[12:07] <Riddell> http://opensourceversus.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=199&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0  kubuntu user spotted
[12:12] <amu> hehe
[12:24] <uniq> phew. finally got X back. updated breezy and THEN read all the warnings.. always learning the hard way.
[12:55] <Riddell> doko, amu: new qt on it's way
[12:55] <doko> cool!
[01:31] <amu> rocks, it was the int/long problem ? 
[01:32] <Riddell> yep
[01:38] <dato> how's the kubuntu repository coming?
[01:49] <Riddell> doko: waiting on kdelibs then dbus
[04:18] <amu> soo time for bed ;) n8@all
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[10:07] <JRe> morning ;)
[10:24] <JRe> http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/kftpgrabber if someone wants to check the package 
[10:38] <KaiL> FTP-Client?
[10:42] <KaiL> ah, arts and aspell are gcc4 :)
[10:42] <JRe> KaiL: yes
[10:42] <JRe> KaiL: a very good one
[10:45] <KaiL> looks really good
[10:45] <KaiL> no localisations for now?
[10:45] <JRe> KaiL: no :(
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[10:46] <KaiL> as konversation and amarok... 
[10:47] <JRe> KaiL: yeah i will tell the upsteam that it would certainly be a great feature ;)
[10:47] <KaiL> I guess, they know :)
[10:47] <JRe> KaiL: I guess to :)
[10:47] <JRe> s/to/too
[10:49] <JRe> KaiL: i had trouble packaging it because upstream furnished the debian dir in the official tarball ;)
[10:50] <Riddell> JRe: probably best just to remove the upstream debian directory from the .orig
[10:50] <JRe> Riddell: that's what i have done
[10:50] <JRe> Riddell: i tell the upstream and he kicked it out, i waited for anonsvn to refresh, took a snapshot nd packaged ;)
[10:53] <Riddell> cool :)
[10:55] <KaiL> hmm, server problems?
[10:59] <JRe> KaiL: which server?
[10:59] <KaiL> people.ubuntu.com and cdimages
[10:59] <KaiL> -s
[11:00] <KaiL> and as it looks, bugzilla too
[11:04] <JRe> KaiL: yeah it seems :(
[11:04] <Riddell> and most importantly kubuntu.org!
[11:05] <JRe> Riddell: :( :( :(
[11:05] <KaiL> www.ubuntu.com too - slashdotted?
[11:06] <Riddell> no, it'll be an issue with the datacentre
[11:21] <KaiL> wow, on distrowatch ubuntu is FAR ahead of every other distribution
[12:11] <JRe> KaiL: really ???
[12:11] <KaiL> yes
[12:11] <KaiL> ubuntu+kubuntu > Mandriva + SuSE
[12:11] <JRe> kooooooool ;)
[12:12] <JRe> KaiL: wow and ubuntu is #1
[12:12] <KaiL> a biiiig #1
[12:13] <JRe> yeah ;)
[12:13] <JRe> with pid still gorwing 
[12:13] <JRe> s/gorwing/growing/
[12:17] <JRe> how and ubuntu.com has comed back
[12:18] <KaiL> good
[12:18] <KaiL> interesting about distrowatch: >50% of the top10-users have a debian based system
[12:19] <KaiL> much more than for rpm :)
[12:20] <JRe> KaiL: hopefully, given than it's the best depency system i have ever seen ;)
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[01:34] <Riddell> doko: can I get the sources to your kdelibs package?
[01:35] <doko> Riddell: messed up, pleae get it from the bug report. I'll attach the one for disabling -fvis as well
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[01:46] <JRe> yup
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[02:30] <nanomad> hi all!
[02:31] <JRe> hi
[02:31] <nanomad> anyone had problems with xorg recently?
[02:32] <nanomad> it seems that all xorg is being updated....
[02:43] <doko> Riddell, amu: updated 10827, please find out how to patch the configure script ;-)
[03:02] <amu> moin' 
[03:02] <JRe> 'niom
[03:33] <Riddell> doko: the patch needs to be made to admin/acinclude.m4 
[03:34] <Riddell> then run make -f admin/Makefile.common cvs
[03:34] <Riddell> amu, haggai: any idea how the 98_buildprep.diff patch is made?
[03:34] <Riddell> actually dato will know :)
[03:34] <doko> Riddell: yes, please upload
[03:35] <doko> Riddell: the patch _is_ made to admin/acinclude.m4
[03:36] <Riddell> doko: the one I have from bugzilla is to kdelibs-3.4.0/acinclude.m4  not kdelibs-3.4.0/admin/acinclude.m4
[03:37] <Riddell> somewhere along the way there's a  cp admin/acinclude.m4 acinclude.m4
[03:37] <doko> ahh, ok
[03:37] <Riddell> then autoconf makes the configure script
[03:37] <doko> yes, and then debian/rules clean doesn't work anymore
[03:37] <doko> fix it ;)
[03:38] <Riddell> I'll take a look at that
[03:38] <Riddell> arts seems to depend on qt, wonder why
[03:39] <Riddell> no qt build logs on amd64 or ia64, silly buildds
[03:39] <haggai> Riddell: you run debian/rules buildprep and then make a diff
[03:40] <haggai> Riddell: I didn't bother since the changes get included in the .diff.gz automatically and I didn't see a big need for the seperate patch file since its all autogenerated anyway
[03:40] <haggai> Riddell: so I just ran buildprep before creating the source package
[03:41] <Riddell> haggai: yeah, I think it's just trying to keep the .diff.gz cleaner
[03:41] <Riddell> but I don't know if having the changes in a patch is actually any cleaner
[03:41] <haggai> Riddell: my thoughts exactly.  The .diff.gz is a lot uglier with the included patch
[03:41] <haggai> if you actually try to read it
[04:57] <doko> Riddell: uploaded a new arts, if it still fails, please contact lamont and/or fix it yourself. I'm away for the rest of the day
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[05:24] <allee> JRe, Riddel: I've now debian and hoary pkg of konference.  Tried konference <-> konference not working here.
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[05:25] <allee> I used svn version because alpha2 needs some more fixes.  I've send my fixes upstream and asked for help.
[05:25] <JRe> allee: wow ;)
[05:25] <Riddell> allee: well done for trying 
[05:25] <Riddell> allee: what are the depends?
[05:27] <JRe> allee: where are the packages ;) ?
[05:27] <allee> Okay.  I upload.  Wait ...
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[05:29] <allee> .. upstream, and a bit debian
[05:29] <JRe> :)
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[05:29] <JRe> it still in early stage
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[05:33] <JRe> allee: so was it hard to compile ?
[05:35] <allee> JRe: Not that hard.  Only annoying finding out there unresolved symbols are from ;)  See konference-devel list archive
[05:36] <JRe> allee: ;)
[05:36] <Riddell> got kdebase compiled ok with gcc 4, unfortunatly I can't get X working in my chroot so I don't know if the programs actually run
[05:38] <Riddell> ah cool, qt successful everywhere
[05:39] <Riddell> I'll wait on arts before uploading kdelibs
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[05:40] <amu> cool, where i can get your sources? 
[05:41] <JRe> Riddell: cool
[05:42] <amu> JRe: someone tested your package ? 
[05:42] <JRe> nop 
[05:44] <amu> can do it if you want 
[05:44] <Riddell> amu: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/kdelibs/
[05:44] <JRe> yeah i need feedback to know what things i have to rework
[05:44] <JRe> i have tried to do as clean as i could
[05:45] <Riddell> amu: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/kdebase/
[05:45] <Riddell> they need tidying
[05:45] <amu>  apt-get install arts
[05:45] <amu> Reading package lists... Done
[05:45] <amu> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:45] <amu> The following extra packages will be installed:
[05:45] <amu>   libarts1c2 libartsc0 libqt3c102-mt
[05:45] <amu> Suggested packages:
[05:45] <amu>   libqt3c102-mt-psql libqt3c102-mt-mysql libqt3c102-mt-odbc
[05:45] <amu> Recommended packages:
[05:45] <amu>   akode
[05:46] <amu> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[05:46] <amu>   arts libarts1c2 libartsc0 libqt3c102-mt
[05:47] <Riddell> amu: that because it compiled before qt on amd64, you'll need to wait for the new arts or compile yourself
[05:48] <amu> np, compiled in past myself, it's a waste of time, depends against too much, i can wait *g*  
[05:51] <JRe> how many time it takes to compile arta ?
[05:51] <JRe> s/arta/arts/
[06:05] <allee> konference deb and src in fresh archive: http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/experimental/Pkgs.php
[06:05] <amu> JRe: kftpgrabber_0.6.0svn20050518-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[06:06] <amu> JRe: kftpgrabber_0.6.0+svn20050518-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[06:06] <JRe> allee: thaaaaaaaanks :)
[06:06] <JRe> amu: okay
[06:07] <JRe> amu: in fact it's kftpgrabber_0.6.0beta2+svn20050518-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb should i put that?
[06:08] <allee> konference changelog lists an debian/hoary lib difference.   Have not looked in detail why this happens.
[06:11] <JRe> when it's a beta the debian version have to be version~beta1+svn20050519 ?
[06:11] <amu> JRe: if you add svn20050518 is enouth. I guess it#s a svn checkout from 20050518 ?  
[06:11] <JRe> amu: yeah exactly
[06:12] <JRe> amu: i had to do a checkout because the official tarball shipped a debian dir and i had to made the upstream kicked it ou
[06:12] <amu> i'm not sure, if multiple + are allowd ex. kftpgrabber_0.6.0+beta2+svn20050518-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[06:13] <JRe> amu: okay i'll call it kftpgrabber_0.6.0+svn20050518-0ubuntu0.1
[06:17] <amu> do you want write an ITP for debian?   
[06:19] <JRe> yeah for kat (yet done) and kftpgrabber (but problem someone has done that one year before and still no news!)
[06:19] <JRe> amu: moreover the upstream have never heard about the man who post ITP the for kftpgrabber
[06:20] <JRe> amu: there is other bad thing i have to fix in the package?
[06:20] <amu> JRe: works like this, you write to the bug, and tell him, you packaged it, if he's still interessed in that, give him 1 week time to answer    
[06:21] <JRe> amu: koay i do that
[06:22] <amu> if he's not answering, write that you'll do it now.  
[06:23] <amu> everything should be documented in the bug. If he's still not answering, upload the new package and close the bug.   
[06:27] <JRe> amu: i can't upload the package ;)
[06:27] <amu> JRe: dont forget to tell it upstream, his packages is going into kubuntu/debian :)  
[06:28] <JRe> amu: yeah i already told it that i was making it for the both systems
[06:29] <amu> ? why you can't upload it? 
[06:31] <JRe> because i'm far to be a DD
[06:31] <amu> but you're are a motu?   
[06:31] <JRe> amu: no 
[06:32] <amu> not now ... but you want?  
[06:32] <JRe> yeah i'll be great if you think i package celan enough
[06:33] <amu> did you read th motu pages? 
[06:33] <amu> yep, it's fine enough 
[06:34] <JRe> i read some of them
[06:35] <amu> and? if you have a bit time for maintaing your packages ... would be perfect     
[06:35] <JRe> i'm pretty interested in mainting my packages and i have enough time
[06:36] <JRe> it will be with great pleasure to be helpful
[06:37] <allee> JRe: What version do you plan to use for 0.6.0 final?  ('cause 0.6.0 < 0.6.0+snv...)
[06:37] <JRe> allee: yeah you're right
[06:37] <allee> all: is '~' okay for breezy (it will be for etch AFAIU)
[06:39] <JRe> allee: what name should i give?
[06:40] <allee> I favour 0.6.0~beta2  ( + svnYYYYYMMDD )  if '~' will be okay 
[06:40] <JRe> allee: okay thanks :)
[06:41] <allee> other use 0.5.99+beta2 or  0.5+0.6beta2
[06:42] <JRe> allee: 0.5.99+svn20050518 should be fine.
[06:45] <allee> JRe: Hmm, a future 0.5.99+beta3 < 0.5.99+svn20050518.   So I would insert a +beta2.  Otherwise you have to stick to 'svn...' numbering until release
[06:45] <JRe> allee: yeah you're right 
[06:46] <allee> amu: '~' okay?
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[06:47] <JRe> i hope ~ is okay, although it's not on italian keyboards ;)
[06:48] <allee> JRe: alt-ctrl-k ;)
[06:49] <JRe> ~~~~~
[06:49] <JRe> ;)
[06:52] <amu> oh, 0.6 isnt out? better you say 0.5.99+svn
[06:53] <JRe> amu: is the ~ working ?
[06:58] <amu> see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version
[06:59] <amu> The upstream_version may contain only alphanumerics[30]  and the characters . + - : (full stop, plus, hyphen, colon) and should start with a digit. If there is no debian_revision then hyphens are not allowed; if there is no epoch then colons are not allowed.
[07:01] <JRe> amu: okay 
[07:01] <amu> Alphanumerics are A-Za-z0-9 
[07:02] <allee> amu: with etch '~' will be okay too  I was told.  dpkg --compare-versions supports '~' already.  Only linda/lintian complain
[07:02] <amu> kftpgrabber (0.6.0svn20050518-0ubuntu0.1) unstable in control you should change unstable/breezy
[07:03] <JRe> amu: okay
[07:05] <amu> allee:  we had this discussion before and found out that it's better not to use it.  
[07:09] <allee> amu: are there any 'technical' problems?   It's so handy and unclutters so much versioning mess.  We a decision is a desicion.  Hopefully '~' for breezy++
[07:12] <amu> technical i dont think, i bit irretated about 0.6.0+svn its a 0.6.0 release plus svn checkout or it's 0.5.x plus svn     
[07:19] <JRe> whatever i'll call it 0.5.9+svn*****
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=== allee is glad that he can use '~' in his repo nevertheless
[07:23] <allee> JRe:  kftpgrabber ...
[07:23] <allee> JRe: some debina files miss final newline  (look at the diff)
[07:24] <allee> JRe: copyright file:  s/^Copyright:/Lizense:/
[07:24] <allee> JRe: s/^+All the software:/Copyright:/
[07:25] <JRe> allee: okay i'll clean up this
[07:25] <allee> JRe: remove idententation of paragraph 'On Debian GNU/Linux systems, the...'. Now it look like it's part or the blockquote of the license.
[07:27] <JRe> okay
[07:30] <JRe> okay i have to go thanks for your advices, i'll see you tomorow with cleaner packages
[07:30] <JRe> bye
[07:31] <allee> JRe: for debian people complained about manpages that are just a reformating of --help option and were removed until some real content goes it.
[07:31] <allee> JRe: I would suggest keep docbook file but don't install.
[07:31] <allee> JRe: bye  and thx for your pkging work!
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[09:48] <uniq> anyone know how the hoary-updates works? - can we make a new kopete-package to fix the auth problem, and put it in there? 
[10:15] <Riddell> uniq: no, it's very major problems only
[10:15] <Riddell> uniq: but we'll make 3.4.1 packages, they just won't be in hoary-updates
[10:16] <uniq> ok.
[10:17] <uniq> hoary users really should get a working package.. imho. how is major defined? 
[10:19] <Riddell> if the packages don't install or do malitious things to the system
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[10:40] <allee> uniq, Riddel: time for a volatile archive as planed for sarge.
[10:40] <Riddell> allee: whit?
[10:40] <allee> uniq, Riddel: I agree with uniq.  IMHO For a desktop distro it does not sound right to have MSN broken for 5 month.
[10:41] <Riddell> that's why we'll make 3.4.1 packages
[10:41] <allee> Riddell: http://volatile.debian.net/
[10:41] <Riddell> they'll be official kubuntu packages, just not official ubuntu :)
[10:41] <allee> Riddell: will 3.4.1 go into hoary???????
[10:42] <Riddell> allee: no
[10:42] <Riddell> it'll be on kubuntu.org or something
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[10:42] <amu> ktown ? 
[10:42] <Riddell> allee: volatile looks different, that's for spam and virus packages, not beastie fixes
[10:42] <Riddell> ktown, good plan
[10:43] <amu> good place for such "backports"
[10:44] <allee> Riddell: spam and virus are out of control of the distro.   So are protokol breakage of MSN.   It's a regression from outside
[10:45] <Riddell> allee: well feel free to report it on bugzilla and argue with mdz that it should be considered critical :)
[10:47] <amu> allee: the best thing you could do, in addion to your bugreport, add a patch
[10:47] <allee> Riddell: I hope uniq does it.  I neither use kopete nor MSN.
[10:51] <allee> amu: 'final' patch is still in the work.  Do quote datos svn commit
[10:51] <allee> Haha, I'm dumb or something. The non-dot-com-domains patch applies to a
[10:51] <allee> chunk of code that is removed by the other patch, so either we'll get
[10:51] <allee> #306845 fixed for free, or upstream bug #96304 should be reopened. I'm
[10:51] <allee> investigating a bit in #kopete.
[10:52] <dato> nobody answered, though
[10:52] <dato> allee: er
[10:52] <dato> allee: that's for 3.3, 3.4 has the straight patch in svn, of course
[10:54] <Riddell> quite a significant problem to have lasted from 3.3 to 3.4 but
[10:55] <dato> jum, I meant today's problem, not the non-dot-com-domains thing. that was fixed long long ago.
[10:56] <Riddell> ah right, different issues
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[10:59] <Riddell> allee: what's that for?
[11:01] <allee> dato: sorry I checked the branch.  and trunk implied 3.4, MSN implied todays login trouble.
[11:02] <dato> parse error, I'm afraid.
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[11:04] <allee> mhmm, dato lurks here and Riddel lurks there.  Is there additionally some active pushing of infos about 'important' KDE fixes kubuntu<->debian?
[11:07] <Riddell> not enough probably
[11:08] <Riddell> hopefully we'll get a subversion archive soon then they can see more of what we're up to
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[11:08] <allee> uniq: care to submit a bug report as amu suggested?  I've to leave very soon (well one two ago to be honest)
[11:09] <uniq> I'll do it.
[11:10] <uniq> just playing with making a simple patch for the old kdenetwork-package... 
[11:10] <allee> pkg-kde-commits@lists.alioth.debian.org
[11:10] <allee> svn repo would be great. Are you subscirbed to ^^^?
[11:11] <uniq> no.
[11:11] <allee> uniq: MSN not vital enugh for you ;)
[11:13] <uniq> hm? - i'm not subscribed.. but msn isn't vital to me.. but it's annoying when it doesn't work.
[11:13] <uniq> but but but.. :] 
[11:14] <Riddell> bitlbee does MSN to IRC gateway
[11:15] <allee> uniq: next try : uniq: care to submit a bug report as amu suggested? 
[11:15] <uniq> allee: yes.
[11:15] <uniq> i'm working on it.
[11:15] <allee> uniq: Thx!
[11:15] <uniq> :)
[11:15] <allee> bye all
[11:15] <uniq> later.
[11:36] <hunger> Are you actually using kopete?
[11:36] <uniq> i am.
[11:36] <hunger> I always considered it to be alpha grade software.
[11:37] <Riddell> reverse engineering proprietry protocols is uber difficult
[11:37] <hunger> It crashes a lot for me... does it work stable for you?
[11:37] <uniq> works stable for me.
[11:38] <uniq> no problems since hoary installation.. until today.
[11:38] <hunger> uniq: Used to crash about once an hour here. Had the same issues on debian, gentoo and ubuntu.
[11:39] <hunger> Must be me then;-)
[11:39] <uniq> sounds like me and gnome.. not compatible at all.
[11:40] <hunger> uniq: I suspect kopete does not handle network setup changes too well.
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[11:41] <uniq> i am too.. 
[11:41] <uniq> no problems actually..
[11:42] <hunger> uniq: Well, maybe I should give it another try again.
[11:42] <uniq> I use icq and msn only.
[11:42] <uniq> irssi for irc.
[11:43] <uniq> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10993