[12:02] I don't see anything that looks like it did, and due to the nature of the exploit it wouldn't be safe for me to just assume that anyone using Ubuntu has updated... [12:04] justdave: I don't know off hand, but thom made the changes, easiest might be to mail him [12:10] ok, thanks === blahrus [~blahrus@12-223-50-121.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [~wasabi@207.55.180.100] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] elmo: anything using gal2.2 and gtkhtml3.2 atm? [12:46] seb128: do you know if 2004's bounty budget got rolled over into 2005? [12:46] no idea [12:47] am I out of the loop or have bounties been pretty quiet lately? === magnon [~magnon@magnon.photogeeks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] robertj: I don't really knows about bounties, probably want to speak to jdub [12:57] or mdz === Benoni [~liblit@adsl-68-73-107-98.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Benoni [~liblit@adsl-68-73-107-98.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:10] justdave: ping [01:11] jdub: pong [01:11] justdave: hey, you were asking about version number wrt addons.mozilla [01:11] justdave: can't answer the question, but i did have the same problem [01:11] justdave: do you ask because you hit it yourself, or because you've got feedback about it? [01:12] because we got feedback about it [01:12] cool :-) [01:12] people are like "but I already upgraded, how come I still can't get in?" [01:12] nobody bumped the version number so we have no way to tell from server-side [01:13] hit http://www-stage.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/ using the Ubuntu version of Firefox [01:13] I just added that message at the bottom if it has the Ubuntu useragent [01:13] but, like, you don't seriously expect to hand-code exceptions on the server every time someone backports bugfixes and releases a new version on a stable branch? [01:14] no, I'd rather get the version number fixed in the package. :) [01:14] Ubuntu seems to be the only distro (that I've heard anything about) that didn't update the version number when they pushed the security fixes. [01:15] mandriva too I think === ahuman01 [~ahuman01@141.152.253.158] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] justdave: But it /is/ version 1.0.2 [01:18] It's just a version of 1.0.2 that doesn't have the known security issues [01:18] 1.0.x supposedly only gets security and stability fixes, so it's hard to imagine what would have got left out by backporting the patches aside from the version number :) [01:18] We don't backport stability fixes [01:19] ah, so "secure but still crashes" :) [01:19] Stable releases get security fixes and nothing else (which means that some programs are broken, but they're broken in a consistent way...) [01:19] *yawn* [01:19] i've always been curious about that policy. [01:20] So bumping the version number isn't reasonable, because that would imply that it's something that it isn't [01:20] Is it because of lack of manpower to insure backwards compatibility, or some higher philosophical reasoning like usual [01:20] It's hard to be certain that a bugfix does nothing other than fix the bug [01:21] yeah, for the record, 1.0.3 did break stuff (which was fixed again in 1.0.4) as well as fixing the security issues [01:21] I'm sure there are times. [01:21] With security fixes, we have no choice - it's better to break the software than to leave it insecure [01:21] But I see the point. It is a man power issue. [01:21] no [01:21] If you had enough man power to throw at "making sure", such as any commercial vendor does. [01:21] but in 1.0.3's case, it was the security patch itself that broke things [01:22] wasabi_: Microsoft consistently break stuff with Windows service packs [01:22] It's not a manpower thing. It's a *hard problem* [01:22] Frankly it's not as bad as you make it out to be. [01:22] I'd rather have a crash fixed. [01:22] and if the "fix the problem we created in 1.0.3" patch (which wouldn't have been labelled as security) wasn't backported in addition to the 1.0.4 security patches, then you have a crashy browser [01:22] <--- win admin. =/ [01:23] justdave: Right, so specific cases are obviously more awkward than the general one :) [01:23] justdave: But it would be good to be able to signify that a vendor release has been patched without making life awkward for upstream === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] looks like it's actually claiming to be 1.0 [01:26] Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.2) [01:27] that's what it says in the UserAgent === wasabi_ doesn't get it. === CarlFK [~juser@c-67-163-11-11.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] you could tack the package revision on the end of the one inside the Ubuntu package section [01:28] (Ubuntu package 1.0.2-0ubuntu5) [01:28] wait are we talking about a stupid user agent check on a web site? [01:28] yes. [01:28] make the web site fix itself. [01:29] it's a stupid way to check versions, but it's the only way to do it without sending content from the site. [01:29] it's a security issue. [01:29] the site is whitelisted by default for extension installs. [01:29] if you can load it in an iframe, it can be exploited. [01:29] sounds like a pretty crappy security system. ;) [01:29] so if your UserAgent says you're running a vulnerable version, you get redirected to another domain that's not in the default whitelist. [01:30] (which short-circuits the exploits) [01:30] i don't get it. [01:30] sounds like extensions should be signed. [01:30] yeah, they're working on that. [01:30] it'll probably work that way in 1.1 [01:30] Cool. =) [01:33] I 'think' I am onto a bug in Hoary's network config stuff - OK if I ask for some help here if I promice to bugzil,la it if it is? [01:35] not to mention my GF is gonig to be pissed if I can't get this fixed before she leaves for school with the box === lu|away is now known as lu|dinner === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] i think i am hitting https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8921 [01:54] im off to take a shower... === lamont_r [~lamont@phantom.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] hmm, the acer 1520 has no IPW2200 (intel), it has a IPN 2220 (cisco, no linux driver yet) i wonder what the guy is doing there [02:06] bite in the notebook? [02:06] heh [02:08] punishment enough, if you must work with a acer [02:08] agreed... thats my last acer :) === jp_ [~jp@200.85.201.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CarlK [~ck2@c-67-163-11-11.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Baby [~nena@baby.kavi.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] Kamion: so what do I need to do to arrange an xorg upload to hoary-updates? === elmo [~james@83-216-141-215.jamest298.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sto_ [~sto@224.Red-80-59-203.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jabra [~jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:23] log files are now .gz files [03:24] cool [03:24] =) [03:24] <-! [03:24] getting elmo to add the content type is left as an exercise for the europe croud [03:24] crowd, even [03:24] hmm... so my script wont work anymore... [03:25] :-( [03:25] just make it understand both extensions... === tronical [~shausman@rhea.troll.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LinuxJones [~willy@blk-222-221-81.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:52] right then. homeward bound [03:53] i must have been one of the only people who used to like Debian's iptables init script [03:56] I used it, too [03:56] yeh so did i [03:56] its not that bad really, i didnt se ethe issue with it. [03:56] it was stupid simple, which is why I liked it [03:56] i just recreated it. :) === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:18] lamont, fixed :) [04:19] ogra: coolness. Is this something that could drop onto people easily?> [04:19] hrm.. might be security-policy issues with that though... [04:20] i guess so... but still, big files will load slowly...so there should be a extra download button... [04:20] i'll talk to pitti about it [04:20] hwdb.ubuntu.com runs a similar script which was ok for pitti after some small changes [04:22] ogra, up late [04:22] yeah.... my GF os moaning she wants to go to bed... [04:22] i think i'll do my last dogwalk now, night all [04:23] bye ogra [04:23] bye [04:23] ogra: "my GF os ..." [04:23] is [04:23] :) [04:23] now now.... ubuntu is nice, must you really make it your girlfriend [04:23] :-P [04:23] *kidding* [04:23] heh === bluefoxicy [~bluefox@pcp0012067827pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:10] Bus 005 Device 006: ID 05e3:0710 Genesys Logic, Inc. [05:10] this is a USB mass storage device. [05:10] it's supposed to work in Linux [05:11] oh, it is now, wow. === bluefoxicy unplugged it and replugged it and switched to a pen drive repetedly and nothing o_x [05:13] UH. [05:13] "since gparted can be a weapon of mass destruction only root can run it [05:14] can't I take caps away and drop to nonroot, then exec gparted? o_o (in lieu of just rewriting thec ode) [05:24] I've entirely got to stop upgrading breezy/xorg [05:25] daniels: /etc/X11/X -> [broken] /usr/bin/X11/Xorg === crimsun pats his breezy pbuilder [05:25] heh [05:25] i think i should reinstall and go back to hoary [05:25] Lathiat: dude, just don't log out or reboot :-) [05:25] jdub: heh === jdub hasn't for days [05:26] on laptop or desktop :) [05:26] it was finely bumpy until the X stuff. :) [05:26] jdub: see my suspend is farked [05:28] suspend? SUSPEND? [05:28] you build your house on a bed of sand! === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-196-023.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:30] any norwegian speakers in the house? [05:30] Mithrandir: around? [05:40] ha ha [05:40] http://linuxman.blogsome.com/images/ganador_ubuntu.jpg [05:41] ubunticola! [05:55] morning [05:56] morning [05:58] e === lu|dinner is now known as lu|sleep [06:54] ubunticos! 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[08:48] you want to pass nostrip to DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS [08:49] ok === Treenaks has a nasty segfault in hald === jarjar9000 [~CoreTex@adsl-69-110-36-51.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jvw_ [jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RemoteVi1wer [~555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrand1r [~tfheen@vawad.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zomb [~eb@131.246.89.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> orwell.freenode.net === sgran_ [~steve@lobefin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === edd [dancer@aloo.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === toresbe [tsb@developer.skolelinux.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mirv [~tajyrink@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tja [~tjaalton@130.233.200.84] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CarlFK [~juser@c-67-163-11-11.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Micksa [~mslade@203-217-18-166.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubuntulog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | Ubuntu 5.04 is released! | MOM is awake! | Colony CD 1 released | gcc4 transition starting, breezy probably well broken, uploads of C++ packages restricted === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by doko at Tue May 17 18:26:45 2005 === kent [~kent@c-92c971d5.432-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zomb [~eb@x118.rhrk.uni-kl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dilinger [dilinger@mouth.voxel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-137-77-155.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-67-172-194-239.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [~milli@phantom.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] (Treenaks/#ubuntu-devel) uh, wb all? === JanC [~janc@JanC.member.lugwv] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tja [~tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _d4vid [~Adam@speeddev.vm.bytemark.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@220-253-34-14.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dato [~adeodato@84-120-77-228.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dieman [~dieman@3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tseng [~tseng@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mooch [~data@213.229.161.46] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [~corey@24.68.142.99] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blahrus [~blahrus@12-223-50-121.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bradb [~bradb@modemcable087.14-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === drbyte [~byte@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jvw [jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [~crimsun@dargo.trilug.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SEBest [~chatzilla@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dand [~dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [~robertj@66-188-77-153.cpe.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === svenl [~luther@AStrasbourg-251-1-51-64.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === justdave [~dave@66-227-241-236.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_d [~ogra@p5089C2BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-196-023.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] wow.. what happened? 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[10:26] tja: Can I msg you? It's a bit OT :) [10:26] hit it === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax9-155.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ferry [~ferry@cust.15.118.adsl.cistron.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [~james@203-59-121-200.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp231-201.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === p0m [wodann@203-206-26-210.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _p0m [wodann@203-206-26-210.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jseattle [~jseattle@adsl-69-153-193-141.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === p0m [wodann@203-206-26-210.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jammcq [~jam@pcp09022402pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.209.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xxenon [xxenon@81.13.238.141] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [~hunger@p54A677FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:38] Hi! Anyone got X working again after yesterdays upgrade? [11:39] xprint does no longer work (wrong font path), xdm does not work (wrong path to binary in init-script). [11:42] /etc/X11/X points to a non-existing directory [11:43] yes, welcome to the development branch! [11:43] the fix is in the bts [11:43] <\sh> deja vu [11:43] <\sh> but for me it's Xlib.h ;) [11:43] <\sh> and I'm not complaining... [11:43] bob2: Good:-) [11:44] \sh: I am not complaining either? [11:44] <\sh> hunger: adjust the font paths... [11:44] \sh I just wanted to point out the problems I am seeing while I am not able to get into the bugtracker to report them. === hunger_ [~hunger@p54A677FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] \sh: Did that already. === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-49-23.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] \sh xprint has some settings different from those in /etc/X11/xorg.conf [11:46] <\sh> normally Xlib.h should be in /usr/include/X11/ and not anymore in /usr/X11R6/include/X11 [11:46] <\sh> think i need some coffee to get this confusion out of my brain [11:47] What is the purpose of this X-reorganization anyway? [11:47] Making room for /usr/X11R7 ? === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:48] <\sh> i think just because we have now two free implementations of X11..xfree86 and xorg [11:48] hunger: no, getting rid of /usr/X11* altogether [11:49] except no one uses XFree86 anymore [11:49] \sh: There is no xorg in the path... [11:50] tja: The amount of stuff in /usr/X11R6 has not changed so far. [11:51] tja: It is only that /usr/bin/X11 etc. went missing. [11:52] stuff is being migrated bit by bit === pitti [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] <\sh> morning pitti [11:53] Hi folks [11:53] <\sh> but something went mad after the update this morning [11:56] jdub: pong [11:57] Hi pitti. [12:01] trulux: here? [12:06] pitti: hi === Treenaks points everyone at #11060 === hunger_ [~hunger@p54A677FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === susus [~sz@p5089CC1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@p5089CC1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_ is of to write bugreports about his recent trouble with X. === ogra_d [~ogra@p5089CC1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ska-fan [~ska-fan@dsl-082-082-199-173.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xe|| [~xell@chello080108045106.6.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] hi pitti [12:34] hi [12:34] thanks very much for fixing kopete that fast, ubuntu rocks! === tortoise_ [~tortoise@81-86-196-118.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] Lathiat: uhm, /usr/bin/X11 is still a directory on my ... oh shit [12:48] Lathiat: good catch, thanks === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mirak_ [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-49-23.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lathiat_ [~lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home [~Christian@82.127.81.96] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] thom: so, I think the way to reproduce my firefox crash is, start with about 10-15 tabs, then open something like www.theage.com.au and news.bbc.co.uk, and just open a bajillion links in new tabs [01:04] thom: that seems to screw it up prett reliably [01:04] hunger_: what sort of trouble? is it related to fonts or keyboard? === xxenon [xxenon@81.13.238.141] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:05] daniels: No, more to x not starting at all due to broken pathes all over the place [01:08] that's well-known [01:08] we're in the middle of a huge path transition for xorg [01:09] daniels: I know. === tja is now known as tepsipakki [01:09] daniels: But when you break my system you will get bugreports. Just so things will not get forgotten. [01:10] daniels: And even in unstable X should work IMHO, independent of ongoing changes. You are giving out the packages to get feedback, aren't you? [01:12] hunger_: trust me, it's not been forgotten [01:12] and no, breezy isn't necessarily supposed to always be usable [01:12] daniels: Good:-) [01:12] people are spoiled by sid [01:12] it's just that I don't have the resources to fix it right now [01:13] if you're not comfortable fixing breakages like this, right now you shouldn't be using breezy [01:13] daniels: It is not supposed to be useable or it may become broken at anytime? [01:14] daniels: I am comfortable fixing the fallout. I am running X again. [01:15] daniels: I do not mind running a distri that may break at any point in time. If the distri is meant to be broken, then I may need to look around for something else though. [01:16] hunger_: We have a nice stable distribution called "hoary" [01:16] Breezy is under active development. The priority is to ensure that stuff will work at release time, not to ensure that it works at any intermediate point [01:16] Prioritisation means that something may remain broken for some time [01:16] mjg59: Yeah... but I am an apt-addict;-) [01:16] mjg59: That is fine for me! [01:17] So, currently, X is broken because other things need to be worked on and have a higher priority [01:17] mjg59: I will write bugreports and fix stuff for myself. [01:18] mjg59: I am not complaining (sorry if that is what I sound like), I was just reporting my findings in case they were not yet known. [01:18] mjg59: OK, I doubt that "x does no longer start" was not noticed before;-) [01:21] hunger: Heh. Sure, that's no problem. === KaiL [KaiL@p548F7E18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] tepsipakki: I have used other unstable distris apart from sid... which indeed does spoil people. [01:33] hunger: the other distros or sid? [01:33] tepsipakki: sid spoiled me. [01:33] me too [01:33] breezy is better ;) [01:34] keeps you on your toes [01:34] it's more fun [01:34] right on [01:34] "what is daniels going to break today?" [01:34] its always a suprise [01:35] tepsipakki: If you want broken unstables... try gentoo. [01:35] nooo, never [01:35] tepsipakki: with having to build the broken stuff for yourself all the time that distri is really painful. === Danten [~danten@h84n3c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] heh [01:39] i bet === zeedo [~zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] tepsipakki: feels a bit like digging your own grave... [01:40] "I'm off hunting... my own foot!" === hunger wishes that not everything that gets installed will automatically have its init scripts run at bootup. [01:43] But well, that is probably just me again... === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:44] if you install a service intentionally, theres a good chance you want to run it [01:44] if not, you can update-rc.d [01:44] optimize for the common case dudes [01:45] tseng: As I said: probably just me again:-) [01:45] tseng: I install lots of stuff that I need in this or that network but not the others. [01:45] oh [01:46] you need NetworkMagic [01:46] with more *MAGIC* [01:46] tseng: Just trimmed down the rc-dirs by 15 entries that are not needed everywhere. [01:46] http://tseng.ath.cx/galleries/udu/mq/img-23.jpg === hunger keeps forgetting to remove the links right after startup:-) [01:47] on idea for network magic is to be able to start/stop services [01:47] depending on the connection [01:47] tseng: Should work... the normal debian scripts can do that! [01:48] I mean.. magically === hunger wonders why those are not used in ubuntu. [01:49] tseng: I have my wlan configured based on available APs with the normal /etc/network/interfaces mechanismns. [01:49] tseng: For some reason they are ignored in ubuntu afaict. [01:49] eh if you know what you are talking about, it sounds like bug report material [01:49] i dont use debian. [01:50] tseng: I put the necessary stuff on the wiki. [01:52] http://tseng.ath.cx/photos/index.php?galerie=udu&snimek=31&exif_style=&show_thumbs= [01:52] this is why your X is broken [01:52] tseng: Because of STRANGE people grinning into the camera? ;-) [01:53] one strange scruffy person [01:53] hey, I'm not scruffy [01:54] tseng: So basically you all sat together and decided to break my computer? ;-) [01:54] nor am I grinning [01:54] hunger: yes. We call it development. [01:54] :) [01:54] Mithrandir: 'progress' [01:54] daniels: that too. [01:54] hey, you didn't use to be scruffy [01:54] Mithrandir: Good answer;-) [01:54] but after ols... [01:55] bob2: ... my hair was very close-cropped [01:55] tseng: Do you have some pics of the board, etc.? [01:55] hunger: which board? [01:55] daniels: I'm not talking hair [01:55] bob2: i had my beard before OLS [01:55] hm, ok [01:55] I'll blame palais, then [01:55] bob2: i've had it since about last January [01:55] tseng: the whiteboard. [01:55] it seems to encourage dodgy beards [01:56] hunger: yes its the next shot or the one after for network magic [01:56] since before I'd visited the palais :P [01:56] hunger: you can get a full page of thumb nails [01:56] tseng: Yes, found a couple already. [01:58] bob2: http://people.freedesktop.org/~daniels/albums/syd-jul2004/aan.sized.jpg [01:58] Is there a reason for not running ntpdate via /etc/network/if-up.d instead of in rcS.d? [01:59] hunger: it'll all be fairly redone for breezy. [01:59] look at the UdevRaces spec [01:59] bob2: (and my hackergotchi was from april-ish last year) [01:59] daniels: oh yeah, I was at the giant phallus pizza party [02:00] Mithrandir: Basically all network services could be started via if-up.d/if-down.d... [02:00] bob2: abh in that gallery is le amore pascal [02:00] ahhhh, good times [02:01] daniels: cabal.! [02:02] daniels: hoary-updates> upload, send me/mdz the diff for approval [02:02] Kamion: 'kay [02:03] Kamion: will email the diff, but it's not the most complex: http://cvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/i810/i830_driver.c?r1=1.15&r2=1.16 [02:05] a rationale for the X-illiterate among us would be nice, too. :) [02:06] actually, if you could get the upload approved _before_ uploading it, that'd make my life easier [02:06] oh, ok [02:07] Kamion: ok, so it reads the clocks out of DDC to validate modes against [02:07] didn't know it made a significant difference, barring queue/accepted/ noise [02:07] Kamion: but the initialiser for DDCClock is in the wrong place, so you basically end up with 640x480 on Intel desktop chipsets. it's #7878. [02:07] Kamion: queue/accepted isn't designed to have stuff removed out from under it; the current hoary-updates mechanism is a gross hack done through necessity [02:09] daniels: [reads references] ok, that's fine by me, go ahead and upload [02:09] Kamion: cheers === magnon [~magnon@magnon.photogeeks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuhl [~tuhl@p5498FECD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] any hints when X will work again in breezy? === bod [bod@londo.c47.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] tuhl: uh? never.. we are going back to framebuffer console... [02:13] ;) [02:13] fabbione: ++ [02:13] pitti: ehheh [02:13] fabbione: :-) [02:13] that's part of GettingRidOfTheDesktop [02:13] ahaha === Baby [~nena@baby.kavi.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bob2 Seconds === Yvonne [~help@cn-sdm-cr02-0229.dial.kabelfoon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] Kamion: awake? [02:19] pitti: so how does that go along with CommandLineDisintegration? :) === A_Alam [~a_alam@202.41.228.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] bod: yep [02:19] ajmitch: DirectBrain(tm) connection only [02:20] sounds nice & secure === tuhl [~tuhl@p5498FECD.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:20] ajmitch: yeah, solves all authentication problems :) [02:21] and if you get brainr00t3d? [02:21] are you going to end up like Mr Bean? [02:21] no regression, the attacker can get your passwords out of your brain, too :-) [02:22] hahaha [02:22] glad pitti's in charge of security ;p [02:22] elmo: could you sync perl 5.8.6-1 from experimental, please? (it's only there due to Debian freeze policies) [02:25] Kamion ++ for extra crack :) [02:27] when is breezy UVF? === _infinity [~adconrad@loki.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] hey _infinity [02:28] Hi _infinity [02:29] short visit... [02:32] elmo: libdb1-compat seems to have been incorrectly demoted to universe in warty and hoary [02:32] Burgundavia: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCycle [02:33] release - 14 weeks [02:33] Kamion, thanks, couldn't find it === infinity [~adconrad@loki.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bod [bod@londo.c47.org] has left #ubuntu-devel ["SPAM"] === hunger [~hunger@p54A677FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LinuxJones [~willy@blk-222-221-81.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xe|| [~xell@chello080108045106.6.11.vie.surfer.at] has left #ubuntu-devel ["There] === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Robinho_Peixoto [~robinho@201009123251.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [~hunger@p54A677FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Clint_ is now known as Clint === cartman [foobar@cartman.developer.konversation] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-26-43.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === darkling [~hugo@81-5-136-19.dsl.eclipse.net.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [~seveas@83.160.7.26] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:03] Kamion: eh? there are symlinks for it === henriquemaia [~henriquem@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] elmo: oh, ok. somebody was complaining about debootstrap failing on libdb1-compat [04:05] are the symlinks recent? [04:05] May 21 22:23 [04:05] ah [04:06] ok, thanks === jdthood [~jdthood@aglu.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xuzo [~xuzo@81-203-41-93.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:21] elmo: is anything using gal2.2/gtkhtml3.2 ? [04:23] morning seb128 [04:23] hey jdub [04:24] having a nice, relaxing sunday morning? :) [04:24] we had a eurovision party tonight [04:24] I slept until 11am, so yes :) [04:24] the french act was merde :) [04:24] roh [04:25] don't worry, the UK act was complete bollocks ;) [04:25] I watched the local soccer team winning 3-2 yesterday, much better than the crappy eurovision :p [04:25] not surprisingly (haven never seen it), the pretty girl won [04:29] seb128: not gal2.2, I demoted that a while ago [04:30] and gtkhtml3.2's in universe too [04:30] ie: is that ok to drop them? [04:30] I've asked some time ago and abiword was still using that IIRC [04:30] Checking reverse dependencies... [04:30] No dependency problem found. [04:30] k, please drop them so [04:30] thanks [04:31] removed [04:42] elmo: ping [04:50] heya folks [04:56] mdz: ping [04:56] mdz's on vacation [05:07] Kamion: lucky man [05:07] :) === motaboy [~motaboy@host15-39.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:20] <\sh> guys i have a little problem [05:22] <\sh> arkrpg doesn't want to compile with the actual settings in the source...so I removed config.sub and config.guess from the actual source and rerun aclocal/automake-1.7 ; autoconf now it would compile the right way..but what is the best way to get diffs for it now? [05:24] if the problem is just config.sub/guess, just update those from /usr/share/misc [05:24] <\sh> Mithrandir: done...but i need to provide some patches for cdbs simple-patchsys [05:25] <\sh> and the patches already in the patches dir must be applied before that [05:26] <\sh> or should i do the replacement in debian/rules? [05:29] add a patch which updates config.sub/guess simply? [05:30] <\sh> Mithrandir: i have to rerun aclocal and automake with 1.7 [05:30] <\sh> i could do an aclocal etc. in the rules file, but this is not nice [05:39] \sh: run it yourself before the .diff.gz is generated, and it will get included in there [05:39] then you have an ugly diff but a working program [05:39] then you beat upstream until they update [05:40] <\sh> bob2: no...I'm doing it another way...using clean tar.gz and work the changes in and diff it and put those patches to debian-sourcedir [05:40] ok, same deal [05:40] the last step is the same, anyway ;p === Loevborg [~loevborg@d38-126.dip.isp-service.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === |zzzzzz [opera@ppp2B95.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Sepheebear [~SepheeBea@cpe-24-193-111-253.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Baby [~nena@cm-81-9-208-131.telecable.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === auxesis [~lindsay@107.24.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === snaggen [~snaggen@c-2579e255.034-37-73746f12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@c138171.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Robinho_Peixoto [~robinho@201009111221.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chuck_ [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cartman [foobar@cartman.developer.konversation] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@c138171.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:23] hey === Echylo [~echylo@212-165.245.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pedro_ [~pedro@pc-200-74-115-134.megavia.pc.metropolis-inter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:31] hi all! === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Echylo [~echylo@212-165.245.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sto [~sto@sto.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:03] hello [07:04] is anybody else under the impression that firefox crashes like crazy lately? [07:04] zyga, only on amd64 [07:04] ogra: I'm running amd64 [07:04] hmmm...planet.gnome.org change the layout [07:05] ogra: why amd64? some library is messed up? [07:05] zyga, no idea... [07:05] zyga, but i switched back to mozilla-firefox for now.... [07:05] (on amd64 at least, on the other arches it works fine) [07:06] ogra: I'll wait as usual [07:06] ogra: besides I'm too scared of updates ATM [07:27] any rosetta people here? [07:27] #launchpad [07:27] cheers === AndyR [~andrew@rogers666.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:27] (if they're not there, they probably won't be here :-)) [07:28] afternoon all === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea1-4-4-043-090.sea1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aisipos [~anton@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === g14 [~g14@c-67-171-59-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Goshawk [~Vincenzo@host132-121.pool8259.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~tritium@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.214.153] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdthood [~jdthood@aglu.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [~agp@cm-80.111.96.084.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [~daniel@i528C3EC3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Echylo [~echylo@212-165.245.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zeedo [~zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [~agp@cm-80.111.96.084.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:31] trulux: here? [08:31] pitti: yup [08:31] cool, how are you? [08:31] trulux: any news? [08:33] pitti: fine, well, tired but good at least. yep, some [08:33] I'm about to upload some packages [08:34] pitti: and I'm porting krsec to 2.6.12-rc4 [08:34] pitti: pretty straight forward [08:35] pitti: BTW, I will send the spec today [08:35] yeah, no big deal, but it is easier if I don't have to do it over and over again [08:35] pitti: we can't wait more for it [08:40] pitti: done [08:40] hi pitti [08:41] hi mdke [08:41]