[12:26] <tseng> so.. how do I make my X start again
[12:26] <tseng> i have no fixed font
[12:26] <tseng> pretty suck
[12:34] <ajmitch> morning
[12:34] <tseng> hi
[12:41] <doko> ajmitch: you can upload C++ library packages now
[12:49] <ajmitch> great, I'll still put patches up on bugzilla, right?
[12:50] <ajmitch> looks like there's a few issues with apps needing recompiled
[12:50] <tseng> blam is using c++
[12:50] <ajmitch> or they just weren't changed properly :)
[12:50] <tseng> not sure what im supposed to do with it
[12:54] <ajmitch> doko: unixodbc-bin still depends on libodbcinstq1
[12:55] <doko> ajmitch, hmm, will look
[01:13] <tseng> wow the menu editor rocks
[01:23] <Amaranth> tseng: the one in gnome-menus?
[01:23] <tseng> yes
[01:23] <tseng> its so simple
[01:24] <Amaranth> any way to get the new one without logging out? :)
[01:24] <tseng> beats me
[01:24] <Amaranth> brb then
[01:24] <tseng> killall gnome-panel?
[01:24] <tseng> heh
[01:24] <tseng> ogra: monodevelop worksforme
[01:24] <tseng> ogra: you?
[01:25] <ogra> hmm, havent upgraded all the day...
[01:25] <Amaranth> hmm, it didn't update
[01:26] <ogra> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/monodevelop/
[01:26] <ogra> nope, it didnt build...
[01:26] <Amaranth> ha, that's a lot like my new UI :)
[01:26] <Amaranth> i guess we worked off the same doodle
[01:29] <Amaranth> ogra: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg0.6.png
[01:29] <Amaranth> i like mine better :)
[01:32] <tseng> dude its the same thing
[01:33] <Amaranth> err, yeah, that was too you
[01:33] <tseng> but with andyfitzisms
[01:33] <Amaranth> to
[01:33] <ogra> meh, why does it build depend on mozilla ?
[01:33] <tseng> i fixed that here
[01:33] <Amaranth> andyfitzisms?
[01:33] <tseng> havent uploaded yet
[01:33] <tseng> Amaranth: the icons?
[01:33] <tseng> from andyfitz
[01:34] <Amaranth> oh, that's the icon theme on my machine
[01:34] <Amaranth> it uses whatever theme you use
[01:35] <Amaranth> hmm, the one in gnome-menus only allows you to hide/show entries
[01:43] <ogra> hmm, it crashes
[01:44] <tseng> wow, silly amd64
[01:46] <ogra> hmm, but it knows python syntaxhighlighting :)
[01:54] <ogra> tseng, seems it runs stable now...
[01:55] <tseng> did you change something?
[01:55] <ogra> no crash since i started it the secondtime... i can open and save files etc
[01:55] <ogra> nope
[01:55] <tseng> ok :(
[01:56] <ogra> i suspect ff its pretty bad on amd64 currently
[01:57] <ogra> hmm, it cant highlight Makefiles
[01:57] <ogra> heh, thats funny, if i open a shellscript it gets opened in gvim
[01:58] <ogra> (from the monodevelop filebrowser)
[05:13] <JDahl> I packaged up a python packaged I'm working on, and a "dpkg --info" tells me: "Depends: atlas3-base | lapack3 | liblapack.so.3, atlas3-base | refblas3 | libblas.so.3, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libumfpack4 (>= 4.3-5), glpk", where all except glpk are found automatically by dpkg-buildpackage. But when I apt-get install the package, only glpk is automatically installed: do I need to explicitly list all those dependencies on t
[05:13] <JDahl> he "Depends:" line in the control file?
[05:26] <minghua> Hi, I've got a problem for c++ transition of arpack++
[05:26] <minghua> In configure I get:
[05:26] <minghua> checking how to run the C preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[05:26] <minghua> configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[05:26] <minghua> See `config.log' for more details.
[05:26] <minghua> make: *** [build]  Error 1
[05:26] <minghua> and /lib/cpp is a symlink to /usr/bin/cpp-4.0
[05:27] <minghua> nothing seems related in config.log, the last lines:
[05:27] <minghua> #ifdef __cplusplus
[05:27] <minghua> extern "C" void std::exit (int) throw (); using std::exit;
[05:27] <minghua> configure: exit 1
[09:31] <ivoks> anyone here? :)
[09:32] <Burgundavia> nope, were all dead
[09:32] <ivoks> :)
[09:32] <Burgundavia> the european guys are just waking up now
[09:33] <ivoks> i have on tiny problem :)
[09:33] <ivoks> could you help me?
[09:33] <Burgundavia> probably not, but shoot
[09:33] <ivoks> when i change changelog with dch -i -Dbreezy
[09:33] <ivoks> it puts an email as a signature
[09:34] <ivoks> it was working fine, but now it puts ivoks@localhost.localdomain
[09:34] <ivoks> would you know how to change that?
[09:36] <ivoks> ah..
[09:36] <ivoks> that's enviorment variable
[09:36] <Treenaks> ivoks: /etc/mailname?
[09:36] <ivoks> or
[09:36] <ivoks> export EMAIL='ivoks@grad.hr'
[09:37] <ivoks> that should work too
[09:38] <ivoks> yes, it works :)
[09:39] <ivoks> i replaced bash with zsh, so i lost all my env. variables
[09:39] <Burgundavia> you can add DEBEMAIL or something similar, but I forget the exact varible
[09:39] <ivoks> DEBEMAIL
[09:40] <ivoks> and DEBFULLNAME
[09:40] <Burgundavia> ya
[09:40] <ivoks> man dch says it all :)
[09:45] <ivoks> terminus is really nice font
[09:46] <ivoks> ok, see you guys..
[10:07] <\sh> morning
[10:08] <dahane> morning
[11:02] <doko> ivoks, ogra, how are the C++ uploads going, or who cares about them?
[11:02] <Treenaks> dholbach ?
[12:50] <ogra_d> doko
[12:50] <ogra_d> ping
[12:50] <doko> pong
[12:51] <ogra_d> you said varconf misses a build depends on libsigc++-1.2-dev...
[12:51] <ogra_d> but thats there
[12:51] <ajmitch> hi doko, ogra_d
[12:51] <ogra_d> hey ajmitch
[12:51] <doko> is the build-dep tightened to the first version compiled for the new ABI?
[12:51] <ogra_d> doko, btw, the rest of my day is donated to the libs :)
[12:52] <ogra_d> ah, ok
[12:52] <\sh> re
[12:52] <ogra_d> that might be it
[12:52] <doko> yes, we need that for the buildd's
[12:52] <\sh> bad day for me
[12:52] <ogra_d> oki
[12:54] <\sh> ogra_d: I had a nice fight this morning at 5:45 with duke ;)
[12:54] <ogra_d> heh
[12:54] <ogra_d> duke is funny
[12:55] <doko> ajmitch: libcommoncpp2, please just drop c102, don't add the c2
[12:55] <\sh> ogra_d: and i had a nice chat with guenther
[12:55] <ajmitch> doko: ah, sorry, that was 1st one I did :)
[12:55] <doko> ajmitch: and I don't see a bug report for it
[12:56] <doko> ajmitch: libccrtp: in the changelog, say what you did change, bug report is missing (I know, your second package ;)
[12:57] <ajmitch> yes, I thought I'd fixed all the changelogs, obviously not :)
[12:57] <\sh> hmmm...how do i use debdiff?
[12:58] <ajmitch> debdiff package1.dsc package2.dsc
[12:59] <\sh> and i was playing with source dirs
[01:18] <\sh> hmmm...can someone check if I made everything allright for the bug report? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10957
[01:21] <ogra> \sh, the lib binary could need a Provides
[01:22] <\sh> Provides: libqssl2 should do it, right?
[01:22] <ogra> yep
[01:22] <ogra> err
[01:22] <\sh> or should i use Provides: libqssl so it fits for 1 and 2
[01:22] <ogra> c102
[01:23] <\sh> sure :)
[01:23] <\sh> thx
[01:23] <ogra> no just let the packaging system know that it finds the old named lib in this package
[01:25] <\sh> done
[01:25] <\sh> what would be really nice, to have a jabber component for bugzilla and malone ;) reporting bugs via jabber and informing the devs via jabber about new bugs for their packages
[01:26] <ogra> its planned... but dont expect it for 1.0
[01:26] <\sh> I think bugzilla has already a jabber component...
[01:38] <ogra_d> meh, doko
[01:38] <ogra_d> ?
[01:39] <doko> ogra_d: please no provides for renamed library packages. we WANT to conflict old and new packages
[01:39] <ogra_d> libclutils0-dev is not installable....
[01:39] <ogra_d> okay
[01:40] <ogra_d> or rather its empty, my pbuilder doenst find it....
[01:40] <ogra_d> but its installed
[01:44] <\sh> shit
[01:44] <\sh> i made a mistake
[01:44] <ogra_d> \sh, nobody is perfect (seee above ;) )
[01:46] <\sh> ogra_d: but a really nasty one...i forgot the libfile ;)
[01:46] <\sh> doko: ah..so i will remove also my provides line ;)
[01:46] <\sh> doko: but Replaces: is fine?
[01:46] <doko> which package?
[01:47] <\sh> libqssl
[01:47] <\sh> libqssl2c102
[01:47] <doko> source package?
[01:47] <\sh> qssl
[01:47] <ogra_d> checking for isClutils in -lclutils... no
[01:47] <doko> \sh, where's the bug report?
[01:47] <\sh> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10957
[01:48] <\sh> doko: but w8 a moment :) i'll update the debdiff
[01:49] <\sh> ok..u can check now
[01:52] <doko> missing conflict to the old lib
[01:52] <\sh> see...;)
[01:54] <\sh> new debdiff attached
[01:54] <doko> tighten the build-dep on libqt3-mt-dev
[01:55] <doko> (and mark the attachment as patches)
[01:56] <\sh> doko: what do u mean with "tighten"? is libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3.1.1-1) not right?
[01:56] <\sh> doko: k
[01:57] <doko> look at the library list, all deps on C++ libs have to be tightened to the first version with the new ABI
[01:59] <\sh> u mean: if 3.3.3-7 is the first new ABI version I should change build-deps to libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3.3.3-7)
[01:59] <\sh> or 3.3.3-7ubuntu5
[02:00] <doko> yes, the latter
[02:00] <ogra> doko, any idea about libclutils ?
[02:00] <\sh> k...thx
[02:00] <doko> that's why we keep the version information in the table
[02:01] <doko> ogra: the one in the archive?
[02:01] <ogra> it gets installed in the pbuilder.... but the configure doesnt find it...
[02:01] <ogra> if i log in and install it manually, all files are where they belong
[02:02] <doko> 20031216-5 ?
[02:02] <ogra> yep
[02:02] <ogra_d> configure: error: Could not find a workable libclutils.so or libclutils.a.
[02:02] <ogra_d>     You probably need to install clutils and/or specify the location of
[02:02] <ogra_d>     it with the --with-clutils option.
[02:03] <ogra> both are there
[02:04] <\sh> ok..done
[02:05] <doko> ogra: no information in config.log?
[02:07] <ogra> hmm, how do i get the config.log from a pbuilder that failed ?
[02:07] <ogra> again even
[02:08] <\sh> ogra: there is a switch to force not to delete the temp files after build
[02:11] <\sh> --preserve-buildplace
[02:11] <doko> ogra: hmm, YES, exactly that option
[02:12] <\sh> no...
[02:12] <\sh> or?
[02:12] <ogra> hmm, but anyway, it builds fine outside the pbuilder
[02:12] <\sh> This  is useful if you want to attempt to build a large number of packages successively, but you expect that many of them cannot have their build
[02:12] <\sh>               dependencies satisfied.
[02:12] <\sh>               It will clean up the build place on failure, or after a successful build.
[02:14] <\sh> ok second cxx qt package finished
[02:16] <\sh> ogra: hmmm..one apt-get miss update in the pbuilder chroot?
[02:16] <ogra_d> i don an update before every build
[02:17] <ogra_d> -n
[02:26] <\sh> ogra_d: hmmm...additional source in your chroot and not in pbuilder? dokos repos eventually? :)
[02:26] <\sh> anyways...started this day at 5:30am now it's time to go home
[02:27] <ogra> \sh, i dont use a chroot, just a plain pbuilder with main and universe sources
[02:27] <\sh> ogra: hmmm...confusing just like ogra and ogra_d ;-9
[02:28] <\sh> bbl gents...going home
[02:30] <doko> \sh, bye
[03:13] <\sh> at least at home
[04:31] <ogra_d> doko, can i leave tyvis for you ? i have no idea what to do here and --preserve-buildplace doeosnt help at all, since it removes the tree on error or breakage... locally it builds fine
[04:33] <doko> ogra_d: ok
[04:35] <ogra_d> doko, thanks :)
[04:36] <ogra_d> doko, whats the exchange rate for this 2:1, or higher ? ;)
[04:38] <ogra_d> meh, libsigcx-gtk-0.6-dev is boken....
[04:44] <HiddenWolf> guys, is any of you aware of some utility that allows you to snap programs to a grid?
[04:46] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: if you hold shift while moving it snaps to other edges
[04:47] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, I just got myself a 1920x1200 monitor, and I'm looking for a way to keep my programs where I want them.
[04:48] <HiddenWolf> shift might just do the trick. :)
[04:49] <HiddenWolf> It'd be neat if you could 'partition' your desktop, and lock a program to a partition, tho.
[04:52] <Shufla> hi. is there guideline for importing sid packages to hoary/breezy? [package is made for sid, but it is not avaiable in debian] 
[04:52] <ogra> recompile it in breezy
[04:53] <Shufla> ogra: ah. but there are some tweaks needed in debian/ dir. ok. i'll go thru debian packagers documentation, thanks.
[04:57] <herve> motu meeting?
[04:59] <ogra> oops
[04:59] <ogra> youre right
[05:00] <ogra> in 1h
[05:00] <herve> we're gmt+2... *headache*
[05:02] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: apt-get install devilspie
[05:13] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, you rule
[05:13] <Lathiat> :)
[05:14] <HiddenWolf> ugh. I'll need to google for that
[05:14] <HiddenWolf> It's pretty much useless at default. :P
[05:35] <dholbach> hellas!
[05:43] <herve> heya dholbach!
[05:43] <dholbach> hey herve!
[05:52] <dholbach> hey bradb :-)
[05:52] <dholbach> bradb: who would i have to bother for "add a mail adress to a team"?
[05:54] <dholbach> could everybody have a look at wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting and add their favorite topic to it?
[05:55] <herve> that's how I saw there is a meeting coming :-)
[05:56] <dholbach> :-)))
[05:56] <herve> thanks for the reminder!
[05:56] <dholbach> de rien :-)
[05:56] <bradb> dholbach: hi
[05:57] <dholbach> hey bradb, how are you?
[05:57] <bradb> good thanks, you? :)
[05:57] <dholbach> i'm alright, thanks :-)
[05:58] <dholbach> bradb: who would i have to bother for "add a mail adress to a team"? :-)
[05:58] <dholbach> who takes care of the "people" section
[05:58] <bradb> dholbach: salgado's the man
[05:59] <dholbach> ahh, ok
[05:59] <dholbach> i'll bother him next :-)
[05:59] <bradb> hang on
[05:59] <bradb> perhaps i'll summon him onto the channel
[05:59] <dholbach> erm, we have motu meeting next
[05:59] <ogra> dholbach, i dont think we need a team mailadress
[05:59] <dholbach> yes we do
[06:00] <ogra> rather mail all the team members, the adresses are in the stack
[06:00] <dholbach> i want to have bugs go to desktop-bugs@ for example
[06:00] <ogra> its nonsense to have a extra mailing list you have to maintain
[06:00] <dholbach> you don't have to maintain it
[06:00] <ogra> someone has
[06:00] <dholbach> and jdub, seb128 and i just arranged one for desktop-bugs@
[06:00] <ogra> hmm...
[06:00] <ogra> k
[06:01] <dholbach> ok... i think we have a meeting now
[06:01] <ogra> yep
[06:01] <dholbach> #ubuntu-meeting
[06:02] <ogra> guys, join #ubuntu-meeting
[06:03] <salgado> hi there!
[06:03] <herve> hi
[06:04] <bradb> doh, you guys just started a meeting didn't you :P
[06:04] <ogra> yep
[06:04] <bradb> dholbach, ogra, salgado: if you can't discuss your questions right now about setting up your team, perhaps you could note a time a bit later when you can help to get things sorted for MOTU team config?
[06:05] <salgado> I'm going for lunch now. will be back in 1h or so
[06:05] <ogra> salgado, in an hour ?
[06:05] <ogra> heh
[06:05] <ogra> great
[06:05] <salgado> ogra, perfect
[06:06] <tseng|work> hey salgado
[06:06] <tseng|work> oh.
[06:42] <dholbach> salgado-lunch: we we're just wondering, if we could have a mail-adress for teams - so the bugs assigned to a team could go to a mailing list or something
[06:44] <ogra> dholbach, we'll meet in 30min
[06:44] <dholbach> ogra, salgado-lunch: ok
[07:05] <ivoks> ola :)
[07:05] <dholbach> we're still in #ubuntu-meeting :-)
[07:06] <herve> hi ivoks
[07:06] <dholbach> hi ivoks :)
[07:07] <herve> me first :-p
[07:16] <ogra> salgado, we hurried :)
[07:17] <\sh> hah back to normal work ;)
[07:17] <\sh> lemme check for cxx stuff
[07:17] <ivoks> hi all
[07:17] <ivoks> :)
[07:17] <salgado> ogra, so, the problem is just adding an email address to teams?
[07:18] <ivoks> oh, what fun i have, salvage files from dead disk :)
[07:18] <ivoks> ogra: here? ready for some uploading?
[07:18] <dholbach> salgado: and adding teams more easily
[07:18] <dholbach> salgado: i just wondered if somebody was working on it - bradb seems to have just dragged you in here :-)
[07:19] <salgado> dholbach, by more easily you mean, having a link to it?
[07:19] <dholbach> yes
[07:19] <ogra> salgado, thats dholbachs problem... i would be happy if a bug sent a mail to all team members ;)
[07:19] <dholbach> or to a mailing list for the team :-)
[07:19] <ogra> (as long as its assigned to the team)
[07:19] <dholbach> yes
[07:19] <salgado> so, let's start from the beginning
[07:19] <salgado> the problem of team creation:
[07:20] <salgado> we used to have a link on you "actions" portlet, in foaf, to create new teams
[07:20] <salgado> but that doesn't make sense to most of the users, so we removed it
[07:20] <salgado> most of the users will never create a new team
[07:20] <dholbach> ok, i can see your point there
[07:20] <salgado> ideally, a team would be created when you want to reassign a product/package
[07:21] <dholbach> i should just describe the procedure on the wiki
[07:22] <salgado> (we don't have reassignment working yet, but when we do, it'll be possible to create new teams when reassigning anything)
[07:22] <ogra> salgado, but that doesnt give us mails...
[07:22] <salgado> now, about the emails
[07:22] <dholbach> emails! :-)
[07:22] <salgado> there's a spec on that. I'm working on it right now and you can already add a contact email to a team
[07:22] <dholbach> oh... i tried it some minutes ago
[07:23] <dholbach> let me have a look again
[07:23] <salgado> when this spec is completely implemented, we'll follow these rules when mailing teams:
[07:23] <salgado> dholbach, is not yet in production
[07:23] <dholbach> ahhhh ok
[07:23] <dholbach> but good to know, thanks for that, salgado  :-)
[07:23] <salgado> 1. if a team has a contact email address, all emails directed to that team will go to that email
[07:23] <salgado> 2. if there's no contact email address, we mail all members of that team
[07:24] <ogra> yay
[07:24] <salgado> do you guys think this is reasonable?
[07:24] <ogra> yep, absoultely perfect
[07:24] <salgado> great.
[07:24] <dholbach> salgado: if you tell the user what's going on, it's absolutely perfect and just what we need
[07:24] <dholbach> s/user/team leader/
[07:24] <ogra> salgado, could we have
[07:24] <dholbach> rocking
[07:24] <salgado> dholbach, yeas, this will be clear when you create a team
[07:24] <ogra> 3. both
[07:25] <ogra> (on demand indeed)
[07:25] <salgado> ogra, you mean, mailing the contact email and all members?
[07:25] <ogra> yep
[07:25] <salgado> do you have a use case for that?
[07:26] <ogra> i.e. i have a team where not all members are subscribed to the ML dholbach wants to send his bugreports to, the this would be a fine addon
[07:27] <ogra> (its not really necessary though...)
[07:27] <salgado> ogra, ok, I'll add this to the spec (as an unresolved issue for now), and I'll keep you informed about what we decided on that
[07:27] <salgado> ok?
[07:27] <dholbach> cool
[07:27] <ogra> yep... put it on low priority... 1. and 2. are just fine
[07:27] <dholbach> thanks salgado
[07:28] <salgado> I'd say that's easier to request that user to subscribe to the mailing list. but maybe I'm wrong
[07:28] <ogra> yeah, thanks for your time salgado :)
[07:28] <salgado> dholbach, ogra. no problem.
[07:28] <salgado> http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20010805.html
[07:28] <salgado> I just saw that page and asked myself: "wtf am I doing here?" :P
[07:28] <ogra> salgado, i'd prefer the variant without ML at all (2.) :)
[07:28] <dholbach> :-)
[07:29] <ogra> lol
[07:29] <ogra> thats a good page...
[07:30] <salgado> yeah. the first header is the best advice one can give. :)
[07:30] <ogra> salgado, so you should travel more to look over some sholders ;)
[07:30] <dholbach> salgado: yeah, be sure to ping me, when you hit germany :-)
[07:31] <tseng|work> hi'
[07:31] <salgado> cool. I'll do that for sure. the same for you guys when in Brazil
[07:31] <ogra> yay
[07:31] <siretart> hi
[07:31] <ogra> hey siretart
[07:32] <ogra> you missed the motu meeting :)
[07:32] <dholbach> woohoo!
[07:32] <siretart> say, I fixed a package, and needed your advice. The bug was in an aclocal makro file. Therefore I had to rerun aclocal, automake and autoconf
[07:32] <siretart> this bloated my *.diff.gz. is this ok?
[07:33] <tseng|work> yes
[07:33] <siretart> it the tpb package, the dependency of libxosd was removed because of that breakage
[07:33] <siretart> ok
[07:33] <dholbach> siretart: yes, absolutely until there's an upstream fix
[07:33] <ogra> hmm, what about running the autotools at build time triggered by a patch ?
[07:34] <siretart> ok, then I'll upload the package for review
[07:34] <ogra> hey chiefofthejojos
[07:34] <siretart> ogra: whats the advantage of that? in my experience, this aclocal/automake stuff is quite fragile when changing versions
[07:34] <chiefofthejojos> hi
[07:37] <ogra> chiefofthejojos nice to see you here :)(
[07:37] <dholbach> hey chiefofthejojos
[07:37] <ogra> siretart, you sounded worried of the size ;)
[07:37] <\sh> ogra: run autotools inside a dpatch-edit-patch ;)
[07:37] <siretart> ogra: hehe. but FTBFS make my worrying even more ;)
[07:37] <\sh> thats what i did with mysql-query-browser and it was proposed by dholbach?
[07:38] <\sh> or herve?
[07:38] <\sh> i don't know anymore ;)
[07:38] <chiefofthejojos> you guys make it sound so easy.  When I was reading on the website how to become a MOTU it seemed difficult to do
[07:38] <chiefofthejojos> thanks :)
[07:38] <dholbach> ogra: that's a no-go, i got flamed for the idea at least 3 times now ;-)
[07:38] <dholbach> ogra: ask on #ubuntu-devel and let me watch ;-)))
[07:38] <dholbach> chiefofthejojos: did you hear of the MOTU crew before?
[07:38] <dholbach> chiefofthejojos: difficult?
[07:38] <chiefofthejojos> before what?
[07:38] <dholbach> the formal process sounds difficult because it has several steps of several things to "tick off" on the list
[07:38] <chiefofthejojos> yeah, that's what I mean
[07:38] <chiefofthejojos> but it sounds so easy when you guys told me to go to bugzilla.ubuntu.com and fix bugs
[07:38] <dholbach> it's easy :-)
[07:38] <chiefofthejojos> :D
[07:38] <dholbach> it all comes with time
[07:38] <dholbach> if you really like to start fixing stuff or learn packaging - that's all you need first
[07:39] <dholbach> the wish and ... patience maybe :-)
[07:39] <ivoks> there goes ogra :(
[07:39] <chiefofthejojos> hehe, I'm sure
[07:39] <ivoks> and I just wanted to talk to him :((
[07:39] <dholbach> ivoks: he'll be back :-)
[07:39] <ivoks> ;....(
[07:39] <ivoks> :))
[07:39] <ogra_d> hmm
[07:39] <chiefofthejojos> I definitely have a wish, thanks for taking the time to explain to me dholbach
[07:39] <ogra_d> strange
[07:39] <ivoks> ogra_d: :)
[07:39] <chiefofthejojos> :-D
[07:40] <ogra_d> my laptop is disconnected...
[07:40] <\sh> hmm btw
[07:40] <dholbach> chiefofthejojos: this is the place to be :-)
[07:40] <dholbach> ogra_d: netsplit
[07:41] <\sh> what happens when I edit a wiki page right now, leave it open in edit mode, and somebody else is editing? will the wiki merge the changes?
[07:41] <ogra_d> lol, i just see it in the laptop
[07:41] <ivoks> ogra_d: doko approoved two more sources, so, they need upload
[07:41] <dholbach> chiefofthejojos: the channel i mean - if you read MOTUTodo on the wiki page you'll see there's a lot of action going on
[07:41] <dholbach> chiefofthejojos: apart from the bugs, UniverseCxxTransition is a big target
[07:41] <ogra_d> ivoks, yay
[07:41] <chiefofthejojos> yeah, I started reading about that but I didn't really understand
[07:41] <ivoks> ogra_d: there is a chance that 2-3 more will be on my web in couple of hours :) if, doko accepts new patches :)
[07:41] <chiefofthejojos> it sounded like converting code from C to C++?  is that right?
[07:41] <dholbach> chiefofthejojos: no :-)
[07:41] <ogra_d> ivoks, greta, i'll be around
[07:41] <chiefofthejojos> oh :-[
[07:42] <ivoks> ogra_d: okie dokie
[07:42] <dholbach> chiefofthejojos: we'll introduce a new version of a c++ compiler
[07:42] <dholbach> chiefofthejojos: which will break stuff
[07:42] <chiefofthejojos> so, what's so different about the compiler that requires this big transition project?
[07:42] <dholbach> chiefofthejojos: the ABI to be exact - does that mean anything to you?
[07:42] <chiefofthejojos> sorry, don't know the acronym
[07:42] <DanielN> hi all
[07:43] <dholbach> chiefofthejojos: it means that binaries linked against libraries that start using g++-4.0 will stop working
[07:43] <\sh> chiefofthejojos: with gcc4/g++4 the old libs and apps using those libs will become incompatible...just like in the old days between libc5 and glibc
[07:43] <siretart> if anyone has time to review my autofoo mess, here is the url: http://siretart.tauware.de/ubuntu-packages/tpb/
[07:44] <\sh> nice..breaking layout on cxx ;)
[07:44] <siretart> I know that libcxxtransistion has priority, but I needed the xosd support for my thinkpad ;)
[07:44] <dholbach> DanielN: do you need the op now
[07:44] <dholbach> ?
[07:44] <ozamosi> about the transition... Will the kernel really not be recompiled..?
[07:45] <DanielN> dholbach: don't understand ?
[07:45] <dholbach> ozamosi: i think they keep using gcc-3.4
[07:45] <ozamosi> Why..?
[07:45] <chiefofthejojos> so, we're just attempting to compile stuff with the new compiler, and then fixing the errors that are received?
[07:45] <dholbach> DanielN: do you need the op now?
[07:45] <dholbach> ozamosi: because it requires large fixing, i suppose
[07:45] <DanielN> no, i think i don't need op here at all
[07:45] <dholbach> DanielN: ok, could you de-op yourself please?
[07:45] <ivoks> :)
[07:46] <ivoks> please, deprivlige your self :)
[07:46] <DanielN> of course! but i don't know ..  is this a "misconfigurement" ?
[07:46] <dholbach> no it isnt
[07:46] <herve> re
[07:46] <dholbach> we just don't need ops in here
[07:46] <dholbach> re herve
[07:46] <dholbach> most of the times not
[07:46] <\sh> dholbach: nono..he opped himself via chanserve ;)
[07:47] <DanielN> yep
[07:47] <dholbach> we feel confident in people in here
[07:47] <herve> we're grown ups :-)
[07:47] <dholbach> i know
[07:47] <siretart> hehe
[07:47] <dholbach> herve++
[07:47] <herve> (growns up?)
[07:47] <ivoks> herve:
[07:47] <\sh> i never needed OP privs for about 8 years now
[07:47] <ivoks> \sh: OPs are for kids..
[07:47] <ivoks> :)
[07:47] <\sh> ignore is most of the time usefull
[07:47] <ivoks> can I get one? :)
[07:47] <DanielN> thanks ivoks ;>
[07:48] <dholbach> chiefofthejojos: that's the first part of the story
[07:48] <herve> ivoks?
[07:48] <dholbach> chiefofthejojos: second part is, that we need a hell lot of renaming action going on
[07:48] <ivoks> herve: yes, herve?
 herve:
[07:48] <dholbach> chiefofthejojos: to enable us to build-depend on proper versions and make the change consequently
[07:48] <herve> :-)
[07:48] <herve> communication clash :-)
[07:48] <dholbach> chiefofthejojos: it's all written up on BreezyToolchainTodo or something
[07:48] <dholbach> (linked on UniverseCxxTransition)
[07:48] <ivoks> herve: oh, just saying 'alo :)
[07:49] <herve> anyone with breezy and broken keys in xchat?
[07:49] <chiefofthejojos> that's tough
[07:49] <chiefofthejojos> that's a lot of work
[07:49] <chiefofthejojos> I think I'll start with bugs
[07:49] <dholbach> chiefofthejojos: it is
[07:49] <ogra_d> chiefofthejojos, but easy work...
[07:49] <chiefofthejojos> oh, really?
[07:49] <dholbach> herve: broken keys everywhere
[07:49] <chiefofthejojos> in that case, I might check it out
[07:49] <ogra_d> you have to follow a checklist...
[07:49] <dholbach> herve: ctrl-<something> especially
[07:49] <herve> okay, I'll even stop picking in breezy update
[07:49] <herve> s
[07:50] <dholbach> chiefofthejojos: just look at the patches in bugzilla for the cxx transition crack
[07:50] <herve> dholbach, yeah, I was suprised with gnome-terminal disappearing at ctrl+shift+t :)-
[07:50] <ogra_d> chiefofthejojos, but before you should make yourself a bit familiar with the basics of packaging
[07:50] <dholbach> hahaha :-)
[07:50] <dholbach> exactly
[07:50] <dholbach> that sucks... badly
[07:50] <chiefofthejojos> ogra_d: ok, thanks for the tip
[07:51] <herve> I was even more suprised with the black screen of this morning...
[07:51] <ogra_d> hwo uses such long key combis ? ctrl+shift+t tsk
[07:51] <dholbach> i use it
[07:51] <dholbach> it makes gnome-terminal rock
[07:51] <dholbach> but ogra doesnt use tabs ;-)
[07:51] <ivoks> lol
[07:51] <ogra_d> yeah
[07:51] <ivoks> aterm is the only term :)
[07:51] <siretart> ogra_d: emacs users ;)
[07:51] <ogra_d> tabs suck... you cant fill your screen with them
[07:52] <ivoks> :)
[07:52] <herve> ho no, not a terminal troll! :-)
[07:52] <ogra_d> hehe
[07:52] <\sh> cat|awk|sed ;)
[07:53] <ogra_d> ed
[07:53] <siretart> lol
[07:53] <dholbach> hahaha :-))
[07:53] <dholbach> herve ROCKS
[07:53] <dholbach> i always said it
[07:53] <siretart> absolutly ;)
[07:53] <\sh> herve: i hope not the dark side ;)
[07:53] <ogra_d> heh
[07:53] <herve> not always
[07:54] <herve> you didn't know me before :-)
[07:54] <\sh> using the force to shift bits from 1 to 0 is dark ;)
[07:54] <ivoks> :)
[07:54] <herve> \sh dark side of the spoon :)-
[07:54] <ogra_d> \sh, sometimes he's 0 sometimes he's 1
[07:54] <ivoks> he has torch, and he really burns he's CDs :)
[07:54] <ivoks> he's? lol
[07:54] <ivoks> his...
[07:55] <\sh> ogra_d: sure there r only 10 people who understand binary notation ;)
[07:55] <ogra> heh
[07:55] <siretart> there is no spoon
[07:55] <\sh> RELOAD !
[07:55] <\sh> ;=)
[07:55] <ogra> siretart, just because you dont see it, it must not mean it isnt there
[07:55] <\sh> ok..now for business after we discussed all fav. movies ;)
[07:56] <\sh> has anybody the "doko kdelibs4c2" on his breezy?
[07:56] <\sh> i think i have a problem in my breezy cage
[07:57] <dholbach> ivoks: could you kindly ask elmo to whitelist your email adress?
[07:57] <ivoks> am I the only one that has breezy and another breezy in cage?
[07:57] <dholbach> ivoks: you'll get receipt mail and your name will appear on *-changes@
[07:57] <ivoks> ok
[07:57] <dholbach> ROCK
[07:58] <ivoks> who is elmo? :)
[07:58] <herve> so you can show to your mother ;-)
[07:58] <ivoks> herve: i have g/f :)
[07:58] <chiefofthejojos> dholbach and ogre_d:  thanks for all the help and tips,  I'll see you later.  I have to get to work. :)
[07:58] <ivoks> ok, that was a lie :))
[07:58] <herve> mother, gf, whoever!
[07:59] <ogra_d> chiefofthejojos, just drop by here any time you like ;)
[07:59] <dholbach> ivoks: elmo is "James Troup", he hardcore-absolutely rocks and is ftpmaster
[07:59] <ivoks> dholbach: can i ask him over irc or special, official, email is needed?
[07:59] <dholbach> chiefofthejojos: cool, have a nice day! :-)
[07:59] <ivoks> dholbach: i know, I have used /wii :)
[07:59] <dholbach> ivoks: try to irc him
[07:59] <chiefofthejojos> ogre_d: I willl, everyday at work ;)
[07:59] <ogra_d> :)
[07:59] <ivoks> dholbach: ok, but you have to tell me why do I need my email whitelisted?
[08:00] <dholbach> ivoks: you'll get receipt mail and your name will appear on *-changes@
[08:00] <herve> ok, I have a ftbfs to fix...
[08:00] <ogra_d> ivoks, to not confuse us
[08:00] <dholbach> (for every upload)
[08:00] <ivoks> :)
[08:00] <\sh> hmmm
[08:01] <\sh> ok..anyone can give me a hint when all the packages are going into the buildd (cxxtrans)?
[08:01] <herve> put in the build queue every 5 minutes?
[08:01] <dholbach> \sh: they got uploaded
[08:02] <\sh> dholbach: cause i'm missing one important packages for me right now ;)
[08:02] <herve> sure, dput magic
[08:02] <\sh> it's a mess with all this kde stuff
[08:02] <ogra_d> \sh, thats because i didnt come around to upload it yet
[08:02] <\sh> ogra: doko can upload as well, right?
[08:02] <ivoks> hm..
[08:02] <ivoks> why is s near w?
[08:02] <\sh> ogra: and it's kdelibs4c2 ;)
[08:03] <ivoks> so, then you can type in, instead of whitelist, shitlist
[08:03] <ogra_d> \sh, ah, ok... but doko has to solve the thpethial probs for us ;)
[08:03] <\sh> ogra: the what? ,-)
[08:03] <ogra_d> special
[08:04] <ogra_d> lisp is not your strength ? ;)
[08:04] <dholbach> <-- cooking
[08:04] <\sh> ogra: well..not at all..i missed my lambda session ;)
[08:04] <ogra_d> heh
[08:05] <\sh> ok...then i have to patch by myself
[08:05] <ivoks> terminus fonts rock...
[08:05] <\sh> no problem...it's just because i want to get rid of this list and go on with the real stuff
[08:06] <ogra_d> \sh, there are also riddell and amu
[08:06] <herve> ivoks, you make think I wanted to test them
[08:06] <\sh> ogra: kdelibs is main
[08:06] <ivoks> herve: test them... best fonts for x/a/gnome/term
[08:07] <ivoks> so smooth, so nice... perfect
[08:07] <ivoks> i would give nobel to one that created them
[08:07] <herve> I should see "terminus" in the font list?
[08:08] <ogra_d> herve, its a special package
[08:08] <herve> sure
[08:08] <ivoks> xfonts-terminus - Fixed-width fonts for fast reading
[08:08] <herve> I installed it for a year
[08:08] <ivoks> ogra_d: ?
[08:08] <herve> but never played with it
[08:08] <ogra_d> i uploaded it before tqsllib
[08:08] <ivoks> ogra_d: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/libs
[08:08] <ivoks> ogra_d: ok :)
[08:09] <ivoks> herve: do this:
[08:09] <ivoks> herve: in .Xresources add this line:
[08:09] <ivoks> herve: Aterm*font: -xos4-terminus-medium-r-normal--12-120-72-72-c-*-iso8859-1
[08:09] <ivoks> herve: and run aterm
[08:09] <herve> I don't use aterm
[08:09] <herve> no I won't :-p
[08:09] <ivoks> herve: then put Xterm
[08:09] <ogra_d> uhhh, Xfonts
[08:09] <herve> neither
[08:10] <ivoks> then i don't care! work with you ugly fixed :)
[08:10] <herve> but what the hell is the name of the font in gtk list!
[08:10] <ivoks> terminus
[08:10] <herve> I never found it
[08:10] <ivoks> xfontsel
[08:11] <ivoks> run xfontsel
[08:11] <ivoks> fmly - terminus
[08:11] <herve> sure
[08:11] <herve> but I'm talking about gtk
[08:12] <ivoks> these are fixed with fonts
[08:12] <ivoks> only for terminals
[08:12] <herve> gnome-terminal is not a terminal? :)-
[08:13] <ivoks> herve: did you install xfonts-terminus.*?
[08:13] <ivoks> herve: nope, it isn't
[08:13] <ivoks> herve: start mc and then try to quit mc in gnome-terminal :))
[08:13] <herve> I do it everyday!
[08:13] <ivoks> with mouse :)
[08:14] <herve> nope
[08:14] <herve> F10
[08:14] <ivoks> ah...
[08:14] <ivoks> f10 works?
[08:14] <herve> but I configure the tools I use :-p
[08:14] <ivoks> lie to someone else :)
[08:14] <herve> 1/
[08:14] <\sh> esc-0 is the same as f10 in the console ;)
[08:14] <herve> I don't use the menu so I'm ok
[08:14] <ivoks> \sh: i know, but anyway...
[08:14] <ivoks> f10 is f10 :)
[08:15] <herve> 2/ go in the profile and deactivate gnome-terminal to react to function keys
[08:15] <herve> (or something like that)
[08:15] <ivoks> we are having large discussion how gtk and qt break unix legacy
[08:15] <ivoks> on hr.comp.os.linux
[08:15] <herve> unix legacy is also to be break
[08:15] <herve> but let's not feed the troll!
[08:15] <ivoks> they are copying windows shortcuts
[08:16] <ivoks> and ignore old, unix style
[08:16] <herve> which windows copyied from apple in turn...
[08:16] <ivoks> so u have ctrl+c (and we all now what this is one is really for)
[08:16] <\sh> and apple from xerox
[08:16] <ivoks> there are ctrl+q, ctrl+s, etc...
[08:16] <herve> \sh, yes!
[08:16] <\sh> ivoks: ctrl-c never was "stop app" in SAA/CUA Specs of IBM
[08:17] <ivoks> :)
[08:17] <ivoks> \sh: ctrl+c is kill
[08:17] <ivoks> not stop :)
[08:17] <\sh> alt-q was quit programm
[08:17] <ivoks> ctrl+s is stop
[08:17] <\sh> ivoks: sorry, yes kill ;)
[08:17] <ivoks> i said kill :)
[08:18] <\sh> ctrl+s and ctrl+q are terminal xon/xoff sequences
[08:18] <herve> \sh, lucky you have a alt key on your vt100 ;-)
[08:19] <\sh> herve: well...i have to check my old unisys vt100 term ;)
[08:19] <herve> okay, I don't know who decided to move font from /usr/lib to /usr/share
[08:19] <herve> but terminus didn't follow the transition
[08:20] <\sh> who is terminus?
[08:20] <herve> xfonts-terminus
[08:20] <\sh> malone now ;)
[08:21] <herve> no, I eat now :-)
[08:21] <\sh> oh yes food...well i forgot to go shopping today...was too tired
[08:23] <herve> I only have bread and yoghourts to eat!
[08:23] <ivoks> lol
[08:23] <ivoks> why is debian_version in /etc still 3.1?
[08:24] <\sh> sounds good :) i want to have one bread, white, with jam ;)
[08:24] <ogra> ivoks, is there a newer one ?
[08:25] <ivoks> ogra: allways :)
[08:25] <herve> ivoks, because sarge is 3.1
[08:26] <ivoks> herve: i know that, i'm using debian since '99.
[08:26] <herve> I don't see the point :-)
[08:26] <herve> so why do you ask?
[08:26] <ivoks> never mind :)
[08:26] <ivoks> I had car accident, remeber?
[08:27] <ivoks> i bumped my head
[08:27] <herve> you never told me
[08:27] <ivoks> no?
[08:27] <ivoks> big one... one moth ago
[08:28] <herve> not yet I mean :-)
[08:28] <ivoks> three cars... i was in the middle :(
[08:28] <herve> ouch
[08:29] <ivoks> i was searching for a parking space
[08:29] <ivoks> for 20-30 minutes
[08:29] <ivoks> finnaly, i spoted one...
[08:29] <ivoks> and i was just getting ready to put my punto in that little place
[08:30] <ivoks> when a peugeot, ah that french cars, smashed me from behind
[08:30] <herve> sorry but there's no relationship with it being a french car
[08:30] <ivoks> :))
[08:30] <ivoks> yes, there is...
[08:31] <ivoks> french and italian car... you don't know wich is worse :)
[08:31] <ivoks> nhf, but....
[08:31] <herve> I'd rather drive a peugeot than a fiat ;-)
[08:31] <ivoks> things are how they are :)
[08:31] <ivoks> herve: i agree, that's why i have ford :)
[08:32] <ivoks> poor peugot was totaly smashed
[08:32] <ivoks> i mean, that car will never drive again
[08:32] <herve> a ford punto, sure :-)
[08:32] <ivoks> herve: ford focus
[08:32] <herve> \sh, so you get virtually hurt?
[08:32] <ivoks> and fiat punto for town :)
[08:32] <herve> ha ok
[08:32] <ivoks> :)
[08:33] <herve> \sh, isn't it a political act? :-)
[08:33] <ivoks> politics?
[08:33] <\sh> see #u-d
[08:34] <ivoks> :)
[08:34] <herve> I don't read #u-d to get peace of mind :-)
[08:34] <ivoks> who are you, anyway? :)
[08:35] <ivoks> oh... again french :)
[08:36] <ivoks> \sh: is that french guy teasing you? :)
[08:36] <herve> hey!
[08:36] <herve> :-)
[08:37] <ogra_d> ivoks, careful, thats the second debian release manager ;)
[08:37] <\sh> ivoks: no :)
[08:37] <ivoks> ogra_d: :)
[08:38] <herve> hey, a straburg guy!
[08:38] <ivoks> now i can bitch around why is debian so slow :)
[08:40] <ogra_d> ergh
[08:40] <ogra_d> dholbach,
[08:40] <ogra_d> ...
[08:40] <ogra_d> june 19 is a sunday
[08:40] <ivoks> no fune there anymore :(
[08:41] <ogra_d> any objections that i move it to the 20th ?
[08:41] <ogra_d> (next meeting that is)
[08:43] <herve> ok for me
[08:43] <ogra> ok, its a wiki anyway, we can change it later....
[08:44] <ivoks> ok, can i come to meeting?
[08:45] <ogra> ivoks, why not
[08:45] <ivoks> they are in ubuntu-meeting?
[08:47] <herve> yep
[08:47] <ogra> sure
[08:48] <DanielN> mhm
[08:49] <DanielN> wanna look to such meeting too, one time ;)
[08:49] <herve> OT: nice moment when a band of friends had the same idea at the same time!
[08:49] <ogra> we had one 2hrs ago
[08:49] <herve> DanielN, just come in, it's free! :-)
[08:49] <DanielN> :)
[08:49] <ivoks> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/TechnicalBoardAgenda ?
[08:50] <ivoks> herve: can we bring pop-corn? :)
[08:50] <DanielN> ^^
[08:50] <ivoks> DanielN: you get the coke, i'll bring wine :)
[08:50] <ogra_d> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUMeeting
[08:50] <herve> ivoks: only if you provide enough for us all!
[08:51] <herve> anyway, you can attend any meeting
[08:51] <herve> just keep silent if you're not concerned
[08:51] <ivoks> herve: i have wine celer and wineyard
[08:51] <DanielN> :>
[08:51] <ivoks> or how it is called in english...
[08:51] <herve> and shut off your mobile phone ;-)
[08:51] <ivoks> ok
[08:52] <DanielN> herve, i never do that at all. not at (real) business-meetings too :-)
[08:52] <DanielN> (reffered to the mobile-phone)
[08:53] <herve> not even in theaters, cinemas, etc. ?
[08:53] <herve> very bad
[08:53] <ivoks> movie stops for him :)
[08:53] <dholbach> ogra_d: ok for me
[08:53] <DanielN> mhm .. for me it's like an advanture .. rings it or rings it not ? :-)
[08:53] <herve> yeah, for the others too
[08:54] <DanielN> ^^
[08:54] <ogra> dholbach, you couldnt edit it anyway ;-P
[08:54] <dholbach> :-)
[08:56] <DanielN> dholbach: extremely short time back to the channel op thing: i didn't use the chanserv command directly to #ubuntu-motu, i used the "op all command", cause for me it's to much to select the right one chans :P
[08:57] <dholbach> DanielN: if you have the time for something like that...
[08:57] <DanielN> not really
[08:58] <ivoks> enough for today..
[08:58] <ivoks> bye all
[08:58] <ivoks> time to go out and conquer some ladies
[09:15] <\sh> re :)
[09:15] <herve> you were gone? :-)
[09:16] <\sh> well...virtually :) i had a long chat with this svenl :)
[09:17] <\sh> quite interessting btw
[09:17] <herve> what was the issue, anyway?
[09:17] <herve> ho, wait
[09:17] <herve> he is a debian release manager?
[09:17] <\sh> yes
[09:17] <\sh> but we weren't discussion this :)
[09:17] <herve> don't you delay the release of sarge even more!
[09:17] <herve> :-)
[09:18] <\sh> he asked about ubuntu cds/dvds to give away with pegasos ppc boards and computers
[09:19] <\sh> and the former default OS was morph OS for this platform...after a time, some morphos devs wrote on their webpage that genesi ( the manufacture of pegasosppc) is not paying them anymore for dev work
[09:19] <\sh> (http://www.morphos.net)
[09:19] <\sh> after this, I saw an announcement on gentoo-core that genesi is sponsoring the gentoo project...and I was not sure, what is the truth behind all this bad and sad PR
[09:19] <herve> yet another dallas scenario :-)
[09:20] <\sh> and the reason why i was bugging him is: i want to know :)
[09:21] <herve> okay
[09:21] <\sh> and now I will send him an email with my contact data and trying to get a dev machine for (K)ubuntu developing on a ppc platform :)
[09:21] <herve> I thought it was some violent discussion about ubuntu decisions
[09:21] <ogra> oh, is he related to pegasos anyhow ?
[09:21] <chiefofthejojos> ogra: so, I should read the "Debian New Maintainer's Guide" to understand the basics of packaging?
[09:21] <\sh> and he is also some days in germany, so it's time to meet with him anyways :)
[09:21] <\sh> ogra: yeah
[09:21] <ogra> chiefofthejojos, thats a good start, yes...
[09:22] <herve> \sh, he's not living far from Germany, anyway
[09:22] <\sh> herve: right now he's in frankfurt oberursel :)
[09:22] <chiefofthejojos> cool, perhaps I should wait 'til I get home from work to do all this :-[
[09:22] <chiefofthejojos> ;)
[09:22] <herve> chiefofthejojos, yes, take your time
[09:22] <herve> reading it fast won't help
[09:23] <\sh> chiefofthejojos: learning by doing :) and use the force :)
[09:23] <herve> have a whisky and start reading!
[09:23] <ogra> chiefofthejojos, and dont fear to bug us with questions
[09:23] <chiefofthejojos> hehe, thanks guys I've got some rum at home, will that work?
[09:23] <herve> well, think before asking, though :-)
[09:23] <ogra> chiefofthejojos, rum is ok too
[09:23] <herve> chiefofthejojos, not after the third glass ;-)
[09:23] <chiefofthejojos> hehe
[09:24] <\sh> to lighten some nice burnings, rum is quite good ;) 80% stroh rum ;)
[09:24] <herve> ha... stroh rum...
[09:24] <\sh> and as medicine also formidable :)
[09:24] <herve> :-)
[09:24] <herve> and for cleaning old traces of fat!
[09:24] <chiefofthejojos> hehe, I'll just make sure not to join the channel after 3 or more so I won't ask stupid questions :)
[09:25] <ogra> i one had a russian jeep.... you could drive it with "stroh rum"
[09:25] <ogra> once even
[09:26] <Treenaks> ogra: what a waste of stroh rum!
[09:26] <ogra> Treenaks, depends....
[09:27] <chiefofthejojos> what else would you use it for? O:-)
[09:27] <herve> so you could drive to the shop and buy more!
[09:27] <ogra> Treenaks, if you use it to drive to the liquor store to get even more of it, its fine ;)
[09:27] <Treenaks> ogra: hm, good point :)
[09:27] <ogra> herve, :)
[09:27] <chiefofthejojos> haha
[09:27] <herve> ogra, ;-)
[09:27] <dholbach> you rock! :-)
[09:27] <\sh> ok...kvirc build 1
[09:27] <herve> whoops! I had a ftbfs on the fire!
[09:27] <\sh> i need a faster laptop
[09:28] <ogra> \sh, get a build server ;)
[09:28] <herve> \sh, you just need a real machine
[09:28] <\sh> herve: haha :) tell it to my ex-wife...she's eating my money
[09:29] <ogra> \sh, only because you sponsor her traveling around the world
[09:29] <herve> pay her in ubuntu cd :-)
[09:29] <ogra> hehe
[09:29] <\sh> ogra: no this i didn't pay...but the rest
[09:29] <dholbach> see you guys tomorrow
[09:29] <dholbach> have a nice evening
[09:29] <ogra> ciao dholbach
[09:29] <\sh> u too dholbach
[09:29] <herve> see you dholbach
[09:29] <chiefofthejojos> see you dholbach
[09:30] <dholbach> ogra, \sh, herve, chiefofthejojos: you all rock! the world needs more guys like you! :-)
[09:30] <ogra> thanks :)
[09:30] <\sh> ogra: i'm looking forward to meet up with u and dholbach (and mvo eventually ;))
[09:30] <herve> you mean, chatting insteading of working? :-)
[09:30] <chiefofthejojos> thank you!
[09:30] <herve> (instead)
[09:31] <dholbach> herve: you know that's not all :-)
[09:31] <ogra> \sh, ubuntu mini conference ?
[09:31] <\sh> ogra: sure :)
[09:31] <ogra> heh
[09:31] <dholbach> *wave*
[09:31] <\sh> ogra: UaO
[09:31] <ogra> heh
[09:31] <chiefofthejojos> ogra: I'm not familiar with irc, how to you produce a line like this: "***ogra blushes"?
[09:31] <\sh> or UdO?
[09:31] <ogra>  /me blushes
[09:32] <ogra> chiefofthejojos, try it :)
[09:32] <ogra> ha
[09:32] <chiefofthejojos> cool
[09:32] <\sh> chief: <nick>!<user>@host privmsg: \0x001blushes\x001
[09:32] <\sh> but easier to do an /me bla
[09:32] <chiefofthejojos> \sh: what's that?
[09:33] <\sh> chiefofthejojos: the actual representation of ctcp commands like /me :)
[09:33] <herve> what the irc client sends
[09:33] <\sh> rfc1492?
[09:33] <chiefofthejojos> oh, interesting
[09:33] <\sh> have to check my old kmyirc sources :)
[09:33] <chiefofthejojos> see you guys, we're having a call to foosball at work
[09:34] <chiefofthejojos> :-D
[09:34] <\sh> chiefofthejojos: good to have u around :)
[09:34] <\sh> hmm...applications should also be renamed for the cxx trans?
[09:34] <ogra> nope
[09:34] <tseng|work> nice someone fixed the __thread bug ogra
[09:34] <tseng|work> we can use it now
[09:34] <herve> I can't imagine the mess, otherwise :-)
[09:34] <ogra> only their deps
[09:35] <\sh> ok
[09:35] <ogra> tseng|work, hooray
[09:35] <tseng|work> http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/mono-patches/2005-May/058760.html
[09:35] <tseng|work> very very simple patch
[09:35] <\sh> ogra: and if they have shlibs attached, right?
[09:35] <herve> yeah, like the last patch in debian's samba
[09:36] <herve> removing a "!" in a condition ;-)
[09:36] <ogra> tseng|work, yeah
[09:36] <tseng|work> now i know why gentoo doesnt have it
[09:36] <tseng|work> they all set their CHOST to 686
[09:36] <tseng|work> :D
[09:36] <ogra> heh
[09:37] <Treenaks> tseng|work: *mumbles something about funroll-loops.org*
[09:37] <\sh> tseng: lol
[09:38] <herve> I wonder if I'd like to understand such jokes one day
[09:38] <ogra> herve, they are optimizing themselves away ;)
[09:38] <\sh> herve: www.gentoo.org and read the installation handbook :) then u know :)
[09:39] <\sh> (well the beginnings of this hype :))
[09:39] <herve> do you have the same expression: "best is the enemy of better" ?
[09:40] <\sh> i only know "das beste ist nicht gut genug"
[09:42] <herve> not really this
[09:42] <herve> nevermind
[09:42] <herve> I think I understand gentoo is optimizing too much wrt stability
[09:43] <\sh> herve: not at all..the kids yes, but not the devs normally...but u r right, it's one of the weakening points of gentoo
[09:44] <herve> I thought it was spending 90% time compiling and 10% time using your system :-)
[09:49] <herve> say you receive a "const GraphObserver * obs1" in a function
[09:49] <herve> why g++ won't let you cast it to an unsigned for comparison
[09:49] <herve> I mean, why would this be an error?
[09:52] <tseng|work> flaming losers in gentoo is a very loud minority group, I guess
[09:52] <tseng|work> oh well.
[09:54] <\sh> tseng: flaming losers?
[09:54] <\sh> what usergroup is it?
[09:55] <herve> sorry for the paste:
[09:55] <herve> In particular, code like this:
[09:55] <herve>         int i;
[09:55] <herve>         (char) i = 5;
[09:55] <herve> 
[09:55] <herve> why would casting be removed from C++?
[09:56] <\sh> uint i; (char) i=5 should work
[09:56] <\sh> type compatiblity
[09:56] <Treenaks> herve: signedness..
[09:57] <herve> treenaks, weirdness to me :-)
[09:57] <tseng|work> \sh: the -O99 -j007 kids
[09:57] <\sh> herve: strict typechecking :) one of the new goodies of gcc4 ;)
[09:57] <\sh> tseng: oh yeah :)
[09:58] <herve> ok, I'll try something
[09:58] <herve> but I need someone with an amd64 or ia64
[09:59] <\sh> herve: bug ogra ,)
[09:59] <herve> \sh, Treenaks, any idea why "cast from 'const GraphObserver*' to 'unsigned int' loses precision" would only occur on 64 bit platforms?
[10:00] <herve> \sh, I was hinting at ogra ;-)
[10:00] <Treenaks> herve: a pointer cast into an integer..
[10:00] <Treenaks> herve: maybe?
[10:01] <ogra> hmm, no idea...
[10:01] <herve> Treenaks, I only want to say "mind you, g++, I do wathever I wish with my values"
[10:01] <herve> but i386 compiles fine
[10:01] <herve> ogra, just for borrowing a few hours of your cpu :-)
[10:01] <Treenaks> wait for one of the C++ gurus :)
[10:02] <herve> to torture him? :-)
[10:02] <Treenaks> herve: hmm, maybe
[10:03] <\sh> i need to fix more on kvirc then the build-deps and conflicts
[10:03] <\sh> *grmpf*
[10:04] <herve> I should have asked ssh access to dholbach before he left
[10:05] <ogra> herve, upload the source pkg anywhere
[10:12] <tseng|work> who has a ppc?
[10:13] <herve> hi nafallo!
[10:13] <Nafallo> hi herve :-). how's it going?
[10:13] <\sh> bahhh
[10:13] <herve> ogra, http://deb.oursours.net/motu/
[10:14] <herve> nafallo, still able to resist to the dark side!
[10:14] <herve> (private joke inside)
[10:14] <herve> ogra, thanks in advance!
[10:14] <Nafallo> *s*
[10:14] <ogra> herve, when does the error uccur ?
[10:15] <ogra> s/u/o
[10:15] <herve> how so?
[10:15] <Nafallo> ogra: hi! care to translate something for me? ;-)
[10:15] <herve> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/t/tulip/2.0.2-4ubuntu1/tulip_2.0.2-4ubuntu1_20050518-2012-amd64-failed.bz2
[10:16] <Nafallo> Diese BIOS-Version verbessert ...
[10:16] <Nafallo> - die Stabilitt der ACPI Eigenschaften.
[10:16] <Nafallo> - die Systemstabilitt bei 3D Anwendungen.
[10:17] <herve> nafallo: This BIOS version improves... - the stability of the ACPI characteristics. - the dependability with 3D applications.
[10:18] <Nafallo> herve: ahh, thanks :-). I actually have had some trouble with my ACPI :-P.
[10:18] <ozamosi> dependability? Shouldn't that be stability..?
[10:18] <ogra> yep
[10:19] <herve> I read mono is generating its gtk bindings by parsing the source... impressive!
[10:19] <ogra> system stability
[10:19] <herve> and why do the other bindings don't do the same? :-)
[10:19] <Nafallo> hehe, I don't even use 3D ;-)
[10:19] <herve> nafallo you will when firefox 1.1 will be improved by 3D acceleration ;-)
[10:20] <herve> (nice usage of three time the do auxiliary ;-)
[10:24] <Nafallo> herve: well. ati radeon mobility 9700 that give me nothing more than a black screen with fglrx ;-).
[10:24] <herve> me too this morning
[10:24] <herve> but just because someone
[10:25] <herve> moved the fonts to another directory :-p
[10:25] <Nafallo> herve: I got it any time I try :-). happens three times a year that I does or something ;-).
[10:25] <Nafallo> s/does/do/
[10:26] <ogra> herve, sorry, takes a moment, i'm updating my pbuilder...
[10:30] <herve> ogra, no problem, I wasn't expecting it for at least tomorro
[10:30] <ogra> ok
[10:33] <\sh> that is really weired
[10:33] <\sh> cdbs anyone?
[10:33] <ogra> nah
[10:33] <jbailey> \sh: Hmm?
[10:34] <\sh> jbailey: u have time to check something?
[10:34] <\sh> :)
[10:34] <\sh> apt-get source kvirc ;)
[10:34] <jbailey> \sh: Not at the moment, sorry.
[10:34] <\sh> autotools.mk is processing all autotools stuff...even if it shouldn't be build
[10:35] <\sh> kde.mk not...now I'm standing there with my ??? on my face
[10:36] <ogra> \sh, ... why do you use autotools.mk  at all then ?
[10:36] <\sh> ogra: the debian package is using it
[10:36] <\sh> and I found my debdiff a bit strange ;)
[10:38] <herve> I wouldn't trust all the packages I touched in the course of the motu :-)
[10:38] <herve> night all!
[10:40] <ogra> \sh, did you recognize #ubuntu-de ?
[10:41] <\sh> ogra: no...i wasn't reading it for quite a while...whats up?
[10:42] <ogra> someone gave the advise to do rm -rf / to someone who had no space left on his device....
[10:43] <\sh> who?
[10:44] <ogra> poxymox told it to gaulois2
[10:44] <ogra> hmm, herves patch doesnt apply...
[10:45] <\sh> fck...poor gaulois2
[10:46] <ogra> yep
[10:46] <blueyed> he is not a noob, he will not have done it.
[10:46] <ogra> but poxymox is really sorry... guess he'll never do it again...
[10:47] <ajmitch> hi
[10:47] <\sh> i hope so...
[10:47] <blueyed> ok, he has done it.. :/
[11:03] <tseng|work> bye
[11:11] <\sh> ok...this is really amazing
[11:12] <\sh> kvirc is dirt
[11:12] <\sh> basicplugin.tar.gz: basicplugin/*
[11:12] <\sh>  tar cvzf basicplugin.tar.gz basicplugin
[11:12] <\sh> this was the rule in one makefile.am
[11:13] <\sh> and using autotools.mk tries to generate the project itself for basicplugin but it's only an example
[11:13] <\sh> so removing the basicplugin/* helped
[11:14] <\sh> as source target
[11:22] <\sh> kvirc ready
[11:33] <\sh> time to go to bed