| justdave | I don't see anything that looks like it did, and due to the nature of the exploit it wouldn't be safe for me to just assume that anyone using Ubuntu has updated... | 12:02 |
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| elmo | justdave: I don't know off hand, but thom made the changes, easiest might be to mail him | 12:04 |
| justdave | ok, thanks | 12:10 |
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| seb128 | elmo: anything using gal2.2 and gtkhtml3.2 atm? | 12:24 |
| robertj | seb128: do you know if 2004's bounty budget got rolled over into 2005? | 12:46 |
| seb128 | no idea | 12:46 |
| robertj | am I out of the loop or have bounties been pretty quiet lately? | 12:47 |
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| seb128 | robertj: I don't really knows about bounties, probably want to speak to jdub | 12:57 |
| seb128 | or mdz | 12:57 |
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| jdub | justdave: ping | 01:10 |
| justdave | jdub: pong | 01:11 |
| jdub | justdave: hey, you were asking about version number wrt addons.mozilla | 01:11 |
| jdub | justdave: can't answer the question, but i did have the same problem | 01:11 |
| jdub | justdave: do you ask because you hit it yourself, or because you've got feedback about it? | 01:11 |
| justdave | because we got feedback about it | 01:12 |
| jdub | cool :-) | 01:12 |
| justdave | people are like "but I already upgraded, how come I still can't get in?" | 01:12 |
| justdave | nobody bumped the version number so we have no way to tell from server-side | 01:12 |
| justdave | hit http://www-stage.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/ using the Ubuntu version of Firefox | 01:13 |
| justdave | I just added that message at the bottom if it has the Ubuntu useragent | 01:13 |
| lu|away | but, like, you don't seriously expect to hand-code exceptions on the server every time someone backports bugfixes and releases a new version on a stable branch? | 01:13 |
| justdave | no, I'd rather get the version number fixed in the package. :) | 01:14 |
| justdave | Ubuntu seems to be the only distro (that I've heard anything about) that didn't update the version number when they pushed the security fixes. | 01:14 |
| seb128 | mandriva too I think | 01:15 |
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| mjg59 | justdave: But it /is/ version 1.0.2 | 01:18 |
| mjg59 | It's just a version of 1.0.2 that doesn't have the known security issues | 01:18 |
| justdave | 1.0.x supposedly only gets security and stability fixes, so it's hard to imagine what would have got left out by backporting the patches aside from the version number :) | 01:18 |
| mjg59 | We don't backport stability fixes | 01:18 |
| justdave | ah, so "secure but still crashes" :) | 01:19 |
| mjg59 | Stable releases get security fixes and nothing else (which means that some programs are broken, but they're broken in a consistent way...) | 01:19 |
| wasabi_ | *yawn* | 01:19 |
| wasabi_ | i've always been curious about that policy. | 01:19 |
| mjg59 | So bumping the version number isn't reasonable, because that would imply that it's something that it isn't | 01:20 |
| wasabi_ | Is it because of lack of manpower to insure backwards compatibility, or some higher philosophical reasoning like usual | 01:20 |
| mjg59 | It's hard to be certain that a bugfix does nothing other than fix the bug | 01:20 |
| justdave | yeah, for the record, 1.0.3 did break stuff (which was fixed again in 1.0.4) as well as fixing the security issues | 01:21 |
| wasabi_ | I'm sure there are times. | 01:21 |
| mjg59 | With security fixes, we have no choice - it's better to break the software than to leave it insecure | 01:21 |
| wasabi_ | But I see the point. It is a man power issue. | 01:21 |
| seb128 | no | 01:21 |
| wasabi_ | If you had enough man power to throw at "making sure", such as any commercial vendor does. | 01:21 |
| justdave | but in 1.0.3's case, it was the security patch itself that broke things | 01:21 |
| mjg59 | wasabi_: Microsoft consistently break stuff with Windows service packs | 01:22 |
| mjg59 | It's not a manpower thing. It's a *hard problem* | 01:22 |
| wasabi_ | Frankly it's not as bad as you make it out to be. | 01:22 |
| wasabi_ | I'd rather have a crash fixed. | 01:22 |
| justdave | and if the "fix the problem we created in 1.0.3" patch (which wouldn't have been labelled as security) wasn't backported in addition to the 1.0.4 security patches, then you have a crashy browser | 01:22 |
| wasabi_ | <--- win admin. =/ | 01:22 |
| mjg59 | justdave: Right, so specific cases are obviously more awkward than the general one :) | 01:23 |
| mjg59 | justdave: But it would be good to be able to signify that a vendor release has been patched without making life awkward for upstream | 01:23 |
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| justdave | looks like it's actually claiming to be 1.0 | 01:26 |
| justdave | Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.2) | 01:26 |
| justdave | that's what it says in the UserAgent | 01:27 |
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| justdave | you could tack the package revision on the end of the one inside the Ubuntu package section | 01:27 |
| justdave | (Ubuntu package 1.0.2-0ubuntu5) | 01:28 |
| wasabi_ | wait are we talking about a stupid user agent check on a web site? | 01:28 |
| justdave | yes. | 01:28 |
| wasabi_ | make the web site fix itself. | 01:28 |
| justdave | it's a stupid way to check versions, but it's the only way to do it without sending content from the site. | 01:29 |
| justdave | it's a security issue. | 01:29 |
| justdave | the site is whitelisted by default for extension installs. | 01:29 |
| justdave | if you can load it in an iframe, it can be exploited. | 01:29 |
| wasabi_ | sounds like a pretty crappy security system. ;) | 01:29 |
| justdave | so if your UserAgent says you're running a vulnerable version, you get redirected to another domain that's not in the default whitelist. | 01:29 |
| justdave | (which short-circuits the exploits) | 01:30 |
| wasabi_ | i don't get it. | 01:30 |
| wasabi_ | sounds like extensions should be signed. | 01:30 |
| justdave | yeah, they're working on that. | 01:30 |
| justdave | it'll probably work that way in 1.1 | 01:30 |
| wasabi_ | Cool. =) | 01:30 |
| CarlFK | I 'think' I am onto a bug in Hoary's network config stuff - OK if I ask for some help here if I promice to bugzil,la it if it is? | 01:33 |
| CarlFK | not to mention my GF is gonig to be pissed if I can't get this fixed before she leaves for school with the box | 01:35 |
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| CarlFK | i think i am hitting https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8921 | 01:54 |
| CarlFK | im off to take a shower... | 01:54 |
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| ogra | hmm, the acer 1520 has no IPW2200 (intel), it has a IPN 2220 (cisco, no linux driver yet) i wonder what the guy is doing there | 01:59 |
| amu | bite in the notebook? | 02:06 |
| ogra | heh | 02:06 |
| amu | punishment enough, if you must work with a acer | 02:08 |
| ogra | agreed... thats my last acer :) | 02:08 |
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| daniels | Kamion: so what do I need to do to arrange an xorg upload to hoary-updates? | 02:41 |
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| lamont_r | log files are now .gz files | 03:23 |
| jp_ | cool | 03:24 |
| jp_ | =) | 03:24 |
| jp_ | <-! | 03:24 |
| lamont_r | getting elmo to add the content type is left as an exercise for the europe croud | 03:24 |
| lamont_r | crowd, even | 03:24 |
| ogra | hmm... so my script wont work anymore... | 03:24 |
| lamont_r | :-( | 03:25 |
| lamont_r | just make it understand both extensions... | 03:25 |
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| lamont_r | right then. homeward bound | 03:52 |
| wasabi | i must have been one of the only people who used to like Debian's iptables init script | 03:53 |
| crimsun | I used it, too | 03:56 |
| Lathiat | yeh so did i | 03:56 |
| Lathiat | its not that bad really, i didnt se ethe issue with it. | 03:56 |
| wasabi | it was stupid simple, which is why I liked it | 03:56 |
| Lathiat | i just recreated it. :) | 03:56 |
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| ogra | lamont, fixed :) | 04:18 |
| lamont | ogra: coolness. Is this something that could drop onto people easily?> | 04:19 |
| lamont | hrm.. might be security-policy issues with that though... | 04:19 |
| ogra | i guess so... but still, big files will load slowly...so there should be a extra download button... | 04:20 |
| ogra | i'll talk to pitti about it | 04:20 |
| ogra | hwdb.ubuntu.com runs a similar script which was ok for pitti after some small changes | 04:20 |
| tseng | ogra, up late | 04:22 |
| ogra | yeah.... my GF os moaning she wants to go to bed... | 04:22 |
| ogra | i think i'll do my last dogwalk now, night all | 04:22 |
| tseng | bye ogra | 04:23 |
| LinuxJones | bye | 04:23 |
| jnc | ogra: "my GF os ..." | 04:23 |
| ogra | is | 04:23 |
| ogra | :) | 04:23 |
| jnc | now now.... ubuntu is nice, must you really make it your girlfriend | 04:23 |
| jnc | :-P | 04:23 |
| jnc | *kidding* | 04:23 |
| ogra | heh | 04:23 |
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| bluefoxicy | Bus 005 Device 006: ID 05e3:0710 Genesys Logic, Inc. | 05:10 |
| bluefoxicy | this is a USB mass storage device. | 05:10 |
| bluefoxicy | it's supposed to work in Linux | 05:10 |
| bluefoxicy | oh, it is now, wow. | 05:11 |
| === bluefoxicy unplugged it and replugged it and switched to a pen drive repetedly and nothing o_x | ||
| bluefoxicy | UH. | 05:13 |
| bluefoxicy | "since gparted can be a weapon of mass destruction only root can run it | 05:13 |
| bluefoxicy | can't I take caps away and drop to nonroot, then exec gparted? o_o (in lieu of just rewriting thec ode) | 05:14 |
| Lathiat | I've entirely got to stop upgrading breezy/xorg | 05:24 |
| Lathiat | daniels: /etc/X11/X -> [broken] /usr/bin/X11/Xorg | 05:25 |
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| Lathiat | heh | 05:25 |
| Lathiat | i think i should reinstall and go back to hoary | 05:25 |
| jdub | Lathiat: dude, just don't log out or reboot :-) | 05:25 |
| Lathiat | jdub: heh | 05:25 |
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| jdub | on laptop or desktop :) | 05:26 |
| Lathiat | it was finely bumpy until the X stuff. :) | 05:26 |
| Lathiat | jdub: see my suspend is farked | 05:26 |
| jdub | suspend? SUSPEND? | 05:28 |
| jdub | you build your house on a bed of sand! | 05:28 |
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| jdub | any norwegian speakers in the house? | 05:30 |
| jdub | Mithrandir: around? | 05:30 |
| jdub | ha ha | 05:40 |
| jdub | http://linuxman.blogsome.com/images/ganador_ubuntu.jpg | 05:40 |
| dilinger | ubunticola! | 05:41 |
| fabbione | morning | 05:55 |
| crimsun | morning | 05:56 |
| Lathiat | e | 05:58 |
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| lu|sleep | ubunticos! | 06:54 |
| lu|sleep | (misuse, but whatever) | 06:55 |
| lu|sleep | (night) | 06:55 |
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| Treenaks | how do I compile a debug version of a CDBS package? | 08:47 |
| crimsun | you want to pass nostrip to DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS | 08:48 |
| Treenaks | ok | 08:49 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | Ubuntu 5.04 is released! | MOM is awake! | Colony CD 1 released | gcc4 transition starting, breezy probably well broken, uploads of C++ packages restricted | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by doko at Tue May 17 18:26:45 2005 | ||
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| Treenaks | wow.. what happened? | 09:13 |
| KaiL | NetSplit | 09:14 |
| KaiL | oh ;) | 09:14 |
| KaiL | - | 09:14 |
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| crimsun | network server upgrades | 09:14 |
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| toresbe | Mirv: Ping? | 10:17 |
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| toresbe | tja: pin | 10:21 |
| toresbe | g | 10:21 |
| tja | yes? | 10:25 |
| toresbe | tja: Can I msg you? It's a bit OT :) | 10:26 |
| tja | hit it | 10:26 |
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| hunger | Hi! Anyone got X working again after yesterdays upgrade? | 11:38 |
| hunger | xprint does no longer work (wrong font path), xdm does not work (wrong path to binary in init-script). | 11:39 |
| hunger | /etc/X11/X points to a non-existing directory | 11:42 |
| bob2 | yes, welcome to the development branch! | 11:43 |
| bob2 | the fix is in the bts | 11:43 |
| \sh | deja vu | 11:43 |
| \sh | but for me it's Xlib.h ;) | 11:43 |
| \sh | and I'm not complaining... | 11:43 |
| hunger | bob2: Good:-) | 11:43 |
| hunger | \sh: I am not complaining either? | 11:44 |
| \sh | hunger: adjust the font paths... | 11:44 |
| hunger | \sh I just wanted to point out the problems I am seeing while I am not able to get into the bugtracker to report them. | 11:44 |
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| hunger | \sh: Did that already. | 11:45 |
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| hunger | \sh xprint has some settings different from those in /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 11:46 |
| \sh | normally Xlib.h should be in /usr/include/X11/ and not anymore in /usr/X11R6/include/X11 | 11:46 |
| \sh | think i need some coffee to get this confusion out of my brain | 11:46 |
| hunger_ | What is the purpose of this X-reorganization anyway? | 11:47 |
| hunger_ | Making room for /usr/X11R7 ? | 11:47 |
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| \sh | i think just because we have now two free implementations of X11..xfree86 and xorg | 11:48 |
| tja | hunger: no, getting rid of /usr/X11* altogether | 11:48 |
| bob2 | except no one uses XFree86 anymore | 11:49 |
| hunger | \sh: There is no xorg in the path... | 11:49 |
| hunger | tja: The amount of stuff in /usr/X11R6 has not changed so far. | 11:50 |
| hunger | tja: It is only that /usr/bin/X11 etc. went missing. | 11:51 |
| tja | stuff is being migrated bit by bit | 11:52 |
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| \sh | morning pitti | 11:53 |
| pitti | Hi folks | 11:53 |
| \sh | but something went mad after the update this morning | 11:53 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: pong | 11:56 |
| hunger | Hi pitti. | 11:57 |
| pitti | trulux: here? | 12:01 |
| Treenaks | pitti: hi | 12:06 |
| === Treenaks points everyone at #11060 | ||
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| ajmitch | hi pitti | 12:32 |
| xe|| | hi | 12:34 |
| xe|| | thanks very much for fixing kopete that fast, ubuntu rocks! | 12:34 |
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| daniels | Lathiat: uhm, /usr/bin/X11 is still a directory on my ... oh shit | 12:48 |
| daniels | Lathiat: good catch, thanks | 12:48 |
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| daniels | thom: so, I think the way to reproduce my firefox crash is, start with about 10-15 tabs, then open something like www.theage.com.au and news.bbc.co.uk, and just open a bajillion links in new tabs | 01:04 |
| daniels | thom: that seems to screw it up prett reliably | 01:04 |
| daniels | hunger_: what sort of trouble? is it related to fonts or keyboard? | 01:04 |
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| hunger_ | daniels: No, more to x not starting at all due to broken pathes all over the place | 01:05 |
| daniels | that's well-known | 01:08 |
| daniels | we're in the middle of a huge path transition for xorg | 01:08 |
| hunger_ | daniels: I know. | 01:09 |
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| hunger_ | daniels: But when you break my system you will get bugreports. Just so things will not get forgotten. | 01:09 |
| hunger_ | daniels: And even in unstable X should work IMHO, independent of ongoing changes. You are giving out the packages to get feedback, aren't you? | 01:10 |
| daniels | hunger_: trust me, it's not been forgotten | 01:12 |
| daniels | and no, breezy isn't necessarily supposed to always be usable | 01:12 |
| hunger_ | daniels: Good:-) | 01:12 |
| tepsipakki | people are spoiled by sid | 01:12 |
| daniels | it's just that I don't have the resources to fix it right now | 01:12 |
| daniels | if you're not comfortable fixing breakages like this, right now you shouldn't be using breezy | 01:13 |
| hunger_ | daniels: It is not supposed to be useable or it may become broken at anytime? | 01:13 |
| hunger_ | daniels: I am comfortable fixing the fallout. I am running X again. | 01:14 |
| hunger_ | daniels: I do not mind running a distri that may break at any point in time. If the distri is meant to be broken, then I may need to look around for something else though. | 01:15 |
| mjg59 | hunger_: We have a nice stable distribution called "hoary" | 01:16 |
| mjg59 | Breezy is under active development. The priority is to ensure that stuff will work at release time, not to ensure that it works at any intermediate point | 01:16 |
| mjg59 | Prioritisation means that something may remain broken for some time | 01:16 |
| hunger_ | mjg59: Yeah... but I am an apt-addict;-) | 01:16 |
| hunger_ | mjg59: That is fine for me! | 01:16 |
| mjg59 | So, currently, X is broken because other things need to be worked on and have a higher priority | 01:17 |
| hunger_ | mjg59: I will write bugreports and fix stuff for myself. | 01:17 |
| hunger_ | mjg59: I am not complaining (sorry if that is what I sound like), I was just reporting my findings in case they were not yet known. | 01:18 |
| hunger_ | mjg59: OK, I doubt that "x does no longer start" was not noticed before;-) | 01:18 |
| mjg59 | hunger: Heh. Sure, that's no problem. | 01:21 |
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| hunger | tepsipakki: I have used other unstable distris apart from sid... which indeed does spoil people. | 01:23 |
| tepsipakki | hunger: the other distros or sid? | 01:33 |
| hunger | tepsipakki: sid spoiled me. | 01:33 |
| tepsipakki | me too | 01:33 |
| tepsipakki | breezy is better ;) | 01:33 |
| tepsipakki | keeps you on your toes | 01:34 |
| daniels | it's more fun | 01:34 |
| tepsipakki | right on | 01:34 |
| tseng | "what is daniels going to break today?" | 01:34 |
| tseng | its always a suprise | 01:34 |
| hunger | tepsipakki: If you want broken unstables... try gentoo. | 01:35 |
| tepsipakki | nooo, never | 01:35 |
| hunger | tepsipakki: with having to build the broken stuff for yourself all the time that distri is really painful. | 01:35 |
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| tepsipakki | heh | 01:39 |
| tepsipakki | i bet | 01:39 |
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| hunger | tepsipakki: feels a bit like digging your own grave... | 01:39 |
| tepsipakki | "I'm off hunting... my own foot!" | 01:40 |
| === hunger wishes that not everything that gets installed will automatically have its init scripts run at bootup. | ||
| hunger | But well, that is probably just me again... | 01:43 |
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| tseng | if you install a service intentionally, theres a good chance you want to run it | 01:44 |
| tseng | if not, you can update-rc.d | 01:44 |
| tseng | optimize for the common case dudes | 01:44 |
| hunger | tseng: As I said: probably just me again:-) | 01:45 |
| hunger | tseng: I install lots of stuff that I need in this or that network but not the others. | 01:45 |
| tseng | oh | 01:45 |
| tseng | you need NetworkMagic | 01:46 |
| tseng | with more *MAGIC* | 01:46 |
| hunger | tseng: Just trimmed down the rc-dirs by 15 entries that are not needed everywhere. | 01:46 |
| tseng | http://tseng.ath.cx/galleries/udu/mq/img-23.jpg | 01:46 |
| === hunger keeps forgetting to remove the links right after startup:-) | ||
| tseng | on idea for network magic is to be able to start/stop services | 01:47 |
| tseng | depending on the connection | 01:47 |
| hunger | tseng: Should work... the normal debian scripts can do that! | 01:47 |
| tseng | I mean.. magically | 01:48 |
| === hunger wonders why those are not used in ubuntu. | ||
| hunger | tseng: I have my wlan configured based on available APs with the normal /etc/network/interfaces mechanismns. | 01:49 |
| hunger | tseng: For some reason they are ignored in ubuntu afaict. | 01:49 |
| tseng | eh if you know what you are talking about, it sounds like bug report material | 01:49 |
| tseng | i dont use debian. | 01:49 |
| hunger | tseng: I put the necessary stuff on the wiki. | 01:50 |
| tseng | http://tseng.ath.cx/photos/index.php?galerie=udu&snimek=31&exif_style=&show_thumbs= | 01:52 |
| tseng | this is why your X is broken | 01:52 |
| hunger | tseng: Because of STRANGE people grinning into the camera? ;-) | 01:52 |
| tseng | one strange scruffy person | 01:53 |
| daniels | hey, I'm not scruffy | 01:53 |
| hunger | tseng: So basically you all sat together and decided to break my computer? ;-) | 01:54 |
| daniels | nor am I grinning | 01:54 |
| Mithrandir | hunger: yes. We call it development. | 01:54 |
| Mithrandir | :) | 01:54 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: 'progress' | 01:54 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: that too. | 01:54 |
| bob2 | hey, you didn't use to be scruffy | 01:54 |
| hunger | Mithrandir: Good answer;-) | 01:54 |
| bob2 | but after ols... | 01:54 |
| daniels | bob2: ... my hair was very close-cropped | 01:55 |
| hunger | tseng: Do you have some pics of the board, etc.? | 01:55 |
| tseng | hunger: which board? | 01:55 |
| bob2 | daniels: I'm not talking hair | 01:55 |
| daniels | bob2: i had my beard before OLS | 01:55 |
| bob2 | hm, ok | 01:55 |
| bob2 | I'll blame palais, then | 01:55 |
| daniels | bob2: i've had it since about last January | 01:55 |
| hunger | tseng: the whiteboard. | 01:55 |
| bob2 | it seems to encourage dodgy beards | 01:55 |
| tseng | hunger: yes its the next shot or the one after for network magic | 01:56 |
| daniels | since before I'd visited the palais :P | 01:56 |
| tseng | hunger: you can get a full page of thumb nails | 01:56 |
| hunger | tseng: Yes, found a couple already. | 01:56 |
| daniels | bob2: http://people.freedesktop.org/~daniels/albums/syd-jul2004/aan.sized.jpg | 01:58 |
| hunger | Is there a reason for not running ntpdate via /etc/network/if-up.d instead of in rcS.d? | 01:58 |
| Mithrandir | hunger: it'll all be fairly redone for breezy. | 01:59 |
| Mithrandir | look at the UdevRaces spec | 01:59 |
| daniels | bob2: (and my hackergotchi was from april-ish last year) | 01:59 |
| bob2 | daniels: oh yeah, I was at the giant phallus pizza party | 01:59 |
| hunger | Mithrandir: Basically all network services could be started via if-up.d/if-down.d... | 02:00 |
| daniels | bob2: abh in that gallery is le amore pascal | 02:00 |
| bob2 | ahhhh, good times | 02:00 |
| bob2 | daniels: cabal.! | 02:01 |
| Kamion | daniels: hoary-updates> upload, send me/mdz the diff for approval | 02:02 |
| daniels | Kamion: 'kay | 02:02 |
| daniels | Kamion: will email the diff, but it's not the most complex: http://cvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/i810/i830_driver.c?r1=1.15&r2=1.16 | 02:03 |
| Kamion | a rationale for the X-illiterate among us would be nice, too. :) | 02:05 |
| elmo | actually, if you could get the upload approved _before_ uploading it, that'd make my life easier | 02:06 |
| Kamion | oh, ok | 02:06 |
| daniels | Kamion: ok, so it reads the clocks out of DDC to validate modes against | 02:07 |
| Kamion | didn't know it made a significant difference, barring queue/accepted/ noise | 02:07 |
| daniels | Kamion: but the initialiser for DDCClock is in the wrong place, so you basically end up with 640x480 on Intel desktop chipsets. it's #7878. | 02:07 |
| elmo | Kamion: queue/accepted isn't designed to have stuff removed out from under it; the current hoary-updates mechanism is a gross hack done through necessity | 02:07 |
| Kamion | daniels: [reads references] ok, that's fine by me, go ahead and upload | 02:09 |
| daniels | Kamion: cheers | 02:09 |
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| tuhl | any hints when X will work again in breezy? | 02:11 |
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| fabbione | tuhl: uh? never.. we are going back to framebuffer console... | 02:12 |
| fabbione | ;) | 02:13 |
| pitti | fabbione: ++ | 02:13 |
| fabbione | pitti: ehheh | 02:13 |
| tuhl | fabbione: :-) | 02:13 |
| pitti | that's part of GettingRidOfTheDesktop | 02:13 |
| fabbione | ahaha | 02:13 |
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| bod | Kamion: awake? | 02:19 |
| ajmitch | pitti: so how does that go along with CommandLineDisintegration? :) | 02:19 |
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| Kamion | bod: yep | 02:19 |
| pitti | ajmitch: DirectBrain(tm) connection only | 02:19 |
| ajmitch | sounds nice & secure | 02:20 |
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| pitti | ajmitch: yeah, solves all authentication problems :) | 02:20 |
| fabbione | and if you get brainr00t3d? | 02:21 |
| fabbione | are you going to end up like Mr Bean? | 02:21 |
| pitti | no regression, the attacker can get your passwords out of your brain, too :-) | 02:21 |
| bob2 | hahaha | 02:22 |
| bob2 | glad pitti's in charge of security ;p | 02:22 |
| Kamion | elmo: could you sync perl 5.8.6-1 from experimental, please? (it's only there due to Debian freeze policies) | 02:22 |
| fabbione | Kamion ++ for extra crack :) | 02:25 |
| Burgundavia | when is breezy UVF? | 02:27 |
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| fabbione | hey _infinity | 02:27 |
| pitti | Hi _infinity | 02:28 |
| pitti | short visit... | 02:29 |
| Kamion | elmo: libdb1-compat seems to have been incorrectly demoted to universe in warty and hoary | 02:32 |
| Kamion | Burgundavia: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCycle | 02:32 |
| Kamion | release - 14 weeks | 02:33 |
| Burgundavia | Kamion, thanks, couldn't find it | 02:33 |
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| elmo | Kamion: eh? there are symlinks for it | 04:03 |
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| Kamion | elmo: oh, ok. somebody was complaining about debootstrap failing on libdb1-compat | 04:05 |
| Kamion | are the symlinks recent? | 04:05 |
| elmo | May 21 22:23 | 04:05 |
| Kamion | ah | 04:05 |
| Kamion | ok, thanks | 04:06 |
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| seb128 | elmo: is anything using gal2.2/gtkhtml3.2 ? | 04:21 |
| jdub | morning seb128 | 04:23 |
| seb128 | hey jdub | 04:23 |
| jdub | having a nice, relaxing sunday morning? :) | 04:24 |
| jdub | we had a eurovision party tonight | 04:24 |
| seb128 | I slept until 11am, so yes :) | 04:24 |
| jdub | the french act was merde :) | 04:24 |
| seb128 | roh | 04:24 |
| jdub | don't worry, the UK act was complete bollocks ;) | 04:25 |
| seb128 | I watched the local soccer team winning 3-2 yesterday, much better than the crappy eurovision :p | 04:25 |
| Burgundavia | not surprisingly (haven never seen it), the pretty girl won | 04:25 |
| elmo | seb128: not gal2.2, I demoted that a while ago | 04:29 |
| elmo | and gtkhtml3.2's in universe too | 04:30 |
| seb128 | ie: is that ok to drop them? | 04:30 |
| seb128 | I've asked some time ago and abiword was still using that IIRC | 04:30 |
| elmo | Checking reverse dependencies... | 04:30 |
| elmo | No dependency problem found. | 04:30 |
| seb128 | k, please drop them so | 04:30 |
| seb128 | thanks | 04:30 |
| elmo | removed | 04:31 |
| lifeless | elmo: ping | 04:42 |
| trulux | heya folks | 04:50 |
| trulux | mdz: ping | 04:56 |
| Kamion | mdz's on vacation | 04:56 |
| trulux | Kamion: lucky man | 05:07 |
| trulux | :) | 05:07 |
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| \sh | guys i have a little problem | 05:20 |
| \sh | arkrpg doesn't want to compile with the actual settings in the source...so I removed config.sub and config.guess from the actual source and rerun aclocal/automake-1.7 ; autoconf now it would compile the right way..but what is the best way to get diffs for it now? | 05:22 |
| Mithrandir | if the problem is just config.sub/guess, just update those from /usr/share/misc | 05:24 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: done...but i need to provide some patches for cdbs simple-patchsys | 05:24 |
| \sh | and the patches already in the patches dir must be applied before that | 05:25 |
| \sh | or should i do the replacement in debian/rules? | 05:26 |
| Mithrandir | add a patch which updates config.sub/guess simply? | 05:29 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: i have to rerun aclocal and automake with 1.7 | 05:30 |
| \sh | i could do an aclocal etc. in the rules file, but this is not nice | 05:30 |
| bob2 | \sh: run it yourself before the .diff.gz is generated, and it will get included in there | 05:39 |
| bob2 | then you have an ugly diff but a working program | 05:39 |
| bob2 | then you beat upstream until they update | 05:39 |
| \sh | bob2: no...I'm doing it another way...using clean tar.gz and work the changes in and diff it and put those patches to debian-sourcedir | 05:40 |
| bob2 | ok, same deal | 05:40 |
| bob2 | the last step is the same, anyway ;p | 05:40 |
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| zul | hey | 06:23 |
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| Nafallo | hi all! | 06:31 |
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| zyga | hello | 07:03 |
| zyga | is anybody else under the impression that firefox crashes like crazy lately? | 07:04 |
| ogra | zyga, only on amd64 | 07:04 |
| zyga | ogra: I'm running amd64 | 07:04 |
| zul | hmmm...planet.gnome.org change the layout | 07:04 |
| zyga | ogra: why amd64? some library is messed up? | 07:05 |
| ogra | zyga, no idea... | 07:05 |
| ogra | zyga, but i switched back to mozilla-firefox for now.... | 07:05 |
| ogra | (on amd64 at least, on the other arches it works fine) | 07:05 |
| zyga | ogra: I'll wait as usual | 07:06 |
| zyga | ogra: besides I'm too scared of updates ATM | 07:06 |
| eruin | any rosetta people here? | 07:27 |
| Kamion | #launchpad | 07:27 |
| eruin | cheers | 07:27 |
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| Kamion | (if they're not there, they probably won't be here :-)) | 07:27 |
| AndyR | afternoon all | 07:28 |
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| pitti | trulux: here? | 08:31 |
| trulux | pitti: yup | 08:31 |
| pitti | cool, how are you? | 08:31 |
| pitti | trulux: any news? | 08:31 |
| trulux | pitti: fine, well, tired but good at least. yep, some | 08:33 |
| trulux | I'm about to upload some packages | 08:33 |
| trulux | pitti: and I'm porting krsec to 2.6.12-rc4 | 08:34 |
| trulux | pitti: pretty straight forward | 08:34 |
| trulux | pitti: BTW, I will send the spec today | 08:35 |
| pitti | yeah, no big deal, but it is easier if I don't have to do it over and over again | 08:35 |
| trulux | pitti: we can't wait more for it | 08:35 |
| trulux | pitti: done | 08:40 |
| mdke | hi pitti | 08:40 |
| pitti | hi mdke | 08:41 |
| mdke | did you get anywhere with update.mozilla.org? | 08:41 |
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| trulux | pitti: the patch is updated in pearls.tux... | 08:44 |
| pitti | mdke: no, I didn't deal with that so far | 08:44 |
| trulux | pitti: next, how do you want to deal with the packages? | 08:44 |
| mdke | pitti, i wondered if it would be worthwhile opening a bug, so people can track the problem | 08:45 |
| pitti | trulux: do you have the full URL? I'm on my laptop ATM and don't have my desktop history | 08:45 |
| pitti | trulux: "the packages" == SELinux packages? | 08:45 |
| trulux | pitti: http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/patches/security/kern-security-1.patch | 08:45 |
| trulux | pitti: right | 08:45 |
| pitti | trulux: dpkg should be done by Keybuk, all other packages are fine for me to upload | 08:46 |
| pitti | trulux: we need to ask mdz tomorrow | 08:46 |
| pitti | trulux: is ajmitch fine with them? | 08:46 |
| pitti | trulux: patch looks fine | 08:47 |
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| trulux | pitti: thanks | 08:48 |
| trulux | pitti: one sec, door knocking | 08:48 |
| mdke | pitti, ah np there is a bug already | 08:49 |
| mdke | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10986 | 08:49 |
| KaiL | that guy didn't test 1.0.4? ;) | 08:51 |
| pitti | hm? | 08:51 |
| KaiL | I got some VERY bad comments about Firefox 1.0.4, seams to be unable to install some extensions | 08:51 |
| mdke | KaiL, that guy is running hoary | 08:52 |
| KaiL | jup | 08:52 |
| trulux | pitti: back | 08:53 |
| pitti | trulux: there is a typo | 08:54 |
| pitti | +#ifndef CCONFIG_KERN_SECURITY_BOOT_PARAM_VALUE | 08:54 |
| pitti | +#define CONFIG_KERN_SECURITY_BOOT_PARAM_VALUE 1 | 08:54 |
| pitti | trulux: mind the "CCONFIG" | 08:55 |
| trulux | pitti: argh | 08:55 |
| trulux | pitti: yup | 08:55 |
| pitti | trulux: no worries, I corrected it | 08:55 |
| pitti | trulux: kernel is building | 08:56 |
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| pitti | Hi ska-fan | 08:58 |
| trulux | pitti: fixed version uplaoded | 09:00 |
| pitti | typo day? :-) | 09:00 |
| ska-fan | pitti: hi | 09:00 |
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| trulux | pitti: I'm not drunk. I promise. | 09:03 |
| trulux | pitti: ;P | 09:04 |
| pitti | hehe | 09:04 |
| robertj | "You've been out all night not drinking again!" | 09:24 |
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| trulux | pitti: there? | 09:53 |
| pitti | trulux: barely... | 09:53 |
| trulux | pitti: who was that python, pygtk / gnome hacker that you told me I could ask for help/work together? | 09:53 |
| pitti | trulux: just ask at u-devel ML | 09:53 |
| trulux | OK, thanks | 09:53 |
| trulux | pitti: I will send you an email when the packages get uplaoded and the like | 09:54 |
| trulux | pitti: will upload the spec. too, is that OK? | 09:54 |
| pitti | sure, thanks | 09:54 |
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| mxpxpod | how would I just build the powerpc kernel packages w/o building power3/power4 using dpkg-buildpackage? | 10:40 |
| mxpxpod | fabbione: ping | 10:44 |
| crimsun | mxpxpod: just delete all the configs except for powerpc | 11:02 |
| mxpxpod | crimsun: ah, cool | 11:02 |
| mxpxpod | crimsun: in the debian/config/powerpc dir, right? | 11:03 |
| crimsun | yes | 11:03 |
| mxpxpod | thanks | 11:03 |
| crimsun | np | 11:06 |
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| GheRivero | res | 11:32 |
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