[12:00] <chet> thats when i click on machine,, as in network, windows network, workgroup name, server
[12:00] <abbot45> can someone tell me why im always getting these Fontconfig error: "local.conf" mismatched tag errors.  they dont really effect anything, but id like to know what the problem is.
[12:00] <Amaranth> Funraiser: He has a shortcut for connecting to a remote server on his desktop, I'm guessing.
[12:00] <hybrid_goth> how do you switch tabs in w3m?
[12:00] <holycow> speaking of window network browsing, does anyone know why browsing a windows network is slow via nautilus/samba, yet i can transfer files faster from to samba than i can windows machines?
[12:00] <Amaranth> Or not.
[12:00] <nikolaus> THX, semg is really good...
[12:00] <chet> Amaranth- its not on my desktop, its in nautilus
[12:00] <Stealth> marios, ive already installed wpa_supplicant, set up the wpa_supplicant.conf, and issude the command to what i think is the way to launch it
[12:01] <Stealth> but i still am not ocnnect online
[12:01] <chet> i can connect using the "connect to server" app, but was just playing with naulius
[12:01] <Stealth> nor does kwifi manager have it as the right network...
[12:01] <marios> stealh...restarted the computer?
[12:01] <Stealth> im on kubuntu btw
[12:01] <Stealth> yup
[12:01] <Stealth> multiple times
[12:01] <Funraiser> Stealth, how do u change the themes on kde?
[12:01] <marios> :(
[12:01] <Stealth> k -> control center
[12:01] <Stealth> appearance and themes
[12:02] <Stealth> style?
[12:02] <Funraiser> Stealth, thanks
[12:02] <Stealth> :)
[12:02] <afroman> Lafitte- I'm back and it didn't work
[12:02] <Lafitte-> afroman,  hrm
[12:02] <chet> Amaranth- any ideas why it think inside nautilus is a desktop config file?
[12:03] <Stealth> hmmm
[12:03] <chet> or anyopne
[12:03] <marios> stealth: are you sure you are trying to reach a valid server
[12:03] <Stealth> ok, after issuing the command to start the wifi stuff i see my network
[12:03] <Stealth> in kwifimanager
[12:03] <Stealth> but how do i connect to it?
[12:03] <Amaranth> chet: Probably because it is a .desktop file. They're used for everything.
[12:03] <marios> click on it
[12:03] <chet> Amaranth- i was assuming after clicking on the file i would get to browse the server
[12:04] <chet> gives me error, saying it is desktop config file
[12:04] <Stealth> it wont work
[12:04] <Stealth> in kwifi it never really did...
[12:04] <Amaranth> chet: The file is corrupt.
[12:04] <Stealth> it only lists em
[12:04] <Stealth> when i click scan
[12:04] <marios> go to configure
[12:04] <Amaranth> chet: I don't know what to do though.
[12:04] <afroman> Lafitte- anymore advice??
[12:04] <chet> Amaranth- thanks anyhow, i can use that other app "connect ot server"
[12:04] <Stealth> settings -> configuration editor?
[12:04] <chet> just thought it was weird
[12:04] <marios> yup
[12:05] <Lafitte-> afroman,  no   sorry
[12:05] <Lafitte-> i was searching google
[12:05] <Stealth> k
[12:05] <Stealth> i see 4 tabs
[12:05] <Stealth> tab 1 is Config 1
[12:06] <Lafitte-> afroman,  this guy has same problem here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7201.html
[12:06] <Stealth> network name it has my network name
[12:06] <Stealth> operation mode managed
[12:06] <afroman> Lafitte- I even took out all modes and left it empty, yet X started anyways
[12:06] <dockane> aehm ... i am a bit : lets say, stuck. ubuntu does not boot x because sda1 mounted as '/' is full. where should i start deleting ? /home is mounted elsewhere
[12:06] <Stealth> which is what i need
[12:06] <Stealth> speed on auto
[12:06] <Stealth> what else do i need?
[12:06] <Stealth> how do i put in my psk?
[12:07] <marios> http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t314663.html
[12:07] <marios> this is for you stealth
[12:07] <Lafitte-> afroman,  your monitor isnt getting probbed correctly is the problem
[12:07] <Ali_Baba> quit
[12:07] <nickrud> dockane, look at /var/tmp, and /var/cache/apt/archives for a start
[12:07] <marios> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27033.html
[12:07] <Lafitte-> afroman,  the page i gav you should fix it
[12:07] <marios> this too :)
[12:07] <marios> @lafitte: you are copying my link :D
[12:07] <marios> just joking :D
[12:08] <dockane> nickrud: deleted /var/cache/apt/archives already .. /var/tmp is another idea thanks
[12:08] <nickrud> dockane, du --max-depth=1 | sort -n will tell you what directories are the biggest
[12:08] <nickrud> dockane, run that in /
[12:09] <marios> stealh, is it ok now?
[12:09] <damfino> i'm trying to download ubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.iso but i keep getting this error: problem connecting to tracker (111, 'connection refused'). any idea?
[12:09] <Stealth> *testing
[12:10] <Lafitte-> afroman,  sudo ddcprobe
[12:10] <Lafitte-> vbe
[12:10] <marios> DaMFINO,what parametars at wget are you using?
[12:10] <damfino> marios: i'm using bittorrent, not wget
[12:11] <zkruw> god damn k3b
[12:11] <zenlunatic> I installed mplayer but its not in my gnome menu nor does $mplayer work. How do I start mplayer?
[12:11] <marios> oh, ok :)
[12:11] <Lafitte-> afroman,  it seems to be your refresh rates  from what i read
[12:11] <zkruw> isnt there another burner software that can burn .img files?
[12:11] <marios> zenlunatic...find the file and start it
[12:11] <Stealth> ok
[12:11] <zenlunatic> marios: What if I want to play a dvd?
[12:12] <Stealth> im getting some failed to initiate AP ?
[12:12] <thotypous> hi
[12:12] <Stealth> No suitable AP found
[12:12] <marios> open the mplayer, and click open :)
[12:12] <dockane> nickrud: biggest fist ( /home /usr /root /proc /lib /var) while /home is mounted on sda6
[12:12] <Stealth> failed to initiate AP scan
[12:12] <dockane> nickrud: *first
[12:12] <marios> but you first found the mplayer executable file and put it into menu
[12:12] <Stealth> and its going in an endless loop!
[12:12] <zenlunatic> marios: But mplayer doesn't open or did you not even read my comment?
[12:13] <marios> I read your comment, dont worry
[12:13] <zenlunatic> marios: Well you haven't helped me learning how to start mplayer.
[12:13] <chet> Amaranth- i can choose which program opens up server in nautilus, but which one?
[12:13] <marios> ok, wait a moment
[12:13] <chet> cause it seems to think the server icon is a desktop cofnig file
[12:14] <marios> zenlunatic: download this all: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/graphics/mplayer-custom
[12:14] <damfino> zenlunatic: did you try gmplayer from an xterm?
[12:14] <laosiano> how can i configure samba to show my shared resources in "web servers"??
[12:15] <dockane> ping
[12:15] <shnazzle> Goldfish : can you tell me the packages I need for that composite stuff again?
[12:15] <dockane> ping
[12:16] <dockane> exit
[12:16] <n00bersc0uper> smart boy
[12:16] <zenlunatic> damfino: Command not found
[12:16] <marios> shnazzle: http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[12:16] <zenlunatic> marios: Too bad im on powerpc.
[12:16] <marios> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/transset/
[12:16] <dockane> sorry
[12:16] <goldfish> shnazzle: transset and xcompmgr
[12:17] <dockane> i am not used to irssi
[12:17] <marios> I am first :D
[12:17] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: whats up? i am on ppc
[12:17] <dockane> nickrud: any reply while i was struggling with irssi
[12:17] <dockane> ?
[12:17] <masoft>  how can I insert a program in gnome when gnome start, it runs ? (something like startup in windows)
[12:17] <will_> ah is there a backport of firefox 1.0.4? if so what is the 'extra' repository i need for apt
[12:17] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth: My mplayer is installed but I can't find a way to start it.
[12:17] <shnazzle> goldfish : cheers
[12:17] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: and mplayer does not work
[12:17] <shnazzle> marios : cheers too :D
[12:17] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth: nope
[12:18] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: did you apt it? or compile from source?
[12:18] <zenlunatic> hybrid_goth: apt
[12:18] <marios> try from source
[12:18] <hybrid_goth> zenlunatic: when it comes to mplayer i never had it working from apt
[12:18] <goldfish> shnazzle: go to www.ubuntuforums.org, search for composite, it's the thread called, how to get your windows looking sweet in hoary.
[12:18] <masoft> really can't anyone help me ???
[12:18] <hybrid_goth> so use the source luke
[12:18] <nickrud> dockane, no, I was away for a bit, a sec or two please
[12:18] <shnazzle> marios : ok cool
[12:19] <marios> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-31061.html
[12:19] <marios> for  zenlunatic
[12:19] <dockane> nickrud, np
[12:19] <hybrid_goth> masoft: if it is like xfce you can say save current session with the app running then when you start up it will be there
[12:19] <marios> http://schwuk.com/entries/96/compiling-mplayer-on-ubuntu-hoary    - this is for mplayer compile from source on ubuntu
[12:20] <masoft> hybrid_goth, it's not ! (KDE is like :D )
[12:20] <lotusleaf> is there a window manager which is text/ANSI based?
[12:20] <marios> yes, ofcoure
[12:20] <marios> command line :D
[12:20] <hybrid_goth> marios: all it is is a ./config make sudo make install
[12:20] <lotusleaf> marios, aside from cmdline ;)
[12:20] <steffenstrobel> lotusleaf: screen
[12:20] <hybrid_goth> lotusleaf: you mean for cli
[12:20] <goldfish> masoft: click computer, there is a menu called sessions somewhere, u can choose startup programs there
[12:20] <marios> @hybrid: I know :)
[12:20] <hybrid_goth> steffenstrobel: screen rules
[12:20] <goldfish> lol
[12:20] <goldfish> screen is sweet :)
[12:21] <steffenstrobel> hybrid_goth: full ack
[12:21] <hybrid_goth> marios: then why the whole link? alil over kill?
[12:21] <nickrud> dockane, I'm not sure why root would be so big, mines about 300k
[12:21] <goldfish> who needs a tabbed terminal when u have screen tbh.
[12:21] <jriche> hey
[12:21] <marios> hybrid: ok, ok, sorry ;)
[12:21] <nickrud> dockane, work calls again :)
[12:21] <zenlunatic> Well I'm using xine now and my video is choppy with dma on.
[12:21] <lotusleaf> I mean a WM that functions like IceWM for example, but uses ascii/ANSI
[12:21] <hybrid_goth> steffenstrobel: ack?
[12:21] <goldfish> hello
[12:21] <will_> is there a backport of firefox 1.0.4? if so what is the 'extra' repository i need for apt
[12:21] <dockane> nickrud: is it a bad idea to delete /usr/share/gnome/doc ?
[12:21] <shnazzle> iss't the special 1.0.2 version for Ubuntu the same as 1.0.4?
[12:22] <steffenstrobel> hybrid_goth: whats your question?
[12:22] <dockane> nickrud: is it a bad idea to delete /usr/share/gnome/help
[12:22] <masoft> goldfish, click computer ? which computer ?
[12:22] <hybrid_goth> steffenstrobel: whhat does ack mean?
[12:22] <goldfish> masoft: the computer menu beside applications?
[12:22] <goldfish> masoft: u in gnome?
[12:22] <marios> will: try this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/printthread.php?t=34099
[12:22] <steffenstrobel> hybrid_goth: acknowledge
[12:22] <masoft> goldfish, yes
[12:22] <shnazzle> hybrid_goth : acknoelwdege
[12:22] <hybrid_goth> ah ty
[12:22] <shnazzle> ..only spelled right
[12:22] <hybrid_goth> lol
[12:22] <goldfish> masoft: you see the menu called "Computer" ?
[12:22] <will_> shnazzle: i think so, but i want to get an extension!
[12:23] <masoft> goldfish, applications and actions available !
[12:23] <shnazzle> will : ah ok. I  was searching the net on it a few days ago and the conclusion was to not do it...
[12:23] <goldfish> hrmmm...
[12:23] <laosiano> anybody knows how can i browse my shared resources on samba??
[12:23] <shnazzle> will : so as a good noob...I listen
[12:24] <Flipke> hola a todos
[12:24] <laosiano> hola
[12:24] <Flipke> tengo un problema serio, alguien me puede ayudar?
[12:24] <goldfish> masoft: try look in actions menu
[12:24] <laosiano> pregunta
[12:24] <marios> LAOUSINO: http://compnetworking.about.com/library/weekly/aa062499.htm    http://www.chinalinuxpub.com/doc/www.siliconvalleyccie.com/linux-hn/samba-shares.htm
[12:24] <will_> shnazzle:well, i will just wait then, not that this machine is mission critical or anything...
[12:24] <marios> http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/2047/1/
[12:25] <marios> this is for samba too :)
[12:25] <fluxed> .
[12:25] <masoft> goldfish, it's run, search, recent, ... no computer !
[12:25] <jriche> hi
[12:25] <goldfish> masoft: ok hold on
[12:26] <juan__> hui
[12:26] <goldfish> masoft: im not using gnome
[12:26] <juan__> hi
[12:26] <htaccess> is there somewhere onlin i can search ubuntu packages like with debian at: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
[12:26] <lotusleaf> htaccess, use google and search the ubuntu archive ;)
[12:27] <hans_> is there a good ftp program with a frontend?
[12:27] <jriche> gftp
[12:27] <jriche> there must be a million more
[12:27] <lotusleaf> htaccess, using the site:url feature with your keywords
[12:27] <marios> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[12:27] <marios> for htacces
[12:27] <htaccess> thanks guys looking at the archive link now
[12:27] <hans_> sorry my bad i meant a ftp server prog with a frontend
[12:27] <dockane> do i neccessarly need python2.4 ?
[12:28] <jazzka> hi!
[12:28] <marios> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[12:28] <^thehatsrule^> lo hans_ :P
[12:28] <morgan> hi
[12:28] <morgan> ciao a tutti
[12:28] <^thehatsrule^> cya
[12:29] <penticlex> I am a little new so I have a dumb question
[12:29] <marios> ok
[12:29] <marios> shoot
[12:29] <marios> no question is dumb ;)
[12:29] <penticlex> how do I change my xserver settings
[12:29] <shnazzle> Ok I REALLY need to get to work now (real work). Thanks all. later
[12:29] <_seth> Later guys. Off to my grandmothers 59th birthday.
[12:29] <marios> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21984.html
[12:29] <penticlex> I can do it in mandrake but I never wanted to tryu in any other distro
[12:29] <marios> for penticlex
[12:29] <_seth> Did I mention I'm brining my laptop because she wants me to teach her some Linux?
[12:30] <morgan> Fuck
[12:30] <jazzka> gnome 2.10 and the desktop icons are not well placed :(
[12:30] <morgan> God Suck
[12:30] <morgan> poretfjgjfigjfkjrwlkejflgjrtjw
[12:30] <morgan> gjkfjajldfjwlkjlkjflkjdljlf
[12:30] <_seth> Later all.
[12:30] <morgan> jkjjdpiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitug
[12:30] <morgan> porco dio
[12:30] <morgan> Siete tutti dei figli di puttana
[12:30] <LinuxJones> morgan, please stop spamming the channel
[12:30] <morgan> Motherfucker
[12:30] <marios> true
[12:30] <morgan> dspoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooga
[12:30] <marios> STOP IT
[12:31] <hybrid_goth>  /ignore anyone?
[12:31] <morgan> bastard
[12:31] <^thehatsrule^> Added *!*morgan@213-140-22-64.fastres.net to ignore list
[12:31] <morgan> eat shit
[12:31] <marios> or the mighty bird of lightning will strike you with it's powerful anti spam algorithms :)
[12:31] <marios> or the mighty bird of lightning will strike you with it's powerful anti spam algorithms :)
[12:31] <marios> STOP IT
[12:31] <marios> or the mighty bird of lightning will strike you with it's powerful anti spam algorithms :)
[12:31] <StR> anyone with ubuntu??   having the same problem with the font server?
[12:31] <penticlex> I meand reconfigure my display drivers sory
[12:31] <morgan> bye sons of bitches
[12:31] <damfino> morgan: ciao coglione
[12:31] <lotusleaf> o_O
[12:32] <hybrid_goth> marios: dont feed the trolls
[12:32] <marios> :)
[12:32] <marios> @penticlex: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:32] <dockane> how do i resize '/' (mounted on /dev/sda1) ... x is not booting anymore
[12:32] <hybrid_goth> we need that in our topic like in #gentoo
[12:32] <^thehatsrule^> StR: fontconfig?
[12:32] <factorx> ne
[12:33] <marios> I am not familiar how people are here, because I am here since few days, so I dont know :)
[12:33] <hybrid_goth> marios: heh np
[12:33] <masoft> goldfish, I found sessions conf.
[12:33] <marios> morgan is some troll, you say?
[12:33] <marios> ok :)
[12:34] <hybrid_goth> troll spammer same different
[12:34] <^thehatsrule^> hans_, if you will, search google, but i know theres gproftpd for proftpd :P
[12:34] <goldfish> masoft: ok, u ok editing it manually?
[12:34] <marios> ok
[12:34] <marios> thanks for explanation :)
[12:34] <hybrid_goth> np
[12:34] <hans_> thx
[12:34] <chet> oh no, i installed gtkwifi and now it broke my wireless connection
[12:34] <masoft> goldfish, it's ok :D thx for ur help . going to test ;)
[12:35] <chet> is there any way to uninstall gtkwifi?
[12:35] <hybrid_goth> marios: we are for humanity so anyone tryin to dismember that would be a troll :D
[12:35] <goldfish> masoft: good luck :)
[12:35] <lotusleaf> hybrid_goth, or a m$ butterfly
[12:35] <hybrid_goth> marios: we try to go by the code of conduct if at all possible
[12:35] <factorx> iam totlly drunk
[12:35] <penticlex> thanks
[12:35] <lotusleaf> from the rectum of redmond
[12:35] <dockane> could somebody please check if 526 MB is similiar to your /root/.gimp ?
[12:35] <hybrid_goth> lotusleaf: that would be someone dismembering humaity :P
[12:35] <tekk> can someone help me out really quick?
[12:35] <lotusleaf> hybrid_goth, ;)
[12:36] <hybrid_goth> lotusleaf: redmond had an expanded rectum
[12:36] <penticlex> so sudo is the package manager in ubuntu?
[12:36] <^thehatsrule^> NO
[12:36] <hybrid_goth> penticlex: 0_o
[12:36] <^thehatsrule^> it gives you root access
[12:36] <factorx> i gotta vomit
[12:36] <hybrid_goth> penticlex: apt is the package manager
[12:36] <nickrud> dockane, don't delete those :)
[12:36] <^thehatsrule^> and ubuntu is based on debian, so its apt
[12:37] <marios> please don't mention RED MAND ;)
[12:37] <dockane> nickrud: did not even thought of ;)
[12:37] <nevyn> apt isn't the package manager dpkg is ;)
[12:37] <hybrid_goth> lol
[12:37] <tekk> how do i untar a file via command line?
[12:37] <dockane> nickrud but is that size normal ?
[12:37] <penticlex> oops du I should have actualy read the command
[12:37] <hybrid_goth> well apt is advanced package tool
[12:37] <lotusleaf> penticlex, an interesting philosophical conclusion. We are all packages, and can be scanned like a bag of peas at the supermarket, identity wise.
[12:37] <^thehatsrule^> lol, well apt is the system then
[12:37] <hybrid_goth> tekk tar
[12:37] <nickrud> dockane, now why do you even have a .gimp in /root ;P
[12:37] <nevyn> synaptic (the thing you run) is a frontend for apt... which is a frontend for dpkg
[12:37] <^thehatsrule^> tar zxvf file.tar.gz
[12:37] <dockane> nickrud: good question do not know
[12:37] <hybrid_goth> tekk: tgz is tar -xvvzf
[12:38] <chet> if i installed gtkwifi via py script, hwo do i unistall?
[12:38] <hybrid_goth> tar -xvjf for tar.bz2
[12:38] <chet> or get it to stop running at boot
[12:38] <nickrud> dockane, it would be there only if you'd run gimp as root
[12:38] <marios> @nickrud: if you hold a gimp in root then you get a super copper prize :D just joking :)
[12:38] <yakk> hey happy people
[12:38] <nickrud> dockane, so, yeah, you can delete that, and probably a lot more in /root
[12:38] <marios> hello yakk
[12:38] <hybrid_goth> yakk: hi
[12:38] <yakk> so, I'm using breezy
[12:39] <yakk> (cue laughter)
[12:39] <yakk> and all my keybindings in all my gtk/gnome apps seem totally screwed
[12:39] <dockane> nickrud: sure to delete /root/.gimp ?
[12:39] <yakk> even logging into a fresh user accound does this
[12:40] <yakk> has anyone else seen this or have suggestions about what do downgrade to make it go away?
[12:40] <hybrid_goth> yakk: heh try to report a bug hehehehe
[12:40] <nevyn> ummm.. why are you running gimp as root?
[12:40] <CarlK> yakk - pretty sure I saw a bugzilla about this, but you should check ;)
[12:40] <yakk> CarlK, thanks
[12:40] <nickrud> dockane, have you logged  into gdm with a root account at some time?
[12:40] <yakk> CarlK, any idea what component?
[12:40] <nickrud> dockane, I use gimp a lot, but only as a user.
[12:40] <hybrid_goth> yakk: you wont downgrade you would reinstall or remove packages
[12:41] <marios> does anybody want to help me in writing a book about Ubuntu Linux?
[12:41] <yakk> hybrid_goth, at this point I don't care - I just want ctrl-shift-tab to not close my gnome-terminal windows :)
[12:41] <fluxed> .
[12:41] <n00bersc0uper> ha ha
[12:41] <BoD_SWAT>  hi all. I'm trying to install vsftpd (I already installed openssl). Yet when I'm trying to make vsftpd I get "ssl.c:27: openssl/err.h: No such file or directory,ssl.c:28: openssl/rand.h:, No such file or directory, ssl.c:29: openssl/bio.h: No such file or directory" Anyone?
[12:41] <dockane> nickrud: it is possible that it happened that in my last xsession i started gimp as root
[12:41] <hybrid_goth> yakk: better reinstall then
[12:41] <nickrud> http://pastebin.com/286759 dockane, that's my root directory
[12:42] <tekk> thanks
[12:42] <factorx> what time is it over there?
[12:42] <yakk> hybrid_goth, well, I don't really feel like that
[12:42] <dockane> nickrud: i cant copy and paste in console mode from irssi to lynx sorry
[12:43] <hybrid_goth> yakk: but you dont care
[12:43] <factorx> dockane, use gpm, and you can ;)
[12:43] <jriche>   pivot_root no such file or directory -- /sbin/init/: 429: cannot open dev/console: no such file -- Kernel Panic: Attempted to kill init!
[12:43] <hybrid_goth> yakk: you cant remove packages b/c that uses typing
[12:43] <jriche> is there a common solutoin to this common problem ^?
[12:43] <hybrid_goth> and is rather drawn out
[12:43] <nickrud> dockane, yeah, gpm good
[12:43] <dockane> nickkrud factorx: will take a look
[12:43] <Kira> Hi all.
[12:43] <dockane> thnx
[12:43] <marios> hello kira
[12:43] <Kira> I'm trying to install the official nVidia drivers.
[12:44] <marios> and, what's the problem?
[12:44] <Kira> It tells me I need to exit X server.
[12:44] <dockane> nickrud: just to be sure, i am going to move /root/.gimp to /home since i mounted that on sda6 and there is enough space
[12:44] <factorx> beer is very nice!!!
[12:44] <factorx> !!!!
[12:44] <Kira> I vaguely remember it has to do with runlevel, but I completely forgot how to do it.
[12:44] <CarlK> yakk - nm, someone was having trouble with eveloutin and ^X, not even sure if it was breezy, and I bet they didn't file a bug
[12:44] <jriche>   pivot_root no such file or directory -- /sbin/init/: 429: cannot open dev/console: no such file -- Kernel Panic: Attempted to kill init!  ------------------------ is there a solution to this common problem?
[12:44] <nickrud> dockane, that's 'known good practice' ;)
[12:44] <CarlK> Kira - there are nv drivers in synaptic, but...
[12:44] <goldfish> Ok....
[12:44] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: wow gpm is nice
[12:45] <Kira> CarlK - but... ?
[12:45] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, yeah, but now you need to alter xorg.conf
[12:45] <marios> @kira: http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t306244.html
[12:45] <hybrid_goth> why?
[12:45] <CarlK> Kira - I hear some people have problems, so get the live CD, install nvidia-glx in synaptic, run the script it tells you, hit Ctr-Alt-BackSpace
[12:45] <yakk> CarlK, this is across all my apps :(
[12:45] <blueyed> gdm
[12:45] <marios> kira: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:45] <blueyed> ups..
[12:45] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, point the mouse at /dev/gpmdata, x and gpm can fight over the mouse sometimes otherwise
[12:45] <CarlK> Kira - and see how things work
[12:45] <chet> can someone tell me how to make a program not run st atartup?
[12:46] <goldfish> chet: what is it?
[12:46] <dockane> done ... wish me good luck
[12:46] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: now what do i do?
[12:46] <CarlK> Kira - if all goes well, then do the same thing in your install, if not, report a bug
[12:46] <chet> i installed some app, gtkwifi
[12:46] <chet> via a py script
[12:46] <jriche> anybody?
[12:46] <goldfish> chet: is it in /etc/init.d/ ?
[12:46] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, ?
[12:46] <Kira> aaaah
[12:46] <goldfish> Ok it appears i was asking the wrong question....
[12:47] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, you mean how to alter xorg.conf?
[12:47] <yakk> aha https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10942
[12:47] <Kira> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace!
[12:47] <htaccess> is the pinning suggestion at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.7453904394 recomended?
[12:47] <goldfish> Can u resize an ext3 partition w/out losing data?
[12:47] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: yes
[12:47] <chet> goldfish- no
[12:47] <goldfish> damn.
[12:47] <dockane> nickrud: thank you for your help
[12:47] <CarlK> Kira - I have isntalled nv-glx on at least 3 boxes, no problems
[12:48] <dockane> nickrud: was it gdm what i should have checked out ?
[12:48] <nickrud> dockane, gpm
[12:48] <Jeezis> is there a way to compress data on a drive in ubuntu?
[12:48] <CarlK> Kira - also, I dont even know if is the nv-glx package that is causing the problems I have heard of - might be people trying to do things the hard way ;0
[12:48] <hybrid_goth> tar?
[12:48] <chet> goldfish- im looking at py script now
[12:48] <yakk> is there an ubuntu equivalent of snapshot.debian.net
[12:48] <dockane> thnx
[12:48] <hybrid_goth> yakk: breezy
[12:49] <hybrid_goth> and apt-get update and upgrade every night
[12:49] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, in xorg.conf, under configured mouse, change device to /dev/gpmdata
[12:49] <hybrid_goth> ok
[12:49] <yakk> hybrid_goth, snapshot.debian.net has all the packages ever released so you can sync to a particular, known-working time
[12:49] <hybrid_goth> yakk: oh i was thinkin of snapshot like nightly builds
[12:49] <yakk> nope
[12:50] <yakk> that would be experimental
[12:51] <hybrid_goth> yakk: well so someware use snapshots as nightyly builds or experimental as you say
[12:51] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: where is xorg.conf?
[12:51] <htaccess> is there a url for howto add univers to my apt.sources?
[12:51] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, /etc/X11
[12:51] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, locate xorg.conf
[12:51] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[12:52] <marios> a
[12:52] <marios> htacces:google it
[12:52] <zenrox> htaccess,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for how to add repos
[12:52] <nickrud> htaccess, google for ubuntu restricted formats
[12:53] <htaccess> its ok its in the sources.list
[12:54] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: do i source the file after that
[12:54] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, no, you'll need to log out and back in for X to reread xorg.conf
[12:54] <hybrid_goth> ok
[12:54] <hybrid_goth> not in x anyway
[12:55] <marios> good night
[12:55] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, heh
[12:55] <marios> see you tommorow
[12:55] <George__> hi Can't open configuration file /home/stephen/.transgaming/config
[12:55] <George__>  i get this error
[12:55] <hybrid_goth> marios: g'nite
[12:55] <George__> how must i fix? been remoing cedega reading on forums and google my arse off
[12:56] <hybrid_goth> George__: what error
[12:56] <George__> Can't open configuration file /home/stephen/.transgaming/config
[12:56] <hybrid_goth> George__: is it there for sure
[12:56] <George__> no it's not
[12:56] <George__> I needa make 1
[12:57] <hybrid_goth> George__: ok why are you opening it?
[12:57] <George__> i'm not
[12:57] <buddha> hello
[12:57] <hybrid_goth> George__: nano ~/.transgamong/config/ should work
[12:57] <sd> middle-click works for links but not for scrolling in firefox :(
[12:57] <sd> i have an intellimouse 1.1
[12:57] <George__> what i put in it?
[12:57] <sd> i followed the guide on the ubuntuforums
[12:57] <hybrid_goth> George__: what needs to be there?
[12:58] <George__> i guessing the cedega config
[12:58] <hybrid_goth> George__: well i guess that
[12:58] <hybrid_goth> **cadega
[12:58] <subbie> i was wondering if somebody could tell me why ubuntu asks me to put in a CD everytime i try to use apt-get
[12:58] <nickrud> sd, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, you should have a ZAxisMapping line under configured mouse, see if it's there
[12:58] <buddha> is it possible to install ubuntu from my hard drive, or do I have to burn a cd and boot from the cd-rom?
[12:58] <subbie> i checked /etc/apt/sources.list and it has all online sources listed.  but it asks me for a cd anytime i try to install
[12:59] <hybrid_goth> subbie: b/c it is in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:59] <subbie> hybrid_goth: i checked and i didn't see it there
[12:59] <subbie> hybrid_goth: i even did apt-get update to be sure
[12:59] <subbie> hybrid_goth: oh im sorry, i see it now, you are right i just overlooked it.  much thanks
[12:59] <hybrid_goth> subbie: it isnt? it would be at the top
[12:59] <hybrid_goth> np
[01:01] <omV0> i'm reading a howto document and it says "In Synaptic, go: Settings>Repositories>select: New" but i don't have 'New' and i'm wondering why...
[01:01] <omV0> i have "Add" but it's not letting me add any new repositories for some reason
[01:01] <IIIEars> buddha - good question! - Can i install from my USB drive?
[01:01] <hybrid_goth> omV0: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:02] <omV0> thanks hybrid_goth!!
[01:02] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: if the iso permits and you mobo lets you boot from usb
[01:02] <hybrid_goth> omV0: np
[01:02] <IIIEars> Ye-es! - grin
[01:02] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: so yes if your bios is new enuff to support usb boot
[01:03] <IIIEars> If i have an iso i copy that to the first partition and make that partition bootable?
[01:03] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: what are you installing
[01:03] <IIIEars> do i dd copy the iso image to disk?
[01:04] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: yes
[01:04] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: what are you installing
[01:04] <IIIEars> Ubuntu installed from an external USB drive?
[01:05] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: oh yes no partition needed ubuntu has an partitioner just have your bios set to boot from usb first then it should start up
[01:05] <mgorbach> can someone help me out with a linux boot issue?
[01:05] <mgorbach> im trying to boot linux with ntldr, and im getting an error: can not find hal.dll
[01:06] <IIIEars> okay - write the iso image dd to vfat on the first parttion and make the first partition bootable?
[01:06] <mgorbach> anyone know wh this is hapenning?
[01:06] <mgorbach> yeah iv transfered the image to my windows partition
[01:06] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: no need to make another partition ubuntu can do that
[01:06] <mgorbach> the first time i did it it gave me can not find hall.dll
[01:06] <mgorbach> when i tried the dd command again and transfered the new file, it gave me 5 or 6 nonsense characters
[01:07] <mgorbach> and froze
[01:07] <IIIEars> If the iso is only image in USB root it will mount it?
[01:07] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: you should be able to put the iso on the usb drive boot from it and it will install to the harddrive just like a floppie or cdd
[01:07] <hybrid_goth> **cd
[01:07] <buddha> yikes!!!... seen someting on TV that really freaked me out!!!
[01:08] <IIIEars> That sounds dead simple. - got to try it.
[01:08] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: yes it is just like booting from a usb cdrom
[01:08] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: the computer wont know the differnce
[01:08] <IIIEars> Can i have the time back i spent doing it the other way? - lol
[01:09] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, do you know if anyone does that with the live cd?
[01:09] <buddha> will ubuntu run on a pentium166 ?
[01:09] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: yea go asl god
[01:09] <IIIEars> lol
[01:09] <Ironfrost> hi all - I just started having a really weird video problem
[01:09] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: theoraticly it is possible
[01:09] <mjr> buddha, well, maybe not run, but walk :)
[01:09] <mgorbach> how do i know what partition to put in the dd command?
[01:09] <buddha> LOL
[01:09] <Ironfrost> since a few minutes ago, whenever I try to play a video, it just comes up as a blank blue square
[01:09] <Ironfrost> in Xine, Totem, Mplayer etc
[01:10] <Ironfrost> I haven't installed anything new
[01:10] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: you could prolly do it if you had the bios set but idk would be a nice trick
[01:10] <buddha> I wnt to install it on my celeron700, my p2 450, and my p166
[01:10] <K_Dallas> I am wondering by having the following lines in my dsl-provider, why am i still getting disconnected on inactive applications (the active ones like xchat remain connected) any hhelp or clue would be highly appreciated, thanks
[01:10] <IIIEars> hybridgoth - Do you have a fan club? - you do know. - grin
[01:10] <buddha> I use the p166 for ham radio stuff
[01:10] <mgorbach> how do i know what partition to put in the dd command?
[01:10] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: heh
[01:10] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, it's almost enough to make my buy a 1G stick to boggle my friends :)
[01:10] <K_Dallas> connect /bin/true,        noauth,          persist,    mtu 1492
[01:11] <Ironfrost> to fix it in Mplayer, I can change the video driver to X11 instead of X11/xv
[01:11] <Ironfrost> does anyone know about such problems?
[01:11] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: yea it sounds tempting
[01:11] <spo0nman> http://spo0nman.blogspot.com/2005/05/oh-mama.html
[01:11] <spo0nman> sorry!
[01:11] <spo0nman> wrong window
[01:11] <buddha> I dont have a cd burner, it it possible to install from a hard drive?
[01:12] <hybrid_goth> buddha: there maybe a netinstall
[01:12] <hybrid_goth> buddha: i dont think there is tho
[01:13] <IIIEars> going to add a few apps and then mkisof  - Ubuntu linux is amazingly powerful
[01:13] <hybrid_goth> could try floppies if you still have a floppie drive
[01:13] <hybrid_goth> heh
[01:13] <buddha> I have 2 hard drives, can it be done from one to the other?
[01:13] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: the command line is awesome
[01:13] <hybrid_goth> buddha: maybe a copy or raid
[01:14] <hybrid_goth> buddha: a raid could prolly do it nicely
[01:14] <buddha> I dont have a raid config
[01:14] <vicks> hi! can anyone tell me where modelines are configured?
[01:14] <buddha> this computer is CHEAP and about 5 yrs old
[01:15] <hybrid_goth> buddha: yea but you can prolly configure it now thru software
[01:15] <IIIEars> buddha - partimage works pretty well from on hdd to another - dd always works
[01:15] <hybrid_goth> someone was askin earlier about software raidin
[01:15] <nickrud> buddha, you can order disks, http://shipit.ubuntu.com/   free, including shipping
[01:15] <tombs> hi ppl
[01:15] <Tron|BoRG> hi tombs !
[01:15] <mgorbach> how do i know what partition to put in the dd command?
[01:16] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: yea didnt think of that
[01:16] <buddha> yah... how long does it take to ship, Im moving in a couple of weeks
[01:16] <tombs> Tron|Borg:   :-)
[01:16] <hybrid_goth> buddha: wait till you move
[01:16] <nickrud> buddha, mine took about six
[01:16] <IIIEars> I think M$ is going to have trouble competing with FREE!
[01:16] <buddha> OUTCH!!
[01:16] <buddha> I would rather download
[01:16] <buddha> its quicker
[01:17] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: i think service pack 3 code named longhorn is goin to be hard to compete with linux
[01:17] <hybrid_goth> buddha: they have a high dommand right now
[01:17] <nickrud> buddha, I've heard rumors about people using woody boot floppies to get to sarge and from there to ubuntu, but don't quote me on this
[01:17] <buddha> floppies!!!!
[01:17] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: cuz they are cuttin features like win me and linux will kill it
[01:18] <IIIEars> Longhorn - Sigh - going to be another "secure" hackers paradise.
[01:18] <hybrid_goth> buddha: i said use floppies
[01:18] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: heh
[01:18] <nickrud> buddha, yeah, two 1.4 floppies.  That's how I got debian unstable years ago
[01:18] <buddha> I dont have 500 floppies!
[01:18] <hybrid_goth> buddha: you get the bare neccesities the d/l with floppies
[01:18] <nickrud> buddha, that's two count
[01:19] <buddha> I had a cd burner
[01:19] <flex_> anyone know howto eject the cd during an install with more than one cd
[01:19] <hybrid_goth> o_0
[01:19] <mjr> buddha, probably easiest to temporarily hook up a cd drive to the old box (or do the install with the hd moved to another box)
[01:19] <hybrid_goth> buddha: why did you get rid of it
[01:19] <IIIEars> 500 floppies would be something to see. - don't misplace one under a coffee cup.
[01:20] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: or get it in the wrong order
[01:20] <buddha> but it got broke..... making a copy if freeBSD, I was drunk, went to put a blank cd in the tray, fell on it and broke the tray off :(
[01:21] <IIIEars> wrong order? - can't happen. - 1-100 = Monday, 101-200, Tuesday, etc - lol
[01:21] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: where did you hear about the sarge ubuntu thing
[01:21] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: heh
[01:21] <hybrid_goth> buddha: heh
[01:21] <buddha> I had a little too mutch vodka that day
[01:22] <hybrid_goth> lolo
[01:22] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, here, or on the maillist, and I can't really remember if it was someone asking about it, or saying they'd done it. I'd just point the sources.list at ubuntu after the base woody install, and see what happens.
[01:22] <IIIEars> Good excuse to get a new double density DVD+R/W
[01:22] <buddha> LOL
[01:23] <nickrud> probably watch everyting break :)
[01:23] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: me too thats what i was going to do cuz i had a sarge iso
[01:23] <hybrid_goth> lol
[01:23] <Tron|BoRG> buddha: hahahahaha
[01:24] <nickrud> buddha, look for one of those new-fangled ones without a tray, next time :)
[01:24] <hybrid_goth> lol
[01:24] <Tron|BoRG> I say you rethink your drunken disorders before something bad happens :D
[01:24] <buddha> I never seen a slot load cd burner, except on an i-mac
[01:24] <hybrid_goth> what is a normal lag time in irc
[01:25] <hybrid_goth> buddha: hence get a mac
[01:25] <hybrid_goth> :P
[01:25] <buddha> I dont drink verry often, it was new years eve when I broke my cd burner
[01:25] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: if you put linux on it you will have to wait a while for wifi drivers
[01:25] <Tron|BoRG> hehe
[01:26] <Tron|BoRG> *is
[01:26] <hybrid_goth> a true geek burning freebsd on new years
[01:26] <nickrud> buddha, cd breaking beats any other new years eve breakage, I think ;)
[01:26] <buddha> LOL
[01:26] <hybrid_goth> lol
[01:27] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, no wifi, at all?
[01:27] <buddha> I wish my friend would have waited til I sobered up to make him a copy freeBSD!
[01:27] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: nope they are software modems the airport extreme but this ibook with juss airport works ootb
[01:27] <hybrid_goth> buddha: heh
[01:27] <buddha> then I would still have my cd burner
[01:28] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: but they are in the works for drivers so says nalioth
[01:28] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, I had to wait quite a while for reliable usb on linux, this is nothing new
[01:28] <buddha> im going to be getting a dell inspiron 1200 laptop, any chance of ubuntu running on that?
[01:29] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: heh
[01:29] <hybrid_goth> yea
[01:29] <buddha> it will have a cd burner so I can dl it
[01:29] <hybrid_goth> lol
[01:31] <hybrid_goth> brb FOOD!
[01:31] <buddha> do webcams work in linux
[01:31] <mjr> buddha, some do, some don't
[01:31] <nickrud> buddha, some better than others
[01:31] <buddha> I have a logitech cam
[01:32] <yakk> buddha, google for the model & linux
[01:32] <buddha> ok
[01:32] <yakk> buddha, some you need a special driver
[01:33] <flex_> is there a way to get back\forward buttons in the file manager for gnome
[01:33] <count0nz> buddha, what webcam out of intrest?
[01:33] <Amaranth> you want browser mode instead of spatial mode?
[01:33] <Dittohead> flex_, Goto Edit->Preferences
[01:33] <buddha> Logitech QuickCam IM
[01:33] <flex_> and turn off that mp3 preview when the mouse is over mp3
[01:33] <yakk> flex_, yes - you can edit the gconf setting...
[01:33] <Dittohead> flex_, In the behavoiour tab click "always open in browser windows"
[01:33] <flex_> gconf setting?
[01:33] <dell500> howdy
[01:34] <count0nz> I have a Logitech quickcam express (USB) works to a point
[01:34] <Dittohead> yakk, The preferences dialog is easier :)
[01:34] <count0nz> i have to tweek settings
[01:34] <yakk> oh, its there now - okay
[01:34] <count0nz> must type up a howto to get it working
[01:34] <buddha> mine is the next step up from the express
[01:34] <yakk> I like spatial, personally, but I'm an old mac user
[01:34] <count0nz> oh has a mic right
[01:35] <nickrud> Spacial is very nice, especially from the keyboard
[01:35] <buddha> no mic
[01:35] <Tron|BoRG> yo, does anyone know how to open fstab and edit fstab?
[01:35] <count0nz> oh ok....
[01:35] <buddha> 640x480 res
[01:35] <Tron|BoRG> it just opens readonly
[01:36] <nickrud> but this 6 month cycle, I get to know where everything is, then it changes.
[01:36] <goldfish> Tron|BoRG: did you use sudo when opening?
[01:36] <buddha> winamp crashed
[01:36] <Tron|BoRG> uhm, no - i ran it from nautilus
[01:36] <Tron|BoRG> could you tell me the command to open it with shell?
[01:37] <dell500> is there a visualizer that works with xmms and is crazy like Milkdrop (winamp)?
[01:37] <count0nz> ok....
[01:37] <goldfish> Tron|BoRG: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[01:37] <Tron|BoRG> great
[01:37] <anner_nwm> HELP! wheres the site for java???
[01:37] <Tron|BoRG> thanks
[01:37] <buddha> I HATE windows...... there goes yahoo messanger! crash ceash!!!
[01:38] <count0nz> buddha, you need to apt-get source qc-usb-source
[01:38] <count0nz> theres a qce-source but i cauldent get it to compile
[01:39] <Tron|BoRG> goldfish: much appreciated :D
[01:39] <MonkeyBonkey> yo
[01:39] <anner_nwm> hello...
[01:39] <MonkeyBonkey> i have a ?
[01:39] <count0nz> lol i am useing yahoo in unix not a prob here
[01:39] <MonkeyBonkey> I just got the latest release of ubuntu, what are the system reqirements?
[01:40] <buddha> yeah... first winamp, then yahoo, now whats next
[01:40] <count0nz> buddha, you will been a few extra ask in here later but try qc-usb-source
[01:40] <count0nz> it may work
[01:41] <buddha> ok
[01:41] <MonkeyBonkey> I just got the latest release of ubuntu, what are the system reqirements?
[01:41] <buddha> ill try that on my other comp
[01:41] <MonkeyBonkey> I just got the latest release of ubuntu, what are the system reqirements?
[01:41] <hybrid_goth> back
[01:42] <count0nz> buddha,  USB Quickcam Video Camera driver
[01:42] <count0nz>  Supports Logitech Quickcam Express
[01:42] <count0nz> so shuld work for you too
[01:42] <MonkeyBonkey> I just got the latest release of ubuntu, what are the system reqirements?
[01:42] <MonkeyBonkey> I just got the latest release of ubuntu, what are the system reqirements?
[01:42] <buddha> ok
[01:42] <MonkeyBonkey> I just got the latest release of ubuntu, what are the system reqirements?
[01:42] <MonkeyBonkey> I just got the latest release of ubuntu, what are the system reqirements?
[01:42] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, pentium II 500 and above will work, you want 256M mem, and at least 6GB disk to experiment with
[01:42] <MonkeyBonkey> k
[01:42] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, and be patient, we're not paid
[01:42] <hybrid_goth> he
[01:42] <MonkeyBonkey> ill try my, 266mHz p2 , 128mb ram comp
[01:42] <buddha> my p2 450 is running freBSD, on 64MB ram!
[01:42] <count0nz> MonkeyBonkey, shuld run on allmost anything with decent hardware
[01:42] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: yea and we dont get ops
[01:42] <hybrid_goth> lol
[01:43] <count0nz> MonkeyBonkey, it will run
[01:43] <Dittohead> count0nz, define "decent" ;)
[01:43] <count0nz> bit slow but run :)
[01:43] <MonkeyBonkey> thats my crap comp
[01:43] <nobile> hello, I want to dl an ftp client, http://gftp.seul.org/  this one I found, it is good? can it work with ubuntu?
[01:43] <nickrud> it will run on a 166 pentium, if you tune it
[01:43] <count0nz> P2-266 256meg ram is decent
[01:43] <MonkeyBonkey> but on my crap comp i only have 2Gb of space
[01:43] <_hp_> i ran windows XP on a 486 one time
[01:43] <MonkeyBonkey> could that run it
[01:43] <hybrid_goth> nobile: yes apt-get install gftp
[01:43] <_hp_> then i woke up
[01:43] <linux-is-prity> hi
[01:43] <_hp_> what a nightmare
[01:43] <nobile> thanks hybrid_goth!
[01:43] <anner_nwm> hello..looking for some info on making java 1.
[01:43] <Dittohead> count0nz, ahhh
[01:43] <count0nz> MonkeyBonkey, ouch
[01:43] <_hp_> linux is NOT pretty
[01:44] <MonkeyBonkey> dude xp pro runs on my p2 266 like no problem
[01:44] <hybrid_goth> nobile: np
[01:44] <buddha> HOLY SHIT!!! winXP on a 486
[01:44] <MonkeyBonkey> only 1 min boot
[01:44] <hybrid_goth> _hp_: hahahahaha
[01:44] <MonkeyBonkey> to desktop
[01:44] <count0nz> LOL
[01:44] <Funraiser> what's the web site to copy paste stuff so that someone else can see it? paste.com ?
[01:44] <_hp_> Funraiser: pastebin.com ?
[01:44] <count0nz> XP runs like a Dog on 128meg ram
[01:44] <hybrid_goth> pastebin.com
[01:44] <Marble2> why doesn't btdownloadcurses work?
[01:44] <linux-is-prity> I'm a total newby so please don't laugh at me but, I can't change the resolution on my laptop
[01:44] <Marble2> i installed through apt-get
[01:44] <Funraiser> _hp_, that's the one, thanks
[01:44] <Dittohead> I run Gentoo (no X) with Apache, MySQL, PHP, Samba etc. on a 400 mhz with 192mb ram
[01:44] <Marble2> it gives me a list of options, but not the required fields
[01:44] <_hp_> np
[01:44] <Funraiser> hybrid_goth, thanks
[01:44] <hybrid_goth> xp runs like a dog a on anything
[01:44] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: np
[01:44] <_hp_> linux-is-prity: system > preferences > screen resolution
[01:45] <count0nz> Dittohead, :) Gentoo is nice too
[01:45] <anner_nwm> oops--looking for info on java 1.5 to run on ubuntus...please--- when you have a sec
[01:45] <_hp_> linux-is-prity: assuming you're running ubuntu like you should be
[01:45] <MonkeyBonkey> xp pro boots ln like 1 sec on my AMD 64 Bit 2ghz 6 channel, 4Gb DDR RAM, Geforce 6800 Ultra SLI PCI-EXpress 512MB, 500Gb hard drive
[01:45] <linux-is-prity> _hp_, thank you. I tried and the only option I have is 640x480
[01:45] <buddha> brb... gonna dl some IRC scripts
[01:45] <hybrid_goth> does skype have to have X
[01:45] <nobile> HELP!
[01:45] <_hp_> linux-is-prity: do you have the correct videocard drivers installed?
[01:45] <linux-is-prity> _hp_,  :) yeah, ubuntu on a cd a friend gave me
[01:45] <Dittohead> count0nz, Just converted to Ubuntu for my desktop stuff today...got a new 160gb SATA hard drive
[01:45] <nobile> it said that the package depends some some things
[01:45] <linux-is-prity> _hp_, I don't know :)
[01:45] <MonkeyBonkey> does ubuntu come with somthing to play movies with?
[01:45] <count0nz> Dittohead, LOL you will be like me sudo emerge blaaa
[01:46] <nobile> it told me to run apt-get -f install  but now it wants to uninstall a program
[01:46] <linux-is-prity> _hp_, I'm sorry, I'm a total newbie
[01:46] <_hp_> MonkeyBonkey: i have 13 xraids running mac os x server and i use them to store my vast collection of high quality pornograpy
[01:46] <Dittohead> count0nz, lol
[01:46] <count0nz> xine
[01:46] <count0nz> (movies)
[01:46] <Dittohead> count0nz, Yeah, I'm going to miss portage, but apt-get is pretty good.
[01:46] <MonkeyBonkey> w/e. would Ubuntu linux run faster than XP pro
[01:47] <count0nz> Dittohead, its pretty good agree i kinda missed it at 1st but it grows on you
[01:47] <hybrid_goth> hahahaha
[01:47] <_hp_> linux-is-prity: try running dexconf (SOMEONE VERIFY THIS)
[01:47] <nobile> do I let it remove the program?
[01:47] <count0nz> apt-get remove program
[01:47] <anner_nwm> my ubuntu is cool--much better than sappy windows....except for java script...
[01:47] <_hp_> MonkeyBonkey: not if you run a fancy theme
[01:47] <hybrid_goth> nobile: what prog is it
[01:47] <anner_nwm> mine was fancy...
[01:47] <MonkeyBonkey> is ubuntu really compatible with progs
[01:47] <Dittohead> count0nz, emerge unmerge portage... :P
[01:47] <nobile> it wants to erase nvu
[01:47] <anner_nwm> still is...i think
[01:47] <count0nz> :) agree
[01:47] <_simple> anybody have a problem streaming music in music player with it getting an unexpected end of sream error after every song?
[01:47] <MonkeyBonkey> Like would Ubuntu run Photoshop?
[01:47] <count0nz> Dittohead, lol yep :)
[01:48] <hybrid_goth> do u need it?
[01:48] <linux-is-prity> _hp_, it seemed to work but still only have the one low res option
[01:48] <_hp_> MonkeyBonkey: yes, wine & crossover office can run it
[01:48] <nickrud> anner_nwm, you want http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java method three
[01:48] <count0nz> MonkeyBonkey, Gimp
[01:48] <_hp_> linux-is-prity: what is your graphics card?
[01:48] <Dittohead> count0nz, Because gentoo is insanely customizable it's still got a place on my server box though :)
[01:48] <nobile> kind of yes, I didn't like it, but that's the only option I got to make webpages....
[01:48] <anner_nwm> does anyone know why java wont work with ubuntu?--its the only thing i am lacking --i thinik
[01:48] <_hp_> count0nz: gimp doesn't compare to photoshop
[01:48] <linux-is-prity> _hp_, I'm not sure. It's a laptop so... :/
[01:48] <_hp_> MonkeyBonkey: try getting gimpshop.... makes gimp look like photoshop
[01:48] <linux-is-prity> it's a Dell Inpiron 1100
[01:48] <hybrid_goth> nobile: mozilla editor is nice
[01:48] <count0nz> Gentoo is Great if you want to Tweek everything, Ubunti is good for quickly geting boxen up
[01:49] <Dittohead> GIMP is good, but anyone who uses photoshop can agree, it's a whole 'nother league.
[01:49] <anner_nwm> THANKS!!!!
[01:49] <nobile> is it like dreamweaver?
[01:49] <Dittohead> nobile, is GIMP like dreamweaver?
[01:49] <MonkeyBonkey> isnt photoshop 8 cs better than GIMP
[01:49] <nobile> no, gimp i slike photoshop
[01:49] <_hp_> linux-is-prity: http://nbpfaus.net/~pfau/inspiron.html
[01:49] <Dittohead> MonkeyBonkey, Yes, that' what we were implying
[01:49] <MonkeyBonkey> can i use GIMP commercialy?
[01:49] <nobile> dreamweaver is to make webpages, gimp edits images
[01:49] <Dittohead> MonkeyBonkey, Of course...
[01:50] <MonkeyBonkey> ok
[01:50] <MonkeyBonkey> thanks
[01:50] <Burgundavia> Dittohead, dreamweaver doesn't have a good counterpart in OSS yet
[01:50] <hybrid_goth> nobile:  you can put ras wrc in it then view the out come and other no i doesnt make pre scripts
[01:50] <_hp_> MonkeyBonkey: yes
[01:50] <MonkeyBonkey> be back after i install ubuntu on the shitster
[01:50] <hybrid_goth> Burgundavia: does dreamweaver do the codin for you
[01:50] <_hp_> i've tried using gimp and i need my photoshop
[01:50] <mrXP> Help please with RealPlayer installation E:install: cannot create regular file `/usr/share/locale/hi/LC_MESSAGES/realplay.mo': No such file or directory
[01:50] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: nvu?
[01:50] <Burgundavia> hybrid_goth, yes, it is mostly wysywig
[01:50] <_hp_> hybrid_goth: HTML or PHP/other server side?
[01:50] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, not there yet
[01:51] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: oh well, WYSIWYG page creators are worthless anyway
[01:51] <Dittohead> _hp_, Same here on photoshop v. gimp
 nobile:  you can put ras wrc in it then view the out come and other no i doesnt make pre scripts  <--- O_o  ???
[01:51] <count0nz> 4 newbies http://ubuntuguide.org/ <---- look for how to play your movies and add java etc
[01:51] <_hp_> Amaranth: i like to use them to set up tables
[01:51] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, plus is developed by linspire, and they haven't built a community around it, even if it is OSS
[01:51] <hybrid_goth> Burgundavia: hehe my skewl uses it to make the website b/c noone understands html
[01:51] <linux-is-prity> _hp_,  thank you. it looks like I have alot to read. :)
[01:51] <Burgundavia> hybrid_goth, and then they make horrible html
[01:51] <hybrid_goth> calls of 20 8th graders and only one has heard of php
[01:51] <_hp_> linux-is-prity: good luck, if you need help we are alwas here
[01:51] <Burgundavia> hybrid_goth, at they don't use frontpage
[01:52] <linux-is-prity> I just noticed that my sound isn't working either :(. I don't think I'm ready for linux
[01:52] <_hp_> OMFG!!! frontpage generates the worst HTML since AIM's profile editor
[01:52] <hybrid_goth> Burgundavia: yes it is ugly and the teacher didnt even know what php is
[01:52] <brandonn> anyone have a recommendation for an 802.11g card tha works without much hassle on Hoary?
[01:52] <Amaranth> _hp_: I hope you're using tables for tabular data. :) Even so, a WYSIWYG editor will never be able to create an HTML file that isn't presentation biased
[01:52] <linux-is-prity> _hp_,  thank you "good luck, if you need help we are alwas here"
[01:52] <_hp_> linux-is-prity: all can be set up, what were you running before?
[01:52] <j2dope> gday. in Nvu, when I paste in phpcode, it edits <?  and ?> tags to &lt for example... is there a way to stop this?
[01:52] <linux-is-prity> _hp_, windows xp
[01:53] <hybrid_goth> _hp_: heh
[01:53] <linux-is-prity> _hp_, I know just a touch about linux shell from my web host but VERY little
[01:53] <Amaranth> nvu is in ubuntu?
[01:53] <mrXP> Help please with RealPlayer installation (Error cannot create regular file `/usr/share/locale/hi/LC_MESSAGES/realplay.mo': No such file or director
[01:53] <j2dope> better yet. is there an Nvu help channel around?
[01:53] <another_warty> wow the live cd found my usb cable modem!  cool
[01:53] <Amaranth> j2dope: #nvu on irc.mozilla.org, most likely
[01:53] <abood> hi all
[01:54] <Amaranth> another_warty: no way, it couldn't find mine
[01:54] <Amaranth> another_warty: I had to get out an ethernet cable and hook it up that way
[01:54] <count0nz> another_warty, :) kewl :)
[01:54] <linux-is-prity> _hp_, thank you again. I'm going to look into that link.
[01:54] <another_warty> yay sweet!
[01:54] <jode> I am a newbie, could anyone rell me how to use an.rpm file?
[01:54] <linux-is-prity> see you all.
[01:54] <j2dope> thanks Amaranth
[01:55] <busybox> hi
[01:55] <hybrid_goth> jode: man alien
[01:55] <nickrud> jode, you probably should look for the equivalent deb
[01:55] <jode> what is man alien?
[01:55] <_hp_> jode: check out synaptic first
[01:55] <nickrud> jode, what rpm do you want to use?
[01:56] <_hp_> jode: in shell type "man alien" without the quotes
[01:56] <hybrid_goth> jode: heh type man alien in the terminal
[01:56] <nickrud> lol
[01:56] <jode> what is synaptiamule.rpm
[01:56] <hybrid_goth> man <command> lets u see info on it
[01:56] <jode> ok
[01:56] <hybrid_goth> _hp_: why u hate man
[01:56] <nickrud> man is good if you already know what it does
[01:56] <jode> is amule .rpm
[01:57] <busybox> No manual entry for alien >_<
[01:57] <DeFi> apt-get install alien
[01:57] <DeFi> ;)
[01:57] <hybrid_goth> is too
[01:57] <busybox> ;-] 
[01:57] <brandonn> does anyone use 802.11g with ubuntu?
[01:57] <_hp_> hybrid_goth: i know it's useful, it is just.... good at ticking me off... like NSYNC... the moment you see it you get .... mad
[01:57] <nickrud> jode, you need to do http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats, then apt-get install amule
[01:57] <another_warty> me thinks i'll install ubuntu dual boot on this old box!
[01:58] <jode> ok, will try, says can't find file.
[01:58] <mrXP> Never mind i Got RealPlayer working now
[01:58] <hybrid_goth> _hp_: heh like a new metallica cd you know it cant be good for them or you
[01:58] <_hp_> i think ubuntu needs to have a "windows user" setup option where it would install all the crap a windows user would need, and actually *WORK* nicely without having to download and compile crap
[01:58] <hybrid_goth> lol
[01:58] <hybrid_goth> _hp_: so a kid mode?
[01:58] <nickrud> jode, amule is in the universe repository, doing the link I gave you will give you access to it
[01:58] <hybrid_goth> q:
[01:58] <_hp_> hybrid_goth: basically
[01:59] <jode> ok, thanks!
[01:59] <another_warty> i love to compile crap
[01:59] <busybox> RealPlayer (spyware...)
[01:59] <hybrid_goth> _hp_: hehe
[01:59] <_hp_> another_warty: does the average windows user even know what compile is?    "gee, is that the mix tape you gave me for my birthday?"
[01:59] <busybox> I am sure.
[02:01] <another_warty> did I miss your b-day? again?
[02:03] <blablablabla> Hi there, anyone knows about problems using realtek 8169 nic's especially in a notebook?
[02:04] <xim> _hp_, actually, universe and multiverse exists for 2 reasons: 1) Supporting 14000 would make a time-based release impractical 2) Some of this software is non-free
[02:04] <xim> 14000 packages, that is
[02:04] <mrXP> Can I create an unattended CD from Ubuntu for an automated installation?
[02:04] <_hp_> oh man listen to this: "As I slowly unbottoned her her blouse she noticed that I have too many dependencies. She attempted to configure herself to make it work. At last she said: 'I'm sorry... I cannot compile with you'"
[02:04] <LinuxJones> mrXP, you can install kickstart and set one up
[02:04] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:04] <blablablabla> I got ubunut installed, networking "works", mich means I get an ip from dhcp but the bandwith is only at 1k/s ...
[02:05] <brandonn> so nobody uses wireless?
[02:05] <mrXP> LinuxJones does kickstart have a web site for helping or to download the guide?
[02:05] <_hp_> xim: i was just saying, add an option that will install codecs and alike
[02:05] <REds> ye i have brandonn its that intel 2200gb wireless that comes with the centrinos
[02:05] <REds> hah thats funny
[02:05] <nickrud> geeks
[02:05] <brandonn> that's internal isn't it? hoping to just buy a card, not a new laptop
[02:05] <_hp_> whoa
[02:05] <nickrud> :)
[02:05] <blablablabla> REds: you got it up and running?
[02:05] <REds> yep just installed hoary and it works
[02:05] <hybrid_goth> what is the point of a netsplit?
[02:05] <resiak> hybrid_goth: There's no _point_ -- it's a bad thing.
[02:06] <hybrid_goth> resiak: well why do we have them
[02:06] <yakk> well, there is a point, kinda
[02:06] <sgtkernel> word
[02:06] <blablablabla> REds: me too, but the bandwith is not normal ... not even 1k ...
[02:06] <DeFi> tehy dont do it on purpose :P
[02:06] <nickrud> well, what's the cause :)
[02:06] <nemik> hello everyone. i just got my first linux install on one of my machines with hoary and i LOVE it!
[02:06] <LincTeK> did everyone see on the ubuntu forums there is a script to get alot of common packages from a fresh install of hoary
[02:06] <resiak> hybrid_goth: When two IRC servers lose contact with one anohter.
[02:06] <yakk> in a way its a lot better than having a bunch of queued messages hit all at once
[02:06] <hybrid_goth> resiak: ah
[02:06] <REds> cause the sync between servers split and hence the clients split between servers
[02:06] <yakk> in the olden days it was from lag
[02:06] <holycow> nemik, welcome to linux :)
[02:06] <REds> blablablabla, ahh u have some weird issue, i get few hundred k it works alright
[02:06] <hybrid_goth> yea my lag was at 145 for a min
[02:06] <hybrid_goth> nemik: congratz
[02:07] <holycow> nemik, you can loosen the seatbelt, and please enjoy the flight
[02:07] <REds> blablablabla, not the best wifi card ive had
[02:07] <holycow> :)
[02:07] <nemik> just have one problem. i have a 2wire 802.11b wifi USB adapter. device manager sees it fine, but its lights aren't on it and it won't connect to the net. what are my options?
[02:07] <blablablabla> REds: thats the problem, running windows it works but on linux I have trouble ....
[02:08] <holycow> nemik, first google if it has linux support
[02:08] <sgtkernel> i've got a couple of questions. First off....does anybody have a usb 1.1 hard drive in ubuntu, or know about how long it should take the file manager to open folders? for some reason, it's taking about 2 minutes to open folders that haven't been opened recently.
[02:08] <REds> blablablabla, as i said just installed hoary on the laptop and it works
[02:08] <holycow> usb wireless adapters have poor support on linux in general
[02:08] <subbie> would there be a reason why somebody else wouldn't be able to connect to my SSH server i just installed in ubuntu ?
[02:08] <Razor-X> subble: port forwarding
[02:08] <brandonn> subbie: firewall?
[02:08] <blablablabla> REds: what kind of laptop do you have?
[02:09] <LincTeK> router
[02:09] <REds> nec m540, like 1month old
[02:09] <subbie> brandonn: is there one enabled by default in ubuntu? this is my first time using it.  i have port 22 forwarded in my router
[02:09] <nemik> i've tried i haven't seen linux drivers on the site and the thing doesn't even have a model number...perhaps i'll just use the USB ethernet adapter laying around but i'll have to buy quite a bit of cabling
[02:09] <REds> and the hp one also
[02:09] <sgtkernel> secondly, does anybody know a good native linux program to resize dvd's ...i'm not looking to rip to mpg or vcd, but rather to resize dual-layer dvd's (7-9GB) to single-layer (4.3G) while keeping menus?
[02:09] <nemik> dvdshrink! hehehe
[02:09] <nemik> sorry
[02:09] <Razor-X> subbie: make sure you can conect to it yourself, locally
[02:09] <REds> nemik, depends like some of the netgear ma usb wifi dongles work great, realy depends on the chipsets
[02:09] <subbie> Razor-X: i can
[02:09] <holycow> nemik, or if its a tower you can get a know working pci wireless card
[02:10] <subbie> sgtkernel: im pretty sure dvdshrink works in wine
[02:10] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: how is that embedded system going?
[02:10] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: working on it, I'm thinking what Linux distro would install on an EBGA processor
[02:10] <nemik> holycow: yes that is another option. just really gotta make sure it has linux support!
[02:10] <sgtkernel> nemik, subbie, yes, i have used dvdshrink+wine, but it's a pain (doesn't work for random reasons about 7/8 of the times i install it) and i'd much rather have a native solution.
[02:10] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: found anymore?
[02:10] <subbie> sgtkernel: i think there is one called dvdrip
[02:11] <sgtkernel> subbie, it seems to only rip to vcd/mpeg/avi etc.
[02:11] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: but, that's a $50 17cmx17cm bx, perfect in budget, a bit big on size
[02:11] <nemik> but overall i can't beleive the speed of this thing on a celeron 600mhz. it also has 256MB RAM and 10GB HD and it is REALLY nice!
[02:11] <sgtkernel> no output plugin for dvd-style filesystems
[02:12] <nemik> i'm gonna make a server out of it for processing incoming SMS's from mobile phones
[02:12] <Razor-X> 256 is quite a bit for a 600 mhz celeron ;)
[02:12] <Razor-X> *box
[02:12] <holycow> nemik, it's nice eh?
[02:12] <sgtkernel> anybody have any ideas about that first problem opening folders in the filemanager? it really takes forever
[02:12] <brandonn> subbie: first see if you can ssh locally, then work your way backward, you can use tcpdump to see if the forwarding is actually working
[02:12] <subbie> Razor-X: any other ideas why somebody wouldn't be able to connect?
[02:12] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: hmm
[02:12] <bassinboy> i just installed warty, how do i install the nvidia driver?
[02:12] <Razor-X> subbie: have you tried asking other people?
[02:12] <Razor-X> bassinboy: I think you should think about installing hoary ;)
[02:12] <hybrid_goth> i second that
[02:12] <nemik> its great! my first native install. till then i messed around with knoppix live CDs but this is much faster. still undecided between KDE and GNOME though
[02:12] <bassinboy> Razor-X: when my CD's come in ;)
[02:13] <Razor-X> bassinboy: hah, I see
[02:13] <sgtkernel> bassinboy, check out http://ubuntuguide.org
[02:13] <subbie> Razor-X: yeah i have, they just get a message saying the host is unreachable
[02:13] <hybrid_goth> bassinboy: ? just change the sources.list
[02:13] <Razor-X> subbie: then, it's either your router, or your SSHD config
[02:13] <sgtkernel> bassinboy, it not only has instructions for your nvidia driver, but about 40 other incredibly useful step-by-step things
[02:13] <holycow> nemik, depending on the users needs its possible to switch to linux very easily
[02:13] <subbie> Razor-X: :(
[02:13] <brandonn> subbie: the problem is probably in the router, can you ssh locally   (from the machine to itself)
[02:14] <Razor-X> anyone have any suggestions for things that'll keep me awake without caffeine?
[02:14] <bassinboy> sgtkernel: i use to use ubuntu, i just couldn't remember the command after you install nvidia-glx :P
[02:14] <sgtkernel> holycow, i totally agree....i'm on my roommate's box right now; he's never used linux before this, but is happier now than with windowsXP ....except for the file manager performance. that one nag is making him bitch up a storm
[02:14] <hybrid_goth> how do i forward a port so i can ssh to this box? i have a linksys wireless b router and it is connected to a 2k box
[02:14] <Razor-X> brandonn: he said he can, that's why I think it's a router problem
[02:14] <count0nz> can someone add the guide to the Topic ? its saves us repeating a lot of good stuff (TM)
[02:14] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: vitamin b6 and b12
[02:15] <nobile> bassinboy candies
[02:15] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: ok then, something I can obtain ;)
[02:15] <Razor-X> my parents forbid caffeine
[02:15] <sgtkernel> bassinboy, typically you edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add the new driver name, and that's pretty much it
[02:15] <Razor-X> all I can use is diet coke
[02:15] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: heh
[02:15] <holycow> sgtkernel, yes the reason is that its actually reading directly from the file system, it doesn't have any caching service to use like explorer
[02:15] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: bleew
[02:15] <brandonn> sorry, too many conversations, I keep missing stuff
[02:15] <Razor-X> and, even then, not too much of it
[02:15] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: how old are you?
[02:15] <Razor-X> else they'll get suspicious
[02:15] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:15] <Razor-X> 15
[02:15] <holycow> sgtkernel, someone is supposedly working on a files system caching thing but i donno where its at
[02:15] <othernoob> i downloaded the 2.6.11-1-686-smp kernel via kynaptic and when using ubuntu with it, it freezes after a few minutes. am i missing something ?
[02:15] <hybrid_goth> 14
[02:16] <sgtkernel> holycow, caching service or no, it seems like an outrage for it to take 2 full minutes to open a folder
[02:16] <nickrud> can someone point me to the toplevel roadmap for breezy?
[02:16] <Razor-X> see, a certain something is going to finish downloading in 9 hours.... and thenI have to do something with this certain something
[02:16] <Razor-X> and that means that, i'll probably be up all night
[02:16] <holycow> sgtkernel, 2 minutes?
[02:16] <holycow> sgtkernel, something is wrong
[02:16] <Razor-X> and, I haven't had the best of sleep till now
[02:16] <holycow> what do you mean 2 minutes?
[02:16] <sgtkernel> holycow, no kidding?
[02:16] <count0nz> quite a few updates in backports :)
[02:16] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: episode iii bootlegs before the premier always suxxors
[02:16] <Razor-X> and, I can't really sleep from now till something is finished downloading
[02:16] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: shaddap!
[02:16] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:17] <sgtkernel> holycow, that's why i'm asking....if it was a few seconds i'd just think it was a bit slower than other fm's
[02:17] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: where did you find it
[02:17] <holycow> sgtkernel, here its nearly as fast as windows, except for the 'feel' of not being as fast which has to do with precaching
[02:17] <Razor-X> torrent
[02:17] <Razor-X> I dun care
[02:17] <Razor-X> i've read the book
[02:17] <hybrid_goth> ah
[02:17] <Razor-X> i'm gonna watch the bootleg before the theater experience
[02:17] <holycow> sgtkernel, no something is wrong, its hard to say, but that definately isn't normal nautilus behaviour
[02:17] <sgtkernel> holycow, that i can understand. and i recognize that usb 1.1 isn't that fast (and i'm considering a 2.0 pci card) but this seems like a big problem
[02:17] <Razor-X> so I can shout in the theater, and annoy everyone "Kick Yoda ass, Sidious!!!"
[02:18] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:18] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: i found the torrent yayayay
[02:18] <Razor-X> like I said, i've read the book, so I know the plotline
[02:18] <holycow> sgtkernel, what does sub haveto do with nautilus? your opening up a usb mounted hd?
[02:18] <sgtkernel> holycow, i've had several people now say "yeah, something's wrong" ...but i don't know where to start looking, and I've only gotten one suggestion so far, and that was "try to add another user and see if he has the same problem" ...and i did, and the new user behaved exactly the same
[02:18] <Razor-X> so, i'm just a freak for Star Wars, that's all
[02:18] <hybrid_goth> wow i tried to d/l it when it came out not a one seed
[02:19] <sgtkernel> holycow, yeah. the hdd is usb, and the box only has 1.1
[02:19] <count0nz> Yoda runs Ubuntu :)
[02:19] <Razor-X> hehe
[02:19] <Razor-X> but what about Qui-Gon?
[02:19] <hybrid_goth> Yoda built ubuntu
[02:19] <sgtkernel> holycow, but on windows, and even on knoppix, the same drive opened in a couple/few seconds.
[02:19] <Razor-X> the best Jedi of all?
[02:19] <Razor-X> (sory for the spoilers ;) )
[02:19] <hybrid_goth> Qui-Gon built redhat
[02:19] <holycow> sgtkernel, is the os installed on the usb hd? or on an hd on the ide channel internally?
[02:19] <count0nz> LOL
[02:19] <holycow> sgtkernel, well you can always use other file system browsers
[02:19] <sgtkernel> you guys are a wee bit off...yoda clearly runs gentoo. it's the padouin that run ubuntu
[02:19] <holycow> nautilus is just the default in gnome
[02:20] <Razor-X> padawan?
[02:20] <holycow> sgtkernel, install konqueror and see?
[02:20] <sgtkernel> holycow, no, the os is on ide drive
[02:20] <count0nz> LOL thats funny :)
[02:20] <hybrid_goth> luke depends on anikan depends on obi won depends on qui gon juss like redhat
[02:20] <holycow> sgtkernel, if os is on ide channel, can you browse local ide hd with nautilus at regular speed?
[02:20] <Razor-X> well, then, i'll move to say, Mace Windu built Slack
[02:20] <holycow> Razor-X, rofl :)
[02:21] <holycow> you hosers :)
[02:21] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:21] <Razor-X> ;)
[02:21] <Razor-X> Darth Sidious built Windows
[02:21] <hybrid_goth> the ewoks built cruz
[02:21] <count0nz> Firefox 1.0.4 now in backports
[02:21] <hybrid_goth> vader built mandrake
[02:21] <Razor-X> don't you think Red-Hat is worse than mandrake, though?
[02:22] <hybrid_goth> no mandrake is rh fscked up
[02:22] <hybrid_goth> even worse
[02:22] <count0nz> Anyone Rember Yodrassil (pardon spelling)
[02:22] <_hp_> LINDOWS!
[02:22] <abood> guys any body knows what 6882-6884 ports do ??
[02:22] <hybrid_goth> mual built gentoo
[02:22] <holycow> sgtkernel, so about my q, can you browse local ide hd with nautilus quickly? or is that slow too?
[02:22] <abood> or for what they r ?
[02:22] <Razor-X> _hp_: built by Dooku
[02:22] <Razor-X> or, Darth Tyranus ;)
[02:22] <hybrid_goth> sidius built sco
[02:23] <_hp_> holycow: it's pretty quick for me
[02:23] <Razor-X> nopes, Sidious built Windows
[02:23] <hybrid_goth> no sco
[02:23] <Razor-X> no Windows
[02:23] <Razor-X> !
[02:23] <hybrid_goth> sco sucks more then windows
[02:23] <hybrid_goth> !
[02:23] <holycow> _hp_, *nod* i'm trying to figure out his prob tho, he's not exactly answering right now
[02:23] <hybrid_goth> SCO
[02:23] <holycow> heh
[02:23] <Razor-X> Plageis built SCO
[02:23] <hybrid_goth> jaba built suse
[02:23] <Razor-X> (Darth Plageis)
[02:23] <count0nz> :)
[02:24] <Razor-X> Jar Jar built Mac ;)
[02:24] <hybrid_goth> hahahaa
[02:24] <count0nz> Luke Built Mosaic ?
[02:24] <hybrid_goth> very fitting
[02:24] <nickrud> lol
[02:24] <_hp_> holycow: hd on the verge of death?
[02:24] <Razor-X> count0nz: right on!
[02:24] <holycow> _hp_, no nautilus takes 2 minutes to open a folder on usb 1.0 mounted hd
[02:24] <Razor-X> well, I like Jar Jar *cough*
[02:24] <Razor-X> sorry, my throat needed clearing ;)
[02:24] <_hp_> if only mac os x worked on more platforms
[02:24] <count0nz> Raskall, Jar jar is kewl
[02:25] <Razor-X> ohhhh, I know
[02:25] <hybrid_goth> jar jar sux
[02:25] <holycow> _hp_, thankfully they stay in their own little corner
[02:25] <nickrud> _hp_, it almost did, and it sucks
[02:25] <nobile> jar jar binks
[02:25] <holycow> osx is an abomination
[02:25] <sgtkernel> holycow, sorry had to test a bit to answer that. yes, the ide drive seems reasonably quick
[02:25] <holycow> :)
[02:25] <Razor-X> Sasee Tim built BSD
[02:25] <Razor-X> the most useless Jedi ;) the most useless OS
[02:25] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:26] <hybrid_goth> choubaca built HURD
[02:26] <_hp_> damn, firefox just crashed on me
[02:26] <holycow> sgtkernel, okay, install konqueror and try that
[02:26] <sgtkernel> Razor-X, no dissing bsd; it's bare metal, but it sure works nice if you've got blackbelt admins and want something solid as rock
[02:26] <sgtkernel> holycow, yeah good call
[02:26] <IIIEars> "Pick one discipline and master it young jedi BSD will serve you well.."
[02:26] <holycow> sgtkernel, you can run kde apps in gnome, they will just pull in kde libs, try to see if they can read it faster
[02:26] <sgtkernel> yeah
[02:27] <holycow> it sounds like a litteral device access issue, rather than a nautilus issue
[02:27] <Razor-X> sgtkernel: hey, Sasee Tim was pretty solid too, just not very... interesting
[02:27] <hybrid_goth> **force
[02:27] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: XD
[02:27] <hybrid_goth> cant spell today
[02:28] <sgtkernel> Razor-X, oh, let me tell you, if there's one word to describe some of the experiences i've had with bsd, it's definitely "interesting"
[02:28] <Razor-X> sgtkernel: ahhh, I don't like BSD meself, much
[02:28] <IIIEars> lol - a new OS never helped anyones spelling - (sure was hoping it would tho.)
[02:28] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:28] <Razor-X> use the source!
[02:28] <sgtkernel> brb fellas....gotta tend my bbq grill
[02:29] <Razor-X> go to Jedi Temple aka CVS snapshots!
[02:29] <nemik> hehe now i know why i didn't try linux sooner....:D
[02:29] <_hp_> hybrid_goth: i prefer my movies to have a dearth of hackneyed qualities
[02:29] <Razor-X> nemik: ;)
[02:29] <_hp_> nemik: try running windows. it's better
[02:29] <holycow> nemik, why is that?
[02:30] <_hp_> windows is better than linux in a few key areas....
[02:30] <Razor-X> yeah, it is
[02:30] <Burgundavia> _hp_, crashing, costing more money and time
[02:30] <Razor-X> not a few, just abotu two, i'ld say
[02:30] <Kira> jeditemple checkout lightsaber1.0.15-5
[02:30] <Razor-X> *about
[02:30] <nickrud> nemik, why now?
[02:30] <hybrid_goth> yeah
[02:30] <nemik> just when you guys started going on about star wars. i've only seen one of those films and even then was too distracted by my girlfriend, who wasn't my girlfriend at the time!
[02:30] <Razor-X> but, then again, in every other aspect, it's far superior
[02:30] <hybrid_goth> like worms viruses
[02:30] <_hp_> Burgundavia: i've never had a problem with any of those
[02:30] <_hp_> on windows
[02:30] <holycow> nemik, well there is that :)
[02:31] <Burgundavia> _hp_, you have never done help desk stuff then
[02:31] <seth_> Hello everyone.
[02:31] <Razor-X> nemik: some of us here will perform the Star Trek reiteration ;)
[02:31] <_hp_> Burgundavia: can't say that i have
[02:31] <holycow> nemik, however, nerds now rule the world, without us world economies crumble
[02:31] <hybrid_goth> hi
[02:31] <holycow> :)
[02:31] <_hp_> but linux is not ready for a mass influx of the hoi polloi
[02:31] <Burgundavia> _hp_, that is where you see OSes break in cool and interesting ways
[02:31] <Razor-X> Kira: XD
[02:31] <nickrud> nemik, and some of us won't ")
[02:31] <seth_> Hey IIIEARS. How are ya tonight?
[02:31] <holycow> Burgundavia _hp_, you have never done help desk stuff then  <-- heh exactly
[02:31] <nemik> i agree. i consider myself a pretty big nerd as well. just not in the traditional scifi-loving sense!
[02:31] <nickrud> holycow, lol
[02:31] <johnnybe1ak> holycow: sure they do ;)
[02:31] <Razor-X> i'm a big nerd
[02:31] <_hp_> linux is now good enough only for the computer intellegentsia not for the general public
[02:32] <Razor-X> computers, Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Math ;)
[02:32] <_hp_> Burgundavia: i liked windows
[02:32] <hybrid_goth> beam me up scottie
[02:32] <holycow> _hp_, i have a pilot project in one of our offices
[02:32] <nobile> or so they say
[02:32] <_hp_> Burgundavia: it ran for me nicely, had all the crap i needed, etc...
[02:32] <holycow> its more usable than windows so far
[02:32] <JGL> Does someone know how to upgrade to Firefox 1.0.4 ?
[02:32] <nemik> math, computers, mobile phones, web dev, languages, business. :)
[02:32] <Razor-X> ph33r |\/| |_|b3r 1337 g145535
[02:32] <_hp_> but synaptic, GPL, and the community plus the increase in stability and such are worth the switch
[02:32] <nickrud> star man's son, andre norton
[02:32] <Boohbah> wow, you guys are all so leet for using ubuntu
[02:32] <hybrid_goth> JGL: backports
[02:33] <nemik> and parties (not LAN-related) ;)
[02:33] <IIIEARS> My wife has got to use linux - this windows monthly reinstall is a pain. (no pron or warez surfing either -  our visa # is posted somewhere no doubt)
[02:33] <_hp_> Boohbah: aren't we? bask in our leetness... embrace the leetness and let it overpower you
[02:33] <holycow> _hp_, anyone can use linux, its trivial with ubuntu at least
[02:33] <Razor-X> come to the light!
[02:33] <_hp_> holycow: a regular user wouldn't know to get gstreamer-mad to make mp3's play!
[02:33] <Razor-X> the dark side is poisoning you!
[02:33] <hybrid_goth> IIIEARS: heh
[02:33] <_hp_> people get frustrated when little things don't work
[02:33] <holycow> _hp_, i must admit i don't necessarily look forward to the day when the average target of spyware starts using linux however
[02:34] <nemik> so true. it was 5x easier than installing windows. put in cd, find crack, recheck serial numbers....:D
[02:34] <holycow> _hp_, lol not true, point and click
[02:34] <Razor-X> holycow: yeah, then everyone will ditch back to Windows ;)
[02:34] <nickrud> nickrud waits for the day when apt-get install <something> fixes all my ills
[02:34] <holycow> _hp_, open up synaptic, copy right repository, update, install, your out of your mind
[02:34] <Razor-X> XD
[02:34] <_hp_> holycow: the problem is that people don't know what to do when they get errors when they try to do basic stuff like play mp3s
[02:34] <holycow> _hp_, and they know on windows?
[02:34] <Razor-X> apt-get install malaria-innoculation-1.1
[02:34] <holycow> please
[02:34] <holycow> _hp_, no user on windows has a bloody clue about what to do ...
[02:35] <goldfish> you dont get errors on windows about mp3's usually
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:35] <holycow> _hp_, all windows users have learned over the years is how to DEAL with the windows quirks
[02:35] <geneo93> nickrud:  the day is here if you want to spend some money
[02:35] <nemik> hey now! i'm a windows POWER user. ;)
[02:35] <holycow> _hp_, i have yet to ever see a windows user actually fix a problem
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> SELECT * FROM windows WHERE userclue > 0
[02:35] <Razor-X> nemik: and i'm a Windows and Linux power user
[02:35] <nickrud> geneo93, i don't, and hi
[02:35] <Razor-X> and an average BSD user
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> ) Rows Returnes
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> **0
[02:35] <DeFi> 99% of windows users cant install SP2 without majorly messing up their box
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:35] <holycow> _hp_, all windows users know is how to download spyware infested crap to try and fix even your silly example
[02:35] <nemik> i <3 MySQL...
[02:36] <geneo93> been a while nickrud but i'm back
[02:36] <hybrid_goth> nemik: you like that?
[02:36] <holycow> _hp_, beyond downloading software and doing clicky click on an installer they are as useless on windows as linux
[02:36] <Razor-X> holycow: probably the most used software for the average user, beside Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player, is Spybot
[02:36] <nickrud> geneo93, me also, I've been in a blackout for the last couple of weeks
[02:36] <nemik> i made my business in PHP and MySQL
[02:36] <frank> anybody here running kubuntu64 ?  I have major kaffeine problems
[02:36] <holycow> Razor-X, yeap.
[02:36] <Burgundavia> frank, you might want to try #kubuntu
[02:36] <frank> ok thansk
[02:36] <geneo93> nickrud:  i wiped my kubuntu install by mistake
[02:36] <brandonn> yeah, they're all talking about lesbians
[02:37] <hybrid_goth> frank: i have mahor caffine problems but they say i need to stop the coffee
[02:37] <DeFi> im not really for installing a program to fix whats wrong with another program, rather just fix the issue directly
[02:37] <nickrud> geneo93, so just what client are you using at the moment ;)
[02:37] <nemik> hybrid: i started getting into PHP and MySQL a few months ago and just got addicted. nearly cost my finals!
[02:37] <geneo93> gaim in mandrake
[02:37] <nickrud> geneo93, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, i think
[02:37] <hybrid_goth> nemik: heh
[02:38] <geneo93> nickrud:  there is nothing there anymore
[02:38] <nickrud> geneo93, that is a most vague statement
[02:39] <geneo93> well the entire partition was wiped
[02:39] <nickrud> geneo93, gimmie a little info :)
[02:39] <holycow> DeFi, thats really what most of the problems are caused by on windows, cluebies thinking they know what they are doing, when in reality they aren't fixing anything they are just installing YET ANOTHER piece of software
[02:40] <holycow> DeFi, no one actually fixes shit on windows, they hope and pray they can find a fix to INSTALL on their machine
[02:40] <nemik> damn! i found a PCI ethernet laying around and put it into the ubuntu box. it lit up when i put in the networ cable, but still won't connect to net via firefox...
[02:40] <geneo93> nickrud:  i was d/ling a new install of kubuntu in suse but i had to come over to mandrake to do some work (work)
[02:40] <nemik> could it be because i didn't install it what that hardware connected
[02:41] <brandonn> is there a way to list what networks are available on a wireless card?
[02:41] <DeFi> yeap holycow, its a never ending cycle
[02:41] <bob2> brandonn: sudo uwlist scanning
[02:41] <nemik> brandonn: ethereal?
[02:41] <bob2> brandonn: assuming your card does wireless extensions
[02:42] <geneo93> my work is done now so i can play
[02:42] <nickrud> geneo93, I can relate to that
[02:42] <Marble2> Are there any tools I can use to rip a dvd-r ?
[02:42] <brandonn> I can't seem to find uwlist
[02:42] <brandonn> what package is it in?
[02:43] <nemik> so how can i connect to the net with my box? everything seems fine...
[02:43] <nickrud> can anyone point me to the top level breezy roadmap?
[02:43] <_hp_> i wonder if the binary sequence of 0s and 1s for a default hoary install CD is within the first googl of the digits of pi
[02:43] <_hp_> that's a math question and a half
[02:43] <IIIEARS> Marble - dvdrip is in synaptic
[02:43] <brandonn> nemik, interface has an IP and you can ping your router?
[02:43] <DeFi> lol _hp_
[02:44] <geneo93> nickrud:  breezy is not quite useable yet
[02:44] <nickrud> geneo93, I caught that from the topic :)
[02:44] <calc> nickrud: its right on the main wiki page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyBadger
[02:44] <nickrud> calc, I was there, I swear, which means I must be blind
[02:44] <frank> _hp_ VERY unlikely
[02:45] <geneo93> did anyone get to help annie with java
[02:45] <nemik> hmmm don't know how to ping yet...just doing the automated device installer...
[02:45] <_hp_> frank: yet again, it HAS to be someplace within the digits of pi
[02:45] <tremere> i am using the live install version of Ubuntu.  i'm a newbie.  how come when i go to adjust the volume (to see if there is any sound), it says there aren't any devices?
[02:45] <bob2> brandonn: iwlist
[02:45] <Burgundavia> nickrud, a better site http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[02:45] <brandonn> ahh, found it, iwlist :)
[02:45] <brandonn> thanks, that works
[02:45] <_hp_> frank: and googl is a very big number
[02:45] <tremere> i know the soundcard is plugged in
[02:45] <nickrud> Burgundavia, thank you
[02:45] <brandonn> sure would be nice to find a wireless card that just works
[02:45] <bob2> brandonn: most of them do
[02:46] <brandonn> bob2: know of a 802.11g card that just works, through the gui config tools?
[02:46] <nemik> hmmmm so i'm doing the device install gui thing and sound, video, mouse are all fine then it just kind of gets stuck at Network test
[02:46] <calc> nickrud: the goals link has the updated info btw
[02:46] <bob2> no idea, the gui tools are crap
[02:46] <frank> _hp_ I not sure if it HAS to be there....  but it would make sense that it does have to be there
[02:46] <bob2> presumably prism54 and ipw2200 do, tho
[02:46] <calc> brandonn: intel cards just work, don't know about via gui
[02:47] <brandonn> I have a Dlink card, and I had to manually compile the modules, then it won't configure using iwconfig, I have to manually edit a file and put in the SSID To get it to work
[02:47] <calc> brandonn: they are pretty cheap and you can get minipci versions of them if you can make your laptop use them
[02:47] <nickrud> calc, thanks, I did miss the one you gave me
[02:47] <bob2> brandonn: usb?
[02:47] <calc> nickrud: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[02:47] <tremere> could someone here please tell me how to get my soundcard working?
[02:47] <brandonn> pcmcia
[02:47] <calc> brandonn: there are pcmcia ones available as well just not from intel
[02:47] <xenoxaos> is there any way to fix the colors in a terminal, i installed kismet (ncurses too) and the colors are monochrome? any way to get the colors back?
[02:47] <calc> brandonn: eg prism54
[02:47] <_hp_> frank: pi is a trascendal number, ergo any sequence of numbers, no matter how long has to be contained within the digits SOMEPLACE
[02:48] <isag1> could someone tell me why ubuntu can't play mp3?
[02:48] <calc> i put an intel 2915abg in my amd64 laptop
[02:48] <othernoob> Hi, ive downloaded the 2.6.11-686 kernels via kynaptic. kubuntu freezes with both, smp and normal kernel, after a few minutes whereas i dont have any problems with the 2.6.10-386 kernel.
[02:48] <_hp_> what's the package name for java runtime environment?
[02:48] <othernoob> upon booting the 686 kernels i get a VFS: ext3 on hda3 error
[02:48] <bob2> isag1: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:48] <othernoob> even though i dont even use ext3.. hda3 is / with reiserfs
[02:48] <othernoob> any ideas on how to fix that ?
[02:48] <bob2> isag1: please complain to fraunhoffer or you local government respresntative if you find it annoying that ubuntu doesn't include support for it
[02:48] <isag1> thanks
[02:49] <tremere> any experienced linux users here?
[02:49] <geneo93> bbiab
[02:49] <calc> bob2: so how many people have fhg sued for the decoder?
[02:49] <IIIEARS> othernoob - Same trouble here with the i686 *11 kernel  try the i686 *10-5
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> tremere: yeah just a fue
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> few
[02:49] <brandonn> calc: am I going to have to compile the modules myself?  cause the 2.6 kernel in hoary doesn't seem to have any pcmcia modules available
[02:49] <bob2> calc: I don't know
[02:49] <abood> nighty all ;)
[02:49] <calc> bob2: vs eg the patented font stuff that is in ubuntu (presumably)
[02:49] <bob2> calc: canonical doesn't want to be the first
[02:49] <bob2> calc: ok!
[02:49] <tremere> HrdwrBoB do you have a sec to help me get my soundcard working?
[02:49] <isag1> bob2: but kubuntu can, so why not ubuntu?
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> tremere: just ask the channel in general there's lots of people here
[02:50] <calc> bob2: i think canonical is probably just trying to help promote ogg vorbis/theora more than scared of patents
[02:50] <tremere> HrdwrBoB i did :)
[02:50] <othernoob> IIIEARS: okay i will, do you know if this will be fixed ?
[02:50] <calc> bob2: since eg mpeg2 stuff is still in
[02:50] <bob2> calc: that's not what happened
[02:50] <bob2> isag1: I guess no one tidied up kubuntu properly
[02:50] <IIIEARS> othernoob - you will need to carefully examine the boot directory and remove anything with i686 *11 and sudo update-grub er grub-update.
[02:50] <calc> bob2: eh?
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> tremere: ask again :)
[02:50] <tremere> could someone here please tell me how to get my soundcard working?
[02:51] <bob2> calc: that's not the discussion that happened
[02:51] <calc> bob2: oh what was?
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> tremere: how doesn't it work
[02:51] <IIIEARS> 11 is bleeding edge
[02:51] <xenoxaos> anyone know how to bring the colors back to my terminal,
[02:51] <bob2> xenoxaos: I really doubt they are gone
[02:51] <goldfish> xenoxaos: where did they do?
[02:51] <tremere> HrdwrBoB i am a newbie, so i can't answer that question.  however, when i go to adjust the volume, it says there are not devices to adjust.  something like that.
[02:51] <bob2> xenoxaos: does 'ls --color=auto' print colours?
[02:51] <othernoob> IIIEARS was update-grub er grup-update a typo ? or is that really the command ?
[02:52] <calc> oh yea and what about jpeg support a company is actively suing over that but there is still support for it in ubuntu ;)
[02:52] <othernoob> << new to ubuntu
[02:52] <IIIEARS> "brain fart" grub-update is right
[02:52] <xenoxaos> bob2: yes it does
[02:52] <xenoxaos> but what about kismet?
[02:52] <bob2> xenoxaos: then your terminal is fine
[02:52] <goldfish> tremere: laptop ?
[02:52] <bob2> maybe kismet is broken
[02:52] <IIIEARS> lol
[02:52] <bob2> xenoxaos: kismet_server never uses colour
[02:52] <tremere> goldfish, nope, workstation.
[02:53] <goldfish> hmmmm
[02:53] <HrdwrBoB> tremere: do you know what soundcard it is
[02:53] <xenoxaos> it does when i switch terminals....just not in a window
[02:53] <bob2> xenoxaos: "not in a window"?
[02:53] <hybrid_goth> anyone know of a cli ftp client
[02:53] <bob2> do you mean xterm?
[02:53] <HrdwrBoB> hybrid_goth: yes 'ftp'
[02:53] <bob2> hybrid_goth: ftp, lftp, ncftp
[02:53] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[02:53] <tremere> HrdwrBoB it says CT4740
[02:54] <xenoxaos> i ctrl alt f2 and start kismet, i have colors  (the green boxes) but when i'm in gnome, and start kismet, its monochrome
[02:54] <bob2> perhaps gnome-terminal is crap then
[02:54] <goldfish> change the colour scheme
[02:55] <bob2> also, it would be awesome if you provided essential details like this in your initial question
[02:55] <flex_> is there a way to get Smeg the menu editor to see everything in my menu like the other folder
[02:55] <IIIEARS> othernoob - check the description in synaptic for each kernel carefully - easy to install an smp kernel or other wrong image by mistake
[02:55] <tremere> bob2 who are you talking to?
[02:55] <flex_> i want to add things to the "other" menu
[02:55] <transgress> hey is there a way to remove the LVM stuff from boot?
[02:56] <HrdwrBoB> tremere: can you put the output of lspci on pastebin.com
[02:56] <tremere> HrdwrBoB nope, i have a dialup connection (AOL), the computer in question is the other one.  i can run a command over there, but it would take forever to write in everything that i see at pastebin.com :)
[02:56] <_hp_> is anyone from canonical here?
[02:57] <FR500> hello
[02:57] <bob2> _hp_: why?
[02:57] <FR500> has anyone installed phpgroupware on ubuntu?
[02:57] <bob2> transgress: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/*lvm*
[02:57] <transgress> bob2: thanks
[02:57] <brandonn> FR500: check out #phpgroupware, a couple of people on there have
[02:57] <hybrid_goth> could someone give me a link or rundown on chroot
[02:58] <FR500> ok
[02:58] <bob2> hybrid_goth: you need to be more specific
[02:58] <durin42> can anyone point me to a link that might help get an iPod Shuffle working with ubuntu?
[02:58] <nickrud> _hp_, be brave, they won't cut you ... off
[02:58] <bob2> durin42: install gtk-pod...enjoy
[02:58] <hybrid_goth> bob2: well i have heard ppl running other distros through chroot how do i go about that
[02:58] <tremere> HrdwrBoB lspci shows nothing that would suggest to me that it found the soundcard.
[02:58] <tremere> HrdwrBoB and i'm fairly certain the card works.
[02:59] <bob2> hybrid_goth: talk to the other distro people
[02:59] <nemik> so when i got to networking it tells me eth0 is not configured, any way to configure it?
[02:59] <durin42> bob2: will it mount if you don't have that?
[02:59] <bob2> durin42: I think so
[02:59] <sbcl3> i can't seem to install the ms core fonts. I type "apt-get install msttcorefonts" and get this message: "Package msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:59] <sbcl3> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:59] <sbcl3> is only available from another source
[02:59] <sbcl3> E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate
[02:59] <sbcl3> "
[02:59] <sbcl3> can someone help?
[02:59] <durin42> bob2: hm. then I've got deeper issues.
[03:00] <bob2> sbcl3: enable the multiverse repository
[03:00] <bob2> durin42: i don't know for sure, presumably google knows about it
[03:00] <sbcl3> bob2: okay...
[03:00] <durin42> bob2: kk, thx
[03:00] <tremere> wow, the ubuntu community sucks.  check that off the list.
[03:00] <nickrud> sbcl3, have you looked at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:01] <bob2> and from aol, too
[03:01] <bob2> what a shock
[03:01] <sbcl3> alright, it seems to be working
[03:01] <sbcl3> thanks guys
[03:04] <calc> bob2: those are the kind of people that should stay on windoze ;)
[03:04] <nickrud> so, being nosy, I wonder just how much the pending sarge release is slowing breezy
[03:04] <calc> m$ deserves the money it gets from nitwits
[03:04] <bob2> nickrud: how would it slow it at all?
[03:05] <George__> E3 2005... fukin scary. Games are so real
[03:05] <George__> Can someone help me install cdemu?
[03:05] <nickrud> bob2, that's a better phrasing of my question :)
[03:05] <calc> George__: games are all prerendered movies... ;)
[03:05] <gpled> need a way to burn iso's
[03:05] <sgtkernel> ok guys, now i've installed konqueror, and it absolutely flys in comparison to nautilus on my usb 1.1 hdd. folders that take literally minutes to open in nautilus take less than a second in konqueror. But....i like nautilus way, way better. is there anything i can do to speed it up?
[03:05] <jivera> daniels: ping
[03:05] <calc> George__: at least the ones they have been showing off that get published on sites
[03:06] <George__> yeah i know man... sick i been watching E3 2005.
[03:06] <bob2> "not at all"
[03:06] <Marble2> Okay, can someone help me get traceroute working? I think it's my dns or something, I can get online fine but traceroute just doesn't work
[03:06] <George__> I needa install cdemu how?
[03:06] <bob2> gpled: right click on it in nautilus
[03:06] <Dittohead> I tried to install a .deb but it failed, now whenever I install anything with synaptic is prints this error after each "apply"...how do I make that error go away?
[03:06] <sgtkernel> Marble2, you don't happen to have a cheapo router in between you and what you're traceing to, do you?
[03:06] <nickrud> mind you, I am a very patient user, and will wait for what comes down the pike, and use what works for me
[03:06] <gpled> bob2: it keeps just copying the iso to the cd
[03:06] <daniels> jivera: pong
[03:07] <jivera> daniels: X can't find 'fixed' again. :(
[03:07] <sgtkernel> Marble2, many consumer routers don't behave right with *nix traceroute (but typically do with windows) ...in which case, i suggest tcptraceroute
[03:07] <Marble2> sgtkernel: uh, i'm tracing to google. and a bunch of other sites, it doesn't matter the site. and I've traced on windows before fine, so I don't think it's my router
[03:07] <Marble2> ah
[03:07] <sgtkernel> Marble2, d-link routers in particular don't behave right with them
[03:07] <sgtkernel> Marble2, did you read that i noted that windows works fine through those routers?
[03:07] <Marble2> i have some no-name brand from home depot
[03:08] <Marble2> i had that reply typed before I read your message
[03:08] <sgtkernel> k
[03:08] <sgtkernel> try tcptraceroute
[03:08] <Marble2> installing now
[03:08] <gpled> anyone know of a good program for burning iso's?
[03:08] <bob2> Marble2: "doesn't work"?
[03:08] <bob2> Dittohead: remove the .deb then
[03:08] <Marble2> sgtkernel: same thing
[03:08] <sgtkernel> gpled, nautilus does it...just right click
[03:08] <daniels> jivera: right.  try changing all your FontPath entries in xorg.conf from /usr/lib/X11 to /usr/share/X11
[03:08] <Marble2> bob2: times out every hop paste 192.168.1.1
[03:09] <sgtkernel> Marble2, do you have any other machines behind your router? and/or is it convenient for you to put this machine into your connection without the router in the way?
[03:09] <gpled> sgtkernel: the only option it gives is write to cd.  when i do that, it just copies the file to the cd.
[03:09] <jivera> daniels: Ah, thanks.
[03:10] <bob2> Marble2: maybe your "router" is broken
[03:10] <bob2> Marble2: presumably it's a dlink/linksys thing?
[03:10] <Marble2> sgtkernel: yea I do have other machines, but it is in windows and it wouldn't be convient to bypass the router
[03:10] <Marble2> bob2: leviton i think
[03:10] <bob2> so, some cheap thing
[03:10] <sgtkernel> gpled, um......that's not what that does on my machine. i've used that 'write to cd' option to make bootable cd's from isos.....
[03:10] <bob2> maybe it's blocking icmp
[03:10] <Marble2> my router?
[03:10] <bob2> yeah
[03:10] <sgtkernel> Marble2, what happens when you trace to the windows box?
[03:11] <jivera> daniels: Can I ask what's happening, or are they weird X-specific details and would take too long to explain?
[03:11] <IIIEARS> george_ - linux treats disks like files just mount it as a file mkdir /media/my_game_CD    mount -t 9660 /dev/cdrom /media/my_game_CD - you'll need to do a little checking pretty sure the syntax is only close.
[03:11] <Marble2> greg@Greg:/usr/lib/menu $ traceroute 192.168.1.11
[03:11] <Marble2> traceroute to 192.168.1.11 (192.168.1.11), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
[03:11] <Marble2>  1  192.168.1.11 (192.168.1.11)  0.175 ms  0.113 ms  0.089 ms
[03:11] <sgtkernel> bob2, i figured icmp block too....but he says tcptraceroute does the same thing
[03:11] <Dittohead> bob2, I deleted the .deb but it still farts out the error
[03:11] <IIIEARS> << 3rd week using linux
[03:11] <sgtkernel> Marble2, now, just to clarify, after installing tcptraceroute, you ran 'tcptraceroute'....not just 'traceroute' some more?
[03:12] <Marble2> yes...
[03:12] <bob2> sgtkernel: doesn't tcptraceroute depend on getting icmp timeout exceeded packets back, too?
[03:12] <sgtkernel> ok just making sure
[03:12] <bob2> Dittohead: no, uninstall it
[03:12] <daniels> jivera: just moving stuff around; the symlink was the temporary hack to wait while I uploaded the fonts packages, and this is the long-term one.  once I fix the other fonts packages, I'll put a symlink from /usr/lib/X11/fonts to /usr/share/X11/fonts, and it'll all be set
[03:12] <daniels> jivera: welcome to breezy ;)
[03:12] <sgtkernel> bob2, i didn't think so, i thought the whole point was to work when icmp wouldn't. i know that tcptraceroute works through my d-link, and traceroute doesn't.
[03:13] <bob2000> how do i turn off GDM for good?
[03:13] <jivera> daniels: Oh, I don't mind things acting up occasionally.  You've been pretty responsive in helping me out, and thanks for that. :)
[03:13] <sgtkernel> so does anybody know how i can begin troubleshooting a performance problem with nautilus? folders on my usb 1.1 hard drive take about 2 minutes (no, not seconds) to open....same folders open in a second or less in konqueror
[03:14] <Marble2> anyone have any other solutions?
[03:14] <sgtkernel> Marble2, i still think your router's the problem. the only way to be sure is to try it without the router in the way, inconvenient or no.
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> bob2000: rm /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm
[03:14] <IIIEARS> sgtkernel - hm - interesting - there might be a way to cache the folder tree somewhere. - no?
[03:14] <daniels> jivera: no worries, dude
[03:14] <George__> hey, i got some bin /cues and iso i needa mount how do i?
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> * sudo
[03:15] <bob2> bob2000: a) your nick is annoying, b) sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm
[03:15] <Marble2> it takes me forever to mess with my router
[03:15] <George__> hey, i got some bin /cues and iso i needa mount how do i?
[03:15] <Marble2> i'll do it tomorrow and try it without it then
[03:15] <Dittohead> bob2, OK, It's still erroring out...it's marked for complete removal but when I set it to "unmark" it does nothing.
[03:15] <bob2> George__: use bchunk to convert it to a less useless format
[03:15] <bob2> Dittohead: remove it with dpkg then
[03:15] <bob2> Dittohead: in future, don't install random .debs
[03:15] <Kira> Is it bad if I uninstall firefox 1.0.2 that comes with the distro and install the 1.0.4 from mozilla.org?
[03:15] <George__> bob2 how do install cdemu!
[03:15] <sgtkernel> IIIEARS, well, i don't think konqueror is caching stuff. it certainly seems that nautilus has a problem....i don't think this is normal
[03:15] <Marble2> Kira: no
[03:15] <George__> cdemu can mount
[03:16] <bob2> George__: don't know, don't care
[03:16] <Dittohead> bob2, it's not a random .deb BTW, I'm that stupid.
[03:16] <George__> bob2: k
[03:16] <IIIEARS> George__ - you can "mount"  isos as they are if you include the filetype.
[03:16] <Dittohead> ;)
[03:16] <Kira> Marble2: It seems to be working fine now, except the the mozilla-firefox.png icon is gone.
[03:16] <George__> they're my backup games
[03:16] <George__> how do i "mount" iso
[03:17] <IIIEARS> sgtkernel - interesting question - it wouldn't hurt to cache the tree in ram. -i have mega ram
[03:17] <George__> it's window game so i have cedeega, but cedega is fooked
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/point
[03:17] <George__> ah shot
[03:17] <mrXP> How do I install kickstart?
[03:17] <George__> FREAKEN SH00t
[03:17] <George__> cedega fooked agian
[03:17] <George__> config not found
[03:17] <George__> LOL
[03:17] <George__> now, i can lose my temper
[03:19] <nickrud> Dittohead, try looking at the deb through aptitude, you may see the problem
[03:19] <IIIEARS> George__ - don't panic there is a way to do what you want to do even if a newb (me) doesn't have an answer.
[03:19] <abiertos> resiak: it's good to see you
[03:19] <abiertos> resiak: how are you?
[03:20] <resiak> abiertos: Not so bad. I'm trying to place your name...
[03:20] <abiertos> resiak: I don't understand
[03:20] <mrXP>  The kickstart file is a simple text file <---where in Ubuntu can I find this sample file?
[03:20] <JaZy15> is there a ppc specfic channel?
[03:21] <Kira> Anyway, how do I get back the firefox png icon?
[03:21] <resiak> abiertos: I'm trying to remember what we last spoke about ...  Oh, root stuffs?
[03:21] <abiertos> resiak: that's is
[03:21] <resiak> abiertos: Got you. How're you?
[03:21] <Dittohead> nickrud, bob2: thanks for the help, I've got to go though...I'll be back If I can't get it to work
[03:21] <abiertos> resiak: fine
[03:22] <resiak> abiertos: Cool.
[03:22] <sgtkernel> ok, this is ridiculous. in konqueror, all my movie files want to open with totem. i want them to open in xine. so i right click, go to 'properties', click on the wrench, and set xine as the default application. but it still opens totem....and when i go back and do the same thing, my changes didn't take effect! WTF?! i'm hitting apply and everything, and it gives an "updating system configuration" progress bar and the works
[03:24] <abiertos> resiak: you believe, that I could use the same trick you gave me for a power pc?
[03:24] <jah_raztah> Hi I just recently got the new ubunutu install cds from maila nd i installed it... I had to format my old windows xp and installed over it, but i also have two other partitions, one NTFS and other is FAT 32
[03:24] <resiak> abiertos: Well, the bootloader is different, but other than that I assume so.
[03:24] <jah_raztah> How do i access those in ubunutu
[03:25] <resiak> abiertos: So the exact keystrokes you use to add init=/bin/sh to the kernel line will be different, but aside from that it should all be the same.
[03:25] <abiertos> resiak: what can I do in that case?
[03:25] <jah_raztah> like in windows there's My Computer and shows all the partitions
[03:25] <a_monkey> no one in #e seems to know the answer or care to answer me or see my question, so i'm asking here:
[03:25] <a_monkey> anyone know of the most speedy and effecient rendering backend i should compile evas against if i'm using the "ati" driver w/ xorg?
[03:26] <resiak> abiertos: You can play with the bootloader to try to figure out how to append that option. ;-) I have no idea, since I have no PPCs.
[03:26] <abiertos> resiak: the problem is that the power pc boot loader dont admit modifications before linux load
[03:26] <nickrud> a_monkey, ask on #e again in a different time zone :)
[03:26] <George__> i tyring to install cd emu but i dont get wtf this means  /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build/includ
[03:26] <a_monkey> nickrud: lol
[03:26] <George__> you need the source of your current running kernel.
[03:26] <George__> /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build/include needs to point at it.
[03:26] <George__> what this mean?
[03:26] <resiak> abiertos: It _must_ do.
[03:26] <nickrud> a_monkey, best advice I got :P
[03:27] <George__> does anyone know?
[03:28] <a_monkey> resiak: how do you underline text in irc, anyways?
[03:28] <g14> After installing a driver using ndiswrapper-utils, and setting it to a PCIID what else needs to be done?
[03:29] <nibblesmx> g14, try ndiswrapper -l to see if it was installed succesfully
[03:29] <jah_raztah> does anyone have a solution for this problem i have?
[03:29] <jah_raztah> regarding where I locate my other partitions in Ubuntu
[03:30] <nibblesmx> should say something like: "your-driver-here present, hardware present"
[03:30] <abiertos> resiak: you believe that is possible enable init=/bin/sh without modify the bootloader
[03:30] <^thehatsrule^> ctrl u for underline... depending on client
[03:30] <^thehatsrule^> like this
[03:30] <resiak> a_monkey: _Foo_.
[03:30] <resiak> ^thehatsrule^: No, that's _bad_. Just use underscores like Real People(TM).
[03:30] <^thehatsrule^> Lol
[03:31] <resiak> abiertos: Yes, I do, and if it isn't I will stab the person who wrote such a useless bootloader.
[03:31] <abiertos> resiak: how I could know what bootloader I'm using
[03:31] <a_monkey> foo
[03:31] <resiak> abiertos: It's probably yaboot. I don't know if there's a PPC-specific Ubuntu channel, but if there is you're best off asking there.
[03:32] <a_monkey> #ubuntu-ppc
[03:32] <mrXP> How many partitions do I need to install Ubuntu?
[03:32] <Razor-X> mrXP: 2
[03:32] <seth_> You can tell it to partition for you.
[03:32] <Razor-X> yeah, it's more convenient to have Ubuntu partition for you
[03:32] <a_monkey> abiertos: and yes, you use "yaboot" if you're on a ppc
[03:33] <g14> nibblesmx: Yes, it said driver installed, hardware present
[03:33] <seth_> What is a good UI program for scannig for APs?
[03:33] <mrXP> Razor-Xi I am using kickstart to create the partions manually do you the Sizes of each partion?
[03:33] <nibblesmx> great
[03:33] <abiertos> a_monkey:bingo is that
[03:33] <Razor-X> mrXP: what's the hardware specs?
[03:34] <nibblesmx> g14, try 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper'
[03:34] <a_monkey> abiertos: huh??
[03:34] <g14> nibblesmx: I did that and it says operation not permitted? I'm stumped here
[03:34] <abiertos> a_monkey:you believe that I could edit the yaboot load options before linux load?
[03:34] <g14> nibblesmx: I'm doing tech support for a buddy sitting here
[03:34] <abiertos> a_monkey:what do you think?
[03:34] <mrXP> Razor-X I have an AMD 3000+ I am using a slave HD 30gigs
[03:34] <Razor-X> mrXP: RAM?
[03:35] <mrXP> 1 gig
[03:35] <a_monkey> abiertos: not sure
[03:35] <Razor-X> ok then
[03:35] <abiertos> a_monkey:yes or not
[03:35] <nibblesmx> g14, that's because youre not executing 'modprobe ndiswrapper' as root
[03:35] <a_monkey> abiertos: i don't know
[03:35] <Razor-X> try 29 Gig ext3 and 1 GB swap partition
[03:35] <mrXP> thanks
[03:35] <abiertos> resiak: yaboot, you know something about that
[03:36] <resiak> abiertos: Nothing at all, apart from a name :)
[03:36] <g14> nibblesmx: My buddy is doing it from a root terminal
[03:36] <resiak> abiertos: Google probably knows.
[03:36] <Razor-X> 6 hours until something firishes!
[03:36] <g14> nibblesmx: ala sudo -s
[03:36] <abiertos> resiak: uhmmmmmm
[03:36] <abiertos> resiak: I'll try
[03:37] <Razor-X> I wonder how many Ubuntu/Kubuntu users here use a trackball...
[03:37] <nibblesmx> g14, that should work, no message should be printed on the screen
[03:37] <mrXP> Razor-X do know if Ubuntu has any application to modafy packages?
[03:37] <isag1> bob2:now i can play mp3.  u r the man.  i'm new to linux and still trying all these kde live cds, and ubuntu.  so far ubuntu looks to be my fav.
[03:37] <g14> nibblesmx: He tried modprobe ndiswrapper again and now that terminal is frozen
[03:37] <abiertos> a_monkey: you believe, that I could give parameters to yaboot before linux load or something like?
[03:37] <Razor-X> mrXP: you mean, modify the default install packages?
[03:37] <hybrid_goth> anyone here have twibright links installed?
[03:37] <g14> nibblesmx: And now the whole system is frozen :) Hard reboot time
[03:39] <mrXP> No things such as Adobe Reader for example the Yahoo Search button in the adobe menu?
[03:39] <nibblesmx> g14, that is certainly not good
[03:39] <seth_> What is a good UI program for scannig for APs?
[03:39] <aneurin> what software is there to burn audio CDs with ubuntu as cdrecord doesn't support TAO on my install?
[03:39] <nibblesmx> g14, try opening a new terminal and writing sudo ndiswrapper -m, and then reboot the machine
[03:40] <seth_> aneurin, gnomebaker
[03:40] <mrXP> Razor-X No things such as Adobe Reader for example the Yahoo Search button in the adobe menu?
[03:40] <g14> nibblesmx: The system froze. I couldn't even switch to another vt
[03:40] <aneurin> also, gnome-baker can't write on the fly, which is useless as I'm running out of diskspace
[03:40] <Razor-X> mryXP: I don't think so
[03:40] <nibblesmx> g14, not even non-graphical terminals?
[03:40] <seth_> gnomebaker can't write on the fly? That explains why it takes so long to burn.
[03:40] <aneurin> no shit
[03:41] <aneurin> :)
[03:41] <g14> nibblesmx: The whole system froze when he did modprobe ndiswrapper. I'm going to look in the messages log and then try ndiswrapper -m
[03:41] <hybrid_goth> i am tryin to install twibright links and it say i dont have libpng so i d/l it now where do i put it?
[03:41] <nibblesmx> ok
[03:41] <nibblesmx> g14, good luck :)
[03:41] <mrXP> Razor-X or example in Windows XP you can hide some of those buttons using the register I wander if it would be possible to do it in Linux?
[03:41] <Razor-X> mrXP: you can, but I don't think Ubuntu is the install you want then
[03:41] <aneurin> seth_, any other ideas?
[03:42] <Razor-X> I hear some ohter distros have some pretty kickass kickstart options
[03:42] <mrXP> Razor-X wich one would it be then?
[03:42] <Razor-X> mmmm.....
[03:42] <seth_> aneurin, not off the top of my head.
[03:42] <Razor-X> not really sure....
[03:42] <seth_> Give me a sec.
[03:43] <Razor-X> wait, do you mean desktop buttons?
[03:43] <g14> nibblesmx: sudo ndiswrapper -m says "modprobe config already contains alias directive"
[03:43] <stevenj> I have a SB Audigy card (sound) -- I set up totem-xine+mozplugger; however, should I set System --> Multimedia Systems Selector to ALSA for output and input source???
[03:44] <nibblesmx> g14, try writing 'iwconfig' and if you the entry for wlan0 then youre wireless card is already installed
[03:44] <seth_> aneurin, you try groaster?
[03:44] <mrXP> Razor=X when u open a pdf file don't you see a yahoo search buuton up in the menu bar?
[03:44] <stevenj> I think the default was ESD for output and OSS for input
[03:44] <hybrid_goth> anyone know where i need to put my libpng?
[03:44] <hybrid_goth> ?
[03:44] <aneurin> i'll try it if this doesn't work
[03:45] <aneurin> man gnomebaker sucks
[03:45] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: shouldn't apt-get do that for you?
[03:45] <Razor-X> mrXP: I don't think Ubuntu even has teh Yahoo search bar
[03:45] <Razor-X> *the
[03:45] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: i apt-get install libpng and got nothin
[03:45] <stevenj> aneurin, works for me
[03:45] <g14> nibblesmx: I know networking man :) There isn't a wireless interface available
[03:45] <aneurin> stevenj, writes audio cds on the fly?
[03:45] <aneurin> instead of having to rip the mp3 to wav first
[03:45] <mrXP> Razor-X Ubuntu doesn't have who has the button is the Adobe reader..
[03:45] <aneurin> what version are you using???
[03:45] <nibblesmx> g14, then you probably arent using the right drivers, i had the exact same problem.
[03:45] <g14> nibblesmx: lsmod | grep ndiswrapper doesn't show anything. Trying modprobe ndiswrapper again
[03:46] <g14> nibblesmx: Ok, thanks
[03:46] <stevenj> aneurin, guess I'm just happy it writes
[03:46] <aneurin> haha ok
[03:46] <mrXP> Razor-X is a button in the Adobe's Menu
[03:46] <Razor-X> mrXP: First of all, if using Kubuntu, there is no Adobe Reader, but I don't think the Ubuntu adobe package comes with the search bar
[03:46] <aneurin> stevenj, been using ubuntu long?
[03:46] <mrXP> exactly
[03:47] <Razor-X> in Kubuntu, you get KPDF, which is a pretty KDE integrated software
[03:47] <Razor-X> or, you can even use XPDF
[03:47] <stevenj> aneurin, about a month a guess-set it up on my GF computer too.  Now that I got aMule and audio working she is happy
[03:47] <aneurin> fair cop man
[03:47] <mrXP> Razor-X the package has de button and in Windowx xp u use the register to hide or remove it
[03:48] <aneurin> amule works pretty well
[03:48] <Razor-X> mrXP: there is know "Register" button in the Linux version
[03:48] <aneurin> just a bit lame that i have to wait 10x as long to write an audio cd than in windows (or a decent debian install)
[03:48] <Razor-X> *no
[03:48] <mrXP> Razor-X doesn't linux have somekind of application to change or add settings?
[03:48] <Razor-X> it does, but, Adobe doesen't come with ads, in it's Linux version
[03:48] <stevenj> aneurin, only think I cant figure out is should I set ALSA or ESD Multimedia Systems Selector for output / input
[03:49] <mrXP> yes it does
[03:49] <aneurin> stevenj, alsa
[03:49] <Razor-X> not in Linux, I don't think
[03:49] <IIIEARS> aneurin - did you check your dma setting for the drive?
[03:49] <stevenj> aneurin, both seem to work
[03:49] <aneurin> no-ones used esd since '98 or so ;)
[03:49] <stevenj> aneurin, thanks
[03:49] <aneurin> IIIEARS, with hdparm ?
[03:49] <Razor-X> well, people, help me out here, does Acrobat Reader in Ubuntu come with the annoying register button?
[03:49] <aneurin> IIIEARS, its off at the moment i just checked
[03:50] <aneurin> although
[03:50] <nickrud> mrXP, linux based distros will aways be behind the proprietrary formats, by definition. It's a  question of what ubuntu or other distros offers, against you r needs
[03:50] <aneurin> that wouldn't make a difference
[03:50] <IIIEARS> (sheepish grin) only been at this 3 weeks - sounds like the right command to me.
[03:50] <mrXP> Razor-X wait letme install adobe
[03:50] <aneurin> because it still has to make wavs of the mp3s first
[03:50] <aneurin> instead of just decoding on the fly
[03:50] <stevenj> I love linux/ubuntu now that I got totem-xine streaming everything on the net :)
[03:51] <Razor-X> stevenj: I prefer VLC to that ;)
[03:51] <aneurin> stevenj, works fairly well i guess
[03:51] <IIIEARS> aneurin - how do you check it? - How do i enable/disable dma?
[03:51] <aneurin> IIIEARS, hdparm -d 0/1 <device>
[03:51] <Razor-X> there needs to be some Linux burners that can do on-the-fly burning, it's hellishly annoying
[03:51] <stevenj> Razor-X, have not tried it...I suppose it has controls during a stream which mozplugger/totem-xi does not :( but at least it plays apple movies
[03:52] <aneurin> where 0 is off and 1 is on
[03:52] <Razor-X> setevenj: heh
[03:52] <Razor-X> for me, it's convenient, and I've always been a fan of VLC
[03:52] <aneurin> Razor-X, dude, you used to be able to do it
[03:52] <IIIEARS> Sounds good lsmod | grep dma   ???
[03:52] <aneurin> before the guy fucked up cdrecord
[03:52] <count0nz> if i want to work on adding more packages is it better for me to work on breezy or hoary ? going to start packageing TV apps and some games and things
[03:52] <Razor-X> aneurin: eh, why?
[03:52] <aneurin> IIIEARS, nope
[03:52] <stevenj> I'll check it out (vlc)
[03:52] <aneurin> Razor-X, 'cos he's a dick of a programmer ;)
[03:52] <Razor-X> hehe
[03:53] <Razor-X> then shouldn't they try and use older versions of cdrecord?
[03:53] <aneurin> Razor-X, you used to be able to do just mpg123 and pipe it to cdrecord
[03:53] <IIIEARS> lol - being new google is my best friend. - grin.   brb
[03:53] <aneurin> Razor-X, have to use an older kernel too
[03:53] <Razor-X> or, create a project fork?
[03:53] <aneurin> old cdrecord relied on ide-scsi
[03:53] <aneurin> they got rid of that
[03:53] <aneurin> you're :completely: ok if you have a scsi burner
[03:53] <aneurin> but who has one of those nowadays?
[03:53] <aneurin> ;)
[03:53] <Razor-X> yeah, we all have those ;)
[03:54] <nickrud> lo
[03:54] <Razor-X> 6 hours till something finishes downloading!
[03:55] <Razor-X> err, scratch that, 5 hours
[03:55] <g14> aneurin: I don't think ubuntu enables DMA by default on cdrom drives
[03:55] <aneurin> g14, probably doesn't
[03:55] <aneurin> g14, you can enable it i just haven't bothered yet
[03:55] <IIIEARS> Razor-X - creating 10gigs of Ubuntu mirror?
[03:55] <aneurin> this is a fresh install
[03:55] <Razor-X> IIIEARS: nope ;)
[03:55] <stevenj> linux would be complete if I could apt-get BitPim  ;)  not good enough with linux to convert a RPM and then install it
[03:55] <aneurin> i just wanted to write a cd quickly for a mate
[03:56] <bob2_> stevenj: is it free software?
[03:56] <nickrud> stevenj, make sure there is no deb of bitpim, then think of alien
[03:57] <stevenj> bob2,  yes its free open source cell phone software
[03:57] <drcode> hi all
[03:57] <bob2_> stevenj: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU and ask them to package it!
[03:58] <stevenj> bob2_, thanks
[03:59] <count0nz> is universe tested in breezy 1st?
[03:59] <bob2_> no
[03:59] <CarlK> stevenj - I am interested in voip things - url of bitpim?
[03:59] <bob2_> universe is just a different section of the archive
[03:59] <count0nz> ok so i can package stuff up and submit to universe
[03:59] <stevenj> CarlK, http://bitpim.sourceforge.net/
[03:59] <CarlK> thanks
[03:59] <bob2_> right, but it will never get into hoary
[03:59] <count0nz> thanks ignore my questen on -devel
[03:59] <Razor-X> woohoo! 4 hrs remaining!!!!
[04:00] <nickrud> Razor-X, just how slow are you :)
[04:00] <stevenj> CarlK, I use it with a LG cell phone---only used in windows xp though...have not tried in linux...it works perfect though
[04:00] <Razor-X> nickrud: it's not my fault, blame Windows
[04:00] <CarlK> ahh, that kind of phone.. sorry, totaly missed it
[04:00] <Razor-X> and it's not going that slow, actually
[04:00] <CarlK> I was thinking like linphone or kphone
[04:01] <stevenj> so there is a deb package that communicates with cell phones?
[04:01] <CarlK> or the new voip system: yate
[04:01] <count0nz> so if i want to do serious development i shuld be in breezy :) i want to work on a Thin Client Project based on Ubutu :)
[04:01] <nickrud> Razor-X, if you're not using wget, you're wasting your bandwidth
[04:01] <aneurin> stevenj, gnokii
[04:01] <aneurin> iirc
[04:01] <bob2_> stevenj: sure
[04:01] <aneurin> but only for nokia phones
[04:01] <Razor-X> nickrud: this isn't wgetable ;)
[04:01] <bob2_> count0nz: no
[04:01] <stevenj> hmm mine is LG
[04:02] <bob2_> count0nz: if you have to ask, please don't use breezy.  hoary is fine to develop on for now
[04:02] <stevenj> I'll search around
[04:02] <mrXP> Razor-X the button I was talking about is the (search the internet using yahoo) like I said in windows xp u use the register to hide the button so I wander if it is pissble to do it in Linux...
[04:02] <nickrud> Razor-X, ok, I bow to the obtusness of windows
[04:02] <g14> nibblesmx: You were right, my buddy was using the wrong .inf file. THanks
[04:02] <count0nz> LOL i've been useing unix for 20 years so not afraid of brakage :)
[04:02] <Razor-X> mrXP: It's not there in the Linux version
[04:02] <Razor-X> nickrud: I can't wget it, even in Windows
[04:02] <Razor-X> it's just not something wgetable
[04:03] <bob2_> count0nz: do you know how to recover if pam is broken?  or if X gets confused by a missing symlink?
[04:03] <wesw> wgetaboutit
[04:03] <nickrud> Razor-X, I do believe you , its' windows :)
[04:03] <CarlK> count0nz -  go for breezy as long as you are willing to solve the prolbem, not be a problem ;)
[04:03] <Razor-X> count0nz: i'ld be interested to help you on a Live CD project
[04:03] <count0nz> And Thanks for your Time bob2
[04:03] <mrXP> I just install Adobe and I am looking at the button right now
[04:03] <count0nz> Razor-X, krel
[04:03] <count0nz> Razor-X, kewl even...
[04:03] <Razor-X> nickrud: heh, well, i'm not giving Windows anything up here, but, even in Linux, it's not possible
[04:03] <Razor-X> mrXP: the linux version?
[04:03] <mrXP> Razor=X I just installed Adobe and I am looking at the button right now
[04:04] <darkaudit> Quentin Tarantino is a right bastard... :)
[04:04] <mrXP> Razor=X yes I am using ubuntu
[04:04] <Razor-X> ahhhh
[04:04] <count0nz> cos a Thinn Client can run via netboot / CD etc and that is what i am intrested in also
[04:04] <Razor-X> then, use XPDF
[04:04] <Razor-X> instead of Adobe
[04:04] <hybrid_goth> yes
[04:04] <nickrud> Razor-X, ok, I'll bite: who's the offender?
[04:04] <Razor-X> it's nice, and non-proprietary
[04:04] <count0nz> Flash etc...
[04:04] <hybrid_goth> no
[04:04] <Razor-X> nickrud: it's 'something'
[04:04] <hybrid_goth> D@!*
[04:04] <Razor-X> something for the sake of I can't say in this channel ;)
[04:05] <count0nz> have some pc's here without hdd's to test on also
[04:05] <Razor-X> I would love to test a Live CD Thin Client distro out
[04:05] <mrXP> Razor=X How can I install XPDF and how can I remove Adobe sorry I am new using Linux...
[04:05] <IIIEARS> << just hacked firefox user agent string using:config  -  ("Win 98" is a blast - lol)
[04:05] <Razor-X> mrXP: you used apt-get to get Adobe, right?
[04:05] <nickrud> ah, been there, although I'm supposed to be ashamed of myself :)
[04:05] <count0nz> :) windows 94 :)
[04:05] <mrXP> Razor=X correct
[04:06] <Razor-X> try apt-get remove adobe-package-name
[04:06] <dabaSlon> sudo in front.
[04:06] <Razor-X> substitute adobe-package-name with the name of the package you used to download adobe
[04:06] <dabaSlon> then, sudo apt-get install xpdf
[04:06] <CarlK> count0nz - I have been messing with net booting the install: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[04:06] <Razor-X> ah yeah, sudo in front
[04:06] <Razor-X> always forget that -_-
[04:06] <dabaSlon> hey, razor:)
[04:06] <dabaSlon> how you doin?
[04:06] <Razor-X> hallo dabaSlon!
[04:06] <Razor-X> i'm good
[04:06] <dabaSlon> good, good.
[04:06] <Razor-X> i'm downloading 'something'
[04:06] <Razor-X> and it's just 4 hours away
[04:06] <wesw> google for "ubuntusetup.sh" for cool base install to include multimedia and acrobat 7
[04:07] <count0nz> kewl
[04:07] <wesw> make sure to make a minor change to acrobat in code
[04:07] <CarlK> count0nz - any idea how to get a dhcp client (any of them) to echo out everything they get from the server?
[04:07] <count0nz> i have some apps i'll start packageing tonight also...
[04:07] <count0nz> CarlK, just hack source :)
[04:07] <bob2_> CarlK: dhclient does that by default...
[04:08] <Razor-X> mmmm, I love my trackball ;)
[04:08] <dabaSlon> I decided...I am gonna make a distro, that includes vlc, nero, and acrobat reader, and if anyone knows a\other good programs that could be in the list, please let me klnow.
[04:08] <Razor-X> KDE ;)
[04:08] <Razor-X> XFce
[04:08] <bob2_> dabaSlon: er, you can't do that
[04:08] <Razor-X> Azureus
[04:08] <Razor-X> VisualBoyAdvance-SDL
[04:09] <Razor-X> SDL ;)
[04:09] <dabaSlon> no, just apps, and yes, I guess I hacve to tweak the gui to look like windows exactly.
[04:09] <Razor-X> NetHack
[04:09] <wesw> anyone have success setting up anon access to wuftp?
[04:09] <bob2_> dabaSlon: nero is commercial software, are you going to pay them for each copy?
[04:09] <Razor-X> ohhh, just apps
[04:09] <Razor-X> mmmm......
[04:09] <bob2_> wesw: use a better ftp server like vsftpd.
[04:09] <count0nz> i have had it running quite nice with gentoo but whuld rather use Ubuntu
[04:09] <mrXP> Razor-X how can I install the mozilla Plug-in the same way I install the plug-in from Adobe?
[04:09] <wesw> bob2, trying to keep it webmin compatabile...proftpd any better?
[04:09] <Razor-X> hmmmm....
[04:09] <Razor-X> not sure here
[04:10] <bob2_> wesw: hm, it at least works by default, yeah
[04:10] <dabaSlon> bob2_: yeah, I know, I am not really going to...but, you know, ppl come to the channel, or, whatever, there are ppl using these programs out there....they get their linux, and then they install vlc, nero, and acrobat reader:)
[04:10] <Razor-X> dabaSlon: how do you get the mozilla xpdf plugin?
[04:10] <darkaudit> dabaSlon: same box, same media, k3b kicks nero's ass
[04:10] <wesw> bob2, thanks, will try that...off to apt....
[04:10] <bob2_> I've never seen anyone install nero on linux
[04:10] <Razor-X> dabaSlon: I don't think we should dumb down Linux _too_ much
[04:10] <dabaSlon> heh, Razor-X, I dont use mozilla, that is another program that would be included in my distro...
[04:10] <Razor-X> darkaudit: amen to that ;)
[04:11] <Razor-X> I myself don't use it either
[04:11] <Razor-X> nor do I use Firefox
[04:11] <wesw> bob2, no friggin way...even ubuntu packaged!  doh!
[04:11] <Razor-X> I use Konqueror and Opera
[04:11] <bob2_> wesw: but of course!
[04:11] <dabaSlon> right, actrually, my issue is an atitude issue. Off course the first thing a person that installs linux does is go for familiar programs...
[04:11] <darkaudit> bob2_: box used to be a dual boot... nero DVDs @ 16x were full of smudges, smears, and scorches... k3b had nearly no problems
[04:12] <Razor-X> o_O
[04:12] <Razor-X> only 3 hours!!!!
[04:12] <mindspore> I'm having trouble accessing my proftpd server from a remote pc.. i can connect fine locally, does ubuntu have a firewall by default that could be blocking remote accees to port 21?
[04:12] <dabaSlon> an hour went by that fast, razor?
[04:12] <bob2_> mindspore: no, it doesn't
[04:12] <Razor-X> mindspore: not by default, nope
[04:12] <count0nz> working name for my little project is Bantu meaning : Magic takes a major central role in Bantu belief, with good and bad influence. They often saw a manifestation of the souls of deceased ancestors in ceremonies. The Bantu believed the separation from body and spirit after death.
[04:12] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: _crash_
[04:13] <Razor-X> dabaSlon: in the download world, yes ;)
[04:13] <blazaah> what do you type to unrar a rar archive in a terminal?
[04:13] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: don't even _say_ that word -_-
[04:13] <bob2_> mindspore: if you're behind a "router", that would be why
[04:13] <bob2_> blazaah: with unrar
[04:13] <Razor-X> although, I colud resume it ;)
[04:13] <mrXP> Razor-X mmm I don't see the shortcut for xpdf..
[04:13] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: power failure
[04:13] <mindspore> bob2_, yeah but i've forwarded the ports
[04:13] <nickrud> blazaah, unrar e
[04:13] <Razor-X> mrXP: you'll have to make one yourself
[04:13] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: stop scaring me -_-
[04:13] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: you goin to put it on a site an let me d/l it?
[04:13] <hybrid_goth> lol
[04:13] <bob2_> mindspore: yes, but that doesn't work for ftp
[04:13] <mindspore> bob2_, enabled dmz, and disabled its' firewall
[04:13] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: hell yeah
[04:13] <darkaudit> blazaah: unrar with nothing else gives a list of options
[04:13] <mrXP> Razor-X how?
[04:13] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: can i msg you?
[04:13] <blazaah> k tnx guys
[04:14] <Razor-X> i'll put it on my FTP, just remember to tunnel through SSH
[04:14] <mindspore> bob2_, what do you mean forwarding ports doesn't work for ftp?
[04:14] <dabaSlon> whacha getting, Razor-X?
[04:14] <blazaah> used the e its working
[04:14] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: go ahead
[04:14] <Razor-X> dabaSlon: Sta *cough*
[04:14] <bob2_> mindspore: do you know how ftp works?  it uses two connections, one for control and one for data.
[04:14] <bob2_> mindspore: the server connects out to the client to send the data, which doesn't work if the client is behind a firewall
[04:14] <mindspore> bob2_, well from what i read it uses port 20 for data, and 21 for control.. so why wouldn't forwarding those two ports, plus a range for passive work?
[04:14] <wesw> bob2,vsftpd= "500 oops:  could not bind to listening ipv4 socket"  any ideas?
[04:14] <darkaudit> Razor-X: you mean that, um, item the BBC page was talking about this afternoon?
[04:14] <bob2_> wesw: you still have wuftp listening
[04:14] <dabaSlon> blazaah: excellent, let me blazaah one in that name...
[04:15] <wesw> bob2, thanks!
[04:15] <blazaah> hehe
[04:15] <dabaSlon> sta.....a..a.....
[04:15] <mindspore> bob2_, anyway, do you have a solution?
[04:15] <Razor-X> darkaudit: mmhmmm
[04:15] <dabaSlon> star...star...
[04:15] <dabaSlon> ???
[04:15] <bob2_> mindspore: don't use ftp
[04:15] <bob2_> mindspore: or get a better router
[04:15] <darkaudit> Razor-X: ;)
[04:15] <mindspore> bob2_, it's a linksys wrt54g
[04:15] <bob2_> mindspore: or forward the ports and accept that the clients won't be able to connect if they're behind a firewall
[04:16] <sbcl3> i just installed about 30 libraries with synaptic, any way for me to delete all of them easily?
[04:16] <mindspore> bob2_, i cannot connect from a remote pc even if there is no firewall
[04:16] <dabaSlon> mindspore: oh, that one, well off course it dont work...:)
[04:16] <Razor-X> darkaudit: told you I was downloading 'something' ;)
[04:16] <bob2_> mindspore: the other pc is on the internet with no router or anything in front of it?
[04:16] <darkaudit> Razor-X: got it... and got it ;)
[04:16] <mindspore> bob2_, yes
[04:16] <dabaSlon> what is it in the end, Razor-X?? I never figured it out, give me another letter.
[04:16] <Razor-X> dabaSlon: bananna
[04:16] <bob2_> mindspore: are you connecting in passive mode?
[04:17] <bob2_> that won't work
[04:17] <dabaSlon> banana?
[04:17] <dabaSlon> :_
[04:17] <bob2_> aiui
[04:17] <Razor-X> yeahp
[04:17] <mindspore> bob2_, i've tried both active and passive
[04:17] <bob2_> mindspore: ok
[04:18] <mindspore> bob2_, i get no route to host either way
[04:18] <bob2_> ok
[04:18] <dabaSlon> mindspore: what I would do...
[04:18] <mindspore> bob2_, and even behind a firewall i can connect to ftp servers running on linux, behing routers
[04:18] <Razor-X> for some reason I keep saying "Je reviens chez toi"
[04:19] <mindspore> so.. there must be a way
[04:19] <Razor-X> it's annoying -_-
[04:19] <bob2_> of course there's a way
[04:19] <bob2_> you need the "router" to understand ftp and forward it properly
[04:19] <dabaSlon> mindspore: just try ftp-ing from the same computer, byut use the IP address.
[04:19] <dabaSlon> mindspore: tried that?
[04:19] <mindspore> that works
[04:19] <jansen> how to change the bz2 to deb package?
[04:19] <bob2_> jansen: you don't
[04:19] <dabaSlon> k, good, so the router is doing its job, right, bob?
[04:19] <dabaSlon> jansen: you unzip it.
[04:20] <CarlK> bob2_ - dhclient doesn't echo everything - my config has option host-name "nohostname", and the ubuntu isntaller will default to that (so the server is sending it out)
[04:20] <jansen> bob2_ yep
[04:20] <bob2_> CarlK: ok
[04:20] <CarlK> and the man page for dhclient sucks ;)
[04:20] <blazaah> any way to burn a dvd image in ubuntu?
[04:20] <jansen> but i wanna install the azureus
[04:20] <bob2_> blazaah: of course...
[04:20] <bob2_> jansen: so unpack it an drun it
[04:20] <dabaSlon> blazaah: wait, man, Im not done the first...
[04:20] <dabaSlon> hah
[04:20] <blazaah> cant find a way in gnome baker     bob2_
[04:20] <dabaSlon> blazaah: you can use a program called gnome-baker.
[04:21] <blazaah> dabaSlon, hehe
[04:21] <jansen> bob2_ i cant find it in the apt-cache search azureus
[04:21] <bob2_> maybe gnomebaker sucks then
[04:21] <bob2_> jansen: yes, I know
[04:21] <bob2_> azurues isn't in ubuntu
[04:21] <jansen> bob2_ i'm using the hoary source
[04:21] <bob2_> it needs silly non-free java
[04:21] <dabaSlon> blazaah: sudo apt-get install gnomebaker :)
[04:21] <blazaah> dabaSlon, ive got gnome backer open...dont see dvd image...just cd
[04:21] <jansen> i had installed the j2sdk & j2re
[04:21] <dabaSlon> blazaah: however weird taht sounds at this point.
[04:21] <bob2_> if you want it in ubuntu, talk to sun and ask them to release java under a sane license
[04:21] <bob2_> jansen: yes, that won't make it appear in ubuntu
[04:21] <nickrud> bob2_, lol
[04:21] <bob2_> jansen: get the tarball from their site and follow the instructions
[04:21] <hybrid_goth> bob2_: heh
[04:22] <blazaah> dabaSlon, only option i see is burn cd image...no dvd :(
[04:22] <dabaSlon> mine dont even open, just crashes on startup, sory, not a cd burning type a guy, I guess.
[04:22] <jansen> bob2_ thx
[04:22] <dabaSlon> someone is bound to know, tho.
[04:22] <darkaudit> jansen: azureus is in backports... but you can just dl from the Azureus site and extract to your home dir...
[04:22] <hybrid_goth> bob2_: sane liscence is that like creative commons? :P or pripority?
[04:22] <bob2_> blazaah: right clicking on an iso and selcting write to cd should be enough
[04:22] <whyameye> I'm having some permission problems with ubuntu
[04:22] <blazaah> bob2_   k tnx
[04:22] <bob2_> hybrid_goth: like GPL or BSD, most of the creative commons licenses are non-free, unfortunately
[04:23] <bob2_> whyameye: you need to be more specific
[04:23] <hybrid_goth> bob2_: i know i was kiddin
[04:23] <darkaudit> jansen: as long as you have java installed, you just need to run ./azureus from that dir
[04:23] <jansen> darkaudit yep
[04:23] <wesw> bob2, still get the same can't bind to listening ipv4 socket with vsftpd after doing init 1 and back, any other ideas as wuftpd is uninstalled?
[04:23] <hybrid_goth> i dont like BSD as a developer
[04:23] <bob2_> wesw: sudo netstat -plunt | grep 21
[04:23] <bob2_> wesw: what does it print (don't paste more than 3 lines here)
[04:23] <wesw> bob2, thanks.
[04:23] <darkaudit> I'd rather do that, because Azureus will update itself from upstream automagically
[04:24] <dabaSlon> jansen: java -version.
[04:24] <whyameye> when I try to execute a script, I get bash: Permission denied. If I execute the script by typing /bin/bash in front, it works. I'm logged in as root
[04:24] <jansen> i'm using the gnome bittorrent i dont like it
[04:24] <dabaSlon> jansen: figured out?
[04:24] <wesw> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:40421           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     7043/portsentry
[04:24] <wesw> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:21              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     6560/inetd
[04:24] <wesw> udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:54321           0.0.0.0:*                          7047/portsentry
[04:24] <wesw> ....PORTSENTRY PROBLEM...uninstalling now
[04:24] <dabaSlon> right, again, another of my distro type of programs...
[04:24] <bob2_> whyameye: a) don't log in as root, b) chmod a+x blah, where blah is the script
[04:24] <jansen> dabaSlon java version "1.5.0_01"
[04:24] <jansen> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_01-b08)
[04:24] <jansen> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_01-b08, mixed mode, sharing)
[04:25] <seth_> What is a good UI program for scannig for APs?
[04:25] <Razor-X> "Banannas in Pajamas!!!"
[04:25] <bob2_> seth_: kismet
[04:25] <whyameye> bob2_, all the permissions are set correctly already.
[04:25] <dabaSlon> sweet, java 5:) so, is everything working, jansen?
[04:25] <darkaudit> jansen: azureus.sourceforge.net and get the GTK version
[04:25] <bob2_> whyameye: ls -ld blah, show us that
[04:25] <Razor-X> there's a non-GTK version of Azureus?
[04:25] <jansen> thx everyone i'm downloading now
[04:25] <darkaudit> Razor-X: there's a Motif version... *ugly*
[04:26] <Razor-X> darkaudit: ohhh, I see
[04:26] <whyameye> bob2_, I'm an idiot. You're right. How could I screw that up? Anyway, tell me more about why not to log in as the root.
[04:26] <count0nz> anyone have a script to build a base install inside a changeroot ?
[04:26] <dabaSlon> darkaudit: is it a Java program?
[04:26] <bob2_> whyameye: because there's no need to, and it only increases the chance of mistakes
[04:26] <bob2_> count0nz: debootstrap
[04:26] <seth_> bob2_, I'm getting this. :FATAL: Unknown capture source type 'prism2' in source 'prism2,eth1,prism2source'
[04:27] <seth_> eth1 is my wireless card.
[04:27] <count0nz> thanks bob2_  :)
[04:27] <whyameye> bob2_, fair enough. Anyway, thanx for helping me out.
[04:27] <bob2_> seth_: you do need to configure it...
[04:27] <seth_> And it is a prism card.
[04:27] <dabaSlon> bob is on a row...
[04:27] <seth_> I had kismet on here before.
[04:27] <Razor-X> well, I wonder what's uglier in KDE....
[04:27] <dabaSlon> is that what the word is, row, not role, or roll?
[04:27] <JDahl> does anyone know of a reference to a guide on rebuilding debian packages from source? I am writing some documentation for a package, and want the easy way out by giving such a reference incase people need to rebuild the package. (I cant find anything suitable at www.debian.org)
[04:27] <nickrud> I gotta really think about why BSD would be a non-free license
[04:27] <bob2_> seth_: with that exact same config?
[04:28] <bob2_> JDahl: why do people want to rebuild it?
[04:28] <seth_> It's set as prism2,eth1,prism2source
[04:28] <darkaudit> JDahl: Debian new maintainer's guide
[04:28] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: it is free but very loopy and i wont ever publish my work under it
[04:28] <bob2_> JDahl: and you do mean "rebuilding debian packages from the debian source package", right?
[04:28] <JDahl> bob2_, because it's possible to link against commericial libraries if you have them + I only have access i386
[04:28] <JDahl> bob2_, no.. my own debian package
[04:29] <bob2_> JDahl: bah
[04:29] <bob2_> JDahl: you're being too vague
[04:29] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, I've been going by 'respected sources', and when a respectes source says something, I gotta think
[04:29] <bob2_> do you mean "random source .tar.gzs" or "debian source packages (ie .dsc, .tar.gz and .diff.gz"?
[04:29] <bob2_> seth_: is that a yes or a no?
[04:29] <whyameye> is there a way in ubuntu to add to the path globally i.e. for all users
[04:29] <seth_> bob2_, that is a yes.
[04:29] <bob2_> whyameye: edit /etc/profile
[04:30] <bob2_> seth_: what have you changed since then?
[04:30] <wesw> bob2, uninstalled portsentry and still get the following doing netstat -plunt | grep 21, any ideas?  wesw@usmc:~$ sudo netstat -plunt | grep 21
[04:30] <wesw> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:21              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     9924/inetd
[04:30] <wesw> udp        0      0 192.168.0.2:123         0.0.0.0:*                          10321/ntpd
[04:30] <wesw> udp        0      0 127.0.0.1:123           0.0.0.0:*                          10321/ntpd
[04:30] <wesw> udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:123             0.0.0.0:*                          10321/ntpd
[04:30] <wesw> udp6       0      0 :::123                  :::*                               10321/ntpd
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> nickrud: four clause BSD is somewhat 'nonfree'
[04:30] <JDahl> bob2_, the last one... I dont want to have to explain fakeroot and dpkg-buildpackage
[04:30] <seth_> bob2_, nothing.
[04:30] <bob2_> JDahl: apt-get source blah
[04:30] <bob2_> JDahl: or apt-get source -b blah, if people are very lazy
[04:30] <bob2_> wesw: edit /etc/inetd.conf, comment out the ftp line (it will mention "21")
[04:30] <dabaSlon> yay, blazaah, whats up?
[04:30] <nickrud> god, I used to follow -legal, and now I've probably bit off more than I can chew.
[04:31] <Razor-X> hmmm, how do yo umount an ISO as a drive?
[04:31] <jansen> my azureus it's ok,thx
[04:31] <Razor-X> *you mount
[04:31] <bob2_> 4-clause is highly obnoxious, if nothing else
[04:31] <whyameye> bob2_, I tried that and it doesn't seem to work when entering the shell from Gnome
[04:31] <darkaudit> nickrud: careful... you'll turn into krazykook ;)
[04:31] <bob2_> whyameye: indeed
[04:31] <hybrid_goth> lol
[04:31] <jansen> give me the bittorrent site about music plz!
[04:31] <bob2_> whyameye: /etc/bash.bashrc then
[04:31] <blazaah> dabaSlon, i just did as bob said..right click file and select right to disk
[04:31] <bob2_> jansen: this is not a warez channel
[04:32] <blazaah> dabaSlon, almost done burning...
[04:32] <JDahl> bob2_, I know..., I just prefer not writing a guide on it
[04:32] <jansen> sorry
[04:32] <james_> what's faster, a gefore 6600 PCI express or 6600 agp?
[04:32] <Razor-X> errr, how do you mount an ISO as a disc?
[04:32] <bob2_> Razor-X: sudo mount -t iso9660 -o ro foo.iso /mnt
[04:32] <CarlK> Razor-X - mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt/foo
[04:33] <seth_> bob2_, I haven't changed anything.
[04:33] <CarlK> bob2_ - skip the -t, mount will figure it out
[04:33] <Razor-X> does it work with DVD iisoS AS WELL?
[04:33] <Razor-X> damn!
[04:33] <Razor-X> sorry
[04:33] <CarlK> but don't skip the sudo ;)
[04:33] <bob2_> Razor-X: there is no difference
[04:33] <Razor-X> *ISOs as well
[04:33] <Razor-X> ok, good
[04:33] <Razor-X> just wanted to be sure
[04:34] <hybrid_goth> lol
[04:34] <wesw> bob2, thanks.  but uncommented wsftpd line.  init 1 and back, still same symptoms.  any futher ideas? wesw@usmc:~$ sudo netstat -plunt | grep 21
[04:34] <wesw> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:10000           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     13321/perl
[04:34] <wesw> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:21              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     13224/vsftpd
[04:34] <wesw> udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:10000           0.0.0.0:*                          13321/perl
[04:35] <bob2_> stop going to init 1
[04:35] <wesw> k
[04:35] <bob2_> you have fixed it, vsftpd is running now
[04:35] <whyameye> bob2_: thanks a million! That works too!
[04:35] <wesw> bob2, then THANKS!   you're quite knowledgeable.
[04:35] <darkaudit> Razor-X: used k3b to burn the ISO... got a (small) DVD that works on the TV
[04:36] <seth_> bob2_ is a god.
[04:36] <hybrid_goth> lol
[04:36] <dabaSlon> see bob2_ is on a roll, as I said.
[04:36] <bob2_> seth_: try the other source options, I guess
[04:36] <wesw> he's got my vote
[04:36] <darkaudit> or at least plays w/ xine
[04:36] <seth_> bob2_, like what?
[04:36] <dabaSlon> I like it when there is one of the ops in the # its better:)
[04:36] <bob2_> seth_: like the othere's in the example file
[04:37] <|JE55E|> Hey guys. I cant dialup on my external modem with Ubuntu. Anyone here able to help me diagnose it?
[04:37] <bob2_> dabaSlon: there are lots of ops here
[04:37] <dabaSlon> yeah, there are many gods...you know?
[04:37] <bob2_> we just don't always wear @
[04:37] <dabaSlon> yeah, well, a few guys know more:) like, you crimsun, daniels, tritium, ogra...
[04:38] <dabaSlon> not many other names can be there in that list....what is it with me and sets today??
[04:38] <|JE55E|> Seeing as there are so many 'gods' here, surely someone can help :-)
[04:38] <dabaSlon> Razor-X: man, its you doing something...
[04:38] <dabaSlon> |JE55E|: yeah, yuore issue is sweet.
[04:38] <bob2_> |JE55E|: you need to ask a more specific question
[04:39] <dabaSlon> bob2_ is very specific you know?:)
[04:39] <JDahl> |JE55E|, did you sacrifice a goat yet?
[04:39] <bob2_> people don't like to answer such amazingly vague ones like that, since they don't know what they're getting themselves into
[04:39] <dabaSlon> ok, thats it, sorry
[04:39] <dabaSlon> JDahl: yeah...:)
[04:39] <|JE55E|> good cal bob2. Heres the deal then:
[04:39] <dabaSlon> k,...go
[04:39] <dabaSlon> :)
[04:39] <dabaSlon> sorry
[04:40] <|JE55E|> It dials up. Have tried config by gui and pon. However, get "LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests" in /var/log/messages
[04:40] <nickrud> dabaSlon, there are so many more, it's just that most are spending what free time they have making things workable, not telling us how to use them
[04:40] <seth_> find: kismet: No such file or directory
[04:40] <seth_> Does that mean kismet is not installed?
[04:40] <|JE55E|> It doesnt seem to get to stage of giving me a ppp0 in ifconfig
[04:40] <bob2_> seth_: dude
[04:40] <seth_> bob2_, I was looking for the config file.
[04:40] <bob2_> seth_: that seems like a pretty important point
[04:41] <|JE55E|> after the LCP:... error the modem hangs up
[04:41] <seth_> bob2_, I can run kismet from the CL though. That is the thing.
[04:41] <seth_> I can run it, but find doesn't see it.
[04:41] <|JE55E|> Just before LCP error is this line: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
[04:41] <bob2_> seth_: wo what find command di you run?
[04:41] <whyameye> is there a good GUI for Gnome to manage my wireless network connections?
[04:41] <seth_> bob2_, locate / | grep kismet
[04:42] <dabaSlon> thats for  your home folder...
[04:42] <bob2_> seth_: perhaps it hasn't been updated
[04:42] <bob2_> whyameye: no
[04:42] <bob2_> whyameye: netapplet is ok
[04:42] <Chamlap`> whyameye: I use the installed network monitor and set up profiles
[04:42] <seth_> dabaSlon, locate / | grep kismet isn't for the home folder. It's from the root.
[04:42] <Chamlap`> hey guys, i'm trying to install mplayer and I get this error Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed <-- how can I fix this?
[04:42] <bob2_> seth_: find /
[04:42] <pristine> i have a problem with my wireless:  I just got ndiswrapper working but it is setup with a IPV6 addr how do i change it to an IPV4 addr?
[04:43] <bob2_> Chamlap`: dude, don't use marillat's archive, please
[04:43] <whyameye> Chamlap: I'm a newbie. How to I run network monitor?
[04:43] <bob2_> pristine: ask for a dhcp lease on it
[04:43] <seth_> There we go.
[04:43] <Chamlap`> bob2_: ok no problem, didn't know I was?
[04:43] <pristine> bob2_: how do i do that?
[04:43] <bob2_> Chamlap`: well, someone rooted you then and edited /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:44] <bob2_> Chamlap`: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[04:44] <bob2_> pristine: sudo dhclient eth1, or whatever the interface is
[04:44] <Chamlap`> is there a different tutorial for installling mplayer instead of ubuntuguide.org?
[04:44] <Chamlap`> I added more from ubuntuguide.org
[04:44] <bob2_> assuming you setup the essid and stuff
[04:44] <linuxn00b> hey people :D
[04:44] <bob2_> Chamlap`: there you go, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:44] <brazmetal> hey does anybody know where I can find a gaim 1.3 debian package?
[04:44] <bob2_> brazmetal: is it *that* essential?
[04:44] <james_> brazmetal: www.debian.org
[04:44] <|JE55E|> Chamlap - there is an addon that does it automatically for you. I will get you the link.
[04:45] <pristine> bob2_: yes i set all of that up
[04:46] <|JE55E|> Chamlap` - www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/
[04:46] <pristine> bob2_: how do i set up the essid, just be be sure i did it right
[04:46] <bob2_> pristine: sudo iwconfig eth1 essid blah
[04:46] <bob2_> or in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:46] <|JE55E|> Chamlap` - its ubuntuaddon.zip or you can download the unofficial ubuntu addon cd with more apps
[04:47] <bob2_> I'd strongly recommend not doing that
[04:47] <bob2_> and instead, just installing mplayer from ubuntu
[04:47] <|JE55E|> bob, why?
[04:47] <|JE55E|> It has worked fine on my system
[04:47] <brazmetal> bob2_, what?
[04:47] <dabaSlon> |JE55E|: the cd is meant for offline, for one...
[04:47] <brazmetal> james_, there's only old versions...
[04:47] <dabaSlon> brazmetal: why do you need that version?
[04:48] <Chamlap`> thanks guys, I appreciate it!
[04:48] <dabaSlon> yup let us know...:)
[04:48] <|JE55E|> Anyone have any idea on my dialup problem?
[04:48] <brazmetal> dabaSlon, it's the newer... and at ubuntu repos there are just old ones...
[04:48] <dabaSlon> so, why do you need the new one is what I am asking...
[04:48] <james_> brazmetal: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/gaim
[04:49] <pristine> bob2_: I set the essid, but still no luck with the dhclient
[04:49] <Fass> Gaim 1.3 is avaliable in backports
[04:49] <whyameye> bob2_: once I install netapplet, how do I find it and/or run it?
[04:50] <brazmetal> james_, oh thanks.... I had tried apt-get.org and there was just outdated stuff
[04:50] <eater773> pls. tell me how to install a program...
[04:50] <Chamlap`> Thanks again guys, Installing mplayer now :)
[04:50] <eater773> where will i use the command apt -get ???
[04:50] <brazmetal> ah.. its outdated :(
[04:51] <james_> brazmetal: that was 1.3
[04:51] <|JE55E|> Doesnt anyone know how to get dialup working here?
[04:51] <brazmetal> no
[04:51] <brazmetal> that was 1.1.3
[04:52] <whyameye> eater773: can you just use the synaptics package manager in the System -> Administration menu?
[04:52] <Chamlap`> Another quick question.  I have a NIC and a wireless card in this laptop, where can I set dhcp for "manual" instead of auto for eth0 (NIC) because it takes forever for the network interfaces to come up when the pc first starts.  I think it's because it's trying to setup eth0 through dhcp but I never use the NIC
[04:52] <nemik> so i got a .tar.gz file..how do i install it?
[04:52] <james_> brazmetal: 1:1.3.0-1
[04:52] <dabaSlon> brazmetal: why do you need it?
[04:52] <james_> brazmetal, which is 1.3
[04:52] <brazmetal> ahhh yes...
[04:52] <brazmetal> sorry ehehhe
[04:52] <nickrud> eater773, I have a few minutes, what are you trying to install
[04:52] <eater773> hyameye -> sorry.. i'm just a newbie from ubuntu.... shifting from window to linux ...
[04:53] <james_> congrats eater773
[04:53] <eater773> nickrud -> gnomebaker-0.2 program....
[04:53] <_abbenormal> im have problems with startx and xfce4 anyone up to help
[04:53] <whyameye> I installed netapplet, but I can't find it. What is it called?
[04:53] <james_> _abbenormal, sure
[04:54] <eater773> sorry guys for so many question... really i need help.. some answer i been  researching on it ok...
[04:54] <_abbenormal> cool thanks
[04:54] <james_> _abbenormal, what's wrong?
[04:54] <Chamlap`> eater773: I'm a noob like you but I can try and help
[04:54] <_abbenormal> only get a black screen
[04:54] <eater773> but how to install automatically any program that u downloaded... no problem Chamlap...
[04:54] <Chamlap`> is you video card supported?
[04:54] <nickrud> eater773, it' s in the universe repository
[04:54] <james_> any error?
[04:54] <_abbenormal> thinking im still not setting up a conf yet
[04:55] <_abbenormal> errors not seeing any as when i use startx it goes black screen only no prompt
[04:55] <Chamlap`> _abbenormal: can you alt+del+f1?
[04:55] <nickrud> eater773, if you work your way through http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats, you can get it with apt-get
[04:55] <_abbenormal> hum not tried that
[04:56] <_abbenormal> let me see
[04:56] <kestas> Chamlap`: its ctrl-alt-f1
[04:56] <eater773> nickrud--> browsing now...
[04:56] <Chamlap`> kestas: oh yeah, oops :P
[04:56] <Chamlap`> what kestas said :)
[04:56] <nickrud> eater773, actually 0.3 is available thruough univers
[04:56] <Chamlap`> if you get a prompt, log in as root
[04:56] <_abbenormal> nothing
[04:57] <james_> _abbenormal, xorg or xfree86
[04:57] <Chamlap`> hey guys, I just installed maplyer through ubuntu, but everytime I try and play anything with it it freezes.  totem works though
[04:57] <eater773> nickrud -> i don't have a DVD writer ...
[04:57] <kestas> Chamlap`: which output plugin are you using/
[04:57] <nickrud> eater773, ?
[04:58] <_abbenormal> ok this is a bare install nothing but what xfce asked for
[04:58] <Chamlap`> I get a error screen ut it's empty
[04:58] <nickrud> eater773, ok, what is it you want to do?
[04:58] <_abbenormal> in the setup it got some stuff for xorg
[04:58] <Chamlap`> kestas: whatever default is, how can I check?
[04:59] <kestas> right click, preferences
[04:59] <kestas> one of the tabs
[04:59] <bob2_> |JE55E|: you're not using aol, are you?
[04:59] <kestas> try different output plugins, one will probably work
[04:59] <|JE55E|> no Bob. iiNet in Australia
[04:59] <eater773> nickrud-> just viewing the site.. following instruction.... to automatically install any program i downloaded in the werb..
[05:00] <Chamlap`> kestas: when i open gmplayer I get this error: perhaps the problem? vo: X11 running at 1680x1050 with depth 24 and 32 bpp (":0.0" => local display)
[05:00] <Chamlap`> Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
[05:00] <Chamlap`> Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts.
[05:00] <Chamlap`>  <
[05:00] <|JE55E|> I have tried to iinet, and also to a windows RAS connection I have access to. Same problem on both
[05:00] <Chamlap`> damn..sorry, though it wouldn't add more lines
[05:00] <kestas> Chamlap`: try it with a different output plugin
[05:00] <eater773> nickrud-> why is it ubuntu does not put automatic install ???
[05:00] <|JE55E|> They are PAP connections
[05:00] <kestas> youre using vo at the moment
[05:00] <tremere> anyone here used PENGAOL?  i need a way to connect to AOL, but most ppp tools do not accomplish this successfully.
[05:00] <_abbenormal> where is the log for startx at
[05:01] <nemik> i'm trying to install smstools, but get compile error 2 when i do "make -s" as the instructions say. i don't know what i'm doing wrong
[05:01] <Chamlap`> but will XShm still use my gfx card for acceleration?  I thought only xv does that
[05:01] <g14> nemik: It probably says something about a missing dependency up a few lines. Try to find that
[05:01] <kestas> Chamlap`: try gl
[05:01] <kestas> or gl2
[05:01] <kestas> theyll use you graphics card
[05:02] <nemik> extras.o error 127...could be it
[05:02] <Chamlap`> yeah, XShm froze it also..time for the next one
[05:02] <avc> can anyone help me with sound configuration?
[05:02] <Razor-X> tremere: i'm pretty sure PengAOL only works with modems
[05:02] <g14> nemik: It will say something missing look for the word missing
[05:02] <Razor-X> and, by saying PPP, i'm assuming you have ethernet
[05:02] <Razor-X> *dialing modems
[05:03] <nemik> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/comm/smstools so i'm missing libc6?
[05:04] <g14> tremere: Pengy Sucks, use AOL Dialer http://www.linspire.com/aoldialer download the source at www.linspire.com/dialersource
[05:04] <nemik> no it doesn't say anything with 'missing'
[05:04] <g14> nemik: What about something -dev or -devel. There is a 90% chance that you are missing some development library unless it is an error in the source which I doubt
[05:04] <tremere> g14 thank you :)
[05:04] <_abbenormal> james may i pm you
[05:04] <nemik> since its in hoary universe, can i do that apt-get i've been hearing so much about?
[05:04] <john__> trying to get netapplet to work. I installed and can't find. I found this message in the help: netapplet will cause the notification area applet to appear; if you're
[05:04] <john__> using GNOME then you'll need to add a notification area to the panel. What does this mean?
[05:05] <kestas> john__: system tray
[05:05] <_abbenormal> james_ may i pm you
[05:05] <eater773> nickrud-> just follow instruction... it automatically reload the synaptic package.... then what now... can i use apt-get -install
[05:05] <john__> kestas: what about the system tray?
[05:05] <kestas> notification area aka system tray
[05:06] <|JE55E|> I have posted my modem problem to #|JE55E| if someone would be so kind as to take a look
[05:06] <nemik> g14: make[1] : cc: Command not found
[05:06] <g14> nemik: Thats easy
[05:06] <Seq> can anybody help me in renaming my network interfaces? I have e100 in my /etc/modules, and dmesg says it loads first, but it is still eth1 after my wireless (ipw2100 at eth0)
[05:06] <john__> kestas: so how do I add a notification area to the panel? I still don't get it...
[05:06] <g14> nemik: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:06] <Chamlap`> kestas: didn't work on any of them.  Could it be because my desktop is at 32 bit and the video is trying to play at 24?
[05:06] <Seq> i could do ifrename myself, i'm just curious if anybody knows why the naming is like this as it is
[05:06] <nemik> cool, thank you
[05:06] <kestas> john__: you probably already have a notification area
[05:06] <kestas> Chamlap`: well you cant be at 32 bit, 24 is the max
[05:06] <g14> nemik: smstools is in universe, I just searched for it myself
[05:07] <kestas> Chamlap`: try it at a lower res or with a different video
[05:07] <john__> kestas: so how do I find netapplet then? I don't see it in the system tray
[05:07] <nemik> yes i saw that too, so there is an easier way to install things from universe?
[05:07] <nemik> does it automatically get all the dependencies as well?
[05:07] <kestas> john__: have you started netapplet?
[05:08] <john__> kestas: I thought it started automatically on reboot. In any case, I don't seem to know how to start it. Do you know what exec I run?
[05:08] <Chamlap`> kestas: I don't know how to do that
[05:08] <Chamlap`> all these files play fine in totem :(
[05:08] <kestas> john__: I dont know what netapplet is
[05:08] <Chamlap`> but totem has known issues with playing dvd's
[05:08] <calc> totem-xine can play dvds fine afaik
[05:09] <tremere> g14 it appears that one has to purchase Linspire before being able to use AOL Dialer
[05:09] <calc> i think it was totem gstreamer that had some issues with dvds and that might be fixed by now
[05:09] <IIIEARS> http://www.techspot.com/story7608.html Interesting news ATI crushes Nvidia @ HL2
[05:09] <Razor-X> a nice read for everyone: http://web14.compaq.com/falco/detail.asp?FAQnum=FAQ2859
[05:09] <nemik> tremere, do a search on fatwallet forums, i saw a coupon for getting linspire for free after using it
[05:10] <dabaSlon> IIIEARS: yeah, very interesting, hl2...
[05:10] <calc> Razor-X: strike? with a hammer?
[05:10] <Chamlap`> calc: I'm using totem-xine
[05:10] <tremere> nemik what a bunch of bullshit.  i pay for AOL, the fucking least they could do is make a dialup-connector for Linux :(  fuck Linspire.
[05:10] <Chamlap`> and it has issues with dvd's, but when i press F for fullscreen, it's fixed, not in a window though
[05:10] <Razor-X> calc: heh
[05:11] <calc> Chamlap`: oh ok
[05:11] <calc> Razor-X: :)
[05:11] <dabaSlon> Razor-X: hah, awesome, a legitimate FAQ...
[05:11] <tremere> g14 i suspect you knew that it would require me having to pay for Linspire's AOL tool, and if that's true, then fuck you, too
[05:11] <IIIEARS> nemik - don't bother - you can download and install linspire on torrent - but it halts after the install when it checks it's reg password -  A legit copy email confirmed and everything.
[05:11] <dabaSlon> Lindows, go use Lindows, bah
[05:11] <Chamlap`> oh well, i'll tackle this stuff tomorrow, i'm going to go to bed now.  Thanks for all the help tonight guys.  I'm really liking Gentoo and Ubuntu..really clean :)
[05:12] <thr1ce> you like ubuntu now, and gentoo next week when it's done installing?
[05:12] <nemik> no i really like ubuntu, i was just giving tremere advice where to get linspire for free
[05:12] <Madpilot> Razor-X: Great link. knew that had to be in a FAQ somewhere...
[05:12] <nemik> so how would i install something in universe?
[05:12] <IIIEARS> << Grateful Linspire didn't work :P
[05:13] <tvon> Anyone with an up-to-date breezy?  I'm having a strange problem with keybindings being all out-of-whack in gnome (only for some apps).
[05:13] <Razor-X> Madpilot: heh
[05:13] <tvon> Anyone else with the same problem?
[05:13] <Chamlap`> err..I meant to say Debian (I think that's what Ubuntu is based off) not Gentoo :) or vice versa..whatever, thanks guys :)
[05:13] <capi> how do I symlink a file? Is that `ln -s original.txt symlink.txt' ?
[05:13] <Razor-X> officially in my bookmarks now ;)
[05:13] <tvon> capi: yes
[05:13] <thr1ce> nemik,  sudo apt-get install <app> after you update your repositories
[05:13] <|JE55E|> I really need to get this dialup working, surely someone can shed some light on it? Full problem posted to #|JE55E|
[05:14] <Lafitte-> anyone know how to map the FN keys on laptops ?     i need a few of the functions
[05:14] <Madpilot> speaking of FAQs: does anyone have a good intro to the Linux command line? I'd like to have a least a small cloo as to what I can do in terminal...
[05:14] <nemik> ahh easy enough, as for updating repositories....does the ubuntu auto update GUI do this?
[05:14] <thr1ce> Madpilot, anything you can do in gui, can be done from terminal
[05:14] <Razor-X> Madpilot: try googling up BsASH scripting tutorials
[05:14] <thr1ce> nemik, sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:14] <thr1ce> then, remove the comment from the line you want to add
[05:14] <g14> tremere: Well before you tell someone fuck you that gave you a link to the source code download, maybe you should re-evaluate who you tell fuck you
[05:14] <Razor-X> while that is a bit more than just plain CLI stuff, it's realy useful to know
[05:14] <Razor-X> *BASH
[05:15] <thr1ce> then just sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install <package>
[05:15] <tvon> google for "bash shell"
[05:15] <IIIEARS> AOLpeng will get you to the aol welcome page you can even check mail - chat groups from what i have read are not possible.
[05:15] <nemik> thank you i'll give it a shot
[05:15] <thr1ce> sure thing
[05:16] <Madpilot> tvon: thanks, wasn't even sure what I should be googlilng for! also Razor-X, will look for scripting tutorials.
[05:16] <IIIEARS> looks like vmware or cedega is the only option for aol
[05:16] <kestas> hahah
[05:16] <kestas> yeah right
[05:17] <|JE55E|> The dialup works fine in windows, but I really want to go to ubuntu. This is proving to be an impossible limitation.
[05:17] <tvon> Madpilot: "Linux in a Nutshell" is a good book if you want to go that route
[05:17] <g14> IIIEARS: The Linspire AOLDialer works fine in ubuntu
[05:17] <g14> IIIEARS: It is gpl and I gave a link to the source download
[05:17] <IIIEARS> gl4 - do you have a link? (for my mother. - lol)
[05:17] <nemik> thr1ce, i uncommented the lines, if i do ^X will it save and exit?
[05:18] <Madpilot> tvon: that's the OReilly book? Good, I'll look for it.
[05:18] <|JE55E|> Just in case anyone is confused. I am NOT on AOL, normal PAP isp.
[05:18] <tvon> Madpilot: yup
[05:18] <pppoe_dude> hi
[05:18] <nickrud> |JE55E|, if dialup works in windows, it will work in ubuntu
[05:18] <IIIEARS> never mind got it
[05:18] <Madpilot> I really like O'Reilly's stuff. Have a couple of their HTML/CSS/PHP books.
[05:18] <thr1ce> in pico, ^o to write out, I Think
[05:18] <thr1ce> then control x
[05:18] <|JE55E|> nickrud, sound great in theory. not happening in practice
[05:18] <nemik> ahh thanks again
[05:18] <g14> IIIEARS: It is packaged for linspire via the click and run crap. You can download and install the source if you want though via the normal ./configure && make && checkinstall -D
[05:18] <nickrud> |JE55E|, I jumped int late so, can I help
[05:18] <pppoe_dude> is there a way to prolong the time period that the harddisk turns off in Ubuntu (on a laptop)? i keep hearing it spin up every few seconds... i dont think its good for the harddisk
[05:19] <|JE55E|> cheers nickrud. have posted full problem to #|JE55E|
[05:19] <IIIEARS> Heh - isn't Open source wonderful!
[05:19] <thr1ce> man, I want breezy fonts in hoary
[05:19] <Razor-X> i'm pretty sure he didn't understand what source was
[05:19] <Razor-X> I mean, someone who complains about paying for AOL.....
[05:19] <g14> Yeah I agree
[05:19] <thr1ce> use windows, it's easier
[05:19] <thr1ce> :)
[05:19] <g14> If hes going to be an ass then he doesn't deserve any help
[05:20] <Razor-X> so, he just skipped over source
[05:20] <_abbenormal> what is needed to make xfce4 work on a laptop
[05:20] <|JE55E|> nickrud, I get errors in /var/log/messages and modem hangs up.
[05:20] <thr1ce> xfce packages probably
[05:20] <thr1ce> a few libs
[05:20] <IIIEARS> lol - Windows connect, reinstall, connect, reinstall - lol
[05:20] <thr1ce> ask apt
[05:20] <|JE55E|> nicrud, seemingly error is: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
[05:20] <nickrud> |JE55E|, did you use pppconfig to enable ppp?
[05:20] <_abbenormal> where to go for help and setup ? on xfce4
[05:21] <g14> _abbenormal: The xfce4 forums would be the best place
[05:21] <_abbenormal> is there a irc channel for it
[05:21] <|JE55E|> I have tried with ppconfig/pon and the gui
[05:21] <thr1ce> _abbenormal, just do sudo apt-get install xfce, see what it says
[05:21] <_abbenormal> its installed now
[05:21] <pppoe_dude> is there a way to stop the constant spin-up/down of the harddisk in laptop-mode without switching laptop-mode off?
[05:21] <thr1ce> ok, log out, click on sessions, choose xfce, and login :)
[05:21] <_abbenormal> got everything for it i think but it wont start
[05:21] <nickrud> |JE55E|, paste in pastebin.com lspci
[05:22] <g14> lspci -vv
[05:22] <tng_hayden> would having gdm as the login manager (without having gnome installed) slow the use of xfce4 down as compared with xdm?
[05:22] <_abbenormal> no desktop on this setup have been running from command line only
[05:22] <nemik> thr1ce, i did what you said with apt-get install smstools from root terminal and looks like it worked. but where can i now find the program?
[05:22] <g14> _abbenormal: /join #xfce
[05:22] <_abbenormal> ok
[05:22] <thr1ce> nemik, i'm not sure what smstools are :(
[05:23] <|JE55E|> nickrud, what is pastebin.com?
[05:23] <g14> nemik: dpkg -L smstools | grep bin
[05:23] <_abbenormal> thanks
[05:23] <nickrud> |JE55E|, it
[05:23] <nemik> thr1ce, it is an app to recieve and send SMS (text messages) via a phone hooked up to the terminal from a serial connection
[05:24] <nickrud> is a url you can paste text to. that i can see
[05:24] <thr1ce> nemik, sudo updatedb, then locate sms
[05:24] <nickrud> |JE55E|, without annoying the other people on this channel
[05:25] <mike_douglas> who broke breezy? ;)
[05:25] <IIIEARS> G'nite dabaSSlon_slp
[05:25] <tvon> mike_douglas: keybinding issues?
[05:26] <brazmetal> I does anyone use muse ?
[05:26] <mike_douglas> xserver font issues
[05:26] <tvon> mike_douglas: ah, damn
[05:26] <tvon> mike_douglas: oh, can't find fixed?
[05:26] <mike_douglas> thats it
[05:26] <nemik> thr1ce: did sudo updatedb, computer churned for a bit and then back to root prompt thing. nowhere to locate sms on
[05:27] <thr1ce> locate sms returns nothing?!
[05:27] <thr1ce> brb
[05:27] <nemik> sorry if i'm pesting, just new to this
[05:27] <tvon> mike_douglas: font paths changed
[05:27] <IIIEARS> Muse server for streaming radio. FREE??! - wow
[05:27] <brazmetal> yes
[05:27] <tvon> mike_douglas: from /usr/lib/X11.. to /usr/share/X11...
[05:28] <brazmetal> IIIEARS,  do you use?
[05:28] <mike_douglas> tvon: thanks, i'll give that a try
[05:28] <nemik> thr1ce: oooohhhh locate sms is a command...ok yea i did that and a LOT of files returned....
[05:28] <IIIEARS> no - give me an hour or two - lol
[05:28] <brazmetal> ehehehee
[05:28] <tvon> mike_douglas: np
[05:30] <|JE55E|> nickrud, sorry ubuntu system just crashed. restarting now and will post in pastebin "lspci -vv" under name JE55E
[05:31] <nickrud> |JE55E|, after you paste it there will be an address yo can give me
[05:31] <metalsand> Hey nickrud, haven't seen you for a while :)
[05:31] <mike_douglas> I thought a modular X11 wasn't due for a while, is this a prerelease or just partially modular?
[05:31] <nickrud> metalsand, I was in a blackout for a while :)
[05:32] <Amaranth> mike_douglas: This is X11R7 pre
[05:33] <mike_douglas> yeah, that makes sense
[05:35] <Boricua540> with the new distro what version of KDE comes with it?
[05:35] <mike_douglas> off to Return of the Sith, bye all
[05:35] <jsgotangco> you mean Revenge
[05:36] <geneo93> 3.4
[05:36] <Boricua540> ahhh ok..I had 3.2 with Suse.  I am very impressed with Ubuntu
[05:37] <robertj> Good movie, but not quite Starwars...
[05:37] <|JE55E|> nickrud, heres the problem in pastebin http://pastebin.com/286819
[05:37] <^thehatsrule^> not quite Starwars?
[05:37] <|JE55E|> nickrud, let me know if that works. and I will next paste the hardware
[05:38] <geneo93> just do apt-get install kde
[05:38] <robertj> I don't want to spoil it for people who haven't seen, but it loses itself and is at times contradictory
[05:38] <Boricua540> I just installed the newest distro of Ubuntu.. and the KDE package. Its very nice
[05:38] <Boricua540> very clean
[05:38] <robertj> both the Jedi and the Sith make snide comments about the other side being moral relativists
[05:39] <kestas> does anyone die?
[05:39] <killapop> :))
[05:39] <robertj> kestas: unfortuantely Jar Jar does not
[05:39] <killapop> haha
[05:39] <|JE55E|> If I replace my graphics card in ubuntu, will it automatically detect the new one?
[05:39] <kestas> aww :(
[05:39] <nickrud> |JE55E|, I'll be honest, I've never seen that sequence.
[05:39] <kestas> thats the ultimate spoiler
[05:39] <kestas> now Ill never watch it
[05:39] <kestas> bah
[05:40] <Boricua540> Jesse I would have to say yes.. It picked up my Jumpdrive memory stick with no problems.. so I am sure they will cover video cards
[05:40] <|JE55E|> nicrud, It seems to detect and use the modem ok. Do you want my chat scipts etc?
[05:41] <|JE55E|> Boricua540, ta, coz mine screen keeps doing strange things and slowing to a crawl, so I think could be video card
[05:41] <nickrud> the LCP timeout is provactive, yeah, chat is seem ok (you get dialed in) but who is your isp?
[05:41] <Boricua540> <--- Ubuntu with dual boot xp
[05:42] <Boricua540> never use xp tho
[05:42] <Buuyo^> How do I create a bridge with 'interfaces' that has no ip address, just two network cards? I didn't recognize anything in man interfaces that could help me.
[05:43] <Buuyo^> I'd like to avoid making a startup script /just/ for this if possible.
[05:43] <kestas> Buuyo^: google brctl
[05:43] <Buuyo^> I understand how to create a bridge with brctl.
[05:43] <|JE55E|> nickrud, my isp is iiNet in Australia. However, I have also tried connecting to a windows RAS server, and get the exact same error
[05:43] <Buuyo^> I just want to do it the interfaces high-level way.
[05:43] <kestas> whats the interfaces high level way?
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> Buuyo^: I'm not sure there is one
[05:44] <Buuyo^> /etc/network/interfaces preferably.
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> a bridge is a nontrivial thing
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> that most people would never need to do
[05:44] <Boricua540> I find my Ubuntu is like hanging up during operation. It only last like one second and then normal operation.. anyone had this happen.? Running Laptop
[05:44] <nicc> anyone is using breezy?
[05:44] <kestas> HrdwrBoB: its damn trivial usually
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> kestas: nontrivial concept
[05:44] <kestas> HrdwrBoB: its hardest on linux, on *bsd and windows its just a click/sysctl change
[05:44] <nemik> so i'm installing all these utilities from apt-get install but don't know where any of them go or how i can run them....
[05:45] <kestas> HrdwrBoB: forwarding all packets to the other inteface?
[05:45] <elcu> nicc: i would guess not many ... see the channel topic
[05:46] <kestas> nemik: go into synaptic, right click on the installed package and take a look at the installed files
[05:46] <nicc> elcu, why, is there a problem with it?
[05:46] <nemik> kestas: ok thanks
[05:46] <nickrud> |JE55E|, ok, this is a bit bigger than I can chew, pppconfig has never failed me, (US), so, hang in there, ask again.
[05:46] <kestas> Boricua540: its a power management issure
[05:47] <Boricua540> really?
[05:47] <kestas> Boricua540: if you turn off power management in your bios it will stop
[05:47] <Boricua540> ahhh
[05:47] <Boricua540> thanks
[05:47] <Boricua540> brb... going to take care of that right now
[05:47] <|JE55E|> nickrud, heres the lspci in pastebin http://pastebin.com/286828
[05:48] <Buuyo^> Thanks guys. I'll just whip some script up to do the bridge thing. :/
[05:49] <nickrud> |JE55E|, I'm reading your log as a modem that is actually working, and the lspci was to look for a winmodem that doesn't. Like I said, ask for more competent help
[05:50] <|JE55E|> nickrud, Thanks for trying :-/
[05:50] <nickrud> |JE55E|, I shoot for 60%
[05:50] <|JE55E|> It doesnt make a lot of sense to me either :-(
[05:51] <|JE55E|> Anyone else here able to help diagnose a dialup problem with a modem (not winmodem) that is giving error "LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests"?
[05:52] <kestas> what do you do if youve got a movie which has the sound out of sync?
[05:53] <|JE55E|> kestas, redub it
[05:53] <nickrud> kestas, buy a faster computer :)
[05:53] <johsep> hola a todos
[05:53] <kestas> nickrud: my comp is fast enough, and it doesnt even use 10% of the processor when its playing
[05:54] <kestas> |JE55E|: its a quicktime movie, what software should I use?
[05:54] <psychonate> What's a good app for viewing manny pictures?
[05:54] <kestas> gthumb
[05:54] <Quequeg> s/its/it's/     it's = it is
[05:54] <nickrud> kestas, heh
[05:54] <Choubaka> kestas: check what video driver it's using.
[05:54] <Choubaka> and sound driver.
[05:54] <kestas> Choubaka: two of the four animatrix movies I downloaded were perfectly in sync, only the other two arent
[05:54] <Choubaka> if it's mplayer, use xv and  sdl.
[05:54] <kestas> Choubaka: its a problem with the movie, not my player
[05:54] <elcu> psychonate: i use gqview
[05:55] <Choubaka> hmm.
[05:55] <Choubaka> I don't think there's much you can do then.
[05:55] <Quequeg> psychonate, I second gqview for gnome
[05:55] <kestas> I could always rent the dvd and rip it myself but Im lazy
[05:55] <kestas> and cheap
[05:55] <kestas> arghh there must be something
[05:55] <tsume> hehe
[05:55] <tsume> kestas: what, when theres are plenty of newsgroups out there?
[05:56] <Boricua540> well I think that did it
[05:56] <|JE55E|> kestas, There is an article in latest APC mag which explains how to redub an out of sync movie using: VirtuaDub, VirtualDubMod and Inmatrix Zoom Player. There must be similar for linux?
[05:56] <kestas> tsume: Im cheap, cant afford a good newsgroups provider
[05:56] <Boricua540> thanks for the advice
[05:56] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[05:56] <tsume> kestas: there are free readable ones out there
[05:56] <g14> psychonate: If you don't mind installing mono, try f-spot. I really like it
[05:56] <Choubaka> Kino _might_ be able to do it.
[05:56] <kestas> |JE55E|: but would they work for .mov? I think theyre for avi and mpg and vob
[05:56] <tsume> kestas: with *warez, *moviez, etc
[05:56] <Choubaka> kestas: convert to avi :P
[05:56] <Choubaka> or rather, mpg4
[05:56] <nickrud> the useful newsgroups are on gmane.org
[05:56] <Choubaka> mpeg*
[05:56] <kestas> tsume: yeah but what provider to you use?
[05:56] <tsume> g14: mono is a parasite
[05:56] <nemik> kestas: i tried it and installed smstools again but nothing, still can't find it when i go to run programs
[05:57] <Boricua540> now my box is running like a champ!
[05:57] <tsume> kestas: open proxy newsgroup servers
[05:57] <kestas> Boricua540: the problem comes when you want power management features
[05:57] <|JE55E|> kestas, http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/guides.html
[05:57] <nickrud> tsume, I'm kinda looking towards mono, why is it a parasite?
[05:57] <blaylock> is there a way to create .dep packages from tar.gz?
[05:57] <tsume> nickrud: the users are morons
[05:57] <blaylock> err
[05:57] <blaylock> .deb
[05:57] <|JE55E|> I dont know if it would do mov or not
[05:58] <Boricua540> ahh now it is quiet and running very nice
[05:58] <Kevin> hi I desperately need help, I just recently installed Ubunutu, and i need to know how to access my other partitions with information
[05:58] <tsume> nickrud: anyone not in thier ring of GTK# are thier enemies
[05:58] <Boricua540> thank you kestas
[05:58] <Kevin> One is NTFS and other is FAT32
[05:58] <kestas> np
[05:58] <Choubaka> blaylock: depends whether the .tar.gz is a package or not.
[05:58] <tsume> kestas: http://freenews.maxbaud.net/ <-- when its back up from its updating
[05:58] <blaylock> Kevin, mount /dev/<device> /mnt/<mount point>
[05:58] <tsume> kestas: search open newsgroup servers
[05:58] <Quequeg> Kevin, NTFS will be read only, FYI
[05:58] <|JE55E|> Anyone else here able to help diagnose a dialup problem with a modem (not winmodem) that is giving error "LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests"?
[05:58] <Kevin> ok
[05:58] <kestas> hmm okay thanks tusme
[05:58] <kestas> *tsume
[05:58] <blaylock> Choubaka, well its source
[05:58] <Boricua540> I have to say Ubuntu is very impressive.. very clean and great eye candy
[05:58] <Choubaka> you can always debianise sources. but it requires some rtfm:ing.
[05:59] <tsume> kestas: its what to use when you need a fast newsgroup server
[05:59] <nickrud> tsume, it that a judgment on the devlopers or the product?
[05:59] <Kevin> can u explain to me mount /dev/<device> /mnt/<mount point>
[05:59] <blaylock> Choubaka, thats what i figured
[05:59] <tsume> nickrud: 99.9% of the users of the community
[05:59] <elcu> Kevin: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[05:59] <Choubaka> or you can take the quick and dirty way and use checkinstall
[05:59] <Jeezis> is there a driver for the ati radeon 320m?
[05:59] <blaylock> Choubaka, i was just being impatiant
[05:59] <elcu> Kevin: or http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs if you want to autmount on bootup
[05:59] <Kevin> ok I'll check it
[05:59] <tsume> nickrud: join #mono on GimpNET and ask about using wx with mono, you get trolled, then kb'ed
[05:59] <blaylock> impatient
[05:59] <kestas> Jeezis: probably flgrx
[05:59] <blaylock> geez
[05:59] <elcu> Kevin: there's instructions for FAT as well
[06:00] <Choubaka> blaylock: checkinstall won't handle dependencies or anything but it makes it easy to remove the software
[06:00] <tsume> nickrud: Theres no real productive point in mono except for windows people to leech off linux through ASP
[06:00] <Jeezis> kestas, thanks, i'll give it a try
[06:00] <eater773> see ya latter guys...
[06:00] <geneo93> |JE55E|:  try the pppconfig
[06:00] <Quequeg> tsume, to be fair, much of the effort behind mono is lower-level, or web-based (aspx), so that's only at the desktop app level.
[06:00] <timeless_> how can i get msn on ubuntu
[06:00] <elcu> timeless_: GAIM
[06:00] <timeless_> msn messanger
[06:00] <Boricua540> Has anyone ran Fluxbox with Ubuntu.. and if so, what is your opinion on Flux.. I like KDE but I keep seeing Flux
[06:00] <tsume> nickrud: You might want to check python or perl for dynamic language
[06:00] <Jeezis> timeless_: gaim has an msn option
[06:00] <timeless_> yeah
[06:00] <psychonate> hey, PornView is fantastic
[06:01] <|JE55E|> geneo93, thats using pppconfig as well
[06:01] <tsume> Quequeg: the person who worked on wxNET was one of the trolls
[06:01] <Jeezis> timeless_: i'm sure microsuck has a linux client out somewhere
[06:01] <tsume> Quequeg: I don't think that was the exact area of focus for mono. Application support is a must.
[06:01] <|JE55E|> well at least I can use my dialup in microsuck
[06:01] <Choubaka> Boricua540: if you like KDE, Flux might not suit your tastes. Unless you like both windowsines and minimalisticity.
[06:01] <tsume> wxWidgets is still the best, mostly because it has a thing called "options" :)
[06:02] <Choubaka> ness*
[06:02] <geneo93> what setting do u use
[06:02] <elcu> |JE55E|: you could try using wvdial
[06:02] <Lafitte-> problem not dial up   problem  is AOL sucks
[06:02] <tsume> |JE55E|: some soft modems require the software modem daemon for linux ;)
[06:02] <Quequeg> tsume, well, there are multiple areas of focus.  For desktop apps, they have punted to GTK/Gnome, granted.  And I don't blame them, really.  But there are many other uses.  My complaint is lack of full/decent support for databases like oracle, etc..
[06:02] <Boricua540> ahh I like the transparency.. I dont like the terminal that came with Ubuntu.. I want a terminal I can completely transparent.. no borders..no menu... just a clear window
[06:02] <tsume>  smdaemon or something similar I think its named.
[06:02] <nickrud> tsume, damn.
[06:02] <blaylock> Boricua540,  flux is really lightweight
[06:02] <Choubaka> Boricua540: Flux doesn't offer you anything else but a light, fast and customisable window managers.
[06:03] <blaylock> Boricua540,  so like when you have slow proc or limited mem
[06:03] <|JE55E|> elcu, How do I go about using wvdial
[06:03] <Choubaka> Boricua540: "Terminal" can do that
[06:03] <|JE55E|> tsume, it is an old external hardware modem
[06:03] <Boricua540> terminal.. let me see if I have it
[06:03] <geneo93> |JE55E|:  have you tried kppp
[06:03] <Boricua540> I do
[06:03] <tsume> Quazion: heh, which could be solved by using wxNET, I'm sure wxWidgets's wxODBC can use any database which has ODBC plugin functionality. I tried explaining something so simple to those people, and get trolled for it.
[06:03] <bunje> anyone know why applications:/// doesnt seem to work in nautilus?  cuz the docs say it should.
[06:04] <elcu> |JE55E|: it should be installed in hoary by default.  check out: /usr/share/doc/wvdial/README.gz
[06:04] <tsume> |JE55E|: ohh, then its Hayes Compat, should work out of box.
[06:04] <|JE55E|> geneo93, nope, how in ubuntu, do I need to install all the kde crap?
[06:04] <Boricua540> but every time I open it up.. I get the transparent workspace but a taskbar too
[06:04] <Boricua540> kconsole was nice..
[06:04] <Boricua540> but I dont see it
[06:04] <Choubaka> Boricua540: Terminal is in the package "xterminal"
[06:04] <geneo93> well just the network part
[06:04] <Choubaka> Boricua540: you need to change the settings
[06:05] <geneo93> and a few libs
[06:05] <geneo93> kde in ubuntu is exellent
[06:05] <brazmetal> hey
[06:05] <tsume> geneo93: its still a memory hog :/
[06:05] <brazmetal> a question
[06:05] <tsume> geneo93: bogs down my vmware instance :(
[06:06] <Boricua540> thanks Choubaka
[06:06] <Choubaka> gah.
[06:06] <Boricua540> brb
[06:06] <Choubaka> What will happen to a completely borderless terminal when you have true transparency and hover it over another terminal? :D
[06:06] <geneo93> tsume buy more memory
[06:06] <Lafitte-> anyone know how to make the FN special buttons work on laptops ?
[06:06] <elcu> brazmetal: no need for foreplay, just ask :-)
[06:07] <sgtkernel> hey guys, what repository can I use to get libdvdread2 so i can install transcode?
[06:07] <geneo93> and dont use windows crap in linux
[06:07] <Lafitte-> this funny    here is an apt file libisajet758-dev - [Physics]  Monte Carlo generator for proton/electron reactions
[06:07] <tsume> geneo93: its a laptop, I'm trying to earn the monry first ;)
[06:08] <tritium> Lafitte-, funny how?
[06:08] <tsume> geneo93: I've to be careful what I spend where. I balance everything to last penny
[06:08] <geneo93> sgtkernel:  should be in universe
[06:08] <sgtkernel> geneo93, do you know of a good native program that will let me shrink a dual-layer dvd to single-layer size complete with menus and multiple features and such?
[06:08] <Lafitte-> Trickyphillips,  debian package   for rockt science    rofl   funny
[06:08] <sgtkernel> geneo93, seperate questions...
[06:08] <Lafitte-> tritium, thats how its funny
[06:08] <tsume> oops, I forgot to read troll dot today
[06:09] <geneo93> dvdrip
[06:09] <sgtkernel> geneo93, but anyhow, the transcode deal errors out with:
[06:09] <paulproteus> Lafitte-: What laptop?
[06:09] <sgtkernel> transcode: Depends: libavcodeccvs (>= 2:20041227-woody0.1) but it is not going to be installed
[06:09] <sgtkernel>              Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[06:09] <sgtkernel>              Depends: libvorbis0 (>= 1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable
[06:09] <paulproteus> My Fn button works out of the box.
[06:09] <Lafitte-> tritium,  paulproteus  asusm5n
[06:09] <tritium> Lafitte-, scientific computing is funny?  That's a strange idea to me...
[06:09] <kestas> tritium is a serious rocket scientist Lafitte-
[06:09] <Choubaka> eerr? woody?
[06:09] <crimsun_> yeah, don't mess with my thesis topic!
[06:09] <sgtkernel> geneo93, dvdrip seems to only want to output in mpg/avi/vcd/etc. not a dvd filesystem
[06:09] <crimsun_> ^5 tritium
[06:09] <RichardC> hey
[06:09] <tritium> crimsun_, hey there!
[06:10] <nickrud> we always bow to the academics among us ;P
[06:10] <tng_hayden> what is an easy to configure ftp server
[06:10] <Lafitte-> paulproteus,  what laptop you have ?
[06:10] <crimsun_> tng_hayden: vsftpd
[06:10] <Lafitte-> paulproteus,  i dont mean f-keys   the blue FN button  ??
[06:10] <RichardC> im very new to ubuntu, as well as debian, and i was wondering how to update the... package list (?), so that i can download stuff that isnt listed, such as zsnes or firefox v1.0.4
[06:10] <kestas> what is funny is that someone would be doing computationally intensive tasks on ubuntu
[06:10] <sgtkernel> i've got the same repositories recommended at ubuntuguide.org ....and i'm just doing 'apt-get install transcode'
[06:11] <tng_hayden> crimsun_: thats not easy to setup
[06:11] <crimsun_> kestas: why not? It works great as a management node
[06:11] <tritium> kestas, I do it all the time
[06:11] <Lafitte-> RichardC,    goto ubuntuguide.org  and read how to add those in
[06:11] <elcu> RichardC: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:11] <geneo93> sgtkernel: Video-DVDRip is the one i used
[06:11] <nickrud> RichardC, the debian way is to never change the stable realease number.
[06:11] <metalsand> Anyone good with HTML that could help me out real quick?
[06:11] <metalsand> I know it's not specific to Ubuntu.
[06:11] <crimsun_> tng_hayden: tried proftpd? Really, vsftpd is straightforward.
[06:11] <kestas> tritium: why ubuntu though? surely youre wasting processor cycles on gnome kruft
[06:11] <sgtkernel> geneo93, does it keep the menus, and can it create multi-feature filesystems?
[06:12] <RichardC> metalsand: i can try
[06:12] <metalsand> I just needt o align some images: I sliced 'em up in Photopshop so I could link to two specific images www.zebrasoncrack.com/images
[06:12] <kestas> and memory on cupsd
[06:12] <kestas> etc
[06:12] <nickrud> firefox will never change beyond 1.0.2, but the security stuff will be added ti 1.0.2, in security releases
[06:12] <metalsand> Zebra is what it's supposed to look like, the other slices are the numbered ones, RichardC
[06:12] <Choubaka> kestas: not like you _have_ to use all that stuff.
[06:12] <JDahl> kestas, that amount of cycles is dwarfed compared to doing heavy number-crunching
[06:12] <Kevin> once i mount those drives where do i goto access them?
[06:12] <tng_hayden> crimsun_: tried both, documentation is hard to understand
[06:12] <Choubaka> I don't use gnome for one.
[06:12] <jiyuu0> sgtkernel, transcode
[06:12] <jiyuu0> sudo apt-get -t testing install transcode
[06:12] <jiyuu0> sudo apt-get install dvdrip
[06:13] <RichardC> also, how do i update my video card drivers?
[06:13] <sgtkernel> k
[06:13] <kestas> JDahl: dwarfed but you would still be better off in a terminal which doesnt need any processor wastage, and memory usage is usually the real issue for these types of things
[06:13] <elcu> Kevin: they should be in  /media  you can use nautilus or a terminal if you prefer that way.
[06:13] <sgtkernel> sweet
[06:13] <CarlK> RichardC - nvidia?
[06:13] <JDahl> kestas, (although, the first thing I do is to remove the 3d screensaver)
[06:13] <tng_hayden> crimsun_: all i wanted to do is share my /var/www
[06:13] <tritium> kestas, a terminal is not enough for me.  I also need visualization.
[06:13] <Kevin> good bless you all
[06:13] <kestas> they usually love their memory, and ubuntu has cupsd, all sorts of useless kernel modules, and gnome
[06:14] <Kevin> i had some very important documents that i need tonight
[06:14] <geneo93> sgtkernel:  never used it that way just riped dvds and put them on cds
[06:14] <Kevin> thank you very much for the help and now i can see my self using linux
[06:14] <IIIEARS> Many Thanks to the developers of Ubuntu
[06:14] <RichardC> CarlK: ati
[06:14] <JairunCaloth> I love Ubuntu, it's responsible for me switching to linux
[06:14] <elcu> Kevin: good luck!
[06:15] <IIIEARS> "Kudos" to Ubunto! - grin
[06:15] <metalsand> RichardC, any idea?
[06:15] <kestas> tritium: so do you not compile scientific apps yourself?
[06:15] <tritium> Kevin, that's outstanding!
[06:15] <JairunCaloth> I've installed redhat a couple of times on my system, and I've never done more than tinker with it
[06:15] <tritium> kestas, sure, I do.
[06:15] <CarlK> RichardC - rats.  I am somewhat familiar with the nv stuff, I should check out the ATI stuff considering I have more ATI than nv..
[06:15] <RichardC> metalsand: opening many pages on dialup, very slow
[06:15] <JairunCaloth> I installed Ubuntu, and a week later I wiped windows, and put ubuntu on my big drive
[06:15] <kestas> tritium: then why do you need the packages in synaptic, which are built for 386 with conservative CFLAGS?
[06:16] <tritium> kestas, I write most of my simulation/analysis code
[06:16] <elcu> JairunCaloth: personally, i keep windows only for games.
[06:16] <jiyuu0> JairunCaloth, good to hear that
[06:16] <crimsun_> tng_hayden: have you looked at EXAMPLES?
[06:16] <JairunCaloth> If I can get SWG running under Cedega, I won't need to install windoze
[06:16] <IIIEARS> Jairun - Fedora - lol - 4 CDs or one huge DVD an hour long install - and i still end up tweaking my video settings in CLI - rofl
[06:16] <jason_> it was amazing how broke hoary was until the release date and then there have been 7 updates since
[06:16] <JDahl> kestas, stock architecture optimized ATLAS which is at the heart of most number crunchers is very fast, even if you dont compile it yourself
[06:16] <Kevin> how come i cannot play the mp3s
[06:17] <JairunCaloth> I have the fedora DVD, never got around to installing it
[06:17] <Choubaka> I _can't_ install Windows.. :D
[06:17] <bob2_> Kevin: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:17] <Choubaka> The only OS that installs on this machine is Debian.
[06:17] <ReleaseX> hello all
[06:17] <geargolem> hello fellow ubuntusers
[06:17] <JairunCaloth> I had annother distro ISO, but i think I forgot to burn it before I wipped windows
[06:17] <nickrud> Choubaka, you have a veryk dicerning machine
[06:17] <IIIEARS> Hi ReleaseX
[06:17] <tritium> hello geargolem
[06:18] <geneo93> Kevin:  you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:18] <Choubaka> To which I did tricks and transformed it into Ubuntu
[06:18] <geargolem> how is everybody?
[06:18] <Choubaka> nickrud: I need a new one -_-
[06:18] <JDahl> kestas, besides when you're doing number crunching petty things CFLAG are utterly irrelevant - it all comes down to good algorithms (and lots of memory)
[06:18] <nickrud> Choubaka, I had a guy with no cdrom, can he go from woody floppies to ubuntu somehow?
[06:18] <Choubaka> yes.
[06:18] <nickrud> ah,
[06:18] <nickrud> how?
[06:19] <jason_> gstreamer has been in a dependency confict for 3 weeks on this box
[06:19] <kestas> JDahl: thats what I said earlier; then why would you be number crunching in ubuntu with all its superflous kernel modules, daemons and gnome?
[06:19] <blaylock> man i love synaptic
[06:19] <blaylock> better than yum
[06:19] <bob2_> jason_: it's fine on hoary
[06:19] <IIIEARS> JDahl - are you computing the american national deficit? - you are going to need a more powerful machine.
[06:19] <jason_> im running hoary
[06:19] <Choubaka> Just install the most basic woody (don't do base-config), change sources to ubuntu, install synaptic, do dist-upgrade, and run base-config
[06:19] <jason_> do I need to chang my repository
[06:19] <bob2_> jason_: you must have packages from somewhere else or something then
[06:19] <Kevin> If something freezes like XMMS because u played mp3 with the wrong plugin, how would u force close it
[06:20] <tritium> kestas, you don't typically load all the modules ;)
[06:20] <bob2_> hah
[06:20] <bob2_> I can do that myself you know ;)
[06:20] <Choubaka> Kevin: kill `pidof xmms`
[06:20] <nickrud> Choubaka, thanks, if he ever shows again :)
[06:20] <crimsun_> bob2_: of course :)
[06:20] <kestas> tritium: they load themselves, and sure you can unload them or disable them, but then why are you using ubuntu if youre going to disable everything?
[06:21] <Kevin> yep worked thanks
[06:21] <tritium> kestas, I still like a nice desktop, especially one based on debian, and as well-done as ubuntu
[06:21] <seth_> Hello kestas. How are you tonight?
[06:21] <jason_> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:21] <jason_> The following packages have been kept back:
[06:21] <jason_>   gstreamer0.8-faad
[06:21] <kestas> tritium: so you can browse the web while running a protein folding simulation?!
[06:21] <kestas> seth_: howdy
[06:21] <kestas> seth_: hows the laptop?
[06:22] <atm> hi all
[06:22] <IIIEARS> crimsun - what is Fluenda?
[06:22] <elcu> Kevin: change the output plugin to eSound.  also check out beep-media-player.  it's a nicer version of XMMS IMO
[06:22] <atm> ubuntu live cd = no worky
[06:22] <kestas> seth_: xmms skipped yet?
[06:22] <geargolem> I am trying to get horgand to work but I need to $modprobe sen-seq
[06:22] <Lafitte-> atm,  what ya mean ?
[06:23] <geargolem> form where do I use that command?
[06:23] <nickrud> Hmm, Choubaka I'll have to read into your shorthand, but thainks agin
[06:23] <crimsun_> IIIEARS: come again?
[06:23] <whyameye> is it possible to install .deb packages and if so, how do you do it?
[06:23] <tritium> kestas, let's just leave it at my preference.
[06:23] <atm> it fails when booting the kernel. if i am using the USB mouse, it fails at mouse init. if ps2 mouse, it hangs on some ata1 timeout
[06:23] <tritium> whyameye, absolutely :)
[06:23] <Lafitte-> atm,  wow    thats harsh
[06:23] <tritium> whyameye, preferably ubuntu packages.  What are you hoping to install?
[06:24] <IIIEARS> Just read an article on "Totem" - they supported devekopment for it.
[06:24] <bob2_> IIIEARS: you mean Fluendo?
[06:24] <bob2_> IIIEARS: it's a spanish company working on gstreamer-related stuff
[06:24] <IIIEARS> geez eye stile canned spall....
[06:24] <IIIEARS> Yes
[06:24] <atm> any ideas?
[06:24] <geargolem> ALSA lib seq_hw.c:446:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory
[06:24] <whyameye> tritium: I was giving GTKWifi a shot. I'd like to find a good wireless GUI manager for my laptop
[06:24] <atm> brand new dell dimension 8400
[06:24] <crimsun_> geargolem: modprobe snd-seq && modprobe snd-seq-oss
[06:24] <sbcl3> everytime i do some task i hear this annoying drum noise
[06:25] <sbcl3> how can i get rid of it?
[06:25] <elcu> sbcl3: system->prefs->sound
[06:25] <whyameye> tritium: anyway, just so I know for the future, how do you install a .deb package?
[06:25] <sbcl3> thanks
[06:25] <whyameye> tritium: I ended up installing GTKWifi from the source...
[06:25] <tritium> whyameye, where did you find the package?  Generally, it's not recommended to install non-ubuntu packages, but it's not available in the ubuntu repos.
[06:25] <^thehatsrule^> dpkg -i file
[06:25] <^thehatsrule^> dpkg -i file.deb
[06:25] <^thehatsrule^> :)
[06:25] <geargolem> crimsun module sen_seq not found
[06:25] <tritium> whyameye, ah, never mind.  You installed from source...
[06:26] <blaylock> agp 8x is compatible with 4x slots right?
[06:26] <atm> ..
[06:26] <atm> anybody?
[06:26] <elcu> blaylock: yep, but it'll only run at 4x
[06:26] <blaylock> boy, im behind on my hardware....
[06:26] <whyameye> tritium: actually it doesn't work. After installation, when  I try to run I get (GTKWifi:12979): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[06:26] <whyameye> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[06:26] <JDahl> atm, I've had a lot of troubles with Dell Optiplex machines running Debian Testing; it sounds like the same problem.
[06:26] <blaylock> thats what i thought
[06:26] <IIIEARS> gstreamer is a huge donation to the communitty. - how did they support themselves while they wrote code for it?
[06:27] <kestas> atm fails how?
[06:27] <blaylock> thanks elcu
[06:27] <bob2_> IIIEARS: I don't think they wrote it from scratch
[06:27] <atm> hangs
[06:27] <kestas> atm what does it say?
[06:27] <geargolem> crimsun_  modprobe sen_seq not found
[06:27] <geneo93> blaylock:  yes i have that here
[06:27] <kestas> what does it say before it hang?
[06:27] <bob2_> IIIEARS: but they seel proprietary addons for it, which is how they make money (aiui).  as well as the usual consulting stuff.
[06:27] <blaylock> geneo93, what kind of card?
[06:27] <crimsun_> geargolem: double-check your syntax, please
[06:27] <blaylock> im thinking of getting the FX 5200
[06:27] <IIIEARS> Ah - okay. - would it be bad form to send a thank you email?
[06:27] <atm> its just kernel output, either regarding the mouse, or that ata1 has a timeout
[06:28] <bob2_> IIIEARS: hah, I'm sure theyd appreciate it
[06:28] <geneo93> nvidia
[06:28] <tritium> IIIEARS, no, it would probably be a nice gesture
[06:28] <bob2_> the guys from there I've met seemed like top folks
[06:28] <g14> IIIEARS: fluendo actually makes most of their money from a streaming media server
[06:28] <kestas> atm and when you unplug the mouse entirely it boots up fine?
[06:28] <geneo93> 440mx
[06:28] <geargolem> have, crimsun_  thats the return on modprobe sen-seq && modprobe sen-seq-oss
[06:28] <JDahl> atm, actually there was a bunch of problems... booting without acpi helped.
[06:28] <g14> IIIEARS: I have a good friend that works for fluendo
[06:28] <crimsun_> geargolem: not sEN but sND :)
[06:28] <IIIEARS> Then gstreamer creates a user base.
[06:29] <geargolem> my apologies, crimsun_
[06:29] <atm> i tried with a USB mouse and with a PS2 mouse
[06:29] <geneo93> blaylock:  i have the 7174 driver installed and it works great
[06:29] <atm> both with and without acpi and it never worked
[06:29] <kestas> atm try without either
[06:29] <JDahl> atm, are you using hoary?
[06:29] <atm> hmm
[06:29] <atm> yeah
[06:29] <atm> just got it
[06:29] <sgtkernel> hrm....what's the deal with cdrecord? -scanbus just warns me about the kernel version? I thought all that stuff with the non-scsi ide support was worked out...
[06:30] <kestas> sgtkernel: cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,0,0
[06:30] <sgtkernel> hrm
[06:30] <Razor-X> "This is how it feels like to be Anakin Skywalker, forever"
[06:30] <atm> ata1: command 0xa0 timeout, stat 0xd0 host_stat 0x21
[06:30] <kestas> sgtkernel: it doesnt mention to use ATAPI anywhere for some reason, but thats what youve got to do
[06:30] <Razor-X> ahhh, I love that quote
[06:30] <kestas> atm yeah so its not a mouse problem
[06:30] <bob2_> sgtkernel: ignore -scanbus unless you actually have a scsi burner
[06:30] <geargolem> thank you crimsun_
[06:30] <atm> so it seems
[06:30] <bob2_> sgtkernel: if you have an ide one, cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso
[06:30] <crimsun_> geargolem: np
[06:31] <kestas> atm try unplugging all unnecessary hdds
[06:31] <atm> theres only 1
[06:31] <kestas> atm and check the master/slave pins
[06:31] <kestas> ah
[06:31] <kestas> unplug your cdrom drives etc
[06:31] <geneo93> bob2 i have both
[06:31] <atm> its 250gb... could that be a problem?
[06:31] <IIIEARS> Linux - the best invention since sliced bread. (Okay i stole the quote so sue me.)
[06:31] <kestas> atm nah not on linux I dont think
[06:31] <sgtkernel> bob2, well, it's not command line i'm looking for. and dvdrip says:
[06:31] <sgtkernel> cdrecord device (n,n,n or filename): 0,X,0 has not format n,n,n and is no file : NOT Ok
[06:32] <atm> hmm
[06:32] <bob2> sgtkernel: dvdrip is broken then
[06:32] <kestas> linux access hdds directly so it doesnt need a 48 lba bios or anything
[06:32] <Razor-X> time to go to the slammer, IIIEARS
[06:32] <whyameye> bob2_: you mentioned before netapplet. I downloaded and installed. It seems there is no netapplet command? Do you know how I execute this on ubuntu?
[06:32] <bob2> whyameye: right click on the gnome panel, add applet, add the network one
[06:32] <atm> this sounds annoying. i think ill try fedora3
[06:32] <kestas> go for it
[06:32] <Razor-X> atm: why would you ever do that?
[06:32] <sysrq> bob2: scanbus can still be used without scsi, cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus
[06:32] <atm> mepis live cd didnt boot x...
[06:32] <atm> wtf
[06:32] <nickrud> IIIEARS, most everything we run is 'stolen', so ...
[06:32] <bob2> sysrq: right, but it's uneeccesary
[06:33] <geneo93> atm your crazy
[06:33] <JairunCaloth> FINALY
[06:33] <sgtkernel> bob2, that ATAPI device....would hdc be 0,0,0 or 0,0,1 or what?
[06:33] <JairunCaloth> I got Star wars galaxies running under linux
[06:33] <IIIEARS> Razor-X - Can i take my PC with me?
[06:33] <whyameye> bob2: what is the gnome panel? (sorry to be such a newbie)
[06:33] <JairunCaloth> I'm now officaily windows free
[06:33] <kestas> sgtkernel: thats a good question let me know when you figure it out
[06:33] <Razor-X> IIIEARS: nopes
[06:33] <bob2> sgtkernel: cdrecord wants the device /dev/hdc, not a number
[06:33] <kestas> hda is 0,0,0
[06:33] <kestas> thats all I know
[06:33] <bob2> sgtkernel: assuming it's an ide drive
[06:33] <kestas> it does?
[06:33] <sgtkernel> bob2, good call
[06:33] <bob2> kestas: not in general
[06:33] <kestas> ahhhh
[06:33] <Razor-X> although, I can boot up the machine, and put it in front of your shell
[06:34] <Razor-X> and add in all the updates
[06:34] <bob2> it varies
[06:34] <kestas> thats handy
[06:34] <Razor-X> just to make you suffer
[06:34] <bob2> whyameye: the thing at the top with the clock, find a blank area and right click on it
[06:34] <Razor-X> since it's right there, all out of reach
[06:34] <laosiano> what means that something is deprecated??
[06:34] <Razor-X> *cell
[06:34] <IIIEARS> no Ubuntu - was beginning to think it would be great. quit my job and learn C++. - grin
[06:34] <psychonate> I can't get mplayer to play my DVDs :(
[06:34] <Razor-X> laosiano: think deappreciated
[06:34] <bob2> laosiano: it means it's old, and you shouldn't use it anymore, because it's going to go away soon
[06:34] <kestas> laosiano: it is no longer being developed/is out of date
[06:34] <nickrud> laosiano, that means someone thinks they have a better way, you get to be the jugje
[06:34] <psychonate> I believe it's because of this: "The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec."
[06:35] <laosiano> thank you all!!
[06:35] <kestas> google define:deprecated
[06:35] <psychonate> I have libdvdcss, so I know it's not that
[06:35] <psychonate> It's just the VO
[06:35] <psychonate> and I've tried a few
[06:35] <Razor-X> 2 and a hlf hours till something finishes downloading
[06:35] <Razor-X> *half
[06:35] <tritium> Razor-X, what are you downloading?
[06:36] <nickrud> Razor-X, inquiring people want to know
[06:36] <Tritis> Hey all, does hoary have Gnome 2.8?  I see gnome 2.11.1 when i go to about gnome.  Is there a way to install gnome 2.8?  Thanks.
[06:36] <psychonate> BioVorE, Hey, if you think you can help, be my guess
[06:36] <atm> im rather disappointed
[06:36] <psychonate> s/guess/guest
[06:36] <bob2> Tritis: you're using breezy
[06:36] <IIIEARS> Razor-X - you are going to need 10gigs for an Ubuntu mirror - lol
[06:36] <bob2> Tritis: all you have is experimental gnome
[06:36] <BioVorE> I guess I can, I built mPlayer from source 100 times over..
[06:36] <bob2> Tritis: why do you want 2.8?
[06:37] <atm> ubuntu is linux for human beings, and i consider myself one of those
[06:37] <atm> =O
[06:37] <blaylock> geneo93, 7174 driver for the fx 5200?
[06:37] <psychonate> BioVorE, I'm sure I could build if I wanted to, but I don't think I should have to
[06:37] <jasoncohen> would it be a bad idea to use debian's main to install packages that are updated versions of those in universe/multiverse?
[06:37] <psychonate> This should work
[06:37] <bob2> jasoncohen: yes
[06:37] <psychonate> the fact that it doesn't makes me very angry
[06:37] <jasoncohen> bob2, why?
[06:37] <blaylock> geneo93, or is that the nvidia driver version
[06:37] <ogami1972> hi channel- anybody know how to open .ace archives?
[06:37] <bob2> jasoncohen: because they will have different dependencies to those in ubuntu
[06:37] <bob2> jasoncohen: so, you might get Debian's libc
[06:37] <nickrud> Tritis, warty (the old ubuntu) has 2.8 hoary (the current ubuntu) has 2.10 and breezy (the broken ubuntu) has 2.11\
[06:38] <Mosi> Anyone who might know where i can find an image for a bootable cd with a grub installer on it?
[06:38] <geneo93> yeah thats the nvidia version
[06:38] <BioVorE> well the problem with bins of mplayer is that you can't redistrubut some of the codecs becuse of copyright issues
[06:38] <Tritis> nickrud, bob2:  oh, i see That makes a lot of sense.   Thanks you two :)
[06:38] <blaylock> geneo93, cool...Ubuntu right?
[06:38] <jasoncohen> bob2, i'm pondering installing ubuntu as i like the idea of getting security updates and having new KDE etc. as well as the easy upgrade procedure but what is compelling about ubuntu v. debian testing? i asked this before but what i'm really wondering about is ease of configuration and useage
[06:39] <bob2> jasoncohen: hoary is ahead of testing already in almost al lregards
[06:39] <geneo93> yes all my linux distros have that now
[06:39] <psychonate> BioVorE, It's a DVD. It's only MPEG2. Do you really think that would be an issue?
[06:39] <sig> jasoncohen: dude first of all debian testing is unstable
[06:39] <kestas> does anyone get the choppy visualisations in xmms/bmp when using esd?
[06:39] <jasoncohen> sig, many people on #debian would argue it's more stable than ubuntu
[06:39] <sig> and ubuntu 5.04 Hoary is stable, so comparing the two is dumb
[06:39] <BioVorE> the dcss code is a prob
[06:39] <blaylock> geneo93, nice
[06:39] <sig> debian "testing"
[06:39] <IIIEARS> Mosi - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ - the torrent is very fast.
[06:39] <jasoncohen> yes, but ubuntu is a patched version of sid
[06:39] <bob2> sig: er, no, debian testing is not unstable at all
[06:40] <bob2> sig: please don't spread fud
[06:40] <psychonate> BioVorE, I've got libdvdcss, and xine works alright
[06:40] <blaylock> geneo93, there are still some issues with totem and network files that im still hasseling with
[06:40] <bob2> jasoncohen: so is sarge, more or less
[06:40] <blaylock> geneo93, but other than that im loving Ubuntu
[06:40] <IIIEARS> the servers are also speedy
[06:40] <sig> lol
[06:40] <Jeezis> so far i have found that ubuntu supports a larger variety of harware than debian
[06:40] <atm> >=[
[06:40] <Mosi> Thanks EARS
[06:40] <blaylock> Jeezis, def...especially laptops
[06:40] <jasoncohen> bob2, true, but i still think the debian developers are more conservative in what they put into testing
[06:40] <BioVorE> hmm..  I'll have to look into it..  I might make a deb for ubuntu for mplayer..   Or maybe shoot the current package admin an email
[06:41] <sig> The testing distribution contains packages that haven't been accepted into a stable release yet
[06:41] <geneo93> blaylock:  i like kubuntu myself
[06:41] <psychonate> BioVorE, it gets passed the encryption fine, but it craps out because the video device is apparently not compatible...
[06:41] <Jeezis> blaylock: just finished installing it on my hp pavilion ze4420us
[06:41] <sig> fud
[06:41] <bob2> sig: yes, shockingly
[06:41] <kestas> blaylock: Jeezis: anyone ubuntu can use any linux of the same version can use
[06:41] <sig> idito
[06:41] <IIIEARS> You can if you like be sent a free copy by mail if the download would take too long.
[06:41] <bob2> sig: atm it is completely frozen
[06:41] <blaylock> Jeezis, damn, i have the 4502ze
[06:41] <bob2> sig: oh, please stop it
[06:41] <Mosi> EARS: This is just to download Ubuntu, isnt' it? I need a GRUB bood CD
[06:41] <sig> no, you need to figure it out.
[06:41] <Mosi> *boot
[06:41] <atm> hmm
[06:41] <sig> my response was correct
[06:41] <bob2> no, it's not
[06:41] <sig> and you over reacted
[06:42] <bob2> debian testing at the moment is completely frozen
[06:42] <jasoncohen> bob2, why is ubuntu ahead of debian testing? Other than the biggies like gnome, kde and xorg, testing gets updates to a large array of apps (16,000) within a few days of entering unstable- so for example, i have the newest version of firefox, gaim, openvpn, gaim-otr (not in ubuntu) etc.
[06:42] <sig> bob2: and
[06:42] <bob2> and when it's not frozen, it's still not unsytable
[06:42] <kestas> Mosi: make a GRUB floppy
[06:42] <atm> RH9 install manages to boot a GUI installer... good sign for FC3 ?!?
[06:42] <blaylock> kestas, WTF are you trying to say?
[06:42] <kestas> Mosi: its easy peasy
[06:42] <Mosi> Kestas: On a Mac, no floppy drive
[06:42] <kestas> ah okay
[06:42] <IIIEARS> There are several CDs Live and install CDs - Add on CDs if you network connection is slow.
[06:42] <Jeezis> blaylock: having some trouble setting up a linksys wpc54g ver 2 wireless card
[06:42] <kestas> blaylock: '
[06:42] <jasoncohen> bob2, what i do think is cool about ubuntu are the quick security updates + what seems to be a much better configuration/setup
[06:42] <bob2> jasoncohen: no, testing at the moment is frozen
[06:42] <psychonate> BioVorE, Can you tell me what VO you use with mplayer by default?
[06:42] <blaylock> Jeezis, yeah i think the pcmcia bus is trashed on that machine
[06:43] <bob2> jasoncohen: and has not had updates of anything in weeks
[06:43] <jasoncohen> bob2, i know- i'm talking generally
[06:43] <Mosi> EARS: I have the PPC Install CD< is there a grub installer on that disk that i can run while booted from it?
[06:43] <bob2> jasoncohen: right
[06:43] <hayter> Is there SATA support in Hoary?
[06:43] <blaylock> Jeezis, i could never get it to work
[06:43] <kestas> blaylock: "WTF am I trying to say?" shit I dont believe I wrote that
[06:43] <bob2> jasoncohen: well, it dpeneds what you want
[06:43] <bob2> hayter: of course
[06:43] <jasoncohen> bob2, i just take from unstable at the moment- and i have had 0 probs doing that
[06:43] <atm> anyone know anything about fedora3?
[06:43] <ruiner54> can debian packages be used in ubuntu? Ive never used debian or a relative of it before
[06:43] <kestas> blaylock: "WTF am I trying to say?" that made no sense at all @_@
[06:43] <blaylock> Jeezis, eventually i just gave up
[06:43] <hayter> okay thanks
[06:43] <Jeezis> blaylock: so no wireless cards at all or would my wireless-b one work
[06:43] <bob2> jasoncohen: right, I ran debian unstable for years
[06:43] <kestas> blaylock: "WTF am I trying to say?" I need some coffee
[06:43] <ogami1972> anybody know how to open .ace archives?
[06:43] <bob2> ruiner54: yes, but its a bad idea
[06:43] <psychonate> atm, Why would you ask that in here?
[06:43] <blaylock> kestas, your english didnt make sense man
[06:43] <bob2> ogami1972: with the unace program
[06:43] <jasoncohen> bob2, the best thing about debian is the massive package selection and wonderful package management tools
[06:43] <Jeezis> blaylock: i have a belkin wireless-b
[06:43] <Mosi> My problem is that i installed Yaboot in the MBR, and i reinstalled Mac OS X over it to update, compeltely forgetting it would wipe my boot loader, so now i can't get to my Ubuntu partition
[06:43] <kestas> ogami1972: unace, but its no good
[06:43] <kestas> blaylock: yeah Ill explain it after coffee
[06:43] <bob2> jasoncohen: yup, and the fun of getting new toys every day
[06:43] <sysrq> psychonate: /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[06:43] <kestas> brb
[06:43] <ogami1972> ?
[06:43] <blaylock> Jeezis, if you get it to work let me know :-)
[06:43] <atm> well ubuntu doesnt work, and i need ideas
[06:44] <blaylock> kestas, haha
[06:44] <IIIEARS> Mosi - I don't really know the answer. - someone here will know
[06:44] <jasoncohen> bob2, what configuration tools does ubuntu have?
[06:44] <ruiner54> bob2: okay, so might as well find source or binary....will rpms work okay?
[06:44] <bob2> atm: "doesn't work"?
[06:44] <blaylock> kestas, we all have our days
[06:44] <Mosi> EARS: Thanks
[06:44] <Kevin> is it possible to convert a NTFS partition to FAT or some other format with read/write access in linux without losing the data already in the NTFS
[06:44] <jasoncohen> debian basically has nothing other than the default gnome & kde stuff
[06:44] <bob2> jasoncohen: about the same as Debian
[06:44] <kestas> anyone ubuntu can use any linux of the same version can use
[06:44] <atm> hangs during kernel boot
[06:44] <bob2> ruiner54: of what?
[06:44] <psychonate> sysrq, I want to know what *you* personally have
[06:44] <TiZZ> does anyone know what i have to install to get the header files for xwindows (Xlib.h etc)
[06:44] <kestas> aah
[06:44] <bob2> kestas: no, not without copying off and reformating it
[06:44] <blaylock> wow, this room is populated
[06:44] <jasoncohen> bob2, really, i saw all sorts of stuff in the screenshots
[06:44] <ruiner54> bob2: aterm
[06:44] <bob2> TiZZ: install build-essential and xlibs-dev
[06:44] <geneo93> bob2 newer toys
[06:44] <sysrq> psychonate: gl2
[06:44] <bob2> ruiner54: aterm is in ubuntu already
[06:44] <jasoncohen> bob2, so, why would you recommend ubuntu over debian?
[06:44] <kestas> what I meant to say is that you can use the same drivers on ubuntu linux on other linuxes
[06:44] <jasoncohen> testing
[06:44] <bob2> jasoncohen: there's gnome-system-tools, but they're in debian, too
[06:44] <TiZZ> bob2: thanks :)
[06:45] <bob2> jasoncohen: I wouldn't, in general
[06:45] <bob2> jasoncohen: it depends what you want
[06:45] <kestas> so therefore any hardware which works on one linux works on another
[06:45] <ruiner54> bob2: oh really? even ppc version
[06:45] <sysrq> psychonate: just play with a variety of them to see which works best on your system
[06:45] <atm> bob2: typically hangs when ata1 has a timeout
[06:45] <bob2> ruiner54: of course
[06:45] <bob2> ruiner54: the package selection is almost identical across architectures
[06:45] <ogami1972> sigh- i searched for "ace" in synaptice, but unace didn't come up until i looked for "unace"- thanks
[06:45] <kestas> with perhaps the hassly of installing drivers if theyre not packages as default, but its not that hard
[06:45] <bob2> ruiner54: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[06:45] <psychonate> sysrq, that's the problem. I can't get any of them working with DVDs
[06:45] <bob2> ruiner54: enable the universe repository
[06:45] <blaylock> kestas, ahh...now i gotcha
[06:45] <psychonate> sysrq, are you able to play DVDs fine with mplayer?
[06:45] <ruiner54> bob2: awesome, i guess i was too lazy to checj
[06:45] <kestas> blaylock: but I prefer "anyone ubuntu can use any linux of the same version can use"
[06:45] <psychonate> Is anyone here able to play DVDs fine with mplayer?
[06:45] <jasoncohen> bob2, can you explain what strengths ubuntu has over debian testing? Also, i'm not afraid of using unstable packages if i want them- i.e.- i had firefox 1.0.4 and gaim 1.3 before ubuntu or fedora
[06:46] <bob2> psychonate: yes
[06:46] <blaylock> kestas, yeah i knew that....i just dont use them much because every time there is a kernel update you have to recompile
[06:46] <Mosi> Does anyone know where i can get a burnable image for a boot CD with a grub installer on it?
[06:46] <sysrq> psychonate: maybe it isn't the vo, but instead because playing DVD's requires libs that don't come from ubuntu
[06:46] <blaylock> kestas, hahaha
[06:46] <ruiner54> bob2: thanks for the help
[06:46] <kestas> blaylock: yeah fair enough
[06:46] <bob2> Mosi: the live cd
[06:46] <bob2> ruiner54: you're welcome
[06:46] <psychonate> sysrq, I have libdvdcss if that's what you're referring to
[06:46] <geneo93> psychonate:  yes i can
[06:46] <blaylock> kestas, by the way...how DO we update a debian/Ubuntu kernel?
[06:46] <bob2> jasoncohen: ubuntu is stable and supported, testing is not.  this is especially a problem with security updates
[06:46] <jasoncohen> bob2, also, is there a net install of ubuntu?/ what's with the single cd install?
[06:46] <Mosi> bob2: I'm running on a PPC, there's no live CD for me, just install
[06:46] <kestas> blaylock: search synaptic for linux
[06:46] <blaylock> kestas, hmm...i havent thought about that yet
[06:47] <psychonate> OK, If you guys are using an mplayer package for Ubuntu, can one/both of you maybe post your /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf in #flood?
[06:47] <kestas> blaylock: itll do it automatically though
[06:47] <bob2> jasoncohen: not that I know.  a simple cd is very very simple and quick to install.
[06:47] <kestas> :)
[06:47] <bob2> jasoncohen: I do a netboot install, generally, which is even lighter than a netinst
[06:47] <bob2> Mosi: er, there is a live cd for all architectures
[06:47] <bob2> psychonate: you don't need to touch that file
[06:47] <jasoncohen> ah, i did the sarge netinst and the second time i did a clone of my system
[06:47] <jasoncohen> i love net installs
[06:47] <IIIEARS> Can you "grub-update" from the live CD?
[06:47] <bob2> IIIEARS: of course
[06:47] <jasoncohen> i added the marillat source and had a duplicate of my first system in an hour
[06:47] <blaylock> kestas, yeah i figured
[06:48] <IIIEARS> Mosi - Newb buddy you are "in" - wide grin
[06:48] <eob84> how do I configure gnome to use my graphics card?
[06:48] <psychonate> bob2, Can you tell me what your default VO is?
[06:48] <jasoncohen> bob2, so, you think ubuntu is more stable than sarge?
[06:48] <Mosi> bob2: ne didn't ship to me with the isntall CD, but i ordered a few months ago, i'll check again. thanks.
[06:48] <eob84> I have configured X to use my graphics card
[06:48] <bob2> psychonate: some useless crap, probably x11.  mplayer -vo xv ...
[06:48] <eob84> but gnome seems a little choppy
[06:48] <Kevin> Is it possible to convert a NTFS partition to FAT or some other format with read/write access in linux without losing the data already in the NTFS
[06:48] <atm> BAHAHA fedora just pwnd ubuntu
[06:48] <bob2> jasoncohen: you said testing, not sarge, sarge is a different story
[06:48] <psychonate> bob2, I can't seem to get any of them working with DVDs
[06:48] <jasoncohen> bob2, let's stick with testing
[06:48] <bob2> Kevin: no, as I already said, you have to copy the data off, reformat, copy it back
[06:49] <bob2> jasoncohen: then yes, ubuntu is more stable than testing (by definition)
[06:49] <bob2> Mosi: warty didn't have a livecd for ppc, hoary does
[06:49] <psychonate> I always get "The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec."
[06:49] <Boricua540> hmm keeps doing this. I adjusted the power management in my bios, the systems seems to hang for a second or two then continues with operation... I dont know what to do. When i move the mouse, there is a little freeze and then it finally moves
[06:49] <bob2> psychonate: works for me
[06:49] <atm> ah, wait. doesnt seem to recognize my hard drive. hm.
[06:49] <jasoncohen> bob2, well, definitions aren't necessarily true? i dont' think fc3 is more stable than testing
[06:49] <psychonate> video decoder: libmpeg2
[06:49] <Kevin> ok Next question can i use the rest of the unused space on the NTFS drive and make a new partition out of it?
[06:49] <eob84> does anyone know why gnome seems a little choppy compared to KDE?
[06:49] <bob2> Kevin: you can try to shrink it with ntfsresize
[06:49] <psychonate> bob2, what did you do to mplayer to get it playing DVDs? Did you just install libdvdcss?
[06:50] <bob2> psychonate: yes
[06:50] <psychonate> damn
[06:50] <psychonate> I don't know what the problem is then
[06:50] <jasoncohen> when's breezy coming out?
[06:50] <bob2> jasoncohen: ubuntu stable does not change. at all.  debian testing does.  that's the definition I'm using.
[06:50] <blaylock> kestas, one other thing i didnt like was the install process
[06:50] <bob2> jasoncohen: october
[06:50] <blaylock> kestas, i like to partition my drives the way i like...and i must have missed that part
[06:50] <blaylock> kestas, because it just "went"
[06:50] <jasoncohen> interesting- hoary universe doesn't have gaim-otr
[06:51] <bob2> jasoncohen: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[06:51] <blizah> ort?
[06:51] <geneo93> psychonate:  did you install 586 mplayer
[06:51] <eob84> ??
[06:51] <psychonate> geneo93, K6
[06:51] <blaylock> jasoncohen, whats gaim-otr?
[06:51] <jasoncohen> blizah, off the record messaging
[06:51] <eob84> does anyone in here use GNOME?
[06:51] <bob2> eob84: everyone does
[06:51] <blaylock> eob84, umm dude
[06:51] <blizah> jasoncohen, ah
[06:51] <bob2> eob84: no one answered because your question was too vague
[06:51] <jasoncohen> http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/
[06:51] <psychonate> geneo93, I'm running an Athlong
[06:51] <psychonate> I can post my output in #flood if anyone cares
[06:51] <jasoncohen> it's better than gaim-otr as it has perfect forward secrecy
[06:51] <atm> help, someone, please
[06:51] <jasoncohen> and the deniability is cool too
[06:52] <bob2> atm: please stop it
[06:52] <eob84> bob2, how is it vague... the gnome interface is choppy
[06:52] <blizah> jasoncohen, what about gaim encryption
[06:52] <bob2> atm: ask a question instead of vageluy insiting you get help
[06:52] <jasoncohen> eob84, that's not a useful question- it's a yes or no answer
[06:52] <geneo93> oh gee i hate those things
[06:52] <bob2> eob84: no, it's not choppy for me
[06:52] <atm> bob2: fedora says i dont have a hard drive, which may indicate the problem ubuntu is having
[06:52] <jasoncohen> blizah, gaim-encryption doesn't have PFS so if someone steals your key all your future and past conversations are stolen
[06:52] <eob84> bob2, hmm
[06:52] <kestas> blaylock: there was a whole section in the install for partitioning your drives the way you want
[06:52] <bob2> atm: #fedora then.
[06:52] <blizah> jasoncohen, ah
[06:53] <nickrud> lol
[06:53] <eob84> bob2, when you resize a window does it lag a bit?
[06:53] <jasoncohen> blizah, with gaim-otr, if someone steals your key they can't get any past or future conversations. every message is encrypted with a new temporal key
[06:53] <bob2> atm: does anything see your disk?
[06:53] <blaylock> kestas, yeah like i said...i must have missed it
[06:53] <atm> the point is that i'd like ubuntu to work
[06:53] <atm> i guess not
[06:53] <bob2> eob84: no
[06:53] <kestas> blaylock: eee it was like the only thing you actually had to do in the install process
[06:53] <bob2> atm: then how do you know your hardware is not screwed?
[06:53] <blaylock> kestas, is it where it askes you to erase the drive?
[06:53] <kestas> blaylock: everything else is done for you
[06:53] <jasoncohen> blizah, in fact gaim-otr supports a second mode of authentication (the secret id) for out of bounds authentication for further security so two people could both have their keys stolen and still have a secure conversation
[06:53] <geneo93> psychonate:  open a terminal and paste the file your trying to play and see what the error is
[06:53] <atm> beacuse its brand new and xp home work
[06:53] <atm> s
[06:54] <kestas> blaylock: I think you can choose 'use the whole drive (easy option)' or 'partition'
[06:54] <blizah> jasoncohen, heh neat stuff
[06:54] <eob84> bob2, it is for me in gnome... but not in KDE
[06:54] <jasoncohen> yeah, check out the white paper
[06:54] <geneo93> mplayer file
[06:54] <jasoncohen> very interesting
[06:54] <blaylock> kestas, hmmm
[06:54] <blaylock> oh....is there an mplayer plugin for firefox? I cant seem to find one
[06:54] <nickrud> atm, ubuntu works, and nicely
[06:55] <atm> i beg to differ
[06:55] <bob2> this is obviously a hardware-specific issue
[06:55] <geneo93> jasoncohen:  better not say to much here then
[06:55] <jasoncohen> um...mysql is in universe?
[06:55] <bob2> making generalisations either way is stupid
[06:55] <atm> the error fedora gives me is: "... no valid devices were found on which to create new file systems..."
[06:55] <jasoncohen> why isn't it in main?
[06:55] <nickrud> atm, not to get into a pssing contest, but details are the essence
[06:55] <bob2> jasoncohen: no, it's in supported
[06:55] <psychonate> geneo93, I just asked if you wanted to see that five minutes ago ;)
[06:56] <psychonate> geneo93, Do you want the line that I think is relevant, or the whole thing?
[06:56] <Mosi> This is kind of a stupid question, but does anyone know if i can burn an ISO with Toast?
[06:56] <jasoncohen> oh, ok
[06:56] <elcu> blaylock: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[06:57] <jasoncohen> bob2, 4.1.10a is in universe and 4.0.23 is in main
[06:57] <geneo93> psychonate:  i doing many things here
[06:57] <psychonate> Here's what I think is relevant:
[06:57] <psychonate> "The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec.
[06:57] <psychonate> VDecoder init failed :(
[06:57] <psychonate> "
[06:57] <bob2> jasoncohen: no, packages should not be in both sections
[06:57] <jasoncohen> bob2, what do you mean?
[06:57] <jasoncohen> it is
[06:57] <psychonate> I think the sad face mplayer displayed sorta gives it away, but I could be wrong lol
[06:57] <bob2> jasoncohen: they're different packages
[06:57] <jasoncohen> yes
[06:58] <blaylock> elcu, thanks
[06:58] <jasoncohen> bob2, what were you referring to when you said ubuntu was ahead of debian testing in most respects?
[06:58] <_dockane_> which software would you recommend for cdrecording ?
[06:58] <jasoncohen> kernel, KDE, gnome?
[06:58] <bob2> jasoncohen: e.g. gnome 2.10
[06:58] <bob2> _dockane_: nautilus
[06:58] <psychonate> oh, wait a minute
[06:58] <psychonate> might've found something useful in the forums here
[06:59] <psychonate> lemme check
[06:59] <geneo93> wauy ahead
[06:59] <jasoncohen> is KDE supported by default? i'm confused about the ubuntu v. kubuntu distinction as ubuntu has KDE
[06:59] <nickrud> _dockane_, nautilus and gnomebaker :)
[06:59] <_dockane_> bob2, do i have to take care of anyhting if i need "win" (2k/xp) compatible cds ?
[06:59] <bob2> _dockane_: no
[06:59] <bob2> jasoncohen: the difference is whether kde or gnome is installed
[06:59] <bob2> jasoncohen: kubuntu is supported by the ubuntu security team etc, too
[06:59] <Swelly> How do i install ubuntu as opposed to running it off the cd ?
[07:00] <sgtkernel> anybody using wine in ubuntu? mine seems to be having some trouble writing into the fake c drive....
[07:00] <jasoncohen> bob2, so the difference is which is installed by default? can't you choose that in the installer?
[07:00] <sgtkernel> perhaps even reading from it too
[07:00] <elcu> _dockane_: no such thing as wincompatible AFAIK.  CDs are OS independent.
[07:00] <bob2> jasoncohen: no
[07:00] <nickrud> _dockane_, drag and drop into the nautilus burn:// window , it works great for data\
[07:00] <bob2> Swelly: you get an install cd
[07:00] <Swelly> i cant install it from the live cd ?
[07:00] <bob2> elcu: well, there are OS-specific extensions
[07:00] <bob2> Swelly: no
[07:00] <Swelly> arr ok :)
[07:00] <bob2> windows has Joliet, unix has RockRidge
[07:01] <Swelly> that would be why i'm having problems then :P cheers
[07:01] <elcu> bob2: true
[07:01] <geneo93> sgtkernel:  you have permissions
[07:01] <psychonate> nvm, that didn't help
[07:01] <sgtkernel> geneo93, permissions all over the .wine directory are rxwrwxrwx
[07:02] <nickrud> and burn:// so far, has worked fine with both windows and linx, I'll leave rockridge and jolie to the developers
[07:02] <sgtkernel> geneo93, when i run 'wine notepad.exe' from the windows dir, it says the equiv of 'no such file or dir'
[07:02] <geneo93> so you dont then
[07:02] <nickrud> typos hopefully ignored
[07:03] <bob2> sgtkernel: give it the path to notepad.exe
[07:03] <sgtkernel> bob2, did that; no change
[07:03] <sgtkernel> todd@todd:~/.wine/drive_c/windows$ wine /home/todd/.wine/drive_c/windows/notepad.exe
[07:03] <sgtkernel> Invoking /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin /home/todd/.wine/drive_c/windows/notepad.exe ...wine: cannot find '/home/todd/.wine/drive_c/windows/notepad.exe'
[07:03] <sgtkernel> Wine failed with return code 1
[07:03] <geneo93> sgtkernel:  open a terminal and type wine notepad
[07:04] <bob2> sgtkernel: you're sure the file exists?
[07:04] <sgtkernel> todd@todd:~/.wine/drive_c/windows$ ls -al notepad.exe
[07:04] <sgtkernel> lrwxrwxrwx  1 todd todd 28 2005-05-19 22:04 notepad.exe -> /usr/lib/wine/notepad.exe.so
[07:04] <_dockane_> looks pretty easy ... thanks for the nautilus / burn:// hind ... i am totally fu**** up : 48 h no sleep
[07:04] <bob2> er
[07:04] <bob2> sgtkernel: did wine do that itself?
[07:05] <bob2> a .so file looks rather unrunable to me
[07:05] <geneo93> heh he just said it dont have write permissions to the dir
[07:05] <bob2> sgtkernel: also, does "/usr/lib/wine/notepad.exe.so" exist?
[07:05] <bob2> Swelly: yes
[07:05] <sgtkernel> todd@todd:~/.wine/drive_c/windows$ wine /usr/lib/wine/notepad.exe.so
[07:05] <sgtkernel> Invoking /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin /usr/lib/wine/notepad.exe.so ...
[07:05] <sgtkernel> wine: cannot find '/usr/lib/wine/notepad.exe.so'
[07:05] <sgtkernel> Wine failed with return code 1
[07:05] <Swelly> thanks
[07:05] <metalsand> I have a quick HTML question
[07:05] <jasoncohen> so, if i plan to use KDE i should dl kubuntu rather than ubuntu?
[07:05] <sgtkernel> no, these ls commands i ran ....note the prompt
[07:05] <metalsand> How can I align the zebra on the FAR left of: http://zebrasoncrack.com/personal/index.html
[07:05] <jasoncohen> nah, i think i'll just download ubuntu. I'll install KDE myself. I want to try out gnome 2.10
[07:06] <bob2> sgtkernel: does the /usr/lib/wine/notepad.exe.so file exist?
[07:06] <sgtkernel> bob2, hehe....nope
[07:06] <sgtkernel> hrm
[07:06] <bob2> sgtkernel: that's the problem then
[07:06] <sgtkernel> yep
[07:06] <bob2> jasoncohen: yes
[07:06] <bob2> jasoncohen: or install ubuntu and install kubuntu-desktop
[07:06] <jasoncohen> ok
[07:06] <sgtkernel> wonder why those things point there, and where they should instead.
[07:06] <geneo93> sgtkernel:  try sudo wine notepad
[07:07] <sgtkernel> wine: cannot find 'notepad'
[07:07] <sgtkernel> Wine failed with return code 1
[07:07] <blaylock> man that didnt work
[07:07] <bob2> geneo93: unless you really think that will help, please don't suggest it
[07:07] <jasoncohen> bob2, thanks for the help
[07:08] <jasoncohen> btw, what led you to use ubuntu?
[07:08] <bob2> working with the people that made it;)
[07:08] <nickrud> rflol
[07:08] <jasoncohen> heh, cool
[07:08] <geneo93> bob2 he said his wine dir was unwriteable
[07:09] <nickrud> bob2, may I say thank you?
[07:09] <jasoncohen> bob2, do you know why they backported firefox 1.0.3 and 1.0.2 when both were solely security updates...and from what i hear because it's versioned at 1.0.2 you can't download extensions in ubuntu. i
[07:09] <jasoncohen> sorry 1.0.4 and 1.0.3
[07:10] <trisha> testing
[07:10] <bob2> geneo93: it's in his homedir, if it's not writable by him/her, he/she should fix it
[07:10] <psychonate> How bad is it to use the Force Version option?
[07:10] <bob2> nickrud: hah, I didn't do anything but write other stuff to eventually help them work more effectively
[07:10] <psychonate> I mean, it's not so bad right? I can just revert back to the proper version of I choose, no?
[07:10] <bob2> jasoncohen: this is how ubuntu (and debian) stable works...upstreams have traditionally not been able to resist adding other things to their "security" updates
[07:10] <nickrud> infrastructure is what makes the world go round
[07:11] <bob2> heh, I like to think so :)
[07:11] <jasoncohen> bob2, why can't firefox recognize that it's patched and allow users to download extensions?
[07:11] <jasoncohen> or perhaps look to the whole version name to check for something which would indicate it's up to date
[07:12] <bob2> jasoncohen: that problem should have been fixed in the hoary update repositoriy
[07:12] <Madpilot> to get Flash working w/ FF & Opera, which of Syn's flash packages do I need?
[07:13] <jasoncohen> what state is breezy currently in? like debian unstable?
[07:14] <elcu> Madpilot: ubuntuguide recommends the macromedia plugin: http://ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla
[07:14] <jasoncohen> i guess the PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET means the answer to that question is as unstable or more so, heh
[07:14] <k4rp0r> i need some help, I have been installing wolfenstein E.T for linux and i cant get it work. It says something like this:"The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1" anyone have an idea?
[07:14] <bob2> jasoncohen: more broken than that
[07:14] <bob2> jasoncohen: X, glibc, gcc and g++ are being updated
[07:14] <geneo93> testing beyond
[07:15] <jasoncohen> ah, to be expected i guess
[07:15] <Madpilot> elcu, thanks, flashplayer-mozilla is in syn, so I'll grab that.
[07:15] <jasoncohen> debian's weird though. unstable is usually pretty decent
[07:15] <jasoncohen> on other distros- test releases are unusable
[07:16] <geneo93> not so
[07:16] <jasoncohen> bob2, does ubuntu have any graphical utilitity for wireless network setup?
[07:17] <bob2> jasoncohen: some gnome system tool thing, I think
[07:17] <philc1> I've added an eth0:0 device to /etc/network/interfaces. When I ifdown and ifup eth0, eth0:0 is not brought up. How can I have it brought up with eth0 automatically?
[07:17] <seth> Hello again.
[07:19] <bob_> anyone familiar with idle and python?
[07:19] <philc1> philc1: edit /etc/network/interfaces and add auto  eth0:0
[07:20] <Madpilot> blast. flashplayer-mozilla works w/ FF, but not Opera. Anyone here run Opera & Flash?
[07:20] <JDahl> bob_, why dont you try #python?
[07:21] <bob_> I'm a python newb,  have it running in windows and wanted to see it run in linux
[07:21] <JDahl> bob_, it runs fine on linux, but I dont think it's used that much
[07:22] <geneo93> just type python and go to it then
[07:22] <bob_> I was under the impression that python was pretty important in linux
[07:22] <JDahl> bob_, idle is not used that much
[07:22] <geneo93> JDahl: hehe
[07:23] <bob_> ok, tks,  is there a favourite development environment for it
[07:23] <geneo93> JDahl:  there is lots of python in ubuntu
[07:23] <bob_> that's what I thought
[07:23] <JDahl> bob_, just use python from a shell and any editor (emacs, vim...)
[07:23] <bob2> bob_: people tend to just use their favourite editor to develop python code
[07:23] <bob2> I use vim and emacs21
[07:24] <geneo93> py-qt might work for u
[07:24] <bob2> also, ipython is very very nice for playing with python
[07:24] <elcu> Madpilot: jsut quickly looking in synaptic: libflash-swfplayer  i'd google around though
[07:24] <bob_> I'll try that,  tks
[07:25] <Madpilot> elcu: thnx, I'm also looking around Opera's help site. Macromedia also has a d/l available, but I'd like to avoid that!
[07:25] <geneo93> python has its own if i'm not mistaken bob_
[07:25] <jb1> confession: i wiped a
[07:25] <bob2> geneo93: yes, but ipython is way nicer
[07:25] <jb1> slack distro today and put ubuntu on
[07:25] <bob2> links like completion and histor
[07:25] <bob2> y
[07:26] <geneo93> yeah i guess
[07:26] <JDahl> bob2, regular python from a shell has that also, if you setup a startup + history file
[07:27] <bob_> I found python and it works,  now,   where is ipython?  do I have to download and install it?
[07:27] <bob2> no, it's a package you install like any other
[07:28] <bob2> sudo aptitude install ipython, for instance
[07:28] <bob_> tks for your help,  much appreciated,   sometimes linux takes a bit of getting used to, and without help it iseasy to get lost
[07:29] <bob2> yup
[07:29] <bob2> I'm quite amazed at the dedication of a lot of new ubuntu users
[07:29] <bob2> I'd have given up long before
[07:29] <JDahl> bob_, you dont strictly need ipython (unless you're using threaded applications in interactive mode)
[07:29] <Plapla> hello
[07:29] <geneo93> yeah its sort of like build esential
[07:29] <bob_> well,  linux is getting so good,  it is worth spending the time to get up to speed
[07:30] <Plapla> an easy answer question
[07:30] <Plapla> what is the default password for root?
[07:30] <bob2> Plapla: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:30] <bob2> Plapla: also, there was a screen at the end of the install which explained it to you
[07:30] <geneo93> bob2 and you,d still be using windows
[07:30] <bob2> and it's in the faq...
[07:30] <geneo93> Plapla:  sudo
[07:30] <bob2> geneo93: heh, windows 98 was the last one I ran, and I was glad to be rid of it
[07:31] <bob_> windoze,  well,  my clients still use it and I use futures trading software that isnt available for linux yet
[07:31] <geneo93> bob2 thats when i switched also
[07:31] <Plapla> thaks.... i was desperate to install to finish that i relly didnt read all its sayed
[07:32] <nickrud> bob2, I think a lot of it is you all have reached the critical mass
[07:32] <Madpilot> can someone check this out --> http://www.opera.com/linux/docs/plugins/install/#flash  <-- and tell me if it'll go right in Ubuntu?
[07:32] <coey> hi...
[07:32] <Madpilot> It looks like it will, but I want to check!
[07:32] <geneo93> YET
[07:33] <nickrud> I mean, I'm cheap, which makes me a FOSS leach, but FOSS has become a real thing, not just an intellectual oddity
[07:34] <geneo93> is that the version of flash that has holes
[07:34] <elcu> Madpilot: looks ok.  it's not distro specific
[07:34] <Xyc0> Where can i find deb packages specificaly for Ubuntu
[07:34] <bob2> Xyc0: in the ubuntu repositories...
[07:34] <bob2> Xyc0: you're already configured to use them
[07:35] <geneo93> apt-get
[07:35] <Xyc0> ok, how about .deb packages in general
[07:35] <Madpilot> elcu, thnx. I keep forgetting that the underlying architecture of linuxiods is pretty much the same...
[07:35] <Jeezis> how do you change permissions on a file, ie being able to resave a file after editing it
[07:35] <nickrud> Xyc0, packages.ubuntu.com
[07:35] <Xyc0> awsome thanks
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> some free place where i can post images ? much like a paste bin for images ?
[07:35] <bob2> Plapla: ask questions in the channel
[07:35] <bob2> Jeezis: chmod
[07:36] <Pluk> yay finally got maya running
[07:36] <bob2> Jeezis: any file you create you can edit, though
[07:36] <elcu> Madpilot: np.  i'd avoid using rpms or debs that you can't find in the ubuntu repos though.  i.e. ALWAYS CHECK THE REPOS FIRST. :-)  makes it easier anyway.
[07:36] <bob2> Plapla: please stop /msg'ing me
[07:36] <elcu> da_bon_bon: google tinypic or imageshack
[07:37] <Madpilot> elcu: understood re: the repos, but it looks like for Opera I've got to go outside them...
[07:37] <bob2> Plapla: just ask your question in here
[07:37] <elcu> Madpilot: ok. no worries. :-)
[07:38] <Jeezis> bob2: i'm trying to save /etc/pcmcia/config to save and it keeps telling me it fails
[07:38] <geneo93> screw opera
[07:38] <bob2> Jeezis: sudo nano /etc/pcmcia/config
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> elcu: thanks
[07:38] <Xyc0> that sudo thing is awsome
[07:39] <Xyc0> first distro ive used with it
[07:39] <Xyc0> makes life easier
[07:39] <geneo93> Jeezis:  sudo gedit
[07:39] <Jeezis> no no, i edited it in kate and now i just want to save it
[07:40] <bob2> you can't
[07:40] <JDahl> what's the pastebin web address? I wanted to give bob_ my .startup.py file
[07:40] <bob2> re-open it in kate run with sudo and try again
[07:40] <Jeezis> .ok, i'll try
[07:40] <geneo93> Jeezis:  you have to use sudo kate then
[07:40] <Xyc0> you dont change permissions on the file, you chage your user temporarily
[07:40] <Razor-X> no, not sudo
[07:40] <Razor-X> try kdesu kate
[07:41] <Razor-X> else, it won't work
[07:41] <Plapla> and how do i mount a partition then?
[07:41] <Plapla> sudo mount -t xxxxxxxxx?
[07:41] <Xyc0> mount
[07:41] <bob2> Plapla: yes
[07:41] <linuxamoeba21> hey all
[07:41] <geneo93> oh teah i use su
[07:42] <Razor-X> sudo mount -t auto /dev/path/to/disk /mnt/local/mount/point
[07:42] <linuxamoeba21> please dont hate me. i am atm from before. i am now more positive.
[07:42] <linuxamoeba21> the fedora people got the issue resolved and i can boot ubuntu now.
[07:42] <JDahl> bob_, http://pastebin.com/286839 is a startup file that makes standard python quite helpful in interactive mode
[07:42] <Razor-X> substitute /path/to/disk with the hdd letter and number, and /local/mount/point the path where you want to mount it at
[07:42] <PaloDeQueso> Where can I find technical specs on the latest release of kubuntu, like xorg or xfree and things like that?
[07:42] <nickrud> Razor-X, that's not bad
[07:43] <linuxamoeba21> fyi, it was the bios settings on the dimension 8400, that "SATA operation" must be set to "combination"
[07:43] <bob2> PaloDeQueso: the release announcement, I guess
[07:43] <Razor-X> linuxamoeba21: you mean the guy who got made about AOL Dialer?
[07:43] <_simple> i uninstalled firefox 1.0.2 to install firefox 1.0.4 which inturn uninstalled yelp, when i try to install yelp it wants to install firefox 1.0.2 with it, how can i just install yelp ?
[07:43] <linuxamoeba21> no
[07:43] <linuxamoeba21> no aol
[07:43] <Razor-X> oh, nevermind then
[07:43] <linuxamoeba21> i was the hangs-during-install guy
[07:43] <Razor-X> ohhhh, I see
[07:43] <linuxamoeba21> anyway, thanks for the help
[07:44] <bob2> _simple: you can't
[07:44] <blaylock> anybody have the mplayer plugin working for firefox?
[07:44] <JDahl> linuxamoeba21, I actually remember that now you say it... Dell makes shitty PCs :S
[07:44] <_simple> alright.
[07:44] <limer> hello all.  is there a possibility that ubuntu can issue commands to an optical drive that leads to it's demise?
[07:44] <nate__> need help with madwifi
[07:44] <linuxamoeba21> we'll see about that :D
[07:44] <herpes> PaloDeQueso, http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kubuntu
[07:44] <_simple> so wtf do to?
[07:44] <geneo93> man i'm glad i dont have to use aol
[07:45] <Razor-X> limer: possible, yes, likely, no
[07:45] <bob2> _simple: install firefox 1.0.2
[07:45] <_simple> just have 1.0.4 and 1.0.2 installed and just use 1.0.4?
[07:45] <Razor-X> geneo93: who isn't?
[07:45] <bob2> _simple: if you really have to have a newer one or you'll die and burst into flames, get the tarball from www.mozilla.org
[07:45] <_simple> i'm using the new one
[07:45] <Razor-X> (except that one guy in a fume about paying for it)
[07:45] <limer> Razor-X, I only ask b/c I had a BenQ drive suddenly fail on me and now my Lite-On DVD-ROM will not read CDs
[07:45] <_simple> i've lost a few shirts to fire..
[07:45] <_simple> but i'm using it
[07:45] <limer> just very strange
[07:45] <Xyc0> Its only security patches
[07:45] <Xyc0> nothing is UPDATED
[07:46] <Xyc0> themes work on the old ones too
[07:46] <Razor-X> limer: I doubt it's anything Ubuntu could have done
[07:46] <_simple> why on earth would i want security patches?
[07:46] <nate__> i just did make and make install but it put it into a different dir than my kernel libs
[07:46] <Razor-X> it's pretty hard to kill a drive with software things
[07:46] <nate__> is this the right place to ask??
[07:46] <bob2> nate__: you didn't ask anything yet
[07:46] <Razor-X> are you sure your ./configure paths are correct?
[07:46] <Madpilot> going to have to shut down Opera to install Flash. back in a bit. (yeah, I use Opera Chat for IRC)
[07:46] <limer> Razor-X, that's what I would think . . . just seems very coincidental
[07:46] <geneo93> limer:  it maybe a permissions issue
[07:46] <bob2> nate__: explain what you're trying to do, what you did, and what happened
[07:47] <limer> using windoze for the moment
[07:47] <limer> needed to get a resume done
[07:47] <nate__> i am trying to install the newest cvs for madwifi drivers
[07:47] <Razor-X> limer: well, coincidental things happen, like a registry fail after a linux live CD bootup
[07:47] <nickrud>  I read on this list last night that if you change general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4, extensions will work again.
[07:47] <Razor-X> in a huge crowd of users, there's always a person to whom something unfortunate happens
[07:47] <bob2> nate__: the ones in hoary don't work for you?
[07:47] <limer> Razor-X, I understand.  I'm not the sort of person that generally jumps to conclusions . . . but so much at once :P
[07:47] <nate__> i downloaded the newest snapshot and unpacked it....ran make and make install and have the .ko files
[07:47] <nickrud> is this correct?
[07:47] <nate__> no...
[07:48] <geneo93> why are they mad
[07:48] <nate__> i get a hal 13 unable to attach dmesg error
[07:48] <Razor-X> is it _really_ dead?
[07:48] <Razor-X> I brought someone's HDD back from the dead
[07:48] <Plapla> where can i find more info about ACM to connect mi cell phone to Ubuntu?
[07:48] <Razor-X> Linux, Windows, and DOS refused to write to it
[07:48] <Razor-X> but, then, I came along ;)
[07:48] <limer> the BenQ dvd rewriter is screwed.  this liteon dvdrom drive isn't "dead" so in the same mechanical fasion as the BenQ
[07:48] <nate__> i am using a netgear WG511T with the AR5212 chip (atheros)
[07:49] <Xyc0> Off Topic, What is a good Media Player?
[07:49] <Razor-X> I have an hour till something finished downloading
[07:49] <Razor-X> better get my ass to work on my project
[07:50] <limer> I had a seagate barracuda IV that died strangely.  hd internal IDE controller complete failure
[07:50] <geneo93> i remember the fisrt series of 2.6 kernel not agreeing with firmware on certain cdrom drives
[07:50] <Razor-X> Xyc0: VLC, IMO
[07:50] <Xyc0> Razor-X: VLC?
[07:50] <geneo93> lg drives if i remember correctly
[07:50] <nate__> i read that the newer version of the hal works with just about everything
[07:50] <Plapla> ACM?
[07:50] <Razor-X> VideoLAN Client
[07:50] <limer> geneo93, what were the ultimate effects?
[07:50] <Xyc0> Razor-X: for playing AVI and OGV files?
[07:50] <Razor-X> a very popular media player
[07:50] <Razor-X> yeahp
[07:50] <Razor-X> it plays almost anything
[07:51] <Xyc0> awoms
[07:51] <gzllinux> How read the "ubuntu"?
[07:51] <limer> vlc kicks butt
[07:51] <Xyc0> Xine isnt working to well
[07:51] <Plapla> does ubuntu uses APT?
[07:51] <Xyc0> yea
[07:51] <Razor-X> yeah, rather than going through codec/configuring hell, I just use VLC
[07:51] <Razor-X> much easier, and I haven't had a single problem yet
[07:51] <elcu> gzllinux: er, very read?
[07:51] <Mosi> Anyone know of any command-line clients for IRC that are worth using?
[07:51] <Razor-X> reads all the formats i've thrown at it so far: AVI (DivX), MOV, MP3, OGM, and FLAC
[07:51] <gzllinux> ?
[07:52] <elcu> Plapla: apt-get? yes
[07:52] <limer> Mosi, I liked bitch-x
[07:52] <Razor-X> Mosi: BitchX
[07:52] <Razor-X> i'm using it at this very moment over an SSH connection
[07:52] <Plapla> Kvirc
[07:52] <nickrud> Plapla, ubuntu, for all intents and puposes, is debian, so apt, aptitude, etc will ork
[07:52] <Plapla> more user friendly6
[07:52] <Mosi> Razor: thanks. I thought for a second you were calling me osmething :P
[07:52] <limer> can anyone tell me how I can test a PS?  I'll go buy a multimeter if I should
[07:52] <Razor-X> Mosi: heh
[07:52] <Plapla> elcu: thanks
[07:52] <gzllinux> ???????????
[07:53] <Razor-X> it takes a little getting used to, but I just can't go back to GUI clients
[07:53] <Plapla> nickrud: thanks
[07:53] <busyb0ks> Razor-X: nice bot flooding
[07:53] <nickrud> limer, a power supply, you'll need a meter
[07:53] <Razor-X> I got all my keyboard shortcuts bound in my config file
[07:53] <Plapla> cool people over here
[07:53] <Razor-X> busyb0ks: heh
[07:53] <limer> nickrud, I figured.  have a good site that will tell me what pins need to go where?
[07:53] <busyb0ks> and over there
[07:53] <gzllinux> How read the "ubuntu"?
[07:53] <elcu> gzllinux: what was your question?
[07:54] <busyb0ks> u-bun-tu?
[07:54] <elcu> oo-boon-too
[07:54] <geneo93> nickrud:  my bios has test state for psu
[07:54] <nate__> what else can i do about the madwifi drivers??
[07:54] <busyb0ks> u baned too
[07:54] <Razor-X> I pronounce it "ubuntu", but i'm pretty sure it's "uh-buhn-tuh"
[07:55] <Razor-X> at least, that's what my African American friend says
[07:55] <Razor-X> *prounce it "oo-boon-too"
[07:55] <nickrud> limer, probably, but just test everything to ground. It's not rocket science
[07:55] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, it is the monkey distro
[07:55] <Amaranth> i pronounce it 'oo-bun-too'
[07:55] <Burgundavia> oo-boon-too
[07:55] <gzllinux> thank you
[07:55] <elcu> copycats!
[07:55] <FunnyLookinHat_> oh man, ubuntu rocks...  it just automatically read and mounted my flash drive
[07:55] <limer> nickrud, may not be rocket science . . . but *hangs head* I know zero about electricity
[07:55] <Razor-X> FunnyLookinHat_: hah
[07:56] <limer> guess I'd better learn
[07:56] <limer> :)
[07:56] <bob2> we need a .wav of jeff saying it
[07:56] <busyb0ks> hehehehehe i can not breath >_<
[07:56] <nickrud> limer, you're looking for 12v dc+, and 5 v dc+, relative to the chassis. If you have that. your ps is probably good
[07:56] <Madpilot> I'm back, Flash works in Opera now. very cool. MacroMedia's installer is actually pretty painless.
[07:57] <Xyc0> Razor-X: Does ubuntu need a special comand to install VLC other then the one for Debian?
[07:57] <herpes> sup limer
[07:57] <Razor-X> Madpilot: isn't Opera just sexy? ;)
[07:57] <limer> nickrud, I've got a low end Rosewill on the way
[07:57] <limer> hey herpes
[07:57] <Razor-X> Xyc0: make sure you have the extra repos, and then type "sudo apt-get wxvlc"
[07:57] <Razor-X> errr
[07:57] <Razor-X> "sudo apt-get install wxvlc
[07:57] <limer> I shouldn't be up.  damn nap screwin me
[07:58] <Razor-X> I should get to work on my project -_-
[07:58] <nate__> once i run make how can i get it to install to the right location???
[07:58] <Xyc0> Razor-X: thnx
[07:58] <Razor-X> nate__: that should be taken care of in the ./configuerr script
[07:58] <Plapla> anybody here uses an USB modem?
[07:58] <nate__> when i run make install it goes to the wrong place
[07:58] <Razor-X> *./configure
[07:58] <count0nz> anyone try ipV6 Tunnleing ?
[07:58] <Plapla> i am interested in coneccting ubuntu to one of those
[07:58] <Razor-X> well, make installs into the current directory
[07:58] <nickrud> I asked about that,daniel  said oo-boontoo is not totally off the mark
[07:59] <Razor-X> make install puts it where it should be
[07:59] <nate__> there isn't a ./configure script....
[07:59] <nate__> just a makefile
[07:59] <Razor-X> hmmmm.....
[07:59] <nate__> i am trying to compile the madwifi driver cvs
[07:59] <Razor-X> try "make & make install"
[07:59] <Madpilot> Razor-X: very, although I don't think I've ever called prog 'sexy'. Opera 8 really is the best yet.
[07:59] <Fackamato> try
[07:59] <limer> anyone here good with OOo?  I can't seem to get a response in #openoffice.org
[07:59] <Fackamato> ./autogen.sh
[07:59] <Fackamato> or scons
[07:59] <Razor-X> Madpilot"get used to it, I call my trackball sexy ;)
[08:00] <Razor-X> *:
[08:00] <Madpilot> all the power of O7, without some of the irritating cr*p...
[08:00] <nate__> when i did that it installed to /lib/modules/kernel/2.6.10/net instead of /lib/modules/kernel/2.6.10-5-i686
[08:00] <Razor-X> well, I liked a lot of O7's features
[08:00] <elcu> Madpilot: never used a mac before, have you?
[08:00] <Razor-X> is there a "autogen" script, nate__?
[08:00] <Razor-X> elcu: trying to call a Mac "sexy"?
[08:01] <elcu> Razor-X: yes. yes i am.
[08:01] <elcu> :-)
[08:01] <Razor-X> ewwww!!!!
[08:01] <nate__> there is and install.sh script
[08:01] <Razor-X> stay back!!!!
[08:01] <k4rp0r> :P
[08:01] <Mosi> macs are sexy, but that's about it. Speaking as a mac person.
[08:01] <Razor-X> he's gaaayyyy!!!!
[08:01] <nate__> in the patches dir
[08:01] <Razor-X> no, i'm just kidding XD
[08:01] <Madpilot> elcu: nope, before Ubuntu I was a pure Windoze drone...
[08:01] <nate__> i ran that against my kernel sources that i downloaded
[08:01] <Mosi> sexy by definiting meaning to look nice. To say nothing about functionality
[08:01] <elcu> Razor-X: what if i call my mac cheryl?
[08:02] <Razor-X> the reason I don't like Mac is because, they're so innovationless, they had to use a BSD kernel
[08:02] <nate__> but i'm not sure what the difference is with patching and/or compiling a new kernel
[08:02] <Madpilot> looks nice & functions great? ya, then Opera is sexy...
[08:02] <nate__> modules i mean
[08:02] <Razor-X> Mosi: well, I prefer to call sexya whole package"
[08:02] <Razor-X> *sexy
[08:02] <Razor-X> **sexy a
[08:02] <Plapla> thanks people
[08:02] <Plapla> goodbye
[08:02] <Madpilot> FF is just to IE-like for my taste...
[08:02] <Razor-X> elcu: go ahead, name her whatever you want
[08:02] <Madpilot> *too
[08:02] <Razor-X> I can't stand Firefox
[08:02] <nate__> if i make the packages for the 2.6 patches would that mean that i would have to recompile the kernel??
[08:03] <Razor-X> too much hype, too little progress
[08:03] <bob2> Razor-X: please don't troll about macos
[08:03] <Razor-X> they lost sight of the goal in Firefox 0.7
[08:03] <Mosi> Razor: I wasn't really paying attention, i just saw teh word mac and it caught my eye, so i read the one line. I'm multitasking. :)
[08:03] <Razor-X> bob2: i'm not, as yo ucan tell, I dropped the subject ;)
[08:03] <bob2> thanks
[08:03] <Razor-X> Mosi: hah
[08:03] <nickrud> Razor-X, so what do u use instead of firefox?
[08:03] <Razor-X> *you can
[08:03] <Razor-X> i'm not about to get into a holy war on Mac
[08:03] <elcu> Madpilot: agree with the FF point.  i love my mozilla.
[08:03] <Razor-X> Opera and Konqueror
[08:04] <Madpilot> Razor-X: don't forget FF is supposed to not scare IE users - that's it's primary goal, and it's a good goal.
[08:04] <Mosi> Mozilla is nice. And it has IRC built in. I should be using that instead if Ircle, but i'm not for some reason. no good excuse.
[08:04] <nickrud> interesting, I'm using epipany ant the moment
[08:04] <Madpilot> But Opera is actually its own browser, and couldn't give a <bleep> about IE
[08:04] <Mosi> Madpilot: Very good point
[08:04] <Razor-X> I came on to the Firefox bandwagon... when it was not Firefox, nor Firebird, it was a wee little browser called Phoenix
[08:04] <Razor-X> the Firefox team had real drive then
[08:05] <Razor-X> now, I think, the hype's goten to their head
[08:05] <Razor-X> *gotten
[08:05] <Razor-X> but, that's just my opinion
[08:05] <Razor-X> the releases started getting slower, and less feature-packed around 0.5
[08:05] <Razor-X> but, 0.7 was the point when I just _had_ to drop it
[08:06] <Madpilot> what happened @ FF 0.7?
[08:06] <OpenSS> Can anybody help me " Problem connecting to tracker - <urlopen error (10061, 'Connection refused')"
[08:06] <Razor-X> well, I believe (if I remember correctly) that was the second namechange release
[08:06] <holycow> i think they are a pretty solid bunch of devs, ff is a lot like ie but it got populare because it was VERY fast in comparison to moz at about 1.0
[08:06] <OpenSS> I'm trying to download ubuntu DVD
[08:06] <Razor-X> and, basically, they made me wait about 2-3 months to add two features
[08:06] <nickrud> Razor-X, you must have been paying more attention than I to the details, got a pointer or two?
[08:07] <holycow> it even rendered faster some things than i.e.
[08:07] <holycow> thats mostly why people gave it a try
[08:07] <bob2> OpenSS: the tracker is down then, or your isp is blocking it
[08:07] <Razor-X> nickrud: eh? ;) sorry
[08:07] <Razor-X> yeah, but Opera's lighter and faster than FF
[08:07] <nickrud> Razor-X, bad question, badly phrased, so please ignore :)
[08:07] <Razor-X> even the forum people on FF's forums acknowledge that
[08:07] <OpenSS> bob2 : how do I find out which one it is tracker or isp
[08:07] <Razor-X> nickrud: heh
[08:08] <geneo91> ping it
[08:08] <count0nz> FF Beats Opra easy i tyed 8.0 and it was allmost as fast as FF but i like FF better
[08:08] <holycow> Razor-X, it definately is, infact i still install oo on very old toshiba laptops, like p166's wit 32 megs of ram or whatever
[08:08] <nickrud> Razor-X, it happens
[08:08] <nalioth> opera is not opensource
[08:08] <Razor-X> count0nz: you mean, with a billion extensions, it's _still_ faster?
[08:08] <holycow> opera absolutely rocks even on the shittiest hardware
[08:08] <nalioth> goodnight
[08:08] <Razor-X> nalioth: sometimes, OSS isn't the best option, IMO
[08:08] <count0nz> Razor-X, just don't install what you don't need :)
[08:09] <Razor-X> although, I tend to drift to as open a license I can, if something just screams functionality, I take it
[08:09] <holycow> Razor-X, in my opinion oss is insurance i'm willing to put up with
[08:09] <Madpilot> Opera is good right out of the box; I think FF could be as good if I spent a week fiddling w/ plugins...
[08:09] <Razor-X> count0nz: but I _want_ all the extensions, they just take much more RAM in FF
[08:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi holycow.
[08:09] <holycow> hey dude :)
[08:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) im back
[08:10] <count0nz> Razor-X, i havent realy played with all the extentions :) i was commenting on out of the box expereence :)
[08:10] <Razor-X> that, and on a 256 box (like mine), a 15 tab session in Firefox hogs _waaaay_ more RAM than a 15 tab Opera session does
[08:10] <Razor-X> count0nz: heh, I see
[08:10] <Razor-X> yeah, the main turnoff for me was memory usage
[08:10] <count0nz> Razor-X, :) np
[08:10] <Razor-X> and, I love tabs
[08:10] <Razor-X> just adore them
[08:10] <holycow> Razor-X, that definately is an issue, im starting to notice it
[08:11] <count0nz> TAB's are a must
[08:11] <geneo93> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/ someone check this site
[08:11] <holycow> however i haveto really say that before firefox i viewed only 1 page at a time
[08:11] <Razor-X> yeah, but I have about 10-21 at any one session
[08:11] <Razor-X> and so, Konqueror works best there
[08:11] <holycow> so 15 at a time now is kinda asking the software to do a whole lot more than it was originally envisioned for
[08:11] <Razor-X> it can handle 15 tabs without even pausing for breath
[08:11] <geneo93> k itsd back
[08:11] <Razor-X> holycow: yeah, I guess my needs are a bit esoteric
[08:12] <holycow> not really, i'm just pointing out peoples habits changed based on options given to them by software
[08:12] <geneo93> wow it just failed again
[08:12] <Razor-X> I was always a multiple page user
[08:12] <holycow> which in turn drives the software development in other directions then entirely intended
[08:12] <holycow> its a neat feedback loop
[08:12] <Madpilot> holycow: great point, actually.
[08:12] <Razor-X> just, I viewed much _less_ pages before I entered tabbed browsing
[08:12] <pppoe_dude> anybody familiar with laptop-mode here?
[08:12] <holycow> you weren't with ie
[08:12] <Razor-X> I was, but not for too long
[08:12] <elcu> Another sticking point with me.  I hate how FF doesn't give focus to the newly opened tab.
[08:13] <holycow> i seriously doubt you were alt tabbing between multiple windows on win98
[08:13] <Razor-X> elcu: yeah, me tee
[08:13] <nickrud> Razor-X, what's opera's footprint these days?
[08:13] <hhurtta> elcu: it can be changed
[08:13] <Razor-X> although, I hear there's an extension for that
[08:13] <Razor-X> *too
[08:13] <pppoe_dude> how come i'm changing laptop-mode.conf but nothing is actually changing?
[08:13] <count0nz> elcu, thats an option
[08:13] <Madpilot> I've been an Opera user since O 4.xx, so when FF announced tabs there was little excitement here...
[08:13] <Razor-X> nickrud lemme see
[08:13] <bob2> pppoe_dude: you'd need to reboot, possibly
[08:13] <Mosi> Anyone know an offsite mirror for the Hoary Live CD for PPC? I'm having trouble downloading from the Ubuntu site
[08:13] <bob2> pppoe_dude: what are you trying to change?
[08:13] <pppoe_dude> bob2, at first it seemed to work, but when i rebooted it seems to do nothing...
[08:14] <nickrud> I ask becauxse I've got 256M, and epiphany does everthing but one thing for me
[08:14] <Mosi> never mind, got a download from Europe working
[08:14] <pppoe_dude> bob2, i need to change the max cpu freq and hd idle time
[08:14] <Razor-X> with about 12 tabs, it's about 289
[08:14] <pppoe_dude> and i changed them in laptop-mode.conf
[08:14] <pppoe_dude> then stopped it and restarted
[08:14] <bob2> note that you can't usefully read ram usage from top or system-monitor or whatever
[08:14] <nickrud> Raskall, 289M, and how much of that is threads, and how much is resident?
[08:14] <Razor-X> yeah, I know
[08:14] <elcu> count0nz, hhurtta: ok, didn't know that. :-)  maybe we should drop the browser chit-chat though.
[08:15] <Razor-X> you beat Razor-X?
[08:15] <holycow> btw, today i realized the ultimate tool for system restoration if you are onsite, is having a copy of ubuntu/debian installed on a removable hd.  the amount of tools you can store and config to be ready for any eventuality is amazing, and the bloody thing will boot on almost any hardware
[08:15] <Xyc0> Wow I am having alot of trouble just installing VLC
[08:15] <nickrud> holycow, welcome :)
[08:15] <Razor-X> Xyc0: eh, why?
[08:15] <Xyc0> Dependency hell keeps kicking me in the ass
[08:15] <Razor-X> *mean
[08:15] <holycow> nickrud, :)
[08:15] <pppoe_dude> it's not capping the CPU anymore, and i want it to...
[08:15] <bob2> Xyc0: you're installing packages from outside ubuntu then
[08:15] <Razor-X> Xyc0: you _are_ using apt-get, rigt?
[08:15] <bob2> that will break things
[08:16] <Xyc0> yea
[08:16] <bob2> pppoe_dude: surely that's a powernowd config option?
[08:16] <pppoe_dude> i actually have an intel
[08:16] <Razor-X> sudo apt-get install wxvlc
[08:16] <Razor-X> should work
[08:16] <Razor-X> it worked on a _KDE_ box
[08:16] <pppoe_dude> and it seemed to work at first...
[08:16] <Razor-X> that's the first time I got GTK2
[08:16] <bob2> pppoe_dude: powernowde works on intel cpus, too
[08:16] <bob2> pppoe_dude: this isn't a p4, is it?
[08:16] <pppoe_dude> no... centrino
[08:17] <k4rp0r> gah, today is mother language test...
[08:17] <pppoe_dude> but i also need laptop-mode to control harddisk spindown...
[08:17] <pppoe_dude> argh...
[08:17] <bob2> pppoe_dude: right, but you have both installed
[08:17] <nickrud> holycow, someday I'll take the time to create my own personal cd, until then it's lnx-bbc :)
[08:17] <Xyc0> Razor-X: I tried to send you the error
[08:17] <holycow> http://www.interstructures.com/index.html  <-- another reason why i hate windows users, even their admins are too stupid/lazy to learn anything new
[08:17] <elcu> Mosi: IIRC, there are a few mirrors around
[08:17] <Mosi> Xyc0: I've run in to that a number of times. I like the idea of the way APT works, but in practice it gives me a lot of trouble. One time i spent a whole day racking my brains to figure out why i couldn't find a suitable package for Wine, only to eventually learn that there is no Wine available on PPC
[08:18] <holycow> nickrud, cd's are too restrictive, and require quite a bit of technical know how to create so they are universally bootable
[08:18] <Burgundavia> Mosi, why is that a fault of apt?
[08:18] <Razor-X> are your repos the one in the guide, Xyc0?
[08:18] <pppoe_dude> this is onle line in laptop-mode.conf >>> CPU_MAXFREQ=800000
[08:18] <theoco> Anyone know how i can get an ubuntu install cd with lots of features, ie mplayer, flash, win32codecs, ...
[08:18] <pppoe_dude> it should work!!
[08:18] <holycow> nickrud, debian/ubuntu is probably the most flexible config i've ever run into
[08:18] <anon_> hey all
[08:18] <Xyc0> Razor-X: What do you mean?
[08:18] <nickrud> holycow, I must agree
[08:18] <Razor-X> Xyc0: is this an out-of-the-box install?
[08:18] <anon_> i have 2 data partitions on which i store files
[08:19] <theoco> I want to give ubuntu to a friend who doesn't have internet.  But not supporting mp3's easy way to make him hate it
[08:19] <Xyc0> Razor-X: yes
[08:19] <Mosi> Burgun: That particular issue isn't, it's just one of the ways i've wasted time with it. I've run into a million dependancy issues with APT that take forever to fix
[08:19] <anon_> they are mounted in ubuntu but i cannot create new files or delete existing ones due to permission problems
[08:19] <Razor-X> Xyc0: hah, you didn't sound like a n00b ;)
[08:19] <anon_> any ideas?
[08:19] <Razor-X> go http://ubuntuguide.org/ and add the extra repositories
[08:19] <elcu> theoco: IIRC, there's an unofficial addon CD
[08:19] <Razor-X> follow the instructions
[08:19] <Xyc0> Razor-X: just converted from fc4
[08:19] <nickrud> holycow, and know some knowledgeable people are working on making custom bootable cds based on debian, so, ...
[08:19] <theoco> elcu: oh oh where?
[08:19] <anon_> i have 2 data partitions on which i store files
[08:19] <aneurin> holycow,  aye, I'm pretty impressed, especially with how ubuntu has come together; and that's hard for me to say 'cuz I'm a die hard debian fan usually :)
[08:19] <Razor-X> ahhh, that explains it
[08:20] <anon_> they are mounted in ubuntu but i cannot create new files or delete existing ones due to permission problems
[08:20] <anon_> any ideas?
[08:20] <nickrud> soon
[08:20] <elcu> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UnofficialUbuntu504AddOnCD
[08:20] <Razor-X> errr actually
[08:20] <Razor-X> it would be http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:20] <elcu> anon_: what filesystem?
[08:20] <theoco> elcu: thanks alot!
[08:20] <cyphase> whats info about an unofficial product doing on the official site
[08:20] <cyphase> ?
[08:20] <cyphase> ;)
[08:20] <elcu> NTFS is readonly
[08:20] <holycow> aneurin, i'm a debian zealot my self, i appreciate the 6 month 'back to the source luke' ness of ubuntu, and submitting back patches too
[08:20] <anon_> the 2 partitions in question are vfat
[08:20] <Razor-X> yeah, for Xyc0, it would be http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:21] <_simple> bob2: i just did a reinstall of "yelp" and firefox was left alone (:
[08:21] <anon_> i can access what is in them, i just cannot modify the data
[08:21] <Xyc0> Razor-X: Thanks, ill play with that for a sec
[08:21] <holycow> aneurin, if ubuntu even remotely strays into the permanent fork waters, i'm going back to debian
[08:21] <Razor-X> have fun
[08:21] <elcu> theoco: np. another ubuntu addict on the way. :-)
[08:21] <aneurin> holycow, aye certainly
[08:21] <pppoe_dude> what's the easiest way to cap my CPU?
[08:21] <cyphase> pppoe_dude, a Magnum
[08:21] <nickrud> holycow, we need to make that more explcit: ubuntu will be debian
[08:21] <cyphase> or maybe a double barrel shotgun
[08:22] <pppoe_dude> seriously
[08:22] <cyphase> lol
[08:22] <Razor-X> wow, I haven't helped this much in a tech-support channel in ages
[08:22] <Razor-X> last time was in #knoppix
[08:22] <pppoe_dude> i need it to go to MAX 1000Mhz, and its max is now 1.6ghz
[08:22] <theoco> elcu: do you know if it has win32codecs by chance?
[08:22] <pppoe_dude> laptop-mode isnot working for me
[08:22] <nickrud> or, at least sync'd with etch
[08:23] <da_bon_bon> hey all
[08:23] <aneurin> holycow, I'm probably going to go back to debian anyway since this was just an emergency install of the first thing I could get my hands on. I can't seem to shake my own personal preference-- but for a more 'mainstream' feeling distribution I'm finding it very impressive
[08:23] <elcu> theoco: no idea on what it contains. sorry :-)
[08:23] <da_bon_bon> wherez that file --  i am mark shuttleworth and i proununce ubuntu ubuntu ?
[08:23] <holycow> nickrud, i only see growing health for debian as a result of the whole Ubuntu initiative, the desktop is a particularly FINICKY area, a lot of polish is required, i am thoroughly impressed with the vision of mark shuttleworth
[08:23] <theoco> elcu: nevermind i found the package list :)
[08:23] <anon_> anyone know anything about mounting vfat partitions in ubuntu?
[08:23] <Xyc0> Razor-X: Ubuntu definatly bloomed into something big
[08:23] <theoco> elcu: yes it does
[08:23] <holycow> aneurin, for servers i intend on only using debian, it just makes sense, debian is like clay
[08:24] <Razor-X> Xyc0: a fabulous distro
[08:24] <Razor-X> no doubt about it
[08:24] <elcu> theoco: goodo :-)
[08:24] <anon_> anyone know anything about mounting vfat partitions in ubuntu?
[08:24] <holycow> aneurin, for desktop, i do use debian and have a pilot right now, but it requires a whole lot of polish i don't have the resources to support :/  desktop users are a wicked group of monkeys
[08:24] <holycow> aneurin, you should see what the dudes did to their user accounts :)
[08:24] <holycow> today they deleted all their work files
[08:24] <holycow> rofl :)
[08:24] <Razor-X> the first distro that doesen't fel like "You have to do everything" like Slackware or Gentoo, and not "We'll give everything and your mom, plus more" distros like Fedora and Knoppix
[08:24] <aneurin> holycow, hahaha but of course :)
[08:24] <da_bon_bon> wherez that file --  i am mark shuttleworth and i proununce ubuntu ubuntu ?
[08:25] <da_bon_bon> its a sound file
[08:25] <Razor-X> *feel
[08:25] <aneurin> holycow, but that tends to be an educational issue rather than entirely a technological one
[08:25] <Madpilot> Razor-X: you give your mom away with linux distros? doesn't she mind? :)
[08:25] <Xyc0> Razor-X: I ve been looking for a good distro that I can help convert M$ users over with
[08:25] <Xyc0> Razor-X: This one is it
[08:25] <Razor-X> Madpilot: sorry ;) one of those English idioms I have in my vocabulary from my parents when they moved
[08:25] <holycow> aneurin, actually its turning into an educational issue for me, total lockdown of the environment, and automated remote backups
[08:26] <nickrud> holycow, there is  not a thing I disagree with in your last statement, and, based on my admitidly trivial experience, nothing we can't expect in the future
[08:26] <Razor-X> *British English
[08:26] <Madpilot> Madpilot: no, i knew what you meant, just bugging you...
[08:26] <Razor-X> an old one, IIRC
[08:26] <holycow> nickrud, :) i'm am mildly worried about attracting these folks to use linux as their os in real life tho where there is no control
[08:27] <cyphase> does anyone know if Sabayon is going to be supported in breezy?
[08:27] <Razor-X> well, the thing about an 'elitist' distribution is the amount of control
[08:27] <holycow> they mean well, but you know, it's like letting a bull into a china shop
[08:27] <Razor-X> nickrud: he doesen't pay, as far as I know ;)
[08:27] <aneurin> holycow, yeah, I guess. lockdown where necessary, but educated users or some radical rethink of intuitive systems is needed
[08:27] <da_bon_bon> wherez that file --  i am mark shuttleworth and i proununce ubuntu ubuntu ?
[08:27] <holycow> aneurin, absolutely
[08:27] <nickrud> Razor-X, he's paying 3 that I know of, probably more
[08:27] <aneurin> holycow, I only wish I could field some solutions to this great and timeless dilemma
[08:27] <Razor-X> oh, really?
[08:27] <Razor-X> nice
[08:28] <k4rp0r> looks like its time to go to schooll...
[08:28] <k4rp0r> cya
[08:28] <Razor-X> school is another 9 hours away for me ;)
[08:28] <holycow> aneurin, when we rollout ubuntu on the desktop i will have an online tutorial dealy, some basic tips and tutorials, to give them at least some resources, i understand why they do the damage they do and its basically years of bad training under ms telling the consumer they are always right
[08:28] <nickrud> Razor-X, well, 2 because they put their faces on it, and one more I'll go on a limb for
[08:28] <holycow> aneurin, oh i think the great solution is a free online 'university'
[08:29] <holycow> ubuntus wiki is becoming a terrific resource for good information
[08:30] <holycow> aneurin, basically the knowledge in the ms world is filed underr 'the customer is alway right, even if they have no skills to actually administer a system'
[08:30] <holycow> the linux world right now is filed under 'well the information is out there, google it'
[08:30] <holycow> :)
[08:30] <Razor-X> I prefer the latter, meself
[08:30] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:30] <holycow> if one could figure out how to give away the knowledge in a structured manner and make it pay for it self ....
[08:30] <holycow> that could be cool
[08:31] <Razor-X> no, information shouldn't be assosciated with money
[08:31] <bob2> holycow: that's already happened in ubuntu
[08:31] <Razor-X> IMO, information should be totally free trade
[08:31] <aneurin> holycow, that's a pretty good point; learning to accept mistakes is essential to developing skills with a system and the MS attitude doesn't let that happen with infequent or general users. There really must be a way of integrating enough support to be accessible to the user, without swamping them
[08:31] <bob2> holycow: people update the wiki for free, and read it for free, hosting comes out of other profits, everyone wins
[08:31] <holycow> bob2, yes the wiki alone is fantastic, perhaps mark and you guys are up to something we don't know about :)
[08:31] <bob2> and it pays for itself
[08:32] <Razor-X> aneurin: and your quest, yong one, is to find this happy medium as 'Providence'
[08:32] <holycow> bob2, ah right, okay right i see, that is really that then
[08:32] <Razor-X> *known
[08:32] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:32] <seth> Is there a way to not have an application listed in the window listing for GNOME?
[08:32] <aneurin> Razor-X, hahaha, I'll make some coffee and get right on it ;)
[08:32] <bob2> holycow: what more do you want?
[08:32] <bob2> you seem to have an idea in mind
[08:32] <Amaranth> seth: If you're writing the app, yes.
[08:32] <bob2> you can tell the wm to ignore it
[08:32] <holycow> aneurin, maybe you didn't catch my post last night about the economics of open source ... lemme see if i can find it ...
[08:32] <bob2> presumably devilspie can
[08:32] <holycow> bob2, lol yes your right *nod*
[08:33] <seth> Amaranth, no, I just don't want X-Chat and gAIM listed since they are always running and always visible.
[08:33] <aneurin> holycow, this is my first expedition into this channel
[08:33] <Xyc0> Razor-X: Got it working, thanks a ton!
[08:33] <Shufla> hi
[08:33] <aneurin> holycow, I'd like to read it, most certainly
[08:33] <bob2> holycow: some sort of formalised faqomatic or such?
[08:33] <Xyc0> Razor-X:  Ghost in the Shell never looked better
[08:33] <holycow> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/free_issues/issue_03/market_force/
[08:33] <holycow> bob2, sounds like you read it :)
[08:33] <seth> bob2, I did a little research on my wireless card, and found out it is running on the atmel chipset, which has to support for kismet now. Only atmel_usb.
[08:34] <aneurin> holycow, thanks!
[08:34] <bob2> elcu: erk
[08:34] <bob2> er, seth
[08:34] <aneurin> holycow, I'm going to make a coffee and have a read of that
[08:34] <aneurin> afk for now
[08:34] <bob2> I had a atmel usb thing
[08:34] <holycow> aneurin, basically the article kinda says that open source is the result of the marketplace correcting it self, and one of the key options it now gives users is a range between no support, some support (irc, google), and total support via contract
[08:34] <bob2> I returned it
[08:34] <elcu> bob2: erk to you too!
[08:34] <holycow> and ubuntu basically hit the mark bullseye
[08:35] <holycow> aneurin, haha its long *nod*
[08:35] <_phate_> Anyone know how to speed up a network connection? I have 3Mbit down/ 1MBit up, yet when I run a speed test it says I only have a 92Kbps connection!
[08:35] <bob2> _phate_: ignore speed tests
[08:35] <_phate_> and when I test on a windows box it says I exceed my rated down/up
[08:35] <seth> bob2,  this is a PCMCIA card. I have another card, but it runs on the ACX111 chipset. Can't seem to find anything about it regarding kismet
[08:36] <Mosi> _phate_: Odds are good it's just link saturation, and you can't do anythign about that unless you want to run your own dedicated fiber line to wherever you're trying to connect to.
[08:36] <bob2> _phate_: use a real test, like how fast can you download an ubuntu iso?
[08:37] <_phate_> bob2: k one sec
[08:37] <g14> I've always found internal wireless cards to sniff much faster than PCMCIA I think it has something to do with the bus speed
[08:37] <pppoe_dude> whats the easiest way to disable a service from starting up automatically in ubuntu?
[08:38] <bob2> sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/whatever
[08:38] <_phate_> bob2: 92Kbps a second
[08:38] <Shufla> pppoe_dude: chmod u-x /etc/init.d/service
[08:38] <bob2> Shufla: that's a bad solution
[08:38] <pppoe_dude> is there something like the service manager in fedora?
[08:39] <Swelly> When i installed ubuntu it asked me for a password i'm sure i'm typing the same password it never lets me in. can i go back and change this somehow or must i reinstall again ?
[08:39] <Shufla> bob2: _fastest_ :D i use update-rc.d, but it's destroyed by package update
[08:39] <pppoe_dude> n/m
[08:39] <krappie> ;o
[08:39] <Mosi> Swelly: Do you have root access?
[08:39] <bob2> Shufla: right, hence my suggestion, which isn't broken by updates ;)
[08:39] <Swelly> no it never asked me for a root password
[08:39] <Swelly> lol
[08:39] <Mr_T> has anyone managed to get irda to work in hoary?
[08:39] <Mosi> Swelly: So you can't log in at all?
[08:39] <_phate_> Swelly, there is no root password
[08:40] <Swelly> nope
[08:40] <bob2> Swelly: reboot, and get into the grub menu
[08:40] <raia> hello
[08:40] <bob2> Swelly: choose "recovery" or "rescue" or whatever it's called
[08:40] <pppoe_dude> can i rename it to, say _S20powernowd instead of deleting it?
[08:40] <_phate_> Swelly, see ubuntuguide.org its got a section on this kinda thing
[08:40] <Mosi> Swelly: Or just boot in single-user mode
[08:40] <raia> my warty is not shutting down
[08:40] <bob2> pppoe_dude: if you want
[08:40] <Mosi> Raia: Did you try "sudo init 0"?
[08:40] <bob2> pppoe_dude: there's no real advantage to that, tho
[08:41] <pppoe_dude> or is everything in /etc/rc2.d a symlink?
[08:41] <bob2> raia: how old is the computer?
[08:41] <raia> no
[08:41] <_phate_> raia: Warty? You should upgrade to Hoary
[08:41] <raia> but when i want to shut down is not working
[08:41] <pppoe_dude> im a bit noobish... sorry didnt mention that
[08:41] <bob2> raia: how old is the computer?
[08:41] <raia> i dont want to upgrade
[08:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> _phate_ might not be that easy :P
[08:41] <bob2> pppoe_dude: they're all symlinks, right
[08:41] <pppoe_dude> ok
[08:41] <bob2> pppoe_dude: the real scripts are in /etc/init.d/
[08:41] <raia> is not so old
[08:42] <bob2> raia: ... how old is it?
[08:42] <pppoe_dude> cool
[08:42] <raia> yesterday i had xp and it was shutting
[08:42] <bob2> I can't tell you how to fix it unti lyou tell me this
[08:42] <Mosi> Raia: When you want to shutdown, until you get it fixed so it works right you should just be able to do "sudo init 0" and bring the system down. better than nothing.
[08:42] <bob2> please just answer the question
[08:42] <bob2> Mosi: that's not the problem
[08:42] <bob2> the problem is that he/she hasn't enabled apm or acpi support
[08:42] <nickrud> pppoe_dude, read man update-carefullly, it 'the debina way'
[08:42] <pppoe_dude> i think i solved my problem... or at least one of them...
[08:42] <bob2> if he/she tells me how old it is, I can tell them which to use and it will be fixed
[08:42] <Mosi> bob2: I know, i'm just saying until she can fix it, that should work
[08:42] <pppoe_dude> i'll be back... gotta restart
[08:42] <nickrud> pppoe_dude, read man update-rc,d 'carefullly, it 'the debina way'
[08:43] <pppoe_dude> k
[08:43] <Mosi> whoops, looks like she tried it... heh
[08:43] <nickrud> it's late , igonrre tyypos please
[08:43] <bob2> how annoying
[08:43] <Mosi> bob2: sorry
[08:43] <bob2> oh, not you
[08:43] <_phate_> bob2, my download for a hoary iso is 96Kbps for Ubuntu, and 510Kbps for my windows box, so its something to do with ubuntu
[08:43] <wassim> Hallo
[08:44] <bob2> _phate_: maybe the mtu is too high
[08:44] <_phate_> bob2, how do I change that?
[08:44] <bob2> _phate_: did you fiddle it on windows?
[08:44] <_phate_> bob2, nope
[08:45] <Shufla> feeded :D
[08:47] <raia> is not working
[08:47] <Mosi> raia: I assume that worked?
[08:47] <Mosi> oh, never mind
[08:47] <bob2> raia: how. old. is. it?
[08:47] <raia> 2 years
[08:47] <bob2> yay
[08:47] <raia> 3
[08:47] <Mosi> Raia: bob2 seems to know what the problem is, i can't help you with power management problems.
[08:47] <bob2> in future, it's way way way way less obnoxious if you just answer
[08:47] <Shufla> raia: lsmod | egrep acpi\|apm
[08:48] <bob2> raia: so, "sudo modprobe ac" and run "sudo shutdown -h now" and it should power down
[08:48] <_phate_> bob2, any ideas?
[08:49] <raia> raia@10:~ $ sudo modprobe ac
[08:49] <raia> Password:
[08:49] <raia> FATAL: Error inserting ac (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/acpi/ac.ko): No such device
[08:49] <JosephSpiros> So, I'm running Hoary, and I just installed VLC
[08:49] <bob2> raia: sudo rmmod apm
[08:49] <JosephSpiros> and I'm sure the answer is staring me in the face
[08:49] <JosephSpiros> But, erm, how do I get sound working?
[08:49] <bob2> wassim: do not /msg me
[08:50] <bob2> JosephSpiros: configure it to use esd
[08:50] <raia> raia@10:~ $ sudo rmmod apm
[08:50] <JosephSpiros> It complains about /dev/dsp not working
[08:50] <raia> ERROR: Module apm does not exist in /proc/modules
[08:50] <raia> raia@10:~ $
[08:50] <JosephSpiros> bob2: OK
[08:50] <Swelly> There is an updates thing in my "system tray" i cant update as it says it's unable to get exclusive lock :( how can i fix this ?
[08:50] <g14> Swelly: Do you already have synaptic open?
[08:50] <bob2> raia: guess you don't have acpi then.  sudo modprobe apm
[08:50] <Swelly> not that i know of :(
[08:50] <nickrud> JosephSpiros, you probably need vlc-esd or some such
[08:50] <Shufla> Swelly: ps axu | egrep apt-get\|synaptic\|dselect
[08:51] <raia> wicth do i have to do what?
[08:51] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: yeah, vlc-plugin-esd looks like what I need
[08:51] <JosephSpiros> I tried vlc-plugin-alsa and didn't see esd
[08:51] <bob2> raia: sudo modprobe apm
[08:51] <Shufla> raia: go to http://pastebin.com/ and paste your dmesg there.
[08:51] <bob2> raia: do not /msg me
[08:51] <raia> k
[08:52] <Swelly> Shufla, it's come up with a process running... does that mean it is updating its self ?
[08:52] <jansen> bob2 help,i'm using the firefox install the flash plugin had failure!
[08:52] <bob2> yes, the flash player is crap
[08:52] <Shufla> Swelly: hm. paste effect to pastebin.com
[08:52] <Madpilot> has anyone got lmsensors to work w/ an ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe? either w/ xsensor or ksensors?
[08:52] <Mosi> jansen: I have flash player plugin problems in Firefox fairly regularly, it's just the wya it is
[08:52] <Swelly> sorry in english ? :o
[08:52] <Swelly> i'm newbie ;)
[08:53] <Shufla> Swelly: paste what gives you ps axu... to pastebin.com and put link here.
[08:53] <jansen> Mosi how?
[08:53] <_phate_> what did _ZOOMCITIEScom_ do?
[08:53] <Mosi> jansen: How what, how does it mess up?
[08:54] <Mosi> _phate_: probably jsut a bot
[08:54] <bob2> _phate_: it's a bot, which looks very spammish to me
[08:54] <jansen> Mosi need manual install
[08:54] <pablo928>  Madpilot, i have lm sensors working with a
[08:54] <bob2> er, "a bot that looks very spammish"
[08:54] <nickrud> damn, you're quick
[08:55] <Mosi> jansen: Sorry, come again? i don't understand what you're saying
[08:55] <mpm> any idea what tools I could use to analyze why I'm unable to access a given IP/url from home?  I can access it at work, but from this home machine I can't even ping it!
[08:55] <Shufla> mpm: mtr -n ip
[08:55] <Mosi> mpm: I assume you made sure it isn't a firewall issue?
[08:55] <mpm> I can ssh and load it in lynx via a shell account, but not directly; no Mosi, although I tried /etc/init.d/firestarter stop" is that right?
[08:55] <jansen> Mosi i wanna install the firefox plugin flash automatically,but i can't
[08:56] <Madpilot> pablo928: so can you share the trick needed?
[08:56] <Mosi> jansen: I'm not much for installing plugins, i dunno what to tell you
[08:56] <Shufla> nice rev :)
[08:56] <toby> Shufla, here's the link http://pastebin.com/286848
[08:56] <holycow> does anyone know how to recover deleted files from a reiser partition? i did this once, i basically need to recover all data from /deb/hdb1 and have them placed in a folder on my master hd on /dev/hda2?
[08:57] <holycow> reiserfsck --rebuild tree does not seem to have a source / destination flag option
[08:57] <Shufla> toby: ahh. you have nothing running. that grep commands just found itself.
[08:57] <mpm> Mosi:  how would you assure that it's not a firewall issue?
[08:57] <toby> ok :(
[08:58] <Mosi> mpm: i'm not good enough to hand you a command for it without knowing more about what your setup is like, Shufla gave you a command, try that
[08:59] <Shufla> toby: sudo  fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[08:59] <jansen> Mosi where can i get the opera
[08:59] <mpm> Yes I'm trying it; I don't see any results; it is a blank dataless report
[08:59] <mpm> thanks for thinking on it for me :-)
[08:59] <raia> bob2 thanks
[08:59] <toby> Shufla, /var/lib/dpkg/lock:   8017
[08:59] <raia> worked
[08:59] <Shufla> toby: great. now sudo kill 8017
[09:00] <pppoe_dude> ok, why can't I do the following: "sudo echo 1000000 > scaling_max_freq"? it gives me permission denied
[09:00] <Mosi> jansen: opera.com :)
[09:00] <bob2> raia: now add apm on it's own line to /etc/modules
[09:00] <bob2> pppoe_dude: because your shell isn't running as root
[09:00] <Mosi> mpm: Are you behind a hardware firewall?
[09:00] <bob2> pppoe_dude: echo 1000000| sudo tee scaling_max_freq
[09:00] <toby> ok now what ?
[09:00] <Shufla> toby: run synaptic.
[09:00] <pppoe_dude> whats the "tee"?
[09:01] <bob2> pppoe_dude: it redirects the output to that file as root
[09:01] <mpm> Mosi: only a linksys router; not a true firewall
[09:01] <Shufla> pppoe_dude: man tee. great workaround for sudo
[09:01] <seth> Hey bob2, quick question. In the kismet config, it says the syntax for the sources is source=cardtype,interface,name. I'm not sure what to put for cardtype and name. I've tried atmel for cardtype because that is the chipset, but it says unknow capture type.
[09:01] <pppoe_dude> ok cool... looks like it worked
[09:01] <bob2> seth: dude
[09:01] <toby> still has exclusive lock error
[09:01] <bob2> seth: there are examples
[09:01] <bob2> seth: just try them all
[09:02] <bob2> one at a time
[09:02] <Shufla> toby: again sudo fuser...
[09:02] <Mosi> mpm: It sounds to me like you've either got some weird rule on your linksys router that's blocking all traffic from that url somehow, maybe not that url specifically but the return port, or an address block. Either that or maybe the URL is down, did you ahve someone else try visiting it?
[09:02] <toby> SAME 8017
[09:02] <toby> sorry caps
[09:02] <Shufla> toby: sudo kill 8017 - what it says?
[09:03] <toby> it says nothing
[09:03] <pppoe_dude> so if i had activated my root account, the first thing i tried should work right?
[09:03] <mpm> Mosi it's been down for the last week but only from home; at work it's fine, I haven't set the linksys up with anything special except wpa for wireless; this comp is via ethernet though;
[09:03] <mpm> and like I mentioned, I can access it via ssh/lynx
[09:04] <Shufla> toby: ops... something has locked. try to kill it few times, than: sudo kill -9 8017
[09:04] <pppoe_dude> thanks!! brb
[09:04] <toby> kill -9 worked
[09:04] <toby> thanks
[09:05] <holycow> http://www.antrix.net/journal/techtalk/reiserfs_data_recovery_howto.comments  <-- checkout this clever way to recover data on a reiserfs half way down
[09:05] <Mosi> mpm: this is pretty obvious but i have to ask... you can ping other sites, right?
[09:05] <jansen> Mosi op8 is qt engine?
[09:05] <holycow> the dude first creates an image file of the diver, mounts the image file, and does reiserfsck rebuild-tree on that
[09:05] <holycow> nice
[09:05] <NXTG_Jonathan> QUESTION: WIFI: D-LINK-G650    Linux driver neded   ---   anyone?
[09:05] <mpm> yes mosi; I can ping all sites but this one 204.48.128.30
[09:05] <Mosi> jansen: Opera uses it's own engine i believe.
[09:05] <NXTG_Jonathan> needed ;)
[09:05] <bob2> NXTG_Jonathan: don't use caps, and try to use sentences
[09:05] <bob2> NXTG_Jonathan: google found nothing?
[09:06] <Shufla> mpm: sudo iptables -vnL and paste it to pastebin
[09:06] <NXTG_Jonathan> nothing found
[09:06] <mpm> mosi sadly, i'm also in charge of admin a work-related site hosted at that domain =P
[09:06] <Mosi> mpm: you can ping it from work?
[09:06] <mpm> with no problem, yes
[09:06] <Encrypted> NXTG_Jonathan, not prism54.org ?
[09:06] <mpm> http ftp ping whatever it all works from work or via ssh mosi
[09:06] <bob2> NXTG_Jonathan: er, I guess you got redirected to some sort of broken google, I got 32 600 hits
[09:07] <Shufla> mpm: !! check your fw !!
[09:07] <Razor-X> woooohoooo!!!!
[09:07] <raia> does anybody installed valknut?
[09:07] <Mosi> mpm: i'm afraid i'm not wizard enough to think of anything else. Unless there's some firewall weirdness on the firewall at the other end targetting your home address blocik, which seems unlikely.
[09:07] <Razor-X> something has finished downloading!!!!
[09:07] <bob2> NXTG_Jonathan: dlink even has a website talking about their linux drivers for it
[09:07] <slak> HI CIRCLE OF NIGGERS!
[09:07] <jansen> Mosi libqt3c102-mt need
[09:07] <Razor-X> slak: what you bout wha boi?
[09:08] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:08] <bob2> slak: please read the code of conduct
[09:08] <slak> sorry i dont speak leroy
[09:08] <mpm> thank you mosi; I actually emailed the it guy at that ip and he wasn't sure either; I'll get it eventually, thanks for the attention!
[09:08] <Cwiiis> After a recent update in breezy, all shortcuts in gtk applications perform the same action - firefox is unaffected - Anyone have any ideas?
[09:08] <Mosi> jansen: that wasn't my command, lol, that was Shufla. Shufla seems to have answers for evertyhing i can't figure out, try talking to him/her :)
[09:08] <slak> signal-9 up in tha hizouse
[09:08] <Shufla> Mosi: ;)
[09:09] <Razor-X> slak: people like you corrupt the gene pool, so leave... _now_
[09:09] <slak> hey have you seen my babys mama quanisha
[09:09] <bob2> Cwiiis: if you're using breezy, you should be hitting the BTS before IRC
[09:09] <bob2> slak: last warning
[09:09] <jansen> Mosi thx
[09:09] <NXTG_Jonathan> guess i overlooked much info :s the problem is dat i can't do any network commands on my linux cause i only have wifi, and that isn't working
[09:09] <Mosi> Shufla: I htink i'm a little out of my league for tech support ^_^ but i'm trying.
[09:09] <jansen> Shufla hello
[09:09] <Cwiiis> bob2: BTS?
[09:09] <slak> she was last seen sucking the corn roll nigger circle kid on the website
[09:09] <bob2> Cwiiis: the bug tracking system
[09:09] <slak> she owes me crack money
[09:09] <Surtsey> lmao
[09:09] <NXTG_Jonathan> can rpm's not been installed on ubunto? i guess they do
[09:09] <Shufla> jansen: yes?
[09:09] <Shufla> jansen: hello.
[09:09] <bob2> Cwiiis: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[09:10] <Razor-X> that's a sad sad person
[09:10] <Razor-X> he needs a hobby
[09:10] <Cwiiis> bob2: Thanks
[09:10] <Mosi> he needs a girlfriend
[09:10] <count0nz> he has problems maby he runs windows :)
[09:10] <Mosi> heheh
[09:10] <Razor-X> count0nz: wouldn't doubt that ;)
[09:10] <Shufla> count0nz: are you suggesting, that windows are without "humanity to others"? ;D
[09:10] <NXTG_Jonathan> must been said: ChatZilla is easy to use :)
[09:10] <count0nz> Shufla, I belive so yes
[09:10] <Madpilot> windows doesn't have half-dressed folks on the cover
[09:10] <mpm> oh I got my Ubuntu CD's in the mail today!!! I can finally hand them out
[09:11] <mpm> to everyone and their grandma :-)
[09:11] <Shufla> Madpilot: girls!
[09:11] <engin> can anybody tell me to how to mount ntfs drive
[09:11] <count0nz> No CD's yet in New Zealand :(
[09:11] <bob2> engin: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /mnt
[09:11] <Shufla> engin: www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:11] <bob2> engin: it will be read only, of course
[09:11] <nickrud> mpm, don't forget the library
[09:11] <engin> tenkyu
[09:12] <count0nz> i ordered some for my partner who is in states she's going to hand them out there too :)
[09:12] <mpm> the library?  oh give ubuntu cds to my local library nickrud?
[09:12] <Razor-X> don't forget, humanity towards others should include bisexual people
[09:12] <bob2> Razor-X: ?
[09:12] <nickrud> mpm, my extra nine disapeared in less than 2 hours there
[09:13] <count0nz> mpm hay that sounds like a good idear :) to  give Cd's too
[09:13] <Madpilot> mpm one of the librarians I know handed a bunch of U CDs out. don't know if he runs it himself
[09:13] <Kimppa> How do I set a cron to run ntpdate every hour?
[09:13] <NXTG_Jonathan> free-shipped cd outside the us, are they still free of charge?
[09:13] <NXTG_Jonathan> like Belgium?
[09:13] <bob2> NXTG_Jonathan: of course
[09:13] <mpm> nickrud: did you actually Hand them out, or you put them on the counter with a free sign or something?  I was thinking you meant donate so that they would loan them out like they do with audio cds
[09:13] <Shufla> Kimppa: man 5 crontab
[09:13] <Mosi> I hand them out in class at my community college. and in the linux/cisco lab
[09:13] <count0nz> I belive so
[09:13] <g14> NXTG_Jonathan: Yep, mark shuttleworth has lots of money :)
[09:14] <bob2> canonical is paying for it, not mark (directly)
[09:14] <count0nz> Good Publicity for them too
[09:14] <mpm> hehe Mosi I handed homemade ubuntu cd's in my city college linux class; hadn't received the real ones yet
[09:14] <NXTG_Jonathan> it's crazy and i love it :)
[09:14] <g14> bob2: Is canonical public or private?
[09:14] <bob2> g14: private
[09:14] <Shufla> no. it's not crazy. it's "world domination" :D
[09:15] <count0nz> NXTG_Jonathan, Hugs his Box's
[09:15] <nickrud> mpm, I knew my local librarian, and when she told me they were taken out (off the desk) in less than two hours, I believed her.
[09:15] <jansen> Shufla u are a girl?
[09:15] <Shufla> jansen: nope.
[09:15] <mpm> oh nice nickrud
[09:15] <jansen> Shufla hehe
[09:15] <jansen> Shufla help,i'm use the beep-media-player
[09:16] <nickrud> mpm, I live in california, the perfect place :) lol
[09:16] <Shufla> jansen: sorry, do not know that.
[09:16] <Mosi> I should order like a crate full and just distribute them all over town. i live in Santa Cruz, CA, lots of linux geeks and potential linux geeks here :)
[09:16] <NXTG_Jonathan> here in belgium i'd like to put all the windows-users on a linux OS cause,... , i have none good experience with any windows version. The problem for most windows users is the fear of being uncompatible with other users and most of all, the belgian low-level users are afraid of the installation gui of ubuntu
[09:17] <Kpjas> Hi trying to upgrade to Firefox 1.0.4 through synaptic I'm getting serious security waning. I believe I can safely ignore it, right ?
[09:17] <NXTG_Jonathan> is their a chance that someday, ubuntu will work with a install-gui, like fedora?
[09:17] <Tomcat_> Mosi: The potentials are way more important... the Linux geeks know about Ubuntu anyway. I converted 3 or 4 guys who used Windows before in my university ;)
[09:17] <Madpilot> NXTG_Jonathan: U is easier to instal than XP...
[09:17] <mpm> mosi I lived in Santa Cruz last year :-)
[09:17] <Kpjas> hi Shufla
[09:17] <nickrud> NXTG_Jonathan, it's the same here, show them the live cd
[09:17] <Shufla> Kpjas: hi :D
[09:17] <bob2> Kpjas: please don't install "backports"
[09:17] <holycow> NXTG_Jonathan, yes
[09:17] <bob2> NXTG_Jonathan: yes, it's being planned
[09:17] <NXTG_Jonathan> nickrud: where's here?
[09:17] <holycow> NXTG_Jonathan, the current installer actually has the capability for gui install
[09:17] <holycow> NXTG_Jonathan, its just not built yet
[09:17] <Kpjas> bob2: why ?
[09:17] <count0nz> Live CD's Rock
[09:17] <Tomcat_> bob2: Why not install backports?
[09:17] <Razor-X> dude!!!!11!!!!111
[09:18] <bob2> Kpjas: because they'll cause you problems later
[09:18] <Razor-X> something is finished!!!!!11!!!!
[09:18] <bob2> Tomcat_: because they're very poorly made
[09:18] <qko> please help...how I know which is my kernel version?
[09:18] <Kpjas> bob2: what else then ?
[09:18] <bob2> qko: uname -r
[09:18] <Shufla> Kpjas: http://ubuntu.pl/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=424
[09:18] <Razor-X> now time to finish the project as damn fast as I can
[09:18] <count0nz> Razor-X,  :( lol
[09:18] <qko> thanks
[09:18] <Razor-X> so I can watch something
[09:18] <bob2> Kpjas: just get the tarball from mozilla.org if you really think you need it
[09:18] <Madpilot> Razor-X: that's the 2nd time you've said that. downloading much pron tonight?
[09:18] <Madpilot> :>
[09:18] <Madpilot> :)
[09:18] <Razor-X> Madpilot: much much better
[09:18] <count0nz> LOL mins not even started.. must go search :)
[09:18] <nickrud> NXTG_Jonathan, california, USA, but I swear to god, all windows users are the same
[09:19] <Madpilot> Razor-X: pirate SWIII?
[09:19] <Shufla> Kpjas: afair (but still not sire) that fixes (from 1.0.4) are incorporated in package without bumping version. i'm _not_ sure.
[09:19] <count0nz> oh it started lol
[09:19] <Razor-X> Madpilot: *cough*
[09:19] <NXTG_Jonathan> nickred, yes the are, if it comes to using computers, they buy the worst
[09:19] <count0nz> Wish had   a real connection lol
[09:19] <Kpjas> Shufla: thx will see
[09:19] <mpm> bob2 if I wanted to edit backports Out of  my sources.list, how would I uninstall the things I'd installed in the meantime?
[09:19] <Razor-X> i've read the book, now i'm gonna watch something
[09:19] <Madpilot> Razor-X: right...nevermind... forget i even asked!
[09:19] <Razor-X> then i'm gonna go and watch it in the theaters
[09:20] <bob2> weazle: /win64
[09:20] <nickrud> Tomcat_, don't put anything on your system that isn't gpg signed, at least you'll know who to blame
[09:20] <bob2> bah
[09:20] <Tomcat_> nickrud: I haven't installed anything unsigned so far. :o
[09:20] <NXTG_Jonathan> i heared somewhere that windows 2003 was hacked in 3 day's, osx in 3 months and linux in 3,5 months. confirm this and make me happe :d
[09:20] <NXTG_Jonathan> :D
[09:20] <nickrud> Tomcat_, wise
[09:21] <Tomcat_> But I did install some things from backports that aren't available in Ubuntu, that's why I asked why they were bad. :o
[09:21] <Shufla> NXTG_Jonathan: there was such plot, but it's not issue.
[09:21] <Tomcat_> Like w32codecs, msfonts and stuff.
[09:21] <mindspin> hi, where do I set default boot (xp boots after x seconds wait) in grub ?
[09:21] <Razor-X> mindspin: lemme help ya
[09:21] <Tomcat_> mindspin: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:21] <Razor-X> first, in your favorite editor open up /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:22] <Shufla> mindspin: beware! some portions of menu.lst are autoupdated.
[09:22] <nickrud> Tomcat_, heh, that's a grey area right now, marillat & such, next iteration should have more clarity
[09:22] <count0nz> Don't you love it there falling over them selfs to help you
[09:22] <Razor-X> ahhh, forget it
[09:22] <mindspin> i know the path, but where in menu.lst do I have to add the changes?
[09:22] <Razor-X> too hyper with satisfaction an caffeine
[09:22] <mindspin> in lilo its just the first entry
[09:22] <Razor-X> mindspin: the command is defaut x
[09:23] <silic0n-jesus> ok... so I have an ASUS A8V Deluxe with an AMD 64 3400+ and i can install ubuntu, but once it extracts all the packages (that part that takes forever...), it just hangs and reboots my computer right as it says it was loading Gnome... any ideas?? PLEASE HELP!
[09:23] <Razor-X> where x is the entry #
[09:23] <seth> Hey bob2. I tried it with the orinoco line, and it doesn't give me that error anymore, but now it is saying I need to patch my orinoco drivers, but the thing is, it's not an orinoco card.
[09:23] <Razor-X> the first entry is 0
[09:23] <bob2> indeed
[09:23] <bob2> so keep trying
[09:23] <Razor-X> and then, add a line called timeout x
[09:23] <count0nz> i'll help more later too just kinds jaded right now
[09:23] <Razor-X> where x is the amount of seconds in which you want it to auto-boot
[09:23] <count0nz> need some food :) mmmm food
[09:23] <Razor-X> you can also hidemenu, if you don't want the menu to be seen
[09:23] <Shufla> ok
[09:23] <Shufla> i've got to work, byebye :D
[09:23] <Razor-X> orrr.... hiddenmenu
[09:23] <Razor-X> not sure, check the GRUB docs ;)
[09:24] <Razor-X> sorry, i'm a bit keyed
[09:24] <silic0n-jesus> ok... so I have an ASUS A8V Deluxe with an AMD 64 3400+ and i can install ubuntu, but once it extracts all the packages (that part that takes forever...), it just hangs and reboots my computer right as it says it was loading Gnome... any ideas?? PLEASE HELP!
[09:24] <silic0n-jesus> im serious... im loosing my mind without a box
[09:24] <Tomcat_> silic0n-jesus: No need to repeat so quickly. :o
[09:25] <Razor-X> neeed.... to.... watch... something
[09:25] <nickrud> Razor-X, I'm sure there's a TV in the background :)
[09:25] <Razor-X> nickrud: I don't have a DVD burner on this machine
[09:25] <Razor-X> nor, free DVD disks
[09:26] <Razor-X> I'm a gonna have to borrow it from someone
[09:26] <mindspin> Ok, I wanna answer a question of a friend, I'm not running xp here anyway, but he likes to boot his xp and ubuntu on demand
[09:26] <nickrud> ooh, I can't watch, a legal activity is occuring under my nose
[09:26] <seth> silic0n-jesus, did you try other media? Maybe the disk is buggered.
[09:26] <Razor-X> mindspin: if Ubuntu is installed correctly, it should auto-detect the WinXP partition, and add it to the boot menu
[09:27] <NXTG_Jonathan> is theire an x under development that is a havy competition to aqua (mac)? Some guy from india said KDE is going for it.
[09:27] <Razor-X> nickrud: eh?
[09:27] <mindspin> where has the windows part to be written down in menu.lst?
[09:27] <Razor-X> mindspin: anywhere, really
[09:27] <Razor-X> read the menu.lst, the comments are great
[09:27] <nickrud> Razor-X, a joke, copying a dvd has to be legal somewhere
[09:27] <Razor-X> and, read the docs
[09:27] <mindspin> ok it should work because he asked me that. ;-)
[09:27] <silic0n-jesus> seth: thats what i thought too, but i tried another copy of the 32 bit version and that didnt work either
[09:27] <Razor-X> nickrud: oh, hehe
[09:27] <Razor-X> i'm about to rip the thin t-shirt i'm wearing
[09:28] <Razor-X> i'm losing my sanity!!!!
[09:28] <count0_food> Saw Ep2 on Tv the other day lol
[09:28] <silic0n-jesus> razor-x: join the club
[09:28] <Razor-X> shaddap!!!!!!
[09:28] <silic0n-jesus> ?
[09:28] <mindspin> Razor anywhere haha, and where do I select the default system to be booted?
[09:29] <Razor-X> damned science project!
[09:29] <Razor-X> mindspin: at the beginning
[09:29] <Razor-X> well, it was my idea to take a Junior course in my Freshman year
[09:30] <count0_food> The Windows stuff is on line 35
[09:30] <count0_food> # examples
[09:30] <count0_food> #
[09:30] <count0_food> # title         Windows 95/98/NT/2000
[09:30] <count0_food> # root          (hd0,0)
[09:30] <count0_food> # makeactive
[09:30] <count0_food> # chainloader   +1
[09:30] <eater773> why is it apt command give me a error "command not found" ???!!! need help again...
[09:30] <hhurtta> eater773: because its apt-get?
[09:30] <mindspin> Razor to get you right, I just have to make sure, that the entry for xp is the first after the default entries ?
[09:31] <Razor-X> mindspin: here's how it works
[09:31] <riply> can i read the man pages online ? cause i have this shitty mandrake all in spanish!
[09:31] <Razor-X> in the beginning of the document, add in a line that says default x
[09:31] <mindspin> just like lilo hehe
[09:31] <weazle> bob2: win64 wtf
[09:31] <Mosi> Riply: lol
[09:31] <Razor-X> where x is the entry number
[09:31] <count0_food> riply, prob for U ?
[09:31] <Razor-X> there should be a commented line in there, or uncommented, not sure which, that already starts with default
[09:32] <riply> it's true! all in spanish and bad translation too
[09:32] <Razor-X> then, when you go to the section wit the entries, the first entry is automatically defined teh number "0"
[09:32] <eater773> hhurta .> yap... i use "apt -get -install <program>" ... error ... " bash: apt: command not found" ...
[09:32] <Mosi> Is anyone here familiar with trying to run World of Warcraft on ubuntu?
[09:32] <Razor-X> eater773: apt-get, no space between apt and -get
[09:32] <riply> "el mezclador de .. no se que " lol
[09:32] <hhurtta> eater773: its not apt -get but apt-get
[09:32] <seth_> bob2, got it working. Just grabbed my acx100 card, and used the acx100source.
[09:32] <count0_food> http://linux.ctyme.com/
[09:32] <count0_food> Linux man pages
[09:33] <riply> kk
[09:33] <raia> bob2 look what i find:after i shut down the next shut down i have to sudo modprobe apm back
[09:33] <bob2> raia: yes, you ignored what I said
[09:33] <bob2> 17:00:10 @         bob2 | raia: now add apm on it's own line to /etc/modules
[09:33] <Kpjas> re
[09:34] <bob2> shockingly, things don't work when you don't set it up to work
[09:34] <seth_> What is the code to deactivate a network connection?
[09:34] <bob2> sudo ifdown ethN
[09:34] <seth_> Alrighty.
[09:34] <IIIEARS>         lol - Wa? you can't "Improvise?"
[09:35] <EricNeon> hello~
[09:35] <seth_> And to reactivate it? Writing a script.
[09:35] <seth_> ifup?
[09:35] <EricNeon> I'm be back
[09:35] <eater773> hhurta>> ok.... so i use "apt-get -install <program> .. error " i" command line option...
[09:35] <bob2> seth_: yes
[09:35] <seth_> Cool.
[09:35] <Kpjas> I've got a small prob some application instaled from Add-on CD can be actually used because dialog boxes have black bgr so black lettering on black bgr What gives ?
[09:35] <bob2> eater773: yes, it's install, not -install
[09:35] <IIIEARS> you have to follow the instructions bob2 gives everytime :0
[09:35] <raia> hello
[09:35] <hhurtta> don't use '-' before install
[09:35] <bob2> Kpjas: talk to whoever made the cd
[09:36] <Kpjas> a guy from Kuala Lumpur
[09:36] <NXTG_Jonathan> \exit
[09:36] <Kpjas> the apps are xmms amule
[09:36] <riply> count0_food, thanks that was what i was lookin for !
[09:37] <count0_food> riply, kewl :)
[09:37] <RatDude2> hi ppl
[09:37] <Kpjas> bob2: http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd
[09:38] <eater773> hhurta... ok.... testing
[09:38] <bob2> Kpjas: yes, talk to them
[09:38] <bob2> Kpjas: it has nothing to with ubuntu itself
[09:38] <Rat123> i cant get the defualt gateway device eth0 to staick after a restart
[09:38] <Kpjas> bob2: i see
[09:38] <Rat123> any1 help plz?
[09:38] <bob2> Rat123: you need to put it in /etc/network/interfaces
[09:40] <seth_> With bash scripting, how do I get it to not echo anything other then what I tell it to?
[09:40] <Anubis> starting to hate nautilus
[09:41] <count0_food> seth usaly >/dev/null or >%2 etc
[09:41] <seth_> For example, I just made a script to kill wlan0 and rebring it up. It is showing me everything it is doing, and all I want it to show me is what I told it to echo. It shows what I asked it to, I just don't want to see the other things.
[09:42] <count0_food> seth, look in /etc/init.d/xxxxx and see how thay do there scripts %>2 or something have to man bash
[09:42] <Rat123> where is the /etc/network/interfaces do i add the defualt gatway
[09:42] <engin> i use ubuntu honary amd64bit// my firefox version is 1.02 how can update it?
[09:43] <Mosi> Rat123: It would be in /etc/network...
[09:43] <yahalom> what is the app that records my key strokes so that i can know the code? in order to use it with xmodmap?
[09:43] <count0_food> engin, Don't panic 1.02 is more secure than 1.04 right now there is a security fix in works
[09:45] <engin> but many times when i want to surf in the net; i write the adress but it always goes to bbcnews:)
[09:45] <Rat123> where do i add a defualt gateway in the network file ?
[09:45] <engin> i want to go different web sites
[09:45] <engin> :)
[09:46] <Madpilot> engin: if this were windows, you'd have spyware or a virus. thought that couldn't happen in linux!
[09:46] <_dockane_> i took a full cdrw and tried  cdrecording with nautilus: nautilus detected a cdrw, said it would delete it and ejected the burned disc. then i tried to read it with my cdrom and now the drive hangs in a loop, how do i force to eject ?
[09:46] <engin> yes it happen in linux..
[09:47] <Tomcat_> engin: Got a Windows router? :)
[09:47] <engin> when i clear the cookies and chache.. it resolve.. but not every time
[09:47] <Rat123> can any1 help me with my network
[09:48] <count0_food> Linux has _Virus's_
[09:48] <philc1> I have a a7a266 (ali magik chipset) motherboard. I just installed ubuntu on it, and dma is turned off on my hard drive. I checked, and the correct ata module for this chipset is loaded (alim15x3). However, if I turn on dma using hdparm -d1 /dev/hda, the entire system freezes. What can I do? This system/mobo has always worked fine for me under gentoo
[09:48] <eater773> how can i have "libgtk1.2"
[09:49] <FreezerX> hi, how do I activate the tilde key of my keyboard?  Where do I find the "nodeadkey-option" to get all keys. I use the german 105intl layout.
[09:49] <engin> Tomcat_:got a windows router?? how i can do it??
[09:49] <count0_food> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/
[09:49] <Rat123> how can i make the defualt gayway stick after a restrt?
[09:49] <eater773> how can i have "libgtk1.2"
[09:49] <count0_food> i like this quote tho
[09:49] <count0_food> "To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it, writes SecurityFocus columnist Scott Granneman."
[09:50] <goldfish> Alot of ppl use that quote :)
[09:50] <bob2> Rat123: please don't /me me
[09:50] <_dockane_> i need to eject the cd but the drive is not responding to hard nor soft eject ... any ideas ?
[09:50] <count0_food> Agree
[09:50] <bob2> Rat123: you add it to /etc/network/interfaces
[09:50] <bob2> Rat123: are you sure you're not using dhcp?
[09:50] <Xgates> hey all
[09:50] <eater773> bob2-->how can i have "libgtk1.2"
[09:50] <_dockane_> the cdrom constantly tries to read ... no result
[09:50] <athlon> FreezerX, System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout -> Add -> German -> Eliminate Dead Key
[09:51] <Rat123> im useing dhcp
[09:51] <bob2> eater773: what are you trying to do?
[09:51] <bob2> Rat123: then the dhcp server will tell your computer what gateway to use
[09:52] <Xgates> say under the "System" "Admin" "Printing" what does that printing GUI wizard use to detect a printer, I mean how is it doing it?, the stock Ubuntu kernel detects it, but after recompiling a kernel it does not, so not sure if its that or a service I killed in /etc/init.d
[09:52] <Rat123> i have that working but when i restart it forgets the defualt gateway
[09:52] <count0_food> LOL
[09:52] <count0_food> ". When it comes to email-borne viruses and worms, Linux may not be completely immune - after all, nothing is immune to human gullibility and stupidity"
[09:52] <eater773> bob2-> installing nerolinux... coz i can't install gnomebaker... error " libgtk1.2 is not installed"...
[09:52] <FreezerX> athlon, thx
[09:53] <bob2> eater773: so, install that package
[09:53] <hhurtta> Rat123: why do you need to have differen gw than the one dhcp gives you?
[09:53] <bob2> Xgates: it's cups. why did you recompile the kernel?
[09:53] <eater773> bob2-> i already in synaptic package... still ...
[09:53] <bob2> eater773: well, maybe nero is broken then
[09:54] <bob2> eater773: talk to the nero company, presumably they provide support if they charge you money
[09:54] <Mosi> Rat123: It sounds to me like you aren't getting a default gateway from your DHCP server, is that what you're saying?
[09:54] <_dockane_> i really need a hint how do eject the cdrw ... soft or hard eject do not work
[09:54] <eater773> bob2-> is a trial version only......
[09:54] <Mosi> _dockane_: Paperclip :P
[09:54] <bob2> _dockane_: did you unmount it?
[09:55] <Xgates> bob2: well cups then is not a kernel issue, so why cant I possibly get it to detect
[09:55] <hhurtta> Rat123: please, dont /msg
[09:55] <Xgates> I have cups running at start up
[09:55] <JaneW> _dockane_,: I have had the same problem before, I eventually tried a reboot and that solved it...
[09:55] <bob2> Xgates: no idea
[09:55] <JaneW> count0_food: I seem to have amanged the former quite easilly, just by installing flash 7 ;)
[09:55] <_dockane_> JaneW, reboot is for the weak ;)
[09:55] <Rat123> its not sticking in the network config under desktop admin networking where it says defualt gateway device
[09:55] <bob2> you could break cups by recompiling your kernel, tho
[09:55] <Xgates> Nero Linux ahh man I havent been paying attention didnt know that Nero came out for a version for Linux
[09:55] <Rat123> im geting a dhcp ip
[09:56] <bob2> Xgates: why did you recompile it, anyway? the hoary kernel should support everything around
[09:56] <Xgates> you cant break cups by compiling the kernel
[09:56] <Xgates> hehe it has nothing to do with it
[09:56] <bob2> yes you can
[09:56] <_dockane_> Mosi, i do not want to kill my cdrom with using the emergency eject on a running disk ... and its dangerous : i already saw cdrom drives exploding ...
[09:57] <Xgates> dude I've run Slackware and compiled my kernel 100's of times even 1000's and cups was never effected
[09:57] <Xgates> :-)
[09:57] <Xgates> cups has nothing to do with kernel support other then USB which is the hardware of the printer not the software
[09:57] <Mosi> _dockane_: I was joking. Just for the record it's late for me, and i'm multitasking... i'm not really giving help any more, i'm just being the peanut gallery. beacuse someone has to do it. :)
[09:58] <liable> _dockane_: try lsof /dev/cdrom, then kill ehatever is using it
[09:58] <Rat123> can any1 give me a step by step on setting up a network?
[09:58] <Xgates> bob2: ok I can see that it's like Alsa you need to recompile it if you compile the kernel THAT kind of thing
[09:59] <Xgates> but then thats crap on the part of cups needing to be recompiled
[10:00] <Tallia1> hi guys........ i've a very fast problem..... :) i'm under ubuntu.. and i need to use SVN to access the svn repositories of kopete.. because M$ change the login procedure and now K doesn't works at all......... but if i haven't the svn command !!!
[10:00] <Tallia1> where i can found it?!
[10:01] <Xgates> bob2: LOL I just reinstalled all of the cups software and the Gnome GUI then detected it
[10:01] <Xgates> BUGS
[10:01] <Xgates> lol
[10:01] <Xgates> I mean THEN it detected it
[10:01] <Xgates> hmm
[10:02] <Xgates> is nerolinux freeware?
[10:02] <Xgates> opensrc?
[10:03] <Sionide> man, you should have seen ubuntu installing onto my laptop last night
[10:03] <JaneW> _dockane_: and the unskilled ;)
[10:03] <Sionide> recognised my wireless and everything, i'm pretty damn pleased with it:)
[10:03] <Xgates> oh errr
[10:03] <Xgates> that sucks
[10:03] <Seveas> gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodmorning #ubuntu!
[10:04] <Xgates> Sionide: well if you have supported hardware it should the friggin kernel has just about every feature compiled into the kernel
[10:04] <bob2> Xgates: no and no, it's payware
[10:04] <Seveas> Xgates, not really, most things are built as modules :)
[10:04] <Sionide> *shrug*
[10:04] <riply> morning Seveas
[10:04] <Xgates> Sionide: OH and just to clue you in on Linux Ubuntu has nothing to do with having your system work THAT is the LINUX kernel and it will do the same in any distro, of course some more automated then others :-)
[10:05] <Xgates> Seveas: YES excuse me for not being POLITICALY correct ---> <*> compiled in :-) ---> <m> module
[10:05] <Xgates> WoOt
[10:05] <Xgates> :-)
[10:05] <Seveas> ;)
[10:05] <Sionide> well... i've tried putting slackware on my other laptop and it didn't work, put the ubuntu cd in and it worked first time so...
[10:06] <Xgates> Sionide: yeah well Slack is a HANDS on you're never going to get it all going out the box in Slack
[10:06] <Xgates> :-)
[10:06] <Seveas> Xgates, it matters in memory consumption, so i am glad all things are modules
[10:06] <Sionide> yeah but i'm just saying ok.... even with a lot of work slack still didnt wanna even load :/
[10:06] <Xgates> well all them mods still create bloat
[10:06] <Seveas> Xgates, feel free to compile your own kernel :)
[10:06] <Mosi> Xgates: So take out what you don't need, that's the point of modules is it not?"
[10:07] <Xgates> and depending on how Ubuntu has /etc/modules.conf going its going to load alot of stuff that does pull at the system a little
[10:07] <Mosi> well then make it better
[10:07] <Xgates> :-)
[10:07] <Seveas> :)
[10:07] <Xgates> I did
[10:07] <Xgates> I made it HELL lot better
[10:07] <goldfish> you did?
[10:07] <Mosi> wouldn't have been able to without modules
[10:07] <IIIEARS> Open source!
[10:07] <Xgates> I should after 5 years in Slack 24/7 I'd better be damm good at compiling kernels and software and all
[10:07] <Mosi> modules are good, no argument
[10:07] <Xgates> :-)
[10:07] <Xgates> hehe
[10:08] <Mosi> lol
[10:08] <goldfish> Xgates: Is slack good?
[10:08] <Xgates> Slack is very good fast and almost bullet proff
[10:08] <Xgates> proof
[10:08] <IIIEARS> mondo doesn't care - grin
[10:08] <Seveas> Xgates, after 5 years of slackware you should, after 5 years of ubuntu you might have never even touched ./configure :)
[10:08] <Xgates> I just had to jump off the bandwagon because I dont have the time much anymore to compile all the software I want all the time
[10:09] <goldfish> hmmm
[10:09] <Xyc0> Anyone here use Cedega or WineX?
[10:09] <goldfish> I might try slack on my laptop.
[10:09] <goldfish> i want something fast
[10:09] <Xgates> Seveas: nah I'm a much better Linux user then most Ubuntu users and for that I have no regrets
[10:09] <Xgates> after all we are not running Windows here
[10:09] <Xgates> hehe
[10:09] <Xyc0> Ubuntu is fast
[10:09] <goldfish> Xyc0: I did.
[10:09] <goldfish> Xyc0: meh, it's a bit sluggish on my laptop.
[10:09] <goldfish> well
[10:09] <Xgates> Xyc0: Slack is quite a bit faster
[10:10] <Xyc0> goldfish: What distro did you use it on?
[10:10] <IIIEARS> Xgates - Slackware must be challenging, - you are here.
[10:10] <goldfish> Hoary.
[10:10] <Seveas> Xgates, you shouldn't. The ./configure, make, make install dance is a good way of spending your time :)
[10:10] <riply> touche!
[10:10] <Xgates> Ubuntu has to many serivces pulling at it that slow it down a bit so you need quite a bit more memory then a smaller distro like Slack
[10:10] <Xyc0> I see no lag on my laptop or desktop
[10:11] <Xgates> Seveas: well there is alot of software that is not always available for that distro and if you want something then you need to OR depend on others to do it THEN hope they did it right
[10:11] <Xyc0> ubuntu boots up faster then windows
[10:11] <Xyc0> that doesnt mean much
[10:11] <goldfish> Xyc0: it does
[10:11] <Xgates> software can be compiled to not run with the best optimizations on your box
[10:11] <Xyc0> but FC3 and other distros ive tried took forever to boot up
[10:12] <Seveas> Xgates, true, i'd rater build from source than use something scary and icky like backports
[10:12] <goldfish> ubuntu boot sup really fast
[10:12] <goldfish> it's just a bit slow on my laptop
[10:12] <Xgates> I've compiled everything from gaim to firefox to evolution, transcode, dvdrip:: and just about all other goodies in between
[10:12] <Xgates> :-)
[10:12] <Seveas> :)
[10:12] <goldfish> Xgates: nice :)
[10:12] <Seveas> apt-get -b source
[10:12] <Xgates> SO
[10:13] <Xgates> if we see something that would be nice to have in Ubuntu and is not there
[10:13] <Xgates> give me a YELL I dont mind making something once and awhile
[10:13] <Xgates> then we might be able to get some more software
[10:13] <Xyc0> I was thinking of paying for Cedega, but i dont know if that would being going against the whole "Open Source" philosophy
[10:13] <Xgates> Xyc0: all I pay for it
[10:13] <Xgates> LOL
[10:14] <Xgates> yes its not really opensrc, BUT lets face alot of those old games are not going to be either so you want to play them you pay
[10:14] <Xgates> OR use wine with X support but not as good
[10:14] <Xyc0> wine is horrid
[10:14] <Xgates> getting better
[10:15] <Xgates> I had it compiled and all setup with everything as a Slackware package for ppl and ready to install and use in like 5mins
[10:15] <Xgates> hehe
[10:15] <Xgates> BUT damm that was a few days of fiddling with it and getting to learn it
[10:16] <Xgates> Seveas: OH and the great thing about compiling you dont have to wait to get something or the latest
[10:16] <Xgates> go grab it and make it happen
[10:16] <Xgates> :-)
[10:16] <nailism> ubuntu people: do you have a binary called 'desktop-file-install'?
[10:16] <nailism> if it's there it'll probably be in $PATH
[10:17] <daniels> yep
[10:17] <nailism> it's there?
[10:17] <nailism> sweet
[10:18] <nailism> woo fdo standardization. upstream gtkpod will now make menu entries.
[10:18] <daniels> swoit :)
[10:18] <_dockane_> what is burn free in gnome-baker ?
[10:19] <Madpilot> g'night, all.
[10:20] <philc1> I need a fix in a newer kernel version (2.6.11) to enable dma on my drive, but don't want to compile and maintain a custom kernel. Is there a way I can get a backport of a newer kernel, that has the same packaging as the 2.6.10-5 kernel that comes with hoary?
[10:21] <kestas> philc1: check synaptic
[10:21] <kestas> theres a 2.6.11 package
[10:21] <bob2> philc1: how much do you care about dma?
[10:21] <philc1> bob2: my system is unbearably slow withou tit
[10:22] <philc1> kestas: I only see 2.6.10-7 on a fresh install, after updating synaptic. Do I need to enable any unofficial repositories?
[10:22] <kestas> philc1: yup add universe
[10:22] <fabbione> no
[10:22] <fabbione> the 2.6.11 in universe is NOT 2.6.11
[10:23] <fabbione> do not install it
[10:23] <kestas> Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
[10:23] <kestas> This package contains the Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on
[10:23] <kestas>  Pentium Pro/Celeron/Pentium II/Pentium III/Pentium IV,
[10:23] <kestas> thats the description
[10:23] <fabbione> kestas: it's a 2.6.10 bk snapshot
[10:23] <kestas> ?
[10:23] <fabbione> kestas: read the changelog
[10:23] <fabbione> it's something between 2.6.10 and 2.6.11
[10:24] <fabbione> a development release
[10:24] <bob2> kestas: fabbione is the ubuntu kernel maintainer
[10:24] <fabbione> bob2: shhh!
[10:24] <philc1> heh
[10:24] <philc1> guess that settles that
[10:24] <philc1> I know a patch was applied by a kernel maintainer. How can I discover the version of the kernel that the patch made it into?
[10:24] <fabbione> let me have some fun :)
[10:24] <kestas> how confusing
[10:24] <bob2> oops
[10:24] <kestas> so why did you call it 2.6.11 if its 2.6.10?
[10:25] <nailism> _dockane_, a way to prevent buffer overruns some CD burners support
[10:25] <fabbione> kestas: because it was supposed to be .11 at a certain point in time, but unfortunatly .11 final was released too late to make hoary
[10:25] <_dockane_> nailism, ah ok. but i think you mean underrun, don't you ?
[10:26] <kestas> so you left it in?
[10:27] <philc1> A patch was applied on the 10th of march. Anyone have an idea of what kernel that was? and might it be in the 2.6.11 package in universe?
[10:27] <fabbione> kestas: it was left in universe (not supported)
[10:27] <fabbione> philc1: you can try to grab the kernel 2.6.12 from breezy.
[10:27] <kestas> fabbione: well cant you update it to what its supposed to be?
[10:27] <fabbione> philc1: that one for sure has the patch.
[10:28] <philc1> fabbione: thanks, will check it out
[10:28] <fabbione> kestas: no. and we are working on the breezy kernel (2.6.12
[10:28] <fabbione> philc1: be aware that it is a 2.6.12rc4
[10:28] <philc1> iz ok
[10:28] <kestas> well cant you remove it from the repo?
[10:28] <fabbione> philc1: it's not final and subject to deep changes in the short future
[10:28] <kestas> heheh I dont get it its like its needlessly confusing
[10:28] <kestas> for no reason
[10:28] <fabbione> kestas: no
[10:28] <philc1> fabbione: it is somewhat deceptive
[10:28] <linuxboy> is it wise for me to download the thunderbird source package, then modify it and use that ?
[10:29] <kestas> fabbione: yes. it is confusing
[10:29] <fabbione> philc1: the version number is pretty clear :)
[10:29] <fabbione> kestas: no <- i can't remove it from the archive
[10:29] <fabbione> and the version is not even -1
[10:29] <fabbione> it's 0.2
[10:29] <fabbione> + there is a changelog
[10:29] <fabbione> that explain status of things
[10:29] <kestas> k
[10:29] <kestas> but why cant you remove it, just out of interest?
[10:30] <fabbione> kestas: because the hoary archive is locked
[10:30] <kestas> ah k
[10:30] <fabbione> once a release is done, the archive is untouchable
[10:30] <kestas> ah I see
[10:31] <fabbione> kestas: that's why there are hoary-security and hoary-updates
[10:31] <fabbione> for main
[10:32] <kestas> hmm k it all makes sense
[10:36] <runge> hi. is ubuntu in any way also geard twards servers, or should I just use plane debian?
[10:37] <kestas> runge: depends if you need recent versions
[10:37] <kestas> runge: if you can use woody then woody would be better, but otherwise ubuntu-server is the way to go
[10:37] <runge> kestas, would like kernel 2.6 postgresql 8 and such if possible, but still with security patching
[10:37] <kestas> well then itll have to be ubuntu-server I think
[10:38] <bob2> runge: then you'll have to look after postgresql 8 yourself
[10:38] <bob2> it's not in ubuntu
[10:38] <kestas> runge: postgre 8 isn-- yeah
[10:38] <kestas> maybe backports has it?
[10:38] <bob2> god
[10:39] <runge> is there a place to search packages for ubuntu? (I do not have one installed here, thinking more of a webpage)
[10:39] <bob2> I would strongly strongly not recommend using backports on a server
[10:39] <Seveas> skip the last 3 words of that bob2 :)
[10:39] <kestas> bob2: well if he wants postgre then its backports or making it himself, and if he makes it himself and theres a vulnerability and he doesnt keep an eye on it hell be vulnerable
[10:39] <kestas> bob2: but I dont know how unstable backports is
[10:40] <Seveas> kestas, same goes for backports
[10:40] <Seveas> it has unknown/no QA
[10:40] <kestas> but it gets updated right?
[10:40] <Seveas> could be
[10:40] <Seveas> but i'd only trust ubuntu sources
[10:40] <kestas> depends if you would keep a keen eye on it or not
[10:40] <kestas> I dont think its as ridiculous as bob2 makes out
[10:41] <bob2> kestas: I really really really doubt the backports people look after security properly
[10:41] <kestas> Seveas: well postgre 8 aint in ubuntu sources
[10:41] <bob2> since they don't even version their packages properly
[10:41] <kestas> okay
[10:41] <Seveas> kestas, maybe it'll be in breezy
[10:41] <raia> hello
[10:41] <bob2> it will be
[10:42] <kestas> yeah but thatll be in october
[10:42] <Seveas> you've/he's lived without it so far, another few months won't hurt
[10:42] <raia> how i get modprobe apm please
[10:42] <bob2> raia: please actually read what people tell you
[10:42] <kestas> apm is decaprecated
[10:42] <bob2> raia: I've explained twice now what to do
[10:42] <bob2> kestas: raia's hardware doesn't do acpi
[10:42] <Seveas> kestas, some machines need it
[10:42] <kestas> hmm k
[10:42] <Seveas> deprecated, but still used hardware :)
[10:43] <bob2> raia: add the word apm on it's own line to /etc/modules
[10:45] <Seveas> bob2, aren't fool proof instructions like echo 'apm' | sudo tee -a .... more appropriate for newbies?
[10:45] <beezly> !breezy
[10:45] <beezly> hmm, this ain't #debian
[10:45] <bob2> perhaps
[10:45] <Seveas> lol beezly :)
[10:45] <bob2> but I do kinda expect people to say "I don't understand, can you make it simpler?" if they don't understand it
[10:45] <bob2> instead of ignoring over and over
[10:46] <Seveas> :)
[10:46] <Seveas> bob2, that's the horror of support
[10:46] <raia> bob 2 if i insert (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko)there will be no pb?
[10:47] <bob2> raia: I don't understand your question
[10:47] <Seveas> raia, did you even *read* what he said?
[10:47] <raia> because after switching on is not shutting
[10:48] <raia> i cant switch pc
[10:48] <bob2> raia: did you do what I said, or not?
[10:48] <raia> i sudo odprobe apm and is shutting
[10:48] <raia> what did u said?
[10:49] <raia> sorry can u tell me again?
[10:49] <liable> raia: /lastlog raia
[10:49] <bob2> 18:43:18 @         bob2 | raia: add the word apm on it's own line to /etc/modules
[10:49] <raia> raia@10:~ $ /lastlog raia
[10:49] <raia> bash: /lastlog: No such file or directory
[10:50] <bob2> lord
[10:50] <Gog> :)
[10:50] <liable> hah
[10:50] <liable> in your irc client
[10:50] <philc1> lol
[10:50] <philc1> you guys are hilarious
[10:50] <raia> bob2 how i'll do this
[10:51] <raia> i am a beginer
[10:51] <bob2> raia: so
[10:51] <count0_food> sudo echo "apm" >> /etc/modules
[10:51] <bob2> raia: in future, when someone suggested something ytou don't understand, please say so
[10:51] <bob2> instead of ignoring them and asking the same question 4 times
[10:51] <bob2> count0_food: that won't work
[10:51] <Seveas> count0_food, that does not work
[10:51] <count0_food> opps
[10:51] <raia> raia@10:~ $ sudo echo "apm" >> /etc/modules
[10:51] <raia> bash: /etc/modules: Permission denied
[10:51] <raia> raia@10:~ $
[10:51] <bob2> raia: run: echo apm | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[10:51] <philc1> kestas, fabbione: I upgraded to 2.6.12 from breezy, and the patch is there, and dma is working. System boots up in 1/10 the time as it did before. Thanks guys
[10:52] <raia> done
[10:52] <pablum> I confess I never learned how to use sudo.   I always use su.
[10:52] <bob2> raia: no reboot
[10:52] <bob2> er, now
[10:52] <raia> k
[10:52] <raia> let me see
[10:53] <raia> on restart is working
[10:53] <raia> on shut down is not working
[10:53] <raia> let m,e see
[10:53] <bob2> count0_food: that runs echo as root, but it's your shell that's trying to put the output into the file (and your shell is running as you)
[10:53] <nikolaus> some one can help me? yesterday i installed ubuntu everthing went well, had a 1280x1024 resolution. today there is only 800x600 possible and i nearly changed all lines in xorg.conf
[10:53] <count0_food> -) true duhhbob2, "_
[10:54] <Seveas> nikolaus, did you edit these lines before or after the resolution change?
[10:54] <nikolaus> after the resolution changed
[10:54] <mg> hi, anyone know how to get the gdm actions menu so i can do an xdmcp login?
[10:55] <Seveas> mg, system->administration->login screen setup
[10:55] <mg> Seveas: yes, the option is ticked. it doesn't work here.
[10:55] <Seveas> nikolaus, i think it's better to start from scratch since it worked right after the install, so backup your xorg.conf and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:56] <Seveas> mg, there is also an option to disallow all xdmcp
[10:56] <Seveas> on the security tab
[10:58] <RatDude2> how do i add a defualt in the root consel?
[10:59] <RatDude2> or how do i add it to the interfaces file?
[10:59] <Seveas> RatDude2, i don't understand what you want to do, can you be a bit more clear please...
[11:00] <rattboi> ratdude?
[11:00] <rattboi> that's too close to my name
[11:00] <Seveas> so?
[11:00] <rattboi> no problem
[11:00] <RatDude2> so lol u got pet rats?
[11:00] <RatDude2> lol
[11:00] <rattboi> no
[11:00] <rattboi> just a nickname I got since elementary school
[11:00] <RatDude2> lol same
[11:00] <count0_food> lol i got ratties too
[11:00] <rattboi> I gotta figure it has to do with my big nose
[11:00] <rattboi> I had 1 pet rat later though
[11:01] <rattboi> it died of some lung infection
[11:01] <Seveas> but let's stay on topic people :)
[11:01] <AirWays> How I can installackage?
[11:01] <AirWays> deb package
[11:01] <Seveas> RatDude2, did you read my request?
[11:01] <raia> not working bob2
[11:01] <Seveas> AirWays, dpkg -i filename.deb
[11:01] <bob2> raia: paste your /etc/modules to #flood
[11:01] <RatDude2> i want to set a defualt gatway cos in the network settings when i restart the defualt gateway eth0 isnt there
[11:02] <AirWays> thanks
[11:02] <_NiC> anyone know why the torrent-tracker is down, and/or when it's expected to be back up?
[11:02] <RatDude2> can any1 giev me a step to step on setting up a network?
[11:02] <bob2> RatDude2: you're not using dhcp?
[11:02] <raia> ?
[11:02] <RatDude2> bob2 i am
[11:02] <count0_food> torrent is not down ??? checking
[11:02] <Seveas> RatDude2, if you use dhco you do not need that...
[11:02] <RatDude2> but each time i restrt it isnt there
[11:02] <_NiC> count0_food: connection refused is all i get.
[11:02] <bob2> RatDude2: why do you need to set the gateway then?
[11:02] <bob2> RatDude2: paste your /etc/network/interfaces to #flood please
[11:02] <count0_food> this ?
[11:02] <count0_food> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce
[11:03] <RatDude2> cos its not there when i restart in the network setting in the pull down box
[11:03] <raia> bob2 how to paste?
[11:03] <nikolaus> seveas i now changed every line in xorg.conf to "1280x1024" bust still only 1024x786 possible
[11:03] <count0_food> hits update
[11:03] <RatDude2> defualt gateway is nothing when i restart so its not sticking or something
[11:03] <raia> raia@10:~ $ /etc/modules
[11:03] <_NiC> count0_food: that's the one.
[11:03] <raia> bash: /etc/modules: Permission denied
[11:03] <raia> raia@10:~ $
[11:03] <count0_food> mine was ok 11 mins ago
[11:03] <bob2> raia: dude
[11:03] <bob2> raia: are you in linux now?
[11:03] <Seveas> nikolaus, have you restarted the X server after you cahnged the lines?
[11:03] <raia> yes
[11:04] <count0nz> ok....
[11:04] <count0nz> its down confirmed here too
[11:04] <Seveas> raia, type this in your xchat:
[11:04] <bob2> raia: open a terminal and type "cat /etc/modules"
[11:04] <Seveas>  /join #flood
[11:04] <Seveas> then go to #flood
[11:04] <Seveas> then type in xchat:
[11:04] <nikolaus> yes, i did a full system reboot
[11:04] <RatDude2> im useing dhcp ive got a ip and a dns and i have set the defualt gatway in the network pull down thing to eth0 and when i restrt it gos back to blank
[11:04] <Seveas>  /exec -o cat /etc/modules
[11:04] <raia> raia@10:~ $ cat /etc/modules
[11:05] <raia> # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time.
[11:05] <raia> #
[11:05] <raia> # This file should contain the names of kernel modules that are
[11:05] <raia> # to be loaded at boot time, one per line.  Comments begin with
[11:05] <raia> # a "#", and everything on the line after them are ignored.
[11:05] <Seveas> RatDude2, that's normal since dhcp should give you the gateway
[11:05] <raia> psmouse
[11:05] <raia> mousedev
[11:05] <Battletux> hey are the backports down this morning?
[11:05] <raia> ide-cd
[11:05] <Seveas> you should not need to manually set it
[11:05] <raia> ide-disk
[11:05] <raia> ide-generic
[11:05] <raia> lp
[11:05] <raia> raia@10:~ $
[11:05] <Seveas> raia, i said: go to #flood
[11:05] <Seveas> but anyway: the module is not added
[11:05] <bob2> raia: you didn't run the command I gave you then
[11:05] <RatDude2> but when i restrt there nothing in the defulte gateway in the network settings ?
[11:05] <RatDude2> and i cant get the net
[11:05] <bob2> RatDude2: ignore the gui completely
[11:06] <Seveas> RatDude2, your dhcp server should give you a gateway ip address
[11:06] <bob2> RatDude2: paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces to 3flood
[11:06] <raia> yes
[11:06] <raia> i ran it
[11:06] <bob2> show us you running it again
[11:06] <RatDude2> whos 3flood?
[11:06] <Seveas> #flood
[11:06] <RatDude2> oh ok
[11:06] <raia> i am in flood now bob 2
[11:07] <bob2> raia: show us you running the command I gave you to begin with
[11:07] <bob2> raia: echo apm | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[11:07] <RatDude2> bob2 is that right?
[11:08] <bob2> RatDude2: yes, thanks
[11:08] <bob2> that should just work
[11:08] <RatDude2> u would think
[11:08] <RatDude2> um...
[11:08] <Seveas> RatDude2, check your dhcp server config
[11:08] <Seveas> it should send a gateway address
[11:09] <bob2> RatDude2: does it work for other machines?
[11:09] <raia> done
[11:09] <RatDude2> bob2 this in\s my only linux pc the rest r xp
[11:09] <bob2> RatDude2: they work fine?
[11:09] <RatDude2> Seveas, where is the server config?
[11:10] <RatDude2> yes bob2
[11:10] <raia> bob2 i did
[11:10] <bob2> raia: now run "cat /etc/modules" and show us in #flood again
[11:10] <RatDude2> im on tghe linux pc atm getting the net but when i restrt i cant
[11:10] <bob2> RatDude2: ok, what do you have to do to get it to work?
[11:11] <raia> seems to appear
[11:11] <RatDude2> i have to go to desktop, admin, networking and pull down the defualt gateway device and put eth0 in there
[11:11] <Madeye> when they will backport firefox 1.0.4 ?
[11:11] <bob2> raia: now try rebooting
[11:11] <bob2> Madeye: hoary will never have 1.0.4.
[11:12] <Seveas> Madeye, FF in ubuntu has all 1.0.4 security patches
[11:12] <erik_> hello
[11:12] <erik_> I have a problem with the sound in Kino
[11:12] <erik_> is there anybody who can help me?
[11:12] <RatDude2> what do u think bob2?
[11:12] <Battletux> does anyone know if the hoary backports are down? i cant seem to upgrade/install from them
[11:12] <Seveas> Battletux, you shouldn't even want to do that ;)
[11:13] <Madeye> bob2,  why ?
[11:13] <Madeye> Seveas, yeah I know but with 1.0.3 we cannot access firefox extension page
[11:13] <erik_> Is it possible to force Kino to use ESD?
[11:14] <Battletux> Seveas: if my laptop dies because of the backports then art least i'll have something to do at work for a change :)
[11:14] <Seveas> Madeye, just let FF lie about its identity
[11:14] <bob2> Madeye: it's frozen, it doesn't get new versions of software
[11:14] <bob2> erik_: esddsp kin, might work
[11:14] <RatDude2> bob2 any ideas?
[11:14] <Madeye> Seveas,  How?
[11:14] <haydenTNG> hi
[11:14] <Seveas> you can set it's User-Agent string
[11:14] <erik_> bob2: how to I do the edsdsp kin thing?
[11:14] <bob2> erik_: run it in a terminal
[11:14] <erik_> bob2: I'll try that
[11:15] <bob2> RatDude2: I don't know, it should work...try commenting out the hotplug bits (all 3 lines) and see if that helps?
[11:15] <erik_> bob2: esddsp --- command not found
[11:16] <bob2> install esound-clients, iirc
[11:17] <bob2> RatDude2: the mapping, script and map lines
[11:17] <Anubis> Err http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/universe fluxbox 0.9.13~5.04ubp1
[11:17] <Anubis>   500 Internal Server Error
[11:17] <Madeye> Seveas,  I changed it to 1.0.4, restarted firefox, but same same
[11:17] <bob2> Anubis: talk to them, it's nothing to do with ubuntu itself
[11:17] <Seveas> omg, is that how backports version their packages???
[11:18] <bob2> yup
[11:18] <bob2> some are worse
[11:18] <Seveas> damn
[11:18] <Seveas> they're even more evil than i thought
[11:18] <RatDude2> i cant do anything to the file bob2
[11:18] <^^fafa_imoet^^> hii
[11:18] <bob2> RatDude2: sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[11:19] <bob2> note you're not supposed to use ~ in versions yet
[11:20] <RatDude2> how do i save it bob2? just close it?
[11:20] <bob2> and that a real debian upload system would reject it for that
[11:20] <bob2> RatDude2: I'm not sure, doesn't nano show you at the bottom what the save command is?
[11:20] <erik_> bob2: esddsp didn't do the trick. When i start Kino from a terminal and play a dv capture the programm outputs: unable to open audio device /dev/dsp
[11:20] <bob2> erik_: ok
[11:21] <Seveas> bob2, i'm sure it's not a real dupload system, but uses just dpkg-scanpackages
[11:21] <bob2> Seveas: abiword-common_2.2.1-1-warty+backportedfrom-ubuntu-hoary1_all.deb
[11:21] <bob2> yeah
[11:21] <Seveas> omg...
[11:22] <erik_> bob2: Is there anything else to try? Change /dev/dsp? disable esd?
[11:22] <bob2> killing esd will let it run
[11:22] <bob2> but nothing else can output sound
[11:23] <erik_> bob2: that's fine. Stupid question: how can I kill esd?
[11:23] <bob2> pkill esd
[11:23] <Anubis> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:23] <Anubis> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[11:23] <Anubis> no synaptic is not running
[11:24] <bob2> is apt?
[11:24] <IIIEars> bob2 - you are great! - How long have you been answering questions tonight?
[11:24] <bob2> did it crash?
[11:24] <bob2> did the machine?
[11:24] <erik_> bob2: thanks
[11:24] <bob2> IIIEars: entirely too long
[11:24] <IIIEars> Thank You.
[11:25] <IIIEars> All Distros aren't created equal.
[11:25] <matthieu_> salut
[11:25] <Seveas> salut matthieu_
[11:25] <Mosi> Hello again everyone
[11:25] <IIIEars> Hi Mosi! :)
[11:25] <matthieu_> hi
[11:26] <IIIEars> How goes it?
[11:26] <matthieu_> pas de francais
[11:26] <Seveas> Anubis, make sure no apt-get/aptitude/synaptic/update-manager is running
[11:26] <Anubis> its not
[11:26] <Seveas> matthieu_,  #ubuntu-fr
[11:26] <Anubis> I just killed aptget update
[11:26] <Mosi> I'm currently running on the Live CD, i downloaded, burned, and booted off it hoping to restore yaboot, which i wiped when i reinstalled Mac OS X a while back, can anyone tell me how to do this from the live CD?
[11:26] <matthieu_> thanks
[11:26] <Seveas> ah you killed it...
[11:27] <Anubis> backports is screwed right now
[11:27] <Seveas> Anubis, it always is
[11:27] <Anubis> I just rm the var locked file
[11:27] <IIIEars> Linux needs a translation app for IRC - most good support starts here.
[11:28] <Seveas> IIIEars, that's why there are localized channels :)
[11:28] <IIIEars> Mosi - Add "Grub" boot loader from the live CD?
[11:28] <Anubis> 99% [Connecting to backports.ubuntuforums.org (66.246.118.209)] 
[11:28] <bob2> yes, we know the forums are broken
[11:28] <bob2> no one but the forum people can fix it
[11:29] <IIIEars> localized channels sometimes don't have enough people in them to have an answer.
[11:29] <fabbione> brrrrrrr
[11:29] <bob2> email root@ubuntuforums.org or something
[11:29] <fabbione> b4ckp0rt5
[11:29] <Seveas> lol fabbione :)
[11:30] <IIIEars> Poor Mosi......
[11:30] <bob2> Mosi: open a terminal
[11:30] <Mosi> IIIEars: i don't think this will work. As i said i'm on OS X, OS X has this nightmare partition setup. I have about 12 partitions, and only two of them contain actual filesystems. I got this way from a fresh install right off the Mac OS X disk.
[11:31] <Mosi> the point is that Ubuntu is on partitin 9 i believe, obviously a logical partition, so to my understanding Grub won't boot it. I wouldn't think yaboot would either except that it did.
[11:31] <bob2> grub can't boot anything at all on ppc
[11:31] <IIIEars> Mosi - (gulp) you could nuke the entire setup with dd or dban and start over. (ducks in anticipation of a flying rock or coffee cup.)
[11:31] <Mosi> it can't? well that solves that problem
[11:31] <bob2> Mosi: you have a working ubuntu install on the hard disk, but mac os ate the boot sector?
[11:32] <bob2> Mosi: now, open a terminal in the live cd
[11:32] <Mosi> I do, bob. terminal opened.
[11:32] <yogui> hi
[11:32] <bob2> Mosi: which is your ubuntu root filesystem?
[11:33] <Mosi> I'd considered that actually IIIEars :)
[11:33] <IIIEars> (perk) Do you hear that? it sounds like the cavalry has arrived to save the fort.
[11:33] <revelater> hi all, lets say i wanted to make a copy of an hd with multiple partitions to a blank HD, how woulod i do this?
[11:33] <yogui> why, whereas my script is in etc/init.d directory, it isn't loaded on startup ?
[11:33] <IIIEars> Bob2! bob2! bob2! yay!
[11:33] <Mosi> >_< i'm not sure, it's been like a month since i could boot linux, and i can't view my partition table from Live
[11:33] <bob2> yogui: you didn't tell init to boot it, use update-rc.d
[11:33] <Seveas> yogui, since nothing from /etc/init.d is run at startup
[11:33] <bob2> Mosi: fdisk -l /dev/hda
[11:34] <bob2> Mosi: er, with sudo
[11:34] <AirWays> Where is that sources.list Hoary list?
[11:34] <revelater> ?
[11:34] <Seveas> AirWays, /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:34] <AirWays> No no in internet, that Right one
[11:34] <yogui> bob2 : so man update-rc.d ?
[11:34] <IIIEars> revelator - 1 one word "Mondo" backup tool.
[11:34] <bob2> revelater: plug both in.  dd if=/dev/disktocopy of=/dev/disktocopyto
[11:34] <bob2> revelater: be very very very careful
[11:34] <Seveas> AirWays, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[11:35] <Mosi> neat trick bob, thanks :) it's hda11
[11:35] <bob2> Mosi: ok.  now: sudo mount -t whatever /dev/hda11 /mnt
[11:35] <revelater> bob2: i know this is an ubuntu forum, but basically what i want to do is install debian on one hd, then make carbon copys of that install on as many as i need, will that do it?
[11:35] <IIIEars> bob2 - dd means saving and applying a couple of different files in seperate steps. Is that the only way?
[11:35] <bob2> Mosi: then "cat /mnt/etc/fstab" should show your old fstab
[11:36] <bob2> revelater: yes
[11:36] <bob2> IIIEars: no, it doesn't.  it directly copies from one raw disk to another, no temp files.
[11:36] <revelater> bob2: do i need to format the new disk?
[11:36] <bob2> revelater: no
[11:36] <yogui> Where can i found man page in french ? (sorry ;-) )
[11:36] <bob2> revelater: it will copy the whole disk...partition table, the contents of each partition, everything
[11:37] <rod> hi
[11:37] <bob2> revelater: make sure the target disk is as big or bigger than the source
[11:37] <rod> i have a 80 gig ntfs partition, i want to resize it with ntfsresize to 30 gig
[11:37] <revelater> bob2: sweet!!!
[11:37] <rod> i do this: root@ubuntu:/home/rod # ntfsresize -s -G 30 /dev/hda1
[11:37] <IIIEars> the mbr+the disk - add gzip for compression. - and you hope it doesn't make a huge file.
[11:37] <rod> and get: ntfsresize v1.9.4
[11:37] <revelater> bob2: and i just type that in to command line?
[11:37] <bob2> revelater: the only hitch will be that it won't be bootable
[11:37] <rod>  ERROR: Illegal new volume size
[11:37] <bob2> revelater: unless it ends up the same location (ie as hda or whatever) as the original disk was
[11:37] <revelater> bob2: how would i make it bootable?
[11:37] <Seveas> bob2, just curious: if the disk is smaller, will dd just fail at some point or are there worse things that can happen?
[11:37] <bob2> revelater: yes, make ABSOLUTELY SURE YOU GET THE NAMES RIGHT
[11:38] <bob2> Seveas: it'll just fail at some point
[11:38] <rod> Could you tell me the right ntfsresize command, please?
[11:38] <bob2> Seveas: I assume it will mostly work, but the kernel will spew if you try to access something off the end of the disk (I think)
[11:38] <IIIEars> revelator - you use the dd command to save the first 512 bytes of the disk to a file the master boot record
[11:38] <bob2> as long as you get / on the dest, I mean
[11:38] <revelater> bob2: so it will copy the table and remember itself as hdb or what not?
[11:38] <bob2> IIIEars: no, that's not the problem
[11:38] <riply> Seveas, what is "salut" ?
[11:38] <bob2> revelater: oh, no, the disk itself has no idea where it is...but grub or whatever does.
[11:39] <Mosi> bob2: okay, now what?
[11:39] <bob2> revelater: as long as it ends up as hda in the target machine, it'll be fine
[11:39] <LunatiK^Guy> hey...wot command can i use to get the linux version on my system?
[11:39] <bob2> Mosi: did you see fstab?
[11:39] <IIIEars> (sorry - going to hide in a dark corner.)
[11:39] <bob2> LunatiK^Guy: you mean the kernel? uname -r.
[11:39] <Mosi> bob2: yes i did
[11:39] <revelater> bob2: so i just have to plug it into another comp as the master drive?
[11:39] <bob2> Mosi: cool. so, now, "sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash"
[11:39] <bob2> revelater: right
[11:39] <bob2> Mosi: now you should be root in your hard disk install
[11:39] <LunatiK^Guy> yes the kernel version
[11:39] <marcel_> What is Ubuntu based on? Like, Sarge, or woody?
[11:39] <bob2> Mosi: run "yaboot -v"
[11:39] <bob2> marcel_: sid, sorta
[11:40] <Seveas> riply, it's french for hello
[11:40] <marcel_> bob2?
[11:40] <revelater> bob2: thank you for the help!
[11:40] <bob2> marcel_: it's diverged a lot
[11:40] <bob2> revelater: you're msot welcome
[11:40] <Mosi> bash: yaboot: command not found
[11:40] <marcel_> Is that *the* bob2?
[11:40] <LunatiK^Guy> thanks loads
[11:40] <Seveas> marcel_, sid
[11:40] <bob2> Mosi: hrm.
[11:40] <rod> How to resize a ntfs partition on /dev/hda1 from 80 tot 30 gig, PLEASEEEEEE
[11:40] <bob2> Mosi: ls -l /sbin/yaboot*?
[11:40] <rod> with ntfsresize
[11:40] <bob2> rod: dude, chill
[11:40] <McScruff> if im using ubuntubut have unstalled kde and using that should i be here or kbuntu?
[11:40] <bob2> rod: if someone knew, they would have said something
[11:41] <rod> bob2, sry... it's just completely driving me nuts :'/
[11:41] <Mosi> bob2: you want that ? on the end right? that's not a question?
[11:41] <Seveas> McScruff, both are fine :)
[11:41] <bob2> McScruff: #kubuntu might be more useful for you
[11:41] <bob2> Mosi: yes
[11:41] <bob2> marcel_: define *the*
[11:41] <naibed> hi
[11:41] <marcel_> bob2, bob2 from #debian?
[11:41] <Mosi> root@ubuntu:/# ls -l /sbin/yaboot*?
[11:41] <Mosi> ls: /sbin/yaboot*?: No such file or directory
[11:41] <bob2> marcel_: yes
[11:41] <marcel_> Australian bob
[11:41] <rod> bob2, i under understand the man page of ntfsresize.. it says:  -s, --size SIZE        Resize volume to SIZE[k|M|G]  bytes
[11:41] <marcel_> lol
[11:41] <bob2> Mosi: how odd.  what does "uname -a" print?
[11:41] <marcel_> ah :)
[11:41] <bob2> marcel_: the same
[11:41] <rod> *i dont understand i mean
[11:41] <raia> seems to shut down
[11:42] <raia> bingo
[11:42] <Mosi> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-powerpc #1 Tue Apr 5 12:44:32 UTC 2005 ppc GNU/Linux
[11:42] <marcel_> bob2: When did you hop? :P
[11:42] <raia> 10x bob2
[11:42] <rod> bob2, but i dont understand how to use that G option for gigabytes
[11:42] <bob2> rod: ntfsresize -s 30G /dev/blah
[11:42] <bob2> rod: it means to put it after the number
[11:42] <bob2> marcel_: I use both, started using ubuntu back in like june last year
[11:42] <raia> now
[11:42] <bob2> Mosi: hrm, maybe it's called something else, I forget
[11:42] <rod> thank thank GOD ehh i mean bob2 : )
[11:43] <Swelly> is there a laptop install option for ubuntu ?? that adds apm and all the other required things ? :)
[11:43] <rod> thanks man :)
[11:43] <bob2> Mosi: what's the output of "dpkg -L yaboot | grep bin" (in #flood)?
[11:43] <marcel_> bob2: Ah. I'm liking Ubuntu. It feels a tad cleaner.
[11:43] <Mosi> bob2: shall i just browse through /sbin?
[11:43] <Seveas> Swelly, ubuntu installs fine on laptops
[11:43] <bob2> Swelly: it does that by default if it detects you have a laptop
[11:43] <bob2> rod: you're welcome
[11:43] <Mosi> bob2: Or might it be in /usr/sbin/
[11:43] <riply> Seveas, oh cool thanks
[11:43] <bob2> Mosi: yeah, maybe, my grep will find that
[11:43] <bob2> if not, I'll have to go power up my ibook
[11:44] <bob2> marcel_: hah, yeah...I just like being able to run stable and thus actually have people care when it breaks ;)
[11:44] <Mosi> bob2: root@ubuntu:/# ls -l /usr/sbin/yaboot*?
[11:44] <Mosi> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 22587 2004-11-29 04:07 /usr/sbin/yabootconfig
[11:44] <raia> how i see if i have codecs for video?
[11:44] <chocoIate> does anybody know if hoary support hot plugging out of the box or am i supposed to do enable this myself somehow getting the proper packages / modules :o
[11:44] <Seveas> raia, by trying to play the video :)
[11:44] <bob2> Mosi: dpkg -L yaboot | grep bin
[11:44] <bob2> chocoIate: for usb devices? out of the box.
[11:44] <trondd> chocoIate: out of the box...
[11:44] <Seveas> chocoIate, it supports usb/pcmcia hotplug
[11:45] <Seveas> firewire too afaik
[11:45] <bob2> chocoIate: it's funny, actually...I bought a mp3 player, and plugged it in, and it got automounted to /media/IAUDIO right away
[11:45] <Mosi> /usr/sbin
[11:45] <Mosi> /usr/sbin/ybin
[11:45] <Mosi> /usr/sbin/yabootconfig
[11:45] <Mosi> /usr/sbin/ofpath
[11:45] <Mosi> /usr/share/man/man8/ybin.8.gz
[11:45] <Mosi> /usr/sbin/mkofboot
[11:45] <bob2> I was a little disappointed
[11:45] <Seveas> lol bob2
[11:45] <bob2> Mosi: (#flood next time).  sudo ybin -v
[11:45] <IIIEars> lol
[11:45] <|JE55E|> Hi guys. How do I get graphics resetup in ubuntu? I changed the graphics card
[11:45] <Mosi> (sorry)
[11:45] <bob2> |JE55E|: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:45] <bob2> but, I'm late for a hot dinner date
[11:45] <bob2> good luck, y'all
[11:45] <Burgundavia> bob2, how do I force a mahcine to boot into text mode, not single user
[11:46] <bob2> Burgundavia: remove gdm from a runlevel and boot into it
[11:46] <Burgundavia> bob2, ah, ok
[11:46] <IIIEars> JESSE  sudodpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:46] <bob2> Burgundavia: it's enabled in all run levels by default
[11:46] <Burgundavia> bob2, ok
[11:46] <raia> does somebody tell me how i install videocodecs?
[11:46] <bob2> raia: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:46] <Seveas> bob2, go to your dinner date for crying out loud :p
[11:46] <chocoIate> ah, well my external hard disk i had that same experience too, so i guess hot plugging is there by default. whats making me suspicious is i dont find the acm modules. I'm trying to setup my external usb modem following this guide here -->> http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;921278514;fp;512;fpid;1626109420
[11:47] <|JE55E|> thanks bob2 & IIEars, will give them a try
[11:47] <Mosi> bob2: You pointed me in the right direction, i think i can take it from here :) thanks for the help
[11:47] <philc1> I have a module in /lib/modules/2.6.10... and have copied it to /lib/modules/2.6.12... which is the kernel I'm running. However, when I modprobe it, the module is not found. What else do I need to edit so that modprobe knows the module is in the directory structure of my currently running kernel?
[11:47] <marcel_> bob2: Youre using Deb stable?
[11:47] <chocoIate> and in that article they state :
[11:47] <chocoIate> The great thing about using USB devices with Linux is that you can take advantage of the kernel's "hot plugging" ability. Hot plugging will load the appropriate module(s) upon detection of a device. If your distribution supports this, just plug in the USB modem and the ACM module will be loaded. Setting up hot plugging is beyond the scope of this article but Red Hat 7.2, Mandrake 8.1 and SuSE 7.3 all support it. If the modem lights flas
[11:47] <Seveas> philc1, ehm, that's not supposed to work
[11:47] <chocoIate> so i go in my terminal window and type lsmod
[11:47] <Seveas> you cannot use modules compiled for one kernel in another one
[11:47] <naibed> bob2, read this http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html or put "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" in your sources.list, apt-get update and apt-get install mplayer-whatever
[11:48] <chocoIate> and i dont see any acm module listed : http://pastebot.nd.edu/935
[11:48] <chocoIate> thats my output for lsmod -->> http://pastebot.nd.edu/935
[11:48] <Seveas> naibed, please do NOT advise that
[11:48] <philc1> Seveas: hmm... I'll see if I can find a binary of the module for my kernel in the repositories somewhere. Thanks
[11:48] <Seveas> marillat unstable can no longer be used since hoary is frozen
[11:48] <raia> hello
[11:49] <Mosi> bob2:i lied, i'm getting OpenFirmware errors, heh
[11:49] <philc1> Seveas: how can I tell where a binary module is going to install to? I'm using a breezy kernel, and a breezy package of the module I need, but it got put into the older kernel that ships with hoary
[11:49] <Seveas> chocoIate, try find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name *acm*
[11:49] <raia> hello
[11:49] <chocoIate> what should i do to get my acm module to load then
[11:49] <Seveas> philc1, read the topic
[11:49] <chocoIate> ok, and if tis in there i go modprobe acm :o
[11:49] <Seveas> breezy is not meant for general public
[11:50] <chocoIate> and if its not in there, what should i do :o
[11:50] <Seveas> chocoIate, try to find it ;)
[11:50] <chocoIate> is it supposed to be in there by default is what i wanna know
[11:50] <Tron|BoRG> Morning all
[11:50] <Seveas> try cdc-acm
[11:50] <philc1> Seveas: I'm trying not to use breezy, but my chipset has a critical fix that only appears in 2.6.12. That is the only package, as of yet, I'm using from breezy
[11:51] <chocoIate> Seveas : for acm support am i expected to download a package or something
[11:51] <marcel_> if I install kde applications, will they show in the Gnome menu, or do I need to install the debian menu to access these kde applications?
[11:51] <chocoIate> or is it there by default
[11:51] <chocoIate> do you have it Seveas :o
[11:51] <Seveas> philc1, using a breezy kernel on hoary is also not the stablest option but should generally work. There will be no restricted-modules for the next months
[11:51] <Mosi> bob2: http://pastebin.com/286876
[11:51] <chocoIate> do you see it under /lib/modules/`uname -r` :o
[11:51] <Seveas> chocoIate, i found the cdc-acm module
[11:51] <Riddell> marcel_: they'll show up
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> can i DD a DVD, or do i have to use some tool?
[11:52] <marcel_> ok. Well done.
[11:52] <chocoIate> unfortunately i am on winxp now and my modem is still not working. i'm trying to fix it so just to check if this is there i must reboot and load back in linux
[11:52] <Seveas> chocoIate, it's part of the linux-image package so you should have it
[11:52] <philc1> Seveas: alright. I should be able to get it going from source, right?
[11:52] <Seveas> philc1, i guess so
[11:52] <liable> chocoIate: is this still the sm56?
[11:52] <IIIEars> kamping kaiser - i am new so someone will correct me. - cdrecord or k3b
[11:52] <Shufla> hello :D
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok, need tools, thanks
[11:52] <chocoIate> i'm giving up on sm56 ; i'm gonna try to get my external usb modem to work
[11:53] <chocoIate> the stupid sm56 driver, i was able to compile it after so much hard work and guess what, it wont load the module ; says incorrect format or something
[11:53] <liable> chocoIate: the sm56, wont work at all with 2.6, so you may as well give up on it
[11:53] <Mosi> Anyone who knows ybin?
[11:53] <chocoIate> seems like the writers of that driver messed up somewhere
[11:53] <raia> hello
[11:53] <w0wie> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed
[11:53] <Seveas> chocoIate, do you have the linux-686 (intel) or linux-k7 (amd) package installed?
[11:53] <w0wie> anyone got any ideas on how i can fix my locales
[11:53] <chocoIate> says module incorrect format when i try to load it with modprobe sm56
[11:54] <chocoIate> i have linux-386
[11:54] <Seveas> w0wie, apt-get install --fix-broken locales
[11:54] <chocoIate> amd processor
[11:54] <AirWays> Okay, now I have very BIG problem
[11:54] <Seveas> chocoIate, try the -k7 version
[11:54] <chocoIate> would that help :o
[11:54] <AirWays> I'm trying to go my Home folder, and it wont open. That filenavigator wont open
[11:54] <Seveas> that could also get your sm56 to work
[11:54] <chocoIate> oh
[11:54] <Seveas> just install the linux-k7 package
[11:54] <w0wie> Seveas: i got an error doing that, The following packages have unmet dependencies:,  locales: Depends: glibc-2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13, E: Broken packages
[11:54] <chocoIate> i will try it
[11:55] <chocoIate> in the mean time can you tell me how to get acm loaded if i happen not to find it under /lib/modules/`uname -r`
[11:56] <Seveas> w0wie, have you installed another libc??
[11:56] <Seveas> from breezy or debian
[11:56] <IIIEars> chocolate - read the descriptions of each kernel carefully it's easy to pick the wrong one. (please be kind and don't ask me how i know.)
[11:56] <Seveas> chocoIate, you can't :)
[11:56] <Seveas> or you have to compile it from source
[11:56] <chocoIate> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-k7_2.6.10.5-1_i386.deb <-- i have this package
[11:56] <chocoIate> is this all i need
[11:56] <chocoIate> its k7
[11:57] <chocoIate> what about headers, would i need that too :o
[11:57] <Mosi> alright folks, i have to get up in 6 hours and put in a full day in the lab to finish homework before finals week, so i'm off to bed
[11:57] <Seveas> no, but you would need linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7
[11:57] <IIIEars> G'nite Mosi. - Good Luck!
[11:57] <chocoIate> ok i have this also : linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7_2.6.10-34_i386.deb
[11:57] <nicklax> Hello to all, anyone knows how can i install a .bin file? it's amsn-0.94-3-linux-installer.bin
[11:58] <chocoIate> but i
[11:58] <Seveas> nicklax, throw it out
[11:58] <Seveas> nicklax, and install amsn from the repositories
[11:58] <chocoIate> but i'll have to build the driver for sm56 so i guess i need to install the headers also
[11:58] <Seveas> chocoIate, good one
[11:58] <Seveas> so grab that one too :)
[11:58] <liable> chocoIate: no
[11:58] <w0wie> Seveas: yer i did from packages.ubuntu.org
[11:58] <nicklax> Seveas, you mean tar.gz file?
[11:58] <Seveas> nicklax, no
[11:58] <Seveas> nicklax, i mean with apt-get or synaptic
[11:58] <liable> chocoIate: the sm56 will *not* work on a 2.6 kernel
[11:58] <Battletux> anyone used apt-spy on ubuntu? is it worth it/
[11:58] <nicklax> ah, debian packages
[11:59] <Seveas> no, ubuntu packages :)
[11:59] <Seveas> w0wie, a breezy libc6?
[11:59] <Seveas> or a hoary libc6?
[11:59] <nicklax> :) Thanks ill give it a try
[11:59] <w0wie> Seveas: i dont know
[11:59] <w0wie> Seveas: i think hoar
[11:59] <w0wie> y
[12:00] <chocoIate> well, i'll give it a try anyway ; thanks both liable and Seveas :P
[12:00] <liable> chocoIate: one sec
[12:00] <w0wie> Seveas: have I completly screwed my locales?
[12:00] <liable> chocoIate: http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?8:msn:18563
[12:00] <Seveas> w0wie, type: dpkg -s libc6 | grep Version
[12:00] <Seveas> and paste the output
[12:01] <liable> chocoIate: had a bit of a look at it today, and the driver wont work at all on a 2.6 kernel
[12:01] <w0wie> Seveas: Version: 2.3.5-1ubuntu2
[12:01] <Seveas> that's a breezy libc
[12:02] <w0wie> Seveas: :O
[12:02] <w0wie> Seveas: so shall i uninstall it and apt-get a new libc
[12:02] <Seveas> well, it's not that easy
[12:02] <Seveas> libc is such an integral cog of your system that i doubt it will *ever* be downgradeable
[12:03] <liable> w0wie: be *very* carefull with libc6, it will make your machine completely broken
[12:03] <telemaco> daniels: ping
[12:03] <chocoIate> oh wow, that really sucks
[12:03] <chocoIate> well, i guess i'm left with trying to fix my usb modem
[12:03] <w0wie> so ive stuffed my machine :O cool
[12:03] <chocoIate> i do not find ACM module listed when i hit lsmod
[12:03] <Seveas> w0wie, your machine works, so you didn't break it
[12:03] <liable> yet
[12:03] <chocoIate> so, i guess i can try modprobe acm
[12:03] <chocoIate> but what if it wont load it or says cant find module
[12:04] <chocoIate> what should i do then :S
[12:04] <Seveas> but you can not reconfigure your locales until you do a complete upgrade to breezy (which is not advisable right now)
[12:04] <liable> chocoIate: try that one Seveas said
[12:04] <chocoIate> you think that one has acm already :o
[12:04] <chocoIate> ok thanks
[12:04] <w0wie> Seveas: oh so hoary is stable version of ubuntu
[12:04] <Seveas> w0wie, yes
[12:04] <liable> chocoIate: the module
[12:04] <Seveas> warty & hoary are stable versions
[12:04] <Seveas> breezy is unstable
[12:05] <w0wie> Seveas: why is it not advisable to switch to breezy
[12:05] <Battletux> how long till breezy get to RC?
[12:05] <Seveas> breezy is unstable <--
[12:05] <Burgundavia> Battletux, a very long while, sometime in Aug. or Sep.
[12:05] <Seveas> Battletux, the first RC will be released in september
[12:05] <Battletux> cool
[12:05] <w0wie> Seveas: so i gotta put up with locales going crazy in the meantime?
[12:05] <Seveas> There will be colony CDs before that, they are relatively stable
[12:06] <Burgundavia> w0wie, you having an issue with locales?
[12:06] <IIIEars> "Colony" - new term
[12:06] <Seveas> Burgundavia, he installed libc6 from breezy and cannot reconfigure locales now since it Depends: on libc6 from hoary
[12:06] <Burgundavia> Seveas, ah
[12:06] <verden01> Colony is the new breezy release?
[12:06] <Burgundavia> Seveas, that was foolish
[12:06] <Seveas> Burgundavia, indeed :)
[12:06] <Seveas> verden01, no
[12:07] <verden01> k
[12:07] <Seveas> Colony cd's are milestone cd's that show progress of Ubuntu development
[12:07] <IIIEars> Beta tester edition? - for those with masochistic tendencies?
[12:07] <verden01> does anyone have the backports repositories working?
[12:07] <Seveas> verden01, do NOT use backports
[12:07] <Seveas> they tend to break things
[12:08] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, I am running breezy, but I haven't shut my machine down in 3 days due to the X bug
[12:08] <verden01> too unstable?
[12:08] <marcel_> when upgrading ubuntu, is it possible to use apt-get, or do you need to use the CD?
[12:08] <IIIEars> Burgundavia - We must be related. I love suspense too. - lol
[12:09] <firasR> Hi all
[12:09] <verden01> apt-get
[12:09] <Burgundavia> marcel_, apt-get
[12:09] <marcel_> nice
[12:10] <verden01> Seveas, whats wrong with the backports repository?
[12:10] <w0wie> hmm i mite switch to unstable watch mu system crash then reinstall hoary
[12:10] <firasR> anyone know how to disable the drum sounds whenever u click or select anything without disabling all "Sounds for events" ?
[12:10] <IIIEars> << - the last living gecko on my disk. was rased tonight.
[12:10] <Seveas>   verden01 what not...
[12:11] <firasR> i've tried removing the individual sounds for each event under "User Interface Events" but it doesn't help ?!
[12:11] <verden01> oh  :)
[12:12] <haydenTNG> hey verden01
[12:13] <verden01> hey haydenTNG
[12:13] <verden01> haydenTNG, hows xfce4 going?
[12:14] <haydenTNG> verden01: yea pretty good, i didnt like the xdm that it came with so installed gdm and am using that to login with
[12:14] <verden01> cool
[12:14] <haydenTNG> verden01: i'm having troubles trying to get an ftp server setup correctly though :(
[12:14] <verden01> oh
[12:15] <verden01> probably can't help you there
[12:15] <haydenTNG> yea
[12:17] <rod> how to make a website think im using mozilla instead of firefox?
[12:17] <rod> http://www.vaya.nl/ just click on the left picture then
[12:17] <rod> redicoulus
[12:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> rod, use the user agent switcher
[12:18] <rod> is that a extension Kamping_Kaiser ?
[12:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> rod. yes, you can get it from the extentions site
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> its called "user agent switcher"
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure what it calls itself as, but its there
[12:20] <haydenTNG> verden01: do u use linux as a server or just desktop?
[12:21] <Tron|BoRG> Can you create a folder in the / directory?
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> as root
[12:21] <Tron|BoRG> ah
[12:21] <Tron|BoRG> is there a command for it?
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> mkdir
[12:21] <linukso> Tron|BoRG: sudo mkdir
[12:21] <Tron|BoRG> thanks :D
[12:21] <AirWays> http://koti.mbnet.fi/airways/muuta/paste/quote.php?id=1138541825428dba3a1acf2 <-- Why that doesnt work?
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo mkdir /folder
[12:21] <verden01> haydenTNG, i have an old Celeron box that i have IPcop installed on and use it as a Gateway/firewall
[12:22] <haydenTNG> ok
[12:22] <verden01> my ubuntu box is just for desktop use
[12:22] <haydenTNG> yep
[12:23] <haydenTNG> im using it as a web server/unix box to compile c/java programs
[12:23] <verden01> cool
[12:24] <underdog> morning everyone
[12:24] <nicklax> morning
[12:24] <cusco> hi
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[12:24] <underdog> does anybody have a fix for the current X (can't find the 'fixed' font) problem?
[12:24] <Seveas> yes
[12:24] <verden01> good evening underdog
[12:24] <Seveas> don't use breezy :)
[12:24] <underdog> Seveas: eheh
[12:25] <underdog> but really... any ideas?
[12:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> force it?
[12:25] <underdog> Kamping_Kaiser: what do you mean, force it?
[12:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get -f install package
[12:26] <underdog> xfonts-base, I presum
[12:26] <verden01> is breezy very stable atm?
[12:26] <Seveas> verden01, no
[12:26] <Seveas> very UNstable
[12:26] <underdog> verden01: as you can see... no :P
[12:26] <underdog> every update is an adventure to the unknown :)
[12:26] <verden01> :)   i'll stick with hoary for the time being then
[12:27] <haydenTNG> its only ~ a month old remember
[12:27] <verden01> :)
[12:27] <verden01> i know
[12:27] <svenl> hehe.
[12:27] <verden01> but when i've run other debian based systems i've always used unstable
[12:27] <svenl> so, i am not the only one hit by the X bug.
[12:28] <verden01> whats the X bug?
[12:28] <enlightX> Hi *, with the latest upgrade on Breezy, when I try to open a OOo men, the program crashes. It's only a mine problem?
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> don't use breezy.
[12:28] <underdog> svenl: have you had a fix yet?
[12:28] <enlightX> HrdwrBoB: tnx :)
[12:28] <haydenTNG> people just can't read eh
[12:29] <enlightX> HrdwrBoB: if it's a common problem, I coult try to help developers
[12:29] <Drako60> how can i test to see if i have a firewall running on my system, from what i can tell i don't but its unclear
[12:29] <svenl> underdog: currently investigating.
[12:30] <underdog> svenl, i think i have the sollution
[12:30] <underdog> :P
[12:31] <Seveas> Drako60, all linux systems come with a firewalling solution. It's built into the kernel.
[12:31] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to mount Nokia Phone via USB datacable QUICK plz!
[12:31] <Seveas> But ubuntu by default has nofirewall configuration enabled
[12:32] <Drako60> hmm
[12:33] <nikolaus> how can i enable then ubuntu's firewall
[12:34] <svenl> eundwhat is the solution ?
[12:34] <liable> nikolaus: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/firewall
[12:34] <Seveas> nikolaus, by creating rules for it or by installing the firestarter package
[12:40] <Drako60> something is odd, bceause i can receive files via IRC but not via BT
[12:41] <svenl> underdog: so how did you solve this ?
[12:44] <waxhead> hey everyone
[12:44] <Seveas> hi
[12:44] <waxhead> hey Seveas hows things?
[12:45] <waxhead> just saw the news that breezy is out... and remembered I hadn't been in the channel for some time
[12:45] <Seveas> breezy has been out a few weeks already
[12:45] <Seveas> but it's VERY unstable
[12:45] <Burgundavia> breezy is mostly broken right now
[12:46] <Burgundavia> you could call it stilly, for lack of motion
[12:46] <we2by> I know litle things about christian, Catholics and adventists
[12:46] <enlightX> is there a bugtracker for breexy?
[12:46] <we2by> I just don't like them
[12:46] <Seveas> enlightX, bugzilla.ubuntu.com :)
[12:46] <roadgo> hi,all
[12:46] <Burgundavia> enlightX, same as hoary, bugzilla for main, malone for universe
[12:47] <enlightX> SEBest: obviously :)
[12:48] <roadgo> why  can i install  sarge    on   other harddisk  from ubuntu
[12:49] <Seveas> roadgo, why shouldn't you be able to..?
[12:50] <roadgo> i in ubuntu,i install the sarge  in other  harddisk
[12:50] <Choubaka> Seveas: I think he means "how"
[12:51] <roadgo> what i do
[12:51] <whoiam55> Hi all, anyone good with squid ?
[12:51] <Choubaka> where are you from, roadgo?
[12:51] <Seveas> roadgo, it is clear english is not your native language and quite frankly, i don't understand what you say. Try to find a localized channel
[12:51] <Choubaka> Hehe, yeah.
[12:52] <roadgo> china
[12:52] <Choubaka> hmm.
[12:52] <Seveas> roadgo, try #ubuntu-zh
[12:53] <roadgo>  debootstrap sarge /mnt/debian ftp://debian.linux.org.tw/debian/
[12:53] <roadgo> can't  work
[12:53] <Choubaka> hmm
[12:54] <whoiam55> Hello? anyone good with squid ?
[12:55] <Choubaka> whoiam55: just ask.
[12:55] <roadgo> qwer@road:~$ sudo  debootstrap sarge /mnt/debian ftp://debian.linux.org.tw/debian/
[12:55] <roadgo> Password:
[12:55] <roadgo> sudo: debootstrap: command not found
[12:55] <roadgo> qwer@road:~$ sudo apt-get install  debootstrap
[12:55] <roadgo> Reading package lists... Done
[12:55] <roadgo> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:55] <roadgo> Package debootstrap is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:55] <roadgo> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:55] <roadgo> is only available from another source
[12:55] <whoiam55> I want a realtime monitoring tools for squid
[12:55] <roadgo> E: Package debootstrap has no installation candidate
[12:55] <roadgo> qwer@road:~$
[12:55] <Choubaka> roadgo: hm
[12:55] <roadgo> yes
[12:55] <whoiam55> roadgo add some more repository to your /etc/apt/source.list file
[12:56] <Choubaka> add universe to your repositories.
[12:56] <Choubaka> yes.
[12:56] <whoiam55> or try apt-setup
[12:56] <Choubaka> sources.list though
[12:56] <Seveas> Choubaka, debootstrap is in main
[12:56] <Choubaka> Seveas: it is?
[12:56] <REBELinBLUE> hey
[12:56] <Choubaka> oh, of course.
[12:56] <Choubaka> duh
[12:56] <Choubaka> :P
[12:56] <Seveas> roadgo, make sure all repositories mentioned in pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38 are in your sources.list
[12:56] <REBELinBLUE> does anyone know when backports will be working again?
[12:57] <Seveas> REBELinBLUE, backports have never worked
[12:57] <Seveas> they only resembled working
[12:57] <REBELinBLUE> handy ;)
[12:57] <whoiam55> Choubaka, do you know any tool for my problem ?
[12:57] <REBELinBLUE> seriously though, I get ISE 500 when downloading a package from there, there is a thread on the forum acknowledging it but it was started like 2 weeks ago
[12:58] <Choubaka> whoiam55: no :/
[12:58] <whoiam55> :(
[12:58] <Choubaka> tried google?
[12:58] <kvidell> REBELinBLUE: That just means no one's made any donations large enough to help with the bandwidth then, I guess.
[12:58] <Choubaka> or apt-cache search?
[12:58] <Seveas> REBELinBLUE, so the server is malfunctioning now
[12:58] <REBELinBLUE> i see
[12:59] <whoiam55> I tried, I got to know a program to monitor my incomming/outgoing acccess
[12:59] <Sherman> Hi!
[12:59] <whoiam55> but I'm not able to install it
[12:59] <whoiam55> name is Watchdog
[12:59] <kvidell> That was the main issue last I heard. Ubuntu-Geek was paying for the BackPorts bandwidth and the Ubuntuforums bandwidth out of pocket and it became a little bit expensive, so he set a throttle on backports.
[12:59] <Seveas> whoiam55, try bwm
[12:59] <Sherman> I have a question - whats the minimum system requirements for Ubuntu 5.04? :P
[12:59] <whoiam55> Seveas lemme check
[12:59] <Seveas> Sherman, depends on which GUI you want
[12:59] <Sherman> soz... ubuntu server :P
[01:00] <whoiam55> Sherman, I'm running it on cel/700/128mb
[01:00] <REBELinBLUE> ah right I see
[01:00] <Seveas> for a server without GUI, you don't need that much :)
[01:00] <Sherman> Well im running it fine on a celery 600Mhz Acer laptop.... but i was thinking on something with only 32MB :S
[01:00] <Seveas> 32MB is a bit too little i think
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> sherman. the install wants 64
[01:01] <morris> sherman, i am running ubuntu on a amd 650 desktop.. runs ok on that too nicely.. did u expect it to be so nice?
[01:01] <Sherman> yer i tried and it failed, so i was wondering what would be the minimum id need
[01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> if its just for a server i think a p1 200MHz wuold be fine
[01:01] <Drako60> i know someone running debian sarge on a 486 with 16MBs ram as a server
[01:01] <Sherman> morris, nah i was just wondering if it could be done on 32mb :P thats cool  everyone! Thanks!
[01:02] <morris> hehe
[01:02] <Sherman> :D nothing wrong with a meaty 486
[01:02] <whoiam55> Seveas, bwm is good, but what I want is "I want to monitor what my users are browsing"
[01:02] <Seveas> whoiam55, ah
[01:02] <Seveas> you mean for apache
[01:03] <whoiam55> no, I want it for squid
[01:03] <Drako60> yeah he works that 486 too, all his webbrowsing, BT, webserver, and router
[01:03] <InitMass> often when i click on a download link or right click on eg a flash application Firefox crashes. anyone else having the same problem???
[01:03] <Sherman> lol!
[01:03] <Sherman> InitMass, nope
[01:04] <Seveas> whoiam55, squidview maybe?
[01:04] <kvidell> InitMass: Only had that problem with firefox on a mac so far.
[01:04] <whoiam55> thanx, lemme check it too :p
[01:04] <roadgo> Seveasthink you
[01:04] <roadgo> whoiam55 :think you
[01:05] <roadgo> Choubaka:think you
[01:05] <InitMass> kvidell, could you solve it?
[01:05] <kvidell> we installed adblock and updated the swf player :-\
[01:05] <whoiam55> readgo, I believe you mean "Thank you" :D
[01:05] <kvidell> just made sure to nail all the major swf adservers.
[01:06] <Shufla> hello :D
[01:06] <Seveas> kvidell, http://*.swf as adblock pattern works too :)
[01:06] <kvidell> hehe, yes... but then I can't fulfil my weekly idiot-humour quota with dickcream.com
[01:06] <Shufla> i've got powernow-k8. well, my proc is running 1GHz [state P2]  . how to set up it to 2GHz[state P0] ?
[01:06] <Seveas> or http://ad.*.swf and ads.*.swf
[01:07] <Shufla> /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/performance
[01:07] <InitMass> Seveas, kvidell, but the browser crash even when no flash app is running
[01:07] <InitMass> Seveas, kvidell, when clicking on a download link
[01:07] <underdog> I solved the Xorg problem
[01:08] <underdog> svenl: want the fix?
[01:10] <whoiam55> Seaveas, squidview is I think a squid log viewer ? what I want is realtime monitoring, I mean I want to see the traffice of users connecting to squid
[01:10] <whoiam55> *Seveas
[01:10] <whoiam55> ok forget it
[01:10] <whoiam55> :)
[01:11] <svenl> underdog: i fixed it already.
[01:11] <svenl> changed font path to what xfonts-base uses.
[01:12] <Shufla> ok, got it :d
[01:12] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to mount my phone via USB datacable??
[01:12] <Hoxzer> plz
[01:12] <Hoxzer> quicly
[01:12] <wdh> Hoxzer, be patient
[01:12] <wdh> Hoxzer, i'll look into it in another 10 minutes
[01:12] <Hoxzer> I have to go to airplane in 1h
[01:12] <wdh> :P
[01:13] <wdh> Hoxzer, you could try mounting /dev/sda or /dev/sda1
[01:13] <iluciv> why would I be getting this?? E: /cdrom//pool/main/g/gnome-applets/gnome-applets-data_2.10.1-0ubuntu2_all.deb:  short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/share/gnome/help/battstat/uk/figures/battstat-preferences.png')
[01:14] <iluciv> have a broken package 'gnome-applets-data and can't seem to fix it
[01:14] <kvidell> Hoxzer: attach the phone, type "hotplug", then type dmesg and see if it sees the phone. If it does, figure out from dmesg what dev entry the phone is and try mounting it to /mnt
[01:15] <kvidell> that's how I get pesky jumpdrives to work, anyway
[01:17] <iluciv> any ideas??
[01:17] <jpfarias> hey people
[01:17] <jpfarias> why does ubuntu-desktop depends on mozilla-firefox?
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> its part of the default install
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> its *the* browser
[01:18] <jango6> slt
[01:18] <jango6> hello all
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[01:18] <jango6> i hav a problem
[01:18] <jango6> :'(
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[01:18] <jpfarias> Kamping_Kaiser: but if I have mozilla installed also, that should not be a dependency, right?
[01:18] <jango6> i just finidh to instal ubuntu
[01:19] <jango6> but i dont find my music
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> mozilla browser? i dont think it is
[01:19] <iveqy> hi, can anyone tell me how to change the resolution of the terminal, in ubuntu?
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6 wher was it?
[01:19] <jango6> now
[01:19] <jango6> euh
[01:19] <jango6> in my
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> iveqy, xterm, gnome-terminal?
[01:19] <jpfarias> Kamping_Kaiser, well, my problem is that I am a developer and I need to use gtkmozembed
[01:19] <zyga> does near 90% IOWAIT status in top indicate a problem?
[01:19] <jango6> (i dont know to say it in english!)
[01:19] <iveqy> Kamping_Kaiser no, not in X
[01:20] <jango6> boot
[01:20] <jango6> no
[01:20] <jango6> hum
[01:20] <zyga> I'm experiencing some very bad nfs performance
[01:20] <jpfarias> Kamping_Kaiser: and the default install of mozilla-firefox is missing some components
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[01:20] <iveqy> Kamping_Kaiser in the terminal I have before even starting X
[01:20] <jango6> i hav xp
[01:20] <jango6> in this machine
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> iveqy, not sure.
[01:20] <jpfarias> Kamping_Kaiser: those components are available on the mozilla package
[01:20] <jango6> and music were in
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango ok
[01:20] <jango6> so*?
[01:20] <iveqy> Kamping_Kaiser ok, thank you anyway
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry :S
[01:20] <jango6> arf
[01:21] <liable> iveqy: vga=xxx to your kernel line
[01:21] <jango6> :(
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6, so its on an ntfs partition?
[01:21] <jango6> yes
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> where on the drive (which partition)
[01:21] <iveqy> liable thx :) like: vga=1024*786   ?
[01:21] <jango6> all my media are in a partition
[01:21] <jango6> hum e: i think
[01:21] <liable> iveqy: nup, one sec
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6. i use the same setup :D
[01:21] <iveqy> liable ok...
[01:21] <jango6> ^
[01:21] <jango6> ^ ^
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> iveqy what about .bashrc?
[01:22] <jango6> how to get my musik?
[01:22] <riply> liable, like vga=792
[01:22] <jango6> i can"t?
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6 what partition is it on?
[01:22] <riply> ups , iveqy like vga=792
[01:23] <iluciv> gnome-applets and gnome-applets-data how important are these packages
[01:23] <jango6> IN THE E:
[01:23] <iveqy> Kamping_Kaiser that's just for non-login shells
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[01:23] <linukso> iluciv: as important as if you want applets, you need them...
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6. was D: the cdrom?
[01:24] <jango6> no
[01:24] <jango6> i do a lot of partition
[01:24] <urb85> hi all
[01:24] <jango6> 5 i thnik
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6. "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hd2 /mnt" try that
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi urb85
[01:24] <jango6> ok thk
[01:24] <jango6> i'm french and only 16
[01:24] <jango6> years
[01:24] <liable> riply: try vga=791
[01:24] <jango6> :s
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6 i had 12
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:24] <jango6> 12!!!
[01:24] <jango6> ^
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> all good :) sweet
[01:24] <jango6> where i type that?
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> in a terminal.
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> applications -> system tools -> terminal
[01:25] <jango6> ok thks
[01:25] <iveqy> liable vga=791 ?
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6. if you want you can IM me direct, or you can ask here :)
[01:25] <iluciv> linukso: I've just doen a fresh install and this package is broken?? have used  this cd on other computers though so I don't understand why its brioken on this install (or how to fix it!!)
[01:25] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to mount my phone trought USB cable?
[01:26] <linukso> iluciv: try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[01:26] <iveqy> riply in what file?
[01:26] <jango6> and?
[01:26] <jango6> thk kamping_Kaiser
[01:26] <jango6> but
[01:27] <jango6> they ask me a password
[01:27] <urb85> Kamping_Kaiser, hi :)
[01:27] <liable> iveqy: in /boot/grub/menu.lst, append to kernel line
[01:27] <jango6> ?
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> haxzer. type "hotplug; dmesg |grep usb"
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6 its your password
[01:27] <jango6> of XP or utunbu
[01:27] <jango6> ?
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubuntu
[01:27] <linukso> Hoxzer: have you tried gsm-utils
[01:28] <jango6> and when i enter the password
[01:28] <jango6> there is nothing
[01:28] <jango6> !
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> good :)
[01:28] <Hoxzer> Linukso:its UMTS G3 phone
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> now type "sudo ls /mnt/"
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> you should see your files
[01:28] <iluciv> linukso:You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[01:28] <iluciv> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:28] <iluciv>   gnome-applets: Depends: gnome-applets-data (= 2.10.1-0ubuntu2) but it is not installed
[01:28] <iluciv> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[01:29] <jango6> nothing
[01:29] <iveqy> liable ok.. be back :)
[01:29] <linukso> Hoxzer: then I dont know...
[01:29] <jango6> i try with an other than ntfs
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6. type "sudo -s"
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[01:30] <jango6> root@mandalor
[01:30] <linukso> Hoxzer: If you just want to copy stuff to it, and it doesn't show up as a mass-storage-device, then I can't help you....
[01:30] <riply> liable, what if iveqy doesn't have compiled into kernel console framebuffer and virtual framebuffer .. ?
[01:30] <jango6> they say to me
[01:30] <jango6> root@mandalor:...
[01:30] <Tron|BoRG> Is there a way to open folders in the same window??
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[01:30] <liable> riply: standard kernel does, me thinks
[01:30] <jango6> sorry all but i dont understand english a lot
[01:31] <liable> riply: not console framebuffer, just framebuffer
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6 type "ls /dev/hda <tab> <tab>"
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats ok mate. i can try and make it easy :)
[01:31] <riply> liable, same thing :)
[01:31] <brdweb> how would i go about automounting a partition on a serial ata drive that doesn't load until after the automount sequence?
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> brdweb. theres somthing about that on fhte forums
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have to go find it :S
[01:32] <jango6> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `<'
[01:32] <liable> riply: we'll see in about another 30 secs :)
[01:32] <jango6> they say that to me : V
[01:32] <jango6> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `<'
[01:32] <brdweb> Kaiser: thanks, i'll search some more....
[01:32] <riply> liable, :)
[01:32] <jpfarias> Kamping_Kaiser: I think ubuntu-desktop dependency should be (mozilla-firefox || mozilla)
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6, when i say <tab> you press the tab key :) just above caps lock
[01:32] <jango6> lol ok
[01:32] <jpfarias> Kamping_Kaiser: the same for most packages depending on mozilla-firefox
[01:32] <jango6> srry^
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> jpfarias. im not sure.
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.then jp
[01:33] <jango6> ok
[01:33] <jango6> now
[01:33] <jango6> i hav list
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you message it to me?
[01:33] <jango6> all?K???????,,
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes. but privately
[01:33] <riply> how can i check for the CPU temp ? i do have ACPI installed but i don't know where to look , in /proc/acpi doesn't show
[01:33] <jango6> ok
[01:35] <wdh> riply, lm-sensors iirc
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6. try this instead "ls /dev/ |grep hd"
[01:35] <jango6> ok
[01:36] <linukso> riply: shure you've got acpi?
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6. i asked to send me the list privatly or you would have been kicked from the channel :)
[01:36] <riply> linukso, yep
[01:36] <jango6> i do!
[01:36] <linukso> riply: but no /proc/acpi ?
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you message me that list?
[01:37] <riply> linukso, no no i do have /proc/acpi , just didn't know where to find it
[01:37] <Xgates> is this sound info still accurate ---> http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly in this SECTION --> How to configure sound to work properly in GNOME?, making the /etc/asound.conf on #8
[01:37] <Xgates> hmm
[01:37] <linukso> riply: ah, hehe
[01:37] <linukso> riply: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/
[01:37] <Tron|BoRG> does anyone find gnome not working after you install the updates?
[01:37] <liable> riply: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature
[01:37] <linukso> riply: I read "/proc/acpi doesn't show" ....
[01:37] <Xgates> because over at alsa they show you use for your card its module name as a replacement for --> pcm.card0 {
[01:38] <Xgates> it seems like sound runs just fine withouth  /etc/asound.conf
[01:38] <iluciv> can I grab the package 'gnome-applets-data' form some-other repository other than the cdrom??
[01:38] <Xgates> anyone know?
[01:38] <hor> When i wake my pc up from a suspend, the device /dev/dsp doesn't exist anymore
[01:38] <riply> linukso, sorry
[01:38] <riply> liable, k
[01:39] <iluciv> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:39] <iluciv>  /cdrom//pool/main/g/gnome-applets/gnome-applets-data_2.10.1-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[01:39] <iluciv> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> does anyone know whats the deal with Ubuntu 5.04 "Developement edition"?
[01:40] <riply> wdh, thanks , i think i'll go to xsensors
[01:41] <Hoxzer^^> what is good softaware for changing Mp3's bitrate?
[01:41] <Despair> Hoxzer^^: there really isn't any. transcoding worsens quality.
[01:43] <sysLink> Hey anyone know of any apps that are similar to 3D Desktop?
[01:44] <sysLink> (allows for a cool 3d effect when selecting one of the virtual desktops
[01:44] <katzor> afaik its the only one that does this
[01:44] <katzor> whats wrong with it?
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> syslink. looked at freedesktop.org?
[01:45] <sysLink> katzor:: it uses a little to much of my laptops resources :(
[01:45] <sysLink> Kamping_Kaiser:: no but Ill go check it out
[01:46] <brdweb> syslink: how about kompose?
[01:46] <Hoxzer^^> How I can change the fucking mp3 bitrate to lower?
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> i forget which are the good ones, but theres a few there iirc
[01:46] <sysLink> katzor:: my xvid stuff wont play smoothly if 3ddesk is running :(
[01:46] <Hoxzer^^> so software now!
[01:46] <katzor> does anyone know how to load the gtk theme (instead of the grey-sucky default) without running gnome-theme-manager?
[01:46] <brdweb> syslink: it's not 3D, but it provieds a nice interface
[01:46] <linukso> Hoxzer^^: try lame
[01:46] <sysLink> brdweb:: Ill check out kompose now too
[01:46] <katzor> using enlightenment
[01:47] <Do-It-Now> hi all
[01:47] <linukso> Hoxzer^^: see man lame -> --mp3input
[01:49] <katzor> does anyone know how to load the gtk theme (instead of the grey-sucky default) without running gnome-theme-manager? ...sorry for repeat
[01:49] <linukso> katzor: think you can run gnome-settings-daemon
[01:50] <katzor> ill try
[01:50] <katzor> *try
[01:50] <katzor> it works!
[01:50] <katzor> thanks
[01:50] <linukso> katzor: great!
[01:50] <katzor> cu
[01:50] <wdh> Hoxzer^^, were you the one trying to mount a phone through usb?
[01:51] <sysLink> brdweb:: so is kompose just a more powerfull Alt-Tab type thing?
[01:52] <yahalom> anyway gnome would work on celeron 500 mhz 65 mb ram?
[01:52] <wdh> sysLink, more or less
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, execpt for the ram
[01:53] <sysLink> crap... i just run it in terminal...
[01:53] <wdh> sysLink, think expos on mac OSX
[01:54] <brdweb> sysLink: basically yes... wdh has it right, it's like expose but with access to your virtual desktops too
[01:54] <Kevin> i need to know how i can make XMMS my default mp3 media player in ubunut
[01:55] <jango6> ya des francais ici?
[01:55] <wdh> jango6: /join #ubuntu-fr
[01:57] <jango6> ok
[01:57] <jango6> thks
[01:58] <linukso> Kevin: right-click on an mp3-file, select properties, in the tab "Open with" you can select the default app.
[01:59] <Kevin> ok thanks
[02:00] <jango6> and
[02:00] <jango6> save as
[02:00] <kestas> is there a good gtk alternative to compose?
[02:00] <kestas> is there a good gtk alternative to *kompose?
[02:00] <Sir> can anyone tell me what's ubuntu 5.04 su password . when I installed it i dident create a password because ubuntu install didn't aske me that.
[02:00] <kestas> I tried skippy but it was buggy as hell
[02:00] <kestas> Sir: sudo sh
[02:00] <linukso> Sir: sudo passwd root
[02:01] <jango6> bye all
[02:01] <omV0> is there a way to increase the power of Evolution's junk filters? I used to use Thunderbird and it filtered 99% of junk, but now that I use Evolution the junk doesn't stop pouring in
[02:01] <Sir> thanx
[02:02] <mjr> kestas, I don't know if it's any good but I seem to recall something about Expocity
[02:02] <kestas> mjr do you know what the key code is for expocity? I compiled and ran it but there was absolutely no documentation
[02:02] <kestas> mjr I mean the key code to run the expose like feature
[02:03] <mjr> no idea
[02:03] <kestas> s
[02:03] <kestas> k
[02:03] <Kevin> any one know a Nero like burning software for ubunutu
[02:03] <Riddell> Kevin: k3b
[02:03] <mjr> well
[02:03] <mjr> there's Nero
[02:03] <Choubaka> Nerolike?
[02:03] <screamz> thaugt there is a nero for linux
[02:03] <Choubaka> Nero, yes :P
[02:03] <mjr> and then there's gcombust and friends
[02:03] <screamz> and k3b looks like nero :D
[02:03] <Kevin> well i don't even know how to burna  cd on ubunutu i don't see any burning tools in the application window
[02:03] <wdh> does anyone have any idea whether the unichrome drivers will be included into ubuntu any time soon? (breezy maybe?)
[02:04] <Kevin> k3b is for gnome also?
[02:04] <Choubaka> nah
[02:04] <hhurtta> screamz: there IS nero for linux...
[02:04] <Choubaka> k3b is QT
[02:04] <Kevin> i need something for the default ubunutu desktop system, I think it's gnome
[02:04] <wdh> Kevin, but it does work quite nice.. it needs the qt libraries though.. so uses much memory
[02:05] <Kevin> ohh
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnomebaker
[02:05] <Kevin> gnomebaker a bunring tool?
[02:05] <wdh> Kevin, yep.. or graveman
[02:05] <Kevin> ok i'll check them
[02:05] <Kevin> on synaptic
[02:08] <haydenTNG> does anyone know how to configure vsftpd and can write a basic conf file for me?
[02:09] <Blissex> haydenTNG: consider reading http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[02:09] <morris> vsftpd is easy to install
[02:09] <morris> very sexy too
[02:10] <Blissex> haydenTNG: and a basic config gile usually comes with the 'vsftpd' package.
[02:11] <haydenTNG> i'll take that as a no
[02:11] <Blissex> haydenTNG: try 'locate vsftpd.conf' for a good time :-)
[02:11] <wdh> haydenTNG, just try :)
[02:12] <Blissex> haydenTNG: you have just asked something like ''anybody here who wants to be my personal bitch?'' that does often get a good response.
[02:12] <Blissex> haydenTNG: you have just asked something like ''anybody here who wants to be my personal bitch?'' that does [NOT]  often get a good response.
[02:13] <wdh> haydenTNG, writing configs for you isnt going to help you permanently :) so if we let you figure it out by yourself, you wont be needing help the next time :)
[02:14] <morris> i hope the TNG doesnt stand for "the next generation"
[02:14] <morris> eheh
[02:14] <haydenTNG> no
[02:15] <morris> just kidding
[02:15] <othernoob> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=325320 anyone an idea ?
[02:15] <morris> im up to my eyes in stress, just letting off some some steam ;)
[02:15] <kestas> haydenTNG: I have a vsftpd.conf file
[02:16] <haydenTNG> dw kestas
[02:17] <kestas> k
[02:17] <desti> all ubuntu torrent trackers are down again? :-/
[02:18] <XhyldazhK> hi... where can i submit packages?
[02:19] <RedGreenBlue> is there a graphical utility for setting up a screwy keyboard?
[02:26] <saloxin> hello all, I'm having cupsys issues. When I add a new printer the dialog box freezes, and my cups/error_log says: E [20/May/2005:06:34:44 +0200]  AddCert: Unable to create certificate file /etc/cups/certs/0 - Permission denied . ls as root on that file also gives permission denied :-(
[02:27] <whyameye> network issues: I have the host set to ZT1260 but my wireless router says the host for my IP is (null)
[02:27] <whyameye> also, how do I find out my current IP address?
[02:27] <liable> whyameye: ifconfig
[02:27] <saloxin> whyameye: /sbin/ifconfig
[02:28] <whyameye> liable and saloxin: thanks, ifconfig works.
[02:30] <whyameye> so where can I set the host name for my router to find? I don't know the terminology on Linux but on WinXP it is the name of my computer.
[02:31] <liable> whyameye: using dhcp?
[02:33] <whyameye> liable: dhcp assigns an IP address. I want my home network to have a name associated with this address.
[02:33] <liable> whyameye: /etc/dhpg*.conf, set it inthere
[02:33] <liable> *dhcp
[02:35] <whyameye> liable: there's no file currently there by that name.
[02:36] <liable> whyameye: sudo dpkg -l dhcp*
[02:37] <liable> whyameye: there will be some sort of dhcp.conf file in there, depending on the client
[02:39] <whyameye> liable: thanks. It seems to be called /dhcp3/dhclient.conf on my system. I'll give it a shot...
[02:39] <Shadowkid> Hello
[02:40] <Tron|BoRG> hi all!
[02:41] <whyameye> liable: thanks! That worked!
[02:41] <liable> whyameye: np :)
[02:41] <Shadowkid> Does a Quicktime-plugin exist for Linux ?
[02:42] <burgermann> Say the login manager doesn't work, is there any way to get a console before starting X?
[02:42] <liable> burgermann: alt-ctrl-f1 after it starts will still work
[02:43] <liable> Shadowkid: yes, quicktime-utils?
[02:43] <burgermann> yeh, just got one tiny problem.... by keyboard doesn't work when X starts :S
[02:43] <Shadowkid> yeah
[02:44] <burgermann> I need the console before X appears...
[02:45] <kestas> how are you going to use a console to make your keyboard work?
[02:45] <Shadowkid> And is it necessary to use RealPlayer for ram-FIles?
[02:45] <liable> burgermann: boot into rescue mode
[02:46] <burgermann> Ye. did that.. no differnce =(
[02:47] <jango6> ya des francais?
[02:47] <jango6> what is the french room
[02:47] <jango6> ?
[02:48] <liable> jansen: #ubuntu-fr?
[02:49] <Tron|BoRG> who knows how to hide a directory?
[02:49] <morris> in some situations u can do
[02:49] <morris> mkdir .directory
[02:49] <morris> the . makes it not seeable when normaly doing ls
[02:49] <Tron|BoRG> oh
[02:49] <Tron|BoRG> :D
[02:49] <Tron|BoRG> i'll try that
[02:49] <morris> but.. it also means
[02:49] <haydenTNG> i'm still having troubles configuring vsftpd, im trying to create a virtual user, i followed this http://www.debiansec.com/linux/services/ftp.html, but can't figure out why its not going
[02:49] <morris> the directory is called .directory ;)
[02:50] <Tron|BoRG> hmm
[02:51] <DaBlade> Hello
[02:51] <Tron|BoRG> I made a Ext3 partition, and I want to put all my data on there, but theres a load of other folders being a nusance. I dont really want to see them
[02:51] <DaBlade> Recently I've been experiencing random freezeups, usually (but not always) during screensaver mode
[02:51] <k> is the hoary archive updated frequently (security holes etc..), for example as by debian?
[02:52] <DaBlade> Can anyone help me stop them from happening? I'm running Kubuntu Horay.
[02:52] <crimsun_> k: hoary-security is updated as fast as humanly possible for the security team
[02:52] <kent> Trickyphillips, name the folders to hide ".folder" , if you missed that message abolve telling you that.
[02:52] <kent> Tron|BoRG, name the folders to hide ".folder" , if you missed that message abolve telling you that.
[02:53] <DaBlade> Hello? Anyone?
[02:54] <crimsun_> DaBlade: which video driver are you using?
[02:54] <DaBlade> nVIDIA's
[02:54] <crimsun_> "nvidia" or "nv"?
[02:54] <k> crimsun_: well. I don't want to complain about the fixing of security holes ;) - But when I run upgrade with an debian-archive after a month or so, I get massiv of stuff to update.
[02:54] <DaBlade> nvidia
[02:54] <DaBlade> in xorg.conf
[02:55] <crimsun_> k: only hoary main (and eventually universe) receives support. Note that main is a much smaller subset (generally) of Debian's main.
[02:55] <Tron|BoRG> hm,its alright now thanks kent
[02:55] <DaBlade> Section "Device"
[02:55] <DaBlade>  Identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] "
[02:55] <DaBlade>  Driver  "nvidia"
[02:55] <DaBlade>  BusID  "PCI:2:0:0"
[02:56] <crimsun_> DaBlade: paste in #flood the contents of /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[02:56] <DaBlade> okay
[02:58] <DaBlade> Done
[02:58] <RedGreenBlue> is there a keymap dialog?
[02:58] <RedGreenBlue> and how do you expand a filesystem?
[02:58] <crimsun_> DaBlade: try disabling SBA. It's known to cause lockups on some hardware combinations.
[02:59] <DaBlade> ok, will it cost me anything if I disable it?
[02:59] <crimsun_> DaBlade: noticeable? no.
[02:59] <DaBlade> ok, done
[02:59] <RedGreenBlue> how do i set up the account so the sudo and the login password are different?
[02:59] <DaBlade> wait..it won't let me save the file
[03:00] <DaBlade> I'm running kedit as root :/
[03:00] <crimsun_> DaBlade: you have to pass modprobe the parameter and value
[03:00] <DaBlade> ?
[03:00] <CarlK> RedGreen - you don
[03:00] <CarlK> 't
[03:00] <DaBlade> how do I do that?
[03:01] <crimsun_> DaBlade: look at the output of ,,modinfo nvidia'' for the SBA parameter. You'll need to create an /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia file with contents "options nvidia THEOPTION=0"
[03:02] <CarlK> RedGreenBlue - ever heard of http://www.redgreen.com ?
[03:02] <DaBlade> filename:       /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko
[03:02] <DaBlade> license:        NVIDIA
[03:02] <DaBlade> alias:          char-major-195-*
[03:02] <DaBlade> vermagic:       2.6.10-5-386 preempt 386 gcc-3.3
[03:02] <DaBlade> depends:        agpgart
[03:02] <DaBlade> alias:          pci:v000010DEd*sv*sd*bc03sc00i00*
[03:02] <DaBlade> oops..not #flood. sorry :(
[03:04] <RedGreenBlue> CarlK: do now!
[03:05] <CarlK> love that show...
[03:05] <morris> Where can i place a program into start up ?
[03:05] <DaBlade> morris: ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:05] <morris> DaBlade, when the kernel starts (well during that stage of boot) not during the GUI startup
[03:06] <cusco> morris: /etc/init.d/
[03:06] <Battletux> can someone tell me if the following is do-able, and if so how to do it?
[03:06] <morris> do i just create a file
[03:06] <morris> and its auto added dynamicaly during boot?
[03:06] <selinium> hi all, for some reason I cannot seem to get nautilus to run under sudo. It used to before but now it doesn't. Amy ideas?
[03:06] <Battletux> use a mounted ISO of hoary as a source. (to save having to dig the CD out every now and then)
[03:07] <cusco> morris: no
[03:07] <marios> hello everyone
[03:07] <CarlK> Battletux - kinda
[03:07] <cusco> morris: put a sh script in there, calling the file
[03:07] <morris> and that is enough yea?
[03:07] <cusco> yes
[03:07] <morris> chmod +x ?
[03:07] <count0nz> Battletux, yes ise a loop fs
[03:07] <count0nz>  /s/lse/use
[03:08] <crimsun_> Battletux: sure. Once you obtain the .iso, just mount it somewhere, like /mnt: sudo modprobe loop && sudo mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt
[03:08] <__Hiro__> hi ubuntu people!
[03:09] <selinium> hi
[03:09] <DaBlade> there is no /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia
[03:09] <CarlK> crimsun_ - what do you put in apt/sources.list to use local files?
[03:09] <__Hiro__> i have a problem..can someone help me?
[03:09] <DaBlade> just /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc
[03:09] <Battletux> thanks guys i just gotta rip it to an iso now then
[03:09] <crimsun_> DaBlade: you can create one
[03:09] <CarlK> Battletux - didn't you dl an iso?
[03:09] <DaBlade> ok
[03:09] <selinium> __Hiro__ : just ask, if any one can they will
[03:09] <haydenTNG> im having trouble configuring vsftpd, i have created an accounts.db and a user config dir but it isnt working, it says the password is incorrect
[03:10] <__Hiro__> I have a quickcam web usb driver for linux
[03:10] <DaBlade> and what do I name the file?
[03:10] <Battletux> CarlK: yes ages ago. i dont have the file anymore just the cd i burnt it to
[03:10] <__Hiro__> in the readme it says me to
[03:10] <Tron|BoRG> Is there a place where deleted files are sent (i.e. trashcan)???
[03:10] <count0nz> CarlK, Good Wiki page :) going to go threw the page and work on some of it and start building a diskless thin client and will give you feed back also and build a wiki page also on a howto
[03:11] <__Hiro__> ./quickcam.sh
[03:11] <__Hiro__> when i do that
[03:11] <CarlK> Battletux - got it.  you could also cp -a  the files, not sure there is much advantage to one big iso vs 100's of .deb
[03:11] <__Hiro__> it says me that
[03:11] <daniels> telemaco: ping
[03:11] <__Hiro__> he can't find the kernel source
[03:11] <__Hiro__> and he can't go on..
[03:11] <CarlK> count0nz - glad you like it
[03:11] <__Hiro__> sorry for english..
[03:11] <DaBlade> crimsun_ hello?
[03:11] <crimsun_> CarlK: deb file:/mnt/... repos
[03:11] <selinium> Tron|BoRG yes, the trashcan! :) Icon on the bottom right hand side
[03:12] <Battletux> Carlk: i think i'd prefer just the single file, it would make life easyer
[03:12] <__Hiro__> I searched for the kernel sources in synaptic
[03:12] <crimsun_> DaBlade: sec, I'm getting ready for a meeting at work
[03:12] <__Hiro__> but it has a version of 2.4
[03:12] <count0nz> CarlK, good stuff mate :) i'll borrow some of your steaps and add to them and add to your wiki too :) (i have to sit down and learn wiki :)
[03:12] <__Hiro__> and doesn't match with ubuntu 5.04 kernel..
[03:12] <crimsun_> DaBlade: just name it nvidia
[03:12] <DaBlade> okay thanks for your help :)
[03:12] <Tron|BoRG> selinium: i cant see it *sob*
[03:12] <DaBlade> adios amigo
[03:13] <MightyUbuntu> Hello
[03:13] <__Hiro__> and also linux sources didn't work..
[03:13] <__Hiro__> what I have to install?
[03:13] <CarlK> count0nz - feel free to just dump stuff to the end of it, I or someone can make it pretty
[03:13] <MightyUbuntu> How do you do?
[03:14] <__Hiro__> ?
[03:14] <count0nz> CarlK, Np thanks :)
[03:14] <selinium> Tron|BoRG that or you can find it at /home/user/.Trash
[03:15] <__Hiro__> is that a big problem?
[03:16] <MightyUbuntu> Hehe
[03:16] <Battletux> CarlK: what am i doing wrong with the ISO creation, am doing this: mkisofs -o /home/andym/.iso/hoary.iso /cdrom but it fails?
[03:16] <Tron|BoRG> selinium: *gulp* cannot be found
[03:16] <selinium> __Hiro__ I cant help you, i am new to this myself, but give people a chance to answer you.
[03:16] <CarlK> Battletux - going the wrong direction ;)
[03:16] <Battletux> CarlK: how so?
[03:16] <__Hiro__> tnx anyway
[03:17] <__Hiro__> it seems something simple
[03:17] <tritium> Battletux, are you sure you've got /cdrom, instead of, say, /media/cdrom ?
[03:17] <selinium> Tron|BoRG /home/user/.Trash   where 'user'  is your user name
[03:17] <__Hiro__> but i don't find the right package
[03:17] <CarlK> Battletux - dd if=/dev/hdb  of=hoary.iso
[03:17] <Battletux> it's /cdrom, as i can umount /cdrom and the disc disapears off the desktop
[03:17] <bigfoot> Hi all: i was playing with the top Gnome Panel (the one containing the Applications, Places, System, clock, volume icon) Everything is flushed to the right. How do I get the Applications, Places, System Stuff on the Left Side again?
[03:18] <Tron|BoRG> ohh
[03:18] <crimsun_> bigfoot: drag them over with the middle selector (mouse, usually) button
[03:18] <Tron|BoRG> YAY !!
[03:18] <Tron|BoRG> selinium: thanks !!!!
[03:18] <Tron|BoRG> i thought all was lost
[03:18] <CarlK> Battletux - oh, I see what you were doing, mount it to get tot the files, then mkiso from the files...
[03:19] <Pengui1> Huhu
[03:19] <selinium> Tron|BoRG no problem!
[03:19] <locomorto> Is it just me, or is the firefox 1.0.4 version (backport) unstable?
[03:19] <Battletux> CarlK: got it: mkisofs -o /home/andym/.iso/hoary.iso /cdrom/* works, thanks
[03:19] <CarlK> Battletux - easier to unmount and just "rip" the whole image as one big wad of bytes
[03:20] <bigfoot> crimsun_, what you said works, but only for the icons such as Firefox, Evolution, Help. Middleclick + Drag does not work for Applications, Places, System.
[03:20] <Tron|BoRG> locomorto: you need to change the config slightly :D
[03:20] <CarlK> Battletux - your image won't be bootable, so you can't burn a new CD
[03:20] <Tron|BoRG> and then it works fast locomorto
[03:20] <locomorto> no i mean it crashes
[03:20] <Tron|BoRG> oh
[03:20] <locomorto> and freezes up more specficly
[03:20] <Battletux> CarlK: i dont want it bootable, i just want to use it as a source for apt-get instead of the actual cd
[03:21] <CarlK> Battletux - then either way
[03:22] <tritium> bigfoot, did you try right-clicking, unchecking "Lock to Panel", and then selecting "Move"?
[03:22] <RichardC> is there any way i can see how fast my dial-up connection is connected?
[03:22] <RichardC> i know with kde, kppp would minimize to the tray, and it would tell me there
[03:23] <bigfoot> tritium, you are clever! it works!
[03:23] <tritium> bigfoot, good deal :)
[03:23] <rickardl> Hello! I have a question about how to setup raid at installation of ubuntu. When I come to the partition dialog I can se my two disks, but what am I supposed to do now to setup raid? Can anyone help me?
[03:23] <tritium> RichardC, there's a netspeed applet you can try
[03:24] <locomorto> Anyone here installed WoW with wine?
[03:24] <RichardC> but i have no clue with gnome
[03:24] <bigfoot> I gotta figure out all the functions of Middle-clicking in Ubuntu/Linux. ...
[03:25] <johnnybezak> can you just use kppp instead?
[03:25] <haydenTNG> can anyone help me configure vsftpd
[03:29] <occy> argh!#%!#%
[03:29] <jansen> how to compile the kernel under ubuntu hoary?
[03:29] <occy> man... this is worse than the BSOD
[03:29] <Wimpie> Can anybody tell me if and how one can move from ubuntu to kubuntu ?
[03:30] <Riddell> Wimpie: kubuntu.org/faq.php
[03:30] <bigfoot> How can I make program windows semi-transparent, as in http://img126.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img126&image=screenshot1ob.png?
[03:30] <haydenTNG> Wimpie: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:30] <occy> :(
[03:30] <occy> ugh ugh ugh
[03:31] <Ainvar> yeah I get random lockups too but it is something I prolly did..... ;)
[03:31] <Wimpie> I heard that one can order ubuntu for nc6220 HP laptops.  Does that also apply for kubuntu should I just order ubuntu and the apt-get ...
[03:31] <jansen> bigfoot
[03:31] <jansen> Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/image/www/colorinc.php:37) in /home/image/www/my.php on line 47
[03:31] <occy> is there not a card better suited for Linux that will just fscking work besides nvidia?
[03:31] <kestas> bigfoot: xcompmgr
[03:31] <occy> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]  (rev a3)
[03:31] <kestas> occy: nope nvidia works fine though
[03:31] <occy> that's what I have now
[03:31] <telemaco> daniels: ping
[03:31] <bigfoot> jansen, you called?
[03:31] <mindmedic> Wimpie, its pretty easy to install kubuntus changes in ubuntu
[03:31] <occy> keffo, it keeps locking up to hell and back on me.
[03:31] <jansen> bigfoot yep
[03:32] <kestas> occy: thats what my sister has and it works fine
[03:32] <occy> it's beyond old.
[03:32] <morris> crsap
[03:32] <morris> crap
[03:32] <Wimpie> thx
[03:32] <occy> kestas, I ran winxp on this same hardware for 3 months without 1 single problem.   I can't get Ubuntu to stay up on it for any longer than 3 days
[03:32] <kestas> its a couple of years old but it plays most everything
[03:32] <bigfoot> jansen,  I'm all ears.
[03:32] <Ainvar> I got ubuntu running on a Dell Inspiron 6000d laptop that uses an ati x300 128meg card
[03:32] <kestas> occy: how are you sure its the card tahts crashing?
[03:32] <daniels> telemaco: pong
[03:32] <Ainvar> did the howto for the better drivers to get 3d and it is smoking
[03:33] <mindmedic> bye Wimpie
[03:33] <occy> kestas, I've ran memtest86 and that seems fine.
[03:33] <kestas> occy: theres still lots of things it could be
[03:33] <kestas> occy: you need an error message, or something specific
[03:33] <occy> kestas, true... But I've heard others have had issues.
[03:33] <occy> kestas, none in the logs at all.
[03:34] <telemaco> daniels: Kamion said me that you know how works the X detection system. Can ask you a question about it ?
[03:34] <occy> I was simply dragging a pasted area in gimp around and LOCk
[03:34] <kestas> occy: could you try xfce or kde?
[03:34] <occy> heh
[03:34] <kestas> occy: maybe its something wrong with gnome
[03:34] <kestas> occy: if you did that it would narrow it down a lot
[03:35] <occy> right...
[03:35] <occy> heh
[03:35] <kestas> occy: well if you want to get another video card to try and solve this go for it
[03:35] <daniels> telemaco: sure
[03:36] <Battletux> CarlK: ok what would need to be entered into /etc/fstab to get the iso to mount each time the system booted?
[03:37] <telemaco> daniels: i'm working in a distro ubuntu-based , and we have some problems with some monitors . The xserver-xorg don't get the vrefresh and hsync
[03:38] <telemaco> daniels: and the display starts at 640x480
[03:38] <rics> hi
[03:38] <daniels> telemaco: let me guess -- the problems only happen when you're using integrated intel desktop chipsets
[03:38] <telemaco> daniels: YEAH ! :D
[03:38] <daniels> telemaco: if so, that's bug #7878, which is fixed in breezy and will get a hoary update
[03:38] <kestas> Bandit: /home/user/balh.iso /mnt/balh.iso/ iso9660 loop 0 0
[03:38] <bigfoot> Is there a way I could get a list of all the stuff that I've installed via synaptic and/or sudo apt-get? I'd like the list to _not_ include the stuff that the InstallCd installed, just the stuff I've added. How can this be done? (I ask because I'd like to keep track, in case I decide to delete some stuff in the future)
[03:38] <daniels> telemaco: if you need to write the horizsync/vertrefresh out, then the driver is buggy
[03:38] <kestas> bigfoot: deborphan -a
[03:39] <telemaco> daniels: cool
[03:39] <SEBest> hello, i'm doing a website for my software, but i'm not a native english speakers
[03:39] <telemaco> daniels: is in the horay updates ?
[03:39] <keffo> daniels, aussie?
[03:39] <SEBest> anyone could help me to correct it?
[03:40] <SEBest> it's wiki based
[03:40] <SEBest> http://gentoo.ovibes.net/nautilus-share/
[03:41] <yonil> can someone explain to me how to use unrar from command line ? it always fails ...
[03:41] <Battletux> how do you get mkisofs to keep symlinks?
[03:41] <Seveas> unrar e [the rar file] 
[03:41] <ruschi> unrar e <rarrarchive>
[03:41] <god> you shove it up your ass
[03:41] <cyrix_> how do I "autoset" transset to start, when I start a program ?
[03:41] <bigfoot> kestas, i put deborphan -a in terminal, but nothing happened.
[03:41] <morris> what signal systems are their available to zaptel ? im using now fxsls, that works fine for outgoing calls.. however!! its broken incomming calls... i was originaly using fxsks which, incomming calls where perfect and outgoing were broken.. what is the other one that i cannot remmeber ?
[03:42] <god> fuck you guys
[03:42] <god> hack me
[03:42] <kestas> bigfoot: you have to install it
[03:42] <god> please
[03:42] <god> do it
[03:42] <god> hack me now
[03:42] <bloodlust> gg hello
[03:42] <morris> god, your a dick
[03:42] <bloodlust> no you hack me
[03:42] <bigfoot> kestas, do you use it yourself?
[03:42] <bloodlust> first
[03:42] <yonil> Seveas, ruschi: I think my unrar is different, when i do unrar e something, it says "e" doesnt exist (as an archive)
[03:42] <kestas> bigfoot: why/
[03:42] <daniels> keffo: yeah
[03:42] <Seveas> morris, bloodlust please do not feed the troll...
[03:42] <daniels> telemaco: not yet, but it will be
[03:42] <bloodlust> how bug
[03:42] <bloodlust> big
[03:42] <bigfoot> kestas, is it even a good idea to keep track  of stuff that one installs?
[03:42] <morris> Seveas, okeys
[03:42] <bloodlust> *
[03:43] <bigfoot> kestas, i ask coz I'm just wondering. 8-)
[03:43] <kestas> bigfoot: yup its a good idea
[03:43] <ruschi> UNRAR 3.40 freeware
[03:43] <kestas> bigfoot: and yes I do use it
[03:43] <bloodlust> suck ny dick
[03:43] <CarlK> I would advise not using the word "hack" for a while
[03:43] <keffo> daniels, ok. thought so.. dunno why, might've been thinking of daniel johns
[03:43] <yonil> ruschi, when i do --version it says unrar 0.0.1
[03:43] <ruschi> unrar e = Extract files to currext directory
[03:43] <Seveas> bloodlust, please keep the code of conduct in mind too...
[03:43] <keffo> might've been something like that
[03:43] <El_Presidente> hello
[03:43] <daniels> keffo: heh
[03:43] <CarlK> along with other collorfull words
[03:43] <ruschi> I have unrar non-free
[03:43] <yonil> ruschi, i dont have the same unrar, what can i do ?
[03:43] <daniels> bloodlust: dude, language
[03:43] <Seveas> yonil, try installing unrar-nonfree
[03:44] <bloodlust> ooo i get it its like saying bomb  on an airplane
[03:44] <El_Presidente> i have a problem with creating a 32 bit chroot on my 64 bit system
[03:44] <ruschi> start synaptic and install unrar-nonfree
[03:44] <keffo> daniels, do you know if The Dissociatives plays in Oz nearly? (if you know about Dissociatives..)
[03:44] <El_Presidente> anyone here who can help me?
[03:44] <yonil> Seveas, cool :)
[03:44] <daniels> keffo: not really my sort of thing, sorry
[03:44] <kestas> El_Presidente: I dont think you can do that
[03:45] <ruschi> o.k. I am bold do do something stupid -- has anyone tried to upgrade to breezy badger???
[03:45] <El_Presidente> its possible ;)
[03:45] <kestas> El_Presidente: doesnt chroot use the same kernel as the one youre using?
[03:45] <Seveas> ruschi, read the topic
[03:45] <bloodlust> you're all a bunch of hacks
[03:45] <Seveas> do NOT use breezy yet
[03:45] <El_Presidente> its just about the libs
[03:45] <ruschi> o.k. thanks
[03:46] <kestas> El_Presidente: hmm thats news to me
[03:46] <telemaco> daniels: thanks !
[03:46] <telemaco> :)
[03:47] <daniels> telemaco: no worries
[03:48] <daniels> El_Presidente: um, no, X is actually apparently pretty broken
[03:48] <daniels> which doesn't surprise me in the least, because I've been doing some pretty major surgery to it
[03:48] <ruschi> Ahh, while I am here another favourite problem of mine: I have hotkeys and keyboardshortcuts enabled in KDE. for some strange reason firefox accepts no input from me (neither mouseclicks on links nor keyboard events) while running in KDE
[03:49] <kestas> daniels: he was talking about running a 32-bit chroot system in a 64-bit system
[03:49] <yonil> can you help me, how do i extract each rar file in a folder ? i tried unrar x *.rar, but it doesnt work (says "no files to extract" on the first rar file)
[03:49] <kestas> yonil: you need to get unrar-nonfree
[03:49] <yonil> kestas, im using unrar-nonfree
[03:49] <kestas> hmm
[03:49] <yonil> its working normaly, i ask how can i extract all rar files in a folder
[03:50] <huttan> Can anyone please help me with installing nvidia drivers on ubuntu with 2.6.9 kernel?
[03:50] <Seveas> yonil, if you are trying to decompress a spanned set, you only need to pass the first filename to unrar
[03:50] <yonil> Seveas, i dont ;\
[03:51] <CarlK> I "hear" some people have problems with nv-glx - anyone ( daniels ) know anything about it?
[03:53] <CarlK> huttan - there is nvidia-glx in synaptic, you just install it and run the command listed in the description - but I would check the forums - there is a hint of a problem with something nvida related
[03:53] <daniels> kestas: oh sorry, my bad
[03:54] <CarlK> huttan - (I just heard about it here, and I don't know if it is related to the nvidia-glx package, or people trying to use things they got from nvidia
[03:54] <kestas> CarlK: nvidia works fine
[03:54] <Seveas> huttan, why are you using 2.6.9?
[03:55] <huttan> CarlK, Im trying to install the drivers i downloaded from their page
[03:55] <CarlK> kestas - nvidia works fine for me, but i have heard of problems
[03:55] <Seveas> huttan, please use an ubuntu supported kernel and ubunt-supported nvidia modules
[03:55] <huttan> Seveas, Last kernel i made was 2.6.9, havent bothered to compile a new one, as I am happy with my current.
[03:55] <CarlK> huttan - I would use the package
[03:55] <incorrect> hello guys, with debootstrap, can i get a version for debian that is the ubunto version?
[03:55] <incorrect> excuse the typo
[03:55] <huttan> I got the driver installed last time before my disks crashed and I had to reinstall the whole system
[03:56] <Seveas> incorrect, sure
[03:56] <huttan> using the same kernel image
[03:56] <incorrect> Seveas, can i get it in a .deb? that will install for woody
[03:56] <huttan>  If you are using a Linux 2.6 kernel, please make sure
[03:56] <huttan>        you have configured kernel sources matching your kernel
[03:56] <huttan>        installed on your system. If you specified a separate
[03:56] <huttan>        output directory using either the "KBUILD_OUTPUT" or
[03:56] <huttan>        the "O" KBUILD parameter, make sure to specify this
[03:56] <huttan>        directory with the SYSOUT environment variable or with
[03:56] <huttan>        the appropriate nvidia-installer command line option.
[03:56] <huttan> ERROR: Installation has failed.
[03:56] <kestas> huttan: it takes 5 secs to install 2.6.10 why not just do it for simplicity's sake?
[03:56] <Seveas> incorrect, ehm well, if i understand your question, but i think i didn't
[03:56] <huttan> that's the error msg, donnu how to get around it.
[03:56] <incorrect> i am building usb keyrings, to install boxes
[03:56] <Seveas> huttan, DO NOT paste that much in here
[03:56] <huttan> sorry
[03:56] <CarlK> huttan - you are asking for help driving on the wrong side of the road ;)
[03:56] <incorrect> i want to create the company install usb keyring for installing all systems
[03:56] <huttan> CarlK, heh
[03:57] <Seveas> incorrect, so what do you need, a debootstrap deb?
[03:57] <incorrect> i want the company to use debian woody (stable) servers and ubutun desktops
[03:57] <huttan> The precompiled smp kernels I downloaded and installed wouldnt boot off my sata disks, that's why I had to make a custom
[03:57] <Seveas> ah ok
[03:57] <incorrect> www.backports.org has debootstrap for woody, sarge and sid
[03:57] <incorrect> no ubuntu
[03:57] <Seveas> incorrect, ubuntu has debootsrtap for ubuntu :)
[03:58] <incorrect> i love building from scratch and strapping it
[03:58] <kestas> huttan: well nvidia driver expects the kernel to be installed to /usr/src/linux
[03:58] <incorrect> Seveas, can ubuntu do woody and sarge?
[03:58] <huttan> kestas, the source is there, same with the symlink
[03:58] <kestas> hmm
[03:58] <Seveas> never tried myself, but i have heard that it can
[03:58] <kestas> huttan: do you have your .config file in there?
[03:58] <Seveas> just try it, it takes a few seconds :)
[03:58] <CarlK> huttan - it would be better to try to get the smb kernel and sata all working togeter than to avoid that problem and create a 2nd
[03:58] <incorrect> it would be sweet if all machines could play nice together
[03:59] <CarlK> huttan - but at least i see why you were trying an alternate path
[03:59] <huttan> CarlK, yea
[03:59] <huttan> I got this working perfectly like a year ago, donnu why it wont now =(
[03:59] <kestas> huttan: do you have your .config file in there?
[03:59] <huttan> Or maybe not that long ago, 2.6.9 maybe wasnt out then
[03:59] <huttan> kestas, yea
[03:59] <huttan> kestas, want to take a peek?
[04:00] <RichardC> is there an irc client for linux that looks pretty much like mirc?
[04:00] <RichardC> i dont like xchat all that much
[04:00] <kestas> huttan: before the error message you posted what error was giver?
[04:00] <CarlK> huttan - I would use the package manager to install the latest smb kernel, report back if you have problems
[04:00] <Battletux> CarlK: what was the RAW way of copying the ubuntu disk that would make it bootable?
[04:00] <kestas> huttan: the message you posted was advice, the real error should have been before i
[04:00] <kestas> t
[04:00] <huttan> ok
[04:00] <huttan> 1s
[04:01] <kestas> CarlK: if he cant boot with a single multi processor kernel he wont be able to with an smb one
[04:01] <huttan> lemme put the whole log file on my webserver
[04:01] <johnnybezak> anyone here set up an ldap computer
[04:01] <CarlK> Battletux - dd if=/dev/hdc of=hoary.iso
[04:01] <kestas> CarlK: its the sata drivers
[04:01] <bigfoot> kestas, thanks for the tip. got the deporphan thru synaptic and ran the command. It doesn't show Deborphan program itself though. So now I'm worried whether that command (deborphan -a) shows _all_ packages/programs installed by me.
[04:01] <Battletux> CarlK: with the cd unmounted i presume?
[04:01] <johnnybezak> anyone here set up an ldap server
[04:01] <johnnybezak> sorry
[04:01] <CarlK> Battletux - correct
[04:01] <Battletux> carlK: thanks
[04:02] <E0x> morning
[04:02] <kestas> bigfoot: I guess it just doesnt include itself in the list, because when I look through my deborphan -a output theres nothing not in there which I installed
[04:02] <CarlK> kestas - current ubuntu kernel doesn't work with sata?
[04:02] <kestas> CarlK: apparently not, dont know
[04:02] <E0x> hmm
[04:02] <bigfoot> gotcha, kestas.
[04:02] <E0x> i have a sata disk
[04:02] <E0x> and work
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[04:02] <kestas> hmm odd
[04:02] <CarlK> kestas - i got the feeling he hand't tried any of the recient ubuntu kernels
[04:02] <kestas> CarlK: yeah good point
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats the problem?
[04:03] <CarlK> there is only one problem?
[04:03] <CarlK> ;)
[04:03] <Seveas> huttan, the 2.6.10 kernels are much better than the 2.6.8 ones, have you tried one of these?
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> :p with the sata?
[04:03] <CarlK> Kamping_Kaiser - about sata and smb?
[04:03] <huttan> www.huttan.org/nvlog.txt
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont know, just came into it then
[04:04] <CarlK> Kamping_Kaiser - huttan was tryint to build a kernel with nvidia drivers becasus 1000's of years ago the stock kernel woudn't work and he has sata drives
[04:04] <marcela> Hola
[04:04] <marcela> alguien habla espaol
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. ok
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> is there an ubuntu-es?
[04:04] <huttan> CarlK, I didnt try to build them into the kernel, this happens when I try to install the drivers I get from nvidias homepage
[04:04] <marcela> thank
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> you don't need them
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> the drivers are packaged for you
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:05] <Seveas> marcela, #ubuntu-es
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install linux-restricted-modules$(uname -r)
[04:05] <Seveas> hmm, lag:)
[04:05] <jansen> marcela amigo
[04:06] <marcela> sucede que tengo recien instalado el ubunto
[04:06] <marcela> quiero instalar mc
[04:06] <Seveas> marcela, va en #ubuntu-es por espanol
[04:06] <jansen> Seveas are u using the wi-fi?
[04:06] <Seveas> jansen, yes
[04:06] <kestas> anyone even used expocity?
[04:06] <marcela> no hay nadie en #ubunto-es
[04:06] <Seveas> atheros+802.1x atm
[04:06] <jansen> Seveas That's great
[04:07] <jansen> Seveas how about speed?
[04:07] <johnnybezak> marcela que es mc
[04:07] <marcela> midnight commander
[04:07] <huttan> CarlK, that tell you anything ?
[04:07] <CarlK> huttan - that what?
[04:08] <johnnybezak> sudo apt-get install mc
[04:08] <huttan> CarlK, the link
[04:08] <johnnybezak> es facil
[04:08] <johnnybezak> guys is there an engine to make qt apps use gtk
[04:08] <CarlK> huttan - it tells me you arn't using the package ;)
[04:08] <johnnybezak> themes
[04:08] <runge> is there a place to search packages for ubuntu? (I do not have one installed here, thinking more of a webpage)
[04:09] <marcela> no encuentra las dependencias
[04:09] <runge> webbased apt-get search..
[04:09] <tanek> when i run sudo vmware-donfig.pl it complains about missing the /etc/vmware/locations could anyone send theirs?
[04:10] <huttan> CarlK :)
[04:10] <CarlK> huttan - there was a problem with your side of the road, so you chose an alternate path which is also causing problems.  I woudl see if the first problem has been fixed, and if not try to get it fixed so that the "main road" is fixed for all
[04:10] <johnnybezak> marcela: yo no hablo bien espano piero tienes los repositories universe y multiverse en el /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[04:10] <marcela> haber
[04:10] <huttan> kk
[04:10] <marcela> dime como lo coloco
[04:11] <marcela> me voy a /etc/apt
[04:11] <marcela> que le agrego
[04:11] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[04:11] <jango6> hi all
[04:11] <Riddell> runge: packages.ubuntu.com
[04:11] <jango6> are there french?
[04:11] <da_bon_bon> wherez that file -- i am mark shuttleworth and i pronounce ubuntu ubuntu ?
[04:11] <johnnybezak> lol does it exist
[04:11] <da_bon_bon> johnnybezak: it sure does
[04:12] <johnnybezak> da_bon_bon: awesome
[04:12] <jango6> who know a french ICQ ubuntu help
[04:12] <jango6> N*
[04:12] <jango6> ?
[04:12] <jiyuu0> dist-upgrade to breezy crashed my X
[04:12] <jiyuu0> :(
[04:12] <Battletux> is it possible to refresh /etc/fstab without rebooting?
[04:12] <Battletux> and if so how?
[04:12] <jango6> ??
[04:12] <tanek> Battletux: sudo mount -a
[04:12] <da_bon_bon> jiyuu0: read the topic
[04:12] <jango6> no one for help me?
[04:12] <Battletux> tanek: thanks
[04:12] <da_bon_bon> jiyuu0: dont use breezy now
[04:12] <tanek> np
[04:13] <da_bon_bon> jango6: dont use breezy now
[04:13] <da_bon_bon> jango6: read the topic
[04:13] <jango6> where??,
[04:13] <johnnybezak> marcela: marcela: escribir "cat /etc/apt/source.list" en un terminal
[04:13] <jango6> sorry but i just want french help :s
[04:13] <jiyuu0> Battletux, http://ubuntuguide.org/#remountfstabwithoutreboot
[04:13] <marcela> si
[04:13] <jango6> marcela?
[04:13] <marcela> ya lo tengo habierto
[04:13] <EmeraldCat> hello. I was wondering if Knoppix 3.3 includes an email server and a ftp server. [I came here from #debian, rather they sent me here (and I came there from #knoppix -- which is a mostly "quiet" channel.)] 
[04:13] <jango6> arf
[04:13] <jango6> bye
[04:14] <jiyuu0> da_bon_bon, i was just tryin... and it crashed... lucky it's on my test machine
[04:14] <bjorninge> Hi, Could anybody tell me how to get the battery monitor in gnome to work with hoary and a phoenix bios?
[04:14] <johnnybezak> ci hay sin comments (#)  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[04:14] <johnnybezak>  deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[04:14] <da_bon_bon> johnnybezak: #ubuntu-fr
[04:14] <marcela> est con #
[04:15] <da_bon_bon> marcela: #ubuntu-es
[04:15] <marcela> da_bon_bon !!  no hay nadie en #ubunto-es
[04:16] <da_bon_bon> marcela: hmm.. i can only comprehend english, no other foreing languages :)
[04:18] <Kevin_> hi I would like to know how i could install the new Gaim 1.3.0 and replace my old gaim which came with ubunutu
[04:18] <bigfoot> when the new Ubuntu comes out in October, is it easy to move from Hoary to it (breezy)? Does one need to install from CD? Does one need to save all their home stuff first to an external media?
[04:18] <haydenTNG> can anyone help me configure vsftpd
[04:18] <da_bon_bon> Kevin_: use backports
[04:18] <bdclark> da_bon_bon: Marcela is saying there is nobody in #ubuntu-es
[04:18] <da_bon_bon> bdclark: ohok..
[04:18] <Kevin_> backports?
[04:19] <da_bon_bon> Kevin_: backports.ubuntu-forums.org
[04:19] <marcela> yes
[04:19] <Kevin_> no such website
[04:20] <chet> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=47
[04:20] <da_bon_bon> Kevin_: sorry -- http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[04:20] <Kevin_> ahh thanks
[04:21] <da_bon_bon> np
[04:21] <da_bon_bon> :D
[04:21] <haydenTNG> can anyone help me with my vsftpd troubles?
[04:22] <bjorninge>  Hi, Could anybody tell me how to get the battery monitor in gnome to work with hoary and a phoenix bios (toshiba laptop)?
[04:22] <synic> bjorninge: how old is the laptop?
[04:23] <FreezerX> what tool is needed to play simple wav-files? xmms and rhythmox dont play anything
[04:23] <bjorninge> it's two weeks old
[04:23] <synic> oh.
[04:23] <synic> bjorninge: you got me then.
[04:24] <clskbackward> What's a decent media player for ubuntu?
[04:24] <clskbackward> The ones that come by default won't play mp3s nor mpgs
[04:25] <Ali_Baba> xmms is a good for mp3
[04:25] <Ali_Baba> and mplayer/vlc for video :)
[04:25] <clskbackward> I'm having a hard time installing it
[04:26] <FreezerX> You need to install gstreamer0.8-mad package as well to play mp3
[04:27] <da_bon_bon> bigfoot: no. breezy from hoary is damn simple
[04:27] <da_bon_bon> bigfoot: just add the cd to apt sources and do apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:27] <AirWays> I want to put KDE to my Ubuntu, I just put to terminal: "sudo apt-get install kde" <-- That's it?
[04:27] <da_bon_bon> AirWays: NOOO!
[04:28] <da_bon_bon> AirWays: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:28] <AirWays> And then what?
[04:28] <johnnybezak> then along came jones
[04:28] <da_bon_bon> AirWays: nothing.. reboot maybe
[04:28] <johnnybezak> log out and back in
[04:28] <haydenTNG> AirWays:
[04:28] <AirWays> Should I close some programs which is running now or something
[04:29] <johnnybezak> what haydenTNG said :P
[04:29] <da_bon_bon> AirWays: no..
[04:29] <johnnybezak> nope
[04:29] <da_bon_bon> AirWays: enjoy apt bliss :)
[04:29] <AirWays> Oay
[04:29] <AirWays> :>
[04:29] <clskbackward> damn dependencies
[04:29] <johnnybezak> what were you using gentoo ?
[04:29] <Arif> o/
[04:29] <haydenTNG> johnnybezak: lol, was gonna say what u said
[04:29] <RichardC> ok, so i just installed netspeed
[04:29] <clskbackward> me?
[04:29] <johnnybezak> haydenTNG: haha
[04:29] <RichardC> using a deb
[04:30] <johnnybezak> no AirWays
[04:30] <johnnybezak> why were you
[04:30] <johnnybezak> ?
[04:30] <RichardC> how do i use it?
[04:30] <AirWays> What?
[04:30] <da_bon_bon> Arif: how ?
[04:30] <Arif> I can't internet on it :(
[04:30] <da_bon_bon> Arif: why not ?
[04:30] <johnnybezak> AirWays: what distro were you running pre-ubuntu?
[04:30] <johnnybezak> Arif: howd you do it?
[04:31] <da_bon_bon> johnnybezak: why do u think it was gentoo
[04:31] <da_bon_bon> ?
[04:31] <Arif> I don't know
[04:31] <poe-t> how do I upgrade my hoary (I guess it is) to a more unstable thing?
[04:31] <jiyuu0> is there any application like netlimiter?
[04:31] <da_bon_bon> Arif: then u didnt break it
[04:31] <Arif> sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
[04:31] <johnnybezak> da_bon_bon: cos he was talking about closing windows (compiling taking up system resources)
[04:31] <johnnybezak> tahts what i thought
[04:32] <Ali_Baba> poe-t: you have to change repositories to breezy
[04:32] <johnnybezak> is beagle in breezy?
[04:32] <da_bon_bon> johnnybezak: lol.. u dont need to close stuff -- i do surfing and play games during kernel compiles
[04:32] <poe-t> Ali_Baba, tks
[04:32] <alexmacy> hi
[04:32] <alexmacy>  i'm looking for a precise descirption of how the package-dependency system works
[04:32] <poe-t> johnnybezak, its in hoary 2
[04:33] <Ali_Baba> poe-t:glad to help :)
[04:33] <alexmacy> qqn peux m'expliqer ou sont stock les fichier du "graveur de CD/DVD" plz?
[04:33] <johnnybezak> da_bon_bon: yeah i know, i used to run gentoo. i was sort of making a gag. just a bad one
[04:33] <alexmacy> if possible with algo or pseudo-code
[04:34] <johnnybezak> alexmacy: tu connais ubuntu-fr ?
[04:34] <da_bon_bon> johnnybezak: ohok..
[04:35] <teknoprep> yo
[04:35] <johnnybezak> da_bon_bon: :P you run ubuntu too ?
[04:35] <da_bon_bon> johnnybezak: used to. not now...
[04:35] <da_bon_bon> johnnybezak: what about u ?
[04:35] <teknoprep> kubuntu is pretty nice..
[04:35] <alexmacy> johnnybezak, sorry, it was a copy/paste error :(
[04:35] <johnnybezak> alexmacy: haha ok
[04:35] <johnnybezak> da_bon_bon: yeah hoary how come you hang here if youre running gentoo?
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> wheres transcode gone? its not in my repos?
[04:36] <da_bon_bon> johnnybezak: i am not running gentoo either
[04:36] <da_bon_bon> johnnybezak: www.archlinux.org
[04:36] <johnnybezak> da_bon_bon: *confusion*
[04:36] <johnnybezak> hehe
[04:36] <teknoprep> gentoo owns you
[04:36] <da_bon_bon> johnnybezak: do a whois on me -- i ang on many channels: D
[04:37] <johnnybezak> how?
[04:37] <johnnybezak> (im an irssi noob)
[04:37] <da_bon_bon> johnnybezak: /whois da_bon_bon
[04:37] <johnnybezak> haha did it didn't work :P
[04:38] <snugglebunny> * [da_bon_bon]  #suspend2 #archlinux #math #one09 ##slackware #kubuntu #ubuntu ##c++ ##c #fedora
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> just a few :)
[04:38] <snugglebunny> #math is the scariest of them
[04:38] <da_bon_bon> snugglebunny: :)
[04:38] <johnnybezak> snugglebunny: thnx
[04:38] <da_bon_bon> snugglebunny: #math ROCKS!
[04:38] <kent> How do i get the public key from gpg which people can use to verify my mails?  Is it the same as the key id I supplied evolution with to sign my mails?
[04:38] <johnnybezak> hash math lol
[04:38] <johnnybezak> wont see me there
[04:39] <johnnybezak> whats arch is it the one optimised for speed i686 distro or something
[04:39] <johnnybezak> *distro confused*
[04:39] <da_bon_bon> johnnybezak: yes.. and it runs hell fast
[04:39] <zkruw> anyone know where to get the w32 codecs?
[04:40] <snugglebunny> archlinux is just yet another distro which attempts to be a bit more lightweight in some aspects.
[04:40] <johnnybezak> bring on the flame war
[04:40] <johnnybezak> hehe
[04:40] <Kimppa> zkruw: apt-get intsall w32codecs
[04:40] <johnnybezak> wouldn't run at all on my beast
[04:40] <johnnybezak> (ppc)
[04:40] <snugglebunny> Nah, no flamewar from me. I'm distro agnostic, I think there's very little difference between most distros.
[04:40] <da_bon_bon> no..
[04:41] <snugglebunny> At the end of the day it's just an operating system.
[04:41] <da_bon_bon> i wish all distros co existed peacufully
[04:41] <da_bon_bon> :(
[04:41] <johnnybezak> snugglebunny: how could you say such a thing in a linux channel :)
[04:41] <AirWays> I'm installin KDE and now this asks like this: "Select the desired default display manager.", I have now this default Ubuntus desktop system GNOME, so should I put : gdm or kdm?
[04:42] <teknoprep> the only disto's i do not like are RPM based distro's
[04:42] <teknoprep> too many problems with RPM based distro's and how packages are managed by too many ppl
[04:42] <johnnybezak> AirWays: you can just use gdm can't you?
[04:42] <snugglebunny> johnnybezak, because I tend to use my compuiter as a tool. I only use linux as it can do everything I need to do for free. If windows did something I needed and Linux didn't I'd use windows.
[04:42] <AirWays> Yeah
[04:42] <AirWays> And now i'm trying to intall KDE
[04:42] <AirWays> Install even
[04:43] <johnnybezak> snugglebunny: suuure thats why youre in a linux irc channel hey? :)
[04:43] <teknoprep> what is the install candidate for tuxracer
[04:43] <johnnybezak> AirWays: sure then when its installed just log back out
[04:43] <johnnybezak> and set it at the ubuntu login screen
[04:43] <AirWays> Play
[04:43] <AirWays> Okay
[04:43] <da_bon_bon> teknoprep: i dont like rpm too
[04:43] <johnnybezak> da_bon_bon: urpmi works sweet
[04:44] <johnnybezak> so does yum from what i've heard
[04:45] <bjorninge> yum from the comandline works, but through its graphical interface its quite buggy, or atleast it was when I tried fedora 2
[04:45] <da_bon_bon> bjorninge: it hasnt chnaged
[04:45] <da_bon_bon> the distro i found BEST is SLACKWARE!
[04:46] <peaceyall> Im using Ubuntu on my laptop. When i close my laptop and then after 20 seconds or so if i open up the lid all i see is a black sreen with on underscore flashing at the top left. To get back in i have to ctrl + alt + f1 to bring up a console then sudo -s and then i have to kill gdm and then run it again and log in again. I have tried every button to get back in without re logging but nothign works :/ Anywayz how can i solve this problem?
[04:46] <Ali_Baba> Ubuntu is the best distro for me :D
[04:46] <snugglebunny> da_bon_bon, same here. Ran slack for two years and a hd failure caused me to switch to ubuntu out of curiosity
[04:46] <jiyuu0> Ali_Baba, good for u :)
[04:47] <johnnybezak> slackware are you serious.
[04:47] <johnnybezak> how can you live w/out package management
[04:47] <snugglebunny> johnnybezak, very very easilly.
[04:47] <da_bon_bon> snugglebunny: and now swtiched ?
[04:47] <snugglebunny> Most of the time I get a system set up and very little needs to be changed.
[04:47] <johnnybezak> don't even say it, it hurts my ears
[04:47] <da_bon_bon> johnnybezak: swaret for n00bs :D
[04:47] <snugglebunny> da_bon_bon, yeah, hd failed I was curious about ubuntu
[04:48] <johnnybezak> swaret?
[04:48] <snugglebunny> swaret == destroy slackware automatically
[04:48] <Battletux> can some tell me a package that is only found on the hoary cdrom i just need to test my mounted iso
[04:48] <Battletux> i already have samba-doc and ndiswrapper installed
[04:49] <snugglebunny> ubuntu is nice, but some things are a bit of a pain on it. I'm not convinced that putting applications in /usr/lib is a good idea.
[04:49] <da_bon_bon> snugglebunny: lol./. but good for n00bs :D
[04:49] <peaceyall> can any one help me?
[04:49] <da_bon_bon> snugglebunny: yup. i like /opt :D
[04:49] <snugglebunny> no it's not. Swaret just causes newbs to total their system
[04:49] <Badcel> where are the actions defined, when i press a mousebutton? I played a little bit with my mx510 and now I have two functions on the button in front of the wheel
[04:49] <johnnybezak> da_bon_bon: good for people who don't want to hunt down dependancies :)
[04:50] <Nabiki> I have a stupid off topic question. :P Does anyone know where I can find a channel to ask people questions about MSN messenger. (I know.. As off topic as it gets)
[04:50] <peaceyall`> :/
[04:51] <peaceyall`> why would u need msn messenger
[04:51] <peaceyall`> thats for windows :/
[04:51] <Nabiki> Long story. Hehe.
[04:51] <peaceyall`> sorry i dont know
[04:51] <peaceyall`> lol
[04:51] <Ali_Baba> use Gaim,its good :)
[04:51] <peaceyall`> ya
[04:51] <peaceyall`> just like Ichat
[04:51] <yaaar> word
[04:51] <johnnybezak> Nabiki: whats the problem just use gaim
[04:51] <Nabiki> I am trying to help a friend out. :)  The current version of MSN Messenger has soem jacked up security issues. :P
[04:52] <Ali_Baba> ok :)
[04:52] <johnnybezak> does gaim work
[04:52] <Nabiki> I can use gaim just fine. :)  The person I am helping doesn't use gaim though.  :-P
[04:52] <johnnybezak> or do you just want to discuss msn there is no problem
[04:53] <johnnybezak> oh ok
[04:53] <johnnybezak> have you tried #msn :P
[04:53] <Battletux> other than samba-doc and ndiswrapper what other cd only packages are availalble?
[04:53] <yaaar> you know, i've got a question about gaim while you guys are on the subject.....is there some way to make it dock to a panel applet or something? It's annoying to me to have it always have to be open to receive messages
[04:53] <Nabiki> Hmmm... It's worth a shot. hehehehhehe
[04:53] <johnnybezak> or #windows god forbid hehe :)
[04:53] <Nabiki> Wow.. There is a #MSN.. itty bitty, but it is there. hehe
[04:53] <Nabiki> #windows is asleep. >:) Oh well.
[04:54] <da_bon_bon> Nabiki: use aMSN
[04:54] <johnnybezak> guess freenode is the wrong network :P
[04:54] <Badcel> where are the actions defined, when i press a mousebutton? I played a little bit with my mx510 and now I have two functions on the button which is behind the wheel
[04:55] <yaaar> also, the bigger question (the one I came here about) is on nautilus. For some reason mine is running *crazy* slow on my usb hard drive. It's only connected via usb1.1, but konqueror runs fine on it on the same ubuntu machine. For reference, it usually takes konq about a second or two to open a folder, but the time nautilus takes is measured in minutes. literally....i'm not exaggerating.
[04:55] <Nabiki> If I could get the world to change to Linux of BSD.......  hehehehhe
[04:56] <teknoprep> BSD owns
[04:56] <teknoprep> but for a desktop os?
[04:56] <angelika> yo!!
[04:56] <snugglebunny> Nabiki, and linux would suck as much as windows does. Users will always want secuirty not to hamper their use and will always work to be insecure.
[04:56] <teknoprep> are there really enough ppl working on BSD besides Mac OS X ..
[04:56] <yaaar> teknoprep: there are a couple bsd desktops/laptops hanging around our office
[04:56] <teknoprep> to make it an efficient easy to use desktop os
[04:57] <teknoprep> Mac OS X needs to be ported to x86
[04:57] <teknoprep> i would so go to that for everything
[04:57] <yaaar> teknoprep: it seems to work just fine, assuming the user is unix-competent
[04:57] <teknoprep> Mac OS X is the best
[04:57] <teknoprep> yaaar, no shit
[04:57] <johnnybezak> mac os x is ok, but somethings are a pain
[04:57] <yaaar> teknoprep: don't get me wrong....it's not what you want to switch your granny to
[04:57] <johnnybezak> ex. 1 constantly changing interface
[04:57] <Nabiki> teknoprep:  Mod BSD, and add on a lookalike interface. :)
[04:58] <teknoprep> Nabiki, i don't want a look alike
[04:58] <teknoprep> Nabiki, i want mac os x
[04:58] <da_bon_bon> snugglebunny: u use slack anymore /
[04:58] <teknoprep> da_bon_bon, slack is horrible for anything other then simple network servers
[04:58] <Nabiki> As I said.. Mod BSD... hehe
[04:58] <Nabiki> That is how they got OS X hehe
[04:58] <teknoprep> bleh
[04:58] <johnnybezak> teknoprep. buy a mac :)
[04:59] <teknoprep> does it run Mac OS X pre compiled software
[04:59] <johnnybezak> im on a mac atm
[04:59] <johnnybezak> and i don't use os x
[04:59] <teknoprep> johnnybezak, i am buying one of those 12.1 inch laptops
[04:59] <teknoprep> mac's
[04:59] <IcemanV9> get mini-mac! :P
[04:59] <johnnybezak> teknoprep: the ibooks are nice
[04:59] <teknoprep> nah powerbook
[04:59] <teknoprep> i need more power
[04:59] <johnnybezak> teknoprep: powerbooks are overpriced imho
[04:59] <Myrtti> powa!
[04:59] <johnnybezak> what for ?
[05:00] <IcemanV9> xchat?? haha
[05:00] <teknoprep> i do lots of stuff... and if i notice it slow down i am pissed
[05:00] <teknoprep> alot of network analyzation on high end networks
[05:00] <johnnybezak> teknoprep: everyone knows youre buying it cos its silver :)
[05:00] <teknoprep> lol
[05:00] <teknoprep> ibook is the celeron of macs
[05:00] <johnnybezak> hehe
[05:00] <teknoprep> skrew that
[05:01] <justin> what's a high end network? :-P
[05:01] <teknoprep> the networks here at work
[05:01] <johnnybezak> teknoprep: thats such a load of bs haha
[05:01] <teknoprep> 70 vlan's
[05:01] <justin> only 70? :-)
[05:01] <teknoprep> eirgp configurations on the back end of the network
[05:01] <bigfoot> With Xchat, is there a way to make my PC beep everytime someone writes my nickname?
[05:01] <johnnybezak> i bet the extra 200mhz will make a huge difference :P
[05:01] <teknoprep> lol only 70
[05:01] <nobile> bigfoot yes
[05:02] <teknoprep> each subnet is broken down into 24bit masks... from the 172.16.0.0/12 private address space
[05:02] <teknoprep> since we use the cisco 6509 with router modules
[05:02] <nobile> go to config/preferences/conversation/general
[05:02] <teknoprep> we don't want to use 16bit masks
[05:02] <nobile> there it will ask you which words do you want it to highlight you
[05:02] <johnnybezak> i thought this was #ubuntu not #mynetworksbiggerthanyours :P
[05:02] <teknoprep> the broadcast becomes too big and slows down the switching of the 6509 way too much
[05:03] <teknoprep> so if anyting thinks i am bullshit.. you can blow me
[05:03] <Rotundo> With the totem plugin no matter what the video is I get a "No URI handler implemented for "fd://0" error, anyone know what this is and how to fix it?
[05:03] <teknoprep> the idiots upstairs use sniffer.. which they paid like 10g for.. i still use ethereal
[05:03] <teknoprep> free
[05:03] <Badcel> where are the actions defined, when i press a mousebutton? I have two functions on the button which is behind the wheel
[05:03] <teknoprep> also if anyone has a question on linux networking..
[05:03] <teknoprep> <--- i am the person to ask
[05:04] <johnnybezak> Badcel: in xfree i think
[05:04] <johnnybezak> teknoprep: it's ok no1 is dissing your networks man you can relax :)
[05:04] <gangalee> Has anyone installed Zope? what was the default user & pass?
[05:04] <johnnybezak> Badcel: sorry xorg config
[05:05] <teknoprep> johnnybezak teknoprep: thats such a load of bs haha
[05:05] <johnnybezak> teknoprep: i meant about the ibooks
[05:05] <johnnybezak> :P
[05:05] <teknoprep> oh
[05:05] <teknoprep> you faulker
[05:05] <johnnybezak> hehe
[05:05] <johnnybezak> it was worth it for the reaction though
[05:06] <teknoprep> yeah i could care less if you talk about ibooks that way
[05:06] <teknoprep> but not MY networks lol
[05:06] <teknoprep> took me along time to get shit to run like this
[05:06] <teknoprep> it was so skrewed up when i started
[05:06] <johnnybezak> and i was pumped when i got samba working haha
[05:06] <teknoprep> they were using asante switches and hubs with one big subnet
[05:06] <teknoprep> and the subnet wasn't even on a private address space
[05:06] <teknoprep> it was owned by a company in germany
[05:07] <teknoprep> johnnybezak, you should try www.webmin.com
[05:07] <teknoprep> johnnybezak, you can setup samba for a tone of stuff in like 2 minutes with webmin
[05:07] <johnnybezak> haha tcp/ip theory makes my brain hurt
[05:07] <teknoprep> blhe
[05:07] <teknoprep> bleh even
[05:08] <Alex> Hey, how can I reset my root password to the way it was on install? Ie, can't su, but doesn't get prompted for it if there's an fsck error on boto
[05:08] <teknoprep> what part of it makes your head hurt
[05:08] <johnnybezak> its existance haha no i just start reading about it and the jargon gets too intense
[05:08] <teknoprep> the ACK SYN.. OSI layers.. how the bytes break down inthe headers
[05:08] <teknoprep> what
[05:08] <bigfoot> is there a way to get emailto: links in firefox to open up to gmail webmail service?
[05:09] <teknoprep> you mean how they setup routing with routing protocols
[05:09] <johnnybezak> i've read the network admin guide over at tldp.org but it just goes in one ear and out the other
[05:09] <teknoprep> thats is crazy that it hasn't crashed yet
[05:09] <teknoprep> read www.lartc.org first
[05:09] <Blissex> johnnybezak: much to read you have, young padawan. :-)
[05:10] <teknoprep> then try reading stuff like.. http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/
[05:10] <teknoprep> lol Blissex
[05:10] <johnnybezak> Blissex: lol
[05:10] <Alex> I ended up changing it in a stupid moment../
[05:11] <Blissex> Alex: as long it was not your gender by going to a surgery :-)
[05:12] <AirWays> I put KDE to my Ubuntu, Now when I click once some Icon it open immediately, I want to it open when I doubleclick it, how I can do that?
[05:12] <Tron|BoRG> Hi all!
[05:12] <teknoprep> AirWays, open up Control Center
[05:12] <AirWays> Ok
[05:12] <AirWays> Then?
[05:12] <teknoprep> Periphials -> Mouse
[05:12] <teknoprep> its under the General Tab
[05:13] <teknoprep> you should install kubuntu-desktop
[05:13] <johnnybezak> he has
[05:13] <Blissex> AirWays: that's the KDE way of doing things, you need to learn to adapt to that.
[05:13] <AirWays> This is Kubuntu-desktop
[05:13] <johnnybezak> Blissex: you don't have to though
[05:14] <AirWays> Thanks
[05:14] <Blissex> johnnybezak: of course, but I find that usually it is best to go with the grain of how things are meant to work...
[05:14] <johnnybezak> Blissex: yeah but that single click thing sure is annoying haha
[05:14] <johnnybezak> Blissex: as is spatial nautilus mac os 9 is dead hehe
[05:14] <johnnybezak> let it die :)
[05:15] <Blissex> johnnybezak: admittedly I found the single click rather annoying to at first.
[05:15] <johnnybezak> Nabiki: yeah
[05:15] <johnnybezak> its the next version anyway
[05:15] <johnnybezak> breezy badger
[05:15] <Blissex> johnnybezak: then I discovered how to select without opening things :-)
[05:15] <Nabiki> Cool.hehe.   From the topic I would guess it is VERY unstable. hehehe
[05:15] <teknoprep> Blissex, why does AirWays have to adapt to the kde way of things
[05:16] <johnnybezak> Nabiki: yeah i think so hoary hasn't been out for long so naturally its pretty raw
[05:16] <johnnybezak> i guess they want to work in peace for a while before the bug reports start rolling in
[05:16] <johnnybezak> teknoprep: i think blissex was saying its better to give the defaults ago, theyre prolly defaults for a reason
[05:18] <Blissex> johnnybezak: it is not so much a reason, because either way is good.
[05:18] <Blissex> johnnybezak: but that usually something like ''single click'' implies a number of other design details that then dont fit well with a different choice, even if it is possible.
[05:18] <johnnybezak> its like (i hope you guys get the analogy) defaults on a game control, moving the buttons around will probably make bad habits
[05:19] <teknoprep> wtf
[05:19] <teknoprep> johnnybezak, bad analogy
[05:19] <johnnybezak> hehe youre not much of a gamer?
[05:19] <teknoprep> eq2 and wow
[05:19] <teknoprep> america's army
[05:19] <johnnybezak> Blissex: yeah i understand
[05:20] <teknoprep> johnnybezak, play wow on default settings
[05:20] <johnnybezak> wow ought to be banned as an illegal drug. since my house mate got it he has dropped out of uni :D
[05:21] <Blissex> johnnybezak: there are a few others like that -- Wesnoth is a freeware equivalent...
[05:21] <teknoprep> i have ctrl + # ... alt + # .. and # ... (# = ((0-9)+ (-) & (=))
[05:21] <Nabiki> O.O
[05:21] <teknoprep> so thats alot of shit.. 36 spells and actions in all
[05:21] <teknoprep> i have eq2 setup the same way
[05:21] <teknoprep> love playing a healer
[05:21] <teknoprep> since not too many ppl do in those games...
[05:22] <Blissex> teknoprep: in any case if you really want double click, as johnnybezak said it is in the control panel. 'Peripherals>Mouse>Double click to open files'
[05:22] <teknoprep> i already said that
[05:22] <johnnybezak> Blissex: you use kde?
[05:22] <teknoprep> i didn't want it foo
[05:22] <teknoprep> Blissex, i was telling someone else how to doit
[05:22] <teknoprep> Blissex, read above more carefully
[05:22] <Blissex> teknoprep: sorry I got confused...
[05:22] <teknoprep> Blissex, i already am on double click
[05:22] <teknoprep> Blissex, i am one that needs little help...
[05:23] <Blissex> teknoprep: you should ahve given single click a chance...
[05:23] <johnnybezak> you do alright on your own do you
[05:23] <teknoprep> Blissex, although i am still looking on how to configure ctnetlink for redundant firewall connections using UCARP.. this should be able to synch the connection tracking table between 2 or more iptables/routing firewall's... giving you an ip clustering/NLB solutions
[05:23] <teknoprep> so if anyone knows ctnetlink iptables patch.. i would love to hear if you got that working
[05:24] <Blissex> teknoprep: thats not got much to do with KDE :-)
[05:24] <johnnybezak> what the hell
[05:24] <Blissex> teknoprep: you tried #iptables?
[05:24] <teknoprep> nope
[05:24] <nammy> anyone know what (if anything) is up with the torrent.ubuntu.com tracker, i'm getting connection refused
[05:24] <teknoprep> yup
[05:24] <teknoprep> thye don't know either
[05:24] <johnnybezak> so do you run kde blissex
[05:24] <teknoprep> hell they didn't even know it existed
[05:24] <teknoprep> i asked for days about it
[05:24] <teknoprep> nothing
[05:24] <Blissex> johnnybezak: yes...
[05:24] <johnnybezak> Blissex: cool, do you use gnome too or just kde
[05:24] <teknoprep> i had to find out that ctnetlink existed from the guys in #pf ... which is the BSD firewalling system
[05:25] <felicitas> hallo
[05:25] <Blissex> teknoprep: if you say what you are trying to achieve with that, perhaps it could be better, lets say I can find imaginative solutions...
[05:25] <teknoprep> and already has an easy to use system for connection tracking synchronization between multiple servers with pfsync
[05:25] <gangalee> Has anyone installed Zope? what was the default user & pass?
[05:25] <johnnybezak> whats zope
[05:25] <teknoprep> Blissex, ?
[05:25] <Funraiser> how come the equalizer plugins are free in windows and non free in linux ? :-/
[05:25] <johnnybezak> Funraiser: what for>?
[05:25] <teknoprep> Blissex, if you can find an "imaginative" solution for something that has not yet been done in the open source comunity..  i would love to hear it
[05:26] <felicitas> does anybody know which driver i need for  winmod- slmodem 56k
[05:26] <Blissex> johnnybezak: I used first just TWM/VTWM as a window manager, then FVWM and FVWM2 for about ten years, with a bit of KDE, and then now I have switched to almost only KDE.
[05:26] <Funraiser> in xmms i mean sorry
[05:26] <Nabiki> Cause there is a different between "Free" and "free" hehe
[05:26] <Nabiki> >:P
[05:26] <Blissex> teknoprep: try to say what you are trying to achieve...
[05:26] <teknoprep> Blissex, the Symnatec SGS Gateway 5200 seriest runs that with iptables
[05:26] <Badness45> vlc doesn't play any sound
[05:26] <teknoprep> ip clustering
[05:26] <teknoprep> FWLB
[05:26] <johnnybezak> Blissex: oh yeah i used to be a big kde fan, but i like gnome atm. the only thing i dont like is the ugly icons
[05:26] <Funraiser> how come the equalizer plugins for xmms are free in windows and non free in linux ?
[05:27] <johnnybezak> Funraiser: do you mean free as in beer?
[05:27] <Nabiki> The stuff under windows is freeware, but it is not open source, so the people who produce a port have to do so a bit touch and go, which takes time. So they choose wether or not to make them free.  As for xmms stuff, not a clue. O.o
[05:27] <Blissex> Funraiser: there is probably a difference between ''free of money'' and 'freely sharable''.
[05:27] <Blissex> teknoprep: but what kind of IP clustering?
[05:27] <Funraiser> it's 10 $ each for xmms...
[05:28] <johnnybezak> wierd
[05:28] <Nabiki> Are the pluggins needed?
[05:28] <Nabiki> Or are they just 'nice to have' ?
[05:28] <teknoprep> using more then one box as a firewall/router... then being able to use them for network load balancing... network load balancing with linux needs to be achieved in 2 ways.. first you need to have software that has failover and arp answering on lowest in use server.. Hence UCARP.. UCARP is bsd's carp ported to linux.... then you need to have connection tracking for the firewall part of iptables so no matter what server is being talked to it knows t
[05:28] <teknoprep> he connection tracking for where to send the originating packet
[05:28] <Funraiser> well when u listen to Handel yes
[05:28] <Funraiser> Nabiki, well when u listen to Handel yes
[05:28] <johnnybezak> Funraiser: nice 1
[05:28] <teknoprep> as of now i only have failover between 2 servers using heartbeat for my firewall's
[05:28] <Funraiser> work a of genius
[05:29] <Nabiki> Handel? Is that a new format, or the classical musician? ^^ (I probably sound stupid now)
[05:29] <teknoprep> i would like to incorporate Firewall Load Balancing
[05:29] <Funraiser> classical
[05:29] <johnnybezak> hehe would be a good name for a plugin
[05:29] <nammy> anyone know if there is an alternative ubuntu bittorrent tracker? =(
[05:29] <johnnybezak> hes a composer
[05:29] <Funraiser> lol
[05:29] <Blissex> teknoprep: it sounds like you are trying to do per-packet load balancing...
[05:29] <Tron|BoRG> how about azureus
[05:29] <johnnybezak> i had a german lecturer who brought up his fav. german composers all the time
[05:29] <johnnybezak> nammy: what fo?
[05:29] <Nabiki> How does the plugin impact upon the writer of the song?
[05:30] <nammy> torrent.ubuntu.com seems to be refusing connections
[05:30] <GNAM> I cannot download UBUNTU DVD
[05:30] <teknoprep> Blissex, you got it...
[05:30] <Funraiser> johnnybezak, Bach probably..
[05:30] <johnnybezak> i think he was saying he likes his music tweaked
[05:30] <GNAM> yes
[05:30] <GNAM> torrent doesn't works
[05:30] <Blissex> teknoprep: but that's pretty much insane...
[05:30] <Nabiki> And there are no free of cost equalizers?
[05:30] <teknoprep> Blissex, no matter what server the packet traverses, each server already knows what to do with it
[05:30] <GNAM> problems connetting to tracker "connection refused"
[05:30] <Funraiser> Nabiki, well i haven't found any for xmms
[05:30] <johnnybezak> Funraiser: no wagner i think :)
[05:30] <Funraiser> k
[05:30] <Nabiki> I see.
[05:30] <teknoprep> Blissex, its easily accomplished with pfsync on bsd and using CARP application for VIP's
[05:30] <GNAM> ubuntu DVDs are down
[05:31] <teknoprep> pf owns you
[05:31] <MasterYoda> what is the proper pronunciation of ubuntu
[05:31] <synd> you-BOON-too
[05:31] <teknoprep> ew bun too
[05:31] <johnnybezak> oo boon 2
[05:31] <Blissex> teknoprep: the problem is that the servers need to be in lockstep, or else that the protocol is single packet only...
[05:31] <synd> not you
[05:31] <pschulz01> Greetings... I think I have found a bug in Nautilis (hoary) - ftp client.
[05:31] <teknoprep> bleh Blissex
[05:31] <pschulz01> Anyone interested in checking something out for me?
[05:31] <Funraiser> you boon too?
[05:31] <johnnybezak> its oo isnt it
[05:31] <synd> Funraiser: no
[05:32] <synd> "u"
[05:32] <Funraiser> (joke)
[05:32] <synd> when i type "u" w/o parenthesis, it replaces it with you :/
[05:32] <Funraiser> boon is a city in NC
[05:32] <Funraiser> appalachian
[05:32] <teknoprep> if you synchronize the connection tracking tables... for your routing ( which includes nat )... it  won't matter what server the packet traverses to get to its destination...
[05:32] <Blissex> teknoprep: if you have less extreme requirements there are lots of ''load sharing'' systems for Linux, however they are mostly per-connection, not per-packet, load balancing.
[05:32] <teknoprep> so if you send a packet..like htis
[05:32] <synd> Funraiser: i grew up on the hills of appalachia
[05:32] <Funraiser> well thanks for your answers, SUL
[05:33] <Funraiser> synd, in NC?
[05:33] <synd> Funraiser: KY
[05:33] <johnnybezak> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/pronunciation
[05:33] <mito> hola
[05:33] <Funraiser> synd, not far from cold mountain then?
[05:34] <synd> Funraiser: yeap
[05:34] <Blissex> synd: and a lot of people make jokes about inbreeding when you are around? :-)
[05:34] <pschulz01> What is the version of Nautius that is being tested?
[05:34] <Funraiser> ok thanks again all, SUL
[05:34] <synd> Blissex: funny because they are jokes.. but are true : )
[05:34] <Blissex> pschulz01: that is more for #GNOME I guess
[05:34] <teknoprep> Blissex, 192.168.10.5/24 sends a packet to 192.168.150.12/24... and .5's packet tracerse's router 192.168.10.1(this router is a linux router with carp... and lets say router 1 answers)... connection tracking logs this in the kernel so source and destionation is now know for when the packet returns... all you need to do is synch this to router 02... and it will run as if it was router 01 if the packets returning on the estrablished/related connecti
[05:34] <teknoprep> on go through router 02 and not router 01... hence not broken connections over 2 or more servers acting as firewall's
[05:35] <Hatred> hey all
[05:35] <synd> anyone play with the new netscape?
[05:35] <Battletux> nope
[05:35] <synd> wonder if its gonna be avail for linux
[05:35] <johnnybezak> nope i couldnt even find screenshots
[05:35] <teknoprep> Blissex, iptables can do per connection NAT
[05:35] <johnnybezak> netscape.com is a friggin joke
[05:36] <synd> firefox is based off netscape architechure
[05:36] <teknoprep> Blissex, its a cheap way of doing NLB, but the fail-over has to reside on the servers you NAT to
[05:36] <johnnybezak> and netscape is now based on firefox
[05:36] <johnnybezak> hehe
[05:36] <teknoprep> ctnetlink is going to achieve what i want for linux... what pfsync has done for pf in BSD
[05:36] <teknoprep> this owns
[05:36] <teknoprep> ctnetlink i don't thinks it done yet tho
[05:37] <RichardC> 5.04 uses X.org, right?
[05:37] <Hatred> i keep getting these strange errors every time i try to use apt-get... ---> E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room || E: Error occured while processing libhdf4g-doc (NewVersion1)
[05:37] <Hatred> can anyone help?
[05:38] <synd> the new netscape looks nice
[05:38] <johnnybezak> have you tried to apt-get update
[05:38] <Hatred> yea
[05:38] <Hatred> lol
[05:38] <Hatred> Reading Package Lists... Error!
[05:38] <Hatred> it doesn't even get this far man :p
[05:38] <johnnybezak> haha you have now officialy exhausted my apt knowledge
[05:38] <Hatred> ha!
[05:38] <Hatred> that's promising....
[05:39] <Hatred> i tried to edit the apt.conf file
[05:39] <IcemanV9> RichardC: yep
[05:39] <Hatred> but it seems i don't have one
[05:39] <johnnybezak> Hatred: so youve broken apt?
[05:39] <Hatred> i haven't touched it!
[05:39] <Hatred> lol
[05:39] <johnnybezak> haha sure you havent
[05:39] <Hatred> used it yesterday
[05:39] <Hatred> today it's borked
[05:39] <RichardC> can i get the latest radeon drivers from apt-get?
[05:39] <cusco> Hatred: is it /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
[05:40] <cusco> or not
[05:40] <cusco> forget it
[05:40] <ogami1972> folks- i have a question re: RAR archives and XFCE on an ubuntu machine
[05:40] <Hatred> no thats there
[05:40] <Hatred> but it's a folder
[05:40] <johnnybezak> can someone link to ns8 screenys
[05:40] <ogami1972> any takers?
[05:40] <johnnybezak> ogami1972: shoot
[05:40] <johnnybezak> we might be able to help
[05:41] <ogami1972> ok- my brother is trying to open a RAR, but there is no file assoc- all packages, i.e. ark, unrar, etc., are in place
[05:41] <ogami1972> right click throws a dialog, but i use gnome, and it is unfamilliar
[05:42] <james_> ogami1972, just use file-roller
[05:42] <ogami1972> i thought so to- hadd him launch it w/alt-f2, but it won't open the file- i am long distance, so i am not sure of what he is seeing
[05:43] <ogami1972> just thought i would get a 2nd opinion
[05:43] <metalsand2> Eh, can anyone help me out with a basic HTML question? I'm trying to get the zebra on the FAR left of the page, so you can't see its side... www.zebrasoncrack.com/personal/index.html
[05:43] <IcemanV9> RichardC: whatever they have is the latest version ... i believe it's xorg-driver-fglrx (6.8.0-8.25)
[05:44] <GNAM> why tracker offline!
[05:44] <ogami1972> hmmm- anyway- thanks johnny and james
[05:44] <johnnybezak> metalsand: why dont you get rid of the edge of the zebra
[05:44] <chocoIate> what is so special about suse linux ; i see their enterprise edition costs a fortune :P
[05:44] <james_> metalsand2, try css
[05:44] <RichardC> can i get the latest ati radeon graphics drivers from apt-get?
[05:44] <RichardC> alright
[05:45] <johnnybezak> ogami1972: did it work
[05:45] <chocoIate> http://www.novell.com/products/linuxenterpriseserver/pricing.html
[05:45] <Hatred> I keep getting these strange errors every time i try to use apt-get... ---> E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room || E: Error occured while processing libhdf4g-doc (NewVersion1)
[05:45] <Hatred> can anyone help?
[05:45] <johnnybezak> metalsand2: have you had a look at css it is way easier than html for layout stuff
[05:45] <chocoIate> expensive :o ; are any of the features supported in suse linux supported also and the same in ubuntu :o
[05:45] <Nabiki> well,I will talk to you guys later. :)
[05:45] <nammy> hatred: out of pure curiosity, none of your harddive partitions are full are they?
[05:46] <Hatred> not that i know of,
[05:46] <Hatred> though i'm not entirely sure... how i'd go about finding that out
[05:46] <johnnybezak> df -h
[05:46] <johnnybezak> check
[05:46] <nammy> yah
[05:46] <johnnybezak> it
[05:46] <nammy> df -h
[05:46] <james_> do you need to buy a memory kit to use dual-channel memory? or will buying 2 identical sticks do the trick?
[05:47] <Hatred> no, none of them are full
[05:47] <johnnybezak> write that one down :)
[05:47] <chocoIate> what are all the others commercial distros trying to sell that is not available in ubuntu
[05:47] <Hatred> home folders at 32%
[05:47] <chocoIate> i still dont have a working modem by the way
[05:47] <johnnybezak> chocoLate: nothin haha
[05:47] <johnnybezak> chocoIate: nothin haha
[05:47] <johnnybezak> sorry
[05:47] <chocoIate> are you sure :o
[05:47] <chocoIate> its a lot of money they are charging
[05:47] <johnnybezak> well suse used to have YAST
[05:48] <johnnybezak> but novell open sourced that
[05:48] <johnnybezak> what else were you thinking of?
[05:48] <chocoIate> so, cant you have yast on ubuntu :o
[05:48] <johnnybezak> i think you could yeah
[05:48] <chocoIate> is that a package i can download and setup :o
[05:48] <elkid> johnnybezak, is YAST in other distro dif than suse?
[05:48] <johnnybezak> elkid: no idea
[05:48] <johnnybezak> it probably wouldn't work
[05:48] <chocoIate> so, whats so special about suse that they feel they need to charge you money for its usage
[05:49] <johnnybezak> im not sure if any other distros use yast
[05:49] <elkid> why is that
[05:49] <chocoIate> i'm trying to find motivation to purchasing suse
[05:49] <johnnybezak> chocoIate: you can get suse iso's off the net i think
[05:49] <chocoIate> yes, but you cannot update it later
[05:49] <nammy> hatred: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
[05:49] <johnnybezak> chochoIate: why not
[05:49] <nammy> look about halfway down that page
[05:50] <chocoIate> because its a commercial distro ; you must pay for subscription if you want updates
[05:50] <Hatred> ty nammy
[05:50] <nammy> not certain that it applies, but it could be worth a shot
[05:50] <nammy> np
[05:50] <johnnybezak> chocoIate: i dont think it is anymore since novell took over
[05:50] <johnnybezak> chochoIate: mandrake is commercial too and you can update it
[05:50] <Hatred> nammy- aah yea i came across this before
[05:50] <Hatred> however there's a problem
[05:51] <Hatred> i don't ahve an apt.conf
[05:51] <Hatred> :\
[05:51] <nammy> well that's no good
[05:51] <elkid> why is that
[05:51] <Hatred> /etc/apt/apt.conf != exsistance
[05:51] <johnnybezak> chocoIate: is your modem a winmodem?
[05:52] <pepsi> aw crap
[05:52] <nammy> hatred: create it
[05:52] <chocoIate> no, : http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?8:msn:18563
[05:52] <pepsi> i have 50 minutes to get there
[05:52] <pepsi> oh wait
[05:52] <nammy> and put that single line in it
[05:52] <nammy> and see what happens
[05:52] <kjoonlee> hullo,
[05:52] <chocoIate> from liable, he found that post for me :P
[05:52] <Hatred> nammy- I have, and i have
[05:52] <Hatred> and no luck :(
[05:52] <nammy> oh =(
[05:52] <nammy> well damn.
[05:52] <chocoIate> now i want to try and fix my external usb modem if possible but there seem to be a lot of complicated steps since I dont have ACM modules :S
[05:53] <kjoonlee> does anyone have problems with shortcut keys with AMD64 breezy gnome-terminal, galeon, and gimp?
[05:53] <Hatred>  <cusco> Hatred: is it /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
[05:53] <johnnybezak> sorry im wrong it's not according to the guys at #suse
[05:53] <Hatred> that's the only file i have in etc/apt/ that resembles a conf file
[05:53] <Hatred> and it's a folder
[05:54] <chocoIate> http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x332.html <-- what does this mean -->> "You need to select the USB Modem (CDC ACM) support kernel option"
[05:54] <chocoIate> where do i select this option :S
[05:54] <johnnybezak> i dont have an apt.conf either
[05:54] <Hatred> johnnybezak- see what i mean
[05:54] <Chiletix> Hello
[05:54] <johnnybezak> chocoIate i think thats if your going to build the kernel yourself
[05:54] <Hatred> the help for this issue must be redundant
[05:54] <johnnybezak> Hatred: so I dont think you need it do you
[05:54] <chocoIate> what are you wrong about johnnybezak
[05:55] <chocoIate> well, how do i build a kernel or what does building your own kernel mean :S
[05:55] <johnnybezak> suse being free as in beer
[05:55] <Chiletix> does anybody now why amarok dont recognizes my sound ?
[05:55] <johnnybezak> Chiletix: what does it say when you run it from the cli?
[05:55] <johnnybezak> chocoIate: it means pain haha
[05:55] <chocoIate> ahh, its not ; i think they are competing with microsoft price wise ; i find them as expensive as ms if not a little bit cheaper :P
[05:56] <Chiletix> johnnybezak, sorry, what is cli?
[05:56] <johnnybezak> sorry command line interface
[05:56] <johnnybezak> why do you want suse
[05:56] <Dittohead> I've got 1gb of ram, but it seems Ubuntu only detects  855mb of it, it works just fine in windows and when I had gentoo. Does this mean the stock kernel doesn't include hi mem support??
[05:56] <johnnybezak> chocoIate: mb if you update your kernel it will work
[05:56] <kjoonlee> Dittohead, stock kernels should support up to 4GB.
[05:56] <Hatred> johnnybezak- but i do need it
[05:56] <Hatred> coz if i don't have it
[05:57] <chocoIate> how do i update my kernel :o
[05:57] <Hatred> i can't solve my problem
[05:57] <Hatred> and use apt-get
[05:57] <Hatred> so i don't know what to do
[05:57] <johnnybezak> is your sources.list ok?
[05:57] <chocoIate> i did an lsmod and the ACM modules are there in the list
[05:57] <Chiletix> johnnybezak, It said that it will use de the null something, I dont remeber very well
[05:57] <chocoIate> what sources.list :o
[05:57] <Dittohead> Well, whatever ubuntu installed I don't have my full 1gb ram
[05:57] <chocoIate> i have the latest hoary installed
[05:58] <chocoIate> and it does not have ACM modules
[05:58] <johnnybezak> Chiletix: haha copy the output and type it into #flood
[05:58] <chocoIate> and the only way to get this it seems is to build a custom kernel
[05:58] <chocoIate> is this complicated :o
[05:58] <johnnybezak> chocoIate: whats the output of uname -a
[05:58] <chocoIate> 2.6.10-5-386
[05:59] <chocoIate> how old is that :o
[05:59] <Hatred> johnnybezak- yea it's fine
[05:59] <johnnybezak> Hatred: hmmm
[05:59] <chocoIate> cant be that old considered i installed the latest build hoary :P
[05:59] <nammy-> hatred: you have an /etc/apt/apt.conf.d dir?
[06:00] <johnnybezak> not old at all
[06:00] <chocoIate> do you have ACM modules when you do an lsmod johnnybezak :o
[06:00] <Seveas> chocoIate, have you considered switching to a 686/K7 kernel?
[06:00] <henry> can anyone suggest a better irc client than xchat on ubuntu (newbie here)
[06:00] <Seveas> they seem to come with more modules
[06:00] <Chiletix> johnnybezak, QObject::connect: Cannot connect Engine::Base::statusText( const QString& ) to (null)::shortMessage( const QString& )
[06:00] <Seveas> henry, depends on what yo call better
[06:00] <chocoIate> i did, i switched to k7 ; didnt find ACM in there
[06:00] <Hatred> yea nammy i do
[06:01] <johnnybezak> Chiletix what happens when you press play
[06:01] <chocoIate> what is 686 :o ; i have AMD not pentium processors
[06:01] <henry> seveas: better interface
[06:01] <Seveas> 686 is for pentium
[06:01] <Chiletix> nothing
[06:01] <Dittohead> henry, Not one that's easy to use like xchat. Other include BitchX, irssi, but they're ncurses based, that is they are on the command line
[06:01] <Hatred> henry- xchat is prettu ugly
[06:01] <Chiletix> johnnybezak, nothing happens
[06:01] <Hatred> i use it now though
[06:01] <nammy> well.. i'm not sure exactly how it's setup, but it appears that apt.conf directives are put in the files which reside in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
[06:01] <Hatred> hated it when i first gotta
[06:01] <nammy> so you might try adding that line to one of them
[06:01] <johnnybezak> Chiletix does it say anying in the cli?
[06:01] <Hatred> but just mess with the repferences/colours/text events
[06:01] <chocoIate> yeah i thought so, well there you go : do you have ACM when you do lsmod Seveas :o
[06:01] <Seveas> chocoIate, try find /lib/modules -name *acm*
[06:01] <johnnybezak> chocoIate: no i dont
[06:02] <Seveas> chocoIate, i didn't load it
[06:02] <Chiletix> not anymore
[06:02] <chocoIate> there is nothing Seveas : i searched in there
[06:02] <henry> what irc client are u all using?
[06:02] <teknoprep> is there an x86_64 version of ubuntu
[06:02] <chocoIate> well, what version do you have Seveas :o
[06:02] <Seveas> weird, so it comes only on 686
[06:02] <Seveas> teknoprep, yes
[06:02] <johnnybezak> there is a newer kernel. 2.6.11
[06:02] <teknoprep> Seveas, nice
[06:02] <Seveas> chocoIate, 5-686
[06:02] <Chiletix> johnnybezak, dont want to say anithing more
[06:02] <mwh_> Hi I just installed gcj, but get this error when running gcj: libgcj.spec: No such file or directory
[06:02] <mwh_> I use Ubuntu Hoary
[06:02] <johnnybezak> Chiletix: it doesnt say anything
[06:02] <chocoIate> johnnybezak ; and can i install this new kernel :o
[06:03] <Chiletix> johnnybezak, it just dont want to play,
[06:03] <johnnybezak> Chiletix: its amarok-arts installed?
[06:03] <Seveas> henry, i use xchat
[06:03] <johnnybezak> Chiletix: is there anywhere you can change the output drivers
[06:03] <Seveas> mwh_, how exactly did you install gcj?
[06:03] <Chiletix> dont now, wait a minute
[06:03] <johnnybezak> chocoIate: yeah in synaptic
[06:03] <chocoIate> i highest number i see is 2.6.10 in here : http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/
[06:03] <mwh_> Seveas: with synaptic
[06:04] <mwh_> Seveas: marked gcj for installation
[06:04] <Chiletix> I cant find that for the output drivers
[06:04] <chocoIate> where are you getting 2.6.11 from :o
[06:04] <mwh_> Seveas: maybe I need more stuff installed
[06:04] <mwh_> Seveas: how about the classpaths?
[06:04] <Seveas> chocoIate, it's in universe (so unsupported and iirc no restricted modules)
[06:04] <chocoIate> unsupported : is that a bad thing :o
[06:04] <johnnybezak> chocoIate: no
[06:05] <teknoprep> anyone else have the problem with transperacies and ATI drivers
[06:05] <Seveas> chocoIate, the acm module IS in the k7 kernel!!
[06:05] <teknoprep> that when turning trans. on in xorg.conf it crashes the fglrx module
[06:05] <Seveas> chocoIate, try: modprobe cdc-acm
[06:05] <Seveas> when you boot to the k7 kernel
[06:05] <mwh_> anyone who has gcj going?
[06:05] <dabaSlon_slp> chocoIate: hi, just thought Id say hi...:) I just woke up, I gotta go do some stuff.
[06:05] <johnnybezak> teknoprep: its all beta after all could be a bug
[06:06] <teknoprep> johnnybezak, i know
[06:06] <Chiletix> johnnybezak, I didn't had the engines installed
[06:06] <we2by> teknoprep, I think composite is still under development
[06:06] <teknoprep> johnnybezak, it is
[06:06] <chocoIate> hey dabaSlon_slp :PpPpP
[06:06] <chocoIate> how it going
[06:06] <dabaSlon_hmwrk> hi
[06:06] <johnnybezak> Chiletix: you install them?
[06:06] <chocoIate> as you can see i'm still here trying to fix my modem
[06:06] <Chiletix> just noe
[06:06] <Chiletix> now
[06:06] <dabaSlon_hmwrk> yeah.
[06:06] <johnnybezak> crappy modem haha
[06:06] <Seveas> chocoIate, did you read my last lines?
[06:07] <chocoIate> i will try that Seveas
[06:07] <dabaSlon_hmwrk> mwh_: hey, why are you trying to get that going?
[06:07] <teknoprep> ls
[06:07] <chocoIate> are you sure its in there, coz earlier this morning i checked and i didnt find any acm modules
[06:07] <Seveas> chocoIate, i just installed linux k7
[06:07] <Seveas> and it finds it
[06:07] <mwh_> dabaSlon_hmwrk: I would like to compile a java program
[06:08] <Seveas> it's even there for the generic 386 kernel
[06:08] <mwh_> dabaSlon_hmwrk: is gcj not the way to go about it?
[06:08] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ find /lib/modules -name *acm*
[06:08] <Seveas> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.ko
[06:08] <Seveas> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.ko
[06:08] <Seveas> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.ko
[06:08] <johnnybezak> what is k7?
[06:08] <Chiletix> johnnybezak, now its playing, but without sound
[06:08] <dabaSlon_hmwrk> mwh_: I was trying with gcj as well, but I gave up in the end, it is harder than I can figure out...I use the javac, from sun.
[06:08] <CrippsFX> does ubuntu have good wifi pcmcia card support?
[06:08] <johnnybezak> Chiletix: is the volume up?>
[06:08] <Seveas> k7 is for amd processors
[06:08] <chocoIate> hmm
[06:08] <mwh_> dabaSlon_hmwrk: ill try jikes instead
[06:08] <chocoIate> i will verify later and see
[06:08] <Seveas> CrippsFX, depends on the card
[06:08] <CrippsFX> I have a sitecom 802.11.g pcmcia card.
[06:09] <chocoIate> and what can you tell me about those builds in universe
[06:09] <chocoIate> is unsupported not good ;-?
[06:09] <Seveas> CrippsFX, what chipset?
[06:09] <johnnybezak> chocoIate: its fine
[06:09] <johnnybezak> most packages are unsupported
[06:09] <chocoIate> will i have problems when running :o
[06:09] <johnnybezak> don't worry about it
[06:09] <dr_willis> Life is Unsupported. :P
[06:09] <CrippsFX> Seveas, to tell the truth, I have no idea.
[06:09] <mwh_> ahh jikes works
[06:09] <dabaSlon_hmwrk> mwh_: sure, yuou can try anything, hopefully you get it going:) I had to stick with javac...especially cause it is mainly just for compiling simple [programs for school.
[06:09] <CrippsFX> lol .. okay, maybe not "supported" .... but at least working  ;)
[06:09] <chocoIate> i see a 2.6.12 even
[06:09] <Seveas> CrippsFX, well, basically any card can work with ndiswrapper and windows drivers
[06:09] <johnnybezak> no it just means that nooone at ubuntu is supporting the package
[06:10] <Chiletix> johnnybezak, yes it is
[06:10] <Seveas> CrippsFX, but true linux drivers are preferred :)
[06:10] <mwh_> dabaSlon_hmwrk: jikes works :)
[06:10] <mwh_> much easier to setup than gcj
[06:10] <johnnybezak> Chiletix: are you using kde or gnome
[06:10] <CrippsFX> Seveas, kk. so if it doesn't work ootb, than I'll read up on ndiswrapper.
[06:10] <chocoIate> ok, thanks for the help and verification Seveas
[06:10] <CrippsFX> thanks. :)
[06:10] <chocoIate> cdc-acm = acm ;-?
[06:10] <Chiletix> gnome
[06:10] <chocoIate> are they the same things :o
[06:10] <chocoIate> or supposed to be the same and function in the same manner
[06:11] <Chiletix> bye
[06:11] <johnnybezak> Chiletix: do you have any other kde sound apps? is sound working in gnome?
[06:11] <Chiletix> dont now
[06:12] <Chiletix> johnnybezak, dont now, I have to go!
[06:12] <chocoIate> the reason i want to get acm is because i'm trying to follow this guide here -->> http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;921278514;fp;512;fpid;1626109420
[06:12] <Chiletix> johnnybezak, thankyou aniway
[06:12] <Chiletix> bye
[06:13] <chocoIate> they say there : You will need at least three kernel modules loaded to get a USB modem working. They are usbcore - the base USB module; usb-uhci - the Universal Host Controller Interface (UHCI) root hub driver used in most Intel-based systems (use usb-ohci if yours is an Open HCI); and ACM - the Abstract Control Model driver. If these didn't come pre-compiled then re-compile your kernel with these drivers as modules.
[06:13] <DaBlade> crimsun_ are you here?
[06:13] <Maidenb> what is the root password???
[06:13] <chocoIate> now i have the first one, that one loaded fine usbcore
[06:13] <dr_willis> Maidenb,  same as the users password
[06:13] <chocoIate> usb-uhci and acm came up with file not found errors
[06:13] <Maidenb> whaat???
[06:13] <Seveas> chocoIate, try lsmod | grep usb
[06:14] <Seveas> what does it say?
[06:14] <dr_willis> Maidenb,  you made a user at the install.. HIS password is used when you 'sudo' to do rooty things
[06:14] <dr_willis> Maidenb,  you do NOT login as root.
[06:14] <huttan> anyone know howto access an usb mp3player in ubuntu?
[06:14] <Seveas> chocoIate, can you also paste the output of lspci on ubuntu.pastebin.com
[06:15] <johnnybezak> huttan: have you plugged it in? does it pop up in nautilus
[06:15] <dr_willis> Maidenb,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[06:15] <huttan> johnnybezak, nope, it doesnt =(
[06:15] <akudewan> Hi, I just installed ubuntu, it seems I need to install e2fsprogs-1.36, since my filesystem has some unsupported features
[06:15] <johnnybezak> huttan: have you got hoary?
[06:15] <huttan> johnnybezak, yes
[06:15] <toran> hey, does anyone know of some good xmame guides/how-tos?
[06:15] <akudewan> how do I get e2fsprogs-1.36 ?
[06:16] <choco1ate> back
[06:16] <choco1ate> got d/c
[06:16] <clsk> hm
[06:16] <Seveas> akudewan, apt-get install e2fsprogs
[06:16] <dr_willis> toran,  :O ive learned it the hard way - over the years Lol.
[06:16] <clsk> Isn't apt-get supposed to download and install dependencies?
[06:16] <dr_willis> toran,  xmame homepage. perhaps as a start
[06:16] <toran> x_x
[06:16] <choco1ate> Seveas : i tried this :  modprobe -a usbcore usb-uhci acm
[06:16] <toran> it seems so hard to do
[06:16] <huttan> johnnybezak, I think I need to mount it manually, but I donnu which device it s
[06:16] <huttan> is*
[06:16] <akudewan> Seaveas: ok, I'll try that now
[06:16] <Seveas> choco1ate, that won't work
[06:16] <choco1ate> and only usbcore returned success, while usb-uhci acm didnt
[06:17] <dr_willis> toran,  its rather easy once ya learn how it works.. install the stuff.. copy all the files to the right rom/whatever dir.. OR edit the configs.
[06:17] <manca> salve a tutti....questa era una prova....
[06:17] <choco1ate> i tried to do it seperately ; didnt work either
[06:17] <Seveas> first of all, you don't know whether it's uhci, ohci or ehci
[06:17] <choco1ate> those two modules arent there
[06:17] <toran> dr_willis: I try typing "xmame" at the command line, and this is what I get: http://pastebin.ca/raw/12268
[06:17] <Maidenb> what is the root password???
[06:17] <Seveas> econd, it's an _ not a -
[06:17] <toran> could you maybe give me a pointer as to where I should go from here?
[06:17] <Seveas> Maidenb: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:17] <manca> qualcuno parla italiano...?
[06:17] <manca> qualcuno parla italiano...?
[06:17] <manca> qualcuno parla italiano...?
[06:17] <Seveas> choco1ate, to find out the type of usb controller: use lspci
[06:17] <dr_willis> toran,  you do realize you need to download some roms?
[06:17] <manca> qualcuno parla italiano...?
[06:18] <Seveas> manca, #ubuntu-it
[06:18] <johnnybezak> ubuntu-it
[06:18] <toran> dr_willis: yeah, I downloaded one -_-
[06:18] <Seveas> and don't repeat
[06:18] <toran> but I don't know how to make it run
[06:18] <toran> lol
[06:18] <dr_willis> toran,  use the command line options.. :P i gotta run.. bbl ask me for more help later
[06:18] <toran> thanks for your help so far
[06:18] <toran> I'll try to get it from here, I may ask again later if you're in
[06:18] <choco1ate> ok, so first i need to run lspci :o
[06:18] <clsk> hm
[06:19] <choco1ate> what should i expect that return back :o
[06:19] <Seveas> choco1ate, yes and read that to find out the usb type
[06:19] <choco1ate> oh
[06:19] <Seveas> choco1ate, something like this: http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/44
[06:19] <teknoprep> hi all
[06:19] <clsk> I'm trying to install mplayer with apt-get and it says that it has a bunch of dependencies. How can i get apt-get to automatically download and install these dependencies?
[06:19] <teknoprep> how do i setup konqueror to auto refresh when i create a new folder
[06:19] <Seveas> choco1ate, as you can see there, i use uhci
[06:19] <teknoprep> i have to hit F5 or refesh button to see new changes
[06:20] <teknoprep> nvm
[06:20] <choco1ate> usb-uhci :o
[06:20] <Seveas> choco1ate, then do modprobe uhci_hcd (or ehci_hcd or ohci_hcd, depending on the usb interface)
[06:20] <thenuke> clsk: it will always install dependencies automagically if it just can :)
[06:20] <teknoprep> this is only in the media: section
[06:20] <Seveas> choco1ate, and then do modprobe cdc-acm
[06:20] <thenuke> clsk: you might be missing some repositories, that is.
[06:20] <clsk> That's probably it.
[06:20] <thenuke> clsk: so, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:20] <thenuke> clsk: follow those orders
[06:20] <Seveas> choco1ate, and PLEASE don't forget to use an _ in uhci_hcd :)
[06:21] <choco1ate> ahh ok
[06:21] <clsk> ok
[06:21] <clsk> thanks.
[06:21] <nalioth> clsk: have you enabled universe and multiverse?
[06:21] <thenuke> clsk: and check also this how to install mplayer http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[06:21] <abarbaccia> hey all - im having some serious problems with ubuntu - when it boots, X refuses to start and according to the logs its a fatal error and it cant find the font path for the font 'default'
[06:22] <choco1ate> that part was a bit confusing coz everytime i hit modprobe usb-uhci and it would return "file not found usb_uhci "
[06:22] <choco1ate> so i guess it has logic to deal with this
[06:22] <choco1ate> and corrects it itself
[06:23] <choco1ate> ok, so i'll try those steps and and see if i'm able to set this up
[06:23] <Seveas> good luck :)
[06:23] <choco1ate> what i find confusing is cdc-acm
[06:24] <choco1ate> in that article they say acm only :S
[06:24] <choco1ate> should that matter :o
[06:24] <mwh_> hmm I would like to see if I can get gcj going anyways .. since MonoDevelop plays nice with it
[06:24] <Fazi> quit
[06:24] <mwh_> now anyone know what might cause this error
[06:24] <mwh_> gcj: libgcj.spec: No such file or directory
[06:24] <mwh_> where do I get that libgcj.spec file
[06:25] <Seveas> mwh_, have you installed libgcj4?
[06:26] <Seveas> (or higher version)
[06:26] <mwh_> Seveas: yes
[06:26] <doko> mwh_: libgcj4-dev
[06:26] <mwh_> no
[06:26] <mwh_> ill try that one
[06:27] <choco1ate> its clear in that article that they state : The first requirement is that the modem must comply with the Communication Device Class Abstract Control Model (CDC ACM) USB sub-class
[06:27] <choco1ate> so CDC ACM
[06:27] <Seveas> choco1ate, indeed :)
[06:27] <choco1ate> and clearly in the modules as you pointed it is cdc-acm
[06:27] <Seveas> and the module is called cdc-acm
[06:27] <choco1ate> named accordingly too
[06:27] <choco1ate> yeah
[06:27] <choco1ate> but they ask to do modprobe acm only
[06:27] <mwh_> doko: seems to work now :)
[06:28] <choco1ate> maybe it differs from distro to distro
[06:28] <mwh_> doko: thanks
[06:28] <mwh_> doko: I guess its a bug or something ... should gcj not install libgcj4-dev as well as the other stuff?
[06:28] <choco1ate> anyway, i cant do much now since i'm on winxp. i have to reboot and try that stuff out
[06:28] <Seveas> choco1ate, one more thing
[06:28] <choco1ate> was very helpful of you Seveas ; i would have never gotten this far if it werent for you surely :P
[06:28] <choco1ate> shoot :o
[06:28] <Seveas> try cdc_acm too
[06:28] <choco1ate> hahha
[06:28] <choco1ate> ok :P
[06:29] <choco1ate> it seems to do this automatically though
[06:29] <Seveas> choco1ate, k
[06:29] <choco1ate> when i type anything with a dash it converts it internally to an underscore :S
[06:29] <doko> mwh_: no, it's not needed for compiling to byte-code (.class files)
[06:29] <choco1ate> thanks again :)
[06:29] <choco1ate> all higly appreciated
[06:29] <mwh_> doko: aha, how do I compile to bytecode?
[06:31] <choco1ate> that italian guy is asking "why do i always get disconnected when i try to update ubuntu"
[06:31] <doko> mwh_: man gcj is your friend
[06:31] <mwh_> doko: yes .. im reading right now
[06:31] <choco1ate> seems nobody is responding to him in #ubuntu-it
[06:31] <teknoprep> Xlib:  extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:31] <choco1ate> is this a known issue :o
[06:31] <teknoprep> anyone get that... looking it up.. and it doesn't seem to be a big errror
[06:31] <choco1ate> i havent even gotten there, my modem is not working lol
[06:31] <kestas-freeciv> isnt win4lin a derivative of linux?
[06:32] <kestas-freeciv> and isnt linux under the gpl thus making win4lin also under the gpl?
[06:32] <kestas-freeciv> so shouldnt I be able to get win4lin4free?
[06:32] <Seveas> kestas-freeciv, lol :)
[06:32] <kestas-freeciv> on the website it doesnt mention it
[06:32] <Seveas> you are mixing a few things up there
[06:32] <kestas-freeciv> oops
[06:32] <mjr> kestas-freeciv, no, it is not a derivative of linux
[06:32] <mjr> it's just an application that runs on top of linux
[06:32] <kestas> ah
[06:32] <mjr> if you want comparable free software, try qemu
[06:33] <mwh_> doko: cant seem to find the option
[06:33] <kestas> isnt that just for linux?
[06:33] <huttan> I cant mount my usb mp3player, can anyone help me out please?
[06:33] <kestas> to emulate linux I mea
[06:33] <kestas> n
[06:33] <yaaar> mjr: i wouln't call qemu comparable......it's neat, but slow as hell
[06:33] <mwh_> ahh -C
[06:33] <mjr> kestas, nope, it emulates a pc and can run other oses
[06:33] <Seveas> huttan, describe 'cannot mount'
[06:33] <mwh_> doko: found it .. thanks
[06:33] <Seveas> is it being recognized?
[06:33] <kestas> mjr: like bochs? that took 2 hours to install windows 98
[06:33] <Seveas> what are the last lines of dmesg after inserting the usb mp3 player
[06:34] <mjr> well, he didn't want an answer then
[06:34] <mjr> yaaar, anyway, I wouldn't call it slow as hell. That's reserved for bochs ;)
[06:35] <yaaar> mjr: i dunno, i've got winxp installed on qemu, and I *would* say that
[06:35] <mjr> yaaar, did you try the (sadly non-free) accelerator module, by the way?
[06:35] <yaaar> no
[06:35] <mjr> yaaar, well, that explains it, I only tried 98 and I call that only slow ;)
[06:36] <jazzka> does exist opera for ubuntu?
[06:36] <mjr> anyway, the qemu guy claims that the accelerator module is about 5 times more efficient; go figure. I do hope some Linux firm(s) would buy it free :)
[06:38] <teknoprep> XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD abyone know aout this error
[06:38] <teknoprep> Xlib: extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:38] <teknoprep> i find talk about it but no solution
[06:38] <Anubis> if backports is down
[06:39] <Anubis> what are people using to update their hoary?
[06:39] <teknoprep> apt-get
[06:39] <nalioth> mjr "slow as hell" belongs to "pear pc"
[06:39] <Anubis> what repo?
[06:39] <|QuaD-_> does the new dbus released for breezy include dbus-cil?
[06:39] <Jormundgand> Is there a way to remove all dependencies of a package along with the package itself in Synaptic? I tell it to remove xfce4 and it doesn't remove dependencies.
[06:39] <Anubis> do the univers and multiverse have updated packages?
[06:40] <Anubis> Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-extras/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  500 Internal Server Error
[06:40] <mjr> nalioth, oh yes, there's that too :)
[06:42] <nalioth> mjr, unforntunately, the devs at "Cherry OS" havent released their overclocked (10x system speed) PPC emu <snort>
[06:45] <chlunde> Hmm, I got this file in the root of my file system; /.apt-src.info.28273 -- does anyone else have the same file?  It was probably made by the Hoary installer.
[06:45] <chlunde> I can't find it in bugzilla
[06:45] <Anubis> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main
[06:45] <Anubis> people still using this?
[06:46] <jzhixel> okay, how do I prevent a module from being loaded in 5.04? (I've got onboard cs4236 sound that linux seems to think is 46xx and I want to make it stop loading that module on startup)
[06:46] <chlunde> Perhaps I used a preview installer, I can't find it on another machine.
[06:47] <Ali_Baba> i got all marillat repositories.
[06:47] <Anubis> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:47] <Anubis> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:47] <Anubis> no
[06:48] <mod^> I ran fglrxconfig, and now I everytime get 'no screens found'
[06:48] <chlunde> jzhixel: Maybe /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:51] <Jormundgand> Is there a way to remove all dependencies of a package along with the package itself in Synaptic? I tell it to remove xfce4 and it doesn't remove dependencies.
[06:51] <ted__> question why would the sudo command insist I type my password twice the password is correct each time I type it
[06:55] <Seveas> ted__, which command do you want to run with sudo?
[06:55] <ted__> Seveas occurs with any command I want to use sudo with from a terminal, the built in gui admin functions won't load because it will only ask once
[06:56] <ted__> Seveas I think somehow I messed something up trying to setup an ldap sever
[06:56] <ted__> *server
[06:56] <DunkMaster> when i try to run root terminal, it asks me for a password, when i enter it, it gives me: Failed to run /urs/bin/x-terminal-emulator: Child terminated with 1 status
[06:57] <Seveas> DunkMaster, open a normal terminal and run: x-terminal-emulator
[06:57] <Seveas> ted__, hmm, i have no clue about ldap, sorry
[06:58] <DunkMaster> what command Seveas?
[06:58] <Seveas> x-terminal-server
[06:58] <IIIEars>    Good Morning Seveas.
[06:58] <DunkMaster> ok
[06:58] <DunkMaster> thanx
[06:58] <Seveas> good evening IIIEars
[06:58] <ted__> Seveas thanks anyway
[06:58] <Seveas> DunkMaster, did that work?
[06:59] <DunkMaster> command not found
[06:59] <Seveas> DunkMaster, hmm, you must have messed something up
[06:59] <Seveas> DunkMaster, did you try altering your $PATH?
[07:00] <DunkMaster> i tried to add more privileges to my user account
[07:00] <Seveas> how?
[07:00] <DunkMaster> when i rebooted it didnt work anymore
[07:00] <DunkMaster> i used Users and Groups
[07:01] <Seveas> and you added yourself to more groups?
[07:01] <DunkMaster> no
[07:01] <DunkMaster> i added more things that ill be able to do
[07:01] <Seveas> hmm...?
[07:01] <DunkMaster> i clicked my name and pressed properties
[07:02] <Seveas> ah ok
[07:02] <Seveas> but that should not influence this
[07:02] <DunkMaster> i dont know what happened
[07:02] <Seveas> DunkMaster, can you do an ls -al /etc/alternatives and paste the output on ubuntu.pastebin.com
[07:03] <DunkMaster> will try
[07:03] <RichardC> how do i upgrade to firefox 1.0.4?
[07:03] <DunkMaster> wow, huge list
[07:03] <Seveas> DunkMaster, indeed
[07:03] <occy> anyone know people doing hosting solutions based on Ubuntu?
[07:03] <Seveas> RichardC, yo shouldn't
[07:03] <RichardC> is the installer from their site fine, or should i use apt-get?
[07:03] <Seveas> FF in ubuntu is 1.0.4 in disguise
[07:04] <Seveas> occy, search the sounder mailinglist, there is a company mentioned in there
[07:04] <occy> Seveas, sounder?
[07:04] <ted__> Seveas I am pretty sure that the most recent FF in ubuntu's apt repositories is 1.0.2
[07:05] <Ali_Baba> there is 1.0.4 on backports
[07:06] <chocoIate> back :P
[07:06] <Seveas> ted__, it's 1.0.2 with 1.0.4 security fixes applied
[07:06] <Seveas> so it's 1.0.4 in disgise
[07:06] <neighborlee> RichardC, i've found it unstable...drop down URL list someimes doens't work right..1.0.3 for me is the most stable
[07:06] <ted__> ah ha cool
[07:06] <Seveas> Ali_Baba, backports are evil
[07:06] <DunkMaster> Seveas, i sent it
[07:06] <Seveas> do NOT use them
[07:06] <IIIEars> occy - psst - BSD
[07:07] <Seveas> DunkMaster, hmm, so x-terminal-emulator is there...
[07:07] <Ali_Baba> Seveas :)
[07:07] <Seveas> DunkMaster, in a terminal type this: echo $PATH
[07:07] <Seveas> and paste in in here
[07:08] <Ali_Baba> I just apt-get the firefox,nothing more.
[07:08] <chocoIate> Seveas : one thing i forgot is here -->> http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;921278514;fp;512;fpid;1626109420 it says "Before you load the modules, as root, create a device node (if not already there) that will be used by the acm driver" by supply the following command :  mkmod /dev/usb/ttyACM0 c 166 0
[07:08] <chocoIate> which i did but it says it dont reconize mkmod at all :o
[07:08] <Seveas> hehe
[07:08] <DunkMaster> ok i will
[07:08] <Seveas> that's a type chocoIate
[07:08] <chocoIate> must i install some extra additional package :o
[07:08] <Seveas> it's called mknod
[07:09] <chocoIate> oh
[07:09] <chocoIate> a typo
[07:09] <chocoIate> that idiot, i guess acm is also a typo :P
[07:09] <DunkMaster> Seveas, it gave me /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[07:09] <chocoIate> thanks
[07:09] <Seveas> chocoIate, and you should NOT use that mount command
[07:10] <chocoIate> oh :o
[07:10] <seth> Howdy howdy everyone.
[07:10] <Seveas> hello seth
[07:11] <chocoIate> it says to mount "In order to see your USB device details, mount the USB device file system with:
[07:11] <chocoIate> "
[07:11] <chocoIate> oh, to see :o
[07:11] <Seveas> chocoIate, that mount command is already executed by ubuntu for you
[07:11] <chocoIate> how useful is that, i see my device in device manager anyway
[07:11] <chocoIate> ahh, gotya
[07:12] <chocoIate> thanks :)
[07:12] <seth> How are you this afternoon Seveas?
[07:12] <chocoIate> another thing that worries me is i already modprobed the modules, now i'm gonna do the mknod, but my sequence is a bit messed up coz he says to do mknod in step 1
[07:13] <chocoIate> would that matter my doing mknod now and then modprobing again :o
[07:13] <Seveas> chocoIate, if you reboot, al modprobes (and mknods) are lost
[07:13] <chocoIate> oh :o
[07:13] <chocoIate> am i supposed to modprobe everytime i want to dial :o
[07:14] <chocoIate> how nice :P
[07:14] <IcemanV9> oy! .. Thermal 1: ok, 67.0 degrees C
[07:14] <Seveas> chocoIate, no you can automate it :)
[07:14] <chocoIate> how :o
[07:14] <DunkMaster> /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[07:14] <chocoIate> is it tough to automate
[07:14] <Seveas> no, not at all
[07:14] <DunkMaster> Seves, what is that for?
[07:14] <teknoprep> anyone ever get there extra buttons to work on there keyboards.. espceially with laptops
[07:14] <DunkMaster> *Seveas
[07:14] <chocoIate> do you have a guide i can follow for later reading :P
[07:14] <Seveas> but first get it working and then get it working good :)
[07:14] <teknoprep> like volume.. mail... web.. play stop ff rw
[07:15] <chocoIate> :P
[07:15] <Seveas> chocoIate, not really :)
[07:15] <chocoIate> ok, here he says : With all the USB modem drivers loaded, you are now ready to connect to the Internet. Insert (or replace) the device location of your USB modem - /dev/usb/ttyACM0 (Red Hat 7.2 uses /dev/input/ttyACM0) - into your Internet connection program or script
[07:15] <Seveas> teknoprep, depends on the laptop
[07:15] <chocoIate> what internet connection program :o
[07:15] <teknoprep> not a thinkpad
[07:15] <chocoIate> or script
[07:15] <chocoIate> i dont have one i'm afraid :S
[07:16] <Seveas> DunkMaster, one last thing: ls -al /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator
[07:16] <chocoIate> i hate it when most writers assume that the reader knows what they are doing. Normally someone trying to fix their modem is a noob in all sense :P
[07:16] <computerguy867> is anyone here good with ssh?
[07:16] <Ali_Baba> i think you dont have to have a script
[07:16] <computerguy867> i have 2 questions
[07:16] <Seveas> chocoIate, you just have to add cdc-acm to /etc/modules :)
[07:16] <DunkMaster> Seveas: ans?
[07:16] <DunkMaster> *and
[07:16] <Ali_Baba> its if you already have a script i think :)
[07:16] <Seveas> paste the output here
[07:16] <chocoIate> how do i add it to /etc/modules ; i'm a noob :P
[07:16] <DunkMaster> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 37 2005-04-06 17:12 /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator -> /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator
[07:16] <Seveas> ^^ that was for DunkMaster
[07:17] <Seveas> hmm
[07:17] <chocoIate> sorry for being such an ass :P
[07:17] <Seveas> that's weird
[07:17] <Seveas> chocoIate, sudo gedit /etc/modules
[07:17] <chocoIate> oh ok
[07:17] <Seveas> add it at the bottom on its own line
[07:17] <chocoIate> ok
[07:17] <Seveas> computerguy867, just ask
[07:17] <chocoIate> i did that before i think :S
[07:17] <Seveas> DunkMaster, try again in a terminal: x-terminal-emulator
[07:17] <chocoIate> i did a lot of things in the past 6 days trying to fix the modem driver which never worked :P
[07:18] <akudewan> Where do I find the grub config file?
[07:18] <chocoIate> now moving on to usb and my external modem before i call it quits and purchase a new modem
[07:18] <Seveas> akudewan, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:18] <akudewan> thanks
[07:18] <DunkMaster> Seveas: you are my hero
[07:18] <DunkMaster> lol
[07:18] <Seveas> DunkMaster, it works now?
[07:18] <DunkMaster> yes
[07:18] <Seveas> and from the menu?
[07:19] <DunkMaster> will try
[07:19] <DunkMaster> :)
[07:19] <computerguy867> i have 2 computers on a home network that are behind a router and I named them.  Their Ips are the usual 192.168. whatever.  When I try to ssh into one from the other by typing ssh "computer name" its doesnt work but when i use the ip it does
[07:19] <chocoIate> so, how do i dial once i got it working ; just make the settings in adminstrator - networks and thats it :o
[07:19] <computerguy867> if the name is charlie and they are on the same network wouldn ssh charlie work?
[07:19] <Seveas> computerguy867, do you use dhcp?
[07:19] <Jormundgand> Is there a way to remove all dependencies of a package along with the package itself? Neither Synaptic, nor Aptitude, nor straightforward apt-get do it - they only get rid of the package.
[07:19] <DunkMaster> hmmmm
[07:19] <computerguy867> Seveas, how does that work
[07:20] <justin> Jormundgand: if you used Synaptic or Aptitude in the first place they would
[07:20] <Seveas> computerguy867, not if the names aren't published somewhere
[07:20] <chocoIate> i guess so, ok brb tomorrow
[07:20] <ogi_> what's the kernel version of hoary 5.04
[07:20] <computerguy867> how can I do that?
[07:20] <DunkMaster> i entered the login and now nothing
[07:20] <chocoIate> thanks again Seveas
[07:20] <larsrohdin> hi, i can't get X working on my machine. No display it says...
[07:20] <Seveas> ogi_, 2.6.10-6
[07:20] <Seveas> -5 i mean
[07:21] <Seveas> computerguy867, with most routers using dhcp is enough
[07:21] <computerguy867> Seveas, how does one setup dhcp
[07:22] <DunkMaster> Seveas: i choosed root terminal from the menu and entered the login and nothing, no error or terminal either
[07:22] <Seveas> computerguy867, go to system -> administration -> networking
[07:22] <Seveas> select your connection
[07:23] <Seveas> select properties
[07:23] <Seveas> and choose dhcp
[07:23] <Seveas> from there on it depends on your router whether it will work
[07:24] <computerguy867> so i should try to configure my router for dhcp?
[07:24] <ogi_> hmm
[07:24] <ogi_> Is there any really good ati drivers how-to or something?
[07:25] <Ali_Baba> there is on ubuntu forums ogi_
[07:26] <ogi_> Ali_Baba there are some I know but..
[07:26] <val_> hi ..anybody know how i can fine and download "wine"..
[07:26] <RichardC> in windows i download at about 2KB/s, but in linux, with the same hardware isa modem, and the same server, i download at about half that, if not lower
[07:26] <RichardC> does anyone know why?
[07:26] <ogra> ogi_, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:26] <AbeFranklin> Ok I just installed ubuntu,  and now I cannot ssh into it,  I've set the server up,  I can ssh 127.0.0.1 no problem...from the other machine here I can ping it,  but cannot ssh to it...any clue why?
[07:26] <ogra> ogi_, thats the official guide
[07:26] <Ali_Baba> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31094 heres a link ogi_
[07:26] <dr_willis> val_,  i  think i just added the extra repositiroes and did a "apt-get install wine'
[07:27] <nikolaus_> Hi Folkz, HOW CAN I install gstreamer-faad to listen to aac-music in rhythmbox
[07:27] <val_> thanx
[07:27] <dr_willis> RichardC,  its highly possible that windows is lieing.. and at such speeds (this dialup?) thers a lot of things that can be slowing you down one Min. then not the next.
[07:28] <dr_willis> AbeFranklin,  restart the ssh server. I think on a clean install i had to restart it once on the first boot. Not sure why
[07:28] <akudewan> I used to run /sbin/lilo after editing lilo. Do I have to do something similar after editing grub?
[07:28] <AbeFranklin> weird
[07:28] <AbeFranklin> I was  connected momentarily
[07:28] <DunkMaster> how can i enter as root thru terminal?
[07:28] <AbeFranklin> then network connection was reset,  now it is refused =(
[07:29] <computerguy867> Seveas, also, how do I ssh from the outside?
[07:29] <AbeFranklin> DunkMastern? 'su -'
[07:29] <AbeFranklin> if yer logged in as user.
[07:29] <DunkMaster> ow
[07:29] <AbeFranklin> also gotta be a member of the wheel group
[07:29] <ogra> DunkMaster, just use the "root terminal" from the menu ?
[07:29] <computerguy867> does anyone know how to ssh to a machine thats behind a router
[07:29] <RichardC> dr_willis: it is such a difference that i can tell without paying attention to what the programs report
[07:29] <RichardC> other distros never had a problem
[07:29] <DunkMaster> Ogra, cant use it
[07:29] <DunkMaster> thats the problem
[07:29] <AbeFranklin> DunkMaster yer not in wheel group
[07:29] <ogra> DunkMaster, why that ?
[07:29] <DunkMaster> not opening
[07:30] <AbeFranklin> (wheel group)
[07:30] <redtech> when I boot up my laptop (ubuntu) and do dhclient eth0, a w2k pro machine on the network reboots.  WOL is disabled and the ip is a static ip outside the dhcp scope for the win2k box.  any thoughts?
[07:30] <RichardC> they were just as fast, if not a little faster
[07:30] <RichardC> even other debian-based distros
[07:30] <ogi_> apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<your-kernel-version> xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:30] <DunkMaster> AbeFranklin, im not sure, i cant enter users and groups
[07:30] <dr_willis> RichardC,  ive seen in many cases where Windows does lie.. find a reliable networking speed benchmark and test under both os's
[07:30] <DunkMaster> i think i need to reinstall ubuntu
[07:30] <AbeFranklin> dunk press ctrl-alt-f1
[07:30] <AbeFranklin> use the console to log in ass
[07:30] <dr_willis> RichardC,  of course it could be your modem is at a slower speed for some odd reason
[07:30] <DunkMaster> it will take 3 hours again
[07:30] <AbeFranklin> root / password
[07:30] <DunkMaster> grrr
[07:30] <ogi_> how should that command look with hoary 5.04
[07:30] <AbeFranklin> then edit /etc/groups
[07:30] <morris> DunkMaster sounds like ur installing gentoo what box is it on ;p
[07:30] <AbeFranklin> add ,username next to root in wheel
[07:30] <dr_willis> DunkMaster,  3 hrs? Gee just takes me about an hr or less.
[07:31] <AbeFranklin> as*
[07:31] <AbeFranklin> not ass
[07:31] <AbeFranklin> =x
[07:31] <seth> Anyone have WEPcrack working on their system?
[07:32] <RichardC> dr_willis: this time it isnt lieing
[07:32] <AbeFranklin> weird
[07:32] <AbeFranklin> they have no wheel group =\
[07:32] <AbeFranklin> k ubuntu makes me confused I'll shut up
[07:32] <AbeFranklin> =)
[07:32] <seth> ls
[07:32] <seth> Oops.
[07:32] <Gwildor> lol
[07:32] <dr_willis> RichardC,  if you can prove it - then its time to twiddle with the modem init strings perhaps. i'd test at -->  http://www.wugnet.com/myspeed/speedtest.asp
[07:33] <AbeFranklin> ok,  here's a problem
[07:33] <AbeFranklin> I ssh to my ubuntu machine... this is what I get
[07:33] <AbeFranklin> login as: root
[07:33] <AbeFranklin> Using keyboard-interactive authentication.
[07:33] <AbeFranklin> Password:
[07:33] <RichardC> i dont even need benchmarking tools to notice this difference
[07:33] <AbeFranklin> before I can type my password,  connection is reset
[07:33] <dr_willis> do NOT ssh in as root
[07:33] <dr_willis> ssh in as a user. then su to root
[07:33] <AbeFranklin> dr_willis doesn't matter
[07:33] <AbeFranklin> root is accessable
[07:33] <AbeFranklin> it's set up in sshd_conf
[07:34] <Seveas> AbeFranklin, it's just bad practice to do it
[07:34] <AbeFranklin> this isn't a semantics thing,  I don't usually log in as root :p
[07:34] <AbeFranklin> I know..
[07:34] <AbeFranklin> .been using linux for bout 10 yrs =\
[07:34] <dr_willis> heh. :P  aparently its not. :P since its not working lol. :P but  you may want to enable more verbose logging
[07:34] <Seveas> :)
[07:34] <thenuke> AbeFranklin: why do you then allow it at all :D
[07:34] <AbeFranklin> just never ubuntu and am helping a coworker get it working
[07:34] <AbeFranklin> I don't
[07:34] <AbeFranklin> not my box
[07:34] <AbeFranklin> heh
[07:34] <thenuke> aah ok :D
[07:34] <AbeFranklin> he left for mosque...
[07:34] <AbeFranklin> I have root passwd,  but not his username
[07:34] <AbeFranklin> so I'm just trying to figure his ish
[07:34] <AbeFranklin> issue*
[07:34] <dr_willis> lol
[07:35] <AbeFranklin> just never used ubuntu I see it's "like debian"  but I've used gentoo for so long =)
[07:35] <seth> AbeFranklin, amen to that!
[07:35] <sri> seeeeth.
[07:35] <AbeFranklin> I suggested ubuntu to abe cos folks tell me it's easy for new linux users
[07:36] <seth> sri, yes?
[07:36] <sri> oh wait, wrong seth?
[07:36] <sri> sorry
[07:36] <AbeFranklin> gentoo well,  just wouldn't cut it with him -=)
[07:36] <seth> It's alright. Happens a lot.
[07:36] <dr_willis> actually - if he never added a specific root password. (sudo passwd) then I dont think you can login as root directly. even from the console or ssh
[07:36] <RichardC> is there a way to figure out what speed my modem is connected at?
[07:36] <Seveas> AbeFranklin, well, gentoo isn't for beginners :)
[07:36] <AbeFranklin> nah I got a passwd
[07:36] <AbeFranklin> yeh you can dr_willis  sshd_conf has a section called "allow root"
[07:36] <AbeFranklin> I think either way it is set to allow
[07:36] <AbeFranklin> if not,  it'd gimme a passwd failure on disallow,  similar to non wheel members trying to su
[07:37] <nikolaus_> Hi Folkz, HOW CAN I install gstreamer-faad to listen to aac-music in rhythmbox
[07:37] <dr_willis> AbeFranklin,  Hmm... you sure ssh acts that way.
[07:37] <AbeFranklin> dr_willis positive
[07:37] <AbeFranklin> it'll say "username not found"  or "password is incorrect"  or "username is refused"
[07:37] <dr_willis> I tend to make a root passwrd anyway lol.  so i am just guessing at possible issues
[07:37] <AbeFranklin> uhm
[07:37] <AbeFranklin> there is a root passwd =\
[07:37] <AbeFranklin> can you even function without one?
[07:37] <dr_willis> not for 'direct' logins
[07:37] <Seveas> nikolaus_, apt-get install gstreamer-plugins
[07:37] <AbeFranklin> uhm
[07:37] <AbeFranklin> yeh ya can
[07:38] <AbeFranklin> linux is linux =)
[07:38] <AbeFranklin> only difference is where the conf's and directories are put really
[07:38] <AbeFranklin> user/passwd req's are inconsequentially different
[07:38] <AbeFranklin> I digress though
[07:38] <dr_willis> AbeFranklin,  i think you are mistaken on this 'ubuntu' secuity issue. On a default ubuntu install. you can not login to the console as 'root' (others verify this)?
[07:38] <AbeFranklin> even if I try to log in with a user
[07:38] <AbeFranklin> same thing.
[07:38] <AbeFranklin> sure you can
[07:39] <AbeFranklin> I just did
[07:39] <AbeFranklin> heh
[07:39] <dr_willis> you normally login as a user then su -.
[07:39] <AbeFranklin> that's semantic
[07:39] <AbeFranklin> it's good practise
[07:39] <dr_willis> or use 'sudo'
[07:39] <AbeFranklin> I know I know...
[07:39] <dr_willis> you have local access to the box?
[07:39] <AbeFranklin> yep
[07:39] <AbeFranklin> console = local =\
[07:39] <dr_willis> enable verbose logging then :P
[07:39] <Maidenb> hi
[07:39] <dr_willis> and see whats its ranting about Lol.
[07:39] <Maidenb> i recently i install UBUNTO
[07:39] <Maidenb> i recently i install UBUNTU
[07:40] <nikolaus_> SEVEAS he couldn't find packages
[07:40] <Maidenb> and devide manager reconismy the RTL8170L
[07:40] <Maidenb> mi WIfi card
[07:40] <Maidenb> but in Net dont have this card
[07:40] <AbeFranklin> Maidenb you need it to reckognise'dict'
[07:41] <AbeFranklin> oh well
[07:41] <AbeFranklin> I'll figure it later
[07:41] <AbeFranklin> prolly a hardware problem anyhow
[07:41] <AbeFranklin> it is most def not a login issue
[07:41] <AbeFranklin> something flunky with the network
[07:41] <Maidenb> ok Im sorry
[07:41] <AbeFranklin> I cannot see outside my 167.67.78.*
[07:41] <Maidenb> im argentinian
[07:41] <AbeFranklin> *shrug*
[07:41] <AbeFranklin> Maidenb I'm kidden.. ;-)
[07:43] <jaan_> its not working
[07:44] <dunkmaster_> :(
[07:44] <dunkmaster_> looks like ill have to reinstall ubuntu
[07:44] <dunkmaster_> ill go and do it
[07:45] <Seveas> why?
[07:45] <dunkmaster_> bye
[07:45] <dunkmaster_> does not work
[07:45] <dunkmaster_> same thing again
[07:45] <seth> What is wrong with it?
[07:45] <dunkmaster_> after reboot
[07:45] <dunkmaster_> root terminal not opening up and gave me an error and i cant do things that ask me for my password
[07:45] <lotusleaf> I installed KDE on ubuntu and both KDE and Gnome work fine, why do some people think they have to uninstall ubuntu and install kubuntu to have KDE and Gnome?
[07:45] <Seveas> hmm
[07:46] <Seveas> dunkmaster_, can you paste your /etc/group at pastebin.ubuntu.com
[07:46] <_simple> i don't think that lotusleaf
[07:46] <Seveas> and do not reinstall yet :)
[07:46] <dunkmaster_> i will
[07:47] <ia1> does PCMCIA wireless work in Hoary? my prism2 based card gets powered, but doesn't get associated with a driver (and thus doesn't get an interface made for it)
[07:47] <rg58sma> Somebody wants to helme with RTL8180L
[07:47] <Lafitte-> ia1, it should work    just need to activate it maybe
[07:47] <ia1> activate it how?
[07:48] <dunkmaster_> Seveas : permission denied
[07:48] <nalioth> l8r
[07:48] <deadly_omen> salut tout le monde
[07:49] <giupy__> hi all
[07:49] <Seveas> dunkmaster_, and i suppose sudo does not work now?
[07:49] <dunkmaster_> ye
[07:49] <Seveas> dunkmaster_, sounds like you removed yourself from the wrong group
[07:50] <nikolaus_> HOW DO I enable multiverse in ubuntu 5.04???
[07:50] <dunkmaster_> erm, and how to fix it?
[07:50] <_simple> what antivirus do you guess use?...
[07:50] <Seveas> nikolaus_, add multiverse to your sources.list, see pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38 for an example
[07:50] <Seveas> _simple, none :)
[07:50] <_simple> lol
[07:50] <hyperion> nikolaus_, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[07:50] <Seveas> dunkmaster_, no idea actually
[07:50] <_simple> what i was thinking :p
[07:50] <linukso> nikolaus_: use synaptic from the system -> admin menu
[07:51] <Seveas> DunkMaster, maybe recovery mode can help
[07:51] <DunkMaster> i didnt save my setup
[07:51] <giupy__> has ubuntu support for promise fasttrack 100 lite raid controller ?
[07:52] <hillel> [Newbie]  I want to add sources to apt-get. I uncommented sources at my sources.list but I now get an error message: "couldn't stat source package..." for the uncommented sources. Any ideas?
[07:52] <Seveas> giupy__, if it works under any linux distribution, it should work with ubuntu
[07:52] <Seveas> hillel, run apt-get update or het the reload button in synaptic
[07:53] <giupy__> Seveas mmm not like hardware and i have some prob with software raid :)
[07:53] <hillel> Seveas: OK, trying it now.
[07:53] <Seveas> giupy__, i have no experience with raid, maybe you should try asking on the mailing list
[07:53] <giupy__> k
[07:54] <rg58sma> este canal es una mierda nadie ayuda
[07:55] <giupy__> ?
[07:55] <Lafitte-> hehe
[07:55] <DunkMaster> Seveas : thank you very much, looks like ill have to reinstall, ill be back tomorrow
[07:55] <Seveas> rg58sma, we speak english in here
[07:55] <DunkMaster> bye all
[07:55] <hillel> Seveas: Thanks, works now :-).
[07:55] <nobile> rg58sma, andate a  #ubuntu-es alli hablan espaol
[07:55] <Lafitte-> and dont talk about mierda here
[07:55] <Seveas> DunkMaster, sorry that we couldn't solve it
[07:55] <clsk> ello
[07:55] <Seveas> guten tag
[07:55] <lotusleaf> is there a Klingon channel for the Klingon language?
[07:55] <clsk> someone gave me an url that explained how to add repositories a couple of minutes a go
[07:56] <clsk> but i had to restart and forgot to save the address
[07:56] <clsk> i'm not german =p
[07:56] <Seveas> lotusleaf, probably :p
[07:56] <lotusleaf> A BARREL OF BLOOD WINE!
[07:56] <ogi_> ubuntuguide.org
[07:56] <Seveas> clsk, see pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38 for an example of a complete hoary sources.list with all official repositories
[07:57] <clsk> thanks
[07:57] <dabaSlon_hmwrk> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:57] <Lafitte-> Cls ubuntuguide.org has walk through for adding repositories
[08:00] <kimo> I am using proprietary CAD tools that are certified on redhat Linux. I am using them on suse with no problem. I am considering jumping to ubuntu, do u expect my tools will work ok, or will problems arise (just ur best guess).
[08:01] <seth> They should work.
[08:01] <Seveas> kimo: best guess is that they should work
[08:01] <rg58sma> i have a problem with 8180L
[08:01] <Rotundo> can anyone here help me with a totem plugin problem?
[08:01] <dabaSlon_hmwrk> kimo: why would you switch? You like Ubuntu???
[08:01] <lotusleaf> Are there any Ubuntu t-shirts for sale?
[08:01] <difeta> i have 2 soundcards 1 integrated and one pci. How can i tell linux to use the pci sound card as my default card?
[08:01] <Seveas> kimo and you and always come here :)
[08:01] <Seveas> lotusleaf, maybe on cafepress
[08:02] <rg58sma> someone knows how to install???
[08:02] <Seveas> difeta, diable the onboard one in your bios
[08:02] <Seveas> rg58sma, install what?
[08:02] <dabaSlon_hmwrk> Rotundo: be nmore specific.
[08:02] <Seveas> Rotundo, just state the problem
[08:02] <dabaSlon_hmwrk> seveas is on a roll.:)
[08:03] <kimo> Yeah I like ubuntu, from what I've heard.
[08:03] <rg58sma> a RTL8180 to work
[08:03] <kimo> I liked Debian before, and suse sux :)
[08:03] <dabaSlon> kimo: what did you hear?
[08:03] <Rotundo> Seveas: tried that before to no response :) - no matter what the media file is I get a No URI handler implemented for "fd://0" error
[08:03] <Seveas> what's a rtl8180
[08:03] <difeta> Seveas, i suppose i could do that.
[08:03] <dabaSlon> rg58sma: what is that?
[08:03] <difeta> thanks
[08:03] <kimo> just all the reads on osnews r very positive, it seems like a very strong, recent distro
[08:04] <Seveas> Rotundo, hmm, which plugin is it and are thi files on a floppy
[08:04] <rg58sma> is Wifi cardbus
[08:04] <dabaSlon> kimo: veryu pretty, seen screenshots?
[08:04] <Rotundo> Seveas: sorry: its the mozilla plugin, epiphany ANY website with a media file totem handles
[08:05] <kimo> dabaSlon: u mean brown shitty :) I'm sure that can be changed
[08:05] <giupy__> can local apic cause problem using cpu at max ?
[08:05] <dabaSlon> kimo: I like the brown:(
[08:05] <Seveas> Rotundo, hmm, ouch, no experience with that, i use mozilla-mplayer for that
[08:05] <Seveas> rg58sma, and rtl8180 is the chip?
[08:05] <kimo> mind answering the original question
[08:05] <dabaSlon> Seveas: still its unclear what he is doing, tho.
[08:05] <Rotundo> Seveas: it seems the totem plugin takes precedence over mplayer...
[08:05] <rg58sma> yes
[08:06] <rg58sma> the card
[08:06] <rg58sma> is Encore
[08:06] <dabaSlon> kimo: there is not much I could tell you...
[08:06] <dabaSlon> it would just be an uneducatyed guess.
[08:06] <Rotundo> Seveas: and the mplayer doesn't have controls of course....
[08:06] <Seveas> rg58sma, ok, sounds like you need ndiswrapper, see wiki.ubuntu.com/NdiswrapperHowto
[08:06] <kimo> dabaSlon: does stuff like orcale, or these (redhat) apps, generally work on ubuntu
[08:06] <Seveas> Rotundo, so the plugin is called epiphany..?
[08:07] <Seveas> kimo, yes
[08:07] <dabaSlon> kimo: its good he answered, I have no experience with that yet...
[08:07] <Rotundo> Seveas: hehe thats the web browser... its called "totem mozilla plugin"
[08:07] <Seveas> Rotundo, ah i was wondering already :)
[08:08] <dabaSlon> Rotundo: can you state what your objective is?what would you like to be possible after the fix?
[08:08] <Seveas> where did you get thap plugin from, i never saw it
[08:08] <Seveas> (and i want it too :))
[08:08] <dabaSlon> Seveas: epiphany is a browser, you ahver to had known that?
[08:08] <Seveas> dabaSlon, to play a file without the error he gave i guess ;)
[08:08] <dabaSlon> ahver=have
[08:08] <Seveas> dabaSlon, yes
[08:08] <Seveas> i use it sometimes too
[08:08] <_alessandro> hi all! :)
[08:08] <dabaSlon> play what file?
[08:08] <dabaSlon> hey _alessandro
[08:08] <_alessandro> please I need help
[08:08] <_alessandro> !!!
[08:08] <Seveas> dabaSlon, scroll back please :)
[08:08] <_alessandro> hi! :)
[08:08] <Seveas> _alessandro, just state your problem
[08:09] <Seveas> Rotundo, where did you get the plugin from, i'll install it and see if i can find something out
[08:09] <dabaSlon> anyhow, I am still unclear what he is doing...:)
[08:10] <Rotundo> Seveas: checking....
[08:10] <dabaSlon> Some plugin, and some site, being handled by totem when he plays movieS?
[08:10] <dabaSlon> Totally weird. Just download the file, and watch it.
[08:10] <dabaSlon> you wanna be all fancy...C:)
[08:10] <Seveas> indeed dabaSlon, and that gives an error
[08:10] <Seveas> dabaSlon, that's NOT a solution :
[08:10] <Seveas> :)
[08:11] <dabaSlon> Seveas: I cant get what you are doing:)
[08:11] <dabaSlon> I mean, what he is doing, nm...:)
[08:11] <dabaSlon> I use epiphany mostly. tho.
[08:12] <dabaSlon> hey, does anyone remember who it was that was making those linux flavored can pictures?
[08:12] <dabaSlon> _alessandro: you needed a hand, you said?
[08:12] <_alessandro> ok, i've upgraded with Synaptics, after reboot start menu and multiple desktop just disappear from bottom bar... :(
[08:13] <_hp_> _alessandro: add panel
[08:13] <dabaSlon> you can easily add it...
[08:13] <kimo> dabaSlon: Ubuntu is numero uno on distro-watch :) There has got to be a reason
[08:13] <Seveas> _alessandro, upgraded what?
[08:13] <Rotundo> Seveas: the plugin is part of the totem-gstreamer package
[08:13] <dabaSlon> _alessandro: Right click on the bottom bar, then choose add to panel.
[08:13] <_alessandro> ok, but why applet crash?
[08:13] <_alessandro> i've update all packets
[08:14] <dabaSlon> kimo, well, I dont kno...I like it, and also, it is my first linux, so I can not tell you much about that...
[08:14] <Seveas> hmm, i use totem-xine :/
[08:14] <Seveas> _alessandro, not to breezy i hope?
[08:14] <dabaSlon> _alessandro: sometimes it just goes away, on mine too.
[08:14] <dabaSlon> Even the trash.
[08:14] <kimo> anyone coming from a SuSe background ? Care to educate me about the difference
[08:14] <Gwildor> differnce in?
[08:14] <_simple> ubuntu is for human beings, suse for chameleons
[08:15] <Seveas> kimo, major difference is apt-get vs. yum
[08:15] <Blissex> kimo: not much difference.
[08:15] <dabaSlon> well, I think that eventually you can get both to look and work the same, just the default in Ubuntu, everything is free software...
[08:15] <Seveas> (in user-experience)
[08:16] <kimo> Seveas: suse doesnt have yum afaik
[08:16] <Rotundo> Kimo: I've been using gnu/linux for about 10 years and ubuntu is the best yet
[08:16] <dabaSlon> kimo: as for your cad application, I never use it, and seems noone on the channel does, not a common thing...but, most things we can get to work.
[08:17] <kimo> Rotundo: 10 years, wow. why do u like ubuntu then ?
[08:17] <Shufla> hello :D
[08:18] <dabaSlon> hey:)
[08:18] <Rotundo> kimo: its easy, sleek, and works well out of the box.... of course I havent seen suse in a long time, I've been exclusively debian for quite a while.
[08:18] <Rotundo> of course I still cant get epiphany web-plugins to work :)
[08:19] <kimo> lol
[08:19] <dabaSlon> why would you want those to work? Anyhow, good luck:-p
[08:19] <_alessandro> Ok! Thank a lot!!!
[08:19] <dabaSlon> ok, see ya soon.
[08:19] <Razor-X> dabaSlon: hey
[08:20] <dabaSlon> Razor-X: hey!
[08:20] <Razor-X> good thing my parents are going out later
[08:20] <Razor-X> else, i'ld be dead when I'ld come home from school
[08:20] <dabaSlon> i'd
[08:20] <Razor-X> I finished my project at about.... 2:30 AM last night
[08:20] <dabaSlon> wow...
[08:20] <Razor-X> but...
[08:20] <Razor-X> I watched 'something" till 6:30 in the morning ;)
[08:21] <Razor-X> *'
[08:21] <dabaSlon> ah...
[08:21] <Razor-X> which means, I have not an ounce of sleep on me
[08:21] <djames> i switched to ubuntu from gentoo. Seems like SCP file transfers are faster in gentoo. Anyone have issues with lagging performance with SCP in ubuntu?
[08:21] <dabaSlon> so you at school now?
[08:21] <Razor-X> djames: not be
[08:21] <Razor-X> dabaSlon: nopes, at home
[08:22] <Razor-X> and after I crash, I'm a gonna watch 'something' again ;)
[08:22] <dabaSlon> djames: I dont see how that can be distro specific.
[08:22] <dabaSlon> Razor-X: ?? dont even go there...
[08:22] <dabaSlon> hah
[08:22] <djames> well, ubuntu by default uses EXT3 FS. my gentoo had JFS...maybe JFS boosted it...writing files faster
[08:23] <linukso> djames: that sounds very unlikely...
[08:23] <dabaSlon> i guess it could be possible, altho...I would not expect a significant diff.
[08:23] <_hp_> anyone ever get 3ds max to run with *nix?
[08:23] <linukso> djames: the filesystem will prob. be a bit faster than you network, no mather which filesystem you choose.
[08:24] <tanek> how do i change system default charset?
[08:24] <dabaSlon> System>Prefs>Font.
[08:24] <dabaSlon> in gnome, anyhow.
[08:24] <tanek> ehm no?
[08:24] <tanek> character encoding
[08:24] <dabaSlon> ok, then:)
[08:24] <tanek> like iso-8859-15
[08:24] <tanek> :)
[08:25] <dabaSlon> right:)
[08:25] <dabaSlon> hah
[08:25] <tanek> :)
[08:25] <RichardC> whats a good, simple firewall for linux
[08:25] <linukso> tanek: why don't you want utf-8?
[08:25] <tanek> RichardC: im using firestarter
[08:25] <Razor-X> I have no need for a Linux firewall
[08:26] <tanek> linukso: cause iso-8859-15 has all i need, default swedish charset i think
[08:26] <djames> must be the network...because the CPS is climbing up now
[08:26] <RichardC> ubuntuguide mentions firebox, or something like that
[08:26] <sig> most people that can afford a 60 dollar firewall router don't
[08:26] <Razor-X> IMO, nobody who can actually enter this box wouldn't care about my individual one
[08:26] <Razor-X> sig: mine's a $20 one ;)
[08:26] <Razor-X> and works just as well
[08:26] <sig> nice
[08:26] <Razor-X> as a $60 one
[08:26] <sig> probably true
[08:27] <tanek> mine is a $60 one, cheapest i could find
[08:27] <linukso> tanek: /etc/environment, but I don't see why you want to stay in the past... :) unicode is the future, man!
[08:28] <dabaSlon> gtg
[08:28] <tanek> linukso: and why would it be better? i had utf-8 before i changed (2 secs ago) and it screwd up my 
[08:28] <tanek> swedish letters that im not willing to lose :P
[08:29] <thenuke> huh, you dont need utf-8 for those
[08:29] <thenuke> in my opinion utf-8 will mess those up rather than fix them in any way :D
[08:29] <linukso> tanek: which irc-client are you using? irssi and xchat supports unicode, so native chars are no problem. (I'm norwegian, so I know)
[08:30] <tanek> i use xchat, and no, it didn't support them
[08:30] <thenuke> And I'm from Finland, so I know much better than either of you!
[08:30] <thenuke> :D
[08:30] <tanek> i see them as  but everyone else saw them as #%" or something
[08:30] <linukso> tanek: take a closer look, if you edit a server, you can select charset...
[08:30] <thenuke> tanek: that's how it goes if you use utf-8 in irc for example ;D
[08:31] <tahorg> tanek: /charset utf8
[08:31] <tahorg> (or smth like that)
[08:31] <tanek> no, i'll stick to this one
[08:31] <tanek> seems to be working
[08:31] <thenuke> tanek I use fi_FI@euro ISO-8859-15
[08:31] <nikolaus_> hey guys i jsut can't download gstreamer0.8-faad everything else goes well
[08:31] <thenuke> tanek: it gives me  and they work in IRC without any further tweaking of irc-client and what so ever
[08:32] <linukso> tanek: other users that use unicode shouldn't have any problems....
[08:32] <tahorg> utf8 IS better, just that people using us_EN iso-8859-1 are just too lazy
[08:32] <tanek> thenuke: yeah, and i hade utf8 as system default, and had to change to iso-8859-15 in irc, and that sucked :P
[08:33] <tahorg> tanek: screen -U is the way
[08:33] <tanek> no
[08:33] <tanek> leaving it this way, cause it's working is the way
[08:33] <thenuke> tanek: why it did suck :)
[08:33] <thenuke> tanek: did it break something?
[08:33] <tanek> had no  without chaning standards
[08:34] <tahorg> it usualy sucks for people who don't undertand
[08:34] <thenuke> I know that UTF-8 is good thing if just majority of ppl would have support for it
[08:34] <tanek> :P
[08:34] <thenuke> It will someday be standard :) but if no one forces ppl, it will take time :)
[08:34] <tanek> well, as long as it wont let me use all letters of the swedish alphabet, im not using it.
[08:34] <tahorg> Mental Viscosity
[08:35] <thenuke> tanek: it lets but not all can read them then ;D
[08:35] <tahorg> "I write in english, why should I use utf-8 ?"
[08:36] <linukso> tanek: was irc the only problem, or couldn't you use swedish chars in other programs?
[08:36] <tanek> thenuke: yeah, and thats almost the same :P
[08:36] <thenuke> tanek: :-) but very few of those who needs those weird alphabets uses utf-8, so it's not all about ppl who does not need them
[08:36] <tanek> linukso: irc as far as i know, but as i saw them as , i dont really know
[08:37] <thenuke> one irc-friend of mine complined that he switched out of utf-8 because she had problems with some websites too
[08:37] <MasterYoda> whas wrong with backports?
[08:37] <tanek> havn't really had any trouble with web sites
[08:38] <tanek> well, i wonder if i dare rebooting to my newly compiled kernel :P
[08:38] <linukso> thenuke: eh, loooots of websites are in utf-8, the browser detects it autom.... (if the header is ok)
[08:39] <edulix> hello !
[08:39] <nobile> hellpo
[08:39] <nobile> -p
[08:39] <edulix> I have a dell laptop, with an Intel P4 Mobile CPU. why does ubuntu installs linux-386 kernel package instead of linux-686 by default?
[08:39] <thenuke> linukso: yup, I dont know anything else about that but what she said
[08:40] <Shufla> beer time :D
[08:40] <tanek> edulix: cause 386 works on amd athlon/duron 386,486 etc
[08:40] <linukso> i386 is default, but just install the 686 kernel and remove the old one after rebooting.
[08:41] <edulix> ok, I thought that it should install the one that better fits your pc, but of course 386 works here :)
[08:41] <kvidell> Quick! To the Tardus!
[08:41] <tanek> pizza time soon... getting hungry
[08:41] <edulix> linukso: is it really needed to remove the other one ? I bet not :P.
[08:42] <linukso> edulix: no, you can keep it if you want to...
[08:42] <linukso> edulix: but it will just take up space.
[08:42] <MasterYoda> is there anything wrong with backports?
[08:42] <edulix> linukso: oks then. I'll install the new one, and if it works well, then I'll remove the old one :P
[08:43] <kisain> YAY! i got my ubuntu back ^_^
[08:43] <edulix> kisone: oh that's great :)
[08:43] <_simple> how can i add firestarter to the mainmenu?
[08:43] <_simple> well add and take away various things from the gnome mainmenu
[08:43] <_simple> change icons, that stuff
[08:43] <Gwildor> umm, that is a text file...somewhere
[08:43] <MasterYoda> I am getting 500 errors
[08:43] <kisain> now i have to figure out if i want the kde to :/
[08:43] <Gwildor> basically...."manually"
[08:44] <linukso> _simple: take a look at ubuntuguide.org. Search for menueditor there.
[08:44] <_simple> i thought i would want kde, gnome has grown on me
[08:44] <_simple> alright :D
[08:44] <kisain> can gnome run everyhthing kde does?
[08:44] <jeroen_> kisain, uh, yeah
[08:45] <Liverman> shit, jeg har lige fundet en fejl i vores rapport
[08:45] <MasterYoda> any one know anything?
[08:45] <MasterYoda> about backports?
[08:45] <|QuaD-_> this might sound like a dumb question, but does anyone know of a service that provides free or super cheap vds (virtual dedicated servers)?
[08:45] <_simple> like what kisain?
[08:45] <kisain> well with kde the last time i could run teamspeak
[08:45] <kisain> ubuntu for some reason coulden't (or maybe i screwed it up)
[08:46] <kisain> don't really know though
[08:46] <Gwildor> well, "last time" when it could run, was it on ubuntu using kde?
[08:46] <kisain> yes
[08:47] <nikolaus_> someone has problems with xmms-mp4 too? i think xmms doesnt recognize the plugin
[08:47] <_simple> well isn't kde just the desktop interface?
[08:47] <james_> would it be wiser to purchase a 1gb dual channel kit of noname (enet marketing) cas 2.5 ram, or a kit of mushkin cas 3 ram?  motherboard = msi k8n neo4-f
[08:47] <kisain> yu know i'm really not shure
[08:47] <_simple> what should the command be to run firestarter root since i'm adding it to the system menu?
[08:48] <_simple> not sudo firestarter is it oO
[08:48] <Gwildor> simple, yes it is, it was the way he worded it....he said it did work with KDE, but now it wont with ubuntu.....that doesn't really maek sence, im sure he meant gnome instead of ubuntu...but I had to check
[08:48] <_simple> oh
[08:48] <Gwildor> and yes, it would be sudo su
[08:48] <_simple> well i looked for teamspeak or whatever i didn't se it
[08:48] <Gwildor> err, sudo firestarter
[08:49] <Gwildor> just becaues it isnt in the "menu" doesn't mean it isnt there
[08:49] <SeamusLT> james_:  The CAS latency isn't going to matter that much
[08:49] <Gwildor> not EVERYTHIGN gets added to the menu....;or atleast thjats the way it was last time I used ubuntu
[08:49] <SeamusLT> james_: But in terms of overall reliability, going with a known brand does help
[08:49] <kisain> it's a third party program
[08:49] <kisain> you have to get it from the internet and install it
[08:49] <SeamusLT> james_:  You're talking about a difference of .5 nanoseconds, and maybe one fps in a game.
[08:49] <kisain> how do i change the repositorys to give me access to everything?
[08:49] <Gwildor> yeah, then it may not get added to the meniu...try to launch from terminal
[08:50] <kisain> no it got added to the menu
[08:50] <kisain> it just woulden't run
[08:50] <Gwildor> AHHHH
[08:50] <kisain> when i clicked on the icon
[08:50] <Gwildor> well, try to run it from terminal...see if it gives any errors
[08:50] <_simple> kisain:  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[08:50] <kisain> thanx simple
[08:52] <sijp> hello everyone!
[08:52] <osity> hey yo....any software raid guys in here?>
[08:52] <Gwildor> hi
[08:52] <kisain> be back
[08:53] <SeamusLT> james_: I had a friend who bought some cheap ram and he learned his lesson when it went bad after a year.
[08:54] <toresbe> SeamusLT: yeah, "wow, that cheap ram lastes long enough to be economical, concidering the fact that by now, quality ram twice the size can be had at half the price!
[08:55] <osity> LEARN your lesson boy!!
[08:55] <osity> Or I'll make you learn it with a hammer!
[08:55] <osity> right in the smacker!
[08:55] <osity> there will be chiclets all over.....
[08:56] <osity> magyar pinache
[08:57] <SeamusLT> toresbe: heh.  This guy wanted to use cheap ram because it was advertised to run at cas 2.5, as opposed to the mushkin which runs at cas 3.  What I want to know is how you can be a cheapskate and a performance twink at the same time.
[08:57] <_simple> for all the stuff KDE installed within ubuntu like "ark" "konsole" gnome has one too right?
[08:58] <Kevin_> how can i make an icon on mu ubunutu desktop witht he trash can, or add a icon for it on the bottom panels casue the one that was already there i accidently deleted
[08:58] <toresbe> SeamusLT: easy! by shopping price-conciously :P
[08:58] <bluemax> i know this doesn't really relate to ubuntu, but does anyone here know about JACK/Qsynth and getting MIDI sequencers to run?
[08:58] <apsuva> aranzda trk var m :)
[08:58] <dr_willis> _simple,  for the most part yea.. however I use both kde and gnome.
[08:58] <_simple> yeah
[08:59] <_simple> but they just take up space because the ones installed with gnome run in kde?
[08:59] <apsuva> hi
[08:59] <dr_willis> _simple,  i use kde and gnome aps in either one :P ya may have some little issues - but rarely
[09:00] <_simple> i can actually take any added in the gnome menu, remove them, and just have them in the kde menu when running kde right?
[09:00] <dr_willis> _simple,  you can totally customize your menus if you want.
[09:00] <_simple> sweet, so no need for being drastic to REMOVE IT ALL NOW
[09:01] <dr_willis> _simple,  hard drives are cheap. :P i tend to isntall everything - and never remove much.
[09:01] <_simple> yeah mines 180gb so i won't have to worry about anything too soon
[09:01] <dr_willis> 180gb is huge. :P
[09:01] <_simple> and two spare ones i'm not using
[09:01] <_simple> ;P
[09:02] <dr_willis> for linux and 'real' work..
[09:02] <dr_willis> for porn archival.. well......
[09:02] <_simple> lol
[09:02] <kimo> 180gb of p0rn OMG
[09:02] <_simple> i'd sell that...
[09:02] <_simple> mad money for somethingl ike that on ebay
[09:02] <KongenBX> How do i install sshd for ubuntu?
[09:02] <kimo> apt-get install ssh :)
[09:02] <_simple> "the full bangbus series included"! that'd be like the selling point
[09:02] <_simple> ;o
[09:03] <tritium> KongenBX, sudo apt-get install openssh-server (or just ssh)
[09:03] <apsuva> how do create file on desktop?
[09:03] <kimo> is kde too bad on ubuntu ?
[09:03] <_simple> rightclick and click 'create file'?
[09:03] <_simple> kde is fine on ubuntu
[09:03] <kimo> :)
[09:03] <apsuva> yes _simple
[09:03] <_simple> alright well like that then :D
[09:03] <apsuva> but not root access error
[09:03] <_simple> oh
[09:04] <kimo> _simple: really ? every review starts with Ubuntu is a gnome distro
[09:04] <_simple> it is, but can install kde no problemn
[09:04] <dr_willis> KDE works very very well under Ubuntu. and is trivial to install/add to the ubuntu install.
[09:04] <_simple> and runs fine
[09:04] <thenuke> kimo: no wonder. If it is default
[09:04] <dr_willis> or you can get the Kubuntu cd :P
[09:04] <Gwildor> lol, really
[09:05] <_simple> you bet your sweet asspercreame
[09:05] <dr_willis> have fun ya all. work time.
[09:05] <kimo> thenuke: but I can easily apt-get install kde, right
[09:05] <_simple> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:05] <huttan> What should I do when my MP3 player doesn't respond? USB devices should be "plug and play" in Ubuntu, right?
[09:05] <thenuke> kimo: Righto
[09:05] <lotusleaf> While I did install KDE in Ubuntu, when I load KDE the drives don't auto mount like they do in Gnome, so I have to jump to cmmd line and mount them all manually each time (CDrom drives that is)
[09:05] <thenuke> kimo: and you should do it like _simple said :)
[09:06] <Pupeno> Hello
[09:06] <thenuke> instead of apt-getting kde
[09:06] <Pupeno> How do I configure my network interfaces on ubuntu ?
[09:06] <_simple> thenuke:  how can i remove the little lock on the desktop icons?
[09:06] <_simple> x: they're ugly
[09:06] <kimo> I hear kubuntu is not as smooth
[09:06] <clsk> what's that link for the list of the current official repositories?
[09:06] <thenuke> _simple: :o I dont know what you are talking about
[09:06] <_simple> oh, well i have little locks on the icon
[09:07] <_simple> upper right corner of the icon
[09:07] <_simple> i guess it means it's mounted maybe? i'm new
[09:07] <_simple> not even a week on ubuntu :D
[09:07] <apsuva> how to root access???
[09:07] <_simple> first distro, it's gravy
[09:07] <zetor> hello all!
[09:07] <lotusleaf> hi
[09:07] <apsuva> i not create file on dekstop :(
[09:07] <_simple> hello zetor
[09:07] <tritium> apsuva, use sudo
[09:07] <Kevin_> how can i make an icon on mu ubunutu desktop witht he trash can, or add a icon for it on the bottom panels casue the one that was already there i accidently deleted
[09:08] <zetor> simple: hello!
[09:08] <thenuke> _simple: well, in matter of fact, I have not had ubuntu on my desktop PC for a long time =)
[09:08] <_simple> right click the panel Kevin_ then add to panel
[09:08] <Gwildor> Kevin_ right click, and ad a new one
[09:08] <_simple> and if you go through it it's in alphabetical order and there is trash
[09:08] <_simple> ahh
[09:08] <lotusleaf> I switched from SUSE to ubuntu. I hate RPMs.
[09:08] <Kevin_> alright thanks
[09:08] <KongenBX> how do i install xvid and divx drivers for ununtu ?
[09:08] <_simple> just recently readded it?
[09:08] <_simple> do like apt-cache search divx
[09:09] <apsuva> tritium
[09:09] <KongenBX> have done that, but i dont find anything
[09:09] <apsuva> how do use sudo?
[09:09] <apsuva> sudo pass?
[09:09] <_simple> yeah
[09:09] <_simple> sudo "command"
[09:09] <tritium> apsuva, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:09] <Kevin_> also i wanted to make my ubuntu desktop look like the vidalinux desktop, if you seent he screenshots, there is a that nice MACOS like tray that holds items
[09:09] <_simple> then it'll ask for your root pass
[09:09] <_simple> link a url that has a screenie
[09:09] <tritium> apsuva, you don't have to enable the root account.  I'd advise against it
[09:10] <lotusleaf> tritium but I feel naked without my own customized root password ;P
[09:10] <clsk> anyone has a list of all the current official repositories?
[09:10] <tritium> lotusleaf, well, nobody's forcing you ;)
[09:11] <huttan> What should I do when my MP3 player doesn't respond? USB devices should be "plug and play" in Ubuntu, right?
[09:11] <lotusleaf> clsk, if you have ubuntu installed, you should on your hd
[09:11] <lotusleaf> clsk, just uncomment them
[09:11] <IIIEars> Firestarter closes when i close the terminal window. - How do i fix it?
[09:11] <alexrait> hello, I have some difficulties with openoffice 1.1.3 on ubuntu. It keeps crashing whenever I click on some menu... it says there is an unrecoverable problem and it should be closed..
[09:11] <lotusleaf> IIIEars, dont run it from terminal
[09:12] <alexrait> Where can I found the log for it.... or what should I do?
[09:12] <IIIEars> " box? or add to a special script?run command"
[09:12] <lotusleaf> IIIEars, check in Applications -> System Tools
[09:12] <alexrait> I tried to delete .openoffice but it didn't help...
[09:13] <El_Che> any know problems in ubuntu unstable (borked xfotns?) or probably just me?
[09:13] <IIIEars> Will it start on boot up?
[09:13] <El_Che> IIIEars: talking to me?
[09:13] <lotusleaf> IIIEars, I don't know, you may have to add it, this is mentioned on the ubuntu forums though so search for it
[09:13] <lapo> hi there
[09:13] <El_Che> (no)
[09:14] <El_Che> :)
[09:14] <IIIEars> Thank You. :)
[09:14] <lotusleaf> IIIEars, yw ;)
[09:14] <AirWays> How I can take a snapshot? I have Kubuntu
[09:14] <lotusleaf> AirWays, KSnapshot
[09:15] <k31th> guys
[09:16] <Jurku> El_Che, I had some problems with breezy and xfonts,, I installed hoary
[09:16] <k31th> where can i get a repository for mozilla-calandar and mozilla-suite ?
[09:16] <k31th> or a .deb
[09:17] <Maidenb> Necesito ayuda para poder instalar y usar ndiswrapper
[09:17] <tritium> k31th, universe
[09:17] <Jurku> I fixed that xfont problem but breezy was so broken that I installed hoary again :)
[09:17] <tritium> Maidenb, #ubuntu-es
[09:17] <El_Che> Jurku: machine dies (at least screen) does when reaching X (logs says can not find fixed fonts), but it doesn't find /sbin/getty ...
[09:17] <IIIEars> lotusleaf -  very used to rebooting after changing windows network settings. - linux just applies the changes. nice.
[09:17] <Jurku> El_Che, yeah, I had same problem...
[09:17] <El_Che> ah ok
[09:18] <El_Che> so ubuntu unstable *is* unstable, unlike debian's :)
[09:18] <Jurku> iirc, reconfiguring x solved that
[09:18] <Thorrn4> hello, I was wondering, if my brother has a 2nd hd for Windows , could I add it to my computer? will Ubuntu read Win partitions?
[09:18] <Jurku> I messed it with a bit and it got solved :)
[09:18] <lapo> El_Che, how unsable it is?
[09:18] <Jurku> reinstalled stuff and so on...
[09:18] <Funraiser> Thorrn4, read yes
[09:19] <alessandro_> hi all :)
[09:19] <tritium> El_Che, at the moment, breezy is going through a C++ transition
[09:19] <Maidenb> what conf the password root???
[09:19] <lapo> El_Che, does it boot?
[09:19] <Thorrn4> Funraiser,  does it matter what type of format?
[09:19] <tritium> Maidenb, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:19] <El_Che> tritium: I see
[09:19] <El_Che> lapo: boot, yes
[09:19] <alessandro_> who can tell me I can use my internal modem (intel ac'97) or external usb modem?
[09:19] <Funraiser> Thorr4, it does NTFS is read only
[09:19] <El_Che> lapo: I'm now ssh to my server :)
[09:20] <rj`> How do you burn svcd's under ubuntu?
[09:20] <IIIEars> Is ntfs captive a good idea?
[09:20] <Tron|BoRG> Hello all
[09:20] <El_Che> lapo: but dies after
[09:20] <Gwildor> rj` doesn't k3b do that?
[09:20] <Funraiser> Thorrn4, the other formats, can't remember
[09:20] <ogi_> Why doesn't totem play wmv files even though I've got w32codecs installled..mplayer plays them nicely
[09:20] <El_Che> lapo: i stopped the booting process
[09:20] <tritium> El_Che, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyToolchainTransition
[09:20] <Thorrn4> fat
[09:20] <_simple> why would when streaming virgin radio station with rythmbox after each song i get unexpected end of stream or during their little commercials it happens?
[09:20] <Thorrn4> 32
[09:20] <rj`> Gwildor: it does?
[09:20] <Thorrn4> ?
[09:20] <El_Che> tritium: ill try that in links :)
[09:21] <Funraiser> Thorrn4, should be able to read it at least
[09:21] <El_Che> tritium: i'll downgrade to hoary
[09:21] <tritium> El_Che, that's one of the reasons you're strongly encouraged not to run breezy right now
[09:21] <Pupeno> can anybody please tell me how to configure the network on kubuntu ? /etc/init.d/network fails to start without any further messages and I can't find anything in the logs, so, I don't get my interfaces configured properly. And I had to start pppoe by hand, it is supoused to start automatically.
[09:21] <Chiletix> How can I check witch sound hardware I have??
[09:21] <El_Che> tritium: runned sid all my life and got bored with ubuntu stable :)
[09:21] <Pupeno> Chiletix: lspci ?
[09:21] <wdh> does anyone have any clues why the sound of all video files played here is not synchronised with the video stream? i tried totem-xine, mplayer and gmplayer, all with the same result
[09:21] <El_Che> tritium: looked like my solaris at work: never new packages :)
[09:21] <Chiletix> Pupeno, thanks
[09:22] <Funraiser> ogi, use xine instead
[09:22] <tritium> El_Che, there have been similar transitions before in debian (e.g. libc)
[09:22] <El_Che> C
[09:22] <El_Che> tritium: idd
[09:22] <El_Che> tritium: a remeber a few
[09:22] <mjr> Funraiser, totem-xine is essentially the same
[09:22] <Pupeno> Is my question really that hard that nobody knows an answer ?
[09:22] <g14> wdh: I know in totem-gstreamer, it is the avsync issue with gstreamer
[09:22] <Funraiser> mjr, ok didn't know
[09:22] <mjr> wdh, try disabling esd
[09:22] <tritium> Pupeno, /etc/network/interfaces is where the interfaces get configured.  also, read the interfaces manpage
[09:23] <mjr> and playing straight to the alsa driver
[09:23] <mjr> (if you were playing via esd before)
[09:23] <g14> wdh: In totem-gstreamer it will sync better if you go fullscreen. Hit f to go between windowed mode and fullscreen
[09:23] <wdh> mjr, not afaik
[09:23] <Funraiser> mjr, but is he using totem or totem xine?
[09:23] <wdh> mjr, but i'll check it
[09:23] <mjr> Funraiser, he said he'd tried totem-xine
[09:24] <Pupeno> tritium: I've already configured them there, in fact, they where already kinda configured, but something must be wrong, because /etc/init.d/network fails, but since I can't see any log, I can't find out what's wrong and solve it. And during the installation there was a nice set of dialogs to configure the interfaces, I'd like to use them.
[09:24] <_simple> stream randomly errors?
[09:25] <tritium> Pupeno, have you checked the various log files in /var/log?
[09:25] <tritium> Pupeno, also, you can try System->Administration->Networking if you prefer
[09:25] <misteryyy> yooo
[09:25] <Pupeno> tritium: yes, I couldn't find anything.
[09:26] <misteryyy> wtf?
[09:26] <misteryyy> i dont understand
[09:26] <Pupeno> tritium: I'm using kubuntu.
[09:26] <misteryyy> where i a problem
[09:26] <misteryyy> ping is ok
[09:26] <misteryyy> but www sites dont works
[09:26] <misteryyy> ?
[09:26] <tritium> Pupeno, oh, I see...try asking in #kubuntu what configuration tools they might use in kde
[09:27] <Pupeno> tritium: I'm looking for the text mode tool that runs at install time... nobody seems to know on kubuntu how to configure the network.
[09:27] <misteryyy> ??
[09:27] <misteryyy> help
[09:27] <misteryyy> plz
[09:28] <tritium> Pupeno, sudo base-config
[09:28] <Pupeno> tritium: thank you.
[09:28] <_simple> realplayer is telling me Cannot open the audio device. Another application may be using it. but when using rythmbox it's fine, how to configure realplayer?
[09:28] <_simple> i'm using crappy onboard chip audio
[09:29] <lapo> simple: you need to make it use esd
[09:29] <_simple> how can i do that?
[09:29] <_simple> ;/
[09:29] <lapo> is there realplayer for amd64?
[09:29] <Pupeno> tritium: I can't find it there.
[09:30] <_simple> i'm not using realplayer for amd64
[09:30] <_simple> well there might be i won't need it*
[09:30] <_simple> i don't see on on the "updates" page
[09:30] <tritium> Pupeno, it might only be part of the installer, then.
[09:30] <_simple> nothing mentioning for amd64 atleast
[09:31] <Lafitte-> what do you do when you apt-get install program    then cant find the  file to run     even when searching the whole file system      but apt reports it installed
[09:31] <Thorrn4> I have a quick question.... does the site htp://www.torrentazos.com work for anyone? it doesnt for me
[09:32] <Lafitte-> id add    htpp  instead of htp
[09:32] <Gwildor> well, you are missing a t in http
[09:32] <_simple> try running it in the terminal as it's called
[09:32] <_simple> like what did you install?
[09:32] <Gwildor> but, I can get to that site
[09:32] <Lafitte-> oh yeah http
[09:32] <_simple> what was the apt-get install "program"?
[09:32] <Lafitte-> doh  i even got that wrong
[09:32] <Lafitte-> xgalaga
[09:33] <_simple> try xgalaga from the terminal
[09:33] <Lafitte-> i installed it then could not find link  or run it
[09:33] <Lafitte-> no it didnt work
[09:33] <_simple> hm
[09:33] <Lafitte-> i tried  that and ./xgalaga    .xgalaga    xgalaga
[09:33] <Lafitte-> i searched filesystem for xgalaga    not found
[09:33] <cyrix_> does anyone know if it is possible to set transset when starting a program! I am getting tired of doing it manually everytime :D
[09:33] <_simple> goto
[09:33] <_simple> menu then "run application"
[09:34] <_simple> and type in xgalaga
[09:34] <_simple> should work there
[09:34] <Lafitte-> yeah i could try that     hold on  i nee dinstall again  i removed it
[09:34] <Funraiser> Thorrn4, write http not htp
[09:34] <Lafitte-> yeah works there
[09:35] <yaaar> I've got an issue with nautilus. It's running *crazy* slow on my usb hard drive. The drive is only connected via usb1.1, but konqueror runs fine on it on the same machine (running hoary). For reference, it usually takes konq about a second or two to open a folder, but the time nautilus takes is measured in minutes....for the same folder. Any ideas what might cause this?
[09:35] <_simple> lapo: any help on making realplayer use esd
[09:36] <lapo> _simple, I don't have a realplayer at hand, sorry
[09:36] <_simple> no worry i'll google it
[09:36] <eis_os> Hi, I have a small big problem, I try to copy grub into a file to load via ntloader, but grub hangs saying GRUB and then nothing
[09:37] <Funraiser> installing kubuntu fucked my system
[09:38] <eis_os> (the system worked with an fedora grub)
[09:42] <Funraiser> please someone tell me if this site works, pick a song and tell me if the stream works http://www.magnatune.com
[09:45] <humbraro> Funraiser: the jazz/blues stream on that site seems to have crashed my player
[09:45] <Funraiser> humbraro, usually it works well, something must be wrong tonight then, what player is it?
[09:46] <humbraro> Funraiser: music match jukebox on windoze atm
[09:46] <XincX> hi
[09:46] <Funraiser> humbraro, thanks, sorry for the crash
[09:46] <humbraro> Funraiser np
[09:47] <XincX> I have DSL internet service from sympatico, i am trying to configure it but no success... anyone can help me ?
[09:48] <XincX> i tried pppoeconf, but it say that my modem is use by another application...
[09:52] <Thorrn4> ....the Ubuntu Guide does not talk about mounting another Harddrive
[09:52] <Thorrn4> how can I do it? it is a NTFS drive
[09:52] <_simple> i dont' think you can
[09:53] <_simple> but that's me thinking again
[09:53] <teknoprep> do what
[09:53] <nalioth> Thorrn4: look beyond the ubuntuguide
[09:53] <XincX> /mnt/windows
[09:53] <teknoprep> mount ntfs
[09:53] <thingfish> why wouldn't you be able to mount it?
[09:53] <_simple> i think it has to be a fat32 partition
[09:53] <Funraiser> Thorrn4, but there is something about mounting NTFS right?
[09:53] <nalioth> Thorrn4: mounting hard drives of any flavors is a common linux operation
[09:53] <_simple> idk, i just thought not
[09:53] <lapo> Thorrn4, mount -t ntfs /your/dev /your/mountpoint
[09:53] <nalioth> _simple: Thorrn4 the state of read/write to NTFS is not stable
[09:53] <teknoprep> Thorrn4, yeah
[09:53] <Thorrn4> I dont get it nalioth
[09:54] <_simple> but is possible
[09:54] <_simple> okie
[09:54] <nalioth> _simple: Thorrn4 the possiblity of data/HD corruption if you write to an NTFS drive does exist
[09:54] <_simple> yeah
[09:54] <_simple> which will screw you bad if it happens
[09:54] <nalioth> _simple: Thorrn4 however if you mount read only, you shouldnt have many problems
[09:54] <_simple> oh
[09:54] <thingfish> yeah, you don't want to try to write to an ntfs partition.
[09:54] <Thorrn4> .....
[09:54] <Thorrn4> that doesnt help me at all
[09:54] <Thorrn4> :(
[09:55] <_simple> how doesn't it?
[09:55] <_simple> [15:53]  <lapo> Thorrn4, mount -t ntfs /your/dev /your/mountpoint
[09:55] <XincX> I have DSL internet service from sympatico, i am trying to configure it but no success... anyone can help me ?
[09:55] <thingfish> Thorrn4: what lapo told you should help a lot.
[09:55] <nalioth> Thorrn4: ask uncle google, he will help you (or go to www.tldp.org and wallow in the knowledge there)
[09:55] <Thorrn4> I need 2 write to it
[09:55] <Thorrn4> and get stuff off of it
[09:55] <Thorrn4> grrr
[09:55] <thingfish> no no
[09:56] <Thorrn4> why does the problem accure?
[09:56] <thingfish> get stuff off, yes
[09:56] <_simple> can't you right click and goto properties and set the persmission?
[09:56] <thingfish> write to it, no.
[09:56] <Thorrn4> why?
[09:56] <_simple> if you wanted to, but shouldn't?
[09:56] <Pupeno-> I remember a program to configure which services to start at boot-time on Debian, is it available on ubuntu ?
[09:56] <thingfish> Thorrn4: because the technology just isn't there yet.
[09:56] <Thorrn4> ....grrr
[09:57] <Thorrn4> I guess that I could mount it and get all of the stuff off
[09:57] <Pupeno-> Hello
[09:57] <_simple> why would you need that type of partiton, do you use windows still?
[09:57] <_simple> or are you trying to save something
[09:57] <Thorrn4> no...I use Linux...only Linux
[09:57] <Thorrn4> let me tell u why
[09:57] <nalioth> Thorrn4: it is possible, to mount ntfs. go 2 www.tldp.org
[09:57] <_simple> i dont' need to be told :D we all have our obvious reasons
[09:58] <thingfish> I can't think of anything like that offhand, Pupeno-, do you have an app name?
[09:58] <colera> how d oi get rid of the desktop icons?
[09:58] <Pupeno-> thingfish: nope.
[09:58] <gumball> hmmmm interesting .-)
[09:58] <colera> like the cd that is mounted
[09:58] <colera> ?
[09:58] <danko123456> colera, what exactly do you want?
[09:59] <Thorrn4> I use to have Win....2 hd, 1 for the OS and 1 for Anime/music dls; Win messed up my 1st hd and I installed Linux on it (wiped it) but the Anime/music I still want...80 gb hd...what does Linux read? so I can still use the hd
[09:59] <Chiletix> how can I play wmv and wma on linux
[09:59] <Chiletix> ??
[09:59] <colera> danko123456: i want to get rid of the icons that come onto my desktop when a cd or usb drive is mounted
[09:59] <danko123456> I can tell you how to remove those, there is an entry explaining it on ubuntuguide.org, in particular, http://ubuntuguide.org/#showdesktopicons
[09:59] <gumball> install the w32 codecs www rpmfind.net
[10:00] <danko123456> colera, as for those, you need to go into the configuration editor as well.
[10:00] <danko123456> ask me again if you dont figure it out now.
[10:00] <colera> k
[10:00] <colera> thnks
[10:00] <danko123456> in pm, too, I may not be looking at the channel.
[10:00] <nalioth> Thorrn4: my advice would be to mount the NTFS read-only, back up your stuff, and then reformat it to a linux filesystem
[10:00] <nalioth> Thorrn4: and put all your stuff back
[10:00] <Thorrn4> how?
[10:01] <Thorrn4> so I would have 2 Linux hds? 2 Linux machines?
[10:01] <Chiletix> Does anybody nows how to play wmv and wma files on linux,?
[10:01] <nalioth> Thorrn4: The Linux Documentation Project (www.tldp.org) has tons of info on mounting every possible device that can be stuck into a machine
[10:01] <Thorrn4> read http://ubuntuguide.org/ Chiletix, it is there
[10:01] <gumball> i still have a winsys in use, because not all i want works well at this time (i am a newbie)
[10:01] <Thorrn4> I used it and it works
[10:01] <nalioth> Thorrn4: it doesnt have to come from ubuntuguide
[10:02] <IceGuest5> Is it possible to install ubuntu over a network link?
[10:02] <Funraiser> aren't all those desktops neat : http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?search_start=40&p=app&app_name=gdesklets
[10:03] <Thorrn4> so....what type of partition do I need to create for the new hd? just install a version of Linux all together?
[10:03] <Funraiser> IceGuest5, did u check the ubuntu website?
[10:03] <Chiletix> thanks bye
[10:03] <nasti> no sound, any suggestions?
[10:04] <IceGuest5> cant
[10:04] <IceGuest5> blaeh sorry
[10:04] <IceGuest5> its not obvious if its on there
[10:04] <Thorrn4> nasti, http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[10:05] <Funraiser> IceGuest5, i know u can upgrade for sure online, but a full install online i don't think that's possible, but not sure
[10:05] <biggysmalls>  hello
[10:05] <Funraiser> hello biggy
[10:05] <gumball> nasti go to a console type sudo lsmod | grep sound
[10:05] <Thorrn4> thanx for the help everyone......but what type of partition should be on the new hd to read and write to?
[10:06] <webchat7822> hola
[10:06] <gumball> ext2 or ext3
[10:06] <IceGuest5> ok, thanks anyway
[10:06] <gumball> or reiser
[10:06] <Funraiser> IceGuest5, almost sure
[10:06] <thingfish> Thorrn4: ext3 probably
[10:06] <Thorrn4> thanc thingfish
[10:06] <Thorrn4> thanx**
[10:07] <thingfish> np Thorrn4
[10:07] <colera> how do you get nautilus to load the folders in the same window?
[10:07] <mattgirv> Hey, I followed this guide to the dot.. - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&page=1&pp=10 - and fglrxinfo shows it as still using Mesa3D
[10:07] <yaaar> I've got an issue with nautilus. It's running *crazy* slow on my usb hard drive. The drive is only connected via usb1.1, but konqueror runs fine on it on the same machine (running hoary). For reference, it usually takes konq about a second or two to open a folder, but the time nautilus takes is measured in minutes....for the same folder. Any ideas what might cause this?
[10:07] <Funraiser> colera, double click middle button mousse
[10:08] <danko123456> mine does that automtically, just by itself, when I upgrade to Hoary.
[10:08] <Funraiser> colera, u're on warthy?
[10:08] <danko123456> I must say I liked it opening in a separate window better.
[10:08] <thingfish> colera: Edit>Preferences, Behaviour tab, Always open in browser windows.
[10:09] <danko123456> thingfish, that is something different, you tried?
[10:09] <nasti> gumball: after doing sudo lsmod | grep sound?
[10:09] <thingfish> danko123456: I do not like spatial mode.
[10:10] <gumball> nasti what does the console show nothing ?
[10:10] <nasti> gumball - soundcore      9824  2   snd
[10:10] <gumball> ok module is loaded. what version do you use ? warty or hoary
[10:10] <danko123456> thingfish: the always open in a browser changes what your nautilus looks like, complately.
[10:10] <gumball> ??
[10:11] <eis_os> bye all
[10:11] <danko123456> It is like, folder viewer, vs. windows explorer in windows. kinda.
[10:11] <thingfish> danko123456: yes, back to how it was before they changed it to spatial.
[10:11] <jaco^> hi all
[10:11] <danko123456> thingfish: spatial means nothing to me:)
[10:11] <jaco^> i'm testing breezy
[10:11] <nasti> no suggestions gumball?
[10:11] <thingfish> hi jaco^
[10:11] <danko123456> jaco^: how is it?
[10:11] <jaco^> there is some problem with beagle
[10:12] <thingfish> danko123456: that's what they call it when each window opens separately.
[10:12] <jaco^> it require dbus-1.dev
[10:12] <gumball> if postets you something did you read ??
[10:12] <Pupeno-> thingfish: it's called rcconf. :D
[10:12] <thingfish> hehe
[10:12] <nasti> no
[10:12] <Funraiser> is it possible to have a different wallpaper in each desktop?
[10:12] <gumball> i asked what version of ubuntu you use..
[10:12] <jaco^> but installing dbus1, gdm, capplets, terminal and many others are removed
[10:13] <danko123456> thingfish, anyhow, have you tried both, normal, and browser windows?? not really important, tell me a way to test my microphone...to see if it works.
[10:13] <nasti> hoary 5.04
[10:13] <lapo> what's happened to ubuntu calendar?
[10:13] <gumball> ok your language on the desktop '?'?
[10:13] <danko123456> someone asked that already...what is this calendar thing?
[10:13] <nasti> english
[10:14] <gumball> ok i user german but i try
[10:14] <nasti> thank you
[10:14] <gumball> do you have a speakersymbol in your tast ?
[10:14] <lapo> danko123456, ubuntu pr0n
[10:14] <nasti> yes
[10:14] <IIIEars> Click on the time in the top right for calender?
[10:14] <X-Stuff> I don't receive my password for the ubuntu website after registeren, (about 4, 5 hours ago, and just asked again to resend it)
[10:14] <gumball> what desktop you use gnome or kde
[10:14] <danko123456> lapo, is that a sentence? are you speaking...words:-p
[10:14] <nasti> gnome
[10:15] <lapo> danko123456, not at all :-)
[10:15] <danko123456> you know that episode of family guy? anyhow, :) that means nothing, can you google that?
[10:15] <gumball> ok. rightclick on the speakersymbol then open the controls
[10:15] <Funraiser> "do u understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?"
[10:15] <nasti> ok
[10:15] <gumball> control open ??
[10:15] <thingfish> hehe Funraiser
[10:15] <nasti> yes
[10:16] <thingfish> what's that guy's name...chris tucker.
[10:16] <lapo> danko123456, in ubuntu used to be a package named ubuntu-calendar which...well..was updated every mounth with a new desktop background usually with naked people :-)
[10:16] <thingfish> oooh
[10:17] <danko123456> ah...k, Ill check it out...
[10:17] <thingfish> yeah, I started using ubuntu for the orgies.
[10:17] <danko123456> haha:)
[10:17] <gumball> ok what is about the controls are they all on and pulled up ? (sorry for my bad english i had not used it for a very long time)
[10:18] <danko123456> how can I test my microphone if it is working?
[10:18] <nasti> they are all up
[10:18] <mattgirv> Hey, I followed this guide to the dot.. - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&page=1&pp=10 - and fglrxinfo shows it as still using Mesa3D
[10:18] <hillel> [Newbie] How can I check which dependencies will be installed before installing a package?
[10:18] <nasti> what device should I have selected?
[10:18] <thingfish> Applications>Sound and Video>Sound Recorder
[10:19] <IIIEars> lol - i speak english every day and still do it badly no need for an apology. (your english is better than my second languge "Californian "Doo-od")
[10:19] <gumball> on playback and record ??
[10:19] <nasti> currently it is "Analog Devices AD1980 (OSS Mixer)"
[10:19] <nasti> yes
[10:19] <danko123456> thingfish: it does not work there, is there anywhere with a graphical equalizer so I can see if it moves when I speak?
[10:20] <thingfish> danko123456: have you checked your volume controls, to make sure the mic is not muted?
[10:20] <gumball> ok another test. click on system then on preferences and then the audio symbol.
[10:20] <nasti> ok
[10:20] <nasti> done
[10:20] <danko123456> ok, it works, thanks.
[10:20] <X-Stuff> hillel: i think you need to use the parameter -s
[10:21] <gumball> start sound server on gnome startup is active ??
[10:21] <nasti> yes
[10:21] <X-Stuff> anyone knows who's responsible here for the website and receiving the activation password from the website??
[10:21] <hillel> X-Stuff:OK, I will give it a try.
[10:22] <gumball> ok next step. click on system then pref. and finaly multimedia system
[10:22] <nasti> ok done
[10:22] <marios> hello everyone
[10:22] <hillel> X-Stuff: Thanks for the help that seems to do.
[10:22] <IIIEars> Hello marios
[10:23] <gumball> click on the testbutton do you hear a sound if not test another configuration
[10:23] <X-Stuff> hillel: np
[10:23] <marios> what's up in here these time?
[10:23] <misieq> hi!
[10:23] <danko123456> hey, hey...
[10:23] <misieq> what's webadmin?
[10:23] <thingfish> just the usual, marios.
[10:23] <X-Stuff> i'm such an idiot, waiting for activation mail in wrong email account, lol :P
[10:23] <marios> :)
[10:23] <IIIEars> << fourth week with Ubuntu! - :)
[10:23] <thingfish> I'm kind of new here myself.
[10:23] <thingfish> Still first week for me.
[10:24] <X-Stuff> not even started yet :)
[10:24] <thingfish> hehe
[10:24] <danko123456> misieq: too general question, well, it has something to do with web servers, I dont know much, a google can answer that I bet,...
[10:24] <nasti> nothing
[10:24] <misieq> well... it gives ambiguous results, that's why i'm asking here
[10:24] <IIIEars> << Windows for storage - lol
[10:25] <marios> again mentioning WinBlows....please stop :p
[10:25] <k31th> is there an equivilent to ISO buster ?
[10:25] <thingfish> hey, does anybody else get glacially slow visualization (goom) in totem when playing mp3s?  O
[10:25] <gumball> ok does anyone know avidemux ??
[10:25] <thingfish> I'm using nvidia.
[10:25] <misieq> danko123456, i think it's some web based server with which you can manage your pc, but i don't know how to connect to it
[10:26] <k31th> anyone ?
[10:26] <misieq> k31th, iso buster is some app creating iso images?
[10:26] <danko123456> misieq: just get a book on it, perhaps, or google it, or stay ehre, and ask again, maybe someone knows.
[10:26] <k31th> misieq: i want some thing that can extract iso's
[10:27] <Funraiser> by the way i have no sound on xawtv anyone has/had the same prob?
[10:27] <k31th> if i have an iso it could extract all the files inside the iso
[10:27] <misieq> k31th, read 'man mount' you can mount iso image as loop device
[10:27] <mattgirv> Hey, I followed this guide to the dot.. - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&page=1&pp=10 - and fglrxinfo shows it as still using Mesa3D
[10:27] <cartman> where do we report multiverse bugs?
[10:27] <gumball> do you installed the gstreamer??
[10:27] <thingfish> well you can mount it loopback couldn't you?
[10:27] <k31th> misieq: ah yes i guess i could mount it as an isoo then dragg the files out of the mount point
[10:28] <k31th> yeah good plan
[10:28] <Funraiser> gumball talking to me?
[10:28] <gumball> yes
[10:28] <Funraiser> gstreamer not sure
[10:28] <Funraiser> i'll check
[10:28] <IIIEars> msieq - for regular isos file roller does a good job. - if they are trashed you will need a forensic tool google will have an answer.
[10:29] <IIIEars> until i installed Ubuntu i used "Helix" linux - it's a pain.
[10:29] <linuxamoeba21> hello chaps
[10:29] <IIIEars> Law enforcement agencies use it. - based on knoppix
[10:29] <thingfish> oh cool
[10:29] <misieq> IIIEars, well the coomand to mount iso image looks somehow this way afaik "mount /path/to/iso /mount/point -o loop" and it works pretty good
[10:30] <IIIEars> Like i said it is painful to use. :(
[10:30] <linuxamoeba21> problem: i had ubuntu working fine on a new dell dimension 8400, but now kernel boot fails if my optical disk drives are enabled
[10:30] <misieq> IIIEars, perhaps you know what is crypto-loop device?
[10:30] <IIIEars> yes it does - "Virtual drive software in windows terminology.
[10:31] <gumball> shortly AFK
[10:31] <IIIEars> thought you might need to recover files iso buster used that feature in it's banner.
[10:31] <amonkey> if i wanted to put a whole bunch of nics in a box, what would i haev to do/install to get the box to work as a hub/switch?
[10:31] <linukso> Anyone here using ubuntu on an powerbook?
[10:32] <linuxamoeba21> any ideas? im thinking it has something to do with the SATA drives... but it worked before. on the last good boot the NIC failed, but disabling doesnt fix it
[10:33] <IIIEars> amonkey - a server install no gui? or gui?
[10:33] <_simple> does anybody have a little square on their screen?
[10:33] <Funraiser> _simple, where?
[10:33] <_simple> lol one second
[10:33] <amonkey> IIIEars, either
[10:34] <_simple> http://img217.echo.cx/my.php?image=wtfisthis6bu.png
[10:34] <Funraiser> gumball, well now i don't have images as well (xawtv) but yes i have gstreamer
[10:34] <_simple> it doesn't go away
[10:34] <IIIEars> I really like bastille for no gui. guessing firestarter for a server install with gui. - haven't tried it.
[10:35] <danko123456> _simple: takes long to load.
[10:35] <runelind> i'm trying to get ndiswrapper to work with my broadcom chipset in kubuntu, things worked swell in ubuntu, but I cannot seem to get it to work in kubuntu
[10:35] <g14> IIIEars: Firestarter is still pretty clean without a gui
[10:35] <ramai> hi, do anyone know how I can wath dvd's on my computer (on my hdd) without using mplayer?
[10:35] <_simple> sorry
[10:35] <_simple> not sure the size
[10:35] <Funraiser> simple, i don't have that, this must be your screen
[10:35] <IIIEars> guarddog is another good gui interface to iptables
[10:35] <_simple> imageshack takes forever to load
[10:35] <runelind> I do ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf
[10:35] <_simple> it ism y screen
[10:35] <misieq> ramai, what about xine?
[10:35] <runelind> which works fine
[10:35] <_simple> not sure what it is or where it came from
[10:35] <Funraiser> _simple, it is always on the same spot?
[10:35] <_simple> yeah
[10:35] <ramai> misieq I mean that I can use the munu's
[10:35] <_simple> like on irc, it's right there
[10:35] <_simple> in this channel window
[10:36] <_simple> in firefox browser
[10:36] <runelind> then when I do ndiswrapper -m it says modprobe already contains alias directive, which I'm sure happened due to me messing around with it a couple of times
[10:36] <_simple> i can put anything over it and it'll be on top of it
[10:36] <danko123456> _simple: not really visible on that picture...is it a LCD? I have a dot...
[10:36] <IIIEars> gl4 - heh - going to try that. - more toys. wee! - lol
[10:36] <misieq> ramai, afair there is some package dvd-menu or something...
[10:36] <linuxamoeba21> ... anybody?
[10:36] <danko123456> a red one, tho...
[10:36] <Funraiser> _simple, it's a screen defect
[10:36] <_simple> yeah lcd flatscreen
[10:36] <_simple> it randomly happens?
[10:36] <_simple> i've never noticed it before
[10:36] <runelind> but when I tried modprobe ndiswrapper it says operation not permitted (did it as root)
[10:36] <yaaar> I've got an issue with nautilus. It's running *crazy* slow on my usb hard drive. The drive is only connected via usb1.1, but konqueror runs fine on it on the same machine (running hoary). For reference, it usually takes konq about a second or two to open a folder, but the time nautilus takes is measured in minutes....for the same folder. Any ideas what might cause this?
[10:36] <danko123456> _simple: yeah, well, taht may be it, some have bad pixels...shouldnt be big, tho.
[10:37] <enrique> hi
[10:37] <misieq> ramai, i think it's dvdnav - check it out
[10:37] <enrique> can anyone help me install XFree86?
[10:37] <Funraiser> hi enrique
[10:37] <runelind> root@kubuntu:/home/mattias # modprobe ndiswrapper
[10:37] <runelind> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[10:37] <_simple> hm
[10:37] <ramai> misieq, thanks for the help!!!
[10:37] <IIIEars> really like "LIDS" anxious to learn enough about linux to use it.
[10:37] <runelind> and ndiswrapper -l says bcmwl5 invalid driver
[10:37] <_simple> weird thing
[10:37] <danko123456> enrique: that is not used in Ubuntu anymore, really...
[10:37] <Funraiser> _simple, u can post images on that website?
[10:37] <_simple> yeah
[10:37] <runelind> can anyone help?
[10:37] <_simple> hosts them (:
[10:37] <enrique> no?
[10:37] <_simple> upto 1mb size
[10:37] <enrique> well
[10:37] <enrique> my problem is
[10:37] <danko123456> sudo, runelind
[10:37] <amonkey> how would one get multiple nic's to work as a switch?
[10:37] <Funraiser> _simple, actually it happens very often
[10:38] <enrique> i've got a ATI Radeon 9600 and i want to make it work properlly
[10:38] <runelind> danko123456: I did everything as root
[10:38] <_simple> runelind: i use the same driver and i'm using my wireless rigth now
[10:38] <danko123456> runelind, oh right, it says so.
[10:38] <_simple> it's
[10:38] <_simple> sudo ndiswrapper -l /whereverthedriveris
[10:38] <runelind> yeah, it worked in ubuntu, but not in kubuntu :|
[10:38] <_simple> like if you saved the drivers to your home folder try ndiswrapper -l /home/bcmwl5.inf
[10:38] <runelind> _simple: lemme try
[10:38] <danko123456> runelind: did you follow the wiki for ndiswrapper?
[10:38] <_simple> it worked in kubuntu too :D
[10:38] <linuxamoeba21> if you can even read this, please say something
[10:38] <_simple> every linux distro i've tried
[10:38] <_simple> it worked
[10:39] <_simple> i can read that linuxamoeba21
[10:39] <runelind> danko123456: yeah that's where I am
[10:39] <Amaranth> linuxamoeba21: I can't read that.
[10:39] <danko123456> hey, linuxamoeba21, your question is not very clear, and I have no clue what could help your issue.
[10:39] <Funraiser> linuxamoeba21, something
[10:39] <enrique> can anyone help me configure my ATI Radeon 9600?
[10:39] <danko123456> enrique: did you read the wiki?
[10:39] <thingfish> ok, new kernel time.
[10:39] <danko123456> or the forums? they have info there.
[10:39] <runelind> _simple: you mean ndiswrapper -i ?
[10:39] <mattgirv> ATI Drivers, I installed them and followed several guides on the ubuntuforums.org, but when I query fglrxinfo, it says OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect. How can I get it to use FGLRX?
[10:39] <linuxamoeba21> okay, just making sure. it used to boot, and now it doesnt. it hangs on the ata2: ... line when trying to start my optical drive
[10:40] <_simple> yeah sorry
[10:40] <enrique> danko123456: you mean on the official wiki site for Ubuntu?
[10:40] <runelind> ok, it says installing
[10:40] <danko123456> Amaranth: :)
[10:40] <runelind> but when I do ndiswrapper -l it says invalid driver
[10:40] <danko123456> enrique: right, should be something there?
[10:40] <runelind> did you use bcmwl5.inf?
[10:40] <enrique> yes
[10:40] <runelind> or 5a.inf?
[10:40] <danko123456> binary driver, is that it, for the graphical card toy things?
[10:41] <danko123456> :-p
[10:41] <enrique> but i just couldn't find it
[10:41] <danko123456> let me go see.
[10:41] <_simple> i used bcmwl5.inf
[10:41] <_simple> that's the particular cards driver
[10:41] <_simple> that i'm using
[10:41] <runelind> hrm, so I wonder why it says invalid driver
[10:42] <_simple> show the error message
[10:42] <danko123456> you can use http://pastebin,com
[10:42] <_simple> oh
[10:42] <_simple> if you ... installed it improperly
[10:42] <enrique> danko123456: i could only find an Itakian wiki
[10:42] <_simple> do ndiswrapper -m bcmwl5
[10:42] <runelind> root@kubuntu:/home/mattias # ndiswrapper -l
[10:42] <runelind> Installed ndis drivers:
[10:42] <_simple> to remove it before diong it again
[10:42] <runelind> bcmwl5  invalid driver!
[10:42] <enrique> danko123456: Italian I mean
[10:42] <danko123456> just a sec, Im looking for it now...
[10:42] <danko123456> I knew that...
[10:42] <runelind> yeah I tried ndiswrapper -e
[10:42] <_simple> uh
[10:42] <_simple> -e*
[10:42] <_simple> lol..
[10:42] <danko123456> itakka was done centuries ago...
[10:42] <_simple> 'ndiswrapper -e bcmwl5'
[10:42] <runelind> so now I'm back to no drivers installed
[10:42] <_simple> that will remove it
[10:42] <stanley> hi...cananyonehelpmewith installing a driver?
[10:42] <_simple> okay
[10:43] <_simple> do you have your cd in?
[10:43] <_simple> for the card
[10:43] <_simple> which contains the driver..
[10:43] <runelind> it is off a USB drive
[10:43] <_simple> or atleast have bcmwl5.inf and bcmwl5.sys somewhere on your pc?
[10:43] <spektr> aptitude upgrade wants to upgrade 12 kde packages. Now I'm curious what the changes are. How do I get a changelog? aptitude changelog doesn't seem to work with ubuntu packages.
[10:43] <runelind> oh, lemme copy the sys file
[10:43] <runelind> that was probably the problem ;)
[10:43] <danko123456> stanley: what is the driverm you ahve to say at least that...
[10:43] <_simple> bet it was :D
[10:44] <stanley> i have just installed ubuntu...cannot changeresolutionto more than 800x600
[10:44] <danko123456> enrique: I think your card may not be in this category, but read this page at least: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto .
[10:44] <stanley> motherboardis asus cuv4x-4 with onboard s3 savage
[10:44] <danko123456> stanley, yeah, you will need to do something with xorg.conf, can anyone explain that?
[10:44] <enrique> danko123456: thank you so much! ;)
[10:44] <runelind> _simple: yeah that did it, DOH
[10:45] <laosiano> how can i install a quicktime plugin for Firefox??
[10:45] <runelind> I'm a windows person, I should know better ;)
[10:45] <mattgirv> ATI Drivers, I installed them and followed several guides on the ubuntuforums.org, but when I query fglrxinfo, it says OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect. How can I get it to use FGLRX?
[10:45] <_simple> woo :D
[10:45] <_simple> can you set it up the rest of the way?
[10:45] <IIIEars> stanley -sudo dpkg-reconfigue xserver-xorg  ?
[10:45] <runelind> yeah, that shouldn't be a problem
[10:45] <runelind> _simple: have you gotten WPA to work?
[10:45] <danko123456> laosiano: I dont think you could, try using windows, or mac os...
[10:45] <danko123456> :-p
[10:45] <_simple> okie dokie
[10:45] <ubuntu> any thoughts on were to get a canon i960 driver?
[10:45] <_simple> i don't use it :/
[10:46] <danko123456> ubuntu, is that a printer?
[10:46] <runelind> heh, ok, well I'll keep poking at it
[10:46] <runelind> thanks for your help :)
[10:46] <ubuntu> yes
[10:46] <thingfish> What am I spacing out here?  I updated to kernel 2.6.11-1 using synaptic, it boots fine but accelerated nvidia drivers no longer start.
[10:46] <stanley> IIIEars: from terminal?
[10:46] <_simple> no problem
[10:46] <danko123456> just a sec then.
[10:46] <_simple> i only had to do it like 20 times so i kind of memorized it
[10:47] <IIIEars> yes - it may work in a user terminal but i have only used it once in root
[10:47] <IIIEars> let's see if i can turn up the wiki link for you.
[10:47] <Funraiser> _simple, still have that dot on your screen?
[10:47] <runelind> well I'll lurk in here, i'm sure I have some other questions :)
[10:48] <_simple> yeah
[10:48] <Funraiser> when did u buy the screen?
[10:48] <_simple> i didn't try anything to remove it, other than turning off the monitor and hitting the "auto" adjust button lol
[10:48] <_simple> february
[10:48] <Funraiser> when did the dot appear?
[10:48] <_simple> sometime today i guess
[10:48] <thingfish> do I need to boot to the new kernel and then re-run 'nvidia-glx-config enable'?
[10:48] <danko123456> _simple, it is likely a lcd thing...I mean, I can not see it being anything else.
[10:48] <Funraiser> what's the brand of the screen?
[10:48] <IIIEars> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22977.html erm - best i could do.
[10:49] <Maidenb> hola amigos
[10:49] <Maidenb> Acabo de instalar mi RTL8180
[10:49] <_simple> it's just on this desktop
[10:49] <_simple> when i goto new login
[10:49] <Maidenb> WIFI
[10:49] <_simple> it's gone
[10:49] <danko123456> ubuntu, I gotcha: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25335&highlight=i960 .
[10:49] <danko123456> :)
[10:49] <_simple> and when i right click on it, nothing happens
[10:49] <danko123456> Just search the wiki, and forums, when looking for something, helps often.
[10:50] <Funraiser> _simple, that's weird
[10:50] <_simple> but right next to it brings up the normal righ click menu
[10:50] <_simple> yeahl ol
[10:50] <IIIEars> Maidenb - #ubuntu-es - Acabo = finished? the install
[10:50] <theD3viL> Why i cant play 2 sounds at same time? :S I have nvidia sound card? =/
[10:51] <MasterYoda> my synaptics touch pad does a middle click when i tap it
[10:51] <MasterYoda> how do I fix this?
[10:51] <IIIEars> nice link danko :)
[10:51] <Ali_Baba> theD3viL: you should use ALSA sound that worked for me :)
[10:52] <danko123456> MasterYoda: what happened to the no?? anyhow, there is a synaptics touchpad howto in the wiki.
[10:52] <_simple> when i changed the screen resolution from 1200x1024 to 1024x768 it went away
[10:52] <Ali_Baba> theD3viL: theres help on Ubuntu forums
[10:52] <_simple> then back to 1200x1024 it's there again
[10:52] <Funraiser> _simple, must be some kind of pixel defect
[10:53] <_simple> i always use this res and it's never there, i'm sure after a new login or something it will go away?
[10:53] <danko123456> theD3viL: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567 tells you all about sound:)
[10:53] <IIIEars> Funraiser - sandpapaer the errant pixel unti it's smooth?
[10:53] <theD3viL> Ali_Baba, i looked Ubuntu forums for 3 days... i try EVERYTHING!!
[10:53] <MasterYoda> danko123456: yeah google found it
[10:53] <danko123456> IIIEars: you like?
[10:53] <Funraiser> _simple, try it out
[10:53] <Funraiser> IIIEars, maybe
[10:53] <Funraiser> lol
[10:53] <danko123456> yeah, tehre is one, about that particular touchpad, I saw it there.
[10:53] <_simple> alright
[10:54] <danko123456> _simple: dont sandpaper your screen??
[10:54] <danko123456> and he left? what was that about, joking??
[10:54] <apsuva> how to install kde ?
[10:54] <IIIEars> _simple - i wish i kenw the answer. - don't worry someone here does. :)
[10:54] <danko123456> he kleft
[10:54] <Funraiser> theD3viL, for sound problems u can try http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[10:55] <danko123456> apsuva: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:55] <spektr> Are there changelogs for the updates that come from hoary-security or hoary-updates?
[10:55] <_simple> logging out then back in worked
[10:55] <theD3viL> tnx everyone ;)
[10:55] <mattgirv> ATI Drivers, I installed them and followed several guides on the ubuntuforums.org, but when I query fglrxinfo, it says OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect. How can I get it to use FGLRX?
[10:55] <apsuva> thank you dankol123456
[10:55] <IIIEars> _simple - cool!
[10:55] <danko123456> _simple: worked for what? the bad pixels gone???
[10:55] <_simple> man i so wanted to change my splash screen, but it shows for like 2.5 seconds lol
[10:55] <Ali_Baba> theD3viL:your welcome
[10:55] <Funraiser> danko123456, installing kubuntu made my ubuntu act funny
[10:55] <danko123456> apsuva, welcome, try that, should workl.
[10:56] <_simple> yeah the weird little square isn't there
[10:56] <_simple> way cool :D
[10:56] <danko123456> _simple: wow...
[10:56] <_simple> yeah i know
[10:56] <_simple> it's pretty odd
[10:56] <apsuva> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[10:56] <_simple> wow'd myself
[10:56] <danko123456> that was simple:-p
[10:56] <ivoks> hi all
[10:56] <_simple> lol
[10:56] <Funraiser> apsuva, add the extra repos first
[10:56] <_simple> made for me?
[10:56] <_simple> i think so.
[10:56] <omega_> suppose someone did run Breezy, and suppose that someone now has some problem with the X default font, fixed. Anyone could suggest some solution to this supposed person?
[10:56] <danko123456> apsuva, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources./list
[10:56] <SmoOdi> Yooo!
[10:57] <IIIEars> _simple - is there a limit to the colors you can use? 16 bit? 24 bit?
[10:57] <danko123456> apsuva: uncomment the universe, and other commented repositories.
[10:57] <SmoOdi> i am testing the latest ubuntu live cd! and i can just say damn what a good os!
[10:57] <_simple> using 16million i think
[10:57] <Funraiser> danko123456, (i had the same package prob yesterday when i installed kubuntu)
[10:57] <SmoOdi> But i have a probelm i can log on to msn
[10:57] <danko123456> apsuva, then try the same two again. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:58] <apsuva> i m using amd64
[10:58] <danko123456> apsuva, try anohow, should work.
[10:58] <danko123456> if you want to...
[10:59] <danko123456> You can uncomment the repos(remove the # from the beginning of the line) then save, and paste it to http://pastebin.com , and we will tell you if it looks right. Then you can run the update and install.
[10:59] <apsuva> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[10:59] <danko123456> above, file refers to /etc/apt/sources.list, which you can paste to pastebin, if you want us to dbl check it.
[11:00] <SmoOdi> Why can't i log on to msn?! It says connection error from notification server
[11:00] <IIIEars> kubuntu-desktop is in synaptic. - hm....
[11:00] <Funraiser> SmoOdi, using gaim or amsn?
[11:00] <SmoOdi> uuhmm
[11:00] <SmoOdi> gaim
[11:00] <danko123456> that guy left and, I found his printer installation instructions.
[11:00] <SmoOdi> im using it from a live cd
[11:00] <Funraiser> sometimes msn is down
[11:00] <SmoOdi> oh ok
[11:00] <danko123456> apsuva, did you get what I was saying?
[11:01] <IIIEars> danko123456, - lol
[11:01] <yaaar> I've got an issue with nautilus. It's running *crazy* slow on my usb hard drive. The drive is only connected via usb1.1, but konqueror runs fine on it on the same machine (running hoary). For reference, it usually takes konq about a second or two to open a folder, but the time nautilus takes is measured in minutes....for the same folder. Any ideas what might cause this?
[11:01] <apsuva> could not save file /etc/apt/sources./list
[11:01] <danko123456> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list, only sudo can write to it. You can only read it.
[11:01] <yaaar> apsuva: are you root, or using sudo?
[11:02] <misfit_toy> yaaar, gnome-vfs has a tendency to 100% cpu sometimes, look at it with 'top'
[11:02] <apsuva> yes i m root
[11:02] <apsuva> root@apsuva:/home/apsuva #
[11:02] <yaaar> misfit_toy: k....what can i do to make it not whack the proc like that?
[11:02] <danko123456> apsuva, then you screwed something up, it has to work like that.
[11:02] <misfit_toy> yaaar, nothing
[11:02] <misfit_toy> it happens, until they fix it
[11:02] <danko123456>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:03] <misfit_toy> yaaar, just do 'top' and if you see gnome-vfs there at the top, then kill -9 it
[11:03] <yaaar> hrm
[11:03] <SmoOdi> Does msn work for someone else?
[11:03] <danko123456> interesting that someone knew that:)
[11:03] <Funraiser> SmoOdi, it works for me here
[11:03] <danko123456> SmoOdi: right now for me, yes.
[11:03] <SmoOdi> hmm funny it dosen't work for me
[11:04] <danko123456> yeah, haha
[11:04] <Funraiser> SmoOdi, is it the first time u are trying to make it work on linux?
[11:04] <SmoOdi> yeah
[11:04] <Funraiser> make sure your nick and passwords are ok
[11:04] <danko123456> hahaha
[11:04] <danko123456> :)
[11:04] <SmoOdi> :D:D
[11:05] <danko123456> did you get that, tho? cayuse you said funny it wont work for you...then I said, haha...?
[11:05] <SmoOdi> Shall i out my mail in the screen name section?
[11:05] <SmoOdi> put
[11:05] <danko123456> yes, the emaila ddress.
[11:05] <Funraiser> account on msn, and password
[11:06] <linuxamoeba21> hey i get this error in dmesg and optical drives won't load: ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0xFE27     ata2: disabling port
[11:08] <thingfish> so I guess one needs linux-restricted-modules to match the running kernel in order for nvidia-glx and the accelerated nvidia drivers to work.
[11:08] <tritium> thingfish, absolutly
[11:08] <tritium> absolutely
[11:09] <thingfish> ok then, thanks tritium.
[11:09] <Funraiser> thingfish, i wish i could understand what u just said
[11:09] <HappyFool> isn't there a package (or packages?) which makes them more-or-less sync?
[11:09] <HappyFool> linux-386, e.g. ?
[11:09] <tritium> HappyFool, yep
[11:09] <SmoOdi> It doesent get by the getting cookie thing
[11:09] <linuxamoeba21> ...?
[11:10] <tritium> thingfish, which processor do you have?
[11:10] <SmoOdi> reading error it says
[11:10] <SmoOdi> os something
[11:10] <SmoOdi> or
[11:10] <thingfish> tritium: p4 3.0 prescott
[11:10] <danko123456> it may be a new thing...maybe a new setup it harder now...let me see...
[11:10] <tritium> thingfish, try installing linux-686
[11:10] <thingfish> tritium: will do, thanks.
[11:11] <thr1ce> i didn't notice a huge speed increase from 386 to 686
[11:11] <thr1ce> or any at all
[11:11] <linuxamoeba21> tritium: i get this error in dmesg and optical drives won't load: ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0xFE27    ata2: disabling port
[11:11] <danko123456> SmoOdi: works here, check your pwd on hotmail.com, or wherever your email is.
[11:11] <HappyFool> SmoOdi: have you tested your login? You can do so by browsing msn.com with firefox, and logging in
[11:11] <Mrnotproper> Hi , I have an idea and I want to know your opinion , I live in Quebec ( Canada ) and I want to distribut Ubuntu in Quebec and I will distribute the cds with Post Canada...but the post cost money... ;) And I want that the person who want ubuntu will pay 5$( canadien money) and the profit will be redistribute at opensource project.  To have my cds, I will command the official cds at ubuntu.com..So, the person will have the cds
[11:11] <Mrnotproper>  in 3 days and he don't obliged to wait 4 at 6 weeks. Do you agree with that? ( sorry for my english)...
[11:11] <SmoOdi> ok
[11:11] <SmoOdi> i will try
[11:11] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[11:12] <Mrnotproper> It is for person who want to have Ubuntu quickly
[11:12] <SmoOdi> How do i change the screen resolution
[11:12] <tritium> linuxamoeba21, I don't know what might cause that
[11:12] <danko123456> Mrnotproper: :) try whatever you want...if they will pay, sure...
[11:12] <linuxamoeba21> tritium: it used to load but now doesnt... i am thinking its an SATA issue or something
[11:12] <apsuva> danko123456 thank you
[11:12] <HappyFool> Mrnotproper: well, here in south africa people do charge for exactly that service. go for it.
[11:12] <danko123456> tritium: it is related to his reboot, does not boot...
[11:12] <danko123456> apsuva, worked out??
[11:12] <tritium> linuxamoeba21, did you change hardware?
[11:13] <apsuva> yes i do
[11:13] <danko123456> apsuva: very good:)
[11:13] <Mrnotproper> ok thanks !
[11:13] <apsuva> danko123456 apsuva, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources./list
[11:13] <tritium> danko123456, okay, thanks
[11:13] <linuxamoeba21> no. only weird thing is that the last time it loaded with the optical drives (the things that now fail), the bios threw me a NIC error. the nic now works, and i tried booting with it disabled
[11:13] <apsuva> dont work
[11:13] <Funraiser> Mrnotproper, where do u live in quebec?
[11:13] <apsuva> but
[11:13] <apsuva> danko123456 apsuva, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:13] <danko123456> tritium: welcome:) not like something to thank me:)
[11:14] <apsuva> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources./list
[11:14] <sbcl3> could some kind person go into synaptic and tell me what repositories are there by default? (when i installed, i had no internet connection). Feel free to send it in a private message
[11:14] <Mrnotproper> Funraiser, at Victoriaville ...
[11:14] <SmoOdi> Hmm www.hotmail.com dosent work for me
[11:14] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: ever get that download?
[11:14] <thr1ce> hotmail works fine here
[11:14] <danko123456> apsuva, ahh...I see where I typoed it...
[11:14] <SmoOdi> crap
[11:15] <Funraiser> Mrnotproper, k, v'been in chicoutimi for some time, good luck with your project
[11:15] <danko123456> SmoOdi: bad pwd, then, try the caps lck key:-p
[11:15] <HappyFool> SmoOdi: i think a plain passport won't work at hotmail
[11:15] <HappyFool> SmoOdi: try msn.com
[11:15] <apsuva> no problem danko123456
[11:15] <apsuva> thank you
[11:15] <danko123456> welcome.
[11:15] <sbcl3> could some kind person go into synaptic and tell me what repositories are there by default? (when i installed, i had no internet connection). Feel free to send it in a private message
[11:15] <Mrnotproper> Funraiser, ok thank you !
[11:15] <danko123456> apsuva: so you have kubuntu now?
[11:16] <hybrid_goth> sbcl3: http://ubuntu.com/wiki/GuideToHoary
[11:16] <danko123456> sbcl3: what is your question?
[11:16] <apsuva> hmm
[11:16] <apsuva> i am downloading
[11:16] <sbcl3> i'm wondering what repositories ubuntu puts in synaptic by default
[11:16] <linuxamoeba21> tritium: no. only weird thing is that the last time it loaded with the optical drives (the things that now fail), the bios threw me a NIC error. the nic now works, and i tried booting with it disabled
[11:16] <thingfish> he wants to see someone's sources.list
[11:16] <sbcl3> i don't have the ones that require internet
[11:16] <sbcl3> (i didn't)
[11:16] <danko123456> hybrid_goth: nice link, there it is, sbcl3
[11:16] <HappyFool> sbcl3: ubuntuguide.org has an example of a "pristine" /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:16] <apsuva> 0 upgraded, 162 newly installed, 0 to remove and 24 not upgraded.
[11:16] <apsuva> Need to get 118MB of archives.
[11:16] <apsuva> After unpacking 367MB of additional disk space will be used.
[11:16] <apsuva> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ?
[11:17] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: ty i am getting the hang of this :P
[11:17] <danko123456> heh, yup, thats kubuntu desktop.
[11:17] <_simple> who here uses konversation, and wants to help me with adding a custom /pass command with a specific server that uses that?
[11:17] <HappyFool> sbcl3: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[11:17] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: moving out of n00b stage :p
[11:17] <thr1ce> 162 packs for kde!?
[11:17] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:17] <danko123456> _simple: there is a #kubuntu channel, too.
[11:17] <thr1ce> kde should only be 18 or so
[11:17] <nasti> anyone with suggestions???  just installed a fresh install of Ubuntu Hoary   my sound doesn't work and I have a SoundBlaster Live! soundcard
[11:17] <_simple> i did add it in the server editor under the server and it works, but it messages "pass" identify "my pass"
[11:17] <danko123456> thr1ce: KUBUNTU-desktop, sorry caps./
[11:17] <hybrid_goth> thr1ce: libs?
[11:17] <_simple> there is a #konversation also :p
[11:17] <_simple> i'm using ubuntu, i just like konversation
[11:17] <_simple> neat client
[11:17] <thr1ce> i thought kde packed em all in those 18 packs
[11:17] <nasti> I have tried the ubuntuguide, sound section; it doesn't work for me
[11:17] <danko123456> nasti, please paste the output of amixer to http://pastebin.com
[11:17] <_simple> and konversation is nothing but idlers :/
[11:17] <thr1ce> never used kubuntu...only compiled kde once on slack
[11:18] <hybrid_goth> thr1ce: idk juss a guess
[11:18] <danko123456> _simple: so noone alive in those channels, hey...
[11:18] <giard> haha
[11:18] <giard> okay, *now* they tell me
[11:18] <giard> breezy was fine until a day ago
[11:18] <hybrid_goth> lol
[11:18] <nasti> danko123456 need a little more help with doing that
[11:18] <confrey> I have a hoary on my laptop; I can't use my internal modem;I have installed sl-modem-source, and compiled it, and sl-modem-daemon, from warty; but I can't recognize the modem; please help me
[11:18] <thr1ce> doesn't work anymore?  still with fonts?
[11:18] <difeta> is there any docs out there that talk about optimizing the ubunutu boot process?
[11:18] <hybrid_goth> giard: heh whats wrong
[11:18] <nasti> step-by-step if possible
[11:18] <thr1ce> breezy still having font problems?
[11:19] <_simple> yeah danko123456
[11:19] <giard> hybrid_goth: well, x windows stopped working, and now when you reboot you can't log in because ttys go nuts
[11:19] <hybrid_goth> thr1ce: not here but i dont use the gui much
[11:19] <hybrid_goth> giard: ouch
[11:19] <_simple> i will just manually do it each time no big deal :)
[11:19] <HappyFool> confrey: have you been to linmodems.org ?
[11:19] <danko123456> ok, open a terminal, and type in amixer, then highlight the output, and do a copy with the right button of our mouse. Then, click on this: http://pastebin.com, and paste the output there. Then send it, and tell me the URL you get.
[11:19] <hybrid_goth> giard: did you try to kill them then restart them?
[11:19] <HappyFool> confrey: they supply a little program which will identify your winmodem for you
[11:19] <giard> is there a way to downgrade back to hoary?
[11:20] <confrey> no
[11:20] <hybrid_goth> misfit_toy: have fun.
[11:20] <hybrid_goth> giard: hahahaa
[11:20] <giard> hybrid_goth: nope, you can't get to a prompt unless you do safe mode
[11:20] <confrey> I have it,
[11:20] <misfit_toy> hybrid_goth, and?
[11:20] <hybrid_goth> giard: reinstall or remove packages
[11:20] <_simple> have you all seen the breezy badger cd and case?
[11:20] <SmoOdi> aah i tink i know what's the problem!
[11:20] <hybrid_goth> misfit_toy: its linux you have to got have fun :D
[11:20] <thr1ce> _simple, no!
[11:20] <SmoOdi> byr!
[11:20] <SmoOdi> bye
[11:20] <misfit_toy> hybrid_goth, always
[11:20] <thr1ce> _simple, got a screenshot or something?
[11:20] <HappyFool> confrey: you have run scanModem ?
[11:20] <hybrid_goth> misfit_toy: :D
[11:20] <confrey> yes, I rub it now
[11:21] <enrique> hi
[11:21] <omega_> giard: I have the exact same problem as you
[11:21] <_simple> oh
[11:21] <_simple> i think it's fake though
[11:21] <enrique> how can i add links on the 'applications' menu???
[11:21] <_simple> somebody just made it my bad
[11:21] <omega_> giard: I can boot in recovery mode, and get a shell
[11:21] <nasti> danko123456: http://pastebin.com/287137
[11:21] <_simple> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=23376 <-
[11:21] <danko123456> _simple: not seen
[11:21] <mello> hey guys, i need an opinion. what's the best current fix for quicktime/windows media?
[11:21] <omega_> so I can get new packeges and such, but no solution so far :(
[11:21] <nickrud> misfit_toy, after the install, take a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:21] <misfit_toy> nickrud, thx
[11:21] <hybrid_goth> mello: mplayer?
[11:21] <thr1ce> looks good though :)
[11:21] <mello> do you use mplayer for everything?
[11:21] <_simple> ah, it's not bad, i wonder if they submitted the idea to the developers of it
[11:22] <_simple> yeah it does
[11:22] <hybrid_goth> mello: yup
[11:22] <giard> omega_: I wonder if there's a "status of breezy" page where they can put in big bold letters "don't update yet"
[11:22] <count0nz> misfit_toy, :) reminds me of Misfits of Science :)
[11:22] <danko123456> mello: for what??? there is even a plugin for mozilla.
[11:22] <misfit_toy> nickrud, I really hate to leave FC3 but I think Ubuntu is just doing sucha good job.
[11:22] <enrique> how can i add links on the 'applications' menu???
[11:22] <guerby> hi, is there a way to get a working 32 bit assembler on amd64 (ubuntu 5.04)?
[11:22] <mello> i need a fix for everything, i borked my multimedia
[11:22] <thr1ce> what does hoary CD and case look like?  mine is still on order
[11:22] <misfit_toy> count0nz, heheh
[11:22] <hybrid_goth> mello: ogg  avi mp1234 and many i have never seen
[11:22] <_simple> mine is too
[11:22] <_simple> somebody hosted the image i saw it
[11:22] <danko123456> mello: my opinion to your question: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats .
[11:22] <danko123456> :)
[11:22] <omega_> giard: dunno, found nothing in bugzilla, nor anywhere else that I could think of looking
[11:22] <Funraiser> enrique, sudo gedit /usr/share/applications/thenameofyourapp.desktop    then...
[11:22] <nasti> danko123456: http://pastebin.com/287137
[11:22] <thr1ce> _simple, any idea where?
[11:22] <nickrud> misfit_toy, I've never run fedora, but i do like ubuntu
[11:22] <danko123456> nasti, thanks, got it, I was about to write to wait a little.:)
[11:22] <confrey> HappyFool, ok, now sacnModem has finished
[11:22] <hybrid_goth> Ubuntu pwns
[11:23] <_simple> http://synchronizedesigns.us/ubuntu/IMG_1570.JPG
[11:23] <_simple> yup in my history :D
[11:23] <nasti> ok thanks
[11:23] <misfit_toy> nickrud, FC is really nice but a tad too bleeding edge
[11:23] <HappyFool> confrey: did it tell you what sort of modem you have?
[11:23] <_simple> http://synchronizedesigns.us/ubuntu/IMG_1572.JPG
[11:23] <misfit_toy> am I correct in assuming that running ubuntu will be using apt-get?
[11:23] <_simple> http://synchronizedesigns.us/ubuntu/ that dir..
[11:23] <nickrud> misfit_toy, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto also if you have radeon or nvidia
[11:23] <count0nz> U can be bleeding edge :)
[11:23] <confrey> HappyFool, but its output is very hard to recognize
[11:23] <thr1ce> cool, thanks :_
[11:23] <thr1ce> )
[11:23] <HappyFool> confrey: i find the output of scanModem to be confusing...
[11:23] <_simple> :D
[11:23] <misfit_toy> nickrud, nvidia
[11:23] <confrey> HappyFool, yes,
[11:23] <HappyFool> confrey: yes ;)
[11:23] <_simple> it's way nice looking
[11:23] <_simple> professional
[11:24] <_simple> man look at that guys hdd rack lol
[11:24] <confrey> HappyFool,  The soft modem Subsystem operates under a controller
[11:24] <confrey>    1039:7013  SIS 630
[11:24] <nickrud> misfit_toy, those two pages will get most everything working
[11:24] <confrey> and
[11:24] <danko123456> nasti, what about your sound, tho, is there any sound on the computer at all? does it play that sound when you log in?
[11:24] <HappyFool> confrey: you can paste it here: http://rafb.net/paste/ and i'll take a look at it
[11:24] <misfit_toy> nickrud, thx
[11:24] <enrique> Funraiser: Why dont they let you now do it with right click???
[11:24] <Funraiser> enrique, [Desktop Entry] 
[11:24] <Funraiser> Name=yourapp
[11:24] <Funraiser> Comment=whatever
[11:24] <Funraiser> Exec=whereyourbinis
[11:24] <Funraiser> Icon=where an iconis
[11:24] <Funraiser> Terminal=false
[11:24] <Funraiser> Type=Application
[11:24] <Funraiser> Categories=Application;whereuwanttheapptobe;
[11:24] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: dont flood
[11:24] <hybrid_goth> plz
[11:24] <nickrud> misfit_toy, oh, and there's no root password.
[11:24] <Funraiser> 8 lines
[11:25] <hybrid_goth> 3 lines is not floodin
[11:25] <hybrid_goth> 4 is
[11:25] <hybrid_goth> like this
[11:25] <Funraiser> enrique, believe me, u do it once, and then it's easy
[11:25] <DaBlade> how do I mount an ISO file?
[11:25] <confrey> HappyFool, ok, wait a minute, I have a slow connection
[11:25] <Putu_Pluto> alguien sabe castellano?
[11:25] <HappyFool> mount -o loop file.iso /path/to/mount/point
[11:26] <Funraiser> enrique, look how it was done here for limewire http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[11:26] <hybrid_goth> anyone have twibright links installed?
[11:26] <danko123456> nasti: bump^
[11:26] <misfit_toy> bbl
[11:26] <DaBlade> Funraiser: thanks a lot :D
[11:26] <Funraiser> enrique, look how it was done from step 6 , second line
[11:26] <thr1ce> man, hoary is pretty damn stable...i'm liking it :)
[11:26] <omega_> giard: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35094
[11:26] <thr1ce> finally converted from slackware
[11:26] <Funraiser> DaBlade, for?
[11:27] <nasti> no sound
[11:27] <nasti> at all danko123456
[11:27] <DaBlade> oops
[11:27] <DaBlade>  sorry
[11:27] <danko123456> thr1ce: I dont find that much, really.
[11:27] <DaBlade> I meant HappyFool. The chat scrolled up as I was reading his message
[11:27] <DaBlade> so I read your name and the message...lol
[11:27] <confrey> HappyFool, ok, look here : http://rafb.net/paste/results/4Szhdw54.html
[11:27] <danko123456> mine always does some weird things, like now, it changed the theme when I rebooted.
[11:27] <danko123456> the window borders are diff.
[11:28] <thr1ce> danko123456, in hoary?
[11:28] <danko123456> Oh, yeah...it is very weird, not pro.
[11:28] <qat> Hey guys.  I just wanted to let you guys know that my NetTech teacher does a course on linux every year, and he has switched to ubuntu.
[11:28] <DaBlade> HappyFool: thanks. :)
[11:28] <count0nz> qat, kewl :)
[11:28] <enrique> just one more thing
[11:28] <Funraiser> enrique, u got it?
[11:28] <HappyFool> DaBlade: np ;)
[11:28] <danko123456> Like, I mean, if this comptuer was for something serious...I would worry often.
[11:29] <enrique> i jut can't open mp3 with Rhythmbox
[11:29] <HappyFool> confrey: hrm. well, it looks like sl-modem was the right choice
[11:29] <qat> count0nz: it's great.  i just wanted to let the dev's/community know that people DO use it. :)
[11:29] <apsuva> bye all
[11:29] <enrique> Funraiser, yes, check my new question :$
[11:29] <thr1ce> danko123456, strange...i havne't had an issue yet
[11:29] <Funraiser> enrique, u can use xmms
[11:29] <enrique> but i can with Totem for exapmle
[11:29] <nickrud> enrique, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:29] <count0nz> qat, Shhhhhh don't tell anyone... :) make sure he gets the ship-ip cd's :) lol
[11:29] <confrey> HappyFool, I have installed it, but I don't  debughave the knowledge to
[11:30] <Vjaz> enrique: have you installed gstreamer0.8-mad?
[11:30] <qat> count0nz: hehe, i did.  i ordered them for him.  13 cd's.  i was hoping somebody would call me and ask why i wanted so many =P
[11:30] <enrique> no
[11:30] <danko123456> thr1ce: youre proabbly not fooling around with it as much, I always change some setting...but its not a very well fine tuned, not ubuntu itself, but some of the gnu components.
[11:30] <HappyFool> confrey: what error do you get, if any?
[11:30] <count0nz> qat, :) kewl ;)
[11:30] <Ali_Baba> ubuntu is the ultimate Linux :)
[11:30] <Vjaz> enrique: You need to install it for mp3-support.
[11:30] <danko123456> ubuntu is just a name:-p
[11:30] <enrique> ooooook
[11:30] <seth> What is a good program with syntax highlighting for C?
[11:30] <enrique> thank you soooooooooooooooooooo much ;)
[11:30] <nickrud> enrique, step through http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:30] <HappyFool> emacs!
[11:30] <Vjaz> enrique: Are you using the Xine version of Totem?
[11:30] <Funraiser> enrique, or http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[11:31] <confrey> HappyFool, no errors, simply I can't compose the phone number, it seems; whlie using kppp, I can't recognize the modem
[11:31] <HappyFool> confrey: so the sl-modem modules are loaded without error?
[11:31] <zazeem> help plz
[11:31] <clsk> What plugin do I need to get totem to play mp3 and mpg files?
[11:31] <apsuva> danko123456
[11:31] <Funraiser> lol
[11:31] <thr1ce> gstreamer-sad
[11:31] <danko123456> nasti: did you ever go into alsamixer?
[11:31] <thr1ce> 0.8 I think
[11:31] <nasti> no
[11:32] <nasti> how?
[11:32] <IIIEars> gstreamer-mad?
[11:32] <danko123456> whats up apsuva?
[11:32] <apsuva> danko123456,  kde or gnome?
[11:32] <misfit_toy> clsk, go to http://fedorasolved.com and click on the SF link at the bottom of the page
[11:32] <thr1ce> gstreamer-0.8-mad
[11:32] <thr1ce> I think
[11:32] <thr1ce> for mp3 support
[11:32] <thr1ce>  /mpeg support
[11:32] <apsuva> recommend?
[11:32] <danko123456> just alsamixer in a terminal, but it looks fine from that post, you can play around with it...
[11:32] <thr1ce> apsuva, it's your preference
[11:32] <thr1ce> apsuva, noone can tell you which will suite your needs the best
[11:32] <danko123456> apsuva: I use gnome, try both, I dont like kde much...and its a new thing for me, I would have to get used to something new again...
[11:32] <thr1ce> ah, the glory of open source :)
[11:32] <zazeem> need help running a game as super user no idea what to type to start it up, i tried su /home/zazeem/enemy-territory/et.xpm didnt work
[11:33] <danko123456> xpm is an icon file, that wont work.
[11:33] <thr1ce> zazeem, you shouldn't have to be super user for ET
[11:33] <confrey> HappyFool, I think so; I have compiled it, and installed by dpkg -i ; then I can do modprobe slamr, without messages
[11:33] <thr1ce> just run et from terminal
[11:33] <apsuva> ok danko123456
[11:33] <danko123456> nasti: open a terminal, ant type in alsamixer, hit enet.
[11:33] <danko123456> enter.
[11:33] <apsuva> thanks thr1ce
[11:33] <nasti> ok
[11:33] <zazeem> woops
[11:33] <zazeem> lol
[11:34] <thr1ce> lol
[11:34] <thr1ce> I have to kill esd before starting et
[11:34] <nasti> it had a bunch of levels
[11:34] <zazeem> esd?
[11:34] <Jormundgand> How do I switch GDM theme in the console?
[11:34] <nasti> i put them all up
[11:34] <thr1ce> the sound daemon
[11:34] <zazeem> how do i do that
[11:34] <danko123456> nasti: then, use up down to move the levels, and m to mute unmute, unmute all, I guess. And turn them all up to just before red.
[11:34] <HappyFool> confrey: and you've started the sl-modem-daemon ?
[11:34] <thr1ce> run killall esd && et
[11:34] <thr1ce> that will start your et
[11:34] <zazeem> but i have no sound in it lol
[11:34] <thr1ce> or just run et if you don't have strange sound issues like me :)
[11:34] <danko123456> nasti: and after you do all that, hit escape to exit.
[11:34] <thr1ce> then run killall esd first
[11:35] <zazeem> killall esd && et
[11:35] <zazeem> ?
[11:35] <zazeem> like that?
[11:35] <thr1ce> yup
[11:35] <danko123456> nasti: then also run sudo killall esd
[11:35] <zazeem> :D
[11:35] <HappyFool> confrey: i think it might be automatically started by the sl-modem-daemon package
[11:35] <confrey> HappyFool, yes, nad I have choosed ttySL0 as serial port
[11:35] <nasti> ok
[11:35] <thr1ce> or sudo killall esd if it complains that you don't have permission
[11:35] <nasti> that is all
[11:35] <zazeem> k
[11:35] <nickrud> thr1ce, on that restricted formats wiki page, step 3 tells you how to make esd play nicely with games
[11:35] <zazeem> whats the link
[11:35] <zazeem> ?
[11:35] <thr1ce> nickrud, hm...neat; I havne't looked into it
[11:35] <zazeem> nickrud
[11:35] <Funraiser> Jormundgand, system/administration/loginscreen setup
[11:36] <thr1ce> thanks man
[11:36] <nickrud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:36] <zazeem> :D
[11:36] <Jormundgand> Funraiser: _Console_.
[11:36] <HappyFool> confrey: i don't suppose wvdialconf is of any help? it's supposed to auto-detect your modem, thought it didn't help with mine
[11:36] <confrey> HappyFool, I'm thinking I never reboot my laptop.... may I do it?
[11:36] <HappyFool> confrey: that should not be necessary
[11:36] <Funraiser> Jormundgand, my bad
[11:36] <nickrud> thr1ce, I keep hammering that page because it fixes a lot of stuff :)
[11:36] <HappyFool> confrey: i guess you can try it, but i do not think it will help
[11:36] <Jormundgand> Funraiser: I need to know which config file to edit and what to change, since I'm now stuck with a useless GDM screen where I can't fill in the username.
[11:37] <claire_> um... is it all right if I ask a teeny tiny q? O_o; I'm just a newbie... how do you unzip files on the regular terminal?
[11:37] <danko123456> nasti: then, in a terminal, type in sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove # from the beginning of some of the lines, the ones that are a URL, remove the # from the URL lines. Then save, and in a terminal again, type in "sudo apt-get install && sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-* && sudo apt-get install xmms" and hit enter.
[11:37] <thr1ce> nickrud, hehe
[11:37] <claire_> ^^;
[11:37] <HappyFool> claire_: unzip <filename> ?
[11:37] <confrey> HappyFool, kppp also can auto-detect the modem, and infact it doesn't work
[11:37] <HappyFool> confrey: hrm :-(
[11:37] <claire_> I'll try that ^^ thankies
[11:37] <zazeem> thr1ce, i got this zazeem@ubuntu:~$ killall esd && et
[11:37] <zazeem> bash: et: command not found
[11:37] <zazeem> :|
[11:37] <Funraiser> Jormundgand, is the one called /etc/init.d/gdm (?)
[11:37] <thr1ce> zazeem, did you install et...?
[11:38] <zazeem> ya
[11:38] <HappyFool> confrey: what happens if you just *tell* it that it's /dev/ttySL0 ? I guess that doesn't work either?
[11:38] <nickrud> Jormundgand, /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[11:38] <thr1ce> where did you install it to, the default?
[11:38] <zazeem> uhh
[11:38] <zazeem> home
[11:38] <zazeem> i think
[11:38] <thr1ce> oooh, ok
[11:38] <zazeem> or zazeem home lol
[11:38] <thr1ce> then run "killall esd && /home/you/path/to/et
[11:38] <zazeem> ok
[11:38] <zazeem> thnx
[11:39] <claire_> "bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[11:39] <claire_> ", tis what my result was. anything else I can try?
[11:39] <thr1ce> maybe /home/zazeem/bin/et
[11:39] <claire_> for unzipping files, I mean
[11:39] <HappyFool> claire_: what's the file's name?
[11:39] <Funraiser> my lord there is a girl
[11:39] <claire_> sit.zip ^^;
[11:39] <nasti> ok what after that danko123456
[11:39] <nasti> ?
[11:39] <HappyFool> claire_: and 'unzip sit.zip' gives you that error?
[11:39] <danko123456> you know, it is good for the govt for ppl to play military games, and to have stars like pop rappers, and destiny child singing songs about soldiers....:-p
[11:39] <zazeem> thr1ce
[11:39] <zazeem> esd: no process killed
[11:39] <HappyFool> claire_: the question mark earlier was not part of the command ;)
[11:40] <danko123456> The term soldier is being fed to you thriough media as something positive...
[11:40] <claire_> ^^; I had the "< >"
[11:40] <thr1ce> zazeem, ok, then you should be fine, since it's not running anyways
[11:40] <HappyFool> oh
[11:40] <confrey> HappyFool, I did it, first in pppconfig, because it didn't recognized the modem; in kppp tooo
[11:40] <claire_> that could have been the problem
[11:40] <danko123456> whereas it is totally moronic to think it is cool to be a soldier.
[11:40] <tritium> danko123456, please, that's rather offtopic
[11:40] <HappyFool> claire_: could of. sorry ;)
[11:40] <zazeem> ok
[11:41] <HappyFool> confrey: sorry, i am out of ideas
[11:41] <Jormundgand> nickrud: Odd, this seems to say that I'm using Human.
[11:41] <danko123456> well, enemy territory is off topic...
[11:41] <HappyFool> confrey: you can try the mailing list at linmodems.org, they are the winmodem gurus
[11:41] <danko123456> anyhow, I just wanted to point it out to the kids...
[11:41] <danko123456> biting into the scheme, without any critical tho9guht
[11:41] <tritium> danko123456, this isn't the appropriate forum
[11:41] <seth> I am a soldier.
[11:41] <nickrud> Jormundgand, so is mine
[11:41] <confrey> HappyFool, ok, thanks !
[11:41] <Jormundgand> Wait, nevermind.
[11:41] <Jormundgand> FOund it.
[11:41] <Jormundgand> Thanks.
[11:41] <HappyFool> confrey: maybe you can look in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog for errors, but i'm not sure that there will be any
[11:42] <claire_> HappyFool: it said that there was no such file, which makes me wonder...
[11:42] <seth> danko123456, do you mean a soldier in a game, or a soldier in the Military?
[11:42] <HappyFool> claire_: try 'ls sit.zip'
[11:42] <claire_> ok
[11:42] <zazeem> didnt work still no sound in et :/
[11:42] <HappyFool> or just 'ls' to get a list of files
[11:42] <IIIEars> What is the command to install  libdvdcss-1.2.8.tar.bz2?
[11:42] <thr1ce> zazeem, does your sound work regularly ?
[11:42] <Funraiser> danko123456, :-S
[11:42] <zazeem> ya
[11:42] <IIIEars> bz2?
[11:42] <seth> tritium, huh?
[11:42] <zazeem> o wait
[11:43] <zazeem> think i typed it wrong to kill esd
[11:43] <zazeem> lol
[11:43] <Dalail> i deleted the default user from ubuntu and created another on at the same time.  Now nothing that needs sudo to work works.  any idea how this newbie can fix his problem
[11:43] <thr1ce> killall esd
[11:43] <Dalail> please
[11:43] <HappyFool> claire_: you *can* also use the file browser (i.e., Places -> Home, then navigate to the file) and double-click on the file
[11:43] <urb85> hello ppl
[11:43] <nickrud> IIIEars, that's the source, you need to compile it (or find a deb)
[11:43] <sbcl3> how do i edit a file owned by root using gedit?
[11:43] <thingfish> IIIEars: why are you trying to install from source?  Is there no ubuntu package available for what you want?
[11:43] <sbcl3> (on the account of a normal user)
[11:44] <shadeofgrey> dalial:  i had the same problem...  you have to go into users and groups and assign the new user permission to use system resources like sound etc. etc.
[11:44] <HappyFool> Dalail: maybe boot in rescue mode and add the new user to admin
[11:44] <thr1ce> sudo gedit file
[11:44] <claire_> HappyFool: okie dokies. I'll do that, because it still can't find the file
[11:44] <Funraiser> sbcl3, did u try sudo?
[11:44] <urb85> sblc, on the terminal type
[11:44] <urb85> sblc, sudo gedit filename
[11:44] <Dalail> which file should i edit ?
[11:44] <HappyFool> Dalail: that is, add the user to the admin group
[11:45] <nickrud> Dalail, adduser <user> admin
[11:45] <HappyFool> Dalail: you can use the 'addgroup' command. type 'man addgroup'
[11:45] <sbcl3> Funraiser: wouldn't it have to be editted from command line then?
[11:45] <sbcl3> i don't know vim
[11:45] <IIIEars> I guess installing a .deb would be easier. - bz2 is good practice no?
[11:45] <tritium> Dalail, don't forget to use sudo
[11:45] <urb85> sbcl3, sudo gedit filename
[11:45] <sbcl3> alright
[11:45] <sbcl3> thanks
[11:45] <urb85> sbcl3, yw
[11:45] <HappyFool> tritium: he can't. he erased that user ;)
[11:45] <nickrud> oh
[11:45] <nickrud> duh
[11:45] <tritium> HappyFool, ouch
[11:46] <HappyFool> indeed
[11:46] <HappyFool> ;)
[11:46] <we2by> does any one knows what the heck is this? /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server
[11:46] <Funraiser> danko123456, are u still there lol
[11:46] <urb85> Guys, somebody knows where I can download the special CD for Ubuntu plenty of extra software?
[11:46] <IIIEars> the same file is in synaptic also marillat - learning to use linux is fun. :)
[11:46] <Amaranth> we2by: What about it?
[11:46] <Dalail> i was going to say that
[11:46] <HappyFool> Dalail: boot into rescue mode and user the 'addgroup' command like that
[11:46] <we2by> Amaranth, it's servind files I think
[11:46] <we2by> but I dunno what it is
[11:46] <IIIEars> Can you point me to a link?
[11:47] <Adyeths> shoot. I just looked up what that gam_server thing was a few days ago. but I forget what it was. it wasn't anything bad though I remember that.
[11:47] <HappyFool> Dalail: press 'ESC' when the grub prompt comes up to get a boot menu, if you don't get one already
[11:47] <IIIEars> libdvdcss-1.2.8.tar.bz2?
[11:48] <Dalail> HappyFool : Should i select the recovery option ?
[11:48] <Amaranth> we2by: "Gamin is a file and directory monitoring system defined to be a subset of the FAM (File Alteration Monitor) system." <--from the gamin package
[11:48] <HappyFool> Dalail: yes, that's the one
[11:48] <urb85> Where to download Ubuntu extra CD plenty of extra software?
[11:48] <IIIEars> peeking at code is a novelty. - learning C, C++ is useful.
[11:48] <we2by> ok
[11:48] <HappyFool> Dalail: you'll boot up into single-user mode, and you'll automatically 'login' as root
[11:49] <HappyFool> urb85: maybe you mean this? : http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd/
[11:49] <Dalail> HF : then addgroup ?
[11:49] <HappyFool> Dalail: yeah, someone gave the precise command earlier
[11:49] <IIIEars> Aw. - do i -have- to use "Synaptic" (frown) - lol
[11:49] <urb85> HappyFool, exactly, thanks a lot! Have you used it? Is it any good?
[11:49] <HappyFool> 'adduser <username> admin', replacing <username> with your user's name
[11:50] <HappyFool> urb85: sorry, no i haven't
[11:50] <urb85> HappyFool, np I will probably go and find out myself :) thanks anyway
[11:50] <selinium> Hi all, when I print a PDF the quality is terrible. it triggers the command /usr/bin/lp   Is there some change i can put here to get a decent print?
[11:51] <claire_> HappyFool (can I just call you HF?): nyah... it still keeps saying that the file isn't there, when I know very well it is
[11:51] <thr1ce> selinium, look into cups
[11:51] <thr1ce> selinium, there is plenty of documentation on it
[11:51] <Funraiser> my godness that extra cd holds everything that is on ubuntuguide...
[11:51] <Dalail> hp: man addgroup and adduser <whoever> admin ?
[11:51] <HappyFool> Dalail: no. man addgroup is to read the manual page for addgroup
[11:51] <HappyFool> the second command is what you really want
[11:52] <linukso> Hi! Anyone here using netapplet? It doesnt display any active connections...
[11:52] <selinium> thr1ce: i have cups installed and working. Being a bit of a newbie, how do i send the the file to CUPS?
[11:52] <HappyFool> claire_: hmm
[11:52] <thr1ce> selinium, I haven't used it personally, sorry...but I hear it's the best/easiest way to get printing working
[11:53] <selinium> thr1ce: cheers for the pointer! :)
[11:53] <HappyFool> claire_: is there only one zip file?
[11:53] <Dalail> hp: sorry, I am new to this.  learning fast, wrecking everything every couple of days
[11:53] <thr1ce> selinium, hehe, sorry man; try linuxprinting
[11:53] <LinuxJones> selinium, what app are you trying to print from ?
[11:53] <nickrud> claire_, try typing uzip, and then hitting the tab key, it the file is there it will be completed on the command line
[11:53] <HappyFool> claire_: you could try something like 'unzip *.zip', in case there's any funny characters in the filename
[11:53] <nickrud> unzip*
[11:53] <seth> Dalail, you should never apologize for learning. The best way to learn is to break it then learn how to fix it.
[11:54] <nobile> what is the command to find a file?
[11:54] <klaas> Hello, good evening everyone.
[11:54] <thr1ce> locate
[11:54] <thr1ce> or, if it's an exec, whereis
[11:54] <HappyFool> nickcrud's idea is good too. but you *must* be able to find it using nautilus (i.e., Places -> Home etc)
[11:54] <selinium> LinuxJones: Adobe Acrobat. it send the file to  /usr/bin/lp. I assume i can change this line to send it elsewhere for a better quality priont
[11:54] <selinium> print even!
[11:55] <Pupeno> Hello again.
[11:55] <urb85> Ppl, can somebody help me with a little annoying prob with XCHM?
[11:55] <zazeem> thr1ce
[11:55] <zazeem> ?
[11:55] <thr1ce> yes?
[11:55] <zazeem> this is error i get in console ------- sound initialization -------/dev/dsp: Input/output errorCould not mmap /dev/dsp------------------------------------
[11:56] <LinuxJones> selinium, have you setup your printer and tested it in gnome-cups-manager ?
[11:56] <thr1ce> run alsamixer; is your sound configured properly?
[11:56] <zazeem> starts but no sound
[11:56] <zazeem> k hang on
[11:56] <selinium> LinuxJones: yes
[11:56] <Pupeno> I work with Lisp, so, for me, it is important to have recent versions of sbcl, slime, and lots of other packages related to Lisp. Ubuntu packages are outdated so I'm planning to make new packages whenever is possible. I notice for example, that there are some newer Lisp-related packages on Debian. So, what do you recomend me to do ?
[11:56] <selinium> LinuxJones: I get a better quality print there!
[11:57] <shadeofgrey> just out of curiosity whats the ubuntu equivelant to microsoft project?
[11:57] <guerby> hi, is -m32 supposed to work on ubuntu 5.04 amd64?
[11:57] <zazeem> thr1ce, how do i know if its set up right?
[11:57] <linukso> Pupeno: install gentoo :) ....
[11:57] <HappyFool> selinium: have you tried printing with xpdf?
[11:57] <thr1ce> zazeem, is your sound card listed there correctly?
[11:57] <guerby> guerby@pc64:~/tmp$ gcc-4.0 -m32 yo.c
[11:57] <guerby> /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux/4.0.0/../../../libc.so when searching for -lc
[11:57] <guerby> /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux/4.0.0/../../../libc.a when searching for -lc
[11:57] <guerby> ...
[11:57] <thr1ce> zazeem, and, have you played music or something to know it works ?
[11:57] <linukso> shadeofgrey: gnome project
[11:57] <guerby> /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libc.a when searching for -lc
[11:57] <guerby> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc
[11:57] <guerby> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[11:57] <zazeem> this is what it saysCard: VIA 8237                                                                Chip: ICEnsembleVT1616i                                                      View:Playback                                                                Item: Master
[11:57] <Pupeno> linukso: I already did that, I'm switching to ubuntu after more than a year of using Gentoo... and in fact, if you check bugzilla, you'll see that I've done a lot of Lisp ebuilds for Gentoo.
[11:58] <thr1ce> zazeem, have you played sound from there?
[11:58] <shadeofgrey> linukso:  is gnome project installable thru apt-get
[11:58] <zazeem> i hear ubuntu sounds
[11:58] <nickrud> shadeofgrey, mrproject is in universe
[11:59] <linukso> Pupeno: ah, great!
[11:59] <thr1ce> zazeem, run killall esd; it says nothing is killed?
[11:59] <HappyFool> guerby: i'm guessing a 32-bit compile should be looking in /usr/lib32. and no, i have no idea how to make that happen ;)
[11:59] <zazeem> no
[11:59] <zazeem> itsaid nothing that time