[12:02] <ogra> they will have linux for it ;)
[12:02] <tseng> hm yeah?
[12:02] <tseng> ogra: that would rock so hard
[12:02] <Mithrandir> I would be surprised if xbox didn't run some windows version, really.
[12:02] <tseng> ogra: ms embedded linux
[12:02] <ogra> hehe
[12:02] <Mithrandir> that'd be scary; I'm really worried of MS using linux as the core and putting a proprietary GUI on it.
[12:03] <tseng> Mithrandir: it just seems like it took them forever to even make it 64 bit compatible on a somewhat compatible cpu
[12:03] <Mithrandir> tseng: not really, you get ia64-enabled windows.
[12:03] <tseng> im sure they *could* do it on ppc
[12:03] <Amaranth> Mithrandir: The Xbox uses a Win2k kernel.
[12:03] <Amaranth> And Direct X, from what I've heard.
[12:03] <Mithrandir> Amaranth: we're talking about xbox 360 here.
[12:03] <ogra> Amaranth, on ppc ?
[12:04] <Mithrandir> not the xbox 1.
[12:04] <Amaranth> well, the NT kernel is highly portable...
[12:04] <ogra> hmm
[12:04] <Mithrandir> or so they claim.  It's less portable than it was.
[12:05] <ogra> if portable means i can transport it on a floppy, then i agree....
[12:05] <tseng> hah
[12:05] <Mithrandir> USB sticks are more portable than floppies. :P
[12:05] <ogra> lol
[12:06] <Cybermagellan> Are there any specific guidlines/responisbilities to being a MOTU?
[12:06] <crimsun> I still love floppy diskettes, though
[12:07] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: yes, it's outlined on the wiki
[12:07] <Cybermagellan> Yeah I am reading it....just wondering anything really specific
[12:08] <crimsun> the recruitment page and the membership/maintainership pages should cover most of it
[12:08] <Cybermagellan> I'm reading http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUTeams any other page I should read?
[12:08] <crimsun> start with MOTU and branch from there
[12:08] <tseng> Teams is a bit different
[12:08] <ogra> yay, herve finally has tulip building
[12:08] <tseng> and doesnt require actually being a motu
[12:08] <tseng> to participate
[12:09] <crimsun> yeah, anyone can join a Team
[12:09] <ogra> Cybermagellan, MOTURecruitment or MOTUGettingInvolved
[12:10] <tseng> this usb hub is bogus
[12:10] <tseng> it keeps droping my usb hd and remount it
[12:15] <tseng> hm openbsd has a port for my sgi o2
[12:16] <Cybermagellan> is there a MOTU for Firefox/Thunderbird?
[12:16] <crimsun> no
[12:17] <crimsun> both of them are in main
[12:17] <crimsun> we only take care of universe (with a couple exceptions: ogra, dholbach, and others soon can upload to main)
[12:18] <Cybermagellan> So those packages are maintained by who?
[12:18] <crimsun> by MOM
[12:18] <Cybermagellan> MOM?
[12:18] <crimsun> masters of main
[12:18] <crimsun> no one person claims ownership, though certainly some people have their active packages
[12:19] <crimsun> in this way, it's different from Debian
[12:19] <Cybermagellan> Right...
[12:19] <tseng> you can make a team for stuff in main
[12:19] <tseng> just fix bugs and send them to the maintainer
[12:20] <crimsun> yeah, patches are always welcome :)
[12:20] <Cybermagellan> I don't know much about programming in Linux...and am new to Ubuntu...however I do know a good bit about project management....anything that I can do? Or should aim to?
[12:21] <tseng> well i was thinking the other day
[12:21] <tseng> we could probably use someone in a management capacity to triage/manage bugs
[12:21] <tseng> mdz seems to be the only one doing it atm
[12:21] <tseng> and he has more important things to be working on for sure
[12:22] <crimsun> well to be fair, we're all supposed to be doing that ;)
[12:22] <tseng> eh.
[12:22] <Cybermagellan> Well I do project management for another company....so it's some experience I have
[12:23] <tseng> so where is the "unassigned bugs" stored query
[12:23] <crimsun> oh you mean the pile of stuff I haven't even looked at? ;)
[12:23] <crimsun> bradb would probably know
[12:23] <tseng> yeah
[12:23] <tseng> i meant on bugzilla
[12:23] <crimsun> oh, no clue
[12:23] <tseng> malone doesnt even grok the word query
[12:23] <ivoks> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AnteKaramatic - does this looks ok? :)
[12:24] <tseng> (i know, he's fixing it)
[12:24] <tseng> ivoks: yes
[12:25] <tseng> ivoks: can you list cxx packages youve touched?
[12:25] <crimsun> ivoks: my only suggestion is to list all the CXX packages you've worked with
[12:25] <tseng> crimsun++
[12:25] <ivoks> uh...
[12:25] <crimsun> (yeah, even if it's a bunch, it helps the tech board grasp the scope of your involvement)
[12:25] <ivoks> sources or packages? :)
[12:25] <tseng> either is fine in this case
[12:26] <ivoks> that's over 20 packages
[12:26] <crimsun> that's cool, list 'em all
[12:26] <tseng> definately
[12:26] <crimsun> again, this is good for the TB
[12:26] <tseng> it will *really* help if you go for MOTU
[12:26] <tseng> to have a huge list of packages already fixed up
[12:26] <tseng> that rocks.
[12:28] <Amaranth> hey, i think it's been two weeks since the thing about mono was put in the topic ;)
[12:29] <tseng> damn
[12:29] <tseng> well
[12:29] <tseng> im blocked by dbus and maybe cxx to fix the rest
[12:29] <tseng> so it still applies :)
[12:29] <Amaranth> yeah, libdbus-cil would pretty much have to be rewritten, wouldn't it?
[12:29] <tseng> erm, no
[12:29] <tseng> just that mono has to move to main
[12:30] <tseng> so we can build the bindings in the dbus source package
[12:30] <tseng> you cant pull build-deps to main from universe without seeding them
[12:30] <tseng> it will FTBFS
[12:30] <Amaranth> oh, libdbus-cil supports 0.33?
[12:30] <tseng> yes
[12:30] <tseng> i am already running it all
[12:30] <Amaranth> cool
[12:31] <Amaranth> it's there a special TB meeting coming up about that?
[12:31] <tseng> not "special"
[12:31] <tseng> just voting on letting me upload to main
[12:31] <tseng> and dholbach too
[12:31] <crimsun> that's a no-brainer "yes", really
[12:31] <crimsun> even elmo thinks so
[12:31] <tseng> heh
[12:32] <tseng> no way elmo wants me anywhere near uploading
[12:32] <tseng> i can hear him screaming across the atlantic.
[12:33] <Amaranth> haha
[12:33] <ajmitch> morning
[12:33] <tseng> hi
[12:34] <Cybermagellan> Well hey guys thanks for that information...I think I'll stick around
[12:34] <tseng> great
[12:34] <Cybermagellan> Hey travis
[12:34] <ivoks> there... now is complete :)
[12:34] <ajmitch> uploading to main is like a dream of mine ;)
[12:35] <tseng> hm ive been using gnome-terminal for 2 days now without screaming
[12:35] <tseng> thats a new record
[12:35] <ajmitch> I had to switch away
[12:35] <tseng> i hate this thing
[12:36] <ajmitch> seems that it was causing or exposing a nice X leak
[12:36] <tseng> everytime you resize it, screen is permafucked
[12:36] <tseng> screen as in gnu screen
[12:36] <crimsun> yeah, I hate that.
[12:36] <ivoks> time to sleep
[12:36] <ivoks> bye all
[12:36] <ivoks> thanks for help
[12:36] <crimsun> np
[12:36] <ajmitch> bye ivoks
[12:36] <tseng> ctrl+l and reset are useless
[12:36] <crimsun> have to detach and reattach
[12:36] <tseng> ya
[12:36] <ajmitch> seemed to work ok for me
[12:36] <ajmitch> ^A F
[12:37] <tseng> oh yeah?
[12:37] <ajmitch> tell screen to resize
[12:37] <tseng> that prints "flow"
[12:37] <ajmitch> not ^A ^F
[12:37] <tseng> well in that case
[12:38] <tseng> i get the same thing
[12:38] <crimsun> I always have to reattach
[12:38] <tseng> yeah
[12:38] <tseng> ill grab urxvt one of these days
[12:38] <ajmitch> using uxterm at the moment
[12:39] <ajmitch> X seems to have stopped growing
[12:39] <crimsun> that's interesting, since xterm is often cited as a hog
[12:39] <crimsun> ;)
[12:39] <Mithrandir> pterm's nice
[12:40] <ajmitch> crimsun: it works as a temporary measure ;)
[12:40] <tseng> hm thats trippy
[12:40] <crimsun> ajmitch: absolutely. I use it occasionally
[12:40] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: great, seems to work better than uxterm, too :)
[12:57] <Amaranth> ajmitch: Did you ever get X working?
[12:58] <ajmitch> Amaranth: haven't shut it down yet
[12:58] <Amaranth> heh
[12:58] <Amaranth> someone on the forums claims to have gotten it working with a little symlink action and a reconfigure, i asked for more details
[12:58] <ajmitch>  /usr/bin/X11 seems to have disappeared, so I'lll wait for an upgrade or two
[12:59] <Amaranth> wow, yeah
[12:59] <Amaranth> that's not good
[01:00] <Amaranth> ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/ /usr/bin/X11/ ?
[01:00] <ogra> just do a reconfigure and let it generate a new config, that should be enough
[01:01] <ajmitch> ogra: I think the /usr/bin/X11 problem is more than config :)
[01:01] <ogra> nopwe
[01:02] <ogra> these paths have to go, thats the essential part of the X modularization
[01:02] <ogra> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/XRoadmap
[01:03] <Amaranth> I thought /usr/bin/X11 was the new path
[01:05] <ogra> nope, X and all apps will be in the default bin path (read /usr/bin/) eventually
[03:37] <ajmitch> great, I've got a set of debdiffs now but some of them are just too big
[04:04] <abarbaccia> hey all - do the motu support the multiverse as well?
[04:07] <tseng> yes
[04:13] <abarbaccia> okay - can i sudgest something then?
[04:14] <abarbaccia> ubuntu is becoming increasingly popular for mythtv uses (PVR type thing - im sure you're familiar) - we have an old version of myth and I think we should change it
[04:15] <crimsun> url?
[04:17] <tseng> abarbaccia: eh
[04:17] <tseng> abarbaccia: we have the latest version, dude. I think you misunderstand our release proceedures
[04:19] <abarbaccia> can you clarify
[04:19] <abarbaccia> because the latest version is 0.18.1, we have 0.17
[04:19] <tseng> we make releases every since months
[04:19] <tseng> when that release is out, no updates go in besides secuirty
[04:19] <abarbaccia> okay, well I understand that
[04:19] <tseng> we start the next branch
[04:20] <tseng> so, that branch has newer upstream
[04:20] <abarbaccia> is 0.18.1 in breezy yet?
[04:20] <tseng> 0.18 is for sure
[04:20] <abarbaccia> right now do you know?
[04:20] <Amaranth> breezy considered harmful
[04:20] <tseng> i said "0.18 is for sure"
[04:20] <tseng> thats right now what I know
[04:20] <abarbaccia> i run breezy on my other box - not too bad
[04:20] <Amaranth> nope, i'm seeing 0.17
[04:21] <tseng> it was uploaded
[04:21] <tseng> weeks ago
[04:21] <abarbaccia> let me update my sources
[04:21] <tseng> check the build log
[04:21] <crimsun> indeed, 0.18-1
[04:22] <abarbaccia> wow - ubuntu is my new god(ess)
[04:22] <Amaranth> 0.18 failed on all archs
[04:22] <tseng> then id expect now that mdz is back
[04:23] <tseng> at some point he will update it anf fix ftbfs
[04:23] <Amaranth> it's an X thing
[04:23] <tseng> ah right
[04:23] <Amaranth> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext
[04:24] <tseng> yeah X is fucked
[04:24] <Amaranth> i got X to actually run again
[04:24] <tseng> mine wont start
[04:24] <Amaranth> i had to, my system locked up
[04:24] <abarbaccia> whats that?  0.18 doesnt work as or now
[04:24] <abarbaccia> as of now
[04:24] <Amaranth> ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/ /usr/bin/X11 + a little xorg.conf editting got it working
[04:25] <Amaranth> it was trying to use "Generic Mouse" and "Configured Mouse" but I only have the latter
[04:25] <Amaranth> abarbaccia: Yeah, 0.18 failed to build because we're in the middle of massive changes to X.
[04:25] <crimsun> abarbaccia: check back in a month, things will be much better :)
[04:26] <Amaranth> btw, anyone know why lamont made the buildlogs use .bz2?
[04:26] <tseng> disk space
[04:26] <Amaranth> those don't open in firefox :/
[04:26] <tseng> someone is working on that
[04:26] <abarbaccia> alright - sounds good - maybe I can be the one to repackage it if someone teaches me because i've been hanging in here trying to figure it out for a while but no success
[04:26] <Amaranth> i hope it isn't a patch to firefox, since i run nightlies :)
[04:27] <crimsun> I use wget + vi
[04:27] <crimsun> vim, sorry
[04:27] <tseng> good call
[04:27] <tseng> you could probably script the whole deal in curl
[04:27] <tseng> or even wget | bzmore
[04:28] <tseng> does piping stright to vim work?
[04:28] <crimsun> not really
[04:29] <crimsun> actually
[04:29] <crimsun> cat foo | vim -
[04:31] <ogra> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/
[04:31] <ogra> but beware the big ones ;)
[04:31] <ogra> night all
[04:31] <lamont> Amaranth: actually, they're all .gz as of yesterday or so...  not going to switch the old ones to gz though.
[06:49] <ajmitch> hi
[08:22] <svenl> hi all.
[08:23] <Amaranth> hi
[08:23] <svenl> Hi.
[08:24] <svenl> Well, i think it would be good to restart a hardware-monitor upload, so it gets rebuild with the latest breezy gnome libs.
[08:25] <Amaranth> let's see how it failed
[08:26] <Amaranth> it didn't fail to build...
[08:26] <Amaranth> it just doesn't work?
[08:48] <\sh> moins
[08:48] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[08:50] <blvszcz> helo
[08:51] <\sh> ah rafal :)
[08:51] <ajmitch> hi
[08:51] <\sh> welcome on board :)
[08:51] <ajmitch> one of your minions, \sh ?
[08:51] <blvszcz> hello steph
[08:51] <\sh> gentlemen, this is Rafal Zawadzki
[08:51] <blvszcz> eh sh :)
[08:52] <\sh> he is admin of jabberpl.org, and dev of pyrss, a rss aggregator jabber component
[08:52] <\sh> and he wants to help us :)
[08:52] <blvszcz> right
[08:52] <\sh> blvszcz: short introduction is always nice :)
[08:52] <blvszcz> :)
[09:21] <svenl> Amaranth: sure, it fails to work. It tells something about OAF-blah.
[09:21] <svenl> and pops up thousand of requesters.
[09:22] <svenl> Amaranth: well, not thousands, but 3 or something such, but i was not able to close one of them since it insisted on coming back.
[09:31] <svenl> Amaranth: i tried rebuilding it, and i believe it even fails to rebuild.
[09:32] <Amaranth> well, we're in the middle of both an X migration and a C++ migration so things fail to build all the time :)
[09:33] <svenl> Amaranth: sure.
[09:33] <svenl> Amaranth: but it will not by miracle be fixed all alone, i believe.
[09:34] <Amaranth> no, probably not
[09:34] <Amaranth> what's the error message?
[09:34] <svenl> I think the C++ migration or the rebuild of the gnome stuff may need someone looking into this and fixing it.
[09:34] <svenl> wait.
[09:34] <svenl> now cpufreq also stopped working :/
[09:35] <svenl> /usr/include/gconfmm-2.6/gconfmm/setinterface.h:42: attention : class Gnome::Conf::SetInterface has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor
[09:35] <svenl> preferences-window.cpp: In member function Monitor* PreferencesWindow::run_choose_monitor_window(const Glib::ustring&):
[09:35] <svenl> preferences-window.cpp:593: erreur: no match for operator* in *window
[09:35] <svenl> make[2] : *** [preferences-window.o]  Erreur 1
[09:35] <svenl> make[2] : quittant le rpertoire  /home/sven/ubuntu/hardware-monitor/hardware-monitor-1.2/src 
[09:36] <svenl> but then i have a couple of gnome libs on hold.
[09:36] <Amaranth> oh, it's a C++ app
[09:36] <svenl> it is indeed.
[09:36] <svenl> so probably cause by the c++ transition and the libgnome*mm stuff.
[09:36] <ajmitch> more fun
[09:37] <svenl> ah, and indeed, hardware-monitor was stopping those libgnome*mm packages to install.
[09:46] <Amaranth> get those packages and try to rebuild again
[09:51] <svenl> Amaranth: fails in the same way.
[09:51] <svenl> oh, well, will probably forward this upstream.
[10:04] <GheRivero> res people
[12:39] <tseng> work time
[01:01] <ajmitch> ogra: remove config.* cruft from diffs?
[01:05] <\sh> hmmm...now I'm in the line of fire of the mpaa ;)
[01:05] <ajmitch> ?
[01:06] <\sh> i wrote a text about mpaa complaints
[01:06] <\sh> losing revenues cause of bittorrent ;)
[01:07] <Treenaks> \sh: ?
[01:07] <tseng> what we really need is some kind of study of people who use bt
[01:07] <Treenaks> \sh: blog?
[01:08] <tseng> vs people who actually go to the movies
[01:08] <tseng> im pretty confident that there isnt a huge overlap
[01:08] <\sh> Treenaks: yep...check on the p.u.c
[01:08] <Mithrandir> tseng: well, I do both.
[01:08] <\sh> tseng: the problem is different
[01:09] <\sh> tseng: mpaa complains about a star wars III copy, ripped from a dvd..
[01:09] <tseng> i mean.. how many people that use bt would go to the movies if there wasnt bt
[01:09] <Mithrandir> tseng: the sales which I am hurting is probably DVD sales, but I wouldn't buy DVDs anyhow.
[01:09] <tseng> i download music and buy a ton of cds
[01:09] <tseng> Mithrandir: there you go
[01:09] <\sh> and those rips can only come from ppl who have the possibility to get them directly from the studies
[01:09] <tseng> thats my question
[01:09] <\sh> s/studies/studios/
[01:09] <Treenaks> tseng: I wouldn't go more often.. same with music.. I won't buy more music if I can't also download
[01:09] <tseng> \sh: id imagine they have to be aware of that part
[01:09] <Mithrandir> I've stopped buying music because of DRM, mainly.
[01:10] <tseng> i wont buy online because of DRM for one
[01:10] <tseng> but more for lossy codecs
[01:10] <\sh> tseng: no...they're not seeing this problem...before they blame the "normal" people, they should blame themselves...
[01:10] <tseng> why would i pay the price for the ferrari and get a bmw
[01:10] <tseng> is what selling 128kps music says to me.
[01:11] <Mithrandir> that's not a BMW, it's a pair of socks.
[01:11] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: drm? I've got one CD with DRM, and I got it free with some concert tickets or something
[01:11] <tseng> well 128 aac is alot better than mp3
[01:11] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: I haven't found DRM'ed "Real" CDs here yet
[01:11] <tseng> Treenaks: sacds are drm
[01:11] <Treenaks> tseng: sacd?
[01:11] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: DRM-ed disks != CDs, as a start. :)
[01:11] <tseng> and there have been several (failed) attempts to drm classic cds
[01:12] <\sh> sacds?
[01:12] <tseng> sacd is a 5.1 mix
[01:12] <tseng> + drm
[01:12] <Treenaks> tseng: do they play in plain/old CD players?
[01:12] <tseng> yes
[01:12] <tseng> as 2.1
[01:12] <Treenaks> 2.0 probably
[01:12] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: then, I can't be arsed to check whether the discs I'm buying are DRM-ed or not, since they mostly contain some infinitely small mark somewhere on the case.  Possibly.
[01:12] <tseng> they dont play at all in cdroms
[01:12] <Mithrandir> the net result is that I don't buy music.
[01:13] <\sh> the problem is, you can't copy them digitally ...but there is always the possibility to copy them analog...and for mp3 thats enough
[01:13] <Treenaks> tseng: I haven't seen any of those.. might be because I like music that's distributed by small labels :)
[01:13] <\sh> same appears to digital tv etc.
[01:13] <tseng> Treenaks: the nine inch nails - downward spiral rerelease was offered in sacd
[01:13] <tseng> but im with you on small labels
[01:14] <Treenaks> tseng: either that, or my dvd-rom drive just doesn't give a damn about "drm discs"
[01:14] <tseng> anyway, dont buy sacd you cant rip it to mp3 and enjoy it on your pc or portable or anything else
[01:14] <tseng> hooray for fair use
[01:14] <\sh> btw...has anybody the possibility to give me access to an amd64 box with a nice updated breezy chroot or pbuilder?
[01:15] <Mithrandir> \sh: sure.  Do you have a key signed by a DD?
[01:15] <\sh> tseng: for what do i need 5.1 music for tankard music ;)
[01:15] <\sh> DD?
[01:15] <tseng> debian devel
[01:15] <\sh> no
[01:15] <tseng> any notable sigs?
[01:15] <\sh> ogras
[01:15] <tseng> that works
[01:15] <\sh> heheh
[01:16] <Mithrandir> sure, sign a mail, include you SSH public key, to: tfheen@err.no, cc maswan@acc.umu.se, include what you want as your user name and state that you'd like access to ravel.
[01:17] <Mithrandir> your, even.
[01:17] <\sh> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/739 this bug is quite interessting
[01:18] <Treenaks> \sh: ask him to use debug-enabled binaries and libraries, and get a backtrace
[01:25] <\sh> Mithrandir: send :)
[03:10] <crimsun> dang, and I was hoping for a straightforward fix to Debian#309216 :/
[03:40] <Treenaks> Has anyone created Ubuntu logo laptop stickers yet (like the Debian ones)
[03:40] <ogra> Treenaks, i'd buy them... create some ;)
[03:41] <Treenaks> DOH
[03:43] <\sh> ogra: u need to hit the top three of the most active bug resovlers ,->
[03:44] <ogra> \sh, hmm, includingthe uploads i do for you ?
[03:44] <\sh> ogra: uploads? which packages? ,-)
[03:46] <ogra> \sh, i'm still busy with ivoks... yours are next
[03:51] <\sh> new packages or toreview?
[03:51] <\sh> new packages u can forget first :)
[03:52] <\sh> most of the stuff is c++ + kde
[03:52] <ogra> \sh, everythin thats on the CXXLibrary page and not uploaded yet
[03:54] <\sh> ogra: ah the bugs :)
[03:54] <ogra> we need to come to an end with this transition...
[03:55] <\sh> ogra: i have really difficulties with one library here....if you have time later on, lets have a look together on it
[03:55] <\sh> build-deps conflicts + shitty patches etc.
[03:55] <ogra> \sh, sure, but later... i'm in a meeting currently and afterwards i'll do the "low hanging fruit" upload...
[03:55] <ogra> s
[03:56] <\sh> ogra: no problem
[04:22] <GheRivero> res people
[04:51] <\sh> time to go home
[04:51] <\sh> bbl
[04:52] <ivoks> bye
[05:41] <GheRivero> res
[05:55] <\sh> re
[05:57] <\sh> ok..renewing chroot
[06:12] <\sh> hmmm
[06:12] <\sh> I: Validating libconsole
[06:12] <\sh> E: Couldn't download libdb1-compat
[06:12] <\sh> debootstrap 0.2.45ubuntu35
[06:13] <\sh> for breezy
[06:14] <elmo> debootstrap needs fixed; file a bug
[06:14] <\sh> w8
[06:14] <\sh> trying the new one
[06:15] <elmo> debootstrap | 0.2.45ubuntu35 |        breezy | source, amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[06:15] <elmo> what new one?
[06:16] <\sh> looks like i have to update my hoary first
[06:17] <\sh> cause the new one has an unresolved dep on a glibc...w8
[06:17] <\sh> if this is not working, i will do a debootstrap hoary and change apt-sources to breezy afterwars
[06:17] <\sh> +d
[06:17] <\sh> and file a bug :)
[06:21] <\sh> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/59781
[06:21] <\sh> wrong chan :(
[06:21] <DanielN> :) habs verstanden ^^
[06:21] <\sh> very interessting anyways :)
[06:22] <DanielN> crazy guy
[06:23] <\sh> hormel? they're only holding the TM for software, namely screen savers
[06:23] <DanielN> yeah, i've read it
[06:24] <ogra> Spam
[06:25] <ogra> hehe
[06:25] <ogra> Spam
[06:25] <ogra> loool
[06:25] <\sh> ogra: it's a nice one...i think i will order some shirts ;)
[06:25] <DanielN> damn, theres a kernel update out ;(
[06:26] <\sh> ok debootstrap ubuntu35 is not working at all on hoary
[06:26] <ogra> \sh, and support these idiots ??
[06:26] <\sh> ogra: no :) i will go to the next butcher and ask for shirts with "fruehstuecksfleisch(tm)"
[06:27] <\sh> debootstrap ubuntu35 needs libc6 2.3.4-1
[06:27] <ogra> \sh, thats like patenting "a process to clean your ass with paper after you've been at the toilet"
[06:27] <DanielN> LOL
[06:27] <\sh> libc6 on hoary: 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[06:28] <ogra> and since the US has no prior art law anymore, you even could do it ;)
[06:28] <\sh> ogra: i should hurry and get a patent on it ;)
[06:28] <DanielN> US law is crazy anyway :)
[06:28] <ogra> yep... you would get very rich.....
[06:28] <ogra> except in arabia
[06:29] <\sh> and debootstrap ubuntu34 is broken :(
[06:30] <ogra> why do you use 34 ?
[06:30] <\sh> [18:27]  <\sh> debootstrap ubuntu35 needs libc6 2.3.4-1
[06:30] <\sh> [18:27]  <\sh> libc6 on hoary: 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[06:30] <ogra> why do you buld _anything_ on hoary then ?
[06:30] <\sh> and i updated right now my hoary after a while ;)
[06:31] <\sh> i'm trying to get a chroot again ;)
[06:31] <ogra> we only do packages for breezxy
[06:31] <\sh> and those two debootraps are with breezy files
[06:31] <\sh> see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[06:35] <DanielN> ugh .. i should "overthink" my when package again in this case :/
[06:36] <\sh> i think ogra is right, at least for my laptop ;) after I get my 160gb usb2 hd I will build my chroot again ;)
[06:37] <\sh> ogra: schnucki, which bootstrap  r u using on hoary for pbuilding breezy? ;)
[06:37] <\sh> *whizzle*
[06:38] <\sh> istribution is breezy.
[06:38] <\sh> Building the build environment
[06:38] <\sh>  -> running debootstrap
[06:38] <\sh> E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/breezy.buildd
[06:38] <\sh> pbuilder: debootstrap failed
[06:38] <\sh> harhar ;)
[06:38] <ogra> \sh, the one that gets installed on buildtime... i dont need to look at it, pbuilder cares if i run pbuilder update regulary  ;)
[06:38] <\sh> pbuilder depends on debootstrap ;) and the hoary doesn't know anything about breezy ;) so i need at least debootstrap ubuntu34 ;)
[06:38] <ogra> \sh, build a hoary pbuilder environment and update to brezy then
[06:40] <ivoks> hi
[06:41] <\sh> if I have no work at all, i will create work for myself...
[06:41] <ivoks> :)
[06:42] <\sh> hmm..troll time on #ubuntu
[06:57] <ogra_d> \sh, against which version of libcorelinux is your patch ? i cant apply it...
[06:58] <\sh> 0.4.32-5
[06:59] <\sh> the one from yesterday i think
[07:00] <ogra_d> hmm
[07:01] <ogra_d> oh... -p4 works, hehe
[07:01] <\sh> hu?
[07:01] <\sh> debdiff orig.dsc new.dsc
[07:01] <\sh> thats the result ;)
[07:01] <ogra_d> the path was a bit long...
[07:01] <ogra_d> didnt recognize it...
[07:02] <\sh> well
[07:02] <\sh> arkrpg will be my waterloo
[07:03] <ogra_d> lol, and i shouldnt expect patches to be applied after a --dry-run
[07:04] <\sh> I made something wrong?
[07:04] <ogra_d> nope, just my dumbness :)
[07:13] <\sh> ogra: good to here ,)
[07:13] <\sh> but i think i missed one or two conflicts or replaces
[07:14] <\sh> I'm not sure
[07:16] <ogra> \sh, nope, its ok
[07:16] <\sh> ogra: there r more ;)
[07:20] <ogra> what i'm wondering is why you did put config.sub and .guess in dar
[07:20] <\sh> did I
[07:20] <\sh> moment
[07:21] <ogra> yep, in the patch... instead of copying them from /usr/share/misc and build-depend on autotools-dev
[07:22] <\sh> w8...u will get a new patch...this i didn't see sorry...:(
[07:22] <ogra> np
[07:23] <ogra> just update the bug :)
[07:24] <\sh> on it :)
[07:25] <\sh> what is the size of an main+universe mirror?
[07:29] <Amaranth> Source file is a bz2 but bzip2 or gzip not available at /usr/bin/dh_make line 409, <STDIN> line 2. <--what would this mean?
[07:29] <Lathiat> for i386, no sources, ~14G
[07:29] <thom> Amaranth: you've not got bzip2 installed? ;-)
[07:29] <Amaranth> yes
[07:29] <\sh> Lathiat: hmmm...
[07:29] <\sh> this is easy
[07:30] <ogra> Amaranth, build-depend on it :)
[07:30] <Amaranth> ogra: dh_make is giving this error
[07:30] <thom> ogra: dude, that's dh_make
[07:30] <ogra> oops
[07:30] <\sh> hahaa
[07:30] <\sh> ogra: sudo apt-get install interdiff
[07:30] <Amaranth> well, i have a debian/ dir already, can i just make a foo.orig.tar.bz2 and run with it?
[07:31] <\sh> and I have config.sub in my diff
[07:31] <\sh> without interdiff it's working correctly
[07:31] <Amaranth> i mean, i have a debian/ dir i'm going to move in after dh_make
[07:31] <ogra> \sh, oki.... drop interdiff i would say :)
[07:31] <\sh> yeah
[07:33] <\sh> ogra: you're welcome to dwn the new patch :)
[07:33] <ogra> oki...
[07:34] <\sh> but strange behaviour i must say
[07:36] <ogra> err, did you submit it to #11046 ?
[07:37] <\sh> yeah
[07:37] <\sh> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=2493
[07:38] <\sh> drop your browser cache...it's useless ;)
[07:38] <ogra> hmm...
[07:38] <ogra> i cant.... :(
[07:38] <\sh> ??
[07:39] <\sh> should I dcc it to u?
[07:39] <ogra> thom, your dbg package is missing some functionallity ...
[07:39] <Amaranth> arg, i got a native package
[07:41] <thom> ogra: ym firefox-dbg?
[07:41] <ogra> yep
[07:41] <thom> yeah, i know
[07:41] <ogra> just upgrading to theregular package....
[07:41] <thom> good luck ;-)
[07:42] <ogra> heh
[07:42] <herve> hello fellow motus and motu-wanabee
[07:42] <ogra> hi herve
[07:42] <thom> i need to work out why it's crashy without debug but not with
[07:42] <herve> (wannabe? sounds better!)
[07:42] <\sh> hey herve
[07:42] <thom> most annoying
[07:42] <ogra> herve, "hopefuls"
[07:42] <\sh> ../../include/maps.h:33: error: an explicit specialization must be preceded by 'template <>'
[07:43] <\sh> aspseek
[07:43] <herve> ogra, for sure it's better than "full of illusions!
[07:43] <ogra> lol
[07:43] <ogra> do you really think we leave room for illusions ?
[07:44] <herve> I can't answer, I lost mine long ago
[07:44] <ogra> heh
[07:44] <\sh> argl...tomorrow is technical meeting right?
[07:45] <herve> when? (gmt please :-))
[07:45] <ogra> only fo things that need mdz and couldnt get discussed last time
[07:47] <ogra> \sh, there is still a config.{sub,guess} in the patch, regardless in which browser i open it
[07:47] <ogra> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=2493
[07:49] <\sh> ??
[07:50] <\sh> i need sleep moment
[07:50] <herve> hibernation? :-)
[07:51] <\sh> i don't get it.
[07:51] <\sh> debdiff gives me this
[07:52] <\sh> but u see that i copied it from usr/share/misc
[07:52] <\sh> I'm really blind
[07:52] <ogra> \sh, copy it at build time (in debian/rules)... not into the patch ;)
[07:53] <\sh> ogra: it is
[07:53] <\sh> +       cp /usr/share/misc/config.* .
[07:53] <\sh> in the configure section before configure
[07:53] <ogra> then delete these files from the source tree before diffing
[07:54] <herve> hmm... segfault with synaptic
[07:54] <\sh> ogra: and then debdiff will give you "- config.guess" ;)
[07:55] <ogra> hmm, true... so dont touch them at all...
[07:55] <\sh> ogra:funny thing? the first patch I didn't touch it in any ways
[08:00] <\sh> argl
[08:00] <\sh>         ifneq "$(wildcard /usr/share/misc/config.sub)" ""
[08:00] <\sh>                 cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub config.sub
[08:00] <\sh>         endif
[08:00] <\sh>         ifneq "$(wildcard /usr/share/misc/config.guess)" ""
[08:00] <\sh>                 cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.guess config.guess
[08:00] <\sh>         endif
[08:00] <\sh> in clean:
[08:00] <\sh> moment
[08:01] <ogra> heh... crazy
[08:01] <ogra> but not as bad as poker3d
[08:02] <\sh> as i said, i'm blind :(
[08:04] <\sh> and if anything goes straight, we will have another jabber guru on board :)
[08:05] <\sh> blvszcz: ping
[08:09] <\sh> i don't get it
[08:11] <\sh> ah
[08:11] <\sh> hehe
[08:11] <\sh> funny
[08:12] <\sh> orig.tar has after diff.gz no config.{guess,sub}
[08:12] <\sh> in the clean rule it creates them
[08:12] <\sh> thats why u have them in the diff
[08:13] <ogra> nope... your diff should only reflect _your_ changes, so they shouldnt show up there at all
[08:13] <\sh> give it now another shot...it's ugly but i will help
[08:13] <\sh> ogra: not my fault :)
[08:14] <ogra> heh
[08:14] <ogra> i dont care about any faults....just want to have that list done, to finally be able to do my actual work
[08:14] <ogra> without doko poking me all day :)
[08:15] <\sh> well....
[08:15] <Amaranth> what list?
[08:15] <doko> ?
[08:15] <ogra> Amaranth, Cxx transition :)
[08:15] <Amaranth> isn't that, well, huge for universe?
[08:16] <ogra> nah, the libs page is pretty sure done this week...
[08:16] <Amaranth> wow
[08:16] <Amaranth> rock
[08:17] <Amaranth> then its just a matter of waiting for apps to rebuild/fixing apps so they rebuild?
[08:17] <\sh> aspseek is quite annoying and arkrpg can't be finished until I have a nice xorg and correct build-deps
[08:17] <ogra> as long as you guys go on to provide patches :)
[08:17] <Amaranth> heh
[08:17] <\sh> aspseek has no new patches since 2003 in the debian package and upstream
[08:17] <ogra> Amaranth, nope... the library names have changed... we need to touch every app once
[08:18] <Amaranth> i thought someone in debian had a bug report where they were supplying patches for all this stuff
[08:18] <\sh> Amaranth: i checked CxxUniverseBla
[08:18] <\sh> no debian patch at all
[08:18] <\sh> last bugs.debian.org entry from 2003
[08:18] <\sh> and cvsview of this project is from my site not reachable
[08:19] <\sh> and when I'm done with pleasing ogra, i will take some other packages
[08:19] <ogra> \sh, then i would consider it _very_ stable ;)
[08:19] <Amaranth> or a dead project
[08:19] <\sh> the latter
[08:19] <ogra> thats the other name for it, yes ;)
[08:20] <\sh> if I can't reach it tomorrow from office, I will write an remark: DROP IT ;)
[08:20] <Amaranth> oh, i was supposed to wrap that in <sarcasm> tags, these things don't translate well
[08:22] <\sh> i give up
[08:24] <\sh> ok...last try for this minute ;)
[08:25] <\sh> and german devs running away from gentoo...
[08:25] <\sh> I think there is war in -core somewhere
[08:26] <ogra> tell them they are welcome here ;)
[08:30] <\sh> they won't come
[08:34] <\sh> shit
[08:34] <\sh> sorry
[08:34] <\sh> nagra is broken again :( no ppv....have to go...
[08:34] <\sh> bbl guys
[08:38] <herve> Lathiat, ping
[08:39] <herve> wow, doko and ogra really trusted breezy-changes today!
[08:39] <herve> congrats for your good work, guys
[08:43] <ogra> herve, no way i could cope with dokos mass uploads ;)
[08:45] <herve> either he is not human, or he hired indian developers to work under hid name :-)
[08:47] <ogra> herve, i guess doko has a crowd of little helpers in the cabinet
[08:50] <herve> lamont, ping
[08:51] <lamont> ack
[08:51] <herve> given that report: http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/?show=http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/t/tulip/2.0.2-4ubuntu3/tulip_2.0.2-4ubuntu3_20050523-1656-ia64-failed.gz
[08:51] <herve> will it be tried again and again, I don't have anything to do but waiting?
[08:52] <ogra> as long as glut's package names dont change....dunnop if daniels has to touch them too
[08:53] <lamont> herve: I keep tossing lots of packages back.  at some point, I'll give _everything_ back, and we'll see what really falls out
[08:53] <herve> lamont, ok there's a human behind it :-)
[08:53] <herve> thanks!
[08:53] <herve> er, another thing
[08:54] <herve> this package was never built on powerpc
[08:54] <herve> not even at the time of the sync with debian
[08:54] <lamont> herve: if the build actually gets to dpkg-buildpackage, and gets retried, there was a human involved.
[08:54] <lamont> (well, modulo SIGILL on ppc. :-)
[08:55] <herve> it's disorienting not to see any build report on powerpc :-)
[09:14] <herve> ogra, you wanted to make your build log list compatible with IE?
[09:15] <ogra> herve, nope...
[09:15] <ogra> herve, what makes you think that ?
[09:16] <herve> the use of javascript for line highlighting
[09:16] <ogra> herve, doesnt it work in IE (i havent one around) ?
[09:16] <herve> it should
[09:16] <herve> try "tr:hover { background: ...
[09:17] <herve> less code, more pleasure :-)
[09:18] <ogra> herve, i'll do.. once i'll touch it again... but regardthat i'm a big javascript fan ;)
[09:19] <herve> ex-perl developer? :-)
[09:20] <ogra> herve, yep
[09:20] <thesaltydog> someone from ubuntu-devel asked me to join this channel for questions concerning my application...
[09:20] <ogra> herve, i wrote tons of DB frontends
[09:21] <ogra> herve, cgi/perl/javascript
[09:21] <thesaltydog> php..
[09:21] <ogra> bah
[09:21] <thesaltydog> it's a matter of what you need...
[09:21] <ogra> herve, would you like to review thesaltydog's package ?
[09:22] <thesaltydog> herve, hello.
[09:22] <herve> a db front-end in javascript...
[09:22] <herve> what is it about?
[09:22] <thesaltydog> herve, no, please. perl is the best for that.
[09:22] <lamont> micropolygon.cpp:41: error: declaration of 'Aqsis::CqMemoryPool<Aqsis::CqMicroPolygon, 512l> Aqsis::CqPoolable<Aqsis::CqMicroPolygon, 512l>::m_thePool' outside of class is not definition
[09:22] <lamont> micropolygon.cpp:42: error: declaration of 'Aqsis::CqMemoryPool<Aqsis::CqMovingMicroPolygonKey, 512l> Aqsis::CqPoolable<Aqsis::CqMovingMicroPolygonKey, 512l>::m_thePool' outside of class is not definition
[09:23] <lamont> aqsis wants love
[09:23] <herve> thesaltydog, I listen to you
[09:24] <thesaltydog> herve, I am the author of Ubuntu Bootup Manager. You know it?
[09:24] <herve> hmm...
[09:24] <herve> the graphical application for screwing up one's system? :-)
[09:24] <thesaltydog> herve, yes that one.
[09:25] <thesaltydog> herve, and with the last update including rcS it can screw up very well!
[09:25] <herve> yoohoo...
[09:25] <herve> well, you know my concerns
[09:25] <herve> but technically speaking, I'll review your package
[09:25] <herve> url?
[09:26] <ogra> herve, its on UniverseCandidates
[09:26] <ogra> afaik
[09:26] <thesaltydog> http://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubm.html
[09:26] <herve> ogra, that was a test ;-)
[09:26] <ogra> at least abelli told me he added it
[09:26] <ogra> herve, i didnt look myself yet :-P
[09:26] <thesaltydog> and for docs use this http://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubmdocs.html
[09:26] <herve> thesaltydog, package url!
[09:27] <thesaltydog> herve, it is in UniverseCandidates
[09:27] <herve> I'm afraid you failed the first test ;-)
[09:27] <thesaltydog> herve, ?
[09:27] <ogra> thesaltydog, we need a source .deb
[09:27] <thesaltydog> wait
[09:27] <herve> ogra, I would expect it on NewPackages
[09:28] <ogra> herve, hmm.. maybe
[09:28] <thesaltydog> herve, http://www.marzocca.net/linux/downloads/ubm_1.2.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[09:28] <herve> just a description on UC
[09:28] <thesaltydog> herve, next week a new version with localization
[09:28] <thesaltydog> herve, there is description and also a note from me on UC
[09:29] <herve> there will always be a new version
[09:29] <herve> I'm just here to evaluate the quality of the debianizing
[09:29] <ogra> thesaltydog, a source .... thats a binary package... do you have a .dsc, diff.gz and orig.tar.gz for it ?
[09:29] <herve> users will be your very own functionnal torture test
[09:29] <thesaltydog> herve, it is perl-gtk2. The source is the program itself!
[09:29] <herve> diff.gz! tell me you have a diff.gz!
[09:29] <herve> you failed the second test ;-)
[09:30] <herve> thesaltydog, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseNewPackages
[09:30] <thesaltydog> herve, ok. Doesn't matter. I am an happy boy (of 49) anyway..
[09:30] <ogra> herve, dont play the french inquisitor ;)
[09:30] <herve> you source package url should be listed here
[09:31] <thesaltydog> herve, the url I gave you include the sources. It is perl
[09:31] <ogra> thesaltydog, ubuntu accepts only source packages for upload, we cant upload a binary to the buildd's
[09:31] <thesaltydog> ogra, a binary?? perl code is a script not a binary..
[09:32] <herve> we mean the source of the package itself
[09:32] <ogra> so we need the source you built it from.... normally .dsc, diff.gz and orig.tar.gz
[09:32] <herve> we promote open source or not? :-)
[09:32] <ogra> heh
[09:32] <thesaltydog> ah, complications. Ok. Doesn't matter. Thank you all anyway.
[09:32] <herve> thesaltydog, for building a package
[09:32] <herve> you should have read some litterature
[09:32] <ogra> thesaltydog, how did you build that package without a source package ?
[09:33] <herve> ogra, manual tar+ar ;-)
[09:33] <ogra> hmm
[09:34] <herve> you even refer to the debian policy
[09:34] <herve> so you should know what a source package is
[09:34] <thesaltydog> herve, listen boys, I have enjoyed in writing the application. IT IS debian-policy compliant. The package runs fine in lintian.
[09:34] <herve> sorry but I want to see it by myself
[09:35] <ogra> thesaltydog, but we cand include .deb packages.... we need the source from which the package (not the app) is built
[09:35] <herve> no one here will blindly upload a package
[09:35] <thesaltydog> herve, I can provide you a tgz with the source. But if you unpack the deb, the source is inside..
[09:35] <ogra> thesaltydog, we dont talk about the app here
[09:35] <herve> debian nor ubuntu work like that
[09:36] <herve> I don't see how you would have concerns about providing the source package
[09:36] <ogra> thesaltydog, a package is build by the buildd from the three (or sometines only two) files i mentioned above
[09:36] <thesaltydog> herve, I am not concerned. The source is inside the package. If you want, I can unpack it and provide you
[09:36] <ogra> it doesnt matter if your app is a script or not for this
[09:37] <herve> thesaltydog, remember you ran dpkg-buildpackage or debuild?
[09:37] <ogra> thesaltydog, forget the word script or app here, its only about the package
[09:37] <thesaltydog> herve, dpkg-deb
[09:38] <herve> ogra, manual tar+ar I said...
[09:38] <thesaltydog> herve, fakeroot dpkg-deb --build debian
[09:38] <ogra> hmm
[09:38] <thesaltydog> ogra, what is this...a "court".?
[09:39] <herve> thesaltydog, I don't get how you would have read the debian policy and all, and haven't made the basic set up of a debian package
[09:39] <herve> you obviously missed a step
[09:39] <thesaltydog> herve, so I did it with a step less!
[09:39] <herve> you did it wrong, that's the point
[09:39] <ogra> thesaltydog, nope, but we try to explain what we need from you to include the package in ubuntu
[09:39] <herve> no package in debian nor ubuntu is built this way
[09:40] <thesaltydog> herve, ok. Doesn't matter. Sorry to disturb.
[09:40] <herve> check debian's new maintainer guide
[09:40] <herve> gniiiiiiii
[09:40] <ogra> ARGH
[09:40] <ogra> !
[09:40] <ogra> !!
[09:40] <ogra> !!!!
[09:40] <herve> either he lacks of humour,
[09:40] <herve> or we're in the twilight zone
[09:40] <ogra> oh, missed one
[09:40] <ogra> !!!
[09:40] <Mithrandir> moo.
[09:41] <Mithrandir> ogra: can you verify that firefox goes BOOM om http://www.clasohlson.no ?
[09:41] <Mithrandir> (amd64)
[09:41] <ogra> Mithrandir, ff goes boom on every second click here, thats why i downgraded to mozilla-ff
[09:41] <herve> okay on i386, in any case
[09:42] <ogra> Mithrandir, thim knows about it...
[09:42] <Mithrandir> ogra: ok.
[09:42] <ogra> thom even
[09:42] <ogra> but it seems to be an amd64ism
[09:42] <herve> ogra, if abelli knows him, he'll try to make him understand
[09:42] <ogra> herve, i hope so
[09:42] <Mithrandir> ogra: serves us right for having a decent architecture.
[09:43] <herve> ogra, thim the enchanter? :-)
[09:43] <ogra> herve, else i'd have to write such an app myself or find someone else :) http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalConfigTools
[09:44] <herve> I really prefer the UI of yours
[09:44] <herve> more compliant to the intended audience
[09:45] <ogra> herve, sure, but its only a mockup
[09:45] <herve> users in need of it clearly don't know about runlevels
[09:45] <ogra> yep
[09:45] <herve> sure, but I only considered the UI :-)
[09:45] <ogra> thats the idea behind it
[09:45] <herve> I'll happily review your package ;-)
[09:46] <herve> by the way, I should introduce myself to cputemp...
[09:46] <herve> ogra, tell me you use gnu arch!
[09:47] <ogra> herve, i'm learning bazaar currently, my company wants it ;)
[09:47] <Mithrandir> ogra: :P
[09:47] <ogra> :-D
[09:48] <herve> good one
[09:48] <herve> it's still arch behind it
[09:48] <herve> er, ogra
[09:48] <ajmitch> hi
[09:49] <herve> I can't find the sources of cputemp
[09:49] <herve> hi ajmitch!
[09:49] <ogra> huh ?
[09:49] <herve> you want a package review too? :-)
[09:49] <ogra> herve, there is no package yet....
[09:49] <herve> even a tarball
[09:49] <ogra> herve, its just a stolen script from Keybuk i changed :-P
[09:49] <herve> so I already have the latest sources?
[09:49] <ogra> yep
[09:50] <herve> mind if I "arch" it?
[09:50] <ogra> nope, not at all
[09:50] <herve> but I'd probably won't have the same habits as the ones you would learn
[09:50] <herve> what the heck...
[09:53] <herve> hi abelli
[09:54] <ogra> hey abelli
[09:54] <herve> ogra, no need to "arch" the source package in fact
[09:55] <ajmitch> ogra: so, are you uploading the c++ libs I changed? :)
[09:55] <herve> let's just agree on a version number
[09:55] <ogra> ajmitch, nope, why should i ?
[09:55] <ogra> herve, 0.1 is a good start
[09:55] <ajmitch> ogra: I thought you were uploading everything you came across?
[09:55] <ogra> ajmitch, or do you prefer that i do it ?
[09:56] <ajmitch> I can do it easily enough
[09:56] <ogra> ajmitch, from everybody who cant upload himself...
[09:56] <ajmitch> ok
[09:56] <ajmitch> I might as well do mine once they are approved
[09:56] <ogra> ajmitch, i thought you wanted to reach the 400 ;) so i didnt touch your packages :)
[09:57] <ajmitch> hehe :)
[09:57] <ogra> ajmitch, i'll review them tomorrow...
[09:57] <ajmitch> I'll have to do some catching up
[09:57] <ajmitch> a couple of the ones I tried last night FTFBS with no patch in debian's BTS
[09:57] <ogra> ajmitch, are you in the maillist of the bugs in bugzilla ?
[09:57] <ajmitch> so they'll take a little longer
[09:57] <abelli> ciao a tutti ..
[09:58] <abelli> sorry for the delay
[09:58] <ajmitch> ogra: hmm?
[09:58] <herve> abelli, np
[09:58] <ogra> ajmitch, if i mark your packages as "ok" in bugzilla, do you get the mail ?
[09:59] <ajmitch> no idea :)
[09:59] <ajmitch> probably
[10:00] <ogra> ajmitch, so please set you on cc on your bugs... then you'll know when they are ready
[10:01] <herve> or in your preferences
[10:01] <herve> check your mail preferences
[10:01] <ajmitch> I received mail when submitting them
[10:02] <ajmitch> and when attaching patches
[10:02] <ogra> ajmitch, ah, great...
[10:02] <ajmitch> so I'd probably get mail otherwise
[10:02] <ogra> ajmitch, that was my qustion :)
[10:02] <ajmitch> there's only 8 libs there currently
[10:02] <ajmitch> I've still got to clean the others, and get some more working
[10:03] <ogra> ok
[10:04] <ajmitch> but I have to run off to work now, will talk to you later..
[10:08] <herve> ogra, you realize you have no manpage, no documentation, etc.? :-)
[10:09] <ogra> lol
[10:09] <ogra> herve,  _you_ wanted to package it
[10:09] <herve> hehe
[10:23] <herve> Lathiat, ping
[10:27] <herve> ogra, as I fill in the description, I feel like I'm documenting cputmp :-)
[10:46] <herve> It was downloaded from <fill in ftp site>
[10:46] <herve> ogra...
[10:46] <herve> :-)
[10:47] <herve> there's no license even
[10:47] <ogra> make it GPL
[10:47] <ogra> it was downloaded from "the internet" *g*
[10:47] <herve> from DCC ;-)
[10:48] <herve> no really, just put it on your ftp
[10:48] <herve> I feel like the most powerful maintainer in the world ;-)
[10:51] <herve> okay... I feel like I'd have to open my branch in the end
[10:51] <herve> tomorrow!
[10:51] <herve> night all
[10:51] <ogra> ciao
[10:52] <ajmitch> sigh, libcrypto++ is described as templates upon templates
[10:53] <ajmitch> I don't think I'll be patching it in a hurry
[10:54] <abelli> ciao a tutti
[10:55] <Burgundavia> who was looking for me?
[10:56] <ogra> Burgundavia, not me, but nice to see you anyway
[10:56] <ogra> :=)
[10:56] <Burgundavia> yes, I saw the blue but it goes lost in scrollback
[10:57] <Burgundavia> found it
[10:57] <ogra> Burgundavia, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[10:57] <ogra> ;)
[10:58] <ajmitch> hi Burgundavia
[10:58] <Burgundavia> no, I log everything as well
[10:58] <Burgundavia> hey ogra ajmitch
[10:58] <tseng|work> snmp sucks the big on
[10:58] <tseng|work> e
[10:59] <ogra> tseng|work, nah, its fun.... ;)
[10:59] <ogra> (if you are crazy enough)
[11:00] <ogra> Burgundavia, might have been about the games team...
[11:00] <ogra> Burgundavia, <ogra>	hondje, for the games team, contact Burgundavia r siretart if one of them is around
[11:02] <tseng|work> ogra: nope
[11:02] <tseng|work> i need to be able to specify the start row for a bulkget
[11:02] <tseng|work> but you cant
[11:02] <ogra> hmm
[11:02] <tseng|work> you have to do a slow-as-shit walk or even worse getnext a thousand times
[11:03] <tseng|work> getbulk is only giving me back the first ~100 rows regardless of  how many interfaces there are
[11:03] <tseng|work> i need to read the RFC
[11:03] <ogra> yep
[11:04] <ogra> do you have the MIB ?
[11:05] <tseng|work> no
[11:05] <tseng|work> how do you mean?
[11:05] <tseng|work> its very standard stuff
[11:05] <tseng|work> ifIn/OutOctets
[11:05] <tseng|work> time to go home
[11:05] <tseng|work> bye :)
[11:15] <Mithrandir> ogra: updating the set of fonts seemed to mostly fix the crashes with ff.
[11:15] <ogra> ahh
[11:15] <ogra> great :)
[11:15] <Mithrandir> at least for me.
[11:16] <ajmitch> I haven't had firefox crash
[11:16] <ajmitch> unless it's been an amd64ism
[11:16] <Mithrandir> I've been through at least ten pages now, including closing an invalid bug in bugzilla.
[11:16] <ogra> i'll try it.. but not today anymore i need a reliable ff currently...
[11:25] <\sh> re
[11:26] <Burgundavia> seen this? http://www.whiprush.org/2005/05/were_our_own_wo.html
[11:26] <\sh> yes
[11:27] <Burgundavia> ouch
[11:27] <Burgundavia> that makes us look really relaly stupid
[11:28] <Mithrandir> well, Opera is a really, really good browser, IMHO.
[11:28] <Mithrandir> it's way faster than firefox, leaks less and provides a just as good user experience.
[11:28] <Burgundavia> yes, I used opera until I jumped to Ubuntu
[11:28] <Burgundavia> from version 3
[11:29] <elmo> Burgundavia: err, no it doesn't
[11:29] <Mithrandir> I worked at Opera from 1998 to 2002-ish
[11:29] <\sh> i don't like opera at all..konqui or firefox
[11:29] <Burgundavia> elmo, why not?
[11:29] <ogra> Burgundavia, the web admin of mozilla was in u-d yesterday.... they seem not to be able to do a real check for the vulnerabilitys...
[11:29] <elmo> because mozilla's handling of the situation is the real problem
[11:29] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:29] <Burgundavia> so it makes us both look bad
[11:29] <elmo> it was thom and RH who convinced them to even do what they're asking us to do in that bug
[11:29] <elmo> Burgundavia: no
[11:30] <ogra> only them
[11:30] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: because there isn't anything wrong with non-free software.  It's just non-free.
[11:30] <Burgundavia> Mithrandir, Opera is a very nice piece of software. Unfortunately, ff integrated better with gnome, and I get my security updates from syn
[11:31] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: I used to have an apt repository on ftp.opera.com.. :P
[11:31] <\sh> giving dar another try to get ogra pleased ;)
[11:31] <ogra> \sh, not today anymore...
[11:32] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: and I'd probably still provide it, if redistribution was allowed.
[11:32] <\sh> ogra: I've just had trouble enough for today...so only one shot for me, and then well, I don't know...sleep or something
[11:32] <ogra> Mithrandir, any chance they will port it to a sane widget set once ?
[11:32] <ogra> \sh, same here
[11:32] <Burgundavia> Mithrandir, they actually have a repo as well, but apparently it doesn't have a 8
[11:32] <Mithrandir> ogra: we had an ncurses port, like six years ago.  Does that count?
[11:33] <\sh> ogra: you're lucky that you're not at this company anymore
[11:33] <Mithrandir> or possibly more like five.
[11:33] <ogra> Mithrandir, curses > QT ;)
[11:33] <ogra> \sh, i am, thats why i resigned ;)
[11:33] <Mithrandir> ogra: it was probably the first curses-based browser with CSS and Javascript support. ;-)
[11:33] <ogra> wow
[11:34] <Mithrandir> ogra: I doubt we'll see a GTK port, mainly because Troll is one floor downstairs from Opera.
[11:34] <ogra> heh, i was suspecting that :) norwegian conspiracy
[11:35] <\sh> lol
[11:35] <\sh> ogra: i don't really know what you have against QT ;)
[11:35] <ivoks> oy
[11:35] <ivoks> :)
[11:35] <ogra> btw, i learnded to know \sh because he wor a QT t-shirt :)
[11:36] <\sh> haaahahaha
[11:36] <\sh> yeah
[11:36] <\sh> i got it from a qt girl in exchange for a six pack
[11:36] <\sh> cebit 2001
[11:36] <Mithrandir> ogra: we have to have some conspiracies we too. :)
[11:36] <ogra> hmm, a QT girl exchange
[11:37] <ogra> Mithrandir, so its not a privilege of the brazilians ? :)
[11:37] <Mithrandir> ogra: there's a swedish one too.
[11:37] <\sh> well, no doubt she was falling in love just because I was wearing a nice redhat fedora :)
[11:38] <\sh> and now I screwed up the whole diff of dar
[11:38] <\sh> so lets try it tomorrow from scratch
[11:38] <ogra> \sh, you were *wearing* a redhat fedora ?
[11:38] <ogra> wow
[11:38] <\sh> ogra: yepp..I have one
[11:38] <ivoks> omg, fedora :)
[11:38] <\sh> a red one :)
[11:38] <ivoks> should we kick and ban him? :)
[11:39] <\sh> ivoks: well...i was working for them :)
[11:39] <ogra> ivoks, nah, he has overcome it :)
[11:39] <ivoks> kline is maybe better? :)
[11:39] <ivoks> hehe
[11:39] <\sh> also handsigned "under the brim" book of bob young :)
[11:40] <\sh> well..
[11:40] <\sh> I need to find my tux air chair again
[11:41] <ivoks> so, I sould add my self on CCA?
[11:41] <ivoks> under MemberCandidates
[11:42] <\sh> http://www.cd-rom.de/k/431/431649.shtml
[11:42] <ivoks> new network manager should be build on top of gentoo scripts
[11:43] <ogra> ivoks, ???
[11:43] <ivoks> just a suggestion
[11:43] <ivoks> their scripts detects (un)pluged cable and enviorment
[11:44] <\sh> gentoo scripts? u mean the how to of the new maintainer guide, or gentoo :;)
[11:44] <ivoks> where ever you are, you just plug cable in
[11:44] <ivoks> if there is dhcp, it will take ip from dhcp
[11:44] <ivoks> if there isn't dhcp, it will self-assign IP in subnet that is in use
[11:44] <\sh> well...on debian it's called "guessnet"
[11:45] <ivoks> guessnet sucks compared to gentoo scripts
[11:45] <ivoks> on gentoo, there is no predefined
[11:45] <\sh> ivoks: u don't want to deal with gentoo scripts...it's a mess
[11:45] <ivoks> he doesn't guess
[11:45] <ivoks> he knows
[11:46] <ivoks> \sh: i expanded gentoo network script
[11:46] <ivoks> like it or not, they are best network scipts
[11:46] <\sh> net.eth0 is a piece of a b*tch
[11:47] <ivoks> but it works
[11:47] <ogra> ivoks, whats wrong with ifplugd for that ?
[11:47] <ivoks> never tried that
[11:48] <ogra> try it, it does exactly that
[11:48] <ivoks> another daemon?
[11:48] <ivoks> omg, linux desktop looks worse than windows
[11:49] <ajmitch> looks worse?
[11:49] <ivoks> this should be designed on dbus...
[11:50] <ajmitch> NM will use dbus for notifying apps that support it
[11:50] <ivoks> why apps?
[11:50] <ivoks> why don't run dhclient or something?
[11:50] <ivoks> s/don\'t/not
[11:51] <ajmitch> it can do that as well, but we were talking about the desktop
[11:51] <ajmitch> so I mentioned app notification
[11:51] <ivoks> ah, ok
[11:52] <ivoks> i hope, network-admin wouldn't be that app :)
[11:52] <Unfrgiven> hi all
[11:52] <ajmitch> ivoks: http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/
[11:52] <ajmitch> hi Unfrgiven
[11:52] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: how are you?
[11:53] <ajmitch> I'm alright
[11:53] <ajmitch> at work at the moment
[11:53] <ivoks> ajmitch: you are porting this to ubuntu?
[11:53] <ajmitch> it's being done
[11:54] <Unfrgiven> cool... im going late today so that i can attend the community council meeting
[11:54] <ajmitch> thom is mainly working on it
[11:54] <ajmitch> when is the CC meeting?
[11:54] <Unfrgiven> in 5 min
[11:54] <ivoks> is there debian/ so i don't have to create my own
[11:54] <thom> ivoks: leave NM
[11:54] <ivoks> 5min? where?
[11:54] <thom> ivoks: it needs love and dependencies
[11:54] <ajmitch> ivoks: #ubuntu-meeting, as always
[11:54] <ivoks> thom: i thought just try :)
[11:54] <Unfrgiven> #ubuntu-meeting
[11:54] <ajmitch> ah, thom is here :)
[11:55] <thom> but yeah, there's a whole bunch of stuff needs packaging before NM can work
[11:55] <ajmitch> thom: anything I can help with on the side then?
[11:56] <ajmitch> I know the udu spec talks about patching some apps
[11:56] <\sh> Meeting today?
[11:56] <ivoks> tes
[11:56] <ivoks> yes
[11:56] <Unfrgiven> \sh: yeah
[11:56] <ivoks> i didn't know too :)
[11:56] <\sh> CC? it's not on the calendar
[11:56] <\sh> adhoc meeting ;)
[11:57] <Unfrgiven> \sh: it is on the calendar
[11:57] <\sh> may 24
[11:57] <\sh> two times
[11:57] <Unfrgiven> second from the top :)
[11:57] <\sh> yes...may 24
[11:57] <\sh> may 24, 22:00 utc cca
[11:57] <ivoks> 2min
[11:58] <ajmitch> check your clock..
[11:58] <Unfrgiven> oh no.... i think im one whole day early!
[11:58] <ajmitch> it's 23rd in UTC
[11:58] <Unfrgiven> dammit!!!
[11:58] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: sorry :)
[11:58] <thom> ajmitch: at the moment, no. i need to merge stuff across from my laptop and upload it
[11:58] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: its my stupidity :) and probably the fact that i'm so keen to become a member
[11:59] <ivoks> :)
[11:59] <ajmitch> thom: ok, by the time you've done that I should be free from uni & able to help
[11:59] <\sh> what now? for me it's may 24, 22UTC = may 25, 00:00 GMT+2
[11:59] <ogra> Unfrgiven, you could wait... its only 24h from now :-P
[11:59] <ivoks> hahaha
[11:59] <ivoks> tomorrow?! :)
[11:59] <Unfrgiven> :)
[11:59] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: you'll have to be late for work 2 days in a row?
[11:59] <ivoks> we suck :)
[12:00] <ivoks> Day changed to 24 May 2005
[12:00] <\sh> and it was announced on the ML , that the CCA is 2h after TB
[12:00] <ivoks> when is TB?
[12:00] <\sh> 20 utc also may 24
[12:00] <ivoks> that's 22CET
[12:00] <\sh> it's noted on the Calendar
[12:01] <\sh> ogra: it's time for a brain reset...