[12:02] <_piotr> I believe that macs are just more powerful when it comes to graphics etc
[12:02] <_piotr> uniq: I also though about the ibook 12 but maybe its a little bit too small
[12:02] <amu> serveral powerbooks alu and so on 15" and a ibook 12" 
[12:03] <_piotr> so you're reach :D
[12:03] <amu> ?
[12:03] <_piotr> rich
[12:03] <_piotr> I mean
[12:03] <_piotr> :D
[12:03] <_piotr> oh dear what happened to my language skills :)
[12:04] <amu> rich no, i'm a very poor guy, i spend all my money into those apple 
[12:04] <_piotr> amu: :)
[12:04] <_piotr> amu: so tell me.. how are your eyes doing after spending lots of hours in front of a 12' powerbook
[12:06] <_ron> hey. How do I install the kernel headers? 
[12:06] <_piotr> I find it unbelievable that the 17' owerbook is over 100 euro more expansive here in austrian than in germany
[12:06] <amu> the 12" is good if you're away from home, rocks with 4,5h battery live ... 15" i a medium  youcan use it as well at home, better at home is a normal desktop :)
[12:07] <amu> the 17" is too big for me
[12:07] <_piotr> :)
[12:07] <_piotr> normal desktop at home is better but im student and dont know how often ill move around within the next years
[12:07] <_piotr> change apartments etc
[12:08] <amu> than take a 14" ibook, the 12" for daily use is too small
[12:08] <_piotr> is the ibook fast enough..
[12:09] <_piotr> I mean .. for wathcing movies and running osx and kubuntu etf
[12:09] <_piotr> etc
[12:09] <_piotr> it has only 256 ram
[12:09] <_piotr> 32 mb gfx card
[12:10] <amu> sure fast enough ... expect you want build a hole kde-tree on it ;)
[12:10] <_piotr> :D
[12:10] <amu> buy extra 1 gig ram and everything is fine 
[12:10] <_piotr> ok
[12:10] <_piotr> where are you from by the way?
[12:10] <Pupeno> _piotr: your usage is similar to mine. I'm trying to get a 17" notebook, I was interested on an eMachine: something like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=177&item=5193900721
[12:11] <_piotr> 1000 ram is 500 euro :) that what I can get a desktop for
[12:11] <amu> _piotr: germany
[12:12] <Pupeno> How do you set up a repository for apt-get to use ?
[12:12] <_piotr> Pupeno:where are u from?
[12:12] <othernoob> what do i have to do to get opera to see the jre ?
[12:12] <Pupeno> _piotr: Argentina. Here notebooks costs the double than in USA.
[12:13] <_piotr> ok. thats a cheap 17' notebook
[12:13] <Pupeno> _piotr: indeed.
[12:13] <_piotr> looks cool
[12:13] <Pupeno> emachines are cheep.
[12:13] <Pupeno> cheap.
[12:13] <_piotr> Pupeno: but are they light enough to take them with you?
[12:14] <amu> :) thats the problem the 17" is realy huge 
[12:15] <_piotr> i have got a fujitsu siemens here for 1500 euro on geizhals.at . its 4 kg!
[12:15] <_piotr> an apple 17' powerbook is 3 kg
[12:16] <_piotr> big difference
[12:16] <_piotr> but 15inch is too small for desktop use so I dont know.. :)
[12:16] <_piotr> how to decide
[12:17] <Pupeno> _piotr: I don't really care about that because I'm not interested in taking it with me: on this country, on this city, I wouldn't walk on the streets with a notebook. But I'm interested to be able to move (as change house) with just a bagpack.
[12:17] <_piotr> Pupeno: yeah .. me too..
[12:17] <Pupeno> _piotr: buy a small notebook and a big flat screen, carry the notebook leave the screen.
[12:17] <_piotr> :D
[12:17] <Pupeno> _piotr: where are you ?
[12:17] <_piotr> austria
[12:18] <amu> the 12" ibook is 2,2kg 
[12:19] <_piotr> what are acer notebooks like? they are quite cheap
[12:19] <_piotr> and dont look too bad
[12:19] <_piotr> so shouldnt get damaged too quuickly
[12:19] <kay> I bought mine from tuxhardware.de, they had instructions how configure everything with free software
[12:19] <kay> And it came with Gentoo pre-installed
[12:20] <amu> acer is worser than dell :) 
[12:20] <_piotr> kay: is kde fluent
[12:20] <kay> I may say, it is also a Wortmann AG thing, good old German company
[12:20] <_piotr> amu: :)
[12:21] <_piotr> amu: so whats the best linux compatible x86 notebook company?
[12:21] <kay> _piotr: hm, fluent?
[12:21] <kay> You know, Ubuntu has this contract with HP....
[12:22] <amu> _piotr: there are 3 possibilities, HP or IMB or an apple, HP is perfect with service if something breaks you get your laptop back, in 5 days, ibm good quality also, good service, well and apple is known for best design and hardware 
[12:22] <kay> They are going to support their notebooks with Ubuntu, so it will work everything fine
[12:22] <_piotr> apple has goot service too
[12:22] <_piotr> cooll about hp
[12:22] <amu> kay: only 1 serie 
[12:22] <_piotr> what aobut sony or fujitsu siemens?
[12:22] <kay> amu: It sure read like a lot numbers
[12:22] <amu> go away with them 
[12:23] <_piotr> amu: which one?
[12:23] <_piotr> hp..
[12:23] <kay> Sony is nice style, but not good hardware
[12:23] <_piotr> ok
[12:23] <Pupeno> toshiba is also good for linux I believe. I'd be interested in a solution that doesn't imply Microsoft-tax
[12:23] <kay> Then none of the big except Apple will work
[12:23] <amu> kay: is i know the NX series is full supported, mybe other seies works also .... 
[12:23] <Pupeno> _piotr: sony is extrenely prorpietary, so, expect it to be a pain in the a*s to get anything to work.
[12:23] <_piotr> kay: are ther hp laptops which ship with ubuntu
[12:24] <kay> Except of course, that MS owns big part of Apple
[12:24] <kay> _piotr: The HP laptops are going to ship with FreeDOS installed, but with Ubuntu CDs (free)
[12:24] <Pupeno> kay: well, Apple is Apple-taxed, so, it's the same. Asus sell OS-less notebooks, but I don't trust Asus.
[12:24] <_piotr> kay: great no.. ms license
[12:24] <kay> I went for a smaller company just because of that, and I must say, I was not disappointed
[12:24] <amu> kay: http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2005/8051.html
[12:25] <amu> Riddell: cool
[12:25] <_piotr> kay:so where would I get a Hp without windows xp
[12:25] <kay> amu: Yes, but still... who else but HP does this?
[12:25] <Pupeno> amu: english version somewhere ?
[12:26] <kay> _piotr: Well, it sure won't be cheaper, MS has that kind of contracts with them
[12:26] <amu> Pupeno: pipe it though babelfish
[12:26] <Riddell> amu, uniq: ready for amd64 .debs if you wish to supply them
[12:27] <_piotr> kay: how come. 
[12:27] <_piotr> thought that hp was a nice company :D
[12:27] <amu> kay: as i read there are a lot of small companies, they deliver their hardware with preinstalled k(u)buntu
[12:28] <kay> Wise of them... amu
[12:28] <amu> uniq: you can do that? i've enough other work :) 
[12:28] <kay> If Breezy meets its release goal, the notebooks of the top 5 vendors should work fine, right?
[12:28] <uniq> riddell: i've got kaffine ready.. kdelibs compiling.
[12:28] <uniq> amu: sure.
[12:29] <amu> kay: the goal for breezy is that all laptops are supported, breezy will be the  laptop distri
[12:29] <kay> amu: :-)
[12:30] <amu> uniq: thanks, than i'll do ppc 
[12:30] <amu> kay: i'm not joking :)
[12:30] <kay> I am just happy
[12:32] <kay> btw, reading changelogs... i saw something like "remove visibility=hidden"
[12:32] <amu> _piotr: as i said hp,ibm or apple everything other, forget it. As a student you need your laptop everyday, let say acer, you must wait month's in order to get it back :) ... HP supports also kde & debian one more reason to support them   
[12:32] <_ron> Has anyone gotten the updated Kopete to play with msn?
[12:32] <_brandonn> anyone know why on konqueror my fonts looks fine, but on firefox everything is small and hard to read?
[12:32] <uniq> _ron: yes.
[12:33] <_piotr> thanks guys
[12:33] <_piotr> I think Ill take a hp
[12:33] <_ron> uniq:  did you do anything special^
[12:33] <uniq> _ron: no, just update and connect.
[12:33] <Pupeno> _brandonn: because konqueror is part of KDE and respects the general configuration of KDE, which is sane. Firefox has its own configuration that is not quite nice, just go and change it ;)
[12:33] <_ron> hmmm thanks
[12:33] <Pupeno> _piotr: I think I'll consider HP as well.
[12:33] <Pupeno> Thank you.
[12:34] <_piotr> Pupeno: still need the money to buy it :D
[12:35] <_brandonn> Pupeno, the strange thing is I have another Kubuntu machine, and firefox has the same (font) settings, but the fonts look fine on that one
[12:35] <kay> What's with these cheap notebook we read about
[12:35] <Pupeno> _brandonn: my answer would remain the same I believe.
[12:35] <kay> 100, 200 USD ones seem to be made for 3rd world
[12:36] <kay> If they break, you could just take a new one
[12:36] <kay> (several times and still be cheaper...)
[12:36] <Pupeno> kay: here, in the third world, there are only 1500 and up notebooks available on the market (and if it's 1500 here, it's 900 on USA, if it's 3000 here, it's 1500 on USA) 
[12:36] <Pupeno> kay: and I'm not talking about money conversions, they are all USA dollars.
[12:37] <kay> well, you know, Germany is part of the 3rd world in that regard
[12:38] <Pupeno> I can't understand why notebooks are so expensive anywhere else than USA (generally).
[12:38] <Pupeno> after all, they are made on China anyway.
[12:39] <kay> Maybe something antitrust
[12:39] <kay> Think films and stuff, all more expensive here
[12:39] <_piotr> ok; ill go to bed guys..
[12:39] <kay> night _piotr 
[12:39] <_piotr> have a good night.. 
[12:41] <amu> Pupeno: in Brasil a packet cigarets cost 50cents, in autralia 12$ ...same label 
[12:43] <amu> same with Volkswagen, the VW is in Spain cheaper than in Germany .... 
[12:43] <Pupeno> amu: that's not something easy to compare, because if the packer of cigarets is made on Brasil, it makes sense, and if Australia has pro-health laws with special taxes on cigaretes, it makes sense as well.
[12:44] <Pupeno> amu: in that case, it may be a market choice, the average money-capacity of spanish people is lower than germany, so, it makes sense to make the cars cheaper if they want to sell at all (or in the other way, they are able to make them expensive on Germany and still sell).
[12:44] <kay> amu: The VW is made in Spain too
[12:44] <Pupeno> there's another important factor.
[12:44] <amu> ok cigaretes are are bad example, but why is the VW in spain cheaper ... 
[12:44] <amu> kay: no also in italy it's cheaper :)
[12:45] <kay> People in Germany are willing to pay more for cars than everybody else
[12:45] <Pupeno> amu: my initial statment prevails.
[12:45] <amu> that's it
[12:46] <Pupeno> amu: but why do notebooks costs the double in Argentina than in the USA, while they are made somewhere else of those countries and people in USA earn more than 1000u$s monthly while people in Argentina earn less than 300u$s monthly still puzzels me.
[12:47] <kay> maybe there is more competition there
[12:47] <amu> Pupeno: i guess there are socalled distributors in argentina, it's only them allowed to import the waerez 
[12:47] <Pupeno> kay: that can be a possible solution.
[12:47] <kay> My suspect is that non-US is where US companies make their money
[12:47] <kay> Whereas in US they will even accept losses, just to remain in the game
[12:48] <kay> The Apple is a good example too
[12:48] <Pupeno> kay: the typical USA people living off the rest of the world.
[12:48] <kay> Apple has to fear no distributor, right?
[12:48] <amu> .. and those distributors earn the money 
[12:49] <kay> Still, Apples simply have cost twice as much here
[12:49] <amu> kay: partner is it called
[12:49] <kay> The iMac e.g. flopped here due to that point
[12:50] <Pupeno> anyway, I have a weird problem here.
[12:51] <amu> Pupeno: wait for someone who visit another country he'll bring you the laptop 
[12:51] <kay> Travel to US, buy there, have a good time, return, save money :p
[12:51] <Pupeno> My firewall/gateway(masquerade) works good with firestart, the masquerade machine can work, but when I try to do it with guarddo/guidedog it just doesn't work. KMail on the masqed computer can't download mail (while I can from that computer telnet to the mail server at its port and I get a reply), any ideas ?
[12:52] <Pupeno> kay: I don't want to put a foot on USA soil for a long long long time.
[12:52] <Pupeno> kay: and spending 1000u$s on travel tickets to buy a notebook for 900u$s instead of 1500u$s doesn't really save money.
[12:53] <Pupeno> amu: that's probably what I do, but customs in this country 'haunt you down' when you come from USA.
[12:53] <kay> Thought you were in Brazil... 
[12:53] <Pupeno> s/t I do/t I'll do/
[12:53] <Pupeno> kay: I'm on Argentina.
[12:53] <kay> Ah ok
[12:54] <kay> In some countries in Asia the governments are doing something about it, I read
[12:54] <Pupeno> does anybody know what's up with this guarddog/guidedog ? does it work ?
[12:54] <kay> But Argentina, does it still suffer?
[12:54] <Pupeno> kay: what do you mean ?
[12:55] <amu> Pupeno: you're bit too late, haggai was last year there, there was debconf  and some people from .ar visted debconf also .... 
[12:55] <kay> Pupeno: I recall there was a harsh enconomic breakdown
[12:56] <Pupeno> kay: yes, I left this country shortly after it started.
[12:56] <Pupeno> kay: the situation is still bad, the USA-based organizations and USA itself keeps pressing our authorities to take bad choices, but still, the echonomy is getting better.
[12:57] <Pupeno> s/take/make/
[12:57] <kay> Isn't there free trade between south america and US now?
[12:58] <kay> I forgot, there are 2 organisations, one with Argentina, one with Brazil
[12:58] <kay> They had free trade treaty, not?
[12:58] <Pupeno> kay: no, only Chile is part of NAFTA (or whatever it was called)... and Mexico.
[12:58] <kay> yeah... and there is another one
[12:58] <Pupeno> kay: here we have Mercosur, between Brasil, Uruguay, Paraguay and Argentina... which is a big failure.
[12:59] <kay> exactly that was the name
[12:59] <kay> Why is it, Pupeno ?
[12:59] <Pupeno> kay: The two big countries in this game where Brasil and Argentina. Brasil never played fair and Argentina was taken down by the IMF, so, it was very useless.
[12:59] <amu> ok, again .us fault ;) in iraq they stole oil for food, in south america bad chooses :)  
[01:00] <Pupeno> kay: Brasilians are very nationalist, so, even when you could sell to them without paying taxes, they wouldn't buy from you if you don't buy from them first, so, it was a different kind of tax.
[01:00] <kay> Sounds like French :p
[01:01] <Pupeno> kay: Argentinians are not nationalist (untill nationalism can be expressed with violence braking things, like the glasses of McDonalds and similar stupid behaviours), so, we end importing a lot from Brasil and not exporting anything and the economy went down.
[01:01] <Pupeno> s/glasses/windows/
[01:02] <Pupeno> Now, I know another trade organization is being born, from Ecuador and it is supoused to integrate all South America... but honestly, I haven't seen anything else than a couple of words about it.
[01:03] <kay> That thing about nations has something bad about it anyway
[01:03] <Pupeno> kay: I'm strongly oposed agains the concept of countries.
[01:03] <kay> So, why should i matter from which humans you buy :p
[01:04] <kay> If you don't buy best / cheapest, you are plain silly
[01:04] <Pupeno> kay: because I don't buy from humans who are actively hurting other humans.
[01:04] <Pupeno> kay: or, in other words, I buy from the humans who I believe are hurting the less.
[01:04] <kay> Wow, how are you going to get a notebook
[01:04] <kay> Made in China
[01:04] <kay> Sold via US
[01:05] <kay> Dictators that kill their citizens (and exploit them)
[01:05] <Pupeno> kay: I do not know, I'll try to find the best available, as I do in all the other cases.
[01:05] <kay> You see :p
[01:06] <Pupeno> kay: it is not easy for me to make such desitions, to take such actions, it always hurt me.
[01:07] <transgress> say hello to meredyth.  she's my bitch.
[01:07] <kay> hm... transgress ...
[01:07] <transgress> ha... 
[01:07] <kay> Ah yes, a troll woke up :p
[01:07] <transgress> eh i help more than some of the other trolls
[01:15] <amu> transgress: for every user converted from gnome to kde you can send 1 troll posting, every gnome-dev, 2 troll postings, isnt that a deal? 
[01:15] <Diablo-D3> lol
[01:16] <Pupeno> hehehe.
[01:16] <Pupeno> amu: converting windows users/devs to kubuntu, how much does he earn ?
[01:17] <amu> nothing, they will come, it's only a question of time :) 
[01:17] <Pupeno> hehehe.
[01:21] <Tezkah> if I installed ubuntu-desktop on kubuntu, shouldn't I end up with the exact same result as if installing Ubuntu?
[01:22] <psn> Tezkah: no you end up with kubuntu and ubuntu
[01:23] <Tezkah> I wonder why XFCE wont work
[01:23] <Tezkah> I'm going to try again
[01:24] <Tezkah> yeah that didn't work right
[01:27] <_ron> Hey. I am having some sound problems. I have ALSA configured sucessfully, and I have restarted, but I am not hearing any sound. Any ideas^
[01:27] <Pupeno> To automatically load all the installed emacs extensions, may I load some general file that does the works for me (like /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/debian-startup.elc) ? (this is the way it works on Gentoo).
[01:27] <amu> _ron: make sure pcm & vol are set not =0
[01:28] <_ron> amu: how do I do that^
[01:28] <amu> start kmix ... 
[01:29] <Tezkah_> how annoying
[01:29] <Tezkah_> xfce4 loads
[01:29] <Tezkah_> but I cant open any settings windows
[01:30] <_ron> amu:  Sorry I am a little new to kde. I am in kmix. Which are the ones you mentioned?
[01:30] <amu> _ron: there a master control right? 
[01:31] <amu> there's even
[01:31] <_ron> amu:  I am not sure if I see one. There is a headphone slider
[01:31] <_ron> headphone, front, front mic, surrond, center, LFE, Line, CD, Mic, Pc Speaker
[01:32] <amu> there's a tab named output/input/switches right?
[01:33] <_ron> Yes (but in French) lol
[01:33] <amu> :) that's good
[01:33] <_ron> nm I GOT IT
[01:33] <_ron> :)
[01:33] <amu> goto output 
[01:34] <amu> _ron: err, you got your sound, or you found the tab ;)
[01:34] <_ron> I got the sound.
[01:34] <_ron> :)
[01:34] <_ron> It was just labeled something funny
[01:36] <amu> ok, there's a bug about it, it could be probably fixed with kcmshell ? 
[01:36] <_ron> amu: are you talking to me? lol
[01:38] <Pupeno> To automatically load all the installed emacs extensions, may I load some general file that does the works for me (like /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/debian-startup.elc) ? (this is the way it works on Gentoo).
[01:38] <amu> _ron: sure, i told you, how get your sound, you tell me, how to set it automatically :) 
[01:40] <Pupeno> awesome, got sbcl 0.9.0.39 and slime-cvs to work on ubuntu :D
[01:40] <_ron> lol sorry I don't quite understand and probably do not know how to help anyway. lol
[01:40] <transgress> oot here comes the dreadlocks!
[01:40] <transgress> err woot!
[01:41] <amu> _ron: no prob :) 
[01:44] <_ron> This is a longshot, but does anyone know how to get rid of the "scratchy " sound in ALSA using hda-intel drivers?
[01:46] <crimsun> please describe
[01:46] <_ron> describe which?
[01:46] <amu> hmmm if i set konqui as background, on the left side it's bit lighter, or my grafic-card has problems
[01:46] <crimsun> _ron: the scratchy sounds?
[01:46] <_ron> amu: try hitting your screen
[01:47] <amu> _ron: ... now it's black
[01:47] <_ron> crimsun: there is an identified problem talked about in the forums. The sound is unclear and evidently scratchy.
[01:47] <_ron> amu: lol
[01:47] <_ron> amu: too hard a hit, I guess
[01:47] <crimsun> _ron: I need a link or something.
[01:48] <_ron> crimsun: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[01:48] <_ron> crimsun: see Note 2
[01:48] <amu> hehe, hold on i'll screenshot it 
[01:48] <crimsun> _ron: so you've not tried 1.0.9rc3?
[01:49] <_ron> crimsun: I am running rc3
[01:49] <crimsun> so the howto needs to be updated
[01:49] <crimsun> also, --with-oss=yes needs to be added to step (1)
[01:49] <_ron> crimsun: are you sure about that?
[01:50] <_ron> crimsun: is it worth my running the config again?
[01:50] <crimsun> _ron: if you want oss emulation, yes.
[01:50] <crimsun> _ron: otherwise it's not necessary
[01:50] <_ron> crimsun: is it possible that oss em. would not have the gross scratchiness?
[01:51] <crimsun> _ron: possible, yes.
[01:51] <crimsun> however, if that's a case, file a bug in mantis ASAP so it can be fixed before 1.0.9 is tagged
[01:51] <crimsun> the case, rather
[01:53] <amu> _ron: can you confirm this also : http://amu.debian.net/tmp/snapshot1.png 
[01:55] <_ron> amu:  there is a white line at the left edge of the screen. it looke like a style
[01:57] <_ron> crimsun: if you are going to do something with the FAQ also note that --with-cards=hda-intel as I ran it the first time, made alsaconf not detect any cards... when I just ran ./configure, alsaconf detected my hda-intel card
[01:58] <_ron> amu:  have you had a look at different backgrounds? because it doesn't look like the white line goes up into the menu bar
[01:58] <crimsun> _ron: alsaconf should be avoided.
[01:59] <_ron> crimsun: tell the faq that. lol
[01:59] <crimsun> _ron: you can, too, btw
[01:59] <amu> _ron: yep, it's only with the konqui background .... 
[02:00] <_ron> amu: ... so is it really a problem? there is just a gradient at the edge of thekonqui bakground that you have maybe
[02:00] <_ron> crimsun: I can? how???
[02:00] <crimsun> _ron: log in using your userid
[02:01] <_ron> crimsun:  OH 
[02:01] <crimsun> anyone with an acct can edit unlocked wiki pages
[02:01] <_ron> crimsun:  I didn't even know that there waas membership lol
[02:02] <amu> _ron: nope no real problem, i'm just woundering about.   
[02:03] <_ron> crimsun: thank you for giving me a gateway to oppurtunity *worships toes*
[02:07] <Riddell> amu: that's how the wallpaper is ment to look
[02:09] <_ron> crimsun: Ha! faq fixed. lol
[02:10] <amu> Riddell: ic
[02:11] <_ron> amu: lol
[02:11] <amu> hehe
[02:12] <Jet2k5> Anyone here using k3b?
[02:13] <othernoob> sometimes
[02:14] <Jet2k5> I got a problem
[02:14] <Jet2k5> I don't know if it's right to ask here, but I take it it's ubuntu and kde related
[02:14] <Jet2k5> I'm running Ubuntu but with gnome
[02:14] <Jet2k5> k3b: error while loading shared libraries: libartskde.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:14] <Jet2k5> I get that error when I try and open up k3b
[02:14] <Jet2k5> what package contains that library?
[02:14] <Jet2k5> kde-core?
[02:15] <Riddell> Jet2k5: that's in kdelibs4
[02:15] <Riddell> Jet2k5: what are you trying to do?
[02:15] <Jet2k5> just install k3b and get it running
[02:15] <Jet2k5> I did apt-get install k3b
[02:15] <Riddell> Jet2k5: in hoary?
[02:15] <Jet2k5> got all the deps and stuff
[02:15] <Jet2k5> yeah
[02:15] <Jet2k5> and tried to run it, and that's the error message that I got
[02:15] <Riddell> Jet2k5: do you have /usr/lib/libartskde.so.1 ?
[02:16] <amu> Jet2k5: what happen, if you say apt-get install kdelibs4 
[02:16] <Jet2k5> nope
[02:16] <Jet2k5> amu: already installed
[02:16] <Jet2k5> let me see if re-installing it does anything
[02:17] <Jet2k5> nope same thing
[02:17] <amu> could you run a dpkg -L kdelibs4 |grep libarts
[02:18] <Jet2k5> nothign comes up
[02:18] <amu> you use other apt-sources than ubuntu?
[02:18] <amu> .. other than archive.ubuntu.com
[02:20] <Jet2k5> umm I don't know what you are asking
[02:20] <Jet2k5> I have extra reps. , yes
[02:21] <amu> ... could you run a : dpkg -l |grep k3b
[02:21] <Jet2k5> as root or user?
[02:21] <amu> user is fine
[02:21] <Jet2k5> ii  k3b            0.11.23-0ubunt K3b, a sophisticated KDE cd burning applicat
[02:21] <Jet2k5> ii  k3blibs        0.11.23-0ubunt The KDE cd burning application library - run
[02:22] <amu> dpkg -l |grep kdelibs4
[02:22] <bigbill52a> I can not use kubuntu or xfce because the xserver will crash leaving me with a screen filled with blinking grey boxes...the keyboard also crashes and i have to shut down the system manually
[02:23] <Jet2k5> ii  kdelibs4       3.4.0-0ubuntu3 KDE core libraries
[02:24] <amu> Jet2k5: ok, try apt-get install kdelibs4 --reinstall 
[02:24] <amu> + sudo apt-get ... 
[02:24] <Jet2k5> no need for sudo, I've got my root account :)
[02:25] <transgress> eww
[02:25] <transgress> that's what sudo -s is for
[02:25] <_ron> lol
[02:25] <bigbill52a> me too..dont know why ..i have root account and had to change sudoers so that I could use sudo...
[02:26] <amu> transgress: man sudo 
[02:26] <bigbill52a> adding user didnt add me to sudoers..i had to do it manually...though i dont mind it..the best of two worlds
[02:26] <Jet2k5> heh I'm a semi system administrator and sudo is not vey safe
[02:26] <Jet2k5> according to my book
[02:26] <Jet2k5> err I mean I want to be a semi administrator :)
[02:27] <amu> err s/ transgress / Jet2k5 
[02:27] <Jet2k5> same thing :(
[02:27] <Jet2k5> ok, I think I might know what the reason is
[02:27] <Jet2k5> I installed kde, but got rid of it
[02:27] <Jet2k5> I went into synaptics and got rid of everything that had ke
[02:28] <Jet2k5> what command do you guys use to install kde?
[02:28] <amu> kde
[02:28] <amu> apt-get install in font of it ... 
[02:29] <Jet2k5> yeah
[02:29] <Jet2k5> is that just like the standar kde?
[02:30] <amu> the kubuntu one is kubuntu-desktop ... personally I install "kde  
[02:30] <Jet2k5> k
[02:31] <amu> Jet2k5: just run apt-get install kde; change your loginmanager to kdm and everything will be fine 
[02:31] <Jet2k5> na I'm ok :)
[02:32] <amu> .. you can trust me :) 
[02:32] <Jet2k5> kde is neat
[02:32] <Jet2k5> I like it
[02:33] <amu> the other command you need is: apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop 
[02:33] <Jet2k5> lol
[02:33] <Jet2k5> :)
[02:33] <Jet2k5> geez
[02:33] <amu> ;)
[02:33] <Jet2k5> I see that kybuntu is very buggy tho
[02:34] <amu> buggy ? 
[02:34] <Jet2k5> a lot of apps are crashing
[02:34] <Jet2k5> and no bug fixes for them
[02:34] <amu> ? which ? 
[02:34] <othernoob> Jet2k5 are you using the 686 kernels ?
[02:35] <amu> did you added deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main to ypu sources list ? 
[02:36] <Jet2k5> no I didn't
[02:36] <amu> AHA 
[02:36] <Jet2k5> so kubuntu is a seperate distro than from ubuntu or what?
[02:37] <amu> kubuntu is like ubuntu but as kde as the default wm 
[02:37] <Jet2k5> I know that
[02:37] <Jet2k5> but I heard that they are 2 different distros
[02:37] <Jet2k5> that kubuntu is not supported by the Ubuntu team
[02:37] <amu> that's wrong :)
[02:38] <Jet2k5> fruit cakes people 
[02:40] <Jet2k5> Isn't kde suppose to have voice support?
[02:40] <Jet2k5> Like using bluetooth technology
[02:42] <Jet2k5> k done installing
[02:42] <Jet2k5> amu: how do I add the rep.?
[02:42] <Jet2k5> repo I mean
[02:43] <apollo2011> How do I resize NTFS during installation of kubuntu 5.04?  I see it has ntfsresize integrated, and when I click on the size, it says it will write the data to the disk but never asks for a size...is this info gathered after the data is written?
[02:44] <amu> run echo "deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main" >>/etc/apt/sources.list 
[02:44] <apollo2011> cn anyone help me? Diable-D3?
[02:45] <apollo2011> Diablo-D3?
[02:45] <Jet2k5> hello
[02:46] <Jet2k5> opps
[02:46] <Jet2k5> lol
[02:46] <Diablo-D3> apollo2011: nope.
[02:46] <Jet2k5> umm why?
[02:46] <apollo2011> im not looking for win support...
[02:46] <Jet2k5> it's good
[02:46] <apollo2011> anyone know how to do this?
[02:47] <Jet2k5> just because you could stay off the porn site and got viruses doesn't mean it's bad :)
[02:47] <Jet2k5> lol
[02:47] <Jet2k5> j/k
[02:47] <apollo2011> I don't want to have it write whatever it wants to write and get my table screwed over
[02:47] <Jet2k5> umm apollo2011 sorry i can't remember the installation stpes
[02:47] <apollo2011> ok
[02:47] <Jet2k5> err
[02:47] <Jet2k5> are you installing right now?
[02:48] <amu> apollo2011: resize NTFS during installation isnt supported yet, you need a livecd like knoppix for resize ad than install it
[02:48] <Jet2k5> amu: btw it says that the kde packages are not authenticated
[02:48] <apollo2011> amu: ummm no
[02:48] <Jet2k5> I did it on ubuntu
[02:48] <apollo2011> it was added in the latest version
[02:48] <apollo2011> 5.04
[02:48] <apollo2011> says so
[02:48] <amu> that's fine, strong trustfull that source
[02:49] <apollo2011> Feb 24, 2005: Ubuntu 5.04, codenamed "Hoary Hedgehog", added support for non-destructive NTFS resizing during installation using ntfsresize.
[02:49] <amu> apollo2011: who say this? 
[02:49] <apollo2011> the ntfsresize site and the ubuntu wiki
[02:49] <apollo2011> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals
[02:49] <Jet2k5> ntfs is windows partition
[02:49] <Jet2k5> I resized it
[02:49] <apollo2011> search on that page for ntfs
[02:49] <Jet2k5> np
[02:50] <Jet2k5> I have ubuntu hoary and win xp right now installed on thss computer
[02:50] <amu> apollo2011: dont think so ... you can ask in #ubuntu but i think that will not work
[02:51] <apollo2011> Jet2k5: I hit enter with the size highlighted and it just came to a screen saying it was going to perform the operation, and I hadn
[02:51] <apollo2011> entered a size yet...do you enter it after???
[02:52] <pussfeller> whats that little program that pops up simple windows in x
[02:52] <Jet2k5> hmm
[02:52] <Jet2k5> do you have the omputer where you are installing right in front of you right now?
[02:52] <Jet2k5> amu: I got a shitload of errors
[02:52] <transgress> is that more than 12
[02:53] <apollo2011> Jet2k5: no I am in windows on that machine right now
[02:53] <Jet2k5> ok
[02:53] <Jet2k5> when you get to the partitions
[02:53] <Jet2k5> there should be something that says manual partitions
[02:53] <Jet2k5> go in there
[02:53] <Jet2k5> and select the windows partition
[02:54] <Jet2k5> and then when you click on it , it gives you information about it
[02:54] <Jet2k5> there should be something that says size
[02:54] <Jet2k5> like 20.0 GB
[02:54] <apollo2011> yeah
[02:54] <apollo2011> I wnet there
[02:54] <apollo2011> and hit enter with the size highlighted
[02:54] <Jet2k5> ok
[02:54] <apollo2011> and got a message saying it was going to write the data....
[02:54] <Jet2k5> you should hit back space
[02:54] <Jet2k5> and erase it
[02:54] <apollo2011> erase it?
[02:54] <Jet2k5> then put in the size you want
[02:54] <Jet2k5> nvm do what you were doing and hit enter
[02:55] <apollo2011> that won't destruct the partition?
[02:55] <apollo2011> so I hit backspace?
[02:55] <Jet2k5> if you resize it?
[02:55] <Jet2k5> no
[02:55] <Jet2k5> I dunno I'm confused
[02:55] <Jet2k5> lol
[02:55] <amu> Jet2k5: which error's ?
[02:55] <Jet2k5> hmm
[02:55] <Jet2k5> amu: never mind I just did it from console
[02:55] <apollo2011> well did it work for you?
[02:56] <Jet2k5> when I resized my windows partition, yes
[02:56] <Jet2k5> and when you resize it windows sorta does a check on the hard drive for any error
[02:56] <Jet2k5> luckly I got none
[02:56] <apollo2011> so you did it that way and it worked?
[02:56] <Jet2k5> brb time to boot kubuntu
[02:56] <Jet2k5> if It's the same method I did
[02:56] <Jet2k5> yes it should
[03:03] <Jet2k5> not good
[03:04] <Jet2k5> it says that the kde panel has crashed
[03:04] <amu> oh
[03:05] <amu> happens all time or just once?
[03:07] <Jet2k5> sorry I couldn't see anything
[03:07] <Jet2k5> yeah but I can't loggin
[03:07] <Jet2k5> I says to check my installation
[03:08] <othernoob> night :)
[03:09] <Jet2k5> brb
[03:15] <Jet2k5> so now what?
[03:36] <_ron> hey. I've installed a bunch of fonts. They appear in OpenOffice just fine. But in the ControlPanel, under Themes... they do not appear. Is this an xorg thing??? Any ideas?
[03:42] <chx> is there a KDE alternative to realplayer?
[03:42] <_brandonn> Kaffiene I think
[03:43] <Wekkel> he he, Kubuntu left a great impression on me
[03:43] <brandonn> good or bad?
[03:44] <Wekkel> good
[03:44] <Wekkel> USB stick perfectly supported
[03:44] <Wekkel> nice gui
[03:44] <Wekkel> easy installation
[03:44] <Wekkel> What remains is a good alternative to MS office ;)
[03:45] <brandonn> OpenOffice 2.0 is pretty good
[03:45] <crimsun> openoffice, koffice (?)
[03:46] <Wekkel> I work with standard models in Word alot during my work and none of the 'alternatives' deal correctly with such documents
[03:46] <chx> yeah, I bought this nice thin scanner (Canon LiDE 20) , plugged in the USB cable (USB powered scanner), started kooka and began to scan.
[03:46] <Pupeno> How do you choose to enable TCP or UDP ports on firestarter ? actually I opened a port, but I see that the UDP connections on that port are being blocked.
[03:46] <chx> Zero sweat.
[03:46] <Wekkel> numbering is screwed up as well as the layout
[03:47] <Wekkel> perhaps a trick of MS to keep MS frontrow $$$?
[03:48] <brandonn> yeah, you use proprietary formats, that is the consequence
[03:48] <Wekkel> Unfortunately, none of the alternatives is an alternative for me
[03:49] <Wekkel> However, Kubuntu with KDE 3.4 seems like a great improvement to me
[03:49] <brandonn> yeah, I run in to the same problems sometimes, the only option i have at the moment is to run vmware
[03:49] <Wekkel> slick and useable for novice users
[03:49] <Wekkel> vmware is slow under Linux
[03:49] <brandonn> it's usually fine if you have enough memory
[03:50] <Wekkel> and no copy/paste between parent-linux -> guest->xp unlike in xp->xp
[03:50] <Wekkel> with 384 Mb total it should not complain
[03:50] <Wekkel> especially with XP Nlite versions
[03:50] <brandonn> 384 to the virtual machine?
[03:50] <Wekkel> 256
[03:51] <brandonn> and 128 to linux?
[03:51] <Wekkel> perhaps that's the problem :
[03:51] <Wekkel> :X
[03:51] <brandonn> yeah
[03:51] <chx> brandonn: Crossover Office?
[03:52] <chx> brandonn: In my experience most MS shit (maybe not the newest versions, but most) works fine
[03:52] <brandonn> I couldn't get crossover office to work with the apps I need
[03:52] <Wekkel> I couln't get a version of crossover in my hands ;)
[03:52] <brandonn> I just tried the trial version
[03:53] <Wekkel> Word2000 usually should work under wine
[03:53] <brandonn> yeah, Office apps should work fine
[03:53] <Wekkel> but I would just love a free office suit that would really support native MS Office formats
[03:54] <Wekkel> that would really kick MS Office's butt
[03:54] <brandonn> yeah, but that is next to impossible unless they open their formats, if they have to be reverse engineered, we'll never keep up
[03:54] <Brazmetal> hey, why can I call an application prompting a dialog asking the root passwd?
[03:55] <Wekkel> why not?
[03:55] <Wekkel> if you have the password, you may have a go at it
[03:56] <Brazmetal> sorry
[03:56] <Brazmetal> ehehehee
[03:56] <Brazmetal> the question is 'how"
[03:56] <brandonn> open up the menu editor, and look at the ones that are already set up that way, that is how I figured it out
[03:57] <brandonn> seems like it was "login as another user" but don't specify the user
[03:58] <brandonn> or, if you have a root password, just specify root as the other user
[03:59] <Brazmetal> eheheh I don't know why, none of the apps are asking for the root passwd...
[03:59] <Wekkel> hmm, I am able to acces all necessary 'root' actions by entering my normal user password
[03:59] <brandonn> Wekkel: yeah, that is using sudo
[04:00] <Brazmetal> I have sudo installed....
[04:00] <Wekkel> sudo password is the same as the password for the normal user
[04:00] <brandonn> Brazmetal: do you have a root password set?
[04:00] <Brazmetal> sure
[04:01] <brandonn> Brazmetal: I ask because most K/Ubuntu systems don't by default, they use sudo
[04:05] <finn> is there any difference between an install of kubuntu and an install of ubuntu with kde added?  I was thinking in terms of automounting of usb thumb drives etc
[04:05] <Wekkel> I don't know
[04:05] <finn> my gnome desktop adds things i plug in automatically and mounts them, but when i log into kde it doesn't work
[04:06] <Wekkel> Kubuntu has an applet called 'System'
[04:06] <finn> i installed ubuntu and then added kde afterwards
[04:06] <Wekkel> with that applet, you can acces 'storage media' which gives an overview of all media attached to your system (floppy, hda etc including USB stick)
[04:06] <finn> cool, i'll give that a go
[04:07] <brandonn> all it does is open up konqueror with media://
[04:07] <finn> yeah, it seemed to me the hotplug wasn't actually working (i had to manually mount stuff to access it)
[04:07] <finn> well, the modules were being loaded, but the automount wasn't
[04:07] <Wekkel> for me that is ok enough, as long as and actual picture of the USB stick is present ;)
[04:08] <brandonn> well, hotplug just does the modules I think
[04:08] <finn> but with gnome the plugging in activates the mounting and bringing up an icon on the desktop. i was wondering if kubuntu does the same
[04:08] <brandonn> you could probably configure the hotplug scripts to do that, but that is usually more of a userland issue
[04:09] <finn> yeah.  ah well, i'll have more of a play around with it :)
[04:09] <Wekkel> At least 100x better than Debian for which you should insert hocus pocus starup lines in fstab etc....
[04:09] <brandonn> yeah, but that is gnome doing that, not hotplug, kde just handles it a little differently
[04:09] <Wekkel> finn that is not my experience
[04:09] <transgress> yeah i wish i could get kde to mount like gnome does... suppose i could apt gvm
[04:10] <finn> ok.  i guess i've just gotten lazy since i started running ubuntu.  
[04:10] <Wekkel> gvm is sort of automount?
[04:10] <transgress> because gvm is the only way i can figure out to get my ntfs external hdd to mount... otherwise it tosses errors
[04:10] <transgress> gvm is what automounts the shit in gnome
[04:10] <transgress> iirc
[04:11] <brandonn> yeah
[04:11] <Wekkel> my kubuntu machine is linux only, so NTFS is not an issue
[04:11] <transgress> well i've had drive for a while
[04:11] <transgress> and i wanna back up some of the stuff off of it before i make it ext3
[04:12] <brandonn> go to media:// in konqueror, and it should show everything available to mount
[04:12] <Brazmetal> I tried using kdesu, but It doesn't work
[04:12] <Brazmetal> the dialog asking the passwd does not appear, and the app does not run :(
[04:13] <brandonn> Brazmetal: you're not logged in as root are you?
[04:18] <Brazmetal> brandonn, no, i dont
[04:18] <Brazmetal> i'm logged as a normal user.
[04:18] <brandonn> in your system menu, do you see kynaptic?
[04:18] <Brazmetal> no, cause i had uninstalled it ehehhee
[04:19] <brandonn> how about kuser?
[04:19] <Brazmetal> no i use synaptic
[04:19] <Brazmetal> kuser runs without asking passwd
[04:19] <brandonn> hmm
[04:19] <brandonn> do you see a little wallet open in your system tray?
[04:19] <transgress> kuser?
[04:20] <Brazmetal> but some
[04:20] <Brazmetal> some settings in kcontrol
[04:20] <Brazmetal> asks passwd
[04:20] <brandonn> yeah, that won't help much
[04:22] <Brazmetal> wallet?
[04:22] <Brazmetal> i don't
[04:22] <brandonn> hmm
[04:23] <brandonn> well, if you go to the menu editor, and pull up kuser, does it have "run as different user" checked?
[04:27] <Brazmetal> brandonn, there's "kuser %i %m -caption "%c"
[04:28] <brandonn> right, for the command, down below that there should be several boxes,  work path, run in terminal, and run as a different user
[04:29] <Brazmetal> yes
[04:29] <Brazmetal> run as a different user is marked
[04:29] <brandonn> and blank?
[04:30] <Brazmetal> yeah
[04:31] <brandonn> the username: line is blank right?  that is how it uses sudo, if you want it to run as root, or another user, just put the username in there (I think)
[04:39] <Brazmetal> but i just want to know why kdesu doesn't work..
[04:42] <brandonn> havent' really use it myself
[04:45] <Brazmetal> brandonn, what happens if you run "kdesu kuser" there?
[04:45] <brandonn> from the  command line?
[04:46] <brandonn> it asks for my password, then kuser pops up
[04:46] <Brazmetal> It's what do not happen here ... :(
[04:51] <brandonn> what is in your sudoers file?
[04:52] <brandonn> and you're putting in your password, not the root password, right?
[04:54] <Brazmetal> in sudores I put after installing kubuntu
[04:55] <Brazmetal> NOPASSWD=ALL
[04:55] <Brazmetal> in the entry of the normal user
[04:55] <brandonn> ohh, well that is why nothing else asks for a password
[04:56] <Brazmetal> couse if I didnt', every time I run a system app it returns an error
[04:56] <brandonn> mine just has brandonn   ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:56] <brandonn> it asks me for a password, I enter it, and the app comes up
[04:57] <Brazmetal> I have just removed 
[04:58] <Brazmetal> no it has just "me ALL=(ALL) ALL"
[04:58] <Brazmetal> and I can't run any system app
[04:58] <brandonn> and you enter the users password, right?
[04:58] <Brazmetal> no...
[04:59] <Brazmetal> I doesn't ask for
[04:59] <brandonn> with the me ALL... entry, it still doesn't ask?
[04:59] <Brazmetal> yes... it doesn't
[05:00] <Brazmetal> but now a error dialog appers
[05:05] <fallstorm> Has anyone else had problems with upgrading kdelibs because of /usr/share/icons/default.kde in kdenetworkconf?
[05:05] <crimsun> /topic ?
[05:06] <fallstorm> What part of the topic should I look at?
[05:07] <crimsun> the first
[05:07] <crimsun> deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main
[05:08] <crimsun> ^
[05:09] <fallstorm> Ah, ok, thanks
[05:12] <fallstorm> I'm assuming I was to add that to sources.list then update, which I did, but I'm still getting errors
[05:13] <fallstorm> Am I missing a step here?
[05:13] <crimsun> did you upgrade after you updated? ;)
[05:14] <fallstorm> yes :) Would you like me to paste what I'm getting in #flood?
[05:14] <crimsun> sure
[05:19] <fallstorm> Any ideas?
[05:20] <fallstorm> I'm sure it probably didn't help that I did a dist-upgrade before putting the kubuntu.org repository in sources.list
[05:20] <crimsun> I don't know offhand; there was a fix-up shell script
[05:22] <fallstorm> hmm... maybe I'll try force-removing kdelibs and then reinstalling it
[05:27] <fallstorm> Aha... purging knetworkconf and then running apt-get -f dist-upgrade fixed it
[05:27] <fallstorm> Now let's hope I didn't do any permanent damage
[05:55] <spartacus> Hi. I'm a part time Ubuntu user, but my recent focus is on supporting international users (particularly Asian folks). Translation doesn't seem to be a big problem, but the best way of getting multilingual input done seems to be with Scrim under KDE. Anyway, I'm wondering if there's a list of i18n or translation ToDos for Kubuntu and typical user apps? 
[06:29] <neofax> Anyone know how to change the console size?
[06:30] <fallstorm> What do you mean by console size?
[06:33] <neofax> I mean it is set at 800x600 and I want 1024x768
[06:33] <fallstorm> You mean your screen resolution for everything or just console sessions?
[06:34] <neofax> Just console like CTRL+ALT+F1
[06:34] <neofax> My desktop in X is 1024x768
[06:35] <fallstorm> That's a text screen, you can't change its resolution because it doesn't have one, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're asking
[06:35] <neofax> Are you sure, I thought it could be changed using GRUB?
[06:36] <fallstorm> Ah, that jogs my memory...
[06:36] <fallstorm> But I've never done that with GRUB, only LILO, so I don't think I'll be much help there
[07:04] <transgress> how is everyone?
[07:04] <crimsun> just peachy, and yourself?
[07:04] <transgress> i'm great
[07:04] <transgress> got my hair all pretied
[07:05] <transgress> err prettied
[07:05] <transgress> which isn't anymore of a word, but still
[07:10] <grateful> weee
[07:10] <grateful> anybody know a site i can visit to update my netgear eth0 driver
[07:11] <crimsun> you shouldn't need to do that at all
[07:11] <crimsun> the kernel takes care of that
[07:11] <grateful> cause i can't seam to get my netgear to work with any linux o/s i've tried
[07:12] <grateful> none can connect to dhcp
[07:14] <grateful> is there a doc i can read anywhere?
[07:16] <crimsun> (actually I asked you about the lspci -v line several hours ago, but I never got your response)
[07:16] <grateful> oh ya right.. sorry
[07:16] <grateful> kinda ended up leaving when somebody called
[07:16] <grateful> i'll do it now
[07:38] <PaloDeQueso> Does anyone know of a good risk game for linux
[07:38] <PaloDeQueso> ???
[07:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> risk?
[07:51] <PaloDeQueso> Kamping_Kaiser: Like the board game?
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm. know there are some, but not sure what, sorry
[07:57] <rideout> What should I be excited for kubuntu wise in breezy?
[07:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> api breakage
[08:00] <rideout> i mean, after release in a few months
[08:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> new kde iirc
[08:32] <neofax> Anyone using a wireless usb nic?
[08:32] <neofax> I am having problems getting a GigaFast WF741 working
[08:33] <neofax> It supposedly uses a ACX111 chipset.
[08:35] <mousematt> hey
[08:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[08:36] <mousematt> how are you kamping kaiser?
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> not bad. trying to do some reading ;)
[08:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> wonder how long now till frenode goes down.
[08:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> looks like about 10 mins
[08:41] <mousematt> i don't understand
[08:41] <mousematt> why is freenode collapsing?
[08:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> 7 freenode servers are being restarted
[08:42] <mousematt> ohh ok
[08:42] <mousematt> i am trying to convince myself i like kubuntu
[08:43] <mousematt> it is a lot faster than ubuntu
[08:43] <PaloDeQueso> I can't seem to get java to install correctly, I'm doing it the same way I did in debian? is there perhaps mirrors for Kubuntu jre packages?
[08:43] <crimsun> mousematt: that's odd, since they have the same base ;)
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> palo, java is in the repos somewhere.
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> universe perhaps?
[08:44] <mousematt> yes, but kubuntu has a few strange apps installed, and a few others missing
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> i couldent find gnome ;)
[08:45] <PaloDeQueso> hrm, I don't think it is a package? I looked.
[08:45] <PaloDeQueso> And I have universe
[08:45] <mousematt> Palo
[08:45] <mousematt> try java.sun.com
[08:45] <PaloDeQueso> mousematt: yes?
[08:45] <PaloDeQueso> I did
[08:45] <mousematt> and download the binary file
[08:45] <PaloDeQueso> I ran the script.
[08:45] <PaloDeQueso> and itdoesn't work.
[08:45] <mousematt> u added the symlinks?
[08:45] <PaloDeQueso> azureus says it isn't installed.
[08:46] <mousematt> ie. /usr/lib/java
[08:46] <PaloDeQueso> oh
[08:46] <PaloDeQueso> how do you do that?
[08:46] <mousematt> and /usr/lib/java_vm
[08:46] <PaloDeQueso> I didn't know you had to?
[08:46] <mousematt> www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:46] <mousematt> under Java Runtime
[08:46] <PaloDeQueso> Thanks
[08:46] <mousematt> gimme a sec and i will get the exact link
[08:46] <PaloDeQueso> thanks
[08:46] <mousematt> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[08:47] <transgress> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java  use that one
[08:47] <transgress> it's almost idiot proof
[08:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> what do you recon? encode to MPEG or to AVI?
[08:47] <transgress> Kamping_Kaiser: what are you wanting to use it for?
[08:47] <PaloDeQueso> Thanks
[08:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> "the problem with making somthing idiot proof is that someone will make a better idiot"
[08:48] <Liz4rd> OMG
[08:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> dvd backups
[08:48] <Liz4rd> I'm HERE!
[08:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> realy?
[08:48] <Liz4rd> yes
[08:48] <transgress> Kamping_Kaiser: well on the computer i'd do avi... if i'm burning them to another format i wouldn't do avi
[08:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> OMG! so you are
[08:48] <Liz4rd> OMG! isnt it great!
[08:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> LOL ! could be!
[08:49] <transgress> eh it's alright
[08:49] <mousematt> question: how can i make opera the default handler of URLs in all cases?
[08:49] <transgress> i don't know if i would go so far as to say great
[08:49] <transgress> ;)
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> sweet! somthing actualy using SMP! transcoding! :O woot
[08:52] <Liz4rd> w00t!
[08:53] <crimsun> or just get 2 zombie processes
[08:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> i cant get zombie procs :(
[09:03] <transgress> there a way to make amarok not use artsd?
[09:04] <PaloDeQueso> If I added a hard drive and wanted to add it's contents and have those files show up in my home directory, can I just have it mount in fstab to my home directory or will that do something to the files that are already there?
[09:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> there goes freenode  !!!
[09:07] <transgress> PaloDeQueso: that'll mess up what's already there
[09:07] <transgress> PaloDeQueso: google LVM
[09:07] <PaloDeQueso> ok.
[09:07] <transgress> lvm is the only conveniant way to do that
[09:08] <PaloDeQueso> ok, thanks, I'll just keep it moutned to a stuff folder.
[09:10] <NumPy> heh..
[09:10] <_jesse> has anyone here tried Mepis?  Just curious.
[09:11] <transgress> as much as i love my wireless keyboard... i never misplaced my wired keyboard...
[09:12] <transgress> time for the hitchhikers guide... later peoples
[10:52] <kisai1> anyone know how to get a palm m130 to work with kubuntu?
[11:03] <kisai1> anyone know how to get a palm m130 to work with kubuntu?
[11:05] <chx> I have my old emails stored in a mailbox, and I need a mime encoded picture out of it. What's the best way...?
[11:07] <NothingButYou> kisai1: isn't that a PDA ?
[11:08] <NothingButYou> chx: What kind of Mailbox?
[11:08] <chx> NothingButYou: plain unix mailbox
[11:09] <chx> NothingButYou: problem is that it grew a "bit" big 
[11:09] <NothingButYou> well .. 
[11:10] <chx> I have envisioned an unzip like tool, say unmime mailbox filename :)
[11:10] <NothingButYou> if you've got kmail... make a Folder of type mmm.. how was that..
[11:10] <chx> yes I have kmail
[11:11] <chx> but I do not want to load a 1.6gigs mailbox anywhere if possible
[11:11] <chx> ah got an idea
[11:11] <NothingButYou> hmm... well I don't know another way :\
[11:11] <NothingButYou> :)
[11:12] <NothingButYou> My only idea was to load the mailbox in kmail :)
[11:23] <chx> solution was, load it into editpad lite, 'cos that one does not want to load the whole file
[11:23] <chx> copy the raw base64 stream into a file
[11:23] <chx> and base64-decode it from mime-codecs
[11:24] <NothingButYou> hehe that's too hardcore for me :)))
[11:47] <iRonY> can anyone help? when upgrading the base installation, i get this error: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[11:50] <MichaelDiederich> i just added  deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main 
[11:50] <MichaelDiederich> and done the upgrade twice
[11:50] <MichaelDiederich> now it works
[11:50] <MichaelDiederich> dunno why
[11:55] <shogo> what provides this depot ?
[11:56] <shogo> there are packages that are not in ubuntu package repositories ?
[11:58] <buz> quite a few
[11:58] <buz> they wont necessarily work tho
[12:01] <iRonY> if i want to permanently export an environment variable i must insert them into the profile file?
[12:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> does this look like it has all the sources in it? http://www.users.on.net/~goetz/sourceslists/Ubuntu%20Sources%20list%20pointing%20at%20Ubuntu.
[12:12] <shogo> what is the *-staging stuff ?
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont know, its part of the backports repos
[12:14] <amu> Kamping_Kaiser: remove them ( backports repos ) 
[12:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> k. whats in them?
[12:15] <amu> Kamping_Kaiser: they have no relationship with Ubuntu/kubuntu 
[12:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> mm. 
[12:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> where would i find whats in them?
[12:17] <GNAMM> is there a KUBUNTUGUIDE?
[12:17] <GNAMM> :P
[12:18] <amu> i'm afraid, if install every source from the net, and you expect your system works fine :)
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont have them in my list, but i still want to know hwat they are :D
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> is there a command to check whats using the swap file?
[12:21] <amu> .... pint your browser to: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/
[12:21] <amu> s/pint/point
[12:26] <buz> if anyone wants recent oo2 debs: ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/SRC680_m100/OOo_SRC680_m100_en-US_native_LinuxIntel_install_deb.tar.gz
[12:26] <buz> they work beautifully on my system
[12:27] <buz> only saving is dog slow
[12:28] <amu> buz: diff & orig.tar.gz isnt there :)
[12:28] <buz> i suppose it's alienized deb
[12:29] <buz> building OO2 is a pain
[12:29] <buz> but it does work
[12:29] <amu> builded against xorg or xfree ? 
[12:29] <buz> does that matter?
[12:29] <amu> :) 
[12:29] <buz> i mean it works under hoary so i'm content with it
[12:29] <buz> and oo2 sure beats the crap out of oo1
[12:32] <buz> except for well the buggy 79 release in the repos
[12:32] <amu> buz: i'll see if you still installs *.debs from somewhere, if the postinstalls of the package sends your gpg-keys, ssh-key and your mails over the net :) 
[12:33] <buz> my pgp keys arent even on my box
[12:33] <buz> and i dont use rsa auth for ssh
[12:33] <buz> as for my mails, well shit happens
[12:33] <amu> buz: would you like see who it's easy i break into your sys, if you install a customized deb ?
[12:34] <buz> i know
[12:34] <buz> it's just as easy with a signed one though
[12:35] <buz> and who knows if the oo2 code doesnt containt backdoors from being with
[12:35] <buz> you can always get MORE paranoid you know :)
[12:36] <amu> buz: sure, there's no limit, but i can reduce the possibility if i just install ubuntu.deb's 
[12:37] <buz> true
[12:37] <buz> but i'm not that paranoid
[12:37] <buz> besides i'll probably rebuild this box quite soon anyhow
[12:37] <buz> as for right now, i need to get my homework done
[12:37] <buz> and thats easier in a newer oo2 version hehe
[12:39] <amu> the other thing is, it helps your at the moment, you got a probably better version of oo2, who cares about security fixes? probably thoundends of other users has the same problem with openoffice like you, it may be better if you report a bug to bugzilla and the maintainer fix it for all people   
[12:40] <buz> i think someone did that
[12:40] <buz> iirc the response was there will be an update when the final come
[12:40] <buz> comes
[12:43] <amu> and meanwhile you install it from there, which probably makes your sys not anymore upgradable, or other apps crashes
[12:48] <buz> mhh it gets installed to opt
[12:48] <buz> so  doesn't interfere with the rest of the system
[12:48] <buz> and for the truly paranoid, setup Xen and run untrusted software in it :)
[12:51] <buz> mhh i was meaning to try Xen anyhow
[12:51] <buz> but currently, i lack the ram for it
[12:53] <amu> no prob, that's your system, you must reinstall it, not me ;)
[12:57] <buz> yeah
[12:57] <amu> heard about Xen, does it support smp?
[01:08] <buz> dunno
[01:08] <kisain> anyone know if konserve can backup over a network to a windows machene?
[01:11] <Riddell> kisain: should be able to, just make the backup URL  smb://windowsbox/share
[01:11] <iRonY> stupid question, but how to switch consoles in kubuntu/debian? :)
[01:14] <amu> alt-F1 alt-F2 .... 
[01:15] <spektr> if you're in X then it's ctrl-alt-Fx
[01:16] <kisain> k thanx
[01:17] <kisain> anyone know how to install software raid on a "dual boot" system after install?
[01:18] <buz> software raid as in promise or highpoint controllers?
[01:18] <iRonYk> its not working! dunno why! cannot change consoles
[01:19] <kisain> um the diffrence would be?
[01:19] <buz> are your F keys active
[01:19] <buz> well to what are your hds connected
[01:19] <iRonYk> yeah, Alt+F1 opens the menu
[01:19] <buz> you cant switch consoles in X
[01:19] <iRonYk> but you should b able to switch out of X, right?
[01:19] <buz> except with crt alt f1
[01:19] <iRonYk> thats what ive been doing in any other distro
[01:19] <buz> yeah that you can do with crt alt fX
[01:20] <iRonYk> i thought so, but its NOT working here
[01:20] <buz> works for me
[01:20] <iRonYk> mmm, ok
[01:20] <iRonYk> i dont get this
[01:21] <kisain> all i know is i just want to set up software raid 1 on an ubuntu/xp box
[01:21] <kisain> if i have to i will dump the xp :)
[01:21] <buz> some more data about your hardware would help
[01:21] <buz> i don't think you can do pure software raid1 with dual boot
[01:22] <kisain> thats why i said getting rid of xp woulden't be an isshue
[01:22] <buz> many ways to do software raid 1 on linux
[01:22] <kisain> and the easyest would be?
[01:22] <buz> dunno
[01:22] <kisain> ok how about this.....
[01:23] <buz> lvm is probably the gold standard
[01:23] <kisain> i back up my system and reinstall ubuntu using advanced setup to do the raid 1 
[01:23] <kisain> and then restore the backup i made 
[01:23] <buz> i think you can do it while the system is up
[01:23] <kisain> and whats lvm?
[01:23] <buz> reinstalling is easier though
[01:23] <buz> google for it
[01:24] <kisain> kk
[01:24] <kisain> um just a thought will the linux backup work if i redo the install from scratch?
[01:25] <kisain> can i revert to the backup and still be safe?
[01:25] <buz> it should
[01:25] <buz> i usually just backup my homedir
[01:25] <kisain> even with the change to raid 1 and no dual boot just straight linux?
[01:26] <buz> dunno
[01:26] <buz> it should
[01:26] <kisain> hmmm
[01:26] <buz> what hardware have you got
[01:26] <kisain> like what you mean hd vid card what?
[01:27] <buz> mainboard mainly
[01:27] <kisain> it's an ibm netvista machene type 2254
[01:27] <kisain> as for the mobo i dont know
[01:28] <kisain> the onboard vid has been disabled in bios(only option) a nvidia vanta raplaces it
[01:28] <kisain> pci card
[01:28] <buz> ah so its an old machnine
[01:28] <kisain> older as in 2000 yes
[01:28] <buz> mhh no hardware raid then
[01:28] <kisain> nope
[01:28] <buz> as i said, look into lvm
[01:28] <kisain> kk
[01:28] <buz> that should work even without reinstall
[01:29] <kisain> really nice
[01:29] <kisain> you guys make learning linux so much easyer thanx ^_^
[01:30] <iRonYk> this distro is incredible, my apt database is locked, any idea what to do?
[01:30] <iRonYk> i am not running any other instances of apt-get
[01:31] <kisain> is it safe to use synaptic instead of kyn in kubuntu?
[01:31] <KaiL> ask ps aux, if there's any dpkg running
[01:31] <KaiL> kisain: both is only an apt-get frontend.
[01:32] <kisain> ok
[01:32] <kisain> acording to syn i have a bunch of things called lvm
[01:32] <kisain> or do i need something else
[01:32] <iRonYk> it seems it isnt, im on a freshly booted system
[01:33] <iRonYk> no dkpg running
[01:35] <iRonYk> resolved, thanx for effort
[01:37] <spektr> KaiL: Both apt-get and synaptic are frontends for apt. I doubt that synaptic is using apt-get. I think it's using apt directly.
[01:39] <kisain> *starts thinking it would be easyer to just reinstall*
[01:42] <kisain> :(9
[01:50] <kisain> so um how do i use konserve to backup across the network
[01:52] <kisain> and how do i backup the file that tells my box what installs it can get
[01:52] <kisain> you know the settings in synaptic
[01:53] <kisain> everything else i can fix later
[02:02] <isam> is there a plan to update kdenetwork to fix the kopete issue ?
[02:03] <Riddell> isam: see /topic
[02:03] <Riddell> acutally it's already in hoary-updates in ubuntu
[02:04] <Riddell> kisain: dpkg --get-selections
[02:43] <ubuntu> hi
[02:43] <Shadow_aok> could someone help me with kubuntu on an usb disk plz ? (french or english)
[02:57] <Riddell> Shadow_aok: what's the question?
[02:58] <Shadow_aok> i've install kubuntu amd 64 on my external usb drive
[02:58] <Shadow_aok> when i run it
[02:58] <Shadow_aok> i've got an error
[02:59] <Shadow_aok> looks like usb daemon are not launched at boot
[02:59] <AMIGrAve> How can I define different "File-type" associations for different view profiles in konqueror? Example : I want that *.jpg files open in external viewer in filemanagement view profile, but I want that *.jpg files be opened in the konqueror window (khtml) in the webbrowsing profile
[03:00] <Shadow_aok> i've putted grub into the mbr
[03:00] <kisain> can anyone tell e how to setup ubuntu with raid 1 using fresh install
[03:01] <Shadow_aok> i think i must create another initrd file to include the usb driver but the mkinitrd command doesn't like the --preload parameter
[03:01] <Shadow_aok> (never used debian or debian-based linux)
[03:02] <kisain> someone said expert mode but i'm afraid that it's a little to complex for me
[03:06] <spiral> hmmm, why isn't the amarok package in kubuntu localised as the debian one is ?
[03:06] <kisain> anyone have any ideas?
[03:13] <kisain> can anyone tell e how to setup ubuntu with raid 1 using fresh install
[03:14] <spiral> any idea about my amaroK question ?
[03:15] <kisain> dude i would love to helpya but honistly i'm just as new here as you are
[03:15] <kisain> i just started tinkering with linux 4 weeks ago lol
[03:16] <spiral> kisain: ;-)
[03:17] <kisain> lol
[03:17] <kisain> i just found out about software raid 1 and am trying to install it with ubuntu
[03:18] <kisain> only problem is i don't know where to begin lol
[03:18] <kisain> bob2 keeps tellin me it's not worth it lol
[03:18] <kisain> so i left the ubuntu channel to try here
[03:21] <kisain> spiral you new to ubuntu and linux?
[03:21] <spiral> Could anyone please tell me who I should ask about amaroK ?
[03:21] <kisain> um i would try the #ubuntu channel
[03:21] <kisain> i really would love to help ya man
[03:21] <kisain> i just don't know enough yet
[03:22] <kisain> and might end up buggering up your box
[03:22] <spiral> kisain: not really... I 've been using linux for six years now...
[03:22] <spiral> and ubuntu since warty
[03:23] <kisain> wow nice
[03:23] <kisain> know anything about software raid 1 then? lol
[03:24] <kisain> i'm trying to do a fresh ubuntu install with it in expert mode lol
[03:24] <kisain> not very easy to do for a newb
[03:24] <spiral> kisain: never used software raid, sorry... But you might find tutos on the web... Google might help you
[03:24] <Shadow_aok> ++
[03:25] <kisain> yea the tutos are very confusing lol
[03:25] <kisain> so confusing that they gave me a headache lol
[03:25] <spiral> kisain: have you got a link I could try to explain to you ?
[03:27] <kisain> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingToRAID1
[03:27] <kisain> but some one said to use expert mode
[03:28] <kisain> it makes the install very complex
[03:28] <kisain> there are some hints in the forums but i don't know enough to know what info pertains to me :(
[03:28] <spiral> kisain: your tutorial is for warty... an old version of ubuntu
[03:29] <kisain> oh
[03:29] <kisain> i'm using horey
[03:30] <kisain> it tells me there is no linux RAID autuo detect partitions
[03:30] <kisain> is there one for horey?
[03:30] <spiral> kisain: I don't know, never used software RAID... sorry
[03:30] <kisain> damnit lol
[03:49] <kisain> has anyone here used software raid?
[03:52] <Shadow_aok> re
[03:52] <Shadow_aok> someone tried to install kubuntu on a usb drive ?
[04:20] <kisain> hey transgress can you help me with somethng?
[04:25] <kisain> you there dude?
[05:06] <kisain> i got an error  /dev/md0: no sutch file or dir
[05:06] <kisain> anyone know this?
[05:09] <transgress> looks like that is looking for a raid device
[05:09] <transgress> so yeah that's probably bad
[05:09] <kisain> ouch
[05:16] <ubuntu> well, u should not worry about it if u don't have any raid device and your system run smooth!
[05:16] <ubuntu> :-)
[05:18] <kisain> well the install is still going which is weard lol
[05:18] <kisain> i'm curious to see what happens when it completes
[05:19] <apollo2011> I am trying to get the dial up working on my laptop, which I installed kubuntu on last night.  I tried using /dev/modem, but it can't connect to the modem.  I don't know what else I can try for the modem, being it is an internal PCI modem...
[05:19] <apollo2011> I also have an internal a/b/g Broadcom Wi-Fi Card, I can't get KWifiManager to use it...
[05:21] <apollo2011> cann someone plz help me?
[05:23] <kisain> ok well it booted
[05:23] <kisain> but i'm curious how to tell if it's using raid 1?
[05:23] <ubuntu> kisain it is normal, during install it check for your hardware
[05:24] <ubuntu> when hardware is not available, it fail
[05:24] <ubuntu> obviously it fail for that hardware
[05:24] <ubuntu> if u want linux software raid u need at least two partitions and fdisk them aprropriately
[05:24] <apollo2011> Also, when I mounted my ntfs WinXP Partition, it was locked...I don't know how to mount it without the folder being locked in Konqueror.  I hate the fact that kubuntu has done away with the root acount, even the software running on Kubuntu still almost requires a root account...
[05:24] <kisain> can you help me do it right then lol
[05:25] <kisain> i've tryed 10 times and still have problems
[05:25] <buz> apollo2011: run sudo passwd
[05:25] <kisain> you can pm me if need be
[05:25] <buz> and be done with the lack of root account
[05:25] <apollo2011> buz: I know how to do without it, but yo cann't even run Konqueror as root...
[05:25] <kisain> i've only been using linux for about a month now and still have a very limited idea of what to do
[05:25] <buz> sure you can
[05:25] <ubuntu> apollo2001, for safety reasons, XP partitions under linux kernels are read only
[05:26] <buz> kdesu konqueror
[05:26] <apollo2011> buz: I ran a konsole window as sudo su, then entered konqueror, and it said it couldn't connect to x server
[05:26] <buz> well that is pretty normal
[05:26] <apollo2011> so kdesu... will work?
[05:26] <buz> that happens on every unix i know
[05:26] <buz> yeah
[05:26] <apollo2011> OK
[05:26] <buz> but you need to run it as your user
[05:27] <apollo2011> ???
[05:28] <buz> i mean you cant run kdesu if you're already root
[05:29] <apollo2011> oh yeah
[05:30] <kisain> ubuntu do you think you can help me install a fresh copy of "ubuntu" using raid 1?
[05:30] <apollo2011> My main problem now is getting an internet connection, at home I have dsl but right now I need a dialup connection and I can't get my modem to work.  How can I figure out the /dev name if it is internal and isn't /dev/mdoem.  I tried that and it didn't work, couldn't connect to modem  The Ubuntu how to doesn't tell you exactly how to do it if its internal and isn't /dev/modem
[05:30] <kisain> wow typing that is just as weard as saying it :/
[05:30] <ubuntu> kisain I don't have the time, just check Linux software RAID HOWTO
[05:31] <kisain> ok
[05:32] <apollo2011> Does anyone know how to use a modem in Kubuntu?
[05:33] <ubuntu> apollo2011 check for a line like this in your lspci under root. Then u do have to load the appropriate driver
[05:33] <apollo2011> where do I get the driver? off the internet?
[05:33] <ubuntu> it depend!
[05:33] <apollo2011> ok
[05:33] <kisain> whats the command to sync disks?
[05:33] <ubuntu> usually ubuntu kernel do have everything u need it
[05:34] <apollo2011> ok, I think I just need to get a port that works, unless it is indeed /dev/modem and just needs a driver...
[05:34] <apollo2011> whats the lpsci?
[05:35] <ubuntu> u do have to link your /dev/(phisycal modem device) to /dev/modem
[05:35] <ubuntu> ops
[05:35] <ubuntu> lspci
[05:35] <apollo2011> ...
[05:35] <ubuntu> it show all the devices in your system
[05:35] <apollo2011> how do I get to it?
[05:35] <ubuntu> pci devices
[05:35] <apollo2011> yeah...
[05:35] <ubuntu> "/sbin/lspci as root"
[05:35] <ubuntu> obviously if your modem is internal
[05:36] <apollo2011> I looked in KInfoCenter, but it didn't give an address to the device
[05:36] <apollo2011> yes it is
[05:36] <ubuntu> maybe it is so new kernel do not have drivers
[05:36] <apollo2011> ok well I will have to go look at this stuff...Once I can get a net connection, I don;t have to boot into Windows to find out info on Kubuntu problems
[05:36] <ubuntu> especially if it is a winmodem
[05:43] <principito> Hello, I downloaded the kubuntu install cd, I wonder if I can mount the iso somewhere and install it from a hard disk partition. Can anybody help me?
[05:47] <buz> there's an explanation somewhere in either the wiki or ubuntuforums
[05:47] <buz> cant remember where 
[05:47] <buz> but it surely is easier to install from cd
[05:49] <principito> Ok, thanks, I'll search and see how hard it is. 
[05:54] <apollo2011> KUBUNTU IS A PIECE OF SHIT
[05:55] <smouche> why, apollo2011, did it break your caps lock key?
[05:59] <principito> Ok, I'll burn a CD. :-D
[05:59] <smouche> I think I need a better irssi theme; I always miss the exits.
[06:09] <kisain> i'm setting up ubuntu to use software raid 1 and at this point in configureing it it's asking me to input the number of spare devices for the raid 1 arry the devault is 0 (zero) is this right?
[06:14] <Kleggas> will I get major problems if I switch out libc6 to debian version? its somewhat newer than current ubuntu libc6
[06:20] <brandonn> can anyone recommend an Access-like program fro K/Ubuntu?
[06:21] <Kleggas> brandonn: www.kde-apps.org under Office/Database
[06:22] <brandonn> cool, thanks
[06:45] <fallstorm> I seem to have lost kubuntu's theme last night... when I booted this morning KPersonalizer came up and asked me the usual questions, but I've lost all the kubuntu specific things. Can anyone help me get them back?
[06:58] <xxenon> is there a problem with fonts on flash applications (in firefox)
[07:00] <fallstorm> Well... Flash files embed the fonts they need in the file
[07:00] <fallstorm> So it should look the same no matter what platform you're using
[07:01] <xxenon> they don't
[07:02] <fallstorm> Does it look different in a text entry box within the flash movie by any chance?
[07:03] <xxenon> text entry
[07:03] <fallstorm> hmm... I'm not sure if flash touches local fonts at all regardless. What flash player package did you install?
[07:04] <principito> Hey, I want to install mozilla-firefox and I get a non authenticated packets error, does anybody know what it means?
[07:05] <principito> I'm using apt-get.
[07:05] <kisain> HOLY SHIT I DID IT ^_^
[07:06] <uniq> teamspeak? 
[07:07] <kisain> no set up ubuntu with software raid 1
[07:07] <kisain> and i got teamspeak to work so yea lol
[07:08] <kisain> but i have a small sync isshue as in there not anyone help?
[07:11] <Pupeno> I'm doing spam filtering with bogofilter, but it's not filtering anything really. Maybe it's because I'm starting from an empty database (don't they ship a generic original database) ? and I have to do some exausting training ? (before reinstalling, bogofilter was filtering nice).
[07:12] <pv_> Yes, you have to train the bogofilter yourself, or recover your previous database from backups.
[07:18] <Pupeno> pv_: I am training it, but should I do exaustive training on it ?
[07:20] <Pupeno> Even after marking a mail as spam, applying the filters doesn't move it to the spam folder.
[07:26] <deadly_omen> salut
[07:26] <deadly_omen> il y a des francais .
[07:27] <deadly_omen> ok byr
[07:28] <deadly_omen> bye
[07:30] <kisain> it says raid arry is not clean srating background reconstruction(whats this mean?
[07:32] <coreymon77> hi
[07:32] <coreymon77> i have a big problem here
[07:33] <coreymon77> can somebody help me out
[07:34] <Rash> Hey guys, Kubuntu's BT tracker is refusing my connection. Could someone please help me? (My BT port is opened)
[07:35] <coreymon77> i have a boot problem
[07:35] <Rash> ah yes, AMD64 DVD iso tracker
[07:36] <coreymon77> hello?
[07:37] <coreymon77> is anyone here?
[07:37] <Pupeno> coreymon77: just ask your question and wait.
[07:37] <coreymon77> okay
[07:37] <Pupeno> ... for someone to answer.
[07:38] <coreymon77> i have a dual boot system (kubuntu/windows)
[07:38] <coreymon77> i restarted my computern because i wanted to go into windows for something
[07:38] <coreymon77> once i restart
[07:39] <coreymon77> i get the grub loading thing which is usually there for a sec or 2
[07:39] <coreymon77> instead it stays there and eventually give me "error 17"
[07:40] <Pupeno> coreymon77: for that problem, you can also ask on #ubuntu.
[07:40] <coreymon77> i try another boot loader which allows me to load windows but when i try to load linux it says "sector boot not found or invalid/corrupt"
[07:40] <coreymon77> should i ask there
[07:43] <Archimedes> hey everyone
[07:44] <Archimedes> I installed Ubuntu but fell in love with KDE.. I installed KDE and now use it as my WM
[07:44] <Archimedes> but I feel like gnome lingers like a ghost on my machine
[07:44] <Archimedes> Is there anything I should do?
[07:46] <vicks> how do i set my konversation to autoidentify when i logon?
[07:47] <Pupeno> coreymon77: I really don't recomend you to use another bootloader, you should be just fine with grub. It should be a matter of configuration. I can't know since I haven't boot a non-Linux operating system in years (well, I boot hurd in a bosch image, but that's irrelevant).
[07:47] <Pupeno> Archimedes: exorcism ?
[07:48] <Pupeno> vicks: I've just set the on-log-in command (on the server configuration dialog) to run the /msg nickserv command.
[07:48] <Archimedes> well, is there any reason it seems like every app I install looks like gnome?
[07:48] <Archimedes> are they just simply gnome apps?
[07:49] <Pupeno> Archimedes: I don't know, what apps ?
[07:49] <Archimedes> "Helix Player" is a good example I guess
[07:49] <Archimedes> its an open source Real Player
[07:49] <vicks> ah, thanks Pupeno. gonna try it
[07:50] <Archimedes> that I installed through both synaptic and kpackage, but it looks like gnome in both
[07:50] <Archimedes> is it just the ubuntu repositories default to gnome compiles or something?  (stop me if Im BSing)
[07:50] <Pupeno> Archimedes: nah, there's no such a thing as gnome compilers.
[07:51] <Pupeno> Archimedes: an application is either gnome or kde (or something else) and nobody can easily change that.
[07:51] <Archimedes> well I mean, if I were running a purely KDE-centric distro, I doubt these apps would still look like gnome.. would they?
[07:51] <Pupeno> Archimedes: what can be done is put themes, styles, etc that make gnome applications look like kde (or viceversa). But I was asking, what applications did you install that look like gnome ?
[07:51] <Pupeno> Archimedes: yes, they would.
[07:52] <Archimedes> wow
[07:52] <Archimedes> so when someone writes a GUI for linux, they have to write it for a specific WM?
[07:52] <Pupeno> Gimp is a gtk/gnome application everywhere, in kde, gnome, or even windows.
[07:52] <Pupeno> Archimedes: no. you don't write an application for a WM.
[07:52] <Archimedes> gimp is a good example
[07:52] <Archimedes> gimp definitely looks like gnome
[07:53] <Pupeno> Archimedes: you write an application using one library to do the GUI part.
[07:53] <buz> that's because gtk stems from gimp
[07:53] <Pupeno> Archimedes: the library can be gtk, qt, kde, etc.
[07:53] <Archimedes> so are there KDE versions of some of these apps then?
[07:53] <Pupeno> Archimedes: those libraries have different look and feel. Gnome uses gtk, so Gnome has gtk look and feel (same as gtk) and kde uses qt/kde, which gaves it qt/kde look and feel, same as konqueror or kontact.
[07:54] <Pupeno> Archimedes: no. There's no easy way to make that so nobody is atively making, there were some tries in the past, but they failed (like kimp).
[07:54] <vicks> why, does so many of the large (widespread)  apps use gtk? (gimp (thats natural maybe...), firefox, synaptic)
[07:54] <Pupeno> vicks: firefox doesn't use gtk.
[07:54] <Archimedes> so I guess the best we can do is theme up GTK to look more like qt/kde?
[07:55] <Pupeno> vicks: and the question should be asked to each developer "Why did you chose gtk instead of qt ?" and you'll get very different answers for each one.
[07:55] <Pupeno> Archimedes: yes, search in (ks)ynaptic for gtk2 engine qt. That's what makes GTK applications like more qt/kde.
[07:55] <Pupeno> Archimedes: but still, they'll be different.
[07:55] <Archimedes> cool, thanks
[07:55] <Archimedes> is there a way to theme gnome from KDE?
[07:56] <vicks> Pupeno: ah, sorry (xul isn't it). but isn't it developed towards gnome? and yes, i understand that different devel. has different arguments. i was just wondering if there was some sort of consensus, like "qt sux0rs for heavy apps"
[07:57] <Pupeno> vicks: some people choose gtk+ because it is more free (LGPL instead of GPL, like Qt). some people choose gtk+ because they only know C, and not C++, which is what Qt uses. Some people is against C++, so they chose gtk+ because is c. Some people just like gtk+ better, like the reverse happens. And so on.
[07:57] <vicks> Pupeno: ok, thanks for that =)
[07:57] <Pupeno> vicks: there's no consensus here... and KDE is a heavy application (konqueror, kontact, etc) all done in Qt. And if you look at the Trolltech web site, look for companies using Qt and they are building big heavy applications.
[07:58] <Pupeno> Archimedes: I don't understand your question, what do you want to do ?
[07:59] <Archimedes> can I access a gnome equivalent to KDE's "Control Center" from KDE?
[07:59] <Archimedes> so I can change the appearance of gtk windows?
[07:59] <Pupeno> vicks: well, since most qt/kde developers prefeer konqueror, it is natural that most firefox developers are not qt/kde developers, so, it's likely that they are using Gnome instead of KDE, which makes firefox development biased towards gnome (without counting that Gnome's browser uses Gecko, Firefox's engine, so there might be some core Gnome developers working on Firefox).
[07:59] <Pupeno> vicks: there surely is some core windows guys on firefox, and if you think about, it looks a lot like windoze.
[08:00] <Pupeno> Archimedes: I do not know, I do not even know if gnome has a control center. If there is, you can run it no matter what desktop/wm you are running. BUT 
[08:01] <vicks> Pupeno: yeah. the k-gecko projekt is very interesting. i hope they will succeed. gecko in konq would rock, firefox is so damn slow
[08:01] <Pupeno> I was told that gtk2-engines-gtk-qt provides a KDE Control Center panel for configuring how gtk/gnome applications look like.
[08:01] <vicks> if firefox would be ported to kde, would that increse firefox-speed (tab-switching etc.)?
[08:02] <Archimedes> oo thatd be nice
[08:02] <Pupeno> vicks: what makes you think that gecko on konqueror would be faster than gecko on firefox ?
[08:02] <Pupeno> vicks: probably, the speed problem is gecko, and not the wrapper arround it.
[08:02] <Pupeno> vicks: Apple choosed konqueror's engine, khtml, because it was cleaner and faster than gecko.
[08:04] <jnoon> how can i get knoda?  do i have to do a source install or are there packages somewhere?
[08:04] <Archimedes> pupeno, thanks for your help
[08:04] <Archimedes> peace
[08:04] <Pupeno> you are welcome... peace for everyone!
[08:05] <vicks> Pupeno: yes. hopefully that will make khtml more of a standard, so web-people will take it into consideration whan developing site. firefox is starting to do this for the mozilla-compitability 
[08:06] <Pupeno> vicks: the solution to standars is... well, standards: It doesn't matter who created the site with what applications or what software you are using to view it, as long as a common standard is respected: http://www.w3.org
[08:07] <Pupeno> vicks: But, most web sites (99%) are done by people who doesn't even know that standard exists or by people who prefeer it to look nice on IE than respect the standards (add to this that IE is among the most standards-breaking browsers).
[08:07] <theD3viL> Why my MIC dont work with arstdsp?
[08:07] <vicks> Pupeno: yeah. the problem often seems to be that web-developers often tend to comply to browsers more than w3c (which they really should comply to)
[08:08] <Pupeno> vicks: what firefox will thankfully do, is make pages more standards just because if you want to make a page look good in firefox, you have to be closer to the standards... and that's good even for kthml.
[08:08] <vicks> which is hard to understand. it seems so much easier to develop according to the w3c, then develop like three different sites
[08:08] <vicks> Pupeno: yeah
[08:09] <Pupeno> vicks: I've seen cases of companies that would shoot to kill if you say 'standard', but they are welcome firefox-ralted sugestions (which end up being, standards).
[08:09] <Pupeno> vicks: from that perspective, even when I prefeer konqueror/kthml, I turn myself into an strong firefox-advocate giving everyone CDs with firefox (and thunderbird).
[08:13] <vicks> how do i make the navigationpanel show up when i start konqueror in "browser-mode"?
[08:14] <Pupeno> vicks: F9
[08:14] <Pupeno> it's on the Windows menu, at the bottom.
[08:14] <vicks> lol that was hard to find. ;) thanks.
[08:14] <_ubuntu> hello all
[08:15] <_ubuntu> running live cd for the the first time
[08:15] <_ubuntu> long time suse user
[08:15] <vicks> greetings
[08:16] <_ubuntu> how can I install on top of suse do you know without loosing my home directory I don<t want to backup
[08:16] <Rash> Time to ask again ;) : Hey guys, Kubuntu's AMD64 DVD BT tracker is refusing my connection. Could someone please help me? (My BT port is opened)
[08:17] <Pupeno> _ubuntu: that's not something easy to do.
[08:17] <_ubuntu> Rash: For some reason I could not use any of the torrents today to download
[08:18] <_ubuntu> Pupeno: Ok what i<ll do is make a temporary part on my hardrvie and copy my data 
[08:19] <Pupeno> _ubuntu: I currently have one partition for my /home and two partitions for /, one holds my current distro, the other holds my old distro and will hold my next distro whenever I want to swithc.
[08:20] <Rash> Humm, interesting _ubuntu. I am having this problem since yesterday.
[08:23] <_ubuntu> Rash: I could not use the trackers today
[08:24] <_ubuntu> Pupeno: If I create a home partion and copy my home directory will unbuntu installer be smart enough to set all the PATHs^
[08:24] <Pupeno> _ubuntu: no, that would be like too smart.
[08:24] <_ubuntu> Pupeno: I just want to find an easy way to install from suse
[08:25] <Pupeno> _ubuntu: at install time, you should pick the partition where / would go, tell it to format, and then pic the other partition and tell it it should be mounted on /home, and do not format.
[08:26] <_ubuntu> Pupeno:  I have lots of data and can<t backup (too lazy) I<m afraid!!
[08:26] <_ubuntu> I<m using live cd and KDE seems faster on kubuntu
[08:27] <Pupeno> _ubuntu: if you are too lazy to back up that data, then that data might not be too important for you (that may change if you loose it)
[08:27] <_ubuntu> Pupeno: Backup 20 G on CDR!
[08:28] <_ubuntu> I have windows machine and running Samba I can backup to, nut the problem is that when copying files back owener ship is not presereved!
[08:28] <Pupeno> _ubuntu: I have about 80GB of data... since backing up on CDR was a no go, I bought another HD for backing up... but if a lighting hits my PC, it may burn both HDs, the back up and the original, so, I have three HDs, one for running (120GB) and two for backups (80GB) that I change 'periodically'.
[08:29] <Pupeno> I'm not rich, I just value my data, my work.
[08:31] <felicitas> moin
[08:32] <_ubuntu> If I make an iso of my home folder will ownership be preserved^
[08:32] <_ubuntu> If I make an iso of my home folder will ownership be preserved?
[08:32] <_ubuntu> Copy to my XP machine than extract
[08:33] <Pupeno> _ubuntu: you can make a tar.gz 'preserving attributes (it's a parameter to tar)', move that to anywhere else, and then, when you unpack it, it'll be as it was.
[08:34] <_ubuntu> PaloDeQueso: tks I<ll try that
[08:34] <_ubuntu> ok I<m logging back to suse
[08:34] <_ubuntu> tks
[08:34] <Pupeno> _ubuntu: note: users and groups are preserved by number, not by username, so if you have now a file being owned by jose:webmasters (1000:433) it'll be owned by
[08:34] <Pupeno> 1000:433 no matter who they are on ubuntu.
[08:35] <_ubuntu> Pupeno: Can I set manually user ID number and groups after creation
[08:36] <Pupeno> _ubuntu: yes, but then you should grep your whole file system for files owned by those users and groups to change them to the new numbers, so, you are better changing the user and groups of the backups accordingly.
[08:38] <Liz4rd> bleh
[08:39] <_ubuntu> Pupeno: This can be a pain if you have 100,'s of users
[08:40] <_ubuntu> Pupeno: Is the pain worth it to move from Suse to Kunbuntu
[08:40] <Pupeno> _ubuntu: yes and now, if you have 100s of users, you probably know how to use the tool 'find' (man find) which lets you run some command an all the files based on it's UID/GID.
[08:41] <Pupeno> _ubuntu: I don't know, for me, yes (I dislike SuSE a lot, it was very painful for me to use it, as a server and as a desktop).
[08:41] <_ubuntu> Pupeno: I was not saying that I had 100<s of users I was just making a hyptohese
[08:42] <_ubuntu> Pupeno: I consider myyself an intermediate user is the move worth it
[08:42] <Pupeno> _ubuntu: even with a few, you may find find useful. I didn't know how to use it for a while, but now that I've learnt how, I use it a lot.
[08:43] <_ubuntu> Pupeno: I<ve been running linux for 6 years now and is my only OS on my main machine
[08:43] <Pupeno> _ubuntu: BTW, you reminded me that I didn't have my backup running since I moved to Kubuntu (a couple of days ago), so, I'm making a back up now, thanks.
[08:43] <Pupeno> _ubuntu: good.
[08:45] <_ubuntu> Pupeno: I<ll go backup now (my priceless family pictures) and try to install today
[08:45] <_ubuntu> see you all
[08:49] <Pupeno> may the source be with you.
[08:56] <buz> somehow my firefox always crashes when i try to use flash
[09:16] <kay> Hello, I think X is broken in Breezy
[09:17] <kay> Anybody know if there is ways to repair available?
[09:17] <KaiL> kay: font patch changed
[09:18] <KaiL> from /usr/lib/X11/fonts to /usr/share/X11/fonts
[09:18] <kay> Kail: well, it does not find X
[09:18] <kay> First, startx is no longer in my path
[09:19] <kay> Second, I had to create a link in /usr/bin named X11 to /usr/X11R6/bin or so to make xinit find X
[09:20] <kay> And then it tells my mouse is not found, likely a missing plugin
[09:20] <kay> I am here on xchat-text only, help is appreciated ...
[09:20] <KaiL> hmm, I haven't tried to restart since the last update
[09:20] <PaloDeQueso> I can't get azureus to start, can someone take a look at the errors http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/emJ4js95.html
[09:21] <PaloDeQueso> ?
[09:21] <KaiL> this sounds like I shouldn't try ;)
[09:21] <kay> Check if startx is in your path, KaiL?
[09:21] <kay> (root path)
[09:21] <KaiL> startx: /usr/X11R6/bin/startx
[09:22] <kay> Oh, and xutils wants xfonts-utils which has no installation candidate
[09:22] <kay> KaiL: That is where it is for me too, yet no longer in my path
[09:22] <kay> 112Kail: Maybe a reboot will loose that path
[09:23] <KaiL> hmm
[09:23] <kay> The /usr/X11R6/lib/xserverrc
[09:24] <KaiL> no more /usr/bin/X11...
[09:24] <kay> file has a reference to X in that location
[09:24] <kay> I think it might become /usr/bin/X if I read that right
[09:24] <osh> I get a failed upgrade. kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite "/usr/share/icons/default.kde" which is also in knetworkconf.
[09:24] <osh> Is that error known?
[09:25] <kay> yeah, i had it too
[09:25] <kay> apt-get remove knetworkconf
[09:25] <KaiL> osh: more than that ;)
[09:25] <kay> then install it, reinstall knetworkconf
[09:25] <KaiL> http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh
[09:26] <KaiL> ...no idea, why the script isn't any more in topic
[09:26] <kay> Man... being without X hurts ...Kail: can you look up which deb has /usr/bin/X11 for me?
[09:26] <osh> Worked like a charm. Annoying error though.
[09:26] <osh> Thanks guys.
[09:26] <KaiL> kay: that doesn't prevent the other problems
[09:26] <kay> Like loosing X?
[09:26] <kay> lol
[09:26] <KaiL> no, but like loosing the panel conf
[09:27] <kay> yeah, i remember i had to redo it once
[09:28] <KaiL> ah,...
[09:28] <osh> what's the search in apt-get? it's not apt-get search...
[09:29] <KaiL> apt-cache search
[09:29] <KaiL> Riddell: why isn't the hoary-updates stuff from topic on default servers?
[09:30] <kay> Well, nobody able to tell me what package should contain /usr/bin/X11/
[09:30] <kay> ?
[09:30] <uniq> kay: xorg-common
[09:31] <[Piratez] > what is kubuntu
[09:31] <transgress> umm how the hell do you lose /usr/bin/X11/?
[09:31] <transgress> [Piratez] : see kubuntu.org
[09:32] <[Piratez] > ah
[09:32] <[Piratez] > i was wondering how come kde wasn't supported; nice
[09:32] <uniq> kail: the updates at kubuntu.org are not considered significant and can't be in the hoary-updates section. it's very strict rules on what can be uploaded to hoary-updates.
[09:32] <kay> thx uniq
[09:33] <PaloDeQueso> I can't get azureus to start, can someone take a look at the errors http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/emJ4js95.html ?
[09:33] <KaiL> uniq: bug 10035 isn't significant?
[09:33] <transgress> does kubuntu.org have it's own repo?
[09:34] <osh> PaloDeQueso: Ports open? DNS works?
[09:34] <KaiL> ...the deletion part
[09:34] <PaloDeQueso> I can surf the web and get on aim and the like if that's what you mean?
[09:35] <PaloDeQueso> osh: How do I check if the correct java ports are open?
[09:36] <shane> what the apt-get command for the kubuntu desktop?
[09:36] <osh> PaloDeQueso: You don't have a firewall or something blocking the torrent-ports? And if you do a nslookup www.playboy.com you get an IP back?
[09:36] <PaloDeQueso> Many of my other friends run torrents.
[09:36] <uniq> kail: I don't know the details of these updates.
[09:37] <uniq> kail: but i consider 10035 a significant problem.. 
[09:37] <PaloDeQueso> osh: I got an ip back yes.
[09:37] <KaiL> uniq: the problem, that kdelibs4 deletes /etc/kderc on update - and so makes the panel unusable for some users, because it's sometimes (duno when) empty after relogin
[09:38] <uniq> kail: understood.
[09:38] <theD3viL> Why my MIC dont work with arstdsp?
[09:38] <osh> PaloDeQueso: And you don't have a firewall or something on your computer?
[09:39] <kay_> back in X
[09:39] <kay_> thanks uniq 
[09:39] <PaloDeQueso> osh: Not that I know of, I'm running the default network config for kubuntu?
[09:39] <protomobile> hello
[09:39] <kay_> I think you should warn about updating X in Breezy in topic Riddell 
[09:39] <PaloDeQueso> osh: And there's none on our router blocking torrents.
[09:39] <KaiL> uniq: but looks as if not even the overwrite-issue is considered important
[09:40] <protomobile> how do you setup ububto 5.0.4 to boot KDE?
[09:40] <Far^Side> hello, I got this errormessage: "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu6_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" on Breezy Badger when trying to do an apt-get upgrade
[09:41] <KaiL> .....:)
[09:41] <osh> PaloDeQueso: I'm new to kubuntu too but from the errors it looks like the sockets won't connect. I don't know much java either though. But the sockets are programs way of talking to eachother.
[09:41] <KaiL> Far^Side: wants to overwrite something with knetworkconf? ;)
[09:41] <PaloDeQueso> hrm
[09:41] <protomobile> how do you setup ubunto 5.0.4 to boot KDE?
[09:41] <uniq> protomobile: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:42] <uniq> protomobile: or install kubuntu-desktop with synaptic.
[09:42] <protomobile> will this setup the system to boot into kde not gnome?
[09:42] <osh> Oh, another annoyance with kubuntu. I can't deinstall kynaptic without deinstalling the whole kubuntu-desktop. :-(
[09:43] <KaiL> osh: the kubuntu-desktop is only a meta package
[09:43] <uniq> osh: kubuntu-desktop won't remove your desktop.. it's a meta-package for installation.
[09:43] <PaloDeQueso> Damn, this sucks
[09:43] <_ali> hello
[09:43] <KaiL> that are packages with ONLY exist to have dependencies
[09:43] <PaloDeQueso> I didn't have this problem with debian
[09:43] <_ali> I've got a very weird problem with Kopete...
[09:44] <Far^Side> KaiL, what do you mean?
[09:44] <osh> KaiL: uniq: I was wrong. Doing it from apt-get worked. No more kynaptic. =)
[09:44] <KaiL> http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug2.sh @ Far^Side  (modified script for breezy..)
[09:44] <_ali> I'm using an MSN account that did work very well until today, but now, when I try to log in, Kopete says my MSN password is false
[09:44] <_ali> I tried to connect from webmessenger.msn.com to my account with the exact same password, and I am able to connect...
[09:45] <_ali> do somebody have an idea ?
[09:45] <timo_> im thinking about kubuntu for my future desktop (using kde/debian for now) and wondering what the archives/package advantages is in (k)ubuntu that debian hasnt
[09:45] <KaiL> there's an updated package somewhere
[09:45] <KaiL> ..where ever :)
[09:45] <_ali> (I didn't precise I'm under Kubuntu, of course)
[09:46] <KaiL> timo_: debian (even sid) is hopeless outdated, kubuntu is made to have a fully working system just after install
[09:47] <timo_> KaiL: is it? i have no problems with outdated software (using sarge) but if you say so i guess you're right, any exampels?
[09:47] <osh> KaiL: I'm just hoping that the patches find their way back to debian.
[09:47] <protomobile> how do you get into the kde destop after install kubuntu-destop?
[09:47] <KaiL> timo_: sarge has KDE3.3.2, kubuntu KDE3.4 (3.4.1 soon)
[09:47] <Far^Side> KaiL, thank you!
[09:48] <KaiL> sarge has XFree86 4.3 (>>1 year old), kubuntu Xorg 6.8.2
[09:48] <osh> protomobile: Log out. Log in again from gdm/kdm and select "session" kde.
[09:48] <uniq> protomobile: you choose it from the session menu in gdm or kdm.
[09:48] <KaiL> or Kernel: 2.6.8 vs. 2.6.10
[09:48] <timo_> KaiL: i have kde 3.3 as far as i know
[09:48] <timo_> and i have compiled my own kernel
[09:48] <KaiL> timo_: and kde3.4 is a VERY big step forward
[09:49] <timo_> but i know what you're after and i agree
[09:49] <timo_> how about other software
[09:49] <timo_> is it as supported as in debian
[09:49] <KaiL> and you don't need to compile the kernel on kubuntu
[09:49] <theD3viL> _ali, go to #kopete and look topic.
[09:49] <KaiL> the team tries to make this unneeded :)
[09:49] <teknoprep> is there a java install for JRE from apt-get
[09:50] <timo_> well my idea is that you have to compile your kernel in any linux dist, thats the sad part
[09:50] <timo_> i use various bsd's and there you dont
[09:50] <KaiL> timo_: why?
[09:50] <teknoprep> anyone
[09:50] <timo_> because of different needs
[09:50] <Far^Side> KaiL, hmm... no I get this error message: "The following packages have unmet dependencies: kcontrol: Depends: kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.0) but it is not going to be installed            Depends: libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.3) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages" after runing the shell script
[09:50] <KaiL> there are modules...
[09:50] <Far^Side> s/no I/now I
[09:50] <timo_> true
[09:51] <osh> PaloDeQueso: How'd you install the java you're using? From java.sun.com or apt-get?
[09:51] <KaiL> Far^Side: that's now normal breezy horror again ;)
[09:51] <timo_> isnt it hard for a common user to load/unload modules and to know what modules you have to load etc?
[09:51] <Far^Side> KaiL, ok :P
[09:51] <KaiL> timo_: hotplug does the job
[09:52] <timo_> i might give kubuntu i try when ive bought all the necessary hardware.. until ill hang around a bit longer to see common issues etc
[09:52] <transgress> what do you mean necessary hardware?
[09:52] <KaiL> timo_: biggest difference between kubuntu and debian is the installation
[09:52] <bobi> Hi
[09:52] <KaiL> on kubuntu you install and then work
[09:52] <transgress> that's not all that big of a difference
[09:53] <timo_> i have a motherboard that is constantly failing etc
[09:53] <transgress> just a few steps cut out with the kubuntu simple installation
[09:53] <KaiL> on debian you install, then configure hardware, then work ;)
[09:53] <transgress> timo_: umm that doesn't sound like a distro specific problem...
[09:53] <theD3viL> is breezy stable or unstable ?
[09:53] <transgress> theD3viL: very unstable
[09:53] <KaiL> theD3viL: very very unstable
[09:53] <theD3viL> ;));
[09:53] <transgress> theD3viL: more unstable than sid has been in like 2 years.
[09:53] <timo_> KaiL: okey but the ionstallation is a one-time-config, and i have no hard time to configure even though it is a waste of time
[09:54] <timo_> transgress: true
[09:54] <KaiL> timo_: but it makes live a lot easier, if you install and you have things like ACPI suspend to RAM or sometimes even special keys on your laptop configured out of the box
[09:54] <theD3viL> i didnt add any extra reprositios so i asking what is stable and what is unstable 
[09:55] <KaiL> theD3viL: hoary = stable, breezy = unstable
[09:55] <transgress> KaiL: i still can't get the ACPI to suspend on my lappy...
[09:55] <theD3viL> extra reprositiors = stable????
[09:55] <transgress> theD3viL: universe and multiverse are
[09:55] <timo_> KaiL: very true
[09:55] <KaiL> transgress: enabled in /etc/default/acpi-support and then tried to run /etc/acpi/sleep.sh ?
[09:56] <transgress> KaiL: no... but i will make a note of it and do so when i start up my lappy in a bit
[09:56] <theD3viL> transgress, can u paste me your sources.list ? :S:S
[09:56] <transgress> theD3viL: why?  
[09:56] <timo_> one thing i dont like with debian is that you have to do it all the debian way, making debian packages out of kernel compiles etc.. how is that on kubuntu?
[09:57] <theD3viL> couse i dont know what to add
[09:57] <KaiL> timo_: well, you don't need on debian 
[09:57] <transgress> well universe and multiverse are on your sources.list but they are commented out
[09:57] <transgress> theD3viL: but i'll paste bin it... just a sec
[09:57] <timo_> KaiL: i dont do it on debian but people tell me that i HAVE to all the time
[09:57] <theD3viL> k
[09:57] <KaiL> on kubuntu if you need to recompile your kernel on kubuntu, something is wrong ;)
[09:58] <timo_> ok
[09:58] <KaiL> why did you need on debian?
[09:59] <transgress> http://pastebin.com/288083 theD3viL 
[09:59] <timo_> i just do it when i reconfigure my hardware and doesn't have the time to make system adjustments, to get control of the system so to speak
[09:59] <Far^Side> what package do I need to install to get rid of this error message: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory?
[09:59] <transgress> i like compiling custom kernels sometimes
[10:00] <KaiL> timo_: we have hotplug for this ;)
[10:00] <KaiL> you won't even see it, if you exchange the nic card for example
[10:02] <theD3viL> tnx transgress 
[10:03] <timo_> ok =)
[10:03] <theD3viL> transgress, but why testing? is testing packages stable??
[10:05] <transgress> testing on wait?
[10:05] <transgress> marillat?
[10:06] <transgress> notice it's commented out... marillat is always in testing... it's for multimedia such as dvd and w32codecs
[10:06] <buz> and not quite legal
[10:06] <transgress> if you don't know how to edit your sources you may not want to edit your sources
[10:06] <buz> but definitely useful
[10:06] <transgress> as if the mp3s on my computer are any more legal buz ;)
[10:06] <theD3viL> i know how... but ... i just ask if it unstable :)
[10:07] <buz> i dont think you really need marillat for those
[10:07] <transgress> marillat will fuck up your system if you leave it on and say... apt-get upgrade
[10:07] <buz> na it doesnt
[10:07] <transgress> buz: not for mp3's...
[10:07] <buz> i just tried it
[10:07] <KaiL> transgress: shouldn't
[10:07] <transgress> it got quite pissy about a couple packages
[10:07] <transgress> which resulted in me having to remove some stuff... and reinstall it w/o marillat...
[10:08] <transgress> mplayer for one...
[10:08] <KaiL> theD3viL: stable/unstable/testing on marillat is only about compatibility, not about recent/not so recent/outdated packages
[10:08] <transgress> heh i don't even have mplayer anymore... don't need it
[10:08] <transgress> but anyways... off to read a book
[10:09] <KaiL> mplayer? never liked is and don't need it any more
[10:09] <osh> Is there a way to see what packages are in development? Like when will firefox be upgraded to a version from this year?
[10:10] <theD3viL> what program you are using for downloading mp3s movies... ?
[10:10] <transgress> osh: firefox is up to date... they just patch it instead of upgrading the version number
[10:10] <transgress> theD3viL: i don't think that is supposed to be discussed in here
[10:10] <transgress> but i use bittorrent
[10:10] <transgress> ;)
[10:11] <theD3viL> :)
[10:11] <theD3viL> kk ;)
[10:11] <theD3viL> oh....
[10:11] <theD3viL> but i dont know which ports bittorrent using :(
[10:11] <osh> transgress: firefox claims to be 1.0.2. How do I patch it?
[10:11] <transgress> osh: you don't... they do it in the repo's
[10:11] <theD3viL> bbl :)
[10:11] <transgress> and it stays the same version number
[10:12] <transgress> forget what that is called... backporting or something?
[10:12] <osh> transgress: But when I go to get extensions it kicks me out asking me to update. :-(
[10:12] <KaiL> osh: firefox 1.0.4 seams to make problems, that's why there's a 1.0.2 with the security patches in hoary
[10:13] <transgress> osh: you can always go grab the binary off of mozilla.org... or go grab the source, compile, then checkinstall it to make a debian package out of it...
[10:13] <transgress> i'm tempted to until they compile it w/o gnome-support... because i don't care for 50 megs of gnome on my system
[10:15] <osh> transgress: I was hoping that things would be in the repos. I switched from gentoo so that I didn't have to do all that crap.. :-)
[10:16] <fallstorm> I installed firefox 1.0.4 using an AutoPackage... works fine for me
[10:16] <osh> But then you'll have to settle for kde3.3 and that's no fun. :-/
[10:16] <osh> It's one or the other it seems.
[10:16] <fallstorm> unfortunately there's no automatic updating with autopackages.
[10:17] <fallstorm> It was either use Kubuntu's packages with gnome fluffage or deal with getting a new .package file every month or so :P
[10:18] <timo_> unable to install firefox addons with older versions than 1.0.4 at the mozilla web
[10:19] <osh> timo_: that's what I noticed too.
[10:21] <bombo_> install 1.0.4
[10:21] <bombo_> from backports
[10:22] <bombo_> or from www.mozilla.com
[10:23] <uniq> or use this workaround: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35943
[10:26] <bombo_> the workariund you only can use if u have upgraded to 104
[10:27] <[A] ndy80> hello
[10:27] <Shejan> hello
[10:27] <uniq> bombo_: the fixes in 1.0.4 have been backported to the firefox in hoary.
[10:27] <[A] ndy80> I've two sound devices. I'd like to make /dev/dsp1 as default. What do I have to change? ALSA settings? or arts settings?
[10:28] <Shejan> somehere with an amd64 venice?
[10:28] <Shejan> someone
[10:28] <uniq> not venice.
[10:29] <Shejan> venice ist terrible... it runs only with 64bit OS
[10:30] <uniq> heh.. ok.. i use my clawhammer or whatever it's called (3700+) with 64bit ubuntu.
[10:30] <Shejan> work the w32codecs with your 64 ubuntu?
[10:30] <uniq> no.
[10:31] <uniq> you'll need a 32bit chroot for that.
[10:31] <Shejan> i did
[10:31] <uniq> i haven't botherd yet.. i don't need w32codecs anyway.
[10:31] <Shejan> but the result was not that what i wished for
[10:31] <Shejan> vmware isnt running too
[10:32] <Shejan> 64bit is terrible... nothing is working
[10:32] <Shejan> and i cant install an 32bit os with an 2.6.10 kernel
[10:32] <Shejan> need 2.6.11....
[10:33] <theD3viL> which torrent client is the best ??
[10:33] <theD3viL> tornado or torrent ?
[10:35] <osh> theD3viL: azurelius (or something) is really good.
[10:35] <theD3viL> k
[10:40] <kisain> anyone know how to create a swap partition after instalation?
[10:40] <kisain> i forgot to create one lol
[10:41] <fallstorm> Did you use your entire drive or did you reserve some space for swap?
[10:41] <kisain> um ok i'm using software raid
[10:41] <kisain> raid 1 to be exact
[10:41] <kisain> and i used the whole drive 
[10:42] <kisain> :P
[10:42] <kisain> can't beleve i diden't create a swap partition
[10:42] <kisain> oy
[10:42] <fallstorm> You'll need to resize your partitions
[10:42] <fallstorm> then you can do mkswap
[10:43] <fallstorm> and then add an entry to /etc/fstab
[10:43] <kisain> this is what i used to create a file http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SwapFaq
[10:44] <kisain> but will your suggestion work if i am using software raid 1?
[10:44] <kisain> i just spent 8 hrs making it work lol i don't want to muck it up lol
[10:44] <fallstorm> I'm not sure, I've never used RAID
[10:44] <kisain> damnit
[10:44] <fallstorm> You might try asking in #ubuntu, it's a little more active right now
[10:44] <kisain> ok
[10:45] <kisain> i'll still be here though
[10:45] <kisain> ^_^
[10:45] <kisain> for kubutnu rocks
[10:52] <theD3viL> why in artsdsp my mic dont work? .. with OSS works, but TeamSpeak dont work with OSS!
[10:53] <kisain> you know teamspeak does the same to alsa too
[10:53] <theD3viL> how?
[10:53] <kisain> i've tryed every codec i could think of in kubuntu and nothing seems to work
[10:53] <kisain> you know i'm not too shure i just know that it likes to hog the sound card
[10:54] <kisain> i'm tryin to figure it out lol
[10:54] <theD3viL> yeah... works...but dont work with mp3s
[10:54] <theD3viL> hm
[10:54] <theD3viL> how to start TeamSpeak with ALSA ?
[10:54] <kisain> on my system all sound cuts out but teamspeak lol
[10:54] <kisain> the way i did it is k-menu>kontrol center
[10:55] <kisain> and go to the multimedia tab on the left
[10:55] <theD3viL> yes..
[10:55] <kisain> where it says sounds & multimidia
[10:55] <kisain> then click on sound system
[10:55] <kisain> and then the hardware tab on the right
[10:56] <kisain> the drop down menu where it says select and configure your audio device
[10:56] <kisain> chose  the advanced linux sound arch
[10:56] <kisain> than i enabled the full duplex but it still hoggs the sound
[10:56] <kisain> it really weard
[10:57] <kisain> if you happen to find the answer could you plz let me know?
[10:57] <theD3viL> k
[10:57] <theD3viL> i found it
[10:57] <theD3viL> type
[10:57] <theD3viL> in console
[10:57] <theD3viL> artsdsp /home/user/TeamSpeakRC2/TeamSpeak
[10:57] <theD3viL> works for me... all but MIC!!!!
[10:57] <theD3viL> :S
[10:58] <kisain> lol
[10:58] <kisain> i know if something else is using sound the mic won't work in ts
[11:00] <kisain> he d3viL you know anything about software raid 1?
[11:01] <theD3viL> no..
[11:01] <theD3viL> what is this?
[11:01] <kisain> damn
[11:01] <kisain> lol
[11:01] <kisain> it having raid without the card
[11:02] <_pvh> Why are the kubuntu updates not hosted on the main repos?
[11:02] <kisain> raid= redundant array of inexspensive disks
[11:02] <theD3viL> aha
[11:03] <Diablo-D3> kisain: which is so ironic
[11:03] <Diablo-D3> especially since people use like enterprise grade uberdrives
[11:03] <Diablo-D3> in a raid 5/6/whatever arrangement
[11:03] <Diablo-D3> with like one or two spares
[11:03] <kisain> yea i'm using raid 1
[11:03] <kisain> raid 5 takes all the ide channels
[11:04] <kisain> i need my cd rom lol
[11:04] <Diablo-D3> who said ide?
[11:04] <Diablo-D3> Im talking scsi320 bizatch.
[11:04] <kisain> DAMN YOU :P
[11:04] <kisain> lol
[11:04] <kisain> i wish i could have that
[11:04] <kisain> but i'd have to buy a card lol
[11:04] <kisain> freakin box is to old
[11:04] <kisain> >.<
[11:05] <Diablo-D3> well, like I said
[11:05] <Diablo-D3> people keep doing this shit
[11:05] <kisain> hey you know anything about software raid d3
[11:05] <kisain> i forgot to create a swap partition lol
[11:06] <kisain> i had to create a file
[11:06] <_sophie> Hi all
[11:06] <uniq> files works :)
[11:06] <Diablo-D3> kisain: er, well
[11:06] <Diablo-D3> kisain: normally you have three drives
[11:06] <kisain> i have 2
[11:06] <Diablo-D3> kisain: a really tiny 20 gig or so for root
[11:06] <kisain> oh
[11:06] <Diablo-D3> well, root and swap
[11:06] <Diablo-D3> and boot
[11:07] <kisain> you know something funnie i made the raid on the whole disks
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> and then some raid software setup to shove /home and whatever else giant on it
[11:07] <kisain> theres 10gb diffrence between the 2 so theres 10gb not bein used
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> then you probably can grab that for swap and root
[11:08] <kisain> yea but how? i was told that with raid all the disks have to be the same size
[11:08] <Diablo-D3> they dont
[11:08] <Diablo-D3> the raid _partitions_ have to be the same size.
[11:08] <Diablo-D3> well, assuming you're talking software raid
[11:08] <Diablo-D3> hardware raid its up to the controller
[11:08] <kisain> i have a 40 gig and a 30 gig raided for a total of 30 gigs it dosen't see the other 10
[11:08] <kisain> i am
[11:08] <kisain> it took me 8hrs to figure it out
[11:09] <Diablo-D3> you are what?
[11:09] <kisain> and i still don't have it completely right (i.e i pull one drive out to test and the other fails)
[11:09] <kisain> i have a 30 gig hard drive and a 40 gig hard drive
[11:09] <Diablo-D3> I mean, are you using sw or hw raid?
[11:09] <kisain> to make them work i had to remove 10 gigs from the 40 to make it 30
[11:10] <kisain> software raid 1
[11:10] <kisain> took me all morning to do it lol
[11:10] <kisain> about 10 tries and numerous resarch lol
[11:10] <Diablo-D3> heh
[11:10] <Diablo-D3> then you can do itfine
[11:10] <Diablo-D3> just... go... jiggle it or something
[11:10] <Diablo-D3> ask in #kernelnewbies on oftc
[11:10] <kisain> roflmao
[11:11] <kisain> hey i have a question for ya
[11:11] <kisain> when i remove one hda the other should think it failed yes?
[11:12] <kisain> and the computer should still boot right?
[11:12] <Diablo-D3> nope
[11:12] <kisain> nope?
[11:12] <Diablo-D3> if your boot drive dies, you're fucked.
[11:12] <kisain> so did i do something wrong?
[11:12] <Diablo-D3> Yes
[11:12] <Diablo-D3> this is why you need a third drive
[11:12] <kisain> oh shit what?
[11:12] <kisain> >.<
[11:12] <Diablo-D3> or a third _something_
[11:13] <_sophie> hello all I,ve just installed kunbuntu migrated from SUSE
[11:13] <_sophie> I've got a question
[11:13] <kisain> really? are you fuckin shitting me i need 3 harddrives?
[11:13] <Diablo-D3> unless you use hardware raid, you cant boot a raid array
[11:13] <kisain> i found a howto that says you can just don't know enough to do ut
[11:13] <_sophie> How the heck do you install firefox
[11:13] <kisain> whats up?
[11:13] <Diablo-D3> kisain: raid1 you _might_ be able to get away with it
[11:13] <Diablo-D3> kisain: but Im seriously doubting it
[11:14] <kisain> it's already installed ^_^
[11:14] <kisain> ok
[11:14] <Diablo-D3> kisain: because you'll have to remount root as the raid1 array
[11:14] <Diablo-D3> kisain: which is a fucking pain in the ass
[11:14] <kisain> damnit
[11:14] <fallstorm> sophie... well, there are a couple of ways
[11:14] <Diablo-D3> kisain: yeah, thats why I try to avoid setups like that
[11:15] <fallstorm> you can install the ubuntu stuff, which means you'll get a lot of gnome libs which you may or may not mind
[11:15] <Diablo-D3> kisain: either use a hardware array setup that I can boot (not all can, no consumer hardware can)
[11:15] <fallstorm> you can download it from mozilla.org and install it that way
[11:15] <_sophie> fallstorm: Using apt-get
[11:15] <fallstorm> yeah
[11:15] <Diablo-D3> kisain: or I have something else I can boot, and have a sw raid setup
[11:15] <fallstorm> apt-get install mozilla-firefox should work, if you decide to go that route
[11:15] <fallstorm> or you could use an autopackage, which will give you the newest version without the gnome libs
[11:15] <kisain> nice i have sw raid so i think i may have messed up damnit
[11:16] <_sophie> fallstorm: using apt-get install firefox not found
[11:16] <_sophie> autopackage?
[11:16] <kisain> i need it so i can boot from either hd if one fails lol
[11:16] <fallstorm> apt-get install mozilla-firefox 
[11:16] <Diablo-D3> kisain: which you cant.
[11:16] <fallstorm> if you wanna know about autopackages, read up on autopackage.org first
[11:16] <kisain> Noooooooo!
[11:16] <fallstorm> but it's the way I did it
[11:16] <Diablo-D3> kisain: theres one way out of that
[11:17] <kisain> redo my box?
[11:17] <Diablo-D3> kisain: first, how do you have raid 1 setup now?
[11:17] <kisain> um how can i get that info for you? whats the command
[11:17] <Diablo-D3> kisain: ... _how_ did you setup raid 1?
[11:17] <_sophie> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:17] <_sophie>   mozilla-firefox: Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0) but it is not installable
[11:17] <_sophie>                    Depends: libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0) but it is not installable
[11:17] <_sophie>                    Depends: libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4) but it is not installable
[11:17] <kisain> um in the ubuntu setup i sorta stumbled through it but it works
[11:17] <_sophie>                    Depends: libgconf2-4 (>= 2.9) but it is not installable
[11:17] <_sophie>                    Depends: libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0) but it is not installable
[11:18] <fallstorm> Sophie: Not a good idea to paste in here :)
[11:18] <_sophie>                    Depends: libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.6.0) but it is not installable
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> kisain: ... garg. I dont know how ubuntu setup does it.
[11:18] <_sophie>                    Depends: libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.8.0) but it is not installable
[11:18] <fallstorm> use #flood or pastebin.org instead
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> kisain: I assume it does the right thing
[11:18] <_sophie>                    Depends: libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.9.90) but it is not installable
[11:18] <_sophie>                    Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0) but it is not installable
[11:18] <_sophie>                    Depends: libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.1) but it is not installable
[11:18] <_sophie> E: Broken packages
[11:18] <_sophie> fallstorm: I'll be back in 10 minutes
[11:18] <kisain> it seems to the computer recognizes it on boot
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> kisain: then what you do is setup partitions exactly the same
[11:18] <kisain> and there both synced
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> kisain: root, swap, whatever else
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> kisain: and ignore the useless 10 gigs
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> and you should be able to boot either
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> afk food
[11:18] <kisain> i did i thought so anyway
[11:19] <kisain> kk
[11:25] <dell500> i'm getting a permission denied error when i try to update the plugins for azureus, i tried running as sudo and it didn't update either
[11:25] <kisain> D3 you back?
[11:34] <kisain> damnit none of my drives will mount
[11:35] <kisain> somehow i goofed hard core with the software raid 1 setup
[11:43] <kay> oh damn
[11:43] <kay> neither kde nor gnome are installable
[11:44] <kisain> d3 you there?
[11:44] <kisain> D3 even
[11:45] <kisain> lol
[11:47] <_sophie> !I need help installing firefox on kubuntu
[11:49] <kisain> kubuntu should already have it
[11:49] <kisain> have you tryed sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox?
[11:52] <_ali> did you just try to see if it was in the K > Internet menu ?
[11:53] <_sophie> kisain: not working
[11:53] <_sophie> _ali: not in the menu
[11:54] <_sophie> kisain: lots of gnome dependency!
[11:56] <[A] ndy80> hi
[11:56] <kisain> did you install ubuntu first?
[11:56] <kisain> or compile from scratch?
[11:56] <_sophie> kisain: installed from latest iso kubuntu
[11:57] <_sophie> kisain: gnome is not installed
[11:57] <kisain> ahh that maybe you problem don't qoute me on it though
[11:57] <kisain> whats the base linux?
[11:57] <_sophie> kisain: kynaptic not working eitheir
[11:58] <kisain> wow thats weard
[11:58] <kisain> O_o
[11:58] <_sophie> kisain: sorry kynptic working but cant install firefox thru kynaptic
[11:59] <kisain> that is weard 
[11:59] <kisain> i wish i could help you more but i really don't know what to do you might want to waite for D3 to get back from lunch
[12:00] <_sophie> ok anyway got to go
[12:00] <kisain> kk
[12:00] <kisain> sorry