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| herve | do we? | 06:01 |
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| ogra | yep | 06:01 |
| dholbach | yes | 06:01 |
| ogra | HELLOO MOTUs | 06:01 |
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| dholbach | who of the MOTU crew or MOTU interests is here? | 06:01 |
| ogra | me | 06:01 |
| dholbach | me too | 06:01 |
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| dholbach | nice :-) | 06:02 |
| === herve waves | ||
| dholbach | hey tseng|work | 06:02 |
| ogra | hey tseng|work | 06:02 |
| tseng|work | heya daniel | 06:02 |
| dholbach | can you think of anything else not put on MOTUMeeting? | 06:02 |
| ogra | next meeting date | 06:02 |
| tseng|work | hi ogra, herve | 06:02 |
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| dholbach | it's on there :-) | 06:02 |
| ogra | we should put it there as a standard entry | 06:03 |
| herve | hi tseng|work, seb128 | 06:03 |
| seb128 | Hi herve | 06:03 |
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| ogra | dholbach, do you want to lead this time ? | 06:03 |
| dholbach | ok... shall we just start from the top? | 06:03 |
| ogra | as you like :) | 06:03 |
| dholbach | ogra: ok, i'll take notes of it as well | 06:04 |
| dholbach | 1) MOTUTeams - who's interested? What do we do? When do we start? | 06:04 |
| ogra | we have logs ;) | 06:04 |
| tseng|work | MOTUMONO! | 06:04 |
| tseng|work | we rock so hard. | 06:04 |
| dholbach | ok... i think we REALLY need teams soon and make the idea public | 06:04 |
| herve | I think I'm already in python & zope teamns | 06:04 |
| ogra | yeah | 06:04 |
| herve | (teams) | 06:04 |
| dholbach | and gather interested people | 06:04 |
| herve | with ajmitch & doko where appropriate | 06:04 |
| dholbach | who can have heads up, squash bugs and whatever | 06:05 |
| herve | I think teams are important for running projects | 06:05 |
| herve | because squashing bugs... we already do it | 06:05 |
| dholbach | i want to fix a date with koke, seb128 and jdub for the MOTUGNOME team | 06:05 |
| dholbach | and collect ideas | 06:05 |
| dholbach | and announce them to the public real soon now | 06:05 |
| dholbach | because poor seb128 is overrun by the amount of bugs | 06:06 |
| ogra | dholbach, oh, the bugday is missing from the agenda, i'd like to talk about it at the end... | 06:06 |
| dholbach | ogra: ok, if you'd put it on | 06:06 |
| dholbach | can you think of stuff we should do to make this process of team building fluent and rocking? | 06:06 |
| ogra | if mozilla lets me log in without crash ;P | 06:06 |
| dholbach | :-) | 06:06 |
| herve | dholbach, what kind of tools? | 06:07 |
| dholbach | tools in what sense? | 06:07 |
| dholbach | i already wrote http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTeamHowto, but i'm not sure, if that's all we'd have to do to get going | 06:07 |
| herve | to assist the work | 06:07 |
| tseng|work | if you have an idea for a tool | 06:08 |
| tseng|work | write it up please | 06:08 |
| dholbach | it'd be lovely if we could drag in the talented, patient and gifted people into the motu team | 06:08 |
| tseng|work | i am getting pretty good at webapps in php/mysql | 06:08 |
| tseng|work | and shell scripting | 06:08 |
| tseng|work | ogra rocks at python | 06:08 |
| ogra | heh, i'm still learning :) | 06:08 |
| dholbach | but there are things that each team needs to sort out individually | 06:09 |
| dholbach | i mean there are loads of tasks, like enhancing, fixing, ... | 06:09 |
| dholbach | what ideas do you have to get teams going? | 06:09 |
| dholbach | you can start with the ideas for your team | 06:09 |
| dholbach | they could serve as a good example for all of them | 06:10 |
| dholbach | or is it too early/late for a braindump? :-) | 06:10 |
| ogra | we just do it .... in the mono team | 06:10 |
| dholbach | don't you plan to "go live", make it public? attract the masses? :-) | 06:11 |
| herve | ogra stole my words | 06:11 |
| ogra | but there is no extensive planning, meeting or coordination except what we talk on IRC | 06:11 |
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| herve | yo \sh! | 06:11 |
| \sh | just in time | 06:11 |
| \sh | woke up 3 mins before start | 06:11 |
| dholbach | from what i know, you could really do with some additional hands on deck, right? | 06:11 |
| ogra | but mono is a special case, i think with the amount of packages we ont need more then 3 ppl | 06:12 |
| ogra | but testers ar fine | 06:12 |
| dholbach | but for fixing? getting new stuff in? the nice and cozy feeling in the team? | 06:12 |
| ogra | sure, but there are other teams that are in a more worse state | 06:12 |
| dholbach | of course | 06:12 |
| ogra | or havent even started to exist | 06:13 |
| dholbach | i just wanted to ask everybody "as a team member" | 06:13 |
| dholbach | and collect ideas and plans | 06:13 |
| dholbach | to make it as easy as possible for everyone | 06:13 |
| ogra | ure | 06:13 |
| dholbach | i already wrote http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTeamHowto, but i'm not sure, if that's all we'd have to do | 06:13 |
| herve | sadly, the python and zope teams don't really exist, so no experience to share here | 06:14 |
| dholbach | herve: any plans to make it happen? | 06:14 |
| ogra | yeah, take the lea | 06:14 |
| ogra | d | 06:14 |
| herve | I wonder for the need, first | 06:15 |
| dholbach | there are loads of packages the python team could take care of :-) | 06:15 |
| dholbach | and steer whatever is to be done | 06:15 |
| dholbach | we could even divide UniverseCandidates into sections | 06:16 |
| dholbach | and get stuff in on a team basis | 06:16 |
| dholbach | ok, if you feel this is the wrong topic or there's nothing to discuss yet, shall we just proceed? | 06:16 |
| \sh | i think it's a nice idea | 06:16 |
| \sh | and a good one :) | 06:16 |
| dholbach | to proceed? | 06:17 |
| ogra | dholbach, first target should be to get more people in, teams will start to form themselves (see siretart and Burgundavia.... ) | 06:17 |
| dholbach | ogra: of course, but i think we should announce the building of teams on all of our mailing lists with a variety of ideas and plans to attract people and show them a place where they could fit into | 06:18 |
| herve | dholbach, if we need to coordinate work between doko, ajmitch, d3vic3 and myself, then the team will exist | 06:18 |
| dholbach | not dicatingly but just to show what's going on | 06:18 |
| herve | for now, we just handle work as it happens | 06:18 |
| \sh | ogra: well...I think the most difficult thing is to get the people in anyways. they need to know where they should start | 06:18 |
| \sh | there r a lot of people working for kde stuff, gnome stuff, but don't bother to take workloads from others..(new packages, fixing packages etc.) | 06:19 |
| dholbach | i agree with you, \sh | 06:20 |
| \sh | to address them we should have things like teams settled down. and yes, right now, everybody takes everything like it comes :) how many motus are there at all :) | 06:20 |
| dholbach | \sh: just not enough :-) | 06:20 |
| \sh | i can only speak for me right now, cause I experienced the problems to start with "something". | 06:21 |
| ogra | 16 are on the wikipage... but thats not up to date afaik | 06:21 |
| ogra | \sh, there is always a transition to start with ;) | 06:21 |
| \sh | "with what do I start? new packages, fixing bugs in packages etc. pp" | 06:21 |
| ogra | and afterwards you will feel useles... and just form a team :) | 06:21 |
| \sh | ogra: but not everybody has a nice "pusher" like u :) | 06:21 |
| dholbach | i think promoting a team spirit would help people a lot | 06:21 |
| ogra | dholbach, go ahead, i already wrote several mails to the ML about the teams.... the response was always very silent.... | 06:22 |
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| dholbach | ogra: i will | 06:22 |
| dholbach | ogra: no it isnt | 06:22 |
| \sh | to explain what i mean: for many people there is no such thing like a "tutoring device" like ogra was for me, or the rest of my experiences in OSS at all | 06:23 |
| dholbach | but we need visions, plans and ideas to let the message sink into people | 06:23 |
| ogra | \sh, there is.... | 06:23 |
| ogra | \sh, thats what the cannel is for ;) | 06:23 |
| dholbach | "fix a random bug" - "take care of a random package" is not the warm welcoming feeling we want to give to people | 06:23 |
| \sh | dholbach: that's what I mean | 06:23 |
| \sh | and we know all, there r people who r not shy and start working on "something" like ivoks | 06:24 |
| ogra | many of them come with NEW packages... we should encourage more to go for bugfixes | 06:24 |
| tseng|work | do people who can fix bugs need a warm feeling? | 06:24 |
| dholbach | tseng|work: yes they do :-) | 06:24 |
| ogra | since starting with a NEW package from scratch is not easy... | 06:24 |
| ogra | tseng|work, dont you ? | 06:24 |
| tseng|work | i fixed a bug in tcl binding linking in rrdtool | 06:25 |
| dholbach | to be honest, i didn't want to join the #ubuntu-devel crowd at first, because i was a bit afraid, i "couldnt do it" | 06:25 |
| tseng|work | i did not feel "warm" | 06:25 |
| tseng|work | :) | 06:25 |
| dholbach | and i needed a bit of persuasion :-) | 06:25 |
| \sh | ogra: e.g. cxx transitions .. i was a little bit scared to try something new for me :) but I'll tried and there r others who r not like me "to try" they need a guiding hand (this is also an idea for a team ;))) | 06:25 |
| ogra | tseng|work, because you didnt fix it for ubuntu ? | 06:25 |
| \sh | "the ubuntu work primary school" | 06:26 |
| ogra | \sh, i dont say teams are bad (in fact i was the creator of the wiki page) i just think it will work by itself... | 06:26 |
| dholbach | would it help, if we announced "team founding meetings"? | 06:26 |
| tseng|work | ogra: i fixed it in gentoo.. its not broken in ubuntu atm | 06:26 |
| ogra | people come in and look for a place.... | 06:27 |
| ogra | tseng|work, you see, thats why ;) | 06:27 |
| tseng|work | k | 06:27 |
| dholbach | ogra: you're right, it will happen - nobody will be forced into it | 06:27 |
| ogra | a fixed ubuntu package has a builtin "warm feeing factor" | 06:27 |
| herve | dholbach, the harder is to make people come into #ubuntu-motu, then we can guide them where appropriate | 06:27 |
| ogra | dholbach, thats not what i meant...forced :) | 06:28 |
| dholbach | ogra: of course | 06:28 |
| dholbach | herve: what do you mean? | 06:28 |
| herve | nothing special | 06:29 |
| herve | just to make people involved | 06:29 |
| herve | not necessarly make them sign in a team | 06:29 |
| \sh | herve: that is :) one of the problem all projects have | 06:29 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 06:29 |
| dholbach | the feeling of "there's something happening" and "people instantly got things done" is what we need to promote | 06:30 |
| dholbach | and ideas and plans can help with that | 06:30 |
| dholbach | not everybody fights his way into the python team on day 1 | 06:30 |
| \sh | we need more PR and marketing...buttons, caps, cups, mousepads ;) | 06:30 |
| dholbach | hahahaaa :-) | 06:30 |
| dholbach | that's topic 4) | 06:31 |
| dholbach | ;-) | 06:31 |
| \sh | well, it sounds funny :) | 06:31 |
| dholbach | ok, shall we draw a line here? | 06:31 |
| ogra | yep | 06:31 |
| dholbach | ok | 06:31 |
| ogra | you make an announcement ? | 06:31 |
| dholbach | 2) current status of things | 06:31 |
| herve | \sh, thongs too? :-) | 06:31 |
| dholbach | herve: yes!!! :-) | 06:31 |
| ogra | heh | 06:31 |
| dholbach | ogra: i will take care of it | 06:31 |
| ogra | yeah, its getting summer | 06:31 |
| \sh | herve: sure why not for hot MOTU chicks ;) | 06:31 |
| dholbach | do you feel things in general should change? | 06:32 |
| dholbach | how do you feel towards ubuntu, motu and the universe atm? | 06:32 |
| herve | fine! | 06:32 |
| ogra | i feel very small facing the universe :) | 06:32 |
| herve | except I'd like malone would be ready | 06:32 |
| ogra | AND ITS EXPANDING !! | 06:32 |
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| dholbach | herve: shall we fix a date for another meeting in ... say ... 2 weeks? | 06:33 |
| ogra | give it time... at least searching works... | 06:33 |
| dholbach | herve: just to insist on certain items on the list and hear about their status? | 06:33 |
| herve | dholbach, as you wish, I have no special requirement atm | 06:33 |
| dholbach | any other opinions? | 06:33 |
| herve | hmm... | 06:34 |
| ogra | let brad do his job, i think he has the list and has the prios | 06:34 |
| dholbach | of course, ogra, i won't be a pain in the neck | 06:34 |
| ogra | just check it from time to time | 06:34 |
| herve | ogra, I don't put pressure on him, just share my feeling | 06:34 |
| dholbach | i think i'll ask bradb to give me a status update in 2 weeks - i'll report to you | 06:34 |
| dholbach | everybody ok with that? | 06:35 |
| ogra | 2 weeks | 06:35 |
| ogra | isnt that the estimated 1.0 release date anyway ? | 06:35 |
| dholbach | i thought it was a bit later | 06:35 |
| \sh | one question more: who is in charge to upload anyways? I think we should point out who can be pinged for those things at all. | 06:35 |
| \sh | there is little information about this...;) | 06:35 |
| dholbach | \sh: all motus can | 06:35 |
| ogra | 6th or 9th of june ? i'm not sure | 06:35 |
| dholbach | ogra: i'll ask him | 06:35 |
| ogra | yep | 06:35 |
| \sh | dholbach: u have an updated list of motus? i could do some update on this page | 06:36 |
| ogra | dholbach, we have a meeting anyway, after this one ;) | 06:36 |
| dholbach | \sh's question leads to the next point which is related to 2): 3) feedback on current processes | 06:36 |
| dholbach | hrmbl i can't seem to be able to open the MOTU wiki page | 06:37 |
| ogra | heh, get a i386 :) | 06:37 |
| dholbach | \sh: i think the list is complete | 06:37 |
| ogra | was herve the last one ? | 06:37 |
| dholbach | herve and tritium | 06:37 |
| ogra | oh, sure, there were no TB meetings... | 06:37 |
| dholbach | "feedback on current processes" | 06:38 |
| dholbach | we have a lot of processes: NewMotu, NewPackages, MorguePackages, ReviewStuff ... - do you think we need to change stuff? | 06:38 |
| ogra | i dont like the wiki lists :) (as long as ff doenst allow searching in textinput fields) | 06:39 |
| herve | I think we need better tools than editing long wiki pages | 06:39 |
| \sh | I think the "NewPackages" and "ToReview" process via wiki is quite weired | 06:39 |
| herve | I think this issue is clear :-) | 06:39 |
| \sh | using malone or bugzilla is making more sense here | 06:39 |
| dholbach | herve: i think everybody would be delighted to hear plans of you on this one | 06:39 |
| ogra | probably a task for the zope/python team.... write a list managingt component for zope ;) | 06:40 |
| herve | I thought of a workflow driven application for reviews | 06:40 |
| dholbach | me included :-) | 06:40 |
| dholbach | oh yes | 06:40 |
| dholbach | that sounds rocking | 06:40 |
| ogra | isnt malone supposed to be exactly this ? | 06:40 |
| \sh | tseng said that he was fixing things in gentoo :) | 06:40 |
| \sh | and new stuff will go into bugzilla (in gentoo) | 06:40 |
| dholbach | can we open bugs on UNKNOWN stuff? | 06:40 |
| \sh | will be reviewed by the "devs" | 06:41 |
| \sh | and after reviewing it goes into the tree | 06:41 |
| dholbach | we could switch the review-thing over to malone | 06:41 |
| seb128 | don't use a bug tracker for packages reviews | 06:41 |
| ogra | dholbach, not sure... | 06:41 |
| dholbach | seb128: we have proposed patches for c++ stuff in bugzilla atm | 06:41 |
| seb128 | the bug flow is important enough | 06:41 |
| dholbach | seb128: that got me thinking | 06:41 |
| \sh | so malone/bugzilla is a good way also as workflow engine for reviewing | 06:41 |
| seb128 | dholbach: imho you should really not use a bug tracker for that | 06:42 |
| \sh | seb128: request tracker can make also sense | 06:42 |
| seb128 | these are not bugs | 06:42 |
| dholbach | seb128: doesnt debian handle it the same way? | 06:42 |
| seb128 | better to use a mailing list | 06:42 |
| seb128 | debian use the lists | 06:42 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 06:42 |
| dholbach | ubuntu-motu@ was more or less denied | 06:42 |
| herve | we won't have a mailing list? | 06:42 |
| dholbach | some folks feel it would be too much of separation | 06:43 |
| herve | seb128, yeah, "why debian would have *another* wiki engine!" :-) | 06:43 |
| \sh | well, i would favour more a webtoolized application | 06:43 |
| dholbach | seb128: mailing lists would be absolutely fine with me | 06:43 |
| herve | dholbach, but we need offline communication too | 06:43 |
| herve | I mean, asynchronous | 06:43 |
| dholbach | a mailing list would be cool for that | 06:43 |
| dholbach | we'd tell the guys to sign up for <whatever@lists.ubuntu.com> to get their review status | 06:44 |
| ogra | hmm, why not web driven... | 06:44 |
| dholbach | because it would need another bit of code that's not there yet | 06:44 |
| ogra | just with a usable tool instead of a wiki.... | 06:44 |
| herve | ogra, it could be web driven with notifications in a list, rss, etc. | 06:44 |
| seb128 | dholbach: debian has http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp too | 06:44 |
| \sh | RT | 06:44 |
| ogra | herve, yep, thats what i thought of | 06:45 |
| dholbach | seb128: that's what i meant | 06:45 |
| Kamion | bugs.debian.org/wnpp is a bad hack | 06:45 |
| \sh | http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ | 06:45 |
| seb128 | dholbach: but the BTS doesn't handle the bugs the same way as bugzilla, ie: they is not list of bugs with that on the middle | 06:45 |
| Kamion | it works, but it creaks | 06:45 |
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| herve | Kamion, only the result counts ;)- | 06:46 |
| dholbach | Kamion: do you think a mailing list for package reviews (maybe on a yet-to-com MOTU lists) would be more feasible? | 06:46 |
| \sh | a normal request tracker can do the work....email communication support, web driven, too and easy to adjust to send out jabber messages | 06:46 |
| Kamion | sure, but if you're implementing something new you should learn from previous mistakes | 06:46 |
| Kamion | dholbach: I don't really have an opinion, just replying to the debbugs thing | 06:46 |
| seb128 | dholbach: my concern is that bugs are not going to be handled on the middle of the bug flox | 06:46 |
| seb128 | flow | 06:46 |
| dholbach | Kamion: ok | 06:46 |
| Kamion | dholbach: (I'm not really here) it seems reasonable though | 06:47 |
| dholbach | :-) | 06:47 |
| \sh | well, i think the problem is what priority has "new packages and/or reviewing (bugfixed packages)" | 06:47 |
| ogra | there are hundrets of webdriven ticketsystems.... | 06:47 |
| seb128 | dholbach: if you want to be efficient on package review you need a way to make the distinction clear | 06:47 |
| dholbach | ok, i can make another call on the MOTU list topic and add the need for review stuff (maybe only as an interim solution) | 06:47 |
| herve | do someone listens to \sh's idea? :-) | 06:47 |
| \sh | ogra: I used an example i'd use in the past | 06:48 |
| dholbach | \sh: a high one | 06:48 |
| ogra | \sh, both have high prio | 06:48 |
| dholbach | seb128: i absolutely see your point | 06:48 |
| dholbach | ok... how do you feel towards a mailing list until we have a webticket-system? | 06:49 |
| dholbach | or review traffic on a mailing list | 06:50 |
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| herve | but reviewing bugfixes occurs when a bug has patch included? | 06:50 |
| \sh | ok...thats cleared and are there any "review rules" at all, how the debian/ directory should be structurized? i mean, packaging is one thing, reviewing the other, it needs more wisdom to review then to package ;) | 06:50 |
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| Kamion | fwiw, elmo already uses RT internally for admin, I imagine it wouldn't be hard to set up another instance | 06:50 |
| dholbach | \sh: i started ReviewingTips on the wiki, but it's far from complete | 06:50 |
| ogra | \sh, there are rules.... un the NM guide | 06:50 |
| ogra | in even | 06:50 |
| Kamion | not that I'm volunteering other people's time or anything | 06:50 |
| ogra | Kamion, RT, cool | 06:51 |
| herve | ogra, and debian policy I guess? | 06:51 |
| ogra | yep | 06:51 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: setting up multiple queues is trivial. | 06:51 |
| \sh | Kamion: it's a nice tool, and u need only one instance of RT to support different queues | 06:51 |
| Kamion | \sh: that depends on firewall policy | 06:51 |
| Kamion | the world cannot access @admins.warthogs.hbd.com, not even sure if they can get at that machine | 06:51 |
| ogra | but setting up a world reachable one should be possible | 06:52 |
| \sh | ok...there r policies outside the ubuntu space :) so we should make them as "standard reading" for newbies :) | 06:52 |
| dholbach | i can investigate on that one, if you like the plan as a whole | 06:52 |
| dholbach | the RT one, that is | 06:52 |
| \sh | Kamion: ah I see right, i didn't know the infrastructure behind it | 06:52 |
| ogra | \sh, rather help tseng writing the MOTU book ;) | 06:52 |
| ogra | dholbach, RT is perfectlya what we need.... | 06:53 |
| \sh | ogra: :) | 06:53 |
| dholbach | alright, i put it on my todo list | 06:53 |
| ogra | dholbach, its a workflow dedicated ticket system | 06:53 |
| dholbach | ok... do you feel there are any other processes we need to tweak or make comprehensible? | 06:53 |
| \sh | "once there was a time, when the MOTUs came out of the dark, into the light...more then 1000 years last the piece in the Ubuntu Universe and the Masters are not tired to..." | 06:53 |
| ogra | \sh, yeah | 06:54 |
| dholbach | :-) | 06:54 |
| \sh | you see, I watched "Star Wars III" yesterday ;) | 06:54 |
| ogra | ok, can we move on, dholbach and me have another meeting afterwards :) | 06:54 |
| ogra | (in ~10mins) | 06:54 |
| dholbach | arg | 06:55 |
| dholbach | ff crashed again | 06:55 |
| ogra | welcome to the club :) | 06:55 |
| dholbach | t-shirts was the next? | 06:55 |
| ogra | yep | 06:55 |
| \sh | t-shirts, thongs and 1 litre coffee mugs | 06:55 |
| dholbach | shall i send a mail to the whole crew where we call for other alternatives to the one design we have? | 06:55 |
| ogra | i liked burgundavias design... (havent got the url) | 06:55 |
| \sh | what design? | 06:56 |
| herve | yes, I'd like to see it again | 06:56 |
| ogra | \sh, i think he created a wikipage with it | 06:56 |
| dholbach | ok... i will ping burgundavia about it again :-) | 06:56 |
| \sh | It should make a nice flat stomach and it must be something like spiderman ;) | 06:57 |
| dholbach | we should really make the t-shirt happen :-) | 06:57 |
| ogra | yep | 06:57 |
| herve | about merchandising | 06:57 |
| dholbach | herve: hm? | 06:57 |
| \sh | well...but a tshirt | 06:57 |
| herve | I want you to know french pay quite much for buying stuff in the usa | 06:57 |
| herve | customs and the like | 06:57 |
| \sh | i would propose something like a "fedora" (c) by redhat | 06:58 |
| \sh | that was really a difference to other linux competitors | 06:58 |
| herve | and we may not be an exception :-) | 06:58 |
| dholbach | herve: sabdfl offered the t-shirt shipping to the MOTU club - i will ask him, if he still likes the idea, when we have agreed on a design :-) | 06:58 |
| herve | cool then :-) | 06:58 |
| dholbach | ok, i will summon up burgundavia again and ask everybody if we there are additional ideas on it | 06:59 |
| herve | coo... er? I don't know if it could include customs taxes | 06:59 |
| dholbach | ogra: want to to introduce us to the fly flap day? | 06:59 |
| ogra | yeah.... | 06:59 |
| herve | dholbach, about just the logo or some sentence on it? | 06:59 |
| herve | animal crualty! | 06:59 |
| ogra | THE UBUNTU FlyFlapDay ! | 07:00 |
| dholbach | herve: all of it :-) | 07:00 |
| ogra | its a weekly summit where everybody iun the community shall help fixing bugs | 07:00 |
| herve | well, it's just a bugfix sprint I guess :-) | 07:00 |
| \sh | ogra: hmm? | 07:00 |
| ogra | but it shall not be just another bugday | 07:00 |
| ogra | we want to categorize bugs by the skill level you need to fix them | 07:01 |
| ogra | there will be three categoies... | 07:01 |
| ogra | 1. community bugs | 07:01 |
| ogra | thats for the new kids on the block, that wna to help out or.. | 07:01 |
| dholbach | hahahaa.... :-) | 07:02 |
| ogra | just want to see their favorite bugs fixed | 07:02 |
| ogra | (trivial ones though) | 07:02 |
| ogra | the second category shall be MOTU bugs | 07:02 |
| \sh | "new kids?" what about me? "old farts"? | 07:02 |
| \sh | anyway ;) | 07:02 |
| ogra | bugs hwere you need a decent skill level or have to know the basics of packaging etc | 07:02 |
| ogra | the third part are the normal distro bugs tat are fixed by the distro team | 07:03 |
| ogra | we will have a special bug channel for this and i'll write weekly announcements | 07:03 |
| === dholbach hugs ogra :-) | ||
| herve | aren't we fly flapping everyday? :-) | 07:04 |
| \sh | hmm....what about upstream bugs? are they included in 3) | 07:04 |
| dholbach | herve: publicity! :-) | 07:04 |
| ogra | the bugs will be listed on a wikipage ?? (or RT) | 07:04 |
| ogra | once a month we will do something special... | 07:04 |
| ogra | the community has to vote for the BOTM | 07:05 |
| \sh | ogra: wiki is here ok...cause RT needs special perms for resolving/closing | 07:05 |
| \sh | ogra: and the bug itself should be in malone | 07:05 |
| ogra | \sh, its not about resolving/closing | 07:05 |
| ogra | just about tracking the work thats been done for the voting | 07:05 |
| \sh | ogra: that was for RT :) | 07:05 |
| \sh | oh ok..then RT | 07:05 |
| \sh | RT++ | 07:06 |
| ogra | ok, the BOTM will recieve merchandise of any kind from ubuntu, this is backed by canonical.... | 07:06 |
| \sh | what if one guy/gal will be every weeks no. 1? | 07:07 |
| dholbach | ogra: what will we have to do? categorize those bugs? do we need to feed lists in a yet-to-have RT? | 07:07 |
| ogra | (i also try to alk with mark about electing a BOTY who gets free sponsoring for a conference, but that may be to expensive) | 07:07 |
| ogra | dholbach, i asked kiko about a special field in bugzilla/malone | 07:07 |
| dholbach | and what about the categorizing stuff? | 07:08 |
| dholbach | B = bug or bugsquasher? | 07:08 |
| ogra | Bugfixer Of The Month | 07:09 |
| dholbach | ok | 07:09 |
| ogra | Bugfixer Of The Year | 07:09 |
| dholbach | just to clarify :-) | 07:09 |
| herve | dholbach, we're not sending merchandise to a bug :-) | 07:09 |
| ogra | heh | 07:09 |
| dholbach | ogra: ok, but what about the categorizing? | 07:09 |
| dholbach | who will do it? | 07:09 |
| ogra | dholbach, but anyway, we'll have to do the categorizing by ourselves.... i think this should happen while we do the first review of a bug | 07:10 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 07:10 |
| ogra | (i.e. while you are looking for duplicates etc) | 07:10 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 07:10 |
| ogra | since you have to touch it anyway | 07:10 |
| dholbach | i like the idea very much | 07:10 |
| \sh | and it can be quite good to encourage people to work for motu at all | 07:11 |
| ogra | its very important to involve the community here .... so they get in tight contact with their devs | 07:11 |
| ogra | and they are the ones that vote the BOTM | 07:11 |
| dholbach | yes | 07:11 |
| ogra | so both rely on each other :) | 07:11 |
| dholbach | rocking! :) | 07:11 |
| ogra | ok, thats the fly flap day :) you'll see the first announcement soon ... | 07:12 |
| dholbach | i will not include this in the wrapup on the list | 07:12 |
| \sh | and it's possible to encourage some local UGs to have meetings at these special days ;) | 07:12 |
| dholbach | just drop a FlyFlapDay somewhere, to make people curious :) | 07:12 |
| ogra | yeah | 07:12 |
| dholbach | maybe it should be wiki.ubnutu.com/NoNameYet ;) | 07:13 |
| \sh | TheFreezer ;) | 07:13 |
| ogra | fridge | 07:13 |
| \sh | nono | 07:13 |
| \sh | fridge is news site | 07:13 |
| \sh | freezer is more scary ;) | 07:13 |
| dholbach | ok... shall we now fix a new date and time? | 07:13 |
| ogra | yep | 07:14 |
| dholbach | 3 weeks from now? | 07:14 |
| ogra | four weeks ? or do we need something earlier ? | 07:14 |
| ogra | heh | 07:14 |
| dholbach | maybe a different time? | 07:14 |
| dholbach | to make sure our australian/.nz friends are here? | 07:14 |
| \sh | 4 weeks should be ok, or? | 07:14 |
| ogra | dholbach, so 5h later ? | 07:15 |
| ogra | or 6 | 07:15 |
| dholbach | that's 24:00 for us :-) | 07:15 |
| ogra | yep | 07:15 |
| dholbach | ok | 07:15 |
| dholbach | 19.06.05 22:00 UTC | 07:15 |
| ogra | oki | 07:15 |
| dholbach | could somebody with a not-upgraded firefox do that? ;-) | 07:16 |
| dholbach | PLEASE :-) | 07:16 |
| ogra | i'll do it from the other machine | 07:16 |
| dholbach | on MOTUMeeting and Calendar :-) | 07:16 |
| dholbach | kthxbye | 07:16 |
| === dholbach hugs ogra again | ||
| ogra | (later.... lets meet salgado) | 07:16 |
| === ogra hugs dholbach too | ||
| \sh | ok...thx for the meeting | 07:16 |
| dholbach | thanks for joining us, herve, \sh and tseng|work :-) | 07:16 |
| ogra | yeah | 07:17 |
| \sh | cu around :) | 07:17 |
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