| Riddell | http://opensourceversus.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=199&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 kubuntu user spotted | 12:07 |
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| amu | hehe | 12:12 |
| uniq | phew. finally got X back. updated breezy and THEN read all the warnings.. always learning the hard way. | 12:24 |
| Riddell | doko, amu: new qt on it's way | 12:55 |
| doko | cool! | 12:55 |
| amu | rocks, it was the int/long problem ? | 01:31 |
| Riddell | yep | 01:32 |
| dato | how's the kubuntu repository coming? | 01:38 |
| Riddell | doko: waiting on kdelibs then dbus | 01:49 |
| amu | soo time for bed ;) n8@all | 04:18 |
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| JRe | morning ;) | 10:07 |
| JRe | http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/kftpgrabber if someone wants to check the package | 10:24 |
| KaiL | FTP-Client? | 10:38 |
| KaiL | ah, arts and aspell are gcc4 :) | 10:42 |
| JRe | KaiL: yes | 10:42 |
| JRe | KaiL: a very good one | 10:42 |
| KaiL | looks really good | 10:45 |
| KaiL | no localisations for now? | 10:45 |
| JRe | KaiL: no :( | 10:45 |
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| KaiL | as konversation and amarok... | 10:46 |
| JRe | KaiL: yeah i will tell the upsteam that it would certainly be a great feature ;) | 10:47 |
| KaiL | I guess, they know :) | 10:47 |
| JRe | KaiL: I guess to :) | 10:47 |
| JRe | s/to/too | 10:47 |
| JRe | KaiL: i had trouble packaging it because upstream furnished the debian dir in the official tarball ;) | 10:49 |
| Riddell | JRe: probably best just to remove the upstream debian directory from the .orig | 10:50 |
| JRe | Riddell: that's what i have done | 10:50 |
| JRe | Riddell: i tell the upstream and he kicked it out, i waited for anonsvn to refresh, took a snapshot nd packaged ;) | 10:50 |
| Riddell | cool :) | 10:53 |
| KaiL | hmm, server problems? | 10:55 |
| JRe | KaiL: which server? | 10:59 |
| KaiL | people.ubuntu.com and cdimages | 10:59 |
| KaiL | -s | 10:59 |
| KaiL | and as it looks, bugzilla too | 11:00 |
| JRe | KaiL: yeah it seems :( | 11:04 |
| Riddell | and most importantly kubuntu.org! | 11:04 |
| JRe | Riddell: :( :( :( | 11:05 |
| KaiL | www.ubuntu.com too - slashdotted? | 11:05 |
| Riddell | no, it'll be an issue with the datacentre | 11:06 |
| KaiL | wow, on distrowatch ubuntu is FAR ahead of every other distribution | 11:21 |
| JRe | KaiL: really ??? | 12:11 |
| KaiL | yes | 12:11 |
| KaiL | ubuntu+kubuntu > Mandriva + SuSE | 12:11 |
| JRe | kooooooool ;) | 12:11 |
| JRe | KaiL: wow and ubuntu is #1 | 12:12 |
| KaiL | a biiiig #1 | 12:12 |
| JRe | yeah ;) | 12:13 |
| JRe | with pid still gorwing | 12:13 |
| JRe | s/gorwing/growing/ | 12:13 |
| JRe | how and ubuntu.com has comed back | 12:17 |
| KaiL | good | 12:18 |
| KaiL | interesting about distrowatch: >50% of the top10-users have a debian based system | 12:18 |
| KaiL | much more than for rpm :) | 12:19 |
| JRe | KaiL: hopefully, given than it's the best depency system i have ever seen ;) | 12:20 |
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| Riddell | doko: can I get the sources to your kdelibs package? | 01:34 |
| doko | Riddell: messed up, pleae get it from the bug report. I'll attach the one for disabling -fvis as well | 01:35 |
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| JRe | yup | 01:46 |
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| nanomad | hi all! | 02:30 |
| JRe | hi | 02:31 |
| nanomad | anyone had problems with xorg recently? | 02:31 |
| nanomad | it seems that all xorg is being updated.... | 02:32 |
| doko | Riddell, amu: updated 10827, please find out how to patch the configure script ;-) | 02:43 |
| amu | moin' | 03:02 |
| JRe | 'niom | 03:02 |
| Riddell | doko: the patch needs to be made to admin/acinclude.m4 | 03:33 |
| Riddell | then run make -f admin/Makefile.common cvs | 03:34 |
| Riddell | amu, haggai: any idea how the 98_buildprep.diff patch is made? | 03:34 |
| Riddell | actually dato will know :) | 03:34 |
| doko | Riddell: yes, please upload | 03:34 |
| doko | Riddell: the patch _is_ made to admin/acinclude.m4 | 03:35 |
| Riddell | doko: the one I have from bugzilla is to kdelibs-3.4.0/acinclude.m4 not kdelibs-3.4.0/admin/acinclude.m4 | 03:36 |
| Riddell | somewhere along the way there's a cp admin/acinclude.m4 acinclude.m4 | 03:37 |
| doko | ahh, ok | 03:37 |
| Riddell | then autoconf makes the configure script | 03:37 |
| doko | yes, and then debian/rules clean doesn't work anymore | 03:37 |
| doko | fix it ;) | 03:37 |
| Riddell | I'll take a look at that | 03:38 |
| Riddell | arts seems to depend on qt, wonder why | 03:38 |
| Riddell | no qt build logs on amd64 or ia64, silly buildds | 03:39 |
| haggai | Riddell: you run debian/rules buildprep and then make a diff | 03:39 |
| haggai | Riddell: I didn't bother since the changes get included in the .diff.gz automatically and I didn't see a big need for the seperate patch file since its all autogenerated anyway | 03:40 |
| haggai | Riddell: so I just ran buildprep before creating the source package | 03:40 |
| Riddell | haggai: yeah, I think it's just trying to keep the .diff.gz cleaner | 03:41 |
| Riddell | but I don't know if having the changes in a patch is actually any cleaner | 03:41 |
| haggai | Riddell: my thoughts exactly. The .diff.gz is a lot uglier with the included patch | 03:41 |
| haggai | if you actually try to read it | 03:41 |
| doko | Riddell: uploaded a new arts, if it still fails, please contact lamont and/or fix it yourself. I'm away for the rest of the day | 04:57 |
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| allee | JRe, Riddel: I've now debian and hoary pkg of konference. Tried konference <-> konference not working here. | 05:24 |
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| allee | I used svn version because alpha2 needs some more fixes. I've send my fixes upstream and asked for help. | 05:25 |
| JRe | allee: wow ;) | 05:25 |
| Riddell | allee: well done for trying | 05:25 |
| Riddell | allee: what are the depends? | 05:25 |
| JRe | allee: where are the packages ;) ? | 05:27 |
| allee | Okay. I upload. Wait ... | 05:27 |
| === allee warn, konference needs much polishing. | ||
| allee | .. upstream, and a bit debian | 05:29 |
| JRe | :) | 05:29 |
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| JRe | it still in early stage | 05:29 |
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| JRe | allee: so was it hard to compile ? | 05:33 |
| allee | JRe: Not that hard. Only annoying finding out there unresolved symbols are from ;) See konference-devel list archive | 05:35 |
| JRe | allee: ;) | 05:36 |
| Riddell | got kdebase compiled ok with gcc 4, unfortunatly I can't get X working in my chroot so I don't know if the programs actually run | 05:36 |
| Riddell | ah cool, qt successful everywhere | 05:38 |
| Riddell | I'll wait on arts before uploading kdelibs | 05:39 |
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| amu | cool, where i can get your sources? | 05:40 |
| JRe | Riddell: cool | 05:41 |
| amu | JRe: someone tested your package ? | 05:42 |
| JRe | nop | 05:42 |
| amu | can do it if you want | 05:44 |
| Riddell | amu: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/kdelibs/ | 05:44 |
| JRe | yeah i need feedback to know what things i have to rework | 05:44 |
| JRe | i have tried to do as clean as i could | 05:44 |
| Riddell | amu: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/kdebase/ | 05:45 |
| Riddell | they need tidying | 05:45 |
| amu | apt-get install arts | 05:45 |
| amu | Reading package lists... Done | 05:45 |
| amu | Building dependency tree... Done | 05:45 |
| amu | The following extra packages will be installed: | 05:45 |
| amu | libarts1c2 libartsc0 libqt3c102-mt | 05:45 |
| amu | Suggested packages: | 05:45 |
| amu | libqt3c102-mt-psql libqt3c102-mt-mysql libqt3c102-mt-odbc | 05:45 |
| amu | Recommended packages: | 05:45 |
| amu | akode | 05:45 |
| amu | The following NEW packages will be installed: | 05:46 |
| amu | arts libarts1c2 libartsc0 libqt3c102-mt | 05:46 |
| Riddell | amu: that because it compiled before qt on amd64, you'll need to wait for the new arts or compile yourself | 05:47 |
| amu | np, compiled in past myself, it's a waste of time, depends against too much, i can wait *g* | 05:48 |
| JRe | how many time it takes to compile arta ? | 05:51 |
| JRe | s/arta/arts/ | 05:51 |
| allee | konference deb and src in fresh archive: http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/experimental/Pkgs.php | 06:05 |
| amu | JRe: kftpgrabber_0.6.0svn20050518-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb | 06:05 |
| amu | JRe: kftpgrabber_0.6.0+svn20050518-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb | 06:06 |
| JRe | allee: thaaaaaaaanks :) | 06:06 |
| JRe | amu: okay | 06:06 |
| JRe | amu: in fact it's kftpgrabber_0.6.0beta2+svn20050518-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb should i put that? | 06:07 |
| allee | konference changelog lists an debian/hoary lib difference. Have not looked in detail why this happens. | 06:08 |
| JRe | when it's a beta the debian version have to be version~beta1+svn20050519 ? | 06:11 |
| amu | JRe: if you add svn20050518 is enouth. I guess it#s a svn checkout from 20050518 ? | 06:11 |
| JRe | amu: yeah exactly | 06:11 |
| JRe | amu: i had to do a checkout because the official tarball shipped a debian dir and i had to made the upstream kicked it ou | 06:12 |
| amu | i'm not sure, if multiple + are allowd ex. kftpgrabber_0.6.0+beta2+svn20050518-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb | 06:12 |
| JRe | amu: okay i'll call it kftpgrabber_0.6.0+svn20050518-0ubuntu0.1 | 06:13 |
| amu | do you want write an ITP for debian? | 06:17 |
| JRe | yeah for kat (yet done) and kftpgrabber (but problem someone has done that one year before and still no news!) | 06:19 |
| JRe | amu: moreover the upstream have never heard about the man who post ITP the for kftpgrabber | 06:19 |
| JRe | amu: there is other bad thing i have to fix in the package? | 06:20 |
| amu | JRe: works like this, you write to the bug, and tell him, you packaged it, if he's still interessed in that, give him 1 week time to answer | 06:20 |
| JRe | amu: koay i do that | 06:21 |
| amu | if he's not answering, write that you'll do it now. | 06:22 |
| amu | everything should be documented in the bug. If he's still not answering, upload the new package and close the bug. | 06:23 |
| JRe | amu: i can't upload the package ;) | 06:27 |
| amu | JRe: dont forget to tell it upstream, his packages is going into kubuntu/debian :) | 06:27 |
| JRe | amu: yeah i already told it that i was making it for the both systems | 06:28 |
| amu | ? why you can't upload it? | 06:29 |
| JRe | because i'm far to be a DD | 06:31 |
| amu | but you're are a motu? | 06:31 |
| JRe | amu: no | 06:31 |
| amu | not now ... but you want? | 06:32 |
| JRe | yeah i'll be great if you think i package celan enough | 06:32 |
| amu | did you read th motu pages? | 06:33 |
| amu | yep, it's fine enough | 06:33 |
| JRe | i read some of them | 06:34 |
| amu | and? if you have a bit time for maintaing your packages ... would be perfect | 06:35 |
| JRe | i'm pretty interested in mainting my packages and i have enough time | 06:35 |
| JRe | it will be with great pleasure to be helpful | 06:36 |
| allee | JRe: What version do you plan to use for 0.6.0 final? ('cause 0.6.0 < 0.6.0+snv...) | 06:37 |
| JRe | allee: yeah you're right | 06:37 |
| allee | all: is '~' okay for breezy (it will be for etch AFAIU) | 06:37 |
| JRe | allee: what name should i give? | 06:39 |
| allee | I favour 0.6.0~beta2 ( + svnYYYYYMMDD ) if '~' will be okay | 06:40 |
| JRe | allee: okay thanks :) | 06:40 |
| allee | other use 0.5.99+beta2 or 0.5+0.6beta2 | 06:41 |
| JRe | allee: 0.5.99+svn20050518 should be fine. | 06:42 |
| allee | JRe: Hmm, a future 0.5.99+beta3 < 0.5.99+svn20050518. So I would insert a +beta2. Otherwise you have to stick to 'svn...' numbering until release | 06:45 |
| JRe | allee: yeah you're right | 06:45 |
| allee | amu: '~' okay? | 06:46 |
| === allee loves '~' | ||
| JRe | i hope ~ is okay, although it's not on italian keyboards ;) | 06:47 |
| allee | JRe: alt-ctrl-k ;) | 06:48 |
| JRe | ~~~~~ | 06:49 |
| JRe | ;) | 06:49 |
| amu | oh, 0.6 isnt out? better you say 0.5.99+svn | 06:52 |
| JRe | amu: is the ~ working ? | 06:53 |
| amu | see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version | 06:58 |
| amu | The upstream_version may contain only alphanumerics[30] and the characters . + - : (full stop, plus, hyphen, colon) and should start with a digit. If there is no debian_revision then hyphens are not allowed; if there is no epoch then colons are not allowed. | 06:59 |
| JRe | amu: okay | 07:01 |
| amu | Alphanumerics are A-Za-z0-9 | 07:01 |
| allee | amu: with etch '~' will be okay too I was told. dpkg --compare-versions supports '~' already. Only linda/lintian complain | 07:02 |
| amu | kftpgrabber (0.6.0svn20050518-0ubuntu0.1) unstable in control you should change unstable/breezy | 07:02 |
| JRe | amu: okay | 07:03 |
| amu | allee: we had this discussion before and found out that it's better not to use it. | 07:05 |
| allee | amu: are there any 'technical' problems? It's so handy and unclutters so much versioning mess. We a decision is a desicion. Hopefully '~' for breezy++ | 07:09 |
| amu | technical i dont think, i bit irretated about 0.6.0+svn its a 0.6.0 release plus svn checkout or it's 0.5.x plus svn | 07:12 |
| JRe | whatever i'll call it 0.5.9+svn***** | 07:19 |
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| === allee is glad that he can use '~' in his repo nevertheless | ||
| allee | JRe: kftpgrabber ... | 07:23 |
| allee | JRe: some debina files miss final newline (look at the diff) | 07:23 |
| allee | JRe: copyright file: s/^Copyright:/Lizense:/ | 07:24 |
| allee | JRe: s/^+All the software:/Copyright:/ | 07:24 |
| JRe | allee: okay i'll clean up this | 07:25 |
| allee | JRe: remove idententation of paragraph 'On Debian GNU/Linux systems, the...'. Now it look like it's part or the blockquote of the license. | 07:25 |
| JRe | okay | 07:27 |
| JRe | okay i have to go thanks for your advices, i'll see you tomorow with cleaner packages | 07:30 |
| JRe | bye | 07:30 |
| allee | JRe: for debian people complained about manpages that are just a reformating of --help option and were removed until some real content goes it. | 07:31 |
| allee | JRe: I would suggest keep docbook file but don't install. | 07:31 |
| allee | JRe: bye and thx for your pkging work! | 07:31 |
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| uniq | anyone know how the hoary-updates works? - can we make a new kopete-package to fix the auth problem, and put it in there? | 09:48 |
| Riddell | uniq: no, it's very major problems only | 10:15 |
| Riddell | uniq: but we'll make 3.4.1 packages, they just won't be in hoary-updates | 10:15 |
| uniq | ok. | 10:16 |
| uniq | hoary users really should get a working package.. imho. how is major defined? | 10:17 |
| Riddell | if the packages don't install or do malitious things to the system | 10:19 |
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| allee | uniq, Riddel: time for a volatile archive as planed for sarge. | 10:40 |
| Riddell | allee: whit? | 10:40 |
| allee | uniq, Riddel: I agree with uniq. IMHO For a desktop distro it does not sound right to have MSN broken for 5 month. | 10:40 |
| Riddell | that's why we'll make 3.4.1 packages | 10:41 |
| allee | Riddell: http://volatile.debian.net/ | 10:41 |
| Riddell | they'll be official kubuntu packages, just not official ubuntu :) | 10:41 |
| allee | Riddell: will 3.4.1 go into hoary??????? | 10:41 |
| Riddell | allee: no | 10:42 |
| Riddell | it'll be on kubuntu.org or something | 10:42 |
| === Riddell brainstorming | ||
| amu | ktown ? | 10:42 |
| Riddell | allee: volatile looks different, that's for spam and virus packages, not beastie fixes | 10:42 |
| Riddell | ktown, good plan | 10:42 |
| amu | good place for such "backports" | 10:43 |
| allee | Riddell: spam and virus are out of control of the distro. So are protokol breakage of MSN. It's a regression from outside | 10:44 |
| Riddell | allee: well feel free to report it on bugzilla and argue with mdz that it should be considered critical :) | 10:45 |
| amu | allee: the best thing you could do, in addion to your bugreport, add a patch | 10:47 |
| allee | Riddell: I hope uniq does it. I neither use kopete nor MSN. | 10:47 |
| allee | amu: 'final' patch is still in the work. Do quote datos svn commit | 10:51 |
| allee | Haha, I'm dumb or something. The non-dot-com-domains patch applies to a | 10:51 |
| allee | chunk of code that is removed by the other patch, so either we'll get | 10:51 |
| allee | #306845 fixed for free, or upstream bug #96304 should be reopened. I'm | 10:51 |
| allee | investigating a bit in #kopete. | 10:51 |
| dato | nobody answered, though | 10:52 |
| dato | allee: er | 10:52 |
| dato | allee: that's for 3.3, 3.4 has the straight patch in svn, of course | 10:52 |
| Riddell | quite a significant problem to have lasted from 3.3 to 3.4 but | 10:54 |
| dato | jum, I meant today's problem, not the non-dot-com-domains thing. that was fixed long long ago. | 10:55 |
| Riddell | ah right, different issues | 10:56 |
| === allee hits his head at the wall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Riddell | allee: what's that for? | 10:59 |
| allee | dato: sorry I checked the branch. and trunk implied 3.4, MSN implied todays login trouble. | 11:01 |
| dato | parse error, I'm afraid. | 11:02 |
| === allee better resign the try to interface kubuntu-devel <-> debian-qt-kde :( | ||
| allee | mhmm, dato lurks here and Riddel lurks there. Is there additionally some active pushing of infos about 'important' KDE fixes kubuntu<->debian? | 11:04 |
| Riddell | not enough probably | 11:07 |
| Riddell | hopefully we'll get a subversion archive soon then they can see more of what we're up to | 11:08 |
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| allee | uniq: care to submit a bug report as amu suggested? I've to leave very soon (well one two ago to be honest) | 11:08 |
| uniq | I'll do it. | 11:09 |
| uniq | just playing with making a simple patch for the old kdenetwork-package... | 11:10 |
| allee | pkg-kde-commits@lists.alioth.debian.org | 11:10 |
| allee | svn repo would be great. Are you subscirbed to ^^^? | 11:10 |
| uniq | no. | 11:11 |
| allee | uniq: MSN not vital enugh for you ;) | 11:11 |
| uniq | hm? - i'm not subscribed.. but msn isn't vital to me.. but it's annoying when it doesn't work. | 11:13 |
| uniq | but but but.. :] | 11:13 |
| Riddell | bitlbee does MSN to IRC gateway | 11:14 |
| allee | uniq: next try : uniq: care to submit a bug report as amu suggested? | 11:15 |
| uniq | allee: yes. | 11:15 |
| uniq | i'm working on it. | 11:15 |
| allee | uniq: Thx! | 11:15 |
| uniq | :) | 11:15 |
| allee | bye all | 11:15 |
| uniq | later. | 11:15 |
| hunger | Are you actually using kopete? | 11:36 |
| uniq | i am. | 11:36 |
| hunger | I always considered it to be alpha grade software. | 11:36 |
| Riddell | reverse engineering proprietry protocols is uber difficult | 11:37 |
| hunger | It crashes a lot for me... does it work stable for you? | 11:37 |
| uniq | works stable for me. | 11:37 |
| uniq | no problems since hoary installation.. until today. | 11:38 |
| hunger | uniq: Used to crash about once an hour here. Had the same issues on debian, gentoo and ubuntu. | 11:38 |
| hunger | Must be me then;-) | 11:39 |
| uniq | sounds like me and gnome.. not compatible at all. | 11:39 |
| hunger | uniq: I suspect kopete does not handle network setup changes too well. | 11:40 |
| === hunger is on a laptop and that does occassionally switch between wlan/ethernet/no net. | ||
| uniq | i am too.. | 11:41 |
| uniq | no problems actually.. | 11:41 |
| hunger | uniq: Well, maybe I should give it another try again. | 11:42 |
| uniq | I use icq and msn only. | 11:42 |
| uniq | irssi for irc. | 11:42 |
| uniq | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10993 | 11:43 |
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