[12:19] <marios> hello
[12:26] <Pupeno> hello ?!?
[12:27] <marios> why question mark?
[12:28] <Mithrandir> Pupeno: it's just the signing which failed then
[12:28] <Pupeno> marios: because nobody replied earlier.
[12:28] <marios> :)
[12:28] <Pupeno> Mithrandir: may I just sign it then ?
[12:28] <Mithrandir> Pupeno: yes
[12:29] <Pupeno> ok.
[12:29] <Pupeno> Now, how do I create an apt-getable repository on my server ? (some docs about it ?)
[12:30] <Mithrandir> man apt-ftparchive
[12:30] <Pupeno> thanks
[12:42] <marios> is anyone here interested in helping me out with ubuntu support site
[12:42] <marios> ?
[12:42] <ivoks> hahaha
[12:43] <marios> sam se ti smij
[12:43] <ivoks> marios: english only
[12:43] <marios> ok,ok
[12:44] <marios> just you laugh :p
[12:44] <ivoks> bad translation
[12:44] <marios> ok,ok
[12:44] <marios> wait a sec...
[12:44] <marios> I have to find a translator :D
[12:47] <marios> why is everybody sleeping here? :p
[12:49] <crimsun> it's saturday evening or sunday morning
[12:50] <crimsun> most people are probably "out"
[12:50] <ivoks> heh
[12:51] <crimsun> 'evening, ivoks
[12:51] <ivoks> crimsun: hi
[01:08] <tseng> ogra: dude i think this is the build the wins the day
[01:08] <tseng> ogra: mono + __thread
[01:09] <ogra> yay yay yay
[01:09] <ogra> \O/
[01:23] <ivoks> ogra: hellou!
[01:23] <ogra> hey ivoks
[01:23] <ivoks> tseng: howdy!
[01:24] <tseng> hi
[01:24] <ivoks> ogra: you uploaded all on my site?
[01:24] <ivoks> :)
[01:25] <ogra> the ones that were there last time i looked, yes
[01:25] <ivoks> ok
[01:25] <ogra> you talked about 20....
[01:25] <ivoks> well :)
[01:25] <ivoks> sidlibs have 4-5 packages
[01:25] <ogra> there are five until now.... these are uploaded
[01:25] <ivoks> and i'm still waiting for doko to check two-three more
[01:26] <ogra> ivoks, i'll check them
[01:26] <ivoks> ok
[01:26] <ivoks> i'll give u URL, sec...
[01:27] <ogra> not now, its 1:25, i'm terribly tired...
[01:27] <ivoks> :)
[01:27] <ogra> i suppose its the same url as always ?
[01:27] <ivoks> same time here :)
[01:28] <ivoks> ogra: no... this is on bugzilla
[01:28] <ivoks> patches that should get PENDINGUPLOAD flag
[01:28] <ogra> ivoks, ok, then i'll pull the bugnumbers from the wiki
[01:28] <ivoks> ok
[01:31] <ivoks> time for bed
[01:31] <ivoks> see you tomorroe
[01:31] <ivoks> w
[01:31] <MarioOs> sleep tight
[01:31] <MarioOs> don't let bugs eat you :D
[01:31] <ivoks> :)
[01:32] <ogra> heh
[01:32] <ogra> night ivoks
[01:40] <Pupeno> awesome, got sbcl 0.9.0.39 and slime-cvs to work on ubuntu :D
[02:24] <ogra> Pupeno, great
[02:24] <Pupeno> I'm currently uploading them to my server.
[03:24] <Pupeno> Here, the anouncement for my packages: http://pupeno.com/eng/blog/archive/2005/05/21/lisp-on-kubuntu
[04:33] <tseng> its great i have my desktop here now for compiling/hard work
[04:33] <tseng> and dont have to push my laptop
[04:33] <tseng> into compiling mono*
[04:34] <crimsun> funny, I just finished setting up a remote dev environment for the same purpose
[04:34] <tseng> nice
[04:34] <tseng> yeah im using my desktop over ssh mostly
[04:34] <tseng> atm
[04:34] <tseng> i like using the full size keyboard/mouse and 21" monitor also though
[04:37] <crimsun> true
[05:03] <Pupeno> I'm making a package whose version is 0.9 (no Debian package for this), should it be 0.9-1ubuntu1 ? or 0.9-ubuntu1 ?
[05:04] <crimsun> so upstream version is 0.9? The Ubuntu version would be 0.9-0ubuntu1
[05:04] <Pupeno> ok.
[05:04] <crimsun> we always have to account for the possibility that it will enter Debian at some future date
[05:06] <Pupeno> compat ? 0 ? 1 ?
[05:06] <crimsun> come again?
[05:07] <crimsun> because it's not in Debian yet (and assuming that if it _is_ going to be uploaded into Debian, it will be 0.9-1), you have to version lower
[05:07] <crimsun> hence -0ubuntu1
[05:07] <Pupeno> yes, ok, but what do I put in compat (I believe it's the epoch of the package) ? or do I just skip this file ? (I'm basing this package on another similar package).
[05:28] <crimsun> Pupeno: sorry, been busy
[05:28] <crimsun> Pupeno: debian/compat is the debhelper level
[05:29] <crimsun> Pupeno: it is independent of the epoch
[05:29] <Pupeno> oh... it was just a coincidence then.
[05:29] <crimsun> chances are you'll want to use 4 as a compat level
[05:29] <crimsun> that means you'll need to check debian/control:Build-Depends
[05:30] <crimsun> and debian/rules
[05:30] <crimsun> (the debhelper man page outlines the differences)
[05:59] <Pupeno> Ok, thank you.
[05:59] <Pupeno> Who should I notify of my packages so they may be introduced into ubuntu breezy ?
[06:00] <crimsun> MOTUToDo
[06:00] <crimsun> wiki/MOTUToDo, that is, and be sure to place a url to your repo with diff.gz and dsc (and orig.tar.gz)
[06:00] <crimsun> also place pointers on the relevant New wiki pages
[06:04] <Pupeno> do you mean just adding an entry on the TODO here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUTodo ?
[06:04] <Pupeno> outch, I don't have diff.gz and orig.tar.gz (I'm not sure why).
[06:06] <crimsun> yeah, and also on the New packages pages
[06:06] <crimsun> brb
[06:18] <Pupeno> when I ruin dpkg-buildpackage it doesn't build a diff.gz and an orig.tar.gz, am I missing some option ?
[06:19] <Pupeno> s/ruin/run/
[06:26] <crimsun> how is the source dir named+
[06:27] <crimsun> do you have an orig.tar.gz?
[06:28] <crimsun> err, sorry
[06:29] <crimsun> because you don't have an orig.tar.gz, it assumes you're building a debian-native package
[06:29] <Pupeno> oh.
[06:29] <crimsun> (sorry, my connection is kinda logged)
[06:29] <crimsun> lagged, rather
[06:29] <Pupeno> Should I download the original tarball and renamed whatever.orig.tar.gz ?
[06:29] <crimsun> yep
[06:30] <Pupeno> let's see.
[06:32] <Pupeno> The original is named rfc2388_0.9.tar.gz, the directory where I untared is named cl-rfc2388-0.9, how should the tarball be named ? rfc2388_0.9.orig.tar.gz ? cl-rfc2388-0.9.orig.tar.gz ? or what ?
[06:34] <crimsun> rfc2388_0.9.orig.tar.gz
[06:34] <crimsun> actually, what's the name of your source packaeg?
[06:34] <crimsun> package, rather
[06:34] <Pupeno> rfc2388_0.9.tar.gz
[06:35] <crimsun> err, sorry. In debian/control
[06:35] <crimsun> what's the source name there?
[06:35] <Pupeno> cl-rfc2388
[06:36] <crimsun> then the orig tarball needs to be named that. cl-rfc2388_0.9.orig.tar.gz
[06:36] <Pupeno> thanks.
[06:36] <crimsun> wow is that ever a rather ... uninformative binary package name, though
[06:36] <crimsun> (rfc2388)
[06:37] <Pupeno> crimsun: indeed.
[06:37] <crimsun> as descriptive as briefly possible would work better
[06:37] <Pupeno> crimsun: I believe the guy who named it wasn't very creative that day.
[06:37] <crimsun> that's ok, you can name the binary package :)
[06:38] <Pupeno> The people who needs it will look for it under that name.
[06:40] <crimsun> ok, but please make good short and long Descriptions for it :)
[06:40] <Pupeno> I've done.
[06:41] <Pupeno> crimsun: something like this: http://packages.pupeno.com/ubuntu/hoary/cl-rfc2388/ ?
[06:42] <crimsun> sure
[06:42] <crimsun> I'll take a look in a bit
[06:43] <Pupeno> thank you :D
[06:44] <crimsun> hopefully in 30 mins, but there's no telling with all these guys with sound issues...
[07:55] <crimsun> ok, so 30 minutes was far optimistic
[09:13] <Treenaks> wow.. what happened?
[09:14] <siretart> Treenaks: freenode maintenance, see http://www.freenode.net/news.shtml
[09:14] <Treenaks> ah
[09:16] <Treenaks> siretart: urrgh: "We'll be restarting servers, blah blah this will take an hour" "Oh and by the way GIVE US YOUR MONEY!!!"
[09:16] <siretart> Treenaks: yupp. thats splitn^W freenode! :)
[09:17] <Treenaks> siretart: at least OTFC is SPI-sponsored ;)
[09:17] <siretart> oftc?
[09:17] <Treenaks> so I can donate to SPI andbenefit Debian and OFTC /at the same time/
[09:17] <Treenaks> irc.oftc.net
[09:18] <Treenaks> the "split off" net people created when they got fed up or something.. it was a major flamewar
[09:18] <siretart> Treenaks: say, why is "irc.debian.org" CNAMEd to irc.freenode.net then?
[09:19] <Treenaks> http://www.oftc.net/faq/general/\
[09:19] <Treenaks> (OPN is freenode now)
[09:30] <crimsun> siretart: there hasn't been a decision yet to switch completely to oftc
[09:54] <\sh> morning
[09:55] <Amaranth> morning
[09:55] <Amaranth> well, early morning (3am) :)
[09:56] <\sh> 4mins to 10am here
[09:57] <\sh> just woke up
[09:57] <\sh> because oh this stupid church bells
[10:09] <ajmitch> hi
[10:10] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: hey hows it goin
[10:10] <ajmitch> alright
[10:10] <ajmitch> been a little busy lately ;)
[10:13] <Unfrgiven> yeah same :)
[10:13] <Unfrgiven> i got all caught up in the star wars fever
[10:13] <Unfrgiven> :)
[10:13] <\sh> Amaranth: is george serious or is he fooling us
[10:14] <Amaranth> No idea, I think he is serious.
[10:14] <Amaranth> He doesn't even use Ubuntu, it seems.
[10:14] <\sh> Unfrgiven: star wars III is not what I was expecting
[10:15] <\sh> the special effects are not up2date
[10:17] <Unfrgiven> Amaranth: i saw it twice too :)
[10:17] <Unfrgiven> \sh: really? i loved it
[10:17] <Unfrgiven> i thought it wrapped up most things quite nicely
[10:19] <\sh> Unfrgiven: for the story, it was ok...but as in ep4+5+6 george lucas tried to invent new special effects, and this wasn't happening in ep 1+2+3
[10:20] <Unfrgiven> i must admit, im a HUGE fan... ive got in excess of 80 books.... :)
[10:20] <\sh> they got better in those computer animated characters but that's all
[10:20] <Amaranth> now we just need the rest of the saga :D
[10:20] <Unfrgiven> \sh: dont computer animated characters count as "new special effects"? wasn't jar jar binks the first digital actor ever?
[10:21] <Amaranth> no, i think toy story came out before that
[10:21] <\sh> Unfrgiven: u mean in combination with "real actors"?
[10:22] <Unfrgiven> Amaranth: i don't think toy story counts.... they weren't meant to be "real" characters... it was a computerised cartoon
[10:22] <Unfrgiven> by digital actors we mean characters in a live movie
[10:22] <Unfrgiven> though i suppose bugs bunny in space jam would've been  the first?
[10:22] <\sh> Unfrgiven: thats right
[10:23] <\sh> and then there was this movie with the name of an old computer game
[10:23] <\sh> completly digitized and completly computer animated
[10:23] <Unfrgiven> \sh: fair enuf :) but anyways don't those effects count as computer animated?
[10:23] <Unfrgiven> errr dont computer animated count as special effects
[10:24] <\sh> Unfrgiven: as I said, he always tried to get better in ep4+5+6 but in ep1
[10:24] <\sh> 2
[10:24] <\sh> oops
[10:24] <\sh> 1+2+3
[10:24] <Unfrgiven> i spose you're looking at the movie purely from a photography/aural perspective... im looking at it from the perspective of a movie... a couple of hours of entertainment
[10:25] <\sh> there were only small pieces renewed or got better (in ep3 jar jar was quite nice animated and this guy in the bar where obi wan was going to)
[10:25] <\sh> Unfrgiven: well, the story is known ;) it's the same as with "titanic"
[10:26] <\sh> everybody knew the end of the Titanic ;)
[10:27] <Unfrgiven> same with apollo 13 but it was still an awesome flick
[10:27] <\sh> this movie I never watched
[10:27] <Unfrgiven> \sh: fair enuf :)
[10:28] <Unfrgiven> anyways back to ubuntu.... im writing up the intro developer docs atm....
[10:28] <Unfrgiven> i had an idea that I thought I'd ask about
[10:29] <Unfrgiven> i was thinking about creating a meta package that basically encompassed all the packages required for creating your own packages
[10:30] <\sh> good idea
[10:34] <ajmitch> looks like I've got a bit of X fixing to do
[10:34] <ajmitch> the fun of running breezy :)
[10:35] <ajmitch> hi thoreauputic
[10:35] <thoreauputic> hi ajmitch :)
[10:39] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: ive not dist-upgraded since monday... its been very hard resisting the temptation... but i've expected lots of breakage this week due to the cxx transition
[10:39] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: X.org breakage has been harder on me
[10:40] <Burgundavia> Unfrgiven, I just havent shut down my machine
[10:40] <ajmitch> I don't dist-upgrade anymore, it can cause too much to break ;)
[10:40] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: X is currently at ~750MB mem usage, I have to be able to restart it soon
[10:41] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, that is odd. I have been running 5 days straight, and am astill at around ~132 megs
[10:42] <ajmitch> I think the leak is due to gnome-terminal/Xft or something, since that was the only app I changed
[10:42] <ajmitch> root      9980  1.2 45.2 737216 469136 ?       S<L  May17  85:43 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt8
[10:42] <ajmitch> about 5 days for me too :)
[10:42] <Burgundavia> ouch
[10:43] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:43] <Burgundavia> I hope I don't have a similar leak, as i really don;t want to have to tweak my xorg by hand
[10:43] <ajmitch> heh
[10:43] <ajmitch> why would you have to tweak xorg by hand?
[10:43] <Burgundavia> the fonts stuff
[10:43] <ajmitch> trivial
[10:54] <Burgundavia> when should I start reporting uninstallable programs due to the CXX transition? now, one week, two weeks?
[10:57] <Amaranth> i'm a bit new to all this memory leakage stuff
[10:57] <Amaranth> if i restarted gnome-panel and the VM Size went down 20MB what does that mean?
[11:02] <ivoks> hi
[11:06] <ajmitch> hi ivoks
[11:09] <ivoks> hi ajmitch :)
[11:10] <ivoks> i'll be back...
[11:15] <\sh> re ivoks :)
[11:15] <ivoks> :)
[11:15] <ivoks> i'm playing with my irssi :)
[11:16] <ivoks> ah... time to do some road planing :(
[11:17] <ivoks> so, guys... enjoy. i have roads to design :)
[11:17] <\sh> roads?
[11:17] <ivoks> yeah...
[11:18] <ivoks> i get map, and then i have to create road on that map
[11:18] <ivoks> highway, or whatever is needed :)
[11:18] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: :)
[11:18] <ivoks> it's part of my education
[11:18] <ivoks> to becom civil engineer
[11:19] <ivoks> on faculty of civil engineering :)
[11:19] <ivoks> so, bye
[11:19] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: oh... i thought you were referring to ubuntu roadmapping
[11:19] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: cya
[11:19] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: :>>>
[11:19] <ivoks> nope
[11:21] <ivoks> wrong button :)
[11:28] <\sh> strange
[11:28] <\sh> X11/Xlib.h should be in libx11-dev, right?
[11:33] <ajmitch> probably
[11:34] <\sh> hmmm
[11:34] <\sh> again strange
[11:35] <\sh> there is no spoon aehm Xlib.h
[11:35] <\sh> now i'm confused
[11:35] <\sh>  /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlib.h
[11:36] <\sh> but wasn't /usr/include/X11 now the right place for all this X11 stuff?
[11:37] <ajmitch> yep
[11:37] <ajmitch> it's moving
[11:37] <ajmitch> I think ;)
[11:39] <\sh> confusion
[11:41] <ajmitch> it makes for a fun time
[11:41] <ajmitch> at least I've still got my laptop that I haven't upgraded for a couple of weeks
[11:41] <\sh> ajmitch: well...I just dist-upgraded my breezy chroot this morning....
[11:42] <\sh> and now i'm trying to compile some X stuff and after all, it's complaining ;)
[11:42] <\sh> and with all this xorg font stuff moving I'm right confused, what is the right location for all this xorg stuff ;
[11:44] <\sh> well, I could adjust the source, but then tomorrow it will lay somewhere else...;)
[11:54] <ajmitch> yeah, I'm doing most of my compiling in a chroot now
[11:54] <ajmitch> only way to try & keep my main system semi-stable
[11:55] <\sh> ajmitch: but the problem is, that I don't know which is the right position now...I think something went wrong with the last update of xorg and those paths aren't right...it should be /usr/include/X11 and not /usr/X11R6/include/X11
[11:55] <ajmitch> libx11-dev 6.8.2-16 ?
[11:56] <\sh> yepp
[11:56] <ajmitch> I don' tthink the headers have been shifted yet
[11:56] <ajmitch> but the app you're trying to compile just isn't looking in the right place for some reason
[11:57] <\sh> strange...
[11:57] <\sh> cdbs autotools package ;)
[12:00] <\sh> lemme check by hand
[12:00] <\sh> it doesn't get the include path for X11R6/include/X11 nor /usr/include/X11
[12:00] <\sh> fixing the source
[12:04] <\sh> hmm
[12:04] <\sh> adding --with-x-includes=/usr/X11R6/include everything is working fine
[12:07] <\sh> haha...no it's not working cause
[12:07] <\sh> /usr/include/GL/glx.h:39:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
[12:07] <\sh> /usr/include/GL/glx.h:40:23: error: X11/Xutil.h: No such file or directory
[12:07] <\sh> nice one
[12:08] <Amaranth> yes X is broken terribly
[12:09] <\sh> hmmm
[12:09] <Treenaks> hi ogra & ogra
[12:09] <\sh> and susus ;)
[12:12] <Unfrgiven> hi ogra
[12:12] <\sh> Amaranth: but setting the X-include dir, all includes should follow it
[12:12] <Treenaks> p0mz0r
[12:13] <p0m> Treenaks: Any idea which repo I'd find mmusic on?
[12:13] <Treenaks> mmusic?
[12:13] <Treenaks> universe? multiverse?
[12:13] <Treenaks> google?
[12:13] <p0m> It's not in any of the ubuntu ones.
[12:13] <p0m> All I can find is debs, and I'm not going to go through dependancy hell.
[12:14] <Treenaks> uh
[12:14] <Treenaks> don't the debs dpkg -i cleanly?
[12:14] <p0m> No, they do, but there's a tonne of deps.
[12:14] <Treenaks> p0m: *shudder*
[12:15] <Unfrgiven> all... for the intro developer docs, i was going to use a worked example... we had planned to use tomboy since it was simple... but it has gotten complicated since... does anyone know a very simple somewhat popular package? something that uses cdbs and is has only debhelper.mk.
[12:15] <Treenaks> p0m: have you read the MOTU pages on the wiki?
[12:15] <Unfrgiven> err includes debhelper.mk
[12:15] <p0m> Yeah, I have.
[12:15] <p0m> gmmusic isn't mentioned on there anyhow. I think it's unmaintained.
[12:16] <p0m> Which is a pity, it was a nice program.
[12:16] <p0m> It's the only gnome mp3 collection cataloguing software I've seen.
[12:16] <Treenaks> p0m: rhythmbox ?
[12:16] <Treenaks> p0m: muine ?
[12:16] <\sh> hmmm
[12:16] <p0m> Rythmbox doesn't like my smb shares.
[12:17] <p0m> Muine doesn't have an xchat plugin.
[12:17] <Amaranth> an xchat plugin? for what?
[12:17] <p0m> "Now playing" crud.
[12:17] <Burgundavia> gah
[12:17] <p0m> It's for a friend of mine.
[12:17] <\sh> I'm not this autotools master piece, but this "AM_CXXFLAGS=@CXXFLAGS@ @SDL_CFLAGS@ ${X_CFLAGS}" doesn't look ok
[12:17] <Amaranth> i ignore people who have scripts that do that
[12:17] <p0m> Haha.
[12:17] <p0m> I'm too lazy to type it myself usually.
[12:18] <p0m> I have a python script that grabs it and passes it onto my website.
[12:18] <Amaranth> Seeing stuff like [Evanescence - Ascension of the Spirit]  every 3 minutes gets annoying
[12:19] <p0m> Haha.
[12:19] <Amaranth> btw, i'm actually listening to that :)
[12:19] <\sh> ;)
[12:19] <\sh> i should remove all this "media dcop" things from kde
[12:20] <p0m> When I do it, it's just "np: song - artist"
[12:20] <p0m> None of this fancy formatting stuff.
[12:20] <\sh> grmpf
[12:20] <p0m> Although, I did use postscript formatting in an mp3 script once as a joke.
[12:21] <p0m> Anyhow, back to NWN :)
[12:21] <\sh> starting over
[12:21] <p0m> Works perfectly under Ubuntu, I'm pleased to report.
[12:21] <Amaranth> stupid xorg :)
[12:21] <p0m> Heh.
[12:21] <\sh> never winter nights?
[12:21] <p0m> Aye.
[12:22] <\sh> i have to install it later...that's why I bought the windows version only for the key
[12:22] <p0m> Heh.
[12:22] <\sh> wanted to package it ;)
[12:22] <p0m> There's a shell script to install it these days.
[12:22] <p0m> Gentoo has a nwn ebuild.
[12:22] <p0m> You could do a metapackage for just the client + updates.
[12:22] <p0m> And one for game data.
[12:23] <p0m> Because some people have the CD's, but can't be bothered setting up the client.
[12:23] <\sh> p0m: I know about the gentoo ebuild...I'll use it as an example ;)
[12:23] <p0m> Heh.
[12:23] <Burgundavia> what about legal issues?
[12:24] <p0m> The gentoo ebuild only has original NWN though.
[12:24] <p0m> Bioware don't care, as long as you use a legal CD key.
[12:24] <Burgundavia> truly?
[12:24] <p0m> At least, that's what I've been told.
[12:24] <Burgundavia> you can redistribute the entire game?
[12:24] <p0m> From what I can tell.
[12:24] <\sh> Burgundavia: jepp
[12:24] <Burgundavia> has someone cleared that with bioware?
[12:24] <p0m> I think they have.
[12:24] <p0m> Bioware's linux client forum suggest downloading the stuff if you have a legal CD key.
[12:24] <p0m> You need a CD key to play it anyhow.
[12:25] <Burgundavia> so it might be able to go in multiverse
[12:26] <\sh> would be really nice to see it there for ubuntu
[12:26] <Amaranth> i hope it doesn't use C++ :)
[12:27] <p0m> It uses SDL.
[12:27] <\sh> Amaranth: statically linked ;)
[12:27] <p0m> And c.
[12:27] <Burgundavia> I am still skeptical that a company would allow that, but anyway
[12:27] <p0m> Iirc.
[12:27] <\sh> Burgundavia: u have to buy the windows cd
[12:27] <\sh> cause the cdkey is printed on the manual
[12:27] <Burgundavia> ok
[12:27] <p0m> But if you lose your CD's, you can legally download it.
[12:28] <\sh> but anyways...when u like ad&d pen & paper roleplaying ;) u will like neverwinternights
[12:28] <\sh> it's based on the same rules
[12:28] <p0m> Provided, of course you have the cdkey still.
[12:28] <\sh> and the best thing is
[12:28] <p0m> They actually have a system on their website so you can register your cdkey, and store it there.
[12:28] <\sh> u can create your own worlds and put them on your own server as multiplayer game
[12:29] <p0m> I play on Avlis, one of the first multiplayer servers for it.
[12:29] <p0m> Uber addictive :)
[12:29] <\sh> p0m: do they have at least the world generator for linux now?
[12:30] <p0m> \sh: There's one in the works, but it's still easier to run Aurora under wine.
[12:30] <p0m> The server software for NWN on linux is the best out there.
[12:30] <p0m> And player vault.
[12:31] <\sh> p0m: well, i would like to see the building software running native on linux, i'm really not a friend of wine
[12:31] <p0m> Anyhow, I'll let you lot get back to doing whatever it is you normally do ;o)
[12:31] <p0m> \sh: There is native software, it's just not all that good. And NWN2 comes out next year.
[12:32] <\sh> p0m: whats missing in this piece of software? u need to paint some houses and u have to code the triggers ;)
[12:32] <p0m> Heh.
[12:32] <p0m> It's mainly only good as a viewer at the moment.
[12:37] <herve> morning!
[12:39] <p0m> Howdy herve.
[12:41] <Unfrgiven> does anyone have a link for viewing unassigned motu/universe bugs? the "advanced" button is giving me the message "A system error occurred"
[12:41] <Burgundavia> on malone?
[12:42] <Burgundavia> malone is currently mostly useless
[12:42] <Burgundavia> but I have high hopes
[12:42] <Burgundavia> manually parse through
[12:42] <Unfrgiven> Burgundavia: but arent breezy bugs supposed to be filed on malone?
[12:42] <Burgundavia> Unfrgiven, for universe yes, not for main
[12:43] <Unfrgiven> Burgundavia: yeah im looking for doing bug fixes for universe... im looking for work to do :)
[12:43] <\sh> yes strike
[12:43] <\sh> money flows
[12:44] <\sh> titan is broken, dtv service not running, krypton also fscking around == showering, running to office, break more hardware ;)
[12:45] <\sh> guys cu later...office is calling:)
[12:45] <Unfrgiven> \sh: cya
[12:46] <p0m> Ciao.
[12:46] <p0m> Treenaks: Before I forget, I'm getting my LPIC-2 next month.
[12:46] <Treenaks> LPIC-2?
[12:46] <Treenaks> oh wait.. lpi stuff
[12:47] <p0m> Yeah.
[12:47] <p0m> Finally found a testing centre over here.
[12:47] <p0m> Treenaks: http://lpi.org/en/lpic.html
[12:47] <p0m> I have some bogus certification for linux admin from brainbench too.
[01:14] <herve> lamont, ping
[01:14] <DanielN> hmm.. does the pbuilder howto works with a breezy chroot?
[01:15] <Burgundavia> DanielN, should
[01:15] <Burgundavia> I have testing a few apps, but nothing major
[01:16] <DanielN> mhm
[01:16] <DanielN> but i can't create the chroot with " sudo pbuilder create --distribution breezy"
[01:16] <herve> Daniel, I had to create a hoary pbuild then upgrade it to breezy
[01:17] <DanielN> and how do i update it?
[01:17] <herve> read the wiki page again, notes were added at the end
[01:18] <DanielN> ou .. i should reat until end in future :)
[01:18] <herve> erm...
[01:18] <herve> :-)
[02:32] <MarioOs> hello everyone
[02:35] <MarioOs> everybody's sleeping again :p
[02:37] <ajmitch> some people are just impatient :)
[02:39] <tseng> too bad
[03:47] <tseng> what are these people thinking
[03:47] <tseng> they definately did backport mono 1.1.7 and no compatible apps
[03:48] <tseng> likewise they didnt backport the bindings for the /usr/lib/mono move
[03:50] <Burgundavia> ouch ouch
[03:51] <siretart> hi tseng, hi Burgundavia
[03:52] <Burgundavia> salut siretart
[03:54] <\sh> re
[03:55] <tseng> hi
[03:55] <herve> hi ditto
[03:56] <\sh> well...this day isn't fun :(
[03:57] <\sh> first of all, some dtv stuff broke, so I have to go tomorrow morning at 4:30am early to work
[03:58] <whiprush> morning everyone
[03:58] <herve> morning whiprush
[03:58] <\sh> second, when I was going to the office at 1:00pm many people were already drunk and filling up the streets in this village here...horrible, terrible
[03:59] <\sh> hi whiprush
[03:59] <siretart> \sh: where are you from?
[04:00] <\sh> siretart: kerpen-sindorf :) near cologne, the place where michael schumachers cart center is
[04:00] <siretart> ah, great! :)
[04:01] <\sh> siretart: and u?
[04:04] <siretart> \sh: I'm from Nuernberg and studiing in Erlangen. I thought you where from Erlangen, because there is the 'Bergkirchweih' right now celebrating it's 250th anniversary
[04:05] <siretart> and here nearby everey student is drunk because of that ;)
[04:05] <\sh> siretart: hehe..no :) this here is some "welcome to sindorf, where michael schumacher is, eat and drink until u die" party ;)
[04:05] <siretart> I understand :)
[04:06] <\sh> normally it's fun ;) but if u have to go to work and have to look at this feast, it's a mess and I was scared ;)
[04:08] <\sh> and now back to my package here...
[04:16] <herve> impatient, you said? :-)
[04:17] <\sh> herve: time?
[04:18] <\sh> herve: only to have a look at something strange ;)
[04:19] <herve> I was just referring to those people coming in and out in a row
[04:20] <\sh> i need some advise ;)
[04:20] <herve> hmm... I have nothing to do for the next half an jour!
[04:21] <herve> s/jour/hour
[04:21] <\sh> herve: fine :)
[04:21] <\sh> herve: do me the favour and apt-get source arkrpg
[04:22] <herve> done
[04:22] <\sh> ok...
[04:22] <\sh> now this is a cdbs ruleset...iit's using simple-patchsys...what would the easiest way to apply the patches and add some changes and diff again?
[04:23] <herve> I don't know that
[04:23] <\sh> ok..other question ;) take a look in the source tree: Modules/Reender/Makefile.am
[04:24] <herve> you need my advice on the style of the file? :-)
[04:24] <\sh> well...u see the cflags line? i have troubles with this ${X_CFLAGS} it doesn't look right
[04:26] <\sh> now, i want to exchange ${X_CFLAGS} to @X_CFLAGS@ and aclocal;automake;autoconf again and make another diff ;)
[04:26] <herve> hmm...
[04:26] <herve> it's a good ol' variable in makefile format
[04:26] <herve> no?
[04:26] <\sh> yeah
[04:26] <\sh> but I have to provide configure the --x-includes directive and with this original setting it doesn't compile..
[04:26] <herve> it will be changed when make runs, not when Makefile.am -> Makefile
[04:27] <\sh> it will change after automake
[04:27] <\sh> and autoconf
[04:27] <\sh> to become a nice Makefile ;)
[04:27] <\sh> but i think not with this ${} format
[04:27] <\sh> forget it ...it doesn't work this way or the other
[04:27] <herve> did you check if they did the same in CVS/SVN/wathever?
[04:29] <\sh> well, the only problem i have is, that one include file is not finding X11/Xlib.h
[04:30] <\sh> and X11/Xlib.h is in /usr/X11R6/include/X11/
[04:30] <\sh> and I don't why it's messing up..
[04:31] <herve> I guess you know xorg has been cut in little pieces?
[04:31] <herve> including (especially?) the headers?
[04:31] <\sh> well...X11/Xlib.h should be in libx11-dev
[04:31] <herve> you probably just need to update the build deps
[04:31] <herve> apt-file search?
[04:32] <\sh> apt-file?
[04:32] <herve> don't tell me you don't know it :-)
[04:32] <\sh> normally i'm looking into the sources ;)
[04:33] <\sh> but it gives me nothing
[04:33] <herve> you ran apt-file update,
[04:33] <herve> ?
[04:34] <\sh> missing curl
[04:34] <\sh> woot? why isn't in the deps?
[04:34] <herve> don't ask to me...
[04:34] <\sh> something to fix ;)
[04:35] <\sh> libx11-dev: usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlib.h
[04:35] <\sh> as i said :) and this is installed :)
[04:36] <herve> ok, you win this one :-)
[04:37] <\sh> at least something could be wrong with autotools
[04:38] <\sh> but i don't think so
[04:38] <\sh> it's not taking the ${X_CFLAGS}
[04:45] <\sh> argl
[04:45] <\sh> Checking for libraries...
[04:45] <\sh> -----------------------
[04:45] <\sh> checking for X... /home/shermann/breezy/transistion/arkrpg-0.1.4b/./configure: line 20949: test: too many arguments
[04:48] <\sh> i think i know wheres the mistake
[05:12] <\sh> grmpf
[05:35] <herve> \sh, you're working it out?
[05:36] <\sh> herve: yep
[05:36] <\sh> solution is to get it updated to aclocal/automake 1.7
[05:37] <herve> simply :-)
[05:37] <\sh> some tests in ./configure are not running correctly
[05:37] <\sh> and those tests are affecting the x-includes and x-libs directly ;)
[05:37] <herve> I read a thread about pros and cons of having chosen auto* for xorg 6.9/7.0
[05:38] <\sh> think most of the problems u have with different versions of those autotools
[05:39] <herve> they said portability is also an issue
[05:39] <herve> because auto* may have problems/be outdated on some archs
[05:40] <herve> then they talked about scons and other competitors
[05:59] <hondje> Hello, great and noble MOTU. Is there a ubuntu bzflag maintainer, who will ensure optimum playability of that great game?
[06:02] <hondje> oh, and wil bzflag 2 be in the next release?
[06:02] <ogra> hondje, we have no personalized packages, but a MOTUGames team is just forming....
[06:02] <hondje> what's required of a maintainer, just packaging and simple bug fixes, right?
[06:02] <ogra> feel free to join them (no need to be a MOTU for that)
[06:03] <hondje> do I need to register w/ ubuntu to edit the wiki?
[06:03] <ogra> knowledge of packaging and that you went through the process of being a member first....
[06:03] <ogra> yep
[06:03] <hondje> IOW, serious and in it for a reasonable amt of time
[06:03] <ogra> hondje, for the games team, contact Burgundavia r siretart if one of them is around
[06:04] <hondje> oh, I've talked to burgundavia, good deal
[06:04] <ogra> yeah
[06:04] <hondje> finally, if any of you gurus know how to get matlab, nvidia and ubuntu to play nice, I'd be very thankful :)
[06:04] <ogra> if you're interested in becoming a MOTU, the first thing to do is to create yourself a own wikipage
[06:05] <hondje> I'm not wise enough to be a MOTU of anything
[06:05] <hondje> I'm a prototypical desktop user :)
[06:05] <ogra> nahh... thats not a matter of wisdom :)
[06:05] <hondje> Is there a group for scientific computer?
[06:05] <ogra> not yet :)
[06:05] <siretart> hondje: I play bzflag occasionally
[06:06] <hondje> siretart: bzflag2 is a whole new level of awesome, they did a great job :)
[06:06] <hondje> things like real weather, tracks in the ground, better graphics yet still smooth :)
[06:06] <siretart> hondje: I already heared about this, will take a look at that
[06:07] <ogra> hondje, do you know if its planned for debian ?
[06:07] <ogra> then it will hit ubuntu in any case
[06:07] <siretart> haggai: at the moment of hoary's release, there was no bzflag2, I think. As bzflag2 is already in debian, I'm quite sure it will get into breezy soon
[06:07] <herve> bzflag 2 is not in ubuntu yet? what a shame :-)
[06:08] <ogra> since when is it out ?
[06:08] <hondje> ogra: It was in sid months ago
[06:08] <hondje> I think the freeze missed it by mere days
[06:08] <siretart> herve: no. It has not even been synced from debian
[06:08] <ogra> hmm, sure ?
[06:08] <hondje> yeah
[06:08] <herve> siretart, probably because we applied ubuntu patches from it?
[06:08] <ogra> hondje, ubuntu is synced from sid...regulary
[06:08] <hondje> I was playing it before I switched to ubuntu for the desktop, which was the day hoary came out
[06:09] <hondje> I had sid before, so that's what I ass/u/med
[06:09] <siretart> herve: you are perfectly right. bzflag2 needs merging
[06:09] <siretart> hondje: thanks for pointing out
[06:09] <ogra> hondje, then it was like siretart said, we have to apply changes manually....so it will take some time...
[06:10] <ivoks> hi
[06:10] <ogra> siretart, btw, poker3d didnt compile :/
[06:10] <hondje> oh, so will it go into hoary too?
[06:10] <ogra> there are two libs missing
[06:10] <siretart> ogra: damn. do you have a compilelog handy?
[06:10] <siretart> gnarf
[06:10] <ogra> hondje, there are no updates or hoary anymore
[06:10] <hondje> okay, that's what I thought...bugfixes / security only
[06:11] <siretart> hondje: no. you would have to compile it for yourself :(
[06:11] <ogra> siretart, for one, drop the compile.stamp target from the clean target....
[06:11] <hondje> siretart: the sid .deb works fine if you force deps
[06:11] <hondje> I have to remove it each time I run dist-upgrade, but I can play it w/ minimal fuss :)
[06:11] <siretart> hondje: ouch
[06:11] <herve> ogra, looks like buildd is broken in the middle of the transition, tulip has the same issue
[06:12] <ogra> siretart, the other prob is, that openal and friends arent transitioned yet and one lib in the middle needs a simple recompile
[06:12] <herve> had it been uploaded 24 hours earlier and I'm sure it would have passed
[06:12] <hondje> siretart: I wasn't fond of doing that, but it didn't seem to be a worse idea than using jdong's packages, and I'm a big addict of that game
[06:12] <ogra> herve, ope, the buildd is fine
[06:12] <\sh> now i'm mad
[06:12] <herve> ogra, I mean the current state of packages the buildd is using
[06:13] <ogra> hondje, dont use backports, they are odd, break your system and cause lots of headdaches for all
[06:13] <hondje> and they're not really backports, either :)
[06:13] <\sh> now i have to do some patch investigations...remove them which I don't need anymore
[06:13] <hondje> We gave that poor kid such hell for calling them backports at another non-ubuntu forum he goes to :)
[06:13] <siretart> ogra: so, what do you suggest? wait until openal is fixed? (besides fixing debian/rules)
[06:13] <ogra> herve, its fine... openal is transitioned, but a lib that doesnt belong to the transition but epending on it  isnt yet... so its ok
[06:14] <herve> \sh, one way to appreciate your work is too have a worst leisure :-)
[06:14] <herve> my point, 24h earlier tulip would have passed
[06:14] <ogra> hondje, if they are not in hoary and come from a newer sid, they are backpots by definition
[06:15] <hondje> well, if you look at it from sid -> hoary, not hoary -> olderone
[06:15] <ogra> herve, but would have been uninsatllabe because of missing deps :)
[06:15] <\sh> herve: well...I'm trying to get this package compiled since this morning
[06:15] <hondje> don't get me wrong, he's a really nice kid and he does a lot of work
[06:16] <siretart> hondje: yes. but his packages make big problems when upgrading to the next release
[06:16] <ogra> hondje, dont get _me_ wrong, but i'm not particulary happy (as no ubuntu dev is) about miserable packaged software that breaks users systems
[06:16] <herve> ogra, agree, but I wouldn't have to care about it anymore ;-)
[06:17] <ogra> herve, you would ;) since you would have to adjust the deps for it being installable
[06:17] <hondje> that, and people have an expectation that something as formal sounding as 'ubuntu backports' has a higher level of checking-for-bugs
[06:17] <ogra> hondje, yep, thats the odest part of it
[06:17] <\sh> *grmpf*
[06:17] <ogra> oddest even
[06:17] <siretart> hondje: thats the reason why we discourage its use
[06:17] <siretart> one of them
[06:17] <hondje> yeah, makes sense
[06:18] <hondje> still the fact that you haven't seemed to gone all nazi on him says something nice about ubuntu
[06:18] <hondje> many other large projects get a bit rude
[06:18] <siretart> why doesn't he join motu at all?
[06:19] <ogra> hondje, we all sined the code of conduct to become members, we wsimply couldnt, even if we liked
[06:19] <ogra> signed even
[06:19] <hondje> there's a code of conduct? That's nice
[06:19] <\sh> why is libGLU.so linked against libstdc++.5 and not .6?
[06:19] <hondje> So #ubuntu isn't going to turn into a troll/flame fest like other distro chans :)
[06:19] <ogra> hondje, nope, as long as someone cares for that it wont :)
[06:19] <siretart> hondje: you can read about it here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[06:20] <\sh> hondje: we can't speak for the majority of the users which hasen't signed this code, but the members have some rules how to deal with other human being
[06:20] <\sh> s
[06:20] <hondje> That's the stuff I like, open source projects that keep in the spirit
[06:21] <siretart> which I consider a very important difference from debian
[06:21] <hondje> I didn't want to say the name out-loud
[06:22] <hondje> though to be fair, a lot of the devs are great guys at debian, it's just a certain clique or something
[06:22] <\sh> hondje: some of them are working for canonical/ubuntu :)
[06:22] <\sh> X is broken
[06:22] <\sh> completly broken
[06:23] <hondje> that's a good code, I approve of it
[06:23] <\sh> ogra: please check for me the ldd output of /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1.3 ;)
[06:23] <hondje> I'm really impressed with this project, especially since I came in with a rather cynical anti-ubuntu view
[06:23] <\sh> especially libstdc++
[06:23] <hondje> thanks for all the help, guys
[06:23] <ogra> \sh, yes... whats wrong with it
[06:23] <siretart> hondje: I had a look at the bzflag package. That shouldn't be too much work to get bzflag2 into breezy soon, as the only ubuntu changes are fixed build dependencies for xorg (debian uses xfree)
[06:23] <\sh> ogra: is it linked against .5 or .6 ?
[06:24] <ogra> \sh, 5
[06:24] <hondje> okay, awesome siretart
[06:24] <ogra> \sh, for a reason i guess
[06:24] <\sh> ogra: ok...then I can't compile this package
[06:24] <herve> \sh, I saw a package name changed about gl(u)
[06:24] <siretart> hondje: I will take a close look and prepare a package as soon as the CXXTransistion is done (and if there are no other issues with xorg packages or something)
[06:25] <hondje> okay, that's super good of you siretart, I can't wait to play it again :)
[06:25] <herve> \sh, "libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb7d5b000)"
[06:25] <zul> hey
[06:25] <herve> heya zul!
[06:25] <\sh> herve: which xorg version for u?
[06:25] <ogra> \sh, whats wrong with libstdc++5 ?
[06:25] <herve> siretart, I'll eagerly upload it!!!
[06:25] <zul> hey herve
[06:26] <\sh> ogra: g++ can't link against libGLU.so.1.3 because of libstdc++.5
[06:26] <ogra> \sh, its in main ....
[06:26] <herve> \sh, hehe, you'd like to know... :-)
[06:26] <\sh>  /usr/bin/ld: warning: libstdc++.so.5, needed by /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so, may conflict with libstdc++.so.6
[06:26] <herve> \sh, libglu1-xorg
[06:26] <siretart> herve: oh, then go ahead, I dont want to grab a package in front of you ;)
[06:27] <herve> \sh, up to date pbuilder?
[06:27] <herve> siretart, hu? did I miss an episode, you have upload rights by yourself?
[06:27] <\sh> herve: chroot
[06:27] <ogra> herve, not yet
[06:27] <herve> up to date chroot then :-)
[06:27] <ivoks> eh
[06:28] <herve> eh ivok
[06:28] <herve> s
[06:28] <\sh> sure
[06:28] <ivoks> hi herve, ogra, \sh, others :)
[06:28] <siretart> herve: no. I had let you review it, if you didn't mind ;)
[06:28] <\sh> this morning there was an xorg update
[06:28] <\sh> and I think that was the problem
[06:28] <ogra> \sh, isnt compiled yet
[06:28] <herve> siretart, review yes, not transitioning it
[06:29] <\sh> grmpf
[06:29] <ogra> (if it was uploaded after 0:00)
[06:29] <ogra> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/
[06:29] <\sh> xlibmesa-glu is the bug
[06:29] <herve> but what is the solution? :-)
[06:30] <\sh> and if i try to install libglu1-xorg now, everything is removed like kdelibs gksu etc.
[06:30] <ogra> \sh, i would wait with this package until x is in shape
[06:30] <ogra> heh, who needs kdelibs anyways
[06:30] <\sh> ogra: i thought libstdc++5 is the old lib for gcc 3.x
[06:30] <ogra> it is
[06:31] <herve> ogra, you seem to be a fan of autorefresh :-)
[06:31] <ogra> but you should make sure ++6 is compatible...
[06:31] <herve> yo Nafallo!
[06:31] <ogra> herve, only where it makes sense....
[06:31] <\sh> why the hell is kdelibs4c2 compiled against .5?
[06:31] <\sh> w8
[06:31] <Nafallo> hi herve! how's it going? :-)
[06:31] <Nafallo> hi all!
[06:31] <herve> ogra, which means never for me!
[06:31] <ogra> herve, i was annoyed that i had to do eternal reloads if i wait for a package to build
[06:31] <\sh> argl
[06:32] <herve> ogra, it's just because you're impatient
[06:32] <ogra> herve, now i can just keep the win in the background and will see if its there
[06:32] <\sh> now i'm depressed
[06:32] <\sh> i don't get uit
[06:32] <herve> as for me, I don't like a page to change its contents while I'm reading it
[06:32] <siretart> herve: If you are at it, go on, its yours
[06:32] <herve> siretart, no, I won't find time
[06:32] <ogra> herve, even if its a monitoring app ?
[06:33] <ogra> where the contents _have_ to be updated constantly
[06:33] <\sh> ok..i have two libstdc++
[06:33] <herve> have you thought about rss stream? :-)
[06:33] <Nafallo> like my log for ubusync :-).
[06:33] <ogra> herve, next setp, yes ;)
[06:33] <\sh> but one is used by xorg
[06:34] <ogra> herve, but for today i wanted to have a little syntax highlighting for the logs, so you see the build errors at a first glance
[06:35] <\sh> ogra: what about the old ones?
[06:35] <ogra> \sh, old ones ?
[06:35] <siretart> herve: oh, then I didn't understand you before. I will see the next days what I can do about it.
[06:35] <ogra> \sh, old what ?
[06:35] <\sh> ogra: build logs from yesterday ;)
[06:36] <ogra> \sh, look at lamonts dir....
[06:36] <herve> siretart, just being your sponsor because I like the idea of bzflag2 into breezy
[06:36] <doko> \sh, libGLU looks wrong. I look at it
[06:36] <\sh> ogra: i like your design ;)
[06:36] <ivoks> bzflag2?!
[06:36] <\sh> doko: thx
[06:36] <herve> siretart, but remember that if it has any c++ lib dep, it's frozen by the time of the transition
[06:36] <ivoks> i like bzflag :)
[06:36] <siretart> herve: no, its plain C
[06:37] <\sh> doko: libGLU is in /usr/lib/ and in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11
[06:37] <siretart> argl. sorry
[06:37] <ivoks> siretart: what's new in bzflag2?
[06:37] <herve> good thing!
[06:37] <siretart> it has c++
[06:37] <herve> hehe
[06:37] <ogra> \sh, be careful, one might have gotten pulled in by nvidia/ati.....
[06:38] <\sh> ogra: i don't have ati/nvidia running in my chroot of breezy ;)
[06:38] <ogra> \sh, ok
[06:38] <siretart> ivoks: just look at the shots here: http://www.bzflag.org/screenshots/ - a lot has happened!
[06:38] <hondje> See what I'm saying? It's gotten a lot better! Too bad I didn't have time to finish my korean port of it...now I feel guitly :)
[06:39] <\sh> ogra: but i have xlibmesa-glu installed and not libglu1 like herve ;)
[06:40] <\sh> so when I remove now xlibmesa and reinstall libglu1 it will remove all the other stuff like gksu and some other packs
[06:41] <herve> \sh, you have gksu in a chroot?
[06:41] <ivoks> hm...
[06:41] <ogra> huh ?
[06:42] <\sh> herve: installed by default
[06:42] <\sh> I'm not using it anyways
[06:44] <\sh> herve: and if you're using dchroot u are able to use it...and to screw your actual running kde session if you're starting kde apps ;)
[06:44] <Lathiat_> for a start you need to new version to play on the servers
[06:44] <Lathiat_> and it has better sounds. :)
[06:45] <herve> \sh, I always use chroot itself
[06:45] <\sh> herve: try dchroot :)
[06:46] <Lathiat_> ive already fixed the new bzflag btw
[06:46] <Lathiat_> its been on the toreview page for a week or so
[06:46] <Lathiat_> hondje, etc
[06:47] <hondje> Lathiat_: oh, that's great....are there .debs to 'bug test'?? :)
[06:47] <ivoks> dchroot rulz :)
[06:47] <Lathiat_> www.bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/
[06:47] <ivoks> .st?
[06:47] <Lathiat_> sao tome
[06:47] <Lathiat_> but im really in perth, western australia
[06:47] <ivoks> ?
[06:48] <Lathiat_> the .st is just bur[st] 
[06:48] <Lathiat_> as in burst
[06:48] <ivoks> ah, ok
[06:48] <Lathiat_> mildly vanity. :)
[06:48] <Lathiat_> we're a nonprofit ISP that do web hosting/email/dns etc for people in australia
[06:48] <hondje> nonprofit ISP?
[06:49] <herve> Lathiat_, I'll review it
[06:49] <Lathiat_> herve: all i did was chang ethe build-dep so
[06:49] <Lathiat_> hondje: we're a non-profit incorporated association
[06:49] <ivoks> i have package depending on libsigc++-dev
[06:49] <Lathiat_> and an ISP (internet service provider)
[06:49] <ivoks> should it depend on libsigc++-2.0 or 1.2
[06:49] <Lathiat_> we dont provide like DSL or dial-up, just web/dns/email/shell/etc
[06:49] <ivoks> ?
[06:50] <hondje> Lathiat_: Neat, connecting the world :)
[06:51] <\sh> yeah first reaction on my "cry for help getting biltong to europe" ;)
[06:51] <ivoks> did you watch F1?
[06:52] <\sh> ivoks: I was in the office to see some rounds on our videowall
[06:52] <ivoks> :)
[06:53] <ivoks> ms is the best driver at the moment...
[06:53] <\sh> i saw the "ferrari standing still on the road" scene ;)
[06:53] <ivoks> too bad it has italian car :(
[06:53] <herve> siretart, bzflag is a native package! *cry*
[06:53] <ivoks> \sh: oh, that was show and a bit dangerous
[06:54] <herve> "Dear Santa Claus, please don't bring gifts to the software developers playing the debian maintainer themselves, they are bad boys. Thank you for your attention."
[06:54] <siretart> wtf?!
[06:54] <\sh> ivoks: well...I'm not the "fan" of F1...neither MS...just because MS is just around the corner here...we're driving carts at his cart center in the summe during our afternoon pause :)
[06:55] <siretart> oh no
[06:55] <ivoks> \sh: :)))
[06:55] <ivoks> herve: lol, where did you find that?
[06:56] <ivoks> \sh: i'm not fan too, but this season is great
[06:56] <herve> ivoks, just improvised that
[06:56] <ogra> Lathiat_, did you only update the build deps ? or did you look in the MOM output for bzflag2 too ?
[06:56] <siretart> herve: whom of us writes a bugreport? ;)
[06:57] <hondje> what does this mean, that it was already made and just not in the repos?
[06:57] <herve> I should find/write an argumentary about the misuse of native packages
[06:57] <\sh> more that the upstream dev played with dh_make
[06:57] <ogra> herve, s/mis//g
[06:58] <Lathiat_> ogra: hmm?
[06:58] <ivoks> ogra: if i have package pkgnamec102 that conflitcs with pkgname, should my package be called pkgname or pkgnamec2?
[06:58] <herve> ogra, native packages have a mean for the debian project, so...
[06:58] <ogra> ivoks, pkgname
[06:58] <ivoks> ok
[06:58] <ogra> ivoks, all packages with c102 just loose their extension
[06:58] <ivoks> i know
[06:59] <siretart> herve: looking at the debian pages about that site, It doesn't look in great shape :(
[06:59] <herve> hondje, in short, it means I have to upload a 8 MB package just because I changed a few bytes
[06:59] <ogra> Lathiat_, in MOM are all other changes we made in ubuntu listed
[06:59] <hondje> herve: oh, sorry to hear that :)
[06:59] <Lathiat_> ogra: well i just went by the changelog which said only the build-deps were updated
[06:59] <herve> hondje, there's no separation of the software author job, and the maintainer job
[06:59] <Lathiat_> ogra: where do i find MOM?
[06:59] <ogra> Lathiat_, in the MOM package ?
[07:00] <herve> so no diff of what debian/ubuntu changed, etc.
[07:00] <hondje> oh, okay
[07:00] <ivoks> :)
[07:00] <Lathiat_> ogra: (i dont know what MOM is)
[07:00] <herve> and we end up to patch unmaintained debianizing crack
[07:01] <\sh> ivoks: Replaces: pkgname
[07:01] <\sh> ivoks: Conflicts: pkgname \n Replaces: pkgname
[07:01] <ogra> Lathiat_, http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/
[07:01] <Lathiat_> ogra: oh yeh thats where i got the stuff from
[07:01] <ogra> Lathiat_, MOM is Merge O Matic
[07:02] <Lathiat_> ogra: re-merged the dropped build-deps (and left some out that are now upstream)
[07:02] <ogra> Lathiat_, great :)
[07:02] <siretart> ogra: do you know if the source for MOM is avaiable somewhere?
[07:02] <ogra> siretart, ask Keybuk, its his baby
[07:02] <siretart> ok
[07:02] <ivoks> \sh: i know that :)
[07:04] <ivoks> great...
[07:07] <ivoks> anyone interested in fixing supercollider? :)
[07:09] <\sh> supercollider?
[07:09] <ivoks> yes, it isn't lib, but it's on CxxLibraryList
[07:09] <\sh> forget about apps
[07:09] <\sh> right now
[07:09] <ivoks> it isn't an app too :)
[07:10] <\sh> what is it then?
[07:10] <ivoks> Description: realtime sound synthesis server and network language interpreter
[07:10] <\sh> no app, no lib? so it's an app ;)
[07:10] <ivoks> ok :)
[07:10] <\sh> i'm just stucked with arkrpg/libarkrpg
[07:11] <\sh> so i'm updating to libglu1-xorg and removing my kde stuff
[07:11] <\sh> ok
[07:11] <Lathiat_> upgrading ot that hurts
[07:11] <Lathiat_> it removes like 50 packages on my system
[07:11] <\sh> yeah
[07:12] <Lathiat_> gdm, xbase-clients, that sort of thing. :)
[07:12] <Lathiat_> g-s-t too
[07:13] <herve> looks like we didn't say *not* to update enough :-)
[07:13] <Lathiat_> i know :)
[07:14] <\sh> herve: I'm not complaining if something breaks ;)
[07:14] <zul> sure sure
[07:14] <Lathiat_> i was just pointing out :)
[07:14] <ivoks> :)
[07:14] <\sh> at least i'M happy if my arkrpg is compiling ;)
[07:14] <ivoks> i'm updating every 3-4 hours :)
[07:14] <DanielN> has someone of you guys tried qemu-launcher yet?
[07:14] <ivoks> is taht bad?
[07:14] <ivoks> :))
[07:15] <herve> \sh, it's a chroot!
[07:16] <ivoks> when should we end transition?
[07:16] <\sh> hahaha
[07:16] <ivoks> cause, it's going very well... and fast :)
[07:16] <\sh> this is not truew
[07:16] <\sh> libsdl1.2(-dev) depends on xlibmesa-glu
[07:16] <\sh> this was removed now after update to libglu-dev-xorg
[07:17] <herve> \sh, I'm worrying about your mental health
[07:17] <herve> I suggest a walk and fresh air outside
[07:17] <herve> :-)
[07:17] <ivoks> :)
[07:17] <ivoks> or rollerblading
[07:17] <ivoks> fast rollerblading :)
[07:17] <ivoks> down the hill ;)
[07:17] <\sh> well...I would say: \sh go to bed, and sleep until 3:00am and go to work
[07:21] <ivoks> ogra: ping
[07:21] <ogra> ivoks, pong
[07:21] <ivoks> ping
[07:21] <ivoks> :)
[07:22] <ivoks> ogra: couple of my patches are submited to bugzilla, just to inform you...
[07:22] <ogra> ivoks, oki
[07:28] <\sh> gents, I will go to bed
[07:28] <herve> night \sh
[07:29] <\sh> ogra: press your thumbs tomorrow morning latest at 5am ;)
[07:29] <ogra> hmm, if i'm awake, i'll do ;)
[07:30] <tseng> jo
[07:30] <tseng> hi
[07:30] <\sh> ogra: rebooting the BMR ;) so all the non-upgrade areas don't have DTV ;)
[07:30] <ogra> hehe, have fun :)
[07:30] <\sh> yeah..:)
[07:31] <\sh> cu
[07:31] <ivoks> bye
[07:31] <ivoks> i'll go too now ; bye
[07:32] <herve> bye
[07:33] <tseng> is it funny?
[07:33] <ogra> heh, probably a bit scary too :)
[07:34] <herve> siretart, ping
[07:34] <siretart> herve: pong
[07:34] <tseng> probably.
[07:35] <herve> siretart, I'm not confident about dholbach's entry appearing in the middle of the changelog
[07:35] <herve> I don't think we're supposed to merge that too :-)
[07:36] <herve> the point it that it's outdated compared to the previous entry
[07:36] <siretart> herve: which package are you talking about right now?
[07:36] <herve> 2.0.2... -> 1.10.6... -> 2.0.2
[07:36] <herve> it looks strange
[07:36] <herve> oops, bzflag
[07:37] <herve> nevermind
[07:37] <herve> I'm losing my mind!
[07:37] <siretart> ah, I didn't look at it yet, sorry.
[07:37] <herve> lathiat_, ping!
[07:37] <herve> siretart, wrong person, sorry
[07:37] <siretart> herve: never mind, We all get dizzy after too much work ;)
[07:37] <herve> or Lathiat_ if case matters
[07:37] <siretart> ;)
[07:38] <herve> siretart, I know my illness, I'm getting hungry!
[07:38] <siretart> that reminds me..
[08:09] <herve> what's that change to MOTUTodo!
[11:17] <tseng> ogra: oh oh, i posted your quote on the wrong blog
[11:17] <tseng> ogra: i thought you meant the cd one
[11:19] <Mithrandir> hi tseng
[11:19] <tseng> hey
[11:19] <tseng> Mithrandir: moved yet?
[11:20] <Mithrandir> nah, that's in a month.
[11:20] <Mithrandir> Thesis is due June 16th
[11:20] <tseng> hm i moved 2 months ago
[11:20] <tseng> and im still moving/buying stuff
[11:20] <Mithrandir> we need to find an apartment, though.
[11:20] <Mithrandir> that is, we're moving to a temporary place, then buying something, somewhere.
[11:21] <tseng> ah yeah
[11:21] <tseng> i live in a larger apt w/ 2 friends
[11:21] <tseng> i need a house for all my pcs
[11:21] <Mithrandir> we're moving to a fairly big one, so we should be cautious not to be too spoiled, I guess.
[11:21] <Mithrandir> we're getting a server room, I hope.
[11:21] <ogra> tseng, whats wrong with the entry ?
[11:22] <tseng> ogra: you said before, it was funny/scary
[11:22] <tseng> i just realized, you meant the one before the one i had just written at the time
[11:22] <ogra> ah
[11:22] <ogra> sure since i didnt know the one you wrote while i was saying that ;)
[11:23] <tseng> yeah
[11:23] <ogra> hmm, thats a nice one.... but i doubt i'll get internet access in a 10 ppl village
[11:23] <ogra> http://www.immobilienpalm.de/index.php?cat=expose&id=76&start=0
[11:24] <tseng> i am writing more stuff for people reading the blog than for planet now
[11:24] <tseng> i hope we dont get the same way as debian/gentoo planet
[11:24] <ogra> did you see the new design of planet.gnome ?
[11:24] <tseng> yes
[11:24] <tseng> its fun, but i think ill get tired of it
[11:25] <tseng> all the gfx fluff kind of distracts me when reading the shorter entries
[11:25] <tseng> like Dave Neary's right now
[11:26] <tseng> i need blam to be smart about blog authors
[11:27] <tseng> so when i read jdub on planet gnome, he is marked read everywhere else
[11:27] <ogra> yeah, implement it
[11:27] <ivoks> hi
[11:27] <tseng> planet gnome, freedesktop, and ubuntu have enough overlap to be annoying
[11:27] <Mithrandir> it should be easy enough.  Make the "read" list global.
[11:27] <Mithrandir> and index it on URLs.
[11:28] <tseng> indeed
[11:28] <tseng> hopefully thats in the C# half of blam
[11:28] <tseng> and not in c++
[11:29] <Mithrandir> I should fix that in liferea.
[11:30] <Treenaks>  again
[11:32] <GheRivero> res people
[11:33] <ivoks> does anyone knows, is there any plan to do graphical installer for ubuntu?
[11:34] <GheRivero> i think so, but not for the next one
[11:34] <Mithrandir> ivoks: there is.
[11:34] <Mithrandir> possibly for breezy.
[11:34] <ivoks> Mithrandir: any url?
[11:34] <ivoks> Mithrandir: i would like to help
[11:34] <ogra> ivoks, yes, i'm writing on it
[11:34] <ivoks> ogra: you do?
[11:34] <ogra> yep
[11:34] <Mithrandir> ivoks: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalInstaller
[11:34] <ivoks> great
[11:34] <ivoks> thanx
[11:34] <ogra> but only on the graphical part...
[11:34] <GheRivero> ogra, any release plan?
[11:34] <Mithrandir> ogra: the ubuntuexpress stuff or the gtk-stuff for d-i?
[11:35] <ogra> Mithrandir, i'd go for both, but d-i is breezy+1 afaik
[11:35] <Mithrandir> ogra: it was warty+1 a year ago.. :/
[11:35] <ogra> Mithrandir, nope, it was woody+1  :)
[11:36] <ogra> iirc
[11:36] <Mithrandir> ogra: no, it never was.
[11:36] <Mithrandir> ogra: I used to be the d-i developer, I kinda know d-i history. :P
[11:36] <ogra> oh, i saw the first gtk+ d-i stuff short after woody release
[11:36] <ogra> (was still gtk1)
[11:37] <Mithrandir> woody doesn't have d-i. :)
[11:37] <Mithrandir> it's b-f
[11:37] <ogra> Mithrandir, i know, but before joey released the first d-i there was someone working on a gtk nterface...
[11:38] <Mithrandir> ogra: yes, I know, and it was somewhat working, but never really a sarge target.
[11:38] <ogra> Mithrandir, i know he dropped it, but i've seen screenshots...
[11:38] <ogra> (it was ugly enough to prefer the text interface)
[11:39] <Mithrandir> it had a lot of other problems, really.
[11:40] <ogra> GheRivero, not yet.... i'm working on a basic mockup, to get some decisions from the release team about the design, then the real work will start... if possible it will only be a dbus frontend... UbuntuExpress is somewhat easier then the real installer...
[11:41] <ivoks> A user boots the live CD, falls in love with Ubuntu, and wants to use it forever after - lol
[11:41] <ogra> ...since you can do all settings in the first window + partitioning, the rest will only be some entertainment for the user while he waits :)
[11:43] <ogra> hmmm
[11:43] <ogra> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=176&item=5774576631&rd=1
[11:43] <ogra> cheapo
[11:45] <ogra> he sells it because of his GF
[11:45] <ogra> mine just couraged me to buy it ;)
[11:45] <tseng> hm
[11:45] <tseng> grossrechner means to me "giant calculator"
[11:45] <Mithrandir> that's just a rack?
[11:45] <ogra> nope
[11:45] <Mithrandir> or an actual s390?
[11:46] <Mithrandir> for 25.5E?
[11:46] <Mithrandir> that's bloody cheap
[11:46] <ogra> a complete machine, including the maintenace lapto
[11:46] <ogra> p
[11:46] <Mithrandir> Karianne would kill me, though
[11:46] <tseng> make her play with the fox while you "sneak" it in
[11:46] <tseng> :)
[11:46] <Mithrandir> good idea.
[11:46] <ogra> yep, and susus wants it, so she can get my glass server cabinet for her tomatoes
[11:46] <Mithrandir> might work.
[11:47] <Mithrandir> for about 30 seconds.
[11:52] <tseng> who is stephan hermann on irc?
[11:52] <tseng> i dont have him matched up yet
[11:52] <ogra> \sh
[11:52] <tseng> ah rock on
[11:52] <tseng> \sh: welcome aboard
[11:53] <ogra> i think he's asleep....has to be up at 5
[11:53] <ivoks> he's a MOTU? :)
[11:53] <ogra> not yet
[11:53] <tseng> a member
[11:53] <ogra> a member
[11:53] <ivoks> ah, ok
[11:54] <tseng> its pretty easy to be a member
[11:54] <tseng> just be a consistant contributor
[11:54] <ivoks> hm, then i could be too? :)
[11:54] <tseng> of anything..
[11:54] <ogra> ivoks, sure
[11:54] <tseng> sure make yourself a wiki page with all the cool stuff you do in ubuntu
[11:54] <tseng> and when you feel like you deserve it, link yourself on the CC agenda :)
[11:55] <ivoks> heh, Cxx transition
[11:55] <ogra> ivoks, yep
[11:55] <ivoks> and ubuntu.hr
[11:55] <tseng> yep list packages/bugs you fixed then
[11:55] <tseng> and that
[11:55] <tseng> you should pass easy
[11:55] <ivoks> :)
[11:55] <tseng> then you can be on planet
[11:55] <tseng> and eventually get an ubuntu email
[11:55] <ivoks> planet?
[11:55] <tseng> "eventually"
[11:55] <tseng> planet.ubuntu.com
[11:56] <ivoks> ah, ok
[11:56] <ivoks> no need for email :)
[11:56] <tseng> its just a forward
[11:56] <ivoks> i'm admin of my mail server :)
[11:56] <tseng> for bragging rights
[11:56] <ivoks> ah, ok
[11:56] <tseng> oh and you have a say in some meetings
[11:56] <tseng> like approving new members
[11:57] <tseng> eh, its cool, and will only take you a few minutes
[11:57] <ivoks> ok
[11:57] <ivoks> will expand my wiki then
[11:57] <tseng> so i finally got an atheros pci cards
[11:58] <tseng> so tired of messing around with manfcts printing the same model # with different chips on it
[11:58] <ogra> hmm....is that an advantage ?
[11:58] <tseng> over the other crap I have, yes
[11:58] <ogra> (a atheos card ?)
[11:58] <tseng> 802.11g
[11:58] <Mithrandir> ipw2200 now has monitor support.
[11:59] <tseng> wow!
[11:59] <tseng> i have that in my laptop
[11:59] <Mithrandir> which totally rocks.
[11:59] <tseng> yep thats the one missing feature
[11:59] <tseng> once they enable the wpa stuff
[11:59] <Mithrandir> 1.0.4 has; will be in the next+1 version.
[12:00] <tseng> i wish there was a pci card based on the ipw chips
[12:00] <Mithrandir> I don't care about WPA; and network is insecure, you have to do end-to-end encryption to be safe, imho.
[12:00] <ivoks> yeah, i should d/w new ipw2200
[12:00] <Mithrandir> heh, the PS3 has 256MB RAM and 256MB videoram.
[12:01] <tseng> what arch is ps3?
[12:01] <Mithrandir> powerpc
[12:01] <tseng> people do not seem to grasp that the new xbox is ppc
[12:01] <tseng> they keep talking about stuff like "what nt kernel will this run?" "will they have media center edition?"
[12:01] <Mithrandir> well, I've run NT4 for PowerPC.