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Riddellhttp://opensourceversus.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=199&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0  kubuntu user spotted12:07
amuhehe12:12
uniqphew. finally got X back. updated breezy and THEN read all the warnings.. always learning the hard way.12:24
Riddelldoko, amu: new qt on it's way12:55
dokocool!12:55
amurocks, it was the int/long problem ? 01:31
Riddellyep01:32
datohow's the kubuntu repository coming?01:38
Riddelldoko: waiting on kdelibs then dbus01:49
amusoo time for bed ;) n8@all04:18
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JRemorning ;)10:07
JRehttp://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/kftpgrabber if someone wants to check the package 10:24
KaiLFTP-Client?10:38
KaiLah, arts and aspell are gcc4 :)10:42
JReKaiL: yes10:42
JReKaiL: a very good one10:42
KaiLlooks really good10:45
KaiLno localisations for now?10:45
JReKaiL: no :(10:45
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KaiLas konversation and amarok... 10:46
JReKaiL: yeah i will tell the upsteam that it would certainly be a great feature ;)10:47
KaiLI guess, they know :)10:47
JReKaiL: I guess to :)10:47
JRes/to/too10:47
JReKaiL: i had trouble packaging it because upstream furnished the debian dir in the official tarball ;)10:49
RiddellJRe: probably best just to remove the upstream debian directory from the .orig10:50
JReRiddell: that's what i have done10:50
JReRiddell: i tell the upstream and he kicked it out, i waited for anonsvn to refresh, took a snapshot nd packaged ;)10:50
Riddellcool :)10:53
KaiLhmm, server problems?10:55
JReKaiL: which server?10:59
KaiLpeople.ubuntu.com and cdimages10:59
KaiL-s10:59
KaiLand as it looks, bugzilla too11:00
JReKaiL: yeah it seems :(11:04
Riddelland most importantly kubuntu.org!11:04
JReRiddell: :( :( :(11:05
KaiLwww.ubuntu.com too - slashdotted?11:05
Riddellno, it'll be an issue with the datacentre11:06
KaiLwow, on distrowatch ubuntu is FAR ahead of every other distribution11:21
JReKaiL: really ???12:11
KaiLyes12:11
KaiLubuntu+kubuntu > Mandriva + SuSE12:11
JRekooooooool ;)12:11
JReKaiL: wow and ubuntu is #112:12
KaiLa biiiig #112:12
JReyeah ;)12:13
JRewith pid still gorwing 12:13
JRes/gorwing/growing/12:13
JRehow and ubuntu.com has comed back12:17
KaiLgood12:18
KaiLinteresting about distrowatch: >50% of the top10-users have a debian based system12:18
KaiLmuch more than for rpm :)12:19
JReKaiL: hopefully, given than it's the best depency system i have ever seen ;)12:20
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Riddelldoko: can I get the sources to your kdelibs package?01:34
dokoRiddell: messed up, pleae get it from the bug report. I'll attach the one for disabling -fvis as well01:35
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JReyup01:46
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nanomadhi all!02:30
JRehi02:31
nanomadanyone had problems with xorg recently?02:31
nanomadit seems that all xorg is being updated....02:32
dokoRiddell, amu: updated 10827, please find out how to patch the configure script ;-)02:43
amumoin' 03:02
JRe'niom03:02
Riddelldoko: the patch needs to be made to admin/acinclude.m4 03:33
Riddellthen run make -f admin/Makefile.common cvs03:34
Riddellamu, haggai: any idea how the 98_buildprep.diff patch is made?03:34
Riddellactually dato will know :)03:34
dokoRiddell: yes, please upload03:34
dokoRiddell: the patch _is_ made to admin/acinclude.m403:35
Riddelldoko: the one I have from bugzilla is to kdelibs-3.4.0/acinclude.m4  not kdelibs-3.4.0/admin/acinclude.m403:36
Riddellsomewhere along the way there's a  cp admin/acinclude.m4 acinclude.m403:37
dokoahh, ok03:37
Riddellthen autoconf makes the configure script03:37
dokoyes, and then debian/rules clean doesn't work anymore03:37
dokofix it ;)03:37
RiddellI'll take a look at that03:38
Riddellarts seems to depend on qt, wonder why03:38
Riddellno qt build logs on amd64 or ia64, silly buildds03:39
haggaiRiddell: you run debian/rules buildprep and then make a diff03:39
haggaiRiddell: I didn't bother since the changes get included in the .diff.gz automatically and I didn't see a big need for the seperate patch file since its all autogenerated anyway03:40
haggaiRiddell: so I just ran buildprep before creating the source package03:40
Riddellhaggai: yeah, I think it's just trying to keep the .diff.gz cleaner03:41
Riddellbut I don't know if having the changes in a patch is actually any cleaner03:41
haggaiRiddell: my thoughts exactly.  The .diff.gz is a lot uglier with the included patch03:41
haggaiif you actually try to read it03:41
dokoRiddell: uploaded a new arts, if it still fails, please contact lamont and/or fix it yourself. I'm away for the rest of the day04:57
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alleeJRe, Riddel: I've now debian and hoary pkg of konference.  Tried konference <-> konference not working here.05:24
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alleeI used svn version because alpha2 needs some more fixes.  I've send my fixes upstream and asked for help.05:25
JReallee: wow ;)05:25
Riddellallee: well done for trying 05:25
Riddellallee: what are the depends?05:25
JReallee: where are the packages ;) ?05:27
alleeOkay.  I upload.  Wait ...05:27
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allee.. upstream, and a bit debian05:29
JRe:)05:29
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JReit still in early stage05:29
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JReallee: so was it hard to compile ?05:33
alleeJRe: Not that hard.  Only annoying finding out there unresolved symbols are from ;)  See konference-devel list archive05:35
JReallee: ;)05:36
Riddellgot kdebase compiled ok with gcc 4, unfortunatly I can't get X working in my chroot so I don't know if the programs actually run05:36
Riddellah cool, qt successful everywhere05:38
RiddellI'll wait on arts before uploading kdelibs05:39
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amucool, where i can get your sources? 05:40
JReRiddell: cool05:41
amuJRe: someone tested your package ? 05:42
JRenop 05:42
amucan do it if you want 05:44
Riddellamu: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/kdelibs/05:44
JReyeah i need feedback to know what things i have to rework05:44
JRei have tried to do as clean as i could05:44
Riddellamu: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/kdebase/05:45
Riddellthey need tidying05:45
amu apt-get install arts05:45
amuReading package lists... Done05:45
amuBuilding dependency tree... Done05:45
amuThe following extra packages will be installed:05:45
amu  libarts1c2 libartsc0 libqt3c102-mt05:45
amuSuggested packages:05:45
amu  libqt3c102-mt-psql libqt3c102-mt-mysql libqt3c102-mt-odbc05:45
amuRecommended packages:05:45
amu  akode05:45
amuThe following NEW packages will be installed:05:46
amu  arts libarts1c2 libartsc0 libqt3c102-mt05:46
Riddellamu: that because it compiled before qt on amd64, you'll need to wait for the new arts or compile yourself05:47
amunp, compiled in past myself, it's a waste of time, depends against too much, i can wait *g*  05:48
JRehow many time it takes to compile arta ?05:51
JRes/arta/arts/05:51
alleekonference deb and src in fresh archive: http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/experimental/Pkgs.php06:05
amuJRe: kftpgrabber_0.6.0svn20050518-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb06:05
amuJRe: kftpgrabber_0.6.0+svn20050518-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb06:06
JReallee: thaaaaaaaanks :)06:06
JReamu: okay06:06
JReamu: in fact it's kftpgrabber_0.6.0beta2+svn20050518-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb should i put that?06:07
alleekonference changelog lists an debian/hoary lib difference.   Have not looked in detail why this happens.06:08
JRewhen it's a beta the debian version have to be version~beta1+svn20050519 ?06:11
amuJRe: if you add svn20050518 is enouth. I guess it#s a svn checkout from 20050518 ?  06:11
JReamu: yeah exactly06:11
JReamu: i had to do a checkout because the official tarball shipped a debian dir and i had to made the upstream kicked it ou06:12
amui'm not sure, if multiple + are allowd ex. kftpgrabber_0.6.0+beta2+svn20050518-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb06:12
JReamu: okay i'll call it kftpgrabber_0.6.0+svn20050518-0ubuntu0.106:13
amudo you want write an ITP for debian?   06:17
JReyeah for kat (yet done) and kftpgrabber (but problem someone has done that one year before and still no news!)06:19
JReamu: moreover the upstream have never heard about the man who post ITP the for kftpgrabber06:19
JReamu: there is other bad thing i have to fix in the package?06:20
amuJRe: works like this, you write to the bug, and tell him, you packaged it, if he's still interessed in that, give him 1 week time to answer    06:20
JReamu: koay i do that06:21
amuif he's not answering, write that you'll do it now.  06:22
amueverything should be documented in the bug. If he's still not answering, upload the new package and close the bug.   06:23
JReamu: i can't upload the package ;)06:27
amuJRe: dont forget to tell it upstream, his packages is going into kubuntu/debian :)  06:27
JReamu: yeah i already told it that i was making it for the both systems06:28
amu? why you can't upload it? 06:29
JRebecause i'm far to be a DD06:31
amubut you're are a motu?   06:31
JReamu: no 06:31
amunot now ... but you want?  06:32
JReyeah i'll be great if you think i package celan enough06:32
amudid you read th motu pages? 06:33
amuyep, it's fine enough 06:33
JRei read some of them06:34
amuand? if you have a bit time for maintaing your packages ... would be perfect     06:35
JRei'm pretty interested in mainting my packages and i have enough time06:35
JReit will be with great pleasure to be helpful06:36
alleeJRe: What version do you plan to use for 0.6.0 final?  ('cause 0.6.0 < 0.6.0+snv...)06:37
JReallee: yeah you're right06:37
alleeall: is '~' okay for breezy (it will be for etch AFAIU)06:37
JReallee: what name should i give?06:39
alleeI favour 0.6.0~beta2  ( + svnYYYYYMMDD )  if '~' will be okay 06:40
JReallee: okay thanks :)06:40
alleeother use 0.5.99+beta2 or  0.5+0.6beta206:41
JReallee: 0.5.99+svn20050518 should be fine.06:42
alleeJRe: Hmm, a future 0.5.99+beta3 < 0.5.99+svn20050518.   So I would insert a +beta2.  Otherwise you have to stick to 'svn...' numbering until release06:45
JReallee: yeah you're right 06:45
alleeamu: '~' okay?06:46
=== allee loves '~'
JRei hope ~ is okay, although it's not on italian keyboards ;)06:47
alleeJRe: alt-ctrl-k ;)06:48
JRe~~~~~06:49
JRe;)06:49
amuoh, 0.6 isnt out? better you say 0.5.99+svn06:52
JReamu: is the ~ working ?06:53
amusee http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version06:58
amuThe upstream_version may contain only alphanumerics[30]  and the characters . + - : (full stop, plus, hyphen, colon) and should start with a digit. If there is no debian_revision then hyphens are not allowed; if there is no epoch then colons are not allowed.06:59
JReamu: okay 07:01
amuAlphanumerics are A-Za-z0-9 07:01
alleeamu: with etch '~' will be okay too  I was told.  dpkg --compare-versions supports '~' already.  Only linda/lintian complain07:02
amukftpgrabber (0.6.0svn20050518-0ubuntu0.1) unstable in control you should change unstable/breezy07:02
JReamu: okay07:03
amuallee:  we had this discussion before and found out that it's better not to use it.  07:05
alleeamu: are there any 'technical' problems?   It's so handy and unclutters so much versioning mess.  We a decision is a desicion.  Hopefully '~' for breezy++07:09
amutechnical i dont think, i bit irretated about 0.6.0+svn its a 0.6.0 release plus svn checkout or it's 0.5.x plus svn     07:12
JRewhatever i'll call it 0.5.9+svn*****07:19
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=== allee is glad that he can use '~' in his repo nevertheless
alleeJRe:  kftpgrabber ...07:23
alleeJRe: some debina files miss final newline  (look at the diff)07:23
alleeJRe: copyright file:  s/^Copyright:/Lizense:/07:24
alleeJRe: s/^+All the software:/Copyright:/07:24
JReallee: okay i'll clean up this07:25
alleeJRe: remove idententation of paragraph 'On Debian GNU/Linux systems, the...'. Now it look like it's part or the blockquote of the license.07:25
JReokay07:27
JReokay i have to go thanks for your advices, i'll see you tomorow with cleaner packages07:30
JRebye07:30
alleeJRe: for debian people complained about manpages that are just a reformating of --help option and were removed until some real content goes it.07:31
alleeJRe: I would suggest keep docbook file but don't install.07:31
alleeJRe: bye  and thx for your pkging work!07:31
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uniqanyone know how the hoary-updates works? - can we make a new kopete-package to fix the auth problem, and put it in there? 09:48
Riddelluniq: no, it's very major problems only10:15
Riddelluniq: but we'll make 3.4.1 packages, they just won't be in hoary-updates10:15
uniqok.10:16
uniqhoary users really should get a working package.. imho. how is major defined? 10:17
Riddellif the packages don't install or do malitious things to the system10:19
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alleeuniq, Riddel: time for a volatile archive as planed for sarge.10:40
Riddellallee: whit?10:40
alleeuniq, Riddel: I agree with uniq.  IMHO For a desktop distro it does not sound right to have MSN broken for 5 month.10:40
Riddellthat's why we'll make 3.4.1 packages10:41
alleeRiddell: http://volatile.debian.net/10:41
Riddellthey'll be official kubuntu packages, just not official ubuntu :)10:41
alleeRiddell: will 3.4.1 go into hoary???????10:41
Riddellallee: no10:42
Riddellit'll be on kubuntu.org or something10:42
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amuktown ? 10:42
Riddellallee: volatile looks different, that's for spam and virus packages, not beastie fixes10:42
Riddellktown, good plan10:42
amugood place for such "backports"10:43
alleeRiddell: spam and virus are out of control of the distro.   So are protokol breakage of MSN.   It's a regression from outside10:44
Riddellallee: well feel free to report it on bugzilla and argue with mdz that it should be considered critical :)10:45
amuallee: the best thing you could do, in addion to your bugreport, add a patch10:47
alleeRiddell: I hope uniq does it.  I neither use kopete nor MSN.10:47
alleeamu: 'final' patch is still in the work.  Do quote datos svn commit10:51
alleeHaha, I'm dumb or something. The non-dot-com-domains patch applies to a10:51
alleechunk of code that is removed by the other patch, so either we'll get10:51
allee#306845 fixed for free, or upstream bug #96304 should be reopened. I'm10:51
alleeinvestigating a bit in #kopete.10:51
datonobody answered, though10:52
datoallee: er10:52
datoallee: that's for 3.3, 3.4 has the straight patch in svn, of course10:52
Riddellquite a significant problem to have lasted from 3.3 to 3.4 but10:54
datojum, I meant today's problem, not the non-dot-com-domains thing. that was fixed long long ago.10:55
Riddellah right, different issues10:56
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Riddellallee: what's that for?10:59
alleedato: sorry I checked the branch.  and trunk implied 3.4, MSN implied todays login trouble.11:01
datoparse error, I'm afraid.11:02
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alleemhmm, dato lurks here and Riddel lurks there.  Is there additionally some active pushing of infos about 'important' KDE fixes kubuntu<->debian?11:04
Riddellnot enough probably11:07
Riddellhopefully we'll get a subversion archive soon then they can see more of what we're up to11:08
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alleeuniq: care to submit a bug report as amu suggested?  I've to leave very soon (well one two ago to be honest)11:08
uniqI'll do it.11:09
uniqjust playing with making a simple patch for the old kdenetwork-package... 11:10
alleepkg-kde-commits@lists.alioth.debian.org11:10
alleesvn repo would be great. Are you subscirbed to ^^^?11:10
uniqno.11:11
alleeuniq: MSN not vital enugh for you ;)11:11
uniqhm? - i'm not subscribed.. but msn isn't vital to me.. but it's annoying when it doesn't work.11:13
uniqbut but but.. :] 11:13
Riddellbitlbee does MSN to IRC gateway11:14
alleeuniq: next try : uniq: care to submit a bug report as amu suggested? 11:15
uniqallee: yes.11:15
uniqi'm working on it.11:15
alleeuniq: Thx!11:15
uniq:)11:15
alleebye all11:15
uniqlater.11:15
hungerAre you actually using kopete?11:36
uniqi am.11:36
hungerI always considered it to be alpha grade software.11:36
Riddellreverse engineering proprietry protocols is uber difficult11:37
hungerIt crashes a lot for me... does it work stable for you?11:37
uniqworks stable for me.11:37
uniqno problems since hoary installation.. until today.11:38
hungeruniq: Used to crash about once an hour here. Had the same issues on debian, gentoo and ubuntu.11:38
hungerMust be me then;-)11:39
uniqsounds like me and gnome.. not compatible at all.11:39
hungeruniq: I suspect kopete does not handle network setup changes too well.11:40
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uniqi am too.. 11:41
uniqno problems actually..11:41
hungeruniq: Well, maybe I should give it another try again.11:42
uniqI use icq and msn only.11:42
uniqirssi for irc.11:42
uniqhttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1099311:43

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