[12:03] <ogra> in /etc/hotplug.d afaik
[12:05] <\sh> in hotplug.d/default is only 10-udev.hotplug and 20-hal.hotplug and default.hotplug
[12:07] <ogra> yes, because the kernel triggers the loading of the modules through hotplug via udev...
[12:07] <ogra> you might be able to override that somewhere...
[12:08] <\sh> i think i have to check /etc/hotplug
[12:09] <Pupeno> Hello
[12:12] <ogra> hi
[12:13] <Pupeno> I work with Lisp, so, for me, it is important to have recent versions of sbcl, slime, and lots of other packages related to Lisp. Ubuntu packages are outdated so I'm planning to make new packages whenever is possible. I notice for example, that there are some newer Lisp-related packages on Debian. So, what do you recomend me to do ?
[12:13] <\sh> hehe..the next article on my blog will be the official "hello planet" article :)
[12:13] <\sh> hidden message ;)
[12:13] <ogra> heh
[12:14] <\sh> Pupeno: [00:13]  <seb128> Pupeno: you should become a MOTU and help to maintain the packages
[12:14] <\sh> Pupeno: say: Yes I will
[12:14] <ogra> Pupeno, they will show up in breezy
[12:14] <ogra> if they are in debian
[12:15] <Pupeno> ogra: Ok, but I need them now on ubuntu 5.04 (I'm not reclaiming them, I just want to take the path that bests helps the community, because I am going to take one path or another).
[12:16] <\sh> Pupeno: build the package for hoary and breezy
[12:16] <Pupeno> ogra: If they are going to end up in breezy, I could set up my own repository of breezy lispy packages, or even help getting them into breezy, I'm not sure about that.
[12:16] <\sh> Pupeno: and help your packages to become part of breezy
[12:16] <ogra> you could even maintain them in breezy if you like....
[12:17] <Pupeno> ogra: I won't be able to run breezy, I only have one computer and I need it running to work.
[12:17] <Pupeno> \sh: yes, that's a possibility. Thank you.
[12:17] <\sh> Pupeno: run a breezy chroot for dev work on breezy (like me) and have hoary as productive enviroment
[12:18] <ogra> yeah
[12:18] <Pupeno> \sh: that can be a good alternative... but I don't know how to do it, is there anywhere I can read about it ?
[12:18] <ogra> no need to run breezy
[12:18] <\sh> ogra: yeah...pbuilder env is also an alternative :)
[12:18] <ogra> yop
[12:19] <\sh> Pupeno: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources
[12:19] <ogra> but in a rel chroot you can also test them
[12:19] <ogra> real even
[12:19] <\sh> orga: thats why I'm running breezy in chroot :) but is sometimes a pit ;)
[12:19] <\sh> and I fall ;)
[12:20] <count0nz> Hi all
[12:20] <\sh> ogra: if kde is running :) I will switch :)
[12:20] <ogra> what else should i run to produce breezy :)
[12:20] <\sh> 2005.0 ?
[12:20] <\sh> hehe
[12:21] <ogra> hi count0nz
[12:21] <\sh> btw..do u have a gimp script for those hackergotchi stuff?
[12:21] <ogra> nope
[12:22] <count0nz> I have read the wiki page's :) (good boy i am), anyone packageing, xdtv, xawdecode, xawdecode-plugins ?
[12:23] <\sh> ogra: that's why I was always bad in arts at school
[12:23] <ogra> \sh, i do it manually.... and i think you wont get a edge detection that is good enough to cut out the shape of the head automatically
[12:24] <ogra> i also adjust some colors or fix little one or the other little uglyness... you cant automate that
[12:24] <\sh> strike freud is my friend
[12:24] <count0nz> and if not (i don't want to do what someone else is doing) xawdecode-plugins is a grey area whuld that goto restricted somehow ?
[12:24] <\sh> " Nobody is perfect, and I'm Nobody. Hehe..yeah, today it happened. My Ubunut server crashed."
[12:24] <\sh> was is wrong here
[12:24] <\sh> I will go to bed :(
[12:24] <ogra> you are perfect ? oh, man...
[12:25] <\sh> Ubunut server
[12:25] <ogra> ehe
[12:25] <ogra> cant you correct it ?
[12:26] <\sh> sure...already did
[12:26] <ogra> it takes some time until planet refreshes it :)
[12:26] <ogra> count0nz, i'm lnot aware of anyone packaging it yet
[12:27] <\sh> when is the reread time?
[12:27] <ogra> no idea
[12:27] <count0nz> ogra, kewl i don't want to tread on anyones toes
[12:27] <ogra> count0nz, you cant, we have no personalized packages in ubuntu :)
[12:27] <\sh>  /etc/init.d/hotplog stop
[12:27] <\sh> another one
[12:27] <ogra> plog ?
[12:27] <ogra> heh
[12:28] <count0nz> :) kewl
[12:28] <count0nz> just some good tv apps that work well and want to help share the love :)
[12:28] <\sh> i think this girl at hosteurope made me a bit how can I say...good looking and was quite interessted in the linux running on my box
[12:30] <ogra> count0nz, sounds great
[12:30] <ogra> \sh, i havent even seen the new hosteurope DC, i wouldnt know where to drive if my server crashed ;)
[12:31] <\sh> ogra: if u have time tomorrow I could give u a clue :)
[12:31] <count0nz> ogra, do you know what the xawdecode-plugins do tho i don't know if we are allowed to host it its GPL but its for decodeing pay tv what is the policy on that ?
[12:31] <\sh> count0nz: decoding pay tv?
[12:31] <\sh> what is different between paytv and dtv broadcast
[12:32] <count0nz> yes... it descramples payTV (Analog tv signals
[12:32] <ogra> count0nz, does it include any keys or something like that ... patented algorhythms etc ?
[12:32] <\sh> u mean it removes macrovision?
[12:32] <count0nz> ogra, no its uses brute force attack
[12:32] <\sh> not allowed
[12:32] <\sh> ogra: old premiere scrambling method over analog tv
[12:33] <ogra> ah, yes...
[12:33] <\sh> and removing macrovision
[12:33] <\sh> not dtv unscrambling
[12:33] <\sh> quite useless in germany anyways
[12:33] <count0nz> not satalight i don't think many places use the older systems anyore
[12:33] <ogra> uhh, thats illegal as libdecss2 .... i doubt we can pull it in....
[12:33] <count0nz> np
[12:34] <ogra> count0nz, could you write a mail to the ubuntu-devel list about that ?
[12:34] <count0nz> its searchable on not if ppl want it thay will find it
[12:34] <count0nz> yes i will
[12:34] <\sh> count0nz: it's something else if you provide it on your own repos
[12:34] <ogra> great, so we can hear other opinions about it
[12:34] <\sh> or if it's distributed via CD where a company is in charge
[12:35] <ogra> \sh, if its not totally illegal we can include it ... but that has to be determined
[12:35] <count0nz> cos persionly i don't think its a big issue cos like we have restricted sets but i don't know i havent been in U long enough to know what it whuld be considered as
[12:36] <count0nz> np
[12:36] <\sh> ogra: the problem will be: the different laws :) what's allowed in china is not allowed in us or ermany or za ;)
[12:36] <\sh> in us even reverse engineering is not allowed and brute force also not ;)
[12:37] <ogra> \sh, same goes for other things too... thats why debian has non-us repos
[12:37] <\sh> what about a different approach to this case
[12:38] <\sh> I mean libdecss2 is only forbidden in this state of "illegal stuff", but if someone pays license fee for the algorythm
[12:38] <\sh> -y+i
[12:38] <count0nz> i'll email the devel people and see what happens
[12:38] <\sh> it could be legal.
[12:39] <count0nz> its as i say very grey
[12:39] <\sh> so why not make an official ubuntu dvd player ;)
[12:40] <\sh> with legal stuff attached :) fees payed...and 2-5 eur per download :) so we could pay the next ubuntu release party worldwide ;)
[12:40] <count0nz> funny thing is here like the uk (nz) you have to pay a TV licence to even watch TV but on a pc you can watch tv without a tv (useing a tv tuner card) lol
[12:41] <\sh> count0nz: this will change
[12:41] <\sh> count0nz: in germany it's going to change at least next year
[12:41] <\sh> count0nz: u have to pay a tv fee for computers just like for tvs
[12:41] <count0nz> yes lol its kinds funny... i listen to Radio Excluvely via net now
[12:41] <count0nz> \sh, wow
[12:42] <count0nz> do you have a Radio licence there also ?
[12:42] <\sh> count0nz: at least you pay this fee, cause u are _able_ to receive tv or radio streams via internet or with a tuner card
[12:42] <count0nz> true
[12:42] <\sh> it's called GEZ fee :) for the public tv/radio senders
[12:45] <\sh> yeah..troubled me this evening
[12:46] <count0nz> another pet project of mine is a Thin Client project based on U :)
[12:48] <\sh> messages:May 19 14:48:38 server3 kernel: ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: wakeup
[12:48] <\sh> messages:May 19 14:48:38 server3 kernel: ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: wakeup
[12:48] <\sh> messages:May 19 14:49:08 server3 kernel: ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: wakeup
[12:48] <\sh> ogra:
[12:48] <\sh> this is the real message
[12:48] <ogra> what did google say ?
[12:50] <\sh> hmmm
[12:50] <\sh> several hits concerning usb sticks
[12:51] <Pupeno> Here's sbcl 0.9 packaged for Debian: http://people.debian.org/~pvaneynd/cl-packages/sbcl/  can I take that and re-package it for ubuntu ?
[12:51] <\sh> different occurances in redhat, mandriva debian etc.
[12:51] <|QuaD-_> are current packages compiled with gcc4 or 3.3?
[12:53] <\sh> for breezy gcc4 should be the default
[12:53] <ogra> Pupeno, rather contact the guy who packaged it in debian and ask him if he can get it in time into debian
[12:54] <ogra> so we can just sync it...
[12:54] <Pupeno> ogra: nope, this was packaged after the freeze: he says: "To keep the momentum in the cl packages during the freeze I created a apt-getables repository."
[12:55] <|QuaD-_> \sh: so are they working on compiling all current packages with gcc4 or just as new packages are added
[12:55] <Pupeno> where can I see (download/recompile) what packages are currently there on Breeze ?
[12:55] <ogra> sarge will probably release before breezy, so chances are good that we can pull it from sid then
[12:56] <ogra> dunno if breezy is already included, but you could try packages.ubuntu.com ;)
[12:57] <\sh> |QuaD-_: check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyToolchainTransition
[12:59] <Pupeno> sbcl on breezy is old as well.
[12:59] <\sh> ogra: i think I know what the problem is...I saw it in early releases of 2.4 and 2.6
[01:00] <\sh> there r some mainboards who r reporting wrong idents for their usb devices.
[01:00] <\sh> kernel thinks it's an compaq usb device and tries to initialize it
[01:00] <ogra> Pupeno, it was synced on may 9 the last time from sid
[01:00] <\sh> but there is no compaq usb device so it failes
[01:01] <\sh> mostly a bios bug
[01:01] <ogra> hmm, possible
[01:01] <Pupeno> ogra: Ok, I just need those packages so I'm going to make them work on hoary.
[01:01] <\sh> Pupeno: make them work on breezy :)
[01:01] <\sh> and for hoary :)
[01:01] <\sh> hoary for yourself, breezy for the masses :)
[01:02] <Pupeno> \sh: I need them to start working, so, I'm just going to make them work on hoary now, and latter, I'll see what can I do.
[01:03] <|QuaD-_> \sh: so they are currently converting the libs to gcc 4.0?
[01:03] <ogra> you should be able to build them without problems...
[01:04] <\sh> |QuaD-_: and to g++4 yes
[01:04] <ogra> a simple fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage should be enough
[01:04] <Pupeno> ogra: when I find out how to build them ;) I'm 100% new to dev (I know portage and rpm though).
[01:04] <\sh> Pupeno: url to the source?
[01:05] <Pupeno> \sh: I don't know, this is all I know: http://pvaneynd.blogspot.com/
[01:05] <ogra> Pupeno, first get all build dependencys, i guess hey will be similar between the versions...
[01:05] <ogra> Pupeno, get them with: sudo apt-get build-dep sbcl
[01:05] <ogra> then put the source in one dir....
[01:06] <ogra> install build-essential, fakeroot and devscripts
[01:06] <ogra> then go into the dir with the source files and run: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage *.dsc
[01:06] <ogra> thats all
[01:07] <ogra> you'll find the .deb in the above dir
[01:08] <ogra> install it with: sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[01:10] <|QuaD-_> how do i get involved with ubuntu-motu?
[01:11] <ogra> |QuaD-_, arent you already ?
[01:11] <|QuaD-_> ogra: how do i become a member?
[01:11] <|QuaD-_> ogra: i am not a member yet
[01:11] <ogra> i mean you are here daily... what better start do you want ;)
[01:11] <|QuaD-_> ogra: haha yeah, i want to start packaging, etc
[01:12] <|QuaD-_> ogra: give back some :)
[01:12] <ogra> help with some packages, fix bugs, write a howto, make a background image etc
[01:12] <ogra> any contribution counts for membership....
[01:12] <|QuaD-_> ogra: how do i help with packages or fix ugs?
[01:12] <Pupeno> |QuaD-_: in most free software project, you do and then you get the label, not the other way arround.
[01:13] <ogra> pick a bug in malone... look at the package, fix the bug, make a patch, attach it to the bug :)
[01:13] <|QuaD-_> ogra: is there a tutorial on how to start>
[01:14] <ogra> look at the MOTU wiki page, there are some links and the debian new maintainers guide is a good start too
[01:14] <|QuaD-_> is there a link to malone?
[01:14] <count0nz> |QuaD-_, this is usefull researching myself :)
[01:14] <count0nz> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HelpingKubuntu
[01:14] <count0nz> (ignore the K :) lol
[01:14] <schweeb> yay, I'm on breezy now!
[01:15] <|QuaD-_> count0nz: haha :) thanks
[01:15] <Pupeno> ogra: whne you say the dir with the sources... what exactly are you talking about ? the original tarball or some kind of deb source ?
[01:16] <count0nz> i'me new here (to U) and i think we need to sit down and write Lots of usefull Wiki pages
[01:16] <\sh> ogra: universe has higher prio even if u put it into sources.list
[01:16] <count0nz> HOWTO's
[01:16] <count0nz> Add more packages
[01:16] <count0nz> Fix Bugs
[01:16] <ogra> the stuff you downloaded... a debian source package should be a orig.tar.gz file, a diff.gz and a .dsc file
[01:17] <Pupeno> ogra: oks, thanks.
[01:17] <\sh> Pupeno: 5mins :)
[01:19] <ogra> |QuaD-_, oh, btw first step to become a member is to create a wikipage about yourself if you havent already
[01:20] <|QuaD-_> ogra: i should create a webpage before i actually do anything?
[01:20] <ogra> |QuaD-_, yes
[01:20] <|QuaD-_> ogra: one thing i have been considering making for a while is a gui version of apt-cache, would that be useful?
[01:20] <ogra> |QuaD-_, a wikipage about yourself... who you are, what you do etc...
[01:21] <ogra> |QuaD-_, hmm, you mean a shrunk down synaptic ?
[01:21] <|QuaD-_> ogra: yeah, synaptic you need root priveleges
[01:21] <|QuaD-_> (i think)
[01:21] <ogra> you do
[01:21] <|QuaD-_> so just a simple app to learn python
[01:22] <\sh> huu
[01:22] <ogra> sure, sounds good
[01:22] <\sh> Source: sbcl
[01:22] <|QuaD-_> its nice having 2 weeks off :)
[01:22] <\sh> Build-Depends: sbcl (>= 1:0.9.0.0-1)
[01:23] <|QuaD-_> are there any nice ebooks for learning python and pygtk?
[01:23] <Pupeno> \sh: mh ?
[01:23] <\sh> strange
[01:23] <ogra> |QuaD-_, this is a perfect example pag for a wiki page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DanielRobitaille
[01:23] <\sh> a source which build-deps itself
[01:24] <|QuaD-_> ogra: whoa, that is a pretty intense page
[01:24] <ogra> yep
[01:24] <Pupeno> \sh: don't you need gcc to build gcc ?
[01:24] <Mithrandir> you need a c compiler to build gcc.
[01:24] <Pupeno> \sh: sbcl is a compiler as well as gcc :)
[01:25] <Mithrandir> but gcc can be bootstrapped using many other compilers than itself.
[01:25] <\sh> doesn't have gcc a bootstrap small c ?
[01:25] <Pupeno> Mithrandir: ok, technically, you need a common lisp compiler to build sbcl, but I don't know how true is that in practice.
[01:25] <Mithrandir> \sh: that's probably the least coherent sentence I've seen today. :-)
[01:25] <\sh> forget it i'm tired ;)
[01:26] <Mithrandir> Pupeno: so it should build fine using (say) clisp?
[01:26] <\sh> no
[01:26] <\sh> not with this package
[01:27] <Pupeno> Mithrandir: I'm not sure.
[01:27] <\sh> hmm...
[01:27] <Pupeno> \sh: that's another matter.
[01:27] <\sh> i was sure, gcc can compile itself without anything else ;)
[01:27] <Mithrandir> it's not uncommon to have to bootstrap a new port somewhat by hand
[01:27] <Mithrandir> \sh: no, it can't.
[01:27] <\sh> someday it will
[01:28] <Pupeno> \sh: no.
[01:28] <\sh> don't say no :)
[01:29] <\sh> I had a dream
[01:29] <ogra> \sh, apt-cache showsrc gcc-4.0
[01:29] <ogra> look at the build-deps
[01:29] <\sh> ogra: i fooling around now ;)
[01:29] <ogra> :)
[01:30] <\sh> I'm
[01:30] <\sh> let me compile this piece of software for breezy
[01:30] <\sh> it's just finished
[01:35] <\sh> Pupeno: stops with an error
[01:36] <\sh> sbcl: in x86-arch
[01:36] <Pupeno> What error ?
[01:36] <\sh> invalid lvalue in increment
[01:36] <\sh> :88 :286 :273
[01:36] <\sh> u can try it under hoary
[01:36] <Pupeno> you probably need http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/sbcl/sbcl-0.9.0-x86-linux-binary.tar.bz2?download
[01:37] <\sh> get the diff.gz, .dsc and orig.tar.gz or tar.gz
[01:37] <\sh> i just installed the sbcl from breezy
[01:37] <\sh> its good as build dep
[01:37] <Pupeno> \sh: 0.8.17 might not be able to build 0.9.0, you may need 0.9.0 to build 0.9.0 (weird, isn't it ? ;)
[01:38] <\sh> why isn't it complaining
[01:39] <\sh> ah
[01:39] <\sh> reezy)shermann@shermann-laptop:~/breezy/lisp$ sbcl
[01:39] <\sh> This is SBCL 0.9.0.39, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.
[01:39] <\sh> let me try something
[01:40] <\sh> no wonder
[01:41] <\sh> hehe
[01:41] <\sh> 0.9.0.39 doesn't compile with 0.9.0.39
[01:41] <Firetech> hmm.. Freenode's website says that I have to identify myself (nickserv) atleast once every 60 days. Do I have to do that even if I'm connected to the network 24/7? (it's a little bit of wrong channel, but I thought you guys would know...)
[01:42] <\sh> if you're identified u stay identified until u disconnect
[01:42] <\sh> now i screwed up everything
[01:43] <Firetech> I don't have to make a script to reidentify myself every 60 days then? ;)
[01:43] <\sh> as i said
[01:43] <Pupeno> \sh: so, you manage to build it ?
[01:44] <\sh> Pupeno: no...
[01:44] <\sh> i used the binary from his page
[01:44] <ogra> woah, weird, there is a .core file in the tarball with the binary
[01:44] <ogra> its 23M
[01:44] <Pupeno> ok.
[01:44] <\sh> and it was 0.9.0.39
[01:44] <\sh> so i tried to build sbcl 0.9.0.39 with itself :)
[01:44] <\sh> and it throws errors
[01:44] <Pupeno> \sh: oh, that one didn't install on here, dependency problems.
[01:44] <\sh> ogra: this lips stuff?
[01:44] <ogra> yep
[01:45] <\sh> Pupeno: no problem here
[01:45] <ogra> in the surceforge download
[01:45] <\sh> under breezy
[01:45] <\sh> ogra: i used the package repos and dpkg-source -x *.dsc ;)
[01:45] <ogra> \sh, i looked at the sourceforge download Pupeno posted....
[01:46] <Pupeno> ogra: that is the official binary distribution.
[01:46] <\sh> but I'm really scared now
[01:46] <ogra> Pupeno, there is a .core file....
[01:46] <ogra> its a huge download because of this ...
[01:47] <\sh> http://www.basquiat.de/gallery/album01/kapple?full=1 this is absolutly nice and eyecandy
[01:48] <Pupeno> ogra: I believe that should be the main image or something like that.
[01:48] <\sh> ogra: build errors when build with an actual version ;)
[01:48] <\sh> Pupeno: use emacs my advice ;)
[01:49] <Pupeno> \sh: why do you say that ?
[01:49] <\sh> Pupeno: cause of elisp ;) it's stable ;)
[01:49] <\sh> just joking
[01:49] <Firetech> Oh, one thing I can mention while I'm here... The version of KVIrc in Hoary Universe (2.1.3.1) is kinda old, and doesn't work with international characters. The .deb's on www.kvirc.net (3.2.0) works well in Hoary, though.
[01:49] <Pupeno> I use emacs to code common lisp, because slime rules :D
[01:50] <\sh> Firetech: is it in debian unstable?
[01:50] <Firetech> I don't know, but I'll check.
[01:51] <ogra> Pupeno, youre right, the core file is the actual binary...
[01:51] <count0nz> arrg
[01:51] <Firetech> \sh: it's only in experimental.
[01:51] <\sh> Firetech: then it will not be synced right now in breezy...lemme check later for 3.2.0 after cxx transition
[01:52] <Firetech> ok
[01:55] <count0nz> Hay Breezy got E yet or better E17 :)
[01:55] <count0nz> well i know E16 is in hoary
[01:56] <\sh> guys i need to go to bed...
[01:56] <\sh> later this morning dudes
[01:56] <\sh> g'night
[01:56] <Firetech> well, good night then ;)
[01:56] <count0nz> night \sh
[01:57] <Pupeno> building....
[01:57] <Pupeno> bye \sh
[01:59] <Pupeno> ok, it didn't work.
[01:59] <Pupeno> I've run `fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage`... I believe it would have worked if it respected my $PATH, any idea how I can do that ?
[02:01] <Pupeno> Mithrandir: according to sbcl's documentation, you can build it with clisp.
[02:12] <Pupeno> compiling :D
[03:42] <tseng> hi
[03:50] <Burgundavia> salut
[03:51] <Burgundavia> how goes the mono life?
[03:56] <tseng> fine thank
[03:56] <tseng> s
[03:57] <tseng> i just moved my desktop into my appartment
[03:57] <tseng> i might have to work on (sane) hoary mono backports :(
[03:57] <tseng> for luis
[03:57] <tseng> and go-mono.com
[03:58] <tseng> might be better than a bunch of tools running breezy
[04:01] <Burgundavia> are we talking 1.1.7 on hoary?
[04:02] <lamont> tseng: the words "sane" and "backport" don't fit in the same sentence.  At least not for ubuntu
[04:02] <tseng> Burgundavia: maybe
[04:02] <Burgundavia> tseng, your crazy, did you know that?
[04:03] <tseng> Burgundavia: i really want luis to wait and build his cd on breezy
[04:03] <Burgundavia> but the forums people will love you
[04:03] <tseng> well, i wouldnt even consider it, but meebey is planning to do the same thing
[04:03] <tseng> for sarge
[04:03] <Burgundavia> tseng, if you do, make sure that you coordinate with the backports people to remove 1.1.7 from their repo. I can do that if you wish
[04:03] <lamont> tseng: sarge backports make sense, given the speed of the release cycle...
[04:04] <tseng> hm
[04:04] <Burgundavia> backported over a 6 month release cycle is mostly nuts
[04:04] <tseng> uh
[04:04] <tseng> they are backporting my 1.1.7 already?
[04:04] <tseng> im not a fan of that
[04:04] <Burgundavia> tseng, I believe they have
[04:05] <tseng> its like, 70% there
[04:05] <lamont> hoary's been out for a month already.  of course the forums people are busy backporting breezy to it
[04:05] <tseng> well last i looked they had 1.1.6 from debian experimental, which is a *bit* more sane
[04:05] <tseng> 1.1.7 broke some apps upstream, and we have a broken dbus binding for now
[04:06] <tseng> and im *sure* backports doesnt have nearly the "wealth" of knowledge on the subject that ive beaten into my head by now
[04:06] <Burgundavia> tseng, yes they have
[04:06] <tseng> BUH
[04:06] <tseng> can i hurt them?
[04:06] <tseng> or is that in violation of the CoC
[04:07] <Burgundavia> your target is jdong
[04:07] <tseng> "ZOMG FASTER BEAGLE THAT DOESNT WORK WITH DBUS!!!!ELEVENTEEN"
[04:07] <Burgundavia> wow, the backports people have been busy
[04:07] <tseng> where is jdong?
[04:07] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=780
[04:07] <tseng> uh
[04:08] <tseng> i have to sign up to flame him?
[04:08] <Burgundavia> tseng, no you can send him an email
[04:08] <tseng> hm rock on
[04:09] <tseng> Occupation:
[04:09] <tseng> High school student.
[04:09] <tseng> this will be a challenge
[04:09] <Burgundavia> the other member of the backports team is jdodson
[04:10] <Burgundavia> tseng, they usually don't backport things like mono
[04:10] <Burgundavia> they actually are more sane then they look
[04:11] <tseng> uh dude
[04:11] <tseng> i read their changelog the other day
[04:11] <tseng> lets see if i can find it
[04:12] <tseng> #Pymusique supposedly still has dependency issues.
[04:12] <tseng> #./restricted/binary-i386/pymusique_0.5-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb
[04:12] <tseng> # adesklets plugins still don't work. Considering removal.
[04:12] <tseng> #./universe/binary-i386/adesklets_0.4.8-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb
[04:12] <tseng> their comments reguarly make me think they cant/dont read debian/*
[04:12] <tseng> and actually do some leg work
[04:13] <Burgundavia> they are pulling stuff from unstable/experimental as well
[04:14] <tseng> yes
[04:14] <Burgundavia> that is crazy
[04:14] <tseng> they had 1.1.6 before I did, or soon after
[04:14] <tseng> at least i dont see a bunch of ~ in their version strings today
[04:14] <tseng> oh wait
[04:14] <tseng> ./main/binary-i386/gaim-data_1.3.0-1~5.04ubp1_all.deb
[04:14] <tseng> wth is that?
[04:15] <tseng> (rhetorical question)
[04:15] <tseng> ill mail him sometime about smoking mono crack
[04:15] <Burgundavia> is there a way we can force udp stuff to be overwritten at upgrade time?
[04:19] <tseng> we could, but i doubt any of the cannonical guys even want to give it that much mindshare
[04:19] <Burgundavia> the issue is, backports exist
[04:19] <Burgundavia> and people are using them
[04:19] <tseng> i think its definately a community issue that we have to deal with somehow
[04:19] <tseng> not in dpkg
[04:19] <Burgundavia> therefor, we need to coordinate, so that they don't break upgrades
[04:20] <tseng> eh
[04:20] <tseng> i tell people not to use it *because* it breaks upgrade
[04:20] <tseng> s
[04:20] <Burgundavia> yes, so do I
[04:20] <Burgundavia> but telling people doesn
[04:20] <Burgundavia> stop them using it
[04:21] <Burgundavia> people are already clammering for mono developer 0.7
[04:21] <Burgundavia> they think you are a robot, that does nothing but package
[04:56] <crimsun_> sigh. Finally, the weekend. Time for ubuntu-catchup. :/
[05:10] <Amaranth> ha, pymusique has dependency issues
[05:10] <Amaranth> i told them the dependencies
[05:13] <Burgundavia> is pymusique even in Ubuntu?
[05:15] <Amaranth> nope
[05:15] <Amaranth> neither is smeg but they put it in their universe instead of extras
[05:15] <Amaranth> i think they put pymusique in their universe too
[05:16] <Burgundavia> ok then
[05:16] <Burgundavia> smeg is gnomes menu editor, no?
[05:22] <Amaranth> smeg is mine
[05:22] <Amaranth> for gnome
[05:22] <Amaranth> gmenu-simple-editor is the one in gnome-menus
[05:23] <Burgundavia> ah
[05:25] <Amaranth> i figure i'll have 0.6 out tomorrow and blow gmenu-simple-editor away again :)
[05:25] <Amaranth> i mean, 0.5 does now but it's ugly
[05:40] <Pupeno> hello
[06:29] <Pupeno> how do I set the version of a Debian package to be x.y.zubuntu ?
[06:29] <crimsun> change debian/changelog
[06:29] <crimsun> or use dch -v
[06:31] <Pupeno> 0.9.0.19-1 becomes 0.9.0.19-ubuntu1 ?
[06:32] <crimsun> no
[06:32] <crimsun> 0.9.0.19-1ubuntu1
[06:32] <crimsun> keep Debian's version and append "ubuntu$x" where $x is our revision
[06:32] <Pupeno> dch: fatal error at line 586:
[06:32] <Pupeno> New version specified (0.9.0.19-1ubuntu1) is less than
[06:32] <Pupeno> the current version number (1:0.9.0.19-1)!
[06:33] <crimsun> you're missing the epoch
[06:33] <crimsun> 1:0.9.0.19-1ubuntu1
[06:33] <Pupeno> oic.
[06:34] <Pupeno> thanks.
[06:35] <crimsun> np
[06:36] <Pupeno> At last I was able to trigger the compilation of sbcl-0.9.0 agains sbcl-0.9.0... this time, it might work.
[09:35] <Burgundavia> tseng, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/faq.php for the ~ issue
[10:01] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: well, that's good
[10:02] <Burgundavia> I can't find any supporting docs for it
[10:02] <Burgundavia> but I assume it is true
[10:55] <hsprang> hi!
[10:55] <Unfrgiven> hi hsprang
[11:32] <Pupeno> I have just finished packaging sbcl 0.9.0 for (k)ubuntu! :D
[11:33] <Burgundavia> it will never hit hoary
[11:33] <Burgundavia> hoary is frozen
[11:33] <Pupeno> that's not important, I have the package I need, and make it available for others that need it.
[11:34] <Pupeno> Burgundavia: besides, it'd be easier to port this package from hoary to breezy than from debian to breezy (specially since this package is even newer than what sid currently has).
[11:34] <koke> morning all!
[11:34] <Burgundavia> Pupeno, more useful for breezy overall, not to devalue your efforts, it to package stuff that isn't in Debian or Ubuntu
[11:34] <Burgundavia> Pupeno, there must be cool lisp stuff that isn't done
[11:35] <Pupeno> Burgundavia: I need to work, to put food on my table, and for that, I needed a newer version of sbcl, so, the community gain is a plus, but not my motivation.
[11:35] <Burgundavia> Pupeno, ok
[11:36] <Pupeno> If I have time, I'll make a breezy chroot and port it to breezy, but I need a ton of other packages to make.
[11:36] <Pupeno> as I said, porting to breezy should be just a mater of re-compiling.
[11:47] <zyga> hello
[11:48] <zyga> is there any particular reason why mc is not in main?
[11:48] <Burgundavia> zyga, they don't want to support it?
[02:55] <\sh> morning
[02:59] <siretart> hi \sh
[03:11] <GheRivero> res
[03:12] <\sh> damn I slept again
[03:12] <\sh> with the laptop on my hips
[03:15] <tseng> holy crap, i need to rewrite the now playing bit on my blog now!
[03:15] <tseng> audioscrobbler has an rss feed
[03:15] <tseng> i can just talk to amazon web services and get the art
[03:17] <\sh> i don't get it..whats the hype about audioscrobbler?
[03:17] <tseng> http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/bhale/
[03:17] <tseng> it will be alot better than the thing im doing now
[03:18] <tseng> which is a horrible bash hack on top of muine-shell
[03:19] <tseng> i just need to learn how to parse rdf in php now
[03:19] <\sh> this is easy there is a lib for it
[03:19] <tseng> yeah?
[03:19] <tseng> in pear?
[03:19] <\sh> w8 let me check
[03:20] <\sh> i have to check if s9y is using this lib
[03:22] <\sh> XML_RSS
[03:22] <\sh> is in pear
[03:22] <\sh> http://pear.php.net/package/XML_RSS/docs
[03:22] <tseng> rdf is rss, right?
[03:22] <tseng> too many xml schemas
[03:23] <tseng> ....done: 3,515 bytes
[03:23] <tseng> install ok: XML_RSS 0.9.2
[03:23] <tseng> rock on.
[03:23] <\sh> rdf is the superset it think of rss
[03:23] <\sh> s/it/I/
[03:26] <\sh> ok...let me shower, get some food and drinks and after all this, lets work further on cxx trans
[05:22] <marios> hello everyone
[05:22] <\sh> hi marios
[05:26] <marios> why's nobody talking about developing, packaging, etc.?
[05:27] <\sh> sleeping, working on other things
[05:27] <marios> ok then :)
[05:29] <\sh> marios: working on the cxx transition..
[05:30] <marios> ok, I just had one question but ok, I'll decide it by myself
[05:31] <marios> I was wandering is there any app that is now missing that needs to be developed?
[05:32] <marios> I promised Makoto Hill (if I am not mistaken ;) ) that I will do some app
[05:32] <Mithrandir> probably Mako Hill
[05:32] <marios> oh yes :)
[05:33] <tseng> look over udu.wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:33] <tseng> BreezyGoals are things to be developed
[05:33] <marios> I looked at that
[05:33] <marios> but it seems every goal has it's developer
[05:35] <marios> can I write a new goal maybe? :)
[05:35] <tseng> you can propose one
[05:36] <tseng> it wont automatically become a "goal"
[05:36] <|QuaD-_> marios: you can also look at the bounties
[05:36] <tseng> good call.
[05:37] <Mithrandir> or you can look at how you can help out with the existing ones.  A lot of them are not highly prioritised.
[05:39] <|QuaD-_> marios: i believe this si that page for bounties: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/bounties/document_view
[05:39] <marios> looking at it
[05:39] <ogra> so who is annoyed by bzipped build logs here ?
[05:40] <marios> I believe I could adress this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136871
[05:41] <|QuaD-_> marios: so start working on it
[05:41] <\sh> ogra: what?
[05:41] <ogra> who is annoyed by bzipped build logs ?
[05:41] <ogra> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/
[05:41] <ogra> ;)
[05:42] <|QuaD-_> thats a lot prettier than http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[05:42] <ogra> |QuaD-_, prettiness was only a side effect
[05:42] <Mithrandir> it's only 3G on p.u.c, I could host that easily enough on my irc box.
[05:42] <marios> starting right now ;)
[05:42] <\sh> mod__bunzip2
[05:42] <ogra> Mithrandir, i'll put it on p.u.c once i have my access
[05:43] <|QuaD-_> ogra: ohhh
[05:43] <ogra> \sh, nah, pure python
[05:43] <\sh> ogra: u used mod_bunzip2?
[05:43] <Mithrandir> ogra: it's probably a no-go, due to it consuming large amounts of bandwidth, I'd imagine.
[05:43] <\sh> ogra: nice :) wheres the source...
[05:43] <Mithrandir> (as in, non-bzip2-ed ones)
[05:44] <ogra> Mithrandir, it pulls the bzipped one over and unpacks it on the fly.... so you only have reasonable traffic for the one that gets unpackad currently...
[05:45] <ogra> ...in the output stream....
[05:45] <ogra> i dont think thats a traffic hog...
[05:47] <Mithrandir> ogra: I was more thinking about if you put it on p.u.c
[05:48] <ogra> the it will still only produce traffic with the unpacked file.... i thought the main reason for bzipping was diskspace, but i may be wrong
[05:48] <Mithrandir> I thought it was bandwidth
[05:48] <ogra> hmm
[05:48] <Treenaks> http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2005052441521.gif
[05:48] <Mithrandir> better talk to elmo, I guess.
[05:49] <ogra> yep
[05:49] <ogra> but for now, i want to be able to see buildlogs without downloading them :) so i'll leave it up...
[05:49] <ogra> (since i guess elmo is still away)
[05:50] <Mithrandir> it's weekend, he should be away.
[05:50] <ogra> heh, whois says he's only idle for 2h :)
[05:52] <marios> good bye
[05:52] <marios> see you in bugs pool :D
[05:54] <tseng> holy crap, gtd_tiddlywiki rocks
[05:54] <|QuaD-_> is that the javascript wiki thing?
[05:54] <tseng> yes
[05:54] <|QuaD-_> i was reading about it yesterday
[05:55] <tseng> its all dhtmld and stuff
[05:55] <Treenaks> it's browser-based.
[05:55] <|QuaD-_> isn't a server side script required to store stuf?
[05:55] <tseng> no
[05:55] <|QuaD-_> how does it store stuff
[05:56] <tseng> it saves over itself
[05:56] <|QuaD-_> on the server?
[05:56] <tseng> its 1 html file
[05:57] <tseng> there is no "sever"
[05:57] <tseng> you just need to try it, there is nothing to install
[05:57] <tseng> tbermans blog on planet.gnome.org
[05:58] <|QuaD-_> lemme look
[05:58] <\sh> 2. ride over coin2
[05:59] <|QuaD-_> interesting
[05:59] <tseng> oops
[05:59] <|QuaD-_> but i gotta run
[05:59] <tseng> i removed the main menu
[05:59] <|QuaD-_> ttyl
[05:59] <\sh> 0nly a few left for the transition
[06:08] <juanmals> hi everybody , I wish to know what do I have to do if i want my project to be included in the official repositories
[06:09] <chiefofthejojos> post it for review on the wiki?
[06:09] <juanmals> wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU?
[06:09] <juanmals> there?
[06:10] <\sh> juanmals: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages
[06:10] <juanmals> thans \sh
[06:10] <ogra> juanmals, depends, if you already made a ubuntu source package, yes
[06:10] <ogra> juanmals, if yu only want it included, put it on UniverseCandidates
[06:10] <juanmals> No , I ve never done a packagefor ubuntu
[06:11] <ogra> so put it on the UniverseCandidates page then :)
[06:11] <ogra> and either learn packaging here, or wait that someone from here packages it ;)
[06:11] <juanmals> We have done the deb package
[06:12] <dahane> ach was
[06:12] <ogra> so you also have a source package
[06:12] <juanmals> yes
[06:12] <ogra> thats a good start ;)
[06:12] <ogra> then you can put a link to the source package on MOTUNewPackages ;)
[06:12] <\sh> dahane: ??
[06:13] <dahane> das war nen kollege grad der vor mein pc sass...
[06:13] <juanmals> thanks a lot ogra
[06:13] <ogra> dahane, wer ?
[06:16] <juanmals> how do I add it in MOTUNewPackages, I only find a list, no form or any other way to add a package to be revised
[06:16] <\sh> juanmals: log into the wiki -> edit this page
[06:16] <juanmals> ok
[06:17] <dahane> don't think that you now him ogra ;)
[06:17] <juanmals> I do have to log in, I had not seen it sorry
[06:17] <ogra> dahane, i didnt expect to :)
[06:17] <\sh> well, this is really nice..listening to bon jovi and hacking on stuff while laying on the bed and relaxing
[06:18] <dahane> ok, i'm afk now. we want to grill some wrstchen :>
[06:18] <dahane> cya's
[06:19] <ogra> dahane, na denn viel spass :) geniess das wetter...
[06:24] <\sh> 3. coin2 ide
[06:24] <\sh> +r
[06:25] <juanmals> \sh I don't reallly understand how do I add the package, I've registered and logged in, and when I click edit, I am behind a form to modify the content
[06:26] <\sh> juanmals: right :) and now take the examples from the other people in this source and adjust it to your infos for your package
[06:28] <juanmals> but I dont know who will be the package mantainer
[06:28] <\sh> juanmals: if you build the package...you are
[06:28] <juanmals> ok
[06:29] <juanmals> I thought that it was like debian, in wich only a dd can mantain a package
[06:31] <jamessan> that's not the way it is in debian
[06:31] <jamessan> I maintain a few debian packages and I'm not a dd  :)
[06:31] <juanmals> But  to include a package in debian it has to be sponsored by a debian dev
[06:32] <juanmals> that checks wheter the package is built correctly
[06:33] <\sh> its the same here with ubuntu :)
[06:33] <juanmals> So I have to list the package there and the an ubuntu dev will sponsor my package
[06:36] <\sh> juanmals: right
[07:40] <herve> hi!
[07:41] <ogra> hey herve
[07:45] <\sh> huhu herve#
[07:47] <herve> yeah, sharp herve :-)
[07:47] <herve> but exhausted
[07:47] <herve> I climbed at 1500 meters high, a 2.5 km walk
[07:48] <herve> but the sightseeing was fantastic
[07:48] <\sh> wow
[07:48] <\sh> well, next year i will do a nice long holiday but right now too much work to do
[07:49] <\sh> so nothing with real relaxing ;)
[07:50] <herve> sadly, I forgot my camera!
[07:53] <herve> what happened to the sound output?
[07:53] <herve> it's awful!
[07:58] <herve> \sh, you're working too much :-)
[07:59] <\sh> I have to get the money for my exwife ;)
[08:01] <\sh> s/get/earn/
[08:25] <herve> time for a flammekueche :-)
[08:26] <\sh> for a what?
[08:27] <herve> ogra knows!
[08:27] <\sh> flammkuchen ?
[08:27] <\sh> ogra: !translate flammekueche
[08:30] <herve> \sh, use google image :-)
[08:30] <herve> but no google smell yet!
[08:30] <herve> see you
[08:31] <\sh> ah
[08:31] <\sh> flammkuchen :)
[08:32] <\sh> the alsace type of pizza ;)
[08:35] <doko> \sh: so, which packages do you want to have reviewed first?
[08:36] <\sh> doko: no one :) i saw only that u already reviewed 2 of them ;)
[09:14] <abelli> ciao
[09:35] <zyga> is there any legal way to get adom into universe/restricted-universe?
[09:35] <siretart> zyga: what is adom?
[09:36] <zyga> siretart: adom.de, ancient domains of mystery, a popular rougelike game
[09:36] <zyga> siretart: it's not FOSS unfortunatly
[09:36] <siretart> zyga: under what conditions may it be distributed?
[09:36] <zyga> siretart: license retainded and such stuff, wait
[09:38] <siretart> zyga: if I read the FAQ correctly, there is not even sourcecode available.
[09:38] <zyga> siretart: exactly, it's close sourced
[09:38] <zyga> siretart: but it may be redistributed freely
[09:38] <siretart> zyga: this would meen, that this game is unredistributable. the only way would be to package an installer for adom, and distribute that with ubuntu
[09:39] <siretart> zyga: but precompiled binaries will not be distributed with ubuntu
[09:39] <zyga> siretart: that's acceptable
[09:39] <zyga> siretart: well some drivers are (nvidia, ati)
[09:40] <siretart> zyga: the installer is the way how sun java, or the non free flash plugin is packaged
[09:40] <siretart> zyga: jay, but I wouldn't dare even ask #ubuntu-devel for that ;)
[09:41] <jay> how'd i get pulled into this? :P
[09:41] <siretart> to be honest, you're right, there are some exceptions for the binary only drivers, for being able to support more hardware.
[09:41] <zyga> siretart: only once thing concerns me
[09:42] <zyga> siretart: (you can see the license by running ./adom -b, I could not find it online)
[09:42] <zyga> siretart: paragraph 3 says: you can redistribute adom only as a package in which you recived it
[09:43] <zyga> siretart: and the package is a .tar.gz containing adom binary and three txt files (readme's and manuals)
[09:43] <siretart> zyga: ok. that means that adom is unfortunatly not distributable for ubuntu
[09:44] <zyga> siretart: adom developer is FOSS friendly and I think he might change that if it suits us better
[09:44] <zyga> siretart: but I'm also thinking about less difficult approach ;-)
[09:45] <zyga> siretart: ubuntu could have a simple script that fetches the .tar.gz, and extracts it to proper places
[09:45] <siretart> zyga: yes, that would be possible. to package an installer, like the flashplugin-nonfree installer
[09:45] <siretart> and put that to contrib, err multiverse
[09:46] <zyga> siretart: one last thing adom binary should go to /usr/games or to /usr/bin?
[09:47] <siretart> hm. would your package support easy uninstallation upon removal?
[09:47] <siretart> if yes, then /usr/games. if not, I'd propose /usr/local/adoms, but I'd rather hear more opinions..
[09:48] <zyga> siretart: I'm not familiar with building debs, I can quickly give you a adom-installer.sh that will accept uninstall argument
[09:48] <herve> I doubt the policy or lsb let writing into /usr/local
[09:49] <zyga>  /usr/games is bettter IMHO
[09:49] <herve> anyway, I doubt the interest of such a package
[09:49] <siretart> herve: me too.
[09:49] <siretart> zyga: better let the caller decide in which directory it should install adoms
[09:50] <zyga> siretart: err, that would require debian-like 100 questions left installer
[09:50] <zyga> siretart: I'm targeting something like: apt-get install adom
[09:50] <herve> showing the adom developers the opportunities of opening their code is better
[09:51] <siretart> zyga: yes, I didn't say interactive, I said 'let the caller of you shellscript decide'
[09:51] <zyga> herve: that is not going to happer - there is only one developer and he stated opening the source would reveal lots of secret stuff about game plot and he does not want that to happen
[09:51] <herve> sad
[09:52] <zyga> the way adom is written probably makes it impossible to split code from data
[09:52] <herve> but it never prevented gamers from cheating in windows games ;-)
[09:52] <siretart> herve: well, his userbase seems to be diffrent from the typical 'windows gamer' ;)
[09:52] <zyga> herve: it's not about cheating really - after about ten years or so many things in this game are still a mistery
[09:53] <zyga> herve: compare that to nethack's apt-get source nethack
[09:53] <herve> I'm not in the nethack thing at all ;-)
[09:54] <siretart> zyga: his motives are understandable. but you must also see the point of view for the ftpmasters of ubuntu
[09:54] <zyga> siretart: I'm trying to get the best of both worlds
[09:56] <siretart> zyga: ubuntu is about free software. adoms is cleary not free. there is some other non free software in ubnut, thats right. but thats not our main goal
[09:56] <herve> and people can easily use the binary
[09:56] <jay> if it's as simple as a tar xzf adom.tar.gz to run it what's the point in packaging it?  especially considering its audience
[09:56] <siretart> zyga: an installer package would be acceptable, but as herve said, we have doubts how many user would rather use the installer than installing it directly as upstream suggests
[09:56] <herve> and I suspect the audience of adom is geeks ;-)
[09:57] <zyga> herve: you suspect partially right ;-)
[10:02] <zyga> that'll be my personal learn-deb-packaging-quest ;] 
[10:03] <herve> there are better ways to learn debian packaging
[10:04] <herve> starting with helping foss projects needing it
[10:04] <ogra> yeah, transitioning C++ packages for example ....
[10:04] <zyga> herve: this one will serve a purpose, others would probably be academic, no?
[10:05] <herve> zyga, which purpose, since it is already packaged in a tarball
[10:06] <herve> ubuntu packages are not academic, there are the reality of 99% the archive
[10:06] <zyga> herve: being able to install it via apt-get
[10:06] <herve> and I saw packages from debian really not academic :-)
[10:06] <zyga> herve: packaging real-world stuff is probably more difficult to learn :-)
[10:06] <herve> certainly not
[10:07] <zyga> by academic I was thinking about following some deb-packaging-howto
[10:07] <herve> we don't ask you to package OOo
[10:07] <siretart> apropos CXX Transistion, does anyone want to review http://siretart.tauware.de/ubuntu-packages/poker3d/ ;)
[10:07] <herve> sure you to follow such a howto, that's the reality of packaging
[10:08] <herve> siretart, will do
[10:08] <siretart> :)
[10:08] <ogra> siretart, i'll do y reviewing sunday tomorrow...as long as the package is linked on the transition list or in the bug report, i'll review it
[10:09] <siretart> ah, great
[10:09] <abelli> ogra: hi, someone told me that you are going to review ruby's gem integration in breezy right?
[10:09] <herve> by the way, could you me help on amd64/ia64 g++ build failures?
[10:09] <ogra> abelli, huh ?
[10:09] <ogra> ruby ?
[10:09] <abelli> ogra: im just asking it .. :)))
[10:09] <ogra> who is ruby ?
[10:09] <abelli> ogra: dont dont .. swear.
[10:10] <abelli> please matz forgive him.
[10:10] <abelli> ogra: ruby is an OO scripting language.
[10:10] <ogra> ah, i think i heard of it...
[10:10] <abelli> ruby is Good, ruby is faithful ..
[10:10] <herve> very popular in japan
[10:10] <ogra> but i'm not sure i'm the person who could review such a thing
[10:10] <abelli> ogra: i think you're going to broke some part of your body in the near future ..
[10:11] <abelli> s/broke/break
[10:11] <ogra> at least not for other stuff then packaging
[10:11] <herve> siretart, 27 Mb of sources, you'll pay me this!! :-)
[10:11] <ogra> abelli, python is good, python is faithful :)
[10:11] <herve> 27 MB, not Mb, english units suck!
[10:11] <abelli> gem is a system for packaging and installing ruby-based applications.
[10:12] <ogra> aha
[10:12] <siretart> herve: oh, then wait for ogra doing it tomorrow ;)
[10:12] <herve> distutils ;-)
[10:12] <abelli> ogra: so you're refusing your perl-hacker past?
[10:12] <herve> ho I'll have finished downloading before tomorrow, hopefully ;-)
[10:12] <ogra> abelli, nope, not at all
[10:12] <abelli> ogra: shame on you .. distruction ..
[10:12] <herve> abelli, I don't see the point :-)
[10:13] <ogra> abelli, but i'm not doing perl anymore, ecause i'm twice as fast in python
[10:13] <abelli> herve: ohh ok dont worry i see it.
[10:13] <abelli> ogra: swearing freely ..
[10:13] <herve> and you can review your own code 6 months later ;-)
[10:13] <abelli> that's bad.
[10:13] <tseng> anyone here into icons work?
[10:13] <abelli> common sense.
[10:13] <ogra> tseng, whats the prob ?
[10:13] <tseng> ogra: tomboy
[10:14] <ogra> dont we have all jimmac icons ?
[10:14] <tseng> yes
[10:14] <tseng> but upstream hates them
[10:14] <tseng> < orph> tseng, so fucking get an artist to send me some more
[10:14] <tseng> heh
[10:14] <ogra> so they want new ones ?
[10:14] <tseng> yes
[10:15] <ogra> hmm... dunno if i'll find the time... but if i stumbel across an artist, i'll send him to you
[10:15] <abelli> tseng: did he (orph) study literature in oxford?
[10:15] <tseng> doubt it
[10:16] <abelli> such a style :)
[10:16] <herve> tseng, could I see these jimmac icons somewhere?
[10:16] <ogra> at jimmacs homepage
[10:16] <tseng> i dont think he wants anything having to do with notes or wikis
[10:16] <herve> why didn't I think about it ;-)
[10:16] <tseng> he told me to get him a tree, because tomboys climb trees :P
[10:17] <abelli> tseng: that's firenze .. yeah literature in firenze .. dolce stil novo.
[10:17] <tseng> abelli: i think im missing the joke/reference
[10:18] <siretart> do cxx library packages need to be renamed, even when there was no version of them in hoary or earlier?
[10:18] <abelli> tseng: its not a real problem :) .. eventually .. excuse me .. its too late for my humour. .
[10:18] <herve> siretart, we need to mark the change of abi for other libs and applications
[10:19] <abelli> ok thank you for listening .. ogra im waiting for your work on ruby-gem's infrastructure ..
[10:19] <ogra> siretart, then they'll sit in NEW anyway and have to get manual approval from elmo
[10:19] <abelli> herve: you too .. thank you, im sure you'll work it out easily :).
[10:19] <siretart> ogra: im talking about libaqbanking. it's listed on http://packages.ubuntu.com/libaqbanking only for breezy
[10:20] <abelli> everybody good night .. good saturday night fever.
[10:20] <ogra> abelli, g'night
[10:20] <herve> bye abelli
[10:20] <siretart> and seems to have passed NEW. but I dont find any buildlog for it on lamonts site
[10:20] <siretart> bye abelli
[10:20] <abelli> ciao, peace. :)
[10:21] <herve> siretart, I hope you're not in a hurry... still downloading!
[10:21] <siretart> gnarf, I'm too dump for searching :(
[10:21] <siretart> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/liba/libaqbanking/1.0.9-2/ here it is
[10:21] <siretart> herve: :)
[10:22] <herve> well, jimmac is certainly not an amateur, orph is nothing but gratitiously insultive
[10:22] <herve> those developers and their ego :-)
[10:22] <siretart> ogra: should it be renamed to libaqbanking0c2 or libaqbankingc20 then?
[10:23] <siretart> i'd prefer the former..
[10:23] <herve> me too
[10:23] <herve> just for not reading "c20"
[10:23] <ogra> siretart, is the name of the binary package only libaqbanking ?
[10:23] <herve> but the wiki pages gives tips about it
[10:24] <siretart> ogra: the binary package name is libaqbanking0
[10:24] <ogra> then c2 is the correct extension....
[10:24] <siretart> ok
[10:26] <ogra> tseng, 0.7 ?? already ?
[10:26] <ogra> tseng, you are to fast ;)
[10:26] <tseng> ogra: its been out for days
[10:26] <tseng> ive had it in my ~
[10:26] <tseng> forgot to upload
[10:26] <herve> siretart, why is there a CVSROOT package in your package?
[10:26] <ogra> days *g*
[10:27] <herve> tseng, the seb128 of mono!
[10:27] <herve> :-)
[10:27] <tseng> herve: indeed
[10:27] <tseng> latexer and I actually had a race for blam
[10:27] <tseng> the moment upstream announced it
[10:27] <tseng> i lost :(
[10:27] <ogra> tseng, all mono devs will change to ubuntu because youre so fast ;)
[10:27] <tseng> stupid /usr/share/dotnet
[10:27] <tseng> ogra: some of them are already big fans
[10:28] <siretart> herve: err, sorry? where do you see that?
[10:28] <ogra> hehe, i guess thats also your fault ;)
[10:28] <tseng> more will switch after release
[10:28] <tseng> when we have stable and rocking mono support
[10:28] <ogra> yeah
[10:28] <herve> siretart, actually there's a bunch of new files
[10:29] <siretart> herve: i'll look at it
[10:29] <herve> siretart, debdiff against ubuntu1 :-)
[10:29] <tseng> meebey caught some missing files in my gtk-sharp2 stuff
[10:29] <ogra> great
[10:30] <tseng> im trying to fix my gst-multiverse atm
[10:30] <tseng> for -lame
[10:30] <tseng> seb never commented on it
[10:31] <herve> what about it?
[10:31] <ogra> hmm, poke him again
[10:31] <tseng> herve: what what about it?
[10:31] <herve> tseng, gst and lame, what happened?
[10:31] <tseng> gst-faad, faac, lame w/o lame marillat crap
[10:31] <tseng> what happened was wrong build-dep I think
[10:32] <siretart> herve: strange. it has a build dependency on cvs
[10:32] <herve> tseng, so package broken, nothing worst?
[10:32] <tseng> yes?
[10:33] <tseng> the package only exists on my laptop
[10:33] <tseng> so no biggie
[10:33] <herve> haggai, it was dropped?
[10:33] <tseng> im really not sure what you are getting at
[10:34] <herve> s/haggai/ha
[10:34] <tseng> do we have one for lame?
[10:34] <herve> I'm trying to track the news in ubuntu world :-)
[10:34] <tseng> definately not for faac
[10:34] <tseng> Reinstallation of gstreamer0.8-lame is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[10:34] <tseng> see
[10:35] <tseng> there was never such a package
[10:35] <tseng> afaik
[10:35] <ogra> in marillat there was...
[10:35] <herve> hmm... I think I know why I keep poking h*a*g*g*a*i... xchat feature
[10:35] <tseng> well that one would not work for us
[10:35] <herve> okay, I think I get it
[10:35] <tseng> it was just an add on to the gstreamer-plugins source packag
[10:35] <ogra> herve, any KDE or openoffice ambitions ?
[10:35] <tseng> not s second package that could go in multiverse
[10:36] <herve> ogra, my mental health is too precious ;-)
[10:36] <ogra> heh
[10:36] <herve> ha, test 1 2 1 2
[10:36] <herve> ogra, for the transition or the near future?
[10:37] <ogra> herve, nope, because xchat always lets you ping one of the maintainers ;)
[10:37] <herve> lol ok
[10:38] <herve> good thing daniel let his machine up
[10:39] <ogra> he is pretty sure working on it...
[10:40] <herve> whoops! I bother him enough to work on his thesis not to disturb him
[10:40] <herve> ogra, would you pbuild a package for me then? :-)
[10:40] <ogra> herve, if he knows you are working on his machine, its ok...
[10:41] <herve> not now
[10:41] <ogra> herve, only if it builds relatively quick, my temperature adjustment on the laptop is pretty broken, if i compile longer the 5 mins it overheats
[10:42] <herve> then no
[10:42] <herve> it was close to burn mine :-)
[10:42] <ogra> herve, what is it ?
[10:42] <herve> tulip... yes, again
[10:42] <ajmitch> hi
[10:42] <herve> yo ajmitch!
[10:42] <ogra> herve, oh... how long ?
[10:42] <herve> about an hour
[10:42] <ogra> argh
[10:43] <herve> and intensive memory usage
[10:43] <ogra> thats to long... mono takes 20 min... and is only doable with the hairdryer currently...
[10:43] <ogra> hmm
[10:44] <herve> I had to buy a cooling base as for me
[10:47] <herve> ogra, can I make a request for cputemp?
[10:48] <ogra> sure, but i cant promise anything, its a pt project
[10:48] <ogra> pet even
[10:48] <herve> deactivate opening the menu or adding one
[10:48] <herve> for now it's the notification area menu
[10:48] <herve> and when you think you're removing cputemp, you're removing the whole area
[10:49] <ogra> oh, yes
[10:49] <ogra> feel free to change it ;)
[10:50] <ogra> (or even to package it )
[10:50] <herve> when I learn pygtk :-)
[10:50] <ogra> arent you the python guy ?
[10:50] <zyga> siretart: ping
[10:50] <herve> before packaging, you had to find a common path to the temp entry in /proc
[10:50] <siretart> zyga: pong
[10:50] <herve> ogra, I'm not afraid about python but gtk!
[10:50] <zyga> siretart: http://www.suxx.pl/adom-manager
[10:51] <zyga> siretart: what should I do to wrap that into a .deb
[10:51] <siretart> herve: the clean target seems to be broken. I reuploaded poker3d. please recheck
[10:51] <siretart> herve: this time those strange cvs file should be gone
[10:51] <herve> okay
[10:51] <ogra> herve, scan the subdirs of /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/
[10:52] <zyga> siretart: some things are sketchy but it works
[10:52] <herve> ogra, you're serious? because sure I would package a package
[10:52] <herve> (I really like the "package" word this night...)
[10:53] <ogra> it needs some autoscan love, then its suitable for common use i think
[10:53] <herve> we have different name for our thermal zone
[10:53] <ogra> so go aherd, implement the missing bit ad package
[10:53] <ogra> a package
[10:53] <herve> but how to know how many there are
[10:53] <ogra> ask users ?
[10:53] <herve> good thing, a poll!
[10:54] <zyga> siretart: I've just found a .deb (on the official site) for an outdated version
[10:54] <ogra> or write a error message "unknown thermal zone detected please mail the output of ls /......... to herve"
[10:55] <zyga> siretart: I'm sure adom developer would agree to package a newer release
[10:55] <siretart> zyga: this brings me an idea: why does the maintainer not provide up to date debs?
[10:56] <siretart> zyga: he could also provide nice apt lines for sources.list
[10:56] <zyga> siretart: he's far too busy probably
[10:56] <zyga> siretart: I'll mail him
[10:56] <herve> ogra, will do next week
[10:56] <ogra> go ahead ;)
[10:56] <zyga> siretart: I also doubt that he can make debs
[10:56] <herve> I also have a pygame version of xbill to freshen and package
[10:56] <zyga> siretart: many contributed builds are listed on the official page (including some obscure amiga builds)
[10:57] <siretart> hehe
[10:58] <herve> siretart, did you check the debian/*.files are updated?
[10:58] <herve> er... what am I telling...
[10:59] <herve> the library file doesn't change its name
[10:59] <siretart> certainly not. gnarf. just a moment
[10:59] <herve> otherwise, your changes are ok to me
[11:03] <ogra> the "file" shouldnt hange the name, only the package
[11:04] <herve> yes, me fool
[11:05] <herve> no one having an amd64 or ia64 and spare cpu?
[11:07] <siretart> herve: poker3d updated, again
[11:07] <herve> what did you have to change?
[11:07] <siretart> herve: these *.files
[11:07] <herve> why?
[11:07] <herve> :-)
[11:08] <siretart> herve: I renamed the binary package names and forgot to rename the *.files too
[11:08] <herve> ogra, orienting a usb fan towards the keyboard also helps the temperature issue :-)
[11:09] <herve> haha! I knew there was something to do with the *.files or *.shlibs !
[11:09] <ogra> siretart, look also at the contents of the files, there are temp paths inside sometimes that need that name change too
[11:09] <herve> no, that's ok for this
[11:10] <herve> I checked all files in debian/
[11:10] <ogra> i.e. debian/libblah1/usr/.... might become debian/libblah1c2/usr
[11:10] <ogra> so the taregtdir changed....
[11:11] <zyga> siretart: I've mailed adom developer and asked him about making it possible for ubuntu to package adom
[11:11] <herve> siretart, your package is ready then
[11:11] <zyga> siretart: and also about possible builds for other arches
[11:11] <siretart> herve: great! :)
[11:11] <siretart> zyga: lets see what he tells
[11:12] <herve> siretart, you still need doko's approval of the debdiff? I can upload it?
[11:13] <ogra> herve, go ahead, buildd time is cheap if nobody has to touch anything manually
[11:13] <siretart> herve: err, do I need his approval?
[11:13] <siretart> I'd agree to ogra
[11:13] <herve> siretart, I mean, approving the bug in bugzilla
[11:13] <ogra> siretart, if in doubt, yes... but i think we just can go ahead
[11:14] <herve> ogra, to the infinity and beyond!
[11:14] <doko> ogra can review it as well, it would be nice if somebody can review it
[11:14] <ogra> doko, i trust herves skills...
[11:14] <ogra> (he wouldnt be a motu if i wouldnt)
[11:14] <siretart> ah. I understand
[11:15] <siretart> :)
[11:15] <herve> good thing... debuild -S is trying to build the package...
[11:15] <ogra> thats what its supposed to, isnt it ?
[11:16] <ogra> :)
[11:16] <herve> I mean, the binary packages :-)
[11:16] <ogra> hrm
[11:16] <doko> herve, yes please upload if you think it's ok
[11:19] <herve> ok... I got it
[11:19] <herve> the clean target has a dependency on config.status
[11:19] <herve> which launches the configure script
[11:19] <herve> *hell*
[11:20] <siretart> this wasn't my fault!
[11:20] <herve> no, I know :-)
[11:20] <siretart> :)
[11:21] <herve> I sometimes wonder how some DD got their status
[11:23] <ogra> its not how they get it, its what do they do afterwards ....
[11:24] <herve> good point
[11:24] <ogra> i guess the cleanest packages in debian are NM packages ;)
[11:24] <siretart> ;)
[11:24] <herve> thinking about the python-iconv package still gives me chill in the spine
[11:25] <herve> now I have the build deps, I can build the source package... gniiii!
[11:27] <herve> siretart, uploade
[11:27] <herve> d
[11:27] <siretart> herve: great! :)
[11:28] <herve> ogra, I wonder if you're serious or laughing at me :-)
[11:28] <ogra> i'm serious
[11:28] <ogra> :)
[11:28] <herve> seriously laughing :-)
[11:28] <ogra> heh
[11:30] <siretart> :)
[11:30] <herve> siretart, the patch I saw in poker3d will probably save tulip too!
[11:31] <herve> g++ was complaining about loss of precision
[11:31] <herve> so I would change the unsigned to an unsigned long
[11:33] <herve> siretart, better than that! poker3d had exactly the same problem!
[11:34] <siretart> herve: :)
[11:35] <siretart> I'm having here a program, that overloads operator new with (unsigned int, ... )
[11:35] <siretart> :(
[11:35] <siretart> and to make it even worse: the source is generated
[11:35] <herve> tulip was kind like it, but some operator() method/function
[11:35] <herve> muhahahaha! sorry...
[11:37] <siretart> I reported it upstream (well, I see him on monday at work ;) )
[11:37] <herve> hehe
[11:37] <doko> siretart, herve: you know the list of existing patches for these kind of bugs?
[11:37] <herve> doko, bugs.debian.org/reporter=andreas or something like that?
[11:38] <doko> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCxxTransition
[11:39] <siretart> doko: yes, I took the patch from the debian bts
[11:39] <doko> :)
[11:40] <herve> mine wasn't in the bts!
[11:41] <herve> I need not to forget to report it, by the way
[11:42] <herve> boy, what a day
[11:42] <herve> night all
[11:43] <siretart> night, herve!
[11:44] <ogra> night herve
[11:44] <herve> watch for poker3d and tulip to build! :-)
[11:44] <ogra> yeah
[11:47] <Pupeno> hello
[11:48] <Pupeno> While making the package for sbcl, it failed to sign it (http://paste.lisp.org/display/8472). Did this abort other tasks or the packages are ready just that the .dsc file is not signed ? If so, I may just sign it and I'm done, right ?
[12:00] <Pupeno> noone ?