[12:03] <billytwowilly> I'm normally from Canada...
[12:03] <Kejk_PL> steffenstrobel, hehe, thats the point why ATI should release better drivers :)
[12:04] <steffenstrobel> Kejk_PL: full ack
[12:04] <kkathman> the "lower" ATI stuff works clean, its just the higher, multi-function boards that are a little lacking in support
[12:04] <billytwowilly> The sad thing is that it's a delayed response. ATI's drivers are starting to get better, but they won't feel the loss of customers until later when their drivers are better...
[12:04] <Kejk_PL> tomorrow I will repleace Debian with Kubuntu :D
[12:04] <gsuveg> kkathman: are you irc on business travel ?
[12:05] <kkathman> billytwowilly well, keep in mind, most of them arent thinking alot about Linux either that much. Thats not where they make their money :)
[12:05] <Tm_T> kkathman o/
[12:05] <steffenstrobel> kkathman: what times is it currently in nyc?
[12:05] <Kejk_PL> kkathman, indeed
[12:05] <kkathman> with all the changes in the XP operating system, they have enough to keep up with that :)
[12:05] <kkathman> Tm_T o/
[12:05] <billytwowilly> changes in xp?
[12:06] <kkathman> steffenstrobel its 6:05 here
[12:06] <steffenstrobel> am?
[12:06] <steffenstrobel> or pm
[12:06] <kkathman> no pm
[12:06] <kkathman> Tm_T how goes it today?
[12:06] <billytwowilly> 2 hours later than here. Guess which province I'm in.
[12:06] <Kejk_PL> billytwowilly, new serve pack, new problems (always the same)
[12:06] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, I'm little bit confused, but ok
[12:06] <steffenstrobel> kkathman: thanks! in munich it's 00:06
[12:06] <kkathman> confused?
[12:07] <kkathman> billytwowilly hmm..manitoba?  or Sask ??
[12:07] <billytwowilly> 6 minutes after midnight
[12:07] <billytwowilly> kkathman: alberta.
[12:07] <kkathman> ahh off by one
[12:07] <Tm_T> 0107 here
[12:07] <steffenstrobel> billytwowilly: yes
[12:07] <nmorse> Six minutes after midnight?
[12:07] <billytwowilly> 00:06
[12:07] <kkathman> billytwowilly been to both Calgary and Baanf (sp)  very nice there :)
[12:08] <nmorse> It's like 5 pm here in Oklahoma
[12:08] <kkathman> and Edmonton , too 
[12:08] <billytwowilly> kkathman: thanks, I'm in Edmonton;) Calgary is cowtown and it sucks;)
[12:08] <kkathman> lol
[12:08] <nmorse> Did a gigantic rift open up between New York, Canada, and the Midwest?
[12:08] <nmorse> Calgary people claim it is a cowtown too
[12:08] <kkathman> nmorse we're almost neighbors, I live in North Texas
[12:08] <nmorse> Eastern OK
[12:09] <nmorse> Calgary's festival is supposed to be something else, though
[12:09] <nmorse> I love Canada
[12:09] <kkathman> thats where the Calgary Stampede is every year
[12:09] <kkathman> big event
[12:09] <nmorse> That's what it's called
[12:09] <nmorse> Knew a girl from there once
[12:09] <kkathman> yeo
[12:09] <billytwowilly> yah, that's where cowtown comes from;)
[12:09] <nmorse> Ironically I met her in California
[12:09] <kkathman> Tm_T why confused?
[12:09] <billytwowilly> A place full of hicks and their cows
[12:10] <kkathman> They call Fort Worth, Texas cowtown also
[12:10] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, maybe I should sleep more =)
[12:10] <kkathman> Tm_T sleep....goood :)
[12:11] <nmorse> Texas is about 6 inches from the sun though
[12:11] <kkathman> lol
[12:11] <kkathman> nah...not that bad
[12:11] <nmorse> Their Six Flags have water and fans going constantly to keep people alive
[12:11] <kkathman> haha
[12:12] <kkathman> but its a great place in the winter :)
[12:12] <nmorse> It's not the heat that gets you, it's the complete lack of humidity
[12:12] <Tm_T> Uriah Heep - Love Machine
[12:12] <nmorse> You wither like in the desert
[12:12] <Tm_T> yes, that's me ;p
[12:12] <kkathman> nmorse....well in some parts of Texas its low humidity...where I am..average humidity is around 55%
[12:12] <nmorse> I don't know about Texas in winter, either
[12:12] <nmorse> No snow, still cold
[12:13] <nmorse> It's just like South Carolina where I grew up
[12:13] <kkathman> its not cold much here...not like in Canada :)
[12:13] <nmorse> I like Canada though
[12:13] <nmorse> Free music downloads, because you pay the tax
[12:13] <kkathman> Oh So Carolina is very humid yes...down in Houston its very humid also
[12:13] <nmorse> Legalized weed, few homicides a year
[12:13] <nmorse> Canada has a lot going for it
[12:14] <smouche> can't complain about the weather in this neck of the woods today, eh kkathman?
[12:14] <kkathman> very nice here today smouche
[12:14] <gdh> What true geek gives a shit about the weather? :)
[12:14] <smouche> how you doin' up there in Sleepy Hollow?
[12:14] <kkathman> traffic was pretty bad tho from Newark esp around the GW Bridge
[12:14] <nmorse> In 1988, the US had 11,000 homicides involving firearms, just firearms
[12:15] <kkathman> doing ok...its very nice up here
[12:15] <nmorse> In the same year Canada had 38
[12:15] <nmorse> 30-freaking-8
[12:15] <kkathman> We in Texas are doing our best to fix that problem :)
[12:15] <gdh> http://www.chicagocrime.org/ - very cool but as per google maps, needs Firefox, etc.
[12:15] <nmorse> The most notorious serial killer in Canadian history doesn't qualify as a real serial killer
[12:16] <billytwowilly> nmorse: to quote a prof of comp sci linked on slashdot a while ago "Many of the problems with dismal performance in math and science is because of americas struggles with a large underclass"
[12:16] <kkathman> nmorse we call it the death penalty and we use it... If you kill someone in Texas, we kill you back.
[12:16] <billytwowilly> nmorse: Thats also likely the reason for the gun problems. Oh yah, and any hick with more than 1 tooth can buy one;)
[12:16] <nmorse> With a fast lane having been put in lately
[12:16] <kkathman> yep...express lane
[12:16] <nmorse> And in Texas, you can shoot a robber who's running away, but only if you doubt you'll ever see him again
[12:16] <billytwowilly> kkathman: but you guys use the death penalty in a dumb way. It's more expensive to kill the person that to lock him up for life.
[12:16] <gdh> Gandhi said 'If we take an eye for an eye, we will all end up blind' =)
[12:17] <kkathman> you kill someone and you got 3 witnesses...you go straight to the gurney
[12:17] <smouche> hence, kkathman, the amazingly low homicide rate in Texas.  Gosh, one wonders why you have anyone on death row at all down there, given it's such a deterrent.
[12:17] <billytwowilly> kkathman: pull a china nad kill the dude two weeks after he is convicted
[12:17] <kkathman> gdh ghandi was an idiot
[12:17] <kkathman> billytwowilly dont I wish
[12:17] <nmorse> That Canadian serial killer only killed two people
[12:17] <gdh> heh :)
[12:17] <billytwowilly> The death penaly isn't a deterent.
[12:17] <kkathman> but hey... everyone's deserving of a trial..but then...screw that appeals crap if you are dead to rights I say
[12:18] <smouche> of course it's not; exactly my point
[12:18] <kkathman> billytwowilly but its a drain on the economy to keep them around
[12:18] <kkathman> billytwowilly rehab doesnt work either, so...there ya go
[12:18] <nmorse> It costs less to kill people in most states than keep them for life
[12:18] <smouche> basing a decision on whether or not to kill people on economic expedience is itself homicidal.
[12:19] <nmorse> Here in Adair County, you kill someone, you spend 6 months in jail (if any time at all) and pay a fine (if you pay anything)
[12:19] <billytwowilly> kkathman: my point was that it is too expensive to kill people. It's cheaper to keep them around.
[12:19] <kkathman> billytwowilly dont be silly...if you have people that testify that they shot someone...its probably certain that they did
[12:19] <kkathman> not true
[12:19] <smouche> kkathman, you are so amazingly naive on that, I'm sorry
[12:19] <kkathman> the cost of a drug cocktain is uhmmm... around 5.50
[12:19] <smouche> eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
[12:19] <billytwowilly> kkathman: it is true. Just for the appeals costs and court costs. Forget about prison time for 12 years.
[12:20] <nmorse> Texas doesn't really do appeals
[12:20] <kkathman> thats what Im saying!!  Get an express lane :)
[12:20] <nmorse> They kind of shrug and say "You're convicted. Shut up and die!"
[12:20] <smouche> we have to settle for it for conviction, fine, but it's too thin a reed to base a decision to kill on.
[12:20] <nmorse> Oh probably, smouche
[12:20] <nmorse> Just like a Real ID card is a stupid idea
[12:20] <kkathman> shrug...well I hope no one you know, smouche, every gets murdered
[12:20] <nmorse> Tell America that
[12:21] <billytwowilly> kkathman: eyewitness are really unreliable. A couple years ago I saw a car accident and could have sworn there were 3 cars and the middle one was red and the grey one at the back ran into the first two. After looking at the accident scene I noticed there was a whole other red car in the middle;)
[12:21] <smouche> kkathman, now you're just being absurd.
[12:21] <billytwowilly> kkathman: I asked the cops about it and they said it happens like that all the time.
[12:21] <nmorse> Yep, time to move to Canada
[12:21] <nmorse> No need to get shot here with crazies like kkathman around
[12:21] <kkathman> shrug...its here to stay, so we live with it :)
[12:21] <kkathman> hey!!!
[12:22] <smouche> It's because I want a lower murder rate that I want rational strategies against crime, not emotive appeals to everyone's most violent urges
[12:22] <kkathman> Im getting a little tired of the name calling now
[12:22] <nmorse> Texas was the first state to committ a triple execution by electric chair
[12:22] <smouche> what name?
[12:22] <nmorse> With a Texan (not really, he went to Yale and crap) in the White House, I worry
[12:23] <smouche> ah well, too bad.
[12:23] <nmorse> Indeed.
[12:23] <billytwowilly> nmorse: triple execution? Did they have the guys hooked up in serial or something??
[12:23] <nmorse> I have no idea how it worked, but it was televised I think
[12:24] <billytwowilly> lol.  I would hate to be the guy on the end getting the least current.
[12:24] <billytwowilly> people = big resistors
[12:24] <nmorse> Yeah, they do
[12:24] <nmorse> But not if the current loops, really
[12:25] <nmorse> We tried an experiment in physics along those lines
[12:25] <nmorse> You can still shock the machine with the same voltage that came out of it
[12:25] <nmorse> and curren
[12:25] <nmorse> s/curren/current
[12:25] <nmorse> A lovely part of being water based creatures, really
[12:26] <nmorse> and a circuit like that is a short circuit anyway
[12:26] <nmorse> Running from a to b to c to a
[12:31] <smouche> well, I hope kkathman gets over it.  He could have just bitched us out for being off topic, and changed the subject.
[12:32] <hans_> is there a goog ftp server prog with a frontend?
[12:32] <billytwowilly> gftp
[12:32] <billytwowilly> kbear
[12:33] <billytwowilly> gftp is like ws-ftp for windows
[12:33] <billytwowilly> but better
[12:33] <billytwowilly> kbear is strange but kde centric
[12:33] <nmorse> Server program?
[12:33] <hans_> is that a ftp server or client?
[12:33] <nmorse> Like an ftp server with a graphical frontend for configuring it?
[12:33] <billytwowilly> client
[12:33] <hans_> yeah like bulletproof ftp server on windows
[12:34] <nmorse> Hmmm.
[12:34] <billytwowilly> you want a gui server?
[12:34] <billytwowilly> I dunno if they make that...
[12:34] <billytwowilly> you might be able to get a web frontend for a command line server or soemthing.
[12:34] <nmorse> There's probably a frontend for one
[12:34] <nmorse> Hang on
[12:35] <nmorse> You know, like Klamav for clamav
[12:35] <billytwowilly> the idea of a gui ftp server is kinda wrong.
[12:35] <billytwowilly> better to have the server run as a daemon
[12:35] <nmorse> Found it
[12:35] <nmorse> No, billytwowilly
[12:35] <nmorse> It's a normal daemon with a frontend for configuring it
[12:35] <nmorse> It's called pureadmin, hans_
[12:36] <hans_> is it with a grafical fontend?
[12:36] <hans_> oh yes u wrote it ;:P
[12:36] <nmorse> That's the graphical frontend for pure-ftpd
[12:36] <hans_> thx
[12:37] <nmorse> Hang on though, and tell me if it's what you need after you get it installed
[12:38] <hans_> ok ill do that
[12:39] <nmorse> Hmm, for some reason, I can't start pure-ftpd on my box. It claims address is already in use, and nmap confirms that, but it's not another pure-ftpd instance
[12:40] <nmorse> Hmm, inetd is running
[12:41] <nmorse> Hmm, inetd is in fact running pure-ftpd
[12:42] <nmorse> But perhaps pureadmin can only deal with virtual-users
[12:43] <nmorse> No, nevermind, it's working
[12:43] <nmorse> Both are
[12:43] <nmorse> Maybe I should begin writing my monologue in a text file, so I sound less like an idiot
[12:43] <nmorse> The I can just paste the lines with the problem and solution
[12:44] <nmorse> and fix typos like then being spelled the
[12:52] <Pupeno-> hello
[12:52] <Pupeno-> How much space does Ubuntu need for an initial installation (for a trial, if I like it, I'll be able to give it more space) ? is 2GB enough ?
[12:53] <Pupeno-> Kubuntu I mean.
[12:53] <Tezkah> hmm, I installed GNOIME and stuff
[12:53] <Tezkah> and my home is 2.7GB out of the space allocated
[12:53] <Tezkah> plus swap
[12:54] <Pupeno-> Tezkah: and the total ?
[12:55] <Tezkah> hmm
[12:55] <Tezkah> ah, I forgot I could check on Windows here
[12:55] <Tezkah> right now I have 3,251.5 of 9562.1 MB used on /
[12:55] <Pupeno-> mh ?
[12:55] <Tezkah> and 447mb of SWAP
[12:56] <Tezkah> I honestly dont know if you can fit it all within 2GB
[12:56] <Tezkah> you might want to try the liveCD first?
[12:56] <gabryel> tezkah u still here?
[12:56] <gabryel> :)
[12:56] <Pupeno-> Tezkah, I've tried the livecd already, but I need a longer period to really try it, having it installed.
[12:56] <Tezkah> yep
[12:57] <Tezkah> ah, yeah. Id be afraid of running out of space
[12:57] <Pupeno-> ok, I'll try to make more space then.
[12:58] <gabryel> pupeno if u run on windows try VmWare and install there ur linux to eval
[12:58] <_tony> Where can I grab kubuntu-desktop via Apt-get, aside from my CD?
[12:58] <Tezkah> "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"?
[12:58] <Tezkah> did you edit your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:59] <_tony> What should be in there? I have all the defaults, plus the universe
[12:59] <Pupeno-> gabryel: no, I don't run windows, I'm currently running Gentoo, it's on a 10GB partition and the rest of my HD (110GB) is my home. I don't want to touch my home, so, I need to shrink the Gentoo partition to leave space for kubuntu, but I want to leave a usable Gentoo (for work, just in case).
[12:59] <_tony> but it asks for the CD
[12:59] <Tezkah> are they uncommented?
[12:59] <_tony> Yes
[12:59] <Tezkah> ah, have you tried commenting out the CD?
[12:59] <gabryel> oh i see
[12:59] <_tony> Hmm. Ill do that!
[12:59] <_tony> lol
[01:00] <gabryel> how is gentoo comparing with kubuntu?
[01:01] <_tony> Well, Gentoo uses FreeBSD ports style software getting
[01:01] <_tony> Slightly different FS..
[01:01] <_tony> But you can use KDE just the same
[01:01] <_tony> very few differences
[01:01] <gabryel> i'm asking cuz i'm new with linux
[01:01] <Tezkah> Gentoo is a source oriented distro
[01:02] <gabryel> and i want to have more oppinions
[01:02] <gabryel> :)
[01:02] <gabryel> if this is not bothering
[01:02] <Tezkah> so a lot of the complaints coming from it are that you spend a lot of time compiling things
[01:02] <_tony> Well, you just use Make Install for ./usr/ports
[01:02] <nmorse> Gentoo is nice if you like simplicity, learning and don't mind compile times
[01:02] <_tony>  /usr/ports*
[01:02] <Pupeno-> gabryel: Gentoo is not for newbies, is for people that knows what they are doing and whan to tune and tweak in a poweful way.
[01:03] <nmorse> Debian and Ubuntu/Kubuntu by inheritance, are simple for the most part, but use the horrible SysV init system
[01:03] <nmorse> Though apt-get more than makes up for that
[01:03] <gabryel> well, my complaine about linux is about installing things and programs
[01:04] <nmorse> Debian also reigns supreme in supported architectures and easiest software installation
[01:04] <gabryel> ya, if u know hwo to doit
[01:04] <Pupeno-> Tezkah: that's not my complaint, I don't mind compiling everything if it just worked... the problme is when it doesn't work, when you have to spend time configuring stuff that can be pre-configured nicely (for example, in kubunto I just plug my camera and it appears on the desktop, in Gentoo it's a pain).
[01:04] <nmorse> and most software in one distro
[01:04] <Pupeno-> gabryel: technically, that makes no sense because Linux is a kernel, so it doesn't play any role on installing 'other' programs.
[01:05] <gabryel> man
[01:05] <Pupeno-> gabryel: if you had problems installing programs, it is more a distribution problem. What problems did you have ?
[01:05] <gabryel> i told u i'm new with this stuff
[01:05] <nmorse> I'd say if you complain about the way other distros install software, you really should try Debian
[01:05] <Tezkah> Pupeno-: yeah, I'm sure its a fine distro, but the people who advocate it are usually inane
[01:05] <nmorse> It's way too easy compared to all the rest
[01:05] <nmorse> and the Debianites aren't, Tezkah?
[01:06] <Tezkah> nah, because I agree with them ;)
[01:06] <nmorse> A community noted for being elitist?
[01:06] <Pupeno-> Most distributions handle software in a way far superior to other operating systems, like Windows... comparing a distro to another always end up in a bloody jigad.
[01:06] <nmorse> God I love Debian
[01:06] <smouche> Pupeno- your camera just appeared on the desktop?  Mine doesn't!  and I can't figure out why not; it's supposedly a supported model
[01:07] <Pupeno-> gabryel: it's ok, I just wanted to say that, most people make the same mistake, I've made the same mistake.
[01:07] <_tony> Whats the Apt Command for distrobution upgrade.. just distupgrade?
[01:07] <nmorse> sudo apt-get install dist-upgrade
[01:07] <_tony> thanks
[01:07] <Pupeno-> gabryel: and most problems installing software are missunderstandings of how software packaging works on Linux.
[01:08] <gabryel> see
[01:08] <Pupeno-> There, I'm making the mistake myself ;)
[01:08] <Tezkah> the truth is
[01:08] <Tezkah> you only need to know how to install one program
[01:08] <Tezkah> emacs.
[01:08] <Tezkah> its an entire OS!
[01:08] <Pupeno-> I should have said: on Linux distributions.
[01:08] <Pupeno-> Tezkah: if it (that OS) had a usable editor ;)
[01:09] <Diablo-D3> emacs is an okay OS, but I wish it had a good editor
[01:09] <Tezkah> jinx on both of you
[01:09] <Liz4rd> guess whos back
[01:09] <nmorse> emacsos is very nice if you only need to edit text files (or run lisp, or have a calculator, or need an office suite, or need a full-blown IDE)
[01:09] <Liz4rd> agian
[01:09] <Liz4rd> :P
[01:09] <Tezkah> or chat on IRC
[01:09] <nmorse> Are you seriously logged onto here using emacs?
[01:10] <Pupeno-> if you go to #lisp you'll find a lot of people using an emacs irc client :D
[01:10] <nmorse> And does emacs have the ability to embed lynx or links in it?
[01:10] <gabryel> ok other question
[01:10] <Tezkah> nmorse: I'm not using emacs, I'm on Windows right now =(
[01:11] <Pupeno-> nmorse: I believe it has its own web browser, email client and news client (so, drop firefox, konqueror, kontact, evolution and all that ;)
[01:11] <smouche> hey Liz4rd!
[01:11] <Tezkah> I just like emacs because it was the first text editor I learned how to use
[01:11] <nmorse> I knew about the email and news clients
[01:11] <Tezkah> especially since vi was so horrible
[01:11] <nmorse> I like vi
[01:11] <Tezkah> noooooo
[01:11] <gabryel> how many of u guys use a linux distro for programing?
[01:11] <Pupeno-> Tezkah: so ? when did using Windows stoped people from using emacs ?
[01:11] <nmorse> Wear you asbestos underwear, because there's going to be a flamewar
[01:11] <Tezkah> I tried it once, Pupeno-
[01:11] <Pupeno-> gabryel: I do... for a living.
[01:11] <Tezkah> RMS personally came and hit me with a stick
[01:11] <Tezkah> it hurt...
[01:11] <nmorse> gabryel: I do some on it
[01:12] <nmorse> Why?
[01:12] <Pupeno-> Tezkah: hehehe.
[01:12] <gabryel> just asking
[01:12] <nmorse> Try KDevelop
[01:12] <gabryel> what language u using?
[01:12] <nmorse> kdevelop3, specifically
[01:12] <nmorse> I mostly do Python and C++ stuff
[01:12] <Pupeno-> gabryel: Lisp, Scheme, Slate.
[01:12] <gabryel> damn
[01:12] <Diablo-D3> kdevelop3 is broken on ubuntu atm
[01:12] <nmorse> Why? What language do you use?
[01:12] <gabryel> what's that pupeno?
[01:12] <Diablo-D3> documentation is fubar
[01:13] <nmorse> Yeah, KDE-docs are
[01:13] <Pupeno-> gabryel: read what nmorse says, it's probably more useful.
[01:13] <Pupeno-> gabryel ? which one ? they are three languages.
[01:13] <Diablo-D3> nmorse: yup
[01:13] <nmorse> Lisp and Scheme aren't that seperate
[01:13] <Diablo-D3> the .toc doumentation loader doesnt work
[01:13] <Pupeno-> nmorse: ok, two and a half ?
[01:13] <gabryel> never heard of them pupeno, sorry no offence
[01:13] <nmorse> Well, that's a show-stopper
[01:14] <Diablo-D3> yeah it is
[01:14] <Pupeno-> gabryel: none taken. If you want to read some very good advocacy towards Lisp: http://www.paulgraham.com
[01:14] <Diablo-D3> and Riddell (a maintainer) already knows about it
[01:14] <nmorse> Lisp and Scheme are two languages who were way ahead of their time
[01:14] <Diablo-D3> and he knows about 425802598235908253 other bugs
[01:14] <nmorse> and never caught on because they're unusable
[01:14] <gabryel> ya thank u pupeno
[01:14] <nmorse> Scheme is based on Lisp
[01:14] <Diablo-D3> no, they didnt catch on because lisp sucks
[01:14] <gabryel> i'll try to read some
[01:15] <Diablo-D3> scheme _is_ lisp
[01:15] <Pupeno-> nmorse: today they still provide features no other language provides.
[01:15] <nmorse> I was going to say that, Diablo-D3, but I tried to be nice
[01:15] <Riddell> it's aseigo 
[01:15] <Diablo-D3> yeah, aseigo the STALKER
[01:15] <Diablo-D3> HES STALKING ME
[01:15] <nmorse> Aseigo's the maintainer?
[01:15] <Diablo-D3> STALKER!
[01:15] <Diablo-D3> SSSTAAALLLKKEEERR! *POINT!*
[01:15] <gabryel> someone use here php on linux?
[01:15] <Diablo-D3> nmorse: I god hope not
[01:15] <Diablo-D3> aseigo doesnt even use ubuntu
[01:15] <Pupeno-> gabryel: the fact that lisp sucks or not is totally a personal opinion, I love Lisp.
[01:16] <Diablo-D3> hes a gentoo kiddie
[01:16] <nmorse> Okay, then what's aseigo?
[01:16] <Diablo-D3> thats aseigo *point*
[01:16] <nmorse> Riddell said "it's aseigo"
[01:16] <gabryel> what can u do with lisp man?
[01:16] <Diablo-D3> --> aseigo (~aseigo@S01060050da7e3039.cg.shawcable.net) has joined #kubuntu
[01:16] <Diablo-D3> ^-- aseigo 
[01:16] <nmorse> Oh, silly me
[01:16] <Diablo-D3> aseigo is probably wondering why his computer is beeping like mad
[01:16] <nmorse> I knew ignoring purple messages would get me in trouble someday
[01:17] <Diablo-D3> aseigo aseigo aseigo aseigo aseigo aseigo aseigo 
[01:17] <Pupeno-> gabryel: technicall, anything. But technically, you can do anything with C, C++, Python and even Java!
[01:17] <nmorse> and ASM
[01:17] <Tezkah> Lisp cured my cnacer
[01:17] <Diablo-D3> aseigo!
[01:17] <nmorse> but not his spelling
[01:17] <Diablo-D3> aaasseeeeiiiigggoooo!
[01:17] <Pupeno-> yes, asm too.
[01:17] <Diablo-D3> aseigo, aseigo, assseegiiirrrooo!
[01:17] <nmorse> You see, for that he needs Python and it's enforced typing rules
[01:17] <Diablo-D3> *cough*
[01:18] <Tezkah> aseigo is in Calgary!
[01:18] <Pupeno-> gabryel: the right question would be: how much does it take to do something on Lisp ? and you start to walk in the hard path of comparing computer languages.
[01:18] <Diablo-D3> Tezkah: how do you know?
[01:18] <nmorse> Oh, another Canadian?
[01:18] <Tezkah> did you know that Theo De Raadt lives in Calgary?
[01:19] <Tezkah> aseigo (~aseigo@S01060050da7e3039.cg.shawcable.net)
[01:19] <Tezkah> cg = calgary
[01:19] <Diablo-D3> dude everyone lives in calgary
[01:19] <aseigo> Tezkah: yes, i do =)
[01:19] <Diablo-D3> Im waiting for linus to move up there
[01:19] <aseigo> haha
[01:19] <aseigo> portland or calgary
[01:19] <Pupeno-> Ok, I can make 3GB for Kubuntu.
[01:19] <Tezkah> I live in Lethbridge
[01:19] <aseigo> Tezkah: no shit
[01:19] <Diablo-D3> ... hrm
[01:19] <Pupeno-> That has to be enough for /
[01:19] <Diablo-D3> linus and theo in the same town
[01:19] <Diablo-D3> *boom!*
[01:19] <aseigo> Tezkah: we're practically neighbours
[01:20] <Pupeno-> Diablo-D3: add Stallman and we could forget about that country ;)
[01:20] <Diablo-D3> aseigo: go to his house and kick his ass for me
[01:20] <nmorse> No one start the whole Canadian town rivalries
[01:20] <Riddell> aseigo: isn't the openbsd conference going to be in your town?
[01:20] <Tezkah> I almost went to a LUG here
[01:20] <Tezkah> but I forgot about it
[01:20] <aseigo> Diablo-D3: haha...
[01:20] <Tezkah> too bad, I wanted to meet people with beards
[01:20] <aseigo> Riddell: is it? the hackathon? i didn't check where it was.
[01:20] <Tezkah> Diablo-D3: what have I ever done to you?
[01:20] <Diablo-D3> Pupeno-: ooh, and esr
[01:20] <aseigo> i think Diablo-D3 meant for me to go kick theo's ass
[01:20] <Pupeno-> ok, time to install kubuntu... see you in some minutes, from kubuntu.
[01:20] <Tezkah> oh, heh
[01:20] <aseigo> theo is larger than me =)
[01:21] <Diablo-D3> Yes, I meant go kick theo's ass
[01:21] <Tezkah> theo is larger than 10 people!
[01:21] <aseigo> and he's a rock climber / mount biker. he'd kicker my ass. unless i brought a bat.
[01:21] <Diablo-D3> theo needs his ass kicked every once in awhile
[01:21] <nmorse> With a bat preferably
[01:21] <aseigo> no, theo is more opinionated that any 10 peple
[01:21] <Pupeno-> bye
[01:21] <Diablo-D3> s/10/100/
[01:21] <aseigo> Pupeno-: see ya
[01:21] <Diablo-D3> hell, s/10/1000/
[01:21] <Diablo-D3> lets be realisitc even, s/10/10000/
[01:21] <nmorse> Theo is very arrogant too
[01:21] <aseigo> Tezkah: if you ever come into calgary, look me up. we'll do beer or something.
[01:21] <saem> Hi.
[01:21] <nmorse> With the ego of 1000 Chinese
[01:22] <Diablo-D3> Theo borders on RMS arrogance
[01:22] <Diablo-D3> nmorse: s/1000/entire nation of/
[01:22] <aseigo> except that theo still codes like a fucking madman
[01:22] <Saem> OBSD Theo, I take it.
[01:22] <nmorse> s/Chinese/China/ then
[01:22] <aseigo> Saem: the same
[01:22] <Diablo-D3> s/fucking madman/motherfucker/
[01:22] <Saem> hah.
[01:22] <Tezkah> I'm running GNU/Windows right now, according to RMS
[01:22] <Diablo-D3> hah
[01:22] <Tm_T> :p
[01:22] <nmorse> RMS is an f'ing madman
[01:23] <Diablo-D3> I'm runing GNU/Pile of Shit
[01:23] <aseigo> ever since MILFing became acceptable, motherfucker just doesn't sound as horrible.
[01:23] <nmorse> No joke
[01:23] <nmorse> Something's f'ed up with that turn in society
[01:23] <Diablo-D3> RMS is only slightly more of a flaming egotistical fuckwad than Theo
[01:23] <Diablo-D3> nmorse: the phrase, however, is "code like a motherfucker"
[01:23] <aseigo> RMS isn't egotistical
[01:23] <aseigo> he's highly ideological
[01:23] <aseigo> there's a diference
[01:23] <aseigo> both are annoying
[01:23] <Saem> Said flaming egotistical fuckwads have contributed a lot to society, so they're not all bad.
[01:23] <Diablo-D3> aseigo: hes egotistical too
[01:24] <gabryel> thanks guys for infos
[01:24] <gabryel> cya
[01:24] <Diablo-D3> aseigo: simply tell him emacs sucks, he'll go balistic
[01:24] <nmorse> So being very outspoken and claiming your opinion carries the weight of the entire community isn't egotistical?
[01:24] <aseigo> Diablo-D3: if i could ever get around his ideology, i might've noticed. ;)
[01:24] <nmorse> Egotistical people are very productive
[01:24] <aseigo> Diablo-D3: tell him xemacs is better ;P
[01:24] <nmorse> You just have to attach their name to their stuff
[01:24] <Diablo-D3> aseigo: oooh, salt into the wound
[01:25] <Saem> blah, tell him gcc sucks and llvm will kick it in the teeth ten times over in short order.
[01:25] <Diablo-D3> aseigo: just tell him "... and I use viper with it" he'd fucking croak
[01:25] <aseigo> "you know, Richard.. can i call you Dick? you know, Dick, the best thing that ever happened to emacs, other than vim, was xemacs. truly."
[01:25] <Tm_T> liplap
[01:25] <Diablo-D3> Saem: er, except everyone knows gcc sucks
[01:25] <Tm_T> haha
[01:25] <RMS> I hear you guys talking about me
[01:25] <RMS> stop it.
[01:25] <Diablo-D3> Tezkah: ...
[01:25] <smouche> Please don't Hurd his feelings, guys
[01:25] <Saem> Diablo-D3: Don't ruin my fun!
[01:25] <aseigo> Saem: i don't know if you cuaght the point of llvm =)
[01:25] <Tm_T> smouche o/
[01:25] <Diablo-D3> Tezkah: change your ident dumbass.
[01:25] <aseigo> and no, gcc doesn't suck.. it's just slow.
[01:25] <aseigo> (to compile... well, c++ anyways)
[01:25] <Tezkah> too lazy
[01:26] <Diablo-D3> hah
[01:26] <Diablo-D3> gcc does suck
[01:26] <aseigo> smouche: groan
[01:26] <Diablo-D3> hell, I hang out with gcc developers
[01:26] <Diablo-D3> .... gah!
[01:26] <Diablo-D3> die!
[01:26] <aseigo> compared with a lot of other compilers, gcc is just fine
[01:26] <Saem> GCC is fantastic compared to a lot of other stuff.
[01:26] <Diablo-D3> as I was saying, I hang out with gcc developers
[01:26] <smouche> yeah well, as soon as I typed it I realized it had to be about as original as snot.
[01:26] <Diablo-D3> and even they say its horrible
[01:27] <Diablo-D3> originality and god are both dead
[01:27] <Diablo-D3> and not in that order
[01:27] <Saem> So in anycase, I needs me a new distro, preamble: I love suse, but suse personal is about the only suse I'm willing to install (1 cd) and well, it hasn't been updated in a while, the kernel is getting stale.
[01:27] <aseigo> well, except that there was a time that there were original things
[01:28] <Saem> In short I need to upgrade.
[01:28] <aseigo> Saem: yes, personal has been dropped.
[01:28] <Diablo-D3> Saem: kubuntu away
[01:28] <Saem> =(
[01:28] <aseigo> going from SUSE to kubuntu will be a shock
[01:28] <Diablo-D3> aseigo: yeah, like 10k years ago
[01:28] <Saem> I would imagine.
[01:28] <aseigo> no system tools. more package breakages.
[01:28] <Saem> SUSE is fantastic.
[01:28] <Diablo-D3> yeah, its like going from windows to linux.
[01:28] <Diablo-D3> aseigo: wtf crack are you on
[01:28] <Saem> No offense, it's just been around longer and seems to have more behind it.
[01:29] <Diablo-D3> ubuntu has a ton of system tools
[01:29] <Diablo-D3> Saem: er, not quite
[01:29] <Diablo-D3> Saem: remember, ubuntu started from debian
[01:29] <aseigo> heh. yes, put it next to yast and things rapidly degenerate
[01:29] <Diablo-D3> Saem: and debian is _way_ older than ubuntu
[01:29] <aseigo> so is windows, and it still sucks. ;)
[01:29] <Diablo-D3> infact, debian is _way_ older than almost everything
[01:29] <aseigo> slackware.
[01:29] <Saem> Diablo-D3: That's keen, I really am not to keen on debating this, but YaST is amazing and really that's what it comes down to for me.
[01:30] <Diablo-D3> yeah, slackware is as old as debian
[01:30] <Diablo-D3> wtf is yast?
[01:30] <Saem> I'm thinking gentoo, but I realised, I'd like to use my box this year.
[01:30] <smouche> yast is, what, packaging system for Suse?
[01:30] <Diablo-D3> Saem++
[01:30] <aseigo> Diablo-D3: wtf is yast? those system tools i mentioned that were missing for debian/ubuntu/kubuntu/etc? yeah, that's yast
[01:30] <Saem> YaST = Yet another System Tool.
[01:31] <Diablo-D3> so yast is a clone of system tools?
[01:31] <Diablo-D3> ubuntu already comes with system tools
[01:31] <Saem> I don't think so.
[01:31] <aseigo> Diablo-D3: no. it's SUSE's own thing. and it's pretty much the best set of tools on Linux.
[01:31] <aseigo> Diablo-D3: i'm saying this as a user of both of these OSes =)
[01:31] <Diablo-D3> aseigo: sounds lame
[01:31] <Diablo-D3> and probably cant beat what gnome in ubuntu comes with
[01:31] <aseigo> oh, it does.
[01:31] <aseigo> handily.
[01:31] <Diablo-D3> I doubt it
[01:32] <Diablo-D3> and Im really doubting it can beat what I use
[01:32] <Saem> Diablo-D3: Let's call it personal preference.
[01:32] <Diablo-D3> Vim. Beat that motherfuckers
[01:32] <aseigo> seeing as you didn't even know what yast is, and i'm using both in my daily work..... whose probably in the better position here? -)
[01:32] <Diablo-D3> aseigo: vim > *
[01:32] <Diablo-D3> so have a nice cup of stfu.
[01:32] <aseigo> lol
[01:33] <Saem> Look, my epenis is bigger than yours! =P  So let's move on.
[01:33] <Saem> ;)
[01:34] <aseigo> penises.
[01:34] <dell500> pen15
[01:35] <aseigo> woah. ok. now THAT wasthe wierdest answering machine message i've ever received from a non-drunk-person / non-ex-lover ever
[01:35] <Diablo-D3> heh
[01:35] <aseigo> some person that knows my mom from Hawaii (and thinks my name is eric?) phone saying that she's here in town because her sister in law was diagnosed with breast cancer
[01:36] <Diablo-D3> aseigo: quickly, blog about it!
[01:36] <aseigo> and that she needs to either get to new york or hawaii, and that she heard i'm really good with computers, could i help her find a ticket online
[01:36] <aseigo> "hello. this is the twilight zone calling."
[01:36] <Diablo-D3> hahah eric wtf
[01:37] <Diablo-D3> maybe she saw the beard and instantly thought 'yet another eric'
[01:37] <Saem> eric and aaron aren't too far apart, sorta, say over a really bad telephone connection.
[01:37] <aseigo> now, i've had wierd msgs from people who were clearly insane and/or high (some have been my friends even ;), but yeah..jesus.
[01:37] <aseigo> Diablo-D3: haha
[01:38] <smouche> alright, if any of you religious warriors are willing to dumb things down for the benifit of a noob, what's the best route for me to take if I want to learn linux from scratch (or nearly), Gentoo, slack, debian?
[01:38] <Diablo-D3> smouche: lfs
[01:38] <smouche> lfs?  ok, googling... 
[01:38] <smouche> heh heh
[01:39] <Saem> Actually, FreeBSD.
[01:39] <smouche> linux from scratch, eh.  Well, that sounds right!  Thanks, Diablo-D3 
[01:39] <Saem> Then come to linux.
[01:39] <Saem> The handbook is awesome.
[01:39] <smouche> oh oh
[01:39] <Diablo-D3> Saem: bah
[01:40] <smouche> I actually have an old FreeBSD book around here, should dig it out.
[01:40] <Saem> Diablo-D3: I found it made things easier. =P
[01:40] <smouche> I recall it was very informative on hardware.
[01:40] <Saem> You don't need that, just use the freebsd handbook online, assuming you have a second machine.
[01:40] <Saem> Or can dl it to a pda or some such.
[01:41] <smouche> yep, I've got a couple of machines to devote to the cause, and I'm patient.
[01:41] <Diablo-D3> or dead tree it
[01:41] <Saem> Ick.
[01:41] <Saem> Print outs, how passe.
[01:41] <smouche> dead tree?
[01:41] <smouche> oh doh!
[01:41] <smouche> I kill enough trees just wiping my butt.
[01:42] <Saem> Please, keep that to yourself.
[01:42] <smouche> too late.
[01:42] <Saem> I meant for the future.
[01:42] <smouche> ok
[01:42] <Diablo-D3> hes got a point
[01:42] <smouche> glad to know it.
[01:43] <Tm_T> butt-er
[01:44] <Saem> butter face?
[01:44] <Tm_T> yes you are
[01:44] <Saem> =(
[01:44] <Tm_T> =)
[01:44] <Saem> Everything is good but-her-face?
[01:44] <Diablo-D3> =|
[01:44] <Tm_T> haha
[01:44] <Saem> butter face
[01:44] <Saem> That's how it works.
[01:44] <smouche> Hmm, Alberta seems to be a theme this evening; lfs mirrors out there...
[01:44] <Saem> Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
[01:46] <Saem> ftp://ftp.oregonstate.edu/pub  For west coasters, this mirror is hella fast!
[01:47] <smouche> Tm_T, first milk, now butter?  What's next, cheese?
[01:48] <Tm_T> smouche: hmm, whole cow maybe?
[01:48] <Saem> Mr. T, the farmer!
[01:49] <Tm_T> rrrright
[01:56] <smouche> Tm_T, skip the cow and just eat the grass.  Better for you.
[01:57] <smouche> I miss cows.  Only cows I've seen in a long time were sculptures, all over New York.
[01:58] <regeya> yes.  go vegan.  all those emaciated vegans you see should lead you to believe that the vegan lifestyle is healthier.
[01:58] <Pupeno> Hello from Kubuntu!
[01:59] <Pupeno> Installed on my hard disk.
[01:59] <Riddell> Pupeno: congratulations
[01:59] <Pupeno> What' s the kubuntu way to set up a gateway/firewall ?
[01:59] <brandonn> I use firestarter
[01:59] <Riddell> Pupeno: the kubuntu way is not to, since there's nothing to firewall
[01:59] <Saem> It's Kongratulations.
[02:01] <Riddell> otherwise http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#guarddog
[02:01] <regeya> what a useful comment
[02:04] <Pupeno> Riddell: ok, 'gateway' then.
[02:04] <brandonn> anyone use 802.11g with k/ubuntu?
[02:05] <Diablo-D3> heh
[02:05] <Diablo-D3> I like shorewall myself
[02:06] <transgress> grar... i hate people who ask how much you make... like it's any of their fucking business... 
[02:06] <Diablo-D3> transgress: how much do you make?
[02:06] <brandonn> the average person is more willing to talk about sex than money...
[02:06] <transgress> Diablo-D3: eh you're a special case... i hate you already ;)
[02:06] <Diablo-D3> damn
[02:06] <Diablo-D3> transgress: you're no fun
[02:06] <transgress> i'm more willing to talk about sex than money because i'm less likely to be raped than robbed
[02:07] <Diablo-D3> yeah, but being raped by a chick is fun
[02:07] <Diablo-D3> if you're into that whole kind of thing, I mean
[02:07] <Saem> It's not rape if it's consentual.
[02:07] <transgress> ^ it's true
[02:07] <transgress> the consentual thing
[02:08] <Tezkah> "Grrr! A popup blocker may be preventing Gmail from opening the page.  If you have a popup blocker, tryi disabling it to open the Wwindow"
[02:08] <Diablo-D3> see, you know what I hate?
[02:08] <brandonn> it's amazing what people say if you just throw out an odd fact... :)
[02:08] <Diablo-D3> chicks that just lay there in bed
[02:08] <Diablo-D3> the kind that dont move or make sounds or anything
[02:10] <brandonn> smack them around a bit, eventually they'll make a sound...
[02:10] <transgress> i mean there is just no kind way to say to someone "yeah... well umm... i make in a week what you make in a month."  especially when the guy does shit for you... like mow your lawn and work on your car... because all of a sudden what costed $30 is gonna be $40...
[02:11] <Diablo-D3> heh
[02:11] <Diablo-D3> money is overrated
[02:11] <Diablo-D3> once you're making over $75k or so, it stops mattering
[02:12] <othernoob> i downloaded the 2.6.11-1-686-smp kernel via kynaptic and when using ubuntu with it, it freezes after a few minutes
[02:12] <smouche> heh, yeah, I made the mistake of telling my landlord what I was paying for cable, and I could see the wheels turning in his head
[02:12] <Diablo-D3> actually, that depends where you are
[02:12] <smouche> like, it must be time for a rent increase...
[02:12] <Diablo-D3> in Maine, its around $60k
[02:12] <Diablo-D3> in NYC, its around $100k
[02:12] <Diablo-D3> smouche: how much do you pay for cable?
[02:12] <brandonn> In Oklahoma it's around $30k
[02:12] <transgress> i'm not a fan of money, but i live in a capitalist country... so i kind of rely on it while i want things...
[02:13] <Diablo-D3> brandonn: hah, oklahoma is about where maine is
[02:13] <othernoob> what can i do to prevent this ?
[02:13] <smouche> too damn much Diablo-D3
[02:13] <Diablo-D3> smouche: good answer
[02:15] <transgress> so star wars rocked
[02:15] <transgress> i was very impressed
[02:15] <Diablo-D3> shush
[02:15] <Diablo-D3> most people havent seen it yet
[02:15] <transgress> i'm not spoiling it
[02:15] <transgress> although it's kind of like the passion
[02:15] <Diablo-D3> yes, but dont get their hopes up
[02:15] <transgress> only a real moron doesn't know the ending
[02:16] <transgress> well let me change that
[02:16] <brandonn> I read the last 5 pages of the book in the store
[02:16] <transgress> in the case of the passion... only a real moron or a very lucky person doesn't know the end
[02:16] <smouche> spoiler alert!  Annikin Skywalker is actually .... 
[02:16] <smouche> !
[02:16] <Diablo-D3> I want to get ep1, 2, and 3 on dvd
[02:16] <Diablo-D3> and watch it in the order of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6
[02:16] <Diablo-D3> it should be a real trip
[02:16] <smouche> ep1 was one of the all time worst movies I've seen.
[02:17] <brandonn> it pretty much sucked for anyone over 9
[02:17] <Diablo-D3> it sucked for everyone under 9 too
[02:17] <smouche> exactly.  Lucas phoned in the direction.
[02:17] <brandonn> I don't know, my kids (6) loved it
[02:17] <smouche> hard to believe he'd even seen a movie before, much less made some good ones.
[02:17] <Diablo-D3> it probably sucked if you were exactly 9 too
[02:17] <transgress> yeah
[02:18] <transgress> anyone over nine?
[02:18] <transgress> oh
[02:18] <brandonn> would have been better if he just came up with the basic story, and let someone actually talented do the rest
[02:18] <smouche> If you can make Liam Neeson look lost and clueless and bored, that's some achievement.
[02:18] <Diablo-D3> Jedi: Lost, Clueless, and Bored in Las Vegas
[02:18] <transgress> ep1... eh i didn't find ep1 as annoying, but i put up with more annoying people than jar jar... i didn't find it up to par with the originals definitely... but eh didn't piss me off as much as everyone else
[02:19] <Diablo-D3> I heard lucas wants to remix ep1
[02:19] <Diablo-D3> and remove jar jar
[02:19] <smouche> brandonn, you're exactly right.  Lucas is a brilliant production designer.  That's it.
[02:19] <smouche> jar jar at least seemed to be in the thing for the fun of it, rather than just the paycheck!
[02:20] <Saem> Lucas did everything right except two things.  Introduce comedy (jar-jar and ewoks) and he wrote the dialoge
[02:20] <smouche> kind of like Star Wars original cast
[02:20] <Diablo-D3> ewoks wernt so bad
[02:20] <Diablo-D3> they atleast fit
[02:20] <transgress> i gotta say ep3 pulls shit together really well.. and it is really a good movie for current events too
[02:20] <Diablo-D3> and did something towards the plot
[02:20] <brandonn> R2 and C3PO were the only comedy needed
[02:20] <Diablo-D3> r2 isnt even really comedy
[02:20] <Saem> Yeah, and they were awesome.
[02:20] <smouche> transgress, yeah, it's been getting great reviews
[02:20] <Diablo-D3> hes the straight man to c3po's spaz
[02:21] <smouche> r2 was always my favorite character.
[02:21] <Diablo-D3> its funny though
[02:21] <Diablo-D3> r2 is like one of the oldest characters still alive
[02:21] <smouche> his dialogue has always been so much less stilted than the others.
[02:22] <Diablo-D3> infact
[02:22] <Diablo-D3> he _is_ the oldest character alive
[02:22] <Diablo-D3> period
[02:22] <transgress> what episode did he come around in?
[02:22] <Diablo-D3> episode 0
[02:22] <smouche> episode 4
[02:22] <transgress> ...
[02:23] <transgress> neither of you helped
[02:23] <smouche> er, what "episode" is Star Wars (orig) anyway, in the timeline
[02:23] <Diablo-D3> but yes, he was constructed before episode 1
[02:23] <Diablo-D3> hes older than c3po
[02:23] <Saem> Wasn't R2 supposedly around during the droid wars?
[02:23] <Diablo-D3> Saem: ... duh.
[02:23] <transgress> older than obi wan?
[02:23] <Saem> Yes.
[02:23] <Diablo-D3> he was an astromech droid on queen amadala's chrome plated ship
[02:23] <Diablo-D3> transgress: no
[02:24] <Diablo-D3> but obiwan is dead
[02:24] <smouche> R2 is actually God.  Threepio is John the Baptist.
[02:24] <Diablo-D3> so obiwan is dead, yoda is dead, vader is dead...
[02:24] <smouche> Princess Leia's hair is the antiChrist.
[02:24] <transgress> oh yeah
[02:24] <Diablo-D3> han and chewie wernt born yet
[02:24] <transgress> it's been so long since i've seen the others
[02:24] <Diablo-D3> luke and leia wernt born yet
[02:24] <transgress> i really need to watch the originals 
[02:24] <transgress> again
[02:24] <Diablo-D3> and c3po gets his memory wiped before episode 4
[02:25] <Diablo-D3> so r2 ends up being the oldest character alive
[02:25] <othernoob> so nobody has an idea ?
[02:25] <transgress> othernoob: didnt' see your question... was too busy channeling the force
[02:25] <othernoob> lol
[02:25] <smouche> has it been the same anorexic actor inside threepio all this time?
[02:25] <othernoob> i downloaded the 2.6.11-1-686-smp kernel via kynaptic and when using ubuntu with it, it freezes after a few minutes
[02:25] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: then dont use it
[02:26] <transgress> maybe it's got some kind of hardware conflict... try the non smp
[02:26] <transgress> othernoob: what proc and mobo?
[02:26] <othernoob> transgress: possible. but i was using the smp kernel in fc3 for 6 weeks without probs 
[02:26] <Diablo-D3> are you even on a smp machine?
[02:27] <othernoob> p4 3.2 ghz 512kb cache , mobo asus p4p800d
[02:27] <Diablo-D3> is it a dual core?
[02:27] <Diablo-D3> or a hyperthreading one?
[02:27] <othernoob> ht
[02:27] <Diablo-D3> try booting the unsmp one
[02:27] <Diablo-D3> iirc ht still works
[02:28] <othernoob> i'll have to get the normal 2.6.11 first..
[02:29] <transgress> apt-get!
[02:29] <Diablo-D3> porn-get!
[02:29] <transgress> that's a nice idea Diablo-D3 
[02:29] <transgress> that's actually a really cool idea
[02:29] <Diablo-D3> already exists
[02:29] <transgress> really?
[02:29] <Diablo-D3> yeah
[02:29] <transgress> figures
[02:29] <transgress> where at?  can i get it via apt-get?
[02:29] <transgress> ;)
[02:29] <Diablo-D3> comes with the linux distro lesbian
[02:29] <transgress> but does it really get porn?
[02:30] <othernoob> there's really a distro called lesbian ? :o
[02:30] <transgress> yes
[02:30] <othernoob> :O
[02:30] <Saem> Yeah, lesbian linux has been around for a long time.
[02:30] <transgress> debian based right?
[02:30] <othernoob> never seen or heard of it
[02:31] <transgress> has i was wearing my debian shirt today and the d was covered and a couple people were like "does that say lesbian"?
[02:31] <smouche> based more on Deb than on Ian, one presumes.
[02:31] <Diablo-D3> smouche: touche
[02:31] <smouche> touche pas le smouche
[02:31] <othernoob> rebooting...
[02:35] <smouche> I wonder how many people right now are googling "lesbian linux".
[02:36] <Diablo-D3> entirely too many
[02:36] <transgress> i don't think there are even lesbian linux ISO's anymore...
[02:37] <Razor-X> well
[02:37] <Razor-X> other than lesbian linux
[02:37] <Razor-X> we can also talk about how... Dart Sidious made Windows!
[02:37] <Diablo-D3> Dart.
[02:37] <Razor-X> (conjoinging #Ubuntu and #Kubuntu)
[02:37] <Razor-X> *Darth
[02:38] <transgress> conjoining?
[02:38] <frank> anybody here running kubuntu64 ?  I have major kaffeine problems
[02:38] <Razor-X> conversation topics
[02:38] <transgress> ah okay i gotcha... i was like... eh but...
[02:38] <transgress> frank: what kind of kaffeine problems?  
[02:39] <frank> it crashes on everything I throw at it
[02:39] <darkaudit> Tarentino is a sick bastard...
[02:39] <transgress> tarentino is awesome
[02:39] <Razor-X> i'll aske the same question I asked in Ubuntu, and another one "A) Is there any good non-caffeinated items that can keep me awake and B) I've been trying to instal GTK-QT, but it's not working
[02:40] <Razor-X> Tarentino rawks ;)
[02:40] <othernoob> the normal 2.6.11-686 kernel freezes as well.. :/
[02:40] <Razor-X> *Are there
[02:40] <darkaudit> Razor-X: yeah... but that last scene on CSI was a bit much :)
[02:40] <transgress> frank: that's probably because the kaffeine package in apt isn't all that great... could grab the source package and compile it yourself... probably work better to be honest.  i grabbed a different one for x86 off the forums
[02:41] <othernoob> i just noticed though, that upon booting the 686 kernels, i get a vfs: ext3 on hda3 error, which i dont get with the 2.6.10-386 kernel
[02:41] <othernoob> i dont even use ext3 :/
[02:41] <frank> transgress, I know which one you mean for x86 but I dont know if compiling myself would be any better
[02:42] <transgress> frank: could be... 
[02:44] <othernoob> transgress: any idea ?
[02:45] <transgress> nope
[02:45] <transgress> sorry
[02:45] <othernoob> mmh, hda3 is / with reiserfs, :-/
[02:46] <smouche> Does anyone on here use Eterm or aterm, by any chance?
[02:49] <transgress> othernoob: ah... it's from LVM i think that is tossing that error, because iirc lvm doesn't work on reiser
[02:50] <othernoob> which means ?
[02:51] <transgress> turn off the lvm module at boot
[02:52] <othernoob> how ? 
[02:55] <transgress> eh i'm not actually sure w/o doing a custom... give me a sec...
[02:55] <othernoob> sure :)
[02:56] <transgress> actually now that i think about it, you could probably remove LVM with apt and that'd do it
[02:56] <transgress> i think that's safe... and no one is correcting me
[02:57] <othernoob> no one is talking either lol
[02:58] <transgress> othernoob: you can also sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/*lvm*
[02:58] <transgress> but yeah it is safe as long as you aren't using LVM's...  and btw doing the above will be done if you use apt to remove it.
[02:58] <othernoob> says not possible... file or dir not found
[03:00] <othernoob> lvm = logical volumes right? i only have 4 partitions on hda so they're all primary
[03:01] <transgress> yes
[03:01] <othernoob> uhm, the apt command would be ? 
[03:01] <transgress> apt-get remove lvm2 lvm10 lvm-common
[03:03] <othernoob> okay done. ill reboot now and see if i get that ext3 message again and then go to bed. thanks a lot :)
[03:04] <othernoob> night :)
[03:05] <Saem> Laters
[03:09] <othernoob> meh, still get the VFS: cant find ext3 on hda3 error with the 686 kernel
[03:10] <othernoob> going to bed anyway, night
[03:46] <NTolerance> Kubuntu runs so much better for me after installing Ubuntu first
[03:51] <mr_roboto> Razor-X: for gtk-qt, you have to change the config for gtk styles and fonts, then change it back again for it to take effect (in control center). is that your problem? i had that one, was confusing
[04:02] <Tm_T> hullo
[04:08] <transgress> howdy
[04:19] <Tm_T> can't sleep
[04:19] <Tm_T> it must be the light
[04:19] <Razor-X> mr_roboto: tried that, with GTK-QT
[04:20] <Razor-X> I seem to have two entries in my Control Center, and neither one works
[04:21] <Tm_T> plah, it's daylight already, 0521
[04:22] <Tm_T> sun raised ~0320
[04:23] <Tm_T> sorry, 0350
[04:23] <GameCat> hi
[04:23] <GameCat> can anyone tell me why gam_server is eating 94% cpu here?
[04:24] <Razor-X> well, my timezone is (at the moment because of DST) GMT-7
[04:24] <Razor-X> normally though, GMT-8
[04:24] <Tm_T> :)
[04:25] <Tm_T> I think I can't sleep because of the light
[04:37] <mr_roboto> Razor-X: did you switch both the style and font, hit apply, then switch them back and hit apply again? hitting the 'apply' actually saves the info to the criticcal file
[04:42] <brazmetal> hello.
[04:42] <brazmetal> hey does anybody know where I can find a gaim 1.3 debian package?
[04:46] <_nate> you could try alien on the rpm if you can't find it
[04:48] <JohninMT> what are the advantages of gaim 1.3
[04:48] <JohninMT> over 1.14 or whatever comes installed
[04:50] <Tm_T> 1.3?
[04:51] <brazmetal> JohninMT, i don't know.... I will install using autopackage
[04:52] <Tm_T> oh!
[04:53] <JohninMT> ok...I am using gaim now...
[04:53] <JohninMT> so did you find a deb package
[04:53] <brazmetal> I found
[04:54] <brazmetal> debian.org ehehhee
[04:54] <brazmetal> http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gaim/gaim_1.3.0-1_i386.deb
[04:54] <JohninMT> cool...I think I will give it a try too...
[04:56] <JohninMT> I installed KDE through synaptic....the kubuntu one....is there a samba browser available.   I do not see smb4k in synaptic
[04:57] <Tm_T> JohninMT: konqi
[04:57] <JohninMT> konqi.... ok ty
[05:00] <Pupeno> JohninMT: smb://localhost
[05:01] <transgress> it makes me sad that some ass made a karamba theme that shows the current terror alert
[05:01] <Pupeno> Is there a program to configure a firewall (iptables) that doesn't need to be running itself ?
[05:05] <JohninMT> I am new to Kubuntu.  I have used MEPIS for the past year.   I am not too comfortable with MEPIS new commercial direction......so,  I am think I need to add some repositories what should be added and what is the procedure?
[05:06] <Tm_T> ehh
[05:06] <Tm_T> JohninMT: topic ;)
[05:06] <JohninMT> topic?
[05:07] <Pupeno> JohninMT: that means, read the topic. I believe.
[05:07] <JohninMT> ok
[05:07] <JohninMT> well thanks for your help...I will go read... ;)
[05:08] <Pupeno> Ok, on Gentoo I had /etc/init.d/iptables to start, stop 'my' firewall, which is just a bunch of iptables rules, is there something similar on kubuntu ?
[05:08] <Tm_T> yes?
[05:09] <Tm_T> try firestarter, it's fine and easy (g)ui
[05:09] <Pupeno> Tm_T: that's what I'm using, that's not what I want.
[05:09] <Tm_T> heh
[05:09] <Pupeno> or maybe yes.
[05:16] <Pupeno> ok, I installed guarddog, but I don't want it... when I installed it, it asked to install another package, how do I remove that package ?
[05:17] <transgress> Pupeno: deborphan
[05:18] <Pupeno> transgress: thanks.
[05:18] <transgress> np
[05:24] <_tony> I'm using Kopete for MSN messenger at the moment.. and when I log in, with and without KWallet, It says invalid password. I check the password on Windows MSN mess, and its correct, and the same as the stored Kwallet pass. Any ideas? i tried reinstalling kopete to no avail.
[05:25] <_tony> I also tried a seperate account, no luck
[05:29] <transgress> _tony: is it the right username?
[05:31] <Tm_T> hmm, afaik kopete needs update to connect msn
[05:31] <Tm_T> changes from M$ ] ;=
[05:32] <Pupeno> How do I configure the start up services ?
[05:33] <_tony> Trangress, Yes, and TM_T, what?
[05:38] <transgress> i connect to msn from kopete all the time
[05:39] <mrmanic|afk> transgress: in the last 2 days?
[05:40] <transgress> oh wow... guess i haven't in the last two days... i normally use jabber to connect to msn when i want on it... but kopete to send files
[05:40] <transgress> msn sucks balls anyways.
[05:40] <mrmanic> yeah, but like any chat protocol, if you've got people on it, you use it.
[05:41] <transgress> i suppose
[05:41] <transgress> i'll be back in a few... gonna take a power nap
[05:43] <brazmetal> does anybody know what is "gamin" for ?
[05:45] <phxguy> anyone know how to get a screenshot of the KDM Login Screen.. I already have Xnest installed
[05:53] <Tm_T> _tony: yup, ubuntus kopete can't connect to msn server
[05:53] <Tm_T> but hey, new Gaim <3
[06:05] <phxguy> Im having the same issue all day with Kopete and Stupid msn
[06:05] <phxguy> figured it was something with the service
[06:05] <Ghetek> i want to format a hard drive into fat32 it is ntfs... help?
[06:06] <brazmetal> hey a question
[06:07] <sirukin> http://uzimonkey.reboot-robot.net/anything/ubuntukkake.jpeg
[06:08] <Ghetek> ...
[06:08] <brazmetal> in other distributions, using the newers versions of kde, when a application freezes, and you try to close it, a dialog appers asking if I wish to kill the app.... but in kubuntu it does not happen... Why?
[06:08] <mrmanic> brazmetal: it works for me.
[06:09] <mrmanic> sirukin: that's both cute AND horrifying
[06:09] <brazmetal> :(
[06:09] <brazmetal> mrmanic, are you sure?
[06:10] <mrmanic> brazmetal: when I try to close a frozen app, <15 seconds later, the popup comes up offering to kill it for me.
[06:10] <sirukin> :[
[06:10] <brazmetal> :(
[06:10] <brazmetal> any idea?
[06:13] <Tm_T> sirukin: ...
[06:14] <sirukin> don't blame me.
[06:14] <Tm_T> I blame you
[06:15] <Tm_T> I just ask why
[06:17] <i3dmaster> how to set up startup apps in KDE?
[06:19] <Ghetek> Could not mount device:
[06:19] <Ghetek> The reported error was:
[06:19] <Ghetek> mount: only root can mount /dev/hdb1 on /media/windows1
[06:19] <Ghetek> i tried to format it in qtparted and now i cant get in.
[06:46] <Tm_T> i3dmaster: hmm, ~/.kde/autostart or something
[06:47] <Tm_T>  ~/.kde/Autostart/
[07:06] <fallstorm> hmm... is there a spiffy easy package I can install to get flash working with konq?
[07:09] <Tm_T> heh
[07:10] <Tm_T> apt flashplugin-nonfree ?
[07:11] <i3dmaster> Tm_T: ok thanks, I will try that.
[07:11] <fallstorm> ah, that'd do it... thanks
[08:18] <Tezkah> wow, IRSSI is so nice with netsplits
[08:29] <Tm_T> Tezkah: hmm?
[08:29] <Tm_T> splitsplats :p
[08:43] <Tezkah> 00:09 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Nakkel, psn
[08:43] <Tezkah> mIRC just shows each and every user exiting
[08:49] <Tm_T> haha
[08:49] <Tm_T> I knew mIRC sucks, but that was new =)
[09:29] <Gavrila> hi guys, my msn login in kopete doesn't work anymore, it says password is wrong .... anyone ?
[09:30] <Tm_T> Gavrila: well, MS "updated" their servers, you have to update kopete or use another IM client
[09:31] <Tm_T> some others work, some don't
[09:31] <Gavrila> has kopete been updated? I tried with apt-get -t breezy install kopete but nothing happened :D
[09:31] <Tm_T> =)
[09:31] <Tm_T> I don't know if it's updated in repos
[09:31] <Tm_T> I don't use kopete myself
[09:32] <Gavrila> I see
[09:32] <Gavrila> thanks for the info
[09:32] <Tm_T> but Gaim work fine <3
[09:32] <Tm_T> s/work/works
[09:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> gavrila was that "apt-get install kopete" or what you put up?
[09:33] <Gavrila> apt-get -t breezy install kopete
[09:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get [options]  install|remove pkg1 [pkg2 ...] 
[09:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get [options]  source pkg1 [pkg2 ...] 
[09:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> so try without install ?
[09:37] <Gavrila> Kamping_Kaiser: what the hell are u talking about O_O ?
[09:37] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: "install" is part of command =)
[09:37] <Gavrila> Tm_T have u managed to get beagle working on your machine?
[09:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats from "apt-get --help" try doing your package install without the "install" bit
[09:38] <Tm_T> Gavrila: beagle? :p
[09:38] <Gavrila> yup
[09:38] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:38] <Tm_T> what's that?
[09:38] <Gavrila> arghghgh
[09:38] <Tm_T> haha
[09:38] <Gavrila> you know spotlight?
[09:38] <Tm_T> can't remember everything =)
[09:38] <Tm_T> aahhh
[09:38] <Gavrila> that osX thing
[09:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[09:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> tm_t. your too well know as "the man"
[09:40] <Tm_T> eh
[09:41] <Tm_T> hey, I installed linux just 13 months ago =)
[09:41] <Tm_T> maybe I'm just quick learner?
[09:43] <Tm_T> Gavrila: you mean _this_ beagle? http://beaglewiki.org/Main_Page
[09:43] <Tm_T> hmm, haven't tried yet, but maybe I'll try =)
[09:44] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:44] <Gavrila> yeah that one
[09:44] <Tm_T> interesting app
[09:44] <Gavrila> I managed to make it run but it didn't do what it were suppoesd to
[09:44] <Tm_T> heh
[09:45] <Tm_T> Gavrila: btw what you think about this one? http://xob.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kde-dev_worldmap_coloured.png
[09:45] <Gavrila> wow what is it
[09:46] <Gavrila> I mean, it's cool , but where does it come from? :
[09:46] <Gavrila> :)
[09:47] <Tm_T> hmm, worldwide.kde.org
[09:47] <Tm_T> I just edited it to background image =)
[09:48] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I need to "hilight" dots so they are easier to find
[09:52] <Tm_T> naeh, I just add url down there =)
[09:55] <ztonzy> hey :)
[09:55] <ztonzy> anyone still have the Konqueror crashes ?
[09:55] <ztonzy> I went back to Ubuntu, got tired of the constant crashes...
[09:59] <transgress> anyone seen the hitchhikers guide?
[09:59] <transgress> and read the books
[09:59] <Tm_T> ztonzy: you mean you use Gnome?
[10:00] <ztonzy> Tm_T, yes...
[10:00] <transgress> i tend to have crashes after running the nspluginviewer
[10:00] <transgress> for konq
[10:01] <Tm_T> hmm, no konqi crashes here for trouble
[10:01] <Tm_T> but I don't use it much
[10:01] <transgress> i <3 konq... not to mention i don't want to pull gnome onto my system for firefox
[10:01] <Tm_T> mabe twice crashed
[10:01] <Tm_T> heh
[10:02] <ztonzy> Tm_T, I did how ever install Kubuntu on my secondary system...gonna take it to my sister and test the dialup
[10:02] <Tm_T> heh
[10:02] <ztonzy> havent got it to work yet....weird ISPs
[10:02] <Tm_T> ztonzy: install ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop, I've heard it will be more stable that way
[10:03] <transgress> i couldn't even get kde to run when i tried that Tm_T
[10:03] <Tm_T> heh
[10:03] <Tm_T> transgress: you installed from kubuntu install-cd?
[10:04] <ztonzy> Tm_T, hmm okey
[10:04] <ztonzy> weird
[10:04] <transgress> well first i tried installing from apt with ubuntu... that just fucked a lot of stuff up bad... 
[10:04] <Tm_T> eh
[10:04] <transgress> so then i installed from the cd
[10:04] <ztonzy> Tm_T, there couple of different ways to install Kubuntu right?
[10:04] <Tm_T> ztonzy: yup
[10:04] <ztonzy> that's the best ?
[10:04] <Tm_T> yup
[10:05] <ztonzy> and users solved there issues ??
[10:05] <Tm_T> someone said the kubuntu install-cd is "broken"
[10:05] <ztonzy> uhmm
[10:05] <Tm_T> but I got all mostly ok =)
[10:05] <Tm_T> some minor issues but nothing real problem
[10:05] <ztonzy> kde has faster window handling, than gnome, but gnome looks "cleaner"
[10:06] <Tm_T> ztonzy: hmm, it depends what kind of configuration you use
[10:06] <transgress> eh... they can both be made to look how you want with some effort
[10:06] <transgress> and it's a matter of personal taste
[10:06] <Tm_T> I found KDE more flexible
[10:06] <ztonzy> Tm_T, default...
[10:06] <transgress> still a matter of personal taste
[10:06] <Tm_T> ztonzy: hmm, who uses default ?? :o ;p
[10:06] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_027.png
[10:07] <ztonzy> Tm_T, haha...well
[10:07] <Tm_T> I try to modify as much as possible
[10:07] <ztonzy> Tm_T, yes...
[10:07] <Tm_T> even my kicker background and kmenu side image are edited/selfmade =)
[10:08] <Tm_T> I modify icons, splash screens etc etc
[10:08] <ztonzy> nice
[10:08] <ztonzy> I know the guy who made the new Konqi ;)
[10:08] <ztonzy> chat almost daily
[10:09] <Tm_T> :)
[10:09] <ztonzy> he is an well producing artist...heh, indeed, wished I had his energy
[10:09] <ztonzy> Tm_T, also a finnish guy
[10:10] <Tm_T> hmm, teprrr ?
[10:10] <ztonzy> hmm no?
[10:10] <ztonzy> basse
[10:11] <Tm_T> ah, basse :)
[10:11] <ztonzy> librarian ;)
[10:11] <Tm_T> oh yes, teprrr messing with akregator :)
[10:11] <ztonzy> Tm_T, long user of KDE ?
[10:12] <Tm_T> ztonzy: well, my first linux install was 13 moths ago...
[10:12] <ztonzy> Tm_T, oh :)
[10:12] <ztonzy> my was longer back
[10:12] <ztonzy> but now I have passed 1 year of constant linuxuse
[10:12] <Tm_T> heh, then I got my first personal pc
[10:13] <Tm_T> before it I shared pc with my bros
[10:13] <ztonzy> Tm_T, ok...so what's your background ?  aha   
[10:13] <Tm_T> heh
[10:13] <Tm_T> I used dos/windows from -90 or 91
[10:14] <ztonzy> that's a lot ;)
[10:14] <Tm_T> well, I was 6 or 7 then
[10:14] <Tm_T> before it, I used memotech few times
[10:14] <ztonzy> I skipped C64 (-85)  to Mac (studies -96)  then NT/windows (more studies)  then windows now linux
[10:14] <Tm_T> I "borrowed" from my older brothers =)
[10:15] <ztonzy> so 9 years of no computer use
[10:15] <Tm_T> heh
[10:15] <ztonzy> windsurfed instead !
[10:16] <Tm_T> I have shell server account from 2001 or so
[10:16] <Tm_T> my first touch with linux
[10:16] <ztonzy> http://www.elysiun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=411397#411397  my latest WIP :)
[10:20] <Tm_T> ok, not really "editing, just added some text
[10:20] <Tm_T> +"
[10:21] <ztonzy> map ?
[10:24] <Tm_T> ah
[10:28] <ztonzy> Tm_T, isnt safer to use another than kubuntu-desktop to install kde ?
[10:29] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:29] <Tm_T> same thing unless you install it from sources
[10:29] <Tm_T> kubuntu-desktop is only metapackage having dependencies to kde packages
[10:30] <Tm_T> I think now that text is placed well enoughhttp://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kde-dev_worldmap_coloured_2.png
[10:30] <Tm_T> hm
[10:30] <Tm_T> note to self: use spacebar
[10:31] <ubuntu> HAllo zusammen
[10:31] <ubuntu> was ist eigentlich schneller....kubuntu oder ubuntu?
[10:33] <Tm_T> ubuntu: eh, a) please use english  b) they are the same, just different desktop ;)
[10:35] <ubuntu> oh sorry....
[10:35] <ubuntu> so which one is faster: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[10:36] <Tm_T> as I said, they are the same
[10:36] <Tm_T> you should ask it KDE vs Gnome
[10:36] <Tm_T> and I say KDE
[10:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> i expect there would be a difference.
[10:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, but as always depends what you do with it :D
[10:37] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: well, only difference is kubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-desktop metapackage afaik
[10:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, ditto
[10:37] <ztonzy> hmm
[10:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> but if ppl customise their desktops like me, then it does start to make a difference. but i dont know in which way
[10:38] <ztonzy> Tm_T, now when I recall I just did what you said how to install Kubuntu afterwards (kubuntu-desktop) on this machine
[10:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> ie i dont know which stays fast when customised
[10:39] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: I still say KDE ;)
[10:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) i dont know, because i dont use KDE
[10:39] <Tm_T> ztonzy: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" if that is what you're asking
[10:39] <ztonzy> Tm_T, hold on...installing :D
[10:39] <Tm_T> =)
[10:40] <ztonzy> using synaptic...no difference right ?
[10:40] <Tm_T> I say use Konsole
[10:40] <Tm_T> it's faster in this case
[10:40] <Tm_T> but apt-get update first
[10:41] <ubuntu> so kde should be faster?
[10:41] <ztonzy> hmm 
[10:42] <Tm_T> ubuntu: I think so, dunno really =)
[10:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> its a hard question :S
[10:43] <Tm_T> ubuntu: it's too hard to measure, if you really need a fast wm, take WindowMaker
[10:43] <Tm_T> or FluxBox
[10:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> or the X default thing
[10:44] <Tm_T> eh?
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> i forget what its called. Xfwm or similar
[10:45] <Tm_T> hmm, but default?
[10:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> default == comes with :S sorry
[10:49] <Tm_T> :)
[10:49] <Tm_T> hmm, now this is final version, I'm happy http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kde-dev_worldmap_coloured_3.png
[10:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats it show?
[10:51] <Tm_T> check that url
[10:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> i am, and i cant see whatever i want. its just a picture of the globe
[10:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> done wierd :D
[10:52] <ztonzy> hmm
[10:52] <ztonzy> what is that tool that makes GTK look good in KDE ?
[10:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> AH! found them :)
[10:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> little dots :D
[10:52] <Tm_T> http://worldwide.kde.org/
[10:52] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: europe is one big dot =)
[10:53] <ztonzy> brb
[10:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. the dots hadnt come up when i came and whinged :)
[10:53] <Tm_T> :p
[10:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats a cool picture :)
[10:57] <Tm_T> I just changed colours and added black background with text
[10:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you taken it down?
[11:01] <Tm_T> hmm, resized? well ofcourse :)
[11:01] <chx> hi
[11:01] <Tm_T> hullo
[11:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[11:02] <chx> Anyone has a complied Kopete?
[11:03] <chx> I mean, current version is broken and only the SVN version works yet I do not want to install the libraries needed for a compile :(
[11:03] <Tm_T> chx: use gaim ;)
[11:04] <ztonzy> hmm
[11:04] <ztonzy> Tm_T, still cant get xchat+firefox to use small fonts how to fix it ?...everything looks so big
[11:04] <chx> I'd like to point out the g in gaim and K in Kopete
[11:04] <chx> Yeah, and gaim MSN does not work for me as well...
[11:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> ztonzy try press ctrl+alt+minus (minus on the keyboard
[11:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> gaim and msn are working for me
[11:05] <chx> Kamping_Kaiser: I can send messages
[11:05] <ztonzy> Kamping_Kaiser, isn't that for the desktop size in X ?
[11:05] <chx> but others do not see me in their list
[11:05] <Tm_T> ztonzy: well, install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt and use Kcontrol to change font(size)
[11:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i dont appreat to have that problem
[11:05] <ztonzy> Tm_T, I did...didnt change how ever
[11:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry its ctrl+shift+minux
[11:06] <Tm_T> hmm, strange
[11:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> minus*
[11:06] <chx> not to mention that I was using Kopete, my logs are in Kopete, if I change then I'll need to search logs in two places
[11:06] <chx> no way
[11:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> in FF at least
[11:06] <ztonzy> Kamping_Kaiser, numpad?  heh...
[11:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[11:07] <Tm_T> haha
[11:07] <chx> OK, then what's the apt command which downloads the necessary libraries to build a source package?
[11:07] <ztonzy> Kamping_Kaiser, oh I see...but nothing here
[11:07] <ztonzy> do I need a .settings file in ~ ?
[11:08] <Tm_T> chx: build-essential?
[11:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. is 19 tabs open in gaim overkill? 16 of them are irc channels
[11:10] <Tm_T> I don't think so
[11:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> good oh
[11:11] <chx> build-dep
[11:11] <chx> OK, another question
[11:12] <chx> apt will install 90 new packages consuming 139Mbyte -- how can I save a list so that after building Kopete I can apt-get remove them?
[11:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> wouldent you need them?
[11:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> but "apt-get install foo >> ~/filename
[11:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> or "apt-get install foo tee ~/filename" but im not sure about that
[11:14] <Tm_T> chx: well, if apt asking to install them, you _need_ them
[11:14] <Tm_T> unless you are sure what you're doing
[11:14] <ztonzy> Tm_T, used gtk look clearlook instead ;)
[11:14] <Tm_T> hmm?
[11:15] <Tm_T> gtk theme ?
[11:15] <ztonzy> yes
[11:15] <Tm_T> pics?
[11:15] <chx> I am doing an apt-get build-dep , so it install lots of -dev packages which I do not need...
[11:15] <ztonzy> Tm_T, why?  
[11:15] <Tm_T> chx: are you sure?
[11:15] <Tm_T> ztonzy: nevermind =)
[11:15] <chx> Very sure
[11:16] <ztonzy> Tm_T, hehe
[11:16] <chx> Kopete runs now -- I need these packages only for the building
[11:16] <ztonzy> Tm_T, as long as it works
[11:19] <Tm_T> :)
[11:23] <_fabien> hello
[11:25] <ztonzy> is there any bluetooth tools for KDE ?
[11:27] <allee> ztonzy: kdebluetooth http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu/
[11:28] <ztonzy> allee, is it in repositries +
[11:28] <ztonzy> ?
[11:29] <motaboy> ztonzy: not again
[11:29] <allee> ztonzy: AFAIK no. apt-cache search didn't find it 
[11:29] <allee> motaboy: hi!
[11:30] <motaboy> allee: hi!
[11:30] <ztonzy> motaboy, uh ???
[11:30] <allee> motaboy: again?
[11:30] <ztonzy> "not again" ??
[11:30] <chx> last question.  --prefix=/path/to/your/distribution's/kde <= what's this under Kubuntu?
[11:31] <allee> chx: kde-config --prefix
[11:32] <allee> chx: but there are some little suble diffs in KDE deb. pkgs
[11:32] <ztonzy> how to install a .deb package ? :-\
[11:32] <allee> ztonzy: download it and deb -i /path/to/.deb
[11:32] <Tm_T> or use Kubuntu service menu =)
[11:32] <ztonzy> allee, :) thanks
[11:41] <ztonzy> allee, wee...better tools than Gnome have
[11:41] <McScruff> hello
[11:42] <morten> Aloha....
[11:43] <naibed> Hi
[11:43] <morten> does anyone have an idea about what plugin I need inorder to listen to net-radios ?
[11:43] <McScruff> can you help a almost n00b in need
[11:44] <naibed> morten, yo can use xmms/mplayer, on a netscape-compatible bowser install plugger
[11:44] <McScruff> i have a fat32 partitioned hdd and i cant access itwhat do i need to type in the fstab
[11:44] <naibed> McScruff, man fstab
[11:45] <morten> ..... All I have is amarok and Firefox :p
[11:45] <naibed> morten, http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html
[11:46] <naibed> Or put sth like "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" in sources.list and install from it
[11:48] <morten> (I just never really liked Mplayer :P )
[11:48] <motaboy> ztonzy: it's not in the repository, I think it'll be there in breezy
[11:48] <ztonzy> motaboy, ok :)  but it works fine :)
[11:48] <ztonzy> now
[11:49] <naibed> ztonzy, you can go to mplayerhq.hu and download and extract win32codecs to /usr/lib/win32
[11:49] <motaboy> ztonzy: yeah, but I have a lot of things to fix, and when I'll be a motu I'll upload it
[11:49] <naibed> But I dunno if players other than MPlayer/xine use that
[11:50] <ztonzy> naibed, why? already have it :)  and I didnt ask for that either or ?
[11:50] <naibed> Sorry, mistake
[11:51] <ztonzy> np
[11:51] <Tm_T> morten: I think you can use xxms or juk or <add your favorite player here>
[11:52] <Tm_T> morten: and if you wan't to use amaroK, just make sure you have all needed plugins to soundengine youre using
[11:53] <morten> Mkay...
[11:53] <morten> Else I
[11:53] <Tm_T> hullo smouche :)
[11:53] <morten> I'll jus stick with my oasis :p
[11:53] <Tm_T> he
[11:55] <McScruff> how do you mount an ntfs partition?
[11:56] <McScruff> /dev/hdd1	/WinXP		ntfs	defaults	0	0
[11:56] <McScruff> ??
[11:56] <ztonzy> hmm one annoying thing is running kaffeine...it still runs in background even if shutdown...and hence bogs down for example Blender...
[11:56] <naibed> McScruff, for example
[11:56] <\sh> ztonzy: it's borked
[11:57] <McScruff> mine wont work, its mounts it but then it cant open it
[11:57] <ztonzy> \sh, heh
[11:58] <Tm_T> ztonzy: killall kaffeine ;)
[11:59] <ztonzy> Tm_T, buuh
[11:59] <naibed> McScruff, permission stufF?
[11:59] <Tm_T> McScruff: I have " /dev/hdc4  /mnt/ntfs1   ntfs   ro,defaults,noauto,umask=022 0  0 "
[12:00] <Tm_T> ztonzy: yeah, somehow kaffeine is really buggy
[12:00] <McScruff> yep root can access it
[12:00] <Tm_T> :)
[12:00] <ztonzy> heh
[12:01] <naibed> McScruff, then have a look at the umask option
[12:10] <McScruff> what does warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[12:10] <McScruff>  mean
[12:10] <haydenTNG> just push enter after the last line 
[12:12] <verden01> hey haydenTNG 
[12:12] <malte> does connecting to msn with kopete work for you guys?
[12:12] <McScruff> yes
[12:12] <McScruff> :)
[12:13] <McScruff> but i use kmess now
[12:13] <Tm_T> hmm, everybody keeps asking that =)
[12:13] <malte> well, it doesn't work here :(
[12:14] <McScruff> i cant write this fstab line to let normal users access and edit my ntfs drive
[12:14] <Tm_T> malte: because MS updated their servers
[12:14] <McScruff> please can someone help me, i have been trying
[12:14] <Tm_T> McScruff: edit ntfs? not a good idea
[12:15] <malte> Tm_T: ah... but, it seems others can connect?
[12:15] <Tm_T> malte: they use svn version of kopete?
[12:15] <malte> Tm_T: okay :)
[12:15] <Tm_T> malte: development version it is
[12:15] <malte> mm
[12:15] <McScruff> i forgot, well as long as i can acess it
[12:16] <McScruff> i might need to dance with it
[12:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> aparently you can write to the NTFS versions prior to XP, but not after with any safety
[12:17] <McScruff> i just want to look at it
[12:17] <McScruff> i feel nakid if i cant see all my hdd's
[12:17] <Tm_T> McScruff: well, then mount it as root and read it as normal user
[12:18] <Tm_T> can't see why mounting is such a problem
[12:18] <Tm_T> you do it once and that's it
[12:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> make sure you unmount it first
[12:20] <malte> why does an apt-get dist-upgrade want to remove kubuntu-desktop?
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> what does it say? probably the dbus thing
[12:21] <malte> it's removing dbus-1 as well, but installing dbus
[12:22] <McScruff> im logged in as root but it says "could not change permissions for /WindowsXP
[12:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> theres some API changes going on in KDE, but im not exactly sure whats going on
[12:23] <malte> okay. guess i don't really need to do a dist-upgrade
[12:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> what to? breezy?
[12:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> not wise
[12:25] <McScruff> kio (KIOConnection): ERROR: Could not write data
[12:25] <McScruff> help ^^
[12:25] <malte> i'm running breezy now :)
[12:25] <malte> but it's working nicely
[12:26] <Tm_T> malte: look topic
[12:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) i use breezy, but im in Ubuntu, so i dont have your API things
[12:26] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: you mean in Gnome
[12:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> do i?
[12:26] <malte> Tm_T: oh, well
[12:26] <Tm_T> or whatever, it's all the same
[12:27] <malte> btw, kopete connects to icq but doesn't show my buddies. anyone else has this problem?
[12:27] <Tm_T> malte: "oh no, breezy is broken!!!" ;--P
[12:27] <malte> :S
[12:27] <McScruff> is there a package installer like the mepis one wher eonce its running you can do file load .deb
[12:27] <malte> maybe i should downgrade
[12:27] <bjv> i had some problems with kopete.
[12:27] <bjv> i fixed it with gaim. :P
[12:27] <Tm_T> malte: how about Kubuntu servicemenu?
[12:27] <malte> aw
[12:27] <Tm_T> I mean McScruff 
[12:27] <malte> Tm_T: what's that?
[12:27] <malte> oh
[12:28] <McScruff> im running ubuntu with kde :)
[12:28] <Tm_T> McScruff: hmm, so?
[12:28] <McScruff> i cant find it :)
[12:28] <Tm_T> where's the difference?
[12:28] <Tm_T> McScruff: you shouldnt
[12:28] <Tm_T> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23981
[12:28] <McScruff> ooo
[12:29] <Tm_T> because it's all extra baby ;p
[12:29] <McScruff> is there a .deb version
[12:29] <verden01> hey i'm running ubuntu with kde and i've just had kubuntu installed b4 and i think that atm ubuntu with the kubuntu-desktop installed is better
[12:29] <McScruff> im very lazy
[12:30] <Tm_T> McScruff: eh, too lazy to type three lines?
[12:30] <McScruff> i cant remember lines
[12:30] <Tm_T> you can copy paste =)
[12:31] <McScruff> i can... :)
[12:31] <Tm_T> haha
[12:32] <Tm_T> hmm, I think I'm forced to leave my "n00b" status :/
[12:32] <McScruff> im not
[12:33] <Tm_T> hmm, so, am I advanced then? ar what?
[12:33] <Tm_T> s/ar/or
[12:34] <McScruff> alot more knowledge able then me
[12:35] <McScruff> i need a .deb version
[12:36] <naibed> lol
[12:36] <McScruff> or someone to step by step me
[12:37] <McScruff> :)
[12:37] <McScruff> please
[12:38] <naibed> wget "http://www.kde-apps.org/content/download.php?content=23981&id=1";tar zxf 23981-kubuntu-servicemenu-1.2.tar.gz;cd kubuntu-servicemenu-1.2/;sudo sh kubuntu-servicemenu.sh;rm -r ../kubuntu-servicemenu-1.2/ ../23981-kubuntu-servicemenu-1.2.tar.gz
[12:38] <McScruff> i liked tha
[12:38] <naibed> Sth like that
[12:38] <McScruff> thankyou
[12:39] <naibed> and finally as root: mount -aw; rm -fr /
[12:39] <naibed> :D
[12:39] <McScruff> i put my root password in :)
[12:39] <McScruff> omg
[12:39] <McScruff> ur pro
[12:40] <McScruff> full of errors
[12:40] <McScruff> the whole lot
[12:40] <naibed> haha
[12:41] <McScruff> all permission denied or operation not permitted
[12:41] <naibed> wtf did you do?
[12:41] <naibed> Don't tell me you did the rm -fr /
[12:42] <McScruff> :)
[12:42] <McScruff> sudo mount -aw; rm -fr /
[12:43] <bjv> isnt capital R recursive?
[12:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> depends on the command
[12:43] <naibed> lol
[12:43] <bjv> does a reverse rm kill everything?
[12:43] <naibed>        -r, -R, --recursive
[12:43] <naibed>               remove the contents of directories recursively
[12:44] <Choubaka> :|
[12:44] <McScruff> so why didnt my command work
[12:44] <bjv> ah, i was thinking of ls not rm
[12:44] <Choubaka> McScruff: Did you actually do the rm -rf? :||
[12:45] <McScruff> i did the whole line
[12:45] <McScruff> copy and paste
[12:45] <Choubaka> gah,
[12:45] <McScruff> mcscruff@ubuntu:~/kubuntu-servicemenu-1.2$ sudo mount -aw
[12:45] <McScruff> sudo: cannot get working directory
[12:46] <naibed> McScruff, If I were you I would, at least, read a command and understand it before trying to execute it ...lol
[12:46] <McScruff> naa
[12:46] <McScruff> soon as i get a gui :)
[12:46] <Choubaka> looks like it failed.
[12:46] <naibed> Choubaka, sure, the CWD is a removed dir
[12:47] <Choubaka> I know a person who did rm -rf / because someone jokingly suggested it.
[12:47] <naibed> Now you know 2
[12:47] <Choubaka> It's not a good joke.
[12:47] <McScruff> :)
[12:48] <McScruff> so what did that command just do?
[12:48] <naibed> McScruff, remove all files your user can
[12:48] <McScruff> so i did it as root :(
[12:48] <McScruff> in that dir or on all my hdd's
[12:49] <McScruff> coz i aint got shit on my hdd
[12:49] <naibed> McScruff, all your mounted diks
[12:49] <McScruff> noooooooooooooooo
[12:49] <McScruff> thats ok its safe
[12:49] <naibed> Sure you have a backup of all sensitive data :)
[12:49] <McScruff> yep
[12:50] <bjv> he actually did the forced recursive rm? :O
[12:50] <bjv> ha!
[12:50] <naibed> McScruff, if you don't know even what "rm -fr /" is you should seriosly read a manual...
[12:51] <McScruff> i was copying and pasteing without reading
[12:51] <McScruff> bt i dont see whats its done...
[12:51] <malte> naibed: idiot
[12:51] <naibed> malte, me? lol
[12:51] <malte> never, ever, joke about stuff like that.
[12:51] <bjv> for real..
[12:51] <McScruff> what files has it deleted?
[12:51] <malte> it's NOT his fault, he seriously trusted you
[12:51] <bjv> thats harsh.
[12:52] <malte> naibed: yes, you're an idiot.
[12:52] <naibed> malte, it IS his fault
[12:52] <malte> no, he TRUSTED you.
[12:52] <naibed> I was obviously joking
 and finally as root: mount -aw; rm -fr /
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[12:52] <McScruff> ...
[12:52] <Tm_T> wtf
[12:52] <malte> that's not obvious
[12:52] <Tm_T> hey kids
[12:52] <McScruff> who cares
[12:52] <malte> you should never say that to a newbie
[12:52] <Tm_T> not even to me
[12:52] <smouche> folks, live and learn shouldn't be turned into live or die with folks' data
[12:52] <Tm_T> I can do it if I'm tired anough
[12:52] <McScruff> but i didnt have any files in my home dir....
[12:53] <Tm_T> enough
[12:53] <Tm_T> ok, cant type anymre, off we go ->
[12:53] <malte> McScruff: if you ran it as root, it has removed stuff outside your home dir as well
[12:53] <McScruff> it all said permission denied
[12:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> mcscruff rm -fr / will remove everythying. rm -fr ~/ will remove everything in your home
[12:53] <naibed> don't think so, the rm was OUT of the sudo command
[12:53] <McScruff> i did it in the sudo command
[12:53] <naibed> sudo mount -aw; rm -fr /
[12:54] <malte> McScruff: then you might have not run it as root
[12:54] <naibed> this only mounts as root and rm -fr / as the user
[12:54] <McScruff> i did sudo
[12:54] <McScruff> :)
[12:54] <malte> McScruff: did you copy-paste the line?
[12:54] <bjv> well, mcscruff is still here.  it clearly didnt fubar too much.
[12:54] <malte> bjv: bullshit :) 
[12:54] <McScruff> malte : yep and added sudo
[12:55] <naibed> lol
[12:55] <malte> McScruff: added? so it read: sudo rm -rf / ?
[12:55] <McScruff> sudo mount -aw; rm -fr /
[12:55] <McScruff> but im still here...
[12:55] <smouche> so, the sudo doesn't apply to the second command?
[12:55] <naibed> If he doesn't know anything..
[12:55] <naibed> smouche, no
[12:55] <malte> naibed: shut up, no one listens to you anymore
[12:55] <naibed> malte, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda :)
[12:56] <malte> McScruff: yeah, you should be fine.
[12:56] <naibed> as root of course! come on newbies, do that!
[12:56] <McScruff> anywy, im still here so it didnt kill me, how do i install Kubuntu Package Menu
[12:56] <malte> naibed: you're on my ignore list, just fyi
[12:56] <naibed> malte, thaks
[12:56] <smouche> could thing he didn't "sudo su" then, I assume.
[12:56] <malte> McScruff: that's no sign it didn't kill you though :) 
[12:56] <McScruff> a re-install isnt hard :)
[12:57] <malte> *shrugs* sure
[12:57] <McScruff> i only installed last night so all i have done is installed kde
[12:57] <smouche> wow, next time someone complains about not being able to log in as root, I'll remember this stuff
[12:57] <naibed> McScruff, probably you've only lost your user's home
[12:57] <McScruff> as i said, i had nothing in there
[12:57] <malte> smouche: what would sudo su do?
[12:57] <malte> smouche: oh :)
[12:58] <malte> i misread that. yeah, or you could do sudo bash
[12:58] <McScruff> im off
[12:58] <malte> gl hf
[12:58] <malte> :)
[01:00] <smouche> malte - you know, I didn't know I could do "sudo bash" - I usually Alt f2 "sudo xterm".  Thanks for the info.
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo bash or sudo -s
[01:14] <incubii> w0rd nugg3t
[01:23] <verwilst> i wish kubuntu would release more bugfixes to its packages :(
[01:30] <Tm_T> incubiii!
[01:30] <incubii> Tm_T howdy
[01:32] <incubii> you running breezy yet ?
[01:39] <Tm_T> incubii: should I? I don't think so =)
[01:39] <yahalom> #kde
[01:39] <Tm_T> yahalom: that's the one ;)
[01:40] <yahalom> Tm_T, ??
[01:40] <yahalom> ok. i installed kubuntu on a hard disk and the moved it to a celeron 500 mhz 65 mb ram. the pc i used to install on the hard drive was amd athlon xp 2000+ 512 MB ram. I got kernel panic, does that mean the kernel is wrong? i used a 386 one.
[01:41] <_luke> hi!
[01:41] <yahalom> _luke, hi
[01:41] <yahalom> Tm_T, what one?
[01:41] <Tm_T> yahalom: #kde ;p
[01:42] <_luke> anyone know of any animation programs for linux? something along the lines of flash?
[01:43] <yahalom> _luke, google it 
[01:43] <_luke> am doing :p
[01:43] <Tm_T> utfg!!1 ;--P
[01:44] <yahalom> lol
[01:47] <Do-It-Now> hi all
[01:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[01:48] <vicks> hi everybody. i have installed kubuntu-desktop onto ubuntu. Is there a way to hide gnomeapps in the startmeny in kde an vice versa?
[01:49] <vicks> and what is the name of the package tht lets you configure gtk-behaviour in kde?
[01:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi vicks
[01:49] <amu> vicks: .desktop files "Show only in KDE" 
[01:50] <amu> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt - Makes your GTK 2 apps look like Qt ones
[01:50] <vicks> hi Kamping_Kaiser
[01:50] <vicks> thanks amu 
[01:51] <rodolfo> hi, how can I speed-up the boot process if I have dhcp enabled but am not connected to the network?
[01:52] <\sh> rodolfo: ctrl-c?
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> rodolfo, you mean your a client?
[01:52] <rodolfo> yes
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> set a static ip for your system
[01:53] <rodolfo> ok; but running another distro (Mepis) it boots with dhcp without delay...
[01:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> then its not looking very hard for an IP
[01:54] <amu> vicks: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-0.9.html#onlyshowin-registry
[01:55] <rodolfo> Kamping_Kaiser: can I set the timeout for IP lookup?
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, but i dont know how in kubuntu
[01:55] <rodolfo> ok
[01:55] <\sh> rodolfo: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[01:55] <rodolfo> \sh thanks; and ctrl-c will stop searching?
[01:58] <\sh> yep normall
[01:58] <\sh> y
[02:15] <Stral> so anyone know when the kopete package will be updated to fix the msn bug?
[02:24] <vicks> amu: is the files in usr/share/applications i'm supposed to edit?
[02:26] <epron> I can't connect anymore to MSN using Kopete
[02:26] <amu> and if needed under share/applnk
[02:29] <Stral> epron: there is a fix in the kopete svn repo, nobody has told me if/when the package will be updated
[02:34] <epron> Stral: ok
[02:40] <burgermann> Lo.. I have a SERIOUS problem =(((((
[02:41] <burgermann> I installed Kubuntu and I can't login because my keyboard doesn't work :/
[02:41] <burgermann> It's my laptop, not this one :}
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats a problem. not at all?
[02:42] <Stral> how did you get kubuntu installed without the keyboard working?
[02:43] <burgermann> It did work when I used synaptic to install it.. a couple of reboots later the KDM login manager started to be default.. as X starts the keyboard sets out :/
[02:43] <Stral> boot into single user and remove kdm
[02:44] <burgermann> how?
[02:44] <Stral> press escape at the grub prompt, select recovery mode from the list, once booted, apt-get remove kdm
[02:45] <burgermann> Stral, I tried but it just boots kdm like before :/
[02:46] <Stral> then you didn't choose recovery mode, recovery mode sits you at a console screen without starting anything
[02:47] <vicks> amu: what doeas the share/applink do?
[02:48] <burgermann> Stral, Arhh, now it want's the root password
[02:48] <Stral> did you set one?
[02:48] <burgermann> nah, no
[02:49] <burgermann> I thought Ubuntu did use root pwds
[02:49] <burgermann> didn't
[02:49] <crimsun_> not by default it doesn't
[02:49] <burgermann> crimsun ye..
[02:49] <Stral> just try pressing enter at the password
[02:49] <burgermann> No, that wasn't it
[02:50] <burgermann> I guess i'm basically screwed
[02:50] <Stral> you know how you press escape at the grub prompt, and get that menu?
[02:51] <Stral> press e at the menu
[02:51] <burgermann> k
[02:51] <vicks> yeah my kde is so nice and snappy!!
[02:51] <Stral> edit the line that starts with 'kernel
[02:51] <Stral> add to the end of it 'init=/bin/sh'
[02:51] <Stral> then boot
[02:52] <Stral> you will get a shell prompt and your file system will be mounted read only
[02:52] <burgermann> where's = on an english keyboard :(
[02:53] <Stral> next to backspace
[02:56] <burgermann> k, back.. I have this 2 month year old son, who's desperate for attention... 
[02:56] <burgermann> There... godt the shell
[02:56] <amu> vicks: In versions of KDE prior to 3.2, a program's .desktop file existed there, in a subdirectory called /usr/share/applnk, where the subdirectory name corresponded to the desired submenu of the overall KDE menu.
[02:56] <burgermann> How do I remove kdm?
[02:57] <Stral> burgermann: mount -o remount,rw /
[02:57] <Stral> burgermann: apt-get remove kdm
[02:57] <Stral> burgermann: sync ; mount -o remount,ro /
[02:57] <Stral> burgermann: ctrl+alt+del
[02:57] <Stral> burgermann: then go pay your son some attention :) they're only 2 months old once
[03:00] <burgermann> thanks.. that help's money worth
[03:01] <burgermann> I gotta go.. thanks a lot =))
[03:01] <Stral> np
[03:06] <vicks> aha. ok . thanks amu. it was enough to edit the usr/share/applications. worked nicely!
[03:13] <semuters24> a
[03:14] <mikl> booh, can't login to MSN messenger through kopete :/
[03:15] <steffenstrobel> hi everyone, i have a question concerning the 3  kde packages that need updating! Should i update them now or are they still broken? And what about that shell script, should i run in before or after updating?
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> steffenstrobel. dont update the packages. the script is after updateing afaik
[03:19] <semuters24_> halo kamu
[03:19] <steffenstrobel> Kamping_Kaiser: ok thanks for the info, how can i see that i should now update?
[03:19] <vicks> whohoo. i love my kubuntu! =)
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> steffenstrobel. "apt-get update" to update your package lists, then "apt-get upgrade" to upgrade any files that will
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> still happy vicks? good sighn ;)
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sign
[03:21] <steffenstrobel> Kamping_Kaiser: i  know how to upgrade but how can i see that the kdepackages are not anymore broken?
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure in kynaptic (if thats what you use). when it stops holding them back in apt-get
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> or when ppl tell you they are no longer broken
[03:23] <vicks> Kamping_Kaiser: the thing is after the first excitment was gone, i started to think the system was quite slow. changing windows was very sluggish. i thought it was something with kde, so i did a fresh install with ubuntu. didn't help. then i started suspecting my videocard (a very old ati which i use for the tv-out). so after A LOT of hacking (and also learning ;_) ), i went back to my onboard video. And damn, it's snappy 
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol cool
[03:24] <steffenstrobel> Kamping_Kaiser: my apt-get doesn't hold them back?
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> then you just have to ask if its ok to use them
[03:25] <steffenstrobel> this could also tell me when the bug is gone or? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10035
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes it could
[03:27] <steffenstrobel> Kamping_Kaiser: ok thanks for the info!
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:29] <vicks> what i would love is p play a whole catalog (not enqueue) with amarok, just the way you can do with winamp in windows. i love that function
[03:30] <vicks> ...from context menu
[03:31] <vicks> ...in konqueror
[03:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> *shrugs* outside my area here :)
[03:32] <Tm_T> vicks: #amarok ;)
[03:33] <vicks> ah. never thiught of that =D
[03:33] <vicks> thought*
[03:57] <vicks> bye everyone
[04:30] <teknoprep> hi all
[04:36] <teknoprep> hi all
[04:51] <malte> HI TEKNOPREP! :)
[04:54] <teknoprep> malte, HI
[04:54] <Tm_T> IS THIS (INTER)NATIONAL CAPSLOCK DAY?
[04:54] <Tm_T> ;-P
[04:55] <teknoprep> Tm_T, YES IT IS
[04:55] <teknoprep> Tm_T, HOW COULD YOU TELL
[04:55] <Tm_T> ...
[04:55] <Tm_T> you can stop now
[04:56] <ikasama> When ever I see a key board I remove the capslock key and burn it, I figure that way I'm doing the world a favor and giving all the morons wrist problems from having to hold down shift.
[04:57] <ikasama> Then again, I am a moron because I wrote whenever as two words.
[04:57] <Blissex> ikasama: thats a bit harsh on yourself...
[04:57] <ikasama> I'm sure I made worse errors anyway.
[04:58] <Blissex> ikasama: however, my favourite solution is to remap Caps Lock as the Multi Key (Compose). That's very useful...
[04:59] <Blissex> ikasama: with KDE in the XKB control panel it is very easy to achieve that.
[04:59] <ikasama> Why do they make caps lock keys anyway?
[04:59] <Blissex> ikasama: ancient backwards compatibility.
[04:59] <ikasama> Speaking of the KDE control panel it won't except my root password to let me change anything.
[05:00] <Blissex> ikasama: but you don't need the root password for almost all of it.
[05:00] <Blissex> ikasama: your preferences are stored in your home directory, in files owned by you.
[05:00] <ikasama> Yeah, the probelm is I do for the network stuff, which is what I want to mess with.
[05:01] <ikasama> I supose I'll just have to find another way other then the controll panel, I want to change my Samba settings and it would have been easy to do it from there.
[05:01] <Blissex> ikasama: in that case that's good, because under Debian compatible systems you should not use the KDE 'System Administration' and similar stuff, just use native Debian-style configuration. Debian has its own way of doing things.
[05:02] <Blissex> ikasama: use the Debian configuration method for anything is 'System Administration', 'Samba' and 'Peripherals'.
[05:03] <ikasama> Whats the Debian way to mess with Samba?
[05:04] <teknoprep> Tm_T, but i did
[05:04] <Blissex> ikasama: I guess some variant of 'dpkg-reconfigure samba'
[05:04] <Tm_T> ?
[05:04] <Blissex> ikasama: or a few others. Check out the Ubuntu Wiki and the Debian docs, there should be plenty on the subject (I hope).
[05:05] <ikasama> Thanks
[05:05] <Blissex> some problem I have on IRC is that I am a very experienced guy so I always do manual configuration so I am not too familiar with helpful frontends...
[05:06] <ikasama> I suppose I should learn to do them manual just for "geek cred" but I'm lazy.
[05:07] <mrmanic|sleep> ikasama: yeah.  manual configuration is good for a LOT of IRC street cred
[05:07] <Blissex> ikasama: the manual way often requires too much effort unfortunately.
[05:07] <ikasama> Hence the not really doing it.
[05:08] <Blissex> ikasama: however all too often the ''helpful frontends'' dont do a good job. So one has to make tradeoffs...
[05:09] <Blissex> but they do a decent enough job for simple situations. So ofte they are a good idea.
[05:11] <ikasama> What I want to do should be easy in the file though because all I've got is a workgroup set up and I need to tell it the correct name of the workgroup.
[05:12] <Blissex> ikasama: thats pretty easy.
[05:12] <Blissex> ikasama: you tried 'dpkg-reconfigure samba' yet?
[05:13] <ikasama> No, I decide to look at smb.conf and see if I can figure it out.
[05:15] <ikasama> And indeed I did figure it out and it was easy
[05:16] <mrmanic> and you gained a little street cred in the process.
[05:16] <mrmanic> ikasama +2xp
[05:21] <mrmanic> you learned your lesson, eh?
[05:21] <buz> yeah
[05:21] <buz> but i curse antec
[05:21] <buz> i'll have to remove my mainboard on monday to install my new psu
[05:21] <buz> what sort of braindamaged does it need to build a case like that
[05:22] <Tm_T> =)
[05:22] <buz> but hey at least all my settings are still here
[05:22] <buz> which is more than what you can say about reinstalling winwoes
[05:23] <buz> but something weir dhappened during the install
[05:23] <buz> it stopped twice when it tried to read libc6 but the cd verified fine
[05:23] <buz> 3rd time it ran through
[05:41] <McScruff> lo
[05:42] <Riddell> I wonder where asfd.cable.ntl.com is
[05:44] <McScruff> uk :)
[05:45] <Pupeno> What's the deal with universe, multiverse and all that ? I think I've screwed up my system because every time I want to install something, it wans to uninstall kdelibs.
[05:46] <Pupeno> how do I get the original sources.list ?
[05:49] <McScruff> help
[05:49] <McScruff> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[05:49] <McScruff> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[05:49] <McScruff> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[06:01] <morten> ... Are there any FTP clint in KDE ?
[06:04] <amu> morten: ex. konqueror
[06:04] <othernoob> morten open kynaptic and look at the networking stuff
[06:05] <morten> Mkay.. else I'll just install gftp
[06:19] <yourghetek> oy
[06:19] <yourghetek> hey yall
[06:19] <yourghetek> i need a way to dial a number with my modem
[06:22] <teknoprep> bleh
[06:39] <teknoprep> you guys ever get this problem ....... Xlib: extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:48] <Tm_T> Riddell: any news about pykde?
[06:49] <Pupeno> Is there some explanation on what's on each of the repositories ?
[06:50] <Riddell> Tm_T: we're still doing c++ transition
[06:50] <Riddell> Pupeno: main is the stuff we put on the CDs, universe is everything else
[06:50] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, ok, take how long approx?
[06:51] <Pupeno> Riddell: and multiverse is like the weird unsuported stuff, right ?
[06:51] <Diablo-D3> multiverse is what debian calls non-free
[06:51] <Diablo-D3> its not weird unsupported stuff, its just the closed source version of universe
[06:51] <Riddell> Pupeno: restricted is stuff with restrictive licences that would otherwise go in main and multiverse is the same for universe
[06:52] <Pupeno> Ridell: a saw some linux kernels in restricted, am I wrong ?
[06:52] <Riddell> universe is also technically unsupported
[06:52] <Diablo-D3> not kernels, Pupeno 
[06:52] <Diablo-D3> kernel aprts
[06:52] <Diablo-D3> er
[06:52] <Diablo-D3> kernel parts
[06:52] <Riddell> Pupeno: quite likely, there's various linux modules with non-free licences
[06:52] <Pupeno> oh, ok.
[06:52] <Diablo-D3> kernel-restricted-2.6.x is in restricted
[06:53] <Diablo-D3> yup, what Riddell said
[06:53] <Pupeno> Well, I think I'll try to work with main mainly and then universe. Should I enable restricted ?
[06:53] <Diablo-D3> restricted is enabled by default
[06:54] <Diablo-D3> and you should enable universe and multiverse as well
[06:54] <Pupeno> Diablo-D3: I did that before and I end up with broken packages.
[06:54] <Diablo-D3> were you trying out breezy?
[06:54] <Pupeno> I don't know what breezy is.
[06:55] <Diablo-D3> Then you probably wernt.
[06:55] <Diablo-D3> There should be no broken packages in main, restricted, universe, or multiverse.
[06:55] <Pupeno> Diablo-D3: then, technically, I could just uncomment everything on the installed sources.list ?
[06:56] <Diablo-D3> yeah, and add multiverse to the two universe lines
[06:56] <Pupeno> There are four universe line, two of them on 'security'. (what are those ?)
[06:57] <Diablo-D3> erm
[06:57] <Diablo-D3> there is no security for universe.
[06:57] <Diablo-D3> security is a special distro for main and restricted only that carry security patches
[06:58] <Pupeno> Diablo-D3: ok... (but it is defined on my sources.list).
[06:58] <Diablo-D3> it shouldnt be
[06:58] <Diablo-D3> there should be 6 lines...
[06:59] <Pupeno> there are eight :D
[06:59] <Diablo-D3> two for main+restricted, two commented out for universe, and two for main+restricted security
[06:59] <Diablo-D3> weird, Ive never seen one with 8
[07:00] <Pupeno> Does this look good to you http://paste.lisp.org/display/8438 ?
[07:02] <Diablo-D3> hey teknoprep
[07:03] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: have you ever seen a sources list with security for univere?
[07:03] <Diablo-D3> Pupeno: well, you could probably take the cdrom out
[07:03] <Diablo-D3> Pupeno: oh hahah now I know why theres 8! hoary-updates
[07:03] <Diablo-D3> I completely forgot about that!
[07:03] <teknoprep> universe yes
[07:04] <teknoprep> not univere
[07:04] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: I thought there was no security for universe?
[07:04] <teknoprep> hmm
[07:04] <teknoprep> dunno
[07:04] <Pupeno> there I annotated that pasted with the original sources.list installed here.
[07:05] <Pupeno> Now, am I missing something else to avoid screwing up my system ? (like the preferences here: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#h2add )
[07:06] <Diablo-D3> Maybe there _is_ a security for universe
[07:06] <Riddell> there is security for universe but you can't depend on it
[07:07] <Diablo-D3> I could have swore there wasnt
[07:07] <Riddell> and it's last release only, not 18 months
[07:08] <Riddell> new kopete for testing
[07:08] <Riddell> deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/kdenetwork/ ./
[07:08] <Tm_T> :)
[07:08] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: cool
[07:09] <Diablo-D3> blah backports.ubuntuforums.org is down =/
[07:11] <Diablo-D3> anyone here using firefox?
[07:11] <Diablo-D3> http://schily.blogspot.com/2005/04/work-on-schillix-fiest-opensolaris.html
[07:11] <Diablo-D3> does that url crash for you?
[07:11] <vicks> i get a not found
[07:12] <Diablo-D3> it should work
[07:13] <Diablo-D3> nope, its actually up
[07:13] <Tm_T> =)
[07:13] <Diablo-D3> so does it crash firefox for you guys?
[07:13] <Tm_T> works ok
[07:14] <vicks> now, it's working, and no it works for me
[07:15] <Diablo-D3> damn
[07:23] <yourghetek> HELP! i need a convincing argument!!!
[07:23] <yourghetek> (10:12:36) mktlkez: alex, if i go to linux, ill have to start wearing suspenders and glasses
[07:23] <yourghetek> (10:12:40) mktlkez: im just not ready for that
[07:23] <yourghetek> (10:22:22) Alex Escalante: brock linux is pretty
[07:23] <yourghetek> (10:22:35) Alex Escalante: and its easier than windows
[07:23] <yourghetek> (10:22:53) mktlkez: well ill tell you what, ill give you a chance to convince me
[07:23] <shogouki> suspenders ? like in Dune ?
[07:24] <yourghetek> ...
[07:24] <shogouki> geeks are not *so* fat
[07:25] <shogouki> ho, seems thats suspenders havent the same signification in english than in french :)
[07:25] <shogouki> yourghetek: why dont use a live cd ?
[07:26] <yourghetek> i guess so
[07:26] <yourghetek> but i know he wants to use matlab and inventor so i will have to learn wine
[07:28] <thingy> The first bottle is always the hardest...and the hangovers aren't so good either!
[07:28] <yourghetek> yay! he will let me install kubuntu on his imac
[07:28] <yourghetek> score!
[07:29] <KaiL_> good luck for WLAN...
[07:30] <_andre> exist mozila firefox for linux? and macromedia freehand?
[07:31] <KaiL_> firefox? LOL? That was mostly developed on Linux ;)
[07:31] <KaiL_> Freehand not :(
[07:32] <_andre> =/
[07:32] <KaiL_> maybe wine helps (that's a tool to run windows apps on Linux)
[07:33] <yourghetek> andre get the koffice suite
[07:34] <yourghetek> http://pastebin.com/287051
[07:34] <KaiL_> how many tools for vactor graphics does koffice have now? ;)
[07:34] <yourghetek> what do you guys think? is it AI?
[07:34] <_andre> yourghetek...is another program for run windows programs in linux?
[07:34] <yourghetek> it has 1
[07:34] -silvinka77:#kubuntu- #GETRANK2
[07:34] <KaiL_> but had 3 or 4 others before? :)
[07:34] <Diablo-D3> ......
[07:34] <Diablo-D3> fucking bots
[07:35] <yourghetek> it did!
[07:35] <yourghetek> oh yeah
[07:35] <yourghetek> wow
[07:36] <yourghetek> well isnt karbon the default vector graqphics program for koffice?
[07:38] <yourghetek> wow i just realized that my face is 1 foot away from a 19 inch monitor
[07:38] <yourghetek> i should back up
[07:46] <Pupeno> Ok, I'm getting this error:
[07:46] <Pupeno> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:46] <Pupeno>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[07:46] <Pupeno> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:46] <Pupeno> any ideas ?
[07:47] <Riddell> Pupeno: http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh
[07:47] <Pupeno> Riddell: thanks.
[07:48] <Riddell> one day that'll be fixed in the archives
[07:51] <Pupeno> Riddell: then, may I continue to upgrade as usual ?
[07:51] <Riddell> Pupeno: yes
[07:52] <_andre> someone tel me a site how learn pogramacion of linux?
[07:52] <_andre> *to
[07:53] <Pupeno> _andre: there's no thing exactly as that, do you speak spanish ?
[07:54] <_andre> no, i'm portuguese
[07:54] <Pupeno> _andre: oic... commonly, people that make programs for linux use C, or C++. Do you know how to program in any of those languages ?
[07:55] <_andre> no :S
[07:55] <Pupeno> _andre: I don't like those languages, but you may start there.
[07:56] <_andre> what linguage i have to start? C or C++?
[07:56] <_andre> or is the same thing?
[07:57] <Pupeno> _andre: no, it's not the same thing, C++ is a bigger C with more features (object orientation mainly)... start with C.
[07:57] <Pupeno> then move to C++ if you feel like it.
[07:57] <_andre> ok thx ;)
[07:57] <_andre> exist some program to program C ?
[07:57] <buz> c got a lot of ways to shoot yourself in the foot, c++ got double of that
[07:58] <_andre> Pupeno exist some program to program C ?
[07:58] <Pupeno> buz: C and C++ are good to shoot yourself in the foot, C is like a revolver and C++ is an Ak-47 ;)
[07:58] <buz> something like that yes
[07:58] <Riddell> _andre: I recommend starting with Python rather than C++, it's a lot easier to get into
[07:59] <buz> yeah python is a nice language to start in
[07:59] <buz> as is java and c#
[07:59] <_andre> thx ;)
[07:59] <Pupeno> _andre: what would that be ? there are a lot of programs involved: a compiler (gcc, g++), editors (vim, emacs, kate), IDEs (Kdevelop3).
[08:04] <buz> mhh since i reinstalled kubuntu, my mouse wheel doesnt work anymore...
[08:04] <teknoprep> bleh
[08:04] <teknoprep> that sucks
[08:04] <teknoprep> change your dirver in you xorg.conf
[08:04] <buz> what could it be
[08:04] <buz> wrong driver?
[08:04] <KaiL_> could you drop /etc/X11/xorg.conf there: http://pastebin.ca/
[08:05] <buz>         Option          "Protocol"              "ImPS/2"
[08:05] <buz>         Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"
[08:05] <buz> thats probably wrong
[08:06] <buz> now where did i have that old xorg conf
[08:06] <KaiL_> that looks ok
[08:06] <Diablo-D3> that looks wrong if you actually have a third button
[08:06] <teknoprep> turn off Emulate3Buttons
[08:06] <KaiL_> eh, is there some ZAxisMapping?
[08:06] <buz>         Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5
[08:06] <buz> wtf would kubuntu set emulate3buttons to true
[08:07] <buz> more likely than not, people have 3 buttons mice
[08:07] <KaiL_> emulate3buttons is unproblematic, it get's autodisabled, if there's a wheel
[08:07] <Diablo-D3> buz: because it doesnt actually hurt you
[08:07] <Diablo-D3> it doesnt stop a real 3rd button from working
[08:07] <Diablo-D3> KaiL_: not quite
[08:07] <buz> mhh middle click still works at least
[08:07] <buz> but the wheel doesnt work
[08:07] <Diablo-D3> 3rd button emulation is triggered by clicking left and right at the same time
[08:07] <Diablo-D3> which is annoying sometimes
[08:07] <KaiL_> oh, right, stays enabled
[08:07] <Diablo-D3> especially if you want to bind that to something else
[08:09] <KaiL_> reh
[08:09] <buz> i killed emulate3buttons now the wheel works
[08:09] <KaiL_> that's strange 
[08:10] <KaiL_> what mouse?
[08:10] <buz> dirt cheap logitech 3button of old age
[08:10] <buz> optical
[08:10] <buz> first gen optical i think
[08:10] <buz> these days, you get those for 12$
[08:11] <teknoprep> trackballs are the best
[08:11] <teknoprep> the ones you use your thumb with
[08:11] <KaiL_> hehe
[08:11] <teknoprep> especially with a lapptop
[08:11] <teknoprep> you don't need much room 
[08:11] <teknoprep> and mousepads suck
[08:11] <buz> i hate trackballs
[08:11] <KaiL_> http://www2.alternate.de/html/shop/productDetails.html?artno=NMZL75& such?
[08:11] <buz> and i bloody hate touchpads
[08:11] <teknoprep> have you ever used one long enough to get used to it
[08:11] <buz> yeah much like that 
[08:11] <buz> different color though
[08:11] <buz> nah
[08:12] <buz> i hated it so badly i'd get a mouse after 20min
[08:12] <teknoprep> bleh junk
[08:12] <teknoprep> micorosft mice are the most comfortable
[08:12] <buz> nah
[08:12] <buz> i dont like those curved mice
[08:12] <buz> plain standard fit my hand better
[08:13] <buz> (i got relatively small hands)
[08:13] <buz> damned
[08:13] <KaiL_> I have a Logitech MX510 now - good one!
[08:13] <buz> batteries of both ibooks here are being recalled
[08:13] <buz> i dont quite get that thing about those high end mice
[08:14] <KaiL_> I like to have big mice ;)
[08:14] <teknoprep> very nice mouse.......... http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=032
[08:15] <Diablo-D3> bah microsoft sucks
[08:15] <teknoprep> haha no way
[08:15] <buz> bluetooth mice suck
[08:15] <teknoprep> LOL no way
[08:15] <teknoprep> i needed a mouse with more the 6ft range for my HDTV
[08:15] <teknoprep> wireless
[08:15] <Diablo-D3> then get a damn extension cable
[08:15] <buz> bah
[08:15] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, you nut job
[08:15] <buz> my logitech rf mice works for 6ft as well
[08:15] <teknoprep> or just get a wireless bluetooth mouse
[08:15] <buz> and the keyboard, too :)
[08:16] <teknoprep> no more then 6ft
[08:16] <teknoprep> i needed like a good 22ft
[08:16] <teknoprep> and they work up to 100ft
[08:16] <buz> and was like 60$ together 
[08:16] <buz> so what
[08:16] <teknoprep> mine was 149 together
[08:16] <buz> the htpc is near me anyway
[08:16] <KaiL_> wonderfull MS page
[08:16] <KaiL_> so fast...
[08:16] <buz> i dont want to get up to change dvds after lal
[08:16] <teknoprep> getting one of these instead of the logitc one .. http://microsoft.links.channelintelligence.com/pages/prices.asp?sSKU=D67-00001
[08:17] <KaiL_> ah, now
[08:18] <KaiL_> 5 button?
[08:18] <KaiL_> +2D wheel
[08:18] <teknoprep> yeah
[08:18] <Diablo-D3> ftp://35.9.117.16/Final_Fantasy_7_CidSendsaDreamtotheUnderseaPalace_OC_ReMix.mp3
[08:18] <teknoprep> scrool left and right or up and down
[08:18] <KaiL_> pressing that wheel down is something impossible...
[08:19] <teknoprep> eh
[08:20] <KaiL_> _69 EUR_? hell
[08:25] <KaiL_> teknoprep: do you such a bluetooth mouse?
[08:25] <KaiL_> with linux?
[08:25] <teknoprep> yeah
[08:25] <teknoprep> but i did it on gentoo
[08:25] <buz> is there anyway to feed SMART temps into ksensors?
[08:25] <teknoprep> i can't find the kde bluetooth package for ubuntu
[08:25] <buz> i dont think it actually exists ;)
[08:26] <buz> the debian one did work for me once
[08:26] <teknoprep> bleh
[08:26] <teknoprep> wtf
[08:26] <teknoprep> i'll get the debian one
[08:26] <Riddell> teknoprep: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu/
[08:26] <havok> hi there
[08:27] <havok> Where are Xorg's fonts file? 
[08:27] <KaiL_> havok: updated to breezy? ;)
[08:27] <KaiL_> /usr/share/X11/fonts (on hoary it was /usr/lib/X11/fonts)
[08:27] <havok> KaiL_: i dist-upgraded breezy yesterday
[08:28] <buz> have fun then
[08:28] <buz> breezy is in a completely fucked up state
[08:28] <havok> buz: =) I see
[08:29] <uniq> havok: there might me a few clues at ubuntuforums.org
[08:29] <havok> but yesterday it was working [I'm using breezy for a month] 
[08:29] <havok> uniq: ok I'll take a look
[08:29] <Pupeno> Is there a program similar to firestart but kdeish ?
[08:29] <buz> i fixed it by nuking breezy and reinstalling hoary ;)
[08:29] <uniq> pupeno: guarddog + guidedog
[08:30] <havok> buz: hmm no I'd not like to nuke it 
[08:30] <havok> I'll just wait =)
[08:30] <buz> mhh
[08:30] <buz> i needed to use openoffice
[08:31] <Pupeno> uniq: thanks.
[08:31] <KaiL_> Riddell: you should clean kdebluetooth dependency list a bit - xmms..?
[08:32] <uniq> i think motaboy does kdebluetooth.. 
[08:32] <havok> buz: I was wondering why there is no font file in my lib/X11/fonts directory
[08:32] <KaiL_> ...not to mention bluez-utils it broken with breezy
[08:32] <uniq> havok: the fonts are beeing moved into /usr/share/fonts or something like that.. 
[08:32] <buz> mhh now why doesnt ksensors find any lm_sensors stuff
[08:33] <havok> uniq: oook. this might be useful.. thanks =)
[08:33] <havok> [tweak tweak.. hack hack] 
[08:33] <havok> [break break] 
[08:34] <edulix> hi !
[08:34] <uniq> breezy is all about breaking theese days.
[08:34] <edulix> I have a dell laptop, with an Intel P4 Mobile CPU. why does kubuntu installs kernel linux-386 instead of linux-686 ?
[08:35] <Almindor> how can enable users to set negative nice value with nice command?
[08:35] <havok> uniq: IIRC they're changing gcc to 4.0
[08:35] <Almindor> I can only set positive nice as user
[08:35] <havok> but I'm not so sure
[08:35] <uniq> havok: yes. that's correct.
[08:36] <havok> uniq:  this will do breezy more and more f*ck*ed up =)
[08:36] <havok> [we'll have to wait] 
[08:36] <Tm_T> lovely =)
[08:36] <Almindor> where are "nice" perms configured?
[08:38] <uniq> almindor: i'd suggest using sudo for that.. 
[08:38] <Almindor> can't
[08:38] <Almindor> the application detects it
[08:39] <Almindor> it runs only for pids owned by user
[08:39] <Almindor> I'd like to be able to "control" my OS btw
[08:39] <Almindor> that's why I dumped windblows 2 years ago in the 1st place :)
[08:40] <Almindor> or is it unconfigurable?
[08:40] <uniq> the application detects renicing and dies if renice isn't run as the same user? 
[08:40] <Almindor> it's cedega
[08:40] <Almindor> cedega runs wine-server
[08:40] <uniq> how do you nice it? 
[08:41] <uniq> start with 'nice ... cedega app.exe' ? 
[08:41] <Almindor> sudo nice -20 cedega autoplay.exe
[08:41] <Almindor> wine: '/home/ales/.transgaming/wineserver-Almindor' is not owned by you
[08:41] <Almindor> sad but true :D
[08:41] <uniq> try sudo renice -10 `pidof wineserver`
[08:42] <uniq> -20 isn't adviseable. imho.
[08:42] <Almindor> yeah well :)
[08:43] <uniq> try to use renice.. while cedega is running.
[08:43] <Almindor> doesn't seem to change it
[08:43] <Almindor> yeah I did
[08:43] <Almindor> it doesn't complain
[08:43] <teknoprep> how do i get a screen shot of a dvd playing
[08:43] <Almindor> but it's still 0 in the list
[08:43] <teknoprep> its comming up blank
[08:44] <uniq> almindor: tried to renice other applications?
[08:44] <Almindor> nope not yet
[08:44] <Almindor> I'll play with it
[08:44] <Almindor> thanks
[08:45] <buz> does anybody have kaffeine ubuntu5 for hoary?
[08:46] <Diablo-D3> buz: why do you ask?
[08:46] <buz> because ubuntu2 is broken
[08:46] <KaiL_> kaffeine_0.6-0ubuntu5_i386.deb ?
[08:46] <KaiL_> breezy ;)
[08:47] <Diablo-D3> Version: 0.6-0ubuntu2
[08:47] <Diablo-D3> ouch.
[08:47] <buz> breezy's not coming near my machine
[08:47] <teknoprep> lol
[08:47] <buz> once burnt twice shy
[08:47] <teknoprep> is it that bad, breezy
[08:47] <Diablo-D3> you could ask it to be backported
[08:47] <buz> i just spend half the after noon reinstalling hoary because of the recent breezy "IMPROVEMENTS"
[08:47] <Diablo-D3> teknoprep: not really, its just not suggested you run it
[08:47] <buz> it's well known to be broken
[08:47] <KaiL_> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/kde/kaffeine ..doesn't work with hoary..
[08:47] <buz> well currently, there's not much you can run anyway
[08:48] <teknoprep> ubuntu has alot of broken shit
[08:48] <buz> yeah
[08:48] <teknoprep> like apt-get update with kubuntu fubar's kde
[08:48] <buz> i thinkit only did that once
[08:48] <teknoprep> i mean apt-get upgrade
[08:48] <buz> before the official release
[08:48] <buz> which isn't good but not all too bad eithr
[08:48] <buz> now if it happens with stable releases, i'm gonna be pissed
[08:49] <KaiL_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27670 this packages seams to work
[08:50] <teknoprep> this kubuntu install i have is perfect tho
[08:50] <buz> otoh i could just stick to vlc
[08:50] <teknoprep> no crashing of anything
[08:50] <buz> na its not
[08:50] <teknoprep> and its extremly fast
[08:50] <buz> you just didnt notice its brokenness so far
[08:50] <teknoprep> lol
[08:50] <teknoprep> nah
[08:50] <buz> try to run kaffeine
[08:50] <teknoprep> took me like 5 installs
[08:50] <buz> you'll see what happens when you quit it
[08:50] <teknoprep> kaffeine runs great
[08:50] <buz> try to quit it
[08:50] <teknoprep> i just did
[08:50] <buz> it will stay there forever, eating all cpu it can
[08:50] <teknoprep> you mean hit the X
[08:51] <teknoprep> in the top right corner
[08:51] <teknoprep> i just did that and runs perfect
[08:51] <buz> yeah
[08:51] <buz> do a top now ;)
[08:51] <teknoprep> LOL
[08:51] <teknoprep> yeah its there
[08:51] <teknoprep> lol wtf
[08:51] <buz> and the bug is pretty well known
[08:51] <teknoprep> bleh
[08:52] <buz> it was actually reported before hoary went gold
[08:52] <teknoprep> killall -9 kaffiene works good
[08:52] <buz> yeah
[08:52] <buz> but you shouldnt have to do that
[08:52] <teknoprep> nope
[08:52] <buz> worst thing, in the prerelease, it worked just fine
[08:52] <teknoprep> i don't use kaffiene much
[08:52] <teknoprep> i prefer mplayer
[08:52] <buz> neither do it
[08:52] <buz> i
[08:52] <buz> but its better than xine
[08:52] <teknoprep> lol
[08:52] <buz> mplayer sorta stinks with some streams
[08:52] <teknoprep> xine audio rocks
[08:53] <buz> kaffeine uses xine engine i think
[08:53] <teknoprep> lots of nice options
[08:53] <teknoprep> also'
[08:53] <teknoprep> just get crossoffice
[08:53] <teknoprep> and run wmp 6.4
[08:53] <teknoprep> lol
[08:53] <teknoprep> runs perfect
[08:54] <teknoprep> anyone want the full version of cross office
[08:54] <teknoprep> i have version 3.x
[08:54] <teknoprep> just send me a /msg and i will dcc it to you
[08:55] <buz> dude ur not supposed to do that here
[08:55] <teknoprep> what
[08:55] <teknoprep> its paid for... i don't use 3.0 anymore
[08:55] <teknoprep> i use 4 now
[08:56] <buz> mhh
[08:56] <buz> if you bought the upgrade you may still not give it away ;)
[08:56] <buz> wtf
[08:57] <buz> i changed light bulbs last night and now i'm in darkness again
[08:57] <teknoprep> buz.. please stop with the symantics of it all
[08:57] <teknoprep> i don't htink you can even buy an upgrade
[08:57] <buz> does it actually work?
[08:57] <buz> i never actually got something to run under wine itself
[08:57] <teknoprep> and at $40 a pop.. my company didn't care when i bought 10 copies
[08:57] <teknoprep> buz it works flawlessly
[08:58] <buz> mhh
[08:58] <buz> they say that about wine as well :=
[08:58] <teknoprep> i run m$ office xp under it
[08:58] <teknoprep> lol this is easy to use tho
[08:58] <teknoprep> you should try it
[08:58] <buz> mhh i run it under vmware
[08:58] <buz> vmware5 runs as fast as one needs it for non gaming stuff
[08:58] <teknoprep> hell i can use internet explorer and download stuff like mIRC and install it..
[08:59] <buz> yeah well i do that too :)
[08:59] <buz> not that anyone actually wants to use ie
[09:00] <teknoprep> you can even do windows updates
[09:00] <teknoprep> i know its whack
[09:00] <teknoprep> but funny
[09:00] <buz> mhh im firewalled
[09:00] <_josh> hello, friends
[09:00] <teknoprep> hold
[09:01] <CapKrugers> i'm wondering how to change my refresh rate in kubuntu
[09:01] <CapKrugers> but the problem is
[09:01] <buz> im gonna go get the trial then :)
[09:01] <buz> it will do for my tests
[09:01] <CapKrugers> for my resolution only one mode is available
[09:01] <CapKrugers> however i know my monitor supports different modes
[09:01] <CapKrugers> and i've already edited xorg.conf to try to reflect this
[09:02] <ikasama> Reinstalling worked for me.
[09:02] <teknoprep> www.readingeagle.com/crawlings/install-crossover-standard-3.0.1
[09:02] <teknoprep> you guys have 20 minutes to finish that before i delete it
[09:02] <ikasama> Which was kinda inexplicable since I did it the same both times.
[09:02] <binks> hi all
[09:02] <teknoprep> http://www.readingeagle.com/crawlings/install-crossover-standard-3.0.1.sh
[09:03] <CapKrugers> has anyone had a similar problem?
[09:03] <binks> if i want to start my dvb-c i believe i have to install the fimware but where do i put it 
[09:04] <Pupeno> What's the program to configure the network interfaces ?
[09:04] <ikasama> Yes Kap, I tryed configuring manualy which crashed my system, then I reinstalled and it worked for no real reason.
[09:04] <ikasama> ^ for CapKrugers
[09:04] <teknoprep> 15minutes left to get this lol.. http://www.readingeagle.com/crawlings/install-crossover-standard-3.0.1.sh
[09:05] <teknoprep> no its not a virus also
[09:06] <cricalix> The kopete .deb listed in the topic.. i386 only.  Anyone got the patched source so I can build an amd64 package?
[09:06] <teknoprep> isn't there source
[09:06] <teknoprep> that you can build for the amd64
[09:07] <cricalix> Hmm.. well, apt-get is insisting on talking to archive.ubuntu.com
[09:07] <buz> cricalix: its in kopete's SVN
[09:07] <cricalix> nod.. but the svn copy refuses to play nicely on my box right now
[09:07] <cricalix> can't get LD_LIBRARY_PATH to override /usr/lib
[09:08] <cricalix> so kopete gets relocation errors
[09:08] <vicks> CapKrugers: have you checked the forums. there's a lot written there
[09:08] <CapKrugers> vicks: yeah, didn't really help....I already changed xorg.conf to reflect that my monitor can take different modes
[09:09] <CapKrugers> also, different refresh rates are available for lower resolutions....
[09:09] <CapKrugers> it doesn't seem to make sens
[09:09] <CapKrugers> ikasama: reinstall what? kde only? reformat?
[09:09] <binks> does anyone no about hotplug and firmware for a dvb card
[09:12] <cricalix> Hmm.. the source wants to build all of kdenetwork.. I just need kopete
[09:14] <teknoprep> why not try gaim
[09:14] <teknoprep> gaim owns kopete
[09:14] <teknoprep> aim colors are shot on kopete and sometimes you can't read what they day
[09:14] <cricalix> I've used gaim, don't like it.
[09:14] <teknoprep> /s/day/sa
[09:14] <cricalix> My aim is not to use aim, it's to use msn.
[09:14] <teknoprep> gaim does msn
[09:14] <teknoprep> but whatever
[09:15] <cricalix> yes, it does
[09:15] <cricalix> I've used gaim before.. many times
[09:15] <cricalix> don't like it.
[09:15] <teknoprep> bbiab
[09:15] <teknoprep> hey
[09:15] <teknoprep> you guys donedownloading that
[09:15] <teknoprep> send me a /msg
[09:15] <teknoprep> i want to delete the file off my http server
[09:16] <buz> fine by me
[09:18] <vicks> CapKrugers: what was wrong for me, was that the hsync that i got when running gtf wasn't in the horizsync range that was specified for my mointor in xorg.config
[09:18] <Pupeno> hello
[09:19] <Pupeno> can anybody please tell me how to configure the network on kubuntu ? /etc/init.d/network fails to start without any further messages and I can't find anything in the logs, so, I don't get my interfaces configured properly. And I had to start pppoe by hand, it is supoused to start automatically.
[09:22] <whoiam55> anyone good with squid ?
[09:22] <teknoprep> me
[09:22] <teknoprep> what
[09:22] <teknoprep> if you suck with squid you have a shit load to learn
[09:23] <teknoprep> www.webmin.com .. install it.. use it
[09:23] <whoiam55> tek, I want a software to monitor who is accessing my squid server and what they are browsing thru it
[09:23] <teknoprep> its your admin friend
[09:23] <teknoprep> ok
[09:23] <teknoprep> if you use squid as a trasperant proxy.. using iptables to nat port 80 to whatever port you are running your proxy service on 
[09:23] <teknoprep> you can then use squid transparently
[09:24] <teknoprep> this will allow you to also see every site that is requested by any user using your proxy
[09:24] <whoiam55> I'm using squid with dansguardina, I'm not using squid tranperently
[09:24] <teknoprep> this log is kept at /var/log/squid/access.log
[09:24] <teknoprep> use it transparently
[09:24] <teknoprep> if you don't you can bypass it
[09:24] <teknoprep> transparent is the best way
[09:24] <teknoprep> danguardian is great
[09:24] <whoiam55> but, I can't use it due to some other reason
[09:24] <whoiam55> :(
[09:24] <teknoprep> what can't you use
[09:25] <teknoprep> if you want to see all your connections
[09:25] <teknoprep> check out the log file
[09:25] <teknoprep> /var/log/squid/access.log
[09:25] <teknoprep> it shows ip and where they going info
[09:25] <whoiam55> we are using some other programs (which is shity enough) and it will not allow you to connect it you using a gateway :(
[09:25] <whoiam55> didn't I still use iptables for port 8080 ?
[09:26] <teknoprep> you can also define a proxy defintively if you want to also use a transparent proxy
[09:26] <teknoprep> you can do both
[09:26] <whoiam55> how ?
[09:26] <whoiam55> please tell 
[09:26] <teknoprep> just have your your program point at the <proxy.ip:port>
[09:26] <teknoprep> and have your Browser clients use no proxy
[09:26] <teknoprep> then tell iptaebles on the proxy
[09:27] <teknoprep> hold let me get ruel
[09:27] <whoiam55> ok
[09:27] <Pupeno> Does anybody know how to configure the network ?
[09:27] <whoiam55> lemme read your replies then :p
[09:27] <whoiam55> I'm too slow in reading
[09:28] <teknoprep> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp -d proxy.ip --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination proxy.ip:8080
[09:28] <whoiam55> it is for routing traffice from port 80 to port 8080 ?
[09:28] <teknoprep> so anything comming into the proxy box as long as its your firewall gateway
[09:28] <teknoprep> you squid box must be your default gateway of last resort for this to work
[09:28] <teknoprep> if not just set it up either manually on each box
[09:29] <whoiam55> I'm looking for "how can I monitor network access on port 8080"
[09:29] <teknoprep> or if you use Active Directory.. just setup the GPO to have the proxy settting in it
[09:29] <teknoprep> what do you want to know
[09:29] <teknoprep> there are thousands of ways
[09:29] <teknoprep> tcpdump
[09:29] <whoiam55> "how to monitor network access on port 8080"
[09:29] <teknoprep> ethereal
[09:29] <teknoprep> ntop
[09:30] <whoiam55> thank you very much my friend, but what I want is
[09:30] <teknoprep> you could just use iptables to log every packet using the -j LOG function
[09:30] <whoiam55> wait 
[09:30] <whoiam55> lemme take a snap
[09:30] <teknoprep> lol
[09:30] <Pupeno> this is really frustrating.
[09:30] <teknoprep> what is
[09:30] <teknoprep> we all know how to configure the network
[09:30] <teknoprep> its not hard
[09:30] <teknoprep> Pupeno, what is the problem first
[09:30] <teknoprep> Pupeno, and don'tjust tell me it doesn work
[09:31] <teknoprep> Pupeno, if thats all you can tell me, the problem is a pebkac
[09:31] <teknoprep> Pupeno, and we can still help you with that
[09:31] <Diablo-D3> hey guys
[09:31] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, WHATS UP MANG
[09:32] <Pupeno> The problem is I can't get my network configured properly. /etc/network/interfaces look good, but /etc/init.d/networking fails (and I can't find any error message). I configured the LAN ip with kcontrol, I couldn't find another tool to do it.
[09:32] <Diablo-D3> lets say I had a kwin theme that emulated black/open/fluxbox
[09:32] <teknoprep> Diablo-D3, ITS NATIONAL CAPS DAY
[09:32] <Diablo-D3> what would I name it?
[09:32] <teknoprep> penquin
[09:32] <edsuom> kbox?
[09:32] <teknoprep> zebra
[09:32] <teknoprep> but thats taken for networking protocol program
[09:32] <Diablo-D3> Im pretty sure kbox is taken
[09:33] <teknoprep> lol Pupeno
[09:33] <buz> fuglytheme
[09:33] <teknoprep> Pupeno, do you have a dhcp server on your network
[09:33] <Pupeno> teknoprep: lol ?
[09:33] <teknoprep> Pupeno, dhcp
[09:33] <Pupeno> teknoprep: no.
[09:33] <teknoprep> Pupeno, do you know what that is
[09:34] <Pupeno> teknoprep: I don't have a dhcp server and I don't want one. Yes, I know what it is.
[09:34] <teknoprep> Pupeno, bleh
[09:34] <teknoprep> Pupeno, ifconfig eth0 ip.address.you.wan 
[09:34] <Diablo-D3> bad teknoprep 
[09:34] <Pupeno> teknoprep: this network is two computers, I can handle two ips by myself.
[09:34] <teknoprep> Pupeno, route add default gw <your.default.gateway>
[09:34] <Pupeno> teknoprep: reboot and boom, I had to re-do everything again.
[09:34] <Diablo-D3> iface eth0 inet static
[09:34] <Diablo-D3> address 192.168.0.2
[09:34] <Diablo-D3> netmask 255.255.255.0
[09:34] <Diablo-D3> gateway 192.168.0.1
[09:34] <teknoprep> lol
[09:34] <teknoprep> well i was going to get to that if he does get connectivity
[09:35] <Diablo-D3> thats what you want in /etc/network/interfaces
[09:35] <Pupeno> teknoprep: the gateway is assigned automatically by pppoe (pon does it succesfully).
[09:35] <teknoprep> bleh.. so you do have a dhcp server
[09:35] <Pupeno> Diablo-D3: that's, more or less, what I have, as I said, /etc/network/interfaces look good, but /etc/init.d/networking fails to start.
[09:35] <teknoprep> outside of your local network
[09:35] <Diablo-D3> Pupeno: if you're using pppoe, you dont need to configure eth0 
[09:35] <Pupeno> teknoprep: no, I don't.
[09:35] <teknoprep> well you answer to one
[09:35] <Pupeno> you are driving me mad:
[09:36] <Pupeno> eth0: 10.0.0.1 LAN.
[09:36] <teknoprep> why
[09:36] <Pupeno> eth1: pppoe.
[09:36] <teknoprep> ok
[09:36] <Diablo-D3> ooh
[09:36] <Diablo-D3> Pupeno: then eth0 needs to be configured right
[09:36] <Diablo-D3> and eth1 bridges to ppp0
[09:36] <Pupeno> I only want to be able to automatically set 10.0.0.1 to eth0 and start pppoe on eth1 (then masquerade and all that, I'll take care).
[09:36] <Diablo-D3> afk
[09:37] <Pupeno> Diablo-D3: eth1 is already bridging to ppp0 (that's how I'm connectiong), but it doesn't start automatically at boot (I believe because /etc/init.d/networking *fails*).
[09:37] <teknoprep> whats does /var/log/messages say
[09:37] <teknoprep> open a console up and do this
[09:37] <teknoprep> tail -f /var/log/messages
[09:37] <Pupeno> I know what to do.
[09:37] <teknoprep> then open another one up and do
[09:37] <teknoprep> /etc/init.d/network restart
[09:37] <Pupeno> Look, I'm not a newbie, I just don't know ubuntu/debian.
[09:38] <teknoprep> or whatever it is in debian
[09:38] <teknoprep> i am not arguing with Noobishness or not
[09:38] <Pupeno> teknoprep: /etc/init.d/network doesn't exists, it's /etc/init.d/networking, it fails and nothing comes on /var/log/messages
[09:38] <teknoprep> either deal with me spelling everything out so you don't fuck up
[09:38] <teknoprep> or leave
[09:38] <Pupeno> I can't find any useful log on /var/log after greping.
[09:39] <teknoprep> hmm
[09:39] <teknoprep> past your /etc/network/interfaces script onto www.pastebin.com
[09:40] <teknoprep> oh yes
[09:40] <teknoprep> do this
[09:40] <teknoprep> ifup -a
[09:40] <vicks> anyone heard of the progress on the msn-bug kopete? anyone tried the kopete-test?
[09:40] <teknoprep> what error does it give you
[09:40] <teknoprep> is the kopete bug where you can't log in
[09:40] <Pupeno> teknoprep: ifup -a gave me some useful error to work on... thank you :)
[09:40] <teknoprep> np
[09:41] <teknoprep> if you read the script /etc/init.d/network
[09:41] <teknoprep> you would have seen what it does
[09:41] <teknoprep> ifup -a is one of them
[09:41] <teknoprep> i believe it parses our errors tho in the network script
[09:41] <teknoprep> i dunno tho
[09:41] <teknoprep> not long on debian
[09:41] <whoiam55> teknoperp, I'm sorry, I'm not able to find any snapshot. actually what I want it "I want a programs to show the current activity of users, what they fetching from squid" that's it
[09:41] <Pupeno> teknoprep: thank, I solved it :)
[09:41] <teknoprep> lol
[09:42] <Pupeno> thank you.
[09:42] <teknoprep> whoiam55, tail -f /var/log/squid/access.log
[09:42] <teknoprep> Pupeno, np
[09:42] <whoiam55> teknoprep, you loling for me ?
[09:42] <teknoprep> whoiam55, type that in foo
[09:42] <teknoprep> and you will see all active connections
[09:42] <teknoprep> whoiam55, as they come in
[09:42] <whoiam55> lemme check
[09:42] <teknoprep> you can also check out ntop
[09:43] <whoiam55> BTW what is foo ?
[09:43] <teknoprep> ntop can show you graphically
[09:43] <teknoprep> foo is what i say to ppl who are foo
[09:43] <teknoprep> foo is foo
[09:43] <teknoprep> foo
[09:43] <whoiam55> ok foo foo foo :p
[09:44] <teknoprep> vicks and teknow
[09:44] <whoiam55> teknoprep, it's really nice to meet to such a kind person like you.
[09:44] <teknoprep> lol
[09:44] <teknoprep> i used to have vicks vapo rub under my nose when i was listening to tekno and rolling my brains out before
[09:44] <teknoprep> lol whoiam55 i am not kind
[09:44] <teknoprep> whoiam55, i just get shit done fast
[09:44] <whoiam55> lemme check your tail command
[09:44] <teknoprep> thats all
[09:44] <vicks> teknoprep: lol
[09:45] <whoiam55> you are using vicks vapo rub (i'm suspecting you are from india ?)
[09:45] <teknoprep> lol
[09:45] <teknoprep> i am from the US 
[09:45] <teknoprep> wtf
[09:45] <whoiam55> vicks is avl. there ?
[09:45] <whoiam55> :-o
[09:45] <whoiam55> I think it's an india product (and limited only in india)
[09:45] <whoiam55> lol
[09:46] <whoiam55> BTW my english is suck badly, and I'm leaving before you fedup :p
[09:46] <teknoprep> whoiam55, did that not show you what you want to see
[09:46] <teknoprep> whoiam55, you should install NTOP if it did not
[09:47] <teknoprep> whoiam55, but that is a fun program to install
[09:48] <whoiam55> tail is working exactly what I want, but it's a pain in *** to understand it :p
[09:48] <whoiam55> lemme check nrop
[09:48] <whoiam55> *ntopp
[09:48] <whoiam55> *ntop
[09:48] <Pupeno> I remember a program to configure which services to start at boot-time on Debian, is it available on kubuntu ?
[09:49] <whoiam55> can I get  here usualy ?
[09:49] <whoiam55> I think is would be, coz ubuntu/kubuntu both based on debian
[09:49] <whoiam55> btw what was that program name ?
[09:49] <teknoprep> ntop
[09:49] <teknoprep> didn't tail do what you needed it to do
[09:49] <whoiam55> I was asking from Pupeno
[09:49] <whoiam55> lol
[09:50] <whoiam55> teknoprep, tail doing exactly what I want
[09:50] <whoiam55> thnx
[09:50] <teknoprep> np
[09:50] <transgress> anyone canadian here?
[09:50] <teknoprep> you can setup a log parser and/or syslog -> sql.. then setup a web page with sql access to make it a webpage
[09:51] <teknoprep> i am close transgress
[09:51] <teknoprep> PA
[09:51] <teknoprep> only about 300 miles away lol
[09:51] <whoiam55> teknoprep lemme check ntop first
[09:51] <teknoprep> its nice
[09:51] <teknoprep> you should check out www.redwall-firewall.com
[09:51] <teknoprep> its setup very nice
[09:51] <whoiam55> tek, lemme check
[09:52] <teknoprep> comes with ntop.. and tons of other shit
[09:52] <teknoprep> preinstalled and preconfigured .. just need a few setting for you personal network and you are good to go
[09:53] <whoiam55> hmm. does show me file name aswell, like "200.100.10.1------->get---------http://www.yahoo.com/abcd.jpg"
[09:54] <whoiam55> teknoprep, it's a bootable cd :(
[09:54] <whoiam55> I need a program
[09:54] <teknoprep> yeah
[09:54] <teknoprep> you can also just run it from a cd
[09:54] <teknoprep> and store your settings to a usb drive.. hdd... or floppy drive
[09:54] <teknoprep> or you can install it .. read the docs
[09:54] <teknoprep> its very nice
[09:55] <teknoprep> i have it running in my firewall cluster at work
[09:55] <Pupeno-> did someone answered me while I was away ? :S
[09:55] <teknoprep> and for my VPN's
[09:55] <teknoprep> answer what
[09:55] <Pupeno-> I remember a program to configure which services to start at boot-time on Debian, is it available on kubuntu ?
[09:55] <Pupeno-> that :D
[09:56] <teknoprep> dunno
[09:56] <teknoprep> i use webmin
[09:56] <Pupeno-> ok.
[09:56] <whoiam55> Pupeno, try update-rc.d
[09:57] <teknoprep> i don't use debian for my servers
[09:57] <whoiam55> teknoperp, my kubuntu box always trying to sync clock with it's servers. is it possible to disable it ?
[09:57] <teknoprep> so i dun know much about it
[09:57] <teknoprep> dunno
[09:57] <teknoprep> probably
[09:58] <whoiam55> I checked everywhere, it's not running like a boot process
[09:58] <Pupeno-> whoiam55: thanks.
[09:59] <whoiam55> Pupeno: is it's working ?
[10:00] <Pupeno-> whoiam55: I was looking for the one that shows a list in a menu, (like the installer).
[10:02] <whoiam55> Pupeno: I dont know if any exist for debian :(
[10:03] <Pupeno-> whoiam55: it does, I used it.
[10:11] <Pupeno-> It is called rcconf.
[10:13] <Pupeno-> I'm going to try to configure my firewall, bbl.
[10:14] <whoiam55> ahh, yeah, you are right. that called rcconf (rc configurator)
[10:15] <spiderworm> so i've got knetworkconf installed, how do i use it?
[10:16] <whoiam55> spiderworm, what you want to do ?
[10:16] <spiderworm> manage dns settings, host settings
[10:17] <whoiam55> do vi /etc/resolve.conf  instead
[10:17] <whoiam55> to edit network settings do vi /etc/network/interfaces
[10:18] <spiderworm> then how do i restart the network when I'm done?
[10:22] <theD3viL> Why i cant play 2 sounds at same time? :S I have nvidia sound car
[10:22] <theD3viL> card*
[10:23] <whoiam55> spider, you don't have to do anything
[10:23] <whoiam55> I believe
[10:23] <Pupeno-> theD3viL: because the card has only one 'manageable' input ?
[10:25] <theD3viL> Pupeno-, but it works in windows ?
[10:36] <theD3viL> anyone knows ?
[10:49] <theD3viL> Pupeno-, but it works in windows ?
[11:01] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: it's the sound server you are using
[11:02] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, which i must use?
[11:02] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, can i use aRts?
[11:03] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: which are you currently using?
[11:03] <theD3viL> OSS
[11:03] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: some programs are writing directly to the soundcard and thus blocking other programs
[11:04] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, so i cant do nothing ? :'(
[11:04] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: and what programms are you using?
[11:04] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: we'll see ;-)
[11:04] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, i wanna use amarok and TeamSpeak
[11:04] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, or TeamSpeak and some games
[11:05] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: ok, every programm must use the same soundserver to make it work
[11:05] <gdh> can alsa not do this at the hardware level? 
[11:05] <gdh> Even when using OSS emulation?
[11:06] <gdh> I've never really seen the point of arts/esd
[11:06] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: because some soundserver also are using the soundcard exclusivly
[11:06] <gdh> they seem to do little but add latency
[11:06] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, and what i must do now ?
[11:07] <steffenstrobel> gdh: of course you can configure it to make it work, but it's not always trivial
[11:07] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: you can look in the settings of the programs and tell me how they are configured to output the sound
[11:07] <gdh> steffenstrobel: No? I thought it 'just worked' :) tbh it's one of the features I dislike greatly... esp when mixing became standard in win2000 etc.
[11:08] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, amarok: arts, sound system: oss, TeamSpeak: dunno
[11:09] <steffenstrobel> have you tried to use two programs that are using the same soundserver? does it work then?
[11:10] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, no it doesnt work :S
[11:11] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: which programs did you use for this test?
[11:11] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: and what soundserver are they using?
[11:12] <theD3viL> alsa as system sound, xmms alsa
[11:13] <theD3viL> nonoono
[11:13] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, this works :)
[11:13] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: what works?
[11:14] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, sound system alsa, xmms: alsa
[11:14] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: but whats the second prgram?
[11:14] <steffenstrobel> programm
[11:14] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, TeamSpeak..
[11:15] <steffenstrobel> and xmms alsa and teamspeak (unknown sound system) works together?
[11:15] <theD3viL> no =/
[11:15] <theD3viL> just xmms
[11:15] <theD3viL> ts dont
[11:16] <steffenstrobel> but do you have programms that use the same soundserver?
[11:16] <theD3viL> hmmmm
[11:16] <theD3viL> yes.. kaffeine..i will try now
[11:16] <steffenstrobel> ok
[11:17] <theD3viL> yes, it works steffenstrobel 
[11:18] <steffenstrobel> so you tried xmms and kaffeine?
[11:18] <steffenstrobel> both using alsa
[11:18] <steffenstrobel> ?
[11:19] <theD3viL> yes
[11:19] <steffenstrobel> and both playing at the same time?
[11:19] <theD3viL> yes
[11:19] <steffenstrobel> ok good
[11:20] <steffenstrobel> i will now try to find out what teamspeak uses
[11:20] <theD3viL> k tnx
[11:21] <apollo2011> What utilities are available to recover files on reiserfs once they have been completely deleted out of the KDE Trash?
[11:21] <steffenstrobel> can you trie diabling artsd in kcontrol while i look?
[11:21] <steffenstrobel> try
[11:21] <steffenstrobel> diabling
[11:22] <steffenstrobel> sorry disabling
[11:22] <theD3viL> :)
[11:22] <theD3viL> hmm
[11:22] <theD3viL> i dont have artsd in kcontrol =// !! 
[11:22] <steffenstrobel> open kde prefrences
[11:22] <theD3viL> yes..
[11:22] <steffenstrobel> kde prefrences = kcontrol
[11:23] <theD3viL> yes... i know
[11:23] <steffenstrobel> and then under sound, there is artsd
[11:23] <steffenstrobel> and you have turned artsd off?
[11:23] <steffenstrobel> there
[11:24] <theD3viL> i have only network sound..
[11:24] <theD3viL> hmm
[11:24] <theD3viL> :S
[11:24] <steffenstrobel> i have found something: you can start teamspeak with: artsdsp teamspeak
[11:24] <steffenstrobel> then it uses artsd
[11:25] <Pupeno> Do you know how can I find a .deb for Slime for Kubuntu/Ubuntu.
[11:26] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, command not found :S
[11:26] <floe> steffenstrobel: does that work with skype too? It's very annyoing that I can't be alerted when using noatun...
[11:26] <theD3viL> where i must turn arts off? i cant find =/
[11:27] <steffenstrobel> kcotrol -> sound and multimedia -> sound-system -> aktivate sound system
[11:27] <steffenstrobel> floe: has skype sound settings in his prefrences?
[11:28] <floe> steffenstrobel: yes and it is set to use /dev/dsp (oss)...
[11:28] <steffenstrobel> floe: ok so it uses the sound card exclusivly
[11:28] <steffenstrobel> floe: what other options have you for that?
[11:29] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, you mean enable sound system? yes i have enable it 
[11:29] <steffenstrobel> and when you disable it, artsd is not running anymore
[11:29] <theD3viL> aha
[11:29] <floe> steffenstrobel: It's bound to oss ... no other options. 
[11:29] <steffenstrobel> :-)
[11:29] <floe> steffenstrobel: that's why I asked :)
[11:29] <steffenstrobel> floe: thats bad, when a minute, i will do a quick search
[11:31] <floe> steffenstrobel: it works ! :)
[11:31] <steffenstrobel> floe: what does work? what have you done :)
[11:32] <theD3viL> hm... i think i must restart computer.
[11:32] <theD3viL> :)
[11:32] <theD3viL> brb
[11:32] <transgress> has liz4rd been in?
[11:33] <steffenstrobel> floe: what have you done and what works now?
[11:33] <floe> steffenstrobel: I started skype with "artsdsp skype" from konsole. I can here music and I am alerted (or can call someone) while music is still playing... thanks for the tip ;).
[11:34] <steffenstrobel> floe: ah ok, now i know what you did :)
[11:34] <steffenstrobel> artsdsp should also work with other programs!
[11:35] <steffenstrobel> look here: http://docs.kde.org/en/3.4/kdemultimedia/artsbuilder/artsdsp.html
[11:36] <floe> steffenstrobel: damn I also knew, but just forgot that...
[11:37] <steffenstrobel> :)
[11:37] <floe> steffenstrobel: Do you think that works with cedega too?
[11:37] <transgress> anyone know how to install an amarok theme?
[11:38] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, now i cant run TeamSpeak enymore
[11:38] <theD3viL> :S
[11:38] <steffenstrobel> floe: try it! i don't know i have a ppc machine and codega does only work on x86
[11:39] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: what have you done?
[11:39] <floe> theD3vil: What did you do that you think you had to reboot? I would really like to know ;).
[11:39] <AgentOne> hello is there anyone here who can help me with languagesettings on konversation? :-)
[11:39] <floe> steffenstrobel: indeed I will... hoped you allready knew it :)
[11:40] <steffenstrobel> :)
[11:40] <theD3viL> am.. i turn off arts... and add some things into /etc/asound.conf
[11:40] <steffenstrobel> and you don't have the artsdsp programm?
[11:41] <theD3viL> hm... has enyone problem with opening openoffice or etc. .. it seems to be open twice and then open 1... and one of 2 still opening and than close after 10sec... ?!
 anyone know how to install an amarok theme?
[11:41] <Diablo-D3> transgress: amarok is moving awak from themes
[11:42] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: you don't have the artsdsp programm??
[11:42] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, no... ?
[11:42] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: open a terminal type: artsdsp -h
[11:43] <steffenstrobel> what do you get?
[11:43] <theD3viL> -h help -n blablabla..
[11:44] <theD3viL> matej@ubuntu:~/TeamSpeak2RC2$ artsdsp -h
[11:44] <theD3viL> artsdsp - attempt to reroute audio device to artsd
[11:44] <theD3viL> artsdsp [options]  application arguments
[11:44] <steffenstrobel> ok
[11:44] <steffenstrobel> so you have artsdsp!
[11:44] <theD3viL> hm
[11:44] <theD3viL> ..
[11:44] <steffenstrobel> now type artsdsp programmname
[11:45] <steffenstrobel> and you must have sound-system enabled!
[11:45] <steffenstrobel> no artsd no artsdsp!
[11:45] <theD3viL> what audio device i must choise ?
[11:45] <theD3viL> alsa, esd oss .. ?
[11:46] <theD3viL> matej@ubuntu:~/TeamSpeak2RC2$ artsdsp TeamSpeak
[11:46] <theD3viL> /usr/bin/artsdsp: line 108: exec: TeamSpeak: not found
[11:46] <gdh> you have to give the full path
[11:46] <gdh> 'which TeamSpeak'
[11:46] <gdh> assuming it's spelt /exactly/ like that
[11:46] <gdh> and not 'teamspeak' etc.
[11:47] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: if you use artsdsp to open a programm you can use nearly any sound output
[11:47] <steffenstrobel> in that programm
[11:47] <theD3viL> uuuuuuuu
[11:47] <theD3viL> thnx :D
[11:47] <theD3viL> it works yeah
[11:47] <steffenstrobel> great! :)
[11:48] <theD3viL> and now i must everytime when i want to start teamspeak write this ?
[11:48] <gdh> TeamSpeak is that thing so you can tell your friends when you're about to 'frag their ass' etc. ?
[11:49] <theD3viL> yes :)
[11:49] <gdh> the marvels of technology...
[11:49] <steffenstrobel> yes, but you can change your shortcut: rightclick on the k button in your taskbar and select k menu editor
[11:49] <steffenstrobel> now you can edit the command to open teamspeak!
[11:50] <theD3viL> k menu editor.. ? i cant find it
[11:51] <steffenstrobel> what options do you get when you rightklick on the k?
[11:51] <theD3viL> hm... steffenstrobel can i use artsdsp for everything? system sound... all programs .. ?
[11:52] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: look here http://docs.kde.org/en/3.4/kdemultimedia/artsbuilder/artsdsp.html
[11:52] <theD3viL> k
[11:52] <theD3viL> open, open with, propraties, ...
[11:52] <steffenstrobel> i mean the button to open you "startmenu"
[11:53] <theD3viL> aha ;))
[11:53] <steffenstrobel> :)
[11:53] <steffenstrobel> arsdsp emulates a soundcard for programs that have no arts support
[11:53] <theD3viL> aha...
[11:54] <theD3viL> so i cant use it for default sound system.. now i have alsa
[11:54] <steffenstrobel> so your soundserver is artsd and the other programms that have no arts support can use artsd over the artsdsp emulation
[11:54] <Pupeno> ubuntu and kubunto share the same repositories of software, right ? so for matters like packaging gcc I could as well ask on ubuntu-related channels ?
[11:54] <steffenstrobel> Pupeno: yes
[11:55] <steffenstrobel> Pupeno: this channel is for kde specific questions
[11:55] <Pupeno> Thank you.
[11:55] <steffenstrobel> :)
[11:55] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: have you found teamspeak in the k menu editor?
[11:56] <theD3viL> so i can use artsd for default sound system
[11:56] <theD3viL> yes i have... now what ?
[11:56] <steffenstrobel> look at the command
[11:56] <theD3viL> yes..
[11:56] <steffenstrobel> there is probably: teamspeak
[11:56] <theD3viL> no..
[11:56] <steffenstrobel> or?
[11:56] <steffenstrobel> what
[11:56] <theD3viL> /home/matej/TeamSpeak2RC2/TeamSpeak
[11:56] <steffenstrobel> ok
[11:57] <steffenstrobel> now edit it to: artsdsp /home/matej/TeamSpeak2RC2/TeamSpeak
[11:57] <theD3viL> k
[11:57] <steffenstrobel> and click on the save button in the menu
[11:58] <steffenstrobel> and if you now open teamspeak it shoud use artsdsp!
[11:58] <theD3viL> hm.. i save it... and computer updating system info... and when i look again its without arstdsp
 so i can use artsd for default sound system <- ? 
[11:59] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: artsd is your default soundsystem, you use artsdsp to make other programs with no artasd support use artsd
[11:59] <steffenstrobel> is it now clear?
[12:00] <theD3viL> so i can write in /etc/libao.conf default driver artsd ?
[12:01] <steffenstrobel> try it :9
[12:01] <theD3viL> k :)