[12:02] <justdave> I don't see anything that looks like it did, and due to the nature of the exploit it wouldn't be safe for me to just assume that anyone using Ubuntu has updated...
[12:04] <elmo> justdave: I don't know off hand, but thom made the changes, easiest might be to mail him
[12:10] <justdave> ok, thanks
[12:24] <seb128> elmo: anything using gal2.2 and gtkhtml3.2 atm?
[12:46] <robertj> seb128: do you know if 2004's bounty budget got rolled over into 2005?
[12:46] <seb128> no idea
[12:47] <robertj> am I out of the loop or have bounties been pretty quiet lately?
[12:57] <seb128> robertj: I don't really knows about bounties, probably want to speak to jdub
[12:57] <seb128> or mdz
[01:10] <jdub> justdave: ping
[01:11] <justdave> jdub: pong
[01:11] <jdub> justdave: hey, you were asking about version number wrt addons.mozilla
[01:11] <jdub> justdave: can't answer the question, but i did have the same problem
[01:11] <jdub> justdave: do you ask because you hit it yourself, or because you've got feedback about it?
[01:12] <justdave> because we got feedback about it
[01:12] <jdub> cool :-)
[01:12] <justdave> people are like "but I already upgraded, how come I still can't get in?"
[01:12] <justdave> nobody bumped the version number so we have no way to tell from server-side
[01:13] <justdave> hit http://www-stage.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/ using the Ubuntu version of Firefox
[01:13] <justdave> I just added that message at the bottom if it has the Ubuntu useragent
[01:13] <lu|away> but, like, you don't seriously expect to hand-code exceptions on the server every time someone backports bugfixes and releases a new version on a stable branch?
[01:14] <justdave> no, I'd rather get the version number fixed in the package. :)
[01:14] <justdave> Ubuntu seems to be the only distro (that I've heard anything about) that didn't update the version number when they pushed the security fixes.
[01:15] <seb128> mandriva too I think
[01:18] <mjg59> justdave: But it /is/ version 1.0.2
[01:18] <mjg59> It's just a version of 1.0.2 that doesn't have the known security issues
[01:18] <justdave> 1.0.x supposedly only gets security and stability fixes, so it's hard to imagine what would have got left out by backporting the patches aside from the version number :)
[01:18] <mjg59> We don't backport stability fixes
[01:19] <justdave> ah, so "secure but still crashes" :)
[01:19] <mjg59> Stable releases get security fixes and nothing else (which means that some programs are broken, but they're broken in a consistent way...)
[01:19] <wasabi_> *yawn*
[01:19] <wasabi_> i've always been curious about that policy.
[01:20] <mjg59> So bumping the version number isn't reasonable, because that would imply that it's something that it isn't
[01:20] <wasabi_> Is it because of lack of manpower to insure backwards compatibility, or some higher philosophical reasoning like usual
[01:20] <mjg59> It's hard to be certain that a bugfix does nothing other than fix the bug
[01:21] <justdave> yeah, for the record, 1.0.3 did break stuff (which was fixed again in 1.0.4) as well as fixing the security issues
[01:21] <wasabi_> I'm sure there are times.
[01:21] <mjg59> With security fixes, we have no choice - it's better to break the software than to leave it insecure
[01:21] <wasabi_> But I see the point. It is a man power issue.
[01:21] <seb128> no
[01:21] <wasabi_> If you had enough man power to throw at "making sure", such as any commercial vendor does.
[01:21] <justdave> but in 1.0.3's case, it was the security patch itself that broke things
[01:22] <mjg59> wasabi_: Microsoft consistently break stuff with Windows service packs
[01:22] <mjg59> It's not a manpower thing. It's a *hard problem*
[01:22] <wasabi_> Frankly it's not as bad as you make it out to be.
[01:22] <wasabi_> I'd rather have a crash fixed.
[01:22] <justdave> and if the "fix the problem we created in 1.0.3" patch (which wouldn't have been labelled as security) wasn't backported in addition to the 1.0.4 security patches, then you have a crashy browser
[01:22] <wasabi_> <--- win admin. =/
[01:23] <mjg59> justdave: Right, so specific cases are obviously more awkward than the general one :)
[01:23] <mjg59> justdave: But it would be good to be able to signify that a vendor release has been patched without making life awkward for upstream
[01:26] <justdave> looks like it's actually claiming to be 1.0
[01:26] <justdave> Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.2)
[01:27] <justdave> that's what it says in the UserAgent
[01:27] <justdave> you could tack the package revision on the end of the one inside the Ubuntu package section
[01:28] <justdave> (Ubuntu package 1.0.2-0ubuntu5)
[01:28] <wasabi_> wait are we talking about a stupid user agent check on a web site?
[01:28] <justdave> yes.
[01:28] <wasabi_> make the web site fix itself.
[01:29] <justdave> it's a stupid way to check versions, but it's the only way to do it without sending content from the site.
[01:29] <justdave> it's a security issue.
[01:29] <justdave> the site is whitelisted by default for extension installs.
[01:29] <justdave> if you can load it in an iframe, it can be exploited.
[01:29] <wasabi_> sounds like a pretty crappy security system. ;)
[01:29] <justdave> so if your UserAgent says you're running a vulnerable version, you get redirected to another domain that's not in the default whitelist.
[01:30] <justdave> (which short-circuits the exploits)
[01:30] <wasabi_> i don't get it.
[01:30] <wasabi_> sounds like extensions should be signed.
[01:30] <justdave> yeah, they're working on that.
[01:30] <justdave> it'll probably work that way in 1.1
[01:30] <wasabi_> Cool. =)
[01:33] <CarlFK> I 'think' I am onto a bug in Hoary's network config stuff - OK if I ask for some help here if I promice to bugzil,la it if it is?
[01:35] <CarlFK> not to mention my GF is gonig to be pissed if I can't get this fixed before she leaves for school with the box
[01:54] <CarlFK> i think i am hitting https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8921
[01:54] <CarlFK> im off to take a shower...
[01:59] <ogra> hmm, the acer 1520 has no IPW2200 (intel), it has a IPN 2220 (cisco, no linux driver yet) i wonder what the guy is doing there
[02:06] <amu> bite in the notebook?
[02:06] <ogra> heh
[02:08] <amu> punishment enough, if you must work with a acer 
[02:08] <ogra> agreed... thats my last acer :)
[02:41] <daniels> Kamion: so what do I need to do to arrange an xorg upload to hoary-updates?
[03:23] <lamont_r> log files are now .gz files
[03:24] <jp_> cool
[03:24] <jp_> =)
[03:24] <jp_> <-!
[03:24] <lamont_r> getting elmo to add the content type is left as an exercise for the europe croud
[03:24] <lamont_r> crowd, even
[03:24] <ogra> hmm... so my script wont work anymore...
[03:25] <lamont_r> :-(
[03:25] <lamont_r> just make it understand both extensions...
[03:52] <lamont_r> right then.  homeward bound
[03:53] <wasabi> i must have been one of the only people who used to like Debian's iptables init script
[03:56] <crimsun> I used it, too
[03:56] <Lathiat> yeh so did i
[03:56] <Lathiat> its not that bad really, i didnt se ethe issue with it.
[03:56] <wasabi> it was stupid simple, which is why I liked it
[03:56] <Lathiat> i just recreated it. :)
[04:18] <ogra> lamont, fixed :)
[04:19] <lamont> ogra: coolness.  Is this something that could drop onto people easily?>
[04:19] <lamont> hrm.. might be security-policy issues with that though...
[04:20] <ogra> i guess so... but still, big files will load slowly...so there should be a extra download button...
[04:20] <ogra> i'll talk to pitti about it
[04:20] <ogra> hwdb.ubuntu.com runs a similar script which was ok for pitti after some small changes
[04:22] <tseng> ogra, up late
[04:22] <ogra> yeah.... my GF os moaning she wants to go to bed...
[04:22] <ogra> i think i'll do my last dogwalk now, night all
[04:23] <tseng> bye ogra 
[04:23] <LinuxJones> bye
[04:23] <jnc> ogra: "my GF os ..."
[04:23] <ogra> is
[04:23] <ogra> :)
[04:23] <jnc> now now.... ubuntu is nice, must you really make it your girlfriend
[04:23] <jnc> :-P
[04:23] <jnc> *kidding*
[04:23] <ogra> heh
[05:10] <bluefoxicy> Bus 005 Device 006: ID 05e3:0710 Genesys Logic, Inc.
[05:10] <bluefoxicy> this is a USB mass storage device.
[05:10] <bluefoxicy> it's supposed to work in Linux
[05:11] <bluefoxicy> oh, it is now, wow.
[05:13] <bluefoxicy> UH.
[05:13] <bluefoxicy> "since gparted can be a weapon of mass destruction only root can run it
[05:14] <bluefoxicy> can't I take caps away and drop to nonroot, then exec gparted?  o_o  (in lieu of just rewriting thec ode)
[05:24] <Lathiat> I've entirely got to stop upgrading breezy/xorg
[05:25] <Lathiat> daniels: /etc/X11/X -> [broken] /usr/bin/X11/Xorg
[05:25] <Lathiat> heh
[05:25] <Lathiat> i think i should reinstall and go back to hoary
[05:25] <jdub> Lathiat: dude, just don't log out or reboot :-)
[05:25] <Lathiat> jdub: heh
[05:26] <jdub> on laptop or desktop :)
[05:26] <Lathiat> it was finely bumpy until the X stuff. :)
[05:26] <Lathiat> jdub: see my suspend is farked
[05:28] <jdub> suspend? SUSPEND?
[05:28] <jdub> you build your house on a bed of sand!
[05:30] <jdub> any norwegian speakers in the house?
[05:30] <jdub> Mithrandir: around?
[05:40] <jdub> ha ha
[05:40] <jdub> http://linuxman.blogsome.com/images/ganador_ubuntu.jpg
[05:41] <dilinger> ubunticola!
[05:55] <fabbione> morning
[05:56] <crimsun> morning
[05:58] <Lathiat> e
[06:54] <lu|sleep> ubunticos!
[06:55] <lu|sleep> (misuse, but whatever)
[06:55] <lu|sleep> (night)
[08:47] <Treenaks> how do I compile a debug version of a CDBS package?
[08:48] <crimsun> you want to pass nostrip to DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS
[08:49] <Treenaks> ok
[09:10] (Treenaks/#ubuntu-devel) uh, wb all?
[09:13] <Treenaks> wow.. what happened?
[09:14] <KaiL> NetSplit
[09:14] <KaiL> oh ;)
[09:14] <KaiL> -
[09:14] <crimsun> network server upgrades
[10:17] <toresbe> Mirv: Ping?
[10:21] <toresbe> tja: pin
[10:21] <toresbe> g
[10:25] <tja> yes?
[10:26] <toresbe> tja: Can I msg you? It's a bit OT :)
[10:26] <tja> hit it
[11:38] <hunger> Hi! Anyone got X working again after yesterdays upgrade?
[11:39] <hunger> xprint does no longer work (wrong font path), xdm does not work (wrong path to binary in init-script).
[11:42] <hunger>  /etc/X11/X points to a non-existing directory
[11:43] <bob2> yes, welcome to the development branch!
[11:43] <bob2> the fix is in the bts
[11:43] <\sh> deja vu
[11:43] <\sh> but for me it's Xlib.h ;)
[11:43] <\sh> and I'm not complaining...
[11:43] <hunger> bob2: Good:-)
[11:44] <hunger> \sh: I am not complaining either?
[11:44] <\sh> hunger: adjust the font paths...
[11:44] <hunger> \sh I just wanted to point out the problems I am seeing while I am not able to get into the bugtracker to report them.
[11:45] <hunger> \sh: Did that already.
[11:46] <hunger> \sh xprint has some settings different from those in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:46] <\sh> normally Xlib.h should be in /usr/include/X11/ and not anymore in /usr/X11R6/include/X11 
[11:46] <\sh> think i need some coffee to get this confusion out of my brain
[11:47] <hunger_> What is the purpose of this X-reorganization anyway?
[11:47] <hunger_> Making room for /usr/X11R7 ?
[11:48] <\sh> i think just because we have now two free implementations of X11..xfree86 and xorg
[11:48] <tja> hunger: no, getting rid of /usr/X11* altogether
[11:49] <bob2> except no one uses XFree86 anymore
[11:49] <hunger> \sh: There is no xorg in the path...
[11:50] <hunger> tja: The amount of stuff in /usr/X11R6 has not changed so far.
[11:51] <hunger> tja: It is only that /usr/bin/X11 etc. went missing.
[11:52] <tja> stuff is being migrated bit by bit
[11:53] <\sh> morning pitti
[11:53] <pitti> Hi folks
[11:53] <\sh> but something went mad after the update this morning
[11:56] <Mithrandir> jdub: pong
[11:57] <hunger> Hi pitti.
[12:01] <pitti> trulux: here?
[12:06] <Treenaks> pitti: hi
[12:32] <ajmitch> hi pitti 
[12:34] <xe||> hi
[12:34] <xe||> thanks very much for fixing kopete that fast, ubuntu rocks!
[12:48] <daniels> Lathiat: uhm, /usr/bin/X11 is still a directory on my ... oh shit
[12:48] <daniels> Lathiat: good catch, thanks
[01:04] <daniels> thom: so, I think the way to reproduce my firefox crash is, start with about 10-15 tabs, then open something like www.theage.com.au and news.bbc.co.uk, and just open a bajillion links in new tabs
[01:04] <daniels> thom: that seems to screw it up prett reliably
[01:04] <daniels> hunger_: what sort of trouble?  is it related to fonts or keyboard?
[01:05] <hunger_> daniels: No, more to x not starting at all due to broken pathes all over the place
[01:08] <daniels> that's well-known
[01:08] <daniels> we're in the middle of a huge path transition for xorg
[01:09] <hunger_> daniels: I know.
[01:09] <hunger_> daniels: But when you break my system you will get bugreports. Just so things will not get forgotten.
[01:10] <hunger_> daniels: And even in unstable X should work IMHO, independent of ongoing changes. You are giving out the packages to get feedback, aren't you?
[01:12] <daniels> hunger_: trust me, it's not been forgotten
[01:12] <daniels> and no, breezy isn't necessarily supposed to always be usable
[01:12] <hunger_> daniels: Good:-)
[01:12] <tepsipakki> people are spoiled by sid
[01:12] <daniels> it's just that I don't have the resources to fix it right now
[01:13] <daniels> if you're not comfortable fixing breakages like this, right now you shouldn't be using breezy
[01:13] <hunger_> daniels: It is not supposed to be useable or it may become broken at anytime?
[01:14] <hunger_> daniels: I am comfortable fixing the fallout. I am running X again.
[01:15] <hunger_> daniels: I do not mind running a distri that may break at any point in time. If the distri is meant to be broken, then I may need to look around for something else though.
[01:16] <mjg59> hunger_: We have a nice stable distribution called "hoary"
[01:16] <mjg59> Breezy is under active development. The priority is to ensure that stuff will work at release time, not to ensure that it works at any intermediate point
[01:16] <mjg59> Prioritisation means that something may remain broken for some time
[01:16] <hunger_> mjg59: Yeah... but I am an apt-addict;-)
[01:16] <hunger_> mjg59: That is fine for me!
[01:17] <mjg59> So, currently, X is broken because other things need to be worked on and have a higher priority
[01:17] <hunger_> mjg59: I will write bugreports and fix stuff for myself.
[01:18] <hunger_> mjg59: I am not complaining (sorry if that is what I sound like), I was just reporting my findings in case they were not yet known.
[01:18] <hunger_> mjg59: OK, I doubt that "x does no longer start" was not noticed before;-)
[01:21] <mjg59> hunger: Heh. Sure, that's no problem.
[01:23] <hunger> tepsipakki: I have used other unstable distris apart from sid... which indeed does spoil people.
[01:33] <tepsipakki> hunger: the other distros or sid?
[01:33] <hunger> tepsipakki: sid spoiled me.
[01:33] <tepsipakki> me too
[01:33] <tepsipakki> breezy is better ;)
[01:34] <tepsipakki> keeps you on your toes
[01:34] <daniels> it's more fun
[01:34] <tepsipakki> right on
[01:34] <tseng> "what is daniels going to break today?"
[01:34] <tseng> its always a suprise
[01:35] <hunger> tepsipakki: If you want broken unstables... try gentoo.
[01:35] <tepsipakki> nooo, never
[01:35] <hunger> tepsipakki: with having to build the broken stuff for yourself all the time that distri is really painful.
[01:39] <tepsipakki> heh
[01:39] <tepsipakki> i bet
[01:39] <hunger> tepsipakki: feels a bit like digging your own grave...
[01:40] <tepsipakki> "I'm off hunting... my own foot!"
[01:43] <hunger> But well, that is probably just me again...
[01:44] <tseng> if you install a service intentionally, theres a good chance you want to run it
[01:44] <tseng> if not, you can update-rc.d
[01:44] <tseng> optimize for the common case dudes
[01:45] <hunger> tseng: As I said: probably just me again:-)
[01:45] <hunger> tseng: I install lots of stuff that I need in this or that network but not the others.
[01:45] <tseng> oh
[01:46] <tseng> you need NetworkMagic
[01:46] <tseng> with more *MAGIC*
[01:46] <hunger> tseng: Just trimmed down the rc-dirs by 15 entries that are not needed everywhere.
[01:46] <tseng> http://tseng.ath.cx/galleries/udu/mq/img-23.jpg
[01:47] <tseng> on idea for network magic is to be able to start/stop services
[01:47] <tseng> depending on the connection
[01:47] <hunger> tseng: Should work... the normal debian scripts can do that!
[01:48] <tseng> I mean.. magically
[01:49] <hunger> tseng: I have my wlan configured based on available APs with the normal /etc/network/interfaces mechanismns.
[01:49] <hunger> tseng: For some reason they are ignored in ubuntu afaict.
[01:49] <tseng> eh if you know what you are talking about, it sounds like bug report material
[01:49] <tseng> i dont use debian.
[01:50] <hunger> tseng: I put the necessary stuff on the wiki.
[01:52] <tseng> http://tseng.ath.cx/photos/index.php?galerie=udu&snimek=31&exif_style=&show_thumbs=
[01:52] <tseng> this is why your X is broken
[01:52] <hunger> tseng: Because of STRANGE people grinning into the camera? ;-)
[01:53] <tseng> one strange scruffy person
[01:53] <daniels> hey, I'm not scruffy
[01:54] <hunger> tseng: So basically you all sat together and decided to break my computer? ;-)
[01:54] <daniels> nor am I grinning
[01:54] <Mithrandir> hunger: yes.  We call it development.
[01:54] <Mithrandir> :)
[01:54] <daniels> Mithrandir: 'progress'
[01:54] <Mithrandir> daniels: that too.
[01:54] <bob2> hey, you didn't use to be scruffy
[01:54] <hunger> Mithrandir: Good answer;-)
[01:54] <bob2> but after ols...
[01:55] <daniels> bob2: ... my hair was very close-cropped
[01:55] <hunger> tseng: Do you have some pics of the board, etc.?
[01:55] <tseng> hunger: which board?
[01:55] <bob2> daniels: I'm not talking hair
[01:55] <daniels> bob2: i had my beard before OLS
[01:55] <bob2> hm, ok
[01:55] <bob2> I'll blame palais, then
[01:55] <daniels> bob2: i've had it since about last January
[01:55] <hunger> tseng: the whiteboard.
[01:55] <bob2> it seems to encourage dodgy beards
[01:56] <tseng> hunger: yes its the next shot or the one after for network magic
[01:56] <daniels> since before I'd visited the palais :P
[01:56] <tseng> hunger: you can get a full page of thumb nails
[01:56] <hunger> tseng: Yes, found a couple already.
[01:58] <daniels> bob2: http://people.freedesktop.org/~daniels/albums/syd-jul2004/aan.sized.jpg
[01:58] <hunger> Is there a reason for not running ntpdate via /etc/network/if-up.d instead of in rcS.d?
[01:59] <Mithrandir> hunger: it'll all be fairly redone for breezy.
[01:59] <Mithrandir> look at the UdevRaces spec
[01:59] <daniels> bob2: (and my hackergotchi was from april-ish last year)
[01:59] <bob2> daniels: oh yeah, I was at the giant phallus pizza party
[02:00] <hunger> Mithrandir: Basically all network services could be started via if-up.d/if-down.d...
[02:00] <daniels> bob2: abh in that gallery is le amore pascal
[02:00] <bob2> ahhhh, good times
[02:01] <bob2> daniels: cabal.!
[02:02] <Kamion> daniels: hoary-updates> upload, send me/mdz the diff for approval
[02:02] <daniels> Kamion: 'kay
[02:03] <daniels> Kamion: will email the diff, but it's not the most complex: http://cvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/i810/i830_driver.c?r1=1.15&r2=1.16
[02:05] <Kamion> a rationale for the X-illiterate among us would be nice, too. :)
[02:06] <elmo> actually, if you could get the upload approved _before_ uploading it, that'd make my life easier
[02:06] <Kamion> oh, ok
[02:07] <daniels> Kamion: ok, so it reads the clocks out of DDC to validate modes against
[02:07] <Kamion> didn't know it made a significant difference, barring queue/accepted/ noise
[02:07] <daniels> Kamion: but the initialiser for DDCClock is in the wrong place, so you basically end up with 640x480 on Intel desktop chipsets.  it's #7878.
[02:07] <elmo> Kamion: queue/accepted isn't designed to have stuff removed out from under it; the current hoary-updates mechanism is a gross hack done through necessity
[02:09] <Kamion> daniels: [reads references]  ok, that's fine by me, go ahead and upload
[02:09] <daniels> Kamion: cheers
[02:11] <tuhl> any hints when X will work again in breezy?
[02:12] <fabbione> tuhl: uh? never.. we are going back to framebuffer console...
[02:13] <fabbione> ;)
[02:13] <pitti> fabbione: ++
[02:13] <fabbione> pitti: ehheh
[02:13] <tuhl> fabbione: :-)
[02:13] <pitti> that's part of GettingRidOfTheDesktop
[02:13] <fabbione> ahaha
[02:19] <bod> Kamion: awake?
[02:19] <ajmitch> pitti: so how does that go along with CommandLineDisintegration? :)
[02:19] <Kamion> bod: yep
[02:19] <pitti> ajmitch: DirectBrain(tm) connection only
[02:20] <ajmitch> sounds nice & secure 
[02:20] <pitti> ajmitch: yeah, solves all authentication problems :)
[02:21] <fabbione> and if you get brainr00t3d?
[02:21] <fabbione> are you going to end up like Mr Bean?
[02:21] <pitti> no regression, the attacker can get your passwords out of your brain, too :-)
[02:22] <bob2> hahaha
[02:22] <bob2> glad pitti's in charge of security ;p
[02:22] <Kamion> elmo: could you sync perl 5.8.6-1 from experimental, please? (it's only there due to Debian freeze policies)
[02:25] <fabbione> Kamion ++ for extra crack :)
[02:27] <Burgundavia> when is breezy UVF?
[02:27] <fabbione> hey _infinity 
[02:28] <pitti> Hi _infinity 
[02:29] <pitti> short visit...
[02:32] <Kamion> elmo: libdb1-compat seems to have been incorrectly demoted to universe in warty and hoary
[02:32] <Kamion> Burgundavia: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCycle
[02:33] <Kamion> release - 14 weeks
[02:33] <Burgundavia> Kamion, thanks, couldn't find it
[04:03] <elmo> Kamion: eh? there are symlinks for it
[04:05] <Kamion> elmo: oh, ok. somebody was complaining about debootstrap failing on libdb1-compat
[04:05] <Kamion> are the symlinks recent?
[04:05] <elmo> May 21 22:23
[04:05] <Kamion> ah
[04:06] <Kamion> ok, thanks
[04:21] <seb128> elmo: is anything using gal2.2/gtkhtml3.2 ?
[04:23] <jdub> morning seb128 
[04:23] <seb128> hey jdub 
[04:24] <jdub> having a nice, relaxing sunday morning? :)
[04:24] <jdub> we had a eurovision party tonight
[04:24] <seb128> I slept until 11am, so yes :)
[04:24] <jdub> the french act was merde :)
[04:24] <seb128> roh
[04:25] <jdub> don't worry, the UK act was complete bollocks ;)
[04:25] <seb128> I watched the local soccer team winning 3-2 yesterday, much better than the crappy eurovision :p
[04:25] <Burgundavia> not surprisingly (haven never seen it), the pretty girl won
[04:29] <elmo> seb128: not gal2.2, I demoted that a while ago
[04:30] <elmo> and gtkhtml3.2's in universe too
[04:30] <seb128> ie: is that ok to drop them?
[04:30] <seb128> I've asked some time ago and abiword was still using that IIRC
[04:30] <elmo> Checking reverse dependencies...
[04:30] <elmo> No dependency problem found.
[04:30] <seb128> k, please drop them so
[04:30] <seb128> thanks
[04:31] <elmo> removed
[04:42] <lifeless> elmo: ping
[04:50] <trulux> heya folks
[04:56] <trulux> mdz: ping
[04:56] <Kamion> mdz's on vacation
[05:07] <trulux> Kamion: lucky man
[05:07] <trulux> :)
[05:20] <\sh> guys i have a little problem
[05:22] <\sh> arkrpg doesn't want to compile with the actual settings in the source...so I removed config.sub and config.guess from the actual source and rerun aclocal/automake-1.7 ; autoconf now it would compile the right way..but what is the best way to get diffs for it now?
[05:24] <Mithrandir> if the problem is just config.sub/guess, just update those from /usr/share/misc
[05:24] <\sh> Mithrandir: done...but i need to provide some patches for cdbs simple-patchsys
[05:25] <\sh> and the patches already in the patches dir must be applied before that
[05:26] <\sh> or should i do the replacement in debian/rules?
[05:29] <Mithrandir> add a patch which updates config.sub/guess simply?
[05:30] <\sh> Mithrandir: i have to rerun aclocal and automake with 1.7
[05:30] <\sh> i could do an aclocal etc. in the rules file, but this is not nice
[05:39] <bob2> \sh: run it yourself before the .diff.gz is generated, and it will get included in there
[05:39] <bob2> then you have an ugly diff but a working program
[05:39] <bob2> then you beat upstream until they update
[05:40] <\sh> bob2: no...I'm doing it another way...using clean tar.gz and work the changes in and diff it and put those patches to debian-sourcedir
[05:40] <bob2> ok, same deal
[05:40] <bob2> the last step is the same, anyway ;p
[06:23] <zul> hey
[06:31] <Nafallo> hi all!
[07:03] <zyga> hello
[07:04] <zyga> is anybody else under the impression that firefox crashes like crazy lately?
[07:04] <ogra> zyga, only on amd64
[07:04] <zyga> ogra: I'm running amd64
[07:04] <zul> hmmm...planet.gnome.org change the layout
[07:05] <zyga> ogra: why amd64? some library is messed up?
[07:05] <ogra> zyga, no idea...
[07:05] <ogra> zyga, but i switched back to mozilla-firefox for now....
[07:05] <ogra> (on amd64 at least, on the other arches it works fine)
[07:06] <zyga> ogra: I'll wait as usual
[07:06] <zyga> ogra: besides I'm too scared of updates ATM
[07:27] <eruin> any rosetta people here?
[07:27] <Kamion> #launchpad
[07:27] <eruin> cheers
[07:27] <Kamion> (if they're not there, they probably won't be here :-))
[07:28] <AndyR> afternoon all
[08:31] <pitti> trulux: here?
[08:31] <trulux> pitti: yup
[08:31] <pitti> cool, how are you?
[08:31] <pitti> trulux: any news?
[08:33] <trulux> pitti: fine, well, tired but good at least. yep, some
[08:33] <trulux> I'm about to upload some packages
[08:34] <trulux> pitti: and I'm porting krsec to 2.6.12-rc4
[08:34] <trulux> pitti: pretty straight forward
[08:35] <trulux> pitti: BTW, I will send the spec today
[08:35] <pitti> yeah, no big deal, but it is easier if I don't have to do it over and over again
[08:35] <trulux> pitti: we can't wait more for it
[08:40] <trulux> pitti: done
[08:40] <mdke> hi pitti 
[08:41] <pitti> hi mdke 
[08:41] <mdke> did you get anywhere with update.mozilla.org?
[08:44] <trulux> pitti: the patch is updated in pearls.tux...
[08:44] <pitti> mdke: no, I didn't deal with that so far
[08:44] <trulux> pitti: next, how do you want to deal with the packages?
[08:45] <mdke> pitti, i wondered if it would be worthwhile opening a bug, so people can track the problem
[08:45] <pitti> trulux: do you have the full URL? I'm on my laptop ATM and don't have my desktop history
[08:45] <pitti> trulux: "the packages" == SELinux packages?
[08:45] <trulux> pitti: http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/patches/security/kern-security-1.patch
[08:45] <trulux> pitti: right
[08:46] <pitti> trulux: dpkg should be done by Keybuk, all other packages are fine for me to upload
[08:46] <pitti> trulux: we need to ask mdz tomorrow
[08:46] <pitti> trulux: is ajmitch fine with them?
[08:47] <pitti> trulux: patch looks fine
[08:48] <trulux> pitti: thanks
[08:48] <trulux> pitti: one sec, door knocking
[08:49] <mdke> pitti, ah np there is a bug already
[08:49] <mdke> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10986
[08:51] <KaiL> that guy didn't test 1.0.4? ;)
[08:51] <pitti> hm?
[08:51] <KaiL> I got some VERY bad comments about Firefox 1.0.4, seams to be unable to install some extensions
[08:52] <mdke> KaiL, that guy is running hoary
[08:52] <KaiL> jup
[08:53] <trulux> pitti: back
[08:54] <pitti> trulux: there is a typo
[08:54] <pitti> +#ifndef CCONFIG_KERN_SECURITY_BOOT_PARAM_VALUE
[08:54] <pitti> +#define CONFIG_KERN_SECURITY_BOOT_PARAM_VALUE 1
[08:55] <pitti> trulux: mind the "CCONFIG"
[08:55] <trulux> pitti: argh
[08:55] <trulux> pitti: yup
[08:55] <pitti> trulux: no worries, I corrected it
[08:56] <pitti> trulux: kernel is building
[08:58] <pitti> Hi ska-fan 
[09:00] <trulux> pitti: fixed version uplaoded
[09:00] <pitti> typo day? :-)
[09:00] <ska-fan> pitti: hi
[09:03] <trulux> pitti: I'm not drunk. I promise.
[09:04] <trulux> pitti: ;P
[09:04] <pitti> hehe
[09:24] <robertj> "You've been out all night not drinking again!"
[09:53] <trulux> pitti: there?
[09:53] <pitti> trulux: barely...
[09:53] <trulux> pitti: who was that python, pygtk / gnome hacker that you told me I could ask for help/work together?
[09:53] <pitti> trulux: just ask at u-devel ML
[09:53] <trulux> OK, thanks
[09:54] <trulux> pitti: I will send you an email when the packages get uplaoded and the like
[09:54] <trulux> pitti: will upload the spec. too, is that OK?
[09:54] <pitti> sure, thanks
[10:40] <mxpxpod> how would I just build the powerpc kernel packages w/o building power3/power4 using dpkg-buildpackage?
[10:44] <mxpxpod> fabbione: ping
[11:02] <crimsun> mxpxpod: just delete all the configs except for powerpc
[11:02] <mxpxpod> crimsun: ah, cool
[11:03] <mxpxpod> crimsun: in the debian/config/powerpc dir, right?
[11:03] <crimsun> yes
[11:03] <mxpxpod> thanks
[11:06] <crimsun> np
[11:32] <GheRivero> res