[12:00] <mattgirv> Has anyone noticed the repositories are fairly slow, the last couple of days?
[12:00] <klaas> mattgirv: nope.
[12:00] <mattgirv> I am only downloading at 50kb/s, at http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/
[12:00] <LinuxJones> selinium, some applications like acrobat and firefox have problems printing from gnome. You can have a look here >> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2384.html
[12:00] <HappyFool> Pupeno: what i did when developing some python code was to install latest / cvs versions of stuff i need in $HOME/usr
[12:01] <selinium> HappyFool: yes it sends the file to lpr which is also a bit poo! :)
[12:01] <linukso> shadeofgrey: ah, now I remember: apt-get install planner. That was what I was thinking of
[12:01] <_phate_> how do I get tar to decompress an archive to a specific directory
[12:01] <Ali_Baba> zazeem: have you looked ubuntu forums HOWTO sounds threads?
[12:01] <guerby> HappyFool, I tried various -Wl,xxx invocations but it doesn't want to look at /lib32 ...
[12:01] <Pupeno> HappyFool: that's a possible alternative, I want something more integrated on the system. I believe /usr/local/ exists for that purpose.
[12:01] <selinium> LinuxJones: cheers for that!
[12:01] <zazeem> wha??
[12:01] <guerby> HappyFool, anyway thanks for the moral support :)
[12:01] <zazeem> i just installed ubuntu a few hours ago
[12:01] <HappyFool> ;)
[12:01] <linukso> Pupeno: I find gentoo a more suitable platform for developement.
[12:01] <zazeem> wheres that thread
[12:01] <zazeem> ?
[12:02] <thr1ce> zazeem, if it says nothing, then it worked
[12:02] <Pupeno> linukso: well, I have to agree that it was easier to get a good Lisp environment on Gentoo than on Ubuntu, but I'm tired of compiling kernels and having to make everything else work, by hand.
[12:02] <zazeem> i tried et
[12:02] <LinuxJones> selinium, ;)
[12:02] <zazeem> no sound still in it lol
[12:02] <HappyFool> Pupeno: yeah, but you never need to sudo / su anything. i feel that my system is fairly 'safe' if i work in my home dir
[12:02] <zazeem> everywhere but et
[12:02] <zazeem> :/
[12:02] <humbraro> Blaine
[12:02] <Ali_Baba> zazeem: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30076
[12:02] <HappyFool> Pupeno: obviously this is of no use if more than one user needs the stuff
[12:02] <Acer> Quick question: I filled in the info for the ShipIt thing, and clicked "update info" at the bottom. It said "You requested X CDs. They will be shipped the following address:...". Does that mean they are going to be shipped, and I don't have to do anything else?
[12:02] <thr1ce> run killall esd && /home/you/bin/et"  or whatever; try that, and that will determine if it's esd or not
[12:02] <guerby> HappyFool, do you know in what channel I might find debian/gcc specialists?
[12:03] <mole_> g'day all
[12:03] <linukso> Pupeno: I know... Been using Ubuntu for about a week, and I must say that is has its strength and weekness
[12:03] <HappyFool> guerby: sorry, no. i guess you could try #gcc. i don't know how friendly they are
[12:03] <danko123456> gday, mole.
[12:03] <guerby> HappyFool, they're friendly but no  debian guy at the moment
[12:03] <linukso> Pupeno: compared to gentoo, but one cant have everything...
[12:04] <mole_> anyone have any idea how to correct this error?
[12:04] <mole_> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[12:04] <mole_> after apt-get update
[12:04] <zazeem> heres what i got zazeem@ubuntu:~$ killall esd && /home/zazeem/enemy-territory/et esd: no process killed
[12:04] <Anubis> I can I change the rtsp handler in FF
[12:04] <Pupeno> linukso: yes, I agree... I just feel that I was spending too much time on side tasks instead of my own tasks, like programming, that's why I looked a more automatic solution than Gentoo.
[12:04] <thr1ce> zazeem, but et runs right?
[12:04] <zazeem> ya et runs
[12:05] <zazeem> no sound but runs
[12:05] <thr1ce> still no sound?
[12:05] <Anubis> How can I change the rtsp handler in Firefox/Mozilla
[12:05] <Ali_Baba> zazeem: sudo killall esd
[12:05] <zazeem> nope
[12:05] <Anubis> I don't want it to open Totme
[12:05] <Anubis> I want it to use Realplayer/Helix
[12:05] <thr1ce> zazeem, that's so strange; I wonder why it's not using esd for sound
[12:05] <IIIEars> What is the command to install  libdvdcss-1.2.8.tar.bz2?  sudo -k ./cconfigure && make && make install ?
[12:05] <zazeem> :|
[12:05] <linukso> Pupeno: know the feeling....
[12:05] <HappyFool> IIIEars: you only need sudo for the last step (make install)
[12:06] <Pupeno> anyway, my initial question remains, should I ask somewhere else, like a mailing list or forum ?
[12:06] <zazeem> want error
[12:06] <zazeem> ?
[12:06] <nickrud> IIIEars, tar jxvf libdvd..., first :)
[12:06] <thr1ce> yeah, don't configure and make while sudo
[12:06] <zazeem> ?
[12:06] <IIIEars> Cool! Thank You Happy Fool!         (getting high on linux power. - grin)
[12:06] <zazeem> ------- sound initialization -------
[12:06] <zazeem> /dev/dsp: Input/output error
[12:06] <zazeem> Could not mmap /dev/dsp
[12:06] <zazeem> ------------------------------------
[12:06] <IIIEars> Excellent! :)
[12:06] <zazeem> thats error
[12:07] <thr1ce> hm....
[12:07] <HappyFool> IIIEars: i have libdvdcss2 1.2.8 via synaptic; didn't need to build anything
[12:07] <thechitowncubs> Star Wars is great
[12:07] <nickrud> zazeem, try lsof /dev/dsp
[12:08] <zazeem> k
[12:08] <IIIEars> It was in synaptic also -i wanted the practice. - just a lazy saturday
[12:08] <thr1ce> lsof /dev/dsp
[12:08] <thr1ce> see what's goin on
[12:08] <zazeem> zazeem@ubuntu:~$ lsof /dev/dsp
[12:08] <zazeem> zazeem@ubuntu:~$
[12:08] <zazeem> thats all
[12:08] <zazeem> lol
[12:08] <thr1ce> that's good, it means nothing is open
[12:08] <zazeem> k
[12:08] <LinuxJones> Pupeno, if you'd like to package some stuff for Ubuntu you could ask in #ubuntu-motu
[12:09] <Pupeno> LinuxJones:
[12:09] <Pupeno> LinuxJones: thanks.
[12:09] <LinuxJones> Pupeno, ;)
[12:10] <marios> I'd like to programm for ubuntu :)
[12:10] <IIIEars> got a copy of The Incredibles - peek at the source build and  watch with my family
[12:12] <thechitowncubs> marios: i think the right channel for that is ubuntu-love
[12:12] <marios> I know :)
[12:13] <thechitowncubs> so y are you telling the commoners in here that :P
[12:14] <nickrud> zazeem, you still here?
[12:16] <danko123456> check this picture out... http://www.mts.net/~danb/Screenshot-3.png
[12:17] <nickrud> zazeem, thr1ce http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=289541
[12:18] <thr1ce> nickrud, that seems so strange...I wonder why it's not seeing esd has no running procs
[12:19] <nickrud> thr1ce, I don't have a clue, and I'm not sure what poking into /proc does in this case, but ...
[12:19] <thr1ce> nickrud, i mean procs as processes, sorry
[12:19] <nickrud> thr1ce, yeah, i understood you, the link does the poking :)
[12:20] <zazeem> im back
[12:20] <zazeem> sorry
[12:20] <thr1ce> zazeem, try that link that nickrud found...it might help
[12:21] <LazySod> I can't reach "preferences:///" in nautilus (swedish install)
[12:21] <zazeem> k
[12:21] <busybarks> g
[12:21] <NetGeek>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY merlin13
[12:21] <thr1ce> ...
[12:22] <LazySod> is it outdated?
[12:22] <IIIEars> ""/bill/libdvdcss-1.2.8 # sudo -k dpkg && make && sudo -k  make check-install"" - Missing the magic but where?
[12:22] <ronaldo> :)
[12:22] <nickrud> LazySod, I don't have it either, must be
[12:23] <NetGeek> thr1ce: damn it
[12:23] <thr1ce> :)
[12:23] <thr1ce> can gnome "shade" windows?
[12:23] <omV0> i tried to install Celestia but when i try to run it i get "Unable to resolve Xmu symbols - please check your Xmu library installation."
[12:23] <nickrud> thr1ce, yeah, in preferences
[12:23] <LazySod> nickrud: so, how do you change the manu?
[12:24] <LazySod> *menu
[12:24] <omV0> but i have Xmu libraries installed...
[12:24] <thr1ce> nickrud, is that new in 2.6.10?
[12:24] <omega_> anyone found a solution to the "cannot find default font "fixed"" with recent updates to breezy?
[12:24] <IIIEars> Nickrud - Linux guru, Do you know the magic incantation to bring super heroes to life on the screen? - grin
[12:24] <nickrud> LazySod, smeg ( a program ) is what most people seem to be using
[12:24] <danko123456> omega_: it would be in apt...
[12:24] <LazySod> okeli dokeli, i'll try it, thx
[12:24] <nickrud> IIIEars, yeah, mplayer :)
[12:25] <IIIEars> ROFL
[12:25] <mole_> anyone know how to fix this error?
[12:25] <mole_> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[12:25] <nickrud> thr1ce, no, metacity's always had it
[12:25] <mole_> sudo apt-get update doesn't seem to help
[12:25] <thr1ce> nickrud, oh...my bad; been awhile since i've used gnome; I know kde just tried in 3.4, and failed
[12:25] <IIIEars> okay - I appreciate what you showed me. - I'll grab it from synaptic and do it another day.
[12:25] <danko123456> mole_: yeah....maybe...maybe its down..or someting.
[12:26] <nickrud> thr1ce, you mean rolling up the window into the toolbar, right
[12:26] <IIIEars> my wife is clapping - lol
[12:26] <WiFiTux> Hi, can someone help me with my apt.conf with a squid proxy? I can it to work, but not in this specific network... :(
[12:26] <danko123456> clap back...
[12:26] <thr1ce> nickrud, yup; I found it though, thanks
[12:26] <mole_> I can get to the update servers no problem with a browser  -  perhaps a configuration problem with GPG?
[12:27] <nickrud> thr1ce, I just thought I'd seen it in kde the couple of times i fiddled with it
[12:27] <thr1ce> nickrud, in 3.4, it's an option, but for some reason won't stay shaded
[12:28] <WiFiTux> can someone please help me with the apt.conf? :(
[12:28] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: what did you tell me to change the other day for gpm?
[12:28] <Acer> Quick question: I filled in the info for the ShipIt thing, and clicked "update info" at the bottom. It said "You requested X CDs. They will be shipped the following address:...". Does that mean they are going to be shipped, and I don't have to do anything else?
[12:28] <nickrud> thr1ce, probably when you mouse over the scrolled up window top thingy
[12:28] <danko123456> mole_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/searchwiki?source=search&expr=Authentication&submit=Search
[12:28] <MonkeyBonkey> I gots a /
[12:28] <MonkeyBonkey> ?
[12:28] <thingfish> Acer: yes.
[12:28] <MonkeyBonkey> how can i make ubuntu run faster
[12:28] <Acer> kickin' rad
[12:29] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, you need to change the device under configured mouse to /dev/gpmdata
[12:29] <danko123456> MonkeyBonkey: slow yourself down...
[12:29] <wdh> MonkeyBonkey, buy a better computer
[12:29] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: and where was it at?
[12:29] <MonkeyBonkey> no its for my friends crappy P2
[12:29] <MonkeyBonkey> lol
[12:29] <danko123456> slow him down.
[12:29] <Putu_Pluto> Hello!
[12:29] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:29] <wdh> MonkeyBonkey, replace gnome with fvwm or xfce
[12:29] <hybrid_goth> ty
[12:29] <MonkeyBonkey> how?
[12:29] <danko123456> yo, Putu_Pluto
[12:29] <Putu_Pluto> Hi, danko
[12:30] <danko123456> MonkeyBonkey: in apt, synaptic
[12:30] <mole_> danko: thankyou
[12:30] <danko123456> yo
[12:30] <WiFiTux> I have Acquire::http::Proxy "http://alebonbe:password@172.16.8.1:3128/"; and only http sources in the sources.list, could there be something instead of ::http
[12:30] <zazeem> wow thr1ce and nickrud thnx!! it works!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:30] <zazeem> finally
[12:30] <zazeem> i can get rid of windows :D <3 <3 <3
[12:30] <zazeem> gtg ttytyl
[12:31] <XincX> hi
[12:31] <danko123456> T....
[12:31] <IIIEars> Eureka!  Nice link to building mplayer.    http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[12:32] <WiFiTux> am I being ignored here? :|
[12:32] <XincX> i am trying to configure my adsl internet, but when I am doing pppoeconf, it make me an error of "concentrateur "
[12:32] <wdh> WiFiTux, sure you are :)
[12:32] <WiFiTux> wdh: I know
[12:32] <thingfish> WiFiTux: no, probably just no one knows how to help.
[12:32] <danko123456> IIIEars: what if the release name changes?
[12:32] <wdh> WiFiTux, just wait for someone smart to read your question :)
[12:32] <WiFiTux> :(
[12:32] <WiFiTux> ok
[12:32] <thenuke> IIIEars: ? is that really necessary?
[12:32] <danko123456> WiFiTux: man, why do you have a proxy anyhow, what kinda q is that?
[12:32] <IIIEars> Yes it's for warty. - np - grin
[12:32] <wdh> WiFiTux, we all suck too hard to be able to help you :D
[12:32] <thenuke> IIIEars: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer  what about this?
[12:33] <danko123456> IIIEars: no, its for MPlayer-1.0pre5.tar.bz2...
[12:33] <IIIEars> naah - finding out how it works is great fun.
[12:33] <danko123456> anyhow, I have a good one for a while now.
[12:33] <danko123456> and it installs -dev codec package libs.
[12:35] <XincX> anyone can help me ?
[12:35] <thenuke> XincX: maybe, maybe not.
[12:36] <laosiano> XincX: don t ask to ask =)
[12:36] <LazySod> XincX said: i am trying to configure my adsl internet, but when I am doing pppoeconf, it make me an error of "concentrateur "
[12:36] <XincX> concentrateur is in french
[12:36] <LazySod> thenuke and laosiano see above
[12:36] <laosiano> i think that is router
[12:36] <danko123456> IIIEars: this is whack, a little... $ tar -xjf essential-20040922.tar.bz2  ...   $ sudo mkdir -p /usr/local/lib/codecs 	...     $ sudo cp essential-20040922/* /usr/local/lib/codecs/  he should just do a move.
[12:36] <thenuke> just did /last
[12:37] <thenuke> I always fell for those "cant or can anyone help me.."
[12:37] <thenuke> If anyone did not know, no one does not after a while either
[12:39] <danko123456> ha
[12:41] <danko123456> konversation terminated
[12:41] <philc1> I have linux on a system already. Can ubuntu's installer resize some reiserfs partitions to make room for itself during the install process?
[12:44] <tsume> anyone here use vsftpd with fxp support?
[12:45] <Putu_Pluto> bye
[12:45] <Putu_Pluto> good night
[12:45] <thechitowncubs> FXP?
[12:45] <Putu_Pluto> good night
[12:46] <Putu_Pluto> good night
[12:46] <Putu_Pluto> good night
[12:46] <Putu_Pluto> good night
[12:46] <Putu_Pluto> good night
[12:46] <Putu_Pluto> good night
[12:46] <Putu_Pluto> good night
[12:46] <Putu_Pluto> good night
[12:46] <Putu_Pluto> good night
[12:46] <Putu_Pluto> good night
[12:46] <Putu_Pluto> good night
[12:46] <alindeman> Putu_Pluto: ?
[12:46] <Putu_Pluto> good night
[12:46] <thechitowncubs> wtf
[12:46] <tsume> idiot
[12:46] <tsume> yes, FXP, its a server to server transfer
[12:46] <terje> hello.
[12:47] <tsume> alindeman: nice work ;)
[12:47] <terje> Anyone know how i can set how many xAgp i want to use with xorg?
[12:47] <terje> i want to set it to use 4x agp
[12:48] <thingfish> terje: that might be something you have to set in your system's BIOS.
[12:48] <terje> no
[12:48] <LazySod> hrm, how do i change the right-click menu (on the desktop)
[12:48] <LazySod> i can't find the right xml-file
[12:48] <LazySod> (an app would be wonderful)
[12:49] <The> Hi there
[12:50] <phantasyfin> Blah
[12:50] <The> Could u help me with a laptop issue?
[12:50] <phantasyfin> There is a guy that I know that has a problem. He's using the live cd and he says Ubuntu doesn't detect the C: drive, what should he do?
[12:51] <terje> br_uk_to is spamming
[12:51] <The> the specs?
[12:51] <nickrud> terje, option agpmode
[12:52] <LinuxJones> phantasyfin, check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:52] <The> has anyone tried to install on a acer laptop??
[12:52] <LinuxJones> phantasyfin, scroll down to the windows section
[12:53] <The> ???
[12:53] <timothy_> Yay! Ubuntu on my iBook works :) Thanks to all involved, if any are present.
[12:53] <The> Ibook are not acer!! ACER HATES LINUX!!
[12:53] <The> anyone had any succes?
[12:54] <phantasyfin> LinuxJones, thanks. Even though I don't like Ubuntu very mcuh >_> (Phlak user :o!) This will help person that I know out :p
[12:54] <nickrud> The, have you looked at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsAcer
[12:54] <timothy_> However, two questions are currently plaguing me: 1) it doesn't awake nicely from sleep. 2) I don't know how to control the screen brightness; hitting the appropriate built-in key for it does not affect it, IIRC (it's not open right now, I'm at a desktop machine) it brings up a help browser.
[12:54] <The> ANYONE! PLZ
[12:55] <timothy_> The: sorry, I don't have any Acer stuff ...
[12:55] <The> No im looking now THXNZZ
[12:56] <timothy_> Re: 1 (doesn't wake up nicely from sleep), in a bit I'll open it up and type in what appears on the screen ... it appears to be *nearly* waking up (reconnecting ethernet etc), but then just hangs.
[12:56] <The> but has anyone tried? both ubuntu and suse 9.2-9.3 cant figure out the battery
[12:57] <nalioth> timothy_: welcome to the current state of ibook ubuntu. mine doesnt wake up well, either
[12:57] <nalioth> timothy_: a bug has been filed at bugzilla.ubuntu.org about it, tho
[12:57] <timothy_> Ah: I see now that under "Known to NOT work" is  "sleep/suspend"
[12:57] <thingfish> boy me too
[12:57] <timothy_> nalioth: thanks, heh, at least I see I'm not the only one ;)
[12:58] <nalioth> timothy_: i just never shut the lid
[12:58] <timothy_> nalioth: not an option for me when working wireless from my car ... long story :)
[12:58] <nalioth> timothy_: what gets me is: yellowdog linux has the sleep thing working perfectly
[12:58] <timothy_> heh
[12:58] <timothy_> an ex-coworker of mine is very happy with yellowdog.
[12:59] <The> anyone who knows a distro that likes acer? (sorry for the dumb questions but im a noob)
[12:59] <nalioth> timothy_: i operate a taxicab
[12:59] <nalioth> timothy_: i strap it to the passenger seat
[12:59] <timothy_> (running on one of them whatcha-call-'em PPC machines, Pegasos,)
[01:00] <timothy_> nalioth: I have (but don't really use, because it no longer likes to stand straight) a purpose-built computer desk for the car.
[01:00] <Penguin> Hello, how do you do?
[01:00] <nalioth> timothy_: i was very happy with yellowdog (just not happy with RPM hell)
[01:00] <nalioth> timothy_: lucky you (cardesk)
[01:01] <thingfish> yellowdog is rpm-based?  I didn't know that.
[01:01] <nalioth> thingfish: ydl is currently based on fedora core 2 i believe
[01:02] <thingfish> nalioth: interesting.
[01:02] <timothy_> nalioth  <-- http://mobile.newsforge.com/print.pl?sid=04/07/15/1242252
[01:02] <nalioth> thingfish: timothy_ one wonders what is gonna happen when fedora core 4 is released...(PPC version is one of the new 'features')
[01:03] <timothy_> actually, I saw it running happily at ... LinuxWorld? No, OSCON, on FC2.
[01:03] <thingfish> nalioth: yes it will be interesting to see what happens.
[01:04] <timothy_> That is, a powerbook with FC2 running. Power button, volume, screen brightness, suspend -- all "just worked," though I didn't play with it long enough to find fault.
[01:04] <thingfish> it will have to be better than fc3, which was for me so buggy it's what caused me to abandon the fedora project.
[01:04] <timothy_> I assumed (but never checked) that PPC versions were available even then, but from what you're saying this isn't true.
[01:05] <aroman> is there a mirror to backports.ubuntuforums.com ? apt-get installing the packages from backports is slow to retrieve the files...
[01:05] <nalioth> aroman: backports has been acting up today
[01:05] <aroman> nalioth, been like that since I last installed ubuntu...
[01:05] <aroman> last weekend..
[01:05] <timothy_> The other day I just decided to kibosh OS X, and had downloaded PPC ubuntu's live disk, knew it supported the scanner I just got at a yard sale for $5 (which OS X does not), so I grabbed the installer disk.
[01:06] <|QuaD-_> anyone wanna help me with gpg? i am confused about terms?
[01:06] <Penguin> Does anybody know anything about using a scanner with Ubuntu?
[01:06] <|QuaD-_> what is a "fingerprint" that people add to the bottom of emails?
[01:06] <Penguin> My scanner doesn't work
[01:06] <tsume> damn, vsftpd is giving me hell
[01:06] <|QuaD-_> when people sign emails with a gpg key, do i have to have a copy of their key to validate?
[01:07] <K_Dallas> is there any messenger like client for linux which supports A/V ? gaim does not seem to be doing it. thanks
[01:07] <darkaudit> Penguin: check sane-project.org
[01:07] <timothy_> thingfish: I put FC3 on a desktop, am relatively happy with it after some tweaking based on sites googled; so I wouldn't say it was out-of-box happy for me, but I'm not *unhappy* with it either, and frankly it got me more used to and happy with gnome than the 1st ubuntu release did.
[01:07] <Penguin> I already did
[01:07] <Penguin> I have installed sane
[01:07] <darkaudit> Penguin: and your scanner is listed as working?
[01:07] <K_Dallas> Penguin, i just installed xsane and added myself to the scanner group and scanned the first page (usb scanner)
[01:08] <thingfish> timothy_: I had been with redhat and then fedora since redhat 7.something, so I was pretty used to gnome.
[01:08] <timothy_> Penguin: My Ubuntu install really did just work; I started xsane, and my scanner (HP 3300) was autodetected, I started scanning ...
[01:08] <thingfish> timothy_: I just hit a lot of bugs with fc3, beyond my ability to tolerate.
[01:08] <Penguin> xsane doesn't work
[01:09] <K_Dallas> what is the error?
[01:09] <timothy_> thingfish: I am a distro and DE / WM switcher; fickle to the point of insanity.
[01:09] <thingfish> and then I also decided I really don't care to help Red Hat make money without getting paid for it.
[01:09] <thingfish> hehe timothy_
[01:09] <Penguin> Wrong argument
[01:09] <Penguin> While opening 'gt68xx:libus:001:003'
[01:09] <timothy_> I am pretty happy with Ubuntu on my laptop, Mepis on this desktop, FC3 on a desktop in Texas, knoppix on the little machine I'll probably give to my niece ...
[01:10] <thingfish> I'm not so fickle myself.  I got hooked on debian a few months ago when I left fedora, and now I'm just waiting until sarge is released.
[01:10] <thingfish> I wanted to try Ubuntu, though.  It is nice.
[01:11] <Penguin> What can I do with my scanner?
[01:11] <K_Dallas> Penguin, is it a usb scanner?
[01:11] <Penguin> Yes, it is
[01:12] <K_Dallas> is it listed in lsusb
[01:12] <Penguin> Yes, it is
[01:12] <timothy_> thingfish: the reason I got FC3 is this: I had (for dumb, law-school application reasons) needed to convert my only reliable computer in Texas (where I live, officially, but am often not) into a Windows machine temporarily. Guess what? Windows doesn't even have a built-in burning program for CDs! And the drivers for my external drive (sheer luck I still had the CDs) decided that they...
[01:12] <timothy_> ...actually *don't* like XP, despite saying that they would work with it.
[01:12] <timothy_> So I had not distros to install, and needed one, couldn
[01:12] <Penguin> It is listed correctly
[01:12] <K_Dallas> Penguin, now you need an expert to help you, i am out of my wit sorry
[01:13] <Penguin> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 055f:0218 Mustek Systems, Inc. BearPaw 2400 TA
[01:13] <timothy_> 't burn one of the ones I had on an external disk, so I went to Barnes and Noble, and they had an English (UK) magazine with FC3 included ;)
[01:13] <K_Dallas> when you run xsane, does it say it was unable to find a scanner?
[01:13] <Penguin> Yes
[01:13] <thingfish> heh timothy_ that's about the easiest way to get a distro, can't beat that.
[01:13] <K_Dallas> (i had to add myself to scanner group to use it)
[01:14] <Penguin> And when I start Kooka, the same happens!
[01:14] <K_Dallas> you might want to try that just in case
[01:14] <timothy_> thingfish: Yes, it's tempting to subscribe, get a known-good ISO every month to try out :)
[01:14] <Penguin> So what must I do?
[01:14] <nalioth> timothy_: you should have known better than to poke the bear
[01:14] <K_Dallas> right now i am on debian but you should have system-tools users and groups in your application list
[01:14] <nalioth> timothy_: dealing with M$ is a nasty eXPerience
[01:14] <K_Dallas> run it and go to scanner group add root and yourself to it
[01:15] <timothy_> nalioth, you mean running Windows?
[01:15] <timothy_> Heh, yes, you do.
[01:15] <Penguin> hmm
[01:16] <nalioth> timothy_: the next time you have the urge for pervesity, try Win2k
[01:16] <timothy_> nalioth: Yeah, especially when one is basically unfamiliar with Windows -- it's annoying. I used to run Win2K for one purpose: it would work my 19.2k cellular modem, which Linux (at the time) would not ... I know that some people got it to work, but I never did.
[01:17] <nalioth> timothy_: i build puters and the only windoze i'll install (if the  customer pays me a windoze nuisance fee) is win2k
[01:17] <nalioth> timothy_: i build *nix boxen
[01:17] <thingfish> I just use windows because I like to flightsim and unfortunately flightgear just doesn't do it for me yet.
[01:17] <nalioth> timothy_: less liability
[01:17] <nalioth> ok gotta go
[01:18] <nalioth> c ya l8r
[01:18] <timothy_> nalioth: Yes, BUT law school means Windows XP, sadly.
[01:18] <timothy_> later
[01:18] <thingfish> later nalioth
[01:18] <nalioth> timothy_: not so
[01:18] <nalioth> timothy_: but that is a chat for another time
[01:18] <timothy_> heh
[01:18] <timothy_> later
[01:19] <pepsi> can i use breezy yet?
[01:19] <pepsi> ;)
[01:20] <sgtkernel> hehe
[01:20] <nalioth> pepsi, when you see "release candidate" in its name
[01:20] <pepsi> :(
[01:20] <nalioth> pepsi: otw, you may have more fun than you imagine
[01:20] <pepsi> i miss the daily updates
[01:21] <thingfish> switch to debian sid, you'll have all the updates you want.
[01:21] <Kartagis> hello
[01:22] <jinxi> what is the gnome webbrowser called?
[01:22] <thingfish> galeon?
[01:22] <thingfish> epiphany?
[01:23] <_simple> uh
[01:23] <_simple> gnome question
[01:23] <_simple> i'm using the gnome main menu bar, not the custom one..so how can i change the gnome icon to something else <--
[01:23] <tonquin> hi all,  i'm trying to xmms to play mp3 files.  totem plays them fine right now but xmms just seems to hang. is there a known fix for this?
[01:23] <_simple> there is a sticky in the ubuntu forum for that, but it's only to change the icon for the "menu bar"
[01:23] <_simple> not the main menu
[01:24] <thingfish> you probably need xmms-mad
[01:24] <timmow> tonquin: have you told xmms to use esd?
[01:24] <tonquin> not sure about esd...where do i do that?
[01:24] <Kartagis> what line in /etc/postfix/main.cf do I edit in order to stop my mail going as user@localhost.localdomain?
[01:26] <timmow> Rclick > Options > Preferences change oss to esd
[01:26] <timmow> or esound
[01:27] <sgtkernel> anybody have dvdshrink running under wine? i'm having trouble just getting the installer to fire up
[01:27] <Kartagis> what line in /etc/postfix/main.cf do I edit in order to stop my mail going as user@localhost.localdomain?
[01:27] <tonquin> timmow: i haven't told xmms to what to use....not sure where i should do it.
[01:28] <Jeezis00> ok, whenever i use synaptic or kynaptic it works fine until i try to commit the changes, then it says error 'k(s)ynaptic command not found
[01:30] <timmow> tonquin: just in preferences, but I just remember reading this on a thread, so don't know if its what you want
[01:32] <_simple> i'm using the gnome main menu bar, not the custom one..so how can i change the gnome icon to something else <--
[01:35] <REBELinBLUE> hey
[01:36] <tonquin> timmow: setting to esound worked...but it still seems flakey; after i paused it, it hung :o   thanks though :)
[01:36] <borkdox> hello
[01:36] <REBELinBLUE> has anyone managed to get Sonance installed as detailed at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17734
[01:36] <REBELinBLUE> ?
[01:37] <Thazza> Does anyone know if there is a Binary, of Mplayer for Ubuntu anywhere?
[01:37] <REBELinBLUE> only for warty I believe
[01:37] <borkdox> I am trying to reinstall my kernel (amd64) under breezy, apt-get is giving me /sbin/pivot_root, and thus an erro while configuring
[01:37] <sgtkernel> Thazza, just search for it in synaptic
[01:37] <REBELinBLUE> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[01:38] <Jeezis> ok, whenever i use synaptic or kynaptic it works fine until i try to commit the changes, then it says error 'k(s)ynaptic command not found
[01:38] <Jeezis> any ideas?
[01:40] <misfit_toy> thingfish, heheh, the dark side?
[01:40] <K_Dallas> ok guys! i have been digging in docs and googling and still cannot get this right. I appreciate any help: DSL connection is dropped for applications which go idel like browser but remains on for xchat for instance. each time i have to do poff -a and pon dsl-provider to get them back on line, what should i do?
[01:40] <borkdox> pivot_root is missing somehow
[01:40] <borkdox> and now I cannot install a kernel
[01:40] <borkdox> I have no ekrnel installed
[01:41] <neural> is there a amd64 port of kvirc3?
[01:42] <flaco_> hi
[01:42] <flaco_> anyone know how to config sound ??
[01:43] <whyameye> flaco_: what problem are you having with sound?
[01:43] <adam_> are there french here?
[01:44] <thingfish> surely there's someone French here.
[01:44] <adam_> arf
[01:44] <adam_> ^^
[01:44] <thingfish> wow, this is cool, never done chat before outside of X.
[01:44] <adam_> -_-
[01:45] <nalioth> adam have you tried #ubuntu-fr?
[01:46] <Thazza> REBELinBLUE, Tryied reading that.. tryed adding the backports.. it just tells me package not found
[01:46] <thingfish> how do you say "roach" in French?
[01:46] <K_Dallas> roach == cafard or something
[01:46] <anusaya> what's the command needed to create /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[01:47] <amonkey> how can i get totem to skip through a rm file that it thinks is streaming but really isn't?
[01:50] <REBELinBLUE> any idea where I can get these packages, done of them seem to be in the repositories
[01:50] <REBELinBLUE> configure: error: Library requirements (gtk-sharp-2.0 >= 1.9    gnome-sharp-2.0 >= 1.9  gnome-vfs-sharp-2.0 >= 1.9      glade-sharp-2.0 >= 1.9  gconf-sharp-2.0 >= 1.9  gapi-2.0 >= 1.9) not met;
[01:50] <adam_> who can help me?
[01:50] <adam_> ?? who can help me??
[01:51] <adam_> i'm new
[01:51] <adam_> and           i dont know how to install program
[01:51] <neural> apt-get install
[01:51] <neural> dpkg -i
[01:51] <hypa7ia> adam_: check out http://ubuntuguide.org
[01:52] <adam_> thx
[01:52] <adam_> i'm french :s
[01:52] <hypa7ia> adam_: je pense qui'il y a un #ubuntu-fr
[01:53] <neural> i need help for amd64: is there a simple way to install 32 bit software?
[01:53] <hypa7ia> i've got a bad HDD partition ("bad superblock" on mount) - is there any way to force-mount the partition?
[01:54] <neural> hypa7ia,  could you specify what command line you use?
[01:55] <hypa7ia> mount -t reiser /dev/hda4 /mnd/hda4
[01:55] <hypa7ia> err reiserfs
[01:55] <hypa7ia> the drive is dying... i just need to get the crap off of it
[01:56] <neural> seems corrupted but i think the superblock is backup somewhere in the middle of partition but i don't know with reiser
[01:56] <Tron|BoRG> yo,
[01:56] <omega_> giard: found a solution on the forums now
[01:56] <hypa7ia> neural: it's definitely corrupted :-(
[01:57] <Tron|BoRG> When I put 'service smb restart', i get 'bash: smb: command not found'
[01:57] <Tron|BoRG> or should i say bash: service:
[01:58] <neural> well kvirc3.2 compile fine on amd64 :) now try to install
[02:00] <hypa7ia> anyone know what the defauly block size is for reiser?
[02:01] <neural> uhmm some package guru could explain this?
[02:01] <neural> package architecture (x86_64) does not match system (amd64)
[02:07] <janice> Hi All, I have a strange message with the Update Notifier in Hoary. I get the message ' There is a new release of Ubuntu available! A new release with the codename 'hoary' is available. Please see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ for upgrade instructions.' Problem is, I have already updated to Hoary. Help1
[02:08] <janice> Why does this message appear and what should I do?
[02:08] <LinuxJones> janice, sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (it's probably just a package update which includes a warning)
[02:09] <janice> LinuxJones - Thanks for replying. What does the && do?
[02:09] <tandy> is it possible to store somehow all the packages i have installed on my machine, so that if i were to reinstall i could automatically get everything reinstalled
[02:09] <Quest-Master> janice: It means "and"
[02:09] <tandy> not store the actually packages just the names
[02:10] <LinuxJones> janice, the && is for stringing more than one command to be issued to the system
[02:10] <Tron|BoRG> anyone used vino before?
[02:10] <Tron|BoRG> can you specify a port for it?
[02:10] <LinuxJones> janice, it's actually 2 commands you'll be running in sequence
[02:10] <janice> LinuxJones - So the entire string to enter is 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgradde'. Please confirm.
[02:10] <Kartagis> what line in /etc/postfix/main.cf do I edit in order to stop my mail going as user@localhost.localdomain?
[02:11] <LinuxJones> janice, >> sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:11] <janice> LinuxJones - should I reboot into a terminal without X running?
[02:11] <LinuxJones> janice, type that in a gnome-terminal
[02:12] <LinuxJones> janice, any terminal will do actually
[02:12] <janice> LinuxJones - is it abnormal to have 334 updates available?
[02:13] <janice> This sure seems like a lot.
[02:13] <LinuxJones> janice, you have warty installed not hoary
[02:13] <LinuxJones> janice, in that case you would want to type apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:14] <janice> I had Warty installed and then upgraded. It seemed to have worked. How do I confirm that I have Hoary installed.
[02:14] <othernoob>  hi, im trying to install ghc and when doing ./configure i get a configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH error, how do i fix that ?
[02:14] <LinuxJones> janice, cat /etc/issue
[02:14] <LinuxJones> janice, you may have a release candidate which is older (while it was still in development )
[02:15] <janice> LinuxJones - Thanks. I executed that command and it returned 'Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l'
[02:15] <janice> LinuxJones - Is this an older release candidate?
[02:15] <LinuxJones> janice, so it would be normal and once you download an install all of those packages you would not see many changes until the next release called Breezy which will be in October :)
[02:16] <LinuxJones> janice, it appears so :)
[02:16] <LinuxJones> janice, no problem tho jsut apt-get upgrade and you should be jsut fine with lots of newer software and you will be at the latest stable release whic is a good thing :D
[02:17] <LinuxJones> arch my typing :(
[02:17] <LinuxJones> argh*
[02:17] <LinuxJones> LOL
[02:17] <janice> LinuxJones - Thanks for the help. Just a few more questions. Okay, I will do 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' Thanks for the help.
[02:17] <LinuxJones> janice, you go it :)
[02:17] <janice> LinuxJones - One last thing. Is it likely that something will break in the process?
[02:18] <janice> hehe
[02:18] <borkdox> can I downgrade from breezy to hoary?
[02:18] <LinuxJones> janice, no Hoary stable is very good
[02:18] <borkdox> breezy just borkd on me
[02:18] <LinuxJones> borkdox, no :(
[02:18] <borkdox> crap
[02:18] <borkdox> :(
[02:18] <borkdox> I cant even compile a custom kernel
[02:18] <LinuxJones> borkdox, type /topic
[02:18] <borkdox> and none of the kernel in apt-get compile
[02:18] <janice> LinuxJones - One last thing. I don't have to do 'apt-get install desktop'?
[02:18] <wdh> borkdox, yes you can..
[02:19] <borkdox> wdh, I cannot make menuconfig
[02:19] <borkdox> wdh, and none of the kernels in apt-get configure
[02:19] <wdh> borkdox, its quite tricky though.. you should use apt-pinning for that.. guess searching for 'downgrade' and 'apt-pinning' on google would help you get started
[02:19] <borkdox> wdh, they give me error with pivot_root
[02:20] <Kartagis> bye
[02:20] <LinuxJones> janice, you should already have the ubuntu-desktop file so no but if your not sure you can do sudo apt get dist-upgrade
[02:20] <borkdox> wdh, ok
[02:20] <tandy> anyone know of a way to keep a list of installedp rograms so when i reinstall i can feed it to apt somehow?
[02:21] <Anubis> does graveman have to be run as su?
[02:21] <shinu> ive got a slight problem with vi. i just closed a terminal without saving a file and now i keep getting this problem: Error detected while processing /usr/share/vim/vimrc: line   58: E483: Can't get temp file name
[02:21] <shinu> then: Hit ENTER or type command to continue
[02:21] <shinu> and also my alt stopped working as ^M
[02:21] <shinu> er... i meant meta
[02:22] <wdh> tandy, dpkg --get-selections > selections.list
[02:23] <wdh> and on your new installation of ubuntu: cat selections.list |
[02:23] <wdh> cat selections.list| dpkg --set-selections
[02:23] <Anubis> graveman?
[02:23] <Anubis> blanking a cdrw?
[02:24] <janice> LinuxJones - Thanks big time. I agree with your assessment. I will do the 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' first and will do apt-get dist-upgrade if there are problems.
[02:24] <tandy> wdh ahh thank u
[02:24] <LinuxJones> janice, perfect :)
[02:24] <[noobuntu] > how can i rewind dvds *lol*
[02:24] <[noobuntu] > ?
[02:25] <Firetech> [noobuntu] : that isn't needed. ;)
[02:25] <wdh> Anubis, normally not.. you should do fine as a regular user
[02:25] <wdh> Firetech, isnt it?? i spent days rewinding my cd's :)
[02:26] <Anubis> well I guess its not a normal xase
[02:26] <Anubis> ran as su
[02:26] <wdh> actually tweaked my cdplayer to run backwards :)
[02:26] <Anubis> and now its blanking
[02:26] <wdh> Anubis, maybe you messed up with the permissions..
[02:26] <wdh> or maybe i did it once and forgot about it :)
[02:26] <Anubis> the package should have been smart enough to add me to the cdrw group or what not
[02:26] <wdh> here it works as a regular user
[02:27] <tga> Anubis: the package doesn't know who you are, you install it as root
[02:27] <LinuxJones> Anubis, what are you trying to do /
[02:27] <wdh> shinu, #vi will be better for you i guess
[02:27] <wdh> shinu, or #vim maybe
[02:28] <shinu> alright
[02:28] <shinu> sorry then
[02:28] <[noobuntu] > actually i thought bout buying a dvd rewinder... maybe i can do that softwaresided...
[02:28] <wdh> shinu, well.. surely there are vim users here.. but you on #vi you are more likely to run into an experienced one :)
[02:28] <shinu> wdh: there is noone on vi... just vim xD
[02:29] <Firetech> [noobuntu] : you can't rewind a dvd, because it has no moving parts.
[02:29] <x_or> How do I set an eth0:0 type IP in /etc/network/interfaces?
[02:29] <x_or> Er, eth0:1
[02:30] <wdh> shinu, ok.. then my second guess was correct :)
[02:30] <shinu> :D
[02:30] <wdh> Firetech, it moves all the time :)
[02:30] <wdh> Firetech, the average dvd _is_ a moving part :D
[02:31] <Firetech> whd: yes, but the reason you have to rewind a VCR is because it has moving parts inside it.
[02:31] <wdh> [noobuntu] , stop bugging Firetech.. he seems to think you are serious ;)
[02:31] <[noobuntu] > but it is in fact a medium that moves on while playing and that would be a mysterious thing not to rewind it back. how shall it came from the end to the beginning? could the world come from here to now in 0,0 seconds from end to beginning?
[02:32] <wdh> Firetech, depends completely on what scale you take a look.. microscopicly, the dvd consists of _many_ moving parts..
[02:32] <[noobuntu] > Firetech, sorry, i'm not serious at the time, this german beer is ending me up
[02:32] <othernoob> noobuntu considering that time is relative, yes ;)
[02:33] <[noobuntu] > normally we schould be able to revind a data disc...
[02:33] <[noobuntu] > sry, should...
[02:34] <Firetech> wdh: you're being TOO technical... not for me to understand, but for your own good ;)
[02:34] <count0nz> [noobuntu] , have you tryed spining the dvd in reverse and reading it backwards ?
[02:34] <wdh> Firetech, cant be too technical for me :)
[02:35] <Firetech> I've heard about someone's mother who wanted to rewindf all rented DVD's...
[02:35] <Firetech> -f
[02:35] <black_Nightmare> any of you know about agp slots?
[02:35] <[noobuntu] > count0nz, is it possible?
[02:35] <Firetech> so she sat and watched the movie backwards :)
[02:35] <wdh> black_Nightmare, yeah, there's one on my mobo
[02:35] <count0nz> eject shuld have a rewind feature :)
[02:36] <black_Nightmare> wdh..its been a long time since I remember reading this maximumpc article but.. is 8x any improvement over 4x or not really in general use?
[02:36] <[noobuntu] > count0nz, what about the sound?
[02:36] <count0nz> have you tryed eject /cdrom -rewind
[02:36] <wdh> black_Nightmare, no idea :) guess you would have to google for that..
[02:36] <wdh> black_Nightmare, or wikipedia might help you
[02:36] <count0nz> [noobuntu] , i belive the rewind mutes sound
[02:37] <difeta> Can i use the hibernate feature on my desktop? I just tried and the screens just went black, nothing else happened.
[02:37] <Firetech> g'nite, I should have gone to bed about 2 hours ago...
[02:37] <count0nz> night Firetech
[02:37] <pablo928> hi, all
[02:37] <Anubis> does graveman even work?
[02:37] <aigarius> how do I get the Debian menu in into the Gnome menu in hoary?
[02:37] <wdh> difeta, was it a clean hoary install? or an upgrade from warty?
[02:37] <wdh> aigarius, sudo apt-get install menu-xdg
[02:37] <count0nz> :( kicks the bittorrent trackers
[02:37] <difeta> wdh, clean.. as of this morning
[02:38] <aigarius> wdh: that should propably be added to the faq, thanks
[02:38] <LinuxJones> aigarius, why would you want that ?
[02:38] <borkdox> I have major breakage in breezy!!!!!!!! I LIKE IT!!!!!
[02:38] <wdh> wdh, ok.. it should work then.. i was just trying it here and couldnt get it to work.. i was told that it can be due to unsupported hardware/bios
[02:38] <aigarius> wdh: allready installed :(
[02:38] <pablo928> borkdox, feeling masochistic today?
[02:39] <count0nz> borkdox, thats the Spirit :)
[02:39] <black_Nightmare> is it difficult to set up a multiboot between ubuntu (which may possible be in hd-sleep oftenly) and windows 2K or xp (conventional shutdowns at the least)?
[02:39] <borkdox> yes!
[02:39] <borkdox> :D
[02:39] <latis> how do I get the C-compiler to work?
[02:39] <aigarius> LinuxJones, because if I install extra packages from universe, they do not show up in the menu and that is kinda bad
[02:39] <LinuxJones> aigarius, ahhh
[02:39] <latis> it says C-Compiler cant create executables
[02:39] <wdh> aigarius, ok.. i thought that was the one..
[02:40] <repete> I keep seeing references to an [ Add ]  button in network-admin, but I have no such button.
[02:40] <gagnon> frubuntu
[02:40] <wdh> black_Nightmare, ignoring anything between brackets: Not at all
[02:40] <repete> I'm having _major_ issues trying to add a wireless nic
[02:41] <neural> latis: install build-essential
[02:41] <repete> I've tried adding it to /etc/network/interfaces
[02:42] <LinuxJones> repete, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards/
[02:42] <aigarius> Acctually it would be wise to start showing the Debian menu as soon as universe or multiverse repo is added to the list and synaptics or update-manager detects that
[02:42] <black_Nightmare> wdh..hm ok ty...I kinda like the hd-sleep feature that ubuntu has and uses (abit not without a bit of manual editting to disable acpi) oftenly :)
[02:42] <black_Nightmare> saves all the startup/shutdown delays that I sometimes start to hate from windows lately
[02:42] <wdh> windows does hibernating nicely, doesnt it?
[02:43] <latis> erm, how do I get bzlib with apt or sudo?
[02:43] <black_Nightmare> wdh..but is that to ram or hd?
[02:43] <[NeuraL] > ok kvirc 3.2 for amd64 is running fine
[02:43] <repete> LinuxJones: I know it is supported (atheros chipset).  I just don't know how to add an interface in a Debian-based distro
[02:43] <wdh> black_Nightmare, to hdd i guess.. otherwise they call it 'standby' i guess
[02:43] <LinuxJones> repete, sudo network-admin
[02:44] <DANL> Kubuntu starts installing, then I get a red screen saying debootstrap fault 1, anyone see this before?
[02:44] <repete> LinuxJones: that doesn't help either.  There is no way to add an interface.  Just change the one that are there.
[02:44] <pablo928> hi, i could use some help with kbear
[02:44] <LinuxJones> repete, what ?
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> wdh...hmm remind me to look up about doing that when I figure about my custom pc [and if I even decide to build it too heh] 
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> long time 98se and my short try with xp .. I never could see any other options at ALL other than shutdown/reboot
[02:44] <repete> LinuxJones: That is what I thought.  It doesn't sound right.
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> must be missing something :p
[02:44] <repete> but afaict I am up to date
[02:45] <wdh> black_Nightmare, i think you must enable it first before it shows
[02:45] <wdh> in control panel -> system iirc, could be mistaken though.. it's been quite a while :)
[02:45] <black_Nightmare> hm go figure...likewise..I'll have to try read up on that when I decide on my custom pc
[02:45] <LinuxJones> repete, there used to be on there wtf ?
[02:46] <LinuxJones> repete, that's useless :D
[02:46] <Jeezis> is there any way to force a wireless device to enable
[02:46] <wdh> it's much too late
[02:46] <latis> erm, how do I get bzlib with apt or sudo?
[02:46] <repete> LinuxJones: Tell me about it :-/
[02:46] <Jeezis> i try doing it with the control panel, but it automatically disables it after a second or so
[02:46] <wdh> latis, bzlib?
[02:47] <sgtkernel> has anybody here installed wine and configured it with winetools?
[02:47] <repete> LinuxJones: Is there instructions on adding an interface manually?
[02:47] <sgtkernel> this is ridiculous...
[02:47] <wdh> sgtkernel, yep
[02:47] <wdh> but as i said.. i am going to bed :)
[02:47] <sgtkernel> the arial font installer tries to download arial.exe from umn.dl.sourceforge.net
[02:47] <sgtkernel> which doesn't appear to exist
[02:48] <sgtkernel> i can download it just fine from dl.sourceforge.net, but the installer doesn't tell me where to put it
[02:48] <LinuxJones> repete, well if you know the module name just modprobe the network card driver and hope it shows up in network-admin I guess at this point :(
[02:49] <Jeezis> how about a way to manually enter a routers mac address, any way to do that?
[02:49] <elcu> sgtkernel: if you're looking to install ms fonts, you can use:
[02:49] <elcu> sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[02:49] <elcu> sudo fc-cache -f -v
[02:49] <repete> LinuxJones: Nope. :-/  I already did that, and it still doesn't show up...
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[02:50] <repete> LinuxJones: thx for the help though
[02:50] <pjssilva> How can I change the fonts evolution use to print? They are too big here.
[02:51] <EricNeon> good morning!
[02:52] <sgtkernel> elcu, that will work for installing fonts into wine?
[02:53] <sgtkernel> elcu, I thought that was for getting ms's fonts for X...not so?
[02:53] <elcu> sgtkernel: yes i think they're installed for X apps.  not sure about the wine part, sorry.
[02:53] <sgtkernel> gee....winetools really seems like a piece of crap
[02:54] <LaCamiseta> pjssilva: it depends. If you've customized the fonts in Evolution, then it's under edit->preferences->mail preferences. Otherwise, it'll be in the main menus on the top, System->Preferences->Font
[02:54] <sgtkernel> i gave up on that font install, and went to the next thing (DCOM98) and that pushed me through a bunch of clickthroughs and said "it seems the installation has failed"
[02:55] <sgtkernel> yep this sucks....everything else depends on DCOM98
[02:55] <hallaanloske> Bonsoir
[02:55] <LinuxJones> repete, well gl dude I am haveing a few beer atm adn not that much help :)
[02:55] <hallaanloske> des francophones dans la salle ?
[02:55] <pjssilva> LaCamiseta: Both ways only seem to change the "on screen" fonts for evolution. Not the printing fonts it use. Actually, I have the feeling it uses 12pt fonts to print and I use 10pt fonts on screen.
[02:56] <repete> LinuxJones: np, dude.  I have a few beers to console me while I figure this out. ;-)
[02:56] <LinuxJones> repete, :D
[02:57] <aigarius> ok, I reported that as bug #11019
[02:57] <sobersabre> i got a good advice about audio setup to alsa. something in ubuntu guide
[02:57] <sobersabre> yesterday
[02:57] <elcu> pjssilva: yes, that's likely.  i guess it's the same as mozilla using different stylesheets for printing and onscreen display.
[02:59] <pjssilva> elcu: And that makes me mad! All my e-mail is printed in big fonts and the lines are splitted in odd ways.
[02:59] <elcu> pjssilva: if you're hooked on evolution, don't bother reading this, but: thunderbird seems to match the print font with the onscreen.
[03:00] <Funraiser> what to say to firestarter to let azureus in peace?
[03:00] <pjssilva> elcu: Interesting. But I like evolution's palm pilot integration.
[03:00] <pjssilva> elcu: and I use its calendar too.
[03:01] <elcu> sobersabre: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly perhaps?
[03:01] <james_> is a quality 350 watt power supply enough to run an athlon san diego 3700+ and pcie geforce 6600 gt?
[03:02] <LinuxJones> james_, 350 should be lots
[03:02] <Anubis> graveman is broken but nautilus burns fine?
[03:02] <Anubis> Wow
[03:02] <Anubis> I'm surprised
[03:02] <elcu> pjssilva: googled yet?
[03:02] <rickard> if I have two audio cards istalled, how do I tell ubuntu which one to choose as default?
[03:02] <Anubis> nautilus has a hard time just staying running for more than a month
[03:02] <Funraiser> does someone know how to set firestarter to let azureus doing its job?
[03:03] <pjssilva> elcu: Yes... I am trying it again now. Maybe its better just to post a question in ubuntuforum and see if someone with enough time knoes a solution.
[03:03] <pjssilva> elcu: knoes == knows
[03:03] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, search the website for firestarter there are a few threads on it
[03:04] <Funraiser> LinuxJones, k thanks
[03:04] <sobersabre> elcu, thanks
[03:04] <elcu> np
[03:05] <nekohayo> hi, I noticed I have multiple resolutions available in the gnome resolutions preferences, however my xorg.conf contains only one (1024), how come?
[03:06] <nekohayo> it seems independent
[03:07] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, have a peek here for more info >> http://www.fs-security.com/docs/interface.php
[03:07] <nickrud> nekohayo, i'm curious, do the gnome resolutions work?
[03:07] <nekohayo> I'll give it a try, but I'm pretty sure they work
[03:07] <Mosi> I'm having trouble with trying to reinstall Yaboot after it got wiped from a Mac OS X install, i'm running on Live CD right now. Anyone want to take a shot at this?
[03:08] <nekohayo> nickrud, they work
[03:08] <nekohayo> the reason I noticed this is because I wanted to add higher resolutions to the xorg.conf, but they don't change anything...
[03:08] <nickrud> nekohayo, interesting :) I'm no X guru, but I find it interesting. You only have one res available in xorg.conf?
[03:09] <nekohayo> 1024x768 everywhere, except one place (depth 1) where I left the 1280x960 (I was too lazy to remove it and add it again for 45890 tries :))
[03:10] <nekohayo> default depth = 24, and at depth 24 there is only the 1024x768 mode
[03:10] <nickrud> huh, maybe gnome is doing some ddc or whatever itself. Nice.
[03:10] <nekohayo> weird huh? :)
[03:11] <sgtkernel> anybody in here have dvdshrink installed in wine?
[03:11] <nekohayo> noticed the contrary with XFCE once
[03:11] <sgtkernel> i'm having an impossible time of it
[03:11] <nickrud> nekohayo, no, a lot more nice than weird. I've struggled with configs too much.
[03:11] <nekohayo> you need to lower xorg to have a lower resolution in XFCE
[03:11] <nekohayo> well I find it fun, because I remember windows' resolutions
[03:11] <nekohayo> messing up between users XD
[03:12] <nickrud> nekohayo, so make a new user, log in and change the res, and let me know what happens :)
[03:13] <nekohayo> why?
[03:13] <Mosi> I'm running on Live, trying to reinstall Yaboot, anyone care to help me out? i mounted my harddrive and chrooted to my un-bootable root filesystem, but when i try to run ybin it says my kernal is too old for proper support... but i'm running on a 1 day old Live CD download, and my unbootable system is on hoary!
[03:13] <nickrud> nekohayo, to be honest, so I can learn :)
[03:13] <nekohayo> you never tried?
[03:14] <nickrud> nekohayo, I've got a lot of screens defined, so I'm not a good control
[03:15] <nickrud> nekohayo, no, I never realized that gnome could have different res's available, so i've never looked at ti
[03:16] <nekohayo> well, when I was a windowser, I used to have a "video" user for video output, with lower resolutions, so the image would lose less quality
[03:16] <nekohayo> if you happened to go back to the previous user
[03:16] <nekohayo> your icons were messed :)
[03:17] <nickrud> nekohayo, I've only seen that happen when I had to boot in Safe Mode (every 2 or three times at the end) :)
[03:20] <nekohayo> nickrud, multiple users with different resolutions work fine.
[03:20] <nekohayo> but the "choice list" is not according to xorg. I don't get it.
[03:22] <nickrud> nekohayo, this was very timely, cuz I just helped a guy in our shelter get his own domain name. I'm delegating this machine for their use, and that's one less thing I need to worry about.
[03:23] <nekohayo> ...uh... so I'm helping just by sitting here and asking strange questions?
[03:23] <nickrud> nekohayo, I lurk here for strange questions, I've been doing that for years here and there
[03:23] <nekohayo> glad I gave you one tonight :)
[03:24] <nickrud> ;0
[03:24] <dioxcorp> buenas
[03:24] <dioxcorp> algun espaol
[03:24] <elcu> dioxcorp: #ubuntu-es
[03:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone here use minisip?
[03:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just want to say that i just got an sipphone and used it through sipphone.com to talk to a "real" phone, and it is awesome.
[03:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> itworks great.
[03:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> and is uber chaep.
[03:29] <hypa7ia> anyone know where in a dd command i put "noerror"?
[03:29] <Mosi> Does anyone know if i'm liable to damage my system if i run "ybin -b" on a currently mounted partition? I need that partition mounted to be able to run byin, could i use --force?
[03:30] <elcu> hypa7ia: AFAIK, it's an option.  i.e. something like 'dd noerror'
[03:31] <hypa7ia> yes, seems to be dd conv=noerror etc
[03:32] <elcu> yeah, that would be it. :-)
[03:32] <hypa7ia> i hope this works :-(
[03:33] <hypa7ia> it's going over the bad blocks now...
[03:33] <Maidenb> what is the root passwd after install???
[03:33] <humbraro> anybody here know how to create a *local* shared directory
[03:33] <hypa7ia> Maidenb: there isn't one
[03:33] <[NeuraL] > Maidenb: sudo -s
[03:33] <humbraro> something along the lines of /home/shared
[03:34] <hypa7ia> Maidenb: use sudo, or if you must use root there are ways to do it
[03:34] <elcu> humbraro: never tried this, but create the folder as normal then right-click on it in nautilus and select 'share folder'
[03:35] <humbraro> elcu, my understanding is that will set up a samba share...i might be wrong
[03:35] <nickrud> Maidenb, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo explains ubuntu's security thinking
[03:35] <humbraro> elcu, i'll have to check the docs
[03:36] <othernoob> what's wrong with this sources.list http://pastebin.com/287246 ?
[03:36] <othernoob> why do i always get a "cant open list..." when using apt-get ?
[03:36] <Maidenb> sudo -s passws root????
[03:36] <pikaaa> hi
[03:36] <elcu> humbraro: i'm not an expert i'm afraid.  it was just a suggestion.
[03:36] <hypa7ia> Maidenb: sudo -s then enter your password
[03:36] <lfs> Hi there, i would like to know if  there is any info on installing mplayer 32bits on a amd64 ubuntu instalation, so that it will be able to use the win32codecs
[03:36] <othernoob> http://pastebin.com/287256 the output of apt-get update
[03:36] <pikaaa> hi, is Ubuntu installed as a server by default ?
[03:36] <hypa7ia> Maidenb:  that gives you persistent sudo... there is no root acct in ubu
[03:37] <hypa7ia> pikaaa: no, as a desktio
[03:37] <hypa7ia> err desktop
[03:37] <pikaaa> okie
[03:37] <pikaaa> anyone here have heard of Beatrix Linux
[03:37] <^thehatsrule^> ...
[03:37] <hypa7ia> yuppers
[03:38] <pikaaa> i was thinking of getting beatrix as it seems simpler for a home user like me, but the downside is that they dont have an spanish version of it.. I was wondering if there are other Unbutu-based alternatives like that
[03:39] <lampshade> So, what's the deal with mixing non official and regular official packages
[03:39] <Maquiavelo> Hello guys
[03:39] <Maquiavelo> Just wanted to say
[03:39] <hypa7ia> pikaaa: ubu itself is pretty simple :-)
[03:39] <Maquiavelo> I received today in the mail several ubuntu cd's
[03:39] <nickrud> lampshade, you break it, bob2 says you get the pieces
[03:39] <Maquiavelo> 10 to be exact
[03:39] <Maquiavelo> I took them to my college's Computer labs
[03:40] <Maquiavelo> ran out of them in 5 seconds
[03:40] <Maquiavelo> lol
[03:40] <hypa7ia> i hope i get mine soon :-)
[03:40] <Maquiavelo> there is now an ubuntu fever =p
[03:40] <pikaaa> will Ubuntu installation screw up my windows setup
[03:40] <othernoob> pikaaa no
[03:41] <pikaaa> i have created unallocated space for ubuntu, but im still scared
[03:41] <lampshade> nickrud:  The reason I ask is because well, everything good is non official.  Everything needed.  Everything... I swear
[03:41] <hypa7ia> pikaaa: should be fine
[03:41] <pikaaa> okies
[03:41] <hypa7ia> just partition it manually
[03:41] <hypa7ia> don't write over the whole disk :-)
[03:41] <nickrud> lampshade, what exactly? That said, hoary is a stable release, with all that entails.
[03:42] <pikaaa> one last question, does Ubuntu have like an "add remove programs thing like windows does, and also, does it have a window to list active processes like windows
[03:42] <pikaaa> i want to remove stuff that i dont need, the easy way
[03:42] <lampshade> nickrud:  Things like the w32codecs, since there is so much done in things like wmv, I need those
[03:42] <elcu> pikaaa: yes and yes.
[03:42] <hypa7ia> pikaaa: yes, synaptic to add/remove, system-monitor for the latter
[03:42] <elcu> pikaaa: FYI, ubuntu is quite compact.
[03:42] <lampshade> nickrud:  Is mplayer in the official repos?
[03:43] <elcu> compared to other distros
[03:43] <nickrud> lampshade, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats, it will serve you well
[03:43] <pikaaa> im just seriously concerned about ubuntu installiong stuff i dont need and that will take up resources, would like to read on stuff that is installed so t hat i can get rid of what i dont need
[03:43] <elcu> pikaaa: what are your system specs?
[03:44] <pikaaa> 800 Mhz, 128 ram
[03:44] <lampshade> nickrud:  Yeah, that's the problem though, you know?  Like I get it there are license issues, etc, but that doesn't make the situation better--that's what frustrates me.  Because it is either go non official or go windows
[03:45] <nickrud> lampshade, the devels agree, and have set up the best they have to offer, while still sticking to the letter. Your choice.
[03:45] <hypa7ia> pikaaa: that'll run the base install just fine
[03:45] <pikaaa> okies
[03:46] <pikaaa> i have another question
[03:46] <pikaaa> is there a way to create a custom install, maybe have an option on wherther to install some applications or not
[03:46] <hypa7ia> pikaaa: yes, do the server install and then just add the things you want... you'll need to be a little comfy with the commandline though
[03:47] <hypa7ia> a hdd install of beatrix might be a good option for you
[03:47] <mirak> I want to install xdtv but I got a dependcy problem
[03:47] <mirak> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:47] <mirak>   libavcodec2: Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[03:47] <mirak>                Depends: libvorbisenc2 (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[03:48] <pikaaa> hypa7ia i was thinking of beatrix and seemed like a great alternative but they lack a spanish version
[03:49] <darkaudit> Razor-X: so did you watch... it... yet?
[03:49] <hypa7ia> ahh, crap, in that case pikaaa i'd do a server install of ubu
[03:50] <humbraro> does anybody here know if you can set a directory to be shared locally, with unix permissions?
[03:51] <pikaaa> hypa7ia what kind of commands would i need after the server install and is the process self-done or do i have to go into tech stuff for configuration
[03:51] <lfs> shared ?
[03:51] <lfs> like /tmp ?
[03:51] <lfs> where everyone can write and read ?
[03:52] <humbraro> lfs shared, as in, any user on the system can read/write, and anything they drop in there gets treated the same way
[03:52] <hypa7ia> pikaaa: do you know how to use apt?
[03:52] <humbraro> i tried chmod +g, but that doesn't seem to cut it
[03:52] <Maidenb> cant
[03:52] <Maidenb> use de pass of root
[03:53] <TheDeathArt> hi, is it possible to make the desktop icons smaller, on ubuntu with gnome ?
[03:53] <pepsi> Maidenb, use your password
[03:53] <Maidenb> yes
[03:53] <Maidenb> but
[03:53] <Maidenb> y need the pass of root
[03:54] <pikaaa> hypa7ia i have some ideas...
[03:54] <pepsi> why? cause whatever you are doing needs root permission
[03:54] <humbraro> lfs, i could do it easily through samba, however i'm not interested in sharing anything over thenetwork
[03:54] <lfs> hmm just copy your local /tmp to the dir
[03:54] <lfs> like
[03:54] <pikaaa> i can read
[03:54] <pepsi> but you use your password
[03:54] <bigfoot> Hi all. I mistyped a website address in firefox, and got an error window titled "alert" with a message saying www.websitec.om could not be found. Please check the name and try again." I hit the "ok" button, but it won't close. What's wrong?
[03:54] <lfs> sudo cp /tmp /shared -pr
[03:54] <Mosi> How can you find out what's currently using a device, and preventing it from being umounted?
[03:54] <lfs> the p is to preserve permitions
[03:54] <lfs> and delete the contents after
[03:55] <humbraro> that would work, but it doesn't override individual users' umask permissions
[03:55] <humbraro> ie, if my gf puts something in /tmp, i cant go and delete it
[03:55] <lfs> of course not
[03:55] <pikaaa> i have to go. thank you all for your great help, bye hypa7ia will be back soon
[03:55] <hypa7ia> laters!
[03:56] <humbraro> i want everything in the dir to be 666 *as soon as it gets put there*
[03:56] <lfs> no clue , make a deamon , or a cron job to watch over the dir
[03:56] <humbraro> its totally insecure, but thats kind of the idea - a place to put pictures, video, etc
[03:56] <humbraro> hmm, cron could do it
[03:57] <humbraro> that seems like a bit of a hack though
[03:57] <humbraro> i guess thats what ACLs are for
[03:57] <Mosi> Humbraro: ACLs? that doesn't amke any sense to me. You mean like cisco ACLs?
[03:58] <lfs> more or less
[03:58] <humbraro> Mosi, access control lists
[03:58] <humbraro> not familiar with the cisco acl
[03:58] <Mosi> Humbraro: I must be thinking of different access control lists than you. It's been less time since i took a cisco class than it has since i took my linux admin classes :P
[03:59] <Mosi> cisco ACLs are firewall rules basically
[03:59] <Mosi> so you see my confusion
[03:59] <humbraro> afaik you can use them to create fine-grained permissions on network shares, ala windoze
[03:59] <Mosi> cool
[04:01] <humbraro> on a win2k server, you can set permissions like "everybody can read, these groups can delete, this group can execute, etc
[04:01] <Mosi> Humbraro: Dunno if you'll know this, but i'm having trouble unmounting my harddrive. i'm running on Live CD right now. If i copy something off my drive into the Live CD filesystem in RAM, is that drive considered in use because of that?
[04:01] <humbraro> Mosi, possibly
[04:01] <Mosi> ugh, what a headache
[04:01] <humbraro> close any windows you got open showing the drive's contents
[04:02] <humbraro>  it might be locking it
[04:02] <humbraro> Mosi, you using nautilus, or shell?
[04:02] <humbraro> or both?
[04:02] <Mosi> i have none, all the user processes i have running are IRC, GAIM, and a terminal (no, my terminal isn't CWD'd on the drive, it's sitting in / right now)
[04:03] <Mosi> Shell
[04:03] <bertrand__> hello
[04:03] <lfs> gnome or kde ?
[04:03] <resiak> Mosi: lsof | grep hda ?
[04:03] <bertrand__> gnome
[04:03] <nickrud> humbraro, I used http://www.library.yale.edu/~lso/workstation/docs/permissions/sgid.htm or something very similar a while ago, maybe it can help
[04:03] <humbraro> and "umount /path/to/drive" doesn't work?
[04:03] <resiak> Let me guess -- famd?
[04:03] <bertrand__> about wine ?
[04:03] <bertrand__> anyu help
[04:03] <humbraro> nickrud, ty for the link :)
[04:03] <resiak> bertrand__: If you ask a question, maybe.
[04:04] <Mosi> Humbraro: command returned no results, and no umount doesn't work, it gives me a pair of "device is busy" errors
[04:04] <bertrand__> for windows emulation
[04:04] <nickrud> humbraro, np, you scratched an itch :)
[04:04] <bertrand__> what is the best
[04:05] <resiak> Mosi: lsof | grep your-hdds-device, that is.
[04:05] <resiak> Mosi: or lsof | grep mountpoint, more to the point.
[04:05] <resiak> Mosi: And no, not literally "mountpoint". :-)
[04:06] <Mosi> resiak: lol. "lsof | grep /mnt" again returned no results. the drive is mounted right on /mnt before you ask
[04:06] <resiak> Mosi: Sure, oh well. It was worth a shot :)
[04:06] <Mosi> ^_^
[04:07] <hyapadi> I want to wipe out all the data in the hardisk. What program should I use so that it can't be recovered again using recovery software? Thx
[04:07] <othernoob> hyapadi use dban
[04:08] <othernoob> dban.sourceforge.net i think
[04:09] <Mosi> Hyapadi: Assuming you can do this from another drive, "dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/targetdrive" should work fine, do it several times if you're especially concerned about forensics
[04:09] <mirak> what is the commannd so that it get the packages with the missing file during the configure ?
[04:09] <hyapadi> mosi thx
[04:09] <Jet2k5> guys in k3b broken for anyone else?
[04:09] <hyapadi> othernoob, dban? ok i will look for it
[04:09] <Jet2k5> I keep on getting missing libraries
[04:09] <bertrand__> why no sound in flash (swf) files
[04:10] <nickrud> Mosi, 7 times, right :)
[04:10] <Mosi> hyapadi: no problem
[04:10] <bertrand__> links to repare that
[04:10] <Mosi> nickrud: Isn't there some proprietary software that does it like 16? heh
[04:11] <othernoob> Mosi: dban does it as often as you want and any way you want ;)
[04:12] <misfit_toy> zzz
[04:12] <misfit_toy> gnite
[04:12] <hyapadi> othernoob, seems dban is the solution that i'm looking for
[04:12] <Mosi> othernoob: nice :) but you don't have to download dd most of the time, and it's 20 second's work to write a shell script that will do it as many times as you want
[04:12] <hyapadi> thx
[04:12] <nickrud> bertrand__, apt-get install flashplayer-none free from multiverse
[04:12] <resiak> $ dd if=./elcu if=/dev/hda5 bs=1024; rm ./elcu
[04:12] <resiak> elcu: I hid you!
[04:12] <hyapadi> because actually I want to wipe out an hardisk without any os
[04:12] <hyapadi> i already format it
[04:13] <elcu> resiak: good stuff then?
[04:13] <hyapadi> thx everyone. See yaaa
[04:13] <resiak> elcu: Oh yes. You're goooood sheeeet.
[04:13] <othernoob> Mosi true:)
[04:14] <Mosi> othernoob: I'm just doing it the lazy, not particularly concerned about confidential medical records way.
[04:14] <othernoob> Mosi lol, well downloading the floppy version and putting it in and boot seems pretty lazy to me too ;)
[04:15] <Mosi> othernoob: lol :P there's a complicated reason for that that turned out to not work anyways, so it was more an exercise in futility
[04:16] <misfit_toy> ok somebody tell me why I should switch to ubuntu from FC?
[04:16] <othernoob> Mosi: think we should have told him the different efficiency of the diff. delete-algorithms on the diff. harddrives?
[04:16] <othernoob> misfit_toy: because ubuntu is user-friendlier
[04:17] <othernoob> imho
[04:17] <geneo93> misfit_toy:  because its much better
[04:17] <misfit_toy> othernoob, be more specific
[04:17] <Mosi> othernoob: You should tell me about that first if you want me to help you educate him :) I'm not a guru, that was jsut soemthing i happened to know
[04:17] <doctorPepper> hey
[04:18] <nickrud> misfit_toy, one phrase 'debian developers'
[04:18] <doctorPepper> i'm having a problem with my soundcard. i can't hear anything out my headphones even though headphones volume is unmuted and all the way up
[04:18] <Mosi> misfit_toy: Because Ubuntu has a name windozers don't know how to pronounce
[04:18] <othernoob> Mosi: well you know the Gutmann Method, right? 35 parses, great algo. but not so useful on harddisks manufactured after 2000 (i think that was the year)
[04:18] <bassinboy> does anyone use nvidia-glx on teh AMD-64?
[04:19] <Mosi> othernoob: I'm really not a hardware guy. Lots of gigs is good, that's about how much i know about hard drive mechanics.
[04:19] <othernoob> Mosi: on hdds after 2000 random patterns are more efficient ..for example mersenne prng
[04:19] <humbraro> nickrud, ty again for the link - looks like i'll have to change umask on users to be g+w for the permissions i want
[04:19] <Mosi> othernoob: Didn't know that, that's cool
[04:20] <othernoob> misfit_toy: i had fc3 for 6 weeks and wasn't very impressed with it, how you had to configure pretty much everything,even the cdrom devices..
[04:20] <doctorPepper> does anyone know what the problem might be, or how i can fix it?
[04:20] <nickrud> humbraro, yeah, or just make sure they belong to the correct gourp
[04:20] <nickrud> *group
[04:21] <othernoob> misfit_toy: with ubuntu, things work, look organized. only prob i have is the 686 kernels are very unstable on my machine, which they werent on fc3
[04:21] <nickrud> othernoob, he left us ;(
[04:21] <othernoob> :O like..really left us :O
[04:22] <humbraro> ya, i don't mind doing a 'sudo chmod 666 *' every once in a while, i just need a spot for ppl to share stuff locally without the overhead of samba
[04:22] <othernoob> meh!!
[04:22] <bassinboy> does anyone use nvidia-glx on teh AMD-64?
[04:22] <othernoob> nickrud: i find people who leave when i finally know something very impolite :/
[04:23] <nickrud> frlol
[04:23] <othernoob> i'll never get some self-esteem :/
[04:23] <nickrud> othernoob, save it, you'll get another chance ;)
[04:23] <geneo93> bassinboy:  all you need do is apt-get nvidia-glx then enable it
[04:23] <othernoob> lol :)
[04:24] <bassinboy> geneo93: did, it didn't work
[04:24] <geneo93> bassinboy:  did you enable it
[04:25] <bassinboy> geneo93: Yes
[04:25] <DonL> I have a game related question if anyone is into them
[04:25] <bassinboy> DonL: i game, but only on my other OS
[04:25] <DonL> ok
[04:25] <geneo93> reboot also
[04:25] <humbraro> DonL, up-up-down-down-left-right-left-right-b-a-start
[04:25] <DonL> hah
[04:25] <DonL> haha
[04:25] <bassinboy> lol
[04:26] <othernoob> Mosi: here's a link that might interest you regarding lots of gigs :) http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html
[04:26] <DonL> I have an old linux version of Q3 but i cant get it to work in hoary
[04:26] <humbraro> nice to see some ppl still remember contra
[04:26] <Mosi> humbraro: what code is that? it's nagging me
[04:27] <Mosi> othernoob; thanks
[04:27] <sproingie> Mosi: it's like the universal konami cheat code
[04:27] <Mosi> sproingie: hehe, that explains it
[04:27] <geneo93> bassinboy:  atleast restart xserver ctrl alt backspace
[04:27] <kestas> hey does anyone know how to stop stuff you mount from getting a desktop icon?
[04:27] <kestas> I couldnt find it in gconf
[04:27] <sproingie> Mosi: there's a game or two where using that code will give you some smartass response
[04:27] <lfs> it is on gconf i think
[04:28] <lfs> like apps->nautilus->desktop
[04:28] <Mosi> sproingie: cute, i'll have to try it
[04:28] <lfs> volumes_visible
[04:28] <humbraro> i wish i still had a nintendo
[04:28] <kestas> lfs: cheers
[04:28] <sproingie> i'm gettin a PS3 when it comes out.  mmm 1080p
[04:28] <nickrud> kestas, If I understand correctly, anything that isn't identified as user in fstab won't show up on the desktop
[04:28] <DonL> humbraro, Nintendo still rocks
[04:29] <bassinboy> geneo93: it's suppose to change my XF86Config automaticly, right?
[04:29] <kestas> nickrud: nope even non-user stuff like smbfs shares show up
[04:29] <sproingie> the controller still looks like the bat-a-rang tho
[04:29] <kestas> nickrud: but dw lfs got it
[04:29] <humbraro> yep, i miss bionic commando, super mario 3, some others
[04:29] <sproingie> holy elongated vibrating controller batgirl
[04:29] <nickrud> kestas, I have no smbfs shares, so I must stop here
[04:29] <DonL> Some of the old stuff was the best
[04:29] <humbraro> sproingie, lmao
[04:29] <geneo93> bassinboy:  should have xorg
[04:30] <bassinboy> geneo93: neg, warty
[04:30] <othernoob> Mosi: did you check out that link ?
[04:31] <Maidenb> \join #ubunto-es
[04:31] <geneo93> bassinboy:  never had glx in warty so i couldn't tell you
[04:31] <Mosi> othernoob: i will do so now, i was distracted by something
[04:31] <humbraro> DonL, back on topic, is it a cd version, or downloaded?
[04:31] <bassinboy> geneo93: alrighty
[04:31] <nickrud> Maidenb, /join, this isn't windows ;P
[04:32] <bassinboy> haha
[04:32] <lampshade> HOw do you make a change in refresh rate stick in ubuntu?  If I change it, the change is lost when I log out?  What gives?  Why is there  a tool do this if the tool doesn't work?
[04:32] <humbraro> iirc, you need to get the maps separately for the download version
[04:32] <geneo93> bassinboy:  i'd do a dist-upgrade if i were you
[04:32] <humbraro> i could be totally wrong though - been awhile since i played quake
[04:32] <bassinboy> geneo93: out of blank CDs
[04:32] <othernoob> nickrud: isnt it /join, in windows too ?
[04:33] <othernoob> nickrud last time i used mirc it was
[04:33] <lampshade> it is
[04:33] <nickrud> othernoob, if you knew how long it took me to break the \ habit
[04:33] <slashdot89> hello
[04:33] <slashdot89> I need some help with ubuntu hoary
[04:33] <bassinboy> othernoob: yes :P, but in general, windows uses \ and not / ...... like C:\thisfolder\sucks\
[04:33] <othernoob> lol
[04:33] <slashdot89> It never asked me for the root password
[04:33] <slashdot89> what is the root password?
[04:33] <othernoob> slashdot thats normal
[04:34] <slashdot89> how do I give it one?
[04:34] <slashdot89> o
[04:34] <humbraro> slashdot89, its normal, use sudo
[04:34] <bassinboy> your user password
[04:34] <slashdot89> o ok
[04:34] <slashdot89> so I just do a sudo su, then what do I do to change it?
[04:34] <Mosi> othernoob: no flash plugin, i'm running on Live CD
[04:34] <geneo93> bassinboy:  just add the universe and mutiuniverse repositories to synaptic change them to hoary and update then dist-upgrade
[04:34] <humbraro> slashdot89, 'sudo command', then enter your user passwd
[04:34] <othernoob> slashdot89 you can enable the root account though, not sure how though
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo su root
[04:34] <sproingie> bassinboy: actually windows uses / internally.  the shell and explorer actually go out of their way to make sure only \ work
[04:34] <bassinboy> geneo93: there is no way to upgrade to warty without installing it to a CD righT?
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sudo passwd root
[04:34] <bassinboy> geneo93: sorry :P
[04:35] <sproingie> bassinboy: blame CP/M.  or as i like to call it, CP\M
[04:35] <slashdot89> alright thanx
[04:35] <slashdot89> I
[04:35] <slashdot89> I'll try that
[04:35] <slashdot89> later
[04:35] <nickrud> slash_, read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:35] <othernoob> Mosi: :/ that sucks, save the link, you'll like it, i'm sure :)
[04:35] <lampshade> Anyone use the built in tool to change refresh rate?  How do yo make it stick?  My changes are lost whenever I logout?
[04:35] <othernoob> nickrud: what is it with these people nowadays ?
[04:35] <geneo93> yes i just told you how
[04:35] <humbraro> dang, ask a question, then just take off
[04:35] <bassinboy> sproingie: sorry, i knew it was kinky, been a while since i have looked at a windows machine
[04:36] <nickrud> othernoob, nothing, they're just people :)
[04:36] <sproingie> bassinboy: windows (since NT) is kind of tragic.  there's actually a good OS screaming to get out
[04:36] <sproingie> bassinboy: not to be confused with the win9x line, which had the misshapen spawn of cthulu screaming in hoary tongues to get out
[04:37] <humbraro> hehe
[04:37] <sproingie> . o O ( hey i used hoary in the lovecraft sense )
[04:37] <bassinboy> geneo93: mutiuniverse? never seen that one
[04:37] <nickrud> sproingie, a well crafted sentence :)
[04:37] <geneo93> hell i've converted 3 ppl this week from xp to ubuntu
[04:37] <sproingie> xp to linux anyway
[04:38] <geneo93> ok restricted then bassinboy
[04:38] <sproingie> need to learn it for work
[04:38] <humbraro> i've converted tons of people from nt/2k server to linux - no desktops though
[04:38] <bassinboy> geneo93: can i have your sources? heh
[04:38] <nickrud> sproingie, supposedly selinux is a baseline goal for breezy, we can hope
[04:38] <sproingie> too bad because "ubuntu" is really fun to say
[04:38] <bassinboy> geneo93: main restricted and universe? i update and then run what?
[04:39] <geneo93> bassinboy:  boy there is a wiki that tells how
[04:39] <sproingie> nickrud: that would be a big jump from debian, which seems unlikely to ever make it standard
[04:39] <bassinboy> *shrugs*
[04:40] <sproingie> i made the mistake of going straight to breezy.
[04:40] <geneo93> oh in synaptic settings repositories change them from warty to hoary
[04:40] <nickrud> sproingie, yeah, and I bit my tongue after saying that, I can be a parrot
[04:40] <nickrud> sproingie, selinux is more than I need right now
[04:40] <geneo93> in the dist box
[04:40] <sproingie> my system is basically stuck and not upgradeable now because of cross-package dependency breakage
[04:40] <bassinboy> geneo93: did that
[04:40] <sproingie> but at least it wor-
[04:40] <DonL> humbraro, sorry, had to go deal with something. The copy I have is a bought version
[04:40] <bassinboy> geneo93: can i click "mark all upgrades" ?
[04:40] <nickrud> sproingie, play with aptitude, I had fun during the c102 transition
[04:41] <humbraro> DonL, cool - i cant help with the store version as i've never used it
[04:41] <othernoob> anyway, night :)
[04:41] <geneo93> ok do an sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in terminal
[04:41] <sproingie> nickrud: believe me, i've played with aptitude.  it won't play nice
[04:41] <DonL> Thanks anyway. It worked up until this new version of Ubuntu. I suspect Xorg
[04:42] <nickrud> sproingie, I am in love with aptitude, I kept the same machine working under unstable for years with it.
[04:42] <bassinboy> geneo93: so warty to hoary actually works?
[04:42] <nickrud> sproingie, but, it you
[04:42] <sproingie> nickrud: glad to see another fan.  synaptic is overrated, aptitude is what dselect should have been
[04:43] <humbraro> bassinboy, warty-->hoary worked here no problem
[04:43] <DonL> bassinboy,  get on the wikis and do what they say. I had no problem
[04:43] <bassinboy> Col
[04:43] <geneo93> yes bassinboy
[04:43] <humbraro> actually fixed an issue or 2
[04:43] <bassinboy> cool rather
[04:43] <sproingie> nickrud: i use aptitude quite happily under sid.  i just misunderstood ubuntu's development model and assumed breezy was just like sid
[04:43] <nickrud> synaptic is so much better than it was, but being able to do, for exampel l~c is empowering
[04:43] <sproingie> turns out it's more like experimental and then becomes more like sid eventually
[04:44] <eater773> anybody.... why remount command not found... coz' i want to read write on floppy...
[04:44] <nickrud> sproingie, lol, you were had :)
[04:44] <geneo93> bassinboy:  i've seen ppl upgrade fron sarge
[04:44] <bassinboy> wow
[04:44] <sproingie> nickrud: i think i'll stick to hoary and use backports
[04:44] <Amaranth> backports are evil
[04:44] <eater773> command is : mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/fd0
[04:44] <geneo93> s/fron/from
[04:44] <sproingie> Amaranth: you forgot the prefix "necessary"
[04:45] <nickrud> sproingie, i'm content with hoary right now, and, since I've never had a 'stable' debian system, I'm kinda luxuriating
[04:45] <Amaranth> sproingie: Get your new app fix but not be able to upgrade to breezy. Good choice.
[04:45] <sproingie> Amaranth: i don't need a "new app fix", i need an app that neither hoary nor breezy provide
[04:45] <sproingie> Amaranth: i fail to see how THAT would block anything
[04:45] <Amaranth> that won't
[04:46] <DonL> I need some stability, and I've got Hoary working fairly well now, so I'll stay with it
[04:46] <geneo93> nickrud:  you too
[04:46] <sproingie> it's not like i'm crazy enough to sync everything with backports.  backports have no integration plan
[04:46] <nickrud> geneo93, yeah, and, suprisingly, since I have always need the 'next app fix', happy
[04:46] <lampshade> Anyone use the built in tool to change refresh rate?  How do yo make it stick?  My changes are lost whenever I logout?  Is that a bug or what?
[04:47] <geneo93> sproingie:  why would you need backports
[04:47] <sproingie> it's times like that i miss freebsd ports.  gentoo gave me a bit of that flavor, along with an even bigger configuration management nightmare
[04:47] <sproingie> geneo93: haskell.  it's a bitch to compile, and i need the bleeding edge
[04:47] <DonL> Must go now. Thanks for the chat!
[04:48] <eater773> anybody.... why remount command not found... coz' i want to read write on floppy...
[04:48] <r0d> with apt-get is their a search switch? I'm coming from gentoo and i'm spoiled w/ portage
[04:48] <humbraro> eater773, man mount - there's a remount option
[04:48] <Amaranth> r0d: apt-cache search foo
[04:49] <humbraro> something like mount -remount /mnt/whatever
[04:49] <r0d> i quit gentoo on my 64bit arch because its very unstable
[04:49] <geneo93> sproingie:  why do you need something thats always broken
[04:49] <humbraro> jeez, hoary is bleeding edge for me, i came from slackware
[04:49] <r0d> ubun was a dream compared too gentoo
[04:50] <bassinboy> sproingie: hah, bleh, i love gentoo
[04:50] <nickrud> geneo93, because he programs, and we use
[04:50] <r0d> the 32bit gentoo is good, just their 64 needs some more apps
[04:50] <Acer> so uh
[04:50] <bassinboy> r0d: i USE="~amd64"
[04:50] <bassinboy> lol
[04:50] <Acer> where'd the name "ubuntu" come from
[04:51] <crimsun_> Acer: info on the web page
[04:51] <bassinboy> it says on the freakin cd's doesn't it? humanity to other? lol
[04:51] <r0d> bassinboy, different from march?
[04:51] <bassinboy> r0d: huh?
[04:51] <geneo93> nickrud:  well in that case then why not install it to opt then
[04:51] <r0d> one sec
[04:51] <Acer> haha wow
[04:51] <Acer> i can't believe i missed that
[04:51] <Acer> bold print, first thing on the main page
[04:51] <Acer> I must be going blind or something.
[04:52] <nickrud> geneo93, not everything plays well
[04:52] <kakalto> hi guys, I
[04:52] <r0d> i forget my USE="" parameter
[04:52] <kakalto> am installing a modem
[04:52] <r0d> its like march......
[04:52] <kakalto> I have the driver installed
[04:52] <kakalto> but when I run wvdial, there's no default config file
[04:52] <kakalto> how do I create a config file?
[04:52] <r0d> its the default for amd and it was kicking my ass
[04:52] <bassinboy> r0d: march is in cflags
[04:52] <nickrud> geneo93, which is why I stopped trying to be a cutting edge compiler, and became a satisfied user
[04:52] <r0d> !
[04:53] <bassinboy> r0d: *shrugs*.. lemme mount my gentoo partition
[04:53] <ka24> kakalto: long, long, long time since i used a modem.. but i think the command to generate a config was wvdialconf or something like that
[04:53] <ka24> check the manual
[04:53] <kakalto> thanks, ka24
[04:53] <sproingie> geneo93: i like a lot about the idea of gentoo, but the execution i have found lacking
[04:54] <nickrud> kakalto, try pppconfig, and pon/poff, its the 'debian' way
[04:54] <humbraro> i might try gentoo again once they get a real installer
[04:54] <r0d> maybe, I havent looked back for awhile I'm sure its just my mind is slipping
[04:54] <geneo93> well if i what to try cutting edge stuff anymore i install to opt
[04:54] <r0d> humbraro,  i learned alot from linux by installing gentoo
[04:54] <bassinboy> r0d: CFLAGS="-march=athlon64
[04:54] <r0d> i think its kool they make you do so much, but i guess it does get boring
[04:54] <humbraro> r0d, me too, i just don't need to be that cool anymore :)
[04:55] <r0d> yea
[04:55] <r0d> bassinboy, i have CFLAGS="march=k8"
[04:55] <r0d> which was their be default
[04:55] <r0d> so i left...errr
[04:55] <humbraro> personally, i've gotten enough knowledge over the last few years that i just want something that *works*, no hassle, no fuss
[04:56] <bassinboy> r0d: oh, it doesn't matter really, but you might want it -march and not march
[04:56] <r0d> well im a noob so i thought it was good for me. i can see where it would suck then
[04:56] <humbraro> so far, ubuntu is the best desktop for that and slack still rules the servers, imho
[04:56] <nickrud> mind you, it there weren't people who didn't want to be the cutting edge, I would be ass out.
[04:56] <AnObfuscator> humb: yeah, I'm migrating my *mom* to ubuntu next week.
[04:56] <r0d> i dont know about apt-get though. emerge feels better
[04:56] <AnObfuscator> it's that nice.
[04:56] <thoreauputic> kakalto: if this is a serial external modem, use ` sudo pppconfig` : it's much esier than wvdial and works well. Also make sure your user is in the dialout and dip groups
[04:56] <geneo93> the idea is to have a working system out of the box and use it not fix it all the time
[04:57] <bassinboy> r0d: indeed, portage (emerge) is the best of the best
[04:57] <humbraro> AnObfuscator, thats a good idea :) i'm sick of cleaning my mom's spyware and viruses
[04:57] <r0d> emerge makes the installation process worth it
[04:57] <r0d> but ubuntu was SO easy to install and found more hardware then gentoo
[04:57] <humbraro> i'd have to agree that emerge is pretty cool
[04:57] <AnObfuscator> humb: the other night, she found out she had a virus... I told her that I would fix it in the morning, but instead she did a google search for "spyware removal tool" and downloaded and installed EVERYTHING she found. :P
[04:58] <kakalto> thoreauputic, then how do I dial
[04:58] <kakalto> ?
[04:58] <AnObfuscator> I'm so looking forward to her using Linux. :)
[04:58] <kakalto> If I have configured successfully under pppconfig?
[04:58] <humbraro> sounds like a re-install to me, might as well be ubuntu
[04:58] <bassinboy> r0d: yeah, lets say gaim takes about 5 minutes to compile, but it's worth it, it has crashed on me like, once, in a year or so. and i use unstable
[04:58] <thoreauputic> kakalto: you just type `pon` in a terminal, `poff` to disconnect
[04:58] <r0d> is their an option to not use the "gen-kern" type kernel from the installation scripts?
[04:58] <sproingie> AnObfuscator: some people lack that healthy sense of skepticism
[04:58] <bassinboy> r0d: lol, you comfigure your own hardware on gentoo ;)
[04:59] <r0d> besides that, lol
[04:59] <AnObfuscator> spro: indeed.
[04:59] <thoreauputic> kakalto: you van connect those commands to launchers if you want to click instead
[04:59] <r0d> i was hoping somewhere earlier
[04:59] <bassinboy> r0d: Yes, you must have used stage3? ewww...
[04:59] <nickrud> geneo93, there are issues for a free os, and they are pretty much dealt with by http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:59] <kakalto> thoreauputic, it doesn't dial properly
[04:59] <r0d> lol no
[04:59] <r0d> gimme me some credit
[04:59] <AnObfuscator> Hey, I need some advice on filesystems...
[04:59] <r0d> i sure the hell didnt do stage1 though
[04:59] <bassinboy> r0d: did you go by the 2005.0 handbook ?
[04:59] <thoreauputic> kakalto: have you done the config steps?
[04:59] <r0d> yea
[04:59] <kakalto> I do "pon", it runs it... then it gets to the dialtone, but stays on 1 tone, it doesn't actually dial
[05:00] <kakalto> config steps?
[05:00] <r0d> gentoo was my first linux os
[05:00] <sproingie> ubuntu may not "officially" do binary drivers, but getting the ATI 3d driver working was dead simple
[05:00] <kakalto> r0d, me too :DD
[05:00] <humbraro> stage 1 isn't that hard, just time consuming
[05:00] <thoreauputic> kakalto: when you run pppconfig, does it find the modem?
[05:00] <kakalto> thoreauputic, what config steps?
[05:00] <kakalto> hang on
[05:00] <r0d> im about 3 months in linux. havent looked back to the windows world
[05:00] <bassinboy> r0d: i haven't really read that one but i know it isn't that good, it is more easy and fast, but the other ones show you how to build your own kernel, which are more personal and a lot faster
[05:01] <sproingie> needed a pointer to a little trick, which was to move away some wayward nvidia module, but it worked like a charm after
[05:01] <AnObfuscator> I'm trying to make a hermaphroditic powerbook that's half-ubuntu, half OS X, so I'm going to have a 15 gig OS X partition, 10 gig Linux, and a 30+ gig "shared" partition that I'll use for bulk storage (mp3's, pictures, etc.)
[05:01] <mpm> Can anyone please tell me what service/daemon app I can load in XFCE to get the hotplug automagical mounting of a digicam-cardreader via a firewire interface?
[05:01] <g14> Does anyone know if breezy will have ZeroConf support via howl in main?
[05:01] <thoreauputic> kakalto: you might need to tell pppconfig which serial port you use, like /dev/ttyS0
[05:01] <r0d> kool bassinboy. so you guys do stage1 images on gentoo? that must take FOREVER
[05:01] <sproingie> AnObfuscator: hermaphroditic?  which is which ... on second thought i dont think i want to know
[05:01] <g14> mpm: xfce doesn't have anything like that. Gnome uses gnome-volume-manager
[05:01] <AnObfuscator> I'm trying to figure out, what's the best filesystem to use for the shared partition?
[05:01] <kakalto> thoreauputic, yeah, it finds the modem...
[05:02] <AnObfuscator> spro: heheh, don't think about it too much. ;)
[05:02] <humbraro> AnObfuscator, i'll get flamed for saying this, but fat32 seems kind of obvious
[05:02] <slackd00d> were can i find a list of mirrors for apt
[05:02] <AnObfuscator> humb: for OSX?
[05:02] <thoreauputic> kakalto: can you connect with ` sudo pon` ?
[05:02] <geneo93> AnObfuscator:  fat32
[05:02] <kakalto> no
[05:02] <humbraro> cant OSX read fat32?
[05:02] <bassinboy> r0d: g2g, if you want to chat, my channel is #gentoo-texas ......... and stage one takes a few hours on athlon 64, and i have 1 gig dual chan memory
[05:02] <kakalto> because it doesn't actually dial the number
[05:02] <AnObfuscator> yes, it does.
[05:02] <thoreauputic> kakalto: if so, you have probably not added your user to dialout and dip
[05:03] <r0d> ok kool bassinboy
[05:03] <kakalto> to dialout and dip?
[05:03] <kakalto> how do I do that?
[05:03] <humbraro> if you're not worried about permissions or security on the shared partition, then fat32 would work
[05:03] <kakalto> those are groups, yes?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> kakalto: you entered the number without spaces, right?
[05:03] <kakalto> yup
[05:03] <AnObfuscator> better than ext2?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> kakalto: yes, those are groups
[05:03] <sproingie> permissions, security, or performance
[05:03] <nickrud> kakalto, yes, adduser <username> group, then log out and back in
[05:04] <humbraro> if you are, i *believe* OSX can read ext3, but i'd have to look it up to be sure
[05:04] <AnObfuscator> I'm most worried about data integrity.
[05:04] <nickrud> kakalto, groups will tell what groups you already belong to
[05:04] <humbraro> well, thats what backups are for, but haven't had a prob with fat32 blowing up in years
[05:04] <crimsun> AnObfuscator: between what OSes are you sharing the partition?
[05:05] <thoreauputic> kakalto: or use the graphical gnome tool for adding users to groups: but t o take effect you need to logout/login
[05:05] <AnObfuscator> because it's stuff that's *bulk* -- video, pictures, mp3's -- it's hard to back up. Crimsun: OSX and Ubuntu.
[05:05] <sproingie> if fat32 blows up, just about anything can fix it, since i think it has wholly redundant FATS
[05:05] <humbraro> sproingie, good point
[05:05] <geneo93> AnObfuscator:  if it not atached to windows its not worry
[05:05] <sproingie> i can never remember how much redundancy is in there
[05:06] <sproingie> but it's such a simple FS that it's easily repairable
[05:06] <jasoncohen> what source would i use for mplayer and acrobat on ubuntu? Can i use marillat?
[05:06] <AnObfuscator> right.
[05:06] <AnObfuscator> and linux writes reliably to F32?
[05:06] <sproingie> AnObfuscator: seamlessly.  no owners or permissions of course
[05:06] <humbraro> linux does fine on f32
[05:06] <humbraro> hell, you can use a swap-file in it if you want
[05:07] <AnObfuscator> well, it'd be ownerless, permissionless stuff, anyway.
[05:07] <geneo93> AnObfuscator:  i've had the same fat32 partition for 6 years and never had problems with it
[05:07] <Mosi> Anyone familiar with Bootstrap?
[05:08] <thoreauputic> jasoncohen: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats but I believe mplayer is available in multiverse
[05:08] <jasoncohen> thanks
[05:08] <AnObfuscator> lol, you guys are really starting to make sense. and I hadn't even THOUGHT about using Fat32 before.
[05:08] <jasoncohen> anyone run mythtv on ubuntu?
[05:08] <jasoncohen> i installed it on debian testing
[05:08] <nickrud> lol, I use xchat because I know nothing
[05:08] <sproingie> AnObfuscator: it's really a lowest common denominator sort of thing
[05:08] <biovore> kvirc 3.2 -- nice irc client for kde
[05:09] <sproingie> tho lots of FLASH storage systems use FAT.  mostly because they don't need anything else
[05:09] <jasoncohen> lol, why would one write to fat32 if they had a choice?
[05:09] <jasoncohen> other than for flash (usb key) etc.
[05:09] <jasoncohen> fat32 is slow
[05:09] <crimsun> AnObfuscator: I'd use ext3, personally
[05:09] <sproingie> yes it is, but compared to flash write access, it's fast enough
[05:09] <nickrud> jasoncohen, becuz my bosses are clueless
[05:09] <thoreauputic> fat32 has fragmentation problems and doesn't support permissions etc
[05:10] <geneo93> jasoncohen:  because i have other oses on this box
[05:10] <AnObfuscator> I don't care about permissions for this partition.
[05:10] <crimsun> AnObfuscator: read the "Mounting the Mac OS X HFS+ Partition" section on http://linux.sys-con.com/read/47809.htm
[05:10] <AnObfuscator> oh, thanks.
[05:10] <crimsun> AnObfuscator: note 'ext2fsx'
[05:11] <AnObfuscator> right, I've got that, and I was also thinking about ext2.
[05:11] <jasoncohen> does any ubuntu source have acrorbat reader 7?
[05:11] <jasoncohen> acrobat even
[05:11] <kakalto> guys, the modem doesn't work...
[05:11] <Mosi> Crimsun: do you know anything about bootstrap and yaboot? i'm having boot loader problems on a mac OS X box
[05:11] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Why use acroread when you have gpdf and/or evince?
[05:11] <kakalto> it's as if it's engaged
[05:11] <thoreauputic> crimsun: what connections do I need to make freepats/timidity work as a soft synth server for rosegarden? I kind of have it working with kmid, but rosegarden remains silent...
[05:12] <geneo93> i cant write to ext2 with beos so i use fat32
[05:12] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, because acrobat is simply better and it integrates with firefox well.
[05:12] <nickrud> kakalto, is it internal or external, and have you already check it's not a winmodem
[05:12] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: You've used it on linux?
[05:12] <AnObfuscator> I'm kinda curious about journaling, though: if OSX, say, is journaling the drive, and then linux makes a change, will OSX freak out and think the data got currupted?
[05:12] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i use pdfs all the time for school and many look like crap in kpdf, kghostview, xpdfy, gpdf etc.
[05:12] <AnObfuscator> er, corrupted
[05:12] <thoreauputic> crimsun: kmid appears to use 128:0 as a port, but I can't see how to enable that with rosegarden for midi playback
[05:12] <AnObfuscator> Geneo93: which version of BeOS do you use?
[05:12] <jasoncohen> believe me i've tried every damn pdf program and i'm sorry to say acrobat is far better
[05:12] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, yes, i use linux on all my machines
[05:12] <sproingie> AnObfuscator: both OS's aren't going to mount the same partition at the same time
[05:13] <kakalto> nickrud, it's internal and sort-of winmodem. But I installed the driver using scanModem
[05:13] <crimsun> AnObfuscator: the kernel driver of the host OS always has precedence
[05:13] <wesw> Amaranth, I'm late to conversation, but Acrobat 7 on linux is pretty good and required for some newer documents
[05:13] <geneo93> dano and R5
[05:13] <crimsun> AnObfuscator: you shouldn't experience any such problems
[05:13] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, currently running Mandriva 2005 on my mythtv/fileserver/ssh/vpn server and debian testing on my laptop
[05:13] <AnObfuscator> ok.
[05:13] <Amaranth> Well, I don't think hoary has acroread 7, it came out too late.
[05:13] <nickrud> kakalto, heh, I've got an internal, but it's old school. I've used a couple of such
[05:14] <jasoncohen> yeah, marillat (an unofficial source) has it for debian
[05:14] <kakalto> lucky you.
[05:14] <sproingie> AnObfuscator: having a partition open for write by two OS's at once (i.e. with virtualization) is a disaster begging to happen
[05:14] <Shingo--> Hi, I have a problem in Ubuntu, I want to help to solve the problem. what channel I have to go talk about the problem?
[05:14] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[05:14] <kakalto> mine isn't
[05:14] <jasoncohen> as well as acroread-plugins and mozilla-acroread
[05:14] <Burgundavia> wesw, and it contains spyware
[05:14] <crimsun> Shingo--: you're in the right place
[05:14] <Burgundavia> evince is nicer and faster
[05:14] <nickrud> kakalto, I do kiss my zoom, now and then
[05:14] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Some not so bright people use marillat with ubuntu.
[05:14] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, heh
[05:14] <crimsun> Mosi: unfortunately I'm not well-versed in yaboot
[05:14] <wesw> Burgundavia, like how?
[05:15] <Mosi> crimsun: thanks anyways
[05:15] <jasoncohen> does evince even integrate with mozilla?
[05:15] <AnObfuscator> sproingie: well, they wouldn't both be writing at once, so I'm not so worried. :)
[05:15] <Mosi> Anyone familiar with yaboot and bootstrap?
[05:15] <Burgundavia> wesw, http://lwn.net/Articles/129729/
[05:16] <crimsun> thoreauputic: tried fluidsynth?
[05:16] <Shingo--> crimsun: thank you, the package bluez-util has dependencies from dbus-1 in bleeze dbus-1 is obsolete.
[05:16] <Shingo--> what can I do?
[05:16] <thoreauputic> crimsun: yes, without success so far
[05:17] <crimsun> Shingo--: bleeze -> breezy?
[05:17] <Shingo--> sorry.
[05:17] <admrl_> does anyone know where i can learn about the afterstep window manager..?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> crimsun: but I need a soundfont for it I guess: what I'm trying to understand is how the connections to my virtual midi device are made ( aconnect etc)
[05:17] <mpm> g14: how would you go about mounting that firewire cardreader I mentioned in xfce without the gnome-volume-manager?  I could just invoke that utility without starting gnome couldn't i?
[05:18] <crimsun> admrl_: afterstep.org
[05:18] <humbraro> admrl_, you mean other than www.afterstep.org?
[05:18] <thoreauputic> crimsun: tried jackd as well, but I don't understand it properly
[05:18] <admrl_> yep
[05:18] <Shingo--> crimsun: the bug https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11004
[05:18] <wesw> Burgundavia, thanks, added remoteapproach.com to my firewall blocklist.  done.
[05:19] <Cybermagellan> finally got my Ubuntu disk YAY!
[05:19] <jasoncohen> will ubuntu recognize my XFS LVM2 partition?
[05:19] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  i think you need mm kernel for jackd
[05:19] <crimsun> geneo93: for what extension?
[05:19] <crimsun> (jackd will run fine on stock Ubuntu)
[05:19] <thoreauputic> geneo93: it seems to run OK, but roesgarden remains obstinately silent
[05:20] <nickrud> Amaranth, do you have a pointer I can hand out for mplayer not from mallirat
[05:20] <Amaranth> wesw: By using acroread 7 at all you're saying spyware in linux is ok
[05:20] <admrl_> i havnt found alot on afterstep.org that can help me i want to put new icons on the desktop and change the images on them
[05:20] <thoreauputic> *rosegarden4
[05:20] <geneo93> crimsun:  low level sound
[05:20] <Amaranth> nickrud: hoary has mplayer
[05:20] <wesw> jasoncohen, i don't know specifically on XFS LVM2, but I use XFS as my ubuntu primary partitions
[05:20] <crimsun> geneo93: meaning?
[05:20] <geneo93> i could never get rosegarden to work in any distro
[05:21] <wesw> amaranth, not okay, just give the other .pdf devs time to make their progs compliant with the other new features in acrobat
[05:21] <Laforge> deuce868 are you here?
[05:21] <geneo93> crimsun:  the daimon just wont start
[05:21] <crimsun> thoreauputic: have you checked out the top midi links on alsa.opensrc.org?
[05:21] <thoreauputic> geneo93: what do use for notation and playback?
[05:21] <admrl_> all the information i find is wrong
[05:21] <thoreauputic> crimsun: no, will do - thanks
[05:22] <thoreauputic> crimsun: I've done much googling, but all the docs I've found are incomprehensible ;-)
[05:23] <danko123456> thoreauputic: in english?
[05:23] <geneo93> thoreauputic: timidity
[05:23] <humbraro> admrl_, try asking on #afterstep
[05:23] <humbraro> admrl_, they also have a mailing list
[05:23] <thoreauputic> geneo93: I have timidity working: that isn't my issue
[05:24] <Amaranth> wesw: One feature acroread has that the other won't is the ability to submit forms
[05:24] <thoreauputic> geneo93: ah, I see - you use timidity for notation too?
[05:24] <jasoncohen> ubuntu sees all my lvm groups but it shows them seperately rather than as one partition
[05:24] <g14> mpm: My "solution" was more of a hack but it worked well. If you want, I'll show you
[05:24] <gabacho> Hello..I am new to Ubuntu.  Where can I see a listing of what apps are in the apt-get repository?
[05:24] <jasoncohen> i have about 5 or 6 groups that make up a 400 GB LVM partition spanning 4 HDs
[05:24] <Amaranth> wesw: Since that is the feature remote approach uses to phone home
[05:24] <crimsun> gabacho: packages.ubuntu.com
[05:24] <gabacho> crimsun...thx
[05:24] <mpm> please g14
[05:24] <Chipparn> i have downloaded Azureus2.3.0.0.jar.. how do i start a jar file?
[05:25] <wesw> amaranth, and some of the security 'features' that simply won't open in other .pdf programs, depending on your source document
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> java filename.jar?
[05:25] <crimsun> Chipparn: java -jar foo.jar
[05:26] <haydenTNG> what are good apps to have on a linux server/
[05:26] <g14> mpm: It involves using nautilus to display the desktop and gnome-volume-manager to do hotplug
[05:26] <Laforge> Ok well i have trouble getting internet on Ubuntu
[05:26] <g14> mpm, First, you need to make the autostart directory and keep it from showing up on your desktop mkdir -p ~/Desktop/Autostart && echo Autostart > ~/Desktop/.hidden
[05:26] <thoreauputic> crimsun: do you happen to know if #ubuntu is still going to be moved to another server (ref: UDU wiki) ?
[05:27] <Mosi> this is kind of a stupdi question, but on non-PPC boxes, what bootloader does ubuntu use?
[05:27] <jasoncohen> what's the package to install on ubuntu to get KDE?
[05:27] <Chipparn> crimsun: thanks.. and if i want to make it run by clicking it?
[05:27] <thoreauputic> Mosi: grub
[05:27] <crimsun> thoreauputic: I don't know offhand, but when there's more concrete information, it will be available publicly
[05:27] <Mosi> Thoreaputic: Thanks
[05:27] <thoreauputic> Mosi: although in theory you could use lilo if you prefer it
[05:28] <geneo93> jasoncohen:  kde
[05:28] <AnObfuscator> hmmm. Airport extreme doesn't work *period*, or only works at 11b speeds?
[05:28] <danko123456> period
[05:28] <Laforge> I don't know how to set it up and when installed it said that it couldn't detect a card
[05:28] <jasoncohen> i thought it was ubuntu-desktop or something similar
[05:28] <g14> mpm: Make the script ~/Desktop/Autostart/nautilus and make it contain this: http://pastebin.com/287292
[05:28] <jasoncohen> i guess ubuntu has a kde metapackage like debian
[05:29] <thoreauputic> crimsun: OK, thanks
[05:29] <g14> mpm: Thats pretty much it
[05:29] <g14> mpm: Make sense?
[05:29] <mpm> thanks a lot g14 i'm workin' on it
[05:29] <geneo93> jasoncohen:  if you what to keep gnome just do sudo apt-get install kde
[05:30] <jasoncohen> ok
[05:30] <g14> mpm: There is one known problem that I think I know how to fix
[05:31] <thoreauputic> geneo93, jasoncohen, I installed kubuntu-desktop and it works fine
[05:32] <jasoncohen> damn that was a fast install
[05:32] <thoreauputic> jasoncohen: kubuntu-desktop is the metapackage you want
[05:32] <jasoncohen> ok
[05:32] <geneo93> why would you want kdm to screww up gdm
[05:32] <thoreauputic> geneo93: it doesn't
[05:32] <danko123456> geneo93: it will be fine...
[05:33] <thoreauputic> geneo93: you get asked which dm you want
[05:33] <g14> mpm: There are issues with logging out and xfce not killing all of the things it should before switching back to gdm. Something to do with the session manager
[05:33] <geneo93> sure does
[05:33] <geneo93> ok did
[05:33] <thoreauputic> geneo93: I have KDE and gnome, and I use gdm no problems
[05:33] <g14> mpm: If you logout and then login as a different user, it might not load nautilus right because doing that messed with the session. You might run nautilus -n with --sm-disable also
[05:34] <geneo93> well i use gdm also
[05:34] <jasoncohen> lol, well grub didn't work too well. i get a kernel panic going into mdk
[05:34] <geneo93> but kdm is much nicer
[05:34] <mpm> g14: so in that script add those flags?
[05:34] <thoreauputic> geneo93: did you use the kubuntu-desktop metapackage to install KDE ?
[05:35] <SeamusLT> anyone here have trouble with backspace in screen on ubuntu hoary?
[05:35] <humbraro> anybody here know a good rtfm or stfw on using xdmcp over ssl?  i cant find any good docs out there
[05:35] <g14> mpm: Add --sm-disable to the end of nautilus and to gnome-volume-manager. I've never tried that but it might work. It's worth a shot so tell me if it does
[05:36] <sadjester> is it possible to use the debian sites for packages?
[05:37] <thoreauputic> sadjester: not recommended
[05:37] <nickrud> sadjester, my one attempt did fail
[05:37] <geneo93> sadjester:  if you want broken system
[05:37] <danko123456> SeamusLT: can you rephrase?
[05:37] <nickrud> not done yet, I abhore hpoj
[05:38] <sadjester> hrm
[05:38] <JDahl> sadjester, it should be possible to mix it
[05:38] <sadjester> okay, cause ubuntu severely lacks most dev apps
[05:38] <danko123456> humbraro: rtfm, stfw...
[05:38] <danko123456> :)
[05:38] <jasoncohen> so there's a hoary main universe multiverse restricted and a hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted?
[05:38] <JDahl> sadjester, with simple packages preferably
[05:38] <sadjester> well, like anjuta, some others, xemacs
[05:38] <sadjester> i don't really want to build them all from src...
[05:38] <nickrud> JDahl, lol, the easy packages are already done
[05:38] <JDahl> sadjester, xemacs is in universe
[05:39] <g14> I like eclipse
[05:39] <sadjester> ok, i need to edit my sources list
[05:39] <sadjester> gl4: i sorry
[05:39] <humbraro> danko123456, hehe
[05:39] <sadjester> gl4: eclipse as in the java ide?
[05:39] <whyameye> anybody know how to get Pure Data working? I'm getting errors about Alsa...
[05:39] <AnObfuscator> But isn't Ubuntu basically a cleaned-up debian...? so why won't a debian package run on Ubuntu?
[05:39] <danko123456> sadjester: there is an anjuta in my synaptic.
[05:40] <g14> sadjester: eclipse as in the java ide that does most popular programming languages and has autocomplete for python. Search for pydev :)
[05:40] <thoreauputic> AnObfuscator: some will, but some will have library mismatches
[05:40] <JDahl> AnObfuscator, you're right, in principle they should
[05:40] <sadjester> well, they have different dependency setups in a lot of cases i guess
[05:40] <whyameye> specifically, when trying to run Pure Data, I get "ALSA lib seq_hw.c:446:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory
[05:40] <whyameye> "
[05:40] <sadjester> ok, anjuta is in universe
[05:40] <g14> AnObfuscator: Debian has very old packages whereas ubuntu has alot of newer stuff. Example being ubuntu switched to xorg where debian did not
[05:41] <Laforge> Anyone know how to setup a network?
[05:41] <sadjester> debian isn't xorg yet?
[05:41] <sadjester> or at least experimental
[05:41] <humbraro> Laforge, whats your question?
[05:42] <Laforge> ok well i was setting up my machine
[05:42] <thoreauputic> whyameye: does your sound card support wavetable/midi etc? If not you will need a sot-syth and to modprobe some modules
[05:42] <g14> Someone feel free to correct me, but I read on some mailinglist about talk of debian including the ubuntu xorg packages once sarge is released and the new unstable comes out
[05:42] <Laforge> then i get a box that says the netwoks cannot be set up
[05:42] <thoreauputic> *soft-synt
[05:42] <Laforge> I don't know how to manually set one
[05:42] <thoreauputic> bah
[05:42] <whyameye> thoreaputic: I doubt my sound card supports anything. Are there packages I can download to address these issues?
[05:43] <danko123456> wow, I just logged into afterstep after that one guy asked a question about it...and, you can move from one workspace to another by putting the mouse to the side where the other workspace is, so, like, you can go up down, left right...
[05:43] <thoreauputic> whyameye: yes, sort of: it gets a bit hairy
[05:43] <whyameye> thoreauputic: why would I need a soft synth for just audio in and out with Pd?
[05:43] <incubii> i prefer the scroll wheel way that fluxbox uses for workspaces
[05:43] <humbraro> Laforge, is it safe to assume you know nothing about networking?
[05:43] <g14> danko123456: Enlightenment has done that for years, and with pretty scroll effects
[05:43] <thoreauputic> whyameye: I don't know - but you seem to be missing a sequencer at least
[05:43] <nickrud> Amaranth, on further investigation, I have discovered I am using the hoary mplayer, and heh
[05:44] <whyameye> thoreauputic: why do you say I am missing a sequencer? Pd doesn't need one. In fact, Pd is often used as one.
[05:44] <Laforge> humbraro very little
[05:44] <humbraro> Laforge, ok, wasn't trying to sound like  a dick, but your network seems to be up, since your talking on this channel
[05:44] <Laforge> humbraro, this is my normal computer
[05:45] <thoreauputic> whyameye: it can't find it? according to the error you posted?
[05:45] <danko123456> hah, well, that much he has to know,...
[05:45] <Laforge> humbraro, i set up ubuntu on a different computer
[05:45] <humbraro> Laforge, ok, on the ubuntu box...
[05:45] <mpm> g14 so I got it set up like you said; how do I err activate it?
[05:45] <danko123456> laforge, are you on DHCP, like cable internet?
[05:45] <Laforge> humbraro, yes
[05:45] <whyameye> thoreauputic: oh I see. so the seq in /dev/snd/seq stands for sequencer, huh?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> whyameye: possibly loading the snd_seq modules would be enough?
[05:45] <humbraro> hit system--->Administration--->Networking
[05:46] <Laforge> humbraro, ok
[05:46] <humbraro> then type in your password
[05:46] <whyameye> thoreauputic: is that just an apt-get install snd_seq?
[05:46] <g14> mpm: Have you made the script executable and logged into your xfce desktop?
[05:46] <Laforge> humbraro, i am in
[05:46] <thoreauputic> whyameye: no, the modules are in the kernel
[05:46] <AnObfuscator> ok, well, I'm off, thanks for your help, guys.
[05:46] <humbraro> ok, do you have an ethernet connection listed?
[05:46] <Laforge> no
[05:46] <humbraro> better question- do you connect through ethernet?
[05:47] <whyameye> thoreauputic: how do I load them? modprobe?
[05:47] <jasoncohen> the first user is the admin, correct?
[05:47] <mpm> g14 yes, did it all from inside xfce and i chmodded it to 777
[05:47] <Laforge> humbraro, yes i connect through ethernet
[05:47] <Laforge> humbraro, but all that is listed is modem
[05:47] <danko123456> jasoncohen: right.
[05:47] <thoreauputic> whyameye: yes, like sudo modprobe snd_seq
[05:47] <g14> mpm: logout and re-login
[05:47] <mpm> k
[05:47] <g14> mpm: chmod it 755
[05:47] <geneo93> jasoncohen:  yes
[05:47] <mpm> ok
[05:47] <thoreauputic> whyameye: and sudo modprobe snd_seq_device  and so on
[05:47] <humbraro> thats odd, if there's anything linux supports *very* well, its network controllers
[05:48] <thoreauputic> whyameye: then if they work as expected, add them to /etc/modules
[05:48] <danko123456> Laforge: are you on cable internet?
[05:48] <humbraro> do you know what kind of ethernet card you have?
[05:48] <Laforge> humbraro, ADMtek
[05:49] <Laforge> danko123456 yes i am on cable
[05:50] <incubii>  hmm @ topic "PLEASE DONT USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY"
[05:50] <incubii> why not
[05:50] <incubii> works fine for me
[05:51] <incubii> :D
[05:51] <whyameye> thoreauputic: thanks. Now we are really close. Pd now loads. I can't hear any sound though. I get "snd_pcm_open (output): Device or resource busy
[05:51] <whyameye> "
[05:51] <daniels> incubii: x is, um, interesting
[05:51] <humbraro> Laforge, i'm sorry, i cant stick around to help :/
[05:51] <Laforge> ok
[05:51] <humbraro> i got to go to the airport
[05:51] <humbraro> laters al
[05:51] <nickrud> incubii, c++ transition, and not  telling us about not upgrading is not fair :)
[05:51] <incubii> lol
[05:51] <whyameye> thoreauptic: actually I'm getting / /dev/dsp (read/write): Device or resource busy
[05:51] <whyameye> (now will try write-only...)
[05:51] <whyameye> /dev/dsp (writeonly): Device or resource busy
[05:51] <incubii> awww come on live on the bleedin edge
[05:51] <thoreauputic> whyameye: try killing anything using the sound card, like esd or arts etc
[05:52] <repete> Anyone know where I can get the some Breezy packages?
[05:52] <repete> I just discovered my wireless card doesn't work with this version of madwifi :-/
[05:52] <nickrud> incubii, experimental, when you haven't learned how to pin, is bleeding edge :)
[05:52] <whyameye> thoreaputic: how do I kill these things? Also, what is arts? I'm a newbie, obviously...
[05:52] <Razor-X> hey all
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> read the ubuntu wiki
[05:52] <incubii> hehe
[05:53] <g14> whyameye: type lsof /dev/dsp
[05:53] <thoreauputic> whyameye: arts and esd are sound "daemons"
[05:53] <g14> whyameye: That will tell you what is using it
[05:53] <repete> whyameye: arts is a sound daemon
[05:53] <thoreauputic> whyameye: you can kill them with , for instance, ` killall esd`
[05:54] <danko123456> laforge, do a pppoeconf in a terminal, just to see if the eth0 is displayed there, tell me if it fnds a network interface.
[05:55] <thoreauputic> whyameye: as g14 says, lsof /dev/dsp will tell you: then you can kill those processes with `kill <process number> `
[05:55] <whyameye> thoreauputic et al: it works! Thanks so much! Now, when I run it, it gives me the choice of OSS or ALSA. If I choose ALSA it doesn't work, but OSS works. Should I care?
[05:56] <Tritis> Hello all, if I was silly enough to apt-get dist-upgrade to breezy, is my install screwed?  or is the big block capitol warning in the topic not that serious?
[05:56] <thoreauputic> whyameye: whatever works *grin*
[05:56] <nickrud> Tritis, lol
[05:56] <Tritis> nickrud: Thats a good laugh, right?
[05:56] <JDahl> Tritis, you can run Breezy
[05:56] <thoreauputic> whyameye: oss and alsa talk to each other anyway
[05:56] <count0nz> Tritis, yes
[05:56] <whyameye> thoreauputic: one other thing. Do I want to bring esd back up when I am done or should I not worry about it? If I need to bring it up, how do I do this?
[05:57] <jasoncohen> i'm getting "failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager" child terminated with 1 status" when i try to run synaptic or update manager
[05:57] <JDahl> Tritis, but I
[05:57] <jasoncohen> but i can do so from terminal
[05:57] <thoreauputic> whyameye: typing esd should do it
[05:57] <nickrud> Tritis, yeah, a lol because it can be a very fun experience, but I'd wait a bit
[05:57] <JDahl> Tritis, I've had to reconfigure a bunch of stuff a couple of times
[05:57] <Tritis> Ok, I just combined count0nz, JDahl,  and nickrud's answers to get yes you can run Breezy lol
[05:57] <Laforge> danko12345, ok well it said no working ethernet card found, asks if i want to run modconf
[05:57] <aaron89> i installed glib-2.6.4 and no I dont know how to remove 2.6.3, how do I do this?
[05:58] <g14> If you want breezy, get the colony 1 cd and don't do any of the updates until they are done transitioning to the new xorg and c++ packages
[05:58] <whyameye> thoreauputic: just one other dumb question. Is there a shortcut to typing peoples names in xchat or do I need to type the name of whoever I am speaking to manually, as I have been?
[05:58] <Tritis> JDahl, ok because in gaim i can't close tabs with ctrl+W anymore and that seems to be the only problem i have, and it isn't too serious.
[05:58] <danko123456> Laforge: can you run modconf?
[05:58] <thoreauputic> whyameye: tab complete
[05:58] <thoreauputic> whyameye: like `thore <tab> `
[05:58] <count0nz> g14, thats what i am doing now as we speak :)
[05:58] <JDahl> Tritis, although I am not sure why I bothered updated... I guess I just love those big dist-upgrade
[05:59] <count0nz> i figure colony-1 whuld be a cleaner base to start with
[05:59] <Mosi> Anyone know if Grub will run on a PPC box?
[05:59] <whyameye> thoreauputic: thanks! I should have thought of that! Anyway, you have been incredibly helpful. Thanks so much!
[05:59] <Laforge> danko12345 let me try
[05:59] <g14> count0nz: Thats what I did and I just couldn't resist trying out beagle
[05:59] <incubii> for PPC you use yaboot or bootX
[05:59] <Tritis> JDahl: I saw somewhere that RC1 was released, so i figured it was good enough to make the 665 meg update.
[05:59] <eater773> anybody... why  i can't read/write on my floppy.... just edited /fstab  to make floppy automatic
[05:59] <Laforge> danko12345, no it says command not found
[05:59] <Mosi> incubii: tell me about bootX
[05:59] <eater773> anybody... why  i can't write on my floppy.... just edited /fstab  to make floppy automatic
[05:59] <Tritis> g14: OH!  thanks!  haha you just reminded me why I did in fact upgrade to breezy.
[05:59] <nickrud> g14, is beagle in the colony disk?
[05:59] <thoreauputic> whyameye: no worries :) Don't forget to add those modules to /etc/modules so they will load on next boot
[06:00] <incubii> i don tknow anything about bootx, but yaboot is just like any other text boot loader
[06:00] <Mosi> eater773: can you paste the contents of your /etc/fstab to www.pastebin.com and send em the link/
[06:00] <aaron89> can anyone tell me how to uninstall glib 2.6.3?
[06:00] <eater773> Mosi--> ok..
[06:00] <nickrud> mono 1.1.x?
[06:00] <Mosi> Incubii: thanks
[06:00] <crimsun> aaron89: err, are you sure you want to do that?
[06:00] <g14> nickrud: I got the newest version from apt. I don't believe so
[06:00] <incubii> it supports multiple OSes too so you can keep OS X on your box
[06:00] <aaron89> crimsun, I installed glib 2.6.4 and not I need to remove 2.6.3 but I don't know how
[06:01] <Mosi> Incubii: I had Yaboot running for a while, but it got wiped when i installed a new version of OS X
[06:01] <crimsun> aaron89: how did you install 2.6.4?
[06:01] <aaron89> compiled
[06:01] <eater773> Mosi --> http://pastebin.com/287301
[06:01] <count0nz> maby 3 breezy box's
[06:01] <crimsun> aaron89: what was broken in 2.6.3 for you?
[06:02] <whyameye> thoreauputic: I just did that! Thanks!
[06:02] <aaron89> i kept getting errors when compiling
[06:02] <nickrud> although, I wonder just where gnome will go
[06:02] <thoreauputic> whyameye: you should be good to go then :) Enjoy!
[06:02] <Mosi> eater773: Looks good to me... what happens if, after the normal mount on boot up, you umount it and remount it manually? same problem?
[06:02] <aaron89> i didn't know ubuntu had 2.6.3 I thought I was just going to install over it and fix the problems
[06:03] <crimsun> aaron89: what sort of errors?
[06:03] <aaron89> test errors
[06:03] <Laforge> danko12345 did you get my last message?
[06:03] <aaron89> i just need to uninstall one of them
[06:03] <whyameye> thoreauputic: nice bonus: This all fixed the problems I was having w/ csound too.
[06:03] <aaron89> either 2.6.4 or 2.6.3 either one
[06:03] <aaron89> i just dont know hwo
[06:03] <aaron89> how*
[06:03] <crimsun> aaron89: I'd uninstall the one you just compiled
[06:03] <aaron89> and I do that by?
[06:04] <thoreauputic> whyameye: cool !
[06:04] <g14> nickrud: How does beagle compare to spotlight? I have wanted to play with that to see which is better
[06:04] <crimsun> aaron89: if you still have the compiled source tree lying about, just sudo make uninstall && sudo ldconfig
[06:04] <eater773> Mosi -> yes .. every new floppy i use mount & remount... floppy can read... but not for saving anyfiles... even it is rw access...
[06:04] <aaron89> that I do
[06:04] <aaron89> ok i try that
[06:04] <nickrud> g14, I don't know, I wait for usable packages these days
[06:04] <g14> eater773: Does it give you permission errors?
[06:05] <g14> nickrud: beagle is usable :)
[06:05] <Mosi> eater773: Clearly not a problem with your mount then... possibly bad floppy drive? permissions on /dev/fd0 maybe?
[06:05] <whyameye> thoreauputic: so when I type esd, should the command prompt come back, or do I want to type esd &? I just typed esd and the command prompt didn't come back...
[06:05] <thoreauputic> yes, type esd & in that case
[06:05] <aaron89> thanks crimsun
[06:06] <aaron89> :)
[06:06] <nickrud> g14, in hoary? I've been using hoary pretty conservatively, only adding things I actually use.
[06:06] <drcode> hi all
[06:06] <drcode> whats up
[06:06] <jasoncohen> anything that requires sudo privileges is giving me "failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager" child terminated with 1 status"
[06:06] <pikaaa> is Ubuntu faster than windows xp?
[06:06] <whyameye> thoreauputic: thanks. Good enough!
[06:06] <nickrud> g14, the opposite of how I played with unstable
[06:06] <Mosi> Pikaaa, could you pleas be more vague? lol
[06:06] <drcode> Is there news grabber like nget (that work in console) that can download with more then one connections?
[06:06] <g14> nickrud: no, nevermind beagle was a pain to get set up initially in hoary
[06:07] <eater773> Mosi & gl4 -> permission ok..... floppy drive ok...  new floppy ok...
[06:07] <g14> eater773: What kind of errors are you getting?
[06:07] <nali0th> howdy y'all
[06:07] <thoreauputic> whyameye: most apps that use an esd output plugin will load it anyway, I think (I may be wrong)
[06:07] <pikaaa> Mosi i mean does it take less resources, does it run faster on the same machine
[06:07] <nali0th> installin a new ubuntu user
[06:07] <nickrud> g14, yeah, that's what I'd gathered, and right now I don't have time to play too much, except here
[06:07] <count0nz> pikaaa, it realy depends what you run
[06:07] <eater773> gl4--> no error.... just can write to floppy ...
[06:08] <eater773> gl4> can't copy a file from hd to floppy...
[06:08] <g14> eater773: type id
[06:08] <eater773> gl4> but floppy to hd ok...
[06:08] <whyameye> thoreauputic: okay, I won't sweat it. I just love this channel. People like you have saved me *hours* of frustration as I get used to Linux.
[06:08] <Mosi> pikaaa: i'm not sure, i'm the wrong person to ask
[06:08] <count0nz> pikaaa, can you give examples ?
[06:08] <g14> eater773: I'm going to guess it says uid=1000
[06:08] <eater773> where fo i type id in terminal ???
[06:08] <Mosi> eater773: you mean you can write to a new floppy?
[06:08] <g14> eater773: yep
[06:08] <pikaaa> just general stuff, firefox, email, maybe office, photoshop, etc
[06:08] <thoreauputic> whyameye: heh - this is how I pay for my free CDs ;-)
[06:08] <pikaaa> mp3
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol thoreauputic. hadnt thought of it that way
[06:09] <eater773> Mosi> i mean i can't write to a new floppy the file i want to be copied.... sorry for the wrong sentence..
[06:09] <count0nz> pikaaa, Generaly yes becose theres not a lot of other crap being ran in brackground, and it seems to play mp3's better and movies
[06:09] <g14> eater773: did you type id at a command prompt?
[06:09] <nickrud>  thoreauputic ditto
[06:09] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:09] <eater773> gl4> it say uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
[06:10] <eater773> gl4 >> no in terminal
[06:10] <g14> eater773: Ok, and your copying the files as a normal user, or as root through the terminal?
[06:10] <count0nz> pikaaa, we don't have photoshop so can't realy compiare i am not a gimp user so i can't answer how it is with gimp vs photoshop
[06:10] <eater773> gl4 >> root user
[06:11] <eater773> gl4 >> root terminal user ...
[06:11] <pikaaa> ok thanx ill see it for myself
[06:11] <pikaaa> just one last question, how is ubuntu compared to gentoo for a home desktop user (no server)
[06:11] <g14> pikaaa: Gnome has slightly higher memory requirements than windows xp. Gnome 2.12 will be coming out in the future and will require much less resources thanks to glib improvements from novell
[06:11] <count0nz> pikaaa, grab the live cd even and have a play
[06:11] <pikaaa> gentoo seems to be very popular around here
[06:11] <count0nz> pikaaa, more stable, you don' have to wait for things to compile all the time
[06:12] <g14> eater773: Well then you have to get some error. cp or mv will give you errors if they can't write to the file
[06:12] <nickrud> pikaaa, its the differnce between building your car and using int
[06:12] <nickrud> *it
[06:13] <count0nz> pikaaa, Gentoo is great if you like tinkering with the OS get gentoo, if you want a Great Linux OS but want to just install things and go get U
[06:13] <pikaaa> is there a tutorial to learn how to perform server installs and then get the necessary apps to run ubuntu as desktop
[06:13] <g14> gentoo will give you a sleek and usable desktop... in about 3 days. Ubuntu will give you the sleekest and most usable linux desktop... in about an hour
[06:13] <nali0th> pikaaa: it is very user friendly
[06:13] <pschulz01> can any one suggest a 'recursive' ftp client? I'm looking to back up a large tree.
[06:13] <pikaaa> i have seen the livecd and i loved ubuntu, nali0th i am actually thinking of using it over windows xp and ive been in microsoft for 6 years lol
[06:13] <nali0th> pikaaa: it is easily the user-friendliest linux out-of-the-box distro i've used
[06:13] <count0nz> pikaaa, U is kinda still geting there with the Wiki's check the forum's generaly the Defaults are fine
[06:14] <eater773> gl4 -> i tried to copy file from HD to floppy.. and it copied... i don't know guys what happen i tried it last 3 days it won't copied... but now.... don't know what really happen...
[06:14] <nali0th> pschulz01: gftp?
[06:14] <g14> eater773: user error :-)
[06:14] <nali0th> pschulz01: or you could use wget
[06:14] <nickrud> pschulz01, gftp has done everything I've ever asked of ti
[06:14] <pschulz01> Doesn't recurse into subdirectories.. as far as I can tell.
[06:14] <pschulz01> And I want to 'push' rather than pull.
[06:14] <jasoncohen> does ubuntu have a graphical app for partitioning?
[06:14] <Mosi> pschultz01: Can't you just tar up thw whole tree and ftp that?
[06:15] <nali0th> pschulz01: use wget
[06:15] <eater773> gl4 & Mosi -> i think through ur help.. the system got afraid... no user error... i will tried now the floppy to other computer using windowXP & ME...
[06:15] <nali0th> jasoncohen: qtparted
[06:15] <jasoncohen> thanks
[06:15] <pschulz01> Can't tar.. remote site  doesn't allow shell.
[06:15] <g14> jasoncohen: Use gparted, qtparted isn't actively developed anymore :P
[06:15] <eater773> gl4 & mosi >>> i'll be back.... pls. wait...
[06:15] <nali0th> pschulz01: then use wget
[06:15] <Mosi> eater773: glad you got it working
[06:15] <g14> jasoncohen: It says so on the qtparted website
[06:15] <pschulz01> Will wget 'push'?
[06:15] <nali0th> pschulz01: wget will recursively pull EVERYTHING from the site
[06:15] <jasoncohen> ok
[06:16] <nali0th> pschulz01: wget is a retrieval program
[06:16] <saber_> Anyone ever have a problem with windows opened in a VNC Session? The windows Open, but their title bar is off screen
[06:16] <nali0th> pschulz01: it is quite thorough when given the proper command line arguments
[06:16] <Laforge> Ok this is really stupid, i don't know how to setup a new network
[06:16] <pschulz01> I have no shell access on the remote machine.
[06:16] <bigfoot> is there a _complete_ list of keyboard shortcuts in FF?
[06:17] <g14> saber_, When vnc has control, hit ALT SPACE to bring up the menu. Then hit M to move it and use the arrow keys. Does that work?
[06:17] <eater773> gl4 & Mosi >>> i tried the floppy... it work.... but it say the formula in Exell is not updated here in linuxoffice..
[06:17] <pschulz01> Anyone use yafc
[06:17] <saber_> let me go try it, g14
[06:17] <eater773> gl4 > should i update the LinuxOffice system ????
[06:18] <dcraven> bigfoot: First hit on a google search --> http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/keyboard
[06:18] <Mosi> eater773: Out of my realm of experience, sorry
[06:18] <eater773> Mosi -> ok....
[06:18] <thoreauputic> eater773: if it uses macros you are out of luck
[06:18] <g14> eater773: LinuxOffice? you mean openoffice?
[06:18] <saber_> g14: Ah great! Thanks for the advice. It works perfectly
[06:18] <eater773> gl4 -> yes OpenOffice...
[06:18] <g14> saber_: I had the same problem a few years back, no problem
[06:19] <g14> eater773: Excel macros and OpenOffice macros aren't compatible. You'll need to redo the macros
[06:19] <bigfoot> dcraven, that site says that "This is a list of the most common keyboard shortcuts in Firefox." Are there keyboard shortcuts which are not listed?
[06:19] <bigfoot> dcraven, "most common" does not equal "all" is what I wonder...
[06:20] <dr_willis> actually cant you make your own shortcuts with firefox?
[06:20] <dcraven> bigfoot: I dunno, but the mozilla site is likely to have the most complete list.
[06:20] <jasoncohen> anyone know why i am getting this error every time i try to use an app that requires root privileges (failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager" child terminated with 1 status""
[06:21] <saber_> jason, are you running the command as root?
[06:22] <whyameye_> if I type ifup wlan0, should that bring my wireless up?
[06:22] <dcraven> jasoncohen: I think I've seen that from time to time as well. Not frequently however, so I've ignored it.
[06:22] <dcraven> whyameye_: Yeah.
[06:22] <dcraven> whyameye_: Probably with a sudo prepended to it.
[06:23] <whyameye_> dcraven: okay, because that isn't happening. I have something broken. Let me investigate and come back if I am confused...
[06:25] <philc1> for backports, should I be using ubuntuforums.org/backports or ubuntuforums.org/udp? what's the difference?
[06:25] <philc1> ubp
[06:26] <dcraven> philc1: I use /backports, but I dunno what ubp is.
[06:26] <philc1> dcraven: thanks
[06:27] <nickrud> dcraven, out of curiosity, just what backports are you using?
[06:28] <dcraven> nickrud: To be honest, I've lost track. I get updates from there every few days it seems that replace my non-backports versions. Firefox and gaim I think are both backports now, among others.
[06:28] <philc1> mono backports =)
[06:28] <philc1> and j2sdk1.5
[06:28] <nickrud> dcraven, hmm, I haven't really looked at it -- mono?
[06:29] <nickrud> lol
[06:29] <dcraven> nickrud: Yeah, and mono.
[06:29] <dcraven> 1.1.7
[06:30] <nickrud> I think, since breezy is closed to me for the moment, I'll stroke my 'next app fix' mania by looking at backports through aptiude.
[06:30] <Cybermagellan> anyone here ever use proftp?
[06:30] <crimsun> the daemon? yes.
[06:31] <Cybermagellan> crimsun, how do you change the directory that your given access to?
[06:31] <dcraven> nickrud: My machine is really a hodge-podge between hoary, breezy, and backports now. I dunno what is from where anymore.
[06:31] <count0nz> dcraven, oh thats evil :)
[06:31] <nickrud> dcraven, learn aptitude, it will tell you all
[06:31] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: the default one, or...?
[06:32] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: have you checked the docs on proftpd's web site?
[06:32] <Cybermagellan> Yeah I wanna change my default directory to /
[06:32] <nickrud> and save your ass from time to tome
[06:32] <Cybermagellan> reading now....
[06:32] <dcraven> nickrud: Well I can tell what is from where one package at a time, but I don't know how to get a list of all backported packages installed for example.
[06:32] <count0nz> aptitude rocks ;)
[06:32] <Cybermagellan> but figured I'd ask
[06:32] <Laforge> Ok does anyone know how to set up a network for cable?
[06:33] <nickrud> dcraven, there's a really useful search ability in aptitude, but I have to relearn it each time i use it.
[06:33] <nali0th> Laforge: plug it in?
[06:33] <Laforge> It is but i don't get internet
[06:34] <Laforge> I have a network driver, and for network all it has is Moden no eth0
[06:34] <nickrud> dcraven, aptitudes's search handling is the only printed document I keep
[06:34] <nali0th> Laforge: is your modem operational?
[06:34] <dcraven> nickrud: heh
[06:34] <timeless_> i installed vlc but i have no sound
[06:34] <Laforge> Yes, but it is set for dial-up
[06:34] <Laforge> i use cox
[06:34] <kestas> does mysql support joint queries?
[06:34] <nali0th> Laforge: you DO have a cable modem, right?
[06:34] <Laforge> Yes
[06:35] <nali0th> Laforge: if you have all cables properly hooked up, you might cycle power on the cable modem.  anything beyond that, i'm lost
[06:36] <Cybermagellan> Laforge, yeah where are you located?
[06:36] <Laforge> Well i think it is something about drivers for my card
[06:36] <Laforge> CA
[06:36] <Cybermagellan> Laforge, I am on Cox Cable
[06:36] <Cybermagellan> in AZ
[06:36] <Laforge> so am i
[06:36] <crimsun> timeless_: pgrep esd
[06:36] <Cybermagellan> What kinda network card do you have?
[06:37] <Laforge> ADMtek
[06:37] <james_> Does LVM come with a performance hit?
[06:37] <Cybermagellan> It has Linux drivers?
[06:38] <Laforge> yea but i don't know how to install
[06:38] <Laforge> it is a .c file
[06:38] <james_> cc file.c -o file
[06:39] <Laforge> http://members.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=334721
[06:39] <Laforge> that is one but when you open the linux folder all there is, is a text fiel
[06:39] <timeless_> anyone knows how to install libddcss
[06:39] <Laforge> file*
[06:39] <thr1ce> join #slackman
[06:39] <thr1ce> oops
[06:39] <timeless_> libdvdcss
[06:39] <nickrud> thr1ce, I though you swore that off :)
[06:40] <thr1ce> haha
[06:40] <thr1ce> i'm on hoary, yes
[06:40] <thr1ce> would like to be running breezy, but.....
[06:40] <_simple> anybody here turn their moms onto ubuntu?
[06:41] <_simple> oO weird question
[06:41] <nickrud> but you can't give up the old stuff, huj?
[06:41] <count0nz> he needs his fix
[06:41] <thr1ce> just trying to get ahold of someone, actually
[06:41] <count0nz> sure sure thats what thay all say
[06:41] <_simple> my mom hits the virus scanner like every day, gets about 20 on average, usually plus that, and her computer runs like shit, on windows, my ram at 512mb would be like a 80% used and now on ubuntu it's at 30% load always and what not
[06:41] <tritium> _simple, actually, yes.  I did.
[06:42] <count0nz> Admit that you have a problem :)
[06:42] <_simple> i've been trying to
[06:42] <_simple> i'm going to slip a fake virus floppy into her comp
[06:42] <timeless_> anyone knows where i can get libdvdcss xine said i need it to play dvds
[06:42] <_simple> and then..like tell her the only way to fix it is go through the live cd :D
[06:42] <crimsun> timeless_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:42] <_simple> to save her hassle.
[06:42] <_simple> she should give me something for this
[06:42] <count0nz> :)
[06:42] <nickrud> lol
[06:42] <Laforge> I found this about tulip driver
[06:42] <Laforge> ftp://ftp.scyld.com/pub/network/tulip.c
[06:42] <Laforge> tulip is the one i need
[06:43] <thr1ce> ick, tulip
[06:43] <thr1ce> I don't like the tulip driver :(
[06:43] <crimsun> Laforge: what's wrong with tulip.ko distributed in Hoary?
[06:43] <Laforge> i don't have it
[06:43] <_simple> i'm such a good son..
[06:43] <Laforge> or don't now where it is
[06:43] <Laforge> or how to load it
[06:43] <Laforge> lol
[06:43] <dcraven> tulip has worked well for me for years.
[06:43] <TheKark> why?
[06:43] <crimsun> sudo modprobe tulip
[06:43] <thr1ce> modprobe tulip
[06:43] <count0nz> _simple, sounds good to me :)
[06:43] <thr1ce> sudo modprobe tulip *
[06:44] <Laforge> for me?
[06:44] <thr1ce> still getting used to sudo :)
[06:44] <crimsun> Laforge: none other than yourself
[06:44] <Laforge> ok
[06:45] <Laforge> so what was that suppose to do?
[06:45] <thr1ce> load the tulip driver
[06:45] <crimsun> Laforge: just return you to a prompt
[06:45] <Laforge> ok it didn't look like it did anything
[06:45] <thr1ce> if it doesn't spit anything back out, it worked
[06:46] <Laforge> ok
[06:46] <Laforge> so now what?
[06:46] <thr1ce> now...use the internet, hopefully
[06:47] <crimsun> configure it. If you're in GNOME, use the Network preference
[06:47] <thr1ce> try to ping a site; if it doesn't work, you must set it up
[06:47] <crimsun> otherwise, edit /etc/network/interfaces, then issue the apprpriate command
[06:48] <_simple> how do i configure gnome bittorrent for certain ports to be linsteded for?
[06:48] <nickrud> Laforge, system->admistration->networking, should get you going
[06:48] <_simple> well what's "url open error (111 "connection refused") meaning?
[06:48] <Laforge> yea i am there looking but all i see is moden in the network list
[06:49] <thr1ce> no ethernet connection?
[06:49] <nickrud> Laforge, are you sure you are using a tulip card?
[06:50] <TheKark> what in the hell is a tulip card?
[06:50] <Laforge> not tulip but ADMtek on google talks all about tulip
[06:50] <TheKark> if anyone mind me asking
[06:50] <drummer87> hey.. i've recently set up samba shares and can view the shares on my XP box... _but_... it looks as if the files are writable, but i'm sure that's not safe as they are on ntfs
[06:50] <thr1ce> TheKark, tulip is a module used for ethernet driver
[06:50] <TheKark> onboard?
[06:50] <nickrud> TheKark, i was using a bit of shorthand, a card that uses the tulip driver
[06:51] <thr1ce> not necessarily
[06:51] <dr_willis> drummer87,  you are accessing 'shares' on a xp machine?
[06:51] <drummer87> is this right? i don't want to try and find out it's not safe.. or haw can i make them ro
[06:51] <drummer87> shared folders
[06:51] <bob2> drummer87: then they're not writable
[06:51] <nickrud> the only card/driver I have any real experience with :)
[06:51] <bob2> drummer87: linux won't mount a ntfs filesystem writable, at all
[06:51] <Laforge> so any idea what i should do?
[06:51] <pikaaa> artgh
[06:51] <pikaaa> i cant boot from cd-rom
[06:51] <thr1ce> dont' write to ntfs...it's a bad choice
[06:51] <dr_willis> drummer87, if they are on a XP box  - then they are written to by the XP os :P and thus should be safe.
[06:51] <pikaaa> is there a way to get into the setup with a floppy
[06:51] <crimsun> Laforge: use the Network config tool in System>Preferences
[06:52] <drummer87> i can view them and when i look at preferences.. it says i own them and have write access??
[06:52] <Laforge> All i see in System>Preferences is network proxy
[06:52] <dr_willis> drummer87,  if its a ntfs 'drive' that is shared by linux .. then Linux is doing the read/writing - and you do NOT want linux to be writing to them.
[06:52] <thr1ce> System->admin
[06:53] <thr1ce> then networking
[06:53] <bob2> drummer87: if you're using samba to share a ntfs partition, it will not be writable
[06:53] <thr1ce> ethernet doesn't show up?
[06:55] <Laforge> no
[06:56] <nickrud> Laforge, as a simple start, lsmod | grep tulip, does it respond with tuilp and some numbers?
[06:56] <Laforge> in terminal?
[06:56] <nickrud> Laforge, yeah
[06:56] <thr1ce> yup
[06:57] <Laforge> so do i type lsmod | grep tulip
[06:57] <_simple> i installed bittornado but can't find it, why is that?
[06:57] <drummer87> so.. can you assure me that when i go to 'smb://XPbox/SharedDocs/' in nautillus i won't be able to write anything? even though the properties say otherwise (755)?
[06:57] <nickrud> Laforge, exactly
[06:57] <thr1ce> lsmod | grep -i tulip
[06:57] <bob2> _simple: dpkg -L bittornado | grep bin
[06:57] <bob2> _simple: it's about 10 little programs
[06:57] <dr_willis> _simple,  i think it will pop up if you try to download a torrent file.
[06:57] <timeless_> anyone knows how to install libdvdcss
[06:57] <bob2> drummer87: why don't you just try it?
[06:57] <nickrud> thr1ce's works too
[06:57] <_simple> nah, gnome is popping up
[06:57] <bob2> timeless_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:57] <timeless_> thanks
[06:58] <_simple> i did that bob2  but nothing
[06:58] <Laforge> ok came back with tulip 46112 0
[06:58] <drummer87> i don't want to mess anything up.. my mum will have my head :)
[06:58] <nali0th> timeless_: ubuntuguide.org
[06:58] <_simple> well nto nothing
[06:58] <thr1ce> that's good; it means the tulip module is successfully loaded
[06:58] <_simple> what is the command to launch it?
[06:58] <_simple> btornado or what
[06:58] <thr1ce> are you srue your network card uses tulip?
[06:58] <nali0th> thr1ce: ya think we need a bot to give out the help URLs, about every 15 minutes? heh
[06:58] <thr1ce> no kidding!
[06:58] <thr1ce> hehe
[06:58] <bob2> _simple: dude, read what I said
[06:59] <TheKark> god bittorrent is starting to blow
[06:59] <bob2> _simple: it's 10 little programs.
[06:59] <_simple> i did read
[06:59] <_simple> and i did what you said
[06:59] <nickrud> what ever happend to lexxan's bot, i thought it might be a keystroke saver
[06:59] <bob2> _simple: and you're not thinking then...those are the programs in the package
[06:59] <_simple> if only it said how to launch bittornado
[06:59] <bob2> _simple: duh, LISTEN
[06:59] <bob2> you don't "launch bittornado"
[06:59] <dcraven> nickrud: It got booted I think.
[06:59] <bob2> it's 10 little programs the do different things
[06:59] <bob2> if you want to download one torrent, use btdownloadcurses
[06:59] <_simple> they aren't showing up.
[07:00] <thr1ce> use python
[07:00] <_simple> oh
[07:00] <Laforge> I am almost 100% sure it uses tulip
[07:00] <_simple> heres an idea for me, go gui.
[07:00] <nickrud> dcraven, yeah, I don't know much about irc, let alone bots, but I am tired of copying and pasting that link and the root sudo link and the binary drivers link
[07:00] <TheKark> azureus
[07:00] <TheKark> or gnome bittorent client
[07:00] <bob2> yay for not trying to figue out things for yourself
[07:00] <_simple> bittornado*
[07:00] <_simple> yeah.
[07:00] <_simple> american way.
[07:01] <dr_willis> http://www.legaltorrents.com/index.htm   - for some legally free torrents :P
[07:01] <_simple> or should i know ti overnight?
[07:01] <bob2> nickrud: fix your irc client so you can do bin<tab> and get it
[07:01] <_simple> that always never works
[07:01] <dcraven> nickrud: Depending on the client, you can make shortcuts pretty easily.
[07:01] <bob2> _simple: did you read the list of programs? or just stare blankly?
[07:01] <bob2> the names are pretty clear.
[07:01] <_simple> i gave it a glance, didn't read a one.
[07:01] <bob2> good on you
[07:01] <dcraven> nickrud: In irssi, I type rootsudo<TAB> and get http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:01] <nickrud> gack, you telling me I need to switch to irssi, and learn something?
[07:01] <_simple> i'm sure it isn't difficult at all
[07:01] <bob2> nickrud: I'm sure xchat can do completion, too
[07:02] <timeless_> /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh this command doesn't work
[07:02] <_simple> only i've been using bittornado gui for awihle, and that's how i like using it
[07:02] <_simple> dear me.
[07:02] <bob2> timeless_: did you read the wiki page?
[07:02] <timeless_> it says no binary deb availbel
[07:02] <thr1ce> ok...i'm off to bed
[07:02] <dcraven> nickrud: Like bob said, I don't think irssi is revolutionary in that respect.
[07:02] <timeless_> yeah
[07:02] <thr1ce> good night all
[07:02] <timeless_> i sayed to run that sript
[07:02] <timeless_> script
[07:03] <nickrud> huh, I'm clueless here, so I'll go read or experiment, or someting
[07:03] <timeless_> bob u there
[07:04] <philc1> there are many automakes in synaptic; how do I chose which one to use when building from the CLI?
[07:04] <bob2> philc1: depends what you want to do with it
[07:04] <philc1> bob2: I want to run .configure using automake-1.9
[07:04] <bob2> philc1: you don't use automake when you run ./configure
[07:04] <_simple> | error(s):[01:04:46]  Problem connecting to tracker - <urlopen error (111, 'Co |
[07:05] <bob2> philc1: you don't need automake installed at all to do that
[07:05] <_simple> bob2: using the non gui just for you
[07:05] <philc1> bob2: I mean autogen
[07:05] <_simple> so the torrent ubuntu offers for the ubuntu dvd isn't working?
[07:05] <_simple> or up.
[07:05] <bob2> apparently so
[07:05] <_simple> how useful
[07:05] <bob2> yeah
[07:05] <bob2> they took it down just to annoy you
[07:05] <_simple> no so i would annoy you about it
[07:05] <nali0th> what does "automake" do?
[07:06] <bob2> the admins have been notified, they'll fix it when they have time
[07:06] <_simple> indeed
[07:06] <bob2> philc1: depends which version the software expects.
[07:06] <_simple> thanks for the help bastard :p
[07:06] <bob2> philc1: automake1.5 is the safest, iirc
[07:06] <bob2> _simple: you're such a pleasure to help, too
[07:06] <dcraven> Feel the love.
[07:06] <nickrud> I can, I can
[07:06] <mpm> g14: : thanks for the help before with the gnome-volume-manager; I'm enjoying learning and using xfce right now; it helps to be able to do everything without relogging :-)
[07:07] <bob2> nali0th: it lets you write software makefiles as skeletons describing just how you want to build your software
[07:07] <philc1> bob2: is there no way to arbitrarily set which automake you want to use? in gentoo you set the nv var WANT_AUTOMAKE=1.8 for example
[07:07] <_simple> feel it all over me please
[07:07] <_simple> i'll give out nickels
[07:07] <bob2> nali0th: then it converts them into ones 100 times longer that do all sorts of neat standard stuff
[07:07] <bob2> philc1: I don't know what you mean.  you can trivially install whichever one you want, and use whichever you like.
[07:07] <bob2> I'm not sure why gentoo would make you use one
[07:08] <kakalto> One thing I like about ubuntu is the originality.
[07:08] <kakalto> I have got 5 different errors on the same program so far...
[07:08] <psychonate|trave> lol
[07:08] <bob2> kakalto: have you filed a bug?
[07:08] <daniels> philc1: export AUTOMAKE=automake-1.8; export ACLOCAL=aclocal-1.8
[07:08] <kakalto> bob2, no
[07:08] <philc1> daniels: thanks
[07:08] <kakalto> bob2, it's my issue
[07:08] <daniels> bob2: he's talking about when using the automake wrapper with multiple versions installed
[07:08] <bob2> oh
[07:08] <daniels> gentoo has the mandrake wrapper
[07:08] <bob2> ah
[07:09] <kakalto> huh?
[07:09] <nali0th> bob2 ah, i stand mesmerized (iow, i havnt a clue....but i asked)
[07:09] <bob2> hah
[07:09] <bob2> nali0th: next time you compile something, glance at how long the Makefile.am is compared to the Makefile.in, that's what automake did
[07:10] <nali0th> bob2 ok will do
[07:11] <Laforge> that is my only problem, setting up ethernet
[07:12] <thechitowncubs> +1 people on Ubuntu (dad is converted)
[07:12] <philc1> daniels: this doesn't seem right: export AUTOMAKE=automake-1.7 && export ACLOCAL=aclocal-1.7 && automake --version
[07:12] <philc1> automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p6
[07:13] <thechitowncubs> thats 5/6 comps converted to ubuntu (the sixth one won't be converted,scanner issues, windows only programs, etc :/
[07:13] <nickrud> I working on mine
[07:14] <dcraven> I don't even have automake 1.4 installed.
[07:14] <dcraven> All others though.
[07:15] <nali0th> thechitowncubs: yes, i'm at a friends house converting him
[07:15] <Laforge> ... man i want to get this to work
[07:15] <daniels> philc1: right.  those variables change the behaviour of autoreconf, not automake.  use update-alternatives to configure the behaviour of automake.
[07:16] <dcraven> I've condemned all of my friends to an unopposed life of Windows useage.
[07:16] <philc1> daniels: will look into. thanks
[07:17] <nickrud> dcraven, that is the height of tolerance, you have my kudos :)
[07:18] <dcraven> nickrud: My friends and family phone me enough now because they can't print... I can't imagine what it would be like if I tried to install Linux for them.
[07:19] <nickrud> dcraven, that's the dark side of allowing people to use windows, it's easy
[07:19] <Laforge> So if i activate the modem, i don't have to input info for dial up and such?
[07:19] <dcraven> nickrud: They all have a Linux LiveCD though for when their machines become too slow to use properly, or if their setups get b0rked somehow.
[07:20] <dcraven> nickrud: Everyone they know uses it, and it's all they've ever seen. The easiness is questionable I think.
[07:21] <arnav> ubuntu is a good distro
[07:21] <dcraven> nickrud: I find it quite frustrating in comparison personally.
[07:21] <arnav> but linux sucks overall
[07:21] <jasoncohen> ubuntu supports ntfs partitions by default right? Neither Ubuntu or the Debian sarge installer allow you to choose ntfs in the install process but with debian at least i was able to simply add an entry in fstab
[07:21] <jasoncohen> can i do the same in ubuntu?
[07:21] <dcraven> arnav: To each their own.
[07:21] <nickrud> dcraven, it's easy, because we can point them at somebody else. Being someone's sysadmin can be a pain
[07:21] <Acer> About how long can I expect it will take before I get my ubuntu CDs?
[07:21] <dcraven> nickrud: Easier for me, yes. But I don't think easy in general. Certainly not easy on my nerves.
[07:23] <JDahl> dcraven, it would be easy... you ssh to their box and fix the problem
[07:23] <JDahl> dcraven, I hate nothing more than when father calls me about some obscure problem in Excel (I havent used Windows since 98, but somehow he trusts my knowledge on the matters to be infinte)
[07:23] <nickrud> dcraven, yeah, I get the calls, and for me it is a real pain because since I've been doing this for a long time, people assume I know their issues. Like I said, the dark side calls :)
[07:23] <bob2> arnav: #lame-trolling, kthx
[07:23] <bob2> jasoncohen: sure
[07:23] <bob2> jasoncohen: putting it in the installer is kinda silly, since you can't do anything with them but read them
[07:24] <dcraven> JDahl: I've thought of the ssh thing, but I don't think it's really practical. If I wanted to be a system admin, I'd apply for a job.
[07:24] <Laforge> Does anyone know how to set up an ethernet connection
[07:25] <jasoncohen> bob2, so, why should you have to edit the fstab immediately after booting if you could do it easily from the installer?
[07:25] <jasoncohen> just inform the user in the installer that NTFS is read only
[07:25] <bob2> jasoncohen: it should detect it automatically and add them to fstab for you without asking
[07:25] <dcraven> JDahl: As for the point about Excell problems and the like, I feel your pain. "So you've been taking computer science for 4 years and you don't know how to install a printer?"... Geez.
[07:26] <Acer> [01:27:51]  [Acer] : About how long can I expect it will take before I get my ubuntu CDs?
[07:26] <jasoncohen> btw, does ubuntu download security updates in second stage install? it seemed to have semi-up to date packages
[07:26] <bob2> Acer: no need to repeat, when did you order?
[07:26] <dcraven> Acer: I'm guessing nobody knows.
[07:27] <Acer> Today.
[07:27] <TheKark> hey, anyone have grub freeze at Grub Loading Please Wait?
[07:27] <bob2> then weeks
[07:27] <nickrud> Acer, mine took 8 weeks, for hoary
[07:27] <Acer> whoa tricc.
[07:27] <Acer> alright.
[07:27] <bob2> it should not take that long
[07:27] <dcraven> Acer: I ordered mine a few days prior to release, and still waiting.
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> Hey guys, how can i take a screenshot of a movie playing?
[07:28] <Acer> How long ago was the release? I just recently started looking into ubuntu...
[07:28] <nickrud> I couldn't figure out who would send me a package from switzerland, it took so long
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> In mPlayer
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> mplayer*
[07:28] <dcraven> Acer: I can't remember.. A month maybe?
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> when i try to print screen it is only blue
[07:28] <bob2> Acer: beginning of april
[07:28] <Acer> Ah, ok
[07:29] <bob2> thechitowncubs: what are you trying to do?
[07:29] <dcraven> Acer: Yeah.. I think it was the 10th.
[07:29] <JDahl> dcraven, my point is just this: being a remote problem fixer for someone using windows isnt necessarily easy - at least I find it hard
[07:29] <bob2> ie mplayer can just output pngs for you
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> Take a screenshot of a movie playing
[07:29] <geneo93> april 8 it was released
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> is there a way to do it from the GUI or via a keyboard shortcut?
[07:29] <Acer> So I might as well just download it then... What are the advantages to having a shipped CD over just downloading it?
[07:30] <Acer> Other than distributing it
[07:30] <bob2> daniels: is there any terrible hack to capture xvideo areas in a screenshot?
[07:30] <dcraven> JDahl: Yeah, it sucks.
[07:30] <bob2> Acer: nicely packaged and pressed
[07:30] <daniels> bob2: hmm, it should work
[07:30] <Acer> Ok
[07:30] <Acer> I think I'm going to go into work on monday and download / burn hoary
[07:30] <jasoncohen> the account created in the install process is askin to the root account in other distros?
[07:30] <Acer> and toss it on one of my linux boxes
[07:30] <jasoncohen> why can't you setup a non-administrative account?
[07:31] <dcraven> jasoncohen: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:31] <Acer> Thanks guys.
[07:31] <bob2> jasoncohen: of course you can, it told you all about this during the install\
[07:31] <jasoncohen> thanks
[07:31] <dcraven> jasoncohen: make another user, it is non-admin.
[07:31] <mpm> I have a friend that's super worried that if he enters IRC he might catch some virus or something (he's on windows) is there really a significant threat of invasion/hacking via irc??
[07:31] <daniels> bob2: hm no, turns up as colourkey
[07:31] <daniels> bob2: not that I'm aware of, sorry
[07:32] <dcraven> mpm: If he has the balls to go on the internet with a Windows box, he might as well go on IRC too.
[07:33] <nickrud> mpm, dcraven lol
[07:33] <dcraven> mpm: Tell him he's probably already infected, so he has little to lose.
[07:34] <JDahl> mpm, it depends alot on what IRC channels he goes to. If he goes to warez channels the chance is very real
[07:34] <mpm> he's seriously not really a newb though, he's the type to be behind multiple firewalls and flash his router firmware weekly
[07:34] <mpm> JDahl: good point
[07:34] <nickrud> dcraven, be carefull the darkside is present :)
[07:35] <kestas> mpm why would you need to be behind multiple firewalls?
[07:35] <kestas> seems a bit superfluous
[07:35] <dcraven> kestas: Sounds cool?
[07:35] <mpm> need?  I don't know;
[07:35] <kestas> haha yes theres always that
[07:36] <mpm> lol
[07:37] <rj`> I need some help -- I have 2 harddrives -- 1 harddrive contains my ubuntu installation -- the other is a 40gig harddrive -- i went to transfer the entire harddrive to the new 40 gig (im replacing it) are there any tools for this?
[07:37] <jasoncohen> is ubuntu going to patch firefox so that it can download extensions?
[07:38] <dcraven> rj`: cp -a? That might work.
[07:38] <dr_willis> Hmm.. I have been downloading extensions with my firefox
[07:38] <crimsun> add -p, too
[07:38] <dcraven> rj`: I'd have someone confirm that though...
[07:39] <crimsun> though I'd use tar with shell redirection
[07:39] <jasoncohen> dr_willis, how?
[07:39] <dcraven> crimsun: I think -a includes -p.
[07:39] <rj`> thanks
[07:39] <jasoncohen> dr_willis, i just tried with an updated firefox in ubuntu and it complains i need to upgrade to 1.0.4
[07:39] <crimsun> dcraven: yep
[07:39] <rama> totem-xine installation still wouldn't play mp3. what could be wrong?
[07:40] <nickrud> isn't there a howto on upgrading a drive?
[07:40] <seth> Are there any programs out there that allow scanning of NetBIOS across a network?
[07:40] <dr_willis> jasoncohen,  im useing the extensions I loaded befor perhaps.. lets see if i can install any NEW extensions
[07:40] <rexykik> can anyone help me out?
[07:40] <kestas> rj`: do you have only one partition?
[07:40] <dcraven> I'm out.. Later all.
[07:40] <kestas> rj`: youll need to copy all of it over to 1 partition, making sure you have a swap partition, and then reinstall grub
[07:41] <kestas> later dcraven
[07:41] <dr_willis> jasoncohen,  yep - that seems to be the case. its useing the old extensions and complaing about the new version also - lol
[07:41] <kestas> seth: nmblookup?
[07:41] <kestas> Places>Network servers anyway
[07:42] <rexykik> I just installed Kubuntu and some of my packages are corrupted...the Kcontrol package, which obviously holds a good deal of weight under KDE, seeing as many things have dependencies on it. I want to fix it, but apt-get isnt working, so I was told I need to delete all the partials from my partial directory and then apt-get update apt-get install...which directory is the partials directory?
[07:42] <nomasteryoda> nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 ?
[07:42] <kestas> what do you mean corrupted?
[07:42] <seth> rexykik, ask in #kubuntu
[07:43] <nickrud> rj`, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/ , it's old school, but still works
[07:43] <rexykik> says when i apt-get upgrade that the kcontrol tarball is corrupted
[07:43] <seth> rexykik, ask questions about Kubuntu in #kubuntu.
[07:43] <rexykik> thanks
[07:43] <rexykik> i'm going
[07:44] <rama> for mplayer is there a special repository?
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> nickrud: heh I just stick it in the storage server :)
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> keep this machine on a paltry 40gb
[07:45] <Laforge> i will be back later with my problem when more people are online
[07:46] <jasoncohen> dr_willis, the extension problem is known. Mandrake just included a patch to fix it. The only solution right now is to use 1.0.4 which is what i did on my debian box
[07:47] <jasoncohen> unstable had 1.0.4 a day after it was released i believe
[07:47] <nickrud> HrdwrBoB, I've been running on 2 disks, 15 &30 GB for a while. Get's interesting, sometimes
[07:47] <HrdwrBoB> ouch
[07:47] <nickrud> I like challenges
[07:47] <HrdwrBoB> I have 200gb,20gb,40gb,40gb,80gb,120gb,120gb disks
[07:48] <HrdwrBoB> so all up... a lot of storage
[07:48] <nickrud> plus I'm obviously a lot cheaper than you :)
[07:48] <jasoncohen> hmm, i never thought i would actually like gnome
[07:48] <jasoncohen> but gnome 2.10 on ubuntu is very nice
[07:48] <johndal> hi there
[07:48] <jasoncohen> HrdwrBoB, i have a 80 GB, a 160 GB, a 160 GB, a 160 GB
[07:48] <nickrud> but, it's time for a change, I'm finally gonna get another machine
[07:49] <johndal> Im havina a problem
[07:49] <jasoncohen> a 425 GB LVM for mythtv, and the rest for the OS
[07:49] <johndal> could you please help me _
[07:50] <nickrud> The only real downside, I have to actually learn about lvm and friends
[07:51] <jasoncohen> if ubuntu did automatically mount my windows partition where would it be located?
[07:51] <jasoncohen>  /mnt ?
[07:52] <nickrud> jason_, mount as a command in a terminal will tell you what is automatically mounted
[07:53] <saber_> if you type "fdisk -l" it will list the available partitions on the system
[07:53] <nickrud> heh, jasoncohen ^^
[07:53] <jasoncohen> as i suspected, it wasn't mounted
[07:53] <zaydana> hey... what packages should i install to start dev work?
[07:54] <zaydana> or is there a FAQ about it somewhere?
[07:54] <zaydana> i'm thinking anjuta, g++, etc
[07:54] <saber_> well, it depends. what will you be developing? :)
[07:54] <zaydana> games
[07:54] <kestas> in what?
[07:54] <nickrud> zaydana, build-esential gets you the basics
[07:54] <zaydana> c++
[07:54] <kestas> 3d or non-3d?
[07:54] <zaydana> i use clanlib (www.clanlib.org) so i'm gonna need to compile that for myself
[07:54] <zaydana> well, both
[07:54] <zaydana> but I use openGL
[07:55] <zaydana> i've already got the fglrx-dev package
[07:55] <zaydana> anything after build-essential?
[07:55] <moist> /back
[07:56] <bigfoot> hi. in windows OS, to select multiple items, you can hold down CTRLwhile clicking the desired items. How do we do this in Ubuntu/Linux?
[07:56] <moist> whats the command to reverse the /away command
[07:56] <linuxamoeba21> bigfoot: same way
[07:56] <nickrud> bigfoot, the same
[07:57] <bigfoot> linuxamoeba21, nickrud, it does not work for me.
[07:57] <nickrud> eh
[07:57] <linuxamoeba21> im trying to install the amarok music player, which i can do fine from the ubuntu packages, but there are no ubuntu packages for the engine plugins!
[07:58] <bigfoot> however, selecting a range of items using Shift works
[07:58] <linuxamoeba21> (so i can't play mp3s)
[07:58] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: (in universe)
[07:58] <nickrud> bigfoot, all I can say is I did it today
[07:58] <linuxamoeba21> found it but dependencies fail
[07:59] <crimsun> on?
[07:59] <linuxamoeba21> amarok-engines:
[07:59] <linuxamoeba21>   Depends: amarok (=1.2.3-1) but 2:1.2.3-1ubuntu4 is to be installed
[07:59] <linuxamoeba21>  Depends: amarok-gstreamer but it is not going to be installed
[07:59] <linuxamoeba21>  Depends: amarok-xine but it is not going to be installed
[07:59] <bigfoot> when I use CTRL, and then press and hold mouse button, it drags the window
[07:59] <bob2> linuxamoeba21: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[07:59] <linuxamoeba21> ...?
[08:00] <bob2> which part of that confused you?
[08:00] <w0wie> i gots a quarm, my util-linux package is installed but /sbin/getty seems not to be in /sbin nor is hwclock, any ideas how i can get these installed
[08:00] <linuxamoeba21> nevermind
[08:00] <bigfoot> Holding CTRL and then pressing mouse turns the mouse arrow into  a plus sign, and it functions as a dragger/move window.
[08:00] <zaydana> rj...
[08:00] <zaydana> do i know you?
[08:01] <bob2> w0wie: what has happened to your disk?
[08:01] <jasoncohen> how do i set filepermissions on a read-only ntfs partition?
[08:01] <rj`> zaydana: ?
[08:01] <jasoncohen> i want users to be able to access it
[08:01] <nickrud> bigfoot, what machine are you running on, the alt key does the move window thing for me
[08:01] <zaydana> nm, i know somebody called rj on anoher network
[08:01] <bob2> jasoncohen: same as with any other non-unix filesystem, with mount options.  umask=002 is probably what you want
[08:01] <w0wie> bob2: i installed libc6 breezy by accident, so i updated to breezy which decided to rid me of it
[08:02] <linuxamoeba21> its there
[08:02] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: you don't have universe enabled
[08:02] <bigfoot> nickrud, i'm running a pentium type of PC.
[08:02] <bob2> w0wie: file a bug if no one else has, I guess
[08:02] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: and why do you have sarge listed?
[08:02] <bob2> breezy = you get to keep the pieces
[08:02] <zaydana> lmao
[08:02] <w0wie> hehe
[08:02] <zaydana> now i look at the nicklist "rj-away_" is the same person i know fmo the other server
[08:02] <jasoncohen> bob2, thanks
[08:02] <zaydana> tis a small world
[08:03] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: uh... dont remember. its late.
[08:03] <nickrud> bigfoot, hang around, and ask again, there's a control for that, I just don't remember it
[08:03] <linuxamoeba21> how do i do the universe thing? i thought i had it but i reinstalled recently
[08:03] <ivoks> for what?
[08:03] <bigfoot> nickrud,  maybe i somehow changed the default setting, but if so, i don't  remember what i did.
[08:04] <ivoks> bigfoot: what's the problem?
[08:05] <nickrud> ivoks, bigfoot is having problems with control selecting files in nautilus, it's moving windows, instead of selecting files
[08:05] <ivoks> huh
[08:05] <nickrud> heh, not a clear exposition, on rereading
[08:06] <nickrud> bigfoot, please repeat
[08:06] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: Synaptic>Settings>Repositories
[08:07] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: i added deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[08:07] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: eeek
[08:07] <linuxamoeba21> per the ubuntu website
[08:07] <ivoks> why does everybody uses that?
[08:07] <ivoks> linuxamoeba21: which site?
[08:07] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:07] <bigfoot> ivoks, In windows, to select multiple items, one holds down the CTRL button while selecting the desired items. I can't get the same effect in Ubuntu. Perhaps I made some changes on one sleepy night and I don't know how to undo it. The ALT function (to select a range of items) works fine, though.
[08:08] <Burgundavia> bigfoot, you running breezy?
[08:08] <ivoks> bigfoot: alt? range? shift is for range
[08:08] <bigfoot> Burgundavia, nope. i'm running hoary 5.04
[08:08] <Burgundavia> bigfoot, ok, just wondering
[08:08] <tennlaw207> later
[08:08] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: so whats the real repository im supposed to add?
[08:09] <bigfoot> ivoks, you're right. I meant Shift.
[08:09] <bigfoot> Shift works fine for range.
[08:09] <ivoks> bigfoot: so, insted selecting file, it moves you window?
[08:09] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: Ubuntu's "real" universe.
[08:09] <bigfoot> ivoks, yes.
[08:09] <linuxamoeba21> ...
[08:09] <linuxamoeba21> where>
[08:09] <ivoks> bigfoot: system -> pref -> windows
[08:09] <ivoks> bigfoot: choose another key for moving windows
[08:09] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: deb http://CC.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe
[08:10] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: (CC being country code)
[08:10] <ivoks> bigfoot: alt, for example
[08:10] <linuxamoeba21> roxx
[08:11] <ferchO> hi... anyone know of a way to run microsoft office 2003 on ubuntu.. i think crossover office doesnt work with office 2003
[08:12] <Burgundavia> ferchO, is OpenOffice not good enough?
[08:13] <bigfoot> ivoks, it works! I made my "Windows" key the key for moving windows. Do you recommend using the Windows Key this way?
[08:13] <bigfoot> How do you use the Windows Key?
[08:13] <bigfoot> By the way, I am using a Japanese (106 key) keyboard. Is there a way I could make use of the other special keys?
[08:13] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: success! many cool points are bestowed upon thee
[08:14] <ivoks> i use windows key for some window actions, like win+q, win+s, win+w, win+a, win+m, but that's me...
[08:14] <nickrud> hmm, I can't see the terminal in there
[08:14] <ivoks> time to go...
[08:14] <ivoks> bye all
[08:14] <crimsun> cya
[08:14] <linuxamoeba21> thanks very much. later all
[08:15] <bigfoot> ivoks, thank you!
[08:15] <ivoks> np
[08:16] <rj`> i cant switch to virtual consoles with my logitech multimedia keyboard -- any ideas?
[08:16] <rj`> ctrl+alt f1 dosnt work
[08:16] <rj`> but works fine in other workstations running ubuntu
[08:16] <Tritis> Push your flock key
[08:16] <ferchO> Burgundavia i read on their page that crossover wont run office 2003
[08:16] <Tritis> F-Lock
[08:16] <rj`> oh
[08:16] <rj`> thank you!
[08:17] <Tritis> rj`: you're welcome.  You should also be able to map the F-Alternate keys to stuff using the Keyboard Shortcuts menu
[08:17] <rj`> Tritis: thank's good tip!
[08:17] <Burgundavia> ferchO, Try openoffice, and if that doesn't work, then try office 2003 under crossover. I remember reading something about it too
[08:19] <ferchO> i dont like openoffice
[08:20] <ferchO> its too slow
[08:20] <jasoncohen> i really like the gnome desktop environment that ubuntu uses. It's very slick
[08:20] <jasoncohen> and i've been using KDE for a year and a half
[08:20] <nickrud> I'd like to learn a bit about using irc more effectively, cane some one point me to a useful url?
[08:20] <crimsun> irchelp.org
[08:21] <jasoncohen> ubuntu seems to have all the advantages of debian w/ security updates and a much better default gnome interface
[08:21] <nickrud> umm, more along the lines of getting the most out of particular clients
[08:22] <jasoncohen> nickrud, what client are you using currently?
[08:22] <nickrud> xchat, but I'm willing to learn something better
[08:22] <blackM00RE>  i have a problem : when using wvdial it says NO DIALTONE <> how can i stop wvdial looking for DIALTONE and get it to dial straightly ? same goes for all the other dialers
[08:22] <nevyn> atX3 :)
[08:22] <sunburnt> what version of ubuntu is the freeby they snail mail, HD install or Live CD?
[08:23] <nickrud> nevyn, me?
[08:23] <nevyn> no blackM00RE
[08:23] <crimsun> sunburnt: both
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> sunburnt. x86 live and install, ppc and EM64T/AMD64 install
[08:23] <sunburnt> The DVD?
[08:23] <blackM00RE> nevyn > i mean the other dialers reports the same error that no DIALTONE FOUND
[08:23] <nevyn> right.
[08:24] <nevyn> put X3 in your modem initialisation string.
[08:24] <blackM00RE> how do i stop the dialers looking for dialtones ?
[08:24] <blackM00RE> where nevyn ? can u show me the whole string ?
[08:24] <nevyn> at&fX3
[08:25] <blackM00RE> ok ill try and then get back to you ..
[08:25] <blackM00RE> thanks nevyn
[08:25] <sunburnt> crimsun - Kamping_Kaiser: They mail the DVD?
[08:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont know
[08:26] <jasoncohen> is there a w32codec package for ubuntu- for windows media and quicktime formats?
[08:26] <Burgundavia> sunburnt, no
[08:26] <Burgundavia> jason_, in hoary-extras, as part of the ubuntuforums.org backports porject
[08:26] <jasoncohen> ok
[08:26] <jasoncohen> i think i hadn't added that source when i searched the last time
[08:27] <Burgundavia> nickrud, docs on what?
[08:27] <Burgundavia> jason_, you can drop marillat when you switch to that
[08:27] <nickrud> Burgundavia, docs that tell me, with no effort on my part, how to irc better :0
[08:27] <sunburnt> The Ubuntu versions offered are based on processor type & nothing's said about Live or HD.
[08:28] <sunburnt> There's no way to tell them what you want!
[08:28] <count0nz> sunburnt, the ship-ip cd's you get are both
[08:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> using shipit.
[08:28] <Burgundavia> sunburnt, you get both
[08:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> if using x86
[08:29] <Burgundavia> you get both for all archs
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> have they changed the system?
[08:29] <Burgundavia> as Ubuntu has live cds for all 3 arches
[08:29] <sunburnt> OH! ... DUH!   I'm just catching up here, sorry about that!
[08:29] <nickrud> count0nz, what docs are you working on?
[08:29] <Burgundavia> they added amd64 and ppc live for hoary
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> you didnt get live on ppc/amd/em64t for warty
[08:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah
[08:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> ta, thanks
[08:30] <count0nz> nickrud, mail server with av scanning imap, pop3 fetchmail
[08:30] <blackM00RE> another probelm : when i login(mine is autologin to a user) then it says HUL Error ? i resintalled HUL but still same thing happens. WHat to do ?
[08:30] <seth> Hey guys, what bit torrent client do you all use?
[08:31] <count0nz> seth, useing Azureus here just seems (pretty to me)
[08:31] <sunburnt> Does anyone know if the Terminal Server works with the HD install, Knoppix & Kanotix both break the term. server on HD.
[08:31] <nickrud> count0nz, good ones, imap and ldap for evo I maybe can contribute
[08:32] <tga> btdownloadcurses in screen is teh rules
[08:32] <count0nz> nickrud, np :) it will we a wiki page so anyone can add to it
[08:32] <seth> THe thing is, I need a GUI. I can work from CLI, but I prefer to have a GUI.
[08:33] <infie> can anyone recommend a nice firewall for my ubuntu machine which is sharing an internet connnection for a LAN?
[08:33] <nickrud> count0nz, I like having my contacts and mail separate from my home, I can kill things left and right and not lose anything important
[08:33] <jasoncohen> that's interesting. ubuntu has openoffice 2 even though debian does not
[08:33] <tga> you don't "work" a torrent sith, you just fire and forget
[08:33] <count0nz> nickrud, just have to sit down and start working on the server and geting things planed out nicely
[08:33] <infie> or is iptables in startup script ok nowadays?
[08:33] <count0nz> nickrud, same
[08:34] <infie> is there a "standard" ubuntu firewall thingummy?
[08:34] <count0nz> nickrud, you mean mailspool ? or mail on a seperate server?
[08:34] <Burgundavia> infie, I would try firestarter
[08:34] <infie> ta
[08:34] <Burgundavia> infie, it will configure iptables for you
[08:34] <liable> infie: have a look at firestarter or guarddog
[08:34] <nickrud> infie, shorewall is in main, which means it gets security support, firestarter is available and works
[08:35] <sunburnt> ANYONE....... Does Terminal Server work in the HD install of Ubuntu?   Or does no one use it?
[08:35] <peaceyall`> hey
[08:36] <nickrud> count0nz, i keep my mail in a Maildir in a separate partition, and use courier and procmail to drop mail there.
[08:36] <seth> sunburnt, yes it does.
[08:36] <count0nz> nickrud, i am not the best person in the world at writeing docs i just thourt theres no docs and if i use a wiki page people can help make it better
[08:36] <seth> sunburnt, I use it to get into my Win32 machine from work and at school.
[08:36] <count0nz> kewl :) ok sounds good when i start the wiki i'll tell you
[08:36] <sunburnt> seth: your sure?     Knoppix & Kanotix haven't fixed the problem yet, even in latest releases.
[08:36] <nickrud> count0nz, k
[08:37] <peaceyall`> when i close the lid on my laptop, it goes to hibernation mode , how can i stop that form happening
[08:37] <peaceyall`> ?
[08:37] <count0nz> going out :) (nooooooo)
[08:37] <seth> sunburnt, yes, I'm sure. Hell, I'm connected to my Win32 machine right now through the terminal server.
[08:37] <liable> peaceyall`: look in /etc/acpi/events, and change the lid one
[08:37] <peaceyall`> ok
[08:37] <peaceyall`> thanx
[08:37] <seth> I'm going to watch Kung Fu Hustle though, so I'm out guys, Later.
[08:37] <rixth> Is there any extension which would allow one to watch emnedded .wmvs?
[08:38] <sunburnt> seth: sorry,  just making sure as I've waisted a lot of time on the other Linuxes.
[08:39] <blackM00RE> another probelm : when i login(mine is autologin to a user) then it says HUL Error ? i resintalled HUL but still same thing happens. WHat to do ?
[08:41] <tnlaw2> my bitch
[08:41] <nickrud> rixth, I use mozilla-mplayer, it plays most everything I point it at in epiphany
[08:41] <tnlaw2> was it nice?
[08:42] <tnlaw2> i need help i have wheeler wireless
[08:42] <tnlaw2> how do you install the sue extractor?
[08:43] <rixth> nickrud, thanks, I'll take a look.
[08:43] <nickrud> rixth, there are things it fails on, but not many
[08:45] <saber_> i can't believe there are so many people here on a friday night
[08:45] <saber_> heh.. i can't believe i'm here
[08:45] <liable> saber_: saturday arvo here :)
[08:45] <blackM00RE> Help me : when i login(mine is autologin to a user) then it says HUL Error ? i resintalled HUL but still same thing happens. WHat to do ?
[08:46] <saber_> saturday is not too far off here, liable :)
[08:47] <nickrud> blackM00RE, could you post the complete error message to pastebin.com
[08:47] <blackM00RE> nickrud no erro message <> only a popup window saying HUL Erro and red cross logo with it
[08:49] <nickrud> huh, HUL error is greek to me, maybe you can log into a console, to a tail -f /var/log/messages, and get more info there
[08:49] <liable> apt-get update, apt-get -f install?
[08:49] <nickrud> blackM00RE, I mean set that up, then try logging in again
[08:49] <liable> oops
[08:49] <blackM00RE> ok nickrud
[08:51] <edwin> what is the default root password?
[08:51] <edwin> ubuntu setup didn't ask me for any root password
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> your passworde
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> *password
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> there is no root password.
[08:51] <IIIEars> edwin - Ubuntu has the root password disabled by default. it uses the sudo model
[08:52] <nickrud> edwin, there is no root password, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:52] <elric> hello I am about to install ubuntu but I have a question... are rtl8139a nics supported out of the box?
[08:52] <nalioth> elric: yes they are
[08:53] <IIIEars> YES! - they work great!
[08:53] <elric> nalioth, thanks
[08:53] <nickrud> damn, I should be count brass
[08:53] <nalioth> elric: those nics are like roaches
[08:53] <IIIEars> "roaches"?
[08:53] <nalioth> elric: the chipsets are in everything (it seems)
[08:53] <IIIEars> oh
[08:53] <peaceyall`> would it screw up my system if i delete /etc/acpi/lid.sh to stop hibernation on closing my lid?
[08:53] <fortran01> I am in a dialup. Is there some way to speed apt?
[08:54] <elric> yes, cheap cards... sort of decent for home use.
[08:54] <Boohbah> fortran01: give it a nice swift kick
[08:54] <nalioth> fortran01: get another account with your ISP and a modem that "shotguns"
[08:54] <peaceyall`> fortran01 unless u know a dsl proxy then no
[08:54] <nickrud> fortran01, no, you need a script to download overnight
[08:54] <IIIEars> fortran - there are CDs available by mail at no cost
[08:54] <IIIEars> there is an "Add Ons" CD also
[08:54] <nickrud> fortran01, apt-get --download-only
[08:55] <nalioth> elric: they may be cheap, but i've never had a bit of trouble with em
[08:55] <fortran01> CDs with the apt repository?
[08:55] <Boohbah> how exactly is the root login disabled, through PAM config?
[08:55] <IIIEars> Quite a few apps for Ubuntu yes
[08:55] <nickrud> Boohbah, you can add one, sudo passwd root
[08:55] <nate_> can anyone tell me how to stop my HD from spinning down after 5 secs on my laptop???
[08:56] <nate_> while running on batteries?
[08:56] <fortran01> if I use synaptic, and after clicking some stuff, are they downloaded to some repository in my local hard disk?
[08:56] <IIIEars> There is a way to make your system less secure by using the old fashioned root model also. - edit two files
[08:57] <nalioth> fortran01: yes to /var/cache/apt/
[08:57] <IIIEars> Obviously, - I am kinda partial to sudo - grin
[08:57] <billytwowilly> fortran01: if you select install and the download screen pops up then yes... Then they are installed, then the debs are deleted
[08:57] <nalioth> IIIEars: i thought the easy way to make your sys insecure was brought to you by microsloth
[08:57] <Boohbah> nickrud: so if you give root a passwd you can actually login as root? because the wiki says root login disabled
[08:57] <nalioth> billytwowilly: really? my debs are cached where i just wrote
[08:58] <nickrud> Boohbah, yeah, but instead of giving root a password, use sudo -i
[08:58] <IIIEars> lol - Install, Connect, Reinstall - lol
[08:58] <fortran01> nalioth: if I stop at the middle of the download, can I continue, or start from the beginning?
[08:58] <edwin> how do i use the apt? where can i get some article on it?
[08:58] <billytwowilly> mine aren't.
[08:58] <billytwowilly> edwin: man apt
[08:58] <nickrud> Boohbah, it's linux, you can do what you want, ubuntu has just selected a particular security model
[08:58] <nalioth> fortran01: it will p/u where you left off
[08:59] <nalioth> edwin: easy way: synaptic (a program)
[08:59] <fortran01> p/u?
[09:00] <nalioth> fortran01: p/u Pick Up
[09:00] <IIIEars> Ubuntu unlike many other distributions doesn't "Lock" you into anything. Suse and Linspire come to mind.
[09:00] <nickrud> Boohbah, it that sounded disjointed sorry.  I use sudo, because it's another security layer. If you really want a root password, sudo passwd root will allow you to set one
[09:01] <billytwowilly> IIIEars: how does suse lock you in?
[09:01] <nalioth> Boohbah: i like sudo cuz it keeps the spontaneous reinstalls down to a minimum
[09:01] <infie> I installed firestarter...
[09:01] <fortran01> nalioth: thanks much
[09:01] <infie> # DHCP configuration generated by Firestarter
[09:01] <infie> ddns-update-style interim;
[09:01] <infie> ignore client-updates;
[09:01] <IIIEars> The Gecko? - just tried to get packages using apt get it wasn't even installed.
[09:01] <nickrud> Boohbah, but using sudo -i will, for all practical purpose, be sufficient
[09:01] <infie> /etc/dhcpd.conf line 2: expecting a parameter or declaration.
[09:01] <infie> ddns-update-style
[09:01] <infie> ^
[09:01] <infie> /etc/dhcpd.conf line 3: expecting a parameter or declaration.
[09:01] <infie> ignore
[09:02] <infie> anyone familiar with firestarting hurting /etc/dhcpd.conf?
[09:02] <IIIEars> zapped that lizard with dd - lol
[09:02] <Boohbah> nickrud: i understand that, i don't use ubuntu, i don't think sudo is a good idea, and i'm wondering exactly how it's done, which i suspect must be a certain configuration of PAM
[09:03] <nickrud> Boohbah, your initial user created under ubuntu is added to the admin group, and the admin group is given all rights in /etc/sudoers.
[09:03] <nickrud> no pam, just sudoers
[09:04] <peaceyall`> wat does the command chvt 12 do?
[09:04] <IIIEars> Boohbah - It's not very hard to change edit the sudoers file and another file for remote root login
[09:04] <IIIEars> << I am kinda new at this so don't take what i say as gospel.
[09:04] <Boohbah> nalioth: spontaneous reinstalls? your box installs without your intervention? ;)
[09:05] <IIIEars> I appreciate the extra layer of security
[09:05] <_simple> why is java proving to be a bitch to install and use for me?
[09:05] <nalioth> Boohbah: when i used to use the non-sudo distros, i occasionally <ahem> caused myself spontaneous reinstalls
[09:06] <nickrud> _simple, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java method three
[09:06] <nalioth> Boohbah: spontaneous = unplanned or unexpected
[09:06] <_simple> yeah
[09:06] <_simple> i've tried two of those so far :D
[09:06] <IIIEars> Ubuntu = Senedipitous and welcome. - grin
[09:06] <nalioth> Boohbah: usually preceded by "OH SH**!! wtf have i done?!?"
[09:06] <nickrud> three is what i've used for years, gets firefox and so on working
[09:06] <fortran01> can I pause synaptic when it's downloading packages?
[09:07] <IIIEars> er *serendipitous
[09:07] <nalioth> fortran01: nope, only cancel
[09:07] <nickrud> I can name one time not putting sudo in front of rm -r saved my ass.
[09:08] <IIIEars> synaptic/kynaptic for kde kubuntu is an amazing improvement.
[09:08] <nickrud> IIIEars, you're compiling now, you should be using aptitude :)
[09:09] <nalioth> nickrud: compiling? aptitude?
[09:09] <IIIEars> aptitude? - Oops knowledge gap is showing - brb
[09:09] <nickrud> nalioth, a sort of in joke,
[09:10] <nickrud> we've talked before
[09:10] <nickrud> sort of, you've taken the next step there, now here
[09:10] <nickrud> 's a new next step
[09:11] <IIIEars> nickrud - were can i find a really old xaw library?
[09:11] <nalioth> nickrud: ah
[09:11] <xMaximex> how do I configure properly lm_sensors ?? The temperature and fan speed are not the same in linux than in the bios
[09:11] <nickrud> IIIEars, you don't want anyting other than xorg, why do you want it
[09:11] <IIIEars> xscrabble - is whining for the bad old days. - lol
[09:11] <nalioth> nickrud: sort of like how CherryOS emulates a PPC at 10x your system speed?
[09:11] <Boohbah> nickrud: i guess that is a good point of using sudo, to save yourself from acidentally doing bad things logged in as root, but i usually leave a root terminal open all the time and just use a different color for the bash prompt to tell it from a normal user
[09:12] <nickrud> IIIEars, you still messing with that, I thought you were trying mplayer
[09:12] <nickrud> Boohbah, I do the same, except the whole damn background is vivid red
[09:13] <IIIEars> I struggled with it. finished it i thought and came up with a a screen ful of entertaining errors - going to try again in a week or two
[09:13] <arnav> ubuntu is a good distro
[09:13] <arnav> but linux sucks overall
[09:13] <nickrud> once burned is a lesson learned
[09:14] <Kimppa> Hi. I get the following error when trying to play an mp3 with amarok: "[Gstreamer Error]  Could not determine type of stream". I've tried to change the engine but it doesn't help. xmms plays mp3s just fine
[09:14] <bob2> arnav: please /msg me if you plan to do anything other than joining and saying that over and over
[09:14] <tga> arnav: thank you for your insight, enjoy using whatever it is you're using, goodbye
[09:14] <bob2> Kimppa: did you install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[09:14] <IIIEars> Xscrabble - looks easier?
[09:14] <jasoncohen> what do i need in order to install the build-deps for mythtv?
[09:15] <jasoncohen> it says there is no mythtv source package
[09:15] <Kimppa> bob2: not sure... but what's weird is that amarok stopped wotking WHILE I was listening to mp3 with it
[09:15] <bob2> Kimppa: did you change anything since then? e.g. update anything?
[09:15] <Kimppa> bob2: yes, I have gstreamer0.8-mad installed
[09:15] <nalioth> Kimppa: sounds like a windoze error to me
[09:16] <Kimppa> bob2: "I didn't do anything"... at least I can't remember doing anything special while it happened. I've updated my system several time since, tho
[09:16] <deFrysk> Kimppa, if you use amarok in gnome set outputsink to esd of gstreamer-engine
[09:17] <bob2> Kimppa: hm, ok.
[09:17] <Kimppa> deFrysk: that's what I have
[09:17] <deFrysk> Kimppa, is the mp3file "valid"
[09:17] <deFrysk> ?
[09:17] <Kimppa> yes it is
[09:18] <deFrysk> Kimppa, perhaps try the xine engine in amarok
[09:18] <deFrysk> that one works fine too
[09:18] <IIIEars> Kimpa - there are some old kazzaa mp3's that will nuke any player on any OS.  - i think RIAA was going through a "phase" - lol
[09:18] <Kimppa> ok... got it working now
[09:19] <_simple> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:19] <_simple> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:19] <_simple> what does this mean? :/
[09:20] <nickrud> _simple, you probably have synaptic open
[09:20] <bob2> that apt/dpkg/synaptic/aptitude is running elsewhere
[09:20] <bob2> or that one of them crashed and left a lockfile around
[09:20] <_simple> heh i did :/
[09:20] <jasoncohen> i can't find transcode in any of the ubuntu sources
[09:20] <jasoncohen> but i can see gtranscode which depends on transcode..what's going on?
[09:20] <bob2> yes, it fails to build from source anymore
[09:20] <bob2> someone needs to fix it
[09:21] <jasoncohen> apparently transcode isnt' available according ot packages.ubuntu.com
[09:22] <bob2> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/t/transcode/
[09:22] <bob2> as I said, it fails to build from source anymore.  if people want it in ubuntu, someone has to fix it.
[09:22] <bob2> the above link shows you what went wrong with the build
[09:22] <jasoncohen> i didn't know you were speaking to me
[09:22] <jasoncohen> sorry
[09:23] <bob2> it seems to just be a broken build-dep
[09:23] <jasoncohen> can i use the debian testing build?
[09:23] <bob2> np
[09:23] <jasoncohen> that would be a no i guess, heh
[09:23] <bob2> that will probably work
[09:23] <nalioth> jasoncohen: if you like i can post a repo here for transcode
[09:23] <jasoncohen> nalioth, that would be nice
[09:23] <jasoncohen> i need it for mythdvd
[09:23] <nalioth> i got it working on my PPC from here .. hang on and let me find it
[09:23] <nickrud> hm, I guess you have to know the people to get to there
[09:24] <IIIEars> <hand poised over mouse like a cat about to capture the link>
[09:24] <jasoncohen> thanks in advance nalioth
[09:24] <nalioth> jasoncohen: did you look in backports?
[09:24] <jasoncohen> lol, thank god i wrote a dependency list. i just installed 50 mythtv deps in 30 seconds :)
[09:24] <IIIEars> Is it really free? - Gawd years of windows use has me brainwashed.
[09:25] <jasoncohen> nalioth, yes, i have hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:25] <jasoncohen> and hoary main universe multiverse restricted ..i.e - everything
[09:25] <chocoIate> i just followed this guie to setup my external usb modem -->> http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;921278514;fp;512;fpid;1626109420 ; how do i know its working though, most of all how do i dial lol
[09:26] <jasoncohen> nalioth, did you find the link to transcode?
[09:26] <peaceyall`> jasoncohen , transcode for avi?
[09:27] <Razor-X> what's a good Linux MPG encoder?
[09:27] <tga> Razor-X: mencoder maybe
[09:27] <peaceyall`> ya mencoder
[09:28] <chocoIate> theres a brief section here that the writer has written and i guess he assumes i should already know what i'm doing but does not assume that i could be a noob who is trying to use linux for the first time and who most probably does not know what he talking about, more over someone trying to setup their modem is likely to be a total noob :S
[09:28] <jasoncohen> transcode - Utility to encode raw video/audio streams
[09:28] <chocoIate> the breif section on how to connect --->> With all the USB modem drivers loaded, you are now ready to connect to the Internet. Insert (or replace) the device location of your USB modem - /dev/usb/ttyACM0 (Red Hat 7.2 uses /dev/input/ttyACM0) - into your Internet connection program or script.
[09:28] <jasoncohen> i don't really know what it's needed for. it's a build dep for mythdvd
[09:28] <chocoIate> which really does not tell me anything
[09:28] <bob2> a build-dep? hah.
[09:28] <nalioth> jasoncohen: transcode rox
[09:28] <bob2> chocoIate: sudo pppconfig
[09:28] <tga> chocoIate: once you have a modem device working fine you can use wvdial
[09:28] <bob2> chocoIate: configure it.  then run "pon"
[09:29] <jasoncohen> actually, i only have hoary-extras
[09:29] <nalioth> jasoncohen: dja get my pm?
[09:29] <jasoncohen> i don't have hoary-backports
[09:29] <jasoncohen> nalioth, i can't just use it from marillat?
[09:30] <nalioth> jasoncohen: try the repos one at a time until you get it either built from source or other
[09:30] <jasoncohen> what exactly is hoary-backports. it looks like it has new package versions
[09:30] <chocoIate> will wvdial be able to detect my usb modem :o
[09:30] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  you nailed it
[09:30] <nickrud> speaking of marillat, why does the ubuntuguide list stable, testing and unstable as repositories? I mean, it's weird.
[09:30] <nalioth> jasoncohen: backports are newer versions of soft, compiled for hoary
[09:30] <jasoncohen> are they safe to use?
[09:31] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, hoary-backports is bad, because they tend to break upgrades
[09:31] <chocoIate> i shall try it, brb
[09:31] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, hoary-extras are safe to use, becuase they don't contain packages taht are in Ubuntu
[09:31] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, yeah, that's what i was thinking
[09:31] <bob2> nalioth: ubuntu guide is on crack
[09:31] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, I avoid them, but you can try at your own risk
[09:31] <nalioth> bob2 in what way?
[09:31] <nickrud> one place mentions unstable, crimsun said use testing
[09:31] <eyequeue> Burgundavia:  allegedly his use of "~" should eliminate that for hoary->breezy
[09:32] <bob2> er, I meant nickrud
[09:32] <nalioth> bob2 ah, a skid at 79wpm
[09:32] <Burgundavia> eyequeue, oh?
[09:32] <Burgundavia> eyequeue, can you point me at some docs that show that?
[09:32] <eyequeue> Burgundavia:  let me see if i can find a link
[09:32] <nickrud> bob2, yeah, so what's right, or is all of them a break it, and it's yours?
[09:33] <bob2> I don't know why people are using marillat at all
[09:33] <bob2> or why people keep recommending other people do it
[09:33] <nalioth> bob2 cuz it's in the wiki
[09:33] <IIIEars> bob2 - libdvdcss?
[09:33] <eyequeue> Burgundavia:  http://backports.ubuntu.org/faq.php item 9
[09:33] <deFrysk> marrillat I use for the mplayerplug-in
[09:34] <nickrud> bob2, it's a unstable thing, we carried it over
[09:34] <bob2> IIIEars: yes, but there's no need to point apt at it for one package
[09:34] <eyequeue> Burgundavia:  well, plus item 10
[09:34] <apsuva> how to install kde ?
[09:34] <nalioth> night all
[09:35] <nalioth> apsuva: install the "kubuntu-desktop" package
[09:35] <nalioth> night
[09:35] <nickrud> nalioth, I do remember crimsun telling someone to fix the wiki, to point at testing.
[09:35] <nalioth> nickrud: hmm will have to look
[09:35] <nalioth> later
[09:35] <tga> the *-desktop packages are huuge.. 3-400 packages
[09:36] <bigfoot> how do I clear the search words in the Dictionary applet?
[09:37] <IIIEars> eyequeque - is that nerd humor? just page after page of latin.
[09:37] <eyequeue> IIIEars:  huh?
[09:38] <eyequeue> IIIEars:  at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/faq.php you mean?
[09:39] <IIIEars> Thanks for the link - I am always so-o confused. - grin
[09:39] <eyequeue> Burgundavia:  my bad, obviously i meant s/ubuntu/ubuntuforums/ sorry
[09:39] <eyequeue> IIIEars:  the first time i typed it i left out the forums part, sorry
[09:42] <nickrud> someday there will be an apt-get install <something> which will clear all this up
[09:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> Revenge of the Sith fucking rocks.
[09:44] <jasoncohen> does ubuntu have a meta package for basic tools needed to compile and build from source?
[09:44] <nickrud> jasoncohen, build-essential
[09:44] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  build-essential
[09:44] <tga> jasoncohen: build-essential
[09:45] <nickrud> that's one apt-get install that clears things up :)
[09:45] <James> hey guys
[09:45] <James> i have a small ? for u
[09:45] <jasoncohen> heh, thanks
[09:45] <jasoncohen> anything else i'll need?
[09:46] <bob2> that's only a basic tool chain
[09:46] <bob2> you need to install whatever other build dependencies the specific thing you're trying to build need
[09:46] <jasoncohen> i know- i mean specific to building
[09:46] <jasoncohen> i have all the mythtv specific dependencies installed ...all 75 or so, lol
[09:47] <nickrud> jasoncohen, ./configure, fix, and repeat
[09:47] <bob2> build-essential is defined as "everything you need to compile a C or C++ hello world program", more or less
[09:47] <jasoncohen> i wrote up a file of all the deps so i could install all of them with one or two apt-get lines
[09:47] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  sudo apt-get build-dep foo
[09:47] <James> i'm a windows user mainly, know all the ins and outs, right now i'm trying out the Ubuntu Live cd so i can test it out and see if i like it
[09:47] <apsuva> how to superkaramba install?
[09:47] <jasoncohen> eyequeue, mythtv apparently doesn't have a source package so i can't
[09:47] <bob2> apsuva: #kubuntu
[09:47] <HappyFool> James: and? do you?
[09:47] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  ah, i hadn't seen which app
[09:47] <apsuva> hmm ok thanks
[09:48] <jasoncohen> np
[09:48] <nickrud> James, that's a decent taste of ubuntu
[09:48] <James> however as it was booting up from the rom i gave it my correct screen resolution but it is only at about 640X250
[09:48] <James> oh yes i do
[09:48] <James> i really like it
[09:48] <bob2> James: intel or nvidia vide ocard?
[09:48] <jasoncohen> the compile seems to be going fine. i'll be back if something goes wrong, heh
[09:48] <James> i've always loved firefox, and it's always been way above IE for me, I figured if a browser can impress me that much what about another system
[09:49] <James> hold on for one sec, bro is talkin to me
[09:49] <jasoncohen> it took me a while to figure out which deps i needed though becuase apt-get build-dep mythtv missed some for .18 and i had to apt-cache search every single one of the mandrake deps to make sure i had it
[09:49] <jasoncohen> and some of the namings were radically differeant
[09:49] <bob2> mandrake does name things weirdly
[09:49] <jasoncohen> different
[09:50] <nickrud> jasoncohen, a basic rule of thumb is drop any numbers for the lib, and add -dev
[09:50] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  also be aware you'll typically want the -dev versions of libraries to get your header files
[09:50] <James> aight i'm back
[09:50] <jasoncohen> nickrud, yup, i did that
[09:50] <jasoncohen> but some just couldn't be guessed
[09:50] <James> yea i have navidia
[09:50] <nickrud> jasoncohen, I did the mandrake to debian thing, and I do feel your pain :)
[09:51] <toresbe> bob2: Mandriva! :P
[09:51] <bob2> James: might be a known bug then
[09:51] <jasoncohen> like libcdda0 = libcdparanoia0
[09:51] <James> that was the next place i was to look ;)
[09:51] <jasoncohen> eyequeue, yup, i know that too :)
[09:51] <jasoncohen> nickrud, actually, the switch hasn't been that hard. i really like debian testing and ubuntu is even cooler because it's more polished
[09:51] <James> i've had this problem with windows before, however, it's simple enough to run a diagnostics disk if all else fails, but since i'm running off a rom it's a bit difficult to make it recognize it from another
[09:51] <jasoncohen> though i miss not having gaim-otr
[09:52] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  apt-cache search stringhere | less   can be your friend (curses for libncurses5w-dev)
[09:52] <James> thanks for the help bob2
[09:52] <toresbe> jasoncohen: What's that?
[09:52] <jasoncohen> i'll have to rebuild from debian's packages
[09:52] <nickrud> jasoncohen, I salivate at etch as a basis for future ubuntus
[09:52] <jasoncohen> off the record messaging
[09:52] <toresbe> jasoncohen: What's that? :P
[09:52] <nickrud> god, I am a geek
[09:52] <jasoncohen> http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/
[09:52] <HappyFool> James: if you go System -> Preferences -> Screen resolution, you don't get any better options?
[09:52] <jasoncohen> i build the mandrake rpms for it
[09:52] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  not the same, but try gaim-encryption
[09:52] <James> that was the first thing i looked at
[09:52] <James> it won't let me change the res.
[09:52] <James> no other options,
[09:52] <James> thanks for the idea though
[09:53] <jasoncohen> toresbe, it provides encryption, perfect forward secrecy (even if one or both partie's keys are stolen no past or future conversations are unmasked)
[09:53] <nickrud> James, as bob2 asked, what video card do you have?
[09:53] <jasoncohen> i have used gaim-encryption
[09:53] <jasoncohen> the developer of gaim-encryption is very nice as well
[09:53] <toresbe> jasoncohen: useless yet cool :P
[09:53] <James> navidia
[09:53] <jasoncohen> but gaim-encryption doesn't have perfect forward secrecy
[09:53] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  i think -otr is slated for breezy
[09:54] <jasoncohen> yeah
[09:54] <jasoncohen> it's in testing & unstable
[09:54] <James> he said it might be a known bug so i told him i'd look into that next
[09:54] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  agreed that pfs is a GoodThing
[09:54] <James> just thought i'd give it a wack w/ some ppl
[09:54] <nickrud> James, take a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto, it may get you some more res's
[09:54] <HappyFool> he's on a live-cd
[09:54] <nickrud> James, but, you may need to install to have it work
[09:55] <James> yea, i'm giving it a test run
[09:55] <James> aight nickrud thanks for the tips
[09:55] <nickrud> James, if you have a spare 6gb, give it a try
[09:55] <HappyFool> James: well, fwiw, i'm on nvidia at 1024x768, on a full install. haven't had any problems.
[09:55] <James> if i don't install it on my personal laptop i'll def. put it on my desktop
[09:55] <James> Happy, thanks man
[09:56] <James> i think it would run on a full install
[09:56] <bob2> it's not a general thing
[09:56] <jasoncohen> damn...the compile had an error
[09:56] <jasoncohen> "cannot find -lXxf86vm"
[09:56] <jasoncohen> how do i do a search for that file?
[09:56] <HappyFool> jasoncohen: have you tried apt-file ?
[09:57] <bob2> install xlibs-dev
[09:57] <jasoncohen> not yet
[09:57] <jasoncohen> thanks bob2
[09:58] <jasoncohen> how does apt-file work? apt-file search string never gives me anything
[09:58] <nickrud> jasoncohen, packages.ubuntu.com
[09:58] <jasoncohen> apt-file search lXxfr86vm gave nothing
[09:58] <bob2> you need to initialise the apt-file database first
[09:58] <bob2> which means downloading tens of megs of stuff
[09:58] <jasoncohen> bob2, xlibs-dev is already installed
[09:58] <jasoncohen> bob2, how do i do that?
[09:58] <James> i appreciate you guys being so helpful, i have a distaste for being unknowing about any OS
[10:00] <bob2> by reading the apt-file mapage, I guess
[10:00] <eyequeue> i don't know if this is of use there or not: libxxf86vm1: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1.0
[10:00] <bob2> jasoncohen: libxxf86vm-dev
[10:00] <nickrud> and jasoncohen drop the -l from the missing lib, when you search
[10:01] <daniels> (also, it's Xxf86vm, not Xxfr86vm
[10:01] <squareff> how do i AVOID my manua(utomatical)ly edited gconf files (in a bash *script*) be rewritten on gnome shutdown?
[10:01] <jasoncohen> bob2, how did you find that?
[10:01] <squareff> *manua(utomatica)lly
[10:01] <count0food> Nvidia 5500 and 440MX here no problems :)
[10:01] <jasoncohen> ok, the compile is chugging along again
[10:02] <bob2> jasoncohen: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[10:03] <eyequeue> squareff:  no clue if this would work but, chmod them to 440?
[10:03] <nickrud> squareff, gconfd writes whatever it knows to the users gconf directory on closing, so look at using gconftool-2
[10:03] <squareff> nickrud: can gconftool-2 be used from a script?
[10:04] <nickrud> squareff, you should only need to use it once, and gconfd will remember it
[10:04] <squareff> eyequeue: that's an idea... i will try it
[10:04] <nickrud> the point of gconf, as I see it
[10:05] <Razor-X> what a rush
[10:05] <squareff> can't i just change the xml and then use a gnome tool to just reload the new settings in the memory?
[10:05] <Razor-X> it seems i'm even better in FPSs with a trackball
[10:06] <Deschanel> Does the newest version of Ubuntu will work fine on a m350 Gateway laptop. Because when  I tried the first version of Ubuntu, I got big resolution and color problems..
[10:06] <nickrud> squareff, I make the changes I want using gconf-editor, and it's remembered, I'm not sure what your're trying to accomplish
[10:06] <squareff> i am talking about ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/layout/%gconf.xml
[10:06] <bob2> squareff: don't twiddle it directly
[10:06] <tbasten> Is it safe to upgrade to brezzy yet?
[10:06] <bob2> tbasten: no
[10:06] <tbasten> or is there still issues
[10:07] <Deschanel> Does the newest version of Ubuntu will work fine on a m350 Gateway laptop. Because when  I tried the first version of Ubuntu, I got big resolution and color problems..
[10:07] <squareff> nickrud: i don't think i can use gconf-editor in a bash script
[10:07] <Burgundavia> tbasten, there will be issues for a few weeks yet
[10:07] <_simple> what is the bash command to mount an nfts drive ?
[10:07] <count0food> tbasten, lol nooooooooooooooooooooo
[10:07] <tbasten> :P
[10:07] <bob2> Deschanel: no need to ask more than once
[10:07] <hacker54> Obunto Lunix
[10:07] <tbasten> I got a partial breezy system
[10:07] <tbasten> :p
[10:07] <bob2> Deschanel: if you can't find anything on google, then you'll just have to try it
[10:07] <Deschanel> since noone answered it..
[10:07] <nickrud> squareff, is this bash script meant to be used when setting up a new user, a one time thing or some such
[10:08] <HappyFool> _simple: mount /dev/hdb1 /media/windows ?
[10:08] <bob2> no
[10:08] <bob2> you need -t ntfs -o umask==02
[10:08] <bob2> er, umask=002
[10:08] <squareff> nickrud: no, it is meant to be used repeatedly and with the assumption that the user *might* be running gnome
[10:08] <HappyFool> ah, i thought it would auto-detect
[10:09] <hacker54> linux is the shit to use
[10:09] <squareff> nickrud: but changes don't need to be applied to the current session
[10:09] <tbasten> sif linux is still shit to use
[10:09] <netcat> holas wenas
[10:09] <nickrud> squareff, ah, I think I see, and gconftool-2 is what you want for a script
[10:10] <squareff> gconftool-2 is text mode?
[10:10] <jasoncohen> um, i can't seem to find the kernel source for my kernel
[10:10] <nickrud> squareff, yes, a command line tool for manipulating ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/layout/%gconf.xml
[10:10] <squareff> nickrud: that's very nice
[10:10] <squareff> thank you
[10:11] <jasoncohen> ah it's called linux-source
[10:11] <jasoncohen> weird
[10:11] <HappyFool> jasoncohen: if you just need headers, try something like linux-headers-386
[10:11] <kingsley> Does anyone here happen to know of an email autoresponder that's up and running?
[10:11] <nickrud> squareff, I still think you're making life difficult, but I don't know your needs :)
[10:11] <count0nz> :P
[10:11] <bob2> jasoncohen: why do you want the kernel source?
[10:11] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  kernel-* in debian, linux-* in ubuntu :)
[10:12] <count0nz> kingsley, betareq@microsoft.com lol
[10:12] <zzyber> Hi! Can someone help me find my camera. I have connected my samsung camera/phone to usb and i get this in /ver/log/messages "PL-2303 converter now attached to tty USB0" In mount i get "usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs" What can i do?
[10:12] <count0nz> presedent@whitehouse.gov ;)
[10:12] <squareff> should i use "--install-schema-file=FILENAME"?
[10:12] <jasoncohen> bob2, i need the headers to compile ivtv
[10:12] <CybeRbl00D> hello
[10:13] <jasoncohen> and i might want to rebuild the kernel
[10:13] <squareff> nickrud: should i use "--install-schema-file=FILENAME"?
[10:13] <jasoncohen> does the kernel have btaudio?
[10:13] <daniels> count0nz: 'president'
[10:13] <kingsley> count0nz: You're on a roll!
[10:13] <jasoncohen> i will definitely have to rebuild if it doesn't. debian's default kernel does
[10:13] <count0nz> daniels, :) lol true
[10:13] <bob2> jasoncohen: then get the headers
[10:13] <CybeRbl00D> How can i swap KDE to Gnome?
[10:13] <bob2> jasoncohen: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:13] <nickrud> squareff, that I can say no to, the schema file comes from the package, but the exact syntax? heh
[10:13] <CybeRbl00D> How can i swap KDE to Gnome? plz help :|
[10:14] <jasoncohen> well, modprobe btaudio worked so i guess that's a yes
[10:14] <bob2> jasoncohen: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/sound/oss/btaudio.ko
[10:14] <HappyFool> jasoncohen: $ locate btaudio.ko -> /media/hda6/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/sound/oss/btaudio.ko
[10:14] <HappyFool> what is btaudio?
[10:14] <jasoncohen> whats' the disadvantage of kernel source v. kernel headers other than the larger size?
[10:14] <nickrud> squareff, examine the key you want to change with gconf, and you should be able to build the proper arguments
[10:14] <HappyFool> i think the kernel headers will include config info for the image you're running
[10:14] <nickrud> *gconf-editor
[10:14] <bob2> jasoncohen: the kernel source is useless for building drivers
[10:14] <bob2> right, what HappyFool said
[10:15] <bob2> any application that wants kernel headers is broken, tho
[10:15] <CybeRbl00D> someone can help me ??
[10:15] <HappyFool> heh. do you count kernel modules as applications? ;)
[10:15] <squareff> nickrud: right, thank you
[10:15] <bob2> CybeRbl00D: stop asking over and over
[10:15] <squareff> nickrud: i hope i will figure it out
[10:15] <seth> So, has anyone seen Kung Fu Hustle?
[10:15] <jasoncohen> bob2, in mdk i needed kernel-source
[10:15] <CybeRbl00D> :(
[10:16] <bob2> jasoncohen: mandrake is silly then
[10:16] <HappyFool> CybeRbl00D: have you tried installing ubuntu-desktop?
[10:16] <nickrud> squareff, luck, I played around with gconftool a while back as an exercise, and found that it's really only useful for setting up a new user
[10:16] <nickrud> a current user, change the key in gconf-editor, and it's good thereafter.
[10:16] <CybeRbl00D> i have debian sarge, with KDE, but i can't swap it to gnome
[10:17] <CybeRbl00D> i don't have the ubuntu cd right here
[10:17] <bob2> CybeRbl00D: come on dude
[10:17] <bob2> CybeRbl00D: #debian
[10:17] <CybeRbl00D> sorry
[10:17] <Razor-X> haha, my trackball is uber gamingo
[10:17] <deFrysk> :D
[10:17] <seth> So, has anyone seen Kung Fu Hustle?
[10:18] <bob2> seth: #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:18] <jasoncohen> there we go... chris kennedy's stable ivtv driver is compiled and installed
[10:18] <jasoncohen> now for Greyfoxx's custom niveus remote driver
[10:18] <jasoncohen> which unfortunately requires a complete make modules && make modules_install
[10:19] <bob2> in the kernel source?
[10:19] <jasoncohen> no
[10:20] <shinu> something is majorly wrong with my sys.when i type mail i get: mail: Message temporary file corrupted
[10:20] <shinu> vi keeps bugging me about some temp file name...
[10:20] <shinu> and my alt which was set to meta has suddenly stopped working...
[10:20] <bob2> perhaps your disk has been toasted
[10:21] <shinu> but everything else runs fine 0.o
[10:21] <jasoncohen> mythtv finished compiling
[10:21] <jasoncohen> i guess that was the only dep i missed
[10:21] <tbasten> Anyone know so good MMORPG's for linux?
[10:22] <tbasten> some*
[10:22] <HappyFool> heard of MUDs ? ;)
[10:22] <tbasten> me?
[10:22] <nickrud> oh, scrolling back, I have to wait for weeks for breezy?
[10:23] <tbasten> nickrud, yeah apparently
[10:23] <Madpilot> I've been playing with Ubuntu's desktop panels - is there a way to add seperators between app icons?
[10:23] <bob2> nickrud: it comes out in october...
[10:23] <nickrud> Madpilot, no, no spacers for the panel
[10:24] <jasoncohen> cool, i can build mythdvd without transcode. since i never transcode dvds anyways, that'll be fine
[10:24] <Madpilot> nickrud: thnx, was afraid someone would say that...
[10:24] <nickrud> bob2, I said a while back, I'll upgrade 05.08 probably
[10:24] <seth> If I have an ISO, how can I go about mounting that as a drive?
[10:24] <nickrud> just mildly wish for sooner
[10:24] <HappyFool> mount -o loop filename.iso /path/to/mount/point
[10:24] <tbasten> Whats the wine version u have to pay for? Whats it called?
[10:25] <seth> HappyFool, thank you very much kind sir.
[10:25] <Madpilot> does anyone know what the weather applet thingie uses for data? because it's about three hrs behind some of the official online reports I can get...
[10:25] <HappyFool> i can't remember if you have to 'modprobe loop' first or not
[10:25] <bob2> Madpilot: your national weather service
[10:25] <bob2> it's quite possible they deliberately cripple their reports to avoid """competing""" with private groups
[10:26] <seth> HappyFool, nope. No need to modprobe loop. I just did it without having to.
[10:26] <jasoncohen> so, breezy will be released in october?
[10:26] <Madpilot> bob2: is "they" the applet devs or Enviroment Canada?
[10:27] <bob2> jasoncohen: yes...
[10:27] <bob2> Madpilot: I don't know if it gets it from environment canada or the us NWS
[10:27] <MrSanta> someone can tell me where to get GSTREAMER-FAAD , i dont find it in multiverse or universe, an an olter downloadversion seems to be broken
[10:27] <Madpilot> bob2: interesting. this being open source I'm sure I could find out... :)
[10:28] <_jesse> I know this probably isn't the room for my question but here it goes.  lol
[10:28] <_jesse> I get a lot of crashing in Kubuntu. Mainly Konqueror and Kaffeine. If there any workaround for that?
[10:28] <bob2> try #kubuntu
[10:28] <bob2> as the topic says
[10:28] <nickrud> jasoncohen, there's a colony release already, but when the 'release candidates' appear, that's when I will start looking seriously
[10:29] <_jesse> I did.  Nobody seemed to have any ideas.
[10:29] <jasoncohen> huh...."the present kernel configuration has modules disabled. type 'make config' and enable loadable module support. then build a kernel with module support enabled"
[10:29] <bob2> or on their list, perhaps
[10:29] <jasoncohen> how is that possible? i just built ivtv as a kernel module i thought
[10:29] <bob2> jasoncohen: sure this isn't an old broken 2.4 module?
[10:29] <jasoncohen> nope
[10:29] <jasoncohen> i have it in 2.6.11
[10:29] <jasoncohen> and 2.6.8
[10:29] <jasoncohen> i just did make modules && make modules_install
[10:29] <MrSanta> GSTREAMER-FAAD?
[10:30] <jasoncohen> i extraced the kernel source to /usr/src/ and then made a symbolic link from kernel-source-2.6.10-5 to linux
[10:30] <jasoncohen> and did make modules && make modules_installux in /usr/src/lin
[10:30] <bob2> er
[10:30] <bob2> that won't work
[10:30] <HappyFool> eek
[10:30] <jasoncohen>  /usr/src/linux even
[10:30] <deFrysk> :/
[10:30] <jasoncohen> but i did that in debian
[10:30] <jasoncohen> bob2, what should i do?
[10:31] <bob2> in debian you'd built your own kernel
[10:31] <bob2> I don't know what you're trying to do
[10:31] <jasoncohen> bob2, no, i used the debian kernel
[10:31] <jasoncohen> bob2, i just want to build a tiny remote driver for my kernel
[10:31] <bob2> well, running "make modules && make modules_install" in a blank kernel source isn't going to do anything useful
[10:31] <jasoncohen> it's basically like the ati remote driver with some changes
[10:31] <bob2> why did you do that, first?
[10:32] <jasoncohen> i copied ati_remote.c to /usr/src/linux/drivers/usb/input so it would get compiled with all the others
[10:32] <shinu> damnit 0.o
[10:32] <shinu> i know what was wrong...
[10:32] <kingsley> Does anyone here happen to know of an email autoresponder that's up and running?
[10:32] <tbasten> kingsley, google.com
[10:32] <shinu> i ran out of space complately... and there was no space for swap files...
[10:32] <bob2> kingsley: if you're testing a mailsystem, make a hotmail/yahoo/gmail account
[10:33] <jasoncohen> bob2, i don't understand...i did this exact procedure in both debian testing and mandrake 10.1/2005LE and it worked
[10:33] <bob2> ok!
[10:33] <bob2> the kernel source you ran that in was not usefully configured
[10:33] <tbasten> jasoncohen, just do make menuconfig
[10:33] <bob2> no
[10:34] <bob2> copy the config from /boot/ to .config in the kernel source
[10:34] <kingsley> tbasten: I've been googling for a few minutes, but haven't found one that seems safe and works.
[10:34] <bob2> then run 'make menuconfig' and enable this silly module
[10:34] <count0nz> shinu, ouch
[10:34] <kingsley> bob2: Too much red tape.
[10:34] <bob2> then run 'make modules'
[10:34] <tbasten> lol, wont get much in here. There full of nerds who think there god
[10:34] <jasoncohen> ah, that's what i forgot to do
[10:34] <bob2> kingsley: in the time you've been asking you could have done it...
[10:34] <bob2> then do NOT run make module_install
[10:34] <bob2> copy the file manually to /lib/modules/
[10:35] <MrSanta> GSTREAMER-FAAD?
[10:35] <MrSanta> GSTREAMER-FAAD?
[10:35] <shinu> the no space left also prevented my xserver of running properly and i could use alt as meta 0.o
[10:35] <bob2> MrSanta: please stop being annoying
[10:36] <bob2> MrSanta: no one answered, that means no one knows
[10:36] <bob2> MrSanta: try asking on the user mailing list
[10:36] <tbasten> bob2, or maybe u couldnt be bothered
[10:36] <tbasten> :P
[10:36] <bob2> tbasten: couldn't be bothered?
[10:36] <bob2> to go research his/her question?
[10:36] <tbasten> nvm. I am sorry got for question your
[10:37] <deFrysk> ?
[10:37] <bob2> what does that mean?
[10:37] <tbasten> nvm. I am sorry god for questioning you
[10:37] <Madpilot> that tbasten is drinking & posting? :)
[10:37] <bob2> er, ok, whatever
[10:37] <deFrysk> tss
[10:38] <tbasten> Oh, now this angles are helping him
[10:38] <nickrud> hm, maybe he got reminded about who actually knows his shit
[10:38] <tbasten> was i talking to you's?
[10:38] <tbasten> his*
[10:38] <jasoncohen> what package do i need to do make-kpkg?
[10:38] <nickrud> um sorry
[10:38] <bob2> I think it's best to ignore tbasten
[10:38] <bob2> jasoncohen: kernel-package and build-essential
[10:38] <tbasten> jasoncohen, kernel-package
[10:39] <tbasten> :O oh, i am scared. Going to ban me?
[10:39] <toby> hi
[10:39] <tbasten> hi
[10:39] <jasoncohen> thanks
[10:39] <toby> has anyone here got photoshop cs running on ubuntu
[10:39] <jasoncohen> ah there we go
[10:39] <jasoncohen> cp /boot/config-2.6.10-5 .config && make-kpkg --confnig old configure
[10:40] <jasoncohen> then i can do make modules
[10:40] <nickrud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats for MrSanta
[10:40] <jasoncohen> bob2, it's not a matter of checking off a module in the kernel to compile. this is a custom module. i don't want the one in the kernel as it won't work with my remote
[10:40] <jasoncohen> i need a customized ati remote driver
[10:45] <Myrtti> I wonder would anyone have any ideas what I should try about my mounting problem. I've been able to mount my USB-stick until recently. I cannot for the life of me figure out what is wrong. The stick shows up in /dev/sda1 and I'm able to mount is as root, but I can't do it anymore as normal user and the mounted drive doesn't show up on my desktop.
[10:45] <teknomaniac> hi ,i added to my panel report weather and i have weather for city which is about 100km from me,how can i change it ?
[10:45] <jasoncohen> bob2 nickrud : thanks for your help
[10:46] <Myrtti> teknomaniac: do you have an airport in your city?
[10:46] <toby> how do i install .sh files?
[10:46] <nickrud> jasoncohen, np, I did very little for you :)
[10:46] <teknomaniac> no i haven't
[10:46] <Madpilot> teknomaniac: rightclick on the wx icon, select Preferences.
[10:46] <pablo928> teknomaniac, right click on the icon and set your preferences
[10:46] <Madpilot> huge long list of wx sites there, not just airports
[10:47] <nickrud> Myrtti, is /dev/sda1 defined in /etc/fstab?
[10:47] <IIIEars> Working through some first example C++ programs. You know "Hello World" and others. - Using Anjuta makes me laugh out loud. It calls everything a "Project" and will insert the GNU license boilerplate automagically.  - Powerful free tools linux is incredible.
[10:47] <teknomaniac> o fu#k ,thx i'm stupid:)
[10:47] <HappyFool> toby: try 'sh filename.sh'
[10:47] <Hussam> Hi, I need help, I'm with a wrong clock. because at shutdown, the system fails to synchronize with hardware clock. It can't find /sbin/hwclock
[10:47] <MrSanta> Where do i find hoary-extras, need some packages from there...
[10:47] <Myrtti> nickrud: no
[10:47] <Hussam> how do I reinstall /sbin/hwclock ?
[10:48] <toby> that worked
[10:48] <toby> thanks
[10:48] <Madpilot> I now have six wx applets running... cool little applet!
[10:48] <nickrud> Myrtti, usb and hotplug and udev and gnome-volume manager all interact to put an icon on your desktop
[10:48] <HappyFool> Hussam: /sbin/hwclock is part of util-linux. I guess you could try reinstalling that package
[10:48] <nickrud> missed hal
[10:49] <kestas> is wx that portable widget set thing?
[10:49] <Hussam> HappyFool: ok thanks
[10:49] <nickrud> it's not exactly a working system yet
[10:49] <Madpilot> kestas: sorry, "wx" is shorthand for "weather"...
[10:49] <kestas> thats a weird shorthand
[10:49] <Myrtti> nickrud: so what should I do, where to look for an answer? Google? I've tried googling but I'm afraid I'm too tired or slow to find the right search terms
[10:50] <Madpilot> kestas: pilots (no, the nic isn't just random) tend to be odd! :)
[10:50] <kestas> ah pilot lingo eh
[10:50] <jasoncohen> anyone know where mysql stores it's db?
[10:50] <bob2> jasoncohen: eh? you need to enable it in the config so the kernel build system builds it
[10:50] <Madpilot> kestas: 'fraid so. I try to speak English when out in public, but slip sometimes...
[10:50] <kestas> /var/db usually jasoncohen
[10:50] <bob2> jasoncohen: or are you just overwriting an existing file?
[10:51] <jasoncohen> i'm just overwriting the existing file
[10:51] <nickrud> Myrtti, you could put /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbstick auto rw,user in /etc/fstab, and as long as your usbstick is the only hotplugged scsi thing, it will probably work
[10:51] <jasoncohen> oh yeah, does ubuntu automount usb keys?
[10:52] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes, if it doesn't it is a bug
[10:52] <Myrtti> it does, unless you've borked your things
[10:52] <Myrtti> like I have
[10:52] <Madpilot> Myrtti: "unless you've borked your things" - going to have to remember that very technical description! :)
[10:53] <MrSanta> gstreamer plugin called gstreamer0.8-faac (install from HOARY-EXTRAS). WHERE IS THIS HOARY-EXTRA, dont find it in synaptics
[10:53] <Myrtti> Madpilot: yes, well, I've managed to bork mine. I don't have a clue what I've done or what has been borked, so that very technical description is actually quite detailed ;-)
[10:54] <nickrud> MrSanta, it's at the top of the link i gave you
[10:54] <bob2> MrSanta: please stop it
[10:54] <HappyFool> MrSanta: section 2.2 of that page, '2.2 Hoary-extras'
[10:54] <jasoncohen> BurgerMann, yup...it automounts perfectly
[10:54] <jasoncohen> very nice
[10:55] <HappyFool> and the title's in all caps, so it should be just what you want ;)
[10:55] <Madpilot> Myrtti: been there, done that. Not (yet!) in Linux, tho. the time will come...
[10:55] <nickrud> borking is what makes linux fun
[10:55] <Myrtti> I was actually thinking of doing "the Windows way of fixing things"
[10:56] <Myrtti> ie. reinstalling the whole shebang
[10:56] <Myrtti> though my SO would be grateful for me hogging the line
[10:56] <Madpilot> ah, the "blunt object" method of tech support...
[10:57] <Myrtti> I hope this'll do the trick
[10:57] <IIIEars> Hussman -  It's a bit general - sorry.   http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsysm/article.php/3302411
[10:57] <Myrtti> I'm getting a wee bit desperate
[10:57] <HappyFool> izzat when you hit recalcitrant users with an o'reilly manual?
[10:57] <jasoncohen> damn, thank god i make daily backups of the myth db
[10:57] <nickrud> Myrtti, first, get a in a terminal, tail -f /var/log/messages then in another, sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart then /etc/init.d/udev restart
[10:57] <jasoncohen> after installing ubuntu i got kernel panics in mythtv
[10:58] <jasoncohen> i would have lost show info for 60 shows and several hundred old shows
[10:58] <Myrtti> nickrud: what should I look for in that first one
[10:58] <lesshaste> has anyone ever got spamassassin -r < spam to work? If so.. help! :)
[10:58] <Madpilot> HappyFool: no, that's when you do a total re-install of the whole d*mned OS. I like your method, though!
[10:58] <count0nz> i borked mine but it was the .ICEauthority somehow got owned by root :)
[10:58] <nickrud> Myrtti, something that says, 'hey, this part doesn't work'
[10:59] <nickrud> Myrtti, :)
[10:59] <Myrtti> May 21 11:42:34 localhost gconfd (myrtti-7879): None of the resolved addresses are writable; saving configuration settings will not be possible
[10:59] <MrSanta> How to whister in x-chat?
[11:00] <nickrud> oh, that's something else entirely.
[11:00] <Amaranth> whisper? you mean private message?
[11:00] <MrSanta> yes
[11:00] <Amaranth> right click on a nick and choose open dialog window
[11:00] <count0nz> and /msg works too ::)
[11:00] <MrSanta> then i mean this whisper thing
[11:00] <Myrtti> or /query
[11:00] <Amaranth> my leet menu editor foo works
[11:00] <MrSanta> ah /msg thx
[11:01] <Amaranth> drag and drop entry moving
[11:01] <count0nz> MrSanta, np
[11:03] <IIIEars> Amaranth - Can i peek at it?
[11:03] <Amaranth> IIIEars: not yet, it breaks things :)
[11:03] <IIIEars> Really new to this just curious
[11:04] <nickrud> just another tease ;)
[11:04] <Amaranth> nickrud: that's what i'm good at :D
[11:04] <IIIEars> lol - i enjoy pain - "hurt me baby..." -lol
[11:04] <count0nz> ") no pine
[11:04] <Amaranth> i seriously think i can release 0.6 tomorrow
[11:05] <count0nz> pgp4pine but no pine :(
[11:05] <Amaranth> pine has license issues, iirc
[11:05] <IIIEars> (hm - a nap might be needed.)
[11:05] <Amaranth> and security issues
[11:05] <count0nz> Ohhhhhhh :)
[11:05] <nickrud> Amaranth, which one is yours, I've been cutting and pasting in /usr/share/applications for now
[11:05] <count0nz> pl Pine Evil :)
[11:05] <count0nz> ohhh even
[11:05] <count0nz> :)
[11:05] <Amaranth> nickrud: smeg
[11:06] <nickrud> hah, I've pointed people at that one :)
[11:06] <nickrud> nice work
[11:06] <Amaranth> yeah, it's completely different in 0.6, again
[11:06] <Amaranth> thanks
[11:07] <HappyFool> Amaranth: are you going to change the app's name? ;)
[11:07] <nickrud> ma
[11:08] <Amaranth> HappyFool: Nope.
[11:08] <nickrud> evil hat wearing time
[11:08] <count0nz> nickrud, who's evil hat you got on today ?
[11:08] <nickrud> count0nz, I can proudly claim it as my own
[11:09] <count0nz> nickrud, :) kewl ;)
[11:09] <Amaranth> HappyFool: The name is part of the fun. :)
[11:09] <Myrtti> nickrud: where do you live?
[11:09] <HappyFool> heh
[11:09] <nickrud> my nick is from all my buddies calling me nick Rude
[11:09] <Myrtti> Irvine?
[11:09] <nickrud> Myrtti, Fillmore
[11:10] <Myrtti> nickrud: If my sister lived in the States and in California, I'd ask her to send you a 10$ check.
[11:10] <Myrtti> thank you
[11:10] <Myrtti> It worked
[11:10] <nickrud> lol, but don't plug something else in first, because the /dev/ address will change
[11:11] <Myrtti> well, I don't have anything else to plug :->
[11:11] <Amaranth> that reminds me, i got $10 from a smeg user the other day
[11:11] <Amaranth> that was awesome
[11:11] <Myrtti> and my sister moved out of california 5 yrs ago
[11:11] <Myrtti> too bad
[11:11] <nickrud> Myrtti, buy a round for me, and that will do
[11:11] <Myrtti> I don't get my annual "macaroni and cheese" and "beef jerky" shipments anymore
[11:12] <Myrtti> nickrud: if you ever come to Finland ;-)
[11:12] <nickrud> Myrtti, don't wait for me, drink up :)
[11:13] <linukso> Hi! Does anyone else here have a problem with X hanging when speedstep changes frequency?
[11:13] <Myrtti> works like a charm
[11:14] <Myrtti> I'm so happy I could start crying
[11:14] <Myrtti> thanks again nickrud
[11:14] <nickrud> Myrtti, np
[11:14] <IIIEars> Simple Menu Editor for Gnome?
[11:14] <Myrtti> /me shows count0nz the white hankerchiefs she sew yesterday
[11:15] <Myrtti> thanks, I've got me own
[11:15] <IIIEars> lol
[11:15] <count0nz> LOL kewl
[11:16] <BurgerMann> jasoncohen, heh indeed i automounts perfectly
[11:16] <norm_> did anyone try getting tv-out on laptops to work with ubuntu? i'm considering installing ubuntu on my dell inspiron 4150 with radeon 7500 graphics, but i've heard that tv-out can be a pain to get going
[11:16] <count0nz> anyone here know ipv6 ?
[11:16] <bob2> norm_: depends on the video card
[11:17] <bob2> norm_: does gatos.sf.net say anything about yours?
[11:17] <norm_> bob2, i'll have a look, hang on
[11:18] <jasoncohen> i need some help with mysql
[11:18] <jasoncohen>  i'm attempting to restore my db from a backup and i'm getting this error
[11:18] <jasoncohen> ERROR 1064 at line 21: You have an error in your SQL syntax.  Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1' at line
[11:18] <jasoncohen>  i used the command " mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg < mythtvbackup.sql"
[11:18] <bigfoot> how do i edit the stuff in the panel's menu (the one with the Foot icon)?
[11:18] <gzllinux> totem rm
[11:19] <gzllinux> 
[11:19] <bob2> jasoncohen: do you have the exact same version of mysql on both sides of the dump
[11:19] <bob2> ?
[11:19] <nickrud> bigfoot, a program called smeg, someone here can tell you where to get it
[11:19] <bigfoot> nickrud, i just need to change the command line of one application.
[11:20] <jasoncohen> bob2, probably not
[11:20] <count0nz> anyone wana help with with ipv6 Tunnleing ?
[11:20] <jasoncohen> i had 4.1.11 on the original
[11:20] <nickrud> bigfoot, look for the app in /usr/share/applications, you can alter the command line in a file there
[11:20] <liable> gzllinux: english maybe?
[11:21] <hgfhgf> .
[11:21] <gzllinux> 555
[11:21] <jasoncohen> bob2, it has to be exactly the same? 4.0.23 won't work with 4.1.11?
[11:22] <bob2> jasoncohen: going up probably does
[11:22] <bob2> going down probably won't
[11:22] <bob2> I don't know how serioulsy the mysql people take compatibility
[11:22] <Amaranth> 4.0 dumping for 4.1 would hopefully be ok
[11:22] <jasoncohen> well, i'll update to 4.1.11 anyways and see how it works
[11:22] <Amaranth> 4.1 dumping for 4.0 would probably die, but i'd hope it'd be ok
[11:22] <jasoncohen> i'm doing 4.1 to 4.0
[11:22] <jasoncohen> i think
[11:22] <IIIEars> nickrud - no files released for smeg on the U.K. dev. site - gotta have the wrong URL....
[11:22] <Myrtti> I wonder what I was doing before this emotional experience sidetracked me
[11:23] <bob2> just deleting the DEFAULT CHARSET line might help
[11:23] <bob2> but make sure you keep a copy of the dump
[11:23] <Amaranth> nickrud, IIIEars: err, what about smeg?
[11:23] <IIIEars> Was "sandy" an early debian release?
[11:23] <nickrud> IIIEars, http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[11:23] <jasoncohen> bob2, hah, you were right
[11:24] <jasoncohen> i guess they don't take backward compatibility seriously
[11:24] <bigfoot> in the Gnome Menu, I just need to change the location to which a shortcut/launcher points. Specifically, I'm talking about the firefox link in the "internet" category.
[11:24] <IIIEars> Curiousity just kills me. - gotta have a look at it. - wide grin.
[11:24] <jasoncohen> now i know why stable releases don't change their mysql version
[11:24] <Amaranth> Yeah, I'll be uploading smeg 0.6 tomorrow, hopefully. So if you install now you have to do it all over again later. :)
[11:24] <bigfoot> I was able to change it before with help from this chatroom, but i forgot how to do it.
[11:24] <jasoncohen> if works fine now that both are on 4.1.11
[11:24] <IIIEars> Thank You.
[11:24] <jasoncohen> but i won't get security updates for 4.1.11, oh well. it's behind a firewall
[11:25] <jasoncohen> thanks again bob2
[11:25] <norm_> bob2, the supported cards-list doesn't have exactly my card, but it does mention several mobility-products - i'll have a go at ubuntu in the next couple of days and see how it works :)
[11:25] <nickrud> hah. 2:30am. night all
[11:28] <_jesse> Can someone tell me the proper way to go about installing KDE after installing Ubuntu?
[11:28] <Myrtti> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:29] <_jesse> kewlness...  I'm doing this in hopes of getting around instability caused by Kubuntu.
[11:29] <edwin> how to install rpm file?
[11:30] <count0nz> Edgan, alien
[11:30] <Myrtti> alien -i thefileyouwanttoinstall.rpm
[11:30] <chocoIate> i am still unable to configure my  usb modem ; does anybody know of any online guide --i have looked at many but nothing is specific to isdn modems ; i want something that can work along with this, since i was able to complete those steps in full, i just dont know how to get the dialer started :S --->> http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;921278514;fp;512;fpid;1626109420
[11:31] <bob2> chocoIate: as I said before, sudo pppconfig
[11:31] <jasoncohen> i compiled and installed ivtv but when i do modprobe ivtv it says module ivtv not found
[11:31] <bob2> chocoIate: also, it's important that you mention it's an isdn modem everytime you ask a question
[11:31] <jasoncohen> why would that happen?
[11:31] <bob2> jasoncohen: did you run depmod?
[11:32] <jasoncohen> yes
[11:32] <chocoIate> With all the USB modem drivers loaded, you are now ready to connect to the Internet. Insert (or replace) the device location of your USB modem - /dev/usb/ttyACM0 (Red Hat 7.2 uses /dev/input/ttyACM0) - into your Internet connection program or script
[11:32] <chocoIate> they mention that
[11:32] <chocoIate> well, i have done a pppconfig
[11:33] <chocoIate> and tried /dev/usb/ttyACM0
[11:33] <jasoncohen> it looked like it installed to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386. is that correct?
[11:33] <bob2> yes
[11:33] <chocoIate> then pon
[11:33] <chocoIate> nothing happens :S
[11:33] <bob2> indeed
[11:33] <bob2> then you read the logs
[11:33] <bob2>  /var/log/syslog
[11:33] <chocoIate> what logs
[11:33] <HappyFool> jasoncohen: the .ko file should go into /lib/modules/<version>/ somewhere
[11:34] <chocoIate> oh bob2
[11:34] <chocoIate> didnt see you reply sorry
[11:34] <chocoIate> well, i have already done pppconfig
[11:34] <bob2> jasoncohen: er, the headers should have installed to /usr/src/linux..., the module should be in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
[11:34] <chocoIate> the dialer is never started :S
[11:34] <bob2> chocoIate: yes, I know
[11:34] <bob2> now read your logs
[11:34] <jasoncohen> ok, i'm checking to see if everything is in the correct directory
[11:35] <chocoIate> oh
[11:35] <jasoncohen> does the ubuntu kernel have support for ivtv by default?
[11:35] <chocoIate> ok brb
[11:35] <bob2> there's no module called "ivtv" included in the default kernel in hoary
[11:36] <jasoncohen> does that mean i have to do more than compile and install it?
[11:36] <bob2> I don't know if you compiled and installed it
[11:36] <bob2> if modprobe didn't find it, I suspect you at least haven't installed it
[11:37] <jasoncohen> the instructions are simple - it says to cd to drivers, make and then make install
[11:37] <jasoncohen> ivtv.tv/releases
[11:37] <HappyFool> 'find /lib/modules -iname ivtv.ko' will tell you whether it's installed
[11:37] <HappyFool> you can always just copy the file to somewhere like /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/misc manually
[11:38] <jason_> /lib/modules/2.6.10/ivtv/ivtv.ko
[11:38] <jason_> /usr/include/linux/ivtv.h
[11:38] <HappyFool> what does 'uname -r' say?
[11:38] <HappyFool> cos my module directory is /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/
[11:38] <jason_> 2.6.10-5-386
[11:39] <HappyFool> there's something screwy with your kernel config still
[11:39] <jason_> ohh
[11:39] <jason_> i didn't change the makefile
[11:39] <jason_> damn't
[11:39] <Bramme> what's a good direct connect client in ubuntu ? i've already tried dcgui-qt but i don't like it :s
[11:39] <djp> can anybody advise me how the junk filter works in evolution? is it using bogofilter which i notice is installed by default under hoary?
[11:40] <jason_> that explains why ati_remote didn't work either
[11:41] <Ali_Baba> Bramme: have you tried valknut?
[11:41] <Bramme> how's the package called ?
[11:42] <xiaogil> how to connect 2 computers directly (not through the internet) with wifi instead of ethernet, to make files transfers via SSH ?
[11:42] <Ali_Baba> Bramme: dont know,i got the source from internet,its working fine.
[11:42] <Bramme> ok
[11:43] <DunkMaster> yo all
[11:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> is wine in universe?
[11:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi drunkm
[11:44] <DunkMaster> Kamping, yes it is
[11:44] <bob2> yes
[11:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah ok
[11:44] <DunkMaster> hi
[11:44] <wdh> xiaogil, just make sure the wifi is up and running.. and use sftp then
[11:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> ta
[11:44] <djp> can anybody advise me how the junk filter works in evolution? is it using bogofilter which i notice is installed by default under hoary?
[11:44] <bob2> it should be
[11:44] <kestas> for a one time file copy I would use netcat through ssh port forwarding
[11:45] <xiaogil> wdh: i use gftp instead, it works through the internet, but not when i don't have an internet connection
[11:45] <kestas> xiaogil: gftp is an ftp client sftp is a secure ftp protocol
[11:45] <DunkMaster> i hope ill not mess up the root today
[11:45] <DunkMaster> like i did yesterday
[11:46] <DunkMaster> had to reinstall
[11:46] <DunkMaster> grrr
[11:46] <HappyFool> how about scp ?
[11:46] <kestas> not as fast as netcat
[11:46] <kestas> cp does it char by char
[11:46] <HappyFool> huh. ok, didn't know that
[11:47] <kestas> yeah you wouldnt think so but cp is pretty slow
[11:47] <jason_> this doesn't seem to be working
[11:47] <edawg> hi all
[11:47] <jason_> ivtv is still not installed
[11:47] <xiaogil> hestas, wdh: the problem is that i don't know how to create a network name with the wifi, so that other can log on it, when using iwconfig, i can't create an ip to log on via ssh on other computers
[11:48] <kestas> xiaogil: well then thats a wifi problem, and I cant help because Ive never used wifi
[11:48] <IIIEars> Is installing gtk2.0-examples something to be avoided?
[11:48] <bob2> no
[11:48] <IIIEars> lib trouble or anything?
[11:49] <IIIEars> Cool
[11:50] <wdh> xiaogil, me neither, i recommend you try searching the wiki for it.. that would be my first step i guess :)
[11:51] <DunkMaster> little question: are the instructions to add windows partition to /mnt/ and to mount them at startup is in wiki?
[11:51] <wdh> DunkMaster, what am i? i remote search function?
[11:51] <liable> xiaogil: set the mode to ad-hoc, read man iwconfig
[11:52] <DunkMaster> i just asked
[11:52] <DunkMaster> i'd look there myslef
[11:52] <xiaogil> liable: i tried the ad-hoc mode, but unsuccessfully
[11:52] <wdh> DunkMaster, /dev/hda2       /windows        vfat    defaults        0       0 << add that to /etc/fstab
[11:53] <wdh> DunkMaster, ymmv though, so change it accordingly
[11:53] <DunkMaster> ty
[11:53] <jason_> it's not installed correctly but the build line looks right
[11:53] <jason_>    CONFIG_VIDEO_IVTV=m -C /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build M=/home/jason/ivtv-0.2.0-rc3j/driver modules_install
[11:53] <liable> xiaogil: the other box a debian one?
[11:55] <HappyFool> jason_: what's the error?
[11:55] <Goonie> can anyone tell me what to add to fstab to automatically mount my windows partition so that I don't have to be root to access the files ?
[11:55] <xiaogil> liable: ubuntu
[11:56] <bob2> Goonie: change defaults to umask=002
[11:56] <jason_> HappyFool, just that ivtv can't be found
[11:56] <jason_> it's not installed in the correct directory
[11:56] <HappyFool> jason_: so copy it yourself ;)
[11:56] <jason_> in fact the directory it's installed in on mdk doesn't exist in ubuntu
[11:56] <Bramme> in valknut/dclib/dcgui-qt/whatever i can set my options, but when i quit the prog and restart it the options are gone !!
[11:56] <jason_>  it's in /lib/modules/2.6.11../extra
[11:56] <HappyFool> e.g., put it in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ivtv/
[11:57] <HappyFool> how did you end up with a 2.6.11 kernel ?
[11:57] <jason_> i mean on mdk
[11:57] <HappyFool> oh
[11:57] <jason_> but there is no extra on ubuntu
[11:57] <HappyFool> jason_: so 'sudo mkdir <whatever>/extra'
[11:57] <liable> xiaogil: so you set the ip's for both boxes, set them in ad-hoc, and cant ping?
[11:57] <HappyFool> or 'sudo mkdir <whatever>/ivtv' or whatever you want
[11:58] <HappyFool> and then 'sudo cp ivtv.ko <directory you created>', then 'depmod -a' and then try again
[12:00] <Goonie> bob2~ sry for being such a noob but could you give me the line to add asssuming my windows is on hda1 and is ntfs? I don't need write access so ntfs shouldn't be a problem
[12:00] <bob2> Goonie: you don't have the line in there already?
[12:01] <jason_> huh
[12:01] <jason_> it just had to be in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/ivtv
[12:01] <Goonie> bob2~ no.. I have only mounted it be sudo mount -t ntfs. ..... but I wan't it to mount on boot and be accessible by my user
[12:02] <bob2> Goonie: /dev/hda1 /mnt/ ntfs umask=002 0 0
[12:02] <xiaogil> liable: what i tried actually, is the command "iwconfig eth1 essid gilles mode managed enc key off", i didn't try ad hoc (i'll do it now...), and then i ran another computer on windows to check for networks around (as i did't know how to check that on linux, but now i know iwlist). So with this command, there is not choice of ip address, how to know the ip then ?
[12:02] <zayd[a] na> anybody here know what i should use for a dyndns client?
[12:02] <bob2> ddt-client
[12:02] <Goonie> bob2~ thx
[12:03] <jason_> goodnight everyone
[12:03] <jason_> i'm too tired to continue. it's 6 am here
[12:03] <jason_> thanks for the help HappyFool and bob2
[12:03] <bob2> good luck
[12:03] <HappyFool> heh
[12:03] <jason_> thanks
[12:03] <HappyFool> have fun ;)
[12:05] <REBELinBLUE> hey
[12:05] <felicitas> auf welcher taste ist das umgedrehte fragezeichen auf der tastatur?
[12:05] <REBELinBLUE> anyone know where I can get gapi-2.0
[12:06] <edwin> how do i search for other packages using synaptic?
[12:06] <HappyFool> felicitas: try #ubuntu-de
[12:06] <__nate> click search
[12:06] <holycow> anyone use nx server over an internet connection in production by chance?
[12:06] <__nate> type in what you're looking for
[12:06] <edwin> but i think it only display the packages in my computer
[12:06] <REBELinBLUE> enable the online repositories
[12:06] <__nate> i seriously doubt it
[12:06] <REBELinBLUE> not just the CD
[12:06] <edwin> how?
[12:07] <incorrect> is there ubuntu debootstrap?
[12:07] <bob2> incorrect: use the regular debootstrap
[12:07] <REBELinBLUE> settings > repositories
[12:07] <bob2> tho cdebootstrap seems remarkably unhappy with trying to make an ubuntu system
[12:08] <incorrect> bob2, i don't seem to have an ubuntu option
[12:08] <edwin> just tick all the options?
[12:09] <bob2> incorrect: option? you specify a path to an ubuntu mirror and the correct ubuntu swuite
[12:10] <incorrect> yeah so something like debootstrap woody /dev/usb ftp.xxxx whatever
[12:11] <incorrect> however i don't have a warty option or something
[12:11] <bob2> option?
[12:11] <bob2> you tell it what you want to do
[12:12] <incorrect> well if i look at the files it installed i've got scripts/woody sid sarge etc
[12:12] <HappyFool> edwin: for starters you might just want main and restricted
[12:12] <incorrect> don't i need a build script for ubuntu
[12:13] <bob2> sudo debootstrap hoary ./hoary/ http://192.168.1.101/ubuntu/, works for me
[12:13] <incorrect> ok ill see what happens
[12:13] <edwin> is there a list of server to download packages from?
[12:13] <incorrect> is hoary stable?
[12:13] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[12:13] <bob2> incorrect: yes
[12:13] <incorrect> sorry i don't keep up
[12:14] <incorrect> i can't get them to use debian on the desktop, but i can get ubuntu ;)
[12:14] <incorrect> last time i checked it was warty
[12:15] <HappyFool> new stable release every april and october is the plan, i believe
[12:15] <Tomcat_> November.
[12:15] <Tomcat_> Mh... or is it October? :o
[12:16] <bob2> october
[12:16] <incorrect> like i thought it says no script hoary
[12:16] <bob2> 5.10 = 2005/october
[12:16] <Tomcat_> Mh, right.
[12:17] <Tomcat_> I had the impression Warty came out in November. :)
[12:17] <Tomcat_> But that's more because I installed it in November when I got my new laptop.
[12:17] <Tomcat_> Always forgetting that.
[12:20] <sikor_sxe> i want to compile a kernel module for hoary
[12:20] <sikor_sxe> what do i have to install?
[12:20] <sikor_sxe> i installed the linux-source pkg
[12:20] <drcode> any one use openvpn?
[12:20] <incorrect> drcode, i do
[12:20] <drcode> incorrect, I can connect more then 1 connection to my home vpn?
[12:20] <HappyFool> sikor_sxe: linux-headers-386 , possibly replacing -386 with -686 or whatever
[12:21] <drcode> I have 1 conenct but I Want to connect more
[12:21] <incorrect> drcode, yes
[12:21] <HappyFool> sikor_sxe: you should hopefully not require the linux-source package
[12:21] <sikor_sxe> ok i'll try
[12:21] <HappyFool> sikor_sxe: what module are you trying to compile?
[12:21] <bob2> drcode: tinc is a rather nice alternative
[12:22] <drcode> incorrect, so it give me for some reseon only one
[12:22] <drcode> connection
[12:22] <incorrect> read the howto
[12:23] <sikor_sxe> HappyFool: the module's makefile says: "lib/modules/2.6.10/build not found"
[12:23] <HappyFool> sikor_sxe: it should be looking for /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[12:24] <bob2> sikor_sxe: you're using a kernel you compiled yourself?
[12:24] <danwie> I use a small scrip to get my ndiswrapper-wlan working, which i run manually:
[12:24] <danwie> >modprobe ndiswrapper
[12:24] <danwie> >iwconfig wlan0 mode managed
[12:24] <danwie> >iwconfig wlan0 channel XX
[12:24] <danwie> >iwconfig wlan0 nick MYNICK
[12:24] <danwie> >iwconfig wlan0 essid 'MYESSID'
[12:24] <danwie> >iwconfig wlan0 key MYKEY
[12:24] <danwie> >iwconfig wlan0 ap XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
[12:24] <danwie> >iwconfig wlan0 key open
[12:24] <danwie> >dhclient wlan0
[12:24] <danwie> how can I automate this?
[12:24] <HappyFool> rudeness
[12:24] <sikor_sxe> bob2: nope
[12:24] <bob2> danwie: please don't paste long lists of stuff in here
[12:24] <bob2> danwie: and put all those commands in a script, one per line
[12:25] <danwie> bob2: sorry
[12:25] <danwie> bob: I'm new here
[12:25] <bob2> it's considered rude in every irc channel I've been in, *shrug*
[12:26] <HappyFool> sikor_sxe: what module are you trying to compile?
[12:28] <Bramme> i have libxvidcore4 installed but can't play xvid's
[12:28] <sikor_sxe> HappyFool: a wlan module
[12:29] <sikor_sxe> the zd1211 driver
[12:30] <HappyFool> sikor_sxe: ok. i think you'll need to hack the makefile to have the include path be /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build instead of the hardcoded value it is
[12:30] <sikor_sxe> well i did a symbolic link
[12:30] <Bramme> hm, first problem resolved, but now... what do i need to handle ac3 sound ?
[12:31] <HappyFool> sikor_sxe: ok. that worked?
[12:33] <sikor_sxe> HappyFool: yeah it compiled
[12:33] <HappyFool> ok. easier than fiddling with the makefile i guess ;)
[12:35] <sikor_sxe> well make install fails now
[12:35] <HappyFool> error ?
[12:35] <sikor_sxe> have to hack the makefile anyway i guess
[12:36] <sikor_sxe> ok, install worked now aswell
[12:37] <omV0> anybody uses Kate? I am wondering if it has support for Macros
[12:42] <Raskall> what is the smartest way to back up a my sql server? mysqldump and backup of the file or a file backup of /var/lib/mysql?
[12:42] <omV0> lol Gates of Hell
[12:42] <DunkMaster> how can i write to root dir?
[12:43] <Goonie> I have an annoying problem I'm not sure can be fixed but here goes... I mount my windows partition on boot and when I browse to the My Documents folder many of the files there don't appear. Their filenames have Icelandic characters but some other files with Icelandic chars are visible with a symbol instead of the char itself... My question is this: Can I make my linux system recocnize these files or do I have to rename everything and skip the Icelandic
[12:43] <Goonie>  chars?
[12:43] <HappyFool> DunkMaster: use sudo
[12:43] <HappyFool> DunkMaster: what do you want to put there?
[12:43] <DunkMaster> i mean to copy files from /home dir to root/.wine
[12:43] <DunkMaster> /root/.wine
[12:44] <HappyFool> DunkMaster: well, you should be able to use sudo
[12:44] <DunkMaster> okay
[12:44] <DunkMaster> thanx
[12:45] <malte> i'm running breezy, how can i downgrade to hoary?
[12:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> change your sources list and replace "breezy" with "hoary"
[12:48] <malte> Kamping_Kaiser: then what? the thing is, i have several breezy packages that i need to downgrade
[12:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> only single packages? apt-get -f warty install filename
[12:48] <DunkMaster> what is an .XPM file?
[12:48] <keffo> "icon"
[12:48] <DunkMaster> okay
[12:49] <m0rphx> hey, in which package are dmesg and getty?
[12:50] <HappyFool> util-linux
[12:50] <HappyFool> you can find out by doing dpkg -S $(which dmesg) , or something similar
[12:51] <m0rphx> HappyFool: not in my util-linux. yeah, I searched for them like that
[12:51] <m0rphx> they're somehow missing
[12:51] <HappyFool> eek
[12:51] <jinxi> what is the gnome webbrowser called?
[12:52] <HappyFool> firefox is the ubuntu standard; i think there's also galeon
[12:52] <HappyFool> or is it epiphany?
[12:52] <keffo> ff
[12:53] <malte> has anyone any experience with downgrading all packages from breezy to hoary? i'm guessing it's potentially dangerous, is it not?
[12:53] <abedakid> hai fab
[12:53] <Burgundavia> malte, never heard it done succesfully, but I am sure someone has
[12:54] <malte> Burgundavia :\
[12:54] <abedakid> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[12:54] <malte> perhaps i should do a clean install
[12:54] <Burgundavia> malte, yes
[12:54] <abedakid> hai
[12:55] <count0nz> ahhhh  i kinda did it but it did't work
[12:55] <liable> malte: yes re-install, it will be *much* easier
[12:56] <wdh> malte, it is possible.. keyword: apt-pinning.
[12:56] <wdh> malte, a clean install is much faster/easier though
[12:56] <wdh> malte, and surely more fool-proof :)
[12:57] <liable> wdh: no, going down, isnt really possible, unless you seriously know what your doing
[12:57] <abedakid> HIII
[12:57] <malte> wdh: yes, i was contemplating apt-pinning. but it would downgrade 588 packages, which sounded pretty dangerous :)
[12:58] <wdh> liable, as is said.. it _is_ possible.. didnt say it was easy :)
[12:58] <liable> malte: you could try it, the other choice is to re-install anyway, could be fun :)
[12:58] <malte> :)
[12:58] <wdh> s/is/I
[12:58] <liable> wdh: :)
[12:58] <abedakid> HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[12:58] <liable> abedakid: yes hi
[12:58] <liable> we saw you the first time
[12:59] <abedakid> hai  liable?
[01:00] <abedakid> hi dutchy
[01:02] <TJORVEN> how do i mount my ntfs drives???
[01:03] <jinxi> is there desktop search tool for linux, a tool like MS has launched a few days ago
[01:03] <malte> i'm not sure, but beagle might be what you're looking for
[01:03] <HappyFool> mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/<ntfspartition> /path/to/mount/point
[01:07] <TJORVEN> HappyFool, thanks
[01:07] <linukso> jinxi: osX has had that for a while, and novell is working on it. google for beagle...
[01:08] <krystoff> hi there i've a little problem with my toshiba laptop...when i wanna halt it i've the right sequence but i have to manually shutdown it any idea please ?
[01:09] <nicklax> morning every1
[01:09] <nicklax> :)
[01:10] <Seveas> ding-dong
[01:10] <Seveas> good morhing all!
[01:11] <TJORVEN> good mornng
[01:11] <BurgerMann> TJORVEN, can u access that ntfs drive without being root?
[01:12] <Seveas> BurgerMann, when you set your fmask/dmask or umask correctly, you can :)
[01:12] <TJORVEN> BurgerMann, no
[01:13] <HappyFool> actually, my umask is 000, but since it's ro anyway, i don't think it makes any difference
[01:13] <TJORVEN> BurgerMann, its just a kross over it
[01:13] <HappyFool> hrm
[01:13] <Seveas> TJORVEN, but can you read it as non-root?
[01:13] <BurgerMann> TJORVEN, try using an option -o uid=TJORVEN
[01:13] <BurgerMann> when you mount it
[01:13] <TJORVEN> ok
[01:14] <Seveas> Here are examples for ntfs and fat to see how it can work:
[01:14] <Seveas>  /dev/hda7       /data           vfat    rw,uid=dennis,gid=dennis,fmask=0133,dmask=0022 0 0
[01:14] <Seveas>  /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    ro,uid=dennis,gid=dennis,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 0 0
[01:14] <HappyFool> my fstab line is '/dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    ro,umask=000    0       0' and I can read the partition as a user without problems
[01:14] <jinxi> liable, I am trying to install it
[01:14] <morphix> hi all, i have a big problem :/ When i install ubuntu, and when there's time to load GUI... in the second stage that is...the PC just hangs
[01:14] <jinxi> how do I modify , add things to the right click menu?
[01:14] <BurgerMann> HappyFool, hmmn :S
[01:14] <morphix> do you have any idea what could be wrong?
[01:15] <TJORVEN> what mount point must i use
[01:15] <TJORVEN> ?
[01:15] <HappyFool> whatever you want
[01:15] <TJORVEN> doesn't worlk
[01:15] <HappyFool> /mnt/windows is probably pretty standard
[01:16] <TJORVEN> ok
[01:16] <Seveas> HappyFool, i never said it is the only correct way ;)
[01:16] <HappyFool> Seveas: fair enough
[01:16] <TJORVEN> it just says that the mountpoint does not exist..
[01:17] <liable> jinxi: what?
[01:17] <Seveas> TJORVEN: sudo mkdir -p /mnt/windows
[01:17] <Seveas> and retry :)
[01:17] <TJORVEN> Seveas, thanks
[01:18] <nicklax> anyone knows how can i play movies?
[01:19] <nicklax> :D
[01:19] <Seveas> nicklax, probably you need to take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:19] <Burgundavia> nicklax, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:19] <Demontears> mplayer
[01:19] <Burgundavia> Seveas, gah, beat me
[01:19] <HappyFool> nicklax: see ubuntuguide.org or www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:19] <nicklax> thanks guys :D
[01:19] <morphix> help :/
[01:19] <jamiecramb> im trying to mount my external firewire hard drive, can anyone help me?
[01:19] <nicklax> 3 replys, it seems like this is a great community :P
[01:20] <HappyFool> i have sucessfully watched both really good movies and really terrible airwolf episodes using ubuntu
[01:20] <van_> why my PC just hangs when it is time to load GUI in ubuntu? please help
[01:20] <TJORVEN> now it says dev/hda1 doesn't exists
[01:20] <HappyFool> try /dev/hda1
[01:20] <Seveas> TJORVEN, try your actual ntfs partition...
[01:21] <Seveas> van_, no idea, don't you have more information?
[01:21] <van_> like what?
[01:21] <jamiecramb> how do i find out the anem of my external hd's disk / partition?
[01:21] <TJORVEN> Seveas, its like  20 of them how do i know wich one i should mount?
[01:21] <jamiecramb> name*
[01:21] <tga> jamiecramb: dmesg after you plug it in
[01:21] <Seveas> indeed
[01:21] <TJORVEN> and none of the one i have tryed have worked
[01:21] <jamiecramb> tga: ta
[01:21] <tga> jamiecramb: if everything's okay it will be /dev/sda1 or something
[01:21] <HappyFool> TJORVEN: try 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda'
[01:21] <Seveas> jamiecramb, and look for a line with scsi in it
[01:22] <liable> TJORVEN: fdisk -l, pick the ntfs one
[01:22] <Seveas> TJORVEN, try fdisk -l /dev/hda, it will show you which one is the ntfs partition
[01:22] <TJORVEN> thanks
[01:22] <van_> first, i thought it was my video card, but after i changed it, same thing happens..
[01:22] <nicklax> what is the command to list all my hd's ? i mean like /dev/hda and all
[01:22] <TJORVEN> dont like the sound of fdisk though
[01:22] <nicklax> to see the partition table
[01:22] <HappyFool> you can look in /proc/ide for a list
[01:22] <Seveas> van_, can you paste /var/log/xorg.*.log on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[01:22] <HappyFool> fdisk -l just lists the partitions
[01:23] <Ali_Baba> nicklax mount or df also
[01:23] <tga> nicklax: you can play with cfdisk, it will show you the partitions and file systems
[01:23] <van_> Seveas i can't even load ubuntu :/
[01:23] <tga> nicklax: just don't write the partition table to disk
[01:23] <Seveas> van_, try recovery mode
[01:23] <nicklax> tga, i wont :)
[01:23] <nicklax> thanks all
[01:23] <van_> ok thanx
[01:23] <Seveas> van_, you are not using breezy are you..?
[01:23] <TJORVEN> it says hda2 is the one but still i cant mount it
[01:24] <van_> no
[01:24] <nicklax> hehe i see you guys are talking a lot about breezy, can anyone tell me what is it but simple? :D
[01:24] <Seveas> TJORVEN, what is the error?
[01:24] <Seveas> nicklax, it will be the next version of ubuntu
[01:24] <TJORVEN> the special unit doesnt exist
[01:24] <nicklax> Seveas, thanks
[01:24] <Seveas> and it is VERY unstable right now, so it should not be used
[01:24] <jamiecramb> seveas: mind if i put this in a paste bin and see if u can point out where it is?
[01:24] <nicklax> ok ill wait for the final release
[01:25] <Seveas> TJORVEN, did you try mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows -t ntfs (and all the options)
[01:25] <Ali_Baba> hope that gcc transition will be over :)
[01:25] <Seveas> jamiecramb, sure
[01:25] <Seveas> i'll have a look
[01:25] <Ali_Baba> maybe i can update then again
[01:25] <Seveas> Ali_Baba, not yet
[01:25] <Seveas> and there are more transitions going on
[01:26] <TJORVEN> says the same
[01:26] <jamiecramb> seveas: http://phpfi.com/62746
[01:26] <Ali_Baba> ok.have to wait then i guess.
[01:27] <jamiecramb> its a 300 gig drive btw with 1 partition on it
[01:27] <DunkMaster> muhahahahaha
[01:27] <DunkMaster> got wine to work
[01:27] <Seveas> jamiecramb, is it a usb or firewire drive?
[01:27] <jamiecramb> its both but its connected via firewire atm
[01:28] <nicklax> hey, i know that i can uncompress .tar.gz with tar xvfz but..how can i decompress a tar.bz2?
[01:28] <Seveas> ah ok, i have no experience with firewire :|
[01:28] <Seveas> but i do not see it being connected
[01:28] <jamiecramb> np
[01:28] <Seveas> jamiecramb, is it ntfs?
[01:28] <jamiecramb> yah
[01:28] <Seveas> ah ok, so i see something
[01:28] <HappyFool> tar xvfj
[01:28] <Seveas> afaik, ntfs isn't automounted
[01:29] <nicklax> HappyFool, thanks
[01:29] <Seveas> jamiecramb, try mount -t ntfs /dev/sda /mnt/something
[01:29] <jamiecramb> ok
[01:31] <jamiecramb> seveas: mount: /dev/sda already mounted or /media/external busy
[01:31] <Seveas> jamiecramb, hmm
[01:31] <Seveas> try just 'mount' and see if ot lists the drive
[01:32] <jamiecramb> seveas: http://phpfi.com/62751
[01:37] <FreezerXX> I hate firefox.
[01:37] <jesse_> Hi.  I was on earlier and asked how to install KDE onto Ubuntu and was told to use apt-get install kde-desktop.   That doesn't seem to work though.  :(
[01:37] <Seveas> jamiecramb, do you have sata disks?
[01:37] <jamiecramb> yes 1 sata disk 3 partitions on it, windows (main one) and 2 linux partiotns where ubuntu is installed
[01:37] <holycow> FreezerX, i know a copmany in redmon that makes a browser you may be interested in
[01:37] <Seveas> jamiecramb, try mount -t /dev/sdb /mnt/something
[01:37] <holycow> -_-
[01:37] <Riddell> jesse_: kubuntu-desktop
[01:37] <Riddell> jesse_: kubuntu.org/faq.php
[01:38] <jamiecramb> ok
[01:38] <Seveas> of that won't work, try it with sdb1
[01:38] <Seveas> sda is your sata disk :)
[01:38] <FreezerXX> holycow, firefox crashes and freezes ubuntu completely
[01:38] <holycow> well to be fair, YOUR install of ubuntu
[01:39] <holycow> tried reinstalling it?
[01:39] <holycow> upgraded to latest patches?
[01:39] <holycow> i bet you have all of the extensions you could find installed right?
[01:39] <FreezerXX> the message center of ubuntu says that my system is uptodate
[01:39] <jamiecramb> seveas: mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist
[01:40] <holycow> FreezerX, excellent, now how many extensions do you have?
[01:40] <jesse_> kubuntu desktop crashes all the time though.  I wanted to try installing KDE without that if possible.  Or is it the only way.
[01:40] <FreezerXX> I didnt install any extensions
[01:40] <holycow> ah okay
[01:41] <holycow> it freezes ubuntu during what process? starting ff?
[01:41] <Seveas> jamiecramb, and with just sdb?
[01:41] <jamiecramb> same
[01:41] <Seveas> hmm, try plugging it in the usb port
[01:41] <jinxi> can I remount all partitions while running Ubuntu?
[01:41] <enrique> hi
[01:41] <FreezerXX> during browsing and scrolling a website
[01:41] <enrique> cna anyone tell me if it's safe to install unverified packages?
[01:42] <enrique> doing a dist-upgrade
[01:42] <Seveas> enrique, depends on the package
[01:42] <HappyFool> jinxi: what do you want to do? 'mount -a' might be what you want
[01:42] <enrique> i get told some packages couldn't be verified
[01:42] <linukso> enrique: do you invite strangers into you house ... :)
[01:42] <Seveas> enrique, if it is from archive.ubuntu.com it is safe
[01:42] <enrique> they're gaim packages and so
[01:42] <jamiecramb> plugged in, what command will i try?
[01:42] <Seveas> if you use backports or marillat, it is not
[01:42] <holycow> FreezerX, interesting, all websites or just a particular one?
[01:42] <enrique> i do use backports
[01:42] <omV0> what is the easiest way to know where an executable is located? i'm trying to find where bmp is installed...
[01:42] <Seveas> jamiecramb, first do dmesg and paste on the pastebin :)
[01:42] <enrique> then i shouldn't?
[01:43] <jamiecramb> hmm
[01:43] <holycow> FreezerX, do you have any plugins installed? java? vlc? mplayer?
[01:43] <HappyFool> omV0: which execname
[01:43] <jamiecramb> wait its auto mounted...
[01:43] <Seveas> enrique, DON'T use backports, they are evil
[01:43] <Seveas> nice jamiecramb :)
[01:43] <FreezerXX> holycow, I think it the moment, when firefox tries to block a popup.
[01:43] <Seveas> jamiecramb, baybe you can find more info on the firewire part on the forums
[01:43] <Seveas> maybe*
[01:43] <holycow> heh
[01:43] <DunkMaster> hi Seveas
[01:44] <omV0> HappyFool: thanks!!!
[01:44] <enrique> Seveas: shall i just then use official repositories ONLY?
[01:44] <Seveas> enrique, that is the best
[01:44] <jamiecramb> ok ta for ur help seveas :)
[01:44] <tga> @#$@#$ I sudo halted the wrong machine again
[01:44] <Seveas> lol tga :)
[01:45] <Raptoid> sudo -s -H -V 003 -d
[01:45] <DunkMaster> Seveas: i had to reinstall ubuntu, but now all works
[01:45] <enrique> ok
[01:45] <enrique> thanks Seveas ;)
[01:45] <Seveas> DunkMaster, nice to know
[01:45] <DunkMaster> and i got wine
[01:45] <DunkMaster> weeee
[01:45] <DunkMaster> lol
[01:45] <Seveas> DunkMaster, please don't screw things up anymore, ok?
[01:45] <Seveas> ;)
[01:45] <DunkMaster> ok
[01:45] <DunkMaster> :)
[01:45] <DunkMaster> will be very carefull with sudo
[01:49] <nikolaus> how compatible is ubuntu with debain-sarge? and if there is a compatibility, will there be one in the future too?
[01:50] <DunkMaster> bbl
[01:51] <Seveas> nikolaus, ubuntu is based on debian sid, so most package in ubuntu are newer than the ones in sarge
[01:51] <chocoIate> is debian-sarge any good :o
[01:51] <Seveas> chocoIate, it's very good
[01:51] <chocoIate> would that fix my problem with driver issues :o
[01:52] <Seveas> no :)
[01:52] <chocoIate> :/
[01:52] <Seveas> debian is even more picky about non-free stuff
[01:52] <chocoIate> i still aint got a working modem
[01:52] <chocoIate> :(
[01:52] <Seveas> that sucks
[01:52] <Seveas> so cdc-acm didn't work?
[01:53] <chocoIate> yep. I'm left with a last option ; and thats to purchase an avm fritz modem, it seems avm is providing lin drivers for all their models
[01:53] <Seveas> chocoIate, eeeek
[01:53] <chocoIate> well, all those steps worked Seveas ; without any problems
[01:53] <Seveas> fritz is non-free too
[01:53] <Seveas> best option is to buy a modem that connects over  serial port
[01:53] <chocoIate> so what do you recommend my purchasing
[01:54] <chocoIate> well, i have seen a few modems that connect over serial but they dont have lin drivers supplied
[01:54] <Seveas> chocoIate, generic modem drivers will do there
[01:54] <chocoIate> i'm afraid to purchase and then find out i'm in the same situation i am in now
[01:54] <hemppa> when i click cdrom icon ubuntu opens window that haven't "back" and "up" buttons
[01:54] <Seveas> chocoIate, then purchase one and on purchase reserve the right to trade it it when it doesn't work with linux
[01:55] <hemppa> how i can get those buttons
[01:55] <Seveas> i do that sometimes at my local hardware shop
[01:55] <chocoIate> by the way Seveas ; i tried out all those steps from yesteday and i got to modprobe all those modules etc
[01:55] <chocoIate> however after all that in the end when i do a pon, nothing happens :S
[01:55] <Seveas> hemppa, in that window you go to edit->preferences
[01:55] <chocoIate> see, i'm unable to make the connection and dial, and i dont even know if i got it working or not
[01:55] <Seveas> hemppa, then go to the behaviour tab
[01:56] <hemppa> ok
[01:56] <Seveas> hemppa, and then select always open in browser windows
[01:56] <Seveas> chocoIate, hmm, sounds like it should almost be working
[01:56] <hemppa> great, thanks a lot
[01:56] <chocoIate> how do i configure isdn now is what i want to know, i guess the usb parts are working or should be
[01:57] <Seveas> chocoIate, post it on the mailing list, together with the output of dmesg and the steps you have taken. I'm sure there are dial-up experts to help you through this last part
[01:57] <chocoIate> i am unable to find a proper guide online
[01:57] <chocoIate> oh, how do i get on the mailing list :o
[01:57] <jinxi> hi
[01:57] <chocoIate> i use google groups
[01:57] <jinxi> can I do this?
[01:57] <jinxi> mount -o remount /
[01:57] <Seveas> chocoIate, http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
[01:58] <chocoIate> is that on usenet :o
[01:58] <Seveas> chocoIate, you have to subscribe there
[01:58] <Seveas> no it's a mailing list, so it's e-mail
[01:58] <chocoIate> oh
[01:58] <liable> chocoIate: install wvdial
[01:58] <othernoob> what does "setting sensors limits" mean during booting ?
[01:59] <chocoIate> liable : wvdialconf create just comes back to tell me that there is no modem detected
[01:59] <liable> chocoIate: hmm, ok, one sec
[01:59] <glassor> hey, im trying to play dvix/xvid files with totem but i get an error massges about codecs.. i installed the mplayer codecs under /usr/local/lib/codecs any suggestions ?
[02:00] <edwin> hi, after editing/etc/profile, do i need to restart the machine for the changes take effect?
[02:00] <liable> chocoIate: whats the actual modem your using?
[02:00] <chocoIate> psion gold port ISDN
[02:01] <Seveas> edwin, /etc/profile is parsed for every shell you open
[02:01] <edwin> icic, thx
[02:01] <chocoIate> in device manger its listed as VIgor 128 ISDN TA
[02:01] <chocoIate> no idea why, but i dont think it matters
[02:04] <Ali_Baba> othernoob: setting sensors that give you information about temperatures and volts etc.
[02:05] <othernoob> Ali_Baba okay, mmh, it fails on my pc, would you know why ?
[02:07] <linukso> glassor: install gtreamer-plugin
[02:07] <bdmp> Can someone tell me where linux stores program files like gaim?
[02:07] <liable> chocoIate: this is usb, not pcmcia, right?
[02:07] <Ali_Baba> othernoob: im not sure,it failed first with me too.try sensors-detect
[02:07] <Ali_Baba> on terminal.
[02:07] <linukso> bdmp: binaries in /usr/bin
[02:07] <bdmp> thanks
[02:08] <linukso> bdmp: but /usr/bin should be in you path, so you can just type gaim
[02:08] <rwabel_> ubuntu forum is down right?
[02:08] <Burgundavia> bdmp, is there are reason you need to know where they are?
[02:08] <Burgundavia> rwabel_, not for me
[02:08] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[02:08] <rwabel_> strange
[02:08] <Burgundavia> does that link work?
[02:08] <rwabel_> no
[02:09] <linukso> bdmp: if you search for gaim in synaptic you can rightclick on it and take a look at all the files that is in that package
[02:09] <rwabel_> mhh I've to try it with another browser than firefox
[02:09] <Ali_Baba> othernoob: i got my sensors working after i updated my ubuntu.not sure how :)
[02:09] <chocoIate> yeah, this is an external usb modem
[02:09] <chocoIate> not pci, not pcmcia
[02:09] <count0nz> Forums works here and i am in New Zealand :)
[02:09] <rwabel_> burgundavia: you was right...just didn't work in my firefox today. don't know why.
[02:10] <bdmp> I am trying to install a plugin that will make the Japanese font in Gaim larger. So I have to put it in the plugin folder
[02:10] <bdmp> I found the .bin file but no folder
[02:10] <linukso> bdmp: you can just put it in ~/.gaim/plugins
[02:10] <latis> any1 got cedega running in ubuntu?
[02:10] <bdmp> where is that folder
[02:11] <linukso> bdmp: in you home directory
[02:11] <bdmp> oh
[02:11] <bdmp> Thanks
[02:11] <linukso> or you have to make
[02:11] <linukso> it
[02:11] <bdmp> Ah the squiggle means my home directory?
[02:11] <linukso> bdmp: ~ means /home/"your username"/
[02:11] <bdmp> cool thanks
[02:12] <rwabel_> brgundavia: problem were cookies. I deleted them and now it's working again..guess firefox get in trouble after a crash (hell does that browser crash often)
[02:13] <Burgundavia> rwabel_, funny, I have only had it crash once in the past 2 months
[02:14] <rwabel_> brugundavia: unlucky me :-) and I'm using the latest version...I don't give up the hope that onetime it will work as under windows
[02:15] <Burgundavia> rwabel_, I am running 1.0.4 on breezy, with no breakage yet
[02:15] <Ali_Baba> me too :)
[02:16] <rwabel_> I'm still under hoary with backported firefox
[02:16] <chocoIate> brb
[02:16] <Seveas> ah backports
[02:16] <rwabel_> I'm waiting some more months before updating to breezy
[02:16] <Seveas> backports suck
[02:16] <latis> hey, plz. How do I install lib32?
[02:16] <rwabel_> only way to get the fixed version
[02:16] <liable> chocoIate: ok, so all the modules were loaded and then you ran wvdialconf, and it didnt find it?
[02:16] <latis> I just have /usr/lib
[02:16] <latis> need /usr/lib32
[02:16] <Seveas> rwabel_, no, FF in ubuntu has all fixes
[02:16] <rwabel_> seveas: don't like having some important bugs in it
[02:17] <rwabel_> seveas: but firefox 1.0.4 is only in backport
[02:17] <Seveas> rwabel_, well, FF in ubuntu has all bugs fixed (all 1.0.4 patches appllied)
[02:17] <Seveas> seems like 1.0.4 in backports introduces new bugs
[02:17] <Seveas> once again, backports suck
[02:18] <rwabel_> where do you know that there are new bugs?
[02:18] <Seveas> AndyR, breezy is in X.org and C++ transition
[02:18] <rwabel_> new mono rules from backport btw :-)
[02:18] <Seveas> rwabel_, every new feature introduces new bugs, that's simply a fact
[02:18] <HappyFool> i think one of the principles is that security and other critical fixes will be included in updates
[02:18] <Seveas> and the fact that your FF crashes says something too
[02:19] <rwabel_> seveas: right, but 1.0.4 is 1.0.4 and ubuntu doesn't upgrade to 1.0.4 because they introduced new features among fixing some security holes
[02:19] <Seveas> rwabel_, well, good luck upgrading to an official ubuntu mono
[02:19] <Seveas> that'll give you hell
[02:19] <Seveas> since the backport will have screwed up a lot
[02:19] <Seveas> rwabel_, again: FF in ubuntu is patched with all FF 1.0.4 security fixes
[02:20] <Seveas> so there really is no need to use backports
[02:20] <Seveas> darkaudit, you've been lucke then :)
[02:20] <darkaudit> Seveas: but the firefox site rejects it as being their current version
[02:20] <bdmp> I got another question the faq says put the plugin file in the plugins folder and then run " Go into your gaim/plugins dir in your extrated gaim source. Save unicode.c into that dir, make sure you have a ~/.gaim/plugins dir and then do $make unicode.so
[02:20] <bdmp> $cp unicode.so ~/.gaim/plugins/
[02:20] <bdmp> " but the firest command "make" comes back with "make: *** No rule to make target `unicode.so'.  Stop. What rule do I need?
[02:20] <Seveas> darkaudit, let it fake its User-Agent string...
[02:20] <rwabel_> seveas: didn't know that they updated to 1.0.4...must have taken a while then
[02:21] <bdmp> oops. that didn't make sense
[02:21] <Seveas> bdmp, not really :)
[02:22] <darkaudit> Hoary's FF is even behind Sarge at this point...
[02:22] <N3OP5YcH-e> #EffACE
[02:22] <Seveas> N3OP5YcH-e, stop spamming...
[02:22] <Seveas> dark, hoary is frozen. sarge not.
[02:23] <Seveas> well, sarge is now
[02:23] <Seveas> but it gor frozen later
[02:23] <N3OP5YcH-e> misteak
[02:23] <N3OP5YcH-e> there is no such channel
[02:23] <AndyR> best to do a hoary -->> breezy update or use a daily iso if there is 1?
[02:23] <N3OP5YcH-e> trying to reach a friend
[02:23] <bdmp> I got another question. the faq says put the plugin file in the plugins folder and then run " $cp unicode.so ~/.gaim/plugins/
[02:23] <bdmp>  " but the firest command "make" comes back with "make: *** No rule to make target `unicode.so'.  Stop. What rule do I need?
[02:23] <Seveas> AndyR, best stay on hoary ;)
[02:23] <Seveas> but there is a colony cd already
[02:23] <Seveas> use that one
[02:24] <darkaudit> AndyR: neither... there is major breakage in progress
[02:24] <Seveas> and don't upgrade that for a week because there is breakage going on npw
[02:24] <AndyR> ok i will wait a bit then
[02:24] <Seveas> AndyR, the colony cd can be used
[02:25] <AudioDef> Has anyone successfully gotten the screen res over 800x600 on an Intel 855GM integrated graphics chipset? Nothing I've done, including Intel's own drivers and 855resolution, seems to work.
[02:25] <darkaudit> breakage like Ralphie's Toyota this morning @ Monaco :)
[02:25] <Seveas> lol darkaudit
[02:25] <AndyR> colony cd?
[02:26] <Seveas> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-1/
[02:28] <edwin> how to setup global variable?? i tried altering /etc/profile, but it doesn't work
[02:28] <bdmp> I'm really sorry.  I messed it up again. I am following a faq.  It says " Go into your gaim/plugins dir in your extrated gaim source. Save unicode.c into that dir, make sure you have a ~/.gaim/plugins dir and then do $make unicode.so
[02:28] <bdmp> $cp unicode.so ~/.gaim/plugins/" But I get "make: *** No rule to make target `unicode.so'.  Stop.
[02:28] <bdmp> " after the first command.  What rule do I need?
[02:28] <albertor> hi
[02:28] <albertor> I have a question
[02:29] <HappyFool> albertor: ask ;)
[02:29] <albertor> where is the file to configure the boot on ubuntu_
[02:29] <albertor> ?
[02:29] <Seveas>  /boot/grub.menu.lst
[02:30] <HappyFool> edwin: what variable are you trying to set, and why?
[02:30] <albertor> I found that, thank you
[02:30] <edwin> i need to add /usr/local/java to path and then i need to make a java_home variable
[02:31] <HappyFool> edwin: do you need this only in shells, or also in the desktop?
[02:31] <count0nz> bdmp,  what happens if you just type make unicoke.c
[02:31] <edwin> both i guess, i need this to run eclipse
[02:32] <Seveas> count0nz, that's stupid :)
[02:32] <HappyFool> edwin: you can edit ~/.bashrc, adding something like 'export PATH=$PATH:/usr/loca/java' and 'export JAVA_HOME=<whatever>'
[02:32] <HappyFool> ah
[02:32] <HappyFool> editing .bashrc only applies for shells
[02:32] <Seveas> bdmp did you get a Makefile?
[02:32] <Seveas> or just unicode.c?
[02:32] <HappyFool> edwin: i'm not sure where to set PATH
[02:32] <count0nz> Seveas, i thourt he was typeing make unicode.so
[02:32] <bdmp> just the unicode .c
[02:33] <HappyFool> edwin: i think it might be /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf (for PATH)
[02:33] <Seveas> bdmp, try this: gcc -o unicode.so -shared -Wall -O3 unicode.c
[02:33] <bdmp> ok
[02:33] <count0nz> Seveas, :) that looks better.. i'me 1/2 asleep
[02:34] <HappyFool> edwin: for other variables I added a file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ with a name like 50xorg-custom and a line 'export JAVA_HOME = <whatever>'
[02:34] <DunkMaster> hello again
[02:34] <DunkMaster> i forgot one thing
[02:34] <DunkMaster> when i play MP3s in XMMS , it hangs
[02:34] <Seveas> DunkMaster, change the xmms output to esound
[02:34] <DunkMaster> Seveas, i know that, but where
[02:34] <DunkMaster> ive done it b4
[02:34] <DunkMaster> but i forgot
[02:35] <Seveas> DunkMaster, and try beep-media-player too, it's a gtk2 port of xmms
[02:35] <bdmp> Seveas: I got a lot back. Is there something I am looking for?
[02:35] <Seveas> bdmp, paste the output on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[02:35] <Seveas> DunkMaster, output_plugin=/usr/lib/xmms/Output/libesdout.so
[02:35] <Seveas> in ~/.xmms/config
[02:35] <bdmp> is that a channel ? can i do  /join #ubuntu...?
[02:35] <DunkMaster> ok
[02:36] <DunkMaster> ty
[02:36] <Seveas> bdmp, it's a website: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[02:36] <bdmp> ok
[02:37] <bdmp> Seveas: did it.
[02:38] <Seveas> bdmp, hmm, looks like it's not gonna work :)
[02:39] <Seveas> bdmp, where did you get it, i want to take a look at it
[02:39] <Tron|BoRG> Hi, has anyone had problems getting gnome-art installed?
[02:39] <bdmp> http://oregonstate.edu/~siefkenj/programming/gaimunicodeplugin.php
[02:39] <Tron|BoRG> or should I say: working
[02:40] <Funraiser> Tron|BoRG, never
[02:40] <Tron|BoRG> ok hehe
[02:40] <Seveas> bdmp, ah, you need to put it in the extracted sources, figures :)
[02:40] <Seveas> bdmp, hang on
[02:41] <Seveas> i'll build it for you
[02:41] <naderman> hello, I just installed ubuntu, I need ndiswrapper to load a driver for my wlan card, I downloaded on a different machine and put it on a usb stick, but ubuntu doesn't recognize the stick, I am using warty cause I cannot update before I have an internet connection.
[02:41] <r0d> is their a function in apt-get to search for packages?
[02:41] <naderman> r0d: apt-cache search xxx
[02:41] <r0d> dont see one in the man, thought i'd ask anyways..
[02:41] <r0d> kool
[02:41] <Funraiser> hi everybody ;-) i have a question: could someone tell me if he can connect to http://www.magnatune.com with xine (select a song with xine) because since i installed kubuntu it's not working anymore...:-/
[02:42] <r0d> apt-cache search amap
[02:42] <r0d> didnt work in bash....somethings wrong
[02:42] <naderman> well doesn't find anything for me, but I don't have an internet connection atm ^_^
[02:43] <Funraiser> naderman, talking to me?
[02:43] <Tron|BoRG> Funraiser: are you using gnome-art now?
[02:43] <count0nz> r0d, you may need to apt-get install apt-cache
[02:43] <HappyFool> r0d: what error do you get?
[02:43] <r0d> it sees some apps. not as big as portage but better than nothing
[02:43] <naderman> Funraiser: to r0d
[02:44] <r0d> it just didnt see my request thats all. shouldnt of called it an error. sorry
[02:44] <Seveas> r0d, if apt-cache doesn;t find something: make sure you have universe and multiverse enabled
[02:45] <Funraiser> Tron|BoRG, well i installed stuff from http://art.gnome.org/ yes, and it worked, is that your question?
[02:45] <Funraiser> so nobody for http://www.magnatune.com with xine?
[02:45] <cusco> ReAd: hi ya
[02:45] <ReAd> hey :D
[02:45] <r0d> thx Seveas  i do
[02:46] <naderman> do I need to have any other modules than usbcore loaded to make hotplug recognize the usb stick?
[02:46] <cusco> I everyone... I just converted my friend ReAd to use ubuntu... altho his soundcard is not working
[02:46] <Tron|BoRG> Funraiser: I am reffering to this: http://www.miketech.net/gnome-art/
[02:46] <cusco> we both would like to fix that!
[02:46] <cusco> any ideas please?
[02:46] <ubuntu> well this is nice sound not working here either
[02:46] <cusco> ubuntu: :(
[02:46] <ubuntu> audigy here
[02:46] <Seveas> cusco/ReAd, what type of soundcard?
[02:47] <r0d> is their a way to customize your kernel in the installation of ubuntu? because the basic kernel seems bloated. I know i can compile myself one.
[02:47] <ReAd> SIS si7012
[02:47] <nubbe> How do I schedule a fsck (with repair) on the next boot (ext3)?
[02:47] <Seveas> r0d, the easiest is to apt-get source the kernel source and change the .config
[02:47] <naderman> ReAd: doesn't it work with ac97 codec?
[02:47] <Funraiser> Tron|BoRG, oh i never used it, i download directly from art.gnome.org and it works...(?)
[02:47] <r0d> so i have to install first before customizing Seveas ?
[02:48] <GNAM> server tracker down
[02:48] <cusco> naderman: how can we install ac97 codec?
[02:48] <Seveas> r0d, apt-get source downloads the ubuntu kernel source
[02:48] <Seveas> it's easier to start from there and remove unneeded things :)
[02:48] <naderman> ReAd: I think you should have loaded snd_ac97_codec, and for me it was in the normal ubuntu
[02:48] <resiak> cusco: What chipset is it?
[02:48] <r0d> i c. thx alittle different to what im use to.
[02:48] <resiak> cusco: Search in lsmod's output.
[02:48] <naderman> cusco: try lsmod|grep snd_ac97_codec
[02:48] <resiak> cusco: More to the point, lsmod | grep modem
[02:49] <resiak> cusco: (trust me on this one.)
[02:49] <ka24> nubbe: touch /forcefsck will do, or shutdown -F -r
[02:49] <ReAd> snd_ac97_codec         64608  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_intel8x0
[02:49] <ReAd> snd_pcm                84872  4 snd_emu10k1,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
[02:49] <ReAd> snd                    50276  10 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_hwdep,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[02:50] <ReAd> naderman,
[02:50] <nubbe> ka24, Thanks a lot
[02:50] <r0d> ubuntu is so easy to install. i love it. I'm coming from a gentoo installation and this is heaven...
[02:50] <resiak> No _modem stuff? :(
[02:50] <naderman> hmm, looks as if it should work, no idea in that case ReAd
[02:50] <cusco> resiak: no modem stuff :(
[02:50] <ubuntu> im just giving the live cd a blast - im impressed
[02:50] <resiak> cusco: Oh well. It was worth a shot. That's the standard problem. I'll shut up again.
[02:51] <cusco> lol...
[02:51] <cusco> we will try the foruns
[02:51] <naderman> anybody for my question?
[02:51] <Seveas> cusco, try the mailing lists too, that's where the devs hang out :)
[02:51] <ubuntu> total novice sorry
[02:52] <cusco> lol... thanks Seveas
[02:52] <nubbe> ka24, do I need to remove /forcefsck after check or just touch it next time I need to check?
[02:52] <ka24> not sure whether it removes that or not.. my guess would be that you have to do it
[02:53] <Funraiser> please can someone try this website with xine and tell me if it works? http://www.magnatune.com :-)
[02:53] <bdmp> What file fundraiser?
[02:53] <Funraiser> any
[02:53] <bdmp> mp3?
[02:53] <Funraiser> just pick a song
[02:54] <theD3viL> where in gaim you can set bigger fonts ?
[02:54] <bdmp> It has to be on your end I bet
[02:54] <bdmp> Weird
[02:54] <bdmp> that was my question
[02:54] <Funraiser> bdmp, it's a stream, u can choose any song
[02:54] <naderman> do I need to use any args at booting to make hotplug work?
[02:54] <bdmp> You can set out going fonts or change the font in Gtk
[02:54] <bdmp> But that changes all the fonts
[02:55] <nubbe> ka24, okidoki
[02:55] <Seveas> bdmp, the plugin fails to compile
[02:55] <bdmp> I am trying to do it right now
[02:55] <bdmp> thats ok
[02:55] <Seveas> i'm still investigating why
[02:55] <omV0> is there any way to make Evolution not play a sound when detecting junk mail? it auto-deletes the message but still plays a "new message" sound..
[02:55] <bob2> naderman: no
[02:55] <bob2> naderman: why do you ask?
[02:56] <naderman> cause it doens't work for me
[02:56] <bdmp> I think just changing the font in gtk might be better and theD3vil just asked about it
[02:56] <naderman> my usb stick is not detected
[02:56] <naderman> (not detected, it's not only not mounted)
[02:56] <bob2> naderman: the kernel doesn't even notice?
[02:56] <naderman> yep
[02:56] <nubbe> is there any defragger in hoary or do I need for example "defrag"?
[02:56] <nikolaus> is it better to install glade-gnome than just glade packagae?
[02:57] <bob2> nubbe: you don't need one, and there isn't one
[02:57] <bob2> nikolaus: do you want to make gnome applications?
[02:57] <van_> hi, now i got X running, but can't get my mouse working. I tried /dev/mouse and /dev/tty00 .. none of them works
[02:57] <bob2> (I don't think there's any reason to prefer glade over glade-gnome)
[02:57] <liable> cusco: lspci |grep audio
[02:57] <nubbe> bob2, really???? how is that possible?
[02:57] <r0d> whats the command to see all your deamons running?
[02:57] <bigfoot> hi all: I need to make a small change in the Menu. How do I edit the "command line" of one of the launchers? One person in the past helped me thru it, but I forgot what the instructions were. We didn't need to download any additional software. (I just want to change the command for FX).
[02:58] <bdmp> theDevil: are you there?
[02:58] <bob2> r0d: there isn't one, really...'ps aux | grep -v ^yourusername' is sorta close
[02:58] <naderman> nubbe: you aren't using ntfs ;-)
[02:58] <bob2> nubbe: linux filesystems really don't get very fragmented
[02:58] <r0d> bummer
[02:58] <nubbe> naderman, hehe
[02:58] <nubbe> okay then
[02:58] <bob2> it's not really possible to "get a list of running daemons" on unix
[02:59] <r0d> is their a quick way to start a deamon?
[02:59] <bob2> which one?
[02:59] <DunkMaster> ok, im off
[02:59] <DunkMaster> ty for the help
[02:59] <ReAd> liable,
[02:59] <nikolaus> can i ubgrade gcc3.3 to gcc4, because when i select tu uninstall gcc3. half of ubuntu will be deinstalled
[02:59] <ReAd> 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)
[02:59] <ReAd> 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 06)
[02:59] <ReAd> liable,
[02:59] <r0d> any
[02:59] <Seveas> bigfoot, slocate firefox.desktop
[02:59] <Seveas> and edit that
[02:59] <bob2> nikolaus: what are you trying to do?
[02:59] <bob2> r0d: they all start on boot
[02:59] <cusco> liable: its ReAd whos having the problem.. I just converted him to ubuntu
[02:59] <liable> oh
[02:59] <r0d> well in gentoo theirs rc-update which starts spefic one. so say i compile something new
[02:59] <Seveas> bdmp, the plugin won't compilr
[03:00] <Seveas> compile*
[03:00] <bob2> ReAd: disable your on board one in the bios, if at all possible
[03:00] <r0d> it just starts?
[03:00] <bdmp> thats cool
[03:00] <naderman> bob2: got an idea, why the kernel doesn't notice the usb device?
[03:00] <bob2> r0d: you don't "compile something new" in ubuntu
[03:00] <bob2> r0d: when you install things, they start up, yes
[03:00] <bdmp> Seveas, thanks for all your help
[03:00] <r0d> thats sweet
[03:00] <Seveas> yw
[03:00] <bob2> r0d: you can just call the init script to stop them if you like, sudo /etc/init.d/ssh stop, for instance
[03:00] <bob2> r0d: or sudo invoke-rc.d ssh stop
[03:00] <liable> ReAd: whats lsmod say then, that should get loaded
[03:00] <bob2> naderman: do other usb devices work?
[03:00] <r0d> i c, thx bob2
[03:00] <bob2> r0d: np
[03:01] <bob2> nikolaus: ie, why do you want to remove gcc3?
[03:01] <bdmp> Seveas, I got a hell of a Kaffeine problem if you wanna help me with that.
[03:01] <liable> ReAd: dont post the whole lot here
[03:01] <Seveas> sorry, i don't use kde
[03:01] <naderman> bob2: no
[03:01] <bdmp> its ok. Thanks though
[03:01] <bob2> naderman: you've checked?
[03:02] <naderman> I checked a mouse and a usb stick
[03:02] <ReAd> bob2 the one I would like it to work is the onboard one
[03:02] <nitrox> I just loaded ubuntu on my Gateway 400SD4 laptop and browsing killing me
[03:02] <bob2> ReAd: run: echo emu10k1 | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist, and reboot
[03:02] <nitrox> I says resolving host and I know connection is good
[03:02] <naderman> bob2: just to make sure, tail -f /var/log/messages should show me a message if it detected anything, shouldn't it?
[03:03] <nitrox> I never added some more DNS to see if it would resolve better and still no luck
[03:03] <bob2> naderman: I'm not sure, but "dmesg" certainly would
[03:03] <nitrox> Anyone got any ideas
[03:03] <anir> hello
[03:03] <anir> how are you all
[03:03] <son_of_jd> How do i make a new User? My dad is trying to make one.
[03:03] <anir> can i play tv on ubuntu.. xawtv is not working
[03:04] <bob2> son_of_jd: sudo adduser username
[03:04] <son_of_jd> ok thankyou
[03:04] <Seveas> son_of_jd, system -> administration -> users and groups
[03:04] <bob2> son_of_jd: you can probably do it through something in the system -> adminustratoin -> menu
[03:04] <Seveas> son_of_jd, click "add user"
[03:04] <anir> son_of_jd, cumputer>user and group
[03:04] <naderman> bob2: hmm, there is a "USB HC takeOver failed!"
[03:04] <nitrox> Please is anyone knows a way to make ubuntu resolve host fast please help me
[03:04] <son_of_jd> ok
[03:05] <ReAd> bob2, tks brb
[03:05] <naderman> bob2: but it says that for all usb controllers
[03:05] <son_of_jd> wait, you misunderstood me LOL
[03:05] <bob2> naderman: that's bad
[03:05] <son_of_jd> a new user on gaim, not the system
[03:05] <Seveas> rofl :)
[03:05] <naderman> bob2: what does it mean?
[03:05] <son_of_jd> lol
[03:05] <Seveas> son_of_jd, a new account or an existing one?
[03:06] <son_of_jd> how do i do that?
[03:06] <nitrox> take like 45sec to resolve a host name on the net
[03:06] <Seveas> for the latter: tools-> accounts in the gaim buddy list
[03:06] <bigfoot> seveas, i did a search on "firefox.desktop" in "search for files." I got 2 results under "filesystem". 1. /usr/share/applications    2. /usr/share/gnome-app-install. The filenames were both mozilla-firefox.desktop.  I doubleclicked the files. I don't see the change in command that I did. You see, a few days ago, I got FX 1.04 from mozilla.org. Some kind person in this chatroom helped me changed the shortcuts on my panel and in Applications/Intern
[03:06] <bigfoot> et menu. But afterwards, I deleted FF1.04 from my system. But I forgot how to edit it.
[03:06] <son_of_jd> ok thankyou
[03:07] <bobby_pendragon> it worked!
[03:08] <bobby_pendragon> thankyou seveas
[03:08] <Seveas> what did i do? :)
[03:08] <knase> Need help with to close x server in ubuntu. please
[03:08] <bob2> knase: why?
[03:09] <Seveas> knase, do you want to shutdown, restart or remove the X server?
[03:09] <bob2> knase: if you're trying to install the nvidia binary only drivers, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:09] <nitrox> Ubuntu taking forever to resolve a host name on the net has anyone experience this before
[03:09] <bob2> nitrox: yes, lots of people have
[03:09] <knase> Im trying to install nvidia graphics drivers
[03:09] <bob2> nitrox: search the user list archives and the faq
[03:09] <van_> where could my mouse be? /dev/mouse and /dev/tty00 not working. please help
[03:09] <bob2> knase: then read that wiki page
[03:09] <knase> okej
[03:09] <bob2> van_: you're being too vague...do you mean "Where is the device for my serial mouse?"?
[03:10] <van_> yes
[03:10] <bob2> it's one of the /dev/ttySn devices
[03:10] <bob2> try ttyS1 if it's not S0
[03:10] <bigfoot> is there a way to keep Firefox to one window only, even if I accidentally click the launcher again?
[03:10] <van_> ok thanx bob2
[03:11] <toresbe> I've got a DeskJet printer, which most likely was powered off while CUPS was streaming data to it. When I power it on it prints junk, of course - but I've cancelled the job in CUPS. I presume the data still lies in a kernel-level parport buffer - is there any way to clear that buffer?
[03:12] <r0d> what does ubuntu for system updates?
[03:12] <r0d> use for system updates i mean
[03:12] <bob2> r0d: "use"? it uses the apt system.
[03:13] <naderman> meh looks, like I need to update my bios @_@
[03:13] <r0d> ok, so i have to manually do it myself? because i just recieved some type of update program that asked me to re compile some software
[03:13] <bob2> just received? what do you mean?
[03:14] <_simple> why when i try to remove alsa-base and the other alsa thing it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[03:14] <r0d> ok in my gnome enviroment their was a program in my taskbar that showed some out of day programs, and basicly gave me the option to update. didnt have a name of the program
[03:15] <bob2> right
[03:15] <_simple> if it wasn't authenticated or something , it wouldn't install
[03:15] <bob2> that's update-notifier
[03:15] <bob2> if you let it update, it uses some program that knows about apt to download and install packages for you
[03:15] <bob2> nothing gets recompiled, just downloaded and installed
[03:15] <_simple> so if you installed it, you're probably fine
[03:15] <_simple> if that's the worry
[03:15] <knase> What should I do about this message = Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". ? please help
[03:16] <_simple> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[03:16] <_simple>   alsa-base alsa-utils gdm ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop
[03:16] <bob2> knase: go read the page I told you about again and follow the instructions fro mthe start
[03:16] <_simple> uh no thanks?
[03:16] <r0d> i c
[03:16] <bob2> _simple: then don't remove alsa-base
[03:16] <knase> What should I do about this message = Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". ? please help
[03:16] <bob2> ubuntu-desktop Depends on it for a reason
[03:17] <bob2> knase: please just read the wiki page again
[03:17] <_simple> well i want to remove it for the newest version out
[03:17] <knase> I do not understand
[03:17] <_simple> 1.0.9rc3
[03:17] <_simple> it's 1.0.8
[03:17] <bob2> why?
[03:17] <_simple> since that's what my onboard audio drive needs
[03:17] <knase> I installed linux yesterday, Im really bad at this
[03:17] <_simple> the newest builds
[03:17] <bob2> I doubt it cares about alsa-base at all
[03:17] <_simple> and alsa-utils
[03:17] <bob2> it may need a newer kernel driver, but that's a different issue
[03:17] <_simple> theres alsa-utils 1.0.9rc3
[03:18] <bob2> in breezy perhaps
[03:18] <_simple> and this one is 1.0.8, will it overwrite the old one?
[03:19] <Geoffrian> Why are there so many people in this room and so few talking?
[03:19] <HappyFool> we're all too shy and retiring
[03:20] <topaspv> hi all! i've got a problem, probably someone can help me.. i have two pcs. the first is connected to the internet and should share it with the second pc. now, both pcs are able to ping each bother but the second just won't ping internetsources. i tried to install firestarter but it doesn't realy help. so, has anyone any advice?
[03:20] <bob2> topaspv: remove firestarter. reboot. install ipmasq.
[03:20] <topaspv> ok, i'll try
[03:20] <topaspv> thanks
[03:21] <Anubis> is the ubuntu backport repo back up?
[03:21] <van_> hi, i'm back... /dev/ttyS1, /dev/ttyS0 doesn't work either :/
[03:21] <bob2> van_: you're sure it's a serial mouse?
[03:22] <Seveaz> van_, /dev/input/mice | /dev/input/mouse0 | /dev/input/mouse1
[03:22] <bob2> Seveaz: the kernel magically redirects serial ports to those files?
[03:23] <Seveaz> bob2, no idea, he said he didn't know where his mouse was (without specs for the mouse) so i give him some locations where mice can be...
[03:25] <van_> hi, i'm back...so nothing works :/ /dev/ttyS1 and /dev/ttyS0 too
[03:25] <bob2> 23:21:47 @         bob2 | van_: you're sure it's a serial mouse?
[03:26] <van_> ps/2
[03:26] <Seveas> van_, no wonder that it doesn't work
[03:26] <bob2> dude
[03:26] <van_> ups
[03:26] <van_> oops
[03:26] <Seveas> ttys* is for serial mice
[03:26] <bob2> /dev/psaux then
[03:26] <van_> stupid, stupid me :(
[03:28] <Lenny1729> During ubuntu installation I was asked if I want to install some extra localization packages, but I had no internet connection and so I refused. What packages would have been installed?
[03:29] <Seveas> Lenny1729, language-support-$LANG
[03:29] <Seveas> where $LANG = the 2-letter code for your language
[03:29] <Lenny1729> Seveas, thankyou! Is it possible to get even a german Openoffice if I install language-support-DE?
[03:30] <Seveas> Lenny1729, yes, langiage-support-de will also install the german OOo localization files
[03:30] <r0d> whats a good IDE on gnome?
[03:30] <Seveas> vim :)
[03:30] <HappyFool> emacs
[03:30] <Seveas> eclipse
[03:30] <Lenny1729> Seveas, ok that's good, so there is no need to download the whole openoffice, that's fine
[03:31] <Lenny1729> rod, anjuta for c++
[03:31] <Lenny1729> rod, spe for python, eclipse for java/c++
[03:31] <Seveas> eclipse + pyclipse rocks too for python
[03:31] <r0d> yea thats what im using is anjuta. just seeing if their was something else
[03:32] <r0d> im coming from kde...
[03:32] <Lenny1729> Seveas, ah ok.. didnt know that
[03:32] <cassiano> i'm new using linux and ubuntu... i can't install a prgram
[03:32] <Seveas> eclips + svn plugin is also the rock
[03:32] <cassiano> can someone help me
[03:32] <chrisss> cassiano: use synaptic
[03:32] <Seveas> cassiano, what are you trying to install
[03:32] <cassiano> i'v already use
[03:32] <Seveas> chrisss, not everything is available in there :)
[03:32] <r0d> i just use c++, and c#
[03:33] <cassiano> that's it
[03:33] <Seveas> cassiano, what are you trying to install <==
[03:33] <r0d> kool thx
[03:33] <cassiano> amsn
[03:33] <cassiano> and some dvd player
[03:33] <Seveas> cassiano, have you enabled universe in synaptic?
[03:33] <Lenny1729> I am new to ubuntu but a linux user for years, can anybody explain to me how I can configure sudo that a wheel user must enter the root password and not his own?
[03:33] <scapor> Yesterday I installed the "686-smp" kernel (as I'm now using the default 386 and I want to use the HT on my P4)  but it  doesn't boot .. when I start it as the first menu optiojn in Grub I get some error with "xxxx.c" where xxxx is a number with some 1, 2? 0 en 4 OI think .. like "4012.c or maybe theere was an 8 .. don't remeber .. if I start the "failsafe" option it says it can't mount my / partitiojn (hda6 -> reiserfs)  Is this a known probl
[03:33] <Seveas> Lenny1729, afaik that's impossible
[03:34] <cassiano> how should i do it?
[03:34] <chrisss> cassiano: do u use KDE or Gnome
[03:34] <chrisss> ok... then i assume u use GNOME
[03:34] <Seveas> scapor, file a bug with as much information as possible on bugzilla.ubuntu.com (at least include thr ubuntu version, kernel version and complete error)
[03:34] <cassiano> i don't now what is it, but i think is gnome,
[03:35] <scapor> Seveas: :|
[03:35] <scapor> Seveas: I'm ytoo lazy right now .. maybe later today :p
[03:35] <Seveas> cassiano, see the wiki, search for AddingRepositories
[03:35] <Seveas> cassiano, and add universe
[03:35] <van_> thanx guys, now my mouse works :)
[03:35] <cassiano> i'm already there
[03:35] <Lenny1729> Seveas, so the root password is completely useless? I changed it with sudo su; passwd and never needed it again
[03:35] <Seveas> cassiano, you can then use synaptic to install amsn
[03:35] <othernoob> scapor: i have problems with the 686 kernel as well. not quite like yours, but mine freezes after a few minutes
[03:35] <Seveas> Lenny1729, well, you *now* need it to login in single-user mode
[03:35] <scapor> cassiano: open Synaptic (klik the system menu, then the second menu and then "synaptci")
[03:36] <Seveas> if you remove it again, you won't need it anymore
[03:36] <scapor> othernoob: ok .. it just sucks as I can't use hyperthreading and using even 386 .. my box could be much quicker thus :(
[03:36] <chrisss> cassiano: did u get it openyet?
[03:36] <zxc> can anyone tell me how to search my printers driver cd for a .ppd?
[03:36] <othernoob> scapor: ive been told that there are no problems with 686 if you compile your own kernel
[03:36] <cassiano> yes
[03:37] <othernoob> scapor: havent had time to try it out yet though
[03:37] <cassiano> i'm in synaptic
[03:37] <chrisss> ok klik search on top
[03:37] <cassiano> but
[03:37] <scapor> othernoob: I use stock ubuntu kernel now
[03:37] <chrisss> but wut? (hey tht rhymes)
[03:37] <scapor> othernoob: I made my other system a mess (though a fast mess) when tweaking everthing with own kernels etc
[03:37] <scapor> cassiano: press 'search'
[03:37] <cassiano> yes
[03:37] <scapor> cassiano: then enter the name ofthe prog you want to install
[03:38] <Lenny1729> Thanks for your help Seveas, I'm off now...
[03:38] <cassiano> yes, i've done
[03:38] <cassiano> it
[03:38] <scapor> cassiano: then you get a list
[03:38] <cassiano> but theres no amsn
[03:38] <chrisss> what is amsn?
[03:38] <cassiano> there's a blank list
[03:38] <cassiano> :)
[03:38] <Putu_Pluto> wat is the best? the windows, the debian or the ubuntu linux?
[03:38] <resiak> chrisss: Inferior to Gaim.
[03:38] <scapor> chrisss: a MSN Messenger program
[03:38] <petroleum> an MSN client for linux chrisss
[03:38] <othernoob> scapor: well, you could give compiling the kernel a try then, sounds like you'd know what to do ;)
[03:38] <Seveas> Putu_Pluto, ubuntu of course :)
[03:38] <chrisss> got it
[03:38] <petroleum> also for windows i believe
[03:38] <petroleum> :D
[03:38] <scapor> resiak: But with more MSN features :p
[03:38] <Putu_Pluto> ok tank! ;)
[03:38] <scapor> petroleum: for mac too
[03:38] <Putu_Pluto> i have the ubuntu
[03:39] <chrisss> cassiano: just use GAIM
[03:39] <scapor> petroleum: platform independent :p
[03:39] <bob2> Putu_Pluto: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:39] <petroleum> ahh kewl scapor  :D
[03:39] <petroleum> is it coded in Java?
[03:39] <scapor> othernoob: I know but I don't want too
[03:39] <scapor> petroleum: tcl/tk
[03:39] <petroleum> ah
[03:39] <chrisss> it does MSN, AIM, yahoo, and Jabor, IRC, ICQ, etc
[03:39] <petroleum> oh ye
[03:39] <scapor> petroleum: I'm a aMSN dev :p
[03:39] <petroleum> awesome :D
[03:39] <chocoIate> back
[03:39] <scapor> chrisss: but it's all cool and well intergrated but mises a lot features for MSN and is unstable :p
[03:39] <petroleum> well i'll definatly have to pick at your brain sometimes if of course you dont mind :)
[03:40] <chocoIate> liable : you find anything useful :o
[03:40] <chrisss> scapor: hes a n00b
[03:40] <scapor> chrisss: :D
[03:40] <petroleum> lol.. chrisss that's in reference to me?
[03:40] <scapor> chrisss: noobs use aMSN as it's just the same interface as MSN Mess has :p
[03:40] <resiak> scapor: Unstable? Really?
[03:40] <cassiano> problem resolved
[03:40] <scapor> cassiano: great
[03:40] <Putu_Pluto> wat is the best: the hotmail. or yahoo?
[03:40] <cassiano> thanks,
[03:40] <chocoIate> i'm just about to purchase a serial modem right now ; so any brand is ok ;-?
[03:40] <cassiano> any way
[03:41] <Seveas> Putu_Pluto, gmail :)
[03:41] <chrisss> yahoo!
[03:41] <petroleum> scapor, :D noob huh? :D
[03:41] <petroleum> lol
[03:41] <Putu_Pluto> wat is gmail?
[03:41] <chrisss> ok...
[03:41] <scapor> cassiano: righclick a program in the list, do 'install' and then the big button on top
[03:41] <chocoIate> by the way from the producer it says "supports only windows" not mention of linux :P
[03:41] <cassiano> just another question
[03:41] <scapor> petroleum: think he meant cassiano :)
[03:41] <Seveas> Putu_Pluto, web-based e-mail from google
[03:41] <Seveas> with als pop3 access :)
[03:41] <petroleum> scapor,  ahh :).. im so not with it today :P
[03:41] <chrisss> with all due respect scapor: weve established tht already
[03:42] <Putu_Pluto> I've the hotmail because I don't 'conocer' ninguno mas
[03:42] <cassiano> do you now the name of program compared to premier
[03:42] <cassiano> for video
[03:42] <cassiano> ?
[03:42] <scapor> resiak: yeah 'unstable' as in .. it just can crash while you're busy without saying anything :(
[03:43] <resiak> scapor: Well, HEAD does, but I don't remember 1.x doing that lately.
[03:44] <scapor> resiak: I've been trying out HEAD ..which is cool and crashed for me on rightclicks ;) ... but the releases also crash ... be sure ;)
[03:44] <zxc> I need to find out which usb plug my printer is using
[03:44] <scapor> resiak: I'm not "dissing" gaim here .. gaim's cool ;)
[03:44] <zxc> anyway how?
[03:44] <scapor> zxc: try "lsusb" on the commandline
[03:44] <resiak> scapor: Meh, nor am I insulting aMSN. Keep up the good work, and I'll keep trying to get to grips with hacking on Gaim :-)
[03:45] <zxc> scapor, it comes up with a list but I can't tell which is my printer :/
[03:45] <chrisss> problem: im trying to setup a loopback device... ive already created 'myloop' by filling it with /dev/zero... when i try to run losetup /dev/loop0 myloop i get this error: ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[03:45] <scapor> resiak: we're "prettifying" aMSN .. so look out ;) ... and I started ti write a GTK GUI for aMSN too .. as a plugin ;)
[03:45] <scapor> zxc: do you need to know it for the "add printer" thing ?
[03:46] <resiak> scapor: But do you do Jabber? Or AIM? I think not!
[03:46] <scapor> zxc: I think that's just allways #1 if you have 1
[03:46] <petroleum> oh scapor .. i assume you're farmiliar with the protocol used for msn chatting... I remember MSN had a feature a while back about.. telling whether you were blocked or not.. was that taken out by MS?
[03:46] <topaspv> hey! it's me again. i now installed ipmasq but i somehow can't run it
[03:46] <petroleum> familiar*
[03:46] <zxc> scapor, yes
[03:46] <scapor> resiak: I do it with gaim :p  ... and aMSN's protocol code is allmost 'pluggable' .. though I don't want it to become multiprotocol as it's "an MSN Messenger clone" as it's on SF
[03:47] <zxc> scapor, ok I'll try :)
[03:47] <scapor> petroleum: not possible anymore juist
[03:47] <petroleum> kk
[03:47] <scapor> petroleum: s/juist/indeed
[03:47] <resiak> scapor: Sure, you're working at a different goal.
[03:47] <othernoob> is there a wallpaper that features all the logos of the diff. distributions ?
[03:47] <scapor> resiak: yup :)
[03:47] <Putu_Pluto> I Have the gaim internet msn and the kopete in other computer, wat msn have you?????
[03:47] <scapor> othernoob: create it ! :D
[03:47] <resiak> Putu_Pluto: Please stop polling the channel.
[03:47] <Putu_Pluto> wat is polling?
[03:48] <scapor> Putu_Pluto: asking everyone
[03:48] <resiak> Putu_Pluto: Asking general questions of the channel, like you just did.
[03:48] <Seveas> Putu_Pluto, please stop creating noise, this is a help channel
[03:48] <othernoob> scapor: i lack talent for something like that :/
[03:48] <Putu_Pluto> oh, okay, sorry
[03:48] <scapor> othernoob: then apt-get gimp, open epiphany with the right tutorials and try to learn it :d
[03:49] <Seveas> lol scapor ;)
[03:49] <Putu_Pluto> sorry resak, sorry scapor
[03:49] <Putu_Pluto> sorry chanel
[03:49] <Putu_Pluto> xD
[03:49] <topaspv> can anyone tell me how to share my internet-connection? i tried ipmasq but i somehow can't run it
[03:49] <chrisss> problem: im trying to setup a loopback device... ive already created 'myloop' by filling it with /dev/zero... when i try to run losetup /dev/loop0 myloop i get this error: ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[03:49] <othernoob> scapor: lol, talent can't be learnt i believe ;)
[03:50] <chrisss> sry 4 teh huge question...
[03:50] <van_> hi again, one more question, How to let non root users run X?
[03:50] <scapor> othernoob: but I don't think you tried it yet .. so give it a go :p
[03:50] <chrisss> add the users to teh "video" group...
[03:50] <chrisss> ^^ van_
[03:50] <van_> em...how? (me -> teh n00b)
[03:50] <othernoob> scapor: my art teacher in school once said id be better of drawing the house of santa clause for the rest of me life :/
[03:51] <Seveas> addgroup USERNAME video
[03:51] <van_> thank you
[03:51] <topaspv> can anyone tell me how to share my internet-connection to a second pc? i tried ipmasq but i somehow can't run it
[03:51] <scapor> van_: or start the "users and groups" thing and click your way through ;)
[03:52] <van_> hm..it sais i am already in that group, but when i wanna run gnome, it sais that it can't read some /home/traxas/ICE...
[03:52] <scapor> Seveas: users think linux is difficult as they always get answers with command :|
[03:52] <bigfoot> Hi all, I have mplayer (plugin) for Firefox. It works well, but there are no controls. So how do we pause, or fastforward, or rewind, etc? Am I missing a file?
[03:53] <Seveas> scapor, i could have told him to go read man addgroup too ;)
[03:53] <chrisss> its prob the site's fault... when u make a site u can specify the type of controls
[03:53] <chrisss> ^^ bigfoot
[03:53] <resiak> bigfoot: You've just discovered that the mplayer plugin is _useless_.
[03:53] <resiak> chrisss: What's wrong with prefixing what you say?
[03:53] <scapor> Seveas: you could even just have told "rtfm n00b" :D
[03:53] <Seveas> ;)
[03:53] <bigfoot> resiak, ha! what do you guys recommend..... If mplayer can only play stuff but is practically useless?
[03:54] <bigfoot> hi chrisss !
[03:54] <Seveas> resiak, so what are you using for embedded media?
[03:54] <chrisss> resiak: type faster than i can think.... there i did it
[03:54] <resiak> bigfoot: I use(d) GreaseMonkey and a plugin to put a link to the embedded content beside it, and then just load them in totem.
[03:54] <scapor> hmm .. does someone know how to set the time after a laptop should go to sleep ?
[03:54] <resiak> chrisss: Ace.
[03:54] <chrisss> ace?
[03:54] <resiak> Seveas: I don't. I can't _stand_ embedded media.
[03:54] <resiak> chrisss: Ace == cool.
[03:55] <bigfoot> resiak, so greasemonkey can play stuff like Windowsmedia, realplayer, etc?
[03:55] <chrisss> my bad..
[03:55] <bigfoot> why do you say "use(d)" <past tense> rather than "use", resiak ?
[03:55] <petroleum> its a british thing i believe chrisss
[03:56] <resiak> bigfoot: No, GreaseMonkey is a scripting plugin for Firefox. You install it, then you get a script for it (I'm digging out the link) which modifies the pages to include links as well as embeds. I say used because I now use Galeon.
[03:56] <topaspv> seems like noone can help me :/
[03:56] <bigfoot> resiak, why can't you stand embedded media? Is this the opposite of media that is not played in a web browser?
[03:56] <chrisss> topaspv: same here
[03:57] <resiak> bigfoot: I would rather have a link to the stream so I can watch it in a media program.
[03:57] <bigfoot> resiak, why do you use galeon? is it much better than firefox?
[03:57] <resiak> bigfoot: http://greasemonkey.mozdev.org/ to install GreaseMonkey, restart the fox, http://dunck.us/collab/GreaseMonkeyUserScripts and get the unembed script. I prefer its interface.
[03:58] <javi> how can I remove kde from my ubuntu box ?
[03:58] <stb> whhaaa fuck my linux broke down...
[04:00] <scapor> greasemonkey is in epiphany-extensions HEAD \o/ hooray
[04:00] <chrisss> wut error:stb
[04:00] <Seveas> javi, removing one of the core libs like qt will remove a lot of it already
[04:00] <scapor> chrisss: too late :D
[04:00] <chrisss> problem: im trying to setup a loopback device... ive already created 'myloop' by filling it with /dev/zero... when i try to run losetup /dev/loop0 myloop i get this error: ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[04:01] <scapor> bigfoot: epiphany is even a cooler browser :p
[04:02] <HappyFool> chrisss: sorry, not sure what you're trying to do, but how about just 'mount -o loop myloop /mnt/loopmnt' ?
[04:03] <chrisss> ok......
[04:03] <chrisss> losetup doesnt work
[04:03] <Seveas> chrisss, did you try to use encryption?
[04:04] <chocoIate> am i supposed to download mono as a seperate package and install it ; i do not see it in the list of available packages :o
[04:04] <chrisss> ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[04:04] <chrisss> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[04:04] <chrisss> seveas: no
[04:04] <Seveas> chocoIate, mono is only available in breezy
[04:05] <topaspv> can anyone give me some advise how to share my internet-connection? i'm using two pcs: one of them is connected to the internet and has a network card installed which includes three other network cards (it's something like a hub). but somehow i cannot share the internet-connection to my second pc
[04:05] <Seveas> wait
[04:05] <Seveas> it's also on hoary :)
[04:05] <Seveas> in universe
[04:05] <Seveas> chrisss, does /dev/loop0 exist?
[04:06] <chocoIate> what is breezy :o
[04:06] <chrisss> yes
[04:06] <Seveas> chrisss, you created it yourself?
[04:06] <Seveas> chocoIate, next ubuntu version (VERY unstable atm)
[04:06] <chocoIate> should i download and install it instead :o
[04:06] <chrisss> yes... after f****** it up by filling it (accedientaily) with /dev/zero
[04:06] <chocoIate> maybe it will fix my modem too :P
[04:06] <Seveas> chocoIate, mono is available in hoary
[04:06] <Seveas> in universe
[04:06] <chocoIate> where
[04:07] <chocoIate> i got hoary
[04:07] <chocoIate> but its not in my list of packages :S
[04:07] <HappyFool> you'll need to use mknod or something to create /dev/loop0
[04:07] <Seveas> chrisss, you cannot fill /dev/loop0 with zeroes :)
[04:07] <chrisss> i did
[04:07] <chrisss> !
[04:07] <Seveas> chrisss, can you paste the output of /dev/loop0 in here
[04:07] <Seveas> i think you made a mistake :)
[04:07] <chrisss> a ls -l?
[04:07] <Seveas> chrisss, can you paste the output of ls -al /dev/loop0 in here
[04:08] <chrisss> ok
[04:08] <chrisss> crw-rw----  1 root disk 7, 0 2005-05-21 09:28 /dev/loop0
[04:08] <chrisss> does it have to be executable?
[04:09] <HappyFool> you should be able to create /dev/loop0 with 'sudo mknod /dev/loop0 b 7 0'
[04:09] <javi> Seveas, thank you, i removed libqt102-mc
[04:09] <chrisss> o i did c not b
[04:09] <HappyFool> huh. my /dev/loop0 is a block device (b, not c)
[04:09] <chocoIate> by the way, nobody seems to want to take any responsibility. I'm about to purchase a new ISDN modem on serial port ; would i have any driver issues :o
[04:09] <alfatau> hi, i've to send mails to other local users, but always delivered mails arrive to me. What can i do?? I'm running exim4
[04:09] <HappyFool> i think that's it
[04:09] <Seveas> loop0 should be a block device
[04:09] <chrisss> thts my problem.. prob
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> just wondering, are other ppl having problems with OO.o and OO.oB under breezy?
[04:10] <chrisss> chris@ubuntu:~$ sudo losetup /dev/loop0 myloop
[04:10] <chrisss> ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Device or resource busy
[04:10] <chrisss> chris@ubuntu:~$
[04:11] <Jurku> Kamping_Kaiser, what kind of problems?
[04:11] <Quest-Master> What is the command to restart cups?
[04:11] <HappyFool> chrisss: try 'sudo losetup /dev/loop0'
[04:11] <HappyFool> should tell you if a file's already associated with it
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> jurku. in OO.o 1.1.3 (?) right click or clicking a menu crashes the program, and in OO.o 2B clicking a menu crashes the program
[04:12] <Jurku> Kamping_Kaiser, yes, I had same problem..
[04:12] <Jurku> problems*
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[04:12] <chocoIate> somebody say i wont have an issues that way if the modem is not working after purchase i'd like to blame you for it ; and maybe get you all to refund lol
[04:12] <chrisss>   /dev/loop0: [0303] :46531182 (myloop)
[04:12] <chrisss> is tht a good thing?
[04:12] <Seveas> yes
[04:12] <Jurku> Kamping_Kaiser, I went back to hoary
[04:12] <Seveas> chrisss, now mount it :)
[04:13] <bigfoot> resiak, i think i'm going to give galeon a try. Scapor recommended epiphany, but i think that it's geared towards the non-technical Aunt Tillie.
[04:13] <HappyFool> i'd just go with 'mount -o loop' instead of mucking about with losetup, but ok
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> it wouldent worry me, but i dont have any HTML editors, and i want a wyswig to do a large past of text (250 -> 300 lines)
[04:13] <chrisss> question: where do u specify the loop device?
[04:14] <bigfoot> resiak, so with galeon, it can play stuff like windows media (audio and video) and realplayer stuff?
[04:14] <Seveas> mount /dev/loop0 /path/to/mount/point -o loop
[04:14] <Seveas> (iirc)
[04:14] <resiak> bigfoot: No, the situation is worse than in Firefox, because it doesn't have a GreaseMonkey equivalent.
[04:14] <HappyFool> i don't think you need -o loop in that case (?)
[04:14] <chrisss> ok.....
[04:14] <candyban> Hi guys
[04:14] <topaspv> can anyone give me some advise how to share my internet-connection? i'm using two pcs: one of them is connected to the internet and has a network card installed which includes three other network cards (it's something like a hub). but somehow i cannot share the internet-connection to my second pc
[04:14] <Seveas> no idea HappyFool, it's been a while since i used it
[04:15] <bigfoot> oh, so how do you play WindowsMedia and Realplayer, etc in Galeon?
[04:15] <resiak> bigfoot: I dig the url out of the source :)
[04:15] <chrisss> sudo mount -o loop /mnt/knoppixcd/boot.img /dev/loop0
[04:15] <chrisss> mount: mount point /dev/loop0 is not a directory
[04:15] <Seveas> topaspv, try the mailing list/forum
[04:15] <topaspv> ok
[04:15] <bigfoot> resiak, then what software do you use to play the stuff?
[04:15] <HappyFool> other way around
[04:15] <Seveas> chrisss, device first, mount point later
[04:15] <chrisss> ok...
[04:15] <HappyFool> Seveas: the whole point of -o loop is to let mount do losetup etc. for you
[04:15] <resiak> bigfoot: I'm looking for a way to do it sanely. Truth is, I don't look at many pages that have embedded stuffs. I either use mplayer or totem, depending on what mood I'm in.
[04:16] <Seveas> HappyFool, ah!
[04:16] <Seveas> by the way chrisss if you want to mount an .img, you don't need to have that loop file or device
[04:16] <candyban> Is libapache-mod-php4 broken? ... I just installed apache + libapache-mod-php4 ... but php is not enabled ... I tried with apache-modconf enable php(4) ... didn't work ... checked the config files and noticed the module is not loaded anywhere ...
[04:16] <Seveas> chrisss, mount -o loop /path/to/.img is enough
[04:16] <chrisss> sudo mount /dev/loop0 /mnt/knoppixcd/boot.img -o loop
[04:16] <chrisss> ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[04:17] <chrisss> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[04:17] <Seveas> chrisss, read my last 2 lines :)
[04:17] <Seveas> and also: you cannot mount a boot.img iirc
[04:17] <Seveas> it's not a filesystem
[04:17] <chrisss> sheite
[04:18] <Seveas> why would you want it??
[04:18] <chrisss> customizing knoppix.... without doing knoppix-remaster
[04:18] <Seveas> lol
[04:18] <Seveas> not gonna happen :)
[04:18] <Seveas> chrisss, the ubuntu live cd is easier to customize
[04:19] <chrisss> dont have it neware i can download it (stupid question)
[04:19] <Seveas> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[04:19] <Seveas> and the wiki contains a LiveCDCustomizationHowto
[04:19] <bigfoot> resiak, i think I've got the URL of the audiofile I was listening to. It's a Windows Media Streaming File (extension is .wax). But when I input this into Totem Movie Player, it doesn't work.
[04:20] <chrisss> thx
[04:20] <candyban> 1)Does anyone know when FF 1.0.4 will be out?
[04:20] <candyban> 2) Does anyone know about problems with libapache-mod-php4 in debian/ubuntu?
[04:20] <kaouete> woaw, last breezy is quite broke, i get a lot of cannot execute /sbin/getty and things like that :>
[04:20] <Seveas> candyban, FF in ubuntu is 1.0.4 in disguise
[04:20] <Seveas> 2) no
[04:20] <Seveas> kaouete, indeed it's broken
[04:20] <kaouete> huhu
[04:20] <kaouete> i'm wondering how i will fix that ^^
[04:21] <Seveas> kaouete, by waiting for it to become stable
[04:21] <resiak> bigfoot: This is when I break out mplayer. Do you have w32codecs installed?
[04:21] <kaouete> ho, i should have read the topic before doing this upgrade :>
[04:21] <Ali_Baba> maybe i wont upgrade a while now :)
[04:21] <bigfoot> resiak, by the way, i don't have "Mplayer" in my Applications list, even though I have the mplayer plugin.
[04:21] <Seveas> there are dozens of people working on ubuntu, do you seriously think you can fix it on your own?
[04:21] <candyban> Seveas: How can you remove the disguise? (Can't get to the FF plugin page)
[04:21] <resiak> bigfoot: apt-get install gmplayer ?
[04:21] <bigfoot> resiak, yes, i believe I got w32codecs.
[04:21] <Seveas> candyban, let FF lie about its User-Agent string
[04:21] <chrisss> is brezzy broken?
[04:21] <kaouete> Seveas: there is not point on waithing it to be stable if i want to test last features, it's not like if i was using it to just use it :)
[04:21] <resiak> bigfoot: Then run mplayer URL
[04:22] <eyequeue> chrisss:  yes
[04:22] <Seveas> chrisss, of course, it's the development version
[04:22] <chrisss> f***
[04:22] <Seveas> with two major transitions going on
[04:22] <chrisss> whops
[04:22] <chrisss> which are?
[04:22] <HappyFool> candyban: in about.config, set general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4
[04:22] <HappyFool> ag, about:config
[04:22] <Seveas> kaouete, then just wait a few days and test things again :)
[04:22] <eyequeue> chrisss:  c++ transition
[04:22] <Ali_Baba> to gcc 3.4 > gcc 4.0 transition
[04:22] <kaouete> Seveas: hehe, i wonder how if i can login on this box :>
[04:22] <Pengui1> Does anybody know how to install bluetooth?
[04:22] <kaouete> cant
[04:22] <chrisss> ok
[04:23] <chrisss> Pengui1: u have 2have bluetooth in ur kernel... correct me if im wrong
[04:23] <Seveas> kaouete, ssh logins should work
[04:23] <kaouete> ho, you are a great guys
[04:23] <Pengui1> Kernel?
[04:23] <Seveas> Pengui1, apg-get install gnome-bluetoth
[04:23] <bigfoot> What is "gmplayer", resiak ? is that the same as mplayer?
[04:23] <Seveas> Pengui1, apg-get install gnome-bluetooth
[04:23] <Pengui1> Oh no... :-(
[04:23] <kaouete> thanks a lot, i will just wait and hope i will not need this box for now
[04:23] <Seveas> gmplayer is gnome version
[04:23] <Ali_Baba> its the gui mplayer
[04:23] <resiak> bigfoot: It's mplayer with a GTK frontend.
[04:23] <Seveas> (immsmr)
[04:23] <resiak> !explain immsmr
[04:23] <thr1ce> no, it's gui mplayer
[04:24] <Seveas> if my memory serves me right :
[04:25] <chrisss> where is the wiki for customizinglivecd
[04:25] <Seveas> chrisss, search on wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:25] <HappyFool> Pengui1: don't worry, many bluetooth modules are present in the standard hoary kernel
[04:25] <bigfoot> resiak, strange thing: though I can play the URL in firefox (via Mplayerplugin), when i run it in terminal, it gets this repeating (over and over and over) result: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/287453
[04:25] <chrisss> Seveas: mmm...kay
[04:26] <resiak> bigfoot: *shrug*
[04:26] <bigfoot> resiak, so let me see if i understand you. Mplayer is a program that runs from Terminal, while Mplayer is a program that runs in graphical mode, correct?
[04:26] <thr1ce> no, gmplayer is gui
[04:26] <resiak> bigfoot: If you mean gmplayer the second time, yse.
[04:26] <thr1ce> mplayer is terminal
[04:26] <chrisss> got it
[04:26] <chrisss> thr1ce: yes ur right
[04:27] <thr1ce> it'll have capability be run with a nice skin, and looks pretty good
[04:27] <bigfoot> resiak, yes, meant gmplayer the second time.
[04:27] <chocoIate> Seveas -->> <Seveas> chocoIate, mono is available in hoary ; i have hoary, but i do not see mono amoung the list of pacakges, where do you see this package :o
[04:27] <thr1ce> the only difference, is when you compile it, you use ./configure --enable-gui
[04:28] <thr1ce> then again, this is ubuntu, no need to compile :)
[04:28] <Seveas> chocoIate, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/45
[04:28] <jinxi> hi
[04:28] <Seveas> output of apt-cache show monpo
[04:28] <Seveas> mono
[04:28] <cassiano> hi again
[04:28] <jinxi> what tool can I use to encrypt a file?
[04:28] <bigfoot> thr1ce, the last three messages you wrote are about Mplayer, right?
[04:28] <HappyFool> jinxi: you can try gpg
[04:28] <jaco_> which is the url to submit a breezy bug?
[04:28] <thr1ce> yes
[04:29] <dcraven> chocoIate: It's in universe I think.
[04:29] <cassiano> how can i use full screen with ogle?
[04:29] <jinxi> HappyFool, I need a simple tool which I can encrypt with a password
[04:29] <Seveas> gpg is very good in encrypting :)
[04:29] <jinxi> that's it
[04:29] <cassiano> can someone help me
[04:29] <HappyFool> jinxi: gpg will let you do that. can't remember what the command will be offhand
[04:29] <resiak> cassiano: Don't ask for help before you've asked your question :-)
[04:29] <Seveas> i use a minimalistic password-file editor which acyaully is a script calling gpg and zenity :))
[04:29] <toresbe> bob2: May I /msg you?
[04:29] <Pengui1> Oh my god
[04:29] <Seveas> resiak, read a few lines back :p
[04:29] <Pengui1> IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!
[04:29] <thr1ce> good :)
[04:29] <toresbe> Pengui1: YAY!!!!!!
[04:30] <Pengui1> Thank you, it works!!!!
[04:30] <resiak> Seveas: Right.
[04:30] <resiak> cassiano: Sorry, I can't read.
[04:30] <jinxi> HappyFool, can u look it up for me in a hurry?
[04:30] <HappyFool> jinxi: just 'gpg -c filetoencrypt'
[04:30] <chocoIate> Seveas : how did you get this info : http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/45
[04:30] <cassiano> can somenone help me
[04:30] <Seveas> apt-cache show mono
[04:30] <cassiano> ?
[04:30] <resiak> cassiano: Doesn't its manual say?
[04:30] <HappyFool> jinxi: that will output a file 'filetoencrypt.gpg'
[04:30] <chocoIate> did it search online Seveas :o
[04:31] <Seveas> no, apt-cache only uses the local cache
[04:31] <krystoff> Hi there, i'm in trouble with my tohiba laptop which won't shut down itself i have to hard shutdown, no restart for the sme reasons ? anyone here with the same problems ?
[04:31] <jinxi> HappyFool, how do I decrypt it back on another system?
[04:31] <HappyFool> jinxi: and then to decrypt just run 'gpg filetoencrypt.gpg'
[04:31] <cassiano> no, the movie trembles
[04:31] <HappyFool> jinxi: gpg is available for many platforms, including windows
[04:31] <jinxi> HappyFool, shouldn't I give a key to encrypt it?
[04:31] <resiak> cassiano: I've heard of problems with stuff like that. You might want to try making its buffer bigger?
[04:31] <HappyFool> jinxi: you'll need gpg on whatever system you need to decrypt on
[04:31] <HappyFool> jinxi: it'll ask for a passphrase
[04:32] <jinxi> ok
[04:32] <HappyFool> jinxi: just try it on a simple little file first, to see how it works
[04:32] <cassiano> i dont understand
[04:32] <dcraven> cassiano: I've never used ogle, but some players go fullscreen when you press 'F'.
[04:32] <HappyFool> it's very straightforward
[04:32] <chocoIate> Seveas : Filename: pool/universe/m/mono/mono_1.0.5-1_i386.deb
[04:32] <cassiano> what do you use
[04:32] <chocoIate> is that a local path or the path online :o
[04:32] <othernoob> how do i set the jre so that opera8 recognizes it?
[04:32] <dcraven> cassiano: I use totem, but I'm not sure why.
[04:32] <Seveas> chocoIate, that info is in the local cache and it is the online path :)
[04:33] <dockane> i now realize that i calculated too less hd space for '/' (/dev/sda1 2,4G  1,8G  475M  80% ) .... that is not an immediate problem because /home is mounted elsewhere. do you think i will get in deeper trouble with 475 MB for '/'
[04:33] <chocoIate> so basically if i dont have a live connection to the internet i'm must go get it manually
[04:33] <Seveas> chocoIate, no, if you have universe enabled, apt-get install mono should work
[04:33] <cassiano> the f5 results, but the movie goes bad
[04:33] <Seveas> maybe an apt-get update is needed
[04:34] <chocoIate> universe enabled ;-?
[04:34] <cassiano> does totem read dvd?
[04:34] <chocoIate> and where do i enable universe :o
[04:34] <bigfoot> resiak, i got gmplayer, does this mean i can now delete mplayer? 2nd question, where do i put in the URL for the internet audio file?
[04:34] <dcraven> cassiano: Sure it does.
[04:34] <Seveas> chocoIate, can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[04:35] <dcraven> cassiano: It's totem-xine that I use to be more precise.
[04:35] <chocoIate> i'm going to have to disconnect, reboot back in linux, get it, reboot back in winxp and give it to you :P
[04:35] <giard> for the sake of argument, let's say one was crazy enough to try breezy before that person saw the warning not to, is there a way around this "could not open default font 'fixed'" problem?
[04:35] <chocoIate> what should i expect to see in the sources.list :o
[04:35] <cassiano> ah
[04:35] <chocoIate> the list of packages installed on my system :-?
[04:36] <resiak> bigfoot: If you really want, and not a clue. I don't use gmplayer :)
[04:36] <HappyFool> chocoIate: there's a utility to access ext3 filesystems from windows
[04:36] <Seveas> chocoIate, no, the list of enabled repositories
[04:36] <incorrect> has anyone compiled ubuntu's debootstrap under gentoo?
[04:36] <Seveas> incorrect, why on earth would you want that?
[04:36] <thr1ce> incorrect, this is #ubuntu, lots of us use that
[04:36] <chocoIate> repository as in ;-?
[04:36] <jaco_> which is the url to submit a breezy bug?
[04:37] <incorrect> thr1ce, cause i am making a ubuntu usbkey ring
[04:37] <bigfoot> resiak, would it be logical to suppose that if a URL won't work in mplayer, it won't work in Gmplayer?
[04:37] <Seveas> jaco_, bugzilla.ubuntu.com for packages from main/restricted malone for others
[04:37] <dcraven> giard: One could change his apt sources back to hoary and reinstall xorg I think.
[04:37] <chocoIate> how do i universe enable my version of ubuntu, like you have Seveas :o
[04:37] <Seveas> jaco_, and *PLEASE* make sure it is not related to the X transition or the C++ transition
[04:37] <thr1ce> uncomment everything in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:37] <Seveas> thr1ce, not really :)
[04:38] <jaco_> seveas there is a package dep not satisfied with mplayer
[04:38] <thr1ce> well, that will enable everything...no reason not to
[04:38] <Seveas> chocoIate, uncomment all lines in /etc/apt/sources.list that start with #deb
[04:38] <jaco_> and the same thing with beagle
[04:38] <Seveas> jaco_, are you using marillat/backports?
[04:38] <jaco_> Seveas,  no i'm using only breezy
[04:38] <incorrect> if i can get the debootstrap i can make a bootable ubuntu on a usb drive
[04:39] <thr1ce> Seveas, oh, haha, I see what you mean
[04:39] <Seveas> ok thr1ce  ;)
[04:39] <giard> dcraven: let's say one tries to do that and gets a "Reinstallation of xserver-xorg is not possible, it cannot be downloaded" error
[04:39] <thr1ce> :)
[04:39] <Seveas> there are enough newbies around that would take your advice litterally thr1ce
[04:39] <Seveas> believe me!
[04:39] <thr1ce> Seveas, I forget these minor things :)
[04:40] <dcraven> giard: Did this guy apt-get update?
[04:40] <giard> dcraven: he did
[04:40] <Seveas> giard, and hopefully not using breezy...
[04:40] <bigfoot> can anyone here try working out an internet audio file (windows streaming media) for me? Coz I can get it to work in FF (with mplayer plugin) but not in terminal's mplayer command nor in Gmplayer. The url is http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/swn/oneplace/wm/wi/wi20050515.wax
[04:41] <Seveas> giard, i must read, sorry
[04:41] <giard> Seveas: let's say this person is trying to backtrack because of a bad update that happened as the xorg and c++ transitions began
[04:41] <Seveas> giard, there is a fix: you must manually fix the path in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to the path defined in the xfonts-base package
[04:41] <bigfoot> But i don't want to use the mplayer plugin, coz as resiak pointed out, it's rather useless (with no controls for playback, rewind, pause, forward, etc).
[04:41] <MacCall> hello
[04:41] <giard> Seveas: do you have that path onhand?
[04:41] <Seveas> giard, i do not use breezy :)
[04:42] <bigfoot> dcraven, would you pee on non-stream WMA as well?
[04:42] <Seveas> giard dpkg -L xfonts-base should give you a clue
[04:42] <jaco_>  You must choose a component to file this bug in. If necessary, just guess.
[04:42] <jaco_> what it want?
[04:42] <dcraven> bigfoot: Yes.
[04:42] <jaco_> i've filled everything
[04:42] <bigfoot> dcraven, why? 8-)
[04:42] <MacCall> i'm looking for the place where $path is defined via gnome : i mean why "echo $PATH > /tmp/aa && gedit /tmp/aa" is different when i launch it via the shell or via the gnome launcher ?
[04:42] <dcraven> bigfoot: Poor format choice.
[04:43] <bigfoot> can anyone tell me how to use a ubuntu program to play Windows media files, please?
[04:43] <thr1ce> win32codecs
[04:43] <bigfoot> dcraven, oh, but as the listener, i don't have much choice... sadly.
[04:43] <dcraven> bigfoot: Oh but you do.
[04:43] <Seveas> bigfoot, iirc the only option is to install w32codecs from marillat
[04:44] <bigfoot> thr1ce, i have win32codecs, as evidenced by my ability to play the above-pasted link in Firefox via mplayer plugin.
[04:44] <giard> Seveas: many thank yous
[04:45] <bigfoot> Seveas, the problem that's kinda confounding me is: why can i have mplayer plugin play the windows media audio stream inside firefox without any problems, but I can't in Terminal-->mplayer?
[04:45] <bigfoot> dcraven, pray, do tell.
[04:45] <Spitty> anyone about that could give me a hand with some kernel issues?
[04:45] <dcraven> bigfoot: Don't listen?
[04:45] <dcraven> lol
[04:45] <bigfoot> oh, _that_ option.
[04:46] <marios> hello everyone
[04:46] <bigfoot> hi marios!
[04:46] <marios> what's new in here? the usual? :)
[04:46] <dcraven> bigfoot: Free file formats are the only ideology I try my best to abide by.
[04:46] <bigfoot> seveas, do you have mplayer or gmplayer?
[04:47] <Seveas> mplayer
[04:47] <bigfoot> I don't know if the problem is with just the URL.... or with the Ubuntu program...
[04:47] <Spitty> Could someone please tell me if Ubuntu requires initrd when compiling a custom kernel?
[04:47] <thr1ce> it looks like it's not resolving
[04:47] <Seveas> bigfoot, but i only use mplayer for the FF plugin :)
[04:47] <marios> what's the problem?
[04:47] <thr1ce> Spitty, if you install the modules, why should it?
[04:47] <dcraven> Spitty: No, but you need to compile things like IDE and filesystem statically.
[04:47] <Spitty> that's what i want to know
[04:47] <Seveas> Spitty, only if you don't compile it all in. That's not ubuntu specific
[04:48] <thr1ce> usually that's if you compile your FS in as a module
[04:48] <bigfoot> Seveas, if mplayer plugin (in FX) could play an audio file, why can't mplayer (in Terminal) work?
[04:48] <Spitty> right... i've been trying for two days to make a kernel without initrd, but it's continously failed.  i do have all the modules that are necessarily compiled in
[04:48] <thr1ce> just do them statically, and you'll be fine (along with IDE of course)
[04:48] <Seveas> bigfoot, i wouldn't know..
[04:48] <othernoob> how do i set the jre so that opera8 recognizes it?
[04:49] <dcraven> Spitty: Not all of them ;P
[04:49] <bigfoot> Seveas, with the mplayer plugin, how can you pause the audio, or fast forward to your desired point in time?
[04:49] <Spitty> i guess not, i'm just at my wit's end about what else to add
[04:49] <bigfoot> that's my only problem, seveas: playback control.
[04:49] <dcraven> bigfoot: Fast forward a stream?
[04:50] <Spitty> i have my SATA disks supported, i have my chipset supported, i have IDE supported, i have my processor, APG accelleration, USB drive, all supported
[04:50] <Spitty> and yet, no boot
[04:50] <thr1ce> what's the error?
[04:50] <slept> Spitty, you mustn't to comile ide  as module ,
[04:50] <thr1ce> compile those all statically
[04:50] <bigfoot> dcraven, yes, i believe that it's possible. In my Windows OS experience, you could do that. Just slide the slider to whatever minute:time position you want, then the program will take some time to buffer, and off you go again.
[04:50] <thr1ce> not as module
[04:50] <Spitty> the module is "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,1)"
[04:51] <Spitty> right, they are all compiled into the kernel
[04:51] <dcraven> bigfoot: cool
[04:51] <thr1ce> yes, you didn't compile in your FS statically
[04:51] <scapor> Spitty: do you have support for your filesystam statically compiled ?
[04:51] <marios> please don't mention Winblows :p
[04:51] <thr1ce> Spitty, compile it in NOT as a module
[04:51] <bigfoot> marios, i'll try not to.
[04:51] <scapor> marios: let's pretend to be grown-ups and name it "windows" :p
[04:51] <Spitty> i have ext2 and ext3 support set to be static, NOT as a module
[04:51] <bigfoot> but i am having a problem with Linux that i don't with Win****.
[04:52] <dcraven> Spitty: Can you paste your menu.lst to ubuntu.pastebin.com?
[04:52] <Spitty> sure, hold on a sec
[04:52] <thr1ce> dcraven, that shouldn't matter...
[04:52] <dcraven> thr1ce: No?
[04:52] <thr1ce> just compile in the FS...not as a module, and it should get past that
[04:52] <marios> @scapor: do we really have to? :p
[04:53] <scapor> Spitty: and yuo're surely NOT using reiserfs, right ? ;-)
[04:53] <scapor> marios: if you're oldere then 12, then please do so
[04:53] <Spitty> scapor, nope
[04:53] <marios> ok, scapor :)
[04:53] <scapor> Spitty: did you ever had winxp on tehat box or still have it ?
[04:53] <dcraven> thr1ce: I think I got that panic when I refered to my SATA drive as /hda instead of /sda in my grub config.
[04:54] <Spitty> i had winXP once, but that was a long time ago
[04:54] <Spitty> and the menu.lst is up on the pastebin site
[04:54] <scapor> Spitty: ifso, you should have support for windows's partition table stuf  (LDM)
[04:54] <thr1ce> it complains about his root file system though
[04:54] <piripicchio> hi, could you advice me a nice graphical mail client to read the local mails? (username@localhost)
[04:54] <thr1ce> well, I suppose that could be it
[04:54] <thr1ce> unknown drive...mabe you're right...I've never dealt with sata  :(
[04:54] <scapor> piripicchio: evolution ;)
[04:55] <dcraven> That isn't it. He has sda1
[04:55] <bigfoot> can someone help me, please?
[04:55] <mikey_> bigfoot: whats up?
[04:55] <piripicchio> scapor: and what about pop server? i receive mails from local MTA
[04:55] <scapor> piripicchio: evolution can read it all ..just try it out ;)
[04:55] <myside> hello
[04:55] <marios> hello myside
[04:56] <scapor> myside: welcome, ask your questions
[04:56] <dcraven> I gotta split.. Later.
[04:56] <mikey_> can anyone point me in the direction of some tips and tricks of setting up ubuntu ?
[04:56] <bigfoot> mikey_, i just need to find out if a URL that I'm trying to load (an audio file) is a problem with the URLitself, or with the setup in my computer.
[04:56] <mikey_> bigfoot: want me to try it?
[04:56] <scapor> mikey_: http;/google.com
[04:56] <Spitty> so... anyone have any suggestions?
[04:56] <piripicchio> scapor: thanks :)
[04:57] <scapor> bigfoot: try another audio file of the same type
[04:57] <thr1ce> Spitty, don't compile in your FS as a module
[04:57] <thr1ce> did you do that?
[04:57] <scapor> bigfoot: if it has no probs it must be a prob with the first file :|
[04:57] <Spitty> nope
[04:57] <Spitty> it's static
[04:57] <scapor> Spitty: the LDM thing !
[04:57] <thr1ce> and you re-compiled it, and rebooted into it?
[04:57] <marios> @mikey: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/f-15.html
[04:57] <marios> but that is for older version
[04:57] <bigfoot> mikey_, yes please. I need you to try it _not_ in FX, but in a ubuntu program, all right? ( scapor ) Coz I _can_ play it in FX, but I don't want to. I want to play it in an external audio player.
[04:57] <Spitty> tr1ce, yes.. scapor- could you elaborate a bit, please?
[04:57] <marios> Warty 4.10
[04:58] <marios> mikey: http://www.opencontent.it/tips_tricks/tips_ubuntu
[04:58] <mikey_> bigfoot: ok, u tell me what u want me to do, and ill give it ago
[04:58] <slept> Spitty, do you have the right sata patch
[04:58] <scapor> Spitty: somewhere in the "partition types" section when you do your (menu)config of your kernel !
[04:58] <bigfoot> try this link in a ubuntu internet-audio playing program: http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/swn/oneplace/wm/wi/wi20050515.wax
[04:59] <Spitty> scapor, ok. slept- yes, i have the via_sata module static in the kernel
[04:59] <Spitty> and scapor, according to xconfig, LDM is static in the kernel
[04:59] <jasoncohen> after adding btaudio to /etc/modules i no longer have sound in most apps.it shows my 1st soundcard as the bttv btaudio device
[05:00] <thr1ce> kernel sources isn't installed by default on hoary?
[05:00] <gub> hi
[05:00] <Spitty> hello
[05:00] <pjw> hi all, Does Synaptic Package Manager contain all packages from Ubuntu?
[05:01] <Seveas> pjw, if you have enabled universe and multiverse: yes
[05:02] <thr1ce> pjw, if you enable everything in /etc/apt/sources.list, yes
[05:03] <pjw> ok
[05:03] <Seveas> brb
[05:07] <Ali_Baba> mikey_: look ubuntu forums HOWTOS :)
[05:08] <pjw> Is Ubuntu concordant with Linux Standard Base 2.0?
[05:09] <fonsken> how can i install the kernel source for 2.6.10 (current kernel) via apt-get?
[05:09] <fonsken> it doesnt find kernel-source-2.6.10
[05:09] <bigfoot> mikey_, you there?
[05:10] <_abbenormal> what you wanting to do fonsken
[05:10] <|QuaD-_> anyone know what an mpc is? some sort of music file
[05:10] <foreach> musepack, I believe
[05:10] <|QuaD-_> what musepack
[05:11] <_abbenormal> just get the sources or make a new kernel
[05:11] <kyncani> fonsken: you're looking for linux-source-2.6.10
[05:11] <jason_> if i want to build a kernel module like ivtv, i should install the kernel-headers right?
[05:11] <jason_> not the kernel-source
[05:12] <fonsken> _abbenormal, just sources
[05:12] <fonsken> kyncani, thanks!
[05:12] <jason_> and i should link kernel-headers-2.6.10-5-386 to linux
[05:12] <_abbenormal> you need the kernel source too
[05:12] <jason_> _abbenormal, i do?
[05:12] <_abbenormal> yes
[05:13] <_abbenormal> you intend to build with support
[05:13] <jason_> i'm not used to having kernel headers +kernel source
[05:13] <jason_> do you know if ubuntu has ubuntu built into the kernel?
[05:13] <_abbenormal> i use both and the ones from kernel.org
[05:14] <jason_> so, if i need to enable a kernel module, i have to make a custom kernel?
[05:14] <_abbenormal> not sure about ubu but i would think it would start with a vanilla kernel like most debian os do
[05:14] <_abbenormal> i would think you need the .config from what you are running now
[05:14] <_abbenormal> i would
[05:14] <fonsken> another question: with apt-get, does it upgrade to a new kernel automatically when there is a new one available?
[05:15] <Spitty> how do you get the config from the currently running kernel?
[05:15] <JDahl> fonsken, yes, if you choose the generic package linux-image-386
[05:15] <jason_> Spitty, cp /boot/config-'(uname -r)' /usr/src/linux/.config
[05:16] <Spitty> ok, i just needed the location of it
[05:16] <Spitty> thanks
[05:16] <kyncani> fonsken: you mean does it upgrade the linux-source ?
[05:16] <fonsken> kyncani, also, but i mean the kernel itself...
[05:16] <_abbenormal> i go to the /boot and cp it from there
[05:16] <_abbenormal> thanks jason
[05:17] <kyncani> fonsken: packages like linux-686 will be upgraded for security updates at least
[05:17] <incorrect> will the ubuntu debootstrap work under debian?
[05:19] <bigfoot> Hi all, A question re: synaptic. When marking a file/package for installation, sometimes a dialog box comes up saying that other files are needed for it to work. During uninstallation, will deleting that installed file automatically delete all the other installed files?
[05:19] <_abbenormal> i would think it would handle it incorrect as it follows debian rules very well
[05:20] <_abbenormal> ubuntu that is
[05:20] <JDahl> bigfoot, if no other files depend on them, yes
[05:21] <incorrect> guess not
[05:22] <incorrect> libc6 is out of date
[05:22] <incorrect> i can't get it to run under gentoo
[05:22] <bigfoot> JDahl, what if instead of marking _that_ main file (the file chosen by the PC user for installation) for uninstallation, the user marks one of those files that Synaptic said were required? Would that work just as well, too?
[05:23] <Spitty> ok, i'm going to try this kernel again. be back soon, hopefully
[05:23] <JDahl> bigfoot, if you're trying to uninstall a package that other packages depend on, then you would get warning about broken dependencies
[05:25] <JDahl> bigfoot, but maybe that's not what you're asking?
[05:25] <toran> hey guys, I just got xmame working on ubuntu. I was wondering, how do you use xmame's network play capabilities? does anyone have experience with this?
[05:27] <phanter> hello, i use an IBM laptop with a Petium Mobile. Which kernel is the best to use: the 386 version, the 686 version or the 686-smp version?
[05:27] <JDahl> phanter, 686
[05:28] <Lafitte-> how do you check your kernal ?
[05:28] <phanter> At this moment I am running on 386, if I install 686 via synaptic, will it se this 686 version of the kernal after a reboot?
[05:28] <phanter> Lafitte-, what do ou want to check?
[05:28] <JDahl> Lafitte-, uname -r
[05:29] <Lafitte-> what verseion kernel i have
[05:29] <phanter> cat /proc/versoin
[05:29] <phanter> Lafitte-, cat /proc/versoin
[05:29] <Lafitte-> i have 2.6.10-5-386
[05:29] <phanter> version of course
[05:30] <Lafitte-> is this the wrong version of the kernel for a centrino laptop ?
[05:30] <Dittohead> How do I turn off the annoying system beep sound that occurs if I make a mistake and use the tabkey in the terminal?
[05:31] <Lafitte-> Dittohead,  under sounds
[05:31] <jason_> lol, i was an idiot and accidentally deleted /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386. can i rebuild them with make modules && make modules_install?
[05:31] <Lafitte-> systm > prefs > sound
[05:31] <aneurin> Dittohead, edit the terminal profile and deselect 'terminal bell'
[05:32] <Dittohead> Lafitte-, Thank you. I should've checked there but I thougt that was just for sound-card based sounds and events.
[05:32] <thechitowncubs> Hey, where should I look to get help for my palm pilot?
[05:32] <_abbenormal> Lafitte-: if its running now then no but if you wish to fine tune it more then make a new kernel
[05:32] <phanter> Lafitte-, I guess that you can use the 686 version as well (optimized for you architecture, but 368 will do the job to)
[05:32] <thechitowncubs> Does anyone know about getting palms set up?
[05:32] <Lafitte-> phanter, _abbenormal  thanks :)
[05:33] <Lafitte-> this 386 runs fine     super fast
[05:33] <Dittohead> aneurin, I'll do that if the beep occurs outside of GNOME terminal
[05:33] <Lafitte-> thechitowncubs,  what palm you have
[05:33] <thechitowncubs> m505
[05:34] <aneurin> Dittohead, I generally like the system bell for things, except when I'm using a terminal so by editing the profile I just disable it for that only
[05:34] <aneurin> so if you want a global solution, then Lafitte-'s method is what you want
[05:34] <Lafitte-> thechitowncubs, should work      goto  system>prfs>palmOS devices
[05:35] <Lafitte-> thechitowncubs,  how do you connect ??    usb   ?
[05:35] <Dittohead> aneurin, yeah, best solution is always the surgical one ;) I'll probably do that a little later, gotta get my sound card working first.
[05:35] <thechitowncubs> USB
[05:35] <Lafitte-> thechitowncubs,      ok   do lsUSB      and see your palm there
[05:35] <thechitowncubs> but i had to change the port
[05:36] <Lafitte-> use ttyUSB0   or ttyUSB1
[05:36] <thechitowncubs> ya...
[05:36] <thechitowncubs> I had to change it to USB1
[05:36] <thechitowncubs> but when I sync it, it seems to work, then it crashes my evolution data server
[05:36] <Lafitte-> then sync the palm from the handheld
[05:36] <thechitowncubs> I do
[05:36] <Lafitte-> thechitowncubs,  check and see if you have the conduits on in evolution
[05:37] <thechitowncubs> And when the date book gets synced, only the appointments that occur repeatedly apper.
[05:37] <thechitowncubs> Not the day to day ones.
[05:37] <thechitowncubs> And I have set the conduits
[05:37] <Lafitte-> thechitowncubs,  under evoluiotn        tools>pilot settings
[05:37] <thechitowncubs> yes
[05:39] <dell500> how do you get mpg to work with totem??
[05:39] <chocoIate> mono-devel_1.1.7-0ubuntu4_i386.deb <-- what does the 0ubuntu4 stand for
[05:39] <thechitowncubs> Lafitte- any ideas?
[05:39] <Lafitte-> dell500,  goto ubuntuguide.org      howto there
[05:39] <dell500> alright, i'll try xine
[05:39] <thechitowncubs> ubuntu4 is a naming structure for ubuntu specialized packages
[05:39] <Lafitte-> thechitowncubs, try gettying jpilot and see if it syncs
[05:40] <chocoIate> specialized as in ;-?
[05:40] <thechitowncubs> as in it uses different things than Debian's original one
[05:40] <hussam> is there anyway to do test install with dpkg without actually installing?
[05:41] <chocoIate> different things as in :o
[05:41] <chocoIate> all i want to know is which package should i choose and i got a 32 bit amd processor
[05:42] <Lafitte-> chocoIate,  i use 386   and works great
[05:42] <chocoIate> which package did you download Lafitte-
[05:43] <Lafitte-> hold on   ill get you the link
[05:43] <chocoIate> thanks
[05:43] <marios> ok, I am currently adressing: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136871
[05:44] <Lafitte-> chocoIate, http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[05:44] <chocoIate> whats that Lafitte- ; i want to install the mono package, i already have ubuntu hoary :P
[05:44] <bigfoot> my problem is: how do i know which file to mark for uninstallation if I want to uninstall all the files that Synaptic said were needed for that file to work? Take for a real example this: I was browsing thru Synaptic when Icame across an interesting newsletter called "Linux Gazette," so I downloaded one issue "lg-issue104." A dialog window popped up saying that other (about 8 more) files are needed. So I hit "OK." Later, I decided to delete it
[05:44] <bigfoot> and, i was hoping, all the other installed files, too. I took note of one file it needs, which is  called lg-base. Now when I mark for uninstallation the same file I marked for installation, namely lg-issue104, it only deletes only that file (lg-issue104). But if I mark-for-uninstallation the file called lg-base, Synaptic will wisely tell me that lg-issue104 can be deleted as well. So hopefully this illustrates my problem.  jdahl
[05:45] <Lafitte-> chocoIate,  oh sorry     thats the file i used
[05:45] <Lafitte-> chocoIate,  mono package ?
[05:45] <chocoIate> yep
[05:45] <leitao> why the 2.6.10 hoary kernel dont have fb support?
[05:45] <chocoIate> http://www.go-mono.com
[05:45] <_kevin> I want install the New Open Office Beta 2.0 on ubuntu, and replace my old 1.1.3  is this possible, and if so how can i do this
[05:45] <dell500> for some reason mpg aren't working in kaffiene, are there codecs specifically for kaffiene??
[05:45] <dell500> i've got sound, but no video
[05:46] <davix> how much karmain boots should cost me
[05:46] <Lafitte-> Delgul,  fix is at www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:47] <bigfoot> Even "Mark for Complete Removal" does not remove all the files which synaptic said were required for the package which I selected.
[05:48] <Lafitte-> chocoIate,  what is it ??  hehe
[05:48] <bigfoot> anyone, please help me.
[05:48] <JDahl> bigfoot, one way would be to use aptitude, search for lg-issue104 (type "/lg-issue104"), press tab to access field in the lower part half of the window and look for packages that either depend on lg-issue104 or packages that lg-issue104 depends on. Maybe you can do the same with synaptic - I dont know
[05:48] <Dittohead> If I disable my onboard soundcard in BIOS and I boot back into ubuntu, will it be removed from ubuntu too? Or do I manually have to remove it from config files?
[05:48] <_kevin> 1.1.3 has very poor compatibility with MS word documents, thus it's urgent i switch to OpenOffice 2.0, any idea how i mayve remove the 1.1.3 completely and install the new 2.0 beta and have it be the default program and also show up in the icons under Applications>Office
[05:49] <bigfoot> JDahl, what's aptitude?
[05:50] <Lafitte-> Dittohead,  what are you trying to do ?
[05:50] <chocoIate> Lafitte- : its a clone of the .net framework that runs on linux ; for software development :P
[05:50] <JDahl> bigfoot, aptitude a command line based package manager... dont be fooled because it's not graphical - it is absolutely great... + if you know how to use it, you're not screwed if you have to install something but X is not running
[05:50] <Lafitte-> chocoIate,  oic        so its an add on   or an OS ?
[05:50] <dell500> are there any other codecs i would need for mpg playback?
[05:51] <JDahl> bigfoot, (my typing is not normally this awful, I think - I am typing with one arm atm)
[05:51] <Lafitte-> dell500,  did you use the codecs add in ?
[05:51] <chocoIate> an ad-on, just a set of class libraries you can use for writing applications
[05:51] <Lafitte-> sweet
[05:51] <bigfoot> Can anyone with knowledge about Synaptic help me with the above looooooooooooong message/question?
[05:52] <Lafitte-> dell500,  did you add repositories yet ?
[05:52] <dell500> yup
[05:52] <Dittohead> Lafitte-, I've got an onboard card and a PCI soundcard, the PCI is card1, not card0, so "default" is piping out to card0 (the onboard card). I followed gandalf's tutorial on ubuntuforums, which is working, but only on the card0
[05:52] <dell500> Lafitte-, done both
[05:52] <Lafitte-> ok
[05:52] <dell500> anything else?
[05:52] <Lafitte-> let me scroll the page
[05:52] <elcu> _kevin: oo2 is in the repos as a seperate package collection.  you can install it seperately and then uninstall the old version's packages (i personally haven't done this).
[05:52] <Lafitte-> dell500,  what are you trying to view ??
[05:53] <dell500> just some movies i downloaded (full metal alchemist)
[05:54] <Lafitte-> i also instaleed xine    for better clarity
[05:54] <Lafitte-> sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[05:54] <Lafitte-> try that
[05:54] <dell500> did both lol
[05:54] <jason_> how should i load btaudio so that it doesn't conflict wth my sblive sound driver?
[05:54] <dell500> installed the dvd libs and xine right after
[05:54] <dell500> i get sound, but no video
[05:55] <Lafitte-> dell500,  you restarted  all players ?
[05:55] <ratius> hello does anyone know why wheni do apache2 restart i get this error?   Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/index.html:
[05:55] <ratius> Invalid command '<html', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
[05:56] <Lafitte-> dell500,  thats how i got mine working     otherwise   i dont know much more to tell you unfortunatly
[05:56] <ratius> in my .html page i didnt miss-spelled <html>
[05:59] <jason_> does anyone use btaudio here?
[06:00] <Seveas> ratius, why did you put your index.html in there?!?!
[06:00] <Seveas> that directory is for config files...
[06:00] <ratius> oh
[06:00] <ratius> where do i put the .html then ??
[06:00] <Seveas> ratius, i would strongly suggest that you read the apache manual...
[06:01] <goldfish>  /var/www/ ?
[06:01] <ratius> i tried /var/www/ maybe I didnt do it as i was supposed to
[06:01] <ratius> i'll try it again
[06:02] <goldfish> it needs the correct permissions
[06:02] <Seveas> ratius, READ the manual
[06:02] <Seveas> and the config
[06:02] <Seveas> in the configuration you specify where to put the html files
[06:03] <vicks> anyone here who can help me with a synaptic problem?
[06:03] <Seveas> vicks, maybe, if you state the problem :)
[06:04] <vicks> seveas =) when i try to update the package libxvidcore4, it says:
[06:04] <vicks> libxvidcore4:
[06:04] <vicks>   Beror: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[06:04] <Seveas> yay
[06:04] <vicks> borer = depends (swedish :-) )
[06:04] <Seveas> you are using marillat i guess
[06:04] <juanmals> Can anybody tell me what shall I do if i want to include a package in the ubunty distribution?
[06:05] <Seveas> or another repository meant for debian
[06:05] <Seveas> juanmals, you mean software that is currently not in the repository?
[06:05] <juanmals> yeah
[06:05] <vicks> Seveas: yeah i think so
[06:05] <Seveas> juanmals, and you want it to be included in the official repositories?
[06:05] <Seveas> vicks, then just don't use them anymore
[06:05] <juanmals> exactly Seveas
[06:06] <vicks> Seveas: ok, thanks'
[06:06] <Seveas> disable marillat testing and other debian sources
[06:06] <jason_> does anyone know how to start mythtv at boot?
[06:06] <jason_> the init.d file doesn't seem to work
[06:06] <Seveas> hoary is frozen now, debian testing froze later
[06:06] <Seveas> so dependency errors will arise
[06:06] <juanmals> I know how is the process in Debian, Seveas, but I have no idea how is the proccess in ubuntu
[06:06] <Seveas> juanmals, talk to the motu (wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU / wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates / #ubuntu-motu)
[06:07] <juanmals> thanks Seveas!
[06:07] <Seveas> juanmals, which software are we talking about?
[06:08] <juanmals> Firs I wish to include reddo, a simple command line translator written in python
[06:09] <\sh> juanmals: join #ubuntu-motu
[06:09] <chocoIate> what do commercial packages have over ubuntu ; is there a features list somewhere comparing commercial distros with ubuntu :o
[06:09] <incorrect> can the default kernel boot from a usb drive?
[06:09] <incorrect> or do i need to build a custom kernel
[06:09] <chocoIate> i'm trying to find motivation to purchasing a commercial distro over ubuntu :S
[06:10] <Seveas> juanmals, do you have a .deb package already?
[06:10] <Seveas> or a url where i can find it :)
[06:11] <g14> chocoIate: Linspire comes with click n run where you get to pay for lots of opensource software you can just as easily install through synaptic
[06:11] <juanmals> Yes Seveas, the project page is http://sourceforge.net/projects/reddo
[06:12] <BurgerMann> chocoIate, i don't think there's any difference in the packages between Ubuntu and commercial distros
[06:12] <_kevin> Hi i have a very big problem with ubuntu, Everytime i run synaptic i get this message Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic: Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[06:12] <_kevin> this happened after i marked to uninstall openoffice 1.1.3 and install the new Open Office 2.0
[06:13] <_kevin> and i applryed and during that i got some kind of error
[06:13] <g14> chocoIate: Suse has a little bit better out of the box wireless / bluetooth support but that should change after the next version of ubuntu comes out (October timeframe)
[06:13] <_kevin> and now i no longer have openoffice 1.1.3 show up in the office sectopn... and neither did it install openoffice 2.0
[06:13] <Seveas> _kevin, try this: mv ~/.Xauthority ~/.Trash
[06:13] <Seveas> and then logout and log back in
[06:13] <_abbenormal> what is the command to set a different video driver in x dpkg reconfigure {something}
[06:14] <_kevin> i type that in the terminal?
[06:14] <Seveas> _abbenormal, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (but make a backup of /etc/X11/xorg.conf first)
[06:14] <Seveas> _kevin, yes
[06:14] <_abbenormal> thanks
[06:14] <_kevin> damn my termial is not even opennin... it says opening and then it just dissappears
[06:15] <Seveas> hmm
[06:15] <Seveas> sounds like you have more problems with Xauthority :)
[06:15] <_kevin> yes
[06:15] <zenrox> _kevin,  open a system monitor to see if its still loading
[06:15] <iRonYk> does anyone know, why i cannot update apt-get repository list?
[06:15] <iRonYk> apt-get update cannot connect to the servers in the list
[06:15] <_kevin> No
[06:15] <Seveas> _kevin, drop to a console by hitting <ctrl><alt><F4>, log in there, type the command and go back to gui with <alt><f7>
[06:16] <_kevin> it's doesn't open either
[06:16] <g14> kev0r: CTRL ALT F1 and you should get a console. CTRL ALT F7 to get back to the gui
[06:16] <Seveas> iRonYk, are you using backports?
[06:16] <g14> Seveas: Beat me to it :)
[06:16] <Seveas> g14, <alt><f7> to go back...
[06:16] <iRonYk> well, i put everything from the unofficial guide there
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[06:16] <Seveas> iRonYk, that's stupid :)
[06:16] <iRonYk> thanx a lot
[06:16] <zenrox> Seveas,  but alt ctrl and f7 does work
[06:16] <Seveas> iRonYk, make suru there are no backports in there, backports are down at the moment
[06:17] <iRonYk> not even official servers connect
[06:17] <zenrox> yep
[06:17] <Seveas> iRonYk, that's odd
[06:17] <Seveas> can you paste the error on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[06:17] <iRonYk> yeah, it starts updating, shows 50% is stuck for few minutes and then tells me the connection timedout
[06:18] <Seveas> ah ok
[06:18] <iRonYk> if i ping the servers from console i get 1 ms response
[06:18] <Seveas> that's about when it reaches the backports in your sources.list
[06:18] <Seveas> iRonYk, can you paste your sources.list on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[06:18] <BurgerMann> does Synaptic orignally derive from Debian?
[06:18] <iRonYk> i will try and do that
[06:19] <iRonYk> what highliting? PHP?
[06:19] <Seveas> bash
[06:19] <iRonYk> sure :)
[06:22] <iRonYk> ok, its there, of course on kubuntu.pastebin.com, since im on kubuntu now
[06:22] <Seveas> lol :)
[06:22] <seraphiel> where can I find bmp plugins?
[06:23] <JDahl> are there some screenshots of kubuntu somewhere?
[06:23] <Arnald> problem with universe packages file?
[06:23] <iRonYk> what happenes now< Seveas? :)
[06:23] <thr1ce> can someone explain backports to me?
[06:23] <Riddell> JDahl: kubuntu.org links to them
[06:23] <cspan> hi, i just built a kernel module, but when i tell modprobe to load it, it says it's not there
[06:24] <cspan> but it is
[06:24] <Seveas> iRonYk, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/287494
[06:24] <Seveas> check that out and see what changed :)
[06:25] <Seveas> read the comment near the marillat repositories too
[06:25] <ronaldo> thr1ce: what do you mean
[06:25] <ronaldo> the term backports
[06:25] <thr1ce> what are backports used for?
[06:25] <ronaldo> ?
[06:25] <iRonYk> ok, give me a sec
[06:25] <Seveas> cspan, is it somewhere under /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ ?
[06:26] <ronaldo> sometimes a bug gets fixed in a newer version of a package
[06:26] <ronaldo> but someone also implements the fix for an older release so that people do not have to run bleeing edge releases
[06:26] <ronaldo> but can remain on a slighlty older tree
[06:26] <thr1ce> oh...hm
[06:26] <elcu> seraphiel: http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/Plugin_list
[06:26] <thr1ce> i thought it was a way of running a few new packages, but not everything
[06:27] <cspan> Seveas, yeah, it is under /lib/modules/'uname -r'/misc/
[06:27] <ronaldo> thr1ce: no
[06:27] <Seveas> thr1ce, there are packages in the hoary-extras section of the backport repository
[06:27] <Seveas> but they are not actually backports
[06:27] <Seveas> but people refer to these as backports since they are in the backports repository
[06:28] <Seveas> cspan, what is the error?
[06:28] <cspan> Seveas, # modprobe mol
[06:28] <cspan> FATAL: Module mol not found.
[06:28] <iRonYk> seveas, no change :) actually marillat was the only thing that got synced with apt-get update ;)
[06:28] <HappyFool> don't forget depmod -a
[06:28] <iRonYk> i dont understand it
[06:28] <cspan> what's depmod -a?
[06:29] <HappyFool> it builds a module dependency list
[06:29] <IcemanV9> here's my case - client box is plain vanilla w/o X. host box has X installed. is it possible to run X over ssh on a client box?? if yes, is there a howto?
[06:29] <Seveas> iRonYk, and it fails on an official repository?
[06:29] <HappyFool> by scanning /lib/modules/<version>/
[06:29] <iRonYk> yes, that is what puzzles me
[06:29] <Seveas> good one HappyFool
[06:29] <HappyFool> try it, then run the modprobe again
[06:30] <cspan> yeah
[06:30] <mjr> n,29
[06:30] <cspan> it worked, hannes_
[06:30] <cspan> oops
[06:30] <cspan> HappyFool,
[06:30] <HappyFool> good :)
[06:30] <cspan> now i have another question
[06:30] <cspan> i have tried building the realtime-lsm module
[06:30] <cspan> but it complains that my stock kernel doesn't have security something support
[06:31] <Seveas> iRonYk, these servers wotk fine over here, where exactly does apt-get update fail?
[06:31] <bigfoot> When packages/programs are downloaded via Synaptic, why doesn't it make shortcuts into the Gnome Menu (just like Windows would)?
[06:31] <cspan> does that mean that in order to use realtime-lsm i need to build my own kernel?
[06:31] <Seveas> bigfoot, because, just like in windows, packages need to define these shortcuts
[06:31] <Seveas> and if a package doesn't, no shortcuts are created
[06:31] <iRonYk> it tries to connect to the repository, i get 99% completed and it freezes for few moments
[06:31] <iRonYk> minutes
[06:31] <Ali_Baba> bigfoot killall gnome-panel updates the menu.
[06:31] <Seveas> cspan, yes...
[06:31] <iRonYk> then i get connection timeout
[06:32] <HappyFool> what's realtime-lsm for?
[06:32] <Seveas> which repository exactly iRonYk ?
[06:32] <iRonYk> for instance tr.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:32] <Seveas> that server works fine from here
[06:32] <cspan> uuuuh
[06:33] <Seveas> try se.archive.ubuntu.com (that one actually is different from archive.ubuntu.com, tr.archive.ubuntu.com isn't :))
[06:33] <iRonYk> i believe it does, see me on IRC?! my connection works fine, i can ping the repository, but cannot sync with apt-get update
[06:33] <cspan> and, please, could somebody tell me of a good reference source for learning how to build a kernel for someone who does not now anything at all about building kernels?
[06:33] <HappyFool> i think the wiki has a page on kernel-building
[06:34] <Bramme> a little problem with valknut: i can connect to hubs but a search on madonna for example gives me 0 results, while i'm connected to two hubs with 6000 people each
[06:34] <Seveas> Bramme, we do not support copyright infringment in here
[06:35] <DefHandz> I am having trouble with Kubuntu
[06:35] <DefHandz> Internet troubles
[06:35] <iRonYk> u know what is funny, i get some progress in the beginnning, then it freezes
[06:35] <Bramme> it's just a piece of software that's included in ubuntu Seveas
[06:35] <iRonYk> what is wrong? i am desperate
[06:35] <Bramme> i can search on nature pictures too
[06:35] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ apt-cache search valknut
[06:35] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $
[06:35] <DefHandz> It cant find the DHCP
[06:35] <BurgerMann> What do u think of a name like linuxpusher for a internet store? :S
[06:35] <DefHandz> I used ifconfig, and that didnt help tell me what to do
[06:35] <Bramme> Seveas, in ubuntu it's called dcgui-qt ;)
[06:35] <Seveas> ah
[06:36] <Seveas> iRonYk, as i said, try a different server, maybe it helps
[06:36] <Bramme> but officialy it's named valknut
[06:36] <xMaximex> I installed lm-sensors, but the temperature showed in gkrellm are not accurate to those in the bios .. how to fix that ?
[06:36] <iRonYk> i tried the one you sent, same thing
[06:36] <Seveas> hmm
[06:36] <iRonYk> do i need to set up something in preferences file?
[06:36] <DefHandz> Anyone know?
[06:36] <Seveas> no, this should work, weird
[06:36] <salmenara> hi
[06:36] <iRonYk> maybe my router blocks it? something with proxy? i have no idea
[06:37] <DefHandz> My router isnt recognizing that i am connected
[06:37] <DefHandz> and I cannot connect to the internet
[06:37] <salmenara> this is my first time installing Ubuntu and I have a few questions..... where is root ?
[06:37] <Seveas> iRonYk, you do know that the output of apt-get update is not neccessarily in order of servers tried
[06:37] <Seveas> iRonYk, can you please try apt-get update again and paste the output on kubuntu.pastebin.com
[06:37] <iRonYk> i left only one server uncommented, the one u sent me ;)
[06:37] <HappyFool> salmenara: by default root is disabled. use sudo, and enter your user's password when prompted
[06:37] <nevyn> Seveas: there is no root.
[06:37] <cspan> salmenara, if you did an ordinary install there is no root user, you must use sudo
[06:37] <Seveas> salmenara, wiki.ubuntu.xom/RootSudo
[06:37] <cspan> but if you did an expert install you do have root
[06:37] <DefHandz> Alright, it really sounds like people are ignoring me.
[06:38] <iRonYk> i am not that new to this, but tell me, how do i output to a file?
[06:38] <nevyn> seraphiel: <jedi>you don't need to be root</jedi>
[06:38] <Seveas> DefHandz, can you be a bit more specific
[06:38] <Seveas> iRonYk, sudo apt-get update > output.txt
[06:38] <nevyn> cspan: s/must/should/
[06:38] <bigfoot> Seveas, are you saying that some programs don't have any shortcuts defined, and that the PC user must put them there manually?
[06:38] <DefHandz> Hm...
[06:38] <DefHandz> WEll, I just cant connect to the internet.
[06:38] <Seveas> bigfoot, yes, that'll change for breezy
[06:38] <iRonYk> no, no :) i mean, if i need to cancel the process, because update goes on and on telling me there is connection timeout
[06:38] <DefHandz> I switched from Windows XP to Kubuntu and it isnt finding the DHCP.
[06:39] <iRonYk> but if i cancel the operation, there is no output
[06:39] <DefHandz> Do I have to configure something?
[06:39] <Seveas> DefHandz, how did you setup your network connection? gui or command line?
[06:39] <salmenara> Thanks, HappyFool / cspan / Seveas
[06:39] <bigfoot> Seveas, is that so? are you getting news about breezy?
[06:39] <DefHandz> I went into Control Center and everytime i enabled the card, it disabled back.
[06:39] <DefHandz> -_-
[06:39] <salmenara> HappyFool: Where can I check my X configuration?
[06:39] <Seveas> bigfoot, the motu team will put a shortcut definition in packages that don't have one
[06:39] <DefHandz> Putting in the gateway made the Router light turn on where the cable is connected.
[06:39] <Seveas> DefHandz, maybe you should try the terminal command
[06:39] <DefHandz> What is that?
[06:40] <HappyFool> salmenara: well, other than /etc/X11/xorg.conf, i'm not sure how to check it
[06:40] <Seveas> DefHandz, open a root terminal with applications -> system tools -> root terminal
[06:40] <HappyFool> salmenara: to reconfigure, you can do 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[06:40] <daniels> salmenara: why do you want to mess with your X configuration?
[06:40] <xMaximex> sensors output :
[06:40] <salmenara> HappyFool: I have checked it and I have the same problem that in Debian
[06:40] <DefHandz> oK
[06:40] <DefHandz> and?
[06:40] <xMaximex> M/B Temp:    +28C  (high =  +105C, hyst =    +0C)
[06:40] <xMaximex> CPU Temp:  +50.0C  (high =   +95C, hyst =   +85C)          (beep)
[06:40] <xMaximex> but in gkrellm it's not that
[06:40] <Seveas> DefHandz, wired or wireless?
[06:40] <DefHandz> Wired.
[06:40] <xMaximex> how to fix ?
[06:40] <Seveas> DefHandz, type: ifconfig eth0 up
[06:40] <salmenara> HappyFool: I've got a i915 card that is recognized as VESA
[06:41] <salmenara> I don't like that
[06:41] <daniels> salmenara: is it i915, or i945?
[06:41] <Seveas> DefHandz (and hit enter)
[06:41] <salmenara> i915
[06:41] <daniels> salmenara: and does it really have Driver "vesa" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[06:41] <Seveas> DefHandz, after that type: dhclient eth0
[06:41] <Seveas> DefHandz (and hit enter)
[06:41] <daniels> (i8xx uses VBE very, very heavily)
[06:41] <DefHandz> O_O
[06:41] <salmenara> yes it is
[06:41] <DefHandz> It says permission denied..
[06:41] <daniels> salmenara: warty or hoary?
[06:41] <DefHandz> I only have one account on the OS though
[06:41] <slept> how can I find out more about build dependencies dpkg-checkbuilddeps just tells me : Unmet build dependencies: pcmcia-source kernel-source
[06:41] <salmenara> hoary
[06:41] <salmenara> 5.04
[06:41] <Seveas> DefHandz, did you open a *root* terminal?
[06:41] <DefHandz> There is no APplications
[06:41] <DefHandz> How so?
[06:41] <salmenara> daniel: Identifier	"Intel Corporation i915 Integrated Graphics Controller"
[06:41] <DefHandz> ah
[06:41] <DefHandz> Found it :)
[06:41] <salmenara> daniel: Driver		"vesa"
[06:41] <Seveas> ok
[06:41] <daniels> salmenara: change Driver "vesa" to Driver "i810", and file a bug with the output of lspci and lspci -v, package xserver-xorg, assigned to daniel.stone@ubuntu.com
[06:42] <Seveas> DefHandz, i'll be back in a few minutes, please hang on
[06:42] <DefHandz> Ok.
[06:43] <salmenara> daniels: ok !
[06:43] <salmenara> daniels: the file was open read-only
[06:43] <salmenara> I should sudo there
[06:43] <elcu> slept: you could always just search each dependencie if you wanted to.  someone might know of something better.
[06:43] <daniels> salmenara: yeah
[06:43] <elcu> *dependency
[06:43] <DefHandz> Seveas, I cannot log in to Root Shell, there is no root account.
[06:44] <daniels> DefHandz: that's not how it works
[06:44] <DefHandz> X_X
[06:44] <DefHandz> There is no password for root on this computer then.
[06:44] <DefHandz> What is the default??
[06:44] <Seveas> DefHandz, you need your own password for that
[06:45] <DefHandz> Tried that, it went back to the normal shell and the command still brought an permission denied.
[06:45] <cspan> hey, is ther an ubuntu ppc channel?
[06:45] <aneurin> hmmmm hardware-monitor doesn't want to play ball
[06:45] <salmenara> daniels: I'll restart..... see you in a while!
[06:46] <Seveas> DefHandz, are you still in that shell?
[06:46] <DefHandz> one moment.
[06:46] <DefHandz> Locked up on me, had to reboot.
[06:46] <DefHandz> -_-
[06:46] <Seveas> hmm :|
[06:47] <DefHandz> Alright, Konsole
[06:47] <DefHandz> session?
[06:47] <DefHandz> ROot Shell.
[06:47] <Seveas> are you in the root shell?
[06:47] <DefHandz> Password:
[06:47] <DefHandz> X_X
[06:47] <shiv> I am new to linux, can somebody guide me to have my sound up and running? Please...
[06:47] <DefHandz> I know it, but it isnt accepting it.
[06:47] <Seveas> hmm, you're on kde...
[06:48] <DefHandz> Yes.
[06:48] <Seveas> open a normal shell
[06:48] <darkaudit> and it's Arsenal! Arsenal FC!
[06:48] <DefHandz> Kubuntu
[06:48] <DefHandz> ok
[06:48] <darkaudit> We're by far the greatest team the world will ever see
[06:48] <Seveas> noe type: sudo -i
[06:48] <salmenara> darkaudit: how does that match ended?
[06:48] <DefHandz> command not found
[06:48] <Seveas> and give it *your* password
[06:48] <Seveas> sudo -i says command not found?!?
[06:48] <darkaudit> Arsenal wins 5-4 on penalties after match ended 0-0 AET
[06:49] <DefHandz> oh
[06:49] <DefHandz> No :P
[06:49] <DefHandz> One second
[06:49] <Seveas> ah :)
[06:49] <Laforge> Hello i was wondering if anyone knew how to set up a network
[06:49] <DefHandz> you said noe type:
[06:49] <DefHandz> So I was like, oh ok
[06:49] <DefHandz> XD
[06:49] <DefHandz> Worked!
[06:49] <Seveas> haha
[06:49] <DefHandz> Thanks
[06:49] <Seveas> ok
[06:49] <Laforge> I have tulip installed but i don't have ethernet working
[06:49] <Seveas> now type the following:
[06:49] <Seveas> mii-diag eth0
[06:49] <DefHandz> ok
[06:49] <DefHandz> Ok.
[06:49] <Seveas> does that say "you have link beat" or "Link status: not established"?
[06:50] <DefHandz> not established.
[06:50] <Seveas> hmm, there's something wrong with your physical connection or network card driver then
[06:50] <DefHandz> X_X
[06:50] <DefHandz> Crap/
[06:50] <Seveas> what type of network card do you have?
[06:51] <DefHandz> X_X Not a clue atm
[06:51] <Seveas> type this in that shell: lspci | grep Ethernet
[06:51] <Seveas> and type it's output in here
[06:51] <DefHandz> Two of em
[06:51] <DefHandz> one second
[06:51] <DefHandz> Onboard and nic..
[06:52] <shiv> I am new to linux, can somebody guide me to have my sound up and running? Please...
[06:52] <Seveas> hmm, do you have an nforce mobo and is it plugged in the onboard one DefHandz ?
[06:52] <XromatX> Seveas, could NAT on the router cause, that i cannot connect to the official kubuntu reps?
[06:52] <DefHandz> No, I have a..
[06:52] <DefHandz> Er..
[06:52] <DefHandz> PCCHIPS
[06:52] <Seveas> XromatX, not really
[06:52] <Seveas> ok, then we need the output of lspci :)
[06:53] <DefHandz> 0000:00:01.1 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) Si900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 83)
[06:53] <Ali_Baba> shiv: look Ubuntu forum Sound HOWTOS :)
[06:54] <Seveas> DefHandz, and the other?
[06:54] <DefHandz> 0000:00:0b.0 Ethernet Controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21041 (Tulip Pass 3) (rev 21)
[06:54] <DefHandz> That is the one I am plugged into.
[06:54] <Ali_Baba> shiv: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567 heres one.
[06:54] <Seveas> DefHandz, and you are sure the cable is connected to the router too?
[06:54] <DefHandz> yes,
[06:55] <IcemanV9> is it possible to run X over ssh from host box (with X) on a client box (without X installed)??
[06:55] <Seveas> can you try plugging it in the other card please
[06:55] <DefHandz> Its onboard. Yes.
[06:55] <DefHandz> :)
[06:55] <Seveas> oh wait!
[06:55] <Seveas> DefHandz, still there?
[06:55] <DefHandz> O_O
[06:55] <DefHandz> Yes
[06:55] <DefHandz> i switched it.
[06:55] <DefHandz> What...
[06:55] <Seveas> try mii-diag eth1
[06:55] <DefHandz> X_X
[06:55] <DefHandz> ok
[06:55] <Seveas> does that one also say "not established"?
[06:56] <DefHandz> Operation not supported...
[06:56] <DefHandz> X_X
[06:56] <Seveas> in the root shell?
[06:56] <surman> what version is breezy?
[06:56] <DefHandz> mmhm
[06:56] <surman> 5.04?
[06:56] <Seveas> surman, it will be 5.10
[06:56] <surman> k
[06:56] <Seveas> but it's not usable yet :)
[06:56] <surman> k
[06:56] <DefHandz> WOA
[06:56] <DefHandz> Eth0 works not
[06:57] <DefHandz> now
[06:57] <DefHandz> You have link beat
[06:57] <DefHandz> O_O
[06:57] <Seveas> nice :)
[06:57] <surman> ubuntu work well with netgear FA311 network card?
[06:57] <DefHandz> everything is working OK.
[06:57] <DefHandz> Alright, time to check...
[06:57] <Seveas> dhcp too?
[06:57] <Laforge> Does anyone know how to set up a Ethernet when i have Tulip installed
[06:57] <DefHandz> Gr.
[06:57] <DefHandz> Didnt work...
[06:57] <goldfish> Laforge: Did you install the ethernet card after you installed ubuntu?
[06:57] <Seveas> ok, try the mii-diag again DefHandz
[06:57] <Seveas> for eth0
[06:57] <DefHandz> Ok.
[06:58] <DefHandz> Yeah, thats what I did I mean
[06:58] <Laforge> Goldfish, no, when ubuntu installed it coulnd't detect the card
[06:58] <goldfish> k
[06:58] <DefHandz> I did 0 again and that said link beat
[06:58] <Seveas> ok
[06:58] <Seveas> now do this in the terminal:
[06:58] <Seveas> ifconfig eth0 up
[06:58] <Seveas> dhclient eth0
[06:59] <Seveas> and see what that does
[06:59] <iRonYk6> ok, Seveas, i posted the console output, would u have a look at it? I am ready to give up on it
[06:59] <DefHandz> sweet
[06:59] <DefHandz> bound to (IP)
[06:59] <DefHandz> >:P
[06:59] <DefHandz> Not telling
[06:59] <DefHandz> well
[06:59] <Laforge> Goldfish any ideas?
[06:59] <DefHandz> I think this will work
[06:59] <DefHandz> Swweeet
[06:59] <DefHandz> Workage.
[06:59] <DefHandz> :)
[06:59] <Seveas> nice :)
[06:59] <DefHandz> Thank you Seveas
[06:59] <Seveas> DefHandz, ok, now to automate it :)
[06:59] <iRonYk6> wait a second, why is it connecting through port 80?
[06:59] <Seveas> because otherwise you'll have to do this all the time
[06:59] <surman> Seveas i might need some help with my eth after i install ubuntu :)
[06:59] <DefHandz> mmhm
[06:59] <DefHandz> Ok?
[06:59] <goldfish> Laforge: nah, sorry :/ emmm, have u checked the forums?
[07:00] <Seveas> iRonYk, because all downloads are http
[07:00] <Laforge> not at the moment
[07:00] <Laforge> i like the help i get here better, much faster
[07:00] <iRonYk6> but my proxy works on 8080
[07:00] <Seveas> DefHandz, do this in a *normal* shell, not a root shell:
[07:00] <DefHandz> ok
[07:00] <Seveas> sudo gedit /etc/interfaces
[07:00] <surman> is only 1 cd needed for ubuntu?
[07:00] <Seveas> sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[07:00] <surman> cause its just a gnome standard right?
[07:00] <Seveas> only the lst one, sorry
[07:01] <Seveas> surman, there is 1 install cd and several gigabytes in the archives :)
[07:01] <DefHandz> sudo:gedit: command not found
[07:01] <DefHandz> O_O
[07:01] <Seveas> argh
[07:01] <Seveas> DefHandz, sorry
[07:01] <Seveas> sudo kate /etc/network/interfaces
[07:01] <DefHandz> X_X
[07:01] <DefHandz> oh ok
[07:01] <goldfish> nano !
[07:01] <Seveas> you are on kde, i forgot that :)
[07:02] <DefHandz> :P
[07:02] <cspan> Seveas, kate doesn't seem to work with sudo
[07:02] <DefHandz> I like KDE. Gnome isnt that fun to me.
[07:02] <DefHandz> :P
[07:02] <cspan> at least in my machine
[07:02] <cspan> i like kde too
[07:02] <DefHandz> Oh
[07:02] <Seveas> iRonYk, see apt/conf.d for proxy settings
[07:02] <DefHandz> Didnt work on me
[07:02] <DefHandz> XD
[07:02] <DefHandz> Kate crashed
[07:02] <DefHandz> XD
[07:02] <cspan> it looks better
[07:02] <Seveas> hehe
[07:02] <Seveas> ok, so we'll stay in the konsole:
[07:02] <Seveas> sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[07:02] <Seveas> and please resize your konsole to full screen :)
[07:03] <DefHandz> Woa woa, how did you know it wasnt?
[07:03] <DefHandz> XD
[07:03] <Seveas> :)
[07:03] <DefHandz> No, really.
[07:03] <DefHandz> O_o
[07:03] <Seveas> did it work?
[07:03] <DefHandz> Yes
[07:03] <DefHandz> Im in some edit
[07:03] <Seveas> ok, do you see a line in that file that says 'auto eth0' ?
[07:03] <DefHandz> nope.
[07:03] <DefHandz> auto lo
[07:04] <DefHandz> under that is iface lo inet loopback
[07:04] <goldfish> DefHandz: down the very end?
[07:04] <jinxi> how do u make a screenshot from my terminal?
[07:04] <DefHandz> Eh
[07:04] <DefHandz> XD
[07:04] <kRomatX> seveas, i have solved it, it was the proxy issue
[07:04] <kRomatX> and the port
[07:04] <DefHandz> nope
[07:04] <goldfish> jinxi: gnome?
[07:04] <DefHandz> bottom has iface eth0 inet
[07:04] <jinxi> yes
[07:04] <Seveas> DefHandz, just inet?
[07:04] <DefHandz> yes...
[07:04] <goldfish> jinxi: in the computer menubar, there is a screenshot app.
[07:04] <Seveas> and no more lines with eth0?
[07:04] <DefHandz> nope.
[07:05] <Seveas> ok, change that line with eth0
[07:05] <DefHandz> to?
[07:05] <Seveas> it should be: iface eth0 inet dhcp
[07:05] <DefHandz> Ok
[07:05] <Seveas> and below that line add a new one containing: auto eth0
[07:05] <DefHandz> Now what
[07:05] <DefHandz> Save?
[07:05] <DefHandz> Oh ok
[07:05] <bobgreen5s> j
[07:05] <Seveas> and now save with <ctrl> + O
[07:05] <DefHandz> ok
[07:05] <DefHandz> wrote 19 lines
[07:05] <DefHandz> woot.
[07:05] <Seveas> and then exit with <ctrl> + X
[07:05] <DefHandz> close konsole?
[07:05] <DefHandz> ok
[07:06] <Seveas> then you can close konsole
[07:06] <DefHandz> yay
[07:06] <Seveas> it should work from now on :)
[07:06] <DefHandz> INternet = connectored.
[07:06] <DefHandz> :)
[07:06] <DefHandz> THanks
[07:06] <DefHandz> I like Kubuntu
[07:06] <DefHandz> ok
[07:08] <DefHandz> Heh.
[07:08] <DefHandz> Fixed.
[07:08] <DefHandz> 500 NICKS?
[07:08] <goldfish> yus.
[07:08] <goldfish> irc.ubuntu.org will be needed soon if it keeps going like this :)
[07:10] <DefHandz> O_O
[07:10] <DefHandz> Yikes
[07:10] <DefHandz> So, is there a .com too?
[07:11] <goldfish> hmmmmm
[07:13] <mirak> hi
[07:13] <mirak> hi
[07:13] <goldfish> hello
[07:14] <slept> Is there a reason why I can apt-get source modconf but not the deb ? Are there problems with the kernel images and modconf ?
[07:14] <mirak> what means "unraveled" and "barking" ?
[07:15] <xMaximex> How to tell gkrellm to use lm-sensors info to show cpu temp ??
[07:16] <incorrect> can you script fdisk?
[07:18] <batma8> hey guys
[07:18] <batma8> wow
[07:18] <batma8> linux is a whole new world
[07:19] <petroleum> indeed
[07:19] <batma8> so where do i go from here :)
[07:19] <batma8> i love it tho, hella fast
[07:19] <batma8> but im still trying to figure out how to install stuff
[07:19] <batma8> and how to naviage my system
[07:19] <surman> can i mnt windows in ubuntu?
[07:19] <goldfish> yes
[07:19] <K_Dallas> surman, sure
[07:20] <goldfish> batma8: www.ubuntuguide.org is a good place to start.
[07:20] <omeg> Hey, guys
[07:20] <starignus> hi
[07:20] <batma8> thank you goldfish
[07:20] <omeg> I'm wondering, Ubuntu probably won't work on a 150MHz laptop, right? :)
[07:20] <Galaxieretter> Hello everyone, I'm new to Liniux as a whole, and I was wondering what the Minimmum System requirements were for Ubnut
[07:20] <K_Dallas> surman, this is what i have in /etc/fstab:
[07:20] <K_Dallas> /dev/hda1       /media/windows/C  ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[07:20] <omeg> I'm asking for a friend of mine. he wants to get Linux on his 150MHz. Maybe you guys know a good distro that will run on a system with those specs.
[07:21] <omeg> x86, that is.
[07:21] <Galaxieretter> *Ubunyu
[07:21] <omeg> Heh, Galaxieretter :p
[07:21] <K_Dallas> omeg: have a look at distrowattch.com
[07:21] <K_Dallas> -t
[07:21] <surman> nice
[07:21] <surman> k
[07:21] <omeg> Okay, thanks
[07:21] <surman> ubuntu looks great :)
[07:21] <Laforge> Can anyone help me setting up ethernet on a ADMtek card with tulip installed
[07:21] <[noobuntu] > Galaxieretter, join ubuntu-de
[07:21] <starignus> i need help, i want to update firefox from the synaptic, but there are some libraries that can be marked to be install , i have to add some repositories, i think , but i don't know wich ones????
[07:22] <surman> debian based ya?
[07:22] <K_Dallas> surman, it is
[07:22] <Galaxieretter> ok
[07:23] <surman> where are the rpms in the ubuntu-install-amd64.iso?
[07:23] <Galaxieretter> thanks
[07:23] <surman> or does it use .deb?
[07:23] <surman> oh
[07:23] <surman> :)
[07:23] <goldfish> hehe
[07:23] <K_Dallas> it uses debian packaging
[07:24] <surman> i'm an idiot :)
[07:24] <K_Dallas> nope, you are exploring
[07:24] <surman> :)
[07:24] <surman> i'm used to suse
[07:24] <surman> time to burn this iso
[07:25] <K_Dallas> i used suse too but got tired of acting like i was using windows so i decided to switch to something real, a real linux
[07:25] <K_Dallas> surman, you burning on windows or suse
[07:25] <K_Dallas> if on windows do not use nero
[07:25] <refuze2looze> what's not "real" about suse
[07:26] <goldfish> hmmmm
[07:26] <goldfish> K_Dallas: why not use nero?
[07:26] <surman> real?
[07:26] <K_Dallas> refuze2looze, too much gui for me
[07:26] <cspan> gui is good
[07:26] <surman> suse is great for newbies to linux
[07:26] <surman> :)
[07:26] <omeg> distrowatch is a nice site, but how do I know if distributions will actually work properly on such old (150MHz) computers? there's not a search option for older computers.
[07:26] <refuze2looze> K_Dallas: i didn't like it either, but it's still "really" linux =)
[07:26] <K_Dallas> goldfish, i have experienced and read that nero does not burn many of the recent linux isos
[07:26] <goldfish> K_Dallas: Oh right.
[07:26] <surman> time to boot to suse then
[07:26] <goldfish> surman: not as good as ubuntu
[07:26] <goldfish> :)
[07:27] <cspan> K_Dallas, if you want a hardcore cli experience why don't you go for gentoo or debian?
[07:27] <K_Dallas> refuze2looze, if i treat it like windows and use less xterm then it is windows to me ;) but you are right
[07:27] <mpm> anyone have any recommendations for Web-design software to run on Ubuntu, or for good opensource CMS?
[07:27] <Ali_Baba> ubuntu is best at the moment :)
[07:27] <K_Dallas> i use debian and gentoo was a waste of time on my part
[07:27] <surman> where are the md5 checksums for ubuntu?
[07:27] <BurgerMann> mpm, Quanta
[07:27] <K_Dallas> but why not slackware ;)
[07:27] <starignus>  i need help, i want to update firefox from the synaptic, but there are some libraries that can be marked to be install , i have to add some repositories, i think , but i don't know which ones????
[07:28] <goldfish> K_Dallas: Is slack good, i just downloaded the 10.1 iso's gonna try it next week.
[07:28] <BurgerMann> mpm, Quanta+ that is...
[07:28] <K_Dallas> i loved it when i was using it then i discovered debian ;)
[07:28] <refuze2looze> K_Dallas: i used to use suse 9.2 pro. ubuntu is the best tho
[07:28] <goldfish> hmmmm
[07:28] <K_Dallas> the last suse i used was 9.2 pro
[07:28] <refuze2looze> goldfish: yeah slack is good. it's fast
[07:28] <mpm> surman: md5s are on the dl pages, IE http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[07:29] <K_Dallas> in my experience debian has been the fastest on my system then fedora and then slackware. mandrake and suse the slowest
[07:29] <mpm> BurgerMann: thanks
[07:29] <goldfish> refuze2looze: Cool, that's what I'm looking for, for my laptop, something fast.
[07:29] <K_Dallas> but i have heard suse 9.3 has gained some speed
[07:29] <refuze2looze> goldfish: ubuntu is also fast though
[07:29] <K_Dallas> it is indeed
[07:29] <refuze2looze> K_Dallas: debian and fedora faster than slack? i'm surprised..
[07:30] <goldfish> yeah i have ubuntu on my laptop right now
[07:30] <refuze2looze> suse 9.2 was slow
[07:30] <K_Dallas> well i am on a crappy hardware :)
[07:30] <refuze2looze> the pro came with some good packages though
[07:30] <batma8> ok..im at ubuntuguide, and i see how to install stuff...but where the hell is the dos lookin window that i put commands into :)
[07:30] <goldfish> batma8: hehe
[07:30] <goldfish> batma8: called a terminal.
[07:30] <batma8> :)
[07:30] <batma8> ok
[07:30] <batma8> all i needed
[07:30] <batma8> thanks bro
[07:30] <Ali_Baba> :)
[07:30] <goldfish> no problem
[07:30] <batma8> im a dork
[07:30] <goldfish> nah
[07:30] <batma8> a dumb dork tho
[07:30] <K_Dallas> refuze2looze, i did not perform a real speed test so i could be really off but debian is definitely the fastest i have used
[07:30] <batma8> windows has warped my little fragile mind
[07:30] <goldfish> :)
[07:31] <Ali_Baba> just a newbie you are :)
[07:31] <K_Dallas> :)
[07:31] <goldfish> you have to start somewhere
[07:31] <refuze2looze> goldfish: if you're really in need for more speed, try using xfce instead of gnome or even fluxbox
[07:31] <batma8> i want to get good with this..its already kickin the hell out of my windows system
[07:31] <goldfish> refuze2looze: I am running xfce atm.
[07:31] <K_Dallas> ok guys, it was nice chatting with you. have a great weekend and see you in a few hours ;)
[07:31] <BurgerMann> mpm, for opensource CMS I think mambo should do
[07:31] <goldfish> batma8: Cool.
[07:31] <refuze2looze> goldfish: and it's still running too slow?
[07:32] <goldfish> well it's not slow
[07:32] <refuze2looze> oh
[07:32] <refuze2looze> hehe
[07:32] <goldfish> just looking for something faster :)
[07:32] <goldfish> If it exists.
[07:32] <refuze2looze> have you tried fluxbox? it's freakin fast
[07:32] <goldfish> yep
[07:32] <goldfish> It is.
[07:32] <batma8> do i just run the regular terminal from my system menu
[07:32] <goldfish> I just havent had time to set it up to a way i like.
[07:32] <goldfish> batma8: yep.
[07:32] <batma8> thanks bro
[07:32] <refuze2looze> ubuntu with gnome runs fast enough on my p4 2.8 though
[07:33] <helio7> goldfish have you tried xfce?
[07:33] <refuze2looze> fast than winxp ;)
[07:33] <refuze2looze> faster*
[07:33] <Ali_Baba> i got xp 2000+ ubuntu is running nice with gnome.
[07:33] <goldfish> helio7: yep
[07:33] <goblin-ivv> Hi! whot is spek  russian?
[07:33] <didinux> hello all
[07:34] <didinux> first excuse my english
[07:34] <BurgerMann> Switching to Ubuntu Linux from WinXp's the best darned thing I ever did on a computer.. I'm still thrilled about it..
[07:34] <didinux> i want to know how to turn up the acpi on my laptop :)
[07:34] <refuze2looze> i ran suse before ubuntu
[07:35] <refuze2looze> didinux: hoary should have acpi support by default
[07:36] <didinux> but i dont have it :s
[07:36] <refuze2looze> check if acpi-support is installed in synaptic
[07:36] <refuze2looze> or apt-get acpi-support
[07:36] <goblin-ivv> plise help me find russian ubuntu LUG
[07:37] <didinux> i have acpi and acpi_availible commands
[07:37] <didinux> that means that is installed ?
[07:37] <Xgates> hey all any compile pros in?
[07:37] <refuze2looze> didinux: did you check "acpi-support"?
[07:37] <whyameye> is there a way to make the fonts in menus of applications smaller?
[07:38] <Xgates> I take it since Ubuntu uses i386 in their packs then the DEV team is using ---> -march=i386 mcpu=i686?
[07:38] <goldfish> Xgates: #ubuntu-dev maybe ...
[07:38] <daniels> -mcpu=pentium4
[07:38] <didinux> refuze2looze yes it is installed
[07:39] <refuze2looze> didinux: then it's already installed...
[07:39] <refuze2looze> didinux: what's not working?
[07:39] <Xgates> goldfish: I just went to #ubuntu-dev and it's empty
[07:39] <Xgates> hehe
[07:39] <goldfish> woops
[07:39] <goldfish> hmm
[07:39] <Xgates> is that the correct channel name?
[07:39] <didinux> the icone that show the battery stat
[07:40] <daniels> Xgates: see above
[07:40] <refuze2looze> didnux: right click on the panel, go to add to panel, and choose Battery Charge Monitor
[07:40] <didinux> refuze2looze the icone that show the battery stat
[07:40] <Xgates> I got it
[07:40] <Xgates> :-)
[07:41] <usual> holy shit
[07:41] <didinux> refuze2looze i done it
[07:41] <usual> Xgates:
[07:41] <batma8> so does ubuntu typically run alot faster than windows?
[07:41] <refuze2looze> didinux: and it isn't working?
[07:41] <goldfish> batma8: yep
[07:41] <refuze2looze> batma8: hell yea
[07:41] <didinux> refuze2looze no at all
[07:41] <refuze2looze> didinux: i dont know then..
[07:41] <batma8> definately alot more pleasing to the eye..
[07:41] <batma8> now i have to learn...alot
[07:41] <jay> didinux: checked to see if you have the latest BIOS available?
[07:41] <didinux> refuze2looze thak u very mutch
[07:41] <chez> typically - probably coz u don't have AV spyware and all the other rubbish runing
[07:41] <batma8> and i need to get my emulators running on it
[07:42] <refuze2looze> batma8: which ones?
[07:42] <didinux>  jay i dont know how to verify ?
[07:42] <batma8> snes and n64
[07:42] <batma8> only 2 i care about
[07:42] <batma8> for now
[07:42] <Xgates> usual: ?
[07:42] <refuze2looze> batma8: i know there's zsnes and snes9x, i used em before.. it's like the same ones as the windows ones
[07:42] <refuze2looze> i'm assuming there's an n64 emu too, haven't installed one tho
[07:42] <Xgates> batma8: Linux runs alot faster then Windows
[07:42] <chez> I had trouble building zsnes
[07:43] <batma8> yah...but i dunno how to install em
[07:43] <jay> didinux: when the computer is starting up you should look for the bios revision.  or go into the bios setup and look.  then check on the mfct's website.  what brand/model is this?
[07:43] <batma8> im still tryin to figure this world out
[07:43] <chez> what compilers would I need?
[07:43] <batma8> one thing i have noticed, my computer runs colder in linux
[07:43] <refuze2looze> batma8: you can installl them from synaptic with the universe/multiverse sources enabled
[07:43] <didinux> jay model = phoenix
[07:43] <Xgates> WELL since Ubuntu is SO FRIGGIN behind with firefox I thought I'd compile 1.0.4 and try to get it released for everyone
[07:43] <usual> must be a different xgates
[07:43] <incorrect> there don't seem to be many packages?
[07:43] <refuze2looze> chez: you install it from synaptic and you will have no problems
[07:43] <dcraven> Xgates: It's already in backports.
[07:43] <batma8> today is my first day in linux..im still tryin to figure out how to wipe my ass straight
[07:43] <chez> kewl cheers
[07:44] <batma8> ehhe
[07:44] <jay> Xgates: it has all the security fixes backported.  there haven't been new features in firefox
[07:44] <dcraven> batma8: Welcome aboard.
[07:44] <batma8> im lovin it
[07:44] <jay> so having 1.0.4 doesn't really matter....
[07:44] <dcraven> batma8: Hope you like it.
[07:44] <batma8> just very hard to get around yet
[07:44] <batma8> learning system structure
[07:44] <refuze2looze> dcraven: the 1.0.4 in backports seems to have something screwed up with it. when you try to go to the firefox plugins site it still tells you that you're version isn't 1.0.4
[07:44] <batma8> and the instalations definatly arent as straight forwars
[07:44] <dcraven> batma8: Start by forgetting everything you learned by using Windows. That'll make learning it alot easier.
[07:44] <HappyFool> Xgates: and you can set general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4 to get to mozilla's extension page
[07:44] <batma8> kinda miss just clickin the exe
[07:44] <batma8> ehhehe
[07:45] <dcraven> refuze2looze: Oh. I haven't tried that since I upgraded.
[07:45] <batma8> still cant play avis yet
[07:45] <batma8> i went thru the multimedia tutorial
[07:45] <chez> batma8
[07:45] <batma8> chez
[07:45] <refuze2looze> dcraven: yeah, after that i just disabled the backports
[07:46] <refuze2looze> batma8: do you know how to use synaptic?
[07:46] <chez> p-0 actually nevermind already been said, sorry
[07:46] <batma8> nope
[07:46] <batma8> not yet
[07:46] <batma8> what is synaptic
[07:46] <refuze2looze> batma8: well that will make everything much simpler.. it's the package installer
[07:46] <batma8> ok..soooooo go get it then
[07:46] <batma8> eheheh
[07:46] <refuze2looze> batma8: click on System -> Administrative -> Synaptic
[07:46] <refuze2looze> enter your password
[07:46] <chez> there is a wicked script on ubutu forms which among other things will dload all the win32 codecs, dvd codec etc you need
[07:47] <refuze2looze> batma8: this is where you should install all of your software from
[07:47] <batma8> yah..i ran thru that.on my terminal right
[07:47] <carthik_> I am trying to run a server from home, but folks get "connection refused" what should I do? apache2 is installed and the pages load fine for me
[07:47] <refuze2looze> batma8: no you don't need to use your terminal. it's a gui. it's the gui frontend for "apt-get"
[07:48] <chez> firewall?
[07:48] <batma8> right
[07:48] <refuze2looze> carthik_: probably apache is configured incorrectly
[07:48] <Hackmo> Hey all, can someone help me with my webcam?
[07:48] <batma8> i was sayin i installed codecs from the terminal when i first started this mornin
[07:48] <refuze2looze> batma8: so are you in synaptic? i'll help you get .avi's working
[07:48] <carthik_> refuze2looze, chez, I believe it a firewall problem. I can access my website just fine from home
[07:48] <batma8> im in there
[07:48] <batma8> :)
[07:48] <carthik_> http://1.sh.nu is the site, by the way
[07:48] <batma8> should i keep usin totem for vid?
[07:49] <Hackmo> When I try to use my webcam it says that it cannot load the device because it is already in use, but there is no other program using it
[07:49] <refuze2looze> batma8: no you should use VLC
[07:49] <batma8> vlc
[07:49] <HappyFool> carthik_: type 'netstat -nlt' to check that you are indeed listening on port 80 on all network interfaces
[07:49] <carthik_> chez, does iptables run by default on ubuntu? I dont remember installing a firewall
[07:49] <rosco> hi
[07:49] <refuze2looze> batma8: in synaptic go to Settings -> Repositories
[07:49] <Hackmo> although it has a red light which usually only comes on when it is in use which has been on since I plugged it in
[07:49] <rosco> anyone knows how to make the trackpad work on ubuntu ?
[07:49] <batma8> ok done
[07:49] <HappyFool> no, ubuntu has a default 'don't listen on external interfaces' policy. i don't think it applies to apache though.. (not sure)
[07:49] <carthik_> HappyFool, tcp6       0      0 :::80                   :::*                    LISTEN
[07:50] <refuze2looze> batma8: now remove any of the repositories that says (source), you wont be needing em
[07:50] <rosco> anyone knows how to make the trackpad of a powerbook work on ubuntu ?
[07:50] <chez> thats a good point actually, I don't remeber setting up the fw during install
[07:50] <carthik_> HappyFool, so what can I do now. It seems to be listening alright
[07:50] <chez> bit of a newb to ubutu tbh
[07:50] <nalioth> rosco:  it doesnt worl ootb?
[07:50] <Hackmo> anyone?
[07:50] <batma8> all i have in there is cd ubuntu
[07:50] <nalioth> rosco: thats unusual
[07:50] <HappyFool> carthik_: is there any possibility your ISP is blocking incoming connections on port 80 ?
[07:50] <refuze2looze> batma8: as for the binary ones, edit them and add "universe multiverse" to sections. this will add all packages available from ubuntu repositories to download
[07:51] <carthik_> HappyFool, ah! touche! I would never know
[07:51] <rosco> nalioth: 2 week ago, the tackpad wasn't working. I've read that the very last version of the powerbook had a modification that make the trackpad bug on ubuntu
[07:51] <MonkeyBonkey> Hallo
[07:51] <Hackmo> Anyone here use a webcam?
[07:51] <MonkeyBonkey> i have one
[07:51] <MonkeyBonkey> hey hackmo i got a question
[07:51] <rosco> nalioth: some people with "old" PB can use the trackpad, the new PB cannot
[07:51] <refuze2looze> batma8: then click OK and 'Reload'. with me so far??
[07:52] <Hackmo> MonkeyBonkey: does yours work?
[07:52] <carthik_> HappyFool, I have forwarded the ports to my computer, at the router... bt I think that it might be that the ISP blocks connections to port 80
[07:52] <refuze2looze> Hackmo: yes.. a USB webcam. i just plugged it in and it worked right away
[07:52] <rosco> nalioth: some kind of USB interface for the trackpad...
[07:52] <MonkeyBonkey> i got a lightweight desktop env for Ubuntu , now how would i install it
[07:52] <batma8> with you\
[07:52] <batma8> it says it could not dload all the repository indexes
[07:52] <refuze2looze> batma8: now search for "VLC" and you should see a package VLC. check it and hit apply
[07:52] <HappyFool> carthik_: maybe we can try another port using say nc to listen, and i can try to connect to that
[07:52] <MonkeyBonkey> I got a lightweight desktop env for ubuntu now how would i install it
[07:53] <MonkeyBonkey> ?
[07:53] <Hackmo> MonkeyBonkey: Sorry I dunno, check if it's in the repositories and if it is install it that way
[07:53] <carthik_> HappyFool, I would be glad to try 8080 ?
[07:53] <refuze2looze> batma8: hmm, did it find VLC though?
[07:53] <carthik_> HappyFool, how do I "open" port 8080?
[07:53] <Kartagis> hello
[07:53] <HappyFool> carthik_: ok, you can either setup your apache or just type 'nc -l -p 8080' at a terminal
[07:53] <Xgates> what IDIOTS in the devel channel
[07:53] <MonkeyBonkey> n e on else know how to install desktop env on ubuntu
[07:53] <batma8> nope
[07:53] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey,  Huh?
[07:53] <refuze2looze> monkeybonkey: you mean a windowmaker?
[07:54] <Kartagis> MonkeyBonkey: what desktop environment?
[07:54] <dr_willis> WIndowManager :P
[07:54] <MonkeyBonkey> no a desktop enviroment
[07:54] <MonkeyBonkey> ya
[07:54] <batma8> hmm
[07:54] <dr_willis> Gnome and KDE are both Desktop Enviroments.
[07:54] <carthik_> HappyFool, .. and that will cause apache to use 8080 ?
[07:54] <HappyFool> no
[07:54] <MonkeyBonkey> Gnome goes too slow
[07:54] <batma8> cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] /dists/hoary/Release: Unable to find expected entry  universe/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[07:54] <HappyFool> that will just setup a listener on 8080, which won't actually do anything
[07:54] <chrille> Ngon som vet hur jag fr igng min hrddisk som jag har satt i nu nr jag kr linux ubuntu
[07:54] <Kartagis> apt-get install kde
[07:54] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey,  then fire up Synaptic and start installing.
[07:54] <refuze2looze> monkeybonkey: you just install them from synaptic or apt-get
[07:54] <carthik_> HappyFool, I did that, and it seems like it is "running"
[07:54] <HappyFool> standby
[07:55] <MonkeyBonkey> would i have to put em on a cd for them to run with Synaptic
[07:55] <HappyFool> carthik_: did you see the 'connected?' ?
[07:55] <MonkeyBonkey> cuz right now i just have em on a flash drive
[07:55] <dr_willis> If gnome is too slow.. Hmm.. You may want to  consider XFCE4
[07:55] <carthik_> HappyFool, yup
[07:55] <MonkeyBonkey> ya thats waht i downloaded
[07:55] <HappyFool> carthik_: ok, it looks like port 80 is blocked then
[07:55] <carthik_> HappyFool, so it would work with 8080 eh?
[07:55] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey, with the right apt-get sources they will download from the itnernet.
[07:55] <MonkeyBonkey> which version of it would i download, debian?
[07:55] <Hackmo> MonkeyBonkey: no, if you find them in synaptic then all you need to do is right click on the program name and click "mark for installation"
[07:55] <dr_willis> dont download any. let synaptic do it.
[07:55] <ditza`h> can any1 help? i have a problem with nvidia & xorg
[07:55] <HappyFool> carthik_: yeah, you could advertise your site as http://1.sh.nu:8080
[07:55] <carthik_> HappyFool, I would be extremely grateful if you could tell me how to have apache use 8080 instead of 80
[07:55] <MonkeyBonkey> k
[07:56] <MonkeyBonkey> thanks for the help
[07:56] <HappyFool> carthik_: um, i think it's not too hard. let me have a quick look...
[07:56] <refuze2looze> monkeybonkey: then when you log out you hit "sessions" and choose which de to run
[07:56] <Kartagis> what line in /etc/postfix/main.cf or what .conf file in /etc/ do I have to edit so that my mail goes as user@domain and not user@localhost.localdomain?
[07:56] <chrille> Skriv ett mail te mig hur man gr! ngon snlla! christian@dataminnet.se
[07:56] <Hackmo> Can anyone help me with my webcam problem?
[07:56] <Hackmo> Everytime I try to use it I get the error message that it is already in use
[07:56] <MonkeyBonkey> how do i download xfce, it takes me to this http://www.us.xfce.org/archive/xfce-4.2.2/
[07:56] <ditza`h> can any1 help? i have a problem with nvidia & xorg
[07:57] <Hackmo> but there is no other programs using it, although the red light that usually only shows when it is in use has been on since bootup
[07:57] <Hackmo> anyone got any ideas?
[07:57] <HappyFool> carthik_: according to this: http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/mpm_common.html#listen
[07:57] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey,  you fire up synaptic and search for xfce.. click on the box's and hit apply.
[07:57] <MonkeyBonkey> but wait
[07:57] <HappyFool> carthik_: you just need a 'Listen 8080' in your config file somewhere
[07:57] <MonkeyBonkey> which xfce do i download http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=19869&release_id=327811
[07:58] <Kartagis> MonkeyBonkey: nevermind synaptic, open up a console, become root and type apt-get install xfce
[07:58] <goldfish> u need to sudo
[07:58] <carthik_> HappyFool, /etc/apache2/ports.conf -> Can you please try http://1.sh.nu:8080 ?
[07:58] <MonkeyBonkey> but the computer with ubuntu doesent have internet
[07:58] <HappyFool> i think you could probably just add a file like 'listen8080' in /etc/apache/conf.d (or is it /etc/httpd/conf.d?) with the single line 'Listen 8080'
[07:58] <HappyFool> ok
[07:58] <MonkeyBonkey> so i need to doownload it on this windows computer im on
[07:58] <MonkeyBonkey> and then transfer over
[07:58] <HappyFool> carthik_: "Nothing here, move on!" ?
[07:58] <Kartagis> sudo apt-get install xfce
[07:58] <HappyFool> carthik_: you see an entry in your logs as well
[07:59] <goldfish> xfce4
[07:59] <Kartagis> MonkeyBonkey: why not come on linux?
[07:59] <carthik_> HappyFool, great! This is what this was all about : http://1.sh.nu:8080/plotbot/wordpress/wordpress-current.png
[07:59] <MonkeyBonkey> cuz my linux comp doesent have intenet yet
[07:59] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey,  then i think that should be a priority to fix first
[07:59] <incorrect> so there must be more packages apt-setup didn't give me everything did it?
[07:59] <Kartagis> MonkeyBonkey: and you can't share the connection?
[08:00] <carthik_> HappyFool++
[08:00] <HappyFool> carthik_: looks computer-sciency! :-)
[08:00] <Keizer> Does Flash use esound to play music or ALSA?
[08:00] <MonkeyBonkey> cant i just download the files and put em on linux?
[08:00] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey,  you COULD - but figuring out what files - is the problem
[08:00] <MonkeyBonkey> i just dont know what file to download
[08:00] <MonkeyBonkey> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=19869&release_id=327811
[08:00] <Ali_Baba> you should get net working now :)
[08:00] <dr_willis> it wont be just ONE file.
[08:00] <Kartagis> what line in /etc/postfix/main.cf or what .conf file in /etc/ do I have to edit so that my mail goes as user@domain and not user@localhost.localdomain?
[08:01] <dr_willis> plus you neeed to get internet working sooner or later.
[08:01] <MonkeyBonkey> but wait. cant i just get like the files off the internet and then burn em on a cd and woulod they work with that symtec instaler
[08:01] <HappyFool> Kartagis: i forgot the details, but i have a virtual_alias_map and canonical_map to handle that
[08:02] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey,  you could. but  its a real hassle. - may want to look at -->  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UnofficialUbuntu504AddOnCD
[08:02] <tsw> Hello all, you can count me as one happy ubuntu user. everything worked out of the box with my ibm 390X laptop, even 3com wlan card that was a pain in the ass to install before :D
[08:02] <Ali_Baba> monkeyBonkey: have you checked Ubuntu forum HOWTOs for internet?
[08:02] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey,  if youcve just done a clean install - you proberly got several dozen mb of updates to install also.
[08:03] <MonkeyBonkey> oh
[08:03] <MonkeyBonkey> whats better, enhanced or standart
[08:03] <MonkeyBonkey> standard
[08:03] <dr_willis> No idea. :P
[08:03] <Keizer> Does Flash use esound to play music or ALSA?
[08:03] <MonkeyBonkey> ohhhh, i got 700kb a sec downloading
[08:03] <MonkeyBonkey> lol
[08:04] <MonkeyBonkey> hey, umm i got a hard drive on my linux computer that doesent show up in the file manager, anybody know a way i can format it through ubuntu
[08:04] <tsw> but I still have one question. has someone tried xen on ubuntu 5.04. I cant get xend to start it says nothing, and logs just tell that xend started.
[08:04] <Ali_Baba> MonkeyBonkey,try Gparted
[08:05] <MonkeyBonkey> do i have to downlaod that
[08:05] <MonkeyBonkey> >?
[08:05] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey,  you will need to partition it to be a linux partition. then format it. then figure out wher eyou want it mounted to.
[08:05] <Ali_Baba> MonkeyBonkey: im not sure might be on cd.
[08:05] <Keizer> Does Flash use esound to play music or ALSA?
[08:05] <MonkeyBonkey> ill just dl it
[08:06] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey,  good luck at that. :P
[08:06] <MonkeyBonkey> i wish they made all linux installs like, Blender
[08:07] <MonkeyBonkey> blender u just unzip, and voila it runs
[08:07] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey,  thats bad in many ways. :P
[08:07] <MonkeyBonkey> i guess
[08:07] <MonkeyBonkey> it takes away the freedom for sum things
[08:07] <nalioth> rosco, we PPC users are behind the dev ball (i've had to go and compile several things from source taht are available to x86 ubuntu users)
[08:07] <Ali_Baba> MonkeyBonkey: you should now get internet working.
[08:08] <dr_willis> Internet working = #1 priority
[08:08] <dr_willis> :P
[08:08] <MonkeyBonkey> i cant, i have this comp on our one internet connection and i needa buy a hub which my mom is probably gonna buy in like 2 weeks
[08:08] <Gollum> g
[08:08] <MonkeyBonkey> cuz when i connect the other computer to this internet connection it dont run
[08:08] <MonkeyBonkey> cuz its limited to one ip
[08:08] <lilwade> hey is anyone using the new ubuntu ?
[08:08] <MonkeyBonkey> damn shaw internet
[08:08] <lilwade> 5.04
[08:08] <MonkeyBonkey> ya
[08:08] <dr_willis> go get a linksys router or similer. :P
[08:09] <MonkeyBonkey> thats what im usuing
[08:09] <lilwade> hey monkey
[08:09] <MonkeyBonkey> i just install ubuntu last night
[08:09] <MonkeyBonkey> ya
[08:09] <lilwade> can you give me the marilliat
[08:09] <lilwade> sources list you have for apt-get
[08:09] <MonkeyBonkey> what
[08:09] <dr_willis> of course you could boot to linux.. then reboot to windows as needed/.
[08:09] <lilwade> i was wanderin if you could paste your apt-sources.list
[08:09] <lilwade> for marilliat
[08:09] <dr_willis> actually if you are on a cable modem connection - the thing should of seen/setup the inetnet connection allready.
[08:09] <HappyFool> lilwade: i think it's up on ubuntuguide.org
[08:10] <MonkeyBonkey> dude im a noobie to linux, i know Freebsd like a master. but im sorry i have no idea what u talking about
[08:10] <lilwade> it is ???
[08:10] <lilwade> ill try that first happyfool
[08:10] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey,  you just sort of Contridicted yourself. :P
[08:10] <HappyFool> lilwade: or you *could* try this, but i don't guarantee it'll work (i've disabled it) : deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[08:10] <MonkeyBonkey> how i contridict?
[08:10] <ke-vin> anyone know any program like alcohol 120%, that can create virtual drive from an image file?
[08:10] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey,  if you installed Ubuntu, and are on a cable modem connection. the os should of seen/setup your networking.
[08:11] <HappyFool> ke-vin: you can mount ISO images
[08:11] <Bramme> what's a good bittorrent client for ubuntu ?
[08:11] <lilwade> ahhh
[08:11] <lilwade> i was trying to find all 3
[08:11] <Ali_Baba> azureus Bramme
[08:11] <lilwade> for marillat
[08:11] <HappyFool> ke-vin: 'sudo mount -o loop filename.iso /path/to/mount/point'
[08:11] <lilwade> the stable testing and unstable
[08:11] <android> Bramme, Gnome Bittorrent, or azureus
[08:11] <lilwade> cuz i got Debian.... and i know that apt source has a couple files i need
[08:11] <MonkeyBonkey> no for sum reason shaw cable only allows like one comp to go on,, and i phoned them and it costs extra 2-5 dollars a month to allow more than one computer to run off it
[08:11] <MonkeyBonkey> its really f-ed up
[08:12] <nalioth> ke-vin: you can mount any image file to read-only under linux
[08:12] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey,  Hmm.. you are useing the same pc?  or you got a windows box you are useing now, then a linux box thats next to it?
[08:12] <lilwade> ok i found it happy
[08:12] <MonkeyBonkey> no
[08:12] <lilwade> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main
[08:12] <lilwade> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[08:12] <lilwade> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[08:12] <lilwade> those right ?
[08:12] <Keizer> Noice
[08:12] <MonkeyBonkey> this pc im on now, has internet and windows xp, my other comp in my room with no internet has ubuntu
[08:12] <Keizer> I finally got the sound to work
[08:13] <refuze2looze> lilwade: you can compress that into one line
[08:13] <lilwade> sorry
[08:13] <refuze2looze> no i'm just telling you
[08:13] <refuze2looze> if it's the same URL
[08:13] <refuze2looze> you can just list em all after that
[08:13] <Laforge> Anyone know how to set up etherent on a ADMteck network card?
[08:13] <refuze2looze> instead of putting it 3 times
[08:13] <lilwade> just askin a question really fast and ill be out of ya'lls hair
[08:13] <lilwade> well sorry
[08:13] <lilwade> ok
[08:13] <refuze2looze> sorry for what
[08:13] <lilwade> you know what
[08:14] <fortran01> lilwade: what do you get with those URIs? I get an unreachable.
[08:14] <ke-vin> icic, thx that's cool
[08:14] <carthik_> HappyFool, thanks a lot, mate! I was too excited playing with apache to thank you properly :)
[08:14] <refuze2looze> lilwade: i wasn't complaining that you typed it 3 times, i'm just giving u a tip
[08:14] <lilwade> .... i got python2.4 libdvdcss2, and libdvdread3 from them
[08:14] <lilwade> i kno
[08:14] <refuze2looze> then quit saying sorry
[08:14] <Laforge> anyone?
[08:14] <lilwade> you have to Vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:14] <MonkeyBonkey> anyone know where i can download winex
[08:14] <lilwade> if they are unreachable
[08:15] <MonkeyBonkey> i just cant find it, im trying to play Unreal TOurnament on my linux
[08:15] <fortran01> lilwade: then?
[08:15] <lilwade> if you see # that mark in front of it
[08:15] <refuze2looze> monkeybronkey: winex is part of cedega and costs money, wine is the free solution to a windows emulator
[08:15] <lilwade> delete it before the Deb ftp
[08:15] <lilwade> then run apt-get update
[08:15] <MonkeyBonkey> where can i get wine
[08:15] <refuze2looze> monkeybonkey: UT works natively on linux, you dont need winex
[08:15] <nalioth> refuze2looze: however some of cedega is d/l and compilable
[08:15] <MonkeyBonkey> wheres the demo for UT that works for linux
[08:15] <fortran01> lilwade: I am going to comment the last 3 lines?
[08:15] <MonkeyBonkey> liol
[08:16] <lilwade> yup
[08:16] <lilwade> just delete the hash
[08:16] <lilwade> esc
[08:16] <lilwade> :x
[08:16] <lilwade> then run apt-get update
[08:16] <refuze2looze> nalioth: that's true.. you can compile it with CVS but it doesn't work right =P
[08:16] <lilwade> should have em then
[08:16] <fortran01> lilwade: comment or uncomment?
[08:16] <refuze2looze> from CVS i mean
[08:16] <lilwade> uncomment
[08:16] <lilwade> remove the #
[08:16] <MonkeyBonkey> (squirrel):(|) MONnikiiiiiiiiie and squrillllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeee
[08:16] <nalioth> refuze2looze: i run on  PPC, wine wouldnt work at all anyway
[08:16] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey,  winex is now known as "Cedega" and its comercial.
[08:16] <MonkeyBonkey> oh
[08:17] <fortran01> if I uncomment the last 3 lines I get this: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/Release  Unable to find expected entry  main/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[08:17] <MonkeyBonkey> poo poo
[08:17] <refuze2looze> nalioth: sucks. isn't there are PPC version?
[08:17] <lilwade> hmmmm maybe you should just comment them again
[08:17] <nalioth> fortran01: the files may not exist
[08:17] <lilwade> you're distro might not be able to use them
[08:17] <fortran01> lilwade: btw I am using the 64-bit version
[08:17] <lilwade> thats prolly why
[08:17] <fortran01> nalioth: so I am goint to comment them again?
[08:17] <nalioth> fortran01: you and i are using "fringe" ports of ubuntu
[08:17] <fortran01> nalioth: fringe?
[08:17] <lilwade> im using Debian
[08:18] <bobgreen5s> pshh debian
[08:18] <lilwade> my apt list is huge
[08:18] <MonkeyBonkey> man im fukin stupid, the was a UT install right under the windows one and i didnt notice it
[08:18] <nalioth> fortran01: not a lot of users have amd64 machines (or PPC in my case) and so the binaries lag behind x86 releases
[08:18] <fortran01> ahh
[08:18] <fortran01> thanks nalioth and lilwade
[08:19] <nalioth> fortran01: i'd advise finding some "RELIABLE" source repositorys and building from source
[08:19] <MonkeyBonkey> what are some good games that run on linux>
[08:19] <MonkeyBonkey> ?
[08:19] <lilwade> your welcome
[08:19] <nalioth> fortran01: i've had to do that in several cases (where binarys were avail for x86 ubuntu)
[08:19] <lilwade> good games......
[08:19] <lilwade> unreal tournament 2004
[08:19] <lilwade> runs on linux
[08:19] <MonkeyBonkey> no but older ones
[08:19] <MonkeyBonkey> that would run on my crappy computer
[08:19] <Xgates> great I figured out why Ubuntu might have problems in performance running for some ppl espcially those on a AMD or i586
[08:20] <DefHandz> I am trying to dpkg cedega but I get this error..
[08:20] <MonkeyBonkey> like year 2001 under
[08:20] <DefHandz> (Reading database ... 58686 files and directories currently installed.)
[08:20] <DefHandz> Unpacking cedega (from cedega-4.3-1.i386.deb) ...
[08:20] <DefHandz> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of cedega:
[08:20] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey,  you may be better off telling us the PC's specs.
[08:20] <fortran01> nalioth: I guess I have to just use the 32-bit
[08:20] <DefHandz>  cedega depends on libpng3; however:
[08:20] <DefHandz>   Package libpng3 is not installed.
[08:20] <DefHandz> dpkg: error processing cedega (--install):
[08:20] <DefHandz>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:20] <DefHandz> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:20] <DefHandz>  cedega
[08:20] <Xgates> they compile Ubuntu as --> mcpu=pentium4 for the entire distro and all the software
[08:20] <dr_willis> DefHandz,  yes - install libpng3 :P
[08:20] <DefHandz> Oh, ok :P
[08:20] <nalioth> refuze2looze: wine requires an x86 CPU, for a PPC user, bochs or qemu would be more of a choice
[08:20] <DefHandz> Where can I find "libpng3"?
[08:20] <Laforge> No knows how to set up ethernet
[08:20] <nalioth> fortran01: try to build from source
[08:20] <MonkeyBonkey> Ok my crappy computer with linux is, P2 488Mhz, 96Ram, 64MB ATI Radeon 7500
[08:20] <dr_willis> DefHandz,  i just apt-get intalled'ed it.
[08:20] <refuze2looze> nalioth: oh
[08:20] <dell500> are there any mpg codecs??
[08:21] <Xgates> man this is crazy and then I tried to just have a conversation and they took away my voice being the children they are and dont want to have a talk about it like adults
[08:21] <fortran01> nalioth: when I compile, are there flags that I need to consider for the 64-bit archi?
[08:21] <DefHandz> What do you mean dr_willis?
[08:21] <Andzx> I'm looking for an 3D program for Ubuntu, are there any good that look and maybe feel like 3DSMax?
[08:21] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey,  You may as well give up on any '3d' style games. :P stick to "Rocks N Diamonds" and perhaps "Frozzenbubble"
[08:21] <dr_willis> DefHandz,  "apt-get install libpng3" :P
[08:21] <MonkeyBonkey> why
[08:22] <MonkeyBonkey> Ut runs good
[08:22] <refuze2looze> Andzx: there's blender which is free, and Alias Maya which is commercial
[08:22] <nalioth> fortran01: to my rust-filled noggin, if you compile on a 64-bit OS, using 64-bit GCC, it should compile 64-bit (i may be mistaken)
[08:22] <dr_willis> Then go play UT. :P or doom, or quake 1/2
[08:22] <refuze2looze> Andzx: if you want something more like 3dsmax, Maya would be your choice
[08:22] <DefHandz> (Reading database ... 58686 files and directories currently installed.)
[08:22] <MonkeyBonkey> doom runs on linux
[08:22] <DefHandz> Unpacking cedega (from cedega-4.3-1.i386.deb) ...
[08:22] <MonkeyBonkey> ?
[08:22] <DefHandz> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of cedega:
[08:23] <DefHandz>  cedega depends on libpng3; however:
[08:23] <fortran01> ok thanks for that nalioth
[08:23] <DefHandz>   Package libpng3 is not installed.
[08:23] <DefHandz> dpkg: error processing cedega (--install):
[08:23] <DefHandz>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:23] <DefHandz> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:23] <DefHandz>  cedega
[08:23] <DefHandz> Crap!
[08:23] <dr_willis> MonkeyBonkey,  time to start googling. :P check out the "linux game tome" or "happy penguin"
[08:23] <MonkeyBonkey> hope this helps u guys
[08:23] <MonkeyBonkey> http://www.google.ca/linux
[08:23] <dr_willis> DefHandz,  I may have different sources.. but i think thats all i did. I installed Libpng3 first, then ran the cedega install  stuff
[08:23] <refuze2looze> DefHandz: sudo apt-get -f install
[08:24] <Andzx> ANyone knwo good 3D soft for ubuntu...?
[08:24] <MonkeyBonkey> 96% done the ubuntu add on
[08:24] <MonkeyBonkey> ya
[08:24] <MonkeyBonkey> Andzx
[08:24] <MonkeyBonkey> ur talking ot the right guy
[08:24] <MonkeyBonkey> BLender
[08:24] <MonkeyBonkey> www.blender3d.org,
[08:24] <MonkeyBonkey> www.blender3d.org
[08:24] <DefHandz> refuze, it just removed cedega?
[08:24] <refuze2looze> Andzx: scroll up, i've already answered your question
[08:25] <Andzx> it can savee in 3DSMax format right?
[08:25] <Andzx> oh, thank's :)
[08:25] <DefHandz> refuze2looze, what should I do now?
[08:25] <MonkeyBonkey> Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet http://happypenguin.org/
[08:25] <refuze2looze> DefHandz: libpng3 isn't in your repositories? do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[08:25] <refuze2looze> i forget what source has libpng3
[08:25] <DefHandz> I'm a noob at Linux.
[08:25] <DefHandz> Sorruy
[08:26] <Laforge> Did anyone have any problems when they were trying to connect to the internet while setting up ubuntu?
[08:26] <MonkeyBonkey> nope
[08:26] <Laforge> lol
[08:26] <Laforge> can anyone help me?
[08:26] <Seveas> Laforge, yes, i had. But that's due to crappy wifi drivers
[08:26] <nalioth> Laforge: someone will answer your question if they know the answer
[08:26] <Laforge> hmm, i am not on wireless
[08:26] <Seveas> nforce mobo?
[08:27] <DefHandz> refuze, what do you suggest I do?
[08:27] <nalioth> Laforge: u might try changing your nic
[08:27] <Laforge> No i have a ADMteck
[08:27] <Laforge> why?
[08:27] <Laforge> what sorry how?
[08:27] <Laforge> wait*
[08:27] <nalioth> Laforge: they cost under $10 US
[08:27] <refuze2looze> DefHandz: try adding universe and multiverse to your ubuntu sources, you know how?
[08:27] <DefHandz> Nope.
[08:27] <Laforge> you mean buying a new card?
[08:27] <refuze2looze> DefHandz: are you comfortable with using the terminal?
[08:27] <DefHandz> Sort of.
[08:27] <DefHandz> I know the simple stuff
[08:28] <nalioth> DefHandz: the terminal is your friend (it will be there when X goes away)
[08:28] <refuze2looze> DefHandz: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:28] <DefHandz> :P
[08:29] <DefHandz> Ok
[08:29] <DefHandz> What do I edit
[08:30] <Laforge> is there a way in ternimal to see if it can detect my card?
[08:30] <refuze2looze> add "universe multiverse" to the end of all of the ubuntu sources
[08:30] <refuze2looze> after hoary main restricted n stuff
[08:30] <DefHandz> everything is commented
[08:30] <nalioth> Laforge: i don't know
[08:30] <refuze2looze> uncomment all the binary ones
[08:30] <refuze2looze> leave the source ones commented
[08:30] <refuze2looze> binary is the ones that say deb
[08:30] <DefHandz> What is the diff between source and binary O_O
[08:30] <DefHandz> Oh ok
[08:30] <Laforge> Hmm ok
[08:31] <refuze2looze> sources are the ones that say deb-src
[08:31] <nalioth> refuze2looze: why r u telling folks to leave the src commented?
[08:31] <refuze2looze> nalioth: it's not really necessary
[08:31] <refuze2looze> nalioth: if they're running x86 at least
[08:31] <nalioth> refuze2looze: the src repos wont be used unless the user invokes a "source build"
[08:32] <refuze2looze> nalioth: ok ok... defhandz just uncomment em all then =p
[08:32] <refuze2looze> oh, but leave the CDROM one commented
[08:32] <DefHandz> ok
[08:32] <DefHandz> EVERY thing must say universe multiverse?
[08:32] <DefHandz> Every src binary?
[08:33] <refuze2looze> defhandz: well, i doubt you're gonna use the sources so it doesn't matter
[08:33] <refuze2looze> i never have
[08:33] <DefHandz> Ok, now what?
[08:33] <refuze2looze> the only thing i compiled from source is not from synaptic
[08:33] <refuze2looze> things*
[08:33] <_kevin> Hi i just downloaded RealPlayer10GOLD
[08:33] <_kevin> rpm
[08:33] <refuze2looze> now save it
[08:33] <refuze2looze> and do apt-cache refresh
[08:33] <DefHandz> done
[08:33] <_kevin> and how do i install it in ubuntu
[08:33] <DefHandz> ok
[08:33] <refuze2looze> wait no
[08:34] <refuze2looze> that's not it
[08:34] <DefHandz> O_O
[08:34] <nalioth> refuze2looze: well as you've seen in the last few minutes, some users with non-mainstream hardware need the src repos
[08:34] <_kevin> I want real player on Ubuntu, how would i go about do it
[08:34] <refuze2looze> apt-get update
[08:34] <refuze2looze> i mean
[08:34] <_kevin> because the current player doesn't play all the media, like i get sound but i don't get video on mpeg
[08:35] <DefHandz> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe multiverse
[08:35] <refuze2looze> nalioth: wasn't paying attention =) but yes i know what some users would need it, i guess i assumed he had mainstream hardware
[08:35] <DefHandz> Is this what you meant?
[08:35] <batma8> anyone have a recomendation for an n64 emulator
[08:36] <_kevin> there's alot on windows batma8
[08:36] <_kevin> i'm not sure about linux
[08:36] <DefHandz> refuze, is deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe multiverse what you meant?
[08:36] <batma8> yah..my name is kevin too
[08:36] <batma8> wierd
[08:36] <batma8> ehhe
[08:36] <_kevin> :)
[08:36] <punkrockguy318> When I try to compile the evolution-tdb-backend, I get this error when I $make it:  /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link gcc  -g -O2   -o libebookbackendtdb.la -rpath  -module -avoid-version e-book-backend-tdb.lo e-book-backend-tdb-factory.lo -Wl,--export-dynamic -pthread -ledata-book-1.2 -lebook-1.2 -ledataserver-1.2 -lgnome-2 -lpopt -lxml2 -lpthread -lz -lgnomevfs-2 -lbonobo-2 -lgconf-2 -lbonobo-activation -lORBit-2 -lm
[08:36] <punkrockguy318> -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lgthread-2.0 -lglib-2.0   -ltdb
[08:36] <punkrockguy318> libtool: link: only absolute run-paths are allowed
[08:36] <punkrockguy318> ... What's the problem?
[08:36] <batma8> ill have to have to look
[08:36] <refuze2looze> DefHandZ: main universe multiverse
[08:36] <DefHandz> GAH
[08:36] <DefHandz> On all of them>
[08:36] <punkrockguy318> I'm using hoary.
[08:37] <IcemanV9_> _kevin: try http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[08:37] <DefHandz> wait, what is the restricted thing?
[08:37] <refuze2looze> deb http://il.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[08:37] <refuze2looze> like that
[08:37] <efb> hi. i have a printer called hp610c on a remote computer, 192.168.111.1, that shares this printer using cups. How should i configure my computer to use this printer?
[08:37] <DefHandz> on all?
[08:37] <refuze2looze> your country is probably differnt though
[08:37] <refuze2looze> whatever it was by default
[08:37] <DefHandz> should they all have restricted in there?
[08:37] <refuze2looze> not all of em
[08:38] <refuze2looze> actually
[08:38] <refuze2looze> yeah
[08:38] <refuze2looze> all of em i guess
[08:38] <Ali_Baba> _kevin: look ubutuguide.org for installing real player
[08:38] <refuze2looze> add those sections to all of em
[08:38] <punkrockguy318> Anyone have any ideas?
[08:38] <Hackmo> be back later
[08:38] <_kevin> thanks Ali_Baba
[08:39] <refuze2looze> and now save it and do apt-get update
[08:39] <DefHandz> update gave me this
[08:39] <Ali_Baba> _kevin: your welcome.
[08:39] <refuze2looze> and apt-get libpng3 or whatever
[08:39] <DefHandz> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/m                                            ain Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-security '
[08:39] <Keizer> Bavaria
[08:40] <AirWays> Amm, why sometimes my Konqueror shutdowns and then comes Konqueror - The KDE Crash Handler' ?
[08:40] <refuze2looze> is this what that line looks like for you: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse
[08:40] <DefHandz> yes.
[08:41] <refuze2looze> you're using hoary right?
[08:41] <DefHandz> mm...yes.
[08:41] <refuze2looze> well i think universe and multiverse are useless for that one
[08:41] <Bramme> are there other very good media-players than XMMS?
[08:41] <refuze2looze> i have em though and it works fine
[08:41] <goldfish> beep-media-player
[08:41] <goldfish> i think
[08:41] <punkrockguy318> Bramme, rhythmbox
[08:42] <jp_> what is a good IDE for PHP development?
[08:42] <Bramme> bluefish ?
[08:42] <punkrockguy318> jp, vim
[08:42] <DefHandz> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-security_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[08:42] <DefHandz> E: Invalid operation update
[08:42] <DefHandz> .....
[08:42] <nalioth> refuze2looze: yes not all repos have uni and multiverse
[08:43] <refuze2looze> defhandz take out universe and multiverse for the security one
[08:43] <DefHandz> ok.
[08:43] <nalioth> refuze2looze: other countrys repos, perhaps are a bit different?
[08:43] <refuze2looze> nalioth: yeah im pretty sure the secruity updates do not right?
[08:43] <sTb> Ive get this error if i want ot install my Radeon9700 Pro Driver: :E: /var/cache/apt/archives/xorg-driver-fglrx_6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11_i386.deb: Unterprozess pre-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 2 zurck
[08:43] <refuze2looze> nalitoh: i thought they're all the same. i never even realized i had put universe and multiverse on my security updates till now
[08:43] <refuze2looze> it enver complained about it
[08:43] <nalioth> refuze2looze: as i recall i've only got uni and multi on two of my repo lines
[08:43] <IIIEars> Hello! - What file do i modify to add an option to the file right click options menu?
[08:44] <DefHandz> Still getting all of those errors
[08:44] <nalioth> refuze2looze: just like the wiki told me to do
[08:44] <jp_> How is Eclipse, is it worth of installing?
[08:45] <refuze2looze> nalioth: i think yours is the right way
[08:45] <_kevin> i have a video file it opens up in totem by default since i just installed real and for some reason it doesn't open.. so anyways i get the sound in totem but no video
[08:45] <_kevin> any suggestion
[08:45] <_kevin> the video is mpeg
[08:45] <nalioth> DefHandz: see the ubuntuguide.org on multiverse and universe
[08:45] <DefHandz> refuze, look at your PM/
[08:45] <DefHandz> refuze, see any problems in what I sent?
[08:46] <DefHandz> What?
[08:46] <refuze2looze> oh, hold on
[08:46] <nalioth> _kevin: is it a valid mpg?
[08:46] <punkrockguy318> jp_, i wasn't pleased with it when I used it... But that's just me
[08:46] <_kevin> mpeg
[08:46] <_kevin> yes
[08:46] <refuze2looze> defhandz: yes,you've got the same thing twice
[08:46] <DefHandz> Oh?
[08:46] <DefHandz> Where?
[08:46] <DefHandz> OH!
[08:46] <nalioth> _kevin: ya have all your mpeg stuff installed?
[08:46] <DefHandz> That last thing?
[08:46] <refuze2looze> you have the hoary-secrutiy ones twice.. try looking at it before blindly asking me =P
[08:46] <_kevin> what mpeg stuff
[08:47] <DefHandz> :P ok
[08:47] <_kevin> that is what i need to know, what i need to have installed
[08:47] <DefHandz> Still that huge list of errors!
[08:47] <DefHandz> Blah
[08:48] <nalioth> _kevin: mplayer, ffmpeg for a couple
[08:48] <Solo> hi all. anyone who could help me? ubuntu locks itselfs right after ive logged on..
[08:48] <nalioth> _kevin: have you been to ubuntuguide.org or the ubuntu wiki?
[08:48] <_kevin> i'm going there now
[08:49] <krg> So I hibernated my PC (worked fine in Windows) and now Ubuntu's hanging on the hibernate.sh thing.
[08:50] <krg> Coming out of hiber.
[08:50] <nalioth> krg what hardware do you have?
[08:50] <krg> Asus A7V.
[08:50] <AirWays> Amm, My konqueror is crashing all the time, and Crash handler returns like this: http://koti.mbnet.fi/airways/muuta/paste/quote.php?id=1481871965428f82c98c351
[08:50] <krg> Athlon XP 1900+.
[08:50] <krg> Intel Etherexpress Pro 10/100.
[08:51] <krg> GF3Ti200.
[08:51] <krg> That's about it.
[08:51] <_kevin> i get this message in terminal when i try to get mplayer
[08:52] <_kevin> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:52] <_kevin> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:52] <nalioth> krg, not sure why it would hang on wake up
[08:52] <nalioth> krg you are running mainstream x86 stuff
[08:52] <krg> Heh.
[08:52] <Tritis> _kevin: You need to use sudo
[08:52] <krg> Yeah.
[08:52] <ubuntu> hi
[08:52] <krg> I know.  :P
[08:52] <sTb> Ive get this error if i want ot install my Radeon9700 Pro Driver: :E: /var/cache/apt/archives/xorg-driver-fglrx_6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11_i386.deb: Unterprozess pre-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 2 zurck
[08:52] <nalioth> _kevin: or only have one instance of apt running
[08:52] <_kevin> ok
[08:52] <ubuntu> I'm new to Linux
[08:53] <nalioth> krg, i say that cuz PPC (my <and others) ibooks) hang on wakeup every tiem
[08:53] <krg> Heh.
[08:53] <_kevin> ok i see i had syneptic open
[08:53] <_kevin> now it's working
[08:53] <_kevin> thanks bud
[08:54] <krg> I'm not sure why you'd run Linux on Apple hardware.
[08:54] <krg> Seems kinda silly to me, given that Apple's given you a perfectly fine Unix.
[08:54] <nalioth> wow man art imitating life or the other way around
[08:55] <baulder> <--- installing Ubuntu for the first time...  anything I should watch out for?
[08:55] <nalioth> at engadget theres a entry showing some items that are damn near spittin images of some items in ROTS
[08:55] <krg> Bears.
[08:55] <krg> Lots of bears in the install.
[08:55] <baulder> hehe
[08:55] <thenuke_> And snakes.
[08:55] <nalioth> krg: it is a perfectly fine unix, but its not FREE
[08:55] <thenuke_> + badgers
[08:55] <krg> It came with your iBook.
[08:55] <thenuke_> baulder: the install should be pretty easy
[08:55] <krg> Or do you meen FREE AS IN FLAG BURNING?
[08:55] <AirWays> What is signal 11 (SIGSEGV) ?
[08:56] <thenuke_> baulder: do you have free space or partitions for ubuntu?
[08:56] <Keizer> I compiled Gentoo Stage1 on a PowerBook G4 before >_<
[08:56] <refuze2looze> nalioth: what kinda ppc do you have
[08:56] <AirWays> My Konquer returns that
[08:56] <baulder> so far it is going well... similar to Debian install but slightly more automated
[08:56] <Keizer> 16 hours later it was working.
[08:56] <nalioth> refuze2looze: iBook G3/600
[08:56] <krg> Linux still makes me feel dirty.
[08:56] <krg> And I'm not sure why.
[08:56] <batma8> does anyone know of any sweet multitrack recording proggies for linux
[08:56] <nalioth> krg, it came with the 'book, but its not free software
[08:57] <krg> Yeah.
[08:57] <krg> So you mean FREE AS IN FLAG BURNING.
[08:57] <AirWays> WTf is wrong with this Konqueror, IT DOESNT EVEN START anymore! Only crashing
[08:57] <nalioth> krg, i can run free software on it, but i'm still limited (cuz its a deriviative of BSD, and thus doesnt play well sometimes)
[08:57] <baulder> freespace.. only OS on the system
[08:57] <krg> Heh.
[08:57] <nalioth> krg yes flag burning
[08:57] <krg> Play well with what?
[08:58] <refuze2looze> goddamn DefHandz: i'm no longer gonna help you
[08:58] <nalioth> krg the soft compile sequences
[08:58] <DefHandz> What?
[08:58] <krg> Heh.
[08:58] <DefHandz> What did i do?
[08:58] <refuze2looze> i told you not to paste that anymore
[08:58] <krg> I can't say I've ever had a compile fail.
[08:58] <refuze2looze> it's really annoying
[08:58] <DefHandz> I know!
[08:58] <DefHandz> I said ok!
[08:58] <DefHandz> I wont
[08:58] <LeeColleton> Who is burning flags?
[08:58] <DefHandz> I stopped posting after you said to stop
[08:59] <refuze2looze> oh
[08:59] <refuze2looze> well you don't know what commented lines are?
[08:59] <DefHandz> Yes..
[08:59] <refuze2looze> then why do you even paste them for
[08:59] <refuze2looze> lol
[08:59] <DefHandz> I dont know
[08:59] <DefHandz> But apt-get update isnt doing anything.
[08:59] <g14> AirWays: Signal 11 is a segmentation fault. That mean something really badly broke konquerer
[09:00] <refuze2looze> nalioth: is your hardware good enough to run mac os 10.4 ?
[09:00] <g14> AirWays: Try reinstalling kde maybe?
[09:00] <laosiano> how can i configure gdm to allow a new login by other user once my screen has been locked??
[09:00] <refuze2looze> defhandz: i dont know, i guess you should try reading the wiki nalioth pointed out earlier
[09:00] <DefHandz> ok
[09:00] <helio7> bye all; ubuntu rocks!
[09:01] <Ali_Baba> yeah :)
[09:01] <g14> laosiano: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34471
[09:01] <g14> laosiano: Compile it from source though, that deb is broken unless you use breezy
[09:01] <fortran01> Is there an iso version of all content in the repositories of a particular ubuntu version?
[09:02] <anto9us> fortran01: you can download the repository contents and burn them to cd
[09:03] <laosiano> thanks g14
[09:03] <DefHandz> Alright, srtarting from scratch. Why wont libpng3 install?
[09:04] <g14> laosiano: When ever your done using the computer, click the applet and then login screen. It will autolock your screen and open up a new gdm login on
[09:04] <fortran01> anto9us: do you have an idea of the size? say Ubuntu 5.04 for i386 32-bit architecture?
[09:05] <DefHandz> I get this trying to install libpng3
[09:05] <DefHandz> root@ubuntu:/home/jordan/Desktop # apt-get install libpng3
[09:05] <DefHandz> Reading package lists... Done
[09:05] <DefHandz> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:05] <DefHandz> Package libpng3 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:05] <DefHandz> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:05] <DefHandz> is only available from another source
[09:05] <DefHandz> E: Package libpng3 has no installation candidate
[09:06] <krg> Heh.
[09:07] <nalioth> DefHandz: we are starting over now
[09:07] <DefHandz> Ok.
[09:08] <nalioth> DefHandz: go back to your sources.list and make sure all the deb-src lines are w/o "#" in front
[09:08] <anto9us> fortran01: sorry, I've no idead
[09:08] <anto9us> ^idea
[09:09] <DefHandz> Nalioth, I put #s in front of everything again. Could you explain what I have to do to each of the lines?
[09:09] <DefHandz> Or does the wiki say
[09:10] <nalioth> DefHandz: stand by
[09:11] <nalioth> DefHandz: i will pm you my sources.list
[09:11] <DefHandz> ok
[09:11] <nalioth> DefHandz: i do not promise that using it will not hose your system
[09:11] <nalioth> DefHandz: but you can look at it and see what it should look like
[09:11] <DefHandz> O_o
[09:11] <DefHandz> Ok
[09:12] <DefHandz> Well, I found the repository tut on wiki
[09:12] <Seveas> hi DefHandz
[09:12] <Seveas> network working fine?
[09:12] <DefHandz> Yes
[09:12] <Seveas> nice :)
[09:12] <DefHandz> I'm working on cedega now X_X
[09:13] <Seveas> good luck :)
[09:13] <nalioth> DefHandz: if you have any ???s about the list i pm'd you, please ask
[09:13] <DefHandz> Ok
[09:13] <Seveas> if you wanna play games, try supertux too, super mario clone with a penguin :)
[09:14] <batma8> i really want an n64 emu
[09:14] <batma8> anyone know of one?
[09:14] <batma8> or a dreamcast one?
[09:14] <nokm> I got some hangs opening amsn or monodevelop
[09:16] <nokm> I thught it is related to ntpl but ...
[09:16] <nalioth> batma8: have you searched sourceforge.net?
[09:17] <batma8> no
[09:17] <batma8> but thanks for the tip
[09:17] <batma8> ive learned howto install from synaptic
[09:17] <Razor-X> batma8: http://mupen64.emulation64.com/
[09:17] <batma8> but i dunno how to install any other way
[09:17] <batma8> ehehe
[09:17] <Razor-X> google ;)
[09:17] <Razor-X> it's your friend
[09:17] <batma8> thanks bro
[09:17] <FreezerX> What software is needed to watch tv with a dvb-t card (typhoon)?
[09:17] <batma8> me like google
[09:17] <batma8> eheh
[09:17] <nalioth> DefHandz: you able to use any of that?
[09:18] <Razor-X> is ZSNES better for Linux, or SNES9x?
[09:19] <DefHandz> It still is crap
[09:19] <DefHandz> utter crap
[09:19] <Razor-X> I know ZSNES is awesome for slower processors
[09:19] <DefHandz> It wont work -_-
[09:19] <orph> yo
[09:19] <DefHandz> update spills out a bunch of crap
[09:19] <Razor-X> hey
[09:19] <orph> so i upgraded from warty... wondering if i should be seeing a grub boot splash screen
[09:19] <batma8> i like zsnes
[09:20] <nalioth> DefHandz: go to the wiki where you found the sources.list howto and get yourself a clean copy
[09:20] <DefHandz> Ok
[09:20] <DefHandz> Thanks
[09:20] <nalioth> DefHandz: then we can start over fresh
[09:20] <DefHandz> mmhm
[09:20] <DefHandz> I have to leave afte rhtis
[09:20] <DefHandz> after getting
[09:21] <DefHandz> it
[09:21] <flim> Hi all
[09:22] <DefHandz> Where is it
[09:22] <DefHandz> Aw screw it
[09:22] <DefHandz> I have to geo
[09:22] <DefHandz> ill figure this bullcrap out later.
[09:22] <DefHandz> -_-
[09:23] <orph> okay, no one knows about a boot splash...
[09:23] <orph> anyone know how to diff (or even tell if differences exist) between a config file and the default packaged version?
[09:24] <nalioth> orph: isnt there a proggy that compares files?
[09:24] <orph> like rpm -V
[09:24] <orph> nalioth, this is what i'm asking
[09:24] <nalioth> orph: there is a proggy, i jst cant think of the name right now
[09:24] <Ali_Baba> write diff nalioth :)
[09:25] <Ali_Baba> it checks differences between 2 files.
[09:25] <orph> dude
[09:25] <d_i> How do i disable the firewall in ubuntu ?
[09:25] <HappyFool> yeah, but you'd need the original file then ;)
[09:25] <orph> i want to check if a file has changed from the packaged version
[09:25] <orph> not diff
[09:25] <Seveas> d_i, bu default there is no firewall enabled
[09:25] <nalioth> orph: they ya go
[09:25] <HappyFool> d_i: i'm not sure there is a firewall, unless you've installed one
[09:26] <d_i> ok thanks
[09:26] <sTb> Ive get this error if i want ot install my Radeon9700 Pro Driver: :E: /var/cache/apt/archives/xorg-driver-fglrx_6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11_i386.deb: Unterprozess pre-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 2 zurck
[09:28] <Razor-X> what's the best DC client for Linux?
[09:29] <batma8> sooo the n64 runs at 1 fps
[09:29] <batma8> ehheh
[09:29] <mikey> hi, can someone help. Im trying to compile my printer driver and it sys cannot find "cc":( what am i doing wrong?
[09:29] <Ali_Baba> Razor-X: try valknut.
[09:30] <HappyFool> mikey: you need to install 'build-essential'
[09:30] <mikey> HappyFool: cheers :)
[09:30] <Xappe> Razor-X: if you want a gtk client you could try linuxdc++
[09:30] <HappyFool> gives you basic build tools, like a compiler
[09:31] <Razor-X> heh
[09:31] <Ali_Baba> try both,then you know :)
[09:31] <Xappe> linuxdc++ is cvs only though
[09:32] <batma8> what does that mean
[09:32] <nickrud> batma8, you mean the 1 fps?
[09:33] <batma8> oh no
[09:33] <batma8> the cvs
[09:33] <batma8> but yah..i dunno why the n64 emu wont work on here
[09:33] <Xappe> that you have to download the source with cvs
[09:33] <batma8> does it run well?
[09:33] <Xappe> fairly well
[09:33] <batma8> hmmm
[09:33] <batma8> i think ill have to get it
[09:34] <Xappe> http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de
[09:34] <batma8> thank you bro
[09:34] <batma8> any one have n64 runnin in linux
[09:38] <Razor-X> back ;)
[09:38] <Razor-X> batma8: what's the problem with the emulator?
[09:39] <batma8> not sure
[09:39] <batma8> just runs at 1 fps
[09:39] <batma8> i dloaded mupen64
[09:39] <batma8> i dont have to install it right
[09:39] <batma8> just run the program?
[09:42] <batma8> hey jelkner
[09:42] <Keizer> I made love to an unclean woman and my beard fell out >_<
[09:42] <batma8> you have any ideas on emulators on ubuntu
[09:43] <darius_> how do I find a PostgreSQL 8.x package for Ubuntu?
[09:44] <batma8> did you look in synaptic?
[09:44] <batma8> in the system menu
[09:44] <darius_> yeah
[09:44] <darius_> only 7.4.x
[09:44] <batma8> yah
[09:44] <batma8> im brand new to linux
[09:44] <batma8> tryin to get some emulators goin
[09:45] <darius_> I'm been with linux too long :)
[09:45] <darius_> I've
[09:45] <batma8> ehehe
[09:45] <batma8> do you have a dc emu that works on linux?
[09:46] <darius_> I haven't used the game emulators
[09:46] <batma8> ahh
[09:46] <batma8> how do you like ubuntu
[09:46] <batma8> so far im pretty impressed
[09:46] <darius_> it's pretty good for desktop linux
[09:46] <batma8> yah
[09:46] <batma8> you us ubuntu right
[09:46] <darius_> still not as seamless as OS X or Windows
[09:47] <darius_> on one of my machines
[09:47] <batma8> you perfer winxp then?
[09:47] <darius_> no :)
[09:47] <Shen> Hiya
[09:47] <darius_> I don't use Windows for anything
[09:47] <dr_willis> one can find issues with XP and OS-X in many areas. :P
[09:47] <batma8> ohhhhhhhhh
[09:47] <dr_willis> everything has its pros and cons.  heh .
[09:47] <batma8> that is true
[09:47] <darius_> of course, but from desktop centricity .. linux is still not as strong as I like
[09:47] <batma8> i did find and instal a pretty sweet multitrack recorder
[09:47] <Anubis> but a bad argue ment
[09:48] <Shen> Does anyone have a working Torrent for the DVD version of Ubuntu Hoary? I can't seem to download it :-S
[09:48] <Anubis> there is good and bad about alcohol and water
[09:48] <Anubis> but one is better for you
[09:48] <dr_willis> Anubis,  water? I never touch the stuff.
[09:48] <dr_willis> :P
[09:49] <Anubis> obviously;)
[09:49] <ekpneo> hello all
[09:49] <Xappe> i should've touched some water before I went to bed yesterday. my head hurts
[09:49] <darius_> ok, let me restate - I'll never prefer Windows because of poor security design & lack of cool tools found in *nix.  But the commercial side still wins out on desktop user environment
[09:50] <ekpneo> I have a hard-drive partition that shows up in 'Computer', but I'd like to change its label from 'blahGb Hard Drive: blahGB' How do I do that?
[09:50] <Echelon-H> Hi!
[09:50] <Echelon-H> Do I have GCC in ubuntu ?
[09:50] <Echelon-H> or any other C compiler?
[09:50] <justin> Echelon-H: did you install GCC or any other C compiler?
[09:50] <Anubis> of course
[09:50] <Anubis> it UNIX
[09:50] <dr_willis> if you install it you do :P
[09:50] <Shen> Does anyone have an answer to my question (above), don't wanna gatecrash the party here
[09:50] <Echelon-H> nope..
[09:50] <Echelon-H> I didnt install ubuntu yet
[09:50] <Echelon-H> I just wanna know.
[09:50] <Echelon-H> Cos in FC2 I had
[09:50] <Keizer> My balls hurt
[09:51] <Anubis> Shen, yes
[09:51] <justin> cosine?
[09:51] <Echelon-H> go to a nurse.
[09:51] <dr_willis> Shen,  a 'working torrent' - is sort of odd. :P you download the .torrent file and it then fires up the bittorrent program that starts looking for peers.. whats not working.
[09:51] <Echelon-H> -_- (be)co(au)s(e)
[09:51] <Keizer> Echelon-H, They have a fix for this?
[09:51] <theine> Echelon-H, you most certainly won't find any linux distro that does not have GCC
[09:51] <justin> there is no o in because
[09:51] <jay> ekpneo: try using parted.  it has a name command
[09:51] <Echelon-H> theine, cool thanks
[09:52] <Shen> dr_willis, did all that, but BitTorrent hangs at '0.0% done, remaining?'
[09:52] <ekpneo> jay: thanks
[09:52] <anto9us> Shen: do other torrents work?
[09:53] <dr_willis> Shen,  could be there's no one seeding it.
[09:53] <dr_willis> let me try.
[09:53] <Shen> anto9us, yes they do
[09:53] <IIIEars> Do you need to build nautilus from source to add a file right click option? Can i add a python script to do it instead?
[09:53] <rapha> Hi all!
[09:53] <Shen> I tried a Firefox torrent, and that works :)
[09:53] <rapha> How do you burn bin/cue files under Ubuntu?
[09:54] <dr_willis> Intel x86 install/live DVD (BitTorrent only) - is what you are trying  eh?
[09:54] <nickrud> IIIEars, if I understand you right, you can put scripts in ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts
[09:54] <Shen> Yep, on the Europe mirror
[09:54] <nickrud> they'll then show on the context menu
[09:54] <dr_willis> rapha,  normally i convert them to iso with some tools.
[09:54] <slash_> rapha: like you would on any other distribution.  if you can't figure that out, learn to use google
[09:55] <hemppa> k3b burn cue/bin files
[09:55] <theine> rapha, mplayer can play *.bin files if that's of any use for you
[09:55] <nalioth> whats the difference tween the dvd and cd images?
[09:55] <jay> IIIEars: nickrud is right.  look here for scripts http://g-scripts.sourceforge.net/
[09:55] <dr_willis> hemppa,  it can?
[09:55] <hemppa> yep
[09:55] <rapha> slash_: Okay, thanks for your kind support. Now shut up, please, yes?
[09:55] <ubuntuinstaller> Hey guys, I can't get IIS installed on unbuntu
[09:55] <mypapit> hmm
[09:55] <Seveas> rapha, install bchunk and read man bchunk
[09:55] <ubuntuinstaller> ha ha, just kidding.  Here's my real question
[09:55] <rapha> theine: Possibly yes :-), thanks
[09:55] <nalioth> rapha: you can use binchunker to convert bin/cue to iso image
[09:55] <dr_willis> heh - last i needed to do it - i guess it couldent heh - that was a year+ ago.
[09:55] <Seveas> lol ubuntuinstaller :)
[09:55] <rapha> dr_willis: Seveas: nalioth: Kay, thanks :)
[09:55] <theine> slash_, nice attitude...
[09:56] <ubuntuinstaller> Whenever anything graphical happens on my screen everything slows to a crawl
[09:56] <ubuntuinstaller> I can barely move my mouse
[09:56] <ubuntuinstaller> games, screen saver, etc
[09:56] <dr_willis> and your system specs are?
[09:56] <ubuntuinstaller> But I used to have windows xp installed on this computer and graphics ran fine
[09:56] <ubuntuinstaller> so the system should be an issue
[09:57] <Seveas> ubuntuinstaller, what kind/speed of processor and how much memory do you have/
[09:57] <ubuntuinstaller> 400 mhz, 300 mb ram
[09:57] <rapha> slash_: Btw, using Google I found out that GnomeBaker will do it with its next release, if that's of any interest to you. Try to not always second-guess supposed newbies, okay?
[09:57] <Seveas> ubuntuinstaller, and do you have a swap partition?
[09:57] <dr_willis> You were running XP "fine" on a 400mhz machine? Ugh.....
[09:57] <Seveas> ubuntuinstaller, hmm, 400 mhz might be a bit too little for gnome and it's absolutely too little for kde
[09:57] <jay> Seveas: i disagree
[09:57] <dcraven> dr_willis: I just put it on my mother-in-law's P2 350 :)
[09:57] <dr_willis> this is a Pent I, 400mhz?
[09:58] <teroedni> i have gnome on p2 350
[09:58] <jr_G-man> pentium 1's never reached 400mhz
[09:58] <Seveas> ubuntuinstaller, but make sure you have a swap partition of about 500-800 MB
[09:58] <dr_willis> dcraven,  i tend to give out those kind of machines to the kids in faimly that need a word processor. :P
[09:58] <teroedni> its working somehow:)
[09:58] <ubuntuinstaller> fine is a relative term
[09:58] <dcraven> teroedni: How does that work?
[09:58] <rapha> Seveas: ubuntuinstaller: I'm running plain Hoary on a PII233MHz notebook with 64MB RAM
[09:58] <slash_> rapha: learn to use apt-cache for finding what you need.  yes, you are a newbie if you can't figure out how to do something without the commandline
[09:58] <ubuntuinstaller> brb, let me get that computer started
[09:58] <theine> Seveas, my guess is that it's precisely the swapping that is slow...
[09:58] <HavoK> hi there
[09:59] <teroedni> i yhave 647 bogomips on that machine:P
[09:59] <nickrud> ubuntuinstaller, add the gnome system monitor to your panel, change the colors for a nice contrast, it'll give you decent look at any bottlenecks
[09:59] <Shen> A pitty the DVD ISO isn't for regular download
[09:59] <HavoK> I've a problem with keyboard shortcuts
[09:59] <rapha> slash_: I'm lazy, that's all I am boy. Since when have you been using Linux, tell me, huh?
[09:59] <HavoK> [like using ctrl-s in gedit to save the current file] 
[09:59] <HavoK> they're all messed up
[10:00] <theine> slash_, how do you burn bin/cue files if I may ask...
[10:00] <HavoK> I don't know why it's behaving this way
[10:00] <slash_> rapha: i've been using it for 8 years.
[10:00] <teroedni> dcraven: Give it a try
[10:00] <teroedni> how to run a file
[10:00] <dr_willis>  bogomips  -->  Calibrating delay loop.. failed
[10:01] <dr_willis> lol!
[10:01] <Xappe> HavoK: maybe if you use one of these on your computer it'll do what you tell it http://www.bratzapper.com/main.html
[10:01] <teroedni> i tried to run /fah502-linux.exe
[10:01] <dr_willis> runnung a windows binary?
[10:01] <dcraven> teroedni: put a "." in front.
[10:01] <teroedni> get bash: /FAH502-linux.exe: No such file or directory
[10:01] <dcraven> dr_willis: monomaybe?
[10:02] <dr_willis> "file fah502-linux.exe" to see what the file really is. :P
[10:02] <ubuntuinstaller> I'll add the system monitor now.  Any idea how I can check the size of my swap?
[10:02] <dr_willis> dcraven,  or a self extracting zip.
[10:02] <rapha> slash_: Then you've been using it about as long as I have (1996), so let's be friends again, won't we?
[10:02] <dcraven> dr_willis: Yeah could be. I like to assume folks know what these things are :P
[10:02] <slash_> theine: you're asking the wrong question.  instead, ask "how do I find software for burning bin/cue images?"
[10:03] <nalioth> ubuntuinstaller: gnome system monitor will tell you
[10:03] <kevin> ubuntuinstaller - run 'top' from a terminal
[10:03] <dr_willis> slash_,  someone said earlier that "k3b" can burn them
[10:03] <teroedni> and then?
[10:03] <theine> slash_, don't tell me which question to ask
[10:03] <ubuntuinstaller> nalioth: Ubuntu has almost started, stand by
[10:04] <dcraven> teroedni: Is it a Windows file?
[10:04] <teroedni> comes a >
[10:04] <ubuntuinstaller> how do you address someone in irc?  when you guys talk to me it beeps
[10:04] <ubuntuinstaller> just [name] :  ?
[10:04] <slash_> the whole point is to make you learn to effectively find what you need without having to ask someone else
[10:04] <teroedni> its supposed to be linux version
[10:04] <jr_G-man> then, why the hell is he in irc
[10:04] <jr_G-man> why does irc exist if not to ask questions?
[10:04] <kevin> dr_willis: pretty sure k3b can burn bin / cue files
[10:04] <jay> can't you just pass the .cue file to cdrecord to burn?
[10:04] <dcraven> teroedni: Looks like a Windows version.
[10:05] <jay> teroedni: just type ./fah502-linux.exe to run it
[10:05] <jr_G-man> sadly, i left this damn channel months ago because of the 'rtfm' attitude given to all the newbies
[10:05] <hemppa> k3b burn cue/bin i checked
[10:05] <jay> dcraven: if you google for fah502-linux.exe you'll see its folding@home
[10:05] <jr_G-man> and it has yet to improve
[10:05] <slash_> to ask intelligent questions.
[10:05] <jr_G-man> this will be the downfall of this distro
[10:05] <dr_willis> or sh ./fahwhatever.exe or use that 'file fawatever.exe' to see exactly what the thing is.
[10:05] <goldfish> ubuntuinstaller: yeah usually. ur client might support tab completion
[10:05] <dcraven> jay: Thanks for that. I don't know of google.
[10:05] <jay> jr_G-man: don't bitch about it.  try to help people then
[10:05] <dr_willis> jr_G-man,  Hmm.. doubtfull.
[10:05] <goldfish> ubuntuinstaller: type first letter of someone's nick and press tab
[10:05] <nickrud> jr_G-man, actually, it's pretty nice, most of the time
[10:05] <goldfish> ubuntuinstaller: to check
[10:05] <jay> dcraven: then stop telling him it's a windows binary when it's obviously not
[10:06] <jay> take 2 seconds to look
[10:06] <Hawaii-Boy> anyone who will help me, install deb packages?
[10:06] <slash_> how hard is "apt-cache search bin cue"?
[10:06] <batma8> wish game emulators worked better on here
[10:06] <dcraven> jay: I said it looked like one. And it still does.
[10:06] <ubuntuinstaller> I have 730 mb of swap
[10:06] <dr_willis> batma8,  what ones dont work? i play them all the time.
[10:06] <jay> dcraven: it has linux in the name.
[10:06] <slash_> Hawaii-Boy: try #debian
[10:06] <bigfoot> Hi All. I have the System Monitor APplet on my panel. It has been showing a 100% Processor Usage for the past hour. This means that my computer is like in slow motion. Few hours ago, I was running the same programs, yet it would be down to 5% if I didn't touch anything. What's the matter? Does anyone know?
[10:06] <batma8> zsnes is a bit choppy
[10:06] <theine> slash_, have you checked out what's that search query is giving you?
[10:06] <bigfoot> h
[10:06] <batma8> and mupen only runs at 1 fps
[10:07] <batma8> hehe
[10:07] <nickrud> Hawaii-Boy, what's the deb
[10:07] <andrewski> ok, i can read the topic, but i have been using breezy.  how can i revert using apt-get?
[10:07] <kevin> Hawaii-Boy: sudo dpkg -i <packagename>
[10:07] <dr_willis> batma8,  i think with zsnes - you may want to put the desktop at 16 bit depth.
[10:07] <Hawaii-Boy> nvidia-glx
[10:07] <dr_willis> batma8, whats mupen dmulate?
[10:07] <batma8> n64
[10:07] <slash_> theine: use your head.  try searching for "burning"
[10:07] <ubuntuinstaller> How can I see the bottle necks again?
[10:07] <nickrud> Hawaii-Boy, take a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto, it will help you get your nvidia working
[10:08] <dcraven> Ughh.. I think I'll come back when it's freindly in here again.
[10:08] <dr_willis> batma8,  papers were saying how the next gamecube will 'play' the old  nes/snes/n64 games - proberly in some downloadable format/service :P
[10:08] <batma8> yahi read that
[10:08] <batma8> looks SOOOOOOOOoo good
[10:08] <Xappe> ubuntuinstaller: don't close your eyes when you're drinking :)
[10:08] <jay> dcraven: i believe your leaving will help that.
[10:08] <batma8> you dload the games from a nintendo server
[10:08] <dr_willis> batma8,  yea :P at least a new toy.
[10:08] <Hawaii-Boy> nickrud: thx
[10:08] <batma8> yup
[10:08] <dr_willis> batma8,  the 'hackors' will love that.
[10:08] <batma8> oh yes
[10:08] <Hawaii-Boy> kevin: thanks alot, it worked :=)
[10:08] <teroedni> bash: ./FAH502-Linux.exe: Permission denied
[10:08] <ubuntuinstaller> close my eyes?
[10:08] <teroedni> why
[10:08] <kevin> ubuntuinstaller: swap looks good and plenty.. try running top, leave it for a few minutes, then see if anything eating system resources
[10:08] <batma8> so what emus do you play man
[10:09] <theine> slash_, dude, the only usable results are k3b and cdrdao... the first is an KDE application which does not integrate well into GNOME, the second requires SCSI emulation and doesn't work out of the box
[10:09] <jay> teroedni: you must make it executeable first.  chmod u+x fah502-linux.exe
[10:09] <Xappe> ubuntuinstaller: if you want to see the bottle neck
[10:09] <dr_willis> batma8,  mame and snes mainly
[10:09] <ubuntuinstaller> top is running
[10:09] <ubuntuinstaller> brb
[10:09] <kevin> Hawaii-Boy: You're welcome!
[10:09] <batma8> maybe ill set up a dual boot with like win2k so i can run all the emus on there
[10:09] <ubuntuinstaller> should I start up a game or something slow while top is running?
[10:09] <slash_> i'm being friendly, i'm just encouraging self-sufficency instead of relying on others to accomplish simple tasks.  "how do I do xxxxx on ubuntu" is irrelevant.
[10:10] <ubuntuinstaller> I'm wondering if it's just some xorg setting that's messed up
[10:10] <batma8> is it easy to dual boot linux and windows
[10:10] <dr_willis> Hmmm -->  http://techreport.com/etc/folding/   - has detailed instructions for installing the FAH502-Linux.exe program.
[10:10] <dr_willis> ubuntuinstaller,  could try a lighter window manager. it would help a great deal.
[10:10] <theine> slash_, no, it's absolutely not irrelevant and "how do I burn bin/cue files in Ubuntu" is a non-trivial question
[10:11] <psik0> hi , i have ubuntu breezy
[10:11] <teroedni> yes
[10:11] <psik0> but maybe
[10:11] <ubuntuinstaller> so there's no obvoius fix for this?  I was figuring it was just a setting somewhere?
[10:11] <psik0> it's better to fall back to hoary ?
[10:11] <sebas_1> batma8 the part of writing a start-up (grub-loader) is the hardest
[10:12] <teroedni> my machine is crunching for the hope of humanity again
[10:12] <psik0> or cant be a dissaster ?
[10:12] <drsung> Hi
[10:12] <teroedni> thanks
[10:12] <paxmaster> hi, how could i campare two different dir but the dir is in a client and other dir is in the server
[10:12] <batma8> hey guys
[10:12] <drsung> Does anyone know how to get WEP working with Netgear W311 v2 and Linux?
[10:13] <nickrud> ubuntuinstaller, I run on a 466, and if you get heavily into swap, the iowait in the system monitor will tell you.
[10:13] <batma8> when i try to stream movies i just get a no picture
[10:13] <batma8> any ideas on that
[10:13] <sebas_1> batma8 i have the same problem
[10:13] <theine> psik0, please have a look at the topic
[10:13] <nickrud> ubuntuinstaller, I see your machines behavior here, and close down unused stuff.
[10:13] <jay> batma8: in totem?  using gstreamer backend or xine?
[10:13] <dr_willis> ubuntuinstaller,  could be your dma settings also.
[10:13] <psik0> theine, at the links ?
[10:13] <batma8> sebas_1 that sucks bad
[10:14] <batma8> vlc plugin for mozilla
[10:14] <sebas_1> i've been following the discussion maybe it is the nvidia driver
[10:14] <psik0> i have read yet but also i have yet breezy installed
[10:14] <theine> psik0, I'm referring to the part that says: "PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY"
[10:14] <jay> batma8: no clue about vlc, sorry
[10:14] <theine> psik0, oh, ok
[10:14] <batma8> what do you use
[10:14] <batma8> jay
[10:14] <psik0> theine, i have this installed yet
[10:14] <sebas_1> can  you handdle mpg's
[10:14] <ubuntuinstaller> Ok, I'll put my question on hold
[10:14] <psik0> im finding a solution
[10:15] <ubuntuinstaller> Now how do I make the computer not startup to gnome or xorg anything
[10:15] <ubuntuinstaller> just give me a command prompt?
[10:15] <anto9us> drsung: you can use iwconfig to set your essid and wep key
[10:15] <theine> psik0, as far as I know, reverting from breezy to hoary is difficult
[10:15] <ubuntuinstaller> Is that a run level thing?
[10:15] <teroedni> by the way what is chmod?
[10:15] <jay> batma8: totem.  if it's an embedded movie then i view source and search for the wmv/qt/whatever url and do open url in totem.  very suckish until there's a totem plugin
[10:15] <dr_willis> ubuntuinstaller,  disable the gdm service.  you could close down to the console only by '/etc/init.d/gdm stop'
[10:15] <jr_G-man> ubuntuinstaller edit inittab and tell it to default to runlevel 3
[10:16] <jr_G-man> instaed of runlevel 5
[10:16] <theine> psik0, it's certainly not a one-liner as in *upgrading* from hoary to breezy
[10:16] <ekpneo> how do you copy a cd in ubuntu?
[10:16] <ubuntuinstaller> will everything else work from runlevel 3 like apache, zope, etc?
[10:16] <nickrud> ubuntuinstaller, no, all runlevels are the same
[10:16] <drsung> anto9us. usually right. that's what i tried, but acx100 seems not to support WEP. Otherwise the card works fine.
[10:16] <nalioth> theine: psik0 as in reinstallation being the easiest regression
[10:16] <ubuntuinstaller> so there's no harm in defaulting to run level 3?
[10:16] <jr_G-man> ubuntuinstaller all 'server' type things should...
[10:16] <jay> teroedni: for changing permissions.  googling on chmod or linux permissions will reveal all.  or man chmod
[10:16] <theine> nalioth, I second that
[10:16] <anto9us> drsung: sometimes you need to put s:<password>
[10:17] <psik0> but i dont want to reinstall
[10:17] <jr_G-man> ubuntuinstaller, however, check out the items that are listed in /etc/rc3.d/
[10:17] <theine> psik0, back up your home directory and reinstall
[10:17] <jay> drsung: ^^ for ascii wep keys
[10:17] <psik0> maybe
[10:17] <ubuntuinstaller> so what are run levels 4 and 5?  just xorg?
[10:17] <nalioth> psik0: so stay away from breezy til it says "release candidate" in its name
[10:17] <drsung> anto9us: tried that already
[10:17] <teroedni> ahh:)
[10:17] <drsung> jay: what do you mean?
[10:17] <andrewski> can anyone help with reverting from breezy to hoary with apt?
[10:17] <theine> psik0, unless you're fine with running breezy of course :)
[10:18] <jay> drsung: what anto9us said about the s:<pass> thing is if you have an ascii WEP key.  instead of hex
[10:18] <jr_G-man> ubuntuinstaller, not sure about runlevel 4, but 5 is 3 + X
[10:18] <ubuntuinstaller> Ok, thanks
[10:18] <nickrud> well, I have been badly misinformed, thanks jr_G-man
[10:18] <jr_G-man> runlevel 1 is 'single-user mode'
[10:18] <jr_G-man> not sure about 2
[10:18] <jr_G-man> 6 is 'reboot'
[10:18] <nalioth> andrewski: you are screwed, to be polite
[10:18] <kman___> anybody have any idea where I can get libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 for ubuntu ?
[10:18] <anto9us> drsung: here's the format of my working wep key... iwconfig wlan0 essid <network> key restricted s:<password>
[10:19] <jay> default is 2
[10:19] <jay> why the hell debian did that i don't know
[10:19] <urb85> hi guys
[10:19] <andrewski> nalioth: why?  can't i revert the packages to hoary's?
[10:19] <dr_willis> kman___,  hmm.. why are you needing that?
[10:19] <nalioth> andrewski: you would have to go and clean out your system (apt looks at ver numbers) to get it to regress
[10:19] <kman___> dr_willis: to install oracle 9.2 which uses java 1.3.1 which uses that lib
[10:19] <dr_willis> kman___,  UGH. :P
[10:20] <jr_G-man> kman___, you need something like 'development essentials'...don't remember exactly, but i think it's on the forums
[10:20] <theine> jr_G-man, the default runlevel in Ubuntu is runlevel 2 I think
[10:20] <andrewski> nalioth: apt doesn't care about repository presence?
[10:20] <kman___> well i symlinked ibstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 to it and seems to fool it
[10:20] <nalioth> andrewski: you may change all the repos you want, if apt sees a newer ver on YOUR box, it isnt gonna d/l easily
[10:20] <jr_G-man> theine, the default runlevel in Ubuntu is 5
[10:20] <andrewski> nalioth: 'easily'... so there is a way to get it to work?
[10:20] <nickrud> jr_G-man, no, 2, look at /etc/inittab
[10:21] <jr_G-man> mine says 5
[10:21] <theine> jr_G-man, /etc/inittab says something different...
[10:21] <nickrud> heh, mine's 2
[10:21] <jr_G-man> can you post yours ?
[10:21] <nickrud> jr_G-man, sure, pastebin in a sec
[10:21] <jay> jr_G-man: the default is 2
[10:21] <jr_G-man> okay...i appear to stand correct
[10:21] <jr_G-man> corrected
[10:21] <epl> is synaptic 0.56 packaged for hoary?
[10:22] <nalioth> andrewski: as myself and theine said whallago, the easiest way is to back up your $homedir and reinstall a hoary cd
[10:22] <jay> epl: look at backports
[10:22] <andrewski> nalioth: ah, didn't realize you were talking to me.  not used to irssi. :)
[10:22] <epl> jay: were do I find them?
[10:22] <jay> epl: backports.ubuntuforums.org
[10:22] <epl> jay: ubuntuforum?
[10:22] <kman___> is backports for hoary working ?
[10:22] <epl> jay: ah, thanks
[10:22] <andrewski> nalioth: seems a good time to check out arch. :)
[10:22] <nalioth> andrewski: irssi takes a bit of gettin used to
[10:23] <nickrud> jay, I asked about runlevels on debian user a long time ago, and someone said runlevels belong to the sysadmin, not the distro
[10:23] <nalioth> andrewski: if you type /HILIGHT <yournick> it will make the lines standout when peeps are talking to you by name
[10:23] <graham> How can I get a transparent borderless terminal for my gnome desktop?
[10:23] <jr_G-man> http://www.iodynamics.com/education/runlevel.html
[10:24] <jr_G-man> according to that...i don't see how runlevel 2 can be functional
[10:24] <jay> jr_G-man: ls /etc/rc2.d
[10:24] <jr_G-man> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InitScriptList
[10:25] <jr_G-man> however, this attempts to explain
[10:25] <darius_> after installing the gcc package, what must I do to correctly make it usable for compiling packages?
[10:25] <theine> jr_G-man, I don't see why runlevel *can't* be functional
[10:25] <nickrud> jr_G-man, you can link anything in /etc/init.d into any run level
[10:25] <jay> darius_: easiest thing to do is install build-essential
[10:26] <theine> jr_G-man, ... why runlevel 2 ...
[10:26] <jr_G-man> nickrud, yes you can...but, we are talking defaults here, aren't we?
[10:26] <darius_> jay: thx
[10:27] <nickrud> jr_G-man, yeah, and all are the same. if you want runlevel three to be without X, just remove the S13gdm link
[10:27] <nalioth> darius_: it is usable immediately
[10:27] <nickrud> jr_G-man, it's your runlevel to modify as you want
[10:27] <darius_> nalioth: gcc/cc is not linked to in the path
[10:27] <darius_> I'm used to things just working .. don't know what else has to be done
[10:27] <jr_G-man> nickrud, indeed it is...but, once again, we are talking defaults
[10:28] <jr_G-man> did the subject change without me looking?
[10:28] <theine> darius_, so `which gcc' doesn't give you anything?
[10:28] <drsoong> anto9us: didn't work very well...
[10:28] <theine> darius_, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:28] <darius_> theine: it didn't .. until I installed this build-essentials package
[10:28] <theine> darius_, that has to be done
[10:28] <jay> jr_G-man: indeed, what are we talking about?  it's established that 2 is the default runlevel for debian.  other distributions assign different runlevels differently
[10:28] <darius_> yes, that works great, thx
[10:29] <anto9us> drsoong: what did or didn't happen?
[10:29] <sebas_1> how can i resize the icons on my desktop and the size of the windowframes
[10:29] <jr_G-man> well, there is a standard...
[10:29] <bluemax> where can i download the realtimeclock driver?
[10:29] <jr_G-man> and it appears that ubuntu doesn't follow said standard
[10:29] <nalioth> darius_: did you install the pkg "build-essential"?
[10:29] <drsoong> anto9us: lost connection after setting password at ap and on my computer...
[10:29] <theine> jr_G-man, no, it doesn't, so what?
[10:30] <darius_> nalioth: yes, that set everything up and it's working now.  thanks
[10:30] <jay> jr_G-man: does Ubuntu even claim to be LSB complient?  (i don't know)
[10:30] <nalioth> enjoy your gcc
[10:30] <klaym> how could I modify my gnome / kde desktop? I'd like to add some texts from the net to be updated on the desktop, etc
[10:30] <klaym> and is it easier to modify kde or gnome?
[10:30] <nickrud> jay, the breezy roadmap has some stuff about getting close to lsb3
[10:30] <miguel007> any forum moderators online?
[10:31] <anto9us> drsoong: try iwlist wlan0 scanning
[10:31] <sebas_1> how can i resize the icons on my desktop and the size of the windowframes
[10:32] <theine> klaym, I'm not sure what you mean by "texts from the net" but maybe have a look at gdesklets and (super)karamba
[10:32] <nickrud> sebas_1, right click the icon, and select stretch icon
[10:32] <theine> klaym, the former is for Gnome and the latter for KDE
[10:33] <drsoong> anto9us: yep, shows my accesspoint
[10:33] <theine> klaym, maybe they offer the kind of functionality you're looking for
[10:33] <runelind> anyone try the new mplayer for tiger?
[10:33] <sebas_1> nickrud right-click opens the icon-menu
[10:33] <klaym> theine: thanks! I mean like news from the net, as ascii and updated regularly
[10:33] <runelind> erm sorry
[10:33] <runelind> wrong chan
[10:33] <nickrud> sebas_1, yeah, and in that list you will find stretch icon
[10:34] <jr_G-man> we have also established that the only thing that we get people out of the 'rtfm you noob' mentality, is for someone to offer help and be technically wrong
[10:34] <anto9us> drsoong: is accesspoint a dhcp server?
[10:34] <theine> klaym, have a look at those two, could very well be that they feature this
[10:35] <sebas_1> nickrud is it standard that they appear jumbo-sized the icons is one probem
[10:35] <drsoong> would say so...
[10:35] <klaym> theine: ok
[10:35] <anto9us> drsung: I have to run dhclient after setting iwconfig to get an ip address
[10:36] <batma8> so how do i get my wireless running
[10:36] <batma8> :)
[10:36] <sebas_1> nick-rud al the frames are way oversize aven with alt f7 i can't find OK or CANCEL buttons
[10:36] <nickrud> sebas_1, you can use system->preferences->file management to control icon zoom
[10:36] <theine> batma8, which chipset do you have?
[10:36] <Ali_Baba> is it safe to install debian packages on Ubuntu?
[10:36] <nickrud> sebas_1, what screen resolution are you running at?
[10:36] <batma8> ralink2_rt2560
[10:36] <bigbill52a> i have a problem with kde and xfce crashing ....with the screen replaced with slowly blinking grey blocks...cannot exit the xserver and have to shut down the computer
[10:37] <LinuxJones> Ali_Baba, not recommended what are you trying to install ?
[10:37] <bigbill52a> with no problem in gnome
[10:37] <Ali_Baba> installed one game,just asked for the future.
[10:37] <bigbill52a> same problem whether or not fglrx is installed
[10:38] <nickrud> sebas_1, xdpyinfo | grep dimensions
[10:38] <theine> batma8, can't help you with that
[10:38] <sebas_1> 1280*1024 but the splas-screen at start-up fits and the tv-application has no probem
[10:38] <Ali_Baba> maybe its better to get the source i guess.
[10:38] <sebas_1> i'm looking for a user-setting or so
[10:38] <LinuxJones> Ali_Baba, most of the software in Debian is available in Ubuntu via the universe and multiverse repositories.
[10:38] <drsoong> anto9us: i will try that. in case i loose my connection i'll leave it for now... but thanks for the help
[10:38] <nickrud> sebas_1, preferences->screen resolution
[10:39] <fortran01> Is it possible to bypass the username given by identd to irssi? My username is tek.shek and this is not acceptable in a freenode login. Any tips?
[10:39] <Ali_Baba> yeah,i got those repositories :)
[10:39] <nalioth> fortran01: at the irssi is a "tips and tricks" section that will tell you how to change all that
[10:39] <anto9us> drsoong: no problem :)
[10:40] <nalioth> fortran01: irssi homepage
[10:40] <goldfish> fortran01: b4 u connect to a server
[10:40] <sebas_1> nick-rud that is alt F2 and you showed me the pipe but where is that
[10:40] <goldfish> fortran01: /set user_name <blah>
[10:40] <Funraiser> fortran01, to install fortran did u do something more than just synaptic?
[10:40] <fortran01> Funraiser: haha
[10:40] <Funraiser> fortran01, don't have fortran?
[10:41] <fortran01> goldfish: that doesnt work if identd is up
[10:41] <Funraiser> seriously
[10:41] <fortran01> nalioth: thanks for the tip, ill try to find this
[10:41] <fortran01> Funraiser: i dont have fortran, i speak C, my dad used to
[10:42] <nickrud> sebas_1, that will tell you what you're currently running at, gnome can override the default X res
[10:42] <Funraiser> fortran01, ok,in physics they are still using fortran
[10:42] <sebas_1> screem resolution is the same as in suse working on another partition same PC
[10:43] <batma8> anyone do a dual boot with windows?
[10:43] <Funraiser> yes
[10:43] <Quest-Master> Me, even though I don't use the WIndows
[10:43] <owdi> yes
[10:43] <HappyFool> i do
[10:43] <bigbill52a> i do a dual boot...
[10:43] <owdi> run windows and linux at the same time
[10:43] <batma8> i was thinkin bout doin it just for the emulators
[10:44] <sebas_1> nick-rud doesn't sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg do that
[10:44] <nickrud> sebas_1, other checks: font size, see if you're using an accesibility thing that makes thing huge, and have X tell you what you're actually running at
[10:44] <batma8> so i can play some n64
[10:44] <batma8> hehehe
[10:44] <bigbill52a> sata is for windows..ide is for linux
[10:44] <anto9us> batma8: yes, XP pro, I hardly ever use it though
[10:44] <Ali_Baba> i have dualboot too,just in case.
[10:44] <nalioth> batma8: i dual boot with a Tiger.. .. ..
[10:44] <batma8> kinda sucks to have to instal winblows just to play emulators
[10:44] <Ali_Baba> dont use windows anymore,it no good :)
[10:44] <nickrud> sebas_1, not necessarily, gnome can use an X extension to modify the res on the fly
[10:44] <Recyclable> hello
[10:44] <nalioth> bigbill52a: what? sata ide?
[10:44] <batma8> but there are no dreamcast or decent n64 emus
[10:44] <bigbill52a> rigged my system so that windows doesnt interfere with linux and vice versa
[10:44] <sebas_1> nick-ruc it says 640*480 ???????
[10:45] <Recyclable> can you guys run me through how the hell you skin ubuntu?
[10:45] <nickrud> sebas_1, yeah, I though so
[10:45] <bigbill52a> i have two ide and one sata drive
[10:45] <nickrud> sebas_1, use the system-preferences-screen resolution tool
[10:45] <owdi> Recyclable - do you have a sharp knife?
[10:46] <bigbill52a> when i installed windows on the sata drive...i turned off the other drives
[10:46] <Quest-Master> haha owdi.
[10:46] <g14> I want to package something for debian and possibly get it included in universe, how do I go about learning to do that?
[10:46] <fortran01> nalioth: cant find it here: http://www.irssi.org/?page=docs&doc=tips
[10:46] <bigbill52a> and then i turned them back on and installed linux
[10:46] <Recyclable> lol
[10:46] <Quest-Master> owdi: Just go to System -> Preferences -> Theme
[10:46] <Recyclable> owdi, lol
[10:46] <sebas_1> Ican't alter the values no option possible
[10:46] <Recyclable> how doo you skiiiiiiiiiiin ubuntuuuu?
[10:46] <owdi> not me, not using a GUI right now
[10:46] <nickrud> g14, I just read this yesterday :) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NewDevelopersAndMaintainers
[10:46] <bigbill52a> so linux loads on ide and by using the boot time f11 key ....start up windows, whenever the cows come home which isnt too often
[10:47] <nickrud> sebas_1, you need to add some refresh rates in xorg.conf
[10:47] <nickrud> google your exact monitor and refresh, get the horizontal and vertial
[10:47] <nalioth> fortran01: i found something there to change all my info
[10:47] <nickrud> *vertical
[10:47] <bigbill52a> use windows just to print and for cams
[10:48] <HappyFool> Recyclable: System -> Preferences -> Theme, like Quest-Master said
[10:48] <dug> sebas_1: what model monitor do you have
[10:48] <sebas_1> nickrud ooooooooooops is there  a Howto for me i don't know how to edit the xorg.conf
[10:48] <Recyclable> ahh k
[10:48] <dug> sebas_1: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:48] <fortran01> nalioth: lemme recheck
[10:49] <g14> nickrud: Thanks
[10:49] <IIIEars> nickrud - Hello!
[10:49] <Recyclable> anywhere i can get an osx theme from?
[10:49] <nickrud> hey IIIEars how's mplayer doing :)
[10:49] <officer> what was the adress of that page with great ubuntu how-to's?
[10:49] <batma8> god damn wireless
[10:49] <batma8> ehehehe
[10:49] <Quest-Master> officer: http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:49] <fortran01> nalioth: is your identd up?
[10:49] <g14> nickrud: Autonice daemon has saved me a few times when gamin went bezerk on fc3. I'm going to package it for ubuntu http://and.sourceforge.net/
[10:50] <HappyFool> buggrit. synaptic crashed halfway through a 3 hour download
[10:50] <officer> thanks a lot
[10:50] <dug> yeah just found that ubuntu guide today, great site, too bad no gui for all that stuff
[10:50] <Quest-Master> bigbill52a: I have Ubuntu work with my digital camera, printer, and scanner ;)
[10:50] <nickrud> g14, heh, all it does to me is stop working, and I think I've lost something :)
[10:50] <Quest-Master> No need for Windows at all here
[10:51] <IIIEars> LP"ADD" - learning programming atetnion deficit disorder - lol - i would like to add md5 checking to the right click menu with a python script.
[10:51] <bigbill52a> doesnt work with my logitech cam or my lexmark 6150 printer
[10:51] <IIIEars> Is it possible? in nautilus? - or do i need to learn c?
[10:51] <bigbill52a> so far...since someday, somewhere things may change...
[10:52] <IIIEars> My wife wants to go shopping - bbl
[10:52] <nickrud> IIIEars, http://g-scripts.sourceforge.net/ has some samples
[10:52] <K-Rich> Anyone in here use audacity?
[10:53] <anto9us> K-Rich: I've used it
[10:53] <Ali_Baba> K-Rich: i have tried it.
[10:54] <K-Rich> i'm trying to find the package i need to be able to export as mp3 and i've tried lame and liblame0 with no luck :/
[10:57] <Fator_Dee> hello
[10:57] <anto9us> K-Rich: what was the problem?
[10:58] <batma8> anyone in here have any idea how to get streaming vid to work in mozilla?
[10:58] <nickrud> batma8, I use mozilla-mplayer from multiverse
[10:58] <sebas_1> nick-rud/dug thanks I'll google and monitor sudo's a while will get back to you with answers
[10:58] <K-Rich> anto9us: Audacity says it needs libmp3lame.so and i have no idea what package that is in so i can't export as mp3
[10:58] <batma8> mozilla-mplayer huh
[10:58] <knapjack> K-Rich: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:59] <nickrud> batma8, I used it in debian, so it was an automatic install. Someone told me they use totem, but I've never tried.
[10:59] <anto9us> K-Rich: type locate libmp3lame.so
[10:59] <knapjack> K-Rich: Did you try that yet?  gstreamer0.8-mad?
[11:00] <knapjack> batma8: You could also try RealPlayer.
[11:01] <Ali_Baba> K-Rich: check that you have lame packages installed on synaptic
[11:01] <K-Rich> there is libmp3lame.so.0.0.0 and libmp3lame.so.0
[11:01] <Ali_Baba> K-Rich: lame and liblame0
[11:02] <nalioth> K-Rich: have installed lame developement files?
[11:02] <batma8> actually...that worked
[11:02] <batma8> the mplayer
[11:02] <K-Rich> Ali_Baba: got both just made sure before i came in here
[11:02] <Ali_Baba> K-Rich: ok :)
[11:04] <K-Rich> i'll be damed... i tries the libmp3lame.so.0 file and it worked....
[11:04] <Nula> hi, what mail delivery system can I use so my Ubuntu servers can send me emails when problems occus??
[11:04] <Recyclable> *pokes*
[11:04] <Recyclable> can anyone help me find an os x theme for ubuntu?
[11:05] <Nula> I know how to take care of the sending email part.. I just need to know what mail servers are used for this
[11:05] <apsuva> selam Ali_Baba  :)
[11:05] <nickrud> Nula, postfix is already installed, and your admin user is already aliased to root
[11:05] <BurgerMann> Recyclable, tried http://kde-look.org?
[11:05] <nalioth> Recyclable: gnome-art.org i believe
[11:05] <Ali_Baba> apsuva: hi :)
[11:06] <nalioth> Recyclable: mebbe it's art.gnome.org
[11:06] <Nula> nickrud, thank you!, so postfix only takes care of "sending" message correct? not recieving outside mail
[11:06] <nalioth> Recyclable: one of those danged art sites has an osx theme
[11:06] <Recyclable> i'll try chaps
[11:06] <Recyclable> i've tryed gnomeart
[11:06] <Recyclable> found a good skin
[11:06] <nalioth> gnome-look.org
[11:06] <apsuva> linux da yeniyim birseyler ogrenmeye calisiyorum
[11:06] <nalioth> Recyclable: theres so many i can't keep up
[11:06] <Recyclable> wait
[11:06] <Recyclable> yeah, gnome look
[11:06] <Recyclable> ive tried it
[11:06] <K-Rich> thanks guys \
[11:06] <Recyclable> found a good skin
[11:07] <nickrud> Nula, correct, the default install is local mail only
[11:07] <Recyclable> but cannot for the life of me figure out how to dl it
[11:07] <Recyclable> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=20241
[11:07] <Recyclable> but i cant work out how to dl it
[11:07] <Nula> nickrud, thank you.. I'll go read the manual for that now.. this is going to be easier than i thought
[11:07] <nalioth> Recyclable: i think i know the one...its caused many questions here
[11:07] <Recyclable> :D
[11:07] <Recyclable> right
[11:08] <Recyclable> there is another one too
[11:09] <Recyclable> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=20317
[11:09] <Recyclable> wont dl either
[11:09] <teroedni> if you insert a ntfs drive or fat drive in ubuntu will it be ABLE TO READ THAT DRIVE?
[11:09] <Fator_Dee> teroedni: yes
[11:10] <Recyclable> :(
[11:10] <teroedni> NICE:)
[11:10] <Recyclable> it wont worrrrrrrrrrk
[11:10] <nalioth> teroedni: yes you can read and write to fat drives, but writing to NTFS is still risky
[11:10] <GarySaved> Where would I put  .png file to have it available for any user on my box to use?
[11:11] <teroedni> okey  but what do you mean by risky. Can i kill the harddrive?
[11:11] <Fator_Dee> teroedni: not the drive, but the data
[11:11] <dug> teroedni: just treat ntfs as read-only
[11:11] <nalioth> Recyclable: whomever put that up there, dosnt know their ass from <insert impossiblity> and i think some peeps just get off with their photoshop skillz to tease other user
[11:11] <anto9us> GarySaved: /usr/share/pixmaps might be a good place for it
[11:12] <nalioth> teroedni: writing to NTFS MAY kill all data on NTFS partition
[11:12] <Recyclable> right
[11:12] <Recyclable> cheers nal
[11:12] <Recyclable> i'll try and find another
[11:12] <Fator_Dee> GarySaved: or you could make a folder to the root directory that is readable by everyone
[11:12] <phxguy> anyone know where i can get more plug-ins for Gimp
[11:12] <GarySaved> I put them there, and in /usr/share/backgrounds but they do not come un on the list
[11:13] <dug> Is the next version of Ubuntu (breezy) going to include Mono by chance?
[11:13] <GarySaved> I want them listed when they bring up a list of available backgrounds.
[11:13] <nalioth> GarySaved: did you refresh?
[11:13] <teroedni> all scocked
[11:13] <anto9us> GarySaved: you may need to edit the read permissions for it
[11:13] <nalioth> GarySaved: try /usr/share/wallpaper(s)
[11:13] <knapjack> dug: There's some fun mono stuff out there.
[11:13] <teroedni> okey will be careful;)
[11:14] <knapjack> dug: I haven't looked yet, but I suspect you can add universe or multiverse and add mono support.
[11:14] <nalioth> teroedni: read only NTFS works great
[11:14] <nickrud> GarySaved, try /usr/share/backgrounds
[11:14] <GarySaved> I refreshed the file browser, and have re-booted.
[11:14] <nickrud> heh
[11:15] <dug> yeah i have mono now from svn, was wondering if it would be installed by default in future
[11:15] <Recyclable> nalioth, its the same with http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=14391
[11:15] <dug> i did see GnomeLiveCD will include it (and it is basically just Ubuntu)
[11:15] <R3xXy4> When trying to install Ubuntu, I get some problems, because when i click the install thing, it can't be opened..
[11:15] <teroedni> if i delete a file on the ntfs partition can i risk destroying all the others file?
[11:15] <nalioth> Recyclable: yes i think one of those is a blatantly ripped off screenshot of OSX
[11:15] <batma8> hmmm..mplayer plugin just give me a black screen
[11:16] <nalioth> teroedni: any writes/changes to your NTFS is risky
[11:16] <Ali_Baba> its not supported
[11:16] <Ali_Baba> you should use fat
[11:16] <Recyclable> okay
[11:16] <Recyclable> i cant find any others :(
[11:16] <nickrud> batma8, try a different movie, mplayer still can't play everything, IIRC
[11:17] <batma8> ok
[11:17] <batma8> ill give it a shot
[11:17] <dug> is there a free windows add-on that can mount linux partitions so i can share data?
[11:17] <HawoK> dug: i've been using rfstool
[11:18] <Quest-Master> batma8: I keep VLC and MPlayer.. if one can't play a movie, 99.9% of the time the other player can :)
[11:18] <nickrud> batma8, I use http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger/test.html to test my multimedia
[11:18] <Quest-Master> dug: ext2fs
[11:18] <Recyclable> nalioth: this looks legit http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=21024
[11:18] <HawoK> it works with reiserfs
[11:18] <dug> HawoK, Quest-Master: thanks
[11:18] <HawoK> dug: no problem =)
[11:18] <Recyclable> but it still wont download
[11:19] <Quest-Master> dug: Sure
[11:19] <GarySaved> I just checked, and the image is in /usr/share/pixmap and in /usr/share/backgrounds but does not show up on list.  I have re-booted since copying it there.
[11:20] <Fator_Dee> GarySaved: are the permissions okay?
[11:20] <GarySaved> All the images there are listed a root.
[11:20] <Fator_Dee> but the read permissions
[11:20] <Fator_Dee> that's the important part
[11:21] <nalioth> Recyclable: why don't you grab all the stuff mentioned at the last page you sent?
[11:21] <GarySaved> I'll check.
[11:21] <Fator_Dee> if you don't have permissions to read that it "doesn't exist" to you
[11:22] <apsuva> Ali_Baba : linux da yeniyim onerecegin seyler var mi
[11:22] <_hp_> Fator_Dee: what if you have permissions to write?
[11:22] <Recyclable> nalioth: I'm trying, but none of the window themes i dl show up in the themes menu once installed
[11:22] <GarySaved> They are all the same.  All three groups are set to read.
[11:22] <Fator_Dee> _hp_: then you can write to the file :-p
[11:22] <Ali_Baba> apsuva: what?
[11:23] <Fator_Dee> _hp_: isn't that quite... obvious
[11:23] <teroedni> hehe i guess a intel 440 bx board is too old to handle 120 gb
[11:23] <apsuva> are you turk?
[11:23] <nalioth> Recyclable: we can only try
[11:23] <HawoK> there is any known bug with keyboard shortcuts getting messed up in gtk2?
[11:23] <_hp_> Fator_Dee: no
[11:23] <Ali_Baba> no,im from Finland :D
[11:23] <apsuva> do you speak turkish?
[11:23] <apsuva> hmmm
[11:23] <Ali_Baba> nope.
[11:23] <Recyclable> aaaaaaaaaaaah
[11:23] <Recyclable> i found my problem nalioth
[11:23] <Recyclable> cheers for the help
[11:24] <HawoK> I've been able to reassign "s" to "new file" in monodevelop
[11:24] <Fator_Dee> _hp_: or do you mean that you have write, but not read permissions?
[11:24] <Muffie> anyone here uses qemu? I cant make network to work inside windows NT (installed as guest OS)
[11:24] <nalioth> Recyclable: so share your solution
[11:24] <GarySaved> If I go System | Preferences | Desktop Background, does it get its list from a configuration file?
[11:25] <ys76> Muffie, Which Version of qemu do you use? The 0.7 should work, the older ones seemed to be a bit buggy
[11:25] <nickrud> GarySaved, recently I've had to add backgrounds manually to that list
[11:26] <livia> Does the Gnome Screen resolution changer thing use xorg.conf?
[11:26] <GarySaved> nickrud, What file do I edit?
[11:26] <Muffie> ys76, QEMU PC emulator version 0.6.1, Copyright (c) 2003-2004 Fabrice Bellard
[11:26] <nickrud> GarySaved, actually I just though of a place to look, a moment
[11:26] <Muffie> ys76, I have downloaded using apt-get
[11:27] <Recyclable> nalioth: i was looking in the wrong thing, lol. wasn't changing the frame in theme details, was looking for it in the general theme area
[11:27] <ys76> Muffie, Maybe you should try to compile a newer version by yourself...
[11:28] <nalioth> Recyclable: ah, well let us know of your progress (easy way to the OSX look is to buy a mac mini)
[11:28] <Muffie> ys76, ok. thanks
[11:28] <ys76> Muffie, Good luck!
[11:29] <GarySaved> Note there is an option to add wallpapers to the list, but they are only added for the current user.
[11:30] <Recyclable> nalioth: i think i prefer my a64 3000+ ;)
[11:30] <nickrud> GarySaved, I took a look, and that wasn't it, I'm not sure where gnome-background-properties keeps that list
[11:31] <GarySaved> O.K. ... Thanks for looking.
[11:31] <Kpjas> Hi ppl What can be done to improve performance ? I've already followed tips from ubuntuforums and it still is quite slow. Slower than my  prev distro
[11:31] <livia> Depth		24;Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" I cant change it from 640x480 @ 60 Hz
[11:31] <nalioth> Recyclable: yes, i've been considering gettin another x86 machine (owned only macs for over 3 years) and it would probably be amd64
[11:32] <Recyclable> heh
[11:32] <bigbill52a> amd64 is the best
[11:32] <Recyclable> nalioth: I can't seem to dl these icons: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8341&forummode=2&forumpage=14&forumexplevel=all
[11:32] <Recyclable> the dl link takes me to some random page
[11:32] <nickrud> livia, do you have VertRefresh defined under monitor?
[11:33] <bigbill52a> built 4 of them so far......
[11:33] <bigbill52a> fast, smooth.....
[11:34] <nalioth> bigbill52a: i like the fact that amd runs on less power and produces more
[11:34] <livia> nickrud, no
[11:34] <nalioth> bigbill52a: but i fear that continuing this line of chat will start the "vi vs emacs" debate
[11:34] <bigbill52a> cool running processor...live in yuma..so appreciate that fact
[11:35] <nalioth> Recyclable: did you go the icons makers homepage?
[11:35] <bigbill52a> get the 939 with sli board with ati video card
[11:35] <Recyclable> i tried
[11:35] <bigbill52a> btw drivers went on smoothly on this machine
[11:36] <Recyclable> but it was laggy
[11:36] <bigbill52a> using the howtos in the forums
[11:36] <nalioth> bigbill52a: a client consulted me t'other day, so we went to a local chinese puter slop, er shop and got a duron 1.8 box+monitor for a reasonable $
[11:36] <nalioth> bigbill52a: i set him up with ubuntu, and was frankly amazed at the speed
[11:37] <cliebow> anyone used ubuntu on sony laptop?
[11:37] <nickrud> livia, you need to find out what your vertical refresh and horizontal sync for your monitor is, and add them to xorg.conf
[11:37] <bigbill52a> i use the live cd to transfer files on a lot of old machines....even that is fast
[11:38] <we2by>  xfree86-driver-fglrx 4.3.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11
[11:38] <we2by>   xorg-driver-fglrx 6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11
[11:38] <we2by> which one should  install for my card?
[11:38] <Nula> i have setup the S.M.A.R.T disk monitoring tools to monitoring the raid arrays in the ubuntu server .. I configured it to send email for errors.. I also added a -M test which sends a test mail at the daemon startup.. I can't seem to configure postfix correctly though since I'm not recieving anymail
[11:39] <livia> Horizontal: 30K~72KHz Vertical: 50~160Hz
[11:39] <ys76> we2by, Do you use Xfree or xorg?
[11:39] <we2by> I dunnno
[11:39] <we2by> this is a default install
[11:39] <Fator_Dee> we2by: do you use hoary or warty
[11:39] <ys76> we2by, Hoary or Warhy
[11:39] <ys76> we2by, Hoary or Warthy
[11:39] <Fator_Dee> hoary -> xorg, warty -> xfree
[11:40] <we2by> hoary
[11:40] <Fator_Dee> xorg it is
[11:40] <teroedni> couldnt mount blabla bla
[11:40] <we2by> it is the latest stable Ubuntu
[11:40] <we2by> 5.0x I think
[11:40] <Fator_Dee> it's the xorg one
[11:40] <kisain> anyone here know about kubuntu?
[11:40] <dug> livia: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:41] <jrhodes> or you can just type X -version in terminal and find out
[11:41] <Amaranth> kisain: #kubuntu
[11:41] <HawoK> kisain: #kubuntu
[11:41] <kisain> no
[11:41] <kisain> dangermouse is a freakin rude asshole
[11:41] <LazySod> the "leave sound at remote" doesn't work with rdesktop... any ideas how to fix this?
[11:41] <kisain> i won't go there
[11:41] <Fator_Dee> kisain: ignore him?
[11:41] <kisain> i know this is an ubuntu channel and i'm sorry to intrude
[11:41] <kisain> tryed it
[11:41] <Fator_Dee> and I mean /ignore :-)
[11:42] <HawoK> back in a minute
[11:42] <kisain> he has everyone laughing at my stupidity with linux :(
[11:42] <jrhodes> now I feel a bit idiotic asking this, but let's assume I have a few different window managers already installed on the system. how would I add them to the GDM menu? /etc/X11/Sessions doesn't exist and that's how it would be done on a normal system so I'm at a bit of a loss
[11:42] <kisain> so now no one will help me
[11:42] <kisain> :(
[11:42] <kisain> and it's all over a simple sound problem
[11:42] <cliebow> kisain:ping
[11:42] <nalioth> bigbill52a: i've got my (if i win a lotto) eye on a dual-proc, dual-core amd64 box, but will probably settle on a single plain ol' amd64 box
[11:43] <kisain> ping him?
[11:43] <livia> dug, thanks =)
[11:43] <bigbill52a> even that is very fast....
[11:43] <justin> jrhodes: what did you do to make them not already in the menu?
[11:43] <jrhodes> built them from CVS.
[11:44] <nalioth> bigbill52a: yes with hypertransport and a sh**pot of ram, i'm sure it will be
[11:44] <jrhodes> one in particular, E DR17.
[11:44] <justin> jrhodes: why not look at what files another window manager installs and see how it gets added to the menu?
[11:44] <jp_> which command can I restart all services? thanks
[11:44] <urb85> hi all
[11:45] <kisain> i pinged him and it just gave me latency times
[11:45] <bigbill52a> windows is fast too....lol...
[11:45] <kisain> or am i doin something dumb?
[11:45] <dug> so, what do you do when a new ubuntu version comes out?  Reinstall ubuntu? or can you just upgrade without losing settings
[11:45] <Fator_Dee> dug: you can upgrade it easily
[11:46] <jp_> which command can I restart all services? thanks
[11:46] <nickrud> dug, you'll never have to reinstall :)
[11:46] <peter__> it's the first time I try linux and i love it
[11:46] <dug> great, thanks
[11:46] <nalioth> bigbill52a: now why'd ya have to start with the foul language? i at least use ** to cover the dirt
[11:46] <nalioth> dug: apt-get will upgrade you painlessly
[11:46] <dug> :)
[11:46] <DarwinsBulldog> dug, but as with any major upgrade on any system ensuring your data is backed up is sensible.,
[11:46] <dug> yeah i love apt-get
[11:47] <Fator_Dee> I've blewn my ram away :-p
[11:47] <kisain> well anyway can anyone help me with a sound problem???/
[11:47] <Fator_Dee> kisain: just ask, someone might know
[11:47] <teroedni> what is the problem?
[11:47] <peter__> what about wireless
[11:47] <nalioth> kisain: you've been in here b4, if anyone knows the answer, they will help you
[11:47] <we2by> I am getting aroung 500 FPS right now when running fgl_glxgears
[11:47] <bigbill52a> linux is a home made os and just like home made bread it beats that store bought stufff
[11:48] <we2by> do I have 3D acceleration?
[11:48] <kisain> true just havin a bad day after i got chewd out by dangermouse
[11:48] <kisain> sorry
[11:48] <DarwinsBulldog> we2by, nope.
[11:48] <nickrud> we2by, cat glxinfo | grep direct
[11:48] <humbraro> bigbill52a: love that analogy
[11:48] <nalioth> bigbill52a: yes it does, but please spare my sensitive stomach and don't mention that vile winduhs thang again
[11:48] <officer> hi. I may be asking a dumb question, but ...............is there something like a very reliable antivirus for linux?
[11:48] <bigbill52a> and you know what they put in that store bought bread
[11:48] <drsung> anto9us: now i'm back. I tried and i tried... does acx111 support WEP
[11:48] <we2by> direct rendering: Yes
[11:48] <DarwinsBulldog> You should be getting 1000fos + with any card made in the last few years
[11:49] <humbraro> officer: check out clamav
[11:49] <officer> thanks
[11:49] <DarwinsBulldog> we2by, what graphics card do you have ?
[11:49] <peter__> or panda antivirus it's for free
[11:49] <justin> fgl_glxgears is different from glxgears
[11:49] <justin> it runs slower
[11:49] <we2by> do I need to add Load "fglrx"  in the module section of xorg.conf?
[11:49] <we2by> DarwinsBulldog, radeon 9800 pro
[11:50] <nalioth> peter__: is panda open-source free or just free from monetary payment?
[11:50] <justin> we2by: why don't you just run whatever it is you actually want 3d accelleration for and see if it is slow or not?
[11:50] <we2by> wow
[11:50] <we2by> with glxgears, I get 2563.800 FPS
[11:50] <we2by> and now 8160.200 FPS
[11:50] <nickrud> ah, now thats a bit better
[11:50] <DarwinsBulldog> we2by, then you do have 3d acceleration enabled.
[11:51] <peter__> it is open source
[11:51] <we2by> can I install games like america Army using apt-get?
[11:51] <nalioth> peter__: will have to check it out
[11:51] <peter__> i know for sure it is free
[11:52] <stuNNed> we2by: probably not
[11:52] <peter__> i'm dealer of panda
[11:52] <ys76> we2by, I don't thing it is provided by ubuntu, but you may find a *.deb at the website of AA
[11:52] <nalioth> peter__: i like to personally use open-source free software
[11:52] <teroedni> kisain what type of problem
[11:54] <kisain> when i run this program called teamspeak
[11:54] <apsuva> how to install wmware?
[11:54] <kisain> no other sound is permitted to run
[11:54] <ys76> peter__, Are you really sure it's free? www.pandasoftware.com claims it is Shareware and only the betas are free...
[11:54] <kisain> and if another sound is running no teamspeak
[11:55] <kisain> it's the same with other programs including gaim
[11:55] <nalioth> ys76: he quit b4 we could skool him
[11:55] <ys76> nalioth, I am to slow...
[11:57] <nickrud> kisain, I helped, sorta, some one fix that problem, and he documented it at the bottom of http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[11:57] <teroedni_> yust checking
[11:58] <teroedni_> Ununtu works good on s-ata
[11:58] <teroedni_> :)
[11:58] <teroedni_> by the way does bogomips only take the mhz into account?
[11:59] <mjr> it's basically the frequency times a platform-spesific multiplier
[11:59] <teroedni_> it doesnt seem to give more credit for cache or architecture
[11:59] <teroedni_> :(
[11:59] <jrhodes> mips stands for million *instructions* per second, while Hz is merely a measurement of the electrical frequency
[11:59] <nickrud> i think it's called bogo because it's fundamentally bogus :)