Ok :)
[03:49] <kestas_> whats the difference?
[03:49] <MeHere> LinuxUser : many people who install using apt-get have problems using their resources later
[03:49] <teknoprep> aptitude is visual.. and works with a mouse
[03:49] <teknoprep> he must be a point and click user
[03:49] <kestas_> Seveas: doesnt synaptic use apt-get?
[03:49] <Seveas> teknoprep, aptitude is console
[03:49] <MeHere> no just say
[03:49] <Seveas> kestas_, it uses libapt, just like apt-get does
[03:49] <kestas_> k
[03:49] <MeHere> aptitude install <whatever> just like apt-get
[03:49] <MeHere> aptitude locks everything
[03:49] <MeHere> that's why it's better
[03:50] <airox> Argh, why would I.
[03:50] <Seveas> MeHere, so does apt-get and synaptic
[03:50] <airox> I have another computer :] 
[03:50] <MeHere> no
[03:50] <Seveas> MeHere, yes
[03:50] <MeHere> apt-get doesn't do locking on resources
[03:50] <shastry> TJORVEN, gunzip foo.gz .. didnt work ?
[03:50] <Seveas> MeHere, nonsense
[03:50] <MeHere> only locks file system
[03:50] <MeHere> you can try
[03:50] <MeHere> install with apt-get and lose your wireless connection
[03:50] <Seveas> MeHere, what other resources could you possibly want to lock
[03:50] <MeHere> and install with aptitude and not lose it
[03:50] <Seveas> MeHere, nonsense
[03:51] <MeHere> and then you can come and agree that what i'm saying isn't nonsense
[03:51] <Seveas> please stop confusing people
[03:51] <teknoprep> heh
[03:51] <teknoprep> i am not confused
[03:51] <topyli> are we confused yet?
[03:51] <TJORVEN> shastry, same error
[03:52] <Gog> I'm always confused
[03:52] <TJORVEN> shastry, ignored wrong suffix
[03:52] <airox> I am confused about this wireless issue.
[03:52] <teknoprep> MeHere you loose connection with wireless when you install with apt-get
[03:52] <teknoprep> wtf
[03:52] <teknoprep> yeah
[03:52] <trygvebw> no?
[03:52] <trygvebw> do you?
[03:52] <teknoprep> no
[03:52] <airox> let me try :)
[03:52] <teknoprep> hell no
[03:52] <Seveas> teknoprep, that's what i meant with nonsense :)
[03:52] <trygvebw> course not
[03:52] <MeHere> yeah when i installed kde with apt-get i lost my wireless
[03:52] <shastry> TJORVEN, is it a gz or a tar.gz ?
[03:52] <teknoprep> its all nonsense
[03:52] <trygvebw> MeHere: then it's you driver....
[03:52] <trygvebw> *your
[03:52] <teknoprep> your you're
[03:52] <teknoprep> all the same to me
[03:52] <shastry> TJORVEN, zcat foo.gz > new_file
[03:52] <MeHere> the driver was installed before then it disappeared
[03:52] <trygvebw> I'm dist-upgrading with apt-get right now, while chatting and browsing...
[03:53] <teknoprep> driver?
[03:53] <teknoprep> oh you mean module
[03:53] <teknoprep> or firmware
[03:53] <teknoprep> lol
[03:53] <MeHere> but with aptitude i did the same installation though it didn't damage anything
[03:53] <trygvebw> Ahwell
[03:53] <teknoprep> MeHere why is apt-get dmg'ing stuff
[03:53] <teknoprep> i think your computer is fubar'd
[03:54] <TJORVEN> will try
[03:54] <teknoprep> or its a major pebkac error
[03:54] <airox> O_o
[03:54] <MeHere> cause it has bugs i guess
[03:54] <teknoprep> pebkac's are hard to fix
[03:54] <MeHere> i donno exactly
[03:54] <Seveas> teknoprep, i count on the pebkac :)
[03:54] <teknoprep> they are usually stuborn problems
[03:54] <teknoprep> lol
[03:54] <teknoprep> yeah
[03:54] <MeHere> i asked my lecturer and he told me it has to do with locking resources
[03:54] <Seveas> damn hard to fix
[03:55] <teknoprep> you listen to a lecturer
[03:55] <Linforcer> Seveas	{#ubuntu} yes Linforcer
[03:55] <Linforcer> wha?
[03:55] <airox> This wireless thing is also hard to fix. :(
[03:55] <Seveas> Linforcer, <tab> completion error, sorry
[03:55] <trygvebw> Has Breezy got GTK with libcairo now? dist-upgrade wants to install libcairo1 .D
[03:55] <trygvebw> *:D
[03:55] <egamad> MeHere, by locking do you mean the lock file it creates? I don't believe it actually locks files
[03:55] <teknoprep> lol Seveas ... lecturer's being listened too.. stuff just stops working... wtf
[03:55] <frogger^> is there a tool for gnome to connect to the internet with a single mouseclick?
[03:55] <Linforcer> xD alright
[03:55] <dockane> what imho is really missing in ubuntu is a consistent way of printing (dialogue). i do not know a lot of printing in linux, but there must be a way to give the user a dialogue that provides him with scaling, preview and options before printing
[03:55] <Seveas> lol teknoprep :)
[03:56] <TJORVEN> shastry, din't work sounded strange again
[03:56] <teknoprep> frogger^ i setup a bash script that looks like this.. and then linked it on my desktop.. in the link properties for it i told it to run in console
[03:56] <morris> What bandwidth usage monitoring software is recomended to be used? I am happy with a graph / usage of ethernet traffic only. not worried about specific users.
[03:56] <trygvebw> Seveas ?
[03:56] <Seveas> yes..?
[03:56] <MeHere> egamad: i believe it has to do woith locking resource access not neccessarily files
[03:56] <teknoprep> i just had it run a script in /run/wlanup... the wlanup file says... iwconfig eth1 key <my wep> ; ifup eth1
[03:57] <Tron|BoRG> hello all :D
[03:57] <trygvebw> You're a developer right? You know if GTK in Breezy has got Cairo support? dist-upgrade wants to install libcairo1
[03:57] <airox> What's wrong with ifup ? :(
[03:57] <hans_> my windows machine cant see my smb or nfs shares..why?
[03:57] <Tron|BoRG> who loves ubuntu??? ME!!
[03:57] <frogger^> teknoprep, does it also close an open connection?
[03:57] <trygvebw> METOO :D
[03:57] <dcraven> TJORVEN: Maybe download the file again? Sounds like it's b0rked.
[03:57] <trygvebw> ;)
[03:57] <Seveas> trygvebw, sorry, i am not an ubuntu developer
[03:57] <Tron|BoRG> hans i got a link for you
[03:57] <dockane> i just tested gtkpsproc but even that lacks of the one or the other possibility .... the print dialogue of gimp is somehow what i am looking for but why does it not allow to scale more than 100 %
[03:57] <teknoprep> you have to do this first thos...... echo "iface eth1 inet dhcp" >> /etc/network/interfaces
[03:57] <Tron|BoRG> argh but its on windows
[03:57] <Seveas> and i cannot answer that question too
[03:57] <teknoprep> no frogger^
[03:57] <Tron|BoRG> i'll find it
[03:57] <trygvebw> Seveas: ah, ok, though you were since you knew the things about future... ok :)
[03:57] <teknoprep> you can make another script for that
[03:57] <TJORVEN> I GOT IT TO WORK WEEEE!
[03:58] <teknoprep> just do ifdown eth1
[03:58] <TJORVEN> thanks for help
[03:58] <trygvebw> well, i'm dist-upgrading, so let's see :)
[03:58] <Seveas> trygvebw, everyone can know these things by reading ubuntu-devel@lists
[03:58] <dcraven> TJORVEN: I'm curious to know what the problem was with the file.
[03:58] <Seveas> and the udu.wiki.ubuntu.com wiki
[03:58] <trygvebw> ok :)
[03:58] <trygvebw> Thanks :)
[03:58] <airox> WTF does ndiswrapper want with usbcore !?!
[03:58] <airox> Strangeeeee things.
[03:58] <Seveas> airox, it's for usb wlan cards
[03:59] <Tron|BoRG> does anyone find firefox a bit slower on ubuntu?
[03:59] <airox> Tron|BoRG: Yes.
[03:59] <Seveas> it wants the module even if there are no such cards
[03:59] <airox> Seveas: :(
[03:59] <trygvebw> why is that bad?
[03:59] <dcraven> Tron|BoRG: It's very slow.
[03:59] <Tron|BoRG> same here dc
[03:59] <Tron|BoRG> *sob*
[03:59] <dcraven> Tron|BoRG: Sometimes, it just stops for a bit. heh
[04:00] <dcraven> Tron|BoRG: I dunno what you are comparing it too though.
[04:01] <TJORVEN> dcraven, dunno but when i did zcat foo.gz > new_file it worked
[04:01] <dcraven> TJORVEN: Cool. Thanks.
[04:01] <teknoprep> w0ot
[04:01] <teknoprep> fglrx rocks
[04:01] <TJORVEN> dcraven, NP
[04:01] <teknoprep> i have got getting this to work down to a scient
[04:01] <Tron|BoRG> Oh, i'm comparing it to firefox on windows
[04:01] <teknoprep> science even
[04:02] <teknoprep> my ati radeon mobility 9600 really perfoms well with fglrx
[04:02] <dcraven> Tron|BoRG: Oh. Then it's worth the slowness.
[04:02] <Seveas> teknoprep, can you give me your recipe to getting it working (ie: xorg.conf) since i still have to do it :)
[04:02] <Seveas> with the *exact* same card :)
[04:02] <teknoprep> lol
[04:02] <Tron|BoRG> Ubuntu is too addictive to leave
[04:02] <dcraven> Tron|BoRG: I thought you were thinking of Opera or Epiphany or something.
[04:02] <teknoprep> do you have the ECS G736
[04:03] <Seveas> no, i meant exact same chip :
[04:03] <teknoprep> Tron|BoRG i agree
[04:03] <Seveas> :)
[04:03] <airox> Tron|BoRG: Delete it!
[04:03] <dcraven> Tron|BoRG: I dunno if it's that or Windows is too frustrating to use.
[04:03] <teknoprep> Seveas yeah whats your problem
[04:03] <teknoprep> do you get that white screen
[04:03] <teknoprep> or black screen
[04:03] <teknoprep> error
[04:03] <airox> gray!
[04:03] <Seveas> teknoprep, well, no problem, but  still have to configure it. Last time i tried back in warty i fubar'ed X :)
[04:03] <Tron|BoRG> heh, i thought an update of firefox (since its only 1.02) might help
[04:03] <teknoprep> run fglrxconfig
[04:03] <Tron|BoRG> but i dont know how :)
[04:04] <Seveas> Tron|BoRG, FF in ubuntu is 1.0.4 in disguise
[04:04] <teknoprep> just sudo that
[04:04] <Tron|BoRG> it is?!
[04:04] <airox> Tron|BoRG: Yes.
[04:04] <teknoprep> follow the intructions
[04:04] <Seveas> teknoprep, yeah, that fubar'ed it :)
[04:04] <teknoprep> everything is pretty much default
[04:04] <teknoprep> also
[04:04] <Seveas> so i must have missed something
[04:04] <teknoprep> apt-get install linux-source
[04:04] <teknoprep> also get the newest kernel
[04:04] <Tron|BoRG> gnome rocks
[04:04] <teknoprep> 2.6.8+ works great
[04:04] <Seveas> linux-source really??
[04:04] <teknoprep> gnome sucks
[04:04] <trygvebw> gnome roxors osx' socks :D
[04:04] <Tron|BoRG> hehe
[04:04] <trygvebw> ;)
[04:04] <teknoprep> yeah i have problems without it
[04:04] <Seveas> hmm
[04:04] <dcraven> Tron|BoRG: 1.04 is in backports if you feel the need.
[04:04] <teknoprep> its the oddest problem too
[04:05] <Tiboz> hey all
[04:05] <Tron|BoRG> hi tiboz
[04:05] <Whessel> Hi all
[04:05] <Tron|BoRG> welcome
[04:05] <teknoprep> trygvebw os x is the best GUI ever built for any *nix based os
[04:05] <teknoprep> EVER
[04:05] <Tron|BoRG> X-Chat rocks
[04:05] <Seveas> teknoprep, can you mail me your xorg.conf for reference (dennis@kaarsemaker.net)
[04:05] <teknoprep> lol
[04:05] <teknoprep> dont' do that
[04:05] <teknoprep> i can just paste it
[04:05] <trygvebw> teknoprep: me thinks GNOME is nicer :) but everybody have different ops...
[04:05] <teknoprep> on paste.bin
[04:05] <Whessel> Is it normal that /dev/hda1 doesn't exist ?!?
[04:05] <teknoprep> never post email on irc lol
[04:05] <Tron|BoRG> course :D
[04:05] <trygvebw> Whessel: S-ATA?
[04:05] <Whessel> yes
[04:06] <Seveas> teknoprep, ok, tell me when it's on the bin :)
[04:06] <trygvebw> Whessel: Then your disk is /dev/sda :)
[04:06] <dr_willis> bgates@microsoft.com
[04:06] <dr_willis> :P
[04:06] <teknoprep> brb
[04:06] <Whessel> ok ty!!!!
[04:06] <trygvebw> np :)
[04:06] <Tron|BoRG> any ideas if there is an equivalent to dreamweaver for linux
[04:06] <dcraven> vim
[04:06] <dcraven> lol
[04:06] <dcraven> j/k
[04:06] <Tron|BoRG> vim?
[04:07] <Tron|BoRG> isnt that a text editor
[04:07] <dcraven> Tron|BoRG: I've heard nvu is acceptiable for some.
[04:07] <Seveas> vim roxors your boxors :)
[04:07] <Tron|BoRG> lol
[04:07] <dcraven> Tron|BoRG: Yeah it is.
[04:07] <Tron|BoRG> I've not coded by hand yet :(
[04:07] <fortran01> I am using Ubuntu 5.04 (64-bit), how can I configure my modem to connect at 11xxx something speed? I think I am not connecting at the max speed.
[04:08] <dcraven> ...don't get me started.
[04:08] <Encrypted> fortran01, what speed you connecting at ?
[04:08] <Whessel> Ty trygvebw : I mounted my 1st drive perfectly :)
[04:08] <fortran01> Encrypted: How can I see the speed?
[04:08] <teknoprep> Seveas,  yoo
[04:08] <teknoprep> Seveas, http://pastebin.com/286079
[04:09] <Seveas> tyvm teknoprep
[04:09] <rootb0x> i got another question i want to play mpeg avi divx files and so o with my totem video player but my screen keeps black only sound i worrking
[04:09] <rootb0x> what im doing wrong?
[04:09] <Encrypted> fortran01, err.. gonna have to ask someone else to tell you that.. never used a modem in ubuntu
[04:09] <sysLink> rootbox sounds like your missing a codec
[04:09] <trygvebw> Whessel: ok :)
[04:09] <Encrypted> fortran01, but you might find its around 42000 or something like that.. which is completely normal
[04:09] <rootb0x> yes
[04:09] <Encrypted> fortran01, or 57600
[04:09] <dcraven> Encrypted: hehe.. His question kinda implies that he knows the speed eh?
[04:09] <trygvebw> rootb0x: you have all codecs?
[04:09] <sysLink> should be able to pull a good one from synaptic
[04:10] <Tron|BoRG> Its so peaceful in linux *bathes in warmth*
[04:10] <rootb0x> hm i installed some
[04:10] <teknoprep> if you are speaking to me about anything please put my name someone in the line of text.. so i know to answer
[04:10] <teknoprep> ty
[04:10] <rootb0x> hm ok
[04:10] <Encrypted> fortran01, 115200 is purely port speed
[04:10] <fortran01> Encrypted: I used to connect using kppp, which has an option for setting the connect speed. Is this possible with Ubuntu?
[04:10] <Encrypted> dcraven, figured he knew what speed he was running at
[04:11] <Encrypted> fortran01, kppp used to have a little monitor similiar to windows.. which showed speed.. you getting anything like that with ubuntu ?
[04:11] <fortran01> Encrypted: I tried 57600 with kppp, and I am sure there is a difference when I set 57600 versus 115200
[04:11] <rootb0x> the synaptics teling me i have 98 packets defect lol what should i do?
[04:11] <teknoprep> Seceas hold
[04:11] <Encrypted> fortran01, no difference.. unless your on isdn
[04:11] <teknoprep> Seveas, hold i pasted wrong one
[04:11] <Seveas> teknoprep, lol :)
[04:12] <dcraven> rootb0x: Well that depends on what you *did*.
[04:12] <fortran01> Encrypted: I think there is a difference, because the set speed determines the ceiling or max
[04:12] <rootb0x> :-)
[04:12] <dcraven> rootb0x: I'd start by removing non-official entries from my sources.list.
[04:12] <rootb0x> i have installed to many apps and some libs are missing for some programs
[04:12] <fortran01> and I can really observe that it's slow compared to using Mandriva with kppp
[04:12] <Encrypted> fortran01, yep.. your ceiling should be 57600 with a 56k modem.. if it is set lower then your goign to loose speed
[04:13] <rootb0x> dcraven i cant do that my syystem might geht unstable if its not already
[04:13] <dcraven> rootb0x: By removing bad repos?
[04:13] <dcraven> s/bad/incompatible
[04:13] <PieD> hi folks
[04:14] <Shadowkid> So
[04:14] <sysLink> hi pied
[04:14] <PieD> I've got a quite serious problem with my kUbuntu / breezy :/
[04:14] <Seveas> PieD, do NOT use breezy yet
[04:14] <Encrypted> *looks at topic*
[04:14] <Seveas> it's unstable as hell
[04:14] <PieD> today, a X component update...
[04:14] <rootb0x> yes thats right i might get better but i did that already andf my kernel panic
[04:14] <dcraven> PieD: You'll probably have plenty more too!
[04:14] <PieD> how can I correct it ?
[04:14] <Seveas> PieD, there will be no breezy support in here
[04:14] <Seveas> PieD, by reinstalling hoary
[04:14] <Seveas> breezy is NOT meant to be used
[04:14] <PieD> reinstalling
[04:14] <PieD> I want to test !
[04:15] <fortran01> How do you normally connect to the Internet using a dial-up modem?
[04:15] <trygvebw> PieD: Then you have to expect problems ;)
[04:15] <PieD> there is no problem. There are only solutions
[04:15] <PieD> but for that problem, I don't find the solution
[04:15] <PieD> X says it can't find the "fixed" font
[04:16] <teknoprep> Seveas, i will paste this one
[04:16] <teknoprep> Seveas, sorry about that
[04:16] <Seveas> teknoprep, no problem :)
[04:17] <dcraven> PieD: I'd first change your sources.list back to "hoary" entries, then I'd attempt to reinstall that particular X component.
[04:17] <PieD> I don't remember its name : where is the history maintained by synaptic stored ?
[04:17] <dcraven> PieD: Or all of X.
[04:17] <teknoprep> Seveas, http://pastebin.com/286083
[04:17] <teknoprep> Seveas, only a few modifications
[04:18] <teknoprep> Seveas,  but they are the ones that count
[04:18] <PieD> I'm not really used with apt-get yet
[04:18] <Seveas> tyvm again teknoprep
[04:18] <dcraven> PieD: Me either.. There is a history under synaptic's File menu though.
[04:19] <PieD> I found the logs : /root/.synaptic/logs
[04:20] <Seveas> PieD, please do a reinstall of hoary
[04:20] <Seveas> breezy is not suitable for end-users
[04:20] <teknoprep> eh
[04:20] <teknoprep> ?
[04:20] <Seveas> and downgrading is very, very hard if not impossible
[04:20] <space_oddity> hello
[04:20] <teknoprep> is breezy just not stable
[04:21] <space_oddity> how can I make a screenshot of X?
[04:21] <Seveas> teknoprep, breezy is very unstable
[04:21] <teknoprep> space_oddity, hit print screen and then paste in a paint program
[04:21] <space_oddity> I can't remember the command... x[....] 
[04:21] <Seveas> space_oddity, there is a screenshot panel applet for gnome
[04:21] <clsk> hm. Is there any way to put a cd image on a dvd?
[04:21] <Seveas> space_oddity, or you can use gimp
[04:21] <teknoprep> clsk there are ways to do lots of things
[04:22] <dcraven> PieD: Good to know
[04:22] <dcraven> space_oddity: PrintScreen key works in GNOME.
[04:22] <dcraven> space_oddity: Alt-PrintScreen for the active window only.
[04:24] <sysLink> anyone know of a less resource intensive 3ddesktop type app?
[04:24] <space_oddity> thanks! gimp worked great
[04:25] <clsk> hm.
[04:25] <clsk> I've been trying to look how to do this on google.
[04:25] <clsk> Haven't found anything about it yet.
[04:25] <dcraven> sysLink: I don't think so.
[04:26] <sysLink> :( it slows down my lappy too much to use all the time
[04:26] <dcraven> sysLink: The solution I use is not using it :)
[04:26] <teknoprep> k3b owns
[04:26] <dcraven> sysLink: Does look neato though ;)
[04:26] <sysLink> dcrave: but its cool looking :-p
[04:26] <mike_> hello, anyone have time to help me with samba?
[04:27] <Seveas> mike_, look at the topic: just ask :)
[04:27] <mike_> aa ok, here goes, i've installed samba and everything works fine except that user2 can't delete or modify dir/files made by user1 and the other way around.
[04:29] <mike_> how can i do so everyone can modify every folder/file in samba?
[04:29] <mike_> im runnig ubuntu server
[04:30] <hayden> if i chose server, how can i isntall xorg and xfce4?
[04:30] <Seveas> mike_, read through the documentation, i bet it's a configuration option
[04:30] <Seveas> hayden, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[04:30] <hayden> i've apt-get install 'd xfce4 and xserver-xorg but i dunno how to load them
[04:30] <mike_> i did, but i can't get it to work
[04:30] <hayden> it didnt get xorg as a dependency
[04:30] <Seveas> hayden, apt-get install gdm then :)
[04:31] <Seveas> it didn't?? hmm...
[04:32] <dcraven> hayden: install x-window-system
[04:32] <hayden> thats the one, thanks
[04:32] <dcraven> hayden: It's a meta for all of the x crud.
[04:32] <Seveas> someone should make a list of these metapackages
[04:33] <seth> I just got an email asking how my expirence with Microsoft was.....
[04:33] <dcraven> mike_: These files you want to modify, are they on the Linux box or the Windows box?
[04:33] <dcraven> seth: From MS?
[04:33] <seth> dcraven, yeah.
[04:33] <dcraven> Mmmm..Spam...
[04:33] <seth> customerservice@microsoft.com
[04:33] <hans_> my windows machine cant see my smb or nfs shares..why?
[04:33] <hayden> seth: spammers can spoof that
[04:33] <dcraven> seth: Check the header.. It's probably not even from them.
[04:34] <mike_> im running a samba server/ubuntu, 2 windows XP clients, 1 linux, 2 Mac OS X
[04:34] <mike_> so there on the samba server
[04:34] <seth> For some reason, I got a 3 DVD set of Visual Studio 2005 Beta from them.
[04:34] <mike_> everyone can accsess and make files/dirs
[04:34] <seth> I didn't sign up for anything, yet I got that.
[04:34] <mike_> but i cant delete user2 files and user2 cant delete my files
[04:34] <teknoprep> Seveas, you get that to work then
[04:34] <jw_ma_ke> hi
[04:34] <dcraven> seth: Send it back. "Return to sender" heh
[04:34] <seth> I got them yesterday, and thought, "What the f*ck? I don't even have a DVD-ROM on my laptop!"
[04:35] <seth> dcraven, why? I needed coasters.
[04:35] <seth> People broke majority of my AOL CDs..
[04:35] <jw_ma_ke> is anyone able to help me with getting wake on lan to work with ubuntu? are there any settings within the OS neccessary for this?
[04:36] <IcemanV9> wonders if there is AOL for Ubuntu?? hahaha!
[04:36] <Encrypted> jw_ma_ke, WOL is purely BIOS
[04:36] <jw_ma_ke> thats what i thought
[04:36] <seth> sudo apt-get install AOL
[04:36] <Shadowkid> I flow
[04:36] <Shadowkid> flew
[04:36] <seth> Permission Denied
[04:36] <jw_ma_ke> and i find the MAC of my ethernet card using arp -a no?
[04:36] <IcemanV9> seth: :)
[04:36] <seth> icebalm, Ubuntu is the first intelligent distro. It's smart enough to know better then allow you to ruin your life by using a shitty ISP.
[04:37] <Encrypted> jw_ma_ke, just type ifconfig for your machine.. or arp -an for other machines
[04:37] <Thazza> mike: i am pretty sure your issue is to do with permissions, think u will find the samba server permissions are not correctly being set. you will need to tweak the smb.conf file. and also chmod the current files.
[04:37] <seth> Ah well. I got to head out. Going diving with a few friends today.
[04:37] <Shadowkid> Who had the idea?
[04:38] <mike_> yeah i did, but... i'm kinda stuck =/
[04:38] <dcraven> mike_: in your smb.conf file, is there a setting called "create mask" or something like that?
[04:38] <jw_ma_ke> Encrypted: why is my computer not waking up then? I am sending a magic packet but it isn't doing anything.
[04:38] <mike_> [software] 
[04:38] <mike_> comment = Storage area
[04:38] <mike_> path = /home/samba/software
[04:38] <mike_> valid users = user1, user2
[04:38] <mike_> writeable = yes
[04:38] <mike_> browseable = yes
[04:38] <mike_> read only = no
[04:38] <mike_> guest ok = no
[04:38] <mike_> public = no
[04:38] <mike_> create mode = 0777
[04:38] <Shadowkid> Okay, enough for today. Bye! ;-)
[04:38] <jw_ma_ke> I know that it is enabled in the BIOS as the 'ethernet connected' light on the router is on for the PC even when the PC is turned off
[04:38] <Encrypted> jw_ma_ke, onboard lan ? or lan card ?
[04:38] <jw_ma_ke> lan card, definitely with WOL
[04:38] <dcraven> mike_: You shouldn't paste stuff like that in an IRC channel.
[04:39] <Encrypted> jw_ma_ke, WOL cable correctly wired ?
[04:39] <mike_> ok, why?
[04:39] <An00b15> Gnome has gone of the farm
[04:39] <KongenBX> what is a pcap file? Where do i find it?
[04:39] <An00b15> I can't control Gnome anymore
[04:39] <dcraven> mike_: It floods the poor dialup users, and is rude.
[04:39] <jw_ma_ke> Encrypted: that is the only thing that worries me. The Asus A7V333 mb doesnt have a WOL connector, but instead does it through PCI 2.2
[04:39] <An00b15> after it crashed last time
[04:39] <jw_ma_ke> so the cable is not connectedd
[04:39] <An00b15> everytime I reboot
[04:39] <mike_> aa, sorry, i wont.
[04:39] <Encrypted> jw_ma_ke, hmmm
[04:39] <An00b15> gdm start
[04:39] <An00b15> I log in
[04:39] <dcraven> mike_: Use pastebin.com or something like that.
[04:40] <An00b15> but the gnome-panel
[04:40] <An00b15> and nautilus seems to not respond
[04:40] <jw_ma_ke> encypted: but as i said, the router still recognises that the NIC is receiving power as its light is on for the PC
[04:40] <An00b15> only after killing nautilus does nautilus ocme back
[04:40] <An00b15> but the task bar is foobared
[04:40] <An00b15> also
[04:40] <An00b15> when logged into say xfce4
[04:40] <An00b15> gnome still appears to be runnning?!
[04:40] <An00b15> thus sucking up my resources
[04:41] <tarzeau> An00b15: you can use pkill -u
[04:41] <dcraven> mike_: Silly question, but when you make changes to the smb.conf file, are you restarting samba so that the changes take affect?
[04:41] <Encrypted> jw_ma_ke, have you tried googling the problem.. sounds very motherboard specific
[04:41] <mike_> yes
[04:41] <An00b15> phill -u ????
[04:41] <An00b15> just that itself
[04:41] <An00b15> thats a new one ot me
[04:42] <LinuxUser> what is chmod number to allow all possible users have rights to file ?
[04:42] <Vixus> How do I change my default media player to xine, rather than Totem?
[04:42] <mike_> is chmod 0777 right? thats read write to all right?
[04:42] <dcraven> mike_: Try changing "create mode" to "create mask".
[04:42] <LinuxUser> wineserver xxx must not be accessible by other users ?
[04:42] <dcraven> mike_: Yeah, that's wide open.
[04:43] <dcraven> mike_: And add the same line for "directory mask".
[04:43] <An00b15> even after i hit the key sequence to restart Gnome
[04:44] <An00b15> it just goes to the prompt
[04:44] <mike_> ok adding now, gonna try
[04:44] <An00b15> tty
[04:44] <steffenstrobel> hello everybody, i'm using ubuntu (kubuntu to be exact) on my ibook g3. I have a sound problem: when i boot the ibook with external speakers plugged in there is no sound, but when i plug them off and after that in (all after finishing booting) the sound is suddently working!!! Does somebody of you know how to fix that, because i dont want to plug off and after that plugin the speakers after every reboot.... THANKS!!!!
[04:44] <An00b15> so something is really wrong
[04:44] <Vixus> Do I have to install totem-xine?
[04:44] <An00b15> the processes all look proper
[04:45] <dcraven> mike_: Or it seems you can use "force user = whatever" or "force group = whatever" to have the files created with that owner/group's permisions. That sounds like a decent alternative too.
[04:45] <LinuxUser> wtf can i drive cedega only with root ?
[04:45] <Vixus> LinuxUser: Change the permissions.
[04:45] <LinuxUser> no effect
[04:45] <LinuxUser> i try with user
[04:46] <mike_> ok, cool, adding
[04:46] <LinuxUser> i wrote chmod 0777 to that file
[04:46] <LinuxUser> howto make chmod to directory? and subdirectories?
[04:46] <shinu> LinuxUser: should be chmod 777 i think
[04:46] <shinu> LinuxUser: -r i think
[04:47] <dcraven> LinuxUser: Be careful.
[04:47] <Vixus> yeah, -r
[04:47] <dcraven> mike_: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/ch05_03.html
[04:48] <Anubis> I wish I could kill all processes without rebooting
[04:48] <LinuxUser> .... must not be accessible by other users ...
[04:48] <Anubis> and restart them
[04:48] <dcraven> LinuxUser: I think it might be -R to do a recursive chmod btw.
[04:48] <LinuxUser> chmod -R ?
[04:49] <Seveas> ok, a little contest here: who knows the most metapackages in ubuntu, please send me your answer in a private message :)
[04:49] <shinu> LinuxUser: try man chmod to make sure ;)
[04:50] <IcemanV9> what's the prize/reward, Seveas??
[04:50] <dbasetrinity> hello
[04:50] <Seveas> IcemanV9, there is none, i just need a list of metapackages :)
[04:51] <dbasetrinity> can someone please tell me how i install java on ubuntu
[04:51] <Echylo> people don't wanna answer question for fun anymore
[04:51] <Echylo> always prizes or rewards
[04:51] <alexander_> Hello again am absinte
[04:52] <IcemanV9> oooookk .... ;)
[04:52] <scandium> dbasetrinity, a free environment or sun's kit?
[04:52] <dbasetrinity> then answer them because you can
[04:52] <dbasetrinity> what ever gets me on yahoo chat
[04:52] <npiv> dbasetrinity - there are various ways http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[04:52] <npiv> gives a good overview with detailed instructions
[04:53] <Vixus> Anyone know how to record video streams (ie. asx)
[04:53] <scandium> dbasetrinity, http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#jre  that's probably the easiest (is the same process with 5.04)
[04:53] <alexander_> Need serious help
[04:53] <hayden> i cant believe how good xfce4 is going on my 350mhz 64m ram, comp
[04:53] <npiv> anyone know what service is causing an open port 661 , identified by ppd ?
[04:53] <dbasetrinity> keeps welling me i need a plug in but i cant seem to find one thats right or im just not doing it right
[04:53] <alexander_> I can just have 1024 res and 60hz
[04:54] <dbasetrinity> thanks for the link
[04:54] <LinuxUser> ooh crap
[04:54] <LinuxUser> this sucks
[04:54] <Vixus> Oh great.
[04:54] <Vixus> Sound has stopped working on Ubuntu
[04:54] <Vixus> ...
[04:54] <mike_> Thanks all!!! it worked, thank you dcraven!!
[04:54] <npiv> dbasetrinity, - where you talking about pure java or just java plugin for firefox ?
[04:55] <mike_> =))
[04:55] <LinuxUser> wineserver (my computer) must not be accessible by other users ? wtf does this mean ?
[04:55] <dbasetrinity> yea the plug in
[04:56] <ovalenti> I would like to build a package with modules for my webcam... I wonder if it is possible to make a link from VID/PID to a package name, so as when the cam is pluged, the package is installed....
[04:56] <dbasetrinity> i think i got it now someone gave me a link to ubuntu book
[04:56] <npiv> anyone know anything about         631/tcp open ipp       Its standard on ubuntu, I dont like it, would be nice to know whats causing it
[04:56] <scandium> npiv, cups (for printing)
[04:57] <dbasetrinity> this irc seems alot more user friendly then the one for windows
[04:57] <PieD> problem solved !
[04:57] <npiv> scandium -eww I dont have printer, thats gotta go :)
[04:57] <PieD> a symlink was wrong in /usr/lib
[04:57] <scandium> npiv, if you remove all all the cupsys occurenced in /etc/rc* it should be gone
[04:57] <scandium> -d +s
[04:57] <IcemanV9> dbasetrinity: try http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[04:57] <npiv> scandium - thanks, Im gonna be more thorough and purge the bastard :)
[04:58] <PieD> see you later
[04:58] <ovalenti> anybody: is there a way to require a package when an ISB device is plugged ?
[04:59] <ovalenti> ISB -> USB
[04:59] <Funraiser> Mac OS X TIGER is a UNIX-like, right?
[05:00] <g14> OSX is BSD. so yes
[05:01] <Funraiser> k, and linux is Unix like too, so how come it's not possible ton install OSX on a pc?
[05:02] <hayden> Funraiser: because the hardware is different
[05:02] <factorx> Funraiser: because it isn't made for x86 architecture
[05:03] <Funraiser> k
[05:03] <teknoprep> yeah
[05:03] <flipy> hi
[05:05] <Thazza> LinuxUser, Have you tried doing a google search on your issue? I how found quite a few different thoughts on this issue.
[05:05] <Thazza> LinuxUser, Try this one out for a little bit of an example: http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-users/2004/02/0020.html
[05:06] <flipy> i know that question doesn't have an answer yet but... does anyone know how to install ubuntu on a fake-raid (mobo chipset)?
[05:06] <LinuxUser> now i have prob solved
[05:06] <Funraiser> i've been reading somewhere that some ubuntu devs work on apple Notebooks, and that they dual boot with Ubuntu? am i mistaken?
[05:06] <LinuxUser> just removed that whineing file
[05:07] <LinuxUser> works now
[05:07] <Funraiser> is it possible?
[05:07] <kestas_> Funraiser: yes
[05:07] <factorx> Funraiser: yes, because ubuntu PPC version is available
[05:09] <Funraiser> so it's possible to install Ubuntu on a Apple Notebook but it's not possible to install Mac OS X on a pc...(?)
[05:09] <factorx> Funraiser: that's it
[05:09] <Funraiser> ok
[05:09] <toran> hey guys, I need some help- I have two hard drives- one's IDE, the other SATA. The IDE has a different distribution of linux on it, that i was using before I changed to ubuntu. Now I'm on ubuntu, I want to get rid of the files on the other disk. But I realized, my master boot record is on the other drive. How do I move grub and the master boot record over to my drive with ubuntu on it?
[05:09] <yaaar> word
[05:09] <npiv> in listing installed packages dpkg -l    does not display the full name of some of the longer package names, How can I get round this, I need it for a script ?
[05:10] <teknomaniac> hi i'm new ,i have stupid question, in witch folder are installing programs eg mplayer ?
[05:10] <Seveas> npiv, dpkg --get-selections
[05:10] <Seveas> npiv, dpkg --set-selections is nice for your script too
[05:10] <toran> teknomaniac: try "locate <string>" to search your hard drive for files with "<string>" in them
[05:10] <npiv> seveas - youre a legend, thanks man :)
[05:11] <toran> teknomaniac: so if you are looking for mplayer files, you could try "locate mplayer"
[05:11] <yaaar> hey guys, in your experience is the file manager really slow? i think it's really, really cool (particularly how it always remembers the size and shape of each folder's window) ...but on my usb hard drive every time i open a folder that hasn't been opened recently, it sits there saying "opening foo...press cancel to abort" for *minutes* before opening the window
[05:11] <yaaar> i've not noticed this behavior on any other machines, windows, mac, or linux
[05:12] <teknomaniac> when i write locate mplayer i have message : warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory ,when i write find . mplayer i have no results ;/
[05:13] <Seveas> teknomaniac, run sudo updatedb (takes a long time) before running slocate
[05:13] <TJORVEN> how do i execute my x-executable files??+
[05:13] <toran> teknomaniac: you should probably set updatedb to run every night or something so it updates each night
[05:13] <Seveas> teknomaniac, also: use the slocate cronjob. Do you have anacron installed?
[05:13] <sig> chmod +x name.bin
[05:13] <KongenBX> do kismet work under ubuntu ?
[05:13] <Seveas> toran, it does so by default if you have anacron installed
[05:13] <Seveas> KongenBX, yes
[05:14] <teknomaniac> hmm like i said i;m new and i don't know what is it anacron:)
[05:14] <toran> Seveas: hey, I have a question- how would I install my boot stuff on a different hard drive than the one it's currently on without messing stuff up?
[05:14] <KongenBX> Seveas: How? Unable to open cisco control file"
[05:14] <Seveas> KongenBX, you need to configure it
[05:14] <mirak> anyone have  Ads tech instant tv dvb-t pci, or Pinnacle Systems PCTV MediaCenter 200i ? Is is working on linux ?
[05:15] <TJORVEN> wich is the best mp3 player the one that goes with ubuntu is buggy!
[05:15] <Seveas> toran, make a partition, copy all that's in boot onto it, change grub's menu.lst (don't forget the defaults) and fstab
[05:15] <sig> TJORVEN: xmms
[05:16] <TJORVEN> sig, thanks
[05:16] <toran> Seveas: ok, so I need to make a new boot partition on my drive with ubuntu currently on it?
[05:16] <Seveas> TJORVEN, try beep-media-player, it's like xmms, but prettier :)
[05:16] <toran> does it matter if it's at the end of the hard drive? I can't put it at the beginning because of my current partition set up
[05:16] <Seveas> toran, or on any drive you want
[05:16] <toran> yeah, I'm trying to move the MBR to my ubuntu drive
[05:16] <TJORVEN> seveas, ok thanks will try
[05:16] <Seveas> toran, that only matters with older bioses
[05:16] <toran> ok, cool
[05:17] <yaaar> TJORVEN: i like xmms
[05:17] <toran> I'll ask if I have any problems :)
[05:17] <Seveas> TJORVEN, also: there is a nice beep/xmms ubuntu skin on art.gnome.org
[05:17] <jw_ma_ke> encrypted: im even more confused now...
[05:18] <TJORVEN> seveas, cool i will check it out
[05:18] <jw_ma_ke> i assumed it wasnt working because the NIC PCI isnt 2.2 as needed by my mobo to work (since it doesnt have a WOL cable)
[05:18] <Seveas> teknomaniac, did you install hoary or upgrade from warty?
[05:18] <yaaar> Seveas: so beep-media-player is also winamp skin compatible?
[05:18] <jw_ma_ke> but having looked in device manager, the actual model number is of a NIC with PCI 2.2...so im confused
[05:18] <Seveas> yaaar, yes, it's a gtk2 port of xmms
[05:18] <yaaar> no kidding
[05:18] <Seveas> that's why it's prettier :)
[05:18] <yaaar> that sounds like a fantastic idea
[05:18] <Seveas> uhuh
[05:19] <yaaar> yeah, gonna try that shortly
[05:19] <Echylo> it's a fork of the xmms project
[05:19] <Plutojambo>  http://linux.jsphome.com 
[05:19] <teknomaniac> from warty
[05:19] <Plutojambo> 
[05:19] <Seveas> Plutojambo, please speak english in here
[05:19] <Plutojambo> sorry
[05:19] <Echylo> or something we can understand some way
[05:19] <Seveas> teknomaniac, do you still have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[05:19] <yaaar> so, is it normal for the filemanager to take like 2-3 minutes to open a folder on a usb drive?
[05:19] <Plutojambo> here Chinese??
[05:20] <teknomaniac> yes
[05:20] <toran> Seveas: hey, can I edit partitions while I'm booted into ubuntu, or do I need to boot into ubuntu
[05:20] <mindspore> I'm having a problem burning a bin/cue with k3b under ubuntu... I burnt the first bin/cue just fine, but when i got to the second one, i get an "unknown error" operation not permitted.. any idea?
[05:20] <Plutojambo> poor English
[05:20] <Seveas> toran, no idea, never tried :)
[05:20] <toran> ><
[05:21] <Seveas> Plutojambo, #ubuntu-zh
[05:21] <Plutojambo> o
[05:21] <Plutojambo> THX
[05:21] <Plutojambo> 88
[05:21] <hayden> anyone know how to config proftpd?
[05:21] <Seveas> hayden, edit /etc/proftpd.conf :)
[05:21] <hayden> yea i know
[05:22] <hayden> im just not sure how to get what i want
[05:22] <jw_ma_ke> encrypted: im even more confused now...
[05:22] <samuel> sup all
[05:22] <Seveas> man proftpd
[05:22] <Seveas> man proftpd.conf
[05:22] <IcemanV9> interesting! it's neat to see chinese characters. i didn't think i would see it clearly .. not garage. cool. :)
[05:22] <Seveas> :)
[05:22] <jw_ma_ke> i assumed it wasnt working because the NIC PCI isnt 2.2 as needed by my mobo to work (since it doesnt have a WOL cable)
[05:22] <jw_ma_ke> but having looked in device manager, the actual model number is of a NIC with PCI 2.2...so im confused
[05:22] <IcemanV9> garbage*
[05:22] <mindspore> anyone on the k3b question?
[05:22] <Seveas> IcemanV9, thanks to a UTF-8 locale :)
[05:22] <samuel> can anyone plz tell me, how do you find what package contains file such-and-such
[05:22] <samuel> ?
[05:23] <Seveas> samuel, for installed packages that is easy
[05:23] <Seveas> dpkg -S /path/to/some/file
[05:23] <samuel> Seveas, for installed packages?
[05:23] <samuel> for packages in repository?
[05:23] <Seveas> for not-installed packages you should ask :)
[05:24] <samuel> i remember there is some package or something you can use...
[05:24] <samuel> forgot what though...
[05:24] <Seveas> because afaik there is no way of searching for it
[05:24] <samuel> there is
[05:24] <Seveas> (but i can be wrong here)
[05:24] <samuel> i just forgot
[05:24] <samuel> there is like a package with all the files listed in there or something
[05:24] <Seveas> ah ok
[05:24] <samuel> at least there was in debian
[05:25] <modelia> samuel, r u talking about the synaptic package manager?
[05:26] <samuel> modelia, no
[05:26] <samuel> it was a package in there that you have to install to be able to search all the packages
[05:27] <modelia> like an indexer?
[05:27] <Seveas> samuel, highly unlikely that it exists, since it would have to be updated on every package update
[05:27] <jamey_> i am trying to open a file with ddd and i get this error
[05:27] <samuel> Seveas, its apt-file
[05:27] <samuel> in debian
[05:27] <samuel> i just asked #debian
[05:27] <jamey_> /home/sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S No such file or directory
[05:28] <jamey_> any help
[05:28] <Seveas> hmm, nice
[05:28] <kestas_> dont you have to install a package before you can see its files?
[05:28] <samuel> kestas_, no
[05:28] <samuel> not with apt-file
[05:28] <Funraiser> Kestas u can see it in synaptic before
[05:29] <kestas_> Funraiser: I dont think so
[05:29] <kestas_> samuel: how does apt-file work?
[05:29] <Tron|BoRG> hello all
[05:29] <kestas_> samuel: if its a database of files its probably only for the debian repo
[05:29] <modelia> hi Tron
[05:29] <Tron|BoRG> :D
[05:29] <Funraiser> Kestas, my bad
[05:29] <jamey_>  /home/sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S No such file or directory
[05:29] <jamey_> help please
[05:29] <kestas_> samuel: and I cant think how else it would work
[05:29] <Seveas> jamey_, what are you trying to do??
[05:29] <TJORVEN> how do i start bmp?
[05:30] <samuel> kestas_, it is some sort of database, but it is included in ubuntu universe - so i assume its for ubuntu
[05:30] <jamey_> i was trying to open a file with ddd
[05:30] <samuel> as well
[05:30] <Seveas> TJORVEN, applications -> sound & video -> beep media player
[05:30] <kestas_> hmm okay
[05:30] <IFRFLYR> hi, does anyone have acroread running under ubuntu 5.04
[05:30] <jamey_> and got this error when trying to open the file
[05:30] <jamey_>  /home/sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S No such file or directory
[05:30] <Seveas> what is ddd?
[05:30] <jamey_> gui gdb
[05:30] <Seveas> ah
[05:31] <Seveas> IFRFLYR, i have acroread 7
[05:31] <TJORVEN> Seveas, must have installed it wrong
[05:31] <TJORVEN> Seveas, cant find it
[05:31] <Seveas> jamey_, sound like either a bug in ddd or one in the file you open
[05:31] <IFRFLYR> Seveas: How'd you install? I did apt-get install acroread and then apt-get install acroread-debian-files and it won't start...
[05:31] <Seveas> TJORVEN, try beep-media-player from the command line then
[05:31] <TJORVEN> Seveas, ok
[05:31] <Seveas> IFRFLYR, i installed with the adobe installer
[05:31] <jamey_> ok i will try to try it on another machine
[05:31] <Funraiser> IFRFLYR i have acrobat reader 7 too
[05:31] <IFRFLYR> Seveas. Thanks, will give it a shot.
[05:31] <TJORVEN> Seveas, noop
[05:31] <jamey_> thanks seveas
[05:32] <Seveas> TJORVEN, i hope you installed beep-media-player and not beep
[05:32] <IFRFLYR> funraiser, did you do the same, with the Adobe installer?
[05:32] <Seveas> since beep is something else :)
[05:32] <TJORVEN> Seveas, i installed bmp-0.9.7
[05:32] <TJORVEN> Seveas, i ran the install.sh file
[05:33] <Seveas> TJORVEN, why??
[05:33] <Seveas> you can install it with synaptic
[05:33] <TJORVEN> Seveas, really?
[05:33] <TJORVEN> Seveas, i feel gay
[05:33] <Seveas> if you don't install with synaptic i have no idea on how to run it (can be installed anywhere)
[05:33] <TJORVEN> Seveas, good point
[05:34] <IFRFLYR> ***IcemanV9 did you also use the adobe installer?
[05:34] <Funraiser> IFRFLYR, can't remember where i got it, but it's not the apt-get, that one is ugly
[05:34] <deFrysk> rreader 7 is in marrillat
[05:34] <IFRFLYR> Thanks!!
[05:35] <Seveas> TJORVEN, http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=23274 <== ubuntu xmms/beep skin
[05:35] <lotusleaf> To install KDE within Ubuntu, one just selects kubuntu-desktop and KDE installs, correct?
[05:36] <Seveas> lotusleaf, yes
[05:36] <RAID1> hey guys i need help installing hoary with raid1
[05:36] <TJORVEN> Seveas, ok thanks a lot but how do i install tar.gz with synaptic?
[05:36] <lotusleaf> Seveas, thanks. Can I unselect amarok and other packages or are these mandatory in initial install of kde?
[05:36] <lotusleaf> Seveas, it marks a lot of unneccesary packages when I select kubuntu-desktop
[05:36] <hans_> can any1 help me install my lexmark allinone x74 printer?
[05:37] <RAID1> anyone?
[05:37] <hans_> of course
[05:37] <Seveas> lotusleaf, you can also just install the kde metapackage
[05:37] <Seveas> TJORVEN, yoy mean the theme i sent you?
[05:37] <deFrysk> kubuntu-desktop that is
[05:38] <TJORVEN> Seveas, no :) the bmp.tar.gz<
[05:38] <Seveas> TJORVEN, you cannot :)
[05:38] <lotusleaf> Seveas, kde metapackage?
[05:38] <IcemanV9> IFRFLYR: no. not adobe installer. i just followed http://ubuntuguide.org/#acroread.
[05:38] <TJORVEN> Seveas, but you said use synaptic
[05:38] <Seveas> lotusleaf, apt-get install kde-base oslt
[05:38] <Seveas> TJORVEN, there is a beep-media-player in the ubuntu repository
[05:38] <lotusleaf> Seveas, thank you ;)
[05:38] <RAID1> can anyone help me out with a raid1 setup?
[05:38] <deFrysk> lotusleaf,  kubuntu-desktop
[05:39] <Seveas> you can install that one with synaptic
[05:39] <TJORVEN> Seveas, there is?
[05:39] <lotusleaf> deFrysk, ?
[05:39] <deFrysk> to install kde
[05:39] <Seveas> TJORVEN, yes L(
[05:39] <Seveas> :)
[05:39] <Seveas> lotusleaf, he didn't want that :)
[05:39] <lotusleaf> deFrysk, but that installs other programs like amarok which I don't want to download at 56k ;)
[05:39] <TJORVEN> Seveas, ok that saves time
[05:39] <Seveas> deFrysk, he didn't want that :)
[05:39] <deFrysk> ooh misread the story
[05:39] <lotusleaf> deFrysk, thanks though ;-)
[05:39] <hayden> does anyone know how to configure a ftp server like proftpd or wuftpd?
[05:39] <deFrysk> 56k poor you
[05:39] <UnreA|L> Hello everybody ;)
[05:40] <Seveas> lotusleaf, well, the KDE basics are big enough to not want to download too
[05:40] <UnreA|L> How remove dir with files ?
[05:40] <lotusleaf> Seveas, heh I know but gnome ppp apps suck majorly IMO
[05:40] <Seveas> UnreA|L, rm -r
[05:40] <Seveas> but BE CAREFUL
[05:40] <UnreA|L> rmdir -r ?
[05:40] <lotusleaf> Seveas, what does the oslt denote?
[05:40] <Seveas> "r something like that"
[05:40] <Seveas> "or something like that"
[05:41] <Andril> hello all
[05:41] <kynes> I can't find xf86dga.h in X11/extensions/
[05:41] <kynes> even though I installed the necessary packages
[05:41] <kynes> why? and how can I fix?
[05:41] <lotusleaf> Seveas, ah thx ;)
[05:41] <Seveas> kynes, did you install X11-dev too?
[05:41] <kynes> xlibs-dev
[05:41] <toran> Seveas: hey, is it possible to resize a swap partition? I can't seem to do it. I even booted into knoppix, but I couldn't. I must be doing something wrong. Know of any how-tos?
[05:41] <kynes> I installed
[05:42] <Seveas> toran, ENOCLUE
[05:42] <RAID1> can anyone help me out with a raid1 setup?
[05:42] <kynes> what do I have to install for these things? xf86dga.h xf86vmode.h
[05:42] <TJORVEN> Seveas, thanks for the help BTW
[05:43] <IFRFLYR> Seveas and everyone - thanks, got acroread7 going.
[05:43] <toran> --_--
[05:45] <RAID1> can anyone help me out with a raid1 setup?
[05:45] <toran> RAID1: talk to Seveas about it, he helps people get a clue
[05:45] <RAID1> thanks toran
[05:46] <Seveas> toran, yeah, if i know about the topic
[05:46] <kynes> man why don't these files come out of the mentioned packages.. :|
[05:46] <toran> RAID1: actually I was being sarcastic -_-
[05:46] <Seveas> but i know nothing about settuing up ubuntu on raid
[05:46] <kynes> Debian Search of 'xf86dga.h' (2): (/usr/include/ggi/display/xf86dga.h) in libdevel/libggi2-dev ;; (/usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/xf86dga.h) in libdevel/xlibs-static-dev.
[05:46] <kynes> I have all of that
[05:46] <kynes> and xlib-dev
[05:46] <RAID1> i'm desperate here
[05:46] <kynes> whatever
[05:46] <toran> RAID1: hey, have you tried the ubuntu wiki?
[05:46] <RAID1> i need to have this box up and running by today
[05:46] <KongenBX> how do i make my soundcard work? ac97
[05:47] <toran> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingToRAID1
[05:47] <toran> seen that?
[05:47] <lotusleaf> Anyone else on dialup who hates Gnome's PPP tools? They're weird IMO.
[05:47] <toran> http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+raid1&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
[05:47] <toran> and that?'
[05:47] <RAID1> what is the url to the hoary wiki?
[05:48] <Seveas> RAID1, he just gave it :)
[05:48] <Seveas> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingToRAID1
[05:49] <RAID1> that's for warty though
[05:49] <npiv> can I take a quick poll :) , whats everybodys favourite p2p program ?
[05:49] <hayden> how can i change the comptuer name and the domain?
[05:49] <sysLink> x-chat ;)
[05:49] <Seveas> npiv, azureus
[05:49] <sysLink> nothing beats irc :-p
[05:49] <RAID1> my problem is that i can't even create the raid md in the raid tool in the partitioner
[05:49] <kestas_> what should I install to run .jar ?
[05:49] <Seveas> kestas_, java
[05:49] <hayden> kestas_: java
[05:49] <kestas_> some java sdk or something?
[05:49] <yahalom> would ubutn work on this: Intel Celeron 500 Mhz Cache memory: 128k Total memory: 65536M
[05:50] <kestas_> okay but whats the name of the package
[05:50] <yahalom> 20 GB HH
[05:50] <yahalom> 20 GB HD
[05:50] <Seveas> kestas: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[05:50] <hayden> yahalom: yep, im runnign it on a 350mhz 64Mb ram atm
[05:50] <Seveas> there is no pre-built ubuntu java package
[05:50] <kestas_> hmm okay thanks, which .bin should I be on the lookout for?
[05:50] <tahorg> yahalom: will be slow but functional
[05:50] <kestas_> linux-sdk or something?
[05:50] <yahalom> hayden, is it slow?
[05:50] <hayden> yea
[05:51] <yahalom> hayden, kubuntu was slow as hell
[05:51] <IcemanV9> yahalom: yes, it runs on 128mb laptop of mine
[05:51] <rootb0x> ohh dear back with another problem ... i need a good cdr and dvdr burning tool something like nero on a windows machine
[05:51] <hayden> im running xfce4 on it
[05:51] <tahorg> yahalom: try xfce
[05:51] <hayden> and it is runnign alright
[05:51] <deFrysk> rootb0x, gnomebaker or graveman
[05:51] <Seveas> kestas_, http://192.18.97.134/ECom/EComTicketServlet/BEGIN673D675672AEEED0DF008ED69BD18C1D/-2147483648/865230831/1/615302/615170/865230831/2ts+/westCoastFSEND/jdk-1.5.0_03-oth-JPR/jdk-1.5.0_03-oth-JPR:4/jdk-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin
[05:51] <rootb0x> ty
[05:51] <hayden> i installed it as a server then installed xorg and xfce after
[05:51] <yahalom> hayden, so how did u do it? instal ubuntu then remove gnome, or just leave gnome and install xfce?
[05:52] <yahalom> hayden, xfce was working, but slow
[05:52] <kestas_> much appreciated Seveas
[05:52] <petroleum> out of curiosity do standard .deb packages work with ubuntu's version of apt-get?
[05:52] <petroleum> apt*
[05:52] <yahalom> hayden, workable though, thinking of trying fluxbox
[05:52] <Seveas> petroleum, yes, ubuntu's deb packages are in the standard format
[05:52] <yahalom> hayden, u have adsl?
[05:52] <Seveas> but using packages from debian archives is not recommended
[05:52] <yahalom> tahorg, thanx
[05:52] <tahorg> petroleum: some of debian packages won't install
[05:52] <npiv> Seveas - Im currently on the wiki/java page, what method would you recommend - there are like 5 different ways to install java
[05:52] <petroleum> thanks , i assume its my server list then thats not fully up to scratch
[05:52] <yahalom> IcemanV9, xfce?
[05:52] <tahorg> petroleum: but in general, it does
[05:52] <Seveas> npiv: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[05:53] <hayden> yahalom: yea, it is usable
[05:53] <Seveas> that's what i always suggest
[05:53] <IcemanV9> yahalom: yes
[05:53] <hayden> and yea im on adsl
[05:53] <petroleum> what about apt-cache.. do they always find the packages? or is that just down to the server lists tahorg ?
[05:54] <Seveas> apt-cache uses only the lists downloaded with apt-get update (or synaptic)
[05:54] <yahalom> hayden, issue is when i play a movie, xine says "ur pc is too slow, frame rate too high"
[05:54] <npiv> Seveas, thanks
[05:54] <hayden> whats ur graphics card/
[05:54] <IcemanV9> yahalom: just try it ... if u don't like .. try fluxbox as u've said earlier .. just play around with it 'til you liked something. then reinstall with you really want. that way it was a "clean" install. :)
[05:54] <tahorg> petroleum: I did'nt understand your question
[05:54] <yahalom> hayden, ah there we go. thats it.
[05:54] <hayden> IcemanV9: thats what i had to do today
[05:54] <tahorg> petroleum: you can put a debian source in you server.list
[05:55] <IcemanV9> yahalom: use hdparm for cdrom
[05:55] <tahorg> pour
[05:55] <tahorg> !@#@
[05:55] <tahorg> your
[05:55] <Seveas> woohoo, the big c++ transition has started
[05:55] <petroleum> ahh ok
[05:55] <yahalom> IcemanV9, whats that?
[05:55] <petroleum> thanks tahorg  thats what i meant :D
[05:55] <Seveas> breezy will ne at its most unstable point in a few hours
[05:55] <yahalom> how do i use pppoeconf from terminal though?
[05:55] <IcemanV9> yahalom: it runs so smooth when i watched the movie, "The Lord of the Rings" :)
[05:55] <yahalom> IcemanV9, how does hdparm work?
[05:56] <tahorg> petroleum: but the diff between debian and ubuntu are growing
[05:56] <tahorg> petroleum: you may experience some dependecies problemes
[05:56] <petroleum> i see.. well i just want to install amsn atm
[05:56] <tarvid> i've got a basic server install
[05:56] <Seveas> amsn is in the ubuntu archives petroleum
[05:56] <kynes> okay just for the record: xf86dga.h is in libxxf86dga-dev package
[05:56] <petroleum> it is?
[05:56] <Seveas> yes
[05:56] <tarvid> i want to install apache2, postgresql, php mysql
[05:57] <Seveas> in the universe section
[05:57] <rootb0x> i got only 1 question i want to install gnomebaker now i need to install on the package site every single file thats need by gnomebaker is there a option where to download all files 4 gnomebaker needed?
[05:57] <tarvid> i am about to start banging apt-get
[05:57] <tarvid> is there an easier way
[05:57] <MuStR> tarvid: synaptic.
[05:57] <tarvid> i'll try it
[05:57] <Seveas> rootb0x, apt-get -d install gnomebaker
[05:57] <Seveas> that'll just download the packages
[05:58] <teknoprep> Seveas, you get fglrx working
[05:58] <kynes> okay just for the record: xf86dga.h is in libxxf86dga-dev , and xf86vmode.h is in libxxf86vm-dev packages
[05:58] <rootb0x> wow ty
[05:58] <kynes> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[05:58] <Seveas> teknoprep, didn't try yet, too busy with other things :)
[05:58] <teknoprep> lol
[05:58] <Seveas> kynes, that one is also known as packages.ubuntu.com :)
[05:59] <petroleum> kewl thanks SEBest
[05:59] <petroleum> :s
[05:59] <IcemanV9> yahalom: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom
[05:59] <petroleum> Seveas,
[05:59] <Seveas> yes..?
[05:59] <petroleum> was sayion thanks :D
[05:59] <kynes> seveas: yea yea :) got a bit confused
[05:59] <IcemanV9> yahalom: sorry for late response; installing Oracle on Ubuntu :)
[05:59] <Seveas> petroleum, ah, i missed a few lines there
[06:00] <Seveas> you're welcome :)
[06:00] <yahalom> IcemanV9, enjoy ;)
[06:00] <shaia> I need to compille nvidia drivers cause im  having some trouble I think with packaged ones...I was told all I needed was the kernel  headers but ./NV*.run is still complaining that it cant find kernel.h in the  /lib/modules/ area..what am I missing here ???
[06:01] <hans_> after i installed the fglrx driver i cant change the resolution any more...any help?
[06:01] <kestas_> shaia: use nvidia-kernel-common
[06:01] <kestas_> shaia: dont use NV*.runb
[06:01] <teknoprep> Seveas,  this works great man.. you should try it out then.. i am very impressed with kubuntu
[06:01] <shaia> kestas_, thats the nvidia run file shortened is all to do it quickier...
[06:01] <teknoprep> Seveas, did you apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:02] <UnreA|L> how install or open .pl file
[06:02] <Seveas> yes teknoprep
[06:02] <UnreA|L> vmware.pl ?
[06:02] <Seveas> i'm trying it out now, brb
[06:02] <oli__> hi i have an error when x is starting: Error activating XKB configuration
[06:02] <shaia> kestas_,I already have that package installed according to synaptic
[06:02] <Seveas> UnreA|L, it's probably a perl script
[06:02] <Seveas> so try perl [filename] 
[06:02] <kestas_> shaia: so what happens when you start x using Driver "nvidia" ?
[06:02] <teknoprep> just run it with full path name
[06:02] <oli__> yep
[06:03] <teknoprep> /its/path/vmware.pl
[06:03] <shaia> kestas_, I can't even get that far because as I said the nvidia package wont compile becuase it says im missing the kernel header localted in a build Directory in /lib/modules
[06:03] <Seveas> or ./vmware.pl if you are in the directory :)
[06:03] <IcemanV9> what?! no art gallery in OOo writer? :(
[06:03] <kestas_> shaia: if you have nvidia-kernel-common you have it installed
[06:03] <yaaar> is there anything i can do to speed up the file manager in ubuntu? it takes about 3 minutes to open a folder if it hasn't been opened recently
[06:04] <against> does anyone know about ubuntu on a g5?
[06:04] <kestas_> know what about it?
[06:04] <shaia> kestas_, nope that is incorrect im sorry..I just checked 'properties' under that package in synaptic and it shows no 'kernel.h' anywhere
[06:05] <against> do you anything about the fan control? when its running on my g5, the fans spin at full speed
[06:05] <kestas_> shaia: why would kernel.h be installed? just bloody try it will you youre wasting both of our time
[06:05] <kestas_> shaia: its already installed, you dont have to compile it
[06:05] <shaia> kestas_, hey stop with the attitude
[06:05] <shaia> kestas_, I have  been clear in my communication
[06:06] <shaia> kestas_, I told you i am 'compiling' the nvidia driver FROM SOURCE and im getting that error..I can't be much clearer I dont think ;(
[06:06] <kestas_> shaia: why are you compiling it?
[06:06] <tahorg> shaia: 2.6.10-5-686 ?
[06:06] <kestas_> shaia: why is it more likely to work compiling it from source?
[06:06] <against> anyone in here have a g5?
[06:06] <rootb0x> Seveas it doesnt work
[06:06] <rootb0x> it says the packet is not available
[06:06] <kestas_> shaia: its already installed, you can now use the nvidia driver
[06:06] <shaia> kestas_, because im seeing alot of crashing going on ..which is what ALOT of people are seeing with packaged nvidia driver in ubuntu so this is what i'm seeing as reccommended procedure
[06:06] <rootb0x> or something else .... ?
[06:06] <rootb0x> im frustrated
[06:07] <rootb0x> its working but the libs are needed every application on my ubuntu i havew installed it by hand
[06:07] <kestas_> shaia: I dont think I am being any clearer: IT IS ALREADY INSTALLED
[06:07] <shaia> kestas_, again you miss the point entirely
[06:07] <kestas_> *s/am being/can be/
[06:07] <gangalee> does totem play mpgs & dvds?
[06:07] <yaaar> yes
[06:07] <shaia> kestas_, no offense but your not reading my posts  very well
[06:07] <kestas_> shaia: why are you compiling from source?
[06:08] <shaia> kestas_, I have already tried the nvidia driver from synaptic..but it causes 'crashes' which have been reported by MANY people in forums
[06:08] <kestas_> shaia: why will compiling it from source help?
[06:08] <shaia> kestas_they all say to compile driver from source to avoid this 'bug'
[06:08] <kestas_> shaia: have you tried it without compiling it?
[06:08] <kestas_> shaia: isnt it worth a try?
[06:08] <tahorg> shaia: if you user the same kernerl header + compiler
[06:08] <shaia> kestas_, yes.and it crashes desktop alot
[06:08] <petroleum> shaia,  did you download Nvidia's linux driver from their site?
[06:08] <kestas_> shaia: I am using the nvidia driver right now, and I didnt compile it
[06:08] <petroleum> that compiles it itself i think?
[06:08] <shaia> petroleum, yes
[06:08] <tahorg> shaia: it will result the same binary
[06:08] <petroleum> k
[06:09] <tahorg> you know that ?
[06:09] <shaia> tahorg, i'm just saying what I read on forums and it was suggested ( in absense of anything else since no one knows WHY gnome is being crashy) that we try the downloadable source and compile it
[06:10] <modelia> so its better to use synaptic to install nvidia driver or download from their site and install it?
[06:10] <kestas_> theyre both just as good
[06:10] <shaia> tahorg, because nautilus has crashed on me along with other apps and I get same combgination of weird beheavior as others on forums
[06:10] <tahorg> modelia: download from their site includes "compiling"
[06:10] <kestas_> as theyre both the same thing
[06:10] <kestas_> the current nvidia driver is the one currently used
[06:10] <kestas_> in ubuntu
[06:10] <modelia> thx
[06:11] <shaia> modelia, synaptic is the EASY and preferred way to do it ..please dont misunderstand what im saying here ';-))
[06:11] <Seveas> teknoprep, wish me luck, i'm going to restart x
[06:11] <tahorg> shaia: btw a problem in the driver would more probably crash X, not only some apps
[06:11] <kent> Is there any good documentation on the internet about how to use gpg with evolution? Im not sure its realy something i need, and thats why I want to read about it :)
[06:11] <shaia> tahorg, well as I say no one seems to have a clue why gnome is being crashy..so I tried what was suggested is all ;-)
[06:11] <nevyn> kent: cryptography is like an envelope for email
[06:11] <nevyn> without it you're just sending postcards ;)
[06:12] <kestas_> shaia: if you want to compile from source you are going to have to get gcc, linux-source, linux-headers
[06:12] <tahorg> kent: you want to 'digitally sign' your mail ?
[06:12] <shaia> tahorg, if it was just me i'd say maybe bad hardware but a lot of people are seeing it so I can't imagine thats it
[06:12] <kestas_> shaia: then you will have to extract and symlink
[06:12] <shaia> kestas_, meaning I have to compile kernel to get kernel.h in /lib/modules ?
[06:12] <tahorg> nope
[06:12] <yaaar> does the file manager in ubuntu have major league performance problems, or is there something wrong with my setup? it's taking over 2 minutes to open folders
[06:12] <teknoprep> sev
[06:12] <kent> tahorg, yes, sort of.  But first of all, I want to read about it,  im google'ing about it, but if some one knows a good document about it, I would gladly read it
[06:12] <shaia> kestas_, or does installing linux-source put that file there
[06:13] <kestas_> shaia: Im not sure but you will need all the stuff I just mentioned as well as kernel.h
[06:13] <kestas_> shaia: and you will mess up
[06:13] <kestas_> shaia: and it will all have been a waste of time
[06:13] <shaia> kestas_, what do you  mean mess up
[06:13] <kestas_> shaia: because youll end up with what you have now
[06:13] <kynes> how can I install a library file?
[06:13] <kynes> in my hands, compiled fresh
[06:13] <kestas_> shaia: I mean youll run into another error after you install everything
[06:13] <shaia> kestas_, well yes I hardly want togo through this nightmare...if its the 'same' as installing nvidia-glx then of course I have  zero desire to achieve this
[06:13] <kestas_> shaia: and another and another, until you install it and realise it has all been pointless
[06:14] <kestas_> not nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common
[06:14] <shaia> kestas_, well dont blame me im just following advise on forums..
[06:14] <kestas_> look into why gnome is crashing
[06:14] <kestas_> gnome can crash for any number of reasons
[06:14] <tahorg> kent: I don't have such a link, but I often use evolution and pgp, so if you have a particular question ...
[06:14] <kestas_> nautilus crashes on me occasionaly
[06:14] <tahorg> gpg !@$@#
[06:14] <modelia> what kernel is better to use if im using amd64, x86_64 or k8 ?
[06:15] <shaia> kestas_, it seamed logical , with rational that maybe the nvidia-glx package maybe does something unique that the sources doesn't...its not my fault the forums aren't maybe followed more closely by devs to catch such false posts then...im just following what seems to be fair logic to FIX what seems no one has a clue what is wrong in first place
[06:15] <Mr_T> anyone got irda working in ubuntu?
[06:15] <yaaar> hey guys....i don't want to sound pushy here, but my situation is that i switched my roommate to ubuntu from windows, and he's nagging me to go back over this file manager issue. that's the only problem we have on the machine, and i'm not at all willing to go through a PITA windows installation. so can somebody, anybody, give me a pointer or two on why this thing takes 2-3 minutes to open folders, and what i can do about it?
[06:15] <shaia> kestas_, well but does it bring down entire desktop with it..it was doing that with me..as are other apps sometimes...its messsy
[06:16] <kestas_> shaia: and is it rock solid with other drivers?
[06:16] <shaia> kestas_, other drivers ?
[06:16] <tahorg> yaaar: 2-3 minutes to open a folder ?!
[06:16] <usynic> yaaar: in nautilus?  I had that happen to me once... I can't remember what I did to fix it
[06:16] <jnc> z'oh
[06:16] <yaaar> tahorg: i've only said that aobut a dozen times this morning
[06:16] <kestas_> shaia: yes, when you use Driver "nv" does it work okay and stay working?
[06:16] <kent> tahorg, well, I used seahorse to create gpg-key (i think), I was wondering what to do to get evolution to use it. Is it enough to put the key-id in the field in evolution settings about pgp/gpg?
[06:16] <jnc> breezy went cracked on me... hehe
[06:16] <kestas_> shaia: is it a noticable difference in stability when you dont use nvidia drivers?
[06:16] <jnc> must be a large X update in progress
[06:16] <kestas_> shaia: are you sure youre even using nvidia drivers?
[06:16] <usynic> yaaar: it was something simple... like some file in my home directory was causing it, and deleting it fixed it.
[06:17] <kestas_> shaia: have you ran anything 3D?
[06:17] <lotusleaf> if one file fails to download which is a dependency in a synaptic download of kdebase, should I just abort and try again or will everything install ok and I'll just need to reinstall the failed file? I'm on 56k so I don't want to continue if one failed file will mess up the whole d/l
[06:17] <shaia> kestas_, I have not tried it with 'nv' for very long because I need 3d drivers due to being a game developer
[06:17] <tahorg> yaaar: good luck to solve it then ...
[06:17] <yaaar> usynic: this is pretty much a brand new install, and has been doing this the whole time
[06:17] <yaaar> right
[06:17] <jnc> lotusleaf: the downloaded files are cached
[06:17] <kestas_> shaia: well perhaps you should try using nv to see if its stable when using nv
[06:17] <jnc> lotusleaf: you can retry later and it will pick up where ya left off
[06:17] <lotusleaf> jnc, k thx ;)
[06:17] <kestas_> shaia: thats the logical thing to do, not recompiling your graphics drivers because your desktop is crashing
[06:18] <kestas_> shaia: thatll get you nowhere
[06:18] <usynic> yaaar: I'd create another user and see if it happens there too
[06:18] <McScruff> lo
[06:18] <lotusleaf> jnc, thx ;-)
[06:18] <shaia> kestas_, i'd be willing to if it weren't for fact I need nvidia driver so badly ..its like asking a mechanic to go without his wrench
[06:18] <shaia> kestas_, no can do
[06:18] <McScruff> why is the new ubuntu not worth usin?
[06:18] <tahorg> kent: if it appears in a gpg --list-keys
[06:18] <kynes> how can I install a library file?
[06:18] <tahorg> kent: evolution will be able to use it
[06:18] <kestas_> shaia: just try it, try without nvidia drivers, use it without nvidia drivers FOR A DAY and see if it stops crashing
[06:18] <shaia> McScruff, who says that ?LOL
[06:18] <jnc> McScruff: ?
[06:18] <kynes> xxx.a
[06:18] <kestas_> shaia: if it stops crashing then youre right; its a problem with the driver
[06:19] <McScruff>  | PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY |
[06:19] <McScruff> in topic
[06:19] <kestas_> shaia: if it doesnt stop crashing then its not a driver problem
[06:19] <yaaar> McScruff: oh....by "the new ubuntu" we usually mean hoary
[06:19] <jnc> McScruff: haha...  well for one, X is currently foobar
[06:19] <kestas_> shaia: its a simple troubleshooting test
[06:19] <tahorg> McScruff: too late
[06:19] <tahorg> McScruff: :)
[06:19] <McScruff> :)
[06:19] <shaia> kestas_, well as I say I can't be without them that long..I do alot of developing so its just not possible..and besides I dont' believe in just one day id possibly see this situation arise..its too random
[06:19] <kent> tahorg, what dis the difference between public and subkeys?
[06:19] <tahorg> McScruff: I like to live dangerousely
[06:19] <McScruff> anyway, do you know any thing i can add to sources for more deb packages
[06:20] <shaia> kestas_, I could consider it on a laptop that was not my main .dev system ..if I had one ;-)
[06:20] <kestas_> shaia: give me a break
[06:20] <galaktaka> Hi all.  I'm hoping ot find some help on the powerpc ubuntu. I installed the system but I'm looking to make a bootloader floppy. Because I didn't install one on a partition on the hd.  Would someone be able to help me figure out how to make that?
[06:20] <tahorg> kent: the public part is ... well public
[06:20] <jnc> McScruff: some things are fixed in breezy w/re amd64 platform, like openoffice printing works again.  it breaks in major ways though.  i'm regretting that i decided to go with breezy in development state, as i need my computer to function for work
[06:20] <kestas_> shaia: if your computer is crashing then youre going to have to do some troubleshooting
[06:20] <jnc> right now it is not functioning
[06:20] <jnc> ;)
[06:20] <shaia> kestas_, if you were a developer you might understand..so dont pre judge me without being one
[06:20] <tahorg> kent: it's used by other to encrypt mail for you
[06:20] <kestas_> shaia: if you had more than two bra--
[06:20] <kestas_> forget it
[06:20] <tahorg> kent: the private part is used by you to decrypt the result
[06:20] <kent> tahorg, whats the use for sub keys? (i think i understand the use of public keys)
[06:21] <kent> tahorg, oh, thanks!
[06:21] <Adyeths> I had problems for a few days with the nvidia drivers causing my computer to freeze up.
[06:21] <jnc> shaia: developers, developers developers developers
[06:21] <lotusleaf> So within ubuntu, all I need to download via synaptic is kdebase files and not kubuntu-whatever to be able to login to kde?
[06:21] <tahorg> kent: the private is used to signed a mail. You can ath this signature with the public part
[06:21] <shaia> kestas_, no i'd sooner switch distros as I dont have time for games of this  nature...I really dont sorry ( other distros dont crash like this but I prefer ubuntu)..but asking me to 'play' around with no 3d abiliites for how long ? is rather nonsense for what I need to be doing..talk about 'wasting' my time
[06:21] <yaaar> so, by the reactions i got last time, i'm taking it that this file manager behavior (2-3 minutes to open folders) is abnormal.....nobody has an idea of what's causing it?
[06:22] <ubuntu> linux rullz :)
[06:22] <shaia> jnc, you have a point there or you just like to see yourself use  certain words ?
[06:22] <jnc> shaia: i love this company
[06:22] <Adyeths> I tried setting it to use agpart, and then the nvidia agp, but both had the same effect. when I told it not to use either one it fixed the problem.
[06:22] <McScruff> anyone know any places i can add to my apt-get list so i can get things like kvirc?
[06:22] <jnc> yeaaah
[06:22] <lotusleaf> shaia, yes, let's talk about it ;)
[06:22] <Riddell> lotusleaf: kde-core probably best
[06:22] <shaia> lotusleaf, about ?
[06:22] <lotusleaf> Seveas, wb
[06:22] <lotusleaf> Riddell, thx ;-)
[06:22] <lotusleaf> shaia, what?
[06:22] <lotusleaf> :P
[06:23] <shaia> lotusleaf shaia, yes, let's talk about it ;)
[06:23] <lotusleaf> shaia, I know, you said "talk about 'wasting' my time"
[06:23] <Seveas> ty
[06:23] <jnc> hey you two
[06:23] <jnc> get a room, eh?  =)
[06:23] <lotusleaf> jnc, a room with a view?
[06:23] <jnc> indeed!
[06:24] <jnc> and how
[06:24] <lotusleaf> jnc, a view with a room?
[06:24] <jnc> so aye, erm..  anyone subscribed to breezy-changes ML?
[06:24] <shaia> lotusleaf, oh dear
[06:24] <lotusleaf> shaia, a female deer?
[06:24] <Seveas> jnc, i am
[06:25] <jnc> Seveas: mind clueing me into what is going on?   X11 updates or something
[06:25] <Seveas> jnc, do you even read ubuntu-devel at all?
[06:25] <jnc> Seveas: no :(
[06:26] <Seveas> C++ transition which is discussed daily in the chat and hes been discussed a lot in the mailinglists
[06:26] <Seveas> the main reason for breezy's instability
[06:26] <jnc> Seveas: i haven't had a very warm reception on IRC, so i kind of keep my nose out of it
[06:26] <Tallia1> hi guys....... i need some basic help on mounting a usb2 memory key.. someone could help me ?! tnx andrea
[06:26] <jnc> ah
[06:26] <Seveas> jnc and there has been a major X11 transition too indeed
[06:26] <shaia> lotusleaf, me, a name I call myself
[06:26] <lotusleaf> shaia, lol
[06:27] <jnc> Seveas: got it. thanks mate
[06:27] <Tallia1> ?
[06:27] <jnc> Seveas: breezy on amd64 is coming along nicely
[06:27] <npiv> Seveas - I got java and azureus set up, just a quick question, Ill set up a link in a bin folder - where should I put the aureus folder for good system practice ?
[06:29] <jnc> only a few things missing... like a gnome2 hylafax client, cd recording support for making music audio cds (depends probably on rhythmbox development)
[06:29] <jnc> the OOo printing works again which is just fantastic
[06:30] <dbasetrinity> hello i have a question what if you follow the ubuntu book to install java plug in and it still dont work what do you do????? lol lol lol
[06:30] <jnc> say um, i tried to start an application on HostDebian.localnet and have it display on HostUbuntu.localnet/unix:0,  but nothing would display
[06:30] <jnc> i had the xauth key merged as usual
[06:30] <jnc> is there something i missed?
[06:31] <rj`> something weird anyone use evolution?
[06:31] <jnc> it started up like it was attached to X, stdout output was normal, but nothing showed up on HostUbuntu box
[06:31] <rj`> my new messages that come in are no longer bold black
[06:31] <jnc> rj`: often
[06:32] <rj`> they look like the rest of my messsage and its hard to sort through them..
[06:32] <rj`> any ideas on how to reenable making the text bold for new messages
[06:32] <jnc> rj`: might be a date problem, or possibly your mail provider
[06:32] <rj`> jnc: no they have the new icon
[06:32] <jnc> ohh
[06:32] <jnc> crazy
[06:32] <rj`> jnc: just the whole message subject
[06:32] <rj`> ya
[06:32] <jnc> which release of Ubuntu Linux?
[06:32] <rj`> 5.0.4
[06:32] <jnc> what is that, Hoary?
[06:33] <rj`> ya
[06:33] <jnc> i've heard of evolution getting screwed up in its config files
[06:33] <jnc> don't know what to tell ya, there chief
[06:33] <rj`> how do i delete its conf files .. deleter ~/.evolution dosnt seem to do it
[06:33] <rj`> does it use gconf -- i dont know how to delete it there
[06:33] <morris> right im off
[06:33] <jnc> it stores a bunch of junk in ~/.gnome  or ~/.gnome2 i think
[06:33] <morris> thanks again guys
[06:34] <jnc> careful though
[06:34] <jnc> back things up before you go rmfr crazy
[06:34] <morris[away] > is it acceptable to idle?
[06:34] <rj`> lol
[06:34] <usynic> you can put dns servers in /etc/network/interfaces, right?  I don't see it in the manpage
[06:34] <jnc> usynic: 'man interfaces'
[06:34] <jnc> :)
[06:34] <usynic> jnc: yeah, it's not in there...
[06:34] <jnc> usynic: ohhhh
[06:34] <rj`>  I don't see it in the manpage
[06:34] <rj`> ^
[06:34] <usynic> but it seems like I've seen it before.
[06:35] <jnc> dns servers go in /etc/resolv.conf
[06:35] <usynic> jnc: for some reason they are getting wiped out on reboot
[06:35] <jnc> yep
[06:35] <jnc> that's the dhcp client running
[06:35] <lotusleaf> 'man driva' and the goatse appeared
[06:35] <jnc> i don't know what extra config file ubuntu pulls from
[06:35] <jnc> you can access it from the GUI though
[06:36] <jnc> configure your network device, and you can set manual entries for dns
[06:38] <xiaogil> i have connected my tv on my computer via S-Video, how can i have the image of my computer on my tv now ?
[06:38] <usynic> yeah, they are set in the gui... but it's reading from resolv.conf
[06:38] <usynic> so when I reboot.... they are gone.
[06:39] <martinhj> xiaogil: depends on your video card
[06:40] <xiaogil> martinhj: it's an ATI 9600
[06:40] <xiaogil> radeon mobility
[06:41] <lotusleaf> IMO: I've found the best solution to ATI card problems is to remove it from the system, have a friend grab one end and you grab the other, and each of you pull in either direction and whomever gets the biggest piece gets to make a wish
[06:41] <CarlK> Open Office - how can I keep it from making links out of my URL's?
[06:42] <martinhj> xiaogil: I think it's possible to get the TV-out working, but you need some drivers to handle it (don't think the x.org ones does)..
[06:42] <martinhj> my best advice is to try google.com
[06:42] <v0m1t> how do I install python-apsw on hoary?
[06:43] <v0m1t> its not in the repos.
[06:43] <misieq> hi!
[06:43] <xiaogil> martinhj: okay thanks (my ubuntu is under xorg unfortunately)
[06:45] <michel>  I seek to manage my sessions, can you help me?
[06:45] <gangalee> on Hoary- mplayer vs. xine vs. totem for viewing videos?
[06:45] <jeroen_> system -> preferences -> sessions
[06:45] <misieq> i have some app on windows (phone manager) which uses bluetooth through com. how can i link com (tty?) to bluetooth device?
[06:46] <abelli> hi there
[06:46] <jeroen_> abelli, hi! :)
[06:46] <martinhj> xiaogil: could be the drivers are in the apt (try apt-cache search radeon or apt-cache search ati) (try to find something about this on ubuntuforums or the ubuntu wiki)
[06:46] <abelli> i've got a problem with the temporary partition ..
[06:47] <{Seb}> hey all
[06:47] <michel>  but I want to see who connect and have what time, to make a newspaper
[06:47] <{Seb}> is there a breezy development channel?
[06:47] <michel> soory i don't speak english vry well
[06:47] <{Seb}> i've found a bug in a breezy package
[06:47] <abelli> i've got some problems with the temporary partition ..
[06:47] <Amaranth> {Seb}: If it's in main file a bug report in bugzilla; if it's in universe file a bug report in malone.
[06:48] <{Seb}> malone?
[06:48] <michel>  does nobody speak French by chance?
[06:48] <jeroen_> michel, try /join #ubuntu-fr
[06:48] <petroleum> michel salut :D
[06:49] <Amaranth> {Seb}: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lech_Johansen
[06:49] <Amaranth> err, wrong
[06:49] <Amaranth> damn clipboard
[06:49] <abelli> [said that i dont have a separate /tmp]  sometimes when i unzip archives, really big ones .. it runs out of space, even if swap remains untouched, and hangs the extraction.
[06:49] <abelli> what can i do?
[06:49] <Amaranth> damn firefox, copy
[06:49] <michel> salut
[06:49] <michel> salut
[06:49] <{Seb}> Amaranth: just that the new Tomboy 0.3.2 package requires upon dbus-1 and breezy uses dbus not dbus-1
[06:50] <{Seb}> Amaranth: apart from that, breezy has been smooth riding
[06:50] <Amaranth> {Seb}: known issue, won't be fixed for a couple weeks, at least
[06:50] <yaaar> can anybody explain why my file manager takes 2-3 minutes to open folders?
[06:50] <{Seb}> Amarnath: will it work with a --force ?
[06:50] <abelli> i even tried to mount an external tmp .. but then when it comes to create a temporary file it says write not permitted ..
[06:50] <Amaranth> {Seb}: Do _NOT_ upgrade anymore, unless you like pain and broken things.
[06:50] <abelli> i dont really know how it works.
[06:51] <{Seb}> just i need mono 1.1.7 and firefox 1.0.4 and the backports is soo low
[06:51] <Amaranth> {Seb}: No, the dbus API has completely changed, libdbus-cil needs to be changed to match it then tomboy needs to be changed to match the libdbus-cil API.
[06:51] <{Seb}> i can install tomboy 0.3.2 on hoary
[06:51] <Amaranth> {Seb}: C++ transition in happening in breezy, random broken C++ things
[06:51] <{Seb}> just backports takes hours for mono 1.1.7
[06:52] <{Seb}> i'll stick to hoary
[06:52] <Amaranth> {Seb}: obviously, hoary doesn't have the new dbus
[06:52] <{Seb}> and just wait for mono 11.7 to come through....
[06:52] <{Seb}> yeh, but i've tried it and it works
[06:52] <Amaranth> {Seb}: obviously, hoary doesn't have the new dbus
[06:52] <{Seb}> and fixes the blodding annoying open-note bug
[06:53] <omniscient> hey my sound seems to work fine, as ubuntu sounds all play fine (startup sounds etc), but when i try to play an mp3 it never works.. xmms goes as far as crashing
[06:53] <omniscient> anyone had similar problems and knows a solution?
[06:54] <yaaar> omniscient: get into xmms' preferences, and change the output pluging
[06:54] <yaaar> omniscient: it's probably on oss, for me esound or whatever was the right answer
[06:55] <yaaar> omniscient: i don't 100% recall the name of the enlightenment sound deally, but i think it was that one
[06:55] <Seveas> omniscient, change the xmms output plugin to esd or esounf=d
[06:55] <Shufla> ehlo :D
[06:55] <{Seb}> yey!
[06:55] <{Seb}> ubuntubackports has a mirrow
[06:55] <Seveas> omniscient, and try beep-media-player, it's xmms but nicer
[06:56] <omniscient> ok esound works thanks guys
[06:57] <omniscient> im gonna look at that beep thingo Seveas  :)
[06:57] <antennae> hi!
[06:59] <antennae> anyone here could help me; where to install packages that isn't apt? is there a system folder for this?
[06:59] <pinPoint> need help
[06:59] <chocoIate> how do you login as root user :o
[06:59] <pinPoint> i just made a ln -s file /location
[07:00] <pinPoint> chocoIate, use sudo
[07:00] <pinPoint> anyone know why a sym link is red and not cyan like the rest of them
[07:01] <{Seb}> pinPoint: red means it is broken
[07:01] <pinPoint> really?
[07:01] <{Seb}> i think so
[07:01] <pinPoint> broken?
[07:01] <{Seb}> yes it is
[07:01] <{Seb}> is it red with a black background or black with a red background or neither?
[07:02] <knoppix> how do i delete files in rescue mode?
[07:02] <Shufla> funny
[07:02] <chocoIate> yes but i want to login to ubuntu as root user
[07:02] <chocoIate> how do i do that :S
[07:02] <pinPoint> chocoIate, use SUDO
[07:03] <pinPoint> or do a su
[07:03] <Shufla> arggh
[07:03] <{Seb}> yeh
[07:03] <{Seb}> you can sudo -s
[07:03] <{Seb}> and that makes it root
[07:03] <pinPoint> and type your password
[07:03] <pinPoint> for regular original user
[07:03] <chocoIate> in the startup screen, i do not want to login as normal user but root user
[07:03] <Shufla> chocoIate: do sudo -s -H. _never_ set up root password.
[07:03] <pinPoint> then use passwd to change su pas
[07:03] <Shufla> chocoIate: that's dangerous and not necessary
[07:03] <Seveas> {Seb}, please use sudo -i instead of sudo -s
[07:04] <chocoIate> well, i was trying to copy and paste some files into my external hard drive, all in GUI and it said i do not have the necessary permissions
[07:04] <Seveas> it causes sudo to create a login shell
[07:04] <{Seb}> Seveas: what is the difference?
[07:04] <knoppix> pleast how do i delete files in rescue mode
[07:04] <jeroen_> knoppix, is it necessary to delete them?
[07:05] <lotusleaf> Shufla, why not set up root password?
[07:05] <Shufla> lotusleaf: why set up root password?
[07:05] <knoppix> i have to change the name from xorg.conf.bak to xorg.conf but there is already one with that name jeroen_
[07:05] <omniscient> hey guys xmms works fine but now ubuntu sounds dont haha :\
[07:05] <lotusleaf> Shufla, why not set up root password?
[07:05] <omniscient> they just crackle and sound all weird
[07:06] <jeroen_> knoppix, rename xorg.conf to blabla, rename xorg.conf.bak to xorg.conf
[07:06] <jeroen_> problem solved
[07:06] <{Seb}> btw, last time i tried to install a 2.6.11 kernel, gnome locked after logging in
[07:06] <Shufla> lotusleaf: beacuse is not used. now answer my question.
[07:06] <{Seb}> is this problem solved yet?
[07:06] <lotusleaf> Shufla, is not used?
[07:06] <chocoIate> so nobody knows how i can login as root user :S
[07:06] <lotusleaf> Shufla, why have a passwordless root account?
[07:06] <knoppix> thx jeroen_ u saved my ass
[07:06] <Shufla> lotusleaf: it's nor passwordless. it's locked.
[07:06] <{Seb}> chocoIate: you can just it isn't a good idea
[07:06] <chocoIate> my modem is still not working so i do not really have such a big threat as you might think :P
[07:06] <{Seb}> chocoIate: iirc, you can adjust the login screen properties to allow root login
[07:07] <lotusleaf> Shufla, ah
[07:07] <chocoIate> and what is my root password :o
[07:07] <lotusleaf> Shufla, what's the danger in enabling a root password?
[07:07] <{Seb}> it is empty
[07:07] <abarbaccia> hey all - where do i go to set the default program to open certain file types
[07:07] <pinPoint> chocoIate, by default its empty
[07:07] <chocoIate> the same one i put when i use sudo in the terminal :o
[07:07] <{Seb}> you need to set it
[07:07] <{Seb}> sudo  passwd root
[07:07] <{Seb}> will set it
[07:07] <Shufla> lotusleaf: one moment...
[07:07] <jeroen_> chocoIate, http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/root
[07:07] <pinPoint> chocoIate, its the same as original user
[07:07] <pinPoint> but when you su you can issue passwd
[07:07] <pinPoint> to change it
[07:07] <yellc> whats a good refresh rate for xorg?
[07:08] <pinPoint> can anyone help me with links
[07:08] <Shufla> lotusleaf: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:08] <pinPoint> im using ln -s file location
[07:08] <Shufla> yellc: good for your monitor.
[07:08] <pinPoint> its red
[07:08] <yellc> yeah its a sony multiscan 210est
[07:08] <{Seb}> pinPoint: it broken!
[07:09] <Shufla> yellc: read specification.
[07:09] <yellc> I swear it loks better @85hz in xp
[07:09] <yellc> just thinking anymore xorg config I've missed
[07:09] <{Seb}> has anyone got a 2.6.11 kernel workign?
[07:09] <lotusleaf> Shufla, in your opinion how is it dangerous?
[07:09] <Fab4am> hello
[07:10] <crimsun_> {Seb}: you should avoid 2.6.11 in universe
[07:10] <Shufla> lotusleaf: my english skills aren't good enough to explain it.
[07:10] <{Seb}> what's wrong with it?
[07:10] <Shufla> lotusleaf: 1. i'm analyzing with my geeky friends the problem sudo or su.
[07:10] <crimsun_> {Seb}: it's not supported
[07:10] <{Seb}> i guessed so
[07:10] <lotusleaf> Shufla, I see...
[07:10] <{Seb}> just my laptop has a buggy bios
[07:11] <{Seb}> and according to some kernel devs, the problems are fixed in 2.6.1
[07:11] <klaas> hi all
[07:11] <{Seb}> 1
[07:11] <Fab4am> do someone know how to add a link in the "application" menu with hoary?
[07:11] <Shufla> lotusleaf: 2. with ubuntu, if it's provided without root password, i won't setup root password (not needed, i want to be "supported", so if i'm supporting someone -- look at docs, all with sudo)
[07:11] <crimsun_> {Seb}: then you'll have to boot it with noinotify
[07:11] <testman> Are CGI:IRC clients not allowed to join channels on the freenode network or something?
[07:11] <jeroen_> Fab4am, you need a special app for that like menu-editor or smeg
[07:11] <{Seb}> Fab4am: use the smeg
[07:11] <pinPoint> {Seb}, how do you make a good one
[07:11] <{Seb}> pinPoint: ln -s /my/original/directory /my/destination/directory
[07:12] <Shufla> lotusleaf: 3. one less password to remeber, you are able to twaek /etc/sudoers to raise security level. one password less - so one can be better.
[07:12] <Fab4am> why is it so complicated? with warty it was so simple!
[07:12] <{Seb}> wey wey wey
[07:12] <teknoprep> Seveas, yoyo
[07:12] <teknoprep> Seveas, you get it
[07:12] <pinPoint> {Seb}, i think thats how im doing it
[07:12] <{Seb}> the new backports mirror works at full speed!!!!!!!!!
[07:12] <chocoIate> thanks everybody brb
[07:12] <{Seb}> bye
[07:12] <pinPoint> np
[07:12] <{Seb}> btw, should i use smeg from backports
[07:13] <{Seb}> or from the link on ubuntuguide?
[07:13] <jeroen_> Fab4am, new gnome version
[07:13] <jeroen_> {Seb}, matters not (I think..)
[07:13] <Shufla> lotusleaf: enough? :D
[07:13] <Funraiser> Fab4am, type sudo gedit /usr/share/applications/your app.desktop
[07:13] <pinPoint> {Seb}, i have to use full directory locations for it to work. :) thx for showing me
[07:13] <againstme> anyone try ubuntu on apple g5?
[07:13] <Shufla> lotusleaf: right now most important for me is that supporting is eaiser with similar systems.
[07:14] <pinPoint> againstme, on g5???
[07:14] <pinPoint> if i had a g5 id be doing video editing
[07:14] <againstme> yes. a g5
[07:14] <{Seb}> pintPoint: glad i can help :-)
[07:14] <lotusleaf> Shufla, yes thanks ;)
[07:14] <pinPoint> i run ubuntu on my lappy :)
[07:14] <ivoks> backporting? lol
[07:14] <Fab4am> jeroen_ and {Seb} : thanks for your answer, that's ok :)
[07:14] <ivoks> heh, oh, how much disapointed faces we will see :)
[07:14] <againstme> i have a g5 and i want to know if ubuntu has fan support
[07:15] <jeroen_> ivoks, why?
[07:15] <againstme> so is that a no? no one knows if unbuntu has fan support for g5 machines?
[07:15] <ivoks> jeroen_: couse some aps will fall apart
[07:16] <ivoks> cause even
[07:16] <LordGrunt> i have a quite big problem. can't load linux. loading stops when i choose image from lilo, then image gets loaded and after all dots appear, it stops.
[07:16] <aeolist> lilo?
[07:16] <LordGrunt> as i said
[07:16] <katzor> ieek...
[07:16] <LordGrunt> yes
[07:16] <aeolist> why?
[07:17] <LordGrunt> why what
[07:17] <teknoprep> Seveas, you here
[07:17] <Shufla> LordGrunt: what did you do before restart?
[07:18] <LordGrunt> not sure, but probably nothing special. that was few days ago, dont remember now
[07:19] <Vixus> is there a wx-glade dist for ubuntu?
[07:20] <testman> Are CGI:IRC clients not allowed to join channels on the freenode network or something?
[07:21] <queuetue> I have crossed over to the dark side. $DEITY help me, I just ordered a powerbook...
[07:22] <jeroen_> queuetue, powerbooks run ubuntu, don't they?
[07:22] <tahorg> queuetue: ubuntu runs smoothly on pwb
[07:22] <tahorg> jeroen_: :)
[07:22] <Shufla> I want pbook too!
[07:23] <jeroen_> tahorg, :)
[07:23] <Shufla> huh
[07:23] <Shufla> tahorg, jeroen_: i thought you are both ppcs :D
[07:24] <queuetue> Ahh, good to know!
[07:25] <yahalom> can i install ubuntu on my machine and then take the hard drive and put it on another or will i have kernel issues?
[07:26] <Shufla> yahalom: huh. do not use other kernel than -686
[07:26] <thenuke> yahalom: it should work ok
[07:26] <LordGrunt> if devices will match, why not
[07:26] <queuetue> yahalom, If you use a generic kernel and both machines are x86, you should be ok.
[07:26] <thenuke> yahalom: or perhaps other than 386 kernel rather than that 686 :)
[07:26] <thenuke> depening on the cpus of the other pc's of course
[07:27] <yahalom> well this one is an amd and the other a celeron
[07:27] <yahalom> so i should use 386?
[07:27] <yahalom> or 686 is also ok?
[07:27] <KongenBX> How do i avoid X to automatic start when i start my computer?
[07:27] <teknoprep> Seveas, you there
[07:27] <Shufla> yahalom: -686. it's supported by athlons and cels
[07:27] <lapo> yahalom, you could have to reconfigure x
[07:27] <PhantomFreak> How do I install BSD support for cups?
[07:27] <HappyFool> KongenBX: i would guess disabling gdm is enough
[07:27] <yahalom> so when i do the server install, is there anyway to stop it from trying to connect to the internet, cos it always sticks
[07:27] <Shufla> PhantomFreak: apt-cache search cups bsd
[07:28] <queuetue> yaaar, 686 support everything ffrom pentium pro up.
[07:28] <thenuke> yahalom: oh yeah, like lapo said, if you have different display adapters, you most propably need to reconfigure x
[07:28] <queuetue> yahalom, That was to you.
[07:28] <yahalom> actually even with the normal install
[07:28] <HappyFool> KongenBX: 'sudo chmod a-x /etc/init.d/gdm'
[07:28] <katzor> KogenBX : just remove the gdm initscripts from /etc/rc234...
[07:28] <queuetue> yaaar, Resume sleep. :)
[07:28] <gangalee> can you turn an mpg file into a DVD?
[07:28] <gangalee> rather how do you do it
[07:28] <yaaar> queuetue: huh?
[07:28] <yahalom> queuetue, thanx
[07:28] <queuetue> yaaar, accidentally messages you, but did not mean to. :)
[07:28] <yahalom> how would i reconfigure?
[07:28] <yaaar> k
[07:29] <queuetue> yahalom, copy /etc/X11/xorg.conf to someplace safe and run X --configure. then copy resultant file to /etc/X11/xorg.xonf
[07:30] <queuetue> yahalom, Flip between two files as you need to.
[07:30] <carlos_> hello!
[07:30] <yahalom> ah ok
[07:30] <queuetue> yahalom, Ther eis probably some ubuntu-friendly way of doing the same thing. :)
[07:30] <yahalom> queuetue, i use adsl so i need to setup my pppoe in x, yet install insists on checking the network repos and it sticks forever i dont know how to get past it
[07:31] <queuetue> yahalom, It shjould not wait forever, but if you need to, enter the hostname into /etc/hosts as 127.0.0.1
[07:31] <queuetue> yahalom, it will timeout right away then.
[07:32] <yahalom> queuetue, so when it asks me for a host name type 127.0.0.1?
[07:32] <queuetue> yahalom, it asks for a host name?  When?
[07:32] <yahalom> during ubuntu install
[07:33] <queuetue> yahalom, technically, yes, that should work.
[07:33] <yahalom> (i'm talking about during the install process)
[07:33] <queuetue> yahalom, untested.
[07:33] <HappyFool> i think a hostname probably needs to be a name, not an address
[07:33] <jeroen_> HappyFool is correct
[07:33] <HappyFool> try 'ubuntu' or 'yahalomsbox' or something
[07:33] <yahalom> queuetue, well what did u mean? how can i edit /etc/hosts before i have ubunt installed?
[07:34] <Funraiser> i have a question: it's not for me , i'm helping someone but he doesn't speak english: right after GDM a brown screen appears...and nothing else...what could be the problem?
[07:34] <yahalom> HappyFool, i like yahalomsbox. ;)
[07:34] <HappyFool> ;)
[07:34] <npiv> can someone recommend a linux directconnect client for me, I used DC++ in windows and was very statisfied ?
[07:34] <tahorg> upgrade 73MB on breezy
[07:34] <Funraiser> i could translate if somebody would help out
[07:34] <tahorg> -t
[07:35] <usynic> Funraiser: esd - it could be a sound problem.
[07:35] <tahorg> Let's break it !
[07:35] <lapo> Funraiser, sound
[07:35] <Funraiser> ok, so what could he do?
[07:35] <wheatie> Hello. what is the "rpm -qa"  equivalent for ubuntu using apt-get or dpkg?
[07:36] <lapo> wheatie, dpkg -l
[07:36] <wheatie> thank you
[07:36] <katzor> im using enlightenment and all gtk apps look ugly because the theme doesnt get loaded. does anyone know how to load it without running gnome-theme-manager?
[07:36] <queuetue> yahalom, I thought you had already installed.
[07:36] <usynic> Funraiser: comment line 360 in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf
[07:36] <LordGrunt> i have a quite big problem. can't load linux. loading stops when i choose image from lilo, then image gets loaded and after all dots appear, it stops. (sry for repeat...)
[07:37] <jeroen_> LordGrunt, also in safe mode?
[07:37] <Funraiser> usynic, but how could he access that?
[07:37] <LordGrunt> what safe mode?
[07:37] <lapo> Funraiser, ctrl+alt+f1
[07:37] <yahalom> queuetue, no. i'
[07:37] <yahalom> queuetue, no. i''m talking about during install
[07:37] <jeroen_> LordGrunt, don't you get multiple choices for ubuntu in lilo?
[07:37] <LordGrunt> yes, but no safe mode there
[07:37] <blueyed> I've created a patched .deb file of the ssh package (from source) and installed using "dpkg -i". Unfortunately "apt-get upgrade" wants to upgrade to the current version again (the source and binary have the same revision afaics). Why?
[07:38] <yahalom> queuetue, u know how ubuntu want to download updates?
[07:38] <yahalom> queuetue, so it gets stuck there.
[07:38] <HappyFool> why does installing libvtk4-dev want to remove x-window-system-core and nvidia-glx? seems a little ... aah. counter-productive ;)
[07:38] <Funraiser> lapo, usynic, ok he did ctrl alt f1 now what
[07:38] <Funraiser> how to access  /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf
[07:39] <lapo> Funraiser, sudo vi /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf
[07:39] <queuetue> yahalom, You may just have to wait for the timeout - it has to time out eventually.
[07:39] <lapo> Funraiser, then :359
[07:39] <yahalom> queuetue, ok :) hey is installing ubuntu and then removing gnome and installing xfce a good way to get ubuntu to work for a celeron 500 mhz?
[07:39] <johnnyb> At the end of the install, it's asking me which kernel I want.
[07:40] <johnnyb> The choices are:
[07:40] <yahalom> queuetue, i dont know how else to do it
[07:40] <johnnyb> linux-386
[07:40] <johnnyb> linux-image-386
[07:40] <johnnyb> and linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[07:40] <neighborlee> what file(s) do I edit so that my system umounts without need of using : desktop > icon> right click > eject ? ;-)
[07:40] <johnnyb> Are the first two 2.4 kernels?  What's the difference?
[07:40] <lapo> Funraiser, then :s/true/false/
[07:40] <HappyFool> johnnyb: i'd choose linux-386
[07:40] <Funraiser> lapo, ok he's doing it, (first time user)
[07:40] <usynic> Funraiser: if it's hardlocked, you can try disabling the soundcard in the bios (if it's onboard), or you can pass "single" to the kernel via grub.
[07:40] <johnnyb> HappyFool: is it a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel?
[07:40] <lapo> Funraiser, then :wq
[07:40] <teknoprep> Seveas, yoyo
[07:41] <HappyFool> johnnyb: no, linux-386 depends on linux-image-386 (and a restricted-modules package); linux-image-386 depends on linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 (currently)
[07:41] <lapo> Funraiser, *EXACTLY* how I told you
[07:41] <lapo> Funraiser, *EXACTLY* like I told you
[07:41] <LordGrunt> jeroen_: in lilo choises i have 2 kernels(current and old) memtest and win98
[07:41] <HappyFool> johnnyb: linux-image-386 will always depend on the latest appropriate kernel image available
[07:41] <Funraiser> lapo, ok i'll try he 's doing it
[07:42] <lapo> Funraiser, after that sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:42] <Funraiser> lapo, k
[07:42] <LordGrunt> ok, so how do i run linux in safe mode? whats the command at the boot prompt?
[07:43] <lapo> LordGrunt, hit tab at the lilo prompt
[07:43] <LordGrunt> that does what?
[07:43] <lapo> LordGrunt, see what the entries are
[07:43] <cyphase> hey everyone
[07:43] <teknoprep> i thought it was esc
[07:44] <teknoprep> doesn't ubuntu use GRUB
[07:44] <cyphase> teknoprep, yes
[07:44] <KongenBX> How do i config ubuntu to start windowmaker when i type "startx"?
[07:44] <LordGrunt> lapo, but i see entnries already, they are displayed above prompt
[07:45] <LordGrunt> and these are the 4 i described
[07:45] <tarvid> need some help getting web going
[07:45] <LordGrunt> KongenBX: type kdm, or gdm
[07:45] <tarvid> installed 1.180 and only the webmin tab is displayed (no server tab)
[07:45] <lapo> LordGrunt, graphic mode....one moment I'll read you
[07:45] <LordGrunt> non-graphic
[07:47] <KongenBX> LordGrunt: tanks
[07:47] <kanicheLIVECD> Weeee finally my live CD is downloaded >D
[07:47] <lapo> LordGrunt, why are you using lilo?
[07:47] <LordGrunt> cause it has easier menu config :)
[07:47] <LordGrunt> has/have
[07:47] <lapo> LordGrunt, btw, if the entry is "current" you should try "current safe"
[07:48] <Funraiser> lapo, there is "Enter" between all that typing?
[07:48] <LordGrunt> ok, thank you
[07:48] <lapo> Funraiser, yes
[07:49] <lapo> Funraiser, if he did things correctly he should have changed line 359 from SoundOnLogin=true to SoundOnLogin=false
[07:50] <yaaar> does anyone know why my file manager takes 2-3 minutes to open folders, or what i can do to speed it up>?
[07:50] <lapo> Funraiser, if it's not so, do not type ":wq" but ":q!" and try all again
[07:51] <Funraiser> lapo, k
[07:51] <teknoprep> whats up with only being able to use one sound device at a time
[07:51] <teknoprep> i thought dmix would have been setup correctly by default
[07:52] <guupsta> what would be a good firewall software for a newb?
[07:52] <teknoprep> iptables
[07:52] <teknoprep> with webmin
[07:52] <airox> or firestarter
[07:52] <IcemanV9> guupsta: firestarter
[07:52] <blueyed> teknoprep: I had to install my "old" SB Live to get more than one user access /dev/dsp
[07:52] <guupsta> ok, thanks
[07:52] <blueyed> guupsta: or guarddog
[07:52] <teknoprep> bleh firestart
[07:52] <IcemanV9> yaaar: 2-3 minutes?! you meant seconds?
[07:52] <teknoprep> you trying to setup a router/firewall/gateway device
[07:52] <airox> teknoprep: :-)
[07:52] <yaaar> IcemanV9: no, i meant what i said
[07:53] <kanicheLIVECD> I got a question... Ubuntu comes with software like emacs and k3b ? I can't find it on the LiveCD :o
[07:53] <teknoprep> or are you just configuring the local firewall for local security
[07:53] <yaaar> IcemanV9: if it was seconds, i wouldn't be here
[07:53] <Funraiser> lapo, it says the file already exists?
[07:53] <teknoprep> firestarter teaches you nothing
[07:53] <teknoprep> webmin you still have to build your rules
[07:53] <johnnyb> My install is erroring out on the "Configure apt" section.  Any ideas?
[07:53] <teknoprep> blueyed, i have an intel8x0 snd crd
[07:53] <IcemanV9> yaaar: ok. wow. it is long time. dunno why it happened. maybe something is hogging the resource.
[07:54] <airox> ubuntu: hi!
[07:54] <airox> :)
[07:54] <teknoprep> blueyed, i only have one choice that works
[07:54] <shinu> is there any way i can write on ntfs partition?
[07:54] <teknoprep> guupsta, really.. try webmin
[07:54] <lapo> Funraiser, sudo vi /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf asks for user password then shows a text file content
[07:54] <teknoprep> guupsta, or just learn iptables
[07:54] <teknoprep> guupsta, its not hard
[07:54] <airox> guupsta: You can find iptables shell scripts all over google if you're looking for them.
[07:54] <joe|code> Hello, is it possible to do a net installation of FreeBSD?
[07:54] <teknoprep> LOL
[07:54] <amehmood> hi
[07:55] <teknoprep> wtf are you doing here
[07:55] <amehmood> hi
[07:55] <kanicheLIVECD> lol with joe
[07:55] <teknoprep> yeah
[07:55] <teknoprep> that was odd
[07:55] <Andril> are there any repository buffs here?
[07:55] <lapo> have to go, bye
[07:55] <teknoprep> lapo, later
[07:55] <Funraiser> lapo, thanks
[07:55] <teknoprep> Andril, ask your question
[07:56] <Andril> teknoprep, I was wondering when Beagle will be added
[07:56] <teknoprep> Andril, dunno
[07:57] <lok> when it'll work ?
[07:57] <Andril> teknoprep, thanks anyways
[07:57] <amehmood> how to install the yahoo messenger?
[07:57] <teknoprep> amehmood, lol.. try gaim
[07:57] <teknoprep> amehmood, or kopeet
[07:57] <teknoprep> amehmood, make that kopete
[07:57] <jeffb> hi people I can't get my Epson C42 plus to print.  It's recognised in the hardware section but every time I try to print a test page it just stops.
[07:57] <jeffb> an ideas?
[07:58] <teknoprep> pebkac
[07:58] <teknoprep> keep trying different settings
[07:58] <teknoprep> jeffb, its quite hard to diagnose a printer problem over the internet
[07:58] <teknoprep> jeffb, are you doing it from cups server or from inside the KDE Config Console
[07:58] <jeffb> it's someting to di wuth the usb oirts
[07:59] <teknoprep> jeffb, i doubt it
[07:59] <HappyFool> ert. does the launchpad.ubuntu.com search function work?
[07:59] <jeffb> I'm using gnome not kde
[08:01] <airox> Anybody got beagle running ?
[08:01] <teknoprep> then use CUPS to set it up
[08:01] <teknoprep> http://localhost:631 i beleive.. its been awhile
[08:01] <guupsta> teknoprep, ok. i'll study about those two when i got enough time and will, thanks
[08:02] <teknoprep> guupsta, they are easy to get... apt-get isntall kopete
[08:02] <teknoprep> jeffb, goto that address and set your printer up there
[08:02] <HappyFool> teknoprep: i think System -> Administration -> Printing might be a better idea for CUPS
[08:03] <teknoprep> HappyFool, really?
[08:03] <teknoprep> wtf
[08:03] <HappyFool> so sayeth the page at localhost:631
[08:03] <HappyFool> "Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu System > Administration > Printing."
[08:03] <teknoprep> lol
[08:03] <teknoprep> i don't use gnome
[08:03] <teknoprep> i use kde
[08:03] <MuStR> :x
[08:03] <teknoprep> and i have a few cups servers around my network for older printers
[08:04] <MuStR> I think KDE is more attractive for larger desktops
[08:04] <MuStR> ie: 1280x1024
[08:04] <MuStR> my 1024x768 KDE desktop gets cluttered very quickly
[08:04] <teknoprep> p4 2.8ghz HT 800mhz fsb laptop with 2gb ddr.. 1400x1050 resolution
[08:04] <teknoprep> runs it quite smoth
[08:04] <HappyFool> aaargh. why does installing vtk want to uninstall x and the nvidia drivers
[08:04] <teknoprep> s/smoth/smooth
[08:05] <MuStR> sure, it'll run smooth...
[08:05] <Morphius> I'm having problems w/ apt-get. Every time I try to install a program it says that it was unable to fetch some archives and that the md5 checksum was bad. Anybody have ideas?
[08:06] <HappyFool> Morphius: i think the repositories are occasionally out-of-date or incomplete or whatever; try rerunning apt-get update every now and then
[08:06] <Morphius> I just did. Also with --fix-missing
[08:07] <Morphius> no results
[08:07] <HappyFool> Morphius: and maybe try pointing sources.list at archive.ubuntu.com instead of a mirror
[08:07] <Morphius> ok
[08:07] <kaniLiveCD> How I can see my windows partition throught the LiveCD ?
[08:07] <Morphius> what will I need to edit for that and what editor should I use. I'm not sure I have VI VIM or emacs yet cause I can't get apt-get to work
[08:08] <Amaranth> I think by default you have vi and nano
[08:08] <HappyFool> i think both should be there from the CD
[08:08] <zenrox> Amaranth,  is corect
[08:08] <Morphius> I do have vi
[08:09] <zenrox> you should by default
[08:09] <Morphius> what is the path for sources.list?
[08:09] <HappyFool> /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:09] <Q_Continuum> Subway...or Quizno's...I can't decide...!
[08:09] <lok> it's not vi it's vim
[08:09] <zenrox>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:09] <zenrox> quizno's
[08:09] <Q_Continuum> mmmkay
[08:09] <kvidell> Was I wrong in thinking that the need for "Mandatory/Forced FSCK on / every 30 mounts" was lost with the EXT3 file system?
[08:10] <Q_Continuum> I couldn't make up my mind, thanks.  I'm off.
[08:10] <KongenBX> my xmms audio player freeze when i try to play with it, what can be wrong? mpg123 works.
[08:10] <drcode> hi all
[08:10] <HappyFool> KongenBX: try rhythmbox (it's called 'Music Player' in the menu)
[08:10] <deFrysk> KongenBX, outputplugin needs to be set to esd
[08:10] <Morphius> OK, looking at my sources.list file, the deb source does not appear to be pointed to a mirror.
[08:11] <deFrysk> KongenBX, in kde it needs to be set to arst
[08:11] <deFrysk> arts
[08:11] <drcode> any one mybe know how can I convert pdf in linux into rtf or other format , so I can open it ?
[08:11] <KongenBX> deFrysk, how do i get the esd plugin?
[08:11] <Morphius> Q_continuium, go with subway, quiznos charges too much to burn some freakin bread
[08:11] <deFrysk> KongenBX, its in xmms
[08:11] <HappyFool> drcode: try maybe pdftotext
[08:12] <deFrysk> in prefs of imms
[08:12] <deFrysk> xmms
[08:12] <KongenBX> deFrysk: it is only alsa, eSound, and oss in the output-plugin conf.
[08:13] <pestilence> anyone know what the deal is with bad gpg sigs on hoary-security and hoary-updates?
[08:13] <deFrysk> KongenBX, use esound
[08:13] <drcode> I Want to get also the images
[08:13] <neighborlee> where do I get kernel source ?..uname shows 2.6.10-5-386 yet closest match in synatpic is 2.6.10-34 ...????
[08:13] <KongenBX> deFrysk:_ failed to open audio output:
[08:13] <drcode> my problem is that I Have exam software that work perfect with wine
[08:14] <misieq> drcode, pdfimages?
[08:14] <deFrysk> KongenBX, are you in kde ?
[08:14] <KongenBX> deFrysk: gnom2, wmaker
[08:14] <drcode> I Want to convert the pdf into rtf , this is the format the exam software can import from
[08:14] <pestilence> when running apt-get update i get:   The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[08:14] <deFrysk> dit you close xmms after setting it to esound and then open it again and try ?
[08:14] <misieq> drcode, or if it is not too long and not copy-righted you can try to copy it manually in kpdf
[08:15] <KongenBX> deFrysk: yes.
[08:15] <SilverStr> Can anyone tell me where I can find the Ubuntu package that holds the php4 bin?
[08:15] <pestilence> ok nevermind, it fixed itself.
[08:15] <HappyFool> SilverStr: it's not in php4 ?
[08:15] <mod^> marienz: not in the tbar
[08:15] <mod^> oops
[08:15] <deFrysk> KongenBX, otherwise try alsa
[08:15] <SilverStr> On a raw debian box, I find the file as /usr/bin/php. However, installing php4 from Ubunuty through warty/universe doesn't have it
[08:15] <mod^> wrong channel
[08:16] <airox> SilverStr: Maybe you have to install something like php4-cli
[08:16] <SilverStr> To top it off, the dependancies on Ubunutu has php4 require apache 1.3 stuff, when I have APache 2.0 installed.
[08:16] <slicslak> can anyone recomend a laptop to buy to put ubuntu on?
[08:16] <KongenBX> deFrysk: xmms work;) thanks.
[08:16] <deFrysk> KongenBX, cool :)
[08:16] <drcode> I Wish it was short
[08:17] <drcode> its 400 - 500 pages
[08:17] <saber_> slicsclak: look at the Linux Hardware Howto
[08:17] <IcemanV9> cipo: command not found
[08:17] <IcemanV9> is cipo missing?
[08:17] <saber_> you mean cpio?
[08:17] <airox> SilverStr: Are you wanting to install the module for apache btw ?
[08:18] <airox> SilverStr: Because there is a libapache2-mod-php4 ...
[08:18] <misieq> drcode, what about pdf2ps ??
[08:18] <SilverStr> airox: I will need both. I am installing FogBugz from FogCreek Software, and it requires PHP bin for installation, and then libphp stuff for Apache 2.
[08:18] <SilverStr> airox: Ya, I have that installed already
[08:19] <airox> SilverStr: maybe you want php4-cgi also
[08:19] <IcemanV9> saber_: ur right. typo! thanks for pointing it out
[08:19] <HappyFool> misieq: doesn't he want rtf ? do you know how to convert from ps to rtf ?
[08:19] <drcode> pdf2ps , and then I can convert it into rtf?
[08:19] <misieq> HappyFool, nope, but it might help him
[08:19] <hans_> how do i install kde desktop
[08:19] <hans_> ?
[08:20] <HappyFool> misieq: hrm ;)
[08:20] <misieq> HappyFool, i'm only trying to help...
[08:21] <deFrysk> hans sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:21] <hans_> thx
[08:21] <Zotnix> Mm.. noticed libcairo peeked up in Breezy
[08:21] <drcode> ps  file can load in abiword?
[08:21] <kaniLiveCD> What kernel ubuntu uses?
[08:21] <deFrysk> 2.6.10
[08:21] <HappyFool> drcode: where does your doc come from? LaTeX? something else?
[08:23] <drcode> I want to take pdf and convert it into rtf , with best remain like the orginal pdf
[08:24] <Morphius> is it [easily]  possible to install portage into ubuntu
[08:24] <tchnd15> bonsoir
[08:25] <kaniLiveCD> bonsoir - for whatever it means :P
[08:26] <airox> Evening tchnd15
[08:26] <Tallia1> hi guys..
[08:26] <sysLink> hi
[08:26] <Tallia1> i was searching for a tool that automount devices once plugged in
[08:26] <airox> hi
[08:27] <Tallia1> someone told me that ivman do this thing
[08:27] <Tallia1> but i has some problem with this tool
[08:27] <Tallia1> do you know some other tool with similar features!??
[08:28] <Tallia1> expecially i wanna something that auto mounts usb drives
[08:28] <Amaranth> wtf, Ctrl+S in gedit is opening a new tab instead of saving
[08:28] <foxiness> how can i get my lasserprinter work "its work on fc3 auto" but its not work here yet am do system>Administration>Printing and its Ready than its now "5 Jobs" nothing out ? idea
[08:30] <hans_> what is kdm and gdm?
[08:30] <foxiness> airox, hi
[08:30] <HappyFool> KDE and gnome display managers
[08:30] <hans_> thx
[08:30] <airox> foxiness: hi
[08:31] <foxiness> airox, am ask my firends to test his usb bluetooth "BELKIN" ? how can i do that ?
[08:32] <airox> foxiness: Sorry, can't follow.
[08:32] <airox> What are you wanting ?
[08:33] <Gentleman_finn> anyone in here using brightside?
[08:33] <foxiness> airox, if im plug this in my laptop than nothing :)
[08:33] <foxiness> airox, did i need something package or so to get it work ?
[08:34] <airox> foxiness: Check with dmesg | tail what it says.
[08:34] <airox> foxiness: Yes. bluez-utils
[08:34] <airox> foxiness: apt-cache search bluez
[08:34] <foxiness> airox, thanks , i will do that now
[08:35] <airox> foxiness: Good luck! :)
[08:35] <blackMOORE> which dialed i should use to connect to a ISP ? <> DialUp service <>
[08:36] <blackMOORE> cause my network connection doesnot seems to be working or what do i do ?
[08:37] <HappyFool> blackMOORE: you can try pppconfig if the gnome network setup isn't working
[08:37] <foxiness> blackMOORE, system>administartion>network
[08:37] <blackMOORE> HappyFool but is that GUI Based ?
[08:38] <foxiness> blackMOORE, see if there any Modem device there
[08:38] <blackMOORE> [00:37]  <foxiness> blackMOORE, system>administartion>network <> doesnt work for me .. it dials and without even connecting to my ISP gets Disconnected
[08:38] <m4x> is there an opensource version of a pcAnywhere client available for ununtu?
[08:39] <blackMOORE> there is a modem connected to com port 1 (0 and 1)
[08:39] <HappyFool> m4x: try vnc
[08:39] <HappyFool> m4x: there are clients/servers for windows, afaik
[08:39] <m4x> vnc will connect to a pcanywhere server?
[08:39] <HappyFool> no
[08:39] <HappyFool> well, not as far as i know
[08:39] <HappyFool> but you can install vnc on both sides
[08:39] <m4x> i need to connect to a server running pcanywhere
[08:40] <m4x> from within ubuntu (cause it got rid of windows :)
[08:40] <foxiness> HappyFool, Gppp use w:something:):dail apt-get install gppp
[08:40] <foxiness> sorry to blackMOORE
[08:41] <HappyFool> blackMOORE: if you've gotten your modem dialing, i would guess it's more likely to be incorrect settings than anything else
[08:41] <foxiness> blackMOORE, im dailup and its work for me . hope it will work for u
[08:42] <HappyFool> blackMOORE: pppconfig is not a GUI, but it's fairly simple to use, imo
[08:42] <HappyFool> foxiness: does you system try to dial-up on boot?
[08:42] <misieq> m4x, look here: http://www.techweb.com/wire/security/52601630
[08:42] <foxiness> HappyFool, no
[08:43] <misieq> m4x, it looks like native pcanywhere app does linux now...
[08:43] <blackMOORE> ok HappyFool ill try and come back later
[08:43] <blackMOORE> thanks HappyFool and foxiness
[08:43] <Kpjas> Hi I'm going to take the plunge and install 5.04. Am a bit nervous because I come from a RPM background. I want to keep my /home partition and I wonder what happens when I choose the same account name as the existing one ? Will it be erased ? I wish it wouldn't. If I choose another name I suppose it might be a little tricky to switch to the original one, right ?
[08:43] <HappyFool> foxiness: hrm. i got that when i used the System -> Administration -> Networks setup of the modem. it did work though ;)
[08:44] <Kpjas> *account name* that is
[08:44] <foxiness> blackMOORE, if it disconect after it connect see /etc/ppp/optins there are syn:something: default
[08:44] <UnreA|L> when i try extract rar file ( unrar -x ) me write failed ?
[08:44] <foxiness> blackMOORE, you are wellcome
[08:45] <foxiness> HappyFool, great to hear linux better than on gnome 2.10 than on 2.8
[08:45] <HappyFool> UnreA|L: try unrar-nonfree
[08:45] <UnreA|L> okey
[08:45] <Morphius> I'm having problems with apt-get. Every time I try to install a program it says that it was unable to fetch some archives and that the md5 chekcusm was bad. Anybody have ideas? I have updated apt-get and I am not running off of a mirror.
[08:46] <HappyFool> foxiness: yeah, except for the dial-on-boot thing. i went back to using pppconfig ;)
[08:46] <P0wer1> Any1 here ever set-up multiple WAN connections for load balancing or know of a software solution that can?
[08:46] <jnc> hey um, guys?    how do i create a new xorg.conf the "ubuntu" way
[08:46] <UnreA|L> unrar-nonfree this is command or soft ?
[08:46] <foxiness> HappyFool, dail on booting i remmber that on fc3 ;) on network stuff "redhat-tools :)"
[08:47] <HappyFool> UnreA|L: it's a package you need to install with synaptic or apt-get
[08:47] <foxiness> HappyFool, are u coming from redhat ?
[08:47] <HappyFool> followmash: fc2, i think. I've been on ubuntu for about .. err. 3 months, i think
[08:47] <P0wer1> Any1 here ever set-up multiple WAN connections for load balancing or know of a software solution that can?
[08:47] <UnreA|L> OK
[08:47] <UnreA|L> thanks
[08:48] <HappyFool> Kpjas: i would guess you can change the owner of the files in the 'home' partition after install
[08:48] <UnreA|L> Package unrar-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:48] <UnreA|L> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:48] <UnreA|L> is only available from another source
[08:48] <UnreA|L> E: Package unrar-nonfree has no installation candidate
[08:49] <UnreA|L> i get this error
[08:49] <HappyFool> Kpjas: i doubt it will be plain-sailing -- i think all the 'hidden' .gnome etc. directories might cause unhappiness
[08:49] <foxiness> HappyFool, than am not alone here :) from fc
[08:49] <will_> oh tv-out gives me a headache!
[08:49] <HappyFool> UnreA|L: it's in 'multiverse' -- you need to add that to your apt-get sources
[08:50] <Kpjas> HappyFool: OK I will try to install and stay unharmed and calm as I am now ;-)
[08:51] <HappyFool> Kpjas: backup your home dir if you can ;)
[08:51] <Kpjas> HappyFool: I've already done
[08:51] <asdxx> Hello, I'm trying to mount/read some SCO unixware floppy's, it says that can't mount because i need to specify the filesystem type, do you know what kind of filesystem these floppy's can use? :S
[08:51] <UnreA|L> HappyFool, how i can add this ?
[08:52] <HappyFool> UnreA|L: you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:52] <foxiness> asdxx, maybe man mount will help u
[08:52] <HappyFool> UnreA|L: I'm looking for a page on the wiki
[08:52] <UnreA|L> Okey
[08:52] <Kpjas> HappyFool: I am a bit more careful after Mandrake unexpectedly erased my partitions when it wasn't supposed to
[08:52] <tahorg> YEEAH, I broke it !
[08:52] <tahorg> X is all f***ed
[08:53] <airox> Great.
[08:53] <Kpjas> bye leaving to do the install...
[08:53] <HappyFool> Kpjas: good luck
[08:53] <HappyFool> ;)
[08:53] <matt_de_noob> I have had hoary installed for about a month now and have found is surprisingly easy to get set-up how I like. My problem is that I cannot get the NVIDIA driver to install. I have tried it twice and had to reinstall the OS both times to get back into GNOME. I followed the instructions on ubuntuguide and everything seemed to go ok but when I rebooted only a third of the login screen loaded and the rest was white. Needless
[08:53] <matt_de_noob> to say I could not log on! Is the nvidia driver compatable with Ubuntu? Phew! Long qestion I know!
[08:54] <HappyFool> matt_de_noob: it works here ;)
[08:54] <matt_de_noob> great.
[08:54] <Kartagis> hi
[08:54] <matt_de_noob> not here...
[08:54] <HappyFool> UnreA|L: if you edit /etc/apt/sources.list, you should see commented out lines referring to universe
[08:54] <matt_de_noob> Anyone had the same problem?
[08:54] <Kartagis> I'm having trouble with bind, can you help me?
[08:54] <pablo928> matt_de_noob: what result did you have with the native linux driver?
[08:55] <johnnyb> If you are in an Ubuntu install, and the install screws up, how do you fix it?
[08:55] <kjensen> hi - I have a wierd problem with my display settings. X always starts up in 1600x1200. I have tried to change it in Gnome but after a restart I'm back to 1600x1200. I have also tried to change my xorg.conf but then I get a virtual screen of 1600x1200 :-?
[08:55] <foxiness> airox, after isntalling bluez-utils * Starting Bluetooth services... [ ok ]  /n hcid sdpd lsusb output > Bus 001 Device 004: ID 050d:0081 Belkin Components ,next please ?
[08:55] <matt_de_noob> It is working fine with the native driver but I just know that the NVIDIA one will be quicker.
[08:55] <johnnyb> Specifically, I'm trying to install a package that the installer seems to have forgotten -- grub
[08:55] <HappyFool> UnreA|L: the lines should look like this: '# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe'
[08:55] <johnnyb> But I can't find dpkg anywhere
[08:56] <HappyFool> UnreA|L: remove the '#', and add ' multiverse' to the end of the line (there must be a space between 'universe' and 'multiverse')
[08:56] <IFRFLYR> Anyone recommend a good program to mirror a website via ftp; that is, I have a remote server and I want to copy the whole thing, directories and all, automatically.
[08:56] <HappyFool> UnreA|L: then run 'sudo apt-get update' and try again
[08:56] <HappyFool> IFRFLYR: wget ?
[08:56] <airox> IFRFLYR: wget ftpmirror
[08:56] <IFRFLYR> Yeah, that works for the html, but I want the ftp files. . .
[08:56] <MagicHands> hi..I installed hoary yesterday..today, all of a sudden, I can no longer log into gnome. .xsession-errors gives messages like: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50xorg-common_determine-startup: line 2: AE07: No such file or directory. I was setting kbd shortcuts and I think somehow this file got messed up...can someone send me their copy of the file?
[08:56] <HappyFool> wget talks ftp, afaik ?
[08:57] <pablo928> matt_de_noob:io had the same problem with ati drivers, so i'm using the native linux driver, i'm not gaming. Still have fairly good 3-d.
[08:57] <IFRFLYR> At least *I* don't know how to use it for ftp and the man pages don't seem to help me!
[08:57] <Kartagis> I use /etc/init.d/bind9 start to start bind, and it immediately dies, and it doesn't log although I told it to log so I can't tell what's going on. any ideas?
[08:57] <int21h> hello good people
[08:57] <IFRFLYR> hi int21h
[08:57] <int21h> I was wondering what the current DVD player of choice is ??
[08:58] <int21h> it seems mplayer is no longer in the Ubuntu universe
[08:58] <foxiness> MagicHands, did u copy or move file from /home old one to new one for ubuntu ?
[08:58] <oseymen> try xine...
[08:58] <HappyFool> IFRFLYR: the man page talks about ftp lots
[08:59] <int21h> oseymen, what happened to MPLayer ?
[08:59] <IFRFLYR> I know. I just can't seem to get it going with the -r command. It copies just the directory I'm in and quits.
[08:59] <HappyFool> IFRFLYR: for instance, the '-m' option for mirroring ftp sites ;)
[08:59] <mirak_> WARNING: couldn't find framebuffer base address, try manual
[08:59] <MagicHands> foxiness: "from /home old one to new one for ubuntu" ?? I do not understand you .. :(
[08:59] <mirak_>          configuration ("v4l-conf -a <addr>")
[08:59] <IFRFLYR> Its **clearly** user error,
[08:59] <IFRFLYR> AHA!
[08:59] <mirak_> I still have this error with xawtv
[08:59] <IFRFLYR> -m, eh>
[08:59] <mirak_> when I try to use overlay
[08:59] <SilverStr> Arg.
[08:59] <IFRFLYR> Thans for that HappyFool
[08:59] <HappyFool> np
[08:59] <SilverStr> I finally figure out how to get php4 bin on there... and its too old!
[09:00] <pinPoint> i get this env LANG=C /usr/bin/mrtg ... when running mrtg
[09:00] <pinPoint> ubuntu server
[09:00] <foxiness> MagicHands, did u replace any file on your home dir ?
[09:00] <oseymen> that is a good question, for which I don't know the answer
[09:00] <MagicHands> foxiness: no. I did not
[09:00] <SilverStr> What sort of damage occurs if I add a Debian tree to the apt.sources list?
[09:00] <rudi1234> how can i get amule pkg for ubuntu?
[09:01] <SilverStr> I need php > 4.3.10, and currently its 4.3.8 in the repo
[09:01] <Kartagis> rudi1234: apt-get install amule
[09:01] <asdxx> foxiness: i just tryed with ufs, etc and nothing... :/
[09:01] <rudi1234> that don# work
[09:02] <rudi1234> Kartagis,  that dont work
[09:02] <oseymen> rudi1234 - what is the output err like?
[09:02] <foxiness> asdxx, im not use sco b4 than i can not help u more
[09:02] <Kartagis> rudi1234: it works, if you are root and you edited /etc/apt/sources.list properly
[09:02] <MagicHands> can someone please send me/paste the first few lines of their /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50xord-common_determine-startup file?
[09:03] <int21h> can I use mplayer in Ubuntu ?
[09:03] <rudi1234> oseymen, can't find amule
[09:03] <int21h> specifically Hoary
[09:03] <foxiness> int21h, yes
[09:04] <Kartagis> kabuto@kunduz:~/public_html$ apt-cache search amule
[09:04] <Kartagis> amule - aNOTHER eMule P2P Client
[09:04] <UnreA|L> In multiverse is commercial soft ?
[09:04] <SilverStr> Does Ubuntu have an equiv to Debian's unstable branch? Or is that what universe is?
[09:04] <airox> UnreA|L: Commercial software aren't in the repos I guess ;)
[09:04] <my_haz> i use emuleclc
[09:04] <emanuelez> hello *
[09:04] <my_haz> it works great@!
[09:05] <rudi1234> Kartagis, what can i do
[09:05] <UnreA|L> how extract rar with unrar-nonfree ?
[09:05] <foxiness> MagicHands, ls -a /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ , maybe u find backup file
[09:05] <emanuelez> any news about hoary successor? i'm about to get back to ubuntu but i'm kind of a bleeding edge software person :P
[09:06] <oseymen> rudi1234 - I guess you should reconfigure your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:06] <jnc> emanuelez: i'm using breezy on amd64, there is a HUGE  transition taking place to gcc4.x and the new X11
[09:06] <my_haz> foxiness: unrar e FILENAME
[09:06] <jnc> emanuelez: it's not useable currently
[09:06] <jnc> i mean, for GUI
[09:06] <misieq> "/dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,quiet,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8) [H100] " - what does the option nosuid, nodev, sync, quiet, uid, gid and umask mean??
[09:06] <rudi1234> oseymen, how can i do that?
[09:06] <emanuelez> jnc: amd64 here too
[09:07] <jnc> emanuelez: openoffice printing is fixed in breezy
[09:07] <int21h> oooh nuther question about mounting an NTFS partition for R/W.... is it possible ?
[09:07] <jnc> well it was, until this transition
[09:07] <jnc> hah.  i'm stuck in console now
[09:07] <MagicHands> foxiness: there is no backup file. I checked that already
[09:07] <MagicHands> foxiness: my 50xorg...and 90xorg files seem to have lost some of their initial content
[09:07] <emanuelez> jnc: i see... well... printing is a pain in the ass with my canon lbp1120 :(
[09:07] <my_haz> int21h: there was some program in knoppix that used native drivers for this but i can't recall the name now
[09:08] <g14> my_haz: Captive NTFS
[09:08] <int21h> my_haz, any idea if it did R & W ?
[09:08] <oseymen> rudi1234 - My sources.list is different, but take a look at here: http://www.maxhosting.org/burnout/blog/2005/02/25/apt-get-ubuntu
[09:08] <my_haz> int21h: what g14 said, yes its as far as i know
[09:08] <rudi1234> oseymen, thnx
[09:09] <int21h> ahhh missed that thanks
[09:09] <g14> int21h: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[09:09] <my_haz> but if you haven't partitioned yet i would/have made a dos partion inbetween by fbsd and windows partion for transfering
[09:10] <my_haz> this box with ubuntu is single boot though
[09:10] <my_haz> i use ftp to transfer files to the windows box
[09:10] <misieq> anybody knows how can i make my mp3player writeable? i mean after connecting it to usb i can read files and i think i can change their content, but i can't add any file to it.
[09:10] <int21h> g14, thanks much
[09:11] <my_haz> g14: have you tried captive?
[09:11] <g14> int21h: No prob. Try searching the ubuntu forums for captive ntfs. I bet you'll find something
[09:11] <g14> my_haz: I only have windows on 1 box and I don't ever use it
[09:11] <my_haz> OS collector i see ;)
[09:11] <g14> my_haz: Captive NTFS works fine under knoppix though. I've tried it
[09:12] <my_haz> cool i was woundering that
[09:12] <alexander_> Goddamnit!!
[09:12] <misieq> anybody knows how can i make my mp3player writeable? i mean after connecting it to usb i can read files and i think i can change their content, but i can't add any file to it.
[09:12] <my_haz> alexander_: god is not in now may i take a message
[09:12] <g14> alexander_: How about we watch what we say on public IRC channels? thanks
[09:12] <alexander_> I have fixed the nvidia driver shit, I have enabled the nvidia config, but still i cant change my res on my screeen
[09:13] <alexander_> gl4: Im sorry what I said I do not finde as a  profanity :P
[09:13] <jnc> i vote alexander off the island
[09:13] <jnc> he's complaining about nvidia
[09:13] <my_haz> hehe
[09:13] <my_haz> use the project evil
[09:13] <funky> hi
[09:13] <JairunCaloth> Alexander: you need the xconfig program... I just can't remember the command for it
[09:13] <yonil> im having problems with sound in some wmv files -- any ideas? (i remember hearing about this problem sometime)
[09:13] <g14> alexander_: Well other people do and might not help you when you do that
[09:13] <jnc> yonil: ubuntuguide.org
[09:13] <emanuelez> i remember i saw some kind of program allowing to chat to msn, yahoo and so on via irc... i can't remember its name now... any hint?
[09:13] <my_haz> yonil: what are you useing to play them
[09:14] <jnc> emanuelez: gaim
[09:14] <rudi1234> oseymen, it works. THNX
[09:14] <jnc> emanuelez: or Gossip
[09:14] <my_haz> emanuelez: gaim
[09:14] <funky> what repository should i add if Im using hoary and i want to upgrade my firefox 1.0.2 to 1.0.4 ? i have tried two from backports but inst in both
[09:14] <emanuelez> no no... i mean... using my usual irc client...
[09:14] <JairunCaloth> alexander: xorgconfig I think
[09:15] <alexander_> JairunCaloth,  I think iv tried that
[09:15] <Kartagis> I use /etc/init.d/bind9 start to start bind, and it immediately dies, and it doesn't log although I told it to log so I can't tell what's going on. any ideas?
[09:15] <JairunCaloth> alexander I guess you could try editing the xorg config file by hand
[09:15] <alexander_> Or at least xf86cfg because I dont think xorg works.. But tell me what I exactly should write in the terminal
[09:16] <alexander_> I follow you
[09:16] <JairunCaloth> heh, you're barking up the wrong tree, I'm a noob too
[09:17] <Funraiser> alexander_, sudo gedit xorg.conf
[09:17] <Funraiser> in the etc/X11 directory
[09:18] <Gentleman_finn> ok, so no one is using brightside with their ubuntu? cause I can't get the workspace switching to work
[09:18] <trondd> Hi! I'm trying to use netapplet, but no devices are detected... What am I doing wrong? netdaemon is started.
[09:18] <oseymen> rudi1234 - I'm glad
[09:19] <alexander_> Do you mean Sudo?
[09:20] <Flav> sudo sudo
[09:21] <alexander_> Did funraiser leave?
[09:21] <Funraiser> no
[09:21] <liviud> is there any "unstable" tree as in debian's "sid" for ubuntu ?
[09:21] <Funraiser> sudo blabla...
[09:21] <ells> can anyone tell me how to check what ip my router is giving my computer
[09:21] <trondd> ifconfig
[09:21] <Gnobody> Does anybody know what would cause xine apps to segmentation fault?
[09:22] <emanuelez> sudo ifconfig
[09:22] <foxiness> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ?
[09:22] <nico8481> hello
[09:22] <Kartagis> /sbin/ifconfig
[09:22] <ells> thanks guys
[09:22] <foxiness> hi nico8481
[09:22] <emanuelez> lol... 3 answers which are basically the same LOL
[09:23] <_keeM> my internet connection goes down after about 20 - 30 min... somebody know why ? :s
[09:23] <foxiness> _keeM, adsl ?
[09:23] <alexander_> Funraiser: You there?
[09:23] <Gnobody> anybody using Hoary AMD64?
[09:23] <Flav> liviud: good question - my take on it would be no, there's breezy which can be thought of as testing, and hoary can be thought of as stable, but nothing equiv to sid - there's not really a need for such a beast with sid already around, IMHO
[09:23] <Funraiser> alexander_, yes
[09:23] <alexander_> Im in the confg file now
[09:23] <_keeM> foxiness yes
[09:23] <alexander_> Why cant I tab you goddamnit
[09:23] <_keeM> telenor ADSL (norway)
[09:24] <Funraiser> alexander_, no idea, just knew how to get there :-)
[09:24] <Funraiser> lol
[09:24] <nico8481> I have a problem here to burn a CD from nautilus: i right-click on an ISO, select "write to disc", then the software keeps saying "insert blank disc" although I have done so... any idea?
[09:24] <liviud> Flav: aha, then practically why isn't there a "mc" package for example? :P
[09:24] <foxiness> _keeM, i see it on ubuntu-mail-list u can search for the answer
[09:24] <nico8481> i've tried with another blank CD but got the same result
[09:24] <djp> why is it that printing in firefox always misses the last few letters of some words to the right of the page?
[09:24] <misieq> anybody knows how can i make my mp3player writeable? i mean after connecting it to usb i can read files and i think i can change their content, but i can't add any file to it.
[09:25] <_keeM> foxiness what do you mean ? i install linux yesterday and i dont know much about linux :P
[09:26] <Gnobody> anybody using Hoary AMD64?
[09:26] <yaaar> word
[09:26] <Funraiser> misieq, how did u try to add files?
[09:27] <misieq> Funraiser, every way -> drag&drop in konqueror, from console, from console as root...
[09:27] <TrendKill> hello, Im using hoary 64-bit and i would like to know how can i watch xvid and divx movies with Xine?
[09:28] <misieq> Funraiser, it is mounted with these options: rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,quiet,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8
[09:28] <Gnobody> Xine crashes for me period when I try to playback MP3
[09:28] <Gnobody> and yes I have libmad
[09:28] <Gnobody> and ogg vorbis
[09:28] <TrendKill> gnobody, same here...it crashes all the time
[09:28] <Gnobody> it crashes on ogg vorbis
[09:29] <Gnobody> meh
[09:29] <Flav> liviud: ubuntu isn't supposed to be as all-inclusive as Debian, certainly not sid
[09:29] <jnc> and... we're back
[09:29] <liviud> Flav: at least it seems more bleeding edge here.
[09:30] <Flav> liviud: besides, with Ubuntu's desktop focus, gnome-commander is a better choice IMHO
[09:30] <Flav> liviud: than stable, yes - than sid, not so much :)
[09:30] <Flav> liviud: but, FWIW, mc *is* in ubuntu
[09:30] <Flav> Filename: pool/universe/m/mc/mc_4.6.0-4.6.1-pre1-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
[09:30] <liviud> Flav: it is in the universe stuff
[09:30] <Gomez> hey all, i have an old lappy (250 mhz, 32mb ram, 6 gb hdd, etc) and i was wanting to install an OS that wouldnt bog it down much like windows. would ubuntu be a good decision for this?
[09:31] <Flav> liviud: yup - what's wrong with universe?
[09:31] <liviud> Flav: I personally have used debian/sid/woody for like 2-3 years
[09:31] <liviud> Flav: then switched to SuSE since the job demanded so.
[09:31] <Flav> liviud: yeah, i was on woody since it's release until last week when i upgraded to hoary :)
[09:31] <liviud> Flav: and now I'm pissed off on SuSE and looking for something better :P
[09:31] <Flav> liviud: i never ran SuSE - what do you dislike about it, out of curiosity?
[09:32] <yonil> im having problems with sound in some wmv files -- any ideas? (i remember hearing about this problem sometime)
[09:32] <liviud> Flav: I can't say i dislike something at all.
[09:32] <liviud> Flav: but it lacks something like the rest of distros non debian based
[09:32] <liviud> Flav: the apt-get && dpkg && huge package trees
[09:32] <liviud> Flav: I'm too god damn old to stay and compile rpm-src's or find dependencies around.
[09:33] <TrendKill> has anyone had problems with bittornado? it keeps redownloading the same chunk over and over
[09:33] <liviud> Flav: if they'd implement something similar in it I'd be more than happy
[09:33] <Flav> liviud: totally agreed - that's why I had switched to Debian from RHL back in the day :)
[09:33] <darkaudit> Flav: I gave up on SuSE last August when they still had broken GNOME 2.6 packages from May, and 2.8 was imminent...
[09:33] <yaaar> so anybody know why my file manager takes 2-3 minutes (not seconds) to open folders, or how i can rectify that situation, or even another filemanager i could use with comparable functionality, or anything? i'm losing it here....
[09:33] <liviud> Flav: I can't run a Distro where it takes more than one hour to get some <random> program installed.
[09:34] <liviud> Flav: which is not in the main tree obviously :)
[09:34] <Flav> liviud: totally agreed - that's a great point
[09:34] <TrendKill> liviud: have you tried slackware?
[09:34] <liviud> Flav: plus that what I like about debian generally
[09:34] <liviud> TrendKill: actually? Yeah.
[09:34] <TrendKill> liviud: liked it?
[09:34] <liviud> Flav: is that you can customize it ( starting with the kernel ) yourself without fucking up several things.
[09:34] <liviud> TrendKill: yeah, until I had to upgrade it.
[09:35] <dataw0lf|w> watch the languages, please.
[09:35] <liviud> TrendKill: then I've switched to Mandrake :P
[09:35] <dataw0lf|w> -s
[09:35] <TrendKill> liviud: thats a downgrade..;)
[09:35] <guupsta> :)
[09:35] <nico8481> is there a "k3b-like" cd writing tool for gnome/gtk ?
[09:35] <liviud> TrendKill: i was in a search for something like I am now :P
[09:35] <Gomez> what would be a good OS for an old laptop (250 mhz, 32 mb of ram, etc)?
[09:36] <TrendKill> liviud: pc-bsd?
[09:36] <Flav> nico8481: checking "apt-cache search burn" i would guess maybe gnomebaker
[09:36] <nico8481> k thx
[09:36] <liviud> TrendKill: freebsd does it fine, but I'm looking something more linux based :P
[09:36] <alexander_> Why can't I lissten to mp3 and install different stuff?
[09:36] <m4x> is there a way to control how the window list panel is sorted?
[09:36] <KinkyLatex> i used to use redhat 6.0
[09:36] <KinkyLatex> on my 133
[09:36] <liviud> I'll probably end up back to debian or freebsd :P
[09:37] <Gnobody> you need libmad for mp3 playback which is in universe alexanger_
[09:37] <alexander_> Gnobody okey
[09:37] <alexander_> And where do I get that?
[09:37] <TrendKill> liviud: well, ubuntu is quite good i find...
[09:37] <nico8481> any idea why the writing software used by nautilus (right-click on an ISO -> write to cd) doesn't work? keeps asking for a blank disc even after I've put one in the drive...
[09:38] <Funraiser> nico8481, i'm using k3b on ubuntu...
[09:38] <g14> nico8481: Have you used any other cd burning software to verify it is just nautilus and not a more general problem?
[09:38] <TrendKill> liviud: for desktop applications and my laptop...im not quite convinced its server-ready...id rather use slack for that
[09:38] <nico8481> g14, not yet... i'm install gnomebaker :)
[09:38] <nico8481> "installing" even
[09:38] <g14> nico8481: Thats what I use. I like gnomebaker
[09:39] <alexander_> Gnobody where do i get that thing i needed?
[09:39] <dos000> i have acommand like " mount -t proc none sforge-000/proc/" how would i put it in /etc/fstab ?
[09:39] <Gnobody> alexander_ : sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:39] <Gnobody> and uncomment the universe repository
[09:40] <Gnobody> then sudo apt-get update
[09:40] <Gnobody> then sudo synaptic
[09:40] <Gnobody> and search for libmad
[09:40] <nico8481> maybe i should unmount the disc (nautilus seems to mount it automatically when it pops the "CD/DVD creator" up...
[09:40] <nico8481> )
[09:40] <Tallia1> is there someone that could help me with autofs?!
[09:40] <alexander_> Gnobody ones again please :P?
[09:40] <alexander_> Im in that file now
[09:40] <g14> nico8481: You can't unmount a blank cd, it was never mounted :)
[09:41] <Gnobody> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:41] <Gnobody> then uncomment the universe repository
[09:41] <Gnobody> then sudo apt-get update
[09:41] <Gnobody> then sudo synaptic and search for libmad
[09:41] <nico8481> g14, uuhh.... right ^^;
[09:41] <alexander_> I dont get uncomment, should I errase?
[09:41] <nico8481> ok, trying gnomebaked
[09:42] <Flav> "uncomment" usually means basically: erase the # at the front of the line
[09:42] <alexander_> okey
[09:43] <Funraiser> guys i'm trying to help someone on Ubuntu, he doesn't speak english, right after gdm he has a brown screen, anyone knows what it could be? we already went to  etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf and changed line 359 (wrote :wq and tried :q! also) anyone?
[09:43] <Funraiser> brown screen and froze
[09:43] <alexander_> So i should errase the two # infront of repository?
[09:47] <nico8481> damn... why isn't there an "unmount" next to the "eject" feature in the contextual menu of a CD on the desktop grrrr...
[09:47] <zenlunatic> I installed mplayer and its not in my applications menu nor does 'mplayer' on cli work?
[09:47] <nico8481> if i weren't so bad at programming i'd add it :p
[09:48] <alexander_> Can i Pm someone thatll help me what to errase in the source.conf to be able to install that mp3 codec
[09:48] <Funraiser> zenlunatic, how did u install it?
[09:48] <slept> nico8481, what for if you umount you want to eject  in most cases
[09:49] <zenlunatic> Funraiser: apt-get install mplayer-ppc
[09:49] <Funraiser> that's it?
[09:49] <nico8481> slept, well gnomebaker seems to need the source disc to be unmounted in order to do a copy
[09:49] <zenlunatic> Funraiser: Yes actually mplayer-powerpc
[09:50] <Funraiser> zenlunatic, oh dunno then
[09:51] <slept> nico8481, you can umount /dev/hd..
[09:51] <zenlunatic> Funraiser: What else can I use to play a dvd?
[09:51] <Funraiser> zenlunatic, xine or vlc
[09:51] <jnc> zenlunatic: videolanclient, mplayer, xine, totem, ...
[09:51] <Funraiser> zenlunatic, i recommend vlc though
[09:52] <chrissturm> what is the problem when xorg says "could not open default font: 'fixed'" on a breezy system?
[09:52] <nico8481> slept, yup that's what i say... :p would be easier with an "unmount" entry in the context menu... no need to open a term and type "umount /dev/..." (yeah i'm increadibly lazy ;p)
[09:52] <zenlunatic> Funraiser: Thanks I will try it.
[09:53] <slept> nico8481, you can add an eject button with create launcher -- command : umount ...
[09:54] <nico8481> hehe :) why not ;)
[09:55] <marska> Hello. How can I tell what Wireless networks are available and how do I switch between said networks under Hoary?
[09:55] <alexander_> Someone wanna help me quickie?
[09:56] <slept> just ask
[09:56] <james_> alexander_, sure
[09:56] <henrik_> are there any binary packages for the newest ATI fglrx drivers anywhere? The xorg-driver-fglrx package in breezy only has the 8.8.25 driver, while there is a 8.12.10 out. Any inofficial sources?
[09:57] <marska> The default client shows a "place holder" name for all networks (Io) but I want to be able to switch to a specific network but I'm not sure what its name/settings are.
[09:57] <gregg_> hi
[09:57] <gregg_> is ubuntu going to support reiser4 anytime soon (e.g. next release)?
[09:57] <marska> Gregg_: Use Debian
[09:58] <zenlunatic> marska: iwlist scan
[09:58] <npiv> how come Im getting broken packages when trying to install mplayer ?
[09:58] <darkaudit> woo hoo! Fluxbox 0.9.13 in backports :)
[09:58] <Funraiser> npiv, because u need to add the extra repos first
[09:58] <gregg_> marska, why?
[09:58] <gregg_> I use ubuntu instead of debian for several reason, you know...
[09:59] <zenlunatic> marska: iwconfig eth1 mode managed essid network_to_join (if wep) key 123123
[09:59] <jnc> npiv: mplayer is unsupported
[09:59] <Funraiser> npiv, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[10:00] <marska> Gregg: Ubuntu is like a bad version of Debian
[10:00] <marska> Gregg: Ubuntu is meant to be a user friendly (newbie) package without thrills or too many options.
[10:00] <darkaudit> marska: expand on that, please
[10:00] <marska> Darkaudit: It is my understanding that Ubuntu is made to be as set as possible. It only uses GNOME, comes default with few applications, etc.
[10:00] <marska> As plain as possible, in other words.
[10:01] <gregg_> marska, that's not what ubuntu ought to be in my eyes
[10:01] <marska> But it is what it is.
[10:01] <marska> Its based on Debian, which is only a base.
[10:01] <darkaudit> marska: right out of the box, maybe, but nearly every package available to Debian is available for Ubuntu
[10:01] <jnc> or is it?
[10:01] <marska> Ubuntu is the tower.
[10:01] <jnc> Gentoo is the steeple
[10:01] <marska> Darkaudit: No. And Ubuntu is breaking backwards usage with Debian.
[10:01] <jnc> and if you look inside
[10:02] <gregg_> marska, sure, but it's better than debian in many aspects
[10:02] <jnc> all the little people
[10:02] <slept> I'm missing modconf
[10:02] <marska> Gregg: Its not, but I don't feel like debating it.
[10:02] <lotusleaf> marska, what distro do you use?
[10:02] <darkaudit> marska: No? With Universe enabled I have everything I had with Sid.
[10:02] <Brunellus> hi all.  why is /dev/cdrom not being recognized?
[10:03] <zenlunatic> My video in VLC is choppy (dvd) and has no sound.
[10:03] <gregg_> marska, for example, where to get kde 3.4 and xorg in debian?
[10:03] <directhex> zenlunatic, snap
[10:03] <directhex> zenlunatic, amd64?
[10:03] <gregg_> not counting external reps
[10:03] <zenlunatic> directhex: NOpe powerpc
[10:03] <Brunellus> I've upgraded from warty to hoary, and everything is (mostly) OK
[10:03] <janolap1> Hi there, can anyone help me ? I have a problem with my WG311v2 wifi card...
[10:03] <blake_> how do you change yor password????
[10:03] <marska> Gregg: Apt-get
[10:03] <Brunellus> except that apps that need to use /dev/cdrom to read cd audio files now no longer work
[10:04] <Funraiser>  ubuntu rulezzz
[10:04] <Brunellus> data cds work fine and automount
[10:04] <Brunellus> and, bizarrely, soundjuicer works
[10:04] <gregg_> marska, you could just stop trolling...
[10:04] <marska> Gregg: Ubuntu was build for simple ease of use. Check their philosophy page
[10:04] <Funraiser> zenlunatic, try xine too, see if the sound works there
[10:04] <Brunellus> but gnome-cd doesn't work.  nor does grip.  nor does the cd-player plugin for xmms
[10:04] <marska> Gregg: I'm not trolling. I just said that if you wanted expanded options, use Debian
[10:04] <darkaudit> like what options?
[10:05] <jnc> don't feed the trolls
[10:05] <gregg_> marska, in this case, debian doesn't expand my options
[10:05] <marska> "sigh"
[10:05] <lotusleaf> marska, thanks, have a nice day, now we know. Conversation ended.
[10:05] <blake_> does anyone know
[10:05] <marska> I just said that.
[10:05] <blake_> i need to change it
[10:05] <marska> Didn't wish to start trolling
[10:05] <Brunellus> anybody?
[10:05] <marska> Sorry to the channel
[10:05] <lotusleaf> marska, yup, convo over.
[10:05] <lotusleaf> so anyway, isn't ubuntu great? :)
[10:06] <Funraiser> it is
[10:06] <marska> Yes, it is.
[10:06] <darkaudit> marska: darn... just when I was interested :)
[10:06] <Brunellus> can't anybody tell me why hoary is suddenly not recognizing music cds in /dev/cdrom
[10:06] <spo0nman> Brunellus, look at /etc/groups and see if you have access to cdrom
[10:06] <janolap1> Sorry, but does anyone know how to make a WG311V2 PCI card working with ubuntu ?
[10:06] <marska> How can one confirm that they are connected to a specific wireless network?
[10:06] <spo0nman> Brunellus, can you mount normal cd's?
[10:06] <Flav> marska: i would guess checking iwconfig
[10:06] <Brunellus> yes, I can mount normal data CDs
[10:06] <blake_> plase
[10:06] <jnc> marska: no real easy way yet
[10:06] <Flav> blake_: passwd
[10:06] <Funraiser> ubuntu is good for beginners, then one can do a linux from scratch system later on
[10:07] <jnc> marska: it's on the TODO list for gnome 2.14
[10:07] <blake_> so username passwd and new password
[10:07] <jnc> meanwhile you can use something like apradar
[10:07] <marska> Jnc: Thank you. Iwconfig seems to work fine.
[10:07] <dataw0lf|w> Ubuntu is good for Debian users who are tired of configuring everything for basic desktop operations, but still need consistency between workstations and servers.
[10:07] <Flav> Funraiser: why bother with LFS if Ubuntu does what you need?
[10:07] <blake_> under sudo
[10:07] <lotusleaf> ubuntu is perfect for Linux users old and new who have a life and friends and don't like to talk to shadows on the wall as if they were friends.
[10:07] <spo0nman> Brunellus, hmm, most probably its a permission problem. see /etc/groups and /etc/sudoers and see if you have access to raw cd.
[10:07] <gregg_> lotusleaf, nice statement :)
[10:07] <marska> Lotus: Shadows arn't my friends?
[10:07] <Brunellus> h'm.
[10:08] <Funraiser> Flav, because that way, u really know how to fix thing, when there is a problem
[10:08] <nico8481> g14, yup it seems to work with gnomebaker
[10:08] <jnc> many women say "i love shadows"
[10:08] <Funraiser> things*
[10:08] <jnc> i just happen to be the person they talk about a.k.a. shadows
[10:08] <jnc> :)
[10:08] <gregg_> Funraiser, really? by copy & past'ing instructions?
[10:08] <nico8481> g14, should be a problem with nautilus' burning tool... :-/
[10:08] <Brunellus> spo0nman:  if it were a permissions problem, I should be able to sudo grip and access /dev/cdrom
[10:08] <Brunellus> right?
[10:08] <nico8481> it worked under fedora however... dunno :-/
[10:08] <Envite> Hello all. I _maybe_ have just found a bug in some package dependences.
[10:08] <spo0nman> Brunellus, yes.
[10:09] <zenlunatic> Funraiser: Tried xine. Still no sound but choppyness is gone.
[10:09] <Funraiser> gregg_, well u can copy/past and u can try to understand what that means
[10:09] <janolap1> I need help... please help me... I can't make my WG311v2 card working with my DHCP router (without WEP)...
[10:09] <Brunellus> spo0nman:  guess what?  I just did sudo grip and it still won't read the raw cdrom
[10:09] <zenlunatic> janolap1: Is that wireless?
[10:09] <Brunellus> what puzzles me is that only Soundjuicer can do it
[10:09] <gregg_> Funraiser, but you can also copy & paste and don't do it... that's my point
[10:09] <spo0nman> Brunellus, if you cant do that then make sure that /dev/cdrom *is* the real drive.
[10:09] <zenlunatic> My sound works just not when playing dvds. Anyone know why?
[10:10] <Funraiser> gregg_, ok but when I do it, i try to understand what that means
[10:10] <Envite> Can somebody here use the Ubunto Bugzilla?
[10:10] <gregg_> so LFS _may_ give you a better understanding of how everything works, but it doesn't have to
[10:10] <spo0nman> Brunellus, maybe /dev/cdrom is not pointing to the hardware ...
[10:10] <Brunellus> that might be it.
[10:10] <janolap1> ZenLunatic : Yes, It's wireless and is supposed to work like a charm... but It is recongnized but can't connect to my wireless network.
[10:10] <Brunellus> Soundjuicer shows the hardware name:
[10:10] <gregg_> Funraiser, I just think many guys install LFS by simple copy&pasting because its cool and l33t
[10:10] <Brunellus> CD-W58E
[10:10] <zenlunatic> janolap1: iwconfig eth1 mode managed essid network
[10:11] <Brunellus> but everything else I use points to /dev/cdrom
[10:11] <zenlunatic> janolap1: dhclient eth1
[10:11] <Tallia1> hi guys....... i need hard help on autofs........ someone could help me?? andrea.
[10:11] <Brunellus> there isn't anything in soundjuicer that tells me if it's using /dev/cdrom
[10:11] <Funraiser> zenlunatic, i know that this page fixes many sound problems http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly but since you are on ubuntu ppc i don't know if that will work
[10:11] <spo0nman> Brunellus, no, i mean /dev/hdb or hdc or hdd or whatever it really is.
[10:12] <Brunellus> h'm.  weird.  where would I find that?
[10:12] <Brunellus> in fstab?
[10:12] <Tallia1> hmm
[10:12] <spo0nman> Brunellus, ls -lah /dev/cdrom
[10:12] <Brunellus> k
[10:12] <Envite> Can somebody here get the note about the bug?
[10:12] <janolap1> ZenLunatic : I have to write this in a root terminal ?
[10:12] <zenlunatic> janolap1: Yes.
[10:12] <Brunellus> well fiddle dee dee
[10:12] <Envite> Or is there some e-mail I can send it to?
[10:12] <spo0nman> Envite, what bug?
[10:12] <Brunellus> no such file or directory
[10:12] <zenlunatic> Funraiser: My sound works just not on the dvds.
[10:13] <Funraiser> gregg_, I came to linux in part because i wanted to be in control,so LFS is just one more step in that direction
[10:13] <Envite> spo0nmam: package blt version 2.4z-3ubuntu1
[10:13] <zenlunatic> Funraiser: Looks like I'll have to dual boot OS X for dvds.
[10:13] <spo0nman> Brunellus, there you go. go to /dev and try to figure out which one is your cdrom.
[10:13] <janolap1> ZenLunatic: if my wifi card is wlan0, should I replace eth1 with wlan0 ?
[10:13] <zenlunatic> Funraiser: Its just sad because I'm going on a trip tommorow and need to watch dvds.
[10:13] <gregg_> Funraiser, that's perfectly ok. I guess you don't use an LFS system anymore, though?
[10:13] <spo0nman> Encrypted, whats the bug?
[10:13] <zenlunatic> janolap1: Your wireless card shouldn't be wlan0
[10:13] <Funraiser> well if u don't mind double booting
[10:13] <Brunellus> spo0nman, how on earth do I do that?
[10:13] <zenlunatic> janolap1: Try ifconfig and see whats listed.
[10:13] <Tallia1> hi guys...... i has some truble with autofs........ someone could help me ? andre
[10:14] <Brunellus> i've got an assload of devices here...
[10:14] <Envite> It provides blt-common (no version), depends blt-common (no version) and conflicts blt-common (no version)
[10:14] <Funraiser> gregg_, well not yet, i'm using linux for only like 2 months...
[10:14] <dash> anyone here know stuff about putting multiple partitions on a USB keydrive?
[10:14] <dash> "cfdisk /dev/sda" segfaults here
[10:14] <tanek> have any of you been able to compile a custom kernel?
[10:14] <Envite> Is that natural? my apt cried about that
[10:14] <james_> dash, fdisk
[10:14] <spo0nman> Brunellus, put a damn data cd in and look at /var/log/messages or see the logs of automount to check what hardware it mounts
[10:14] <dash> james: fdisk just hangs :)
[10:14] <janolap1> ZenLunatic : I have 2 cards listed in : eth0 and wlan, but I have only 1 card... the wireless one recongnized as wlan0
[10:14] <Tallia1> hi guys...... i has some truble with autofs........ someone could help me ? andre
[10:14] <catch-> has anyone who's using breezy experienced a problem with fonts after doing an update today? It's stoping x starting
[10:14] <tanek> when i try to extract the source it sais nu such file or directory about every file
[10:14] <spo0nman> Brunellus, it has to be hdb hdd or hdc
[10:15] <dash> Tallia1: that's a very vague question
[10:15] <zenlunatic> janolap1: Well yeah replace eth1 with wlan in that command.
[10:15] <zenlunatic> janolap1: I've just always seen linux network devices listed as eth.
[10:15] <james_> dash, both fdisk and cfdisk crash?
[10:15] <benone> wheres gtk-config on hoary ?
[10:15] <_simple> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:15] <_simple> what headers do i need ?
[10:15] <zenlunatic> janolap1: I thought wlan was only on bsd.
[10:15] <_simple> the 2.6.10-5-386?
[10:15] <_simple> that's uname -a
[10:15] <zenlunatic> Funraiser: Its gay that I have to break the law to watch a dvd on linux.
[10:16] <mjr> benone, libgtk1.2-dev (apt-file is your friend)
[10:16] <spo0nman> Envite, i have a bugzilla account if you post me a bug report i can post it verbetim ... i dont have a clue what you're talking about.
[10:16] <Funraiser> it's gay?
[10:16] <Envite> ok
[10:16] <zenlunatic> Funraiser: Stupid.
[10:16] <mjr> benone, the newer gtks use pkg-config
[10:16] <klaas> does anyone play tuxracer? i'm stuk in level 3
[10:16] <janolap1> Okay, and the keywork "network" in your command is my ssid name (for me "Wifi") ?
[10:16] <Brunellus> ok.  spo0nman:  the device is at /hdc
[10:16] <zenlunatic> janolap1: correct
[10:16] <spo0nman> Brunellus, so ln -s /dev/hdc to /dev/cdrom
[10:16] <Tallia1> dash: ok..... the problem is that in the autofs configuration table
[10:16] <catch-> if anyone doesn't mind helping please let me know
[10:17] <james_> catch-, what's up?
[10:17] <Tallia1> dash: i've inserted the following line.. usb     -fstype=auto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=001        :/dev/sda
[10:17] <janolap1> ZenLunatic : So I have to type : iwconfig wlan0 mode managed essid Wifi
[10:17] <zenlunatic> janolap1: Indeed.
[10:17] <Tallia1> because the mounting of /dev/sda works fine..
[10:17] <janolap1> ZenLunatic : Then : dhclient wlan0
[10:17] <zenlunatic> janolap1: yes
[10:17] <dash> weird, fdisk works now.
[10:17] <Funraiser> are u insulting gays, that's so redneck-ish , where u from?
[10:17] <janolap1> Cool, I reboot the PC and try your tips.
[10:17] <Tallia1> but when i try to make the autobuild... this error is printed in the syslog
[10:17] <zenlunatic> I thought wlan was only for bsd wireless devices. When did linux start using them?
[10:17] <catch-> james_ I did an update earlyer today and someone else then logged in and out of gnome
[10:18] <janolap1> ZenLunatic : Many thanks...
[10:18] <zenlunatic> janolap1: Does it work?
[10:18] <catch-> james_ it then stoped working, I'm getting errors about fonts
[10:18] <Brunellus> spo0nman:  ta very very VERY muchly
[10:18] <Tallia1> May 18 22:07:40 localhost automount[12192] : >> mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[10:18] <Brunellus> surreal.
[10:18] <james_> catch-, weird, did you finish updating?
[10:18] <Tallia1> dash: have you understand the problem
[10:18] <janolap1> ZenLunatic : I don't know yet, I have to reboot the PC (I am under XP).
[10:18] <Brunellus> the link went pouf when I upgraded from warty
[10:19] <zenlunatic> janolap1: Okay good luck.
[10:19] <catch-> I've tried recreating my xorg conf, incase it is a problem in there, (I did finish updating and did another one just and I had a lot of fonts come down in it)
[10:19] <danko123456> I did my dishes, yay.
[10:19] <zenlunatic> Why doesn't my sound work when playing dvds?
[10:19] <danko123456> :)
[10:19] <catch-> james_ recreating xorg didn't help, I've tried reinstalling xfont-base (typo?)
[10:20] <catch-> I'm not sure what else to try
[10:20] <james_> catch-, did you use a font server? xfs-xtt maybe?
[10:20] <catch-> xfs was installed in the update
[10:20] <Brunellus> at last.  I can use grip again!
[10:20] <catch-> james_ and it's running
[10:21] <james_> catch-, hmm, so what errors are you getting?
[10:21] <_simple> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux which headers to install with this kernel?
[10:21] <gregg_> I have a strange problem with flash: works fine, but fonts do not display
[10:21] <catch-> Fatal server error:
[10:21] <catch-> could not open default font 'fixed';
[10:21] <catch-> the X server's font paths might be misconfigured, remote font server(s)
[10:21] <catch-> may be unreachable, and/or local fonts may not be installed or are not
[10:21] <catch-> configured correctly.
[10:21] <gregg_> I couldn't find anything about this issue, what fonts does it need?
[10:22] <JairunCaloth> what's the command to install a .deb package?
[10:22] <alexander_> What to type to open a list file
[10:22] <james_> dpkg -i .deb
[10:22] <alexander_> Source.list
[10:23] <james_> catch-, hmmm
[10:23] <catch-> I do have other font related errors above if you want me to paste
[10:23] <_bt> hello. can anyone help me set my screen resolution. i can only select from 640x80.
[10:23] <countzzzz> alexander_, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:23] <_bt> 640x480 sorry
[10:23] <james_> catch-, sure
[10:24] <alexander_> Ty
[10:24] <danko123456> its just a text file, so...
[10:24] <catch-> james_ would it be better to paste in a pm, save cluttering the #?
[10:24] <james_> _bt, what are your horizontal and vertical refresh rates?
[10:24] <countzzzz> JairunCaloth, dpkg i package name (i think)
[10:24] <james_> catch-, yes
[10:24] <_bt> im not sure james_ , im using a laptop
[10:24] <danko123456> -i
[10:24] <james_> _bt, you'll want to set them in your XF86Config-4
[10:24] <james_> or xorgconfig, whichever you use
[10:25] <tritium> please don't use xorgconfig
[10:25] <tritium> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:25] <alexander_> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:25] <alexander_>  is that correct?
[10:25] <countzzzz> alexander_, checking
[10:25] <alexander_> Dident work for me
[10:25] <lotusleaf> is kde-core and kde-base good enough to login to kde in ubuntu or do I need to download kde as well in synaptic?
[10:26] <klaas> hi all, i've got a ti 4200, when i worked in windows i could controll the fan speed
[10:26] <_hp_> what plugins i need to play wmv and mpg files for totem?
[10:26] <klaas> but can you do that on linux too?
[10:26] <Riddell> lotusleaf: kde-core is fine
[10:26] <countzzzz> alexander_, yes sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:26] <lotusleaf> Riddell, thanks again ;)
[10:26] <alexander_> Countzzzz did you eneter the file?
[10:27] <alexander_> Worked now
[10:27] <countzzzz> alexander_, if you don't have that file theres something wrong
[10:27] <Kartagis> I have problems with gstream desyncing audio and video in video files. how to solve this?
[10:27] <eruin> hey lads... do any of you know how to tell grub to make ubuntu boot in non-graphical mode? X is kind of frying my computer atm
[10:27] <alexander_> It worked :D
[10:27] <_bt> james_ my xorg.conf seems okay, it has 800x600 in there, and my correct g.card
[10:28] <_bt> i just dont know how to set the resolution away from 640x480
[10:28] <alexander_> What should i do to be able or auth to everything now?
[10:28] <gregg_> eruin, adjust /etc/inittab
[10:28] <james_> _bt, does it have the horizontal and vertical refresh rates in it?
[10:28] <alexander_> bt I have the same prob but im locked to 1024
[10:28] <tritium> eruin, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[10:28] <james_> _bt, for xfree86, you need to tell it what the horizontal and vertical refresh rates your monitor can support in XF86Config-4
[10:28] <tritium> do _not_ edit inittab
[10:28] <gregg_> eruin, or simply take a look at the fle and supply the init level as an option for the kernel
[10:28] <_bt> no it doesnt, james_ , i honestly dont know what they are to be honest
[10:29] <_bt> cos im running a laptop
[10:29] <alexander_> James you seem to be good, help me as well
[10:29] <gregg_> tritium, well, it would work, wouldn't it?
[10:29] <tritium> no
[10:29] <eruin> I tried appending 3 to the kernel boot line, but to no avail.. X is started and my machine crashes :)
[10:29] <tritium> eruin, debian doesn't use runlevels in that way.  gdm starts in runlevel 2
[10:29] <eruin> oh.. so I need level 1
[10:29] <eruin> thanks :)
[10:29] <tritium> eruin, no, that's single user
[10:30] <alexander_> james, Im locked to 60hz and 1024 what should I do?
[10:30] <james_> _bt, http://www.arl.wustl.edu/~mgeorg/linuxOnLaptop/xorg.conf.html
[10:30] <tritium> eruin, see the URL I gave you.  You want to use update-rc.d
[10:30] <Funraiser> danko123456, well i spent 2 months in canada i remember
[10:30] <danko123456> rather, you are lucky you are not in Canada...
[10:30] <eruin> tritium: I cant get into my system at all
[10:30] <james_> _bt, look at the monitor section
[10:30] <Funraiser> danko123456, where are u in canada?
[10:30] <Kartagis> I have problems with gstream desyncing audio and video in video files. how to solve this?
[10:31] <tritium> eruin, then you will need to boot into single-user mode to fix things up
[10:31] <james_> Kartagis, try using xine?
[10:31] <eruin> tritium: yeah... just append a 1 to the boot line, right? thanks mate
[10:31] <klaas> how the hell can i control my fan speeds on my motherboard :s
[10:31] <_bt> okay i can sort that shit out, but i dont know what values to use, what would u recommend for a tft?
[10:32] <tritium> eruin, or, select one of the recovery modes in grub's menu
[10:32] <james_> _bt, what is the max supported resolution?
[10:32] <ivoks> tritium: greetings
[10:32] <tritium> hi ivoks
[10:32] <gregg_> tritium, because the boot manager sets the runlevel in default config? don't have an ubuntu system here right now
[10:32] <_bt> lets say 1024x768
[10:32] <james_> _bt, hmm try googling your laptop, you should be able to dig it up
[10:33] <tritium> gregg_, no, the reason is that debian/ubuntu don't use runlevels in the way that you're thinking
[10:33] <_bt> okay and if it is 1024x768 what hsync and vsync ranges do u suggest?
[10:33] <tritium> gregg_, see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[10:33] <james_> _bt, try HorizSyn 30-90, VertRefresh 50-150
[10:34] <alexander_> james: Need that help tooo
[10:34] <alexander_> Where do i edit it?
[10:34] <_hp_> how do i get wmv files to play in ubuntu?
[10:34] <james_> alexander_, for what?
[10:34] <npiv> Hahahaha, IT works, mplayer is up and running, I dont understand linux sometimes, but just to let you know, if your gonna compile mplayer   'killall esd'  and it flies :)
[10:34] <ivoks> i think debian needs something better then update-rc.d :(
[10:34] <alexander_> Im lokked with 1024 and 60hz
[10:34] <james_> _hp_, get the w32codecs
[10:34] <gregg_> tritium, thanks. I'll have a look at it
[10:34] <alexander_> locked
[10:35] <vampir> hi all
[10:35] <Funraiser> _hp_, xine works
[10:35] <james_> alexander_, xorg or xfree86
[10:35] <_bt> james_, http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/advent/laptop/7255.htm , i am corrected, its 800x600
[10:35] <tritium> gregg_, sure :)
[10:35] <alexander_> gedit or?
[10:35] <Funraiser> it's the one
[10:35] <gregg_> # Runlevel 1 is single-user.
[10:35] <gregg_> # Runlevels 2-5 are multi-user.
[10:35] <gregg_> well, don't see anything odd about it?
[10:36] <danko123456> hey, vampir...
[10:36] <james_> _bt, try hor: 31-53, vertical 60-85
[10:36] <vampir> hi danko123456
[10:37] <_bt> thank you, i shall report back in a sec
[10:37] <danko123456> so, just sucking blood?
[10:37] <tritium> gregg_, gdm starts up in runlevel 2 (see /etc/rc2.d/), for example, not runlevel 3
[10:37] <vampir> danko123456, basically :)
[10:37] <statickaos> in synaptic i try to search for gdesklets and it shows nothing, is there some repositories i need to add to get more pakages?
[10:37] <danko123456> :)
[10:37] <gregg_> tritium, that's exactly like I was thinking it would work
[10:38] <vampir> watching desperate housewives :P
[10:38] <gregg_> i'd simply change the default runlevel
[10:38] <tritium> gregg_, no, that's exactly why it won't work
[10:39] <klaas> hi all
[10:40] <klaas> i just installed lm-sensors
[10:40] <klaas> how do i start it up?
[10:40] <Funraiser> Klass, it's a gdesklet?
[10:41] <klaus^^^> help problem seting dma
[10:41] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/home/clausme # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda5
[10:41] <klaus^^^> /dev/hda5:
[10:41] <klaus^^^>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[10:41] <klaus^^^>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument
[10:41] <klaus^^^>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[10:41] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/home/clausme #
[10:41] <goldfish_> hmmm
[10:42] <goldfish_> alot of ppl are having that problem
[10:42] <klaas> yeah, me to
[10:42] <klaus^^^> why\
[10:42] <klaus^^^> drive is ide
[10:42] <klaas> does it realy makes such a difference?
[10:42] <klaus^^^> ies
[10:42] <gregg_> klaas, an extreme difference
[10:42] <klaus^^^> help me
[10:42] <klaus^^^> pls
[10:43] <nickrud> klaas, try /dev/hda :)
[10:43] <klaus^^^> help me someone pls
[10:43] <_bt> james_, thank you, sorted it
[10:43] <_bt> worked first time :)
[10:44] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/home/clausme # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[10:44] <klaus^^^> /dev/hda:
[10:44] <klaus^^^>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[10:44] <klaus^^^>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[10:44] <klaus^^^>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[10:44] <klaus^^^> no use nickrud
[10:44] <klaus^^^> nickrud,  no use
[10:44] <klaus^^^> help somwoane
[10:44] <nickrud> klaas, it does here
[10:44] <tritium> klaas, please don't paste so much, especially a repeat
[10:44] <klaas> lol :d
[10:45] <james_> _bt, your welcome
[10:45] <klaas> its klaus
[10:45] <klaas> not klaas
[10:45] <klaas> www.pastebin.com
[10:45] <tritium> sorry klaas :)
[10:45] <klaas> no problem, klaus^^^ --> pastebin.ocm
[10:45] <klaas> no problem, klaus^^^ --> pastebin.COM
[10:46] <klaus^^^> tritium, prv pls
[10:46] <tritium> klaus^^^, can't right now
[10:46] <klaus^^^> hey help over here
[10:46] <klaas> i'm going to bed
[10:46] <klaas> cya all
[10:47] <klaus^^^> pls help me i have to copy 60 gb
[10:47] <klaus^^^> amnd have less than 30 minutes
[10:47] <klaus^^^> time
[10:47] <klaus^^^> and the copy last 5 hours
[10:47] <klaas> ZIP IT
[10:47] <klaus^^^> i realy nedd to set that dma up
[10:47] <tritium> klaus^^^, are you positive it's hda5?
[10:47] <Xappe> anyone knows about an acoustic guitar tuner for linux? (there is one for windows that uses the mic in om the soundcard)
[10:47] <klaus^^^> hda is an ide hard drive
[10:47] <Shadowkid> Does anybody know "Damn Small Linux" ?
[10:47] <klaus^^^> hda6
[10:48] <james_> Xappe, apt-cache search guitar
[10:48] <klaus^^^> hd5 is a partition
[10:48] <goldfish_> Shadowkid: yes
[10:48] <klaus^^^> onb that drive
[10:48] <Shadowkid> Funny!!!
[10:48] <goldfish_> :)
[10:48] <klaus^^^> i hve tried to set dma on hda
[10:48] <klaus^^^> and operaton denied
[10:48] <Shadowkid> Couln't it be smaller?
[10:48] <klaus^^^> operation not permited
[10:48] <klaus^^^> help pls
[10:48] <Riddell> sdsfd: hi
[10:48] <klaus^^^> tritium,
[10:49] <goldfish_> Shadowkid: it could
[10:50] <Shadowkid> My Ubuntu works, but my scanner doesn't
[10:50] <Shadowkid> What can I do...?
[10:50] <Shadowkid> I have to scan something
[10:51] <CarlK> Shadowkid - lsusb
[10:51] <CarlK> I am assuming it is a usb scanner
[10:51] <Shadowkid> Yes, it is
[10:51] <Shadowkid> A Mustek BearPaw 2400 TU
[10:51] <Xappe> thanks james_
[10:51] <CarlK> see what lsusb says
[10:52] <Shadowkid> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 055f:0218 Mustek Systems, Inc. BearPaw 2400 TA
[10:52] <CarlK> cool
[10:52] <CarlK> good start
[10:53] <CarlK> now find that scaner page...
[10:53] <CarlK> um/
[10:53] <wdh> Xappe, did you find one?
[10:53] <wdh> Xappe, it would be nice to have one :)
[10:55] <Shadowki1> Fuck, I flew
[10:55] <Shadowki1> Oh no, my first nickname is still here...
[10:56] <Shadowki1> Well, my scanner still doesn't work
[10:56] <Shadowki1> WHat can I do???
[10:56] <Shadowki1> I can't start xsane
[10:56] <abood> hi all,
[10:56] <Shadowki1> Hi
[10:56] <abood> guys, does any body uses Adobe Acrobat Reader ?
[10:57] <slept> how do I add a line with text to the beginning of a file , sed inserts after each line with sed i\text filename
[10:57] <lotusleaf> abood, yes
[10:57] <abood> i have just installed it and wotn work, with RPM type
[10:57] <Shadowki1> rpm?
[10:57] <abood> lotusleaf, is it working with u ?
[10:57] <Shadowki1> Ubuntu uses deb
[10:57] <Shadowki1> ??
[10:57] <lotusleaf> abood, download a tar or deb
[10:57] <abood> yes i installed it from adobe.com and used alien command to extract it and install it
[10:57] <lotusleaf> abood, oh
[10:58] <lotusleaf> abood, I believe there's a tar or deb to download from their ftp
[10:58] <Shadowki1> http://ubuntuguide.org/#findprogramslibrarieslistubuntu
[10:58] <lotusleaf> abood, would probably work better
[10:58] <Shadowki1> There's an instruction about installing Adobe Reader
[10:58] <abood> lotusleaf, can u give me the link to download it , if u dont mind :)
[10:58] <slept> abood, why not xpdf kpdf gv kgv .... ?
[10:58] <moralescas> hi
[10:59] <lotusleaf> abood, sure, but could you wait 5 minutes please? I'm finishing up a download on 56k and have no bandwidth :)
[10:59] <abood> slept, i need a pdf reader that i can do selecting in it for the text to copy it fir example
[10:59] <ben|laptop> hi everyone
[10:59] <ben|laptop> how do I set the language (not kde, but console output) to english?
[10:59] <Shadowki1> http://ubuntuguide.org/#acroread
[10:59] <lotusleaf> abood, I have a direct link to adobe reader latest one for nix I'll give you, from their ftp
[10:59] <Shadowki1> sudo apt-get install acroread
[10:59] <abood> lotusleaf,  thx dude im waiting :)
[11:00] <abood> Shadowki1, wont work dude
[11:00] <Shadowki1> Why not?
[11:00] <Amaranth> i posted a message in the forums saying to to upgrade breezy, some idiot reads the message and does it anyway, his X dies
[11:00] <lotusleaf> abood, 3 minutes.. almost done ;)
[11:00] <eruin> so much hassle, and all that was needed was a simple fresh, default xorg file ;-)
[11:00] <Amaranth> err, not to upgrade
[11:00] <Riddell> ben|laptop: export LANG=C
[11:01] <eruin> Amaranth: tell him to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then
[11:01] <vicks> when i have prelinked my system, can i still upgrade my programs?
[11:01] <eruin> my X died too in todays xorg upgrades ;)
[11:01] <stuNNed> dudes, adobe 7.0 is pretty nice...the reader that is
[11:01] <sbcl3> can someone help me with partitioning?
[11:01] <Amaranth> stuNNed: Dude, stop upgrading.
[11:01] <eruin> stuNNed: yeah, apart from the printing gui :P
[11:01] <Shadowki1> Adobe suckz, it's slow
[11:01] <sbcl3> i installed linux without making a linux-swap partition
[11:01] <sbcl3> and i made it
[11:01] <eruin> adobe aint slow here
[11:02] <stuNNed> Amaranth: dude, roger that.
[11:02] <sbcl3> will effects follow immediately after?
[11:02] <sbcl3> i'm also wonder how I can rename it
[11:02] <sbcl3> (i'm using gparted)
[11:02] <ben|laptop> Riddell: I don't want it just in one console, but globally, forever!
[11:02] <abood> Shadowki1, Adobe excellent :)
[11:02] <Amaranth> why use acroread when you can use evince?
[11:02] <Shadowki1> Strange
[11:02] <abood> i wish that i can run adobe illustrator or photoshop Cs on ubuntu :)
[11:02] <lotusleaf> abood, one sec
[11:02] <Shadowki1> I hate adobe
[11:02] <abood> lotusleaf, im on the line :)
[11:03] <Shadowki1> It was slow and buggy when I had Windows
[11:03] <Amaranth> sbcl3: No, I'm pretty sure you have to tell linux to use it, no idea how though.
[11:03] <abood> noway never it was buggy
[11:03] <Riddell> ben|laptop: dpkg-reconfigure locales   then set the KDE language back to whatever you want to speak
[11:03] <eruin> I love adobe for photoshop and hate them for not supporting linux with it, however understandable
[11:03] <Shadowki1> Of course, it was
[11:03] <sbcl3> amaranth: how do i do it during an ubuntu installation?
[11:03] <abood> i have a long experince with adobe products, they's so good dude :_
[11:03] <sbcl3> amaranth: if i create the swap drive then, will it take effect?
[11:03] <stuNNed> Amaranth: Dude, but adobe 7.0 reader is pretty scchhwweeeettt
[11:03] <Amaranth> just make sure you create it during installation
[11:03] <Shadowki1> It killed my system sometimes
[11:04] <eruin> dpkg -i adobe_photoshop_cs2_gtk2.deb :)
[11:04] <eruin> that'd be the day
[11:04] <ben|laptop> thanks Riddell
[11:04] <Amaranth> eruin: ha, gtk2
[11:04] <Amaranth> they'd use gtk1 or motif or their own widgets
[11:04] <eruin> Amaranth: heh. haven't seen acroreader 7 have you, you hater!
[11:04] <stuNNed> eruin: LOL
[11:04] <abood> eruin, hahahah that would be the party day
[11:04] <vicks> when i have prelinked my system, can i still upgrade my programs?
[11:05] <Amaranth> eruin: it sure doesn't look like gtk2
[11:05] <eruin> Amaranth: most of it is
[11:05] <eruin> and I love them for it
[11:05] <Amaranth> oh, another reason not to use acroread, the call home feature
[11:05] <sbcl3> does linux _need_ a swap partition?
[11:06] <delire> sbcl3: no
[11:06] <Amaranth> sbcl3: depends on how much ram you have
[11:06] <eruin> sbcl3: not really
[11:06] <stuNNed> eruin, abood: there is always Scribus ;)
[11:06] <sbcl3> i've got 512 mb
[11:06] <sbcl3> should i make a 1gig swap drive?
[11:06] <delire> sbcl3: i would
[11:06] <eruin> no, you shouldnt waste more than 512mb
[11:06] <delire> sbcl3: then i do harddisk recording and a bit of video editing.
[11:06] <eruin> it'll probably never get used anyway
[11:06] <lotusleaf> abood, ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/7x/7.0/enu/
[11:07] <lotusleaf> abood, download the tar in there and use that
[11:07] <abood> lotusleaf, thx sweet
[11:07] <lotusleaf> abood, apologies for taking so long to respond with the link, damn 56k ;(
[11:07] <delire> sbcl3: 512 would be plenty for most purposes
[11:07] <_svullo_> i have just install ubuntu, but i belive it is to few packages in apt. Do i need to add any apt-source manuelly?
[11:07] <sbcl3> eruin: once i make the swap drive? do i have to configure anything?
[11:07] <eruin> lotusleaf: acroread7 is in one of the repos
[11:07] <eruin> sbcl3: nope
[11:07] <lotusleaf> eruin, really?
[11:07] <eruin> sbc13 you're doing this through the installer right?
[11:08] <sbcl3> gparted
[11:08] <delire> sbcl3: just install away
[11:08] <sbcl3> no
[11:08] <sbcl3> i've already installed ubuntu
[11:08] <eruin> lotusleaf: multiverse
[11:08] <sbcl3> i'm using the graphical version of "parted"
[11:08] <sbcl3> eruin: will it still take effect?
[11:08] <delire> sbcl3: ahah, check swap is being used with 'top' and if not 'sudo swapon'
[11:08] <Amaranth> _svullo_: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the lines for universe and multiverse
[11:08] <stuNNed> MOTU!
[11:08] <stuNNed> dudes
[11:08] <lotusleaf> stuNNed, switched from Gentoo to Ubuntu did you? :)
[11:09] <delire> sbcl3: 'sudo swapon -a'
[11:09] <eruin> Amaranth: the acroread7 phonehome feature is in a seperate package called acroread-plugins
[11:09] <Amaranth> is that even legal?
[11:09] <sbcl3> delire: thanks :D
[11:09] <abood> guys, what firewalls r u using, im using firestarter and its boring, i need one more prof, or is there iptables in ubuntu to setup ?
[11:09] <sbcl3> i'm sorry i'm so stupid...i'm relatively new to linux
[11:10] <Shadowki1> sudo apt-get install horny-woman
[11:10] <Amaranth> abood: all those 'firewalls' are just messing with iptables
[11:10] <Shadowki1> :-D
[11:10] <delire> abood: i can reccommend shorewall
[11:10] <eruin> could someone slap people using "r" instead of "are" and "u" instead of "you" ?
[11:10] <delire> sbcl3: aww comeon! have to start somewhere ;)
[11:10] <Shadowki1> Fuck, it doesn't work
[11:10] <eruin> I mean, really, really, really hard
[11:10] <Amaranth> Shadowki1: Watch the language please.
[11:10] <abood> Amaranth, but firestarter sucks always got errors
[11:10] <Shadowki1> Sorry :-D
[11:10] <abood> delire, shorewall is it good ?
[11:10] <Shadowki1> Just kiddin'
[11:10] <_svullo_> Amaranth, thanks :-)
[11:11] <teknoprep> Seveas, yoyo
[11:11] <Ubuntufr944> Does anyone using DI-641+ routeur with a wifi card under hoary ?
[11:11] <delire> abood: excellent. very nice way of setting up policies and defining rules. monitor modes are very sensible and verbose.
[11:11] <lotusleaf> abood, if you have a spare box, toss a floppy distro on there for a firewall ;)
[11:12] <delire> abood: apt-get install shorewall and then for a standalone setup http://www.shorewall.net/standalone.htm
[11:13] <Martsha> hello everyone
[11:13] <goldfish_> hi
[11:13] <slava_> quick bash question: how to do i get string blabla.txt from ~/temp/blabla.txt ? thanks
[11:14] <delire> abood: do you have a two-interface setup?
[11:14] <goldfish_> hmmmmmm
[11:14] <Amaranth> slava_: does it have to be a bash script? :) i do all my scripting with python
[11:14] <stuNNed> lotusleaf: using gentoo and ubuntu both
[11:15] <lotusleaf> stuNNed, bah ;)
[11:15] <Martsha> i'm having a wierd problem with the initial password set during install...
[11:15] <abood> delire, what do u mean by 2 interface setup ?
[11:15] <Martsha> anytime i enter a password, it returns an error and asks for a password again
[11:15] <slava__> its too late to rewrite the script in python
[11:15] <delire> abood: two network interfaces/devices
[11:15] <abood> lotusleaf, "toss a floppy disrto on there for a firewall" ??? whats that mean too :)
[11:15] <Funraiser> Martsha, maybe it's a qwerty azerty error, i had that problem too
[11:16] <Martsha> qwerty azerty?
[11:16] <abood> delire, yes dude
[11:16] <stuNNed> lotusleaf: what's your prob?  it's a free multiverse ;)
[11:16] <Funraiser> Marsha, try to write the password if your keybord was qwerty or azerty
[11:16] <lotusleaf> abood, it means you can have an effective firewall by using a cheap computer with little more than a floppy drive and a floppy based linux distro as your firewall
[11:16] <Kartagis> I have problems with gstream desyncing audio and video in video files. how to solve this?
[11:17] <Funraiser> Martsha, u know what qwerty and azerty is?
[11:17] <Martsha> not a clue :P
[11:17] <delire> abood: ok, see the 'two interface setup' in that case..
[11:18] <Martsha> i get the qwerty part.. standard kb layout.. but you lost me with azerty
[11:18] <delire> abood: http://www.shorewall.net/two-interface.htm
[11:18] <Funraiser> Martsha, ok look at your keybord, the first letters on the top left: is it written qwerty or azerty?
[11:18] <stuNNed> delire: do you use shorewall?
[11:18] <delire> stuNNed: yes
[11:18] <Martsha> qwerty
[11:18] <stuNNed> delire: i've had trouble setting it up to work effectively :\
[11:18] <Funraiser> Martsha, some keybords have azerty layout
[11:18] <Funraiser> mine
[11:19] <Martsha> ahh well this doesn't
[11:19] <factorx> can someone tell me how this amarok song suggestion feature works?
[11:19] <Funraiser> i know
[11:19] <abood> lotusleaf, yes there are many for  that :) but it took much space and cost too much
[11:19] <delire> stuNNed: just have to follow the instructions for a debian based system precisely
[11:19] <Funraiser> Martsha, but when u set your password maybe the system thought u did
[11:19] <lotusleaf> abood, oh
[11:19] <stuNNed> delire: where are those instructions on their site?
[11:19] <abood> lotusleaf,  u can use it for office or company not for a 2 pc's :)
[11:20] <Martsha> funraiser, it accepted a root password fine, but it wouldn't create a normal user by the looks of it
[11:20] <delire> stuNNed: http://www.shorewall.net/standalone.htm for a firewall for a standalone box
[11:20] <Funraiser> Martsha, i still have that problem and i have to type a weird password when i login but not with synaptic
[11:20] <stuNNed> delire: k thnx i'll try again i guess :\
[11:20] <delire> stuNNed: worth it ;)
[11:21] <Funraiser> Martsha, oh ok maybe it's another problem then
[11:21] <stuNNed> delire: k thnx, i always have trouble setting up the NFS ports though :\
[11:22] <rgould> Can anyone recommend an FTP client that has queuing?
[11:22] <lotusleaf> rgould, wget? :)
[11:22] <Martsha> funraiser, must be.. i'm just going to stick with the root account for now until i can find and correct the prob,, thanks for the help though!
[11:22] <abood> guys, i mounted 2 windows partions to my linux the first one goes well but the seconed gives me that there r no /dev/hda1 or its busy
[11:22] <lotusleaf> rgould, just enter the file into a text file, and call it with wget
[11:22] <abood> whats the proplem with it
[11:22] <abood> ?
[11:22] <rgould> Never used it actually. I shall check it out
[11:23] <lotusleaf> rgould, man wget
[11:23] <rgould> thanks
[11:23] <lotusleaf> rgould, also gwget is a gui for wget
[11:23] <lotusleaf> yw
[11:23] <osity> anyone know how to get software raid 1 going that can guide me?
[11:23] <stuNNed> wget roxors dudes
[11:24] <Razor-X> hmmm, I have a question
[11:24] <Razor-X> I have four USB devices plugged in
[11:25] <delire> abood: 'fdisk -l' is /dev/hda1 not the current root partition?
[11:25] <Razor-X> a Printer, a Scanner, and a trackball at startup
[11:25] <sbcl3> i typed 'top' into the console, and for swap i get these readings: "0k total, 0k used, 0k free, 119268 cached'
[11:25] <marios> I am creating a Ubuntu support page
[11:25] <sbcl3> i think something is wrong here
[11:25] <thingfish> I love stinky cheeses.
[11:25] <Razor-X> and, i've just plugged in a MP3 player that uses FAT and is connected via USB
[11:25] <marios> is anyone interested in helping me out? :)
[11:25] <sbcl3> can someone tell me how to activate the swap?
[11:25] <Razor-X> what command should I use in mounting it?
[11:25] <delire> sbcl3: try 'swapon -a'
[11:26] <Razor-X> or should I try hotplug?
[11:26] <delire> sbcl3: you're right, it's not active
[11:26] <sbcl3> delire: alright, done. when will i see an effect?
[11:26] <delire> sbcl3: try top again
[11:26] <Philip> I have a hardware question that I have no other place to ask. I just put a computer together... and i have a problem, when turn on the power supply... the processor, and fans start going on without pressing the power button, what would cause this?
[11:26] <stuNNed> Funraiser: lol ;)
[11:26] <Razor-X> nevermind....
[11:26] <abood> delire, shorewall it seems hard to config :)
[11:27] <sbcl3> delire: i get the same reading
[11:27] <stuNNed> abood: you too?
[11:27] <lotusleaf> abood, try guarddog :)
[11:27] <delire> abood: hmm i didn't find it so bad at all.
[11:27] <sbcl3> delire: when i go to information about my linux-swap, it says its "not active" (this is in gparted)
[11:27] <stuNNed> lotusleaf: guarddog is easier?  is it text based?
[11:27] <sbcl3> does parted allow activation of the linux-swap drive?
[11:28] <stuNNed> lotusleaf: like lokkit or something
[11:28] <lotusleaf> stuNNed, for that particular user who had issues with firestarter, I recommend guarddog, it's a gui.
[11:28] <zkruw> why is the linux version of skype so out of date if you compare to the windows version?
[11:28] <stuNNed> lotusleaf: k thnx
[11:28] <lotusleaf> zkruw, they progress in development differently.
[11:28] <delire> sbcl3: it doesn't need to be activated. reboot after any partition changes.
[11:28] <lotusleaf> zkruw, see the skype forums, the linux subsection
[11:28] <delire> sbcl3: then see if it's up
[11:28] <zkruw> different development teams :)
[11:29] <sbcl3> delire: okay...
[11:29] <zkruw> you get bad sound to?
[11:29] <marios> OK, does anybody want's to join ubuntu support page (unofficial)?
[11:30] <stuNNed> lotusleaf: guarddog is gtk2 based?
[11:30] <lotusleaf> stuNNed, google 'guarddog linux' dude you're on broadband, I'm on 56k. :)
[11:30] <xmaximex> Hi, I'm currently on ubuntu liveCD, and I want to transfer my system from hda to hdb. All partition on hdb are ok, hda1 and hdb1 are mounter under /mnt/old and /mnt/new. If I use cp /mnt/old/* /mnt/new/ is it ok ?
[11:31] <Funraiser> marios, to join?
[11:31] <marios> yes
[11:31] <stuNNed> lotusleaf: sheesh just asked, don't have a pony
[11:31] <marios> help answer the questions,
[11:31] <marios> and help in my ubuntu projects
[11:32] <lotusleaf> stuNNed, lol you know better ;P
[11:32] <Funraiser> it's a forum or an IRC channel?
[11:32] <Philip> If I don't plug in my power plugs into the motherboard will the computer turn on by the switch on the power supply
[11:32] <marios> no, support will be something like: http://support.mozsource.com/
[11:33] <stuNNed> lotusleaf: you can just say 'i don't know'  or can you not admit that?
[11:33] <stuNNed> LOL
[11:33] <stuNNed> lotusleaf: :P
[11:33] <Philip> power switch plugs*
[11:33] <lotusleaf> stuNNed, keep the banter in the usual #creative spot, dude. ;)
[11:33] <topyli> fight! fight!
[11:34] <sbcl3> delire: it didn't work
[11:34] <stuNNed> lotusleaf: what is banter?  *i don't know*
[11:34] <delire> xmaximex: 'cp -r /origin /destination'
[11:34] <abood> delire, man i installed the tar.gz adobe but i cant find the excutable file to run ?!?!
[11:34] <sbcl3> swap is /etc/sda2
[11:34] <sbcl3> is something wrong?
[11:34] <delire> abood: eh?
[11:34] <abood> delire, i wen to the root folder but i didnt find the file
[11:35] <delire> sbcl3: hehe scsi disk.. though may not matter too much ;)
[11:35] <sbcl3> delire: are you sure its 'swapon -a' that does it?
[11:35] <delire> abood: think you've mistaken a conversation with someone else. i know nothing of acroread
[11:36] <delire> sbcl3: i swapoff -a ; swapon -a from time to time yes.
[11:36] <dbasetrinity> hello i have a question for you all...im trying to install flash and a few other things but i can find amd64 sources for them
[11:36] <abood> delire, lol yes sorry :)
[11:36] <sbcl3> delire: what if the device isn't listed in /etc/fstab?
[11:36] <abood> and alread i runned it
[11:36] <dbasetrinity> is there a sourced for flash for amd64 out there
[11:37] <sbcl3> delire: it isn't listed in /etc/fstab
[11:37] <delire> sbcl3: that will be an issue. i have /dev/hda2       none            swap    sw              0       0
[11:37] <sbcl3> i have nothing like that in here
[11:37] <abood> damn acrobat reader its working fine :D
[11:38] <Funraiser> yep
[11:38] <delire> sbcl3: 'fdisk -l | grep swap'
[11:38] <delire> sbcl3: that will list any known swap partitions
[11:38] <sbcl3> delire: where will it list them?
[11:38] <sbcl3> (it didn't list anything)
[11:38] <ztonzy> delire, almost forgot you ;)
[11:39] <delire> sbcl3: ok a problem.. try you have no known swap partitions then.
[11:39] <delire> sbcl3: 'mount -a'
[11:39] <delire> sbcl3: that will mount everything in /etc/fstab
[11:39] <sbcl3> okay
[11:39] <delire> ztonzy: ;)
[11:40] <cyphase> Does anyone know of a list of big companies that use open source software? I'm trying to get someone to switch a school to open source, and they want proof.
[11:40] <cyphase> lol
[11:40] <delire> sbcl3: but if you don't have the entry.. what partitioning tool did you use?
[11:40] <sbcl3> delire: i think i need to log on as root
[11:40] <ztonzy> delire, :) all okej ?
[11:40] <sbcl3> wait...i was on root
[11:40] <segfault> hi all. anyone can help with beagle and breezy?
[11:40] <delire> cyphase: a very big list!
[11:40] <thingfish> cyphase: have them contact the city of Munich.
[11:40] <sbcl3> i might have to be on root completely though
[11:40] <cyphase> lol
[11:40] <sbcl3> delire: "gparted"
[11:40] <cyphase> thingfish, yes, i already have that
[11:40] <delire> ztonzy: v busy busy
[11:40] <Rubin> anyone from utexas here?
[11:41] <sbcl3> delire: i'm going to try logging in as root
[11:41] <ztonzy> delire, good good...I got vacation myself :)  went to IKEA today
[11:41] <ztonzy> delire, been thinking to go to Copenhagen before it ends
[11:41] <Edu> Hi
[11:42] <delire> cyphase: there are lists around. hmm check here for FOSS educational software itself http://richtech.ca/seul/
[11:42] <slept> cyphase, microsoft servers
[11:42] <slept> :)
[11:42] <lotusleaf> ztonzy, Copenhagen is a very nice dip tobacco brand. ;)
[11:42] <cyphase> lol
[11:42] <delire> ztonzy: ahah, well look me up!
[11:42] <cyphase> slept, you mean netcraft?
[11:42] <ztonzy> delire, weeeell...how where :D ?
[11:42] <sbcl3> delire: do i have to mount the swap drive somewhere?
[11:42] <delire> cyphase: what FOSS do you want them to run?
[11:42] <ztonzy> lotusleaf, is ?  heh...it is also a Capitol !
[11:43] <delire> sbcl3: you need to find out what your swap partition is first ;)
[11:43] <cyphase> delire, Firefox and OpenOffice at first
[11:43] <cyphase> that would be a good start
[11:43] <cyphase> but they have something against open source in general
[11:43] <ztonzy> lotusleaf, tobacco isnt something that comes to my mind when thinking of Copenhagen ;)
[11:43] <sbcl3> delire: its /dev/sda2....
[11:43] <ztonzy> delire, how to find you? Yellow pages? :P
[11:44] <delire> abood: don't msg me :! /dev/hda1 isn't your current active linux partition?
[11:44] <lotusleaf> ztonzy, pity ;)
[11:44] <ztonzy> lotusleaf, dislike it
[11:44] <ztonzy> :) tobacco
[11:44] <glenn> hi folks
[11:44] <lotusleaf> ztonzy, it's delicious
[11:45] <ztonzy> lotusleaf, I like chocolate instead and coffee :)
[11:45] <lotusleaf> ztonzy, my limbs dance freely like a wiggling pile of worms when I have tobacco
[11:45] <delire> ztonzy: look me up at the itu.dk is best. or better mail me a couple of days before you arrive.
[11:45] <ztonzy> delire, that would might be now then!
[11:45] <delire> lotusleaf: that's The Plague AFAIK
[11:45] <ztonzy> delire, been thinking of going friday before lunch
[11:46] <lotusleaf> delire, so is car exhaust but people gladly inhale it every day
[11:46] <abood> delire, /dev/hda1 the windows partion, and /dev/hda7 the linux one
[11:46] <ztonzy> delire, already found you ;)
[11:46] <WldRbit> Do I need to do something special to be able to write an audio cd?
[11:47] <lotusleaf> WldRbit, a cdrom drive
[11:47] <WldRbit> lotusleaf, todo something, not just something
[11:47] <sbcl3> delire: i'm logged on as root
[11:47] <nmorse> No, but I reccomend K3B for it, WIdRbit
[11:47] <WldRbit> what program comes with ubuntu ?
[11:47] <nmorse> Install K3B
[11:47] <lotusleaf> WldRbit, sorry, a cdrom burner.
[11:47] <WldRbit> nmorse, it says that the cdrom is locked
[11:47] <sbcl3> delire: how do i verify with some other program other than parted that i have a linux-swap partition made?
[11:47] <cardador> WldRbit: try graveman or gnomebaker
[11:48] <nmorse> Hmmm. Maybe the permissions on the device are screwed up?
[11:48] <delire> abood: type 'mount' what is the mountpoint for /dev/hda1?
[11:48] <WldRbit> nmorse, that's what crossed my mind
[11:49] <slept> sbcl3, cfdisk - you can swapon /dev/hd..
[11:49] <delire> sbcl3: fdisk -l is as close as it gets
[11:49] <delire> slept: or just swapon -a
[11:49] <stevenj> Can someone tell me what to do.  (hoary) Totem gstreamer (W32 COdecs) -- does'nt work in Firefox (I kow totem-xine will with mozplugger) - has anyone tried a backport or brezzy totem gstreamer?  Thanks
[11:49] <nmorse> WldRbit: do a chmod 660 or 666 on /dev/hd*
[11:49] <sbcl3> delire: what about sda?
[11:49] <nmorse> If it's an ide device
[11:50] <delire> sbcl3: no idea how you did that!
[11:50] <sbcl3> delire: here's what i get from that
[11:50] <sbcl3> "/dev/sda2            2433        2559     1020127+  83  Linux
[11:50] <sbcl3> "
[11:50] <sbcl3> it thinks its regular linux, apparently
[11:50] <stevenj> I can not do my calculas homework without .ram stream
[11:51] <sidjp> please help me! i cant record cd in my computer wich k3b
[11:51] <sbcl3> delire: how do i make a swap partition through fdisk?
[11:51] <sbcl3> (or reformat /dev/sda2
[11:51] <sbcl3> )
[11:51] <topyli> stevenj: now you got me insterested in totem/mozplugger. :) got a link on how to do it?
[11:51] <Guim_> anyone could give a good texte editor that : exists to run under windows AND ubuntu, can read and save UTF8 ? thanks for any help !
[11:51] <tanek> sbcl3: if you can, try qtparted
[11:51] <martini> hey, anyone know how well d-link wireless pcmcia cards and ubuntu play together?
[11:51] <sbcl3> alright
[11:52] <delire> sbcl3: sorry, it's too late here for me to get involved with this. i'd use cfdisk myself, i just use fdisk -l to list known partitions.
[11:52] <stevenj> topyli, yes and it works! however I find it a dirty method and I like gstreamer :)
[11:52] <topyli> gstreamer would be ideal of course
[11:52] <sbcl3> tanek: does qtparted have a graphical interface?
[11:52] <stevenj> topyli, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17727    --- I tested it--it works
[11:52] <sidjp> the program says error device unlocking drive
[11:52] <delire> ztonzy: night, mail me before you arrive. a bit of notice is good. i'm teaching all day.
[11:52] <topyli> thanks stevenj
[11:53] <stevenj> np
[11:53] <tanek> sbcl3: yep, its much like partitionmagic
[11:53] <sidjp> could not unlock cd drive
[11:53] <ztonzy> delire, sure !
[11:53] <slept> Guim_, cygwin to use linux(gnu) under win
[11:53] <delire> to the rest, fame and riches.
[11:53] <abood> delire, /dev/hda1 on /media/C: type ntfs (rw,umask=0222), sorry for lating
[11:53] <compmanio36> hey all, my hard drive crashed, and I have to rebuild, so I figured I would just install Ubuntu, but I am wondering if I could still run some of my games under Linux, and if so, which would be better, Wine or Cedega
[11:53] <sbcl3> tanek: can it make a linux swap partition?
[11:53] <sbcl3> hopefully better than gparted can
[11:54] <sbcl3> tanek: how do i run qparted?
[11:54] <sbcl3> *qtparted
[11:54] <sbcl3> ah
[11:54] <sbcl3> got it working
[11:54] <lotusleaf> compmanio36, native linux games like enemy territory
[11:54] <Guim_> ths slept,
[11:54] <tanek> sbcl3: sudo apt-get install qtparted then run it, start command is qtparted i think. its an easy GUI, you'll see how to use it
[11:54] <tanek> going to bed now, good luck
[11:55] <Guim_> this is probably not the easiest solution ... :)
[11:55] <lotusleaf> compmanio36, otherwise try asking for opinions in #winehq or #cedega
[11:55] <Guim_> there is no open source project of a simple editor like this?
[11:55] <CrazyNorman> If i'm using a laptop, how do I enable both a Com mouse and a Touch pad (and switch between them automatically)?
[11:55] <sbcl3> tanek: it just crashed :/
[11:56] <slept> sbcl3, your swap shoule be ok sda is sata , just swapon /dev/sda2
[11:56] <sbcl3> okay
[11:56] <sbcl3> i'll try that
[11:56] <tanek> sbcl3: are you running it as root? running a livecd?
[11:56] <sbcl3> thanks
[11:56] <tanek> it wont work from a live cd, as i painfully experienced last week
[11:56] <slept> sbcl3, to verify if it worked cat /proc/swaps
[11:56] <sbcle_> YES! swap working!
[11:56] <sbcle_> thanks everyone
[11:56] <slept> sbcl3, now add it to fstab
[11:57] <sbcle_> how can i do that easily, slept?
[11:57] <Cine> Registry is not present or it is corrupted, please update it by running gst-register   <---- anyone know what in the hell that means?
[11:58] <sbcle_> another question:why does it say 0k is used?
[11:58] <Cine> I'm trying to run the volume control
[11:58] <slept> sbcl3, just add  /dev/sda2       none            swap    sw              0       0
[11:59] <sbcle_> slept: i'll go log in as root now