=== seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-26-43.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] argh [12:11] polyp icks. === ilmari [ilmari@ritchie.ping.uio.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ilmari [ilmari@ritchie.ping.uio.no] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:26] good morning [12:26] morning [12:26] hello mdz [12:26] nice holiday mdz? [12:28] hi mdz [12:28] welcome back, mdz [12:29] hello mdz [12:29] Riddell: yes indeed [12:30] apart from a boatload of email, I am in good shape [12:45] hey mdz [12:49] fabbione: I have so much acpi crack for you [12:51] ehheeh === luis_ [~louie@c-66-31-46-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astharot [~isager@host25-161.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:56] ooh ooh acpi [12:56] hehe, when is the part of the show in which we give you root on our laptops and you test, fix, and commit changes upstream ;) [12:57] (or more realistically, LaptopMission could use a step-by step and check-off matrix === robertj idles a gbit === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-41-96.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj returns === mxpxpod [~bryan@wuw-9t27t034.dybb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aquarius [~aquarius@82-37-93-92.cable.ubr04.dudl.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] I had a thought: it would be handy for people to be able to sign up to shipit and say "send me one CD every time there's a new release", so they stay up to date. [01:21] aquarius: it would be but it would also cost more [01:21] Especially given the very nice "This is an Ubuntu CD; do you want to upgrade?" prompt you get when you put an Ubuntu CD in. [01:21] But I don't know whether shipit is built for that sort of thing or more as the hub of a grassroots distribution network... [01:22] robertj: ah, yeah, thought so. === luis_ is now known as lu|dinner [01:25] robertj: its meant to promote grassroots stuff - thats why we ship boxes of 10 ;) [01:25] so that you give it to your friends. .. [01:25] lifeless: I do order 10 ;) [01:25] (still waiting) [01:26] heh === aquarius nods. OK, that makes sense (and that was what I thought might be the case). [01:26] there are a lot of orders to fill [01:26] (no biggy) === Robinho_Peixoto [~robinho@200217079171.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jarjar_must_die [~CoreTex@adsl-69-110-36-51.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zeedo [~zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === henriquemaia [~henriquem@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-137-77-155.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-137-77-155.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [~milli@phantom.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [KaiL@p548F7E18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-67-172-195-57.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Robinho_Peixoto [~robinho@200217079171.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~Andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:35] xfonts-utils broken in hoary for everyone else ? [03:35] what's wrong with -utils? [03:35] breeeeeeeeeeeezy. [03:36] breezy sorry [03:36] oh man im sleepy lol [03:37] daniels, its just not cruising along and upgrading like everything else [03:38] i'll go check whats holding it back. something isnt provided yet [03:38] ha ha [03:38] http://www.whiprush.org/2005/05/were_our_own_wo.html [03:38] thom: ^ [03:38] AndyFitz: expect fun with breezy [03:39] WAIT, I'LL BANG TWO ROCKS TOGETHER AND CALL IT SECURITY SUPPORT! === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] ajmitch, im a sucker for punishment. breaking and unbreaking is fun :-) [03:40] AndyFitz: yeah, I've just been playing the unbreak my X game [03:40] ajmitch, let me know how it goes for you. i'll be doing that soon [03:40] well the X server still runs :) [03:40] AndyFitz: telling that it to easy ;) [03:41] is.. [03:41] jesus [03:41] why on earth is the extension API changing a SECURITY UPDATE, anyway? === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:42] ajmitch: so, don't upgrade to xorg-common -15 [03:42] or wherever it was that /usr/bin/X11 became a directory [03:42] ajmitch, you're an important step ahead of me. i'll get x to work once i sort out this xutils thing [03:42] Bad Things Happen [03:42] wait [03:42] daniels: far too late for that.. /usr/bin/X11 disappeared [03:42] AndyFitz: xutils, or xfonts-utils? [03:42] ajmitch: sweet [03:42] ajmitch: You got it to run? wow [03:43] a symlink got it back for now until things are shifted [03:43] daniels, nboth, xutils is broken because xfonts-utils isnt there to be upgraded also [03:44] ajmitch: What voodoo made it run? I've done the /usr/bin/X11 symlink [03:44] Amaranth: and updating the font paths in xorg.conf [03:44] fairly minor fixes [03:44] where are fonts at now? [03:45] maybe gdmflexiserver is just messed up, but i don't want to restart X to find out :) [03:45] I think it is [03:45] or Xnest is [03:45] ah, time to run to work :) [03:45] xnest worked fine for me [03:47] so where are the fonts now? [03:47] cya ajmitch [03:47] AndyFitz: oh, I see [03:48] elmo: xfonts-utils needs to be in main when it hits the archive === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-229-188-97.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] nothing like a nice hardlock to make you fix X [03:53] that was...fun [03:54] lol [03:55] gdmflexiserver + Ctrl-F8 == dead [03:55] not going to try to reproduce :) === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] ok, i lied. I tried to reproduce but since X works now it didn't do anything. [03:57] Amaranth, how did you get x to work. what simlinks needed to be setup ? [03:58] ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/ /usr/bin/X11 is all i needed [03:58] morning [03:58] plus i had to manually edit my xorg.conf because it was trying to use "Generic Mouse" and "Configured Mouse" but I only had the latter [03:58] the fonts thing wasn't an issue, the fonts seem to exist in both places for now [03:59] radness. okay thanks. i'll have a go brb === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === A_Alam [~a_alam@202.41.228.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ghpolo [~polo@201.3.85.68] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] last dist-upgrade removed x-window-system ? [04:06] so don't do that [04:06] me ? [04:06] if a dist-upgrade wants to remove something that looks like it's essential, don't dist-upgrade [04:07] ah ok, it was with me ;p [04:07] daniels b0rk muh x0rgz [04:07] :'( === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gyroform [~foo@129.142.34.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:20] g'day again [04:20] hi andy [04:21] tseng, how goes mate ? [04:21] good thanks === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:23] ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/ /usr/bin/X11 didnt work. i had to create /usr/bin/X11 why would this now change anything [04:23] `anthony: really there? [04:24] speaking from damn centericq again :-P, im guessing it has nothing to do with my previous xfonts-utils / xutils issue [04:25] nope, different issue [04:26] yes AndyFitz === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:26] it changed several files [04:26] same here [04:28] funky, also X is not executable but when i chmod 777 X it doesnt do anything [04:28] doing a simple ln worked for me [04:29] ghpolo, what ln did you create ? [04:29] ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin /usr/bin/X11 === luis_ [~louie@c-66-31-46-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:30] ghpolo, yeah thats been created [04:30] bugger, no idea why X isnt executable or wanting to be [04:30] so strange [04:30] after I did X worked again normally [04:30] the X is red in console i have no idea what perm red is [04:30] it is broken link usually [04:33] strange. i tried again but the file exists [04:33] /etc/X11/X should be pointing to /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg [04:33] (for the time being) [04:33] it does here [04:33] is that X red ? [04:33] and Xorg exists ? [04:33] ln: '/usr/bin/X11//bin': file exists [04:34] that is wrong [04:34] it shouldnt create a file named bin [04:35] it should link the dir /usr/X11R6/bin as /usr/bin/X11 [04:36] daniels: so 'ln -s /etc/X11/X /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg' ? === BeerDump [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:36] other way around? [04:36] other way [04:36] ok thanks [04:36] anyways, what did you do to break your system so much ? ;p [04:36] im using the latest dist-upgrade as breezy [04:37] file exists on that one too [04:37] what shows when you do ls -l /etc/X11/X ? [04:37] ghpolo, yeah likewise mate [04:38] maybe you did something wrong trying to fix startx after last dist-upgrade and broke something [04:38] im not sure about what you did [04:39] etc/X11/X in red -> usr/bin/X11/Xorg [04:39] uh [04:39] that is a problem [04:39] what ls -l /usr/bin/X11/Xorg shows ? [04:40] red color is a broken link [04:40] meaning Xorg doesnt exist ;/ [04:40] or is somehow pointing to wrong place [04:40] i hadnt created any other simlinks asde from 'ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/ /usr/bin/X11' and for that it required me to make the dir X11 in /usr/bin i thought that was kinda odd [04:41] yes it is strange [04:41] maybe you had the directory X11 before ? [04:41] and then it tried to link /usr/bin/X11/bin ? [04:42] xorg does exist and yeah x has always been in /etc/X11/X [04:43] hmm [04:43] so you didnt do the last dist-upgrade ? [04:43] this machines install has only existed since test1 of hoary so it wont have any Xf86 artifacts or anything [04:43] it removed x-window-system and x-window-system-core [04:43] ghpolo, i did do the latest dist-upgrade [04:43] i did aswell [04:43] guys, just be careful with dist-upgrade - use -u and watch what it's doing [04:44] then you won't get into pickles like this [04:44] i believe you somehow forced a wrong link AndyFitz [04:44] but im not totally sure [04:44] if you created an X11 dir in /usr/bin you're already off [04:44] ghpolo, the only links created manually by myself have been pasted here [04:45] hmm [04:45] ls /usr/bin/X11 shows what ? [04:45] the same as /usr/X11R6/bin ? [04:45] X11 was supposed to be a symlink to the /usr/X11R6/bin dir [04:45] yes [04:45] but last dist-upgrade removed that [04:45] jdub, i'll watch it from now on obviously ;-) thanks [04:45] so i remade it [04:46] ghpolo: I know, I'm telling AndyFitz :) [04:46] no problem [04:47] ghpolo ls /usr/bun/X11 shows a cyan 'bin' [04:48] ah [04:48] you did wrong link then ^^ [04:48] you could remove this link at /usr/bin/X11/ [04:48] then remove /usr/bin/X11 [04:48] and try ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin /usr/bin/X11 again [04:48] how do i remove the wrong link ? [04:48] rm link [04:48] rm [04:49] so rm link /usr/bin/X11 ? [04:49] that is a directory i suppose [04:49] do rm /usr/bin/X11/bin [04:49] or just rm the dir [04:49] rmdir /usr/bin/X11 [04:49] then ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin /usr/bin/X11 [04:50] oh bugger, directory not empty. if i remove the contents will that damage the other side of the link ? [04:50] i think it will [04:50] it wont [04:50] rm /usr/bin/X11/bin first [04:50] then rmdir /usr/bin/X11 [04:50] rmdir /usr/bin/X11 returns an error : directory not empty [04:51] ok cool [04:51] rm -r [04:51] wait [04:51] dont do rm -r [04:51] maybe you did something else [04:51] and it could damage [04:51] remove the link inside it and try rmdir if it doesnt work check what else is there [04:52] ghpolo i didnt [04:52] i am pretty silly but not going to wipe the contents and hurt myself further. i did the order you just pasted [04:52] ok then [04:53] did you create the correct link ? [04:53] which link? no i havent yet [04:54] did you rmdir /usr/bin/X11 yet ? [04:54] yet or already ? [04:54] my english is bad [04:54] yes [04:54] so just do ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin /usr/bin/X11 [04:54] its gone without any grief, thank you [04:55] done [04:55] nice [04:55] am i also meant to create another link for xorg ? [04:55] everything should be right now [04:56] sweet. okay i'll check it out [04:57] thanks ghpolo, cheers amaranth [04:57] no problem ^^ === Amaranth goes back to loving etiquette :) [04:57] i'll watch myself from now on :) === ghpolo [~polo@201.3.85.68] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-082-082-201-232.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-67-187-79-179.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === schweeb [~chris@schweeb.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:38] someone know a mail client or somehow did a plugin or filter to separate messages by threads ? [05:41] font paths :-/ lol === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-Devel [] === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:42] okay font paths need to be changed :-/ [05:42] cant find fixed font ? === jay [~jay@208.60.223.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:43] USR/LIB/X11/FONTS/ ? [05:43] what is says ? [05:43] cant find fixed fonts ? [05:43] AndyFitz: change /usr/lib/X11/fonts references to /usr/share/X11/fonts [05:45] daniels: ta mate. [05:46] wootage!!! [05:47] daniels: if I may ask, is there an ETA for packages that aren't busted? :) [05:47] thanks heaps. its crusing along gdm is up. time to kill the console apps === luis_ waits for daniels to beat him [05:47] luis_: the current packages are fine [05:47] luis_: it's just teaching you a lesson if you've decided to customise your config :P [05:47] hehe [05:47] http://www.cebit.com.au/images/logos/frontbanner.jpg [05:47] "no, that's why i made the mistake of getting plastic surgery - I AM NOT A MONSTER!!!" [05:48] ah, so if I haven't fucked with anything, I'm find? [05:48] fine? [05:48] luis_: sort of :P [05:48] luis_: when you're upgrading, just use 'apt-get upgrade -u' [05:48] luis_: and every now and then use dist-upgrade -u [05:48] luis_: this lets you track exactly what is going to be added/removed [05:48] and keeps you safe most of the time === luis_ uses synaptic [05:49] except for when daniel mucks something up *in* a package :) === luis_ is mostly convinced apt/dpkg suck [05:49] lies! [05:49] apt rules. IMO [05:49] i agree with luis_ [05:49] apt/dpkg are better than anything else that exists. so if it sucks it sucks the least :) [05:49] no offense, but, like, the command line options, the fact that one can't install local packages, the other can, etc., etc. [05:49] I could go on for ever [05:50] synaptic doesn't buy you anything more than apt, it just makes it harder for you to see what's going on in your *devel branch* os :) [05:50] luis_: somebody posted a script to the devel mailing list for integrating all the commands into one if that's your thing [05:50] I was just about to mention that [05:50] luis_: those are pretty irrelevant in this instance [05:50] jdub: it's *gasp* easy to use [05:50] try smart [05:51] luis_: easy to use isn't helpful when it doesn't stop you from too-easily breaking your system [05:51] you've probably clicked "smart upgrade, don't ask me again", too. [05:51] I have [05:51] and why 'stupid' (implicitly) is an option, I'm not sure [05:51] because the guy who chose the terms didn't learn english first [05:52] apt/dpkg uses the cat/grep/head/tail etc... philosophy... small utilities with one duty that can be used in conjunction with each other [05:52] AFAICT, one is 'get the dependencies right', and the other is 'don't bother to get the dependencies right' [05:52] luis_: nup [05:52] luis_: dist-upgrade will add and remove willy-nilly to resolve an upgrade. [05:53] luis_: upgrade is more conservative. [05:53] i recommend using upgrade in the general case [05:53] (which is why the common occurance of "smart upgrade, don't ask me again" is so bad) [05:53] I always check what is being done before hitting OK in synaptic [05:53] I'm not braindead [05:54] else I'd have been screaming in here about my missing tomboy weeks ago :) [05:54] its the software's fault, not yours [05:55] don't worry [05:55] I place all the blame on the software :) [05:55] (but largely unrelated to facile problems with apt) [05:55] you're assuming i'm not, thus the point [05:55] I have no particularly deeply held opinions about apt; I mean the infrastructure may or may not be in place to make a fine tool. [05:56] (the red-carpet team had strong opinions about that, but I don't really respect their judgment on the matter :) [05:56] but, yeah... apt-get/dpkg as a combo feel like a substantial step backward from the design/flexibility/usability of rug. It's really the only thing I miss right now from rh+ximian or suse+ximian. [05:57] Ubuntu Upgrade Manager does a normal upgrade [05:57] er, Update Manager, whatever it's called :) [05:57] and it prompts you to go use Synaptic if it'll break dependencies [05:57] (I had that happen to me the other day) [05:58] try smartpm === luis_ apt-get installs [06:00] hrm [06:00] smart does, uh, not do what I want it to [06:03] smart needs config out of the box [06:03] warty still has security support, right? [06:03] daniels: absolutely [06:04] sweet [06:04] i was just doing my regular dist-upgrade on a fd.o box running warty and thought I should make quadruply sure :) === luis_ gives up for tonight [06:06] should gcc-3.3 still be in main? === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:15] jdub: it'll fall out when nothing build-depends on it anymore [06:16] ok === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-69.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:29] mdz: welcome back, btw :) [06:29] mdz: good break? === Lathiat_ is now known as Lathiat === Xof [~crhodes@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea1-4-4-043-090.sea1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:57] morning [06:58] hi === mako [mako@micha.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ghpolo [~polo@201.3.85.68] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:04] can you put a pci card in a pci-e slot? [07:04] is someone able to compile xen-unstable using latest breezy upgrade ? === HrdwrBoB [~matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:05] jdub: don't believe so [07:06] daniels: how broken is X today? [07:06] http://www.gen-x-pc.com/pci_basic.htm says "yes", jdub [07:06] daniels: meaning.. can i upgrade and still work or will i be doomed to death? [07:06] just some links to be done fabbione I believe [07:06] that is what I did [07:07] crimsun: hrm, rad :) [07:07] hrm [07:07] it says driver compatible [07:07] not seeing hardware compat [07:07] about halfway down the page [07:08] "PCI-Express slots will also accept older PCI cards, which will help them become popular more quickly than they would if everyone's PCI components were suddenly useless." [07:08] ahr, indeed [07:08] cool [07:09] was just looking at this: [07:09] http://global.shuttle.com/Product/Barebone/SN25P.asp [07:09] looks very tasty [07:10] oh yeah [07:10] i have seen them in some shops here around === hunger [~hunger@p54A63EFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:13] fabbione: don't know. try it and see. ;) [07:13] fabbione: might need to change the /etc/X11/X symlink [07:14] compare the pci/pci-e connectors.. no way to put a pci card on a pci-e slot ;) [07:14] daniels: dselect output is scary.. i guess i will wait a bit and work in chroot :) [07:19] heh :) [07:20] tepsipakki: depends on how many lanes [07:20] it can physically fit in an x16, but not in an x1 [07:20] oh [07:21] http://sys.us.shuttle.com/XP17.aspx [07:21] ^ that's nice too [07:22] elmo: any chance I can find out what B-Ds on a) libxp-dev, b) lesstif-dev? [07:23] daniels: but the card would go in reversed (the short part of the connector is on the other end) ;) [07:24] hmmh, actually isn't [07:24] oh f.., it is [07:24] wrong picture.. === funkmeister [~pd@eth779.vic.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === torkel__ is now known as torkel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ahuman01 [~ahuman01@141.152.253.158] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] hi. [08:18] I was wondering what would be the best way to get a universe package rebuild ? [08:19] you can't get rebuilds, only upload new source versions [08:19] and universe stuff -> #ubuntu-motu [08:19] they take care of all the unvierse packages [08:19] hardware-monitor, which i maintain for debian, seems broken in breezy. [08:19] Oh, [08:19] YAC :/ [08:19] i think freenode is refusing me to subscribe to so many channels :/ [08:20] 08:15 [freenode] -!- Cannot join to channel #ubuntu-motu (You have joined to too many channels) [08:20] oh well. [08:20] you can join it, just not all at once [08:20] it's to prevent bot floods, i think [08:21] Amaranth: yeah. [08:21] Amaranth: still doesn't help me, since i don't think one of the channels i have open now i can dispense with. [08:22] you should be able to join it now [08:22] it just doesn't let you join a whole crap load at once, iirc [08:23] Amaranth: not. [08:23] Amaranth: i only joined this ones, the other where joined since days. [08:23] but i am on the ppc devel channels, some debian ones, 4 ubuntu ones, and the pegasos support channels. [08:24] odd [08:24] i've been in about a dozen channels before [08:24] i think the barrier is beyond a dozen :) [08:25] ok, breakfast time. [08:26] 20 is the limit [08:27] hrm , is anything happening to esd ? [08:28] i thought it got replaced by polypaudio [08:28] no [08:29] wasn't quite ready in time for hoary [08:29] polyp got pulled about a month before release [08:29] iirc === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] hey pitti [08:43] Morning [08:47] schweeb, so whats happening between the two in breezy ? [08:48] is it just me or is ubuntu using dmix by default now [08:48] AndyFitz: potential to use polyp [08:48] Lathiat: ick, no [08:48] I say this because the esd sound quality is atrocious in breezy === Lathiat wonders why the hell his system is then [08:49] (and its not working very well, although ive had it working fine, but i have no alsa config files) [08:49] i thought the plan for breezy was to use dmix when we could [08:49] AndyFitz: esd sound quality is atrocious everywhere [08:49] daniels: the fonts are in /usr/share/X11/fonts, even with -12, is that as you would expect ? [08:49] lol I agree schweeb , only this time its outdone itself. rhythmbox won't play without esd, and its pouring out some really interesting sounds along with playback [08:49] I seem to recall hearing recent stirrings of DMIX, but jdub would probably know better than I would [08:50] AndyFitz: Did you try telling gstreamer to use alsa? [08:50] AndyFitz: RhythmBox uses gstreamer [08:50] schweeb: it's on the "to try" list for sound infrastructure spec [08:50] but it's spew [08:50] AndyFitz: open the gst config tool, and switch from ESD to alsa [08:50] you'll have to restart rhythmbox [08:51] jdub: I've had mixed results with it [08:51] once when I set it up, all of my stuff played at like 1.25x speed [08:51] heh [08:51] haha [08:51] danm [08:51] rhythmbox won't play without esd running, schweeb yeah I can change that. just don't know what mutated esd [08:51] oops, wrong chan === Amaranth hugs sound cards that don't suck [08:52] schweeb: mixed results, eh? that sounds like the optimal outcome. :-) [08:52] you're punny :p [08:52] anyone know of a program suitable for quickly browsing through multi-page tiff files? [08:53] Micksa: build the very latest evince [08:53] didn't support for tiff files get added to evince? [08:53] Micksa: evince [08:53] evince is becoming our Preview :) [08:53] ta [08:53] Micksa: or wait for sebuild to get to it when he wakes up [08:53] either that or gFaxView or whatever it's called (maybe) [08:53] Amaranth: only i've yet to convince jrb to integrate static image viewing too [08:53]