[01:22] <mdke> hi all
[01:23] <Burgundavia> salut
[01:23] <mdke> hi Burgundavia 
[01:23] <mdke> how are you?
[01:36] <Burgundavia> not bad, yourself
[01:36] <Burgundavia> seeing the fun you are having with the html stuff
[01:36] <Burgundavia> thanks for doing all that
[01:37] <mdke> *grins*
[01:37] <mdke> the guy who wrote the html2pot script has identified 4 bugs in his script as a result
[01:37] <Burgundavia> this is a good thing --> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4563505.stm
[01:38] <mdke> he's fixed some of them and sent me a pot file :D
[01:38] <mdke> yeah definitely
[01:38] <mdke> sends good messages to both sides
[01:39] <Burgundavia> cool
[01:39] <Burgundavia> http://www.onlamp.com/pub/wlg/7106
[05:30] <jsgotangco> hello
[07:43] <froud> African Greetings
[07:44] <Burgundavia> salut
[07:45] <froud> hi corey
[07:45] <froud> my bones ache ths morning, that goodness we have the last day today
[07:45] <froud> Got the opportunity to see maddog in action yesterday
[07:46] <froud> two win boys come to my stand and tell me how FOSS cant work
[07:46] <froud> so after about 20min explaining
[07:46] <froud> I see maddog take a seat at the IBM stand bnext door
[07:46] <froud> I greab these two guys and take them over to maddog
[07:47] <froud> explain the situation
[07:47] <froud> stand back andlisten and learn
[07:47] <froud> boy, those guys had no clue who they were talking to
[07:47] <froud> they got quite a shock when they found out
[07:47] <froud> who maddog is
[07:48] <froud> he explained why FOSS works in a very calm way
[07:48] <froud> and finally the two left with much to think about :-)
[07:49] <froud> sabfl was there in the morning, get his face on TV, again. He looks good under camera lights :-)
[07:50] <froud> third day in a row the TSF freedom toaster could not cope with the number of people wanting to burn a distro
[07:50] <froud> one disto has given away over 3500 CDs in three days
[07:51] <froud> I dont know how many the TSF freedom toaster burnt, but it is wll over a few thousand
[07:52] <froud> well, this is froud, reporting for #ubuntu-doc on the first LinuxWorld in South Africa. C ya and have fun
[08:57] <jsgotangco> anyone have an idea on what collabnet runs on?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> founded by the apache guy, so it is probably apache
[08:59] <Burgundavia> runs linux
[08:59] <jsgotangco> im looking at the OOo files listing
[11:03] <Kinnison> Hi guys
[11:04] <jsgotangco> Kinnison, hi how's friday
[11:05] <Kinnison> jsgotangco: Not bad thanks. A little tiring as days go, but there's always the heady promise of a sleep-in tomorrow morning
[11:07] <Burgundavia> salut Kinnison 
[11:08] <jsgotangco> a dumb question: do i have to edit xorg.conf to force resolution mode since i am stuck in 640x480
[11:09] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:09] <mdke> morning all
[11:10] <Burgundavia> gah, so many misinformed people on the forums
[11:12] <mdke> Burgundavia, so little time...
[11:13] <Burgundavia> indeed
[11:14] <Burgundavia> I think I can enlighten some on the breezy forum
[11:14] <Burgundavia> that is my primary target
[11:14] <mdke> ;)
[11:15] <jsgotangco> you guys reckon a quickguide is good if it had quick how tos?
[11:17] <mdke> i think howtos need to be structured by content
[11:17] <mdke> in terms of organisation
[11:20] <jsgotangco> ok not full blow howtos, just snippets
[11:21] <mdke> not sure really
[11:21] <mdke> i think it is cool if the quickguide refers to the individual help for a program
[11:23] <jsgotangco> yeah its quite long though
[11:26] <Burgundavia> woot!!!!!!
[11:26] <Burgundavia> gnome-panel 2.11 just went into breezy
[11:26] <Burgundavia> we can now edit menus without a new tool!!!!!
[11:27] <mdke> if you run breezy you can ;)
[11:27] <mdke> good news tho
[11:27] <mdke> glad they've fixed it already
[11:27] <jsgotangco> w00t
[11:27] <jsgotangco> superb
[11:29] <mdke> oh yeah
[11:29] <mdke> bug 5471
[11:30] <Burgundavia> mdke, you also subscribed to all of bugzilla.u.c?
[11:30] <mdke> *laughs*
[11:30] <mdke> not by any means
[11:30] <mdke> you crazy man
[11:31] <Burgundavia> and ubuntu-devel
[11:31] <Burgundavia> and -doc
[11:31] <Burgundavia> I don't follow -users
[11:31] <Burgundavia> just subscribed to sounder
[11:32] <jsgotangco> i just get breezy digest
[11:32] <Burgundavia> bah, digest
[11:32] <Burgundavia> you need crack of minute
[11:32] <jsgotangco> bah try that on a 1024x768 laptop
[11:34] <mdke> Burgundavia, btw gmail is still quoting the entire of previous messages in your posts
[11:34] <jsgotangco> i should move in a developed country soon
[11:34] <Burgundavia> mdke, gah, stupid gmail
[11:34] <mdke> *grins*
[11:34] <Burgundavia> I don't see the quote, as it hides it by default
[11:34] <Burgundavia> very nice for me
[11:35] <mdke> Burgundavia, how come you don't use a client?
[11:35] <mdke> out of interest
[11:35] <Burgundavia> gmail is faster than evo
[11:35] <Burgundavia> and better
[11:35] <Burgundavia> and accessible from any location with internet access
[11:35] <mdke> gmail doesn't do reply to list
[11:35] <Burgundavia> yes, minor bug
[11:35] <jsgotangco> gmail is a bug by itself
[11:35] <mdke> or show quotes
[11:36] <mdke> i don't think its ideal for mailing lists
[11:36] <mdke> but it does pop ;)
[11:36] <Burgundavia> its speed and power make it very nice for managing mail
[11:36] <jsgotangco> its good for email conversations, not lists though
[11:36] <Burgundavia> threading is very very nice
[11:37] <mdke> evolution does threading
[11:37] <mdke> i use it
[11:37] <Burgundavia> makes reading email a whole lot easier
[11:37] <mdke> most clients will do threading surely
[11:37] <Burgundavia> thunderbird doesn't
[11:37] <Burgundavia> by default
[11:37] <mdke> well nor does evo by default
[11:37] <mdke> only takes 2 clicks tho
[11:40] <mdke> also i find the lack of a reply all button in gmail strangely disturbing
[11:40] <Burgundavia> there is one
[11:40] <mdke> i can only see reply and forward
[11:41] <mdke> ah there it is
[11:41] <mdke> "more options"
[11:41] <mdke> btw corey i don't get the quotes hidden in my replies, i must have accidentally turned it off, not sure how tho
[11:41] <Burgundavia> mdke, hmm, ya, I haven't playing with any settings
[11:42] <mdke> couldn't see it in the settings
[11:42] <mdke> maybe the first time you switch it off, it remembers it
[11:43] <jsgotangco> very nice thread support
[11:44] <jsgotangco> evolution doesn't play well with s/mime though
[11:44] <jsgotangco> but no problems with gpg
[11:44] <jsgotangco> thunderbird, well has enigmail which i really like
[11:45] <Burgundavia> gmail has no pgp/gpg stuff, which hula will have
[11:46] <jsgotangco> yeah but where are you putting your hula by then
[11:46] <Burgundavia> on my own serer
[11:46] <Burgundavia> server, even
[11:46] <Burgundavia> I have a spare box currently doing nothing
[11:46] <mdke> is hula a webmail server?
[11:47] <jsgotangco> its a groupware server
[11:47] <jsgotangco> not technically groupware though
[11:47] <jsgotangco> but calendar and mail focused
[11:47] <mdke> does it do webmail?
[11:48] <jsgotangco> it does
[11:48] <mdke> cool
[11:48] <mdke> is it any good?
[11:48] <mdke> its gnome related isn't it?
[11:48] <jsgotangco> i think its usable now, the client does pgp in javascript
[11:51] <Burgundavia> well, our federal gov lives to rule another day, it seems
[11:52] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, that also means you have to trust your key to gmail, no thanks
[11:52] <jsgotangco> i like keeping my own key
[11:52] <Burgundavia> so do I
[11:53] <Burgundavia> trust a key generated on a machine I don't control?
[11:53] <Burgundavia> are you mad?
[11:55] <jsgotangco> they can do that if they want to and people would say cool
[11:55] <Burgundavia> people are sheep
[11:56] <jsgotangco> i've denied assuring some people on CAs since they have no idea how to use it 
[12:11] <mdke> Burgundavia, has the firefox hoary update been done yet do you know?
[12:12] <jsgotangco> in hoary?
[12:12] <Burgundavia> mdke, don't think so
[12:12] <mdke> i wonder why
[12:12] <jsgotangco> mdke, security patch?
[12:12] <mdke> do they have enough people working on security?
[12:12] <Burgundavia> they have one
[12:12] <mdke> i know
[12:13] <mdke> people in -it are really whinghing
[12:13] <mdke> apparently lots of big companies have been advised not to use ff until it is updated
[12:13] <mdke> and also i think the mozilla website is out of commission to some extent
[12:13] <jsgotangco> patches are backported
[12:14] <mdke> jsgotangco, what does that mean?
[12:14] <jsgotangco> you don't need to update the whole ff to put a patch
[12:14] <Burgundavia> means pitti takes a look at the security patch and applies it to our version of ff
[12:14] <mdke> yeah i appreciate that
[12:14] <jsgotangco> our ff may stay at v1.02 but it doesnt mean that its not patched
[12:15] <mdke> i was thinking, has it been patched
[12:16] <jsgotangco> well im sure my ff was patched a few days ago
[12:16] <Burgundavia> I think they should backport ff regardless
[12:16] <Burgundavia> as it is such an important app
[12:16] <mdke> jsgotangco, i think that was another one
[12:16] <Burgundavia> there was a patch to .3 level
[12:16] <Burgundavia> and a patch to .4 level'
[12:16] <mdke> ok so it has been done
[12:17] <Burgundavia> but the 2nd one may not have been done yet
[12:17] <jsgotangco> you know a way to check?
[12:17] <Burgundavia> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=20
[12:17] <mdke> Burgundavia, apparently the mozilla site only permits browsing if you're using 1.0.4, does patching resolve that problem?
[12:17] <Burgundavia> security announcements
[12:18] <Burgundavia> mdke, not yet, but you can change the browser string
[12:18] <mdke> Burgundavia, so it will?
[12:18] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:18] <Burgundavia> no idea where
[12:18] <Burgundavia> currently ubuntu ff is patched to .3 level, it appears
[12:20] <jsgotangco> yeah i think its only .3
[12:22] <mdke> ok i PMed pitti
[12:23] <mdke> seems he was unaware of the mozilla.org issue
[12:23] <Burgundavia> lol http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2005-May/029583.html
[12:23] <Burgundavia> that is odd
[12:48] <jsgotangco> i wonder if jpilot can recover that
[12:49] <Burgundavia> gpilot can
[12:50] <Burgundavia> what is jpilot?
[12:51] <jsgotangco> its similar to palm desktop (the old one though)
[12:51] <Burgundavia> ah
[12:51] <Burgundavia> ok
[12:51] <Burgundavia> cool, we need something basic for breezy
[12:52] <jsgotangco> yeah the spec should be reviewed first though but i want to jump the gun on collecting data
[12:52] <Burgundavia> ok
[12:52] <jsgotangco> this shouldnt be that difficult (i hope)
[12:53] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:54] <jsgotangco> well im going ahead we're watching a movie later
[12:56] <Burgundavia> ok
[12:56] <Burgundavia> star wars, you bastard
[12:57] <jsgotangco> heck get out once in a while and stay in your own timezone
[01:26] <mdke> Burgundavia, whats up with star wars?
[01:26] <mdke> its out everywhere by now surely
[01:27] <Burgundavia> it is, but I haven't seen it yet
[01:27] <mdke> me neither
[01:27] <mdke> going today i think
[01:29] <Burgundavia> I think I will as well
[05:56] <mdke> hi jiyuu0 
[05:58] <jiyuu0> mdke, yes :)
[05:58] <jiyuu0> X just crashed on breezy dist-upgrade
[05:59] <jiyuu0> lucky was on a test machine
[06:09] <mdke> breezy = test
[06:09] <mdke> jiyuu0, just a thought: i was reading that translation thread
[06:09] <jiyuu0> breezy = crash
[06:09] <mdke> jiyuu0, what do you think about people that say "can i translate the guide? sorry my english is bad"
[06:10] <mdke> we've had some problems in the italian team with translations which are totally wrong ;)
[06:10] <jiyuu0> there's another thread on lookin for maintainer for amd64+ppc
[06:10] <mdke> for the guide?
[06:10] <jiyuu0> yes
[06:11] <mdke> cool
[06:11] <mdke> anyway, answer my question ;)
[06:11] <jiyuu0>  "can i translate the guide? sorry my english is bad" maybe some one can proof read it
[06:11] <mdke> yeah
[06:11] <jiyuu0> there are currently 13 (i think) translators
[06:11] <mdke> apart from the fact that i think its a waste of time to do 2 portuguese guides, but that is up to him
[06:12] <jiyuu0> portuguese + brazil portuguese
[06:12] <mdke> yes
[06:12] <jiyuu0> well... if he wants
[06:12] <mdke> sure, its up to him
[06:12] <jiyuu0> true
[06:12] <mdke> jiyuu0, the great thing about getting the guide in rosetta would be that people can collaborate on translations, so check each others translations and work at the same time
[06:12] <mdke> jiyuu0, i've been working on the html2pot process a bit more
[06:13] <mdke> jiyuu0, so far, haven't got it working well :/
[06:13] <jiyuu0> i read it in the mailing list
[06:13] <mdke> i will write to the list later updating on what i've done since then
[06:13] <jiyuu0> cool
[06:13] <mdke> jiyuu0, the html2pot maintainer has been working on it ;)
[06:14] <mdke> he's fixed like 6 bugs in his script so far
[06:14] <jiyuu0> great
[06:14] <mdke> jiyuu0, if only the guide was in xml...
[06:14] <mdke> it would be easy
[06:14] <mdke> i don't know why there is a distinction, but there seems to be one
[06:14] <jiyuu0> too bad no xml knowledge back then
[06:14] <jiyuu0> else could have started with that
[06:14] <mdke> maybe future versions?
[06:14] <jiyuu0> yub
[06:15] <mdke> jiyuu0, that would be great
[06:15] <mdke> ok
[06:15] <mdke> i have to go now
[06:15] <jiyuu0> if the rosetta thing is good... will work on it for breezy
[06:15] <jiyuu0> ok
[06:15] <jiyuu0> c'ya
[06:15] <jiyuu0> :)
[06:15] <mdke> my turn to see star wars ;)
[06:15] <jiyuu0> hehe
[06:15] <jiyuu0> spoiler: anakin turned to darth vader
[06:15] <jiyuu0> :)
[06:15] <mdke> :p
[06:15] <jiyuu0> hehe
[06:16] <mdke> ok cya
[06:16] <jiyuu0> c'ya
[06:16] <jiyuu0> may the force be wif u
[08:34] <k31th> lol
[08:34] <k31th> yeah i seen that two night ago
[08:34] <k31th> was awsome
[09:13] <k31th> anyone got mozilla suite