[12:00] <teroedni_> does linux have an more realitistic benchmark
[12:00] <kisain> can you get ebooks through syn?
[12:00] <teroedni_> :P
[12:00] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: if it works without a problem, isn't that enough :-/
[12:00] <LazySod> the "leave sound at remote" doesn't work with rdesktop... any ideas how to fix this?
[12:00] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: be happy that your system works :-|
[12:00] <jrhodes> nickrud: dead on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogomips
[12:00] <IIIEars> How can i check md5 hashes from the command line?
[12:00] <Fator_Dee> IIIEars: man md5sum :-p
[12:01] <teroedni_> cant i am an overclocker and want to get the best out of my system;)
[12:01] <IIIEars> okay - man md5 did pfft! - lol
[12:01] <mypapit> IIIEars, md5sum pukimak.img << where pukimak.img is your file
[12:01] <teroedni_> factor_dee why do you say that
[12:01] <nickrud> jrhodes, back when I compiled kernels, linus mentioned that while replying to a mail on the list, and I never forgot
[12:01] <IIIEars> Thank You :)
[12:02] <we2by> wow
[12:02] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: 'cause my comp doesn't work :-\, ram got borged
[12:02] <we2by> Ubuntu is great
[12:02] <teroedni_> borged?
[12:02] <xMaximex> does anyone know how to set gkrellm to use lm-sensors data for cpu temp ?
[12:02] <Lafitte-> anyone ever see any bottom bars that look and act like os10 ?   where the icons raise when mouseover ?
[12:02] <Fator_Dee> blown up, fucked up, not working
[12:02] <teroedni_> doesnt understand evry computer language
[12:03] <teroedni_> ahh
[12:03] <Kpjas> I wonder one thing that it usually said  about U is that it has access to enormous number of Debian packages and now I hear installing Debian packages is not recommended ? what is the way to go when an app is not available in U ? Compile from sources ?
[12:03] <Jet2k5> where can I find the minimum requirements for Ubuntu?
[12:03] <jrhodes> Lafitte-, e17's "engage" does that pretty well... it's just a bit of an annoyance to get it working
[12:03] <teroedni_> jet2k5 works fine on my p2 350 mhz
[12:03] <uireow> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25586.html <-- I need to do the second thing he did in the second post.  Can someone make sense of what -lXxf86vm does?
[12:03] <Lafitte-> jrhodes, aww
[12:03] <teroedni_> have you got below that?
[12:04] <nickrud> Kpjas, try multiverse first, and then, if you're brave, you can try. I couldn't get the one thing I wanted
[12:04] <jrhodes> Jet2k5, reasonable minimum requirements are a Pentium II-class CPU, 64MB ram, and a 5GB hard drive
[12:04] <uireow> speaking of engage, I'm compiling evas
[12:04] <teroedni_> can you get post with the ram factor-dee?
[12:05] <sebas__> nickrud it didn't help the x-server did not restart
[12:05] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: could you rephrase? and it's Fator ;-)
[12:05] <Kpjas> Jet2k5: and a decent gfx card I think
[12:05] <nickrud> sebas__, you were too fast, I wanted to look at it first :)
[12:05] <teroedni_> upps stuoid me
[12:05] <teroedni_> stupid
[12:05] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: but not the first one :-)
[12:05] <nickrud> sebas__, can you post it on pastebin.com for me?
[12:06] <pdk001> hi all
[12:06] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: but what did you mean exactly?
[12:06] <teroedni_> can you get any thing on the monitor with the faulty ram innstalled?
[12:06] <jrhodes> where a 'decent graphics card' in this case is anything MillenniumII/Permedia2 and up for just multimedia and desktop, and geforce2/radeon7000 and up for gaming
[12:06] <Jet2k5> that's it guys?
[12:06] <Jet2k5> I have a friend that wants to try Linux he has like a 600 MHz processor
[12:06] <Lafitte-> jrhodes,  where does one find that   im on web page   but doesnt look like correct stuff there
[12:06] <Jet2k5> and 180 megs of ram
[12:06] <jrhodes> that'll do.
[12:06] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: I can boot up, XFCE starts ok, and after a minute or two it reboots or hangs up
[12:06] <Jet2k5> K
[12:06] <xMaximex> does anyone know how to set gkrellm to use lm-sensors data for cpu temp ?
[12:06] <teroedni_> no problem
[12:06] <Jet2k5> I thought it would bee way too slow
[12:06] <Jet2k5> thanks guys
[12:06] <Jet2k5> have a good one
[12:06] <jrhodes> I used to run linux on a P2-450
[12:07] <nickrud> sebas__, try again :)
[12:07] <jrhodes> and I still run it on a 50mhz SuperSparc!
[12:07] <teroedni_> what is xfce then?
[12:07] <sebas__> nickrud will try never been there and i have to rewrite Gedit but I just lost the info
[12:07] <jrhodes> xfce is a window manager
[12:07] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: it's like Gnome and KDE
[12:07] <nickrud> sebas__, you on another computer right now?
[12:07] <jrhodes> except without the bloat, and it doesn't do a 'desktop'
[12:07] <teroedni_> have you tried lowering latency and mhz?
[12:08] <sebas__> nick-rud sorry it forced me to sudo dpkg-reconfigure ..........
[12:08] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: I'm not exactly proficient with that kind of stuff :-\
[12:08] <othernoob> what do i have to do to get opera to see the jre ?
[12:08] <sebas__> nickrud same machine two partitions
[12:08] <nickrud> sebas__, that's ok, just add those two lines, exactly
[12:08] <teroedni_> you mean your not used to bios? or?
[12:08] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: and it started doing that only a week or two ago, first it would be okay for a few hours, and then it got worse, not staying up for a ten minutes
[12:09] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: so I think the memories are dying of old age :-p
[12:09] <sebas__> nickrud I'm sorry I lost the numbers you looked up for me
[12:09] <teroedni_> how do you know its memory?
[12:10] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: I had 3 chips (or what are they called) a friend of mine took one, it did the same thing with his comp
[12:10] <teroedni_> what computer is it
[12:10] <`psycho> hi ppl
[12:10] <marios> hello everyone
[12:10] <sebas__> nickrud saving X-chat history is something I have to learn also I can't expect to be answered again
[12:10] <`psycho> can sombody please help me with wine?
[12:10] <marios> what's the problem with wine?
[12:10] <Ali_Baba> Is there a big difference if you compile java code with javac or with gcj?
[12:11] <marios> @alibaba:nop
[12:11] <nickrud> sebas__, don't worry about it, you'll get up that learning curve
[12:11] <`psycho> i get error 1
[12:11] <teroedni_> it may be
[12:11] <teroedni_> but you may be able to get it living if you can lower their speed
[12:12] <teroedni_> fator_dee?
[12:12] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: I don't know if I the time
[12:12] <dug> Ali_Baba: no, but for big java apps, someone was saying java 1.5 has a memory leak
[12:12] <teroedni_> what?
[12:14] <nicklax> anyone knows how much will be longer available mplayer? :'(
[12:15] <urb85> Guys anyone know how to install KDE on Ubuntu>
[12:15] <Lafitte-> if i install enlightenment   how do i run it  instead of gnome ?
[12:15] <Riddell> urb85: kubuntu.org/faq.php
[12:15] <nicklax> urb85, you should install kubuntu, it's like ubuntu but with Kde
[12:16] <tnlaw2> nicklax i agree kubuntu is best
[12:16] <Lafitte-> why is kde best ?
[12:16] <urb85> Riddell, thanks
[12:16] <urb85> nicklax, thanks but I have Ubuntu already in
[12:16] <nicklax> urb85, no problem, just a suggestion
[12:17] <nicklax> Lafitte-, he said that it's better to install kubuntu than kde in ubuntu, not that kde is better ;)
[12:17] <urb85> nicklax, I have just found it on kubuntu/faq.php :)
[12:17] <nicklax> urb85, cool
[12:17] <Lafitte-> nicklax,  aww    you know how to switch from gnome to enlightement ?
[12:18] <Lafitte-> nicklax,   i installed enlightenment   but i need to run it somehow now
[12:18] <nickrud> Lafitte-, echo <command to run enlightenment>  > .xsession
[12:18] <nickrud> Lafitte-, then select xsession from gdm login screen
[12:18] <carl> I setup a WEP connection to an AP, it worked.  Now I am a trying to get the box to connect to an AP that doesn't need WEP, and I can't get the KEY to go away
[12:18] <nicklax> Lafitte-, yes, just like nickrud said :D
[12:19] <nickrud> nicklax, I couldn't really read your mplayer question, you want to install it?
[12:19] <nicklax> nickrud, no, i meant how longer will it be avaialbe because of the legal stuff
[12:19] <peter__> I want to work wie
[12:20] <peter__> I want to work wireless with a conceptronic usb 54 adapter
[12:20] <aristo> I just install Ubuntu, and i do a sudo passwd root for giving a root password, it works only on the console
[12:20] <nickrud> nicklax, it appears that debian is allowing it into main, so I think the mplayer guys have done some tricky stuff to make it legal, you get to illegal by getting the codecs :)
[12:21] <aristo> when ill tried to use the gui version for administration tools, it didnt take the password.. you got a clue why
[12:21] <nicklax> nickrud, yeah, the essential codecs :D
[12:21] <urb85> Riddell, with KDE installed on top of Ubuntu, will I still be able to use Gnome?
[12:21] <marios> yup
[12:21] <Riddell> urb85: certainly can
[12:21] <urb85> Riddell, thanks
[12:21] <nickrud> nicklax, hey, a crippled, legal mplayer that will allow us to be illegal on a case by case basis is acceptable, I think :)
[12:22] <aristo> ...
[12:23] <AristoMagnus> I just install Ubuntu, and i do a sudo passwd root for giving a root password, it works only on the console
[12:23] <AristoMagnus> when ill tried to use the gui version for administration tools, it didnt take the password.. you got a clue why
[12:23] <Lafitte-> nice      ubuntu defaults to gnome either way you do it
[12:24] <apsuva> What is the location of the "gcc" program
[12:24] <rupertsw> AristoMagnus, Yeah - they use gksudo, which, like sudo, asks for your normal user password
[12:24] <apsuva> /usr/bin/gcc ?
[12:24] <ys76> apsuva, which gcc
[12:24] <thenuke_> AristoMagnus: you use your own password for those
[12:24] <Lafitte-> /usr/bin/gcc
[12:24] <AristoMagnus> thenuke_, my user passwd ?
[12:24] <thenuke_> AristoMagnus: yes
[12:25] <Lafitte-> apsuva,  if its installed   mine wasnt by default
[12:25] <AristoMagnus> your right
[12:25] <apsuva> The answer "/usr/bin/gcc" is invalid.  It must be the complete name of a binary
[12:25] <apsuva> file.
[12:25] <AristoMagnus> lol
[12:25] <AristoMagnus> my user is a super user?
[12:25] <nicklax> Hey, anyone knows how can i make links to the files i mean, like shortcuts, i can't remember the command :)
[12:25] <rupertsw> nicklax, ln or ln -s
[12:25] <thenuke_> AristoMagnus: rather like able to be one when needed ;)
[12:25] <nickrud> nicklax, ln -s
[12:25] <nicklax> thankx :D
[12:25] <Lafitte-> apsuva,  i typed which gcc   i got that
[12:25] <thenuke_> AristoMagnus: sudoer, that is
[12:25] <AristoMagnus> ok
[12:25] <Lafitte-> apsuva,  type sudo apt-get install gcc
[12:26] <AristoMagnus> but if i create another user.. he will not be able to configure it
[12:26] <AristoMagnus> just hope lol
[12:26] <Lafitte-> apsuva,  see what that says
[12:26] <thenuke_> AristoMagnus: /etc/sudoers configures that thing, if you ever need others
[12:26] <apsuva> now running update
[12:26] <nickrud> AristoMagnus, your first user is added to the admin group, which has sudo powers, any other user you you can chose not to add to that group
[12:26] <Ali_Baba> thanks for java answers.
[12:27] <Marble2> Does anyone know why traceroute doesn't work for me? I've tried tcptraceroute too, that doesn't work. Everything just times out after the first hop. I can use the internet fine
[12:27] <apsuva> i m later use this command
[12:27] <AristoMagnus> ok
[12:27] <apsuva> i am not speak english sorry
[12:27] <AristoMagnus> thanks guys
[12:27] <apsuva> thanks Lafitte-
[12:28] <Lafitte-> apsuva,  yep :)
[12:28] <AristoMagnus> and also, i wanna know if i can use dual screen by configuring something easyer than just editing xorg.conf
[12:28] <thenuke_> Lafitte-: should not gcc be installed by apt-getting build-essentials?
[12:28] <venkat> Hey knowledgeable guys, does anyone know how ipmasq is configured / what it is configured to do in ubuntu
[12:28] <AristoMagnus> i tried my xorg.conf that i had from my gentoo box.. and it froze the machine :/
[12:28] <venkat> the /etc/init.d/ipmasq
[12:28] <Kraeloc> In most cases, a package for Debian should work on Ubuntu, correct?
[12:28] <rupertsw> Kraeloc, Yep
[12:28] <Lafitte-> thenuke_,  i got mine just with apt-get install gcc   then i compiled cegega withit
[12:29] <urb85> Riddell, I have just installed KDE, to make it active do I have to Log-off?
[12:29] <venkat> i had to turn off that service to get connected to the net
[12:29] <Lafitte-> thenuke_,  not sure why wasnt in already  usually  builds have compiler installed already
[12:29] <zakann> hello
[12:29] <thenuke_> Lafitte-: cant fit everything on one cd
[12:29] <Riddell> urb85: you might be able to run the programs from the Applications menu straight away (assuming gnome does dynamic updates like that), otherwise log off and choose KDE as your session
[12:29] <thenuke_> Lafitte-: and very few ones actually need to build things by them selves
[12:30] <Lafitte-> thenuke_,  yeah    guess not     but the debian apt could have grabbed it im sure
[12:30] <urb85> Riddell, right, thanks, I will come back and let you know :P
[12:30] <Lafitte-> thenuke_,  yeah thats true
[12:30] <Lafitte-> thenuke_,  i usually make my own build    but ubuntu worked nicely
[12:30] <Lafitte-> thenuke_,  but it seems to limit me abit
[12:30] <thenuke_> Lafitte-: :-/
[12:30] <thenuke_> Lafitte-: how?
[12:31] <Lafitte-> thenuke_,  for one  i just edited the files ot load enlightenment   and it still loaded gnome
[12:31] <Lafitte-> thenuke_,  some gaurd scripts are in place
[12:31] <venkat> Lafitte-, create .xinitrc script
[12:32] <uireow> when i run autogen.sh, i get a whole slew of errors now, starting with Running aclocal...
[12:32] <uireow> aclocal: configure.in: 17: macro `AM_ENABLE_SHARED' not found in library
[12:32] <conejo> hola?
[12:32] <venkat> Lafitte-, put "exec Enlightment" or so in the .xinitrc script
[12:32] <thenuke_> Lafitte-: you should be able to configure that, I just dont know how
[12:32] <thenuke_> Lafitte-: ask the channel :)
[12:33] <Lafitte-> venkat, i already edited the files with enlightenment    it does it for you
[12:33] <Lafitte-> venkat,  and no dice
[12:33] <venkat> Lafitte-, is gdm still starting automatically?
[12:33] <Lafitte-> venkat,  yes
[12:34] <venkat> Lafitte-, "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[12:34] <kisain> how do you install java?
[12:34] <kisain> for mozilla?
[12:34] <venkat> Lafitte-, after it comes to console, do a "startx"
[12:34] <Marble2> Does anyone know why traceroute doesn't work for me? I've tried tcptraceroute too, that doesn't work. Everything just times out after the first hop. I can use the internet fine
[12:35] <venkat> Marble2, can you issue a  "dmesg " command
[12:35] <Marble2> that's too much to paste here
[12:36] <venkat> Marble2, okie...just the last 4 lines or so after u issue a traceroute?
[12:36] <Marble2> but like can i? yes
[12:36] <thenuke_> kisain: http://ubuntuguide.org
[12:36] <Marble2> apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x07 (Driver version 1.16ac)
[12:36] <Marble2> apm: overridden by ACPI.
[12:36] <Marble2> eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[12:36] <Marble2> UDF-fs INFO UDF 0.9.8.1 (2004/29/09) Mounting volume 'ID4_DAT', timestamp 2004/03/08 21:27 (1ed4)
[12:36] <kisain> kk
[12:36] <Lafitte-> venkat,  no dice there    ill have to double check things
[12:36] <venkat> Lafitte-, sorry...forgot to tell you it wud shut off things!
[12:36] <Lafitte-> venkat,    hehe   yeah was    fun though
[12:37] <Lafitte-> venkat,  but it didnt help any   i need to find some script info
[12:37] <venkat> Lafitte-, I am running fluxbox...no probs here!
[12:37] <Lafitte-> venkat,  yeah
[12:37] <venkat> Lafitte-, i actually got rid of gdm!!
[12:37] <Lafitte-> venkat, what file i need to edit ?
[12:37] <Lafitte-> i want ot try enlightenment
[12:37] <venkat> Lafitte-, do u have a .xinitrc file
[12:37] <Lafitte-> venkat,  and remove it also
[12:37] <Lafitte-> venkat,  where is it located  i cant find one
[12:38] <venkat> Lafitte-, do a nano ~/.xinitrc
[12:38] <Lafitte-> venkat,  id say no i dont have one
[12:38] <Marble2> anyone?
[12:38] <venkat> Lafitte-, it's located in your home directory.
[12:38] <Lafitte-> venkat,  yes i have one  check this out
[12:38] <urb85> Yweeee KDE works great on ubuntu!!
[12:38] <venkat> Marble2, sorry...no clue..i was trying out some stuff, cudn't ping the router too
[12:38] <Lafitte-> exec /usr/bin/enlightenment
[12:39] <Lafitte-> this is what is in it   rofl
[12:39] <thechitowncubs> How can I open a link that is in my Xchat window when i double click it, right now i have to right click open in mozilla firefox
[12:39] <Marble2> wha
[12:39] <Marble2> t
[12:39] <thechitowncubs> is there a way to do that on a double click
[12:39] <Riddell> urb85: updates "deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main"
[12:39] <uireow> hi. i can't run autogen. help
[12:39] <nickrud> thechitowncubs, control click it
[12:39] <Lafitte-> venkat,   so thats done already     something else stopping me
[12:39] <venkat> Marble2, everything started working after I shutoff the ipmasqing service
[12:39] <venkat> Lafitte-, what exactly happens?
[12:40] <Lafitte-> venkat,  if i reboot  i get gnome  not enlightenment
[12:40] <Marble2> venkat: I'm confused
[12:40] <thechitowncubs> nickrud: THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
[12:40] <urb85> Riddell, what is that exactly?
[12:40] <Lafitte-> venkat,  although   my file is set to run enlightenment
[12:40] <nickrud> thechitowncubs, np :)
[12:40] <venkat> Marble2, try doing it after a "sudo /etc/init.d/ipmasq stop"
[12:40] <urb85> Riddell, I am using KDE 3.4 and look marvellous
[12:41] <Riddell> urb85: security and major beastie fixes
[12:41] <Riddell> urb85: thanks
[12:41] <Lafitte-> venkat,  mine initrc file in in root
[12:41] <Lafitte-> venkat,  this could be it
[12:41] <venkat> Lafitte-, Does gdm login screen show enlightnement?
[12:41] <thechitowncubs> nick, maybe you know this one too: is there a way to when i double click a nick, have it direct the message toward that person
[12:41] <urb85> Riddell, u great :)
[12:41] <Lafitte-> no it doesnt show
[12:41] <Marble2> sudo: /etc/init.d/ipmasq: command not found
[12:41] <Lafitte-> brb  testting
[12:42] <nalioth> later
[12:42] <nickrud> thechitowncubs, haven't found one for that yet
[12:43] <thechitowncubs> Do you know what i mean?
[12:43] <venkat> Marble2, okie then the problem is not the ipmasq service...can't help u!
[12:43] <Marble2> k
[12:43] <venkat> Marble2, sorry...but am a newb!!
[12:43] <nickrud> thechitowncubs, yeah, right click last menu option, right?
[12:43] <we2by> any one has enemy territory running?
[12:43] <urb85> Riddell, it doesn't run
[12:43] <Marble2> venkat: it's okay... can anyone else help me?
[12:44] <nickrud> we2by, not me personally, but people I've talked to here have
[12:44] <we2by> how did they install it?
[12:44] <Riddell> urb85: what doesn't?
[12:44] <we2by> do you know?
[12:44] <nicklax> hey guys i've just compiled mplayer, installed skin in .mplayer/Skin and fonts. I've compiled it with --enable-gui but still i don't have the gmplayer binary. Why?
[12:44] <nickrud> we2by, not really, I assume the web site has instructions :)
[12:44] <urb85> Riddell: updates "deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main"
[12:45] <yonil> How is the "date" for emails recieved set ? I keep getting emails from the future :S (im using thunderbird)
[12:45] <sebas_1> n ickrud  you gone
[12:45] <crimsun> urb85: that goes in your /etc/apt/sources.list. You'll need to update && upgrade afterward.
[12:45] <nickrud> sebas_1, no, I'm still here
[12:45] <venkat> anyone using ubuntu on a powerbook?
[12:45] <urb85> crimsun, ops ph thanks
[12:45] <crimsun> Marble2: are you using a home "router"?
[12:46] <drummer87> hey, is there a way to get rid of the beep in Oo.o when there's an alert?
[12:46] <nickrud> we2by, the problem they had was sound, and doing http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats step 3 made it work
[12:46] <Marble2> crimsun: yep
[12:46] <yonil> you guys ? anyone knows regarding emails date ?
[12:47] <Jormundgand> I've installed RealPlayer as per the guide but when I click the icon in the menu nothing happens. Nor does anything happen when I run /opt/RealPlayer/realplay.
[12:47] <crimsun> Marble2: is that router silently dropping them? Please check the router's config.
[12:47] <Ali_Baba> drummer87: edit:current profile:terminal bell off in terminal.
[12:47] <Marble2> crimsun: I dunno, traceroute works fine in other OSs (Windows)
[12:47] <{lafrite}> salut a tous
[12:47] <Marble2> I don't think the router is the problem
[12:47] <{lafrite}> hello
[12:48] <{lafrite}> i have a problem with my wifi system?
[12:48] <{lafrite}> can you help me ?
[12:48] <knapjack> Marble2: What are you trying to do?
[12:48] <crimsun> Marble2: ok, can you ping/traceroute the router?
[12:48] <Marble2> crimsun: yes
[12:48] <Marble2> knapjack: use traceroute. it times out every hop but the first one
[12:48] <Marble2> any site
[12:49] <{lafrite}> thx
[12:49] <crimsun> yonil: the date for your emails sent from Thunderbird?
[12:49] <urb85> crimsun, thanks is upgrading great! do u know where can I set the volume in KDE anyway, it seems too low
[12:49] <crimsun> urb85: kmix?
[12:49] <thechitowncubs> How can I delete menu folders from my gnome applications menu?
[12:49] <urb85> crimsun, Volume control :) found thanks
[12:50] <knapjack> Marble2: I've seen that with private IP'd networks.  Try mtr targetname
[12:50] <thechitowncubs> some of my menus don't show up in smeg
[12:50] <Marble2> that works
[12:50] <drummer87> Ali_Baba, that works for terminal but doesn't affect the beep in open office
[12:50] <crimsun> Marble2: it sounds like your router is dropping said packets
[12:51] <Marble2> how would I fix that?
[12:51] <knapjack> Marble2: It's just the way traceroute/tracepath is written.  You're on a private IP network, right?  Probably 192.168.x.x?
[12:51] <Marble2> yes
[12:51] <Marble2> 192.168.1.12
[12:51] <Marble2> the thing is, tracert in windows works fine
[12:52] <Marble2> so how would the router treat it differently?
[12:52] <thechitowncubs> Anyone got an idea?
[12:53] <we2by> what is /dev/adsp?
[12:54] <knapjack> Marble2: I'm Googling now.  It's probably either the TTL or maybe it's source-routed.
[12:54] <Marble2> k
[12:54] <crimsun> we2by: the second alsa oss emulation device
[12:55] <teroedni> where can you change charset?
[12:55] <knapjack> Marble2: According to the man pages, tracepath (and probably traceroute) use UDP, mtr uses ICMP.  Chances are, tracert uses ICMP, too.
[12:56] <Marble2> ah
[12:56] <Marble2> lets see if I can force it to ICMP
[12:56] <Anubis> does anyone know if backports ubuntu is backup?
[12:56] <Anubis> it had the new gaim and fluxbox
[12:57] <Marble2> yep
[12:57] <Lafitte-> venkat,  well  got enlightenment to run   something was wrong
[12:57] <Marble2> traceroute -I forces to ICMP
[12:57] <Marble2> that works
[12:57] <venkat> Lafitte-, great
[12:57] <Marble2> thanks a ton knapjack
[12:57] <venkat> Lafitte-, what went wrong?
[12:57] <urb85> crimsun, do  u know how to make smaller icons in KDE?
[12:57] <Lafitte-> venkat,  didnt have any standard way to use programs
[12:57] <urb85> crimsun, or writing anyway?
[12:58] <Lafitte-> the view i saw  showed same menu as gnome has  but it only had config items
[12:58] <crimsun> urb85: might want to ask in #kubuntu
[12:58] <Lafitte-> venkat,  so i removed it  after editing the file to run gnome again
[12:58] <venkat> Lafitte-, does enlightment have a menu genuration program like fluxbox does?
[12:58] <Anubis> urb85, its in KDE's settings dialog
[12:59] <Lafitte-> venkat,  yes its like flux
[12:59] <Lafitte-> venkat,  i used ot run BB
[12:59] <thingfish> I thought if you used enlightenment you didn't care about menus.
[12:59] <Lafitte-> venkat,  simular
[12:59] <venkat_> exit
[12:59] <Lafitte-> thingfish,  WELL to an extent
[12:59] <Lafitte-> gnome is fine  i wanted to try it   it sucked     im done
[12:59] <urb85> crimsun, thanks
[01:00] <venkat> Lafitte-, okie...i dunno anything abt Enlightment
[01:00] <marios> Please, everybody from CROATIA.... #ubuntu.hr
[01:00] <JDahl> I know I'm a fool to use Breezy, but didnt anyone else have problems with BASH freezing after completing its first command?
[01:00] <urb85> Anubis, thanks will have a look
[01:00] <Lafitte-> venkat,  yeah  hehe
[01:00] <JDahl> s/didnt/did
[01:00] <Lafitte-> venkat,  ever run Blackbox ?
[01:00] <venkat> Lafitte-, yup...
[01:00] <urb85> Anubis, where exactly is that?
[01:00] <Lafitte-> venkat,  not bad either
[01:00] <venkat> Lafitte-, yup...using fluxbox, which is based on blackbox...
[01:00] <Lafitte-> venkat,  yeah
[01:00] <CarlFK> where are the WEP keys stored?  (I can't get rid of it via the GUI)
[01:00] <Anubis> urb85, its better you look and find it
[01:01] <Anubis> urb85, its not hidden
[01:01] <venkat> Lafitte-, nice...keyboard shortcuts and eveything
[01:01] <urb85> Anubis, ok
[01:01] <Anubis> urb85, are you a first time KDE user?
[01:01] <Lafitte-> venkat,  yeah   runs fast too
[01:01] <Anubis> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[01:01] <venkat> CarlFK, try /etc/network/interfaces
[01:01] <Anubis> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[01:01] <urb85> Anubis, yes
[01:01] <venkat> Lafitte-, I had to compile from source...for the faster version!
[01:01] <thingfish> so what's this "backports"?
[01:01] <urb85> Anubis, but I think I found it on Control Center
[01:01] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, you have gnome ?
[01:02] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, yes
[01:02] <Lafitte-> venkat,  yeah
[01:02] <urb85> Anubis, because the Actual Window borders are a bit big
[01:02] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, double click the two monitors by the time    choose configure
[01:02] <Anubis> urb85, sorry, then I don't use KDE thats why crimsun pointed you to #kubuntu or #kde
[01:02] <batma8> hey guys
[01:02] <batma8> ok
[01:02] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, that is the same as system/Admin/Network?
[01:02] <batma8> so how would i go about making a dual boot system
[01:02] <Anubis> urb85, hit the "K" then go to kde settings
[01:03] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, double click the wireless connection   drop down list for essid  and keys
[01:03] <venkat> Lafitte-, CarlFK .. i don't use gnome, but i think that's where the network-admin utility puts them
[01:03] <urb85> Anubis, oh np
[01:03] <_hp_> batma8: step 1: install two OS
[01:03] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, dunno
[01:03] <batma8> :)
[01:03] <Anubis> urb85, look and feel section
[01:03] <Anubis> urb85, icons
[01:03] <sebas_1> nickrud sorry no diff at all but x-server runs
[01:03] <Anubis> something like that
[01:03] <Lafitte-> venkat,  its where i said  for me
[01:03] <batma8> _hp_ do i install linux first, then win2k?
[01:03] <marios> Please, everybody from CROATIA.... #ubuntu.hr
[01:03] <[R] > hi, how to kill a webcam which is lighten, and prevent Gnomemeting to use it because the webcam is busy ?
[01:03] <thingfish> batma8: install windows first, then linux.
[01:03] <batma8> ok..
[01:03] <_hp_> batma8: install win 2k, use partition magic to create your linux partitions and the ninstall linux onto those
[01:03] <batma8> win2k will make a boot menu?
[01:03] <urb85> Anubis, sorry not in my sys, I have just installed KDE on top of Ubuntu, may be different
[01:03] <_hp_> batma8: linux install will
[01:04] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  yes same spot
[01:04] <venkat> Lafitte-, it's effectively the same thing :)
[01:04] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, seems to be the same - and I have changes the ESSID and WEP to my ESSID/(blank) about 35 times now... it keeps reverting back to the "old" WEP/key
[01:04] <thingfish> batma8: forget partition magic.
[01:04] <thingfish> batma8: the ubuntu installer will allow you to create partitions.
[01:04] <_hp_> batma8: yes, you can create an empty partition
[01:04] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, are you connecting when you make change ?
[01:04] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, no.
[01:04] <_hp_> thingfish: no, ubuntu destroys partitions
[01:04] <nalioth> batma8: windoze (and Tiger) will eat your bootloader
[01:04] <batma8> ok, so install xp or win2k, then put on linux, it will allow you to make a partition
[01:04] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, have to connec tto make a change
[01:04] <thingfish> no it doesn't
[01:04] <nalioth> batma8: always windoze (or OSX) first
[01:05] <batma8> got ya
[01:05] <Lafitte-> bah duel boot
[01:05] <thingfish> _hp_: if you don't know what you're doing, THAT destroys partitions.
[01:05] <Lafitte-> use vmware
[01:05] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, the only way I have been able to connect is with iwconfig, but when I rebooted, the ESSID/wep came back
[01:05] <thingfish> batma8: yes.
[01:05] <nalioth> _hp_: parted destroys partitions?
[01:05] <batma8> the idea is to have a windows boot that ONLY loads a menu for my emulators
[01:05] <thr1ce> hey guys
[01:05] <urb85> Anubis, just found it where I was saying :P
[01:05] <thingfish> yuckies vmware
[01:05] <_hp_> thingfish: the install destroyed my partitions
[01:05] <thingfish> nalioth: everyone's a comedian these days.
[01:05] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, which is why I want to find the source .conf file and vi it out of existance
[01:05] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  you setting the ip dhcp  or manual ?
[01:05] <_hp_> thingfish: it cannot resize and make a new one
[01:05] <venkat> CarlFK, what does your /etc/network/interfaces file say?
[01:05] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, dhcp
[01:06] <thingfish> _hp_: it only did what you told it to do.
[01:06] <nalioth> thingfish: was it my turn?
[01:06] <thingfish> I didn't say anything about resizing.
[01:06] <_hp_> thingfish: yes, i told it to destroy
[01:06] <Anubis> urb85, cool
[01:06] <nickrud> hi thr1ce
[01:06] <_hp_> because it couldn't resize
[01:06] <venkat> CarlFK, that's where the utility puts the network keys!!
[01:06] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,    you need to connect with gnome one to make it save
[01:06] <thingfish> nalioth: hehe no, I meant the "destroyed my partitions"
[01:06] <thingfish> batma8: do not PM me, please.
[01:06] <thr1ce> finally got around to converting my ntfs "stuff" partition to a Fat32
[01:06] <batma8> sorry bud
[01:06] <thingfish> keep it here in the channel, batma8.
[01:06] <nalioth> thingfish: ah i've always found parted to be a friendly thing
[01:07] <nalioth> thr1ce: great!
[01:07] <batma8> ok.my other question
[01:07] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, make sure the gateway is selected  and make sure  the dns are not hanging over
[01:07] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, where does it sotre the location (aka profile) names ?  (not in /etc/network/if's
[01:07] <batma8> will one system see the other when i am in the oposit system?
[01:07] <thingfish> nalioth: parted is pretty friendly, yes.
[01:07] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  no idea
[01:07] <thr1ce> figure i might as well
[01:08] <thingfish> batma8: ubuntu will be able, with a little doing, to see your ntfs partion and read from it.
[01:08] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  you have This device is configured checked ??
[01:08] <thechitowncubs> How can I delete menu folders from my gnome applications menu?
[01:08] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, yes (dev is confed)
[01:08] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  umm
[01:08] <nalioth> thingfish: they always leave b4 we can skool them
[01:08] <_hp_> nalioth: proper english please
[01:08] <thr1ce> sudo rm -rf <foldername> ;  though be careful, as it will perm. delete it, and not prompt you (with the -rf that is)
[01:08] <venkat> CarlFK, i dunno abt the profiles...sorry...i tried saving it, but it was messing up all my stuff
[01:08] <thingfish> nalioth: maybe he needed a snickers fix.
[01:09] <thr1ce> ooh, um...I forgot where folders are kept
[01:09] <nalioth> _hp_ proper American or English english?
[01:09] <_hp_> nalioth: it really doesn't matter as long as aolspeak is not involved
[01:09] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, most i can tell yeah   mine works     but i used iwtools at first  till i found the gui
[01:09] <nalioth> aolspeak?
[01:09] <thingfish> Americans do not know how to speak proper English.  I should know, I am one.
[01:09] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, do you have 2 locations setup that you switch beween?
[01:09] <_hp_> naderman: lol, b4, u, etc
[01:09] <Lafitte-> venkat,  anyways     ill stick with gnome for now
[01:10] <thingfish> are you an op, _hp_?
[01:10] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  i have 6
[01:10] <_hp_> no
[01:10] <shinu> what X devel package should i get?
[01:10] <venkat> Lafitte-, sure...whatever ur comfortable with!! it was too slow on my machine
[01:10] <naderman> _hp_: what?
[01:10] <_hp_> i am just in quest of justice
[01:10] <nalioth> _hp_: those are common shortcuts in chat appliances around the internet, not just for aol (l)users
[01:10] <crimsun> shinu: x-dev, possible others
[01:10] <nickrud> thechitowncubs, menu folders are weird, they are sorta defined in each .desktop entry, and the menu will translate. So, no simple way
[01:10] <shinu> is it xfree or xorg?
[01:10] <thr1ce> xorg
[01:10] <thingfish> _hp_: oh, just a concerned citizen. :)
[01:10] <thr1ce> 6.8.2 is the latest
[01:10] <nalioth> _hp_: justice?
[01:10] <_hp_> nalioth: yes
[01:10] <Madpilot> hi all... can someone tell me where Ubuntu/Nautalis keep the PW keyring file? just started using it, would like to know where it hides...
[01:10] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, do all your AP's have keys?
[01:11] <venkat> Lafitte-, it's been nice
[01:11] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, oh  you mean password save?  i noticed  i need ot add keys everytime  to connect  it saves the last used keys after loggin in
[01:11] <shinu> crimsun: thats whats called the X development pack?
[01:11] <nalioth> _hp_: what kind of justice?
[01:11] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, no not all
[01:11] <Lafitte-> venkat,  :)
[01:11] <_hp_> nalioth: sexy justice?
[01:11] <timmow> can anyone help me with infra red on my laptop?
[01:11] <Nabiki> I have a REALLY strange question.  Is there such thing as a boot loader that loads under windows. :P
[01:11] <nalioth> _hp_: you got off on a rant of "aolspeak" and now we're on "sexy justice"
[01:11] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, so if it saves the key, how do you get rid of it when you switch to an AP that doesn't need one?
[01:12] <_hp_> Nabiki: vmware ?
[01:12] <_hp_> nalioth: yes
[01:12] <nalioth> Nabiki: what do you want to do/
[01:12] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, i blank it out   hit ok
[01:12] <crimsun> shinu: yep, a metapackage
[01:12] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,   it will always put last set of keys back
[01:12] <nalioth> _hp_: ?
[01:12] <_hp_> Nabiki: seems like vmware will let you do what you are looking for
[01:12] <_hp_> nalioth: ?
[01:12] <shinu> crimsun: sorry... metapackage? ^^'
[01:12] <Lafitte-> brb
[01:13] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, does it  seem like "something" on you side isn't working right?  (even if you are able to work with it)
[01:13] <venkat> Lafitte-, CarlFK ... more on this later...i am trying out wireless schemes...cya later
[01:13] <crimsun> shinu: a package that depends on (and thus pulls in) others
[01:13] <shinu> crimsun: ok thanks a lot :)
[01:13] <CarlFK> venkat, thanks for your efforts
[01:13] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, seems like linux
[01:13] <Nabiki> @.@ I didn't answer the question.. and I Don't think VMware will do what I want. hehe :P
[01:13] <nalioth> Nabiki: what do you want to do/
[01:13] <thingfish> I wonder why ubuntu is so much better than fedora.
[01:13] <crimsun> shinu: a metapackage doesn't actually provide any programs itself, but packages it depends on do
[01:13] <thingfish> must be the special sauce.
[01:14] <crimsun> thingfish: it's the perky pants.
[01:14] <shinu> alright...
[01:14] <nalioth> thingfish: you mean the variety of nuts?
[01:14] <baulder> Man.. that was a waste of time... I kept getting I/O errors on install.. I did a low lever format of the HD and everything and then find out it is a problem on the CD I burned! AHH!
[01:14] <nalioth> baulder: nothing like a "clean" install
[01:14] <Nabiki> I need something that can rewriter my boot sector just to boot to windows, long enough for me to get a new hard drive for my linux partition, since the current one is dieing... But my windows CD is lost, and Microsoft was mega stupid in their packaging of some parts of XP ^^;
[01:14] <thingfish> crimsun, nalioth: hehe
[01:14] <apsuva> where downloading package cache folder?
[01:15] <_hp_> Nabiki: reinstall grub or lilo?
[01:15] <crimsun> apsuva: /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:15] <apsuva> thank you crimsun
[01:15] <baulder> fixed of course by editing my apt sources file to not reference the CD
[01:15] <crimsun> np
[01:15] <Madpilot> nobody else used the keyring in Nautilus?
[01:15] <Nabiki> Grub wants to look at the dieing drive for it's config files....  BUT, lilo is an idea.  It writes everything to the boot record I think. :P
[01:16] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  are you creating locations ??
[01:16] <thr1ce> lilo gives you the option of where to write to
[01:16] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  it will save setup if you create locations  im sure
[01:16] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, yes.
[01:16] <thechitowncubs> Eh
[01:16] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  i never created them   so maybe more broke then i know
[01:16] <thechitowncubs> I hope menus are improved in 2.12
[01:17] <Nabiki> basicaly though, I need the boot loader to not depend on the drive that is falling apart. ^^;; hehe :)
[01:17] <_hp_> Nabiki: you can get a boot floppy or something?
[01:17] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, will selecting a location, then changing settings, then hitting OK change the locations' settings permanatly?
[01:17] <thr1ce> 2.12 wont' be out until like September
[01:17] <we2by> when executing traceroute6 google.com, I get unknown host. why?
[01:17] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, I only did locations in hopes to have a "clean slate"
[01:17] <Nabiki> No floppy drive.  But that wouldn't do much for booting to windows though, if grub can't function O.o;;;   I am just trying to look at different angles.
[01:17] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, seems to me  the settings for the connections should completly save for each location
[01:18] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, I am going to try deling all the locations
[01:18] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  like make home      then make work  or school
[01:18] <Flav> iirc, lilo can support raid1 boot partitions
[01:18] <Flav> s/w raid1 to be clear
[01:18] <we2by> when executing traceroute6 google.com, I get unknown host. why?
[01:18] <Flav> it just installs to both mbr's / boot sectors at lilo run time
[01:18] <nickrud> thechitowncubs, the smeg developer shows up here now and then, keep asking, he's your best bet
[01:19] <we2by> when executing traceroute6 google.com, I get unknown host. why??
[01:19] <we2by> ops
[01:19] <we2by> any one like to help me?
[01:19] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, I get the feeliing only "create location" actualy saves the setings to that location, and then picking that loc loads the settings, but there isn't an update loc settings feature
[01:19] <k31th> yo
[01:20] <Nabiki> Does anyone know what dependancies that lilo has?
[01:20] <whyameye> is there a way to change the size of the fonts in the menus of applications? I tried playing with system->preferences->font in Gnome but that doesn't do it.
[01:20] <Flav> apt-cache show lilo
[01:20] <latis> can I turn off the "beeps" in terminal?
[01:20] <latis> the beeps which comes when I press backspace without any text writter for example
[01:20] <thingfish> Nabiki: apt-cache depends lilo, apt-cache rdepends lilo.
[01:21] <dockane> what is the ng interface under ubuntu for ?
[01:22] <thr1ce> ng?
[01:22] <we2by> when executing traceroute6 google.com, I get unknown host. why??
[01:22] <a_peck> hey all. how would i format an usb key? i need a fat32 format, i have hoary. thx
[01:22] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, i know you need to connec to save the settings   if fail to cnnect  it doesnt save
[01:22] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  im testing right now  i have   5 wireless AP   close to me
[01:22] <thr1ce> man mkfs
[01:22] <Lafitte-> hrmm
[01:22] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, it is broken  somewhat
[01:22] <count0nz> my ipv6 is not working too but i don't know if its just me or not
[01:22] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, i dont use location  i just type keys in as needed   only few keys  for me
[01:23] <chiron> HELLO
[01:23] <thr1ce> better yet, man mkfs.vfat
[01:23] <dockane> thr1ce, http://pastebin.com/287674
[01:23] <geneo93> annie are you here
[01:23] <we2by> when executing traceroute6 google.com, I get unknown host. why??
[01:23] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, will an AP that doesn have WEP enabled care if you send a key, or will it just ignore it?
[01:23] <k31th> we2by: ?
[01:24] <ahuman01> we2by, maybe becoz traceroute6 is for IPV6
[01:24] <thr1ce> dockane, I have never even heard of that...sorry man :(
[01:24] <thr1ce> do you have ipv6 compiled into your kernel?
[01:24] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, i had one take not care  and other that does
[01:24] <Madpilot> we2by: this is at least the fourth time you've asked. obviously nobody knows... try www.google.com, see what that gets you.
[01:24] <othernoob> latis: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#konsnobeep
[01:24] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  the open ones  dont need the keys  so it should not matter    should connect with or without keys   in my book
[01:24] <crimsun> we2by: they have no public external v6 hosts.
[01:25] <Madpilot> If you've got servers mounted in Nautilus for FTP, how can you disconnect w/o dismounting the whole drive?
[01:25] <annereed_nwm> hello...was hoping someone could help with java script opening bank accts--any ideas?
[01:25] <Lafitte-> i need to jam    later all
[01:25] <geneo93> crimsun:  what the url for sun java ubuntu wiki
[01:26] <nalioth> annereed_nwm: what specifically are you after?
[01:26] <annereed_nwm> i tried that--i have it downloaded--but it still tell me to enable java on netscape navigator...
[01:26] <annereed_nwm> i get to the login page and it will not go any further--says "enable java"
[01:27] <geneo93> java
[01:27] <_hp_> annereed_nwm: do you have the plugin as well?
[01:27] <nalioth> annereed_nwm: ok javascript is not java
[01:27] <annereed_nwm> what plug in?
[01:27] <_hp_> for java?
[01:27] <nalioth> annereed_nwm: if you go to ubuntuguide.org, you will find your answer
[01:27] <_hp_> the runtime enviroment?
[01:27] <Nabiki> bbl
[01:27] <annereed_nwm> yep..
[01:27] <geneo93> annereed_nwm:  you need to make links for it
[01:27] <anto9us> we2by: try tracepath
[01:27] <we2by> I found it allready
[01:27] <_hp_> annereed_nwm: have you tried firefox?
[01:28] <nickrud> annereed_nwm, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java, method three works very nicely
[01:28] <we2by> traceroute6 is for ipv6
[01:28] <anto9us> we2by: yes :)
[01:28] <we2by> when sending alot lines at once, can I parse an arg so irssi send a line per 2 seconds?
[01:28] <Pupeno> To automatically load all the installed emacs extensions, may I load some general file that does the works for me (like /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/debian-startup.elc) ? (this is the way it works on Gentoo).
[01:28] <annereed_nwm> i will check out ubuntuguide--yep went to firefox--downloaded mozilla-switched programs to kde...
[01:28] <nekohayo> I'm looking for a way to hack my gnome desktop so that it displays a background behind my icons' text, just like the old windows did.. but with the power of gnome (transparency and everything).... did anyone try? I wasn't able to find something in gconf
[01:28] <annereed_nwm> im running out of ideas...
[01:28] <nicklax> i've just compiled mplayer, and i get this error, anyone knows? vo: X11 running at 1280x1024 with depth 24 and 32 bpp (":0.0" => local display)
[01:28] <nicklax> /root/.gtkrc.mine:6: error: scanner: unterminated string constant
[01:28] <nicklax> and it didn't start
[01:29] <nalioth> annereed_nwm: once you follow the instructions, it doesnt matter kde/gnome/otherWm, as long as its firefox
[01:29] <annereed_nwm> ok--i will give it a shot...thanks..
[01:29] <Flav> nicklax: i'd rename your .gtkrc.mine
[01:29] <nickrud> or galeon or epiphany, for that matter
[01:29] <Madpilot> annereed_nwm: switch banks? :) my bank's onine stuff works OK in Ubuntu, using Opera w/o Java..
[01:30] <nalioth> annereed_nwm: or send us all your money, negating the need for a bank at all....j/k
[01:30] <nicklax> Flav, ill take a look thx
[01:30] <cens0red> hey I can't get the firefox extensions page. https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/
[01:30] <annereed_nwm> do you get home page that has letters overlapping each other at your bank: madp[ilot?
[01:30] <geneo93> annereed_nwm:  sky bank sucks anyway
[01:30] <cens0red> It wants me to download the latest version.
[01:30] <annereed_nwm> i have heard that..sky sucks..
[01:30] <cens0red> should I do that, and install it as root? Or will the screw up my package management system?
[01:30] <annereed_nwm> what money? thats why i have to look!!
[01:30] <k31th> sky does suck
[01:31] <nicklax> Flav, what i have to put in gtkrc.mine or modify?
[01:31] <Flav> nicklax:  just rename it
[01:31] <annereed_nwm> madpilot opera w/o java?
[01:31] <nicklax> Flav, to what?
[01:31] <Flav> nicklax: foo
[01:31] <rtwick> hi guys .. ubuntu newbie here ... nd got a problem with ndiswrapper ..
[01:32] <DAC1138> yay, finally got me shipit cds in :-)
[01:32] <geneo93> sky prolly uses M$ crap java
[01:32] <nickrud> cens0red, there's supposed to be a fix by changing a config key, one of the useragent ones, I don't remember off the top of my head
[01:32] <Madpilot> annereed_nwm: The Opera browser - www.opera.com - for Linux, with Java not yet working on this computer...
[01:32] <cens0red> nickrud hmmm. thanx.
[01:32] <rtwick> when i do a modprobe ndiswrapper, i'M GETTING AN ERRO SAYING "OPERATION NOT PERMITTED"
[01:32] <DAC1138> anyone here running windows inside vmware?
[01:33] <_hp_> DAC1138: i am about to
[01:33] <annereed_nwm> gotta run--thanks a bunch!!
[01:33] <Flav> rtwick: try sudo
[01:33] <geneo93> oh she dont want opera
[01:33] <DAC1138> _hp_, eh, doesnt help much. the newest version of vmware?
[01:33] <rtwick> tried that .. as well as logged in as root on a terminal .. still the same
[01:33] <_hp_> DAC1138: i have 4.5.2
[01:33] <DAC1138> _hp_,  im wondering if its faste enough to edit video with, using adobe premiere inside windows in vmware
[01:33] <nickrud> yeah, general.useragent.vendorSub
[01:33] <Madpilot> geneo93: didn't think it was that scary... :)
[01:34] <nickrud> supposed to work, I use galeon or epiphany
[01:34] <geneo93> DAC1138:  why dont you just use windows
[01:34] <DAC1138> _hp_,  i could always dual boot, but thats too much trouble
[01:34] <_hp_> DAC1138: ouch... i don't know... probably should try it or try something like crossover office or even dual boot
[01:34] <nickrud> changed to 1.0.4
[01:34] <rtwick> any other idea Flav ?
[01:34] <DAC1138> geneo93, i'd like to do everything in linux, without rebooting
[01:35] <MarioOs> ok, anybody from croatia?
[01:35] <rtwick> root@ubuntu:~ # modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:35] <rtwick> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[01:35] <DAC1138> geneo93,  raw video is pretty big, so partitioning is an issue too, with a 40 gb HD
[01:35] <rtwick> can some one help pls ?
[01:35] <a_peck> where's the fstab by default again plz?
[01:35] <bigbill52a> how can i change the run level so that I start outside of xwindows....?
[01:35] <geneo93> the reason i'm using linux is i'm sick of wincrap
[01:35] <Flav> rtwick: google *shrug*
[01:36] <thr1ce> sudo
[01:36] <thr1ce> sudo modprobe *
[01:36] <thr1ce> er, without the *
[01:36] <thr1ce> sudo modprobe <module>
[01:36] <thechitowncubs> lol thr1ce
[01:36] <Flav> thr1ce: he's root
[01:36] <rtwick> thrlce tried that same error
[01:36] <TriniTriggs> does anyone here know of a good tagger/renamer?
[01:36] <thr1ce> lol...oops, only read the error :)
[01:36] <TriniTriggs> for music files?
[01:36] <nickrud> a_peck, /etc
[01:37] <Flav> apt-cache search id3
[01:37] <DAC1138> TriniTriggs, freshmeat.net has a bunch
[01:37] <a_peck> nickrud, thx
[01:37] <TriniTriggs> ah.  Thanks
[01:37] <sebas_1> nickrud made a mistake the url to get ubuntu into X-chat again
[01:37] <DAC1138> TriniTriggs, i needed one a while back, but i never got any to work. i just re-ripped my cds with ripper X
[01:37] <nickrud> Trickyphillips, easytag, not a good interface, but powerful
[01:37] <nickrud> seb128, you're here :)
[01:38] <DAC1138> well, cya, gotta go edit some video
[01:38] <nickrud> seb128, sorry, sebas_1 irc.freenode.net
[01:38] <a_peck> arf how do I find out where /media/usbdisk is mounted? will that help me format it?
[01:38] <Flav> nickrud: and TriniTriggs /  Trickyphillips
[01:38] <^thehatsrule^> just run mount
[01:38] <^thehatsrule^> or df -h
[01:38] <sebas_1> nickrude i'll try again what channel
[01:38] <nickrud> lol, tabs don't rule :)
[01:39] <TriniTriggs> Flav: what?
[01:39] <TriniTriggs> (btw, how do I make my message glow to a certain user)?
[01:39] <thr1ce> fortran01, club membership?
[01:39] <Flav> TriniTriggs: nickrud was trying to tell you about easytag
[01:39] <Madpilot> TriniTriggs: just start your msg w/ that nickname, I think.
[01:40] <nicklax> i have run mplayer now, but i can't make the movie fullscreen. THere is the option to fullscreen but it's still small. Any ideas?
[01:40] <calamari_> re's :)
[01:40] <geneo93> fortran01:  sounds like madriva user
[01:40] <calamari_> is there some kind of chart that explains which programs run when Ubuntu starts up, and where they are called from?
[01:40] <nickrud> nicklax, change /etc/mplayer.conf to use xv instead of x11
[01:40] <GeoTube> Hey
[01:40] <GeoTube> can anyone tell me if ubuntu is a livecd?
[01:40] <stuNNed> GeoTube: has livecd there are two
[01:40] <_hp_> GeoTube: there is one avaible
[01:40] <geneo93> nicklax:  just the f key
[01:40] <nicklax> nickrud, ill give it a try thx
[01:40] <crimsun> there is a livecd of both Ubuntu and Kubuntu, yes
[01:40] <calamari_> GeoTube: there are live and install versions
[01:40] <stuNNed> GeoTube: i.e: livecd and install cd
[01:41] <GeoTube> stuNNed: thansk
[01:41] <GeoTube> *thanks
[01:41] <TriniTriggs> Madpilot: test?
[01:41] <geneo93> GeoTube:  both
[01:41] <fortran01> geneo93: yeah. the only hindrance is my dialup connection
[01:41] <nicklax> geneo93, yes, but it doesnt make it full screen, i mean it does, but its still at the movie res
[01:41] <TriniTriggs> test
[01:41] <thr1ce> or cubuntu for CDE!
[01:41] <TriniTriggs> TriniTriggs: test
[01:41] <stuNNed> or an ubuntu-lite for older systems
[01:41] <Madpilot> TriniTriggs: you came up highlighted on the first post
[01:42] <stuNNed> like 386 up to p1
[01:42] <thr1ce> stuNNed, make one and submit it
[01:42] <geneo93> stuNNed:  make your own
[01:42] <fortran01> in a 6-cd M* I have everything
[01:42] <calamari_> stuNNed: I was working on an ubuntu-lite, but real life took hold.. no time :)
[01:42] <stuNNed> or maye just 486 and 586
[01:42] <stuNNed> calamari_: LO> :)
[01:42] <stuNNed> calamari_: eh, LOL
[01:42] <nicklax> nickrud, i have /etc/mplayer.conf empty. What should i put in it?
[01:42] <geneo93> stuNNed:  you could install server then add what you want
[01:42] <IIIEars> ""$ gedit ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/Install\ Deb"" Created a file. - Where did it go? - lol
[01:42] <GeoTube> Can anyone direct me to a torrent of it? If one exists?
[01:42] <nickrud> nicklax, sorry, /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[01:43] <thr1ce> nicklax, you can just change it in the gmplayer menu too if you'd like (assuming you have --enable-gui )
[01:43] <GeoTube> both disks
[01:43] <nicklax> thr1ce, yes, i found it there. THanks
[01:43] <GeoTube> got one.
[01:43] <nicklax> nickrud, thanks
[01:43] <GeoTube> cancel that
[01:43] <geneo93> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[01:43] <stuNNed> geneo93: how'd i do that?
[01:43] <calamari_> I'm trying to figure out where I should put an xmodmap line so that it executes when I boot and gets my keyboard ready to go.  It can't be too early, because I think that gnome resets keyboard settings when it loads
[01:44] <geneo93> opps
[01:44] <IIIEars> Help!!! - HEHE
[01:44] <IIIEars> << Recovering Windows user. - grin
[01:44] <pjw> Are developers going to add any packages in the future?
[01:44] <nickrud> calamari_, .gnomerc is the proper place, but check preferences->keyboard to be sure gnome won't override
[01:44] <geneo93> stuNNed:  jsut look at options before starting install
[01:44] <pjw> to Ubuntu
[01:45] <Madpilot> IIIEars: aren't most of us? :)
[01:45] <Riddell> pjw: lots are added to breezy every day
[01:45] <_hp_> pjw: are cars going to have new features in the future?
[01:45] <fortran01> why is it called Universe?
[01:45] <nicklax> thr1ce, nickrud : now i get "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
[01:45] <Riddell> fortran01: because it contains everything in the universe
[01:45] <fortran01> ahhh
[01:45] <IIIEars> lol - Okay i'll give you that. - no need to use a crutch forever. - eh?
[01:45] <geneo93> pjw:  14000 + aint enough for you
[01:45] <calamari_> nickrud: where is .gnomerc? should I create it in ~ ?
[01:46] <nickrud> nicklax, I've made that change for years on my voodoo3, try mplayer -vo help to check
[01:46] <nickrud> calamari_, yes
[01:47] <nicklax> nickrud, OK, thanks.
[01:47] <IIIEars> ""$ gedit ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/Install\ Deb"" <<- Creates the base for a handy deb install script. http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-33584.html
[01:47] <nickrud> gotta get a new machine :)
[01:47] <nicklax> nickrud, :) good bye
[01:48] <calamari_> nickrud: I'll try it.. thank you :)
[01:48] <nickrud> calamari_, I actually source my .bashrc there until I woke up :)
[01:48] <pjw> I don't think about it, Are developers going to add any "default" packages?
[01:49] <_hp_> pjw: what are you looking for?
[01:50] <pjw> english language isn't my first language, so i sometimes make mistakes
[01:51] <nickrud> IIIEars, if you really want to control stray debs properly, man dpkg-scanpackages
[01:51] <_hp_> pjw: is there a reason for the question? I am sure that packages will be different with breezy, and (almost) everything you need can be found in synaptic
[01:51] <pjw> and we probably can't understand me :P
[01:51] <whyameye> I can't seem to get Wine to run anything...even notepad.exe.
[01:52] <thr1ce> haha
[01:52] <paxmaster> do u know how wine works
[01:52] <dr_willis> wine /path/to/notepad.exe
[01:53] <thr1ce> i haven't used wine in awhile; wine notepad.exe from notepad's pwd doesn't work?
[01:53] <^thehatsrule^> just type in wine to see the options
[01:53] <whyameye> paxmaster: I get the concept. But assume I know thing.
[01:53] <whyameye> dr_willis: yes that's what I did. It starts up, then crashes when I go to the menus
[01:53] <qko> hello
[01:53] <geneo93> whyameye:  open terminal and type wine notepad
[01:53] <qko> do you know a program who plays subtitles?
[01:53] <whyameye> geneo93: yes I can get it run, but it crashes when I try to do anything
[01:54] <whyameye> thr1ce: what's a pwd? I copied notepad.exe from my WinXPSP2 machine and tried to run it from the CDROM
[01:54] <thr1ce> present working directory
[01:54] <thr1ce> or...print working directory
[01:55] <thr1ce> go into the DIR that contains notepad, and run wine notepad.exe
[01:55] <pjw> _hp_: i am asking, because i afraid that Ubuntu will be same as Mandrake, Fedora Core etc. too many superfluous packages in distribution.
[01:55] <dockane> has anybody managed to get giftd / apollon working ?
[01:55] <darkaudit> dockane: what seems to be the trouble?
[01:55] <pjw> _hp_: in default configuration
[01:56] <b-rad|laptop> evenin all
[01:56] <crimsun> pjw: keep in mind that even as the distro expands, the goal is to keep everything installable on one 650 MB iso
[01:56] <yonil> Q: is there an application that can set an alarm clock, and play a mp3 file at certain time ?
[01:56] <whyameye> thr1ce: right. I can get it to run. As soon as I try to choose something from the menus, it crashes.
[01:56] <dockane> darkaudit, i get no connection
[01:57] <geneo93> crimsun:  700mb i think
[01:57] <b-rad|laptop> I've got a quick issue.  Is there a way to search for packages to by version?  Somehow I managed to install a woody deb file and now gnome doesn't start
[01:57] <darkaudit> dockane: I assume you've already run gift-setup, and set your firewall for the proper ports?
[01:57] <raj> hello?
[01:57] <jorgp> does ubuntu have packages like mplayer available?
[01:57] <crimsun> geneo93: 650.
[01:58] <thr1ce> of course jorgp
[01:58] <othernoob> jorgp: yes
[01:58] <crimsun> geneo93: not all cdroms can handle 700.
[01:58] <raj> i tried to install a dual-boot, but now WinXP won't boot
[01:58] <darkaudit> jorgp: in universe
[01:58] <raj> really need some help here
[01:58] <darkaudit> raj: and that's a bad thing? ;)
[01:58] <raj> yes
[01:58] <dockane> darkaudit, there is no firewall currently running. gift-setup was no my way but "sh apollon-installer-0.7.run
[01:58] <raj> does anyone know how I can get winxp to boot
[01:58] <geneo93> crimsun:  i dont know if you can even buy them anymore
[01:59] <whyameye> BTW, with my Wine error, I get the following. I have gotten this from XEmacs too: Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
[01:59] <whyameye> Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
[01:59] <nickrud> raj, it's pretty simple
[01:59] <raj> ok, how?
[01:59] <crimsun> geneo93: one can, but even if they are rare, one can't assume things will work
[01:59] <nickrud> title           Windows 95/98/Me
[01:59] <nickrud> root            (hd0,0)
[01:59] <nickrud> savedefault
[01:59] <nickrud> chainloader     +1
[01:59] <nickrud> add those four lines to the end of /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:59] <darkaudit> dockane: so you have the plugins enabled, and their respective directories & config files in ~/.giFT?
[01:59] <nickrud> ignore the 95 stuff, it will work with xp
[02:00] <b-rad|laptop> or better yet, is there a way I can re-install gnome without killing the rest of my installation
[02:00] <mypapit> finished with my ubuntu
[02:00] <mypapit> now i'm trying out tkpuki
[02:00] <dockane> darkaudit, imho this was made by the above mentioned commando
[02:00] <nickrud> raj, assuming your windows is installed on ide0 master, first partition
[02:00] <raj> yes
[02:01] <Xgates> hey all
[02:01] <dockane> darkaudit, "apollon-installer-0.7.run"
[02:01] <nickrud> raj, when you reboot, scroll down through the grub menu and select the last entry
[02:01] <Xgates> say Im trying to play a mp3 with Rythmbox, and says there is no plugin to handle a mp3
[02:01] <othernoob> raj: the title part just means what will be displayed by grub, you can change it to Win XP
[02:01] <darkaudit> dockane: their script sometimes fails to set up the FastTrack or Gnutella directories inside ~/.giFT. If they're not there, Apollon won't run if you try to use those plugins. Create those directories, and it'll run.
[02:01] <crimsun> Xgates: wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:02] <thr1ce> Xgates, you need gstreamer-0.8-sad
[02:02] <Xgates> crimsun: what?
[02:02] <raj> title		Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[02:02] <raj> root		(hd0,0)
[02:02] <raj> savedefault
[02:02] <raj> makeactive
[02:02] <raj> chainloader	+1
[02:02] <crimsun> Xgates: (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats)
[02:02] <raj> that is what it says now
[02:02] <geneo93>  maybe its not there anymore
[02:02] <Xgates> ahh
[02:02] <raj> at the very bottom
[02:02] <thr1ce> Xgates, switching from slack?
[02:02] <nickrud> raj, go and boot the evil one :)
[02:02] <raj> it won't
[02:02] <raj> ok
[02:02] <darkaudit> dockane: and the directories are typed just like that: FastTrack, and Gnutella
[02:02] <raj> i'll try
[02:02] <othernoob> nickrud: doesnt it need safedefault and makeactive too ?
[02:02] <r0d> how do make root be able to login?
[02:02] <apsuva> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[02:02] <apsuva> kernel?
[02:03] <geneo93> nick its gone
[02:03] <dockane> darkaudit, http://pastebin.com/287690
[02:03] <crimsun> apsuva: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[02:03] <nickrud> eh, it's a direct paste of what I use
[02:03] <mirak> so there is absolutely no update on hoary ?
[02:03] <crimsun> apsuva: implying that you need linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:03] <pjw> crimsun: Are developers going to mix kde applications with gnome applications in the future? IMO, it will be a howler.
[02:03] <mirak> it's totaly freezed ?
[02:03] <geneo93> no more windows
[02:03] <darkaudit> dockane: that's what it should look like
[02:03] <mirak> and we must wait with bugs
[02:03] <othernoob> nickrud: forget what i just said, i didnt see those two lines
[02:03] <mirak> fixes
[02:03] <mirak> ?
[02:04] <crimsun> pjw: Ubuntu is a gnome-centric project; Kubuntu is the community-based KDE-oriented project using Ubuntu as its base
[02:04] <Xgates> crimsun: ok I installed the gstreamer plugins :-)
[02:04] <Anubis> how manyhere use Limewire instead of GTK-Gnutella and why?
[02:04] <Xgates> thr1ce: at this point I believe so, just dont have to time for all the compiling anymore
[02:04] <nickrud> mldonkey
[02:04] <Xgates> have to/the ...
[02:04] <thr1ce> Xgates, haha, same
[02:04] <darkaudit> dockane: word from #apollon and #giFT is to allow up to 15 minutes to connect to the network...
[02:04] <thr1ce> Xgates, this runs alot quicker than my slack...nice config, very lean install, awesoem package management
[02:05] <thr1ce> and easily the best out of the box install i've ever encountered
[02:05] <Xgates> thr1ce: I bit of a pain in the beginning to recompile the kernel and kill all the serivces and tweak it up but I got it
[02:05] <pjw> developers should write some declaration :P Users will be more confident.
[02:05] <Xgates> thr1ce: then compile the alsa-drivers and set it up that way because I'm using a Audigy LS
[02:05] <thr1ce> Xgates, yeah, i'm yet to get a new kernel
[02:05] <crimsun> mirak: major bug fix updates
[02:06] <thr1ce> Xgates, which rd contains the servies btw?  is it 2?
[02:06] <nickrud> Just so that the three important wiki pages, RootSudo, RestrictedFormats, and BinaryDrivers are plastered all over that declaration:)
[02:06] <Xgates> thr1ce: I have a stock config you can look at to get you started on a K7 that is tiny with the cramfs installed if your going to use initrd
[02:06] <crimsun> /etc/init.d/  contains the initscripts
[02:06] <crimsun> they are symlinked into /etc/rc$i.d/
[02:06] <Xgates> thr1ce: install ---> apt-get rcconf
[02:06] <thr1ce> aah, ok
[02:06] <Xgates> thr1ce: run rcconf
[02:07] <skel_home> is there a way to get restricted modules for the 2.6.11 kernel?
[02:07] <dockane> darkaudit, dont mind. its working
[02:07] <darkaudit> dockane: cool :)
[02:07] <crimsun> skel_home: not if you're using 2.6.11 from universe. It's unsupported.
[02:07] <crimsun> skel_home: if you really want them, grab the source and compile them against linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:07] <skel_home> crimsun: so I'll basically need to wait until breezy is official for support?
[02:07] <thr1ce> so...can I just chmod -x stuff safely in /etc/init.d ?  like cupssys, fetchmail, etc. ?
[02:08] <skel_home> crimsun: ah ok
[02:08] <crimsun> thr1ce: sure
[02:08] <skel_home> crimsun: yeah I really just need nvidia support
[02:08] <Xgates> thr1ce: I still have hotplug in it, that one seems crazy if you kill it
[02:08] <Xgates> thr1ce: ---> http://www.patientswithouttime.com/2.6.10
[02:08] <thr1ce> Xgates, haha, i notcied that
[02:08] <thr1ce> Xgates, I think i've got a config lying around here somewhere
[02:08] <Xgates> BUT I ran --> chmod -x on it in /etc/init.d
[02:08] <Xgates> hehe
[02:09] <Xgates> keep it installed but dont run it
[02:09] <Xgates> lol
[02:09] <thr1ce> hotplug?
[02:09] <Xgates> yea
[02:09] <thr1ce> i'm just gonna -x soem stuff in init.d
[02:09] <asparagui> k.
[02:09] <Xgates> yea I did
[02:09] <asparagui> installed hoary 5.04 on an old dual g4 i had lying around.
[02:09] <crimsun> um, please don't do that unless you are intimately familiar with what your system requires :)
[02:09] <Xgates> thr1ce: seems that Ubuntu is looking for it at bootup from the kernel, but I killed it in /etc/init.d is all
[02:10] <thr1ce> crimsun, i was a slack user remember...I know my system quite well :)
[02:10] <nickrud> Xgates, just what did you disable?
[02:10] <nickrud> curiosity only
[02:10] <Xgates> one sec
[02:10] <crimsun> thr1ce: your _slack_ system, yes.
[02:10] <thr1ce> crimsun, well, I'm only doing things I won't be using, like cups, fetchmail, etc.
[02:10] <asparagui> boots, screen goes black after starting psbuttonsomething, gives a nifty little drum sound and sits there.
[02:11] <nickrud> oh, 2.6.11
[02:11] <crimsun> thr1ce: sure. Just don't run off and -x dbus or hotplug, or there will be much pain.
[02:11] <cusco> hi
[02:11] <asparagui> is there any way to enable ssh or something so i can troubleshoot from another computer?
[02:11] <thr1ce> crimsun, haha, yes, that would hurt
[02:11] <crimsun> asparagui: install openssh-server
[02:11] <cusco> how can I check for how long is my internet connection active?
[02:11] <cusco> is there a way?
[02:11] <bigbill52a> how do i startup in runlevel 3 rather than 5?
[02:11] <pjw> Are all packages from i386 available for amd64?
[02:11] <Xgates> nickrud: this is all thats running on my box ---> http://www.patientswithouttime.com/Screenshot.png
[02:11] <nickrud> Xgates, thank you
[02:11] <crimsun> bigbill52a: Ubuntu, like Debian, uses 2.
[02:12] <crimsun> bigbill52a: there are no runlevel games as there are in other distros
[02:12] <Xgates> thr1ce: I have Gnome running at 176mb at startup, I'd like to get that lower but might not get much lower
[02:12] <Xgates> hehe
[02:12] <Xgates> HELL usb running took 50mb I couldnt believe that
[02:12] <bigbill52a> i would like to startup in text mode and then type gdm to start xwindows...
[02:12] <nickrud> Xgates, are you using the old .dev, instead of udev's /dev
[02:13] <thr1ce> Xgates, that's not bad at all
[02:13] <crimsun> bigbill52a: there are hints on the wiki for disabling the display manager(s)
[02:13] <Xgates> no Im using udev
[02:13] <bigbill52a> thanks
[02:13] <Xgates> thr1ce: you know how to compile the nvidia kernel when you compile a kernel?
[02:14] <thr1ce> Xgates, i've got an ati card
[02:14] <Xgates> thr1ce: ahh
[02:14] <asparagui> how do i get to a shell?
[02:14] <Xgates> OH man get a NVIDIA
[02:14] <Xgates> hehe
[02:14] <Xgates> Im going to order here maybe today a 6800 GT
[02:14] <Xgates> :-)
[02:14] <thr1ce> well, i only game on my win2k pro install
[02:14] <Xgates> asparagui: Applications -- System Tools, Terminal
[02:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i set up a module from a source package after running apt-get source package_name ???
[02:15] <thr1ce> only et in linux, which works awesome anyways
[02:15] <asparagui> hehe.
[02:15] <latis> when Im about to install cedega it complains that I dont have libpng3
[02:15] <Xgates> thr1ce: no way AA rocks in Linux
[02:15] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: eh?
[02:15] <asparagui> the sys is dying while booting.
[02:15] <latis> but I can only install libpng3-dev and Its done
[02:15] <latis> what can be wrong?
[02:15] <thr1ce> Xgates, i tried it once, never got through the training, and quit
[02:15] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: a kernel module or a non-kernel module package?
[02:15] <Xgates> thr1ce: LOL dude do the training the MAPS are killer the game is awesome
[02:15] <Xgates> :-)
[02:15] <jorgp> how long does shipping of the cd's usually take?
[02:16] <nickrud> Xgates, ah, no changes to rcS.d, then
[02:16] <thr1ce> it's worth it?
[02:16] <dr_willis> I suck  at AA  - i keep dieing in the paratrooper drop.
[02:16] <dr_willis> :P
[02:16] <crimsun> latis: just enable universe and install it
[02:16] <crimsun> latis: the real package is libpng12-0
[02:16] <thr1ce> dr_willis, wait until the very last second to pull
[02:16] <thr1ce> Xgates, what else did you kill off in init?
[02:16] <crimsun> latis: libpng3 is not installed by default, because it's a dummy package
[02:16] <dr_willis> thr1ce,  pull out at the last second?  Oh wait...   wrong channel.. :P
[02:17] <thr1ce> hehe
[02:17] <Xgates> nickrud: no I just killed them in /etc/init.d then patched it so they dont complain when booting
[02:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun  i really have no clue.  how do i find out?
[02:17] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: what's the package name?
[02:17] <nickrud> heh, I'll run debian normal, thank you :)
[02:17] <Xgates> nickrud:   wget http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/rc.diff
[02:17] <Xgates>     wget http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/rcS.diff
[02:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun i'm trying to get jackd set up and useful.  the page suggests using this module.
[02:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> one sec
[02:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> dpkg-source: extracting realtime-lsm in realtime-lsm-0.1.1
[02:17] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: realtime-lsm ?
[02:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> yup
[02:18] <crimsun> that's not vital, but yes, you could certainly use it.
[02:18] <Xgates> if you dont patch it then THOSE scripts in /etc/init.c will complain that it cant start or stop in the console when shutting down or booting up
[02:18] <Xgates> init.d
[02:18] <Xgates> errrr
[02:18] <bigbill52a> could i have a bigger hint in wiki where i could find it...lol
[02:18] <crimsun> jackd works fine without realtime-lsm
[02:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> apparently it works a lot better with it.
[02:18] <crimsun> on a dedicated system, yes
[02:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> am i wrong?  that's what the jackd page says.
[02:19] <nickrud> Xgates, I do get your drift, i
[02:19] <crimsun> kinda worthless if you want to play games and such, too, on the same system
[02:19] <nickrud> it's just more work than I want to do, these days
[02:19] <BROKEN_LADDER>  JACK requires real-time scheduling privileges for reliable, dropout-free operation. The server requests these privileges when running with the -R option. The standard  Linux 2.4 kernel  does not adequately support this, but can be modified to work very well. Unmodified  2.6 kernels  work much better, but still require special configuration.
[02:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun was that addressed to me?
[02:19] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: yes
[02:19] <nickrud> however, I have a feeling I may be using your work down the pike :)
[02:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> how will running that module hurt game performance?
[02:20] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: other way around
[02:20] <bigbill52a> i can not use kubuntu or xfce because the xserver will crash leaving me with a screen filled with blinking grey boxes...the keyboard also crashes and i have to shut down the system manually
[02:20] <thr1ce> bbiab
[02:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun i won't be playing games while i'm using audio recording apps
[02:20] <asparagui> think i figured it out...remembered that it has a wierd video card.
[02:21] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: a good audio workstation should have no extraneous hardware installed (which implies no extraneous drivers loaded)
[02:21] <danc3> what's the latest version of ubuntu?
[02:21] <asparagui> plugged in a different monitor...works now.
[02:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun isn't that kind of taking it to the extreme?
[02:21] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: in other words, no binary-only graphics drivers, etc.
[02:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun i used to record in windows.  i think any setup in linux is a step up.
[02:21] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: no, all those irs add up.
[02:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> hrhm
[02:22] <Xgates> thr1ce: I killed --> anacron, apmd  , atd, bootclean.sh, cron, cupsys, evms, fetchmail, gdm, inetd, lvm, mdadm, mdadm-raid, ntpdate, postfix, powernowd,  ppp, ppp-dns, rsync  :-)
[02:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, i need to be able to use this computer for everything.
[02:22] <crimsun> go for it then.
[02:22] <r0d> how do i login as root from gnome?
[02:22] <Xgates> thr1ce: I'm going to redo the kernel and see if I can past this hotplug personally I dont need it
[02:22] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: btw, you want realtime-lsm-source
[02:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's what i got
[02:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> but then how do i compile it?
[02:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> just with ./configure and checkinstall, or is there an apt-get method?
[02:23] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: do you have build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed?
[02:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> obviously i don't care about sharing packages with others.
[02:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> no.  i need those?
[02:23] <crimsun> yes
[02:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh right..of course, because it's a module.
[02:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'll get 'em
[02:24] <bigbill52a> gdmsetup will allow you to login as root
[02:24] <anto9us> r0d: System | Administration | Login Screen Setup, the Security Tab | Allow root to login with GDM
[02:24] <epl> www.google.com
[02:24] <epl> sorry
[02:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay crimsun , it's installed.
[02:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> now what?
[02:26] <geneo93> dont cry when your system is unuseable
[02:26] <dr_willis> ;)
[02:26] <tnlaw2> hello people
[02:26] <geneo93> ./configure
[02:27] <nickrud> backups, rollbacks, all that stuff if for losers :)
[02:27] <RedNeck_> Hello Ubuntu uers
[02:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> geneo93 me?
[02:27] <r0d> anto9us, i try that, and the program doesnt run
[02:27] <tnlaw2> to all users:   please consider joining my new site (free) for bit torrent sharing
[02:27] <geneo93> yes BROKEN_LADDER
[02:27] <tnlaw2> http://204.11.54.60
[02:27] <tnlaw2> 2-cold torrents
[02:27] <tnlaw2> based in Houston TX
[02:28] <cliebow_> id the download site flky?
[02:28] <anto9us> r0d: if you mistype the root password there's no warning that you've mistyped it
[02:28] <pjw> In Poland is 2:30 AM yet. So, i am going to bed :P good night and dream :) bye bye
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> i was in houston over christmas.  it was cold as hell.
[02:28] <RedNeck_> Does the Ubuntu Wiki includes any info on how to use kickstar in Ubuntu Linux?
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> geneo93 why would it make my system unusable?
[02:28] <r0d> i can su into root, just cant do anything in the gui really
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> it only affects apps under the group audio
[02:29] <r0d> or login
[02:29] <cliebow_> is the download site flaky..or is it my 'chine
[02:29] <tnlaw2> 2-cold torrents currently has over 1000 members who are seeders/uploaders, etc and am seeking new members daily
[02:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> tnlaw2 enough advertising.
[02:29] <tnlaw2> Star Wars 3 now on 2 cold site for d/l
[02:29] <geneo93> well it can break the kernel
[02:29] <anto9us> r0d: actually, you can start gui programs as root, nautilus etc.
[02:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> SW3 is so good.
[02:29] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: make sure you read the readme(s) in /usr/share/doc/realtime-lsm-source
[02:29] <nickrud> tnlaw2, legal or not? that's the only question we have on this channel
[02:29] <tnlaw2> ok broken ladder
[02:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> tnlaw2 do you have it in ogg theora?
[02:29] <tnlaw2> yes broken
[02:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun when you install source packages, do you just compile them as you would regular source, or is there an apt-get method?
[02:30] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: it's pretty much as simple as untarring it and passing the correct parameters to debian/rules
[02:30] <tnlaw2> yes legal
[02:30] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: there's debian infrastructure for it. Read the readme
[02:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> debian rules?
[02:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh what have i gotten myself into?
[02:30] <crimsun> just read the directions.
[02:30] <crimsun> it's very straightforward
[02:30] <nickrud> BROKEN_LADDER, lol, you have just become a potential maintainer :)
[02:31] <Xgates> time 2:36
[02:31] <Xgates> lets see how long this goes
[02:31] <Xgates> since its tiny should be around 5 misn
[02:31] <Xgates> mins
[02:31] <Xgates> :-)
[02:32] <grateful> i'm having problems with Netgear FA311
[02:32] <grateful> i've got it plugged right into my cable modem
[02:32] <grateful> but i can't get it to connect to the dhcp
[02:33] <Xgates> thr1ce: getting quiet there DEEP into HaXoring the box up?
[02:33] <Xgates> lol
[02:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun i can't read the directions because i don't know where apt-get put my source..
[02:33] <r0d> anto9us, how would I run login screen setup as not root?
[02:33] <sysrq> grateful: and what does that have to do with ubuntu
[02:33] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: /usr/src
[02:33] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: the directions are in /usr/share/doc/realtime-lsm-source/
[02:33] <grateful> wondering if maybe ubuntu lacks netgear drives
[02:34] <geneo93> hehe
[02:34] <crimsun> grateful: what model FA311?
[02:34] <crimsun> (it does support FA311s)
[02:34] <cusco> hi... how do you add the /dev/hd1 windows partition to automount it self.. how do you put that into /etc/fstab
[02:34] <cusco> please=
[02:34] <Hackmo> back
[02:34] <crimsun> cusco: what type of windows partition?
[02:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm in /usr/source.
[02:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> that was the first place i guessed it might be..
[02:35] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: /usr/src, you mean?
[02:35] <grateful> ETGEAR FA311 Fast Ethernet Adapter
[02:35] <bigbill52a> sudo mkdir /media/c
[02:35] <anto9us> r0d: I don't think you do, it requires root privilage as it's a system administration task
[02:35] <crimsun> grateful: no, I need the line from lspci -v
[02:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun er..yeah
[02:35] <grateful> in windows right now
[02:35] <grateful> brb
[02:35] <grateful> gotta boot into ubuntu
[02:35] <RedNeck_> How can I make a ghost image of my Ubuntu installation on a CD?
[02:36] <bigbill52a> sudo /mount -t vfat (or ntfs) /dev/hda1 /media/c
[02:36] <bigbill52a> sudo mount -t vfat (or ntfs) /dev/hda1 /media/c
[02:36] <dr_willis> RedNeck_,  may want to check out "mondo/mindi" its designed to backup systems to cd/dvd disks or servers..
[02:36] <bigbill52a> in fstab
[02:36] <cusco> crimsun: ntfs
[02:36] <dr_willis> not sure what other archiveing tools are out that can do that.
[02:36] <tga> RedNeck_: check out http://rfhs8012.fh-regensburg.de/~feyrer/g4u/
[02:36] <Xgates> WoOt compile time 5mins NOW that my boys is why ya make a small kernel for one thing in case you need to recompile you dont sit there for a hour compiling every module under the sun
[02:37] <Xgates> LMAO
[02:37] <Xgates> :-)
[02:37] <bigbill52a> fstab----
[02:37] <tga> Xgates: that's why you use a canned kernel and don't bother with recompiling
[02:37] <RedNeck_> dr_willis where can I find mondo/mindi?
[02:37] <r0d> anto9us, thats messed up. I cant log in as root or use any gui programs because they require root. i would sudo them, but i cant
[02:38] <dr_willis> RedNeck_,  if its not in the repositories.. time to check their homepage.
[02:38] <cliebow_> RedNeck_: I'd suppose ther is  dd for that if you can boot from floppy
[02:38] <cliebow_> or a live cd
[02:38] <bigbill52a> /dev/hda1	/media/i	ntfs	umask=0222	0	0
[02:38] <anto9us> r0d: can you su from a terminal window?
[02:38] <bigbill52a> /dev/hda1	/media/c	ntfs	umask=0222	0	0
[02:38] <r0d> anto9us, yea
[02:39] <anto9us> do that and type gdmsetup
[02:39] <bigbill52a> you can only read ntfs
[02:39] <Xgates> tga: bah to many Windows noobs wanting to run Linux nowadays, real TUX users compile their own :-)
[02:39] <tga> r0d: did you delete yourself from /etc/sudoers or something?
[02:39] <Hackmo> Anyone know how to turn on surround sound support in Ubuntu?
[02:39] <bigbill52a> but you can copy files to your /home/bill or whatever
[02:39] <tga> Xgates: www.gentoo.org, have fun
[02:39] <r0d> tga nope
[02:40] <r0d> anto9us, when i do that, i get a gtk warning: cannot display
[02:40] <count0nz> gentoo rocks but i prefer U
[02:40] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: please see the readme in /usr/share/doc/realtime-lsm-source
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun that will really help me with finding the source huh?
[02:40] <ys76> r0d, Try 'xhost +' before su
[02:41] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: the src tarball is in /usr/src
[02:41] <nickrud> Xgates, heh, rock on, I want to use your work a few years from now
[02:41] <tga> r0d: I can't start anything as root either, but `sudo foo` works
[02:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have no docs for it.
[02:41] <crimsun> ys76: don't suggest xhost, please. Use xauth.
[02:41] <r0d> tga, says unable to open display
[02:41] <Xgates> tga: hehe no thanks been there done that Slackware is much better, but now that I have stripped down Ubuntu and compiled it up and killed alot of stuff it runs nicer :-)
[02:41] <dr_willis> i use 'sux'  when suing to root to run apps. :P
[02:41] <Xgates> nickrud: :-)
[02:41] <dr_willis> not sure what all it does however. Lol
[02:41] <Xgates> ok NEW kernel coming up ---> linux-image-2.6.10_1_i386.deb
[02:41] <Xgates> I think I'll have to make the L33t Kernels for users
[02:42] <Xgates> :-O
[02:42] <Xgates> hehe
[02:42] <Xgates> brb
[02:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> Slackware has terrible package management.
[02:42] <anto9us> r0d: you're running from a terminal within gnome?
[02:42] <r0d> anto9us, yep
[02:42] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: are you _positive_ you can't find those files?
[02:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> absolutely.
[02:43] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=realtime-lsm-source&version=hoary&arch=all
[02:43] <apollo2011> How do I resize NTFS during installation of kubuntu 5.04?  I see it has ntfsresize integrated, and when I click on the size, it says it will write the data to the disk but never asks for a size...is this info gathered after the data is written?
[02:43] <bigbill52a> once you log in as root rod..you can change your /etc/sudoers file and add your user name...copy exactly as root above ti
[02:43] <bigbill52a> it
[02:43] <asparagui> well, figured it out.
[02:43] <asparagui> bug in the display driver.
[02:44] <loren> what's the difference between ReiserFS and Ext3
[02:44] <coorey> Hi. I'm currently using Windows Xp Professional but I'm looking to switch to Linux. Do you all think that Ubunto would be a great distribution to start off with?
[02:44] <r0d> i think im gonna just gonna give my normal user root privilege with usermod......so unsafe......
[02:44] <crimsun> loren: different implementations of journaling filesystems
[02:44] <tga> coorey: it should be alright
[02:44] <coorey> I mean "Ubuntu"
[02:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun it's there now.  i had to do apt-get install instead of apt-get source
[02:44] <coorey> Thanks tga
[02:44] <loren> crimsun: does it in any way affect the folder structure of linux?
[02:44] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: yes, I said as much before
[02:44] <coorey> Is it easy to install?
[02:45] <cliebow_> coorey: ubuntu is pretty cool..We at ltsp are dabbling heavily in it
[02:45] <count0nz> :)
[02:45] <crimsun> loren: not to the non-kernel hacker
[02:45] <tga> coorey: the installer is not as fancy/pretty as other distros, but it's fairly easy
[02:45] <loren> crimsun: thanks :(
[02:45] <count0nz> ltsp rocks :)
[02:45] <crimsun> loren: the internal implementation is hidden; you should not concern yourself with it
[02:46] <RedNeck_> Is it possible to accces repositoies using firefox to download a single package?
[02:46] <cliebow_> coorey: very easy..and if you resize your windows side you can do double boot
[02:46] <cliebow_> and at least read your windows files
[02:46] <loren> crimsun: i know i was just curious about it that's all ;)
[02:46] <crimsun> RedNeck_: sure.
[02:46] <crimsun> RedNeck_: if it's an official package, look on packages.ubuntu.com -> CC.archive.ubuntu.com
[02:46] <coorey> when I use mac os x panther it is really stable, will ubuntu be as stable? this windows is killing me because i get so many kernel errors and/or blue screens from too much stress on the pc.
[02:46] <tga> coorey: you could try the Ubuntu live cd just to get a feel for it without having to write anything on your disk
[02:47] <coorey> cliebow_: thanks i already have 10gb set aside for another os boot
[02:47] <cliebow_> countOnz: yeah..i just got the Macintosh clients to use it too
[02:47] <crimsun> coorey: hopefully. It's difficult to say whether it'll be stable for your system if you say, yank the power cord every 10 minutes.
[02:47] <coorey> tga: i didn't even think about that. thanks i think i will do that first
[02:47] <tga> coorey: you're set then, nothing to lose but time :)
[02:47] <count0nz> :) wicked :)
[02:47] <RedNeck_> crimsun thanks
[02:47] <crimsun> np
[02:47] <coorey> tga: yeah i am downloading the install/live dvd right now, so i guess i just have to wait until it finishes
[02:48] <elmaya> i got an error when trying to compile pekwm any1 has installed it succesfully?
[02:48] <asparagui> no support for my particular video card.  so i'm sol.
[02:48] <asparagui> thanks for the help.
[02:48] <crimsun> asparagui: which card?
[02:48] <grateful> crimsun what command was i suppose to type again?
[02:48] <asparagui> geforce3, oddball mac thing.
[02:49] <crimsun> asparagui: not even 'nv' works?
[02:49] <cliebow_> coorey: it will be pretty foreign at first..In a week you'd have a hard time living without it
[02:49] <daniels> asparagui: should work alright ... what happened?
[02:49] <crimsun> grateful: (don't paste here) lspci -v
[02:49] <asparagui> cris: this is an old mac.  it uses a special display that the video card has to provide power for.
[02:49] <asparagui> and support for that ain't in there.
[02:49] <daniels> hrm
[02:50] <dr_willis> eww wht mac is that?
[02:50] <asparagui> old dual g4.
[02:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun lol, the docs say modula-assistant build realtime-lsm
[02:50] <dr_willis> ewww... :P lol
[02:50] <dr_willis> I got an imacDV
[02:50] <coorey> cliebow_: if that ends up being the case i will resize my windows partitiong down to 200 gbs and resize the ubuntu up to 100gb rather than just the 10gb that i am going to start it out with. that way i can start using it as my main os. it looks like a very fancy os on their homepage
[02:50] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: that's probably the easiest way
[02:50] <daniels> asparagui: it still should work -- have you tried it?
[02:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> dr_willis congrats.  you just paid too much for hardware.
[02:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun you didn't notice the typo.
[02:50] <asparagui> daniels: it runs, if i plug a vga monitor in.
[02:50] <dr_willis> i just cant  adjust the build in monitor with linux.. silly thing is off a about 2 chars :)
[02:50] <Hackmo> Can anyone help me with my webcam problem?
[02:50] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: 'a'
[02:51] <count0nz> LOL
[02:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah
[02:51] <tga> coorey: the system partition for ubuntu will not take more than 10GB
[02:51] <count0nz> Linux may not be completely immune - after all, nothing is immune to human gullibility and stupidity - but it is much more resistant. To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it. I know which one I'll trust. How about you?
[02:51] <asparagui> but i gotta give that monitor back.
[02:51] <crimsun> everyone loves modula programming languages, anyhow.
[02:51] <count0nz> :)
[02:51] <Hackmo> When I try to use it I get the error that it is already in use but it isn't, although the red light that usually comes on when it is in use has been on since boot up
[02:51] <coorey> tga: awww. . . thats bad news. do other distros do that as well or is ubuntu working on that now.
[02:51] <apollo2011> Does Ubuntu have support for NTFS Resizig or not?
[02:51] <apollo2011> During Installation
[02:51] <asparagui> it's all right, i'll put tiger on it.
[02:51] <asparagui> just wanted to play around.
[02:52] <coorey> apollo2011: great question. . .
[02:52] <tga> coorey: no, I mean it doesn't _need_ more than 5GBish, it doesn't grow by itself like the windows dir
[02:52] <daniels> asparagui: sure.  that might be another issue, though, rather than support being completely missing (bearing in mind that I ran it on one of those displays in a dual G4 1GHz for about a year and a half).
[02:52] <count0nz> ???? what ? 10Gig ?
[02:52] <apollo2011> ...
[02:52] <tga> what !!
[02:52] <apollo2011> coorey: does that meann you know the answer or...
[02:52] <count0nz> /dev/hda1              36G   31G  2.9G  92% /
[02:52] <count0nz> what do you mean 10Gig ?
[02:52] <nickrud> coorey, what tasks do you do, that will help you evalutate the tools ubuntu provides
[02:52] <coorey> apollo2011: no, i would like to know the answer as well. sorry.
[02:53] <tga> apollo2011: parted can resize ntfs, you could use qtparted from a livecd or something
[02:53] <Xgates> will killing hotplug in the kernel and /etc/init.d I get this:
[02:53] <Xgates> pivot_root: No such file or directory
[02:53] <Xgates> /sbin/init : 428: Cannot open Dev/Console: No such File
[02:53] <Xgates> Kernel Panic: Attempted to Kill Init
[02:53] <Xgates> whats with all that?
[02:53] <Xgates> hmm
[02:53] <tga> apollo2011: not sure if the install cd includes parted
[02:53] <Xgates> will killing/well .......
[02:53] <nickrud> Xgates, welcome to .dev and /dev :)
[02:53] <tga> count0nz: you mean that is all ubuntu, with no files of your own?
[02:53] <coorey> nickrud: i normally use adobe cs2 for graphics (computer/graphics major) and basic chat programs.
[02:53] <tga> /dev/mapper/lap0-root
[02:53] <tga>                       9.0G  2.1G  6.9G  24% /
[02:54] <apollo2011> coorey: amu on the kubuntu channel says it doesn't support resizing, but the ntfsresize site and the ubuntu wiki says that support for non-destructive ntfs resizing was added in 5.04
[02:54] <Xgates> nickrud: hehe yeah what I figure, but not sure how much of an issue it would be
[02:54] <count0nz> tga, ohhhhhh lol ok a Base install yes is like 4-6Gig max agree
[02:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun which file am i actually going to put in the ../modules/ directory?
[02:54] <count0nz> Thats inludeing kde :)
[02:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun unzip the bz2 and put that directory in there?
[02:54] <Xgates> static devices seemed to always work fine for me in the past and I have only see problems with /udev
[02:55] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: none. You untar the tarball from /usr/src
[02:55] <nickrud> coorey, gimp is the only thing linux has to offer for graphics, and, for pros, I hear it's not the best, but, run ubuntu anyway :)
[02:55] <coorey> apollo2011: i am going to see if i can do it when i install ubuntu in about an hour
[02:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun and ./configure and checkinstall?
[02:55] <apollo2011> coorey: Jet2k5 on kubuntu says you go into the manual partitioning and highlight the size of the partition and hit backspace...
[02:55] <RedNeck_> How do I install mondo/mindi (sudo apt-get install mondo/mindi)?
[02:55] <count0nz> what did thay do to gnome ... make it flash subliminal messages "you will like gnome..."
[02:55] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: no, use module-assistant
[02:56] <apollo2011> coorey don't know if he is actually sure on that or not...
[02:56] <anto9us> coorey: check out inkscape for vector graphic work
[02:56] <nickrud> Xgates, that error is exaclty when I started using prebuild kernels entirely, so, YMMV
[02:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun nm i'm an idiot.
[02:56] <coorey> nickrud: we have a few graphics programs here at my university that were engineered for unix and linux based systems. . . so i would like to get my feet wet and learn how to make graphics on all the major os's. i already have learned for mac and windows. all thats left is linux.
[02:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> sudo module-assistant build realtime-lsm / Target package file /usr/src/realtime-lsm-module-2.6.10-5-686_0.1.1-5+2.6.10-34_i386.deb already exists, not rebuilding!
[02:57] <nickrud> coorey, then you have not a thing to loose, except some time
[02:57] <coorey> nickrud: so i will just have the profs here install the programs on my linux os for me. yeah the time is in the wait for the dvd to finish downloading
[02:57] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: so now install that deb
[02:57] <coorey> anto9us: thanks. . . you know a site, or should i hust google it
[02:57] <nickrud> coorey, then ubuntu will be about as stable a platform as you could ask for.
[02:58] <RedNeck_> How do I install mondo/mindi (sudo apt-get install mondo/mindi)?
[02:58] <BROKEN_LADDER>  realtime-lsm-module-2.6.10-5-686 depends on realtime-lsm; however:  Package realtime-lsm is not installed.
[02:58] <coorey> apollo2011: i hope he is right, but i hope i don't make a mistake and erase my windows partitions, i have many v.i.p. files on their that i would like to move over
[02:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> done.
[02:59] <coorey> nickrud: thanks for the helpful info
[02:59] <Xgates> nickrud: no worries I'll rip out udev and see how it goes I dont really need it
[02:59] <anto9us> coorey: it's in the ubuntu repositories for install, for info look at http://www.inkscape.org/
[02:59] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: now configure it.
[02:59] <bigbill52a> http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows   shows how to mount windows partitions
[02:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks crimsun.  once that's installed, am i good, or do i have to edit modules.conf or whatever it is called in ubuntu?
[02:59] <Hackmo> Anyone here use a webcam on Ubuntu?
[02:59] <coorey> anto9us: thanks
[02:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> ay ay ay
[02:59] <nickrud> coorey, most things you will want will be in the ubuntu repositories, including inkscape.
[02:59] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you do have to configure it (which group, etc.)
[03:00] <nickrud> I'm a bit biased, so load it up, and do your own eval.
[03:00] <coorey> nickrud: this Ubuntu is looking very promising and I haven't even installed it yet. I can't wait for the download to finish so I can burn it and learn it.
[03:00] <thr1ce> coorey, yeah, it's the best out the box linux os I have found
[03:00] <thr1ce> very lean, stable, quick
[03:00] <nickrud> coorey, I've been running debian, the basis of ubuntu, and only loaded it as a dare. the darer won
[03:01] <thr1ce> how many CD's is the new debian going to be?
[03:01] <thr1ce> I heard a rediculous number
[03:01] <coorey> thr1ce: all the rest looked boring. the only other one that seemed to interest me was Novell SUSE v9.3 but I couldn't find the download links on their site for a full install of the pro version.
[03:02] <thr1ce> brb
[03:02] <geneo93> coorey:  its not free
[03:02] <coorey> thr1ce: it doesn't even have to be quick. . . just as long as i get less errors from too many processes as i do with windows
[03:02] <Hackmo> Anyone know how to get my phillips toucam pro 2 working in Ubuntu?
[03:02] <coorey> geneo93: i guess that answers my question about how to i download it
[03:03] <cliebow_> debian tends to be wicked quick..to the point
[03:03] <cliebow_> easy on memory
[03:03] <nickrud> coorey, as long as your machine is quick, with googlplexes of memory, it will do graphics better
[03:03] <nickrud> all other things being equal
[03:03] <geneo93> coorey:  9.3 personal will be soon though
[03:04] <cliebow_> i had ltsp on libraNET for a while..It worked very nicely for a whole school
[03:04] <coorey> nickrud: no prob their, when i entered the graphics major at my school, i switched over to an AMD64 FX with 3gb ddr. so thats not the prob, i just run a ton of graphics programs which always causes windows to go haywire. so i'm hoping linux will fix this problem
[03:05] <cliebow_> coorey: i just spenr rwo days cleaning spyware off xp machines..what a pain in the patoot
[03:05] <coorey> geneo93: will it be similar to ubuntu or will ubuntu still be better?
[03:05] <RedNeck_> How can I install the Ati drivers on my ubuntu box?
[03:05] <coorey> cliebow: yeah thats another bummer
[03:06] <crimsun> RedNeck_: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:06] <coorey> cliebow: so much time and energy and processes are taken up by anti virus programs and spyware and adware programs just to keep your pc safe. its ashame that microsoft doesn't do something about that
[03:06] <nickrud> coorey, I hope it works for you.
[03:06] <cusco> hi
[03:06] <Curlydave> hey
[03:06] <Curlydave> can anyone here help wiht with some issues?>
[03:07] <cusco> from what repo can I install gwget?
[03:07] <nickrud> and he documents his experience, so I can leach :)
[03:07] <coorey> nickrud: yeah you all have got me excited about it. 32 minutes left on the download, and you will see me disconnect.
[03:07] <Curlydave> i keep getting errors involving my hostname, and it's because the install wrote my hosts file incorrectly, and I need to add my username to it
[03:07] <crimsun> grateful: did you paste that output to pastebin.com?
[03:07] <ahuman01> coorey, which gfx programs exactly
[03:08] <Curlydave> the problem is that I cannot edit it, becaseu I do not own it. People say use the terminal to edit it, but that gives me an error
[03:08] <Curlydave> sudo: unable to lookup amd64 via gethostbyname()
[03:08] <Curlydave> (gedit:8059): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[03:08] <othernoob> night :)
[03:08] <Curlydave> IO error occured opening connection.
[03:08] <Curlydave> ** (gedit:8059): CRITICAL **: gedit_cmd_edit_undo: assertion `active_view' failed
[03:09] <anto9us> Curlydave: you can su to root and vi /etc/hosts
[03:09] <Curlydave> hwo do i do that?
[03:09] <anto9us> Curlydave: read the man page for vi before you use it
[03:09] <Curlydave> where can i find vi?
[03:10] <bigbill52a> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[03:10] <jp_> ?
[03:10] <thr1ce> use pico, it'll be easier
[03:10] <bigbill52a> for ati drivers it worked for me
[03:10] <crimsun> (not pico but nano)
[03:10] <jp_> thr1ce do you like pico?
[03:10] <thr1ce> jp, personally I use vi, but pico is easier to use if you're new
[03:10] <geneo93> man vi
[03:10] <jp_> oh ok :)
[03:10] <Funraiser> wanna look at something funny, look at this a...h who tries to break in my system, trying all the ports he can find...http://imgnow.net/imgs/pirate2.png
[03:11] <thr1ce> http://www.slackbook.org/html/vi.html
[03:11] <coorey> ahuman: right now adboe photoshop cs2, imageready cs2, then on top of that I run PearPC (Mac OS X Tiger) with the same two programs to work on my graphics for both platforms without having to go back and forth between an actual mac and a pc. then vegas 6/sound forge for easy editing. having all these programs open and running different things at the same time kils my memory.
[03:11] <thr1ce> read that if you want to know how to use vi
[03:11] <thr1ce> the best tutorial I know iof
[03:12] <mirak> is there a /usr/share/doc browser ?
[03:12] <mirak> a documentation browser
[03:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun apparently the default config for debian is supposed to be fine.  now how do i run it?  do i have to modprobe it?
[03:12] <nickrud> coorey, if you've never head of vmware, you probably wanna look at it
[03:13] <mpm> also "vimtutor" as a command is a great way to learn (if that's what you were talking about)
[03:13] <cliebow_> any rreason the server side i cant get more than 70 meg of ubuntu iso downloaded
[03:13] <nickrud> coorey, assuming there's a x86 in the mix somewhere :)
[03:13] <Funraiser> [URL=http://imgnow.net/imgs/pirate2.png] Image[/URL] 
[03:13] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: yep
[03:14] <Hackmo> I'll send someone naked pictures of my girlfriend if they can please help me with my webcam problem
[03:14] <thr1ce> haha
[03:14] <Curlydave> k i'm back, checking out vi
[03:14] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[03:14] <thr1ce> Hackmo, gaim -vv I think it is?
[03:14] <thr1ce> or gnome-meeting
[03:14] <nickrud> Hackmo, I helped you already, where's my picture :)
[03:14] <Funraiser> Hackmo, my webcam worked only with Gnomemeeting
[03:14] <thr1ce> use gnomemeeting
[03:15] <Funraiser> Hackmo, but it worked well
[03:15] <Hackmo> haha, all the replies I get with promisese of pictures
[03:15] <Funraiser> lol
[03:15] <geneo93> nickrud:  shes prolly fat
[03:15] <nickrud> lies, too
[03:15] <loren> bite me
[03:15] <Funraiser> i hope she's cute
[03:15] <Hackmo> i've tried with gnomemeeting but I keep getting the error that the camera is already in use
[03:15] <loren> como se llamas
[03:15] <Hackmo> i've tried other applications aswell with the same problem
[03:15] <Funraiser> what camera?
[03:16] <Hackmo> phillips toucam pro 2
[03:16] <coorey> nickrud: thanks. looking at their product site now, might be able to help me out at this point.
[03:16] <thr1ce> coorey, it will run linux over your windows, just as pearPC will with os x
[03:16] <IIIEars> ""sudo cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4_backup <<- "Cannot stat" "No such file or directory" - Does this command work with X running?""
[03:17] <nickrud> coorey, if you have the resourses ....
[03:17] <thr1ce> IIIEars, of course it will; are you sure you don't want /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[03:17] <Curlydave> hey sorry, what was the main page for VI again?
[03:17] <Curlydave> and vi will let me write to read-only files or change permissions?
[03:17] <mpm> main page or man page Curlydave?
[03:17] <Funraiser> Hackmo, anyway gnomemeeting is only for those who have gnomemeeting, so the webcam there is no very useful
[03:17] <Funraiser> not*
[03:17] <mpm> Curlydave: you have to either sudo vi or chmod before editing
[03:17] <IIIEars> (sheeepish grin.) erm.. No, not really. - lol - Should i edit Xorg?
[03:18] <Tezkah> nooooo not vi
[03:18] <Hackmo> Funraiser: yeah i'm only using gnomemeeting to test my webca
[03:18] <anto9us> Curlydave, the main thing you need is press i to enter insert mode, type your line, press esc to go back to command mode then type :x to save and exit
[03:18] <ahuman01> coorey, assuming your particular photoshop+other apps never use >3GB of memory (RAM + paging file), you can see great improvement by keeping a very small Windows page file
[03:18] <Hackmo> webcam*
[03:18] <Xgates> nickrud: ok off to see how we do with no udev installed :-)
[03:18] <Curlydave> so i would type "sudo gedit vi /etc/hosts"
[03:18] <mpm> Curlydave: sudo vi /etc/hosts
[03:18] <thr1ce> no
[03:18] <Hackmo> Anyone got any ideas?
[03:18] <thr1ce> sudo vi /etc/hosts
[03:18] <mpm> Curlydave: gedit and vi are separate editors
[03:18] <thr1ce> or sudo gedit /etc/hosts
[03:19] <Curlydave> ohh ok i'll try that
[03:19] <Curlydave> i'll give that a shot, thanks
[03:19] <coorey> nickrud: seeing that my pc already crashes from too much resources being pulled, don't know if it will support one more virtual window being opened. i can only add one more stick of ram into the pc because it only supports 4gb. maybe its time to move up to windows 2003 server so my pc will support more than 1gb sticks in each slot.
[03:19] <Curlydave> lemme boot up linux, i'll come back and let you know if it worked!
[03:19] <mpm> Curlydave: gedit is more newbie-friendly, but vi/vim are more powerful in the long run if you learn it
[03:19] <Funraiser> ok now the link works, look at this guys trying to hack my pc http://img273.echo.cx/my.php?image=pirate26wk.png
[03:19] <IIIEars> Why is visudo better at editing some files and not others? - (okay, I am a newb. grin)
[03:20] <Funraiser> well u should
[03:20] <pvanhoof> for a specific application I need the exact same version of compiler as used by the kernel (Ubuntu breezy: kernel was compiled by 3.3.5). How can I easily obtain that version of gcc?
[03:20] <jfgarcia> Hi everybody!
[03:20] <ahuman01> coorey, However photoshop has strange VM requirements, Its wokrd for me with my limited photoshop use. Atleast I've seen trmendous improvement with other apps. I have 1GB of Ram and no paging file. Windows paging implementation is really bad.
[03:20] <nickrud> coorey, no, that won't be an issue, the switching with vmware happens a level windows won't even see, in fact, you can probably run an instance of windows
[03:20] <IIIEars> visudo is for editing firewall config files?
[03:20] <bigbill52a> warm and toasty today in yuma 108 F good temp for burning cd's
[03:20] <we2by> any one here play hlaflife in Ubuntu?
[03:21] <Funraiser> thr1ce, specially if u run bittorrent
[03:21] <nickrud> for each of your resource hogs, and manage them better
[03:21] <latis> we2by, soon I think :)
[03:21] <thr1ce> Funraiser, why do you say that?
[03:21] <we2by> latis, why do you say soon?
[03:21] <we2by> not yet?
[03:21] <coorey> ahuman01: yeah i agree. . . i always have to defrag the paging file
[03:21] <IIIEars> vmware uses undocumented error codes to pass instructions. (in a windows base OS)
[03:21] <latis> we2by, no, since Im updating steam :)
[03:22] <DefHandz> Where would I find a new sources.list?
[03:22] <bigbill52a> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[03:22] <we2by> latis, on Ubuntu?
[03:22] <coorey> ahuman: can you accomplish anything in photoshop with only 1gb? or do you not really do heavy graphics in it?
[03:22] <latis> we2by, yes
[03:22] <Funraiser> well, the port the guy is trying is the one i use azureus on, BUT azureus was not running anymore, when I scan HIS ports, he started to freak out, and suddenly scanned like 10 ports of mine, (u can see that in the pic)
[03:22] <IIIEars> (Resistence is futile - throws up hands and watches quietly from a corner.)
[03:23] <bigbill52a> delete cut and paste...cant be easier than that
[03:23] <Curlydave> hey
[03:23] <jfgarcia> .
[03:23] <Curlydave> i'm in linux now,
[03:23] <Curlydave> trying vi
[03:23] <sebas_1> nickrud i found something
[03:23] <we2by> latis, any guide how to make it works?
[03:23] <nickrud> sebas_1, yeah?
[03:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun my realtime module is working.  thanks a bunch.
[03:23] <sebas_1> nickrud i found xf86.config
[03:23] <latis> we2by, www.transgaming.com and buy cedega
[03:24] <ahuman01> coorey, my PS use is limited
[03:24] <nickrud> sebas_1, you mean XF86Config
[03:24] <we2by> latis, I don't have money
[03:24] <we2by> latis, any other way?
[03:24] <mpm> Curlydave: if you want to learn vi, type 'vimtutor' in the terminal window and spend an hour going through it.  If you don't know vi and want to accomplish something quickly use gedit
[03:24] <coorey> ahuman01: oh okay
[03:24] <sebas_1> nickrud yeah
[03:24] <latis> we2by, not any easy way, no
[03:24] <DefHandz> Heh, I've been having trouble installing cedega. It says it cant install libpng3, and the people in here have been telling me to edit sources.list
[03:24] <Curlydave> alright, vi lets me edit :)
[03:24] <Curlydave> how did you say you save it now?
[03:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone know of any ambitious open standards for future email that would provide pervasive encryption, authentication, etc?
[03:24] <latis> we2by, it costs 15Euro.. save for it
[03:24] <Funraiser> and what's more: this IP number is one in US, and there is one very close to this one: believe it or not, it's the one from the mpaa...
[03:24] <mpm> Curlydave: ZZ in command mode or :wq
[03:25] <anto9us> Curlydave: esc for command mode then :x
[03:25] <Curlydave> k
[03:25] <bigbill52a> defhands..i just use the sources.list in ubutu.org
[03:25] <DefHandz> Hm...
[03:25] <Funraiser> guys: set your firewall in Ubuntu, it's called Firestarter, it's in synaptic, and easy to setup
[03:25] <mpm> curlydave this is also the tutorial that the folks in #vim recommend http://www.vi-improved.org/tutorial.php
[03:26] <Curlydave> ty that works i love you!
[03:26] <Curlydave> mucho luv
[03:26] <bigbill52a> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[03:26] <Curlydave> is there a reason why gedit doens't work?
[03:26] <Funraiser> sudo
[03:26] <mpm> curly did you sudo gedit?
[03:26] <DefHandz> I'm not seeing one bigbill...
[03:27] <bigbill52a> just a sec
[03:27] <Curlydave> naw, gedit gives me lines and lines of errors
[03:27] <Curlydave> vi worked though!
[03:27] <Tezkah> no... vi never works
[03:27] <Tezkah> why would you say that?
[03:27] <coorey> thanks for all the info and help everyone. my download is complete and i am going to install Ubuntu now. Later.
[03:27] <Curlydave> lol
[03:27] <ahuman01> coorey, If you've seen things like firefox and other apps crawling after you exit from a game, disabling the VM in windows will make a great difference. Or if u copy a large file and other apps slow down, that will not happen
[03:27] <bigbill52a> tp://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[03:27] <Curlydave> but gedit wouldn't
[03:27] <Funraiser> DefHandz, u trying to compile it?
[03:27] <jp_> how can I install an external scanner driver that it's not on ubuntu, and use it with xsane? somebody knows a howto for that on ubuntu? thanks guys
[03:27] <jp_> :)
[03:27] <Curlydave> wow wait now gedit works too
[03:27] <bigbill52a> http://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[03:27] <Curlydave> i think gedit was getting bugged by the error in my hosts file
[03:28] <Curlydave> and now that the hosts file is corrected, i'm good!
[03:28] <concept10> does cedega cost?
[03:28] <DefHandz> bigbill52a THANKS! That is EXACTLY what I freaking need to fix this -_-
[03:28] <bigbill52a> it also has the backports
[03:29] <DefHandz> I have to edit that for cedega to install, and something with libpng2
[03:29] <DefHandz> er 3
[03:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> to disable unneeded startup services, should i just changed their permissions in /etc/rc2.d/ to take away the +x?
[03:29] <jp_> how can I install an external scanner driver that it's not on ubuntu, and use it with xsane? somebody knows a howto for that on ubuntu? thanks guys
[03:30] <IIIEars> $ gedit ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/Install\ Deb <<-- Where do is this file? - did a symlink "eat" it? where did it go?
[03:30] <mpm> bob2: I noticed you advised against the backports the other day... If I remove them from my sources.list will that be ok or will I have conflicts because of things I've already possibly downloaded?
[03:30] <concept10> jp_: what kind of scanner
[03:30] <bigbill52a> i just deleted all my entries in my current sources.list and copied everything in this sources.list and then i added the backport entries....
[03:30] <crimsun> mpm: removing them and updating should be enough
[03:30] <bob2> mpm: when you upgrade to breezy when it comes out, you'll probably have to manually uninstall them, too
[03:30] <mpm> crimsun: would you also advise against backports?
[03:30] <nali0th> howdy
[03:30] <crimsun> mpm: yes
[03:30] <jp_> concept10 it's a canon n640pex :S
[03:30] <bigbill52a> the ubuntu guide is very simple to use ...
[03:30] <bob2> at least that's what happened with hoary
[03:31] <nali0th> brb
[03:31] <nali0th> ok now
[03:31] <jp_> concept10 the driver is build, but I don't know how to integrate it to xsane :S
[03:31] <mpm> and how would I manually uninstall them bob2? sudo apt-get remove ??
[03:31] <nali0th> thats better
[03:31] <jp_> concept10 the driver is built, but I don't know how to integrate it to xsane :S
[03:31] <nickrud> anything that came from backports will show up under obsolete or local, so you can decide what to do
[03:31] <IIIEars> $ gedit ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/Install\ Deb <<-- - did a symlink "eat" it? where did it go?
[03:31] <bigbill52a> root terminal and copy and paste for most of the ubuntu guide...it was a breeze to get all my multimedia working
[03:32] <DefHandz> hm
[03:32] <bob2> nickrud: hm, are you sure? I would have thought only packages that only existed at all in backports would do that, while ones that just had a higher version in backports would not.
[03:32] <IIIEars> $ sudo gedit ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/Install\ Deb <<-- - Had to make it where did it disappear to?
[03:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2  since you are so knowledgeable, could i please bug you with my question? it should be a no-brainer for you..  to disable unneeded startup services, should i just changed their permissions in /etc/rc2.d/ to take away the +x?
[03:33] <mpm> I'm a teacher and currently have about 8 ubuntu machines in my classroom, does anyone have any timesaving  ideas for keeping them all updated and configured identically?
[03:33] <IIIEars> I am really really curious. Can you please help me?
[03:33] <bigbill52a> thanks to the writers of the guide..the most useful piece of howto in all of linux
[03:33] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: no, that won't do anything, delete the symlink from rc2
[03:33] <nickrud> bob2, I'm basing that on my experience with eperimental, and I am used to being wrong
[03:33] <cliebow_> mpm:ltsp
[03:33] <bob2> heh
[03:33] <bob2> guess we'll find out in october :P
[03:34] <bob2> mpm: dsh might be useful, it lets you run commands on multiple machines at once
[03:34] <crimsun> mpm: I have a crontab that runs nightly and downloads any updates. I look at them in the morning when I arrive at the office.
[03:34] <nickrud> bob2, not me, I took your advice to heart :)
[03:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 gads...delete it?  mmmk.
[03:34] <bob2> heh
[03:34] <IIIEars> bigbill - check out this useful script for installing a Deb file.  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-33584.html
[03:34] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: it's a symlink, it contains little useful information
[03:34] <bigbill52a> thanks
[03:34] <concept10> jp_: where is your driver located?
[03:35] <nali0th> IIIEars: script for installing debs? what happened to dpkg -i?
[03:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> well yeah..but if i ever wanted to turn something back on...
[03:35] <mpm> crimsun: do you have a copy of the crontab you could share?  bob2 i'm googling dsh; otherwise I'm thinking of creating scripts that run repetetive config tasks, as I'm frequently installing ubuntu on donated machines for other classrooms at my school
[03:35] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: then you use update-rc.d to trivially restore it
[03:35] <Curlydave> alright, one issue with linux down: a million more to go :p
[03:35] <jp_> concept10 I downloaded it, I don't know what have I to do... if I have to compile it and then make some links to use it at xsane, really I don0't know :(
[03:35] <bob2> mpm: (dsh is in ubuntu)
[03:36] <IIIEars> It is a great little hack using dpkg to install Deb files with a single click.
[03:36] <concept10> jp_: where did you get it from
[03:36] <Jormundgand> mpm: I envy your school for having the wherewithall to switch to FLOSS.
[03:36] <jp_> concept10 from a web pages
[03:36] <jp_> concept10 from a web page
[03:36] <concept10> post the link
[03:36] <bigbill52a> i will give it a try...ubuntu...is the first time i have ever gotten all the multimedia stuff to work...and other things as well..like ati drivers
[03:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 that's genius
[03:37] <Curlydave> hey, does anyone know of a way to put the main menu bar on the bottom?
[03:37] <IIIEars> Created a base file to edit with the last command you saw and it has vanished.
[03:37] <Curlydave> with it on top it's harder to select dif windows by their tilebar
[03:37] <mpm> Jormundgand: well we're small, and we're not alltogether switching, it's more of a gradual introduction of linux in the classroom so that teachers and students gain familiarity with something else; our principal is more of a Mac fan, but we have no funds to buy much of anything
[03:37] <Jormundgand> mpm: Ah, I see.
[03:38] <mpm> Curlydave: rightclick it i think no? (isn't in gnome atm)
[03:38] <IIIEars> mpm - Welcome to Ubuntu!
[03:38] <jamminpotato> where i s the file i must modify to upgrade from wart to hoary?
[03:38] <Curlydave> oh ty!
[03:38] <Curlydave> there are optiosn i did not notice
[03:38] <Jormundgand> jamminpotato: /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:38] <Curlydave> nice
[03:38] <jamminpotato> thanks
[03:39] <bob2> Curlydave: middle-click on it, drag to the bottom
[03:39] <jp_> concept10 firefox is f*cked thanks for the help btw =P
[03:39] <Jormundgand> jamminpotato: Then apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get moo.
[03:39] <friedCrumpet> Anyone have problems with their video playback, the hue is all stuffed up, and I can't adjust it in gxine...
[03:39] <jp_> I don't remember the link too :/
[03:39] <Curlydave> ps: most of my linux problems went away after fixing hte host file
[03:39] <Xgates> is this the latest cramfs patch version that Ubuntu used in the kernel --> cramfs--MAIN--0--patch-20.patches.tar.gz
[03:40] <Curlydave> has anyone here installed ATI video card drivers for ubuntu?
[03:40] <Curlydave> I'm following the instructions in the thread, but step 2 gives me an error
[03:40] <jamminpotato> Jormundgand, how do i open sources in the terminal texxt editor
[03:40] <mpm> jamminpotato: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:41] <bob2> Xgates: that's a bazaar archive, not just a tarball
[03:41] <Jormundgand> I think he wants nano. He specified terminal editor.
[03:41] <Jormundgand> jamminpotato: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:42] <count0nz> nano -w is better for editing files like his
[03:42] <Curlydave> when i try to install ATI vid card drivers, step two gives me this error:
[03:42] <Curlydave> couldn't find package linux-restricted modules
[03:42] <count0nz>  /s/his/this
[03:42] <Curlydave> lol
[03:42] <Curlydave> has anyone here installed ati vid card drivers?
[03:43] <bob2> Curlydave: you mistyped
[03:43] <bob2> Curlydave: linux-restricted-modules
[03:43] <count0nz> nano -w (       -w (--nowrap)
[03:43] <count0nz>               Disable wrapping of long lines.
[03:43] <count0nz> )
[03:43] <Curlydave> alright her'es wha ti typed
[03:43] <Curlydave>  sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-</boot/vmlinuz> xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:43] <bob2> er, that's quite wrong
[03:44] <Curlydave> eh? what's it supposed to look like
[03:44] <bob2> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:44] <fgr> hello, does gdesklets have known problems on hoary?
[03:44] <Curlydave> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&highlight=ati+drivers is wher ei got it from
[03:44] <bob2> best to ignore the forums then
[03:44] <Curlydave> k i'll try that
[03:44] <Curlydave> lol
[03:45] <thr1ce> just use the fglrx package from hoary; the drivers work well enough
[03:45] <xvers> hey.. in gnome, my application list and workspace switcher dont appear on the bottom, any help?
[03:45] <bob2> oh god, yes
[03:45] <bob2> please ignore that post on the forusm entirely
[03:45] <Pupeno> How do you choose to enable TCP or UDP ports on firestarter ? actually I opened a port, but I see that the UDP connections on that port are being blocked.
[03:45] <Curlydave> oy-i tried that command an i get the same typ eof error wher eit can't find hte restricted module packages :(
[03:45] <anto9us> acpi suspend to ram stopped working for me after installing fglrx drivers for my radeon 9700, my screen trashes and the system locks, anyone know how to fix it?
[03:46] <bob2> Curlydave: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:46] <james_> hey guys, what do you think would be faster - 2 x 36 gb western digital 10k rpm raptors on a RAID 0 array or 1 single 76 gb western digital 10k raptor? and by how much?
[03:46] <Curlydave> k
[03:46] <bob2> Curlydave: if you got an error, I suspect you mistyped
[03:46] <thr1ce> anto9us, add a tmpfs to your /etc/fstab
[03:46] <Curlydave> k
[03:46] <tga> james_: the raid 0 should be faster
[03:46] <thr1ce> shared memory issue with ATI cards
[03:46] <bob2> anto9us: is it supposed to work at all with the binary drivers?
[03:46] <james_> tga, how much faster?
[03:47] <tga> james_: I don't know, I guess it also depends on what you're doing
[03:47] <nickrud> out of curiosity, it there any reason the big three wikis are not in the irc greeting?
[03:47] <anto9us> thr1ce: thanks, I'll try that
[03:47] <Curlydave> also, i have 64-bit ubuntu/cpu. it indicates on hte ati website that you need the "32-bit packages" to work the 64
[03:47] <xvers> hey.. in gnome, my application list and workspace switcher dont appear on the bottom, any help?
[03:47] <bob2> Curlydave: ignore the website
[03:47] <Curlydave> so do i need to download and install hte 32 bit drivers first, or can i just use the 64-bit ones
[03:47] <Curlydave> k
[03:47] <anto9us> bob2: it doesn't work with binary drivers?
[03:47] <bob2> nickrud: there's more than wiki.ubuntu.com?
[03:47] <thr1ce> anto9us, google for tmpfs ATI driver or something; also, make sure you ran through fglrxconfig, and make SURE you use externalAGP
[03:47] <bob2> anto9us: I'd be surprised if it did
[03:47] <bigbill52a> right click on the taskbar and you can add what you want
[03:47] <bob2> but thr1ce seems to know more than me
[03:47] <james_> tga, hmm, do you think it would be worth the extra noise the 36 drives have, and the extra $30?
[03:47] <Curlydave> so just use the 64-bit ones?
[03:48] <bob2> Curlydave: just follow the wiki page
[03:48] <nickrud> binary drivers, restricted formats, and root sudo will cover a huge chunk
[03:48] <tga> james_: again, depends on what you're doing
[03:48] <tga> james_: not for a desktop imho
[03:48] <Curlydave> k i'm there
[03:48] <bob2> nickrud: oh...people don't read the irc greeting, nor the topic, nor the faq, unfortunately
[03:48] <Curlydave> but just follow those instructiosn for hte 64-bit driver?
[03:48] <DefHandz> After I get Cedega working and all, what would everyone reccomend I do with Kubuntu?
[03:48] <james_> tga, let's say i'm a power desktop user ;)
[03:48] <xMaximex> In xinerama dualhead, how do i switch metamodes ?
[03:49] <bob2> Curlydave: just follow the instructions on the wiki page I gave you
[03:49] <nickrud> bob2, but then we can just point :(
[03:49] <IIIEars> $ sudo gedit ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/Install\ Deb (scream.png)
[03:49] <bigbill52a> the ati drivers loaded on mine from the info in the forums....
[03:49] <tga> james_: imho you don't even need scsi for a desktop
[03:50] <Curlydave> k i'm following the wiki, first steop going well
[03:50] <IIIEars> Can anyone. Please.... Help?
[03:50] <james_> tga, these are the sata models *oops*
[03:50] <bigbill52a> after trying three or four times lol
[03:50] <thr1ce> install fglrx, run sudo fglrxconfig, make sure you use externalagp, write the file to xorg.conf, make sure the keyboard driver is kbd, and restart X
[03:50] <bob2> IIIEars: if you wnat help with some random script you downloaded from the forums, ask whoever wrote it
[03:50] <nickrud> there's no reason why we can't start teaching with the basics
[03:51] <IIIEars> Ah - okay. - at least now i won't ask about "random scripts" - lol
[03:51] <IIIEars> Boy, It's tough using a new OS. - grin
[03:51] <Curlydave> ahhhh
[03:51] <Curlydave> errors
[03:52] <Curlydave> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:52] <Curlydave> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:52] <Curlydave> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[03:52] <Curlydave> david@amd64:~$
[03:52] <DefHandz> THATS THE ERROR I GET.
[03:52] <xvers> hey.. i want a command to run every time I start ubuntu, how can i do that?
[03:52] <DefHandz> Wow!
[03:52] <bigbill52a> the xserver sometimes crashes when using kde...i have little grey boxes on the screen..the keyboard also crashes so you cant exit xwindows....
[03:52] <Curlydave> hooray
[03:52] <nickrud> Curlydave, it told you what to do :)
[03:52] <bob2> Curlydave: so, comment out those broken lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:52] <k31th> guys i wanna startup my own computing support / consultants etc wat do you think of the name Zorox ?
[03:52] <bob2> xvers: what command?
[03:52] <Curlydave> hmm
[03:52] <bitsmash> is ratpoison good when you figure it out? when i ran xmms it was centredon screen
[03:52] <IIIEars> Marillat isn't really a good idea. :/
[03:53] <DefHandz> keith.. similar to clorox :p
[03:53] <Curlydave> this is like a puzzle
[03:53] <k31th> i need a company name thats decent
[03:53] <bob2> bitsmash: you will need to configure it carefully
[03:53] <bigbill52a> it does this with or without fglrx drivers installed
[03:53] <bitsmash> bob2: a config file?
[03:53] <xvers> bob2: its a command for my mouse to function properly, i usually run it from the terminal
[03:53] <bob2> Curlydave: well, a puzzle someone gave you the solution for
[03:53] <k31th> since i mainly want to do linux support i was thinking
[03:53] <bob2> xvers: and the command is...
[03:53] <Curlydave> :p
[03:53] <k31th> /dev/support/ ?
[03:53] <DefHandz> Heh.
[03:53] <xvers> bob2: xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5"
[03:53] <k31th> /usr/support/ ?
[03:53] <thr1ce> i'd make a simple text file, give it exec. perms, and place it in the init dir
[03:54] <thr1ce> and symlink it to your respective rd?
[03:54] <bob2> thr1ce: that won't help
[03:54] <thr1ce> why not?
[03:54] <bigbill52a> just advertize in your local shopper (you need a big enough city) and do in home repairs...seems to work...
[03:54] <bob2> thr1ce: it has to run as his/her user, after X starts
[03:54] <DefHandz> bigbill: always ;)
[03:54] <bob2> xvers: you can do that in the X config itself
[03:54] <thr1ce> oh right...X will override it?
[03:54] <Curlydave> i really appreicate the help guys, bob, nick especially
[03:54] <thr1ce> what about adding an option in the mouse section of xorg.conf?
[03:54] <Curlydave> i'm just kinda new to this
[03:54] <bob2> no, it just won't do anything at all
[03:54] <Curlydave> which lines do i need to uncomment?
[03:55] <bob2> adding the option to the X config is the way to go
[03:55] <xvers> how?
[03:55] <DefHandz> Dave, you and plenty others
[03:55] <DefHandz> :P
[03:55] <thr1ce> bob2, thought too much into it :(
[03:55] <DefHandz> I'm having trouble with sources.list crap too
[03:55] <DefHandz> :P
[03:55] <bob2> Curlydave: you need to comment out the marillat lines (add a # to the beginning of the line)
[03:55] <bob2> DefHandz: do that as well then
[03:55] <xvers> bob2: how?
[03:55] <DefHandz> bob: mmhm
[03:55] <Curlydave> marrilat?
[03:55] <DefHandz> bob: I have to replace the sources.list first, mine is all messed up..accidents.
[03:55] <jorgp> does ubuntu have like an unstable?
[03:56] <ice_1963> =)
[03:56] <thr1ce> jorgp, yes, but it's rather unstable atm lol
[03:56] <rixth> Breezy Badger
[03:56] <DefHandz> So bob2, all of that stuff that spits out that he got and I got is the stuff you have to comment out?
[03:56] <Curlydave> btw, i read something on a dif forum that had me run a command wher ei replaced all of hte ocntent in the lists file to get more packages or something
[03:56] <bob2> DefHandz: the bits refering to nerim.net, yes
[03:56] <DefHandz> Pssshhh, I could have used that earlier.
[03:56] <DefHandz> X_X
[03:56] <nickrud> Curlydave, marillat is a really grey area, you kinda want some stuff from there, but not most of what he has.
[03:56] <bob2> Curlydave: best to ignore the forums, especially if they tell you to do things you don't understand
[03:56] <xvers> bob2: how do i edit xconfig?
[03:57] <Curlydave> hmmm. k
[03:57] <bob2> xvers: I don't know what option you have to add
[03:57] <jorgp> thr1ce: is there like a mini netinstall iso or something?
[03:57] <Curlydave> thanks
[03:57] <DefHandz> I've been trying to install Cedega, then I had troubles with something called libpng3, and installing that - it wouldnt find it! - didnt work...so I was left with this thing called sources.list on my lap.
[03:57] <nickrud> libdvdcss, and realplayer-nonfree, are good, but the rest ...
[03:57] <DefHandz> >:O
[03:57] <thr1ce> jorgp, nope; in your sources.list, you simply change everything from hoary to breezy
[03:57] <DefHandz> repositories...
[03:57] <xvers> bob2: but can i make the command run at every boot?
[03:57] <thr1ce> jorgp, buut, i'd wait a little bit...it just hit a bad font problem
[03:57] <bob2> xvers: you don't want it to run at boot
[03:57] <Curlydave> so if i run "apt-get update" my problem will go away?
[03:57] <bob2> xvers: you want it to run when X is starting up
[03:58] <bob2> Curlydave: should do
[03:58] <thr1ce> xvers, if you add it to your xorg.conf, it'll go when X/gdm starts
[03:58] <nickrud> Curlydave, that error, most likely\
[03:58] <Curlydave> that gives me two new errors:
[03:58] <jorgp> thr1ce: well, I wanted to get something installed, using debian sid right now
[03:58] <Curlydave> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[03:58] <Curlydave> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[03:58] <bob2> Curlydave: sudo apt-get update
[03:58] <thr1ce> jorgp, i see
[03:58] <bob2> that error is because you didn't use sudo
[03:58] <Curlydave> ohhhhhhhhhhh
[03:58] <bitsmash> when you go for a haircut is there a style description code they go buy, like 132=buzzcut? ill have a 134=not too long on the top
[03:58] <Curlydave> ty!
[03:58] <Curlydave> that did it!
[03:58] <xvers> bob2: but i run it every time i boot, cant i make it do that automatically?
[03:58] <DefHandz> What is breezy?
[03:59] <bob2> xvers: no, you're not running it at boot
[03:59] <thr1ce> the pre-release
[03:59] <bob2> DefHandz: the development version of ubuntu
[03:59] <bob2> please don't use it
[03:59] <DefHandz> Ohh
[03:59] <DefHandz> I wont :P
[03:59] <nickrud> marillat provides a great service, I wish I knew him
[03:59] <Curlydave> oy nvm
[03:59] <Curlydave> the get_update worked, but it's still giving me the same error when i do the first stepj on th ewiki
[03:59] <bob2> xvers: put that line in a script in ~/bin/, then go to system -> preferences -> session, and add it to your session
[03:59] <count0nz> Breezy Badger screens
[03:59] <count0nz> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=342&slide=27&title=ubuntu+linux+5.10+colony+1+breezy+badger+screenshots
[03:59] <xvers> bob2: ok, ill try, thanks
[04:00] <DefHandz> :O count0nz it = prrreeeetyy
[04:00] <DefHandz> :-
[04:00] <DefHandz> :P
[04:00] <bob2> Curlydave: show us what you ran and what it outputted
[04:00] <count0nz> :P
[04:00] <count0nz> DefHandz, :)
[04:00] <bob2> ideally in #flood
[04:00] <DefHandz> But its Gnome X_X
[04:00] <bob2> wow, it looks identical to hoary
[04:00] <DefHandz> Heh.
[04:00] <DefHandz> I use KDE
[04:01] <Tezkah> xfce for hooray
[04:01] <Curlydave> log flood coming...
[04:01] <^thehatsrule^> flux  more even more :P
[04:01] <Curlydave> i appologize in advance
[04:01] <bob2> #flood
[04:01] <Curlydave> david@amd64:~$ sudo apt-get update
[04:01] <Curlydave> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release.gpg [189B] 
[04:01] <Curlydave> Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release.gpg [189B] 
[04:01] <Curlydave> Get:3 http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release.gpg [189B] 
[04:01] <Curlydave> Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release.gpg [189B] 
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release
[04:01] <crimsun> please don't flood here
[04:01] <bob2> please
[04:01] <Curlydave> Get:5 http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release [16.9kB] 
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release
[04:01] <bitsmash> hahaha ask your haircutter for a pre shampoo #64 light gel
[04:01] <Curlydave> Get:6 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release [16.8kB] 
[04:01] <bob2> come on dude
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages
[04:01] <Quest-Master> lol
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Sources
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release.gpg
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[04:01] <DefHandz> .....
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/restricted Packages
[04:01] <LinuxJones> Curlydave,  wtf ?
[04:01] <bitsmash> a website with haircut description codes lol
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Sources
[04:01] <nali0th> bob2 once you start, it's hard to stop LOL
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/restricted Sources
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/universe Packages
[04:01] <thr1ce> stop
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/universe Sources
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release.gpg
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Sources
[04:01] <LinuxJones> kick please
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release.gpg
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Sources
[04:01] <thr1ce> someone kick him
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[04:01] <^thehatsrule^> guess its only a ignore
[04:01] <Curlydave> Get:7 ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release [1348B] 
[04:02] <DefHandz> Gahhh
[04:02] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Sources
[04:02] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Packages
[04:02] <bob2> oh, stop whinging
[04:02] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/restricted Packages
[04:02] <nali0th> DefHandz: did you get yourself fixed up?
[04:02] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Sources
[04:02] <Xgates> never thought I'd mess with 2.6.11x hehe
[04:02] <bitsmash> inform flooder! inform!
[04:02] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/restricted Sources
[04:02] <Curlydave> Get:8 ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release [2528B] 
[04:02] <Xgates> but .10 dont run all that hot either
[04:02] <Curlydave> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release
[04:02] <Quest-Master> Curlydave! Stop!
[04:02] <Curlydave> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable/main Packages
[04:02] <Jormundgand> You lot don't understand. He's already hit Ctrl-V and pressed Enter. He can't stop a thing.
[04:02] <LinuxJones> ty bob2 :)
[04:02] <Jormundgand> To him everything appeared instantaneously.
[04:02] <Xgates> LOL
[04:02] <DefHandz> nali0th, sort of. I was pointed to the sources.list site and i'll replace the one i have now with it
[04:02] <^thehatsrule^> he could if he killed his client i guess?
[04:02] <Jormundgand> IRC has no remote echo. The client echoes everything for you, so you don't get the lag others get.
[04:03] <crimsun> he's probably not using irssi ;)
[04:03] <DefHandz> Hopefully it will work
[04:03] <Hackmo> ok all, got a new problem
[04:03] <DefHandz> I cant do it until Wednesday
[04:03] <Hackmo> I just some how messed up my sound
[04:03] <jamminpotato> what does everyone here use as tehre  linux music player of choice?
[04:03] <bob2> Curlydave: ok, seriously, don't do that again
[04:03] <bob2> Curlydave: #flood
[04:03] <Hackmo> jamminpotato: xmms
[04:03] <bob2> Curlydave: also, you didn't do what I told you to
[04:03] <nali0th> DefHandz: more repos? can you post the URL? i always interested in new repos
[04:03] <bob2> the marillat lines are not commented out
[04:03] <DefHandz> Er..
[04:03] <DefHandz> Ok.
[04:04] <DefHandz> I think its just a normal one
[04:04] <DefHandz> http://ubuntuguide.org/sample/sources.list_extrarepositories
[04:04] <DefHandz> O_o
[04:04] <nali0th> DefHandz: ah
[04:04] <Hackmo> What's the command do configure alsa?
[04:04] <DefHandz> That guy I was talking to messed me up, i didnt know what I was changing...
[04:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> my audio latency is 1.33ms
[04:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> yay
[04:04] <DefHandz> He was all wrong...
[04:04] <crimsun> Hackmo: what issues are you having with alsa
[04:04] <DefHandz> -_-
[04:05] <DefHandz> I also dont understand what repositories DO.
[04:05] <Hackmo> crimsun: I don't know if the issue is with alsa, I just restarted my computer and now no sound will play
[04:05] <crimsun> Hackmo: what sound chipset(s)?
[04:05] <nickrud> DefHandz, repositories are where trusted people put software you can use.
[04:05] <Hackmo> crimsun: and when I try to play a song in xmms it says that I should check that my I should check that I have the correct output plugin selected
[04:05] <DefHandz> Ohhh...
[04:05] <nali0th> DefHandz: yes, reading the wiki and the guide are good first steps
[04:05] <jorgp> is there a mini install, I am dialup and dont really want to download 500Meg
[04:05] <DefHandz> Heh
[04:06] <thr1ce> Hackmo, under sound plugins, try using esd
[04:06] <Hackmo> crimsun: it's onboard sound on my abit motherboard
[04:06] <thr1ce> jorgp, shipit.ubuntu.com
[04:06] <nickrud> DefHandz, yeah, it's pretty cool. over all
[04:06] <LinuxJones> jorgp, you can get Ubuntu cd's sent to you for free :)\
[04:06] <Curlydave> thank you very much bob for the help
[04:06] <DefHandz> nali0th, if Cedega works, and I get Steam working, what should I do? What do I do with Kubuntu?
[04:06] <DefHandz> XD
[04:06] <Curlydave> i found the lines and commented them, now at the reboot step...
[04:06] <DefHandz> What do you suggest installing
[04:06] <crimsun> Hackmo: snd-intel8x0?
[04:06] <jorgp> thr1ce: I did that, 4-6 weeks :(
[04:06] <bitsmash> does nvidia nf2 onboard sound work these days?
[04:06] <crimsun> Hackmo: what's the lspci -v line?
[04:06] <nali0th> DefHandz: kubuntu? enjoy it
[04:06] <DefHandz> I want Mozilla Firefox and Firebird again, obviously...
[04:06] <crimsun> bitsmash: it has for some time.
[04:07] <DefHandz> I just dont know what Linux offers.
[04:07] <DefHandz> For programs I mean
[04:07] <thr1ce> jorgp, find a friend with cable and a cd burner...dunno what to say; 500 mb is small for a distro
[04:07] <jorgp> LinuxJones: I ordered the cd's the FAQ said to expect 4-6 weeks
[04:07] <Hackmo> crimsun: a lot comes up when I do that command
[04:07] <crimsun> Hackmo: yes, I only need the multimedia line pertaining to audio
[04:07] <LinuxJones> jorgp, it will probably take that long to install Ubuntu over dialup :D
[04:07] <nali0th> DefHandz: with the exceptions of some windows games, linux has everything that windows does
[04:07] <DefHandz> Hehe
[04:07] <DefHandz> Figured
[04:08] <DefHandz> The only thing I find different is installing programs. I dont understand the file system that much either...
[04:08] <DefHandz> Ext3
[04:08] <DefHandz> and swap
[04:08] <DefHandz> O_O
[04:08] <thr1ce> linux uses memory much differnetly
[04:08] <nali0th> DefHandz: if you open synaptic, you can spend quite a bit of time searchinga and browsing all the available software
[04:08] <DefHandz> Hm..
[04:08] <bob2> DefHandz: ex3 is a type of filesystem, like ntfs or fat32.
[04:08] <thr1ce> the reason it can run for days/weeks/months without being rebooted
[04:08] <DefHandz> I know that, I meant what is it :P
[04:08] <bob2> it's ext3.
[04:09] <biovore> he having drive shock, not c:\ or a:\
[04:09] <thr1ce> that's like asking what ntfs is
[04:09] <DefHandz> XD
[04:09] <jorgp> LinuxJones: well, I am downloading the install cd now via jigdo
[04:09] <DefHandz> Exactly biovore.
[04:09] <nali0th> DefHandz: "EXTended filesystem number 3"
[04:09] <bob2> unix doesn't do drives
[04:09] <DefHandz> I'm all "oh my god..I have to mount stuff?"
[04:09] <biovore> that how everyone to the unix world is like
[04:09] <IIIEars> DefHandz - synaptic is a grea thing one click install. "sudo dpkg -i your_app_name" handles the rest
[04:09] <biovore> in VMS it get even more wacky
[04:09] <DefHandz> Aw man...I wish I had known about Synaptic
[04:10] <waseem> how do you play dvd's?
[04:10] <`psycho> does anyone here know how to work with webmin?
[04:10] <Hackmo> crimsun: check your pm
[04:10] <crimsun> Hackmo: I have none.
[04:10] <bob2> waseem: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:10] <biovore> waseem look at mplayerhq.hu or google for xine
[04:10] <DefHandz> Heh. I also noticed that I can watch videos without it being slow. Windows always had a delay between the sound and video, especially because my pc is slow...
[04:10] <DefHandz> But, it runs them faster.
[04:10] <DefHandz> :P
[04:11] <Hackmo> crimsun: sorry, I spelled your name wrong, check again
[04:11] <crimsun> Hackmo: ok, so snd-via82xx
[04:11] <DefHandz> Overall, I love Linux
[04:11] <DefHandz> :0
[04:11] <crimsun> Hackmo: lsmod|grep snd_via82xx
[04:11] <IIIEars> DefHandz, - Linux doesn't need as many intrusive "life support" apps anti virus, registry monitor, etc.
[04:12] <crimsun> Hackmo: use #flood for pastes
[04:12] <LinuxJones> jorgp, thankfully there are not many changes from the Hoary release date till now, probably under 15 megs since the original release.
[04:12] <DefHandz> What about paste-bin?
[04:12] <nali0th> DefHandz: also, linux is coded for ALL the features the the CPU offer, not just a half-assed "it boots, ship it" attitude like m$
[04:13] <nickrud> pastebin is dead at the moment, can someone suggest an alternative?
[04:13] <bob2> going to a website is more annoying for people helping you than just switching irc windows
[04:13] <DefHandz> No it isnt
[04:13] <DefHandz> O_o
[04:13] <Curlydave> k another question about TI driver installation
[04:13] <DefHandz> Pastebin is working fine.
[04:13] <finn> anyone know if there's an easy way to automatically start a second login screen on alt-f7... like when you go new-login from the apps/system tools menu, except without having to do it every time
[04:13] <IIIEars> DefHandz, - Ubuntu is the best linux out there i have tried more than a dozen. - excellent sup-port here also if you have any questions.
[04:13] <Curlydave> on step 3
[04:13] <E0x> hello
[04:13] <DefHandz> Ears, I've noticed that :P You guys give great support.
[04:13] <LinuxJones> nickrud, pastebin.ca
[04:13] <bob_> how do I add an application like Python to the popup menu?  Is there a program that does that?
[04:13] <DefHandz> I'm enjoying learning this, especially since i've been force fed Windows my whole life.
[04:13] <DefHandz> -_-
[04:13] <nickrud> LinuxJones, thanks
[04:13] <Hackmo> crimsun: check #flood
[04:14] <jorgp> LinuxJones: thats good
[04:14] <E0x> 2 question , #1 how i can make mplayer the default player , #2 mplayer-custom dont have gui enable ?
[04:14] <DefHandz> Cisco NetAcad this year, all about WIndows. Of course ;)
[04:14] <E0x> thx
[04:14] <IIIEars> DefHandz, - Welcome to Ubuntu! :)
[04:14] <DefHandz> :)
[04:14] <LinuxJones> jorgp, since your on dialup, that's gold :)
[04:14] <crimsun> Hackmo: looks good. Now paste the output of ,,amixer'' onto http://pastebin.com
[04:14] <DefHandz> Proud to be part of teh community
[04:14] <IIIEars> << -- less than a month using Ubuntu.
[04:15] <DefHandz> Hm.
[04:15] <LinuxJones> DefHandz, glad to have another convert :)
[04:15] <DefHandz> Hehe.
[04:15] <DefHandz> I'm normally DefHand on freenode, but I lost my password here.
[04:15] <thr1ce> DefHandz, this is freenode
[04:15] <thr1ce> lol
[04:15] <rushmore> ??
[04:15] <DefHandz> I know :P
[04:15] <Hackmo> crimsun: ok, http://pastebin.com/287726
[04:15] <DefHandz> You know what I meant, I hope X_X
[04:15] <rushmore> 0.0
[04:16] <DefHandz> Hm...
[04:16] <rushmore> hehe
[04:16] <DefHandz> How well does Cedega run?
[04:16] <rushmore> call bob
[04:16] <IIIEars> DefHands - Can you mask your IP?
[04:17] <E0x> DefHandz: work fine here
[04:17] <DefHandz> I'm not sure.
[04:17] <DefHandz> :P
[04:17] <DefHandz> I;ve never tried
[04:17] <IIIEars> lol
[04:17] <DefHandz> It'd be nice though.
[04:17] <thr1ce> i only play et and ut2k4, which are both native on linux
[04:17] <rushmore> buy vmware
[04:17] <DefHandz> Heh.
[04:17] <DefHandz> vmware ...tried it, its ok.
[04:17] <rushmore> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[04:17] <Curlydave> k, i think i installed the driver
[04:17] <DefHandz> Think ;)
[04:18] <DefHandz> k31th, name it "Think"
[04:18] <DefHandz> O_o
[04:18] <E0x> i play hl2 with point2play+cedega
[04:18] <IIIEars> #linux is filled with people using Helix and the knoppix haxor edition - makes me a bit nervous.
[04:18] <E0x> and work
[04:18] <DefHandz> O_o
[04:18] <DefHandz> Knoppix was ok
[04:18] <DefHandz> For a Live CD.
[04:18] <Curlydave> i still can't raise my resolution :(
[04:18] <rushmore> e a s y ?
[04:18] <DefHandz> :P I used it off and on.
[04:18] <crimsun> Hackmo: you must have a usb headset or something attached
[04:18] <crimsun> Hackmo: cat /proc/asound/cards -> #flood
[04:18] <eSCHEn> Hi, I've just installed Ubuntu and I must it was great, much easier than other distros I've tried :)  I'm having a couple of problems however and I was wondering if anybody could possibly point me in the right direction.  I installed the fglrx drivers for my Radeon 9000 so I could get the TV-OUT working but I don't seem to be able to find anywhere to change the output to PAL/NTSC etc.  The other problem is that my second hard drive on the sec
[04:18] <eSCHEn> ondary slave channel refuses to mount, it's there in the device manager but just calling 'mount' doesn't list it.  If I try to mount it, it just complains that the device is busy all the time, any ideas?
[04:18] <Curlydave> and i didnt' even use the driver on the ati site...
[04:18] <IIIEars> DefHandz, - the union file system is interesting.
[04:18] <eSCHEn> Whoops, sorry for mega post there
[04:18] <Curlydave> eSCHEn-welcome to the club
[04:18] <DefHandz> ufs? where?
[04:19] <DefHandz> Oh
[04:19] <Curlydave> i'm also fighting to install ati drivers
[04:19] <DefHandz> Heh, yeah Knoppix..
[04:19] <rushmore> nice flooding
[04:19] <IIIEars> DefHandz, - 3.8 knoppix
[04:19] <DefHandz> Hm..I dont know which one I used.
[04:19] <E0x>  ( sorry for repeat ) 2 question , #1 how i can make mplayer the default player , #2 mplayer-custom dont have gui enable ?
[04:19] <eSCHEn> Thankyou CurlyDave
[04:19] <DefHandz> I think i used 3.6
[04:19] <thr1ce> fglrx pack, run sudo fglrxconfig, make sure you use externalAGP, write to xorg.conf, restart x
[04:19] <DefHandz> I used to use Fedora..ouch X_X
[04:20] <bitsmash> when i do apt-get remove mutt it wants to remove ubuntu-base also...what is this
[04:21] <bob2> bitsmash: yes, because ubuntu-base Depends on mutt
[04:21] <IIIEars>  sudo fglrxconfig - nothing happens. Did i type it wrong?
[04:21] <thr1ce> no, you don't have fglrx installed then
[04:21] <IIIEars> Okay
[04:21] <crimsun> Hackmo: see above
[04:22] <thr1ce> search synaptic for fglrx
[04:22] <DefHandz> Alright, thanks all. Linux = fun, I guess. I'm sticking with it :P BYE
[04:22] <Curlydave> i still can't raise my resolution:/
[04:22] <bitsmash> bob2: : how come? mutt is a mail program no?
[04:22] <TriniTriggs> Curlydave: try 855resolution
[04:22] <jamminpotato> yay for long apt-get upgrade sessions
[04:22] <Curlydave> in terminal?
[04:22] <Jormundgand> One thing I found with Linux which I didn't have with Windows was the freedom to fiddle around, see what different options in config files did. Under Windows the install process was too lengthy and complicated, but under Ubuntu install is quick and painless and I can fiddle all I like.
[04:23] <TriniTriggs> CurlyDave: it should be available in Synaptic
[04:23] <bob_> Boa wrapper for wxPython?  is it easy to install?
[04:23] <TriniTriggs> CurlyDave: It's a program
[04:23] <LinuxJones> bob you want to install boa-constructor ?
[04:23] <bob_> trying to
[04:24] <LinuxJones> bob_, do you have universe repo enabled /
[04:24] <bob_> no,  you've lost me,  I'm a newb
[04:24] <TriniTriggs> hey, does anyone know where to find info re: reasons not to use Reiser?
[04:24] <bitsmash> whats the command to install X
[04:24] <LinuxJones> bob_, ok let me get a link for you 1 sec
[04:24] <bitsmash> apt-get install what
[04:25] <bob2> bitsmash: you already have X installed
[04:25] <Curlydave> TriniTriggs, how do you run synaptic?
[04:25] <bob2> bitsmash: ubuntu-base Depends on mutt because ubuntu-base is designed to provide a nice text unix system
[04:26] <bitsmash> bob2: how you know i have x installed?
[04:26] <LinuxJones> bob_, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToAccessTheUniverseRepository        after you follow the directions all you have to do is sudo apt-get install boa-constructor    :)
[04:26] <bob_> thanks much
[04:26] <darkaudit> Jormundgand: I like being able to see what's going on @ boot & shutdown in Linux... Strange that the interface expert Canonical hired sees that as a *negative*
[04:27] <LinuxJones> bob_, GL
[04:27] <bitsmash> bob2: server
[04:27] <bob_> boa wasnt on synaptic,  got it running on win32 machine tho
[04:27] <ubuntu> do the Airpot Cards in macs work?
[04:27] <bob2> bitsmash: install ubuntu-desktop then
[04:27] <ubuntu> airport*
[04:27] <bob2> ubuntu: yes, but airport extreme does not
[04:27] <ubuntu> dammit
[04:27] <ubuntu> why not?
[04:27] <LinuxJones> bob_, once you enable universe you will get like 11,000 more packages to choose from :)
[04:27] <Jormundgand> darkaudit: I'm in favour of the idea put forward where it displays a nice logo or something on tty1 and boot stuff on tty2 so if you need it it's there.
[04:28] <TriniTriggs> Curlydave: ubuntuguide.org <-- read the part about installing all the repositories.  Then click System > Administration > Synaptic.  From there, search for 855resolution, install, read the readmes, and Good Luck.
[04:28] <bob_> wow,  every time I turn around I'm more amazed at what is available
[04:29] <Jormundgand> On a general note, could anyone tell me the purpose of 3dwm? How do I get it working?
[04:29] <DefHandz> Will GAIM run on Kubuntu??
[04:29] <crimsun> DefHandz: yes
[04:29] <dr_willis> DefHandz,  runs fine for me
[04:29] <bob2> Jormundgand: it's just a silly window manager
[04:29] <DefHandz> Which version do you have?
[04:29] <bob2> Jormundgand: I don't think anyone actually uses it for more than the time it takes to say "geez, that's neat...in 1994"
[04:29] <nickrud> Jormundgand, last time I looked it was a proof of concept, I doubt it has changed
[04:29] <TriniTriggs> does anyone know if there's any reason not to use the ReiserFS or Reiser4 filesystems with Ubuntu?
[04:29] <dr_willis> 3dwm is one of those neat projects - thats still very much in a testing/exploration phase
[04:29] <TriniTriggs> I hear the Reisers perform better
[04:29] <bob2> TriniTriggs: just don't, use ext3
[04:30] <thr1ce> reiser works fine
[04:30] <bob2> TriniTriggs: it can perform a bit better in some spec ific workloads, but you will probably never notice
[04:30] <bitsmash> bob2: thats a lot of packages
[04:30] <DefHandz> dr_willis what version did you dl?
[04:30] <bob2> bitsmash: yes
[04:31] <LinuxJones> TriniTriggs, ext2/3 has been around for much longer and is more stable.
[04:31] <dr_willis> DefHandz,  apt-get  got whatever version was there. :P
[04:31] <TriniTriggs> ah
[04:31] <DefHandz> :P
[04:31] <TriniTriggs> k.  That's good enough
[04:31] <DefHandz> I mean..
[04:31] <DefHandz> What did you download?
[04:31] <DefHandz> O_o
[04:31] <Jormundgand> Wow. Best is real buggy. It just quit on me twice in a row.
[04:31] <dr_willis> DefHandz,  i am useing an older version from the messages that just poped up - 1.1.4 - latest version is 1.3.0
[04:31] <dr_willis> DefHandz,  it auto-checks the versions :P
[04:32] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: did you get my last message?
[04:32] <DefHandz> Im sorry, what did you download..meaning what linux was it meant for?
[04:32] <DefHandz> Any one?
[04:32] <dr_willis> DefHandz,  im just useing the older one thats in the apt-repositories. NOT the one from sourceforge
[04:32] <DefHandz> Ohh
[04:32] <DefHandz> Ok
[04:32] <nickrud> although, Jormundgand expocity and luminocity do have potential :)
[04:32] <DefHandz> Im off again then
[04:33] <DefHandz> Thanks for the help
[04:33] <Jormundgand> "Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: libgnomeui-2" Fun.
[04:33] <DefHandz> O_O
[04:33] <DefHandz> Fun fun :P
[04:33] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: yes
[04:33] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: (the ping in #flood, that is)
[04:33] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: did you paste /proc/asound/cards in #flood
[04:34] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: no, someone happened to my connection the last message I got from you was the one telling me to paste the output of grep|lsmod to a site
[04:35] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: ok, go ahead and paste that to #flood
[04:35] <dr_willis> Hmm a gaim "autopackage"
[04:35] <dr_willis> interesting
[04:36] <Curlydave> hey, does anyone know how to raise the screen resolution?
[04:36] <dr_willis> theres a gnome menu item to set the res now Curlydave
[04:36] <dr_willis> or edit the X config
[04:36] <Curlydave> oooooh
[04:37] <Curlydave> the menu option restricts me
[04:37] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: I got that on pastebin. I need /proc/asound/cards
[04:37] <Curlydave> hey can you remind me where hte xconfig is located?
[04:38] <crimsun> Curlydave: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:38] <Curlydave> ahy ty
[04:38] <Tritis> Hey all, i'm using breezy against the topics suggestion.   Has dmesg dissappeared?
[04:39] <Curlydave> well, i modified the 24 depth mode
[04:39] <Curlydave> and added 1280x1024
[04:39] <Curlydave> but the menu options are still the original 3 ;(
[04:39] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: i'm getting permision denied when I put "/proc/asound/cards" into a root terminal
[04:39] <dr_willis> Curlydave,  well #1 - BACKUP your working X onfig. :P
[04:40] <ilba7r> curlydave: how is breezy so far
[04:40] <LinuxJones> Curlydave, your horizontal and vertical refresh rates are probably not set correctly. What video card do you have ?
[04:40] <dr_willis> #2 after editing that file -  heed to restart the X server also.
[04:40] <nickrud> Curlydave, you'll probably need to alter the VertRefresh and HoriSync in xorg.conf
[04:40] <nickrud> *HorizSync
[04:40] <Curlydave> x800
[04:41] <crimsun> hannes_: yes, that's what I suspected: you have a usb headset plugged in, no?
[04:41] <crimsun> hannes_: sorry
[04:41] <Curlydave> 43-60 vert
[04:41] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: yes, that's what I suspected: you have a usb headset plugged in, no?
[04:41] <LinuxJones> Curlydave, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:41] <Curlydave> 28-51 horizontal
[04:41] <Curlydave> k
[04:41] <shiv> I really need help with my sound, plz help. I did all this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567&highlight=sound stil not working
[04:41] <nickrud> heh, LinuxJones I'll remember that one
[04:42] <LinuxJones> nickrud, it's new :)
[04:42] <nickrud> new is good :)
[04:42] <ivan> how do you stop console pc-speaker beeps
[04:43] <crimsun> shiv: what precisely?
[04:43] <LinuxJones> nickrud, we need a bot like 'apt' in #Debian to just tell folks about stuff like that :)
[04:43] <Curlydave> hmm
[04:43] <Curlydave> but i dont' know what to put them to
[04:43] <Curlydave> i shouldn't have to either...
[04:44] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: still alive?
[04:44] <ivan> to stop console beeps: echo set bell-style visible >> ~/.inputrc
[04:44] <nickrud> yeah, when I left a couple of weeks ago, one was in the works, but I was told it was kicked
[04:44] <LinuxJones> Curlydave, read on, it says to search google with your monitor make/model and it will tell you the numbers to add
[04:45] <Curlydave> k
[04:45] <Jormundgand> I wish Thunar were a working file manager. The UI they use rocks so much.
[04:45] <crimsun> Jormundgand: patience :)
[04:45] <nickrud> Thunar?
[04:45] <LinuxJones> Jormundgand, I have never heard of that
[04:45] <bob_> ok,  universe enabled via synaptic,  boa downloaded and installed,  now where would it be installed?  in etc?
[04:45] <crimsun> the new Xfce (but not just Xfce) file manager
[04:46] <Jormundgand> 'Twould be great to be able to remove Nautilus completely and use Thunar for file-related matters.
[04:46] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: yeah sorry i'm here
[04:46] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: see above question?
[04:46] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: I don't have a USB headset plugged in but I did earlier on
[04:46] <rj`> thunar is going to be nice -- isnt that devloped by the xfce guys?
[04:46] <bob_> i.e.  how do I run it?   newb question
[04:46] <LinuxJones> bob_, hit alt+F2 and start typing boa-constructor (it will auto complete for you)
[04:46] <nickrud> heh, I've watched nautilus go from eazel to today, so I'm overall impressed
[04:46] <rj`> oh -- i see your reply.
[04:46] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: but I unplugged it again when my speakers stopped working
[04:46] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: will you be booting with it plugged in at all?
[04:47] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: no
[04:47] <rj`> nickrud: its come a long way -- i remember eazel too.
[04:47] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: I suggest you use this: echo "options snd-usb-audio options=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[04:47] <nickrud> medusa to beagle, it's been a long road
[04:47] <rj`> hehe
[04:47] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: that way your usb headset, even if it's plugged in, won't interfere with your onboard functioning
[04:48] <rj`> i think the linux desktop is going to get really exciting in the nexct couple years.
[04:48] <mrXP> Hello I got a question... Mondo only runs on batch I can't add a short on a menu correct?
[04:48] <dr_willis> hmm.. ive been playing with 'autopackage' also just for the last 10 min.. its amazeing how well that worked.  Linux is improveing in soo many ways.. neat to see so many good ideas being worked on.
[04:48] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: sorry, that should be: echo "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[04:48] <bob_> so simple,  thanks for your help,  much appreciated LinuxJones
[04:48] <LinuxJones> rj`, it's exciting right now :)
[04:48] <borkdox> Hey
[04:48] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: I typed the first command before you corrected it, will it do any damage?
[04:48] <dr_willis> looking at Thunar  - also. :P but theres not much to see heh heh
[04:48] <LinuxJones> bob_, no problem dude have fun ;)
[04:48] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: no, just remove it from the bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[04:48] <rj`> LinuxJones: i think so -- but im talking about the opengl window managers etc
[04:49] <crimsun> shiv: need more information
[04:49] <LinuxJones> rj`, there is alot going on with that atm
[04:49] <bob_> I havent been so excited about trying a language since turbo pascal way back in 80,  this platform is amazing
[04:49] <H[a] ckmo> crimson: ok, done
[04:49] <rj`> LinuxJones: i know!
[04:49] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: should my sound work now?
[04:50] <rj`> bob_ what platform?
[04:50] <mrXP> Hello I got a question... Mondo only runs on batch I can't add a short on a menu correct?
[04:50] <bob_> apple2
[04:50] <nickrud> bob_, you should not show your age
[04:50] <nickrud> l0ol
[04:50] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: after you reboot
[04:50] <H[a] ckmo> ok thanks
[04:50] <H[a] ckmo> brb
[04:51] <bob_> I was solving pde's with it for my msc way back then,  it saved me a bundle of $$$
[04:51] <crimsun> pdes in turbo pascal? yeesh
[04:51] <crimsun> I'd have stuck to simple f77
[04:51] <bob_> compared with interpreted basic it was blazing fast
[04:51] <nickrud> bob_, so you can remember being able to read your baud rate :)
[04:51] <bob_> card reader kept eating the cards tho
[04:52] <bob_> or they'd fall on the floor and it would take half a day to reorganize the code
[04:52] <dr_willis> or a moth whoudl get in the system and you;d have to "debug" it :P
[04:53] <nickrud> lol, I used to send cards to a 360, and hope to get an output 2 or 3 days later
[04:53] <bob_> well,  not that bad,  but we upgraded the mainframe, added 5MB of ram ,  it came on a semi trailer and we loaded it thru the roof with a crane
[04:53] <rj`> http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/xorg/2004-November/004358.html
[04:53] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$ lsmod|grep snd
[04:53] <shiv> snd_atiixp_modem       15908  2
[04:53] <shiv> snd_atiixp             18596  0
[04:53] <shiv> snd_ac97_codec         64608  2 snd_atiixp_modem,snd_atiixp
[04:53] <shiv> snd_pcm_oss            47652  0
[04:53] <shiv> snd_mixer_oss          16768  2 snd_pcm_oss
[04:53] <shiv> snd_pcm                84872  4 snd_atiixp_modem,snd_atiixp,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
[04:53] <shiv> snd_timer              23300  1 snd_pcm
[04:53] <shiv> snd                    50276  9 snd_atiixp_modem,snd_atiixp,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[04:54] <shiv> soundcore               9824  2 snd
[04:54] <shiv> snd_page_alloc          9604  3 snd_atiixp_modem,snd_atiixp,snd_pcm
[04:54] <LinuxJones> ummm, shiv
[04:54] <crimsun> shiv: thanks, but next time please use #flood
[04:54] <crimsun> shiv: cat /proc/asound/version -> #flood
[04:54] <bob_> gotta try this snake language, tks for all your help
[04:55] <shiv> i did that
[04:56] <crimsun> shiv: you need a newer version of alsa-driver, for starters
[04:56] <crimsun> shiv: do you have the universe repo enabled?
[04:56] <sebas_1> nickrud i'm back but i had to use dpkg-recon....... again!
[04:56] <shiv> how do i do that
[04:57] <shiv> i don't know
[04:57] <crimsun> shiv: wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackages
[04:57] <tandy> i just nuked my mbr, can i boot into the system from the cd
[04:57] <Amaranth> bob_: Python? :)
[04:57] <krg> Kubuntu is nifty.
[04:57] <Amaranth> tandy: yes
[04:57] <Hackmo> crimsun: thanks a lot, it works fine now
[04:57] <crimsun> Hackmo: np
[04:57] <Hackmo> crimsun: before I go to bed would you be able to help me out with another problem i'm having?
[04:57] <Hackmo> crimsun: getting my webcam to work
[04:58] <crimsun> Hackmo: sorry, I'm not familiar with them
[04:58] <crimsun> Hackmo: someone else in the channel may know
[04:58] <tandy> Amaranth, i had done it once before, i type something at the boot: prompt right?
[04:58] <Hackmo> crimsun: ah ok then. i'll try asking again tomorow i'm going to go to sleep now
[04:58] <ilba7r> I am just wondering if it will not be risky to put other repositories from other debian based distros? for example mepis have seemless integration with realplayer, acrobat 7 and wincodec can not we just use that in ubuntu?
[04:58] <Amaranth> tandy: I don't know what, but yeah.
[04:58] <Hackmo> crimsun: again, thanks a lot for your help
[04:58] <crimsun> Hackmo: don't mention it :)
[04:59] <crimsun> ilba7r: it's strongly recommended that you stick with official ubuntu repositories.
[04:59] <crimsun> ilba7r: from time to time, external repos may break due to package dependencies
[04:59] <nickrud> sebas_1, work calls, wait one
[05:00] <ilba7r> crimsun : I am just saying it should not be this way. They all emerged from debian and most of the time they do not standardize
[05:00] <crimsun> ilba7r: it's difficult to synchronize them all
[05:01] <tandy> can someone tell me how i can boot into ubuntu on my hardrive form the cd becasue i nuked my mbr
[05:01] <ilba7r> crimsun : do not you think that at least they can use the same directory structure so you know where to look for stuff
[05:01] <ilba7r> tandy use rescue on the boot prompt
[05:02] <crimsun> tandy: pass the root= parameter on the grub boot line
[05:02] <crimsun> e.g., if your / partition is /dev/hda6, you'd say root=/dev/hda6
[05:03] <tandy> ahh thast it thanks crimsun
[05:03] <crimsun> ilba7r: FHS attempts to address that, but not all distros abide by that (or even make an effort to move in that direction)
[05:03] <crimsun> tandy: np
[05:03] <tandy> i couldnt remeb the command and im kindo f in a jam here to look it up
[05:03] <crimsun> shiv: let me know when you've set up that
[05:04] <tandy> had to use this stupid DDO becasue my bios cant recognize my new hardrive
[05:04] <ilba7r> crimsun : is it a policy due to the competition between distros?
[05:04] <shiv> i tried that
[05:05] <shiv> my menus seem to be changed am am not getting the exact instructions there
[05:05] <crimsun> ilba7r: I really don't know, though I hope not
[05:05] <rommer> is there a free alternative to dreamweaver?
[05:05] <ilba7r> crimsun : i am just we might reach a point where even upgrading the same distro will be risky
[05:05] <shiv> is there a way to check that by comad prompt
[05:05] <Curlydave> woot!!!!
[05:05] <Curlydave> i got it to run at 1280x1024
[05:05] <crimsun> shiv: in #flood, grep universe /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:05] <jamminpotato> rommer, trty mozilla nvu
[05:05] <jamminpotato> its prety good.
[05:06] <ilba7r> crimsun thanx for you input my friend chaw now
[05:06] <rommer> jamminpotato: ok thanks
[05:06] <crimsun> ciao
[05:06] <shiv> done
[05:06] <borkdox> can I install cedega -386 .deb into a amd64 ubuntu install?
[05:07] <bluefoxicy> sudo: dmesg: command not found
[05:07] <borkdox> dpkg: error processing cedega_4.3.2-1_i386.deb (--install):
[05:07] <borkdox>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[05:07] <nickrud> a billion bucks has got to worth something
[05:07] <crimsun> borkdox: only in a 32-bit chroot
[05:08] <borkdox> under gentoo it was possible for me to run 32bit execs without the chroot
[05:08] <qman> anyone fooled with wireless bridging here?
[05:08] <mattlins> Hi guys.  Can you tell me how to setup wireless on ubuntu?
[05:08] <crimsun> mattlins: presuming you have a supported wireless chipset, it should be automagic.
[05:09] <qman> mattlins: are you using WEP or WPA?
[05:09] <crimsun> borkdox: (yes, but this distro isn't Gentoo...)
[05:09] <mattlins> I have broadcom.  I think they are the unsupported
[05:09] <mattlins> no WEP or WPA
[05:09] <mattlins> unsecure
[05:09] <shiv> any luck?
[05:09] <shiv> crimsun?
[05:09] <qman> yeah broadcom sucks, no drivers
[05:09] <mattlins> I've got it going on fedora
[05:09] <crimsun> shiv: sec, I'm trying to do multiple things
[05:09] <mattlins> I can't remember how
[05:09] <crimsun> shiv: yes, it's enabled.
[05:09] <clay> probably with ndiswrapper
[05:09] <mattlins> driverloader or something
[05:10] <crimsun> shiv: now, sudo aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[05:10] <mattlins> i couldn't get ndiswrapper to work
[05:10] <borkdox> crimsun, it is still a linux kernel with a lot of Open Source software on top of it
[05:10] <mattlins> driverloader is a pay service with a free trial they were the only way
[05:10] <qman> mattlins: well if it ran on fedora it will run on ubuntu
[05:10] <crimsun> borkdox: granted, but there are multiple toolchain issues to be resolved.
[05:10] <qman> mattlins: u just have to duplicate the fedora setup....
[05:11] <mattlins> I was hoping to use something that didn't require a fee
[05:11] <crimsun> borkdox: it is being addressed and hopefully will make it into Breezy.
[05:11] <clay> you used driverloaded in fedora?
[05:11] <mattlins> Where are the network settings in ubuntu
[05:11] <clay> driverloader, even
[05:11] <qman> /etc/network
[05:11] <mattlins> clay: i think so
[05:11] <borkdox> crimsun, cool, tnx, i will look into the chroot then for now...
[05:12] <Curlydave> hey
[05:12] <Curlydave> does anyone know how to get dual-booting to work right?
[05:12] <shiv> plz see flood?
[05:12] <Curlydave> it doesn't for me
[05:12] <Curlydave> well linux boots but windows doens't
[05:12] <mattlins> i got dual booting working
[05:12] <bob2> you need to ask more specific questions
[05:12] <bob2> it should work out of the box
[05:12] <LiquidGUI> hey guys, I just have quick question and I will be on my way
[05:12] <Curlydave> i have to unplug the linux drive to get win dowrking
[05:12] <mattlins> Ultimate boot cd helped me
[05:12] <bob2> if it doen't for you, explain what doesn't work
[05:12] <Curlydave> your'e right
[05:13] <bob2> windows will be very unhappy if it's not the first disk
[05:13] <LiquidGUI> I just got an AMD64, can I still run an x86 version
[05:13] <bob2> LiquidGUI: yes
[05:13] <crimsun> shiv: you must have (an)other package manager[ frontend] s open
[05:13] <bluefoxicy> "since gparted can be a weapon of mass destruction only root can run it"
[05:13] <LiquidGUI> thanks bob2
[05:13] <crimsun> shiv: make sure you've closed Synaptic, dselect, etc.
[05:13] <Curlydave> hmmm
[05:13] <Curlydave> "Booting 'Microsoft WindowsXP Pro"
[05:13] <mattlins> Is there a GUI network settings in ubuntu?
[05:14] <Curlydave> root (hd1,0)
[05:14] <Curlydave> filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7
[05:14] <Curlydave> savedefauct, make active, chainloader +1
[05:14] <weazle>  morning
[05:14] <Curlydave> bob2 btw, you rock at the whoel helping out thing
[05:14] <LinuxJones> mattgirv, network-admin
[05:14] <Curlydave> now i'm infinitely better off than before with fixing hte hosts file, runnign at a decent res etc now
[05:15] <LinuxJones> mattlins, err sudo  network-admin
[05:15] <Curlydave> (after chainnloader +1, nothing happnes;no bot)
[05:15] <mattlins> ok found it
[05:15] <whyameye> every time I start XEmacs I get a window that says "(1) (xim-xlib/warning) Can't get fontset resource for Input Method" Any way I can avoid this?
[05:15] <mattlins> ubuntu is awesome
[05:15] <LinuxJones> mattlins, yes we are very happy :)
[05:16] <whyameye> I'm sure it is connected to an error that shows up in the console from which I run XEmacs: "Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
[05:16] <whyameye> Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
[05:16] <whyameye> "
[05:16] <mattlins> Is is the first distro of linux that right out of the box everything worked perfect
[05:16] <mattlins> 1280 x 800 res has been troubling me with fedora and mandriva, but ubuntu worked great
[05:16] <dr_willis> mattlins, yep i agree
[05:17] <Tezkah> similar experience here, I finally got everything working
[05:17] <Curlydave> haha you think fodera gave you guys problems
[05:17] <Tezkah> more of me actually trying
[05:17] <nickrud> heh, and screen res is one of the biggies, you luck dog.
[05:17] <dr_willis> Hmm. computer:///  -- anyone know of a 'list' of all the places such as computer:/// and so forth for gnome to access?
[05:17] <Curlydave> i may be bitching, but here I am in a comfy desktop environment wiht internet, irc, IM, music etc
[05:17] <Curlydave> Fedora for me... a grey screen and a mouse cursor
[05:17] <Curlydave> fun stuff
[05:18] <LinuxJones> dr_willis, on the panel hit Places :D
[05:18] <mattlins> fedora was better than mandriva however
[05:18] <mattlins> for me anyway
[05:18] <Curlydave> i might give fc4 a try whne it comes out, but fc3=garbage for me
[05:18] <Don__> Hi all, can anyone give me info to get online with warty live cd
[05:18] <Curlydave> wha'ts your connection type?
[05:18] <Don__> dialup
[05:18] <nickrud> hm, fonts:/// still works
[05:18] <clay> i found fc3 way too slow
[05:19] <crimsun> shiv: any progress?
[05:19] <dr_willis> LinuxJones,  Im thinking there is more then just those.. i thought i saw a few others once
[05:19] <Curlydave> ohh, not sure hwo to do dialup
[05:19] <mattlins> Is java preinstalled in ubuntu?
[05:19] <nickrud> preferences:/// doesn't anymore
[05:19] <Don__> driving me insane
[05:19] <Curlydave> i remember using a knoppix livecd and all i had to do was go to the menu and do set up pppoe
[05:19] <clay> and installing 1098238731 plugins drove me nuts
[05:19] <Curlydave> but th's for dsl
[05:19] <mattlins> doesn't look like it
[05:19] <dr_willis> nickrud,  aha thats one ive been trying to work :P
[05:19] <crimsun> mattlins: no. See wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:19] <Don__> all other live cds are easy
[05:19] <bhearsum> does hoary come with the Madwifi drivers
[05:19] <bhearsum> ?
[05:20] <mattlins> thanks crimsun
[05:20] <nickrud> dr_willis, maybe it'll come back, but I doubt it :)
[05:20] <crimsun> bhearsum: afaik, yes
[05:20] <Curlydave> does anyone knwo why my fonts look crappy aand undefined?
[05:20] <LinuxJones> dr_willis, there were some changes made my the devs I guess and some stuff like that got turf'd :(
[05:20] <leira> i've just installed ubuntu-hoary, i've never got the chance to set a root passwd, but when i su, it ask me theroot passwd~~~
[05:20] <LinuxJones> by*
[05:20] <bhearsum> leira: the root account is disabled by default
[05:20] <Marble2> leira: sudo passwd root
[05:20] <dr_willis> LinuxJones,  bummer. :O  i was thinking there was a samba:/// or smb:/// also
[05:20] <leira> then what passwd should i use?
[05:20] <nickrud> LinuxJones, dr_willis it's all part of the fun, isn't it :)
[05:20] <Marble2> leira: whatever you want your root pass to be...
[05:21] <Don__> can someone who knows how to get online live cd , pm me thnx
[05:21] <dr_willis> smb:/// works :P
[05:21] <Curlydave> hey, does anyone here know how to keep linux from read-onlying all of the system files or letting me edit htem without the console?
[05:21] <whyameye> Is it possible to print to a Printer connected to a Windows machine thru a network?
[05:21] <dr_willis> hay bhearsum
[05:21] <crimsun> Don__: you can just download it
[05:21] <LinuxJones> nickrud, it's like a puppy chasing his tail :)
[05:21] <crimsun> whyameye: yes.
[05:21] <bhearsum> dr_willis: how goes it?
[05:21] <dr_willis> whyameye,  yes it is.
[05:21] <nickrud> LinuxJones, no, it's owners a**
[05:21] <dr_willis> bhearsum,  ubuntuing up a storm :P
[05:21] <Don__> crimsun , i have cd
[05:21] <bhearsum> dr_willis: great
[05:21] <crimsun> Don__: Warty or Hoary?
[05:21] <whyameye> crimsun, dr_willis : how do I do it?
[05:21] <Don__> warty
[05:21] <crimsun> Don__: I recommend you try Hoary's livecd
[05:22] <leira> Marble2: it ask me to input the root passwd first!
[05:22] <shiv> its installed
[05:22] <shiv> now what do i do?
[05:22] <Marble2> ah
[05:22] <dr_willis> whyameye,  i fired up the cups printer config tool and with a few clicks set up the printer. :P took me 2 min perhaps.
[05:22] <Marble2> ///
[05:22] <Marble2> hm
[05:22] <nickrud> anyway, it's usually come back in a better form, so I'll be patient
[05:22] <Marble2> leira: try leaving it blank
[05:22] <crimsun> shiv: cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[05:22] <whyameye> dr_willis: okay, I'll try it now...
[05:22] <Don__> crimsun, Iuse Kanotix, just wantd to try live warty
[05:22] <Curlydave> alright, so how can I use mouse 4 and 5 in ubuntu?
[05:22] <leira> Marble2: tried, and failed
[05:22] <crimsun> shiv: then choose "no" for PnP, "yes" for debug, and the atiixp (not the atiixp modem, though!) driver
[05:22] <Marble2> Curlydave: what do you want them to do
[05:23] <leira> is there a default passwd for root thing?
[05:23] <Curlydave> foward and back
[05:23] <dr_willis> Curlydave,  I think i saw a howto on that in the ubuntu wiki's
[05:23] <Curlydave> ooh i'll check that out
[05:23] <crimsun> shiv: then, cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[05:23] <dr_willis> the wikis are VERY VERY good im finding in many areas
[05:23] <Marble2> leira: try the same password for your normal account
[05:23] <nickrud> leira, no, google ubuntu wiki rootsudo
[05:23] <Curlydave> k
[05:23] <Marble2> Curlydave: what type of mouse do you have
[05:23] <Marble2> if you have an mx500, the guide won't work
[05:24] <Don__> I think there are files missing in warty live cd for dial up
[05:24] <nickrud> leira, a shortcut if you don't mind
[05:24] <batma8> hey guys
[05:24] <shiv> oh no
[05:24] <shiv> i was too fast
[05:24] <shiv> I choose yes yes
[05:24] <whyameye> dr_willis: so do I hook up to the Windows network first? It's asking me for a host in the configuration tool....
[05:24] <dr_willis> whyameye,  you got the printer shared on the windows box allready?
[05:24] <crimsun> shiv: then just dpkg-reconfigure it
[05:24] <Laforge> Hey anyone know how to set up a ethernet config with a ADMtek card
[05:24] <leira> nickrud: googling
[05:24] <Curlydave> Marble2 it's a logi MX700
[05:24] <whyameye> dr_willis: yes. I've already shared it among windows machines...
[05:24] <sebas_1> batma8 are you using an automatic login command or so
[05:25] <Marble2> alright, try the guide
[05:25] <Marble2> leira: did you try using your normal user pass for the root pass?
[05:25] <batma8> hey guys..when i update software sources in synaptic. what do i type in instead of main restricted
[05:25] <sebas_1> batma8 you said hey guys a dozen times today
[05:25] <dr_willis> whyameye,  the cups config I think has some scan/browse feature that should find it. or enter the //workgroup/machinename/ its been a few mo since ive had to mess with it. :P
[05:25] <batma8> :)
[05:25] <batma8> sorry
[05:26] <shiv> see flood
[05:26] <leira> Marble2: u r right! done!  thank u!
[05:26] <Marble2> np
[05:26] <Marble2> you can set a root pass
[05:26] <Marble2> using sudo
[05:26] <sebas_1> batma8 don't worry my screen still looks ;alkjsdfhj npvqw8eou
[05:26] <batma8> haha
[05:26] <batma8> so about this synaptic dealy
[05:26] <batma8> the only one i want in there is cd ubuntu 5.04 right?
[05:26] <batma8> then im sposed to change something
[05:27] <batma8> but i cant member what
[05:27] <whyameye> dr_willis: are you talking about in Gnome system -> administration -> printing? There's no browse function there...
[05:27] <mattlins> Ok guys.  I am downloading the Java sdk.  I have an amd64.  The page has a ia64 download and a 586 download.  Is ia64 itanium or amd64?
[05:27] <crimsun> mattlins: itanium
[05:27] <crimsun> definitely not amd64
[05:27] <mattlins> thanks
[05:28] <Tezkah> okay, so I have a wireless interface
[05:28] <Tezkah> it gets an IP from the router with DHCP
[05:28] <count0nz> need more seeds for breezy-colony-1 :)
[05:28] <Laforge> ANyone know how to set up ethernet connection?
[05:28] <Tezkah> but it causes stalling when booting
[05:28] <nickrud> count0nz, only if it is post c++ :)
[05:28] <veritas> Does anyone know if I can run Shoutcast on my debian server if I can connect to it using SSH (It's a webhosting server)
[05:28] <fishie> wow people ask alot of questions in here.
[05:28] <count0nz> :) lol
[05:29] <count0nz> nickrud, i won't update it till after c++
[05:29] <usual> Can anyone suggest good fonts to use in gnome?
[05:29] <dr_willis> whyameye,  thers several cups interface's out there. I uysed that gnome one for my network printer :) i just saw it has the samba/windows printer config also. but no way to scan. so ya need the info to tell it.
[05:30] <dr_willis> whyameye,  ive seen others that actually can scan the network
[05:30] <gusto5> hello
[05:31] <gusto5> i have a question regarding printers
[05:31] <crimsun> metalsand: I recommend icecast2 instead
[05:31] <Tezkah> so does anyone know how to make my interface use the lease its been given (for an unlimited period of time,  think), but using the DHCP as a backup?
[05:32] <shiv> ok
[05:32] <super_dude2> Help my screen refreshes whenever i do somfing that creates a error??
[05:33] <bigfoot> Hi all, after downloading a package via synaptic, what is the best way to add it to the Gnome Menu? The only way I know is by "Run Command"-->menu-editor. Any better ways? How do you do it?
[05:33] <Arrogant> I have a rather interesting situation. I want to format the drive that has Ubuntu on it, which contains my bootloader, and let Windows take back over.
[05:33] <Arrogant> 'cause I'm switching computers and my parents want Windows back.
[05:34] <crimsun> Arrogant: is Windows still on the disk in another partition?
[05:34] <Arrogant> crimsun: Yes
[05:34] <Arrogant> Wait no,
[05:34] <Arrogant> another disk.
[05:34] <Arrogant> Two hard drives.
[05:34] <crimsun> Arrogant: you should be able to just reinstall the bootloader (ntloader.exe iirc) from within Windows
[05:34] <whyameye> dr_willis: okay thanks. I can figure it out from here.
[05:35] <gusto5> anyone would like to help with a printer question?
[05:35] <dr_willis> or boot the xp cd and use its rescue and fixmbr/fixboot options
[05:35] <Arrogant> dr_willis: Sounds easier.;
[05:36] <Arrogant> Okay, now to find a way to format the other drive.
[05:36] <Arrogant> I think I know how.
[05:36] <Arrogant> I'll use Ubuntu installer to format it to FAT32
[05:36] <TriniTriggs> how do I get Amarok to use the aRts engine?
[05:37] <TriniTriggs> it says something like "resource busy, will continue with null output"
[05:37] <toran> hey guys, my /etc/init.d/apache2 file got deleted (unintentionally). How can I get it back?
[05:37] <TriniTriggs> (I'm really interested in playing *.mpc)
[05:38] <crimsun> you can play musepack with a variety of tools
[05:38] <crimsun> xmms, beep-media-player, amarok, ...
[05:38] <bob2> I really doubt changing the amarok output module will change if ytou can play random proprietary formats or not
[05:38] <crimsun> even the cli decoder
[05:39] <TriniTriggs> I don't think mpc plays in Amarok unless you are using the aRts engine
[05:39] <TriniTriggs> or at least my gstreamer and xine don't play it'
[05:39] <crimsun> TriniTriggs: no, it's as bob2 says. You need the musepack plugin.
[05:39] <bob2> that's because gstreamer and xine are frontends, not backends
[05:39] <bob2> well, mostly
[05:40] <gusto5> i have a printer driver problem. will someone assist me?
[05:40] <bob2> nothing in main seems to be able to decode it
[05:40] <gusto5> for the 3rd time? :P
[05:40] <toran> hey guys, my /etc/init.d/apache2 file got deleted (unintentionally). How can I get it back?
[05:40] <bob2> gusto5: if no one here knows, try asking on the user list
[05:40] <gusto5> no one has even asnwered :P
[05:40] <toran> I tried apt-get remove apache 2, and then apt-get install apache2, but I still didn't get it back
[05:40] <bob2> toran: sudo dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2-common*.deb
[05:40] <nickrud> gusto5, if it's simple I might
[05:41] <gusto5> ok. i ran the ppd file through printer administration
[05:41] <toran> thanks bob2
[05:41] <gusto5> what command line do i use?
[05:41] <bob2> toran: but please be more careful in future, deleting files under /etc/ is always a bad idea
[05:41] <nickrud> gusto5, not enough detail already, which ppd, for which printer
[05:41] <batma8> is there a good ubuntu help site?
[05:41] <mattlins> I am trying to install the java sdk.  It is in a rpm file.  Do i just type rpm <java.rpm> or do I use arguments.  I remember type -ivh or something before.
[05:41] <gusto5> Okidata-OL600e-ljet2p.ppd
[05:41] <TriniTriggs> ok, thanks for the mpc advice
[05:41] <fishie> I just downloaded the hplip for my printer for sourceforge and am at the step where it says ./configure --prefix=/usr..i did that and then it says enter the command make. i get this "make: *** No rule to make target `install`, Stop
[05:41] <gusto5> nickrud, Okidata-OL600e-ljet2p.ppd that one
[05:41] <fishie> any ideas
[05:42] <gusto5> nickrud, connected to printer port
[05:42] <nickrud> gusto5, and where did you get it? so I don't have to look around
[05:42] <bob2> batma8: what do you mean? wiki.ubuntu.com has lots of good documentation
[05:42] <bob2> mattlins: use alien to convert it to a .deb
[05:42] <pepsi> why cant i use breezy yet?
[05:42] <gusto5> nickrud, got it form linux printing. you want url?
[05:42] <tga> mattlins: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[05:42] <crimsun> pepsi: oh you can, but you get to keep all the pieces.
[05:42] <bob2> pepsi: because it's broken and you won't know how to fix it
[05:42] <bob2> fishie: hplip - HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (hplip)
[05:42] <batma8> how do i edit my synaptic so it dloads all packages
[05:42] <gusto5> nickrud: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Okidata-OL600e
[05:42] <bob2> fishie: it's in ubuntu already, no need to compile it!
[05:43] <pepsi> crimsun, i get to keep all the pieces?
[05:43] <bob2> batma8: you can't install all packages
[05:43] <mavihap> turkiyeden kimse var mi ?
[05:43] <bob2> pepsi: it's broken, don't use it
[05:43] <crimsun> pepsi: see bob2's statement (broken->pieces)
[05:43] <nickrud> someone's got hplip woring in ubuntu !!!!!
[05:43] <bob2> pepsi: for instance, you can't login to breezy at the moment
[05:43] <fishie> the one in ubuntu doesn't have my printer supported
[05:43] <bob2> and X won't start
[05:43] <usual> how can I tell if gnome is using aa fonts
[05:43] <bob2> usual: it is
[05:43] <pepsi> ok
[05:43] <tga> usual: if you have to ask it is
[05:43] <pepsi> ill just install it on a nother hd
[05:43] <bob2> usual: unless you changed the font settings
[05:43] <usual> bob2, really? ok
[05:43] <psychonate|2> returned to human form in the nick of time with 2HP left
[05:44] <usual> tga, ?
[05:44] <tga> psychonate|2: nethack? :)
[05:44] <psychonate|2> well, trying
[05:44] <psychonate|2> I suck majorly
[05:44] <usual> they just don't look very good, maybe it's just me
[05:44] <psychonate|2> It's too hard trying to ID items
[05:44] <psychonate|2> sooo many things to know
[05:44] <nickrud> gusto5, wait a sec, I want to check something
[05:44] <tga> psychonate|2: drop them on an altar at least so you don't get cursed stuff
[05:44] <gusto5> nickrud, sure thing
[05:45] <TriniTriggs> hey, more questions about codecs/amarok.  How come *.flac plays with gstreamer, but not with the xine engine?
[05:45] <bob2> perhaps xine doesn't support it
[05:45] <psychonate|2> oh, wrong window
[05:45] <psychonate|2> no wonder you asked me if I was playing nethack lol
[05:46] <toran> bob2: hmm... the conf file for apache2 that that command made had almost nothing in it... how can I get the one that came when you first installed apache2?
[05:46] <nickrud> gusto5, i'm gonna back out on this, for one reason.
[05:46] <gusto5> nickrud, ok.... lol
[05:46] <nickrud> the ubuntu devs dumbed down the cup printer stuff too much, and it's too hard to add odd stuff to it
[05:47] <Tezkah> just like GNOME?
[05:47] <TriniTriggs> hey, I still can't get amarok to play *.mpc.  It sees them in the library, but when I try to add to the playlist, it says "some urls were not suitable for the playlist"
[05:47] <gusto5> nickrud, odd stuff?
[05:47] <crimsun> TriniTriggs: like I mentioned, you need to add the plugins.
[05:47] <bob2> toran: so, what else did you nuke under /etc?
[05:47] <toran> nothing
[05:47] <toran> I only removed the apache things
[05:47] <nickrud> odd stuff, meaning stuff that isn't in their packages
[05:48] <bob2> toran: so, you deleted other files from /etc/, not just /etc/init.d/apache2?
[05:48] <bigfoot> hello. How do you guys get your Gnome Menu to have/show packages that you have installed?
[05:48] <toran> bob2: I deleted that apache2 dir. and the apache2 init file. that is all
[05:48] <bob2> right
[05:48] <bob2> so, you need to tell us that, since it makes things more complicated to fix
[05:48] <nickrud> I really want hplip, because my printer works sooo much better with that, than hpoj, and I've been trying off and on
[05:48] <bob2> and again, don't ever delete things from under /etc :)
[05:49] <nickrud> to get it working using testing and unstable debian sources.
[05:49] <metalsand> ssh user@host.dreamhost.com <--- Does that host mean 'host' or my host?
[05:49] <gusto5> nickrud, whats the normal way to get a printer going?
[05:49] <bob2> metalsand: it means what it says, the machine called host.dreamhost.com
[05:49] <nickrud> gusto5, localhost:631, after you drop the ppd somewhere you can find it
[05:49] <toran> bob2: thank you for your patience with me, even after my own (completely stupid) actions
[05:49] <whyameye> bigfoot: go to system -> administration -> synaptic package manager. There's an option there to see installed packages
[05:50] <bob2> toran: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends apache2 apache2-mpm-worker ; sudo apt-get install apache2
[05:50] <bob2> toran: that should fix it
[05:50] <bigfoot> norm_, i meant: how can we have this installed packages show up in the Gnome Menu (the one with the Foot icon)?
[05:51] <whyameye> bigfoot: do you mean you installed a package and it isn't showing up on any of the menus?
[05:51] <DigitalFox[lap] > is there a way to get Ubuntu to probe for new devices (like a NIC) after installation?
[05:51] <bob2> DigitalFox[lap] : it will do that on boot
[05:51] <bob_> how do I add an application to the menu to launch it faster?
[05:51] <bob2> bob_: use the menu editor
[05:51] <nickrud> gusto5, sorry, I had the need to vent :)
[05:51] <bigfoot> whyameye, yes, exactly. Now some packages automatically add themselves to the Menu. Frozen Bubble for instance. But not many others.
[05:52] <toran> bob2: strange, the config is still the same
[05:52] <bob2> toran: which config?
[05:52] <toran> apache2/httpd.conf
[05:52] <bob2> (there's more than one)
[05:52] <bob2> yes, ignore that
[05:52] <toran> that's the one I'm interested in
[05:52] <toran> oh, ok
[05:52] <bob2> config is done in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf now
[05:52] <dr_willis> wowsers.. i moused over a .mp3 and the thing started playing it as a preview...
[05:52] <gusto5> nickrud, lol ok i got system->administration->printers to add the printer
[05:52] <dr_willis> when did it start doing that? :P
[05:52] <omniscient>  /join #qt
[05:52] <toran> bob2: that one is sparse too
[05:52] <omniscient> ;\
[05:53] <crimsun> omniscient: extra whitespace
[05:53] <nickrud> gusto5, I have no idea where you would put the ppd so that that gui will find the ppd
[05:53] <bob2> toran: wc -l /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[05:53] <dr_willis> Been nicer if it wasent a dirty PORN sound clip. :P
[05:53] <omniscient>  /
[05:53] <omniscient> i see
[05:53] <omniscient> :)
[05:53] <toran> 5 /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[05:53] <bob2> that is odd
[05:53] <bob2>     393 /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[05:54] <LinuxJones> night all
[05:54] <toran> bob2: is yours modified a lot? could I get started with it?
[05:54] <whyameye> bigfoot: I installed SMEG and I have it do the dirty work. That's something like Simple Menu Editor Gnome...
[05:54] <DigitalFox[lap] > bob2: it didn't pick up a new NIC
[05:54] <bob2> toran: it's the default
[05:54] <bob2> DigitalFox[lap] : how do you know?
[05:54] <whyameye> bigfoot: try http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[05:54] <toran> bob2: hmm... the other stuff seems to be there... could you put it into http://pastebin.ca?
[05:54] <DocGonzo> Hi, all.  Anybody happen to have (longshot..) a cx88xx based video capture card?
[05:54] <DigitalFox[lap] > there is no eth0
[05:54] <bob2> DigitalFox[lap] : it will detect it, but it won't do anything useful with it
[05:54] <bob2> DigitalFox[lap] : yes, you need to configure it to do something
[05:55] <DigitalFox[lap] > will it load the module up on it's own?
[05:55] <J35U5> anyone know about hp printer/scanners?
[05:55] <gusto5> nickrud you still there?
[05:55] <nickrud> gusto5, yeah, sorta
[05:55] <gusto5> what do i set as printer location lol
[05:55] <bob2> DigitalFox[lap] : if you just want it to do dhcp, then: echo -e "auto eth0\niface eth0 inet dhcp" | sudo tee -a /etc/network/interfaces
[05:55] <bigfoot> When I first boot up my computer, everything is running at a good speed. I have the System Monitor applet, and it looks good when it shows processor usage at 0%, aside from when I open a new program. But after a while, say an hour, it stays at 100% processor usage. This manifests itself in a slow computer (everything taking a long time to load). And even when I close all the programs I'm using (such as Fx, Xchat, Synaptic), the computer still run
[05:55] <bigfoot> s slow. Does anyone know what's going on, and how to solve this?
[05:55] <usual> My screen resolution is set to 1024x768 but the refresh rate is at 60, in this resolution it is capable of 100, how can I fix this?
[05:55] <DigitalFox[lap] > bob2: I know. But the hardware itself isn't being detected.
[05:55] <bob2> bigfoot: run top in a terminal and see what's using all the cpu
[05:55] <DocGonzo> @usual, what card?
[05:55] <DigitalFox[lap] > as in, ifconfig eth0  says there is no such device.
[05:56] <usual> DocGonzo, Geforce4
[05:56] <bob2> DigitalFox[lap] : dmesg | grep eth0, prints nothing?
[05:56] <gusto5> nickrud sorry to bother, but what exactly is URI
[05:56] <Tezkah> help, gentoo fans are talking about USE flags
[05:56] <DocGonzo> usual: You running their nvidia drivers?
[05:56] <usual> DocGonzo, I am now, but I also tried it without them
[05:56] <DigitalFox[lap] > bob2: this isn't my system, I'm helping someone via IM
[05:56] <DocGonzo> Ubuntu automatically set up X, right
[05:56] <DocGonzo> ?
[05:57] <bob2> DigitalFox[lap] : ask them then, or get them to come here or port to the list...
[05:57] <bob2> er, pot
[05:57] <Tezkah> no, ubuntu automagically set up X
[05:57] <usual> DocGonzo, pretty much, very minimal quesions in debconf
[05:57] <dr_willis> DocGonzo,  it should
[05:57] <whyameye> bigfoot: did you type <top> in the console to see what is draining the CPU?
[05:57] <nickrud> gusto5, I really don't know, that's the one of the few things I can name that debian unstable's eclectic philosophy is better than ubuntu's tightness.
[05:57] <bob2> toran: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rweir/apache2.conf
[05:57] <DocGonzo> Perhaps your monitor refresh rate isn't right.
[05:57] <gusto5> nickrud thanks anyway
[05:57] <bob2> toran: I suspect if that is screwed then other things are too, tho
[05:57] <usual> DocGonzo, I manually entered the correct rates
[05:57] <DocGonzo> usual: Hmm, I'm stumped then.
[05:57] <usual> according to my hardware specs on a website
[05:57] <toran> bob2: I think you're right
[05:58] <toran> wait
[05:58] <toran> no
[05:58] <toran> it started
[05:58] <usual> anyone happen to have a Dell Trinitron 21"?
[05:58] <usual> heh
[05:59] <Tezkah> hmm, my laptop fan isn't running
[05:59] <omniscient> when i install a package with apt-get how can i find how to run it? i just installed qt3-designer but that command doesnt exist, so i'm assuming it's called something else
[05:59] <usual> DocGonzo, heh, xorg.conf somehow went back to defaults
[05:59] <bob2> omniscient: dpkg -L qt3-designer | grep bin
[06:00] <Tritis> Anyone have problems ejecting audio cd's after ripping them?  I have to do sudo eject, then physically push the eject button on the drive.  If I click eject on the nautilus automounted icon I get an error message "eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument"
[06:00] <Pupeno> omniscient: it is `designer`, and you can expect to find it on the K-menu or do what bob2 says.
[06:00] <omniscient> thanks
[06:01] <toran> bob2: hey, where is the default documentroot?
[06:01] <metalsand> Does Ubuntu come default with OpenSSH?
[06:01] <crimsun> metalsand: the client, yes.
[06:01] <crimsun> metalsand: openssh-server needs to be installed if you want sshd
[06:01] <bob2> toran: /var/www/
[06:01] <metalsand> crimsun: Thanks, all I need to do is connect to a remote server
[06:01] <bob2> courtesy of mark in like 1994, I think
[06:01] <metalsand> I'm having problems, though
[06:01] <bob2> metalsand: if the problem was that openssh wasn't installed, that would be immediately obvious
[06:02] <metalsand> bob2: Okay, thanks
[06:02] <metalsand> Well, I enter my username@host.dreamhost.com
[06:02] <bob2> perhaps if you told us what was wrong?
[06:02] <metalsand> and it asks for a password, yet it isn't accepting it - I'm not sure if I'm entering my username correctly
[06:02] <shiv> GREAT CRIMSUN
[06:02] <shiv> U ARE A genius
[06:02] <shiv> thanks
[06:02] <shiv> I have sound
[06:03] <shiv> :)
[06:03] <bob2> metalsand: is username your actual username on that machine?
[06:03] <metalsand> no, metalsand is
[06:03] <bob2> so, ssh metalsand@host.dreamhost.com
[06:03] <metalsand> I don't need su access do I?
[06:03] <bob2> no
[06:03] <shiv> #flood
[06:04] <Brunellus> hi there.  stupid question:  when I shut a system down, does that get rid of whatever symlinks I've made?
[06:04] <bob2> no
[06:04] <bigfoot> bob2, whyameye, Question1. Is "top" in console is the same as Preferences-->Sessions-->Current Session Tab, or as System Tools-->system Monitor? Q2: What's the different b/w System Monitor and Sessions-->Current Session?  Q3 I just booted up my computer now, so my CPU is still processing rather well (pls see http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/287738 for current state). But maybe after an hour or so...
[06:05] <bob2> bigfoot: 1) no 2) don't know what "sessions->current session" is 3) wait, and run "top" in a terminal when you see the problem starting to manifest itself
[06:06] <Brunellus> bigfoot:  yeah, if you run top in a terminal
[06:06] <tga> bigfoot: that might be cron for you trying to do some things it missed while the machine was off
[06:06] <Brunellus> it'll tell you what process was taking up all your CPU/RAM
[06:06] <iamnow> hi
[06:06] <Brunellus> top is a neat tool like that :)
[06:06] <whyameye> so...what is the distinction people are making between <top> and system tools --> system monitor. One is graphical but other than that, are they basically the same?
[06:06] <nickrud> bigfoot, a good tool for seeing your system over time is the system monitor applet.
[06:06] <iamnow> hows w3m work? why is it included in server
[06:07] <Brunellus> gosh.  what's w3m?
[06:07] <bob2> iamnow: it's a web browser
[06:07] <geneo93> top eats more ram also
[06:07] <bob2> Brunellus: symlinks are just a type of file on your disk, they stay around like everything else on there
[06:07] <bob2> top does not eat more ram than a gnome app
[06:07] <iamnow> bob2: ok it works
[06:07] <nickrud> bigfoot, be sure to change to colors for each monitor to a strong contrast, so you can easily see each sub monitor
[06:07] <Brunellus> bob2:  OK.  weird.
[06:08] <iamnow> bob2: but the characters are messed
[06:08] <Brunellus> bob2:  I made a symlink between /dev/hdc and /dev/cdrom
[06:08] <iamnow> and the layout
[06:08] <Brunellus> and it was gone when the machine rebooted
[06:08] <Brunellus> bizarrely
[06:08] <bob2> Brunellus: ah, well, that's different
[06:08] <bob2> Brunellus: /dev is not on your hard disk, it's a special filesystem that gets created on the fly at boot time
[06:08] <Brunellus> bob2:  howso?  I'm intrigued now
[06:08] <Brunellus> ah!
[06:09] <bob2> you should get that symlink automatically, tho
[06:09] <Brunellus> so wait--in order to point /dev/cdrom to /dev/hdc, It'd have to be done on boot, right?
[06:09] <Brunellus> bob2:  that's the bizarre thing
[06:09] <batma8> anyone use graveman?
[06:09] <batma8> i get this msg
[06:09] <batma8> /usr/bin/mkisofs: No such file or directory. Invalid node - (null)
[06:09] <Brunellus> every since I upgraded from warty, I don't get that link.
[06:09] <bigfoot> tga, Q1: What's cron? Q2 My problem (slow-running comp) happens after 4 or 5 hours of usage.
[06:09] <Brunellus> the warty/hoary upgrade has been bumpier than me than seems really necessary
[06:10] <bob2> Brunellus: hm, the program in charge of making it is "udev", and has config files in (surprisingly) /etc/udev/...there's a couple that look cd-related, maybe try uncommenting the stuff in cdsymlinks?
[06:10] <bigfoot> Brunellus, you said "top is a neat tool like that". Like what?
[06:10] <Brunellus> bigfoot:  the process that's hogging most resources seems to float right to...uh...the top, I think
[06:11] <Brunellus> so, in my case, for instance, my number one culprit is Xorg, the Xwindows server
[06:11] <bigfoot> nickrud, I do have the system monitor applet on my panel. Actually, that's how I realized that my computer is running slow.... when it showed 100% processor usage.
[06:11] <nickrud> bigfoot, if it's a thing that creeps up on you, it's probalby a bottleneck somewhere, and it's usually iowait
[06:11] <tga> bigfoot: 1) man cron, take a look in /etc/cron.daily/
[06:12] <Brunellus> nickrud:  what's iowait?
[06:12] <tga> bigfoot: 2) it could still be cron, or some other problem.. run top when it happens and see who's using the cpu
[06:12] <nickrud> bigfoot, change the colors in the processor monitor, and watch it
[06:12] <nickrud> Brunellus, usually, it's excessive swap usage
[06:12] <bob2> Brunellus: it means programs are waiting for data to come from disk, usually
[06:12] <Brunellus> ah, yeah, been there, done that
[06:12] <Brunellus> the dead giveaway is the deathrattle of my hdd :P
[06:13] <splatteralus> So my mom gave me her Celeron laptop with NO cdrom and NO ethernet port... what should I do with it?  I'm bored.
[06:13] <Brunellus> whoa.  lots of death in that last sentence.
[06:13] <tga> splatteralus: does it have a floppy?
[06:13] <Brunellus> splatteralus:  net-boot?
[06:13] <splatteralus> yeah has a floppy
[06:13] <tga> Brunellus: no ethernet
[06:13] <tga> splatteralus: does it have usb?
[06:13] <splatteralus> and one usb port on the back
[06:14] <tga> splatteralus: get an usb ethernet adapter
[06:14] <Brunellus> h'mmmm.  splatteralus, does it have a PCMCIA slot?
[06:14] <bigfoot> geneo93, "top eats more ram" than which?
[06:14] <splatteralus> yah
[06:14] <tga> splatteralus: make that a pcmcia ethernet adapter
[06:14] <splatteralus> tga: Wish I had one :/
[06:14] <Brunellus> splatteralus:  dead cheap down at your local computer emporium
[06:14] <bigfoot> bob2, okay, i'll take your advice and run top again when problem manifests itself.
[06:14] <tga> splatteralus: get a wireless card of some sort (and a router)
[06:15] <tga> splatteralus: not much you can do with it without a nic
[06:15] <splatteralus> tga: heh true :/
[06:15] <Brunellus> my first priority on any computer is connectivity now
[06:15] <Brunellus> I ended up working like a bastard to get my wlan up and running on this box
[06:15] <tga> even a 386 can make a good ssh station if it has a nic
[06:16] <Brunellus> as a result, I know more about ndiswrapper than I thought I would have done it
[06:16] <Billgate> big foot is gunbound
[06:16] <splatteralus> Brunellus: Broadcom chipset?
[06:16] <splatteralus> I got mine to work, 64 bit even
[06:16] <bigfoot> I'm using Xchat. I would like to save the chat in a text file. How do I keep the nice color coding, etc?
[06:16] <Brunellus> probably.  i'm having to use the lsbcmnds.inf file
[06:16] <Brunellus> lspci won't even tell me what it is
[06:16] <Billgate> ubuntu is the most bad linux
[06:17] <Brunellus> bigfoot:  if you'd enabled logging in xchat, the text log would be in ~/.xchat somewhere, I think
[06:17] <splatteralus> I really have no use for this laptop I dont know why I wanna get it online
[06:17] <Brunellus> splatteralus:  because it's free hardware, and making stuff work is good?
[06:17] <iamnow> in w3m the characters are messed up: what could this be?
[06:17] <splatteralus> hah yea, becomes a hobby
[06:17] <Brunellus> I'd love a gift laptop like that, actually
[06:17] <Brunellus> something I could haul around and not worry about
[06:18] <Brunellus> plaster stickers all over it.  punkrock laptop, rah.
[06:18] <tga> splatteralus: that's alright, if you don't need it I'll be happy to get it off your hands :)
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> does someone know where to find info on getting dual monitors running in ubuntu?
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> breezy
[06:18] <splatteralus> haha, we'll see
[06:18] <iamnow> how do i copy and paste with keys?
[06:18] <tga> iamnow: in what app?
[06:18] <Brunellus> seriously.  oh, splatteralus: do you think you can boot the thing from the usb?
[06:19] <tga> Brunellus: very unlikely
[06:19] <iamnow> iamnow: i just have messed up characters in w3m
[06:19] <Billgate> i think everyone must know http://www.distrowatch.com
[06:19] <Brunellus> it's worth a shot, tga...
[06:19] <splatteralus> Brunellus: I have a 25 meg USB storage device.
[06:19] <nickrud> does the ldp xinerama howto still apply to xorg?
[06:19] <tga> splatteralus: get a pcmcia nic and boot off a debian floppy or something
[06:19] <Brunellus> splatteralus:  a 128 MB one should be pretty darn cheap, and you can put damnsmall linux or puppy linux on it
[06:19] <iamnow> tga: i wondered if i could copy some messed up characters here
[06:19] <Brunellus> and boot it from that.  that would be a neat trick!
[06:20] <splatteralus> can you network install with ubuntu?
[06:20] <Billgate> who know mac
[06:20] <bob2> splatteralus: yes
[06:20] <bob2> as long as the machine can tftp boot
[06:20] <Brunellus> splatteralus:  yeah, you can.  there's a wikipage to that effect, I think
[06:20] <splatteralus> Cool
[06:20] <nickrud> Kamping_Kaiser, I used that howto a couple of years ago, I think it still works
[06:20] <tga> splatteralus: your machine can't tftp boot
[06:20] <splatteralus> Lemme see if I can find a card lyinga round somewhere to make this work
[06:20] <Brunellus> good luck & godspeed, splatteralus
[06:20] <Brunellus> post about it on the forums.  should make for good reading
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok nickrun. is it on ubuntuguide?
[06:21] <splatteralus> haha, I think I can put a CD ROM drive in it actually, my dad has another crappy old dell laptop with a removable cd rom
[06:21] <Billgate> what is ubuntu
[06:21] <iamnow> what are locales...why does this w3m browser have messed up characters? like small a's with little arrows on top with blocks inbetween repeated and all messy
[06:21] <neofax> Hello everyone!
[06:21] <tga> splatteralus: are they both dells?
[06:21] <splatteralus> tga: yah
[06:21] <nickrud> Kamping_Kaiser, I have no Idea, but googling ldp xinerama howto should be the first link
[06:21] <_seth> mplayer is telling me failed to open vcd://2. Why?
[06:21] <tga> splatteralus: that would help
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok thanks nickrun
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> *nickrud
[06:21] <splatteralus> tga: I guess in that case I should just download the newest iso and burn it
[06:21] <neofax> Anyone know how to change the boot from 800x600 to 1024x768?
[06:22] <tga> splatteralus: yup
[06:22] <splatteralus> I dont even wanna put X on this thing
[06:22] <splatteralus> soo slow
[06:22] <Brunellus> _seth:  do you have the w32 codecs installed
[06:22] <nickrud> Kamping_Kaiser, it talks about xfree86, but the divergence at that level shouldn't matter
[06:22] <tga> splatteralus: be sure to do a 'server' install.. it will take X and a lightweight window manager
[06:22] <Brunellus> splatteralus:  with no X, it would be interesting
[06:22] <tga> splatteralus: just don't try to run gnome on it
[06:22] <_seth> Brunellus, yes.
[06:22] <splatteralus> tga: kde?
[06:23] <tga> splatteralus: no way
[06:23] <tga> splatteralus: openbox, windowmaker maybe
[06:23] <splatteralus> tga: ahh i hate those! :)
[06:23] <Brunellus> _seth:  will it play regular old datafiles from data-cds?
[06:23] <Brunellus> splatteralus:  fluxbox!
[06:23] <tga> splatteralus: windows 95 then
[06:23] <iamnow> messy console text in w3m what could be the problem?
[06:23] <batma8> what do you guys use to burn cds
[06:23] <tga> batma8: cdrecord
[06:24] <Brunellus> batma8: gnomebaker
[06:24] <nickrud> nautilus
[06:24] <tga> batma8: k3b is nice on X
[06:24] <batma8> thanks everyone
[06:24] <Brunellus> don't mention it
[06:26] <splatteralus> damn I found a PCMCIA NIC but I dont have the little plug to go into it :(
[06:26] <warpuck> I have a USB cdrom and I cant get Ubuntu to automount it when I put a cd in it mounts fine when I manualy mount it
[06:27] <geneo93> the dongle
[06:27] <warpuck> any one have any ideas?
[06:27] <_seth> Brunellus, it can play SVCD fine. A friend of mine ripped a VCD to an iso and uploaded it to my FTP. Mplayer won't see it though.
[06:27] <nickrud> warpuck, you should look on bugzilla.ubuntu.com for that, it's a bug
[06:27] <Brunellus> _seth.  weird.  Don't know what's going on then
[06:28] <Brunellus> splatteralus:  you don't have a dongle?
[06:28] <Brunellus> yucky.
[06:28] <Brunellus> if you're really fussed about it, you could try buying a new, dongle-less one...
[06:28] <Jazzy> hi
[06:29] <neofax> Anyone know how to change the consoles display size?
[06:29] <a_monkey> how do i find out the window class of file-roller?
[06:29] <Brunellus> hey bob2, about udev
[06:30] <_seth> Brunellus, if the contents of the CD are audio_ts and video_ts, that is VCD, right?
[06:30] <Brunellus> _seth:  I'm not sure.  I don't know enough about that format
[06:30] <jr_G-man> that's a dvd
[06:30] <macadamia> _seth dvd
[06:30] <_seth> Oh snap.
[06:31] <jr_G-man> vcd will have a 'mpeg' directory
[06:31] <Brunellus> bob2, about udev:  the cdrom-alias rules seem to be in order...
[06:31] <splatteralus> stupid dongle
[06:31] <jr_G-man> svcd's will have a mpeg2 directory
[06:31] <Brunellus> so I don't know why it isn't doing this at boot.
[06:32] <Brunellus> oh well.  yet another thing to read up about.  I probably won't take this system down for a while, so I'll just have to remember to get to it next time
[06:33] <DIgitalFox|sleep> is there a way to get ifconfig to list all interfaces, not just ones that are up?
[06:33] <nickrud> the eutopica  stack still need work  "_
[06:33] <iamnow> note to channel: w3m may require [o]  for options and then a charset change to fix messed up characters
[06:33] <jaysin> Hey Everyone!
[06:34] <Brunellus> h'lo jaysin
[06:34] <jaysin> I need a little help lmao
[06:34] <icebalm> omg some help rofl
[06:35] <jaysin> i just installed ubuntu today... how do i install yahoo messenger?
[06:35] <tga> jaysin: use gaim
[06:35] <Brunellus> jaysin:  you don't, is the short answer
[06:35] <ilba7r> use gaim
[06:35] <Brunellus> the longer answer is:  you use gaim to use the yahoo service
[06:35] <CCFIEL> hello ppl..
[06:36] <jaysin> how do i do that?
[06:36] <Brunellus> set up a user account w/in gaim, and you'll see the dialog for "protocol" or "service" or somesuch, and pull down to "yahoo"
[06:36] <tga> jaysin: you should already have gaim installed, look for it in the menu
[06:36] <ilba7r> from menu go under internet you will find it
[06:36] <Brunellus> jaysin:  it's under Internet in the main menu
[06:36] <ilba7r> or open a terminal and type gaim
[06:37] <Brunellus> ilba7r:  don't have him run stuff in the terminal.  if he can't find gaim, he won't be able to run the terminal....
[06:37] <jaysin> Sweetness! I'm all logged in!
[06:37] <ilba7r> brunellus : ok got your point
[06:37] <Brunellus> jaysin:  yup.  ain't life grand?
[06:37] <jaysin> thank you so much guys!
[06:37] <Brunellus> always a pleasure to help.
[06:37] <nalioth> l8r
[06:37] <jaysin> I'll probably be back soon :P
[06:38] <Brunellus> don't worry.  everybody is.
[06:38] <jaysin> lmao
[06:38] <Brunellus> there's always more to learn
[06:38] <CCFIEL> im in the middle of downloading ubuntu.. hope...it works..:)
[06:38] <Brunellus> it's actually quite addictive.
[06:38] <jaysin> have a good night :D
[06:38] <Brunellus> whew.  was it just me, or was that like a *kid*?
[06:38] <nickrud> the curve is an ever upward spiral
[06:38] <Xgates> anyone know whats with this ---> amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: no such file or directory
[06:38] <Xgates> * /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning : 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl:
[06:38] <icebalm> Brunellus: the intellect of one anyways
[06:39] <Brunellus> I gotta hand him some props for having the wits to try ubuntu out
[06:39] <tsheng> does anybody use a netgear wg311t wireless pci card?
[06:39] <icebalm> Brunellus: people like that should probably stick to windows
[06:39] <Brunellus> most kids don't know enough about their computers to even consider doing anything like that
[06:39] <nickrud> Brunellus, not to say getting a flood of answers, and getting it done :)
[06:39] <crimsun> Xgates: what sound chipste?
[06:39] <crimsun> -set
[06:39] <CCFIEL> is ther a way in gaim to automatically enter an irc channel..when ever i login?
[06:40] <Brunellus> icebalm:, nah, I'd rather they migrated
[06:40] <tga> CCFIEL: yes, use xchat for irc
[06:40] <Brunellus> if they come in honestly looking to learn instead of pitching tantrums, wel, that's nice.
[06:40] <Cybermagellan> Could someone prehaps help me figure out why my computer shutsdown randomly...without any prompts and with ACPI turned off?
[06:40] <CCFIEL> tga: another software?
[06:40] <Brunellus> although I'll confess to pitching the occasional tantrums when critical stuff wont' work
[06:40] <Xgates> crimsun: I'm using Audigy LS --> snd-ca0106
[06:40] <icebalm> Brunellus: bad precedent, people should atleast make an effort to learn on their own
[06:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> i see some kind of module called "fan" in lsmod.  can i control my fan speed?
[06:41] <crimsun> Xgates: 1.0.8 from universe's alsa-source, then?
[06:41] <jaysin> Told ya I'd be back
[06:41] <Xgates> crimsun: I had to recompile the kernel and take out alsa support and compile the alsa drivers
[06:41] <tga> CCFIEL: it comes already installed.. xchat is a decent irc client, gaim is more suited for instant messaging
[06:41] <Brunellus> wb jaysin
[06:41] <amonkey> is there a package i can get to make apache do asp content?
[06:41] <Brunellus> Xchat>gaim for IRC
[06:41] <crimsun> Xgates: you didn't need to recompile the kernel for that.
[06:41] <nickrud> icebalm, sometimes people don't know what they don't know, that's where teaching takes place
[06:41] <jaysin> What is the default SU password?
[06:41] <CCFIEL> tga: ic... so i need to run both of them.. :(
[06:42] <crimsun> Xgates: all the support is modularised so that you can avoid recompiling the kernel
[06:42] <tga> CCFIEL: is that such a big problem?
[06:42] <Brunellus> jaysin:  your user pass
[06:42] <jaysin> sweetness again :D
[06:42] <icebalm> jaysin: there isn't one, root is locked, your password is used for administration
[06:42] <Brunellus> $sudo COMMANDGOESHERE;  then you'll be prompted for your userpass
[06:42] <Xgates> crimsun: I compile been doing 5 years Im a Slack user ANYHOW you know anything about that amixer message?
[06:42] <Cybermagellan> anyone prehaps shed some light on why it's happening?
[06:42] <CCFIEL> tga: nope..i was thinking of integrating everything..:) are you using ubuntu linux now?
[06:42] <Brunellus> Cybermagellan:  how do you mean "shut down"
[06:42] <jaysin> "su: Authentication failure Sorry."
[06:42] <Brunellus> as in, switches runlevels and everything?
[06:43] <Brunellus> jaysin:  you don't switch users to su
[06:43] <Brunellus> you just use sudo
[06:43] <tga> CCFIEL: of course
[06:43] <Cybermagellan> Brunellus, no...it justs drops.
[06:43] <Brunellus> as in, zap, nothing?
[06:43] <Cybermagellan> Lights shut off...monitor turns off.
[06:43] <Cybermagellan> Yeah...
[06:43] <CCFIEL> tga: hehehhe..for how many months?
[06:43] <tga> CCFIEL: the unix way is to have apps do only one thing but do it well
[06:43] <crimsun> Xgates: (yes, I know you've used Slackware, but what I said is true regarding the Ubuntu kernel config.) I need more info, namely the version of ALSA and what you did.
[06:43] <Brunellus> umm, Cybermagellan, have you considered the possibility that your powersupply is fritzing out?
[06:43] <drummer87> tsheng, i have one (netgear wg311 v2) .. don't know about the 't' but it's a wireless pci
[06:43] <fallstorm> Or that the computer is overheating for some reason?
[06:44] <tga> CCFIEL: ubuntu? hard to tell, a couple of months before hoary came out
[06:44] <Cybermagellan> Well I did an experiment....Windows will run all day long.....Ubuntu shutsdown
[06:44] <Brunellus> that's really weird.
[06:44] <Cybermagellan> Yeah...
[06:44] <Cybermagellan> Just ....click. Off
[06:44] <tga> anyone here using an orinoco wifi card?
[06:44] <a_monkey> can anybody please tell me the command for finding the window class of something?
[06:44] <Cybermagellan> Is there anyway I can trap what happens...if anything?
[06:45] <a_monkey> an app?
[06:45] <CCFIEL> tga: ic...what is your previos OS...im planning to install ubuntu..im in the middle of downloading the iso..
[06:45] <tga> I get something like eth1: MAC controller error (WTERR). Ignoring. when doing samba transfers and the whole thing locks down
[06:45] <icebalm> a_monkey: the "window class"?
[06:45] <geneo93> warty did that to me
[06:45] <crimsun> a_monkey: xls{atom,client}s
[06:45] <Brunellus> my previous OS was SuSE 9.1 Personal.  It worked well enough, but I like ubuntu *much* more
[06:45] <Xgates> crimsun: alsa-source 1.0.8-4ubuntu4 --> ./configure --with-oss=yes  --with-cards=ca0106
[06:45] <a_monkey> crimsun: thx
[06:45] <tsheng> drummer87, do you use madwifi drivers, or ndiswrapper?
[06:45] <nalioth> still have a bit of a problem with firewire
[06:45] <nalioth> but it's NBW
[06:45] <tga> CCFIEL: I've been using linux for a while now, so ubuntu is hardly something new
[06:45] <linuxamoeba21> hi there. im trying to get DVD playback to work on a fresh install of hoary; totem tells me i haven't the codecs but i installed libdvdcss2
[06:46] <Xgates> crimsun: just PM to me any answers you have or found I have to run to the store BRB  ;-)
[06:46] <crimsun> Xgates: just ping me when you return, thanks
[06:46] <Xgates> crimsun: ok :-)
[06:46] <drummer87> tsheng, ndiswrapper.. the madwifi drivers are for the atheros chipset
[06:46] <Xgates> thanks
[06:46] <a_monkey> crimsun: how do i obtain xls?
[06:46] <crimsun> a_monkey: those apps are in the 'xbase-clients' package.
[06:47] <tsheng> drummer87: i believe the wg311t uses atheros ar5212
[06:47] <drummer87> tsheng, the wg311 has 2 versions.. the old one had the atheros chip, but the new ones have texas instruments
[06:47] <a_monkey> crimsun: i have it installed but i have no xls binaruy
[06:47] <a_monkey> crimsun: binary*
[06:47] <crimsun> a_monkey: the names of the apps are xlsatoms and xlsclients
[06:47] <Cybermagellan> I'm starting to wonder...this didn't start happening till...the temperature went up in my apartment.....I live in AZ so it was like 80 with the Air Conditioning on
[06:47] <a_monkey> crimsun: oh
[06:48] <tga> Cybermagellan: is this a laptop or a desktop?
[06:48] <drummer87> tsheng, is it new? or an older card.. if there is no 'v2' written on the card itself next to the wg311 then u should use the madwifi drivers
[06:48] <Cybermagellan> Desktop
[06:48] <bigbill52a> a lot of computers bite the dust in the summer here in yuma
[06:48] <tsheng> the madwifi drivers don't work
[06:48] <tsheng> i'm sure the card uses atheros
[06:48] <pablo928> Cybermagellan: what poart of AZ?  I'm in Yuma.
[06:48] <nalioth> Cybermagellan: alcohol drip.. ..right on the cpu cooler, heh
[06:48] <bigbill52a> same here yuma
[06:48] <Cybermagellan> Tucson...
[06:48] <bigbill52a> foothills
[06:49] <bigbill52a> we have chatted b4 pablo
[06:49] <pablo928> Cybermagellan:yeah, it was about 108 F here today
[06:49] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: any ideas on the dvd thing? (playback in totem doesnt work, but i installed libdvdcss2)
[06:49] <bigbill52a> a good day to burn cd's 108 F...literally
[06:49] <Cybermagellan> pablo928, yeah...same here....
[06:49] <linuxamoeba21> gah
[06:49] <pablo928> \] bigbill52a, how are you tonight/
[06:50] <bigbill52a> just fine pablo
[06:50] <Cybermagellan> And I live on a corner apartment....two outa 4 sides of my apartment are subjected to the sun all day
[06:50] <bigbill52a> nice and toasty
[06:50] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: you need a number of packages that should be outlined at wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:50] <nalioth> but it's a "dry" heat <snort>
[06:50] <bigbill52a> if you have a spot for an extra fan in your computer...i would buy one and install it
[06:50] <bigbill52a> so is an oven
[06:51] <tsheng> drummer87, lspci tells me it's an atheros ar5212
[06:51] <Cybermagellan> Yeah...I might just haveta do that
[06:51] <nalioth> you AZ users don't subscribe to the peltier sandwich?
[06:51] <Cybermagellan> ...?
[06:51] <drummer87> tsheng, i'm not sure how to get the wifi drivers working, sorry, but the ubuntu wiki lists that card as working out of the box..
[06:52] <nalioth> the lack of humidity out there should negate the condensation factor
[06:52] <bigbill52a> those small, compact computers are especially susceptible to heat....no place for a fan either
[06:52] <drummer87> that looks fine
[06:52] <drummer87> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiWithSomeoneElsesRouterHowTo  has some info about loading the atheros modules
[06:52] <Brunellus> go, and sin no more.
[06:52] <bigbill52a> we are already at the foothills of hell....
[06:52] <Madpilot> Cybermagellan: (and the other hot-weather folks) hve a look at this: http://www.gideontech.com/content/articles/180/1
[06:52] <tandy> anyone know how i can mount this hardrive that has Ontrack DM6 on it so i can access the data underl nux
[06:53] <tsheng> drummer87, thanks a lot... I've seen all of that, I think the problem is the version of the card I bought... will have to try NDIS
[06:53] <Madpilot> adding extra fans to a case is pretty straightforward.
[06:53] <tandy> the rest of it is formatted as fat 32
[06:53] <Brunellus> man.  I need to make big posters with stupid things on them, like basic bash commands and html tags
[06:53] <drummer87> tsheng, the device should be listed as ath0 under network interfaces (as opposed to wlan0)..
[06:53] <Brunellus> and post them up around this computer
[06:54] <Cybermagellan> Madpilot, yeah...I have to aquire a fan...I have a whole side off of my computer
[06:54] <drummer87> tsheng, NDIS shouldn't be too hard to set up.. went quite smoothly for me (slightly different card though)
[06:54] <Cybermagellan> I'm about to take the whole covers off
[06:54] <Madpilot> Cybermagellan: extra fans are pretty cheap (less than $20 USD for decent ones) and do make a difference...
[06:54] <bigbill52a> get some compressed air and blow the dust off the cpu fan with the plug pulled of course
[06:55] <nickrud> lol, postits are not a substitute for writing on your hand
[06:55] <bigbill52a> wall plug..that is
[06:55] <tsheng> the ath_pci and ath_hal work
[06:55] <tsheng> but ath0 gives me a HAL status 13 error
[06:55] <wasap> i used to use gentoo and im testin this out. is there a tmp dir that fills up with all the debs that download to install?
[06:55] <Cybermagellan> bigbill52a, yeah I have yet to do that...I just think it is wierd that Windows works fine :(
[06:55] <tsheng> which means it's not supported
[06:55] <Madpilot> more case cooling stuff: http://creativemods.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=84&Itemid=39
[06:55] <nalioth> if i lived in a dryer environment, i'd have a peltier element
[06:56] <bigbill52a> smoking makes things worse...sticky film for dust to stick to
[06:56] <nalioth> but since i live in Houston (humidity year round), not possible w/o a drainage plan
[06:56] <Madpilot> I dabble in case-modding, lots of it is just lights & goofiness, but the cooling & quiet PC stuff really does work
[06:56] <bigbill52a> we could put air coolers in our puters...lol
[06:56] <drummer87> hmm.. sorry, don't know what that error is.
[06:56] <tsheng> drummer87, I suspect something about the card has changed
[06:56] <iamnow> anyone bothered to do a workaround with this mozilla extension bs?
[06:56] <bigbill52a> yeah...fans do work
[06:57] <rideout> wasap:  /var/cache/apt/archives/
[06:57] <Cybermagellan> iamnow, what extension bs?
[06:57] <wasap> so i can empty that out to make room?
[06:57] <rideout> yeah
[06:57] <rideout> or #apt-get clean
[06:58] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: i ran the script from there, and now totem doesnt throw an error, but hangs while (apparently) reading the disc (about 5 minutes now...)
[06:58] <iamnow> Cybermagellan: if you use firefox you cant install themes or extensions in ubuntu because of gayness
[06:58] <nickrud> Madpilot, I'm about to run in the hottest summer enviro ever, got a single url that will point me to the best solution?
[06:58] <cikilin> good morning everybody!
[06:58] <carvE> anyone having issues with the Motorola wireless cards on the latest distro release of ubuntu?
[06:58] <nickrud> Madpilot, keeping in mind I'm as cheap as they get
[06:58] <bigbill52a> i did find that my processor was running hotter with one version of linux...trying to think which one it was...worked fine with the amd-64 version but about 20degrees hotter with the 386 version...strange
[06:58] <Cybermagellan> iamnow, did you change the identifier for the version in about:config?
[06:58] <Madpilot> nickrud: if you've got $$$ to throw at it, there's always watercooling.
[06:58] <nickrud> lol
[06:58] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: make sure DMA is enabled for your dvd drive
[06:58] <nickrud> cheeeeep, I know of water cooling
[06:59] <dust> `lo
[06:59] <iamnow> Cybermagellan: is it safe?
[06:59] <Madpilot> nickrud: cheap, huh? a big 120mm fan at the front of the case, 2x 80mm somewhere else to extract
[06:59] <Madpilot> the 120 should be an intake fan.
[06:59] <iamnow> Cybermagellan: thought it wasnt supposed to work
[06:59] <Cybermagellan> iamnow, well safer than complaining....honestly..if it is that big of a deal download and compile
[06:59] <nickrud> Madpilot, although, to be honest, with 110 degree temps, water cooling may be the way I have to go
[07:00] <dust> anyon know why an apt-cache search isn't pulling up xserver-xorg?
[07:00] <Madpilot> nickrud: you might want to search and/or ask on some of the modding forums.
[07:00] <dust> can't seem to install it :(
[07:00] <nalioth> nickrud: you could do what that german guy did, drop the mobo into a fish tank filled with a light flower oil
[07:00] <nickrud> Madpilot, a pointer or two where I can lurk for a while would be appreciated
[07:00] <iamnow> Cybermagellan: or i could drink alcohol from a paper bag :>
[07:00] <rideout> check the sources.list
[07:00] <nalioth> only thing out was the HD adn CDrom
[07:00] <Madpilot> nickrud: I like BitTech's forums --> http://forums.bit-tech.net/  but there are lots of other good sites
[07:00] <Cybermagellan> News just said .... 107 today
[07:01] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: andy@bengal:/mnt$ sudo /sbin/hdparm -d 1 /dev/dvd        /dev/dvd:       setting using_dma to 1 (on)          HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted           using_dma    =  0 (off)
[07:01] <cliebow_>  45 degrees here and pouring
[07:01] <Madpilot> Cybermagellan: 107 F = 42 C - holy sh*t!
[07:01] <dust> rideout: were you talking to me?
[07:01] <Cybermagellan> That's how hot it got here...
[07:01] <rideout> dust: yes
[07:01] <rideout> make sure you have the right repos
[07:02] <subxero> Could anyone help me with a "lost connection" problem I'm having with aMule?
[07:02] <dust> rideout: i have the warty universe uncommented
[07:02] <Madpilot> nickrud: GideonTech also has good forums: http://forums.gideontech.com/
[07:02] <cikilin> goodmorning everybody!:)
[07:02] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: hmm, make sure your controller supports it (it should). You may wish to check the wiki and forum regarding your controller, particularly if it's SATA
[07:02] <dust> though the disks i used to install are old, 4.10
[07:02] <carvE> Could some one link me to someplace with a good howto on using motorola wireless pci cards ?
[07:02] <dust> did a dist-upgrade after install was done though
[07:02] <nickrud> Madpilot, thanks, I'll take a look, but, hopefully, I'll move back to the coast :)
[07:02] <tga> dust: dist-upgrade to hoary
[07:03] <Madpilot> nickrud: if it's that hot, moving might be your best case-cooling option! :)
[07:03] <Cybermagellan> Is there a way I can check to see what the CPU temp is if I reenable ACPI?
[07:03] <rideout> dust: have you done an apt-get upgrade recenty?
[07:04] <nickrud> Madpilot, I'll probably replace my 5 year old sys with a state of the art cooled system, and end up not needing it next year :)
[07:04] <cikilin> can anybody help me warty to hoary?
[07:04] <rideout> Cybermagellan: acpi -V
[07:04] <dust> nothing needs updating according to apt
[07:04] <dust> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> does "switched dual rj45" imply that a device will have an input and output so that it can sit "between" another device on the network?
[07:04] <Cybermagellan> That's in cli?
[07:04] <Brunellus> ok chaps.  off to bed.
[07:04] <dust> lata brune
[07:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> like this sip phone will not require a separate cable from my hub?
[07:05] <Madpilot> nickrud: well, then your supercooled system will run really fast when you get back to cooler climes... :)
[07:05] <Cybermagellan> rideout, I use that in CLI?
[07:05] <rideout> dust: is this in your /etc/apt/sources.list : deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[07:06] <Dreamer3> can someone ls -l /usr/bin/pumount for me
[07:06] <dust> nay
[07:06] <dust> all warty
[07:06] <rideout> Cyber: yesmagellan
[07:06] <rideout> Cybermagellan: yes
[07:06] <Cybermagellan> Cool, I'll reenable ACPI and try it...thanks
[07:06] <Madpilot> speaking of cooling, has anyone ever gotten lssensors working w/ a new ASUS mobo?
[07:06] <nickrud> Madpilot, nah, I'm conservative, I'll use the cooling to extend life, not overclock
[07:06] <crimsun> Dreamer3: -rwsr-xr--  1 root plugdev 17016 2005-04-04 12:38 /usr/bin/pumount
[07:07] <dust> rideout: thought a dist-upgrade would fix all that jazz
[07:07] <pablo928> Madpilot:lm sensors work with my asus a7v8x-x
[07:08] <nickrud> Madpilot, again, thanks for the links, I'll follow up
[07:08] <Dreamer3> crimsun: thanks ;-)
[07:08] <carvE> for configuring my wireless connection on ubuntu, should i use iwconfig, i tried the GUI version of the network configurator, but it doesnt recognize my wireless card. thanks <3
[07:08] <sherwin> how do i install internet explorer on wine
[07:08] <Madpilot> pablo928: good to hear. my Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe doesn't seem to want to talk to lmsensors...
[07:09] <Madpilot> nickrud: NP. be warned that case modding is more than a bit addictive... :)
[07:09] <pablo928> Madpilot:is that a via chipset/
[07:09] <nalioth> nickrud: hear hear. i bought and set up a chinese junk shop duron 1.8 yestern, and i'm amazed at the speed it has
[07:09] <goldfish> sherwin: why oh dear god why?
[07:09] <pablo928> ?
[07:09] <Madpilot> sherwin: Why would anyone EVER want to install IE? :(
[07:09] <Madpilot> pab
[07:09] <rideout> dust: I am setting my sources to warty and updating to see what i get, it will be just a moment
[07:10] <Madpilot> pablo928: not sure. let me check...
[07:10] <nalioth> sherwin: the viruses and spyware don't work on linux
[07:10] <nickrud> Madpilot, I got all that addictiveness out of my system a long time ago (I was a bench tech) now I just want results
[07:10] <dust> rideout: thanks. just tried to dist-upgrade and getting 0 on all
[07:10] <gdarel> Anyone here have any information about configuring the wireless card in a Presario 2600?
[07:10] <tga> nalioth: I don't think you can feel anything over 1GHz/256M for normal desktop stuff
[07:11] <nickrud> Madpilot, and, at first glance, I'll find some things that will give me the results I want
[07:11] <carvE> Is there a list anywhere of the wireless cards ubuntu is KNOWN to support?
[07:11] <geneo93> dust do you have hoary repositories
[07:11] <crimsun> carvE: yes, see the wiki.
[07:11] <carvE> thanks
[07:11] <dust> geneo93: all repo's in sources.list are warty
[07:12] <rideout> dust: I have the package available to download using this line: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse
[07:12] <nalioth> tga, exactly. why do i need overclocking when the SOB does what i click to do, b4 my index finger gets off the mouse?
[07:12] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: the device is SATA i believe, and it automounts fine but still kills totem.
[07:12] <rideout> dust: you have the universe part, yes?
[07:12] <dust> rideout: ah, i don't have multiverse repo's anywhere
[07:12] <dust> rideout: yes
[07:12] <Cybermagellan> hmmm, so if acpi -V says  Thermal 1: passive active[0] , 4294967040.0 degrees C then I can bet it is worthless?
[07:12] <Madpilot> pablo928: Nvidia NForce2 on the A7N8X-E Deluxe
[07:12] <goldfish> gdarel: What card is it?
[07:13] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: ok, please check the wiki & forum
[07:13] <Madpilot> nickrud: good, there is lots of good info out there on cooling
[07:13] <gdarel> GOldfish.... good question how do I tell? It's detected but just wont acatavate
[07:13] <linuxamoeba21> i did...
[07:13] <dust> rideout: safe to add it into sources.list anywhere and do an upgrade ?
[07:13] <pablo928> Madpilot:my mb has the via chipsrt, don't know if lm sensors work well with the nvidia
[07:13] <nickrud> Madpilot, those links have already given me some ideas :)
[07:14] <nalioth> tga, matter of fact, that chinese (computer) junk shop had a reasonable deal on the 1.8 Duron systems + monitor
[07:14] <goldfish> gdarel: run 'lspci' in a terminal, look for it in that list.
[07:14] <nalioth> tga: i was so impressed, i may get one
[07:14] <rideout> dust: yes, on a new line
[07:14] <Madpilot> pablo928: afraid of that; i have heard of probs w/ Asus mobos. too bad
[07:14] <carvE> crimsun: is there anyway to recompile the kernel and add support for my wireless, or via wine using windows drivers?
[07:14] <nickrud> mainly, air flow, air flow, air flow, air flow, and maybe a cooling coil in a strategic place
[07:14] <crimsun> carvE: what wireless chipset?
[07:15] <carvE> Motorola Wireless PCI Adapter WPCI810G
[07:15] <rideout> carvE: use ndiswrapper with the windows drivers
[07:15] <nalioth> nickrud: you could always cut a hole in the top and add a stack off of an 18-wheeler (6" diameter) and stick a fan in it
[07:15] <Madpilot> nickrud: more good basic info here: http://www.7volts.com/   and here:  http://www.cpemma.co.uk/index.html
[07:15] <Madpilot> the 7volts site is an esp good one
[07:16] <pablo928> Madpilot:i am about ready to build a back-up box. To be safe i'm going to use the same mb i have now.
[07:16] <rideout> dust: any luck?
[07:16] <nickrud> nalioth, you are not (or maybe are :) amusing
[07:16] <Cybermagellan> Madpilot, so my ACPI readout is pretty much worthless?
[07:16] <dust> rideout: ran apt-get update then searched apt-cache for xserver
[07:17] <nickrud> nalioth, the amusing part is, I may need that :)
[07:17] <dust> rideout: still no dice on an xserver-xorg package
[07:17] <nickrud> my god, it's only may, and its already 92 degrees here
[07:17] <nalioth> nickrud: sorry, drove a 18-wheeler for 10 years when i got out of the army. for me 2 "stack" my box would be both efficient and nostalgic
[07:17] <subxero> nearly 100 in here.
[07:17] <nalioth> houston had record temps today, also
[07:17] <Tritis> 54 here :(
[07:18] <goldfish> gdarel: Any luck?
[07:18] <Madpilot> Cybermagellan: please don't mistake me for an expert, but that reading didn't look very sensible...
[07:18] <nalioth> hey US guys, are we havin a holiday monday?
[07:18] <MobyTurbo> 52 outside, according to the GNOME weather applet. :-)
[07:18] <subxero> Maybe I should turn those five computers off I'm not using. And how about those lights... 8 sixty-watt bulbs. Ouch. No fans, either.
[07:18] <rideout> dust: you don't have any wierd /etc/apt/preferences stuff do you?
[07:18] <carvE> is ndiswapper installed with the newest release?
[07:18] <gdarel> Goldfish.... It shows two, not sure how to tell the differance... first one is.
[07:18] <Cybermagellan> Yeah I just thought you knew C....so that large number didn't make any sense
[07:18] <MobyTurbo> nalioth, not this monday but the monday after that
[07:18] <goldfish> emmm
[07:18] <dust> rideout: nope
[07:18] <nickrud> nalioth, i almost moved to san antonio today for my job, but didn't. I do thank somone
[07:18] <gdarel> Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[07:19] <mattlins> I asked this earlier, but had to run. How do I run a rpm for the Java sdk 1.4.2_8?  I just need the command.  I tried rpm <java_sdk.rpm>
[07:19] <Madpilot> Cybermagellan: what was the # again? looked far too large to be reasonable...
[07:19] <crimsun> mattlins: use alient -i
[07:19] <gdarel> Ethernet controller: National Semiconductor Corporation DP83815 (MacPhyter) Ethernet Controller
[07:19] <nalioth> nickrud: san antonio is close to austin
[07:19] <nalioth> nickrud: austin is party central
[07:19] <goldfish> gdarel: It's the first one.
[07:19] <dust> rideout: apt-get dist-upgrade still not upgrading ><
[07:19] <crimsun> mattlins: that would be alien, sorry, not alient
[07:19] <gdarel> that's the internal one right? That's the one that wont seem to turn on
[07:19] <whyameye> carvE: I can't remember if ndiswrapper is included, but it certainly is one of the available ubuntu packages. Works great. I'm using it now...
[07:19] <nalioth> nickrud: holy moly! i forgot! austin has that killer theater with table service and wifi in the theater
[07:20] <sherwin> my cafe timer wants was looking for it
[07:20] <nickrud> nalioth, I would like austin, I think, but I'll settle for a little cooler weather. And san anton is no a closes thing, it may happen later
[07:20] <MobyTurbo> mattlins, alien would work, but it's better to download the bin, apt-get install java-package, then run "fakeroot make-jpkg j2sdk-foo.bin"
[07:20] <subxero> Anyone here any good with network problems? I'm new to Linux (using Ubuntu for about a week, now.)
[07:20] <Madpilot> OK, found Cybermagellan's number - 4 294 967 040.0 degrees Celsius = 7 730 940 704 degrees Fahrenheit....
[07:20] <goldfish> gdarel: Okay, you need to install the windows drivers for that card using ndisrapper.
[07:20] <goldfish> *ndiswrapper
[07:21] <linuxamoeba21> egh... i can get dvds to play on Kaffeine, but its jumpy... and i compy won't let me enable DMA
[07:21] <Madpilot> Google will translate just about any units. Just put, say, "107 F in C" in the search box. pretty cool trick.
[07:21] <Cybermagellan> Madpilot, which in theory is the temperature of the sun
[07:21] <gdarel> is there detailed instructions for that somewhere?
[07:21] <nalioth> nickrud: are you from north of Texas?
[07:21] <Madpilot> Cybermagellan: something like that! :)
[07:21] <nickrud> nalioth, I am from Idaho, but claim Seattle, and live in so cal :)
[07:21] <rideout> dust: i don't know what else to check, I set my sources.list to just use the line I cited above and apt-cache search xserver returned the package you wanted, I don't know what could be messing with your setup
[07:21] <nalioth> nickrud: then stay away from texas
[07:22] <grateful_> crimsun,  what do you want me to tell you from that printout?>
[07:22] <nalioth> nickrud: you will die
[07:22] <dust> rideout: anyway to get it to update to hoary?
[07:22] <crimsun> grateful_: the actual network controller line
[07:22] <nickrud> nalioth, no, I can get a carry permit there with 16 hours of classes :)
[07:22] <rideout> dust: yeah
[07:22] <grateful_> National Semiconductor Corporation DP83815 (MacPhyter) Ethernet Controller
[07:22] <Cybermagellan> Ok, so tomarrow I am going to take everything apart...disable my power switch (my son keeps pressing it in) clean out the fan/processor/ everything. And then try it again...
[07:22] <Cybermagellan> but for right now...I sleep
[07:22] <Cybermagellan> thanks everyone
[07:23] <nalioth> nickrud: the intense temperatures + humidity will not let you keep the permitted in very many places
[07:23] <MobyTurbo> there's a real funny story about a girl who wore a BSD daemon T-Shirt in a Texas restaurant and was asked "why are you wearing the prince of darkness on your T Shirt" and "Does the government use those devil computers?" and was thrown out of the restaurant.
[07:23] <nickrud> nalioth, yeah, no shirt :)
[07:23] <nalioth> nickrud: it was the temps + humidity i was referring to
[07:23] <rideout> dust: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[07:23] <grateful_> anyideas crimsun
[07:24] <crimsun> grateful_: sec
[07:24] <nalioth> nickrud: i drive a taxi in Houston and am not permitted (have never felt the need)
[07:24] <mattlins> okay, stupid question.  I tried accessing root by typing su.  But, apparently it does not take my password.  When did I setup the root account.  I only remember setting up my user account.
[07:24] <nickrud> nalioth, yeah, that's why I thank someone, but I've also spent time on the south atlantic coast, so I do have a clue about the weather
[07:24] <mattlins> I'm on a fresh install
[07:24] <MobyTurbo> mattlins, the Ubuntu way is to use sudo
[07:24] <mattlins> oh
[07:24] <bob2> mattlins: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:24] <dust> rideout: thanks for the help. i'm sure that once i get this beast upgraded it should resolve this wonkyness
[07:24] <bob2> mattlins: it did explain this to you during the install...
[07:25] <subxero> bob2: Is there any type of real root account?
[07:25] <crimsun> grateful_: lsmod|grep natsemi
[07:25] <nickrud> besides, It's the pople that make the place not the weather, and I've heard nothing really bad about the area from people I know
[07:25] <rideout> dust: no prob, I got some great help here when I was starting out a few years back, so now its my turn to give back -as much as I can anyway
[07:25] <bob2> subxero: you can make one if you really want to, but there's no point
[07:26] <nalioth> nickrud: habla espanol?
[07:26] <grateful_> natsemi                27872  0
[07:26] <dust> rideout: i know the feeling :) . looking forward to doing the same when i've felt my way through this system
[07:26] <nickrud> nalioth, the carry thing was a joke for my liberal friends, and un poqito
[07:26] <crimsun> grateful_: and ifconfig ? (use #flood)
[07:26] <subxero> bob2: Hmm... I like command lines, but if I want to do mass file management with a graphical program, how would I be root and do this?
[07:26] <nalioth> nickrud: texas is slowly goin back to mexico
[07:26] <bob2> subxero: don't know
[07:27] <bob2> subxero: maybe 'sudo nautilus'
[07:27] <nalioth> nickrud: spanish is necessary in my job (and i'm a gringo)
[07:27] <rideout> mattlins: It isn't kosher ubuntu but, sudo su; passwd
[07:27] <nickrud> nalioth, it's where it came from, and so is so cal, and I don't have a problem
[07:27] <subxero> bob2: Let me try that...
[07:27] <grateful_> permission denied
[07:27] <nalioth> subxero: "sudo nautilus" or "sudo konqueror" work for me
[07:27] <NicP> try gksudo nautilus
[07:27] <grateful_> ubuntu never asked me to setup a su password
[07:27] <nalioth> subxero: just be sure you remember you have a root FM open
[07:27] <nalioth> subxero: launch it from the terminal
[07:28] <NicP> if u use gksudo you dont need to launch from the terminal
[07:28] <NicP> you can type it in "run application"
[07:28] <grateful_> SIOCSIFADDR: No such devic
[07:29] <subxero> nalioth, bob2: Works OK. It prints a lot of ignorable errors to the console window, but that's not a big deal. gksudo 'fixes' that.
[07:29] <tga> what's a good console news reader?
[07:29] <bob2> tga: slrn's rather popular
[07:29] <tga> thanks
[07:29] <grateful_> crimsum?
[07:29] <crimsun> grateful_: still waiting for output in #flood
[07:29] <dust> got the dist-upgrade running and my flu symptoms are hitting me hard again :( . going to call it a night
[07:30] <dust> thanks for the help everyone, take care.
[07:30] <cikilin> crisum what that it means?:If you are Not running NFS (Network File System) as a client or a server then remove the portmap package:?
[07:30] <Weems> whats wrong with breezy:
[07:30] <crimsun> cikilin: where do you see that?
[07:30] <grateful_> i don't know what that means
[07:31] <MobyTurbo> Weems, if you need to ask you shouldn't.
[07:31] <cikilin> here:http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/document_view
[07:31] <bob2> Weems: lots of things
[07:31] <crimsun> grateful_: /join #flood
[07:31] <crimsun> grateful_: the paste the output of that command I gave you
[07:31] <bob2> Weems: including, you can't login on the console and X won't start
[07:31] <nalioth> weems, its a work-in-progress
[07:31] <grateful_> oh
[07:31] <bob2> they're my two favourite bugs
[07:31] <nalioth> Weems: wait for "release candidate" to appear in breezys version
[07:32] <cikilin> ?
[07:32] <pablo928> bob2:minor problems like those?
[07:32] <bob2> haha
[07:32] <Madpilot> bob2: are Breezy users able to turn their machines off yet? :)
[07:32] <bob2> Madpilot: hope they have a UPS ;p
[07:32] <tyler> I'm having an issue with IDE
[07:32] <cikilin> crisum
[07:33] <tyler> More spefically, the generic IDE driver is taking over before my board-specific driver
[07:33] <tyler> see http://cg2.org/dmesg.txt
[07:33] <rideout> I'm using a breezy hoary hybrid with /etc/apt/preferences hacks that seems to wok well
[07:33] <tyler> System is 5.04, on amd64 on a via kt800 board
[07:33] <crimsun> cikilin: are you using NFS?
[07:34] <crimsun> cikilin: if you don't know, you're not, so execute that command.
[07:34] <cikilin> i dont know how to check
[07:34] <Weems> I know its a early relelase
[07:34] <Weems> I jkust like to get the newest things
[07:35] <Weems> just*
[07:35] <mattlins> Earlier, you guys gave me a link to install the java 1.5 package, but I need to install the 1.4.2_8 package.  I downloaded the rpm from sun and ran it with sudo alien <java_1.4.2_8.rpm> and I get a bunch of errors.  Is there another way?
[07:35] <bob2> are you sure you need 1.4?
[07:35] <tyler> hrrm, my file seems to be 404ed...
[07:36] <tyler> lemme investigate
[07:36] <mattlins> Yes, because my redhat server uses 1.4.2_8
[07:36] <mattlins> and they won't upgrade
[07:36] <linuxamoeba21> got dvd playback but very choppy. apparently dma doesn't play well with SATA.. anyone have experience with this
[07:36] <linuxamoeba21> ?
[07:36] <bob2> mattlins: you do need to give alien some command line options...
[07:36] <MobyTurbo> mattlins, get the bin, not the rpm, install java-package and make a deb to dpkg -i using java-package.
[07:36] <tga> why are you installing java from rpms anyway?
[07:37] <crimsun> grateful_: I don't see your card
[07:37] <rideout> Weems: use /etc/apt/preferences: Package: * \n Pin: release a=breezy \n Pin-Priority: 100 \n Package: * \n Pin: release a=hoary \n Pin-Priority: 500
[07:37] <tga> get the bin file and build the deb yourself
[07:37] <mattlins> ok tga thanks
[07:37] <mattlins> i will get the bin
[07:37] <mattlins> is rpm old?
[07:37] <crimsun> grateful_: does your nic come from Netgear (says so on the box)?
[07:37] <nickrud> rideout, ohh, maybe I can start sooner than I thought :)
[07:37] <nalioth> MobyTurbo: can you spare a dumbass the directions to turn a source gz into a deb?
[07:37] <tyler> Okay, it works now... http://cg2.org/dmesg.txt
[07:38] <MobyTurbo> nalioth, well, although this isn't recommended for java's bin, because it can use /etc/alternative links made by java-package, use checkinstall.
[07:39] <MobyTurbo> nalioth, if you have checkinstall, all you have to do is run "make checkinstall" instead of "make install" and you can make a deb.
[07:39] <rideout> nickrud: with that you need to do apt-get -t breezy to specify what you want from that repo
[07:39] <E0x> hello
[07:39] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: my research indicates that hdparm doesn't work with SATA... you know of a workaround to get DMA turned on?
[07:39] <tsheng> NIC Question: I have a Netgear WG311T using the Atheros AR5213 chip, but the card shows up on lspci as AR5212, and so I can't get the interface up and running.  Can someone tell me how I can manually change the driver to AR5213?
[07:39] <E0x> how i can make my ipod mount with write permission ?
[07:40] <bob2> tsheng: it seems pretty unlikely that the pci id is wrong...are you sure it's a ar5213?
[07:40] <bob2> E0x: don't you use gtkpod or such for tht?
[07:40] <nickrud> rideout, yeah, I had the equiv with exprimental for gnome, but, on reflection, I'll probably pass until august
[07:40] <E0x> not ,ubuntu mount it automaty and i want in that way
[07:40] <cyphase> hey everyone
[07:40] <goldfish> hi
[07:40] <E0x> but  i need write permission
[07:40] <tsheng> bob2, that's what netgear tech support told me
[07:41] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: I don't, sorry
[07:41] <tyler> linuxamoeba21,: From what I've seen on my system (kt800 board, using sata_via) it always uses DMA, UDMA133 to be exact
[07:41] <nalioth> MobyTurbo: yes i have been using checkinstall for years
[07:41] <nickrud> rideout, that was my inner child speaking :)
[07:41] <bob2> tsheng: hrm. is it a pci card?
[07:41] <tsheng> bob2, do you know how the pci id works?  is it in the card's firmware?
[07:41] <tyler> linuxamoeba21,: Do you have to reason to suspect you AREN'T getting dma?
[07:41] <tsheng> bob2, yeah
[07:41] <nalioth> MobyTurbo: i just thought there may have been an (unkonw to me) dpkg command
[07:42] <bob2> tsheng: it's in the asic's on the chip, I think, even more hard-coded than the firmware
[07:42] <bitsmash> how do i install flash into firefox
[07:42] <bob2> tsheng: does loading the ath_pci driver work?
[07:42] <bob2> bitsmash: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:42] <nalioth> bitsmash: ubuntuguide.org
[07:42] <bob2> bitsmash: but be warned the binary flash plugin is pretty crap and will make firefox quite crashy
[07:42] <MobyTurbo> nalioth, it's a bit more complicated to make your own debs otherwise, though of course if your debs are bound for a repository it might be that checkinstall isn't adaquate.
[07:42] <rideout> nickrud: i always seem to get to anxious and destroy my box trying to get the latest and greatest ;)
[07:43] <linuxamoeba21> tyler: when i run $ sudo /sbin/hdparm -d 1 /dev/dvd i get " dev/dvd: setting using_dma to 1 (on)       HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted        using_dma    =  0 (off)
[07:43] <tsheng> bob2, yes... ath_pci and ath_hal drivers work, but it can't bring up ath0... I get a HAL 13 unsupported device error
[07:43] <nalioth> MobyTurbo: ty
[07:43] <tyler> your dvd driver is almost certainly ide
[07:43] <linuxamoeba21> tyler: and during install Kaffeine told me it wasnt on
[07:43] <bob2> tsheng: hmmm
[07:43] <nickrud> rideout, when you actually have to produce with your box, you get conserative :)
[07:43] <tyler> I'm actually fighting the same issue with my CDROm drive at the moment
[07:43] <bob2> tsheng: dmesg shows that they found the card?
[07:43] <tsheng> bob2, yes
[07:43] <garnertr> evening all
[07:44] <goldfish> hello garnertr
[07:44] <bob2> tsheng: wow, weird
[07:44] <garnertr> hello goldfish
[07:44] <KarlosII> wppt
[07:44] <KarlosII> woot
[07:44] <goldfish> sw00t
[07:44] <linuxamoeba21> tyler: i didnt have any issues with the cdrom... what's the prob with yours?
[07:44] <tsheng> bob2, ath_hal 0.9.12.14 is loaded, which supports ar5210, 5211, and 5212, but not 5213, so I suspect that Netgear tech support is right about the identity of the chipset
[07:45] <nickrud> and thanks mr wier, and mr. stone, and mr. zimmerman, and mr. troup and others so his child gets to play as best he can
[07:45] <goldfish> hey Xgates
[07:45] <Xgates> oi goldfish
[07:45] <carthik> Does ubuntu come with a pre-installed firewall?
[07:45] <Xgates> crimsun: :-)
[07:45] <garnertr> oops!
[07:45] <rideout> nickrud: that is what my debian stable box is for: it may be a little out of date, but damn is it stable
[07:45] <E0x> how i can make my ipod mount with write permission ? ( the automount way )
[07:45] <Xgates> crimsun: you in I pinged ya
[07:45] <Xgates> hehe
[07:45] <carthik> The reason I ask is I am trying to get a printer to work over IPP
[07:46] <carthik> I configured the printer, and it works
[07:46] <nickrud> Riddell, this box will become a stable soon, and my personal machine will be mine
[07:46] <bob2> tsheng: hm, ok
[07:46] <tyler> linuxamoeba21: The same as with your dvd (It's actually a DVD/CD-RW combo drive), can't enable DMA
[07:46] <bob2> E0x: is it possible?
[07:46] <carthik> but I cant print to it from another computer (which is on the wireless network) using ipp://ip.add.re.ss:631/printers/printer-name
[07:46] <tsheng> bob2, maybe this card has some identity issues he needs to work out, hehe
[07:46] <tyler> linuxamoeba21: try hdparm -d 1ing your cd-rom drie
[07:46] <crimsun> Xgates: pong
[07:47] <bob2> tsheng: if the module loads at all, I would think that means the pci id stuff is ok and that the problem is deeper in the driver
[07:47] <nickrud> there's no way I can name 900, so I named a few
[07:47] <linuxamoeba21> tyler. i did. it gives the error i posted above
[07:47] <rideout> does anyone know where I can find the breezy changelog?
[07:47] <tyler> linuxamoeba: Yea, that's the same error I'm getting
[07:47] <Xgates> crimsun: haha
[07:47] <tyler> linuxamoeba21: my point being, it's an IDE issue, not SATA
[07:48] <nickrud> rideout, subscribe to breezy-changes
[07:48] <bob2> tsheng: doing a bit of a google is interesting, a few people have had problems getting it working, but madwifi claims to support it
[07:48] <tsheng> bob2, yup
[07:48] <bob2> tsheng: http://madwifi.sourceforge.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=compatibility_list
[07:48] <Xgates> crimsun: ok where were we, yes I compiled alsa-drvers source by hand and then made it into a .deb
[07:48] <bob2> tsheng: madwifi != ath_pci, right?
[07:48] <rideout> nickrud: mailing list?
[07:48] <linuxamoeba21> tyler: the only even vaguely possibly useful resource i've found so far is http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29443.html. i'll go ask in #linux
[07:49] <nickrud> rideout, yes
[07:49] <tsheng> bob2, i thought it was
[07:49] <Xgates> crimsun: but I know this is not the problem because when I compiled it as --> make-kpkg --stem linux modules_image
[07:49] <Xgates>  I got the same message too
[07:49] <E0x> bob2: well the automount work , i hope the write permission was possible
[07:49] <bob2> rideout: it gets an email for each upload made to breezy
[07:49] <crimsun> Xgates: ok now, lsmod|grep ^snd_ca0106
[07:49] <bob2> rideout: it's a lot of mail, and probably not what you're looking for
[07:49] <Xgates> crimsun: thing is this is only happening when hotplug is started
[07:49] <Xgates> k
[07:49] <Xgates> with the --> ^?
[07:49] <Xgates> also?
[07:49] <crimsun> yes
[07:49] <Xgates> k
[07:50] <rideout> bob2: pipermail to my rescue: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/
[07:50] <bob2> tsheng: oh, duh me, you're right
[07:50] <Xgates> crimsun: nothing at the prompt
[07:50] <Xgates> crimsun: the mod isnt load
[07:50] <Xgates> btw
[07:50] <crimsun> Xgates: ok, so it's not loaded. What happens when you: sudo modprobe snd_ca0106 ?
[07:50] <Xgates> it will load
[07:50] <Xgates> one sec
[07:51] <crimsun> ok, it should do that much at least
[07:51] <Xgates> root@ubuntu:~# lsmod|grep ^snd_ca0106
[07:51] <Xgates> snd_ca0106             26852  0
[07:51] <crimsun> Xgates: good, now please paste the output from amixer onto http://pastebin.com
[07:51] <crimsun> (brb, drink downstairs)
[07:51] <jroes> amixer eh?
[07:51] <Xgates> crimsun: I took hotplug off hehe, chmod -x
[07:51] <jroes> your machine doesn't happen to boot with like 80 beeps from amixer, does it?
[07:52] <bob2> tsheng: hm, the madwifi faq at least confirms error 13 is "your card ain't supported"...does hoary have the latest version of hal?
[07:52] <Xgates> crimsun: just type amixer is all you want?
[07:52] <tsheng> bob2, hal doesn't claim to support 5213 http://www.net-forums.net/manpages/content/ath_hal.php
[07:52] <carthik> any love with ubuntu's firewall?
[07:52] <Xgates> jroes: no getting a message at bootup is all
[07:52] <tsheng> bob2, how do I check my version of hal?
[07:53] <bob2> tsheng: hm, according to that compatibility list url I gave you before, some 5213 cards should work
[07:53] <bob2> tsheng: dmesg | grep ath_hal, afaict
[07:53] <jroes> Xgates: oh, lucky :)
[07:53] <Xgates> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/287761
[07:53] <bob2> carthik: no, there is no firewall by default
[07:53] <Xgates> jroes: ---> amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: no such file or directory
[07:53] <Xgates> crimsun: btw I know pastebin
[07:54] <jroes> better than 8 beeps and weird errors
[07:54] <Xgates> :-)
[07:54] <Xgates> jroes: hehe
[07:54] <jroes> I think I chose the wrong kernel
[07:54] <Xgates> KICK it
[07:54] <carthik> bob2, thank you, but then why wouldnt the printer work?
[07:54] <jroes> but I couldn't really tell the difference
[07:54] <foxiness> if i'm use vmware to install other OS than i need to configure this gust to work with ubuntu like access Internet , if my Network it's static not DHCP and its ip address is : 192.168.0.1
[07:54] <bob2> carthik: I don't know
[07:54] <jroes> they all pretty much said the same thing
[07:54] <carthik> bob2, I cant print to it from another computer (which is on the wireless network) using ipp://ip.add.re.ss:631/printers/printer-name
[07:54] <bob2> carthik: maybe something else is blocking it
[07:54] <bob2> it probably won't work if they're on different subnets
[07:55] <carthik> bob2, am I correct in trying the ipp:// thing - cause ubuntu blocks administration from th usual localhost:631 cupsmanagement pages, and yet allows no way for me to share the printer over the network.
[07:56] <bob2> carthik: that's what the url should be, yeah, afaik.  of course it allows you a way, there's the gnome config thing, as well as the config file.
[07:56] <nalioth> y'all be good
[07:56] <carthik> bob2, any leads on how to get it work over subnets, as you say? I have tries "allow"ing from other subnets in cupsd.conf
[07:56] <bob2> carthik: I'd be guessing they're on different subnets, though
[07:56] <bob2> carthik: does it work from something on the same network?
[07:56] <bob2> as a test
[07:57] <crimsun> Xgates: contents of /proc/asound/cards ?
[07:57] <carthik> bob2, yes -- same lan works, wireless -> lan does not
[07:57] <bob2> tsheng: I'd be trying their mailing list, I guess, and including lspci output and the relevant dmesg bits
[07:57] <bob2> carthik: ok
[07:58] <carthik> bob2, is there a way to check if my university is blocking port 631 on the printer server?
[07:58] <tsheng> bob2, good idea, thanks for the help
[07:58] <Xgates> crimsun: 0 [CA0106         ] : CA0106 - CA0106
[07:58] <Xgates>                      AudigyLS [SB0310]  at 0xd000 irq 17
[07:58] <bob2> tsheng: no problem, sorry I couldn't be of more use
[07:58] <foxiness> if i want to install hp driver "hplip" than the apt-get ask me to remove ubuntu-desktop than is there any risk here ?
[07:58] <bob2> carthik: ok, I don't think you've described your setup in enough detail
[07:59] <bob2> carthik: who runs the cups server you're trying to connect to?
[07:59] <Laforge> hello, does anyone know how to set up ethernet on ubuntu
[07:59] <crimsun> Xgates: please tell me the lspci -v line
[07:59] <bob2> Laforge: haven't you been asking that over and over for days now?
[07:59] <Xgates> crimsun: btw should I be doing this soundsetup --> http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[07:59] <Laforge> yes, and no one has helped me
[07:59] <crimsun> Xgates: did sound ever work?
[07:59] <Xgates> crimsun: -->  How to configure sound to work properly in GNOME? --> Insert the following lines into the new file
[07:59] <bigfoot> bob2, my system monitor is now showing 100% usage. I did "top" in terminal, and the top item was a game I was playing called Moon-buggy. I'm no longer playing it, so why is it "running"?
[07:59] <bob2> Laforge: your question needs to be WAY more detailed before people can even start to help you
[08:00] <bob2> bigfoot: it's running in the background somewhere.  type 'k' in top, and then enter the PID of it (it'll be in the first column on the far left), then enter, and it should be lkilled
[08:00] <carthik> bob2, me, on a desktop that I have at school. I want my laptop, and those of my labmates to lso be able to print to the computer. Sometimes we are wired into the lan, sometimes we are wireless. I would love to have it print wirelessly. The desktop's Ip address is 132.59.13.24 or similar, the wireless laptop gets an IP of 10.xx.xx.xx
[08:00] <Xgates> crimsun: sound always works I just want to get rid of that stupid message in console when I boot up is all OR try to figure out what and why, you KNOW my old Slacker instincts NEED to make it neat and perfect and clean LOL
[08:00] <bob2> carthik: ok, excellent!
[08:01] <Xgates> crimsun: do we make --> /etc/asound.conf
[08:01] <Xgates> crimsun: and place that same info in for that sound setup on the Ubuntu guide?
[08:01] <carthik> bob2, after some research I found that I can have a cups printer, and print to it using ipp, and from windows computers using the internet printing drivers.
[08:01] <Laforge> Ok well i have a AMDtek ethernet card, and during the install i didn't no detect the card so now i have to set it up
[08:02] <Laforge> I look in the network panel and all it has is Modem and i can't set up an ethernet connection
[08:02] <bob2> Laforge: so, ignore the gui stuff
[08:02] <Laforge> Ok
[08:02] <bigfoot> bob2, it worked! Thanks! But just wondering, why is it running in the background even after i hit the "X" (close) button on the top right hand of that game's window (it wasn't running in full screen)?
[08:02] <bob2> carthik: ok, and you have 'Allow 10/24' in the config file?
[08:02] <bob2> bigfoot: I don't know, that is weird
[08:02] <carthik> bob2,  yes, that is so
[08:02] <bob2> Laforge: now, run "dmesg | grep ^eth" in a terminal and show us what it prints out
[08:03] <Xgates> crimsun: thing is at Alsa they say to do /etc/asound.conf with this ---> http://pastebin.com/287764
[08:03] <bob2> carthik: er, Allow 10/8, I mean.
[08:03] <bob2> carthik: er, Allow 10.0.0.0/8, even
[08:03] <Tritis> bigfoot:  It's because the X is closing the gtk window but it doesn't properly exit from the game.  Try quitting from the game using a method provided by the game.
[08:03] <carthik> bob2, I have Allow 10.*.*.*
[08:03] <bigfoot> bob2, you are a helpful Ubuntuer. I've been in the Ubuntu/Linux "cult" for just a week!
[08:03] <bob2> carthik: ok, cool
[08:03] <Laforge> and spaces?
[08:03] <bob2> bigfoot: heh, thanks, hope you're enjoying it
[08:03] <Laforge> any*
[08:03] <carthik> bob2, what does the 0.0.0/8 mean, anyways?
[08:03] <bigfoot> Tritis, okay, gotcha. Will remember that.
[08:04] <mattlins> i agree bob2 you are awesome
[08:04] <bob2> Laforge: exactly as I typed it
[08:04] <bob2> carthik: hm, do you know what a bit mask is?
[08:04] <carthik> bob2, this guide helped me ->http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxckbk/chapter/
[08:04] <dr_willis> 'the cult of ubuntu' comming this fall!
[08:04] <Laforge> bob2 it doesn't give me anything
[08:04] <carthik> bob2, yes. how is that a bit mask. I am little ashamed to admit I am a computer engg. grad student?
[08:04] <bigfoot> bob2, I'm enjoying ubuntu very much, yes. Actually it wasn't my first choice, but because of my PC setup (no cd-burner to burn another distro), it was good that the Ubuntu CD came one happy day! And so here I am in Ubuntu! 8-)
[08:05] <carthik> bob2, to be precise, the pdf in that page...
[08:05] <bob2> Laforge: ok, can you paste the output of "lspci -v" to #flood?
[08:05] <Hydrant> Can someone walk me through shrinking a partition through fdisk? I just used resize_reiserfs to change the filesystem size and it worked perfectly, and df is reporting the right size, but now I need to use fdisk to modify the partition too. I'm not sure how to do that, can someone help me out in PM, please?
[08:05] <bigfoot> bob2, my first choice was Mandrake, as it was the top distro according to distro-watch.com (or .org)
[08:05] <bob2> carthik: it can be expanded to 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0, which masks off the last 3 dotted bits
[08:05] <Laforge> Ok i dunno if you know this but this is a different computer
[08:05] <bob2> bigfoot: ah, I see
[08:06] <crimsun> Xgates: http://pastebin.com/287765  should suffice
[08:06] <Laforge> i will put it on a usb key and put it on pastebin.com
[08:06] <Xgates> k
[08:06] <bob2> Laforge: well, type out EXACTLY what "lspci | grep Ether" prints out
[08:06] <carthik> bob2, I am sorry I am so obtuse, so 10.0.0.0/8 does what exactly?
[08:06] <bob2> carthik: ok, back to the thing, do you have a 'BrowseAllow 10.0.0.0/8'?
[08:06] <bigfoot> is there a site for linux games that do _not_ require GDL?
[08:07] <tga> carthik: 10.0.0.0/8 means all addresses of form 10.x.x.x, where x is between 1 and 255
[08:07] <bob2> carthik: it's like a pattern which matches anything in the 10.*.*.* address range
[08:07] <nickrud> rideout, business called, you still around?
[08:07] <tga> carthik: the /8 is the netmask, aka 255.0.0.0
[08:07] <rideout> nickrud: yeah
[08:07] <E0x> how i can make my ipod mount with write permission ? ( the automount way )
[08:07] <bob2> E0x: have you found out if this is possible yet?
[08:07] <bob2> E0x: also, maybe try the mailing list?  someone might know there.
[08:07] <carthik> bob2, no I have BrowseAllow 132.59.20.34 or similar
[08:08] <nickrud> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals is very interesting, if you want to keep up.
[08:08] <E0x> bob2:  i  am looking in the forum
[08:08] <bob2> carthik: ok, try adding the bit I suggested on another line, I think it might help
[08:08] <nickrud> I'm working tonight, so i've been away a bit
[08:08] <rideout> cool
[08:08] <Laforge> 0000:00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Microsoft Corporation: Unknown device 0002  (rev 11)
[08:08] <carthik> bob2, tga, thanks a lot
[08:09] <carthik> I will read up on the mask bit
[08:09] <tga> o.0 Microsoft makes NICs?
[08:09] <jroes> does anyone fail on "Configure apt" in the install process?
[08:09] <carthik> seems counter intuitive (the 8)
[08:09] <bob2> Laforge: that's all it says?
[08:09] <jroes> or did my CD just not burn very well
[08:09] <Xgates> crimsun: thanks let me reboot and see if that in /etc/asound.conf helps ok?
[08:09] <tga> carthik: the 8 is the "1111" in 1111.0000.0000.0000
[08:09] <Laforge> bob2, yes
[08:09] <bob2> carthik: the 8 is short hand for "the first 8 bits are 1, the other 16 are 0"
[08:09] <crimsun> Xgates: that won't fix the message
[08:09] <jroes> I've run the install twice and both times I get this "Installation step failed: Configure apt"
[08:09] <Xgates> ahh ok
[08:10] <bob2> jroes: are you sure the CD burnt correctly?
[08:10] <crimsun> Xgates: I would disregard the message, actually
[08:10] <Xgates> crimsun: so do you understand why Im getting that?
[08:10] <jroes> bob2: I guess not, huh? :P
[08:10] <crimsun> Xgates: yes, that's an issue with that older version of the driver
[08:10] <engin> i use ubuntu honary amd64. how i can install skype?
[08:10] <Xgates> crimsun: ahh
[08:10] <jroes> bob2: I -knew- I should have md5sum'ed the iso, and then verified the burn
[08:10] <bob2> jroes: best to check that first, 9/10 times problems like that are fixed by burning the cd carefully
[08:10] <bob2> jroes: heh, yeah
[08:10] <crimsun> Xgates: 1.0.9 will resolve it, but it's a harmless diagnostic blurb currently.
[08:10] <Xgates> crimsun: ok
[08:10] <bob2> jroes: there's an option in the installer menu for it, iirc, if you can figure out how to get to it
[08:11] <Xgates> crimsun: let me grab 1.0.9rc3 and try it out THANKS
[08:11] <bob2> or boot in expert mode, I guess
[08:11] <Xgates> crimsun: by the way is there a 1.0.9 alsa-source out in Ubuntu now?
[08:11] <tga> engin: take a look at http://www.imilesi.it/lore/linux/notsoweirdprograms.html
[08:12] <crimsun> Xgates: not yet
[08:12] <Xgates> k
[08:12] <Xgates> I'll just do one by hand
[08:12] <crimsun> it's only in Debian experimental atm
[08:12] <Xgates> k
[08:12] <carthik> bob2, http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/n/netmask.htm is that right?
[08:13] <bob2> carthik: right
[08:13] <carthik> bob2, last question, I promise :) so does 10.*.*.* mean I am allowing all IP address starting with 10. to connect?
[08:13] <bob2> carthik: right
[08:14] <carthik> bob2, so I can use that, right - thank you
[08:14] <bob2> which is pretty safe, since spoofing an ip is hard
[08:14] <carthik> bob2, my laptop always has an IP address that starts with 10
[08:14] <bob2> cool, you're all set then
[08:14] <Laforge> any idea bob2
[08:14] <bob2> Laforge: that pci id is very suss
[08:15] <Xgates> crimsun: btw Ubuntu using the OSS emu in Alsa?
[08:15] <Laforge> suss?
[08:15] <bob2> suspicious
[08:15] <bob2> Xgates: yes
[08:15] <crimsun> Xgates: by default through esd, yes
[08:15] <carthik> so I beleive 10.*.*.* should work. I will also try the 10.0.0.0/8 thingy.
[08:15] <Xgates> maybe I'll just add it in anyways Im so use to compiling it
[08:15] <Xgates> ok
[08:15] <Laforge> bob2, why?
[08:15] <bob2> because it's so low
[08:15] <Laforge> oh, so how do i raise it?
[08:16] <bob2> you can't
[08:16] <tga> breezy is going towards the edu people I see
[08:16] <Laforge> oh, so should i try a different card
[08:16] <bob2> if you have a different one, it should just work
[08:17] <bob2> tho I don't know why your current one doesn't
[08:17] <Xgates> ALSA modules were successfully compiled.
[08:17] <Xgates> NEXT
[08:17] <Xgates> :-)
[08:17] <Laforge> ok
[08:17] <MobyTurbo> Xgates, ALSA is part of the 2.6 kernel, you shouldn't have to compile it seperately.
[08:18] <crimsun> MobyTurbo: his hardware requires newer drivers.
[08:18] <MobyTurbo> Xgates, crimsun, I see. Never mind.
[08:19] <Xgates> :-)
[08:19] <E0x> bob2:  i think is a bug
[08:19] <E0x> the ipod problem
[08:19] <E0x> but i want know what file make the rules of automount
[08:20] <E0x> when i try write in the ipod say  Read-only file system
[08:20] <E0x> but when i make mount
[08:21] <E0x> show me the ipod mounted with rw permission
[08:21] <Xgates> crimsun: AHH I remember before I couldnt get the damm thing to compile and install
[08:21] <Xgates> crimsun: -->  trying to overwrite `/lib/modules/2.6.10/modules.alias', which is also in package linux-image-2.6.10
[08:21] <Xgates> then it fails
[08:21] <Xgates> hmm
[08:22] <crimsun> Xgates: yeah, some people need --force-overwrite
[08:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> how much space is on  a dvd? in MiB?
[08:22] <Xgates> hmm
[08:22] <bob2> Kamping_Kaiser: roughly 4700MB
[08:22] <bob2> on a single-side data one, anyway
[08:22] <bob2> no, wait, I'm wrong
[08:22] <carthik> E0x, try connecting the iPOD once to a windows machine, and enable the "use as storage media" option through iTunes
[08:22] <Laforge> bob2, what if it is the same network card?
[08:22] <Laforge> same type
[08:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, i wan t work it out in MiB so i can get 2 AVI/MPEGS in
[08:23] <Xgates> crimsun: so dpkg --force-overwrite pack.deb?
[08:23] <E0x> carthik: already have that
[08:23] <crimsun> Xgates: -i
[08:23] <crimsun> *too
[08:23] <Xgates> k
[08:23] <E0x> carthik: the ipod automate mount fine , but without write permission
[08:23] <bob2> Kamping_Kaiser: it's ~4GB, I don't know the exact number
[08:23] <bob2> that's many many hours of mpeg-2
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
[08:24] <Xgates> crimsun: ok off to boot this bad boy THANKS
[08:24] <Xgates> brb
[08:25] <bob2> hm, I guess I need to start using bogofilter or something
[08:26] <nickrud> bob2, ?
[08:26] <Laforge> So bob2 does it matter if the the network card is the same as my old one
[08:26] <Laforge> also would it help if i did a different slot?
[08:26] <nickrud> bob2, or maybe just get some sleep?
[08:26] <bob2> oh, just looking at my inbox.  all the spam directed directly at me is gone due to rbls and greylisting, but now I get a flood of stuff sent to me via other places.
[08:27] <bob2> Laforge: I doubt it will help, but it's worth a try, I guess
[08:27] <bob2> Laforge: is it a very new card?
[08:27] <Laforge> uh no, but newer
[08:27] <nickrud> bob2, heh, I'm not so well known :)
[08:27] <Laforge> also if the card worked when it was windows and now it doesn't work on ubuntu is that bad?
[08:28] <bob2> no, it's not bad
[08:28] <Laforge> It had to load a driver, but i don't know where the one is for linux
[08:28] <bob2> yeah, nor does the kernel
[08:28] <Laforge> i*
[08:29] <Tritis> Laforge: If you are still using the microsoft card, it seems that it isn't supported by linux as the card doesn't report the chipset used.   I'd recommend spending $10 on a supported card (or trying to just get one for free.)
[08:29] <neofax> Has anyone had luck getting a ACX111 wireless usb nic working?
[08:30] <Laforge> So, could i get one from like Circut City?
[08:30] <JairunCaloth> how do I find out what version video drivers I'm running?
[08:30] <nickrud> well, this is as good as a time as any, good night
[08:30] <bob2> JairunCaloth: what driver are you using?
[08:30] <bob2> Laforge: a NIC, sure.
[08:30] <JairunCaloth> nvidia
[08:30] <Xgates> crimsun: nope 1.0.9rc3 samething
[08:30] <Xgates> amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: no such file or directory
[08:30] <Xgates> * /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning : 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: load_state:1267: no soundcards found
[08:31] <Laforge> ok, so only specification is it needs to be NIC?
[08:31] <bob2> JairunCaloth: /usr/share/doc/linux-restricted-modules/changelog.Debian.gz
[08:31] <bob2> Laforge: I don't know what you want to do
[08:31] <crimsun> Xgates: no big deal
[08:31] <Tritis> JairunCaloth:  cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
[08:31] <bob2> Laforge: if you want one that works under linux, basically any should
[08:31] <Xgates> crimsun: so why it's doing it?
[08:31] <Tritis> any other than one by microsoft :)
[08:31] <Laforge> so, should a ADMtek one work?
[08:31] <bob2> yeah, it's very odd it's not working
[08:31] <Xgates> nah I'm a Slacker turned Ubuntu I cant leave sloppiness in the box
[08:31] <Xgates> LOL
[08:32] <dr_willis> heh - the firefox site mentions ubuntu :P and the 'dosent have the version # correct ' issue
[08:32] <bob2> Laforge: if you're going to buy one, don't by the same, that's just silly
[08:32] <E0x> heh
[08:32] <Xgates> I have to fix :-)
[08:32] <Xgates> hehe
[08:32] <Laforge> ok let me install the other
[08:32] <E0x> i reboot for something bob2 and i connect the ipod again and now work fine
[08:32] <E0x> with write permission
[08:32] <Raskall> hmm.. before I reinstalled I hade a debian-menu under applications in gnome where apps I installed from debian-repos showed up. Now it's not there. How go I get it back?
[08:33] <bob2> Raskall: erk, be very very very very careful when installing packages from Debian
[08:33] <bob2> and if you ever ask for help with apt, tell people that you've done that
[08:33] <bob2> the package you want is "menu"
[08:34] <Laforge> bob2 i have an extra one from my old old machine, and i realized it has the same card
[08:34] <Raskall> bob2: ok.. thanks. I am of course very careful with debian things. always have the repos commented out. just uncomment them when needed.
[08:35] <bob2> ok
[08:36] <carthik> E0x, please read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IPodHowto
[08:36] <Raskall> bob2: ahh.. thanks. Finally I have alle the games I installed accessible in gnome
[08:37] <E0x> carthik: now work
[08:37] <E0x> with automount
[08:39] <dark> -
[08:39] <Xgates> crimsun: what package is amixer in?
[08:40] <E0x> alsa-utils
[08:40] <crimsun> ^
[08:40] <cRySsTaL> hello, i register in the site
[08:41] <cRySsTaL> how long should take to recive for me the CDs?
[08:41] <crimsun> Xgates: the conf just needs to be updated, I suspect
[08:41] <Xgates> crimsun: what conf?
[08:41] <crimsun> Xgates: that should be resolved once alsa-{driver,lib,utils} are synced when 1.0.9 releases.
[08:41] <crimsun> Xgates: the card database containing all definitions
[08:42] <Laforge> ok bob2, i put the different card in and changed the slot and this is what it says
[08:42] <Xgates> sorry you lost me in alsa-driver a conf?
[08:42] <bob2> cRySsTaL: a few weeks
[08:42] <Laforge> 0000:00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Microsoft Corporation: Unknown device 0002  (rev 11)
[08:42] <crimsun> Xgates: alsa-lib (libasound2 package) contains a database of default sound chipset configurations
[08:43] <ivoks> ?
[08:43] <ivoks> :))
[08:43] <jaysin> does anyone know how i can play .wmv files in totem?
[08:43] <Laforge> only difference is 0b turned to 0a
[08:44] <Xgates> brb
[08:45] <binuts> hi
[08:46] <ivoks> Laforge: what card is that?
[08:47] <Laforge> ADMteck AN983B
[08:47] <ivoks> never hurd for something like tha
[08:48] <Laforge> oh
[08:51] <jaysin> how do i get a wmv plug-in for totem?
[08:51] <bob2> jaysin: install totem-xine
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> its in the w32codes iirc
[08:51] <bob2> or just use something else
[08:52] <crimsun> (doesn't gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg support wmvs?)
[08:52] <Tritis> Laforge: Try using tulip
[08:53] <Laforge> i do, but don't no how to activate it
[08:53] <ivoks> yeah... tulip could work
[08:53] <Laforge> or set up ethernet
[08:53] <ivoks> modprobe tulip
[08:54] <jaysin> bob2: where do i do that at?
[08:54] <tga> does scp source ~/.bash_profile?
[08:55] <bob2> no
[08:55] <bob2> why would anything in there matter to scp, anyway?
[08:55] <zaydana> um... i have a filesystem mounted automatically but it aint in fstab
[08:55] <zaydana> where would i go to stop it from automatically moutning all my filesystems? an init.d script?
[08:55] <ivoks> it could
[08:55] <bob2> zaydana: yes, that's fine, that's how gnome-volume-manager works
[08:55] <ivoks> for completion
[08:55] <Laforge> ivoks, nothing happened
[08:55] <bob2> ivoks: scp doesn't do completion
[08:56] <zaydana> bob2 - any way to turn it off?
[08:56] <ivoks> bob2: it does
[08:56] <ivoks> bob2: same as ssh
[08:56] <bob2> zaydana: system -> removable drives -> automount, or something
[08:56] <ivoks> reads .ssh/known-hosts
[08:56] <Razor-X> mmmmm
[08:56] <zaydana> k...
[08:56] <dr_willis> hmm i'd be curious as to how its managing to do that.
[08:56] <bob2> ivoks: er, that only happens on the local system
[08:57] <ivoks> bob2: it complets hostname, not path, of course
[08:57] <ivoks> Laforge: that's ok
[08:57] <ivoks> Laforge: dmesg | grep eth0
[08:57] <ivoks> Laforge: see if you'll get any result
[08:57] <bob2> ivoks: sure, but that has nothing to do with whether scp itself touches bash_profile locally or remotely
[08:58] <Laforge> no ivoks, none
[08:58] <ivoks> ah, soury I misunderstood question :)
[08:58] <ivoks> Laforge: nothing?
[08:58] <ivoks> Laforge: why don't you buy a real network card? :)
[08:58] <carthik> thanks again, bob2
[08:58] <bob2> carthik: working now?
[08:58] <Laforge> do i have a fake one?
[08:58] <Razor-X> i'm thinking up an encryption method right now
[08:59] <Razor-X> not like, something industrial strength
[08:59] <bob2> not for storing anything, I hope
[08:59] <carthik> bob2, no, but i guess i will figure it out first thing in the morning - i am dropping off the chair here :)
[08:59] <ivoks> Laforge: it's not fake... but one can rearly found :)
[08:59] <bob2> ah, fair enough
[08:59] <bob2> sorry I couldn't be of more help
[09:00] <Laforge> ok
[09:00] <Razor-X> but, something which you can use in a chatroom
[09:00] <Razor-X> that takes several hours to brute-force
[09:00] <Taliesin`> time for mass netsplits :)
[09:00] <carthik> bob2, you couldn't (have been of more help). you were great! thanks. Abou ben adhem
[09:00] <Razor-X> yah, let's go!
[09:00] <Razor-X> ride the wave, baby!
[09:00] <ivoks> Laforge: you sure it's ADMteck?
[09:00] <Laforge> ADMtek
[09:01] <ivoks> you have ADMtek soundcard, too?
[09:01] <bob2> Razor-X: why not just use an existing algorithm?
[09:01] <ivoks> that's a laptop?
[09:01] <Tritis> modprobe tulip didn't work Laforge?
[09:01] <bob2> Razor-X: at chat traffic rates, cpu is not going to be a problem
[09:01] <Razor-X> bob2: because, most existing ones are either too strong, or too weak
[09:01] <bob2> Razor-X: too strong?
[09:01] <bob2> Laforge: are you sure it's a PCI card?
[09:01] <Laforge> yes
[09:01] <dualm> hello friends, I have been having this freeze up problem with hoary for quite some time. The system just hangs and stops responding. any body experiencing the same
[09:02] <Razor-X> well, yeah, it's not meant to be anything that contains sensitive information, jest to kind of alienate certain members who need not know what you're chatting about
[09:02] <Laforge> and Tritis nothing happened when i did modprobe tulip
[09:02] <Razor-X> that's for PGP
[09:02] <Tritis> You didn't get an error?
[09:02] <Laforge> no
[09:03] <[Piratez] > does ubuntu have support for wireless; ie. netgear wireless wgt624; i've never tried it before but i'm about to download it now
[09:03] <Razor-X> I'm debating about switching to the servers that are abou to come up
[09:03] <Tritis> lsmod shows tulip?
[09:03] <Razor-X> *about
[09:03] <Razor-X> that way, I know i'm safe
[09:03] <Razor-X> and, i'll ride the netsplit wave back to source
[09:03] <bob2> [Piratez] : depends what chipset it is
[09:03] <[Piratez] > alteros
[09:03] <Tritis> not looking good for me... i'm on brown
[09:04] <[Piratez] > i checked on something called 'madwifi'
[09:04] <bob2> atheros, you mean
[09:04] <bob2> it should be detected during the install then
[09:04] <[Piratez] > said linux would support it but its a pain to go through all the steps; if ubuntu has it
[09:04] <[Piratez] > oh nice
[09:04] <[Piratez] > dam that was laggie ;] 
[09:04] <Razor-X> mmmhmmm, that was not a netsplit for me
[09:04] <Razor-X> that was an error on my part ;)
[09:05] <Tritis> well we've lost bob2
[09:05] <[Piratez] > so does the live cd support it as well
[09:05] <[Piratez] > i'm going to get that instead.. so i can take it around with me
[09:05] <clay> bob will be back, don't worry :)
[09:05] <Laforge> lsmod has tulip 46112 0
[09:05] <bob2> [Piratez] : should do
[09:06] <Razor-X> damn it
[09:06] <Razor-X> I can't get my commands right
[09:06] <[Piratez] > thx bob downloading :)
[09:06] <jaysin> bob2:  what did i need to download for totem?
[09:06] <Laforge> tritis 	lsmod has tulip 46112 0
[09:06] <bob2> jaysin: totem-xine
[09:06] <bob2> or just use mplayer
[09:06] <ivoks> Laforge: do you have windows driver for it?
[09:06] <Laforge> yes
[09:06] <ivoks> Laforge: did you try ndiswrapper?
[09:07] <Tritis> Laforge: I wish I could help more, you'd probably save time (And time is money) by just buying a card at circuit city.
[09:07] <Laforge> what is that?
[09:07] <Razor-X> what was the first netsplitted server?
[09:07] <ivoks> Laforge: that is wrapper that enables you to use some driver for windows
[09:08] <bob2> ivoks: ndiswrapper? it's a wired nic.
[09:08] <jaysin> bob2:  and how do i install it?
[09:08] <Razor-X> what was the first netsplitted server?!
[09:08] <Tritis> night all.
[09:08] <bob2> jaysin: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:08] <bob2> Razor-X: chill dude
[09:08] <clay> is ndiswrapper not for wired nics too?
[09:08] <ivoks> bob2: lot's of adm wifi cards works with it
[09:08] <JairunCaloth> If I were an xorg.conf file... where might I be hidding?
[09:08] <Razor-X> bob2: having some fun, that's all ;)
[09:09] <bob2> JairunCaloth: /etc/X11/
[09:09] <Taliesin`> two more servers are about to go
[09:09] <bob2> JairunCaloth: it's not a good idea to edit it manually, tho
[09:09] <bob2> ivoks: Laforge's nic is not wireless.
[09:09] <Razor-X> Taliesin`: what was the first netsplitted server?
[09:09] <chocoIate> how do i execute a file with .bin extention :o
[09:09] <tyler> How do I enable cups administration?
[09:09] (JairunCaloth/#ubuntu) thanks bob
[09:10] (JairunCaloth/#ubuntu) holy netsplits batman!
[09:10] (tyler/#ubuntu) I don't want to use the gnome or kde printer configs, which from my expireice are majorly flakey
[09:10] <Razor-X> wow
[09:10] <Taliesin`> :>
[09:10] <Razor-X> good thing I haven't been hit yet
[09:10] <chocoIate> how do i execute a file with .bin extention :o
[09:10] <Razor-X> Taliesin`: what was the first netsplitted server?
[09:11] <chocoIate> its supposed to be an auto installer :S
[09:11] <Taliesin`> (Razor-X): NFI
[09:11] <bob2> chocoIate: it has no instructions at all?
[09:11] <Razor-X> Taliesin`: eh?
[09:11] <Taliesin`> but looks like niven.freenode.net wont be restarted this time round.
[09:11] <chocoIate> not that i know of :S
[09:11] <JairunCaloth> [02:29]  -deedra- {global notice} Hi all! in half an hour I'm going to be rebooting several boxes for upgrades. This will affect about half the network. Please see  'http://www.freenode.net/news.shtml'  for more information. Any further announcements  are going to be given in wallops, '/mode your_nick +w' if you would like to watch what's going on. I will announce   what happens as I take boxes down for reboot.
[09:11] <bob2> chocoIate: sh blah.bin
[09:12] <Taliesin`> :D
[09:12] <chocoIate> ok, thanks
[09:12] <duende> Help : I'm trying to install Python2.4-sip4-qt3, and i get three input/output erroros on /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/BitTorrent/Choker.pyc (Connecter.pyc/CurrentRateMessure.pyc), any ideas?
[09:12] <ivoks> hm, was laged
[09:12] <Razor-X> maybe we should all stop for a bit....
[09:13] <bob2> duende: input/output errors = disk is screwed
[09:13] <Taliesin`> providing help during this time is gonna be stuffed
[09:13] <Razor-X> yes
[09:13] <Razor-X> ride the wave peoples!!!!
[09:13] <Taliesin`> seeming the splits are gonna last for an hour
[09:13] <bob2> duende: power down and check your cables are plugged in properly
[09:13] <duende> bob2: usually that's what i would think, but it's only happening on this one package, everything else is fine
[09:13] <Taliesin`> well, possibly up to an hour
[09:13] <Razor-X> Taliesin`: do you have any server information?
[09:13] <drummer87> what r all these log on/offs?? splits?
[09:13] <Taliesin`> yes
[09:13] <Taliesin`> netsplits
[09:13] <drummer87> what r they?
[09:13] <Razor-X> Taliesin`: i'm gonna try and escape by moving to servers that have been splitted then reconnected
[09:13] <Taliesin`> they are restarted the servers drummer87
[09:14] <Taliesin`> restarting*
[09:14] <Razor-X> gah!
[09:14] <Taliesin`> i think they are applying some patches to the servers
[09:14] <crimsun> drummer87: network server upgrades
[09:14] <drummer87> i see
[09:14] <Taliesin`> ok
[09:14] <Taliesin`> hold
[09:14] <Taliesin`> on
[09:14] <Taliesin`> 3 big servers, 2 rotation and 1 hub
[09:14] <bob2> drummer87: the irc network consists of a bunch of servers that people connect to.  then they pass messages between them.  they;re being rebooted, one at a time, so people are dropping off, then coming back again as they reconnect
[09:17] <Razor-X_> ok, Zelazny isn't up
[09:18] <Razor-X_> of all the times for nickserv to go down -_-
[09:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[09:19] <Taliesin> :>
[09:19] <chocoIate> The installer provides an alternate way for installing Mono. It is particularly useful when you have trouble installing from RPMs or compiling from source. It is also a good way for people coming from a Windows/.NET background to try Mono on Linux with minimal effort (so we can take them over to this side of the force ;)
[09:19] <chocoIate> hahha :P
[09:19] <chocoIate> funny that last part :)
[09:20] <Razor-X_> i'm a gonna try and search for remaining servers
[09:20] <Razor-X_> and i'll keep you guys updated
[09:20] <Razor-X_> so that we can ride the wave!!!
[09:20] <Taliesin> they've done the main one's now
[09:21] <Taliesin> they have restarted 7 servers, which is all they are restarting
[09:21] <Razor-X_> oh, really?
[09:21] <Razor-X_> damn, that's not fun ---
[09:21] <Razor-X_> *-_-
[09:21] <Razor-X_> I wanted to have some real fun with this
[09:21] <Taliesin> http://freenode.net/news.shtml
[09:21] <Taliesin> :P
[09:22] <Razor-X_> mmmm, we otta have a mini-contest
[09:22] <Taliesin> To update status, we're still scheduling major server maintenance at 7am UTC Sunday 22 May 2005 (that's midnight in Los Angeles, 3am in New York City, 9am in Brussels and 5pm in Sydney). Seven, not six, major servers will be restarted,
[09:22] <Razor-X_> we'll make a set of pseudo-irc-servers
[09:22] <Razor-X_> and then, we'll have some netsplit wave surfing fun
[09:23] <Taliesin> [16:52:22]  !dmwaters! Hi all! update time! we're all done with the reboots, now we're working on cleanup
[09:23] <Taliesin> :>
[09:23] <toresbe> yay
[09:23] <Razor-X_> we ota do that
[09:23] <Razor-X_> *otta
[09:23] <Razor-X_> a netsplit waveriding contest
[09:24] <Razor-X_> _almost_ as fun as googlewhacking or UUOC
[09:25] <bob2> how can you do anything with a netsplit except sit back and be annoyed at it?
[09:25] <Razor-X_> you can make _anything_ fun
[09:25] <billytwowilly> bob2: you turn it into a drinking game.
[09:25] <Razor-X_> case in point, Googlewhacking (Google) and UUOC (cat)
[09:25] <billytwowilly> bob2: I recommend 1 shot per @ sign you see.
[09:26] <Razor-X_> billytwowilly: ;)
[09:26] <chocoIate> is there a linux os targetted specifically to mobile phones :o
[09:27] <bob2> drink!
[09:27] <Taliesin`> lol
[09:27] <billytwowilly> chocoIate: I recommend you start with openembedded if you are starting a porting project like that
[09:27] <billytwowilly> openembedded.org
[09:27] <Razor-X_> billytwowilly: you have advice for Linux on an EBGA processor?
[09:28] <chocoIate> is symbian based on linux ;-?
[09:28] <chocoIate> nowhere on their site do they mention any associations with linux :S
[09:28] <billytwowilly> Razor-X_: I have no idea what an EBGA processor is;) I just know openembedded rocks
[09:28] <billytwowilly> chocoIate: symbian is not linux.
[09:28] <bob2> symbian was written from scratcj
[09:28] <Razor-X_> I was thinking ucLinux, but, then again, I don't think it can work on an EBGA processor
[09:28] <billytwowilly> openembedded=a system for cross compiling.
[09:28] <Razor-X_> billytwowilly: neither do I, really
[09:29] <NicP> sybian sucks too
[09:29] <billytwowilly> openembedded is what is used to compile openzaurus and familiar linux
[09:29] <NicP> symbian
[09:30] <billytwowilly> lol
[09:30] <billytwowilly> symbian sucks, but a sybian vibrates;)
[09:30] <bigfoot> Hi all, i downloaded a game called spice trade. It was a .jar file. How do I load this?
[09:30] <crimsun> bigfoot: java -jar foo.jar
[09:31] <bigfoot> crimsun, is there a way to do it without going to the terminal?
[09:31] <billytwowilly> hello, I'm looking for a a todo program where I can add things I need to do the task to the task. ie. If I put "phone bill" in there I want to be able to tell it I need a phone to do the task, then if I have a phone handy I want to be able to see what tasks I can do later by filtering by "have phone"
[09:31] <billytwowilly> any suggestions?
[09:31] <billytwowilly> bigfoot: no.
[09:31] <billytwowilly> bigfoot: unless you add a menu item that does what you have to do on the terminal.
[09:32] <billytwowilly> and bob2 is really drunk by now;)
[09:32] <JairunCaloth> yay....
[09:32] <bigfoot> crimsun,  billytwowilly, i typed "java" in terminal, but it said "bash: java: command not found"
[09:32] <billytwowilly> bigfoot: yah.. you have to download java from sun..
[09:32] <bigfoot> doesn't ubuntu come pre-installed with java?
[09:32] <JairunCaloth> Ok, I'm reading something that refers to the /etc/modules.d file, but I don't have that....
[09:32] <Razor-X_> i'm getting the urge to googlewhack now....
[09:33] <billytwowilly> bigfoot: no, because sun = losers
[09:33] <billytwowilly> bigfoot: there is a howto in the documentation for ubuntu though.
[09:33] <JairunCaloth> I've got a googlewhack..... I don't remember what it is though
[09:33] <kisain> kamping you ok man?
[09:33] <Razor-X_> I have tons of 'em ;)
[09:33] <Razor-X_> I'm a veteran Googlewhacker
[09:33] <bob2> bigfoot: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[09:33] <billytwowilly> lol
[09:34] <kisain> it's actually pritty easy to put java on yer system
[09:34] <billytwowilly> so, another feature I'd like to see in konversation is the ability to see too many joins happening simultaneously and mute them;)
[09:34] <bob2> bigfoot: sun releases their Java implementation under a license that means no Free linux distribution can include it, sadly.  there are a number of other people producing their own java systems, which can be freely distributed, but they're not quite complete enough yet.
[09:35] <Razor-X_> billytwowilly: in BitchX too ;)
[09:35] <tga> I can't seem to find any Eclipse packages
[09:35] <tga> am I missing something?
[09:36] <crimsun> nope.
[09:36] <crimsun> relates to the Java issue that bob2 stated
[09:37] <Razor-X_> I'm hearing about a Java project that's come real close to the original
[09:37] <billytwowilly> harmony? gcj?
[09:38] <bob2> classpath is the closest, afai
[09:38] <JairunCaloth> /etc/modules.d/nvidia
[09:39] <JairunCaloth> what might the same file be under ubuntu?
[09:39] <JairunCaloth> because I don't have that one
[09:39] <kisain> i just discoverd how klinkstatus might come in handy
[09:39] <kisain> ^_^
[09:39] <bob2> JairunCaloth: why do you want it?
[09:39] <billytwowilly> wow. ubuntu has more users in their chan than debian..
[09:40] <billytwowilly> that's a wee bit embarassing..
[09:40] <bob2> not really
[09:40] <kisain> why considering that ubuntu is debian
[09:40] <JairunCaloth> bob2: trying to set some stuff that is supposed to give me some more FPS with my gfx card
[09:41] <bob2> JairunCaloth: if they're module parameters, set them in /etc/modules, I assume
[09:41] <billytwowilly> so now that all the joining has settled down, I shall ask my question again.
[09:41] <billytwowilly> hello, I'm looking for a a todo program where I can add things I need to do the task to the task. ie. If I put "phone bill" in there I want to be able to tell it I need a phone to do the task, then if I have a phone handy I want to be able to see what tasks I can do later by filtering by "have phone"
[09:42] <billytwowilly> any suggestions?
[09:42] <JairunCaloth> bob2: I don't have a /etc/modules
[09:42] <JairunCaloth> I've got a /etc/modprobe.d and a /etc/modutils
[09:42] <bob2> JairunCaloth: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1" print out?
[09:43] <Amaranth> billytwowilly: irssi can detect netsplits and only show one line for the start of the split and one line for the end
[09:43] <JairunCaloth> bob2: ii  libc6          2.3.2.ds1-20ub GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
[09:43] <bob2> how odd
[09:44] <JairunCaloth> how comforting.....
[09:44] <billytwowilly> Amaranth: but then I'd have to give up the purty of konversation;) The person looking for that feature in bitchx should listen up though;)
[09:45] <codingmaster> hello people
[09:45] <JairunCaloth> bob2: what did that line just tell me?
[09:45] <codingmaster> I'm having trouble with apt and dpkg after an crashed kernel update
[09:45] <bigfoot> billytwowilly, bob2, i'm now on the wiki webpage you told be about. I'm going to go with Method 1 (Use Sun Java packages prebuilt for Ubuntu), but which sub-option should I use: a,b, or c?
[09:45] <bob2> JairunCaloth: nothing, really
[09:46] <codingmaster> I'm just able to get on the shell, when I break up the boot process
[09:46] <codingmaster> I can load my network card module and also setup the net
[09:46] <codingmaster> my problem is that apt / dpkg isn't working anymore
[09:46] <billytwowilly> bigfoot: no idea. I grabbed debs from some guy before he was shutdown...
[09:47] <codingmaster> I get this error: pivot_root not found ---> unable to create initrd image, when I try to install an other kernel package
[09:47] <bigfoot> billytwowilly, oh, i see. you mean you didn't go thru the steps in the ubuntu.java webpage?
[09:47] <bob2> bigfoot: I don't know which is better or whatever, I just got the .bin and installed it into my home directory
[09:47] <bigfoot> bob2, using synaptic?
[09:47] <codingmaster> any ideas?
[09:47] <bob2> bigfoot: me? no.
[09:47] <codingmaster> what pivot_root is?
[09:47] <bigfoot> isn't using synaptic the best way? You see, I'm a a beginner in Ubuntu/linux?
[09:47] <bigfoot> .
[09:47] <Amaranth> you can't use synaptic to install java, you have to do it from a terminal
[09:47] <billytwowilly> bigfoot: nope, someone posted on ubuntuforums that they had a repository up with debs, so I downloaded from there. That repository is gone now though I think.
[09:48] <Amaranth> since Sun licensed it how they did
[09:48] <soujiro> i tried to install linuxdcpp , and this error keeps coming up :  warning: this is the location of the previous definition , what should i do :)?
[09:48] <bob2> soujiro: don't use it then, it;s broken
[09:48] <bob2> assuming that came from the linker
[09:49] <codingmaster> hey, does someone know pivot_root?
[09:49] <Amaranth> nope
[09:49] <soujiro> and what dc++ client can i use then ?
[09:49] <bob2> codingmaster: ask on the user list, it seems no one here knows how to fix it
[09:49] <bigfoot> Amaranth, okay, but before installing Java, it must be downloaded first, right?
[09:49] <bob2> soujiro: there's a qt one
[09:49] <codingmaster> ok
[09:49] <codingmaster> what the channel for the user lit
[09:49] <wdh> codingmaster, stop asking things multiple time
[09:49] <codingmaster> *list
[09:49] <Amaranth> bigfoot: yeah, from sun's website
[09:49] <codingmaster> ok
[09:49] <codingmaster> ok
[09:49] <bob2> codingmaster: it's a mailing list
[09:49] <codingmaster> ok
[09:49] <bob2> codingmaster: http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[09:49] <codingmaster> is there a devel channel?
[09:50] <Amaranth> bug the developers about it and you'll probably piss them off
[09:50] <codingmaster> well
[09:50] <bob2> there is, but you don't have a development question
[09:50] <Amaranth> since it's a user question
[09:50] <codingmaster> I found nothing about pivot_root
[09:51] <wdh> codingmaster, try typing what you want before entering.. all those short sentences can be quite annoying
[09:51] <Myrtti> does Ubuntu have submount in it?
[09:51] <bob2> Myrtti: do you mean smbmount?
[09:51] <Myrtti> no, submount
[09:51] <Amaranth> codingmaster: It's in util-linux
[09:51] <gate15269> go to knopix
[09:51] <Amaranth> codingmaster: Are you on breezy?
[09:51] <g14> Myrtti: No, submount is crap compared to project utopia
[09:51] <codingmaster> well it pisses me off, that there's nothing about pivot_root and it should be in /usr/sbin/, I've tried to fix apt and dpkg, but still get those errors, but thanks, I'll try to use the maling list
[09:51] <gate15269> talk about ubuntu
[09:52] <codingmaster> yes, I'm on breezy
[09:52] <Myrtti> ok, just checking
[09:52] <bob2> codingmaster: bah
[09:52] <codingmaster> lol
[09:52] <bob2> codingmaster: /topic
[09:52] <Amaranth> codingmaster: That's your problem, you don't have the latest util-linux. The one you have is missing many things (some needed to boot).
[09:52] <g14> Myrtti: Project utopia is hal, hotplug, udev, and the 2.6 kernel. So it works better than submount
[09:52] <Myrtti> I wanted to know if that was what broke up few weeks ago when automounting didn't work.
[09:52] <billytwowilly> lol
[09:53] <billytwowilly> codingmaster: if you can't install java yourself you probably shouldn't be on breezy....
[09:53] <Amaranth> bob2: No one reads the topic. :/ The ones who do don't see to care.
[09:53] <codingmaster> ok, ok, I'm on breezy, because I need some newer libraries for development also a working gcc 4.0, ---> Amaranth: I'll try to upgrade util-linux
[09:53] <g14> Myrtti: Alot of the time, restarting the hal daemon will fix that. I had printer issues with fc3 when updating the hal rpm and it stopping the hal daemon. Just a thought
[09:53] <bigfoot> Amaranth, according to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java, the best way to get an up-to-date Java installation is "Method 1: Use Sun Java packages prebuilt for Ubuntu." I'm a bit unsure of how to proceed now...
[09:53] <Amaranth> bob2: I say we refuse to help people who don't listen. ;)
[09:53] <codingmaster> what? what do you mean with java? --> I didn't ask about java and I have java installed, what are you talking about???
[09:53] <Amaranth> bigfoot: Listen to the wiki then.
[09:53] <Myrtti> g14: I have it fixed now, so no worry
[09:54] <bigfoot> Amaranth, hope you're not upset... I just wasn't sure what to do...
[09:54] <billytwowilly> codingmaster: go download hoary, install it and come back if java still doesn't work. to quote the topic "PLEASE DON"T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY"
[09:55] <Amaranth> bigfoot: I'm not, I just don't use java. :)
[09:55] <codingmaster> @billytwowilly: WTF??? are you talking about???
[09:55] <billytwowilly> you said you were on breezy didn't you?
[09:55] <Amaranth> billytwowilly: He doens't need java, bigfoot does.
[09:55] <billytwowilly> lol
[09:55] <codingmaster> I didn't ask anything about java!!! I just had problems with pivot_root, which seems not to be on my system anymore
[09:55] <billytwowilly> Ok, it's too late, Ii'm going to bed;)
[09:55] <billytwowilly> My eyes and brain are playing tricks on me.
[09:56] <billytwowilly> sorry codingmaster
[09:56] <codingmaster> lol, np, just stop telling me, that I have to install Java or I get mad
[09:57] <bigfoot> Can someone help a newbie (ahem) with some instructions on a wiki page, please?
[09:57] <bob2> best to just ask
[09:57] <Amaranth> bob2: Maybe we should put something in the topic about not helping with problems with breezy? Might scare people into using hoary unless they know what they're doing.
[09:57] <bob2> Amaranth: of course, that still requires people to read it ;p
[09:58] <p0m> Research shows that one in thirty will read the topic.
[09:58] <_seth> I will be honet. I never really do.
[09:58] <Amaranth> Research shows that twenty-nine in thirty will install breezy and ask for help. ;)
[09:58] <Razor-X_> 1 in 30?
[09:58] <Razor-X_> far far FAR less
[09:58] <p0m> If it's my first time in a room, I'll read it.
[09:59] <_seth> This is pissing me off. I'm paying for a 3.5Mbps line, so why the hell am I only getting 2.79Mbps?!
[09:59] <Amaranth> Since hoary was basically stable from the start people expect breezy to be soon. They don't realize that they just got lucky.
[09:59] <codingmaster> @_seth: are you in germany??? / cause I also have a 3.5Mbps
[10:00] <Amaranth> _seth: 3.5Mbps is the theoretical max you can ever get, you'll usually never hit it.
[10:00] <tga> I don't know why people want to use breezy so bad
[10:00] <_seth> codingmaster, no, I'm in USA. I'm paying $21/month for 3.5/768 DSL line.
[10:00] <Amaranth> tga: It makes them feel special.
[10:00] <bigfoot> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java tells of many methods of getting Java. But it recommends "Method 1: Use Sun Java packages prebuilt for Ubuntu." But under this "method 1", there are 3 options. I have no idea which is best. Anyone, advice/clarification please?
[10:00] <codingmaster> oh... it's really cheap
[10:00] <Razor-X_> so, i'm a gonna make my netsplit game with the help of some friends
[10:00] <toresbe> I have a solution to the problem
[10:00] <toresbe> just put "READ THE TOPIC!!" in the /topic :P
[10:00] <Amaranth> we need a bot like apt
[10:01] <\sh> Amaranth: i think it's the problem, that nothing's updated in hoary...so they're frustrated and trying breezy, so they have something to play. it's the gentoo phenomenon
[10:01] <Amaranth> Break My Ubuntu ;)
[10:01] <bob2> bigfoot: I don't think it matters much
[10:02] <_seth> Amaranth, well I'd like to be within .2Mbps, since I'm the only person in my area with Verizon Online. I know this because my SRD was pushed back a few days because they had to put some shit into a box.
[10:02] <bob2> bigfoot: c looks fine at a glance
[10:02] <Amaranth> Of course, I'm using breezy as well so...
[10:03] <bigfoot> bob2, but option 1 talks about Warty (i have Hoary), and option 3 talks about VirtualMachine (I don't know if I need a Virtual Machine)
[10:03] <Amaranth> java is a virtual machine
[10:04] <bob2> bigfoot: yes, you do need it
[10:04] <bigfoot> bob2, all right. i'll do option 3 then, i suppose.
[10:04] <bob2> it'd be hard to make broken java .debs
[10:04] <Amaranth> I think my breezy excuse is better than most. I'm writing applications for breezy. :)
[10:04] <tga> what are you writing Amaranth?
[10:05] <Amaranth> smeg
[10:05] <tga> which is..
[10:05] <bigfoot> bob2, method 3 has two versions, which should i get? And is either the latest version?
[10:05] <Razor-X_> "A googlewhacking we go.... a googlewhacking we go..."
[10:05] <Amaranth> tga: http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ a menu editor
[10:05] <bigfoot> two versions of Java, i mean.
[10:05] <bob2> bigfoot: the latter
[10:05] <George__> hey
[10:05] <George__> hey
[10:06] <bigfoot> bob2, just wondering: why would anyone want to download the former, then?
[10:06] <Amaranth> George__: Hi there. You don't have to repeat yourself. ;)
[10:06] <George__> it's 4:00am
[10:06] <bob2> bigfoot: some stuff might not work in 1.5, I guess
[10:06] <George__> i gotta question
[10:06] <bob2> I don't follow how compatible java is
[10:06] <Razor-X_> not everywhere, it isn't a)
[10:06] <George__> I "
[10:06] <George__> i "wrote" on my side of case wtih permanent marker, want to remove how do i ?
[10:06] <Razor-X_> *;)
[10:07] <George__> i tried nail polish, detergent, dish soap, soap, water, swifer wet cloth thing
[10:07] <Razor-X_> ..... this is Ubuntu help, not permanent-marker help
[10:07] <George__> o c ome on
[10:07] <George__> lol :)
[10:07] <Amaranth> George__: You're joking, right? This is Ubuntu help, not Silly-things-with-hardware help. Also, they call it "permanent" for a reason.
[10:07] <Madpilot> George__: isoproply alcohol might shift it before your parents get mad at you...
[10:07] <George__> anyhow, what's new ubuntu gonna be called
[10:07] <Amaranth> George__: Write something dirty on your case and need to remove it before your parents see? :D
[10:07] <Razor-X_> you remind me of a really really stupid English essay I wrote last year
[10:08] <Madpilot> *isopropyl
[10:08] <Amaranth> George__: breezy badger
[10:08] <George__> ... this is my dad's 2,000 dollar machine, and no
[10:08] <Amaranth> George__: look at the topic before you think about it :)
[10:08] <George__> breezy badger :D sounds funny
[10:08] <\sh> hihihi
[10:08] <Amaranth> Madpilot: Can you get that undiluted enough to do anything?
[10:08] <bob2> why did you write on someone else's $2000 computer?
[10:08] <tga> George__: you wrote on your dad's $2000 machine, that sounds even funnier
[10:08] <\sh> now i read "dad's 2000US$ machine"
[10:08] <Razor-X_> look, you obviously have lenient parents ;)
[10:09] <George__> well it's 4:00am and i was ripping dvds
[10:09] <Amaranth> Madpilot: Also, isn't that what's in nail polish remover?
[10:09] <George__> i went to write on dvd and the freaken top open
[10:09] <Madpilot> Amaranth: got some pure iso alc from my father, he got it from the university.
[10:09] <Razor-X_> my dad's $600 machine he won't let me change the theme on Windows
[10:09] <George__> so i made a check mark on the case (pretty small)
[10:09] <Razor-X_> your parents must be pretty nice
[10:09] <George__> lol... i also have my machine 2
[10:09] <Razor-X_> so do I
[10:09] <tga> George__: omg, run away before he sees it!
[10:09] <Razor-X_> it's a P100
[10:09] <Amaranth> Razor-X_: My stepdad got pissed when I installed Firefox on his windows machine.
[10:09] <George__> it's k
[10:10] <Razor-X_> Amaranth: ahh, then i'm not the oly one
[10:10] <Kimppa> Hi.. I'm running apache2 as my web server, but I'm having problems with scandinavien characters. How can I chage it so that it uses iso-8859-15?
[10:10] <George__> sucks, but hey...
[10:10] <tga> I install firefox on everyone's machine, whether they want/know it or not
[10:10] <George__> what the time out there?
[10:10] <Razor-X_> my parents find it beneficial to restrict everything I do, including bathroom time
[10:10] <Amaranth> 3am here
[10:10] <Kimppa> or is it even an apache problem?P
[10:10] <George__> 4AM
[10:10] <Razor-X_> over here, it's 1:110 AM
[10:10] <Razor-X_> and, I was much more lucid last night at 4 AM
[10:10] <Madpilot> Amaranth: :) we got FF & Opera on my stepmother's machine, but she STILL uses IE... aren't parents fun?
[10:10] <Amaranth> tga: On my grandma's computer I installed firefox and made it look like IE (including the shortcut icons and name).
[10:10] <George__> pain in the arse :D lol
[10:10] <Razor-X_> not that my parents normally let me stay up that long with my sister, they randomly wake up to get her milk and check up on me)
[10:11] <Razor-X_> I had a "project" to do last night
[10:11] <George__> great
[10:11] <George__> i get alchol
[10:11] <George__> want something 2 drink
[10:11] <Amaranth> tga: She never noticed. Then again, I formatted her HD and reinstalled windows once and since I put the wallpaper back she didn't notice that either.
[10:11] <tga> Kimppa: take a look at AddCharset
[10:11] <Kimppa> ok
[10:11] <George__> Amaranth: some people just plain dumb with computers
[10:11] <tga> Kimppa: it might also be a page/browser problem
[10:12] <\sh> George__: face your dad and tell him: "Hey Dad, I found out, that your 2000 USD looks so boring so I was drawing a nice picture on it" ,-)
[10:12] <codingmaster> @geoge: lol
[10:12] <Razor-X_> you know what I think the best advantage of this trackball is?
[10:12] <tga> George__: yeah, they write checkmarks on them
[10:12] <Razor-X_> my dad can't tell when i'm moving my mous frentically
[10:12] <Kimppa> tga: doubt it, because I've tested it with different browsers and always get the same problem. And the problem only occures on my test server
[10:12] <\sh> *rotfl* stop stop stop..it's sunday and I can't hold my coffee in my mouth....
[10:12] <Razor-X_> because, it all looks teh same ;)
[10:12] <George__> we had a costumer, who had a power sarge. He comes to store and says ur parts are wrong. We say no, and this guy goes to Future shop where it goes fooked even more. IN the end. He got so screwed
[10:12] <Amaranth> George__: Yeah, like those ones who write in permanent marker on someone else's computer and then ask for help on IRC. :D
[10:12] <George__> lol. I read about it
[10:12] <George__> didn't help me sh*T
[10:13] <Razor-X_> how much sleep do you need a day,man?
[10:13] <George__> i 2 lazy to get on ubuntu
[10:13] <George__> me?
[10:13] <Madpilot> WTH? my CDROM won't open, and Ubuntu won't eject it...
[10:13] <tga> Razor-X_: man sleep
[10:13] <Razor-X_> tga: eh?
[10:13] <George__> I Neeeeeeeeeddddddddddddddddddddddd to sleep but i'm not tired
[10:13] <tga> Madpilot: the cdrom won't eject while it's mounted
[10:13] <Amaranth> Madpilot: A non-interruptible process is holding it? Were you burning a CD?
[10:13] <Razor-X_> George__: well, if you make _that_ much of a blunder at just 4 AM, you obviously need a hell of a lot of sleep
[10:14] <George__> hey, i was so freaken bored
[10:14] <Razor-X_> I got no sleep yesterday and was still more lucid than you
[10:14] <George__> na
[10:14] <Madpilot> tga: I was ripping a CD, Juicer ended & I hit "Eject" - which has been working in the past - and it claimed it wouldn't eject
[10:14] <George__> i was bored
[10:14] <Razor-X_> well, you weren't up doing a Biology project
[10:14] <George__> that's all
[10:14] <Madpilot> the button on the front of the CDROM won't work either...?
[10:14] <George__> i was up doing history, and book report
[10:14] <Amaranth> Madpilot: kill sound juicer
[10:14] <whoiam55> someone good with pop/smtp ?
[10:14] <Razor-X> George__: hah, I see
[10:14] <_seth> Anyone know good sites to get GNOME themes?
[10:14] <George__> my history is 8 pages long, and my book report 10
[10:14] <ghita> when i try to play this link in totem i get "http://live.kissfm.ro/live-high.ro.m3u i get Totem could not play 'http://live-ro.sns.ro:8080/live-high.ogg'.There is no plugin to handle this movie."
[10:14] <Razor-X> Biology is a Junior class, but i'm a Freshman, so my teacher is happy with me
[10:15] <George__> book report 10 cuz we got templates :D
[10:15] <Madpilot> Amaranth: Juicer is already shut down.
[10:15] <Razor-X> George__: I write that much for books for fun
[10:15] <George__> history is about upper and lower canada, riots, etc
[10:15] <Razor-X> and my report
[10:15] <Razor-X> was a 34 slide one
[10:15] <Amaranth> oh fun, more splits
[10:15] <Razor-X> the teacher's gonna have fun ^_^
[10:15] <George__> plus i got a 20 slide, powerpoint i am working on for the darn project
[10:15] <George__> now i gonna go get drunk playing cs source
[10:15] <George__> peice
[10:15] <George__> ah shoot
[10:16] <George__> FREAKEN CEDEGA
[10:16] <Razor-X> I have a powerpoin/word/excel i'm working for for Computers
[10:16] <Razor-X> and a _huge_ lit report due in English Honors....
[10:16] <George__> openoffice, or wars
[10:16] <George__> i'm in grade 7
[10:16] <Razor-X> *powerpoint
[10:16] <Amaranth> Razor-X: I turned in a 17 page paper on the DMCA for my junior english class once. The teacher had to keep looking things up in a book to make sure I was citing court cases correctly and stuff. She hated me after that. :)
[10:16] <George__> who cares bout work?
[10:16] <bigfoot> i'm trying to add a new repository to synaptic but nothing's happening. anyone, help?
[10:16] <Razor-X> I still typed better than you then ;)
[10:16] <Razor-X> George__: whe I was your age, I had a friggin 4.0
[10:16] <Razor-X> *when
[10:16] <George__> he he
[10:16] <George__> oldest machine i got is a atari
[10:17] <Razor-X> now, that's a bit harder to maintain with all honors classes
[10:17] <George__> it still works
[10:17] <Razor-X> damn -_-
[10:17] <George__> i got a
[10:17] <George__> 486 that was bout 2,000 bux back then
[10:17] <Razor-X> same here
[10:17] <George__> me got tons of old shit
[10:17] <Razor-X> that's technically "my machine"
[10:17] <George__> ah fook y i swear?
[10:18] <Razor-X> and, it has DSL running on it
[10:18] <Amaranth> i keep it in a closet somewhere, dunno why i still have it
[10:18] <Razor-X> but, I don't like to keep it up for too long, as this room is hot enough as it is
[10:18] <George__> my 486 is a dell
[10:18] <ghita> i got a sinclair Z80
[10:18] <George__> im' out cs source
[10:18] <George__> i got 10 machines at home
[10:18] <George__> Cyrix, AMD k6, AMD DURON, P3,
[10:18] <George__> etc
[10:19] <George__> linux helps so much
[10:19] <Amaranth> my first computer was an apple ] [, even though i'm only 18. my parents were cheap. :)
[10:19] <Seveas> lol Amaranth
[10:19] <Razor-X> my parents only have 2 machines
[10:19] <Seveas> my parents never bought a pc
[10:19] <Razor-X> my mo is anti-computers
[10:20] <Razor-X> *mom
[10:20] <Razor-X> so, therefore, we don't buy 'em
[10:20] <Razor-X> or upgrade 'em
[10:20] <Razor-X> we have "better" uses for our money
[10:20] <Seveas> :)
[10:21] <Seveas> but i still have 3 computers, of wich 2 are laptops
[10:21] <bob2> but nonetheless 53
[10:21] <Razor-X> my parents have 2 over a 12 year period
[10:21] <Seveas> :] 
[10:21] <qiqo> i have a cybercafe, thats all
[10:21] <Seveas> lol qiqo :)
[10:22] <qiqo> no kidding man
[10:22] <qiqo> hehe
[10:22] <Seveas> i wouldn't want one
[10:22] <qiqo> issshhh its a pain in d a$$ to have one..
[10:22] <qiqo> but our family has 4
[10:22] <Seveas> usually i work on a 256machine cluster (all dual xeon 3ghz machines)
[10:22] <qiqo> and i tend to manage them all.. duh
[10:23] <qiqo> someone from ubuntu emailed my, i was ordering 200+ cds
[10:23] <qiqo> hehe..
[10:23] <qiqo> *me
[10:23] <Seveas> lol :)
[10:23] <qiqo> he asked me if where will i use those cds..
[10:23] <qiqo> i told him i gonna distribute em on my school..
[10:23] <Seveas> http://www.sara.nl/userinfo/lisa/description/index.html
[10:23] <qiqo> : >
[10:24] <Seveas> that's my work cluster (well it's not mine, i just work on it)
[10:24] <bigfoot> wow, the Java package is 65MBs! I was expecting it to be only less than 5 megabytes!
[10:24] <hac> When I upgrade Amule,I lost all the credits?
[10:24] <bob2> java is huge
[10:24] <Razor-X> in fact, my trackball is the first peripheral we ever bought
[10:24] <Razor-X> ever
[10:24] <Razor-X> and we only upgraded twice, both on the old machine
[10:24] <qiqo> IBM donated a mainframe to our school, dunno what happened to that
[10:25] <qiqo> i hope it is still in good hands
[10:26] <Madpilot> hi all - did anyone else just get dropped from #ubuntu, or was Opera just being odd at my end?
[10:26] <Razor-X> one was a 14.4 k modem to 56.6 k modem upgrade
[10:26] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, use a non-free browser, and what do you expect
[10:26] <codingmaster> maybe you've got a timeout
[10:26] <Razor-X> Madpilot: netsplit
[10:27] <Razor-X> or timeout
[10:27] <codingmaster> lol
[10:27] <Razor-X> the other upgrade was a 8 MB RAM to 32 MB upgrade
[10:27] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: no beer for you next you come over, boy!
[10:27] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, shucks. I have to sleep. have to get up tomorrow at 8:15
[10:27] <codingmaster> just updated my 100 mhz box with 16mb ram and 2 gb diskspace
[10:27] <codingmaster> to 32 mb
[10:28] <codingmaster> it runs as server with openbsd
[10:28] <Razor-X> it's a 100 mhz box
[10:28] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: you mean *today* at 0815?
[10:28] <codingmaster> 486 amd
[10:28] <Razor-X> 486 P1
[10:28] <codingmaster> I'd like to have a p1
[10:28] <Razor-X> I can make it a server, but it generates way too much heat
[10:28] <codingmaster> amd 846 sucks
[10:28] <Madpilot> blasted CDROM is still refusing to open... short of using the emerg. thing on the front of it, any ideas, anyone?
[10:29] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, yes
[10:29] <qiqo> why dont u use a paper clip
[10:29] <Razor-X> Madpilot: how about a mini-explosive that's shorter than the emergency thing? ;)
[10:29] <Burgundavia> can you eject the disk?
[10:29] <Razor-X> qiqo: I believe that's the emergency release
[10:30] <qiqo> yeah, why dont he use that?
[10:30] <Madpilot> no ejection, either with the drive's button or any of Ubuntu's Eject functions.
[10:30] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, try 'sudo eject' on the commandline
[10:30] <qiqo> hmmm...
[10:30] <Madpilot> it still works otherwise, reads the audio CD that's stuck in there...
[10:30] <qiqo> reboot perharps?
[10:30] <qiqo> hhehee..
[10:31] <Madpilot> OK, sudo eject worked. now let's see if it'll lock when I close it again...
[10:32] <Burgundavia> basically the code from gnome-cd is total crap
[10:32] <Burgundavia> and quite often doesn't let go of the cd, thus forcing a root eject
[10:33] <Razor-X> stupid Gnome ;)
[10:33] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: it locked up again... I didn't even realize that the software could override the drive's eject button
[10:34] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, mostly the issue is that most cdroms break the standard
[10:34] <Razor-X> Madpilot: as far as I know, the eject button calls a software hook
[10:34] <Razor-X> *knew
[10:34] <Burgundavia> and thus someone needs to figure out which cds respond in which ways
[10:34] <Burgundavia> and then code a list
[10:34] <sysLink> hi :)
[10:34] <zzyber> Hi, i hope someone can help me with this problem. I have bought a usb pc link cable for my mobile phone (samsung e700 or e710) and i need to get my photos out of the phone. When i connect i get a message in dmesg that PL-2303 converter is loaded and now attached to ttyUSB0. I dont know what to do now, i have seen some instructions that is to link ttyUSB0 to /dev/modem and then use a PPP software to connect but i have tried and failed, ca
[10:34] <zzyber> n someone give me a hint or guide me a little. Im all bound to linux becouse all of my, my children and my wifes computers are running linux.
[10:34] <Madpilot> these have both been audio CDs that got stuck, not CDROMs...
[10:34] <Burgundavia> but gnome-cd is really not seen much active development for severa years
[10:35] <Razor-X> zzyber: well, I knew this is a bit cold but, is a modem and a USB link the same thing?
[10:36] <tga> zzyber: you don't need to use ppp software to get stuff out of the phone, try multisync
[10:36] <Razor-X> wow, googlewhacks are getting harder and harder to perform
[10:36] <zzyber> tga, multisync, i will check
[10:37] <Razor-X> if you don't explain the problem, nobody ever really learns, I guess
[10:37] <zzyber> Razor-X, the guide was becouse kppp couldnt use a device called ttyUSB0 but in the list kppp used modem as default........crazy :-)
[10:38] <tga> zzyber: you use ppp stuff when you try to connect to the net through the phone
[10:38] <tga> zzyber: accessing the phone's memory is a different thing
[10:38] <Madpilot> so, aside from "because the code is crap", why has the cd-drive handling software suddenly started acting up? anyone?
[10:38] <zzyber> tga, ye im all for that to, it felt strange
[10:38] <thoreauputic> zzyber: apt-cache show multisync also mentions "libmultisync-plugin-all."
[10:38] <Razor-X> Madpilot: because the code is shit?
[10:39] <Madpilot> Razor-X: thanks, that's helpful! :) it's going to be irritating, having to use sudo just to change CDs...
[10:39] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, I have had it from the day I started using linux. There is talk on the horizon of better code, but don't expect it in Breezy
[10:39] <Razor-X> Madpilot: glad to be of service ;)
[10:40] <Razor-X> that's why you don't use Gnome ;)
[10:40] <Madpilot> oh good. I'll just start leaving a terminal open while I'm ripping CDs...
[10:40] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, in my experience, of ripping my (your) vast cd collection, about 1 in 3 do it
[10:41] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: so I'm just hitting the wrong CDs tonight, to get three in a row?
[10:41] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, yes
[10:41] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, it may also be soundjuicer, not letting go of the cds
[10:41] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: try setting /usr/bin/eject suid root ( chmod +s /usr/bin/eject )
[10:42] <Madpilot> oh well. I can't complain, considering I never even found safe, working free ripping software in Windows!
[10:42] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, there are at least 4 that I can think off the top of my head, and that is just gtk
[10:43] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I had problems with `eject`, so I set ti as above and it works OK now (this is just a home network)
[10:43] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: thnx, will try that when the latest CD is finished ripping.
[10:43] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, that is a minor security risk, but not worse than runnign Windows
[10:44] <zzyber> tga, okey, i have tried multisync but it seems to be a solution only for evolution calendars, contacts and so on. Maybe there is a .conf file for showing it ttyUSB0 to sync against........i dont know. Do you use multisync for a phone. And also do you know if its possible to mount the phone to access it?
[10:45] <thabbas> Hi. I'm trying to do a scan with xsane on my Umax Astra scanner. All is working fine up to the point where xsane should save the image: The program just hangs.
[10:45] <thabbas> I have to unplug the scanner or use xkill to close xsane. I also have checked access permissions for the configured directories. Any other possible hooks?
[10:45] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: your settings will basically cause every eject command to be issued as "sudo eject", more or less?
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: yes, more or less
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: it will "think" root is running the eject program
[10:47] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: OK, that makes sense - as does Burgundavia's comment on security...
[10:47] <ComPro> hello
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: yes, suid root *is* a risk: but a pretty small one in this case I'd say
[10:48] <thabbas> Hey! I just let xsane run in the background while being here. Guess what: It took xsane five minutes, but now it saved the file!
[10:48] <thabbas> So, it is working, basically. But why does it take so freakin' long?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> anything you suid root is a risk. That is why the Ubuntu team has spent a lot of time removing those suid bits
[10:48] <Bramme> can someone give me a good howto for making a VCD out of a DIVX ?
[10:49] <_seth> Bramme, if you get Nero for Linux, it can do it for you.
[10:49] <thoreauputic> BurgerMann: agreed, but in a private network at home with a router, isn't it a bit paranoid to worry about suid on a CD-ROM ?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> oops, Burgundavia, of course
[10:50] <sysLink> can anyone here help me out with some gpg questions?
[10:50] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, in security, there is no paranoia that is too great
[10:51] <bob2> sysLink: best to just ask
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: OK ;-)
[10:51] <sysLink> heh, ok, I wanted to upload my key to a key server but it wants the ASCII-armored version. How the heck do I get that? i have had gpg extract the key into a .asc file but not sure where to go from there, been searching on google for a bit.
[10:51] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, that being said, that is the work of developers and sys admins. No home user should ever have to even think about security. That is where MS is going all wrong
[10:52] <bob2> sysLink: gpg --keyserver whatever.com --send-key <keyid>
[10:52] <bob2> sysLink: er, send-keys
[10:52] <Madpilot> well, if gnome's CD handling was better, I at least wouldn't have to worry about this minor security breach...
[10:52] <sysLink> ok ill give that a shot :) I was using thier web interface
[10:52] <ComPro> i have an hp cd-writer 8230e that ubuntu 'hoary' does not seem to like. if i plug it in while booted, it does not recognize the device, and if i try to boot up the computer with it plugged in, it won't boot. is there any way i can get ubuntu to work with this device?
[10:53] <sysLink> bob2:: thanks, sorry forgot to address the above msg to you :-p
[10:53] <Seveas> sysLink, if you want an ascii-armored output for that interface: gpg --export --armor $KEYID
[10:53] <sysLink> Seveas:: thanks! :)
[10:53] <Seveas> sysLink, man gpg ;)
[10:53] <zzyber> multisync seems like i nice project but samsung is not listed as a tested device, to bad! So what do you guys think? Should my phone be mounted as a device or does the communication being astablished another way?
[10:54] <kisai1> hey bob2 can ubuntu use software raid
[10:54] <tonquin> hi all, I'm trying to get sound working in firefox under ubuntu.  I can play cd's and mp3's but links to either format from firefox are silent.  do i need w3codecs (can't find them in synaptic) or some other magic setting?
[10:54] <bob2> kisai1: of course...
[10:54] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: if your CD starts ejecting repeatedly while you are on IRC, check your firewall *grin*
[10:54] <sysLink> Seveas:: what is that supposed to mean? :-p
[10:54] <kisai1> how do i set it up or do i have to do that before install?
[10:54] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: I'm on broadband, so it might happen anytime... :)
[10:55] <Seveas> sysLink, type that in a terminal and you'll see gpg's manual page
[10:55] <Bramme> _seth, nerolinux is only for suse, debian and fedora isn't it ?
[10:55] <_seth> Bramme, no.
[10:55] <_seth> Bramme, works perfect for me.
[10:55] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: looking up your IP.... ;-)
[10:55] <bob2> kisai1: you want to use software raid on /?
[10:55] <ComPro> could somebody please help me out?
[10:55] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: after whoever got thru the hardware router & everything else...
[10:55] <xavier_> Hi all, I'm trying to get Ubuntu to recoginize a USB key without sucess. Being a new user with Ubuntu, I looked at /dev for sda* but could found any trace of that. Can somebody help
[10:55] <bob2> ComPro: you need to ask a question first...
[10:55] <ComPro> i did
[10:55] <ComPro> "[03:52:55]  ComPro: i have an hp cd-writer 8230e that ubuntu 'hoary' does not seem to like. if i plug it in while booted, it does not recognize the device, and if i try to boot up the computer with it plugged in, it won't boot. is there any way i can get ubuntu to work with this device?"
[10:55] <_seth> He asked about the CD-RW not working.
[10:55] <ys76> kisai1, You may install Ubuntu with software raid. Check the expert option in the installer...
[10:55] <Bramme> _seth, how much does it cost ?
[10:55] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: exactly - I think you are pretty safe
[10:56] <kisai1> ok
[10:56] <kisai1> sweet
[10:56] <_seth> Bramme, free if you bought a Win32 version I believe. If not, you have a free 30 day trial.
[10:56] <kisai1> and this will improve data integrity yes
[10:56] <bob2> not really
[10:56] <sysLink> Seveas:: Thanks, your export is what I needed to upload via the webpage
[10:56] <kisai1> oh ok i though raid was for data integrity?
[10:57] <sysLink> bob2:: thanks as well as now I can upload from my computer directly :)
[10:57] <Bramme> ok
[10:57] <Bramme> thx _seth
[10:57] <bob2> kisai1: raid is, software raid doesn't win you much
[10:57] <_seth> Sure thing Bramme. If can encode the DivX to VCD for you. Takes a while, but it does it.
[10:57] <bob2> kisai1: unless one disk happens to fail and the other keeps working
[10:57] <kisai1> oh i see
[10:57] <_seth> Plus it's nice to be able to do everything all in one place.
[10:57] <bob2> I don't know how likely that is
[10:57] <ComPro> anyone?
[10:58] <_seth> Well, off to play Cube. Later guys.
[10:58] <bob2> ComPro: try asking on the user mailing list
[10:58] <treitter> Is it possible to move an install cd to a partition, chroot into the dir, and then run a normal install?
[10:59] <bob2> treitter: why?
[10:59] <ComPro> out of the 421 users in this room, that's the only answer?
[10:59] <treitter> more specifically, what's the name/location of the installer program?
[10:59] <treitter> bob2: I want to install, but my CD drive is dead
[10:59] <treitter> this is on a PPC, in case it matters
[10:59] <bob2> ComPro: er, 421 random people from around the world, half of who are asleep, and none of who have any obligation to help anyone...
[11:00] <bob2> treitter: you can pxeboot, then
[11:01] <ComPro> bub2: understandable, but based on the amount of knowledge displayed in the short time i've been in here, someone would have some sort of an idea.
[11:01] <ComPro> bob2*
[11:01] <bob2> my only thought would be that the drive is screwed
[11:01] <bob2> debugging other people's hardware via irc is tedious, too
[11:01] <ComPro> the drive works fine under windows me, 2000, and xp.
[11:01] <ys76> bob2, Or jumpered wrong...
[11:01] <treitter> bob2: well, I don't really have a working CD drive at all that I can use
[11:01] <ComPro> it also worked under debian
[11:02] <thoreauputic> ComPro: the mailing list is very high traffic: you have a much better chance there than on IRC of finding your answer
[11:02] <bob2> treitter: you can do it all over the network
[11:02] <treitter> bob2: cool
[11:03] <treitter> bob2: but if I can do it over the network, can't I do it locally? Or does the destination computer have to be booted into the network installer?
[11:03] <treitter> bob2: do you know if this is architecture specific?
[11:03] <bob2> treitter: your bios can boot the installer over the network.  yes it is arch-specific, but I'm pretty sure all new-world ppc's can do it
[11:04] <Seveas> treitter, i beleive there is a hoeto for this on the wiki
[11:04] <treitter> Seveas: yeah. I'm looking into it
[11:04] <tonquin> hi all, I'm trying to get sound working in firefox under ubuntu.  I can play cd's and mp3's but links to either format from firefox are silent.  do i need w3codecs (can't find them in synaptic) or some other magic setting?
[11:04] <kisai1> hoeto lol
[11:05] <Seveas> treitter, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search?SearchableText=netboot+install :)
[11:05] <Seveas> tonquin, what do you mean with "links to euther format"?
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[11:06] <Seveas> or <embed>?
[11:06] <Seveas> or plain <a href="some.mp3">?
[11:06] <treitter> Seveas: yeah. And there's even "Local Net Install", but it doesn't seem to be local at all
[11:07] <treitter> Seveas, bob2: thanks for pointing thist stuff out
[11:07] <treitter> but I just realized I probably shouldn't attempt an install at 2 in the morning :)
[11:07] <tonquin> seveas: i mean when i try to play an embeded .wav or .mp3 file from firefox...its doesn't work
[11:07] <thoreauputic> tonquin: do you get a pop up asking what you want to do with the file?
[11:07] <Seveas> tonquin, do you have a plugin that can handle these?
[11:08] <Seveas> because FF cannot handle them by default iirc
[11:08] <Amaranth> if firefox had mp3 and wav players built in everyone would scream bloat
[11:08] <Seveas> probably :)
[11:08] <tonquin> i can play either sound file happily from say, Filemanager...but from firefox they don't play.
[11:09] <Seveas> tonquin, so you should install a plugin that can handle these files
[11:09] <tonquin> thoreauputic: no, no popup happens at all.
[11:09] <Amaranth> tonquin: You need either the mplayer or vlc mozilla plugins
[11:09] <Madpilot> Amaranth: FF is kind of bloaty already to d/l...
[11:09] <thoreauputic> tonquin: sounds like you need something like mozilla-plugins ( I forget the exact package name) and possibly mplayer or similar
[11:09] <garo> I never worked with ubuntu or a othere debian based distro, but have a lot of experience with rpm-based distros and gentoo, i just installed ubuntu 4.10, how do i update it to the current release ?
[11:09] <tonquin> amaranth: i had mplayer installed but it didn't work either.  i'll ty vlc...haven't heard of it before.
[11:10] <Amaranth> Madpilot: True, but mostly only because linux doens't have 7zip.
[11:10] <Amaranth> tonquin: You need to install the mozilla plugin for mplayer.
[11:10] <Amaranth> err, the mplayer plugin for mozilla even
[11:10] <Amaranth> 4am :)
[11:10] <hannes_> mozplugger , totem,xine
[11:11] <tonquin> amaranth: ...sure i can try it again...
[11:11] <Madpilot> Amaranth: actually, was thinking of the d/l size for FF vs Opera, in the Windows releases...
[11:11] <Amaranth> Madpilot: 4MB vs 3MB?
[11:11] <thoreauputic> garo: basically you alter "warty" to "hoary" in /etc/apt/sources.list, then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:12] <Madpilot> Amaranth: previous release of FF, the one that was IIRC 11+ Mb - when Opera was ~4 Mb at the time...
[11:12] <pepsi> gam_server is hogging the cpu
[11:12] <pepsi> kill -HUP'ing it didnt help
[11:12] <thoreauputic> garo: that's pretty much it
[11:12] <Amaranth> Madpilot: You're comparing Opera to a release of Pheonix that had _all_ the mozilla suite code in it still?
[11:13] <garo> Does hoary use x.org or xfree ?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> xorg
[11:13] <Seveas> Size: 8787142
[11:13] <Seveas> for firefox
[11:14] <Madpilot> Amaranth: don't think so. one of the early FF releases, after it did become FF though
[11:14] <bob2> please don't read those values literally
[11:14] <qiqo> very funny... 400 hosts for starwars 3 in kad network
[11:14] <Amaranth> Madpilot: File: FirefoxSetup-0.8.exe  	6348 KB  	02/09/2004  	12:00:00 AM
[11:15] <Amaranth> Madpilot: So no, it wasn't after it became firefox. :)
[11:15] <garo> I am using a pretty new laptop with a ati card inside (radeon 9000IGP mobility), which drivers will ubuntu use ? Those from ati or the opensource drivers from the kernel ?
[11:15] <bob2> garo: by default the Free ones
[11:15] <Amaranth> garo: It should already be detected and using the opensource driver.
[11:15] <bob2> which I believe will do 3d acceleration for you
[11:15] <Amaranth> It will.
[11:16] <tonquin> amaranth: tried to reinstall mplayer but it can't install now. some dependancies are not installable
[11:16] <bob2> I don't know if 9000IGP < radeon 9600, tho
[11:16] <Amaranth> 3d acceleration is supported up to 9250
[11:16] <thoreauputic> tonquin: disable the marillat repos if you have them
[11:16] <Madpilot> Amaranth: maybe not. just remember being surprised by how much bigger the d/l vs Opera.
[11:16] <Amaranth> tonquin: You're either using breezy or using non-standard repositories.
[11:16] <garo> nice :)
[11:16] <tonquin> yeah i have them... i'll disable.
[11:16] <Amaranth> tonquin: Don't reenable them.
[11:17] <thoreauputic> tonquin: they keep changing and are out of step with ubuntu releases
[11:17] <Amaranth> tonquin: As you can see, they break things. :)
[11:17] <garo> Actually, the only reason that i installed ubuntu is that i can't get x.org to work fluently under gentoo on this laptop (i am big gentoo fan)
[11:18] <tonquin> amaranth: i see that...just used them cuz there was no w32codec available in the others.
[11:18] <garo> I had some ubuntu cd's here because i always give them to people that never used linux, so i was thinking, let's try it
[11:18] <garo> and it worked :)
[11:19] <Amaranth> Madpilot: The last time firefox was ever that big on windows was sometime before 0.6 :)
[11:19] <Amaranth> Madpilot: years ago
[11:19] <roadgo> hi ,all
[11:20] <Madpilot> Amaranth: this likely was yrs ago I noticed, then! :) Been an Opera user for a long time - since v4.xx in 1998 or 99 - so never paid much attention to FF...
[11:20] <apsuva> hi all how to /query command this server?
[11:20] <bob2> apsuva: what are you trying to do?
[11:20] <Amaranth> Madpilot: Actually I've just gone back all the way to 0.1 and can't find a time the windows version was that large.
[11:21] <apsuva> ./query bob2
[11:21] <bob2> no
[11:21] <bigfoot> hi all, i downloaded a game from the internet. It's a tar.bz2 file. I extracted the contents with the default program "archive manager." in the extracted stuff, there is a file called Install. How do I install it now? (by the way i want to install it to my home/gamename directory, for easy removal/uninstalling. help anyone?
[11:21] <bob2> bigfoot: did you read the Install file?
[11:21] <Madpilot> Amaranth: OK, I'm imagining things then... it is 0200 here... ;)
[11:22] <Amaranth> Madpilot: 0422 here :)
[11:22] <bigfoot> hi bob2, yes, it said something about building, and building with SDL. but i don't know what it means.
[11:22] <Amaranth> bigfoot: What game?
[11:22] <bigfoot> Amaranth, the game is called formido.
[11:22] <bob2> bigfoot: so, you need to say "I download this game foo (www.foo.com) and I read the Install doc, and it says to do foo bar and baz, but I don't know how.  Can someone explain what to do?"
[11:23] <Amaranth> wow, it's actually not in ubuntu :)
[11:23] <bigfoot> Amaranth, i don't have a GDL hardware, so i download "corny" games.
[11:23] <bigfoot> bob2, thanks for teaching me how to phrase my questions. Will do so from now on.
[11:24] <bob2> hope that didn't seem too patronising, but the phrasing is pretty important if you want quick help
[11:24] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: try pingus and frozen-bubble ;-)
[11:24] <bob2> plus, it shows that you're not just asking someone to do it for you, you want to figure it out for yourself
[11:25] <bigfoot> Hi thoreauputic, yup got those, any other recommendations for those without GDL hardware?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: both of those are in the repos (universe I think) and they are both fun
[11:25] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: both worth the download :)
[11:26] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: ah , sorry missed your post
[11:26] <bigfoot> bob2, right.
[11:27] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if you like chess, install xboard and gnuchess
[11:27] <bigfoot> So how do i build this game?
[11:27] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: you can play against the computer with that combo
[11:27] <bob2> bigfoot: read Install again
[11:27] <bigfoot> i like chess, thoreauputic, against friends and family.
[11:27] <tonquin> amaranth: that was fun, mplayer just crashed me right out. had to sign back in.  it comes up with a "font error" when i first runs.
[11:27] <bob2> and ask for help with the bits you don't understand
[11:27] <garo> thoreauputic: Should i run base-config after going to hoary ?
[11:28] <thoreauputic> garo: you shouldn't need to
[11:28] <thoreauputic> garo: assuming you have ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop installed in warty, at least
[11:30] <bigfoot> bob2, install text said that I must have the ff libraries: SDL (v1.2.5),SDL_Mixer (v1.2.4), SDL_Image (v1.2.2). How do I know whether I already have these 3 files on my system?
[11:30] <bob2> bigfoot: first, you need to install build-essential, so go do that
[11:30] <bob2> bigfoot: then, since they are libraries, do "apt-cache search libsdl", or however you would search "libsdl" in synaptic
[11:31] <garo> it's a freshly installed ubuntu, so i don't think i have ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop
[11:31] <bob2> bigfoot: you should be able to find the packages you need pretty easily; since you're compiling, you need the -dev version of each of them.
[11:31] <garo> or are these default ?
[11:31] <bigfoot> bob2, install build-essential? where did you get that piece of instruction?
[11:31] <bob2> bigfoot: you need that installed if you want to compile anything
[11:31] <thoreauputic> garo, if it's a fresh install you have both
[11:32] <thoreauputic> garo, they are meta-packages to keep your dependencies in line for updates is all
[11:32] <Madpilot> bigfoot: System menu --> Administration --> Synaptic Packet Manager then search 'build-'
[11:34] <bigfoot> bob2, okay, i did "apt-cache search libsdl" in terminal.
[11:35] <hondje> Hi, I have a question about the release cycle of Ubuntu.  I've been a fairly long-time user of Debian, so it feels akward not getting regular updates
[11:35] <hondje> Do they just do security fixes and major bugs, in general?
[11:35] <bob2> hondje: yes, exactly like Debian
[11:35] <thoreauputic> hondje: on the current release, yes
[11:36] <bob2> new releases every 6 months
[11:36] <hondje> oh, okay
[11:36] <hondje> So, no hope of getting bzflag2 until the next release?
[11:36] <hondje> 6 months? That's balances that out nicely
[11:36] <bob2> you can use the unstable branch if you want
[11:36] <bob2> but it's fairly broken at this early stage in the release cycle
[11:36] <bob2> like, X won't start, and you don't have gettys anymore
[11:37] <hondje> oh, I'd rather use a stable desktop and just wait 6 months :)
[11:37] <hondje> You don't get to be a long debian user without having patience ;-)
[11:37] <bigfoot> bob2, i did ""apt-cache search libsdl." does this mean i have installed build-essential? what would the next step be?
[11:37] <Madpilot> speaking of Syn: is there any way of searching your installed packets? Hitting 'search' seems to always drop me back into the full database...
[11:37] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: no
[11:38] <bob2> bigfoot: no, as I said, they are seperate steps
[11:38] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: *first* install the build-essential package
[11:38] <bigfoot> okay, now i see.
[11:38] <bob2> bigfoot: have you never installed a package on Ubuntu?
[11:38] <bigfoot> bob2, i have done so on synaptic
[11:38] <hondje> how offset are the gnome and ubuntu releases, since gnome goes 6 months too?
[11:38] <bob2> bigfoot: ok, install the build-essential package using synaptic
[11:38] <bob2> hondje: 2 weeks
[11:39] <hondje> youch, that's close.  I'd hope the work together then :)
[11:39] <bob2> yup
[11:39] <bigfoot> bob2, but synaptic is busy now downloading something else (a 60 MB Java file) how do i get build-essential in another way?
[11:39] <bob2> bigfoot: you have to wait
[11:39] <hondje> Now that I've decided that ubuntu is good to keep even after sarge goes stable soon, I figured I'd learn about the workings
[11:39] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: wait
[11:39] <bob2> only one program can be installing packages at the same time
[11:40] <tonquin> amaranth:  yikes. mplayer is consistently crashing  ubuntu... how about vlc?
[11:40] <bigfoot> oh, so you mean when I ran "apt-cache search libsdl" in terminal, it wasn't installing a package?
[11:40] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: as the name would imply, you were searching for packages
[11:41] <hondje> Is there any ubuntu equivalent to the awesome marillat repos?
[11:41] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, ok.
[11:41] <bob2> bigfoot: apt-cache merely pokes at apt's cache of package metainformation
[11:41] <bob2> hondje: most of it is in ubuntu's multiverse repository
[11:41] <bigfoot> bob2, all right.
[11:41] <hondje> bob2: oh, okay.  mplayer?
[11:41] <garo> I am running X while i update to hoary, what whill happen with xfree ?
[11:41] <bob2> hondje: yes
[11:41] <thoreauputic> hondje: yes
[11:41] <hondje> oh, that's so cool
[11:41] <bob2> garo: it will switch you over and configure itself
[11:41] <bob2> assumin you didn't poke the config yourself
[11:41] <thoreauputic> garo: it eill appear when you reboot or restart X
[11:42] <thoreauputic> garo: not that you'll notice any difference ;)
[11:42] <garo> so xfree an xorg will both stay on my sytem but xorg will become default ?
[11:43] <hondje> Where can I find the ubuntu maintainer for pkgs that only have debian guys in the metainfo?
[11:43] <thoreauputic> garo: no, xfree will go, xorg will stay
[11:43] <bob2> hondje: ubuntu packages don't have individual maintainers (mostly)
[11:43] <bigfoot> How come all of a sudden my sounds are not working? Just a while ago, i was playing games with sounds? but nothing now. I did "killall esd" but to no avail. No results on "lsof /dev/snd/*" and on "lsof /dev/dsp." Without restarting the computer, what should I do to get sounds back?
[11:43] <thoreauputic> garo: although the package will probably be in the cache (xfree)
[11:43] <hondje> oh, how does it work?
[11:44] <hondje> A group of guys hired by canonical, working in some office?
[11:44] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: try logout/login again
[11:44] <bob2> hondje: no, they're spread around the world
[11:44] <bob2> hondje: and it's not just canonical employees
[11:44] <garo> How do i refresh the cache so that it matches my system ?
[11:44] <bob2> garo: what cache?
[11:45] <garo> the cache that thoreauputic was talking about
[11:45] <thoreauputic> garo: you don't need to : unless you mean reload in synaptic, or sudo apt-get update
[11:45] <garo> i guess it's the cache from apt
[11:47] <thoreauputic> garo: *old* packages end up in the apt archive - you can delete them with "apt-cache clean" if you want to
[11:47] <hondje> maybe they should expand that add/remove files program to be more like a newbie-synaptic
[11:47] <hondje> package management always seems to throw long time windows users for a loop
[11:48] <thoreauputic> garo: although if you have the space, they are sometimes handy to have lying around ;) apt-cache autoclean will just delete the irrelevant ones
[11:48] <hondje> keep 'em for awhile, it has saved me a ton of times
[11:48] <thoreauputic> hondje: indeed
[11:48] <iRonY> can anyone help? when upgrading the base installation, i get this error: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[11:50] <thoreauputic> sorry that command should have been apt-get autoclean I think
[11:50] <thoreauputic> and apt-get clean
[11:50] <bob2> iRonY: you're not moving to breezy, are you?
[11:50] <bigfoot> without logging out yet, is there a way I could find out what's causing the "no sound" problem, and fix it?
[11:51] <bob2> bigfoot: sure
[11:51] <iRonY> what is breezy? :)
[11:51] <bob2> bigfoot: fuser -v /dev/snd/pcm/*
[11:52] <Ali_Baba> iRonY:its the next ubuntu version.
[11:52] <bigfoot> bob2, i ran that command in terminal, it said "/dev/snd/pcm/*: No such file or directory
[11:52] <Madpilot> night, all. I'm off...
[11:52] <bigfoot> g'night, Madpilot .
[11:52] <bob2> bigfoot: er, then you don't have sound drivers loaded
[11:53] <iRonY> i dont understand, i just tried to apt-get upgrade my installation and i get this error, so i wanted to have it resolved
[11:53] <cusco> isn't it /dev/snd/pcm*something*
[11:53] <cusco> like /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c
[11:53] <bob2> er, yes, typo
[11:53] <bigfoot> what do you mean by not having sound drivers loaded, bob2 ? I do have a sound card, and I was able to get sounds working previously.
[11:53] <bob2> iRonY: then give us way way way more details
[11:53] <garo> I still have /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, shouldn't that be removed after upgrading ?
[11:53] <bob2> garo: no
[11:53] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: he made a mistake :) It happens...
[11:54] <iRonY> bob2: ok, i uncommented the official update and upgrade servers in sources.list, i ran apt-get update, all fine so far
[11:54] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, okay. 8-) so what shall I do now?
[11:54] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, do you like reading Thoreau?
[11:54] <bob2> iRonY: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[11:54] <liable> bob2: is debian offline?
[11:55] <iRonY> bob2: then i ran apt-get upgrade to upgrade the installation and this is one single error i get when applying the downloaded packages
[11:55] <iRonY> ok
[11:55] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: have you tried ` ps aux | grep esd ` or `ps aux | grep oss` etc ?
[11:55] <garo> bob2: Why not ? I don't need it anymore xorg uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:55] <thoreauputic> and yes, I like Thoreau :)
[11:55] <bob2> liable: how do you mean?
[11:55] <bob2> garo: yes, but it won't remove it, since a) it's pointless and b) you might want to go back to it
[11:56] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, would you like to see the results ?
[11:56] <bob2> garo: you can 'sudo dpkg -P xserver-xfree86' if it bothers you
[11:56] <rapha> Hi all!
[11:56] <bigfoot> hi rapha!
[11:56] <rapha> Would somebody have me a working BitTorrent tracker for the Colony 1 install CD?
[11:56] <liable> bob2: nevermind, just got back, and its a bit screwy.
[11:56] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if there are results, you have sound processes running
[11:56] <liable> or i am :)
[11:56] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, which means...?
[11:56] <bob2> rapha: or, isn't that proprietary software?
[11:56] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, is it a good thing to have sound processes running? or not?
[11:56] <rapha> (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-1/breezy-install-i386.iso.torrent is broken)
[11:56] <iRonY> bob2: how to paste it? no problem with flooding, right? since the name is #flood
[11:56] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: you can also try sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[11:57] <rapha> bob2: I beg your pardon?
[11:57] <bob2> iRonY: right
[11:57] <bob2> rapha: oh, the breezy test, sorry
[11:57] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: depends if they are treading on each others toes...
[11:57] <rapha> :-)
[11:57] <rapha> bob2: Yeah, I need something that checksums during d/l, so ... bittorrent
[11:58] <bob2> rapha: er, you can just check the md5sum yourself after you download with http or ftp
[11:58] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: in general, I would start by killing esd and restarting alsa
[11:58] <rapha> bob2: I _know_ it will fail. That's why I need something that checks _during_ download.
[11:58] <iRonY> bob2: there it is, in #flood
[11:58] <lesshaste> how do I use RSS in firefox? For example http://www.timeout.com/film/listing_rss.php?cinemaID=362
[11:58] <rapha> bob2: Which bittorrent does.
[11:58] <bob2> rapha: ok!
[11:58] <rapha> :-)
[11:59] <rapha> So is there maybe someone of the Ubuntu folks around here? Because their BT tracker is broken...
[12:00] <bob2> rapha: yes, it's known
[12:00] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i did it just as you said, and still no sound!
[12:00] <bigfoot> boo hoo hoo.
[12:01] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: well, it was worth a try ;)
[12:01] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: are you in gnome?
[12:01] <bigfoot> bob2, yes, my system is setup the way the Ubuntu 5.04 installed things.
[12:02] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: there's a useful hack on http://ubuntuguide.org for fixing sound in Hoary Gnome, if that's what you run
[12:02] <bigfoot> bob2, do you think it's a good idea to try the fuser command again?
[12:04] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, okay, i see the section on that page. I'm afraid though of messing around. Are the instructions safe? Idon't want to make the set-up worse than it is.
[12:05] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: worked for me: just back up all the files before you edit so you can return to the previous config if you need to
[12:05] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, okay. I'll do that.
[12:05] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I think he includes those steps, from memory
[12:06] <thoreauputic> sudo mv foo foo.bak   and so on
[12:07] <lifeless> i	sissasdsadasdasdasa
[12:07] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: did you install some mult-media app just before your sound died?
[12:07] <mirak> in wich fashion xfc is lighter than gnome ?
[12:08] <linukso> mirak: features...
[12:08] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, no, i have'nt installed any new multimedia app today, which is the day the sound died. I did install multimedia apps a few days ago, though.
[12:09] <thoreauputic> mirak: it doesn't pop icons up and open nautilus in your face whenever you mount things ;-)
[12:09] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: which ones, from what repos?
[12:09] <hondje> no other processes running, either, just the panel, wm, etc
[12:09] <hondje> It's a great light DE
[12:10] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, my memory is not clear, but i've gotten Xine, Totem, win32codecs, Gmplayer.
[12:10] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: did you use the marillat repos?
[12:10] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, I don't exactly remember from what repo, but my repo list includes Multiverse and Universe.
[12:10] <mirak> thoreauputic: well that's a feature I like :)
[12:10] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, for the win32codecs, yes, i believe i got it from marillat.
[12:10] <thoreauputic> mirak: no accounting for tastes I guess *grin*
[12:11] <mirak> bigfoot: what are the win32codecs ?
[12:11] <hondje> Is using the conveniently provided decss script illegal anywhere else outside the US?
[12:11] <mirak> thoreauputic: you can disable it
[12:11] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if that's *all* you got from marillat, you should be OK
[12:11] <mirak> bigfoot: I mean are they dll hacks ?
[12:11] <mirak> is there the sources ?
[12:12] <bigfoot> mirak, win32codecs were needed to run play some formats such as WindowsMedia. But i don't remember exactly now.
[12:12] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if you got mplayer from marillat, that could be your problem
[12:12] <BrianB04> Morning all
[12:12] <hondje> You can't get mplayer from marillat without using force
[12:12] <thoreauputic> hondje: ?
[12:12] <hondje> You have to force it to ignore depends to install mplayer from marillat
[12:13] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, according to the file properties of mplayer-386, i got that file from Multiverse.
[12:13] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: OK that's good
[12:14] <raphael> Hello there!
[12:14] <raphael> Is there someone who might help me with a quite strange.. bug?
[12:15] <raphael> I just updated my other home system (badger) and now applications will not return.
[12:16] <thoreauputic> rapha: well, if Breezy breaks, you  get to keep the pieces i guess
[12:16] <p0m> Haha.
[12:16] <raphael> ^^
[12:17] <bigfoot> I downloaded a game called "Spice Trade" (in .jar file format) from http://www.spicetrade.org/download.html. It said that I needed Java installed to run the game. So I installed Java. But I don't know how to run the game. Can anyone explain to me how to run a .jar file?
[12:17] <raphael> Try to fix it wont hurt.
[12:17] <BrianB04> My bug is this, when it first starts mounting drives, I get an error that says VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hda8 (Root drive) it will also say ext2
[12:17] <Burgundavia> bigfoot, java -jar spicetrade.jar
[12:17] <hondje> bigfoot: also, make sure java is in your path
[12:18] <winmute> hi @ all
[12:18] <bigfoot> hondje, how do i make java in my path?
[12:18] <bigfoot> hi winmute1
[12:18] <raphael> export PATH=$PATH:(insert your path to java here)
[12:18] <hondje> bigfoot: In a terminal, type which java
[12:18] <winmute> i have an prob with my Unreal Tournament installation
[12:18] <hondje> If it's in your path already, it'll say something like /usr/local/bin/java
[12:18] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: the guide @ http://ubuntuguide.org tells you how
[12:19] <winmute> can paly several minutes but then the game crashes
[12:22] <raphael> Any idea how to fix this? Or any idea where the problem may lie; I boot into ubuntu, (text mode, X doesn't start) and login. Afther login, I can execute one application, but I will not get back to the prompt.
[12:22] <raphael> I even occurs if I boot directly into the bash.
[12:23] <hondje> what do you mean 'execute one application'
[12:23] <raphael> Well, say I type 'ls', ls will execute, but not return. I don't get the prompt anymore, it just hangs there.
[12:24] <hondje> oh, that's freaky
[12:24] <hondje> what if you hit ctrl-c?
[12:24] <raphael> jep. That's what I thought.
[12:24] <raphael> Nothing.
[12:24] <HappyFool> ctrl-z ?
[12:24] <raphael> Nothing.
[12:24] <thoreauputic> raphael: what happens if you hit ctrl + C
[12:24] <hondje> wild...did you switch to another console and see what ps said?
[12:25] <raphael> As I said; ctrl-c and ctrl-z do nothing.
[12:25] <thoreauputic> raphael: sorry, didn't see the other post
[12:25] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, maybe you thought i was wanting help with installing Java. But actually i've already gotten java via synaptic. my problem is how to run the .jar file (the downloaded game), and this is not in the ubuntuguide.org link you mentioned.
[12:25] <toto> hi people! I just upgraded my girlfriend's computer to hoary and I cannot reboot correctly. First, grub doesn't show 2.6.10-5-386 option so I edited menu.lst but booting on this option wont work... I f I now try to boot on 2.6.8... the X server doesn't start, and its log is empty... any idea?
[12:25] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: no, but putting java in your PATH is
[12:26] <hondje> bigfoot: If it's in your path, just java -jar game
[12:26] <hondje> raphael: I'm really stumped, bud. Sorry
[12:26] <bigfoot> hondje, I typed "which java." Result is "/usr/bin/java"
[12:26] <HappyFool> raphael: it's a bit of a stretch, but maybe you could try 'strace ls', though if ls doesn't work i guess strace might not either
[12:26] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if it isn't in your path, you need the whole /path/to/java/blah/blah (which is a pain)
[12:27] <hondje> bigfoot: okay, then it's in your path :)
[12:27] <hondje> now try java -jar gamename
[12:27] <thoreauputic> OK it's in your path
[12:27] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, thanks. but i'm still wondering where in ubuntuguide.org it says about Java and path. 8-)
[12:27] <hondje> It doesn't
[12:28] <hondje> In the guide it just links java to a place already in your path
[12:28] <raphael> Ok, tried..
[12:28] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: well, if you follow the howto it includes those steps
[12:28] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i took some typing classes when i was a kid. I also switched to Dvorak layout.
[12:28] <raphael> ps stats the apps as [defunc] 
[12:28] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I think he edits /etc/bash,bashrc and does it there (been a while)
[12:28] <hondje> raphael: hrm
[12:29] <hondje> I don't grok why the console gives back the prompt when a program returns
[12:29] <hor> When i remove a package with synaptic, will the .deb-files be removed too?
[12:29] <hondje> I'm a desktop user with experience, not a smart linux guy :(
[12:29] <hondje> hor: You need to apt-get clean to do that
[12:30] <hor> hondje: I only asked, because i have to keep the deb files
[12:30] <hondje> oh
[12:30] <hor> so they aren't removed with synaptic :)
[12:30] <hor> ok, thanks for the information :-)
[12:30] <hondje> hor: Just to be safe...
[12:31] <hondje> Go to /var/cache/apt/archives and copy it to ~
[12:31] <raphael> The shell doesn't seem to be the problem; I tries zsh and there it's the same..
[12:31] <hor> ok, i'll do that
[12:31] <hondje> That's serious borkage way above me :(
[12:31] <raphael> s/tries/tried
[12:31] <raphael> It is wierd, yes.
[12:31] <hondje> So what caused it? I missed that part
[12:32] <HappyFool> raphael: you're not running breezy by any chance ?
[12:32] <p0m> Heh.
[12:32] <raphael> I am runnying breezy. ;)
[12:32] <thoreauputic> bob2 was saying something about X and gettys being broken in Breezy
[12:32] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, so after following the instructions on http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly, you never got a "no sound" problem again?
[12:32] <p0m> The first question these days should be "Are you running breezy"
[12:32] <raphael> I mentioned it.;)
[12:32] <HappyFool> raphael: ah. i believe there is some transition gcc-blah-blah-big-mess
[12:32] <raphael> Oh, that's nice.
[12:33] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: heh - I'm playing with jackd so my sound comes and goes regularly ;-)
[12:33] <p0m> bigfoot: I had that once, but alsa mysteriously started working after a reinstall.
[12:33] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, what's jackd?
[12:33] <raphael> A sound deamon.
[12:33] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I'm trying to get a workable midi system working
[12:33] <raphael> If i remember correctly..
[12:33] <Xappe> jack is a low latency daemon, roght?
[12:33] <bigfoot> p0m, you reinstalled? did that erase all of your personal files/folders?
[12:34] <rommer> is there a command to see the uptime of a linux computer?
[12:34] <p0m> No, I'm smart enough to have separate /home directories.
[12:34] <raphael> uptime?
[12:34] <p0m> rommer: uptime
[12:34] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i want to be able to listen to midi files, too!
[12:34] <raphael> type 'uptime' ? ;)
[12:34] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: my sound is onboard, so I'm using jackd to connect virtual cards for sequencing
[12:35] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: there are howtos, but they assume more knowledge than I currently possess
[12:35] <wscott> Hello, question: The Hoary release notes say it can be installed from a USB drive, but I can't find instructions anywhere.  What am I missing?
[12:35] <raphael> Hm. I'll try to downgrade the packages in this case..
[12:35] <rommer> <- duh
[12:35] <raphael> rommer: ^^
[12:35] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I have timidity playing midis though
[12:35] <thoreauputic> and fluidsynth
[12:35] <bigfoot> p0m, just curious, why did you reinstall? just to get sound working?
[12:35] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, why are you timid?
[12:35] <p0m> bigfoot: Yeah, I killed it something chronic.
[12:36] <p0m> I couldn't quite figure out what it was.
[12:36] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: hehe - it's the name of the app :)
[12:36] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: And I'm not timid (crazy perhaps *g*_)
[12:36] <p0m> I followed the instructions for the sound tweak, got static, went back to esd, and then it died.
[12:36] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, ha! got it.
[12:37] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: you can configure Timidity and jackd to give you virtual sequencing, with a few kernel modules etc loaded
[12:38] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: but it eats your CPU for breakfast
[12:38] <thoreauputic> so does fluidsynth, it seems
[12:38] <p0m> I'm actually about to take my box apart tomorrow and add a wireless card from the old gateway :)
[12:38] <bigfoot> p0m, Q1: what do you mean you "killed it something chronic"? Q2: you followed the steps on http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly, and it didn't work for you? if not, i'm scared! Coz just this minute i followed all steps but the last: to reboot my computer.
[12:38] <raphael> Any idea where I can read something about this gcc-blah-blah-big-mess?
[12:39] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, our midi talk now, it's about playing midis, right? and not about composing our own music?\
[12:39] <thoreauputic> raphael: the developers' mailing list?
[12:39] <p0m> bigfoot: Don't be too scared, it just ceased to work after a second reboot, but that was because esd just died, I then tried a couple of other sound daemons, but they didn't work either, so I assumed the kernel didn't like my sound any more and reinstalled.
[12:39] <bigfoot> so the problem you faced won't be something i'll face, p0m?
[12:40] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: well, getting them to play is the first step: I have rosegarden sort of working so I've made some test midis too
[12:40] <bigfoot> How does esd die, p0m ?
[12:40] <p0m> bigfoot: I should hope not.
[12:40] <p0m> Don't ask me, I'm just the killer.
[12:40] <raphael> Ah. There is also thread about my problem. Stupid me.
[12:40] <bigfoot> Oh, p0m, you did a "force quit," correct?
[12:40] <p0m> The only problem you might have is distorted sound.
[12:41] <p0m> No, no force quit.
[12:41] <p0m> Standard sudo reboot
[12:41] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it seems midi works best with soundblaster cards or similar: mine is a crappy onboard number
[12:41] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, what's an onboard number?
[12:41] <Scorpinf> i got a problem with TC:E it wont download the files from the server, it tries but nothing happens, any ideas?
[12:41] <p0m> And that can be fixed by tweaking a couple of settings in your asound file.
[12:41] <bigfoot> how do i know what sound card my computer has?
[12:41] <p0m> TC:E?
[12:41] <hondje> bigfoot: lspci
[12:42] <Scorpinf> it's a game
[12:42] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: oh - I mean built-in on my motherboard, not a separate dedicated sound card
[12:42] <Scorpinf> mod or enemy territory
[12:42] <raphael> This seems to be a hoary problem also..
[12:42] <hans_> is there a network interface monitor for ubuntu? like knemo for kde?
[12:43] <HappyFool> there's an applet
[12:43] <bigfoot> I did lspci, I think i found the line about my sound card: 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 11). So is my soundcard a seperate dedicated one, or built in on my motherboard?
[12:43] <hondje> I use the system monitor applet in gnome
[12:43] <hondje> bigfoot: That looks like a builtin on
[12:43] <hondje> I think it's the same as mine :)
[12:43] <bigfoot> 8-)
[12:43] <HappyFool> hans_: right click on a panel, click 'Add to panel' and scroll down to network monitor
[12:43] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I think most AC'97 cards are built-ins
[12:43] <bigfoot> what are AC97s?
[12:44] <hondje> It's the codec, IIRC
[12:44] <hondje> They work great in linux, though
[12:44] <hondje> I haven't had a hiccup with them since like, 2000
[12:44] <hondje> intel chipsets, that is
[12:44] <hans_> happyfool: thanks thats exactly what i was looking for
[12:44] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: mine is Sis - It only started being supported recently
[12:45] <bigfoot> i'm using xchat, and chat logging is enabled. how can i view the chat logs?
[12:45] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, what is sis?
[12:45] <p0m> Logs should be in your home directory.
[12:45] <bigfoot> Is it a type of soundcard?
[12:45] <p0m> Under ~/.xchat2
[12:45] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: probably somewhere in ~/.xchat2
[12:45] <hondje> bigfoot: It's a brand of mobo
[12:45] <bigfoot> what's mobo?
[12:45] <bigfoot> motherboard?
[12:45] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: Silicon Integrated Systems, i think
[12:45] <hondje> motherboard
[12:45] <codingmaster> hey people
[12:46] <bigfoot> hi person!
[12:46] <codingmaster> I've fixed my fucked up kernel
[12:46] <codingmaster> lol
[12:46] <codingmaster> my apt is still fucked up
[12:46] <knase> searching for cedega installation file /msg me
[12:46] <codingmaster> does someone know where xfonts-utils is?
[12:46] <codingmaster> in which repository?
[12:47] <athlon> anyone here have some experiences in burning dvd in linux ? Ive tried k3b + gnomebaker in ubuntu, gentoo and slackware, and for some reason I can only burn at 0,4x speed.
[12:47] <codingmaster> I have experiences in that
[12:47] <codingmaster> strange
[12:47] <codingmaster> I'm able to burn at every speed
[12:48] <athlon> codingmaster, so I take it you were able to burn at full speed ?
[12:48] <athlon> hrm..
[12:48] <p0m> That'd probably be due to your driver for the DVD burner.
[12:48] <codingmaster> yes, dvd-r dvd+r and also +/-rw
[12:48] <codingmaster> I just didn't test double layer for my burner, but I have no problems
[12:48] <bigfoot> is there a good reason why hidden files are not shown by default in Nautilus?
[12:48] <codingmaster> lol
[12:49] <Dave2|irssi> because...they're meant to be hidden? :/
[12:49] <p0m> Heh.
[12:49] <toto> hi people! I just upgraded my girlfriend's computer to hoary and I cannot reboot correctly. First, grub doesn't show 2.6.10-5-386 option so I edited menu.lst but booting on this option wont work... I f I now try to boot on 2.6.8... the X server doesn't start, and its log is empty... any idea?
[12:49] <codingmaster> lol, nautilus sucks sometimes
[12:49] <Bazzi> Dave2|irssi :o
[12:49] <hondje> It sure has come a long way though since eazel :)
[12:49] <Dave2|irssi> It's easy to switch, and most novice end users won't want to see about 500 .foorc files...
[12:49] <hondje> I heard all the eazel guys became apple code monkeys :(
[12:49] <HappyFool> toto: what's the error if you boot a 2.6.10 kernel ?
[12:49] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: just hit ctrl-H :)
[12:49] <codingmaster> is 2.6.8 in any repository?
[12:50] <bigfoot> i found the chat logs folder for Xchat. But they don't include the lines where no one says my nickname.
[12:50] <codingmaster> 2.6.10 is standard for hoary, when you have an nvidia graphics card, you have to use 2.6.10 (when you don't want to compile the kernel on your own)
[12:50] <p0m> Weird.
[12:50] <toto> HappyFool, bad filetype i guess
[12:50] <fia> hi, just installed ubuntu. looks NICE. one problem thogh, no sound.
[12:50] <HappyFool> toto: no useful error message?
[12:51] <codingmaster> check the sound config
[12:51] <toto> Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0xc
[12:51] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if you want full logging I suggest you try irssi (but it's a commandline/no-X client)
[12:51] <toto> error 17 cannot mount selected partition
[12:51] <Ali_Baba> fia:look for the Ubuntu forum HOWTOs :)
[12:52] <Dave2|irssi> xchat has full logging
[12:52] <toto> HappyFool, and I just changed the kernel name in grub...
[12:52] <HappyFool> toto: maybe you got the grub entry wrong ?
[12:52] <codingmaster> 1. you don't have the modules for your filesystem in the kernel
[12:52] <DJSelbeck> any of you has the "send via bluetooth" option in nautilus
[12:52] <kisain> i have a question
[12:52] <codingmaster> 2. you boot from the wrong parition
[12:52] <bigfoot> Dave2|irssi, Does Xchat?
[12:52] <fia> alibaba> on irc or on internet?
[12:52] <codingmaster> grub starts counting the partitions from 0
[12:52] <codingmaster> but linux from 1
[12:52] <codingmaster> like
[12:52] <thoreauputic> Dave2|irssi: I thought it did too - but I notice /lastlog <nick> seems not to be working on the latest Hoary one
[12:52] <thoreauputic> at least for me
[12:53] <toto> yep i knew that
[12:53] <codingmaster> grub: (0,0) ---> linux: /dev/hda1
[12:53] <codingmaster> ok
[12:53] <Dave2|irssi> bigfoot: should do
[12:53] <toto> yeh
[12:53] <kisain> how do i setup software raid after ubuntu's installed? and can it be done on a "dual boot"?
[12:53] <Ali_Baba> fia: on internet.
[12:54] <Ali_Baba> fia: http://ubuntuforums.org
[12:54] <gasper> hi
[12:55] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: my xchat logs in .xchat2/xchatlogs seem to be full logs
[12:55] <deception_inuk> how do everyone :-)
[12:55] <codingmaster> does someone know, in which repository xfonts-utils is?
[12:55] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, is there a way we could view the logs in the same color coding as they are in Xchat?
[12:56] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: not as far as I know: they are plain text
[12:56] <toto> oops, that old grub entry was wrong... bad drive... let's reboot
[12:56] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i found the log containg the full text. you're right.
[01:00] <p0m> Haha.
[01:00] <thoreauputic> I didn't realise how much talking I've been doing... heh
[01:00] <bigfoot> Is Logout-->Restart your computer the same as rebooting?
[01:01] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: yes, if you do both :)
[01:01] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, what do you mean?
[01:01] <liable> bigfoot: no, depends what you want to do
[01:01] <kisain> anyone know how to setup software raid on a "dual boot"?
[01:01] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: you don't normally need to reboot much in Linux
[01:01] <p0m> If at all.
[01:01] <thoreauputic> p0m: well, new kernels...
[01:01] <bigfoot> the ubuntuguide.org's last step for configuring sound in Gnome was "Reboot your Computer." liable, thoreauputic.
[01:02] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: not really necessary- he's just making it easier for newbies
[01:02] <hondje> why does evolution have a thing for 'weather', but you can't configure it?
[01:03] <bigfoot> so how come i still have no sound?
[01:04] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: hard to say from here...
[01:04] <hondje> bigfoot: dbl click the volume icon on the top panel, and make sure pcm is up
[01:04] <hondje> It seemingly randomly goes to 0 for me, sometimes
[01:04] <bigfoot> liable, so what's the difference b/w reboot and restart, liable ?
[01:04] <bigfoot> hondje, it is up.
[01:04] <hondje> okay
[01:05] <hondje> Sound keep changing in linux, I never know what to do :) Just when I got used to oss, they switched to alsa :-/
[01:05] <bigfoot> the funny thing is, i have a headset with a volume control on the cable, when i have it to the max, i can hear a bit of volume.
[01:05] <hondje> bigfoot: reboot means you turn your computer off, and then on. Restart means you turn application(s) off, and then back on
[01:05] <liable> bigfoot: you can just unload modules you dont want, stop services you dont want, load modules you do want, start services you do want
[01:06] <bigfoot> liable, what are modules and services? and how do we do that?
[01:06] <hondje> modules are kinda like drivers in windows
[01:06] <codingmaster> modules are ~> drivers
[01:06] <liable> bigfoot: ok, just reboot :)
[01:06] <codingmaster> like in windows
[01:06] <codingmaster> e.g.: you can show the loaded modules with $: lsmod
[01:07] <bigfoot> and services are...  like programs in Windows, yes?
[01:07] <codingmaster> with insmod you can load a module
[01:07] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: services are servers like sshd or ftpd ( often called "daemons" in *nix)
[01:07] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, daemons sounds so similar to "demon"...
[01:07] <bigfoot> 8-)
[01:07] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: you have "client" apps and "server" apps
[01:08] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: daemon actually is Greek for "helper" I believe (something like that)
[01:08] <codingmaster> e.g.: ssh -> client app / sshd -> server app
[01:09] <bigfoot> codingmaster, so because my computer is not a server, sshd has nothing to do with me, correct?
[01:09] <hondje> hey, lots of just-barely not using windows people here...
[01:09] <hondje> What's the equivalent to daemons in windows?
[01:09] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: servers are programs, not machines
[01:09] <hillel> hondje: Services
[01:09] <hondje> oh, that's easy to remmeber
[01:09] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, but what are _server_ apps?
[01:10] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: for instance your machine has an "X server"
[01:10] <hondje> bigfoot: Anything I can connect to from over here is a server
[01:10] <bigfoot> From over there to where?
[01:10] <hondje> Your computer from my cmoputer
[01:10] <kestas_> but what if youre using port mode and the 'server' connects to you?
[01:10] <kestas_> ftp I mean
[01:10] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: anywhere, pretty much
[01:10] <HappyFool> thoreauputic: the x-server / client convention is a bit backwards though ;)
[01:10] <hondje> Well, I dunno kestas_ :)
[01:10] <thoreauputic> HappyFool: indeed
[01:10] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, X server: isn't this have somthing to do with GUI?
[01:11] <kestas_> then by your description it aint a server
[01:11] <hondje> I figure, I can ssh to an sshd, xdmcp to an xserver, ftp to ftpd....
[01:11] <thoreauputic> HappyFool: well, not really, once you  "get" it
[01:11] <hondje> bigfoot: yes, the 'x server' is the foundation for all the gui stuff you see
[01:11] <kestas_> but can you parte to parted?
[01:11] <kestas_> its a grey area
[01:11] <hondje> If you press ctrl-alt-backspace, you restart your X server and can see what happens when it's not on :)
[01:12] <bigfoot> hondje, okay. i'll do that now.
[01:12] <hondje> kestas_: hehehe
[01:12] <codingmaster> lol
[01:12] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: X server is the server that your machine connects with internally to show graphics
[01:12] <hondje> bigfoot: it'll log you out of here, just for warning
[01:12] <kestas_> anyone here good with gimp?
[01:12] <thoreauputic> more or less
[01:12] <codingmaster> lol
[01:12] <iRonY> stupid question, but how to switch consoles in ubuntu/debian? :)
[01:12] <bigfoot> so logging out of xserver is like rebooting? or like restarting?
[01:12] <hondje> kestas_: Isn't that an oxymoron? Doesn't gimp imply inept?
[01:12] <codingmaster> Crtl + Alt [F1-F6] 
[01:12] <hondje> iRonY: Crtl-alt-f1
[01:12] <iRonY> bigfoot: like restarting xserver
[01:12] <codingmaster> Crtl + Alt + [F1-F6] 
[01:12] <kestas_> hondje: I dont know Im wondering whether its worth learning
[01:13] <hondje> 1-6 do console, f7 gives you X
[01:13] <kestas_> hondje: the interface seems damn confusing but Ive seen some great things done with it
[01:13] <hondje> kestas_: I've been using it occationally for a few years, never figured out 3/4 the options :)
[01:13] <hondje> But it works good for editing photos
[01:13] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it's possible to do almost anything in Linux without a graphical interface
[01:13] <kestas_>  hmm k
[01:13] <hondje> kestas_: Are you familiar with photshop?
[01:13] <kestas_> hondje: yeup
[01:13] <garo> hondje: ...if you use 6 vtys
[01:13] <hondje> If you like their UI, there's some hack that gives gimp a similar layout
[01:14] <hondje> I've never seen photoshop though, so I can't complain about the gimp :)
[01:14] <thoreauputic> looks like bigfoot tried ctrl-alt-bckspce
[01:14] <kestas_> hondje: any idea where I could get it from? I looked for it earlier but couldnt find it
[01:14] <hondje> garo: isn't that defalut in ubuntu though?
[01:14] <garo> defaults can be changed
[01:14] <hondje> kestas_: In ubuntu, just type in a terminal 'sudo apt-get install gimp'
[01:14] <rick_> rttys
[01:14] <kestas_> hondje: I meant the photoshop UI hack
[01:15] <hondje> garo: People who have to ask how to get to their ttys don't know how to change the defaults
[01:15] <iRonYk> aaaagh, i need to switch to text console, why is it not working? any idea?
[01:15] <hondje> kestas_: Oh, I don't know...it's just something I saw on /. a month ago or so
[01:15] <kestas_> k
[01:15] <HappyFool> ctl-alt-F1 doesn't work ?
[01:15] <iRonYk> no!
[01:15] <codingmaster> just hold ctrl + alt
[01:15] <codingmaster> and press F1 a few times
[01:15] <codingmaster> it should work
[01:15] <kestas_> iRonY: do you have one of those damn annoying MS keyboards where you have to press the button for function keys to work?
[01:16] <lprofil> good morning
[01:16] <HappyFool> yeah, i do
[01:16] <HappyFool> bloody annoying
[01:16] <codingmaster> lol
[01:16] <iRonYk> nope i dont, i have el cheapo keyboard that worked fine
[01:16] <iRonYk> in any other distro, that is
[01:16] <lprofil> is there anybody out there who could help me to get my network running again?
[01:16] <iRonYk> gosh, this is like mortal kombat, but not helping :(
[01:16] <hondje> what's wrong with gimps UI?
[01:16] <HappyFool> if anyone knows how to auto-enable the function keys, please let me know
[01:16] <hondje> I hear that it's borked a lot, but I don't see what's wrong
[01:16] <kestas_> HappyFool: well at least you can open Microsoft Media Player and 'My Pictures' at the touch of a button
[01:16] <kestas_> oh wait
[01:16] <HappyFool> heh
[01:16] <kestas_> yeah Ive got one too
[01:16] <hondje> kestas_: hehe, I got half of those buttons working :p
[01:16] <kestas_> hondje: how?
[01:17] <hondje> Now I can change volume
[01:17] <iRonYk> ok, back to my problem guys :) stop praysing M$
[01:17] <kestas_> hondje: nothings wrong with the gimp ui its just unfamiliar
[01:17] <iRonYk> praising
[01:17] <kestas_> hondje: and the File menu is EVERYWHERE
[01:17] <hondje> kestas_: oh...well, some people HATE it
[01:17] <kestas_> you press anything and up comes the file menu
[01:17] <hondje> What I did was go to system -> preferences -> keyboard
[01:18] <hondje> Then in layouts I picked US English w/ ISO9995-3, eliminate dead keys (so I can type  and )..
[01:18] <hondje> then on keyboard model I picked 'compaq easy access keyboard', since that's what this one is
[01:18] <hondje> Then on shortcuts, I picked the relevent section, and hit the hot-key thing...
[01:19] <hondje> Some returned a scancode thingiemabob, and I let those work..
[01:19] <lprofil> my problem is that i installed a propitary driver which messed up the default routing
[01:19] <hondje> though half of them are still dead
[01:19] <jinxi> how do I make use of the special keys on my keyboard?
[01:19] <hondje> jinxi: You mean the hot keys like for email, irght?
[01:19] <lprofil> how can i restore defaults ?
[01:19] <hondje> jinxi: Go to System -> Preferences -> Keyboard
[01:20] <hondje> Then on the layout tab, find your keyboard
[01:20] <bigfoot> Hi all. I followed all the steps on ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly, but still no sound. I had sound 24 hours ago, but not now. Can anyone tell me what's wrong?
[01:20] <hondje> they have a lot of the 'cool' keyboards, like the logitech ones, though kinda slim on OEM keybaords
[01:21] <lprofil> click on --> preferences --> sound
[01:21] <lprofil> is it enabled
[01:21] <jinxi> hondje, yep
[01:21] <hondje> jinxi: okay, now when you get your layout picked, go to system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[01:22] <hondje> click on one of the empty shortcuts, like 'email' or 'launch browser'
[01:22] <HappyFool> hondje: neat
[01:22] <hondje> when it says accelerator, hit the hot key, and if you're lucky it'll toss back the hex code for the key
[01:23] <hondje> then voila, that key now works :)
[01:23] <hondje> having that is the sole reason I switched to gnome from xfce :)
[01:23] <hondje> HappyFool: Glad to help :)
[01:23] <bigfoot> lprofil, under the General Tab, there are two checkboxes. Box1: <Enable sound server startup> is enabled. Box2:<Sounds for events> has no checkbox, as per the instructions on ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly.
[01:23] <hondje> I don't grok the deep science of these things, but I've been doing desktop stuff for years :)
[01:24] <bigfoot> hondje, what's "grok?"
[01:24] <hondje> bigfoot: how are you checking to see if the sound works?
[01:24] <hondje> bigfoot: Understand deeply and profoundly
[01:25] <jinxi> hondje, my keyboard is not in the list
[01:25] <hondje> hondje groks configuring his desktop, hondje does not grok kernels :)
[01:25] <bigfoot> I'm playing a downloaded mp3 file that was working a day ago. plus, i'm trying out different games that had sounds a day ago.Plus, minimizing, maximizing windows.
[01:25] <hondje> jinxi: what kind is it?
[01:25] <mischa> hi everyone
[01:25] <jinxi> hondje, http://www.trust.com/products/product.aspx?artnr=14211
[01:25] <hondje> I found this keyboard was on the list, but I had to google for what it really was
[01:25] <leira> what package should install to handel ac3 in totem? i've installed gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg.
[01:25] <mischa> i have a strange problem on my ubuntu macine (dell 9300)
[01:25] <hondje> oh, and for the record ubuntu detects korean/english keyboards in the install :o
[01:26] <jinxi> hodgman, check that out
[01:26] <mischa> i have 4 partitions: linux swap window_ntfs windows_fvat
[01:26] <Ali_Baba> leira: you should install totem xine
[01:27] <bigfoot> oeuueonsn-sneou-sn
[01:27] <mischa> my vfat partition is my data disk...
[01:27] <Ali_Baba> leira: i think that would do it.
[01:27] <leira> so, totem-gstream cannot handle ac3?
[01:27] <mischa> i mount it with following fstab entry: /dev/sda1               /mnt/e                  vfat            umask=000                                       0               0
[01:27] <hondje> jinxi: Hrm, I can't find another name for it on google
[01:28] <jinxi> lol
[01:28] <hondje> I discovered a lot of keyboards were made by one guy and reskinned/sold as different brands :)
[01:28] <jinxi> I  chose for the direct access keybaord and it worked
[01:28] <Ali_Baba> leira: not sure about that.
[01:28] <mischa> on mnt/e/ i have (had) dir movies
[01:28] <bigfoot> hondje, the above message is how i'm checking to test that the sound works.
[01:28] <hondje> My $40 korean/english keyboard was the exact same as the $12 walmart one
[01:28] <hondje> bigfoot: I see some junk and then some japanese
[01:28] <hondje> mine just had one extra key..what a rip
[01:29] <Ali_Baba> :)
[01:29] <bigfoot> sorry, previous that, hondje.
[01:29] <hondje> well, and more ink since it had more letters
[01:29] <mischa> then out of the blue i got following message is syslog:  kernel : FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sda1),  kernel:     clusters badly computed (7515 != 7451)
[01:29] <leira> Ali_Baba: one more problem ,when i use mplayer with esd ao, it crashed
[01:29] <mischa> reboot  and gone was my movie dir
[01:29] <hondje> bigfoot: oh, good. A variety of things is best to test
[01:29] <mischa> anyone any idea what happened
[01:29] <hondje> bigfoot: you said if you turn your headphones up all te way, you can barely hear it?
[01:29] <Ali_Baba> leira:you should use alsa instead
[01:30] <hondje> bigfoot: Did you try aumix?
[01:30] <codingmaster> can you mount it?
[01:30] <mischa> it's gone, the dir is gone
[01:30] <mischa> under windows it gone also
[01:30] <codingmaster> --> is your movie dir mountable? / yes: then you've fucked up your fstab configuration
[01:30] <codingmaster> ok
[01:30] <hondje> mischa: Is that on an external usb drive?
[01:30] <leira> but the esd has used the /dev/dsp, so i cannot use alsa ao any more
[01:30] <mischa> no
[01:31] <codingmaster> did you mount it rw??
[01:31] <mischa> interna disk 60 G
[01:31] <bigfoot> hondje, Strange news! I just unplugged my earphones from the analog plug and the sound is coming out of the internal speaker, loud and clear.
[01:31] <mischa> /dev/sda1               /mnt/e                  vfat            umask=000                                       0               0
[01:31] <codingmaster> ok, the you've just fucked up your partition table
[01:31] <hondje> you have internal speakers that do more than beep and bop?
[01:31] <codingmaster> do you have parition magic?
[01:31] <mischa> but how did i do that?
[01:31] <Ali_Baba> leira: hmm,dont really know about that,sorry.
[01:31] <mischa> no, but i can get it
[01:32] <hondje> I want internal speakers like the missus has on her mini mac
[01:32] <leira> Ali_Baba: well, thank u all the sam~
[01:32] <codingmaster> I think, that there's an option to fix the parition table
[01:32] <hondje> Ones that actually play more than 'beep'
[01:32] <phanter> why do I need to login with my root password to start the wireless connection (using Connection Propperties in Gnome)
[01:32] <hondje> That'd be great, one less thing to protect from my daughter
[01:32] <codingmaster> and: never mount windows drives rw (when they're ntfs)
[01:32] <Ali_Baba> leira: glad to help
[01:32] <hondje> codingmaster: I thought they fixed ntfs write support?
[01:32] <mischa> but i booted to windows and back to linux again. how long doet IT preserve the old partion table?
[01:32] <bigfoot> hondje, yes. I have a dell Optiplex. Internal speaker has a beep function (regardless of whether a headphone is plugged in or not), but it also has something more than that which can play music, etc.
[01:33] <jinxi> cool
[01:33] <mischa> it vfat
[01:33] <jinxi> my hot keys are working
[01:33] <hondje> bigfoot: that's so awesome, I'm jealous
[01:33] <codingmaster> ntfs write support is still buggy
[01:33] <codingmaster> !!!!
[01:33] <mischa> i know
[01:33] <hondje> jinxi: sweet, they're great in gnome
[01:33] <hondje> codingmaster: oh.  good thing I don't use ntfs then
[01:33] <jinxi> yep :)
[01:33] <mischa> haven't mounted ntfs, it is vfat
[01:33] <phanter> mischa, you should always use ntfsfix after you used an ntfs partition
[01:33] <jinxi> only the pause and play button does not work
[01:33] <codingmaster> ah, ok just look at your fstab again
[01:33] <hondje> jinxi: they copied that nice OSX way of doing volume changes on the keyboard
[01:33] <jinxi> maybe cause I am using xmms?
[01:33] <mischa> guys, i used vfat, not ntfs ...
[01:33] <Ali_Baba> leira: try ubuntu forums :)
[01:34] <mischa> /dev/sda1               /mnt/e                  vfat            umask=000                                       0               0
[01:34] <hondje> jinxi: I didn't get them working with anything other than rhythmbox
[01:34] <jinxi> I will give it a  try
[01:34] <mischa> but i booted to windows and back to linux again. how long doet IT preserve the old partion table?
[01:34] <bigfoot> hondje, but i still have the problem: how come there's no sound when I plug in my headphone or headset?
[01:34] <hondje> but I only have a couple keys working...one labelled 'search' that I have lauch nautilus in ~, the two volume ones, the mute button, and 'Club Q', which I have launch evolution
[01:34] <phanter> can the wireless connection start automaticly at bootup?
[01:34] <hondje> bigfoot: I don't know, I'm not very good with sound
[01:34] <hondje> I'm mostly deaf, so I never notice it
[01:35] <leira> Ali_Baba: en
[01:35] <jgar> Wow now there are 473 users here.
[01:35] <we2by> hondje, can u play mp3 wit it?
[01:35] <hondje> we2by: with rhythmbox? Sure
[01:35] <jgar> What happened? An hour ago there were only 15 users
[01:35] <hondje> jgar: freenode was dropping servers for maintenance, probably came in there
[01:35] <mischa> i was streamripping on /mnt/e/streams dir whet it suddenly stopped, the i looked in syslog and all kernel panics over the place....
[01:36] <mischa> that what happend.
[01:36] <hondje> wait a second, we2by, this isn't physics, but you're here too :O
[01:36] <we2by> hondje, do you know alot about Vectors?
[01:36] <we2by> hehe :P
[01:36] <hondje> 'a lot' is relative
[01:36] <mischa> kerrnel had remounted /mnt/e ro , because of errors.
[01:36] <we2by> I have just a question about a vector with a hat on it
[01:36] <hondje> But ask in #physics, too busy a chan here for going ot I bet ;-)
[01:36] <hondje> oh yeah, unit vectors
[01:37] <mischa> May 22 12:16:49 localhost kernel: FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sda1)
[01:37] <mischa> May 22 12:16:49 localhost kernel:     clusters badly computed (7503 != 7439)
[01:37] <mischa> May 22 12:16:49 localhost kernel: FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sda1)
[01:37] <mischa> May 22 12:16:49 localhost kernel:     clusters badly computed (7504 != 7440)
[01:38] <mischa> is there a way to check the /mnt/e partitions for errors?
[01:39] <mischa> vfat it is
[01:39] <bigfoot> hondje, i just checked my headphones with my radio player. It is not working. IOW, the problem is not with Ubuntu or my PC, but with the headphones!
[01:39] <mischa> now my data is gone....can't i trust vfat also...?
[01:39] <bigfoot> aaagh.
[01:39] <ubuntu_nz> i just installed hoary on an aging PIII-450. nearly everything is working fine (i'm typing this from x-chat on it right now)
[01:39] <HappyFool> mischa: you can try umount it and use fsck -- i see there's a fsck.vfat
[01:40] <mischa> ok
[01:40] <ubuntu_nz> but X is only running at 640x480. the vid card is an intel i740
[01:40] <mischa> ill do that
[01:40] <hondje> bigfoot: that's funny
[01:40] <phanter> mischa, I have never had any trouble using vfat (i use it all the time for y data storage in my dual boot laptop)
[01:40] <ubuntu_nz> i've seen this card do 1024x768 with Gnoppix
[01:40] <HappyFool> mischa: maybe read 'man fsck.vfat' first
[01:41] <daniels> ubuntu_nz: known bug, will be fixed in a hoary update soon
[01:41] <daniels> ubuntu_nz: if you want to fix it now, run XORG_SYNC_RANGES=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, from a console
[01:41] <ubuntu_nz> is there a workaround in the meantime?
[01:41] <mischa> still gone
[01:41] <ubuntu_nz> ok... thanks daniels
[01:41] <HappyFool> still gone?
[01:41] <mischa> phanter: i do the same thing
[01:41] <mischa> roger
[01:41] <hondje> ubuntu_nz: If you're not too afraid of the command line, the xorg.conf file is fairly easy to edit
[01:42] <ubuntu_nz> i've been using linux for about 7 years, just never X...
[01:42] <hondje> ah :)
[01:42] <daniels> ubuntu_nz: (when you do that, you may want to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change VertRefresh from 36-60, to 36-100)
[01:42] <ubuntu_nz> i was raised on slackware (and HP-UX before that)
[01:42] <codingmaster> @hondje: there're no problems with r support using ntfs, just rw for ntfs is buggy
[01:42] <hondje> codingmaster: oh, okay.  I totally misread that blurb on /. a few years back then
[01:43] <hondje> I've never used ntfs on any of my hdds
[01:43] <naderman> hello, I've got a problem with ndiswrapper, it lists my driver and hardware as present, ndiswrapper -m tells me "modprobe config already contains alias dircetive" but after reloading the ndiswrapper module, wlan0 doesn't show up in ifconfig and iwconfig
[01:43] <hondje> though I had to set up nfs with windows at work :(
[01:43] <naderman> anybody got an idea, why this happens?
[01:43] <naderman> I used it in the hoary kernel before and it worked
[01:43] <naderman> eh, I used it in warty
[01:43] <naderman> but on hoary it doesn't work.
[01:43] <hans_> do i have to defragment my harddisk like in windows?
[01:43] <hondje> hans_: No
[01:44] <hondje> just dont fill your hdd past 90% full and you should be fine
[01:44] <hans_> dont the files get fragmented in ubuntu?
[01:44] <ubuntu_nz> daniels: my xorg.conf already seems to have detected my monitor (Philips 107T) and put in refresh 50-160
[01:44] <hondje> hans_: Ubuntu hass a pretty nice filesystem
[01:45] <hans_> ext3?
[01:45] <hondje> hans_: yeah
[01:45] <hans_> ok thx
[01:45] <hondje> Someone told me jfs gets fragmented though
[01:45] <daniels> ubuntu_nz: hrm.
[01:46] <daniels> ubuntu_nz: oh, wait, that's OK.
[01:46] <ubuntu_nz> just did a diff between the new file (after running dpkg-reconfig) and the backup
[01:46] <ubuntu_nz> only changes were horizrefresh and vertrefresh
[01:46] <hondje> under screen, display, for the desired colordepth, do you have 1024x768 as a valid mode?
[01:46] <ubuntu_nz> looks like original conf already had hi-res modes there
[01:46] <hans_> if i have to make partition manually on ubuntu installation how should the partiotion table look like then?
[01:47] <hondje> oh, just didn't do your horiz/vert right, ubuntu_nz
[01:47] <hondje> hans_: It really depends on what you're doing, but I like the just make two, one for / and one for /home
[01:47] <ubuntu_nz> under display, it's got modes higher than 640x480 for all color depths
[01:47] <we2by> hondje, you forget the swap
[01:47] <hondje> hans_: That way, if I upgrade to a new distro, I can keep the same settings and stuff in /home, and it makes it easier to just backup /home
[01:47] <hondje> oh yeah, swapt
[01:48] <hans_> thx
[01:48] <hondje> I put it between / and /home, someone told me you get better performance
[01:48] <ubuntu_nz> i'll restart x in a few mins when this ubuntu update is finished
[01:48] <hondje> hans_: but if you're going to be running a server or something, you might want to have them on their own partition
[01:48] <we2by> if I have 10GB at ram, do u think I can keep all stuff in ram to have a greap perfermance?
[01:49] <cusco> hi... is there a way to check for how long is my internet connection active? sort of an uptime .. for internet connection??
[01:49] <we2by> the whole OS and I oly have /home on my hd
[01:49] <hondje> we2by: Instead of swapping?
[01:49] <mischa> finished with fsck.vfat: now i got al lot of files in /mnt/e like this:fsck0000.rec , 170 to be precise..
[01:49] <HappyFool> cusco: you on dial-up ?
[01:49] <mischa> HappyFool: any idea
[01:49] <naderman> we2by: don't you want to install anything?
[01:49] <hondje> we2by: You can do that, like a liveCD, just run everything off a ramdisk
[01:49] <we2by> naderman, they will be install into ram? maybe?
[01:49] <hans_> hodje: how big should the swap partition be?
[01:49] <hondje> You'd have to load it to mem at boottime, but I've heard of something similar done for giant database servers
[01:50] <we2by> hondje, google is using it
[01:50] <hondje> hans_: once upon a time the rule was 150% of your ram
[01:50] <HappyFool> mischa: not really
[01:50] <naderman> but when you turn it off, it will be deleted we2by
[01:50] <cusco> HappyFool: not really...
[01:50] <hondje> Right now I have 768mb of ram, and a gig of swap
[01:50] <cusco> HappyFool: cable
[01:50] <we2by> naderman, I can make a  custome dvd with the OS in it and all software I need
[01:50] <hondje> It's not stateful, but I bet if he got his hack on he could have it write to CD or disk before shutdown
[01:50] <mischa> k, tan xanyway
[01:50] <hondje> That'd be pretty neat
[01:50] <HappyFool> mischa: is it fixed though?
[01:51] <hondje> maybe we2by should get in touch with the lemmix folks
[01:51] <we2by> nah, it's just an idea. I have have that much ram
[01:51] <mischa> no , everything is gone , movies, music, data
[01:51] <hondje> Do you need a special mobo for 10 gigs of ram?
[01:51] <HappyFool> mischa: erk
[01:51] <hondje> we2by, that is?
[01:51] <mischa> exactly
[01:52] <HappyFool> i'm guessing pieces of them are inside those files
[01:52] <HappyFool> but sorting it out could be a mess
[01:52] <we2by> hondje, I menat I don't have
[01:52] <hans_> i have a partition called tmpfs whats that?
[01:52] <HappyFool> you could try running 'file' on each piece, maybe some are recoverable, but i don't think that's too likely
[01:53] <Fator_Dee> hello
[01:53] <hondje> lost file recovery is a bitch :(
[01:53] <HappyFool> cusco: ah, sorry. the dial-up gnome controller tells you time connected, but i don't know about cable
[01:53] <hondje> Does fat/ntfs have inodes like ext3?
[01:54] <kisain> where are the config files stored for synaptic?
[01:54] <HappyFool> /etc/apt/
[01:55] <kisain> ok thank you
[01:56] <kisain> ok here goes i'm gonna try reinstalling ubuntu with raid 1
[01:56] <kisain> any suggestions before i try?
[01:57] <HappyFool> backup
[01:57] <HappyFool> ;)
[01:57] <kisain> lol
[01:57] <kisain> i was gonna do a backup but i have a dual boot system
[01:57] <Fator_Dee> plug'n pray
[01:57] <kisain> and i'm afraid that when i setup software raid 1 that the backup would be useless
[01:58] <kisain> plug n play nice lol
[01:58] <kisain> pray even lol
[01:58] <kisain> thats why i haven't backed up
[01:58] <mischa> HappyFool: the strange thing is that the other dirs( windows dirs) are still there, only all linux created dirs are gone
[01:59] <kisain> will the backup i make run on the new system?
[01:59] <HappyFool> kisain: well, you ought to back up any of *your* data
[01:59] <kisain> even though it won't be dual boot?
[01:59] <HappyFool> kisain: there's no point backing up program files or whatever
[02:00] <HappyFool> kisain: but if you have ... i don't know, photos, email archives or whatever, you can't replace those
[02:00] <hondje>  always backup /etc and /usr/local/bin :(
[02:00] <kisain> oh it's ok
[02:00] <hondje> nothing sucks worse than having to redo all your /etc/*.conf files
[02:00] <kisain> i am just gonna have to get the vid card to work again lol
[02:00] <HappyFool> assuming you've manually tweaked them
[02:00] <hondje> or rewrite your /usr/local/bin scripts
[02:00] <hondje> HappyFool: True, taht is a big assumption
[02:01] <zubuntu> hi folks :)
[02:01] <sysLink> hi
[02:01] <kisain> unless i can back up the files that tell the computer that i'musing the nvidia card instead of the onboard
[02:01] <zubuntu> first of all, I wanted to say a great thanks for ubuntu team
[02:01] <hondje> kisain: /etc/X11/xorg.conf :)
[02:01] <kisain> i can actually back that up?
[02:01] <hondje> Sure
[02:01] <kisain> O_o
[02:01] <hondje> It's just a small txt file
[02:01] <kisain> holy shit awsome
[02:02] <Seveas> kisain, you can backup everything you want
[02:02] <hondje> and remaking it by hand takes too long, because I have to go find crap like horiz refresh rate :(
[02:02] <Seveas> everything is in simple files
[02:02] <kisain> nice
[02:02] <kisain> ^_^
[02:02] <hondje> kisain: most of your config files are in /etc
[02:03] <kisain> now this dosen't have to do anything with the boot menu on my dual boot no?
[02:03] <myself> hi
[02:03] <hondje> Um, I think grub is in /boot/grub
[02:03] <freewoody> Hi all
[02:03] <myself> could someone please tell me how to mount a fat32 partition with read and write for a user
[02:03] <kisain> and i'll stikk need to get the drivers afterwards to yes
[02:03] <hondje> I haven't dual booted since I figured out how to install matlab in non-RH distros :)
[02:03] <freewoody> How do I setup a PPPoE Server in Ubuntu ?
[02:03] <ubuntu_nz> daniels: thanks, your suggestion worked. hi res modes available now.
[02:03] <zubuntu> can someone please tell me how to uinstall kde on ubuntu without downloading kubuntu (my internet connexion is so bad!!)
[02:04] <freewoody> How hard will that be
[02:04] <daniels> ubuntu_nz: cool
[02:04] <we2by> hondje, how much did you pay for that?
[02:04] <hondje> myself: mount -t vfat /dev/hd?? /mnt/point/you/picked
[02:04] <Riddell> zubuntu: apt-get install kde-core
[02:04] <myself> and in fstab? with read and write!
[02:04] <hondje> zubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop IIRC
[02:04] <hondje> hrm
[02:04] <Fator_Dee> myself: www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:04] <zubuntu> i can't even use the tool shiped along with ubuntu, coz my box isn't connected to Internet
[02:04] <myself> ok, thx
[02:04] <hondje> for options, I'd put rw,user,noauto
[02:05] <hondje> though you'd have to mount it at boottime manually then
[02:05] <kisain> i have discoverd that linux is better than winsucks
[02:05] <freewoody> How do I setup a PPPoE connection in Ubuntu ?
[02:05] <zubuntu> Is it possible to download everything and get it home in my flashdisk?
[02:05] <kisain> IS even
[02:05] <hondje> if you want it magically done, /dev/hd??    /mnt/point   vfat    rw,user,auto,owner   0    0, perhaps
[02:05] <zubuntu> and then install offline?
[02:05] <Fator_Dee> kisain: how is that new information ;-)
[02:05] <HappyFool> zubuntu: you'll have to resolve all the package dependencies yourself
[02:05] <hondje> zubuntu: interesting question
[02:06] <kisain> well it's new to me lol
[02:06] <HappyFool> zubuntu: you *might* be able to do so if you use packages.ubuntu.com, but it'll be a long process
[02:06] <zubuntu> thanks :) but how can i do that? download some debs?
[02:06] <hondje> yeah
[02:06] <hondje> apt-get has an option for download only
[02:06] <Seveas> zubuntu, if you are on another ubuntu machine, you can use apt-zip
[02:06] <zzyber> im thinking of installing Suse 9.3, does someone have experience of suse since novell bought it?
[02:06] <HappyFool> zubuntu: go to packages.ubuntu.com, and search for "kde-core", and follow the dependency trail
[02:06] <kisain> and besides it's nice not having to pay 60$ us for microcrap tech suppoert
[02:06] <hondje> zzyber: I gave it a test drive for the boss at wrok once
[02:06] <HappyFool> zubuntu: only i don't know how you'll know when to stop
[02:07] <kisain> they usually blam your hardfware anyway lol
[02:07] <zubuntu> no :( alas now i'm on zindowz machina :'(
[02:07] <zzyber> hondje, so did you like it?
[02:07] <HappyFool> zzyber: maybe ask in #suse ?
[02:07] <hondje> zzyber: Very much
[02:07] <hondje> I borrowed his laptop, brand-new with all the toys, and everything installed and detected perfectly
[02:07] <hondje> It was stable, suspended and all that, wifi worked
[02:08] <kisain> well i'm off to try software raid 1 wish me luck lol
[02:08] <zubuntu> what if some kind dude download kubuntu for me and send it to me in exchange of a great jazz compilation cd?
[02:08] <hondje> I was really impressed, almost went with Novell instead of Ubuntu, though the magic of apt kept me in the debian family, if I had a laptop I'd buy novell
[02:08] <zzyber> HappyFool, no not in #suse, im a debian user in heart and i want you guys to give your view
[02:08] <freewoody> Can somebody help me with Exim Mail config ?
[02:09] <hondje> zzyber: FWIW, I've used RH, MDK, and Debian for 5 years, still use debian for everything BUT this desktop, but I'm not really a computer smart-guy
[02:09] <zubuntu> no one is interested?
[02:09] <hondje> experience desktop user, perhaps
[02:09] <hondje> zubuntu: kubuntu doesn't have a free-cd program like ubuntu?
[02:09] <zubuntu> yes, i do know
[02:09] <zzyber> hondje, i have only used debian/ubuntu for all my comuters and servers for years too
[02:10] <zubuntu> but with your connexion u can download the iso
[02:10] <fonsken> someone knows a program that can batch-convert jpg-files?
[02:10] <Riddell> zubuntu: see /msg
[02:10] <HappyFool> zubuntu: perhaps you can find a company near you that will download and burn a cd for a small fee. around here it costs something like US$ 5
[02:10] <hans_> hondje: whats a free-cd program?
[02:10] <zubuntu> it's simply impossible with my mine 56k/s  (actually 5k/s)
[02:10] <hondje> hans_: I saw on ubuntu's website that if you ask, they'll mail you a free ubuntu install disk
[02:10] <hans_> oh that u mean right
[02:10] <hondje> I thought that was rather nice of them, shuttleworth has gone up a step in my book
[02:11] <hondje> zzyber: If it's for a laptop, I'd say novell
[02:11] <hondje> zzyber: But if you're doing it for a desktop, and already know how deb/ubuntu work, then I'd stick with ubuntu for the desktop
[02:11] <zubuntu> what if i sing a song for you?
[02:11] <zubuntu> no way? :)
[02:12] <hondje> zubuntu: where do you live?
[02:12] <hans_> i like gnome..its far better than kde
[02:12] <zzyber> hondje, i probably will go back to ubuntu but i think i will give it a try
[02:12] <hondje> zzyber: It's a good idea to see, they're doing a lot of good work there
[02:12] <zubuntu> algeria: africa where ubuntu born
[02:12] <hondje> I'm glad novell is dumping work into gnome, too
[02:12] <cubs156200> what is the minumum space requirement to install ubuntu?
[02:12] <MobyTurbo> zubuntu, it's not "impossible", it takes 30 hours for a single full iso at a typical ~56k connection, and if you don't want to tie up your system you can always wget -c it while you're at work or asleep.
[02:12] <hondje> zubuntu: Oh, I'd mail you one but that'd be really pricey internationally
[02:13] <zubuntu> 30hours?? i'm not rockfeller!
[02:13] <zubuntu> and it's not really 56k but around 5 up to 10kb/s
[02:13] <hondje> zubuntu: You pay by how much you download?
[02:13] <HappyFool> probably per time connected
[02:14] <MobyTurbo> zubuntu, where do you live? Here we have flat rate plans.
[02:14] <tga> cubs156200: what do you want to do with it?
[02:14] <zubuntu> algeria
[02:14] <hondje> wow, algeria is online too now, that's so awesome
[02:14] <tga> cubs156200: it's a good question actually, I don't remember how much space the 'server' install took
[02:14] <cubs156200> just see what is like
[02:14] <tga> everywhere is online now, just get a sat phone
[02:14] <hondje> I was chatting with some dude from mongolia the other day online...
[02:14] <cubs156200> maybe get rid of windows
[02:15] <tga> cubs156200: get the live cd.. it runs off the cd without writing to your drive
[02:15] <zubuntu> algeria is online  !! lol I'm a webdevelopper and algeria have been online that's a long time now :)
[02:15] <Arvin> Helo
[02:15] <MobyTurbo> I talked to someone via IM from Algeria once, he showed me some pictures of Algeria, pretty country.
[02:15] <tga> cubs156200: it's not as fast and as flexible but you get to play with it
[02:15] <hondje> I saw some pics of albania tonight, amazing beachers :0
[02:15] <cubs156200> i tried it
[02:15] <hans_> i installed kde by typing sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop..how to i erase it?
[02:15] <cubs156200> but tooo slow
[02:15] <tga> cubs156200: well how much space are you offering? :)
[02:15] <zubuntu> MobyTurbo> thanks :)
[02:16] <shiv> I am a newbie, where do I do this Setting general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4 in about:config seems to let me
[02:16] <cubs156200> 10 gb is enough right
[02:16] <shiv> access addons.mozilla.org
[02:16] <MobyTurbo> hondje, albania has internet? :-)
[02:16] <tga> hans_: you can try to apt-get remove kdebase or something, and it will pull down a part of it
[02:16] <shiv> this is for firefox
[02:16] <hondje> MobyTurbo: At least in the capital
[02:16] <hans_> thx
[02:16] <HappyFool> shiv: type 'about:config' in the address bar
[02:16] <hondje> bad connection, it sounded like, he couldn't keep up long enough to upload images
[02:16] <tg_> I wanted to install ejabberd and it does not exist in synaptic list. But there is an ubuntu package. How do i install without downloading eachfile?
[02:17] <tga> hondje: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23643.html
[02:17] <tga> hondje: erm, wrong nick
[02:17] <tga> hans_: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23643.html
[02:17] <hondje> hehe
[02:17] <MobyTurbo> tg_, add universe and maybe also you need multiverse
[02:17] <hondje> I was thinking about running my own jabberd, jabber.org has been shaky the last week or two
[02:17] <niklin> Can some of you give me som advise on activating (?) software raid devices (/dev/mdx) at startup?
[02:18] <hans_> tga: thx
[02:18] <zubuntu> is there somewhere on the internet a tar.gz of all the .debs of kde that i can use with ubuntu?
[02:18] <tga> hans_: np, the forums know it all
[02:18] <niklin> I have 4 raid's, but only the two I configured at installation will get activated and mounted at boot
[02:18] <hondje> zubuntu: try this
[02:18] <shiv> thanks
[02:18] <shiv> that worked
[02:18] <hondje> zubuntu: apt-get clean to empty your apt cache
[02:18] <shiv> :)
[02:18] <bob2> zubuntu: why?
[02:18] <hondje> Then you apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, using the switch that makes it just download
[02:19] <hondje> then in /var/cache/apt/archive (or something like that), you'll have all the .debs for kubuntu, and you can cp those to your flashcard
[02:19] <MobyTurbo> zubuntu, oh, you're already running ubuntu. You can install all of kubuntu by installing kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-default-settings. About 110MB, or 5 hours.
[02:19] <zubuntu> to download the whole stuff and take 'm home (where i have no Internet) and dezip 'em and install the stuff
[02:19] <zubuntu> easy to understand, isn't it? ;)
[02:20] <bob2> zubuntu: use apt-zip
[02:20] <tga> zubuntu: if you have a decent net connection you could get the kubuntu cd and add it as a source at home
[02:20] <niklin> I can manually run "mdrun" and then mount the raid devices, but what decides which partitions that is initialized at boot?
[02:20] <tga> niklin: use mdadm, config is in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
[02:21] <niklin> ok
[02:21] <zubuntu> but the machine i use at home isn't connected to internet and this sadik one is a windoz one
[02:21] <tga> zubuntu: more reason to get the kubuntu cd and just burn it
[02:22] <hondje> zubuntu: oh, so apt is out of the picture ofr you
[02:22] <bob2> zubuntu: yes, you can use apt-zip for that
[02:22] <zubuntu> how to do that? get the kubuntu cd?
[02:22] <zubuntu> by downloading? impossible!!!
[02:22] <hondje> zubuntu: I see your problem
[02:22] <bob2> zubuntu: please stop talking and install apt-zip
[02:23] <hondje> bob2: he's in windows
[02:23] <zubuntu> bob2: I'm on windows xp now :'(
[02:23] <hondje> zubuntu: okay man, I'm going to take mercy upon you, and see if I can't get you your debs
[02:24] <k31th> Wats the correct permissions for a mount point
[02:24] <k31th> i mounted it manually
[02:24] <zubuntu> hondje: thanks brotha :) you're an angel an ubuntungel
[02:24] <k31th> and no users can access it
[02:24] <k31th> its mounted in sda1
[02:24] <shiv> I installed Tabbrowser pref, Single Window ad Tab clicking options; I can't configure Tabbrowser prefs its greyed out in firefox, what to do?
[02:24] <k31th> sorry its mounted in /mnt/sda1
[02:24] <hondje> zubuntu: No promises, but I'm looking for you
[02:25] <k31th> do i just chmod it to say 666 ?
[02:25] <Riddell> k31th: mount with  -o user
[02:25] <hondje> zubuntu: how about a list of all the packages, and the site
[02:26] <hondje> You'd have to do them one-by-one, but will that work for you?
[02:26] <zubuntu> they're many?
[02:26] <hondje> yes, there are a lot
[02:26] <hondje> That's why apt-get is so nice :)
[02:26] <k31th> Riddell: thanks dude
[02:26] <zubuntu> and windoz so shity :)
[02:28] <zubuntu> hondje: thanks brother anyway :) a kind dude promised to send me the cd :)
[02:28] <hondje> zubuntu: i386?
[02:28] <hondje> zubuntu: oh, good deal :)
[02:28] <k31th> Riddell: that still does not wotk
[02:28] <k31th> wrk
[02:28] <hondje> Though it's a shame I couldnt mail you one, get a algerian post card ;-)
[02:28] <hans_> is there a key kombination with which i can go back to desktop for example in games...like the windows key in windows
[02:29] <zubuntu> yes i386
[02:29] <hondje> then again, homeland security would have my ass for that
[02:29] <we2by> I have order my Ubuntu cd weeks ago and still not receicing it. :(
[02:29] <zubuntu> hondje> no problem for the postcard and a jazz compilation by the way too :)
[02:29] <niklin> All my md devices are listed in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf - so what am I going to do with mdadm?
[02:29] <bob2> we2by: yes, it will be up to a few weeks more
[02:29] <hondje> I almost asked them for one, but I figure 'don't be greedy, I have cable and a burner'
[02:30] <zubuntu> hondje: you're already in paradise :)
[02:30] <hondje> hehe, that's for damn sure :)
[02:30] <hans_> hondje:thats whar i thought too ;)
[02:30] <hondje> Save the CDs for people who need 'em :)
[02:30] <hondje> zubuntu: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/ is where the .debs are
[02:30] <Myrtti> Saddam Echelon Iraq H-bomb Russians Iran Korea Kim Il-Jung
[02:30] <ubuntu_nz> next question... i've just connected an ATAPI ZIP drive to my system. shows up as /dev/hdd - how do i get it to appear under the 'Computer' Gnome VFS folder?
[02:30] <hondje> though you might want to switch .us.archive.ubuntu.com with another nation
[02:31] <niklin> how is mdadm going to decide which md devices that get startet at boot?
[02:31] <hondje> ubuntu_nz: Let me know if you figure that out
[02:31] <hondje> I can only get it to show where I mount it
[02:31] <hondje> mines scsi/parallel though
[02:31] <MarioOs> hello
[02:32] <zubuntu> why the heck isn't that burned with the cd? not enough place, /
[02:32] <hondje>   enscript gnupg-agent gwenview imagemagick juk k3b k3blibs kaddressbook
[02:32] <hondje>   kaffeine kalarm kamera kappfinder karm kate kaudiocreator kcalc kcharselect
[02:32] <hondje>   kcontrol kcron kde-style-lipstik kdeadmin kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdebase
[02:32] <hondje>   kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins kdegraphics
[02:32] <hondje>   kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelibs4 kdemultimedia
[02:32] <hondje>   kdemultimedia-kappfinder-data kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins
[02:32] <hondje>   kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork kdenetwork-filesharing
[02:32] <hondje>   kdenetwork-kfile-plugins kdepasswd kdepim kdepim-kfile-plugins
[02:32] <hondje>   kdepim-kio-plugins kdepim-wizards kdeprint kdesktop kdeutils kdm kfind
[02:32] <count0nzl> ubuntu_nz, hay is it just me of did most of nz drop off the net 30 mins ago ?
[02:32] <hondje>   kfloppy kgamma kghostview kgpg khelpcenter kicker kitchensync klaptopdaemon
[02:32] <ubuntu_nz> hmm ok. no matter. i'm only loading ubuntu on this old clunker pc to sell it. so that i don't violate any licenses by selling a pirated copy of windows with it
[02:32] <hondje>   klipper kmail kmailcvt kmenuedit kmilo kmix kmrml knetworkconf knewsticker
[02:32] <tga> hondje: yer floodin
[02:32] <hondje>   knode knotes kolourpaint konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konserve
[02:32] <hondje>   konsole konsolekalendar kontact konversation kooka kopete korganizer kpager
[02:32] <hondje>   kpdf kpersonalizer kpf kpilot kppp krdc kregexpeditor krfb kscd kscreensaver
[02:32] <hondje>   ksim ksmserver ksnapshot ksplash ksvg ksync ksysguard ksysguardd ktnef
[02:32] <hondje>   kubuntu-default-settings kubuntu-desktop kuser kwalletmanager kwifimanager
[02:32] <hondje>   kwin kynaptic libarts1 libarts1-audiofile libarts1-xine libflac++4 libgadu3
[02:32] <hondje>   libgpgme11 libjpeg-progs libkcal2a libkcddb1 libkdepim1 libkgantt0 libkipi0
[02:32] <Myrtti> thanks hondje
[02:32] <Myrtti> I needed that
[02:32] <hondje>   libkleopatra0a libkonq4 libkpimexchange1 libkpimidentities1 libkscan1
[02:32] <hondje>   libksieve0 libktnef1 libltdl3 libmal1 libmimelib1a libnetpbm10 liboggflac1
[02:32] <hondje>   libopenexr2 libpcre3 libpth2 librss1 libsamplerate0 libsensors3 libsnmp-base
[02:33] <hondje>   libsnmp5 libsqlite3-0 libtag1 libtunepimp-bin libtunepimp2 libxcomposite1
[02:33] <hondje>   menu-xdg netpbm networkstatus openoffice.org-kde pinentry-qt poster psutils
[02:33] <ubuntu_nz> count0nzl: errm, not that i noticed. you having probs with somewhere in particular?
[02:33] <hondje>   secpolicy
[02:33] <zubuntu> me ttoo :)
[02:33] <hondje> There's the list, if you want to do it by hand, just the required ones though
[02:33] <bob2> hondje: please don't do that in here in future
[02:33] <tga> bad hondje
[02:33] <shiv> Is there a way to open links that work with windows media player in the browser with  totem?
[02:33] <hondje> yeah, I did /msg instead of query, mea culpa
[02:33] <count0nzl> ubuntu_nz, lost the net.. prob orcon :) happy my ipv6 works now tho :)
[02:33] <tga> shiv: get mplayer to work and install mplayerplug-in
[02:33] <zubuntu> what a lovely little brother :)
[02:33] <ubuntu_nz> count0nzl: yuppie
[02:34] <Vjaz> Anyone using Opera 8?
[02:34] <Dave2|irssi> Me.
[02:34] <Dave2|irssi> Well, I would be if X worked
[02:34] <Vjaz> I'm noticing it crashes a lot.
[02:34] <Vjaz> Does it do that on your system?
[02:34] <Dave2|irssi> Can't say I've noticed that
[02:34] <Vjaz> Ok.
[02:34] <Vjaz> To me it does it every day, multiple times.
[02:34] <Dave2|irssi> strange
[02:34] <Vjaz> Did you install the sarge package or something else?
[02:34] <dust> lo
[02:34] <Dave2|irssi> I can't remember
[02:35] <hondje> where could I post a problem that would get the widest viewing?
[02:35] <hondje> I have a problem that only a small number of people can help with, I fear
[02:35] <Dave2|irssi> Sarge package
[02:35] <dust> anyone have an ati radeon card working that wouldn't mind helping me out?
[02:35] <Blaamann> I changed from esd to polypaudio and lost sound in Rhythmbox. I then changed my multimedia standard sink to OSS and it works again,  but I don't understand why ? I thought I should find a polypaudio choice in there I had to choose.
[02:35] <we2by> dust, here
[02:35] <Burgundavia> dust, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:35] <Vjaz> Dave2|irssi: Ok. That's weird then.
[02:35] <Vjaz> Dave2|irssi: I assume you're running Hoary?
[02:35] <Dave2|irssi> Breezy. Yes, I know, /topic etc.
[02:36] <bob2> hondje: just ask
[02:36] <bob2> hondje: then try the list if no one here knows
[02:36] <hondje> oh, a list, I like those
[02:36] <dust> Burgundavia: thanks, i'll look into it
[02:36] <hondje> I'm trying to find someone that got matlab openGL working with nvidia and ubuntu
[02:37] <Vjaz> Dave2|irssi: Hey. Do you use the mouse gestures in Opera?
[02:37] <Dave2|irssi> Not very heavily
[02:37] <Dave2|irssi> The back one occasionally
[02:37] <Vjaz> Dave2|irssi: Because I'm usually doing a gesture when it crashes.
[02:37] <ubuntu_nz> hondje: check this out, re ZIP drives - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-12074.html
[02:37] <Dave2|irssi> ah
[02:37] <Vjaz> Dave2|irssi: I think it mostly happens when I'm closing a tab.
[02:38] <Vjaz> page*
[02:38] <naderman> I've got a problem with ndiswrapper, it lists my driver and hardware as present, ndiswrapper -m tells me "modprobe config already contains alias dircetive" but after reloading the ndiswrapper module, wlan0 doesn't show up in ifconfig and iwconfig
[02:38] <hondje> ubuntu_nz: thanks, that's bookmark-able
[02:38] <shiv> I get this error message when instaling mplayer, I am not sure if I have the repositories enabled (see #flood)
[02:39] <k31th> wtf this is pissing me off iv added this mount to fstab and it still wont let a standard user acces it
[02:39] <k31th> even tho i added user to the fstab file
[02:39] <bob2> k31th: that's not what the user option does
[02:39] <k31th> wtf not? root can acces it fine
[02:39] <hondje> shiv: flood again plz?
[02:39] <bob2> k31th: if it's a ntfs/vfat filesystem, replace user with umask=002
[02:39] <k31th> bob2: thank you
[02:40] <hondje> shiv: Are you using multiverse or the marillat repos?
[02:40] <kisain> um i have a question
[02:40] <kisain> i'm on my windoze machene
[02:40] <kisain> and starting the ubuntu setup from cd
[02:40] <Blaamann> shiv: ubuntuaddons gives you mplayer
[02:40] <kisain> i was wonderig where the software raid 1 option is in the setup?
[02:41] <naderman> hmm, I completely recompiled and reinstalled ndiswrapper but wlan0 still doesn't show up.
[02:41] <we2by> mplayer does no work on my machine
[02:41] <we2by> :(
[02:41] <shiv> I have no idea which repos i have, i am a newbie
[02:41] <bob2> shiv: it's because you put marillat in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:41] <hondje> shiv: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep marr
[02:41] <bob2> probably because someone told you to and you didn't question them
[02:41] <bob2> just remove it
[02:42] <Blaamann> Why is marillat bad ?
[02:42] <bob2> because it doesn't actually work with ubuntu
[02:42] <kisain> any ideas?
[02:43] <bob2> sometimes some of the things do, but atm mplayer, for instance, doesn't
[02:43] <Blaamann> Ok, I better remove it then
[02:43] <bob2> kisain: boot the expert mode
[02:43] <Burgundavia> shiv, if you want that stuff, hoary-extras from the backports is available
[02:43] <kisain> bob2 how do i do that?
[02:43] <kisain> and thanx
[02:43] <bob2> kisain: read the screen when it boots, it explains it
[02:43] <kisain> ok
[02:43] <k31th> bob2: that did not work now it wont even mount
[02:43] <bob2> k31th: then your fstab is broken
[02:43] <bob2> k31th: paste the whole thing to #flood
[02:44] <k31th> bob2: ok
[02:46] <kisain> the help file tells me to type expert but do i do this at the setup screen when i turn the box on and it boots from the cd?
[02:47] <niklin> sudo mdadm /dev/md0 gives me weird ansvers: Without --detail I get "/dev/md0: No md super block found, not an md component." --- with --detail, one line sounds "    Persistence : Superblock is persistent". what does it mean+
[02:47] <dust> no dice on getting 3d acc :(
[02:47] <naderman> nobody had this ndiswrapper problem I have?
[02:47] <Nermal> naderman: ?
[02:47] <dust> DRI isn't loading for some reason
[02:47] <hemppa> kisain: type expert to first menu that appears
[02:47] <naderman> Nermal: ndiswrapper lists my driver and hardware as present, ndiswrapper -m tells me "modprobe config already contains alias dircetive" but after reloading the ndiswrapper module, wlan0 doesn't show up in ifconfig and iwconfig
[02:48] <naderman> I also recompiled ndiswrapper, and reinstalled it
[02:48] <naderman> but still no device shows up :(
[02:49] <bob2> k31th: if you add the user option, it won't mount at boot
[02:49] <bob2> kisain: yes
[02:49] <Seveas> bob2, don't you need noauto for taht?
[02:49] <k31th> bob2:   so if i leave as is it will mount at boot ?
[02:50] <bob2> hm, I thougt user implied noauto, but it seems I'm wrong
[02:50] <naderman> Nermal: any idea?
[02:50] <Seveas> user implies noexec,nodev,nosuid
[02:51] <yahalom> is there anyway to do a server install and then configure pppoe?
[02:51] <bob2> yahalom: of course...
[02:51] <kisain> ok
[02:51] <kisain> i did tha wow does it get complicated lol
[02:51] <Blaamann> naderman: What kind of wireless card are you using ?
[02:51] <naderman> pci
[02:52] <naderman> it worked with warty
[02:52] <urb85> hello ppl
[02:52] <naderman> but in hoary ifconfig and iwconfig don't show wlan0
[02:52] <Seveas> naderman, have you reinstalled or upgraded?
[02:52] <naderman> I have upgraded
[02:52] <Blaamann> naderman: What about iwlist scan ?
[02:53] <Seveas> and does ndiswrapper -l still say that drivers & hardware are there?
[02:53] <yahalom> bob2, how?
[02:53] <naderman> doesn't show anything, cause it doesn't find a wireless device
[02:53] <naderman> Seveas: yes
[02:53] <bob2> yahalom: run 'sudo pppoeconf' after install
[02:53] <yahalom> bob2, just install the pppoe files and run them, it doesnt need x?
[02:53] <Seveas> and is the ndiswrapper module loaded?
[02:53] <naderman> yes
[02:54] <Seveas> and have you typed ndiswrapper -m since upgrading (don't know if it's neccessary but it won't hurt)
[02:54] <naderman> yes, I did
[02:54] <naderman> and yes, the alias is in /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper
[02:54] <naderman> wlan0 alias ndiswrapper
[02:54] <naderman> eh
[02:54] <naderman> alias wlan0 ndiswrapper
[02:54] <urb85> ppl, doeas somebody of you know where this folder is: $QTDIR/examples/demo ??
[02:55] <Nermal> you install qt ?
[02:55] <Nermal> why not do locate demo |grep qt
[02:55] <Seveas> urb85, my guess: /usr/shae/doc/something-with-qt-in-the-name/examples/demo
[02:55] <kisain> bob2 any idea where and what i need to do to get the expert install going with raid 1?
[02:55] <Seveas>  /usr/share even
[02:55] <urb85> Seveas, thanks I will try
[02:55] <bob2> kisain: you don't want raid 1, that would be trivial
[02:55] <Nermal> or /usr/lib/qt/3
[02:56] <bob2> kisain: you want "root on software raid", which is way more complicated
[02:56] <kisain> um yes
[02:56] <naderman> Seveas: any other idea what might be the problem?
[02:56] <bob2> so make sure you say that when you ask people for help
[02:57] <Seveas> you say wlan0 does not even show up, are you 100% sure the module is loaded? try lsmod | grep ndis
[02:57] <kisain> is it really something i shouldne't do?
[02:57] <naderman> Seveas: yes, did that
[02:57] <naderman> and yes, it is loaded
[02:57] <naderman> 150% sure :P
[02:58] <E0x> hello
[02:58] <Seveas> i'm wondering..
[02:58] <naderman> so am I
[02:58] <mod^> what program can emulate cd's, like daemon tools?
[02:58] <Seveas> mod^, you don't need to emulate it
[02:58] <Fator_Dee> mod^: mount
[02:58] <Seveas> you can simply mount cd images
[02:58] <hondje> mod^: You can use nautilus to burn stuff to ISOs
[02:58] <mod^> well
[02:58] <hondje> and then mount them using loopback
[02:59] <mod^> this is 1.4gb iso
[02:59] <urb85> Seveas, sorry not there
[02:59] <mod^> so I can't burn it
[02:59] <refuze2looze> then it's a DVD iso...
[02:59] <whyameye> I'm using ndiswrapper w/ a wireless card right now. If I wanted to switch wireless cards, what would be the procedure i.e. is it "plug and play" or is the ndiswrapper for the old card going to try to load when I put it in?
[02:59] <mod^> yes
[02:59] <Seveas> naderman, try removing the drivers (maybe even remove the files from /etc/ndiswrapper) and reinstalling them
[02:59] <E0x> have problem with ipod and hoary , when i connect it ubuntu automount it ( a nice thing ) fine and i can access with data fine and write permission fine , but when i use program like gtkpod or easytag on it make the ipod unwriteable
[02:59] <refuze2looze> you can mount the .iso instead of burning it
[02:59] <naderman> Seveas: did so two times
[02:59] <Seveas> whyameye, plug-and-play
[02:59] <naderman> even recompiled ndiswrapper
[02:59] <mod^> refuze2looze: ok
[02:59] <kisain> sorry got disconnected lol
[03:00] <ec0> Could anyone say why Ubuntu is better than the other distributions? :)
[03:00] <Fator_Dee> mod^: something like this "sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/isofile /path/to/mount/isofile"
[03:00] <refuze2looze> mod^: try this:   sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/iso
[03:00] <ec0> Like slack..
[03:00] <Seveas> naderman, mount -o loop /path/to/isofile /path/to/mountpoint
[03:00] <whyameye> Seveas: so I already tried this and the link didn't come up. So that means the driver for the new card must not yet be on my local computer, huh?
[03:00] <refuze2looze> mod^: create the dir /mnt/iso first
[03:00] <bob2> ec0: no, try it and see
[03:00] <mod^> ok, thanks :)
[03:00] <ec0> but it worth it, right?
[03:00] <ec0> :)
[03:00] <Seveas> whyameye, if you use ndiswrapper, you need to install the windows drivers for your card using ndiswrapper -i
[03:00] <naderman> Seveas: you meant mod^ didn't you?
[03:01] <Seveas> mod^, mount -o loop /path/to/isofile /path/to/mountpoint
[03:01] <Seveas> indeed, mixup, sorry naderman
[03:01] <naderman> np ;-)
[03:01] <Seveas> wish i could help you too, but i really have no idea what's wrong
[03:01] <Seveas> lspci does show your card?
[03:01] <naderman> it seems like modprobe doesn't add the alias
[03:01] <naderman> yes, it shows it
[03:02] <refuze2looze> doesn't he need to specify the filesystem using -t iso9660?
[03:02] <whyameye> Seveas, so can I have more than one wireless driver installed thru ndiswrapper, and the os takes care of activating the right driver based on which card I put in?
[03:02] <naderman> so how can I make modprobe add that alias
[03:02] <Seveas> whyameye, it should
[03:03] <Seveas> naderman, the ndiswrapper aliases file is not somewhere under /etc/modprobe.d/arch/ is it?
[03:03] <naderman> it's /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper
[03:03] <Seveas> naderman, try a depmod -a before inserting the module and dmesg right after
[03:04] <Seveas> and see what dmesg says
[03:04] <naderman> ok
[03:04] <whyameye> Seveas, thanks. I'll give it a shot...
[03:04] <LinuxJones> Good morning everybody
[03:04] <naderman> ndiswrapper version 1.1 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no)
[03:05] <naderman> nothing more than that
[03:05] <Seveas> :|
[03:05] <naderman> can you manually add aliases?
[03:05] <Seveas> i must confess that i have never used ndiswrapper on hoary
[03:05] <naderman> or how does iwconfig/ifconfig get the network devices?
[03:06] <Seveas> naderman, try: cat /proc/net/dev
[03:06] <thenuke_> does anyone know what is this? http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/hoary/install/ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso   or this http://torrent.ubuntu.com/custom/20050516/hoary-install-i386.iso
[03:06] <Seveas> does it show uo there?
[03:06] <naderman> no
[03:06] <whyameye> Seveas, I'm using ndiswrapper on hoary now. It works great.
[03:07] <Seveas> naderman, hmm, somehow your driver isn't loaded into the kernel
[03:07] <naderman> yeah, but why? :'(
[03:07] <Seveas> no clue :S
[03:07] <refuze2looze> thenuke_: the first one is the install cd for amd64 processors and the second for x86 processors..
[03:08] <thenuke_> refuze2looze: oh :-) seems like so, but custom and simple?
[03:08] <Seveas> so lets wrap up: ndiswrapper -l shows it, it loads fine, the alias is added, but the driver somehow is not loaded. Is that correct?
[03:08] <naderman> yes
[03:08] <refuze2looze> custom and simple?
[03:08] <thenuke_> refuze2looze: check the urls
[03:09] <Seveas> naderman, i am stunned :S i'd suggest asking on the mailinglsit, since there are lots more people who can read it there
[03:09] <refuze2looze> thenuke_: yeah, it starts downloading the file. what's the problem?
[03:09] <Fox_Mulder> hy
[03:09] <naderman> Seveas: which one?
[03:09] <Fox_Mulder> people, my laptop blocks with acpi on...
[03:09] <Fox_Mulder> what I have to do?
[03:09] <Seveas> naderman, ubuntu-users@list.ubuntu.com
[03:09] <naderman> ok
[03:09] <Fikrann> Hello.
[03:09] <Seveas> Fox_Mulder, boot with acpi off :)
[03:10] <thenuke_> refuze2looze: pffft.. What is the difference between, http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/hoary/install/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso  and http://torrent.ubuntu.com/custom/20050516/hoary-install-i386.iso
[03:10] <Fox_Mulder> Seveas: I want boot with acpi on
[03:10] <Seveas> thenuke_, they are symlinks
[03:10] <Fikrann> Anyone here using OO.org on bleeding-edge Breezy?
[03:10] <hillel> What is the package name of the package with the kernel source for 2.6.10-5?
[03:10] <Seveas> Fox_Mulder, warty or hoary?
[03:10] <Fox_Mulder> hoary
[03:10] <Seveas> file a bug then :)
[03:10] <thenuke_> Seveas: but point to different files anyways
[03:11] <thenuke_> Seveas: so.. what might be the difference
[03:11] <Seveas> thenuke_, is that so? hmm
[03:11] <nitroXL> i had the same problem .. i had to put acpi=off and pnpbios=off
[03:11] <thenuke_> yes, their sizes differ
[03:11] <Fox_Mulder> Seveas: I have download the acpi patch to kernel
[03:11] <Seveas> ah, i see, it's a custom cd
[03:11] <Fox_Mulder> but gives me one error whe I'm compiling the kernel
[03:11] <thenuke_> Seveas: ok, so what might that mean :)
[03:12] <Seveas> no idea :)
[03:12] <Fikrann> Is anyone here having problems with OO.org on Breezy?
[03:12] <Fox_Mulder> make[2] : *** [drivers/pci/quirks.o]  Error 1
[03:12] <Burgundavia> Fikrann, there are some reported ones
[03:12] <thenuke_> Fikrann: why did you upgrade to breezy :I
[03:12] <Burgundavia> Fikrann, which problem specifically?
[03:13] <Vjaz> Bah, I'm disappointed. The Glade interface builder's own interface is not made with Glade.
[03:13] <Fikrann> When I click on any menu in OO, it crashes instantly.
[03:13] <Seveas> has been reported :)
[03:14] <refuze2looze> fikrann: you probably shouldn't use breezy yet
[03:14] <_kevin> i noticed if you leave Ubuntu runnin on over night or for like more then a day it slows down alot
[03:14] <Fikrann> I'm quite used to hanging on Debian's bleeding edge.
[03:14] <_kevin> and the Nautulis thingy keeps crashing
[03:14] <_kevin> if u leave it on for a long time
[03:14] <mz2> any idea when newer builds of OOo 2 will be available for Hoary?
[03:14] <hondje> _kevin: Hoary?
[03:14] <_kevin> yes
[03:15] <_kevin> 5.04
[03:15] <mz2> or OOo 1.9, whatever :)
[03:15] <hondje> _kevin: interesting...are you using it for desktop or server?
[03:15] <_kevin> desktop
[03:15] <refuze2looze> _kevin: i've had ubuntu running for days and no slow down at all
[03:15] <_kevin> and it can't be my hardware since i used it on windows and it would run smooth even after a week of my com being on
[03:16] <hondje> how much mem / swap?
[03:16] <thenuke_> I wonder how often Ubuntu is used as a server, I have my p133 running ubuntu as a server
[03:16] <refuze2looze> _kevin: you're living in bizzaro land
[03:16] <Seveas> mz2 never.
[03:16] <_kevin> like I'm runnin AMD 1.4 Ghz and 128 MB RAM... and plus ubuntu runs great when i shut down and restarts but over time is starts slowing down and crashing and things of that nature
[03:16] <Seveas> only if they find serious or security bugs
[03:16] <hondje> thenuke_: I thought about giving it a spin, but I ended up sticking with sarge
[03:16] <Fikrann> _kevin, try logging out and back in...
[03:16] <hondje> stablity makes me happy on my backups and the like
[03:17] <hondje> _kevin: instead of rebooting, try restarting X by doing ctrl-alt-backspace
[03:17] <_kevin> if i log out and log back in, will all the program i have runnin close?
[03:17] <Seveas> yes _kevin
[03:17] <hondje> _kevin: yes, though there's some 'save the setup' button
[03:17] <_kevin> ok let me save my work and try it
[03:17] <mz2> Seveas, hmm, the current build is still pre-beta even, I'm sure they'll package it at least when it's released? and if it comes to serious bugs in that crappy pre-beta, there're plenty of those available :)
[03:18] <Seveas> mz2 OOo2 on hoary is in universe
[03:18] <Seveas> they will not update it
[03:18] <_kevin> ok.. now i just press ctrl + alt + backspace
[03:18] <Seveas> newer OOo2 builds will only be available on breezy
[03:18] <_kevin> i have open office on 5.04
[03:18] <_kevin> and it works good now
[03:19] <Seveas> _kevin, that's OOo 1.X
[03:19] <bigfoot> hi all: i downloaded the ascii game called "overkill" via synaptic. How do I run it? I tried "Run Application"--> overkill, but it doesn't work.
[03:19] <refuze2looze> he's talking about ooo 2
[03:19] <_kevin> no i got the 1.9.milestone
[03:19] <[koji] > launch tomboy and gave me a message "All done" but nothing was launch?
[03:19] <Shadow_aok> hi
[03:19] <_kevin> it's also known as 2.0
[03:19] <Seveas> bigfoot, lauch a terminal and type 'overkill' in there
[03:19] <Seveas> _kevin, ah :)
[03:19] <Shadow_aok> someone can tell me how add modules to launch at boot plz ?
[03:19] <Seveas> yeah that one works pretty fine too
[03:20] <Shadow_aok> (cannot boot ubuntu on my usb drive)
[03:20] <_kevin> the installation was alot of problems but i figured it out and somehow made it work
[03:20] <Seveas> Shadow_aok, add them, each on their own line to /etc/modules
[03:20] <Shadow_aok> thx
[03:20] <el_menor> i'm a noob ...how do I install AMSN?
[03:20] <_kevin> let me log out and log back in and se eif any changes occur
[03:20] <bigfoot> Seveas, yes, i put a checkbox on "Run in Terminal" and it loaded. Funny. I'd think that Ubuntu could find out whether it should run in terminal or not. Your thoughts?
[03:20] <Seveas> el_menor, search for it in synaptic
[03:20] <Seveas> bigfoot, impossible :)
[03:20] <el_menor> synaptic???
[03:20] <refuze2looze> el_menor: apt-get amsn (if you have universe repositories enabled)
[03:21] <Seveas> el_menor, system->administration->synaptic package manager
[03:21] <el_menor> alright
[03:21] <el_menor> thnks
[03:21] <Fikrann> Shadow_aok, you probably want to add usb-ohci, usbstorage and sd_mod modules to your initrd.
[03:21] <Shadow_aok> reboot time
[03:22] <Shadow_aok> thk for help
[03:22] <Seveas> Shadow_aok, indeed, listen to Fikrann
[03:22] <Shadow_aok> Fikrann: yes
[03:22] <Seveas> if you want to boot from your usb drive, you need to do that
[03:22] <Shadow_aok> i've add ehci-hcd, usb-storage, scsi_mod & sd_mod
[03:22] <Shadow_aok> will add what you say
[03:22] <Fikrann> Or simpler, compile them in to your kernel.
[03:23] <Shadow_aok> i've tried to create an initrd file but failed
[03:23] <topyli> ahh. i think i'm going to like beagle now that i got it working
[03:24] <Shadow_aok> how can i compile them ?
[03:24] <Fikrann> Shadow_aok, then the simplest way is to compile everything you need into your kernel.
[03:25] <bigfoot> Seveas, you familiar with the game? it asks for a server address.  I don't know what to put?
[03:25] <jbailey> Fikrann: Err.  Compiling a new kernel is simpler than editting one file and running one command? =)
[03:25] <Shadow_aok> lol
[03:25] <hondje> in System -> Preferences -> Removable Mounts and Drives, multimedia tab, I have 'Video DVD Discs' set to run 'xine --auto-play --auto-scan dvd'
[03:25] <el_menor> seveas, what i should cauz i don't see it in the list and already download it   ...
[03:26] <Seveas> Shadow_aok, add these mosules to /etc/mmkinitrd/modules
[03:26] <hondje> Can I add commands with either ; or && like in bash?
[03:26] <Shadow_aok> k
[03:26] <hondje> So that I can renice it
[03:26] <Seveas> run mkinitrd, and put the generated initrd into /boot
[03:26] <Seveas> then update menu.lst
[03:26] <Shadow_aok> thx
[03:26] <refuze2looze> el_menor: read the universe wiki
[03:26] <shiv> this is the list of my repositories, what else to add to get mplayer (see #flood)
[03:27] <el_menor> universe wiki???
[03:27] <Seveas> hondje, i guess that these commands are passed to exec..(bash, '-c', so: yes :)
[03:27] <hondje> Seveas: great thinking, thanks :)
[03:28] <Seveas> hondje, but why renice?
[03:28] <refuze2looze> el_menor: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[03:28] <Seveas> simply say: nice -n something someprog arg1 arg2
[03:28] <hondje> Seveas: could I just nice?
[03:28] <hondje> oh, okay
[03:28] <Seveas> sure, why not :)
[03:28] <Seveas> read nice's manpage :)
[03:28] <hondje> what's the difference between nice and renice?
[03:29] <Seveas> nice first sets nice level and the starts
[03:29] <shiv> any help?
[03:29] <Seveas> renice adjusts the nice level of a running program
[03:29] <shiv> this is the list of my repositories, what else to add to get mplayer (see #flood)
[03:29] <hondje> Seveas: ah, okay. Thanks!
[03:29] <Seveas> shiv, pasting it in a pastebin is more useful
[03:30] <shiv> how do I do that?
[03:30] <Seveas> because not everybody is in #flood
[03:30] <Seveas> shiv: go to http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[03:32] <FST> dont use breezy? hmm...
[03:32] <Nomikos> when i try to open a file from within the terminal, like "open file.txt", the colors of the screen get really mixed up. meanwhile the file doesn't open. anyone?
[03:32] <rama> hello. cant get mp3 to play even after installing totem-xine. help
[03:33] <topyli> FST: yeah. don't use it. break it and fix it, don't use :)
[03:33] <ekpneo__> rama: try installing gstreamer-mad from universe
[03:33] <Fator_Dee> rama: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats 6th chapter
[03:33] <Seveas> Nomikos, what do you want to do with the file?
[03:33] <FST> break it and fix it ? :)
[03:33] <choclunch> i dont see minicom as a package
[03:34] <choclunch> where do i get it from :o
[03:34] <_kevin> i realized i had some problems with the automount feature, I was trying to auto mount two drives at the same time
[03:34] <_kevin> is that possible?
[03:34] <Nomikos> Seveas: have it open in the application that handles files of its type. like mp3 should be opened by the music player
[03:34] <hondje> In plan9 maybe
[03:34] <topyli> FST: yeah. in other words, test it and make it rock :)
[03:34] <_kevin> i have two different partitions i want to mount, a FAT, and a NTFS
[03:34] <hondje> mounting two partitions at same spot == cool
[03:35] <FST> oh thats what u mean
[03:35] <_kevin> for some reason doesn't work
[03:35] <chocoIate> Seveas : do you know where i can get minicom :o
[03:35] <_kevin> it has to be one or the other
[03:35] <Seveas> chocoIate, nope
[03:35] <Nomikos> but what bothers me more is that the screen colors go all funky :-) is there some way to restart that without rebooting?
[03:35] <Seveas> Nomikos, open in a terminal does not do that
[03:35] <Nomikos> Seveas: found that out :-)
[03:36] <Shadow_aok> everything seems to be ok
[03:36] <Shadow_aok> will reboot
[03:36] <Seveas> Nomikos, just close the terminal
[03:36] <Shadow_aok> thx for help :)
[03:36] <Nomikos> Seveas: it's the whole screen, not the terminal; also this was via SSH
[03:37] <Nomikos> Seveas:like, very dark colors in the desktop image become bright orange and green and yellow, it looks really disco :-)
[03:38] <_kevin> Can some one tell me how to mount two Paritions at once, one is NTFS and the Other is FAT
[03:39] <Fikrann> _kevin, use mount twice?
[03:39] <_kevin> i did that
[03:40] <kengur> i can't mount FAT partition to RW for ordinary user no matter what =(
[03:40] <_kevin> it shows the frist one and the wen i moutn the second one, the first one disappears and shows the contents of the second one
[03:40] <Seveas> _kevin, you cannot do that in one command
[03:40] <bob2> kengur: sure you can
[03:40] <el_menor> where i found the console?
[03:40] <bob2> kengur: umask=002 in the options field
[03:40] <_kevin> yes
[03:40] <_kevin> el_menor right click and goto terminal
[03:40] <bob2> _kevin: you can't mount them both in the same place
[03:40] <_kevin> ohh
[03:41] <Fikrann> _kevin, if you mount them both to the same dir, one will mask the other.
[03:41] <_kevin> yes
[03:41] <_kevin> that's what was happening
[03:41] <_kevin> how would i mount in different places if there a tutorial
[03:41] <_kevin> maybe someone can add it to ubuntuguide.org
[03:41] <bob2> sudo mkdir /mnt/c ; sudo mkdir /mnt/d
[03:41] <bob2> then mount one on /mnt/c and one on /mnt/d
[03:41] <rama> ekpeneo_/is gsteamer-mad in multiverse ?
[03:42] <_kevin> ohh alright
[03:42] <bob2> rama: no, it's in universe
[03:42] <_kevin> i get it
[03:42] <bob2> rama: you want gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:42] <cspan> when i mount the cdrom everything slows down terribly... i read somewhere i should enable dma for my cdrom drive, but i don't know how to do that
[03:43] <Shadow_aok> doesn't work :(
[03:43] <Sauron21> I was just wondering if anyone know what happend to Ubuntu at Distrowatch ???
[03:43] <dmouritsendk> cspan: I have the exact same problem, and dma is enabled here.
[03:43] <cspan> ok, then probably it is here too
[03:43] <Sauron21> it just disappeared....
[03:43] <Shadow_aok> got the error : pivot_root : no suh file or directory
[03:43] <dmouritsendk> cspan: try and doa hdparm -i /dev/cdrom
[03:43] <cspan> dmouritsendk, as root?
[03:43] <Fikrann> cspan, hdparm -xudma5 -d1 /dev/cdrom
[03:43] <ubuntu> hello ppl..
[03:43] <ubuntu> :)
[03:43] <Shadow_aok> and now grub doesn't work anymore, exit at boot with error 21
[03:44] <Shadow_aok> lo
[03:44] <Nomikos> waah, my OS is talking to me
[03:44] <Fikrann> heh
[03:44] <bob2> Shadow_aok: don't use breezy
[03:44] <bob2> Shadow_aok: there is a reason we told you not to use it
[03:44] <ubuntu> im new in linux ubuntu i have tried the live cd.. where can i see if my printer is installed?
[03:44] <bob2> and this is it
[03:44] <Shadow_aok> ?
[03:44] <Shadow_aok> breezy ???
[03:44] <bob2> Shadow_aok: you're using the broken development branch of ubuntu
[03:44] <kengur> bob2, doesn't help much =(
[03:44] <bob2> Shadow_aok: paste /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[03:44] <rama> bob2: thnx. is this documented somewhere. maybe if its a wiki I'll attend to it
[03:44] <Shadow_aok> k
[03:44] <dmouritsendk> cspan: i think u need to use sudo, if you wanna change the settings but -i just prints your current settings
[03:44] <bob2> rama: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:44] <Weems> I burned the Ubuntu cd in k3b and I couldnt boot from it
[03:45] <E0x> bob2: remember the ipod problem ? well when i use app like easytag or gtkpod on it make it unwritable and i dont why , before that i can write without problem on it
[03:45] <Shadow_aok> i use kubuntu 5.0.4, why this dev is broken ?
[03:45] <bob2> kengur: if you don't understand something, explain which bit you don't understand
[03:45] <E0x> and send a mail to the user-list
[03:45] <ubuntu> im new in linux ubuntu i have tried the live cd.. where can i see if my printer is installed?
[03:45] <bob2> Shadow_aok: paste that file to #flood
[03:45] <Shadow_aok> ok
[03:45] <cspan> dmouritsendk, -i says the active dma mode is mdma2
[03:45] <el_menor> plz    help  me..i download amsn  but i don,t  have any idea of how to install it!!
[03:46] <bob2> el_menor: no need to download it, it's in ubuntu
[03:46] <kengur> bob2, i've tried all kinds of settings in /etc/fstab but it doesn't allow me to write as ordinary user
[03:46] <bob2> el_menor: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[03:46] <bob2> kengur: umask=002 is the setting you need
[03:46] <Shadow_aok> bob2> done
[03:46] <bob2> kengur: unless it's a unix filesystem like ext3 or reiser
[03:46] <Seveas> el_menor, you do not have to download it yourself
[03:46] <kengur> it's vfat
[03:46] <bob2> kengur: then umask=002 is what you need
[03:47] <bob2> kengur: show us the line from your fstab
[03:47] <_kevin> bob2 what u told me worked like a charm
[03:47] <bob2> _kevin: excellent!
[03:47] <kengur> /dev/hda1 	/windows 	vfat 	umask=002	0	0
[03:47] <norm_> it seems i can't adjust the motion of my touchpad via System -> Preferences -> Mouse - are there any alternatives i haven't found?
[03:47] <_kevin> mabe you should add more details about it on the ubuntuguide.org
[03:47] <bob2> kengur: did you remount it after you changed that file?
[03:47] <hondje> is there a wiki form of that ubuntu guide?
[03:47] <bob2> Shadow_aok: that's all you have in there?
[03:47] <hondje> I liked it, but thought more could be added
[03:47] <Shadow_aok> yes
[03:47] <kengur> just did mount -a
[03:48] <Seveas> kengur, mount -o remount /dev/hda1
[03:48] <bob2> hondje: the doc team were going to import it to subversion, but they seem to be doing some sort of doc portal instead
[03:48] <hondje> ah
[03:48] <hondje> I saw lots of little things I could have added, or grammer to fix, etc
[03:48] <dmouritsendk> cspan: yea, and mine tells me that im using udma. but hdparm -d tells me dma isn't enabled
[03:48] <kengur> it still doesn't allow me to del files or anything
[03:48] <Shadow_aok> bob2> sources.list.apt-setup is bigger but in sources.list i've only these lines
[03:48] <bob2> hondje: it would be good to be able to change it
[03:49] <bob2> kengur: sudo umount /windows ; sudo mount /windows
[03:49] <bob2> Shadow_aok: that is very very odd then
[03:49] <bob2> Shadow_aok: is this the livecd?
[03:49] <hondje> bob2: Yeah, especially with a community this large, though making sure it doesn't become TOO detailed would be hard
[03:49] <dmouritsendk> cspan: i tried enabling it by hand, and i've modified hdparm.conf
[03:49] <kisain> has anyone here used software raid?
[03:49] <kengur> sudo umount -l /windows
[03:49] <hondje> why does hdparm.conf have no good defaults? Too hard for the installer?
[03:50] <Shadow_aok> bob2> i run with the live cd but the file comes from my kubuntu install on my usb drive
[03:50] <kengur> does the force option effect this thing?
[03:50] <Fikrann> kisain, yes.
[03:50] <bob2> kengur: no, don't use -l
[03:50] <Seveas> kengur, i think you need to add rw to the options too
[03:50] <ekpneo__> openssh-server is giving an error with 'dpkg-split' .. any ideas?
[03:50] <cspan> dmouritsendk, -d says i do have it enabled
[03:50] <dmouritsendk> cspan: nothing seems to do the trick , I know nothing is wrong with the drive or controller. I have a gentoo install on this machine too, where the hdparm command works fine (hence hdparm -d1 actually enables dma :p)
[03:50] <bob2> ekpneo__: on hoary?
[03:51] <dmouritsendk> cspan: i think it pretty messed up, doesn't seem to work right
[03:51] <ekpneo__> bob2: yeah
[03:51] <bob2> ekpneo__: not breezy?
[03:51] <cspan> don't worry dmouritsendk, i will just not use the cd
[03:51] <ekpneo__> nope
[03:51] <bob2> Shadow_aok: hm, I don't know then, sorry.  try #kubuntu?
[03:51] <cspan> i have dsl so it's not a big deal
[03:51] <Shadow_aok> ok np :)
[03:51] <Shadow_aok> thx
[03:51] <kengur> bob2, the dev is busy, so i can't umount
[03:52] <kengur> none of the above works =(
[03:52] <bob2> kengur: then you need to fix that
[03:52] <Seveas> kengur, close all terminals/nautilus windows that have that folder open
[03:52] <bob2> kengur: close whatever is accessing it
[03:52] <kengur> brb
[03:53] <naderman> lol Seveas: thanks for your help, I recompiled again to post everything I did to the ml, and now it suddenly works, I did everything exactly as I did it the last time, but now it works :)
[03:53] <Seveas> lol naderman :)
[03:53] <el_menor> bob2 the name of the file to  install amsn is kopete or sometinhg laike that
[03:53] <Seveas> good to see that it works though
[03:53] <bob2> el_menor: no, it' amsn
[03:53] <NicP> man anyone else think the openoffice dictionary sucks
[03:53] <cspan> i have another problem: i just built a kernel, using http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html for instructions, and when i try to boot from it it doesn't. i take a look in /boot/ and there is no initrd.img for the current kernel. any ideas?
[03:54] <naderman> Seveas: yeah, I was quite surprised when dmesg suddenly said, ndiswrapper: driver bcmwl5 loaded
[03:54] <naderman> :)
[03:54] <NicP> i thought the word dictionary was bad
[03:54] <NicP> but its fucking heaven to the shit in OO
[03:54] <Hackmo|sleep> hey all
[03:54] <jbailey> cspan: What ddn't the Ubuntu kernel have that you needed?
[03:54] <wp> excuse me
[03:54] <cspan> jbailey, realtime
[03:55] <Hackmo> Anyone here use a webcam?
[03:55] <cspan> trsut me, i'd rather NOT build any kernels
[03:56] <jbailey> cspan: Right.  Just that alot of discussion in here realtes to building kernels and initrd stuff.  I hack on the initrd-tools, and am always looking for ways to keep people from having to touch this stuff on their own. =)
[03:56] <hondje> I have a minidvcam I used for a webcam, once
[03:56] <hondje> works better on the mac though
[03:56] <Hackmo> ok, well anyone use a USB cam?
[03:57] <hondje> Oh, I used a USB cam too, once...a philips
[03:57] <hondje> I had the image put on my website, was kinda neat
[03:57] <el_menor> bob2  theres n0o package  with that name
[03:58] <Hackmo> hondje: what did you need to do to get it working?
[03:58] <Seveas> el_menor, you need to enable universe
[03:58] <el_menor> how do i do it?
[03:58] <cspan> jbailey, i would be really happy if i had realtime support out of the box, or even a realtime binary package of the kernel
[03:58] <cspan> but i havent been able to find it
[03:58] <simon_> hello, i can't get any sound in amaroK, can anyone help me with the output?
[03:58] <hondje> IIRC, I had to patch the kernel to get USB working (2.2 kernel), then I'd just mount the camera, /dev/sda1 at /media/camera
[03:59] <hondje> then I wrote a perl script to fetch the pics of the memory
[03:59] <el_menor> somebody tellme how d i enable universe
[03:59] <dmouritsendk> cspan: do you need realtime for jack?
[03:59] <bob2> el_menor: yes, there is
[03:59] <cspan> and since i want linux for trying audio apps
[03:59] <cspan> yeah,  for jack
[03:59] <bob2> el_menor: read that page again and enable universe
[03:59] <mindmedic> simon_, are you using gnome?
[03:59] <bob2> el_menor: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[03:59] <simon_> mindmedic, think so
[03:59] <simon_> :)
[03:59] <el_menor> howno i enable it?
[03:59] <darkaudit> el_menor: there are lines in the stock sources.list for universe... they're just commented out... uncomment them :)
[03:59] <dmouritsendk> cspan: u should try http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/
[03:59] <hondje> Hackmo: This was a long time ago, I don't know much about them now, though people seem to ahve luck with philips and logitec
[03:59] <el_menor> i read the hole page i dont found it
[03:59] <cspan> dmouritsendk, i'm on ppc
[03:59] <mindmedic> simon_, gnome uses esd sound daemon by default
[04:00] <dmouritsendk> cspan: :/
[04:00] <mindmedic> killall esd will shut it down
[04:00] <mindmedic> then kdes artsd can start
[04:00] <cspan> yeah, i know, you want realtime on ppc linux? bad luck
[04:01] <hondje> we used that camera for security :)
[04:01] <zachary> has anyone installed the 469 updates?
[04:01] <darkaudit> I replaced my onboard sound with an Audigy 2 when I did the final install on this box... all my sound JustWorked :)
[04:01] <thr1ce> zachary, to hoary?
[04:01] <Hackmo> hondje: ok, it's a phillips I have but thanks anyway
[04:01] <mindmedic> a sound daemon collects sound from multiple sound sources (musik player, system sounds) mixes them and sends them to the soundcard
[04:01] <zachary> yes
[04:01] <simon_> mindmedic, ok, should i type it in a term or what? (i'm a rookie ok)
[04:01] <simon_> okok
[04:01] <hondje> Hackmo: Plug the camera in, and then in a terminal tail -20 /var/log/messages
[04:01] <hondje> See if it's detected
[04:01] <dmouritsendk> cspan: have you tried gentoo? I've used gentoo for along time, just playing around with ubuntu atm to check it not (not especially impressed). Its a tad cumbersome, everything takes a war to install/compile. But it works
[04:02] <mindmedic> try alt+f2
[04:02] <mindmedic> and type killall esd
[04:02] <kengur> bob2, i rebooted, nothing helps
[04:02] <mindmedic> then start artsd
[04:02] <simon_> mindmedic,  my F-buttons don't work :)
[04:02] <hondje> dmouritsendk: Ubuntu is a bit of the anti-gentoo
[04:02] <kengur> bob2, might it be something with file permissions??
[04:02] <bob2> kengur: you don't need to reboot
[04:02] <bob2> kengur: no
[04:02] <thr1ce> dmouritsendk, what are you compiling?
[04:02] <mindmedic> use a console then
[04:02] <wp> how to distinguish Hoary or WARTY?:(
[04:02] <bob2> kengur: show us the output of "mount | grep window"
[04:02] <cspan> well, dmouritsendk, i don't want to spend that much time fighting with my computer
[04:02] <cspan> i'm a mac user, i want my computer to HELP, not to be in the way
[04:03] <kengur> /dev/hda1 on /windows type vfat (rw,umask=002)
[04:03] <Hackmo> hondje: yeah it is detected
[04:03] <Seveas> kengur, i never use the umask, but seperate fmask & dmask for fat disks
[04:04] <hondje> Hackmo: try mounting it, maybe it's like mine was and usbstorage module works for it :)
[04:04] <Seveas>  /dev/hda7       /data           vfat    rw,uid=dennis,gid=dennis,fmask=0133,dmask=0022 0 0
[04:04] <dmouritsendk> cspan: well, thats what distros like ubuntu, fedora, etc etc promises. They just never seem to deliver
[04:04] <Seveas> kengur, that line mounts the drive so that it will be writeable for user 'dennis'
[04:04] <cspan> yeah
[04:04] <cspan> that's true
[04:04] <Seveas> kengur, adapt it to your needs :)
[04:04] <bob2> kengur: now, 'touch /windows/foo', what happens?
[04:05] <hondje> dmouritsendk: If ubuntu didn't do it for you, give the latest suse/novell a spin
[04:05] <thr1ce> hm...do you need rw in options if you've got it as vfat ?
[04:05] <hondje> I tested it out on my bosses new laptop, and it was awesome...detected new hardware, wifi, etc...
[04:05] <kengur> bob2, permission denied
[04:05] <occy> heh anyone here know about small engines?  Trying to get my lawnmower to crank. :)
[04:05] <cspan> that's the funniest part, if you're on ppc you have ubuntu, debian, or the 300 cd's of yellowdog/fedora
[04:05] <NicP> strangely OO thinks internet should be Internet, but it lets through the following spelling errors: immidiate regareded arent stratergies unserstand compeditors couverage quantative qualatative
[04:05] <bob2> kengur: what does 'uname -r' print out?
[04:06] <NicP> i dunno if this is american english but it certainly isnt acceptable for us
[04:06] <NicP> and i cant change the bloody thing
[04:06] <occy> cleaned the airfilter... if I prime it it'll start first time every time, but then it dies out after 2 seconds or so.
[04:06] <Seveas> bob2, 002 as umask masks 'w' for 'other' so that'll never work..
[04:06] <kengur> 2.6.10-5-386
[04:06] <bob2> Seveas: did I mean 022 then? I was sure 002 was right.
[04:06] <hondje> why would internet be capitalized
[04:06] <occy> it has oil and gas. :)
[04:06] <dmouritsendk> hondje: I'll do that sometime, but  for now my gentoo install seem to do everything i need of it (the ting is i dont have especially high demands for my system, it should just be able to run gcc, java, monoc and python. Bittorrent and then burn the occational cd)
[04:06] <occy> hehe
[04:06] <Fator_Dee> occy: install linux on it
[04:06] <Hackmo> hondje: I tried mounting it but it says that it cannot find /dev/video0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[04:06] <hondje> It's just a noun, not a proper noun?
[04:07] <Seveas> bob2, i think you mean 000 :)
[04:07] <occy> Fator_Dee, doh.  I forogot that step.
[04:07] <bob2> Seveas: hm, oops
[04:07] <Seveas> kengur, take my line
[04:07] <hondje> dmouritsendk: I've used linux a long time, I think....I even tried gentoo once
[04:07] <Seveas>  /dev/hda7       /data           vfat    rw,uid=dennis,gid=dennis,fmask=0133,dmask=0022 0 0
[04:07] <bob2> kengur: ok, change it to umask=000
[04:07] <bob2> kengur: then sudo umount /windows ; sudo mount /windows
[04:07] <hondje> I like debian and ubuntu because I'm lazy....I don't work IT, I just want a desktop to get my work / fun done with
[04:07] <hondje> gentoo seems to me like a ricer distro, for people who like to tweak settings and dink with car engines
[04:07] <simon_> mindmedic,  thank you very very much :)
[04:08] <Seveas> gentoo is for people who like watching gcc output :)
[04:08] <hondje> gcc spam :)
[04:08] <hondje> Though, gentoo hardened kicks serious and major ass
[04:08] <dmouritsendk> hondje: I've used linux since 99 (redhat 7.1 i think) , and been 100% linux since 2001
[04:08] <occy> hondje, oooh, maybe I should ask them about my lawnmower.
[04:08] <occy> heh
[04:08] <hondje> I went 100% in 2000, but that's also when I really started using it
[04:08] <hondje> Windows wouldnt' install :)
[04:09] <Seveas> occy, keep an eye on buntu too
[04:09] <kengur> nothing works here
[04:09] <Seveas> :)
[04:09] <APaul> hi all.
[04:09] <dmouritsendk> hondje: i dont know about that, i'm not a ricer. I like to have a "lean" kernel, and the use is neat. but its really not why i use it
[04:09] <kengur> this is nuts, it alwas worked
[04:09] <Seveas> kengur, after mounting, type: ls -al /windows and paste that to ubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:09] <hondje> dmouritsendk: I could never get a lean kernel, though appologes for the ricer comment
[04:09] <cspan> uhhhmmmm synaptic has been stuck for about five minutes installing kaffeine... what should i do?
[04:10] <cspan> kill it?
[04:10] <cspan> wait?
[04:10] <hondje> dmouritsendk: I don't mean to imply you're a ricer, just that gentoo is suited for those who are
[04:10] <Seveas> cspan, wait
[04:10] <dmouritsendk> hondje: I got you, and you are right most are.
[04:10] <cspan> sorry, Seveas, its not installing it is 'installED'
[04:10] <hondje> dmouritsendk: Gentoo would be awesome for hardened, I think, or production servers if I ran my own patches and the like
[04:10] <Seveas> ow
[04:10] <cspan> but the progressbar doesnt move
[04:10] <Seveas> cspan, and it doesn't say "complete" oslt
[04:11] <kengur> Seveas, it's almost always drwxrwxr-x
[04:11] <thr1ce> gentoo would be nice if I had a week of my life to absolutely waste
[04:11] <hondje> I have a friend whose a genuine security guru, and he only runs gentoo....but for perpetual-newbies like me, ubuntu is good because it's polished, lets me see video clips and stuff, and I can get on with my work
[04:11] <Seveas> kengur, yeah, have you changed to umask=000 or used my line?
[04:11] <kengur> i tried both, it's umask=000 which is now
[04:11] <Seveas> ok, now *save* the file
[04:12] <cspan> also, the disclosure triangle for the terminal output doesn't work
[04:12] <Seveas> and then: sudo umount /windows
[04:12] <cspan> doesn't respond
[04:12] <Seveas> sudo mount /windows
[04:12] <dmouritsendk> hondje: it also gets a bit annoying (the amount of work you have to invest in everything, when running gentoo)
[04:12] <hondje> yeah, for a desktop that would drive me nuts
[04:12] <dmouritsendk> hondje: it took me forever to get hotplugging to work..
[04:12] <hondje> Do you still have to make your own config files?
[04:13] <dmouritsendk> hondje: I had to when i did it, haven't look back eversince though. So it might have changed now
[04:13] <hondje> yeah
[04:13] <hondje> Like my debian installs, I forget what default is
[04:13] <hondje> apt-get just keeps you current, no point in reinstalling :)
[04:13] <hondje> dmouritsendk: what do you think about slack?
[04:14] <dmouritsendk> hondje: i haven't tried it, is it good?
[04:14] <_kevin> is it possible to install wine or a windows software emulator
[04:14] <kengur> Seveas, no luck
[04:14] <Seveas> kengur, it should be
[04:14] <hondje> dmouritsendk: I thought it was a good distro, first one I tried in 90-something (I didnt' know what it was then )
[04:14] <Seveas> are you sure you *saved* the file?
[04:14] <hondje> it has the advantage of letting you cmpile X yourself, if you really care about that 1%
[04:14] <Seveas> try cat /etc/fstab in a terminal
[04:14] <kengur> Seveas, i can write only with sudo
[04:14] <rama> anyone know of a good database driven website in ubuntu repositories? php/mysql will be ideal
[04:15] <hondje> But once package management grew up, around RH 8.something, I can't go back to downloading and compiling everything by hand :)
[04:15] <bob2> rama: you mean a CMS? drupal is ok for something written in php.
[04:15] <Seveas> kengur, if you don't save your fstab, it will never work *sigh*
[04:15] <bob2> just don't use postnuke
[04:15] <bob2> er, phpnuke
[04:16] <hondje> dmouritsendk: The problem I have with slack, besides taking work, is that I'm unfamiliar with bsd-style init, and I am too lazy to learn :)
[04:16] <dmouritsendk> hondje: understandable, i dont really think the performance "gain" is worth it. I'm hardpressed to see any difference between my stage1 compiled march=pentium4  gentoo system and ubuntu
[04:16] <kengur> Seveas, if anything i'm not stupid
[04:16] <hondje> Same reason I don't install windows on a partition for games....too much work
[04:16] <nevyn> dmouritsendk: did you also add -O3 ?
[04:16] <dmouritsendk> nevyn: -O2
[04:16] <hondje> I want my computer to be stable, how do those optimizations affect that?
[04:17] <winmute> hi @ all can someone help me with unreal tournament?
[04:17] <dmouritsendk> nevyn: and pipe :p
[04:17] <hondje> are they 'safe' gcc switches?
[04:18] <anto9us> rama: I find postgresql + zope works very well
[04:18] <dmouritsendk> hondje: most are , you could get too agressive by enabling to much. But stuff like march and -O is pretty safe
[04:18] <darkaudit> winmute: ask... if someone can help they'll chime in
[04:18] <transgress> okay i'm trying to make a backup copy of one of my dvds... i've gotten it ripped to the VIDEO_TS directory where it has the .vob's and .ifo's but i'm not sure what to do next?
[04:18] <Seveas> dmouritsendk, -O9 :)
[04:18] <transgress> wait
[04:18] <transgress> i got it
[04:18] <kengur> Seveas, bob2, might this be a problem that added this partition during Ubuntu install?
[04:19] <dmouritsendk> hondje: the problem is, it takes time to maintain such a system
[04:19] <Seveas> kengur, no, if it still gives the same error you did not write it correctly to your /etc/fstab
[04:19] <Seveas> umask=002 will give drwxrwxr-x
[04:19] <winmute> my unreal tournament crashes on ubuntu hoary arround every 10 minutes....
[04:19] <Seveas> that's why umask=000 is better
[04:19] <hondje> dmouritsendk: yeah, even a simple hardened one
[04:19] <winmute> but in this time it woks great
[04:19] <hondje> which I might install for the server that runs debian now....
[04:19] <dmouritsendk> hondje: time i would rather spend coding (i'm not really that interested in how the OS works)
[04:19] <kengur> /dev/hda1 on /windows type vfat (rw,umask=000)
[04:20] <mas> hello everybody
[04:20] <kengur> this is what i get
[04:20] <Seveas> ok, THAT should work
[04:20] <mas> anyone from egypt
[04:20] <Seveas> now ls -al should give drwxrwxrwx or -rwxrwxrwx on all files in the mountpoint
[04:21] <hondje> dmouritsendk: See, that's out of my league :)
[04:21] <kengur> it still gives drwxrwxr-x
[04:21] <hondje> I was an admin for simple stuff before I got the job I have now, that's about all I know abou computers
[04:21] <hondje> When windows freezes, reboot. Rinse and repeat :)
[04:22] <hondje> Now I just take data and put gnuplot to use, easy job ;-)
[04:22] <kengur> are there any other options to achieve the same effect?
[04:22] <Seveas> kengur, hmm, sounds like the umask stuff didn't work then. As i said i never used umask. I can only tell that the line i gave you works, i know that from my own experience
[04:22] <Seveas>  /dev/hda7       /data           vfat    rw,uid=dennis,gid=dennis,fmask=0133,dmask=0022 0 0
[04:22] <Seveas> change hda7 to your partition
[04:22] <rama> anto9us: drupal installed seamlessly :) pretty cool. I'll have a go at Zope too... it looks like the dependencies are a mile long
[04:22] <Seveas> and dennis to your username
[04:22] <Seveas> and /data to /windows
[04:23] <kengur> Seveas, your line didn't work, i used umask=000 b4 and it worked fine, now it doesn't
[04:23] <hondje> I like matlab, all code should be in matlab :)
[04:23] <rama> anto9us: should I install postgresql stuff seperately for Zope?
[04:23] <Seveas> kengur, then at least add uid=someone,gid=someone
[04:23] <Seveas> and replace someone by your uid
[04:24] <anto9us> rama: yes, you need python 2.3 and psycopg to match
[04:24] <Seveas> because that'll make you owner of the files
[04:24] <Seveas> and rwxrwxr-x means that the owner *can* write
[04:24] <kengur> /dev/hda1 on /windows type vfat (rw,uid=1000,gid=1000)
[04:24] <kengur> still drwxrwxr-x
[04:24] <Seveas> btw: always use four-digit values for umask, like 0000
[04:25] <anto9us> rama: everything you need is in the repositories
[04:25] <Seveas> kengur, but YOU can now write to it
[04:25] <goldfish_> hmmmmm
[04:25] <hondje> dmouritsendk: What do YOU think ubuntu should do to make it more desktop-friend?
[04:25] <Seveas> because YOU are now the owner
[04:25] <kengur> searcher`, i can't
[04:25] <Burgundavia> hondje, file bugs
[04:25] <kengur> searcher`, owner is root
[04:25] <kengur> shit, i'm stupid
[04:25] <hondje> Burgundavia: I did a couple, no one noticed them
[04:26] <Burgundavia> hondje, where?
[04:26] <hondje> bugzilla.ubuntu I think
[04:26] <hondje> Orange site, made me registered
[04:26] <Seveas> kengur, wtf?? it SAYS it is mounted with YOU as uid/gid, are you sure you are not in the wrong folder when you try to delete???
[04:26] <Burgundavia> hondje, can you point me too them?
[04:26] <hondje> I filed a nautilus bug, where it refuses to see the smb shares
[04:26] <Burgundavia> hondje, there is an art to filing bugs, a subtle art
[04:26] <kengur> Seveas, i have to add myself to root group, no?
[04:26] <hondje> Burgundavia: One I lack :)
[04:26] <Burgundavia> hondje, I am only learning it myself
[04:26] <Seveas> kengur, no
[04:27] <Seveas> type `pwd` in the folder where you want to delete things
[04:27] <Burgundavia> hondje, practice makes perfect
[04:27] <hondje> I'm used to our bug system at work
[04:27] <hondje> You find the guy and yell at him
[04:27] <ekpneo__> hondje: lol
[04:28] <Burgundavia> hondje, if you want to discuss something that maybe isn't a bug, bring it and a possible solution to ubuntu-devel
[04:28] <hondje> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9192
[04:28] <hondje> here's the one that drives me NUTS
[04:28] <kengur> drwxrwxr-x   2 root root exactly, i'm not in the root group so it doesn't allow me to do anything, right?
[04:28] <sylvan> My mouse stopped working (?)...  How can I revert it to the settings that it had when ubuntu was first installed?
[04:28] <hondje> Burgundavia: Are you a dev?
[04:28] <Seveas> kengur, are you in the correct folder in that terminal?
[04:28] <Burgundavia> hondje, nope
[04:28] <sylvan> (it kinda looks like it processes all the mouse-deltas but then re-centers it after a while)...
[04:28] <kengur> yes
[04:28] <Burgundavia> hondje, documentor, hot air producer, etc.
[04:28] <sylvan> (so the mouse pointer flickers back and forth when I move it, always recentering itself)
[04:28] <Seveas> kengur, can't be if the fs is mounted with uid=you
[04:28] <hondje> Burgundavia: gotcha, active supporter :) Are the devs more relaxed than Debians?
[04:28] <cspan> synaptic has been stuck in 'installed kaffeine' for half an hour, what should i do, wait or kill it?
[04:29] <Burgundavia> hondje, much
[04:29] <JOAN> hello
[04:29] <hondje> good to hear, I like that
[04:29] <hondje> My best idea is for the add/remove programs thing
[04:29] <Burgundavia> hondje, I see it as unconfirmed
[04:29] <hondje> Well, no one else could reproduce it, though it still does it now w/ a whole new install
[04:29] <Burgundavia> hondje, I am working with the synaptic guys (also the add/remove program and update guy) for new interfaces for those apps
[04:29] <hondje> there should be more apps in add/remove, best-of-breed stuff
[04:29] <ekpneo> hondje: I had no problems accessing my laptop windows shared drives from ubuntu.. fresh install too
[04:30] <hondje> Newbies from windows dont' get package managers, they have to be forced not to download from sites
[04:30] <Burgundavia> hondje, basically, it will have everything
[04:30] <hondje> ekpneo: I only have problems with nautilus, xffm and konq worked fine
[04:30] <Fator_Dee> hondje: wouldn't that be a gnome problem?
[04:30] <Burgundavia> hondje, there are some infastructure pieces that need to fall into place first
[04:30] <ekpneo> hrmm.. I did it from nautilus ...
[04:30] <hondje> Burgundavia: But without all the confusing libs links?
[04:30] <hondje> ekpneo: no one else but me has that problem
[04:30] <Burgundavia> Fator_Dee, bugzilla.gnome is horibble horibble place for new bug files
[04:30] <Burgundavia> hondje, yes
[04:30] <ekpneo> interesting
[04:30] <hondje> But it works in everything BUT nautilus
[04:31] <hondje> and it works in other gnome (non-ubuntu) installs, too
[04:31] <DJSelbeck> how can i get the "send via bluetooth" menu in Nautilus?
[04:31] <sylvan> Ah..  haha.. I had my wacom "mouse" thing on the wacom board which recentered it... Windows somehow manages to detect that the wacom mouse isn't moving so it doesn't process it... Moving from the wacom board to the desk fixed it =)
[04:31] <kengur> Seveas, i added umask=0000 and it works now
[04:32] <Burgundavia> hondje, you should mention on your bug that its in those other places/distros
[04:32] <kengur> thanks for the clues
[04:32] <Burgundavia> hondje, that narrows it down
[04:32] <hondje> Burgundavia: I learned that recently, when I had a suse laptop here from work
[04:32] <Burgundavia> hondje, and means that they won;t think that is user error
[04:32] <Burgundavia> hondje, ie, misconfigured samba (which is common)
[04:32] <Bramme> is there any good direct connect client for ubuntu ? dcgui-qt/valknut works, but i can't search
[04:32] <Burgundavia> hondje, to be honest, that was the first thing that I thought when I saw the bug
[04:32] <hondje> well, that's why I stripped samba down to the bare essentials, and then posted it for them
[04:33] <kengur> but i always used umask=000 b4 and it worked just fine
[04:33] <hondje> this is why I need bug-posting hints from the BurgerMann
[04:33] <hondje> er, Burgundavia
[04:33] <Burgundavia> hondje, ironically, my last name is Burger
[04:33] <hondje> hehe, go figure :)
[04:33] <Burgundavia> hondje, and I have been called BurgerMan in the past
[04:33] <hondje> My last name ment 'whore' in 15th century french
[04:34] <Seveas> Burgundavia aka BurgerKing :)
[04:34] <Burgundavia> Seveas, we need a scoreboard
[04:34] <Burgundavia> Seveas, scratch that, I think your winning
[04:34] <Seveas> i'm the 100.000th to say that?
[04:34] <gfxstyler> hey
[04:35] <Seveas> hi
[04:35] <gfxstyler> can someone tell my why i can only access the webcam if i start gnomemeeting as root?
[04:35] <Burgundavia> gfxstyler, that would be a bug
[04:35] <hondje> can gaim work with webcams?
[04:35] <Seveas> gfxstyler, i think because only root or someone in the correct group can access the camera
[04:35] <hondje> my brother was asking me that, I'm trying to break him free
[04:35] <Burgundavia> hondje, gaim-vv, not packaged
[04:36] <hondje> oh, but it can be done :)
[04:36] <hondje> does gaim-vv work in windows?
[04:36] <Seveas> gfxstyler, what is the devicenode (ie /dev/something) of you cam?
[04:36] <Fator_Dee> Bramme: do you have a firewall?
[04:36] <Bramme> yes i have
[04:36] <rommer> what are the usual programs to have on a server?
[04:36] <gfxstyler> Seveas: can you tell me how to add a user to a certain group?
[04:36] <Bramme> (behind a router)
[04:36] <Burgundavia> hondje, no idea, I hate the app
[04:36] <Bramme> Fator_Dee, but i forwarded the asked port
[04:36] <Fator_Dee> Bramme: I'd guess you can't search because your router/firewall is misconfigured
[04:36] <Seveas> gfxstyler, read this: man addgroup
[04:36] <hondje> I don't have much use for that sorta thing, but my brother is addicted to webcam chatting
[04:36] <gfxstyler> Seveas: /dev/video0 i guess
[04:36] <_kevin> Can sum 1 tell me how to install Wine on ubuntu
[04:37] <_kevin> if there isa  tutorial
[04:37] <Seveas> gfxstyler, and can you paste the output of ls -al /dev/video* on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[04:37] <gfxstyler> Seveas: np
[04:37] <Seveas> _kevin, sudo apt-get install wine winecfg
[04:37] <hondje> whoa, there's a /dev/video?
[04:37] <_kevin> thanks bud
[04:38] <_kevin> i swear once i learn linux, and these hting I'll idle her and help out others that i can
[04:38] <Seveas> :)
[04:38] <hondje> _kevin: You'll be a genius before you know it
[04:38] <hondje> it sneaks up on you...one day it makes sense, and you forget what you did in windows
[04:38] <Seveas> indeed
[04:38] <_kevin> lol nice
[04:38] <bob2> hanging out here and on the list are great ways to learn
[04:39] <Fator_Dee> and just being here and reading others problems/advices helps a lot
[04:39] <_kevin> i really wanna forget windows
[04:39] <Bramme> Fator_Dee, set Valknut to 'Passive mode' still can't search
[04:39] <hondje> _kevin: Easy to do :)
[04:39] <Fator_Dee> Bramme: valknut works with me so... I'd check the configs again
[04:39] <_kevin> sudo apt-get install wine winecfg
[04:39] <hondje> Especially now, when I first threw it away I didn't have a choice, if I did I dunno if I'd have stuck with it
[04:39] <_kevin> i think there is a different name for it
[04:40] <hondje> three weeks trying to get usb working in mdk 7.2 :(
[04:40] <Seveas> _kevin, do you have universe enabled?
[04:40] <rommer> what are the usual programs to have on a server?
[04:40] <_kevin> ohh, my bad
[04:40] <hondje> rommer: what kinda server?
[04:40] <_kevin> i on;ly have multiverse
[04:40] <_kevin> i'll add universe
[04:40] <hondje> my home network server runs sshd and samba, and sometimes bind9
[04:41] <bigfoot> I'd like to listen to a real audio file with a URL in the format of pnm://ra.awebsite.net/music.ra. Which player in the Sound and Video Category can play it? i have Xine, Totem, Mplayer, etc
[04:41] <rommer> linux server, atm i have ssh, ftp, web, mysql dbs, samba. im just wondering if there is anything else that could be useful
[04:41] <Seveas> rommer, webserver: apache mailserver: postfix/exim/courier ftpserver: proftpd/pureftpd/vsftpd
[04:41] <jrhodes> hmmmm.
[04:41] <Bramme> bigfoot, realplayer?
[04:41] <bob2> rommer: a caching dns server can be handy
[04:41] <jrhodes> rommer: perhaps nfs as well
[04:41] <hondje> bigfoot: I use totem, then xine
[04:41] <bigfoot> Bramme, yes
[04:41] <hondje> rommer: I'll second that caching dns
[04:42] <hondje> Oh, my network server runs shit like squid too
[04:42] <rommer> bob2 + hondje: what app does that?
[04:42] <jrhodes> bind
[04:42] <Seveas> rommer, bind9
[04:42] <hondje> bind
[04:42] <rommer> ok
[04:42] <hondje> I think djb's dns server can do it too, probably easier to set up
[04:42] <gfxstyler> ok got the cam to work
[04:42] <rommer> lol
[04:42] <Seveas> my providers dns is sucky
[04:42] <gfxstyler> a simple chown kevin /dev/v4l/video0  helped
[04:43] <hondje> Seveas: comcast? :)
[04:43] <Seveas> gfxstyler, until the next reboot that help
[04:43] <jrhodes> anyone know if there's a specific issue with snd_intel8x0 support in ubuntu or if I somehow broke it myself?
[04:43] <Seveas> helps*
[04:43] <hondje> jrhodes: works great for me
[04:43] <bigfoot> hondje, the totem i have is called "totem movie player". Is that the same as the totem you mentioned?
[04:43] <Seveas> gfxstyler, you'd better make sure you are in the video group
[04:43] <hondje> bigfoot: yes
[04:43] <jrhodes> grrr.
[04:43] <hondje> to be exact, I use totem-xine rather than totem-gstreamer
[04:43] <jrhodes> any setup you had to do or hotplug got it right on the first time?
[04:43] <dmouritsendk> hondje, sorry i didnt answer. I was downstairs. I think ubuntu are doing a ok job, they just need to sort out some of the minor bugs
[04:43] <gfxstyler> Seveas: ok
[04:43] <Seveas> gfxstyler, addgroup kevin video will do that trick for you
[04:44] <bob2> dmouritsendk: please do report problems you find
[04:44] <hondje> dmouritsendk: So you don't think they should do something like be a more hardcore lindows or anything?
[04:45] <jrhodes> only significant problems I've seen with ubuntu so far: a) it's an annoying process to replace gnome and b) sometimes the repos are down
[04:45] <hondje> Gnome runs really well on it though
[04:45] <hondje> on Sid it was far more slow/bloated
[04:45] <bob2> the machines in our DC have been down 3 times in a year, that I know of
[04:45] <bigfoot> hondje, accdng to help-->about in Totem, it said that it is using the Xine libraries. So i go to Movie-->Open Location, and put in the URL. But it says "Totem could not play ..... Audio codec '0x0' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies."
[04:45] <bigfoot> what am i doing wrong?
[04:45] <Seveas> jrhodes, removing gnome indeed is an afwul task to do, adding kde/xfce isn't :)
[04:45] <hondje> bigfoot: try opening it with xine
[04:45] <hondje> totem is kinda buggy
[04:45] <AirWays> How I can take screenshot in Kubuntu?
[04:45] <AirWays> What is that command
[04:45] <hondje> AirWays: Can't you press the print screen button?
[04:46] <hondje> import foo.jpg too,maybe
[04:46] <Seveas> AirWays, doesn't the <prt scr> button work?
[04:46] <Seveas> it does in gnome
[04:46] <AirWays> No
[04:46] <dmouritsendk> hondje: not at all, i think they should continue they way theyre going now. I'm really impressed with synaptic
[04:46] <jrhodes> yeah, that's fine. I'm only using ubuntu because it's more up to date debian, essentially, and as an arcane developer I'm required to use E DR17
[04:46] <Seveas> AirWays, then use the gimp :)
[04:46] <bigfoot> hondje, okay so I have Xine 0.99.3 open. where do i input the url?
[04:46] <goldfish_> AirWays: there is a take screenshot button in the Computer menu
[04:46] <Riddell> AirWays: ksnapshot
[04:46] <jrhodes> and so far I haven't figured out how to surgically remove gdm *and* have entrance work properly
[04:46] <AirWays> Just that
[04:46] <hondje> dmouritsendk: I like synaptic, great for cleaning up the hdd, since sometimes it doesn't remove orphaned deps very well (it == apt)
[04:46] <goldfish_> or u can run gnome-panel-screeshot in a terminal
[04:46] <Latis-sleepz> any1 know how to install a soundcard which is builtin on my nforce mobo?
[04:47] <hondje> entrance == hot
[04:47] <Seveas> jrhodes, apt-get remove --purge gdm
[04:47] <jrhodes> or you can run import -window root file.png from terminal
[04:47] <hondje> I can't wait until we have an ebuntu
[04:47] <Seveas> apt-get install xdm|kdm
[04:47] <hondje> he wants entrace
[04:47] <Seveas> ow entrance..
[04:47] <Seveas> hmm
[04:47] <dmouritsendk> hondje: ebuntu?
[04:47] <jrhodes> no, no kdm/xdm.
[04:47] <hondje> I got that working once, so awesome :D
[04:47] <bkw> I've a centrino 1.5Ghz, how comes that /proc/cpuinfo say: model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1500MHz  ;  cpu MHz         : 598.092  ?
[04:47] <hondje> dmouritsendk: for when e17 comes out :)
[04:47] <goldfish_> you need imagemagik to use import no?
[04:47] <dmouritsendk> hondje: aah :)
[04:47] <bob2> bkw: because it scales down when you're not using it, to save power
[04:47] <Seveas> any url?
[04:48] <hondje> Seveas: It's enlightenments version of kdm/gdm/xdm
[04:48] <Seveas> ahh
[04:48] <bob2> bkw: when you do something, it will go up again
[04:48] <bigfoot> Anybody knows where to put the URL in Xine, please?
[04:48] <hondje> It's nice, nothing special buy typical for raster it's lovely
[04:48] <jrhodes> bkw: cpu frequency scaling. it's one of the beautiful things about a pentium M- it saves power when you're not using the whole cpu
[04:48] <hondje> bigfoot: alt-m I think
[04:48] <Seveas> yeah
[04:48] <Seveas> pentium-m is nice
[04:48] <bkw> Oh! so this is done in realtime depending on the load...
[04:48] <bob2> bkw: right
[04:48] <hondje> real time?!
[04:49] <hondje> I'd assume the kernel handles that?
[04:49] <bob2> Seveas: what sort of machine?
[04:49] <bkw> bob2: jrhodes, thanks for you answers.
[04:49] <Dave2|irssi> I think I can do 5 mins on one battery.
[04:49] <bob2> hondje: no, a userspace daemon called powernowd does it
[04:49] <delire> hondje: yes, as opposed to "unreal time".
[04:49] <Seveas> bob2, HP/compaq nc6000
[04:49] <hondje> bob2: that's awesome
[04:49] <jrhodes> I have a P-M 1.7 myself.
[04:49] <bob2> Seveas: ah, nice
[04:49] <Seveas> my laptop has an uptime of 2 weeks
[04:49] <bob2> my x40 is down to only 4 hours/battery
[04:49] <hondje> delire: :)
[04:49] <goldfish_> jrhodes: how do u find ubuntu on it?
[04:49] <jrhodes> what what?
[04:49] <Seveas> and my commute time is 2 1/2 hours max :)
[04:49] <ssam> hello, can some one see if they get any response from this web page. http://teachweb.ph.man.ac.uk/
[04:50] <delire> not using hoary. anyone know whether hoary ships with ifplugd ?
[04:50] <_kevin> E: Couldn't find package winecfg  <--- i followed the instructions on the ubuntuguide to add all the extra repositories and still i get that message
[04:50] <Latis-sleepz> how do I install nforcedrivers under ubuntu?
[04:50] <Latis-sleepz> or does the kernel come with it?
[04:50] <Seveas> delire, it does not ship with it, but it's available from the repositories
[04:50] <bigfoot> hondje, alt-m is for files on my computer, how about for a file that is on the internet?
[04:50] <Seveas> Latis-sleepz, it comes with it
[04:50] <delire> Seveas: right.
[04:50] <hondje> bigfoot: oh, I dunno
[04:50] <hondje> maybe you can't....try mplayer
[04:50] <bkw> I must say that ubuntu 5.04 makes life easier when you want a desktop. I currently run it on my travelmate and _everything_ is working flawless..
[04:50] <Seveas> iirc you need to modrobe the network drivers
[04:50] <jrhodes> these + and - signs are driving me up the wall
[04:50] <Seveas> (for nforce)
[04:51] <Latis-sleepz> Seveas, how do I make it probe+
[04:51] <Seveas> ssam, no response
[04:51] <Latis-sleepz> so my system uses it?
[04:51] <hondje> I wonder how ubuntu knew I had a korean/english keyboard
[04:51] <jrhodes> Latis-sleepz: hotplug *should* handle that for you
[04:51] <ssam> seveas, thank, though it might just be me
[04:51] <Seveas> Latis-sleepz, for the network card: modprobe forcedeth (or better, add it to /etc/modules)
[04:51] <hondje> that's just kinda weird, it didn't ever 'ask'
[04:52] <Latis-sleepz> Seveas, im talking about audio :)
[04:52] <goldfish_> jrhodes: how do u find ubuntu on you 1.7 - M ?
[04:52] <jrhodes> oh, it's nice so far
[04:52] <Seveas> Latis-sleepz, that should work automagically afaik
[04:52] <hondje> my friends laugh at me for using ubuntu
[04:52] <Latis-sleepz> Seveas, ok
[04:52] <delire> hondje: why?
[04:52] <Latis-sleepz> cause my system can just handle one application with sound at a time
[04:52] <jrhodes> why's that, hondje? it's nowhere near as retarded as a redhat-oid ;)
[04:53] <Latis-sleepz> I can use audio in cedega since its getting used by another application
[04:53] <hondje> delire: Well, a lot of us read the unix forum at dslreports.com...
[04:53] <Seveas> Latis-sleepz, that's normal if you have disabled the sound server or use appications that bypass it
[04:53] <delire> hondje: ahah
[04:53] <jrhodes> perhaps they use FC and they're trying to compensate for their own OS's shortcomings
[04:53] <bkw> bob2, jrhodes: cpu MHz         : 1495.230 now :)
[04:53] <hondje> And jdong of backports fame kept hyping it up, and then a couple other people
[04:53] <hondje> so, it was kinda the backlash gentoo had at first, as being trendy...
[04:53] <Latis-sleepz> Seveas, I havnt touched the soundserver :P
[04:53] <hondje> But then jdong started that backports thing...but he's not actually backporting things
[04:53] <Seveas> Latis-sleepz, so your applications are bypassing it :)
[04:53] <delire> hondje: ubuntu is largely a sensible distro. still has a few critical shortcomings
[04:54] <hondje> That gave many the impression that ubuntu == overhyped and silly, which is still kinda true
[04:54] <Latis-sleepz> Seveas, ok :)
[04:54] <hondje> Another friend dislikes how it's not 'debian/ubuntu' instead
[04:54] <hor> Somebody here who can say me where i can get a file named "vnc.so"?
[04:54] <jrhodes> ubuntu as an OMG REVOLUTIONARY OS is a bit silly. but as an upgraded, more graphical debian, it's nicely done
[04:54] <ssam> latis-sleepz, try system -> prefs -> multimedia system selector
[04:54] <Seveas> hor, what do you need it for?
[04:54] <AirWays> How I can bind "print scrn" button to run command "ksnapshot" ?
[04:54] <hondje> jrhodes: exactly! And once I got that message, I switched to it as a long time debian fan
[04:55] <hor> Seveas: VNC Sessions
[04:55] <hondje> but the fans are vocal and many, which drives a lot of people nuts, like the original gentoo ricers did
[04:55] <Seveas> hor, to connect to one or to start listening?
[04:55] <jrhodes> and like the current gentoo ricers still do
[04:55] <delire> hondje: mepis is still better for new users wanting a multimedia capable system out-of-the-box. ubuntu however is closer to the spirit of GNU and so has far more political integrity.
[04:55] <hor> Seveas: for connecting. I know, on other distributions the file existed
[04:55] <jrhodes> I run gentoo on my sparc boxes but I stay the hell away from #gentoo, lol
[04:55] <hondje> plus it has that rip-off reputation to get off, like mandrake used to have
[04:55] <hondje> delire: Yeah, I agree, which is one of the big poitns to me using it
[04:56] <Seveas> hor, just type in a terminal: vncviewer somewhere
[04:56] <hondje> I like Free as in Libre
[04:56] <bkw> strange, totem give 'could not open resource for writing' both for dvd/mpg files
[04:56] <jrhodes> hey, if debian had gotten to this point by itself then ubuntu wouldn't exist
[04:56] <delire> hondje: precis
[04:56] <Seveas> where somewhere is the name/address of the machine you connect to
[04:56] <jrhodes> but the fact of the matter is that debian still ships with 2.4 and Xfree
[04:56] <delire> jrhodes: it is not debian's mission to make a desktop directed OS
[04:56] <hondje> People think ubuntu isn't just a freeze of sid at various times
[04:56] <bigfoot> hondje, i figured out how to play a pnm://ra.anywebsite.com/streamaudio.ra file in Totem. I just changed the prefix pnm to http!
[04:56] <hor> Seveas: hm, yep. But i want to have a VNC session with the start of X. Do you know, what package this file is part of?
[04:57] <Seveas> hor, or use applications -> internet -> terminal server client
[04:57] <hondje> They think it's a distro built on debians back...taht part isnt' explained well by the ubuntu advocates
[04:57] <jrhodes> true! but they should put xorg in the repos for people who use it as such.
[04:57] <hondje> I see it as being no worse than, say, userlinux
[04:57] <delire> darkaudit: mepis is quite brilliant really, albeit very non-free
[04:57] <hondje> yes, xorg == great idea
[04:57] <daniels> jrhodes: xorg should be in experimental, but putting it in sid right now is a terrible idea
[04:57] <hondje> when sarge goes stable in a couple weeks, sid users can have xorg thank in large part to ubuntoo
[04:57] <jrhodes> debian is supposed to be a turn-it-into-anything distro but they hamstrung themselves by leaving their apt repos in the 2 years ago department
[04:57] <bungle> Anyone know how to change resolution on the screen? and the hz? I've tried with the prog in system, but I can only get 1024 and 60hz?
[04:58] <hondje> bungle: try ctrl-alt-+ :)
[04:58] <hondje> or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:58] <daniels> bungle: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, remove the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines
[04:58] <hondje> jrhodes: Well, to be fair, XP is older than woody :)
[04:58] <jrhodes> there's nothing inherently unstable about xorg; it's a fork of xfree with a different name
[04:58] <darkaudit> IIRC GNOME 2.10 wasn't even in experimental when the Array CDs were out
[04:58] <jrhodes> XP with no service packs is older than woody, but they've been patching like rabid monkeys since it was released
[04:58] <delire> jrhodes: not true. they have obligations to stability that ubuntu doesn't, largely the server market. i have run debian since potato as a desktop and miss nothing that other debian DE driven distro's have.
[04:59] <hondje> jrhodes: how big are the patches?
[04:59] <hondje> I thought they were just security fixes / major bug fixes
[04:59] <jrhodes> delire: who runs X on a server?
[04:59] <bungle> hondje, daniels: Error: no write permission for file "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[04:59] <delire> jrhodes: i didn't say that!
[04:59] <hzybzy> sudo...
[04:59] <Seveas> hondje, XP has had 2 servicepacks of about 300MB each
[04:59] <bungle> ha
[04:59] <hondje> bungle sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:59] <bungle> i suck :)
[04:59] <jrhodes> I suggested 2 apt repo updates, not a total overhaul
[04:59] <hondje> Seveas: I see.  I know sp2 had some kinda stack protection in it, big chance
[05:00] <Seveas> hondje, so most of the OS has been replaced ;)
[05:00] <jrhodes> debian's still awesome for many server applications, though their sparc port leaves some things to be desired
[05:00] <hondje> impressive
[05:00] <hondje> woody is crap even for servers, I can't wait for sarge to get out there
[05:00] <AirWays> How I can bind "print scrn" button to run command "ksnapshot" ?
[05:00] <delire> jrhodes: it's still awesome as a desktop, if you want it to be, just not for new users.
[05:00] <jrhodes> such as sparc32plus binaries for ultra systems
[05:00] <darkaudit> and monthly security patches... so if XP had an exploit found 2 days after a patch was posted, it'd be another 28-ish days before it would be fixed
[05:01] <jrhodes> not for new, non-geek users you mean. I taught myself on potato ;)
[05:01] <delire> jrhodes: precis
[05:01] <darkaudit> linux fixes average what, aw week or less? :)
[05:01] <hondje> about that
[05:01] <hondje> security ones can be a bit longer if they're particularly subtle
[05:02] <Seveas> darkaudit, depends on the distro
[05:02] <delire> jrhodes: debian is a set of tools for building a task specific OS. ubuntu is one such symptom of their efforts.
[05:02] <jrhodes> indeed
[05:02] <hondje> userlinux is going to be nice when bruce can get it out
[05:02] <hondje> But the ubuntoo guys need to explain the relationship w/ debian better I think
[05:02] <jrhodes> I merely think they should offer at least a larger range of options for use with those tools.
[05:02] <hondje> they read a few comments on slashdot, a few articles by Ian on OSNews, and voila, bad rep as theifs
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> it's not complicated
[05:03] <delire> hondje: hardly, i think shuttleworth is making the relationship quite clear
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu is in exactly the same position as several other distros
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> there are many distros that are debian based
[05:03] <hondje> yes, but while he does it the 'newbies' dont'
[05:03] <hondje> They go around saying 'ubuntu is from debian' and it doesn't send the correct information
[05:03] <darkaudit> hondje: since a fair number of DD's are also part of the Ubuntu project, they're alledgely stealing from *themselves* :)
[05:03] <Latis-sleepz> ssam, what should I use there?
[05:04] <hondje> I know, I know....
[05:04] <ssam> latis-sleepz, have a play
[05:04] <Latis-sleepz> ssam, it does not matter which one I choose, I cant test it since it fails to test em
[05:04] <hondje> I'm just saying, I get some shit for running ubuntu, and have to explain it
[05:04] <delire> hondje: ubuntu is best thought of a desktop directed debian based OS constructed around 'sensible-defaults'.
[05:04] <Latis-sleepz> but it comes sound through my speakers with all of em
[05:04] <Latis-sleepz> so which one is best?
[05:04] <hondje> I think of ubuntu as a gnome-ified debian sid
[05:04] <jrhodes> I'm also here as a representative of arcane linux, a debian-based distro targeted at multimedia/content creation that will ship with E DR17; channel is #arcane, website is arcanelinux.org and a good half of the devs use ubuntu as our development platforms
[05:05] <hondje> though I'm still annoyed bzflag2 isn't in it :(
[05:05] <ssam> latis-sleepz, alsa is prob best, other two are older
[05:05] <jrhodes> and we still need more coders
[05:05] <hondje> jrhodes: e17 will kill so many minds
[05:05] <hondje> I downloaded and installed it, hoping to find bugs and help fix it to get it out...
[05:05] <jrhodes> E17 is awesome already and it's nowhere near finished
[05:05] <hondje> But the code was so perfect
[05:05] <ssam> the wait for e17 will kill more
[05:05] <hondje> i found no bugs that were obvious....
[05:05] <hondje> though I couldn't get the openGL engine running
[05:05] <jrhodes> yeah, just missing features
[05:06] <delire> jrhodes: E17 seems low on useability and high on gloss.
[05:06] <hondje> and small ones, like not letting the menu go over the edge, etc
[05:06] <jrhodes> dude, it's pre-alpha
[05:06] <delire> jrhodes: i realise
[05:06] <jrhodes> of course it's low on useability
[05:06] <hondje> jrhodes: is raster going to bring back the drag bar?
[05:06] <delire> jrhodes: what are their long-term trajectories with e17 as a viable productivity driven DE?
[05:06] <hondje> the greatest UI improvement that never got picked up?
[05:06] <jrhodes> I don't know. he's cryptic about a lot of things
[05:06] <delire> hmm
[05:07] <hondje> I don't think e17 is supposed to be productivity driven
[05:07] <hondje> I think it's supposed to be intuitive
[05:07] <hondje> all that apple wants to be...imagine if they captured his genius mind :)
[05:07] <jrhodes> heh
[05:08] <hondje> look at the wobbly windows videos, with the real-time images in the pager...even that's raster-esque :)
[05:08] <delire> hondje: KDE is intuitive, albeit from a windows user's perspective. i see this as i introduce my students to linux, many of which migrate in part or in whole as a result.
[05:08] <jrhodes> indeed
[05:08] <hondje> The drag bar, though, in e16 was the greatest usability invention in years
[05:08] <hondje> delire: I find KDE a bit too confusing...
[05:08] <jrhodes> I find KDE to be visually overwhelming
[05:08] <delire> hondje: i however find wmi.modprobe.de to be the most intuitive wm i've ever used.
[05:08] <hondje> too many options, too customizable, but I am far away from windows, I can't use their UI it's so clunky
[05:08] <hondje> KDE is beautiful
[05:09] <delire> hondje: jrhodes: i do too. my students don't however.
[05:09] <kisain> i got an error  /dev/md0: no sutch file or dir
[05:09] <hondje> Gnome has real thought in the UI though
[05:09] <kisain> anyone know this?
[05:09] <Seveas> kde is krap imho
[05:09] <hondje> definately the one for recovering OS X users
[05:09] <hondje> I wouldn't say it's krap, I used it from pre-2 through 3.3.something
[05:09] <jrhodes> kisain: trying to use lvm?
[05:09] <delire> Seveas: most geeks would agree. my students (even OSX users) love it.
[05:09] <hondje> The code is clean, well written and bugs are quickly smashed...
[05:09] <delire> true
[05:09] <hondje> KDE has lovely code, just kinda poor organization I think
[05:10] <kisain> kinda trying to setup a fresh install of ubntu with raid 1
[05:10] <rama> what are the best webpage editiors in the repositories?
[05:10] <kisain> i think i failed lol
[05:10] <hondje> rama: bluefish is nice
[05:10] <Sionide> woot
[05:10] <jrhodes> yeah, sounds like it. start over.
[05:10] <Sionide> whats everyones high scores on gnometris? :)
[05:10] <hondje> 3.4 looked great, but kubuntu was amazingly buggly
[05:10] <kisain> ok how would you sugest?
[05:10] <kisain> i need to use a 40 gig and a 30 gig
[05:10] <goldfish_> Sionide: i know someone who got 700,000
[05:10] <kisain> to do raid 1
[05:10] <Sionide> what the....
[05:10] <goldfish_> Sionide: I know :/
[05:10] <goldfish_> They are sick.
[05:10] <Sionide> impossible!
[05:11] <bungle> don't remember who helped me BUT, i changed the stuff you told me when I wanted to change my resolution, but now it's locked on 640 and 60hz...
[05:11] <delire> one has too agree gnome would go alot further with tighter integration and a better default font set. many first impressions of gnome by new users are that it "looks old". gladly shuttleworth offers a bounty for a new default icon set.
[05:11] <goldfish_> Sionide: hold on a second......
[05:11] <Hoxzer> what is good software for programing C++ in Ubuntu?
[05:11] <Sionide> i just 59,270 which is my highest ever... >:\ lol
[05:11] <delire> Hoxzer: emacs
[05:11] <hondje> I didn't like gnome last I tried it at like 2.6 or something...
[05:11] <Marble2> is there any good wallpaper rotaters our there?
[05:11] <bungle> don't remember who helped me BUT, i changed the stuff you told me when I wanted to change my resolution, but now it's locked on 640 and 60hz...
[05:11] <hondje> So when I dropped KDE I went to xfce...
[05:11] <Hoxzer> Ok
[05:11] <jrhodes> Hoxzer: jed is good if you're used to RHIDE or Borland's IDE
[05:11] <Sionide> yeah the ubuntu-calender thing does a new ubuntu wallpaper every month
[05:11] <Seveas> vim!
[05:11] <hondje> But it's either 2.10 or ubuntu, it runs so much better than 2.8 in Sid
[05:12] <delire> Seveas: that would be my choice ;) most VC6/7 users wouldn't agree though ;)
[05:12] <hondje> Hoxzer: kdevelop if you like a visual-studio style IDE
[05:12] <goldfish_> Sionide: here is the other tetris they play.... look at the high scores :)
[05:12] <goldfish_> Sionide: http://games.redbrick.dcu.ie/tetris.php
[05:12] <hondje> I use qt developer, it's so awesome
[05:12] <jrhodes> I am inexplicably reminded that I need to set up this SS20 under my desk
[05:12] <bungle> please, anyone help me fix the resolution :((.. sry for whining..
[05:12] <jrhodes> moderately AFK for a few
[05:12] <delire> hondje: agreed! very impressed
[05:12] <hondje> power of C++ meets the cuteness of glade/vb
[05:12] <cam_> why is it when i try run rhythmbox that it gives me an error "Failed to create the player: Couldnt initialize schedular. Did you run gst-register?"
[05:12] <hondje> bungle: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:13] <bungle> hondje, i removed the vert blabla and then what?
[05:13] <hondje> bungle: Then you add the resolution you want, probably to the 24 bit color depth section
[05:13] <hondje> you removed it? why?
[05:14] <hondje> jrhodes: http://www.rasterman.com/files/blend.tar.gz
[05:14] <Seveas> hondje, because daniels told him to
[05:14] <jrhodes> and that is?
[05:14] <hondje> oh, I wouldn't have, but that's because I"m uptight
[05:14] <hondje> jrhodes: some code raster wrote for the xorg guys, for compositing and other eye candies
[05:15] <hondje> I saw it once on osnews, but I don't get X at all, can't tell what it does...since you code, perhaps you can offer a tiny look at it?
[05:15] <jrhodes> me? code? lol. I'm a hardware hacker
[05:15] <jrhodes> I do bash and that's about it
[05:15] <hondje> oh, I thought you said you did the code thing :)
[05:15] <jrhodes> bash and builds
[05:15] <bungle> hondje, where should i type the resolution i want?
[05:15] <hondje> I do fortran and matlab :)
[05:15] <cam_> why is it when i try run rhythmbox that it gives me an error "Failed to create the player: Couldnt initialize schedular. Did you run gst-register?"
[05:16] <delire> i work as a graphics programmer. i look forward to toying with xorg.
[05:16] <hondje> bungle: near the bottom, where all the other resolutions are
[05:16] <cam_> this is after ive installed more gstreamer plugins
[05:16] <cam_> actually ive installed all gstreamer plugins
[05:16] <hondje> cam_: Did you try running gst-register for the plugins?
[05:16] <Seveas> cam_, have you run gst-register?
[05:16] <hondje> just run that as root in a terminal
[05:16] <cam_> gst-register doesnt exist
[05:16] <bungle> but after i removed the lines the ctrl+alt+-/+ doesn't work
[05:16] <cam_> cam@ubbie-ubuntu:~$ whereis gst-register
[05:16] <cam_> gst-register:
[05:17] <hondje> which gst-register
[05:17] <oris_wolfbane> does anyone know of any good visual cvs software?
[05:17] <cam_> returns nothing
[05:17] <hondje> delire: that'd be nice
[05:17] <hondje> I like composite transparency
[05:17] <soujiro> i am trying to install linuxdcpp and this warning keeps coming up when i do sudo scons :  warning: this is the location of the previous definition , can anyone help me pls ?
[05:17] <hondje> now I can watch the terminal AND get work done
[05:17] <hondje> bungle: did you get my msg?
[05:17] <hondje> ok
[05:17] <krg> Heh.
[05:18] <delire> hondje: what are the minimum card specs for composite? how expensive is it on the GPU?
[05:18] <hondje> I dunno the minimum
[05:18] <krg> I find translucency to be more distracting than productive.
[05:18] <hondje> I have a PCI nvidia Fx 5200 w/ 256 mb of ram
[05:18] <cam_> anyone know what provides gst-register?
[05:18] <hondje> for matlab openGL, but that isn't working....but anyway, it ran just fine with that
[05:18] <delire> cam_: isn't it gstreamer?
[05:18] <hondje> But in kubuntu, while prettier it crashed a LOT more
[05:18] <krg> PCI-E?  :P
[05:18] <bungle> hondje, yes, i've answered
[05:18] <cam_> nope, ive got gstreamer installed
[05:18] <delire> hondje: hmm
[05:19] <hondje> overall, the loss of stability wasn't worth it
[05:19] <cam_> but no gst-register
[05:19] <oris_wolfbane> does anyone know of any good visual cvs software?
[05:19] <apollo2011> I am trying to get the dial up working on my laptop, which I installed kubuntu on last night.  I tried using /dev/modem, but it can't connect to the modem.  I don't know what else I can try for the modem, being it is an internal PCI modem...
[05:19] <hondje> in gnome, the effects were kick ass, but they'd die if xscreensaver came on, or other 'stuff'
[05:19] <ssam> delire, you need a pretty good card for composite
[05:19] <delire> cam_: apt-cache search gst-register
[05:19] <hondje> so I'll wait until the xorg guys get further along
[05:19] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, eclips + svn plugin + svn repository instead of cvs
[05:19] <delire> ssam: i'd imagine so.
[05:19] <hondje> My friend said it worked fine on a mx 400 nvidia card, w/ 64 mb of ram...
[05:19] <cam_> libgstreamer
[05:19] <cam_> wtf
[05:19] <ssam> delire, but with the next version of xorg an intergrated intel should work :-)
[05:20] <hondje> I'd hope so, the mac mini has less than that for video and it has gldesktop and stuff
[05:20] <delire> ssam: ahah
[05:20] <cam_> but thats installed
[05:20] <hondje> ssam: what,  not using i810?
[05:20] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to change the gdm gtk theme?
[05:20] <delire> hondje: at a huge hit to the system albeit!
[05:20] <hondje> oh, I never noticed it sucked
[05:20] <bur[n] er> in the "theme" menu of the classic view, i only have Human as a choice
[05:20] <goldfish_> hondje: What is that blend.tar.gz?
[05:20] <Seveas> bur[n] er, system->administration->login screen setup
[05:20] <hondje> whenever I used i810, the fact it worked seemed to make me happy
[05:20] <cam_> omg
[05:20] <blaroe> hi all - quick question on apt-get
[05:20] <cam_> the command is called
[05:20] <oris_wolfbane> seveas, ive got no choice, its for a sf.net project
[05:20] <bungle> hondje, the problem is i can't change the resolution from 640 to anything, after i removed those lines daniels told me to.
[05:21] <cam_> gst-register-0.8
[05:21] <bur[n] er> Seveas: oh yeah?  where in there?
[05:21] <cam_> that is so crap
[05:21] <ssam> see http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/XEyeCandy  i855
[05:21] <hondje> goldfish_: a file raster linked to during a discussion on osnews about gl and compositing for xorg
[05:21] <blaroe> I get a message the package are held back
[05:21] <blaroe> liek this:The following packages have been kept back:
[05:21] <blaroe>   gstreamer0.8-lame libxvidcore4 mplayer-386
[05:21] <goldfish_> hondje: oh right, cool.
[05:21] <hondje> bungle: Oh, then you want them back
[05:21] <Seveas> bur[n] er, graphical greeter tab
[05:21] <hondje> If you don't remember what they were, I can paste you the format in a query, but you'll have to google your monitor to find the ranges
[05:21] <blaroe> has I done something wrong during an install
[05:21] <bur[n] er> Seveas: not what I mean... i want to change the color scheme basically.... i'm sick of brown ;)
[05:21] <delire> blaroe: this after an upgrade?
[05:21] <bur[n] er> Seveas: and I use the standard greeter anyway
[05:21] <blaroe> delire: yes
[05:22] <hondje> I like the human look, but the icons suck
[05:22] <apollo2011> Can someone plz help me
[05:22] <Seveas> bur[n] er, then edit the theme :)
[05:22] <delire> blaroe: 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' (again)
[05:22] <ke-vin> hi guys, i need a css editor with code completion, any suggestions?
[05:22] <thingfish> there is a Human icon set, it's nice.
[05:22] <bur[n] er> Seveas: i can't!  there's no place to edit it!
[05:22] <bungle> hondje, sounds ok
[05:22] <hondje> goldfish_: I was hoping a xorg-savvy coder would explain wtf it was :)
[05:22] <thingfish> why it's not the default, I don't know.
[05:22] <hondje> raster codes so well, I just can't follow
[05:22] <blaroe> delire: I have tried that
[05:22] <Seveas> bur[n] er, no edit the files that make up the theme
[05:22] <Seveas> in a text editor
[05:22] <goldfish_> hondje: hehe :)
[05:22] <goldfish_> hondje: That would be nice :)
[05:22] <jrhodes> superior japanese coder
[05:23] <hondje> He's a top notch cat...true visionary, great coder, artist, and oss advocate
[05:23] <hondje> If he were more vocal, he'd push rms and esr to the sides....
[05:23] <delire> blaroe: do it again. there may have needed to be a dependency satisfied first. manually install the above packages.
[05:23] <bur[n] er> Seveas: oh... that's not fun.  Shouldn't other themes show up in the drop down in gdm somehow?  When I set standard greeter... i see "theme" as a menu item, but only Human is in that list... how could I get something like "Clearlooks" there?
[05:23] <bur[n] er> I like the human theme sometimes... so I dn't wanna mess with that
[05:23] <flodine> a guys i loaded fluxbox but now i cant get in synaptic from flux why
[05:24] <bungle> hondje, can you paste it?
[05:24] <delire> hondje: who is this cchap?
[05:24] <blaroe> delire: so remove them and reinstall
[05:24] <hondje> flodine: Can you open a terminal?
[05:24] <Seveas> bur[n] er, then install other themes from gnome-look or art.gnome.org
[05:24] <hondje> bungle: the format? Sure, I'll query you
[05:24] <flodine> yeah
[05:24] <delire> blaroe: no just 'apt-get install <pkg1> <pkg2> <pkg3>'
[05:24] <bungle> nice.
[05:24] <blaroe> delire: Thanks will do
[05:24] <delire> blaroe: anytime
[05:24] <ssam> flordine, sudo synaptic
[05:25] <hondje> I like synaptic for cleaning up crud left behind after you remove something
[05:25] <ssam> flordine, or gksudo synaptic
[05:25] <hondje> Or search for something in a general type of app...
[05:25] <bur[n] er> Seveas: i have!!!  they work in gnome, but i only have the option of human with gdm
[05:25] <bur[n] er> Seveas: maybe this is a bug?
[05:25] <flodine> ok i also cant open muine from flux side  why
[05:25] <delire> hondje: it does more than 'dpkg -P <packagename>'?
[05:25] <bur[n] er> flodine: run "esd" ?
[05:25] <hondje> I like human, but I replaced the background with some otters I shot :)
[05:25] <Seveas> bur[n] er, gnome themes are different than gdm themes...
[05:26] <flodine> what is esd
[05:26] <bur[n] er> Seveas: i need to get a gdm 'standard' theme?
[05:26] <ssam> hondji, you shoot otters, how cruel
[05:26] <delire> flodine: the "not so enlightened sound daemon"
[05:26] <bur[n] er> i thought when gdm was in standard greeter... it would use standard gtk themes
[05:26] <hondje> delire: -P == purge?
[05:26] <delire> hondje: yep
[05:26] <blaroe> delire: here is the error message frmo apt
[05:26] <bungle> hondje,  what should i google on?
[05:26] <blaroe> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:26] <blaroe>   gstreamer0.8-lame: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[05:26] <blaroe>   libxvidcore4: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[05:26] <blaroe>   mplayer-386: Depends: libavcodeccvs (>= 2:20050417-0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[05:26] <blaroe>                Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[05:26] <blaroe>                Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[05:26] <blaroe>                Depends: libpostproc0 (>= 2:20050417-0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[05:26] <blaroe>                Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[05:26] <blaroe>                Depends: xmms (>= 1.2.10+cvs20050209) but 1.2.10-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[05:26] <hondje> delire: it doesn't get rid of unneeded rdeps, afaik
[05:26] <Quest-Master> blaroe, #flood
[05:26] <bur[n] er> awww flood!
[05:26] <Seveas> blaroe, DO NOT DO THAT
[05:26] <we2by> does Ubuntu support SATA II hd's?
[05:26] <blaroe> sorry
[05:27] <bungle> hondje,  what should i google on?
[05:27] <Seveas> and stop using marillat
[05:27] <delire> hondje: ahah, so synaptic does this. sounds like a --clean
[05:27] <Seveas> because this is caused by marillat
[05:27] <jrhodes> that was a pretty weenie flood tbh
[05:27] <hondje> bungle: I would google the monitor name, like mine is hp v72, and 'specifications'
[05:27] <hondje> delire: well, I don't use synaptic for it
[05:27] <delire> hondje: ahah
[05:27] <hondje> I use synaptic for housecleaning, for things that missed, every few months
[05:27] <bur[n] er> eh, screw it, i gotta go... i'll make a bug report later :)  thanks anyway Seveas
[05:27] <hondje> the ones that sneak past and have no reason being installed
[05:27] <hondje> Sensebend: Damn, how's it? :)
[05:28] <Sensebend> hey hondje
[05:28] <delire> hondje: have you looked at deborphan?
[05:28] <Sensebend> what on earth are you doing in here ? :)
[05:28] <hondje> I joined the ubuntu side, Sensebend
[05:28] <Sensebend> SERIOUSLY?
[05:28] <hondje> !google deborphan
[05:28] <hondje> Sensebend: yes, so I can't dog you anymore :(
[05:28] <Seveas> hondje, deborphan/debfoster may help there
[05:28] <Sensebend> that's awesome
[05:28] <hondje> Seveas: Thanks, I'll look into that
[05:28] <Sensebend> what made you switch?
[05:29] <hondje> Sarge being delayed ANOTHER month, while sid stayed dated in the waiting
[05:29] <jrhodes> woo my bandwidth is back
[05:29] <jrhodes> or wait
[05:29] <jrhodes> no, darn
[05:29] <nirk> please help me, anyone: I can't access the network in a recently fresh-installed hoary. the problem first appeared when I upgraded from warty. neither static nor dhcp works, neither bridging nor nat on router. it works fine in windows and did in warty. thanks
[05:29] <jrhodes> still inordinately slow
[05:29] <hondje> I said 'screw it', and gave it a shot, and tested novell too
[05:29] <Seveas> hondje, i always run deborphan -a grep -- -dev every few weeks until no more -dev things are installed that i don't need :)
[05:29] <hondje> Now I'm a buntoobian like Sensebend
[05:29] <hondje> for a good two months or so, whenever hoary came out
[05:29] <hondje> Seveas: that's a good idea
[05:29] <Sensebend> you've joined the darkside :P
[05:29] <Sensebend> or maybe I've just been watching too much Star Wars
[05:29] <hondje> I often download dev stuff to compile one thing, then remove them and forget a lib or two
[05:30] <hondje> better than your anime, Sensebend
[05:30] <Varanger> daniels: are you here?
[05:30] <nirk> and: how do you download all of hoary so all the packages resides on your harddisk?
[05:30] <soujiro> does ubuntu have gcc-config like gentoo ?
[05:30] <Sensebend> this is sorta OT, take it to ATU?
[05:30] <we2by> does Ubuntu support SATA II hd's?
[05:30] <hondje> gcc-config? What's that soujiro
[05:30] <jrhodes> we2by, if the linux kernel supports it then technically yes
[05:31] <jrhodes> the problem with windows converts is they don't understand the whole drivers thing
[05:31] <apollo2011> My main problem now is getting an internet connection, at home I have dsl but right now I need a dialup connection and I can't get my modem to work.  How can I figure out the /dev name if it is internal and isn't /dev/mdoem.  I tried that and it didn't work, couldn't connect to modem  The Ubuntu how to doesn't tell you exactly how to do it if its internal and isn't /dev/modem
[05:31] <blaroe> Seveas: by marillat, you mean in sources.list?
[05:31] <hondje> so, what's this terminal server client thing?
[05:31] <soujiro> somebody told me that i need that to compile linuxdcpp
[05:31] <garo> hondje: Your nick is dutch, but i get a american provider if I /whois you ?
[05:31] <Seveas> blaroe, yes, or any other non-ubuntu repositories
[05:31] <hondje> Its eems to be a windows thing, but I have no way to play with it
[05:31] <Sensebend> hondje, it's like a GUI for a bunch of remote access tools
[05:31] <soujiro> its for g++ i think
[05:31] <bungle> hondje,  thank you, now it's ok
[05:31] <Sensebend> such as vnc
[05:31] <jrhodes> it's so insanely simple compared to the windows driver issue that it's completely alien concept to many windows users
[05:31] <hondje> garo: I'm an american with many dutch friends, who took my name and mutated it into a dutch one :)
[05:32] <hondje> bungle: glad to help
[05:32] <blaroe> Seveas: thanks
[05:32] <hondje> bungle: if you feel like it, you can switch between them now w/ ctrl-alt-=
[05:32] <Seveas> hondje, judging by your name i would say you are dutch :)
[05:32] <hondje> Just use the + on the numpad, works better for me
[05:32] <Seveas> but your IP tells otherwise
[05:32] <hondje> Seveas: nope, 100% american troll :)
[05:32] <apollo2011> Does anyone know how to use a modem in Kubuntu?
[05:32] <garo> hondje: you do know that i means "dog" i hope ? :)
[05:32] <jrhodes> so you get questions like "does *insertdistrohere* have drivers for *inserthardwarehere*?" because they don't grasp that it's a linux kernel thing that's almost completely independent of the distribution
[05:33] <Sensebend> hondje is a troll, you'll do well to ignore him ;)
[05:33] <hondje> I chat a lot at telnet://talker.rekka.net:4242, which is in amsterdam...
[05:33] <goldfish_> apollo2011: try #kubuntu maybe ?
[05:33] <hondje> the mutated my name smitedogg to dogg, then hondje :)
[05:33] <hondje> garo: So now I'm hondje, and even tried to get hondje.nl for my site :)  I ended up with .net though
[05:33] <Seveas> yeah, .nl is only available for dutch people/companies
[05:34] <hondje> well, my webserver is in amsterdam, so we could have snuck it, but somoene else had it
[05:34] <anto9us> Seveas: I think european domains are available to all europeans
[05:34] <Seveas> anto9us, not for .nl
[05:34] <goldfish_> nope
[05:34] <hondje> I wanted .nl so that the US .gov couldn't mess to much with my site
[05:35] <anto9us> well, that's just mean
[05:35] <goldfish_> u would need to own a company called hondje in holland to buy hondje.nl
[05:35] <hondje> and since I have so many friends there in .nl, it would have been easy
[05:35] <Seveas> goldfish_, not really
[05:35] <hondje> goldfish_: Or have a friend in .nl buy it for me, and let me play with it :)
[05:35] <Seveas> persons can get domain names now to
[05:35] <goldfish_> Well in ireland you need to.
[05:35] <hondje> Guys are nice enough to give me webspace in .nl, too
[05:36] <goldfish_> You can't buy a .ie site unless you prove you own a company with teh name of the site u want
[05:36] <tiggggr> not all european domains are available to normal persons, for example .fi domains require a company
[05:36] <hondje> Oh
[05:36] <goldfish_> I presumed it was the same for other countries in europe
[05:36] <hondje> .nl just requires a dutch address
[05:36] <Petani> try it
[05:36] <goldfish_> oh right
[05:36] <goldfish_> cool
[05:36] <Petani> http://www.myserv.us
[05:36] <hondje> abuse.nl is another one we have, she's selling it though :(
[05:36] <Seveas> goldfish_, since jan. 1st 2004 persons can get a .nl domain
[05:36] <Petani> http://www.fatimahchik.com
[05:36] <goldfish_> Seveas: Cool.
[05:36] <Seveas> .be can be grabbed by anyone
[05:37] <goldfish_> Wish they did that over here.
[05:37] <hondje> I want tobeornotto.be
[05:37] <Seveas> Petani, stop spamming
[05:37] <djp> hi. can anyone tell me if when you run a .deb package, whether a log is created anywhere?
[05:37] <Seveas> djp, no
[05:37] <hondje> which always bugged me....
[05:37] <nirk> please help me, anyone: I can't access the network in a recently fresh-installed hoary. the problem first appeared when I upgraded from warty. neither static nor dhcp works, neither bridging nor nat on router. it works fine in windows and did in warty. thanks
[05:37] <goldfish_> hehe
[05:37] <nirk> and: how do you download all of hoary so all the packages resides on your harddisk?
[05:38] <djp> infact, if you have never run a .deb package before and then choose to do so, what files are created, apart from the .deb files?
[05:38] <Seveas> nirk, you do not want that :)
[05:38] <HrdwrBoB> hondje: it is however easy to search installed packages by date, I'm fairly sure it's stored
[05:38] <nirk> Seveas: no?
[05:38] <hondje> nirk: wget on the us.archive.ubuntu.com perhaps
[05:38] <djp> Seveas: thanks. no other files apart from those contained in the .deb file are installed on running a .deb file?
[05:38] <Seveas> nirk, it's about 70 GB iirc
[05:38] <HrdwrBoB> djp: all the system software is installed from '.deb' packages,
[05:38] <hondje> HrdwrBoB: I didn't notice the date thing
[05:38] <Seveas> djp, correct
[05:38] <hondje> is it in the meta info, or just in the ls -l part?
[05:38] <nirk> hmm
[05:38] <Seveas> djp, dpkg -L will list these giles
[05:38] <Seveas> files*
[05:39] <HrdwrBoB> it's in the currently installed meta info for the package
[05:39] <Jormundgand> Will Ubuntu be getting a graphical installer at any point?
[05:39] <djp> HrdwrBoB: thanks
[05:39] <HrdwrBoB> Jormundgand: yes
[05:39] <Seveas> Jormundgand, it's a breezy goal
[05:39] <Jormundgand> Ah.
[05:39] <djp> Seveas: thanks
[05:39] <Sensebend> will it have the option for text based install?
[05:39] <goldfish_> It's basically graphical with hoary :)
[05:39] <hondje> I used to like them, but now I prefer not using overhead when I'm trying to install stuff
[05:39] <Seveas> Sensebend, yes
[05:39] <Sensebend> well I'm satisfied :)
[05:39] <hondje> yeah, btw awesome work on making the sarge beta installer nicer
[05:39] <delire> djp: dpkg knows the status of any package installed. 'dpkg -l | grep <packagename>'
[05:40] <delire> djp: apt is just a frontend to dpkg
[05:40] <delire> ok.. and a bit more ;)
[05:40] <ssam> the ubuntu text install is smiple enough, though mouse support would be nice
[05:40] <Sensebend> you know what else would be cool :)
[05:40] <Seveas> delire, dpkg -l can handle wildcards too
[05:40] <hondje> delire: that's a neat trick, thanks
[05:40] <delire> Seveas: yes it can
[05:40] <Sensebend> having an option to netinst the distro, like debian has
[05:40] <hondje> I like the keyboard setup in the installer
[05:40] <Seveas> delire, so no need for grep :)
[05:40] <sylvan> how do you supply custom gcc options to be used for all installs? (like "-march=pentium4")? I remember there was a make.conf or something like that in FreeBSD but I can't find it in linux
[05:40] <delire> see dpkg -S also
[05:40] <Marble2> is there any good wallpaper rotaters our there?
[05:40] <Sensebend> would be great for those who are doing custom installs
[05:40] <Seveas> Sensebend, there is such an option
[05:40] <djp> delire: ok, thanks. where does it store the info?
[05:40] <Sensebend> oh :)
[05:40] <hondje> But I'd like the option to mess w/ xorg.conf before booting back up...the installer always has me set up for the wrong video
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> sylvan: you don't need to do that and there's no where to do it
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> sylvan: packages are already built for you
[05:41] <Sensebend> it exists?
[05:41] <hondje> you could do it in your home for when you build stuff
[05:41] <Seveas> sylvan, ubuntu is a binary distro
[05:41] <Sensebend> where does one find the infomation on that?
[05:41] <Seveas> Sensebend, search the wiki for netboot install :)
[05:41] <sylvan> well, I _want_ to build for example firefox with some optimization options
[05:41] <delire> Seveas: grep is a good habit regardless ;)
[05:41] <Seveas> delire, true
[05:41] <hondje> I'd like to rebuild firefox myself
[05:41] <hondje> It seems so very very slow in ubuntu
[05:42] <goldfish_> it does
[05:42] <delire> hondje: strange.
[05:42] <hondje> All I have are the bugmenot and adblock extensions, and it spins and doesn't show the whole screen regularly
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> sylvan: then you can download the source with apt-get source mozilla-firefox
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> and build it
[05:42] <hondje> I like the mozilla mplayer plugin, that's awesome
[05:43] <hondje> much better than fucking with plugger for hours X-(
[05:43] <delire> i wonder if the experience of firefox being slow is relatively true to all ubuntu users?
[05:43] <hondje> I always assumed it was just me
[05:43] <Sensebend> firefox being slow?
[05:43] <Sensebend> I haven't noticed
[05:43] <hondje> I monitored it, and when it's loading pages the gui parts just die until it's done...
[05:43] <LinuxJones> delire, you have to disable ipv6 in FF
[05:43] <hondje> or worse, when it has to load up java
[05:43] <ssam> have you try the fire speed up hacks
[05:43] <soujiro> one question , how can i uninstall gcc 3.3 ?
[05:44] <Seveas> java is slow
[05:44] <hondje> I did the speed up ones in the ubuntu handbook
[05:44] <hondje> soujiro: apt-get remove --purge gcc
[05:44] <Seveas> soujiro, apt-get remove gcc-3.3
[05:44] <ssam> disabling ipv6, pipelining etc
[05:44] <delire> LinuxJones: i don't use Ubuntu, ff is fine here on debian testing/unstable
[05:44] <hondje> er, sudo apt-get remove --purge gcc
[05:45] <hondje> delire: I find it runs great in debian sarge and sid, but in ubuntu it stalls
[05:45] <LinuxJones> delire, sorry I just poped in and seen your comment :)
[05:45] <delire> hondje: odd
[05:45] <delire> LinuxJones: happens easily ;)
[05:45] <hondje> delire: So you have the slowdowns too? It really hates loading java
[05:46] <difeta> hey all! I've instlled wv so i beagle can read word documents, but there is not a development library, any ideas?
[05:46] <delire> hondje: no it's fast here. also on the 30 odd mepis workstations at work.
[05:46] <goldfish> lol
[05:46] <hondje> hrm, I wonder why it does that to me
[05:46] <delire> hondje: i use debian testing/unstable btw
[05:46] <hondje> It's not so terrible i can't stand it, but it sucks when I'm trying to get my pron-browse on and I have 20 tabs open
[05:46] <goldfish> hondje: i get the slowdowns
[05:46] <LinuxJones> hondje, is it generally slow or long dns lookups ?
[05:46] <delire> hondje: so perhaps ask other ubuntu users
[05:47] <hondje> LinuxJones: I haven't noticed it being tied into DNS, but I haven't looked much
[05:47] <goldfish> i have disabled ipv6 but i still find it slow
[05:47] <Seveas> LinuxJones, for me it's only VERY long dns lookups
[05:47] <hondje> it seems to be more tied into loading the documents before doing anything else
[05:47] <hondje> like a large html page, or a good slashdot discussion
[05:47] <Seveas> hmm, that's a contradictio interminis
[05:47] <Seveas> "slashdot discussion"
[05:48] <hondje> Hey, two or three have existed
[05:48] <soujiro> but i want to remove gcc 3.3 completely because i need to compile a program with gcc 3.4 , and if i remove gcc -3.3 base ,synaptic says that i must uninstall aa lot of programs :( , what should i do ?
[05:48] <hondje> in the science section, that don't go main page ;-)
[05:48] <sylvan> HrdwrBoB: well how do i specify compiler options in that case?
[05:48] <goldfish> soujiro: from a terminal
[05:48] <hondje> soujiro: I don't think there is a gcc 3.4 package, is there?
[05:48] <Seveas> LinuxJones, what's the dns related problem with FF?
[05:48] <hondje> If there isn't, you can compile it yourself and keep it in a seperate tool-chain thing
[05:48] <soujiro> there is
[05:48] <soujiro> because i have installed it
[05:49] <soujiro> but when i do gcc -v it keeps saying that i havfe gcc 3.3.5
[05:49] <LinuxJones> Seveas, hondje ok in FF hit ctrl+t to open a new tab. Then type about:config, in the filter section type in ipv in the network.dns.disableIPV6 set the value to true and restart FF.
[05:49] <soujiro> have*
[05:49] <HrdwrBoB> sylvan: I'm not sure tbh, you'll have to look up the doco on how to build debian packages
[05:49] <Seveas> LinuxJones, tyvm!
[05:49] <hondje> LinuxJones: It's already true
[05:50] <hondje> I think I did that from the ubuntu handbook
[05:50] <goldfish> soujiro: from a terminal run , sudo apt-get remove gcc --purge
[05:50] <soujiro> i did that
[05:50] <LinuxJones> hondje, ok have a peek here >> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1299854/posts
[05:50] <sylvan> well, synaptic seems to support source repositories so it must be possible to specify that it should build from source first, and install binary packages as a last resort?
[05:50] <goldfish> soujiro: no errors?
[05:50] <hondje> sending me to the mercy of the freepers? :)
[05:51] <soujiro> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:52] <kengur> anyone using dual core processor system?
[05:52] <jrhodes> not yet ;)
[05:52] <soujiro> goldfish, i have already uninstalled gcc 3.3 , but the thing is , that i install gcc 3.4 and the system keeps showing that i have gcc 3.3.5
[05:52] <goldfish> oh
[05:52] <soujiro> because it doesnt remove gcc -base
[05:52] <kane> wtf is this unable to lookup geneous via gethostbyname()
[05:52] <knase> I have just installed cedega and steam. The game is working, but i got a very bad fps. what is wrong?
[05:52] <goldfish> hmmmmm
[05:53] <Seveas> kane, depends on what you are doing...
[05:53] <kane> well when i try to sudo anything
[05:53] <Seveas> knase, if you have an nvidia/ati card: install the binary drivers...
[05:53] <hondje> LinuxJones: I tried that last thing, I haven't done that, so I'll report back if it works :)
[05:53] <Seveas> kane, i've seen that before
[05:53] <sylvan> how can I apt-get a specific version of firefox (not 1.0.2 but rather 1.0.4)?
[05:53] <LinuxJones> hondje, ok GL ;)
[05:54] <Seveas> kane, can you put the content of /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[05:54] <Dave2|irssi> The Ubuntu 1.0.2 has security fixes backported
[05:54] <knase> seveas, I think i allready have done that
[05:54] <Seveas> sylvan, FF in ubuntu is 1.0.4 in disguise
[05:54] <kane> Password:postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory
[05:56] <sylvan> Seveas: Say what?
[05:56] <Seveas> sylvan, FF in ubuntu has all 1.0.4 security patches applied
[05:56] <Seveas> making it equivalent to 1.0.4
[05:56] <sylvan> so why not just use 1.0.4?
[05:57] <Seveas> sylvan, because hoary is frozen
[05:57] <Seveas> no new features will be added
[05:57] <topyli> sylvan: because hoary is a stable release
[05:57] <Seveas> only security fixes
[05:57] <sylvan> but I can build 1.0.4 and install it myself without any problems then?
[05:57] <Seveas> sylvan, why would you want that?
[05:57] <hondje> who do I suck up to so I can have bzflag2 in the next ubuntu?
[05:58] <hondje> Or should I just offer to maintain it myself
[05:58] <Seveas> the last would be the easiest hondje
[05:58] <sylvan> Because it's a newer version, and if I build it myself the app I use 99% of my time can be built with some optimization flags
[05:58] <topyli> hondje: advertise your awesome maintainer skills on #ubuntu-motu :)
[05:58] <hondje> hehe
[05:58] <Seveas> check wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates and #ubuntu-motu
[05:58] <Seveas> sylvan, if you install it into /usr/local it'll be fine
[05:59] <sylvan> hondje: bzflag TWO? There's a new one?
[05:59] <sylvan> sweet!
[05:59] <hondje> sylvan: well, bzflag 2.something
[05:59] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ apt-cache search bzflag
[05:59] <Seveas> bzflag - a 3D first person tank battle game
[05:59] <Seveas> bzflag-server - bzfs - BZFlag game server and proxy
[05:59] <hondje> It's awesome though, they did a GREAT job
[05:59] <soujiro> is there anyway that i can make the system replace gcc-3.3-base with gcc -3.4-base ?
[05:59] <kane> Seveas:  http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/287920
[05:59] <Seveas> ah it's 1.10
[05:59] <sylvan> I only have the bzflag that synaptic reported
[05:59] <Seveas> sorry hondje :)
[06:00] <hondje> Seveas: I think they froze it from sarge like DAYS before 2 came to it
[06:00] <Seveas> kane, as i though: your /etc/hosts is non-functional
[06:01] <kestas> does anyone know the keycode to make expocity work?
[06:01] <kestas> theres 0 documentation
[06:01] <Seveas> kane, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/287922
[06:01] <kane> Seveas:  all the years of linux never seen that before
[06:02] <Seveas> boot into recovery mode and put that in /etc/hosts instead of the current content
[06:02] <Seveas> kane, you're the second person to report this
[06:02] <kestas> ah its alt-tab
[06:02] <Seveas> kane, have you done something special during install?
[06:03] <kane> Seveas:  no
[06:03] <bobi> hi
[06:03] <Sensebend> hey bobi
[06:03] <Sensebend> welcome to the channel
[06:03] <bobi> tnx
[06:03] <hondje> Sensebend: was it always this busy here?
[06:04] <^thehatsrule^> usually
[06:04] <Sensebend> this channel is usually pretty busy
[06:04] <goldfish> yep
[06:04] <kisain> i'm setting up ubuntu to use software raid 1 and at this point in configureing it it's asking me to input the number of spare devices for the raid 1 arry the devault is 0 (zero) is this right?
[06:04] <kane> Seveas:  i cant write to file anyhow i'll have to boot to suse or something to write to it
[06:04] <Sensebend> it's certainly joined
[06:05] <Sensebend> err grew
[06:05] <Seveas> kane, booting into recovery mode should work too, but indeed you need to boot into another linux-instance
[06:05] <cliebow_> kane can you mount -o remount the drive
[06:05] <Seveas> kane, did sudo work before?
[06:05] <xlaxz> hi
[06:05] <Sensebend> I believe I started coming in here occasionally after the warty release
[06:05] <Sensebend> I remember the meetings for hoary development
[06:06] <cliebow_> i started monitoring when ltsp and ubuntu started talking..
[06:06] <Sensebend> I was monitoring the devel list, but stopped as it was too much traffic for my inbox :)
[06:06] <tosti> connect
[06:07] <kane> Seveas: i just install fresh copy
[06:08] <kane> bbiab see what happens
[06:08] <xlaxz> aniway speak french?
[06:08] <^thehatsrule^> xlaxz, see ubuntu-fr
[06:09] <retiarius> running 5.04 i386 on a k8m800
[06:09] <retiarius> any change of getting via drivers to work?
[06:09] <xlaxz> ok thanks ;)
[06:09] <Medrakil> hi guys, I'm having a little trouble setting up a Windows shared printer over SMB - i can connect to it, but it never prints anything..
[06:09] <HrdwrBoB> retiarius: in what respect
[06:09] <thenuke> how much hoary-install needs HD space?
[06:09] <retiarius> i am using the vesa driver at the moment but would like to have xv support
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> thenuke: about 2gb give or take
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> bare minimum
[06:10] <thingfish> Medrakil: I have a similar problem.  Haven't figured out how to get it to work yet.
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> retiarius: oh for the built in video
[06:10] <retiarius> yes
[06:10] <thenuke> I have 2.4gb disk, and thought to give a try to gnome but I guess that it would be pure pain on that p2-300/64 =)
[06:10] <kisain> does anyone have an idea?
[06:10] <delire> Medrakil: i'd see how far you can get with CUPS at http://localhost:631
[06:10] <Medrakil> thingfish, what have you tried? maybe what doesn't work for you will for me :)
[06:11] <HrdwrBoB> retiarius: odd that you wouldn't have a thrid party video card on a system you need xv on, but I think for the moment you'll have to make do
[06:11] <thenuke> It just would be a lot easier to keep the gnome than setup up some other desktop manager by my self
[06:11] <HrdwrBoB> however you can pickup.. any card ever, and it'll be cheap and supported
[06:11] <Medrakil> delire, how do i enable the administrative options in the cups web interface? it tells me to use administration | printers
[06:11] <cliebow_> anyone using ubuntu as ldap server?
[06:11] <HrdwrBoB> thenuke: 64mb ram is more a limitation than the cpu
[06:11] <HrdwrBoB> cliebow_: not at the moment
[06:11] <thingfish> Medrakil: I've just tried setting it up using "new printer" and using the information for it that I know to be correct.
[06:11] <HrdwrBoB> but I'm using it to server other things
[06:12] <xlaxz> bye room
[06:12] <HrdwrBoB> mostly web
[06:12] <cliebow_> i can see adding ldap client ok..but not much there on ldap server
[06:12] <thingfish> I mean, I've set this printer up in several distros successfully.
[06:12] <delire> Medrakil: on my systems that is root, i don't use sudo as a primary administration priveledge
[06:12] <retiarius> HrdwrBoB, I have an fx5200 sitting here, will that route work?
[06:12] <thingfish> and when I try to log in to localhost:631, I get the page, but can't change anything because it asks for a password and doesn't like any I give it.
[06:12] <HrdwrBoB> retiarius: that will be perfect
[06:13] <retiarius> any tricks? just stick it in and pray?
[06:13] <HrdwrBoB> well, you'll have to change x to 'nv' not 'vesa'
[06:13] <HrdwrBoB> but yeah
[06:13] <delire> thingfish: do you have a root account?
[06:13] <HrdwrBoB> it should just work
[06:13] <thingfish> delire: yes
[06:13] <delire> thingfish: and you've tried this?
[06:13] <thingfish> yes
[06:13] <nickrud> Medrakil, adduser cupsys shadow will enable the :631 address
[06:14] <retiarius> HrdwrBoB, thanks, shutting down to try it out
[06:14] <flodine> anyone know how to regenerate menu in fluxbox with ubuntu
[06:14] <delire> thingfish: do as nickrud just suggested. that is your solution
[06:14] <nickrud> Medrakil, you remove cupsys from shadow when you're done
[06:14] <HrdwrBoB> delire: by default ubuntu disables access to the web based cups admin iirc
[06:14] <ccfiel> hello..ppl.. can ubutun linux detect an ntfs hd drives?
[06:14] <nickrud> *should
[06:14] <thingfish> ok, cool, thanks delire and nickrud.
[06:14] <delire> HrdwrBoB: this is stupid. it is the easiest method for setting up printers IMO
[06:14] <Medrakil> nickrud,  how?
[06:14] <Medrakil> oh nm
[06:14] <nickrud> :)
[06:15] <delire> ccfiel: yes it can
[06:15] <thingfish> biab
[06:15] <HrdwrBoB> delire: I used the gnome printer .. thing.. to setup my printer and it worked perfectly and trivially
[06:15] <ccfiel> delire: i have put my ntfs drive..and boot from a live ubuntu cd... im a newbie in linux.. how can i browse my ntfs drive?
[06:15] <delire> HrdwrBoB: it's been unreliable for me. localhost:631 has never failed yet.
[06:15] <Medrakil> nickrud, it still asks for user/pass, root/mypass doesn't work..
[06:15] <nickrud> I used the shadow trick so I could give a meanful name to printers
[06:16] <delire> ccfiel: you'll need to mount it, if it's not mounted already. to check go to a terminal and type 'mount' to see if it's mounted.
[06:16] <HrdwrBoB> delire: yeah I don't use many non network printers so eh
[06:16] <delire> ahah
[06:16] <cliebow_> ccfiel: did you try mount -t ntfs?
[06:16] <nickrud> Medrakil, I think you need to have a real root password
[06:16] <Medrakil> nickrud, i have
[06:16] <flodine> anyone on flux
[06:17] <delire> cliebow_: he's using the liveCD. it may be mounted already
[06:17] <dockane> Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Ubuntu!
[06:17] <Medrakil> nickrud, still does'nt want it
[06:17] <nickrud> Medrakil, I just did it here
[06:17] <jrhodes> argh
[06:17] <delire> dockane: hehe
[06:17] <jrhodes> never mind ubuntu's source repos
[06:17] <ccfiel> delire: i cannot understand what its says... i will past the output after i type mount..
[06:17] <delire> dockane: nice thesis
[06:17] <cliebow_> ok pardon me..i have bveen doing redhat
[06:18] <ccfiel> ubuntu@ubuntu:/$ mount
[06:18] <ccfiel> /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot on / type auto (rw,noatime)
[06:18] <ccfiel> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[06:18] <ccfiel> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[06:18] <ccfiel> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[06:18] <ccfiel> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[06:18] <ccfiel> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[06:18] <ccfiel> tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[06:18] <ccfiel> none on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=5M,mode=0755)
[06:18] <ccfiel> ubuntu@ubuntu:/$
[06:18] <delire> ccfiel: don't flood!
[06:18] <ccfiel> delire:  sorry..
[06:18] <delire> ccfiel: well it's not mounted
[06:18] <delire> ccfiel: type 'fdisk -l' to list the partitions ubuntu knows about
[06:18] <Medrakil> i gotta go, thanks delire and nickrud
[06:18] <ccfiel> delire: ok..
[06:18] <delire> ccfiel: sudo fdisk -l
[06:19] <Marble2> is there any good wallpaper rotaters our there?
[06:19] <delire> ccfiel: sudo == 'super user do'
[06:19] <ccfiel> delire: ok.. there is an output where can i paste it? so that i would not flood..
[06:20] <ccfiel> delire: or i just paste the last part.?
[06:20] <delire> ccfiel: well a fast way to sort through the output is 'sudo fdisk -l | grep ntfs'
[06:20] <ccfiel> /dev/hdc1   *           1        2434    19551073+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[06:20] <delire> ccfiel: ok, good news
[06:20] <ccfiel> delire: that was the last part..
[06:20] <Marble2> anyone?
[06:21] <delire> ccfiel: make a directory to mount it to with 'mkdir ~/windows'
[06:21] <thingfish> Doing "adduser cupsys shadow" but I still can't get authenticated trying to manage printers at localhost:631.
[06:21] <brandonn> can anyone recommend an Access like program in Ubuntu/Kubuntu?
[06:21] <ccfiel> delire: ok done..:)
[06:21] <delire> ccfiel: then the next step is to mount the partition to that place: 'sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 ~/windows'
[06:22] <thingfish> brandonn: the new OpenOffice.org will have an app similar to Access.
[06:22] <anto9us> brandonn: check out openoffice 2 beta
[06:22] <LinuxJones> thingfish, sudo gnome-cups-manager
[06:22] <ccfiel> delire: done..
[06:22] <ccfiel> delire: what's next? :)
[06:22] <brandonn> yeah, I was wondering about that, but I have 2.0 installed, and all I see is the standard 4 apps
[06:22] <thingfish> LinuxJones: ok, I'll try that...
[06:23] <delire> ccfiel: ok, now you should be able to browse the contents of that directory using the graphical file manager
[06:23] <carthik> why is it that netstat -nlt does not list my :631 port as "listening"
[06:23] <thingfish> LinuxJones: oh wait I've already tried that.
[06:23] <carthik> I am trying to get a printer to be shared over a network
[06:23] <LinuxJones> carthik, try netstat -tap or lsof -i
[06:24] <zxc> how do you install fonts on ubuntu?
[06:24] <ccfiel> delire: there is an error..permision denied..
[06:24] <anto9us> brandonn: open any one of the apps and select file | new | Database
[06:24] <thingfish> I get "failed request with status 1030" over and over in the terminal when starting gnome-cups-manager as root.
[06:24] <hondje> I just put them in /usr/share/fonts, zxc
[06:24] <jrhodes> arghable
[06:24] <ccfiel> delire: what's wrong? :(
[06:24] <jrhodes> stupid hard drive
[06:24] <LinuxJones> thingfish, you enabled the root account ?
[06:24] <carthik> LinuxJones, it still isnt listening on 631 after I find out using those commands
[06:24] <thingfish> LinuxJones: yes
[06:24] <delire> ccfiel: ok, it may be because we mounted it as root. now unmount it with 'sudo umount ~/windows && mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 ~/windows'
[06:25] <LinuxJones> carthik, /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[06:25] <delire> ccfiel: then try to browse it again.
[06:25] <carthik> LinuxJones, when i restarted cupsd , it said "cupsd: Child exited with status 98!"
[06:25] <cliebow_> ccfiel: maybe just su - and become root..can you do that?
[06:25] <brandonn> anto9us: bet you didn't see this question coming, what's the best way to install JRE in ubuntu?
[06:25] <LinuxJones> carthik, ouch
[06:25] <carthik> LinuxJones, what gives?
[06:25] <delire> ccfiel: this can all be automated with an installation of ubuntu, whereby an entry for your windows drive is listed in a file system table at /etc/fstab
[06:25] <LinuxJones> thingfish, your in the account that you installed ubuntu with ?
[06:26] <thingfish> LinuxJones: yes
[06:26] <zxc> hondje, when I try and drag the folder it says "You do not have permissions to write to this folder."
[06:26] <anto9us> brandonn: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[06:26] <zxc> hondje, I mean drag a folder to it
[06:26] <hondje> zxc: You have to do it as root
[06:26] <hondje> er, with sudo
[06:26] <thingfish> LinuxJones: I'm in the only user account besides root.
[06:26] <ccfiel> delire: there is a msg mount: only root can do that
[06:26] <LinuxJones> thingfish, sype sudo -s (enter your user password) and try from there
[06:26] <zxc> hondje, how do I move the folder in root?
[06:26] <ccfiel> cliebow: what do u mean?
[06:27] <hondje> zxc: with the mv or cp command
[06:27] <SADI> Hi all
[06:27] <linuxamoeba21> hey all. i'm trying to add a launcher to my gnome menu, and when i right click, it doesnt give me that option
[06:27] <LinuxJones> bbiab
[06:27] <SADI> I am Sadi
[06:27] <SADI> from Macedonia
[06:27] <hondje> I would use sudo cp -R <folder> /path/to/location
[06:27] <hondje> That does w/ permissions you need, and the -R makes it recursive
[06:27] <anto9us> welcome to ubuntu Sadi
[06:28] <Diabolic> :)
[06:28] <zxc> hondje, sudo cp /desktop/blah/blah /usr/share/fonts ?
[06:28] <ccfiel> delire: still there? :(
[06:28] <cliebow_> ccfiel: sounds like you may not be getting root permission..i think you can sudo -s -H to become root
[06:28] <hondje> zxc: if it's a folder, don't forget the -R
[06:28] <linuxamoeba21> anyone know how to add launchers to the gnome menu in hoary?
[06:28] <thingfish> doing sudo -s gnome-cups-manager gets me /usr/bin/gnome-cups-manager: /usr/bin/gnome-cups-manager: cannot execute binary file
[06:29] <zxc> hondje, where does the -R go?
[06:29] <anto9us> linuxamoeba21: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[06:29] <cliebow_> any tricks to downloading the iso? i cant seem to get beyond 160 meg
[06:29] <hondje> just like cp -R /desktop/blah/blah /usr/share/fonts
[06:30] <linuxamoeba21> anto9us: thanks man i guess i was looking at non-hoary instructions
[06:30] <nickrud> thingfish, just sudo -s  to get a root shell
[06:30] <zxc> hondje, I've copied a folder to /usr/share/fonts, do I have to do anything now to get it to show in the apps I use?
[06:30] <thingfish> nickrud: I am already at a root shell prompt.
[06:30] <hondje> zxc: I don't 'think' you do
[06:30] <nickrud> thingfish, I've been thinking, and it's possible I restarted cupsys before using :631
[06:30] <jroes_> anyone ever get the following in their dmesg?  "Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 00323533..."
[06:30] <hondje> maybe restart X, so the X font server looks around again
[06:31] <thingfish> nickrud: ok, how do I restart cups?  I'll try that.
[06:31] <nickrud> thingfish, sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[06:31] <ccfiel> cliebow_: your right..but now when i went to file browser and open the folder windows there is no files and folder on it..its empty..
[06:31] <carthik> nickrud, when i restarted cupsd , it said "cupsd: Child exited with status 98!" - any idea why?
[06:31] <nevyn> jroes_: bad ram or kernel bug
[06:31] <nevyn> jroes_: or bad swap
[06:31] <delire> ccfiel: sorry, phone. try 'sudo mount -t ntfs -o user /dev/hdc1 ~/windows'
[06:31] <jroes_> hmm
[06:31] <thingfish> nickrud: ok, thanks.
[06:32] <delire> ccfiel: that will give you as user the right to browse and unmount this partition
[06:32] <jroes_> the RAM has been working for a while but recently windows had trouble installing on this machine, so I decided to install Linux
[06:32] <nickrud> carthik, not really :)
[06:32] <thingfish> nickrud: by gosh, that did it.
[06:32] <nickrud> thingfish, that worked?
[06:32] <thingfish> yes
[06:32] <thingfish> well, at least I'm in the interface now.
[06:32] <nevyn> jroes_: working doesn't mean it's not bad.
[06:32] <jroes_> :P
[06:32] <nevyn> jroes_: memory problems are nasty
[06:32] <ccfiel> delire: its ok now... but when i browse using file browser.. in windows dir it is empty..
[06:32] <cliebow_> ccfiel: can you cd to the folder where you moutned the drive..see what is there?
[06:33] <jroes_> probably not a kernel bug...  any idea how I could deal with it?
[06:33] <ccfiel> cliebow_: ok..
[06:33] <jroes_> without buying ram, that is :P
[06:33] <nevyn> jroes_: run memtest on the system for a few hrs
[06:33] <cliebow_> nautilus is fluky sometimes
[06:33] <nevyn> jroes_: test the disk with badblocks or similar
[06:33] <delire> ccfiel: 'cd ~/windows; ls -l'
[06:33] <nevyn> jroes_: how much ram is there?
[06:34] <nickrud> carthik, are you starting cupsd directly, or using the init.d script?
[06:34] <jroes_> well, if I run memtest and it reports an error - and I don't want to buy ram... is there a way I can just work-around the ram :P
[06:34] <jroes_> nevyn: 128
[06:34] <Varanger> hi!
[06:34] <ccfiel> cliebow_, delire: in the terminal.. using cd command.. the files is listed... but in the GUI file browse it is empty why?
[06:34] <Fator_Dee> 2 of my 3 ram chips just got borked and I'm left with 128megs :-p
[06:34] <nevyn> jroes_: linux supports memory holes
[06:34] <Varanger> I have installed Hoary (first time with Ubuntu)
[06:34] <jroes_> sweet :)
[06:34] <jroes_> that's what I was hoping for...
[06:34] <Varanger> how can I install amule?
[06:35] <goldfish> apt-get install amule?
[06:35] <cliebow_> nautilus does some sort of cache thing..it hasnt updated to reflect the new mount..
[06:35] <nevyn> jroes_: there was a patch floating around where you could specify a region of the physical map that was dodgy to avoid.
[06:35] <jroes_> that's awesome
[06:35] <nevyn> jroes_: I don't know if it was merged into the mainline kernel
[06:35] <nickrud> Varanger, it's available in the universe repository, you'll need to enable it
[06:35] <Varanger> goldfish: it says that the package isn't there
[06:36] <jroes_> I am starting to read "Linux Kernel Development", this would be something cool to experiment with
[06:36] <Lafitte-> Varanger, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/    walk through to install amaule
[06:36] <jroes_> but.. this is for a friend
[06:36] <nickrud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto/
[06:36] <jroes_> :X
[06:36] <goldfish> Varanger: have u added universe and multiverse in sources.list?
[06:36] <ccfiel> cliebow_: how will let my files showed in the files browser.. it hers something to refresh it?
[06:36] <goldfish> oh
[06:36] <goldfish> hehe, yeah go there :)
[06:36] <Varanger> goldfish: actuallynot
[06:36] <Lafitte-> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[06:36] <cliebow_> ccfiel: i am not sure how to restart nautilus in ubuntu
[06:36] <nickrud> lol, they both work :)
[06:37] <delire> ccfiel: nautilus is a bit strange sometimes. it takes a while. if it was mounted at startup your files would appear there. install Ubuntu ;)!
[06:37] <cliebow_> logout..and back in maybe?
[06:37] <nickrud> cliebow_, ccfiel killall nautilus, and it will restart
[06:37] <cliebow_> thank you
[06:37] <Lafitte-> Varanger,  got here to add repository http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[06:37] <delire> ccfiel: you can try 'killall nautilus && nautilus'
[06:37] <delire> nickrud: ahah ;)
[06:37] <jroes_> welp, off to memtest
[06:37] <jroes_> thanks nevyn
[06:38] <nickrud> gnome-session manager has nautilus registered :P
[06:38] <goldfish> Varanger: yeah ubuntuguide.org
[06:38] <delire> nickrud: gotcha, don't use it myself
[06:38] <Varanger> Lafitte: should I add multiverse ? or just with universe is enough ?
[06:38] <sebas_1> this is for NICKRUD: you deserved an upgrade to an higher level
[06:38] <sebas_1> nickrud it worked
[06:38] <ccfiel> delire, cliebow_, nickrud: thanks its works.. :)
[06:39] <Lafitte-> Varanger,  universe works
[06:39] <delire> ccfiel: great ;) as i say if you had a proper file system table entry this would be solved.
[06:39] <cliebow_> ccfiel: cool..amazing you can give help with all of an hours experience in ubuntu
[06:39] <nickrud> sebas_1, after all that work, it better :)
[06:39] <sebas_1> nickrud it worked yeeeaaaah
[06:40] <Lafitte-> Varanger,  i did all of them
[06:40] <nickrud> sebas_1, makes a real difference, eh?
[06:40] <ccfiel> delire, cliebow : im planning to used ubuntu.. :)
[06:40] <sebas_1> can i put this away for someoneelse
[06:40] <delire> ccfiel: good for you ;) hang out here and get help anytime you need it.
[06:40] <ccfiel> delire, cliebow_: can i change gnome to kde?
[06:41] <delire> ccfiel: seen kubuntu?
[06:41] <garo> Which file contains the modules that ubuntu loads at boot
[06:41] <delire> ccfiel: 'kde ubuntu'
[06:41] <Varanger> Lafitte: my sources.list points to "pe.archives.... "
[06:41] <ccfiel> delire nope..
[06:41] <delire> ccfiel: http://kubuntu.org/
[06:41] <Varanger> Lafitte: will it the same if I point it to "us...."
[06:41] <delire> ccfiel: it's ubuntu in every respect other than the Desktop Environment
[06:42] <thingfish> but still, as before, I can set up the printer all I want, it looks successful, but nothing prints.
[06:42] <delire> ccfiel: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=306&slide=1
[06:42] <cliebow_> ccfiel:in redhat i could change /etc/X11/xinit/Xsessions or run something called switchdesk..
[06:43] <thingfish> I am probably not getting the printer URL right.
[06:43] <delire> ccfiel: many use it.
[06:43] <carthik> Hi, can someone please help me figure out my cups woes?
[06:43] <nickrud> thingfish, I don't network much, but I heard someone mention using ipp browsing instead of samba, windows 2000 and later
[06:43] <brandonn> how difficult would it be to install a package from breezy in to hoary?
[06:43] <carthik> The Cups' cup of woes runneth over!
[06:43] <thingfish> nickrud: ok, I'll try that, thanks.
[06:43] <Seveas> cliebow_, if you want both gnome and kde installed, just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:43] <delire> carthik: hehe what's up?
[06:43] <ccfiel> delire, cliebow: ill try to check this out..:)
[06:44] <cliebow_> i see..sonot installed by default?
[06:44] <garo> Which file contains the modules that ubuntu loads at boot ?
[06:44] <delire> ccfiel: or, if as Seveas says, just 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' and you'll have both gnome and kde
[06:44] <Seveas> cliebow_, kubuntu has kde by default, ubuntu has gnome
[06:44] <delire> garo: do you have an '/etc/modules'? (debian here)
[06:44] <cliebow_> ahhh////////////////; thank you
[06:45] <carthik> delire, when I restart cupsd, I get a "child exited with status 98!" error. when I try netstat -nlt, I find that no ones listening to poor port 631. nc -l -p 631 says " Can't grab 0.0.0.0:631 with bind: Permission denied".
[06:45] <cliebow_> sorry bout that
[06:45] <carthik> delire, I need to get others printing via the network to this printer connected to a ubuntu desktop
[06:45] <zazeem> ??
[06:45] <delire> carthik: have you gone through the whole printer registration process at http://localhost:631 ?
[06:46] <zazeem> hi i just got an icon set no idea how to install and use it can someone direct me?
[06:46] <carthik> delire: ubuntu does not allow me to configure cups via the browser. asks me to go cry on the System->Administration->Printers screen
[06:46] <chope> hi, what could i use to make a simple gui to run a terminal program (ctronome), with different options (ctronome -b 150 or ctronome -b 170, for ex.)?
[06:46] <carthik> delire, I edited cupsd.conf and that is why I wanted to restart cups
[06:47] <delire> carthik: ahah, i see.
[06:47] <ccfiel> delire: so i need to download it again? kubuntu? :(
[06:47] <zazeem> hi i just got an icon set no idea how to install and use it can someone direct me?
[06:47] <carthik> delire, if could see that port 631 is being listened-to, I would be happier
[06:47] <zazeem> please
[06:48] <delire> ccfiel: have you installed ubuntu already? if not grab kubuntu yes
[06:48] <Varanger> is it the same the source.list points to pe.archives.ubuntu.com than us.archives.ubuntu.com ?   (I live in Peru)
[06:48] <ccfiel> delire: well i have downloaded the iso... of ubuntu..
[06:49] <cliebow_> ccfiel: you have any trouble dowloading?
[06:49] <delire> carthik: 'netstat -tupa' ?
[06:49] <ccfiel> cliebow_: its takes 2 days to download..the iso..:(
[06:49] <Myrtti> michael__: happy flight ;-)
[06:50] <cliebow_> mine just randomly quits..between 80 and 16 meg
[06:50] <ccfiel> cliebow_: so i have to wait another 2 days..if i want kde.. ?
[06:50] <delire> ccfiel: i would install ubuntu and then 'apt-get update && apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' to kave KDE as a DE
[06:50] <nickrud> zazeem, cd ~/.icons && tar xf /path/to/icon/theme
[06:50] <bharath> anyone know how to get X11 forwarding working again on breezy?
[06:50] <whyameye> ripping audio from Sound Juicer and K3b: it takes more than 5x longer than when running Windows. Is there a setting I can check?
[06:50] <delire> ccfiel: the only issue with this is you will have both KDE and Gnome on your system
[06:50] <carthik> delire there is a "tcp 1 0 localhost.localdo:32853 localhost.localdoma:ipp CLOSE_WAIT 11587/gnome-cups-ma" line in there
[06:50] <ccfiel> delire: ah..ok..
[06:50] <delire> whyameye: DMA ?
[06:50] <whyameye> delire, how do I check DMA?
[06:51] <Dave2|irssi> hdparm /dev/device
[06:51] <delire> carthik: you have 'sudo gnome-cups-manager'?
[06:51] <nickrud> zazeem, eh, tar xvf for a gz file, or tar xjf for a bz2 file
[06:51] <nickrud> zazeem, eh, tar xzf for a gz file, or tar xjf for a bz2 file
[06:51] <nickrud> fingle fiddle, sorry
[06:51] <hondje> dont' forget the -, tar -xvjf
[06:51] <krg> You'd think tar would be enough of a grownup to figure that out now.
[06:51] <Dave2|irssi> hondje: that's not needed
[06:51] <hondje> no?
[06:51] <Dave2|irssi> krg: it does
[06:51] <ccfiel> delire: in your opion what is more stable and easy to manage... ubuntu + gnome or ubuntu+kde? my history is that im using windows xp..as of now..
[06:52] <Dave2|irssi> krg: with recent versions
[06:52] <carthik> delire, sorry, what does that mean? I never played with the default gnome-cups-manager
[06:52] <hondje> Dave2|irssi: Oh hey! When they change that?
[06:52] <Dave2|irssi> Though I use a crappy script I wrote to do rar, tar, etc
[06:52] <hondje> I noticed a bit ago that ps doesnt want -'s anymroe
[06:52] <kane> i'm back
[06:52] <Dave2|irssi> no idea
[06:52] <carthik> hondje, yes :)
[06:52] <hondje> drives me nuts, that
[06:52] <hondje> I like switches to be clearly defined
[06:52] <hondje> delimited perhaps is the better word
[06:53] <whyameye> If I type hdparm /media/cdrom I get  BLKROGET failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[06:53] <whyameye>  BLKRAGET failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[06:53] <whyameye>  BLKGETSIZE failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[06:53] <delire> whyameye: 'hdparm -i /dev/cdrom'
[06:53] <kane> whyameye:  try /dev/hdc
[06:53] <Seveas> whyameye, that's ok
[06:54] <delire> carthik: nor have i, i just see that that's your cups manager
[06:54] <ccfiel> delire: in your opion what is more stable and easy to manage... ubuntu + gnome or ubuntu+kde? my history is that im using windows xp..as of now.. i want shift to linux ubuntu.. :)
[06:54] <krg> I'm sold as soon as I figure out what software to use to work as an iTunes shared library.
[06:54] <^thehatsrule^> stable? well, kde is more windows friendly
[06:54] <thingfish> does a shared printer on a winxp box have its own IP address, and if so, how can I find out what it is?
[06:54] <^thehatsrule^> but it locks up more
[06:54] <delire> ccfiel: well i teach university students and give them the option of either. nearly all linux newbies prefer KDE.
[06:54] <nickrud> krg,  I hear pymusick (sp?) does itunes
[06:54] <Seveas> thingfish, no it has no ip adress of its own
[06:55] <^thehatsrule^> you need more ram for kde ;p
[06:55] <Seveas> only the XP machine has
[06:55] <krg> Pymusique.
[06:55] <thingfish> Seveas: that's what I was kind of thinking.
[06:55] <whyameye> delire, kane, Seveas, I did it and get  Model=SONY CD-RW/DVD-ROM CRX810E, FwRev=1.0b, SerialNo=
[06:55] <whyameye>  Config={ Fixed Removeable DTR<=5Mbs DTR>10Mbs nonMagnetic }
[06:55] <whyameye>  RawCHS=0/0/0, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=0
[06:55] <whyameye>  BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=0kB, MaxMultSect=0
[06:55] <whyameye>  (maybe): CurCHS=0/0/0, CurSects=0, LBA=yes, LBAsects=0
[06:55] <whyameye>  IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:180,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
[06:55] <whyameye>  PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
[06:55] <nickrud> krg, does it?
[06:55] <carthik> delire, so dead-end it is :)
[06:55] <whyameye>  DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
[06:55] <whyameye>  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2
[06:55] <whyameye>  AdvancedPM=no
[06:55] <whyameye>  Drive conforms to: device does not report version:  1
[06:55] <carthik> delire, I teach at a univ too :)
[06:55] <Seveas> whyameye, DO NOT paste in here
[06:55] <krg> That only interfaces with the store.
[06:55] <delire> ccfiel: whether KDE is more popular in Europe than elsewhere i don't know, but my students seem to prefer it.
[06:55] <krg> I want something that'll show up as a shared library on my PowerBook.
[06:55] <delire> carthik: ahah, what's your experience. kids prefer Gnome or KDE?
[06:55] <whyameye> Seveas, sorry. So what do I do with these results?
[06:56] <Seveas> whyameye, what are you trying to do?
[06:56] <delire> whyameye: you don't have DMA enabled on your CDROM device
[06:56] <carthik> delire, KDE, by far. But soon some of them take to gnome, after a few weeks of trying both.
[06:56] <delire> whyameye: but it looks like it's supported.
[06:57] <ccfiel> delire: ok..maybe ill go for kde... when i see it the setup its like windows.. :)
[06:57] <delire> carthik: this has also happened here, but those people seem to be more 'geek' than the others.
[06:57] <Seveas> gnome is simpler and more intuitive
[06:57] <ccfiel> carthik: why its kde to gnome?
[06:57] <carthik> delire, they have an "Enlightened" aura - yes :)
[06:57] <hondje> e17! e17!
[06:57] <delire> ccfiel: it takes my students about two hours to get fairly used to KDE, gnome about as many days.
[06:57] <^thehatsrule^> no! flux!
[06:57] <darkaudit> hmph... XFCE for me :)
[06:57] <^thehatsrule^> :P
[06:58] <carthik> ccfiel, dont know, for starters kids like to "play around" a lot more, and so they find gnome "boring"
[06:58] <whyameye> delire, how can you tell 1) I don't have DMA enabled 2) that it is supported? Then how do I enable it?
[06:58] <whyameye> Seveas, CD ripping in Linux is more than 5x slower than in Windows. Trying to figure out why.
[06:58] <darkaudit> ^thehatsrule^: got that one, too :)
[06:58] <^thehatsrule^> hehe
[06:58] <Seveas> whyameye, hdparm -d /dev/hdc says DMA enabled?
[06:58] <carthik> ccfiel, it is the "my desktop is l33ter than yours" thing I guess.
[06:58] <^thehatsrule^> whyameye, check your boot params if theres dma on
[06:58] <delire> whyameye: DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
[06:58] <darkaudit> whyameye: hdparm /dev/cdrom0
[06:58] <hondje> I hope KDE cleans up the UI for KDE4
[06:58] <ccfiel> delire: ic..
[06:58] <ccfiel> cathink: ic..
[06:58] <carthik> darkaudit, my xfce has a huge memory leak issue
[06:58] <jamminpotato_> hello everybody
[06:59] <delire> whyameye: look into /etc/hdparm.conf
[06:59] <kane> Seveas:  i'm now updating all the repos
[06:59] <whyameye> darkaudit, /dev/cdrom0 says no such device/directory
[06:59] <delire> whyameye: that's where we enable/disable DMA settings and transfer modes.
[06:59] <jamminpotato> how do i play dvd movies in linux?
[06:59] <darkaudit> whyameye: is it a CD or DVD drive?
[06:59] <Seveas> jamminpotato. you might need libdvdcss2 for it
[06:59] <whyameye> darkaudit, it's CDRW/DVD
[07:00] <Seveas> see wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for details
[07:00] <darkaudit> whyameye: try /dev/dvd instead
[07:01] <delire> carthik: have to say administering KDE machines is far easier than in Gnome; though i have more experience with Gnome, i've found tools like Kuser, smb4k and the Control Center altogether are quite incredible to work with.
[07:01] <whyameye> darkaudit, ah-hah! Yes /dev/dvd works and says using_dma = 0 (off)
[07:01] <whyameye> darkaudit, do I check this for the hard disk too?
[07:01] <carthik> delire, yes, lots of ways to control stuff. True. I was a KDE user. Even now, I use KDE applications. Like Kile, and KSnapshot
[07:02] <darkaudit> whyameye: wouldn't hurt, but usually DMA is enabled for hard drives
[07:02] <darkaudit> whyameye: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[07:02] <hondje> kile rocks
[07:02] <ccfiel> delire: i have now tried to let my printer print in linux.. i have installed it..using system->printing .. and installed the system detected my printer.. but there is no extact driver for it. i used the nearest driver.. i have test print it but..nothing happens..wats wrong?
[07:02] <hondje> glad I'm not the only one using it, carthik
[07:02] <carthik> hondje, :)
[07:03] <ccfiel> delire: the icons says its ready..
[07:03] <delire> carthik: i have an assistant that helps out with administering machines. i can show her how to setup group policies, configure samba, setup print services and configure X all from a UI.
[07:03] <whyameye> darkaudit, okay did what you said. Now it says DMA is on. With this setting stick on reboot or do I have to set it in hdparm.conf?
[07:03] <zazeem> anyone know how to install steam for cs 1.6 on linux?? i tried tutorial but cant do it
[07:03] <carthik> This printer issue I have now is just one of many "obstacles" I have to cross, to prove to my fellow grad students that Linux is as good as windows, if not better. They stare in awe at my LaTeX documents :)
[07:03] <coffeeparty> 
[07:03] <delire> ccfiel: what's the printer? try opening up OpenOffice and test a print from there.
[07:03] <darkaudit> whyameye: you'll need to edit /etc/hdparm.conf to get it to stick
[07:04] <darkaudit> afk brb
[07:04] <kisain> HOLY SHIT I DID IT ^_^
[07:04] <hondje> kisain: ?
[07:04] <hondje> the raid thing?
[07:04] <zazeem> anyone know how to install steam for cs 1.6 on linux?? i tried tutorial but cant do it
[07:04] <zazeem> plsss
[07:04] <kisain> yea
[07:04] <hondje> zazeem: You need cedega
[07:04] <kisain> i did it
[07:04] <zazeem> cedega?
[07:05] <kisain> execept it's not syncing
[07:05] <zazeem> can you help me install it??
[07:05] <hondje> zazeem: It's a commerical program, $5 a month
[07:05] <coffeeparty> is anyone know can i run soul seek in ubuntu?
[07:05] <zazeem> o damn :'(
[07:05] <delire> zazeem: transgaming.com
[07:05] <hondje> zazeem: It's WINE, a windows not-emulator, w/ directX support for games
[07:05] <Sionide> where do you input proxy settings into nautilus?
[07:05] <kisain> well  once i get the syncing thing fixed i don't see why not ^_^
[07:05] <zazeem> look at this though
[07:05] <delire> coffeeparty: 'nicotine' is the app you need
[07:05] <zazeem> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=85ca243d1d968c5cc2ef754a2563a159&threadid=7474
[07:05] <zazeem> thats the guide
[07:06] <zazeem> they have it made for linux
[07:06] <hondje> zazeem: Steam DOES work in linux w/ cedega though
[07:06] <zazeem> i just dont understand half the steps
[07:06] <coffeeparty> oh. so where can i find the 'nicotine' ?
[07:06] <kisain> i play cs battlefield natral selection
[07:06] <coffeeparty> thank u
[07:06] <ccfiel> delire: my printer is  canon laser shot lbp 1120.. there is no driver for this one.. i used lbp 1260.. i have tried to print in openoffice but there is no print the icon says printing 1 job..
[07:06] <kisain> so anyone know why it's not syncing?
[07:06] <delire> coffeeparty: google.com/linux
[07:06] <nickrud> Sionide, system-preferences-network proxy
[07:07] <Sionide> damn it
[07:07] <coffeeparty> ok .thank u !
[07:07] <Sionide> thats what i thought, cheers
[07:07] <whyameye> darkaudit, it seems like I can't read from the CD now! Do I need to restart X or something?
[07:07] <delire> coffeeparty: i don't know if it's in debian yet
[07:07] <jamminpotato> is libdvdcss2 in multiverse?
[07:08] <\sh> jamminpotato: no
[07:08] <hondje> jamesh: Nope!
[07:08] <\sh> jamminpotato: and never will
[07:08] <\sh> it's illegal in most countries of this world
[07:08] <coffeeparty> cool i've got it . thank u delire :)
[07:08] <kisain> anyone have any idea what would cause raid 1 to not sync?
[07:08] <delire> coffeeparty: great..
[07:09] <jamminpotato> \sh so where do i get libdvdcss2 ?
[07:09] <delire> coffeeparty: hey, maybe you can help me. how do i make a ss account? ;) a friend wrote to me and suggested i meet him there but on the ss page i can't seem to see how to create an account.
[07:09] <delire> coffeeparty: he reccommended 'nicotine' hence why i know of it.
[07:10] <kisain> hey bob2 i did it i got software raid to work me a n00b to linux yay
[07:10] <firasR> hi all
[07:10] <kisain> just can't get them to sync now lol
[07:10] <cliebow_> anyone using nx?
[07:10] <hondje> there's no native steam since none of the games run natively
[07:10] <ccfiel> delire: my printer is  canon laser shot lbp 1120.. there is no driver for this one.. i used lbp 1260.. i have tried to print in openoffice but there is no print the icon says printing 1 job.. wat do you think?
[07:11] <firasR> anyone know how to check the speed of my network device ? I have a fast ethernet network but file transfers between two Ubuntu boxes are only running at 7-8 MB/s
[07:11] <caonex> hello, I installed ubuntu from a knoppix live cd, following the instructions in the ubuntulinux webiste; however, I selected to format the partition to reiserfs and when I rebooted it told me uknown filesystem type, why?
[07:11] <firasR> over samba
[07:11] <caonex> reiserfs is not built in ?
[07:11] <jamminpotato> is it possible to install rpm's on ubuntu
[07:11] <whyameye> even with DMA on, ripping CDs is pretty slow. Maybe a bit faster than before... Anything else I can check?
[07:11] <delire> ccfiel: hmm sorry, no experience with that printer. lexmark and hp here
[07:12] <ccfiel> delire: ok.. but your printer works well?
[07:12] <ccfiel> delire: in linux?
[07:12] <delire> ccfiel: yes, i've been printing in linux for years
[07:12] <caonex> Do I have to compile a different kernel and not using the one comming with ubuntu?
[07:12] <Fator_Dee> jamminpotato: it is with "alien"
[07:12] <delire> ccfiel: i only use linux at work and at home. however i always choose my printer carefully ;)
[07:12] <nickrud> ccfiel, check for your printer on linuxprinting.org, if there's a driver available, it'll tell you.
[07:12] <jamminpotato> Fator_Dee, how do i get "alien"
[07:13] <Fator_Dee> jamminpotato: sudo apt-get alien
[07:13] <Fator_Dee> *apt-get install
[07:13] <delire> ;)
[07:13] <kisain> ^_^
[07:13] <Fator_Dee> my fingers are faster than my brain
[07:13] <mchasard> please is there a way to see an ubuntu live cd with config save /restore on a usb key ?
[07:14] <ccfiel> delire, nickrud: ok..thanks.. a lot.. i will buy first a fresh HD for my ubuntu..i will try to shift windows to linux.. hope ill will be successfull.. :)
[07:14] <g14> Is pine packaged for ubuntu?
[07:14] <delire> "This amazing new update to APT knows exactly what you want to do, whether purging, installing or reading cache output! Just type 'apt' and it will take care of the rest."
[07:14] <g14> I know it comes with pico, but apt-get says that pico was obsoleted by nano
[07:15] <krg> Heh.
[07:15] <krg> Actually, pico comes with pine.
[07:15] <ccfiel> bye... ill be back.. :) thanks a lot for all of you guys..
[07:15] <delire> ccfiel: it'll be great. hang out here for help anytime!
[07:15] <Seveas> pine/pico have evil licenses
[07:15] <krg> And pico was obsoleted by nano because most people who had pine installed only had it installed for pico.  :P
[07:15] <Seveas> ubuntu cannot package them
[07:15] <g14> Seveas: Alright, so I guess I'm stuck with mutt
[07:15] <mchasard> so for the special livecd with config save ...is this in the todo list ?
[07:16] <Seveas> g14, nono, you're blessed with mutt :)
[07:16] <mchasard> i'm affraid no
[07:16] <delire> g14: mutt is fabulous! why would you want anything else ;)
[07:16] <jamminpotato> arrrgh, i cant seem to find libdvdcss anywhere
[07:16] <Chambers`> hi guys, quick question.  Whats the website for telling you how to install mplayer with dvd playback?
[07:16] <Seveas> jamminpotato, it's not in the officil ubuntu repositories
[07:16] <mchasard> ok thanks ...
[07:16] <mjr> mutt's imap and multiple folder handling is less than blessworty; luckily, there's evolution
[07:16] <jamminpotato> Seveas, i figured that out, but how do i get it
[07:16] <krg> Heh.
[07:16] <linuxamoeba21> hey is there a way to make nautilus default to "browse" rather than "open" i.e. open with the side pane and all?
[07:16] <g14> delire: mutt is annoying :) I prefer pine
[07:16] <krg> Thunderbird!
[07:16] <delire> mjr: what's wrong with it's folder handling?
[07:16] <mchasard> sylpheed
[07:17] <Seveas> linuxamoeba21, yes
[07:17] <delire> g14: you just haven't written a good ~/.muttrc yet ;)
[07:17] <Seveas> edit->preferences-> behaviour tab
[07:17] <rama> can I configure a scanner graphically?
[07:17] <mchasard> ok bye
[07:17] <Seveas> jamminpotato, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/libdvdcss2_1.2.8-sarge0.0_i386.deb
[07:17] <Seveas> download that
[07:18] <Seveas> and run dpkg -i libdvdcss......deb
[07:18] <linuxamoeba21> gah. n00b moment. thanks
[07:18] <mjr> delire, changing them
[07:18] <delire> rama: i believe so yes.
[07:18] <delire> fishie no need to msg me. what's up? are you using CUPS?
[07:19] <caonex> I am trying to boot the ubuntu warty version, using root as reiserfs; however, I got an error saying that filesystem type not supppported, is it not or may just be my line in fstab?
[07:19] <delire> bob2 kisain http://www.hwb.no/artikkel/15307
[07:19] <caonex> Do I have to compile a different kernel?//
[07:20] <dr_willis> hmmm
[07:20] <jamminpotato> wow, mozilla-sunbird isnt in any repositories
[07:20] <rama> delire: System > Administraion has no such facility for scanner. where to look?
[07:20] <Seveas> jamminpotato, of course not
[07:21] <jamminpotato> seveas, becuase it is beta?
[07:21] <Seveas> was not in a stable state when hoary froze
[07:21] <delire> rama 'apt-get install quiteinsane'
[07:21] <geneo93> this is craziness
[07:21] <Rash> Hey guys, could you give me some help. I'm trying to download Kubuntu's DVD image on Bittorrent but the tracker is refusing my connection.
[07:21] <Chambers`> anyway to use my iPod in Ubuntu?
[07:21] <delire> rama: seriously ;) 'apt-cache show quiteinsane'
[07:21] <delire> Chambers`: gtkpod
[07:21] <Chambers`> Rash, open the bittorrent port
[07:21] <Chambers`> thanks delire
[07:22] <Rash> ConnectionException::Connection Refused:connect
[07:22] <LinuxJones> Chambers`, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IPodHowto
[07:22] <fishie> Well I have the Officejet 7400 and the hpijs with ubuntu doesn't support it. so i was trying to compile a newer version.
[07:22] <dell500> do you really need Mplayer for dvd ripping?>?
[07:22] <geneo93> sunbird wtf is that
[07:22] <Rash> Chambers`, it is opened. I just use an alternate Bittorrent port, is that the problem?
[07:22] <delire> fishie: odd, i thought it did. hoary?
[07:22] <fishie> yea
[07:23] <delire> fishie: you installed hpijs?
[07:23] <fishie> 2.0.1
[07:23] <Archimedes> KDE/Gnome question:  I installed KDE on ubuntu, but it seems like all third party apps still conform to Gnome's ugly windows...
[07:23] <Archimedes> Should I install the kubuntu packages?
[07:23] <Dave2|irssi> "Gnome's ugly windows"?
[07:23] <delire> fishie: when you say "it doesn't support it", is that official?
[07:24] <Archimedes> well theyre ugly in KDE at least
[07:24] <delire> Archimedes: kubuntu-desktop AFAIK
[07:24] <kisain> anyone know where i can find the error log that would tell me what problems raid is having?
[07:24] <fishie> i don't see it under system >admin >printers
[07:24] <delire> kisain: /var/log/syslog ?
[07:24] <Seveas> Archimedes, if they are gnome apps, of course they look like gnome
[07:24] <caonex> anybody here running ubuntu with reiserfs
[07:24] <lonewolff> hey there
[07:24] <delire> fishie: try http://localhost:631 and add it there
[07:24] <Archimedes> so all apps I install say through synaptic will look like gnome?
[07:25] <lonewolff> i wonder if anyone can help me, one of my ubuntu machines seems to take about 3 times as long as my other machines to do dns lookups
[07:25] <Seveas> Archimedes, if they are gnome apps: yes
[07:25] <retiarius> how do i configure video drivers?
[07:25] <Seveas> lonewolff, only in firefox i assume?
[07:25] <LinuxJones> lonewolff, that's probably ipv6 being enabled
[07:25] <delire> Archimedes: they shouldn't all look like that no, just the GTK apps. did you install kubuntu-desktop?
[07:25] <jamminpotato> seveas, i downloaded the .deb for dvdlibcss2, but when i try to dpkg it tells me no such archive exists
[07:25] <Archimedes> No.. should I?
[07:25] <Seveas> jamminpotato, you have to give it the actual filename
[07:25] <lonewolff> Seveas: no, its in any app
[07:25] <hondje> jamminpotato: Why not use apt-get for libdvdcss?
[07:25] <delire> jamminpotato: where did you download it to? dpkg -i /path/to/file
[07:25] <jamminpotato> Seveas, i did give it the full naem
[07:26] <lonewolff> LinuxJones: aha, i didnt think about that, i shall go disable that
[07:26] <Seveas> hondje, because it is only in marillat
[07:26] <jamminpotato> delire, i did that
[07:26] <jamminpotato> and it denies that it exists
[07:26] <hondje> Seveas: You sure? I have them installed....
[07:26] <Seveas> this saves him from adding marilat
[07:26] <Seveas> jamminpotato, use tab completion :)
[07:26] <delire> jamminpotato: well you mustn't have entered the path or name correctly. dpkg doesn't lie
[07:26] <retiarius> i just dropped in a new video card and i want to configure new drivers
[07:26] <fishie> all i see is designjet, officejet, laserjet
[07:26] <Seveas> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:27] <K_Dallas> What does this mean and how to resolve it /dev/dsp not installed? thanks
[07:27] <ccfiel> hello.. im back.. :) just want to ask can i installed ubuntu in 3gig HD?
[07:27] <Seveas> (that one was for retiarius)
[07:27] <delire> Archimedes: 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' is the way to go if you want KDE supported properly.
[07:27] <Seveas> K_Dallas, teach your application to use esd or kill the sound daemon
[07:27] <Rash> Anyone else knows why kubuntu's tracker is refusing my connection?
[07:27] <jamminpotato> yay for tab completion
[07:27] <ccfiel> delire: can install ubuntu with gnome and kde in 3g?
[07:27] <ccfiel> delire: can install ubuntu with gnome and kde in 3g HD?
[07:27] <Fator_Dee> ccfiel: yep, but it might be quite tight if you want to install a lot of apps
[07:27] <Seveas> ccfiel, stop repeating
[07:27] <delire> ccfiel: you */can*/ yes
[07:27] <Seveas> and no
[07:27] <LinuxJones> lonewolff, edit   /etc/modutils/aliases and uncomment/edit the ipv6 line to look like this >> alias net-pf-10 off		# IPv6
[07:28] <Fator_Dee> ccfiel: don't know though if 3gigs will be enough for both kde and gnome
[07:28] <Seveas> not if you want  kde and gnome and a useable system
[07:28] <delire> Seveas: i thought the minimum was 2.5gb?
[07:28] <K_Dallas> Seveas, could you give me some hint as how to do it? i tried mplayer and rhythmbox and for rythmbox i could not find any thing in tis preferences and for mplayer i have to ask
[07:28] <delire> Archimedes: ;)
[07:28] <Fator_Dee> delire: but with only gnome?
[07:28] <Seveas> delire, KDE AND gnome...
[07:28] <delire> Seveas: ahah, you're right. he can't
[07:28] <kisain> it says raid arry is not clean srating background reconstruction(whats this mean?
[07:29] <Nub> hi, i'm trying to set up my MS MN-130 NIC with a modified tulip driver and it still doesn't recognize the card
[07:29] <Seveas> K_Dallas, in /etc/mplayer.conf oid
[07:29] <winmute> can somebody tell me why firefox reacts so slow under linux
[07:29] <delire> ccfiel: no you can't with both KDE and Gnome. Seveas is right.
[07:29] <K_Dallas> Seveas, thanks i am going to have a look at there
[07:29] <Seveas> K_Dallas, in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[07:29] <ccfiel> Seveas: ok thanks guys.. i need to buy one new HD for my linux ...
[07:29] <Seveas> K_Dallas, look for a line that starts with ao=
[07:29] <ccfiel> bye.. :)
[07:29] <Seveas> it should be ao=esd
[07:29] <K_Dallas> appreciate it, thank you
[07:30] <Seveas> no clue on rhythmbox, i don't use it
[07:30] <delire> Archimedes: no need to msg me. just use kpackage, kynaptic or synaptic. my students dig kpackage.
[07:30] <delire> Archimedes: what you use as an apt frontend won't change the look and feel of your applications.
[07:30] <Chambers`> brb
[07:31] <topic> heya
[07:32] <delire> very topical nick.
[07:32] <dbasetrinity> hello can anyone tell me if i have an amd64 do i have to install an amd64 version or can i install a 32 bit version
[07:32] <topic> is X supposed to be dead with todays breezy ?
[07:32] <Seveas> you can install both dbasetrinity
[07:32] <Seveas> topic, yes
[07:32] <Rash> My friend just tested, couldn't connect to Kubuntu's tracker either. Is anyone here connected?
[07:32] <dbasetrinity> thank you ver much
[07:32] <Nub> Hi, i need help getting my MS MN-130 NIC to work with a hacked tulip driver, if anyone can help please PM or highlight
[07:32] <Seveas> but you can easily fix it topic
[07:32] <topic> yay.
[07:32] <topic> i am all for easy fixes :)
[07:33] <Seveas> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:33] <dark> my router go bye bye
[07:33] <Seveas> you need to correct the fontpaths
[07:33] <Seveas> correct paths can be founf with dpkg -L xfonts-base
[07:33] <Rash> Ah sorry, wrong channel.
[07:33] <Dave2|irssi> it is dead.
[07:33] <forester> What kernel is 5.04 using?
[07:33] <Seveas> 2.6.10-5
[07:34] <topic> thank you
[07:34] <AndyR> Seveas, do you work for cannonical?
[07:34] <winmute> can someone please tell me why firefox reacts so slow under Linux(Ubuntu Hoary) is that normal
[07:34] <winmute> ???
[07:34] <Seveas> AndyR, no
[07:34] <Seveas> winmute, are dns lookups slow?
[07:34] <forester> Any known problems using ubuntu from win2k3 under vmware workstation?
[07:34] <Seveas> forester, yes, a dns lookup slowness problem
[07:34] <AndyR> ive found firefox fast on hoary
[07:34] <Seveas> and a fix to it :)
[07:35] <delire> forester: the solution is to uninstall win2k3 ;)
[07:35] <forester> delire: hahahahahahahaha
[07:35] <forester> delire: hahahahahahahaha
[07:35] <forester> delire: hahahahahahahaha
[07:35] <forester> delire: hahahahahahahaha
[07:35] <forester> delire: hahahahahahahaha
[07:35] <forester> delire: hahahahahahahaha
[07:35] <forester> delire: hahahahahahahaha
[07:35] <forester> delire: hahahahahahahaha
[07:35] <Nub> can anyone please help me?!?!?
[07:35] <Seveas> foreach, cut it out
[07:35] <delire> Nub: sure, what's up?
[07:35] <forester> the same
[07:35] <goldfish> emmm
[07:35] <Nub> thank you
[07:35] <Nub> i'm trying to use a microsoft MN-130 nic
[07:36] <winmute> the hole Browser reacts slow
[07:36] <Nub> i modified the tulip driver and did make modules and make modules_install
[07:36] <Nub> but it still doesn't recognize it
[07:36] <delire> Nub: sadly i have no experience with that NIC. have you looked in the Ubuntu forums to see if anyone else has set it up successfully?
[07:36] <winmute> dns lookups were slow but i set the dns server the correctly and it works
[07:36] <delire> Nub: did you modprobe the driver?
[07:36] <delire> Nub: what is the module name?
[07:36] <Archimedes> Is there any way to install kubuntu over a ubuntu install without formatting?
[07:37] <delire> Archimedes: yess!!
[07:37] <Nub> i did what the forums said
[07:37] <Tritis> Nub: Laforge has the same card (i think) and the same problem.  If you do find a solution can you relay it to him?
[07:37] <forester> delire: There are 4 billion apps Linux has no equivalent for that I can not do without.
[07:37] <delire> Nub: what is the module name?
[07:37] <Seveas> Archimedes, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:37] <Nub> tulip
[07:37] <Archimedes> oh ok, i did that
[07:37] <foreach> Seveas, ?
[07:37] <forester> I learned this many years ago, after using the GIMP for a very long time then purchasing Win2k and Photoshop.
[07:37] <Seveas> forester, you just dit not find it yet :)
[07:37] <forester> GIMP still is not close in many respect.
[07:37] <delire> forester: i haven't used windows in years. i can't help you there sorry.
[07:37] <des> Question: My friend set up  ubuntu 5.04 on his pc he cant connect to internet with his motorola cabel modem sd4200 because he cant find authorization window for network acess . please help me its urgent !
[07:37] <Nub> delire: tulip
[07:37] <forester> Seveas: Wrong.
[07:37] <Archimedes> I just feel like gnome lingers on my machine like a ghost
[07:37] <rickard> is it possible to customize the are that displays icons when gnome are loading?
[07:37] <Seveas> foreach, sorry, tab completion mess-up
[07:37] <forester> I used Linux for a long time as a desktop and never touched Windows.
[07:37] <foreach> Seveas, I figured, np :)
[07:37] <delire> Nub: ahah of course. try 'modprobe tulip'
[07:37] <Timbo> forester: which version of the gimp?
[07:37] <forester> Now I use Windows as a desktop.
[07:38] <forester> Every version of the GIMP, for many years.
[07:38] <hondje> I don't like windows on the desktop
[07:38] <Nub> delire: command line?
[07:38] <forester> Many other instances.
[07:38] <delire> Nub: yes
[07:38] <forester> The GIMP was the first made so clear.
[07:38] <hondje> the menus suck, like KDE, and the filesystem isn't familiar to me :(
[07:38] <forester> There are many problems with Linux as a desktop machine for professionals.
[07:38] <Archimedes> KDE is the awesome
[07:38] <Nub> delire: ok thanks
[07:38] <Seveas> lol forester
[07:38] <delire> hondje: yes i also find Windows systems very confusing
[07:38] <forester> lol
[07:38] <forester> tru
[07:38] <des> can someone help me please ??
[07:38] <housetier> forester its ok, really it is
[07:38] <hondje> delire: Kinda like newbies to linux feel :)
[07:39] <Archimedes> wow, xhat corrects "teh" to "the" -- how the hell is this useful for IRC chatters?
[07:39] <Seveas> there are much problems with windows for that purpose too
[07:39] <forester> housetier: Nice try
[07:39] <Seveas> A LOT of problems
[07:39] <topic> Seveas: well, didnt help, reallz
[07:39] <forester> Seveas: Like what?
[07:39] <jamminpotato> the
[07:39] <Seveas> like security
[07:39] <jamminpotato> wow it does
[07:39] <Nub> delire: brb after i reboot and try it, then reboot back into win
[07:39] <Seveas> like viruses
[07:39] <delire> forester: i cannot use windows in my line of work as it doesn't have the applications i need.
[07:39] <forester> Linux does not even have the CAPABILITY to do what I can do with Windows.
[07:39] <hondje> I can't stand how you have to go to sites to download apps for windows
[07:39] <Seveas> like a lot of management issues
[07:39] <Bramme> what's a good equivalent for PowerDVD under linux?
[07:39] <hondje> I want apt-get for windows....
[07:39] <forester> delire: Same here.
[07:39] <Seveas> lol forester troll :)
[07:39] <topic> it seems to be hung on a borked xorg.conf file.
[07:39] <forester> delire: And the same for many others.
[07:39] <forester> Seveas: No, hardly.
[07:39] <hondje> and you can't casually browse pornsites in windows, you ahve to clean stuffu p afterwards
[07:39] <forester> YOU are the ones who told me to lose Windows.
[07:39] <delire> forester: why are you here?
[07:40] <Timbo> forester: tbh, you're just wearing out your keyboard
[07:40] <forester> I have a ratioanl reason and a right to use Windows if I want to.
[07:40] <forester> Why am I here?
[07:40] <housetier> forester ok and when I ask you to please stop it? this is not the place for that kind of "argument"
[07:40] <forester> Because I fucking use Linux as well.
[07:40] <forester> And I used Linux before touching Windows.
[07:40] <delire> forester: perhaps there is a vnc channel?
[07:40] <forester> YOU are the ones who cannot process possibilities.
[07:40] <des> can someone answer urgent question here ?(network configuration related)
[07:40] <hondje> forester: really? How old are you?
[07:40] <forester> I am 28.
[07:40] <forester> How old are you?
[07:40] <Tritis> forester: What was your question?
[07:40] <housetier> lol
[07:40] <hondje> 25, surprised you never used windows before linux
[07:40] <forester> hondje: Believe it.
[07:41] <hondje> How'd you swing that, macs?
[07:41] <Seveas> people, may i remind all of you to the code of conduct...
[07:41] <forester> I used a Mac 512ke until 1995
[07:41] <delire> forester: this is a channel for a Linux distribution called Ubuntu. perhaps there is a channel that deals with Win32 and Linux interoperability || vnc?
[07:41] <hondje> ah...after our C64 my parents went PC
[07:41] <anto9us> des: have a question? just ask :)
[07:41] <Timbo> forester: then you used linux since 95?
[07:41] <forester> A college pal quickly set me up with slackware at college, then I went to redhat for a day and debian for 5 years.
[07:41] <forester> Then Win2k for about 3 or 4 years.
[07:41] <hondje> forester: I didn't think many mac guys turned into linux guys though :)
[07:41] <forester> Now Win2k3 for a year or so.
[07:41] <retiarius> stumbling with dvd and video cards
[07:42] <housetier> so forester what can I help you with in ubuntu?
[07:42] <forester> All the while still using Debian for other things, just gradually moving it away from my desktop.
[07:42] <retiarius> the onboard k8m800 video lacked xv
[07:42] <el_menor> seveas
[07:42] <delire> des: has your friend looked at wvdial or kppp?
[07:42] <forester> Timbo: Yeah.
[07:42] <retiarius> the fx9200 will not post in this machine
[07:42] <Seveas> el_menor..?
[07:42] <forester> hondje: Ok.
[07:42] <retiarius> the radeon 9200 works sort of
[07:42] <veritas> What type of ssh should I have?
[07:42] <el_menor> i already instal  amsn
[07:42] <veritas> On default it's set to bin/bash
[07:42] <veritas> But when I try to ssh and enter my password it keeps registering it as incorrect.
[07:42] <el_menor> i have to restar the pc now
[07:43] <el_menor> ??
[07:43] <coreymon77> hi
[07:43] <retiarius> dvds don't play
[07:43] <Seveas> el_menor, no
[07:43] <hondje> forester: I'm not insulting you (at least intentionally)...just not a common migration path that I've seen
[07:43] <el_menor> couz it doesn't work
[07:43] <coreymon77> i have a problem and was told in the kubuntu channel to ask it here
[07:43] <forester> hondje: I don't care.
[07:43] <forester> hondje: Do you want reason?
[07:43] <el_menor> and it don't want to get closre
[07:43] <hondje> No, need no reason for what you do with your freetime
[07:43] <nickrud> coreymon77, ask away
[07:43] <forester> hondje: I got a computer around 93, it was over ten years old, a Mac 512ke.
[07:43] <Seveas> el_menor, just open a terminal and type amsn
[07:43] <coreymon77> okay
[07:43] <coreymon77> its a boot problem
[07:43] <forester> Now I am a self employed software developer of 5 years with a new house and car.
[07:44] <housetier> so forester what can I help you with in ubuntu?
[07:44] <coreymon77> i have a dual boot (k/ubuntu and windows) system
[07:44] <forester> housetier: I am busy. You can help me later or you could have helped me before.
[07:44] <coreymon77> which are on two seperate drives
[07:44] <Seveas> forester, good for you but please do not creat noise, that distracts people from the topic. This is a help channel...
[07:44] <delire> des: ahah. does the person have a router that requires authentication?
[07:44] <forester> Seveas: I have a right to reply to attacks.
[07:44] <forester> Seveas: Do not create noise by attacking me.
[07:44] <Timbo> foreach: nobody attacked you
[07:44] <coreymon77> i wanted to reboot into windows for something
[07:44] <Timbo> forester:
[07:44] <forester> With assumptions and insecurity.
[07:45] <Seveas> forester, noone has attacked you
[07:45] <Bramme> what's a good equivalent for PowerDVD under linux?
[07:45] <veritas> Ahhh!
[07:45] <LarstiQ> Bramme: totem, xine, mplayer?
[07:45] <foreach> Bramme - Couldn't you play the dvd's with mplayer?
[07:45] <foreach> erm
[07:45] <foreach> heh.
[07:45] <coreymon77> butand when i reboot i get the "initializing grub" message which generally only stays on the screen for a sec or 2
[07:46] <coreymon77> instead it just stays there and eventually give me "error 17"
[07:46] <coreymon77> and i cant boot into anything (windows or linux)
[07:46] <coreymon77> so i try another boot loader
[07:46] <retiarius> using Multimedia Systems Selector the only sink that will "test" is custom with sdlvideosink
[07:46] <delire> des: sorry i've never heard of an ISP requiring authentication for a cable/dsl connection at the network interface end, to use the LAN. perhaps ask your question without messaging me and someone else can help.
[07:47] <forester> Where is the "dns lookup slowness problem" fix?
[07:47] <coreymon77> which allows me to boot into windows (what im in now) and sees my linux drive
[07:47] <Tritis> coreymon77: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=120802
[07:47] <Seveas> coreymon77, can you paste the following on ubuntu.pastebin.com: the file /boot/grub/menu.lst and the output of fdisk -l /dev/hda
[07:47] <Seveas> forester: in FF hit ctrl+t to open a new tab. Then type about:config, in the filter section type in ipv in the network.dns.disableIPV6 set the value to true and restart FF.
[07:47] <hondje> forester: It's in the handbook, for additional things to change
[07:47] <coreymon77> but when i try to boot into linux it says "sector boot not found or corrupt/invalid"
[07:47] <delire> des: ok cheers
[07:47] <phanter> hey people, why is it that I have nearly any updates for my hoary installation????
[07:47] <Seveas> hmm that makes little sense, there's an error in my faq script :)
[07:48] <hondje> I didn't notice much change with it, though :(
[07:48] <coreymon77> seveas: two things
[07:48] <Curlydave> hi
[07:48] <retiarius> for default source only "custom" will test that has the pipeline v4lmjpegsrc and it generates the error failed to construct test pipeline
[07:48] <coreymon77> Seveas:1 i have absolutely no clue what you are talking about
[07:48] <mpq> I need help
[07:49] <mpq> my mouse isn't working right
[07:49] <coreymon77> Seveas: and 2 my linux drive is hdb1
[07:49] <Seveas> coreymon77, that's ok, i'll explain on a more newbie level
[07:49] <Seveas> and windows is on hda i guess?
[07:49] <coreymon77> yup
[07:49] <hac> How I can cut & paste text without gui?
[07:49] <Seveas> that's why i needed the output of sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[07:49] <retiarius> xine says i have no /dev/dvd
[07:50] <Seveas> coreymon77, can you still boot into linux?
[07:50] <nickrud> hac, apt-get install gpm
[07:50] <coreymon77> again
[07:50] <delire> retiarius: try /dev/cdrom
[07:50] <coreymon77> no i cant
[07:50] <Seveas> ouch
[07:50] <hondje> retiarius: sudo mkdir /dev/dvd, ln -s /dev/hd? /dev/dvd perhaps
[07:50] <delire> coreymon77: grab a liveCD and use it to rescue your partitions
[07:50] <Seveas> do you have a linux live cd available coreymon77 ?
[07:50] <coreymon77> ya
[07:51] <Seveas> boot from that disk then
[07:51] <el_menor> seveas how can i listen music like mp3 here
[07:51] <coreymon77> and then what
[07:51] <Seveas> el_menor, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:51] <mpq> I need help
[07:51] <el_menor> and what program ca i use to download it?
[07:51] <coreymon77> i cant acces the internet from that
[07:51] <mpq> my mouse doesn't work right and linux
[07:51] <mpq> *in
[07:51] <des> amule doesnt wants to starts without writing anything in console besides aborted , can anyone help me ?
[07:51] <coreymon77> so i cant get instructions
[07:51] <hondje> mpq: what kind of mouse?
[07:51] <mpq> touchpad
[07:51] <delire> mpq: did you fillow nickrud's suggestion?
[07:51] <mpq> it's a laptop
[07:51] <retiarius> root@meyer:/dev # ls -la /dev/dvd
[07:51] <retiarius> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 3 2005-05-22 13:18 /dev/dvd -> hda
[07:51] <hondje> oh, I've never messed with those, sorry I can't help :)
[07:52] <hondje> did it ever work, or never?
[07:52] <coreymon77> well my brother can set the internet up though
[07:52] <Seveas> coreymon77, but you are on another machine now, aren't you?
[07:52] <el_menor> seveas i can not here music  with linux?
[07:52] <mpq> who?
[07:52] <nickrud> delire, that wasn't for mpq
[07:52] <Curlydave> hey, does anyone know how to gain access to restricted modules?
[07:52] <coreymon77> no
[07:52] <mpq> oh
[07:52] <Seveas> coreymon77, heh??
[07:52] <coreymon77> as i said at the begining
[07:52] <hondje> Curlydave: apt-cache search module | grep rest
[07:52] <coreymon77> my machine is dual boot
[07:52] <delire> nickrud: ahah ;)
[07:52] <fishie> delire:what would i put for the host name for the printer. the ip for it is 192.168.2.26, just using the ip doesn't work
[07:52] <Seveas> coreymon77, you just said linux and windows both didn't boot..
[07:52] <jamminpotato> is it possible to change from the 1.x.x version of OOo that comes with ubuntu  to tone of the beta 2's? if so how?
[07:52] <coreymon77> i used a different boot loader (not grub) to get onto windows
[07:53] <mpq> my mouse moves too fast
[07:53] <delire> fishie: anything you like!
[07:53] <hondje> Curlydave: Do that to find the one that matches your kernle, then sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-module-yourstuff
[07:53] <Seveas> coreymon77, ah ok!
[07:53] <mpq> makes it really hard to do anything
[07:53] <Curlydave> jondje, ty very much!
[07:53] <Curlydave> i think it might have worked
[07:53] <des> delire: you know how can i fix amule cras when im trying to run it ? where should i look for error log or something ?
[07:53] <Curlydave> it did something without error, which is always a good sign
[07:53] <Curlydave> k
[07:53] <naderman> mpq: System -> preferences -> mouse -> movement
[07:53] <Seveas> coreymon77, i think that your boot sector is messed up
[07:53] <coreymon77> when i tried to boot into linux from that it gave me this error message
[07:53] <delire> mpq: there are tools for tweaking the way the mouse performs.
[07:53] <mpq> that's not the problem
[07:53] <coreymon77> "sector boot not found or corrupt/invalid"
[07:53] <hondje> Curlydave: What restricted module are you trying to install?
[07:53] <mpq> the sensitivity is near the lowest setting
[07:53] <Seveas> coreymon77, so you need to boot from a live cd and open a root terminal there
[07:53] <Tritis> jamminpotato: You can upgrade to breezy.  I did but the topic seems to say that is a bad idea.  The only problem I've had is ctrl+w doesn't close tabs in gaim
[07:53] <mpq> sometimes it's fine
[07:54] <Curlydave> newest ATI drivers, 64-bit
[07:54] <delire> des: remove ~/.xMule but be sure it doesn't hold any files you downloaded first.
[07:54] <Seveas> coreymon77, and the type grub-install (hd0)
[07:54] <nickrud> mpq, do you have gpm installed :)
[07:54] <mpq> but the on/off button for the mouse doesn't do anything
[07:54] <mpq> what is gpm?
[07:54] <Seveas> coreymon77, that might fix it
[07:54] <hondje> Curlydave: Oh, cool luck...I hear that's still a pain in the ass to do
[07:54] <anto9us> jamminpotato: it's in the universe repository which you can access using hoary
[07:54] <delire> des: hmm, that may be ~/.eMule i forget.
[07:54] <Curlydave> haha  i know ;)
[07:54] <Curlydave> hondje: i hope it works...
[07:54] <nickrud> mpq, it's for using the mouse on the console, and sometimes it doesn't play nice with X
[07:54] <hondje> Over the years, I've only bought nvidia cards because the ati install stories scared me :)
[07:54] <yahalom> i can run pppoeconf in terminal without x?
[07:54] <des> delire: or ~/.amule ?
[07:55] <mpq> oh
[07:55] <mpq> how do I fix it?
[07:55] <Fator_Dee> yahalom: yes
[07:55] <delire> des: ironically it's not ~/.amule from memory. when you install amule it sets up an ~/.eMule directory AFAIK
[07:55] <coreymon77> alright, ill try it thanks
[07:55] <hondje> what's eMule? I've seen people talk about it all the time
[07:55] <goldfish> hondje: like a p2p thingy
[07:56] <hondje> oh, okay. Thanks goldfish
[07:56] <Necrosan> I'm following the ubuntu unofficial guide for hoary and I'm trying to do the mplayer install, first few steps are good, but apt-get'ing mplayer is proving to be a pain. any suggestions?
[07:56] <nickrud> mpq, honestly, I'm not sure, that was a stab in the dark
[07:56] <des> delire: so i need to write lm /.emule in home  dir ?
[07:56] <mpq> my USB mouse worked perfectly
[07:56] <mpq> but it broke last night
[07:56] <hondje> Necrosan: what do you mean 'pain'?
[07:56] <delire> hondje: a peer to peer client. the linux equivalents are aMule and xMule.
[07:56] <hondje> delire: I grok...like kazaa et al
[07:56] <Barnabas> for some reason, my sound died again after intalling skype
[07:56] <nickrud> mldonkey
[07:56] <kisain> un i got the raid to work ^_^ so um how do i write a wiki now?
[07:57] <naderman> I saw there is a vcl mozilla plugin, do you think one could make this plugin work with firefox?
[07:57] <Seveas> Barnabas, either teach skype to use esd or live with this :)
[07:57] <naderman> vlc even
[07:57] <Necrosan> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:57] <Necrosan>   mplayer-386: Depends: libavcodeccvs (>= 2:20050417-0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[07:57] <Curlydave> hmmmmm, so does anyone know whaat K8 is compared to x64_generic?
[07:57] <Necrosan> plus a few more.
[07:57] <Seveas> Necrosan, use mplayer-custom
[07:57] <Barnabas> no, my entire system sound died
[07:57] <Seveas> from the *ubuntu* repositories
[07:57] <delire> des: do you have an ~/.eMule ?
[07:57] <delire> des: 'ls ~/.eMule' ?
[07:57] <Necrosan> Seveas, I want to have firefox interopability, is this still possible?
[07:57] <Seveas> yes
[07:58] <jrhodes> Curlydave, technically, K8 is the AMD architecture while x64-generic would be for both AMD64 and EM64T.
[07:58] <des> delire: no such dir in home dir
[07:58] <hondje> Necrosan: are you using it from multiverse? Why not mplayer-586?
[07:58] <Curlydave> ohhh ,so which should i use?
[07:58] <delire> des: try 'ls ~/.xMule'
[07:58] <Curlydave> k8 then?
[07:58] <Necrosan> Package mplayer-custom is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:58] <jrhodes> well what do you have?
[07:58] <Necrosan> hondje, i get the same problem with -586.
[07:58] <Curlydave> AMD
[07:58] <delire> des: sorry 'ls -l ~/.xMule'
[07:58] <jrhodes> K8 then.
[07:58] <hondje> Necrosan: okay...multiverse or marillat?
[07:58] <fishie> i give up
[07:58] <Curlydave> ty mucho love!
[07:58] <jrhodes> though odds are you wouldn't see a difference
[07:58] <Seveas> Necrosan, have you enabled multiverse?
[07:58] <Necrosan> I dunno, I added all the repository's as listed in the guide except backports.
[07:58] <hondje> Necrosan: I wonder because I just installed mplayer a couple hours ago
[07:59] <Necrosan> How do I enable multiverse?
[07:59] <Curlydave> oh another quesiotn: "Non-free" or restricted?
[07:59] <Barnabas> Seveas, my sound is dead :(
[07:59] <jrhodes> license terms.
[07:59] <hondje> Necrosan: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and add multiverse to the first two
[07:59] <Seveas> Necrosan, for an example look on http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[07:59] <jrhodes> non-free/restricted packages will still install on your system, they just make RMS sad.
[07:59] <hondje> Necrosan: I have deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[07:59] <Seveas> same for multiverse
[08:00] <Curlydave> oh, so use "Restricted Linux modles" instead of non-free?
[08:00] <hondje> jrhodes: please, think of the hippies :(
[08:00] <Curlydave> and do you know what smp is?
[08:00] <jrhodes> er? just use standard modules and leave the other stuff for later experimentation
[08:00] <delire> single multi-processor
[08:00] <des> delire: i dont have that dir  in home/des/ either
[08:00] <Necrosan> k, updating..
[08:00] <Curlydave> k ty!
[08:00] <jrhodes> SMP is symmetric multiprocessing. it's for more than 1 CPU
[08:00] <Seveas> symmetric multi processor
[08:00] <Seveas> not single :)
[08:01] <Curlydave> ty veyr much
[08:01] <delire> des: then i would try deleting the amule config directory 'rm -fr ~/.amule'
[08:01] <Curlydave> ohhhhhhh
[08:01] <Curlydave> sounds like fun!
[08:01] <Curlydave> i should get one of those, but until then, i'll stick with the standard one :p
[08:01] <Curlydave> ty veyr much for the help
[08:01] <jrhodes> it is, but also generally more expensive
[08:01] <jrhodes> no problem
[08:01] <Necrosan> now should I just continue on with the  instructions?
[08:02] <Necrosan> sudo apt-get install mplayer-586
[08:02] <Necrosan> ?
[08:02] <Curlydave> well, i'm gettign the module now, hopefully soon i can get my vid drivers installed properly
[08:02] <delire> sure
[08:02] <Chambers`> hey guys, is there any way I can connect to my Dell Pocket PC in Ubuntu?
[08:02] <Seveas> Necrosan, first do sudo apt-get update
[08:02] <Chambers`> it's a Dell Axim
[08:02] <hondje> Chambers`: Probably, I use a toshiba pocketPC with evolution
[08:02] <Necrosan> ya
[08:02] <Necrosan> I'm doing that now.
[08:03] <Chambers`> do i need to install anything for it to be recognized?
[08:03] <Necrosan> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[08:03] <Necrosan> getting that though. :/
[08:03] <goldfish> (goldfish)# apt-cache search bibletime                                   carbon
[08:03] <goldfish> bibletime - A bible study tool for KDE
[08:03] <goldfish> (goldfish)# apt-cache search bibletime                                   carbon
[08:03] <goldfish> bibletime - A bible study tool for KDE
[08:03] <Seveas> goldfish, don't do that
[08:03] <Seveas> Necrosan, try it again
[08:03] <delire> goldfish: thanks goldfish, i'll keep that in mind.
[08:03] <goldfish> ah
[08:03] <goldfish> woops
[08:03] <goldfish> sorry :/
[08:04] <hondje> That was only four lines...how man constitutue a flood here?
[08:04] <Seveas> if it doesn't work, use archvie.u.c instead of us.archve.u.c
[08:04] <anto9us> Chambers`: see http://hardware.newsforge.com/hardware/05/04/13/1758241.shtml?tid=59&tid=130
[08:04] <goldfish> My mouse fell and right clicked , sorry.
[08:04] <delire> goldfish: hehe it's ok. four lines is hardly evil
[08:04] <goldfish> :)
[08:04] <retiarius> Seveas, I dumped the uruntuguide addon cd on this machine, is there a better chance of getting dvds to work if I reload?
[08:04] <goldfish> It'a annoying though.
[08:05] <Laforge> Hmm who has the same problem i do?
[08:06] <jiyuu0> retiarius, is there a prob with the ubuntuguide addon cd?
[08:06] <mpq> this is a serious problem
[08:06] <Curlydave> ahhhh i did the restricted module thig but the vid card driver firs step is still pulling E: COuldn't find package linux-restricted modules
[08:06] <des> delire: sry for asking stupid questions, when i write 'rm -fr ~/.amule' in /home/des/ directory it says no such directory , but i can see it in file browser that there is .aMule directory .
[08:06] <mpq> I can't use the computer when the mouse is so screwed up
[08:06] <Seveas> Curlydave, install linux-686 or linux-k7 (intel or amd)
[08:06] <Curlydave> hmm, how do i do that?
[08:06] <delire> des: well the rm -fr ~/.aMule
[08:06] <retiarius> jiyuu0, i don't know. Trying to get DVDs to play today and its not going well.
[08:07] <JairunCaloth> .amule and .aMule are different in linux.
[08:07] <delire> des: linux is strategically case-specific
[08:07] <des> delire: yea just found it out thx
[08:07] <Seveas> Curlydave, apt-get install linux-686
[08:07] <jiyuu0> retiarius, libdvdcss2 + xine + make sure your sound is configured correctly
[08:07] <Seveas> or -k7
[08:07] <Curlydave> k ty
[08:07] <Curlydave> would it be k8?
[08:07] <mpq> I need help
[08:08] <Seveas> Curlydave, have you installed the amd64 package?
[08:08] <mpq> my mouse cursor moves way too fast
[08:08] <Curlydave> indeed
[08:08] <mpq> and I can't fix it
[08:08] <Seveas> then it's -k8
[08:08] <Curlydave> ahh ty very muc
[08:08] <des> delire: yea just found it out thx, dam still same problem althought splash screen with first time ... blabla run time appeared ... and then aborted ):
[08:08] <delire> des: you can cd into /home/someoneelse and still (as you) type 'ls ~/file', and it will list the contents of /home/you/file
[08:08] <Curlydave> uhoh permission error :(
[08:09] <Curlydave> 13 permission denied
[08:09] <delire> des: 'apt-get install --reinstall amule'
[08:09] <des> delire: tryed
[08:10] <des> delire: does not solve it
[08:10] <anto9us> mpq: you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change various settings for your touchpad, I suggest you make a copy before editing it though
[08:10] <Curlydave> seveas: do you know why it would be giving me a "13 permisson denied" error?
[08:10] <delire> des: i don't know.. you don't have an ~/.eMule or an ~/.emule? i remember there being some aspect of amule's session registration located there.
[08:10] <retiarius> jiyuu0, i must be missing a module for xine
[08:10] <Laforge> Ok so i am going out right now, and most people sure that if i get a different card it will help or no?
[08:10] <tritium> mpq, try the mouse configuration applet (System->Preferences->Mouse) first
[08:10] <Seveas> Curlydave, sudo apt-get ....
[08:11] <mpq> tritium, that's not the problem
[08:11] <Curlydave> oh forgot sudo ty1
[08:11] <Curlydave> now it says can't find package linux-k8
[08:11] <mpq> the sensitivity is already near the lowest setting
[08:11] <mpq> but it's too fast
[08:11] <tritium> mpq, then "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[08:11] <des> i did rm on it then i run it again then it aborted then i reinstall it as you said and then i run it again and then abort agai
[08:11] <des> again
[08:12] <Tritis> Laforge: Yes, it will work, but make sure the card is supported before you buy it.
[08:12] <Laforge> ok which are, if you know any off the top of your head?
[08:12] <mpq> tritium, what was the point of that?
[08:12] <retiarius> 
[08:12] <Curlydave> seveas: do you know why it would say "couldn't finc package linux-k8"?
[08:13] <Tritis> Laforge: You might want to read this page first though http://www.faqs.org/docs/ethernet/Ethernet-HOWTO-4.html#mystery   Or just go out and spend $10
[08:13] <Seveas> because it either does not exist or you don't have restricted in your repository
[08:13] <Curlydave> hmmmm
[08:13] <Necrosan> added multiverse
[08:13] <Necrosan> still not seeing anytihng
[08:13] <tritium> mpq, rather than editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand, it's best to use dpkg-reconfigure
[08:13] <Curlydave> perhaps a reboot is in order
[08:13] <Seveas> no
[08:13] <Laforge> but 10 dollars on what card?
[08:13] <des> delire: i did rm on .aMule in home/me/  then i run it again then it aborted then i reinstall it as you said and then i run it again and then abort again
[08:14] <Laforge> what brand supports linux?
[08:14] <Seveas> this is linux, you only reboot after installing a new kernel :)
[08:14] <anto9us> mpq: you can change minspeed and maxspeed in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Mine are set to 0.75 and 1.2 respectively
[08:14] <hondje> Laforge: brand of what?
[08:14] <Laforge> network card
[08:14] <Laforge> ethernet
[08:14] <hondje> oh, most work
[08:14] <hondje> realtek and the cheapo linksys ones from walmart work great
[08:15] <delire> des: i don't know. try a 'dpkg -P amule && apt-get update && apt-get install amule' if that doesn't work try xmule ;)
[08:15] <des> delire: xmule sucks , but i will try all these  and thx anyway ;)
[08:15] <delire> Laforge: i haven't come across a PCI ethernet card that doesn't work in around 6 years.
[08:15] <Laforge> lol well take down ADMtek
[08:15] <Laforge> that one doesnt
[08:16] <delire> des: as i say, purge it with -P and then try installing again.
[08:16] <Necrosan> nothing i do is enabling me to install mplayer.. any suggestions?
[08:16] <Laforge> all right i will talk to the people at the store to get more info, thanks for all the help guys
[08:16] <mpq> anto9us: I couldn't find an option for that
[08:16] <delire> Laforge: Realtek or D-Link for instance
[08:16] <nickrud> mpq, since this is a different mouse, you may need to change the device
[08:17] <atomsk> does anyone know if theres a package with the linux system calls man pages in Ubuntu and what is its name?
[08:17] <mpq> different mouse?
[08:17] <delire> Necrosan: what happens when you try to install. post in #flood
[08:17] <mpq> what are you talking about?
[08:17] <anto9us> mpq: I don't think it's detected your touchpad correctly
[08:17] <nickrud> mpq, didn't you say your usb mouse was working?
[08:17] <mpq> yeah
[08:17] <mpq> but it broke
[08:17] <delire> mpq: is it a synaptic touchpad?
[08:17] <mpq> I don't know
[08:17] <delire> mpq: what is the laptop?
[08:17] <mpq> it's a laptop touchpad
[08:17] <mpq> hp
[08:18] <delire> mpq:  i would 'apt-get install qsynaptics'
[08:18] <delire> mpq: i think your hp touchpad uses a 'synaptic' touchpad
[08:18] <AristoMagnus> Hi !
[08:19] <frogger^> hi
[08:19] <mpq> it wouldn't let me install qsynaptics
[08:19] <anto9us> alps touchpad works under synaptics too
[08:19] <delire> mpq: why not?
[08:19] <AristoMagnus> I cannot install amsn or azureus from apt, someone can tell me what to add to my server list
[08:19] <des> delire: did just as you said to , still same message "Aborted" :\
[08:19] <mpq> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[08:19] <mpq> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[08:19] <mpq> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[08:19] <mpq> or been moved out of Incoming.
[08:19] <Seveas> AristoMagnus, universe
[08:19] <Seveas> AristoMagnus, see http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38 for an example
[08:19] <AristoMagnus> Seveas, what you mean
[08:19] <mpq> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[08:19] <mpq> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[08:19] <mpq> that package should be filed.
[08:19] <mpq> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[08:19] <AristoMagnus> ok
[08:20] <mpq> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:20] <mpq>   qsynaptics: Depends: xfree86-driver-synaptics but it is not going to be installed
[08:20] <mpq> E: Broken packages
[08:20] <Alfred1881> heelp , my liquid wheaters -karamba theme does not work anymore
[08:20] <Rayen16> hi, I have installed Ubuntu 5.04, I have read that the 'root' account is DISABLED by default, but how can I logon now?
[08:20] <Seveas> mpq DO NOT paste in here
[08:20] <AirWays> Pastebin !
[08:20] <mpq> I have no idea what the problem is
[08:20] <anto9us> mpq: try sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-synaptics
[08:20] <Seveas> Rayen16, using the login you created when installing
[08:20] <AristoMagnus> Seveas, And what is the file to put the server list?
[08:20] <delire> mpq: ahah, it doesn't support xorg. sorry. that's a no go. are you using gnome?
[08:20] <Seveas> mpq synaptics drivers are installed by default
[08:21] <mpq> yeah
[08:21] <Seveas> AristoMagnus, /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:21] <AristoMagnus> ok thanks
[08:21] <Seveas> to edit it: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:21] <AristoMagnus> Seveas, its ok, ive put a root passwd
[08:21] <AristoMagnus> and ill use vi ;O)
[08:21] <Rayen16> Seveas yes it asked me for a "Full Name" I gave up the name: "Rayen @ Matrix" but it didn't ask me to make a 'username' OR a 'password'
[08:21] <Seveas> AristoMagnus, ok :)
[08:21] <delire> mpq: i would talk to anto9us about this. i use a synaptic touchpad on a debian, not ubuntu laptop.
[08:22] <Seveas> Rayen16, that's not ok...
[08:22] <Rayen16> Seveas i thought so too, I did the install 3 times, I have read everything _VERY_ carefully...
[08:22] <Seveas> Rayen16, boot into recovery mode (won't need a password) and copy your /etc/passwd to a pastebin
[08:23] <mpq> this is ridiculous
[08:23] <deamon> hia, can anybody help me to get my dual monitor to work?
[08:23] <mjr> wonder if the installer reacts badly to the @
[08:23] <Rayen16> Seveas ok brb
[08:23] <Seveas> by the way: Rayen @ Matrix might be an illegal fullname
[08:23] <des> can someone explain why aMule keeps crashin on start with only aborted message in console ? removed .aMule dir did purge did re install still got aborted . xmule seems to be working normally .
[08:23] <Seveas> it could have b0rked on that
[08:23] <Necrosan> Seveas, It isn't in other distros.
[08:23] <webg2> hi
[08:23] <Necrosan> or any other *NIX i've used.
[08:24] <Seveas> ok
[08:24] <delire> des: is there a #amule?
[08:24] <Necrosan> installer probably doesn't like it.
[08:24] <des> delire: irc channel u mean ?
[08:24] <webg2> yes?
[08:24] <Necrosan> my advice is fix passwd, or reinstall with a single word for a name and modify with usermod
[08:24] <delire> des: yes
[08:25] <des> delire: havent searched i will now :) i thought asking here on ubuntu will be better ...
[08:26] <cerius> kennst sich jemand mit amule istalation aus und woher bekomme ich den richtigen amul paket her
[08:26] <AristoMagnus> Seveas, so, the only thing we need to do is to uncomment 6 server :P
[08:26] <AristoMagnus> too easy!
[08:26] <mdke> cerius, english here please
[08:26] <AristoMagnus> Seveas, im a gentoo user so... :P i found Ubuntu very nice
[08:27] <cerius> wo i kann find the german ubuntu chanell
[08:27] <webg2> easy X 100
[08:27] <mdke> cerius, #ubuntu-de
[08:27] <mpq> this is ridiculous
[08:27] <cerius> thx
[08:27] <mdke> np
[08:27] <AristoMagnus> something that is VERY ridiculous is that i need to insert the Ubuntu CD when i install something
[08:27] <AristoMagnus> thats stupid!! can i prevent that
[08:27] <mdke> AristoMagnus, yes
[08:27] <krg> Yes.
[08:27] <delire> AristoMagnus: you still have the CD supplied in your /etc/sources.list
[08:27] <krg> Uncomment the CD line in sources.list.
[08:27] <Seveas> AristoMagnus, comment out the CD entry in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:27] <jamminpotato> change your repositorie listings?
[08:27] <mdke> AristoMagnus, go into synaptic and remove the CDROM from your archives
[08:28] <Seveas> well there ya go
[08:28] <Seveas> 5 answers in as many seconds :)
[08:28] <AristoMagnus> ok nice
[08:28] <AristoMagnus> ;)
[08:28] <mpq> I hate this computer
[08:28] <mdke> AristoMagnus, welcome to ubuntu btw
[08:28] <nickrud> lol, some memes do propogate :)
[08:28] <AristoMagnus> i will edit the file
[08:28] <AristoMagnus> mdke, thanks ;)
[08:28] <X7C> or... go take a dump :/
[08:28] <X7C> why is that stupid? if i may ask?
[08:29] <Seveas> what is stupid X7C ?
[08:29] <AristoMagnus> soooooooo easy ;P
[08:29] <AristoMagnus> hahhaha
[08:29] <abood> hey guys
[08:29] <X7C> AristoMagnus something that is VERY ridiculous is that i need to insert the Ubuntu CD when i install something
[08:29] <X7C> AristoMagnus thats stupid!! can i prevent that
[08:29] <webg2> :)
[08:29] <X7C> that
[08:29] <krg> Heh.
[08:29] <AristoMagnus> what?
[08:29] <Seveas> X7C, because som people prefer downloading over using CD's
[08:29] <mpq> I need a mouse driver or something
[08:29] <abood> i have a Q, can i install a .deb package on ubuntu without making proplems ?
[08:29] <krg> And I did, of course, mean "comment."
[08:29] <Seveas> abood, generally: yes
[08:29] <X7C> but is that "stupid"?
[08:29] <delire> mpq: see google.com/linux. search for your hp laptop +mouse speed. i can guarantee someone else out there has had the same issue
[08:29] <Seveas> X7C, in his eyes it is :)
[08:30] <X7C> 
[08:30] <AristoMagnus> X7C, Yes, cof course, on the cd, its not the latest package
[08:30] <X7C> 
[08:30] <Seveas> X7C, well that's not true
[08:30] <Seveas> if it wants to install from cd, the package on cd is the latest
[08:30] <X7C> ubuntu releases stuff every 6 months dude
[08:30] <coreymon77> hi everyone
[08:30] <delire> can anyone confirm whether the synaptic touchpad driver is shipped with hoary?
[08:30] <abood> Seveas, ok whats the command for installing file.deb ?
[08:30] <Seveas> i meant AristoMagnus there ofcourse
[08:30] <coreymon77> Seveas: thanki you soo much
[08:30] <LinuxJones> AristoMagnus, comment out the cd reference in /etc/aqpt/sopurces.lst
[08:30] <Seveas> abood, dpkg -i [debfile] 
[08:30] <abood> thx
[08:31] <abood> thx :)
[08:31] <coreymon77> Seveas: it works now (im in linux!)
[08:31] <Seveas> coreymon77, nice!
[08:31] <LinuxJones> AristoMagnus, err /etc/apt/sources.lst
[08:31] <X7C> anyone running brreezy?
[08:31] <anto9us> delire: yes, it is, it's working on my system all-be-it with an alps touchpad
[08:31] <AristoMagnus> LinuxJones, yeah. already done ;)
[08:31] <Seveas> LinuxJones, do you have a few minutes lag? ;)
[08:31] <LinuxJones> AristoMagnus, and it still wants to load from the cd ?
[08:31] <AristoMagnus> no
[08:31] <LinuxJones> Seveas, yeah
[08:31] <AristoMagnus> its ok now
[08:31] <AristoMagnus> ;)
[08:31] <LinuxJones> AristoMagnus, oh ok ;)
[08:31] <AristoMagnus> but i still cannot found azureus on the package list ;/
[08:32] <delire> anto9us: what is the driver name you have?
[08:32] <X7C> anyone running breezy?
[08:32] <Seveas> AristoMagnus, thats normal
[08:32] <Seveas> azureus needs java
[08:32] <mdke> X7C, check the topic
[08:32] <AristoMagnus> Seveas, and?
[08:32] <toran> hey guys, where would /path/to/htdocs/htdocs be with apache2?
[08:32] <Seveas> there is no java on ubuntu by default
[08:32] <Seveas> legal issues
[08:32] <X7C> !!
[08:32] <anto9us> delire: xorg-driver-synaptics is the package
[08:32] <Seveas> toran, wherever you set it to in jour config
[08:32] <X7C> haha
[08:32] <AristoMagnus> Seveas, but i can install another java version
[08:33] <Seveas> AristoMagnus, sure
[08:33] <nickrud> X7C, I think everyone here is waiting for the surgeons to finish stitching
[08:33] <toran> I'm on the default config v_v
[08:33] <AristoMagnus> Seveas, on gentoo, sun-java and azureus are there
[08:33] <coreymon77> one question though
[08:33] <X7C> but i asked who is running breezy not who won't run breezy cause it says on topic
[08:33] <X7C> :p
[08:33] <anto9us> delire: in the xorg.conf the driver name is synaptics and device is /dev/psaux
[08:33] <delire> mpq: anto9us tells me that the package is  xorg-driver-synaptics
[08:33] <coreymon77> right now im useing an internet irc
[08:33] <nickrud> X7C, i have breezy, but I'm not running it :)
[08:33] <Seveas> download the .bin from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, make-jpkg, dpkg -i java.deb
[08:33] <X7C> :)
[08:33] <shane> i made a backup of my sources.list but now i can't put them back in my new ubuntu
[08:33] <coreymon77> how do i add this to konversation
[08:33] <mpq> it said I already had xorg-driver-synaptics
[08:33] <X7C> does expocity work?
[08:34] <shane> something about permisions and how i don't have them
[08:34] <toran> Seveas: hmm... I don't see any htdocs stuff in my apache2.conf. Any pointers as to what I should add?
[08:34] <mdke> AristoMagnus, the various ways to install java are listed on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:34] <AristoMagnus> Seveas, Why i need to download the .bin file if i do a apt-get
[08:34] <delire> mpq: and you can't now install qsynaptics?
[08:34] <anto9us> mpq: can you find the section input device in xorg.conf?
[08:34] <AristoMagnus> mdke, good to know
[08:34] <Seveas> there is no apt-get for java
[08:34] <mdke> toran, check the documentation, the conf files are divided in debian based systems
[08:34] <Seveas> java-package contains the make-jpkg ommand
[08:34] <AristoMagnus> ok
[08:34] <shane> so um how do i put them back/
[08:34] <mdke> Seveas, there are java packages which are apt-gettable
[08:34] <delire> anto9us: thanks, not in xorg or ubuntu here..
[08:34] <mpq> anto0us: yeah
[08:34] <Seveas> mdke, not from official repositories
[08:35] <mpq> *9
[08:35] <coreymon77> cansomebody please tell me how i can get to this on konversation
[08:35] <anto9us> mpq: does it say "Synaptics Touchpad" ?
[08:35] <mdke> Seveas, no but there are repositories which do not contain anything else and which are safe, i.e they won't break your system
[08:35] <anathema> hey guys
[08:35] <mpq> yeah
[08:35] <anathema> uhh
[08:35] <mdke> Seveas, i used the blackdown ones happily
[08:35] <anathema> trying to compile beep-media-player from source since it keeps bombing
[08:35] <shane>  "/join #ubuntu" is how
[08:36] <Seveas> blackdown is ok too
[08:36] <anto9us> mpq: add         Option          "MinSpeed"              "0.75"
[08:36] <anto9us>         Option          "MaxSpeed"              "1.2"
[08:36] <anathema> i get this error.
[08:36] <anathema> checking for X... no
[08:36] <anathema> configure: error: Cannot find X11 headers/libraries
[08:36] <Seveas> anathema, DO NOT PASTE
[08:36] <Seveas> and beep-media-player from the repositories is ok
[08:36] <anathema> what? sorry, was only 2 lines
[08:36] <popegg> join #flood
[08:36] <anathema> no, its not ok, constantly freezing when im playing songs from cd.
[08:36] <Seveas> anathema, you only need to change the config
[08:36] <shane> can anyone tell me how to get permission to copy a file into /apt ?
[08:36] <anto9us> mpq: then you'll need to restart x server
[08:36] <anathema> what do i change in the config ?
[08:36] <Seveas> anathema, open ~/.bmp/config
[08:36] <toran> hmm... I do "locate htdocs" and it doesn't find anything. what does that mean?
[08:36] <forester> Is ubuntu derived from another distribution?
[08:36] <mpq> how do I restart X?
[08:36] <anathema> ok
[08:37] <delire> CTRL-ALT-BACKSPC
[08:37] <hondje> forester: yeah, from debian
[08:37] <Seveas> find a line that starts with output_plugin
[08:37] <mattlins> Where is a good spot to install programs (ie Java)?  What dir should I put that in?
[08:37] <nickrud> forester, evil
[08:37] <Seveas> and make it look like output_plugin=/usr/lib/bmp/Output/libesdout.so
[08:37] <Razor-X> mattlins: take your pic
[08:37] <anathema> esd is gone, im using alsa wiht dmix
[08:37] <hondje> mattlins: I think the standard says /opt or /usr/local
[08:37] <Seveas> mattlins, /usr/local
[08:37] <hondje> I tend to go with /usr/local
[08:37] <mattlins> ok
[08:37] <forester> nickrud: That's not what the ethnic looking apple-esque models on the website tell me.
[08:37] <Razor-X> mattlins: the guide gives suggestions, though
[08:37] <Razor-X> I generally install my stuff to /opt/
[08:37] <carthik> I hate printers
[08:37] <Seveas> anathema, well, that will b0rk op more too, but than change the output_plugin to the dmix one
[08:38] <nickrud> forester, I don't talk to my screen, so I don't know what they think of me
[08:38] <mattlins> And what file do I add java.exe to the path?  So it does it at startup?
[08:38] <forester> I don't talk to my screen either.
[08:38] <carthik> printers are gods way of reminding us of the limits of our intelligence
[08:38] <hondje> I tend to put commerical apps in /opt, like matlab
[08:38] <anathema> well ive already got alsa working fine
[08:38] <forester> nickrud: Nice try though.
[08:38] <anathema> the sound is fine
[08:38] <anathema> its only when im playing from a cd,
[08:38] <anathema> specially when i skip around
[08:38] <delire> wonder: sorry, i used /msg instead on /me (wonder)
[08:38] <hondje> mattlins: You want to make a link from it to /usr/bin
[08:39] <anathema> so i dunno how to fix this.
[08:39] <hondje> so something like ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_03/bin/java /usr/bin/java
[08:39] <anathema> dont wanna use xmms it sucks
[08:39] <forester> Is there a document that details why ubuntu is needed and/or was created?
[08:39] <mattlins> ok
[08:39] <Seveas> anathema, apt-get build-dep beep-media-player should work
[08:39] <tritium> hondje, using java-package is preferred
[08:39] <toran> I do "locate htdocs" and it doesn't find anything. what does that mean?
[08:39] <hondje> mattlins: now it's in your path
[08:39] <mattlins> thank you
[08:39] <Seveas> that'll download all bmp's build dependencies
[08:39] <hondje> tritium: java is apt-able in ubuntu?
[08:39] <carthik> Could someone who is experienced with printers, and printing over the network to a printer attached to a desktop please guide me? I am starting all over now.
[08:40] <delire> forester: ubuntu is derived from debian
[08:40] <carthik> I would prefer pm-ing, if that's okay
[08:40] <tritium> hondje, no, but you can build a .deb from Sun's installer .bin using java-package
[08:40] <hondje> oh, I see
[08:40] <anathema> then apt-get source beep-media-player to get the source?
[08:40] <Seveas> yes
[08:40] <anathema> k
[08:40] <iamnow> hi
[08:40] <hondje> thanks for telling me, sounds like it'd save work in the future
[08:40] <Seveas> and dpkg-buildpackage to build the deb
[08:40] <iamnow> is there a button that installs java?
[08:40] <mpq> thanks a lot guys
[08:40] <delire> Seveas: isn't dpkg-buildpackage awesome
[08:40] <anathema> thats all i type?
[08:40] <delire> mpq: works?
[08:40] <mpq> now instead of being hard to control, it's IMPOSSIBLE to control
[08:41] <tritium> mattlins, if you download Sun's installer, you can sudo apt-get install java-package, and then use it to build a .deb for java that you can install
[08:41] <mpq> I was being sarcastic
[08:41] <delire> mpq: hehe
[08:41] <mpq> "hehe"?
[08:41] <anto9us> mpq: you can try different values
[08:41] <delire> mpq: well tweak some more.
[08:41] <mattlins> tritium: I did download the installer.
[08:41] <hondje> tritium: Why can't they put java in non-free? Against suns distribution license?
[08:41] <shane> how can i edit a file thats in /apt?
[08:41] <mattlins> tritum: Now what do I type?
[08:41] <shane> like replace it with something diffrent
[08:42] <HappyFool> shane: you mean /etc/apt ?
[08:42] <HappyFool> like /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:42] <iamnow> how bout a button called install java
[08:42] <mpq> is there a way to restart x without having to reboot?
[08:42] <Seveas> mpq, yes
[08:42] <nickrud> iamnow, no
[08:42] <hondje> mpq: ctrl-alt-backspace
[08:42] <tritium> hondje, yes, Sun's licensing is too restrictive for that
[08:42] <Seveas> hit <ctrl><alt><backspace>
[08:42] <delire> mpq: CTRL-ALT-BCKSPC
[08:42] <anathema> i made my own deb of the java thing, thanks to tritium :D
[08:42] <HappyFool> heh
[08:42] <hondje> tritium: Thats' a shame, they'd get a lot of good will if they would open up
[08:42] <tritium> anathema, awesome :)
[08:42] <shane> happyfool yes
[08:42] <anathema> if anyone wants it i could put it on a server
[08:42] <hondje> Oh well, gcj is coming along well I hear
[08:42] <anathema> they should put a .deb of it in multiverse
[08:42] <tritium> hondje, yes, I agree...
[08:43] <HappyFool> shane: try 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list' from the terminal
[08:43] <iamnow> maybe someone can make a script that does it from homedir with python
[08:43] <shane> i have a custom sources list
[08:43] <shane> ok
[08:43] <tritium> anathema, no, you can't, as it's against Sun's licensing
[08:43] <delire> iamnow: would be trivial i guess
[08:43] <HappyFool> shane: or 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' if you're not in GUI mode
[08:43] <hondje> Does gcj have a vm, or does it compile stuff?
[08:43] <anathema> ah doh
[08:43] <delire> iamnow: use os.popen() to resource apt
[08:43] <Seveas> hondje, it can do both
[08:43] <Dave2> Is there any way to get libvorbis 1.1 in Ubuntu Hoary?
[08:44] <hondje> Seveas: That's pretty neat
[08:44] <delire> iamnow: i mean dpkg.. make a *.deb of it or just use the *.bin as is
[08:44] <tritium> mattlins, if you want to, you can "sudo apt-get install java-package", and then "fakeroot java-package <path-to-Sun-installer>"
[08:44] <iamnow> delire: you know how to make a python script to install java? maybe they will put it somewhere
[08:44] <tritium> mattlins, oops, s/java-package/make-jpkg"
[08:44] <delire> iamnow: i could write it yes..
[08:45] <iamnow> delire: you would be like god but not god but good
[08:45] <delire> iamnow: a shell script would be just as effective though.
[08:45] <shane> happyfool thanx man ^_^
[08:45] <HappyFool> np
[08:45] <popegg> you are welcome
[08:45] <LinuxJones> Dave2, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:45] <Anubis> is anyone responsible for getting us new packages?
[08:45] <Dave2> for libvorbis 1.1? o_O
[08:45] <mattlins> E: Couldn't find package j2sdk-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin
[08:45] <Anubis> Like gtk-gnutella?
[08:45] <mattlins> thats what I got
[08:46] <mpq> now the cursor shakes when I have my finger on the touchpad
[08:46] <mpq> the mouse is worse now
[08:46] <Seveas> mattlins, give it the .deb file
[08:46] <mattlins> i thought I was building the deb file
[08:46] <delire> mpq: i would google.com/linux for your laptop +touchpad
[08:46] <anto9us> mpq: I can paste the entire set of options to you if you like
[08:46] <mpq> also x didn't start again when I did ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:46] <shane> i have a question how do i write a wiki?
[08:46] <Dave2> LinuxJones, If libvorbis 1.1 was in Hoary, surely it'd've updated itself?
[08:46] <mpq> I had to reboot the computer
[08:46] <LinuxJones> Dave2, sorry I didn't realize you wanted the spcific version
[08:46] <Seveas> mattlins, try tab completion for the filename :)
[08:46] <tritium> mattlins, first you need to install java-package (sudo apt-get install java-package)
[08:46] <Dave2> yeah
[08:46] <delire> mpq: it did, just the session manager picked X up again.
[08:46] <Dave2> 1.0.1 is what's in apt at the moment
[08:47] <hondje> shane: go to wikipedia.org, go to help, they have some quick-start tutorials
[08:47] <Dave2> 1.1's supposed to have a lot of improvements
[08:47] <shane> k thank you
[08:47] <mattlins> Ok, where can I find a list of the package names?
[08:47] <tritium> mattlins, once it's installed, "fakeroot make-jpkg j2sdk-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin", if that is the filename of the installer you downloaded from Sun
[08:47] <LinuxJones> Dave2, that probably won't make it into stable untill the Breezy release
[08:48] <anathema> i personally dont care about suns licensing tritum..if helping my fellow ubuntu users is the worst thing i do with software today, the creators can consider themselves lucky :)
[08:48] <mpq> it's next to impossible to use the mouse now
[08:48] <Seveas> delire, it's not legal
[08:48] <mattlins> bash: fakeroot: command not found
[08:48] <hondje> delire: Maybe they pay the companies?
[08:48] <Dave2> LinuxJones, I was wondering if there was an unofficial repository or whatever which I could get it from
[08:48] <mpq> it's like I have to trick it into doing it what I want
[08:48] <delire> Seveas: i realise.
[08:48] <hondje> anathema: But if we all did that, then we couldn't complain about people violating the GPL :)
[08:48] <delire> hondje: i don't think they do in this case.
[08:48] <anathema> haha
[08:48] <anathema> my azureus window is so full i have to scroll to see all the torrents im downloading
[08:49] <hondje> I never really looked at mepis
[08:49] <tritium> anathema, if you do that, I don't want to know about it...
[08:49] <nickrud> mpq, then it looks like the changes you were given are in the right place, just not the right values. Try some other numbers
[08:49] <hondje> I heard good things, then it seemed to just 'sit' there
[08:49] <carthik> Okay, so I screwed up cupsys - now how do I ask my computer to reinstall all of it, as if it were a fresh install ?
[08:49] <anathema> haha yeah
[08:49] <LinuxJones> Dave2, well you can google for it but it's not advisable to install software from outside the Ubuntu repositories :(
[08:49] <anathema> well, if its not allowd in here i wont do it
[08:49] <mattlins> tritum: I got "bash: fakeroot: command not found
[08:49] <mattlins> "
[08:49] <delire> hondje: it's a Just Works distro, albeit very non-free.
[08:49] <hondje> Ah, like mandrake or SuSE?
[08:49] <delire> hondje: better IMO
[08:49] <mpq> ok, I lowered the values
[08:49] <delire> hondje: debian based, though not in spirit.
[08:49] <anto9us> mpq: it could be sensitivity - Option "Fingerlow"  "50" and Option "FingerHigh" "80" may help
[08:49] <tritium> mattlins, when you installed java-package, it should have installed fakeroot as well, as it is a dependency of it
[08:49] <hondje> oh, that's right! :)
[08:49] <_kevin> when you download files from amule by default wher do they go?
[08:50] <hondje> Mandrake was fun, when I bought 7.2 at the store it came with a whole CD of commerical apps
[08:50] <hondje> You sure wouldn't see that these days :-/
[08:50] <anathema> hey its mandriva now!
[08:50] <anathema> haha
[08:50] <anathema> poor buggers
[08:50] <delire> _kevin ~/.amule/Incoming i believe
[08:50] <hondje> what a terrible name
[08:50] <mpq> this is ridiculous
[08:50] <anathema> wonder why they changed it
[08:50] <mattlins> tritum: when you refer to the java packager are you talking about the .bin file I downloaded from sun?
[08:50] <delire> hondje: truly.
[08:50] <mattlins> packager = package
[08:50] <tritium> mattlins, no, that's the exact name of the package I want you to install
[08:50] <_kevin> where is the amule normally located
[08:51] <hondje> they start out, make all kinds of cool stuff for newbies, go bankrupt, fight their way into profit and respectability....and now they're called mandriva
[08:51] <hondje> Why not just go with mangina
[08:51] <tritium> mattlins, do this exactly: "sudo apt-get install java-package"
[08:51] <HappyFool> merged with connectiva, hence name-change
[08:51] <delire> _kevin: 'whereis amule'
[08:51] <mpq> okay, I added the sensitivity option
[08:51] <delire> _kevin: user directories are /home/you/.aMule
[08:51] <mpq> now what?
[08:51] <_kevin> i dunno the folder the amule director is
[08:51] <delire> time to go.. out
[08:52] <mattlins> tritium: E: Couldn't find package java-package
[08:52] <_kevin> i don't see it in home
[08:52] <anto9us> mpq: as ever, restart x to invoke the settings, you'd do well to find settings known to work for you hardware though :)
[08:52] <nickrud> mpq, if it's too sensitive, try lowering the number, and restarting X
[08:52] <tritium> mattlins, have you enabled multiverse?
[08:52] <mpq> x doesn't restart when I ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:52] <goldfish> what happens?
[08:52] <mpq> it closes but doesn't start again
[08:52] <mpq> and I have to reboot
[08:52] <mattlins> tritium: I don't know what that is, sorry.
[08:52] <goldfish> uh oh :/
[08:53] <Anubis> The following packages have been kept back:
[08:53] <Anubis>   libavcodeccvs libpostproc0 libxvidcore4 mplayer-k6
[08:53] <Anubis> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
[08:53] <Anubis> whats does this mean?
[08:53] <hondje> besides making updates a little easier, in theory, what's the advantage of turning sun's .bin into a .deb?
[08:53] <tritium> it's under package management
[08:53] <nickrud> hondje, so you can remove it cleanly if you want
[08:53] <hondje> but rm -rf /usr/local/java would do that cleanly, too...well, it'd break symlinks
[08:53] <mattlins> tritum: I'm following the guide to enable multiverse
[08:54] <tritium> mattlins, http://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories <-- look here for how to add the multiverse repositories
[08:54] <mpq> YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING
[08:54] <mpq> the mouse doesn't move AT ALL now
[08:55] <occy> jdub, why not just use: Ubuntites?
[08:55] <mpq> this wouldn't be a problem if my USB mouse didn't break
[08:55] <anto9us> mpq: use google as delire suggested :)
[08:55] <mpq> I DID
[08:55] <mpq> NOTHING RELEVANT CAME UP
[08:55] <HappyFool> please don't shout
[08:55] <mpq> sorry
[08:55] <anto9us> mpq: then play with the settings and to help you can sudo startx from command line
[08:55] <mpq> I'm really angry
[08:56] <tritium> mpq, don't take it out on us, though, dude
[08:56] <michael__> still in my first day of ubuntu... I'm trying to do "sudo apt-get install torsmo" and I get four of these: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restrict ed Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_restric ted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[08:56] <michael__> would that be normal? :s
[08:56] <mpq> this isn't worth it
[08:56] <Seveas> michael__, sudo apt-get update
[08:56] <Seveas> that'll help
[08:56] <mpq> it's enough to make me want to switch back to windows
[08:56] <sri> anybody know when X in breezy is going to be fixed?
[08:56] <michael__> okay, I'll try that
[08:56] <mpq> this is ridiculous
[08:56] <Seveas> sri, asap
[08:56] <iamnow> what happened?
[08:57] <sri> Seveas: cool..
[08:57] <anto9us> mpq: think of the buzz you'll get when you fix it :)
[08:57] <iamnow> why is he shouting?
[08:57] <tritium> mpq, calm down, please.  We didn't break your setup.
[08:57] <mpq> ...
[08:57] <[Piratez] > :)
[08:57] <hondje> poor guy
[08:57] <hondje> touchpads would drive me nuts
[08:57] <sri> iamnow: X got updated but not all packages were updated so it's pretty broken
[08:57] <anto9us> mpq: what model is your hp laptop?
[08:57] <sri> iamnow: it was worse eralier when getty wasn't around, so you oculdn't even log in :D
[08:58] <[Piratez] > http://piratez.ath.cx/temp/unbuntu_linux_screenshot.jpg just testing it out :) its amazing; works well with netgear wireless!!!
[08:58] <Seveas> anto9us, he's gone already :)
[08:58] <[Piratez] > http://piratez.ath.cx/temp/Forces-of-Nature.jpg
[08:58] <tritium> sri, what's wrong with X?
[08:58] <abood> guys, damn firestarter its dropping all my connection when i start it, i allowed my local ip and my needed ports but it dosent response ?!
[08:58] <anto9us> Seveas: thanks, I didn't notice
[08:58] <retiarius> back after a reload, how do I try the via driver for X?
[08:59] <abood> any idea ?
[08:59] <sri> tritium: after a major update about 2-3 days ago I could no longer start X saying it couldn't find the fixed font
[08:59] <Necrosan> mpq, switch back to windows.
[08:59] <Necrosan> your brain isnt big enough for any other OS.
[08:59] <Jormundgand> Corrected typo: http://piratez.ath.cx/temp/ubuntu_linux_screenshot.jpg
[08:59] <tritium> sri, it was not updated yet.
[08:59] <[Piratez] > :)
[08:59] <sri> tritium: since then there has been one or more updates and it's still pretty borken
[08:59] <amonkey> i just removed one of my storage drives and when i rebooted i found out that grub was actually on that drie pointing at the drive wiht ubuntu on it. i have the ubuntu install disk, how can i use that to put grub(or lilo) on my drive without erasing the data?
[08:59] <Nub> hi if anyone can help me that'd be awesome, trying to get microsoft mn-130 nic to work in ubuntu with modified tulip driver
[08:59] <Nub> need help
[08:59] <sri> tritium: yesterday, it says that xutil was held back, and when Iremoved it (and apparently all the x fonts with it) it won't let me re-intall because it's dependency is apparently uninstallable.
[09:00] <iamnow> is it easy to get dialup working in ubuntu?
[09:00] <tritium> sri, you must be running breezy, despite the warnings (see topic)
[09:00] <sri> tritium: I'm cool if it's broken, it is breezy after al.
[09:00] <sri> tritium: yeah, I updated to breezy long before the warnings :)
[09:00] <satriani> hi all
[09:01] <tritium> sri, okay, good luck
[09:01] <sri> tritium: I'm not complaining mind you, just wondering when it'll get fixed.
[09:01] <satriani> I've a problem with intel high definition audio
[09:01] <sri> tritium: if it doesn't, I'll compile my own X
[09:01] <Jormundgand> I'm sticking to Hoary until Breezy is stable enough for use. I anticipate it'll be stable enough well before the release date, but hey.
[09:01] <mpq> I guess it's a fix
[09:01] <Nub> hi can someone help me?
[09:01] <satriani> does someone want to help me ?
[09:01] <nickrud> mpq, better?
[09:01] <mpq> but I still don't like the way it moves
[09:01] <sri> the problem with hoary is that new stable packages of say evolution and what not that might fix some bugs for me won't be updated.
[09:01] <[Piratez] > will the next build have the latest version of all the apps on the live cd
[09:01] <ltuvis> how exit from man command ?
[09:02] <hondje> ltuvis: q
[09:02] <ltuvis> thnx
[09:02] <anto9us> mpq: tweak it till you like it :)
[09:02] <anathema> q to exit
[09:02] <Necrosan> Nub, buy a new nic?
[09:02] <Necrosan> they
[09:02] <hondje> you're welcome
[09:02] <Necrosan> re like $10 at best buy
[09:02] <anathema> / to search
[09:02] <nickrud> sri, I think ubuntu's and gnome's releases are sync'd for a reason :)
[09:02] <sri> so for instance if evolution-exchange is broken, I have to switch to breezy to get any new versions of evo.
[09:02] <amonkey> i'll brb, if anyone knows how to install just grub from the ubuntu install disk please send me a private msg
[09:02] <Nub> Necrosan: i'd like to get this one working
[09:02] <LinuxJones> satriani, what's wrong ?
[09:02] <mpq> anto9us: I can't restart x without rebooting
[09:02] <mpq> and it takes too long
[09:02] <sri> nickrud: evolution is not part of the gnome release process.
[09:02] <tritium> amonkey, grub-install
[09:02] <anto9us> mpq: did you try sudo startx?
[09:02] <Nub> Necrosan: by all acounts it should be able to with the modified driver
[09:02] <hondje> mpq ctrl-alt-backspace together
[09:02] <hondje> That'll restart just X
[09:03] <nickrud> sri, yeah, but I understand they're now trying to follow it.
[09:03] <mpq> hondje: it doesn't
[09:03] <sri> nickrud: and stable releases of gnome 2.10 series should show up on hoary
[09:03] <mpq> it closes x but doesn't start it
[09:03] <mpq> and when I did startx it did some weird thing
[09:03] <sri> nickrud: not that there has been any that I know of.
[09:03] <hondje> mpq: oh, it doesn't bring back the login screen?
[09:03] <mpq> instead of my setup
[09:03] <mpq> no
[09:03] <abood> guys,  firestarter its dropping all my connection when i start it, i allowed my local ip and my needed ports but it dosent response ?! any ideas !!
[09:03] <mpq> it shows the text-only login
[09:03] <nickrud> sri, I would kinda like 2.10.1 or others, but we won't, you're right
[09:03] <hondje> mpq: temp work-around, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart when that happens
[09:04] <sri> nickrud: but certainly other software should be updated if there are bugs.
[09:04] <satriani> LinuxJones,  I followed instructions here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HdaIntelSoundHowto ....the second method, but this is the result
[09:04] <Fator_Dee> abood: did you click on "apply policy"?
[09:04] <satriani> ALSA /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/pci/azx/azx.c:503: codec_mask = 0x3
[09:04] <satriani> ALSA /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/pci/azx/hda_codec.c:416: hda_codec: no AFG nod e found
[09:04] <satriani> ALSA /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/pci/azx/hda_codec.c:416: hda_codec: no AFG nod e found
[09:04] <satriani> ALSA /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/pci/azx/azx.c:782: azx: no codecs initialized
[09:04] <satriani> Intel HDA: probe of 0000:00:1b.0 failed with error -6
[09:04] <LinuxJones> mpq, hit ctrl + alt+ backspace...when you get to terminal type /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:04] <tritium> satriani, please don't paste.  use pastebin.com or #flood instead
[09:04] <sri> nickrud: so you're kinda stuck right?  someone needs to create another branch for these things :D
[09:04] <jamminpotato> what is the sim,plest way to install java on ubuntu?
[09:04] <nickrud> sri, yeah, unstable :)
[09:04] <sri> nickrud: yeah, exactly...which is why I'm on breezy ;)
[09:04] <bobgreen5s> quick install script
[09:04] <satriani> tritium, sorry
[09:04] <LinuxJones> mpq, put a sudo in front of that command sorry :)
[09:05] <des> how i add 2.0.. version of amule to package manager ??
[09:05] <tritium> satriani, it's okay.
[09:05] <bobgreen5s> jaminpotato: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[09:05] <tritium> jamminpotato, keep in mind that simplest isn't always best.
[09:05] <abood> Fator_Dee, maybe thats is the proplem that the Aplly policy still disabled means that i cant press on it when i add new policy
[09:06] <Chambers`> does anyone else have an ipod?  I keep getting error even after reading the howto, installation went fine, but trying to play files from Rhythmbox gives an error: Could not open vfs file "file:///media/THOMS%20IPOD/ipod_control/Music/F10/2016.mp3" for reading  <-- any ideas?
[09:06] <LinuxJones> satriani, can you try again using method #1 ?
[09:06] <satriani> do someone know what is the problem ?
[09:06] <jpfarias> hey, can someone help me with locale?
[09:06] <satriani> LinuxJones, ok, but how can I remove error messages ?
[09:06] <LinuxJones> Chambers`, install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:07] <jpfarias> every time I open a gtk2 app it says my locale is not supported and will use "C" instead
[09:07] <satriani> LinuxJones, how can I restore previous state ?
[09:07] <mattlins> tritium: after I download the java-package, what was the fakeroot command?  It's no longer in the chat browser cache, sorry.
[09:07] <des> tritium: i have only 1.2.6 version of amule in package manager and its very unstable , how i add new 2.0 to package manager ??
[09:07] <LinuxJones> satriani, I am not sure dude compiling alsa scares me :D
[09:07] <Nub> can somebody help me
[09:07] <tritium> mattlins, fakeroot make-jpkg <path-to-Sun-binary-installer>
[09:07] <mpq> I still don't like the way the mouse moves
[09:08] <mpq> but I don't think I can get it any better
[09:08] <Nub> trying to use microsoft MN-130 nic with modified tulip driver
[09:08] <fred_> hello
[09:08] <tritium> des, 2.0 is not in the repositories
[09:08] <Nub> doesn't recognize
[09:08] <hondje> Nub: who modified them? :)
[09:08] <anto9us> mpq: what model is your hp laptop?
[09:08] <nickrud> mpq, I have never liked a touchpad either
[09:08] <Nub> hondje i did
[09:08] <des> tritium: how i add it ?
[09:08] <fred_> i cant find mplayer package, which repository is it in?
[09:08] <mpq> anto9us: ze4900
[09:08] <hondje> Nub: oh, brave man :)  What's the problem, sir?
[09:08] <des> tritium: how i add it to repositories ?
[09:08] <Necrosan> i bet mpq is going to try and play FPS's with a touchpad.
[09:08] <Nub> hondje: so i change it to work, make modules, make modules_install, and still doesn't work
[09:09] <mpq> I don't play FPS
[09:09] <Nub> hondje: by all accounts it should work
[09:09] <Nub> hondje: but it doesn't
[09:09] <hondje> make modules_install doesn't work?
[09:09] <Nub> no it does
[09:09] <tritium> des, you can't.  Do  you have a version 2.0 .deb package of it?
[09:09] <hondje> Or insmod doesn't work
[09:09] <abood> Fator_Dee, i press the apply policy n didnt worked too, any idea ?
[09:09] <satriani> do someone know how to restore the state of my system previous to instructions here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HdaIntelSoundHowto ?
[09:10] <Nub> hondje: so i edit the source, then i do make modules, then make modules_install
[09:10] <tritium> satriani, can't you back-out the changes you made?
[09:10] <Nub> hondje: both appear to work
[09:10] <Nub> hondje: but it doesn't fix my problem
[09:10] <Necrosan> what's the error?
[09:10] <satriani> tritium, I don't know how
[09:10] <Nub> doesn't see the card
[09:10] <jpfarias> can someone help me with locale?
[09:10] <jpfarias> every time I open a gtk2 app it says my locale is not supported and will use "C" instead
[09:10] <hondje> Nub: Did you load the module with insmod?
[09:10] <Nub> hondje: no
[09:10] <popegg> $locale -a
[09:10] <hondje> oh, try that
[09:10] <anto9us> mpq: look here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/25/2005/02/3/291836
[09:10] <jpfarias> same happens when I run any perl script
[09:10] <satriani> tritium, I followed the second method
[09:10] <Nub> hondje: ... how?
[09:11] <fred_> i cant find mplayer package, which repository is it in? > anyone?
[09:11] <mattlins> tritum: I still get fakeroot command not found.  I successfully downloaded the package like you said.
[09:11] <hondje> Nub: There's some other command, I'm sure one of the smarties here will correct me, but just insmod <modulename> 'should' work
[09:11] <Chambers`> LinuxJones, still the same problem, BUT if I browse to the folder with the song it plays fine
[09:11] <fred_> modprobe
[09:11] <tritium> satriani, use dpkg --purge alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.0.8-4ubuntu4+10.00.Custom_i386.deb
[09:11] <Nub> i did modprobe
[09:11] <Chambers`> any ideas?
[09:11] <Fator_Dee> abood: well, check that your policies are right, beyond that I have no idea, sorry :-\
[09:11] <Nub> modprobe tulip
[09:11] <hondje> fred_: Thanks, that's the one :D
[09:11] <Nub> but it didn't do anything
[09:11] <hondje> Hrm
[09:12] <hondje> Does modprobe look at /lib/modules first?
[09:12] <tritium> satriani, actually, don't give the whole filename.  Just the package name.
[09:12] <hondje> maybe it's looking at the original tulip
[09:12] <LinuxJones> Chambers`, you using rhythmbox ?
[09:12] <abood> Fator_Dee, they r right, but i think that firestarter is still bugy
[09:12] <Nub> how would i change that?
[09:12] <Chambers`> yeah
[09:12] <satriani> tritium, what is the package name ?
[09:12] <Necrosan> Nub: if modprobe isnt working, no one can help you.
[09:12] <hondje> Nub: Yeah, Necrosan is probably right
[09:12] <Nub> Necrosan: well it just throws another prompt at me
[09:12] <abood> guys, does any one has an experince with firestarter, im trying to add polices and it dosent appear :( ?any solution or idea can help plz :)
[09:12] <Necrosan> Except maybe the maintainer of the source modifications
[09:13] <tritium> satriani, dpkg -l | grep alsa-modules to list it
[09:13] <Nub> doesn't appear to do anything
[09:13] <hondje> The only thing I can think of is to replace the tulip in /lib/modules with yours
[09:13] <iamnow> rythmbox doesnt stream shoutcast media how come
[09:13] <hondje> Nub: lsmod to see if it's loaded?
[09:13] <Nub> it should be because modprobe sees it
[09:13] <Nub> if i type in some random bs then modprobe says that it's not a module
[09:13] <hondje> yeah, true
[09:14] <Nub> if i type in modprobe tulip it doesn't appear to do anything, just spits out another prompt
[09:14] <Tritis> that means success
[09:14] <hondje> that means success
[09:14] <Necrosan> like i said, nic's are cheap. get something known and supported. even IF you make that thing work, it will be buggy as hell.
[09:14] <Necrosan> man modprobe
[09:14] <hondje> Tritis: jinx :p
[09:14] <Nub> well then why the hell isn't it working
[09:14] <LinuxJones> Chambers`, that's a weird bug
[09:14] <Nub> if modprobe is working
[09:14] <hondje> Nub: so, does lsmod show it or not?
[09:14] <Nub> i dunno, i'm not on that hd
[09:15] <Nub> cause i needed to get on the net to u guys
[09:15] <hondje> oh, yeah
[09:15] <hondje> since you need eth0 first
[09:15] <tritium> satriani, did you find it?
[09:15] <Necrosan> okay
[09:15] <Necrosan> then the nic should work
[09:15] <Nub> Necrosan: exactly my problem
[09:15] <Nub> it SHOULD be working
[09:15] <hondje> if modprobe doesn't complain, and lsmod shows it, I can't see why it wouldn't work
[09:15] <Nub> exactly
[09:15] <Nub> that's why i'm stumped
[09:15] <Necrosan> BTW, you can IIRC modprobe ANY module.
[09:15] <Necrosan> Doesn't mean it will work though. :)
[09:15] <hondje> lspci to make sure it's not serious breakage going on?
[09:16] <mpq> I hate this computer
[09:16] <Nub> i'll add it to a list of things to check out
[09:16] <Nub> if not i have another question
[09:16] <Nub> what's a good NIC on the cheap you guys would recomend?
[09:16] <hondje> Nub: Those cheapo linksys thinks from walmart
[09:16] <Anubis> smeg crashes when trying to add an icon to the new menu entry
[09:16] <Necrosan> Nub: You don't understand me. I don't even have a tulip chipset NIC,  but %BI%B can modprobe it. Doesn't mean it's going to do anything unless the actual hardware to support it is there.
[09:16] <Necrosan> You're pretty much screwed if the system isnt seeing eth0.
[09:17] <hondje> $15, comes with free cable, runs perfectly
[09:17] <Chambers`> LinuxJones, so it's a bug?  Can't do anything about it? :(
[09:17] <Necrosan> s/seeing/assigning
[09:17] <hondje> not linksys, 'network everywhere'
[09:17] <Necrosan> linksys/dlink/network anywhere
[09:17] <Necrosan> whatever they're called.
[09:17] <hondje> Those rock, I bought a ton of them, cheap and work
[09:17] <Nub> i'll run over to best buy and grab something cheap not made by MS
[09:17] <hondje> realtek chipsets have always played well for me, too
[09:17] <LinuxJones> Chambers`, that's a really odd problem, I would file a bug and let the devs know about it
[09:17] <Necrosan> yep
[09:18] <satriani> tritium,  with grep it gives me: alsa-modules-2 1.0.8-4ubuntu4 ALSA driver modules, but when I try to purge it says that the module is not installed, why ?
[09:18] <Nub> thanks guys for ur help
[09:18] <Nub> i give up
[09:18] <Nub> ciao~
[09:18] <Anubis> this gnomemenu editing situation if the damn worst
[09:18] <Necrosan> Nub: Would be your best bet. :)
[09:18] <Chambers`> LinuxJones, ok thanks, how would I got about filing a bug report?
[09:18] <hondje> How often does a guy hack at tulip?
[09:18] <hondje> That thing has been stable for so long....
[09:19] <tritium> satriani, you have to specify the package name exactly.  You might use synaptic, if you find that easier.
[09:19] <nickrud> Anubis, I use smeg for menu editing
[09:19] <LinuxJones> Chambers`, Applications >> System Tools >>Bug Report Tool
[09:19] <nickrud> Anubis, well, I tested it, anyway :)
[09:19] <satriani> tritium, the module doesn't appear in synaptic
[09:20] <Chambers`> thanks again, you're quite the friendly helper :)
[09:20] <tritium> satriani, it has to
[09:20] <Anubis> nickrud, its broken....
[09:20] <satriani> tritium, so where come from those error messages at startup ?
[09:20] <tritium> satriani, if dpkg can find it, synaptic can too
[09:20] <Anubis> nickrud, it crashes when trying to add a icon to the entry
[09:20] <satriani> tritium, I try again
[09:21] <nickrud> hm
[09:22] <fred_> anyone?
[09:22] <hondje> fred_: enable multiverse?
[09:22] <nickrud> Anubis, did you get it's dependencies
[09:22] <fred_> right! it says in faq enable universe
[09:22] <Anubis> nickrud, I thought so, it starts and runs
[09:23] <hondje> fred_: universe and multiverse
[09:23] <nickrud> Anubis, I put it on, but backed out the changes later to keep a reasonably clean system
[09:23] <nickrud> Anubis, so I can't test it anymore
[09:24] <fred_> thanks hondje , got it
[09:24] <satriani> tritium, I uninstalled alsa module with synaptic, I go to reboot ...stay tuned
[09:24] <hondje> fred_: good deal :)
[09:24] <amonkey> how can i figure out the pyhsical drive number of a drive is?
[09:25] <hondje> amonkey: what do you mean?
[09:25] <hondje> Like hdb5, etc?
[09:26] <anto9us> amonkey: sudo fdisk -l
[09:26] <Anubis> nickrud, when I run it from CLI it works!
[09:26] <amonkey> hondje, i'm trying to install grub and i need to know what it's hdx,y number is
[09:26] <jpfarias> are there any plans on migrating to gcc 4.0?
[09:26] <amonkey> anto9us, i'll try that
[09:26] <hondje> amonkey: oh, then anto9us's idea is good, fdisk -l
[09:27] <Hoxzer> HAHAHAHAH KUOLKAA HOMOT
[09:27] <hondje> Or, if it's mounted just type mount and see what it corresponds to
[09:28] <hondje> what was the url to the ubuntu handbook?
[09:28] <nickrud> Anubis, heh, that's probably why I didn't see an error, and why I don't need a menu editor. Alt F2 is my friend :)
[09:28] <mattlins> tritium: I got fakeroot to work and everything went great until it got to the Extracting...   Then I got ---> ./install.sfx.9345: error while loading shared libraries: libfakeroot.so.0: cann ot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:28] <mattlins> Done.
[09:28] <abood> did any body tried IPcop firewall ?
[09:29] <amonkey> hondje anto9us: fdisk -l doesn't show anything, i'm running it from the shell in the ubuntu install disk
[09:29] <hondje> oh, you're in the install
[09:29] <anto9us> amonkey: sudo
[09:29] <hondje> damn that sudo :)
[09:29] <amonkey> sudo command not found
[09:29] <shane> i am totaly in love with ubuntu ^_^
[09:29] <bungle> does anyone know any good irc-client that is much like mIRC with nbs-irc for example?
[09:29] <hondje> amonkey: are you putting it on your master hdd?
[09:29] <shane> i'm gonna merry it ^_^
[09:29] <dr_willis> shane,  why dont you marry it then. :P
[09:29] <hondje> if so, odds are that you want /dev/hda1
[09:29] <dr_willis> Lol
[09:29] <shane> lol
[09:30] <hondje> if so, odds are that you want /dev/hdb1 if you're using a second drive for ubuntu
[09:30] <Seveas> bungle, xchat
[09:30] <hondje> bungle: xchat
[09:30] <caonex> HEY'
[09:30] <caonex> HEY
[09:30] <satriani> tritium, it seems to be completely uninstalled
[09:30] <caonex> OYE
[09:30] <amonkey> hondje: the problem was that originally ubuntu installed grub on a storage hd, not my ubuntu hd. i removed the storage drive and now i need to put grub on my ubuntu drive
[09:30] <Chambers`> xchat is great
[09:30] <caonex> QUE VAUNA ES ESTA?
[09:30] <shane> brb
[09:30] <hondje> amonkey: oh, that's rough
[09:30] <Seveas> caonex, please don't shout and please stick to english
[09:31] <caonex> soory
[09:31] <Chambers`> hey guys, whats a good mp3 id tag renamer program?
[09:31] <nobile> caoex, andate a #ubuntu-es
[09:31] <caonex> that wasn't me
[09:31] <satriani> tritium, so now how can I set-up my intel hda card ?
[09:31] <nobile> alli hablan espaol
[09:31] <amonkey> hondje: any ideas?
[09:31] <hondje> amonkey: doesn't the installer show you during partitioning where /boot is?
[09:31] <amonkey> let me check
[09:31] <hondje> I have only linux on this, and /boot isn't mounted seperately...
[09:31] <bungle> maybe i should ask if anyone know how to auto-auth and auto-join on x-chat?
[09:31] <nobile> bungle
[09:31] <nobile> in the servers part
[09:31] <hondje> so it's on my / partition, which is hda1 in my case, and in most other cases
[09:32] <Seveas> bungle, that's easy
[09:32] <nobile> there's a line that says server command or osmething like that
[09:32] <Seveas> bungle, see the server options
[09:32] <hondje> amonkey: If you have windows on your master hdd, and ubuntu on your slave, then the odds are that you'll have /boot on /dev/hdb1
[09:33] <Chambers`> can anyone help me out with a good mp3 file name id tag editor?  One that can get id's from filename and vice versa?  And can do many mp3's at once?
[09:34] <amonkey> hondje: i don't have windows at all, there are two storage drives on a pci ide card, and the main drive is on sata, comes up as a scusi device
[09:34] <PaloDeQueso> I can't seem to get azureus to start, here are my errors, can someone look at them? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/emJ4js95.html
[09:34] <hondje> amonkey: oh, that's funky...did the partitioner give you a clue at all?
[09:34] <amonkey> hondje: in the ubuntu installer, the sata drive comes up as (0,0,0), with an ext3 partition and a swap partition. no boot partition (is there supposed to be one?)
[09:34] <tritium> mattlins, satriani: sorry, I was away for a bit...
[09:34] <des> tritium: i have added new line to repositories  to install new amule v. 2, but because there is already an amule from older repositoree i dont see any new amule only old entry. how i remove that old amule entry so i could install new amule ?
[09:35] <hondje> amonkey: unless you make a boot partition, it boots off your root paritition
[09:35] <satriani> tritium, don't warry
[09:35] <amonkey> hondje: root being the ext3 partition?
[09:35] <tritium> des, which repository did you add?
[09:35] <hondje> amonkey: yeah, the first one on your hdd
[09:35] <Anubis> jesus
[09:35] <tritium> des, you can't remove the old entry.  It's in the repos.
[09:35] <Anubis> this smeg shit is going ot give me an brain clot
[09:35] <satriani> tritium, ..and forgive my bad english
[09:36] <amonkey> hondje: so the drive number is 0? all the install says is that it's (0,0,0) (sda)
[09:36] <Anubis> I thought I could delete entries
[09:36] <tritium> satriani, ;)  no worries.  So are things working now?
[09:36] <Anubis> I went through this shit a month ago
[09:36] <Anubis> thats why I got it
[09:36] <Anubis> to delete duplicates
[09:36] <Anubis> but I see no delete option
[09:36] <Anubis> again
[09:36] <tritium> mattlins, did it produce a .deb for you?
[09:36] <satriani> tritium, no.. I'm at the starting point...what can I do ?
[09:37] <des> tritiumi just added those line in sources.list deb http://www.vollstreckernet.de/debian/ testing amule
[09:37] <des> deb http://www.vollstreckernet.de/debian/ testing wx like said in amule faq
[09:37] <shane> anyone know the command to ket kubuntu?
[09:37] <Anubis> nm
[09:37] <hondje> amonkey: I don't know the grub syntax
[09:37] <nickrud> Anubis, a new release is in the works, but you can look in /usr/share/applications for duplicates
[09:37] <Anubis> I see
[09:37] <hondje> I used lilo for years, then debian added 'update-grub'
[09:37] <mattlins> tritium: how do I verify this?
[09:37] <hondje> so I let the voodoo of apt-get do my work
[09:37] <dr_willis> shane,  you mean to GET the kubuntu stuff installed on a ubuntu install?
[09:37] <tritium> des, I have not read the amule faq.  Just install the version available in that repo.  You can't delete the other one.
[09:37] <shane> yes
[09:38] <shane> dr_willis yes
[09:38] <dr_willis> shane,  its like the #1 thing mentioned on the Kubuntu homepage :P
[09:38] <tritium> mattlins, it would be in the directory in which you ran the command
[09:38] <shane> lol
[09:38] <shane> i haven't seen the homepage lol
[09:38] <DaBlade> Hello
[09:38] <shane> can you give me the link to it
[09:38] <DaBlade> How do I see what my glibc version is?
[09:38] <mattlins> tritium: no .deb
[09:38] <bungle> anyone want to explain how to auto-auth and auto-join in x-chat? :).. can't find it in serveroptions
[09:38] <tritium> shane, also, there's a #kubuntu channel
[09:38] <dr_willis> shane,  gesh man.. cant use google http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php? :P
[09:39] <tritium> mattlins, sounds like something went wrong.  Try it again.
[09:39] <DaBlade> How do I see what my glibc version is?
[09:39] <shane> sorry they wheren't answering lol
[09:39] <dug> shane: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop  endostory
[09:39] <tritium> satriani, not sure what to tell you
[09:39] <anto9us> DaBlade: locate glibc might give you a clue
[09:39] <shane> lol thanks
[09:39] <hondje> bungle: pick your server, click edit
[09:39] <DaBlade> ok
[09:39] <mattlins> tritium: here is what I am typing, just to verify : fakeroot make-jpkg /home/mattlins/java/j2sdk-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin
[09:40] <mobique> how long should i expect to wait after ordering ubuntu cd's?
[09:40] <cyphase> *sigh* why do all the studies that compare windows and linux use redhat?
[09:40] <tritium> mattlins, check in your java dir for a .deb too.
[09:40] <Anubis> The following packages have been kept back:
[09:40] <Anubis>   libavcodeccvs libpostproc0 libxvidcore4 mplayer-k6
[09:40] <Anubis> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
[09:40] <Anubis> why?
[09:40] <steve__> hey
[09:40] <steve__> anyone know how i can see my NTFS files with unbuntu?
[09:40] <steve__> i mounted the drive
[09:40] <Seveas> Anubis, don't use marillat anymore
[09:41] <Anubis> do I have too many repos?
[09:41] <steve__> but it wont let me access it
[09:41] <Anubis> or conflicting repos?
[09:41] <Anubis> or the wrong repos?
[09:41] <shane> thanx for your help guys (you to tritium) ^_^
[09:41] <Jormundgand> How do I tell if my system can handle dropshadows? Fading works well and is awesome, I'm wondering if my card can handle shadows.
[09:41] <hondje> steve__: sudo chown <your user> /path/to/mnt maybe
[09:41] <Anubis> I  have marilliat and ubuntu backports
[09:41] <tritium> shane, :)
[09:41] <dug> steve__: did you try menu places -> / -> /media/windows or whever
[09:41] <mattlins> tritium: everything goes great.  I see the java agreement and everything and the when it gets to extracting.... I get the error I posted previously.  Then it aborts and removes the temp directory
[09:42] <shane> well see ya all latez
[09:42] <hondje> wow, kick ass
[09:42] <satriani> tritium,  few days ago I tried the first method explained at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HdaIntelSoundHowto..sound worked but in the gnome mixer there were two devices: Intel hda and OSS, only the last working. Besides, at startup of the system the mixer was always off. Do you know why two devices and why the mixer was always off at startup ?
[09:42] <shane> peace
[09:42] <mattlins> tritium: Extracting...
[09:42] <mattlins> ./install.sfx.9787: error while loading shared libraries: libfakeroot.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:42] <mattlins> Done.
[09:42] <hondje> When the camera stops sending pics, it automagically umounts it
[09:42] <hondje> is that gnome or ubuntu?
[09:42] <dug> Jormundgand, just try it out and see
[09:42] <retiarius> how do i change the embedded player for rm from mplayer to realplayer?
[09:42] <tritium> mattis, is fakeroot installed for sure?  (apt-cache policy fakeroot)
[09:43] <dug> speaking of mounting windows partition, mine mounts on boot, but how do i add icon for it on desktop?
[09:43] <amonkey> hondje: i think the guide was written for a different version of the ubuntu install disk because i follow it exactly and it says that i don't have certain commands
[09:43] <amonkey> like grub-instlal
[09:43] <tritium> satriani, sorry, no idea
[09:43] <niklin> Hello there
[09:43] <hondje> dug: click on your desktop
[09:43] <hondje> pick 'create launcher'
[09:43] <mattlins> tritium : 1.2.2 is installed yes
[09:43] <tritium> mattlins, that's bizarre
[09:44] <dug> hondje, thanks
[09:44] <satriani> few days ago I tried the first method explained at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HdaIntelSoundHowto..sound worked but in the gnome mixer there were two devices: Intel hda and OSS, only the last working. Besides, at startup of the system the mixer was always off. Do you know why two devices and why the mixer was always off at startup ?
[09:44] <hondje> dug: you're welcome
[09:44] <hondje> dug: I'd do something for command like 'nautilius --no-desktop /home/mntpoint/you/pick'
[09:44] <nuOpus> hello
[09:45] <Chambers`> where can I set Ubuntu to use xmms to play all .mp3 files instead of rhythmbox?
[09:45] <hondje> Chambers`: system -> preferences -> preferred applications I think
[09:45] <niklin> I was wondering if it is possible to assign two keys to a funtion, fx both left and right "windows"-buttons to the action "show menu" (in Gnome, that is)
[09:45] <LinuxJones> Chambers`, right click an mp3 file and select open with other application then goto /usr/bin/xmms
[09:45] <nuOpus> ya
[09:45] <hondje> oh, nope, I was wrong
[09:45] <dweazle> well .. i guess i should have read the topic of this channel, because i just apt-get-upgraded my breezy install to unusable state :)
[09:45] <nuOpus> preferred applications doesnt have anything with mp3
[09:46] <nuOpus> lol
[09:46] <Chambers`> LinuxJones, but it doesn't set it to open mp3's with xmms from that point on, only that 1 time
[09:46] <nuOpus> if you want updated applications just use the ubuntu backports project
[09:46] <Chambers`> i want to make it the default mp3 player
[09:46] <Chambers`> it keeps trying to use totem
[09:47] <jaysin> Hey guys!
[09:47] <tritium> nuOpus, if you don't want to be able to easily upgrade to the next release, use backports
[09:47] <nickrud> Chambers`, right click an mp3, and select properties open with
[09:48] <nuOpus> tritium: Okay ... well if you want a more stable system and hate the ubuntu policy of not upgrading software until next release ... then use backports
[09:48] <jaysin> does anyone know if i can paly the sims 2 in ubuntu?
[09:48] <Fator_Dee> how could I find out in console how many files are there in the directory I'm on right now?
[09:48] <Chambers`> nickrud, perfect!  That did it
[09:48] <nuOpus> still firefox 1.02 for god sake
[09:48] <Chambers`> very easy actually :)
[09:48] <tritium> nuOpus, with security fixes from 1.03
[09:48] <nuOpus> will do nothing when 1.1 comes out with tons of fixes
[09:48] <nickrud> Chambers`, yeah, just kinda hidden :)
[09:48] <nuOpus> they never get it all
[09:48] <niklin> I have a bunch of text files made on an old Mandrake installation - and I can't open a single one of them without changing the filename to things like *.txt !!
[09:49] <niklin> Can i change that?
[09:49] <tritium> nuOpus, backports do _not_ make hoary more stable.
[09:49] <g14> Fator_Dee, ls -al | wc -l
[09:49] <Chambers`> nickrud, I actually like that way much better than the way kde handles it
[09:49] <nuOpus> yes, but they get you newer software
[09:49] <Fator_Dee> g14: thanks
[09:49] <Chambers`> yay :)
[09:49] <tritium> nuOpus, but you just claimed that they do
[09:49] <des> tritium: what 'Ign from apt-get update' means ?
[09:49] <shane> in system monitor in ubuntu the used swap says nan % whats that mean?
[09:49] <nuOpus> There are lots of users who stay away from ubuntu just because its debian and you never get latest software
[09:49] <niklin> No a Number
[09:50] <satriani> does someone know how to configure properly an Intel high definition audio sound card ?
[09:50] <nuOpus> I didnt say stable ... I said "more stable" ... as in "more stable" than switching to the next development release
[09:50] <bobi> Hi
[09:50] <shane> shit that means i forgot to make a swap file yes?
[09:50] <ubuntu> hey how long does it take to get the free ubuntu cds if you ordered them from their website
[09:50] <tritium> nuOpus, there is a release every 6 months.  It's hardly outdated in between releases
[09:50] <dr_willis> shane,  you mean a swap partition? - you can always add a swap 'file' easially enough.
[09:50] <hondje> no one thinks ubuntu is too dated :)
[09:50] <Jormundgand> Okay, the splash screen displays over grey, then fades away and the system dies.
[09:51] <shane> is there a how to?
[09:51] <nickrud> nuOpus, if you really want a 'stable' unstable, use debians, and mix a bit of experimental,
[09:51] <teknoprep> is there an apt-get for jre
[09:51] <nuOpus> well that is why the ubuntu backports project exists ... for those of us who want newer software. Why against it?
[09:51] <Jormundgand> How do I change what loads with X in the terminal? I can't access the Preferences > Sessions window...
[09:51] <Seveas> nuOpus, backports suck
[09:51] <Seveas> they break things
[09:51] <satriani> please help me
[09:51] <tritium> nuOpus, as I mentioned.  They're unofficial, and they interfere with clean upgrades to new releases
[09:52] <shane> is there a how to to make a swap file?
[09:52] <Anubis> I've been a student of linux for a while
[09:52] <ubuntu> how long does it take for the free cds to get to you if you ordered themf rom the site
[09:52] <Anubis> but I still don't know this
[09:52] <des> tritium: what Ign means when i do apt-get update command ?
[09:52] <Anubis> after one installs from source
[09:52] <nickrud> ubuntu, a month or so
[09:52] <Anubis> is there a say
[09:52] <ubuntu> wow that long
[09:52] <tritium> des, Ignored
[09:52] <Anubis> make uninstall?
[09:52] <hondje> Anubis: generally, yes
[09:52] <nuOpus> Other uses will switch to newest devel release just to get newer software. I simply suggested if you are one of those, backports are more stable way to get what you want
[09:52] <dr_willis> shane,  yes there is.. i forget how (google for swap howto perhaps)  :P but how could you manag4e to install ubuntu without making a swap partition?
[09:52] <nuOpus> users
[09:52] <des> tritium:why package could be ingored ?
[09:52] <hondje> at least if the packager used automake....but if they did it by hand, there's sometimes not an uninstall option, Anubis
[09:53] <shane> i did a custom install using software raid 1
[09:53] <hondje> Of course, that assumes you kept the dir with all the stuff, and didn't rm -rf it :)
[09:53] <tritium> des, which package?
[09:53] <anathema> even with automake sometimes no install option
[09:53] <shane> and forgot to make a swap file lol
[09:53] <hondje> shane: Do you have free hdd space?
[09:53] <shane> or partition i should say
[09:53] <hondje> If so, install gparted and make one :)
[09:53] <dr_willis> shane,  its normally a swap PARTITION. :P a swap file can also be used.
[09:53] <Anubis> hondje, ahhh so then there is just stuff floating around on my PC if thats the case?
[09:53] <shane> yes
[09:53] <forester> Is there a document that details why ubuntu is needed and/or was created?
[09:53] <hondje> yep
[09:54] <hondje> Anubis: That's one reason slack is a lot of work to maintain
[09:54] <Anubis> :(
[09:54] <shane> i have to gig to use but theres a reason why
[09:54] <nickrud> big time
[09:54] <des> tritium: Amule
[09:54] <Jormundgand> How do I change what programs load when I load X? I added drop shadows and need to change it, but can't access the Sessions window.
[09:54] <shane> i am raiding a 30 gig hd and a 40 gig hd
[09:54] <shane> so they both raid as a 30 gig hd
[09:54] <dr_willis> Jormundgand,  you mean when you start up gnome?
[09:54] <shane> i don't think i can touch the other 10 gigs
[09:54] <Jormundgand> dr_willis: Yes.
[09:54] <tidalwav1> hi all
[09:54] <des> tritium: could it be ignore if it contains a same name with another program that already listed in the package manager ?
[09:55] <tidalwav1> hopefully I won't get smacked for asking this, but...
[09:55] <dr_willis> Jormundgand,  check the .gnome* config dirs I think the session files are there..
[09:55] <tidalwav1> I'm dual booting between Windows and Ubuntu
[09:55] <hondje> Jormundgand: ssystem -> preferences -> sessions
[09:55] <tritium> des, Ign is normal.  No need to worry.
[09:55] <shane> smak lol
[09:55] <niklin> Isn't Ubuntu supposed to mount USB discs automatically? my installation doesn't, even though it is enabled in the preferences (removeable discs and medias)!
[09:55] <tidalwav1> does anyone know a DOS command to get the Windows bootloader to boot directly into Ubuntu on restart, bypassing the menu?
[09:55] <anathema> mien does
[09:55] <fred_> anyone know how to configure power settings please?
[09:55] <dr_willis> niklin,  mine does.
[09:55] <tidalwav1> shane, I heard that. ;)
[09:55] <nuOpus> tidalwav1: There is no such DOS command
[09:56] <shane> lol
[09:56] <tidalwav1> nu0: you're sure?
[09:56] <nuOpus> todalwav1: 100% sure
[09:56] <hondje> Jormundgand: is that what you wanted?
[09:56] <tritium> tidalwav1, not dos, but you can use "sudo grub-reboot <entry>"
[09:56] <shane> creating a swap partition @ this point wont work will it? i'll have to create a swap file?
[09:56] <Jormundgand> hondje: Would be nice if GNOME loaded at all.
[09:56] <des> tritium: but i cant find the files from this source in package manager , how that could be ?
[09:56] <tritium> tidalwav1, but you have to do that from within linux, not DOS
[09:56] <tidalwav1> tritium, I can't: my compy uses the Windows bootloader, which boots GRUB.
[09:56] <hondje> Jormundgand: oh, that does change things.  Are you using KDE or ?
[09:56] <nuOpus> tidalwav1: you give too much credit to DOS I think .... its a very BASIC command structrure
[09:56] <satriani> a question: when I install the package linux-686, can I remove the old linux-386 ?
[09:56] <hondje> Or did I just misread the question
[09:56] <Jormundgand> hondje: I got it anyway.
[09:56] <hondje> ok
[09:56] <shane> i keep runing outta memory lol
[09:56] <tidalwav1> nu0, I got the pun. ;)
[09:57] <Seveas> satriani, yes
[09:57] <shane> love the error
[09:57] <tidalwav1> nu0: DOS does other things on reboot, such as chkdsk
[09:57] <tritium> des, sounds like something is wrong with the repository, or your entry in sources.list
[09:57] <tidalwav1> idk, it would be convenient. :P
[09:57] <tidalwav1> nu0: how are you so confident, did you try do do something like that yourself?
[09:57] <nuOpus> todalwav1: oh ... and one more advanced thing DOS can do ... it can echo text ... woooooo
[09:57] <tritium> satriani, yes
[09:57] <tidalwav1> nu0: I'm not saying I like DOS :P
[09:58] <nuOpus> tidalwav1: I have been using it since the early BBS days with 4-DOS and DR-DOS
[09:58] <tritium> satriani, be sure to reboot into your new kernel, and make sure it works, before removing the old one.
[09:58] <satriani> tritium,  I have to remove only linux-386 or also restriced modules and headers ?
[09:58] <nuOpus> tidalwav1: you can google for it though ...
[09:58] <tidalwav1> nu0: I have been :P
[09:58] <nuOpus> tidalwav1: I doubt you will find anything
[09:58] <satriani> tritium,  the new kernel works perfectly
[09:58] <L7> can you get x-chat to minimize to tray?
[09:59] <des> tritium: hmm :| deb http://www.vollstreckernet.de/debian/ testing amule wx ; deb-src http://www.vollstreckernet.de/debian/ testing amule those 2 lines seems like wrong ??
[09:59] <tritium> satriani, you dont _have_ to do anything.  But if you want to, remove all the -386-related packages
[09:59] <flodine> a guys how do i make the font smaller on aterm?
[09:59] <nickrud> L7, not yet
[09:59] <satriani> tritium, K
[09:59] <L7> ok
[09:59] <tidalwav1> nu0: for most support requests I send people to http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ ;)
[09:59] <tritium> des, I suggest you check the faq you were referring to
[09:59] <nuOpus> lol
[10:00] <des> tritium: thx
[10:00] <nuOpus> tidalwav1: ya its frustrating when someone asks a question and you type exact thing in google to find its the FIRST item on google
[10:00] <tritium> des, or just manually download and install the .deb, if it's a one-time thing
[10:00] <nuOpus> tidalwav1: So its just a reboot you want to do from DOS?
[10:01] <flodine> can anyone help
[10:01] <flodine> just need smaller fonts in aterm
[10:01] <nuOpus> there is no command that comes with DOS ... but you can use debug to tell your PC to reboot
[10:01] <tidalwav1> nu0: well...say I'm running windows. I want to be able to issue/type/run some kind of command/program that would automatically boot a given entry in boot.ini on restart, rather than displaying the menu.
[10:02] <nuOpus> hmmmm
[10:02] <tidalwav1> nu0: the whole point is that it's a one-time command; normally I want the menu to be shown
[10:02] <fred_> anyone? ow to configure power management?
[10:02] <tidalwav1> fred_ what's the problem with power management
[10:02] <nuOpus> guess you could make a copy of the boot.ini to boot.org, then make a version of it that boots linux automagically
[10:02] <codecaine> hey anyone got spamassassin working with amavis-new?
[10:02] <dr_willis> codecaine,  No :P
[10:02] <des> tritium: there are tons of same 2.0 deb files how can i know which to download ??
[10:03] <codecaine> dr_willis: what's up :)
[10:03] <fred_> tidalwav1, when my laptop is idle for 10 minutes , i cannot resume it
[10:03] <nuOpus> then write a batch to copy the linux boot.ini over the original then do ECHO G=FFFF:0000 | DEBUG to reboot
[10:03] <dr_willis> codecaine,  chatting ahd helping :P
[10:03] <codecaine> i can't find documentation or forums on this thing man
[10:03] <tidalwav1> fred_: you mean as in suspend?
[10:03] <nuOpus> and in autoexec.bat have it copy boot.org back over boot.ini
[10:03] <nuOpus> so its normal again
[10:03] <fred_> i think thats what it must be doing. but i have to reboot to get back in
[10:03] <tidalwav1> nu0: that sounds painful.
[10:03] <tidalwav1> fred: you could try using APM. :P
[10:04] <nuOpus> tidalwav1: If I HAD to do it ... thats prob how I would do it .... since there is no standalone command for it
[10:04] <fred_> okay, but where can i look to change settings , ie suspend time, etc
[10:04] <nuOpus> the batch file would only be a couple of lines though
[10:04] <nuOpus> I usually stay away from DOS and Windows so I have no way to test it however
[10:05] <tritium> des, whichever version you were looking for.  That's not an official ubuntu repository.  You'll have to ask the maintainer, if you don't know which one to use.
[10:05] <nuOpus> and im not sure if ECHO G=FFFF:0000 | DEBUG will reboot in windows
[10:05] <tidalwav1> nu0: that's an idea...
[10:05] <protomobile> problem when logging out I donot have a choice of sessions, I only have a blue login screen
[10:05] <nuOpus> tidalwav1: You see what im talkinging about though?
[10:06] <tidalwav1> nu0: I do :)
[10:06] <linuxamoeba21> hey anyone know of a good pop3 notifier for the notification area
[10:06] <nuOpus> I do sort of same thing in Linux. I have an xorg.conf I use for the projector and one I use normally. I make xorg.conf.projector and xorg.conf.ati.
[10:06] <tidalwav1> mm hmm
[10:06] <ltuvis> quit
[10:07] <hondje> nuOpus: overhead projectors?
[10:07] <nuOpus> when I run the projector script all it does is copy xorg.conf.projector over the top of xorg.conf, and my xinit copies xorg.conf.ati back over xorg.conf when its done
[10:07] <nuOpus> ya
[10:07] <Chambers`> whats a good mp3 filename editor for ubuntu?
[10:07] <hondje> nuOpus: Awesome to know
[10:07] <Chambers`> id editor i mean
[10:07] <nickrud> Chambers`, easytag is powerful
[10:07] <Chambers`> ok thanks
[10:07] <nuOpus> that way I can run a "projector" session just one time and it goes back on exit
[10:07] <tidalwav1> nu0: dirty hack, but it works ;)
[10:08] <Jormundgand> Can I run a window with transparency X in one step using transset?
[10:08] <tidalwav1> nu0: now I just have to worry about not corrupting my autoexec :P
[10:08] <nuOpus> can even write a script that looks for a projector variable that is passed as a kernel boot entry and switch them when you go to the right grub entry
[10:08] <protomobile> problem when logging out I donot have a choice of sessions, I only have a blue login screen
[10:08] <des> tritium: ok, how i install deb file ?
[10:08] <hondje> nuOpus: That's pretty neat, I was pondering that problem the other day...if/how they would work w/ linux
[10:09] <hondje> des: dpkg -i filename.deb
[10:09] <tidalwav1> des: sudo dpkg -i nameofdeb.deb
[10:09] <tidalwav1> nvm, I was beaten
[10:09] <tidalwav1> lol
[10:09] <hondje> I forgot the sudo though :)
[10:09] <des> tritium: what you mean name of deb ? i
[10:09] <hondje> years of doing stuff one way are biting me in the ass with constant sudo
[10:09] <tidalwav1> des: the filename
[10:10] <tidalwav1> hondje: it's the ubuntu way of life. :P
[10:10] <numb> hi there... i've created this 3d map of my island, but how can i make the altitude... http://tinypic.com/5bofbn
[10:10] <nuOpus> hondje: Ya ... when I boot up I jave an Ubuntu - Home entry and Ubuntu - Work entry that way I get the right network settings for work or home depending on which I boot into
[10:10] <hondje> tidalwav1: drives me nuts :)
[10:10] <nuOpus> kind of like having a complete network profile loaded at bootup
[10:10] <nickrud> des, trittium's left
[10:10] <hondje> nuOpus: awesome
[10:10] <des> nickrud: didnt notice that thx
[10:10] <hondje> We have those projectors at school, and I'll probably be using one soon
[10:11] <protomobile> can ne one help?
[10:11] <nuOpus> well my problem is that the ATI drivers for some reason do not like displaying to monitor and projector at one time
[10:11] <Jormundgand> protomobile: Are you running gdm or kdm?
[10:11] <nuOpus> but if you are not using ATI drivers ... it will probably work fine with the default configuration when you installed ubuntu
[10:12] <protomobile> how do you find out?
[10:12] <L7> x-chat help.. I want to change my keybord to swedish and not enlish, anyone know how?
[10:12] <Jormundgand> protomobile: At bootup it should say either "Loading GNOME Display Manager" or "Loading K Display Manager".
[10:12] <retiarius_> i installed mplayer but i want realplayer to be the default for rm
[10:12] <retiarius_> how do i do that
[10:12] <^thehatsrule^> L7: #xchat and check your options
[10:13] <protomobile> I did not notice, is there a log
[10:13] <nuOpus> right click on rm file, go to properties then the open with tab
[10:13] <anto9us> protomobile: are you using gnome or kde?
[10:13] <Jormundgand> protomobile: Not to my knowledge. Is there just one entry box or two?
[10:13] <retiarius_> how about in firefox
[10:13] <nuOpus> you can then add reaplay to that and make sure its selected as default
[10:13] <Chambers`> hmm...how can I mount my other fat32 (rw) and ntfs (ro) partitions with Ubuntu?
[10:14] <protomobile> right now it looks like gnome, I want to use kde
[10:14] <nuOpus> your talking about the mplayer-plugin?
[10:14] <dug> protomobile: system->preferences->keyboard->layouts->add
[10:14] <nuOpus> errr mplayerplug-in?
[10:14] <dug> k7: system->preferences->keyboard->layouts->add
[10:14] <Jormundgand> protomobile: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:14] <dug> sorry, meant for k7, not protomobile
[10:15] <nuOpus> you can edit the /etc/mplayerplug-in.conf file and do enable-real=0
[10:15] <dug> L7, whatever
[10:15] <Latis-sleepz> I want to be able to use more than one soundsource.. I cannot use cedega since my soundcard is used by another application, any1 know how to solve it?
[10:15] <L7> L7 you mean? :)
[10:15] <L7> ah
[10:15] <L7> ha
[10:15] <[FiDO] > how do I request a package be added to synaptic for some reason there is no php5 package available for ubuntu
[10:15] <protomobile> already did the install kubuntu-destop
[10:15] <dug> think i'll make my x-chat window taller :)
[10:15] <Jormundgand> [FiDo: Request it for the backports.
[10:16] <nuOpus> Latis-sleepz: I use the commercial oss instead of the default sound from linux kernel. It does a great job handling more than one sound from multiple apps at once.
[10:16] <[FiDO] > what do you mean
[10:16] <[FiDO] > where do I do that
[10:16] <Latis-sleepz> nuOpus, can you guide me through it?
[10:16] <Jormundgand> [FiDO] : Forums.
[10:16] <[FiDO] > ok cool
[10:16] <nuOpus> latis-sleepz: not to mention better sound and no sound lag when playing DVD's through ESD
[10:17] <nuOpus> Latis-sleepz: Downside to oss is that it is commercial, although they let you use it for personal use
[10:17] <dug> FiD0: google for ubuntu php5
[10:17] <Latis-sleepz> nuOpus, I used System->Mediachooser->ESD
[10:17] <Latis-sleepz> is that correct?
[10:18] <nuOpus> yes
[10:18] <Latis-sleepz> no need to restart anything?
[10:18] <nuOpus> hold
[10:18] <protomobile> Jorundgand:already did the install kubuntu-destop
[10:18] <nickrud> Latis-sleepz, but a cheap solution is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats step three
[10:18] <[Piratez] > where would I find info on the timeline for releases or is there a set time line?
[10:19] <Fator_Dee> [Piratez] : every 6 months
[10:19] <xe||> 5.04 -> april (4) of 2005
[10:20] <Jormundgand> protomobile: Hmm. Did it ask you which window manager to use?
[10:20] <[FiDO] > thanks I found directions on how to install it
[10:20] <protomobile> no
[10:21] <Jormundgand> protomobile: You're probably using kdm then. There should be options in the bottom left corner.
[10:21] <nuOpus> go to http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063&highlight=sound+time
[10:21] <nuOpus> it is a howto explaining how to play more than one sound at a time in esd and alsa
[10:22] <protomobile> can't see anything unless it is off the screen
[10:22] <nuOpus> Either that ... or go to www.opensound.org and install that
[10:22] <nuOpus> eerrrrr opensound.com
[10:23] <nickrud> nuOpus, I never realized dmix was in -alsa, thanks
[10:23] <diana_> hello anyone
[10:23] <diana_> hello
[10:24] <protomobile> I looked at the system logs and found only KDM
[10:24] <nuOpus> nickrud: Ya .... and if you dont mind commercial software ... oss give you great sound in Linux and handles more than one app at once. I actually have 3 sound channels that work now including bass and trebble .. things I didnt get from kernel sound modules
[10:25] <nuOpus> so I have full stereo and surround
[10:26] <nickrud> nuOpus, i had had to buy an oss driver a long time ago for a flaky card, i didn't know they were still in business :)
[10:26] <manlina> i have slowness here after recent update..either with gnome or say, xfce..I dont see something on forums but I dont think answer yet so I thought i'd ask here ..anyone know fix for this yet ?? ;-))thx <<
[10:26] <nuOpus> ya
[10:26] <Latis-sleepz> nuOpus, it didnt help me :(
[10:26] <nuOpus> nickrud: Ya ... sound works without the commercial oss, but audio is crappy. I got it for higher quality audio
[10:27] <hondje> there are commerical OSS drivers? :O Whod'a thunk?
[10:27] <nuOpus> all of my mp3 music was "tinny"
[10:27] <awb4422> i'm trying to set up evolution to connect to a .ics file i have hosted on my webserver, but it seems that evolution is only writing when I'm free or busy, not what the event is. Is there a way to change this?
[10:27] <laosiano> is there a way to allow new logins when the screen is locked for a particular session??
[10:27] <nickrud> nuOpus, heh, when I get a worthwhile sound system, I'll consider it
[10:27] <nuOpus> lol
[10:28] <hor> Can i create a vnc session with vncserver without having an X server running?
[10:28] <Chambers`> i too would like to know that
[10:28] <svmaris> hor: that's a bit weird. what would the vncserver be 'serving' then?
[10:29] <Latis-sleepz> nuOpus, ESD didnt solve my problem. I changed the file due to the page aswell
[10:29] <apsuva> how to x 4.3 update?
[10:29] <laosiano> the problem is that when i have 2 sessions running and i close the second, it asks for the password for the first session. is there a way to allow logins when the screen is locked?
[10:29] <anto9us> hor: yes
[10:29] <Chambers`> actually, is there a way to set it up so if I reboot my machine remotely, vncserver will start upon system start rather than me logging at the pc first?
[10:29] <nickrud> apsuva, that would be a downgrade :)
[10:30] <nuOpus> Latis-sleepz: I dont know then .... cedega wont start because the sound is busy
[10:30] <Latis-sleepz> nuOpus, cedega starts, but not any games
[10:30] <anto9us> svmaris: vnc under linux isn't the same as vnc under windows, I think you're in mind of x0rfbserver
[10:30] <apsuva> nickrud, i am ati 9600xt driver installed
[10:31] <nickrud> apsuva, are you on warty or hoary?
[10:31] <hor> svmaris: but if anto9us says it works, everything seems to be fine :). When i start X i want to have a vnc session with Gnome started instead of Gnome itself
[10:31] <apsuva> hoary
[10:31] <anto9us> hor: no need to start x at all
[10:31] <Chambers`> hor, so you're trying to set up a sort of terminal?
[10:32] <nickrud> hoary uses X.org, which is the replacement for xfree86 4.3, so I'm not sure what you want
[10:32] <apsuva> nickrud,  screen size not changable
[10:32] <nuOpus> vnserver in Linux has to be different than vncserver in windows ... not because of the vnc software .. but because Linux is inherrantly multiuser and windows is not
[10:32] <nickrud> apsuva, less /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and look for the Section "Monitor"
[10:32] <nickrud> there should be a line there starting with Option HorizSync
[10:33] <svmaris> vncserver starts a new xserver by default, but doesn't Gnome have integrated 'Share Desktop'-functionality?
[10:33] <Latis-sleepz> nuOpus, I can only set oss and alsa in cedega :S
[10:33] <nuOpus> I think so
[10:33] <nuOpus> ive only used cedega a couple of times
[10:33] <crimsun> svmaris: yes, under Remote Desktop
[10:33] <Latis-sleepz> which one should I use?
[10:34] <hor> Chambers`: hm, no i want to work on my PC in a vnc session, because it's the only way to get the program 'xrandr' really working.
[10:34] <nuOpus> try both
[10:34] <Latis-sleepz> I cant seem to use either of them (due to the "test pipeline") in the multimedia chooser in ubuntu
[10:34] <crimsun> Latis-sleepz: how about esd output's test?
[10:34] <Ali_Baba> Hi my alsa is crashed,can someone help ?
[10:34] <svmaris> hor: you want to use X over VNC on the local machine? .. that sounds like the wrong answer to your problem
[10:34] <raptoid> hi
[10:34] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: need more info.
[10:35] <Latis-sleepz> crimsun, you mean in the "test pipeline"?
[10:35] <Latis-sleepz> cause that works just fine
[10:35] <nickrud> apsuva, was it there?
[10:35] <crimsun> Latis-sleepz: so what's the issue?
[10:35] <Ali_Baba> Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture' i get this on multimedia systems selector.
[10:35] <hor> When i use the 'Share Desktop' functionality, my mouse cursor isn't rotated when i use xrandr, because it's the mouse cursor of the original x session
[10:35] <Latis-sleepz> crimsun, I can only use one soundsource
[10:35] <raptoid> how can i pind source link to my source list ?
[10:35] <Ali_Baba> cant play anything also.
[10:35] <nekohayo> anyone doing gtk2 themes here?
[10:35] <Latis-sleepz> cedega complains that the soundcard is used by another application
[10:35] <raptoid> how can i pind source link to my source list ?
[10:36] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: open a Terminal, and type: pgrep esd
[10:36] <hor> svmaris: i know that it sounds strange, but i got it managed one year ago...sadly i can't remember how i got it working ;)
[10:36] <Latis-sleepz> esd: Esound sound daemon already running or stale UNIX socket
[10:36] <Latis-sleepz> /tmp/.esd/socket
[10:36] <Latis-sleepz> This socket already exists indicating esd is already running.
[10:36] <crimsun> Latis-sleepz: what is your default_options= line in /etc/esound/esd.conf?
[10:36] <anto9us> hor: you want to connect to an existing x session or an independant one?
[10:36] <Ali_Baba> 28593 this is what iget
[10:37] <hor> svmaris: ok then, what would you say would be the solution for using X over VNC on local machine?
[10:37] <Latis-sleepz> default_options=-terminate -nobeeps -as 2
[10:37] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: ok, and cat /proc/asound/cards?
[10:37] <Latis-sleepz> like that
[10:37] <crimsun> Latis-sleepz: did you log off and log back on after you edited /etc/esound/esd.conf?
[10:37] <hor> anto9us: to an independent
[10:37] <Latis-sleepz> crimsun, nopes
[10:37] <Latis-sleepz> should I restart the computer for safety?
[10:37] <Ali_Baba> 0 [nForce2        ] : NFORCE - NVidia nForce2
[10:37] <Ali_Baba>                      NVidia nForce2 with ALC650F at 0xe6002000, irq 21
[10:37] <svmaris> hor: don't do it. Why do you want to do that?
[10:38] <crimsun> Latis-sleepz: you need to do that so the default_options= line will take effect
[10:38] <Latis-sleepz> crimsun, ok
[10:38] <anto9us> hor: just run vncserver and make a note of the port then vnclient :port
[10:38] <Ali_Baba> it worked fine earlier.
[10:38] <Latis-sleepz> brb
[10:38] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: in Multimedia Systems Selector, what is the output sink set to?
[10:38] <anto9us> s/vnclient/vncviewer
[10:38] <hor> svmaris: because my mouse cursor won't be rotated else when i "rotate the screen" with xrandr
[10:39] <hondje> where's the ubuntu handbook url?
[10:39] <apsuva> how to /etc/X11/xorg.conf edit?
[10:39] <Ali_Baba> its alsa,but that get an error.
[10:39] <apsuva> sudo gpedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[10:39] <hondje> apsuva: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:39] <svmaris> hor: I think I just don't understand what you're trying to achieve here.
[10:39] <xe||> nah, vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf :-)
[10:39] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: that's because esd is already running and has grabbed alsa's oss emulation, which prevents the alsa pipeline from working
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> hondje: do you mean www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[10:40] <PaNoRaMiC> ne1 know where I can find an iso of Ubuntu on FTP? I've had lots of troubles downloading linux distros from the web not passing the md5sum?
[10:40] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: what happens when you change the output sink to esd and run the test again?
[10:40] <hondje> Fator_Dee: That's the one, thanks man
[10:40] <L7> is there any good direct connect version for ubuntu? ;o
[10:40] <apsuva> thanks hondje
[10:40] <nickrud> apsuva, I assume there as now HorizSync line?
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> hondje: np
[10:40] <nickrud> *no
[10:40] <Ali_Baba> thats fine,i tried that.
[10:40] <crimsun> PaNoRaMiC: choose one from any mirror
[10:40] <apsuva> one minute nickrud
[10:40] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: then there's no problem at all with alsa
[10:40] <hor> svmaris: no problem. I think my english is also too bad for explaining my intention
[10:40] <amonkey> when i boot up a get a ton of QM_MODULES: Function not implemented errors, x won't start and i have no network interfaces\
[10:41] <spiral> does anyone here have problems with ooo when clicking on a menu ?
[10:41] <spiral> (breezy maybe) ?
[10:41] <crimsun> amonkey: did you attempt to compile your own kernel [modules] ?
[10:41] <Ali_Baba> earlier i had to kill esd to get sound working.
[10:41] <crimsun> spiral: most people can't even log in to breezy let alone start X Window System
[10:41] <Ali_Baba> after that i have used alsa.
[10:41] <amonkey> crimsun: no i attempted to install grub with my ubuntu install disk and i think it wrote the base system files when i didn't wnat it too
[10:42] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: in the System>Preferences>Sound menu, is the "Enable sound server start up" option checked?
[10:42] <apsuva> 	HorizSync	28-49
[10:42] <apsuva> nickrud, 	HorizSync	28-49
[10:42] <PaNoRaMiC> crimson: do ya know of a list of mirrors for it where at least one is from ftp?
[10:42] <abood> guys, whats the command for unpacking the .iso file ?
[10:42] <crimsun> PaNoRaMiC: there's a list on the web site. Follow the download link.
[10:42] <svmaris> crimsun, Breezy works fine over here (updated last friday) ... did something horrible happen in the meantime?
[10:42] <Ali_Baba> no,should i check it?
[10:42] <crimsun> svmaris: there are some issues, yes.
[10:42] <PaNoRaMiC> crimson: all the mirrors off ubuntu.com are all http
[10:43] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: no, leave it unchecked
[10:43] <svmaris> Crimsun: apart from the X11 fonts that moved/did not move?
[10:43] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: just pkill esd and proceed
[10:43] <count0nz> breezy is going threw CXX translation right now ... will be stable in a week or so
[10:43] <latis> ok, sound works now
[10:43] <crimsun> one week is rather optimistic, count0nz
[10:43] <latis> crimsun,
[10:43] <nickrud> apsuva, that's good, now, at the bottom of the file, there are "Display" definitions, in the Mode lines, how many screen sizes are defined?
[10:43] <latis> but now cedega cant use my network :S
[10:43] <latis> :)
[10:43] <PaNoRaMiC> crimson: tried USA and Europe lists
[10:44] <count0nz> crimsun, :)  i am a optimist lol
[10:44] <latis> cant find any servers etc etc
[10:44] <crimsun> PaNoRaMiC: most of those sites also are available via ftp
[10:44] <apsuva> 	SubSection "Display"
[10:44] <apsuva> 		Depth		24
[10:44] <apsuva> 		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[10:44] <apsuva> 	EndSubSection
[10:44] <crimsun> latis: check with #cedega about those issues
[10:44] <spiral> crimsun: :-p I don't use breezy anymore, but I still have some breezy packages... but my Xorg works nice, & all does... except ooo
[10:45] <apsuva> nickrud,  "Display" definitions existing
[10:45] <kisain> ok i have a problem
[10:45] <batma8> how does one go about getting thier wireless lan to work
[10:45] <nickrud> apsuva, good so far, now paste the output of this command in #flood: grep Default /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:46] <crimsun> spiral: unfortunately mixing distros creates complex issues that are difficult to debug
[10:46] <PaNoRaMiC> crimson: k.. finally found the mirrors... thanks
[10:46] <Ali_Baba> crimsun: now it says also Failed to construct test pipeline for esd.
[10:46] <kisain> after i got my software raid 1 working and setup ubuntu i forgot to make a swap partition um is there a way to do this with out having to redo everything (i did howerver create a swap file..but it's not the same)
[10:46] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: you shouldn't be using esd, you should be using alsa. After all, you did say you wanted to use alsa, not esd.
[10:46] <raptoid> does ubuntu has subwoofer support i cant use my subwoofer in my 5.1 speakers?
[10:46] <raptoid> help me!
[10:47] <pestilence> when i try to install mplayer from the nerim.net repositories, i get about 7 unmet dependencies, one of which is libc6.  i assume these dependencies could be met from the nerim repository...but how comfortable are people with installing libc6 from the nerim repositories?
[10:47] <crimsun> raptoid: you need to adjust certain mixer elements. What application are you using to listen to music?
[10:47] <Ali_Baba> yes but alsa says same thing?
[10:47] <crimsun> pestilence: you should be using the testing debian-marillat repo, not stable or unstable.
[10:47] <Ali_Baba> should i reboot X?
[10:47] <pestilence> crimsun: ah, maybe that's the problem
[10:47] <raptoid> crimsun, totem player
[10:47] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: X Window System in independent of your sound issue. Check if esd is running again.
[10:47] <ubuntu> Hi
[10:48] <ys76> pestilence, Nerim compiles against debian not ubutu, so take crimsuns advice
[10:48] <pestilence> crimsun: i just followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org
[10:48] <kisain> any ideas on the swap isshue guys?
[10:48] <spiral> crimsun: is there an easy way to downgrade fully my system to hoary ?
[10:48] <raptoid> crimsun, can u give me advice
[10:48] <crimsun> pestilence: you need to pass explicitly the version to install to aptitude/apt-get
[10:48] <raptoid> crimsun, my sound card is nvidia nforce2
[10:48] <raptoid> onboard
[10:48] <pestilence> crimsun: yes, i specified -t hoary
[10:49] <crimsun> pestilence: like such: aptitude install mplayer-586=1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[10:49] <Ali_Baba> i cant kill esd anymore so i guess its not running.
[10:49] <raptoid> crimsun, help me..
[10:49] <crimsun> spiral: yes, you need to configure apt pinning so that all Hoary priorities are > 1000. man apt_preferences
[10:50] <apsuva> sorry nickrud, i am bad speak english. this command  "#flood: grep Default /var/log/Xorg.0.log" add xorg.conf ?
[10:50] <crimsun> raptoid: sec, please.
[10:50] <nickrud> apsuva, no
[10:50] <raptoid> crimsun, ok
[10:50] <apsuva> this log paste ?
[10:50] <nickrud> apsuva, yeah, paste that in #flood
[10:51] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[10:51] <spiral> crimsun: all right, I'm looking at it
[10:51] <_optixpr_> who is french ??
[10:51] <nickrud> grep Default /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:51] <HappyFool> try #ubuntu-fr
[10:51] <kisain> anyone know how to create a swap partition in software raid 1 after install (i forgot to)
[10:52] <Chambers`> anyone know of any good mp3 editors?  Meaning lets say I have a live mp3+cue files (so a mp3 that
[10:52] <Chambers`> 's 74 mins long, and I want to break it down and plit it every 5mins
[10:52] <Chambers`> oops..accidentaly hit the enter key
[10:52] <svmaris> Chambers`, mp3splt will do that for you
[10:52] <aquarius> Chambers`, there's a program called mp3splt somewhere.
[10:52] <Ali_Baba> that gave me this lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev Output information may be incomplete.
[10:52] <Ali_Baba> hmm.
[10:52] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: and that's it, correct?
[10:53] <Amaranth> Chambers`: Audacity?
[10:53] <Ali_Baba> i guess,you think it works now?
[10:53] <crimsun> raptoid: paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.com
[10:53] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: test the output sink (alsa)
[10:53] <forester> Installed ubuntu for the first time, I don't remember hearing about the root account. I would also like to leave X and go straight to console, not running X and a terminal.
[10:54] <forester> How do I do this?
[10:54] <crimsun> forester: see the faq in the topic regarding root.
[10:54] <crimsun> forester: also, search the wiki for the correct method of disabling the display manager
[10:54] <Chambers`> is there a .deb of it anywhere?  All I see id the tar
[10:54] <Ali_Baba> only oss works,not alsa.
[10:54] <svmaris> Chambers`, mp3splt is in apt afaik
[10:54] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: did you create an /etc/asound.conf or a ~/.asoundrc ?
[10:55] <Chambers`> synaptic doesn't find it
[10:55] <pestilence> crimsun: i don't see any packages on nerim.net with "ubuntu" in the version
[10:55] <svmaris> Chambers`, it's in Hoary Universe on my machine
[10:55] <carthik> Can someone please recommend a good book for me, a newbie, to buy - that will act as a complete reference?
[10:55] <Ali_Baba> there is /etc/asound.conf
[10:56] <spiral> crimsun: all right, I've still got a lot of work to do, because it wants to remove a lot of packages when I do so
[10:56] <raptoid> crimsun, okey send it.
[10:56] <Chambers`> svmaris, interesting, gotta check my sources
[10:56] <raptoid> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/288105
[10:56] <svmaris> Chambers`, and it's 'mp3splt' .. without the 'i' :)
[10:56] <forester> crimsun: Am I supposed to remove gdm from init scripts?
[10:56] <crimsun> pestilence: please read my instructions closely
[10:57] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: paste in onto http://pastebin.com, please
[10:57] <Chambers`> ahh, that found it, thanks :)
[10:57] <Chambers`> i'm an idiot
[10:57] <Chambers`> totally missed that..hahah
[10:57] <raptoid> crimsun, i sent the output
[10:57] <svmaris> Chambers`, I made that mistake once or twice myself
[10:58] <Ali_Baba> its there now.
[10:58] <crimsun> raptoid: are you using spdif?
[10:59] <Ali_Baba> i changed it a while ago to get multisound working,that could be the reason.
[10:59] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: can you play anything with aplay -Dplug:dmixer?
[11:00] <raptoid> crimsun, i dont know how can i learn
[11:00] <raptoid> ?
[11:00] <Ali_Baba> that command gives me error.
[11:00] <pestilence> crimsun: i thought i had.  you said i must use testing.  so i tried "apt-get install -t testing mplayer-k6".  still 2 unmet dependencies.  so i looked at ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/ for a mplayer-k6 package with "ubuntu" in the name.  there is no -586 ubuntu or -k6 ubuntu.  could you please clarify?
[11:00] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: that's because you have to tell it a wav file
[11:00] <nicedreams> can someone add  xnview  to the ubuntu repositories?
[11:01] <crimsun> raptoid: what speaker connection are you using?
[11:01] <Ali_Baba> ok.
[11:01] <Chambers`> hmm..I'm reading up on how to mount a ntfs partition on the forums but I see a few different ways of doing it.  Is it ok to mount it as RW yet or still keep it as RO?  Also, here's the command line I will put in fastab, does that look right? /dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfs-sys ntfs ro,dmask=0222,fmask=0333 0 0  <-- i don't know what dmask and fmask do though
[11:01] <pestilence> Chambers`: keep it as read-only
[11:01] <crimsun> pestilence: I gave you the _precise_ syntax you must use
[11:01] <sbcl3> does ubuntu have support for FAT32?
[11:01] <crimsun> sbcl3: yes
[11:01] <nicedreams> sbcl3, yes
[11:01] <raptoid> crimsun, i connect rear & front & center-bass
[11:02] <kent> is thera an rss-feed for art.gnome.org  and/or gnome-look.org?  it would be cool to use blam to fetch new pictures of themes, backgrounds etc.
[11:03] <Ali_Baba> it cant play wav file :  audio open error: Connection refused
[11:03] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: what syntax are you using?
[11:03] <crimsun> raptoid: so all analog connections?
[11:03] <sbcl3> does anyone know of software that can make images of chessboards automatically from chess notation?
[11:03] <sbcl3> it would be really useful for a chess article
[11:03] <pestilence> crimsun: if you are referring to "aptitude install mplayer-586=1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6", that gives the original unmet dependencies that i came into the channel with
[11:03] <raptoid> crimsun, my sound card nvidia nforce2 onboard 5.1 6 channels my speaker jazz 9902
[11:03] <kisain> so i'm gussing no one has an answer to my problem?
[11:03] <Ali_Baba> what you mean by syntax?
[11:03] <pestilence> crimsun: i appreciate your help, i hope i'm not coming across as dense.
[11:04] <hondje> kisain: what's that?
[11:04] <crimsun> pestilence: and again, you must have _only_ the testing debian-marillat repo in sources.list. You _must not_ have stable or unstable.
[11:04] <HappyFool> sbcl3: i would guess there's a latex package for chess symbols
[11:04] <Chambers`> does ubuntu have a way that i could see what my partition table looks like?  I want to make sure i'm mounting the correct partition :P
[11:04] <sbcl3> chambers`: gparted
[11:04] <sbcl3> get it through apt
[11:04] <robotgeek> Chambers`: fdisk
[11:04] <raptoid> crimsun, yes
[11:04] <crimsun> Chambers`: or fdisk -l /dev/foo
[11:05] <raptoid> crimsun, yes all analog connections
[11:05] <crimsun> raptoid: does aplay -Dplug:surround51 foo.wav work?
[11:05] <pestilence> crimsun: ok, so now i'm back to 2 unmet dependencies...(libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is installed.) and (libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is installed.)
[11:05] <Chambers`> thanks yet again guys, sorry for all the basic questions
[11:06] <pestilence> crimsun: oh...maybe those are in multiverse :-/
[11:06] <HappyFool> sbcl3: googling for 'latex chess package' gives some useful looking pages
[11:06] <crimsun> pestilence: and you have only debian-marillat's testing repo enabled (and ubuntu's multiverse, of course)?
[11:06] <Ali_Baba> crimsun: what you ment with syntax?
[11:06] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: what command did you type?
[11:07] <pestilence> crimsun: it was multiverse that was causing the problem.  thanks!
[11:07] <Ali_Baba>  aplay -Dplug:dmixer /home/matti/xine-out.wav
[11:07] <pestilence> crimsun: (lack of multiverse, that is)
[11:08] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: that aplay command fails?
[11:08] <nova> yikes full chanel :)
[11:08] <hondje> hi nova
[11:08] <nova> so any one here running ati vid card with dual displays ? :)
[11:08] <nova> heya hondje
[11:08] <Ali_Baba> yes,it gives me this: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:898:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to connect client aplay: main:508: audio open error: Connection refused
[11:09] <pestilence> nova: on my laptop, yes
[11:09] <raptoid> crimsun, aplay -Dplug:surround51 foo.wav it's waiting..
[11:09] <tidalwav1> here's a question: is it generally okay to run apt-get upgrade if you have marilliat in your apt sources list?
[11:09] <nova> ive got a small isue
[11:09] <tidalwav1> *marrilat
[11:09] <nova> well not so much a isue realy
[11:09] <crimsun> raptoid: are you still using esd? pgrep esd
[11:09] <nova> my q is how can i get what would be a extended desk top in windows with a ati vid card
[11:09] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: ok, erase /etc/asound.conf
[11:09] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: then try the command again
[11:09] <raptoid> crimsun, raptoid@ubuntu:~$ pgrep esd
[11:09] <raptoid> 8137
[11:09] <pestilence> nova: xinerama
[11:09] <Fator_Dee> tidalwav1: I wouldn't do that
[11:09] <nova> that and matched res
[11:10] <Ali_Baba> ok.
[11:10] <tidalwav1> fator: why not :P
[11:10] <tidalwav1> not compatible with ubuntu?
[11:10] <Fator_Dee> tidalwav1: it might b0rg your system
[11:10] <crimsun> raptoid: uncheck "Enable sound server start up" in System>Preferences>Sound
[11:10] <tidalwav1> fator: k :P
[11:10] <pestilence> nova: not sure what you mean by "matched res", but you should try xinerama.
[11:10] <crimsun> raptoid: then try the aplay command again
[11:10] <Fator_Dee> tidalwav1: but if you really, really want to, who am I to deny it from you :-p
[11:10] <tidalwav1> is there a way to view apt-get logs
[11:11] <crimsun> tidalwav1: not for apt-get, but there is for aptitude.
[11:11] <tidalwav1> k, thx :)
[11:11] <Ali_Baba> no i got this: ALSA lib pcm.c:2068:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM dmixer aplay: main:508: audio open error: No such file or directory
[11:11] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: did you rm -f /etc/asound.conf ~/.asoundrc ?
[11:11] <Ali_Baba> i try that.
[11:12] <raptoid> crimsun, foo.wav: No such file or directory
[11:13] <nova> ok how to install or use xinerama?
[11:13] <egg> what's it?
[11:13] <pestilence> nova: you need to add this to your xorg.conf:
[11:13] <pestilence> Section "ServerFlags"
[11:13] <pestilence>     Option       "Xinerama"     "true"
[11:13] <pestilence> EndSection
[11:13] <nova> then what reboot?
[11:13] <Ali_Baba> hmm,it gives me the same error.
[11:13] <hondje> nova: restart X
[11:14] <nova> k
[11:14] <pestilence> nova: no, just restart gdm.  ctrl+alt+backspace should do it
[11:14] <egg> g
[11:14] <crimsun> raptoid: foo is a placeholder. Substitute a real filename.
[11:14] <Gimp> hey
[11:14] <egg> all
[11:14] <Ali_Baba> i think i should maybe do this howto again http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30076
[11:15] <[rSr] Gimp> hey
[11:15] <crimsun> that howto is too complicated, particularly the asound.conf
[11:15] <Ali_Baba> crimsun: that worked before i tried that dmixer thing.
[11:15] <[rSr] Gimp> i just installed ubuntu and im trying to install linux-wlan-ng
[11:16] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: so did you erase the asound.conf|.asoundrc?
[11:16] <[rSr] Gimp> it says i need the linux source tree to make it
[11:16] <crimsun> [rSr] Gimp: does your wireless chipset not work with default Hoary kernel?
[11:16] <hondje> [rSr] Gimp: apt-cache search kernel | grep source ?
[11:16] <Ali_Baba> yes i did.
[11:16] <[rSr] Gimp> is that in ubuntu or do i need to download something else?
[11:17] <raptoid> crimsun, i play mp3 but there is unexpected sound cazur cozor
[11:17] <[rSr] Gimp> hondje : can i do that without an internet connection?
[11:17] <crimsun> raptoid: aplay uses wavs, not mp3s
[11:17] <hondje> Probably not, unless the source pkgs are on the CD
[11:17] <Chambers`> brb
[11:17] <crimsun> [rSr] Gimp: yes, you can always search your apt cache.
[11:17] <crimsun> [rSr] Gimp: it's stored locally.
[11:17] <Ali_Baba> crimson: before i got slave.pcm "nforce" and now slave.pcm "dmixer".
[11:17] <nova> one last question does it matter where i add it in the file?
[11:17] <[rSr] Gimp> k
[11:17] <[rSr] Gimp> ty
[11:18] <Ali_Baba> could that dmixer be the problem.
[11:18] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: yes. Get rid of all asound.conf or .asoundrc
[11:18] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: have you done that much?
[11:18] <Ali_Baba> i removed them.
[11:19] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: and aplay still throws errors?
[11:19] <caonex> anybody here running ubuntu with reiserfs support?
[11:19] <Ali_Baba> it works now :)
[11:20] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: ok, use this: http://pastebin.com/288109
[11:20] <nova> wth i cant write to xorg.conf heh
[11:20] <crimsun> nova: you probably aren't doing so with root privs
[11:21] <nova> yeh doh heh
[11:22] <pestilence> nova: don't think it matters, just put it at the top.
[11:22] <[rSr] Gimp> i cant find the source
[11:22] <[rSr] Gimp> i tried apt-cache search kernel | grep source but it didnt do anything
[11:23] <kisain> can you resize and create a partition with gparted?
[11:23] <hondje> kisain: yes
[11:23] <kisain> that might solve my swap problem
[11:23] <kisain> how?
[11:23] <hondje> pick a partition, pick resize
[11:23] <kisain> and what would i have to alter to make it work?
[11:23] <kisain> ok cool
[11:23] <Ali_Baba> so i put that into /etc/asound.conf and now it gives more errors.
[11:23] <hondje> have you looked at gparted?
[11:23] <hondje> It's really user-friendly
[11:23] <crimsun> [rSr] Gimp: you need linux-source-2.6.10 or linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:23] <kisain> do i have to tell linux that i made a swap partition?
[11:24] <hondje> kisain: yes
[11:24] <hondje> you do it by mounting it as -t swap
[11:24] <hondje> adding it to /etc/fstab is a good idea, too
[11:24] <[rSr] Gimp> crimsun : where can i get that? or does it come with ubuntu?
[11:24] <Ali_Baba> i think i should try that ubuntu forum thing, i have done it before.
[11:24] <crimsun> [rSr] Gimp: you need to download it.
[11:24] <kisain> oh ok cool
[11:24] <crimsun> [rSr] Gimp: put it on a cd or something
[11:24] <[rSr] Gimp> k
[11:24] <nova> here goes the restart heh
[11:24] <kisain> thats what i wonderd thanx ^_^
[11:25] <hondje> kisain: if it's in fstab, it'll mount automagically every reboot
[11:25] <raptoid> crimsun, raptoid@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ aplay -Dplug:surround51 duckjob.wav
[11:25] <raptoid> Playing WAVE 'duckjob.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 11025 Hz, Mono
[11:25] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: what errors?
[11:25] <crimsun> raptoid: did you pass -fcd to aplay?
[11:25] <[rSr] Gimp> i cant find it
[11:25] <[rSr] Gimp> where can i download it from?
[11:25] <raptoid> crimsun, what ?
[11:25] <crimsun> raptoid: aplay -fcd ....
[11:26] <crimsun> [rSr] Gimp: any Ubuntu mirror
[11:26] <Ali_Baba> function snd_config_hook_load retur ned error: Unknown error for example.
[11:26] <[rSr] Gimp> nvm i found it
[11:26] <[rSr] Gimp> thx
[11:26] <kisain> just one more question does it work with software raid?
[11:26] <raptoid> crimsun, raptoid@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ aplay -fcd duckjob.wav
[11:26] <raptoid> Warning: format is changed to U8
[11:26] <raptoid> Playing WAVE 'duckjob.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 11025 Hz, Mono
[11:27] <raptoid> crimsun, ?
[11:27] <crimsun> raptoid: choose a different wav
[11:28] <novaflare> well now that i have no working gui how do i fix it
[11:28] <[rSr] Gimp> linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-34_all.deb
[11:28] <Laforge> Ok i got a linksys adapte
[11:28] <Laforge> adapter*
[11:28] <hondje> novaflare: revert the changes you made and ponder them more next time? :)
[11:28] <[rSr] Gimp> so i just burn that to a cd and select that as the source?
[11:28] <novaflare> how do i undo the changes
[11:28] <crimsun> [rSr] Gimp: now what are you trying to accomplish precisely?
[11:28] <L7> i can't get any sound in either totem or VLC, anyone have a solution?
[11:28] <pestilence> novaflare: just delete the lines you added...
[11:28] <pestilence> novaflare: but, you might want to look in the logs to see why it failed
[11:28] <ivoks> does anyone knows, is there any plan to do graphical installer for ubuntu?
[11:28] <[rSr] Gimp> i downloaded linux-wlan-ng and i did "make config" and it needs the linux source tree
[11:29] <crimsun> Ali_Baba: um, did you use _precisely_ what I pasted?
[11:29] <[rSr] Gimp> im trying to install drivers for my wireless network card
[11:29] <pestilence> novaflare: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:29] <crimsun> [rSr] Gimp: but does your wireless adapter not work with Ubuntu out-of-box?
[11:29] <L7> i can't get any sound in either totem or VLC, anyone have a solution?
[11:29] <crimsun> [rSr] Gimp: in other words, did you check the wifi pages on the wiki?
[11:29] <[rSr] Gimp> dont think it does
[11:29] <crimsun> L7: kill esd if you're using it
[11:29] <Ali_Baba> yeah.
[11:29] <crimsun> [rSr] Gimp: don't _think_ or _know_? :)
[11:30] <[rSr] Gimp> i did "iwconfig" and it said there werent any wireless devices
[11:30] <L7> crimsun, how? i'm pretty much i newbie.
[11:30] <crimsun> L7: pkill esd
[11:30] <Curlydave> hey
[11:30] <Ali_Baba> got sound back with that ubuntuforums howto :)
[11:30] <Curlydave> i have an issue and i would be greatful if anyone could help me out
[11:30] <novaflare> omg i found my error
[11:30] <Ali_Baba> it must have been that damn dmixer :)
[11:31] <novaflare> but i can get back to root to fix it lol
[11:31] <Curlydave> I'm trying to install UT2k4, and it asks for disc2
[11:31] <raptoid> crimsun,  -Dplug:surround51 girlmone2.wav
[11:31] <raptoid> Playing WAVE 'girlmone2.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo
[11:31] <Curlydave> problem is, I can't eject disc1!
[11:31] <raptoid> crimsun, -fcd girlmone2.wav
[11:31] <raptoid> Playing WAVE 'girlmone2.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo
[11:31] <[rSr] Gimp> yay i found it
[11:31] <Curlydave> it says it's busy when i use the desktop eject, and using eject in console doesn't work either, and the button on my drive never works in linux
[11:31] <[rSr] Gimp> thanks crimsun :)
[11:31] <Ali_Baba> crimson: Thanks for helping :)
[11:31] <Curlydave> so i can't eject the cd to put in the next one
[11:31] <Chambers`> hmm..why is it that once you install mplayer, totem breaks?  Everytime i try to play something with totem is says resource busy
[11:32] <Laforge> Ok the set up wizard that came with the adapter wouldn't work with Ubuntu right?
[11:32] <crimsun> raptoid: do you have a multichannel pcm file?
[11:32] <novaflare> well i know why it failed
[11:32] <crimsun> raptoid: e.g., something from a dvd?
[11:33] <Curlydave> hey, does anyone know how to get the eject button on the drive working?
[11:33] <novaflare> i had your name in my copy paste pestilence
[11:33] <Curlydave> it doens't work in ubuntu
[11:33] <brad_> HI GUYS
[11:33] <Curlydave> i need to to install ut2k4
[11:33] <novaflare> but i cant edit the damn thing cause i can get back to root
[11:33] <Curlydave> hi brad
[11:33] <pestilence> novaflare: ctrl+alt+f1
[11:34] <hondje> Curlydave: try umount /dev/whatever
[11:34] <brad_> hows ubuntu treating everyone?
[11:34] <hondje> If it says the device is busy, fuser /dev/whatever and see why it won't eject :)
[11:34] <novaflare> im consol ponly at moment
[11:34] <Curlydave> like an outsider who doens't own his own bcomputer :p
[11:34] <Curlydave> k
[11:34] <novaflare> and getting auth failure
[11:34] <raptoid> crimsun, thanks for helping
[11:34] <hondje> novaflare: use sudo
[11:34] <novaflare> how
[11:34] <Curlydave> i can give you some logs
[11:35] <hondje> sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf, for example
[11:35] <Curlydave> david@amd64:~$ sudo eject
[11:35] <Curlydave> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[11:35] <Curlydave> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[11:35] <pestilence> novaflare: you can't login?  you didn't change anything that would prevent login...
[11:35] <Vjaz> Anyone know if it's possible to change the colour of the text on my desktop?
[11:35] <raptoid> crimsun, woofer windows no problem
[11:35] <Curlydave> david@amd64:~$ sudo umount -f /dev/hdc && sudo eject
[11:35] <Curlydave> umount2: Device or resource busy
[11:35] <Curlydave> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[11:35] <Curlydave> umount2: Device or resource busy
[11:35] <hondje> Curlydave: fuser /dev/hdc
[11:35] <pestilence> novaflare: at least, i didn't tell you to change anything that would prevent login on a console
[11:35] <Laforge> If cox doesn't support static IP i can't configure my ethernet with static ip right?
[11:35] <nuOpus> Laforge I have mine static
[11:35] <caonex> anybody here with reiserfs ?
[11:35] <nuOpus> I use cox
[11:35] <L7> crimsun, the sound works in amaroK but not anywhere else, any ideas?
[11:36] <Ali_Baba> crimson: i got nforce2 soundcard,maybe it doesnt liked that dmixer :)
[11:36] <Laforge> i would need it static to run HTTP and FTP server right?
[11:36] <novaflare> and how to start x server from consol
[11:36] <Curlydave> hondje: that didn't seem to do anything
[11:36] <L7> i'll msg you what it said when i typed kill esd
[11:36] <hondje> Curlydave: hrm... try lsof | grep hdc
[11:36] <crimsun> L7: no, use #flood
[11:36] <nuOpus> Laforge: my cox address usually changes like every 4 or so months
[11:36] <Laforge> oh
[11:36] <nuOpus> Laforge: So I use dyndns
[11:36] <Curlydave> hondje: same result
[11:36] <Laforge> ok
[11:36] <hondje> Curlydave: pwd?
[11:36] <Curlydave> no error, just nothing
[11:36] <nuOpus> Laforge: go to www.dyndns.org
[11:37] <pestilence> ok, now that i have the mplayer packages installed (and libdvdread), i'm trying to play dvd's...and mplayer crashes in decode_audio.  anybody know how to fix this?
[11:37] <L7> ok
[11:37] <Curlydave> hondje: no pwd prompt
[11:37] <hondje> so you don't have a shell open on it?
[11:37] <nuOpus> Laforge: You can create like ... laforge.dyndns.org that points to your current cox IP
[11:37] <hondje> damn, that's just funky...try umount -l /dev/hdc
[11:37] <crimsun> L7: you should use pkill esd
[11:37] <crimsun> L7: not kill esd
[11:37] <nuOpus> and you just tell people to use laforge.dyndns.org
[11:37] <L7> ahaa
[11:37] <pestilence> i've tried -ao osd, -ao esd
[11:37] <novaflare> hondje how to start x server from consol?
[11:37] <Laforge> hmm yea i would rather want something like lphome.net
[11:37] <hondje> novaflare: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:37] <pestilence> novaflare: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[11:37] <Laforge> i would pay for it too nuOpus
[11:37] <nuOpus> there are lots of scripts that run in Linux to automatically update your IP
[11:37] <nuOpus> its free
[11:37] <Curlydave> hondje: same, nothing
[11:38] <nuOpus> dyndns.org is just one of them.
[11:38] <Laforge> yea but i want one that is just lphome.net nu)pus
[11:38] <hondje> Curlydave: okay, that's just funky man
[11:38] <nuOpus> for example I use nuopus.kicks-ass.org
[11:38] <Curlydave> i could just pry open my drive with a flathead screwdriver
[11:38] <selinium> Hi all, when I put a CD int the drive it works once then won't eject. It will not unmount properly during shut down either. Any ideas?
[11:38] <L7> crimsun, now i killed it, what can i do next?
[11:38] <kisain> um how is it that i'm using ubuntu on a hd that isen't mounted?
[11:38] <hondje> if fuser and lsof said nothing...I dunno
[11:38] <Laforge> not with like laforge.something.net
[11:38] <nuOpus> laforge: ahh you would have to pay for what is not on their list
[11:38] <Laforge> yea
[11:38] <hondje> kisain: I bet it's really mounted
[11:38] <Laforge> but i am willing to
[11:38] <hondje> does it show up when you run mount?
[11:38] <nuOpus> well then .. do it! lol just do to www.dyndns.org
[11:38] <novaflare> hmm still no gui heh
[11:39] <hondje> novaflare: any errors?
[11:39] <Curlydave> how do i run mount?
[11:39] <pestilence> novaflare: read logs
[11:39] <kisain> what would be the command just mount?
[11:39] <hondje> Curlydave: that was for kisain, sry
[11:39] <hondje> yeah
[11:39] <crimsun> L7: test vlc, etc.
[11:39] <novaflare> no
[11:39] <Curlydave> hondje: oh ok
[11:39] <novaflare> just says already running
[11:39] <hondje> running 'mount' by itself shows all mounted filesystesm
[11:39] <Curlydave> i just wanna install ut2k4, but I can't get disc 2 in :/
[11:39] <novaflare> im at command line
[11:39] <pestilence> novaflare: you need to restart then, not start
[11:39] <kisain> thers some sorta errors?
[11:39] <pestilence> novaflare: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:39] <hondje> novaflare: already running? ctrl-alt-f7 then?
[11:39] <kisain> i could be wrong though
[11:39] <novaflare> same gdm already running
[11:40] <hondje> pgrep gdm
[11:40] <pestilence> and ctrl-alt-f7? :)
[11:40] <kisain> you want me to post in #flood?
[11:40] <Laforge> so if i want to run the webserver on my computer and just want they domain name do i want register only or with Custom DNS nu0pus
[11:40] <ivanson> i wish i read the "dont use breezy" before i started using it ;) lol
[11:40] <hondje> kisain: you can msg it to me
[11:40] <kisain> kk
[11:40] <hondje>  /query to open up a tab, then paste away
[11:40] <novaflare> i will disable x serv for now
[11:40] <novaflare> restart when configured corectly
[11:40] <hondje> novaflare: did you get the ati drivers installed?
[11:41] <hondje> Because going xinerama AND ati, you're ballsy man :)
[11:41] <novaflare> no
[11:41] <[rSr] Gimp> hey
[11:41] <[rSr] Gimp> im trying to enable the "universe" repository but what it says in the wiki is different than whats on my screen
[11:41] <Curlydave> linux loves to fight me
[11:41] <Curlydave> and blocks me from my own hardware whenever possible :(
[11:41] <[rSr] Gimp> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToAccessTheUniverseRepository
[11:42] <L7> crimsun, thx very much! do i have to type pkill esd everytime i boot?
[11:42] <ivanson> i want to move the cursor in the terminals. what is the name of that program?
[11:42] <pestilence> L7: no, go into sound under "system-preferences" and uncheck start sound system at startup
[11:42] <selinium> Hi all, when I put a CD int the drive it works once then won't eject. It will not unmount properly during shut down either. Any ideas?
[11:43] <nuOpus> ivanson: You mean with a mouse?
[11:43] <nickrud> ivanson, gpm
[11:43] <nuOpus> ivanson: gpm
[11:43] <ivanson> nuOpus: yep
[11:43] <ivanson> thanks alot! thats the one
[11:43] <Curlydave> selinium, same issue
[11:43] <Curlydave> cds won't eject from the eject button, only a system command
[11:43] <davut> hi
[11:43] <davut> I just installed ubuntu
[11:43] <Curlydave> and the linux system has a bad habit of preventing me from doing shit
[11:43] <pestilence> L7: also change esd to alsa on "multimedia systems selector"
[11:43] <hondje> selinium: did you try fuser /dev/your_cdrom, lsof | grep hd?? ?
[11:43] <Curlydave> hi dav
[11:43] <davut> and I can not get my video card run exactly
[11:43] <ivanson> davut: gratz :)(
[11:43] <Curlydave> yep
[11:43] <nuOpus> davut: and what do you think?
[11:43] <hondje> Curlydave: on, it works from system command?
[11:43] <hondje> If so, then I'm not confused anymroe :)
[11:43] <Curlydave> no error, but no eject either
[11:43] <davut> nice :))
[11:44] <ivanson> davut: what card is it?
[11:44] <hondje> oh, okay
[11:44] <ivanson> davut: and what is your problem with it?
[11:44] <selinium> hondje: One moment...
[11:44] <davut> my sonoma laptop has i915gm chipset
[11:44] <Curlydave> hondje, i mean as in in general i have to use commands from the terminal-but that doens' even work here
[11:44] <novaflare> undid changes and cant start or restart gdm cause its already running
[11:44] <davut> I think xorg does not support i915
[11:44] <ivanson> davut: did you search the web for it?
[11:44] <davut> what can I do to get actual resoultion
[11:44] <batma8> what does it mean when it says "make sure you are running as root"?
[11:44] <davut> yes
[11:44] <anne> anyone have any ideas about officejet v40? linux does not support?
[11:44] <pestilence> novaflare: force-reload
[11:44] <ivanson> davut: actual resolution?
[11:45] <novaflare> how
[11:45] <Curlydave> hondje: those commands dont' appear to do anything
[11:45] <pestilence> novaflare: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm force-reload
[11:45] <davut> normal resolution must be 1200x800
[11:45] <davut> but I see 1024x768
[11:45] <hondje> Curlydave: what, lsof, etc? If they do nothing, that means they found nothing
[11:45] <ivanson> davut: sudo "editor" /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:45] <Curlydave> my cd drive is hdc right?
[11:45] <mattlins> Anybody know how to install Netbeans 4.1?  I downloaded the .bin and tried to execute it, but I get "unable to run in graphical mode."
[11:45] <hondje> fuser tells you what file is using the target, lsof shows all the open files
[11:45] <ivanson> Curlydave: thats a pretty relative question ;
[11:45] <nuOpus> davut: if ubuntu does not properly detect all of your resolutions ... like on other laptops ive seen ... you just edit the /etc/xorg.conf
[11:45] <Curlydave> hondje: they found nothing?
[11:45] <davut> ivanson, I did it
[11:45] <Curlydave> i'm pretty sure tha't sit
[11:45] <hondje> Curlydave: yep
[11:46] <davut> I edited it
[11:46] <hondje> Curlydave: type mount
[11:46] <hondje> make sure /dev/hdc is on /media/cdrom
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> mattlins: try to run it in  a terminal
[11:46] <ivanson> davut: so then... what is your problem? you dont get any picture?
[11:46] <davut> it did not take effect
[11:46] <novaflare> that worked
[11:46] <davut> no
[11:46] <davut> I am in X now
[11:46] <nuOpus> davut: try restarting gdm
[11:46] <ivanson> davut: press ctrl+alt+"+" ;)
[11:46] <Curlydave> hondje: k, that gives me a short log
[11:46] <davut> but the display is not good
[11:46] <ivanson> davut: yeah. reset x11 for it to load the config
[11:46] <nuOpus> davut: It will not take effect just because you edited the file
[11:46] <novaflare> hell the rest might have as well
[11:46] <mattlins> HrdwrBob: I did run it from the terminal, but netbeans want to launch a graphical installation
[11:46] <nuOpus> davut: do what ivanson said
[11:47] <davut> in preferences
[11:47] <selinium> hondje: I dont have /dev/cdrom I appear to have /media/cdrom0
[11:47] <Curlydave> hondje: i kno wwhat's using the drive: it's hte ut2k4 install, but i need it to briefly stop using it
[11:47] <ivanson> ivanson: smack the "ctrl+alt+backspace"
[11:47] <davut> the only resolution seems 1024x768
[11:47] <nuOpus> davut: restart x11 by pressing ctrl-alt-backspace .... and it will read the file when it starts next time
[11:47] <ivanson> davut: dont use gnome settings... it isntreally likee xorg.conf
[11:47] <nuOpus> davut: You can edit that file till your blue in the face ... it will not do anything unless X is restarted
[11:47] <[rSr] Gimp> hey
[11:48] <hondje> selinium: okay, that's where your CD is mounted
[11:48] <[rSr] Gimp> whats the default root password?
[11:48] <sbcl3> there is none
[11:48] <_4strO|zZZzz> bonne nuit tout le monde
[11:48] <hondje> selinium: fuser /media/cdrom0 shows anything?
[11:48] <nuOpus> there is none
[11:48] <sbcl3> well, i don't think so
[11:48] <ivanson> davut: and gnome config for resolution isnt always working very well with xorg.conf
[11:48] <hondje> [rSr] Gimp: none, you ahve to set it
[11:48] <[rSr] Gimp> how?
[11:48] <nuOpus> but if you do what root ... do sudo passwd root
[11:48] <sbcl3> rsrgimp: just do sudo
[11:48] <sbcl3> yeah
[11:48] <davut> I tried it
[11:48] <mattlins> HrdwrBob: The troubleshooting doc says to "setenv DISPLAY your-local-host:0.0" but setenv is a command not found.
[11:48] <davut> but again I will try what u say
[11:48] <nova> give me the lines again for the display please
[11:48] <ivanson> [rSr] Gimp: there no password... use sudo passwd for set one
[11:48] <ivanson> davut: good luck!
[11:48] <davut> but I think its with the video card
[11:48] <selinium> hondje: /media/cdrom0:       15753 15936c
[11:48] <nuOpus> davut: send me your xorg.conf
[11:48] <[rSr] Gimp> ty
[11:48] <ivanson> davut: i dont think that ;)
[11:49] <ivanson> [rSr] Gimp: but hey
[11:49] <ivanson> [rSr] Gimp: dont set a password ;)
[11:49] <ivanson> [rSr] Gimp: there is no need for one... just use sudo
[11:49] <davut> i915 is not supported in xorg configuration
[11:49] <nuOpus> ivanson: try telling that to lots of programs that REQUIRE a root password
[11:49] <carthik__> any ubuntu documentation peeps here?
[11:49] <nuOpus> ivanson: the only way to configure driverloader is to have a root password since it is a web frontend and not an app you just run
[11:50] <davut> SubSection "Display"
[11:50] <davut>                 Depth           24
[11:50] <davut>                 Modes           "1200x800"
[11:50] <davut>         EndSubSection
[11:50] <Laforge> which do i download for GAIM, FC2 or 3, Red Hat, Mandrake, Autopackage
[11:50] <davut> I edited the xorg
[11:50] <aroman> hello
[11:50] <nuOpus> and frontend expects a root password
[11:50] <batma8> how to i set up as root?
[11:50] <hondje> yeah, and it should be noted that ethereal wants root, too
[11:50] <aroman> how can I install a font on my hoary machine?
[11:50] <nuOpus> ya
[11:50] <ivanson> davut: did you restart x11?
[11:50] <nova> pestilence can you give me those lines again pretty please heh
[11:50] <aroman> Laforge, you use apt-get...
[11:50] <sbcl3> if i edit my xorg.conf to allow 1154x874 (something like that), will it work?
[11:50] <batma8> anyhone?
[11:50] <davut> yes
[11:50] <Laforge> oh
[11:50] <ivanson> sbcl3: try it :)
[11:50] <pestilence> nova: for xinerama?
[11:50] <aroman> Laforge, apt-get install gaim
[11:51] <nova> yes
[11:51] <sbcl3> ivanson: k...
[11:51] <aroman> Laforge, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade first...
[11:51] <aroman> as root, of course
[11:51] <pestilence> nova: just set Option       "Xinerama"     "true" in your ServerFlags section
[11:51] <pestilence> i.e.
[11:51] <pestilence> Section "ServerFlags"
[11:51] <pestilence>     Option       "Xinerama"     "true"
[11:51] <pestilence> EndSection
[11:51] <ys76> batma8, What*s your Prob?
[11:51] <ivanson> oh boy i love spending time in x11-less mode... *smack head*.. why did i upgrade to breezy? :P
[11:52] <ys76> ivanson, Did you read the TOPIC?
[11:52] <nuOpus> ivanson: there was a post in forums specifically telling you NOTE to upgrade this week
[11:52] <nuOpus> they are trying new things that will break X
[11:52] <batma8> when i try to make a folder in /etc
[11:52] <batma8> it sais i need to be root?
[11:52] <Laforge> In Firefox where are prefrences?
[11:52] <nuOpus> ivanson: Should have read the forums! lol
[11:52] <Curlydave> hi
[11:52] <[rSr] Gimp> i did "sudo passwd root" and it asked me to enter a password
[11:52] <Curlydave> remind me not to enter random key combinatison I read in IRC again :p
[11:52] <g14> batma8: sudo mkdir /etc/whatever
[11:52] <[rSr] Gimp> and when i put one in it said it was wrong
[11:53] <ivanson> nuOpus: well im not much of a forum reader ;)
[11:53] <nuOpus> gimp: it is your normal user password
[11:53] <Curlydave> hey, does anyone knwo why whenever I boot up I get a bunch of differen tprogram windows open?
[11:53] <ivanson> nuOpus: i will just downgrade argh ;) bummer
[11:53] <[rSr] Gimp> k
[11:53] <[rSr] Gimp> ty
[11:53] <Curlydave> 2 instances of gaim, irc, a terminal window etc
[11:53] <ys76> [rSr] Gimp, Take your password, it should work...
[11:53] <nuOpus> ivanson: lol ya ... why are you wanting to try breezy? to get newer software?
[11:53] <g14> Curlydave: You must have saved your session and it got all crazy
[11:53] <nova> brb i hope
[11:54] <ivanson> nuOpus: nope. isnt like that at all :) just another "time-waster"... i have too much bandwidth lol
[11:54] <nickrud> [rSr] Gimp, uh, that's supposed to be the new root password you enter there :)
[11:54] <nuOpus> ivanson: lol
[11:55] <nuOpus> ivanson: Ya. ... me too. Im installing kubuntu in a vmware session just to try it. Dont want to ruin my install by installing KDE ... EVEN if I can just use debfoster to clean it again
[11:55] <ys76> Could someone change the topic to read "READ THE TOPIC" please?
[11:55] <nuOpus> last time I played with KDE it was total crap
[11:55] <Laforge> Does ubuntu come with preinstalled apache, php, mysql and phpmyadmin?
[11:55] <nuOpus> Laforge: You can install it using apt-get
[11:55] <nuOpus> or synaptic
[11:55] <hondje> Laforge: not in the default install
[11:55] <Laforge> ok
[11:55] <ivanson> nuOpus: duh :P kde is cool, alltough a bit too cool for me.. it has too much functions to be functionable for me :P i need the less flashy interface
[11:56] <Laforge> so apt-get install php?
[11:56] <ivanson> nuOpus: im total gnome user ^^
[11:56] <nuOpus> ivanson: it is too messy. 10 million ways to do the same things ... and all 10 million things in places you would not expect them
[11:56] <ys76> Laforge, apt-get istall php4 apache whatever
[11:56] <TriniTriggs> hey.  In fstab, what's the syntax for a reiser partition (trying to mount a suse partition)?
[11:56] <Laforge> ok
[11:56] <ivanson> nuOpus: yep... well thats life ;) about choices
[11:56] <nuOpus> eck
[11:56] <mattlins> When I try to install the Netbean 4.1 IDE I get an error message about "unable to run in graphical mode"  Does anybody know how to resolve this?
[11:57] <ivanson> hey guys. how do i "dist-downgrade" hehe?
[11:57] <nuOpus> ivanson: I like xfce4 myself
[11:57] <Curlydave> g14: so if I exit all and unsave it, I"m good?
[11:57] <Laforge> says could not find package php4
[11:57] <nuOpus> lol
[11:57] <ys76> TriniTriggs, Have a look at yours and change ext3 to reiser
[11:57] <batma8> g14: how do i move stuff in the folder when im in terminal
[11:57] <ivanson> nuOpus: xfce with nautilus is nice :) i need icons ;)
[11:57] <pestilence> mattlins: how are you trying to run it?
[11:57] <nuOpus> ivanson: You should use vmware or qemm to try breezy in a virtual machine
[11:57] <g14> Curlydave: System -> Preferences -> Session
[11:57] <crimsun> ivanson: man apt_preferences. Pin the target distro's priority to > 1000.
[11:57] <mattlins> pestilence: It is a .bin file.  I try to execute it by typing sudo <netbeans.bin>
[11:57] <g14> batma8: use cp to copy and mv to move
[11:57] <ivanson> crimsun: great! thanks!
[11:58] <batma8> thank you
[11:58] <g14> ivanson: Did the autostart nautilus and gnome-volume-manager hack work out for you?
[11:58] <g14> ivanson: in xfce4
[11:58] <batma8> so how would i move stuff from desktop to another folder? is it like windos?
[11:58] <sbcl3> is ctrl alt f1 the command that kills the x server?
[11:58] <TriniTriggs> ys76: I'm trying to add a line for the Suse partition, so I put in reiser, and when I do a "sudo mount -a", the computer tells me that 'reiser' is an unkown filesystem
[11:58] <sbcl3> what's the quickest way to kill the x server than put it back up?
[11:58] <ivanson> g14: huh? nah i never hacked anything ;) i just started xfce4 session and started nautilus and wiolla it was there next time too :P
[11:58] <goldfish> ctrl + alt + backspace?
[11:58] <svmaris> sbcl3: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:58] <sbcl3> *restart x server
[11:58] <ys76> TriniTriggs, try modprobe reiserfs
[11:58] <goldfish> oh
[11:58] <Loevborg> TriniTriggs, it's reiserfs, is it not?
[11:58] <goldfish> hmm
[11:58] <sbcl3> okay
[11:59] <pestilence> mattlins: same thing for sudo sh netbeans.bin ?
[11:59] <novaflare> no go on dual displays
[11:59] <TriniTriggs> Loevborg: could be
[11:59] <ys76> TriniTriggs, Sorry, I thought it was reiser....
[11:59] <g14> ivanson: I'm thinking of someone else. nevermind :)
[11:59] <novaflare> something about cant make run time changes to res
[11:59] <pestilence> novaflare: you might have to make some more changes to your xorg.conf.  i certainly did.  i can show you mine.
[12:00] <ivanson> g14: np mate :)