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[06:01] <herve> do we?
[06:01] <ogra> yep
[06:01] <dholbach> yes
[06:01] <ogra> HELLOO MOTUs
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[06:01] <dholbach> who of the MOTU crew or MOTU interests is here?
[06:01] <ogra> me
[06:01] <dholbach> me too
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[06:02] <dholbach> nice :-)
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[06:02] <dholbach> hey tseng|work 
[06:02] <ogra> hey tseng|work 
[06:02] <tseng|work> heya daniel
[06:02] <dholbach> can you think of anything else not put on MOTUMeeting?
[06:02] <ogra> next meeting date
[06:02] <tseng|work> hi ogra, herve
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[06:02] <dholbach> it's on there :-)
[06:03] <ogra> we should put it there as a standard entry
[06:03] <herve> hi tseng|work, seb128 
[06:03] <seb128> Hi herve 
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[06:03] <ogra> dholbach, do you want to lead this time ?
[06:03] <dholbach> ok... shall we just start from the top?
[06:03] <ogra> as you like :)
[06:04] <dholbach> ogra: ok, i'll take notes of it as well
[06:04] <dholbach> 1) MOTUTeams - who's interested? What do we do? When do we start?
[06:04] <ogra> we have logs ;)
[06:04] <tseng|work> MOTUMONO!
[06:04] <tseng|work> we rock so hard.
[06:04] <dholbach> ok... i think we REALLY need teams soon and make the idea public
[06:04] <herve> I think I'm already in python & zope teamns
[06:04] <ogra> yeah
[06:04] <herve> (teams)
[06:04] <dholbach> and gather interested people
[06:04] <herve> with ajmitch & doko where appropriate
[06:05] <dholbach> who can have heads up, squash bugs and whatever
[06:05] <herve> I think teams are important for running projects
[06:05] <herve> because squashing bugs... we already do it
[06:05] <dholbach> i want to fix a date with koke, seb128 and jdub for the MOTUGNOME team
[06:05] <dholbach> and collect ideas
[06:05] <dholbach> and announce them to the public real soon now
[06:06] <dholbach> because poor seb128 is overrun by the amount of bugs
[06:06] <ogra> dholbach, oh, the bugday is missing from the agenda, i'd like to talk about it at the end...
[06:06] <dholbach> ogra: ok, if you'd put it on
[06:06] <dholbach> can you think of stuff we should do to make this process of team building fluent and rocking?
[06:06] <ogra> if mozilla lets me log in without crash ;P
[06:06] <dholbach> :-)
[06:07] <herve> dholbach, what kind of tools?
[06:07] <dholbach> tools in what sense?
[06:07] <dholbach> i already wrote http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTeamHowto, but i'm not sure, if that's all we'd have to do to get going
[06:07] <herve> to assist the work
[06:08] <tseng|work> if you have an idea for a tool
[06:08] <tseng|work> write it up please
[06:08] <dholbach> it'd be lovely if we could drag in the talented, patient and gifted people into the motu team
[06:08] <tseng|work> i am getting pretty good at webapps in php/mysql
[06:08] <tseng|work> and shell scripting
[06:08] <tseng|work> ogra rocks at python
[06:08] <ogra> heh, i'm still learning :)
[06:09] <dholbach> but there are things that each team needs to sort out individually
[06:09] <dholbach> i mean there are loads of tasks, like enhancing, fixing, ...
[06:09] <dholbach> what ideas do you have to get teams going?
[06:09] <dholbach> you can start with the ideas for your team
[06:10] <dholbach> they could serve as a good example for all of them
[06:10] <dholbach> or is it too early/late for a braindump? :-)
[06:10] <ogra> we just do it .... in the mono team
[06:11] <dholbach> don't you plan to "go live", make it public? attract the masses? :-)
[06:11] <herve> ogra stole my words
[06:11] <ogra> but there is no extensive planning, meeting or coordination except what we talk on IRC
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[06:11] <herve> yo \sh!
[06:11] <\sh> just in time
[06:11] <\sh> woke up 3 mins before start
[06:11] <dholbach> from what i know, you could really do with some additional hands on deck, right?
[06:12] <ogra> but mono is a special case, i think with the amount of packages we ont need more then 3 ppl
[06:12] <ogra> but testers ar fine
[06:12] <dholbach> but for fixing? getting new stuff in? the nice and cozy feeling in the team?
[06:12] <ogra> sure, but there are other teams that are in a more worse state
[06:12] <dholbach> of course
[06:13] <ogra> or havent even started to exist
[06:13] <dholbach> i just wanted to ask everybody "as a team member"
[06:13] <dholbach> and collect ideas and plans
[06:13] <dholbach> to make it as easy as possible for everyone
[06:13] <ogra> ure
[06:13] <dholbach> i already wrote http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTeamHowto, but i'm not sure, if that's all we'd have to do
[06:14] <herve> sadly, the python and zope teams don't really exist, so no experience to share here
[06:14] <dholbach> herve: any plans to make it happen?
[06:14] <ogra> yeah, take the lea
[06:14] <ogra> d
[06:15] <herve> I wonder for the need, first
[06:15] <dholbach> there are loads of packages the python team could take care of :-)
[06:15] <dholbach> and steer whatever is to be done
[06:16] <dholbach> we could even divide UniverseCandidates into sections
[06:16] <dholbach> and get stuff in on a team basis
[06:16] <dholbach> ok, if you feel this is the wrong topic or there's nothing to discuss yet, shall we just proceed?
[06:16] <\sh> i think it's a nice idea
[06:16] <\sh> and a good one :)
[06:17] <dholbach> to proceed?
[06:17] <ogra> dholbach, first target should be to get more people in, teams will start to form themselves (see siretart and Burgundavia.... )
[06:18] <dholbach> ogra: of course, but i think we should announce the building of teams on all of our mailing lists with a variety of ideas and plans to attract people and show them a place where they could fit into
[06:18] <herve> dholbach, if we need to coordinate work between doko, ajmitch, d3vic3 and myself, then the team will exist
[06:18] <dholbach> not dicatingly but just to show what's going on
[06:18] <herve> for now, we just handle work as it happens
[06:18] <\sh> ogra: well...I think the most difficult thing is to get the people in anyways. they need to know where they should start
[06:19] <\sh> there r a lot of people working for kde stuff, gnome stuff, but don't bother to take workloads from others..(new packages, fixing packages etc.)
[06:20] <dholbach> i agree with you, \sh 
[06:20] <\sh> to address them we should have things like teams settled down. and yes, right now, everybody takes everything like it comes :) how many motus are there at all :)
[06:20] <dholbach> \sh: just not enough :-)
[06:21] <\sh> i can only speak for me right now, cause I experienced the problems to start with "something". 
[06:21] <ogra> 16 are on the wikipage... but thats not up to date afaik
[06:21] <ogra> \sh, there is always a transition to start with ;)
[06:21] <\sh> "with what do I start? new packages, fixing bugs in packages etc. pp"
[06:21] <ogra> and afterwards you will feel useles... and just form a team :)
[06:21] <\sh> ogra: but not everybody has a nice "pusher" like u :)
[06:21] <dholbach> i think promoting a team spirit would help people a lot
[06:22] <ogra> dholbach, go ahead, i already wrote several mails to the ML about the teams.... the response was always very silent....
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[06:22] <dholbach> ogra: i will
[06:22] <dholbach> ogra: no it isnt
[06:23] <\sh> to explain what i mean: for many people there is no such thing like a "tutoring device" like ogra was for me, or the rest of my experiences in OSS at all
[06:23] <dholbach> but we need visions, plans and ideas to let the message sink into people
[06:23] <ogra> \sh, there is.... 
[06:23] <ogra> \sh, thats what the cannel is for ;)
[06:23] <dholbach> "fix a random bug" - "take care of a random package" is not the warm welcoming feeling we want to give to people
[06:23] <\sh> dholbach: that's what I mean
[06:24] <\sh> and we know all, there r people who r not shy and start working on "something" like ivoks
[06:24] <ogra> many of them come with NEW packages... we should encourage more to go for bugfixes
[06:24] <tseng|work> do people who can fix bugs need a warm feeling?
[06:24] <dholbach> tseng|work: yes they do :-)
[06:24] <ogra> since starting with a NEW package from scratch is not easy...
[06:24] <ogra> tseng|work, dont you ?
[06:25] <tseng|work> i fixed a bug in tcl binding linking in rrdtool
[06:25] <dholbach> to be honest, i didn't want to join the #ubuntu-devel crowd at first, because i was a bit afraid, i "couldnt do it"
[06:25] <tseng|work> i did not feel "warm"
[06:25] <tseng|work> :)
[06:25] <dholbach> and i needed a bit of persuasion :-)
[06:25] <\sh> ogra: e.g. cxx transitions .. i was a little bit scared to try something new for me :) but I'll tried and there r others who r not like me "to try" they need a guiding hand (this is also an idea for a team ;)))
[06:25] <ogra> tseng|work, because you didnt fix it for ubuntu ?
[06:26] <\sh> "the ubuntu work primary school"
[06:26] <ogra> \sh, i dont say teams are bad (in fact i was the creator of the wiki page) i just think it will work by itself...
[06:26] <dholbach> would it help, if we announced "team founding meetings"?
[06:26] <tseng|work> ogra: i fixed it in gentoo.. its not broken in ubuntu atm
[06:27] <ogra> people come in and look for a place.... 
[06:27] <ogra> tseng|work, you see, thats why ;)
[06:27] <tseng|work> k
[06:27] <dholbach> ogra: you're right, it will happen - nobody will be forced into it
[06:27] <ogra> a fixed ubuntu package has a builtin "warm feeing factor"
[06:27] <herve> dholbach, the harder is to make people come into #ubuntu-motu, then we can guide them where appropriate
[06:28] <ogra> dholbach, thats not what i meant...forced :)
[06:28] <dholbach> ogra: of course
[06:28] <dholbach> herve: what do you mean?
[06:29] <herve> nothing special
[06:29] <herve> just to make people involved
[06:29] <herve> not necessarly make them sign in a team
[06:29] <\sh> herve: that is :) one of the problem all projects have
[06:29] <dholbach> ah ok
[06:30] <dholbach> the feeling of "there's something happening" and "people instantly got things done" is what we need to promote
[06:30] <dholbach> and ideas and plans can help with that
[06:30] <dholbach> not everybody fights his way into the python team on day 1
[06:30] <\sh> we need more PR and marketing...buttons, caps, cups, mousepads ;)
[06:30] <dholbach> hahahaaa :-)
[06:31] <dholbach> that's topic 4)
[06:31] <dholbach> ;-)
[06:31] <\sh> well, it sounds funny :)
[06:31] <dholbach> ok, shall we draw a line here?
[06:31] <ogra> yep
[06:31] <dholbach> ok
[06:31] <ogra> you make an announcement ?
[06:31] <dholbach> 2)  current status of things 
[06:31] <herve> \sh, thongs too? :-)
[06:31] <dholbach> herve: yes!!! :-)
[06:31] <ogra> heh
[06:31] <dholbach> ogra: i will take care of it
[06:31] <ogra> yeah, its getting summer
[06:31] <\sh> herve: sure why not for hot MOTU chicks ;)
[06:32] <dholbach> do you feel things in general should change?
[06:32] <dholbach> how do you feel towards ubuntu, motu and the universe atm?
[06:32] <herve> fine!
[06:32] <ogra> i feel very small facing the universe :)
[06:32] <herve> except I'd like malone would be ready
[06:32] <ogra> AND ITS EXPANDING !!
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[06:33] <dholbach> herve: shall we fix a date for another meeting in ... say ... 2 weeks?
[06:33] <ogra> give it time... at least searching works...
[06:33] <dholbach> herve: just to insist on certain items on the list and hear about their status?
[06:33] <herve> dholbach, as you wish, I have no special requirement atm
[06:33] <dholbach> any other opinions?
[06:34] <herve> hmm...
[06:34] <ogra> let brad do his job, i think he has the list and has the prios
[06:34] <dholbach> of course, ogra, i won't be a pain in the neck
[06:34] <ogra> just check it from time to time
[06:34] <herve> ogra, I don't put pressure on him, just share my feeling
[06:34] <dholbach> i think i'll ask bradb to give me a status update in 2 weeks - i'll report to you
[06:35] <dholbach> everybody ok with that?
[06:35] <ogra> 2 weeks
[06:35] <ogra> isnt that the estimated 1.0 release date anyway ?
[06:35] <dholbach> i thought it was a bit later
[06:35] <\sh> one question more: who is in charge to upload anyways? I think we should point out who can be pinged for those things at all. 
[06:35] <\sh> there is little information about this...;)
[06:35] <dholbach> \sh: all motus can
[06:35] <ogra> 6th or 9th of june ? i'm not sure
[06:35] <dholbach> ogra: i'll ask him
[06:35] <ogra> yep
[06:36] <\sh> dholbach: u have an updated list of motus? i could do some update on this page
[06:36] <ogra> dholbach, we have a meeting anyway, after this one ;)
[06:36] <dholbach> \sh's question leads to the next point which is related to 2):    3) feedback on current processes
[06:37] <dholbach> hrmbl i can't seem to be able to open the MOTU wiki page
[06:37] <ogra> heh, get a i386 :)
[06:37] <dholbach> \sh: i think the list is complete
[06:37] <ogra> was herve the last one ?
[06:37] <dholbach> herve and tritium
[06:37] <ogra> oh, sure, there were no TB meetings...
[06:38] <dholbach> "feedback on current processes"
[06:38] <dholbach> we have a lot of processes: NewMotu, NewPackages, MorguePackages, ReviewStuff ... - do you think we need to change stuff?
[06:39] <ogra> i dont like the wiki lists :) (as long as ff doenst allow searching in textinput fields)
[06:39] <herve> I think we need better tools than editing long wiki pages
[06:39] <\sh> I think the "NewPackages" and "ToReview" process via wiki is quite weired
[06:39] <herve> I think this issue is clear :-)
[06:39] <\sh> using malone or bugzilla is making more sense here
[06:39] <dholbach> herve: i think everybody would be delighted to hear plans of you on this one
[06:40] <ogra> probably a task for the zope/python team.... write a list managingt component for zope ;)
[06:40] <herve> I thought of a workflow driven application for reviews
[06:40] <dholbach> me included :-)
[06:40] <dholbach> oh yes
[06:40] <dholbach> that sounds rocking
[06:40] <ogra> isnt malone supposed to be exactly this ?
[06:40] <\sh> tseng said that he was fixing things in gentoo :)
[06:40] <\sh> and new stuff will go into bugzilla (in gentoo)
[06:40] <dholbach> can we open bugs on UNKNOWN stuff?
[06:41] <\sh> will be reviewed by the "devs"
[06:41] <\sh> and after reviewing it goes into the tree
[06:41] <dholbach> we could switch the review-thing over to malone
[06:41] <seb128> don't use a bug tracker for packages reviews
[06:41] <ogra> dholbach, not sure...
[06:41] <dholbach> seb128: we have proposed patches for c++ stuff in bugzilla atm
[06:41] <seb128> the bug flow is important enough
[06:41] <dholbach> seb128: that got me thinking
[06:41] <\sh> so malone/bugzilla is a good way also as workflow engine for reviewing
[06:42] <seb128> dholbach: imho you should really not use a bug tracker for that
[06:42] <\sh> seb128: request tracker can make also sense
[06:42] <seb128> these are not bugs
[06:42] <dholbach> seb128: doesnt debian handle it the same way?
[06:42] <seb128> better to use a mailing list 
[06:42] <seb128> debian use the lists
[06:42] <dholbach> ah ok
[06:42] <dholbach> ubuntu-motu@ was more or less denied
[06:42] <herve> we won't have a mailing list?
[06:43] <dholbach> some folks feel it would be too much of separation
[06:43] <herve> seb128, yeah, "why debian would have *another* wiki engine!" :-)
[06:43] <\sh> well, i would favour more a webtoolized application
[06:43] <dholbach> seb128: mailing lists would be absolutely fine with me
[06:43] <herve> dholbach, but we need offline communication too
[06:43] <herve> I mean, asynchronous
[06:43] <dholbach> a mailing list would be cool for that
[06:44] <dholbach> we'd tell the guys to sign up for <whatever@lists.ubuntu.com> to get their review status
[06:44] <ogra> hmm, why not web driven...
[06:44] <dholbach> because it would need another bit of code that's not there yet
[06:44] <ogra> just with a usable tool instead of a wiki....
[06:44] <herve> ogra, it could be web driven with notifications in a list, rss, etc.
[06:44] <seb128> dholbach: debian has http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp too
[06:44] <\sh> RT
[06:45] <ogra> herve, yep, thats what i thought of
[06:45] <dholbach> seb128: that's what i meant
[06:45] <Kamion> bugs.debian.org/wnpp is a bad hack
[06:45] <\sh> http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/
[06:45] <seb128> dholbach: but the BTS doesn't handle the bugs the same way as bugzilla, ie: they is not list of bugs with that on the middle
[06:45] <Kamion> it works, but it creaks
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[06:46] <herve> Kamion, only the result counts ;)-
[06:46] <dholbach> Kamion: do you think a mailing list for package reviews (maybe on a yet-to-com MOTU lists) would be more feasible?
[06:46] <\sh> a normal request tracker can do the work....email communication support, web driven, too and easy to adjust to send out jabber messages
[06:46] <Kamion> sure, but if you're implementing something new you should learn from previous mistakes
[06:46] <Kamion> dholbach: I don't really have an opinion, just replying to the debbugs thing
[06:46] <seb128> dholbach: my concern is that bugs are not going to be handled on the middle of the bug flox
[06:46] <seb128> flow
[06:46] <dholbach> Kamion: ok
[06:47] <Kamion> dholbach: (I'm not really here) it seems reasonable though
[06:47] <dholbach> :-)
[06:47] <\sh> well, i think the problem is what priority has "new packages and/or reviewing (bugfixed packages)" 
[06:47] <ogra> there are hundrets of webdriven ticketsystems....
[06:47] <seb128> dholbach: if you want to be efficient on package review you need a way to make the distinction clear
[06:47] <dholbach> ok, i can make another call on the MOTU list topic and add the need for review stuff (maybe only as an interim solution)
[06:47] <herve> do someone listens to \sh's idea? :-)
[06:48] <\sh> ogra: I used an example i'd use in the past
[06:48] <dholbach> \sh: a high one
[06:48] <ogra> \sh, both have high prio
[06:48] <dholbach> seb128: i absolutely see your point
[06:49] <dholbach> ok... how do you feel towards a mailing list until we have a webticket-system?
[06:50] <dholbach> or review traffic on a mailing list
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[06:50] <herve> but reviewing bugfixes occurs when a bug has patch included?
[06:50] <\sh> ok...thats cleared and are there any "review rules" at all, how the debian/ directory should be structurized? i mean, packaging is one thing, reviewing the other, it needs more wisdom to review then to package ;)
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[06:50] <Kamion> fwiw, elmo already uses RT internally for admin, I imagine it wouldn't be hard to set up another instance
[06:50] <dholbach> \sh: i started ReviewingTips on the wiki, but it's far from complete
[06:50] <ogra> \sh, there are rules.... un the NM guide
[06:50] <ogra> in even
[06:50] <Kamion> not that I'm volunteering other people's time or anything
[06:51] <ogra> Kamion, RT, cool
[06:51] <herve> ogra, and debian policy I guess? 
[06:51] <ogra> yep
[06:51] <Mithrandir> Kamion: setting up multiple queues is trivial.
[06:51] <\sh> Kamion: it's a nice tool, and u need only one instance of RT to support different queues
[06:51] <Kamion> \sh: that depends on firewall policy
[06:51] <Kamion> the world cannot access @admins.warthogs.hbd.com, not even sure if they can get at that machine
[06:52] <ogra> but setting up a world reachable one should be possible
[06:52] <\sh> ok...there r policies outside the ubuntu space :) so we should make them as "standard reading" for newbies :)
[06:52] <dholbach> i can investigate on that one, if you like the plan as a whole
[06:52] <dholbach> the RT one, that is
[06:52] <\sh> Kamion: ah I see right, i didn't know the infrastructure behind it
[06:52] <ogra> \sh, rather help tseng writing the MOTU book ;)
[06:53] <ogra> dholbach, RT is perfectlya what we need....
[06:53] <\sh> ogra: :)
[06:53] <dholbach> alright, i put it on my todo list
[06:53] <ogra> dholbach, its a workflow dedicated ticket system
[06:53] <dholbach> ok... do you feel there are any other processes we need to tweak or make comprehensible?
[06:53] <\sh> "once there was a time, when the MOTUs came out of the dark, into the light...more then 1000 years last the piece in the Ubuntu Universe and the Masters are not tired to..." 
[06:54] <ogra> \sh, yeah
[06:54] <dholbach> :-)
[06:54] <\sh> you see, I watched "Star Wars III" yesterday ;)
[06:54] <ogra> ok, can we move on, dholbach and me have another meeting afterwards :)
[06:54] <ogra> (in ~10mins)
[06:55] <dholbach> arg
[06:55] <dholbach> ff crashed again
[06:55] <ogra> welcome to the club :)
[06:55] <dholbach> t-shirts was the next?
[06:55] <ogra> yep
[06:55] <\sh> t-shirts, thongs and 1 litre coffee mugs
[06:55] <dholbach> shall i send a mail to the whole crew where we call for other alternatives to the one design we have?
[06:55] <ogra> i liked burgundavias design... (havent got the url)
[06:56] <\sh> what design?
[06:56] <herve> yes, I'd like to see it again
[06:56] <ogra> \sh, i think he created a wikipage with it
[06:56] <dholbach> ok... i will ping burgundavia about it again :-)
[06:57] <\sh> It should make a nice flat stomach and it must be something like spiderman ;)
[06:57] <dholbach> we should really make the t-shirt happen :-)
[06:57] <ogra> yep
[06:57] <herve> about merchandising
[06:57] <dholbach> herve: hm?
[06:57] <\sh> well...but a tshirt 
[06:57] <herve> I want you to know french pay quite much for buying stuff in the usa
[06:57] <herve> customs and the like
[06:58] <\sh> i would propose something like a "fedora" (c) by redhat
[06:58] <\sh> that was really a difference to other linux competitors 
[06:58] <herve> and we may not be an exception :-)
[06:58] <dholbach> herve: sabdfl offered the t-shirt shipping to the MOTU club - i will ask him, if he still likes the idea, when we have agreed on a design :-)
[06:58] <herve> cool then :-)
[06:59] <dholbach> ok, i will summon up burgundavia again and ask everybody if we there are additional ideas on it
[06:59] <herve> coo... er? I don't know if it could include customs taxes
[06:59] <dholbach> ogra: want to to introduce us to the fly flap day?
[06:59] <ogra> yeah....
[06:59] <herve> dholbach, about just the logo or some sentence on it?
[06:59] <herve> animal crualty!
[07:00] <ogra> THE UBUNTU FlyFlapDay !
[07:00] <dholbach> herve: all of it :-)
[07:00] <ogra> its a weekly summit where everybody iun the community shall help fixing bugs
[07:00] <herve> well, it's just a bugfix sprint I guess :-)
[07:00] <\sh> ogra: hmm?
[07:00] <ogra> but it shall not be just another bugday
[07:01] <ogra> we want to categorize bugs by the skill level you need to fix them
[07:01] <ogra> there will be three categoies...
[07:01] <ogra> 1. community bugs
[07:01] <ogra> thats for the new kids on the block, that wna to help out or..
[07:02] <dholbach> hahahaa.... :-)
[07:02] <ogra> just want to see their favorite bugs fixed
[07:02] <ogra> (trivial ones though)
[07:02] <ogra> the second category shall be MOTU bugs
[07:02] <\sh> "new kids?" what about me? "old farts"?
[07:02] <\sh> anyway ;) 
[07:02] <ogra> bugs hwere you need a decent skill level or have to know the basics of packaging etc
[07:03] <ogra> the third part are the normal distro bugs tat are fixed by the distro team
[07:03] <ogra> we will have a special bug channel for this and i'll write weekly announcements
=== dholbach hugs ogra :-)
[07:04] <herve> aren't we fly flapping everyday? :-)
[07:04] <\sh> hmm....what about upstream bugs? are they included in 3)
[07:04] <dholbach> herve: publicity! :-)
[07:04] <ogra> the bugs will be listed on a wikipage ?? (or RT) 
[07:04] <ogra> once a month we will do something special...
[07:05] <ogra> the community has to vote for the BOTM
[07:05] <\sh> ogra: wiki is here ok...cause RT needs special perms for resolving/closing
[07:05] <\sh> ogra: and the bug itself should be in malone 
[07:05] <ogra> \sh, its not about resolving/closing
[07:05] <ogra> just about tracking the work thats been done for the voting
[07:05] <\sh> ogra: that was for RT :)
[07:05] <\sh> oh ok..then RT
[07:06] <\sh> RT++
[07:06] <ogra> ok, the BOTM will recieve merchandise of any kind from ubuntu, this is backed by canonical....
[07:07] <\sh> what if one guy/gal will be every weeks no. 1?
[07:07] <dholbach> ogra: what will we have to do? categorize those bugs? do we need to feed lists in a yet-to-have RT?
[07:07] <ogra> (i also try to alk with mark about electing a BOTY who gets free sponsoring for a conference, but that may be to expensive)
[07:07] <ogra> dholbach, i asked kiko about a special field in bugzilla/malone
[07:08] <dholbach> and what about the categorizing stuff?
[07:08] <dholbach> B = bug or bugsquasher?
[07:09] <ogra> Bugfixer Of The Month
[07:09] <dholbach> ok
[07:09] <ogra> Bugfixer Of The Year
[07:09] <dholbach> just to clarify :-)
[07:09] <herve> dholbach, we're not sending merchandise to a bug :-)
[07:09] <ogra> heh
[07:09] <dholbach> ogra: ok, but what about the categorizing?
[07:09] <dholbach> who will do it?
[07:10] <ogra> dholbach, but anyway, we'll have to do the categorizing by ourselves.... i think this should happen while we do the first review of a bug
[07:10] <dholbach> ah ok
[07:10] <ogra> (i.e. while you are looking for duplicates etc)
[07:10] <dholbach> ah ok
[07:10] <ogra> since you have to touch it anyway
[07:10] <dholbach> i like the idea very much
[07:11] <\sh> and it can be quite good to encourage people to work for motu at all
[07:11] <ogra> its very important to involve the community here .... so they get in tight contact with their devs
[07:11] <ogra> and they are the ones that vote the BOTM
[07:11] <dholbach> yes
[07:11] <ogra> so both rely on each other :)
[07:11] <dholbach> rocking! :)
[07:12] <ogra> ok, thats the fly flap day :) you'll see the first announcement soon ...
[07:12] <dholbach> i will not include this in the wrapup on the list
[07:12] <\sh> and it's possible to encourage some local UGs to have meetings at these special days ;)
[07:12] <dholbach> just drop a FlyFlapDay somewhere, to make people curious :)
[07:12] <ogra> yeah
[07:13] <dholbach> maybe it should be wiki.ubnutu.com/NoNameYet  ;)
[07:13] <\sh> TheFreezer ;)
[07:13] <ogra> fridge
[07:13] <\sh> nono
[07:13] <\sh> fridge is news site
[07:13] <\sh> freezer is more scary ;)
[07:13] <dholbach> ok... shall we now fix a new date and time?
[07:14] <ogra> yep
[07:14] <dholbach> 3 weeks from now?
[07:14] <ogra> four weeks ? or do we need something earlier ?
[07:14] <ogra> heh
[07:14] <dholbach> maybe a different time?
[07:14] <dholbach> to make sure our australian/.nz friends are here?
[07:14] <\sh> 4 weeks should be ok, or?
[07:15] <ogra> dholbach, so 5h later ? 
[07:15] <ogra> or 6
[07:15] <dholbach> that's 24:00 for us :-)
[07:15] <ogra> yep
[07:15] <dholbach> ok
[07:15] <dholbach> 19.06.05 22:00 UTC
[07:15] <ogra> oki
[07:16] <dholbach> could somebody with a not-upgraded firefox do that? ;-)
[07:16] <dholbach> PLEASE :-)
[07:16] <ogra> i'll do it from the other machine
[07:16] <dholbach> on MOTUMeeting and Calendar :-)
[07:16] <dholbach> kthxbye
=== dholbach hugs ogra again
[07:16] <ogra> (later.... lets meet salgado)
=== ogra hugs dholbach too
[07:16] <\sh> ok...thx for the meeting
[07:16] <dholbach> thanks for joining us, herve, \sh and tseng|work :-)
[07:17] <ogra> yeah
[07:17] <\sh> cu around :) 
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