[12:02] <_piotr> I believe that macs are just more powerful when it comes to graphics etc [12:02] <_piotr> uniq: I also though about the ibook 12 but maybe its a little bit too small [12:02] serveral powerbooks alu and so on 15" and a ibook 12" [12:03] <_piotr> so you're reach :D [12:03] ? [12:03] <_piotr> rich [12:03] <_piotr> I mean [12:03] <_piotr> :D [12:03] <_piotr> oh dear what happened to my language skills :) [12:04] rich no, i'm a very poor guy, i spend all my money into those apple [12:04] <_piotr> amu: :) [12:04] <_piotr> amu: so tell me.. how are your eyes doing after spending lots of hours in front of a 12' powerbook [12:06] <_ron> hey. How do I install the kernel headers? [12:06] <_piotr> I find it unbelievable that the 17' owerbook is over 100 euro more expansive here in austrian than in germany [12:06] the 12" is good if you're away from home, rocks with 4,5h battery live ... 15" i a medium youcan use it as well at home, better at home is a normal desktop :) [12:07] the 17" is too big for me [12:07] <_piotr> :) [12:07] <_piotr> normal desktop at home is better but im student and dont know how often ill move around within the next years [12:07] <_piotr> change apartments etc [12:08] than take a 14" ibook, the 12" for daily use is too small [12:08] <_piotr> is the ibook fast enough.. [12:09] <_piotr> I mean .. for wathcing movies and running osx and kubuntu etf [12:09] <_piotr> etc [12:09] <_piotr> it has only 256 ram [12:09] <_piotr> 32 mb gfx card [12:10] sure fast enough ... expect you want build a hole kde-tree on it ;) [12:10] <_piotr> :D [12:10] buy extra 1 gig ram and everything is fine [12:10] <_piotr> ok [12:10] <_piotr> where are you from by the way? [12:10] _piotr: your usage is similar to mine. I'm trying to get a 17" notebook, I was interested on an eMachine: something like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=177&item=5193900721 [12:11] <_piotr> 1000 ram is 500 euro :) that what I can get a desktop for [12:11] _piotr: germany [12:12] How do you set up a repository for apt-get to use ? [12:12] <_piotr> Pupeno:where are u from? [12:12] what do i have to do to get opera to see the jre ? [12:12] _piotr: Argentina. Here notebooks costs the double than in USA. [12:13] <_piotr> ok. thats a cheap 17' notebook [12:13] _piotr: indeed. [12:13] <_piotr> looks cool [12:13] emachines are cheep. [12:13] cheap. [12:13] <_piotr> Pupeno: but are they light enough to take them with you? === kay [~kay@p54A3967B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [12:14] :) thats the problem the 17" is realy huge [12:15] <_piotr> i have got a fujitsu siemens here for 1500 euro on geizhals.at . its 4 kg! [12:15] <_piotr> an apple 17' powerbook is 3 kg [12:16] <_piotr> big difference === userXa0 [~user@adsl-69-224-36-29.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:16] <_piotr> but 15inch is too small for desktop use so I dont know.. :) [12:16] <_piotr> how to decide [12:17] _piotr: I don't really care about that because I'm not interested in taking it with me: on this country, on this city, I wouldn't walk on the streets with a notebook. But I'm interested to be able to move (as change house) with just a bagpack. [12:17] <_piotr> Pupeno: yeah .. me too.. [12:17] _piotr: buy a small notebook and a big flat screen, carry the notebook leave the screen. [12:17] <_piotr> :D [12:17] _piotr: where are you ? [12:17] <_piotr> austria [12:18] the 12" ibook is 2,2kg [12:19] <_piotr> what are acer notebooks like? they are quite cheap [12:19] <_piotr> and dont look too bad [12:19] <_piotr> so shouldnt get damaged too quuickly [12:19] I bought mine from tuxhardware.de, they had instructions how configure everything with free software === Firetech [~Firetech@h248n2fls302o1100.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:19] And it came with Gentoo pre-installed [12:20] acer is worser than dell :) [12:20] <_piotr> kay: is kde fluent [12:20] I may say, it is also a Wortmann AG thing, good old German company [12:20] <_piotr> amu: :) [12:21] <_piotr> amu: so whats the best linux compatible x86 notebook company? [12:21] _piotr: hm, fluent? [12:21] You know, Ubuntu has this contract with HP.... [12:22] _piotr: there are 3 possibilities, HP or IMB or an apple, HP is perfect with service if something breaks you get your laptop back, in 5 days, ibm good quality also, good service, well and apple is known for best design and hardware [12:22] They are going to support their notebooks with Ubuntu, so it will work everything fine [12:22] <_piotr> apple has goot service too [12:22] <_piotr> cooll about hp [12:22] kay: only 1 serie [12:22] <_piotr> what aobut sony or fujitsu siemens? [12:22] amu: It sure read like a lot numbers [12:22] go away with them [12:23] <_piotr> amu: which one? [12:23] <_piotr> hp.. [12:23] Sony is nice style, but not good hardware [12:23] <_piotr> ok === adolfo [~adolfo@200165036089.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #kubuntu [12:23] toshiba is also good for linux I believe. I'd be interested in a solution that doesn't imply Microsoft-tax [12:23] Then none of the big except Apple will work [12:23] kay: is i know the NX series is full supported, mybe other seies works also .... [12:23] _piotr: sony is extrenely prorpietary, so, expect it to be a pain in the a*s to get anything to work. [12:23] <_piotr> kay: are ther hp laptops which ship with ubuntu [12:24] Except of course, that MS owns big part of Apple [12:24] _piotr: The HP laptops are going to ship with FreeDOS installed, but with Ubuntu CDs (free) [12:24] kay: well, Apple is Apple-taxed, so, it's the same. Asus sell OS-less notebooks, but I don't trust Asus. [12:24] <_piotr> kay: great no.. ms license [12:24] I went for a smaller company just because of that, and I must say, I was not disappointed [12:24] kay: http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2005/8051.html === ..[topic/#kubuntu:Riddell] : deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ | breezy broken for g++ and dbus fun | http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php [12:25] Riddell: cool [12:25] <_piotr> kay:so where would I get a Hp without windows xp [12:25] amu: Yes, but still... who else but HP does this? [12:25] amu: english version somewhere ? [12:26] _piotr: Well, it sure won't be cheaper, MS has that kind of contracts with them [12:26] Pupeno: pipe it though babelfish [12:26] amu, uniq: ready for amd64 .debs if you wish to supply them [12:27] <_piotr> kay: how come. [12:27] <_piotr> thought that hp was a nice company :D [12:27] kay: as i read there are a lot of small companies, they deliver their hardware with preinstalled k(u)buntu [12:28] Wise of them... amu [12:28] uniq: you can do that? i've enough other work :) [12:28] If Breezy meets its release goal, the notebooks of the top 5 vendors should work fine, right? [12:28] riddell: i've got kaffine ready.. kdelibs compiling. [12:28] amu: sure. [12:29] kay: the goal for breezy is that all laptops are supported, breezy will be the laptop distri [12:29] amu: :-) [12:30] uniq: thanks, than i'll do ppc [12:30] kay: i'm not joking :) [12:30] I am just happy === ys76 [~richard@u6-52.dsl.vianetworks.de] has left #kubuntu ["Lost] === _brandonn [~brandonn@66-7-184-2.estreet.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:32] btw, reading changelogs... i saw something like "remove visibility=hidden" [12:32] _piotr: as i said hp,ibm or apple everything other, forget it. As a student you need your laptop everyday, let say acer, you must wait month's in order to get it back :) ... HP supports also kde & debian one more reason to support them [12:32] <_ron> Has anyone gotten the updated Kopete to play with msn? [12:32] <_brandonn> anyone know why on konqueror my fonts looks fine, but on firefox everything is small and hard to read? [12:32] _ron: yes. [12:33] <_piotr> thanks guys [12:33] <_piotr> I think Ill take a hp [12:33] <_ron> uniq: did you do anything special^ [12:33] _ron: no, just update and connect. [12:33] _brandonn: because konqueror is part of KDE and respects the general configuration of KDE, which is sane. Firefox has its own configuration that is not quite nice, just go and change it ;) [12:33] <_ron> hmmm thanks [12:33] _piotr: I think I'll consider HP as well. [12:33] Thank you. [12:34] <_piotr> Pupeno: still need the money to buy it :D === m-fox [~m-fox@port-212-202-9-80.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu === Pupeno too. [12:35] <_brandonn> Pupeno, the strange thing is I have another Kubuntu machine, and firefox has the same (font) settings, but the fonts look fine on that one [12:35] What's with these cheap notebook we read about [12:35] _brandonn: my answer would remain the same I believe. [12:35] 100, 200 USD ones seem to be made for 3rd world [12:36] If they break, you could just take a new one [12:36] (several times and still be cheaper...) [12:36] kay: here, in the third world, there are only 1500 and up notebooks available on the market (and if it's 1500 here, it's 900 on USA, if it's 3000 here, it's 1500 on USA) [12:36] kay: and I'm not talking about money conversions, they are all USA dollars. [12:37] well, you know, Germany is part of the 3rd world in that regard [12:38] I can't understand why notebooks are so expensive anywhere else than USA (generally). [12:38] after all, they are made on China anyway. [12:39] Maybe something antitrust [12:39] Think films and stuff, all more expensive here [12:39] <_piotr> ok; ill go to bed guys.. [12:39] night _piotr [12:39] <_piotr> have a good night.. [12:41] Pupeno: in Brasil a packet cigarets cost 50cents, in autralia 12$ ...same label [12:43] same with Volkswagen, the VW is in Spain cheaper than in Germany .... [12:43] amu: that's not something easy to compare, because if the packer of cigarets is made on Brasil, it makes sense, and if Australia has pro-health laws with special taxes on cigaretes, it makes sense as well. [12:44] amu: in that case, it may be a market choice, the average money-capacity of spanish people is lower than germany, so, it makes sense to make the cars cheaper if they want to sell at all (or in the other way, they are able to make them expensive on Germany and still sell). [12:44] amu: The VW is made in Spain too [12:44] there's another important factor. [12:44] ok cigaretes are are bad example, but why is the VW in spain cheaper ... [12:44] kay: no also in italy it's cheaper :) [12:45] People in Germany are willing to pay more for cars than everybody else [12:45] amu: my initial statment prevails. [12:45] that's it [12:46] amu: but why do notebooks costs the double in Argentina than in the USA, while they are made somewhere else of those countries and people in USA earn more than 1000u$s monthly while people in Argentina earn less than 300u$s monthly still puzzels me. === FireEgl [Ariel@2001:5c0:84dc:2:0:0:0:0] has joined #Kubuntu [12:47] maybe there is more competition there [12:47] Pupeno: i guess there are socalled distributors in argentina, it's only them allowed to import the waerez [12:47] kay: that can be a possible solution. [12:47] My suspect is that non-US is where US companies make their money [12:47] Whereas in US they will even accept losses, just to remain in the game [12:48] The Apple is a good example too [12:48] kay: the typical USA people living off the rest of the world. [12:48] Apple has to fear no distributor, right? [12:48] .. and those distributors earn the money [12:49] Still, Apples simply have cost twice as much here [12:49] kay: partner is it called [12:49] The iMac e.g. flopped here due to that point [12:50] anyway, I have a weird problem here. [12:51] Pupeno: wait for someone who visit another country he'll bring you the laptop [12:51] Travel to US, buy there, have a good time, return, save money :p [12:51] My firewall/gateway(masquerade) works good with firestart, the masquerade machine can work, but when I try to do it with guarddo/guidedog it just doesn't work. KMail on the masqed computer can't download mail (while I can from that computer telnet to the mail server at its port and I get a reply), any ideas ? [12:52] kay: I don't want to put a foot on USA soil for a long long long time. [12:52] kay: and spending 1000u$s on travel tickets to buy a notebook for 900u$s instead of 1500u$s doesn't really save money. [12:53] amu: that's probably what I do, but customs in this country 'haunt you down' when you come from USA. [12:53] Thought you were in Brazil... [12:53] s/t I do/t I'll do/ [12:53] kay: I'm on Argentina. [12:53] Ah ok [12:54] In some countries in Asia the governments are doing something about it, I read [12:54] does anybody know what's up with this guarddog/guidedog ? does it work ? [12:54] But Argentina, does it still suffer? [12:54] kay: what do you mean ? [12:55] Pupeno: you're bit too late, haggai was last year there, there was debconf and some people from .ar visted debconf also .... [12:55] Pupeno: I recall there was a harsh enconomic breakdown [12:56] kay: yes, I left this country shortly after it started. [12:56] kay: the situation is still bad, the USA-based organizations and USA itself keeps pressing our authorities to take bad choices, but still, the echonomy is getting better. [12:57] s/take/make/ [12:57] Isn't there free trade between south america and US now? [12:58] I forgot, there are 2 organisations, one with Argentina, one with Brazil [12:58] They had free trade treaty, not? [12:58] kay: no, only Chile is part of NAFTA (or whatever it was called)... and Mexico. [12:58] yeah... and there is another one [12:58] kay: here we have Mercosur, between Brasil, Uruguay, Paraguay and Argentina... which is a big failure. [12:59] exactly that was the name [12:59] Why is it, Pupeno ? [12:59] kay: The two big countries in this game where Brasil and Argentina. Brasil never played fair and Argentina was taken down by the IMF, so, it was very useless. [12:59] ok, again .us fault ;) in iraq they stole oil for food, in south america bad chooses :) [01:00] kay: Brasilians are very nationalist, so, even when you could sell to them without paying taxes, they wouldn't buy from you if you don't buy from them first, so, it was a different kind of tax. [01:00] Sounds like French :p [01:01] kay: Argentinians are not nationalist (untill nationalism can be expressed with violence braking things, like the glasses of McDonalds and similar stupid behaviours), so, we end importing a lot from Brasil and not exporting anything and the economy went down. [01:01] s/glasses/windows/ [01:02] Now, I know another trade organization is being born, from Ecuador and it is supoused to integrate all South America... but honestly, I haven't seen anything else than a couple of words about it. [01:03] That thing about nations has something bad about it anyway [01:03] kay: I'm strongly oposed agains the concept of countries. [01:03] So, why should i matter from which humans you buy :p [01:04] If you don't buy best / cheapest, you are plain silly [01:04] kay: because I don't buy from humans who are actively hurting other humans. [01:04] kay: or, in other words, I buy from the humans who I believe are hurting the less. [01:04] Wow, how are you going to get a notebook [01:04] Made in China [01:04] Sold via US [01:05] Dictators that kill their citizens (and exploit them) [01:05] kay: I do not know, I'll try to find the best available, as I do in all the other cases. [01:05] You see :p [01:06] kay: it is not easy for me to make such desitions, to take such actions, it always hurt me. [01:07] say hello to meredyth. she's my bitch. [01:07] hm... transgress ... [01:07] ha... [01:07] Ah yes, a troll woke up :p === transgress wonders if there are ops in the moment [01:07] eh i help more than some of the other trolls === Pupeno totally removes guarddog/guidedog and installs firestarter. === Tezkah [~Tezkah@d137-186-160-50.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:15] transgress: for every user converted from gnome to kde you can send 1 troll posting, every gnome-dev, 2 troll postings, isnt that a deal? [01:15] lol [01:16] hehehe. [01:16] amu: converting windows users/devs to kubuntu, how much does he earn ? [01:17] nothing, they will come, it's only a question of time :) [01:17] hehehe. [01:21] if I installed ubuntu-desktop on kubuntu, shouldn't I end up with the exact same result as if installing Ubuntu? [01:22] Tezkah: no you end up with kubuntu and ubuntu [01:23] I wonder why XFCE wont work [01:23] I'm going to try again === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu === Tezkah [~ryan@d137-186-160-50.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:24] yeah that didn't work right === _ron [~ron@CPE00c049ae692c-CM0011ae00c2cc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu === deadly_omen [~deadly_om@i01v-27-188.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #kubuntu === deadly_omen [~deadly_om@i01v-27-188.d4.club-internet.fr] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [01:27] <_ron> Hey. I am having some sound problems. I have ALSA configured sucessfully, and I have restarted, but I am not hearing any sound. Any ideas^ [01:27] To automatically load all the installed emacs extensions, may I load some general file that does the works for me (like /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/debian-startup.elc) ? (this is the way it works on Gentoo). [01:27] _ron: make sure pcm & vol are set not =0 [01:28] <_ron> amu: how do I do that^ === Tezkah [~ryan@d137-186-160-50.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:28] start kmix ... === Tezkah_ [~Tezkah@d137-186-160-50.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:29] how annoying [01:29] xfce4 loads [01:29] but I cant open any settings windows [01:30] <_ron> amu: Sorry I am a little new to kde. I am in kmix. Which are the ones you mentioned? [01:30] _ron: there a master control right? [01:31] there's even [01:31] <_ron> amu: I am not sure if I see one. There is a headphone slider [01:31] <_ron> headphone, front, front mic, surrond, center, LFE, Line, CD, Mic, Pc Speaker [01:32] there's a tab named output/input/switches right? [01:33] <_ron> Yes (but in French) lol [01:33] :) that's good [01:33] <_ron> nm I GOT IT [01:33] <_ron> :) [01:33] goto output === steffenstrobel [~steffenst@p5496B20F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [01:34] _ron: err, you got your sound, or you found the tab ;) [01:34] <_ron> I got the sound. [01:34] <_ron> :) [01:34] <_ron> It was just labeled something funny [01:36] ok, there's a bug about it, it could be probably fixed with kcmshell ? [01:36] <_ron> amu: are you talking to me? lol === apsuva [~apsuva@81.215.129.229] has joined #kubuntu [01:38] To automatically load all the installed emacs extensions, may I load some general file that does the works for me (like /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/debian-startup.elc) ? (this is the way it works on Gentoo). [01:38] _ron: sure, i told you, how get your sound, you tell me, how to set it automatically :) [01:40] awesome, got sbcl 0.9.0.39 and slime-cvs to work on ubuntu :D [01:40] <_ron> lol sorry I don't quite understand and probably do not know how to help anyway. lol [01:40] oot here comes the dreadlocks! [01:40] err woot! [01:41] _ron: no prob :) === Tezkah [~Tezkah@d137-186-160-50.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #kubuntu === apsuva [~apsuva@81.215.129.229] has joined #kubuntu [01:44] <_ron> This is a longshot, but does anyone know how to get rid of the "scratchy " sound in ALSA using hda-intel drivers? [01:46] please describe [01:46] <_ron> describe which? [01:46] hmmm if i set konqui as background, on the left side it's bit lighter, or my grafic-card has problems [01:46] _ron: the scratchy sounds? [01:46] <_ron> amu: try hitting your screen [01:47] _ron: ... now it's black [01:47] <_ron> crimsun: there is an identified problem talked about in the forums. The sound is unclear and evidently scratchy. [01:47] <_ron> amu: lol [01:47] <_ron> amu: too hard a hit, I guess [01:47] _ron: I need a link or something. [01:48] <_ron> crimsun: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HdaIntelSoundHowto [01:48] <_ron> crimsun: see Note 2 [01:48] hehe, hold on i'll screenshot it [01:48] _ron: so you've not tried 1.0.9rc3? [01:49] <_ron> crimsun: I am running rc3 [01:49] so the howto needs to be updated [01:49] also, --with-oss=yes needs to be added to step (1) === bigbill52a [~bill@24-55-219-216.losaca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:49] <_ron> crimsun: are you sure about that? [01:50] <_ron> crimsun: is it worth my running the config again? [01:50] _ron: if you want oss emulation, yes. [01:50] _ron: otherwise it's not necessary [01:50] <_ron> crimsun: is it possible that oss em. would not have the gross scratchiness? === claydoh [~claydoh@65.99.187.30] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [01:51] _ron: possible, yes. [01:51] however, if that's a case, file a bug in mantis ASAP so it can be fixed before 1.0.9 is tagged [01:51] the case, rather === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:53] _ron: can you confirm this also : http://amu.debian.net/tmp/snapshot1.png [01:55] <_ron> amu: there is a white line at the left edge of the screen. it looke like a style [01:57] <_ron> crimsun: if you are going to do something with the FAQ also note that --with-cards=hda-intel as I ran it the first time, made alsaconf not detect any cards... when I just ran ./configure, alsaconf detected my hda-intel card [01:58] <_ron> amu: have you had a look at different backgrounds? because it doesn't look like the white line goes up into the menu bar [01:58] _ron: alsaconf should be avoided. [01:59] <_ron> crimsun: tell the faq that. lol [01:59] _ron: you can, too, btw [01:59] _ron: yep, it's only with the konqui background .... [02:00] <_ron> amu: ... so is it really a problem? there is just a gradient at the edge of thekonqui bakground that you have maybe [02:00] <_ron> crimsun: I can? how??? [02:00] _ron: log in using your userid [02:01] <_ron> crimsun: OH [02:01] anyone with an acct can edit unlocked wiki pages [02:01] <_ron> crimsun: I didn't even know that there waas membership lol [02:02] _ron: nope no real problem, i'm just woundering about. [02:03] <_ron> crimsun: thank you for giving me a gateway to oppurtunity *worships toes* [02:07] amu: that's how the wallpaper is ment to look [02:09] <_ron> crimsun: Ha! faq fixed. lol [02:10] Riddell: ic [02:11] <_ron> amu: lol [02:11] hehe === Jet2k5 [~zero@fl-71-3-146-13.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:12] Anyone here using k3b? [02:13] sometimes [02:14] I got a problem [02:14] I don't know if it's right to ask here, but I take it it's ubuntu and kde related [02:14] I'm running Ubuntu but with gnome [02:14] k3b: error while loading shared libraries: libartskde.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [02:14] I get that error when I try and open up k3b [02:14] what package contains that library? [02:14] kde-core? [02:15] Jet2k5: that's in kdelibs4 [02:15] Jet2k5: what are you trying to do? [02:15] just install k3b and get it running [02:15] I did apt-get install k3b [02:15] Jet2k5: in hoary? [02:15] got all the deps and stuff [02:15] yeah [02:15] and tried to run it, and that's the error message that I got [02:15] Jet2k5: do you have /usr/lib/libartskde.so.1 ? [02:16] Jet2k5: what happen, if you say apt-get install kdelibs4 [02:16] nope [02:16] amu: already installed [02:16] let me see if re-installing it does anything [02:17] nope same thing [02:17] could you run a dpkg -L kdelibs4 |grep libarts [02:18] nothign comes up [02:18] you use other apt-sources than ubuntu? [02:18] .. other than archive.ubuntu.com === vlasa [~vlasa@83.228.72.246] has joined #kubuntu [02:20] umm I don't know what you are asking [02:20] I have extra reps. , yes [02:21] ... could you run a : dpkg -l |grep k3b [02:21] as root or user? [02:21] user is fine [02:21] ii k3b 0.11.23-0ubunt K3b, a sophisticated KDE cd burning applicat [02:21] ii k3blibs 0.11.23-0ubunt The KDE cd burning application library - run [02:22] dpkg -l |grep kdelibs4 [02:22] I can not use kubuntu or xfce because the xserver will crash leaving me with a screen filled with blinking grey boxes...the keyboard also crashes and i have to shut down the system manually [02:23] ii kdelibs4 3.4.0-0ubuntu3 KDE core libraries [02:24] Jet2k5: ok, try apt-get install kdelibs4 --reinstall [02:24] + sudo apt-get ... [02:24] no need for sudo, I've got my root account :) [02:25] eww [02:25] that's what sudo -s is for [02:25] <_ron> lol [02:25] me too..dont know why ..i have root account and had to change sudoers so that I could use sudo... [02:26] transgress: man sudo [02:26] adding user didnt add me to sudoers..i had to do it manually...though i dont mind it..the best of two worlds [02:26] heh I'm a semi system administrator and sudo is not vey safe [02:26] according to my book [02:26] err I mean I want to be a semi administrator :) [02:27] err s/ transgress / Jet2k5 [02:27] same thing :( [02:27] ok, I think I might know what the reason is [02:27] I installed kde, but got rid of it [02:27] I went into synaptics and got rid of everything that had ke [02:28] what command do you guys use to install kde? [02:28] kde [02:28] apt-get install in font of it ... [02:29] yeah [02:29] is that just like the standar kde? [02:30] the kubuntu one is kubuntu-desktop ... personally I install "kde [02:30] k [02:31] Jet2k5: just run apt-get install kde; change your loginmanager to kdm and everything will be fine [02:31] na I'm ok :) [02:32] .. you can trust me :) === shane [~shane@24-177-160-171.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:32] kde is neat === shane is now known as kisain [02:32] I like it [02:33] the other command you need is: apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop [02:33] lol [02:33] :) [02:33] geez [02:33] ;) [02:33] I see that kybuntu is very buggy tho [02:34] buggy ? [02:34] a lot of apps are crashing [02:34] and no bug fixes for them [02:34] ? which ? [02:34] Jet2k5 are you using the 686 kernels ? === vlasa [~vlasa@83.228.72.246] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [02:35] did you added deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main to ypu sources list ? [02:36] no I didn't [02:36] AHA [02:36] so kubuntu is a seperate distro than from ubuntu or what? [02:37] kubuntu is like ubuntu but as kde as the default wm [02:37] I know that [02:37] but I heard that they are 2 different distros [02:37] that kubuntu is not supported by the Ubuntu team [02:37] that's wrong :) [02:38] fruit cakes people [02:40] Isn't kde suppose to have voice support? [02:40] Like using bluetooth technology === apollo2011 [~chatzilla@64.252.216.54] has joined #kubuntu === JohninMT [~john@67-42-224-59.blng.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:42] k done installing [02:42] amu: how do I add the rep.? [02:42] repo I mean [02:43] How do I resize NTFS during installation of kubuntu 5.04? I see it has ntfsresize integrated, and when I click on the size, it says it will write the data to the disk but never asks for a size...is this info gathered after the data is written? [02:44] run echo "deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main" >>/etc/apt/sources.list [02:44] cn anyone help me? Diable-D3? [02:45] Diablo-D3? [02:45] hello [02:46] opps [02:46] lol [02:46] apollo2011: nope. === Diablo-D3 doesnt support windows. [02:46] umm why? [02:46] im not looking for win support... [02:46] it's good [02:46] anyone know how to do this? [02:47] just because you could stay off the porn site and got viruses doesn't mean it's bad :) [02:47] lol [02:47] j/k [02:47] I don't want to have it write whatever it wants to write and get my table screwed over [02:47] umm apollo2011 sorry i can't remember the installation stpes [02:47] ok [02:47] err === Jet2k5 thinsk hard [02:47] are you installing right now? [02:48] apollo2011: resize NTFS during installation isnt supported yet, you need a livecd like knoppix for resize ad than install it [02:48] amu: btw it says that the kde packages are not authenticated [02:48] amu: ummm no [02:48] I did it on ubuntu [02:48] it was added in the latest version [02:48] 5.04 [02:48] says so [02:48] that's fine, strong trustfull that source [02:49] Feb 24, 2005: Ubuntu 5.04, codenamed "Hoary Hedgehog", added support for non-destructive NTFS resizing during installation using ntfsresize. [02:49] apollo2011: who say this? [02:49] the ntfsresize site and the ubuntu wiki [02:49] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals [02:49] ntfs is windows partition [02:49] I resized it [02:49] search on that page for ntfs [02:49] np [02:50] I have ubuntu hoary and win xp right now installed on thss computer === JohninMT [~john@67-42-224-59.blng.qwest.net] has left #kubuntu [] [02:50] apollo2011: dont think so ... you can ask in #ubuntu but i think that will not work [02:51] Jet2k5: I hit enter with the size highlighted and it just came to a screen saying it was going to perform the operation, and I hadn [02:51] entered a size yet...do you enter it after??? [02:52] whats that little program that pops up simple windows in x [02:52] hmm [02:52] do you have the omputer where you are installing right in front of you right now? [02:52] amu: I got a shitload of errors [02:52] is that more than 12 [02:53] Jet2k5: no I am in windows on that machine right now [02:53] ok [02:53] when you get to the partitions [02:53] there should be something that says manual partitions [02:53] go in there [02:53] and select the windows partition [02:54] and then when you click on it , it gives you information about it [02:54] there should be something that says size [02:54] like 20.0 GB [02:54] yeah [02:54] I wnet there [02:54] and hit enter with the size highlighted [02:54] ok [02:54] and got a message saying it was going to write the data.... [02:54] you should hit back space [02:54] and erase it [02:54] erase it? [02:54] then put in the size you want [02:54] nvm do what you were doing and hit enter [02:55] that won't destruct the partition? [02:55] so I hit backspace? [02:55] if you resize it? [02:55] no [02:55] I dunno I'm confused [02:55] lol [02:55] Jet2k5: which error's ? [02:55] hmm [02:55] amu: never mind I just did it from console [02:55] well did it work for you? [02:56] when I resized my windows partition, yes [02:56] and when you resize it windows sorta does a check on the hard drive for any error [02:56] luckly I got none [02:56] so you did it that way and it worked? [02:56] brb time to boot kubuntu [02:56] if It's the same method I did [02:56] yes it should === Jet2k5 [~zero@fl-71-3-146-13.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:03] not good [03:04] it says that the kde panel has crashed [03:04] oh === Slackman [~mase@202.6.157.96] has joined #kubuntu [03:05] happens all time or just once? === Jet2k5 [~zero@fl-71-3-146-13.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:07] sorry I couldn't see anything [03:07] yeah but I can't loggin [03:07] I says to check my installation [03:08] night :) [03:09] brb === kman___ [~kman@p5.pub.ro] has joined #kubuntu === Jet2k5 [~zero@fl-71-3-146-13.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #kubuntu === Jet2k5 [~zero@fl-71-3-146-13.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:15] so now what? === BROKEN_LADDER [~pral@h-67-101-149-51.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #KUBUNTU === Jet2k5 [~zero@fl-71-3-146-13.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has left #kubuntu [] === [Euronymous] [~euronymou@d83-176-78-149.cust.tele2.it] has joined #kubuntu === [Euronymous] [~euronymou@d83-176-78-149.cust.tele2.it] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === _ron [~ron@CPE00c049ae692c-CM0011ae00c2cc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu [03:36] <_ron> hey. I've installed a bunch of fonts. They appear in OpenOffice just fine. But in the ControlPanel, under Themes... they do not appear. Is this an xorg thing??? Any ideas? === chx [~chx@chx.user] has joined #kubuntu [03:42] is there a KDE alternative to realplayer? [03:42] <_brandonn> Kaffiene I think === _brandonn is now known as brandonn === Wekkel [~wekkel_e@ip503c77dd.speed.planet.nl] has joined #kubuntu [03:43] he he, Kubuntu left a great impression on me [03:43] good or bad? [03:44] good [03:44] USB stick perfectly supported [03:44] nice gui [03:44] easy installation [03:44] What remains is a good alternative to MS office ;) [03:45]