[12:03] in /etc/hotplug.d afaik [12:05] <\sh> in hotplug.d/default is only 10-udev.hotplug and 20-hal.hotplug and default.hotplug [12:07] yes, because the kernel triggers the loading of the modules through hotplug via udev... [12:07] you might be able to override that somewhere... [12:08] <\sh> i think i have to check /etc/hotplug === Pupeno [~Pupeno@host109.201-252-4.telecom.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Marble2 [~Marble@CPE-24-163-214-72.mn.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CircuitRider [~chatzilla@adsl-65-43-144-150.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:09] Hello [12:12] hi [12:13] I work with Lisp, so, for me, it is important to have recent versions of sbcl, slime, and lots of other packages related to Lisp. Ubuntu packages are outdated so I'm planning to make new packages whenever is possible. I notice for example, that there are some newer Lisp-related packages on Debian. So, what do you recomend me to do ? [12:13] <\sh> hehe..the next article on my blog will be the official "hello planet" article :) [12:13] <\sh> hidden message ;) [12:13] heh [12:14] <\sh> Pupeno: [00:13] Pupeno: you should become a MOTU and help to maintain the packages [12:14] <\sh> Pupeno: say: Yes I will [12:14] Pupeno, they will show up in breezy [12:14] if they are in debian [12:15] ogra: Ok, but I need them now on ubuntu 5.04 (I'm not reclaiming them, I just want to take the path that bests helps the community, because I am going to take one path or another). [12:16] <\sh> Pupeno: build the package for hoary and breezy [12:16] ogra: If they are going to end up in breezy, I could set up my own repository of breezy lispy packages, or even help getting them into breezy, I'm not sure about that. [12:16] <\sh> Pupeno: and help your packages to become part of breezy [12:16] you could even maintain them in breezy if you like.... [12:17] ogra: I won't be able to run breezy, I only have one computer and I need it running to work. [12:17] \sh: yes, that's a possibility. Thank you. [12:17] <\sh> Pupeno: run a breezy chroot for dev work on breezy (like me) and have hoary as productive enviroment [12:18] yeah [12:18] \sh: that can be a good alternative... but I don't know how to do it, is there anywhere I can read about it ? [12:18] no need to run breezy [12:18] <\sh> ogra: yeah...pbuilder env is also an alternative :) [12:18] yop [12:19] <\sh> Pupeno: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources [12:19] but in a rel chroot you can also test them [12:19] real even === count0nz [~phillip@60-234-131-154.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:19] <\sh> orga: thats why I'm running breezy in chroot :) but is sometimes a pit ;) [12:19] <\sh> and I fall ;) === ogra runs breezy fulltime in production.... [12:20] Hi all === chiefofthejojo1 [~bpitcher@216.70.250.130] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:20] <\sh> ogra: if kde is running :) I will switch :) [12:20] what else should i run to produce breezy :) [12:20] <\sh> 2005.0 ? [12:20] <\sh> hehe [12:21] hi count0nz === bradb [~bradb@modemcable087.14-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:21] <\sh> btw..do u have a gimp script for those hackergotchi stuff? [12:21] nope [12:22] I have read the wiki page's :) (good boy i am), anyone packageing, xdtv, xawdecode, xawdecode-plugins ? [12:23] <\sh> ogra: that's why I was always bad in arts at school [12:23] \sh, i do it manually.... and i think you wont get a edge detection that is good enough to cut out the shape of the head automatically [12:24] i also adjust some colors or fix little one or the other little uglyness... you cant automate that [12:24] <\sh> strike freud is my friend [12:24] and if not (i don't want to do what someone else is doing) xawdecode-plugins is a grey area whuld that goto restricted somehow ? [12:24] <\sh> " Nobody is perfect, and I'm Nobody. Hehe..yeah, today it happened. My Ubunut server crashed." [12:24] <\sh> was is wrong here [12:24] <\sh> I will go to bed :( [12:24] you are perfect ? oh, man... [12:25] <\sh> Ubunut server [12:25] ehe [12:25] cant you correct it ? [12:26] <\sh> sure...already did [12:26] it takes some time until planet refreshes it :) [12:26] count0nz, i'm lnot aware of anyone packaging it yet [12:27] <\sh> when is the reread time? [12:27] no idea [12:27] ogra, kewl i don't want to tread on anyones toes [12:27] count0nz, you cant, we have no personalized packages in ubuntu :) [12:27] <\sh> /etc/init.d/hotplog stop [12:27] <\sh> another one [12:27] plog ? [12:27] heh [12:28] :) kewl [12:28] just some good tv apps that work well and want to help share the love :) [12:28] <\sh> i think this girl at hosteurope made me a bit how can I say...good looking and was quite interessted in the linux running on my box [12:30] count0nz, sounds great [12:30] \sh, i havent even seen the new hosteurope DC, i wouldnt know where to drive if my server crashed ;) [12:31] <\sh> ogra: if u have time tomorrow I could give u a clue :) [12:31] ogra, do you know what the xawdecode-plugins do tho i don't know if we are allowed to host it its GPL but its for decodeing pay tv what is the policy on that ? [12:31] <\sh> count0nz: decoding pay tv? [12:31] <\sh> what is different between paytv and dtv broadcast [12:32] yes... it descramples payTV (Analog tv signals [12:32] count0nz, does it include any keys or something like that ... patented algorhythms etc ? [12:32] <\sh> u mean it removes macrovision? [12:32] ogra, no its uses brute force attack [12:32] <\sh> not allowed [12:32] <\sh> ogra: old premiere scrambling method over analog tv [12:33] ah, yes... [12:33] <\sh> and removing macrovision [12:33] <\sh> not dtv unscrambling [12:33] <\sh> quite useless in germany anyways [12:33] not satalight i don't think many places use the older systems anyore [12:33] uhh, thats illegal as libdecss2 .... i doubt we can pull it in.... [12:33] np [12:34] count0nz, could you write a mail to the ubuntu-devel list about that ? [12:34] its searchable on not if ppl want it thay will find it [12:34] yes i will [12:34] <\sh> count0nz: it's something else if you provide it on your own repos [12:34] great, so we can hear other opinions about it [12:34] <\sh> or if it's distributed via CD where a company is in charge [12:35] \sh, if its not totally illegal we can include it ... but that has to be determined [12:35] cos persionly i don't think its a big issue cos like we have restricted sets but i don't know i havent been in U long enough to know what it whuld be considered as [12:36] np [12:36] <\sh> ogra: the problem will be: the different laws :) what's allowed in china is not allowed in us or ermany or za ;) [12:36] <\sh> in us even reverse engineering is not allowed and brute force also not ;) [12:37] \sh, same goes for other things too... thats why debian has non-us repos [12:37] <\sh> what about a different approach to this case [12:38] <\sh> I mean libdecss2 is only forbidden in this state of "illegal stuff", but if someone pays license fee for the algorythm [12:38] <\sh> -y+i [12:38] i'll email the devel people and see what happens [12:38] <\sh> it could be legal. [12:39] its as i say very grey [12:39] <\sh> so why not make an official ubuntu dvd player ;) [12:40] <\sh> with legal stuff attached :) fees payed...and 2-5 eur per download :) so we could pay the next ubuntu release party worldwide ;) [12:40] funny thing is here like the uk (nz) you have to pay a TV licence to even watch TV but on a pc you can watch tv without a tv (useing a tv tuner card) lol [12:41] <\sh> count0nz: this will change [12:41] <\sh> count0nz: in germany it's going to change at least next year [12:41] <\sh> count0nz: u have to pay a tv fee for computers just like for tvs [12:41] yes lol its kinds funny... i listen to Radio Excluvely via net now [12:41] \sh, wow [12:42] do you have a Radio licence there also ? [12:42] <\sh> count0nz: at least you pay this fee, cause u are _able_ to receive tv or radio streams via internet or with a tuner card [12:42] true [12:42] <\sh> it's called GEZ fee :) for the public tv/radio senders === count0nz watchs \sh break his box [12:45] <\sh> yeah..troubled me this evening [12:46] another pet project of mine is a Thin Client project based on U :) === count0nz going to start wrteing up guides on seting up mail server etc.... :) add to wiki :) [12:48] <\sh> messages:May 19 14:48:38 server3 kernel: ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: wakeup [12:48] <\sh> messages:May 19 14:48:38 server3 kernel: ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: wakeup [12:48] <\sh> messages:May 19 14:49:08 server3 kernel: ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: wakeup [12:48] <\sh> ogra: [12:48] <\sh> this is the real message [12:48] what did google say ? [12:50] <\sh> hmmm [12:50] <\sh> several hits concerning usb sticks [12:51] Here's sbcl 0.9 packaged for Debian: http://people.debian.org/~pvaneynd/cl-packages/sbcl/ can I take that and re-package it for ubuntu ? [12:51] <\sh> different occurances in redhat, mandriva debian etc. [12:51] <|QuaD-_> are current packages compiled with gcc4 or 3.3? [12:53] <\sh> for breezy gcc4 should be the default [12:53] Pupeno, rather contact the guy who packaged it in debian and ask him if he can get it in time into debian [12:54] so we can just sync it... [12:54] ogra: nope, this was packaged after the freeze: he says: "To keep the momentum in the cl packages during the freeze I created a apt-getables repository." [12:55] <|QuaD-_> \sh: so are they working on compiling all current packages with gcc4 or just as new packages are added [12:55] where can I see (download/recompile) what packages are currently there on Breeze ? [12:55] sarge will probably release before breezy, so chances are good that we can pull it from sid then [12:56] dunno if breezy is already included, but you could try packages.ubuntu.com ;) [12:57] <\sh> |QuaD-_: check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyToolchainTransition === jinty [~jinty@haydn.debian.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] sbcl on breezy is old as well. [12:59] <\sh> ogra: i think I know what the problem is...I saw it in early releases of 2.4 and 2.6 [01:00] <\sh> there r some mainboards who r reporting wrong idents for their usb devices. [01:00] <\sh> kernel thinks it's an compaq usb device and tries to initialize it [01:00] Pupeno, it was synced on may 9 the last time from sid [01:00] <\sh> but there is no compaq usb device so it failes [01:01] <\sh> mostly a bios bug [01:01] hmm, possible [01:01] ogra: Ok, I just need those packages so I'm going to make them work on hoary. [01:01] <\sh> Pupeno: make them work on breezy :) [01:01] <\sh> and for hoary :) [01:01] <\sh> hoary for yourself, breezy for the masses :) [01:02] \sh: I need them to start working, so, I'm just going to make them work on hoary now, and latter, I'll see what can I do. [01:03] <|QuaD-_> \sh: so they are currently converting the libs to gcc 4.0? [01:03] you should be able to build them without problems... [01:04] <\sh> |QuaD-_: and to g++4 yes [01:04] a simple fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage should be enough [01:04] ogra: when I find out how to build them ;) I'm 100% new to dev (I know portage and rpm though). [01:04] <\sh> Pupeno: url to the source? [01:05] \sh: I don't know, this is all I know: http://pvaneynd.blogspot.com/ [01:05] Pupeno, first get all build dependencys, i guess hey will be similar between the versions... [01:05] Pupeno, get them with: sudo apt-get build-dep sbcl [01:05] then put the source in one dir.... [01:06] install build-essential, fakeroot and devscripts [01:06] then go into the dir with the source files and run: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage *.dsc [01:06] thats all === Pupeno saves that. [01:07] you'll find the .deb in the above dir [01:08] install it with: sudo dpkg -i *.deb === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] <|QuaD-_> how do i get involved with ubuntu-motu? [01:11] |QuaD-_, arent you already ? [01:11] <|QuaD-_> ogra: how do i become a member? [01:11] <|QuaD-_> ogra: i am not a member yet [01:11] i mean you are here daily... what better start do you want ;) [01:11] <|QuaD-_> ogra: haha yeah, i want to start packaging, etc [01:12] <|QuaD-_> ogra: give back some :) [01:12] help with some packages, fix bugs, write a howto, make a background image etc [01:12] any contribution counts for membership.... [01:12] <|QuaD-_> ogra: how do i help with packages or fix ugs? [01:12] |QuaD-_: in most free software project, you do and then you get the label, not the other way arround. [01:13] pick a bug in malone... look at the package, fix the bug, make a patch, attach it to the bug :) [01:13] <|QuaD-_> ogra: is there a tutorial on how to start> === |QuaD-_ has never packaged anything [01:14] look at the MOTU wiki page, there are some links and the debian new maintainers guide is a good start too [01:14] <|QuaD-_> is there a link to malone? [01:14] |QuaD-_, this is usefull researching myself :) [01:14] https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HelpingKubuntu [01:14] (ignore the K :) lol [01:14] yay, I'm on breezy now! [01:15] <|QuaD-_> count0nz: haha :) thanks [01:15] ogra: whne you say the dir with the sources... what exactly are you talking about ? the original tarball or some kind of deb source ? [01:16] i'me new here (to U) and i think we need to sit down and write Lots of usefull Wiki pages [01:16] <\sh> ogra: universe has higher prio even if u put it into sources.list [01:16] HOWTO's [01:16] Add more packages [01:16] Fix Bugs [01:16] the stuff you downloaded... a debian source package should be a orig.tar.gz file, a diff.gz and a .dsc file [01:17] ogra: oks, thanks. [01:17] <\sh> Pupeno: 5mins :) [01:19] |QuaD-_, oh, btw first step to become a member is to create a wikipage about yourself if you havent already [01:20] <|QuaD-_> ogra: i should create a webpage before i actually do anything? [01:20] |QuaD-_, yes [01:20] <|QuaD-_> ogra: one thing i have been considering making for a while is a gui version of apt-cache, would that be useful? [01:20] |QuaD-_, a wikipage about yourself... who you are, what you do etc... [01:21] |QuaD-_, hmm, you mean a shrunk down synaptic ? [01:21] <|QuaD-_> ogra: yeah, synaptic you need root priveleges [01:21] <|QuaD-_> (i think) [01:21] you do [01:21] <|QuaD-_> so just a simple app to learn python [01:22] <\sh> huu [01:22] sure, sounds good [01:22] <\sh> Source: sbcl [01:22] <|QuaD-_> its nice having 2 weeks off :) [01:22] <\sh> Build-Depends: sbcl (>= 1:0.9.0.0-1) [01:23] <|QuaD-_> are there any nice ebooks for learning python and pygtk? [01:23] \sh: mh ? [01:23] <\sh> strange [01:23] |QuaD-_, this is a perfect example pag for a wiki page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DanielRobitaille [01:23] <\sh> a source which build-deps itself [01:24] <|QuaD-_> ogra: whoa, that is a pretty intense page [01:24] yep [01:24] \sh: don't you need gcc to build gcc ? [01:24] you need a c compiler to build gcc. [01:24] \sh: sbcl is a compiler as well as gcc :) [01:25] but gcc can be bootstrapped using many other compilers than itself. [01:25] <\sh> doesn't have gcc a bootstrap small c ? [01:25] Mithrandir: ok, technically, you need a common lisp compiler to build sbcl, but I don't know how true is that in practice. [01:25] \sh: that's probably the least coherent sentence I've seen today. :-) === CircuitRider [~chatzilla@adsl-65-43-144-150.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] <\sh> forget it i'm tired ;) [01:26] Pupeno: so it should build fine using (say) clisp? [01:26] <\sh> no [01:26] <\sh> not with this package [01:27] Mithrandir: I'm not sure. [01:27] <\sh> hmm... [01:27] \sh: that's another matter. [01:27] <\sh> i was sure, gcc can compile itself without anything else ;) [01:27] it's not uncommon to have to bootstrap a new port somewhat by hand [01:27] \sh: no, it can't. [01:27] <\sh> someday it will [01:28] \sh: no. [01:28] <\sh> don't say no :) [01:29] <\sh> I had a dream [01:29] \sh, apt-cache showsrc gcc-4.0 [01:29] look at the build-deps [01:29] <\sh> ogra: i fooling around now ;) [01:29] :) [01:30] <\sh> I'm === Firetech [~Firetech@h248n2fls302o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] <\sh> let me compile this piece of software for breezy [01:30] <\sh> it's just finished === \sh is playing "Father & Son" by Cat Stevens on Greatest Hits === Firetech [~Firetech@h248n2fls302o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] <\sh> Pupeno: stops with an error [01:36] <\sh> sbcl: in x86-arch [01:36] What error ? [01:36] <\sh> invalid lvalue in increment [01:36] <\sh> :88 :286 :273 [01:36] <\sh> u can try it under hoary [01:36] you probably need http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/sbcl/sbcl-0.9.0-x86-linux-binary.tar.bz2?download [01:37] <\sh> get the diff.gz, .dsc and orig.tar.gz or tar.gz [01:37] <\sh> i just installed the sbcl from breezy [01:37] <\sh> its good as build dep [01:37] \sh: 0.8.17 might not be able to build 0.9.0, you may need 0.9.0 to build 0.9.0 (weird, isn't it ? ;) [01:38] <\sh> why isn't it complaining [01:39] <\sh> ah [01:39] <\sh> reezy)shermann@shermann-laptop:~/breezy/lisp$ sbcl [01:39] <\sh> This is SBCL 0.9.0.39, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp. [01:39] <\sh> let me try something [01:40] <\sh> no wonder [01:41] <\sh> hehe [01:41] <\sh> 0.9.0.39 doesn't compile with 0.9.0.39 [01:41] hmm.. Freenode's website says that I have to identify myself (nickserv) atleast once every 60 days. Do I have to do that even if I'm connected to the network 24/7? (it's a little bit of wrong channel, but I thought you guys would know...) [01:42] <\sh> if you're identified u stay identified until u disconnect [01:42] <\sh> now i screwed up everything [01:43] I don't have to make a script to reidentify myself every 60 days then? ;) [01:43] <\sh> as i said [01:43] \sh: so, you manage to build it ? [01:44] <\sh> Pupeno: no... [01:44] <\sh> i used the binary from his page [01:44] woah, weird, there is a .core file in the tarball with the binary [01:44] its 23M [01:44] ok. [01:44] <\sh> and it was 0.9.0.39 [01:44] <\sh> so i tried to build sbcl 0.9.0.39 with itself :) [01:44] <\sh> and it throws errors [01:44] \sh: oh, that one didn't install on here, dependency problems. [01:44] <\sh> ogra: this lips stuff? [01:44] yep [01:45] <\sh> Pupeno: no problem here [01:45] in the surceforge download [01:45] <\sh> under breezy === ajmitch returns [01:45] <\sh> ogra: i used the package repos and dpkg-source -x *.dsc ;) [01:45] \sh, i looked at the sourceforge download Pupeno posted.... [01:46] ogra: that is the official binary distribution. [01:46] <\sh> but I'm really scared now [01:46] Pupeno, there is a .core file.... [01:46] its a huge download because of this ... [01:47] <\sh> http://www.basquiat.de/gallery/album01/kapple?full=1 this is absolutly nice and eyecandy [01:48] ogra: I believe that should be the main image or something like that. [01:48] <\sh> ogra: build errors when build with an actual version ;) [01:48] <\sh> Pupeno: use emacs my advice ;) [01:49] \sh: why do you say that ? [01:49] <\sh> Pupeno: cause of elisp ;) it's stable ;) [01:49] <\sh> just joking [01:49] Oh, one thing I can mention while I'm here... The version of KVIrc in Hoary Universe (2.1.3.1) is kinda old, and doesn't work with international characters. The .deb's on www.kvirc.net (3.2.0) works well in Hoary, though. [01:49] I use emacs to code common lisp, because slime rules :D [01:50] <\sh> Firetech: is it in debian unstable? [01:50] I don't know, but I'll check. [01:51] Pupeno, youre right, the core file is the actual binary... === count0nz Cry [01:51] arrg [01:51] \sh: it's only in experimental. === count0nz cry's oh that screenie is soooooooooooooooooo sexy :)) [01:51] <\sh> Firetech: then it will not be synced right now in breezy...lemme check later for 3.2.0 after cxx transition [01:52] ok [01:55] Hay Breezy got E yet or better E17 :) [01:55] well i know E16 is in hoary [01:56] <\sh> guys i need to go to bed... [01:56] <\sh> later this morning dudes [01:56] <\sh> g'night [01:56] well, good night then ;) [01:56] night \sh [01:57] building.... [01:57] bye \sh === Firetech goes crazy on kvirc-3.2.0-sarge2, and goes back to sarge1. [01:59] ok, it didn't work. [01:59] I've run `fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage`... I believe it would have worked if it respected my $PATH, any idea how I can do that ? [02:01] Mithrandir: according to sbcl's documentation, you can build it with clisp. [02:12] compiling :D === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] hi [03:50] salut [03:51] how goes the mono life? [03:56] fine thank [03:56] s [03:57] i just moved my desktop into my appartment [03:57] i might have to work on (sane) hoary mono backports :( === tritium [~tritium@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] for luis [03:57] and go-mono.com [03:58] might be better than a bunch of tools running breezy [04:01] are we talking 1.1.7 on hoary? [04:02] tseng: the words "sane" and "backport" don't fit in the same sentence. At least not for ubuntu [04:02] Burgundavia: maybe [04:02] tseng, your crazy, did you know that? [04:03] Burgundavia: i really want luis to wait and build his cd on breezy [04:03] but the forums people will love you [04:03] well, i wouldnt even consider it, but meebey is planning to do the same thing [04:03] for sarge [04:03] tseng, if you do, make sure that you coordinate with the backports people to remove 1.1.7 from their repo. I can do that if you wish [04:03] tseng: sarge backports make sense, given the speed of the release cycle... [04:04] hm [04:04] backported over a 6 month release cycle is mostly nuts [04:04] uh [04:04] they are backporting my 1.1.7 already? [04:04] im not a fan of that [04:04] tseng, I believe they have [04:05] its like, 70% there [04:05] hoary's been out for a month already. of course the forums people are busy backporting breezy to it [04:05] well last i looked they had 1.1.6 from debian experimental, which is a *bit* more sane [04:05] 1.1.7 broke some apps upstream, and we have a broken dbus binding for now [04:06] and im *sure* backports doesnt have nearly the "wealth" of knowledge on the subject that ive beaten into my head by now [04:06] tseng, yes they have [04:06] BUH [04:06] can i hurt them? [04:06] or is that in violation of the CoC [04:07] your target is jdong [04:07] "ZOMG FASTER BEAGLE THAT DOESNT WORK WITH DBUS!!!!ELEVENTEEN" [04:07] wow, the backports people have been busy [04:07] where is jdong? [04:07] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=780 [04:07] uh [04:08] i have to sign up to flame him? [04:08] tseng, no you can send him an email [04:08] hm rock on [04:09] Occupation: [04:09] High school student. [04:09] this will be a challenge [04:09] the other member of the backports team is jdodson [04:10] tseng, they usually don't backport things like mono [04:10] they actually are more sane then they look [04:11] uh dude [04:11] i read their changelog the other day [04:11] lets see if i can find it [04:12] #Pymusique supposedly still has dependency issues. [04:12] #./restricted/binary-i386/pymusique_0.5-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb [04:12] # adesklets plugins still don't work. Considering removal. [04:12] #./universe/binary-i386/adesklets_0.4.8-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb [04:12] their comments reguarly make me think they cant/dont read debian/* [04:12] and actually do some leg work [04:13] they are pulling stuff from unstable/experimental as well [04:14] yes [04:14] that is crazy [04:14] they had 1.1.6 before I did, or soon after [04:14] at least i dont see a bunch of ~ in their version strings today [04:14] oh wait [04:14] ./main/binary-i386/gaim-data_1.3.0-1~5.04ubp1_all.deb [04:14] wth is that? [04:15] (rhetorical question) [04:15] ill mail him sometime about smoking mono crack [04:15] is there a way we can force udp stuff to be overwritten at upgrade time? [04:19] we could, but i doubt any of the cannonical guys even want to give it that much mindshare [04:19] the issue is, backports exist [04:19] and people are using them [04:19] i think its definately a community issue that we have to deal with somehow [04:19] not in dpkg [04:19] therefor, we need to coordinate, so that they don't break upgrades [04:20] eh [04:20] i tell people not to use it *because* it breaks upgrade [04:20] s [04:20] yes, so do I [04:20] but telling people doesn [04:20] stop them using it [04:21] people are already clammering for mono developer 0.7 [04:21] they think you are a robot, that does nothing but package === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax7-237.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:56] sigh. Finally, the weekend. Time for ubuntu-catchup. :/ [05:10] ha, pymusique has dependency issues [05:10] i told them the dependencies [05:13] is pymusique even in Ubuntu? [05:15] nope [05:15] neither is smeg but they put it in their universe instead of extras [05:15] i think they put pymusique in their universe too [05:16] ok then [05:16] smeg is gnomes menu editor, no? [05:22] smeg is mine [05:22] for gnome [05:22] gmenu-simple-editor is the one in gnome-menus [05:23] ah [05:25] i figure i'll have 0.6 out tomorrow and blow gmenu-simple-editor away again :) [05:25] i mean, 0.5 does now but it's ugly === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-200-046.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === count0nz [~phillip@60-234-131-154.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:40] hello === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:29] how do I set the version of a Debian package to be x.y.zubuntu ? [06:29] change debian/changelog [06:29] or use dch -v [06:31] 0.9.0.19-1 becomes 0.9.0.19-ubuntu1 ? [06:32] no [06:32] 0.9.0.19-1ubuntu1 [06:32] keep Debian's version and append "ubuntu$x" where $x is our revision [06:32] dch: fatal error at line 586: [06:32] New version specified (0.9.0.19-1ubuntu1) is less than [06:32] the current version number (1:0.9.0.19-1)! [06:33] you're missing the epoch [06:33] 1:0.9.0.19-1ubuntu1 [06:33] oic. [06:34] thanks. [06:35] np [06:36] At last I was able to trigger the compilation of sbcl-0.9.0 agains sbcl-0.9.0... this time, it might work. === bradb [~bradb@modemcable087.14-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bradb [~bradb@modemcable087.14-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bradb_ [~bradb@modemcable087.14-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0467.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bradb [~bradb@modemcable087.14-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === p0m|Kuras [wodann@203-217-80-36.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bradb [~bradb@modemcable087.14-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:35] tseng, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/faq.php for the ~ issue [10:01] Burgundavia: well, that's good [10:02] I can't find any supporting docs for it [10:02] but I assume it is true === hsprang [~henning@p54A6F59B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:55] hi! [10:55] hi hsprang === dahane [~dahane@c159203.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielN [~kodiak@80-218-243-68.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:32] I have just finished packaging sbcl 0.9.0 for (k)ubuntu! :D [11:33] it will never hit hoary [11:33] hoary is frozen [11:33] that's not important, I have the package I need, and make it available for others that need it. === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:34] Burgundavia: besides, it'd be easier to port this package from hoary to breezy than from debian to breezy (specially since this package is even newer than what sid currently has). [11:34] morning all! [11:34] Pupeno, more useful for breezy overall, not to devalue your efforts, it to package stuff that isn't in Debian or Ubuntu [11:34] Pupeno, there must be cool lisp stuff that isn't done [11:35] Burgundavia: I need to work, to put food on my table, and for that, I needed a newer version of sbcl, so, the community gain is a plus, but not my motivation. [11:35] Pupeno, ok [11:36] If I have time, I'll make a breezy chroot and port it to breezy, but I need a ton of other packages to make. [11:36] as I said, porting to breezy should be just a mater of re-compiling. === motaboy [~motaboy@host172-39.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zyga [~zyga@87-mia-9.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:47] hello [11:48] is there any particular reason why mc is not in main? [11:48] zyga, they don't want to support it? === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0557.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@p5089C2BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === susus [~sz@p5089C2BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_d [~ogra@p5089C2BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === willis [~willis@82.110.178.137] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [~jinty@haydn.debian.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === willis [~willis@82.110.178.137] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === willis [~willis@82.110.178.137] has joined #ubuntu-motu === willis [~willis@82.110.178.137] has joined #ubuntu-motu === willis [~willis@82.110.178.137] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:55] <\sh> morning === motaboy [~motaboy@host213-3.pool80183.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:59] hi \sh === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.88.101] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:11] res [03:12] <\sh> damn I slept again [03:12] <\sh> with the laptop on my hips === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:15] holy crap, i need to rewrite the now playing bit on my blog now! [03:15] audioscrobbler has an rss feed [03:15] i can just talk to amazon web services and get the art [03:17] <\sh> i don't get it..whats the hype about audioscrobbler? [03:17] http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/bhale/ [03:17] it will be alot better than the thing im doing now [03:18] which is a horrible bash hack on top of muine-shell === dahane [~dahane@d103055.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] i just need to learn how to parse rdf in php now [03:19] <\sh> this is easy there is a lib for it [03:19] yeah? [03:19] in pear? [03:19] <\sh> w8 let me check [03:20] <\sh> i have to check if s9y is using this lib === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] <\sh> XML_RSS [03:22] <\sh> is in pear [03:22] <\sh> http://pear.php.net/package/XML_RSS/docs [03:22] rdf is rss, right? [03:22] too many xml schemas [03:23] ....done: 3,515 bytes [03:23] install ok: XML_RSS 0.9.2 [03:23] rock on. [03:23] <\sh> rdf is the superset it think of rss [03:23] <\sh> s/it/I/ [03:26] <\sh> ok...let me shower, get some food and drinks and after all this, lets work further on cxx trans === maskie [~marius@196-30-108-87.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [~jinty@haydn.debian.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === maskie [~marius@196-30-108-87.uudial.uunet.co.za] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Danten [~danten@h109n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0557.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hsprang [~henning@p54A6E2A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marios [~chatzilla@cmung1893.cmu.carnet.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] hello everyone [05:22] <\sh> hi marios [05:26] why's nobody talking about developing, packaging, etc.? [05:27] <\sh> sleeping, working on other things [05:27] ok then :) === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:29] <\sh> marios: working on the cxx transition.. === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:30] ok, I just had one question but ok, I'll decide it by myself [05:31] I was wandering is there any app that is now missing that needs to be developed? [05:32] I promised Makoto Hill (if I am not mistaken ;) ) that I will do some app [05:32] probably Mako Hill [05:32] oh yes :) [05:33] look over udu.wiki.ubuntu.com [05:33] BreezyGoals are things to be developed [05:33] I looked at that [05:33] but it seems every goal has it's developer [05:35] can I write a new goal maybe? :) [05:35] you can propose one [05:36] it wont automatically become a "goal" [05:36] <|QuaD-_> marios: you can also look at the bounties [05:36] good call. [05:37] or you can look at how you can help out with the existing ones. A lot of them are not highly prioritised. [05:39] <|QuaD-_> marios: i believe this si that page for bounties: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/bounties/document_view [05:39] looking at it [05:39] so who is annoyed by bzipped build logs here ? [05:40] I believe I could adress this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136871 [05:41] <|QuaD-_> marios: so start working on it [05:41] <\sh> ogra: what? [05:41] who is annoyed by bzipped build logs ? [05:41] http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/ [05:41] ;) === Mithrandir tickles ogra === ogra laughs [05:42] <|QuaD-_> thats a lot prettier than http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html [05:42] |QuaD-_, prettiness was only a side effect [05:42] it's only 3G on p.u.c, I could host that easily enough on my irc box. [05:42] starting right now ;) [05:42] <\sh> mod__bunzip2 [05:42] Mithrandir, i'll put it on p.u.c once i have my access [05:43] <|QuaD-_> ogra: ohhh [05:43] \sh, nah, pure python [05:43] <\sh> ogra: u used mod_bunzip2? [05:43] ogra: it's probably a no-go, due to it consuming large amounts of bandwidth, I'd imagine. [05:43] <\sh> ogra: nice :) wheres the source... [05:43] (as in, non-bzip2-ed ones) [05:44] Mithrandir, it pulls the bzipped one over and unpacks it on the fly.... so you only have reasonable traffic for the one that gets unpackad currently... [05:45] ...in the output stream.... [05:45] i dont think thats a traffic hog... [05:47] ogra: I was more thinking about if you put it on p.u.c [05:48] the it will still only produce traffic with the unpacked file.... i thought the main reason for bzipping was diskspace, but i may be wrong [05:48] I thought it was bandwidth [05:48] hmm [05:48] http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2005052441521.gif [05:48] better talk to elmo, I guess. [05:49] yep [05:49] but for now, i want to be able to see buildlogs without downloading them :) so i'll leave it up... [05:49] (since i guess elmo is still away) [05:50] it's weekend, he should be away. [05:50] heh, whois says he's only idle for 2h :) [05:52] good bye [05:52] see you in bugs pool :D === marios [~chatzilla@cmung1893.cmu.carnet.hr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:54] holy crap, gtd_tiddlywiki rocks [05:54] <|QuaD-_> is that the javascript wiki thing? [05:54] yes [05:54] <|QuaD-_> i was reading about it yesterday [05:55] its all dhtmld and stuff [05:55] it's browser-based. [05:55] <|QuaD-_> isn't a server side script required to store stuf? [05:55] no [05:55] <|QuaD-_> how does it store stuff [05:56] it saves over itself [05:56] <|QuaD-_> on the server? [05:56] its 1 html file [05:57] there is no "sever" [05:57] you just need to try it, there is nothing to install === Danten [~danten@h109n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:57] tbermans blog on planet.gnome.org [05:58] <|QuaD-_> lemme look [05:58] <\sh> 2. ride over coin2 [05:59] <|QuaD-_> interesting [05:59] oops [05:59] <|QuaD-_> but i gotta run [05:59] i removed the main menu [05:59] <|QuaD-_> ttyl [05:59] <\sh> 0nly a few left for the transition === JanC [~janc@dD57626F2.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chiefofthejojos [~brad@69-167-153-77.crlsca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [~koke@adsl229-164.unizar.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === juanmals [~juanmals@253.Red-213-98-53.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:08] hi everybody , I wish to know what do I have to do if i want my project to be included in the official repositories [06:09] post it for review on the wiki? [06:09] wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU? [06:09] there? [06:10] <\sh> juanmals: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages [06:10] thans \sh [06:10] juanmals, depends, if you already made a ubuntu source package, yes [06:10] juanmals, if yu only want it included, put it on UniverseCandidates [06:10] No , I ve never done a packagefor ubuntu [06:11] so put it on the UniverseCandidates page then :) [06:11] and either learn packaging here, or wait that someone from here packages it ;) [06:11] We have done the deb package [06:12] ach was [06:12] so you also have a source package [06:12] yes [06:12] thats a good start ;) === vicks [~vicks@c-31db70d5.019-22-6c6b7011.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:12] then you can put a link to the source package on MOTUNewPackages ;) [06:12] <\sh> dahane: ?? [06:13] das war nen kollege grad der vor mein pc sass... [06:13] thanks a lot ogra [06:13] dahane, wer ? === maskie [~marius@196-30-108-87.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:16] how do I add it in MOTUNewPackages, I only find a list, no form or any other way to add a package to be revised [06:16] <\sh> juanmals: log into the wiki -> edit this page [06:16]