| \sh | mako is spamming the planet ,-) | 12:23 |
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| ogra | \sh, hey, you are member now, give your rss feed url to jdub, so he can add it | 12:25 |
| ogra | hmm, looks like his blog is broken | 12:26 |
| \sh | ogra: later dude :) but thanks for reminding me :) | 12:27 |
| \sh | i'm thinking only to aggregate my ubuntu category, just because there's a lot of noise for the other stuff..or should i give the full blog rss? | 12:28 |
| \sh | night gents...:) | 12:30 |
| tseng | hi | 12:31 |
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| StR | hi there.... | 12:32 |
| StR | i'm using breezy, and want to report a problem with my X complainig about the font 'fixed' | 12:33 |
| Amaranth | X is not in universe | 12:33 |
| StR | Amaranth: so, where should I report that? | 12:33 |
| Amaranth | bugzilla.ubuntu.com | 12:34 |
| ogra | StR, its known.... and expected | 12:34 |
| ogra | no need to report it | 12:34 |
| === ajmitch feels the pain from that issue as well :) | ||
| ogra | heh, ajmitch it might get even worse :) who knows... | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | hopefully | 12:38 |
| ogra | changing such a big package as fundamental as daniels does must break... | 12:39 |
| Amaranth | pfft, it's worse | 12:39 |
| Amaranth | every shortcut key in gedit opens a new tab | 12:39 |
| Amaranth | C-s, C-x, etc | 12:39 |
| Amaranth | fixed fonts are less important :) | 12:40 |
| ogra | Amaranth, we get rid of all X11R6 dirs and incorporate x cleanly.... so modules might not be found or fontsettings etc | 12:40 |
| Amaranth | he is moving X into the real file tree? | 12:41 |
| ogra | yep | 12:41 |
| Amaranth | /usr/bin, /usr/lib, etc | 12:41 |
| Amaranth | wow | 12:41 |
| tseng | yes | 12:41 |
| ajmitch | various other packages have broken as a result of the directory change, as expected | 12:41 |
| Amaranth | I thought that was an X.org 7 thing | 12:41 |
| tseng | this is xorg 7 pre | 12:41 |
| Amaranth | o_O | 12:41 |
| StR | orga: why dou you know that? where did you read that? | 12:42 |
| ogra | *g* | 12:42 |
| ajmitch | StR: because it's happening right now :) | 12:42 |
| tseng | we know everything. | 12:42 |
| tseng | (or in the changelog) | 12:42 |
| ogra | in the several discussions and meetings i attended... | 12:42 |
| ajmitch | ogra is in the inner circle now ;) | 12:43 |
| StR | ajmitch: could you explane me what is happening? what is the real problem? | 12:43 |
| ajmitch | StR: X has been in /usr/X11R6 for time immemorable.. | 12:43 |
| Amaranth | we used to have /etc/X11/* and so on for all the X related things | 12:43 |
| ajmitch | so programs expect that | 12:44 |
| Amaranth | isn't this the kind of thing pkg-config was supposed to prevent? | 12:44 |
| ajmitch | if used properly, by everything | 12:44 |
| ogra | StR, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/XRoadmap | 12:45 |
| StR | ogra: so... my breezy should work.. when? | 12:48 |
| ogra | StR, if daniels is ready :) | 12:48 |
| ogra | StR, and if the gcc4 transition is done... | 12:48 |
| ogra | about 1,5~2 weeks... | 12:49 |
| ogra | depends more or less on what breaks... nobody can tell... | 12:50 |
| ogra | StR, but thats the nature of a development distro :) | 12:50 |
| StR | ogra: ok... just to know every1 knows about the problem... | 12:50 |
| ogra | StR, its even described in the roadmap... | 12:51 |
| StR | ogra: I didn't know about the roadmap | 12:52 |
| StR | so.. thanks | 12:52 |
| ogra | "break out protocol headers, fonts, documentation, xterm" | 12:52 |
| ogra | StR, i just posted the url above 10mins ago | 12:52 |
| ogra | 5 | 12:52 |
| StR | ogra... so.. thanks <-- for the link you pasted | 12:52 |
| ogra | :) | 12:52 |
| ogra | sorry, my bad | 12:53 |
| === StR needs a cigarret while thinking what he is going to do without X for 2 weeks | ||
| ogra | StR, the path X searches must be in the log... find the new path and make a symlink.... | 12:54 |
| ogra | (something with X11R6 and fonts in it :) ) | 12:54 |
| tseng | i just fixed my xorg.conf by hand | 01:02 |
| StR | tseng: what did you do? | 01:12 |
| tseng | changed the paths? | 01:13 |
| tseng | to /usr/share/fonts | 01:13 |
| StR | :%s/what/\/usr\/share\/fonts ? | 01:13 |
| tseng | oh man dont do that | 01:14 |
| tseng | /usr/lib/fonts | 01:14 |
| StR | tseng: and only that? | 01:16 |
| tseng | thats all I did, yes | 01:16 |
| StR | tseng: and restart X, right? | 01:16 |
| tseng | yes? | 01:16 |
| schweeb | is breezy completely broke right now? | 01:21 |
| StR | schweeb: yes | 01:21 |
| tseng | not completely | 01:21 |
| schweeb | i.e. if I upgrade, will I still have enough functionality to have working X, tbird, gaim, and ssh | 01:21 |
| StR | tseng fixed it | 01:21 |
| StR | schweeb: with some hand job ... | 01:22 |
| tseng | omfgwee | 01:22 |
| tseng | StR++ | 01:22 |
| ogra | lol | 01:23 |
| Amaranth | /usr/lib/fonts/? | 01:30 |
| tseng | yes? | 01:31 |
| Amaranth | wtf were they thinking when they put fonts there? | 01:31 |
| tseng | dude | 01:31 |
| tseng | david fucking dawes | 01:31 |
| tseng | comeon. | 01:31 |
| Amaranth | don't know who that is | 01:31 |
| Amaranth | /usr/share/fonts/ makes more sense | 01:31 |
| tseng | xfree relicense? | 01:31 |
| tseng | "we dont need no stinkin gpl" | 01:31 |
| === schweeb dist-upgrades to breezy | ||
| Amaranth | oh, the moron that made it illegal to distribute XFree86 with GPL apps that run on top of it? | 01:32 |
| tseng | yes | 01:32 |
| schweeb | we'll see how horribly this goes | 01:32 |
| Amaranth | btw, that license sounds a lot like the OpenSSL one | 01:32 |
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| schweeb | 3hrs to breezy | 01:34 |
| Amaranth | hmm, it seems like lots of people are screwing with their blogs and totally breaking every planet i subscribe too | 01:38 |
| tseng | its normally not their fault | 01:38 |
| tseng | its the blog software | 01:38 |
| Amaranth | if they do something that changes their RSS feed i'd say it's their fault :) | 01:39 |
| tseng | i upgraded wordpress twice now with no such problem | 01:39 |
| Burgundavia | ogra, ping | 01:39 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, pong | 01:39 |
| Burgundavia | ogra, http://www.onlamp.com/pub/wlg/7106 | 01:39 |
| ogra | cool | 01:41 |
| Burgundavia | open source maps.google! | 01:41 |
| ogra | http://maps.dmsolutions.ca/ | 01:42 |
| ogra | woah, thats cool | 01:42 |
| Burgundavia | ya | 01:42 |
| ogra | panning without reloading | 01:42 |
| Burgundavia | and mapserver is a pretty robust solution already, and this builds on top of it | 01:43 |
| ogra | yep, i once built a intranet mapserver based on it... it was already stable in 2000 | 01:43 |
| Burgundavia | am going to add the info to UbuntuGIS | 01:44 |
| tseng | seen dredg? | 01:44 |
| ogra | nope | 01:44 |
| Amaranth | does that one have satellite images? | 01:44 |
| Burgundavia | no | 01:44 |
| ogra | tseng, not since quite some time | 01:44 |
| ogra | Amaranth, good maps and images are still the expensive part on that | 01:45 |
| Burgundavia | sat images are expensive | 01:45 |
| Amaranth | yeah, but they're the thing i like about google's | 01:46 |
| Amaranth | so you can look at things like http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.896741,-77.036594&spn=0.006137,0.009291&t=k | 01:47 |
| ogra | yep... air pictures too | 01:47 |
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| Amaranth | btw, they changed the ammount you can zoom on that address | 01:47 |
| ogra | which ? the google map ? | 01:47 |
| Amaranth | the google map | 01:48 |
| Amaranth | you used to be able to zoom in closer on that address | 01:48 |
| Amaranth | the one google is showing, i mean | 01:48 |
| ogra | o :( | 01:52 |
| ogra | os/o/oh | 01:52 |
| ogra | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-May/035933.html | 01:52 |
| tseng | oh no! | 01:53 |
| tseng | i lost my blog banner thingy | 01:53 |
| tseng | it was so cool and weird | 01:58 |
| tseng | gar | 01:58 |
| tseng | btw why are all the gtk+ keybindings barfed up | 01:59 |
| ajmitch | probably because of X issues :) | 01:59 |
| ogra | StR, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/XRoadmap | 01:59 |
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| ivoks | yo :) | 02:05 |
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| Amaranth | fun | 02:10 |
| ivoks | :) | 02:10 |
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| Amaranth | HostingGeek: ? | 04:06 |
| HostingGeek | Amaranth: ? | 04:06 |
| Amaranth | HostingGeek: You said my name. | 04:07 |
| Amaranth | HostingGeek: Actually, you smacked me. | 04:07 |
| HostingGeek | Amaranth: You said my nick name. | 04:07 |
| Amaranth | err, what? | 04:07 |
| Amaranth | * HostingGeek smacks Travis Watkins | 04:07 |
| HostingGeek | Amaranth: Actually, you beeped me 4 times. | 04:08 |
| Amaranth | I have no idea what you're talking about. | 04:08 |
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| HostingGeek | I AM PACKAGING XCHAT-GNOME | 04:40 |
| HostingGeek | And I already have | 04:40 |
| HostingGeek | No one else here should waste their time! | 04:40 |
| HostingGeek | arghh seb128 can take it | 04:41 |
| HostingGeek | I was packaging 0.3 but they didn't want me to... and now that 0.4 is out seb128 stole it from me | 04:42 |
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| _abbenormal | ok one around to help with xfce4 | 05:16 |
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| Amaranth | HostingGeek: seb128 is a packaging machine, you can't compete with him | 05:28 |
| HostingGeek | Amaranth: he stole it from me | 05:29 |
| Amaranth | HostingGeek: I think I'd trust his package more than yours, see the machine comment. | 05:29 |
| Amaranth | HostingGeek: Don't suppose you know anything about implementing DnD with GTK. :) | 05:30 |
| HostingGeek | DnD? | 05:30 |
| Amaranth | drag and drop | 05:30 |
| HostingGeek | Amaranth: I know a tiny tiny bit... Like there is already such a thing and QT suck because it can't do it as good at GTK... | 05:32 |
| Amaranth | ok, i'll go find someone who knows what they're talking about :) | 05:33 |
| \sh | morning gents | 06:33 |
| dahane | morning sir | 06:39 |
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| \sh | umm...looks like that I have to hurry up with showering and running into the office | 06:40 |
| dahane | go go go | 06:42 |
| \sh | no :) | 06:42 |
| \sh | I'm old need my peace right now :) at least to many over hours | 06:43 |
| dahane | hmm... seems like you want to be a Hartz4 victim :) | 06:43 |
| \sh | dahane: hehe...no :) but with 40 hours on my gleitzeit table | 06:44 |
| dahane | what about making "blau" hehe | 06:49 |
| \sh | no :) | 06:51 |
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| \sh | ouch | 07:10 |
| \sh | no peace at all... | 07:10 |
| \sh | now i have to hurry up...just because some nagra machines are down :( | 07:10 |
| \sh | bbl | 07:11 |
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| ivoks | thom: new firefox has some issue on my ubuntu | 08:33 |
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| \sh | re | 09:33 |
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| crimsun_ | morning, mike | 03:13 |
| tritium | Good morning, Daniel | 03:14 |
| ogra | hey MOTUs | 03:16 |
| crimsun_ | hey, ogra :) | 03:17 |
| tritium | Hi ogra :) | 03:17 |
| doko | hey ogra | 03:19 |
| ogra | hey doko... have to do some other stuff for 1-2h but then i'll dive back into Cxx :) | 03:19 |
| siretart | jippie. londonlaw finally got built in breezy! :) | 03:23 |
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| SEBest | Hello masters! | 04:02 |
| SEBest | I wrote a software, and also did an ubuntu package for it | 04:03 |
| SEBest | and i'd like to know, what is needed to help him entering in universe | 04:03 |
| SEBest | it's webpage is there: | 04:04 |
| SEBest | http://gentoo.ovibes.net/nautilus-share/ | 04:04 |
| SEBest | any advice is welcome! | 04:04 |
| ogra | SEBest, _you_ are the guy who wrote nautilus-share ??? | 04:17 |
| SEBest | ogra: yes | 04:17 |
| === ogra takes a bow to SEBest | ||
| ogra | great work ! | 04:17 |
| SEBest | thanx :) | 04:17 |
| ogra | SEBest, i think seb128 in #ubuntu-devel would be intersted to meet you :) | 04:18 |
| SEBest | ogra: i'm already in contact with him | 04:18 |
| ogra | yay | 04:19 |
| SEBest | ogra: we are both french we talked on ubuntu-fr | 04:19 |
| ogra | we normally put new software on our MOTUNewPackages wiki page for reviews... | 04:19 |
| SEBest | oki, let me check this page | 04:20 |
| ogra | but the reviews take quite some time since we are not many people yet, so if you could get a review from seb128 it would speed up a bit i think, he has interest to have it available in ubuntu | 04:20 |
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| SEBest | ogra: oki, i'll add a line in the wiki, and ask seb128 for a review :) | 04:22 |
| ogra | yeah | 04:22 |
| SEBest | ogra, should i put the adress of the .deb or of the website where all info about debs are? | 04:26 |
| ogra | SEBest, put a link to a webdir wher we find the source package on the site | 04:27 |
| SEBest | ogra: oki i did it. | 04:30 |
| ogra | great :) | 04:30 |
| \sh | hmmm... | 04:38 |
| \sh | is there a possibility to load a new partition layout at runtime? or only after reboot? | 04:39 |
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| \sh | grmpf | 06:01 |
| \sh | i shot the server and the server doesn't respond anymore *sing* | 06:01 |
| \sh | i hope the harddrive is not + | 06:01 |
| \sh | broken | 06:01 |
| siretart | \sh: http://www.ncc.itgate.net/noc-humour.htm :) | 06:02 |
| \sh | :)) | 06:03 |
| \sh | i wonder what happend. ping is working...bit the rest not...so i think he hangs somewhere | 06:03 |
| \sh | we will see...remote hands informed...waiting for call :) | 06:05 |
| \sh | and funny thing: nmap says: no ports opened..i think this is the most secured server in the world..;-9 | 06:07 |
| SEBest | the most secured server is the one with no network card | 06:08 |
| SEBest | because you could still exploit a bug in the tcp/ip stack :) | 06:09 |
| \sh | no ways it's ubuntu ;) | 06:09 |
| siretart | SEBest: thats hardly a 'server' ;) | 06:09 |
| SEBest | siretart: but there it's neither a server :) | 06:09 |
| SEBest | siretart: a server of ping :d | 06:10 |
| \sh | funny idea behind it, before I rebooted, I had a spare gentoo install on this machine (on the second harddrive) and this install i decided to delete | 06:10 |
| SEBest | icmp echo reply | 06:10 |
| SEBest | if it pings, it means it started the boot sequence, it's not looked in a kernel panic or somehting | 06:11 |
| \sh | but I have sshd etc. in the runlevels | 06:12 |
| SEBest | no firewall? | 06:12 |
| \sh | no | 06:12 |
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| jamessan|work | is it waiting for an NFS mount that can't be reached? | 06:12 |
| \sh | nfs? | 06:13 |
| \sh | for what shoukld i use nfs :) | 06:13 |
| SEBest | \sh you should install icmpsh :d | 06:13 |
| jamessan|work | ok, so it's not that | 06:13 |
| jamessan|work | I've had servers get stuck in the boot sequence attempting to mount an NFS share. they weren't remotely accessible since that happens before services like sshd are started | 06:14 |
| \sh | well..the guy in the DC has to plug a screen...so he can tell me where the machine hangs | 06:15 |
| SEBest | jamessan, it depends on if you mount them with nolock option or not | 06:15 |
| \sh | ah remote hands calling | 06:18 |
| \sh | ready for action | 06:18 |
| \sh | i need a serial cable for the next time and grub must be enabled for serial output | 06:19 |
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| \sh | and the kernel needs to have serial output possibility as well | 06:20 |
| SEBest | \sh, or an ip kvm | 06:20 |
| jamessan|work | SEBest: I'll have to remember that next time I have such a server | 06:20 |
| \sh | remote insight board ;) | 06:22 |
| \sh | but it's friday .. so everybody's going out and I have to fight with boot problems | 06:23 |
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| \sh | looks like i have to go to the DC by myself...screen doesn't show anything | 06:29 |
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| dholbach | hellas | 06:54 |
| dholbach | hey SEBest :-) | 06:54 |
| dholbach | SEBest: seb128 showed me your NICE share-your-nautilus-stuff-webpage *ROCK* | 06:55 |
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| ogra | dholbach, we already have it on MOTUNewPackages ;) | 06:58 |
| dholbach | WOW, ROCK!!! | 06:58 |
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| ogra | hehe | 06:58 |
| jamessan|work | was that one of the Gnome bounties? | 06:58 |
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| SEBest | thanx dholbach :) | 06:59 |
| dholbach | how's the feeling: when will we be done with the C++ transition? | 07:25 |
| dholbach | doko: what did we decide on ancient g++ build-depends? dropping them? | 07:32 |
| doko | dholbach: yes, why not | 07:33 |
| dholbach | ok | 07:33 |
| doko | mention it in the changelog | 07:33 |
| dholbach | ok | 07:33 |
| dholbach | doko: since when are you in debian? | 07:36 |
| dholbach | do you recall a (internal) distribution name "frozen unstable"? | 07:37 |
| dholbach | it shows up in the changelog :-) | 07:37 |
| doko | in the old days uploads to more than one distribuition were allowed | 07:38 |
| dholbach | oh nice | 07:39 |
| dholbach | it was 1998 and it talks something about hamm, that's been a while | 07:40 |
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| herve | hello #ubuntu-motu! | 07:48 |
| dholbach | hellas herve | 07:48 |
| ogra | hey herve | 07:48 |
| ogra | your patch didnt work .... | 07:48 |
| herve | no! | 07:48 |
| herve | nooooooooo! | 07:48 |
| herve | too bad :-) | 07:48 |
| ogra | it couldnt apply at all | 07:48 |
| herve | erm | 07:49 |
| herve | silly me... did I reverted the sources beforehand... | 07:49 |
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| herve | dholbach, could you provide me ssh access to an amd64 machine? | 07:51 |
| dholbach | herve: yes | 07:51 |
| dholbach | doko: libsigc++ (in universe) doesnt seem to be on the list | 08:00 |
| dholbach | doko: i add it, ok? | 08:01 |
| doko | it's old, isn't it? should it go to the morgue? | 08:01 |
| dholbach | gtkmm uses it (which imho should go to the morgue as well) ;-) | 08:02 |
| ogra | dholbach, i'm currently working on it... | 08:02 |
| dholbach | (not gtkm2.{0,4}) | 08:02 |
| dholbach | ogra: which one | 08:02 |
| ogra | there are some other libs depending on it | 08:02 |
| ogra | but its on the list... | 08:02 |
| ogra | wait | 08:02 |
| dholbach | ogra: which package? gtkmm (source package, universe)? | 08:03 |
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| herve | doko, the debian sync have already been open? | 08:04 |
| doko | herve: no | 08:04 |
| herve | there about 30 "auto-installed" packages this afternoon, maybe more | 08:04 |
| dholbach | don't we sync stuff from debian? i'm quite sure we do | 08:04 |
| dholbach | that's how we got the MOM bugs :-) | 08:05 |
| herve | I thought it was blocked during the transition | 08:05 |
| herve | so I was suprised | 08:05 |
| herve | and siretart (?) will be happy, londonlaw entered ubuntu :-) | 08:06 |
| dholbach | yes :-) | 08:07 |
| ogra | dholbach, sorry, false alert, its libsigcx | 08:07 |
| dholbach | ok | 08:07 |
| dholbach | doko: we can' remove gtkmm just like that :-/ | 08:08 |
| dholbach | doko: i'll try building it with a newer libsigc++ | 08:09 |
| siretart | herve: yeah! :) | 08:09 |
| siretart | but londonlaw is uncritical, it's an arch: any package (python game) | 08:10 |
| herve | that reminds my I should refreshen and package mine | 08:10 |
| herve | (refresh... don't pay attention, I'm drunk!) | 08:11 |
| doko | herve: but no C++ stuff | 08:11 |
| herve | ha ok | 08:11 |
| herve | there's a fine blacklist | 08:11 |
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| herve | yo ivoks! | 08:15 |
| ivoks | herve: | 08:16 |
| ivoks | hi | 08:16 |
| ivoks | what's up? | 08:16 |
| ivoks | i was in austria today | 08:16 |
| herve | nice | 08:17 |
| ivoks | i have to work on my german... | 08:18 |
| ivoks | i forgot lot of words :( | 08:18 |
| herve | how to say "beer"? :-) | 08:18 |
| ivoks | hm :) | 08:18 |
| ivoks | bier | 08:19 |
| herve | I find strange ubuntu-desktop already pushes OOo 2 | 08:20 |
| herve | sure we're using breezy, but it's not stable enough | 08:20 |
| ivoks | i don't care.. | 08:21 |
| ivoks | i'm not using office apps | 08:21 |
| ivoks | :) | 08:21 |
| herve | hmm... I can't transition tulip, I need other libs to transhumance first | 08:22 |
| ivoks | i know :) | 08:22 |
| ivoks | finally!!!!!! | 08:23 |
| ivoks | ipw2200 supports monitor mode | 08:23 |
| herve | whichs brings? | 08:24 |
| ivoks | kismet will work on ipw220 based cards | 08:25 |
| ivoks | so will airsnort | 08:25 |
| herve | ok, not really useful for me | 08:28 |
| ivoks | it is for me :) | 08:28 |
| ivoks | hm... herve do you know networking? :) | 08:36 |
| herve | I just want it to work and give me no problem :-) | 08:37 |
| ivoks | heh... you are blessed :) | 08:37 |
| herve | I always connect from the same point with my ipw2200 | 08:38 |
| herve | so I don't know the joice of configs, keys, and the like | 08:38 |
| ivoks | i move my lap between varius networkg | 08:39 |
| ivoks | networks... | 08:39 |
| herve | your lap, you sure? | 08:40 |
| herve | -:) | 08:40 |
| ivoks | ? | 08:40 |
| herve | http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lap | 08:41 |
| ivoks | ah... | 08:41 |
| ivoks | i hate remote reboot :( | 08:42 |
| ivoks | you newer know is everything going ok... then that tention... | 08:43 |
| ivoks | and "omg, it should be up by now..." | 08:43 |
| herve | it's like russian roulette :-) | 08:43 |
| dholbach | doko: libsigc++ needs to be transitioned | 08:43 |
| ivoks | uh... it's still not up :( | 08:44 |
| ivoks | come on.... I don't want to go to the other side of town | 08:45 |
| herve | ivoks, you're like a parent wondering why his child hasn't come home yet :-) | 08:45 |
| ivoks | :) | 08:45 |
| ivoks | herve: well... it's something like that | 08:45 |
| ivoks | omg... | 08:46 |
| ivoks | it didn't boot | 08:46 |
| ivoks | why, god, why me?! | 08:46 |
| ivoks | herve: that's router for over 300 machines :) | 08:47 |
| herve | did you updated lilo? :-p | 08:47 |
| ivoks | i didn't change kernel at all | 08:47 |
| herve | (update) | 08:47 |
| herve | fsck? | 08:47 |
| ivoks | hm... | 08:47 |
| herve | that was the 30th reboot! | 08:48 |
| ivoks | could be... he was up for long long time | 08:48 |
| herve | or 31, depending on the config, anyway | 08:48 |
| ivoks | but 10 minutes is too mucj | 08:48 |
| ivoks | man... fu....c.....k.... | 08:48 |
| herve | I saw devices to transfer screen output over the network | 08:49 |
| ivoks | shit, i have to fix that... no mails, no web of my faculty till then | 08:49 |
| ivoks | time to go.... | 08:49 |
| ivoks | bye | 08:49 |
| herve | then the machine just went up... | 08:50 |
| herve | :-) | 08:50 |
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| herve | yo tritium! | 08:51 |
| dholbach | tritium: hey michael | 08:51 |
| tritium | hi herve and dholbach :) | 08:51 |
| tritium | dholbach, how's the school work coming along? | 08:52 |
| dholbach | tritium: slowly evolving... | 08:53 |
| dholbach | tritium: how's yours? | 08:53 |
| tritium | dholbach, oh, it's got me pretty concerned/stressed | 08:54 |
| dholbach | tritium: i can absolutely understand... | 08:55 |
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| ivoks | hm... | 08:58 |
| ivoks | it looks like 161.53.50.2 is down... | 08:58 |
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| doko | dholbach: do you convert libsigc++? | 09:00 |
| dholbach | doko: it's a HORRIBLE MESS | 09:01 |
| dholbach | but i take care of it | 09:01 |
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| dholbach | doko: can i please do additional changes to the package? | 09:34 |
| dholbach | doko: it hurts my eyes... badly | 09:35 |
| ivoks | :)) | 09:35 |
| dholbach | doko: there's a complete debian/libsigc++/usr/share/... | 09:35 |
| dholbach | ok, maybe i'll to a c++ changes only upload and another one ;-) | 09:37 |
| ogra | dholbach, is this libsigc++-1.2 ? | 09:39 |
| dholbach | no, libsigc++ | 09:40 |
| dholbach | (source package) | 09:40 |
| ogra | hrm | 09:40 |
| dholbach | pourquoi? | 09:40 |
| ogra | libsigcx uses it | 09:41 |
| dholbach | so i better get a move on, right? | 09:44 |
| tseng | what am i suppoised to do with blam | 09:45 |
| ogra | no, libsigc++-1.2 is already transitioned | 09:45 |
| ogra | but libsigcx doesnt build.... | 09:45 |
| herve | gaaah! g++ won't let me cast an object to unsigned | 09:45 |
| herve | let it mind its own business! :-) | 09:46 |
| dholbach | ah ok, ogra | 09:46 |
| ogra | tseng, reading feeds ? | 09:46 |
| tseng | no, c++ | 09:46 |
| herve | I guess an unsigned int is 64-bit long on amd64 and ia64? | 09:47 |
| ogra | tseng, only waiting helps.... | 09:48 |
| tseng | ok... | 09:48 |
| tseng | bbl then | 09:49 |
| siretart | hm. I just found 2 minor bugs in mythtv source package, both causing FTBFS | 09:49 |
| herve | do you know how to solve it? | 09:50 |
| siretart | herve: yes, both affect amd64, probably only. | 09:51 |
| siretart | herve: one is a build dependency, the other one is a wrong compiler flag | 09:52 |
| siretart | still compiling here, but looking good | 09:52 |
| herve | I'll happily sponsor your upload if needed | 09:52 |
| siretart | great :) - but you know, its mdz's baby ;) | 09:53 |
| herve | I step back then :-) | 09:53 |
| siretart | lol | 09:54 |
| dholbach | you can write him an email after you fixed it :-) | 09:54 |
| siretart | I hope he's not too overworked with breezy, but emails are patient ;) | 09:56 |
| herve | I quit, C++ hell is out of my skill | 09:58 |
| ogra | siretart, he shouldnt be overworked since hes on holiday, but he'll have to catch up with a week of mail ;) | 10:00 |
| dholbach | he's fast at writing mails :-) | 10:01 |
| ogra | he reads -users mails ;) | 10:01 |
| siretart | oh. good to know :) | 10:02 |
| |QuaD-_ | how well does hula work? is it buggy? | 10:03 |
| herve | theorically speaking, of course not :-) | 10:03 |
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| ogra | ../sigcx/tunnel.h:223: error: no matching function for call to 'pack(SigC::Slot1<bool, const std::string&>&, const std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >&)' | 10:09 |
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| herve | and I was complaining! | 10:09 |
| herve | :-) | 10:09 |
| ogra | |QuaD-_, i didnt try to mail with it, but when i tested the package it worked well out of the box | 10:09 |
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| |QuaD-_ | ogra: nice | 10:15 |
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| \sh | re | 11:17 |
| herve | yo \sh! | 11:17 |
| \sh | the server is up and running again... | 11:17 |
| dholbach | hey \sh | 11:17 |
| \sh | nice pitfall at least | 11:17 |
| dholbach | \sh: a really nice blog entry! | 11:18 |
| \sh | hoo? | 11:18 |
| dholbach | \sh: thanks :-) | 11:18 |
| \sh | ah u mean on linux.blogweb.de :) | 11:18 |
| dholbach | planet.ubuntu.com :-) | 11:18 |
| \sh | yeah its working and ogras artwork as well...:) | 11:19 |
| \sh | thx to u guys :) | 11:19 |
| dholbach | you did it yourself :-) | 11:20 |
| \sh | :) | 11:21 |
| \sh | and today i had this supergau ;) | 11:21 |
| \sh | rebooted the server and hotplug bugged my machine | 11:22 |
| herve | \sh, looking at your site, you're a trekkie? :-) | 11:22 |
| \sh | herve: hehe...no not et al but I like the series...but really no hardcore trekkie | 11:23 |
| herve | nor do I | 11:24 |
| herve | but I like the humanity in stng | 11:24 |
| herve | the original series is just by far too ridiculous | 11:24 |
| dholbach | you have to see it in historic context :-) | 11:24 |
| herve | sure, I can forgive them :-) | 11:25 |
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| dholbach | chief! | 11:26 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | hi! | 11:26 |
| dholbach | welcome back! :-) | 11:26 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | :) | 11:26 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | thank you very much | 11:26 |
| dholbach | :-) | 11:26 |
| ogra | oh, hi chiefofthejojo1 | 11:26 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | hi ogra | 11:26 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | I've been reading up on packaging so that I can try and help with that | 11:27 |
| dholbach | of course! | 11:27 |
| dholbach | you don't have to package new packages from scratch, you can rather start fixing existing ones | 11:28 |
| dholbach | it's much easier | 11:28 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | ohhhh. ok | 11:28 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | so, is there a list somewhere? | 11:28 |
| ogra | yep | 11:28 |
| dholbach | there are lots of bugs on malone, even easy ones, UniverseCxxTransition on the wiki is another big target | 11:28 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | I'm having a little trouble navigating the wiki, I couldn't find the list of packages that need help | 11:29 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | what's malone? | 11:29 |
| dholbach | and some integrate patches into newer debian versions on bugzilla | 11:29 |
| dholbach | https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | 11:29 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | oh | 11:29 |
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| \sh | ok..guys..one puzzle for the evening | 11:30 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | ohhhh, i get it | 11:30 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | what's the puzzle \sh? | 11:31 |
| \sh | ok..kernel is booting | 11:32 |
| \sh | hotplug is starting | 11:32 |
| \sh | and ohci driver is sending to screen: "awake" | 11:32 |
| \sh | 20-30 times per second | 11:32 |
| \sh | epox server board , amd cpu | 11:32 |
| herve | ohci? | 11:32 |
| herve | it's a usb screen? :-) | 11:33 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | sorry, that's over my head | 11:33 |
| \sh | over my head as well | 11:33 |
| \sh | shell is there no problem | 11:33 |
| \sh | but everything else is not working...eth0 device (realtek) is not communicating with the network nothing | 11:34 |
| herve | \sh, isn't that the famous inotify mess? | 11:34 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | now, that's strange | 11:34 |
| \sh | i don't really know..i never saw those strange behaviour | 11:35 |
| \sh | after I stopped hotplug it was working as expected | 11:35 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | what device are you hotplugging? | 11:36 |
| herve | \sh, custom kernel? | 11:37 |
| \sh | no...just plain i386 ubuntu kernel :) | 11:38 |
| \sh | chiefofthejojo1: officially no one...after my first boot of ubuntu on this server, hotplug wasn't even enabled | 11:39 |
| === herve trying to remember when and how the inotify mess happened | ||
| chiefofthejojo1 | so no device.. this is purely a software error with hotplug? | 11:40 |
| \sh | chiefofthejojo1: the board itself has uhci and ehci devices on board (normal stuff) | 11:40 |
| \sh | ohci is i think usb compaq special stuff | 11:40 |
| herve | \sh, it's the official ubuntu kernel? | 11:41 |
| \sh | herve: yes | 11:41 |
| herve | well, I had it too when it happened | 11:41 |
| herve | but only gamin lost its mind, not the kernel | 11:41 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | oh, ok | 11:41 |
| \sh | so normally, ohci should be triggered in any way...only in the detect mechanism in the beginning...and normally he should throw away the ohci stuff | 11:41 |
| Amaranth | herve: the inotify stuff i saw was the 2.6.11 kernel in hoary messing up when GNOME started and hard locking the machine | 11:42 |
| \sh | i think my colleagues have another board of this in another testing machine...tomorrow i will bug them and ask for it to test it | 11:42 |
| Amaranth | herve: are you talking about something else? | 11:42 |
| === \sh doesn't have any X starting at all :) i hope i removed all gnome and X stuff after debootstrapping ubuntu | ||
| herve | Amaranth, I was trying to remember | 11:43 |
| Amaranth | err, none of that stuff would be installed if you booted the installer with the server option | 11:43 |
| herve | I also remember the kernel wilding printing messages on the console | 11:43 |
| herve | so it would be at a later occasion... | 11:43 |
| \sh | Amaranth: I can't use a cd during remote install | 11:43 |
| \sh | Amaranth: and we should try to change base-config...to have a choice between plain ubuntu-desktop and pure server install | 11:45 |
| \sh | not only on cd | 11:45 |
| herve | \sh, you have some "server" option at boot up | 11:45 |
| Amaranth | herve: not if he didn't use the CD | 11:45 |
| Amaranth | \sh: wait, you mean you did the debootstrap in a chroot over SSH madness? | 11:46 |
| herve | okay, it's sign I must go to bed :-) | 11:46 |
| herve | night all | 11:46 |
| Amaranth | night herve | 11:46 |
| \sh | Amaranth: sure...from gentoo via ubuntu debootstrap over ssh ;) | 11:47 |
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| Amaranth | \sh: you're nuts | 11:47 |
| \sh | Amaranth: it worked | 11:47 |
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| \sh | after 2 hours I transfered all data from gentoo to ubuntu with all services running (ok cyrus imapd package i build from debian experimental) | 11:48 |
| \sh | apache2, php, mysql,bind,jabberd2 with all transports, and a couple of other things :) | 11:48 |
| \sh | postfix + smtp auth + ssl/tls + cyrus imapd (ssl/tls) + amavisd-new and AntiVir | 11:49 |
| \sh | everything is running | 11:49 |
| dholbach | good night pals, i'm off to bed | 11:50 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | so, what did you do to fix it, \sh? sorry i went away for a bit | 11:53 |
| ogra | \sh, hotplug != hotplug | 11:56 |
| chiefofthejojo1 | huh? | 11:57 |
| ogra | \sh, ubuntus hotplug loads the modules for a lot of devices... it has not very much to do with hotplugging, even if it supports hot pluggable devices too | 11:58 |
| \sh | chiefofthejojo1: as I said: /etc/init.d/hotplug stop | 11:58 |
| \sh | ogra: it was the ohci driver who went mad | 11:58 |
| \sh | he wrote on the screen: wakeup | 11:58 |
| \sh | and this 20 to 30 times per second | 11:58 |
| ogra | \sh, put it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist then | 11:58 |
| \sh | ogra: well i don't need hotplug at all ;) | 11:59 |
| ogra | but dont switch off hotplug completely... | 11:59 |
| \sh | why not? | 11:59 |
| \sh | I only need the realtek driver | 11:59 |
| \sh | 8139too | 11:59 |
| ogra | udev/hotplug and the kernel are a team.... | 11:59 |
| \sh | grmpf | 11:59 |
| \sh | so i have to blacklist all modules I don't need | 11:59 |
| ogra | no, only the ones that autoload... | 12:00 |
| ogra | .... because the hw is there but you dont want to use it.... | 12:00 |
| ogra | others arent autoloaded because they arent needed... | 12:01 |
| \sh | ogra: i have 8139too in my /etc/modules | 12:01 |
| \sh | where r the modules defined which are able to autoload via hotplug? | 12:01 |
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