=== tritium [~tritium@ee213-dhcp-6.ecn.purdue.edu] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [12:26] so.. how do I make my X start again [12:26] i have no fixed font [12:26] pretty suck [12:34] morning [12:34] hi === Fackamato [fackamato@81-229-119-116-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [12:41] ajmitch: you can upload C++ library packages now [12:49] great, I'll still put patches up on bugzilla, right? [12:50] looks like there's a few issues with apps needing recompiled [12:50] blam is using c++ [12:50] or they just weren't changed properly :) [12:50] not sure what im supposed to do with it [12:54] doko: unixodbc-bin still depends on libodbcinstq1 [12:55] ajmitch, hmm, will look [01:13] wow the menu editor rocks === abarbaccia [~abarbacci@ool-18b8cf07.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] tseng: the one in gnome-menus? [01:23] yes [01:23] its so simple [01:24] any way to get the new one without logging out? :) [01:24] beats me [01:24] brb then [01:24] killall gnome-panel? [01:24] heh [01:24] ogra: monodevelop worksforme === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-229-188-97.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] ogra: you? [01:25] hmm, havent upgraded all the day... [01:25] hmm, it didn't update [01:26] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/monodevelop/ [01:26] nope, it didnt build... [01:26] ha, that's a lot like my new UI :) [01:26] i guess we worked off the same doodle [01:29] ogra: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg0.6.png [01:29] i like mine better :) [01:32] dude its the same thing [01:33] err, yeah, that was too you [01:33] but with andyfitzisms [01:33] to [01:33] meh, why does it build depend on mozilla ? [01:33] i fixed that here [01:33] andyfitzisms? [01:33] havent uploaded yet [01:33] Amaranth: the icons? [01:33] from andyfitz [01:34] oh, that's the icon theme on my machine [01:34] it uses whatever theme you use [01:35] hmm, the one in gnome-menus only allows you to hide/show entries [01:43] hmm, it crashes [01:44] wow, silly amd64 [01:46] hmm, but it knows python syntaxhighlighting :) [01:54] tseng, seems it runs stable now... [01:55] did you change something? [01:55] no crash since i started it the secondtime... i can open and save files etc [01:55] nope [01:55] ok :( [01:56] i suspect ff its pretty bad on amd64 currently [01:57] hmm, it cant highlight Makefiles [01:57] heh, thats funny, if i open a shellscript it gets opened in gvim [01:58] (from the monodevelop filebrowser) === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [~janc@JanC.member.lugwv] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JDahl [~qwerty@ca-stmnca-cuda4-gen2m1-135.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:13] I packaged up a python packaged I'm working on, and a "dpkg --info" tells me: "Depends: atlas3-base | lapack3 | liblapack.so.3, atlas3-base | refblas3 | libblas.so.3, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libumfpack4 (>= 4.3-5), glpk", where all except glpk are found automatically by dpkg-buildpackage. But when I apt-get install the package, only glpk is automatically installed: do I need to explicitly list all those dependencies on t [05:13] he "Depends:" line in the control file? === janm [~user@202.172.110.144] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [~minghua@ppp-69-153-138-159.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:26] Hi, I've got a problem for c++ transition of arpack++ [05:26] In configure I get: [05:26] checking how to run the C preprocessor... /lib/cpp [05:26] configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check [05:26] See `config.log' for more details. [05:26] make: *** [build] Error 1 [05:26] and /lib/cpp is a symlink to /usr/bin/cpp-4.0 [05:27] nothing seems related in config.log, the last lines: [05:27] #ifdef __cplusplus [05:27] extern "C" void std::exit (int) throw (); using std::exit; [05:27] configure: exit 1 === |QuaD-_ [~QuaD@beac872-0b01-dhcp137.bu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jay [~jay@208.60.223.246] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~tritium@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax7-154.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bradb [~bradb@modemcable087.14-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === womble [~mpalmer@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0547.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0547.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuppa [~tuppa@archammer.corvu.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuppa [~tuppa@archammer.corvu.com.au] has left #ubuntu-motu ["bye] === womble [~mpalmer@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === susus [~sz@p5089ED21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@p5089ED21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_d [~ogra@p5089ED21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.124] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fwiffo [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@d023006.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:31] anyone here? :) [09:32] nope, were all dead [09:32] :) [09:32] the european guys are just waking up now [09:33] i have on tiny problem :) [09:33] could you help me? [09:33] probably not, but shoot [09:33] when i change changelog with dch -i -Dbreezy [09:33] it puts an email as a signature [09:34] it was working fine, but now it puts ivoks@localhost.localdomain [09:34] would you know how to change that? [09:36] ah.. [09:36] that's enviorment variable [09:36] ivoks: /etc/mailname? [09:36] or [09:36] export EMAIL='ivoks@grad.hr' [09:37] that should work too [09:38] yes, it works :) [09:39] i replaced bash with zsh, so i lost all my env. variables [09:39] you can add DEBEMAIL or something similar, but I forget the exact varible [09:39] DEBEMAIL [09:40] and DEBFULLNAME [09:40] ya [09:40] man dch says it all :) [09:45] terminus is really nice font [09:46] ok, see you guys.. === jinty [~jinty@haydn.debian.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dahane_ [~dahane@c164167.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dahane_ is now known as dahane [10:07] <\sh> morning [10:08] morning === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === womble [~mpalmer@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thom [~thom@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:02] ivoks, ogra, how are the C++ uploads going, or who cares about them? [11:02] dholbach ? === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dahane [~dahane@d072167.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:50] doko [12:50] ping [12:50] pong [12:51] you said varconf misses a build depends on libsigc++-1.2-dev... [12:51] but thats there [12:51] hi doko, ogra_d [12:51] hey ajmitch [12:51] is the build-dep tightened to the first version compiled for the new ABI? [12:51] doko, btw, the rest of my day is donated to the libs :) [12:52] ah, ok [12:52] <\sh> re [12:52] that might be it [12:52] yes, we need that for the buildd's [12:52] <\sh> bad day for me [12:52] oki [12:54] <\sh> ogra_d: I had a nice fight this morning at 5:45 with duke ;) [12:54] heh [12:54] duke is funny [12:55] ajmitch: libcommoncpp2, please just drop c102, don't add the c2 [12:55] <\sh> ogra_d: and i had a nice chat with guenther [12:55] doko: ah, sorry, that was 1st one I did :) [12:55] ajmitch: and I don't see a bug report for it [12:56] ajmitch: libccrtp: in the changelog, say what you did change, bug report is missing (I know, your second package ;) === ajmitch will put them up asap.. [12:57] yes, I thought I'd fixed all the changelogs, obviously not :) [12:57] <\sh> hmmm...how do i use debdiff? [12:58] debdiff package1.dsc package2.dsc [12:59] <\sh> and i was playing with source dirs === GheRivero [~ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] <\sh> hmmm...can someone check if I made everything allright for the bug report? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10957 [01:21] \sh, the lib binary could need a Provides [01:22] <\sh> Provides: libqssl2 should do it, right? [01:22] yep [01:22] err [01:22] <\sh> or should i use Provides: libqssl so it fits for 1 and 2 [01:22] c102 [01:23] <\sh> sure :) [01:23] <\sh> thx [01:23] no just let the packaging system know that it finds the old named lib in this package [01:25] <\sh> done [01:25] <\sh> what would be really nice, to have a jabber component for bugzilla and malone ;) reporting bugs via jabber and informing the devs via jabber about new bugs for their packages [01:26] its planned... but dont expect it for 1.0 === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] <\sh> I think bugzilla has already a jabber component... === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] meh, doko [01:38] ? [01:39] ogra_d: please no provides for renamed library packages. we WANT to conflict old and new packages [01:39] libclutils0-dev is not installable.... [01:39] okay [01:40] or rather its empty, my pbuilder doenst find it.... [01:40] but its installed === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:44] <\sh> shit [01:44] <\sh> i made a mistake [01:44] \sh, nobody is perfect (seee above ;) ) [01:46] <\sh> ogra_d: but a really nasty one...i forgot the libfile ;) [01:46] <\sh> doko: ah..so i will remove also my provides line ;) [01:46] <\sh> doko: but Replaces: is fine? [01:46] which package? [01:47] <\sh> libqssl [01:47] <\sh> libqssl2c102 [01:47] source package? [01:47] <\sh> qssl === ogra_d kicks his pbuilder [01:47] checking for isClutils in -lclutils... no [01:47] \sh, where's the bug report? [01:47] <\sh> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10957 [01:48] <\sh> doko: but w8 a moment :) i'll update the debdiff [01:49] <\sh> ok..u can check now [01:52] missing conflict to the old lib [01:52] <\sh> see...;) [01:54] <\sh> new debdiff attached [01:54] tighten the build-dep on libqt3-mt-dev [01:55] (and mark the attachment as patches) [01:56] <\sh> doko: what do u mean with "tighten"? is libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3.1.1-1) not right? [01:56] <\sh> doko: k [01:57] look at the library list, all deps on C++ libs have to be tightened to the first version with the new ABI [01:59] <\sh> u mean: if 3.3.3-7 is the first new ABI version I should change build-deps to libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3.3.3-7) [01:59] <\sh> or 3.3.3-7ubuntu5 [02:00] yes, the latter [02:00] doko, any idea about libclutils ? [02:00] <\sh> k...thx [02:00] that's why we keep the version information in the table [02:01] ogra: the one in the archive? [02:01] it gets installed in the pbuilder.... but the configure doesnt find it... [02:01] if i log in and install it manually, all files are where they belong [02:02] 20031216-5 ? [02:02] yep [02:02] configure: error: Could not find a workable libclutils.so or libclutils.a. [02:02] You probably need to install clutils and/or specify the location of [02:02] it with the --with-clutils option. [02:03] both are there [02:04] <\sh> ok..done [02:05] ogra: no information in config.log? === ajmitch is off to sleep now [02:07] hmm, how do i get the config.log from a pbuilder that failed ? === ogra builds aain, without pbuilder [02:07] again even [02:08] <\sh> ogra: there is a switch to force not to delete the temp files after build === ogra looks at the pbuilder docs [02:11] <\sh> --preserve-buildplace [02:11] ogra: hmm, YES, exactly that option === jamessan|work [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] <\sh> no... [02:12] <\sh> or? [02:12] hmm, but anyway, it builds fine outside the pbuilder [02:12] <\sh> This is useful if you want to attempt to build a large number of packages successively, but you expect that many of them cannot have their build [02:12] <\sh> dependencies satisfied. [02:12] <\sh> It will clean up the build place on failure, or after a successful build. [02:14] <\sh> ok second cxx qt package finished [02:16] <\sh> ogra: hmmm..one apt-get miss update in the pbuilder chroot? [02:16] i don an update before every build [02:17] -n === tseng|work [~ccc27a01@sls-eb20p9.dca2.superb.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:26] <\sh> ogra_d: hmmm...additional source in your chroot and not in pbuilder? dokos repos eventually? :) [02:26] <\sh> anyways...started this day at 5:30am now it's time to go home [02:27] \sh, i dont use a chroot, just a plain pbuilder with main and universe sources === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] <\sh> ogra: hmmm...confusing just like ogra and ogra_d ;-9 [02:28] <\sh> bbl gents...going home [02:30] \sh, bye === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.247.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] <\sh> at least at home === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bradb [~bradb@MTL-ppp-146985.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Shufla [~shufla@cgl154.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] doko, can i leave tyvis for you ? i have no idea what to do here and --preserve-buildplace doeosnt help at all, since it removes the tree on error or breakage... locally it builds fine [04:33] ogra_d: ok [04:35] doko, thanks :) [04:36] doko, whats the exchange rate for this 2:1, or higher ? ;) [04:38] meh, libsigcx-gtk-0.6-dev is boken.... === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.247.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:44] guys, is any of you aware of some utility that allows you to snap programs to a grid? [04:46] HiddenWolf: if you hold shift while moving it snaps to other edges [04:47] Lathiat, I just got myself a 1920x1200 monitor, and I'm looking for a way to keep my programs where I want them. [04:48] shift might just do the trick. :) [04:49] It'd be neat if you could 'partition' your desktop, and lock a program to a partition, tho. === Shufla [~shufla@cgl154.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:52] hi. is there guideline for importing sid packages to hoary/breezy? [package is made for sid, but it is not avaiable in debian] [04:52] recompile it in breezy [04:53] ogra: ah. but there are some tweaks needed in debian/ dir. ok. i'll go thru debian packagers documentation, thanks. === herve [~hcauwelie@mut38-4-82-233-119-142.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:57] motu meeting? [04:59] oops [04:59] youre right [05:00] in 1h [05:00] we're gmt+2... *headache* [05:02] HiddenWolf: apt-get install devilspie [05:13] Lathiat, you rule [05:13] :) [05:14] ugh. I'll need to google for that [05:14] It's pretty much useless at default. :P === motaboy [~motaboy@host113-36.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [~daniel@td9091af0.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:35] hellas! === dahane [~dahane@d072220.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:43] heya dholbach! [05:43] hey herve! [05:52] hey bradb :-) [05:52] bradb: who would i have to bother for "add a mail adress to a team"? [05:54] could everybody have a look at wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting and add their favorite topic to it? [05:55] that's how I saw there is a meeting coming :-) [05:56] :-))) [05:56] thanks for the reminder! [05:56] de rien :-) === GheRivero [~ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:56] dholbach: hi [05:57] hey bradb, how are you? [05:57] good thanks, you? :) [05:57] i'm alright, thanks :-) [05:58] bradb: who would i have to bother for "add a mail adress to a team"? :-) [05:58] who takes care of the "people" section [05:58] dholbach: salgado's the man [05:59] ahh, ok [05:59] i'll bother him next :-) [05:59] hang on [05:59] perhaps i'll summon him onto the channel [05:59] erm, we have motu meeting next [05:59] dholbach, i dont think we need a team mailadress [05:59] yes we do [06:00] rather mail all the team members, the adresses are in the stack [06:00] i want to have bugs go to desktop-bugs@ for example [06:00] its nonsense to have a extra mailing list you have to maintain [06:00] you don't have to maintain it [06:00] someone has [06:00] and jdub, seb128 and i just arranged one for desktop-bugs@ [06:00] hmm... [06:00] k [06:01] ok... i think we have a meeting now [06:01] yep [06:01] #ubuntu-meeting [06:02] guys, join #ubuntu-meeting === salgado [~salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:03] hi there! [06:03] hi === jinty [~jinty@haydn.debian.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:04] doh, you guys just started a meeting didn't you :P [06:04] yep [06:04] dholbach, ogra, salgado: if you can't discuss your questions right now about setting up your team, perhaps you could note a time a bit later when you can help to get things sorted for MOTU team config? [06:05] I'm going for lunch now. will be back in 1h or so [06:05] salgado, in an hour ? [06:05] heh [06:05] great [06:05] ogra, perfect [06:06] hey salgado [06:06] oh. === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:42] salgado-lunch: we we're just wondering, if we could have a mail-adress for teams - so the bugs assigned to a team could go to a mailing list or something [06:44] dholbach, we'll meet in 30min [06:44] ogra, salgado-lunch: ok === metallikop [i@pcp0011431183pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Unfrgiven [~ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0547.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:05] ola :) [07:05] we're still in #ubuntu-meeting :-) [07:06] hi ivoks [07:06] hi ivoks :) [07:07] me first :-p [07:16] salgado, we hurried :) [07:17] <\sh> hah back to normal work ;) [07:17] <\sh> lemme check for cxx stuff [07:17] hi all [07:17] :) [07:17] ogra, so, the problem is just adding an email address to teams? [07:18] oh, what fun i have, salvage files from dead disk :) [07:18] ogra: here? ready for some uploading? [07:18] salgado: and adding teams more easily [07:18] salgado: i just wondered if somebody was working on it - bradb seems to have just dragged you in here :-) [07:19] dholbach, by more easily you mean, having a link to it? [07:19] yes [07:19] salgado, thats dholbachs problem... i would be happy if a bug sent a mail to all team members ;) [07:19] or to a mailing list for the team :-) [07:19] (as long as its assigned to the team) [07:19] yes [07:19] so, let's start from the beginning [07:19] the problem of team creation: [07:20] we used to have a link on you "actions" portlet, in foaf, to create new teams [07:20] but that doesn't make sense to most of the users, so we removed it [07:20] most of the users will never create a new team [07:20] ok, i can see your point there [07:20] ideally, a team would be created when you want to reassign a product/package [07:21] i should just describe the procedure on the wiki [07:22] (we don't have reassignment working yet, but when we do, it'll be possible to create new teams when reassigning anything) [07:22] salgado, but that doesnt give us mails... [07:22] now, about the emails [07:22] emails! :-) [07:22] there's a spec on that. I'm working on it right now and you can already add a contact email to a team [07:22] oh... i tried it some minutes ago [07:23] let me have a look again [07:23] when this spec is completely implemented, we'll follow these rules when mailing teams: [07:23] dholbach, is not yet in production [07:23] ahhhh ok [07:23] but good to know, thanks for that, salgado :-) [07:23] 1. if a team has a contact email address, all emails directed to that team will go to that email [07:23] 2. if there's no contact email address, we mail all members of that team [07:24] yay [07:24] do you guys think this is reasonable? [07:24] yep, absoultely perfect [07:24] great. [07:24] salgado: if you tell the user what's going on, it's absolutely perfect and just what we need [07:24] s/user/team leader/ [07:24] salgado, could we have [07:24] rocking [07:24] dholbach, yeas, this will be clear when you create a team [07:24] 3. both [07:25] (on demand indeed) [07:25] ogra, you mean, mailing the contact email and all members? [07:25] yep [07:25] do you have a use case for that? [07:26] i.e. i have a team where not all members are subscribed to the ML dholbach wants to send his bugreports to, the this would be a fine addon === blueyed [~daniel@i528C375B.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:27] (its not really necessary though...) [07:27] ogra, ok, I'll add this to the spec (as an unresolved issue for now), and I'll keep you informed about what we decided on that [07:27] ok? [07:27] cool [07:27] yep... put it on low priority... 1. and 2. are just fine [07:27] thanks salgado [07:28] I'd say that's easier to request that user to subscribe to the mailing list. but maybe I'm wrong [07:28] yeah, thanks for your time salgado :) [07:28] dholbach, ogra. no problem. [07:28] http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20010805.html [07:28] I just saw that page and asked myself: "wtf am I doing here?" :P [07:28] salgado, i'd prefer the variant without ML at all (2.) :) [07:28] :-) [07:29] lol [07:29] thats a good page... [07:30] yeah. the first header is the best advice one can give. :) [07:30] salgado, so you should travel more to look over some sholders ;) [07:30] salgado: yeah, be sure to ping me, when you hit germany :-) [07:31] hi' [07:31] cool. I'll do that for sure. the same for you guys when in Brazil [07:31] yay [07:31] hi [07:31] hey siretart [07:32] you missed the motu meeting :) [07:32] woohoo! [07:32] say, I fixed a package, and needed your advice. The bug was in an aclocal makro file. Therefore I had to rerun aclocal, automake and autoconf [07:32] this bloated my *.diff.gz. is this ok? [07:33] yes [07:33] it the tpb package, the dependency of libxosd was removed because of that breakage [07:33] ok [07:33] siretart: yes, absolutely until there's an upstream fix [07:33] hmm, what about running the autotools at build time triggered by a patch ? [07:34] ok, then I'll upload the package for review === chiefofthejojos [~bpitcher@216.70.250.130] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:34] hey chiefofthejojos [07:34] ogra: whats the advantage of that? in my experience, this aclocal/automake stuff is quite fragile when changing versions [07:34] hi [07:37] chiefofthejojos nice to see you here :)( [07:37] hey chiefofthejojos [07:37] siretart, you sounded worried of the size ;) [07:37] <\sh> ogra: run autotools inside a dpatch-edit-patch ;) [07:37] ogra: hehe. but FTBFS make my worrying even more ;) [07:37] <\sh> thats what i did with mysql-query-browser and it was proposed by dholbach? [07:38] <\sh> or herve? [07:38] <\sh> i don't know anymore ;) [07:38] you guys make it sound so easy. When I was reading on the website how to become a MOTU it seemed difficult to do [07:38] thanks :) [07:38] ogra: that's a no-go, i got flamed for the idea at least 3 times now ;-) [07:38] ogra: ask on #ubuntu-devel and let me watch ;-))) [07:38] chiefofthejojos: did you hear of the MOTU crew before? [07:38] chiefofthejojos: difficult? [07:38] before what? [07:38] the formal process sounds difficult because it has several steps of several things to "tick off" on the list [07:38] yeah, that's what I mean [07:38] but it sounds so easy when you guys told me to go to bugzilla.ubuntu.com and fix bugs [07:38] it's easy :-) [07:38] :D [07:38] it all comes with time [07:38] if you really like to start fixing stuff or learn packaging - that's all you need first [07:39] the wish and ... patience maybe :-) [07:39] there goes ogra :( [07:39] hehe, I'm sure [07:39] and I just wanted to talk to him :(( [07:39] ivoks: he'll be back :-) [07:39] ;....( [07:39] :)) [07:39] hmm [07:39] I definitely have a wish, thanks for taking the time to explain to me dholbach [07:39] strange [07:39] ogra_d: :) [07:39] :-D [07:40] my laptop is disconnected... [07:40] <\sh> hmm btw === ivoks jumps :) [07:40] chiefofthejojos: this is the place to be :-) [07:40] ogra_d: netsplit [07:41] <\sh> what happens when I edit a wiki page right now, leave it open in edit mode, and somebody else is editing? will the wiki merge the changes? [07:41] lol, i just see it in the laptop [07:41] ogra_d: doko approoved two more sources, so, they need upload [07:41] chiefofthejojos: the channel i mean - if you read MOTUTodo on the wiki page you'll see there's a lot of action going on [07:41] chiefofthejojos: apart from the bugs, UniverseCxxTransition is a big target [07:41] ivoks, yay [07:41] yeah, I started reading about that but I didn't really understand [07:41] ogra_d: there is a chance that 2-3 more will be on my web in couple of hours :) if, doko accepts new patches :) === ogra [~ogra@p5089ED21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [~jaldhar@adsl-219-236-210.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mithrandir [~tfheen@vawad.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tseng [~tseng@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:41] it sounded like converting code from C to C++? is that right? [07:41] chiefofthejojos: no :-) [07:41] ivoks, greta, i'll be around [07:41] oh :-[ [07:42] ogra_d: okie dokie [07:42] chiefofthejojos: we'll introduce a new version of a c++ compiler [07:42] chiefofthejojos: which will break stuff === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielN [~kodiak@80-218-243-68.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:42] so, what's so different about the compiler that requires this big transition project? [07:42] chiefofthejojos: the ABI to be exact - does that mean anything to you? [07:42] sorry, don't know the acronym [07:42] hi all [07:43] chiefofthejojos: it means that binaries linked against libraries that start using g++-4.0 will stop working === metallik1p [i@pcp0011431183pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:43] <\sh> chiefofthejojos: with gcc4/g++4 the old libs and apps using those libs will become incompatible...just like in the old days between libc5 and glibc === Unfrgiven [~ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:43] if anyone has time to review my autofoo mess, here is the url: http://siretart.tauware.de/ubuntu-packages/tpb/ [07:44] <\sh> nice..breaking layout on cxx ;) [07:44] I know that libcxxtransistion has priority, but I needed the xosd support for my thinkpad ;) === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o DanielN] by ChanServ [07:44] DanielN: do you need the op now [07:44] ? [07:44] about the transition... Will the kernel really not be recompiled..? [07:45] dholbach: don't understand ? [07:45] ozamosi: i think they keep using gcc-3.4 [07:45] Why..? [07:45] so, we're just attempting to compile stuff with the new compiler, and then fixing the errors that are received? [07:45] DanielN: do you need the op now? [07:45] ozamosi: because it requires large fixing, i suppose [07:45] no, i think i don't need op here at all [07:45] DanielN: ok, could you de-op yourself please? [07:45] :) [07:46] please, deprivlige your self :) [07:46] of course! but i don't know .. is this a "misconfigurement" ? === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o DanielN] by DanielN [07:46] no it isnt [07:46] re [07:46] we just don't need ops in here [07:46] re herve [07:46]