| ogra | they will have linux for it ;) | 12:02 |
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| tseng | hm yeah? | 12:02 |
| tseng | ogra: that would rock so hard | 12:02 |
| Mithrandir | I would be surprised if xbox didn't run some windows version, really. | 12:02 |
| tseng | ogra: ms embedded linux | 12:02 |
| ogra | hehe | 12:02 |
| Mithrandir | that'd be scary; I'm really worried of MS using linux as the core and putting a proprietary GUI on it. | 12:02 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: it just seems like it took them forever to even make it 64 bit compatible on a somewhat compatible cpu | 12:03 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: not really, you get ia64-enabled windows. | 12:03 |
| tseng | im sure they *could* do it on ppc | 12:03 |
| Amaranth | Mithrandir: The Xbox uses a Win2k kernel. | 12:03 |
| Amaranth | And Direct X, from what I've heard. | 12:03 |
| Mithrandir | Amaranth: we're talking about xbox 360 here. | 12:03 |
| ogra | Amaranth, on ppc ? | 12:03 |
| Mithrandir | not the xbox 1. | 12:04 |
| Amaranth | well, the NT kernel is highly portable... | 12:04 |
| ogra | hmm | 12:04 |
| Mithrandir | or so they claim. It's less portable than it was. | 12:04 |
| ogra | if portable means i can transport it on a floppy, then i agree.... | 12:05 |
| tseng | hah | 12:05 |
| Mithrandir | USB sticks are more portable than floppies. :P | 12:05 |
| ogra | lol | 12:05 |
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| Cybermagellan | Are there any specific guidlines/responisbilities to being a MOTU? | 12:06 |
| crimsun | I still love floppy diskettes, though | 12:06 |
| crimsun | Cybermagellan: yes, it's outlined on the wiki | 12:07 |
| Cybermagellan | Yeah I am reading it....just wondering anything really specific | 12:07 |
| crimsun | the recruitment page and the membership/maintainership pages should cover most of it | 12:08 |
| Cybermagellan | I'm reading http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUTeams any other page I should read? | 12:08 |
| crimsun | start with MOTU and branch from there | 12:08 |
| tseng | Teams is a bit different | 12:08 |
| ogra | yay, herve finally has tulip building | 12:08 |
| tseng | and doesnt require actually being a motu | 12:08 |
| tseng | to participate | 12:08 |
| crimsun | yeah, anyone can join a Team | 12:09 |
| ogra | Cybermagellan, MOTURecruitment or MOTUGettingInvolved | 12:09 |
| tseng | this usb hub is bogus | 12:10 |
| tseng | it keeps droping my usb hd and remount it | 12:10 |
| tseng | hm openbsd has a port for my sgi o2 | 12:15 |
| Cybermagellan | is there a MOTU for Firefox/Thunderbird? | 12:16 |
| crimsun | no | 12:16 |
| crimsun | both of them are in main | 12:17 |
| crimsun | we only take care of universe (with a couple exceptions: ogra, dholbach, and others soon can upload to main) | 12:17 |
| Cybermagellan | So those packages are maintained by who? | 12:18 |
| crimsun | by MOM | 12:18 |
| Cybermagellan | MOM? | 12:18 |
| crimsun | masters of main | 12:18 |
| crimsun | no one person claims ownership, though certainly some people have their active packages | 12:18 |
| crimsun | in this way, it's different from Debian | 12:19 |
| Cybermagellan | Right... | 12:19 |
| tseng | you can make a team for stuff in main | 12:19 |
| tseng | just fix bugs and send them to the maintainer | 12:19 |
| crimsun | yeah, patches are always welcome :) | 12:20 |
| Cybermagellan | I don't know much about programming in Linux...and am new to Ubuntu...however I do know a good bit about project management....anything that I can do? Or should aim to? | 12:20 |
| tseng | well i was thinking the other day | 12:21 |
| tseng | we could probably use someone in a management capacity to triage/manage bugs | 12:21 |
| tseng | mdz seems to be the only one doing it atm | 12:21 |
| tseng | and he has more important things to be working on for sure | 12:21 |
| crimsun | well to be fair, we're all supposed to be doing that ;) | 12:22 |
| tseng | eh. | 12:22 |
| Cybermagellan | Well I do project management for another company....so it's some experience I have | 12:22 |
| tseng | so where is the "unassigned bugs" stored query | 12:23 |
| crimsun | oh you mean the pile of stuff I haven't even looked at? ;) | 12:23 |
| crimsun | bradb would probably know | 12:23 |
| tseng | yeah | 12:23 |
| tseng | i meant on bugzilla | 12:23 |
| crimsun | oh, no clue | 12:23 |
| tseng | malone doesnt even grok the word query | 12:23 |
| ivoks | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AnteKaramatic - does this looks ok? :) | 12:23 |
| tseng | (i know, he's fixing it) | 12:24 |
| tseng | ivoks: yes | 12:24 |
| tseng | ivoks: can you list cxx packages youve touched? | 12:25 |
| crimsun | ivoks: my only suggestion is to list all the CXX packages you've worked with | 12:25 |
| tseng | crimsun++ | 12:25 |
| ivoks | uh... | 12:25 |
| crimsun | (yeah, even if it's a bunch, it helps the tech board grasp the scope of your involvement) | 12:25 |
| ivoks | sources or packages? :) | 12:25 |
| tseng | either is fine in this case | 12:25 |
| ivoks | that's over 20 packages | 12:26 |
| crimsun | that's cool, list 'em all | 12:26 |
| tseng | definately | 12:26 |
| crimsun | again, this is good for the TB | 12:26 |
| tseng | it will *really* help if you go for MOTU | 12:26 |
| tseng | to have a huge list of packages already fixed up | 12:26 |
| tseng | that rocks. | 12:26 |
| Amaranth | hey, i think it's been two weeks since the thing about mono was put in the topic ;) | 12:28 |
| tseng | damn | 12:29 |
| tseng | well | 12:29 |
| tseng | im blocked by dbus and maybe cxx to fix the rest | 12:29 |
| tseng | so it still applies :) | 12:29 |
| Amaranth | yeah, libdbus-cil would pretty much have to be rewritten, wouldn't it? | 12:29 |
| tseng | erm, no | 12:29 |
| tseng | just that mono has to move to main | 12:29 |
| tseng | so we can build the bindings in the dbus source package | 12:30 |
| tseng | you cant pull build-deps to main from universe without seeding them | 12:30 |
| tseng | it will FTBFS | 12:30 |
| Amaranth | oh, libdbus-cil supports 0.33? | 12:30 |
| tseng | yes | 12:30 |
| tseng | i am already running it all | 12:30 |
| Amaranth | cool | 12:30 |
| Amaranth | it's there a special TB meeting coming up about that? | 12:31 |
| tseng | not "special" | 12:31 |
| tseng | just voting on letting me upload to main | 12:31 |
| tseng | and dholbach too | 12:31 |
| crimsun | that's a no-brainer "yes", really | 12:31 |
| crimsun | even elmo thinks so | 12:31 |
| tseng | heh | 12:31 |
| tseng | no way elmo wants me anywhere near uploading | 12:32 |
| tseng | i can hear him screaming across the atlantic. | 12:32 |
| Amaranth | haha | 12:33 |
| ajmitch | morning | 12:33 |
| tseng | hi | 12:33 |
| Cybermagellan | Well hey guys thanks for that information...I think I'll stick around | 12:34 |
| tseng | great | 12:34 |
| Cybermagellan | Hey travis | 12:34 |
| ivoks | there... now is complete :) | 12:34 |
| ajmitch | uploading to main is like a dream of mine ;) | 12:34 |
| tseng | hm ive been using gnome-terminal for 2 days now without screaming | 12:35 |
| tseng | thats a new record | 12:35 |
| ajmitch | I had to switch away | 12:35 |
| tseng | i hate this thing | 12:35 |
| ajmitch | seems that it was causing or exposing a nice X leak | 12:36 |
| tseng | everytime you resize it, screen is permafucked | 12:36 |
| tseng | screen as in gnu screen | 12:36 |
| crimsun | yeah, I hate that. | 12:36 |
| ivoks | time to sleep | 12:36 |
| ivoks | bye all | 12:36 |
| ivoks | thanks for help | 12:36 |
| crimsun | np | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | bye ivoks | 12:36 |
| tseng | ctrl+l and reset are useless | 12:36 |
| crimsun | have to detach and reattach | 12:36 |
| tseng | ya | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | seemed to work ok for me | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | ^A F | 12:36 |
| tseng | oh yeah? | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | tell screen to resize | 12:37 |
| tseng | that prints "flow" | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | not ^A ^F | 12:37 |
| tseng | well in that case | 12:37 |
| tseng | i get the same thing | 12:38 |
| crimsun | I always have to reattach | 12:38 |
| tseng | yeah | 12:38 |
| tseng | ill grab urxvt one of these days | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | using uxterm at the moment | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | X seems to have stopped growing | 12:39 |
| crimsun | that's interesting, since xterm is often cited as a hog | 12:39 |
| crimsun | ;) | 12:39 |
| Mithrandir | pterm's nice | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: it works as a temporary measure ;) | 12:40 |
| tseng | hm thats trippy | 12:40 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: absolutely. I use it occasionally | 12:40 |
| ajmitch | Mithrandir: great, seems to work better than uxterm, too :) | 12:40 |
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| Amaranth | ajmitch: Did you ever get X working? | 12:57 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: haven't shut it down yet | 12:58 |
| Amaranth | heh | 12:58 |
| Amaranth | someone on the forums claims to have gotten it working with a little symlink action and a reconfigure, i asked for more details | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | /usr/bin/X11 seems to have disappeared, so I'lll wait for an upgrade or two | 12:58 |
| Amaranth | wow, yeah | 12:59 |
| Amaranth | that's not good | 12:59 |
| Amaranth | ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/ /usr/bin/X11/ ? | 01:00 |
| ogra | just do a reconfigure and let it generate a new config, that should be enough | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | ogra: I think the /usr/bin/X11 problem is more than config :) | 01:01 |
| ogra | nopwe | 01:01 |
| ogra | these paths have to go, thats the essential part of the X modularization | 01:02 |
| ogra | http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/XRoadmap | 01:02 |
| Amaranth | I thought /usr/bin/X11 was the new path | 01:03 |
| ogra | nope, X and all apps will be in the default bin path (read /usr/bin/) eventually | 01:05 |
| ajmitch | great, I've got a set of debdiffs now but some of them are just too big | 03:37 |
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| abarbaccia | hey all - do the motu support the multiverse as well? | 04:04 |
| tseng | yes | 04:07 |
| abarbaccia | okay - can i sudgest something then? | 04:13 |
| abarbaccia | ubuntu is becoming increasingly popular for mythtv uses (PVR type thing - im sure you're familiar) - we have an old version of myth and I think we should change it | 04:14 |
| crimsun | url? | 04:15 |
| tseng | abarbaccia: eh | 04:17 |
| tseng | abarbaccia: we have the latest version, dude. I think you misunderstand our release proceedures | 04:17 |
| abarbaccia | can you clarify | 04:19 |
| abarbaccia | because the latest version is 0.18.1, we have 0.17 | 04:19 |
| tseng | we make releases every since months | 04:19 |
| tseng | when that release is out, no updates go in besides secuirty | 04:19 |
| abarbaccia | okay, well I understand that | 04:19 |
| tseng | we start the next branch | 04:19 |
| tseng | so, that branch has newer upstream | 04:20 |
| abarbaccia | is 0.18.1 in breezy yet? | 04:20 |
| tseng | 0.18 is for sure | 04:20 |
| abarbaccia | right now do you know? | 04:20 |
| Amaranth | breezy considered harmful | 04:20 |
| tseng | i said "0.18 is for sure" | 04:20 |
| tseng | thats right now what I know | 04:20 |
| abarbaccia | i run breezy on my other box - not too bad | 04:20 |
| Amaranth | nope, i'm seeing 0.17 | 04:20 |
| tseng | it was uploaded | 04:21 |
| tseng | weeks ago | 04:21 |
| abarbaccia | let me update my sources | 04:21 |
| tseng | check the build log | 04:21 |
| crimsun | indeed, 0.18-1 | 04:21 |
| abarbaccia | wow - ubuntu is my new god(ess) | 04:22 |
| Amaranth | 0.18 failed on all archs | 04:22 |
| tseng | then id expect now that mdz is back | 04:22 |
| tseng | at some point he will update it anf fix ftbfs | 04:23 |
| Amaranth | it's an X thing | 04:23 |
| tseng | ah right | 04:23 |
| Amaranth | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext | 04:23 |
| tseng | yeah X is fucked | 04:24 |
| Amaranth | i got X to actually run again | 04:24 |
| tseng | mine wont start | 04:24 |
| Amaranth | i had to, my system locked up | 04:24 |
| abarbaccia | whats that? 0.18 doesnt work as or now | 04:24 |
| abarbaccia | as of now | 04:24 |
| Amaranth | ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/ /usr/bin/X11 + a little xorg.conf editting got it working | 04:24 |
| Amaranth | it was trying to use "Generic Mouse" and "Configured Mouse" but I only have the latter | 04:25 |
| Amaranth | abarbaccia: Yeah, 0.18 failed to build because we're in the middle of massive changes to X. | 04:25 |
| crimsun | abarbaccia: check back in a month, things will be much better :) | 04:25 |
| Amaranth | btw, anyone know why lamont made the buildlogs use .bz2? | 04:26 |
| tseng | disk space | 04:26 |
| Amaranth | those don't open in firefox :/ | 04:26 |
| tseng | someone is working on that | 04:26 |
| abarbaccia | alright - sounds good - maybe I can be the one to repackage it if someone teaches me because i've been hanging in here trying to figure it out for a while but no success | 04:26 |
| Amaranth | i hope it isn't a patch to firefox, since i run nightlies :) | 04:26 |
| crimsun | I use wget + vi | 04:27 |
| crimsun | vim, sorry | 04:27 |
| tseng | good call | 04:27 |
| tseng | you could probably script the whole deal in curl | 04:27 |
| tseng | or even wget | bzmore | 04:27 |
| tseng | does piping stright to vim work? | 04:28 |
| crimsun | not really | 04:28 |
| crimsun | actually | 04:29 |
| crimsun | cat foo | vim - | 04:29 |
| ogra | http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/ | 04:31 |
| ogra | but beware the big ones ;) | 04:31 |
| ogra | night all | 04:31 |
| lamont | Amaranth: actually, they're all .gz as of yesterday or so... not going to switch the old ones to gz though. | 04:31 |
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| ajmitch | hi | 06:49 |
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| svenl | hi all. | 08:22 |
| Amaranth | hi | 08:23 |
| svenl | Hi. | 08:23 |
| svenl | Well, i think it would be good to restart a hardware-monitor upload, so it gets rebuild with the latest breezy gnome libs. | 08:24 |
| Amaranth | let's see how it failed | 08:25 |
| Amaranth | it didn't fail to build... | 08:26 |
| Amaranth | it just doesn't work? | 08:26 |
| \sh | moins | 08:48 |
| ajmitch | hi \sh | 08:48 |
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| blvszcz | helo | 08:50 |
| \sh | ah rafal :) | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | hi | 08:51 |
| \sh | welcome on board :) | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | one of your minions, \sh ? | 08:51 |
| blvszcz | hello steph | 08:51 |
| \sh | gentlemen, this is Rafal Zawadzki | 08:51 |
| blvszcz | eh sh :) | 08:51 |
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| \sh | he is admin of jabberpl.org, and dev of pyrss, a rss aggregator jabber component | 08:52 |
| \sh | and he wants to help us :) | 08:52 |
| blvszcz | right | 08:52 |
| \sh | blvszcz: short introduction is always nice :) | 08:52 |
| blvszcz | :) | 08:52 |
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| svenl | Amaranth: sure, it fails to work. It tells something about OAF-blah. | 09:21 |
| svenl | and pops up thousand of requesters. | 09:21 |
| svenl | Amaranth: well, not thousands, but 3 or something such, but i was not able to close one of them since it insisted on coming back. | 09:22 |
| svenl | Amaranth: i tried rebuilding it, and i believe it even fails to rebuild. | 09:31 |
| Amaranth | well, we're in the middle of both an X migration and a C++ migration so things fail to build all the time :) | 09:32 |
| svenl | Amaranth: sure. | 09:33 |
| svenl | Amaranth: but it will not by miracle be fixed all alone, i believe. | 09:33 |
| Amaranth | no, probably not | 09:34 |
| Amaranth | what's the error message? | 09:34 |
| svenl | I think the C++ migration or the rebuild of the gnome stuff may need someone looking into this and fixing it. | 09:34 |
| svenl | wait. | 09:34 |
| svenl | now cpufreq also stopped working :/ | 09:34 |
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| svenl | /usr/include/gconfmm-2.6/gconfmm/setinterface.h:42: attention : class Gnome::Conf::SetInterface has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor | 09:35 |
| svenl | preferences-window.cpp: In member function Monitor* PreferencesWindow::run_choose_monitor_window(const Glib::ustring&): | 09:35 |
| svenl | preferences-window.cpp:593: erreur: no match for operator* in *window | 09:35 |
| svenl | make[2] : *** [preferences-window.o] Erreur 1 | 09:35 |
| svenl | make[2] : quittant le rpertoire /home/sven/ubuntu/hardware-monitor/hardware-monitor-1.2/src | 09:35 |
| svenl | but then i have a couple of gnome libs on hold. | 09:36 |
| Amaranth | oh, it's a C++ app | 09:36 |
| svenl | it is indeed. | 09:36 |
| svenl | so probably cause by the c++ transition and the libgnome*mm stuff. | 09:36 |
| ajmitch | more fun | 09:36 |
| svenl | ah, and indeed, hardware-monitor was stopping those libgnome*mm packages to install. | 09:37 |
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| Amaranth | get those packages and try to rebuild again | 09:46 |
| svenl | Amaranth: fails in the same way. | 09:51 |
| svenl | oh, well, will probably forward this upstream. | 09:51 |
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| GheRivero | res people | 10:04 |
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| tseng | work time | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | ogra: remove config.* cruft from diffs? | 01:01 |
| \sh | hmmm...now I'm in the line of fire of the mpaa ;) | 01:05 |
| ajmitch | ? | 01:05 |
| \sh | i wrote a text about mpaa complaints | 01:06 |
| \sh | losing revenues cause of bittorrent ;) | 01:06 |
| Treenaks | \sh: ? | 01:07 |
| tseng | what we really need is some kind of study of people who use bt | 01:07 |
| Treenaks | \sh: blog? | 01:07 |
| tseng | vs people who actually go to the movies | 01:08 |
| tseng | im pretty confident that there isnt a huge overlap | 01:08 |
| \sh | Treenaks: yep...check on the p.u.c | 01:08 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: well, I do both. | 01:08 |
| \sh | tseng: the problem is different | 01:08 |
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| \sh | tseng: mpaa complains about a star wars III copy, ripped from a dvd.. | 01:09 |
| tseng | i mean.. how many people that use bt would go to the movies if there wasnt bt | 01:09 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: the sales which I am hurting is probably DVD sales, but I wouldn't buy DVDs anyhow. | 01:09 |
| tseng | i download music and buy a ton of cds | 01:09 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: there you go | 01:09 |
| \sh | and those rips can only come from ppl who have the possibility to get them directly from the studies | 01:09 |
| tseng | thats my question | 01:09 |
| \sh | s/studies/studios/ | 01:09 |
| Treenaks | tseng: I wouldn't go more often.. same with music.. I won't buy more music if I can't also download | 01:09 |
| tseng | \sh: id imagine they have to be aware of that part | 01:09 |
| Mithrandir | I've stopped buying music because of DRM, mainly. | 01:09 |
| tseng | i wont buy online because of DRM for one | 01:10 |
| tseng | but more for lossy codecs | 01:10 |
| \sh | tseng: no...they're not seeing this problem...before they blame the "normal" people, they should blame themselves... | 01:10 |
| tseng | why would i pay the price for the ferrari and get a bmw | 01:10 |
| tseng | is what selling 128kps music says to me. | 01:10 |
| Mithrandir | that's not a BMW, it's a pair of socks. | 01:11 |
| Treenaks | Mithrandir: drm? I've got one CD with DRM, and I got it free with some concert tickets or something | 01:11 |
| tseng | well 128 aac is alot better than mp3 | 01:11 |
| Treenaks | Mithrandir: I haven't found DRM'ed "Real" CDs here yet | 01:11 |
| tseng | Treenaks: sacds are drm | 01:11 |
| Treenaks | tseng: sacd? | 01:11 |
| Mithrandir | Treenaks: DRM-ed disks != CDs, as a start. :) | 01:11 |
| tseng | and there have been several (failed) attempts to drm classic cds | 01:11 |
| \sh | sacds? | 01:12 |
| tseng | sacd is a 5.1 mix | 01:12 |
| tseng | + drm | 01:12 |
| Treenaks | tseng: do they play in plain/old CD players? | 01:12 |
| tseng | yes | 01:12 |
| tseng | as 2.1 | 01:12 |
| Treenaks | 2.0 probably | 01:12 |
| Mithrandir | Treenaks: then, I can't be arsed to check whether the discs I'm buying are DRM-ed or not, since they mostly contain some infinitely small mark somewhere on the case. Possibly. | 01:12 |
| tseng | they dont play at all in cdroms | 01:12 |
| Mithrandir | the net result is that I don't buy music. | 01:12 |
| \sh | the problem is, you can't copy them digitally ...but there is always the possibility to copy them analog...and for mp3 thats enough | 01:13 |
| Treenaks | tseng: I haven't seen any of those.. might be because I like music that's distributed by small labels :) | 01:13 |
| \sh | same appears to digital tv etc. | 01:13 |
| tseng | Treenaks: the nine inch nails - downward spiral rerelease was offered in sacd | 01:13 |
| tseng | but im with you on small labels | 01:13 |
| Treenaks | tseng: either that, or my dvd-rom drive just doesn't give a damn about "drm discs" | 01:14 |
| tseng | anyway, dont buy sacd you cant rip it to mp3 and enjoy it on your pc or portable or anything else | 01:14 |
| tseng | hooray for fair use | 01:14 |
| \sh | btw...has anybody the possibility to give me access to an amd64 box with a nice updated breezy chroot or pbuilder? | 01:14 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: sure. Do you have a key signed by a DD? | 01:15 |
| \sh | tseng: for what do i need 5.1 music for tankard music ;) | 01:15 |
| \sh | DD? | 01:15 |
| tseng | debian devel | 01:15 |
| \sh | no | 01:15 |
| tseng | any notable sigs? | 01:15 |
| \sh | ogras | 01:15 |
| tseng | that works | 01:15 |
| \sh | heheh | 01:15 |
| Mithrandir | sure, sign a mail, include you SSH public key, to: tfheen@err.no, cc maswan@acc.umu.se, include what you want as your user name and state that you'd like access to ravel. | 01:16 |
| Mithrandir | your, even. | 01:17 |
| \sh | https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/739 this bug is quite interessting | 01:17 |
| Treenaks | \sh: ask him to use debug-enabled binaries and libraries, and get a backtrace | 01:18 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: send :) | 01:25 |
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| crimsun | dang, and I was hoping for a straightforward fix to Debian#309216 :/ | 03:10 |
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| Treenaks | Has anyone created Ubuntu logo laptop stickers yet (like the Debian ones) | 03:40 |
| ogra | Treenaks, i'd buy them... create some ;) | 03:40 |
| Treenaks | DOH | 03:41 |
| \sh | ogra: u need to hit the top three of the most active bug resovlers ,-> | 03:43 |
| ogra | \sh, hmm, includingthe uploads i do for you ? | 03:44 |
| \sh | ogra: uploads? which packages? ,-) | 03:44 |
| ogra | \sh, i'm still busy with ivoks... yours are next | 03:46 |
| \sh | new packages or toreview? | 03:51 |
| \sh | new packages u can forget first :) | 03:51 |
| \sh | most of the stuff is c++ + kde | 03:52 |
| ogra | \sh, everythin thats on the CXXLibrary page and not uploaded yet | 03:52 |
| \sh | ogra: ah the bugs :) | 03:54 |
| ogra | we need to come to an end with this transition... | 03:54 |
| \sh | ogra: i have really difficulties with one library here....if you have time later on, lets have a look together on it | 03:55 |
| \sh | build-deps conflicts + shitty patches etc. | 03:55 |
| ogra | \sh, sure, but later... i'm in a meeting currently and afterwards i'll do the "low hanging fruit" upload... | 03:55 |
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| ogra | s | 03:55 |
| \sh | ogra: no problem | 03:56 |
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| GheRivero | res people | 04:22 |
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| \sh | time to go home | 04:51 |
| \sh | bbl | 04:51 |
| ivoks | bye | 04:52 |
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| GheRivero | res | 05:41 |
| \sh | re | 05:55 |
| \sh | ok..renewing chroot | 05:57 |
| \sh | hmmm | 06:12 |
| \sh | I: Validating libconsole | 06:12 |
| \sh | E: Couldn't download libdb1-compat | 06:12 |
| \sh | debootstrap 0.2.45ubuntu35 | 06:12 |
| \sh | for breezy | 06:13 |
| elmo | debootstrap needs fixed; file a bug | 06:14 |
| \sh | w8 | 06:14 |
| \sh | trying the new one | 06:14 |
| elmo | debootstrap | 0.2.45ubuntu35 | breezy | source, amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc | 06:15 |
| elmo | what new one? | 06:15 |
| \sh | looks like i have to update my hoary first | 06:16 |
| \sh | cause the new one has an unresolved dep on a glibc...w8 | 06:17 |
| \sh | if this is not working, i will do a debootstrap hoary and change apt-sources to breezy afterwars | 06:17 |
| \sh | +d | 06:17 |
| \sh | and file a bug :) | 06:17 |
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| \sh | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/59781 | 06:21 |
| \sh | wrong chan :( | 06:21 |
| DanielN | :) habs verstanden ^^ | 06:21 |
| \sh | very interessting anyways :) | 06:21 |
| DanielN | crazy guy | 06:22 |
| \sh | hormel? they're only holding the TM for software, namely screen savers | 06:23 |
| DanielN | yeah, i've read it | 06:23 |
| ogra | Spam | 06:24 |
| ogra | hehe | 06:25 |
| ogra | Spam | 06:25 |
| ogra | loool | 06:25 |
| \sh | ogra: it's a nice one...i think i will order some shirts ;) | 06:25 |
| DanielN | damn, theres a kernel update out ;( | 06:25 |
| \sh | ok debootstrap ubuntu35 is not working at all on hoary | 06:26 |
| ogra | \sh, and support these idiots ?? | 06:26 |
| \sh | ogra: no :) i will go to the next butcher and ask for shirts with "fruehstuecksfleisch(tm)" | 06:26 |
| \sh | debootstrap ubuntu35 needs libc6 2.3.4-1 | 06:27 |
| ogra | \sh, thats like patenting "a process to clean your ass with paper after you've been at the toilet" | 06:27 |
| DanielN | LOL | 06:27 |
| \sh | libc6 on hoary: 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 | 06:27 |
| ogra | and since the US has no prior art law anymore, you even could do it ;) | 06:28 |
| \sh | ogra: i should hurry and get a patent on it ;) | 06:28 |
| DanielN | US law is crazy anyway :) | 06:28 |
| ogra | yep... you would get very rich..... | 06:28 |
| ogra | except in arabia | 06:28 |
| \sh | and debootstrap ubuntu34 is broken :( | 06:29 |
| ogra | why do you use 34 ? | 06:30 |
| \sh | [18:27] <\sh> debootstrap ubuntu35 needs libc6 2.3.4-1 | 06:30 |
| \sh | [18:27] <\sh> libc6 on hoary: 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 | 06:30 |
| ogra | why do you buld _anything_ on hoary then ? | 06:30 |
| \sh | and i updated right now my hoary after a while ;) | 06:30 |
| \sh | i'm trying to get a chroot again ;) | 06:31 |
| ogra | we only do packages for breezxy | 06:31 |
| \sh | and those two debootraps are with breezy files | 06:31 |
| \sh | see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot | 06:31 |
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| DanielN | ugh .. i should "overthink" my when package again in this case :/ | 06:35 |
| \sh | i think ogra is right, at least for my laptop ;) after I get my 160gb usb2 hd I will build my chroot again ;) | 06:36 |
| \sh | ogra: schnucki, which bootstrap r u using on hoary for pbuilding breezy? ;) | 06:37 |
| \sh | *whizzle* | 06:37 |
| \sh | istribution is breezy. | 06:38 |
| \sh | Building the build environment | 06:38 |
| \sh | -> running debootstrap | 06:38 |
| \sh | E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/breezy.buildd | 06:38 |
| \sh | pbuilder: debootstrap failed | 06:38 |
| \sh | harhar ;) | 06:38 |
| ogra | \sh, the one that gets installed on buildtime... i dont need to look at it, pbuilder cares if i run pbuilder update regulary ;) | 06:38 |
| \sh | pbuilder depends on debootstrap ;) and the hoary doesn't know anything about breezy ;) so i need at least debootstrap ubuntu34 ;) | 06:38 |
| ogra | \sh, build a hoary pbuilder environment and update to brezy then | 06:38 |
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| ivoks | hi | 06:40 |
| \sh | if I have no work at all, i will create work for myself... | 06:41 |
| ivoks | :) | 06:41 |
| \sh | hmm..troll time on #ubuntu | 06:42 |
| ogra_d | \sh, against which version of libcorelinux is your patch ? i cant apply it... | 06:57 |
| \sh | 0.4.32-5 | 06:58 |
| \sh | the one from yesterday i think | 06:59 |
| ogra_d | hmm | 07:00 |
| ogra_d | oh... -p4 works, hehe | 07:01 |
| \sh | hu? | 07:01 |
| \sh | debdiff orig.dsc new.dsc | 07:01 |
| \sh | thats the result ;) | 07:01 |
| ogra_d | the path was a bit long... | 07:01 |
| ogra_d | didnt recognize it... | 07:01 |
| \sh | well | 07:02 |
| \sh | arkrpg will be my waterloo | 07:02 |
| ogra_d | lol, and i shouldnt expect patches to be applied after a --dry-run | 07:03 |
| \sh | I made something wrong? | 07:04 |
| ogra_d | nope, just my dumbness :) | 07:04 |
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| \sh | ogra: good to here ,) | 07:13 |
| \sh | but i think i missed one or two conflicts or replaces | 07:13 |
| \sh | I'm not sure | 07:14 |
| ogra | \sh, nope, its ok | 07:16 |
| \sh | ogra: there r more ;) | 07:16 |
| ogra | what i'm wondering is why you did put config.sub and .guess in dar | 07:20 |
| \sh | did I | 07:20 |
| \sh | moment | 07:20 |
| ogra | yep, in the patch... instead of copying them from /usr/share/misc and build-depend on autotools-dev | 07:21 |
| \sh | w8...u will get a new patch...this i didn't see sorry...:( | 07:22 |
| ogra | np | 07:22 |
| ogra | just update the bug :) | 07:23 |
| \sh | on it :) | 07:24 |
| \sh | what is the size of an main+universe mirror? | 07:25 |
| Amaranth | Source file is a bz2 but bzip2 or gzip not available at /usr/bin/dh_make line 409, <STDIN> line 2. <--what would this mean? | 07:29 |
| Lathiat | for i386, no sources, ~14G | 07:29 |
| thom | Amaranth: you've not got bzip2 installed? ;-) | 07:29 |
| Amaranth | yes | 07:29 |
| \sh | Lathiat: hmmm... | 07:29 |
| \sh | this is easy | 07:29 |
| ogra | Amaranth, build-depend on it :) | 07:30 |
| Amaranth | ogra: dh_make is giving this error | 07:30 |
| thom | ogra: dude, that's dh_make | 07:30 |
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| ogra | oops | 07:30 |
| \sh | hahaa | 07:30 |
| \sh | ogra: sudo apt-get install interdiff | 07:30 |
| Amaranth | well, i have a debian/ dir already, can i just make a foo.orig.tar.bz2 and run with it? | 07:30 |
| \sh | and I have config.sub in my diff | 07:31 |
| \sh | without interdiff it's working correctly | 07:31 |
| Amaranth | i mean, i have a debian/ dir i'm going to move in after dh_make | 07:31 |
| ogra | \sh, oki.... drop interdiff i would say :) | 07:31 |
| \sh | yeah | 07:31 |
| \sh | ogra: you're welcome to dwn the new patch :) | 07:33 |
| ogra | oki... | 07:33 |
| \sh | but strange behaviour i must say | 07:34 |
| ogra | err, did you submit it to #11046 ? | 07:36 |
| \sh | yeah | 07:37 |
| \sh | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=2493 | 07:37 |
| \sh | drop your browser cache...it's useless ;) | 07:38 |
| ogra | hmm... | 07:38 |
| ogra | i cant.... :( | 07:38 |
| \sh | ?? | 07:38 |
| \sh | should I dcc it to u? | 07:39 |
| ogra | thom, your dbg package is missing some functionallity ... | 07:39 |
| Amaranth | arg, i got a native package | 07:39 |
| thom | ogra: ym firefox-dbg? | 07:41 |
| ogra | yep | 07:41 |
| thom | yeah, i know | 07:41 |
| ogra | just upgrading to theregular package.... | 07:41 |
| thom | good luck ;-) | 07:41 |
| ogra | heh | 07:42 |
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| herve | hello fellow motus and motu-wanabee | 07:42 |
| ogra | hi herve | 07:42 |
| thom | i need to work out why it's crashy without debug but not with | 07:42 |
| herve | (wannabe? sounds better!) | 07:42 |
| \sh | hey herve | 07:42 |
| thom | most annoying | 07:42 |
| ogra | herve, "hopefuls" | 07:42 |
| \sh | ../../include/maps.h:33: error: an explicit specialization must be preceded by 'template <>' | 07:42 |
| \sh | aspseek | 07:43 |
| herve | ogra, for sure it's better than "full of illusions! | 07:43 |
| ogra | lol | 07:43 |
| ogra | do you really think we leave room for illusions ? | 07:43 |
| herve | I can't answer, I lost mine long ago | 07:44 |
| ogra | heh | 07:44 |
| \sh | argl...tomorrow is technical meeting right? | 07:44 |
| herve | when? (gmt please :-)) | 07:45 |
| ogra | only fo things that need mdz and couldnt get discussed last time | 07:45 |
| ogra | \sh, there is still a config.{sub,guess} in the patch, regardless in which browser i open it | 07:47 |
| ogra | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=2493 | 07:47 |
| \sh | ?? | 07:49 |
| \sh | i need sleep moment | 07:50 |
| herve | hibernation? :-) | 07:50 |
| \sh | i don't get it. | 07:51 |
| \sh | debdiff gives me this | 07:51 |
| \sh | but u see that i copied it from usr/share/misc | 07:52 |
| \sh | I'm really blind | 07:52 |
| ogra | \sh, copy it at build time (in debian/rules)... not into the patch ;) | 07:52 |
| \sh | ogra: it is | 07:53 |
| \sh | + cp /usr/share/misc/config.* . | 07:53 |
| \sh | in the configure section before configure | 07:53 |
| ogra | then delete these files from the source tree before diffing | 07:53 |
| herve | hmm... segfault with synaptic | 07:54 |
| \sh | ogra: and then debdiff will give you "- config.guess" ;) | 07:54 |
| ogra | hmm, true... so dont touch them at all... | 07:55 |
| \sh | ogra:funny thing? the first patch I didn't touch it in any ways | 07:55 |
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| \sh | argl | 08:00 |
| \sh | ifneq "$(wildcard /usr/share/misc/config.sub)" "" | 08:00 |
| \sh | cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub config.sub | 08:00 |
| \sh | endif | 08:00 |
| \sh | ifneq "$(wildcard /usr/share/misc/config.guess)" "" | 08:00 |
| \sh | cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.guess config.guess | 08:00 |
| \sh | endif | 08:00 |
| \sh | in clean: | 08:00 |
| \sh | moment | 08:00 |
| ogra | heh... crazy | 08:01 |
| ogra | but not as bad as poker3d | 08:01 |
| \sh | as i said, i'm blind :( | 08:02 |
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| \sh | and if anything goes straight, we will have another jabber guru on board :) | 08:04 |
| \sh | blvszcz: ping | 08:05 |
| \sh | i don't get it | 08:09 |
| \sh | ah | 08:11 |
| \sh | hehe | 08:11 |
| \sh | funny | 08:11 |
| \sh | orig.tar has after diff.gz no config.{guess,sub} | 08:12 |
| \sh | in the clean rule it creates them | 08:12 |
| \sh | thats why u have them in the diff | 08:12 |
| ogra | nope... your diff should only reflect _your_ changes, so they shouldnt show up there at all | 08:13 |
| \sh | give it now another shot...it's ugly but i will help | 08:13 |
| \sh | ogra: not my fault :) | 08:13 |
| ogra | heh | 08:14 |
| ogra | i dont care about any faults....just want to have that list done, to finally be able to do my actual work | 08:14 |
| ogra | without doko poking me all day :) | 08:14 |
| \sh | well.... | 08:15 |
| Amaranth | what list? | 08:15 |
| doko | ? | 08:15 |
| ogra | Amaranth, Cxx transition :) | 08:15 |
| Amaranth | isn't that, well, huge for universe? | 08:15 |
| ogra | nah, the libs page is pretty sure done this week... | 08:16 |
| Amaranth | wow | 08:16 |
| Amaranth | rock | 08:16 |
| Amaranth | then its just a matter of waiting for apps to rebuild/fixing apps so they rebuild? | 08:17 |
| \sh | aspseek is quite annoying and arkrpg can't be finished until I have a nice xorg and correct build-deps | 08:17 |
| ogra | as long as you guys go on to provide patches :) | 08:17 |
| Amaranth | heh | 08:17 |
| \sh | aspseek has no new patches since 2003 in the debian package and upstream | 08:17 |
| ogra | Amaranth, nope... the library names have changed... we need to touch every app once | 08:17 |
| Amaranth | i thought someone in debian had a bug report where they were supplying patches for all this stuff | 08:18 |
| \sh | Amaranth: i checked CxxUniverseBla | 08:18 |
| \sh | no debian patch at all | 08:18 |
| \sh | last bugs.debian.org entry from 2003 | 08:18 |
| \sh | and cvsview of this project is from my site not reachable | 08:18 |
| \sh | and when I'm done with pleasing ogra, i will take some other packages | 08:19 |
| ogra | \sh, then i would consider it _very_ stable ;) | 08:19 |
| Amaranth | or a dead project | 08:19 |
| \sh | the latter | 08:19 |
| ogra | thats the other name for it, yes ;) | 08:19 |
| \sh | if I can't reach it tomorrow from office, I will write an remark: DROP IT ;) | 08:20 |
| Amaranth | oh, i was supposed to wrap that in <sarcasm> tags, these things don't translate well | 08:20 |
| \sh | i give up | 08:22 |
| \sh | ok...last try for this minute ;) | 08:24 |
| \sh | and german devs running away from gentoo... | 08:25 |
| \sh | I think there is war in -core somewhere | 08:25 |
| ogra | tell them they are welcome here ;) | 08:26 |
| \sh | they won't come | 08:30 |
| \sh | shit | 08:34 |
| \sh | sorry | 08:34 |
| \sh | nagra is broken again :( no ppv....have to go... | 08:34 |
| \sh | bbl guys | 08:34 |
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| herve | Lathiat, ping | 08:38 |
| herve | wow, doko and ogra really trusted breezy-changes today! | 08:39 |
| herve | congrats for your good work, guys | 08:39 |
| ogra | herve, no way i could cope with dokos mass uploads ;) | 08:43 |
| herve | either he is not human, or he hired indian developers to work under hid name :-) | 08:45 |
| ogra | herve, i guess doko has a crowd of little helpers in the cabinet | 08:47 |
| herve | lamont, ping | 08:50 |
| lamont | ack | 08:51 |
| herve | given that report: http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/?show=http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/t/tulip/2.0.2-4ubuntu3/tulip_2.0.2-4ubuntu3_20050523-1656-ia64-failed.gz | 08:51 |
| herve | will it be tried again and again, I don't have anything to do but waiting? | 08:51 |
| ogra | as long as glut's package names dont change....dunnop if daniels has to touch them too | 08:52 |
| lamont | herve: I keep tossing lots of packages back. at some point, I'll give _everything_ back, and we'll see what really falls out | 08:53 |
| herve | lamont, ok there's a human behind it :-) | 08:53 |
| herve | thanks! | 08:53 |
| herve | er, another thing | 08:53 |
| herve | this package was never built on powerpc | 08:54 |
| herve | not even at the time of the sync with debian | 08:54 |
| lamont | herve: if the build actually gets to dpkg-buildpackage, and gets retried, there was a human involved. | 08:54 |
| lamont | (well, modulo SIGILL on ppc. :-) | 08:54 |
| herve | it's disorienting not to see any build report on powerpc :-) | 08:55 |
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| herve | ogra, you wanted to make your build log list compatible with IE? | 09:14 |
| ogra | herve, nope... | 09:15 |
| ogra | herve, what makes you think that ? | 09:15 |
| herve | the use of javascript for line highlighting | 09:16 |
| ogra | herve, doesnt it work in IE (i havent one around) ? | 09:16 |
| herve | it should | 09:16 |
| herve | try "tr:hover { background: ... | 09:16 |
| herve | less code, more pleasure :-) | 09:17 |
| ogra | herve, i'll do.. once i'll touch it again... but regardthat i'm a big javascript fan ;) | 09:18 |
| herve | ex-perl developer? :-) | 09:19 |
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| ogra | herve, yep | 09:20 |
| thesaltydog | someone from ubuntu-devel asked me to join this channel for questions concerning my application... | 09:20 |
| ogra | herve, i wrote tons of DB frontends | 09:20 |
| ogra | herve, cgi/perl/javascript | 09:21 |
| thesaltydog | php.. | 09:21 |
| ogra | bah | 09:21 |
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| thesaltydog | it's a matter of what you need... | 09:21 |
| ogra | herve, would you like to review thesaltydog's package ? | 09:21 |
| thesaltydog | herve, hello. | 09:22 |
| herve | a db front-end in javascript... | 09:22 |
| herve | what is it about? | 09:22 |
| thesaltydog | herve, no, please. perl is the best for that. | 09:22 |
| lamont | micropolygon.cpp:41: error: declaration of 'Aqsis::CqMemoryPool<Aqsis::CqMicroPolygon, 512l> Aqsis::CqPoolable<Aqsis::CqMicroPolygon, 512l>::m_thePool' outside of class is not definition | 09:22 |
| lamont | micropolygon.cpp:42: error: declaration of 'Aqsis::CqMemoryPool<Aqsis::CqMovingMicroPolygonKey, 512l> Aqsis::CqPoolable<Aqsis::CqMovingMicroPolygonKey, 512l>::m_thePool' outside of class is not definition | 09:22 |
| lamont | aqsis wants love | 09:23 |
| herve | thesaltydog, I listen to you | 09:23 |
| thesaltydog | herve, I am the author of Ubuntu Bootup Manager. You know it? | 09:24 |
| herve | hmm... | 09:24 |
| herve | the graphical application for screwing up one's system? :-) | 09:24 |
| thesaltydog | herve, yes that one. | 09:24 |
| thesaltydog | herve, and with the last update including rcS it can screw up very well! | 09:25 |
| herve | yoohoo... | 09:25 |
| herve | well, you know my concerns | 09:25 |
| herve | but technically speaking, I'll review your package | 09:25 |
| herve | url? | 09:25 |
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| ogra | herve, its on UniverseCandidates | 09:26 |
| ogra | afaik | 09:26 |
| thesaltydog | http://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubm.html | 09:26 |
| herve | ogra, that was a test ;-) | 09:26 |
| ogra | at least abelli told me he added it | 09:26 |
| ogra | herve, i didnt look myself yet :-P | 09:26 |
| thesaltydog | and for docs use this http://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubmdocs.html | 09:26 |
| herve | thesaltydog, package url! | 09:26 |
| thesaltydog | herve, it is in UniverseCandidates | 09:27 |
| herve | I'm afraid you failed the first test ;-) | 09:27 |
| thesaltydog | herve, ? | 09:27 |
| ogra | thesaltydog, we need a source .deb | 09:27 |
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| thesaltydog | wait | 09:27 |
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| herve | ogra, I would expect it on NewPackages | 09:27 |
| ogra | herve, hmm.. maybe | 09:28 |
| thesaltydog | herve, http://www.marzocca.net/linux/downloads/ubm_1.2.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb | 09:28 |
| herve | just a description on UC | 09:28 |
| thesaltydog | herve, next week a new version with localization | 09:28 |
| thesaltydog | herve, there is description and also a note from me on UC | 09:28 |
| herve | there will always be a new version | 09:29 |
| herve | I'm just here to evaluate the quality of the debianizing | 09:29 |
| ogra | thesaltydog, a source .... thats a binary package... do you have a .dsc, diff.gz and orig.tar.gz for it ? | 09:29 |
| herve | users will be your very own functionnal torture test | 09:29 |
| thesaltydog | herve, it is perl-gtk2. The source is the program itself! | 09:29 |
| herve | diff.gz! tell me you have a diff.gz! | 09:29 |
| herve | you failed the second test ;-) | 09:29 |
| herve | thesaltydog, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseNewPackages | 09:30 |
| thesaltydog | herve, ok. Doesn't matter. I am an happy boy (of 49) anyway.. | 09:30 |
| ogra | herve, dont play the french inquisitor ;) | 09:30 |
| herve | you source package url should be listed here | 09:30 |
| thesaltydog | herve, the url I gave you include the sources. It is perl | 09:31 |
| ogra | thesaltydog, ubuntu accepts only source packages for upload, we cant upload a binary to the buildd's | 09:31 |
| thesaltydog | ogra, a binary?? perl code is a script not a binary.. | 09:31 |
| herve | we mean the source of the package itself | 09:32 |
| ogra | so we need the source you built it from.... normally .dsc, diff.gz and orig.tar.gz | 09:32 |
| herve | we promote open source or not? :-) | 09:32 |
| ogra | heh | 09:32 |
| thesaltydog | ah, complications. Ok. Doesn't matter. Thank you all anyway. | 09:32 |
| herve | thesaltydog, for building a package | 09:32 |
| herve | you should have read some litterature | 09:32 |
| ogra | thesaltydog, how did you build that package without a source package ? | 09:32 |
| herve | ogra, manual tar+ar ;-) | 09:33 |
| ogra | hmm | 09:33 |
| herve | you even refer to the debian policy | 09:34 |
| herve | so you should know what a source package is | 09:34 |
| thesaltydog | herve, listen boys, I have enjoyed in writing the application. IT IS debian-policy compliant. The package runs fine in lintian. | 09:34 |
| herve | sorry but I want to see it by myself | 09:34 |
| ogra | thesaltydog, but we cand include .deb packages.... we need the source from which the package (not the app) is built | 09:35 |
| herve | no one here will blindly upload a package | 09:35 |
| thesaltydog | herve, I can provide you a tgz with the source. But if you unpack the deb, the source is inside.. | 09:35 |
| ogra | thesaltydog, we dont talk about the app here | 09:35 |
| herve | debian nor ubuntu work like that | 09:35 |
| herve | I don't see how you would have concerns about providing the source package | 09:36 |
| ogra | thesaltydog, a package is build by the buildd from the three (or sometines only two) files i mentioned above | 09:36 |
| thesaltydog | herve, I am not concerned. The source is inside the package. If you want, I can unpack it and provide you | 09:36 |
| ogra | it doesnt matter if your app is a script or not for this | 09:36 |
| herve | thesaltydog, remember you ran dpkg-buildpackage or debuild? | 09:37 |
| ogra | thesaltydog, forget the word script or app here, its only about the package | 09:37 |
| thesaltydog | herve, dpkg-deb | 09:37 |
| herve | ogra, manual tar+ar I said... | 09:38 |
| thesaltydog | herve, fakeroot dpkg-deb --build debian | 09:38 |
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| ogra | hmm | 09:38 |
| thesaltydog | ogra, what is this...a "court".? | 09:38 |
| herve | thesaltydog, I don't get how you would have read the debian policy and all, and haven't made the basic set up of a debian package | 09:39 |
| herve | you obviously missed a step | 09:39 |
| thesaltydog | herve, so I did it with a step less! | 09:39 |
| herve | you did it wrong, that's the point | 09:39 |
| ogra | thesaltydog, nope, but we try to explain what we need from you to include the package in ubuntu | 09:39 |
| herve | no package in debian nor ubuntu is built this way | 09:39 |
| thesaltydog | herve, ok. Doesn't matter. Sorry to disturb. | 09:40 |
| herve | check debian's new maintainer guide | 09:40 |
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| herve | gniiiiiiii | 09:40 |
| ogra | ARGH | 09:40 |
| ogra | ! | 09:40 |
| ogra | !! | 09:40 |
| ogra | !!!! | 09:40 |
| herve | either he lacks of humour, | 09:40 |
| herve | or we're in the twilight zone | 09:40 |
| ogra | oh, missed one | 09:40 |
| ogra | !!! | 09:40 |
| Mithrandir | moo. | 09:40 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: can you verify that firefox goes BOOM om http://www.clasohlson.no ? | 09:41 |
| Mithrandir | (amd64) | 09:41 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, ff goes boom on every second click here, thats why i downgraded to mozilla-ff | 09:41 |
| herve | okay on i386, in any case | 09:41 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, thim knows about it... | 09:42 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: ok. | 09:42 |
| ogra | thom even | 09:42 |
| ogra | but it seems to be an amd64ism | 09:42 |
| herve | ogra, if abelli knows him, he'll try to make him understand | 09:42 |
| ogra | herve, i hope so | 09:42 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: serves us right for having a decent architecture. | 09:42 |
| herve | ogra, thim the enchanter? :-) | 09:43 |
| ogra | herve, else i'd have to write such an app myself or find someone else :) http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalConfigTools | 09:43 |
| herve | I really prefer the UI of yours | 09:44 |
| herve | more compliant to the intended audience | 09:44 |
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| ogra | herve, sure, but its only a mockup | 09:45 |
| herve | users in need of it clearly don't know about runlevels | 09:45 |
| ogra | yep | 09:45 |
| herve | sure, but I only considered the UI :-) | 09:45 |
| ogra | thats the idea behind it | 09:45 |
| herve | I'll happily review your package ;-) | 09:45 |
| herve | by the way, I should introduce myself to cputemp... | 09:46 |
| herve | ogra, tell me you use gnu arch! | 09:46 |
| ogra | herve, i'm learning bazaar currently, my company wants it ;) | 09:47 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: :P | 09:47 |
| ogra | :-D | 09:47 |
| herve | good one | 09:48 |
| herve | it's still arch behind it | 09:48 |
| herve | er, ogra | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | hi | 09:48 |
| herve | I can't find the sources of cputemp | 09:49 |
| herve | hi ajmitch! | 09:49 |
| ogra | huh ? | 09:49 |
| herve | you want a package review too? :-) | 09:49 |
| ogra | herve, there is no package yet.... | 09:49 |
| herve | even a tarball | 09:49 |
| ogra | herve, its just a stolen script from Keybuk i changed :-P | 09:49 |
| herve | so I already have the latest sources? | 09:49 |
| ogra | yep | 09:49 |
| herve | mind if I "arch" it? | 09:50 |
| ogra | nope, not at all | 09:50 |
| herve | but I'd probably won't have the same habits as the ones you would learn | 09:50 |
| herve | what the heck... | 09:50 |
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| herve | hi abelli | 09:53 |
| ogra | hey abelli | 09:54 |
| herve | ogra, no need to "arch" the source package in fact | 09:54 |
| ajmitch | ogra: so, are you uploading the c++ libs I changed? :) | 09:55 |
| herve | let's just agree on a version number | 09:55 |
| ogra | ajmitch, nope, why should i ? | 09:55 |
| ogra | herve, 0.1 is a good start | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | ogra: I thought you were uploading everything you came across? | 09:55 |
| ogra | ajmitch, or do you prefer that i do it ? | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | I can do it easily enough | 09:56 |
| ogra | ajmitch, from everybody who cant upload himself... | 09:56 |
| ajmitch | ok | 09:56 |
| ajmitch | I might as well do mine once they are approved | 09:56 |
| ogra | ajmitch, i thought you wanted to reach the 400 ;) so i didnt touch your packages :) | 09:56 |
| ajmitch | hehe :) | 09:57 |
| ogra | ajmitch, i'll review them tomorrow... | 09:57 |
| ajmitch | I'll have to do some catching up | 09:57 |
| ajmitch | a couple of the ones I tried last night FTFBS with no patch in debian's BTS | 09:57 |
| ogra | ajmitch, are you in the maillist of the bugs in bugzilla ? | 09:57 |
| ajmitch | so they'll take a little longer | 09:57 |
| abelli | ciao a tutti .. | 09:57 |
| abelli | sorry for the delay | 09:58 |
| ajmitch | ogra: hmm? | 09:58 |
| herve | abelli, np | 09:58 |
| ogra | ajmitch, if i mark your packages as "ok" in bugzilla, do you get the mail ? | 09:58 |
| ajmitch | no idea :) | 09:59 |
| ajmitch | probably | 09:59 |
| ogra | ajmitch, so please set you on cc on your bugs... then you'll know when they are ready | 10:00 |
| herve | or in your preferences | 10:01 |
| herve | check your mail preferences | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | I received mail when submitting them | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | and when attaching patches | 10:02 |
| ogra | ajmitch, ah, great... | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | so I'd probably get mail otherwise | 10:02 |
| ogra | ajmitch, that was my qustion :) | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | there's only 8 libs there currently | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | I've still got to clean the others, and get some more working | 10:02 |
| ogra | ok | 10:03 |
| ajmitch | but I have to run off to work now, will talk to you later.. | 10:04 |
| herve | ogra, you realize you have no manpage, no documentation, etc.? :-) | 10:08 |
| ogra | lol | 10:09 |
| ogra | herve, _you_ wanted to package it | 10:09 |
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| herve | hehe | 10:09 |
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| herve | Lathiat, ping | 10:23 |
| herve | ogra, as I fill in the description, I feel like I'm documenting cputmp :-) | 10:27 |
| herve | It was downloaded from <fill in ftp site> | 10:46 |
| herve | ogra... | 10:46 |
| herve | :-) | 10:46 |
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| herve | there's no license even | 10:47 |
| ogra | make it GPL | 10:47 |
| ogra | it was downloaded from "the internet" *g* | 10:47 |
| herve | from DCC ;-) | 10:47 |
| herve | no really, just put it on your ftp | 10:48 |
| herve | I feel like the most powerful maintainer in the world ;-) | 10:48 |
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| herve | okay... I feel like I'd have to open my branch in the end | 10:51 |
| herve | tomorrow! | 10:51 |
| herve | night all | 10:51 |
| ogra | ciao | 10:51 |
| ajmitch | sigh, libcrypto++ is described as templates upon templates | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | I don't think I'll be patching it in a hurry | 10:53 |
| abelli | ciao a tutti | 10:54 |
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| Burgundavia | who was looking for me? | 10:55 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, not me, but nice to see you anyway | 10:56 |
| ogra | :=) | 10:56 |
| Burgundavia | yes, I saw the blue but it goes lost in scrollback | 10:56 |
| Burgundavia | found it | 10:57 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 10:57 |
| ogra | ;) | 10:57 |
| ajmitch | hi Burgundavia | 10:58 |
| Burgundavia | no, I log everything as well | 10:58 |
| Burgundavia | hey ogra ajmitch | 10:58 |
| tseng|work | snmp sucks the big on | 10:58 |
| tseng|work | e | 10:58 |
| ogra | tseng|work, nah, its fun.... ;) | 10:59 |
| ogra | (if you are crazy enough) | 10:59 |
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| ogra | Burgundavia, might have been about the games team... | 11:00 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, <ogra>hondje, for the games team, contact Burgundavia r siretart if one of them is around | 11:00 |
| tseng|work | ogra: nope | 11:02 |
| tseng|work | i need to be able to specify the start row for a bulkget | 11:02 |
| tseng|work | but you cant | 11:02 |
| ogra | hmm | 11:02 |
| tseng|work | you have to do a slow-as-shit walk or even worse getnext a thousand times | 11:02 |
| tseng|work | getbulk is only giving me back the first ~100 rows regardless of how many interfaces there are | 11:03 |
| tseng|work | i need to read the RFC | 11:03 |
| ogra | yep | 11:03 |
| ogra | do you have the MIB ? | 11:04 |
| tseng|work | no | 11:05 |
| tseng|work | how do you mean? | 11:05 |
| tseng|work | its very standard stuff | 11:05 |
| tseng|work | ifIn/OutOctets | 11:05 |
| tseng|work | time to go home | 11:05 |
| tseng|work | bye :) | 11:05 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: updating the set of fonts seemed to mostly fix the crashes with ff. | 11:15 |
| ogra | ahh | 11:15 |
| ogra | great :) | 11:15 |
| Mithrandir | at least for me. | 11:15 |
| ajmitch | I haven't had firefox crash | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | unless it's been an amd64ism | 11:16 |
| Mithrandir | I've been through at least ten pages now, including closing an invalid bug in bugzilla. | 11:16 |
| ogra | i'll try it.. but not today anymore i need a reliable ff currently... | 11:16 |
| \sh | re | 11:25 |
| Burgundavia | seen this? http://www.whiprush.org/2005/05/were_our_own_wo.html | 11:26 |
| \sh | yes | 11:26 |
| Burgundavia | ouch | 11:27 |
| Burgundavia | that makes us look really relaly stupid | 11:27 |
| Mithrandir | well, Opera is a really, really good browser, IMHO. | 11:28 |
| Mithrandir | it's way faster than firefox, leaks less and provides a just as good user experience. | 11:28 |
| Burgundavia | yes, I used opera until I jumped to Ubuntu | 11:28 |
| Burgundavia | from version 3 | 11:28 |
| elmo | Burgundavia: err, no it doesn't | 11:29 |
| Mithrandir | I worked at Opera from 1998 to 2002-ish | 11:29 |
| \sh | i don't like opera at all..konqui or firefox | 11:29 |
| Burgundavia | elmo, why not? | 11:29 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, the web admin of mozilla was in u-d yesterday.... they seem not to be able to do a real check for the vulnerabilitys... | 11:29 |
| elmo | because mozilla's handling of the situation is the real problem | 11:29 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 11:29 |
| Burgundavia | so it makes us both look bad | 11:29 |
| elmo | it was thom and RH who convinced them to even do what they're asking us to do in that bug | 11:29 |
| elmo | Burgundavia: no | 11:29 |
| ogra | only them | 11:30 |
| Mithrandir | Burgundavia: because there isn't anything wrong with non-free software. It's just non-free. | 11:30 |
| Burgundavia | Mithrandir, Opera is a very nice piece of software. Unfortunately, ff integrated better with gnome, and I get my security updates from syn | 11:30 |
| Mithrandir | Burgundavia: I used to have an apt repository on ftp.opera.com.. :P | 11:31 |
| \sh | giving dar another try to get ogra pleased ;) | 11:31 |
| ogra | \sh, not today anymore... | 11:31 |
| Mithrandir | Burgundavia: and I'd probably still provide it, if redistribution was allowed. | 11:32 |
| \sh | ogra: I've just had trouble enough for today...so only one shot for me, and then well, I don't know...sleep or something | 11:32 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, any chance they will port it to a sane widget set once ? | 11:32 |
| ogra | \sh, same here | 11:32 |
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| Burgundavia | Mithrandir, they actually have a repo as well, but apparently it doesn't have a 8 | 11:32 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: we had an ncurses port, like six years ago. Does that count? | 11:32 |
| \sh | ogra: you're lucky that you're not at this company anymore | 11:33 |
| Mithrandir | or possibly more like five. | 11:33 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, curses > QT ;) | 11:33 |
| ogra | \sh, i am, thats why i resigned ;) | 11:33 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: it was probably the first curses-based browser with CSS and Javascript support. ;-) | 11:33 |
| ogra | wow | 11:33 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: I doubt we'll see a GTK port, mainly because Troll is one floor downstairs from Opera. | 11:34 |
| ogra | heh, i was suspecting that :) norwegian conspiracy | 11:34 |
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| \sh | lol | 11:35 |
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| \sh | ogra: i don't really know what you have against QT ;) | 11:35 |
| ivoks | oy | 11:35 |
| ivoks | :) | 11:35 |
| ogra | btw, i learnded to know \sh because he wor a QT t-shirt :) | 11:35 |
| \sh | haaahahaha | 11:36 |
| \sh | yeah | 11:36 |
| \sh | i got it from a qt girl in exchange for a six pack | 11:36 |
| \sh | cebit 2001 | 11:36 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: we have to have some conspiracies we too. :) | 11:36 |
| ogra | hmm, a QT girl exchange | 11:36 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, so its not a privilege of the brazilians ? :) | 11:37 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: there's a swedish one too. | 11:37 |
| \sh | well, no doubt she was falling in love just because I was wearing a nice redhat fedora :) | 11:37 |
| \sh | and now I screwed up the whole diff of dar | 11:38 |
| \sh | so lets try it tomorrow from scratch | 11:38 |
| ogra | \sh, you were *wearing* a redhat fedora ? | 11:38 |
| ogra | wow | 11:38 |
| \sh | ogra: yepp..I have one | 11:38 |
| ivoks | omg, fedora :) | 11:38 |
| \sh | a red one :) | 11:38 |
| ivoks | should we kick and ban him? :) | 11:38 |
| \sh | ivoks: well...i was working for them :) | 11:39 |
| ogra | ivoks, nah, he has overcome it :) | 11:39 |
| ivoks | kline is maybe better? :) | 11:39 |
| ivoks | hehe | 11:39 |
| \sh | also handsigned "under the brim" book of bob young :) | 11:39 |
| \sh | well.. | 11:40 |
| \sh | I need to find my tux air chair again | 11:40 |
| ivoks | so, I sould add my self on CCA? | 11:41 |
| ivoks | under MemberCandidates | 11:41 |
| \sh | http://www.cd-rom.de/k/431/431649.shtml | 11:42 |
| ivoks | new network manager should be build on top of gentoo scripts | 11:42 |
| ogra | ivoks, ??? | 11:43 |
| ivoks | just a suggestion | 11:43 |
| ivoks | their scripts detects (un)pluged cable and enviorment | 11:43 |
| \sh | gentoo scripts? u mean the how to of the new maintainer guide, or gentoo :;) | 11:44 |
| ivoks | where ever you are, you just plug cable in | 11:44 |
| ivoks | if there is dhcp, it will take ip from dhcp | 11:44 |
| ivoks | if there isn't dhcp, it will self-assign IP in subnet that is in use | 11:44 |
| \sh | well...on debian it's called "guessnet" | 11:44 |
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| ivoks | guessnet sucks compared to gentoo scripts | 11:45 |
| ivoks | on gentoo, there is no predefined | 11:45 |
| \sh | ivoks: u don't want to deal with gentoo scripts...it's a mess | 11:45 |
| ivoks | he doesn't guess | 11:45 |
| ivoks | he knows | 11:45 |
| ivoks | \sh: i expanded gentoo network script | 11:46 |
| ivoks | like it or not, they are best network scipts | 11:46 |
| \sh | net.eth0 is a piece of a b*tch | 11:46 |
| ivoks | but it works | 11:47 |
| ogra | ivoks, whats wrong with ifplugd for that ? | 11:47 |
| ivoks | never tried that | 11:47 |
| ogra | try it, it does exactly that | 11:48 |
| ivoks | another daemon? | 11:48 |
| ivoks | omg, linux desktop looks worse than windows | 11:48 |
| ajmitch | looks worse? | 11:49 |
| ivoks | this should be designed on dbus... | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | NM will use dbus for notifying apps that support it | 11:50 |
| ivoks | why apps? | 11:50 |
| ivoks | why don't run dhclient or something? | 11:50 |
| ivoks | s/don\'t/not | 11:50 |
| ajmitch | it can do that as well, but we were talking about the desktop | 11:51 |
| ajmitch | so I mentioned app notification | 11:51 |
| ivoks | ah, ok | 11:51 |
| ivoks | i hope, network-admin wouldn't be that app :) | 11:52 |
| Unfrgiven | hi all | 11:52 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/ | 11:52 |
| ajmitch | hi Unfrgiven | 11:52 |
| Unfrgiven | ajmitch: how are you? | 11:52 |
| ajmitch | I'm alright | 11:53 |
| ajmitch | at work at the moment | 11:53 |
| ivoks | ajmitch: you are porting this to ubuntu? | 11:53 |
| ajmitch | it's being done | 11:53 |
| Unfrgiven | cool... im going late today so that i can attend the community council meeting | 11:54 |
| ajmitch | thom is mainly working on it | 11:54 |
| ajmitch | when is the CC meeting? | 11:54 |
| Unfrgiven | in 5 min | 11:54 |
| ivoks | is there debian/ so i don't have to create my own | 11:54 |
| thom | ivoks: leave NM | 11:54 |
| ivoks | 5min? where? | 11:54 |
| thom | ivoks: it needs love and dependencies | 11:54 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: #ubuntu-meeting, as always | 11:54 |
| ivoks | thom: i thought just try :) | 11:54 |
| Unfrgiven | #ubuntu-meeting | 11:54 |
| ajmitch | ah, thom is here :) | 11:54 |
| === thom is about to pass out | ||
| thom | but yeah, there's a whole bunch of stuff needs packaging before NM can work | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | thom: anything I can help with on the side then? | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | I know the udu spec talks about patching some apps | 11:56 |
| \sh | Meeting today? | 11:56 |
| ivoks | tes | 11:56 |
| ivoks | yes | 11:56 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: yeah | 11:56 |
| ivoks | i didn't know too :) | 11:56 |
| \sh | CC? it's not on the calendar | 11:56 |
| \sh | adhoc meeting ;) | 11:56 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: it is on the calendar | 11:57 |
| \sh | may 24 | 11:57 |
| \sh | two times | 11:57 |
| Unfrgiven | second from the top :) | 11:57 |
| \sh | yes...may 24 | 11:57 |
| \sh | may 24, 22:00 utc cca | 11:57 |
| ivoks | 2min | 11:57 |
| ajmitch | check your clock.. | 11:58 |
| Unfrgiven | oh no.... i think im one whole day early! | 11:58 |
| ajmitch | it's 23rd in UTC | 11:58 |
| Unfrgiven | dammit!!! | 11:58 |
| ajmitch | Unfrgiven: sorry :) | 11:58 |
| thom | ajmitch: at the moment, no. i need to merge stuff across from my laptop and upload it | 11:58 |
| Unfrgiven | ajmitch: its my stupidity :) and probably the fact that i'm so keen to become a member | 11:58 |
| ivoks | :) | 11:59 |
| ajmitch | thom: ok, by the time you've done that I should be free from uni & able to help | 11:59 |
| \sh | what now? for me it's may 24, 22UTC = may 25, 00:00 GMT+2 | 11:59 |
| ogra | Unfrgiven, you could wait... its only 24h from now :-P | 11:59 |
| ivoks | hahaha | 11:59 |
| ivoks | tomorrow?! :) | 11:59 |
| Unfrgiven | :) | 11:59 |
| ajmitch | Unfrgiven: you'll have to be late for work 2 days in a row? | 11:59 |
| ivoks | we suck :) | 11:59 |
| ivoks | Day changed to 24 May 2005 | 12:00 |
| \sh | and it was announced on the ML , that the CCA is 2h after TB | 12:00 |
| ivoks | when is TB? | 12:00 |
| \sh | 20 utc also may 24 | 12:00 |
| ivoks | that's 22CET | 12:00 |
| \sh | it's noted on the Calendar | 12:00 |
| \sh | ogra: it's time for a brain reset... | 12:01 |
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