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\shmako is spamming the planet ,-)12:23
ogra\sh, hey, you are member now, give your rss feed url to jdub, so he can add it12:25
ograhmm, looks like his blog is broken12:26
\shogra: later dude :) but thanks for reminding me :)12:27
\shi'm thinking only to aggregate my ubuntu category, just because there's a lot of noise for the other stuff..or should i give the full blog rss?12:28
\shnight gents...:)12:30
tsenghi12:31
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StRhi there....12:32
StRi'm using breezy, and want to report a problem with my X complainig about the font 'fixed'12:33
AmaranthX is not in universe12:33
StRAmaranth: so, where should I report that?12:33
Amaranthbugzilla.ubuntu.com12:34
ograStR, its known.... and expected12:34
ograno need to report it12:34
=== ajmitch feels the pain from that issue as well :)
ograheh, ajmitch it might get even worse :) who knows...12:38
ajmitchhopefully12:38
ograchanging such a big package as fundamental as daniels does must break...12:39
Amaranthpfft, it's worse12:39
Amaranthevery shortcut key in gedit opens a new tab12:39
AmaranthC-s, C-x, etc12:39
Amaranthfixed fonts are less important :)12:40
ograAmaranth, we get rid of all X11R6 dirs and incorporate x cleanly.... so modules might not be found or fontsettings etc12:40
Amaranthhe is moving X into the real file tree?12:41
ograyep12:41
Amaranth/usr/bin, /usr/lib, etc12:41
Amaranthwow12:41
tsengyes12:41
ajmitchvarious other packages have broken as a result of the directory change, as expected12:41
AmaranthI thought that was an X.org 7 thing12:41
tsengthis is xorg 7 pre12:41
Amarantho_O12:41
StRorga: why dou you know that?  where did you read that?12:42
ogra*g*12:42
ajmitchStR: because it's happening right now :)12:42
tsengwe know everything.12:42
tseng(or in the changelog)12:42
ograin the several discussions and meetings i attended...12:42
ajmitchogra is in the inner circle now ;)12:43
StRajmitch: could you explane me what is happening?   what is the real problem?12:43
ajmitchStR: X has been in /usr/X11R6 for time immemorable..12:43
Amaranthwe used to have /etc/X11/* and so on for all the X related things12:43
ajmitchso programs expect that12:44
Amaranthisn't this the kind of thing pkg-config was supposed to prevent?12:44
ajmitchif used properly, by everything12:44
ograStR, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/XRoadmap12:45
StRogra: so... my breezy should work.. when?12:48
ograStR, if daniels is ready :)12:48
ograStR, and if the gcc4 transition is done...12:48
ograabout 1,5~2 weeks...12:49
ogradepends more or less on what breaks... nobody can tell...12:50
ograStR, but thats the nature of a development distro :)12:50
StRogra: ok... just to know every1 knows about the problem...12:50
ograStR, its even described in the roadmap...12:51
StRogra: I didn't know about the roadmap12:52
StRso.. thanks12:52
ogra"break out protocol headers, fonts, documentation, xterm"12:52
ograStR, i just posted the url above 10mins ago12:52
ogra512:52
StRogra...  so.. thanks <-- for the link you pasted12:52
ogra:)12:52
ograsorry, my bad12:53
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ograStR, the path X searches must be in the log... find the new path and make a symlink....12:54
ogra(something with X11R6 and fonts in it :) )12:54
tsengi just fixed my xorg.conf by hand01:02
StRtseng: what did you do?01:12
tsengchanged the paths?01:13
tsengto /usr/share/fonts01:13
StR:%s/what/\/usr\/share\/fonts    ?01:13
tsengoh man dont do that01:14
tseng /usr/lib/fonts01:14
StRtseng: and only that?01:16
tsengthats all I did, yes01:16
StRtseng: and restart X, right?01:16
tsengyes?01:16
schweebis breezy completely broke right now?01:21
StRschweeb: yes01:21
tsengnot completely01:21
schweebi.e. if I upgrade, will I still have enough functionality to have working X, tbird, gaim, and ssh01:21
StRtseng fixed it01:21
StRschweeb: with some hand job  ...01:22
tsengomfgwee01:22
tsengStR++01:22
ogralol01:23
Amaranth/usr/lib/fonts/?01:30
tsengyes?01:31
Amaranthwtf were they thinking when they put fonts there?01:31
tsengdude01:31
tsengdavid fucking dawes01:31
tsengcomeon.01:31
Amaranthdon't know who that is01:31
Amaranth/usr/share/fonts/ makes more sense01:31
tsengxfree relicense?01:31
tseng"we dont need no stinkin gpl"01:31
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Amaranthoh, the moron that made it illegal to distribute XFree86 with GPL apps that run on top of it?01:32
tsengyes01:32
schweebwe'll see how horribly this goes01:32
Amaranthbtw, that license sounds a lot like the OpenSSL one01:32
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schweeb3hrs to breezy01:34
Amaranthhmm, it seems like lots of people are screwing with their blogs and totally breaking every planet i subscribe too01:38
tsengits normally not their fault01:38
tsengits the blog software01:38
Amaranthif they do something that changes their RSS feed i'd say it's their fault :)01:39
tsengi upgraded wordpress twice now with no such problem01:39
Burgundaviaogra, ping01:39
ograBurgundavia, pong01:39
Burgundaviaogra, http://www.onlamp.com/pub/wlg/710601:39
ogracool01:41
Burgundaviaopen source maps.google!01:41
ograhttp://maps.dmsolutions.ca/01:42
ograwoah, thats cool01:42
Burgundaviaya01:42
ograpanning without reloading01:42
Burgundaviaand mapserver is a pretty robust solution already, and this builds on top of it01:43
ograyep, i once built a intranet mapserver based on it... it was already stable in 200001:43
Burgundaviaam going to add the info to UbuntuGIS01:44
tsengseen dredg?01:44
ogranope01:44
Amaranthdoes that one have satellite images?01:44
Burgundaviano01:44
ogratseng, not since quite some time01:44
ograAmaranth, good maps and images are still the expensive part on that01:45
Burgundaviasat images are expensive01:45
Amaranthyeah, but they're the thing i like about google's01:46
Amaranthso you can look at things like http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.896741,-77.036594&spn=0.006137,0.009291&t=k01:47
ograyep... air pictures too01:47
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Amaranthbtw, they changed the ammount you can zoom on that address01:47
ograwhich ? the google map ?01:47
Amaranththe google map01:48
Amaranthyou used to be able to zoom in closer on that address01:48
Amaranththe one google is showing, i mean01:48
ograo :(01:52
ograos/o/oh01:52
ograhttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-May/035933.html01:52
tsengoh no!01:53
tsengi lost my blog banner thingy01:53
tsengit was so cool and weird01:58
tsenggar01:58
tsengbtw why are all the gtk+ keybindings barfed up01:59
ajmitchprobably because of X issues :)01:59
ograStR, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/XRoadmap01:59
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ivoksyo :)02:05
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Amaranthfun02:10
ivoks:)02:10
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=== HostingGeek smacks Travis Watkins
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AmaranthHostingGeek: ?04:06
HostingGeekAmaranth: ?04:06
AmaranthHostingGeek: You said my name.04:07
AmaranthHostingGeek: Actually, you smacked me.04:07
HostingGeekAmaranth: You said my nick name.04:07
Amarantherr, what?04:07
Amaranth* HostingGeek smacks Travis Watkins04:07
HostingGeekAmaranth: Actually, you  beeped me 4 times.04:08
AmaranthI have no idea what you're talking about.04:08
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HostingGeekI AM PACKAGING XCHAT-GNOME04:40
HostingGeekAnd I already have04:40
HostingGeekNo one else here should waste their time!04:40
HostingGeekarghh seb128 can take it04:41
HostingGeekI was packaging 0.3 but they didn't want me to... and now that 0.4 is out seb128 stole it from me04:42
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_abbenormalok one around to help with xfce405:16
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AmaranthHostingGeek: seb128 is a packaging machine, you can't compete with him05:28
HostingGeekAmaranth: he stole it from me05:29
AmaranthHostingGeek: I think I'd trust his package more than yours, see the machine comment.05:29
AmaranthHostingGeek: Don't suppose you know anything about implementing DnD with GTK. :)05:30
HostingGeekDnD?05:30
Amaranthdrag and drop05:30
HostingGeekAmaranth: I know a tiny tiny bit... Like there is already such a thing and QT suck because it can't do it as good at GTK...05:32
Amaranthok, i'll go find someone who knows what they're talking about :)05:33
\shmorning gents06:33
dahanemorning sir06:39
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\shumm...looks like that I have to hurry up with showering and running into the office06:40
dahanego go go06:42
\shno :)06:42
\shI'm old need my peace right now :) at least to many over hours06:43
dahanehmm... seems like you want to be a Hartz4 victim :)06:43
\shdahane: hehe...no :) but with 40 hours on my gleitzeit table06:44
dahanewhat about making "blau" hehe06:49
\shno :)06:51
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\shouch07:10
\shno peace at all...07:10
\shnow i have to hurry up...just because some nagra machines are down :(07:10
\shbbl07:11
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ivoksthom: new firefox has some issue on my ubuntu08:33
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\shre09:33
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crimsun_morning, mike03:13
tritiumGood morning, Daniel03:14
ograhey MOTUs03:16
crimsun_hey, ogra :)03:17
tritiumHi ogra :)03:17
dokohey ogra03:19
ograhey doko... have to do some other stuff for 1-2h but then i'll dive back into Cxx :)03:19
siretartjippie. londonlaw finally got built in breezy! :)03:23
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SEBestHello masters!04:02
SEBestI wrote a software, and also did an ubuntu package for it04:03
SEBestand i'd like to know, what is needed to help him entering in universe04:03
SEBestit's webpage is there:04:04
SEBesthttp://gentoo.ovibes.net/nautilus-share/04:04
SEBestany advice is welcome!04:04
ograSEBest, _you_ are the guy who wrote nautilus-share ???04:17
SEBestogra: yes04:17
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ogragreat work !04:17
SEBestthanx :)04:17
ograSEBest, i think seb128 in #ubuntu-devel would be intersted to meet you :)04:18
SEBestogra: i'm already in contact with him04:18
ograyay04:19
SEBestogra: we are both french we talked on ubuntu-fr04:19
ograwe normally put new software on our MOTUNewPackages wiki page for reviews...04:19
SEBestoki, let me check this page04:20
ograbut the reviews take quite some time since we are not many people yet, so if you could get a review from seb128 it would speed up a bit i think, he has interest to have it available in ubuntu04:20
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SEBestogra: oki, i'll add a line in the wiki, and ask seb128 for a review :)04:22
ograyeah04:22
SEBestogra, should i put the adress of the .deb or of the website where all info about debs are?04:26
ograSEBest, put a link to a webdir wher we find the source package on the site04:27
SEBestogra: oki i did it.04:30
ogragreat :)04:30
\shhmmm...04:38
\shis there a possibility to load a new partition layout at runtime? or only after reboot?04:39
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\shgrmpf06:01
\shi shot the server and the server doesn't respond anymore *sing*06:01
\shi hope the harddrive is not +06:01
\shbroken06:01
siretart\sh: http://www.ncc.itgate.net/noc-humour.htm :)06:02
\sh:))06:03
\shi wonder what happend. ping is working...bit the rest not...so i think he hangs somewhere06:03
\shwe will see...remote hands informed...waiting for call :)06:05
\shand funny thing: nmap says: no ports opened..i think this is the most secured server in the world..;-906:07
SEBestthe most secured server is the one with no network card06:08
SEBestbecause you could still exploit a bug in the tcp/ip stack :)06:09
\shno ways it's ubuntu ;)06:09
siretartSEBest: thats hardly a 'server' ;)06:09
SEBestsiretart: but there it's neither a server :)06:09
SEBestsiretart: a server of ping :d06:10
\shfunny idea behind it, before I rebooted, I had a spare gentoo install on this machine (on the second harddrive) and this install i decided to delete06:10
SEBesticmp echo reply06:10
SEBestif it pings, it means it started the boot sequence, it's not looked in a kernel panic or somehting06:11
\shbut I have sshd etc. in the runlevels06:12
SEBestno firewall?06:12
\shno06:12
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jamessan|workis it waiting for an NFS mount that can't be reached?06:12
\shnfs?06:13
\shfor what shoukld i use nfs :)06:13
SEBest\sh you should install icmpsh :d06:13
jamessan|workok, so it's not that06:13
jamessan|workI've had servers get stuck in the boot sequence attempting to mount an NFS share.  they weren't remotely accessible since that happens before services like sshd are started06:14
\shwell..the guy in the DC has to plug a screen...so he can tell me where the machine hangs06:15
SEBestjamessan, it depends on if you mount them with nolock option or not06:15
\shah remote hands calling06:18
\shready for action06:18
\shi need a serial cable for the next time and grub must be enabled for serial output06:19
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\shand the kernel needs to have serial output possibility as well06:20
SEBest\sh, or an ip kvm06:20
jamessan|workSEBest: I'll have to remember that next time I have such a server06:20
\shremote insight board ;)06:22
\shbut it's friday .. so everybody's going out and I have to fight with boot problems06:23
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\shlooks like i have to go to the DC by myself...screen doesn't show anything06:29
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dholbachhellas06:54
dholbachhey SEBest :-)06:54
dholbachSEBest: seb128 showed me your NICE share-your-nautilus-stuff-webpage *ROCK*06:55
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ogradholbach, we already have it on MOTUNewPackages ;)06:58
dholbachWOW, ROCK!!!06:58
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ograhehe06:58
jamessan|workwas that one of the Gnome bounties?06:58
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SEBestthanx  dholbach  :)06:59
dholbachhow's the feeling: when will we be done with the C++ transition?07:25
dholbachdoko: what did we decide on ancient g++ build-depends? dropping them?07:32
dokodholbach: yes, why not07:33
dholbachok07:33
dokomention it in the changelog07:33
dholbachok07:33
dholbachdoko: since when are you in debian?07:36
dholbachdo you recall a (internal) distribution name "frozen unstable"?07:37
dholbachit shows up in the changelog :-)07:37
dokoin the old days uploads to more than one distribuition were allowed07:38
dholbachoh nice07:39
dholbachit was 1998 and it talks something about hamm, that's been a while07:40
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hervehello #ubuntu-motu!07:48
dholbachhellas herve07:48
ograhey herve07:48
ograyour patch didnt work ....07:48
herveno!07:48
hervenooooooooo!07:48
hervetoo bad :-)07:48
ograit couldnt apply at all07:48
herveerm07:49
hervesilly me... did I reverted the sources beforehand...07:49
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hervedholbach, could you provide me ssh access to an amd64 machine?07:51
dholbachherve: yes07:51
dholbachdoko: libsigc++ (in universe) doesnt seem to be on the list08:00
dholbachdoko: i add it, ok?08:01
dokoit's old, isn't it? should it go to the morgue?08:01
dholbachgtkmm uses it (which imho should go to the morgue as well) ;-)08:02
ogradholbach, i'm currently working on it...08:02
dholbach(not gtkm2.{0,4})08:02
dholbachogra: which one08:02
ograthere are some other libs depending on it08:02
ograbut its on the list...08:02
ograwait08:02
dholbachogra: which package? gtkmm (source package, universe)?08:03
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hervedoko, the debian sync have already been open?08:04
dokoherve: no08:04
hervethere about 30 "auto-installed" packages this afternoon, maybe more08:04
dholbachdon't we sync stuff from debian? i'm quite sure we do08:04
dholbachthat's how we got the MOM bugs :-)08:05
herveI thought it was blocked during the transition08:05
herveso I was suprised08:05
herveand siretart (?) will be happy, londonlaw entered ubuntu :-)08:06
dholbachyes :-)08:07
ogradholbach, sorry, false alert, its libsigcx08:07
dholbachok08:07
dholbachdoko: we can' remove gtkmm just like that :-/08:08
dholbachdoko: i'll try building it with a newer libsigc++08:09
siretartherve: yeah! :)08:09
siretartbut londonlaw is uncritical, it's an arch: any package (python game)08:10
hervethat reminds my I should refreshen and package mine08:10
herve(refresh... don't pay attention, I'm drunk!)08:11
dokoherve: but no C++ stuff08:11
herveha ok08:11
hervethere's a fine blacklist08:11
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herveyo ivoks!08:15
ivoksherve:08:16
ivokshi08:16
ivokswhat's up?08:16
ivoksi was in austria today08:16
hervenice08:17
ivoksi have to work on my german...08:18
ivoksi forgot lot of words :(08:18
hervehow to say "beer"? :-)08:18
ivokshm :)08:18
ivoksbier08:19
herveI find strange ubuntu-desktop already pushes OOo 208:20
hervesure we're using breezy, but it's not stable enough08:20
ivoksi don't care..08:21
ivoksi'm not using office apps08:21
ivoks:)08:21
hervehmm... I can't transition tulip, I need other libs to transhumance first08:22
ivoksi know :)08:22
ivoksfinally!!!!!!08:23
ivoksipw2200 supports monitor mode08:23
hervewhichs brings?08:24
ivokskismet will work on ipw220 based cards08:25
ivoksso will airsnort08:25
herveok, not really useful for me08:28
ivoksit is for me :)08:28
ivokshm... herve do you know networking? :)08:36
herveI just want it to work and give me no problem :-)08:37
ivoksheh... you are blessed :)08:37
herveI always connect from the same point with my ipw220008:38
herveso I don't know the joice of configs, keys, and the like08:38
ivoksi move my lap between varius networkg08:39
ivoksnetworks...08:39
herveyour lap, you sure?08:40
herve-:)08:40
ivoks?08:40
hervehttp://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lap08:41
ivoksah...08:41
ivoksi hate remote reboot :(08:42
ivoksyou newer know is everything going ok... then that tention...08:43
ivoksand "omg, it should be up by now..."08:43
herveit's like russian roulette :-)08:43
dholbachdoko: libsigc++ needs to be transitioned08:43
ivoksuh... it's still not up :(08:44
ivokscome on.... I don't want to go to the other side of town08:45
herveivoks, you're like a parent wondering why his child hasn't come home yet :-)08:45
ivoks:)08:45
ivoksherve: well... it's something like that08:45
ivoksomg...08:46
ivoksit didn't boot08:46
ivokswhy, god, why me?!08:46
ivoksherve: that's router for over 300 machines :)08:47
hervedid you updated lilo? :-p08:47
ivoksi didn't change kernel at all08:47
herve(update)08:47
hervefsck?08:47
ivokshm...08:47
hervethat was the 30th reboot!08:48
ivokscould be... he was up for long long time08:48
herveor 31, depending on the config, anyway08:48
ivoksbut 10 minutes is too mucj08:48
ivoksman... fu....c.....k....08:48
herveI saw devices to transfer screen output over the network08:49
ivoksshit, i have to fix that... no mails, no web of my faculty till then08:49
ivokstime to go....08:49
ivoksbye08:49
hervethen the machine just went up...08:50
herve:-)08:50
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herveyo tritium!08:51
dholbachtritium: hey michael08:51
tritiumhi herve and dholbach :)08:51
tritiumdholbach, how's the school work coming along?08:52
dholbachtritium: slowly evolving...08:53
dholbachtritium: how's yours?08:53
tritiumdholbach, oh, it's got me pretty concerned/stressed08:54
dholbachtritium: i can absolutely understand...08:55
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ivokshm...08:58
ivoksit looks like 161.53.50.2 is down...08:58
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dokodholbach: do you convert libsigc++?09:00
dholbachdoko: it's a HORRIBLE MESS09:01
dholbachbut i take care of it09:01
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dholbachdoko: can i please do additional changes to the package?09:34
dholbachdoko: it hurts my eyes... badly09:35
ivoks:))09:35
dholbachdoko: there's a complete    debian/libsigc++/usr/share/...09:35
dholbachok, maybe i'll to a c++ changes only upload and another one ;-)09:37
ogradholbach, is this libsigc++-1.2 ?09:39
dholbachno, libsigc++09:40
dholbach(source package)09:40
ograhrm09:40
dholbachpourquoi?09:40
ogralibsigcx uses it09:41
dholbachso i better get a move on, right?09:44
tsengwhat am i suppoised to do with blam09:45
ograno, libsigc++-1.2 is already transitioned09:45
ograbut libsigcx doesnt build....09:45
hervegaaah! g++ won't let me cast an object to unsigned09:45
hervelet it mind its own business! :-)09:46
dholbachah ok, ogra09:46
ogratseng, reading feeds ?09:46
tsengno, c++09:46
herveI guess an unsigned int is 64-bit long on amd64 and ia64?09:47
ogratseng, only waiting helps....09:48
tsengok...09:48
tsengbbl then09:49
siretarthm. I just found 2 minor bugs in mythtv source package, both causing FTBFS09:49
hervedo you know how to solve it?09:50
siretartherve: yes, both affect amd64, probably only.09:51
siretartherve: one is a build dependency, the other one is a wrong compiler flag09:52
siretartstill compiling here, but looking good09:52
herveI'll happily sponsor your upload if needed09:52
siretartgreat :) - but you know, its mdz's baby ;)09:53
herveI step back then :-)09:53
siretartlol09:54
dholbachyou can write him an email after you fixed it :-)09:54
siretartI hope he's not too overworked with breezy, but emails are patient ;)09:56
herveI quit, C++ hell is out of my skill09:58
ograsiretart, he shouldnt be overworked since hes on holiday, but he'll have to catch up with a week of mail ;)10:00
dholbachhe's fast at writing mails :-)10:01
ograhe reads -users mails ;)10:01
siretartoh. good to know :)10:02
|QuaD-_how well does hula work? is it buggy?10:03
hervetheorically speaking, of course not :-)10:03
=== Amaranth hopes g++4 is the last time they break ABI for a _long_ time
ogra../sigcx/tunnel.h:223: error: no matching function for call to 'pack(SigC::Slot1<bool, const std::string&>&, const std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >&)'10:09
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herveand I was complaining!10:09
herve:-)10:09
ogra|QuaD-_, i didnt try to mail with it, but when i tested the package it worked well out of the box10:09
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|QuaD-_ogra: nice10:15
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\shre11:17
herveyo \sh!11:17
\shthe server is up and running again...11:17
dholbachhey \sh11:17
\shnice pitfall at least11:17
dholbach\sh: a really nice blog entry!11:18
\shhoo?11:18
dholbach\sh: thanks :-)11:18
\shah u mean on linux.blogweb.de :)11:18
dholbachplanet.ubuntu.com :-)11:18
\shyeah its working and ogras artwork as well...:)11:19
\shthx to u guys :)11:19
dholbachyou did it yourself :-)11:20
\sh:)11:21
\shand today i had this supergau ;)11:21
\shrebooted the server and hotplug bugged my machine11:22
herve\sh, looking at your site, you're a trekkie? :-)11:22
\shherve: hehe...no not et al but I like the series...but really no hardcore trekkie11:23
hervenor do I11:24
hervebut I like the humanity in stng11:24
hervethe original series is just by far too ridiculous11:24
dholbachyou have to see it in historic context :-)11:24
hervesure, I can forgive them :-)11:25
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dholbachchief!11:26
chiefofthejojo1hi!11:26
dholbachwelcome back! :-)11:26
chiefofthejojo1:)11:26
chiefofthejojo1thank you very much11:26
dholbach:-)11:26
ograoh, hi chiefofthejojo111:26
chiefofthejojo1hi ogra11:26
chiefofthejojo1I've been reading up on packaging so that I can try and help with that11:27
dholbachof course!11:27
dholbachyou don't have to package new packages from scratch, you can rather start fixing existing ones11:28
dholbachit's much easier11:28
chiefofthejojo1ohhhh.  ok11:28
chiefofthejojo1so, is there a list somewhere?11:28
ograyep11:28
dholbachthere are lots of bugs on malone, even easy ones, UniverseCxxTransition on the wiki is another big target11:28
chiefofthejojo1I'm having a little trouble navigating the wiki, I couldn't find the list of packages that need help11:29
chiefofthejojo1what's malone?11:29
dholbachand some integrate patches into newer debian versions on bugzilla11:29
dholbachhttps://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs11:29
chiefofthejojo1oh11:29
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\shok..guys..one puzzle for the evening11:30
chiefofthejojo1ohhhh, i get it11:30
chiefofthejojo1what's the puzzle \sh?11:31
\shok..kernel is booting11:32
\shhotplug is starting11:32
\shand ohci driver is sending to screen: "awake"11:32
\sh20-30 times per second11:32
\shepox server board , amd cpu11:32
herveohci?11:32
herveit's a usb screen? :-)11:33
chiefofthejojo1sorry, that's over my head11:33
\shover my head as well11:33
\shshell is there no problem11:33
\shbut everything else is not working...eth0 device (realtek) is not communicating with the network nothing11:34
herve\sh, isn't that the famous inotify mess?11:34
chiefofthejojo1now, that's strange11:34
\shi don't really know..i never saw those strange behaviour11:35
\shafter I stopped hotplug it was working as expected11:35
chiefofthejojo1what device are you hotplugging?11:36
herve\sh, custom kernel?11:37
\shno...just plain i386 ubuntu kernel :)11:38
\shchiefofthejojo1: officially no one...after my first boot of ubuntu on this server, hotplug wasn't even enabled11:39
=== herve trying to remember when and how the inotify mess happened
chiefofthejojo1so no device.. this is purely a software error with hotplug?11:40
\shchiefofthejojo1: the board itself has uhci and ehci devices on board (normal stuff)11:40
\shohci is i think usb compaq special stuff11:40
herve\sh, it's the official ubuntu kernel?11:41
\shherve: yes11:41
hervewell, I had it too when it happened11:41
hervebut only gamin lost its mind, not the kernel11:41
chiefofthejojo1oh, ok11:41
\shso normally, ohci should be triggered in any way...only in the detect mechanism in the beginning...and normally he should throw away the ohci stuff11:41
Amaranthherve: the inotify stuff i saw was the 2.6.11 kernel in hoary messing up when GNOME started and hard locking the machine11:42
\shi think my colleagues have another board of this in another testing machine...tomorrow i will bug them and ask for it to test it11:42
Amaranthherve: are you talking about something else?11:42
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herveAmaranth, I was trying to remember11:43
Amarantherr, none of that stuff would be installed if you booted the installer with the server option11:43
herveI also remember the kernel wilding printing messages on the console11:43
herveso it would be at a later occasion...11:43
\shAmaranth: I can't use a cd during remote install11:43
\shAmaranth: and we should try to change base-config...to have a choice between plain ubuntu-desktop and pure server install11:45
\shnot only on cd11:45
herve\sh, you have some "server" option at boot up11:45
Amaranthherve: not if he didn't use the CD11:45
Amaranth\sh: wait, you mean you did the debootstrap in a chroot over SSH madness?11:46
herveokay, it's sign I must go to bed :-)11:46
hervenight all11:46
Amaranthnight herve11:46
\shAmaranth: sure...from gentoo via ubuntu debootstrap over ssh ;)11:47
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Amaranth\sh: you're nuts11:47
\shAmaranth: it worked11:47
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\shafter 2 hours I transfered all data from gentoo to ubuntu with all services running (ok cyrus imapd package i build from debian experimental)11:48
\shapache2, php, mysql,bind,jabberd2 with all transports, and a couple of other things :)11:48
\shpostfix + smtp auth + ssl/tls + cyrus imapd (ssl/tls) + amavisd-new and AntiVir11:49
\sheverything is running11:49
dholbachgood night pals, i'm off to bed11:50
chiefofthejojo1so, what did you do to fix it, \sh? sorry i went away for a bit11:53
ogra\sh, hotplug != hotplug11:56
chiefofthejojo1huh?11:57
ogra\sh, ubuntus hotplug loads the modules for a lot of devices... it has not very much to do with hotplugging, even if it supports hot pluggable devices too11:58
\shchiefofthejojo1: as I said: /etc/init.d/hotplug stop11:58
\shogra: it was the ohci driver who went mad11:58
\shhe wrote on the screen: wakeup11:58
\shand this 20 to 30 times per second11:58
ogra\sh, put it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist then11:58
\shogra: well i don't need hotplug at all ;)11:59
ograbut dont switch off hotplug completely...11:59
\shwhy not?11:59
\shI only need the realtek driver11:59
\sh8139too11:59
ograudev/hotplug and the kernel are a team....11:59
\shgrmpf11:59
\shso i have to blacklist all modules I don't need11:59
ograno, only the ones that autoload...12:00
ogra.... because the hw is there but you dont want to use it....12:00
ograothers arent autoloaded because they arent needed...12:01
\shogra: i have 8139too in my /etc/modules12:01
\shwhere r the modules defined which are able to autoload via hotplug?12:01

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