[12:23] <\sh> mako is spamming the planet ,-)
[12:25] <ogra> \sh, hey, you are member now, give your rss feed url to jdub, so he can add it
[12:26] <ogra> hmm, looks like his blog is broken
[12:27] <\sh> ogra: later dude :) but thanks for reminding me :)
[12:28] <\sh> i'm thinking only to aggregate my ubuntu category, just because there's a lot of noise for the other stuff..or should i give the full blog rss?
[12:30] <\sh> night gents...:)
[12:31] <tseng> hi
[12:32] <StR> hi there....
[12:33] <StR> i'm using breezy, and want to report a problem with my X complainig about the font 'fixed'
[12:33] <Amaranth> X is not in universe
[12:33] <StR> Amaranth: so, where should I report that?
[12:34] <Amaranth> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:34] <ogra> StR, its known.... and expected
[12:34] <ogra> no need to report it
[12:38] <ogra> heh, ajmitch it might get even worse :) who knows...
[12:38] <ajmitch> hopefully
[12:39] <ogra> changing such a big package as fundamental as daniels does must break...
[12:39] <Amaranth> pfft, it's worse
[12:39] <Amaranth> every shortcut key in gedit opens a new tab
[12:39] <Amaranth> C-s, C-x, etc
[12:40] <Amaranth> fixed fonts are less important :)
[12:40] <ogra> Amaranth, we get rid of all X11R6 dirs and incorporate x cleanly.... so modules might not be found or fontsettings etc
[12:41] <Amaranth> he is moving X into the real file tree?
[12:41] <ogra> yep
[12:41] <Amaranth> /usr/bin, /usr/lib, etc
[12:41] <Amaranth> wow
[12:41] <tseng> yes
[12:41] <ajmitch> various other packages have broken as a result of the directory change, as expected
[12:41] <Amaranth> I thought that was an X.org 7 thing
[12:41] <tseng> this is xorg 7 pre
[12:41] <Amaranth> o_O
[12:42] <StR> orga: why dou you know that?  where did you read that?
[12:42] <ogra> *g*
[12:42] <ajmitch> StR: because it's happening right now :)
[12:42] <tseng> we know everything.
[12:42] <tseng> (or in the changelog)
[12:42] <ogra> in the several discussions and meetings i attended...
[12:43] <ajmitch> ogra is in the inner circle now ;)
[12:43] <StR> ajmitch: could you explane me what is happening?   what is the real problem?
[12:43] <ajmitch> StR: X has been in /usr/X11R6 for time immemorable..
[12:43] <Amaranth> we used to have /etc/X11/* and so on for all the X related things
[12:44] <ajmitch> so programs expect that
[12:44] <Amaranth> isn't this the kind of thing pkg-config was supposed to prevent?
[12:44] <ajmitch> if used properly, by everything
[12:45] <ogra> StR, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/XRoadmap
[12:48] <StR> ogra: so... my breezy should work.. when?
[12:48] <ogra> StR, if daniels is ready :)
[12:48] <ogra> StR, and if the gcc4 transition is done...
[12:49] <ogra> about 1,5~2 weeks...
[12:50] <ogra> depends more or less on what breaks... nobody can tell...
[12:50] <ogra> StR, but thats the nature of a development distro :)
[12:50] <StR> ogra: ok... just to know every1 knows about the problem...
[12:51] <ogra> StR, its even described in the roadmap...
[12:52] <StR> ogra: I didn't know about the roadmap
[12:52] <StR> so.. thanks
[12:52] <ogra> "break out protocol headers, fonts, documentation, xterm"
[12:52] <ogra> StR, i just posted the url above 10mins ago
[12:52] <ogra> 5
[12:52] <StR> ogra...  so.. thanks <-- for the link you pasted
[12:52] <ogra> :)
[12:53] <ogra> sorry, my bad
[12:54] <ogra> StR, the path X searches must be in the log... find the new path and make a symlink....
[12:54] <ogra> (something with X11R6 and fonts in it :) )
[01:02] <tseng> i just fixed my xorg.conf by hand
[01:12] <StR> tseng: what did you do?
[01:13] <tseng> changed the paths?
[01:13] <tseng> to /usr/share/fonts
[01:13] <StR> :%s/what/\/usr\/share\/fonts    ?
[01:14] <tseng> oh man dont do that
[01:14] <tseng>  /usr/lib/fonts
[01:16] <StR> tseng: and only that?
[01:16] <tseng> thats all I did, yes
[01:16] <StR> tseng: and restart X, right?
[01:16] <tseng> yes?
[01:21] <schweeb> is breezy completely broke right now?
[01:21] <StR> schweeb: yes
[01:21] <tseng> not completely
[01:21] <schweeb> i.e. if I upgrade, will I still have enough functionality to have working X, tbird, gaim, and ssh
[01:21] <StR> tseng fixed it
[01:22] <StR> schweeb: with some hand job  ...
[01:22] <tseng> omfgwee
[01:22] <tseng> StR++
[01:23] <ogra> lol
[01:30] <Amaranth> /usr/lib/fonts/?
[01:31] <tseng> yes?
[01:31] <Amaranth> wtf were they thinking when they put fonts there?
[01:31] <tseng> dude
[01:31] <tseng> david fucking dawes
[01:31] <tseng> comeon.
[01:31] <Amaranth> don't know who that is
[01:31] <Amaranth> /usr/share/fonts/ makes more sense
[01:31] <tseng> xfree relicense?
[01:31] <tseng> "we dont need no stinkin gpl"
[01:32] <Amaranth> oh, the moron that made it illegal to distribute XFree86 with GPL apps that run on top of it?
[01:32] <tseng> yes
[01:32] <schweeb> we'll see how horribly this goes
[01:32] <Amaranth> btw, that license sounds a lot like the OpenSSL one
[01:34] <schweeb> 3hrs to breezy
[01:38] <Amaranth> hmm, it seems like lots of people are screwing with their blogs and totally breaking every planet i subscribe too
[01:38] <tseng> its normally not their fault
[01:38] <tseng> its the blog software
[01:39] <Amaranth> if they do something that changes their RSS feed i'd say it's their fault :)
[01:39] <tseng> i upgraded wordpress twice now with no such problem
[01:39] <Burgundavia> ogra, ping
[01:39] <ogra> Burgundavia, pong
[01:39] <Burgundavia> ogra, http://www.onlamp.com/pub/wlg/7106
[01:41] <ogra> cool
[01:41] <Burgundavia> open source maps.google!
[01:42] <ogra> http://maps.dmsolutions.ca/
[01:42] <ogra> woah, thats cool
[01:42] <Burgundavia> ya
[01:42] <ogra> panning without reloading
[01:43] <Burgundavia> and mapserver is a pretty robust solution already, and this builds on top of it
[01:43] <ogra> yep, i once built a intranet mapserver based on it... it was already stable in 2000
[01:44] <Burgundavia> am going to add the info to UbuntuGIS
[01:44] <tseng> seen dredg?
[01:44] <ogra> nope
[01:44] <Amaranth> does that one have satellite images?
[01:44] <Burgundavia> no
[01:44] <ogra> tseng, not since quite some time
[01:45] <ogra> Amaranth, good maps and images are still the expensive part on that
[01:45] <Burgundavia> sat images are expensive
[01:46] <Amaranth> yeah, but they're the thing i like about google's
[01:47] <Amaranth> so you can look at things like http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.896741,-77.036594&spn=0.006137,0.009291&t=k
[01:47] <ogra> yep... air pictures too
[01:47] <Amaranth> btw, they changed the ammount you can zoom on that address
[01:47] <ogra> which ? the google map ?
[01:48] <Amaranth> the google map
[01:48] <Amaranth> you used to be able to zoom in closer on that address
[01:48] <Amaranth> the one google is showing, i mean
[01:52] <ogra> o :(
[01:52] <ogra> os/o/oh
[01:52] <ogra> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-May/035933.html
[01:53] <tseng> oh no!
[01:53] <tseng> i lost my blog banner thingy
[01:58] <tseng> it was so cool and weird
[01:58] <tseng> gar
[01:59] <tseng> btw why are all the gtk+ keybindings barfed up
[01:59] <ajmitch> probably because of X issues :)
[01:59] <ogra> StR, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/XRoadmap
[02:05] <ivoks> yo :)
[02:10] <Amaranth> fun
[02:10] <ivoks> :)
[04:06] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: ?
[04:06] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: ?
[04:07] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: You said my name.
[04:07] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: Actually, you smacked me.
[04:07] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: You said my nick name.
[04:07] <Amaranth> err, what?
[04:07] <Amaranth> * HostingGeek smacks Travis Watkins
[04:08] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: Actually, you  beeped me 4 times.
[04:08] <Amaranth> I have no idea what you're talking about.
[04:40] <HostingGeek> I AM PACKAGING XCHAT-GNOME
[04:40] <HostingGeek> And I already have
[04:40] <HostingGeek> No one else here should waste their time!
[04:41] <HostingGeek> arghh seb128 can take it
[04:42] <HostingGeek> I was packaging 0.3 but they didn't want me to... and now that 0.4 is out seb128 stole it from me
[05:16] <_abbenormal> ok one around to help with xfce4
[05:28] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: seb128 is a packaging machine, you can't compete with him
[05:29] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: he stole it from me
[05:29] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: I think I'd trust his package more than yours, see the machine comment.
[05:30] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: Don't suppose you know anything about implementing DnD with GTK. :)
[05:30] <HostingGeek> DnD?
[05:30] <Amaranth> drag and drop
[05:32] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: I know a tiny tiny bit... Like there is already such a thing and QT suck because it can't do it as good at GTK...
[05:33] <Amaranth> ok, i'll go find someone who knows what they're talking about :)
[06:33] <\sh> morning gents
[06:39] <dahane> morning sir
[06:40] <\sh> umm...looks like that I have to hurry up with showering and running into the office
[06:42] <dahane> go go go
[06:42] <\sh> no :)
[06:43] <\sh> I'm old need my peace right now :) at least to many over hours
[06:43] <dahane> hmm... seems like you want to be a Hartz4 victim :)
[06:44] <\sh> dahane: hehe...no :) but with 40 hours on my gleitzeit table
[06:49] <dahane> what about making "blau" hehe
[06:51] <\sh> no :)
[07:10] <\sh> ouch
[07:10] <\sh> no peace at all...
[07:10] <\sh> now i have to hurry up...just because some nagra machines are down :(
[07:11] <\sh> bbl
[08:33] <ivoks> thom: new firefox has some issue on my ubuntu
[09:33] <\sh> re
[03:13] <crimsun_> morning, mike
[03:14] <tritium> Good morning, Daniel
[03:16] <ogra> hey MOTUs
[03:17] <crimsun_> hey, ogra :)
[03:17] <tritium> Hi ogra :)
[03:19] <doko> hey ogra
[03:19] <ogra> hey doko... have to do some other stuff for 1-2h but then i'll dive back into Cxx :)
[03:23] <siretart> jippie. londonlaw finally got built in breezy! :)
[04:02] <SEBest> Hello masters!
[04:03] <SEBest> I wrote a software, and also did an ubuntu package for it
[04:03] <SEBest> and i'd like to know, what is needed to help him entering in universe
[04:04] <SEBest> it's webpage is there:
[04:04] <SEBest> http://gentoo.ovibes.net/nautilus-share/
[04:04] <SEBest> any advice is welcome!
[04:17] <ogra> SEBest, _you_ are the guy who wrote nautilus-share ???
[04:17] <SEBest> ogra: yes
[04:17] <ogra> great work !
[04:17] <SEBest> thanx :)
[04:18] <ogra> SEBest, i think seb128 in #ubuntu-devel would be intersted to meet you :)
[04:18] <SEBest> ogra: i'm already in contact with him
[04:19] <ogra> yay
[04:19] <SEBest> ogra: we are both french we talked on ubuntu-fr
[04:19] <ogra> we normally put new software on our MOTUNewPackages wiki page for reviews...
[04:20] <SEBest> oki, let me check this page
[04:20] <ogra> but the reviews take quite some time since we are not many people yet, so if you could get a review from seb128 it would speed up a bit i think, he has interest to have it available in ubuntu
[04:22] <SEBest> ogra: oki, i'll add a line in the wiki, and ask seb128 for a review :)
[04:22] <ogra> yeah
[04:26] <SEBest> ogra, should i put the adress of the .deb or of the website where all info about debs are?
[04:27] <ogra> SEBest, put a link to a webdir wher we find the source package on the site
[04:30] <SEBest> ogra: oki i did it.
[04:30] <ogra> great :)
[04:38] <\sh> hmmm...
[04:39] <\sh> is there a possibility to load a new partition layout at runtime? or only after reboot?
[06:01] <\sh> grmpf
[06:01] <\sh> i shot the server and the server doesn't respond anymore *sing*
[06:01] <\sh> i hope the harddrive is not +
[06:01] <\sh> broken
[06:02] <siretart> \sh: http://www.ncc.itgate.net/noc-humour.htm :)
[06:03] <\sh> :))
[06:03] <\sh> i wonder what happend. ping is working...bit the rest not...so i think he hangs somewhere
[06:05] <\sh> we will see...remote hands informed...waiting for call :)
[06:07] <\sh> and funny thing: nmap says: no ports opened..i think this is the most secured server in the world..;-9
[06:08] <SEBest> the most secured server is the one with no network card
[06:09] <SEBest> because you could still exploit a bug in the tcp/ip stack :)
[06:09] <\sh> no ways it's ubuntu ;)
[06:09] <siretart> SEBest: thats hardly a 'server' ;)
[06:09] <SEBest> siretart: but there it's neither a server :)
[06:10] <SEBest> siretart: a server of ping :d
[06:10] <\sh> funny idea behind it, before I rebooted, I had a spare gentoo install on this machine (on the second harddrive) and this install i decided to delete
[06:10] <SEBest> icmp echo reply
[06:11] <SEBest> if it pings, it means it started the boot sequence, it's not looked in a kernel panic or somehting
[06:12] <\sh> but I have sshd etc. in the runlevels
[06:12] <SEBest> no firewall?
[06:12] <\sh> no
[06:12] <jamessan|work> is it waiting for an NFS mount that can't be reached?
[06:13] <\sh> nfs?
[06:13] <\sh> for what shoukld i use nfs :)
[06:13] <SEBest> \sh you should install icmpsh :d
[06:13] <jamessan|work> ok, so it's not that
[06:14] <jamessan|work> I've had servers get stuck in the boot sequence attempting to mount an NFS share.  they weren't remotely accessible since that happens before services like sshd are started
[06:15] <\sh> well..the guy in the DC has to plug a screen...so he can tell me where the machine hangs
[06:15] <SEBest> jamessan, it depends on if you mount them with nolock option or not
[06:18] <\sh> ah remote hands calling
[06:18] <\sh> ready for action
[06:19] <\sh> i need a serial cable for the next time and grub must be enabled for serial output
[06:20] <\sh> and the kernel needs to have serial output possibility as well
[06:20] <SEBest> \sh, or an ip kvm
[06:20] <jamessan|work> SEBest: I'll have to remember that next time I have such a server
[06:22] <\sh> remote insight board ;)
[06:23] <\sh> but it's friday .. so everybody's going out and I have to fight with boot problems
[06:29] <\sh> looks like i have to go to the DC by myself...screen doesn't show anything
[06:54] <dholbach> hellas
[06:54] <dholbach> hey SEBest :-)
[06:55] <dholbach> SEBest: seb128 showed me your NICE share-your-nautilus-stuff-webpage *ROCK*
[06:58] <ogra> dholbach, we already have it on MOTUNewPackages ;)
[06:58] <dholbach> WOW, ROCK!!!
[06:58] <ogra> hehe
[06:58] <jamessan|work> was that one of the Gnome bounties?
[06:59] <SEBest> thanx  dholbach  :)
[07:25] <dholbach> how's the feeling: when will we be done with the C++ transition?
[07:32] <dholbach> doko: what did we decide on ancient g++ build-depends? dropping them?
[07:33] <doko> dholbach: yes, why not
[07:33] <dholbach> ok
[07:33] <doko> mention it in the changelog
[07:33] <dholbach> ok
[07:36] <dholbach> doko: since when are you in debian?
[07:37] <dholbach> do you recall a (internal) distribution name "frozen unstable"?
[07:37] <dholbach> it shows up in the changelog :-)
[07:38] <doko> in the old days uploads to more than one distribuition were allowed
[07:39] <dholbach> oh nice
[07:40] <dholbach> it was 1998 and it talks something about hamm, that's been a while
[07:48] <herve> hello #ubuntu-motu!
[07:48] <dholbach> hellas herve
[07:48] <ogra> hey herve
[07:48] <ogra> your patch didnt work ....
[07:48] <herve> no!
[07:48] <herve> nooooooooo!
[07:48] <herve> too bad :-)
[07:48] <ogra> it couldnt apply at all
[07:49] <herve> erm
[07:49] <herve> silly me... did I reverted the sources beforehand...
[07:51] <herve> dholbach, could you provide me ssh access to an amd64 machine?
[07:51] <dholbach> herve: yes
[08:00] <dholbach> doko: libsigc++ (in universe) doesnt seem to be on the list
[08:01] <dholbach> doko: i add it, ok?
[08:01] <doko> it's old, isn't it? should it go to the morgue?
[08:02] <dholbach> gtkmm uses it (which imho should go to the morgue as well) ;-)
[08:02] <ogra> dholbach, i'm currently working on it...
[08:02] <dholbach> (not gtkm2.{0,4})
[08:02] <dholbach> ogra: which one
[08:02] <ogra> there are some other libs depending on it
[08:02] <ogra> but its on the list...
[08:02] <ogra> wait
[08:03] <dholbach> ogra: which package? gtkmm (source package, universe)?
[08:04] <herve> doko, the debian sync have already been open?
[08:04] <doko> herve: no
[08:04] <herve> there about 30 "auto-installed" packages this afternoon, maybe more
[08:04] <dholbach> don't we sync stuff from debian? i'm quite sure we do
[08:05] <dholbach> that's how we got the MOM bugs :-)
[08:05] <herve> I thought it was blocked during the transition
[08:05] <herve> so I was suprised
[08:06] <herve> and siretart (?) will be happy, londonlaw entered ubuntu :-)
[08:07] <dholbach> yes :-)
[08:07] <ogra> dholbach, sorry, false alert, its libsigcx
[08:07] <dholbach> ok
[08:08] <dholbach> doko: we can' remove gtkmm just like that :-/
[08:09] <dholbach> doko: i'll try building it with a newer libsigc++
[08:09] <siretart> herve: yeah! :)
[08:10] <siretart> but londonlaw is uncritical, it's an arch: any package (python game)
[08:10] <herve> that reminds my I should refreshen and package mine
[08:11] <herve> (refresh... don't pay attention, I'm drunk!)
[08:11] <doko> herve: but no C++ stuff
[08:11] <herve> ha ok
[08:11] <herve> there's a fine blacklist
[08:15] <herve> yo ivoks!
[08:16] <ivoks> herve:
[08:16] <ivoks> hi
[08:16] <ivoks> what's up?
[08:16] <ivoks> i was in austria today
[08:17] <herve> nice
[08:18] <ivoks> i have to work on my german...
[08:18] <ivoks> i forgot lot of words :(
[08:18] <herve> how to say "beer"? :-)
[08:18] <ivoks> hm :)
[08:19] <ivoks> bier
[08:20] <herve> I find strange ubuntu-desktop already pushes OOo 2
[08:20] <herve> sure we're using breezy, but it's not stable enough
[08:21] <ivoks> i don't care..
[08:21] <ivoks> i'm not using office apps
[08:21] <ivoks> :)
[08:22] <herve> hmm... I can't transition tulip, I need other libs to transhumance first
[08:22] <ivoks> i know :)
[08:23] <ivoks> finally!!!!!!
[08:23] <ivoks> ipw2200 supports monitor mode
[08:24] <herve> whichs brings?
[08:25] <ivoks> kismet will work on ipw220 based cards
[08:25] <ivoks> so will airsnort
[08:28] <herve> ok, not really useful for me
[08:28] <ivoks> it is for me :)
[08:36] <ivoks> hm... herve do you know networking? :)
[08:37] <herve> I just want it to work and give me no problem :-)
[08:37] <ivoks> heh... you are blessed :)
[08:38] <herve> I always connect from the same point with my ipw2200
[08:38] <herve> so I don't know the joice of configs, keys, and the like
[08:39] <ivoks> i move my lap between varius networkg
[08:39] <ivoks> networks...
[08:40] <herve> your lap, you sure?
[08:40] <herve> -:)
[08:40] <ivoks> ?
[08:41] <herve> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lap
[08:41] <ivoks> ah...
[08:42] <ivoks> i hate remote reboot :(
[08:43] <ivoks> you newer know is everything going ok... then that tention...
[08:43] <ivoks> and "omg, it should be up by now..."
[08:43] <herve> it's like russian roulette :-)
[08:43] <dholbach> doko: libsigc++ needs to be transitioned
[08:44] <ivoks> uh... it's still not up :(
[08:45] <ivoks> come on.... I don't want to go to the other side of town
[08:45] <herve> ivoks, you're like a parent wondering why his child hasn't come home yet :-)
[08:45] <ivoks> :)
[08:45] <ivoks> herve: well... it's something like that
[08:46] <ivoks> omg...
[08:46] <ivoks> it didn't boot
[08:46] <ivoks> why, god, why me?!
[08:47] <ivoks> herve: that's router for over 300 machines :)
[08:47] <herve> did you updated lilo? :-p
[08:47] <ivoks> i didn't change kernel at all
[08:47] <herve> (update)
[08:47] <herve> fsck?
[08:47] <ivoks> hm...
[08:48] <herve> that was the 30th reboot!
[08:48] <ivoks> could be... he was up for long long time
[08:48] <herve> or 31, depending on the config, anyway
[08:48] <ivoks> but 10 minutes is too mucj
[08:48] <ivoks> man... fu....c.....k....
[08:49] <herve> I saw devices to transfer screen output over the network
[08:49] <ivoks> shit, i have to fix that... no mails, no web of my faculty till then
[08:49] <ivoks> time to go....
[08:49] <ivoks> bye
[08:50] <herve> then the machine just went up...
[08:50] <herve> :-)
[08:51] <herve> yo tritium!
[08:51] <dholbach> tritium: hey michael
[08:51] <tritium> hi herve and dholbach :)
[08:52] <tritium> dholbach, how's the school work coming along?
[08:53] <dholbach> tritium: slowly evolving...
[08:53] <dholbach> tritium: how's yours?
[08:54] <tritium> dholbach, oh, it's got me pretty concerned/stressed
[08:55] <dholbach> tritium: i can absolutely understand...
[08:58] <ivoks> hm...
[08:58] <ivoks> it looks like 161.53.50.2 is down...
[09:00] <doko> dholbach: do you convert libsigc++?
[09:01] <dholbach> doko: it's a HORRIBLE MESS
[09:01] <dholbach> but i take care of it
[09:34] <dholbach> doko: can i please do additional changes to the package?
[09:35] <dholbach> doko: it hurts my eyes... badly
[09:35] <ivoks> :))
[09:35] <dholbach> doko: there's a complete    debian/libsigc++/usr/share/...
[09:37] <dholbach> ok, maybe i'll to a c++ changes only upload and another one ;-)
[09:39] <ogra> dholbach, is this libsigc++-1.2 ?
[09:40] <dholbach> no, libsigc++
[09:40] <dholbach> (source package)
[09:40] <ogra> hrm
[09:40] <dholbach> pourquoi?
[09:41] <ogra> libsigcx uses it
[09:44] <dholbach> so i better get a move on, right?
[09:45] <tseng> what am i suppoised to do with blam
[09:45] <ogra> no, libsigc++-1.2 is already transitioned
[09:45] <ogra> but libsigcx doesnt build....
[09:45] <herve> gaaah! g++ won't let me cast an object to unsigned
[09:46] <herve> let it mind its own business! :-)
[09:46] <dholbach> ah ok, ogra
[09:46] <ogra> tseng, reading feeds ?
[09:46] <tseng> no, c++
[09:47] <herve> I guess an unsigned int is 64-bit long on amd64 and ia64?
[09:48] <ogra> tseng, only waiting helps....
[09:48] <tseng> ok...
[09:49] <tseng> bbl then
[09:49] <siretart> hm. I just found 2 minor bugs in mythtv source package, both causing FTBFS
[09:50] <herve> do you know how to solve it?
[09:51] <siretart> herve: yes, both affect amd64, probably only.
[09:52] <siretart> herve: one is a build dependency, the other one is a wrong compiler flag
[09:52] <siretart> still compiling here, but looking good
[09:52] <herve> I'll happily sponsor your upload if needed
[09:53] <siretart> great :) - but you know, its mdz's baby ;)
[09:53] <herve> I step back then :-)
[09:54] <siretart> lol
[09:54] <dholbach> you can write him an email after you fixed it :-)
[09:56] <siretart> I hope he's not too overworked with breezy, but emails are patient ;)
[09:58] <herve> I quit, C++ hell is out of my skill
[10:00] <ogra> siretart, he shouldnt be overworked since hes on holiday, but he'll have to catch up with a week of mail ;)
[10:01] <dholbach> he's fast at writing mails :-)
[10:01] <ogra> he reads -users mails ;)
[10:02] <siretart> oh. good to know :)
[10:03] <|QuaD-_> how well does hula work? is it buggy?
[10:03] <herve> theorically speaking, of course not :-)
[10:09] <ogra> ../sigcx/tunnel.h:223: error: no matching function for call to 'pack(SigC::Slot1<bool, const std::string&>&, const std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >&)'
[10:09] <herve> and I was complaining!
[10:09] <herve> :-)
[10:09] <ogra> |QuaD-_, i didnt try to mail with it, but when i tested the package it worked well out of the box
[10:15] <|QuaD-_> ogra: nice
[11:17] <\sh> re
[11:17] <herve> yo \sh!
[11:17] <\sh> the server is up and running again...
[11:17] <dholbach> hey \sh
[11:17] <\sh> nice pitfall at least
[11:18] <dholbach> \sh: a really nice blog entry!
[11:18] <\sh> hoo?
[11:18] <dholbach> \sh: thanks :-)
[11:18] <\sh> ah u mean on linux.blogweb.de :)
[11:18] <dholbach> planet.ubuntu.com :-)
[11:19] <\sh> yeah its working and ogras artwork as well...:)
[11:19] <\sh> thx to u guys :)
[11:20] <dholbach> you did it yourself :-)
[11:21] <\sh> :)
[11:21] <\sh> and today i had this supergau ;)
[11:22] <\sh> rebooted the server and hotplug bugged my machine
[11:22] <herve> \sh, looking at your site, you're a trekkie? :-)
[11:23] <\sh> herve: hehe...no not et al but I like the series...but really no hardcore trekkie
[11:24] <herve> nor do I
[11:24] <herve> but I like the humanity in stng
[11:24] <herve> the original series is just by far too ridiculous
[11:24] <dholbach> you have to see it in historic context :-)
[11:25] <herve> sure, I can forgive them :-)
[11:26] <dholbach> chief!
[11:26] <chiefofthejojo1> hi!
[11:26] <dholbach> welcome back! :-)
[11:26] <chiefofthejojo1> :)
[11:26] <chiefofthejojo1> thank you very much
[11:26] <dholbach> :-)
[11:26] <ogra> oh, hi chiefofthejojo1
[11:26] <chiefofthejojo1> hi ogra
[11:27] <chiefofthejojo1> I've been reading up on packaging so that I can try and help with that
[11:27] <dholbach> of course!
[11:28] <dholbach> you don't have to package new packages from scratch, you can rather start fixing existing ones
[11:28] <dholbach> it's much easier
[11:28] <chiefofthejojo1> ohhhh.  ok
[11:28] <chiefofthejojo1> so, is there a list somewhere?
[11:28] <ogra> yep
[11:28] <dholbach> there are lots of bugs on malone, even easy ones, UniverseCxxTransition on the wiki is another big target
[11:29] <chiefofthejojo1> I'm having a little trouble navigating the wiki, I couldn't find the list of packages that need help
[11:29] <chiefofthejojo1> what's malone?
[11:29] <dholbach> and some integrate patches into newer debian versions on bugzilla
[11:29] <dholbach> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[11:29] <chiefofthejojo1> oh
[11:30] <\sh> ok..guys..one puzzle for the evening
[11:30] <chiefofthejojo1> ohhhh, i get it
[11:31] <chiefofthejojo1> what's the puzzle \sh?
[11:32] <\sh> ok..kernel is booting
[11:32] <\sh> hotplug is starting
[11:32] <\sh> and ohci driver is sending to screen: "awake"
[11:32] <\sh> 20-30 times per second
[11:32] <\sh> epox server board , amd cpu
[11:32] <herve> ohci?
[11:33] <herve> it's a usb screen? :-)
[11:33] <chiefofthejojo1> sorry, that's over my head
[11:33] <\sh> over my head as well
[11:33] <\sh> shell is there no problem
[11:34] <\sh> but everything else is not working...eth0 device (realtek) is not communicating with the network nothing
[11:34] <herve> \sh, isn't that the famous inotify mess?
[11:34] <chiefofthejojo1> now, that's strange
[11:35] <\sh> i don't really know..i never saw those strange behaviour
[11:35] <\sh> after I stopped hotplug it was working as expected
[11:36] <chiefofthejojo1> what device are you hotplugging?
[11:37] <herve> \sh, custom kernel?
[11:38] <\sh> no...just plain i386 ubuntu kernel :)
[11:39] <\sh> chiefofthejojo1: officially no one...after my first boot of ubuntu on this server, hotplug wasn't even enabled
[11:40] <chiefofthejojo1> so no device.. this is purely a software error with hotplug?
[11:40] <\sh> chiefofthejojo1: the board itself has uhci and ehci devices on board (normal stuff)
[11:40] <\sh> ohci is i think usb compaq special stuff
[11:41] <herve> \sh, it's the official ubuntu kernel?
[11:41] <\sh> herve: yes
[11:41] <herve> well, I had it too when it happened
[11:41] <herve> but only gamin lost its mind, not the kernel
[11:41] <chiefofthejojo1> oh, ok
[11:41] <\sh> so normally, ohci should be triggered in any way...only in the detect mechanism in the beginning...and normally he should throw away the ohci stuff
[11:42] <Amaranth> herve: the inotify stuff i saw was the 2.6.11 kernel in hoary messing up when GNOME started and hard locking the machine
[11:42] <\sh> i think my colleagues have another board of this in another testing machine...tomorrow i will bug them and ask for it to test it
[11:42] <Amaranth> herve: are you talking about something else?
[11:43] <herve> Amaranth, I was trying to remember
[11:43] <Amaranth> err, none of that stuff would be installed if you booted the installer with the server option
[11:43] <herve> I also remember the kernel wilding printing messages on the console
[11:43] <herve> so it would be at a later occasion...
[11:43] <\sh> Amaranth: I can't use a cd during remote install
[11:45] <\sh> Amaranth: and we should try to change base-config...to have a choice between plain ubuntu-desktop and pure server install
[11:45] <\sh> not only on cd
[11:45] <herve> \sh, you have some "server" option at boot up
[11:45] <Amaranth> herve: not if he didn't use the CD
[11:46] <Amaranth> \sh: wait, you mean you did the debootstrap in a chroot over SSH madness?
[11:46] <herve> okay, it's sign I must go to bed :-)
[11:46] <herve> night all
[11:46] <Amaranth> night herve
[11:47] <\sh> Amaranth: sure...from gentoo via ubuntu debootstrap over ssh ;)
[11:47] <Amaranth> \sh: you're nuts
[11:47] <\sh> Amaranth: it worked
[11:48] <\sh> after 2 hours I transfered all data from gentoo to ubuntu with all services running (ok cyrus imapd package i build from debian experimental)
[11:48] <\sh> apache2, php, mysql,bind,jabberd2 with all transports, and a couple of other things :)
[11:49] <\sh> postfix + smtp auth + ssl/tls + cyrus imapd (ssl/tls) + amavisd-new and AntiVir
[11:49] <\sh> everything is running
[11:50] <dholbach> good night pals, i'm off to bed
[11:53] <chiefofthejojo1> so, what did you do to fix it, \sh? sorry i went away for a bit
[11:56] <ogra> \sh, hotplug != hotplug
[11:57] <chiefofthejojo1> huh?
[11:58] <ogra> \sh, ubuntus hotplug loads the modules for a lot of devices... it has not very much to do with hotplugging, even if it supports hot pluggable devices too
[11:58] <\sh> chiefofthejojo1: as I said: /etc/init.d/hotplug stop
[11:58] <\sh> ogra: it was the ohci driver who went mad
[11:58] <\sh> he wrote on the screen: wakeup
[11:58] <\sh> and this 20 to 30 times per second
[11:58] <ogra> \sh, put it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist then
[11:59] <\sh> ogra: well i don't need hotplug at all ;)
[11:59] <ogra> but dont switch off hotplug completely...
[11:59] <\sh> why not?
[11:59] <\sh> I only need the realtek driver
[11:59] <\sh> 8139too
[11:59] <ogra> udev/hotplug and the kernel are a team....
[11:59] <\sh> grmpf
[11:59] <\sh> so i have to blacklist all modules I don't need
[12:00] <ogra> no, only the ones that autoload...
[12:00] <ogra> .... because the hw is there but you dont want to use it....
[12:01] <ogra> others arent autoloaded because they arent needed...
[12:01] <\sh> ogra: i have 8139too in my /etc/modules
[12:01] <\sh> where r the modules defined which are able to autoload via hotplug?