[12:02] <kkathman> yawn - hmm I dozed off :)
[12:02] <kkathman> muntyan: You mean to edit the KDE menu ?
[12:04] <muntyan> kkathman: no. that's a thing which looks for 'known applications', and puts them into menu
[12:05] <kkathman> ohhh hmmm dont really know...not familiar with that..but that would be very cool
[12:05] <muntyan> oh, and maybe someone knows where is kmail in the menu? or it's not in the menu?
[12:05] <muntyan> kkathman: that tool exists, and it's in the Settings menu in normal kde
[12:05] <muntyan> but i have no idea how to run it
[12:05] <andre> Tezkah can you send me a print screen of you source.list  plz?
[12:07] <andre> Tezkah are you there?
[12:08] <kkathman> muntyan: I really dont know anything about a menu updating tool. kmail I think can be gotten through apt-get
[12:09] <kkathman> but doesnt kontact have kmail?
[12:09] <transgress> kmail is installed by default
[12:09] <Tezkah> ahhh, sorry andre
[12:09] <transgress> they just have it hiding
[12:09] <Tezkah> I'm in Windows right now
[12:09] <transgress> because they are pushing kontact
[12:09] <andre> Tezkah np
[12:09] <kkathman> transgress: isnt it part of kontact?
[12:09] <Tezkah> mine looks like a bunch of # (commented) lines, and then a bunch of lines that look like "deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe"
[12:09] <Tezkah> except mine is ca instead of it, because I'm Canadian, not Italian
[12:09] <andre> im portuguese
[12:10] <muntyan> kkathman: that tool is 'kappfinder'
[12:10] <kkathman> ahh ok
[12:10] <muntyan> and i asked where kmail is in the menu
[12:10] <muntyan> i have kmail
[12:10] <Tezkah> do you see any lines like that in there?
[12:10] <transgress> kkathman: kontact is kind of like a wrapper for other crap... you have the other  crap, but it pulls it all into on big load time
[12:10] <muntyan> well, nevermind, i'll just edit menu by hands
[12:11] <muntyan> kontact is crap
[12:11] <nmorse> I like Kontact
[12:11] <transgress> i like it too
[12:11] <nmorse> It lets me read RSS feeds, check my mail, etc. all from one place
[12:11] <transgress> wish knode was on it though
[12:11] <kkathman> I dont like Kontact except for the RSS feeds
[12:11] <nmorse> But I can also still use the individual apps
[12:11] <andre> Tezkah 1 minut plz
[12:12] <muntyan> and kontact eats half of screen place just to be there
[12:12] <kkathman> kontact isnt exactly stable either
[12:13] <kkathman> I just use thunderbird for mail
[12:14] <transgress> muntyan: that's what virtual desktops are for.  i leave kontaxt on one, chats on one, browser on another... and the last is for random crap i have nowhere to put
[12:14] <Tezkah> Virtual?
[12:14] <Tezkah> I have SIX MACHINES RUNNING
[12:15] <Tezkah> each connected to a different monitor
[12:15] <kkathman> transgress: yep I have 8 desktops
[12:15] <transgress> neato... 
[12:15] <transgress> i don't do enough to need 8
[12:15] <transgress> i stick with 4
[12:15] <Tm_T> I have 8 virtual desktops in this pc ;p
[12:16] <Tm_T> x)
[12:16] <kkathman> well I got specific areas I use, like you
[12:17] <Tm_T> I'm fine with 2 desktop machines, 1 shell server, 486 laptop and couple pc:s in pieces
[12:17] <muntyan> transgress: no, kontact eats half of screen when it's maximized
[12:18] <muntyan> transgress: i mean, when you open kmail inside of kontact, kontact takes too much space
[12:18] <kkathman> Tm_T  in my immediate desk area...I have a Linux box, a very nice winbox, and a laotop all hooked to a switch so I can use the same keyboard and mouse
[12:18] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmh, I like separate keyboards :)
[12:18] <muntyan> transgress: and btw, virtual desktops are for those who likes using them :)
[12:19] <Tm_T> I only need 1 test pc to get
[12:19] <kkathman> Tm_T I have two other linux boxes sitting to my left, each of them have their own keyboard and mouse..they are file servers
[12:20] <kkathman> they are also hooked to the same monitor
[12:20] <Tm_T> kkathman: heh, I don't need fileservers :)
[12:20] <kkathman> Tm_T I just feel lonely if I dont have my little babies next to me hehehe
[12:20] <Tm_T> kkathman: but yes, I wan't to see that all
[12:20] <kkathman> each one is named after a girl I dated
[12:21] <Tm_T> kkathman: I book a next flight, jsut you wait ;p
[12:21] <Tm_T> s/jsut/just
[12:21] <kkathman> Tm_T come on down bro...I'll show you a good time...BBQ outside, have few beers
[12:22] <Tm_T> lovely =)
[12:22] <Tm_T> hmm, one problem... I think I can't flight for free
[12:22] <kkathman> whats a good source for open source games?
[12:22] <Tm_T> kkathman: google ;p
[12:22] <Tm_T> kkathman: try sf
[12:22] <kkathman> pffft :p
[12:23] <kkathman> Im tired of mahjohng
[12:24] <kkathman> I like playing Age of Empires on the PC
[12:24] <kkathman> wonder if there is something like that
[12:24] <Tm_T> hmm
[12:25] <Tm_T> try boson or freeciv
[12:29] <yahalom> man that was weird
[12:29] <yahalom> i lost everything
[12:29] <Tm_T> but not me
[12:29] <Tm_T> I'm still here
[12:29] <Tm_T> =)
[12:29] <yahalom> lol
[12:30] <yahalom> man all my icons on my panel vanished
[12:30] <yahalom> my fonts changed
[12:30] <yahalom> and i had no write permissions to ~/.kde
[12:30] <smouche> hey kkathman, what kind of switch do you use for those boxes?
[12:30] <smouche> can you recommend a brand?
[12:32] <Tm_T> smouche o/
[12:32] <smouche> hey Tm_T
[12:33] <yahalom> man isnt mplayer in the repos?
[12:33] <Tm_T> hmm, you know what I'm thinking?
[12:33] <Tm_T> yahalom: it is, in multiverse
[12:33] <yahalom> so why do i get this?
[12:33] <yahalom> E: Couldn't find package mplayer
[12:34] <Tm_T> sorry, it's in marillat
[12:34] <Tm_T> =)
[12:34] <Tm_T> me and my outdated brain
[12:34] <yahalom> ah that i dont have
[12:34] <Tm_T> kkathman: smouche: we should play one freeciv match between people from this channel
[12:34] <_kkathman> yah its NOT in the ubuntu repos
[12:35] <_kkathman> hmm why did it do that?
[12:35] <_kkathman> just booted me for some reason
[12:35] <Tm_T> what?
[12:35] <Tm_T> eh
[12:35] <smouche> you're on here twice, actually, kkathman, and you too, _kkathman
[12:35] <smouche> you must be impersonating yourself.
[12:35] <Tm_T> I'm only once
[12:36] <smouche> heh, dudes got a kvm switch on his own persona...
[12:36] <Tm_T> x)
[12:49] <Tm_T> smouche: you mean, boob trap?
[12:51] <Tm_T> =)
[12:54] <nmorse> I go to all of that trouble to compile koffice from source and it turns out you have to compile krita seperately anyways
[12:55] <Tm_T> eh?
[12:55] <Tm_T> no you don't have to
[12:55] <Tm_T> I just compiled Koffice
[12:56] <nmorse> I just did it and no krita was installed
[12:56] <nmorse> So now I cd'ed into the krita directory and hit make
[12:56] <nmorse> and voila! no code had been compiled there yet!
[12:57] <nmorse> Great, I do in fact need the imagemagick headers
[12:59] <nmorse> So, how about O'Reilly finally looking to release a Learning C++ book?
[12:59] <nmorse> Took them long enough
[12:59] <Tm_T> =)
[01:00] <nmorse> Who knows, now with the QT and KDE docs, I may even be able to contribute
[01:00] <nmorse> The only C++ book I've got is Sams Teach Yourself C++ in 24 Hours
[01:01] <nmorse> In which none of the code compiles
[01:01] <Tm_T> :p
[01:01] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I should print QT and KDE docs
[01:01] <Tm_T> and read them during the summer
[01:03] <thingy> nmorse: Do you know about the free C++ book by Bruce Eckel, (Thinking in C++) http://www.mindview.net/Books/TICPP/ThinkingInCPP2e.html You can download it for free!
[01:04] <nmorse> thingy: No I didn't, thanks for the help
[01:05] <vanRijn> woohoo!
[01:05] <vanRijn> I'm loving kubuntu
[01:05] <nmorse> put it on the laptop, did you?
[01:05] <vanRijn> oh yes
[01:05] <vanRijn> I can't explain why, but it feels faster than fedora core 3
[01:06] <vanRijn> more responsive
[01:06] <nmorse> It is faster than Fedora Core 3
[01:06] <vanRijn> maybe it's that new install thing
[01:06] <vanRijn> why?
[01:06] <nmorse> It's probably the non-4k stacks issue
[01:06] <vanRijn> dunno what that means. =:)
[01:06] <nmorse> And the amount of things compiled as modules
[01:06] <nmorse> And loaded at run-time without linspire's detect everything every boot approach
[01:07] <vanRijn> mmmm, also....  fedora's kdm/whatever honored ~/.Xclients-default.  debian/kubuntu's does not. anyone know why?
[01:07] <nmorse> And the lack of SELinux stuff, probably
[01:07] <vanRijn> yeah, selinux could explain some of it
[01:07] <nmorse> Even SuSE is faster than anything Red Hat
[01:08] <nmorse> I know from experience, mostly due to running a 350 mHz machine with 128 MB RAM for a long time
[01:08] <vanRijn> anyone know about the ~/.Xclients-default thing?  I believe that kdm should look for it/honor it if the user selects "default" from the session type at kdm login.  but it doesn't.
[01:09] <vanRijn> oh, and what's the preferred cpu frequency optimizer app?  cpudyn? cpufreq?
[01:10] <nmorse> welcome back Liz4rd
[01:11] <Liz4rd> hey!
[01:11] <Liz4rd> what i miss?
[01:11] <nmorse> not much, I suspect
[01:11] <Liz4rd> :P
[01:11] <Liz4rd> godd enogh
[01:11] <Liz4rd> i guess thats true since i havnt started anything yet
[01:13] <smouche> hey Liz4rd
[01:13] <Liz4rd> HEY smouche! i was talking about you today at school :P
[01:14] <smouche> oh oh! heh.
[01:14] <Liz4rd> yeah about the stuff you said about the pigeons and smoke singles thing :P
[01:16] <smouche> Liz4rd, heh heh, thanks
[01:16] <Jormundgand> I'm trying to install and use xfce but it doesn't appear under Sessions. What should I do?
[01:18] <Liz4rd> hey
[01:18] <Liz4rd> do you smoke pot?
[01:19] <smouche> not lately, Liz4rd, but I haven't completely detoxed from college, so there's probably a residual buzz
[01:19] <Jormundgand> Oops.
[01:19] <Jormundgand> Anyway.
[01:19] <Jormundgand> xfce not appearing in sessions list - help?
[01:19] <Liz4rd> k but man am i fried 
[01:20] <Liz4rd> i need muchies brb
[01:20] <Liz4rd> :P
[01:20] <nmorse> Jormundgand, there is a special way to set it up
[01:20] <Liz4rd> i dont like smoking
[01:20] <Jormundgand> nmorse, please enlighten me.
[01:21] <smouche> Jormundgand, sorry, don't know what to tell you; I have xfce4, and it's fine
[01:21] <nmorse> XFCE4 doesn't give KDM the desktop file by default
[01:21] <Jormundgand> I guess the fact that I'm using GDM doesn't help then.
[01:22] <nmorse> Oh, in GDM there's an easy solution
[01:22] <nmorse> Do you have KDM installed?
[01:22] <Jormundgand> No.
[01:23] <nmorse> Ok
[01:23] <nmorse> You see, all of the .desktop files used are Freedesktop.org compliant
[01:23] <nmorse> So the one from KDM works in GDM, and vice-versa
[01:23] <Jormundgand> Right.
[01:23] <nmorse> The point is that you need one to put in /usr/share/xsessions/
[01:23] <Jormundgand> Uh-huh.
[01:24] <nmorse> So hang on, I'll pm you with the appropriate file
[01:24] <Jormundgand> Bear in mind I'm in irssi right now, so no links.
[01:24] <nmorse> OK, that kind of limits options as my firewall won't let me send files out
[01:24] <nmorse> surely you can use wget for the link fetching?
[01:24] <Jormundgand> You could always PM me on the forum. I'm Jormundgand there.
[01:24] <Jormundgand> That's true too.
[01:25] <Jormundgand> Okay, PM away.
[01:29] <smouche> alright, Liz4rd, all that talk about munchies and pot has me jonesing for dinner, see ya!
[01:29] <Liz4rd> lol later
[01:30] <nmorse> that link working, Jormundgand?
[01:34] <nmorse> God I love techno
[01:34] <Tm_T> I don't
[01:35] <nmorse> Why not?
[01:35] <nmorse> My coding productivity goes through the roof when I listen to it while I work
[01:36] <jad> hi
[01:36] <nmorse> hello
[01:37] <Tm_T> nmorse: why not? I don't like "machine" music, that's why
[01:37] <jad> I need help installing irb
[01:37] <nmorse> Prefer your music performed on instruments?
[01:37] <jad> does anyone have a clue on how to do it.
[01:37] <Tm_T> nmorse: mostly yes
[01:37] <Tm_T> jad: what is irb?
[01:37] <nmorse> Did you know some techno is performed mostly on instruments?
[01:38] <jad> ruby command line interpreter.
[01:38] <nmorse> It's just a lot of filters
[01:38] <Tm_T> nmorse: yes
[01:38] <Tm_T> I know it very well
[01:38] <nmorse> Some techno can even be performed live, which is awesome
[01:38] <jad> Tm_T how can I look for package names so I can install them with apt-get?
[01:38] <nmorse> apt-cache search $packagename
[01:39] <Tm_T> yeah, but I don't like all that "loopish" style and mostly meaningless "lyrics"
[01:40] <mrmanic> nmorse: a buddy of mine used to do breakbeat live PAs.  they rocked hard
[01:40] <Tm_T> I like to listen classical, jazz, blues, folk, "medieval", rock, heavy and mixtures of those, but not techno or most pop stuff
[01:41] <nmorse> I really prefer my techno without lyrics
[01:41] <Tm_T> I just don't like all that polished and overproduced nonsense
[01:41] <Tm_T> nmorse: me too if I have to choose
[01:41] <mrmanic> it was a group of 4 of them with samplers and sequencers and a silly midi keytar for triggering vocal hits
[01:41] <mrmanic> I went to new orleans jazzfest earlier at the end of last month
[01:41] <mrmanic> really great live jazz (and other music)
[01:42] <mrmanic> definitely makes techno feel pretty lifeless
[01:42] <Tm_T> no shit =)
[01:42] <Jormundgand> if (sheep().count >= MAXBUF) { sleep(); };
[01:43] <Tm_T> when you hear over ten minute solo full of colours and feelings, you don't even remember your britney collection
[01:44] <jad> I don't think you're allowed to say britney in this channel.
[01:44] <Tm_T> in this context it is
[01:44] <Jormundgand> while(sheep().count > MAXBUF) { sleep().exit = NULL; sheep().count -= 1; };
[01:45] <mrmanic> are URLs encrypted over the web under SSL?
[01:45] <Tm_T> if you say "I love b**" I'll kick your ass, cut you in pieces and feed you to wolfes
[01:45] <mrmanic> !
[01:45] <mrmanic> s/web/wire/
[01:45] <Tm_T> I'm glad we have wolfes here
[01:46] <Jormundgand> I love B-asterisk-asterisk.
[01:46] <Tm_T> eh
[01:46] <Tm_T> no...
[01:46] <Tm_T> I won't say that name again
[01:46] <Tm_T> !
[01:47] <Tm_T> I'm warning you!
[01:47] <Jormundgand> I mangled the name for censorship.
[01:47] <Tm_T> yeah, but still, be careful with it
[01:49] <nmorse> Hmm, he left immediately after I fixed his problem
[01:49] <nmorse> Just a missing desktop file
[01:49] <Tm_T> haha
[01:50] <Tm_T> what was the problem?
[01:50] <nmorse> He couldn't get XFCE to show up in GDM's session list
[01:50] <nmorse> Just missing xfce4.desktop in /usr/share/xsessions/
[01:50] <Tm_T> yup
[01:50] <nmorse> Sent him mine, worked instantly
[01:51] <Tm_T> but hey, what he meant byt this? 02:24 < Jormundgand> Bear in mind I'm in irssi right now, so no links
[01:51] <Tm_T> "so no links" ?
[01:51] <nmorse> He meant, he didn't want me to give him a link to the file
[01:51] <Tm_T> heh
[01:51] <Tm_T> why not?
[01:51] <nmorse> So I gave him one anyway and told him to use wget
[01:51] <Tm_T> haha
[01:51] <Tm_T> hehehe
[01:52] <Tm_T> and there's lynx and others too =)
[01:52] <Tm_T> pine <3
[01:54] <transgress> links!
[01:54] <nmorse> Hang on, Error403 is my friend's gamertag on Xbox Live!
[01:54] <error403> could somebody please help me with installing an FTP server?  i have tried ProFTPd, Pure-FTPd and FTPd so far, and none of them have write permissions...
[01:55] <error403> they read fine
[01:55] <error403> but no write/create/rename
[01:55] <transgress> chane the config error403 
[01:55] <nmorse> pure-ftpd is very simple to set up for write permissions
[01:55] <nmorse> So long as you don't want anon write
[01:56] <error403> it is?
[01:56] <error403> i cant find the config files ANYWHERe
[01:56] <error403> lol
[01:56] <nmorse> Yeah, at least on FreeBSd
[01:56] <error403> well, i found them
[01:56] <nmorse> I kind of like the .dist files on the BSDs
[01:56] <error403> but not what i am after
[01:56] <transgress> proftpd's is in /etc
[01:56] <Tm_T> error403: why not use ssh?
[01:58] <error403> Tm_T, because i want to be able to access it with Zend PHP Studio
[01:58] <Tm_T> hmm, ok
[01:59] <error403> and why does ProFTPd stall for about 15 seconds when i try to connect to it?
[02:00] <error403> AHA
[02:00] <error403> delay_engine
[02:01] <nmorse> proftpd is a security hole, a literal sink for exploits
[02:01] <error403> ok...
[02:01] <transgress> eh?
[02:02] <error403> what should i be using then?
[02:02] <error403> what is the easiest to set up
[02:02] <error403> ?
[02:04] <nmorse> I really do like pureftpd
[02:04] <nmorse> It's really simple to set up really, though not particularly flexible
[02:05] <error403> hmmm?
[02:05] <nmorse> hey, Tm_T, did you manage to get Krita's interface set up like this - http://koffice.kde.org/krita/pics/rc.png ?
[02:07] <error403> ftp     stream  tcp     nowait  root    /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper    <<  Is that right in my inetd.conf?
[02:08] <nmorse> I usually run pure-ftpd as standalone
[02:08] <error403> oh.....
[02:08] <error403> is there much difference in setup between the two?
[02:09] <transgress> stand alone is handier to kill if need be
[02:09] <nmorse> Oh, probably not that much difference in config though
[02:09] <error403> well, i find 'killall pure-ftpd' does the trick....
[02:09] <nmorse> anyway, the config file I got was well-commented and self-explanatory
[02:09] <error403> welll, i have installed it via apt-get
[02:09] <nmorse> I wonder if Ubuntu's is anything like FreeBSD's though?
[02:11] <Tm_T> nmorse: easily
[02:11] <myth8y> Hi, I have some probleme with amsn, when I try to open it, he load, and close, I install it from the .deb some one have a idea?
[02:12] <error403> So, can somebody tell me where i need to change things so that it has the right (write?) permissions?
[02:12] <Liz4rd> what do you want to change?
[02:12] <Liz4rd> what file
[02:12] <nmorse> How, Tm_T?
[02:12] <Liz4rd> chmod 777 filename (as root)
[02:12] <error403> ...
[02:13] <transgress> lol you misunderstood Liz4rd 
[02:13] <error403> do i need to do that to my public_html dir?
[02:13] <transgress> NO
[02:13] <error403> lol
[02:13] <transgress> never chmod 777
[02:13] <error403> didnt think so
[02:13] <error403> so what should it be chmodded to?
[02:14] <transgress> don't care if the pope says so
[02:14] <error403> lol
[02:14] <error403> 755 maximum, right?
[02:14] <transgress> umm i think mine is 755
[02:14] <Liz4rd> i dont know
[02:14] <Liz4rd> sur4e
[02:16] <error403> hmmmm
[02:16] <Tm_T> nmorse: just drag and drop ;)
[02:16] <error403> is it BAD news that i did rm -rf /etc/pure-ftpd   ?
[02:16] <Liz4rd> rm -rf /
[02:16] <error403> lol
[02:17] <Liz4rd> :D
[02:17] <error403> i did that for fun once
[02:17] <Liz4rd> really?
[02:17] <error403> just to see how long it stayed alive
[02:17] <error403> yes
[02:17] <error403> was fun
[02:17] <Liz4rd> and?
[02:17] <Liz4rd> how long did it
[02:17] <error403> but then i realised i had my windoze partition mounted...
[02:17] <error403> >.<
[02:17] <Liz4rd> :P
[02:17] <error403> but
[02:17] <error403> it lived for a while...
[02:17] <error403> everything started glitching
[02:17] <error403> and then it froze on shutdown
[02:18] <error403> i was left with only about 12 bash commands...
[02:18] <transgress> yeah it might be bad that you removed pure-ftpd stuff from etc
[02:18] <Liz4rd> lol
[02:18] <error403> transgress, should i try installing pure-ftpd from source now instead?
[02:18] <transgress> why did you rm -rf it?
[02:18] <transgress> and why use source when there is apt?:
[02:18] <transgress> nah really you can if you like
[02:19] <transgress> but i would suggest using checkinstall on the source so as to be able to keep up with it
[02:19] <error403> because, i thought it would recreate the config when i reinstalled from apt-get
[02:19] <transgress> completely remove it, then install it again and it should... 
[02:19] <error403> completely remove == apt-get remove pure-ftpd yes?
[02:20] <Tm_T> error403: no, it leaves all config files atc
[02:20] <transgress> Tm_T: but he removed them
[02:20] <error403> lol
[02:20] <Tm_T> ok, then it's ok
[02:20] <transgress> Tm_T: so if he reinstalls it, then it should put them there again
[02:20] <Tm_T> yes
[02:20] <transgress> unless of course the debian gods hate you
[02:21] <Liz4rd> dam coffe swirk
[02:21] <Liz4rd> swirl*
[02:21] <error403> nope, not there...
[02:21] <error403> >.<
[02:22] <transgress> debian gods hate you
[02:22] <error403> 'http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh script will fix kdelibs bug' - is that to fix the problem where kdelibs-data wont upgrade?
[02:23] <nmorse> Yeah
[02:23] <error403> k
[02:23] <error403> cool
[02:24] <Tm_T> nmorse: hmm, you got it?
[02:25] <nmorse> Got what? The krita stuff looking like that pic?
[02:25] <Tm_T> yes
[02:26] <nmorse> I have the toolbars lined up correctly now
[02:26] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/krita_001.png
[02:26] <Tm_T> :)
[02:26] <nmorse> But I couldn't redock them at the top after moving them to the left
[02:26] <nmorse> Had to delete my kritarc and start over and do it right the first time
[02:27] <nmorse> What resolution is that at, Tm_T?
[02:27] <Tm_T> nmorse: 1280x1024
[02:27] <Tm_T> too small imo
[02:27] <nmorse> Ahh, I think my 1280x800 is limiting the height too much
[02:27] <Tm_T> =)
[02:27] <nmorse> I can't seem to get the things on the right to stack like that
[02:27] <Tm_T> "widescreen"
[02:27] <turkeyonmyface> what xserver do you require to run an nvidia mx4000 in ubuntu, anyone?
[02:27] <nmorse> Is f'ing awesome for most stuff
[02:28] <Tm_T> turkeyonmyface: xorg?
[02:28] <Tm_T> and we don't require a thing, actually you don't need xserver
[02:28] <nmorse> Tm_T: I just minimized a few of the dockers and they stacked right up
[02:28] <nmorse> Glad that worked for me
[02:28] <turkeyonmyface> ok, i am really new to all this, xorg is and does what exactly?
[02:28] <Tm_T> =)
[02:29] <transgress> it lets you use X11
[02:29] <Tm_T> turkeyonmyface: it's xserver, and if you installed kubuntu/ubuntu normal way, you got it already
[02:30] <turkeyonmyface> ok, well i have installed uuntu and all i get is x server error and it disables the gui until it is set up propperly
[02:30] <Tm_T> heh
[02:30] <turkeyonmyface> it says i need to configuethe x server
[02:30] <Tm_T> so it's xorg.conf then
[02:31] <turkeyonmyface> ok
[02:31] <turkeyonmyface> thanks
[02:33] <Tm_T> eh
[02:33] <Tm_T> why he left?
[02:33] <Tm_T> I bet he's back in 5mins
[02:33] <nmorse> Because he's crazy
[02:34] <nmorse> I bet less than that
[02:34] <Tm_T> haha
[02:34] <Tm_T> I keep wondering people
[02:34] <Tm_T> just amazing
[02:35] <transgress> ha... i deal with this all day at work
[02:35] <Tm_T> work?
[02:35] <Tm_T> what's that
[02:35] <transgress> like someone bitching "Your mail server is causing my emails to be bounced back"... because you're not using us as your mail server...
[02:35] <Tm_T> one of my friends once told me about thing called work
[02:35] <transgress> i work as a tech for a webhosting company
[02:35] <nmorse> I think I need to get a tech job
[02:36] <Tm_T> no, it was fork
[02:36] <nmorse> Working in a grocery store sucks
[02:36] <Tm_T> nmorse: why?
[02:36] <Tm_T> nmorse: I think I would like it =)
[02:36] <nmorse> Why does working in a grocery store suck?
[02:36] <hans_> how do i install games with cedega? i installed the prog but cant install games...any help?
[02:36] <nmorse> I do 3 people's jobs for barely over minimum wage
[02:36] <Tm_T> nmorse: well then
[02:36] <transgress> heh... main great thing about working at this job... my last girlfriend broke up with me for not getting a job (she was 17... i'm 19), and bitched how i just sat at the computer and read books all day
[02:37] <Tm_T> x)
[02:37] <transgress> well i got this job because my boss was a member of the Local LUG... and now i make more than her
[02:37] <transgress> and i get paid more to ... well sit in front of the computer and read all day
[02:38] <nmorse> Excellent, transgress
[02:38] <Tm_T> nmorse: what, he's not back yet :o
[02:39] <Tm_T> nmorse: I think he lost his Konvi =)
[02:39] <transgress> Tm_T: that's because his X is broken
[02:39] <Tm_T> ah yes
[02:39] <Tm_T> so it's... hmm, he uses mirc then, dualboot?
[02:41] <Tm_T> you pervert!
[02:41] <transgress> err i meant eye!
[02:41] <transgress> eye!
[02:42] <Tm_T> butt...eye, I know what you're up to, sovinist!
[02:43] <Tm_T> ;)
[02:43] <mrmanic> hans_: try /join #cedega
[02:43] <transgress> did someone actually ask something?
[02:43] <Tm_T> what?
[02:43] <transgress> oh
[02:43] <transgress> wow
[02:43] <Tm_T> you just did
[02:43] <Tm_T> I did too :o
[02:43] <transgress> someone did ask a real question up there... way to go mrmanic for catching that
[02:43] <Tm_T> whoa
[02:44] <Tm_T> oh, yes, I saw that =)
[02:44] <transgress> http://bash.org/?507269
[02:44] <Tm_T> time to sleep, good night kids ->
[02:44] <transgress> night
[02:45] <amu> transgress: i've a real question :) 
[02:45] <mrmanic> transgress: that's funny
[02:46] <transgress> amu: what's that?
[02:46] <mrmanic> amu: I didn't see your question
[02:46] <amu> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7971
[02:46] <transgress> that's not a question... thats a link
[02:46] <transgress> imap works fine for me in kmail
[02:46] <transgress> you sure it isn't your imap server?
[02:47] <transgress> i pull off around 400 messages a day from imap at work
[02:47] <amu> also those caldenar offline imap sync? 
[02:47] <mrmanic> do you do any calendar/addressbook stuff?
[02:48] <mrmanic> I keep all my stuff local
[02:48] <transgress> what do you mean by calendar addressbook stuff?
[02:48] <transgress> like on the server or on my box?
[02:48] <mrmanic> on the server
[02:48] <hobbes23> hey what it is my brothers?
[02:49] <transgress> no i don't
[02:49] <mrmanic> that is where the issue seems to lie.
[02:49] <amu> transgress: read after -- Actual results:
[02:49] <mrmanic> hi hobbes23 
[02:49] <transgress> hobbes23: not much.  what's going on?
[02:49] <amu> 1. Trying to add an "Addressbook on IMAP server via KMail" does not
[02:49] <amu>    add anything to the list of addressbooks.
[02:50] <hobbes23> just chillin
[02:50] <transgress> how the hell do you add an addressbook?  
[02:50] <hobbes23> watching some rangers on tv
[02:50] <transgress> like the power kind?
[02:51] <nmorse> back so soon Jormundgand?
[02:51] <mrmanic> or the rescue kind?
[02:51] <Jormundgand> nmorse: Yes, got xfce working.
[02:51] <Jormundgand> And it rocks.
[02:51] <Jormundgand> But I have a small problem.
[02:51] <nmorse> XFCE4 does in fact rock
[02:51] <transgress> eh it's okay
[02:51] <Jormundgand> When I try to run Synaptic I get the "type password to run synaptic" box.
[02:52] <Jormundgand> But when I type, I get boxes with hex in.
[02:52] <transgress> i need to pick up some stuff to put my hair in dreadlocks tomorrow... hey someone remind me of that before tomorrow morning
[02:52] <amu> transgress: ic you do not have a notion:)
[02:52] <Jormundgand> transgress: you need to pick up some stuff to put your hair in dreadlocks.
[02:52] <Jormundgand> See, it's before tomorrow morning.
[02:52] <mrmanic> transgress: what about imsmarter?
[02:53] <nmorse> Quick, someone set up a cron job to tell him that
[02:53] <hobbes23> lol
[02:53] <Jormundgand> nmorse: Any help with my small problem?
[02:53] <Jormundgand> Yay cookie!
[02:54] <hobbes23> i have a question?
[02:54] <transgress> no you don't
[02:54] <Jormundgand> Wow. Self-referential, hobbes.
[02:54] <hobbes23> my ubuntu system found my wireless network card
[02:55] <hobbes23> and i want to do some wardriving but not sure where to start
[02:55] <hobbes23> ?
[02:55] <nmorse> I don't know Ubuntu's hacked together sudo system well enough, Jormundgand
[02:55] <hobbes23> the first linux system i have found to find my wireless card
[02:56] <hobbes23> which rocks
[02:56] <hobbes23> i am happy it did
[03:05] <transgress> only a few more hours folks!
[03:05] <nmorse> Well, Krita does in fact thoroughly rock
[03:05] <transgress> okay more like 13 but still!
[03:06] <nmorse> If only it didn't have that toolbar orientation bug, and if CMYK support came in this release
[03:06] <nmorse> Still better than the GIMP, though
[03:10] <mrmanic> you can get better than the gimp?
[03:10] <mrmanic> !
[03:10] <mrmanic> does krita support wacom tablets with pressure sensitivity?
[03:20] <nmorse> No, I can't say that I've ever used a wacom
[03:20] <nmorse> Nor do I know if it supports them
[03:21] <nmorse> Does the GIMP just use a linux driver for it?
[03:23] <nmorse> Those of us who use these programs for newspapers dont' tend to have the budgets (or really the need) for wacom tablets
[03:26] <nmorse> But Scribus is definitely one of the nicest open source projects for those of us printing to real presses
[03:26] <nmorse> Easy to use page layout software with full CMYK support
[03:26] <nmorse> As soon as Krita gets CMYK there's no need for Win, Mac, or Adobe
[03:27] <transgress> people are so funny... 
[03:27] <transgress> like herpes are funny
[03:27] <transgress> ... only funny when you don't have to deal with them
[03:33] <nmorse> that's a great quote transgress
[03:33] <nmorse> It should really wind up on bash.org
[03:35] <mrmanic> nmorse: GIMP uses the wacom driver but also has built-in support hooks.
[03:35] <nmorse> Hmm. You may want to file that as a wish on Krita's bugzilla stuff
[03:36] <mrmanic> not a bad idea
[03:36] <nmorse> Don't hurry too much
[03:36] <transgress> nmorse: bash it for me then
[03:36] <nmorse> The freeze is on Monday and that's definitely a brand new feature
[03:38] <nmorse> Quote #517833, transgress
[03:38] <mrmanic> ok
[03:38] <nmorse> 517883*
[04:25] <Liz4rd> blarg
[04:39] <nmorse> what's with the blarg?
[04:40] <hayden> lol
[04:41] <Liz4rd> got your attention didnt it?
[04:41] <Liz4rd> i was bored
[04:41] <Liz4rd> no one was talking
[04:41] <nmorse> I'm busy reading bash.org while waiting to go to Star Wars: Episode III
[04:43] <Liz4rd> :P i'm watching E3 livce
[04:43] <Liz4rd> live
[04:43] <Liz4rd> wheres the apache config file located?
[04:47] <Liz4rd> nvm
[04:47] <Liz4rd> foudd it
[05:07] <Tm_T> hop
[05:12] <nmorse> so, guys, emacs or vi?
[05:12] <Liz4rd> vi
[05:12] <nmorse> Just starting a conversation here
[05:12] <nmorse> But I think vi is the one true text editor
[05:13] <nmorse> and obviously KDE
[05:13] <Liz4rd> i use pico in despret times
[05:13] <nmorse> Joe and nano are my fallbacks
[05:14] <Liz4rd> never heard of nano
[05:14] <nmorse> It's ubuntu's default, no?
[05:14] <sirukin> vi
[05:14] <sirukin> only hackers use emacs
[05:14] <sirukin> :{
[05:14] <sirukin> evil evil evil hackers
[05:15] <sirukin> hehe
[05:15] <Liz4rd> sirukin!!!
[05:15] <sirukin> hey Liz4rd 
[05:15] <sirukin> duh, I use cat and echo!
[05:15] <Liz4rd> hey man i was wondering if sometime you could show me some pythom?
[05:15] <sirukin> nano is the editor of choice
[05:15] <hayden> why do people end a question with 'yes' or 'no'?
[05:15] <Liz4rd> python*
[05:15] <sirukin> hayden, to emphasis a predesired response.
[05:15] <nmorse> Python is the best scripting language every
[05:16] <nmorse> Particularly with PyKDE for gui apps
[05:16] <sirukin> Liz4rd, I can't help you
[05:16] <nmorse> Buy Learning Python
[05:16] <Liz4rd> well if i'm stuck in a program could i turn to you for help?
[05:16] <sirukin> books are good, but what's even better is practise.
[05:17] <mrmanic> could you write a kioslave in python?
[05:17] <sirukin> Liz4rd, no I'm afraid I'm busy most of the time
[05:17] <nmorse> I have no idea, mrmanic
[05:17] <Liz4rd> mm alright thanks anyway
[05:17] <nmorse> Can you in another scripting language?
[05:17] <sirukin> the folks in #python on freenode would be glad to assist afaik
[05:17] <Liz4rd> latly i'v been wanting to learn it so bad
[05:18] <sirukin> what's stopping you?
[05:18] <Liz4rd> i'm 16
[05:18] <nmorse> got to go guys
[05:28] <Tm_T> hi kids
[05:28] <Liz4rd> hey daddy!
[05:28] <Tm_T> any tip for a good window deco?
[05:28] <Tm_T> I need "minimalist" grey/silver stuff thank you
[05:29] <Tm_T> I think this baghira is too "heavy"
[05:32] <Liz4rd> http://liz4rd.ath.cx
[05:33] <kkathman> hey all
[05:34] <Tm_T> kkathman: o/
[05:35] <Liz4rd> :O kkathman!!! *hey man
[05:36] <Liz4rd> :P
[05:36] <kkathman> wassup
[05:36] <Liz4rd> http://liz4rd.ath.cx
[05:36] <Liz4rd> nothing
[05:36] <kkathman> internet went down earlier :(\
[05:36] <Tm_T> :/
[05:37] <Liz4rd> Tm_T can you see the page
[05:38] <Tm_T> I think yes, so?
[05:38] <mrmanic> I like baghira a lot
[05:38] <mrmanic> Liz4rd: I can.
[05:38] <mrmanic> Liz4rd: I didn't realize that.
[05:38] <Liz4rd> :P
[05:39] <Liz4rd> its the anti-transgress site
[05:39] <kkathman> lol
[05:39] <mrmanic> no offense intended, but your web design skills need some work ;)
[05:39] <kkathman> anti-transgress hehe
[05:40] <Liz4rd> lol mrmanic wanan se emy real design skills?
[05:40] <Liz4rd> http://evasivx.bioviral.net
[05:40] <mrmanic> oh
[05:40] <Liz4rd> :)
[05:40] <mrmanic> you were just slumming
[05:40] <mrmanic> I see
[05:40] <transgress> hey Liz4rd ... check out this cool site i found.  liz4rd.ath.cx
[05:40] <mrmanic> :)
[05:40] <Liz4rd> i jsut did that lil thing for fun
[05:41] <Liz4rd> :D
[05:41] <Liz4rd> oops he found it *hides*
[05:41] <Tm_T> mrmanic: me too but I just start to feel that I want lighter and less buggy theme/style/deco
[05:41] <Liz4rd> no, no more spanks!!
[05:41] <transgress> Liz4rd: go have a look
[05:41] <Tm_T> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=20798
[05:41] <Tm_T> you like this one?
[05:41] <Tm_T> I will try it =)
[05:41] <Liz4rd> OH YOU FUCKER
[05:41] <transgress> lmao
[05:42] <transgress> thanks Liz4rd, i needed a good laugh
[05:42] <Liz4rd> look aagian
[05:43] <Liz4rd> http://evasivx.bioviral.net
[05:43] <Liz4rd> http://liz4rd.ath.cx
[05:43] <Liz4rd> http://liz4rd.ath.cx
[05:43] <Liz4rd> :D
[05:43] <mrmanic> Tm_T: I can understand your feeling re: lighter and less buggy
[05:43] <transgress> k.  have a look Liz4rd 
[05:44] <Liz4rd> now you look
[05:44] <transgress> give up?
[05:46] <Tm_T> mrmanic: =)
[05:46] <Liz4rd> now look transgress
[05:46] <Liz4rd> CHANGE ME NOW
[05:46] <Tm_T> mrmanic: actually I think I show'd first baghira screenshot to you =)
[05:47] <mrmanic> I am using baghira right now.
[05:47] <mrmanic> I'd screenshot, but it's really very boring
[05:47] <kkathman> how is that screensaver?
[05:48] <mrmanic> screensaver?
[05:49] <kkathman> I change my screens so much, its not worth screenshotting :)
[05:57] <kkathman> man I have had the weirdest things happen today on my network :)
[05:59] <Tm_T> hmh, can't find windeco :/
[06:00] <kkathman> huh?
[06:00] <nate____> anyone know a good interface maker for programming languages?
[06:01] <kkathman> interface maker??
[06:02] <nate____> yeah, like glade, only that it works
[06:02] <nate____> or like the one in visual basic, or visual basic.net
[06:02] <kkathman> do you mean an IDE?
[06:03] <nate____> well maybe, but more for building of graphical interfaces
[06:04] <Tm_T> kkathman: I mean the one I would let use my desktop ;p
[06:04] <kkathman> yeah I only really know of like Visual Studio and the VB6 toolset, other than like Dreamweaver for web
[06:05] <kkathman> Tm_T I dunno what windeco is
[06:05] <Tm_T> kkathman: the window decoration, I mean the titlebar, borders etc etc
[06:06] <kkathman> oh
[06:06] <kkathman> wasnt aware of that name for it
[06:07] <kkathman> Geez I was hoping to cache smouche tonight
[06:07] <kkathman> Im going to be in his area tomorrow and Friday :)
[06:09] <Tm_T> heh
[06:10] <Tm_T> ok, restarting KDE ->
[06:13] <Tm_T> better
[06:29] <kkathman> restarting KDE...why?
[06:30] <kkathman> cuz you lost the windeco :)
[06:30] <Tm_T> no, I changed it
[06:31] <Tm_T> and I wanted all windows to load it correctly
[06:31] <kkathman> howd you change?
[06:31] <Tm_T> ?
[06:31] <kkathman> no, I changed it
[06:32] <kkathman> and I said...what did you change?
[06:32] <Tm_T> deco and style
[06:33] <Tm_T> from http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_021.png to http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_026.png
[06:33] <smouche> yo, kkathman?
[06:34] <Tm_T> smouche: hi
[06:34] <smouche> hey Tm_T.
[06:34] <smouche> just woke up.
[06:35] <Tm_T> hmm, haven't slept
[06:35] <Tm_T> maybe I should =)
[06:35] <mrmanic> nate_: what kdevelop designer?
[06:35] <mrmanic> er, what about kdevelop designer?
[06:35] <smouche> kkathman, you're gonna be in New York tomorrow?
[06:36] <kkathman> yep
[06:36] <kkathman> actually Tarrytown
[06:36] <smouche> cool
[06:36] <kkathman> well thats where Im staying
[06:37] <kkathman> Im assuming thats near Yonkers
[06:37] <smouche> Staying through the weekend?
[06:37] <kkathman> since thats where our appointment is
[06:37] <kkathman> nah..Im there Thurs & Friday...flying home Friday afternoon
[06:39] <kkathman> going there for just a 4-5 hour demo...long way to go for just that :)
[06:39] <kkathman> but they are on a fast track to buy...sooo...off I go
[06:39] <smouche> in Westchester county, yeah
[06:40] <smouche> I think your in "Legend of Sleepy Hollow" territory there, actually, kkathman
[06:40] <smouche> Tarrytown, that is
[06:40] <Liz4rd> smouche!!!
[06:40] <Liz4rd> hey man
[06:40] <smouche> hey Liz4rd
[06:41] <smouche> I just woke up, which sucks cause I need to be up for real in six hours
[06:42] <kkathman> We are flying into Newark, cuz we figured it would be easier to get there on a Friday afternoon, rather than go to LGA
[06:42] <Liz4rd> http://liz4rd.ath.cx <-- i should add somethign funny there
[06:42] <smouche> If you were gonna be around a little longer, kkathman, I'd suggest you come down to Manhattan for a concert at the CUNY grad center I'm attending, in Manhattan.
[06:43] <smouche> That's late Friday evening though
[06:43] <kkathman> I wish I was...but we have a family outing here Saturday, and Im leaving on Sunday to go to Long Beach so I figure I need all the time I can get
[06:43] <smouche> kkathman, easier to get to Jersey on on a Friday afternoon? I don't know.
[06:44] <kkathman> from Yonkers?
[06:45] <kkathman> I have no idea actually, I was going on info from another person thats been up there alot
[06:45] <smouche> well, I don't drive, so I'm clueless, but I'd think you'd be fighting less traffic if you drove to Queens
[06:46] <kkathman> you prob subway or cab it right?
[06:46] <smouche> me, yeah.  Or walk.
[06:46] <smouche> Long Beach?  I presume you don't mean Long Beach, Long Island
[06:46] <smouche> heh heh
[06:46] <kkathman> yeah I mean Long Beach, CA on Sunday
[06:47] <Tm_T> hell of a chedule =)
[06:47] <Tm_T> hmm, I think there's typo...
[06:47] <kkathman> I go to NY thurs-fri,  home fri night through 4:00pm Sunday, then to Long Beach for a week
[06:47] <mae> what would you guys say the greatest weakness in the kde desktop is
[06:48] <kkathman> so my body's clock wont have a clue where Im at
[06:48] <kkathman> mae: its a bit pricey to run memorywise, and illogical at times to configure
[06:49] <mae> kkathman: ic, what about programs, which ones are missing.. that are fundamentally useful, not necesarily anything complicated
[06:50] <smouche> yeah, kkathman, LaGuardia's a lot closer to Tarrytown than Newark is
[06:51] <kkathman> mae: well you can run both KDE and Gnome progs in KDE, so the full complement is available
[06:51] <mae> kkathman: if you could have one gtk app ported to qt, what would it be?
[06:51] <kkathman> smouche: well, I should have consulted you :)
[06:52] <kkathman> mae:  GAIM
[06:52] <mae> kkathman: not a fan of kopete eh? :)
[06:52] <kkathman> cuz Kopete is really unstable as an IM
[06:52] <kakalto> for some reason kopete thinks that I give the wrong password...
[06:52] <kkathman> nope..I use it, but I regularly have to restart it
[06:52] <kakalto> even when I sign in exactly the same on web
[06:52] <smouche> no, you should have consulted expedia.com
[06:52] <mae> hmph, works fine for me
[06:52] <kkathman> yeah I get that too, kakalto 
[06:52] <kakalto> *shrugs*
[06:52] <smouche> heh heh
[06:52] <kakalto> but it only sometimes does that
[06:53] <smouche> not a long drive either way, kkathman.
[06:53] <smouche> it's just I think of late Friday and traffic flows, and it's mostly going to New Jersey
[06:54] <Tezkah> kkathman did I tell you
[06:54] <Tezkah> Gentoo killed my father
[06:54] <Tezkah> and raped my mother!
[06:54] <kkathman> huh?
[06:54] <Tezkah> joke
[06:55] <Tezkah> heh
[06:55] <kakalto> gentoo...
[06:55] <Tezkah> it has the perfect alibi though...
[06:55] <mae> hm
[06:56] <mae> gentoo seems dead lately
[06:56] <Tezkah> it was compiling at the time of the murder!
[06:56] <kakalto> gentoo stole my internet connection and my computer for a few days
[06:56] <mae> they were supposed to change the web page. like a y ear ago..
[06:56] <kakalto> and in the end, everything didn't work...
[06:56] <Tezkah> aww
[06:56] <kkathman> smouche: well we finish our presentation at 2:00-2:30 and have a 6:00pm flight out of Newark
[06:56] <smouche> kkathman, anyway, Tarrytown's on the Hudson I assume, should be lovely this time of year
[06:56] <Tezkah> its not the distro that causes me to make fun of it... just the users
[06:56] <smouche> hope you're not stuck inside the whole time
[06:57] <smouche> ah, ya got plenty of time kkathman
[06:57] <kkathman> smouche:  well, like most of my travels, its home-airport-hotel-customer-airport-home
[06:57] <smouche> it's like a 45 minute drive or something
[06:57] <kkathman> I think if we have a HARD stop at 3:00pm we will be fine
[06:58] <kkathman> if there's no weather probs
[06:58] <kkathman> smouche: hows the temps up there day/night
[06:59] <smouche> well, kkathman, right now it's in the high fifties (1 am)
[06:59] <kkathman> smouche, its 77 here right now at midnight :)
[06:59] <smouche> looking good through the weekend, fifties and sixties
[07:00] <kkathman> sounds good weather...great :)
[07:00] <kkathman> smouche: whole family is going to the horse races on Saturday -- great fun!
[07:01] <smouche> cool, putting bets down/
[07:01] <smouche> ?
[07:01] <kkathman> yeah we'll dabble a bit...its much more fun when you do
[07:01] <kkathman> but not like $100
[07:01] <smouche> 77 at midnight, in May?  jeez, I couldn't handle Texas weather
[07:01] <kkathman> more like a couple of bucks on a few races
[07:02] <kkathman> smouche, last couple of years, its been hotter in New York in the Summer than here in Dallas tho
[07:02] <smouche> no no no , nah, no waaaayyyy
[07:03] <kkathman> I thought you guyz had a couple of summers there in a row that it got over 100 for a few days
[07:03] <smouche> well hell, maybe with the "misery index"
[07:03] <smouche> crushing humidity
[07:03] <kkathman> we didnt have one 100 degree day last summer...very unusual
[07:03] <smouche> weird.
[07:03] <kkathman> we stayed in the mid to upper 90s tho
[07:04] <smouche> yeah, total days over ninety you probably have us beat, but we can hit 100 occasionally
[07:05] <kkathman> well COLD you got US beat...last time I was there...was in February 2003 and it was like in the low 20's with a wind chill like around 2
[07:05] <Tezkah> I tried opening Emacs on a BeBox
[07:05] <Tezkah> in 2001
[07:05] <Tezkah> it JUST OPENED
[07:05] <kkathman> we stayed at the Times Square Marriott there and walked to the shows
[07:05] <kkathman> hey closure :)
[07:05] <closure> hey kkathman 
[07:05] <closure> what's up?
[07:06] <kkathman> nada man...just chilling and chattin
[07:06] <smouche> there goes the Riddler
[07:06] <kkathman> yeah the Riddler
[07:06] <smouche> hey closure
[07:06] <kkathman> G4 E3 ??
[07:06] <kakalto> g4?
[07:06] <closure> why is the new gaim not in the backports repo
[07:06] <closure> G4 is a tv channel
[07:07] <closure> E3 is the worlds largest gaming convention
[07:07] <closure> press con
[07:07] <kkathman> closure ya gotta download the source from the sourceforge site and compile it
[07:07] <kkathman> ahh
[07:07] <kkathman> we watched some horse racing on our PCs tonight...did some mock wagering to hone our skills
[07:07] <smouche> closure, compile gaim is kkathman favorite sport after horse racing
[07:08] <kkathman> lol
[07:08] <kkathman> smouche I dont want you to get the wrong idea...I have been exactly 3 times in my life to a horse race:)
[07:08] <kkathman> but now they make it so much easier
[07:09] <kkathman> but for $5/month we can watch every race at our local track here
[07:09] <kkathman> its a bit more fun that going to a casino :)
[07:10] <kkathman> than
[07:10] <smouche> hey, Liz4rd , brand new blog eh?
[07:12] <Tezkah> blogs are like assholes, everyone has one, and they all smell.
[07:12] <Tezkah> oops
[07:14] <smouche> kkathman, I once spent a summer wagering on horses
[07:14] <smouche> on an impulse I had put down a 30 dollar bet
[07:14] <smouche> won about 150 bucks on it
[07:14] <smouche> took two months to lose that
[07:14] <smouche> then I stopped.
[07:15] <smouche> fair entertainment value, I thought!
[07:15] <kakalto> gaim randomly crashes :(
[07:15] <kakalto> kopete thinks I have the wrong password :(
[07:15] <kakalto> skype is commercial :(
[07:15] <kakalto> amsn crashes more often than anything else :(
[07:16] <smouche> but irc is eternal!
[07:16] <Tm_T> internal
[07:16] <Tm_T> you are all inside me
[07:16] <smouche> Tm_T?
[07:16] <Tm_T> you just don't know it
[07:16] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[07:17] <smouche> Tm_T, have you been watching The Matrix again???
[07:17] <Tm_T> nope
[07:17] <Tm_T> I'm just ... me?
[07:17] <smouche> good
[07:17] <Tm_T> oh yes, I'm damn good ;p
[07:17] <smouche> heh, "you are all inside me"
[07:17] <Tm_T> eternal -> external <> internal
[07:18] <Tm_T> I like to play with words
[07:18] <smouche> interesting philosophical perspective there; google solipsism
[07:18] <Tm_T> google?
[07:19] <smouche> yeah, you know, Tm_T, like "search within yourself", dude! ;-)
[07:19] <Tm_T> ah
[07:19] <Tm_T> =)
[07:19] <Tm_T> aaah, Wigwam <3
[07:23] <kkathman> had to go get me a snack
[07:23] <Tm_T> breakfast yummy
[07:23] <Tm_T> this time I got milk!
[07:23] <smouche> It's all in your head, Tm_T
[07:24] <Tm_T> I don't have a head
[07:24] <Liz4rd> http://liz4rd.ath.cx/
[07:24] <Liz4rd> i will add to it tomorrow
[07:24] <Tm_T> "look mam, no hands!"
[07:24] <smouche> Tm_T, I can't make heads or tails of you, dude
[07:25] <Tm_T> keep your hands of from my tail, you pervert!
[07:25] <kkathman> smouche: The last time my wife, oldest son and I went, we went on $1 day..all food and drink (including beer) was $1. We took $100 and divided it up... At the end of the day we had $86 of it still left.  Where can you go, spend $14 for 3 people to have fun for 6 hours, and eat for that?
[07:25] <smouche> alright, Liz4rd, I got it bookmarked.  Where's "cx" ?
[07:25] <Tm_T> smouche: c-x, sex :/
[07:26] <Tm_T> goat.cx ?
[07:26] <smouche> I agree, kkathman, if you're gonna bet on something, horse races are the coolest
[07:26] <smouche> people here blow their paychecks on lottery tickets and pretend they're not gambling
[07:27] <Liz4rd> smouche: http://liz4rd.ath.cx what do you think?
[07:27] <kkathman> well anyway...I'll see you guyz maybe tomorrow if I get on the net from NY... Gotta get to sleep so I can get up reasonably early to get to the airport :)
[07:27] <kkathman> nighters
[07:28] <kakalto> is there any other im clients?
[07:28] <smouche> well, Liz4rd , I think none of the links work yet!  What are you gonna put on there?
[07:28] <Tm_T> kakalto: then?
[07:28] <Liz4rd> probly some linuxz docx
[07:29] <Liz4rd> tutorials on stuff
[07:29] <kakalto> than gaim and kopete
[07:29] <Liz4rd> the upload thing will be free ;)
[07:29] <smouche> and what's moo and moo?
[07:29] <Liz4rd> i cant think of things to put there tet
[07:29] <Liz4rd> :P
[07:29] <Tm_T> kakalto: irssi w/ bitlbee ;p
[07:29] <Tm_T> have you mooed today?
[07:29] <Liz4rd> twice
[07:30] <smouche> here comes the milk again
[07:30] <Liz4rd> oh god
[07:30] <closure> hey! i just got a glass of milk
[07:30] <closure> am i on camera!?!
[07:31] <closure> i <3 my mini fridg
[07:31] <closure> e
[07:31] <Liz4rd> jug*
[07:31] <Liz4rd> closure: dont we all :)
[07:31] <Liz4rd> lol
[07:31] <closure> well mine is filled with beer
[07:31] <Tm_T> Liz4rd: I have milk of my own, thank you =)
[07:31] <closure> that's the only thing allowed in it
[07:31] <closure> some parties it goes strictly liqour
[07:31] <Tm_T> smouche: what milk is coming?
[07:32] <closure> but that's only been done twice
[07:32] <smouche> Tm_T, just don't milk it to death, man
[07:32] <Tm_T> milky shaky didumdidum
[07:32] <Tm_T> krhm
[07:32] <Tm_T> ok, back to business
[07:32] <closure> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4560441.stm
[07:33] <closure> man that guy has some gonads on him
[07:33] <Tm_T> gonads?
[07:33] <closure> gorilla nuts
[07:33] <smouche> ugh, Trump's an idiot
[07:34] <kakalto> is skype any good as an IM program?
[07:34] <Liz4rd> nah
[07:34] <nate_______> anyone know how to run prima visual builder?
[07:34] <closure> smouche, indeed
[07:34] <nate_______> i have it installed, just can't figure out how to run it
[07:34] <closure> kakalto, skype is a voice messaging thing
[07:34] <Tm_T> idiot here o/
[07:34] <closure> kakalto, voip
[07:34] <Liz4rd> jabber owns all
[07:34] <Tm_T> hmm, but maybe I don't need to tell you that, you know it anyway =)
[07:34] <closure> kakalto, though you can type i think
[07:35] <kakalto> kk
[07:35] <closure> kakalto,  it is mostly used for voice
[07:35] <smouche> Tm_T, you hitting the absinthe again??
[07:35] <kakalto> does normal msn messenger work under wine?
[07:35] <Tm_T> smouche: no!
[07:35] <Tm_T> smouche: hmm, you think I should?
[07:35] <closure> what is with foreigners and MSN messenger
[07:36] <closure> AIM > *
[07:36] <Tm_T> irc rule them all
[07:36] <smouche> foreigners?
[07:36] <Tm_T> =)
[07:36] <closure> smouche, non americans, lol. i'm being american
[07:36] <kakalto> closure, I hate msn, but everyone 'round here uses it :(
[07:36] <smouche> you sure are, closure
[07:36] <smouche> lol
[07:37] <Tm_T> hmh, but still he's english sucks =)
[07:37] <closure> smouche, i hate this country too. i'm going to move to EU and be retain my american attitude lol
[07:37] <Tm_T> haha
[07:38] <smouche> Tm_T, you should get one of those t-shirts that says "your a retard and you're english sucks"
[07:38] <closure> lol
[07:38] <closure> where do you get those?!
[07:38] <closure> i want one
[07:38] <closure> the mexicans would probably shoot me
[07:38] <closure> but still
[07:39] <closure> i'd die for a worthy cause
[07:39] <smouche> wtf am I doing up at 1:30 on a work night??
[07:39] <Tm_T> smouche: you mean "I'm ... " ;p
[07:40] <closure> smouche, sucks to have a day job >8-)
[07:40] <closure> though i am perdy terrd mahself
[07:40] <closure> think i will attempt the update againa nd goto sleep
[07:40] <Tm_T> eh?
[07:41] <closure> ncie
[07:41] <closure> it updated
[07:41] <smouche> I just made some coffee and may watch some boob tube.
[07:41] <closure> Tm_T, that's that good english
[07:42] <closure> sure would be nice if backports brought a little gaim upgrade around
[07:42] <closure> maybe a little chicken.. have a some sex?
[07:43] <smouche> can anybody tell me why aterm and Eterm are both screwing up the character encoding on man pages?  xterm looks normal for everything
[07:44] <closure> alright guys
[07:45] <closure> i'll bb sometime this weekend i'm sure
[07:45] <Tm_T> heh
[07:45] <Liz4rd> *sniff* dont go
[07:45] <closure> cause we all know thursday is the start of the weekend >8-)
[07:45] <smouche> have a good one closure
[07:45] <closure> don't drink too much and remember to always wrap it up!
[07:49] <smouche> well, I can not get the computer I found in the trash to boot up
[07:49] <smouche> maybe that's why it was in the trash, eh?
[07:49] <Tm_T> haha
[07:50] <smouche> pretty good haul, I thought.  Pentium 3, with hard drive, one stick of ram, cd-burner, floppy
[07:50] <Liz4rd> does anyone know anything about apache servers?
[07:50] <Tm_T> Liz4rd: I know something
[07:50] <Liz4rd> well http://liz4rd.ath.cx/upload/index.php its not showing the file its just showing code
[07:50] <smouche> I just know they're a pain in the ass
[07:51] <Liz4rd> yeah i found a webserver program made with python... run one file instant webserver
[07:51] <_luke> wheres the fonts folder?
[07:52] <Liz4rd> Tm_T: know why?
[07:52] <smouche> ah, so that's python!  wow, lots and lots of tabs...
[07:53] <Liz4rd> what is?
[07:53] <smouche> er, oops
[07:53] <smouche> is that php?  What is that on your page?
[07:53] <Tm_T> php
[07:53] <Liz4rd> yeah
[07:53] <smouche> ah
[07:54] <smouche> heh heh.
[07:54] <Tm_T> Uripa Hee!!
[07:54] <smouche> complete non programmer here
[07:54] <smouche> Uripa Hee?
[07:54] <Tm_T> Liz4rd: dunno
[07:54] <Liz4rd> dam
[07:54] <Tm_T> smouche: Uriah Heep =)
[07:55] <smouche> uh hunh
[07:56] <Liz4rd> wget http://liz4rd.ath.cx/philes/webserver.py in term then enter root and type python webserver.py and bam your a webserver (make sure theres a index.html file inthe same DIR as webserver.py
[07:57] <smouche> hey, Liz4rd , I like the pic you have on there now
[07:57] <Tm_T> oh no, my keybord is infected by  virus, ll my  letters hs bll :o
[07:58] <Liz4rd> smouche: one where?
[07:58] <Liz4rd> on where*
[07:58] <smouche> http://liz4rd.ath.cx/
[07:58] <Liz4rd> oh the header 
[07:58] <Tm_T> :p
[07:58] <Liz4rd> :) thx
[07:58] <smouche> yeah
[07:58] <Liz4rd> there will be alot of content tomrrow
[07:59] <Liz4rd> maybe if you guys want and you havd somethign you would liek on there i would put it up
[07:59] <smouche> Tm_T, are you messing with me?  that's the kind of character weirdness I'm getting with man pages in Eterm
[07:59] <Liz4rd> anyway night everyone
[07:59] <Tm_T> smouche: hahaha
[07:59] <smouche> g'night Liz4rd 
[08:00] <Tm_T> smouche: that is swedish o
[08:00] <smouche> yeah, well why the fuck is Eterm turning hyphens and other characters into Swedish??
[08:01] <smouche> seriously, what do I need to check to get man pages to show correctly?  In konsole they're almost right (though hyphens become boxes) 
[08:01] <smouche> in xterm, everythng's normal
[08:02] <Tm_T> heh
[08:02] <Tm_T> locale settings
[08:02] <Tm_T> I mean, you can check your konsole encoding from menu
[08:03] <smouche> locale settings for the system?  I mean, everything else looks normal, so far it's just the man pages that are screwy looking
[08:03] <smouche> well, konsole is coping ok.  But aterm and Eterm have the same problem
[08:04] <smouche> trs bien!
[08:04] <smouche> ah hah!
[08:04] <smouche> hmm
[08:05] <smouche> ok, I'm in irssi in Eterm right now,
[08:05] <smouche> and I note that I can't type accent marks using my alternate keyboard on here
[08:06] <smouche>      damn, what is that crap
[08:07] <smouche> in xterm, all that stuff appears how I want, various letters with french accents
[08:07] <smouche>  -- what does this thing mean?
[08:08] <Tm_T> A with "curl" ?
[08:08] <smouche> yeah
[08:09] <smouche> that shows up if I hit the - what it called?  arrrgggh
[08:09] <Tm_T> :p
[08:09] <smouche> see, none of this crap happens in xterm, or in text processors
[08:09] <smouche> just in Eterm and aterm
[08:09] <Tm_T> well well well
[08:10] <hayden> how can i change computer name via terminal
[08:11] <Tm_T> hmm, I know this
[08:11] <Tm_T> just if I remember...
[08:26] <hayden> how can i change computer name via terminal
[08:28] <chavo> hayden, just change it in /etc/hostname
[08:28] <bdmp> Could someone help me with a question?  I have an SD card for my pda and I wanted to put some files in it, but when I did it was full.  There was nothing in it though.  Then I realized that it was saving all the old files I deleted in a "trash can" on the card and that was what was taking up all the space.  How can I get rid of the files in there and stop it from doing that?
[08:29] <hayden> thanks chavo
[09:14] <Hussam> Riddell: there are like 76 updates to breezy in synaptic including x and arts and qt. but they all require uninstalling kdelibs4-dev.
[09:46] <Pupeno> hello
[09:50] <Pupeno> I'm considering switching to ubuntu.
[09:57] <Pupeno> kubuntu I mean.
[09:58] <shogouki> Pupeno: good :)
[09:59] <Pupeno> Do you know if I'll be able to get resent releases of Apache, Zope, Plone, SBCL and other software like that ?
[10:02] <hussam> Pupeno, I'm at work and not near my Linux machine right now, but I think it has apache 2.53
[10:04] <Pupeno> Do you have your own repository for ubuntu/kubunto (that is, this is not a 'flavor' of Debian, but a fork) ?
[10:05] <shogouki> Version: 2.0.53-5ubuntu5
[10:06] <hussam> Pupeno: i think it is a fork ( unlike mepis )
[10:06] <shogouki> zope Version: 2.6.4-1.6ubuntu1
[10:06] <Pupeno> shogouki: Thank you.
[10:06] <Pupeno> That's good.
[10:06] <shogouki> plone Version: 2.0.4-3ubuntu3
[10:06] <Pupeno> And are packages welcome ? (for example, I believe sbcl is not packaged).
[10:07] <shogouki> sbcl Version: 1:0.8.17.4-1
[10:07] <bdmp> Can anyone help me with a "can't wirite to ..." error in konqueror when writing to usb drive.
[10:07] <Pupeno> shogouki: where is it ?
[10:07] <shogouki> (if its the list compiler, then it is packaged)
[10:07] <shogouki> universe
[10:08] <Pupeno> yes, the lisp compiler.
[10:08] <shogouki> oups lisp
[10:11] <Pupeno> supousing I make a package for sbcl 0.8.21, or 0.9.0... (something I'm very likely to do), what should I do with this package to contribute it back ?
[10:14] <shogouki> dont know, maybe you'll find some/more ubuntu dev/packager on #ubuntu ?
[10:46] <ejd> is there a kubuntu (kde) equivalent to gnome-volume-manager (drive mounter, not audio programme)?
[10:48] <shogouki> ejd: url media:/ in konqueror ?
[10:50] <ejd> at the moment usb drives are not automounting, they do if I use gnome-volume-manager, but then they don't show up in media:/, without the gnome-volume-manager they are not automounting, and I would prefer the original kde version
[10:55] <ejd> ahh, restarting "Kded media manager" did it. now only to find out why I had to do that.
[11:21] <Hussam> how did you restart kded media manager?
[11:29] <Hussam> how do I restart kded media manager without logging off?
[11:34] <bdmp> I got a sd card that suddenly became a read only file system.  I can't change the permissions.  Can someone give me a hand?
[11:34] <KaiL> Hussam: Alt+F2 -> kded -> enter :)
[11:35] <KaiL> bdmp: unmount and mount again?
[11:35] <bdmp> it is auto mount 
[11:35] <bdmp> i have done it like 8 times and restarted many times too
[11:35] <KaiL> and neger got it back?
[11:35] <bdmp> ill try it from the command line
[11:36] <bdmp> yeah
[11:36] <KaiL> SD cards have a small switch on the side, afaik that's for ro...:)
[11:36] <bdmp> I got other usb things but they are working 
[11:37] <bdmp> it is not locked the switch
[11:37] <bdmp> the switch i mean
[11:38] <bdmp> I try to umount and it says device is busy
[11:39] <Hussam> brb
[12:23] <error403> wow
[12:24] <error403> quiet in here!"
[01:32] <spiral> hi
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[01:32] <spiral> does anyone here know if kopete svn fix will soon be included in kubuntu ?
[01:44] <spiral> no one ?
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry no
[01:51] <Riddell> spiral: we should have kde 3.4.1 packages when it's released
[01:52] <spiral> Riddell: all right... let's hope it will include the msn patch
[01:52] <Riddell> it will
[01:53] <spiral> Riddell: thanks for the information... let's then hope I'll be able to install this with no pb with apt... no dbus & so on...
[01:54] <Riddell> no, I'll build them for hoary
[01:55] <spiral> Riddell: all right... and I suppose they will also be built for breezy ?
[01:56] <Riddell> yes but c++ transition is the priority for breezy
[01:59] <transgress> splish splash i was taken a bath... AND THEN STAR WARS!
[02:00] <azad> hi there.. can someone tell me where to get this configuration menu, you get the first time you run kde?
[02:00] <transgress> ~/.kde?
[02:00] <azad> where you can select the window style things like "redmond style" and so on
[02:00] <transgress> oh
[02:00] <transgress> it's all in kcontrol
[02:01] <azad> mhh okay
[02:01] <azad> and that wizard?
[02:01] <transgress> umm i'm not sure about the wizard, but all those settings are offered in kcontrol
[02:01] <azad> well.. doesn't matter then anyways, thanks :)
[02:02] <Riddell> azad: kpersonalizer
[02:03] <transgress> Riddell: i was just wondering what that wizard might be called...
[02:03] <Tm_T> azad: wizard: "kpersonalizer"
[02:03] <transgress> riddel pops up with the save
[02:03] <azad> :)
[02:03] <Tm_T> transgress: why not ask it from me? ;)
[02:03] <transgress> okay i'm hyper this morning... so i'ma go take a shower
[02:04] <Tm_T> =)
[02:04] <transgress> heh, eh didn't care enough since i could do the stuff in kcontrol
[02:04] <Tm_T> haha
[02:05] <Tm_T> yes, but that makes all easier for start
[02:05] <transgress> okay must shower... must be clean for STAR WARS!
[02:07] <azad> i saw it yesterday
[02:07] <azad> shall i tell you anything? :f
[02:08] <azad> gotta reboot anyways
[02:08] <azad> *waves* thanks again
[02:35] <thingy> howdy! Does anyone know what the kdelibs bug is, as mentioned in the channel topic.
[02:35] <transgress> thingy: /topic
[02:35] <transgress> oh
[02:35] <transgress> i should probably read the entire sentence
[02:36] <thingy> heh np
[02:36] <transgress> it's just an overwrite problem
[02:36] <KaiL> install issue between knetworkconf and kdelibs-data
[02:36] <transgress> just run the script and life will be good
[02:37] <transgress> buh bye!  STAR WARS TIME
[02:37] <__P__3> hi all 
[02:37] <__P__3> some help 
[02:37] <__P__3> about 
[02:38] <__P__3> no fixed font starting X 
[02:38] <__P__3> on breezy?
[02:38] <KaiL> that's why breezy is breezy :)
[02:38] <__P__3> yes
[02:38] <__P__3> but  there is  a  trick 
[02:38] <__P__3> for  now?
[02:39] <__P__3> *is there
[02:39] <thingy> __P__3: I can probably help with that...dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[02:39] <thingy> and when prompted about bitmaps fonts say yes
[02:39] <thingy> oh ofcourse you have to run that with sudo or as root
[02:39] <__P__3> thanks thingy
[02:39] <thingy> and you will need to restart X or refresh the fonts
[02:40] <__P__3> i can't  restar X 
[02:40] <__P__3> it daesnt start :D
[02:40] <thingy> try "xset fp rehash"
[02:40] <__P__3> he eh eh 
[03:04] <teknoprep> hi all
[03:13] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3,  you here
[03:25] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, yo foo
[03:30] <ircbot_> herm... supposed to be going to see star wars in a bit... outside my bosses, and i think he is still asleep
[03:30] <ircbot_> using his wireless hehe
[03:43] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: what?
[03:43] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, give me a list of your sources for apt please
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe multiverse restricted
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe multiverse restrict
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> ed
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe mu
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> ltiverse restricted
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multi
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> verse restricted
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> erk
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe multiverse restricted
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe multiverse restricted
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[03:44] <teknoprep> holy shit
[03:45] <Diablo-D3> holy shit?
[03:46] <teknoprep> enough in there lol
[03:46] <Diablo-D3> not really
[03:47] <teknoprep> oh
[03:47] <teknoprep> yeah i see that now
[03:47] <teknoprep> what happens when i have the same stuff in there 2x's
[03:47] <teknoprep> nothing bad
[03:49] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, you ever setup real transperencies in xorg
[03:51] <Diablo-D3> you mean xcomposite shit?
[03:52] <teknoprep> yeah
[03:52] <teknoprep> may i see your xorg.conf file
[03:52] <teknoprep> or what wiki you followed
[03:52] <Diablo-D3> ... you need a wiki for that?
[03:52] <teknoprep> for what
[03:52] <Diablo-D3> man, back in my day, we read the fucking manual.
[03:52] <teknoprep> i don't know how to doit
[03:53] <Diablo-D3> you and your new fangled wikis
[03:53] <teknoprep> bleh
[03:53] <teknoprep> every distro seems to be different
[03:53] <teknoprep> i come from gentoo mang
[03:53] <Diablo-D3> um, huh?
[03:53] <teknoprep> and that was a pain in my arse
[03:53] <teknoprep> emerge xcompmgr
[03:53] <Diablo-D3> X is X is X
[03:53] <Diablo-D3> Section "Extensions"
[03:53] <Diablo-D3>   Option "Composite" "Enable"
[03:53] <Diablo-D3> EndSection
[03:53] <teknoprep> i don't think i can do that in debian
[03:53] <Diablo-D3> throw that in somewhere
[03:53] <Diablo-D3> yes you can
[03:54] <teknoprep> emerge works in kubuntu now
[03:54] <teknoprep> ?
[03:54] <Diablo-D3> I used to do that on xfree86
[03:54] <teknoprep> lol
[03:54] <teknoprep> i love you too mang
[03:54] <Diablo-D3> apt-get install xcompmgr
[03:54] <teknoprep> just tryed that
[03:54] <teknoprep> nothing
[03:54] <Diablo-D3> and its not like you even need it
[03:54] <teknoprep> E: Couldn't find package xcompmgr
[03:54] <Diablo-D3> xcompmgr is just a demo composite manager
[03:55] <teknoprep> does xorg come with it no not like XFree
[03:55] <Diablo-D3> kwin is also a composite manager
[03:55] <teknoprep> oh
[03:55] <Diablo-D3> btw, composite is dead slow
[03:55] <Diablo-D3> most video drivers dont have it accelerated
[03:56] <teknoprep> yeah that did shit
[03:57] <steffenstrobel> i'm using transparency/shaddows with kde3.4 on my ibook (mobility randeon 7000) it's slooooooooow....
[03:57] <teknoprep> lol
[03:57] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: then just turn it on
[03:57] <teknoprep> i have mobiilty 9600 
[03:57] <teknoprep> eh
[03:57] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: because r100 doesnt have it accelerated
[03:57] <teknoprep> where do it "just" turn it on
[03:57] <spiral> hmmm, how could I build kopete from svn without kdebase-dev & libqt3-mt installing on breezy ?
[03:57] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: fglrsdkgfsglkj doesnt have it accelerated either.
[03:57] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: turn _what_ on?
[03:58] <teknoprep> flgrx 
[03:58] <teknoprep> teknoprep: then just turn it on
[03:58] <teknoprep> that was you
[03:58] <steffenstrobel> Diablo-D3: what exactly do you mean by: r100???
[03:58] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: you're not making sense again
[03:58] <teknoprep> teknoprep yeah that did shit
[03:58] <teknoprep> steffenstrobel i'm using transparency/shaddows with kde3.4 on my ibook (mobility randeon 7000) it's slooooooooow....
[03:58] <teknoprep> teknoprep lol
[03:58] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3 teknoprep: then just turn it on
[03:58] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: radeon 7000s are r100 series chips
[03:59] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: yes, you just enable composite, and it works
[03:59] <teknoprep> i have that in my xorg.conf 
[03:59] <teknoprep> nothing
[03:59] <teknoprep> what you pasted
[03:59] <steffenstrobel> Diablo-D3: ah ok thanks! Is there a way to turn acceleration on?
[03:59] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: um, I think you're confused
[03:59] <teknoprep> no real trasperncy.. can only see the desktop still
[03:59] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: its like asking how to enable GL, then not using apps that useGL
[03:59] <teknoprep> bleh
[04:00] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: open kcontrol
[04:00] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: desktop -> window behavior -> translucency
[04:00] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: but thats just kwin's compmgr doing stupid tricks
[04:00] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: afaik no
[04:00] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: the only target that actually does cool shit is r200
[04:01] <Diablo-D3> xcomposite is just one of those new technology things
[04:01] <Diablo-D3> wait awhile before you get to do badass things with it
[04:01] <steffenstrobel> Diablo-D3: what cards are using r200? how about nvidia?
[04:01] <spiral> please... anyone that could tell me how to build kopete from svn with my deps problem ?
[04:01] <teknoprep> lol
[04:02] <teknoprep> transperencies are doing shit
[04:02] <teknoprep> do you have an nvidia car Diablo-D3 
[04:03] <Diablo-D3> nvidia doesnt even support xrender
[04:03] <Diablo-D3> (xcomposite can use xrender to partially accelerate itself, btw)
[04:03] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: 8500 through 9200 are r200
[04:03] <steffenstrobel> ok thanks!
[04:03] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: define 'doing shit'
[04:04] <steffenstrobel> i have to leave now, bye!
[04:04] <teknoprep> doing shit = not working
[04:04] <teknoprep> isn't doing shit = not working
[04:04] <teknoprep> they all mean not working
[04:04] <teknoprep> isn't fucking doing mother fucking shit = not working
[04:04] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: you have to enable it, and then restart your sessions
[04:05] <teknoprep> oh
[04:06] <Diablo-D3> hrm, I may have been wrong about nvidia not supporting it
[04:07] <Diablo-D3> and about r100
[04:07] <Diablo-D3> r100 and r200 both do xrender acceleration
[04:07] <othernoob> mmh, anyone know where i can find drivers for ati radeon 9800 pro ?
[04:07] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: you want fglxr
[04:08] <KaiL> fglrx.
[04:08] <Diablo-D3> er, right
[04:08] <Diablo-D3> why the hell cant ati use a jumble of letters that are easy to remember
[04:08] <Diablo-D3> or just release the damn specs so we can write r300/400 drivers
[04:09] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: any luck?
[04:09] <teknoprep> well that was fun while it lasted
[04:09] <teknoprep> lol
[04:09] <KaiL> <=9250 R200, >=9500 R300 :)
[04:09] <teknoprep> crazy ass fuck ups
[04:09] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: what happened?
[04:09] <teknoprep> just crazy transpareny's  and skrewed up video
[04:09] <Diablo-D3> heh
[04:10] <teknoprep> was hard to get back to the way it needed to be while in X
[04:10] <Diablo-D3> xcomposite is disabled by default for a reason, btw
[04:10] <teknoprep> so i noticed
[04:10] <teknoprep> they ever going to fix that
[04:10] <theD3viL> why office etc. opens twice? is that kde bug or kubuntu? and howto add in xchat server with port which isnt 6667? 
[04:10] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: dude, its a new technology
[04:10] <Diablo-D3> its not "will they fix it" its "they are busy, damnit"
[04:11] <teknoprep> does anyone else have have a problem with amarok and streaming audio
[04:11] <teknoprep> lol
[04:11] <teknoprep> yeah xorg is crazy shit man
[04:11] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: everyone does
[04:12] <teknoprep> its only small download.. yet takes forever to compile
[04:12] <Diablo-D3> its a known bug in amarok
[04:12] <teknoprep> its very very clean code too
[04:12] <Diablo-D3> use a different player (such as xmms) to do streaming
[04:12] <teknoprep> i do
[04:12] <teknoprep> was using it in gentoo for my streaming audio
[04:12] <Diablo-D3> so?
[04:12] <Diablo-D3> gentoo probably grabbed an upstream patch to fix it
[04:13] <teknoprep> gentoo everything is compiled from source
[04:13] <teknoprep> so it was just compiled from amarok
[04:13] <teknoprep> s newest release or whatever they had in there source repository
[04:13] <Diablo-D3> gentoo _does_ include patches, you know that, right?
[04:13] <Diablo-D3> ebuilds are generally: download, unpack, patch, patch, patch, ..., build
[04:14] <teknoprep> i never used ebuild
[04:14] <teknoprep> i always emerged from source
[04:14] <Diablo-D3> heh
[04:14] <Diablo-D3> whatever
[04:14] <Diablo-D3> gentoo sucks
[04:14] <teknoprep> bleh
[04:14] <teknoprep> only thing that sucks about it is waiting
[04:14] <Diablo-D3> which engine are you using?
[04:14] <teknoprep> other then that its a great os
[04:14] <teknoprep> 2005
[04:14] <teknoprep> 20050303
[04:15] <Diablo-D3> I said engine, not version.
[04:15] <teknoprep> i was using that.. but i switched to kubuntu
[04:15] <theD3viL> why office etc. opens twice? is that kde bug or kubuntu? and howto add in xchat server with port which isnt 6667?? :S
[04:15] <Diablo-D3> theD3viL: dont repeat
[04:15] <teknoprep> theD3viL, becuase you are double clicking it
[04:15] <theD3viL> teknoprep, no i dont
[04:15] <teknoprep> theD3viL, its you a pebkac not the fucking kde 
[04:16] <teknoprep> theD3viL, put it on double click then and see if it continutes
[04:16] <Diablo-D3> theD3viL: /server irc.freenode.net 6668
[04:16] <theD3viL> Diablo-D3, yes, i know, but how in server list?
[04:16] <Diablo-D3> theD3viL:I forget, its either "irc.whatever.net:xxxx" or "irc.whatever.net xxxx"
[04:17] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, what you mean by engine
[04:17] <theD3viL> aha... i will try tnx
[04:17] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, for gentoo
[04:17] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: amarok uses audio engines
[04:17] <teknoprep> oh
[04:17] <teknoprep> arts
[04:17] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: it has one for arts, one for gstreamer, etc
[04:17] <Diablo-D3> dont use arts
[04:17] <teknoprep> but i can't select an engine in this version
[04:17] <Diablo-D3> its buggy, crash happy, etc
[04:17] <teknoprep> i can't select any
[04:17] <Diablo-D3> yes you can
[04:18] <teknoprep> no i can't..
[04:18] <teknoprep> lol
[04:18] <teknoprep> i goto the options
[04:18] <Diablo-D3> do you actually have other engines installed?
[04:18] <teknoprep> and nothing
[04:18] <teknoprep> arts alsa oss esound 
[04:18] <teknoprep> shit like that
[04:18] <teknoprep> yeah
[04:18] <Diablo-D3> no, not arts, alsa, oss, esound
[04:18] <teknoprep> unless i have to manually install them
[04:18] <teknoprep> oh
[04:18] <Diablo-D3> apt-get install amarok-engines
[04:18] <teknoprep> well hook me up.. what do i install to try this stuff out
[04:18] <teknoprep> ty
[04:19] <Diablo-D3> theres a pull down menu called Sound System
[04:19] <teknoprep> E: Package amarok-engines has no installation candidate
[04:19] <Diablo-D3> bleh, just apt-get install amarok-gstreamer then
[04:19] <theD3viL> Diablo-D3, it doesnt work... :S
[04:19] <Diablo-D3> theD3viL: hrm, maybe you cant do that anymore, ask in #xchat
[04:19] <teknoprep> E: Couldn't find package amarok-gstreamer
[04:19] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: errr...
[04:19] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, lol
[04:20] <theD3viL> oh, tnx ;)
[04:20] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: wtf? do you have universe?
[04:20] <teknoprep> oot@lappyc:~# apt-cache search gstreamer
[04:20] <teknoprep> amarok - versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE
[04:20] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: apt-cache search amarok
[04:21] <teknoprep> amarok-arts - aRts engine for the amaroK audio player
[04:21] <teknoprep> amarok - versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE
[04:21] <teknoprep> hold
[04:21] <Diablo-D3> dude, wtf, are you on breezy or something?
[04:22] <teknoprep> i am fixing it now
[04:22] <teknoprep> uname -a ... should tell me right
[04:22] <Diablo-D3> it probably wont
[04:22] <teknoprep> how would i tell
[04:22] <teknoprep> where is the version file.. /etc
[04:22] <Diablo-D3> your /etc/apt/sources.list will tell you
[04:23] <teknoprep> is Hoary a version
[04:23] <Diablo-D3> yes
[04:23] <teknoprep> thats what i am using
[04:23] <Diablo-D3> hoary is before breezy
[04:23] <Diablo-D3> then wtf
[04:23] <teknoprep> lol
[04:23] <Diablo-D3> do you have a line reading...
[04:23] <Diablo-D3> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe multiverse restricted
[04:23] <Diablo-D3> ?
[04:23] <teknoprep> i just did a apt-get update
[04:23] <teknoprep> good to go
[04:23] <Diablo-D3> bah you dork
[04:24] <Diablo-D3> when you edit /etc/apt/sources.list, you have to apt-get update after
[04:24] <teknoprep> yes i know
[04:24] <teknoprep> i had a misconfigured entry that was skrewing everything up
[04:24] <Diablo-D3> -_-'
[04:25] <Diablo-D3> install amarok-gstreamer
[04:25] <teknoprep> had same entry 2x's with different ending
[04:25] <Diablo-D3> then switch your engine to that
[04:25] <Diablo-D3> you can do that
[04:25] <teknoprep> i know how to switch engines
[04:25] <teknoprep> are they getting rid of arts
[04:25] <teknoprep> since it blows ass
[04:26] <teknoprep> fucks alot of crap up
[04:26] <Diablo-D3> yes it does
[04:26] <Diablo-D3> as I was saying
[04:26] <Diablo-D3> they removed the arts engine upstream in 1.3.x
[04:26] <teknoprep> i have 1.2.3
[04:27] <Diablo-D3> and I already filed a bug report in launchpad to remove the arts engine from ubuntu
[04:27] <teknoprep> nice
[04:27] <Diablo-D3> its buggy, it for some reason is the default to install, and it sucks ass
[04:27] <da_bon_bon> Diablo-D3: if not arts, then what will kde use ?
[04:27] <teknoprep> alsa
[04:27] <teknoprep> esound
[04:27] <teknoprep> whatever
[04:28] <Diablo-D3> da_bon_bon: amarok != kde
[04:28] <teknoprep> anything other then this shit
[04:28] <da_bon_bon> teknoprep: arts is a wrapper to alsa, and all other stuff u said
[04:28] <da_bon_bon> Diablo-D3: ok
[04:28] <Diablo-D3> no, arts a fully fledged sound server
[04:28] <Diablo-D3> which is the wrong way of doing shit
[04:28] <Diablo-D3> gstreamer almost comes close
[04:29] <Diablo-D3> but I dont like the implementation of gstreamer
[04:29] <Diablo-D3> but yeah, if kde and all kde apps switch to gstreamer, we'll be better off
[04:29] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: so yeah, use the alsa audio sink in the gstreamer engine
[04:30] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: streaming will still be buggy, but not as braindead as it is in arts
[04:31] <teknoprep> so i am using the xine engine
[04:31] <Diablo-D3> you should use the gstreamer engine
[04:31] <teknoprep> couldn't get it to show up
[04:32] <teknoprep> root@lappyc:/etc/apt# apt-get install amarok-gstreamer
[04:32] <teknoprep> Reading package lists... Done
[04:32] <teknoprep> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:32] <teknoprep> amarok-gstreamer is already the newest version.
[04:32] <teknoprep> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 20 not upgraded.
[04:32] <teknoprep> sorry for paste
[04:32] <teknoprep> also did amarok-engines
[04:32] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[04:32] <Diablo-D3> set your engine to <no engine>
[04:32] <teknoprep> xine is working great tho
[04:32] <Diablo-D3> then quit amarok
[04:32] <Diablo-D3> then run amarok, and choose gstreamer
[04:33] <teknoprep> so now it shows up
[04:33] <teknoprep> when i go back in
[04:33] <Diablo-D3> yeah, slight amarok bug
[04:33] <Diablo-D3> gstreamer shows up as ""
[04:33] <teknoprep> no gstreamer shows up now
[04:33] <Diablo-D3> thats what I meant
[04:33] <Diablo-D3> "", switch engine off, and come back its "gstreamer"
[04:34] <teknoprep> i just keeps looping
[04:34] <Diablo-D3> geh?
[04:35] <teknoprep> lol keeps looping on buffereing
[04:35] <Diablo-D3> wtf
[04:35] <Diablo-D3> face it: amarok hates you
[04:35] <teknoprep> xine is pretty nice
[04:35] <teknoprep> lots of options
[04:36] <teknoprep> i am going to use xine
[04:36] <teknoprep> now to setup dmix again
[04:36] <Diablo-D3> heh
[04:36] <Diablo-D3> then use xine
[04:36] <teknoprep> yo
[04:36] <teknoprep> send me that file again
[04:36] <teknoprep> i had to reinstall last night
[04:36] <teknoprep> apt-get upgrade fubar'd kde
[04:36] <Diablo-D3> man
[04:36] <Diablo-D3> you have more problems than anyone
[04:36] <teknoprep> i'll stick it on my usb drive this time
[04:36] <teknoprep> lol Diablo-D3 
[04:36] <teknoprep> i had none on gentoo
[04:37] <teknoprep> but i knew gentoo
[04:37] <Diablo-D3> thats your problem I think
[04:37] <teknoprep> i am just starting desktop LInux
[04:37] <Diablo-D3> I ran debian for 5 years
[04:37] <teknoprep> i am a server network guy
[04:37] <Diablo-D3> back when potato was just becoming en vogue
[04:37] <teknoprep> i am the senior security engineer here
[04:37] <Diablo-D3> ... please say you arnt running gentoo in a production environment
[04:37] <teknoprep> not senior linux desktop os dude
[04:37] <teknoprep> lol
[04:37] <teknoprep> fuck no
[04:37] <Diablo-D3> thank god
[04:37] <teknoprep> i use RH 9 debian slackware BSD
[04:37] <teknoprep> those are my options
[04:38] <Diablo-D3> debian it is! ;)
[04:38] <othernoob> why does sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx return a cant find package error ?
[04:38] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: because Im thinking thats not the name of the package
[04:38] <Diablo-D3> er, or maybe it is
[04:38] <othernoob> mmh.. copied it from a wiki..
[04:38] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: you dont have universe and multiverse enabled
[04:39] <othernoob> how do i do that ?
[04:39] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:39] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: there will be a deb and deb-src pair of lines that begin with #
[04:39] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: remove both #s
[04:39] <Diablo-D3> save file, then run apt-get update
[04:39] <teknoprep> hmm wonder how i check if dmix is working
[04:40] <teknoprep> should i just run 2 apps
[04:40] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: grab mpg321
[04:40] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: then aoss mpg321 some.mp3 in two xterms
[04:41] <teknoprep> aoss isn't an app
[04:41] <Diablo-D3> it is too
[04:42] <Diablo-D3> you just dont have it installed
[04:42] <teknoprep> not on my system.. and no apt-get install aoss
[04:42] <Diablo-D3> its in alsa-utils methinks
[04:43] <teknoprep> alsa-oss
[04:43] <teknoprep> ok
[04:44] <teknoprep> so i have to change all links to appliactions when i run them to aoss <name of app>
[04:45] <teknoprep> hell yeah
[04:45] <teknoprep> dmix works
[04:45] <teknoprep> nice i just have to add aoss to the bigginging of every link for audio using programs
[04:46] <Diablo-D3> no you dont have to
[04:46] <teknoprep> what do i do then
[04:46] <Diablo-D3> the only reason you need to do that is because mpg321 doesnt use alsa
[04:46] <Diablo-D3> aoss turns any oss app into an alsa one
[04:46] <teknoprep> ahh
[04:46] <Diablo-D3> and you need to use it with all oss apps
[04:47] <Diablo-D3> dmix cant dmix via the oss emulation kernel module
[04:47] <teknoprep> this dmix rocks
[04:47] <teknoprep> thanx man
[04:48] <teknoprep> should i force kde apps to use ALSA
[04:48] <teknoprep> in the control center
[04:48] <Diablo-D3> yes
[04:48] <teknoprep> ok
[04:48] <Diablo-D3> though arts was probably using it by default already
[04:48] <teknoprep> there is not arts selection in my drop down list
[04:48] <othernoob> Diablo-D3 how do i edit that file ? kate crashed :/
[04:48] <mikl> hmm, any of you guys having trouble logging on to msn?
[04:49] <teknoprep> nano , vi , vim , mc , pico
[04:49] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: in konsole, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:49] <teknoprep> you choose one
[04:49] <Diablo-D3> mikl: 'msn sucks' is my official answer
[04:49] <teknoprep> lol Diablo-D3 
[04:49] <mikl> Diablo-D3: oh thanks, that's very helpful ;)
[04:49] <teknoprep> mikl, let me see
[04:49] <teknoprep> mikl, yeah msn sucks
[04:50] <teknoprep> yes having problems
[04:50] <teknoprep> keeps asking me for my password
[04:52] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, what vid card you use
[04:52] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, too bad i can't change my laptop vid card
[04:52] <Diablo-D3> a 9100
[04:52] <teknoprep> ew
[04:52] <Diablo-D3> not ew
[04:52] <teknoprep> lol
[04:52] <Diablo-D3> 9100s are really 8500s
[04:52] <teknoprep> i remember when the 8500 was hot
[04:52] <Diablo-D3> see, the 9000 sucked, and all the vendors jumped down ati's gullet
[04:52] <teknoprep> i have 2 of them still
[04:52] <Diablo-D3> and they republished the 8500 as the 9100
[04:52] <Diablo-D3> same exact chip, no changes
[04:53] <Diablo-D3> so I have a 300/300mhz 9100 /w 128 megs
[04:53] <teknoprep> the x800xt is insane
[04:53] <teknoprep> way better then the new 6800gt.. but not when you have 2
[04:54] <Diablo-D3> heh
[04:54] <Diablo-D3> Im staying away from r300 and up
[04:54] <teknoprep> why is that
[04:54] <teknoprep> you don't run windows for anytihng do you?
[04:54] <Diablo-D3> no dri support
[04:54] <Diablo-D3> I run windows for windows binary testing
[04:55] <teknoprep> no games?
[04:55] <Diablo-D3> no games
[04:55] <teknoprep> gotta relax sonner or later
[04:55] <Diablo-D3> I play games in linux
[04:55] <teknoprep> you play WoW
[04:55] <teknoprep> Point2Play is pretty nice
[04:55] <Diablo-D3> nope, I hate blizzard products
[04:55] <teknoprep> wow, rocks
[04:55] <Diablo-D3> whats ironic is I know one of the coders behind WoW
[04:55] <teknoprep> i am quiting eq2 for it
[04:56] <teknoprep> eq2 is just so ... eq
[04:56] <teknoprep> and i am sick of waiting around in a game to do stuff
[04:56] <teknoprep> i just want to have fun not a headache
[04:56] <Diablo-D3> heh
[04:57] <teknoprep> point2play owns
[04:58] <Diablo-D3> Im not really an mmorpg fan
[04:58] <teknoprep> what you play
[04:58] <teknoprep> duke nukem
[04:59] <Diablo-D3> nethack mostly
[04:59] <Diablo-D3> or snes games in zsnes
[05:00] <othernoob> meh, i still get the cant find package xorg-driver-fglrx message
[05:00] <Tm_T> :p
[05:01] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:01] <teknoprep> lol nethack
[05:01] <Diablo-D3> lo...l... nethack?
[05:01] <teknoprep> wtf is nethack
[05:02] <Diablo-D3> its a usenet hacked version of hack
[05:02] <othernoob> Diablo-D3 http://pastebin.com/286571
[05:03] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: did you forget to apt-get update?
[05:03] <teknoprep> w0ot
[05:03] <teknoprep> mplayer owns you
[05:03] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: OH!
[05:03] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: you're missing multiverse!
[05:03] <teknoprep> now i can turn my hdtv computer into a linux box
[05:04] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: add multiverse after universe on both lines
[05:04] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: then save, then apt-get update
[05:06] <othernoob> Diablo-D3 okay, did that, its downloading fglrx now 
[05:32] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, you play americas army
[05:33] <Diablo-D3> nope
[05:49] <othernoob> sudo dpgk -i opera_8.0-20050415.5-shared-qt_en_sarge_i386.deb
[05:49] <othernoob> sudo: dpgk: command not found
[05:49] <othernoob> why ??
[05:49] <shogouki> coz dpkg  ...
[05:50] <Tm_T> heheh
[05:50] <othernoob> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/swmgmt.html#dpkgi mmh...
[05:52] <othernoob> uhm, so how do i install it then ?
[05:53] <shogouki> dpkg -i
[05:54] <othernoob> meh.. im blind :/
[05:55] <othernoob> thanks
[05:58] <teknoprep> nice
[05:58] <teknoprep> why opera tho
[05:59] <teknoprep> why not firefox
[06:00] <othernoob> i've always been happy with opera
[06:01] <teknoprep> firefox owns tho
[06:01] <teknoprep> have you tryed it yet
[06:01] <teknoprep> its very similar
[06:01] <othernoob> yea
[06:01] <teknoprep> but free
[06:01] <othernoob> well.it's only similar if you add quite a few plugins :)
[06:01] <teknoprep> bleh
[06:01] <teknoprep> free
[06:01] <teknoprep> support open source
[06:01] <teknoprep> doit.. doit now
[06:02] <othernoob> i support good software, whether it's opensource or not :)
[06:03] <othernoob> besides, opera is almost free too, i dont mind the ads ;)
[06:04] <Jormundgand> I clicked "Show Folder" in Firefox, it loaded Nautilus and now I have no xfce4 desktop. How to fix?
[06:05] <teknoprep> how do install a .deb on my local system with apt-get 
[06:05] <teknoprep> so it gets the proper dependices
[06:07] <Jormundgand> Nevermind, fixed it.
[06:17] <error403> has anybody managed to get vsftpd working under kubuntu, with full read/write access for local users?
[06:28] <Pupeno> When KDE 3.4.1 comes out, how much time will I have to wait till I get it on kubunto (I don't mean if it takes one week or two for packaging, but, will I be able to just upgrade to it, or will I have to wait for the next kubuntu release) ?
[06:50] <phxguy> Anyone familiar with Xnest under kubuntu
[06:54] <phxguy> anyone @ all?
[07:13] <gabryel> hi everyone
[07:14] <Tezkah> hi dr gabryel
[07:14] <gabryel> new here on linux :)
[07:14] <gabryel> how's going?
[07:14] <Tezkah> um... I have something to tell you
[07:14] <Tezkah> Linux... it got cancelled
[07:14] <gabryel> cancelled?
[07:15] <gabryel> dont understand
[07:15] <Tezkah> heh, just kidding
[07:15] <gabryel> where u from?
[07:15] <gabryel> me romania
[07:15] <Tezkah> Canada
[07:15] <gabryel> wow
[07:15] <gabryel> nice
[07:15] <gabryel> u run kubuntu on your computer?
[07:17] <Tezkah> yep.
[07:18] <gabryel> for how long u runing kubuntu?
[07:20] <Liz4rd> blew
[07:20] <Liz4rd> anyone to talk to?
[07:21] <gabryel> me
[07:21] <gabryel> :)
[07:21] <teknoprep> lol
[07:21] <gabryel> hahaha
[07:21] <Liz4rd> :) yay
[07:21] <Liz4rd> man i'b bored
[07:21] <gabryel> me too
[07:21] <Liz4rd> i'm in my school's computer lab
[07:22] <gabryel> just testing this kubuntu distribution
[07:22] <Liz4rd> cool
[07:22] <Liz4rd> i like slackware for now
[07:22] <teknoprep> bleh
[07:22] <teknoprep> slackware is shit
[07:22] <Tezkah> the shit?
[07:22] <gabryel> man i'm new in linux
[07:22] <teknoprep> slackware is horrible man
[07:22] <Tezkah> I like the ideas behind slackware
[07:23] <Tezkah> but I love apt more
[07:23] <gabryel> just tierd of that windows virus and troian shit
[07:23] <teknoprep> they have slapt-get
[07:23] <teknoprep> for slackware
[07:23] <Liz4rd> well soooory for having a distro liek slackware :(
[07:23] <teknoprep> and ferret or something
[07:23] <teknoprep> the ferret
[07:23] <Liz4rd> and swaret
[07:23] <teknoprep> yeah
[07:23] <gabryel> hellooooooooo
[07:23] <gabryel> can u speak english pls????/
[07:23] <gabryel> lol
[07:23] <teknoprep> we are foo
[07:24] <gabryel> foo??????
[07:24] <gabryel> what's that?
[07:24] <gabryel> romania here
[07:24] <teknoprep> you have to be kidding me
[07:24] <teknoprep> lol
[07:24] <teknoprep> foo = fool
[07:24] <gabryel> damn man
[07:24] <teknoprep> idiot
[07:24] <teknoprep> stupid
[07:24] <gabryel> now i get it
[07:24] <teknoprep> ok
[07:24] <gabryel> :)
[07:24] <teknoprep> but it doesn't mean you are
[07:24] <teknoprep> i just say it to say it
[07:24] <gabryel> i'm just crazy
[07:24] <gabryel> lol
[07:25] <gabryel> so tek
[07:25] <gabryel> tell me about this kubuntu stuff in a few words
[07:26] <teknoprep> its nice
[07:26] <teknoprep> install it
[07:26] <Tezkah> or install ubuntu, and then apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[07:27] <sun_> hi
[07:27] <Tezkah> but yes, (k)ubuntu is an awesome distro, taking debian-sid every six months and making it stable and current enough for me
[07:27] <gabryel> at home i run besides xp a suse 9.1 personal desktop
[07:27] <Liz4rd> can i apt-get xfce4?
[07:27] <teknoprep> sure
[07:27] <teknoprep> dun know how tho
[07:27] <Liz4rd> cool
[07:27] <Tezkah> Liz4rd: yeah, just open up kynaptic or synaptic
[07:27] <Tezkah> it didn't work on mine
[07:27] <Tezkah> I'm gonna try again today probably
[07:27] <teknoprep> yes
[07:27] <teknoprep> mine did
[07:28] <teknoprep> apt-get install xfce4
[07:28] <gabryel> what is xfce4?
[07:29] <Tezkah> XFCE is a very lightweight desktop environment
[07:29] <gabryel> oh i see
[07:29] <Tezkah> its said to be a better GNOME than GNOME itself
[07:29] <gabryel> another question
[07:29] <gabryel> if i have a rpm kubuntu it will install it without making another operation?
[07:30] <teknoprep> wtf
[07:30] <teknoprep> i don't know how to answer your question
[07:30] <gabryel> man
[07:31] <gabryel> in suse u can install a rpm with a program
[07:31] <teknoprep> no you can install a program using RPM
[07:31] <gabryel> u can
[07:31] <gabryel> in suse
[07:31] <Tezkah> kubuntu doesn't use RPMs though
[07:31] <teknoprep> they use .deb
[07:31] <Tezkah> it uses .deb files
[07:31] <gabryel> i see
[07:31] <teknoprep> .deb is like rpm but better
[07:31] <teknoprep> RPM's have too many problems
[07:31] <osh> gabryel: have a look at "alien". It's something that installs rpm's on debian. Although a .deb-file is probably better for you.
[07:31] <Tezkah> for example, if you want to install a program called foo
[07:31] <teknoprep> i don't like the package management in RPM based distro's
[07:31] <gabryel> and u can find .deb files on the internet?
[07:32] <Tezkah> on SuSE you'd go to foo.org, download foo.rpm
[07:32] <Tezkah> on kubuntu/debian
[07:32] <Tezkah> you'd type "apt-get install foo"
[07:32] <Tezkah> it would automagically grab the .deb and install it for you
[07:32] <gabryel> oh i see
[07:32] <teknoprep> alien breaks your system
[07:32] <teknoprep> green gremlins will be found in it
[07:32] <teknoprep> if you use alien
[07:33] <gabryel> so
[07:33] <teknoprep> i tryed to install webmin with alien once.. lol fubar'd the ENTIRE system
[07:33] <gabryel> can i find those deb files on internet?
[07:33] <teknoprep> so i just did the tar.gz
[07:33] <teknoprep> yup
[07:33] <teknoprep> you can even make them yourself
[07:33] <Tezkah> gabryel: yes, but you can use repositories, and its much easier
[07:33] <gabryel> how?
[07:33] <teknoprep> how bought that shit
[07:33] <osh> teknoprep: well yes, the potential for fubar'ing is greater but alien is a good tool that has it's uses. Like wine. ;-)
[07:34] <teknoprep> wouldn't you rather compile wine
[07:34] <teknoprep> wine is still open source right?
[07:35] <gabryel> tezkah, what are repositories?
[07:37] <_osh> teknoprep: I wasn't thinking about the program. I was thinking about the drink... ;-)
[07:37] <teknoprep> ahh
[07:38] <Tezkah> gabryel: sort of like vast internet fields of .debs
[07:38] <Tezkah> apt-get searches them and finds what you're looking for
[07:38] <buz> is there anyway to have kspread export data as excel sheet?
[07:48] <teknoprep> buz, no but openoffice can... i don't konw about kspread
[07:49] <buz> openoffice wont work on my breezy just now
[07:49] <buz> mhh i decided to boot xp in vmware and try there ;)
[07:49] <buz> i know i shouldnt be using breezy
[07:52] <buz> btw is there any place for more current oo2 debs??
[07:52] <buz> the version in the reps sucks
[07:58] <eliteforce> hi
[07:58] <eliteforce> is it possible to install kubuntu-desktop from a kubuntu cd on Ubuntu?
[07:59] <buz> it should be
[07:59] <buz> if you can get the cd recognized as repository
[08:00] <eliteforce> ok ill google
[08:00] <michelp> can anyone recommend an extremely lightweight diagrammer for ubuntu?  Dia is ok but UML is so baroque, i want pretty boxes and lines with labels
[08:00] <michelp> i could care less about aggregation vs. delegation
[08:01] <michelp> even better would be an emacs mode that just drew nice text boxes
[08:09] <brk3> does anyone know if theres a way to dock apps to a seperate panel?
[08:11] <buz> how do you mean
[08:12] <brk3> well just you know the ways apps like amarok dock to the panel, i was wondering is there way to dock them to a seperate panel
[08:13] <brk3> also, whats the difference between karamba and superkaramba..?
[08:17] <osh> brk3: karamba and superkaramba are two different programs I believe. They do the same thing though. Only in slightly different ways.
[08:18] <osh> Why is firefox so dependant on gnome libs btw? That's got to have something to do with the build and not firefox itself. Right?
[08:19] <Tezkah> the Firefox Linux port?
[08:20] <osh> Tezkah: The one in the repos. There are lots of libs installed if you do an apt-get install mozilla-firefox.
[08:21] <Tezkah> yeah, if you install the binary does it require those libraries?
[08:22] <osh> Tezkah: The one from mozilla.org? No. Probably not. But the binary there could be statically linked I assume?
[08:22] <Tezkah> yeah, would it fail to install without those libraries?
[08:22] <Tezkah> I know there is a QT firefox thing being worked on
[08:23] <Tm_T> hi kids
[08:23] <Tezkah> http://dot.kde.org/1094924433/
[08:24] <brk3> osh: ya its really annoying. but if you install the binary from the mozilla site you dont need any of the gnome libs :)
[08:24] <uniq> anyone got problems with kopete+msn today? 
[08:25] <brk3> osh: just found out. superkaramba is 10 times better than karamba :)
[08:25] <Tezkah> megakarumba is 1024 times better
[08:26] <allee> uniq: see debian bug #309745
[08:26] <brk3> Tezkah: no really, i just ran it and got this really cool setup screen
[08:26] <brk3> really nice
[08:26] <brk3> oh, by the way no ideas on the docking no?
[08:27] <Tezkah> I was making a joke...
[08:27] <brk3> oops
[08:27] <Tezkah> no idea, you have one system tray
[08:27] <Tezkah> I don't know if you could split it up
[08:27] <uniq> allee: thanks.
[08:27] <osh> Tezkah: I wonder if there's any more recent news than the one you linked to. A native firefox would be good.
[08:27] <brk3> would be nice if you could
[08:27] <Tezkah> oh man I had a dream about computers in the future
[08:27] <othernoob> where can i get drivers for an audigy 2 ?
[08:27] <brk3> osh: the gtk-qt theme and plastikfox theme does a brill job of making it look native
[08:28] <Tezkah> they were exactly like the comnputers of today, except the ones I saw had both KDE widgets and a start menu
[08:28] <KaiL_> othernoob: they are default installed :)
[08:28] <osh> brk3: But if I install from the mozilla site then I don't have the version control that apt-get gives me. I enjoy that. I was curious of why the package was built depending so heavily on gnome since it could probably be done without it.
[08:29] <KaiL_> ..but the card is set to digital output as default, so open kmix (the speaker icon in the paket), go to the second tab and disable digital output
[08:29] <brk3> osh: ya i really wonder why they did that
[08:29] <brk3> maybe we could report it
[08:29] <osh> brk3: Feel free. :-)
[08:31] <Tezkah> osh: free as in beer?
[08:32] <Tm_T> ehh
[08:32] <buz> mhh you can use synaptic you know
[08:32] <Tezkah> did you install gtk-qt-engine?
[08:32] <buz> or kpackage
[08:32] <buz> i agree, kynaptic sucks
[08:32] <Tm_T> osh: about firefox, no it's not gnome, it's GTK
[08:33] <brk3> it will be improved though
[08:33] <brk3> we just have to patient
[08:33] <brk3> Tm_T: eh yes it is
[08:33] <aseigo> bah.. *ynaptic sucks.
[08:33] <othernoob> KaiL: thanks :)
[08:33] <Tm_T> brk3: nope
[08:33] <osh> Tm_T: Right. Firefox is GTK-dependant. Not gnome. My bad.
[08:33] <brk3> it depends on loads of the gnome-livs
[08:33] <brk3> *libs
[08:33] <Tm_T> brk3: so?
[08:33] <aseigo> neither the s nor k version of it is ready for prime time. 
[08:34] <aseigo> it's trivial to hang them during updates, the UIs of both are non-trivial ... bleh
[08:34] <brk3> yes but the build we're talking about depends on gnome-lics
[08:34] <brk3> damn :)
[08:34] <brk3> *libs
[08:34] <Tm_T> blah
[08:34] <osh> Oh, and acx_pci won't accept WEP. :-/
[08:35] <osh> And before I get kicked for complaining let me just say that kubuntu is one of the better distros I've tried. :-)
[08:37] <Tm_T> hmm, I edited kmenu side image, I made my own backgtound, kicker background, icons and couple splash screens..
[08:37] <Tm_T> hmm, what else I should edit :)
[08:38] <brk3> osh: theres a few things that do need to be ironed out, but its the best distro ive ever used, no going back here ;)
[08:38] <osh> Hmm? Kdevelop isn't part of kubuntu?
[08:39] <brk3> Tm_T: amarok theme :)
[08:39] <Pupeno> When KDE 3.4.1 comes out, how much time will I have to wait till I get it on kubunto (I don't mean if it takes one week or two for packaging, but, will I be able to just upgrade to it, or will I have to wait for the next kubuntu release) ?
[08:39] <buz> wait for the next
[08:39] <osh> brk3: I agree. There are a few quirks. Perhaps I should get a bugzilla account and start complaining there instead... ;-)
[08:39] <brk3> osh: no.. but in fairness most people dont code so it makes sense to have it as an option
[08:39] <Pupeno> buz: that is, 6 months ?
[08:39] <buz> i'm not sure whether there will be a 3.4.1 even
[08:39] <buz> mhh october i think
[08:40] <Tm_T> brk3: hmm, I already made my own splash, maybe that's next, thanks :)
[08:40] <brk3> osh: well to be honest the only thing that annoys me is kynaptic
[08:40] <brk3> apart from that couldnt be better :)
[08:41] <Tm_T> Pupeno: 3.4.1 will be asap in hoary repositories
[08:41] <osh> brk3: But kdevelop isn't even in the repos is it? Perhaps in multiverse?
[08:41] <buz> Tm_T you sure?
[08:41] <Tm_T> I am
[08:41] <buz> i thought hoary wont get any non security upgrades
[08:41] <brk3> osh: it is - you must need to add some sources
[08:41] <Tm_T> osh: I think it is in multiverse
[08:42] <morten> YO!
[08:42] <brk3> eh.. yo!
[08:42] <Tm_T> hullo
[08:42] <osh> morten: OI!
[08:42] <Tm_T> heh, danish fellows
[08:43] <morten> yeehaa, Denmark is rock 'n Roll
[08:43] <Tm_T> hah
[08:43] <Tm_T> it's too south :/
[08:43] <morten> It's too south ???? I think it's too north
[08:43] <Tm_T> haha
[08:43] <Tm_T> morten: I'm from finland ;)
[08:43] <Tm_T> maybe that explains
[08:44] <morten> Ahh, the home of..... That rock band.... who only made one good song
[08:44] <buz> yeah finland has some of the best metal bands
[08:44] <Tm_T> I was impressed how well danish icehockey team played in IIHF WC this year
[08:44] <morten> I think we did horrible... comapred to last time we played
[08:44] <osh> Tm_T: Actually it's in "universe". I found it. =)
[08:45] <Tm_T> osh: oh, ok, :)
[08:45] <Tm_T> morten: hmm, what kind of band?
[08:45] <morten> ..... I can't remember... I just know they had one international hit last summer...
[08:46] <osh> morten: That "Freestyler" thingy?
[08:46] <Tm_T> haha
[08:46] <morten> ahhh.. they are cool as well...
[08:47] <Tm_T> morten: you know 22-Pistepirkko?
[08:47] <morten> nope... Right now the only music i listen to is OASIS!!!!
[08:47] <Tm_T> haha
[08:47] <morten> and damn they rock!
[08:47] <Tm_T> hmm, they're ok, too pop to me though
[08:47] <morten> ... too pop?? They ARE Rock 'n Roll!
[08:48] <Tm_T> morten: well, not for me
[08:48] <morten> Heard their new album ?
[08:48] <Tm_T> hmm, yeah
[08:48] <Tm_T> and most of their older aswell
[08:49] <morten> I think it's brilliant...
[08:49] <morten> and then the Gallagher family is simply way to cool...
[08:49] <Tm_T> hmm, I still stick with Uriah Heep, The Who and the others ;p
[08:50] <morten> I prefer Oasis, U2, Live and some others :P
[08:51] <Tm_T> heh, poprock :)
[08:51] <morten> btw, did anyone of you know that Novell once had a prof. cycling team... or atleast there have once been a cycling team called Novell
[08:51] <Tezkah> speaking of which, new Oasis album
[08:52] <Tezkah> listening to it now =)
[08:52] <Tezkah> ... don't believe the truth
[08:52] <morten> no 1,2,5,7,8,10 and 11 rocks
[08:54] <buz> i've always thought novell got the first name of netware totally wrong
[08:54] <buz> wetware would have been much better for marketing
[08:55] <morten> I'm actually going to the oasis concert in copenhagen in little under a month
[08:55] <buz> friend of mine was in milano
[08:56] <buz> i never particularly liked oasis
[08:56] <buz> tho the interviews generally are pretty "funny"
[08:56] <morten> bunk funk MC or what the hell was the name of that "freestyler band" ?
[08:56] <buz> boom funk i think
[08:56] <Tm_T> bombfunk mc's
[08:56] <Tm_T> =)
[08:56] <morten> Indeed.... specially the ones with Liam... he's soo fucked up :P
[08:56] <Tm_T> hahaha x)
[08:57] <buz> like the one where he wished blur to die of aids
[08:57] <morten> :D
[08:57] <buz> i i were famous, i'd be giving much the same interviews
[08:58] <morten> I once read an interview where he tell that he have given Noels boy instructions how he should aim for Noels knees instead of the ball
[08:58] <morten> that family is simply too fucked up  -  which makes them soo cool!
[08:58] <buz> ROTFL
[08:58] <buz> better aim for the knees than THE balls
[08:59] <morten> hehe,  yeah okay :P
[08:59] <morten> ...and incase you didnt see today stage of Giro d'Italia I can tell you that Ivan Bass of Team CSC is in the leaders jersey...
[09:02] <osh> what's the name of that multiple-desktops-applet? It got nuked when I upgraded.
[09:03] <Tezkah> right click - add -> applet
[09:03] <Tezkah> workspace ?
[09:04] <osh> Tezkah: No workspace there. Sorry.
[09:04] <Tezkah> ah... I'm not on KDE right now
[09:04] <buz> osh: pager
[09:05] <osh> buz: No pager either. 
[09:05] <buz> mhh thats weird
[09:05] <buz> to what did you upgrade
[09:06] <osh> buz: Well. I fiddled a bit with the repos. Then did an upgrade. Then changed some more and another upgrade so I'm not really sure. I don't have anything on the box so I could just reinstall everything.
[09:06] <osh> buz: it was a normal dist-upgrade though.
[09:07] <buz> did you perchance add breezy repositories?
[09:07] <buz> or even debian ones
[09:08] <osh> buz: I just uncommented stuff in the sources.list so I don't think so. But again, I'm not really sure.
[09:08] <buz> probably not then
[09:08] <buz> its kinda weird
[09:08] <buz> did you start from hoary?
[09:08] <osh> buz: Yep.
[09:08] <buz> mhh there was a problem like that before hoary
[09:09] <buz> but i dont think it should have happened after the release
[09:09] <osh> buz: I probably added universe and multiverse too though.
[09:09] <buz> if you really DID start from the release
[09:09] <buz> and not  prerelease
[09:09] <buz> universe and multiverse should be fine
[09:09] <osh> buz: I got it from the link on kubuntu.org just 2-3 days ago so I don't think it's the prerelease.
[09:10] <buz> na it should be the release then
[09:10] <buz> weird
[09:10] <buz> well if you can reinstall, that's probably easiest
[09:10] <buz> its kinda winwoes like but still true ;)
[09:11] <osh> buz: I'm still evaluating so I don't mind. :-)
[10:10] <Ghetek> how do i uninstall open office1 and install openoffice2
[10:11] <Tezkah> if openoffice2 in the repositories yet?
[10:12] <steffenstrobel> Tezkah: yes
[10:12] <Tezkah> does it show up as the newest version, or a new kind of package?
[10:13] <steffenstrobel> apt-cache search openoffice shows openoffice.org and openoffice.org2
[10:13] <Tezkah> ah
[10:13] <Tezkah> so you'd uninstall openoffice.org
[10:13] <Tezkah> and then install openoffice.org2
[10:13] <Tezkah> easy as pie
[10:13] <Diablo-D3> erm
[10:13] <Ghetek> apt-get uninstall?
[10:13] <Tezkah> is it 'remove'?
[10:14] <Tezkah> man apt-get I guess
[10:14] <Diablo-D3> remove
[10:14] <steffenstrobel> remove ;-)
[10:14] <Diablo-D3> btw, I dont think you can uninstall openoffice.org
[10:14] <Diablo-D3> ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop both require it
[10:14] <steffenstrobel> but you can have both installed
[10:14] <Diablo-D3> yes you can
[10:14] <Ghetek> damn
[10:15] <Diablo-D3> however, openoffice.org 2 is considered unstable
[10:15] <Ghetek> i will just have both and make new folder menues for each
[10:15] <Diablo-D3> as its not really 2, but just 1.9
[10:15] <steffenstrobel> Diablo-D3: but it should be possible to remove openoffice.org with dpkg, or not?
[10:15] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: ... no.
[10:16] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: <Diablo-D3> ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop both require it
[10:16] <Ghetek> ok im installing openoffice2
[10:16] <Ghetek> do you think i should also dl the kde plugins for it
[10:16] <Diablo-D3> Ghetek: you should
[10:16] <Ghetek> ok
[10:16] <Ghetek> thanks
[10:17] <Ghetek> oooh!
[10:17] <Ghetek> i will make a script for it and put it on the forums
[10:17] <steffenstrobel> Diablo-D3: is it not possible to tell dpkg/apt-get to ignore depencys?
[10:17] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: ... that would be quite stupid.
[10:17] <Diablo-D3> they're dependancies for a reason
[10:18] <Diablo-D3> you can uninstall those packages too, btw, but then you may break future upgrades of your desktop
[10:18] <Diablo-D3> ergo, its a very bad idea to do so
[10:18] <steffenstrobel> i know, i would just clarify that it IS possible to remove it without removing kubuntu-desktop
[10:19] <Ghetek> :-/
[10:19] <Diablo-D3> last time I noticed kubuntu-desktop requires openoffice
[10:20] <Diablo-D3> yup, I just checked, it does
[10:20] <steffenstrobel> Diablo-D3: i don't know if it requires openoffice.org but as we said before it is possible to remove openoffice.org without removing kubuntu-desktop, but you're right it should not be done ;-)
[10:23] <Ghetek> how do i apt get stuff with wildcards?
[10:23] <Ghetek> this is what i want to do "apt-get install "openoffice.org2""
[10:23] <buz> steffenstrobel: get a better theme for it
[10:23] <osh> steffenstrobel: It's the GTK-widgets you see. 
[10:23] <buz> plastikfox or some such
[10:23] <Ghetek> i mean *openoffice.org2*
[10:24] <buz> mine looks very nearly like a kde app save for the dialogs
[10:24] <buz> but the base ui is just fine
[10:24] <steffenstrobel> buz: plastikfox doesn't exist in universe :-(
[10:25] <buz> makes sense
[10:25] <buz> look in the theme repository ;)
[10:25] <steffenstrobel> url?
[10:25] <buz> tools -> themes -> get new themes
[10:25] <steffenstrobel> ah ok
[10:26] <buz> i have plastikfox crystal svg
[10:26] <buz> looks nearly perfectly like a plastik app
[10:27] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: nope, its not
[10:27] <Diablo-D3> Ill brb
[10:27] <buz> which is how the rest of my desktop is styled
[10:29] <osh> What other "killer apps" would you suggest for a fresh install of kubuntu?
[10:29] <Ghetek> kde-amusement
[10:30] <osh> Ghetek: What's that?
[10:30] <Ghetek> kdetoys
[10:30] <Ghetek> lots of games and toys
[10:30] <Ghetek> :)
[10:30] <Ghetek> all work and no play...
[10:32] <osh> Ghetek: Not exactly what I was looking for. Any other hints?
[10:33] <Ghetek> wine
[10:33] <Ghetek> gimp\
[10:33] <Ghetek> if you have a nice video card
[10:33] <Ghetek> celestia
[10:33] <osh> Ghetek: What's celestia?
[10:35] <buz> shouldnt matter
[10:36] <buz> the plugin interface for 1.0.x is stable
[10:36] <Ghetek> celestia is a universe map in 3d
[10:40] <bisley> steffenstrobel you can use ubuntuforums repository
[10:40] <bisley> it has mozilla-firefox 1.0.4~5.04ubp1+1.0.2-0ubuntu1
[10:41] <osh> Is there something similar to http://packages.qa.debian.org for (k)ubuntu? 
[10:42] <osh> bisley: What repos are those?
[10:47] <bisley> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[10:47] <bisley> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[10:49] <steffenstrobel> bisley: i'm using ppc so i don't think that ubuntuforums could help ;-)
[10:50] <steffenstrobel> or are they offering ppc packages?
[10:50] <osh> bisley: It'll work for me. =)
[10:50] <osh> bisley: Thanks.
[10:50] <bisley> :)
[10:50] <bisley> steffenstrobel no idea
[10:50] <steffenstrobel> bisley: no problem ;-) firefox 1.0.2 works here
[10:51] <steffenstrobel> it now look a lot better ;-) but native qt is always nicer
[10:51] <bisley> steffenstrobel you can use it :)
[10:51] <buz> sure
[10:51] <bisley> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-backports/main/
[10:51] <buz> but it still beats konqueror if you ask me
[10:51] <bisley> # binary-amd64/
[10:51] <bisley> # binary-i386/
[10:51] <bisley> # binary-powerpc/
[10:51] <steffenstrobel> great
[10:52] <myghetek> how do i open openoffice and openoffice2 in a way that lets me choose what type of document i want after the program is open. like an office menu
[10:58] <steffenstrobel> i now have ubuntuforums (2 two links that you posted here) in my sources.list did an apt-get update and after that apt-get install mozilla-firefox and it tells me that it already has the newest version installed!?
[11:00] <steffenstrobel> myghetek: open the kmenu editor and you'll see ;-) -> oocalc oowriter etc..
[11:00] <myghetek> i know
[11:01] <myghetek> i just want like a task launcher but the oo guys just told me that there isnt one
[11:01] <myghetek> its ok
[11:01] <myghetek> thanks anyway
[11:01] <steffenstrobel> ok ;-)
[11:01] <myghetek> g2g tty all later
[11:02] <steffenstrobel> bisley: how can i see what version of firfox is ubuntuforums offering for ppc?
[11:06] <Shadowki1> Greetings
[11:09] <osh> Hmm. Ubuntuforums claims to have Firefox1.0.4 but the themes&extensions tells me to upgrade to 1.0.4. What's up with that?
[11:09] <amu> steffenstrobel: first advise do not use such backports, you dont know how did it, if there are backdoors in the soft whatever, 2nd. if you use them, your system could handle the things different compared to a original kubuntu system, 3rd, you probably get no security updates from there 
[11:13] <StR> hi there..
[11:13] <amu> steffenstrobel: good :) 
[11:14] <steffenstrobel> amu: perhaps i will compile firefox from source, we'll see ;-)
[11:15] <amu> also no good idea, you have to watch security for Firefox and his depends very carefull for yourself :)
[11:16] <StR> breezy broken for g++ and dbus fun  <-- and now because of the fonts
[11:17] <yahalom> i just installed a 20 GB HD with kubuntu with no eye candy, totally stripped down, and am putting it into a celeron 500 MHZ 65 MB RAM, will that work?
[11:17] <yahalom> kernel is 386
[11:18] <steffenstrobel> amu: thats no problem, i'm usually very much behind security, but i thought that ubuntuforums is some kind of official...
[11:19] <steffenstrobel> has someone of you also sometimes strage yellow/green artefacts in kde with transparency/shaddow turned on?
[11:20] <amu> yahalom: should work 
[11:20] <Diablo-D3> yahalom: thats not problem
[11:20] <Diablo-D3> yahalom: but you might wanna grab another 64 megs of memory
[11:21] <StR> I have problems with my ram... Xorg and KDE eats my full 512M of ram...
[11:21] <amu> steffenstrobel: nope it isnt, we only have archive.ubuntu.com  
[11:21] <Diablo-D3> StR: thats unlikely.
[11:21] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: he shouldnt be using transparency anyhow
[11:21] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: it even warns you that it may be broken
[11:23] <steffenstrobel> Diablo-D3: i know, it looks great, but i sometimes have these yellow/green artefacts and now i want to know if only i have them or if it's a common problem
[11:23] <Diablo-D3> It warns you its broken for a reason, you know
[11:24] <yahalom> Diablo-D3, i'd love too man, they have no cash :(
[11:24] <yahalom> if it works slow, well then their win98 also did
[11:24] <Diablo-D3> yahalom: yeah, really, kde is going to outperform win98
[11:24] <Diablo-D3> and win2k
[11:24] <StR> Diablo-D3: really... I have my 512M used with kde+xorg+firefox...
[11:24] <Diablo-D3> and xp like 10 times over
[11:24] <Diablo-D3> StR: firefox.
[11:25] <Diablo-D3> StR: that, and you probably didnt subtract cached from your used memory
[11:25] <yahalom> the only issue i'm having is that i cant play an mpeg movie from a cd. it says it can only play local files
[11:25] <\sh> kreezy i hear u coming
[11:25] <\sh> ;)
[11:25] <amu> steffenstrobel: yep, got those yellow borders also, better dont use tanspartency for now 
[11:25] <Diablo-D3> yahalom: weird.
[11:25] <yahalom> Diablo-D3, that is with kaffeine
[11:25] <yahalom> Diablo-D3, could it be kaffeine?
[11:26] <Diablo-D3> yahalom: possibly
[11:26] <StR> Diablo-D3: nope... the cache is still there.. but when it gets the full full full 512.. then it starts with the swaping.. and it does not free the ram...
[11:26] <Diablo-D3> StR: gah, then its firefox
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> firefox can be especially stupid at times
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> either that, or you're just running quite a lot of shit
[11:27] <steffenstrobel> amu: thanks for the info, i will probably turn transparency off becaus its really slooooooooooooow too ;-)
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: its slow on all platforms, btw
[11:28] <steffenstrobel> Diablo-D3: and that will probably not change! ;-) But the artefacts will hopefully be gone in future versions...
[11:29] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: that will change, actually
[11:29] <amu> steffenstrobel: see http://amu.debian.net/tmp/snapshot3.png
[11:29] <steffenstrobel> Diablo-D3: the speed or the artefacts
[11:29] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: both
[11:29] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: Xati, which is the gl-using kdrive-based X server, does it fast and good looking
[11:30] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: except, of course, its a prototype, and not meant for everyday use
[11:30] <steffenstrobel> amu: that's it ;-)
[11:31] <steffenstrobel> Diablo-D3: also with Mobility Randeon 7000?
[11:31] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: I think its meant for r200 only
[11:32] <Diablo-D3> like I said, its a prototype
[11:32] <Diablo-D3> its not something you want to use
[11:33] <steffenstrobel> Diablo-D3: that wouldn't matter, i'm always using dev/alpha/beta/unstable/experimental versions ;-)
[11:33] <Diablo-D3> steffenstrobel: ... it doesnt even support glx.
[11:33] <steffenstrobel> at least on this system
[11:34] <Diablo-D3> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots] 
[11:34] <Diablo-D3> er
[11:34] <Diablo-D3> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots
[11:34] <Diablo-D3> look at the videos there
[11:34] <steffenstrobel> i know them ;-)
[11:34] <steffenstrobel> looks nice
[11:35] <Diablo-D3> yeah, and thats using Xgl, not any normal X server
[11:35] <steffenstrobel> but i think you'll be throwing around your windows all the time
[11:35] <Diablo-D3> I would
[11:35] <Diablo-D3> everytime I move it
[11:35] <steffenstrobel> and the greatest thing is that he used a shared memory graphics card
[11:36] <Diablo-D3> ie, peice of crap
[11:36] <steffenstrobel> yes
[11:36] <Diablo-D3> yeah, the actual effect doesnt need any real power
[11:37] <steffenstrobel> and even with this crap it's fast
[11:37] <Diablo-D3> (which confuses the hell out of most people)
[11:37] <hans_> does anyone know how to isntall a lexmark allinone x74?
[11:38] <Diablo-D3> hans_: does it support postscript?
[11:39] <hans_> dunno what postscript is sry
[11:39] <Diablo-D3> if you dont know what it is, then your printer most likely doesnt know it
[11:39] <Diablo-D3> hans_: quite a few lexmark printers are not supported in linux
[11:40] <hans_> i downloaded something with ghostscript for my printer
[11:40] <Diablo-D3> hans_: because lexmark refuses to tell us how their printers work, and we cannot support them without that information
[11:40] <hans_> :(
[11:40] <Diablo-D3> I suggest you call up lexmark and complain
[11:40] <Diablo-D3> Infact, thats why I got rid of a lexmark printer someone gave me, it cant be used under Linux
[11:40] <hans_> ill try
[11:41] <Diablo-D3> now, any Lexmark printer that supports postscript works fine
[11:41] <Diablo-D3> but most, especially the cheap ones, done
[11:41] <Diablo-D3> *don't
[11:41] <hans_> is postscript something like ghostscript?
[11:42] <Diablo-D3> ... sort of
[11:42] <Diablo-D3> ghostscript is a software postscript interpreter
[11:42] <Diablo-D3> CUPS uses it for printers that don't understand postscript
[11:42] <hans_> ok thx
[11:48] <gsuveg> re
[11:49] <gsuveg> maybe anybody use knoda ?
[11:53] <Kejk_PL> hello, what make that system speed boost?
[11:53] <Kejk_PL> I haven't received it, I just connected
[11:56] <steffenstrobel> Kejk_PL: Transparency/Shaddows turned of! But the default is turned off!
[11:56] <Kejk_PL> OK, thanks ;-)
[11:56] <Kejk_PL> I have used composite with KDE - VERY instalable
[11:56] <Kejk_PL> */unstable
[11:57] <steffenstrobel> Kejk_PL: yes, did you also get yellow/green artefacts?
[11:57] <Kejk_PL> Xorg crash ;-)
[11:57] <Kejk_PL> I have weird shadows on 'K'-menu
[11:58] <steffenstrobel> Kejk_PL: composite in my x.org conf file works without problems, but transparency/shaddows in kde slows the system down and sometimes makes yellow/green artefacts...
[11:59] <Kejk_PL> system was quite fast, I had to add ReanderAccel On to xorg.conf
[12:00] <steffenstrobel> what graphics card are you using?
[12:00] <Kejk_PL> steffenstrobel, but I haven't tested it for long time - after 5 or 6 X crash it was annoying 
[12:00] <Kejk_PL> nVidia FX 5200
[12:01] <Kejk_PL> cheapest FX available :)
[12:01] <kkathman> hey all and greetings from New York :)
[12:01] <billytwowilly> lol. anakin became darth vader. Who would have thought?
[12:01] <steffenstrobel> ok, i have a mobility randeon 7500 and there is no acceleration avaible :-(
[12:01] <nmorse> hello kkathman
[12:01] <kkathman> hey nmorse :)
[12:01] <steffenstrobel> kkathman: greetings from munich!
[12:02] <kkathman> howdy steffenstrobel !
[12:02] <Kejk_PL> steffenstrobel, I heard about it, because of good driver I've chosen nvida
[12:02] <billytwowilly> everyone: greetings from Canada eh?
[12:02] <Kejk_PL> and form Poland too ;-)
[12:02] <kkathman> im not normally from New York, just traveling on business :)
[12:02] <steffenstrobel> Kejk_PL: my next pc will have no ati, that's sure