[12:02] <theD3viL> now i must rr ?
[12:02] <theD3viL> or how restart whole sound system
[12:02] <steffenstrobel> wait!
[12:02] <steffenstrobel> look here: http://www.xiph.org/ao/
[12:02] <steffenstrobel> there is nothing baout artsd
[12:03] <steffenstrobel> why are you editing this file?
[12:04] <theD3viL> becouse this is default driver...oh my god.. i am sleepy...:> now teamspeak and everything other works... so ...... i wont change nothing !
[12:04] <theD3viL> :>
[12:05] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: :) if it works then leave it untouched
[12:05] <theD3viL> yes..
[12:05] <theD3viL> ;)
[12:05] <steffenstrobel> :)
[12:06] <theD3viL> hm... has enyone problem with opening openoffice or etc. .. it seems to be open twice and then open 1... and one of 2 still opening and than close after 10sec... ?!
[12:09] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, know something about that ?
[12:10] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: no, my openoffice works as desired
[12:10] <PaloDeQueso> is there a place I can get kdevelop for kubuntu
[12:10] <PaloDeQueso> ?
[12:12] <steffenstrobel> PaloDeQueso: yes wait a minute
[12:13] <steffenstrobel> PaloDeQueso: do you have universe enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:14] <PaloDeQueso> steffenstrobel: not sure, let me check :)
[12:15] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, tnx for all the help.. i must go sleep now..
[12:15] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: no problem!
[12:15] <theD3viL> :)
[12:15] <steffenstrobel> :)
[12:15] <steffenstrobel> PaloDeQueso: do you know howto check?
[12:15] <theD3viL> hum... 1 question more... is extra reposities unstable?
[12:16] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: you mean universe or what?
[12:16] <theD3viL> yes
[12:16] <theD3viL> or just extra... whatever which
[12:17] <PaloDeQueso> steffenstrobel: not really :I
[12:17] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: well, there are packages that have special licenses and packages which have not so good security checks
[12:17] <PaloDeQueso> steffenstrobel: I thought I did.
[12:17] <theD3viL> steffenstrobel, you have stable or "unstable" ?
[12:17] <steffenstrobel> PaloDeQueso: ok open aterminal and type: apt-cache search kdevelop
[12:17] <PaloDeQueso> I did that but I got nothing.
[12:18] <kay> theD3viL: It might be "testing"
[12:18] <theD3viL> why that?
[12:18] <steffenstrobel> PaloDeQueso: ok then type: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:18] <PaloDeQueso> ok
[12:19] <steffenstrobel> is universe commentet out? #
[12:19] <PaloDeQueso> steffenstrobel: uncomment the linux with universe in it.
[12:19] <PaloDeQueso> yea
[12:19] <theD3viL> hum.. i must go..
[12:19] <steffenstrobel> then remove the #
[12:19] <theD3viL> cu
[12:19] <steffenstrobel> theD3viL: cu
[12:19] <PaloDeQueso> on all of the universe ones?
[12:19] <steffenstrobel> yes
[12:19] <PaloDeQueso> ok, thanks
[12:19] <steffenstrobel> and then save the file
[12:19] <PaloDeQueso> then apt-get update?
[12:20] <steffenstrobel> yes
[12:20] <steffenstrobel> and then do the search again
[12:20] <PaloDeQueso> Thanks man.
[12:20] <steffenstrobel> there should be kdevelop and kdevelop3
[12:20] <steffenstrobel> kdevelop is the old 2 version
[12:20] <steffenstrobel> i'm using kdevelop3
[12:22] <PaloDeQueso> yea, that's what I use.
[12:22] <steffenstrobel> kdevolp3?
[12:22] <PaloDeQueso> I used to have debian on this box but kubuntu intrigued me.
[12:22] <PaloDeQueso> yea
[12:22] <steffenstrobel> and did you find it?
[12:22] <PaloDeQueso> yeppers
[12:22] <PaloDeQueso> thanks
[12:22] <PaloDeQueso> This is sweet.
[12:22] <steffenstrobel> :)
[12:23] <PaloDeQueso> now to set up the ndiswrapper :)
[12:23] <steffenstrobel> PaloDeQueso: do you know how?
[12:31] <closure> hello
[12:31] <closure> has anyone used Netscape 8?
[12:32] <Firetech> Isn't that just for windows?
[12:33] <closure> i don't know
[12:33] <closure> i thought netscape was dead and gone
[12:33] <closure> but i just saw an article
[12:34] <closure> and the icons in it look straight out of KDE
[12:34] <closure> http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/flashtour.jsp
[12:35] <morten> back to my net-radio issue... Firefox just tells me that I need to install a plugin... would anyone have an idea what that pluginn is calleded ?
[12:35] <steffenstrobel> what site?
[12:35] <Firetech> the new NS8 is just for windows, because it (partly) uses the IE ActiveX component. Mainly, it uses gecko (Firefox), though.
[12:36] <morten> .... so... well, you think that I can somehow Apt-get solve the problem.... Cause thats the way i prefer to solve problems
[12:36] <steffenstrobel> morten: on which site does firefox ask you for a plugin?
[12:36] <closure> wasn't sure
[12:36] <morten> www.dr.dk/p3
[12:36] <closure> morten, what are you having issues with?
[12:36] <morten> And then the netradio thingie
[12:37] <closure> morten, firefox is not recognized by some sites for some reason
[12:37] <steffenstrobel> morten: looks like windows media player
[12:38] <morten> That might be it.. I just remember i once had a distro where it just worked...
[12:38] <steffenstrobel> morten: konqueror plays it with kaffeine
[12:38] <dangermouse> kaffeine + hoary = bad
[12:38] <dangermouse> ;/
[12:39] <steffenstrobel> dangermouse: why? the crashes on exit? :)
[12:39] <dangermouse> or on file load while already open
[12:39] <dangermouse> i also noticed kopete crashes everytime i logout ;)
[12:39] <dangermouse> but that's fine, i'm obviously done with it anyhow
[12:40] <steffenstrobel> kopete works for me, but kaffeine always crashes
[12:40] <dangermouse> it certainly beats kopete on debian sarge, which crashes whenever one closes an IM window
[12:40] <morten> well, else I guess I just have to blow the dust of my old radio... and find out what frequience (and i can't spell that) they play on
[12:40] <dangermouse> yeah, kaffeine sucks on two of my kubuntu desktops, but works fine on my debian/kde desktop ;(
[12:40] <steffenstrobel> morten: have you tried to open it with konquereror? it works here on my kubuntu
[12:41] <steffenstrobel> dangermouse: but it plays nearly everthing :)
[12:41] <dangermouse> true true
[12:41] <dangermouse> it gets on my nerve though
[12:42] <steffenstrobel> dangermouse: it even crashes konqueror when the plugin was active
[12:42] <morten> ... nope.... I somehow hate konqueror.. but.. Maybe it's because it crashes all the time for me
[12:42] <steffenstrobel> wait a minute i will try your site in firefox
[12:45] <steffenstrobel> morten: have you tried intslling kaffeine-mozilla?
[12:45] <morten> nope....
[12:45] <closure> kopete sucks
[12:45] <steffenstrobel> morten: try it :)
[12:46] <closure> steffenstrobel, i had a similar problem with Pan
[12:46] <steffenstrobel> closure: Pan? whats that?
[12:46] <closure> steffenstrobel, i found that if i go through the "File" menu and click exit as opposed to the button on the title bar it would close
[12:46] <closure> steffenstrobel, it's a usenet reader
[12:46] <steffenstrobel> closure: ah ok
[12:46] <steffenstrobel> closure: i know that trick with the file menu but it doesn't work always
[12:46] <closure> steffenstrobel, but if i click the button it will freeze up and i get the KDE proc kill msg
[12:47] <closure> steffenstrobel, *shrugs* some things just work weird
[12:47] <morten> and now it works
[12:47] <morten> *roars like a wookie*
[12:48] <steffenstrobel> morten: the radio? with the kaffeine-mozilla thing?
[12:48] <morten> yup, sudo apt-get install kaffeine-mozilla
[12:48] <morten> And poeple say that it's hard to install things in linux.... ... it's way to easy
[12:48] <morten> at least in an debian based distro.
[12:49] <morten> or with apt-get, yum or whatever they are called
[12:49] <steffenstrobel> emerge :)
[12:50] <morten> Well, I'll travle to dreamland.... See ya
[12:50] <steffenstrobel> morten: cu
[12:52] <dangermouse> yeah true, steffenstrobel
[12:53] <steffenstrobel> dangermouse: what is true? plugin -> konqueror rash?
[12:53] <dangermouse> affirmative
[12:54] <steffenstrobel> :)
[01:02] <kay> oh ouch
[01:03] <kay> My Breezy broke hard today
[01:03] <steffenstrobel> wtf?
[01:03] <kay> Actually, not so unexpected, kdm didn't start after latest xorg update
[01:03] <kay> Happened on my work machine
[01:04] <steffenstrobel> not good :(
[01:04] <kay> I read how i could finally make dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg work
[01:04] <kay> And after it did, things looked better than before
[01:04] <kay> BUT
[01:04] <kay> On the notebook , and i didn't notice before, things hang in boot
[01:05] <kay> I get lots of complaints about getty respawning to fast
[01:05] <kay> This must be an older problem, it started recently that I had to do a /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant restart after boot
[01:06] <kay> I went through grub, booted into bash and repaired things for xorg there
[01:06] <kay> The consoles are broken though
[01:06] <kay> Now... hm, what to do?!
[01:08] <steffenstrobel> what is the exect error?
[01:08] <steffenstrobel> exact
[01:09] <steffenstrobel> cat /var/log/messages
[01:09] <kay> Like /usr/sbin/laptopmode line 255: command not found
[01:10] <kay> That command being blockdev
[01:10] <steffenstrobel> i mean getty
[01:10] <kay> I found that i didn't have fdflush installed, and just did
[01:10] <kay> That I saw on tty output 7 i think... let me check
[01:10] <steffenstrobel> ok
[01:11] <kay> No, it would be on tty7 i guess, but there is now x
[01:11] <steffenstrobel> perhaps cat /var/log/messages could help
[01:11] <kay> It said like /sbin/getty cannot execute
[01:12] <kay> I looked there.... but you know what, dmesg doesn't get found
[01:12] <steffenstrobel> you have no dmesg?
[01:12] <kay> I had to do less on the thing.... some basic package may be missing
[01:12] <kay> Yeah
[01:12] <steffenstrobel> *lol*
[01:12] <kay> root@Anima:~# dmesg
[01:12] <kay> -su: dmesg: command not found
[01:13] <kay> What package is it in?
[01:13] <kay> Besides, I never found so far the equivalent of packages.debian.org
[01:13] <kay> btw, i was doing a svn up on KDE svn and then followed that web radio link seen here
[01:14] <kay> Music started, then things crashed hard... but I believe now that the problem is older
[01:14] <steffenstrobel> i think that kaffeine crashed :)
[01:14] <kay> It was in konqueror
[01:15] <steffenstrobel> yes, we talked about it a litte bit earlier
[01:15] <kay> Anyway... can you tell me where to search kubuntu packages?
[01:15] <steffenstrobel> kaffeine plugin crashes konqerror
[01:15] <kay> ah... shit
[01:15] <kay> But in my case, it also took down the machine
[01:15] <steffenstrobel> apt-cache search name
[01:15] <kay> No result, except some issue of a mag
[01:15] <steffenstrobel> or open kynaptic or synaptic
[01:15] <steffenstrobel> ???
[01:16] <kay> Do you know packages.debian.org?
[01:16] <steffenstrobel> yes
[01:16] <kay> It can find packages with files named "dmesg".
[01:16] <kay> There must be something like that for Ubuntu too, not?
[01:16] <steffenstrobel> perhaps its in ubuntu-base
[01:17] <kay> In Debian it is in util-linux 
[01:17] <kay> That one had an update, I remember it
[01:17] <steffenstrobel> apt-cache search util-linux finds it!
[01:18] <kay> What does it find, Steffen?
[01:18] <steffenstrobel> it finds the util-linux package
[01:18] <steffenstrobel> so you could try reinstaling it
[01:18] <kay> I did that, but still not there
[01:18] <kay> I hope I have the old deb still
[01:19] <steffenstrobel> have you tried reinstalling ubuntu-base?
[01:19] <kay> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 377836 Apr 16 02:45 util-linux_2.12p-4ubuntu1_i386.deb
[01:19] <kay> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 377384 May 12 19:10 util-linux_2.12p-4ubuntu2_i386.deb
[01:19] <kay> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 298732 May 20 14:20 util-linux_2.12p-4ubuntu3_i386.deb
[01:19] <kay> steffenstrobel: Well, it is only a meta package, it would not help
[01:20] <kay> Can you see how the last one is different size than the 2?
[01:20] <steffenstrobel> yes
[01:20] <dangermouse> my new laptop = <3
[01:20] <kay> what?
[01:20] <steffenstrobel> i can see that the last one has a different size
[01:20] <dangermouse> 1GHz, 256 ram, 20GB drive, $500 :D
[01:21] <dangermouse> the 15" screen is cozy too :D
[01:21] <steffenstrobel> kay: are you from germany?
[01:21] <kay> Well, welcome back dmesg on my machine
[01:21] <kay> steffenstrobel: Yes, of you it is obvious with the nick :)
[01:22] <kay> dangermouse: Cool :)
[01:22] <steffenstrobel> kay: don't forget you have the @dip0.t-ipconnect.de
[01:22] <steffenstrobel> kay: t-online backbone
[01:22] <dangermouse> all kubuntued out
[01:23] <kay> ah.... of course
[01:23] <steffenstrobel> kay: so i knew you are also from germany
[01:23] <kay> Yup.... that's right
[01:23] <kay> Hamburg here, btw and you?
[01:24] <steffenstrobel> near munich
[01:24] <kay> :p
[01:24] <steffenstrobel> its 24 past midnight in germany :)
[01:24] <steffenstrobel> no
[01:24] <steffenstrobel> 01:24 sorry
[01:25] <steffenstrobel> one hour 24 minutes past midnight
[01:25] <kay> good time to play breezy :)
[01:25] <steffenstrobel> :)
[01:27] <Jeezis00> ok, whenever i use synaptic or kynaptic it works fine until i try to commit the changes, then it says error 'k(s)ynaptic command not found
[01:28] <kay> hm... dont use it, use synaptic
[01:28] <kay> ksynaptic in hoary is hoarible :p
[01:29] <steffenstrobel> kay: here are at least 10 people from germany!
[01:29] <Jeezis> no no, synaptic does the same thing
[01:29] <Jeezis> and kynaptic does it as well
[01:29] <kay> steffenstrobel: Well, this is Free Software, it's always like that with us Germans 
[01:29] <steffenstrobel> :)
[01:29] <kay> oh
[01:30] <kay> Jeezis: Hoary?
[01:31] <Jeezis> kay: yup
[01:32] <kay> Well, good night here
[01:32] <kay> I am too tired... sleep...
[01:36] <pepsi> kdelibs-data has been stuck in synaptic for the past month
[01:36] <pepsi> maybe longer ;)
[01:37] <pepsi> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.27a3b0000005ap-1333.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[01:37] <closure> pepsi, read the topic
[01:37] <pepsi> oh i see ;)
[01:37] <closure> it's been that way for about 2 months or so
[01:38] <closure> i'm suprised you shit didn't break mine did
[01:38] <pepsi> i never use kde
[01:38] <closure> why do you have it then>
[01:38] <closure> err ?
[01:38] <pepsi> i dunno
[01:38] <pepsi> why not
[01:38] <pepsi> i tried it once
[01:38] <pepsi> i intended to try it again, but never got around to it
[01:39] <pepsi> the ui looked pretty ugly to me, and it looks like id sit there for days fixing stuff so i like it
[01:42] <closure> KDE > *
[01:43] <pepsi> im not looking for shiny windows and buttons, im not looking for huge fonts all over the place
[01:43] <pepsi> how do i get it so it looks like a boring ui?
[01:43] <closure> lol
[01:43] <closure> you configure it
[01:43] <closure> you can make it do anything
[01:43] <pepsi> yeah, you can make it do too much
[01:43] <pepsi> it should have a "boring ui" theme or some such that sets it all for me
[01:44] <dangermouse> install gnome then
[01:44] <dangermouse> oh BORING
[01:44] <dangermouse> i thought you said "broken"
[01:44] <pepsi> the gnome ui doesnt seem very broken to me
[01:44] <pepsi> but it was easy to get a boring ui
[01:44] <closure> gnome sucks
[01:44] <pepsi> ok
[01:44] <pepsi> but i dont want to sit there for days configuring the ui
[01:45] <pepsi> is there any way to automatically fix eveyrthing?
[01:45] <dangermouse> gnome makes it easy: you can't
[01:45] <dangermouse> pepsi: use a theme
[01:45] <pepsi> they are all shiny and pretty
[01:45] <dangermouse> they're clones of existing ones, mostly
[01:45] <dangermouse> redmond is 'pretty'?
[01:46] <dangermouse> or platinum?
[01:46] <dangermouse> kde classic?
[01:46] <pepsi> i dont even know.. my biggest problem was the size of all the elements
[01:46] <dangermouse> hey, yellow-on-blue
[01:46] <pepsi> huge text and icons
[01:46] <dangermouse> sex in a tarball.
[01:46] <dangermouse> boost your resolution
[01:47] <pepsi> im at 1600x1200
[01:47] <dangermouse> buddy, just install ubuntu+gnome
[01:47] <dangermouse> nobody likes a whiner
[01:47] <dangermouse> 'aww i don't wanna tweak, ooh, it'll give me carpal tunnel syndrome...'
[01:47] <pepsi> well if you can show me how to make it not look all cluttered with prettiness, id like to try it
[01:47] <dangermouse> why would i do that
[01:47] <pepsi> i dunno
[01:47] <dangermouse> i never go out of my way to make my desktop look like trash anyway
[01:47] <pepsi> but apparently you cant do it without tweaking a zillion settings
[01:48] <pepsi> and no, i dont want to do that ;)
[01:48] <dangermouse> i don't get the clutter bit
[01:48] <dangermouse> no desktop icons
[01:48] <dangermouse> 3 launchers, a menu, task tray, and a trash controller
[01:48] <pepsi> the UI elements catch my eye too much
[01:48] <dangermouse> the application list has what, a dozen entries
[01:48] <dangermouse> close them.
[01:49] <dangermouse> 'catch my eye too much'... jeez
[01:52] <pepsi> whatever man... like i said i tried it, but having to setup the ui before i actually _use_ it is a big turn off
[01:52] <dangermouse> good
[01:52] <dangermouse> sorry man
[01:52] <dangermouse> we're not here to try and 'win you over'
[01:53] <dangermouse> WE are kde users because WE like it
[01:53] <dangermouse> if YOU don't, leave
[01:53] <dangermouse> or stay
[01:53] <pepsi> mkay
[01:53] <pepsi> you're an ass
[01:53] <dangermouse> cheers
[01:54] <pepsi> ill stay in case i find someone who's less high-and-mighty
[01:54] <dangermouse> whatever
[01:54] <transgress> umm what's the problem?
[01:56] <dangermouse> the kde ui offends him
[01:56] <dangermouse> i'm still not sure what his actual issue is
[01:56] <dangermouse> IE, why he's here
[01:56] <dangermouse> but it seems to be to troll
[01:57] <pepsi> im here cause im interested in using kde, thats all
[01:58] <transgress> pepsi why not grab the kubuntu livecd test it out for a couple hours
[02:02] <smouche> pepsi, you can either "tweak a zillion settings" as you put it, or try a zillion distros till you magically hit on one that's just right for you without tweaking; either way you're gonna have to put time into it.
[02:09] <Jeezis> having some trouble with both synaptic and kynaptic
[02:10] <Jeezis> they both work just fine but whenever i try to apply the changes i get this error 'synaptic command not found' or 'kynaptic command not found'
[02:11] <smouche> Jeezis, with kpackage, the only way I could get it let me apply changes was if I invoked it with kdesu -- not wit sudo
[02:11] <othernoob> hi, im trying to install ghc and when doing ./configure i get a configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH error, how do i fix that ?
[02:15] <pv_> othernoob, maybe you would like to install a prepackaged ghc, e.g., apt-get install ghc6
[02:16] <othernoob> pv_ if only there was one :/
[02:16] <othernoob> couldn't find one on the ghc page :/
[02:16] <pv_> by ghc, you mean the Glasgow Haskell Compiler?
[02:16] <othernoob> yes
[02:17] <pv_> the package ghc6 is in universe, just apt-get install it
[02:17] <othernoob> okay, but would you know how i can fix the $PATH error ?
[02:18] <dangermouse> apt-get install gcc
[02:18] <othernoob> gcc is installed
[02:18] <dangermouse> k
[02:19] <pv_> does "gcc --version" work?
[02:19] <othernoob> gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)
[02:19] <othernoob> so, yes.
[02:20] <pv_> Then there's likely something wrong with the ghc configure scripts :/
[02:20] <othernoob> :/
[02:21] <pv_> Alternatively, your installation may have a mysterious problem (TM)
[02:22] <othernoob> heh.. it already does with the 686 kernels :/
[02:23] <othernoob> all 686 kernels i got via kynaptic are unstable ..
[02:23] <othernoob> for me..
[02:24] <othernoob> and the system is just 1 day old :O so i cant have possibly fucked up things that bad yet ;)
[02:25] <Firetech> run the 386 then.
[02:26] <othernoob> Firetech i am, otherwise i wouldnt be here :/
[02:27] <Firetech> the 686-images tend to be unstable for me too. I run a custom kernel by default though.
[02:28] <othernoob> so you run a custom 686smp ?
[02:29] <Firetech> no, a custom normal 686
[02:29] <Firetech> just my own config
[02:30] <Firetech> smp is for multiple CPUs
[02:30] <othernoob> and HT, if i wasnt told wrong
[02:31] <Firetech> maybe so.
[02:31] <Firetech> I don't have HT, on my 2,4GHz Celeron
[02:33] <Firetech> I wanted to buy a P4 last christmas, when I was upgrading my computer, but my newly bought motherboard (6 months old, got it cheap from a friend) doesn't support Prescott...
[02:34] <othernoob> it wouldnt be a msi now would it ?
[02:35] <Firetech> no, my old broken one was a MSI.
[02:35] <Firetech> *an
[02:36] <Firetech> this one's a Shuttle AV49PN
[02:41] <Jeezis> how do i enable a wireless device?
[02:41] <pablo928> hi, i could use some help with kbear
[02:42] <pablo928> Jeezis, maybe we should go back to #ubuntu, don't think anyone is listening hewre
[02:43] <pablo928> *here
[02:45] <Jeezis> pablo928: righto
[02:56] <PaloDeQueso> When you write a script, what are the starting and ending characters you're supposed to put in it?
[02:57] <Blissex> PaloDeQueso: none. If it is a shell script.
[02:58] <PaloDeQueso> oh, thanks!
[03:07] <PaloDeQueso> sweet
[03:16] <othernoob> what's wrong with this sources.list http://pastebin.com/287246  ?
[03:16] <othernoob> why do i always get a "cant open list..." when using apt-get ?
[03:22] <transgress> othernoob: did you apt-get update?
[03:22] <othernoob> yes
[03:23] <othernoob> i can copy the output to pastebin if you want, but it'll be in german
[03:25] <mrmanic> does kubuntu not contain the svn kioslave?
[03:25] <othernoob> http://pastebin.com/287256
[03:25] <othernoob> ^^the output of apt-get update
[03:27] <closure> ok
[03:27] <closure> so tell me if i'm alone on this one
[03:27] <closure> does anybody else get a thrill out of just typing "ls" and looking at the colors?
[03:27] <othernoob> lol
[03:27] <othernoob> OoO purdy colors :)
[03:27] <mrmanic> closure: what kind of a thrill?  a one-handed typing thrill?  
[03:27] <mrmanic> no
[03:28] <mrmanic> I do like the colors, though.
[03:28] <closure> mrmanic, lol
[03:28] <closure> i don't know why i've always liked it. it's my favourite feature
[03:29] <mrmanic> closure: with simple pleasures like that your life must be a real joy
[03:29] <closure> mrmanic, oh it is... every now and then i even get laid
[03:30] <mrmanic> most people are like "bash?  like break something?  I want a new car and a pair of hot twins"
[03:30] <mrmanic> but not you
[03:30] <mrmanic> YOU GET LAID?!
[03:30] <closure> mrmanic, like i said every now and then
[03:30] <mrmanic> you must have drunk from the holy grail of geekdom
[03:30] <closure> i've been on a dry spell for a couple months
[03:31] <closure> beer is much better than a woman
[03:31] <mrmanic> I disagree totally
[03:31] <mrmanic> beer runs out.
[03:31] <closure> so does a woman
[03:31] <closure> difference is when beer runs out you can go get some more
[03:31] <mrmanic> not if you remember to feed her regularly.
[03:31] <closure> at the store
[03:32] <closure> women you have to work for
[03:32] <mrmanic> set up a cron job to remind you.
[03:32] <closure> now that is geekdom
[03:32] <closure> lol
[03:32] <mrmanic> ;)
[03:32] <closure> cron 22:00 feed woman
[03:32] <mrmanic> haha
[03:32] <closure> cron 22:01 your cock
[03:33] <closure> oh wait this is a family friendly channel
[03:33] <mrmanic> yes
[03:33] <mrmanic> that's male chicken folks
[03:33] <closure> oh well
[03:33] <mrmanic> was a family pet
[03:33] <mrmanic> now it's food for your wife
[03:33] <mrmanic> that's life on the farm
[03:33] <closure> the day somone is opped in here i'll be careful
[03:33] <mrmanic> man
[03:33] <closure> lol
[03:33] <mrmanic> we are so offtopic
[03:35] <mrmanic> so really
[03:35] <mrmanic> does kubuntu actually not include the svn kioslave?
[03:37] <closure> no idea
[03:37] <mrmanic> hrm
[03:38] <mrmanic> that kind of throws a kink in my urge to run kde cvs
[03:38] <mrmanic> er
[03:38] <mrmanic> duh
[03:38] <mrmanic> not cvs anymore
[03:38] <mrmanic> kde svn
[03:38] <othernoob> so anyone any idea regarding my sources.list ?
[03:39] <mrmanic> looking
[03:40] <mrmanic> man, translation sucks
[03:41] <mrmanic> looks like you misspelled multiverse
[03:41] <mrmanic> that's one thing
[03:41] <mrmanic> might be the root of your problem
[03:41] <mrmanic> looks like it's looking for mulitverse
[03:41] <mrmanic> cat sources.list | grep mulit
[03:41] <mrmanic> you should see the problem
[03:42] <othernoob> shit, yea okay. did that when my res was set to 1920*1440 on a 17". 
[03:44] <mrmanic> haha
[03:45] <mrmanic> no excuse.  my res is set on 1920x1200 on a 15.4"
[03:45] <othernoob> http://pastebin.com/287262 new output
[03:45] <othernoob> tft ? or crt ?
[03:45] <mrmanic> tft
[03:45] <othernoob> crt here
[03:46] <mrmanic> oh
[03:46] <mrmanic> I'm so sorry
[03:46] <mrmanic> ;)
[03:46] <othernoob> and i'm shortsighted. so:/
[03:46] <othernoob> lol
[03:46] <mrmanic> so what's your frustration?
[03:46] <mrmanic> the GPG error?
[03:46] <mrmanic> or the duplicate sources?
[03:47] <othernoob> both
[03:47] <mrmanic> ok, the duplicate sources should be in your sources.list
[03:47] <othernoob> the duplicates should be because i copied some lines from another german
[03:47] <mrmanic> just look carefully
[03:47] <mrmanic> the GPG error I don't really know how to fix.
[03:48] <othernoob> do you know if those sites are important ? 
[03:48] <mrmanic> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/swmgmt.html#h2add
[03:48] <mrmanic> look at step 6
[03:49] <mrmanic> it's probably all you need
[03:49] <mrmanic> I don't know if they're important, as I don't know what they host
[03:51] <othernoob> okay, only the os-works gpg error remains :)
[03:52] <mrmanic> http://www.os-cillation.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=deb-help;action=display;num=1110053930
[03:52] <mrmanic> othernoob: I recommend googling intelligently
[03:52] <mrmanic> the last to URLs were the first or second urls grabbed from googling
[03:53] <mrmanic> s/to/too/
[03:53] <mrmanic> woah
[03:53] <mrmanic> s/to/two/
[03:53] <mrmanic> man I'm messed up tonight
[03:57] <othernoob> thanks :)
[04:00] <mrmanic> so does that solve all your problems?
[04:00] <othernoob> with sources.list, yes :)
[04:26] <transgress> hmm
[04:26] <transgress> my finger is looking somewhat odd...
[04:41] <othernoob> night :)
[05:18] <pepsi> whats a nice, boring window theme? nothing fancy at all, small and to the point
[05:24] <haydenTNG> pepsi: theme for what
[05:29] <pepsi> i dunno
[05:30] <pepsi> for how the windows and stuff look
[05:30] <pepsi> i dont want anything eye catchy
[05:35] <haydenTNG> r u talking about a window manager like KDE or Gnome?
[05:36] <pepsi> no, afaik this is a kde channel? ;)
[05:36] <haydenTNG> this is a #kubuntu channel
[05:37] <pepsi> ive been using gnome, and i want to try kde, but its hard to find a window style that isnt big or shiney
[05:37] <pepsi> kde classic is almost good
[05:37] <haydenTNG> www.kde-look.org
[05:37] <pepsi> ok
[05:38] <pepsi> i installed the kubuntu package a while ago and used it once.. im trying it again
[05:39] <haydenTNG> yea i used both gnome and kde on ubuntu for a while
[05:39] <haydenTNG> but atm i am running xfce on my 350mhz pII
[05:45] <closure> i run KDE on my 450
[05:51] <smouche> pepsi, try the BII window decoration style; it's as tiny and unshiny as one could wish.
[05:52] <mad> What's up with kopete? I can't connect to msn...
[05:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> can someone change the topic RE kopet?
[05:57] <haydenTNG> closure: how much ram?
[05:58] <closure> 128
[05:58] <pepsi> i think the problem is that it doesnt know my resolution or something
[05:58] <pepsi> my fonts are big
[05:58] <pepsi> i mean i have to set the UI elements to size 8.. that just doesnt seem right
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats the dbus do?
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> is it KDE specific, or system wide?
[06:07] <crimsun> system-wide
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm. ok. might be a bit carefull then
[06:15] <_simple> hmm
[06:15] <_simple> anybody here interested in coding a treeview switchbar for konversation, and already have done so?
[06:25] <jesusfish> anyone here have a deb of a fixed Kopete?
[06:27] <_simple> fixed?
[06:27] <_simple> you mean updated right
[06:27] <jesusfish> MSN doesn't work on it
[06:27] <transgress> i'm guessing he means one that doesn't crash like a bitch or one that connects to msn
[06:28] <jesusfish> sorry...shoulda been more specific
[06:28] <jesusfish> connects to MSN
[06:28] <_simple> oh
[06:28] <_simple> i read that as konversation :/
[06:28] <_simple> gaim connects to msn fine :D
[06:29] <transgress> eh jabber still connects to it
[06:29] <_simple> what i use anyway
[06:29] <_simple> so i don't have a fixed kopete
[06:29] <_simple> i never heard of psi O:
[06:29] <_simple> but getting <3's from transgress 
[06:29] <transgress> jesusfish: could try getting the source, and compiling it from that
[06:29] <_simple> must be decent
[06:29] <transgress> _simple: it's a jabber client... and i just use jabber to connect to msn when i need it.
[06:29] <_simple> oh
[06:29] <jesusfish> transgress: then I'd have to remember how to do that and install src, etc
[06:29] <_simple> i don't use jabber, or have i heard of it :/ i'm in the net closet
[06:30] <transgress> jesusfish: you can't compile source code?
[06:30] <transgress> oh dear
[06:30] <transgress> _simple: jabber.org <-- the open source IM server
[06:30] <jesusfish> transgress: well, I'd want to compile a deb
[06:30] <_simple> neat (:
[06:30] <jesusfish> transgress: I have no compiling source
[06:30] <transgress> jesusfish: apt-get install checkinstall and then instead of make install do "sudo checkinstall"
[06:30] <_simple> i wont' check it out though
[06:30] <_simple> i'm feeling lazy
[06:31] <transgress> umm... you worry me jesusfish 
[06:31] <transgress> really... perhaps a few howto's
[06:31] <jesusfish> crap
[06:31] <jesusfish> I can't speak
[06:31] <jesusfish> or type
[06:31] <jesusfish> it's late and I'm tiresd
[06:31] <transgress> or compile source
[06:31] <_simple> i wonder wtf is trying to connect on port 19206 because firestarter sure is blocking alot of them
[06:31] <jesusfish> I have no problem compiling source
[06:31] <jesusfish> I'm just lazy
[06:32] <transgress> _simple: grab the packets with ethereal
[06:32] <_simple> just apt-get etheral?
[06:32] <transgress> because it takes effort to compile source...
[06:32] <transgress> apt-get ethereal ... yes
[06:32] <transgress> then sudo ethereal
[06:32] <_simple> thanks :D
[06:32] <_simple> yeah, i'm logged in as root
[06:32] <transgress> umm
[06:32] <jesusfish> pretty much...I spend all day on a comp...when I come home I dobn't feel like doing more of that
[06:32] <_simple> no return on apt-cache search etheral
[06:32] <_simple> i mean root terminal*
[06:32] <transgress> do you do everything as root?
[06:32] <transgress> oh
[06:32] <transgress> okay
[06:33] <_simple> oh i spelt it like the chemical
[06:33] <_simple> heh
[06:34] <_simple> jesusfish: when i had kubuntu installed and used kopete it was fine connecting to msn for me
[06:34] <_simple> so idk
[06:34] <jesusfish> _simple: it just happened yesterday
[06:34] <_simple> sucky
[06:34] <jesusfish> it was working fine
[06:34] <_simple> you remove then reinstall it?
[06:34] <_simple> i'm using gaim
[06:34] <jesusfish> it's a known issue
[06:34] <_simple> oh
[06:34] <jesusfish> fixed in SVN
[06:35] <jesusfish> but I really don't feel like having to grab SVN (which I've never used) compile, etc
[06:35] <_simple> so how do i use this ethereal transgress ?
[06:35] <jesusfish> especially if someone already has done it and has a deb
[06:35] <jesusfish> it's not that I can't
[06:35] <anusaya> does kubuntu come with an open-office using KDE icons?
[06:35] <_simple> yeah
[06:36] <_simple> pain that you dont' need to go through if it has been done
[06:36] <jesusfish> zactly
[06:36] <jesusfish> so I ask
[06:36] <_simple> i don't use kubuntu or kopete so idk :D
[06:36] <_simple> plus i'm a new to linux for about four days now, another reason idk
[06:37] <jesusfish> lol...I;ve been using it for like 7 or 8 yrs or so
[06:37] <_simple> well learn me something :p
[06:37] <transgress> _simple: run it as root
[06:37] <jesusfish> yee-haw
[06:37] <_simple> i did :D
[06:37] <transgress> jesusfish: well then don't ask for msn... sorry... shit happens...
[06:38] <_simple> now what? what filter to apply
[06:38] <_simple> or something
[06:38] <transgress> don't
[06:38] <_simple> just "capture"?
[06:38] <_simple> start that
[06:38] <_simple> for the network
[06:38] <transgress> bleh... i can't walk you through this... too long... read howto... and yes do a capture
[06:38] <jesusfish> transgress: actually, Iooks like kubuntu has it fixed upstream
[06:38] <jesusfish> transgress: being a debian user I'm not used to having things fixed this quick...sweet deal
[06:39] <_simple> for sure
[06:39] <jesusfish> 'course I shoulda tried that first
[06:40] <jesusfish> I just assumed that being as it was a pretty new issue it wouldn't be upstream yet
[06:40] <transgress> wonder if this one will crash like a bitch...
[06:40] <jesusfish> well, that makes my life easier
[06:40] <jesusfish> transgress: mine was stable
[06:42] <PaloDeQueso> Does anyone have an hp laptop with an s3 twister k or just a laptop with a s3 twister k for a video card and have the glx working?
[06:42] <transgress> mine crashed frequently
[06:42] <transgress> i have never heard of an s3 twister k... 
[06:44] <PaloDeQueso> okey dokey
[06:46] <transgress> oh dear
[06:46] <transgress> this is gonna suck
[06:47] <osh> Is there a way to get java on ubuntu except for http://java.sun.com? Is it in the repos and in that case what's it called? "apt-get install java2" doesn't seem to do it.
[06:48] <crimsun> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:49] <osh> crimsun: That seems to cover it. Thanks.
[06:52] <osh> How about oggenc then? It's set as a sort of default in "Kaudiocreator" but isn't in any repos that I've found.
[06:54] <crimsun> vorbis-tools
[06:55] <osh> damn crimsun. How'd you find all these things so fast... ;-)
[07:17] <transgress> bad idea: getting stoned _before_ calling your boss...
[07:43] <rexykik> hey guys, need some helpo
[07:43] <rexykik> I just installed Kubuntu and some of my packages are corrupted...the Kcontrol package, which obviously holds a good deal of weight under KDE, seeing as many things have dependencies on it. I want to fix it, but apt-get isnt working, so I was told I need to delete all the partials from my partial directory and then apt-get update apt-get install...which directory is the partials directory?
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> its in /var/cache/apt
[07:48] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /var/cache/apt/partials/
[07:48] <rexykik> thanks
[07:48] <rexykik> lots
[07:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> you will need to be root
[07:49] <rexykik> its actually /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
[07:49] <rexykik> but thanks sttill
[07:49] <rexykik> still
[07:49] <rexykik> ...what is the command to delete something?
[07:49] <rexykik> just del?
[07:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> rm
[07:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/*
[07:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry, forgot the archives bit :\
[07:50] <rexykik> its all good
[07:50] <rexykik> you've more than helped
[07:51] <rexykik> rm: cannot remove `/var/cache/apt/archives/partial/*': No such file or directory hmmm
[07:52] <rexykik> i know the directory exists, just no files
[07:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> to make sure you get it right, type /var/cache/apt/a<tab>/p<tab>
[07:53] <rexykik> nah...shows no files there
[07:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, good i suppose?
[07:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> so try apt-get update again, remember sudo
[07:55] <rexykik> you'd think so...yeah, i did...says i should do an apt-get -f install because other files have dependencies that arent being met
[07:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> and what happens when yourun that?
[07:55] <rexykik> about to
[07:56] <rexykik> Reading database ... 56138 files and directories currently installed.)
[07:56] <rexykik> Unpacking amarok (from .../amarok_2%3a1.2.3-1ubuntu4_i386.deb) ...
[07:56] <rexykik> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/amarok_2%3a1.2.3-1ubuntu4_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:56] <rexykik>  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success
[07:56] <rexykik> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[07:56] <rexykik> Unpacking kcontrol (from .../kcontrol_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu18_i386.deb) ...
[07:56] <rexykik> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu18_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:56] <rexykik>  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success
[07:56] <rexykik> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[07:56] <rexykik> Unpacking korganizer (from .../korganizer_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu10_i386.deb) ...
[07:56] <rexykik> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/korganizer_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu10_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:57] <rexykik>  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success
[07:57] <rexykik> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[07:57] <rexykik> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:57] <rexykik>  /var/cache/apt/archives/amarok_2%3a1.2.3-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[07:57] <rexykik>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu18_i386.deb
[07:57] <rexykik>  /var/cache/apt/archives/korganizer_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu10_
[07:57] <rexykik> sorry for the flood
[07:57] <rexykik> my corrupted tars
[07:57] <rexykik> i installed once previously, which is how i know of the problem before having executing it
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> try with the "-d" switch. iirc thats skip check. 
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> try apt-get --help to make sure
[07:58] <rexykik> thats download only
[07:59] <rexykik> -f is Attempt to continue if the integrity check fails
[07:59] <rexykik> got any ideas?
[07:59] <moist> trying to get midi working on kubuntu whats the module named for midi?? is it snd-seq?? 
[08:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont know moise. 
[08:00] <rexykik> just a sec moist
[08:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> rexykik if you used -f and its spitting the dummy i cant realy help :(
[08:01] <rexykik> kmid, libsdl-mixer1.2 and libsdl-mixer 1.2-dev
[08:03] <rexykik> guess i'll either try installing from a diff cd or diff distro
[08:04] <moist> cool great thanks rexykik
[08:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> pull it off hte net
[08:05] <rexykik> what do you mean?
[08:05] <rexykik> dl an iso?
[08:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> use the internet repositreis, not the cd
[08:05] <rexykik> hmmn...i'll have to look on how to do that
[08:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> 223 lines :P
[08:06] <rexykik> you know what the kubutu website is?
[08:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> kubuntu.org
[08:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://kubuntu.org
[08:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> you need to know where the sources list is?
[08:07] <rexykik> i dont know how to install off the internet
[08:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> you change a few lines in this file, update your list and apt-get like before
[08:07] <rexykik> update my list?
[08:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get update
[08:08] <rexykik> ah
[08:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> the file is /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:08] <rexykik> guess i gotta find that file...i'm pretty sure i have been doing that off the internet, as my cd isnt in the drive...just getting that error
[08:08] <rexykik> will it do a full install?
[08:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[08:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> i downloaded my system direct
[08:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, i dist-upgreaded
[08:09] <rexykik> right
[08:09] <moist> rexykik: are they modules to modprobe??
[08:09] <rexykik> know what lines to change
[08:09] <rexykik> iunno moist, you'll have to look in further than that
[08:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> comment out (#) the cd drive if its not
[08:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> and un comment # deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[08:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> or blah.archive. wherever you are
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> htats the key one. if you want more uncoment them
[08:11] <rexykik> so all i have to do is that?
[08:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> then apt-get update
[08:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> (save the file of course)
[08:12] <rexykik> i dont have a # deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted comment
[08:13] <rexykik> you mean us rather than au?
[08:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> for me its au, for you it might be us
[08:14] <rexykik> ah...an aussie?
[08:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[08:14] <rexykik> neeto
[08:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[08:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> rexykik, join #flood for a minute
[08:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> depending if you want the security updates etc.
[08:23] <rexykik> nope
[08:23] <rexykik> edsuom: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc
[08:23] <rexykik> ess using it?
[08:23] <rexykik> which there isnt
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you have synaptic/kynaptic/another pat running?
[08:24] <rexykik> i guess i do, then
[08:24] <rexykik> go back to flood
[08:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.
[09:04] <moist> why can I get sound plaayback but not midi??
[09:48] <apsuva> how to install superkaramba
[09:48] <apsuva> ?
[09:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> what is it?
[09:48] <apsuva> http://netdragon.sourceforge.net/
[09:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> dl, extract to folder, open a terminal, sudo ./configure
[09:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> ./make install
[09:51] <_jesse> hey everyone!
[09:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[09:53] <_jesse> I'm not sure if I might be barking up the wrong tree but I'm trying to figure out a problem I've been having.
[09:54] <_jesse> I get a lot of crashing in Kubuntu.  Mainly Konqueror and Kaffeine.  If there any workaround for that?
[09:54] <buz> kaffeine is known to be broken
[09:55] <buz> konqueror works for me
[09:55] <_jesse> I get a lot of crashing while bringing up the "Home Folder".
[09:56] <_jesse> I've just searched around on forums and there has been other people that've been having the same issue.  It's wierd.  sometimes it'll do it and other times it won't
[09:58] <_jesse> Love the distro though.  Just wish it would work.  hehe
[10:04] <Razor-X> what a rush
[10:04] <Razor-X> it seems I'm even better in FPS games with a trackball
[10:33] <buz> is icq support in the newest kopete broken?
[10:33] <buz> or is really NOBODY on my contact list online (hard to believe)
[10:39] <CellarDoor> This is from the KDE site's Kopete section: A change was made to the MSN servers a few days ago which prompted Kopete to display "wrong password" errors when attempting to connect to the MSN service. The problem has been fixed and you will need to recompile Kopete from KDE's subversion repository to get the fix. The fix will be in KDE 3.4.1 which is due out in 3 weeks.
[10:39] <buz> that i know
[10:39] <buz> but icq behaves weirdly since the update from the repo last night
[10:40] <CellarDoor> dunno about that one
[10:40] <CellarDoor> can I just update kopete from a repo instead of mucking about with recompiling ?
[10:40] <buz> try it
[10:40] <buz> i got something last night
[10:40] <uniq> my icq behaves.. 
[10:40] <buz> tho i refuse to use msn
[10:41] <buz> uniq: when did you last upgrade kopete?
[10:41] <uniq> cellardoor: yes. 
[10:41] <CellarDoor> ooer very good then :D
[10:41] <uniq> buz: yesterday from riddells new kdenetwork package.
[10:41] <uniq> cellardoor: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10993
[10:41] <buz> mhh weird
[10:41] <buz> maybe theres really nobody online
[10:41] <buz> which is kinda weird considering some people have their machine running 24/7
[10:42] <CellarDoor> thankies uniq
[10:42] <uniq> i've been connected since yesterday at 22:30.. ~12 hours.
[10:42] <buz> i can connect
[10:42] <buz> it just dont see anyone online
[10:42] <CellarDoor> maybe everyones offline ? :P
[10:43] <buz> as i say, many have their machines running 24/7
[10:43] <uniq> buz: try to add me the. 100328380
[10:43] <uniq> the./then.
[10:43] <_jesse> Just curious.  Do most people install Ubuntu and then download/install Kubuntu?  I've read that it's supposed to help solve the instability issues that I've been having.  Just curious if I should give it a try.
[10:43] <buz> ah now something happened
[10:44] <buz> maybe there truly wasnt anyone online
[10:44] <CellarDoor> nothing but Kubuntu herer
[10:44] <CellarDoor> *here
[10:44] <buz> i'm supposed to be learning anyway
[10:44] <_jesse> and have u had any Konqueror issues?  Crashes etc?
[10:45] <buz> no
[10:46] <Hussam> Hi, I need help, I'm with a wrong clock. because at shutdown, the system fails to synchronize with hardware clock. I can't find /sbin/hwclock
[10:46] <buz> but i dont actually use konqueror besides as a filemanager
[10:46] <_jesse> nor do I
[10:46] <Hussam> how do I reinstall /sbin/hwclock ?
[10:46] <CellarDoor> I have had Konqureror issues
[10:46] <_jesse> any ideas to work around them by chance? :)
[10:47] <CellarDoor> I believe there is a fix
[10:47] <CellarDoor> but last update made my system cactus so I'm not willing to update, just gonna wait till breezy comes out
[10:47] <_jesse> Isn't that in like October?
[10:48] <buz> i just reinstalled hoary last night
[10:49] <CellarDoor> dunno
[10:50] <_jesse> I've heard that may slip too in order to meet the desire to have KDE 3.5 included.  But that all depends on timing I guess.
[10:51] <buz> supposedly kde 3.4.1 will be released for hoary once its available
[10:51] <CellarDoor> there aint gonna be no KDE 3.5 as far as I know
[10:51] <buz> 3.5 will be a bastard. it will feature updates to apps but no real changes in kde itself i think
[10:51] <_jesse> sorry...  I meant 3.4.1
[10:51] <buz> hey maybe they'll even release krita ;)
[10:51] <buz> its gotten quite useable
[10:52] <_jesse> have u tried ksayit?
[10:52] <buz> whats it for
[10:52] <CellarDoor> I think theyre beavering away on KDE 4 whitch will use new features in X for new graphicy niceness
[10:52] <buz> mhh the wobbly windows in gnome sure look tasty
[10:53] <_jesse> It's supposed to be a test to speech thing. 
[10:53] <buz> ah
[10:53] <buz> text to speech is kinda useless if you ask m
[10:53] <_jesse> Crashes on start in Kubuntu though.  doh!
[10:53] <CellarDoor> eew
[10:54] <_jesse> True.  But text to speech os really fun to play with..
[10:56] <_jesse> MainActor seems really stable on Kubuntu.  I'm glad to see that.
[11:05] <mrmanic> anybody running kde svn on kubuntu?
[11:19] <morten> Aloha
[11:20] <morten> I\m having problems with my harddisk... when i boot up it writes: Timeout wating for DMA.... and Drive not ready for command.... 
[11:20] <morten> Anyone of you ever tried that / and then it also makes a strange sound
[11:25] <amu> morten: your have a ide system ?
[11:25] <morten> I think.. have a Dell Inspiron 8600
[11:25] <amu> that's an laptop?
[11:25] <morten> yup
[11:26] <amu> you run the liveCD or a installed system? 
[11:26] <morten> LiveCD now..
[11:26] <morten> wont boot else
[11:27] <amu> try a bootparameter at bootprompt: live ide=nodma 
[11:27] <morten> well... to me it sounds like that might be an fault...
[11:27] <morten> on the harddisk... kinda strange.. cause I\ve been seeing this problem for sometime... 
[11:28] <morten> like, I booted the computer up this morning, and there were no problem... but when I came home from work, it was there.. and the comp was @dead@... so i turned it off.. when when i started it again, it woulden\t start
[11:30] <amu> ..ooOO that explains more
[11:31] <morten> ahh well, just send an mail to Michael...
[11:31] <buz> can you access the hd from the livecd?
[11:31] <morten> ... Michael Dell that is >)
[11:31] <buz> i think dell makes rather shitty hardware
[11:32] <morten> How do i do that ??? I can only see @ramdisk@
[11:32] <morten> ther goes.. 2 sec
[11:32] <morten> who
[11:33] <morten> ops (old mud habbit >P )
[11:33] <amu> buz: hehe, DELL isnt the best hardwaredealer, right :)  
[11:33] <buz> i cant understand why a friend of mine insist on buying power edge when he could get ibm servers for the same money
[11:33] <buz> i mean dell servers have gone up in smoke.
[11:33] <morten> Seems like i cant open the harddisk
[11:33] <buz> WTF wants crap like that
[11:34] <morten> shh, I have been VERY pleased with my Dell lappie.... untill today >P
[11:34] <morten> But if i could choose a new lappie, I would go for a samm 12inch IBM og Dell ...
[11:35] <buz> mhh the x40 sadly hasnt got a really nice screen
[11:35] <buz> otherwise its a nice piece of kit
[11:35] <morten> Or maybe i should buy a Ibook.. they are cheap aswell
[11:35] <buz> if it had a 1200*800 screen
[11:35] <buz> the screens on the ibooks are REALLY cheap
[11:36] <buz> and the batteries catch fire lol
[11:36] <amu> hehe
[11:36] <buz> reminds me, i need to fill out the form for two ibooks to get new ones
[11:37] <buz> no their not
[11:37] <buz> airport express hasnt got linux drivers
[11:38] <buz> and they are heavy compared to truly light 12" notebooks
[11:38] <morten> I\ll turn the comp off and start reading for my exams on monday >P
[11:38] <amu> correct, that's the only handicap, for 15Euro you get a usb wireless, thats fine with me
[11:39] <morten> yeah, well, the really light 12 inch dont have any CD-drive... wich sucks
[11:39] <morten> then I would rather go with a little heavier one
[11:39] <amu> err the ibook 12" has a CD it has no pcmcia 
[11:40] <buz> i'd rather have pcmcia than cd
[11:40] <buz> i don't need cd on the road
[12:07] <BobiTrobi> Hi
[02:03] <othernoob> what does "setting sensors limits" mean during booting ? 
[02:06] <bdmp> can someone tell me where program files are stored.  Pretty  please
[02:17] <Firetech> othernoob: it's probably sensord, which has to do with temperature sensors on the motherboard.. if that operation fails, ust remove it with synaptic.
[02:17] <Firetech> *just
[02:18] <Firetech> or kynaptic or kpackage, etc.
[02:23] <othernoob> i just did sudo sensors-detect and think i set it up, gonna test it now :)
[02:25] <Riddell> bdmp: which files?
[02:28] <othernoob> ok, works now :)
[02:31] <bdmp> Riddell: found them. I got another question though. 
[02:32] <bdmp> I am trying to add a plugin that will make japanese text larger. I am following a faq.  It says " Go into your gaim/plugins dir in your extrated gaim source. Save unicode.c into that dir, make sure you have a ~/.gaim/plugins dir and then do $make unicode.so
[02:32] <bdmp>  $cp unicode.so ~/.gaim/plugins/" But I get "make: *** No rule to make target `unicode.so'.  Stop.
[02:32] <bdmp>  " after the first command.  What rule do I need?
[02:39] <theD3viL> hi :)
[02:49] <Firetech> bdmp: ~/.gaim/plugins is probably (I don't use gaim) for installed plugins. You need the source code for gaim.
[02:53] <bdmp> Thanks firetech
[02:53] <theD3viL> bdmp, where in gaim you can set bigger fonts ?
[02:58] <bdmp> theD3vil
[02:59] <bdmp> you gotta change the font of gtk
[03:00] <theD3viL> gtk fonts? where is this ? :P
[03:00] <theD3viL> you mean of the whole system??
[03:02] <bdmp> http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q17
[03:02] <bdmp> yup
[03:02] <bdmp> that is the only way to do it
[03:03] <bdmp> I use japanese and they just look like blobs
[03:03] <bdmp> Can someone help me with a Kaffeine problem?
[03:03] <theD3viL> what is your Kaffeine problem?
[03:04] <bdmp> check this out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35730
[03:05] <bdmp> maybe kopete would be better. I have never used it though.  looks nice
[03:23] <bdmp> Kopete keeps telling me my msn account password is wrong. any suggestions?
[03:24] <amu> see the topic 
[03:31] <whoiam55> bsmp, MSN and yahoo keep changing their protocall to make 3rd party client out. try to update it or use gaim instead
[03:32] <whoiam55> bdmp
[03:33] <amu> ... or use jabber :)
[03:34] <whoiam55> amu, where jabber some in the talk with MSN ?
[03:34] <Firetech> bdmp: it works with the kopete version found in hoary-updates
[03:37] <Firetech> just remove the #'s before the lines containing hoary-updates in /etc/apt/sources.list, save that file, run "sudo apt-get update &&sudo apt-get upgrade" to upgrade all of your packages.
[03:38] <Firetech> not all, but the ones that are able to upgrade
[03:43] <othernoob> is there a wallpaper that features all the logos of the diff. distributions ?
[03:43] <whoiam55> othernoob why don't you make one ?
[03:44] <othernoob> whoiam55: because my talent is just good enough for stickmen :/
[03:44] <Riddell> Firetech, bdmp: don't think it's in hoary-updates yet, you need the deb source in the /topic
[03:44] <whoiam55> lol
[03:44] <Firetech> Riddell: it IS in the hoary-updates
[03:44] <Firetech> i got it from there yesterday evening
[03:44] <Firetech> and it works fine for me now
[03:45] <bdmp> Thanks yall
[03:45] <Riddell> well well, so it is
[03:45] <bdmp> I thought it was something to do with kwallet
[03:45] <bdmp> cuz i rejected it and it was mad about it or something
[03:45] <bdmp> silly kwallet
[03:46] <Firetech> the hoary-updates version has the same version number as the one in  the topic atleast...
[03:46] <Riddell> I probably should have changed the version number to 2.2
[03:46] <bdmp> i did apt-get update kopete but it says I need an argument? whats the right command?
[03:47] <Firetech> bdmp: apt-get install kopete to upgrade it
[03:47] <Firetech> update is to update the package database list.
[03:47] <bdmp> ok
[03:47] <bdmp> thanks 
[03:48] <Firetech> Riddell: Aren't they the same versions then?
[03:48] <bdmp> I am new at this so i always look like an idiot
[03:49] <Firetech> bdmp: everybody is new in the beginning, there are always lookalike-idiots ;)
[03:49] <Riddell> Firetech: yes, there's no changes
[03:49] <bdmp> sometimes its embaressing though
[03:51] <bdmp> the funny thing is that I know more about comps than most people I know, but when i get in this room I look like a little kid.
[03:51] <Firetech> Riddell: I meant the one in the topic and the one in hoary-updates which became available somewhere between 19:30 and 22:00 CEST yesterday
[03:51] <Firetech> bdmp: I was the same when I started using Linux.
[03:57] <othernoob> Firetech: how long have you been using linux ?
[03:58] <Firetech> For fun: since 2002 or something. Main OS: since easter this year.
[03:59] <Firetech> My windows broke down in the installing process (It won't boot anymore, and no, it's not the mbr), so I merged to linux-only pretty quickly ;)
[03:59] <othernoob> lol
[03:59] <javi> hi! how can I remove kde from ubuntu ?
[04:00] <othernoob> sudo apt-get remove kde  or via synaptic i think
[04:00] <Firetech> I use VMware for som pretty critical software, though... School Work with Director 8 and Flash for example...
[04:00] <bdmp> i wanted to use linux and i installed mandrake and debian like 6 time bu t I could never do what i wanted to easily so i always reinstalled windows. This distro is much easier thatn all the other ones I have used
[04:00] <Firetech> javi: it's pretty hard
[04:01] <bdmp> javi: apt-get uninstall kubuntu-desktop
[04:01] <Firetech> that isn't enough
[04:01] <othernoob> Firetech: had a similar experience with windows 2 months ago..
[04:02] <Firetech> kubuntu-desktop is a meta package, I doesn't contain anything (kind of), it only depends on the kubuntu-packages.
[04:02] <bdmp> oh
[04:02] <Firetech> kubuntu-packages is NOT a package name.
[04:02] <Firetech> :P
[04:03] <bdmp> I am in. thanks ya'll
[04:04] <Firetech> one way to do it, which is NOT recommended, is to remove kdelibs4, and then reinstall any kde-software you want. This might (and very probably will) break stuff, though.
[04:04] <bdmp> ha
[04:04] <bdmp> don't do it. here's how you do it.
[04:05] <Firetech> I did this once... The next time I installed kubuntu, all of the kubuntu-defaults were gone...
[04:05] <Firetech> I think it works now, though ;)
[04:05] <Firetech> my kubuntu, that is.
[04:06] <javi> ok, I remove libqt3c-mt
[04:07] <javi> and kde aplications will be removed
[04:07] <Firetech> that isn't recommended, but if you're desperate.
[04:13] <bdmp> I got another problem its not really serious though. I followed this faq to install japanese http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/scim/ and I got an error. I don't remember what it was but now there are 3 annoying things that happen.  1. some script to make the IME start up when the comp starts went wrong and now I get a dialog asking what program to open a file with when ever the comp starts.  2. there are two applets for the IME in the toolbar. 3. It d
[04:13] <bdmp> oesn't automatically load japanese. I have to select it every time.  Any suggestions would be appriciated.
[04:14] <bdmp> I can type japanese fine though so that is good.  The other things are really asthetic.
[04:15] <pussfeller> bdmp, i have always wondered, how do you type japanese on a keyboard
[04:17] <bdmp> you type in Japanese phonetics but in "roma-ji" roman charecters. That outputs hiragana (like a japanese alphabet) and then you hit the space bar to select the kanji (chinese charecters) that have that phonetic structure.
[04:17] <bdmp> so
[04:18] <bdmp>  kaku
[04:18] <bdmp> romanji
[04:18] <bdmp> 
[04:18] <bdmp> hiragana
[04:18] <bdmp> 
[04:18] <bdmp> kanji
[04:21] <bdmp> pussfeller: do you follow?
[04:22] <smouche> bdmp, just curious- do you also use Windows, and which do you find easier for inputting CJK characters?
[04:22] <bdmp> it is identical
[04:22] <bdmp> there is really only one way that you can do it so
[04:23] <bdmp> the best way is on a pocket pc
[04:23] <smouche> really?
[04:23] <bdmp> cuz you can write them
[04:23] <smouche> ah yes!
[04:23] <smouche> is there good character recognition?
[04:23] <bdmp> zaurus and stuff do it too but i got a ppc for free so
[04:23] <bdmp> yeah
[04:24] <bdmp> but i got an english one 
[04:24] <bdmp> i had to do some magic to install the japanese rom
[04:24] <bdmp> there is a function that blocks it
[04:24] <pussfeller> bdmp, that sounds real complex
[04:24] <bdmp> that to this day is the most a amazing thing i have done with a comp
[04:25] <bdmp> not a complex as linux
[04:25] <bdmp> you all would be fine 
[04:25] <pussfeller> linux isnt so complex once you mess with it for awhile
[04:25] <smouche> I can't even get linux to let me conveniently enter common european accent marks, but mainly because I'm clueless
[04:26] <smouche> the dead key layouts need some work in linux.
[04:26] <bdmp> maybe japanese is harder. the more you know the harder it gets
[04:26] <bdmp> if you right click on the tool bar you can add an applet that lets you put in thoes accents
[04:26] <smouche> all I can say in japanese is (head smack) "baka na amerikajin!"
[04:26] <bdmp> korean is really cool though 
[04:27] <bdmp> much more simple and really logical
[04:27] <bdmp> identical grammer to japanese
[04:27] <smouche> bdmp, I know, but those applets aren't very convenient for fast typing.
[04:27] <othernoob> how do i set the JRE so that opera8 recognizes it?
[04:27] <pussfeller> you can map your own keys but ill be damned if i can tell you how
[04:28] <smouche> my "us-intl" layout is functional, but not as convenient as the one for windows
[04:28] <pussfeller> even tho I have done it
[04:28] <bdmp> really
[04:28] <pussfeller> i had to edit a bunch of x-whatever files in /etc/X11
[04:28] <smouche> yes, bdmp, korean is a very writing system
[04:28] <bdmp> othernoob what do you mean JRE?
[04:28] <smouche> oops, very cool I meant
[04:28] <othernoob> java runtime environment =jre
[04:28] <bdmp> oh
[04:29] <pussfeller> to get my multimedia keys working and then I just loaded the edited profile into khotkeys or whatever and mapped it from there
[04:29] <pussfeller> that might be a little different than what you want tho
[04:29] <othernoob> i can find tuts for firefox but i dont remember if i used one like that in fc3 or if i had to do something else
[04:29] <smouche> yeah, pussfeller, I need to tackle those files again sometime
[04:30] <pussfeller> i like korean and japanese tv shows... you can let your kids watch them... unlike american tv
[04:30] <othernoob> pussfeller: have you watched "doggy poo" yet ? ;)
[04:30] <pussfeller> yeah, we watched that
[04:30] <smouche> pussfeller, just watch out for a lot of the anime stuff.
[04:30] <pussfeller> heh
[04:30] <bdmp> no
[04:30] <pussfeller> that was actually pretty good
[04:31] <bdmp> doggy poo. ha
[04:31] <pussfeller> smouche, i let them watch anime but no ecchi or hentai
[04:31] <othernoob> pussfeller: i found doggy poo was funny but a bit too short
[04:31] <bdmp> I am reading dragon ball (not Z) and it is all boob jokes
[04:31] <smouche> even the milder stuff can be pretty rough, by us standards anyway.
[04:32] <bdmp> and it is like the most popular kids manga here
[04:32] <pussfeller> i dont mind the occasional tit splash, but nothing that just revolves around being smutty
[04:32] <bdmp> the main charecter gets found in the wild by this girl
[04:33] <bdmp> they go on an adventure. 
[04:33] <bdmp> the kid has only lived with his uncle. who is now gone.
[04:33] <pussfeller> i saw a uncensored dragonball gt with booma and goku i think and he was naked thru the entire thing
[04:33] <smouche> I find it very hard to tell what exactly the japanese intend for kids, and what not, when it comes to manga
[04:33] <smouche> the adult stuff seems to feature kids, and the kid stuff seems very adult
[04:34] <pussfeller> smouche, over there, everyone reads manga, young and old
[04:34] <smouche> I was watching "Ghost in the Shell" the other night; beautiful flick
[04:34] <pussfeller> not like in the us where comics are for kids
[04:35] <smouche> you know who I envy?  The French with their bd's (bandes dessinees)
[04:35] <pussfeller> what are those?
[04:35] <othernoob> what are bd's ?
[04:35] <bdmp> he sees the girl and says that he wants to rest his head on her balls like he did with his uncle.  So he tries and notices she has no balls so he takes off her underwear and screams cuz she has no balls. she wakes up and smacks him.
[04:35] <smouche> comics/graphic novels, pussfeller
[04:35] <bdmp> every joke in the book is like that
[04:36] <smouche> as in Japan, much more popular among adults than comics here
[04:36] <pussfeller> like heavy metal type comics?
[04:36] <smouche> bdmp, that's a kids manga??
[04:36] <pussfeller> they used to get alot of their stuff from france I think
[04:36] <bdmp> eyah
[04:36] <pussfeller> alot of the writers where
[04:36] <pussfeller> were
[04:37] <pussfeller> you guys ever read gantz or berserk? now, those mangas ROX
[04:37] <smouche> yeah, pussfeller, Heavy Metal is taken from the french metal hurlant, I think it's called
[04:37] <pussfeller> not for kids tho
[04:37] <transgress> amu: the one that is in the forums?
[04:38] <buz> where can we get it
[04:38] <pussfeller> i used to read that when i was a kid
[04:38] <amu> nope ... http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-updates/kaffeine/kaffeine_0.6-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
[04:38] <bdmp> I don't know it.
[04:38] <pussfeller> heavy metal, national lamppn
[04:38] <transgress> yeah i guess i can run that
[04:38] <smouche> me, I'm partial to Tin Tin and Asterix (Tin Tan originates in Belgium, I think)
[04:38] <bdmp> I love asterix
[04:39] <bdmp> My Kaffeine is messed
[04:39] <bdmp> should I download that?
[04:39] <transgress> you can try it
[04:39] <amu> bdmp: please try it 
[04:39] <bdmp> ok
[04:39] <bdmp> what commad do i run to install it
[04:40] <bdmp> im new here
[04:40] <transgress> sudo dpkg -i
[04:40] <bdmp> ok
[04:40] <bdmp>  thanks
[04:40] <buz> mhh it cant find the xine libs
[04:40] <buz> weird
[04:41] <iRonYk> does anyone know, why i cannot connect to official kubuntu repositories with apt?
[04:41] <amu> buz: ? 
[04:42] <transgress> so far amu that package seems to run fine
[04:42] <buz> mhh it complains about not being able to play stuff
[04:42] <othernoob> iRonYK: did you uncomment your /etc/apt/sources.list and added universe and multiverse ?
[04:42] <buz> maybe my xine install isnt quite right
[04:42] <iRonYk> yes, i did, and the status shows 99% for quite a while apt-get updating, but does not connect
[04:43] <bdmp> what was the error that everyone was getting with kaffeine?
[04:43] <buz> xine: couldn't find demux for >http://shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8107&file=filename.pls<
[04:43] <buz> xine: found input plugin : http input plugin
[04:44] <buz> thats what kaffeine says weird
[04:44] <othernoob> mmh. maybe server load to high at the moment
[04:44] <amu> transgress: did you tried also connect to a streaming server ?  
[04:45] <buz> mhh videos work
[04:45] <iRonYk> possibly, internet connection is working just fine, unofficial repositories sync, but not the official :(
[04:45] <buz> but streaming doesnt really
[04:45] <amu> bdmp: sometimes kaffeine crashes, if you listen to an stream
[04:45] <bdmp> mine is much worse than that and the package didn't do anything
[04:45] <transgress> amu: yeah so far that's all i've connected to
[04:45] <bdmp> it wont start
[04:45] <transgress> it's running about the same as the fixed package i was running prior
[04:46] <bdmp> this is what mine does http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35730
[04:46] <amu> transgress: which stream you listen? 
[04:47] <transgress> i was watching a video stream off of apple trailers...
[04:47] <amu> bdmp: buz can you try this also ? 
[04:47] <bdmp> try what?
[04:47] <transgress> what are they having problems with
[04:47] <amu> 16:47 < transgress> i was watching a video stream off of apple trailers...
[04:48] <transgress> give me an audio stream to try
[04:50] <bdmp> amu: what do yo want me to try?
[04:50] <vicks> can anyone what will happen with application-updates for those still on hoary when breezy comes out?
[04:50] <amu> bdmp: please try a video-stream than a audio-stream
[04:51] <bdmp> mine won't even start. It freezes when loading
[04:51] <bdmp> I was using kaffeine with no problems. I happend apon a faq that had a fix for a buggy kaffeine that was in the install. I thought it couldn't hurt so I installed it. After that there were no problems, but then one day (after the time that I installed Realplayer. Might be related. So now, If I click on a video or audio file I get the error:
[04:51] <bdmp> "Sorry-Konqueror: KDEInit can not launch '/media/sda1/blahblah.avi' "
[04:51] <bdmp> So then I right click on it and open it with Kaffeine and up pops a dialog that says,"Kaffeine Player: 1/1" it just sits there and teh bouncing icon bounces and the applet shows up in the tool bar and then it does nothing till I try to close it and it a dialog pops up and it says "kaffeine not responding........"
[04:51] <bdmp> What can I do to fix this? 
[04:52] <amu> bdmp: probalby it comes cause you didnt install the divx codex? 
[04:53] <amu> rename the avi to blahblah.mpeg and try again 
[04:53] <transgress> http://hem.bredband.net/b222680/leeroy.wmv
[04:53] <bdmp> it happens with mp3 too and it wasn't happening before
[04:54] <bdmp> the .avi file is fake.  It is an example.  It happens with any file.  even if i just try to start i t without a file
[04:54] <transgress> leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrroooooooooooooooyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy JEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNKKKKKKKKKKIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNSSSSSSSS
[04:54] <bdmp> ha
[04:54] <bdmp> thats how I feel too
[04:55] <bdmp> its like japanese manga. Shazaaaaaaaaaaaamm!
[04:55] <transgress> is there a way to turn the amount that buffers down
[04:56] <bdmp> Maybe its not the player maybe its just a noise band
[04:56] <amu> bdmp: could you check your xine-engine settings ? 
[04:57] <bdmp> how do i do that?
[04:57] <bdmp> xine is fine
[04:58] <amu> start kaffeine; in menu, Settings, Xine Engine Parameters
[04:58] <bdmp> it won't start
[04:58] <amu> there are 2 possibilities, arts and oss 
[04:58] <bdmp> ahh
[04:59] <transgress> shower time
[04:59] <amu> if you run kaffeine on top of gnome, esd :)
[04:59] <transgress> bbiab
[04:59] <bdmp> i did that
[04:59] <bdmp> about the time the problems started
[04:59] <amu> bdmp: you run kaffeine on top of gnome? 
[04:59] <bdmp> yeah
[05:00] <bdmp> am i not suppiosed to?
[05:00] <transgress> so amu hows about a fixed konq package?
[05:00] <bdmp> what is konq?
[05:00] <transgress> konqueror
[05:00] <amu> there's no problem, your xine-settings should be "esd" 
[05:00] <bdmp> what does that mean?
[05:02] <bdmp> I am running kde now and it stll doesn't work, actually I think the problems started under kde
[05:03] <amu> kaffeine runs together with gnome sound-daemon
[05:03] <vicks> why won't the updated kopete show up in my synaptic?
[05:03] <bdmp> in gnome right? would that effect usage in kde?
[05:04] <amu> bdmp: another test rename your kaffeinerc file into kaffeinerc.old and restart kaffeine, located in .kde in your homedir 
[05:04] <amu> bdmp: right, gnome use esd, kde arts
[05:04] <amu> if your sys runs no sound-daemon, oss can be used
[05:06] <amu> bdmp: if you run gnome/esd and you setuped kaffeine for alsa, that will never work 
[05:07] <amu> same you run kde, setuped for esd :)
[05:08] <usual> I just did a fresh install of kubuntu, and I did a dist upgrade right after to get the latest packages and updates and theres a broken package. I've never seen that happened on a stable release like that. Can anyone tell me what to do to fix it
[05:09] <usual> oh, is that the script in topic
[05:10] <usual> ok, nevermind then
[05:10] <usual> still weird though
[05:11] <kimo> I am installing kubuntu tomorrow, what is this script thing!
[05:12] <usual> after the install if you run apt-get dist-upgrade to get uptodate, some stuff is broken
[05:13] <usual> that script just fixes it
[05:13] <usual> basically a package seems to want to overwrite files that are also in another package so it stops with an error
[05:16] <Firetech> If I want to start ESD on boot, where should I do it? init.d or
[05:16] <usual> it seems like more of an isolated issue
[05:16] <Firetech> ?
[05:16] <kimo> is kubuntu updated eveb between the 6 months release cycle ?
[05:16] <usual> for security reasons I think is all
[05:17] <kimo> ahh thnx
[05:17] <kimo> usual, how do u like kubuntu
[05:17] <usual> I love it. ubuntu is general is honeslty the best desktop linux solution out there right now.
[05:17] <usual> imho
[05:17] <kimo> awesome, what other flavours did u right
[05:18] <usual> I've used debian for a longggg time and tried prolly every dist under the sun over the years
[05:18] <usual> well, every one has their strengths
[05:19] <usual> linux is basically linux, all that seems to change from dist t dist is the apckage managment, included software and the installer....and with some dists custom tools
[05:19] <usual> and you only do the install once(hopefuly)
[05:19] <usual> so thats not as big of a deal as people make out of it
[05:20] <usual> a dist may be a bitch to install but be a pleasure to manage and work with afterwards
[05:20] <buz> yeah but some can be updated whereas others usually just break
[05:20] <usual> some are dead set against updating or being up to date
[05:21] <usual> and some live on the edge
[05:21] <kimo> does kubuntu have gui conf tools
[05:21] <buz> rpm is a pain for one
[05:21] <usual> I can't stand rpm
[05:21] <buz> kimo: aside of kcontrol not
[05:21] <usual> knyaptic
[05:21] <kimo> I can manage, but so much for user friendlyness
[05:22] <usual> kimo: there are tons of KDE front ends to all types of conf tools
[05:22] <kimo> names?
[05:22] <usual> even if kubuntu doesn't include them you can get them
[05:22] <usual> theres too many
[05:22] <usual> check out apps.kde.org or something
[05:22] <kimo> i will!
[05:24] <bdmp> Amu: sorry I steped out. I'll try that now
[05:26] <bdmp> Amu: I have 2 .kde folders
[05:26] <amu> amu@ppc:~/.kde$ find . -name kaffeinerc
[05:26] <amu> ./share/config/kaffeinerc
[05:28] <bdmp> which .kde file do I do it in? they seem to be identical
[05:29] <amu>  /home/$USER/.kde/
[05:30] <amu> try a cd /home/$USER/.kde/
[05:31] <mikl> are any of you guys able to log on to MSN Messenger with Kopete?
[05:31] <bdmp> I get a program but its face is nothing. no buttons notheing
[05:31] <bdmp> update kopete
[05:31] <Riddell> mikl: you need kopete from hoary-updates
[05:31] <bdmp> msn is tying to block 3 party programs
[05:31] <mikl> Riddell: even if I am on breezy?
[05:31] <Riddell> mikl: ah, no fix for breezy yet
[05:31] <mikl> oh :(
[05:32] <smouche-lunch> is that kopete/msn problem something that broke in recent updates, or was it always broken?
[05:32] <bdmp> always i think
[05:32] <mikl> smouche-lunch: Microsoft has a bad habit of trying to block 3rd-party clients 
[05:33] <smouche-lunch> ah yes, mikl, good point
[05:33] <bdmp> the install i used was pretty old
[05:33] <hussam> is there anyway to test if a package.deb has dependancy issue without installing it?
[05:33] <bdmp> knyaptic
[05:34] <bdmp> oh issue
[05:34] <smouche-lunch> or kpackage
[05:34] <hussam> it's a downloaded deb from a different source
[05:34] <bdmp> oh
[05:34] <hussam> so it's not avialable in synaptic
[05:34] <mikl> kpackage?
[05:34] <smouche-lunch> mikl, kpackage is wonderful; I find it more convenient than synaptic
[05:36] <smouche-lunch> kpackage acts like it's buggy though, unless I invoke it with kdesu instead of sudo.  Maybe that's just my system configured wrong, I don't know...
[05:36] <hussam> will kpackage tell if the .deb I downlaoded has unmet dependancies without actually installing the .deb?
[05:36] <usual> wow kubuntu doesn't come with firefox
[05:36] <mikl> usual: that is easily remedied, however :)
[05:36] <usual> yes
[05:37] <usual> I wonder why firefox wants all these gnome pakages
[05:37] <smouche-lunch> I think it's gtk only, usual ... ?
[05:37] <usual> nope
[05:37] <usual> gconf2 gnome-keyring gnome-mime-data libatk1.0-0 libbonobo2-0
[05:37] <usual> for starters
[05:38] <mikl> usual: That is the reason for it not beeing default in kubuntu :)
[05:38] <usual> :)
[05:38] <smouche-lunch> one hopes a kde-oriented version is on the way...
[05:39] <mikl> smouche-lunch: there is the kecko-project
[05:39] <usual> isn't there a qt port wayyy upstream
[05:39] <hussam> is there anyway to do test install with dpkg?
[05:39] <transgress> anyone know which window decs i would download from kde-look.org to use with 3.4?
[05:40] <smouche-lunch> I actually think konqueror is pretty good as a web browser; don't like it for file management though
[05:40] <mikl> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20040911-4175.html <- Kecko :)
[05:40] <smouche-lunch> thanks mikl
[05:41] <transgress> usual: i've been bitching about the firefox problem forever
[05:41] <transgress> they compiled with gnome support on
[05:41] <usual> but yet they still have a gnome support package
[05:41] <usual> i don't understand
[05:42] <transgress> usual: it's becuase it's an ubuntu package and they didn't much pay attention to the other 1/3 of their users
[05:42] <transgress> it's quite an annoyance...
[05:42] <iRonYk> i have a stupid question, but how come Kubuntu is playing mp3s out of the box?
[05:42] <usual> it does?
[05:42] <transgress> a couple packages will... 
[05:42] <transgress> such as xmms
[05:42] <iRonYk> mine does, was very surprised
[05:43] <transgress> which prog you using?
[05:43] <iRonYk> amaroK, does it have some precompiled codec?
[05:43] <smouche-lunch> wow, that is strange; that happened to me once though with an unstable hoary kubuntu version; I think it was an oversight by the dev's
[05:43] <iRonYk> i doubt it, i downloaded the CD image off the site and didnt do any updates
[05:43] <iRonYk> as i cannot connect to the repositories :(
[05:44] <smouche-lunch> or, does kubuntu project have a different philosophy regarding some patent encumbered stuff?
[05:44] <pussfeller> maybe someone should hack up an unofficial cd with all the codecs and extras enabled
[05:44] <iRonYk> and call it Mubuntu :D
[05:45] <transgress> pussfeller: or you could just apt them
[05:45] <pussfeller> i think that would serve peoples needs better than making them jump thru hoops to get stuff that is just basic to having a functional coputer
[05:45] <kimo> any pkgs with all illegal stuff ?
[05:45] <iRonYk> i, for instance, cannot apt anything, since i cannot connect to reps :(
[05:45] <pussfeller> its not illegal
[05:45] <transgress> wow it took me all of 10 minutes to get java, mp3's, and dvds working out of the box...
[05:45] <smouche-lunch> pussfeller, there are some great scripts on the wikis (on ubuntu anyway) for automating that stuff
[05:45] <transgress> that was a lot of hoops
[05:46] <iRonYk> and if u had to get it work, it was not out of the box, right?
[05:46] <usual> konq has crashed on me countless times
[05:46] <pussfeller> transgress, thats great but its not what end users should have to do
[05:47] <transgress> pussfeller: why not?
[05:47] <transgress> pussfeller: it's like that for a reason
[05:48] <usual> i can't even rename files without konq seg faulting
[05:48] <usual> grr
[05:48] <pussfeller> yeah the reason is ideological, not legal, afiak
[05:48] <transgress> pussfeller: it's also legal... such as libdvdcss
[05:48] <pussfeller> its in portage, so i doubt theres legality of any real consequence involved
[05:51] <transgress> pussfeller: i promise you... libdvdcss is not legal
[05:54] <transgress> the console doesn't like this font... it keeps screwing up the m for me
[05:54] <iRonYk> my m is just fine
[05:54] <iRonYk> can someone help me or send me their sources.list
[05:54] <transgress> iRonYk: what font do you use?
[05:54] <iRonYk> no idea :)
[05:54] <transgress> iRonYk: what happened to yours?
[05:55] <iRonYk> how do u do it? write to my nickname?
[05:56] <iRonYk> the font is supposedly xft
[05:56] <vicks> hi. anyone that can help me with a synaptic problem
[05:56] <transgress> vicks: what's the problem?
[05:56] <iRonYk> i either cannot edit the sources.list file correctly or i have some connection problem or something
[05:56] <iRonYk> because i cannot connect to repositories
[05:56] <dell500> does anyone here know why i might not be getting video, but only sound when viewing mpgs
[05:57] <transgress> iRonYk: pastebin your sources.list
[05:57] <transgress> dell500: you probably don't have the needed codecs for the mpeg
[05:58] <vicks> libxvidcore4:  Beror: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[05:58] <transgress> damn it
[05:58] <vicks> i'm trying to update the package libxvidcore4, but synaptic says: 
[05:58] <transgress> i change my font and now everything with m in it screws up
[05:58] <iRonYk> its the default one, i just uncomment the universe and multiverse servers
[05:58] <vicks> oops wrong order =)
[05:58] <transgress> iRonYk: did you apt-get update?
[05:58] <vicks> "beror" = depends
[05:58] <iRonYk> yes, but it does not finish updating
[05:59] <dell500> transgress, i installed the codecs on the ubuntuguide.org
[05:59] <iRonYk> how do i flush the console output to a file?
[05:59] <dell500> are there any others i should know about
[05:59] <transgress> dell500: did you get the w32codecs?
[05:59] <dell500> yup
[06:00] <transgress> ah fixed it
[06:00] <dell500> installed gstreamer0.8 plugins, w32codecs, and liblame0
[06:00] <transgress> dell500: what are you using the play the mpeg?
[06:00] <transgress> heh i don't think i have gstreamer and i play everything quite well
[06:01] <dell500> xine right now
[06:01] <dell500> kaffiene doesn't work either, does the same thing
[06:01] <transgress> check your xine settings... i think kaffeine uses xine but i may be wrong
[06:01] <dell500> do you think i would need to update??
[06:02] <transgress> no?
[06:02] <dell500> what should i be looking for?
[06:03] <dell500> ther'es a driver section for video, but it's on auto
[06:03] <transgress> check if it is viewing your codecs... you could re-apt xine so as to make sure it is using the drivers
[06:03] <transgress> so... who wants to buy me a new powermac... with dualies
[06:04] <dell500> i just did apt-get dist-upgrade, and it said one was kept back, gstreamer0.8-lame
[06:05] <bdmp> Could someone tell me how to get .wmv codecs?
[06:05] <transgress> dell500: do you still have marillat enabled?
[06:06] <dell500> not sure what that is
[06:07] <kisain> hey can someone tell me how to get kde for ubuntu?
[06:07] <kisain> plz
[06:07] <transgress> don't PM me w/o asking
[06:07] <bdmp> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:07] <transgress> i really fucking hate that
[06:07] <kisain> hey trans it's me kisain
[06:07] <transgress> hi kisain 
[06:07] <mikl> Riddell: Do you know if evdev is supported in kubuntu?
[06:08] <transgress> ha
[06:08] <bdmp> did you catch that kisain?
[06:08] <kisain> yeo
[06:08] <kisain> yep
[06:08] <dell500> transgress, what's marillat?
[06:08] <kisain> this will give me the seesions manager right?
[06:08] <bdmp> you don't by chance know how to get .wma codecs?
[06:09] <transgress> dell500: well it's where you would've gotten w32codecs from
[06:09] <bdmp> yeah
[06:09] <Riddell> mikl: what is it?
[06:09] <transgress> bdmp: get the w32codecs from marillat
[06:09] <mikl> Riddell: kernel-level event-manager for mouse-events :)
[06:09] <bdmp> is that an aptg et source?
[06:09] <mikl> but nevermind, it just found it on google :)
[06:09] <Riddell> mikl: suspect not
[06:09] <kisain> do i wnat kgm or gdm ass the default sessions manager
[06:09] <Riddell> kisain: kdm 
[06:09] <transgress> bdmp: learn the power of google.
[06:09] <bdmp> kdm
[06:10] <Riddell> cos then you get to see my shiny graphics
[06:10] <mikl> it is, actuall http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31813
[06:10] <kisain> and that will let me use my ubuntu too?
[06:10] <bdmp> if i install codecs does it make them useable by all media players or do you have to do it for each player?
[06:10] <kisain> because for some reason ubuntu won't run my teamspeak but kubuntu will
[06:11] <transgress> umm...
[06:11] <kisain> i don't understand the diffrence but there seems to be one :/
[06:12] <kisain> brb gonna switch
[06:15] <kisain> ok back
[06:15] <amu> bdmp: still problems? 
[06:16] <amu> kisain: try a killall esd ; restart teamspeak
[06:16] <kisain> i did with ubuntu and it diden't work
[06:16] <kisain> but for some reason kubuntu will run it
[06:17] <kisain> even though i know theres not much diffrence
[06:17] <kisain> but there must be smeware
[06:17] <bdmp> oh yeah
[06:17] <amu> the differnce is alsa & esd
[06:17] <kisain> oh
[06:17] <amu> bdmp: download http://devel.debian.net/kubuntu/hoary/shoutcast-playlist.pls
[06:18] <kisain> it's weard
[06:18] <bdmp> same thing
[06:18] <kisain> the sound driver would cause that to happen?
[06:18] <amu> kisain: start teamspeak from a terminal, any output? 
[06:19] <kisain> i did and there was some numbers than it booted cause it's running now
[06:19] <kisain> so why won't it run in ubuntu?
[06:19] <vicks> is it possible tp update between kubuntu-versions (like hoary to breezy) with the install-cd?
[06:19] <amu> kisain: probably, maybe your sounddevice is busy ( with arts or esd ) or you choose the wrong sounddevice ( /dev/dsp0 ) in you config  
[06:20] <amu> vicks: yes, if there are kubuntu CD's for breezy
[06:20] <kisain> i diden't config nothin though
[06:21] <kisain> it's really weard my freind kamping_kaizer got it to run first time installed 
[06:21] <bdmp> transgress: is the debian source the same as the one I would use? The address I mean?   and what is the file called I add that to sources.list? /etc?
[06:21] <amu> kisain: than run kubuntu :)
[06:21] <vicks> amu, sweet. is there talk about NOT releasing a kubuntu-breezy?
[06:21] <kisain> now the problem with ts is that i  can't talk i know there's some command to install
[06:21] <kisain> into the k-menu
[06:21] <kisain> i think i will lol
[06:23] <amu> vicks: some compile problems, gcc4 transition isnt finsihed now 
[06:23] <kisain> very wead
[06:23] <amu> bdmp: did you download the file? 
[06:23] <kisain> how do i get multiple programs to use sound at the same time?
[06:24] <vicks> amu, i don't now what that mean, but i hope they will succeed =)
[06:24] <kisain> because if a nother prog is using the sound teamspeak can't
[06:24] <kisain> weard
[06:24] <amu> vicks: sure it will ... there are 16.000 packages ... that need some time 
[06:24] <bdmp> it did the same thing as always
[06:25] <transgress> kisain: ah that means in ubuntu your multimedia selection is set to alsa
[06:25] <bdmp> freeze on start up
[06:25] <kisain> oh.....how to fix?
[06:25] <amu> 16.000 packages for 4 archs :)
[06:25] <kisain> i like them both lol
[06:25] <kisain> kubuntu and ubuntu
[06:25] <kisain> they both rock
[06:25] <amu> kisain: the easiest way to find it out run a lsof |grep dsp 
[06:26] <kisain> ok so i just type that in
[06:26] <kisain> hmm i seem to have duplicates of some menu items
[06:26] <amu> yep
[06:26] <kisain> like terminal and konsole
[06:27] <amu> yep
[06:27] <kisain> ok so it spit out a list
[06:27] <kisain> it's all teamspeak
[06:28] <kisain> are there supposed to be dublicates?
[06:28] <amu> stop teamspeak and rerun 
[06:28] <kisain> *duplicates
[06:28] <kisain> ok
[06:28] <kisain> nothin the list is blank
[06:29] <kisain> maybe i should just get rid of the ubuntu-desktop then
[06:29] <kisain> it's simpler but this seems to run stuff easyer
[06:29] <amu> as i said use kubuntu instead ;) 
[06:30] <kisain> ok how do i change from alsa to what evers better?
[06:30] <kisain> and how do i uninstall the ubuntu desktop?
[06:30] <kisain> because if i don't need it than oh well
[06:30] <kisain> it's just taking up space
[06:30] <vicks> if i want to remove as much as possible of the ubuntu-desktop (i'm running kubuntu-desktop over a ubntu-install), how would i go about doing that? is there any drawbacks?
[06:30] <kisain> >.<
[06:30] <bdmp> apt-get unstall ubuntu-desktop
[06:31] <bdmp> uninstall*
[06:31] <transgress> it's not really all that easy to uninstall gnome
[06:31] <kisain> will i still have my ubuntu screensavers? i really like them lol
[06:31] <transgress> removing one of the bottom deps works... such as gconf2
[06:31] <kisain> ok trans than what do i do?
[06:31] <KaiL> try to play with debfoster, that's a tool to remove inused apps
[06:31] <transgress> ubuntu-desktop is a meta package... it will not remove gnome... or even the ubuntu desktop... just a file called ubuntu-desktop
[06:31] <amu> alsa .. they other way is probably oss driver 
[06:32] <kisain> oh
[06:32] <kisain> ok so in reality i'm stuck with both
[06:32] <transgress> hmm debfoster... haven't used that before... must look at this
[06:32] <kisain> even though i take away the access it will still be there
[06:33] <kisain> now how to rid myself of the sound problem?] 
[06:33] <transgress> umm you won't even take away the access 
[06:33] <kisain> ok so than what does it do lol
[06:34] <transgress> it's a meta package... it's for installing... say i decide i want gnome... all i have to do is apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and it pulls in all of the ubuntu programs... 
[06:35] <kisain> oh
[06:35] <kisain> ok
[06:35] <vicks> is there a way to download packages, burn them to a cd and install them on another computer?
[06:35] <kisain> ok so basicly just leave it the way it is?
[06:36] <bdmp> transgress: I had that repository. What is the package I am looking for?  (.wma)
[06:36] <kisain> almost got the ragnarok thing figured out as well
[06:36] <amu> vicks: sure
[06:36] <kisain> i might be able to use it in ubuntu and kubuntu
[06:36] <transgress> bdmp: w32codecs... only get that, then disable that repo
[06:36] <transgress> or shit will break
[06:37] <transgress> i'ma go get food
[06:37] <transgress> later
[06:37] <bdmp> ok
[06:37] <kisain> ok
[06:37] <kisain> anyone know how to switch from alsa
[06:37] <vicks> amu, is it a "techy" operation, i'm quite a n00b
[06:37] <kisain> so i can let multiple apps access the sound card at the same time?
[06:38] <bdmp> transgress: before you leave. I think I have done this but I still can't play files. what program should I use? There are so many and my kaffeine is f'ed
[06:38] <amu> cp  /var/cache/apt/archives /target ; cd /target ; dpkg-scanpackages . . >Packages ; burn your CD; apt-cd add ; apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[06:39] <kisain> anyone know how to get kubuntu to use ubuntu screensavers?/
[06:40] <vicks> amu: so i do the apt-cd add ; apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[06:40] <vicks> ...on the target computer
[06:40] <amu> kisain: they are the same; they are all xscreensavers 
[06:40] <kisain> oh
[06:40] <kisain> ok
[06:40] <amu> vicks: yes, apt-cdrom add 
[06:40] <kisain> and anyone have any idea about the soundcard thing?
[06:40] <nate__> test
[06:41] <amu> kisain: multiple apps access the sound card you need a sound.daemon like arts or esd 
[06:41] <kisain> ok and how to get?
[06:41] <kisain> ubuntu is using esd
[06:41] <amu> ... you apps should support arts or esd :)  
[06:43] <vicks> amu: i'm not sure i understand the dpkg-scanpackages . . >Packages
[06:44] <kisain> so do i apt-get install arts? or esd?/
[06:44] <amu> vicks: in you /dir you need a Packages file
[06:44] <amu> maybe a Packages.gz 
[06:44] <amu> ;) 
[06:44] <amu> dpkg-scanpackages . . >Packages create it 
[06:45] <amu> kisain: that will be installed automatic while installing kde or gnome 
[06:45] <kisain> oh ok
[06:45] <kisain> and how to prevent the screen from blanking?
[06:45] <vicks> amu. so thats the real commandline? (sorry if the questions are stupid)
[06:46] <kisain> never mind figurted it out lol
[06:46] <amu> vicks: yes it is 
[06:46] <kisain> so if something else is using the sound card than it shoulden't matter right?
[06:47] <vicks> amu, ok. i first thought i was supposed to add my own path's in or somthing. thanks
[06:47] <amu> kisain: that sould do your app also ;) 
[06:47] <kisain> ok
[06:47] <kisain> i'm testing now
[06:48] <amu> kisain: i'll say 50% of the apps are well done which shared sound support, the other are worse, dont use them 
[06:48] <bdmp> transgress: thanks!
[06:48] <kisain> i think team speak is one of those apps :(
[06:48] <kisain> and i rely on it
[06:48] <kisain> to maintain my server
[06:49] <kisain> lol
[06:49] <amu> vicks: gzip Packages 
[06:49] <amu> kisain: that's fucking closed source :) 
[06:49] <kisain> yea but it's free 
[06:49] <kisain> i pay for the server not the clent
[06:50] <amu> complain them that they should use a alsa or esd 
[06:51] <kisain> oh yea and how to make it so i can play multi sound formats like .mpg .mp3 and .wmv?
[06:51] <bdmp> amu: did we ever figure out what is wrong with my kaffeine. I am a little confused.  
[06:51] <kisain> or can kubuntu do that nativly
[06:51] <amu> bdmp: i told you twice to download that file ...  
[06:51] <kisain> told me?
[06:51] <kisain> oh ok i get it lol
[06:51] <bdmp> I did twice and i didn't work twice. Like i told you
[06:52] <amu> kisain: your player should support those format's that the first must
[06:52] <kisain> i know but last time i installed it diden't
[06:52] <amu> bdmp: ok, than start kaffeine and load that file ... 
[06:52] <vicks> amu, i think you lost me again. i gzip the packages before i burn them?
[06:53] <bdmp> I don't think you understand. Kaffeine won't start at all. 
[06:53] <amu> kisain: mp3 is a restricked format without reinstalling libs from universe, you cant get mp3 supported
[06:53] <bdmp> it starts and freezes cant even see a damn thing on it . it looks like abstract art
[06:54] <amu> bdmp: try apt-get remove kaffeine --pure and install it again 
[06:54] <kisain> ok so how do i say fuck the restricted format shit and get it anyway?
[06:54] <amu> --purge even 
[06:54] <bdmp> ok
[06:54] <amu> vicks: yes, gzip Packages before burn them
[06:55] <vicks> amu, ok
[06:55] <bdmp> amu: it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop. is that ok?
[06:56] <kisain> need to get mozilla to run online media it can't and i don't want to install winsucks media player
[06:56] <kisain> i know theres a plug in but fogot the name
[06:56] <kisain> >.<
[06:56] <amu> kisain: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:57] <amu> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/view?searchterm=mp3
[06:57] <amu> if you deinstall kaffeine ? no it shouldnt  
[06:58] <kisain> and after that my box should be able to play common codeces right?
[06:59] <amu> well and least you sound-apps need to be compiled with those mad lib
[06:59] <sander__> Is there a command to reconfigure file assocations at once with only installed programs? I want to uninstall juk and noatun and only run Amarok and Kaffine, but even when I remove programs the assocations linger.
[06:59] <amu> that's the harder thing 
[06:59] <kisain> mozilla still says it needs a plugin
[06:59] <kisain> it refers me to windows media player
[06:59] <bdmp> woo hoo that did it amu!
[06:59] <kisain> stupid codeces
[07:00] <bdmp> you rule
[07:00] <amu> sander__: just run dpkg-reconfigure <app> 
[07:01] <kisain> any ideas?
[07:01] <kisain> last time someone told me about a plugin for mozilla that played all the formats
[07:02] <kisain> it wasen't exactly leagal sorta border line
[07:02] <sander__> amu would that remove the assocations of applications I remove or would that be part of the uninstall of the packages I removed?
[07:02] <amu> sander__: better way is, find his rc.file located in .kde rename it and restart your app, than the defaults will come
[07:02] <spiral> hmmm, reading the toppic, I shall be able to use msn again with apt-get -u dist-upgrade ?
[07:03] <amu> the other way is remove it, with purging it's config files, reinstall it
[07:03] <sander__> Ahh, thanks amu 
[07:03] <spiral> I did it, but I didn't get msn working again
[07:03] <kisain> and oh yea thanx for your help guys ^_^
[07:04] <spiral> could anyone help me with this kopete story ?
[07:04] <bdmp> yeah
[07:04] <bdmp> whats up
[07:05] <kRomatX> what are good repositories for kubuntu downloads like dvd support and all the illegal stuff? :D
[07:06] <bdmp> spiral:whats wrong?
[07:06] <spiral> bdmp: I still can't connect to msn, with the update from hoary installed...
[07:06] <kisain> i need mozilla to play all forms of web content how to do
[07:07] <bdmp> kRomatX:http://debian.video.free.fr/
[07:08] <kRomatX> thanx
[07:08] <amu> kisain: you need all kind of 'plugins' in its pluginfolder 
[07:08] <bdmp> spiral how did you install it
[07:08] <kRomatX> how do you add permanently an env variable?
[07:08] <spiral> bdmp: hmmm, I just relaunched it... & this works now...
[07:08] <spiral> sorry
[07:08] <kisain> ok but there was one that i had that could play all formats and there 
[07:08] <kisain> was a debate as to weather it was legal
[07:08] <bdmp> kRomatX:that is not the repository. that is the page that lists it
[07:08] <bdmp> no prob
[07:08] <kisain> i can't for the live of me remember what it was called though
[07:09] <bdmp> i just had the same problem
[07:09] <bdmp> kRomatX:did you catch that?
[07:09] <kRomatX> yes, thank you ;)
[07:10] <kRomatX> now, how do u add that environment var permanently to the system?
[07:10] <amu> kisain: all formats no way, flash/java it stops :) 
[07:10] <kisain> well it woulden't play those
[07:10] <kisain> 2 but everything else it had support for
[07:10] <amu> .. you said all format, that isnt possible ;)
[07:10] <kisain> i just can't rember what it was called
[07:11] <amu> kaffeine-mozilla - mozilla plugin that lanches kaffeine for supported media types
[07:11] <kisain> when you used it it would open up a white screen in the browser and 
[07:11] <bdmp> kRomatX and kisain do you all know this page http://ubuntuguide.org/ ?
[07:11] <kisain> run the video
[07:11] <kisain> yes i do but this program isen't supported buy ubuntu
[07:11] <kisain> i found it on a website that had a lawsuit against it
[07:12] <kisain> something about copyright violation or infringement or something
[07:12] <bdmp> what is the player?
[07:13] <spiral> all right... So thanks for the kopete update, guys
[07:13] <bdmp> is it vlc for gtk
[07:13] <bdmp> ?
[07:13] <amu> kisain: well, mp3 is a restricted format ....  
[07:13] <kisain> i beleve it was called mplayer
[07:13] <kisain> i know freaking people
[07:13] <amu> hehe
[07:13] <kisain> need to lighten up with there restrictions
[07:14] <kisain> restrict this *gives em the bird*
[07:14] <bdmp> kisain: what are the problems you are having?
[07:15] <kisain> need to play all content minus flash java
[07:15] <kisain> in my web borwser
[07:15] <kisain> like mpeg and wmv and such
[07:15] <bdmp> can you play the files period?
[07:17] <kisain> nope says i need plugin and i click to get plugin
[07:17] <bdmp> ok
[07:17] <kisain> and it forwards me to microsoft to get windows media sucks 
[07:17] <bdmp> do you have the multiverse repositories enableed?
[07:17] <kisain> yes
[07:18] <bdmp> do  you have kaffeine?
[07:18] <kisain> um nope
[07:18] <bdmp> get that 
[07:18] <kisain> ok
[07:18] <bdmp> apt-get install kaffeine
[07:20] <kisain> says i alredy have it
[07:20] <kisain> so i must have gotten it at some point in time
[07:20] <kisain> >.<
[07:20] <kisain> now what?
[07:20] <bdmp> apt-get install w32codecs
[07:21] <kisain> anyone know anything about gkrellm?
[07:21] <bdmp> no
[07:22] <bdmp> ok did you get that
[07:22] <bdmp> ?
[07:22] <kisain> it's getting it now
[07:22] <kisain> thats why i was wondering
[07:22] <kisain> lol
[07:23] <bdmp> this is the Unoffical ubuntu faq. it will tell you everything you need to know.. save this page http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:23] <kisain> ok
[07:23] <bdmp> i'm still helping though
[07:23] <bdmp> ok got the file?
[07:24] <kisain> 15% done
[07:24] <bdmp> what is your web browser?
[07:27] <kisain> mozilla
[07:28] <bdmp> firefox?
[07:28] <kisain> is my browser of choice
[07:28] <kisain> yup ^_^
[07:28] <bdmp> ok
[07:28] <kisain> it's all i use now
[07:28] <bdmp> so is the file done?
[07:29] <kisain> 48%
[07:29] <bdmp> wow that is slow
[07:30] <bdmp> what is the package manager you are using?
[07:30] <kisain> yea inets actin up today
[07:30] <kisain> you woulden't beleve i have a 3mb connection
[07:34] <kisain> 85%
[07:35] <bdmp> where is the file you want to listen to or watch?
[07:36] <kisain> www.ebaumsworld.com
[07:36] <bdmp> wha tis the file type?
[07:36] <kisain> they all pritty much require the same plugins
[07:36] <kisain> i beleve .wmv
[07:37] <kisain> sence it's sending me to microcraps website
[07:37] <bdmp> you don't need plugins to use any media file it just makes  it easier.  right click on the filee an save it to desktop
[07:38] <kisain> k let me try
[07:38] <kisain> oh it's all done
[07:38] <bdmp> we want to see if you have the codecs first
[07:39] <bdmp> so after you download the .wma file or what ever right click on it and open it with kaffeine
[07:41] <bdmp> where you at?
[07:41] <kisain> RESULT: Found some problems, but nevertheless Kaffeine may work.
[07:41] <bdmp> what is the problems
[07:41] <bdmp> are
[07:42] <kisain> coulden't detect the dvd orsomething due to no dma access
[07:42] <kisain> i don't have dvd though
[07:42] <kisain> and it works
[07:42] <bdmp> the dvd is seperate 
[07:42] <kisain> oh ok
[07:42] <bdmp> we are doing .wma
[07:42] <bdmp> right
[07:43] <bdmp> now what package manager are you using
[07:43] <kisain> um i have no idea
[07:43] <bdmp> how are you downloading files?
[07:43] <kisain> besides apt-get?
[07:43] <bdmp> yeah
[07:43] <kisain> mozilla
[07:44] <kisain> and syn and i'm not to shure what you mean
[07:44] <kisain> lol
[07:44] <kisain> >.<
[07:44] <bdmp> go to the K then system then Package manager (kynaptic)
[07:45] <bdmp> you are in kde right?
[07:45] <kisain> yes
[07:45] <kisain> Sound server informational message:
[07:45] <kisain> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[07:45] <kisain> device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy)
[07:45] <kisain> The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[07:46] <kisain> theres that sound problem again lol
[07:46] <bdmp> i thought you said the file worked
[07:46] <kisain> ok it's open
[07:46] <kisain> it does just no sound lol
[07:46] <kisain> because of teamspeak
[07:46] <DefHandz> Can I run Steam with WINE CVS on Kubuntu?
[07:46] <kisain> yes
[07:46] <DefHandz> Really..
[07:46] <kisain> yes
[07:47] <DefHandz> Is there a Kubuntu specific WINE CVS?
[07:47] <kisain> i use wine and cedega and it wrorks
[07:47] <DefHandz> Hm..
[07:47] <DefHandz> Ok.
[07:47] <DefHandz> Where might I find this?>
[07:47] <kisain> not to my knowledge
[07:47] <kisain> cedega um on the internet lol
[07:47] <kisain> just google it
[07:47] <DefHandz> I was amazed to find that videos run smoother when linux is on here, than when Windows XP was on here.
[07:48] <kisain> then go to www.linuxgamers.org to tweak steam
[07:48] <DefHandz> I am so excited :)
[07:48] <kisain> i know it's awsome
[07:48] <bdmp> Ok in kynaptic search kaffeine and there should be a firefox plughin
[07:48] <kisain> ok
[07:48] <bdmp> you gotta control f to do the search
[07:49] <DefHandz> So, maybe with my 668MHz CPU, counter strike will run fine. My mom's computer runs it and hers is 533...
[07:50] <kisain> k done
[07:50] <kisain> i run an intell celeron 1ghz with a 16mb pci video card
[07:50] <bdmp> so now you can load files from the net 
[07:50] <kisain> and it runs cs just fine
[07:51] <kisain> checking
[07:51] <DefHandz> I plan on upgrading to a 1GHz soon
[07:51] <bdmp> but your problem is not codecs it is a driver problem or something right
[07:51] <bdmp> ?
[07:51] <bdmp> I don't know what to do for you there?
[07:52] <kisain> i beleve that it's because of teamspeak
[07:52] <kisain> i don't know what sound drivers i'm using 
[07:52] <kisain> either
[07:53] <bdmp> what is teamspeak?
[07:53] <kisain> whether it's alsa or esd
[07:53] <DefHandz> X_X I cant find a FREE cedega.
[07:53] <DefHandz> -_-
[07:53] <kisain> it a voice gaming program thats compatable with all forms of gaming
[07:53] <bdmp> i had a driver problem to 
[07:53] <bdmp> ok
[07:53] <kisain> no matter what it is exeptional sound quality
[07:53] <DefHandz> kisain, where di you find cedega
[07:53] <bdmp> go to the k and then the control panel
[07:54] <bdmp> sorry control center
[07:54] <kisain> k
[07:54] <bdmp> then sound and multimedia 
[07:54] <bdmp> then sound system
[07:54] <kisain> control  center?
[07:54] <bdmp> then hardware
[07:55] <bdmp> you see the thing that say select the audio device?
[07:55] <bdmp> do you have any audio at all?
[07:55] <kimo> I downloaded the iso, can I install without burning to CD? (or netboot as I have no tftp server?)
[07:55] <kisain> select and configure?
[07:56] <bdmp> yeah
[07:56] <bdmp> do you have any audio at all?
[07:56] <kisain> ok there
[07:57] <bdmp> do you have any audio?
[07:57] <kisain> yes when ts isen't running
[07:57] <kimo> anyone ?
[07:57] <bdmp> oh
[07:57] <bdmp> i have no f'n idea
[07:57] <bdmp> mess with that
[07:57] <bdmp> there must be  a forum that you can post that on
[07:58] <bdmp> your thing is game specific  
[07:58] <bdmp> i have never played a comp game ever
[07:58] <kisain> no it's not
[07:58] <kisain> i can run it with any game or program
[07:58] <kisain> hell i can run it while serfing the net
[07:58] <bdmp> i thought team speak was a game chat program
[07:58] <bdmp> what is it for?/
[07:59] <kisain> it's most commonly used for gaming but me and my freinds from around
[07:59] <kisain> the world use it to bullshit
[07:59] <kisain> they play theres i play mine and thats taht lol
[07:59] <bdmp> do you know skype?
[07:59] <kisain> but it dosen't require any specific game to run
[08:00] <kisain> it's just compatable with everything
[08:00] <kisain> by the way the sound system is set to autodetect
[08:01] <bdmp> mine was messed and i changed it to oss and it got better
[08:01] <ditza`h> can any1 help? i have a problem with nvidia & xorg
[08:02] <kisain> ok i'll try that ^_^\
[08:05] <kisain> sorry system froze :/
[08:06] <DefHandz> kisain
[08:06] <DefHandz> PM
[08:07] <DefHandz> How do I install something like this, that opens with ark and has binaries inside? cedega-4.3-1.i386.deb
[08:08] <kisain> ok still no sound when i run teamspeak
[08:08] <kisain> anyother ideas?
[08:08] <DefHandz> Is your mic turned up?
[08:08] <DefHandz> O_o
[08:08] <DefHandz> like, everything in sound up
[08:08] <DefHandz> X_X i dont know
[08:09] <kisain> sound runs fine untill i start teamspeak
[08:09] <kisain> i switched to oss too
[08:09] <DefHandz> Bah, used to double clicking!
[08:09] <DefHandz> O_O
[08:09] <DefHandz> OH! Its like a zip file!
[08:09] <DefHandz> :D
[08:10] <kisain> any other ideas
[08:10] <bdmp> DefHandz
[08:10] <DefHandz> Yes?
[08:10] <bdmp> its a .deb file?
[08:10] <DefHandz> yes
[08:10] <DefHandz> o_o
[08:11] <bdmp> in the command line cd to the folder it is in
[08:11] <DefHandz> ok
[08:11] <bdmp> you know cd?
[08:11] <DefHandz> yes
[08:11] <DefHandz> :P
[08:11] <DefHandz> I know how to use terminal
[08:11] <bdmp> but you don't know a deb file?
[08:11] <bdmp> the command is 
[08:11] <buz> are there any current oo2 debs?
[08:12] <bdmp> dkpg -i file
[08:12] <kimo> I downloaded the iso, can I install without burning to CD? (or netboot as I have no tftp server?)
[08:12] <bdmp> "file"
[08:12] <bdmp> ya know
[08:12] <bdmp> i don't know kimo
[08:12] <buz> i doubt it
[08:12] <buz> sounds painful
[08:12] <kimo> :)
[08:12] <bdmp> i think i read something like that on the forums or something
[08:12] <DefHandz> dkpg command not found.
[08:12] <buz> tho there once was some tool to boot into linux from dos
[08:13] <buz> dunno how it worked tho
[08:13] <DefHandz> o_O
[08:13] <kimo> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-28948.html
[08:13] <DefHandz> Sure it isnt dpkg?
[08:13] <bdmp> yeah it is
[08:13] <bdmp> are you root?
[08:13] <DefHandz> Now I ma
[08:13] <DefHandz> am
[08:13] <bdmp> if not put sudo first
[08:14] <DefHandz> X_X
[08:15] <bdmp> what does that mean?
[08:15] <bdmp> no go?
[08:15] <DefHandz> How do you get to desktop in root?
[08:15] <DefHandz> Crap.
[08:15] <DefHandz> You cant..
[08:15] <bdmp> /home/"user"/Desktio
[08:15] <DefHandz> Oh
[08:15] <DefHandz> ok
[08:15] <bdmp> yeah you can 
[08:15] <bdmp> Desktop*
[08:16] <DefHandz> It cant find the directory
[08:16] <DefHandz> wtf?
[08:16] <bdmp> do cd /
[08:16] <DefHandz> mmhm
[08:16] <DefHandz> I did that.
[08:16] <DefHandz> Oh
[08:16] <DefHandz> X_X
[08:16] <DefHandz> Nevermind
[08:16] <bdmp> cd /home
[08:16] <DefHandz> I tried to do it all at once
[08:16] <DefHandz> :p
[08:16] <bdmp> cd /home/user
[08:17] <bdmp> you can do that too
[08:17] <DefHandz> Ok its reading database
[08:17] <DefHandz> unpacking
[08:17] <bdmp> as long as it follows from the directory you are in
[08:17] <DefHandz> (Reading database ... 58686 files and directories currently installed.)
[08:18] <DefHandz> Unpacking cedega (from cedega-4.3-1.i386.deb) ...
[08:18] <DefHandz> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of cedega:
[08:18] <DefHandz>  cedega depends on libpng3; however:
[08:18] <DefHandz>   Package libpng3 is not installed.
[08:18] <DefHandz> dpkg: error processing cedega (--install):
[08:18] <DefHandz>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:18] <DefHandz> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:18] <DefHandz>  cedega
[08:18] <DefHandz> O_o
[08:18] <DefHandz> Oh jeez.
[08:18] <DefHandz> What is this...
[08:18] <DefHandz> :/
[08:18] <DefHandz> i have to install "libpng3"?
[08:19] <buz> why would  /bin/sh -c 'dcop konversation Konversation say "server" "#channel" "blabla"'
[08:19] <buz> work from the cli but not cron?
[08:20] <Diablo-D3> because... um....
[08:20] <buz> i my own user does crontab -e they should be no
[08:21] <Diablo-D3> ask in #kde-devel
[08:21] <buz> looking at it, no cronjobs seem to be run :(
[08:22] <dell500> has anyone expierence a blank screen and audio playing for mpgs/avis
[08:23] <Diablo-D3> dell500: sounds like the video codec is unsupported
[08:24] <dell500> i've done what the ubuntuguide.org says
[08:24] <dell500> for multiple codecs, w32codec, gstreamer, and libdvd
[08:24] <Diablo-D3> what exactly is the video you're watching?
[08:25] <dell500> full metal alchemist (tv show)
[08:25] <dell500> i'm trying to get it to run in kaffiene/xine
[08:25] <Diablo-D3> tv/dvd rip?
[08:26] <Diablo-D3> Im going to assume it was done using divx or xvid (since thats what everyone uses for tv and dvd rips)
[08:26] <Diablo-D3> it should be working fine without needing to resort to w32codec, gstreamer, or libdvd.
[08:26] <Diablo-D3> btw, for the record, whinry is hot
[08:27] <pv_> without 'h' :)
[08:27] <Diablo-D3> yeah, Ive never been good at transliterating japanese
[08:28] <dell500> lol diablo
[08:28] <dell500> do you think it might be a driver problem (as in xine)
[08:28] <dell500> cause it's set to auto instead of a certain
[08:31] <Diablo-D3> dell500: no, it shouldnt be
[08:31] <Diablo-D3> dell500: do you know if xv works or not on your machine?
[08:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> _WHETHER_ not _IF_
[08:32] <dell500> no idea Diablo-D3 
[08:32] <Diablo-D3> BROKEN_LADDER: you can shove your english up your ass
[08:32] <Diablo-D3> dell500: well lets find out...
[08:32] <Diablo-D3> settings -> xine engine paramaters
[08:32] <dell500> in xine or kaffiene
[08:32] <dell500> i'm guessing kaffiene
[08:33] <Diablo-D3> in kaffiene
[08:33] <dell500> k, now what
[08:33] <Diablo-D3> click on video
[08:33] <Diablo-D3> then change auto to xshm
[08:33] <Diablo-D3> hit okay, and try playing the video
[08:33] <dell500> anything else??
[08:33] <dell500> k
[08:34] <Diablo-D3> does it work?
[08:34] <dell500> nope
[08:34] <dell500> kaffiene likes to crash a lot
[08:34] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[08:35] <dell500> everytime i close it, an error comes up and says it crashed
[08:35] <Diablo-D3> dell500: dcc me the file
[08:35] <dell500> shit, i closed it
[08:35] <dell500> hold on
[08:35] <dell500> didn't that time
[08:36] <dell500> umm ok
[08:36] <dell500> well it wasn't set to xshm, now it works
[08:36] <dell500> sweet ass!
[08:36] <Diablo-D3> hah cool
[08:36] <Diablo-D3> you dont need to dcc me the file now, btw ;)
[08:36] <dell500> lol
[08:37] <Diablo-D3> btw, is it me, or does it take entirely too long to download anime off the net?
[08:39] <apollo2011> anyoen tried kubuntu 5.04 on a dell inspiron 8600? Im planning on putting it on there.  Right now my only linux system is my main desktop running suse 9.1
[08:40] <Diablo-D3> apollo2011: it should work fine
[08:40] <apollo2011> I don't think I need that advanced a sys on my laptop although I might get 9.3 when the ftp install comes ou
[08:40] <Diablo-D3> apollo2011: if in doubt, try the ubuntu live cd
[08:40] <apollo2011> yeah I don't intend to have any problems, I tried the live cd.  Just curious if someone had tried it....
[08:40] <Diablo-D3> and please dont even consider installing sude
[08:40] <Diablo-D3> er, suse
[08:40] <apollo2011> why?
[08:40] <Diablo-D3> its a very very nasty distro
[08:41] <KaiL> *g*
[08:41] <apollo2011> in what way, its the best as far as Im considered, just wish it was open source completely
[08:41] <Diablo-D3> well, most stuff is packaged incorrectly, it uses rpm, its often out of date
[08:42] <KaiL> on suse you'll ALWAYS have something important broken
[08:42] <KaiL> this times it seams to be audio control
[08:42] <apollo2011> that seems to be the case for most distros...
[08:42] <Pupeno> Does kubuntu come with some kind of automatic-log-out, because yesterday I went to sleep with the computer logged in and when I woke up, it was logged off, I checked the uptime, and there hasn't been any power problems.
[08:42] <Diablo-D3> apollo2011: not really
[08:43] <apollo2011> I don't have many problems, I tried fedora on my main sys and din't care for it at all
[08:43] <KaiL> apollo2011: we are still searching, what it broken on (k)ubuntu :)
[08:43] <Diablo-D3> ubuntu's only big issue is that its new.
[08:43] <apollo2011> well I had fedora, kubuntu, and suse installed when firefox 1.04 came out and it took a while for all of them to get updates for them into their main update program
[08:44] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[08:44] <Diablo-D3> I actually cant think of anything broken on ubuntu atm
[08:44] <KaiL> hmm, some of that Dell have ipw2100 (intel 11g), some a Broadcom 11a/b/g?
[08:44] <Diablo-D3> apollo2011: because its firefox
[08:44] <Diablo-D3> firefox isnt exactly the easist thing to package in the world
[08:45] <apollo2011> true, doesn't come in the standard rpm/deb
[08:45] <apollo2011> KaiL: yeah, I beleive i have the broadcome so I could get a/b/g
[08:45] <Pupeno> and Firefoz takes a while to compile, so, each packaging try takes a while, making the process slower, I bet OpenOffice is the 'definition' of this problem.
[08:45] <KaiL> but needs ndiswrapper
[08:45] <apollo2011> is that bad?
[08:45] <Diablo-D3> Pupeno: hell, we dont even package OOo
[08:46] <Diablo-D3> we repackage the binaries they build
[08:46] <KaiL> apollo2011: not that bad, but native linux drivers would be nicer
[08:46] <Diablo-D3> it approx. takes over 48 hours on a 1ghz x86
[08:46] <KaiL> but you won't get any until hell freezes
[08:46] <Diablo-D3> atleast you have linux drivers ;)
[08:46] <apollo2011> KaiL: will my card work with kubuntu out of the box/with the software that comes with it
[08:47] <Pupeno> On my Athlon XP 2400+, with 512MB of RAM, takes about 20 hs :D
[08:47] <Diablo-D3> theres still some wifi chips that dont have them at all
[08:47] <Diablo-D3> apollo2011: depends entirely on the chipset
[08:47] <apollo2011> the wi-fi was I think one of the few things I didn't try on the live cd
[08:47] <apollo2011> ok
[08:47] <Diablo-D3> apollo2011: like, half the wifi cards manufactured in the world are either work with prism or madwifi drivers
[08:47] <KaiL> apollo2011: you need to install "ndiswrapper-utils" (might be on the CD)
[08:47] <apollo2011> ok
[08:47] <KaiL> Diablo-D3: as said, it's broadcom ;)
[08:47] <apollo2011> ill look when I install...
[08:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> .n,tet,rehh'cejrj, ce ,.rc,ecer/,cl.
[08:47] <Diablo-D3> others work with ndiswrapper
[08:48] <KaiL> apollo2011: and then add the windows driver there
[08:48] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: which I dont know what the real chip inside is
[08:48] <Pupeno> brb
[08:48] <Diablo-D3> Pupeno: ... well, we cant.
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> sorry..that was my girlfriend. she doesn't know dvorak
[08:48] <buz> LOL
[08:48] <Pupeno> Diablo-D3: why not ?
[08:48] <Diablo-D3> I already 'boycott' them by only buying hardware I know works in linux
[08:48] <Diablo-D3> BROKEN_LADDER: lol
[08:48] <KaiL> but you need to do  this on every Linux, as nobody is allowed to ship windows drivers with Linux
[08:48] <buz> so theres actually people who use dvorak
[08:48] <Diablo-D3> BROKEN_LADDER: like you actually have a gf
[08:48] <KaiL> Diablo-D3: broadcom is a chip vendor ;)
[08:48] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: ... ahh.
[08:48] <KaiL> one of the biggest...:)
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> actually i do.
[08:49] <Pupeno> Diablo-D3: yes, me too.
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> here, let me turn on the inflator pump and get her more excted.
[08:49] <Diablo-D3> a flesh and blood one, mind you
[08:49] <buz> lol
[08:49] <buz> i read fresh and blond one at first
[08:49] <KaiL> S3 also seams to work
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> yes buz , i use dvorak
[08:50] <apollo2011> will the kubuntu partitioner resize my ntfs partition or do I need to use knoppix/suse live cd
[08:50] <Diablo-D3> so yeah...
[08:50] <Diablo-D3> I dont really 'boycott'
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> i use a dvorak keymap that i modified to include esperanto characters.
[08:50] <Diablo-D3> I just dont buy hardware I cant use
[08:50] <Diablo-D3> apollo2011: it cant yet.
[08:50] <apollo2011> ok
[08:51] <KaiL> imho this Dell laptop is quite unproblematic
[08:51] <Diablo-D3> like, I could have bought a r300 series card when they came out
[08:51] <Diablo-D3> instead I bought the fastest r200 in existance
[08:51] <buz> i think i'll have to get a nvidia card
[08:51] <buz> no composite drivers for ati
[08:51] <Diablo-D3> buz: nvidia doesnt do composite either iirc
[08:52] <Diablo-D3> composite is too new to be properly supported in drivers
[08:52] <Diablo-D3> vendors should worry about xrender support instead
[08:53] <KaiL> uhm, afaik nvidia has some Composite, but sloooooooooooow
[08:53] <buz> i heard nvidia binaries doe
[08:53] <KaiL> way faster in ATI R200
[08:53] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: if its slow, then its not hardware accelerated
[08:53] <buz> huuh?
[08:53] <buz> there s no composite for ati???
[08:53] <buz> or am i too stupid to find it?
[08:53] <Diablo-D3> ugh, KaiL, buz you're both confused.
[08:54] <Diablo-D3> composite doesnt require hardware acceleration HOWEVER
[08:54] <Diablo-D3> if you dont have it, its ssslloooowwwww
[08:54] <KaiL> yes
[08:54] <KaiL> so again: with nvidia and Matrox G-Series: both incredible slow
[08:54] <Diablo-D3> now, you can speed it up using xrender, except thats still sllloowww, just a magnitude or two faster than sssslllloooooowwwww
[08:55] <KaiL> ATI R200: a lot faster, but I won't call that really "accellerated"
[08:55] <buz> KaiL: with what drivers
[08:55] <Diablo-D3> r200s have xrender acceleration
[08:55] <buz> r200 is radeon 9000-200 right
[08:55] <KaiL> buz: nvidia's own driver, Xorg for the other two
[08:55] <Diablo-D3> buz: no
[08:55] <KaiL> R200 = Radeon 8500-9250
[08:55] <Diablo-D3> wait, what?
[08:56] <Diablo-D3> wtf is a 9000-200?
[08:56] <buz> mhh so my 9000 should do it
[08:56] <buz> weird
[08:56] <buz> couldnt get it to work
[08:56] <buz> but then again, Xorg hates me
[08:56] <KaiL> buz: radeon driver?
[08:56] <Diablo-D3> did you turn it on, buz?
[08:56] <KaiL> there you need to explicid disable it ;))
[08:56] <Diablo-D3> Section "Extensions"
[08:56] <Diablo-D3>   Option "Composite" "Enable"
[08:56] <Diablo-D3> EndSection
[08:56] <Diablo-D3> add that to your xorg.conf
[08:56] <Diablo-D3> at the bottom
[08:56] <KaiL> ^^^ not needed here
[08:56] <Diablo-D3> and then control-alt-backspace
[08:56] <buz> i trieg with fglrx and radeon
[08:57] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: to enable composite, he needs it
[08:57] <buz> so it should work with radeon? or only fglrx?
[08:57] <Diablo-D3> buz: with radeon only afaik
[08:57] <KaiL> Diablo-D3: it's commented out here
[08:57] <KaiL> but still works
[08:57] <KaiL> buz: xcompmgr -c
[08:57] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: wtf
[08:58] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: kwin doesnt use xcompmgr though
[08:58] <KaiL> that KDE option behaves a bit strange
[08:58] <buz> xcompmgr doesnt come with kubuntu
[08:59] <KaiL> looks, as you need to restart to enable it, but not to disable...*g*
[08:59] <Diablo-D3> buz: apt-get install it
[08:59] <_chavo> just run kompmgr from the run box after you enable it
[08:59] <Diablo-D3> holy shit!
[09:00] <Diablo-D3> shadows!
[09:00] <Diablo-D3> *drool!*
[09:00] <buz> mhh it works
[09:00] <Diablo-D3> erk, apparently KaiL is right
[09:00] <buz> but its so slow to be unusable
[09:00] <Diablo-D3> composite is enabled by default
[09:00] <Diablo-D3> buz: yup, and imagine if you didnt have acceleration
[09:01] <buz> i don't think THAT's accelerated much
[09:01] <buz> it does look gorgeous
[09:01] <_chavo> it's fast, but buggy here
[09:01] <Diablo-D3> buz: realistically, composite wont be useful for another year
[09:01] <Diablo-D3> Im wondering though
[09:01] <KaiL> buz: disable transparency
[09:01] <dangermouse> should use opengl for it
[09:01] <Diablo-D3> I wonder if kwin is buggy
[09:01] <Diablo-D3> or missing something
[09:01] <Diablo-D3> dangermouse: it does on some xservers, actually
[09:02] <dangermouse> xservers which use gl for everything, i expect
[09:02] <Diablo-D3> dangermouse: Xgl, which is an experimental xserver, uses GL for _everything_
[09:02] <Diablo-D3> yup
[09:02] <Diablo-D3> its also based on kdrive, so its ungodly fast
[09:02] <Diablo-D3> let me get you a url for something
[09:02] <KaiL> fast or slow?
[09:03] <Diablo-D3> ack!
[09:03] <Diablo-D3> my xserver crashed!
[09:03] <Diablo-D3> damnit!
[09:03] <_chavo> Diablo-D3, what card?
[09:03] <KaiL> that's the problem with Composite :)
[09:03] <Diablo-D3> no
[09:03] <Diablo-D3> I killed xcompmgr
[09:03] <Diablo-D3> apparently that wasnt very smart
[09:03] <KaiL> R300 is always a good guess *g*
[09:04] <Diablo-D3> Im on a r200, btw
[09:04] <KaiL> oh
[09:04] <_chavo> it's very slow and unstable with ati drivers
[09:04] <buz> r2000 here to
[09:04] <Diablo-D3> so lets try that url getting thing again
[09:04] <Diablo-D3> dont use ati drivers
[09:04] <Diablo-D3> ever
[09:04] <Diablo-D3> unless you have a r300/400/500 of course =/
[09:05] <_chavo> I don't use ati cards
[09:05] <Diablo-D3> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots
[09:05] <Diablo-D3> look at the videos
[09:05] <buz> i know those
[09:05] <Diablo-D3> thats all done using composite
[09:05] <buz> wobbly windows are cool
[09:05] <amu> tries even
[09:05] <KaiL> << R200 here, more stable than my GF2
[09:05] <buz> they claim it runs on a mobily 7500
[09:05] <buz> how the fuck
[09:05] <Diablo-D3> buz: opengl
[09:06] <DefHandz> Trying to install libpng3 
[09:06] <DefHandz> root@ubuntu:/home/jordan/Desktop # apt-get install libpng3
[09:06] <DefHandz> Reading package lists... Done
[09:06] <buz> 7500's open gl is barely existant
[09:06] <Diablo-D3> you forget, opengl even on old cards for plain jain 2D operations is _so fucking fast_
[09:06] <DefHandz> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:06] <DefHandz> Package libpng3 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:06] <DefHandz> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:06] <DefHandz> is only available from another source
[09:06] <DefHandz> E: Package libpng3 has no installation candidate
[09:06] <DefHandz> Well?
[09:06] <KaiL> DefHandz: there's no libpng3 :)
[09:06] <othernoob> how do i make sure that clamav is running ?
[09:06] <buz> can i use Xgl with kubuntu?
[09:06] <DefHandz> Well then, where might I find this?
[09:06] <Diablo-D3> DefHandz: you want libpng12-0
[09:06] <KaiL> enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:07] <DefHandz> X_X
[09:07] <DefHandz> I've gone through this before
[09:07] <Diablo-D3> DefHandz: libpng3 is just a transitional package
[09:07] <DefHandz> Its so confusing...
[09:07] <Diablo-D3> DefHandz: just install libpng12-0
[09:07] <DefHandz> I'm sorta new to linux
[09:07] <DefHandz> Oh
[09:07] <DefHandz> O_O
[09:07] <Diablo-D3> so, back to what I was saying, r100s are still pretty fast, dont underestimate them
[09:08] <Diablo-D3> from a GL standpoint, those luminocity demos really arent doing anything at all
[09:08] <Diablo-D3> its just textured polygons
[09:08] <Diablo-D3> and very few of them
[09:08] <amu> othernoob: ps -ax |grep clamd
[09:09] <buz> true
[09:09] <buz> now i want Xgl on my machine :)
[09:09] <Diablo-D3> Xgl is useless for everyday use
[09:09] <othernoob> amu, that returns a "bad ps syntax" ?
[09:09] <buz> damn you 
[09:09] <buz> made me see it
[09:10] <buz> now i want it
[09:10] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: no -
[09:10] <Diablo-D3> buz: well, theres two major problems
[09:10] <buz> drivers and?
[09:10] <othernoob> ok thanks :)
[09:10] <Diablo-D3> buz: number one is that a very small number of programs are slower under Xgl
[09:10] <Diablo-D3> buz: such as traditional pixel pushing 2D video games
[09:11] <Diablo-D3> buz: number two is that you dont have glx, so no GL programs at all
[09:11] <buz> as for the first, nobody cares
[09:11] <buz> as for the second, few really care
[09:11] <Diablo-D3> any 2D SDL-using app falls under problem number one 
[09:12] <Diablo-D3> so I care.
[09:12] <buz> as long as we can use mplayer or something like that that's fine by me :)
[09:12] <Diablo-D3> as for problem two, I use an inordinate number of GL apps
[09:12] <Diablo-D3> buz: iirc XV works fine
[09:12] <buz> as long as people can watch pr0n, they'll be happy
[09:12] <buz> even more so if there's more eye candy
[09:13] <Diablo-D3> haha
[09:13] <Diablo-D3> "look! wobbly boobs!"
[09:13] <buz> LOOOL
[09:13] <buz> friend of mine, first thing he did after installing suse was getting wmv to work
[09:13] <buz> guess why
[09:13] <Diablo-D3> the magic dancing penis!
[09:14] <buz> huh?
[09:14] <Diablo-D3> el porno?
[09:14] <buz> yeah
[09:14] <buz> but not THAT sort
[09:15] <Diablo-D3> I must be the only person on the planet that has only mpeg2 or mpeg4 porn
[09:15] <buz> nah
[09:15] <Diablo-D3> I even have porn in h264 and theora
[09:15] <buz> i don't quite get why people download wmv
[09:15] <buz> you mean there's player that can display h264 in a sane speed now?
[09:15] <Diablo-D3> but I have no wmv
[09:15] <Diablo-D3> or qt
[09:15] <buz> qt6 is mpeg4
[09:16] <Diablo-D3> I meant older qt
[09:16] <buz> older qt sucked ass
[09:16] <Diablo-D3> but not so old that ffmpeg supports it
[09:16] <Diablo-D3> btw, h264 cant be decoded quickly
[09:16] <Diablo-D3> thats just the way h264 is designed
[09:16] <buz> its a slighty weird design tradeoff
[09:16] <Diablo-D3> so for 720x480x24fps, you'll need like a 1.5 ghz machine
[09:17] <Diablo-D3> no, its far more complex.
[09:17] <buz> i want a fpga
[09:17] <Diablo-D3> look at the difference between mpeg2 and mpeg4
[09:17] <buz> mpeg4 actually takes less cpu to decode than mpeg2
[09:17] <Diablo-D3> mpeg2 can be decoded on like a 250mhz p2
[09:17] <Diablo-D3> no, not less
[09:17] <buz> sure
[09:17] <Diablo-D3> mpeg4 rapes machines that dont have enough L2 cache
[09:17] <buz> ever tried to watch dvd on a epia?
[09:17] <buz> won't work without hardware acceleration
[09:18] <buz> works just fine wit 720*420mpeg4
[09:18] <Diablo-D3> mpeg4 ends up not being that much more complex, but requires a far larger data set
[09:18] <Diablo-D3> heh
[09:18] <Diablo-D3> Im lucky though
[09:18] <Diablo-D3> I have a p3
[09:19] <Diablo-D3> sse and better cache design for the win
[09:19] <buz> i'll finally get my psu for the athlon64 on monday
[09:19] <buz> right now i'm on a 2000+ athlon
[09:19] <buz> noisy bastard
[09:20] <buz> i bought one years ago
[09:20] <KaiL> Diablo-D3: outdated?
[09:20] <buz> don't think i used it more than 20times
[09:20] <buz> p3 IS outdated
[09:20] <KaiL> what is my K6-2/500 then? ;)
[09:20] <buz> prehistoric
[09:21] <Diablo-D3> I have a laptop....
[09:21] <Diablo-D3> its currently serving as my lan's gateway and firewall
[09:21] <Diablo-D3> and fileserver
[09:21] <buz> interesting
[09:21] <Pupeno> Is it possible on kubuntu to get GTK applications to look like the KDE ones ?
[09:21] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: dead
[09:21] <buz> most laptops dont like 24*7 use
[09:21] <Diablo-D3> my p3 550 kills it
[09:21] <Pupeno> buz: that's a habit I need to change :S
[09:21] <Diablo-D3> buz: set at slowest speed all the time
[09:21] <KaiL> Pupeno: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[09:22] <Diablo-D3> Pupeno: yes
[09:22] <Diablo-D3> Pupeno: use the gtk-qt theme
[09:22] <Pupeno> KaiL: installing it is enough ? or should I do some gtk configuration (I don't have a clue how that is configured since I always stayed on the KDE side).
[09:22] <Diablo-D3> buz: it also acts as my 2nd monitor in a quasi dual monitor setup
[09:22] <buz> i prefer desktop hardware
[09:22] <Diablo-D3> buz: control it via x11vc + x2vnc
[09:22] <buz> installing should usually work
[09:23] <KaiL> Pupeno: it get's enabled after elogin afaik
[09:23] <buz> today it didnt for me
[09:23] <Diablo-D3> Pupeno: it includes a kcontrol panel for it
[09:23] <buz> but then again, my firefox is plastikfox skinned anyway so i dont bother
[09:23] <Pupeno> ok, thank you.
[09:23] <Diablo-D3> Pupeno: btw, the one in kubuntu is a little buggy, so use the kcontrol panel to set the gtk theme to gtk-qt explicitly
[09:24] <buz> i do, too
[09:24] <buz> but right now it doesnt do anything
[09:24] <buz> ah who cares
[09:24] <Diablo-D3> buz: hah, not everyone uses plastik or lipstik you know
[09:24] <buz> i use plastik
[09:24] <buz> i like it
[09:25] <buz> not so many colors and other distractions
[09:25] <Diablo-D3> yeah
[09:25] <buz> i cant stand baghira for one
[09:25] <Diablo-D3> Im using lipstik with the plastik gradent direction option on
[09:26] <buz> i actually also like the .net theme
[09:26] <buz> very clean minimalistic
[09:27] <Diablo-D3> I hate baghira
[09:28] <Diablo-D3> and keramik
[09:28] <othernoob> how do i update clamav ?
[09:29] <Diablo-D3> why are you even running clamav?
[09:29] <buz> keramik is ugly
[09:29] <buz> and dont get me started on the bubble titlebar
[09:29] <othernoob> pc is connected to a windows pc, thats why.
[09:29] <Diablo-D3> ahh
[09:29] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: install clamav-freshclam
[09:31] <othernoob> i meant the prog, not the virus db
[09:31] <Diablo-D3> um, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[09:33] <phxguy> can anyone help me take a screenshot of my kdm theme
[09:40] <buz> run ksnapshot
[09:41] <buz> oh wait, kdm
[09:41] <buz> dunno about that
[09:42] <Diablo-D3> theres an app for that iirc
[09:43] <Diablo-D3> I just cant think of the name of it
[09:51] <phxguy> any other ideas?
[09:57] <kisain> still havin that sound problem :/
[09:57] <HavoK> hi there                                                   
[10:00] <kisain> is there anyone here
[10:01] <uniq> yes.
[10:01] <kisain> oh ok
[10:01] <Diablo-D3> for those watching eurovision atm: http://www.jetlagtravel.com/molvania/images/Elektronik_Supersonik.mpg
[10:01] <buz> the isreali chick was hot
[10:02] <kisain> can anyone help me with my sound problem
[10:02] <Diablo-D3> and molvania's 2005 entry: http://www.jetlagtravel.com/molvania/images/antipope.mp3
[10:03] <buz> the swiss imported their entry from eastern europe lol
[10:04] <buz> after ending up last place (or close to it) the last time
[10:05] <dangermouse> hehe
[10:05] <dangermouse> funny shat
[10:06] <kisain> thatsd halarious
[10:07] <kisain> how do i save that
[10:07] <kisain> i want to give it to my freind
[10:08] <kisain> the antipope
[10:08] <kisain> he would so get a kick outta it
[10:09] <kisain> and anyone know why wjem i use teamspeak no other program can use soud?
[10:09] <kisain> i'm using oss
[10:09] <dangermouse> because you're using oss
[10:10] <dangermouse> and/or have a cheap soundcard
[10:10] <kisain> ok what should i use than
[10:10] <kisain> no it's built into the motherboard
[10:10] <kisain> don't know if it's cheap
[10:10] <dangermouse> which means it's even more likely to be cheao
[10:10] <dangermouse> cheap*
[10:10] <kisain> are you shittin me?
[10:10] <kisain> damnit
[10:10] <dangermouse> motherboards with integrated audio have it, generally, because people are cheap
[10:10] <kisain> it's an ibm netvista
[10:11] <dangermouse> and don't want to shell out $20 for a separate card
[10:11] <kisain> naw i got this one for free
[10:11] <dangermouse> then that's as cheap as they come
[10:11] <kisain> cause the peepole that owned it
[10:11] <dangermouse> point made
[10:11] <kisain> went outta buzzinus
[10:11] <dangermouse> so?
[10:12] <dangermouse> a) use alsa
[10:12] <kisain> why would that make it cheap and why are you so harsh?
[10:12] <kisain> ok
[10:12] <dangermouse> probably also want dmixer or something
[10:12] <dangermouse> because it cost you nothing
[10:12] <dangermouse> ibm always makes cheap crap
[10:12] <dangermouse> remember the PS2?
[10:12] <kisain> yea
[10:12] <dangermouse> crap
[10:13] <kisain> the biggest falure technology has ever contrived
[10:13] <kisain> i hated them systems
[10:13] <dangermouse> nah
[10:13] <dangermouse> VMS
[10:13] <dangermouse> now that was sheer poo
[10:13] <kisain> they where so horrible
[10:13] <kisain> vms?
[10:13] <buz> VMS?
[10:13] <dangermouse> yeah, vax stuff
[10:13] <kisain> now thats one i haven't herd of
[10:13] <buz> VMS might just about be the most stable system ever
[10:14] <dangermouse> doesn't mean it wasn't crap
[10:14] <buz> there are vax stations with 15years uptime
[10:14] <kisain> lol
[10:14] <dangermouse> plan9 = crap
[10:14] <buz> well it surely was obscure
[10:14] <dangermouse> not so much
[10:14] <dangermouse> obscure to a unixer, maybe
[10:14] <kisain> yea i never herd of vms befor
[10:14] <dangermouse> as much as unix is obscure to a windowser i imagine
[10:14] <kisain> i do have a ps2 though
[10:14] <kisain> it's fun to screw with it
[10:14] <kisain> and it's archaic
[10:14] <buz> doesnt that give you electrict shocks???
[10:15] <kisain> gross :P
[10:15] <dangermouse> 'like a lion kills an antilope'
[10:16] <dangermouse> hehe
[10:16] <kisain> this i don't understand how come i can't filx the sound isshue
[10:16] <buz> its a hardware problem
[10:16] <kisain> i have a programm called teamspeak
[10:16] <kisain> everytime it runs no other sound will
[10:16] <dangermouse> because
[10:16] <dangermouse> you only have 2 channels
[10:16] <dangermouse> left and right
[10:17] <dangermouse> if you had, oh, 32 or so, it would work
[10:17] <dangermouse> for up to 16 programs simultaneously, anyway
[10:17] <kisain> yea so??
[10:17] <kisain> windows can do it why not linux?
[10:17] <dangermouse> linux CAN too
[10:17] <kisain> i know windows sucks but still
[10:17] <dangermouse> oss CAN too
[10:17] <dangermouse> you'd have to buy it
[10:17] <dangermouse> OR use alsa
[10:17] <dangermouse> and dmixer
[10:17] <dangermouse> see
[10:17] <kisain> i'd have to by oss
[10:17] <dangermouse> windows applications don't play to the sound card
[10:17] <kisain> and whats dmixer
[10:17] <dangermouse> they play to *A* program
[10:18] <dangermouse> which is THE program using the soundcard
[10:18] <kisain> oh i see they run sound diffrently on linux
[10:18] <kisain> ahhh
[10:18] <kisain> ok 
[10:18] <dangermouse> so, since everybody in the world runs windows, they decided to strip out multichannel support.
[10:18] <dangermouse> no
[10:18] <dangermouse> god dude
[10:18] <dangermouse> they have *one way*
[10:18] <dangermouse> linux has that method too
[10:18] <kisain> i am a linux n00b so exuse me
[10:18] <dangermouse> well, there's ESD, aRts, and NAS
[10:18] <dangermouse> but
[10:19] <dangermouse> TS2 uses a direct hardware connection-ish thinger
[10:19] <dangermouse> so you need dmixer
[10:19] <dangermouse> again
[10:19] <dangermouse> dmixer
[10:19] <dangermouse> set it up
[10:19] <kisain> oh ok
[10:19] <dangermouse> dmixer
[10:19] <kisain> do i have to download it first?/
[10:19] <dangermouse> D to tha MIXER
[10:19] <dangermouse> jfgi
[10:20] <dangermouse> go here:
[10:20] <dangermouse> google.com
[10:20] <dangermouse> type in: dmixer
[10:20] <dangermouse> and whack I'm feeling lucky
[10:20] <dangermouse> skip step1, it comes with ubuntu
[10:20] <dangermouse> or maybe not, i dunno
[10:22] <kisain> lol it's ok
[10:23] <kisain> well it's doin somethin
[10:23] <kisain> it got something called alsaplayer
[10:33] <kisain> ok i found out that dmixer dosen't work :/
[10:33] <kisain> i installed it
[10:33] <kisain> and there is no diffrence
[10:34] <kisain> :(
[10:34] <kisain> if ts is running no other sound will
[10:35] <dangermouse> molvania...
[10:35] <dangermouse> you installed it huh
[10:36] <dangermouse> you read the howto
[10:36] <kisain> yea
[10:36] <dangermouse> and did as it said
[10:36] <dangermouse> yes?
[10:36] <kisain> it means nothing to me
[10:36] <dangermouse> and it doesn't work?
[10:36] <dangermouse> okay
[10:36] <dangermouse> then you're ever so gently screwed
[10:36] <kisain> just a bunch of stuff i don't know how to do
[10:36] <kisain> lol
[10:36] <dangermouse> alright
[10:36] <dangermouse> is you sister nearby?
[10:36] <dangermouse> i bet she can do it
[10:37] <kisain> i don't have a sister
[10:37] <dangermouse> okay
[10:37] <dangermouse> do it better
[10:37] <dangermouse> anyway
[10:37] <dangermouse> which part don't you understand
[10:37] <kisain> dude give me a freakin break here i got stuck with windows most of my life
[10:37] <kisain> so to use linux i am learning from scratch ok?
[10:37] <kisain> jeeze
[10:37] <dangermouse> which part don't you understand <-
[10:37] <kisain> none of it ok
[10:38] <dangermouse> good
[10:38] <dangermouse> skip to step 5
[10:38] <kisain> thank you for succsefully makeing me feel dumb
[10:38] <dangermouse> no problem
[10:38] <dangermouse> anyway step 5 has a config file
[10:38] <kisain> asshole
[10:38] <dangermouse> hehe
[10:38] <dangermouse> he's right though
[10:40] <bigbill52a> my kubuntu crashes with the screen replaced with slowly blinking grey boxes...the keyboard crashes at the same time so that you cannot exit the xserver
[10:41] <bigbill52a> sometimes music will continue playing and once a cd burned to the end
[10:42] <bigbill52a> has anyone else experienced this problem
[10:42] <kisain> can anyone else beside dangerass help me
[10:42] <kisain> and don't bother talkin to me either i blocked you
[10:43] <uniq> kisain: what was your problem again? 
[10:44] <kisain> i am having a problem configureing dmixer 
[10:44] <kisain> to let my sound card use multiple programs
[10:44] <kisain> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[10:44] <uniq> which programs? 
[10:44] <dangermouse> multiple programs use the soundcard
[10:44] <uniq> can't you use artsdsp? 
[10:44] <kisain> and thank you for helping me it's very nice of you
[10:44] <dangermouse> not with ts2
[10:44] <kisain> i don't know
[10:44] <kisain> tghe program is teamspeak
[10:45] <Blissex> kisain: wait a sec...
[10:45] <kisain> when it's running no other sound is produced
[10:45] <kisain> ok
[10:45] <uniq> ok.. i don't know anything about teamspeak.
[10:45] <Blissex> kisain: http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2#sharing
[10:45] <dangermouse> dmix + dsnoop = solution
[10:45] <dangermouse> i tried to help and he just started calling me names
[10:46] <kisain> ok reading it now thanx ^_^
[10:46] <Blissex> kisain: http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2#ossEmulation
[10:47] <Blissex> dangermouse: you have been a tiny it annoying though while helping... :-)
[10:47] <dangermouse> *bit
[10:47] <dangermouse> pay me more, i'll do better next time chief.
[10:47] <dangermouse> i'm taking the time to help
[10:47] <dangermouse> he doesn't want to read the documentation *I* had to find for him
[10:48] <dangermouse> not only does he want direction
[10:48] <dangermouse> he wants a lift
[10:48] <dangermouse> he can kindly bite it
[10:48] <kisain> see i'm so new that it lost me after the first paragraph lol
[10:48] <kisain> >.<
[10:48] <dangermouse> don't give me a hard time, i was just leading the horse to water
[10:49] <dangermouse> look, mac... why don't you read the Alsa howto start to finish
[10:49] <uniq> dangermouse: be nice, accept that people need detailed directions. We all did once.
[10:49] <kisain> i'm so new i just don't know what info is relevent to me
[10:49] <dangermouse> it's the best way to understand how alsa works
[10:49] <dangermouse> in short, you have two options:  buy a new, better soundcard, OR, setup alsa, dmix, dsnoop, and asym.
[10:49] <dangermouse> uniq: but some of us were initiated, weren't we?
[10:50] <kisain> it seems so complex goddamn you bill gates
[10:50] <kisain> for dumbing us windows users down
[10:50] <dangermouse> 'be nice'...  you know i have two outstanding ubuntu issues without any responses
[10:50] <kisain> :Pp
[10:51] <dangermouse> where's *my* love, support, and attention?
[10:51] <dangermouse> :(
[10:51] <dangermouse> kisain: it's actually mostly OSS's fault
[10:51] <dangermouse> making their trash the 'standard' before alsa had a chance
[10:51] <dangermouse> alsa SHOULD come preconfigured with dmix/dsnoop on ubuntu, at least i say so.
[10:52] <dangermouse> and TS should never have had OSS in the first place
[10:52] <dangermouse> in short, this is about the worst Linux/Audio mess you'll ever have the displeasure of experiencing
[10:52] <_ron> Hey... I<m having some keyboard troubles, as you can see, loll... How do I change the keyboard layout to Canadian Multilingual Standard (cf) ?
[10:52] <dangermouse> canadian french?
[10:52] <dangermouse> in the control centre
[10:53] <kisain> what is the  /proc/asound/ tree.?
[10:53] <dangermouse> regional & accessibility
[10:53] <kisain> ://
[10:53] <_ron> It isn<t the right  one dangermouse 
[10:53] <dangermouse> kisain: you know what the proc is?
[10:53] <dangermouse> really?
[10:53] <dangermouse> the kb layout there?
[10:53] <dangermouse> one sec
[10:53] <dangermouse> i'll give it a shot
[10:54] <dangermouse> est-ce que vous un petite cornichon du francais?
[10:54] <_ron> I got it to work beautifully on gnome... but I can<t figure it out on kds
[10:54] <dangermouse> Canadian
[10:54] <_ron> lol suis traducteur....
[10:55] <dangermouse> French Canadian too?
[10:55] <dangermouse> setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout ca -variant fr
[10:55] <_ron> yeah
[10:56] <dangermouse> doesn't work you say
[10:56] <dangermouse> alright then, lets try this
[10:56] <_piotr> hi all
[10:56] <_piotr> how do I get into administration mode under control center
[10:56] <amu> ztonzy: did you tried knet?
[10:56] <_piotr> it doesnt seem to work because it doesn use sudo
[10:56] <ztonzy> amu, tried... kppp, gnome-ppp  but failed
[10:56] <ztonzy> amu, knet what is that ?
[10:57] <dangermouse> Franais!
[10:57] <dangermouse> J suis!
[10:57] <dangermouse> seems to work
[10:57] <_ron> dangermouse: mais pas comme la normale
[10:57] <dangermouse> i used French Canadian, ca_enhanced
[10:57] <_ron> Canadian Multilingual Standard... 
[10:57] <_ron> that<s what microsoft calls it
[10:57] <dangermouse> ...
[10:58] <_ron> I got it to work on gnome
[10:58] <_ron> It is a slightly different layout
[10:58] <dangermouse> weird
[10:58] <amu>  The Knet is a frontend to pppd. It is designed primarily
[10:58] <amu>  for xDSL accounts, but dial-up is currently supported.
[10:58] <amu>  PPTP, ISDN, Cable are planned for up coming releases.
[10:58] <amu>  Knet features Multiple account support, multiple protocol
[10:58] <amu>  support, Modem scanning and Modem configuration utilities.
[10:59] <dangermouse> and it's standard, you say?
[10:59] <_ron> Yes 
[11:00] <dangermouse> i wonder how gnome managed it...
[11:00] <_ron> me too
[11:00] <_ron> I guess I will just have to learn a new keyboard layout
[11:00] <_ron> poff
[11:00] <ztonzy> amu, hmmm,  well...it seems that some ISP doesn't like other than Windows/MS dialup tool/setting...
[11:00] <_piotr> what to do be in administrator mode under control centre?
[11:01] <_piotr> anybody knows?
[11:01] <dangermouse> in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/
[11:01] <dangermouse> if you can find it, that would be a great start
[11:01] <dangermouse> there we go, dvorak on my laptop
[11:01] <dangermouse> nice... it's a first for me :)
[11:01] <_ron> lol
[11:02] <dangermouse> _piotr: what for, may i ask?
[11:02] <_piotr> to change configuration under networking/samba
[11:02] <_piotr> domain group
[11:02] <uniq> kisain: maybe this can help you somehow: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=34
[11:03] <amu> ztonzy: *g* dont use this kind of isp 
[11:03] <ztonzy> amu, not me...my sister
[11:03] <ztonzy> trying to get here use linux
[11:03] <dangermouse> here's a juicy one, who remembers how to change the debconf 'question' method for dpkg?
[11:04] <dangermouse> like when you install, oh, say, mysql, it asks if you want to purge the databases on de-installation
[11:04] <dangermouse> right now, kynaptic asks those in dialogues
[11:04] <dangermouse> in a pts
[11:04] <_ron> dangermouse: is there a quick way to see a layout of the keyboard ?
[11:04] <dangermouse> in the background
[11:04] <dangermouse> not very useful
[11:04] <laser_tk> can somebody tell me, how to disable this?
[11:04] <laser_tk> http://koti.mbnet.fi/laser_tk/kde.jpg
[11:04] <dangermouse> _ron: sure, just select more than one
[11:04] <dangermouse> then it puts a little flag with a two-letter code for it in the tray
[11:04] <dangermouse> then when you click it, you can switch between them
[11:04] <dangermouse> or right click to configure or do other things
[11:05] <uniq> dangermouse: sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf
[11:05] <dangermouse> uniq: hardcore
[11:05] <dangermouse> i thought it would be an obscure command, too
[11:05] <_ron> dangermouse:  i mean to see a map of the keyboard.
[11:05] <dangermouse> i was about to check update-alternatives :)
[11:05] <dangermouse> _ron: oh, right.... no idea
[11:05] <_ron> lol
[11:05] <_ron> ty
[11:05] <dangermouse> _ron: maybe an on-screen keyboard
[11:05] <dangermouse> check the accessibility menu in the k area
[11:07] <_piotr> dangermouse:there is kubunut faq
[11:07] <_piotr> it says how to enable samba etc.
[11:08] <_piotr> i can do it from the command line but wanted to check it out the way it is written there
[11:08] <dangermouse> uirm
[11:08] <dangermouse> who said anything about samba
[11:08] <dangermouse> ohright!
[11:09] <_piotr> how ti share kubuntu folders out to windows.. click through control senter-> internet &network -> file sharing -> administration mode
[11:09] <dangermouse> K->Run: kdesu kcontrol
[11:09] <_piotr> this doesnt work
[11:09] <_piotr> ok cool thx
[11:09] <dangermouse> and you disable tooltips in Style->Style->Enable tooltips (uncheck)
[11:09] <_piotr> cause kcontrol wouldnt work with sudu because of X permissions. no idea how to change that
[11:10] <dangermouse> which does nothing for those task buttons it seems
[11:11] <_piotr> why isnt kget installed by default by the way?
[11:11] <dangermouse> who would use it?
[11:14] <_piotr> dangermouse: me
[11:14] <_piotr> still better than nothing isnt it?
[11:14] <_piotr> at least it resumes downloads
[11:14] <_piotr> not everyone knows about wget
[11:14] <dangermouse> i'm just making my point now, actually
[11:15] <dangermouse> YOU would use it, and i wouldn't.
[11:15] <dangermouse> anyway, it's not much of a chore to install it :)
[11:15] <_ron> So um, may I continue to bother you and ask you how to get the sound working? lol
[11:16] <dangermouse> well it's a simple matter for me
[11:16] <_piotr> dangermouse: i understand but its part of kde isnt it
[11:16] <dangermouse> i simply power-up
[11:16] <dangermouse> _piotr: is it?  i didn't know that
[11:16] <_ron> lol
[11:16] <dangermouse> in that case it makes sense
[11:16] <_piotr> dangermouse: sure
[11:17] <dangermouse> what doesn't make sense is how it's part of kde in the first place
[11:17] <_piotr> dangermouse: just asked at #kde. included since 3.0 so I wandered why it wasnt installed by default
[11:17] <kisain> found a linux for dummies pdf book for free online yay!
[11:17] <kisain> ^_^
[11:17] <dangermouse> _ron: did you get arts running in your control centre => sound system?
[11:17] <_piotr> dangermouse: lol
[11:17] <dangermouse> enable it and test it?
[11:17] <dangermouse> maybe it's a legacy thing
[11:18] <dangermouse> nobody told the kubuntu guys yet :P
[11:18] <_ron> dangermouse: arts??
[11:18] <dangermouse> _ron: that's the kde sound daemon
[11:19] <_ron> I have never heard of that. loll
[11:19] <_ron> help?
[11:19] <dangermouse> click the big K in the bottom left
[11:19] <_ron> ok
[11:19] <_ron> lol
[11:19] <dangermouse> click Control Centre, or, Centre de configuration de KDE
[11:20] <_ron> (the latter ok)
[11:20] <dangermouse> ok, Son et multimedia
[11:20] <_ron> ok
[11:20] <dangermouse> Systeme de sons
[11:20] <_ron> ok
[11:20] <dangermouse> Activer le systeme sonore
[11:20] <dangermouse> (check)
[11:20] <dangermouse> Et Appliquer
[11:21] <dangermouse> Voila
[11:21] <dangermouse> teste le son aussi
[11:21] <dangermouse> tester*
[11:21] <dangermouse> (testies?)
[11:21] <_ron> see #flood
[11:21] <dangermouse> ah.
[11:21] <dangermouse> what soundcard is it
[11:22] <_ron> Intel Onboard
[11:22] <dangermouse> try: modprobe intel-8x0
[11:22] <dangermouse> err
[11:22] <_ron> pas trouve
[11:22] <dangermouse> try: modprobe snd-intel8x0
[11:22] <kisain> is anything in this link relevent to what i'm using?
[11:22] <kisain> http://www.groovyweb.uklinux.net/?page_name=unixcommands
[11:23] <uniq> kisain: yes, most if not all are relevant.
[11:23] <dangermouse> et: modprobe snd-intel8x0m
[11:24] <kisain> damnit
[11:24] <kisain> arggh
[11:24] <kisain> oh you mean i can use that info lol
[11:24] <dangermouse> Le carte est PCI?
[11:24] <_ron> ouis
[11:24] <dangermouse> hmm
[11:25] <dangermouse> et dmesg?
[11:25] <dangermouse> is the card detected properly?
[11:25] <dangermouse> by ubuntu
[11:25] <_ron> je lecherche
[11:25] <dangermouse> k
[11:25] <dangermouse> mais, tu sais
[11:25] <dangermouse> je ne parle francais
[11:25] <_ron> oh ol
[11:26] <kisain> http://www.click-now.net/ebooks03.htm
[11:26] <dangermouse> :P
[11:26] <dangermouse> un peu
[11:26] <kisain> found this looking for ebooks on linux
[11:26] <dangermouse> ahh now then
[11:26] <dangermouse> une petite fille pour moi :D
[11:27] <dangermouse> bon chance, un moment
[11:27] <_ron> oki
[11:28] <_ron> dangermouse: I can<t seem to see the card in dmesg
[11:29] <xxenon> is the kopete update available in breezy as well ?
[11:30] <_ron> xxenon: I do not know.
[11:30] <uniq> no, but you can use the hoary packages.
[11:31] <xxenon> is there a web interface like packages.debian.org for kubuntu ?
[11:31] <uniq> packages.ubuntu.com
[11:31] <xxenon> thx
[11:32] <_ron> dangermouse: Under pci the sound scare is there... Intel Corp. 82801FB Hi-Def Audio
[11:34] <xxenon> hmm I still have the MSN error
[11:34] <_ron> mee too
[11:35] <transgress> is there a way to remove all aliases in kopete so it just goes back to the default screenname?  that seems to be causing a problem with sending and recieving messages
[11:35] <xxenon> I installed kopete_3.4.0-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:35] <transgress> xxenon: did you apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:35] <xxenon> transgress - no, I only installed the new package manually.
[11:35] <uniq> xxenon: you want kopete_3.4.0-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
[11:35] <dangermouse> _ron: odd that..
[11:36] <dangermouse> _ron: did either of those modules install soundly?
[11:36] <xxenon> uniq - where do I find that ?
[11:36] <transgress> do what i said\
[11:36] <uniq> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/%7Ejr/kubuntu/kdenetwork/kopete_3.4.0-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
[11:36] <xxenon> k
[11:36] <_ron> dangermouse:  I sudoed both of them with no feedback
[11:37] <dangermouse> even at the bottom of dmesg?
[11:37] <xxenon> uniq - how come it's not appearing in the packages search ?
[11:37] <dangermouse> try restarting your soundsystem in kde again anyway, for good measure, it may have worked (probably did)
[11:37] <dangermouse> just uncheck and check it, then hit apply again
[11:37] <_ron> same error
[11:37] <uniq> xxenon: it's in hoary-updates packages.ubutnu.com probalby don't index the updates section.
[11:37] <xxenon> uniq - okay.
[11:38] <Riddell> we also now have http://kubuntu.org/hoary-updates/
[11:38] <dangermouse> bummer
[11:38] <dangermouse> laptop?
[11:39] <_ron> nope
[11:39] <_ron> and I had this working in gnome
[11:39] <dangermouse> aha
[11:39] <_ron> using oss
[11:39] <dangermouse> still using oss?
[11:39] <dangermouse> what have you changed since then?
[11:39] <uniq> riddell: nice.
[11:40] <_ron> Harddrive was formatted due to Window conversion... now I have converted to Kubuntuianism
[11:40] <dangermouse> now we have a painintheassism
[11:40] <_ron> yes
[11:40] <_ron> lol
[11:40] <dangermouse> i suggest you poke around ubuntuforums.org
[11:40] <dangermouse> plop in the card id
[11:42] <Diablo-D3> heh
[11:42] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: I wish dbus would quit sucking
[11:42] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: what's wrong with it?
[11:42] <uniq> riddell: i can compile those updates for amd64.. if you want me to.
[11:42] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: constant api breakage
[11:42] <Riddell> uniq: ah, that requires the setting up of a multiple arch repository
[11:43] <Diablo-D3> I would hate g++ too, but I think Ill blame the c++ spec on that
[11:43] <Diablo-D3> for allowing such retardation to happen
[11:44] <_ron> xxenon: did you ever get it working?
[11:44] <uniq> riddell: yes, that's what i'm thinking of.. we should provide updates for all the supported arches. imho.
[11:45] <Riddell> uniq: that's all good, I just don't know how to set up the deb repository for that
[11:46] <uniq> me neither.. yet.
[11:46] <Riddell> can't be difficult I'm sure
[11:51] <Pupeno> While making the package for sbcl, it failed to sign it (http://paste.lisp.org/display/8472). Did this abort other tasks or the packages are ready just that the .dsc file is not signed ? If so, I may just sign it and I'm done, right ?
[11:52] <uniq> riddell: take a look at the package called 'reprepro'
[11:52] <_piotr> anybody running kubuntu on a powerbook or ibook?
[11:53] <uniq> I will be.. in a few days.
[11:53] <uniq> amu is.
[11:53] <Pupeno> _piotr: me too, but not one of those.
[11:53] <amu> yep
[11:54] <_piotr> Pupeno: doesnt run well?
[11:54] <_piotr> does ist run well?
[11:54] <_piotr> ah.. ist = is
[11:54] <_piotr> does it run well?
[11:54] <_piotr> know its right
[11:54] <Riddell> uniq: can't see that package
[11:54] <_piotr> now
[11:54] <Pupeno> _piotr: I don't think I can afford them, they are hard to find here, I'll pay for software I'm not interesed in and I have the extra problem of an uncommon architecture (I like playing with 'weird' compilers).
[11:55] <__P__3> wow after the new upgrade 2/3 of kde is out :D
[11:55] <_piotr> yes thats why Im not sure about it
[11:55] <Pupeno> _piotr: what will you use it for ?
[11:55] <_piotr> but since so many linux coders have an ibook powerbook
[11:55] <_piotr> I thought that linux might run nicely
[11:55] <_piotr> as everything
[11:56] <uniq> riddell: oh.. it's probably just in breezy 
[11:56] <uniq> http://mirrorer.alioth.debian.org/
[11:56] <_piotr> Im changing my apartment and this pc will stay with my brother
[11:56] <_piotr> so I need a new computer.. and I thought that a notebook would be fine
[11:56] <amu> _piotr: kubuntu on ibooks or powerbooks everything works out of the box, expect wlan
[11:57] <_piotr> Pupeno: and at university.. ther internet rooms are always full but there is wireless lan all around
[11:57] <_piotr> i need wlan actually
[11:57] <_piotr> at university..
[11:58] <amu> than you need a usb or pcmica card for it, there's no linuxdriver for it
[11:58] <_piotr> I was told that wlan under mac works 10 000 times better than under pc
[11:58] <amu> ...for extreme
[11:58] <_piotr> oh no
[11:58] <_piotr> really not?
[11:58] <_piotr> apple doesnt want to give out information about thier wlan?
[11:58] <amu> airport works ( 11mbit ) the new extreme doesnt work
[11:58] <_piotr> cards..
[11:58] <_piotr> I understand
[11:59] <_piotr> amu: is anybody working on that.. any chance that it will be ready in some months?
[11:59] <amu> nope they will never give info's out, a reason could be, those specs are used by the .us mil.
[11:59] <_piotr> amu: because I have to work hard to get the money anyway..
[11:59] <amu> _piotr: it will never work 
[11:59] <_piotr> amu: oh noooo
[12:00] <Pupeno> possible, from some linux-friendly vendor.
[12:00] <amu> _piotr: as i said, use a extern dev, like a usb or pcmica wireless card
[12:00] <_piotr> k or get a x86 notebook
[12:00] <uniq> i'm getting the ibook 12" and a dwl-122 usb-wlan.
[12:01] <amu> x86 :) never 
[12:01] <Pupeno> or go and get a sparcbook... *sighs*
[12:02] <_piotr> amu: so what notebook do you habe
[12:02] <_piotr> have