[12:00] <novaflare> that would be a huge help
[12:00] <novaflare> email prob best bet
[12:00] <novaflare> novaflare@gmail.com
[12:00] <novaflare> now im on a 9kpro agp vid card
[12:00] <hondje> is dcc disabled on freenode, or is it just me?
[12:00] <novaflare> does that make a diffrence
[12:01] <novaflare> and also do i need to install any thing
[12:01] <mattlins> pestilence: I get unable to execute binary file then..
[12:01] <novaflare> drivers libs etc?
[12:01] <Pakal> Hi, I installed Ubuntu Hoary and Im trying to play MP3 and OGG music files with rhytmbox, I installed gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:01] <pestilence> novaflare: http://rafb.net/paste/results/llqG6N34.html
[12:01] <TriniTriggs> yikes.  mount said: "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda4, missing codepage or other error.  In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so
[12:01] <Pakal> and the message "not installed plugin" is gone
[12:01] <crimsun> Pakal: so mp3s should work fine.
[12:02] <pestilence> novaflare: that probably won't work for you as-is, you will have to modify it.  but it's a very good start i think.
[12:02] <crimsun> Pakal: ogg vorbis (and ogg flac) is supported out-of-box
[12:02] <Pakal> but I can't select any file
[12:02] <nova> yeh
[12:02] <Jormundgand> I plan to get a new graphics card in the near future. How will Ubuntu cope with the switch?
[12:02] <nova> lcd i seen
[12:02] <hondje> Jormundgand: easier if you get a nvidia one
[12:02] <Jormundgand> hondje: I do.
[12:02] <nova> ill probably need to figure out model etc of my secoundary display etc
[12:02] <TriniTriggs> yay.  I got it
[12:02] <Jormundgand> plan on getting an nVidia one*
[12:02] <hondje> I went nvidia -> nvidia, went fine with debian
[12:02] <crimsun> Jormundgand: you may have to consult wiki/BinaryDriverHowto again
[12:03] <hondje> nothing to mess with, just turn on and off
[12:03] <pestilence> nova: not neccessarily...you just need to know the horiz. and vert. freq ranges
[12:03] <crimsun> Jormundgand: if you stick with the same manufacturer, there shouldn't be any problems.
[12:03] <nuOpus> crimson: Ya ... I rip new stuff to ogg ... but I wish there was some way to convert mp3 to ogg without losing anything. One lossy format to another and you can tell the difference
[12:03] <Curlydave> sup gangstas?
[12:03] <Cybermagellan> What does MOTU stand for?
[12:03] <nova> o ok
[12:03] <nova> thats easy or should be
[12:03] <Curlydave> i dunno, but it's like a server info thing
[12:03] <Jormundgand> Cybermagellan: Masters Of The Universe.
[12:04] <pestilence> nova: should be.  you could always see what it's at now using the OSD on the monitor, and set the range to be XX-XX where XX is what it's at now :)
[12:04] <Cybermagellan> Jormundgand, for real? In regards to Ubuntu?
[12:04] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: we maintain the 16,000+ packages in universe/multiverse
[12:04] <Fator_Dee> Cybermagellan: for real yes :-)
[12:04] <Jormundgand> Cybermagellan: Yes. The MOTU are the cabal who keep the universe repo going.
[12:05] <Cybermagellan> crimsun, Jormundgand , is there any specific responsibilities dealing with being a MOTU?
[12:05] <[rSr] Gimp> hey
[12:05] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: join #ubuntu-motu
[12:05] <Jormundgand> Cybermagellan: No idea, since I'm not one.
[12:05] <Cybermagellan> Ok...
[12:05] <[rSr] Gimp> i tried installing the universe repository but it tried to download it from the internet
[12:06] <[rSr] Gimp> and im trying to set up my wireless network card so my internet isnt working
[12:06] <[rSr] Gimp> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToAccessTheUniverseRepository
[12:06] <nova> yeh is what im doing pestilince heheh
[12:06] <Jormundgand> [rSr] Gimp: What do you mean it tried to download it?
[12:06] <nuOpus> [rSr] Gimp: What kind of wireless
[12:06] <[rSr] Gimp> d-link dwl-520
[12:06] <nuOpus> [rSr] Gimp: it will go to internet and download headers ... sort of like a catalog so your system knows what is available
[12:06] <[rSr] Gimp> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DLinkDWL520E1
[12:06] <nova> crap ill need to boot to windows to get that though
[12:07] <pestilence> nova: ?
[12:07] <nuOpus> [rSr] Gimp: I use one of those on my Desktop machine!
[12:07] <nova> the opsd
[12:07] <[rSr] Gimp> :D
[12:07] <pestilence> nova: it's typically available on the monitor itself.
[12:07] <nova> osd even
[12:07] <[rSr] Gimp> can you help me install it?
[12:07] <nova> my cheapy 2nd displa is in 800x 600
[12:07] <mattlins> Can someone tell me how to install the xorg-x11-deprecated-libs package?
[12:07] <nuOpus> [rSr] Gimp: You can use the linuxand driverloader .... since Dlink purchases a license for it ... you do not have to buy driverloader
[12:08] <nuOpus> and it works better than ndiswrapper
[12:08] <nova> yeh i know
[12:08] <mattlins> I need these for the Netbeans install.
[12:08] <nova> but right now that monitor is in 800x600
[12:08] <[rSr] Gimp> where can i get that?
[12:08] <nova> i need it at 1280x1024 heh
[12:08] <nuOpus> first think you need are the windows drivers
[12:08] <hondje> nova: That's in your xorg.conf file
[12:08] <nuOpus> hold
[12:08] <[rSr] Gimp> i have that card installed on this pc too and its running windows
[12:09] <toxicfume> hi all
[12:09] <LSD> yo whenever i try to play an audio cd i burned using k3b under linux, the damn cd skips at certain intervals. I tried it in 5 different cd players... : - \
[12:09] <nuOpus> download this: http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/wlan/full/archive/driverloader-2.27/driverloader_2.27_i386.deb
[12:10] <[rSr] Gimp> k
[12:10] <nuOpus> driverloader lets you use the WinXP drivers that came with your card
[12:10] <[rSr] Gimp> yay
[12:10] <toxicfume> what are the storage requirements for installing ubuntu? how much free space do i need?
[12:10] <Loevborg> LSD, have you checked whether you've enabled DMA for you cd burner?
[12:10] <LSD> what's DMA?
[12:10] <mattlins> driverloader is awesome
[12:10] <nuOpus> normally you have to pay for it ..... but for all dlink cards its free
[12:10] <goldfish> Direct Memory Access.
[12:10] <[rSr] Gimp> so should i just burn it to a cd and then do ./driverloader_2.27_i386.deb?
[12:10] <nuOpus> no
[12:10] <Loevborg> toxicfume, look at the hoary release notes.
[12:10] <goldfish> LSD: It will make the skipping go away usually.
[12:10] <LSD> and how do i check this dma ?
[12:10] <pestilence> LSD: sudo hdparm -d /dev/cdrom
[12:11] <pestilence> or whatever your cdrom is...
[12:11] <nuOpus> do a sudo dpkg -i driverloader_2.27_i386.deb
[12:11] <[rSr] Gimp> what do i do with it? :/
[12:11] <nuOpus> and it will install it
[12:11] <[rSr] Gimp> k
[12:11] <Loevborg> LSD, do: hdparm -d /dev/cdrom | grep using_dma
[12:11] <toxicfume> Loevborg: where can i see the release notes?
[12:11] <nuOpus> tell me wht it says afterwords
[12:11] <Loevborg> toxicfume, that, you'll have to look for on the web site.
[12:11] <[rSr] Gimp> ok ill brb
[12:11] <mattlins> To install the xorg-x11-deprecated-libs package, should I just download the rpm? or is there a better way?
[12:11] <LSD> root@dsl081-050-234:/home/alvaro # sudo hdparm -d /dev/cdrom
[12:11] <LSD> /dev/cdrom:
[12:11] <LSD>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[12:12] <LSD> that's what it says for the first command i was given to use
[12:12] <pestilence> LSD: you are using DMA on that drive, then.
[12:12] <Loevborg> LSD, thenI have no idea what your problem might be
[12:12] <nuOpus> after you instll it you will have to set a rood password at least temporarily. Do a sudo passwd root
[12:12] <LSD> :-\
[12:12] <toxicfume> Loevborg: i'm in the release note page (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/) but there is no mention of any requirements
[12:13] <steven__> when my machine starts, the alsa startup beeps a bunch of times and shows usage options... it says "invalid card ID"
[12:13] <[rSr] Gimp> i have a root password set up
[12:13] <nuOpus> then you go to http://localhost:18020, log in as root with the new password and upload your windows drivers using the web interface
[12:13] <nuOpus> after you are done lock the root account again .... sudo passwd -l root
[12:14] <steven__> when I start with knoppix, I get some error about sound_slot_0
[12:15] <toxicfume> Loevborg: help?
[12:15] <selinium> hondje: I am back!
[12:15] <hondje> and you survived!
[12:15] <toxicfume> I just want to know the minimum space required on harddisk to install ubuntu
[12:16] <toxicfume> (with normal packages, not the server install)
[12:16] <Curlydave> make my cd eject
[12:16] <Curlydave> arg
[12:16] <jay> toxicfume: like 1.2 gb or so iirc
[12:16] <nuOpus> you will like driverloader better than ndiswrapper because things like the link quality actually work in driverloader
[12:16] <hondje> Curlydave: umount -l /dev/hdc?
[12:16] <nuOpus> ndiswrapper always shows 100s%
[12:16] <hondje> since -f isn't working
[12:16] <Loevborg> toxicfume, I remember reading about it in the mailing lists, alas can't find it now.
[12:17] <toxicfume> jay: oh, I wanna know for sure becayse space is a little less
[12:17] <Curlydave> hondje: that doesn't seem to do anything
[12:17] <hondje> can you eject it now?
[12:17] <toxicfume> but how can they have have somethign so simple as a minimum requirements information? :S
[12:17] <hondje> probably not, but worth asking
[12:17] <toxicfume> *not have
[12:17] <jay> toxicfume: well most people have 1gb of space to spare these days...
[12:18] <anne> does anyone know why java says its enabled--but it still does not work for certain accounts?
[12:18] <Curlydave> hondje: I love you
[12:18] <Curlydave> do me now
[12:18] <toxicfume> jay: still, minimum/recommended requirements is a must
[12:18] <toxicfume> anyways
[12:18] <jay> toxicfume: it comes on the cd jackets
[12:18] <Loevborg> toxicfume, one of the devel guys said it was readily available, but I can't find it now, either.
[12:18] <toxicfume> I have a nother question
[12:18] <nuOpus> jay: I know someone that has 4 5gb drives set up in an array
[12:18] <nuOpus> jay: he does not have 1gb to spare
[12:18] <nuOpus> lol
[12:18] <hondje> Curlydave: you got it baby ;-)
[12:19] <jay> nuOpus: some people are indeed very protective of their pr0n ;)
[12:19] <hondje> precious porn
[12:19] <batma8> wow, so why does it keep tellin me i dont have permission to move or copy files
[12:20] <nuOpus> jay: the good ones are like gold
[12:20] <kent> batma8, what files?
[12:20] <toxicfume> I'm trying to install ubuntu on my laptop, but whenever i boot of the ubuntu installation CD, If i boot by default, it won't work, after saying "Uncompressing linux...." or something like that, the screen simply goes blank. I always have to use the "linux acpi=off" parameter, is there a workaround? Or is it okay to boot with the acpi=off parameter?
[12:20] <nickrud> Curlydave, you using nautilus?
[12:20] <kent> batma8, you get to move all files that is yours. The system-files cant be moved unless you use "sudo".
[12:20] <nuOpus> toxicfume: its because of the framebuffer
[12:20] <batma8> a driver file from desktop to etc/ndiswrapper/rt2500
[12:21] <toxicfume> nuOpus: I don't really understand that, but why does it happen? and is there a way around it?
[12:21] <batma8> im just so used to dos, this is frustrating
[12:21] <batma8> eheh
[12:21] <batma8> but im learning
[12:21] <Loevborg> toxicfume, there might be other options you'd want to try that don't disable power management (for example noapic)
[12:21] <kent> batma8, you cant move that file to that folder since its not owned by you.  /etc/ is a system-folder. You hve to move the file with sudo.
[12:21] <toxicfume> Loevborg: i tried noapic, but that didn't seem to work
[12:21] <nuOpus> loevborg: I have this exact prob
[12:21] <nuOpus> loevborg: thats not it
[12:21] <kent> batma8, in a terminal do "sudo mv file /etc/.. "
[12:22] <batma8> thanks bro
[12:22] <batma8> ill give it a shot
[12:22] <jay> toxicfume: manufatuers like to ship buggy acpi implementations.  if power management works with apm then don't work it.  might want to explicitly pass apm=on
[12:22] <nuOpus> toxicfume: linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false
[12:22] <jay> toxicfume: *then don't worry about it, rather
[12:22] <nuOpus> toxicfume: linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false
[12:22] <nuOpus> especially on a laptop that is more likely
[12:22] <nuOpus> when you boot just type that in at the boot prompt and it should work
[12:22] <caonex> I recently installed ubuntu and while I try to boot it, I get the following error: root (hd1,0) filesystem type unknown. Partition type 0xF. Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition. By the way, the root filesystem is a sata drive /dev/sda1 and grub told me it was hd1,0 so i do not think that can be wrong, what could it be?
[12:23] <toxicfume> nuOpus: oh okay
[12:23] <Loevborg> toxicfume, you can try and install, and see if it works after installation without noacpi.
[12:23] <caonex> In addition, the filesystem is reiserfs
[12:23] <toxicfume> nuOpus: and that would work fine? without having to turn my acpi off?
[12:23] <nuOpus> toxicfume: it is same problem on lots of laptops at the school
[12:24] <toxicfume> oh okay
[12:24] <nuOpus> toxicfume: turning off framebuffer during install usually works
[12:24] <toxicfume> nuOpus: will that put any limitation on how ubuntu works on my laptop in the future?
[12:24] <nuOpus> no
[12:25] <nuOpus> it works perfectly after that
[12:25] <Pupeno> How do you enable udp ports on firestarter ?
[12:25] <toxicfume> ah alright thanks :)
[12:25] <toxicfume> one more question
[12:25] <nuOpus> if you want do: linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false noapic
[12:26] <Pupeno> Or is there another firewall application ?
[12:26] <toxicfume> earlier, when i went ahead with the acpi=off param, when it came to network hardware detection, the ubuntu setup could detect my Intel Wireless PRO 2200B/G wireless NIC, but it couldn't find any wireless networks..eventhough there is one. How do I fix that?
[12:26] <Pupeno> hondje: I like it too, but it made my network not work.
[12:27] <goldfish> toxicfume: think u need to set it up with ndiswrapper
[12:27] <nuOpus> toxicfume: what kind of wireless?
[12:27] <nuOpus> if its dlink go with driverloader ... anything else go ndiswrapper
[12:27] <toxicfume> goldfish: what is that? and how do i do that?
[12:27] <toxicfume> nuOpus: you mean the accesspoint?
[12:27] <nuOpus> driverloader is better than ndiswrapper, but unless you have a dlink you must pay for it
[12:27] <nuOpus> no .. what wifi card
[12:28] <toxicfume> Intel Wireless Pro 2200 B/G
[12:28] <nuOpus> Oh.... ndiswrapper
[12:28] <nuOpus> you can just install the windows drivers
[12:28] <Loevborg> toxicfume, intel is supported without ndiswrapper.
[12:28] <nuOpus> oh
[12:28] <nuOpus> or if it is
[12:28] <toxicfume> Loevborg: yeah, but it doesn't detect any wireless networks during the setup :S
[12:29] <goldfish> mine wasn't
[12:29] <toxicfume> it does detect my card on eth0, but not any networks
[12:29] <Loevborg> toxicfume, you need to specify a ESSID/WAP key?
[12:29] <Loevborg> wep :)
[12:29] <robotgeek> toxicfume: can u do a iwlist
[12:29] <toxicfume> Loevborg: yes, it asks me that info, and even after filling it, it doesn't seem to work
[12:30] <toxicfume> robotgeek: how do i do that during the installation process?
[12:31] <Loevborg> toxicfume, switch to a different VT (alt-F2 or something)
[12:31] <robotgeek> toxicfume: open up a terminal windows and do "iwlist wlan0 scan"
[12:31] <toxicfume> Loevborg, robotgeek: alright, it would work fine then?
[12:32] <robotgeek> toxicfume: it will show if your networks
[12:33] <toxicfume> alright, i'll try that shortly
[12:33] <toxicfume> now i'm about to partition my drive(in windows)
[12:33] <carthik> I got the printer working! w00000t!
[12:33] <robotgeek> carthik: awesome!
[12:33] <carthik> anyone with any questions about cups, network printing should be referred to me
[12:33] <carthik> :P
[12:34] <toxicfume> is 2.5gb okay? I'll be using ubuntu for general usage and will be isntalling network auditing/scanning tools
[12:34] <nickrud> carthik, what worked?
[12:34] <carthik> nickrud, well, hmmm
[12:34] <robotgeek> toxicfume: sounds good to me...
[12:34] <thingfish> How long has ubuntu had the 2.6.11-* kernel?  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.11 doesn't seem to be available yet.
[12:34] <toxicfume> robotgeek: alright :) And should it be a primary or a logical partition?
[12:35] <robotgeek> carthik: are u the same guy who blogs abt ubuntu? :)
[12:35] <robotgeek> toxicfume: i don't think it really matters
[12:35] <Loevborg> toxicfume, linux dont care bout that.
[12:35] <rafi> How do I get clamav to run?
[12:35] <toxicfume> robotgeek, Loevborg: oh okay, so I can select any?
[12:36] <robotgeek> toxicfume: sure...linux takes care of all that :)
[12:36] <manlina> I updated recently ( hoary fresh install ) from panel icon and my system is now slowish to start some things..gnome-terminal is one of the worst..I dont have my 3d nvidia drivers intsallled yet so is this causing some of this???
[12:36] <toxicfume> and how much big swap parition should i create?
[12:36] <toxicfume> double my mem?
[12:36] <thingfish> manlina: probably.
[12:36] <robotgeek> toxicfume: generally, ppl say 2 x mem
[12:36] <thingfish> toxicfume: depends on how much ram you have.
[12:36] <toxicfume> alright then :) 1gb it is
[12:37] <thingfish> toxicfume: if you have a ton, less need for swap space.
[12:37] <Loevborg> thingfish, that's supposed to be untrue.
[12:37] <robotgeek> toxicfume: i have abt 768mb ram, abt 550 mb is free...running xmms,3 terms and a browser window :)
[12:38] <Taliesin`> hehe
[12:38] <Loevborg> but if you're not running java servelets, you probably don't need to worry too much :/
[12:38] <thingfish> Loevborg: I perhaps should have said that the more ram one has, the less need for the system to use the swap file.
[12:38] <TriniTriggs> hey, how do I change the default apps to open certain file types?
[12:38] <thingfish> *partition
[12:38] <toxicfume> robotgeek: I got 512mb ram, I guess i'll just make swap 1gb
[12:38] <TriniTriggs> (specifically open images with gthumb)
[12:38] <robotgeek> toxicfume: sounds good
[12:39] <thingfish> toxicfume: that'd be about perfect.
[12:39] <japanlover> If I install a Windows program with Wine, where is that program installed?
[12:39] <Loevborg> TriniTriggs, right-click the file in nautilus, open with other application
[12:39] <Loevborg> japanlover, .wine/.....
[12:39] <nickrud> TriniTriggs, right click an image, properties, open with to make it permanent
[12:39] <japanlover> Loevborg, k thanks...
[12:40] <toxicfume> and what File System should the linux partition be? EXT3? or ReiserFS?
[12:40] <TriniTriggs> ah
[12:40] <Jormundgand> What does swap partition size actually affect?
[12:40] <robotgeek> toxicfume: ext3 shud be fine, unless u are experimenting!
[12:40] <anto9us> toxicfume: ext3 seems very popular these days :)
[12:40] <mjr> toxicfume, I'd recommend ext3 if you don't have a reason to do otherwise
[12:40] <TriniTriggs> toxicfume:ext3 is what I've been told; ReiserFS is unstable or something
[12:40] <carthik> nickrud, I installed the printer on a computer as I normally would - then I edited the <Location> </Location> to allow 132.*.*.* and 10.*.*.*. Then sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart. Then installed the printer on the clients, using ipp://132.23.43.53/printers/LaserJet-3200m as the URL and it just worked
[12:40] <carthik> nickrud, I had started from scratch after following another guide. this time, I used my instincts
[12:40] <carthik> the name has to be same at the client, and the sudo before /etc/init.d/cupsys is vital
[12:40] <robotgeek> anyone knows how to change cpu speed?
[12:40] <toxicfume> Ah :) Ext3 then!
[12:40] <count0nz> reiserfs tends to do odd things
[12:40] <Anubis> since when has reiserfs been unstable?
[12:41] <robotgeek> my laptop is running at 500mhz...i want to reduce it's speed...to 300 mhz!
[12:41] <robotgeek> Anubis: :)
[12:41] <count0nz> Anubis, Dono Asy my pc :)
[12:41] <Anubis> I have etx3 for /
[12:41] <nickrud> carthik, yeah, instincts are good, especially when thery're honed by blind alleys :)
[12:41] <count0nz>  /s/asy/ask :)
[12:41] <Anubis> reiserfs for /home
[12:41] <Anubis> ad xfs for media
[12:42] <Anubis> never a problem
[12:42] <count0nz> Anubis, that sounds good...
[12:42] <Anubis> and thats using 4 linux distros
[12:42] <TriniTriggs> Anubis: what's the reasoning behind the different file systems?
[12:42] <Jormundgand> Hmm. I might engage in a thought experiment to see how effectively and easily my school network could be transferred over to Ubuntu.
[12:42] <TriniTriggs> in a nutshell
[12:42] <count0nz> ReiserFS is good tho nice and fast
[12:43] <carthik> robotgeek, are you talking about http://blog.carthik.net ? I blog about a lot of stuff, not just ubuntu, really
[12:43] <nuOpus> okay that was wrong ... apparently ctrl-alt-backspace in a virtual macine in VMWARE does not carry to the virtual session ONLY
[12:43] <nuOpus> lol
[12:43] <Anubis> TriniTriggs, well ext3 is rock solid so its advised for root
[12:44] <nuOpus> ive actually had reiserfs die on me before
[12:44] <robotgeek> carthik: yup, the only post i saw was abt ubuntu..infact, posted a comment as utopicillusion :)
[12:44] <Anubis> TriniTriggs, resierfs is good for many small files, that would be found in your /home...and xfs is good for large multimedia files
[12:44] <robotgeek> carthik: wordpress goodness.
[12:45] <TriniTriggs> ah
[12:45] <Anubis> TriniTriggs, Gentoo documentation goes into detail
[12:45] <TriniTriggs> is ext3 pnelty competent, though?
[12:45] <thingfish> I'll never use reiserfs again.  It blew up on me once, that's more than enough.
[12:45] <TriniTriggs> *plenty
[12:45] <Anubis> very
[12:45] <Anubis> as are the rest
[12:45] <carthik> robotgeek, cool :) Thank you for the comment. Is there any other ubuntu blog out there?
[12:45] <nuOpus> I was compiling a bunch of software one day until I started getting an input/output error ... another console I could cd around and found that I lost my root mount
[12:46] <nuOpus> when I tried rebooting reiserfs was corrupt and an fsck could not fix it
[12:46] <nuOpus> never again reiserfs
[12:46] <thingfish> I hear you.
[12:46] <robotgeek> carthik: havent really searched...was just googling around, came to ur blog. do u do some development work for wordpress?
[12:47] <mjr> I guess while we're bashing reiser, it also blew up on me once, and reiserfsck only fscked it up some more :)
[12:47] <thingfish> hehe
[12:47] <carthik> robotgeek, yes, I do. I write docs too, for wordpress, and other odd jobs.
[12:47] <anto9us> hmmm... googled ubuntu this afternoon, just done it again and it's gone up 40,000 in about 8 hours
[12:47] <manlina> I dunno people maybe it depends on the 'version' of resier used ?..linspire 'claims' to have a indestructible resier4 shipping with linspire five-0
[12:48] <robotgeek> carthik: hey, i am from the same state as you are :)
[12:48] <carthik> robotgeek, thats the best part of being a grad student - you get to live ze good life
[12:48] <TriniTriggs> Suse seems to trust ReiserFS
[12:48] <thingfish> Linspire can have a solid gold CD and I still won't try it.
[12:48] <robotgeek> carthik: me a grad student too :)
[12:48] <TriniTriggs> have they done something different to it?
[12:48] <carthik> robotgeek, I am not from AP. I am from Kerala.
[12:48] <Anubis> http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue55/florido.html
[12:48] <manlina> TriniTriggs, apparantly
[12:48] <IIIEars__> bob2 - Really curious - "Ubuntu servers"  connects to bandit.probe-networks.de is that the way it should be?
[12:48] <Anubis> ext3 slow
[12:49] <Anubis> reisefs
[12:49] <Anubis> fast
[12:49] <Anubis> xfs faster!
[12:49] <carthik> robotgeek, cool, you should blog, too :)
[12:49] <Anubis> generally speaking
[12:49] <Anubis> dependant on use
[12:49] <Anubis> YMMV
[12:49] <robotgeek> carthik: okie...atleast studied in the same place as you!!
[12:49] <Timbo> reiserfs slowest if unreliable
[12:49] <manlina> Anubis, that has been my experience..although ive' never seen corrupt behaivor like others...so far anyway ;-)
[12:49] <robotgeek> carthik: i already do...http://robotgeek.freefronthost.com/blog
[12:49] <crimsun> hehe, grad students living the good life? what universe have I been in?
[12:50] <IIIEars__> newb question. - how do i cd to my desktop from / without typing the comeplete path?
[12:50] <carthik> robotgeek, you from RECW! cool, which batch?
[12:50] <thingfish> now I haven't heard of the stability problems with xfs like I have with reiserfs.
[12:50] <robotgeek> crimsun: i am trying to get finished off with my thesis, no good life
[12:50] <Anubis> this is the most friendly and civil linux user group I have EVER seen!
[12:50] <_hp_> IIIEars: cd ~/desktop i believe
[12:50] <mjr> IIIEars__, cd ~/Desktop
[12:50] <thingfish> robotgeek: you doing a masters?
[12:50] <robotgeek> carthik: sorry, from the same state u studied in!!
[12:50] <carthik> crimsun, it beats wearing a collar and working 8 to 5 :) I get to work Sundays, and of my own free will
[12:50] <TriniTriggs> we're the hippies of Linux
[12:50] <robotgeek> thingfish: yeah
[12:50] <IIIEars__> _hp_ - Thank You
[12:50] <thingfish> robotgeek: cool, what in?
[12:51] <Anubis> there appears to be no egos
[12:51] <robotgeek> thingfish: mechanical engg
[12:51] <Anubis> kudos to tritum and crimsun
[12:51] <_hp_> robotgeek: are you a current mech eng. student?
[12:51] <thingfish> robotgeek: yikes, tough.
[12:51] <TriniTriggs> nobody has used "n00b" yet
[12:51] <Anubis> lol
[12:51] <holly> I'm trying to setup a 5-button mouse to work with X/firefox, and not having much luck.  I've tried all the combinations of ZAxisMapping and xmodmap, but the best I can get is for the scroll wheel to do back/forward.  Any ideas?
[12:51] <robotgeek> _hp_: yeah, me a mechanical engineering student!
[12:51] <anto9us> TriniTriggs: and you had to go and spoil it! ;)
[12:51] <IIIEars__> <<< heh - though some are
[12:51] <thingfish> yes, hopefully this is a "n00b" and "w00t" free zone.
[12:51] <robotgeek> thingfish: true :)
[12:51] <TriniTriggs> and "pwn"
[12:51] <_hp_> robotgeek: that's what i'm going in for next year... double major, math and mech e.
[12:52] <carthik> robotgeek, is your blog at a "free" hosting place?
[12:52] <thingfish> hehe yes that one too, TriniTriggs
[12:52] <robotgeek> carthik: yeah :(
[12:52] <crimsun> carthik: yeah, there's certainly freedom in a non 8-5, though my thesis was much more hectic. Well, until we get down to release at the job, which is just insane.
[12:52] <Torture> hello
[12:52] <robotgeek> carthik: first there were no ads, then they put the ads in there...my site doesn't validate!!
[12:52] <Loevborg> holly, what doesn't work?
[12:52] <goldfish> hey Torture
[12:52] <carthik> crimsun, life in summer is great ;)
[12:53] <anto9us> hi Torture
[12:53] <Torture> wzap
[12:53] <mattlins> Anyone know how I can install the xorg depricated libraries?
[12:53] <Loevborg> holly, maybe you just need to set the right mouse driver (what brand do you have?)
[12:53] <carthik> robotgeek, if you need a new host, let me know. I have this under-used server.
[12:53] <_hp_> carthik: are you offering free hosting here?
[12:53] <robotgeek> carthik,crimsun : me looking to graduate this summer, so a bit hectic
[12:53] <goldfish> holly: followed the howto on the ubntuforums ?
[12:53] <crimsun> robotgeek: understandably.
[12:54] <carthik> _hp_ not for every one. Not exactly free. Free if I think someone deserves it.
[12:54] <crimsun> robotgeek: when's your final defense?
[12:54] <_hp_> carthik: oh... i was looking to save some money on my car insur... errr hosting
[12:54] <holly> goldfish, yes, as far as I can tell.
[12:54] <carthik> _hp_, I host a few friends, and they pitch in, according to their abilities.
[12:54] <holly> Loevborg, it's a generic USB mouse.
[12:54] <robotgeek> crimsun: i havent scheduled it yet, but sometime during july
[12:54] <crimsun> robotgeek: excellent. Best of luck with that.
[12:54] <carthik> _hp_, I am not professional host. If you want, I can host you for cheaper, but there wont be no 24/7 support :P
[12:55] <robotgeek> crimsun: thanks! then look for a 9 to 5!
[12:55] <carthik> pardon my typos
[12:55] <Torture> anyone know which desktop enviroment uses least resources ..KDE or GNOME ?
[12:55] <_hp_> carthik: i need that, plus i don't really want to move my site and i kind of need a little bit less than a dedicated server
[12:55] <_hp_> Torture: ratpoison
[12:55] <robotgeek> carthik: tech support is available bt doing a apt-get install tech-support :))
[12:55] <Loevborg> holly, what does "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Protocol" give you?
[12:55] <carthik> Torture, I should think XFCE beats both. But among the two - maybe KDE
[12:55] <nuOpus> Torture: ratpoison does take less resources than most others
[12:56] <nuOpus> Torture: But unless you are used to 'screen' ... then it will be a turture for you! lo
[12:56] <holly> Loevborg, ImPS/2
[12:56] <_hp_> except ratpoison ain't pretty...
[12:56] <carthik> _hp_, try servint.com's vps solutions - which is what i use
[12:56] <Torture> n0pus : huhu ;)
[12:56] <nuOpus> If you are used to screen ratpoison is a very good WM
[12:56] <carthik> robotgeek, :)
[12:56] <nuOpus> very minimalistic
[12:56] <robotgeek> nuOpus,Torture,_hp_ : i am not an emacs person, so ratpoison is not very intuitive!
[12:57] <Loevborg> holly, you can try selecting another driver as per "man 4x mouse"
[12:57] <Torture> XFCE was not bad ...but I still wanna hang on to either KDE or GNOME. Im using it for an old iMAC.
[12:57] <_hp_> carthik: it would cost me more for less.. right now i host my site and a few others and have root access and all with lots of bandwith etc...
[12:57] <nuOpus> but if it were KDE or GNOME .... I think GNOME is faster
[12:57] <nuOpus> dont use KDE then
[12:57] <nuOpus> I have used it on an old imac
[12:57] <nuOpus> stick with gnome
[12:57] <Torture> nu0pus: k .... tnx
[12:57] <abood> guys i edited the esd.conf file to enable many application provide sound in the same time, but it didnt worked, i dont know why, does any one can help ?!
[12:58] <nuOpus> installed ubuntu-ppc on an ugly blue imac at the school
[12:58] <nuOpus> lol
[12:58] <Torture> nu0pus: did u have problem with the ethernet module not being loaded  ?
[12:58] <nuOpus> no
[12:58] <holly> Loevborg, thanks, I'll see if that fixes it.
[12:58] <carthik> _hp_, where are you at?
[12:58] <nuOpus> it found everything
[12:58] <Jormundgand> Can I turn off panel hiding animation?
[12:58] <Torture> nu0pus: ubuntu or kubuntu  ?
[12:58] <nuOpus> ubuntu
[12:58] <_hp_> carthik: theplanet.com
[12:58] <nuOpus> although kubuntu is nice ... im not a big fan of KDE
[12:58] <Torture> k,  must be kubuntu thats f*ckin with me
[12:58] <robotgeek> carthik: can i drop you a line later, i am definetly planning to move
[12:59] <_hp_> gnome works pretty good for me... for now
[12:59] <_hp_> i might move to xfce when i get the time
[12:59] <Torture> nu0pus: had to load the 'bmac' module
[12:59] <abood> guys i edited the esd.conf file to enable many application provide sound in the same time, but it didnt worked, i dont know why, does any one can help ?!
[12:59] <nuOpus> it was actually warty we put it on ..
[12:59] <Loevborg> holly, especially ExplorerPS/2 ... maybe "lsusb" gives you a hint.
[12:59] <anto9us> different people use their wm's in different ways and with various takes on different applications in each it's all swings and roundabouts if you ask me. Try each and see how you go
[12:59] <nuOpus> speaking of CD's .... anyone here from the US get their Hoary CD's yet?
[12:59] <crimsun> abood: what did you do?
[01:00] <carthik> robotgeek, sure - you know my blog
[01:00] <carthik> _hp_, I dont see how theplanet is cheaper :)
[01:00] <_hp_> carthik: i got mine a while ago
[01:00] <carthik> _hp_, okay, cool
[01:01] <robotgeek> carthik: bookmarked it, so u'll hear from me about it in abt a month later..okay?
[01:01] <carthik> robotgeek, cool
[01:01] <Djow> Im a first time Linux user, and just installed Ubuntu. I got two monitors though, and im wondering how to set that up. I had a friend down here that has used linux for a while and me messed arond with google and started modifing some text in a file. (didnt help much).  Is there a "easy" way of doing it, or is it to advanced for a total novice user?
[01:01] <nuOpus> action is fluxbox and ratpoison user
[01:01] <nuOpus> oops
[01:01] <nuOpus> haha
[01:01] <spinifex> on a dual boot system, on a modern laptop, should I turn on the bootable flag on ubuntu's root partition?
[01:01] <nuOpus> does not matter
[01:01] <Loevborg> Djow, might be difficult, might depend on your graphics card.
[01:01] <abood> crimsun, i replace the spawn_options with default_options and from -5 to -2
[01:02] <_hp_> Djow: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaMultipleMonitors
[01:02] <spinifex> nuOpus: that to me?
[01:02] <nuOpus> ya
[01:02] <spinifex> okay.  What will it do anyway?  I'm curious
[01:02] <nuOpus> spinifex: if you install grub on master boot loader ... grub will load the SPECIFIC path anyway ... does not matter bootable flag or not
[01:03] <spinifex> thank you
[01:03] <nuOpus> spinifex: in DOS it was very useful ... in LInux im not sure! lol ive always instlaled lilo or grub in mba
[01:03] <KrisWood> hello
[01:03] <KrisWood> does anyone here know anything about running iptables on ubuntu?
[01:04] <Torture> nu0pus: have u made any optimizations of any sort to speed up your imac linux performance ?
[01:04] <KrisWood> a firewall script I wrote on FC1 doesn't seem to forward ports at all when run on ubuntu :-/
[01:04] <robotgeek> nuOpus: you run ubuntu on a mac right?
[01:04] <nuOpus> Torture: no
[01:04] <nuOpus> robotgeek: heck no
[01:05] <spinifex> heh, has anyone used the "detect my keyboard layout by hitting some keys" feature?  I found that exceptionally magical and fun.  I just typed "n" and it immediately knew I was dvorak
[01:05] <torture> nu0pus: how much ram u got in ?
[01:05] <nuOpus> Only reason I installed it on mac is because my laptop was down, had 5 hours to kill and only pc avail to me at school was an ugly blue imac
[01:05] <nuOpus> and I was hungry to browse the web
[01:05] <KrisWood> I'll take that as no one knows or I don't have +v in this channel...
[01:05] <nuOpus> only reason I installed it was because I had a PPC version that was sent to me from shipit on hand and said ... why not
[01:06] <crimsun> abood: did you log out and back in?
[01:06] <nuOpus> 128mb
[01:06] <anto9us> KrisWood: I'd go for the latter ;)
[01:06] <robotgeek> nuOpus: a live cd would have sufficed?? i was asking because i need to get the gtkpbbuttons working on ppc
[01:06] <torture> nu0pus: I know the feeling. I got the iMac (350) off a work m8 and just wanted it a bit up2date....OS9.1 was fun for 5 minutes.
[01:06] <KrisWood> how do I get +v here?
[01:06] <crimsun> KrisWood: we don't do that.
[01:07] <KrisWood> ah. then how do I get my questions answered lol
[01:07] <spinifex> what does +v do?
[01:07] <goldfish> voice
[01:07] <robotgeek> I am not able to get volume control from the function keys on my laptop working.the bright/dim works though
[01:07] <KrisWood> lol nm then
[01:07] <abood> crimsun, sure, and i did "killall esd" and started an application, also i rebooted my machine, but didnt works
[01:07] <KrisWood> I'll just ask my question again
[01:07] <crimsun> be patient. If someone knows, (s)he'll answer. If not, check the mailing list.
[01:07] <anto9us> KrisWood: sorry, I was teasing :)
[01:07] <crimsun> abood: what are you trying to do?
[01:07] <KrisWood> a firewall script I wrote on FC1 doesn't seem to forward ports at all when run on ubuntu :-/ anyone have any ideas?
[01:08] <toxicfume> nuOpus: hey, I tried the debian-installer/framebuffer=false parameter but it still didn't work, gave the same problem. Nothung would happen after it says Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel.
[01:08] <KrisWood> is syntax for iptables different on ubuntu?
[01:08] <_hp_> how do i tell synaptic that i don't want to look for my cd when installing stuff?
[01:08] <crimsun> toxicfume: I thought acpi=off worked for you
[01:08] <crimsun> _hp_: just remove the cdrom line
[01:08] <thingfish> _hp_: comment out the cdrom line from your sources.list.
[01:08] <crimsun> KrisWood: no, it's the same. What happens instead?
[01:08] <toxicfume> crimsun: yeah it did, but if i do with..will all acpi features on ubuntu be disabled later?
[01:09] <crimsun> toxicfume: yes
[01:09] <LinuxJones> KrisWood, double check the path that is in your script, I think FC uses a different location for iptables
[01:09] <KrisWood> I get no error when I run the script but no ports get forwarded to the other computers on the network
[01:09] <_hp_> thingfish, crimsun thanks... seems obvious now
[01:09] <KrisWood> yeah I did check the path already
[01:09] <abood> crimsun, im trying to make esd devel to play sound on many application in the same time, like ex: xmms and xine
[01:09] <mirak> hi
[01:09] <toxicfume> crimsun: i don't want that, dont want acpi features disabled
[01:09] <mirak> I am playing a dvd but it's stutring
[01:09] <KrisWood> it's in the same place, oddly enough, /sbin/iptables
[01:09] <mattlins> How do I set my locale to X11 as opposed to CX?
[01:09] <_hp_> when i install xfce through synaptic it should show up in my list at login right?
[01:09] <crimsun> toxicfume: if your hardware is broken, you won't have a choice
[01:09] <mirak> cpu is not even fully used
[01:10] <thingfish> _hp_: it *should*.
[01:10] <crimsun> KrisWood: have you single-stepped through the script?
[01:10] <toxicfume> crimsun: it's not broken
[01:10] <thingfish> _hp_: in practice, it may not.
[01:10] <KrisWood> how do I do a single step?
[01:10] <crimsun> KrisWood: execute one command at a time
[01:10] <robotgeek> crimsun: :)
[01:10] <KrisWood> ah but first I'd have to know what that is lol
[01:10] <crimsun> toxicfume: you're positive of that?
[01:10] <KrisWood> ooooh
[01:10] <KrisWood> nm
[01:10] <KrisWood> oops
[01:11] <toxicfume> crimsun: well, nothing seems wrong with it, been working great with windows
[01:11] <KrisWood> so you mean don't run it as an sh script
[01:11] <spinifex> whoa, wtf, should i be worried about this?  I'm installing the new release of Hoary Hedgehog, and it appears to have just had a fatal error because I don't have a floppy drive.  "Base system installation error: The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)"
[01:11] <_hp_> yeah, it did show up
[01:11] <zoor> Hmm I dont really get the system with sudo. I've just installed the ubuntu OS on my laptop but I cant figure out how to gain access to the updates. When I doubleclick the icon showing that I have updates available it just says that I've pushed in the wrong password. What can I do?
[01:11] <spinifex> the log says "FATAL: Error inserting floppy (blah blah) no such device"
[01:11] <crimsun> toxicfume: there's stuff broken in Windows, too, but we'll never know...
[01:11] <Fator_Dee> spinifex: I don't have a floppy, no problems with that O.o
[01:11] <thingfish> zoor: do sudo passwd and then do stuff like that as root.
[01:12] <crimsun> toxicfume: my suggestion is to check the various hardware databases and see if others report identical symptoms on that hardware
[01:12] <spinifex> it's a textmode dialog.  I can "continue" or "go back"
[01:12] <robotgeek> alrite...me going out now...cya later
[01:13] <_hp_> xfce is a lot faster than gnome
[01:13] <zoor> thingfish, I did try that and It says "sorry, try again" ??
[01:13] <KrisWood> the odd thing is that masquerade is working fine
[01:13] <KrisWood> it's just forwarding that's not
[01:13] <zoor> thingfish, ahhh... I got it *embarrassed*
[01:13] <zoor> :D
[01:13] <zoor> Thanks for the help :)
[01:14] <thingfish> no problemo
[01:15] <spinifex> oh, perhaps the real problem is a read error on the CD.  cripes, guess I've gotta burn it again
[01:15] <Anubis> _hp_, naturally ;)
[01:15] <anto9us> KrisWood: have you looked at firestarter? It's quite good from what I hear, may help shed some light on your problem
[01:15] <KrisWood> I've never heard of it, do you have a url handy? otherwise I'll google it
[01:16] <aquarius> Would it be a good idea to allow people to sign up to shipit.ubuntu.com just to say "please send me one CD whenever there's a new release", i.e., to help keep them up-to-date (rather than to get CDs to distribute to their friends)?
[01:16] <spinifex> oh shit...
[01:16] <anto9us> KrisWood: it's in the ubuntu repositories
[01:16] <crimsun> abood: that should be supported anyhow
[01:16] <KrisWood> ok I'm new to ubuntu it'll take me a while to find that, but I'll give it a try
[01:16] <crimsun> abood: I presume you're using the esound plugin for xmms and for xine?
[01:16] <thingfish> aquarius: that would be kind of handy.
[01:16] <spinifex> oh shit.  I aborted the installation so I could rewrite the CD from windows, but now grub wont load.  Error 15.
[01:16] <KrisWood> here's my port forward lines btw
[01:16] <KrisWood> /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 10000:60000 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.15.2
[01:17] <KrisWood> /sbin/iptables -I FORWARD -s 192.168.15.2 -p tcp --dport 10000:60000 -j ACCEPT
[01:17] <thingfish> spinifex: start over.
[01:17] <KrisWood> it worked fine in fedora
[01:17] <spinifex> uh...
[01:17] <aquarius> thingfish: that's what I thought; useful for people stuck on dialup (since broadband people can just upgrade with Update Mgr), especially since Ubuntu says "this is an ubuntu CD, do you want to upgrade?" when you put one in. That's nice.
[01:17] <spinifex> but my cd is unreadable
[01:18] <thingfish> aquarius: my sympathies, I'm stuck on dialup myself.
[01:18] <crimsun> KrisWood: I presume the IPs are identical?
[01:18] <KrisWood> yup
[01:18] <anto9us> KrisWood: you're subnetting?
[01:18] <spinifex> and now I've screwed up my bootloader and can't get back to windows...   I suppose I could download the entire image again and burn it from this machine though..  another half hour
[01:18] <KrisWood> nothing has changed except the OS
[01:18] <KrisWood> netmask is 255.255.0.0
[01:18] <aquarius> thingfish: who's best to tell about this idea?
[01:19] <crimsun> KrisWood: and 1 is the content of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward?
[01:19] <_hp_> i can't play mp3's in xfce
[01:19] <KrisWood> yup
[01:19] <thingfish> aquarius: I would imagine the best way to get your idea "out there" is to start being involved with the developers' mailing list.
[01:19] <crimsun> KrisWood: are you logging any dropped/rejected packets?
[01:20] <dbasetrinity> hello
[01:20] <thingfish> aquarius: no problem.
[01:20] <crimsun> _hp_: with what player?
[01:20] <KrisWood> /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
[01:20] <KrisWood> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[01:20] <marsjays> anyone else experiencing problems with OO.org in breezy? (yes, i know i shouldn't be using that)
[01:20] <KrisWood> hmmmm good point, where does iptables stick its log?
[01:20] <toxicfume> is there anyway i can install ubuntu on my laptop without the acpi=off feature? I don't want to miss acpi features, expecially centrino's speedstep, from my laptop
[01:20] <dbasetrinity> does anyone know why when i try to watch a dvd the video and the voice dont match
[01:20] <_hp_> crimsun: any
[01:20] <brad_> hola
[01:20] <dbasetrinity> ive tryed mplayer and a few others
[01:20] <crimsun> KrisWood: you have to specifically redirect to a log if you want a separate file, else you'll need to check /var/log/syslog
[01:21] <crimsun> _hp_: are they set to use alsa or oss (not esound)?
[01:21] <KrisWood> ok
[01:22] <KrisWood> alright, tailing the log now gonna try to generate some blocked packets
[01:22] <rute> what package gives me (cc) I thought it was part of gcc but I guess not
[01:22] <KrisWood> nothing showing up in the syslog
[01:22] <robertj> rute: build-essentials perhaps?
[01:22] <rute> when I try to do make I get (cc command not found) or something like that
[01:22] <LinuxJones> rute build-essential
[01:23] <anto9us> dbasetrinity: I heard someone say in here the other day that the mplayer binary isn't very good, you might want build it yourself, or try configuring it to drop frames in the video options
[01:23] <rute> robertj, thank you. i should have that by default rite?
[01:23] <robertj> rute: no
[01:23] <rute> LinuxJones, thanks :)
[01:23] <Chambers`> anyone know where i could get the mp3splt gui .deb?
[01:23] <rute> robertj, ok thanks again. apt-get install build-essential ?
[01:23] <robertj> rute: most users never are going to compile diddly-squat
[01:23] <dbasetrinity> thanks anto but im lucky i got it to install i dont really know how to build one
[01:23] <robertj> so instead, they take that space and use it for another foreign language
[01:23] <dbasetrinity> is there something i can read to learn how
[01:24] <TriniTriggs> hey, can xchat go transparent?
[01:24] <rute> robertj, thats a good point i guess :) im fresh off of gentoo so Im not use to apt-get. got alot of reading to do :)
[01:24] <robertj> rute: you can use synaptic as wel
[01:24] <spinifex> rute: synaptic has a good search feature in it
[01:24] <spinifex> you can select a lot of packages to be apt-got at once with it
[01:24] <rute> robertj, I'm sceard of X package managers hehe. i'll check it out though
[01:25] <rute> spinifex, thanks. i'll give it a shot
[01:25] <spinifex> it works pretty well
[01:25] <KrisWood> after a week with ubuntu, coming from redhat/fedora, I'm really liking this apt-get thing heh
[01:25] <KrisWood> very handy
[01:25] <KrisWood> much easier than rpm
[01:25] <thingfish> KrisWood: apt-get is killer.
[01:25] <spinifex> definately.  Best package manager ever
[01:25] <rute> KrisWood, it's nice from what I have used. hard to get use to sudo though :)
[01:25] <svmaris> KrisWood, you could have used apt4rpm on Redhat/Fedora :)
[01:25] <spinifex> but I haven't tried CVS so I can't say that for certain
[01:26] <thingfish> debian anything beats redhat anything.
[01:26] <toxicfume> is there any way i can install ubuntu on my laptop without the acpi=off parameter? I don't want to miss acpi features, expecially centrino's speedstep, from my laptop
[01:26] <rute> thanks again guys. gotta finish this thing up :)
[01:26] <KrisWood> rute there's a root terminal available too
[01:26] <rute> c yahs
[01:26] <rute> KrisWood,  realy?
[01:26] <KrisWood> yup
[01:26] <anto9us> dbasetrinity: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/install.html
[01:26] <KrisWood> applications > system tools
[01:26] <rute> KrisWood, yep there it is :) thats cool
[01:27] <_hp_> damn, kde is 200 MB
[01:27] <KrisWood> svmaris: I usually just use autorpm
[01:27] <KrisWood> still a pain though
[01:27] <brad_> peace muh fuckas
[01:27] <rute> sudo is a cool scheme though. once I get use to it I'll be ok
[01:27] <dbasetrinity> anto9us: thanks for you help
[01:27] <thingfish> I don't like sudo.
[01:27] <rute> thanks again . I'm sure I'll see you all later :)
[01:27] <svmaris> KrisWood, hm .. don't know that one ... we're migrating our servers from Redhat to FreeBSD
[01:27] <thingfish> I'm not used to it, I prefer using root.
[01:27] <KrisWood> I like sudo, once I got used to them
[01:28] <wolverian> one can just sudo -s to root, as well.
[01:28] <KrisWood> it rather
[01:28] <thingfish> I just sudo passwd and now I can use root.
[01:28] <toxicfume> Can ACPI be turned on later in ubuntu after i install ubuntu with acpi=off?
[01:28] <wolverian> thingfish: sudo -s! :)
[01:28] <crimsun> toxicfume: sure, but it probably won't boot
[01:28] <svmaris> toxicfume, afaik, yes
[01:28] <KrisWood> svmaris it's a perl script that connects to the redhat ftp and checks for new packages
[01:28] <Pupeno> Is there any of those games in which you participate in a story-line-less community, interacting with other playes, buying things, selling ,fighting, etc ?
[01:28] <KrisWood> dunno, it's something one of my old employers used and I snagged it
[01:28] <KrisWood> heh
[01:28] <toxicfume> why is it not properly supported? :S
[01:29] <KrisWood> might be something they wrote themselves
[01:29] <svmaris> toxicfume, just add acpi=off to your grub config before rebooting for the first time
[01:29] <nuOpus> so what do you guys think of kbuntu?
[01:29] <Pupeno> nuOpus: I like, it's what I'm using.
[01:29] <toxicfume> svmaris: but i don't want to miss the acpi features on my laptop
[01:29] <thingfish> being as I don't like KDE, I can't comment on kubuntu.
[01:30] <mirak> is there a way to use the hardware mpeg2 decompression of ATI cards ?
[01:30] <svmaris> toxicfume, as long as your ACPI-features are not supported I'm afraid you'll have to wait (or fix it yourself)
[01:30] <nuOpus> well I dont like KDE either ... im talking about the distro itself
[01:30] <nuOpus> so maybe I could recommend it to kde people
[01:30] <thingfish> isn't it the same as ubuntu, only with kde?
[01:30] <toxicfume> sigh, this is kinda disappointing
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:31] <svmaris> toxicfume, blame the laptop-manufaturer for selling you a broken ACPI-configuration :(
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> kubuntu is essentially the same thing
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> with KDE
[01:31] <toxicfume> svmaris: nah, it works fine it windows
[01:31] <thingfish> that's what I thought.
[01:31] <svmaris> toxicfume, I can work in Windows and still be broken
[01:32] <svmaris> 'it can'
[01:32] <nickrud> toxicfume, maybe you can get some more info at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[01:32] <toxicfume> svmaris: i'm an end user, and all that matters is it works :)
[01:32] <nuOpus> svmaris: what was issue? I missed it
[01:33] <mez> hey, does anyone here have any experience setting up radio tuners on ubuntu?
[01:33] <svmaris> toxicfume, I know .. but there's nothing much you can do if the companies who made the stuff don't want to tell the developers how it works
[01:33] <toxicfume> nickrud: thanks :)
[01:33] <KrisWood> ok I got firestarter running, now to figure out how to forward specific ports to specific computers on the network
[01:33] <mez> my TV/radio card works out of the box for TV... but cant get it working for radio
[01:33] <calc> toxicfume: its the same issue as IE rendering bad web pages
[01:33] <svmaris> nuOpus, ACPI doesn't work on toxicfume's laptop
[01:34] <toxicfume> yeah i guess
[01:34] <svmaris> toxicfume, ... and the manufacturer probably released Windows drivers to work around the ACPI-bugs
[01:34] <ferchO> hi
[01:34] <ferchO> anyone here have an OvisLink wl-1120 PCM wifi card
[01:35] <svmaris> toxicfume, it has always been a struggle to get new hardware supported in Linux... but we've come a long way
[01:35] <Chambers`> where does wine and winetools go into the menu?  I can't find them anywhere?
[01:36] <nickrud> Chambers`, it doesn't have a desktop entry for the gnome menu.  You can install menu, which will show it in a Debian submenu
[01:36] <ferchO> i went to the drivers download section of  my Ovislink card and they only have drivers for RedHat, why is that
[01:36] <toxicfume> alright then i guess i''ll use ubuntu for a while, until i find a distro that supports acpi
[01:36] <toxicfume> another q
[01:36] <Boohbah> all distros support acpi
[01:36] <svmaris> ferchO, because they don't want to release the source and RedHat is a commercially supported distro
[01:37] <Chambers`> where do I put the shortcut so it shows up?  meaning what directory is the share for the menu at?
[01:37] <KrisWood> ok now that I've got firestarter running, is anyone familiar with running firestarter on an ubuntu box and forwarding bit torrent connections to specific ip addresses within the network?
[01:37] <toxicfume> during the ubuntu setup, the setup can detect my laptop's wireless NIC on eth0, but it can't find any wireless networks, eventhough there is one present. How do I fix that?
[01:37] <rute> where do I put commands to be run at different runlevels with ubuntu?
[01:37] <Chambers`> toxicfume, what type of laptop?
[01:38] <Chambers`> i had that same issue with my compaq x1000
[01:38] <svmaris> toxicfume, as far as I know, configuring the wireless NIC's are done after the install
[01:38] <Chambers`> i just used the wired nic for the install
[01:38] <toxicfume> Chambers`: Acer Aspire 1692, it has the Intel Wireless PRO 2200 B/G wireless NIC (who'se drivers come with ubuntu)
[01:38] <Chambers`> svmaris, naw, the setup lets you pick ESSID's and such
[01:38] <thingfish> how retarded, still no linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.11.
[01:38] <svmaris> Chambers`, it does? .. missed that one ... even WEP?
[01:38] <toxicfume> yes
[01:39] <rute> ubuntu even configured my tx100 wifi card!! thats awsome since it's a pain to manualy configure
[01:39] <Chambers`> svmaris, yep, even wep :P
[01:39] <toxicfume> but even after entering that info, it wouldn't work
[01:39] <svmaris> Chambers`, cool :)
[01:39] <dampjam> Hey, I'm trying to help a friend set up ubuntu.  Network was working fine until we got video working, and now his wireless pci card is not showing up.  Any reason why NVIDIA drivers would conflict?
[01:39] <ferchO> what is linux-wlan
[01:39] <gigamonkey> Hmmm. I'm trying to install from the 5.04 Install CD on some pretty old hardware and getting stuck at the "Loading additional components" stage.
[01:39] <Chambers`> toxicfume, yeah I couldn't figure it out.  It'd be nice to be able to have a console to put the full path of iwconfig
[01:40] <gigamonkey> It gets to 34% where it is "Unpacking nic-firmware-2.6.10-5-386-di.
[01:40] <Chambers`> my guess is that it's using shared/open instead of the one your AP uses
[01:40] <svmaris> Chambers`, there's a console on alt-f2 during the install, iirc
[01:40] <toxicfume> someone told me to do a iwlist in another terminal...but i get an error saying iwlist: not found :S
[01:40] <Chambers`> svmaris, really? whoa..didn't know that, that could be a way around it then :)
[01:41] <gigamonkey> Then the screen blanks and it comes back to "Loading additional components at 0% again and starts over with nic-firmware-2.6.10-5-386-di and blanks again during the "Unpacking".
[01:41] <Chambers`> brb..gotta get some food
[01:41] <gigamonkey> Any ideas?
[01:41] <svmaris> Chambers`, alt-f2 = console, alt-f3 is install messages
[01:41] <ali4728> Help Apache2 document root points to "/www/apache2-default/" how can I change it?
[01:41] <ali4728> I can not determine which line specifies the doc root..in apache2.conf file
[01:41] <robotgeek> hi...my powerbook crashes on wake up, only sometimes...tips?
[01:42] <Chambers`> toxicfume, try getting to the console and putting in iwconfig ethx essid "youressid" enc open [1]  "yourkey"  I think that's the syntax
[01:42] <Laforge> ok to install apache, php, mysql, and phpmyadmin i need to do apt-get "apache", "php", mysql", "phpmyadmin"
[01:42] <Chambers`> i gotta go get some food
[01:42] <Chambers`> good luck
[01:42] <Chambers`> I'm loving Ubuntu
[01:42] <Daehlie> j
[01:42] <toxicfume> is ESSID same as SSID?
[01:43] <Anubis> Ubuntu is nice
[01:43] <svmaris> toxicfume, yep
[01:43] <Dave2|irssi> I have a script to constantly set wifi options, as the card is very dodgy and can suddenly decide to lose them at any minut
[01:43] <toxicfume> thanks Chambers`
[01:43] <Anubis> it just works
[01:43] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay thanks
[01:43] <Dave2|irssi> There's a problem with this, in that I get connected/discoected messages to every console regularly
[01:43] <gigamonkey> Anubis: except when it doesn't. :-(
[01:43] <Dave2|irssi> is there any better way of doing tthis, or a way to suppress the messages?
[01:43] <Anubis> gigamonkey, what happened to yours?
[01:44] <KrisWood> LaForge, there's an apt-get for phpmyadmin?
[01:44] <gigamonkey> Anubis: look back a few messages.
[01:44] <KrisWood> I never knew...
[01:44] <gigamonkey> I can't get past "Loading additional components"
[01:45] <Laforge> kriswood, i dunno that is why i am asking for help
[01:45] <svmaris> gigamonkey, it seems like either your CD or your CD-ROM drive is faulty
[01:45] <KrisWood> heh ok
[01:45] <Laforge> Ok i found apache is apache2
[01:45] <Laforge> but i still need php and mysql
[01:45] <KrisWood> I'm new to ubuntu too
[01:45] <Anubis> gigamonkey, your ununtu is not broken, its not even installed
[01:45] <KrisWood> try in the ubuntu guide
[01:45] <gigamonkey> Anubis: great.
[01:45] <KrisWood> http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:45] <Anubis> gigamonkey, what are your hardware spec?
[01:45] <svmaris> gigamonkey, what do you see on alt-f3?
[01:46] <toxicfume> how do i type "iwlist wlan0 scan" during setup? i go to the alt-f2 terminal window and type it..and i get an error that says "iwlist: not found"
[01:46] <[Spooky] > man how do i connect to Internet with PPPOE in Ubuntu ?
[01:46] <gigamonkey> Anubis: P166, 32Megs Very old hardware.
[01:46] <svmaris> toxicfume: does 'iwconfig' work? (without arguments)
[01:46] <gigamonkey> svmaris: I didn't see anything obvious last time. I'm currently trying again to see what I get just as the problem arises.
[01:46] <nickrud> Laforge, try apt-cache search php | grep php
[01:46] <robotgeek> toxicfume: do you have wireless-tooks installed
[01:46] <toxicfume> svmaris: yes iwconfig works
[01:46] <Anubis> gigamonkey, goddamn man my calulator is faster;)
[01:47] <robotgeek> toxicfume: does your card support iwlist function?
[01:47] <toxicfume> robotgeek: i'm doing this during setup
[01:47] <toxicfume> robotgeek: i don't know :S
[01:47] <svmaris> toxicfume, do you use WEP?
[01:47] <gigamonkey> Well, it's not my main box--I'm just trying to put it back in comission for a moment.
[01:47] <Anubis> gigamonkey, here is an idea switch NICs
[01:47] <toxicfume> svmaris: no
[01:47] <robotgeek> toxicfume: setup of wireless card?
[01:47] <svmaris> toxicfume, do you use DHCP?
[01:48] <Anubis> gigamonkey, just turn that box into a router
[01:48] <toxicfume> robotgeek: yeah i am at that stage
[01:48] <Anubis> gigamonkey, its not desktop material
[01:48] <Anubis> 32mbs
[01:48] <toxicfume> svmaris: yes, i do
[01:48] <Anubis> not enough for anything
[01:48] <[Spooky] > how do i connect to Internet with PPPOE in Ubuntu ?
[01:48] <svmaris> toxicfume, and the card is eth1?
[01:48] <gigamonkey> Anubis: Ubuntu claims to only need 28M.
[01:48] <robotgeek> toxicfume: are u using ndiswrapper?
[01:49] <toxicfume> svmaris: no i think it's eth0
[01:49] <Anubis> thats server mode for sure
[01:49] <Anubis> non gui
[01:49] <gigamonkey> svmaris: Alt-F3 has a bunch of insmod line. The last of which is fs/isofs/isofs.ko
[01:49] <toxicfume> robotgeek: i dont think so,...i'm doing this during setup
[01:49] <Anubis> gigamonkey, pull that NIC
[01:49] <Anubis> I'd start there
[01:49] <robotgeek> toxicfume: i joined a bit late, which card are u using?
[01:49] <svmaris> toxicfume, try typing 'iwconfig eth0 mode managed key off essid <your SSID> ap any'
[01:49] <gigamonkey> Anubis: so do I need to do something different during installation?
[01:49] <KrisWood> woot, port forwarding is working using firestarter, thanks everyone!
[01:49] <toxicfume> robotgeek: Intel Wireless PRO 2200 B/G
[01:50] <Anubis> gigamonkey, pull the nic out
[01:50] <gigamonkey> I tried typing "server" at the boot: prompt and got the same result.
[01:50] <ferchO> I am installing a program that needs me to specify the folder with the kernel source code, where is this in Ubuntu
[01:50] <Anubis> it appears to be choking on your nic
[01:50] <svmaris> gigamonkey, weird
[01:50] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay i did that
[01:50] <svmaris> toxicfume, type 'dhclient3 eth0'
[01:50] <Mainframe> Anyone know about the ability of ubuntu/linux to run windows games/programs and how?
[01:51] <Mainframe> I'm just running liveCD now but linux is really begining to impress me and I didnt know if I could use my windows games
[01:51] <Anubis> Mainframe, ubuntuguide
[01:51] <toxicfume> svmaris: error: dhclient3: not found
[01:51] <robotgeek> ferchO: /usr/src
[01:51] <Pupeno> Can anybody help me with guarddog/guidedog or firestarter?
[01:51] <Anubis> Mainframe, cedaga(sp)
[01:51] <thingfish> Mainframe: windows games won't run without something like Wine or Cedega.
[01:51] <svmaris> toxicfume, ugh ... does 'dhclient eth0' work?
[01:52] <toxicfume> svmaris: oh lol, yeah something seems to be working now
[01:52] <[Spooky] > thingfish yes Tactical Ops do...
[01:52] <ferchO> whats the version of the kernel in ubuntu
[01:52] <robotgeek> toxicfume: i use this script to get connected, try issuing these commands one by one
[01:52] <svmaris> toxicfume, does it get an IP address?
[01:52] <gigamonkey> Anubis: okay, I've powered down so I can pull out the NIC, just in the interest of science.
[01:52] <Mainframe> thingfish, I heard about WineX, how's that work in terms of compatability and power?
[01:53] <Anubis> gigamonkey, keep me posted
[01:53] <[Spooky] > anyway im trying to figure out how to connect to internet with PPPOE... anyone use it ?
[01:53] <robotgeek> toxicfume: i'll wait a while, finish whatever u are doing :)
[01:53] <toxicfume> svmaris: it says No DHCPOFFERS receved. No working leases in persistent database.
[01:53] <toxicfume> robotgeek: okay it finished now
[01:53] <robotgeek> toxicfume: this is with wep right?
[01:53] <KrisWood> farewell everyone, and thinks for the help :)
[01:53] <_ron> heyy. I am unable to open Synaptic as it fails saying "Child terminated with status 1". Any ideas?
[01:53] <robotgeek> iwconfig eth0 mode Managed
[01:53] <Fator_Dee> [Spooky] : pppoeconf?
[01:54] <toxicfume> robotgeek; meaning?
[01:54] <robotgeek> iwconfig ra0 key [1]  80211a24bcdef5244001038866
[01:54] <svmaris> toxicfume, sh*t ... does 'iwconfig eth0' shows the address or you accesspoint (ap) ? (right top)
[01:54] <svmaris> s/shows/show/
[01:54] <ferchO> anyone know the kernel version in Ubuntu Hoary
[01:54] <anto9us> Mainframe: you know you can set up your system for dual boot?
[01:54] <_ron> uname -r
[01:54] <svmaris> felis, a patched 2.6.10
[01:54] <[Spooky] > Fator_Dee ok, default in Ubuntu or need to compile ?
[01:54] <Fator_Dee> [Spooky] : default
[01:54] <svmaris> felis, sory
[01:54] <svmaris> ferchO, , a patched 2.6.10
[01:54] <[Spooky] > Fator_Dee ok, im gonna take a look...
[01:54] <toxicfume> svmaris: no it doesn't :(
[01:55] <robotgeek> toxicfume: basically, you have to set your wireless options like keys and stuff before you can get a dhcp offer
[01:55] <Mainframe> anto9us, I've actually got two drives ready to go. One for windows and one for linux, but I just want to see the performance of linux as a system on the whole
[01:55] <svmaris> toxicfume, it says 00:00:00:00:00:00, right?
[01:55] <ferchO> thanks, i am installing a program that needs me to specify the location of the kernel source, is this even on my pc?
[01:55] <_ron> heyy. I am unable to open Synaptic as it fails saying "Child terminated with status 1". Any ideas?
[01:55] <Pupeno> is there a program like firestart/guardog/guidedog that allows to open UDP ports and works ?
[01:55] <Mainframe> anto9us, Would hate to have to keep restarting every time I wanted to play a game or just fuck around
[01:55] <toxicfume> svmaris: yes, that is what it says
[01:55] <nickrud> Pupeno, shorewall is in main
[01:55] <toxicfume> robotgeek: yeah..but ther is no WEP
[01:55] <robotgeek> ferchO: you wud need to isntall the build-essential package
[01:55] <Fator_Dee> _ron: do you have another instance of synaptic open?
[01:55] <Pupeno> _ron: maybe you have a broken apt repository or something like that.
[01:56] <robotgeek> toxicfume: you are not trying to connect to a wep network?
[01:56] <ferchO> argh linux is too complicated
[01:56] <_ron> Fator_Dee, no.
[01:56] <robotgeek> ferchO: slow and steady :)
[01:56] <anto9us> Mainframe: for best performance look for native linux alternatives to your productivity apps, games though, which I never play, I think cedega is the popular option
[01:56] <nickrud> ferchO, what are you installing?
[01:56] <toxicfume> robotgeek: no..the network is unprotected
[01:56] <_ron> Pupeno, Well I cannot even sudo.
[01:56] <Curlydave> hi
[01:56] <svmaris> toxicfume, hm .. let me think
[01:56] <Curlydave> anyone here have doom3 unning on linux?
[01:56] <goldfish> yes
[01:56] <Pupeno> _ron: then there's another lower problem that should be solved first: sudoing.
[01:56] <toxicfume> svmaris: alright :)
[01:56] <robotgeek> toxicfume: iwconfig eth0 essid "essid"
[01:57] <ferchO> nickrud, I need to get my Wifi card working.. Ubuntu didnt install it , the drivers on the cards website are for redhat , I got linux-wlan which is supposed to be a program that installs my card but it asks me for the kernel source to be installed
[01:57] <svmaris> robotgeek, we already did that :)
[01:57] <_ron> Pupeno, it gives: ron is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[01:57] <toxicfume> robotgeek: yeah, as svmaris says
[01:57] <robotgeek> svmaris,toxicfume : sorry!!
[01:58] <svmaris> np
[01:58] <toxicfume> hehe, not a prob :)
[01:58] <Pupeno> ferchO: if there's no package for debian or ubuntu, you need to get the sources.
[01:58] <ferchO> from where
[01:58] <ferchO> ftp.kernel.org ?
[01:58] <Pupeno> _ron: then, you should add the user ron to the sudoers file (it's in some faq of ubuntu/kubuntu)
[01:58] <svmaris> toxicfume, can you try 'iwconfig eth0 ap any' again and then check with 'iwconfig eth0' ?
[01:58] <Pupeno> ferchO: not the linux sources, the driver sources.
[01:58] <Mainframe> anto9us: Thanks for the info. I'll check out cedega and winex
[01:58] <_ron> Pupeno, oh. lol. thank you
[01:58] <robotgeek> svmaris,toxicfume : got to go now...cya later!
[01:58] <ferchO> o_O
[01:58] <nickrud> ferchO, I don't have wireless, so can't help there, but apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 will get you source
[01:58] <svmaris> robotgeek, bye
[01:59] <ferchO> ok thankies
[01:59] <toxicfume> svmaris: tried..still the same :S
[01:59] <Curlydave> hey, does anyoen knwo how to start installing Doom3?
[01:59] <Curlydave> how to use the .run file
[01:59] <nickrud> ferchO, but I'd look a little harder for an ubuntu solution, first :)
[01:59] <svmaris> toxicfume, is there any way you can find out the hardware address of the access point ? (using another, working machine)
[02:00] <Funraiser> Curlydave, do u have the game on a cd?
[02:00] <toxicfume> svmaris: well no, cause the laptop is the only machine with a wireless nic
[02:00] <Curlydave> funraiser: 3 to be exact!
[02:00] <toxicfume> svmaris: is it possible that the wireless nic is not working properly with ubuntu?
[02:00] <svmaris> toxicfume, can you bring the interface down and back up again? (ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up)
[02:00] <robertj> svmaris: arp ipaddress
[02:01] <Curlydave> hey, does anyone knwo who to to the name: thing by clicking on someone's name with X-chat?
[02:01] <svmaris> robertj, he has no networking atm
[02:01] <Funraiser> Curlydave, http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Doom3
[02:01] <Fator_Dee> Curlydave: do you mean tab-completion or something else?
[02:01] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay, did that
[02:02] <robertj> also, my access point has the default mac address on the bottom
[02:02] <Pupeno> is there a GUI for shorewall ?
[02:02] <svmaris> svmaris, well ... iwconfig finds the card, so I guess it's supported .. and I've got an Intel 2200 aswell that works without problems
[02:02] <Funraiser> Curlydave, type the biginning of the name, and then use tab to finish it
[02:02] <svmaris> toxicfume, still no ap in iwconfig?
[02:02] <toxicfume> svmaris: no :(
[02:02] <Curlydave> ohh, ty Funraiser
[02:02] <Curlydave> parfait
[02:02] <batma8> root@ubuntu:/home/batma8 # ndiswrapper -i Rt2500.INF
[02:02] <batma8> rt2500 is already installed. Use -e to remove it
[02:02] <batma8> root@ubuntu:/home/batma8 # ndiswrapper -l
[02:02] <batma8> Installed ndis drivers:
[02:02] <batma8> rt2500  invalid driver!
[02:02] <svmaris> toxicfume, did it ever work before?
[02:03] <Hackmo> Hey all, i've got a problemo with XMMS
[02:03] <batma8> can anyone help me with this problem?
[02:03] <gigamonkey> Anubis: that wasn't it.
[02:03] <toxicfume> svmaris: in windows, yes
[02:03] <srbaker> yo
[02:03] <Curlydave> Funraiser, i'll check otu that link
[02:03] <srbaker> ijust installed a new monitor and want ubuntu to do the autodetection of it again
[02:03] <srbaker> how do i do that?
[02:03] <nickrud> Pupeno, no, it's a text only, but it's in main so it'll get good security support
[02:03] <Anubis> gigamonkey, sorry
[02:03] <Hackmo> It froze when I tried to play an mpeg file and after I closed it, it wont load up again
[02:03] <svmaris> toxicfume, hm ... same card, same settings? Are you absolutely _sure_ that WEP is off?
[02:03] <Fator_Dee> srbaker: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:03] <srbaker> anyone?
[02:04] <srbaker> Fator_Dee, thanks
[02:04] <toxicfume> svmaris: yes i'm pretty sure, windows connects to it automatically, neverever asked me for the WEP
[02:04] <Hackmo> Anyone got any ideas?
[02:04] <thingfish> boy that shows you how close ubuntu is to debian.
[02:04] <Hackmo> without the need to restart my computer/gnome
[02:04] <svmaris> toxicfume, does the laptop have a hardware-button to enable/disable the wlan?
[02:05] <toxicfume> svmaris: yes it does, and it is enbaled i think, cause the installer can detect it
[02:05] <toxicfume> (doesn't complain that the wlan is off (
[02:05] <svmaris> toxicfume, because on my previous laptop, iwconfig would show everything, even if it was turned 'off' with the button .. it just wouldn't work
[02:05] <svmaris> toxicfume, so .. try pushing the button :)
[02:06] <Funraiser> Curlydave, on that links there is the link for doom3linux.com and others
[02:06] <anto9us> Hackmo: you could try deleting your ~/.xmms/config file and starting again
[02:06] <svmaris> toxicfume, I'm trying everything here ;)
[02:06] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay if you insist :P pushed it
[02:06] <Curlydave> k Funraiser
[02:06] <svmaris> toxicfume, what does iwconfig eth0 say?
[02:06] <toxicfume> svmaris: hehe thanks..no hurry here
[02:06] <Hackmo> anto9us: ok thanks, i'll give it a go
[02:06] <toxicfume> svmaris: says the same
[02:07] <anto9us> Hackmo: sorry, first try killall xmms
[02:07] <svmaris> toxicfume, ok .. try the whole 'iwconfig eth0 mode managed essid <bla> ap auto' again
[02:07] <Curlydave> Funraiser, that tells me how to dl the linux client, but i already have it-do you know how to atulaly start installing?
[02:07] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay
[02:07] <Hackmo> anto9us: thanks! that worked
[02:07] <anto9us> :)
[02:07] <toxicfume> svmaris: done
[02:07] <svmaris> toxicfume, because, either the button doesn't work (it's a software-button), or we turned the wlan on
[02:07] <svmaris> toxicfume, still no ap?
[02:08] <toby_> anyone know why isnt ubuntu detecting my laptop battery
[02:08] <nova> hmm
[02:08] <toxicfume> svmaris: nope..still the same
[02:08] <svmaris> toxicfume, f*ck
[02:08] <nova> what would it take to run windows under vmware on unbutu
[02:08] <toxicfume> svmaris: so, what if it's a software btton? how do i get it to work? :s
[02:08] <nova> unbuntu even
[02:09] <svmaris> toxicfume, that's all I have ... if it's a software-button it doesn't work until you install a program to handle it..
[02:09] <anto9us> nova: have you tried qemu? It's a free alternative
[02:09] <svmaris> toxicfume, and it should be on now, because you used it in windows
[02:09] <nova> nope
[02:10] <svmaris> toxicfume, one other thing .. is it a 802.11B or 802.11G access point? (11 or 54mbit?)
[02:10] <toxicfume> svmaris: oh okay
[02:10] <anto9us> nova: www.qemu.org for information about it, it's in the ubuntu repositories though
[02:10] <toxicfume> svmaris: it's both b and g
[02:10] <thingfish> how fast is 802.11G?
[02:11] <thingfish> like top througput.
[02:11] <thingfish> *throughput
[02:11] <svmaris> toxicfume, and it's configured to access both? or only g?
[02:11] <toxicfume> smv: i'm sure it's on..cause if it's off, ubuntu reports during installation that it's closed with the "kill-switch"
[02:11] <toxicfume> svmaris: bothi guess
[02:11] <svmaris> thingfish, real-world performance is about 22mbit
[02:11] <thingfish> svmaris: ok, thanks.
[02:11] <svmaris> thingfish, it's always 50% of the theoretical speed
[02:11] <nova> how can i get it directly from ubuntu repository?
[02:12] <kisain> how do you uninstall kubuntu?
[02:12] <kisain> they won't tell me
[02:12] <kisain> it's causing crap on my system
[02:12] <_ron> kisain.. I think that you can apt-get remove kde-desktop
[02:12] <svmaris> toxicfume, could you try 'iwconfig eth0 rate 11M' and then 'iwconfig eth0 mode managed ap any'
[02:12] <kisain> cool thanx
[02:12] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay..lets hope this works
[02:13] <kisain> hey and if i post a link to a problem i'm having cansome one give me an idea?
[02:13] <svmaris> toxicfume, it probably won't .. but I'm desperate here ;)
[02:13] <_ron> kisain, maybe.
[02:13] <toxicfume> svmaris: ugh, no :(
[02:13] <toby_> where is the /.icons folder  .. anyone know
[02:13] <kisain> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36286
[02:13] <anto9us> nova: you need to add the universe repository, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:14] <svmaris> toxicfume, did you type the SSID correctly? right capitalization and stuff?
[02:14] <happysushi> can some help me: i install adobe acrobat 7.0 and when i click on it, window pops up that says 'cannot launch entry, details: failed to execute child process "acroread" (permission denied)'
[02:14] <toxicfume> svmaris: yes, it's 3Com
[02:14] <nickrud> kisain, start with apt-get uninstall --purge libqt-mt
[02:15] <nickrud> *remove
[02:15] <nickrud> :)
[02:16] <Funraiser> happysushi, where do u click?
[02:16] <svmaris> toxicfume, another thing: 'iwconfig eth0 key open'
[02:17] <toxicfume> svmaris: it gave an error
[02:17] <svmaris> toxicfume, oh ? what error?
[02:18] <toxicfume> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device eth0 ; operation not supported.
[02:18] <toby_> i have installed linux-source-2.6.10 ... i would like to know where the src files were placed
[02:18] <nickrud> toby_, /usr/src
[02:18] <kisain> nickrud it says it coulden't find it lol
[02:18] <toby_> thanx
[02:18] <nova> anto9us added universe now what?
[02:19] <kisain> coulden't find the pacage lol
[02:19] <toxicfume> svmaris: do you know what that means?
[02:19] <nickrud> kisain, I don't have kde installed, but you want the lowest level installed library you can get
[02:19] <thingfish> kisain: maybe you have to untar the source.
[02:19] <svmaris> toxicfume, it could be harmless, but I'm google'ing anyway :) .. hold on
[02:19] <kisain> ok well i uninstalled kde but theres one thing that botthers me
[02:19] <nickrud> kisain, doing that to libgtk2.0-0 wants to remove 495 meg of gnome apps :)
[02:19] <toby_> i get this error :/
[02:19] <toby_> Linux source tree /usr/src/ is incomplete or missing!
[02:20] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay, thanks :)
[02:20] <kisain> what about the boot manager the default was set to go into kde lol
[02:20] <thingfish> sorry, toby, maybe you need to untar the source.  What file is currently in /usr/src?
[02:20] <toby_> folder rpm
[02:20] <toby_> and a tar file
[02:20] <Quest-Master> God
[02:20] <thingfish> toby_: what's the name of the tar file?
[02:21] <toby_> linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2
[02:21] <Quest-Master> Firefox has been downloading things absolutely terribly lately
[02:21] <Quest-Master> Terribly as in speed
[02:21] <nickrud> kisain, sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[02:21] <kisain> i'm starting to think bob2 was right software raid 1 is alot of trouble
[02:21] <kisain> brb
[02:21] <thingfish> toby_: ok, that's the source, you need to unzip it.  Do tar jxvf /usr/src/linux-source-(etc)
[02:21] <Funraiser> happysushi, still there?
[02:21] <happysushi> funraiser: i click on applications->office->adobe reader
[02:21] <happysushi> sorry
[02:22] <toby_> okies thank you
[02:22] <thingfish> np
[02:22] <Funraiser> happysushi, ok what did u follow to install it?
[02:22] <Lafitte-> Quest-Master, and its because its firefox ?
[02:22] <_me_> anyone know how to set the region on a dvd drive? not the software the drive itself?
[02:22] <svmaris> toxicfume, just for the hell of it .. would you mind pushing the button again and retry the 'key open'-thing?
[02:22] <toby_> what would a program installation need the kernel source
[02:23] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay
[02:23] <nickrud> doh, I'm brain-dead today
[02:23] <thingfish> toby_: some of them do.  What are you trying to install?
[02:23] <Funraiser> happysushi, ok follow this again and don't forget the sudo http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#acroread
[02:23] <toby_> im installing linux-wlan  to see if that gets my pCMCIA wifi card working...
[02:23] <happysushi> ok lemme look
[02:24] <thingfish> toby_: ah, those often require a lot of computing gymnastics.
[02:24] <toxicfume> svmaris: still doesn't work
[02:24] <toby_> which is bad cause i have 0 experience with linux :/
[02:24] <thingfish> hehe
[02:24] <happysushi> i wasn't installing the plugin, i was installing the whole thing
[02:24] <concept10> computing gymnastics :)
[02:24] <svmaris> toxicfume, same error?
[02:24] <_me_> humm guess not
[02:24] <Funraiser> happysushi, i know but there is both here
[02:24] <happysushi> oh right
[02:24] <happysushi> heh
[02:24] <happysushi> heh
[02:24] <toxicfume> svmaris: yep, exactly
[02:25] <svmaris> toxicfume, "iwconfig eth0 key off"
[02:25] <svmaris> toxicfume, does that work?
[02:25] <toxicfume> svmaris: yes it does
[02:25] <happysushi> i had d/led it from adobe.com and followed the instructions in the readme
[02:25] <_ron> heyy. Um. How do I get the sound working again? (Fresh install)
[02:26] <Lafitte-> _ron what part of sound doesnt work ?
[02:26] <happysushi> thanks funraiser
[02:26] <svmaris> toxicfume, the docs say 'Managed' instead of 'managed' .. could you try 'iwconfig eth0 mode Managed' and check the ap again? .. this is my last resort
[02:26] <Lafitte-> _ron  all of it ?
[02:26] <_ron> Lafitte-, it doesn't work at all
[02:26] <mebaran151> is X11 fixed on breezy yet
[02:26] <toxicfume> svmaris: heheh okay
[02:26] <mebaran151> my xserver still refuses to run
[02:26] <_ron> Lafitte-, alsamixer shows nothing... ie.
[02:26] <toby_> whats the terminal command to move a folder to usr/src
[02:26] <mebaran151> what are you trying to moive
[02:26] <Lafitte-> _ron,  do sudo lspci
[02:27] <Lafitte-> _ron,  first see if sound card shows up
[02:27] <mebaran151> it is not a good idea to mess with stuff in usr
[02:27] <toxicfume> svmaris: ah sigh,it's still the same
[02:27] <toby_> the kernel source folder from home/user to usr/src
[02:27] <Funraiser> happysushi, np
[02:27] <mebaran151> better to leave it in your home directory
[02:27] <_ron> Lafitte-, 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
[02:27] <mebaran151> toby_, why not just dll the kernel src from apt
[02:27] <toby_> i did that
[02:27] <mebaran151> messing with permissions isnt any fun
[02:27] <mebaran151> so it puts it in /usr/src automataically
[02:28] <toxicfume> sigh, this isn't going smooth with ubuntu :( no acpi, no wireless...
[02:28] <svmaris> toxicfume, well ... I'm out of ideas ... it's a shame that 'iwlist' is not available. Can you install over the wired network?
[02:28] <toby_> yes it did but i ran tar from my home folder and it copied there
[02:28] <toxicfume> svmaris: yeah  i can
[02:28] <Lafitte-> _ron,  ok  system>admin>device manager  see if its there
[02:28] <toby_> now i wish to move it to where it should be
[02:28] <mebaran151> does Hoary include a prebuilt ndiswrapper
[02:28] <mebaran151> I am thinking of running the install on my laptop
[02:28] <Daehlie> i am having trouble mounting cds under hoary, in that when trying to run mount /dev/hdc /cdrom i get error no block device found, and I am SURE that the drive is secondary master
[02:29] <svmaris> toxicfume, well... install it and try the 'iwlist' thing if the accesspoint actually shows up .. if you need any further help, email me at svmaris@madline.net and I'll try to help you
[02:29] <_ron> Lafitte-, It is there.
[02:29] <toxicfume> svmaris: alright, thanks for that, i'll contact you :)
[02:29] <Lafitte-> _ron,   ok    then   goto http://www.ubuntuguide.org/   and install the codecs   and then goto bottom of page wher eit says fix sound
[02:29] <svmaris> toxicfume, no problem .. I'm just doing my part in the Linux Global Domination Scheme ;)
[02:29] <anto9us> mebaran151: yes
[02:30] <Lafitte-> _ron see if that does it for you
[02:30] <toby_> on the folders browser window is there an option to add arrows under the menubar just like window for easier browsing?
[02:30] <toxicfume> the thing is...even with the wired network DHCP doesn't seem to work :( eventhough DHCP is turned on in the host machine
[02:30] <toxicfume> setup makes me manully configure..which i could..but DHCP should work right?
[02:31] <svmaris> toxicfume, yeah.. it should, dhcp is done by another machine? .. or the accesspoint?
[02:31] <toxicfume> svmaris: both have dhcp
[02:32] <Lafitte-> How to upgrade from Hoary Hedgehog to Breezy Badger (experimental)
[02:32] <Lafitte-> who has done this ?
[02:32] <clay> if wired part doesn't work with dhcp, why would the wireless work?
[02:32] <svmaris> toxicfume, I usually make sure only 1 dhcp-server is active, but it should work I guess
[02:32] <toby_> i have another problem with the source...
[02:32] <toby_> now it says:
[02:32] <toby_> Linux source tree /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10 is incomplete or missing!
[02:32] <toby_>     The kernel header files are present, but not  the full source code.
[02:33] <spinifex> okay, woo, I just installed Hoary Hedgehog.  Can anyone tell me what repositories I should be using?  And where to get this information
[02:33] <svmaris> clay: apparently he has 2 dhcp servers
[02:33] <anto9us> spinifex: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:34] <clay> svmaris: but that not may be his problem.. have you tried giving it a static address for now to make sure the link is working?
[02:35] <svmaris> clay: well, the wireless is definitely not working, because he has no associated access point, which should be there regardless of the ip-settings
[02:36] <clay> true
[02:36] <spinifex> oh  *clicks "Show Disabled Repositories"
[02:36] <Funraiser> to do a sh install-blala.sh thing to i need to sudo?
[02:36] <Funraiser> do*
[02:36] <spinifex> depends,
[02:36] <toxicfume> i'm just going to boot into windows just to assure myself the ap is working
[02:37] <svmaris> toxicfume, sounds like a plan
[02:37] <svmaris> toxicfume, try to find the ap hardware address (xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx)
[02:37] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay
[02:37] <anto9us> Funraiser: depends where you want to install to, to make the .sh executable though you need to chmod +x <filename>.sh
[02:38] <Funraiser> anto9us, if i want to install just on my /home/me ?
[02:38] <toxicfume> svmaris: well yes the ap s present on windows
[02:38] <anto9us> Funraiser: no need for sudo
[02:38] <Lafitte-> everyone with me luck   im upgrading distro
[02:38] <Lafitte-> wish
[02:39] <Funraiser> thanks anto9us
[02:39] <_ron> Lafitte-, No luck with my sound. :(
[02:39] <Bh420> anyone got a link to teh css plugin i need to use watch dvds ?
[02:40] <svmaris> toxicfume, hm .. I'm not sure if this is 'good news' or 'bad news' .. but at least we know the ap is fine
[02:40] <Lafitte-> _ron,   darn    i dont know    google for your sound card  and ubuntu    see what comes up
[02:40] <K_Dallas> sorry guys, but what is the program to read chm files ? not xchm :)
[02:40] <toxicfume> svmaris: hehe yes..well i'm jotting down the physical address now
[02:40] <toby_> what is Ndiswrapper for
[02:40] <toxicfume> 00-0E-35-EE-A8-51
[02:41] <toxicfume> svmaris: that's the correct format right?
[02:41] <Lafitte-> toby_,  it runs windows drivers  on linux
[02:41] <svmaris> toxicfume, looks right .. that's the MAC of the ap, right? .. not the wireless card itself?
[02:41] <toby_> thx
[02:41] <Lafitte-> toby_,  alot used it for running centrino laptops wireless  because was not supported for long time
[02:42] <toxicfume> svmaris: oh no sorry, that's the NIC's mac..how do i find the ap's mac in windows? :S
[02:42] <spinifex> what do the icons mean in synaptic?  Some checkboxes have stars, and some have an ubuntu logo next to them
[02:42] <Lafitte-> oh this is crazy   hopei dont break system
[02:42] <svmaris> toxicfume, I have no idea ... I haven't used windows for about 8 years
[02:42] <toxicfume> svmaris: i have netstumbler which scans aps..and that is reporting: 00-0D-54-FC-43-16
[02:42] <anto9us> spinifex: see help | icon legend
[02:43] <svmaris> toxicfume, that looks about right
[02:43] <mebaran151> does Hoary prepkg ndiswrapper
[02:43] <svmaris> toxicfume, time to reboot again :)
[02:43] <mebaran151> I am going to install on my laptop
[02:43] <mebaran151> but dont want to have to buy an ethernet cord
[02:43] <toxicfume> svmaris: yes, that is the one
[02:43] <mebaran151> it is using a crappy dell trumobile card
[02:43] <spinifex> oh, thank you.  *bonks self for not noticing the obvious*
[02:43] <toxicfume> svmaris: hehe okay
[02:43] <mebaran151> truemobile
[02:43] <Lafitte-> mebaran151, why would you have to ?
[02:43] <mebaran151> well
[02:43] <mebaran151> I would need the internet to dll
[02:43] <mebaran151> bluefish editor
[02:43] <mebaran151> among other things I need on that laptop
[02:43] <mebaran151> and to get all the securities updates
[02:44] <Bh420> does anyone have a link to the css plugin .deb I need to use watch dvds with ubuntu ?
[02:44] <Lafitte-> mebaran151,   try the live cd see if it works
[02:44] <mebaran151> I just need to know if the module is preprovided
[02:44] <anto9us> mebaran151: makes sure you use bcmwl5a and not bcmwl5 driver
[02:44] <mebaran151> the live cd of course wouldnt have it
[02:44] <mebaran151> you have to have the driver on your harddisk
[02:44] <Lafitte-> mebaran151,  if you boot from the live cd  you will fnd out if it is
[02:45] <mebaran151> and if it doesnt mount the harddisk
[02:45] <mebaran151> you wouldnt be able to get the driver
[02:45] <kent> Bh420, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats  have you read that page?
[02:45] <svmaris> mebaran151, the live cd acts as the 'harddisk'
[02:45] <mebaran151> well
[02:45] <mebaran151> but does the livecd
[02:45] <anto9us> mebaran151: you going to dual boot it? if so you can just point at the driver on the windows partition
[02:45] <Bh420> kent - i got it here once before
[02:45] <Lafitte-> mebaran151,  ndiswrapper is not free of charge    so im guessing its not included
[02:45] <mebaran151> carry the windows Dell Drivers
[02:45] <mebaran151> ah
[02:45] <mebaran151> it isn't
[02:45] <Bh420> kent - reading
[02:45] <usynic> ndiswrapper is free
[02:46] <Lafitte-> mebaran151,  what you need to use it for  ??
[02:46] <svmaris> Lafitte-, ndiswrapper is free .. driverloader isn't
[02:46] <rotava> does anyone use the berlios atmel wlan drivers? I've got the at76c503-sources, and it has a debian subfolder, but I'm not quite sure if I can build a dpkg... would anyone know a good way to go about getting these up and running?
[02:46] <mebaran151> for my Dell Wireless card
[02:46] <nickrud> Bh420, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/libdvdcss2-dev_1.2.8-sarge0.0_i386.deb
[02:46] <mebaran151> I need ndiswrapper to run my dell wireless car
[02:46] <rotava> subdirectory*
[02:46] <Lafitte-> svmaris, it wasnt free before  it was 20 bux
[02:46] <mebaran151> oh and in Hoary
[02:46] <nickrud> Bh420, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/libdvdcss2_1.2.8-sarge0.0_i386.deb
[02:46] <mebaran151> do we follow sarge or unstable
[02:46] <nickrud> I am so brain ded
[02:46] <svmaris> Lafitte-, uh? .. that sucks .. didn't know that
[02:46] <Lafitte-> mebaran151,  what is the driver model ?
[02:46] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay im back at the same part of setup..and it stillcan't detect a wifi signal
[02:46] <mebaran151> wdm
[02:46] <petroleum> !time
[02:46] <mebaran151> I guess
[02:46] <anto9us> mebaran151: I'm runing true mobile 1450 on hoary
[02:46] <mebaran151> ah
[02:46] <mebaran151> anto9us, how do you do it
[02:46] <Lafitte-> svmaris,  and the trial really blows
[02:47] <mebaran151> did you need an ethernet cable link first
[02:47] <anto9us> mebaran151: that's the way I set it all up, yes
[02:47] <Lafitte-> mebaran151,  what is the wireless car din the machine ?
[02:47] <mebaran151> ah
[02:47] <mebaran151> did you have to compile the modules from src
[02:47] <toby_> whats the shell command to move a file or folder
[02:47] <mebaran151> Dell Truemobile 1300
[02:47] <svmaris> Lafitte-, I see nothing that indicates that it isn't free on http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/, are you sure your not confusing it with driverloader?
[02:47] <mebaran151> toby_, mv
[02:47] <toby_> okies
[02:47] <mebaran151> but you DONT WANT TOO
[02:47] <anto9us> mebaran151: no, I used the one from the repository, was very easy
[02:48] <toxicfume> svmaris: omg it foudn the AP!!!!
[02:48] <toxicfume> i didn't even do crap
[02:48] <svmaris> toxicfume, uh?
[02:48] <mebaran151> anto9us, which repo
[02:48] <svmaris> toxicfume, what did you do?
[02:48] <Lafitte-> svmaris,   im sure   when i get my centrino laptop  way back when and it was needed   it cost 20 bux   for full version  otherwise   it was crippled abit
[02:48] <anto9us> mebaran151: it's in main
[02:48] <mebaran151> really
[02:48] <Funraiser> anto9us, u said chmod ? to make the sh executable?
[02:48] <toxicfume> but it can't get the address from the DHCP..but it shows the ap's mac address and the frequency
[02:48] <mebaran151> a prebuilt module too
[02:48] <anto9us> Funraiser: chmod +x <filename>.sh
[02:48] <Funraiser> k thanks
[02:48] <Bh420> kent - thanks
[02:49] <toxicfume> svmaris: i don;t know..i don't feel i did anything :S
[02:49] <mebaran151> I just realized
[02:49] <Lafitte-> mebaran151,  if you boot from the Ubuntu Live cd  you could find out if it works  before you do it
[02:49] <mebaran151> ndiswrapper means nothing on AMD64
[02:49] <mebaran151> hehehe
[02:49] <anto9us> mebaran151: I've since upgraded my kernel without problems
[02:49] <Lafitte-> mebaran151,  rofl
[02:49] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  what kernel you use ?
[02:49] <mebaran151> as the wdm is still 32 bit
[02:49] <svmaris> Lafitte-, again: Linuxant Driverloader is $19.95, ndiswrapper is free ... where does it state that ndiswrapper is not free?
[02:49] <mebaran151> I guess.....
[02:50] <anto9us> Lafitte-: 2.6.10-5-686-smp
[02:50] <Lafitte-> svmaris,  hrmm    might have been that
[02:50] <svmaris> Lafitte-, that's what I said ;)
[02:50] <toxicfume> svmaris: do you know how i could get DHCP to work now?
[02:50] <Lafitte-> svmaris,    oh sorry     i know    ndiswrapper  sucked     and linuxant worked  and was 20 bux  you are correct      sorry  been  almost 2 years dude
[02:51] <Lafitte-> svmaris, ndiswrapper dropped signal alot for some reason   the way it handled  wep keys   maybe thats all fixed now
[02:51] <svmaris> Lafitte-, no problem ;) ...
[02:51] <Lafitte-> svmaris,  hehe    linux has so many things ot remember
[02:51] <anto9us> I have no problems with ndiswrapper
[02:51] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  nice  did it make difference ?
[02:52] <svmaris> Lafitte-, I haven't used either for about 2 years, since the ipw2100/ipw2200-project started I used that one
[02:52] <svmaris> toxicfume, erhm
[02:52] <svmaris> toxicfume, so you've got an ap?
[02:52] <Lafitte-> svmaris,  i have ipw2100
[02:52] <toxicfume> svmaris: yeah..it seems to appear now
[02:52] <toxicfume> svmaris: how do i check it's validity?
[02:52] <Z-Ro> how to i set up my wireless card with ndiswrapper
[02:52] <anto9us> Lafitte-: yes, a noticible difference, not run any benchmarks though, I have a P4 3.2Ghz HT
[02:53] <svmaris> toxicfume, well .. in that case you can continue the regular setup .. but you can check manually by doing 'dhclient eth0' in the console
[02:53] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  aww  kewl
[02:53] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  how i see my kernel ?
[02:53] <svmaris> Lafitte-, my previous laptop had ipw2100 ... the new one has ipw2200 ;)
[02:53] <anto9us> Lafitte-: uname -r
[02:53] <Lafitte-> svmaris,  yeah
[02:54] <dampjam> how far along is breezy?
[02:54] <Lafitte-> svmaris,  i have 2.6.10-5-386
[02:54] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  2.6.10-5-386
[02:54] <Lafitte-> i mean
[02:54] <toxicfume> svmaris: in dhclient eth0 i get the same thing i previously did, no DHCPOFFERS received :S
[02:54] <Z-Ro> how to i set up my wireless card with ndiswrapper, ive already installed ndiswrapper, i just dont know what to do next
[02:55] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  would i be better off with different kernel ?
[02:55] <dampjam> I started running hoary a month early and was very happy, is it at least semi stable yet?
[02:55] <svmaris> toxicfume, can you ping the accesspoint when you manually configure the ip-address? 'ifconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx'
[02:55] <Lafitte-> dampjam,  im upgrading to breezy now
[02:55] <Lafitte-> dampjam,  as we speak
[02:55] <dampjam> Lafitte-: let me know if anything goes crazy
[02:55] <Lafitte-> dampjam,  yeah  hehe
[02:55] <svmaris> Lafitte-, I wouldn't do that, unless you want to break your system :)
[02:55] <anto9us> Lafitte-: what processor do you have?
[02:56] <toxicfume> svmaris: how do i ping?
[02:56] <svmaris> toxicfume, 'ping <ip of ap>'
[02:56] <Lafitte-> svmaris,  i can reinstall easy enough
[02:56] <svmaris> Lafitte-, in that case: go for it :)
[02:56] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  centrino  with 1.4 cpu
[02:56] <toxicfume> svmaris: it says ping: not found
[02:56] <ictyl> is it possible to debootstrap a breezy install (if so, where can I find the debootstrap script?)
[02:56] <anto9us> Lafitte-: I guess trying the 686 kernel can't hurt anything :)
[02:57] <Lafitte-> dampjam,  i will   hehe   it says it could break system    but it wouldnt be there if wasnt semi ready
[02:57] <svmaris> toxicfume, no ping? .. argh ... that sucks .. .ehm
[02:57] <_ron> heyy. My sound is not working at all. I have done everything on ubuntuguide.org that relates. I have also installed alsa-source.... Ideas?
[02:57] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  yeah    if i break this  ill reinstall with 686   heh e
[02:57] <toby_> for ndiswrapper i need winxp drivers or win98 drivers?
[02:57] <Lafitte-> toby_,  xp drivers work
[02:58] <toby_> i followed the instructions on this page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto to install my wifi card
[02:58] <toby_> but ndiswrapper says the drivers are invalid
[02:58] <anto9us> toby_: I use XP drivers on mine
[02:58] <Lafitte-> toby_,  usually  can google for the drivers you need   and they will be there for you
[02:58] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  just to see what is going on
[02:58] <toby_> linux makes everything so much more complicated :/
[02:58] <goldfish> lol
[02:59] <kane> man what a mess i have
[02:59] <svmaris> toxicfume, in that case .. just try to enter the info manually in the setup and try to continue the install
[02:59] <toby_> on windows i can install my wifi in 2 mins, on linux ive been trying for more than 30 without success
[02:59] <svmaris> toxicfume, I'm afraid communication with the ap still doesn't work
[02:59] <anto9us> toby_: that depends what you're doing, some windows stuff I've never ever got my head around
[02:59] <Lafitte-> toby_,  you think ?
[02:59] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay
[02:59] <toxicfume> svmaris: damn
[02:59] <dr_willis> toby_,  on windows i  installed a printer driver and the machine would simply power off - when i printed a test page... :P
[02:59] <toby_> i have no idea what im doing
[03:00] <g14> toby_: Well maybe it's the IHV's fault because M$ doesn't want them to release their hardware specifications so they dont
[03:00] <svmaris> toxicfume, doesn't work?
[03:00] <toby_> yes that could happen  but in general windows is a lot easier to get stuff working
[03:00] <anto9us> toby_: stick with it, it makes more sense over time :)
[03:00] <dr_willis> and i knew what i was doing. :P well i was following the docs..
[03:00] <Lafitte-> toby_,  the thing about linux  is  i you hace cutting edge gear    you are screwed
[03:00] <g14> toby_: It's because of M$
[03:00] <toby_> what if i cant get my wifi card working, im trashing linux
[03:00] <Lafitte-> toby_,  otherwise it would JFW    and that would be kewl
[03:00] <Cybermagellan> OK, I have a fan from my room on my computer and it hasn't reset yet
[03:01] <Lafitte-> toby_,  i had to for a year
[03:01] <dr_willis> wifi - the next 'winmodem' fiasco.. ive rewired my house and dumped all wireless networking.. much easier to run wires.
[03:01] <Amaranth> toby_: ndiswrapper?
[03:01] <toby_> yes
[03:01] <toby_> amaranth
[03:01] <_ron> heyy. My sound is not working at all. I have done everything on ubuntuguide.org that relates. I have also installed alsa-source.... Ideas?
[03:01] <toxicfume> svmaris: i entered the manual info..dunno if it works yet or not..doign the partitioning thing
[03:01] <Amaranth> oh, i've never used it, i just asking if you looked at it
[03:01] <toby_> okis
[03:01] <Amaranth> toby_: there is a page on the wiki about it, iirc
[03:01] <toxicfume> svmaris: do u know whether the partition i install linux on has to have the bootable flag option as Yes? or no?
[03:01] <toby_> yes im seeing it now thanx
[03:02] <dr_willis> toxicfume,  i do not think that the bootable flag is needed.
[03:02] <svmaris> toxicfume, no... if you install the bootloader in the master boot record the bootable flag is not needed
[03:02] <toxicfume> ohkay, thanks dr_willis, svmaris
[03:02] <svmaris> toxicfume, otherwise, it will install itself on the bootpartition, which already have the bootflag
[03:02] <svmaris> s/have/has/
[03:03] <anto9us> toby_: you've got to admire the ingenuity of the linux boffins for getting windows only hardware working under linux
[03:03] <son> \py exec import socket
[03:03] <son> oops
[03:03] <dr_willis> Grr.. i go to print a page in firefox.. and it just coredumps.  :( sigh
[03:03] <dr_willis> wonder what i managed to mess up this time hehheh.
[03:04] <toby_> where is the ~/.icons folder located
[03:04] <Madpilot> Cybermagellan: still trying to cool your case down, hey?
[03:04] <svmaris> toby_, "~" is your home directory
[03:05] <toby_> oh
[03:05] <toby_> haha linux is funny
[03:05] <anto9us> toby_: there's an icons directory under /usr/share/
[03:05] <dumbledore> hello
[03:05] <svmaris> hi dumbledore
[03:05] <toby_> what is the period in front of the icons /.icons
[03:05] <toby_> does that make the folder special in any way
[03:06] <anto9us> toby_: yes, it means it's hidden
[03:06] <toby_> okies
[03:06] <toby_> :)
[03:06] <svmaris> toby_, most configuration files get a '.' in front of them, so they are 'hidden' and don't clutter up your filemanager
[03:06] <dr_willis> time to read a few linux 101 tutorials  :P
[03:06] <svmaris> learn by doing
[03:06] <Skudd> greetings and spitulations!
[03:07] <svmaris> well, hello Skudd
[03:07] <Skudd> i've got a somewhat interesting question for y'all
[03:07] <ictyl> is it possible to debootstrap a breezy install, or do I need to install hoary and then upgrade?
[03:08] <Strife> how do I enable acpid at startup?
[03:08] <Skudd> actually... since i'm not really using ubuntu, i'm going to ask on #slackware
[03:09] <svmaris> Strife, it should already be enabled
[03:09] <dumbledore> um yeah, so why cant i change my screen resolution... im guessing its using the wrong video adapter, is there a gui thing to change that or do i change it in xfree86 config files directly
[03:10] <svmaris> dumbledore, there's a Screen Resolution in your Preferences-menu iirc
[03:10] <dumbledore> yeah, there's only one resolution to pick from
[03:10] <_ron> heyy. My sound is not working at all. I have done everything on ubuntuguide.org that relates. I have also installed alsa-source.... Ideas?
[03:10] <nickrud> dumbledore, paste the output of grep Default /var/log/Xorg.0.log to #flood
[03:10] <svmaris> dumbledore, in that case, yes, change your xorg.conf
[03:10] <Strife> hmm
[03:10] <toby_> do i have to enable PCMCIA support in Linux ?
[03:10] <anto9us> dumbledore: you preset your resolutions in the config file and then select them using system | preferences | screen resolution
[03:10] <Strife> I'm not sure if it actually was or not, but I would've thought so... ok
[03:10] <dumbledore> k @ svmaris
[03:12] <revelater> what do i do with a .bin file?
[03:12] <goldfish> run it
[03:12] <svmaris> revelater, depends on what it really is
[03:12] <svmaris> revelater, is it a cd-image?
[03:12] <revelater> a .bin file.....
[03:12] <spinifex> bin is for binary
[03:12] <revelater> its the java runtime enviroment...
[03:12] <svmaris> revelater, or a binary executable?
[03:13] <svmaris> revelater, chmod +x <filename> and ./<filename> if you trust it
[03:13] <revelater> should be a bin executable
[03:13] <nickrud> revelater, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java method three is best
[03:13] <JDahl> I installed Samba, shared a folder using System->Admin->Shared Folders and made it browsable, and I can see my linux box from a windows machine, but I am prompted for both username and passwd (which seems to be ignored). I tried looking at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba, but I there is nothing about Windows Network in my Network Settings... any suggestions?
[03:15] <dumbledore> um under my xorg.conf theres 800x600 resolutions defined under "screen", but it only goes up to 640x480 on the screen res thingy
[03:16] <TrendKill> has anyone ever compiled gcc under ubuntu amd 64?
[03:16] <nickrud> dumbledore, grep Default /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you what res's X says it can do
[03:16] <spinifex> my friend has
[03:17] <Strife> has anyone had any luck getting ACPI suspend to work with Dell laptops?
[03:17] <_ron> my /lib/cpp is apparently "insane" ... help?
[03:17] <moj0rising> does anyone here know of a good place to get exponent information?
[03:17] <moj0rising> I am stuck on a couple things and can't find what I need anywhere.
[03:17] <TrendKill> spinifex, do you know if he used some special way to do it?
[03:17] <Chambers`> anyone else here use privoxy?  I keep getting an error when trying to edit the files
[03:17] <svmaris> Strife, according to http://www.rtr.ca/dell_i9300/ it works just fine. At least on the inspiron 9300
[03:18] <Chambers`> Privoxy Configuration access denied
[03:18] <spinifex> TrendKill: I can give you his aim name.  He's messed with a lot of stuff on his 64 bit system
[03:18] <dumbledore> it says default res is 640x480
[03:18] <Chambers`> i installed through syanptic
[03:18] <TrendKill> spinifex, thats fine...
[03:19] <nickrud> dumbledore, do you have an option HorizSync under monitor in xorg.conf
[03:19] <Strife> svmaris: not exactly the model I have (Inspiron 6000), but I'll take a look... thanks
[03:20] <svmaris> Strife, apart from the screen, I think the 6000 is quite similar to the 9300 (which is the model I have)
[03:20] <Strife> yes, as far as I can tell that's true, but unfortunately it's a screen issue I'm having ;)
[03:20] <rommer> is there a macromedia flash alternative for linux?
[03:20] <Strife> svmaris: the problem is, I can suspend, but when I try to turn it back on, I just get a completely black screen
[03:21] <svmaris> rommer, there's even a macromedia flash for linux
[03:21] <rommer> svmaris: ah ok didnt know
[03:21] <svmaris> Strife, I wouldn't know how to fix it... I thought it wouldn't work at all so I didn't even try it... but I'm going to, tomorrow ;)
[03:21] <fallstorm> Unless he means the program used to create movies
[03:21] <Strife> svmaris: good luck
[03:21] <svmaris> rommer, apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[03:21] <svmaris> Strife, thanks ;)
[03:22] <Laforge> Ok how do login as root without being in terminal?
[03:22] <rommer> svmaris: not the player, the program that makes the animations
[03:22] <dumbledore> okies, the exact output of that command was: (==) ServerLayout "Default Layout"
[03:22] <dumbledore> (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0)
[03:22] <svmaris> rommer, aaaaah .. in that case: nope
[03:22] <dumbledore> (==) CHIPS(0): Default visual is TrueColor
[03:22] <dumbledore> (**) CHIPS(0):  Default mode "640x480": 25.2 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 60.0 Hz
[03:22] <Laforge> Example:  I want ot move some files but i can't because i don't have permission
[03:22] <nickrud> dumbledore, I kinda gathered that :)
[03:23] <nickrud> dumbledore, you probably need to give xorg a better definition of your monitor, and horizsync is part of that
[03:23] <dumbledore> ic
[03:23] <anto9us> Laforge: if it helps you can run nautilus from a terminal as root
[03:25] <dumbledore> yeah, um, "generic monitor"?
[03:25] <Laforge> nautilus?
[03:25] <svmaris> Laforge, nautilus is the gnome file manager
[03:26] <Jormundgand> I'm not a huge fan of Nautilus. It doesn't much appeal to me. I prefer a UI like Thunar's.
[03:26] <Chambers`> what's the package name for java installation?
[03:26] <dumbledore> i haven't got a clue what monitor i have ;P it's a laptop
 how can I change default document root in apache2.conf ?
[03:27] <Laforge> how do i run nautilus?
[03:27] <nickrud> dumbledore, the manufacturer's site probably has the sync and refresh on it
[03:27] <Chambers`> Laforge, type nautilus
[03:27] <dumbledore> heh, i doubt it, the manufacturer doesn't support it any more
[03:27] <anto9us> Laforge: type sudo nautilus
[03:28] <anto9us> Laforge: that will give you root access to your files, be careful ;)
[03:28] <Strife> hmm
[03:28] <Strife> I wonder if I manually compile the kernel if that could help solve my power management issues...
[03:28] <nickrud> dumbledore, try google <modelname> xorg HorizSync, you might get lucky :)
[03:28] <Strife> I'm really at a loss as to what's wrong though :(
[03:28] <bob2> ali4728: by editing it
[03:28] <revelater> sun-j2re1.5:
[03:28] <revelater>  Depends: sun-j2re1.5debian  but it is not installable
[03:28] <revelater> i get that error when i try to install java through synaptic
[03:29] <svmaris> Strife, unless you patch it, I don't think it will ... the default ubuntu kernel has almost everything enabled by default
Donno wich line determines doc root
[03:29] <anto9us> Strife: probably not, as I understand it ubuntu does everything with modules
[03:29] <Chambers`> revelater, ok thanks
[03:29] <revelater> ?
[03:29] <Laforge> where is the mysql folder
[03:29] <Strife> yes, exactly... I just wonder if there's some weird configuration problem that's making my screen go black on resume...
[03:29] <spinifex> yo, sound question.  I'm trying to watch a swf on hoary, but I don't hear anything.  What do I do?
[03:30] <bob2> ali4728: come on dude...you should at the very least "grep -r var/www /etc/apache2", and find you have to edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default
[03:30] <svmaris> Strife, do you have the ATI or the NVIDIA videocard?
[03:30] <Chambers`> revelater, my java is installing just fine, add the back repositories to your sources
[03:30] <revelater> spinifex: turn up the volume?
[03:30] <bob2> spinifex: get a better sound card or run firefox under esddsp
[03:30] <spinifex> the volume is at max
 thanks
[03:30] <revelater> Chambers`: back reposiories?
[03:30] <anto9us> Strife: do you have fglrx drivers, that broke my resume after suspend, no fix that I can find. It's a trade-off at the moment
[03:30] <Strife> svmaris: ATI
[03:30] <spinifex> I was able to get the sound to work in an earlier version of hoary by killing esd I believe
[03:30] <Strife> anto9us: no, I haven't added the fglrx drivers yet
[03:30] <] BreliC[> off-topic question: does anyone here have a copy of Virgil's Aeneid handy?
[03:30] <spinifex> what is esddsp?
[03:30] <Chambers`> hold on, let me get that link
[03:31] <andrewski> so i reinstalled ubuntu and now all my fonts are 'thin'; i checked my AA/hinting settings and they're fine.  what could be causing that?
[03:31] <svmaris> Strife, I specificly chose the nvidia-card, because I always had problems with the fglrx drivers
[03:31] <revelater> spinifex: kill it and find out :P
[03:31] <spinifex> it didn't change anything
[03:31] <Chambers`> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:31] <Chambers`> go there
[03:31] <andrewski> ] BreliC[: you could probably read it online.
[03:31] <Chambers`> add that repository
[03:31] <revelater> i think i have all of those though
[03:31] <Chambers`> apt-get update
[03:31] <mainframe23> Anyone know whats going on if i'm getting a 'buffer i/o error on device hda, logical block _______' ?
[03:32] <Strife> svmaris: (A) Much too late now :) (B) Just using the ati driver right now (C) I get a black screen even in a console (i.e., CTRL+ALT+F1 still remains black)
[03:32] <Chambers`> then try again
[03:32] <dumbledore> nickrud: nope there's squat... what's that derived from, something in the bios?
[03:32] <mainframe23> If it might have to do with the fact that I have another Hd in the computer?
[03:32] <] BreliC[> andrewski, yeah, i know.  but i have my own copy, problem is it doesn't have line numbers and i need to find a certain line number.  the online ones don't seem to have line numbers either
[03:32] <svmaris> Strife, the only time I had suspend working on a laptop with linux was with my powerbook. After that I just didn't bother with it anymore
[03:33] <] BreliC[> just thought i'd check in here because, hey, it's the linux community after all, and gosh darnit, we're helpful ;)
[03:33] <daren> Hello all. I have a question about migration to Ubuntu.
[03:33] <Strife> see, the problem is really relatively simple: The screen doesn't come back on
[03:33] <forester> Wow, ubuntu comes with twisted.
[03:33] <nickrud> dumbledore, no.. it has to do with how fast the monitor can draw, how small the dots are, and X won't do high res without know that
[03:33] <Strife> it's not like a black but slightly lit screen, it's a black because it's off screen
[03:34] <forester> I find that odd considering what it doesn
[03:34] <forester> I find that odd considering what it doesn't come with. :p
[03:34] <dumbledore> hm dunno, i had red hat 9 on it before and it did higher res... :(
[03:34] <spinifex> ah here we go.  Killing esd didn't immediately solve it, but launching firefox while esd was not running did
[03:34] <svmaris> Strife, doing powermanagement on a laptop is _really_ hard, because all the drivers have to co-operate ... it has always been weak in linux
[03:35] <spinifex> why is there still this sound problem?
[03:35] <Strife> svmaris: indeed
[03:35] <revelater> what does this mean?:
[03:35] <revelater> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[03:35] <svmaris> Strife, and there are a _lot_ of broken ACPI-implementations out there
[03:35] <Strife> although I'm trying one last thing I've found on the forums thus far... apparently vga=771 doesn't play nice
[03:35] <_4strO|zZZzz> mIRC v6.14 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[03:35] <forester> achoo
[03:35] <svmaris> revelater: it means excactly what it says ;)
[03:35] <onekill> i am trying to get the man pages for the c function exec and it can not find them
[03:35] <anto9us> forester: I was impressed with the zope packages, especially zpsycopgda interface to postgresql, so easy
[03:35] <Strife> oh so while I'm at it... why does the "Configuring network interfaces" part of bootup take so long?
[03:35] <revelater> svmaris: what does it say?
[03:36] <svmaris> Strife, because it does a DHCP request, which times out after a while when no DHCP is available
[03:36] <kvidell> Strife: Gnomes.
[03:36] <kvidell> Evil lawn gnomes >.>
[03:36] <Jormundgand> I prefer kvidell's explanation.
[03:36] <onekill> do I have to install other man pages or are they there
[03:36] <svmaris> revelater, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[03:36] <forester> You know what's weird about this..
[03:36] <Strife> kvidell: haha
[03:36] <forester> All the irssi clients were near the end of the list, as if they are collectively slower to respond.
[03:37] <Strife> svmaris: well, I have two net interfaces, only one of which is hooked up, so you'd think that if it didn't find anything on the other one, but did on one, it would just move on
[03:37] <Strife> oh well
[03:37] <dumbledore> it should just be a standard laptop monitor...
[03:37] <forester> Like maybe it uses its own event loop with a longer interval than the default xchat inherits as a GUI app.
[03:37] <juan__> hola
[03:37] <revelater> its downloading anyways...
[03:37] <kvidell> The one thing I say all day is "Gnomes".
[03:37] <kvidell> I feel so useful.
[03:37] <nickrud> dumbledore, there are many 'standard' laptop monitors :)
[03:37] <juan__> necesito ayuda
[03:37] <juan__> i need your help
[03:37] <juan__> necesito ayuda
[03:37] <dumbledore> heh, how many max out at 800x600
[03:38] <juan__> my grub is erroneous
[03:38] <nickrud> old ones ;)
[03:38] <Biff> forester: well, it just means irssi is slower to find out what it should write as a response
[03:38] <juan__> bazzi
[03:38] <juan__> hola
[03:38] <juan__> amigos
[03:38] <Biff> i guess
[03:38] <juan__> ayudenme
[03:38] <svmaris> Strife, well .. even if one of the nic's was not connected during the install, you'd still may want to configure it... the network settings are not only for the install, but for the system configuration aswell
[03:38] <forester> Biff: Hahah
[03:38] <juan__> helpme my friends
[03:38] <svmaris> Strife, but yes .. it should not try to dhcp it without a network cable in it ;)
[03:38] <forester> Biff: That sort of slowness is not evident across the net.
[03:38] <nickrud> dumbledore, expand the google search some, maybe <model> horizontal , you need to a bit more careful of the info, though
[03:38] <daren> I'm using Debian Sarge and would like to move to ubuntu. Can I do this by just adding ubuntu's repositories to my sources.list and apt-getting appropriate files?
[03:38] <Strife> svmaris: right, the thing is I have a wired and wireless interface, and only the wired interface is in now...
[03:39] <usynic> daren: probably not.
[03:39] <dr_willis> daren,  that does not sound like a good idea at all. :(
[03:39] <daren> Dang. What's a good way to migrate all my settings?
[03:39] <kvidell> daren: That could be messy. My suggestion would be to backup critical data and give it a try... if it works, awesome, if not.. you wree gunna format anyway if you decided to move to Ubuntu.
[03:39] <kvidell> backup dotted files in your home directory is my typical "settings backup"
[03:40] <Chambers`> hmm..revelator was using marat for java..no good
[03:40] <Biff> daren: no
[03:40] <Biff> i wont work
[03:40] <Biff> it*
[03:40] <daren> k, thanks all.
[03:41] <svmaris> I'm off .. bye
[03:42] <CruJones> hello guys
[03:42] <slimb> howdy
[03:42] <Chambers`> man this stinks putting all these mp3's back ito my ipod :(
[03:42] <CruJones> Im new to Ubuntu
[03:42] <Chambers`> stupid ipod decided to lose its database :(
[03:42] <CruJones> and am wondering how to change the screen res
[03:42] <anto9us> CruJones: welcome to ubuntu
[03:42] <slimb> sure, blame it on the IPOD!!!
[03:42] <spinifex> bubbye
[03:43] <Chambers`> but i'm loving gtkpod :)
[03:43] <CruJones> it was stuck at 800x640
[03:43] <CruJones> but i dotn' know how go back to reconfigure it
[03:43] <slimb> system -> preferences -> screen res
[03:43] <CruJones> yeah i know that
[03:43] <CruJones> but i i get some wavy lines when apps are loading
[03:44] <Strife> check xorg.conf
[03:44] <Chambers`> slimb, actually it was itunes that did it.  I needed to rename my iPod so had to install itunes to do it, then when I ran iTunes it said it needed to fix the database and after 2 mins of fixing it it wiped it all out :(
[03:44] <Strife> sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:44] <Laforge> What is the default MySQL folder?
[03:44] <Laforge> Where is it actually
[03:44] <CruJones> thanks strife
[03:44] <anto9us> Laforge: type locate mysql
[03:44] <ben_> what is sudu is there a manual on it? I know su to root
[03:45] <ben_> sudo
[03:45] <Chambers`> su = switch user (to root)
[03:45] <Chambers`> i think
[03:45] <Chambers`> sudo = super user do
[03:45] <forester> Super User DO
[03:45] <Strife> su <username> switches to <username>
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> substitue user
[03:45] <ben_> ok thankx
[03:45] <Anubis> thats the first thing I got rid of
[03:45] <Strife> su without a username switches to root
[03:45] <Anubis> sudo
[03:45] <Chambers`> so it switches to root and executes the command
[03:45] <Anubis> no
[03:46] <Anubis> su
[03:46] <Anubis> passwaord
[03:46] <Anubis> then you get root prompt
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> er, not on ubuntu
[03:46] <slimb> strife you *should* also be able to sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it *should* reset everything for you if you want to go that route
[03:46] <forester> sudo exists for a reason
[03:46] <Anubis> er yeah
[03:46] <forester> not a bad reason
[03:46] <Chambers`> sudo is awesome
[03:46] <Anubis> course not
[03:46] <Strife> slimb: indeed
[03:46] <Anubis> but its a pain for those who never had to use it
[03:46] <toxicfume> wow
[03:46] <forester> yes, i hope many of us have used su...
[03:46] <toxicfume> ubuntu is really messing up on my laptop
[03:46] <Strife> slimb: I come from the hardcore days when you edited everything by hand
[03:47] <slimb> as do i
[03:47] <Strife> heh
[03:47] <slimb> im still getting used to any type of GUI
[03:47] <slimb> :)
[03:47] <slimb> still drives me nuts
[03:47] <toxicfume> I just installed ubuntu..and now after comppleteing the installation, i can't see anything on the monitor
[03:47] <Strife> yeah I'm still new to this whole "automation" thing
[03:47] <forester> What is the apache package name?
[03:47] <ben_> Icheers
[03:47] <slimb> at any point in time while following a FAQ did you back up xorg.conf?  :)  just move the old copy back :)
[03:47] <linforcer> theres a steerinwheel comin out my pants
[03:47] <Strife> forester: apache2
[03:47] <linforcer> its drivin me nuts
[03:47] <forester> And apache1's name?
[03:47] <Chambers`> i came from the land of kde, loving gnome..now I was gnome to get better :)
[03:47] <slimb> i've never touched KDE - gnome is ok - but seems a bit too memory hoggish to me
[03:48] <CruJones> Can someone help me get to the configuration of the screen resolution, where it automatically asks you questions?
[03:48] <Strife> forester: apache?
[03:48] <slimb> im thinking im gonna try xfce soon
[03:48] <forester> No
[03:48] <Strife> forester: apt-cache search apache
[03:48] <fishynet> toxicfume: type ctrl+alt+f1
[03:48] <Chambers`> slimb, you'd absolutely hate kde then...even slower
[03:48] <Strife> slimb: xfce is nice
[03:48] <toxicfume> fishynet: okay i see the login prompt now...whatdo i do?
[03:48] <slimb> then again - consoles are just sooooo fast :)
[03:48] <forester> You know.
[03:48] <Boohbah> the land of kde may be fun to visit, but you don't want to live there
[03:48] <Strife> slimb: I really like GNOME, though... just never liked KDE much
[03:48] <flodine> anyone on a 64bit chip
[03:48] <forester> A batrillion web hosts, very fancy ones, still use apache 1.3
[03:49] <forester> I have to mirror their environment for development.
[03:49] <forester> So where is apache 1.3?
[03:49] <Strife> forester: the package name is 'apache', but it's not in the default ubuntu repositories
[03:49] <Boohbah> /usr/portage/net-www/apache/apache-1.3.33-r4.ebuild
[03:49] <Strife> forester: it's either in universe or multiverse
[03:49] <forester> So I edit apt sources
[03:49] <Strife> Boohbah: wrong distro
[03:50] <Strife> :P
[03:50] <Boohbah> oops, this is ubuntu ;)
[03:50] <forester> Good old debian style
[03:50] <Strife> forester: aptitude->Setting->Repositories->Add
[03:50] <dumbledore> umm crap, i can't save xorg.conf changes anyway
[03:50] <forester> I would rather go to websites, download setup exe's and run them than edit apt sources and guess package names.
[03:50] <Strife> make sure the universe one is added
[03:50] <Strife> forester: if you just run aptitude, all is well
[03:50] <forester> Then I have to go back into X
[03:51] <Strife> touche
[03:51] <slimb> apache is under WorldWideWeb (universe) in my synaptic
[03:51] <dumbledore> something about readonly
[03:51] <Strife> forester: the universe repositories are commented out, just uncomment them :P
[03:51] <forester> Where?
[03:51] <anto9us> dumbledore: save to your ~ and sudo cp it
[03:51] <slimb> as long as your univ. repos are uncommented you can apt-get it
[03:51] <forester> I forgot.
[03:51] <Strife> /etc/apt/source.list
[03:51] <dumbledore> @ nickrud
[03:52] <Strife> I think I kinda like sid for the desktop...
[03:52] <slimb> my desktop is the only place im running this.
[03:52] <Strife> but ubuntu is great for the laptop
[03:52] <slimb> its a bit comfortable
[03:52] <nickrud> dumbledore, yeah,
[03:52] <dumbledore> um i dunno the root pw
[03:52] <slimb> now to find my WoW CD and see if I can't get cedega and p2p runnin :)
[03:52] <Strife> dumbledore: there isn't one... just use sudo
[03:52] <slimb> once im done with this nethack game :)
[03:52] <Strife> slimb: if you do, let me know
[03:52] <nickrud> dumbledore, sudo gedit xorg.conf, and use your own password
[03:52] <forester> What are the hoary-securitive sites?
[03:53] <Chambers`> is there a way I can rip to mp3?  Sound juicer doesn't give that option
[03:53] <forester> security rather
[03:53] <slimb> problem is we just moved into the house - everything is boxed!!! ... grr
[03:53] <Strife> forester: my guess: security updates
[03:53] <ivan> grip Chambers`
[03:53] <Chambers`> and Ipod doesn't play weel with ogg
[03:53] <Chambers`> thanks ivan
[03:53] <dumbledore> sudo what
[03:53] <ivan> sudo command to run as root
[03:53] <ivan> sudo whoami
[03:53] <dumbledore> oh
[03:53] <nickrud> forester, deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse
[03:53] <slimb> by default there is no root user ... so everything is done as sudo <command>
[03:54] <nickrud> a lttle optomistic, there :)
[03:54] <ivan> or you can sudo su if you want a root shell
[03:54] <slimb> yeah
[03:54] <slimb> or you can create a root user :)
[03:54] <ivan> not that you need one
[03:54] <slimb> nahh
[03:54] <forester> got it goin now
[03:54] <ivan> make a root password, user's already there
[03:54] <slimb> although its funny to see the admins at my ISP always logged into the boxes as root instead of using su or sudo
[03:55] <forester> slimb: Yeah that's funny.
[03:55] <CruJones> ok so i pressed ctr alt f1
[03:55] <CruJones> how do i get out of that screen
[03:55] <slimb> they're some real bright dudes - but they're determined to be root all of the time apparently
[03:55] <forester> I laugh almost as hard when I see someone drive around without a seat belt or talkin on their phone, I just can't control myself.
[03:55] <forester> hahahahahahahaha
[03:56] <anto9us> CruJones: ctrl alt f7 to get back to the first x instance
[03:56] <CruJones> thanks Anto9us
[03:57] <CruJones> how do i install the audio codecs? i a nub
[03:57] <Strife> anyone know much about gpg?
[03:58] <mattlins> When I install packages with Synaptic Package Manager, where does it put them?  How do I run them?
[03:58] <Strife> particularly, I want to export my private keys from one computer so I can install them on the other
[03:58] <nova> any one know if theres drivers out there for the mx700 cordless mouse for ubuntu?
[03:58] <Chambers`> ivan, I installed lame and i set it in grip for my encoder but i get the error invalid encoder executable, any ideas?
[03:58] <forester> What's the next method by which developers will be allowed to destroy someone's work, recreating it as their own, even blatantly inverting the acronym, with the support of millions?
[03:58] <Anubis> nova, try google
[03:58] <Strife> nova: shouldn't need any special drivers... you want the extra buttons working, I presume?
[03:59] <nova> yeh i do
[03:59] <nova> i miss my foward and back buttons heh
[03:59] <nickrud> mattlins, the deb goes in /var/cache/apt/archives, the program gets scattered around /usr, and dpkg -L | grep bin will tell you the command
[03:59] <Strife> nova: let me see if I can find a page about it I found once
[03:59] <forester> I want to be on the lookout for it.
[03:59] <Anubis> http://www.google.com/linux
[03:59] <Strife> http://www.petebevin.com/archives/2004/09/16/linux_mx700_mouse_and_thumb_buttons.html
[03:59] <anto9us> mattlins: within synaptic you can look at the properties for an installed package for lots of info
[04:00] <forester> Last time I was big into Linux over 5 years ago people were doing the same thing.
[04:00] <ivan> Chambers`, do you have the right path to the executable
[04:00] <forester> Making their mouse work, or their sound work...
[04:00] <forester> etc.
[04:00] <djtansey> anyone here want to help me with data recovery? the hoary liveCD crashed and burned on my while I was doing a defrag of an external ext3 device (i know -- it was unneccessary. i'm regretting it now). i've run e2fsck -v -y /dev/sda1. after a million fixes it now seems to loop Inode 8 has illegal block(s).  Clear? yes Illegal block #673, and does about block #s. every time it cycles it does the next ten numbers.. i tried re-runn
[04:00] <djtansey> ing defrag after it failed, but it said " Invalid zone number." still says that. help?
[04:00] <Chambers`> ivan: I just put in 'lame'
[04:00] <forester> How do I ctrl-alt back to console, or X..
[04:00] <forester> etc.
[04:00] <dumbledore> haha i made up some numbers and it worked
[04:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i tell esd that i want it to use only my onboard audio, as i'll have jack using the other soundcard?
[04:00] <dumbledore> i give it 10 minutes until it blows up ;P
[04:00] <forester> Anyone gonna work on any of this any time soon?
[04:01] <nickrud> dumbledore, :)
[04:01] <Lafitte-> NOTE    breezy  broke my system
[04:01] <forester> De-allocate some MS bashing time and you won't need to bash MS cuz Linux will actually start getting better instead.
[04:01] <slimb> NOTE breezy is going to break systems
[04:01] <Chambers`> nm, got it :)
[04:01] <Lafitte-> for everyone  i just installed again  heheh
[04:01] <dumbledore> btw how come root cant login from startup screen?
[04:01] <mainframe23> Can anyone help me with this?: I just installed ubuntu and tried to run that update thing as best I could, and now im at a text screen w/ the @buntu mail area and all I want to do is get to the GUI. Anyone know what to type?
[04:01] <Chambers`> had to put in the whole path
[04:01] <slimb> it even says it will on the forums :)
[04:01] <kvidell> brb
[04:01] <Chambers`> thanks ivan!
[04:01] <Amaranth> forester: What are you talking about?
[04:01] <forester> slimb: And topic
[04:01] <ivan> :)
[04:01] <slimb> true forester
[04:01] <Lafitte-> stupid they have the upgrade on ubuntuguide.org
[04:02] <Amaranth> forester: "What's the next method by which developers will be allowed to destroy someone's work, recreating it as their own, even blatantly inverting the acronym, with the support of millions?"
[04:02] <Amaranth> Lafitte-: ubuntuguide.org is _unofficial_ and _not supported_
[04:02] <forester> It means what it says.
[04:02] <slimb> ubuntuguide == someone's attempt at helping and entirely unofficial
[04:02] <Gnome> goodmoring everyone:)
[04:02] <forester> What is the next method. I want to be on the lookout for it.
[04:02] <ghpolo> breezy last upgrade took out x-window-system-core, right ?
[04:02] <slimb> it's wonderful thats for sure
[04:03] <slimb> i love ubuntuguide - but i try to cross reference it with the forums.  done me well so far
[04:03] <Amaranth> forester: Examples? You mean like xvid?
[04:03] <Strife> ubuntuguide is nice to get you started, but it's not very in depth
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> I believe he was referring to GPG
[04:03] <Strife> huh?
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> because obviously it's a commie plot to destroy PGP
[04:03] <Lafitte-> now to setup again
[04:03] <slimb> gosh i suck at nethack :\
[04:04] <Strife> gpg pwns
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> anyway, it's totally offtopic
[04:04] <djtansey> no one can help with ext3 data recovery?
[04:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i tell esd that i want it to use only my onboard audio, as i'll have jack using the other soundcard?
[04:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is the state of gpg since sha1 has been "broken"?
[04:05] <anto9us> HrdwrBoB: you talk about a commie plot like it's bad thing :)
[04:05] <ivan> djtansey, what'd you do to your data
[04:05] <slimb> mmm commie plots
[04:06] <Strife> not sure
[04:06] <mebaran151> how do I get the Mplayer from Hoary on Breezy
[04:07] <mebaran151> is a backport set up yet
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> don't use breezy
[04:07] <mainframe23> anyone know where i can get an ubuntu command list?
[04:07] <mainframe23> like where on the main site
[04:07] <^thehatsrule^> topic: PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY
[04:07] <Laforge> Ok so what folder do i put .sql files form my site in?
[04:07] <mebaran151> no
[04:07] <mebaran151> sorry
[04:07] <mebaran151> that was backward
[04:07] <mebaran151> the Mplayer from Breezy on Hoary
[04:07] <^thehatsrule^> command list? just look up linux commands on google
[04:07] <mebaran151> heheh
[04:07] <djtansey> ivan: i was e2fscking my external usb disk with hoary's liveCD and decided to defrag it. for some reason the system choked while defragging -- became unresponsive for a really long time. i rebootted and tried to defrag again. got "Invalid zone number." tried to e2fsck it. got a lot of errors. after that defrag still didn't work. and the e2fsck keeps looping and says Inode 8 has illegal block(s).  Clear? yes. then does ten bloc
[04:07] <djtansey> ks. then finishes the fsck. when it starts again it get the next ten blocks. ad infinitum.
[04:07] <mebaran151> the other way doesnt make any sense
[04:08] <Shuddertrix> What's wrong with breezy?
[04:08] <mebaran151> Breezy has a broken X Configuration on my computer
[04:08] <anto9us> Laforge: #mysql may be able to help you better on that
[04:08] <mebaran151> it unregisters all the XFonts
[04:08] <mebaran151> and then refuses to start
[04:08] <Laforge> ok thanks
[04:08] <mebaran151> reinstalled Hoary
[04:09] <mebaran151> so is there a backport yet
[04:09] <colera> i can't seem to find mplayer in the repositories anyonw know where it is?
[04:09] <djtansey> ivan: any suggestions?
[04:09] <knucks> how do i check the uptime of my box?
[04:09] <colera> what do you all use to play wma files/
[04:09] <mebaran151> colera -- multiverse
[04:09] <colera> ?
[04:09] <slimb> for the font problem in breezy : theres a thread on the forum about how to temp fix it
[04:09] <slimb> lemme see if i can't find it
[04:09] <knucks> how do i check the uptime of my box?
[04:09] <colera> mebaran151: thankyou
[04:09] <mebaran151> slimb, I figured a temporary fix
[04:10] <colera> mebaran151: what do you use for wma?
[04:10] <mebaran151> the problem is that my temp fix is not very elegant
[04:10] <mebaran151> I dont
[04:10] <mebaran151> wma is hard
[04:10] <deception_inuk> knucks : uptime
[04:10] <slimb> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35143
[04:10] <mebaran151> I used mplayer for everything though
[04:10] <knucks> hah figures
[04:10] <Strife> yuck
[04:10] <darkaudit> Shuddertrix: nothing is 'wrong'... a lot of packages are transitioning, and stuff won't work for now, but this was expected
[04:10] <nova> hmm confused on this mouse stuff says to add these to lines to your .xsessionrc
[04:10] <Strife> it's all about xine
[04:10] <nova> i dont seem to have that file
[04:10] <Shuddertrix> Oh. Thanks for telling me.
[04:11] <Quest-Master> VLC rocks
[04:11] <Quest-Master> ;d
[04:11] <slimb> i haven't found any players that im entirely happy with yet
[04:11] <slimb> but then again im not a big media person and a straight port of winamp would make me happy :-\   then again im rather simple!
[04:12] <darkaudit> Shuddertrix: there were warnings posted that many packages were transitioning to a new ver of g++ and things would be *very* broken for the near future...
[04:12] <_hp_> can i tell apt-get to install just the plugin w/o mozilla-browser because i am running ff 1.0.4 which is not recognized by synaptic?
[04:12] <mebaran151> Strife, but xine wont run my divx mpeg4's
[04:12] <Shuddertrix> Wow, there's a nero port for linux! Heh.
[04:12] <mebaran151> will it
[04:12] <mebaran151> I would use it
[04:12] <Strife> mebaran151: uh... if you install the right codecs it should
[04:12] <Strife> I would think
[04:12] <mebaran151> I am on AMD64
[04:12] <mebaran151> win codecs dont work
[04:12] <Strife> well that's your problem
[04:12] <Strife> I mean
[04:12] <Strife> good thing
[04:12] <mebaran151> but I primarily use mplayer for mencoder
[04:12] <Strife> or something :)
[04:12] <mebaran151> the best encoder out there
[04:12] <forester> Stop watching videos and start writing code.
[04:13] <darkaudit> mebaran151: you can compile your own .deb of mplayer... got a page that shows how... just a sec
[04:13] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:13] <mebaran151> I dont want all the dev's cluttering my config
[04:13] <mebaran151> I did that
[04:13] <mebaran151> it is just a pain to compile everything in
[04:13] <mebaran151> but I might have to
[04:13] <darkaudit> http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html
[04:13] <slimb> i seem to be able to play fine with plugins after editing about:config for mozilla - if this is the same problem you're speaking of
[04:13] <anto9us> forester: this isn't #ubuntu-dev
[04:14] <forester> anto9us: My reply applies to all channels on the network formerly known as irc.debian.org.
[04:15] <caonex> I recently installed ubuntu and while I try to boot it, I get the following error: root (hd1,0) filesystem type unknown. Partition type 0xF. Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition. By the way, the root filesystem is a sata drive /dev/sda1 and grub told me it was hd1,0 so i do not think that can be wrong, what could it be?
[04:15] <caonex> Could it be due to a wrong device.map?
[04:15] <dr_willis> hmm.
[04:16] <darkaudit> forester: and this sure as hell isn't #debian
[04:16] <dr_willis> i was thinkign sata drives showedd up as scsi devices
[04:16] <forester> darkaudit: I sure as hell never said it was.
[04:16] <anto9us> forester: it's nice to see it's so much more than that now :)
[04:16] <crimsun> darkaudit: / forester: please keep it civil, thanks.
[04:16] <forester> hell != civil
[04:16] <YiGiT-> ubuntu :)
[04:16] <_hp_> hell is civil because of all they lawyers they got in there
[04:16] <forester> But.. civil is hell..
[04:17] <nova> brb
[04:17] <darkaudit> the #ubuntu channels are orders of magnitude friendlier than any #debian channel I've ever been in... I'd like to see it stay that way :)
[04:18] <Shuddertrix> Yes, I'd like to see it stay that way also..
[04:18] <dr_willis> o_0
[04:18] <_hp_> it is a delicate balance between total newbies and total hardcore geeks
[04:18] <dr_willis> hmm. anyone had the problem where firefox core dumps when you try to print a page?
[04:19] <forester> Holy lord..
[04:19] <forester> This is unbelievable.
[04:19] <forester> If I ab -n 1000 http://127.0.0.1/hello.html from that machine I get 300 pages per second. If I do that from another LAN machine I get 600..
[04:19] <forester> So, I guess the server is ok... but ab, the console, or something is utterly jacked.
[04:20] <forester> On that machine.
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> 300? I get about 8000
[04:20] <KarlosII> http://ipodder.sourceforge.net/index.php
[04:20] <forester> I get about 6000 on my big box.
[04:20] <KarlosII> anyone have any luck?
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> (though that's on an opteron 250)
[04:21] <forester> So why is this happening?
[04:21] <ShadowRage> how do I reconfigure grub?
[04:21] <forester> darkaudit: With popularity comes unfriendliness. #debian and irc.debian.org was once even more friendly than this channel is now.
[04:22] <forester> I want to see Apache blow away everything else.
[04:22] <forester> And MySQL..
[04:22] <forester> It's not working out.
[04:22] <anto9us> forester: I use zope and postgresql
[04:22] <forester> I use twisted and oracle
[04:23] <forester> But that's not what I am talking about is it
[04:23] <^thehatsrule^> irc.debian.org <- that just links to freenode eh?
[04:23] <anto9us> forester: could your issue be one of network topology?
[04:24] <forester> irc.debian.org became irc.openprojects.net became freenode.
[04:24] <forester> anto9us: The localhost is slower.
[04:24] <forester> anto9us: Access that which is localhost from non-localhost, and it is faster.
[04:24] <forester> That is the major dilemma.
[04:25] <anto9us> forester: maybe a cache of firewall issue then?
[04:25] <anto9us> s/of/or
[04:25] <forester> How?
[04:25] <forester> It's firewalling connections from self?
[04:25] <forester> Or not caching connections from self.
[04:25] <ShadowRage> how do I reconfigure grub?
[04:25] <forester> What cache does ubuntu install with apache?
[04:25] <forester> What firewall?
[04:25] <dr_willis> ShadowRage,  reconfigure in what way?
[04:26] <forester> It's faster to go through firewall?
[04:26] <anto9us> forester: I don't use apache and have a hardware firewall, I don't know, sorry
[04:26] <forester> I am just posing these questions to make sure your guesses are in fact ridiculous.
[04:26] <justin> forester: um, ab itself needs CPU to run
[04:26] <forester> :p
[04:26] <Gnome> ShadowRage, grub --help
[04:26] <Gnome> there you can find it:)
[04:26] <forester> justin: Nice try, but I can run it from the same machine in a virtual host and get the same fast result.
[04:26] <forester> virtual machine that is.
[04:27] <forester> ie. ab -n 1000 http://192.168.182.128/hello.html
[04:27] <forester> ^-- 600 pps
[04:27] <justin> you should also be using -c and -k
[04:27] <forester> Whatever.
[04:27] <anto9us> forester: is that via a tun?
[04:27] <forester> -c does jack shit
[04:27] <forester> Same pps.
[04:27] <forester> Greater avg latency for each
[04:27] <forester> 2ms becomes 4.
[04:27] <forester> Doesn't affect time.
[04:27] <runelind> hrm, I'm konqueror to map network drives in kubuntu, but when I open files with e.g mplayer, it insists on copying them locally - any way to get around that?
[04:28] <forester> I shouldn't be changing my ab commandline.
[04:28] <forester> This should not be happening.
[04:28] <forester> It is ODD.
[04:28] <justin> runelind: because thats not actually mounting the share
[04:28] <KarlosII> anyone have any luck installing ipodder,http://ipodder.sourceforge.net/index.php ??
[04:28] <runelind> justin: and mplayer doesn't support smb:// paths?
[04:29] <justin> runelind: it might. just mount the share for real if you are going to actually be doign something useful with the files on it
[04:29] <runelind> is there a way to map the shares without the clumsy mount -t smbfs -o command?
[04:29] <ShadowRage> Gnome: my question is.. I have win98 on a second HDD, how do I configure grub for that?
[04:29] <forester> Goin back to freebsd for a bit.
[04:29] <mattlins> Does ubuntu hava a GUI ftp client preinstalled?  If not what do you reccomend?
[04:29] <Tritis> runelind: Places -> Connect to server  then choose windows share.
[04:29] <justin> runelind: it's not clumsy, and no
[04:30] <anto9us> runelind: webmin's samba module is quite good
[04:30] <deception_inuk> mattlins : sudo apt-get install gftp
[04:30] <mattlins> thanks
[04:30] <Strife> I prefer swat for samba configuration
[04:30] <deception_inuk> yw :)
[04:30] <justin> wtf does samba have to do with smbfs?
[04:30] <Strife> it's a little more straightforward
[04:30] <ShadowRage> mattis: or, connect to server under the places menu
[04:30] <runelind> I really like mount_smbfs available in freebsd
[04:30] <_hp_> justin: one cannot be without the other
[04:31] <ShadowRage> mattis: and choose ftp server
[04:31] <ShadowRage> mattis: it makes it as if the ftp server is a part of your setup, more effective imho
[04:31] <justin> _hp_: wrong, smbfs has little to do with samba
[04:32] <_hp_> justin: i disagree
[04:33] <anto9us> justin: I do too, I think
[04:34] <anto9us> yep, I do
[04:34] <mattlins> how do I make a link to a bin file in /usr/bin from my desktop?
[04:34] <KarlosII> mattis, gftp
[04:34] <Laforge> at #mysql they told me to use this bash promt> mysql [option]  < file.sql
[04:35] <Laforge> i don't get it
[04:35] <runelind> anto9us: I'm installing webmin-samba right now
[04:35] <bob2> Laforge: what don't you get?
[04:36] <Laforge> what to i put in the terminal bob2
[04:36] <thr1ce> hey guys
[04:36] <bob2> they told you want to put there
[04:36] <bob2> mysql < file.sql
[04:36] <Tritis> mattlins, Create Launcher is probably what you need.
[04:36] <runelind> is there a wiki entry for webmin-samba?
[04:36] <anto9us> Laforge: your running your script by redirecting input to mysql from a file
[04:37] <Gnome> ShadowRage, http://www.linuxmigration.com/quickref/kernel/grub.html
[04:37] <Laforge> Ok but what do fill for option, the path file?
[04:37] <Gnome> there you can find howto configure grub
[04:37] <bob2> Laforge: no
[04:37] <anto9us> Laforge: no, any options that you would need for starting mysql
[04:37] <ben_> new to Debian: how do I install a .deb package? I know tar, rpm, gz
[04:38] <bob2> bear in mind you're not starting the mysql server
[04:38] <bob2> this is a client program that talks to the existing running server
[04:38] <deception_inuk> ben_ : dpkg -i package.deb
[04:38] <ShadowRage> Gnome: hd1,0 is hdb1, right?
[04:38] <bob2> ben_: sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[04:38] <mattlins> Tritis: What, Where, How? :)
[04:38] <bob2> ben_: but in practice you shouldn't have to ever do that
[04:38] <deception_inuk> damn forgot the sudo ;)
[04:38] <Laforge> so just input that whole thing without bash and promt?
[04:39] <bob2> no
[04:39] <ben_> bob2: well what should I have done? I downloaded a packege from a webpage
[04:39] <bob2> 12:36:23 @         bob2 | mysql < file.sql
[04:39] <bob2> ben_: what is the package?
[04:39] <Tritis> mattlins, Sorry, heh If you are using gnome right click on the desktop and click Create Launcher.  and under command put the path to the file in /usr/bin
[04:39] <damack> how can i use my old user config files on a fresh install?
[04:39] <mattlins> Tritis: Thanks
[04:39] <Gnome> ShadowRage, in grub yes I think
[04:39] <ben_> bob2: libxext-dev_4*
[04:40] <bob2> damack: back up /home before reinstalling
[04:40] <anto9us> runelind: there should be installed documentation, it's in the top right corner of the webmin-samba page
[04:40] <damack> bob2: /home is on a separate partition
[04:40] <ablyss> zip -ry home.zip $HOME/
[04:40] <bob2> ben_: why did you download them from a website? libxext is in Ubuntu.
[04:40] <rotava> what's the trick to modifying the runlevels?
[04:40] <bob2> damack: then just don't reformat it during install
[04:40] <bob2> rotava: to do what?
[04:41] <rotava> bob2, modifying services to run on startup
[04:41] <Laforge> so bob2 do i just put "mysql [option]  < file.sql" in terminal and change file.sql?
[04:41] <thr1ce> ok...ntfs partition FINALLY to fat32...though some of my music didn't like the switch :(
[04:41] <damack> brb...
[04:41] <bob2> Laforge: no, you read what I said
[04:41] <bob2> Laforge: mtsql < file.sql
[04:41] <bob2> er, mysql
[04:41] <ben_> bob2: I tried to install ogle but it came up with an error missing file libxext*
[04:42] <bob2> rotava: just use rm then in whatever /etc/rcN.d/ you care about
[04:42] <runelind> anto9us: shouldn't I be able to connect to localhost:901?
[04:42] <bob2> ben_: ogle is also in ubuntu
[04:42] <mattlins> Where can I get cool themes for Gnome?  Mabye it's not called a theme.  I want a drastic change, not just colors.
[04:42] <rotava> bob2, thanks
[04:42] <thr1ce> gnome-look.org
[04:42] <anto9us> runelind: the default port for webmin is 100000
[04:42] <thr1ce> and yes, it is themes
[04:42] <ben_> bob2: where?
[04:42] <runelind> that's not a valid port :P
[04:42] <bob2> ben_: ogle - DVD player with support for DVD menus
[04:42] <anto9us> sorry, 10000 and https
[04:42] <bob2> ben_: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, enable the universe repository
[04:43] <Laforge> bob2 ok says bash: file.sql: No such file or directory
[04:43] <mattlins> What is GTK?
[04:43] <bob2> Laforge: you would need to tell it what the file is actually called
[04:43] <bob2> mattlins: a widget toolkit, used by gnome, amongst other things
[04:43] <Amaranth> Laforge: If you didn't know file.sql was an example maybe you'd better get someone else to admin the mysql server. :)
[04:43] <runelind> anto9us: do I have to be root?
[04:43] <runelind> erm log in as root?
[04:44] <^thehatsrule^> just use sudo
[04:44] <anto9us> runelind: login as root, yes
[04:44] <Laforge> lol i asked and bob2 said no
[04:44] <Gnome> runelind, sudo /bin/bash
[04:44] <Hackmo> night all
[04:44] <bob2> Laforge: sorry, you misread what I said
[04:44] <Laforge> lol its ok
[04:44] <Jeezis> hmm, i have this very odd error i think is associated with my wireless card
[04:44] <runelind> alright, I just did passwd root to set a root password
[04:45] <Jeezis> irq 3: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option.
[04:45] <bob2> runelind: why?
[04:45] <rotava> any suggestions for a good iptables frontend?
[04:45] <ben_> bob2: thanx
[04:45] <anto9us> runelind: you can add none root users to webmin and set permissions in the webmin module
[04:45] <runelind> so I can log into the samba webmin
[04:45] <bob2> rotava: shorewall is quite pleasant if you don't mind editing config file
[04:45] <coreymon77> hi
[04:45] <bob2> runelind: er, surely you gave webming a different password
[04:45] <runelind> how do I set the perms?  it doesnt' seem to like my root passwd
[04:46] <Laforge> does the file need to be in a certian directory or is it suppose to locate it?
[04:46] <rotava> bob2, cool, thanks again- I'll check it out
[04:46] <coreymon77> this is my friends problem this time
[04:46] <bob2> Laforge: what are you trying to do?
[04:46] <Laforge> find where to put the .sql files that i downloaded from my webserver
[04:46] <coreymon77> my friend (a new convert!) wants to try out linux
[04:47] <QMario> How do I tell Samba that I do not want to log in automatically as a guest?
[04:47] <coreymon77> but he cant get on the internet
[04:47] <bob2> Laforge: no, what are they? what are you trying to do with them?
[04:47] <coreymon77> and i dont know how to set it up
[04:47] <anto9us> sorry, passed my bedtime, night all :)
[04:47] <Gnome> coreymon77, vi /etc/networking/interfaces and vi /etc/resolv.conf :)
[04:47] <coreymon77> he has a wirekess network with a wrt5gs linksys router
[04:47] <Laforge> oh they are MySql database files, they go in mysql folder so i can access them
[04:48] <coreymon77> gnome: i dont undertsand that
[04:48] <mattlins> How do I install gnome themes?
[04:48] <bob2> Laforge: who's in charge of the mysql server?
[04:48] <Laforge> me
[04:48] <coreymon77> gnomeL i need it in simpler english
[04:48] <jaysin> can anyone tell me how to install limewire?
[04:48] <bob2> jaysin: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java, then get the tarball of limewire
[04:48] <runelind> seems you have to log in with your root account the first time
[04:48] <zenrox> jaysin,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:48] <bob2> Laforge: then run that command whereever the files are
[04:49] <jaysin> bob:  Thanks :D
[04:49] <runelind> but it hates my root password
[04:49] <Laforge> ok so how do i change the folder?
[04:49] <coreymon77> jaysin: www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:49] <coreymon77> it will tell you there
[04:49] <bob2> Laforge: cd /path/to/whjere/you/put/the,
[04:49] <jaysin> Thganks everyone!
[04:49] <jaysin> Thanks**
[04:50] <coreymon77> can anyone help me with this problem
[04:50] <frank_> coreymon77, is it pppoe?
[04:50] <onekill> i am trying to access a network drive and it is asking for a user name and password?
[04:50] <onekill> how can i get aroun it
[04:50] <deception_inuk> onekill: samba?
[04:50] <onekill> yes
[04:51] <Gnome> jaysin, Limewire???? if you want it eazy just apt-get install gtk-gnutella :)
[04:51] <Gnome> tis a Limewire but works without the j2re platform
[04:51] <deception_inuk> onekill: of my limited knowledge of windows, enter the username and password on the windows box that you use
[04:51] <Laforge> ok where does terminal start?
[04:51] <new2gentoo> hello ^th
[04:51] <new2gentoo> hello ^thehatsrule^
[04:51] <onekill> i did it did not work
[04:52] <mattlins> Anyone on how to install gnome themes or a link to a how to?
[04:52] <coreymon77> wireless
[04:52] <coreymon77> dhcp
[04:52] <coreymon77> linksys router
[04:52] <coreymon77> i may need a driver for this
[04:52] <coreymon77> which i have
[04:52] <biovore> onekill: use using smbmount or smb://  in knoqueror?
[04:52] <coreymon77> but how do i install it
[04:52] <thr1ce> mattis, I already told you, www.gnome-look.org
[04:52] <Gnome> mattis, apt-get install gnome-themes
[04:52] <nickrud> mattlins, there's one on art.gnome.org
[04:52] <Amaranth> mattlins: drag and drop the .tar.gz onto the theme window
[04:52] <bob2> coreymon77: first, find out what sort of card it is
[04:52] <onekill> I am trying to access a ubuntu share through windows
[04:52] <mattlins> Thanks
[04:53] <onekill> not the other way around
[04:53] <frank_> coreymon77, wireless driver... i have no idea how
[04:53] <biovore> onekill: the share server is on linux box?
[04:53] <Gnome> wireless it can be that you must input dll files:p
[04:54] <biovore> Linux (server) <-> windows (client)
[04:54] <onekill> yes I shared a mnt on ubuntu and I wanted to access it through windows
[04:54] <onekill> yes
[04:54] <coreymon77> does anyone know how to install the rt2500-1.1.0 driver
[04:54] <biovore> you have the path in smb.conf?
[04:54] <deception_inuk> onekill: have you run smbpassword?
[04:54] <Laforge> ok so i do cd /home/jordan/desktop/site/mysql keeps telling me no such file or directory
[04:55] <deception_inuk> **smbpasswd
[04:55] <onekill> no
[04:55] <deception_inuk> run smbpasswd usernamehere
[04:55] <deception_inuk> then it will ask you to enter a password for this user
[04:55] <onekill> ok going to try
[04:55] <deception_inuk> and then use those login details from the windows box
[04:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's the dpkg command for setting up xorg?
[04:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> i always forget it.
[04:56] <runelind> if I set up a root password it should let me login using that account right?
[04:56] <biovore> dpkg-reconfigure?
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> xserver-xorg
[04:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org?
[04:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> does that actually change /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[04:57] <Laforge> ok so i do cd /home/jordan/desktop/site/mysql keeps telling me no such file or directory
[04:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org <-- ??
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> xorg
[04:57] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: yes, of course
[04:57] <nickrud> BROKEN_LADDER, it does a complete rewrite
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.
[04:57] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: unless you edited it yourself without reading the comments
[04:58] <bob2> Laforge: so, it doesn't exist
[04:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> i remember getting my resolution to change when i first installed was a nightmare
[04:58] <bob2> Laforge: you called the directory something else
[04:58] <Laforge> which?
[04:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> i did xorgconfig, edited it by hand, ran dpkg-reconfigure..it was terrible.
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> laforge remeber its caps sensitive
[04:59] <MonkeyBonkey> hey
[04:59] <QMario> Hello
[04:59] <Gnome> yow MonkeyBonkey
[04:59] <MonkeyBonkey> is there anyway i can install ubuntu but none of its software
[04:59] <Laforge> thanks kamping
[04:59] <thr1ce> MonkeyBonkey, huh?
[04:59] <bob2> MonkeyBonkey: that makes no sense
[04:59] <dr_willis> 0_o
[05:00] <Gnome> lol
[05:00] <MonkeyBonkey> Welll i want a lightweight linux
[05:00] <bob2> MonkeyBonkey: what are you trying to achieve?
[05:00] <QMario> He means the core Linux.
[05:00] <bob2> MonkeyBonkey: so, you only want some of the packages then, not none of them
[05:00] <thr1ce> ubuntu is very lean when it comes to other distros
[05:00] <MonkeyBonkey> ya
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> server install
[05:00] <MonkeyBonkey> k
[05:00] <Laforge> ok wait so was mysql < laforge_php.sql meant to execute the file?
[05:00] <bob2> Laforge: no
[05:00] <MonkeyBonkey> i also want to install Xfce4
[05:00] <MonkeyBonkey> or icebox
[05:00] <thr1ce> icewm?
[05:00] <MonkeyBonkey> would i just type, get-apt icebox
[05:00] <MonkeyBonkey> or w/e
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> is there a command to see what is using the swap partition?
[05:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> one thing that has baffled me is how changing your resolution changes the "size" of the text and windows and objects on screen.  that shouldn't happen if X knows your monitor size.
[05:01] <MonkeyBonkey> ya
[05:01] <Laforge> ok well i did that and it said "ERROR 1046 at line 11: No Database Selected , bob2
[05:01] <damack> ok, i installed ubuntu today over my knoppix install.  but i can't login when the old user config files in place.
[05:01] <mattlins> How do I create a panel on my desktop.  I see some people have memory usage a calender on there desktop?
[05:01] <MonkeyBonkey> whats the best linux distro in your opinion?
[05:01] <bob2> Laforge: then you need to find someone near you who knows how to use mysql
[05:02] <thr1ce> well, seeing has you're in #ubuntu, lots of us would tend to like ubuntu believe it or not...   ;)
[05:02] <Laforge> ok well what was mysql < laforge_php.sql suppose to do?
[05:02] <MonkeyBonkey> Im installing linux on a P2 466Mhz, 64Mb Ram 8Gb hard drive, what would be the best linux distro
[05:02] <MonkeyBonkey> i want it to run really fast like vector linux but no Gnome just Icewm
[05:02] <slimb|nethack> Laforge that would've imported the laforge_php.sql file into a database
[05:02] <slimb|nethack> you didn't select a database in the first place however
[05:02] <bob2> Laforge: I have no idea, you won't tell us what you're trying to do
[05:02] <thr1ce> then run vector
[05:02] <MonkeyBonkey> ya
[05:02] <MonkeyBonkey> but thers a problem
[05:03] <Gnome> MonkeyBonkey, the best you can do is to find just a Netinstall
[05:03] <slimb|nethack> i'd suggest googling some basic mysql howtos so that you have a basic understanding of the order of operations
[05:03] <MonkeyBonkey> what
[05:03] <MonkeyBonkey> ?
[05:03] <MonkeyBonkey> netinstal
[05:03] <Laforge> bob2 i thought i did.  Ok here is what i want.  I downloaded a full backup off my site.  Now i want to host it on my Ubuntu box, so i have MySql installed and i need to move them to where they should go in the MySQL folder
[05:03] <MonkeyBonkey> has anyone tryied damn small linux
[05:03] <MonkeyBonkey> its 50 mb
[05:04] <damack> has anyone here ever switched distros w/o a complete wipe of everything?
[05:04] <mattlins> Anybody know know what I mean by a panel on the desktop.  I want a calender and memory usage on my desktop.
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> not installed i havnet
[05:04] <bob2> MonkeyBonkey: #damnsmalllinux
[05:04] <Laforge> bob2, i don't know where to move them so they can be access by a code in my .php files for my HTTP server
[05:04] <MonkeyBonkey> Damn Small Linux
[05:04] <MonkeyBonkey> damack i have
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> damack yes
[05:04] <nickrud> mattlins, gkrellm is ok
[05:04] <mattlins> ok
[05:04] <mattlins> I'll check it out
[05:04] <nickrud> mattlins, uh, no calender, I think
[05:05] <bob2> Laforge: so, you need to read some mysql howto or something, and make a database.  then import your data into it
[05:05] <damack> so how do you get the new isntall to recognize the user config from the old distro?
[05:05] <damack> ubuntu isn't doing it
[05:05] <bob2> no, it has nothing to do with ubuntu
[05:05] <bob2> what config files "aren't being recognised"?
[05:05] <runelind> mounting network drives through mount -t smbfs won't work because I have a ! in my password
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> damak, depends what the old distro was
[05:06] <^thehatsrule^> new2gentoo: hey, you the mepislover? ;p
[05:06] <Gnome> MonkeyBonkey, http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd/
[05:06] <damack> i'm switching from knoppix to ubuntu
[05:06] <damack> if i mount /home over /home it doesn't work
[05:06] <Gnome> just burn it als image cd, then boot from cd rom and install just what you need:)
[05:06] <Strife> who here has experience with Samba?
[05:06] <bob2> damack: ok, that's uselessly vague
[05:06] <new2gentoo> yes, how are you? using gentoo now, but still use mepis on one desktop
[05:06] <bob2> damack: 13:05:44             ---| <<-- donald [~donald@pool-71-115-44-192.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net]  has quit (Client Quit)
[05:06] <bob2> bah
[05:07] <bob2> damack: what config files do you think "aren't being recognised"?
[05:07] <new2gentoo> ^thehatsrule^,  yes, how are you? using gentoo now, but still use mepis on one desktop
[05:07] <^thehatsrule^> heh, i was gonna try gentoo after ubuntu
[05:07] <^thehatsrule^> but i got stuck here ;p
[05:07] <Strife> gentoo is cool, but it takes too long :P
[05:07] <damack> i don't know.  it doesn't even let me log in
[05:07] <thr1ce> take the next week of your life and throw it away to install a sidstro?
[05:07] <thr1ce> distro*
[05:08] <new2gentoo> ^thehatsrule^, so, how is ubuntu working out for you , pretty well it would seem
[05:08] <bob2> damack: er
[05:08] <^thehatsrule^> yea, ive yet to upgrade to hoary tho
[05:08] <bob2> damack: you can't even login to a termina?
[05:08] <damack> bob2: not without going to failsafe
[05:08] <bob2> er?
[05:09] <bob2> you can't login to a VT?
[05:09] <thr1ce> has anyone used shipit?
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> thr1ce yes
[05:09] <nickrud> thr1ce, a few months ago
[05:09] <thr1ce> how long does it take?
[05:09] <damack> well didn't try that, only tried logging into gnome
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> long time
[05:09] <thr1ce>  /did it take for you
[05:09] <bob2> damack: so, try that
[05:09] <carthik_> thr1ce, two+ months
[05:10] <thr1ce> woow
[05:10] <bob2> thr1ce: it depends when you order
[05:10] <nickrud> yeah, so long thatI wondered who was sending me something from switzerland
[05:10] <bob2> thr1ce: if you order now, it should only take a few weeks
[05:10] <thr1ce> i mean, I ordered a few days ago, I'm guessing a few weeks
[05:10] <lifeless> send no money now!
[05:10] <thr1ce> but right when a release hits...few months i'd imagine
[05:11] <carthik_> I seem to have an issue - the first order arrived after a few weeks. I ordered the second time a month before hoary ws released - am still waiting
[05:11] <nickrud> a very pleasant suprise :)
[05:11] <thr1ce> i'm off to sleep...stupid work  :P  night all
[05:11] <new2gentoo> later ^thehatsrule^
[05:11] <^thehatsrule^> cya new2gentoo ;p
[05:11] <carthik_> bob2, just in case -- i installed and got the printer to work :) I update the FrequentlyAskedQuestions page at the wiki too, in case someone else has the same problems.
[05:11] <bob2> carthik_: yes, that's normal, cd orders from a month before hoary weren't dealt with until after hoary released
[05:12] <bob2> carthik_: woo, cool, thanks!
[05:13] <darkaudit> g'nite all... drinks are now being served in #ubuntux for the XFCE crowd ;)
[05:14] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[05:16] <tsume> has anyone whios'ed aol.com before?
[05:16] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[05:16] <tsume> are aol admins joking, or does aol just get pwned daily?
[05:17] <bob2> tsume: those other domains have nothing to do with aol atall
[05:17] <bob2> it's just silly people mentioning the word "aol" in their own whois records on their own domain
[05:17] <bob2> and the whois search just looks for anything with the world "aol.com" in it
[05:17] <tsume> bob2: they are referral services which have whois info as well?
[05:17] <tsume> oh, heh
[05:17] <bob2> they'r just other domains
[05:18] <bob2> usualyl spammers
[05:18] <tsume> well I think ..    Server Name: AOL.COM.IS.N0T.AS.1337.AS.GULLI.COM is cute ;)
[05:18] <bob2> you get the same if you "whois google.com"
[05:19] <tsume> GOOGLE.COM.HAS.LESS.FREE.PORN.IN.ITS.SEARCH.ENGINE.THAN.SECZY.COM <-- har har
[05:19] <dr_willis> AOL.COM.AINT.GOT.AS.MUCH.FREE.PORN.AS.SECZ.COM
[05:19] <dr_willis> ;)
[05:19] <shiv> Is there a way to save all the configurations of the computer right now.  All my wireless, sounds and display are working great, I do not want to lose them...
[05:19] <jaysin> okay, i installed limewire like it said to at ubuntuguide.org and i restarted gnome and the computer... it still wont work
[05:20] <shiv> I mean like a backup point?
[05:20] <dr_willis> not thta ive ever seen/heard of shinu
[05:20] <dr_willis> oops shiv
[05:20] <dr_willis> :P
[05:20] <bob2> shiv: just backup /etc/
[05:20] <bob2> jaysin: people can't help you unless you ask more detailed questions
[05:20] <dr_willis> bob2,  wjat if hes used ifconfig or other commands frm the shell.
[05:20] <Gnome> jaysin, limewire needs j2 you can better install the gtk-gnutella:)
[05:21] <jaysin> lol sorry :P
[05:21] <Madpilot> tsume: i just used Terminal to whois aol.com, and got a normal whois entry. what're you using for whois?
[05:21] <bob2> dr_willis: then it won't persist over reboot, anyway
[05:21] <bob2> Madpilot: look at the top of the output
[05:21] <dr_willis> bob2,  right - thats what hes asking. i think.. how to preferve all those changes
[05:21] <bob2> you can't
[05:21] <tsume> Madpilot: some stupid linux type whois
[05:21] <shiv> should I copy the whole folder to some other place??
[05:21] <bob2> you should be putting them in config files if you want them
[05:21] <bob2> tsume: please?
[05:22] <tsume> bob2: please what?
[05:22] <Madpilot> bob2, tsume: got it, didn't realize the aol.com whois was so long... the internet is a damn strange place sometimes...
[05:22] <tsume> Madpilot: yep.
[05:23] <jaysin> gnome:  how do i do that? lmao
[05:23] <Gnome> jaysin, very easy
[05:24] <Gnome> try apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[05:24] <Madpilot> try whois on microsoft.com: MICROSOFT.COM.FILLS.ME.WITH.BELLIGERENCE.NET is the cleanest of the lot... :)
[05:24] <jaysin> gnome:  "E: Couldn't find package gtk-gnutell"
[05:25] <carthik_> a
[05:25] <carthik_> zen support :)
[05:25] <Gnome> jaysin, go as root en typ vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:25] <kvidell> ugh.
[05:25] <kvidell> I screwed up XORG
[05:26] <carthik_> gnome, jaysin, he missed the a in gnutellA
[05:26] <crimsun> kvidell: no, it's just screwed in Breezy.
[05:26] <kvidell> on my laptop no less... with an 8 hour flight coming up tomorrow.
[05:26] <kvidell> Just my luck.
[05:26] <crimsun> kvidell: oh and -- read the topic. Again.
[05:26] <slimb|sleep> topic == right
[05:26] <jaysin> oopsies
[05:26] <tsume> breezy works great for me :)
[05:26] <Gnome> carthik_, hehe k :p
[05:26] <tsume> I know what I'm doing though ;)
[05:26] <kvidell> why? :-P
[05:26] <slimb|sleep> breezy blows stuff up !
[05:26] <kvidell> It's been fine until today
[05:26] <kvidell> besides, it's not so broken that the system is unusable.
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> did you change the dbus yesterday?
[05:27] <crimsun> then hope you don't trigger the "can't log in" issue
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> im in icewm
[05:27] <kvidell> I have a spare laptop and a desktop in case something does break so bad I can't use it ;) I'm not too worried yet.
[05:28] <kvidell> they're both running hoary
[05:28] <crimsun> the Breezy X.Org issue can be worked around with a symlink anyhow
[05:28] <kvidell> nope :)
[05:28] <kvidell> it's broke worse than that
[05:28] <kvidell> Tried everything in the faqs and forums.
[05:28] <crimsun> symlink and edit xorg.conf
[05:28] <kvidell> I blame ATI. *nods sternly*
[05:28] <crimsun> that's pretty much all you need
[05:28] <jaysin> fixed the "A" and still no luck
[05:28] <tsume> I need to blacklist china off my servers too
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have to reconfig x each boot :) its stupid
[05:29] <tsume> and korea, brazil, and others :)
[05:29] <Jeezis> kvidell: damn staight
[05:29] <Jeezis> ati has given me crap since day one
[05:29] <shiv> how do I open Nautilis as root?
[05:29] <Gnome> jaysin, then go to vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:29] <carthik_> jaysin, do you have the universe and multiverse repositories enabled?
[05:29] <Madpilot> tsume: what sort of server do you run, anyway? like 'em or not AOL is still huge...
[05:29] <kvidell> I don't play games or anything, so I don't generally notice the bottleneck that is the aTI drivers.. so it's not that big a deal. I use my laptop for.. well.. chat and e-mail and stuff.
[05:29] <jaysin> carthik_  huh?
[05:29] <Gnome> and remove the # befor the deb's
[05:30] <Gnome> then apt-get update
[05:30] <tsume> Madpilot: if they have the money for AOL, they have the money to get a real mail server
[05:30] <carthik_> jaysin, follow (the) Gnome
[05:30] <tsume> Madpilot: I run a server which is set up correctly
[05:30] <tsume> Madpilot: I've the best security policies
[05:30] <mattlins> How do I get gkrellm to run at startup and as a dameon?
[05:30] <Madpilot> tsume: and AOL breaks your server?
[05:30] <Gnome> and try then apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[05:30] <bob2> mattlins: you don't
[05:31] <bob2> it's not a daemon
[05:31] <tsume> Madpilot: no, I just realise a large amount of spam comes from aol, china, brazil, and korea
[05:31] <mattlins> oh
[05:31] <bob2> mattlins: you can add it to your gnome session if you loike, system -> preferences -> session
[05:31] <tsume> also, I'm _really_ tired of getting spam in Japanese
[05:31] <shiv> what is the official gdesklets website? I am not able to connect since AM today
[05:31] <tsume> I get enough spam in English, I don't need to see the spam in Japanese.
[05:31] <Madpilot> tsume: better add yahoo & hotmail to your blacklist, then!
[05:32] <tsume> Madpilot: yahoo is improving, and I've not recieved spam from hotmail in a long time
[05:32] <carthik_> spam is food for my thunderbird
[05:32] <carthik_> :)
[05:32] <tsume> yahoo is as least trying to cure the problem
[05:33] <kane> thats bull i get spam from yahoo
[05:33] <Madpilot> Google is getting a bad rep on parts of Usenet for not policing Google Groups very well...
[05:33] <bob2> kane: no one can stop spammers spoofing From: to say it came from yahoo
[05:34] <carthik_> bob2, right, I get spam from myself, sometimes
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[05:34] <Madpilot> spammers - the only group I'm wholeheartedly in favour of applying the death penalty to!
[05:35] <kane> bob2 man i have a big mess here now with this new install
[05:36] <tsume> kane: enable policy filters
[05:36] <kvidell> The ubuntuforum's been getting spam messages via the mailing list about once a week. It's kind of entertaining. (They found some trick in vBulletin to link a forum area to the mailing list. very cool.)
[05:36] <kane> oh i dont get mail here
[05:38] <Strife> what's the dpkg command to reconfigure packages?
[05:38] <jaysin_> sorry guys, my comp crashed
[05:38] <Strife> I thought it was --reconfigure, but apparently not
[05:38] <helio7> anyone run into the firefox "Firefox on Ubuntu" page that says you need to upgrade before updating firefox extensions or whatever, and that Ubuntu made some mistake which they filed a bug on??
[05:38] <kvidell> dpkg-reconfigure thinger
[05:38] <Strife> right
[05:38] <Strife> thanks
[05:38] <kvidell> mmhmm
[05:39] <Laforge> when mysql is installed what are the default user and password?
[05:39] <helio7> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/?id=60 may work for you to see what I'm talking about re: firefox/ubuntu bug
[05:39] <crimsun> Laforge: you have to configure that
[05:39] <Laforge> ok but see i don't know where the mysql folder is
[05:39] <kvidell> uh... there's a script you run somewhere
[05:39] <kvidell> lemme find it.
[05:40] <IIIEars> newb question. How do i remove a filled directory? - Do symlinks chang the command?
[05:40] <Strife> rm -r
[05:40] <IIIEars> rmdir - complains
[05:40] <helio7> IIIEars: rm -r foo
[05:40] <IIIEars> okay - lol - Thank You. :)
[05:40] <Strife> -r recurses thru everything
[05:40] <Strife> rmdir requires an empty directory
[05:41] <kane> oh crap
[05:42] <nalioth> is it that quiet in here?
[05:42] <kvidell> you've given us all of 10 seconds to be noisey? :-P
[05:43] <IIIEars> (crickets chirping) yes it is kinda quiet.
[05:43] <nalioth> i like to arrive to a constant screen motion
[05:43] <nalioth> when its like this, i think something is wrong
[05:43] <samurai> 
[05:43] <kvidell> Yea. I finally had breezy break on me after using it flawlessly since it was made public :-\
[05:43] <IIIEars> nalioth - likely everythig is going perfectly all Ubuntu users are happy. :)
[05:44] <kvidell> I knew it would happen... I was just hoping it wouldn't be before a buisness travel
[05:44] <kvidell> I'm mourning.
[05:44] <nalioth> IIIEars: must be.. .. ..
[05:45] <nalioth> roomate suffered from some sort of failure (due to power breaker tripping twice in 5 minutes)
[05:45] <nalioth> got to open that box up tomorrow, and wiggle the parts to see whats wrong
[05:45] <Madpilot> we could invite some trolls or drunks in if you need it to be noisier here... ;)
[05:45] <nalioth> its kinda weird. the box boots from cdrom, but won't boot from HD
[05:46] <kvidell> Did the powerfailure's toast his drive?
[05:46] <nalioth> i installed ubuntu (they had some old lame distro on it) and again, it couldnt boot from HD (although the install went w/o error)
[05:46] <shiv> is there a program like xdocker for ubuntu?
[05:46] <nalioth> kvidell: i booted knoppix and was checkin out the drive contents. all data seems intact
[05:46] <whyameye> just tried watching a DVD. Totem wouldn't play it. VLC plays okay, but the sound occassionally stutters. DMA is enabled. CPU usage is low. Any ideas?
[05:46] <nalioth> it just hangs when its handed off to the HD during boot up
[05:47] <kvidell> Weird... is the MBR messed up maybe?
[05:47] <nalioth> whyameye: specs?
[05:47] <nalioth> kvidell: i fdisked /mbr with knoppix (said it couldnt open for writing) and then <gagh> used windows "fixmbr" on it
[05:47] <whyameye> nalioth, are you asking the specs of the computer? 1.6GHz Pentium 4 laptop. Mobility 7500 video card
[05:47] <nalioth> kvidell: neither worked
[05:48] <shiv> is there a program like xdocker for ubuntu? Any help??
[05:48] <nalioth> whyameye: we enquiring minds want to know so your ?? can be answered better (noobs running a pentium would be run out on a rail, you see)
[05:49] <nalioth> kvidell: so i'm thinking that maybe one IDE ctrlr got toasted
[05:49] <kvidell> hm
[05:49] <kvidell> how about the command "badblocks"
[05:49] <nalioth> kvidell: but not toasted enough to cut the HD off completeley
[05:49] <whyameye> nalioth, okay I see. Anyway it  played DVDs great when I had Windows on it. We can't let it happen that Windows plays DVDs better, can we? ;-) Anyway CPU usage is low so I don't think the system is stressed.
[05:50] <tsume> Madpilot: you see, I protect my users from the con men organisations of the internet
[05:50] <kvidell> badblocks (8)        - search a device for bad blocks
[05:50] <nalioth> whyameye: are all your evil codecs installed?
[05:50] <nalioth> kvidell: yes, knoppix did throw a bad block error when i was running "top"
[05:50] <Madpilot> tsume: so, anyone running Windows can't log on to your system? :)
[05:51] <whyameye> nalioth, I even used to use VLC (the same program I am using now) on Windows, and DVDs played great...
[05:51] <nalioth> whyameye: yes VLC works great on OSX, also
[05:52] <whyameye> nalioth: evil codecs? Probably not, since I'm not totally sure what you mean. There was one codec I had to install that vlc mentioned. There was a link to it and I downloaded. That's how I got this far...
[05:52] <tsume> Madpilot: they can. However, I don't like the business bastards like luxuriousity which take advantage of the community
[05:52] <nalioth> whyameye: if you google ubuntulinux.org for "restricted formats" (the evil ones that are not open source) it may point you to some that might help
[05:52] <tsume> heck, I even found the dumb idiot of luxuriousity
[05:53] <tsume> I found his address he tried so hard to hide
[05:53] <tsume> what kind of idiot abuses the sale of OSS, and registers a business in the USA?
[05:53] <whyameye> nalioth: okay I'll look into it.
[05:53] <tsume> I simply looked in the California Busisness Registry and found the dumb asses name
[05:53] <tsume> then I found the moron.
[05:54] <tsume> funny how I can get a persons whole life from the internet ;)
[05:54] <Madpilot> tsume: just found luxwhatever - they've just repackaged OpenOffce & stuff, haven't they?
[05:55] <tsume> Madpilot: they make it sound like _the_guy_ wrote the software
[05:55] <tsume> blender, gimp, OO.org
[05:55] <tsume> Gregory Collins is a moron
[05:56] <DAC1138> i have a quick question. what options do i add to fstab to get my windows ntfs partition readable by a normal user?
[05:57] <Laforge> www.hostscripts.com/PHP/Software_and_Servers/Installation_Kits/index.html
[05:57] <Laforge> would that be easier
[05:57] <nalioth> tsume: Madpilot y'all mean like that feller that wrote that CherryOS, the PPC emu that runs at 20x host system speed?
[05:57] <killapop> DAC1138: /dev/hda1       /mnt/winxp      ntfs    defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[05:57] <nalioth> DAC1138: there are a million pages via google to answer your question
[05:58] <Madpilot> tsume: pretty unreal. not a word that i can see on the lux site about open source or anything. bizarre.
[05:58] <DAC1138> nalioth,  yeah, but its easier to jsut ask :-)
[05:58] <tsume> Madpilot: I know :)
[05:58] <tsume> Madpilot: he makes it sound like he wrote the software
[05:58] <DAC1138> nalioth,  and all i needed was the uid=1000 part, so why google?
[05:58] <tsume> Madpilot: hes a major moron
[05:58] <nalioth> DAC1138: a feller asked a question here yestern, and got one of his critical system configs hosed in the answer
[05:59] <nalioth> DAC1138: i'm not an asshole, just if you google it you can compare notes and see if everyone is on the same page
[05:59] <Madpilot> tsume: he does mention that other ppl wrote parts of it, but makes it sound like OLNY his company distributes this stuff...
[05:59] <tsume> Madpilot: he said on the OOorg page 10k people wrote it :) yea right
[05:59] <mr_clark> Hi guys. I'm running the latest version of Kubuntu and I can't seem to find an update for firefox to 1.0.4. I took a look at security.ubuntu.com but couldn't find it there. Has it been released?
[06:00] <tsume> mr_clark: the patches are applied to the 1.0.2 or whichever is installed with ubuntu
[06:00] <carthik_> mr_clark, the updates are in, but the ff version hasnt been upped
[06:00] <Madpilot> tsume: i guess there's nothing in the various open source licences (GPL/LGPL/etc) preventing this sort of crap...too bad.
[06:00] <tsume> Madpilot: its sad, yes
[06:00] <mr_clark> okay but any idea when the updates are going to be released?
[06:00] <hone> anyone here having problems compiling f-spot?
[06:01] <tsume> Madpilot: anything can be abused unfortunately
[06:01] <mr_clark> There's exploits released available for it already
[06:01] <andreas> Hi. Can someone please help me install a program that isn`t in the apt preositories?
[06:01] <carthik_> hone, i did - filed a bug, and found that i needed a newer version of gtk-sharp
[06:01] <kvidell> andreas: What program might that be?
[06:01] <tsume> mr_clark: the version ubuntu has is already secure
[06:01] <andreas> ABC
[06:01] <tsume> mr_clark: they use backports/patches
[06:01] <Madpilot> tsume: true enough. I'm going to go play Scorch3d. I need to blow sh*t up.
[06:02] <mr_clark> so 1.0.2 is secured against the exploits already?
[06:02] <tsume> mr_clark: correct
[06:02] <carthik_> andreas, curious - what does that do?
[06:02] <kvidell> You sure it's not there?
[06:02] <kvidell> abc2ps ?
[06:02] <andreas> carthik: It`s  a torrent client
[06:02] <kvidell> Ah
[06:02] <tsume> ii  mozilla-firefox                  1.0.2-0ubuntu5                   lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
[06:02] <kvidell> that wouldn't be it then.
[06:02] <tsume> 1.0.2, port number 5
[06:02] <mr_clark> k thanks.
[06:02] <rama> Is ubuntu drupal package with its own docs re: installation?
[06:02] <nalioth> carthik_: A Better bittorrent CLient
[06:03] <nalioth> heh
[06:03] <andreas> I`ve downloaded it but cannot get any further on my own
[06:03] <kvidell> you got the source?
[06:03] <andreas> yep
[06:03] <kvidell> .tar.gz?
[06:03] <andreas> tar.gz but i uncompressed it - was that wrong?
[06:04] <kvidell> nope
[06:04] <andreas> okay
[06:04] <kvidell> cd in to the directory it made and see if it has a file called "configure", if so, ./configure
[06:04] <tsume> "We get signal"
[06:04] <nicklax> guys what's the best bittorrent client that you've tried?
[06:04] <kvidell> if you think you'll need any special options, then do ./configure --help | less instead and write down the ones you think you'll want
[06:04] <tsume> "What you say?"
[06:04] <hone> carthik_: a newer version of gtk#?
[06:04] <andreas> kvidell: Here` s the thing... I don`t  know how to move around in the terminal
[06:05] <tsume> "you have no chanve survive made your time"
[06:05] <kvidell> move around in?
[06:05] <tsume> *chance
[06:05] <hone> carthik_: did you compile one?
[06:05] <kvidell> like change in to the directory of the source?
[06:05] <ccc> nicklax: azureus
[06:05] <kvidell> nicklax: My roommate type fellow enjoys this weird CLI Python client
[06:05] <Cybermagellan> YAY hit 109 here today
[06:05] <tsume> would be nice if I opened a fortune cookie and have "all your base are belong to us" in it :P
[06:05] <andreas> kvidell: The command to cd to path
[06:05] <tsume> I bet I could order a few thousand and give them out :)
[06:06] <kvidell> he runs it in a screen session and it's very nice.
[06:06] <dumbledore> well thanks for the help all, gtg
[06:06] <kvidell> the command to cd to a path is.. cd
[06:06] <carthik_> hone. yes if you search for carthik 's bugs at bugzilla.gnome.org you can read my story
[06:07] <g14> I want a fortune cookie that says, "The whirling winds of bad luck and misfortune will infest your pathetic soul for all eternity"
[06:07] <kestas> how do I make a .deb?
[06:07] <DAC1138> go make one
[06:07] <nalioth> kvidell: yes i enjoy the weird CLI python client too, (its called <in my case> bittornado) and 'screen', so i can have multiple weird python CLI clients running at the same time
[06:08] <andreas> kvidell: Well.. Ny name is andreas and the damn thing is placed in Programmer/ABC1/ABC2/here-are all-the-files but cd/home/andreas/Programmer/ABC1/ABC" doesn`t get me anywhere
[06:08] <tsume> I can get 100 fortune cookies for 65 dollars :/
[06:08] <tsume> "All your base are belong to us"    (tsumelabs) :P
[06:08] <nalioth> kestas: use "checkinstall" (a program) instead of "make install"
[06:08] <Tritis> tsume, Custom fortune cookies I hope.
[06:08] <carthik_> kestas: http://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+I+make+a+.deb
[06:08] <kestas> nalioth: thanks
[06:08] <tsume> Tritis: yes
[06:08] <g14> ./configure && make && checkinstall -D will make a deb and install it for you
[06:08] <nicklax> ccc, yes, i'll use azuresu but i was wondering if java apps runs faster as non java?
[06:08] <crimsun> ugh, checkinstall is a suboptimal solution.
[06:08] <Tritis> Good that price was a bit steep
[06:08] <tsume> Tritis: will be fun with a bunch of tech geeks at a lunch meeting
[06:09] <nicklax> ccc, or at least usable
[06:09] <tsume> Tritis: I can probably find them elsewhere
[06:09] <carthik_> my azureus seems to have a bug, though
[06:09] <hone> carthik_: how do I search for you?
[06:09] <nalioth> crimsun: please enlighten me to the optimal solution?
[06:09] <crimsun> nalioth: a native deb, of course. What application is it?
[06:10] <nickrud> can someone tell me the 'origin' of ubuntu, for use of ~O in aptitude?
[06:10] <nalioth> crimsun: i would like enlightenment on how to make a deb from a source gz
[06:10] <carthik_> hone, one sec
[06:11] <andreas> andreas@ubuntu:~ $ sudo cd /home/andreas/Programmer/ABC1/ABC2
[06:11] <andreas> Password:
[06:11] <andreas> sudo: cd: command not found
[06:11] <crimsun> nalioth: please see the Debian New Maintainer's Guide and the Developer's Guide
[06:11] <andreas> Though I cannot see why sudo should be needed
[06:11] <crimsun> nalioth: you might find it easiest to go the cdbs route
[06:11] <sbcl3> anyone know a good JAVA IDE or a list of good JAVA IDEs?
[06:12] <Amaranth> sbcl3: Eclipse
[06:12] <kane> crimsun:  there is a package to make debs
[06:12] <Amaranth> It's the only one I know of, it's so huge.
[06:12] <nalioth> crimsun: have you URLs to those 2 things you mentioned, or should i google them? (and what is cdbs?)
[06:13] <crimsun> nalioth: the Guides are linked from debian.org (and its mirrors)
[06:13] <super_dude2> How do i upgrade to horay without erasing all my software/files??
[06:13] <nalioth> super_dude2: use apt-get
[06:13] <crimsun> nalioth: cdbs is a package; use aptitude to install it, then read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/cdbs/
[06:13] <super_dude2> apt-get horay?
[06:13] <nalioth> super_dude2: only the old programs will be replaces
[06:13] <andreas> andreas@ubuntu:~ $ sudo cd /home/andreas/Programmer/ABC1/ABC2
[06:13] <andreas> 06:11 < andreas> Password:
[06:13] <andreas> 06:11 < andreas> sudo: cd: command not found
[06:13] <crimsun> kane: dpkg-buildpackage, yes
[06:13] <nalioth> crimsun: ty
[06:14] <kane> just change all the repositories to hoary
[06:14] <super_dude2> i have the cd
[06:14] <kane> crimsun:  no another one
[06:14] <thechitowncubs> Are there any other bittorrent gui's other than Azureus besides btdownloadgui?
[06:14] <carthik_> hone, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303668
[06:15] <crimsun> kane: they all call dpkg-buildpackage eventually.
[06:15] <super_dude2> so what do i type?
[06:15] <andreas> Can someone please help me? It` s such a dumb place to get stuck
[06:15] <kvidell> Try doing it sans sudo
[06:15] <kane> apt-gwt add-cd
[06:15] <kane> get
[06:15] <kvidell> I don't see why you'd need to be sudo to move around in your own home directory.
[06:15] <jay> andreas: cd is not a binary.  it's a command interprted by bash
[06:16] <andreas> sans sudo has been tried without luck
[06:16] <kane> crimsun:  no its not that either
[06:16] <carthik_> andreas what does pwd tell you?
[06:16] <kvidell> cd ~/Programmer/ABC*/ABC*
[06:16] <carthik_> andreas, get there one directory at a time
[06:16] <andreas> jay: Please speak to me as if I were an idiot, because I understood nada of what you just typed
[06:16] <super_dude2> can someone tell me exactly what to type to install from a cd?
[06:16] <carthik_> ls -ing along the way
[06:16] <libolt> has anyone gotten mythtv working properly on amd64?  I've had problems with both the included 0.17 and custom built 0.18.1 debs
[06:17] <carthik_> super_dude2, nothing
[06:17] <crimsun> kane: there are many packaging frontends, so to speak, but they all call dpkg-buildpackage eventually.
[06:17] <super_dude2> waht
[06:17] <carthik_> super_dude2, pop the cd in and press enter
[06:17] <super_dude2> i want to do it without deleting anything
[06:17] <andreas> carthik: /home i okay but the second i go into /andreas the term changes back to ubuntu@andreas
[06:17] <kane> sure would be nice to have some friggin bandwidth
[06:17] <carthik_> super_dude2, deleting anything - not possible. ubuntu needs some space
[06:17] <super_dude2> no like my files
[06:17] <helio7> anyone know a color-sampling utility for web design (like "pixie.exe" for win32)??
[06:17] <jay> andreas: hehe.  well i'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do.  but the shell (the things you type stuff into) has commands.  one of those commands is cd.  so typing sudo before it doesn't make any sense to the system because cd is not a program
[06:18] <carthik_> andreas, that is okay
[06:18] <jay> andreas: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[06:18] <carthik_> andreas, use cd <name> to change to the dir
[06:18] <IIIEars>  <perk> working with / from the CD too.
[06:18] <carthik_> andreas, use ls to list contents
[06:18] <carthik_> andreas, whe you see a directory tha looks promising type cd <dir-name> again
[06:19] <carthik_> work your way to the dir the first few times :)
[06:19] <andreas> just a sec - I`ll give it a shot an dpaste the error inhere when it pops up
[06:19] <kane> crimsun:  i used it to make deb for gnomeradio
[06:19] <kvidell> (directories will be listed either in blue, or with a / after the name)
[06:19] <nickrud> literally
[06:19] <carthik_> super_dude2, you need to know how to set up partitions, when you get tot hat point
[06:19] <crimsun> kane: used _what_? :)
[06:19] <carthik_> super_dude2, but you dont need to type anything, really
[06:19] <super_dude2> i have 1 partion i just want to keep my files and upgrade to horay
[06:20] <hone> carthik_: did you update your gtk-sharp?
[06:20] <carthik_> super_dude2, pop the cd in and install, but be warned that if you dont know hoe to manage partitions, you may los data
[06:20] <nalioth> thechitowncubs: do you mean bittorrent for JUST linux?
[06:20] <kane> nickrud:  i just got mine but prefer old ones yet
[06:20] <sbcl3> amaranth: can i get it through synaptic by adding a repository?
[06:20] <carthik_> hone, there wasn't a back-port and I did not want to mess too much. I had already compiled a bunch of stuff from source. so instead of upgrading gtk# i decided to wait out
[06:20] <andreas> andreas@ubuntu:/home $ cd /home
[06:20] <andreas> andreas@ubuntu:/home $ ls
[06:20] <andreas> Andreas  andreas  Camilla
[06:20] <andreas> andreas@ubuntu:/home $ cd /Andreas
[06:20] <andreas> bash: cd: /Andreas: No such file or directory
[06:20] <kane> crimsun:  i cant remember
[06:21] <carthik_> andreas, the / at the beginning is not needed
[06:21] <super_dude2> so if i jsut go thru with the install it wont erase any files
[06:21] <Lafitte-> wow the streamtuner nice tool :)
[06:21] <Amaranth> sbcl3: I don't know.
[06:21] <carthik_> andreas, also dont copy and paste here in the channel. it will upset most people :)
[06:21] <super_dude2> it says on the cd case there is a expert insallation avalible?
[06:21] <andreas> Carthik: Shall i just type cd home etc?
[06:21] <carthik_> super_dude2, that is for experts
[06:21] <super_dude2> How do i do it ill work it out?
[06:22] <andreas> carthik: Well... It`s the easisest way to describe the problem
[06:22] <carthik_> andreas, when you type /something it means (the directory "something") that lies at the root of the filesystem, which is denoted by /
[06:22] <nickrud> kane, I increased my font size, because I'm misreading everything today :)
[06:22] <La_PaRCa> hey, how do I know if my shipit cds have already shipped?
[06:22] <kane> super_dude2:  just use apt-get add cd
[06:23] <carthik_> super_dude2, it depends on how your partitions are - there is no way someone can decide for you what to keep and what not to. so if you dont know what partitions you have/want to keep etc, dont mess with them
[06:23] <andreas> okay.... I`m there now. Is the abc.conf the most probable file?
[06:23] <kane> nickrud:  my new glasses are to powerful
[06:23] <shiv> how can I show trash on the desktop?
[06:23] <super_dude2> i just want stuff in my home folder and desktop
[06:23] <quocthien> hi
[06:23] <carthik_> andreas, if that is the file you want to edit - yes.
[06:24] <nickrud> kane, decrease your font size ;0
[06:24] <andreas> carthik: I want to install a program.
[06:24] <kane> nickrud:  now all i need is new memory banks
[06:24] <carthik_> andreas, you should read the installation notes that came with the program, or maybe displayed on the website
[06:24] <andreas> (looking for the suffix used to install programs - like .exe). Please don`t hate me for my ignorance ;-)
[06:25] <carthik_> andreas, there is no such thing
[06:26] <andreas> Damn! Well.. i assume the command to use will bw dpkg --i (filname)
[06:26] <kane> super_dude2:  i told you how
[06:26] <IIIEars> lol@andreas - everyone does for at least a week. no exe's
[06:26] <nalioth> andreas: in linux ANY filetype can be "executable"
[06:26] <carthik_> andreas, usually you have to compile your program -- if you have the source
[06:26] <super_dude2> it didnt work kane
[06:26] <hone> carthik_: do ou know where I can d/l the gnome-sharp source?
[06:26] <carthik_> hone, you mean gtk-sharp?
[06:26] <kane> man apt-get super_dude2
[06:26] <andreas> Damn thing! Finally got the hang of apt and now this!
[06:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> does there exist a command-line option to specify which workspace an app should start in?
[06:27] <carthik_> hone, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303668
[06:27] <carthik_> hone, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303668
[06:27] <IIIEars> Source code! - Freedom! :)
[06:27] <super_dude2> apt-get (WHAT)
[06:27] <carthik_> hone, sorry, it is at http://gtk-sharp.sourceforge.net
[06:27] <hone> carthik_: but I can't get i tto build the gnome-sharp.dll
[06:28] <carthik_> andreas, i'm sorry but since you couldn;t find the .deb you will have to go through this...
[06:28] <carthik_> hone, my adventures stopped there :)
[06:28] <hone> carthik_: meh :(
[06:28] <crimsun> gtk# is in universe
[06:28] <carthik_> hone, :(
[06:28] <carthik_> crimsun, he needs a new version, f-spot compile : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303668
[06:29] <crimsun> do
[06:29] <crimsun> NOT attempt to compile from source
[06:29] <crimsun> upstream does not follow Debian's or Ubuntu's .net conventions
[06:29] <kane> super_dude2:  apt-cdrom add
[06:30] <IIIEars> will he need to add the cdrom each time synaptic or apt-get is used?
[06:30] <tsume> crimsun: how sad.
[06:30] <tsume> crimsun: gtk# needs to die already.
[06:30] <hone> carthik_: baaaaaaaaaah
[06:30] <carthik_> hone, hear crimsun. I stopped after a few fatal attempts
[06:30] <carthik_> hone:  :)
[06:30] <IIIEars> how do you remove cdrom from apt after gathering the add-ons?
[06:30] <super_dude2> ok... that didnt do much...
[06:30] <hone> carthik_: just wait for breezy?
[06:30] <crimsun> hone: that's the best solution
[06:31] <carthik_> hone, I should think in a few days we should be there ;)
[06:31] <carthik_> a month or two
[06:31] <kane> it add source cdrom
[06:31] <carthik_> hone, I used f-spot top upload to flickr, for which i use juploadr now
[06:31] <tsume> crimsun: perhaps there can be a rewrite of beagle in C++ or Python
[06:32] <carthik_> kane, super_dude2 hasnt installed ubuntu yet... :)
[06:32] <kane> now do apt-get update then apt-get upgrade
[06:32] <hone> carthik_: in a day or two?
[06:32] <super_dude2> YES i have
[06:32] <super_dude2> im on ubuntu nOW!
[06:32] <carthik_> hone, no, i was thinking in terms of months
[06:32] <KarlosII> KOol
[06:32] <hone> carthik_: ahh
[06:33] <carthik_> hone, sorry :|
[06:33] <super_dude2> carthik_ matey im running ubuntu at the moment i have been for a few months
[06:33] <ubuntu> no me gusta la version live de ubuntu
[06:33] <kane> duh
[06:33] <hone> carthik_: mmm it's ok
[06:33] <carthik_> super_dude2, you started with : super_dude2 so if i jsut go thru with the install it wont erase any files
[06:33] <hone> carthik_: aren't they doing backports?
[06:34] <super_dude2> yes
[06:34] <carthik_> hone, not for gtk-sharp not yet, I thinkg
[06:34] <kvidell> super_dude2: are you trying to upgrade from warty to hoary?
[06:34] <super_dude2> yes
[06:34] <super_dude2> thats what i said
[06:34] <kvidell> couldn't just ask that could you? :-P
[06:34] <hone> carthik_: right, but they might come?
[06:34] <carthik_> super_dude2, help me here : if you have ubuntu, then what are you trying to install?
[06:34] <kvidell> super_dude2: modify your apt repositories, change all instances of "warty" to "hoary"
[06:34] <kane> super_dude2:  did those commands do the trick
[06:34] <kvidell> done that and it still didn't work?
[06:34] <super_dude2> im upgraing to horay from warty
[06:34] <carthik_> hone, maybe?
[06:35] <super_dude2> thos commands didnt do much
[06:35] <kane> kvidell:  he has cdrom
[06:35] <kvidell> so?
[06:35] <hone> carthik_: sort of sucks, had all my photo stuff w/ f-spot
[06:35] <kvidell> super_dude2: Can you use the online apt repositories if you wanted to?
[06:35] <carthik_> hone, wasnt the old worknig for you anymore?
[06:35] <carthik_> hone, I had them tagged :(
[06:35] <hone> carthik_: not 0.0.12 or cvs
[06:35] <super_dude2> i dont know what you  are talking about
[06:35] <kvidell> hm, k
[06:35] <hone> carthik_: so I thought 0.0.13 would help, I think it's the new mono
[06:36] <kane> lots faster to use cdrom though
[06:36] <carthik_> super_dude2, you need some quality time at the wiki
[06:36] <hone> but I have some source stuff installed, b/c I coudln't get MonoDevelop to work well compile stuff
[06:36] <hone> so I installed gtksourceview and gecko-sharp from source and MD 0.6
[06:36] <kane> 1/2 hour compared to hours
[06:36] <carthik_> hone, i dont want to compile from source - ever - again :)
[06:36] <hone> carthik_: yeah me neither
[06:37] <IIIEars> Ubuntu :)
[06:37] <Lafitte-> i made mistake of doing breezy upgrade      rofl     whole reinstall later :)
[06:41] <hone> carthnik is nunit in ubuntu?
[06:42] <carthik_> hone dunno
[06:42] <elric> is anyone using the atmelwlandriver on ubuntu?
[06:42] <rixth> As #apache is very dead. Could anyone help me with a quick subdomain question? (in #rixth)
[06:42] <kane> super_dude2:  you have to tell it where cdrom is ya know
[06:42] <sbcl3> any other free JAVA IDEs besides Eclipse (open source)?
[06:43] <clay> netbeans
[06:43] <elric> the usb driver compile fails gives errors regarding to unresolved symbols and undeclared variable.
[06:43] <Madpilot> back from blowing stuff up (Scorch3d is very cool!)
[06:43] <clay> sbcl3: nebeans
[06:43] <clay> netbeans, even
[06:43] <Madpilot> does Linux/Ubuntu have an equivilent to Window's "Alt-Tab" for task/window switching?
[06:44] <rixth> Alt+Tab...
[06:44] <rixth> It works.
[06:44] <iamnow> is there a special way to install flash in mozilla?
[06:44] <nalioth> Madpilot: yes, in both iBook (weird kb) and intel
[06:44] <iamnow> firefox i mean
[06:44] <Madpilot> rixth: OK, guess it was just to prog (Scorch3d) not allowing taskswitch... thnx.
[06:45] <mattlins> How do I get mp3 support?
[06:45] <kvidell> sudo apt-get install w32codecs ?
[06:46] <Madpilot> now I understand - Alt-Tab works, but not btwn the virtual desktops... have to remember that.
[06:46] <kvidell> Ctrl+Alt+ArrowKey for the virtual desktops
[06:47] <iamnow> kvidell: that didnt work for me
[06:47] <kvidell> works in gnome, openbox and fluxbox
[06:47] <kvidell> haven't tried kde :-\
[06:47] <kvidell> sorry, if you're using kde.. don't mind me.
[06:47] <rixth> Say I have the subdomain "sub" on my computer (running Apache 2). How can I access it in firefox? sub.machinename sub.localhost or sub.192.168.0.2 do not work.
[06:48] <REds> anyone know howto make spamassassin work with evolution ?
[06:48] <Madpilot> kvidell: thnx. good to know the shortcuts...
[06:49] <jay> REds: installed spamassassin and turned the checking on in evolution?
[06:49] <kvidell> mmhmm
[06:49] <jay> REds: it's in the account edit options for recieving mail
[06:51] <super_dude2> helo
[06:51] <super_dude2> ?
[06:51] <super_dude2> AM I HERE?
[06:52] <ivan> am i?
[06:52] <Madpilot> wherever you go, there you are
[06:52] <super_dude2> kvidell im back.
[06:52] <La_PaRCa> If something, in happening, causes something else to happen, the something else will happen.
[06:53] <kane> super_dude2:  how did that go
[06:53] <La_PaRCa> wait no, thats wrong
[06:53] <super_dude2> not well nothing happend
[06:53] <whyameye> so...there's this annoying clicking (small breaks) in the audio when I watch DVDs. The CPU draw is low. DMA is on. Any ideas? I'm using VLC. Same machine played these DVDs great using Windows...
[06:54] <kane> ok now you need apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:55] <La_PaRCa> Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen.
[06:55] <La_PaRCa> thats what I wanted to say in the first place
[06:55] <Jeezis> La_PaRCa: true that
[06:55] <jay> whyameye: does totem-xine do the same thing?
[06:57] <whyameye> jay, I'm installing totem-xine now.... We'll see...
[06:57] <Madpilot> ya, and things that try to look like things often look more like things that really are things.
[06:58] <Madpilot> d*mn, should have been: Things that look like things often look more like things than thing that really are things.
[06:58] <lotusleaf> yo man check dis out homey, I gots da ubuntu on my box, foo! What choo gonna do? Betta check it homey.
[06:58] <kane> super_dude2:  did you do apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:59] <La_PaRCa> This that try to look like things often look more like things than things that really are things.
[06:59] <La_PaRCa> Things that try to look like things often look more like things than things that really are things.
[07:00] <super_dude2> no
[07:00] <Madpilot> La_PaRCa: you're a Pratchett reader, right?
[07:00] <kane> thats what you need to do then super_dude2
[07:00] <La_PaRCa> Madpilot, nope, Adams reader.
[07:00] <La_PaRCa> Dont make me whip out my copy of H2G2 boy.
[07:01] <REds> jay, cant find that option in evo 2.2.2, spamassassin is installed
[07:01] <Madpilot> La_PaRCa: the 'things' quote is from Pratchett, but Adams is great too.
[07:01] <whyameye> jay, if I run totem after installing totem-xine, am I running totem-xine?
[07:02] <jay> whyameye: yep
[07:02] <Laforge> Is there anything special i need to do besides set up apache to run HTTP and FTP server on ubuntu
 how can add a second host (virtual hosting) to my existing one (default)?
[07:03] <hondje> Laforge: probably set up your ftp server too :)
[07:03] <Laforge> what program do i need to set up an ftp server
[07:03] <whyameye> jay, in any case, I just ran totem (which couldn't play the DVDs before installing totem-xine) and the sound was perfect! So no more VLC for me, I guess. Thanks for telling me about this.
[07:03] <Laforge> i had one for windows but don't know about one for linux
[07:03] <La_PaRCa> Madpilot, really? I could use some of that. I love things that sound soooo good but really dont mean anything. Kinda the same thing as life. Very complex, means nothing.
[07:04] <nickrud> REds, you need to enable junk checking for each receiving account under edit preferences
[07:04] <tsume> tsumelabs :) yip
[07:04] <tsume> registered, happy :)
[07:04] <Madpilot> La_PaRCa: try Pratchett then... but have another look at that 'things' quote, it's not actually meaningless... :)
[07:05] <hondje> Laforge: I prefer to use sftp, but for regular ftp I liked proftpd...but I haven't used that in like 2 or 3 years, might not even be around anymore
[07:05] <La_PaRCa> Madpilot, its not devoid of meaning, but it has no new meaning to me.
[07:05] <jay> whyameye: great.  just keep in mind it probably uninstalled the ubuntu-desktop metapackage.  so you'll want to reinstall that whenever you upgrade to the next ubuntu release
[07:05] <La_PaRCa> ok, im out
[07:05] <La_PaRCa> :P
[07:05] <IIIEars> Hi! - What is the command to update  java j2re?
[07:06] <IIIEars> apt-get update java ????
[07:07] <kane> dont you wish
[07:07] <SeamusLP> IIIEars:  Sun microsystems has decreed that nobody else shall redistribute their java VM
[07:07] <dr_willis> actually isent it on that ubuntu extras cd?
[07:07] <dr_willis> :P
[07:08] <saber_> seamus: but it looks like things will be better someday with the project announcement made the other day
[07:08] <dr_willis> but the ubuntu wiki's  tell ya how to get it installed also.
[07:08] <SeamusLP> Perhaps.  Even so, you're not allowed to redistribute it under most conditions.
[07:08] <jay> SeamusLP: i'm not sure that's entirely accurate.  because some software often ships with j2re bundled.  but either way i'll use anything to bash java.  true or not ;)
[07:08] <metasquier> Hi, I have installed bibletime on my computer but it says "segmentation fault " when I try to run it
[07:08] <lotusleaf> metasquier what would jesus do?
[07:09] <saber_> really? i thought they were going to create the project under a GPL type license
[07:09] <metasquier> ??
[07:09] <SeamusLP> jay:  yeah I think so, let me look that up...
[07:09] <metasquier> he would come on the ubuntu forum and ask for help :P
[07:09] <Madpilot> if jesus built an OS would it be Jesix?
[07:09] <hondje> seg faults, that's bad :)
[07:10] <metasquier> well could you tell me WHAT a segmentation fault is?
[07:10] <jay> metasquier: it's a program crash
[07:10] <jay> a bug
[07:10] <iamnow> or JesusOS
[07:10] <jay> oh ya'll hush with the jesus jokes
[07:10] <metasquier> jay, yeah thanks
[07:10] <hondje> metasquier: apt-cache show bibletime
[07:11] <jay> metasquier: you runnin hoary?
[07:11] <hondje> See who the maintainer is, he'd probably want to see a core from your segfault
[07:11] <IIIEars> seamus - i am new. after 30 mins installing it. - that just pisses me off. - lol - you know what i don't need it. - grin
[07:11] <metasquier> jay, unfortunatly not yet
[07:11] <iamnow> i made a java installer script for firefox...where do i put it
[07:11] <hondje> java installer script?
[07:11] <holycow> why?
[07:11] <iamnow> because it was fun
[07:11] <hondje> iamnow: So you don't have to explain symlinks to newbies? :)
[07:12] <SeamusLP> Except as
[07:12] <SeamusLP> specifically authorized in any Supplemental License Terms,
[07:12] <SeamusLP> you may not make copies of Software, other than a single
[07:12] <SeamusLP> copy of Software for archival purposes.
[07:12] <holycow> what do you mean where do you put it?
[07:12] <SeamusLP> sorry for the spam
[07:12] <hondje> iamnow: I put scripts that I write in /usr/local/bin
[07:12] <IIIEars> java - is one big leaky security hole. - they can keep it.
[07:12] <iamnow> up my...
[07:12] <SeamusLP> I'll go look up the supplemental license terms now ;)
[07:12] <hondje> java is unsecure?
[07:12] <lms> Hello - Can somebody help me with a sound problem? I have two soundcards - a onboard and a SB live. How do I convince Ubuntu/Gnome to use the SB-card?
[07:12] <jay> iamnow: it's better to use the make-jpkg tool in java-package to create a real debian package
[07:12] <IIIEars> At least the browser plugins
[07:12] <iamnow> jay: why?
[07:13] <hondje> It's sun java
[07:13] <mattlins> What are some good P2P File sharing clients for linux?
[07:13] <hondje> To erase, rm -rf /usr/local/java
[07:13] <iamnow> jay: is that the long way though?
[07:13] <holycow> iamnow, what do you mean why?
[07:13] <jay> iamnow: same reason we don't all run windows.  what's the point of a package manager if you're not going to use it?
[07:13] <hondje> To install, it's like running one .bin and making two symlinks
[07:13] <jay> iamnow: no it's really the easy way.  spit on the .deb, then people can install with dpkg -i
[07:13] <jay> when they want to remove it they dpkg -r <package> and it cleans up after itself
[07:13] <jay> unlike a script
[07:14] <iamnow> this downloads it for you with wget
[07:14] <holycow> iamnow, the stupidest thing you can do on debian is bypass apt
[07:14] <kane> nicotine mldonkey
[07:14] <hondje> Not stupid for java
[07:15] <jay> hondje: it is when a more superb method exists
[07:15] <hondje> it doesn't effect anything...a symlink for $JAVAPATH/bin/java in /usr/bin, and one to the plugins
[07:15] <holycow> it affects everything, bypassing apt means that all of a sudden you have two package managers instead of one
[07:15] <jay> hondje: i just prefer having files in my system accounted for.  makes it easy to remove something when 6 months later i have to upgrade
[07:16] <holycow> beyond the 'gee whiz' factor it's retarded.  use the tools properly or use windows
[07:16] <hondje> But...to remove java you just do rm -rf /usr/local/java
[07:16] <hondje> Worst case is broken symlinks
[07:16] <lotusleaf> that's like pouring perfume on a pig
[07:16] <kvidell> Is there a command to seek out and list broken symlinks?
[07:16] <holycow> with apt there are no worst case, and you don't haveto remember how you installed it, where, and how to remove it
[07:16] <hondje> It seems like a lot of added work to make a .deb for java just to make everything aptable
[07:16] <holycow> why not just use the right tool for the right job?
[07:16] <holycow> hondje, then why are you here?
[07:16] <iamnow> is this dictatorship or humanity towards others
[07:17] <holycow> go use windows
[07:17] <jay> hondje: make-jpkg javablah.bin isn't a lot of work...
[07:17] <tsume> mattlins: aMule is the best donkey client
[07:17] <hondje> See, that's just personal attacking
[07:17] <diana_> hello
[07:17] <iamnow> dictatorix
[07:17] <mattlins> tsume: thanks
[07:17] <Yock> holycow: that's kinda mean
[07:17] <lotusleaf> holycow to apt-get argueanddebate
[07:17] <hondje> I've been using linux for years, and I can't recall one time java broke a package manager
[07:17] <holycow> lol yup it is mean
[07:17] <holycow> everyone fekin complains wah wah wah windows sucks
[07:17] <holycow> then they find apt
[07:17] <jay> hondje: plus what about virtual packages?
[07:17] <REds> nickrud, what if i dont have edit > preferences, do you mean check incoming mail for junk ?
[07:17] <holycow> and they make thier own fekin installers
[07:17] <CruJones> Hey Guys?
[07:17] <Yock> IMHO, there is no room for absolutes
[07:17] <jay> let's say azeureus depends on the virtual package java-runtime
[07:17] <holycow> and wah wah wah apt is too hard
[07:18] <jay> your script is worthless then.
[07:18] <jay> that is the point of a package manager
[07:18] <CruJones> im looking for audio codecs.  Do  you know where i can find them
[07:18] <CruJones> i can't get my sound to work
[07:18] <concept10> Yock: are you a jedi
[07:18] <holycow> Yock, correct, people who do those kinds of things are welcome to use rpm or windows
[07:18] <holycow> i'm happy to make them uncomfortable
[07:18] <Yock> concept10: how'd you guess?
[07:18] <concept10> :)
[07:18] <Yock> holycow: that isn't what I meant
[07:18] <hondje> but whoever packaged azeureus, in your example, should know that 99% of people that aren't newbies are going to just install java like normal
[07:19] <holycow> hondje, your a moron
[07:19] <Yock> heh
[07:19] <Yock> holycow: you make a very bad representative of Debian and ubuntu
[07:19] <Yock> =)
[07:19] <jay> hondje: well it is in ubuntu-backports.  either way is not noob friendly
[07:19] <holycow> Yock, retards make me angry, wadya want?
[07:19] <hondje> I'm sure I am, but at least I can debate something without personal attacks and strawmen
[07:19] <Laforge> hondje	what is a FTP client for linux?
[07:19] <hondje> Laforge: Try gFtp
[07:20] <lotusleaf> Laforge sorry to hear about cmmdr data
[07:20] <oga> could anybody help me with a networking problem... i'm trying to find another linux box connected to the network but am not sure how to go about it
[07:20] <Madpilot> WHT... I can't login to Synaptic, I get "Error: Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic: Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file." - yes, I did type the PW correctly...
[07:20] <Laforge> does that allow people to connect to my computer?
[07:20] <oga> help appreciated
[07:20] <hondje> Laforge: No, gftp is an ftp client
[07:20] <Yock> A Package Manager is one means to an end
[07:20] <Laforge> lotusleaf cmmdr data?
[07:20] <lotusleaf> Laforge commander data
[07:20] <Laforge> ok a ftp server for linux
[07:20] <hondje> You want an ftp server, I'd recommend using sftp if it's for a small number of people
[07:20] <Yock> of which there are several
[07:20] <Laforge> lol
[07:20] <lotusleaf> ;)
[07:20] <Laforge> ok i am not a trekie
[07:21] <iamnow> how open source are we here..lets change the name of the distro to whorehammerOS
[07:21] <lotusleaf> Laforge suuuuuure ;-)
[07:21] <tsume> I'm surprised someone hasn't made a good FTP client with wxWidgets, it is the best toolkit
[07:22] <Laforge> sftp is for windows
[07:22] <Yock> Laforge: huh?!
[07:22] <nickrud> REds, evolution has an edit->preferences menu selection
[07:22] <Yock> Laforge: sftp = ftp sub-system that piggybacks on SSHD
[07:22] <mattlins> How can I add programs to the Applications menu?
[07:22] <Laforge> http://winscp.net/eng/index.php
[07:23] <Laforge> then what is that
[07:23] <Yock> it's a secure ftp daemon
[07:23] <Laforge> so where can i get that
[07:23] <hondje> Laforge: No offense, but you should read up on this before you set up an ftp server
[07:23] <Yock> utilizing the SSHD session handling
[07:23] <hondje> Security and all
[07:23] <Laforge> on what?
[07:23] <Laforge> oh
[07:23] <holycow> Laforge, google your ass off on this topic
[07:23] <Yock> Laforge: what is it you wish to accomplish?
[07:24] <clay> yes it is
[07:24] <Laforge> host my website and run a FTP server on my linux box
[07:24] <Yock> Laforge: what is the purpose for the ftp server?
[07:24] <Laforge> to host download
[07:24] <hondje> anonymous access, personal use, few close friends?
[07:25] <Laforge> person and few close friends
[07:25] <Laforge> and i guess anonymous but mostly personal
[07:25] <Yock> I'm getting the impression Laforge would rather not disclose the nature of the content shared
[07:25] <hondje> well, if you're going to add a bit of anonymous, I'd use vsftpd
[07:25] <holycow> Laforge, spending some time learnign about linux, security and various issues surrounding that would go a long way to help you out
[07:25] <holycow> Laforge, your questions indicate that your skillevel is not up to par to do this without some risk
[07:26] <Yock> holycow: that stops very few people
[07:26] <Laforge> still a little undecided
[07:26] <holycow> Yock, yeah, well just a heads up anyway
[07:26] <hondje> hence the need for easy-to-secure servers like vsftpd....
[07:26] <hondje> I still say using sftp / scp / ssh is the way to go :)
[07:26] <Yock> vsftp has SSL capabilities I think
[07:26] <IIIEars> scp?
[07:26] <Yock> FTP/SSL is better than nothing
[07:26] <hondje> I think it does, but I don't mess with that sorta thing
[07:27] <Yock> IIIEars: secure copy protofol
[07:27] <hondje> IIIEars: secure copy
[07:27] <Yock> protoco;*
[07:27] <IIIEars> Ah - thanks
[07:27] <Yock> grrrr
[07:27] <hondje> You can copy from your computer to another one using it
[07:27] <Yock> you know what I mean
[07:27] <holycow> nautilus has ssh support, makes a nice vritual file transfer tool :)
[07:27] <kvidell> hehe
[07:27] <tsume> 01:24  * hondje wonders if sftp is part of the sshd package
[07:27] <hondje> scp /local/file/path user@host:/destination/path for example
[07:27] <tsume> oops
[07:27] <Yock> Laforge: just bear in mind that most FTP daemons use Unix authorization
[07:27] <tsume> vsftpd is the best ftp server
[07:27] <tsume> sftp is nice to have when security is a need
[07:28] <Yock> so if you don't encrypt the login you're passing your shell password cleartext over the internet
[07:28] <Yock> that's *very* bad
[07:28] <IIIEars> the best ftp server is bittorrent -j/k
[07:28] <hondje> holycow: But using nautilus for scp is pretty slow, I tried it once :(
[07:28] <tsume> Its best to use FTP with SSL ;)
[07:28] <tsume> or just use secure FTP
[07:28] <Yock> tsume: sftp/scp is far better
[07:28] <Strife> scp sucks
[07:28] <tsume> Yock: sometimes
[07:28] <Strife> sftp is where it's at
[07:28] <Yock> Strife: why?
[07:28] <Strife> Yock: because I don't like it
[07:28] <kvidell> I like ssh -L21:server:21 host
[07:28] <tsume> Yock: sftp doesn't support fxp ;)
[07:28] <kvidell> ;)
[07:28] <hondje> great for moving one or two files somewhere
[07:28] <Yock> sftp ~= scp
[07:28] <kvidell> then ftp to localhost:21
[07:29] <Yock> sftp and scp are nearly identical
[07:29] <hondje> they all are :)
[07:29] <Strife> Yock: sftp = sftp - scp?
[07:29] <tsume> oyasumi nasai
[07:29] <Laforge> ok ok, so i want security most of all so sftp and scp
[07:29] <Yock> usage differs, but both use the same exact session handling
[07:29] <Laforge> how do i do that?
[07:29] <hondje> Yock: remember that nfs over ssh thing Dave showed us? :D
[07:29] <Yock> hondje: very much so
[07:29] <IIIEars> too many acronyms - gotta google 'em - lol
[07:29] <Boohbah> acronymfinder.com
[07:30] <Strife> personally, I don't think that secure file transfer is really even all that necessary oftentimes, anyway
[07:30] <IIIEars> that sounds cool
[07:30] <hondje> I keep meaning to try it out...maybe then I can export my share at work to here at home
[07:30] <Yock> I just don't use NFS at home
[07:30] <Yock> else that's how I'd do it
[07:30] <hondje> It probably isn't, Strife, but I'm a wee bit paranoid
[07:30] <Strife> heh
[07:30] <Boohbah> Strife: your files must not be very important
[07:30] <Strife> no
[07:30] <Yock> Strife: I'm extremely paranoid
[07:30] <super_dude2> kvidell sorry again im back
[07:30] <Madpilot> do you think you've all buried the poor noob with enought technobabble yet: :)
[07:30] <Strife> files I transfer usually aren't that important to transfer securely
[07:30] <hondje> Yeah, Yock is off the wall :)
[07:30] <Strife> and what needs to be secure is already encrypted
[07:31] <IIIEars> nope - not yet. - (sponging it up.)
[07:31] <Yock> off the wall =)
[07:31] <hondje> I want secure so that I don't get jacked and lose priceless baby pics and videos on my computer
[07:31] <Yock> cute....
[07:31] <Boohbah> Strife: but you do know that ftp sends passwords plaintext
[07:31] <clay> EVERYONE USE TELNET
[07:31] <clay> ;)
[07:31] <Strife> Boohbah: yes
[07:31] <Strife> Boohbah: ok, so that's the only real reason to use scp/sftp
[07:31] <jay> hondje: you better back those up to cd if they're that priceless then :P
[07:31] <Yock> There's now a Ubuntu-Hardened now, right?
[07:32] <hondje> jay: Oh, they're backed up, but the principle stands
[07:32] <Strife> telnet sucks
[07:32] <Strife> it's all about ssh
[07:32] <Yock> I ssh into my server and run Mutt locally
[07:32] <Strife> mutt...
[07:32] <Strife> pshaw
[07:32] <Strife> I used to like mutt... but it's just a pain in the ass to configure
[07:32] <Yock> Strife: you don't approve?
[07:32] <holycow> ubuntu hardended?
[07:32] <Yock> oh
[07:32] <holycow> *giggle*
[07:32] <hondje> Yock: I saw something about ubuntu-hardened
[07:32] <Madpilot> seriously, telnetting into my email provider is a better method than webmail for anywhere-access...
[07:33] <super_dude2> kvidell im back
[07:33] <hondje> I'd love to see a hardend distro with stable X
[07:33] <holycow> i'd like to see that indeed
[07:33] <Yock> Strife: config is one of many hurdles
[07:33] <clay> hahah
[07:33] <clay> madpilot i knew you were going there
[07:33] <Laforge> ok i got sftp but scp i don't know
[07:33] <Strife> Gentoo!
[07:33] <holycow> but one that is hardened will not be released on 6 month cycles like ubuntu
[07:33] <Strife> Gentoo is cool, but man, takes to long to compile everything :P
[07:33] <Strife> of cousre, the last time I ran it was on a Duron 800
[07:33] <Yock> GRSecurity/PaX/PIC/PIE schema
[07:33] <hondje> I'd imagine not, but a hardened box wouldn't be a desktop with cutting edge stuff either, I'd hope
[07:33] <jay> hmm nupe
[07:33] <Strife> so on my current Athlon 3000 desktop, it might go faster
[07:34] <Yock> heh
[07:34] <Strife> but blah, I like sid for my desktop
[07:34] <Yock> <-- security-ricer
[07:34] <Strife> Ubuntu for the lappy
[07:34] <jay> Yock: oh so you're a soccer mom eh? ;)
[07:34] <hondje> I like ubuntu for the desktop, sarge for the footstool, and OS X for the missus
[07:34] <Strife> footstool, heh
[07:34] <Strife> OS X is awesome
[07:34] <holycow> hondje, agreed, i'm thinking debian with some of the hardened stuff applied on a permanent basis...
[07:34] <Strife> I wish I could afford a mac
[07:34] <hondje> I keep it under my desk
[07:34] <Yock> jay: I nail soccer moms for a living
[07:34] <clay> macs rock
[07:34] <jay> Yock: tmi
[07:34] <Yock> you bright it up...
[07:35] <holycow> but from what i read the hardened stuff, especially when you get linux acls going create all sorts of complexities ....
[07:35] <Yock> brought*
[07:35] <hondje> holycow: It'd be a lot of work to maintain, though, since unlike gentoo they'd have to compile in all the stuff themselves
[07:35] <Yock> holycow: writing an ACL is...complicated
[07:35] <holycow> even redhat is deploying acl support on a package by package basis as opposed to the whole distro
[07:35] <hondje> yeah, and they have real funding....
[07:35] <Yock> holycow: SELinux isn't the same, but it's basically an ACL
[07:35] <IIIEars> should i consider popping some hot glue into the ethernet port and dropping the box in a mylar bag? - lol
[07:35] <Strife> what's ACL?
[07:35] <Strife> Austin City Limits?
[07:35] <Strife> :)
[07:35] <holycow> Yock, yeah from what i read, gave me a headache ....
[07:35] <Yock> Access Control List
[07:35] <jay> Strife: access control list
[07:35] <hondje> Strife: access control list
[07:35] <Yock> holycow: I don't believe in SELinux
[07:36] <hondje> I bet you never forget that
[07:36] <jay> Yock: shouldn't have been banging those soccer moms and you may have been the 1st reply
[07:36] <Yock> it's based on some technologies that are theoretically exploitable
[07:36] <jay> +.5 for capitalization
[07:36] <Strife> lol
[07:36] <holycow> Yock, i think there might be somethign to say for basic unix file permissions, they aren't terribly flexible but are very easy to maintain
[07:36] <Strife> Yock: not to mention that SELinux is sponsored by the NSA
[07:36] <Strife> you know, the No Such Agency
[07:36] <hondje> I think unix perms suck
[07:36] <Yock> holycow: NIS is dated and insufficient for *REAL* implementations
[07:36] <ali4728> CAn anyone help for multiple website hosting on Ubuntu (Lamp) I managed the default one but dont know how to configure a second page!
[07:36] <IIIEars> Did IP Personality change names? - still updated?
[07:37] <hondje> thankfully, I'm a dumbass and let the smart guys change nis
[07:37] <Yock> Strife: all NSA sponsorship means is that they can break it
[07:37] <holycow> Yock, yeah i laready ran into a few situations ... true
[07:37] <Strife> Yock: that's my point
[07:37] <jay> linux acl's seem pretty nasty.  i like the idea trustees like netware and openafs has
[07:37] <holycow> what other options do we have?
[07:37] <Yock> GRSecurity ears the same C2 rating
[07:37] <jay> used to be a kernel hack for trustees
[07:37] <Strife> you know, if you are TRULY security paranoid, you should run OpenBSD :P
[07:37] <IIIEars> Great.
[07:37] <hondje> I like openBSD just for the misc list
[07:37] <holycow> i've heard a lot of good things about grsecurity, do they do the permissions thing differently from acls?
[07:37] <hondje> Theo is a troll KING
[07:38] <Yock> OBSD is fine, but I'm not a BSD fan
[07:38] <cyh> hello, how do i sort by columns with `sort` like  i want to sort by the third item in  a,1,bb,3   where the , represent the item place
[07:39] <super_dude2> Hello?
[07:39] <clay> HI
[07:39] <Yock> but anyway, system hardenning is more than a set of GCC flags and add-on software
[07:39] <teknomaniac> hi i'm new.i've installed drivers for my nvidia gf4 440mx and after that xmms stopped running,when i open xmms it close in 1 second later,what should i do ? or mayby someone know another good  mp3 player for gnome ?
[07:40] <holycow> Yock, indeed
[07:40] <jaysin> I'm sorry but i'm back guys
[07:40] <jay> teknomaniac: i suggest beep-media-player
[07:40] <hondje> I'll second that, BMP is nice
[07:40] <hondje> xmms but not ancient gtk
[07:41] <teknomaniac> ok thx i'll check beep..
[07:41] <Yock> what has become of the Ubuntu hardening effort?
[07:41] <jaysin> i got everything for limewire installed and everytime i try to open it, i get this error:"Java exec not found in PATH, starting auto-search...
[07:41] <jaysin> ls: /usr/java: No such file or directory
[07:41] <jaysin> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/java/  hierarchy
[07:41] <jaysin> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://www.java.com"
[07:41] <holycow> Yock, hows the support on linux?
[07:42] <IIIEars> << uses tissue and a comb?
[07:42] <Yock> holycow: for iTunes? non-existent
[07:42] <ali4728> Help Needed Virtual Hosting with ubuntu..
[07:42] <hondje> jaysin: type 'which java'
[07:42] <holycow> Yock, how sad, they rely on open source for their livelyhood but don't even want to port qt or itunes here
[07:42] <IIIEars> java -version
[07:42] <jaysin> Hondje:  in the terminal?
[07:42] <Yock> holycow: it isn't the interface at all
[07:42] <deFrysk> ubuntuguide.org has an easy way to setup azureus and java
[07:42] <hondje> jaysin: yessir
[07:43] <Yock> holycow: it's the DRM software. It comflicts with the GPL
[07:43] <hondje> 'which' tells you where something is, if it's in your path
[07:43] <holycow> btw, thx for the linkage to beep media player
[07:43] <Yock> conflicts...damnit I can't type
[07:43] <holycow> that looks much nicer than xmms
[07:43] <IIIEars> azureus - when good hardware goes bad... - lol
[07:43] <jaysin> Hondje:  it didnt do anything
[07:43] <hondje> jaysin: okay, you need to put java in your path
[07:43] <hondje> did you install java yet?
[07:43] <Yock> quite frankly I don't ever wanna see DRM software ported to Linux
[07:43] <jaysin> Hondje:  how do i do that?
[07:43] <hondje> That's why reiserfs is evil
[07:43] <holycow> Yock, well only for redistribution, it would be fine for them to create debs and rpms and such for that stuff ....
[07:44] <holycow> Yock, that i think i also agree with
[07:44] <Yock> holycow: it doens't matter what format it comes in
[07:44] <Mestapheles> does anyone know why xmms doesn't see /cdrom as it did on warty?
[07:44] <jay> hodgman: why what's reiser doin w/ drm?
[07:44] <Yock> the software violates the GPL and BSD licenses
[07:44] <jay> err hondje rather
[07:44] <hondje> jaysin: hold on :)
[07:44] <Yock> you'll never see it on a GPLd distro
[07:44] <teknomaniac> ok beep look nice and it's working thanks
[07:44] <jaysin> Hondje:  thanks :D
[07:44] <teknomaniac> bye
[07:44] <holycow> i've never heard of beep media player, nifty!
[07:44] <Yock> which is all of them...
[07:44] <hondje> jay: reiserfs is designed to make DRM really nice and easy
[07:44] <Yock> you'd have to remove the Linux kernel to put DRM on there
[07:45] <da_bon_bon> how do i set the default suspend-to partition (/dev/hda3 - my swap) in swsusp thats in kernel ? NOT swsusp2...
[07:45] <holycow> Yock, and which is fine frankly, i'm just thinking in terms of big picture, apple is a very greedy company
[07:45] <hondje> jaysin: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[07:45] <holycow> its not like asking for a qt player for linux is a huge deal
[07:45] <hondje> well, all companies are
[07:45] <Yock> holycow: I don't know about that. Apple is just a market niche player
[07:45] <IIIEars> gee - treat all of your users like potential criminals. - now thats good business practice.
[07:45] <holycow> *ooo* beep uses gnome file chooser
[07:45] <holycow> haha!
[07:45] <holycow> apt-get remove --purge xmms
[07:45] <hondje> holycow: yeah, beep kicks ass, I dunno why people still use xmms
[07:45] <brandonn> is there a way to determine what package provides a particular file?
[07:46] <holycow> hondje, i'd bet because no one heard of beep
[07:46] <deFrysk> hondje, whats wrong with xmms ?
[07:46] <hondje> deFrysk: Nothing, but beep is better
[07:46] <Yock> deFrysk: it's ugly for starters
[07:46] <brandonn> <-- never heard of beep
[07:46] <holycow> deFrysk, it uses gtk1 bindings i think
[07:46] <deFrysk> hondje, no its not
[07:46] <holycow> deFrysk, or some other crappy toolkit
[07:46] <hondje> well, better is rather subjective
[07:46] <holycow> do file/open and see for your self, doesnt use anything like gnome file chooser
[07:46] <holycow> ugly widgets
[07:46] <holycow> ... etc.
[07:47] <jaysin> Hondje:  "(gedit:10215): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[07:47] <jaysin> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed."
[07:47] <Yock> hondje: I think xmms fits in well with TWM ;-)
[07:47] <hondje> yeah, xmms hasn't changed since I first used it back like 5 years agio
[07:47] <jay> woohoo finally got rid of it!
[07:47] <hondje> beep has all of xmms's features, plus some
[07:48] <deFrysk> plus some ??
[07:48] <jay> hondje: well it can't use all the xmms plugins/visualizations yet
[07:48] <deFrysk> wich ?
[07:48] <holycow> does beep use w32 codecs?
[07:48] <hondje> jay: True
[07:48] <Yock> I'm a xine fan, myself
[07:48] <Mestapheles> hondje: where are music CDs  to be found for xmms.  It used to be /cdrom or /dev/cdrom .  These are empty now in hoary.
[07:48] <Strife> Yock: now THERE'S something we can agree on
[07:48] <Strife> xine > *
[07:48] <hondje> deFrysk: besides looking better, it doesn't do the weird things xmms did with xfce
[07:48] <jaysin> okay, i have to refresh the gnome panel... it'll kick me from here i'll brb
[07:49] <holycow> heh, finally a decent media player, i love this :)
[07:49] <deFrysk> beep only has looks further is an xmms rip
[07:49] <DAC1138> im having a problem compiling a program, i keep getting the error "cp: cannot stat `etc/00-xsvc.permissions': No such file or directory"
[07:49] <hondje> It's more than a rip, it's a blatent rip
[07:49] <Madpilot> anyone own a Canon ip2000 printer? They're on sale locally - any trouble in Ubuntu?
[07:49] <IIIEars> Streamtuner for beep media player?
[07:49] <hondje> It's xmms against gtk2
[07:49] <jay> deFrysk: well duh it's a fork!
[07:49] <DAC1138> ive never had this problem compiling the same program before on the warty ubuntu
[07:49] <jaysin> cancel that, i'm still here lol
[07:49] <Yock> Madpilot: www.linuxprinting.org
[07:49] <holycow> deFrysk, what hondje at least it uses a modern toolkit
[07:49] <hondje> yeah
[07:49] <hondje> I like eyecandy and consistancy
[07:50] <hondje> I'm a user, not a computer guy
[07:50] <jaysin> Hondje:  okay, i did all that and still nothing
[07:50] <Yock> hondje: that's like saying you only buy porn from one producer...
[07:50] <holycow> deFrysk, when i install ubuntu on their system, i want everyone to use only one file chooser, not a different one per app
[07:50] <hondje> hehe
[07:50] <deFrysk> holycow, then use rhythmbox
[07:50] <jay> Yock: well it all has the same outcome, doesn't it?
[07:50] <deFrysk> if you wnat consistancy
[07:50] <Yock> jay: you'd be surprised....
[07:50] <holycow> deFrysk, lol, ever use rhythm box?
[07:50] <holycow> ever try doing file/open ?
[07:50] <hondje> jaysin: scroll down that page a bit, and follow their limeware instructiojns :)
[07:51] <deFrysk> holycow, sure why not ?
[07:51] <holycow> heh just forget it, rhythmbox is just a bad idea imho
[07:51] <Mestapheles> can anyone spare a moment from self indulgence and please tell me where music CD can be accessed by xmms?
[07:51] <hondje> I like rhythmbox
[07:51] <clay> whats wrong with rhythmbox?
[07:51] <Madpilot> Yock: thnx, great resource.
[07:51] <hondje> Mestapheles: What do you mean?
[07:51] <deFrysk> rhythmbox is an exellent gnome app
[07:51] <Yock> Madpilot: no problem
[07:51] <holycow> clay, ... where do i start?
[07:51] <holycow> :)
[07:52] <jaysin> Hondje:  i did lol
[07:52] <clay> holycow: the only issue i've had with it is that it likes to die when you are importing a large amount of songs at once
[07:52] <Mestapheles> hondje: to play CDs I used to guide the dialog to /cdrom or /dev/cdrom so that xmms could create a playlist from which to play my CDs.  There is nothing in these dirs  anymore.
[07:53] <holycow> clay, my biggest thing is that it's based around the idea of metadata being more important than file structure
[07:53] <holycow> it seems to want to sort everything in all sorts of stupid ways
[07:53] <hondje> Mestapheles: Oh, I don't know, sorry
[07:53] <holycow> i just want it to play whats in a directory
[07:53] <hondje> I don't play CDs, they're all ripped
[07:53] <holycow> i don't have time to give a crap about organizing the stuff
[07:53] <Mestapheles> hondje: guess I'll use rhythmbox. thnks anyway
[07:53] <hondje> that's why I use rhythmbox, it does it for me
[07:54] <hondje> Mestapheles: I'm sorry, man
[07:54] <holycow> i do understand that is important to some people, and thats cool
[07:54] <deFrysk> Mestapheles, :)
[07:54] <Mestapheles> no prob
[07:54] <holycow> i just kinda go, i wanna listen to van halen, drag/drop dir into beep/whatever, done
[07:54] <Mestapheles> deFrysk: salutations
[07:54] <hondje> so, when oh WHEN is there going to be an evolution tray thingie?
[07:54] <hondje> they were talking about it on the ximinan lists like two years ago :(
[07:55] <jaysin> i think i'll go back to windows
[07:55] <Lupius> Hello i got a little question. Ist it possible to update my 4.10 ubuntu with a install cd from 5.04 ?
[07:55] <holycow> more importantly, when is evolution going to be split into separate apps
[07:55] <kane> hondje:  when you put it there
[07:55] <Yock> I was waiting for that
[07:55] <deFrysk> holycow, evolution is a suite
[07:55] <jay> Lupius: yeah just stick the CD in the drive
[07:55] <hondje> kane: But I lack code-fu :(
[07:55] <hondje> Maybe I can pay someone
[07:55] <jay> Lupius: and it'll ask you
[07:55] <deFrysk> like mozilla
[07:55] <Yock> hondje: it's GPL, who needs to pay
[07:55] <holycow> deFrysk, and that my friend, is its biggest problem
[07:55] <hondje> I'd pay for it
[07:56] <hondje> Like those bounties gnome had/has
[07:56] <deFrysk> holycow, no its a choice
[07:56] <bob2> hondje: offer up a bounty
[07:56] <holycow> tho frankly, thats not a complaint
[07:56] <holycow> its free, i'm happy
[07:56] <Lupius> jay k, 10x
[07:56] <bob2> Yock: if you can't code, you can get someone else to by offering them money
[07:56] <holycow> jaysin, whats the issue again?
[07:56] <Yock> bob2: I was more or less joking, I know how that works
[07:56] <bob2> ah
[07:56] <kane> jay you dont know much do you
[07:57] <hondje> plus a lot of the bigger projects will give you swag for $
[07:57] <jaysin> holycow:  when i try to open limewire i get this error: "Starting LimeWire...
[07:57] <jaysin> Java exec not found in PATH, starting auto-search...
[07:57] <jaysin> ls: /usr/java: No such file or directory
[07:57] <jaysin> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/java/  hierarchy
[07:57] <jaysin> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[07:57] <jaysin> "
[07:57] <Yock> PDPC gives me a nead hostmask
[07:57] <Yock> neat
[07:57] <kane> Lupius:  private and i''ll guide you through it
[07:57] <holycow> jaysin,  oh just install the 1.5 version
[07:57] <holycow> lemme find url for ya
[07:57] <jaysin> of java?
[07:57] <holycow> which instructions did you use for java?
[07:57] <hondje> jaysin: Did you follow that link I gave you, with the ln -s to put java linked in /usr/bin?
[07:57] <Yock> jaysin: number one: Which version did you install. Number two: what are you running that can't find it?
[07:58] <holycow> jaysin, yes, i bet you installed itusing one of the manual ways
[07:58] <holycow> one second lemme find url
[07:58] <Yock> holycow: it's all manual
[07:58] <hondje> oh no, it's .deb for java time :(
[07:58] <holycow> yock, stop smoking rock dude
[07:58] <Yock> there's more than one way to skin a cat
[07:58] <holycow> apt-get install java with right repository
[07:58] <holycow> wtf are you talking about?
[07:58] <jaysin> yock: Limewire
[07:58] <holycow> this is debian, nothing is manual
[07:58] <hondje> apt is good
[07:58] <holycow> if i want manual ill use lfs
[07:58] <Yock> apt is manual
[07:58] <hondje> but java, flash and nvidia are manual in hondje land
[07:59] <holycow> lol no
[07:59] <holycow> apt-get install everything, except xorg config file
[07:59] <holycow> and i'm certain someone is writing a gui for that too
[07:59] <hondje> Well, we'll just have to differ, sir
[07:59] <jaysin> afk for a sec... need a smoke
[07:59] <Yock> ugh
[07:59] <Yock> a gui for xorgconf?
[07:59] <holycow> jaysin, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[07:59] <hondje> apt-get install everything but java, nvidia and flash
[07:59] <Yock> that's about the most pathetic thing I've heard today
[07:59] <holycow> ad the repositores to your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[08:00] <hondje> How could you make a front end for xorg.conf?
[08:00] <holycow> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install  java-ubuntu sun-j2sdk1.5.0
[08:00] <holycow> and your done
[08:00] <Yock> hondje: very simply, but that isn't the point
[08:00] <holycow> done do the manual instruction stuff unless you know what yoru doing, or are taking the time to use those methods to learn
[08:00] <deFrysk> Yock, a gui when x is not up yet ???\
[08:00] <Yock> hondje: just fill fields
[08:00] <jaysin> how do i add repositories?
[08:00] <Yock> deFrysk: ever heard of ncurses and Perl/TK?
[08:00] <clay> uh
[08:01] <hondje> jaysin: You have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:01] <clay> there IS a gui for xorgconf
[08:01] <deFrysk> Yock, ok
[08:01] <hondje> But IIRC, synaptic lets you add repositories too
[08:01] <hondje> clay: oooh, link me
[08:01] <holycow> clay, your not talking about dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg are you?
[08:01] <gizban> How do I stop a daemon (like sshd), besides killing it with System Monitor?
[08:01] <Yock> and....*shudder*...svgalib
[08:01] <hondje> gizban: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh stop
[08:01] <deFrysk> holycow, thats what I use
[08:01] <holycow> gizban, sudo /etd/init.d/sshd stop
[08:01] <clay> what does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg call?
[08:01] <gizban> ok, thanks
[08:02] <hondje> ncurses, I think
[08:02] <hondje> hey, that's gui
[08:02] <Yock> I don't even wanna think about the laundry-list of major vulns recently for svgalib
[08:02] <deFrysk> hondje, but not gtk2
[08:02] <deFrysk> ;p
[08:02] <hondje> true
[08:02] <holycow> its not a gtk gui tho
[08:02] <clay> no, this is not a ncurses gui
[08:02] <clay> its not gtk either though
[08:02] <deFrysk> a gtk2 gui for x it pointless without x
[08:02] <hondje> hehe, true
[08:02] <Yock> deFrysk: not to make changes it isn't
[08:03] <Yock> it's worthless on it's own merit though
[08:03] <hondje> But, what can a front end really do, it just asks you to fill in fields, but that's what vim wants
[08:03] <jaysin> hondje:  "E: Couldn't find package java-ubuntu"
[08:03] <holycow> deFrysk, the point of it is NOT BEFORE a gdm session but AFTER your install
[08:03] <abarbaccia> hey all - i kinda locked myself out of my computer - i deleted the original user, created a new user, but don't have privlidges to do much
[08:03] <clay> xorgcfg is it
[08:03] <deFrysk> Yock, for that we have drackconf and other crap
[08:03] <Yock> I just use the script that came with xorg
[08:03] <holycow> the standard install makes some assumptions about yoru video monitor, mostly in that it doesnt' detect monitors and setup refresh rates for them
[08:03] <Yock> for my one box that has X....
[08:03] <hondje> I guess xorg.conf is intimidating for newbies
[08:04] <holycow> so you get people in here asking why they can only get 1024x768 @ 60hz instead of 1600x1200
[08:04] <hondje> certainly more so than synaptic, which seems to cause confusion....
[08:04] <deFrysk> Yock, kinda agree
[08:04] <abarbaccia> anybody here know how to add a user as a sudo'er
[08:04] <clay> but xorgcfg is just a glorified xorgconfig..
[08:04] <Yock> abarbaccia: visudo
[08:04] <IIIEars> no guess needed. it is.
[08:04] <holycow> hondje, indeed it is, its not hard for them to get used to, but at least if they had a yast like thingy where they can select the make and model of moni, and hit restart x ...
[08:04] <hondje> yeah, true
[08:04] <holycow> that would answer a lot of 'why cant i get full res on  moni' questions
[08:04] <abarbaccia> Yock, how do i get to a root term to do that?
[08:04] <hondje> after a few years, I forget that it's not clear and easy to read xorg.conf
[08:05] <holycow> hondje, same here
[08:05] <Yock> abarbaccia: use su?
[08:05] <abarbaccia> no
[08:05] <jaysin> lol speaking of monitors... a lot of things are out of my viewing area....
[08:05] <abarbaccia> i dont know how to su - dont know the password
[08:05] <Yock> you don't know the root password on your own box?!!!?
[08:05] <clay> xorg.conf/xf86config.conf has not changed over the years
[08:05] <hondje> that, and newbies seem to not get package managers, which confuses me
[08:05] <holycow> hondje, i know a windows admin thats a bright guy trying to move to redhat ... the dude cannot grasp text config files
[08:05] <hondje> Yock: ubuntu doesn't set up root passwd
[08:05] <clay> its still as difficult as it was many years ago when a lot of us started using it
[08:05] <holycow> hondje, if its not in a gui for him he has a hard time with it
[08:05] <abarbaccia> they don't make a root password
[08:05] <holycow> its weird
[08:05] <Yock> hondje: oh dear...
[08:05] <clay> its just that distros have gotten better at detecting the hardware
[08:05] <bob2> Yock: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:05] <Yock> hondje: wait.
[08:05] <hondje> Yock: But it uses sudo, ALL=ALL
[08:06] <abarbaccia> anybody know how to fix me?! I think i deleted all privlidges for everything
[08:06] <Yock> bob2: yes, I remember now
[08:06] <hondje> holycow: I can relate to that
[08:06] <jaysin> the su pass should be your pass
[08:06] <hondje> I get lost in windows, trying to change settings
[08:06] <Yock> you guys rely on the ALL sudo directive...
[08:06] <jaysin> ... i think
[08:06] <bob2> abarbaccia: what exactly did you do?
[08:06] <hondje> It's not a great idea, IMHO, though the aim is noble
[08:06] <holycow> hondje, heh, i havent used xp at all having switched to linux, and now trying to use the xp gui is hell for me
[08:06] <holycow> i cant find anything without swtiching to the classic layout
[08:06] <Yock> hondje: it takes away one root user and makes an entire group root
[08:07] <abarbaccia> bob2, well, first i made a new user with Admin privilidges (so i thought), then i loged in as him, and deleted the other user
[08:07] <holycow> and people tell me windows is intuitive :)
[08:07] <hondje> holycow: I dropped windows in 2000, don't touch it for more than a few minutes a month (mostly to download docs from my webserver and print)
[08:07] <abarbaccia> and now i can't sudo
[08:07] <gizban> is there a way to get thunderbird to pop-up messages like it does in XP?
[08:07] <hondje> I don't think windows is intuitive
[08:07] <Yock> abarbaccia: if the user is in group admin then you're set
[08:07] <hondje> I think gnome and os x are, and e17 :)
[08:07] <abarbaccia> Yock, i have a feeling it's not
[08:07] <Yock> By the way, question for all who might have input:
[08:08] <Yock> What is the justification for not setting up a root user?
[08:08] <hondje> not me, I'm not a computer guy Yock
[08:08] <hondje> I'm a science troll
[08:08] <IIIEars> abarbaccia - will adding your new user to the etc/sudoers file fix it?
[08:08] <hondje> I think it's a good idea, in theory
[08:08] <holycow> Yock, for running only a single command at a time as root
[08:08] <Yock> Why take root privs out of the hands of a single user and put them in the hands of an enture group?
[08:08] <clay> yock: why do you need root when you have sudo?
[08:08] <hondje> But having sudo set up the way it is isn't a good idea
[08:08] <bob2> abarbaccia: if you managed to delete user1 as user2, you have root access
[08:08] <abarbaccia> IIIEars, im sure you need to be root to do that
[08:08] <holycow> if you are logged in as root and run a compromised app, that app has access to the whole system
[08:08] <Yock> clay: I don't think you understand sudo
[08:08] <hondje> I think some things should require you to set up root to mess with, like iptables
[08:08] <abarbaccia> right - but it's not letting me do anything now
[08:08] <clay> yock: oh buti do
[08:08] <abarbaccia> let me log out and back in
[08:08] <g14> Yock: Root is the only priviliged account every cracker knows. They don't know the username to your other priviliged (sudo) users
[08:08] <holycow> sudoing a command thats compromised only gives the compromise access to what that command has access too
[08:09] <holycow> Yock, in other works limiting root priviledges severely
[08:09] <g14> Yock: Makes a hackers initial work much harder
[08:09] <Yock> g14: security by obsecurity only lasts for so long
[08:09] <g14> Yock: Thats not fully security by obscurity
[08:09] <hondje> I think they should limit sudo more
[08:09] <holycow> the catch is that now the default user pass is root, which means we have a whole world of ubuntu users with shitass weak passwords as root passwords
[08:09] <holycow> *grrrrr*
[08:09] <IIIEars> he could of used an install cd and mounted the directory no?
[08:09] <g14> Yock: Alot of idiots like to login and irc as root. This prevents that
[08:09] <hondje> if you need to mess with other stuff, you probably already know how to set up root
[08:10] <Yock> g14: but user passwords are very weak
[08:10] <Yock> almost always...
[08:10] <holycow> if any ubuntu devs are listening, you need a priviledge ADMIN and an unpriviledge USER acount by default on ubuntu, mk???
[08:10] <hondje> not mine!
[08:10] <holycow> :)
[08:10] <g14> Yock: Regardless, sudo -s is a root shell
[08:10] <hondje> agreed
[08:10] <clay> yock: if you were as security minded as you claim, you wouldn't ask questions like this
[08:10] <Yock> and this puts root privs in the hands of a weakly protected user account
[08:10] <g14> Yock: Maybe your users, I use cracklib :)
[08:10] <Yock> so do I...
[08:10] <holycow> Yock, indeed it does
[08:10] <holycow> Yock, its easily solved too, but i have yet to get anyone to agree with the admin/user setup :)
[08:11] <hondje> I agree with it, holycow
[08:11] <g14> holycow: No, I agree with that completely
[08:11] <hondje> an extra layer
[08:11] <abarbaccia> OKAY, no dice still - i can't do anything - im not in the sudoers file
[08:11] <clay> most users who need root access will only use sudo for what they can't do as a regular use
[08:11] <holycow> woot! 3 down, a million to go
[08:11] <Yock> clay: we should agree to disagree on this I'm afraid. Telling me I should be asking this questions points to a fundamental disagreement in how security should be approached
[08:11] <holycow> heh
[08:11] <hondje> One oddball thing, you NEED root for ethereal
[08:11] <jay> abarbaccia: are you in the admin group?
[08:11] <abarbaccia> jay, how do i tell?
[08:11] <jay> abarbaccia: type groups in terminal
[08:11] <holycow> hondje, i think thats because it needs to access packet stuff at a very low level tho
[08:12] <abarbaccia> it says abarbaccia fax tape
[08:12] <hondje> yeah, but it broke from the sudo scheme :)
[08:12] <holycow> hondje, i'm no kernel hacker, but i doubt userland has access to those types of thing
[08:12] <hondje> I wouldn't know either
[08:12] <jay> abarbaccia: is this not the user you created when you installed the system?
[08:12] <Yock> holycow: talking about ethereal?
[08:12] <hondje> Yock: yes, we are
[08:12] <abarbaccia> nope, different user
[08:12] <clay> yock: openbsd works this way. it is generally bad practice to use root and only use su or sudo to do what you need.
[08:12] <abarbaccia> deleted that other user from this user
[08:12] <g14> hondje: putting a network interface in promiscuious requires the NET_RAW capability? That is one of the linux capabilities that requires root
[08:12] <holycow> Yock, yeah
[08:12] <HrdwrBoB> Yock: ubuntu is squarely aimed at the desktop user, sudo is better for them, if you don't like it; don't use it!
[08:12] <hondje> g14 I see.  Is it work-aroundable?
[08:12] <jay> abarbaccia: use your first user.  if you want the new user to be your main user add him to the admin group
[08:13] <abarbaccia> that user was deleted
[08:13] <jay> abarbaccia: adduser <user> <group> i think
[08:13] <g14> hondje: Yes, only with something like SELinux or Systrace
[08:13] <hondje> that's twice I've seen the 'don't like it, don't use it' arguement
[08:13] <hyphenated> hondje: when you run 'ethereal', you should get a prompt for your password
[08:13] <jay> abarbaccia: you'll have to boot into single user mode then to fix it
[08:13] <hyphenated> hondje: that prompt should have 'ignore' on it somewhere
[08:13] <abarbaccia> jay, how do i do that and what do i do once im there
[08:13] <g14> hondje: I have been slowly migrating to systrace enabled on my important production servers
[08:13] <hondje> hyphenated: I'll have to check it out, I was just pointing to an inconsitency
[08:13] <hyphenated> hondje: but you won't be able to do much except read through pre-captured traces using ethereal as a viewer. won't be able to capture anything
[08:14] <hondje> yeah
[08:14] <hyphenated> (ethereal still has its uses in unprivileged mode)
[08:14] <Madpilot> g'night, all
[08:14] <hondje> it does, but I'm just saying it doesn't fit in the sudo scheme :)
[08:14] <jay> abarbaccia: in the grub menu where all the available system sot boot are listed, hit e for edit (the commands are listed on the screen).  then edit the kernel line and put 1 on the very end of that line.  then hit b to boot the system.  it'll boot into a root shell.  there add your new user to the admin group.  adduser user admin
[08:15] <IIIEars> nice tip
[08:15] <abarbaccia> jay, thanks bud - i'll let ya know how it went
[08:15] <hondje> I just think, from using ubuntu this last month for everything, that security needs to be tightened a bit
[08:15] <g14> hondje: do man capabilities. A sniffer needs CAP_NET_RAW and CAP_NET_ADMIN
[08:16] <hondje> g14: oh, that's a nice page, thank you
[08:16] <jay> hondje: what can be done that's practical?
[08:16] <g14> hondje: I would have given it to you earlier, but I kept mistyping it.
[08:16] <hondje> I like what holycow suggests
[08:17] <g14> hondje: If your sersious enough about security on a (non-gui) server I suggest systrace: http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/systrace/ If anyone cares, it ships with OpenBSD
[08:17] <hondje> g14: Right now for security on the footstool I use just ol' debian sarge and watch it closely, change defaults and stuff
[08:18] <hondje> I'm thinking about putting gentoo hardended on it, but I'm not very tech savvy
[08:18] <Lafitte-> i wonder how many people tried to upgrade to breezy   and killed the system  like me    rofl
[08:18] <deFrysk> <--killad it
[08:18] <Lafitte-> deFrysk, hehhe    i had ot start all over     grin
[08:19] <Lafitte-> finally got mine wokring like was before
[08:19] <abarbaccia> THANK YOU JAY!
[08:19] <clay> why do you want to run breezy?
[08:19] <g14> hondje: systrace will automaticly generate policies for you and it's MUCH easier than SELinux to write or edit policies
[08:19] <holycow> jaysin, you got it workin?
[08:19] <deFrysk> clay, sucker for updates
[08:19] <clay> hah
[08:19] <hondje> over all, I'm extremely pleased with ubuntu on my desktop, only a few things irk me, and the sudo implementation is one of them
[08:19] <IIIEars> read the dev mailing list and "be afraid be very afraid." - lol
[08:19] <Amaranth> hmm, i think it's time for another tease
[08:19] <holycow> g14, really? okay i'vbe not heard of that i gotta google it
[08:19] <Amaranth> Smeg 0.6 is done
[08:19] <hondje> g14: Can it have intelligent defaults for newbies?
[08:19] <holycow> g14, is it widely used?
[08:20] <clay> defrysk: need the bleeding edge, eh?
[08:20] <clay> :)
[08:20] <Amaranth> just waiting on a bugfix in pyxdg to release it :D
[08:20] <g14> holycow: It is in OpenBSD!
[08:20] <IIIEars> Nice work Amaranth.
[08:20] <deFrysk> clay, something like that yup
[08:20] <g14> holycow: http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/systrace/
[08:20] <holycow> g14, that right there basically qualifies it for me
[08:20] <holycow> thank you:)
[08:20] <holycow> oh and thx for linkage
[08:20] <g14> holycow: And the same for me
[08:20] <holycow> appreciate it
[08:20] <Amaranth> actually, since i have to wait i might as well implement drag-and-drop menu moving
[08:20] <hondje> Amaranth: oh, you made the menu editor, right?
[08:20] <hondje> thank you for that, very helpful to have :)
[08:21] <IIIEars> pease add md5summing - (begs on bended knee.)
[08:21] <holycow> btw everyone say thx to Amaranth for the menu editor :)
[08:21] <g14> holycow: The kernel patches and policy generation are pretty straightforeward. The mailinglist is really helpful too
[08:21] <Amaranth> hondje: you're welcome
[08:21] <Amaranth> holycow: The best way to say thank you is cash. ;)
[08:21] <holycow> Amaranth, LOL :)
[08:21] <jaysin> holycow2: lol nope
[08:21] <jaysin> oops
[08:21] <jaysin> holycow: lol nope
[08:21] <IIIEars> Amaranth - really nice menu editor.
[08:22] <holycow> Amaranth, my goal is to get a business going around some of this stuff and start donating percentages
[08:22] <holycow> jaysin, where are you stuck?
[08:22] <deFrysk> thx to Amaranth for the menu editor
[08:22] <deFrysk> never used it but hey
[08:22] <hondje> Amaranth: How ubuntu-specific is it?
[08:22] <g14> holycow: Around what kind of stuff?
[08:22] <jaysin> i downloaded the new java, i click to install it and nothing happens
[08:22] <hondje> One of my friends (freerock) packages freerock gnome for slack
[08:22] <jaysin> i'm totally lost on how to install thinfs
[08:22] <Amaranth> hondje: 0.5 known to work on gentoo and 0.3 is known to work on freebsd
[08:23] <mattlins> I'm having java problems as well
[08:23] <hondje> oh, neat, I'll tell him about it :-)
[08:23] <holycow> g14, i'm toying with lots of things, i think i will focus in tightly around providing back end services to mid sized companies
[08:23] <IIIEars> lol - the paint isn't dry on the update and others want it for different distros. - heh
[08:23] <holycow> intranets, file serving, webserving etc.
[08:23] <hondje> only app I made that anyone used was a small matlab script :)
[08:23] <holycow> you can push out an entire application stack on debian sarge in record time
[08:23] <g14> holycow: send me an email, I have some really really good ideas and already a few devs working with me
[08:23] <g14> holycow: jeff.schroeder2@us.army.mil
[08:23] <holycow> heh
[08:24] <holycow> k. sec.
[08:24] <hondje> nothing like a .mil address to differentiate oneself
[08:24] <g14> holycow: I've been scouting for some fellow linux geeks to help me out down the road also
[08:24] <g14> hondje: And you know this :)
[08:24] <hondje> hehe, yessir
[08:24] <g14> network admin is really a side job
[08:24] <g14> Officially, I fly UAVs
[08:24] <IIIEars> wonders how many jeffschroeders there are in the military
[08:25] <g14> aka remote control spy planes
[08:25] <g14> 2
[08:25] <holycow> g14, sent
[08:25] <hondje> officially, I make pretty pictures with gnuplot for a living
[08:25] <IIIEars> hello nickrud.
[08:25] <Anubis> wanna break FF
[08:25] <nickrud> IIIEars, how are you
[08:25] <Anubis> try saving pictures
[08:25] <hondje> time to watch a movie with the missus
[08:26] <Anubis> what has happend to Firefox?
[08:26] <IIIEars> nickrud - Amaranth added more to the menu editor. :)
[08:26] <nickrud> Anubis, maybe a better question is what did you do to firefox :)
[08:26] <DR_K13> uavs  sweet
[08:26] <nickrud> IIIEars, so 0.6 is released?
[08:27] <IIIEars> yes
[08:27] <Amaranth> no
[08:27] <ali4728_> Help how can I open a port ?
[08:27] <Amaranth> waiting on a pyxdg fix
[08:27] <Pupeno> Does anybody has a good explanation why a firewall/masquerader work perfectly well with firestarter while with guarddog/guidedog works well as long as I access the services thru telnet (telnet somewhere 25, telnet somewhere 110, etc) or dig, but all KDE applications fail to access internet (Konqueror, Kontact) ?
[08:28] <Anubis> nickrud, dude I told you
[08:28] <Anubis> try to save a photo
[08:28] <Anubis> I darn you
[08:28] <Anubis> dare
[08:28] <abarbaccia> okay can someone assist me on figuring out why i don't have sound anymore?
[08:29] <nickrud> Anubis, sorry, I just started reading
[08:29] <nickrud> IIIEars, it's not on his site, yet
[08:29] <Amaranth> IIIEars, nickrud: I'm waiting on a pyxdg fix.
[08:30] <abarbaccia> anybody here know anything about sound - and what service died so that it no longer works for me
[08:30] <Amaranth> IIIEars, nickrud: Otherwise empty menus containing empty menus will appear to be visible in smeg
[08:30] <Pupeno> no idea ?
[08:30] <abarbaccia> i have no volume in the corner
[08:31] <nickrud> Amaranth, that was not clear, but doesn't sound good :\
[08:31] <Amaranth> abarbaccia: readd the volume control applet to the panel
[08:31] <Amaranth> abarbaccia: right click on the panel, choose add to panel
[08:32] <abarbaccia> it doesnt show up - i don't think it recognises my device anymore
[08:32] <abarbaccia> something got screwed up
[08:32] <Amaranth> nickrud: If you have an empty menu that has only empty menus as children it doens't show up in the menus. However, pyxdg says it should be showing up, which is the bug I need fixed.
[08:33] <abarbaccia> is there anything i can run to redetect my soundcard?
[08:35] <nickrud> Amaranth, will there be new gnome cvs snapshots in the repository?
[08:35] <nickrud> or the same?
[08:35] <Amaranth> it shouldn't require another gnome-menus update, the one 0.5 needed should do
[08:36] <Amaranth> but i'm on breezy and have 2.11.1, so i don't know for sure
[08:36] <nickrud> Amaranth, so you know the X fix, eh ;)
[08:36] <Amaranth> yeah, it's simple
[08:36] <Amaranth> don't run breezy though ;)
[08:36] <nickrud> haha
[08:37] <Amaranth> X is going to break more before it gets better
[08:37] <nickrud> I'm kinda thinking August or so
[08:37] <Amaranth> and since X is changing lots of apps are breaking too because they make stupid assumptions
[08:37] <abarbaccia> august should be good
[08:37] <Amaranth> well, their assumptions have been good for the past 11 years, but still
[08:37] <abarbaccia> yea, everybody building for the universe isnt taking into consideration that major changes are still underway
[08:38] <nickrud> if I really get the need for an update fix, I'll fiddle with unstable
[08:39] <nickrud> I haven't updated for a couple of months, I'm sure there's lots there :)
[08:40] <nickrud> Anubis, you still there?
[08:41] <Anubis> ok
[08:41] <Anubis> this is the 3rd time Firefox has hard locked the entire system
[08:42] <Anubis> this is not unix like at all
[08:42] <Anubis> more windows like
[08:42] <dr_willis> hmmm
[08:42] <Anubis> and at least windows gives a vsod or reboots or something
[08:42] <nickrud> Anubis, and you said you were trying to save a photo
[08:42] <Pupeno> Does anybody know a firewall configurator that works (including UDP port opening), with a GUI (like guarddog/guidedog) ?
[08:42] <Anubis> not just hard lock
[08:42] <Anubis> I could not get a tty
[08:42] <Anubis> or nothing
[08:42] <Amaranth> that's what a hard lock is
[08:42] <brandonn> Pupeno: firestarter
[08:42] <Anubis> the phot issue is non related
[08:43] <Anubis> the photo issue only froze FF
[08:43] <nickrud> Anubis, I would hope so
[08:43] <Anubis> the system was still good
[08:43] <Pupeno> Amaranth: how do you open/allow an UDP port on firestarter ?
[08:43] <Anubis> but this time
[08:43] <fabbione> Anubis: architecture? kernel? distro?
[08:43] <Anubis> I clicked a link
[08:43] <Amaranth> Pupeno: I don't use firestarter.
[08:43] <Anubis> and the last thing I saw was component not loadedor something like that
[08:44] <nickrud> Anubis, what was the link?
[08:44] <Pupeno> Amaranth: ok, it doesn't provide a way to allow UDP ports to work.
[08:44] <Anubis> fabbione, x86 k7 kernel ubuntu
[08:44] <Anubis> nickrud, uhhh can't give you the link;)
[08:44] <fabbione> what version of the kernel? what release of ubuntu (clearly we are on ubuntu)
[08:44] <Anubis> hoary
[08:44] <Amaranth> 2.6.10 or 2.6.11?
[08:45] <Amaranth> uname -r
[08:45] <nickrud> Anubis, heh, that's actually a bit of a relief, I wasn't sure I wanted to hit it
[08:45] <Pupeno> someone else has a recomendation ?
[08:45] <Anubis> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-k7 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:56:05 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:46] <Amaranth> Anubis: You're going to have to give the link or give another link that does the same thing.
[08:46] <fabbione> Anubis: what version of firefox?
[08:46] <Amaranth> Anubis: So others can reproduce.
[08:46] <Anubis> i'm aout ot try the link with epiphany
[08:46] <cikilin> help me please
[08:46] <Anubis> Amaranth, I know
[08:46] <Anubis> working on it
[08:46] <Anubis> I have epiphany galeon and mozilla and FF
[08:47] <Anubis> I kno wthey are all related
[08:47] <Anubis> but sometimes its just FF
[08:47] <Anubis> and this is the latest FF 1.04
[08:47] <Amaranth> yeah, they all use the same engine
[08:47] <hondje> Does galeon use gecko?
[08:47] <Amaranth> but FF uses an older version of gecko since they branched
[08:47] <Anubis> saving a photo to a dir with a lot of photos in it freezes FF
[08:47] <Anubis> I thought it was just me
[08:47] <Anubis> until I read another user oon dslreports with the same problem
[08:48] <JairunCaloth> what's a good movie player?
[08:48] <Anubis> totem
[08:48] <Anubis> mplayer
[08:48] <Anubis> xine
[08:48] <Anubis> take your pick
[08:48] <Amaranth> vlc > *
[08:48] <ice_1963> xine
[08:48] <Anubis> ogle
[08:48] <JairunCaloth> which one plays .wmvs easier
[08:48] <ice_1963> \=)
[08:49] <pablo928> totem, mplayer and my favorite xine
[08:49] <toby_> hi
[08:49] <hondje> sometimes it doesn't work, like for my fantasia dvd :(
[08:49] <toby_> anyone here having problems with their mouse settings... my speed setting doesnt seem to affect at all, and the speed is too fast
[08:49] <cikilin> what is doing rm -rf ~/.synaptic?
[08:50] <hhurtta> cikilin: totally removes .synaptic without asking questions
[08:50] <cikilin> so if i do this i'll do not have synaptic?
[08:51] <hhurtta> no
[08:51] <hhurtta> it just removes synaptics configs from your homedir
[08:51] <cikilin> because i want synaptic like initial
[08:52] <hhurtta> initial?
[08:52] <hhurtta> like it is when you first time run ubuntu
[08:52] <hhurtta> ?
[08:52] <cikilin> when i installed ubuntu i can see many packages
[08:52] <cikilin> now i see only the installed ones
[08:53] <hhurtta> try tweaking preferences in synaptic
[08:53] <hhurtta> or remove that .synaptic
[08:53] <cikilin> i dont know how
[08:53] <hhurtta> i cant help more, coz i don't have ubuntu on hand now
[08:54] <hhurtta> just run that  rm -rf ~/.synaptic on commandline
[08:54] <toby_> is there an apt-get command to install wine
[08:54] <cikilin> k
[08:56] <ice_1963> sudo apt-get install wine =)
[08:56] <toby_> thx
[08:56] <Amaranth> make sure you get winesetuptk too
[08:56] <ice_1963> ok
[08:56] <toby_> is there a dir command to list stuff inside a hidden .folder
[08:56] <clay> ls. folder
[08:56] <clay> er
[08:56] <clay> ls .folder
[08:57] <toby_> thanx
[08:57] <ice_1963> sudo apt-cache search ok
[08:57] <toby_> where should i save a folder with icons for gnome, it says i should put it in home/user/.icons but i dont see them listed under gnome themes
[09:00] <RichardC> hey
[09:00] <RichardC> whenever i run glxgears, i get this:
[09:01] <RichardC> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:01] <RichardC> load "dri" is in the module section of xorg.conf
[09:01] <RichardC> anyone know how to fix this?
[09:02] <k31th> out of interest i wonder if anyone has got iexplorer or msn workin in wine
[09:02] <RichardC> heh
[09:02] <nickrud> toby_, cd ~/.icons && tar xzf /path/to/file/you/downloaded should work
[09:02] <kestas> k31th: the wine in ubuntu doesnt run iexplore
[09:02] <toby_> thax nickrud
[09:02] <k31th> seems my banks business site doesnt work in firefox etc
[09:03] <kestas> theyre going to be missing out on a lot of business then
[09:03] <k31th> true
[09:04] <pablo928>  k31th: why would we/
[09:04] <k31th> im so used to using linux now id rather not use windows just for banking
[09:04] <k31th> seems i have no choice
[09:04] <clay> mail em
[09:04] <k31th> i did personal banking with them and it worked fine
[09:04] <clay> tell them it doesn't work
[09:05] <k31th> HSBC please redesign your business banking
[09:05] <clay> its not redesigning
[09:05] <kane> screw anybody that uses M$ crap
[09:05] <ice_1963> were can i get Libdvdcss2 for xine ??
[09:06] <count0nz> k31th, why do thay use ActiveX or something stupid ?
[09:06] <pablo928>  k31th: tell your bank that you're thinking of changing banks
[09:06] <IIIEars> Can options be added easily to right click on a file?
[09:06] <clay> just changing a few tags to be more standards compliant is all that is probably needed
[09:06] <IIIEars> md5sum is missing.
[09:06] <Pupeno> k31th: and blog about it.
[09:06] <kane> i wouldn't trust a bank on windows
[09:06] <k31th> i agree
[09:06] <IIIEars> << - calls the bank - wide grin
[09:06] <k31th> windows running bank software
[09:06] <k31th> is never good
[09:07] <k31th> comapnys think oh its safe as its microsoft
[09:07] <IIIEars> Microsoft wallet. - rofl
[09:07] <clay> k31th: are you sure its not just firefox blocking pop up windows?
[09:07] <k31th> idiots
[09:07] <nickrud> IIIEars, as easy as gtklp $NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_SELECTED_FILE_PATHS in a bash script in .gnome2/nautilus-scripts
[09:07] <k31th> clay: it popsup saying browser not supported
[09:07] <clay> ah
[09:07] <k31th> please use iexplorer 6 ot above
[09:07] <IIIEars> Thank You nickrud (hug) - don't tell my wife....
[09:07] <count0nz> I am pretty Security smart when it comesto IE/Windows etc.. i run firewalls. AV stuff and i STILL get stupid keylogers... and Linux is just so much more secure i whuldent trust Windows todo banking period.
[09:07] <toby_> how do i save changes and exit "pico" from the console
[09:08] <Pupeno> k31th: konqueror as an identity lier for those cases.
[09:08] <hhurtta> toby_: save ctrl-o
[09:08] <batma8> anyone a pro in here at gettin wireless to work
[09:08] <k31th> toby_:  ctrl x then type y  to save
[09:08] <kane> i dunno i use bank that uses linux
[09:08] <hhurtta> save and exi xtrl-x
[09:08] <k31th> Pupeno: really ill try it then
[09:08] <count0nz> Try telling the browerer to lie :)
[09:08] <k31th> im running gnome tho
[09:08] <toby_> ty
[09:08] <Pupeno> k31th: maybe mozilla can, I don't know about firefox, surely there's a plug in for that, but please, call your bank anyway.
[09:09] <k31th> spose its possible to run conq
[09:09] <Pupeno> k31th: it is.
[09:09] <k31th> i will
[09:09] <Pupeno> k31th: you may have to install lots of dependencies to get it, but it'll run.
[09:09] <kane> use konqueror
[09:09] <Pupeno> There's a list somewhere of the banks that worked on konqueror.
[09:09] <k31th> nice
[09:09] <toby_> anyone know a possible cause why ubuntu isnt detecting my laptop battery
[09:10] <clay> konq would probably be a lot easier than to install wine/ie anyway
[09:10] <Anubis> yeah FF is counting every damn pic in the directory before it save the one
[09:10] <kane> hell mine works with net+ in beos
[09:10] <Anubis> sending CPU load to 100%
[09:11] <Amaranth> Anubis: That's not firefox, that's GTK.
[09:11] <Anubis> system still up though
[09:11] <Anubis> oh
[09:11] <nickrud> toby_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops has a lot of info about that
[09:11] <k31th> LOL look wat this dick has wrote about google tool bar in his blog
[09:11] <k31th> http://blog.aqute.com/
[09:12] <toby_> thx
[09:12] <liable> batma8: you have the drivers for the card?
[09:13] <liable> !webmin
[09:13] <k31th> webmin pwns
[09:13] <liable> oops
[09:14] <k31th> any recomends for a new laptop iicba
[09:14] <k31th> atm i have some toshiba satalite pro 2.5ghz celeron
[09:14] <k31th> might just  get anouther battery and some more ram for it
[09:15] <k31th> it sux dont it
[09:15] <k31th> i hate all addon tool bars
[09:15] <jaysin> *is about to throw his computer out the window*
[09:15] <nickrud> k31th, hp is promising that some of their laptops will be designed so all the hardware is supported by ubuntu
[09:15] <hhurtta> :)
[09:15] <count0nz> k31th, agree
[09:16] <k31th> nickrud: awsome
[09:16] <k31th> linux supports my laptop fine
[09:16] <k31th> ubuntu worked right out of the box
[09:16] <k31th> i no longer use debain on the desktop saves me time using ubuntu
[09:16] <k31th> and iv stopped using gentoo as well
[09:17] <count0nz> k31th, U rocks
[09:17] <nickrud> k31th, heh
[09:17] <count0nz> k31th, another gentoo convert :)
[09:17] <Anubis> mozilla 1.7.6 does not suffer from the same problem
[09:17] <k31th> battery life has gone up on the laptop not having to recompile every package i install he he
[09:17] <k31th> count0nz: iv always been a debian user
[09:18] <Anubis> now lets see if FF locks the system with this link again
[09:18] <count0nz> k31th, me too
[09:18] <k31th> right be back in 45 mins im driving to work
[09:18] <kane> Anubis:  is the M$ update site
[09:19] <Fator_Dee> hello
[09:19] <Shufla> hello :d
[09:20] <norm_> if my touchpad speed and accelerations isn't affected by the settings i set in System -> Preferences -> Mouse, how do i change it? :)
[09:20] <toby_> apt-get install is to get and whats the equivalent to UNINSTALL ?
[09:20] <Shufla> toby_: dpkg --purge
[09:20] <norm_> toby_, apt-get remove :)
[09:20] <count0nz> toby remove
[09:20] <toby_> norm i have the same problem
[09:20] <toby_> thanks
[09:21] <toby_> norm settings arent affecting my touchpad either lol
[09:21] <norm_> toby_, i've heard something about the touchpad being controlled by the synaptics-driver but i have no idea how to change those settings :)
[09:21] <toby_> i have no idea either
[09:21] <toby_> its probably a text file somewhere lol
[09:21] <toby_> does wine have a GUI interface?
[09:22] <Fator_Dee> look through /etc/ :-)
[09:22] <norm_> Fator_Dee, that'd take days ;)
[09:22] <count0nz> read the source :)
[09:22] <norm_> count0nz, that'd take years - i'm going for /etc ;)
[09:22] <Fator_Dee> norm_: but you'd find it! ;-)
[09:22] <norm_> Fator_Dee, not likely :P
[09:22] <toby_> norm try doing a files search
[09:22] <count0nz> norm_, np
[09:23] <nici> anyone knows how to get the script fpr psnup?
[09:24] <toby_> anyone know what this means
[09:24] <toby_> im trying to install "winetools" which is supposed to be the graphical interface for wine
[09:24] <toby_> but i get this error
[09:24] <toby_> winetools
[09:24] <toby_>  Depends: xdialog  but it is not installable
[09:24] <toby_>  Depends: gtk-smooth-themes  but it is not installable
[09:24] <Anubis> that hurt
[09:24] <Fator_Dee> are you trying to install from repos?
[09:24] <toby_> from package manager
[09:24] <Anubis> the browsers are not finding some kind of plugin
[09:24] <Anubis> the mouse still moves
[09:25] <Anubis> but the rest of the system is none responisve
[09:25] <nici> how to get psnup in Ubuntu?
[09:25] <Fator_Dee> toby_: I mean, you aren't just installing a package, but installing from ubuntus repositories with synaptic?
[09:25] <toby_> yes fator_dee
[09:25] <toby_> then i do apt-get install winetools
[09:25] <toby_> and i get a similar error
[09:26] <toby_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:26] <toby_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:26] <Fator_Dee> toby_: they *should* be there if winetools is there, might be a broken repo or something :-o
[09:26] <Fator_Dee> and you can't use apt-get while you have synaptic open
[09:26] <nickrud> toby_, do you have synaptic open?
[09:27] <toby_> yes
[09:27] <toby_> im looking at repostories
[09:27] <hhurtta> then close it first
[09:27] <toby_> i closed it, got the same error :/
[09:28] <hhurtta> OR install from it :)
[09:28] <hhurtta> you are using sudo?
[09:28] <nickrud> sudo aptitude
[09:28] <nickrud> oops
[09:28] <toby_> im using sudo
[09:29] <hhurtta> if you are sure there is absolutely no process using apt, delete file /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[09:29] <hhurtta> absolutely sure
[09:30] <toby_> what will that do
[09:30] <hhurtta> that file is so called lock
[09:31] <hhurtta> that applications use to make sure only one entity uses a recourse at time
[09:31] <hhurtta> sometimes that file doesn't get freed
[09:31] <hhurtta> and it must be removed by user
[09:31] <toby_> i removed it
[09:31] <toby_> but still get same error
[09:32] <toby_> ar.. linux is too complicated :/
[09:32] <hhurtta> too weird for mee
[09:32] <bobi> Hi
[09:32] <hhurtta> damn this keyboard
[09:32] <toby_> http://cl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[09:32] <toby_> is that correct for the url of repositories
[09:33] <bobi> have some problems with my live player
[09:34] <_kane> toby_:  look at /ect/apt/sources.list
[09:34] <Anubis> the browsers are calling up real player
[09:35] <Anubis> which then says it does not have the components to play the file
[09:35] <Anubis> then the hard lock
[09:35] <Anubis> how do I uninstall realplayer
[09:35] <Anubis> and would'nt helix do the same thing?
[09:35] <Anubis> if so
[09:35] <toby_> ok
[09:35] <Anubis> Ihow do i keep the browser from automatically calling on real?
[09:36] <toby_> i just realized i needed to enable universe repositories
[09:38] <fer> hello
[09:39] <fer> does anyone can tell me if the arch version (i.e. AMD) changes wich packages you see in the repositories?
[09:40] <_kane> maybe the 64 ones
[09:40] <fer> i cannot see ndiswraper packages that i find in tje synaptic search from my desktop hoary
[09:40] <fer> yes, it is 64
[09:41] <Brik> someone can paste me the source.list if installated mplayer with apt-get (http://nopaste.ofloo.net/)
[09:41] <Brik> thanks
[09:41] <_kane> Fer you have all then enabled
[09:41] <fer> it's linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic what i running
[09:42] <fer> yes multi and universe
[09:42] <fer> mplayer aint happy running in my ubuntus
[09:42] <_kane> anner_nwm:  your up late or early
[09:42] <fer> Brik: try compiling it from the source
[09:43] <Brik> ok
[09:43] <Brik> i try
[09:43] <Brik> i have only universe
[09:43] <Brik> now
[09:43] <_kane> anner_nwm: this is your ghost
[09:44] <fer> _kane: i don't want to switch again to a i386 kernel, do you know if it is difficult to make ndiswrapper work from its sources?
[09:44] <nickrud> Brik, http://nopaste.ofloo.net/449
[09:44] <Brik> nickrud thanks
[09:45] <ivan> how do i configure my soundcard?
[09:45] <_kane> fer i think you can do it but i dont remember how
[09:46] <fer> well, make;make install i hope
[09:46] <_kane> maybe Seveas  can tell you
[09:46] <fer> i just tried ndiswrapper pakaged on debian and it was smooth
[09:47] <monteiro> how i open cd image files with .cue and .bin without burning cd ?
[09:47] <fer> but most other things are "smoother" on ubuntu
[09:47] <Amaranth> monteiro: that's a tough one
[09:47] <HrdwrBoB> monteiro: use 'bchunk' to make them an iso
[09:47] <Amaranth> monteiro: If it's a video you can open the .bin directly with mplayer
[09:48] <hor> Is it possible to add a WM entry to GDM on my own?
[09:48] <monteiro> Amaranth : it's a game
[09:48] <fer> i think toten-xine, also deals with that
[09:48] <monteiro> HrdwrBoB : how i open isos with file-roller ?
[09:48] <Amaranth> monteiro: Also, stop downloading illegal things on the internet. ;)
[09:48] <HrdwrBoB> monteiro: what do you mean
[09:48] <Fator_Dee> Amaranth: but it might not be illegal :-o
[09:48] <HrdwrBoB> Fator_Dee: yeah and I'm the queen of england
[09:49] <fer> innocente assumptiom maranth
[09:49] <hhurtta> HrdwrBoB: all hail queen
[09:49] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: I don't know of any free games that distribute bin/cue disc images.
[09:49] <Fator_Dee> HrdwrBoB: ooh, I've never met a royalty before
[09:49] <fer> HAIL
[09:49] <Fator_Dee> Amaranth: :-p
[09:50] <_kane> hail rocks at her
[09:50] <monteiro> HrdwrBoB : open like winrar, see what files are there
[09:50] <fer> ciber monarchry lurks us!!
[09:50] <HrdwrBoB> monteiro: yeah it just open
[09:50] <HrdwrBoB> s
[09:50] <HrdwrBoB> file-> open
[09:50] <HrdwrBoB> or double click it
[09:50] <monteiro> tks
[09:50] <monteiro> :)
[09:51] <fer> thank you all for your help pals
[09:51] <fer> see you soon
[09:54] <Echelon-H> hi there, what type of partition do I need to make in PartitionMagic?
[09:55] <batma8> does anyone in here have time to help me out settin up my wirless on my averatec 3250??
[09:55] <batma8> ive tried it myself, but i get wierd errors that i need help understanding
[09:55] <Seveas> Echelon-H, a big ext3 one and a swap partition of about 1.5 times the size of your main mem
[09:56] <Seveas> batma8, please paste your errors on ubuntu.pastebin.com
[09:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> echelon-h. you wont need more them 500mb->1GB of swap
[09:56] <batma8> thanks
[09:57] <pao> Hi all
[09:58] <pao> is anyone reading?
[09:58] <Fator_Dee> no
[09:58] <pao> Fator_Dee, :-)
[09:58] <pao> I managed to move the upper panel on the right side :-(
[09:58] <firasR> hi pao
[09:58] <pao> How do I take it back home? :-)
[09:59] <Echelon-H> wow, why so much for the swap one?
[09:59] <Echelon-H> and how much do I need for the main one?
[09:59] <Echelon-H> Oh, and do I need it Logical or primary?
[09:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> ech. more then 2GB for the main one
[09:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> how much ram do you have?
[09:59] <Echelon-H> 128
[09:59] <firasR> pao, i'm not in gnome right now but did u try right clicking on the panel and see if there's any preferences or properties option?
[09:59] <athlon> what you need is more ram, not swap
[10:00] <Fator_Dee> pao: can't you grab and drag it?
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> ech, try 512
[10:00] <Echelon-H> 512 for the swap you mean?
[10:00] <Fator_Dee> athlon: I've experienced that 128 ram is quite enough :-)
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[10:00] <Echelon-H> k
[10:01] <Echelon-H> Ok, So Logical or Primary? (The Ext3)
[10:01] <athlon> Fator_Dee,  do you use gnome+ metacity ? cos those are memory hog.. add firefox and you need at least 200 mb ram
[10:01] <Fator_Dee> athlon: XFCE
[10:01] <athlon> figures :-)
[10:01] <Fator_Dee> :-)
[10:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> echelon-h. doesnt matter
[10:02] <Fator_Dee> but I was happily surprised by that
[10:02] <IIIEars> Newb question - Why didn't this work?       chmod +x ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/Checksuml\ Any
[10:03] <Echelon-H> whats the swap partition for anyway?
[10:03] <Fator_Dee> IIIEars: for whom you give that permission?
[10:03] <IIIEars> lol - 4th week in linux
[10:03] <Fator_Dee> IIIEars: that's what is missing
[10:03] <FreezerX> Hey, I cant umount my directories as the gam_server is using them for trash. How can I change that?
[10:03] <IIIEars> me?
[10:03] <IIIEars> sudo?
[10:03] <firasR> FreezerX:  pkill gam_server
[10:03] <Fator_Dee> IIIEars: u+x or g+x or o+x
[10:03] <Fator_Dee> user, group, others
[10:03] <nickrud> Fator_Dee, no, he can't ;(
[10:03] <IIIEars> Ah - Okay... - heh - Thank You. :)
[10:04] <Fator_Dee> nickrud: ?
[10:04] <rommer> sudo ?
[10:04] <nickrud> I just dragged my own over there, and there's no panel to drag, just launchers :)
[10:05] <nickrud> not pleasant
[10:06] <nickrud> pao, you still here?
[10:06] <Anubis> how does one uninstall realplayer?
[10:07] <nickrud> I have a fix :)
[10:07] <FreezerX> firasR, I entered pkill gam_server but the mounted directories are still in use by the gam_server
[10:08] <Shufla> Anubis: if installed by .deb use synaptic
[10:09] <s0m3guy> Hey... there is this map that I want to change the permissions on, but everytime I allow "group" to write the state automatically changes back to it's default state?
[10:09] <_kane> Anubis:  apt-gwt remove realplayer
[10:09] <glyne> Hello everybody
[10:09] <nickrud> Anubis, where did you install it?
[10:09] <firasR> FreezerX:  try doing an "lsof /partitionname" to find out which processes are still using it
[10:10] <FreezerX> firasR, gam_serve 8453     tbarth   38r      DIR       0,14    4096       1940 /home/tbarth/archiv/.Trash-tbarth
[10:10] <glyne> i have a question concerning Breezy please, do someone use it here ?
[10:10] <FreezerX> I dont want that trash-directory
[10:11] <nickrud> Anubis, ll `which realplay` will tell you where you installed it
[10:11] <firasR> FreezerX:  try a "kill -9 8453" then do an lsof again, sometimes gam_server respawns, happened to me once but i can't remember how i stopped it though :(
[10:12] <ys76_work> glyne, Did you read the Topic? Nearly all users headed back for hoary...
[10:12] <glyne> i think i'll do the same
[10:12] <s0m3guy> Hey... there is this map that I want to change the permissions on, but everytime I allow "group" to write the state automatically changes back to it's default state?
[10:12] <toby_> linux is fun but complicated :P
[10:13] <firasR> toby_:  that's what's fun about it .... most of the times at least :)
[10:13] <saber_> its not that complicated
[10:13] <toby_> lol yes
[10:14] <thenuke> toby_: it's not very very complicated, you just dont know yet enough of it :) about everything you have to learn, after a sometime it's no more that complicated what it seems to be now ;)
[10:14] <FreezerX> firasR, no chance, the gam_server respawns each time after killing the process
[10:14] <saber_> well, if you're not interested in computers it's complicated
[10:14] <Fator_Dee> toby_: it's complicated until the moment that you realize things ;-)
[10:14] <toby_> but i understand someone who is interested in computers learning all this stuff, someone who likes productivity and wants to get things done would probably never use linux
[10:14] <toby_> thats why windows is top
[10:14] <saber_> toby: that's right
[10:14] <thenuke> toby_: MAC is for those ppl
[10:14] <toby_> yah mac too
[10:15] <firasR> toby_:  sad bu true, it takes a lot of patience, time and a real love of linux to put up with it and keep learning
[10:15] <toby_> linux developers should work on making things easier, period
[10:15] <firasR> toby_:  it's a never ending learning cycle though
[10:15] <toby_> yes
[10:15] <toby_> but i mean
[10:15] <toby_> is it necessary to learn all that
[10:15] <thenuke> toby_: oh, linux becomes easier all the time
[10:15] <toby_> i mean, you have to learn about everything to get something as simple as a wifi card working
[10:15] <toby_> when in windows yopu plug it and it works
[10:15] <bigfoot> can any Windows OS game be played in Ubuntu?
[10:16] <thenuke> toby_: at the moment, linux is pretty darn easy to install and use compared to what it was few years ago
[10:16] <thenuke> bigfoot: with cedega for example, yes
[10:16] <toby_> yes, its getting better thats true. but i dont think its ready yet for regular domestic use
[10:16] <k31th> Back
[10:16] <toby_> wb
[10:16] <bigfoot> thenuke, then why do i hear people complaining of a lack of games in Linux, if Cedega is the answer?
[10:16] <Raskall> Ubuntu won the linux test in the norwegian edition of PC World Magazine. got 9.0 of 10 points. Fedora Core 3 got 8.0, Linspire 5 got 6.5, Mandriva got 7.0 and suse got 8.0.
[10:17] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: because they are not native to linux
[10:17] <k31th> toby_: yes but once it  works in linux it works :D unlike windows where it fucks up once a day
[10:17] <toby_> lol
[10:17] <thenuke> bigfoot: it's like complaining, linux is obfuscated and impossible to get used to!
[10:17] <thenuke> bigfoot: and many one knows that is not true :)
[10:18] <k31th> chances are ubuntu will detect your wifi card and hardware can still be a bitch get workin in windows at times
[10:18] <rommer> what is bind?
[10:18] <holycow> heh
[10:18] <Fator_Dee> toby_: and support for hardware devices depends a lot on the hardware developers
[10:18] <toby_> im a little disappointed tho, i mean its cool being a linux user, but i dont think i am gettig a better experience over windows
[10:18] <k31th> exactly wat it sounds like rommer
[10:18] <holycow> draggin and dropping an entire folder tree into beep media player just rolls up all the media files for play
[10:18] <holycow> thats awesome
[10:18] <k31th> toby_: each thing has its use
[10:18] <toby_> i am just not worrying about virus  which is good
[10:18] <firasR> rommer:  bind as in the DNS server BIND ?
[10:18] <holycow> why the hell didn't i know about this earlier?
[10:18] <rommer> firasR: ya
[10:19] <k31th> toby_: in time you will learn the ways of the force
[10:19] <firasR> rommer:  http://www.isc.org/products/BIND
[10:19] <Fator_Dee> holycow: I've understood that drag'n dropping works for quite a lot of apps
[10:19] <toby_> compiling wine is taking forever :/
[10:19] <holycow> Fator_Dee, sometimes yes, sometime no
[10:19] <toby_> i hope that happens before i trash it and go back to windows lol
[10:19] <holycow> it mostly depends on the context
[10:19] <k31th> toby_: you will want to install it again if you do
[10:20] <norm_> toby_, are you using a dell laptop?
[10:20] <k31th> and it will cross your mind to go back to the dark side...
[10:20] <k31th> why not dual boot
[10:20] <toby_> norm_, no im using a HP/compaq laptop
[10:20] <toby_> with wine do i just do
[10:20] <count0nz> once you've use linux you won't be content with windows :) anymore
[10:20] <thenuke> yup, dualbooting is wise choice if one is a serious gamer
[10:20] <toby_> wine program.exe to run windows  stuff?
[10:20] <nickrud> the only choice, really
[10:21] <Raskall> their conclusion: "Based on the experiences we have made in this test, we fell that Ubuntu Linux 5.04 is the distor that first time users and existing windows users will feel most comfortable with. In addition the distro is easy to keep up to date and has advanced administration possibilities. Support for newer hardware is good too. But if you want a linus distro with some more advanced options FCR3 or SUSE may be excellent options"
[10:21] <Brik> what codec library i need to see wmv files?
[10:21] <thenuke> Brik: check ubuntuguide.org and install every codec what's in there .)
[10:21] <count0nz> Raskall, :) kewl thx
[10:21] <deFrysk> w32codecs
[10:21] <toby_> how do i enable mp3 support in ubuntu
[10:21] <toby_> i cant play mp3s
[10:21] <ys76_work> Raskall, I don't thing there more "Advanced Opeions" in SUSE
[10:21] <thenuke> toby_: check ubuntuguide.org
[10:21] <toby_> okie
[10:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats wrong with debain for "advanced options"?
[10:22] <dust> lo
[10:22] <holycow> Raskall, rofl
[10:22] <firasR> ys76_work:  they're probably referring to YAST
[10:22] <count0nz> now i can't get transcode to install :(
[10:22] <nickrud> Brik, uncomment the marillat repository, apt-get update && apt-get install w32codecs, comment out the marillat repository and apt-get update
[10:22] <holycow> the suse and fedora comments i find out of place
[10:22] <Raskall> ys76_work: no.. I plan to write the magazine a letter to tell them that.
[10:22] <k31th> toby_: if you need help most things can be fixed with google and irc
[10:22] <holycow> they first release far less often than debian
[10:22] <holycow> secondly debian unstable is almost always ahead of either one
[10:22] <thenuke> toby_: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs  that part should do it
[10:22] <toby_> yup
[10:22] <toby_> ty
[10:22] <holycow> i think maybe they mean that monstrosity called yast
[10:23] <k31th> apt-get install w32codecs
[10:23] <count0nz> google is your friend so is learning to search forum's
[10:23] <Brik> nickrud: thanks
[10:23] <nickrud> Brik, I knew if you used mine, you'd ask that question :)
[10:24] <PaNoRaMiC> this is strange... I can't login as root on this newly installed system... i'm trying to change my screen resolution.. even if gnome has a way to do it point and click tho.. I am going to need root access in a big way.. it even allows me to use my root password to access the package installer from within gnome, but I can't login as root, or su my password?
[10:24] <Brik> :)
[10:24] <Choubaka> PaNoRaMiC: root is disabled. L)
[10:24] <firasR> PaNoRaMiC:  sudo
[10:24] <count0nz> we don't need no stinking root :)
[10:24] <Raskall> holycow: I agree. If it was enterprise distro's they had tested, I'd agree if redhat enterprise and suse enterprise had been recommended for "more advanced options".
[10:24] <ys76_work> PaNoRaMiC, And it is a FAQ...
[10:24] <toby_> how long does it take to compile a program like wine
[10:24] <FreezerX> What will happen if I deinstall the gam_server?
[10:24] <PaNoRaMiC> huh? I eneabled it in the login screen settings in gnome... root will still be disabled?
[10:24] <k31th> Raskall: i dunno, linux is linux
[10:25] <Raskall> holycow: or is Ubuntu certified with the big companies such as SAP and Oracle?
[10:25] <Fator_Dee> toby_: depends on the comp
[10:25] <holycow> PaNoRaMiC, root is disabled yes
[10:25] <Choubaka> powerusers use LFS!
[10:25] <holycow> PaNoRaMiC, just do sudo command
[10:25] <toby_> i have a 1.4 ghz celeron, 256 mb ram
[10:25] <holycow> and type in your user pass
[10:25] <holycow> its no biggie
[10:25] <k31th> ubuntu is basically debian with a installer
[10:25] <Choubaka> haha :D
[10:25] <holycow> Raskall, not yet
[10:25] <Choubaka> no.
[10:25] <Choubaka> Debian has an installer too, you know. :D
[10:25] <k31th> 2.5 ghz mobile celeron 256mb ram
[10:25] <PaNoRaMiC> holycow: k... thanks
[10:25] <holycow> Raskall, BUT, with the traction it is getting, and backing of shuttleworth, i can see it down the line
[10:25] <k31th> Choubaka: lol yeah..
[10:25] <k31th> i know
[10:25] <Choubaka> And It's the same which ubuntu uses :p
[10:25] <k31th> infact its still txt based
[10:26] <k31th> yeah just thought that
[10:26] <Fator_Dee> toby_: maybe half an hour or something like that, not an answer to be taken seriously though, don't know for sure
[10:26] <k31th> well ok its a easyer to use debain
[10:26] <k31th> debian
[10:26] <toby_> okies
[10:26] <k31th> with x preconfigured etc
[10:26] <Choubaka> What's wrong with text-based anyway?
[10:26] <count0nz> rembers slackware version 1.0 ;)
[10:26] <Raskall> holycow: cool. That will be a good thing for my business plan. I don't have the guts to start up yet. I have everything ready for a one man company that sells ubuntu installations and maintenance agreements to small and medium size companies.
[10:27] <Raskall> holycow: and support paid by the hour, of course.
[10:28] <holycow> Raskall, i will be doing something similar
[10:28] <holycow> :)
[10:28] <holycow> cool
[10:28] <k31th> Raskall: i had the ideal of my own business  but i went in with some lazy bastard
[10:28] <count0nz> same here :)
[10:28] <holycow> the nice thing is, it wont be flying off the shelf, so you will have time to learn properly
[10:28] <Raskall> holycow: but since I have a family to support I need a job with a steady income.
[10:28] <PaNoRaMiC> ys76_work: please cut me some slack... I am just coming off of a week trying to install Gentoo Linux and was able to get all of my hardware working correctly on a custom built kernel.. I just got sick of fighting with it when I had to configure X... I'm only taking a look at this distro right now as the first of the easy to install versions... etc.. besides.. I've done a truckload of reading so far
[10:28] <holycow> instead of being forced to grow faster than you can handle
[10:28] <k31th> im currently working for a small it contractor with a fair amount of linux support contracts
[10:28] <k31th> however they seem to like using redshat
[10:28] <holycow> Raskall, you can do both simultaneously *nod*
[10:29] <holycow> k31th, i respect redhat, i just wish they woudl base everything around debian
[10:29] <Raskall> holycow: of course. But then I will have to work nights for my own company, and norwegian companies don't take night-working companies serious.
[10:29] <Raskall> ly
[10:29] <holycow> say, setup something like canonical but based around security for debian
[10:29] <norm_> toby_, i think i figured out how to change the touchpad speed ;)
[10:30] <k31th> Raskall: i dont im single and living at home perfect situation
[10:30] <k31th> im working hard for a year and saving up
[10:30] <toby_> norm would u mind sharing
[10:30] <holycow> Raskall, *nod* i'm in north america, entrepreneurialism here is a religion
[10:30] <k31th> and im going to do it alone this time
[10:30] <norm_> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Synaptics_Touchpad - there's a section about the touchpad, check out the last 3 Options
[10:30] <toby_> thanx
[10:30] <k31th> no partnership unless the other person puts in some money
[10:31] <k31th> i setup ubuntu as a  Windows DC on friday owns...
[10:31] <k31th> no more windows
[10:31] <Raskall> k31th: mm.. I am at home with my 7 month old baby now, but my baby-money runs out in july. If I don't get a job I will probably start my company.
[10:31] <k31th> i got it working with batch file logons and even roaming profiles
[10:31] <batma8> hey guys, what all should i have under my repositories
[10:31] <batma8> ?
[10:32] <dust> anyone know how to install nwn ?
[10:32] <k31th> Raskall:  yeah
[10:32] <dust> the linux binaries
[10:32] <bigfoot> thenuke, what's wine for?
[10:32] <k31th> ull need some capital
[10:32] <Seveas> batma8, only official ubuntu repositories
[10:32] <holycow> Raskall, don't ignore the windows users.  those fools are a cash cow
[10:32] <k31th> wine runs windows .exe
[10:32] <k31th> Raskall:  hell yeah i make tonnes off them
[10:32] <batma8> i only see cd ubuntu 5.04 "hoary hedgehog" (binary)
[10:32] <holycow> Raskall, one thing i've noticed about linux is that once you install it, it just works (provided its properly locked down)
[10:32] <_axel> uhm, after i upgraded to latest firefox i get loads of crashes when browsing, is this only me or what?
[10:32] <k31th> and setting up small home networks
[10:32] <k31th> router and say one or two client pcs
[10:32] <Seveas> batma8, you'll need something like http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38 too
[10:32] <k31th> is a goo earner
[10:32] <k31th> good*
[10:33] <holycow> Raskall, windows users really are a cash cow tho ... heh, perhaps we are shooting our selves in the foot by building something that works?
[10:33] <holycow> :)
[10:33] <Amaranth> windows users are not a cash cow
[10:33] <sebas21> axel did you deinstall older version first
[10:33] <mrmat> salut all
[10:33] <mrmat> :)
[10:33] <DragoraN> hi
[10:33] <Amaranth> unless you're program is really cool or really annoying (activation) you'll just get pirated
[10:33] <Seveas> salut mrmat
[10:33] <holycow> Amaranth, i beg to differ :)
[10:33] <Amaranth> err, your
[10:33] <mrmat> premiere connection a partir d'ubuntu
[10:33] <_axel> sebas21: yep, i did everything through apt
[10:33] <holycow> no, i mean services
[10:33] <Amaranth> ah
[10:34] <_axel> sebas21: i have the error code here if you want me to paste
[10:34] <holycow> those fools require enormous amounts of handholding
[10:34] <batma8> sebas21: when i hit ed on cd ubuntu 5.04, what settings should i see
[10:34] <mrmat> Seveas, lut
[10:34] <holycow> its amazing how quickly they can hose a system
[10:34] <killapop> haha
[10:34] <Seveas> mrmat, on parle anglais ici, les gens de #ubuntu-fr parlent francais
[10:34] <batma8> ed+edit
[10:34] <Raskall> k31th, holycow: I have 3 "products": installation of a smubuntu server (explain later), $300, remote maintenance agreement, $200 pr. month and a "consulting hour" for $100.
[10:34] <holycow> they believe that you should be an expert the moment you buy a system
[10:34] <norm_> toby_, 0.08 as min and maxspeed and 0 as accelfactor seems to work for me
[10:34] <sebas21> axel mmm mine works both under suse and ubuntu the suse one is bad
[10:34] <mrmat> well , i'm a newbie in linux ... how can i change my screen resolution ?
[10:34] <k31th> Raskall: charge more
[10:34] <k31th> dont be weak
[10:34] <holycow> and cannot comprehend that what they have is basically what used to be considered super computers not even 10 years ago
[10:35] <k31th> well that charge would be ok
[10:35] <mrmat> ok Seveas  no prob :)
[10:35] <Raskall> k31th, holycow: offer to private persons for a lower rate. have a web page up too, but it's in norwegian: www.smubuntu.org
[10:35] <Seveas> mrmat, system->preferences->screen resolutions
[10:35] <DragoraN> i have one problem :) my wifi card (pcmcia) is as eth0 and when i plug my ethernet card to pcmcia slot, it conflicts with wifi.. its as eth0 too.. how to correct it? how to assign modules to devices?
[10:35] <Seveas> sm ubuntu? kinky :)
[10:35] <k31th> if all onsite work is charged hourly
[10:35] <k31th> then it would work
[10:35] <mrmat> Seveas, perfect ...
[10:35] <holycow> ah cool :)
[10:36] <Raskall> k31th, holycow: "smubuntu server" is the name of my ubuntu installation with config as a windows file/print-server, spam/virus-filtering mailserver, webserver and firewall.
[10:36] <Raskall> k31th, holycow: the sm stands for "small and medium"
[10:37] <k31th> Raskall: it works as a Windows DOmain Controller as well with Roaming profiles
[10:37] <Zindar> j #bzr
[10:37] <holycow> nice
[10:37] <k31th> we have a client that is building its own CPU
[10:37] <Zindar> ahh
[10:37] <k31th> its awsome
[10:37] <k31th> im still  messing with this domain controller right now
[10:37] <Raskall> k31th: yup.. my ubuntu server is fullworthy windows DC. I am studying ldap now, to learn how to set up samba as an Active Directory.
[10:37] <k31th> trying to setup ldap
[10:37] <holycow> k31th, for what applicqation is it designed?
[10:38] <toby_> how do i make a "read-only" text file editable
[10:38] <k31th> wat do you mean holycow ?
[10:38] <k31th> toby_: use root if its a conf file
[10:38] <k31th> sudo nano file.conf
[10:38] <toby_> is there a way to open it with gedit as root?
[10:38] <holycow> Raskall, my only point of advice isnot to narrow down your services too narrowly, linux is still young, it will eat ms for lunch over the long term, but switching is more than just replacing software and hardware
[10:38] <toby_> im not comfortable editing files in the terminal window
[10:39] <holycow> Raskall, switchign also involves changing the software in the users brains
[10:39] <holycow> ms didn't get to be ms overnight either
[10:39] <mrmat> Seveas, quelle est ladresse irc pour le chan fr ?
[10:39] <mrmat> stp ?
[10:39] <holycow> k31th, most non amd/inte/risc cpus are application specific
[10:39] <k31th> oh sorry
[10:39] <holycow> arm is for low power... etc
[10:39] <k31th> holycow: yes its for G3 mobile coms
[10:40] <k31th> its designed for one taks
[10:40] <k31th> i forget the stats but its wicked kkool
[10:40] <HrdwrBoB> one task or on tanks? ;)
[10:40] <Seveas> mrmat, #ubuntu-fr
[10:40] <k31th> like a small array  of chips in one
[10:40] <holycow> sounds like fun
[10:40] <k31th> fast as hell
[10:40] <k31th> they use all linux there
[10:40] <k31th> even on there laptops
[10:40] <holycow> right on :)
[10:40] <holycow> show them ubuntu
[10:40] <Raskall> holycow: that is why I have included the windows server setup in the package. The ubuntu machine will look just like a windows server. and since they buy a service agreement from me too, I will be the one doing user and system maintenance, so they will not miss the "user manager" they are used to from windows.
[10:40] <nickrud> toby_, anytime you want to do something as root, just tack sudo at the front.
[10:40] <holycow> cool :)
[10:41] <holycow> Raskall, keep us up to date how you do :
[10:41] <k31th> webmin is the way forward for n00bs
[10:41] <IIIEars> toby_ - the terminal is a bit intimidating. - everything can be scripted after you have done it once. - most things you do adding/removing apps can be done with synaptic or apt-get
[10:41] <mrmat> thx Seveas
[10:41] <Raskall> holycow: "for xxx hours a month, I take care of your server and you work as usual, but save thousands in licenses"
[10:41] <k31th> he wants to edit a conf file im guessing with gedit
[10:41] <k31th> Raskall: yes it should work
[10:41] <nickrud> toby_, so, sudo gedit
[10:41] <k31th> depend son wat the client is doing
[10:42] <k31th> yeah toby_
[10:42] <IIIEars> sudo gedit or sudo su gedit no?
[10:42] <DragoraN> would some1 help me?
[10:42] <k31th> DragoraN: watsup
[10:42] <Raskall> holycow: will do. :) but I do not have the guts to start yet. I have calculated that I need 25 running service agreements to live. My maximum is 50. the service agreement includes 5 hours each month.
[10:43] <holycow> Raskall, :) i know, its intimidating
[10:43] <k31th> yes contracts can be odd
[10:43] <k31th> and u need some kinda money coming in
[10:43] <Raskall> holycow, correction of the sentence: "for xxx _dollars_ a month, I take care of your server and you work as usual, but save thousands in licenses"
[10:43] <k31th> even if there pcs dont break lol
[10:43] <DragoraN> k31th: i have one problem :) my wifi card (pcmcia) is as eth0 and when i plug my ethernet card to pcmcia slot, it conflicts with wifi.. its as eth0 too.. how to correct it? how to assign modules to devices?
[10:43] <holycow> the trick usually is to get one big contract, that has liberal leanings and lets you do what you want
[10:44] <IIIEars> nano isn't much fun but it isn't hard.
[10:44] <k31th> DragoraN: wat happens if you plug in the card and type iwconfig
[10:44] <nickrud> and it's always there
[10:44] <k31th> are you sure its deff conflicting
[10:45] <DragoraN> k31th: it names it same..
[10:45] <Raskall> holycow, k31th: maybe we should start up together and lean on eachother? with skype we can communicate at no cost. :)
[10:45] <k31th> Raskall: skype is evil but ill gradly help
[10:45] <holycow> there are a few other people appearently doing the same
[10:45] <holycow> i think sharing is the idea here
[10:46] <k31th> holycow: doing the same?
[10:46] <Raskall> holycow, k31th: and we can add "with offices all over the world, we can offer a big wad of knowledge, etc....."
[10:46] <holycow> k31th, adding linux as primary focus for tech support services
[10:46] <count0nz> i've been doing same but want to start doing U work now :) think U is Great :)
[10:46] <k31th> Yeah well in theory it would work all you need is remote access and vnc etc
[10:46] <holycow> Raskall, lots of thinking needs to be done there :) slow and careful, the biggest problem we have is that we aren't mark shuttleworth or his bank account
[10:46] <k31th> and as you say you  can use skype
[10:47] <Raskall> k31th: ssh is enough. vnc is too insecure.
[10:47] <IIIEars> holycow - my display looks funny... - nah just kidding. - grin
[10:47] <kisain> i found that in my aria linux support is nill
[10:47] <k31th> Raskall:  tunnel vnc thru ssh
[10:47] <holycow> IIIEars, thats your mirror
[10:47] <Raskall> holycow: yup.. :)
[10:47] <kisain> gonna go to scool to lurn it
[10:47] <holycow> did i say that?
[10:47] <k31th> then tis encrypted
[10:47] <IIIEars> lol
[10:47] <holycow> >_<
[10:47] <kisain> learn even
[10:47] <holycow> :)
[10:47] <Raskall> k31th: who needs gui's?
[10:47] <k31th> kisain: i thought the same lately its gone boom big time every one wants it
[10:47] <k31th> Raskall: user do
[10:48] <kisain> i know i can't bbeleve it
[10:48] <count0nz> i made $3000 nz in 2 weeks just installing 2 servers and seting up 300 clients to connect via fireall/proxy
[10:48] <toby_> kernel-config  Compile (recommended: as a module) hermes.o and orinoco_cs.o. The necessary Parameters in the kernel-.config-file are
[10:48] <toby_> how do i do that
[10:48] <k31th> you can take controll of there mouse and show them where to clik etc
[10:48] <kisain> i was goinna go to school and learn tech support
[10:48] <Raskall> k31th: yes, but not me, and I am the one that needs to log in to their system.
[10:48] <k31th> toby_: you have the same card as me
[10:48] <kisain> but i smell money as a linux geek
[10:48] <holycow> count0nz, what distro didja use?
[10:48] <Raskall> k31th: but freenx is an option for clients with mobile employees.
[10:48] <k31th> yes but
[10:48] <k31th> if a user phones you
[10:48] <holycow> count0nz, actually mind if i msg you about that? i have a few questions ...
[10:48] <k31th> and says i cant read my email
[10:49] <IIIEars> Can the terminal guess what you will type next from a history file?
[10:49] <k31th> and there far away
[10:49] <count0nz> Redhat :) (this was years ago
[10:49] <Raskall> k31th: ahh.. :) that way
[10:49] <k31th> you can show them by connecting
[10:49] <toby_> k3lth i have an ovislink wl-1120 pcm card
[10:49] <k31th> and then charge per hour for that
[10:49] <k31th> we do
[10:49] <count0nz> holycow,  np i just recently got back from usa
[10:49] <holycow> :)
[10:49] <rommer> any java pros here that can help me?
[10:49] <Raskall> well.. I need breakfast.. c ya l8r
[10:49] <count0nz> want to get back into linux support work :)
[10:50] <IIIEars> Raskal - FAX me a pancake please. - i have the syrup
[10:50] <kisain> lol
[10:50] <toby_> k3lth do i have to download and install PCMCIA card services to enable my card?
[10:50] <jaysin> all my applications go off my viewing area... is there anyway i can change my screen resolution?
[10:50] <pepsi> do i just change the repositories to ger breezy?
[10:50] <IIIEars> pepsi - Please don't use Breezy Badger yet.
[10:51] <pepsi> why not?
[10:51] <nickrud> rommer, installing or coding
[10:51] <thoreauputic> pepsi: if you needto ask that, don't do it ;)
[10:51] <rommer> nickrud: coding
[10:51] <pepsi> im going to install it on my laptop
[10:51] <pepsi> just for kicks
[10:51] <IIIEars> It isn't really finished - yet
[10:51] <pepsi> ok
[10:51] <nickrud> not me :)
[10:51] <IIIEars> soon...
[10:51] <pepsi> but do i just have to change the repositories?
[10:52] <batma8> what is a good vid plugin for firefox that allows button display for the player
[10:52] <thoreauputic> pepsi: see my answer above
[10:52] <pepsi> whatever man
[10:52] <kisain> what is the problem with breezy (actually what it it?)
[10:52] <pepsi> i just want to know how to get it
[10:52] <pepsi> i know its broken
[10:53] <thenuke> kisain: breezy is the upcoming version of ubuntu
[10:53] <thoreauputic> kisain: it's the development branch, and it's early in the development cycle is all
[10:54] <kisain> oh ok
[10:54] <kisain> can't waite to get it ^_^
[10:54] <kisain> i like this version but will i have to reinstall everything to get it?
[10:54] <thenuke> kisain: ~6month still to go ;)
[10:54] <cscolt> what they mean is why use something that is risky?... hoary rocks so why freak about having to have the newest?
[10:54] <thenuke> kisain: no, upgrading is simple
[10:55] <kisain> sweet ^_^ i can't waite
[10:55] <thoreauputic> kisain: no, you just doa dist-upgrade
[10:55] <IIIEars> dist-upgrade (cringes)
[10:55] <ys76_work> kisain, So have fun with breezy, but whine about broken packages...
[10:56] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: why the cringe ?
[10:56] <kisain> i'm not gonna use it till it's ok to use
[10:56] <IIIEars> lol - I like peace calm and order.
[10:56] <kisain> i an't that much of a new when it comes to broken distros
[10:56] <toby_> what are other programs for running win apps on linux, apart from xover and wine
[10:56] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: I see :)
[10:56] <hondje> vmware
[10:56] <pepsi> im upgrading ;) i fully expect for it to screw my system
[10:57] <cscolt> when i upgraded to hoary I didnt have too much of a problem
[10:57] <cscolt> everything is fine now and i have an uptime of 38 days and i do all sorts of things on it
[10:57] <kisain> cedega
[10:57] <cscolt> so all in all good job
[10:57] <hondje> kisain: cedega is wine w/ directX stuff
[10:58] <IIIEars> 38 days! - thats great
[10:59] <cscolt> yeah im feeling pretty good esp since all the previous crashes were do to my obsession with getting counterstrike running :)
[10:59] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: on warty I had an uptime of 50 days until a power cut finished it :)
[10:59] <hondje> longest uptime I've had on a desktop was 99 days....I was so close to greatness, then the power company had to mess it all up
[10:59] <cscolt> thats my biggest fear haha
[10:59] <IIIEars> This isn't your fathers Windows.
[10:59] <thoreauputic> hondje: I feel your pain ;-)
[10:59] <kisain> i managed to get counterstrike running just fine
[10:59] <hondje> I can live with taht though, I needed to do some kernel updates and the like
[10:59] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is great
[11:00] <cscolt> yeah but i have 500mhz and a pos graphics card
[11:00] <cscolt> cedega runs cs but for some reason it doesnt run for long on such a pos
[11:00] <hondje> I had cedega running HL2
[11:00] <cscolt> its mostly a samba server that i chat and email and such
[11:00] <kisain> i have a 16mb pci card and cs runs at 52fps O_o
[11:00] <hondje> But my video card is PCI, so the frame rate sucked
[11:00] <kisain> windws only gave me 16fps
[11:00] <hondje> so, gave it to my brother and went ack to doom3
[11:01] <IIIEars> hondje - if Steam can't solidly lock up your machine nothing can.
[11:01] <hondje> I never had problems with steam
[11:01] <cscolt> haha
[11:01] <kisain> niether have i
[11:01] <hondje> and I bought hl2 using steam, in linux, and downloaded / played w/out trouble
[11:01] <hondje> oh, and this computer has a celeron, also not good for hl2
[11:01] <k31th> Cedega owns
[11:01] <k31th> but i have a fucking ati card
[11:01] <cscolt> that is true
[11:02] <k31th> 9800 pro
[11:02] <hondje> I had a subscription for the missus, she used to play diablo 2 in debian...
[11:02] <k31th> and they stink in linux
[11:02] <hondje> But I bought her a mini mac, now I don't need it
[11:02] <batma8> anyone have a decent video plugin for mozilla that allows more control than mplayer?
[11:02] <k31th> where do i get a gpg key for ubuntu multiuniverse ?
[11:03] <ubuntu> hello
[11:03] <hondje> batma8: I haven't found one better than mplayer-mozilla plugin
[11:03] <deFrysk> k31th, its multiverse
[11:03] <IIIEars> Hello ubuntu. Welcome!
[11:03] <batma8> thanks hondje
[11:03] <hondje> I used to use plugger a couple years back, but it wasn't very good
[11:03] <cerius> hi
[11:03] <hondje> I think I used mplayer then for it, too
[11:03] <deFrysk> mplayerplug-in
[11:03] <hondje> mplayer for web, xine for dvds
[11:04] <ubuntu> i have a problem with sound on ascrock card k7v6
[11:04] <k31th> deFrysk: well ok i spelt it correclty in source.list
[11:04] <ubuntu> i have no soud
[11:04] <deFrysk> k31th, gpgkeys are loaded by default
[11:04] <k31th> mines erroring
[11:05] <deFrysk> k31th, apt-get update ?
[11:05] <IIIEars> "ascrock"? Astech?
[11:05] <k31th> yes during that
[11:05] <deFrysk> sure its not marillat ?
[11:05] <k31th> W: GPG error: ftp://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[11:05] <ubuntu> #quit
[11:05] <cerius> lin to german ubuntu thx
[11:05] <ubuntu> !quit
[11:06] <hondje> ubuntu: use /quit
[11:06] <toby_> anyone know where wine places windows programs that sit in the systray
[11:06] <ubuntu> asrock
[11:06] <deFrysk>  Ubuntu /quit
[11:06] <IIIEars> ubuntu ""/part""
[11:06] <ubuntu> ok /quit
[11:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:06] <cerius> lin to german ubuntu thx
[11:06] <cscolt> haha
[11:06] <deFrysk> :D
[11:06] <IIIEars> It isn't easy being new.
[11:07] <cscolt> yeah guess we have all been there
[11:07] <cscolt> hahto think of it ive been there more than once
[11:07] <echelon> hi
[11:07] <batma8> is there a way to alter what comes up on the boot menu..as in changing the names of the boot objects?
[11:07] <echelon> I am running Ubuntu now :)
[11:08] <IIIEars> cscolt - did we ever drink together? - grin
[11:08] <cerius> #ubuntu de
[11:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> my god icewm is hard to get used to
[11:08] <cerius> #ubuntu.de
[11:08] <deFrysk> ubuntu-de
[11:08] <cscolt> IIIEars, no but i think we are drinking together now -- double grin
[11:08] <snowblink> batma8,  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:09] <echelon> This is nice :)
[11:09] <echelon> And the GNOME works fine for now :D
[11:09] <thoreauputic> echelon: welcome :)
[11:09] <cscolt> yeah gnome is nice i was a bit scared of it at first
[11:09] <echelon> Do you think I should try XFCE anyway?
[11:10] <dust> anyone know where i can get non corrupted downloads of the linux nwn client resources and client binaries?
[11:10] <hondje> xfce is nice
[11:10] <holycow> count0nz, i'm still surprised how many people i meet from au and nz :)
[11:10] <holycow> you guys like own the net
[11:10] <holycow> heh
[11:10] <thoreauputic> echelon: sure - install xfce4 : it's good
[11:10] <k31th> where is the wiki for adding  multiverse
[11:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> holycow. yep. we do
[11:10] <count0nz> holycow, the Net is full of NZ/AU ppl
[11:10] <holycow> heh :)
[11:10] <echelon> can you help me through it?
[11:10] <hondje> kiwis are trying to take over my chan too
[11:11] <echelon> I mean is there something I need to write on the console or just download & install?
[11:11] <rommer> <- dns -> qld.tpgi.com.au
[11:11] <hondje> echelon: You just edit a file
[11:11] <hondje> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:11] <thoreauputic> echelon: you need to enable the universe repository
[11:11] <echelon> I dont have a clue what it is
[11:11] <hondje> after universe you add multiverse, then save, then apt-get update
[11:12] <thoreauputic> echelon: http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:12] <IIIEars> echelon - have you tried synaptic yet?
[11:12] <hondje> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse restricted is what I have in mine
[11:12] <echelon> synaptic?
[11:12] <toby_> how do i exit wine??
[11:12] <batma8> snowblink: how do i edit the file
[11:13] <IIIEars> ah - okay - i am new also
[11:13] <count0nz> toby_, usaly close the windows app. try killall wine
[11:13] <IIIEars> on the top bar under "system" >>
[11:13] <hondje> so, ubuntu is definately bringing in newbies, I see
[11:13] <hondje> quite remarkable how many
[11:13] <IIIEars> >> "Administration" >> "Synaptic"
[11:14] <hondje> I'm new to ubuntu, a month maybe, but not new to debian
[11:14] <cscolt> word of mouth is as contagous as the flu
[11:14] <toby_> killall wine didnt work
[11:14] <hondje> kill -9 `pgrep wineserver` maybe
[11:14] <count0nz> toby_, it hates you :)
[11:15] <toby_> linux hates me
[11:15] <hondje> it hates me too
[11:15] <hondje> but not as much as windows and *BSD do :9
[11:15] <IIIEars> are you there? typein your password. then  choose "settings" >> "Repositories" you will see "Universe" community supported
[11:15] <jaysin> sorry my comp crashed AGAIN (stupid storms) can anyone tell me how to change my screen resolution?
[11:15] <count0nz> nayif, :) Ran Linux since 0.75 Slackware, Redhat, Mandrake, Ydrasil, Gentoo, Debian, Now Ubuntu (And Loveing it)
[11:16] <hondje> jaysin: in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, add the resolutions you want
[11:16] <zeedo> jabular: System -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution
[11:16] <hondje> jaysin: Then, restart X with ctrl-alt-backspace, or be nice and just hit the logout button :)
[11:16] <nayif> hondje, not windows what shuld hate you but you shuld hate it :)
[11:16] <hondje> or what zeedo said hehe
[11:16] <zeedo> hondje: :-P
[11:16] <hondje> I don't hate windows, or MS
[11:16] <hondje> I just don't like it, like a lot of them don't like linux
[11:17] <jaysin> Hondje:  thanks :D whats should i change em to?
[11:17] <hondje> I have to relearn way to much stuff
[11:17] <holycow> jaysin, what was the story with java again? did you get that working? i forgot
[11:17] <hondje> jaysin: I guess what you want them to be
[11:17] <dust> anyone have the linux binaries for nwn gold?
[11:17] <hondje> I run at 1156x864, or something like that
[11:17] <jaysin> Hondje:  lol
[11:17] <dust> i can't seem to get them downloaded right
[11:17] <hondje> 1024x768 is popular for crts
[11:17] <nayif> count0nz, k than i run dos windows 3.11 windows 95 windows 98 and ME and 2000 and XP :q
[11:17] <echelon> okay, major noobish question: Whar is sudo, and what is apt-get?
[11:17] <count0nz> I try to keep my feet in both camps (servers) theres money in Admining Windows Servers
[11:17] <nickrud> is three lines too much to paste here?
[11:17] <hondje> echelon: sudo lets you run commands you don't normally have permission to
[11:17] <zeedo> echelon: man sudo; man apt-get
[11:17] <jaysin> Hondje:  i got everything working... i didnt realize that in ubuntuguide each line was a different command, i was copying and pasting the whole box :">
[11:17] <cscolt> windows has its place as does microsoft but alot of things can be done in lunux without alot of fuss
[11:18] <echelon> zeedo, dnake
[11:18] <echelon> *danke
[11:18] <IIIEars> echelon - sudo is super user do
[11:18] <hondje> apt-get is a package management dealio....you don't search the web and download stuff in ubuntu, you apt-get install <filename>
[11:18] <cerius> kannst du mir nochmal den link zu der seite geben wo man tehmen und desing herkriegt dank
[11:18] <count0nz> yes and we can Interopt with Linux/Windows :) get the best of both worlds
[11:18] <IIIEars> apt-get is an easy way to install apps from the command line. -
[11:18] <thoreauputic> cerius: /join #ubuntu-de
[11:19] <IIIEars> ech, Can i IM you?
[11:19] <cerius> #ubuntu-de
[11:19] <thoreauputic> cerius:  /
[11:19] <nayif> IIIEars, i like apt-get and i like autopackage too
[11:19] <thoreauputic> cerius: you need the /
[11:19] <batma8> how do i edit a read only file?
[11:19] <hondje> batma8: what file is read only?
[11:19] <echelon> hmm bah
[11:20] <echelon> I accepted.
[11:20] <nayif> batma8, sudo gedit file
[11:20] <batma8> hondje: menu.lst
[11:20] <IIIEars> Synaptic is a lot easier if you are new.
[11:20] <hondje> batma8: use sudo to edit it
[11:20] <holycow> jaysin, was that for me?
[11:20] <batma8> thanks
[11:20] <toby_> has anyone installed microsoft office 2003 on linux
[11:20] <holycow> jaysin, and if you did get it working congrats :)
[11:20] <jaysin> holycow:  oops i misread :) yes, that was for you
[11:20] <nickrud> holycow, in the same directory you downloaded jre....bin,
[11:20] <nickrud> sudo apt-get install java-packge && fakeroot make-jpkg jre<tab>
[11:20] <nickrud> sudo dpkg -i sun<tab>  && firefox http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
[11:21] <thoreauputic> toby_: why not use Open Office?
[11:21] <count0nz> toby_, i don't think you can unless to use something like vmware :)
[11:21] <toby_> too slow . and i use frontpage
[11:21] <nayif> IIIEars, sure it's but why synaptic not simple it more like on ksynaptic or whatever
[11:21] <hondje> You can use MS Office with Codeweavers wine, I think it's called
[11:21] <toby_> yes hondje but it only works with office xp
[11:21] <thoreauputic> crossover office
[11:21] <hondje> oh, okay
[11:21] <hondje> I use openoffice and latex, personally
[11:22] <hondje> but that doesnt' answer your frontpage thing
[11:22] <count0nz> thoreauputic, same deal 2003 won't work its in there faq
[11:22] <jaysin> Hondje:  okay... i;m in the xorg.conf... where the hell do i change this at?
[11:22] <hondje> jaysin: down towards the bottom, where you see other resolutions
[11:22] <thoreauputic> count0nz: OK - I wouldn't know since I don't use Windows any more
[11:22] <nayif> linux need more of this killer application
[11:22] <count0nz> thoreauputic, same :)
[11:22] <echelon> hmm wierd.
[11:22] <hondje>                 Depth           24
[11:22] <hondje>                 Modes           "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[11:22] <hondje> in mine
[11:23] <hondje> I think linux has tons of killer apps, guess it depends on your demograhic
[11:23] <echelon> Im trying to do sudo apt-get install php4-mysql and it says couldnt find package
[11:23] <count0nz> nvu? sounds good the html editor
[11:23] <IIIEars> NVU is nice
[11:23] <holycow> quanta is wicked too
[11:24] <count0nz> IIIEars, going to play with it later and make some pages
[11:24] <thoreauputic> echelon: it's in Universe
[11:24] <hondje> amen to coffee
[11:24] <hondje> My daughter woke up and isn't going to bed
[11:24] <hondje> she's sitting in her room yelling at me
[11:24] <nayif> hondje, mmm not for me , i'm not care like other "friends and family" how like adobe and else
[11:25] <thoreauputic> echelon: add the universe repository in Synaptic settings, then reload
[11:25] <IIIEars> hondje -    dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  will give you a question and answer
[11:25] <count0nz> my daugher is 9 and she is a unix junkie :)
[11:25] <hondje> oh yes, I forgot about that IIIEars
[11:25] <hondje> count0nz: Mine is 2.5, and she's evil :)
[11:25] <hondje> So I think she'll be a BSD girl
[11:25] <count0nz> hondje, :) kewl
[11:25] <k31th> man i need a shit
[11:25] <nayif> count0nz, Wow awesome :)
[11:26] <k31th> but i dont wanna crap at work
[11:26] <count0nz> hondje, :) BSD Girl :) cute
[11:26] <lek> devil girl
[11:26] <hondje> Not right now, she's being a PITA
[11:26] <echelon> thoreauputic, how do I do that? I got to Synaptic Package Manager...
[11:26] <rwillmer> I've got a problem connecting to Windows - the System>Administration>Network settings>General tab doesn't give me an option to turn Windows support on and enter a name and workgroup. Any way I can fix this? or set it manually? Running an up-to-date Hoary...
[11:26] <hondje> Her mom went in there to sit there until she went back to sleep...Nope!
[11:26] <thoreauputic> echelon: under settings, repositories
[11:26] <sebas_1> hondje just to make sure don't teach her the k command
[11:26] <hondje> hehe
[11:27] <hondje> time to unix her
[11:27] <rwillmer> ps samba is installed.
[11:27] <hondje> sleep -9hr /home/hondje/daughter
[11:27] <nayif> hondje, oh is this from DNA stuff
[11:27] <echelon> I got all sorts of Ubuntu Stuff there..
[11:27] <hondje> yes, DNA is evil
[11:27] <spinifex> I'm having weird times configuring my keyboard shortcuts.  With the default setting, I can't chord buttons with Super- it just records Super_L as the keypress.  When I set Layout Options so that "Super is mapped to the Win-keys" it lets me chord and calls it <Mod4>, but it only works to launch the terminal, and not any other application
[11:27] <nayif> hondje, haha
[11:28] <hondje> oh well, time to throw some sleeping gas her way
[11:28] <echelon> thoreauputic, I got all sorts of Ubuntu stuff there
[11:29] <nayif> hondje, do apt-get mam
[11:29] <IIIEars> echelon - "What do you want to install today?"
[11:29] <k31th> Remenic: how did you get on with ldap
[11:29] <hondje> I tried, package is referred to but not available
[11:29] <spinifex> like for instance, I can get it to launch email with <Control>r, and I can get it to run terminal with <Mod4>r, but I can't get it to launch email with <Mod4>r
[11:29] <nayif> IIIEars, what is that :)
[11:29] <nayif> IIIEars, is this GPL or tredmark
[11:29] <Rocha> Hello, I'm using breezy and my X doesn't start
[11:29] <IIIEars> lol
[11:29] <echelon> IIIEars, xfce4, gcc, icq, mysql to work with php.
[11:30] <thoreauputic> echelon: did you click on "add" ? I don't know how synaptic works - I just edited the sources in an editor
[11:30] <hondje> Rocha: topic :)
[11:30] <cscolt> ahhaha
[11:30] <goldfish> Rocha: Read topic.
[11:30] <Rocha> goldfish: ups :D
[11:30] <hondje> oh well, at least I can pretend to work while she acts up
[11:30] <goldfish> heh
[11:30] <Rocha> Damn
[11:30] <echelon> Community Maintained (universe)?
[11:30] <hondje> if I do fake work for real money, I consider it a win
[11:30] <Rocha> I'll have to wait until they fix the xorg packages?
[11:30] <thoreauputic> echelon: that's the one
[11:31] <goldfish> Rocha: apparantly
[11:31] <goldfish> Rocha: or u could fix them yourself :)
[11:31] <thoreauputic> echelon: you might want to add multiverse while you are at it
[11:31] <IIIEars> echelon - hm that much? - ican't help you with all of them. (i'm really new to this) - the ubuntuwiki has detailed info.
[11:31] <Rocha> goldfish: Can I change repositories to hoary and downgrade?
[11:31] <JaneW> My wireless connection indicator applet (normally visible in the notification panel next to the date & time) closed down last week, does anyone know how I can get it bacK?
[11:31] <goldfish> Rocha: Emm, I'm not sure..... better to ask someone with more knowledge....
[11:31] <jaysin> no dice lmao
[11:32] <jaysin> its stuck at "640x480"
[11:32] <Rocha> Is it possible to change repositories to hoary and downgrade?
[11:32] <hondje> jaysin: did you restart X?
[11:32] <jaysin> hondje:  yuppers
[11:32] <thoreauputic> Rocha: possible but *very* tricky
[11:32] <hondje> jaysin: and make sure xorg.conf has the right horiz/vert rates?
[11:32] <toby_> who in here is recently moving from windows to ubuntu
[11:33] <mrmat> Hey, for Kde , there are some app who allow you to custom your desktop, is there something like that for ubuntu/xorg ?
[11:33] <jaysin> hondje: i wasn't exactly sure where to change it though
[11:33] <thoreauputic> Rocha: downgrading is not likely to work without much breakage
[11:33] <hondje> jaysin: I'd recommend either finding the book that came with your monitor, or googling the model for the specs
[11:33] <Rocha> thoreauputic: ok, i'll leave this with breezy and wait for xorg packages to be fixed.
[11:33] <jaysin> hondje: okies, i'll try that
[11:34] <echelon> ok, i persume the xfce command would be "sudo apt-get install xfce4"?
[11:34] <Rocha> thoreauputic: Maybe next month, when colony-2 comes out, they'll be fixed.
[11:34] <goldfish> echelon: as far as i know, yes
[11:34] <IIIEars> jaysin - if you get stuck the label is smeared or missing use the fcc number it links to the manufacturer.
[11:34] <hondje> echelon: that looks right
[11:35] <echelon> woohoo!
[11:35] <hondje> echelon: If it says that's not the right package, you can do apt-cache search xfce4
[11:35] <thoreauputic> echelon: that's right
[11:35] <thoreauputic> echelon: that will install all the xfce4 goodies for you, except a few nice ones like xfmedia
[11:35] <echelon> nah it says something else
[11:36] <spinifex> this is annoying.  My network settings keeps changing its default gateway from eth0 to eth1 every half hour or so when I'm not looking, and then things try to work over wireless which is out of range, even though I have the lan plugged in
[11:36] <spinifex> how do I make it stop doing that?
[11:36] <echelon> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:36] <hondje> echelon: use sudo
[11:36] <muszek> hello
[11:36] <thoreauputic> echelon: you have synaptic open probably
[11:36] <echelon> i did
[11:36] <hondje> oh wait, 11
[11:36] <echelon> nable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[11:37] <thoreauputic> echelon: close synaptic
[11:37] <echelon> oh
[11:37] <echelon> because of the updates... right.
[11:37] <thoreauputic> echelon: synaptic is a front end for apt
[11:37] <muszek> I just switched from fedora... everything is great under ubuntu, but default gnome's opening new windows for folders drives me nuts... how do I change it??
[11:38] <thoreauputic> echelon: so you can only use one at a time :)
[11:38] <thoreauputic> muszek: chnge the behaviour under edit preferences to "browser" mode
[11:39] <muszek> thanks
[11:39] <seraphim_> hi. i got a problem installing aow2 with the native installer. a coder there says it may be a bug in unzip or so...
[11:39] <echelon> well i g2g, thanks for all the help!
[11:39] <seraphim_> while inflating the files my whole system locks up, starting with console
[11:39] <tobifr> huh, finally! good morning
[11:39] <seraphim_> no specific file, it's always another one
[11:40] <IIIEars> echelon - hang out here for a couple of weeks and you will be a fearless linux user.
[11:40] <tobifr> i've got a little problem for some days now - seems to be a xorg related issue...
[11:40] <echelon> buhaha
[11:40] <tobifr> alt + tab is not working, as well as alt + f4
[11:40] <tobifr> (in kde)
[11:40] <thoreauputic> tobifr: is this hoary or breezy?
[11:41] <daniels> tobifr: as the topic says: 'PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY'
[11:41] <IIIEars> daniels - lol
[11:41] <tobifr> thoreauputic: well, it's... well... breezy ;-)
[11:41] <thoreauputic> tobifr: how did we guess ? ;-)
[11:41] <daniels> ok, seriously, guys
[11:41] <tobifr> daniels: well, I joined this channel for the first time.. :)
[11:41] <IIIEars> The tags descrbed the experince.
[11:41] <daniels> that isn't there just for fun
[11:42] <daniels> it also isn't in upper case because I accidentally hit caps lock (not that I have a caps lock key)
[11:42] <thoreauputic> daniels: let's do a survey on who actually *reads* the /topic *g*
[11:42] <IIIEars> lol - before or after d/l ing a broken development release?
[11:43] <count0nz> What Topic :)
[11:43] <tobifr> I read it after upgrading... hehe.
[11:43] <Firetech> why do you release breezy to the public that early then? lots of less knowing newbies thinks that it's a new shiny version and installs it... Like people who use lonhorn or XP 64bit beta
[11:43] <daniels> thoreauputic: http://fooishbar.org/blog//tech/itActuallyWorks-2005-01-22-23-05.html
[11:43] <count0nz> Breezy works great
[11:43] <daniels> count0nz: sure, as long as you don't really like X
[11:43] <tobifr> except alt + tab ;)
[11:43] <count0nz> LOL who needs X
[11:43] <IIIEars> It may but it isn't for the inexperienced. (me)
[11:43] <Firetech> daniels: that's one way to see it ;)
[11:44] <raptoid> hi ler..
[11:44] <tobifr> so is there a known workaround beside downgrading :) ?
[11:44] <nayif> time to go c y l8r
[11:44] <Gone> Too late I am using breezy (backports)
[11:45] <thoreauputic> daniels: heh - someone who read the topic!! Wonders will never cease ! ;-)
[11:46] <daniels> tobifr: no, haven't had time to properly track it down and the obvious workaround I thought should fix it, apparently doesn't
[11:46] <sherwin> how do i install internet explorer on ubuntu
[11:46] <thoreauputic> sherwin: you're kidding, right?
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> wtf?
[11:46] <sherwin> no
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> wine
[11:46] <sherwin> i need to run application using wine
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> IE? *shudders*
[11:46] <sherwin> but it need internet explorer
[11:47] <kestas> sherwin: you need to get an old version of wine
[11:47] <kestas> sherwin: google winetools
[11:47] <sherwin> wat version
[11:47] <Firetech> thoreauputic: it is possible, I've done it (for fun, and broken sites...) The second time I ran it it even wanted to run Windows Update ;)
[11:47] <sherwin> i have installed winetools but it doesnt install ie
[11:47] <kestas> sherwin: yeah not in ubuntu's version
[11:47] <sherwin> hehe
[11:47] <kestas> sherwin: if you look at the docs youll see a version it recommends
[11:47] <sherwin> my ubuntu version?
[11:47] <tobifr> daniels: thanks anyway, I'll try to live with that. maybe I'll commit suicide later on ;-)
[11:47] <thoreauputic> Firetech: haha - Windows update - "update to Ubuntu!"
[11:48] <cscolt> haha my bud installed firefox through wine so that he could use quicktime or something of the   sort
[11:48] <Firetech> I was pretty amazed when it worked too :P
[11:48] <sherwin> i installed the latest wine though
[11:48] <kestas> Firetech: which wine version did you use?
[11:48] <kestas> sherwin: yes thats the problem
[11:48] <sherwin> the latest
[11:48] <Firetech> I use CrossOver Office
[11:48] <kestas> sherwin: certain versions work better
[11:48] <sherwin> so what version of wine will i use
[11:49] <Firetech> it has an automated process of iunstalling IE
[11:49] <kestas> sherwin: read the winetools docs
[11:49] <Firetech> -u
[11:49] <sherwin> ok thanks
[11:49] <kestas> sherwin: it recommends 20040914 or something
[11:49] <sherwin> ok
[11:49] <sherwin> where do i get it
[11:49] <kestas> good question
[11:49] <kestas> no idea
[11:49] <sherwin> heheeh ok
[11:50] <sherwin> thanks
[11:50] <kestas> Firetech: what security fixes?
[11:50] <Firetech> sherwin: it's a lot easier if you buy CrossOver Office
[11:50] <thoreauputic> Firetech: I notice there's a new kernel update in the update manager here
[11:50] <sherwin> how much is it
[11:50] <Firetech> kestas: see the forum 's security announcement
[11:50] <thoreauputic> Firetech: for i686 anyway
[11:50] <Firetech> yup
[11:50] <Dave2> Is there a binary package of the rt2x00 drivers in Ubuntu?
[11:50] <Firetech> but I run a custom one, I dont like initrd...
[11:51] <thoreauputic> Firetech: ah , I see
[11:51] <sherwin> anyone has successfuly installed a cafe timer here?
[11:51] <Firetech> sherwin: www.codeweavers.com
[11:51] <sherwin> ok thanks firetech
[11:51] <jsgotangco> hah
[11:52] <thoreauputic> jsgotangco: good evening :)
[11:52] <sherwin> im trying to install cafesuite on wine but no luck
[11:52] <jsgotangco> thoreauputic, hey how are you?
[11:53] <thoreauputic> jsgotangco: not bad - how are things in the Phillipines?
[11:53] <Firetech> initrd stops me from booting if i hard restart the computer during boot. Only cold booting solves it.
[11:53] <jsgotangco> thoreauputic, not bad, its raining though, but no excuse not to code heh
[11:53] <Firetech> so I prefer running without it...
[11:54] <thoreauputic> jsgotangco: apt-get install umbrella ?
[11:54] <jsgotangco> thoreauputic, you should save some and visit here sometime heh
[11:54] <sherwin> jsgotangco where u from philippines
[11:54] <jsgotangco> sherwin, QC
[11:54] <sherwin> ok im in pangasinan
[11:54] <sherwin> nice kabayan
[11:54] <Firetech> away. school...
[11:55] <jsgotangco> sherwin, have you tried looking at freshmeat
[11:55] <sherwin> what is freshmeat
[11:55] <goldfish> young girls are freshmeat !
[11:55] <goldfish> *cough*
[11:55] <goldfish> Website.
[11:55] <jsgotangco> ackk!
[11:55] <sherwin> hahahaah
[11:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol goldfish
[11:55] <sherwin> im trying to install cafesuite a cafe timer but no luck
[11:56] <IIIEars> jsgotanco - Have you contributed to Ubuntu/Kubuntu? :)
[11:56] <jsgotangco> IIIEars, i do documentation work and wrote some specs
[11:56] <sherwin> anyone got to install a cafe timer?
[11:56] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is wonderful. many thanks
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> sherwin. what is it?
[11:57] <jsgotangco> sherwin, try this www.hodoman.com it may help
[11:58] <muszek> I think I've seen a tea timer under debian sarge when I installed it yesterday :)
[11:58] <muszek> not quite a spectacular piece of soft... user chooses tea kind (black, fruit, etc.) and the timer is set :)
[11:59] <IIIEars> jsgotangco - Did you worry i was going to ask for a feature or complain about something? - grin
[11:59] <jsgotangco> IIIEars, comments and suggestions are always welcome *grin*
[11:59] <jsgotangco> but features, nah not on this release cycle
[11:59] <sherwin> muszek where is the tea timer website
[11:59] <IIIEars> jsgotangco - So... You work as a diplomat?
[12:00] <muszek> sherwin: no idea, I got it while installing debian sarge
[12:00] <jsgotangco> IIIEars, if its realistically workable
[12:00] <sherwin> yes ive seen hodaman however it is just a trial
[12:00] <IIIEars> that was a joke. (sheepish grin)
[12:00] <muszek> you might take a look at their repositories
[12:00] <count0nz> sherwin, its part of KDE
[12:00] <sherwin> ok thanks
[12:00] <count0nz> kde toys
[12:00] <thoreauputic> sherwin, muszek it's a KDE "toy"
[12:00] <jsgotangco> tea timer is a toy
[12:01] <kisain> actually i make my tea by it
[12:01] <sherwin> sory im noob to linux ehehe
[12:01] <kisain> it does a pritty good job
[12:01] <count0nz> :) it rocks :)
[12:01] <muszek> it had "3 minutes" for a black tea... and every kid knows that 1 minute is the best time ;)
[12:01] <sherwin> you i like the chat here
[12:02] <sherwin> everybody is suggesting something
[12:02] <jsgotangco> sherwin, this might be the one your looking for
[12:02] <jsgotangco> sherwin, http://freshmeat.net/projects/zeiberbude/
[12:02] <sherwin> ok i will look for it
[12:02] <ekCo> hello, i keep getting this error when trying to play ut2k4
[12:02] <ekCo> root@ekCo:/ # ut2004
[12:02] <ekCo> ./ut2004-bin: error while loading shared libraries: ./libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:02] <thoreauputic> sherwin: if you just want a timer, you might like mine: uses Xdialog
[12:02] <IIIEars> jsgo, nice find
[12:03] <cscolt> ubuntu is the ultimate freedom
[12:03] <muszek> crap... i forgot to export one database under fedora... is there some easy way to move data from mysql 3.23 to 4.1?  provided I don't have running 3.23...
[12:03] <sherwin> wow ill try this sofware i guess
[12:03] <count0nz> what flood :)
[12:03] <ekCo> can anyone help me?
[12:03] <cscolt> with?
[12:04] <ekCo> this error in ut2k4
[12:04] <ekCo> root@ekCo:/ # ut2004
[12:04] <ekCo> ./ut2004-bin: error while loading shared libraries: ./libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:04] <jsgotangco> sherwin, pretty bling bling heh
[12:04] <thoreauputic> ekCo: I know a good shrink *grin*
[12:04] <ekCo> ..
[12:04] <sherwin> thoreauputic what is it
[12:04] <Crasp> ekCo: install libsdl, and don't run it as root
[12:04] <ekCo> well how can i get libsdl?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> sherwin: my timer you mean?
[12:04] <ekCo> same problem as user too Crasp
[12:04] <sherwin> thoreauputic yes
[12:04] <Crasp> ekCo: use the packagemanager that ships with ubuntu
[12:04] <thoreauputic> sherwin: it's a little thing I wrote for timing things
[12:05] <sherwin> ah ok
[12:05] <Crasp> ekCo: you can search for libsdl
[12:05] <jsgotangco> sherwin, i guess posting at PLUG didn't help?
[12:05] <Crasp> ekCo: or you can type apt-cache search libsdl on the console and install the package you need using apt-get install
[12:05] <Battletux> hi all
[12:05] <ekCo> theres heaps of libsdl
[12:05] <thoreauputic> sherwin: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/Timer_Script.html
[12:05] <ekCo> which one lol
[12:06] <Crasp> probably something like libsdl-1.2
[12:06] <sherwin> wow thanks thoreauputic
[12:06] <ekCo> the 1.2.dev?
[12:06] <Crasp> no not .dev
[12:06] <jsgotangco> hello JaneW :)
[12:06] <Crasp> without dev
[12:07] <ekCo> erm there isnt one
[12:07] <thoreauputic> sherwin: you need Xdialog for it to work
[12:07] <sherwin> jsgotangco the website for timer i think is offline
[12:07] <sherwin> ok
[12:07] <ekCo> Craps, the dev is the only 1.2 marked one.
[12:07] <jsgotangco> sherwin, http://freshmeat.net/projects/zeiberbude/
[12:07] <jsgotangco> its not
[12:07] <ekCo> but in description its the update for things that use SDL, so..
[12:07] <thoreauputic> sherwin: the colours file is completely optional
[12:07] <Crasp> ekCo: apt-get install libsdl-1.2
[12:08] <Crasp> try it
[12:08] <JaneW> jsgotangco: hi
[12:08] <ekCo> nothing found
[12:08] <sherwin> i think the website is online however no items to look for heheh
[12:08] <jsgotangco> thoreauputic, nice script simple yet effective
[12:08] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:08] <Crasp> ekCo: well i can't search for you.. don't have an ubuntu install near hand
[12:08] <ekCo> libsdl-1.2-dev .. was the file..
[12:08] <thoreauputic> jsgotangco: thanks :)
[12:09] <theine> Can I find the changelog from linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 2.6.10-34 to 2.6.10-34.1 somewhere?
[12:09] <ekCo> theres a gfx, one aswell
[12:09] <ekCo> then thats it
[12:09] <kisain> anyone know how to format a floppy?
[12:09] <kisain> i can't seem to do it
[12:09] <kisain> :(
[12:10] <topyli> kisain: how are you trying? how are you failing?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> kisain: man fdformat :)
[12:10] <theine> kisain, I think you could do `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/fd0`
[12:10] <topyli> no
[12:11] <theine> fdformat is a better solution of course :)
[12:11] <topyli> theine: dd doesn't make a filesystem :)
[12:11] <nayif> kisain, is the GUI tools work for you
[12:11] <theine> topyli, true enough...
[12:11] <raptoid> how do u install usb printer for ubuntu ?
[12:11] <kisain> i don't know where they are
[12:11] <kisain> >.<
[12:12] <topyli> kisain: well, gui tools are in the menu
[12:12] <kisain> shane@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdformat /dev/fd0
[12:12] <kisain> Could not determine current format type: No such device
[12:12] <kisain> shane@ubuntu:~$
[12:12] <kisain> weard sorry for pasting lol
[12:13] <theine> kisain, does /dev/fd0 even exist?
[12:13] <IIIEars> raptoid - What happened when you clicked on "Printing" in the "Administration" menu?
[12:14] <raptoid> what?
[12:14] <kisain> i think it does i have it hooked up
[12:14] <theine> kisain, do `ls /dev/fd0'
[12:14] <kisain> i tryed kfloppy but somethings not right
[12:15] <theine> kisain, did you try Applications -> System Tools -> Floppy Formatter ?
[12:15] <thoreauputic> kisain: make sure you don't have the floppy mounted
[12:15] <topyli> kisain: did kfloppy give you an error message, "something's not right"?
[12:15] <thoreauputic> kisain: I think it needs to be not mounted
[12:15] <IIIEars> raptoid - There are a lot of menu options. under system in the top desk menu Administration .. printing what happened?
[12:15] <kisain> how to unmount
[12:16] <kisain> shane@ubuntu:~$ ls /dev/fd0
[12:16] <kisain> /dev/fd0
[12:16] <kisain> shane@ubuntu:~$
[12:16] <thoreauputic> umount /dev/fd0 should do it
[12:16] <theine> kisain, ok, it does exist
[12:16] <kisain> shane@ubuntu:~$ umount /dev/fd0
[12:16] <kisain> umount: /dev/fd0 is not mounted (according to mtab)
[12:16] <kisain> shane@ubuntu:~$
[12:17] <k31th> Linux terminal server ? anyone got any links or info ?
[12:17] <kisain> i don't understand it
[12:17] <thoreauputic> kisain: OK well that isn't the problem then - I take it you have a floppy in the drive?
[12:17] <kisain> yes
[12:17] <theine> kisain, is there data on that floppy?
[12:17] <kisain> there might be from windows
[12:17] <topyli> k31th: "linux terminal server" in google will probably yield their home page
[12:18] <theine> kisain, maybe try to mount it and see whether that works...
[12:18] <k31th> na
[12:18] <k31th> tried
[12:18] <k31th> ahh nx server i think it i
[12:18] <k31th> s
[12:18] <kisain> tried how long does it take?
[12:18] <thoreauputic> kisain: what does the /dev/fd0 line in /etc/fstab say ?
[12:18] <topyli> k31th: here, ltsp.org is the first hit
[12:18] <k31th> yeah
[12:18] <thoreauputic> kisain: it possibly can't recognise the format
[12:18] <kisain> how do i call up that info "ls"?
[12:18] <k31th> thats no good
[12:19] <k31th> i want it to do windows ts
[12:19] <theine> kisain, try `sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt'
[12:19] <thoreauputic> kisain: cat /etc/fstab
[12:19] <topyli> k31th: nothing will
[12:19] <topyli> i guess
[12:19] <k31th> it will
[12:19] <k31th> nx will
[12:19] <topyli> ah, ok
[12:19] <pepsi> think breezy will boot?
[12:19] <kisain>  /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[12:20] <kisain> is the output
[12:20] <topyli> pepsi: i guess some days it will, other days it won't
[12:20] <thoreauputic> kisain: try changing auto to vfat, and add umask=o to the "rw,user,noauto" part
[12:20] <kisain> ok
[12:20] <thoreauputic> o should be zero, sorry
[12:21] <ekCo> hey Crasp im still getting the error
[12:21] <ekCo> ><!
[12:22] <ekCo> can anyone help me with my ut2004 prob?
[12:22] <pepsi> x wont start
[12:22] <pepsi> i see
[12:22] <Crasp> ekCo: you have something like.. libsdl1.2ubuntu-all?
[12:23] <ekCo> no
[12:25] <ekCo> i cant find anything to suite the criteria....
[12:25] <thoreauputic> kisain: any luck?
[12:25] <ekCo> anything else i can do Crasp
[12:27] <Crasp> ekCo: well you just need to install the package which contains libSDL1.2.so.0
[12:27] <Crasp> ekCo: i don't know if ubuntu has a similar websearch like debian, but if it has it should be easy
[12:28] <norm_> i'm wondering how i get a separator in my gnome panel? isn't it possible?
[12:29] <ekCo> argh how can i search for it again?
[12:29] <topyli> apt-cache search
[12:29] <topyli> oh, a file
[12:30] <bgate669> who was interest in linux plese join #knopix
[12:30] <cscolt> haha knoppix is like uh no....
[12:31] <cscolt> knoppix has its place but its not in a dedicated install
[12:31] <thoreauputic> cscolt: hmm - I had a hard drive install of knoppix for a year or so and it worked well
[12:32] <jsgotangco> its not so bad
[12:32] <jsgotangco> but its not what its meant for
[12:32] <thoreauputic> cscolt: the trick is to use the right sources and not attempt a dist-upgrade
[12:32] <thoreauputic> jsgotangco: true
[12:32] <jsgotangco> anyways, im getting dinner bye bye
[12:32] <cscolt> i have one too but i dont like it b/c apt-get sucks and it crashes alot
[12:32] <cscolt> later jsgotangco
[12:33] <thoreauputic> see you jsgotangco
[12:33] <cscolt> haha dist-upgrades would kill the poor thing haha in fact a apt-get upgrade will kill it
[12:33] <cscolt> thats why i dont like it
[12:34] <thoreauputic> cscolt: I had testing and unstable debian sources and had no problems: but I didn't push it
[12:34] <thoreauputic> cscolt: ubuntu is better anyway :)
[12:35] <cscolt> thoreauputic, I switched from knoppix to ubuntu
[12:35] <thoreauputic> cscolt: so did I :)
[12:35] <cscolt> I used knoppix for 8months but it doesnt compare to ubuntu
[12:36] <thoreauputic> cscolt: I still have Debian Woody on my old P200 though
[12:36] <cscolt> if you think about it, it is in a different leage
[12:36] <thoreauputic> cscolt: yes, knoppix is designed for a different purpose
[12:36] <wdh> cscolt, if you dont't think about it, it's still in a different league :)
[12:37] <cscolt> I'm on knoppix right now but while im chatting with you I'm looking for a cdr to burn ubuntu
[12:37] <thoreauputic> Knoppix is excellent for disaster recovery and such
[12:37] <cscolt> wdh,  so so true
[12:38] <wdh> thoreauputic, it sure is. I heard of an initiative to make the breezy live-cd competitive with knoppix though :)
[12:38] <wdh> s/heard of/read about
[12:38] <IIIEars> thoreaputic - Did knoppix have a desktop? - i oly used qtparted. - grin
[12:38] <cscolt> hoary has a live cd
[12:39] <cscolt> which i used to test compatability not too long ago
[12:39] <wdh> i still need a knoppix cd now to install ubuntu on the average windows desktop..
[12:39] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: oh yes - KDE is the default on Knoppix, of course :)
[12:39] <IIIEars> heh'
[12:40] <cscolt> omg i fell asleep just now and woke up choking cuz som1 said kde
[12:40] <cscolt> haah
[12:40] <wdh> lol
[12:40] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: Knopper is German after all, and his name starts with a "K" *grin*
[12:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[12:40] <IIIEars> thoreaputic - I feel kind of funnny about asking you for a favor...
[12:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[12:40] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: you can ask - I might refuse ;)
[12:41] <cscolt> haha i never really liked gnome untill ubuntu and now im just indifferent
[12:41] <IIIEars> thoreaputic - could you add md5sum to the right click options?
[12:41] <count0nz> i never realy liked gnome till now now i like it more than KDE :)
[12:41] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: umm, I'm not  adeveloper
[12:41] <tyrese> is there anyway to increase the resolution on an iBook??
[12:41] <wdh> count0nz, same here
[12:42] <wdh> tyrese, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:42] <tyrese> wdh, Thanks!
[12:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont like *gnome* as such. i like the *gnome bundled with ubuntu*
[12:42] <count0nz> i think thay have some subliminal advertiseing :)
[12:42] <wdh> tyrese, assuming your display supports higher resolutions :)
[12:42] <thoreauputic> cscolt: why the ctcp? Just curious?
[12:42] <IIIEars> ah okay. - struggled this evening with scripts to add it. - just couldn't get the chmod command options right.
[12:42] <cscolt> thoreauputic,  just wondering what time it was for ya its 03:42 local time for me
[12:43] <thoreauputic> ah I see :)
[12:43] <IIIEars> scritpting won't add it to all users though. :/
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Mon May 23 20:43:06 EST 2005
[12:44] <kisain> damnit the box won't use fd0
[12:44] <spinifex> this is bugging me.  It constantly switches to using wireless rather than lan
[12:44] <kisain> it's pissing me off lol
[12:44] <cscolt> you know someone almost fell over when they looked at my linux running laptop during a speech class
[12:44] <spinifex> I set the default device to eth0 but it changes to eth1 on its own
[12:45] <wdh> cscolt, there are still people who cannot believe of a computer without MS windows :)
[12:45] <topyli> cscolt: kinetic wallpaper? :)
[12:45] <tyrese> how can i tell what graphics chip my iBook is using?
[12:45] <wdh> tyrese, lspci?
[12:45] <spinifex> cscolt: what display settings did you have?
[12:45] <IIIEars> thoreaputic - Can you help me with chmod? an example?
[12:46] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: what are you wanring to change?
[12:46] <tyrese> of course it's lspci - i don't know why i thought it would be diffrent!
[12:46] <ekCo> is a .run file used by sh or...
[12:46] <topyli> cscolt: in a non-tech conference, using linux laptops for slide shows has a great impact too :)
[12:46] <thoreauputic> *wanting
[12:46] <IIIEars> adding an md5sum to the right click menu.
[12:46] <spinifex> any help here?
[12:47] <cscolt> oh i was running knoppix that time... with superkaramba with loads of facts on my desktop
[12:47] <wdh> spinifex, about what?
[12:47] <cscolt> weather and xine info
[12:47] <cscolt> etc
[12:47] <spinifex> ubuntu keeps switching to wireless even though I'm on a lan and the wireless is out of range
[12:47] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: you need to make a script executable?
[12:47] <spinifex> so it just disconnects me
[12:47] <cscolt> what is the karamba equivilent in Ubuntu?
[12:47] <topyli> karamba
[12:48] <floo> can anyone help?
[12:48] <IIIEars> thoreaputic - creating the script is fairly easy (escaping blank spaces in paths is tough) just can't make it executable.
[12:48] <spinifex> I do use a wireless network, so I'd like to keep it configured, but I explicitly set my default device to eth0.  And every time I open my network settings it's changed back to eth1, like a half hour after I just set it, without restarting
[12:48] <cscolt> uh i meant in gnome not ubuntu, but does karamba work w/ gnome?
[12:48] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: if so use chmod +x /path/to/script
[12:48] <IIIEars> hm - tried that. darn
[12:48] <wdh> IIIEars, and you might wanna add #!/bin/sh to the first line
[12:48] <johns^> exit
[12:49] <spinifex> how can I get it to stay the way I set it?
[12:49] <IIIEars> lol - did that too.
[12:49] <spinifex> I'm using "Network settings"
[12:49] <johns^> hm, excuse me
[12:49] <topyli> cscolt: gdesklets has similar stuff
[12:49] <Shuddertrix> karamba should work, if not, gdesklets.
[12:49] <phend> is there any way of using an aol dialup account in linux?
[12:49] <wdh> IIIEars, what does `ls -al' say about the file?
[12:49] <IIIEars> I get errors when i chmod it. - it'll give me something to think about.
[12:49] <IIIEars> I'll check.
[12:49] <floo> I've just compiled a new kernel and I've had to install the nvidia driver from nvidia .com but I keep getting segmaentation faults when i try to run glx apps.. any ideas
[12:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> phend. i know linspire has a client, check around
[12:50] <spinifex> if no one can help me with my network settings problem, I gotta go to sleep.  gnite
[12:50] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: are you the owner of the file? Did you write and save it as your user?
[12:50] <floo> someething to do with nt finding libgls.so
[12:50] <floo> libglx.so
[12:50] <tyrese> wdh, I've done all the reconfiguring, and for some reason, i still can only select 600x480 for my screen resolution
[12:50] <wdh> IIIEars, this will definitely work: sudo chmod 777 /path/to/file
[12:51] <wdh> IIIEars, its not very safe though.. but worth a try..
[12:51] <cscolt> ok guys time to reboot into the hoary install menu bbl and wish me the best in installs
[12:51] <IIIEars> Okay - going to do that then
[12:51] <wdh> tyrese, have tyou tried restarting X?
[12:51] <wdh> s/tyou/you
[12:51] <count0nz> cscolt, good luck :) welcome to hoary in advance
[12:52] <wdh> cscolt, good luck :)
[12:52] <Shuddertrix> phend, compile www.linspire.com/dialersource
[12:52] <Shuddertrix> should work.
[12:53] <tyrese> wdh, I restarted the machine
[12:53] <wdh> Shuddertrix, do you by any chance know whether the tools linspire developed are open-source?
[12:53] <Shuddertrix> Some are, some aren't from what I see..
[12:54] <jono> anyone know if you can set wget to just visit a web page and not download it?
[12:54] <wdh> tyrese, try finding the horizontal and vertical refreshrate of your monitor online..
[12:54] <wdh> jono, why would you want that?
[12:54] <IIIEars> Shuddertrix - Will that work to translate AOL protocol if you use an ethernet card to connect?
[12:54] <thoreauputic> jono: I think you want the "spider" option
[12:54] <thoreauputic> jono: it's in the man page I seem to recall
[12:55] <phend> Shuddertrix, cool ta, I'll have a look
[12:55] <jono> cheers :)
[12:55] <jono> wdh, to ping a site
[12:55] <Shuddertrix> IIIEars: I have no idea.
[12:56] <IIIEars> Shuddertrix - Gave up my Windows addiction for something better last month. - Giving up AOL should be a cinch. - grin
[12:56] <thoreauputic> jono: the spider option seems to just check for the existence of the URLs
[12:56] <Shuddertrix> I hear Earthlink doesn't shove their client down your throat :)
[12:57] <thoreauputic> jono: jono as in Bacon?
[12:58] <jono> thoreauputic, yep
[12:59] <Riddell> thoreauputic: bow low, you are in presence of a hero
[12:59] <jono> Riddell, hehe, heya jon, hows it going?
[12:59] <Riddell> groovy groovy
[12:59] <thoreauputic> jono: ah, the broadcaster who uses language *grin*
[12:59] <jono> thoreauputic, yep :P
[12:59] <thoreauputic> jono: hehe
[01:02] <jr_G-man> warning....Jono may use harsh language sometime during this chat
[01:02] <thoreauputic> Riddell: BTW, Kubuntu is very impressive: congrats to all concerned ( I believe you are one of them?)
[01:02] <IIIEars> Shuddertrix - Linspire AOL is mostly python. - nice
[01:02] <jr_G-man> or animal sounds....one or the other
[01:02] <Shuddertrix> yup
[01:02] <thenuke> btw, is kde lighter than gnome?
[01:03] <Riddell> thoreauputic: I am, thanks
[01:03] <thoreauputic> thenuke: it seems to be a bit more responsive on my machine
[01:03] <selinium> Hi thoreauputic :)
[01:03] <Riddell> thenuke: it's a lighter blue colour yes
[01:03] <thoreauputic> Riddell: nice attention to detail :)
[01:03] <Shuddertrix> i've always seen KDE a little more bloated, but it stays speedy. your choice.
[01:03] <thoreauputic> selinium: hi again:)
[01:04] <thenuke> I have p2-300 with 64megs of ram running gnome in here :D
[01:04] <thenuke> I know about fluxbox and such, but but :)
[01:04] <selinium> Hi all, for some reason i cannot connect to www.phpfreaks.com using Ubuntu and Firefox. I was wondering what might have caused this?
[01:05] <hhurtta> thenuke: doesn't work lightning fast, does it >_<
[01:05] <wdh> selinium, no idea, same problem here
[01:05] <Shuddertrix> works here
[01:06] <tsw> thenuke: I dont have the nerves to run gnome on my laptop (500PIII 196megs ram)
[01:06] <wdh> selinium, probably some temp problem on the webserver..
[01:06] <wdh> selinium, guess it'll be fixed any time soon
[01:06] <selinium> Shuddertrix: have you changed any settings in FireFox?
[01:07] <selinium> wdh: i have been trying for a couple of days!
[01:07] <thoreauputic> tsw: should work OK with those specs
[01:07] <wdh> selinium, good luck then :)
[01:07] <Shuddertrix> 1: It's Firefox 2: No.
[01:07] <thenuke> hhurtta: well, when I open firefox, I can go to make coffee and when coffee is ready, firefox has just started too :D
[01:07] <thenuke> tsw: your hw is easily enough for it
[01:07] <hhurtta> wow. thats faster than i thought :)
[01:07] <wdh> selinium, you could try some other browser
[01:08] <tsw> thoreauputic: too slow for me.. I think that this machines gpu has something to do with it also.. all screen drawing operations are painfully slow
[01:08] <thenuke> tsw: I have another ubuntu/gnome on p3-500 with hmm.. 128 or 196 or 256 megs of ram.. cant remember
[01:08] <thenuke> tsw: it's pretty usable but would not use it as my own desktop of course
[01:08] <selinium> wdh: true, it seems a little daft putting another browser on the system for one website! :)
[01:08] <Shuddertrix> my K6-2 500/550 runs ubuntu happily with gnome/fluxbox. :)
[01:09] <thenuke> it's all about the memory
[01:09] <Raskall> A little, off-topic, tip: Do not clean the inside of your dishwasher with ordinary dishwasher soap:
[01:09] <Raskall> http://rolfas.net/?p=361
[01:09] <Shuddertrix> slow, slow, very slow 256mb sdram
[01:10] <thenuke> no thing is off topic if we dont have any topic what we should stick to
[01:10] <tsw> does anyone know about XEN irc channel (or are there any XEN users in here?)
[01:11] <lcore> ubuntu 2.6.10-5 update / USN-131-1 question: Is it safe to apt-get upgrade / use update-manager to update the linux-image? Has anybody done it? Had any problems?
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> its fine
[01:11] <Seveas> lcore, official updates are always safe to use
[01:11] <thoreauputic> lcore: yes, safe. yes I've done it
[01:11] <count0nz> LOL@Raskall :) thats kinda funny..... cauld be worse
[01:11] <thoreauputic> lcore: it will even update your bootloader
[01:12] <lcore> Seveas, thoreauputic thanx.
[01:12] <Raskall> count0nz: :) yes. the repair guy said we have to let the dishwasher dry out for a couple of days. Right now it doesn't work at all.
[01:12] <lcore> thoreauputic, grub in graphical finally?
[01:12] <count0nz> Raskall, :( ouch :(
[01:12] <Seveas> lcore, no
[01:12] <thoreauputic> lcore: not yet
[01:12] <Seveas> just the menu
[01:12] <Seveas> but you can easily add a background image to grub
[01:13] <lcore> Seveas, oh. That's understandable. As to the backgound done it already...
[01:14] <cliebow_>    bbl
[01:14] <kestas> anyone here ever set up dual monitors on linux?
[01:17] <kestas> no-one?
[01:17] <tsw> kestas: I have three
[01:17] <kestas> tsw is it easy? is there a guide or any advice you can give before I give it a shot?
[01:18] <tsw> kestas: depends on you graphics card.. google around for howtos
[01:18] <cocoon> hi ubuntu community
[01:18] <cocoon> wazzup?
[01:18] <tsw> kestas: nvidia cards are quite easy to setup
[01:18] <kikdadog> morning all,
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[01:18] <kestas> tsw well Ive got one nvidia and one ati or intel/generic
[01:18] <kestas> Ive got a couple of spare ones
[01:19] <kestas> both are really old though, compared to my nvidia one
[01:19] <cocoon> i've running nvidia mobile under ubuntu 5.04
[01:19] <cocoon> and its work great
[01:19] <tsw> kestas: should work. I have nvidia (with dual outputs) and matrox
[01:19] <kikdadog> trying to decide which cd burning program to use, any suggestions
[01:19] <kestas> hmm okay, is configuring X all there is to it?
[01:19] <cocoon> k3b is my burning favorit
[01:20] <cocoon> kikdadog, k3b
[01:20] <kikdadog> will that work in ubuntu
[01:20] <cocoon> jep
[01:20] <kikdadog> cool
[01:20] <kikdadog> gonna get it now
[01:20] <Shuddertrix> k3b or nerolinux, both work fine.
[01:21] <cocoon> nerolinux
[01:21] <cocoon> cool
[01:21] <tsw> nerolinux? sounds good
[01:21] <Shuddertrix> sad that nerolinux costs though.
[01:21] <kikdadog> i tried gnomebaker, just wouldnt work
[01:21] <topyli> nero. urgh
[01:21] <Bazzi-> why sad that there is software which is not free? :/
[01:21] <Shuddertrix> good trial, though, and Google is your friend (use your head, please)
[01:22] <Shuddertrix> http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX.html
[01:22] <cocoon> or cdrtoaster
[01:22] <cocoon> or xcdroast
[01:22] <cocoon> ;-)
[01:22] <Shuddertrix> yeah, they are all good
[01:22] <kikdadog> tried that couldnt get it to confifuire
[01:22] <kikdadog> configure
[01:22] <ivan> which gcc should i install?
[01:22] <ivan> 3.4 or 4?
[01:23] <mikl> ivan: gcc4 is the future :)
[01:23] <mrmat> Hi :)
[01:23] <cocoon> for me its faster with gcc4
[01:24] <mrmat> im running under gnome but i would like to test KDE ... I had DL all the package pour KDE and install them , but now i don't kkonw how to run KDE ...
[01:24] <cocoon> you can switch it
[01:24] <cocoon> at the login
[01:24] <cocoon> session and select kde ;-)
[01:24] <ivan> does ubuntu automatically install gnome?
[01:25] <cocoon> yes
[01:25] <ivan> and X
[01:25] <cocoon> ivan, yes
[01:25] <ivan> and on bootup load into X?
[01:25] <Shuddertrix> yes
[01:25] <wolverian> kikdadog: graveman is in universe as well, it's nice enough
[01:25] <kikdadog> i tried KDE switched back
[01:25] <cocoon> but you can install everything easily with the package manager synaptic
[01:25] <Shuddertrix> well, actually, right into gdm, but that's still X ;)
[01:25] <ivan> is that only since hoary, or warty too?
[01:25] <wolverian> (re: cd burning)
[01:26] <wolverian> ivan: warty. unless you install in the server mode. :)
[01:26] <ivan> i installed it yesterday (warty), but since no gnome was auto installed, i just got xfce instead
[01:26] <DragonWhelp> Hi, does Ubuntu 5.x Supports ATI_Graphiccards such as an ATI X800XL ?
[01:26] <kikdadog> downloading the k3b, but comes with alot of other packages
[01:26] <wolverian> ivan: that is bizarre.
[01:26] <ivan> yea, from the ubuntu pressed cds that they ship
[01:27] <wolverian> DragonWhelp: the open source ATI drivers don't support 3D acceleration on the newer cards, but you can install the fglrx binary driver from ATI. it's in main or universe.
[01:27] <wolverian> DragonWhelp: in any case, the answer is "yes"
[01:28] <thoreauputic> ivan: very odd - my warty and hoary CDs installed gnome by default
[01:28] <ivan> oh well, i don't like gnome anyway
[01:29] <k31th> Ahh chip shop time
[01:30] <selinium> wdh: have you changed your ip tables? with firestarter?
[01:33] <xy77> Hi there. Does anyone have experiences in using Ubuntu as a server? Nothing fancy, only ftp, http and mysql probably, but with access from outside the local net (=the rest of the world)?
[01:34] <daniels> xy77: *.ubuntu.com is run on Ubuntu, and always has been
[01:34] <IIIEars> Hello! :)
[01:35] <xy77> daniels: you don't happen to know about a howto or a guide that helps setting such a server up? I mean it helps if I don't have to figure out, which ftp-server to use and what to consider.
[01:35] <daniels> xy77: not really, just common sense
[01:35] <daniels> pick one that's in main (i.e., has security support) and looks sensible for your needs
[01:35] <xy77> daniels: thanks.
[01:36] <selinium> xy77: www.ubuntuguide.org has a walk through!
[01:36] <cscolt> :) ubuntuguide.org is like the #1 reason to use ubuntu
[01:36] <IIIEars> thoreaputic - adding md5sum gnome app launcher to run in terminal. How do you keep the terminal open to read the output?
[01:36] <Seveas> cscolt, no, supertux is reason #1 :)
[01:37] <HavoK> hi there.. I need some help with gst#
[01:37] <selinium> xy77: Remember to install firestarter to open port 80 for extenal traffic if you a re serving up to the web
[01:37] <HavoK> I've downloaded the cvs version but I can't compile it
[01:37] <kikdadog> what is supertux
[01:37] <HavoK> it says: configure: error: Install gstreamer and gstreamer-plugins
[01:37] <IIIEars> thoreaputic - the terminal closes before you can read it.
[01:37] <HavoK> but I'm *sure* they're installed
[01:38] <HavoK> kikdadog: it's an awesome platform game
[01:38] <IIIEars> Hints?
[01:38] <krg> Heh.
[01:38] <kikdadog> can i apt it
[01:38] <krg> Is firestarter some sort of GUI-based firewall thingy?
[01:38] <IIIEars> krg - yes
[01:38] <Seveas> krg, yes, it's sn iptables frontend
[01:38] <krg> Yeah.
[01:38] <krg> See.
[01:38] <cscolt> Seveas, no, supertux is readon #1 for using linux
[01:38] <IIIEars> It is very easy to configure
[01:38] <krg> Installing X on a server is ridiculous.
[01:39] <HavoK> IIIEars: about this =>  adding md5sum gnome app launcher to run in terminal. How do you keep the terminal open to read the output?
[01:39] <HavoK> you may use read
[01:39] <Seveas> vim is also a nice frontend to iptables :)
[01:39] <HavoK> your_command; read
[01:39] <HavoK> you'll have to press enter to proceed
[01:39] <IIIEars> krg - later if you decide you need more granular control graft it's cfg script - regular IPTables format.
[01:40] <IIIEars> Havo - Good Morning! :)
[01:40] <Gog> Seveas: talking of iptables ... anyone know why it's a bad idea to filter in the mangle PREROUTING chain?
[01:40] <Gog> (I've noticed conflicting examples - some drop spoofs in prerouting, others say don't filter at all in it)
[01:41] <IIIEars> Adding md5sum to the panel with the run in terminal option. you can't read it's output.(i can't spell sorry.)
[01:41] <mrmat> !list
[01:41] <mrmat> oups ..
[01:41] <Seveas> IIIEars, make this the command: "your_complet_command; read"
[01:41] <IIIEars> mrmat "!list" added to the command?
[01:42] <IIIEars> no pipes or anything else? it can't be that simple? - lol
[01:42] <mrmat> no forget it :)   mistake of channel ;)
[01:43] <kikdadog> grrr i still ned the cdrdao package
[01:43] <IIIEars> Seveas - " md5sum  $@ read "  - ??
[01:43] <Seveas> don't forget the ; before read
[01:43] <IIIEars> ah - Okay!
[01:45] <IIIEars> Seveas - The Terminal is still closing. Zapp!
[01:46] <unalone> hello every one
[01:47] <Seveas> hi
[01:48] <IIIEars> This has got to be simple. do i need a gnome path_data_ command?
[01:48] <unalone> i don't know,i'm finding a more quickly apt mirror :(
[01:48] <Seveas> IIIEars, pipe the output of md5sum to zenity --text-info --filename /proc/self/fd/0 --title "md5sum output"
[01:49] <IIIEars> Poking around in Gnome is dangerous. - just tried a lime green color scheme. - lol
[01:49] <kikdadog> when burning an iso with k3b, should i check the verify written data box
[01:50] <Seveas> like this: md5sum $SOMETHING 2>&1 | zenity --textinfo --filename /proc/self/fd/0 --title "output"
[01:50] <unalone> also, it's better that there could find more applications :)
[01:50] <IIIEars> Seveas - I appreciate your help.
[01:50] <Seveas> zenity rocks for this kind of stuff
[01:50] <Seveas> you don't even need to say 'run in terminal'
[01:51] <IIIEars> Seveas - erm - going to google what "zenity" is. (sigh)
[01:51] <Seveas> zenity is something that creates dialogs from the command line
[01:51] <Seveas> type man zenity in a terminal for info :)
[01:51] <IIIEars> Okay :)
[01:51] <Fator_Dee> IIIEars: no google, "man" is your new master "Hisshhh, Koshhh..."
[01:52] <IIIEars> heh :)
[01:52] <tielie> hello is there anyone who has problem with keybindings in gnome?
[01:53] <IIIEars> Wow! Zenity is powerful.              Has it been hiding in the machine all along?
[01:54] <snader> :)
[01:54] <IIIEars> Zenity is incredible. :)
[01:55] <IIIEars> New toys!
[01:55] <Seveas> combined with /proc/self/fd/0 it is a very simple editor :)
[01:56] <krg> :(
[01:57] <krg> /proc :(
[01:57] <Seveas>  /proc is nice
[01:57] <krg> I'm sure shooting up with Heroin would feel pretty good, too.
[01:57] <egg|hardened> hi
[01:57] <krg> But that doesn't mean I'm gonna start cooking up smack in my spare time.
[01:57] <Seveas> lol krg
[01:57] <Seveas> what's the problem with /proc?
[01:57] <Dave2> Hm. I've followed the instructions on the Ubuntu Wiki for installing an rt2500, the device shows up in iwconfig, but not in ifconfig o_O
[01:57] <hondje> what if you were really bored?
[01:57] <Dave2> Anyone got any ideas?
[01:58] <Seveas> Dave2, ifconfig -a
[01:58] <egg|hardened> cat /proc/version
[01:58] <krg> /proc might be useful for humans reading things.
[01:58] <krg> But it's horribly inefficient for programs.
[01:58] <Seveas> i need /proc for my checkpointing lib
[01:59] <hondje> I like /proc only because I'm finally familiar with it
[01:59] <krg> There should be syscalls for everything that's in /proc.
[01:59] <krg> And I don't think there are.
[01:59] <Seveas> it's either proc or wrapping syscalls
[01:59] <krg> Heh.
[01:59] <cens0red> hi. I download the new backports version of xchat, now none of my python scripts run. :( What should I do?
[01:59] <krg> Wrapping syscalls.  :((((((
[01:59] <Seveas> and i do not want to wrap syscalls
[01:59] <Seveas> so i use /proc/self
[01:59] <krg> Yeah.
[01:59] <krg> See.
[01:59] <krg> Easier for you.
[01:59] <krg> Harder for the computer.
[01:59] <Seveas> krg, no
[01:59] <Seveas> wrapping syscalls would be harder
[01:59] <Seveas> for the computer too
[02:00] <krg> Not if it wasn't set up retardedly.
[02:00] <Seveas> because it would introduce unneccessary overhead
[02:00] <krg> If everything in /proc was directly accessible via a well-defined API.
[02:00] <Dave2> Seveas, ah yes, thanks
[02:00] <Seveas> krg, i need to know all open files at a certain point in time, /proc allows me to do this in a relatively easy way
[02:01] <Seveas> cens0red, yeah, it's great fun those backports
[02:01] <krg> Like, oh, say, sysctl(3).
[02:01] <Seveas> backports suck
[02:01] <hondje> poor jdong
[02:01] <count0nz> backports suck big time
[02:01] <cens0red> Seveas any idea what I should do?
[02:01] <cens0red> how can I re install the old xchat? 2.4.1 or whatever it was.
[02:01] <Seveas> cens0red, apt-get remove xchat, remove backports from your list, apt-get update, apt-get install xchat
[02:02] <cens0red> Seveas already install the backports firefox. Would that cause the system confusion?
[02:02] <Seveas> krg, you still need procfs for sysctl
[02:02] <Seveas> cens0red, remove that one too
[02:02] <count0nz> backports cause more trubble than there worth
[02:02] <Seveas> FF in ubuntu is 1.0.4 too
[02:02] <krg> Not in real OSes, you don't.
[02:02] <Seveas> well, it's 1.0.2 with all security patches applied
[02:03] <krg> procfs should depend on sysctl.
[02:03] <krg> Not the other way 'round.
[02:03] <cens0red> Seveas yeah but you can't get on to the firefox extensions page with 1.0.2, have you tried? That's the whole reason I installed it. :(
[02:03] <Seveas> sun doesn't even have sysctl (well, at least no man page for it on my ws :)
[02:03] <krg> For all the energy Linus expends on saying that things should be designed well, I find this to be most curious.
[02:03] <krg> Heh.
[02:03] <krg> Solaris has something different.
[02:03] <Seveas> cens0red: in about.config, set general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4
[02:04] <krg> I don't remember what it's called.
[02:04] <hondje> linus drinks too much
[02:04] <cens0red> Seveas ok.
[02:04] <hondje> proof is in the dev work done on 2.6 :-(
[02:04] <krg> And it does have sysctl.
[02:04] <krg> It's just weird.
[02:04] <krg> Like everything else in Solaris.
[02:04] <Seveas> :)
[02:04] <krg> Er.
[02:04] <krg> It's called ndd.
[02:05] <hondje> mkuser, that's just proper naming. . .
[02:05] <krg> God.
[02:05] <krg> Solaris is miserable.
[02:05] <krg> Unfortunately, I have to learn it sometime this summer.
[02:05] <Seveas> ndd is only for tcp/ip
[02:05] <hondje> krg: Why do you have to learn it?
[02:05] <hondje> New job?
[02:05] <krg> New responsibilities at this place I 1099 for.
[02:06] <hondje> bummer for you :)
[02:06] <krg> Yeah.
[02:06] <hondje> My job is nice, I can use linux for everything
[02:06] <krg> They're a SUN I-FORCE partner.
[02:06] <krg> Which kinda sucks.
[02:06] <hondje> hehe
[02:07] <hondje> I only mess with unix as a user, they're all the same to me when I get bash
[02:07] <krg> Because they want me to upgrade Bind on their boxes.
[02:07] <krg> I'm like.
[02:07] <krg> :(
[02:07] <krg> If I had to choose between Linux and Solaris, Solaris would probably win, though.
[02:07] <Seveas> i have to use redhat workstations
[02:07] <Seveas> but over the next weeks i'm going to setup an ubuntu cluster :)
[02:07] <krg> Heh.
[02:07] <hondje> I use this box, so I guess I use ubuntu for work :)
[02:08] <krg> I gave Ubuntu a week to convince me that it was ready for use on the desktop.
[02:08] <hondje> where there's a gnuplot, I'll be there
[02:08] <krg> Put Windows back on the box last night.
[02:08] <pini> hi everybody
[02:08] <hondje> I gave it a month, I'm happy
[02:08] <Seveas> I gave it a day
[02:08] <hondje> though I don't even have a copy of windows
[02:08] <krg> Yeah.
[02:08] <Seveas> threw windows out 6 hours later
[02:08] <krg> I still have a visceral aversion to All Things Debian.
[02:08] <krg> Good package management.
[02:09] <krg> Silly philosophy.
[02:09] <hondje> I'm a proper gnu hippy
[02:09] <krg> Yeah.
[02:09] <hondje> information wants to be free, etc
[02:09] <krg> Information might want to be free, but my landlord wants his rent money.
[02:09] <Seveas> hondje == stallmanist?
[02:09] <hondje> Yep, you are correct Seveas :)
[02:09] <hondje> krg: Easy for me, I'm not a coder :)
[02:09] <krg> Nor am I.
[02:10] <hondje> only code I regularly write is in matlab
[02:10] <krg> I'm a music education major.  :P
[02:10] <krg> Which is another strike for Linux.  :P
[02:10] <Seveas> but what i code is all free
[02:10] <hondje> hehe
[02:10] <krg> Kids are a lot better than servers.
[02:10] <krg> Because when servers misbehave, I lose data.
[02:10] <hondje> turns out that windows sucks for my stuff
[02:10] <krg> When kids misbehave, I give them detention.
[02:10] <pini> I have a little problem. I want to install the ubuntu on an old computer. Unfortunately, the bios doesn't support CD boot (it's from 1992 :). I googled a part of the night and I tried with SmartBootManager on a floppy disk. Well, after a few tests, I get sbm to detect my cdrom drive, but when I try to boot, it gives me "error 0xAA", which (should ?) mean that there's no disk in the drive. Has anyone an idea on how I could make it to boot my
[02:10] <pini>  ubuntu cdrom ?
[02:11] <hondje> I couldn't study computers
[02:11] <krg> Yeah.
[02:11] <hondje> I just use 'em, I have no patience with them
[02:11] <krg> I spent one semester as a CS major.
[02:11] <krg> And four years as a network administrator.
[02:11] <hondje> I could get down with teaching, but no one would hire me if I got a degree in education :)
[02:11] <krg> Yeah.
[02:11] <krg> I'm not having that problem.
[02:11] <hondje> they're so uptight about criminal records
[02:12] <krg> I'm currently long-term subbing for elementary music.
[02:12] <krg> 6-week gig.
[02:12] <hondje> that must be fun
[02:12] <hondje> teach 'em to play the recorder
[02:12] <krg> I thought it would be hell.
[02:12] <krg> It's actually not bad.
[02:12] <krg> Heh.
[02:12] <krg> I'm collecting those today from my fourth graders.
[02:12] <hondje> I like kids, which is good since I have one
[02:12] <shatterina> pini perhaps something like a linux boot floppy would work better.
[02:12] <pini> shatterina: you mean a linux rescue disk ?
[02:12] <hondje> even the 'bad' kids aren't really that bad
[02:13] <hondje> They aren't going to backstab you like a coworker will
[02:13] <krg> Kids are fine.
[02:13] <krg> Parents are miserable.
[02:13] <hondje> hehe
[02:13] <hondje> I fear for my daughters teachers if they call me for a bad reason
[02:13] <shatterina> possibly, something like tomsrtbt.  I hear it is effective.  You just download the image.
[02:13] <krg> Yeah.
[02:13] <krg> See.
[02:13] <hondje> Daddys princess can do no wrong!
[02:13] <pini> ok, I'll try
[02:13] <krg> Sometimes we have to call/write for a good reason.
[02:14] <krg> But the parents are like MY CHILD WOULD DO NO SUCH THING.
[02:14] <krg> And I'm like.
[02:14] <krg> ...
[02:14] <hondje> oh, that's lame
[02:14] <zachary> questions
[02:14] <zachary> questions
[02:14] <hondje> I'm sure my daughter will cause a ton of shit when she's in school...genetics and all
[02:14] <krg> Yeah.
[02:14] <krg> Well.
[02:14] <krg> If she's a hellraiser in Kindergarten, it's too late to fix it.
[02:14] <hondje> She's already a hell raiser...I tease her mom saying it's a korean thing
[02:15] <Fator_Dee> whoa, ssh is a cooler program than I thought
[02:15] <krg> KEKEKEKEKEE ZERG RUSH
[02:15] <hondje> She'll play starcraft and punch random people when she's older :(
[02:15] <krg> Heh.
[02:15] <hondje> Fator_Dee: Indeed, ssh rocks
[02:15] <krg> Speaking of Zerg rush, it's pretty much impossible for me to walk through the cafeteria during lunchtime.
[02:15] <hondje> I dunno what I'd do without it
[02:15] <krg> First graders mob me.
[02:15] <Fator_Dee> hondje: ssh -X rocks my boxors
[02:15] <hondje> oh, x forwarding is
[02:15] <hondje> nice
[02:15] <krg> Heh.
[02:16] <hondje> on my local network, I like xdmcp
[02:16] <Seveas> Fator_Dee, you have not even discovered half the power of ssh :)
[02:16] <krg> God.
[02:16] <krg> Need more coffee.
[02:16] <zachary> okay i was trying to learn about netcat (nc) and some guy in an irc chat was trying to be cute and told me to run an command nc [some server that he owned]  [port:33733] (i'm not sure if that was the port)
[02:16] <Fator_Dee> I'm using my fathers comp 'cause I don't have enough ram to do gimping anymore :-p
[02:16] <zachary> i want to know if he hAXd me
[02:16] <hondje> krg: You're a teacher, you'll appreciate this: http://outpostnine.com/editorials/teacher.html
[02:17] <krg> Heh.
[02:17] <krg> Have you read tardblog?
[02:17] <hondje> No, never heard of it
[02:17] <krg> http://www.tard-blog.com/
[02:17] <TTilus> Fator_Dee: -X doesn't really rock, -L and -R do
[02:17] <Dave2> -D rox most
[02:17] <zachary> i tried a netstat to see if there was any activity that was unusal, and there are some things in the unix domain sockets
[02:18] <TTilus> Dave2: mmm...  ack
[02:18] <hondje> krg: hehe, cynical is good
[02:18] <zachary> anyone willing to help?
[02:18] <hondje> rooted by netcat?
[02:18] <Fator_Dee> TTilus: well, -X is more than enough for me at this point :-)
[02:20] <bigfoot> What's QT?
[02:21] <cens0red> hi.
[02:21] <pini> QT is a graphical widget toolkit
[02:21] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: the underlying kit for KDE apps etc
[02:21] <Seveas> ...used in KDE
[02:21] <hondje> a wonderful widget toolkit :)
[02:21] <bigfoot> so since I'm in Gnome/Ubuntu, i don't have to concern myself with QT, do I?
[02:21] <Echelon-H> Im back :D
[02:22] <hondje> bigfoot: Not unless you install some KDE apps
[02:22] <krg> QT is QuickTime.
[02:22] <krg> Qt is a widget set.
[02:22] <krg> Now that I've been pedantic, time to get ready for fifth grade chorus!
[02:22] <Seveas> :)
[02:22] <hondje> Qt Developer kicks ass, it should be noted
[02:22] <pini> :)
[02:22] <cens0red> hey I'm using the xchat-text client here.
[02:22] <cens0red> it's a bit sucky
[02:23] <hondje> why not use just regular old xchat?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> cens0red: use irssi-text
[02:23] <thoreauputic> if you need a non X client
[02:23] <cens0red> thoreaputic I like to script in python. irssi doesn't have python scripting ability, no?
[02:23] <bigfoot> i downloaded and am able to play a game called "KDE minituare golf" without getting anything extra. (unless synaptic automatically got the extra files)...
[02:24] <thoreauputic> cens0red: I have no idea
[02:24] <Echelon-H> Hey there, I've installed xfce, how can I now use it?
[02:24] <hondje> bigfoot: apt/synaptic downloads everything you need for a program
[02:24] <cens0red> thoreauputc I don't believe it does.
[02:24] <thoreauputic> cens0red: I'd be surprised if it didn't - it has everything else AFAICS
[02:24] <topyli> bigfoot: synaptic fetched the dependencies for you
[02:24] <hondje> Echelon-H: Pick XFce under session in your gdm screen
[02:24] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:24] <hondje> gdm == login screen
[02:25] <Seveas> or use gdmflexiserver --xnest :)
[02:25] <hondje> That's always fun
[02:25] <bigfoot> topyli, hondje: gotcha. When I delete that KDE minitaure game from my system, how can I have my system free of all the other stuff Synaptic got with it? You see, I didn't make any Post-it notes with the  "dependencies" (is this the right term) that synaptic got with it.
[02:26] <hondje> that's the right term
[02:26] <Seveas> bigfoot, use deborphan
[02:26] <nova> hmm how does some one do this
[02:26] <nova> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=277&original=1&c=2
[02:26] <topyli> bigfoot: remove libqt and everything depending on it will go
[02:26] <Seveas> deborphan is nice
[02:26] <topyli> yes
[02:27] <bigfoot> Seveas, is deporphan the same as Synaptic-->Status (a button in the lower right hand corner)-->Installed (local or obsolete)?
[02:27] <hondje> deborphan finds installed packages that have no reason for being there, and removes them
[02:28] <Seveas> bigfoot, no
[02:28] <hondje> no reason like, nothing installed uses them
[02:28] <Seveas> local or obsolete means: installed but not in the package lists
[02:28] <Seveas> like manually downloaded .deb files
[02:28] <bigfoot> topyli, you tell me know, but is it necessary for me to remember it? What about for Aunt Tillie who, aside from the game she has downloaded and seeks to remove,  has no idea of which stuff to remove?
[02:28] <topyli> OTOH, deborphan finds stuff like gstreamer0.8-* which nothing depends on
[02:29] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it doesn't *need* to be removed
[02:29] <bigfoot> topyli, what's "OTOH"?
[02:29] <topyli> on the other hand
[02:29] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: having that stuff won't affect anything adversely
[02:29] <hondje> just takes up hdd space, and often not much
[02:30] <hondje> plus there are so many apps out there for kde, most linux desktop users have both installed
[02:30] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i understand, i'm just the kinda guy who wants to remove unneeded stuff for the sole reason of saving/maximizing hard drive space.
[02:30] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: then learn about deborphan :)
[02:30] <hondje> yes, do it
[02:30] <hondje> I never heard of it, and have done it by hand for years
[02:31] <hondje> all that wasted time :(
[02:31] <bigfoot> hondje, done what by hand?
[02:31] <nova> any one able to tell me how to add some eye candy to ubuntu
[02:31] <hondje> removed libs and stuff that weren't needed
[02:31] <Seveas> hondje, learn debfoster too :)
[02:31] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, okay, where do you suggest i learn more about deborphan?
[02:31] <nova> like rounded task bar buttons etc
[02:31] <hondje> Seveas: less obvious in name, what does it do?
[02:31] <hondje> nova: like that pic you linked?
[02:31] <nova> yeh
[02:32] <hondje> it says in the caption what he used :)
[02:32] <Seveas> interactive deborphan, witch lets you choose between keep, delete and prune (delete and delete all otherwise non-needed dependencies)
[02:32] <Seveas> very useful
[02:32] <hondje> just go to (I'm assuming here) gnome-look.org and look for them :)
[02:32] <hondje> pruning orphans, I love it
[02:32] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: debfoster stuff here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24403
[02:33] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: google is your friend ;-)
[02:33] <hondje> not mine, those bastards didn't give me any stock for the ipo
[02:34] <Echelon-H> Hmmm, I seem to have problem with phpMyAdmin, is this the right place for it?
[02:35] <bigfoot> I'm in Japan, and would like to set up my PC for Japanese input, i went to this page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?postid=136971. But I don't know whether I should do the instructions of both Post #1 and Post#2. It seems that Post#2 is saying something against Post1, but i'm not sure. I'm not sure if he's supplementing to Post1, or whether he's saying "don't do Post1's advice. Do mine. "Can anyone look at the page and tell me what to do?
[02:35] <filter> hello
[02:35] <filter> how can i install gcc
[02:35] <pini> is it possible to convert a debian system to an ubuntu system ??
[02:35] <hondje> sudo apt-get install gcc probably :)
[02:35] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: man page of deborphan here: http://annys.eines.info/cgi-bin/man/man2html?orphaner+8
[02:36] <topyli> pini: not cleanly
[02:36] <pini> erf
[02:36] <topyli> pini: an old woody install might be more or less replaced
[02:36] <thoreauputic> hondje, filter sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:36] <pini> I guess I can't easily use ubuntu packages as well ?
[02:36] <topyli> pini: there might be conflicts
[02:37] <pini> as I guessed
[02:37] <pini> :/
[02:37] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: it's the same thing on both post, just a different aspect on how to do it
[02:37] <topyli> pini: you get to do a clean install
[02:37] <hondje> thoreauputic: hey, neat meta pkg, thanks
[02:37] <pini> ok
[02:37] <hondje> crap, bigfoot reminded me I have to set up scim now :(
[02:37] <Seveas> pini, upgrading from woody is ok, from a recent sarge there might be problems
[02:37] <bigfoot> Fator_Dee, ok. so i just choose 1 or 2.
[02:37] <bigfoot> hondje, you in asia?
[02:38] <hondje> No
[02:38] <hondje> But the missus is korean
[02:38] <bigfoot> anyong haseyo!
[02:38] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: the post 2 tells you have to do the file editing through console only
[02:38] <Chambers`> hey guys, is there a way to set vncserver to start when the system starts, rather then when I log in?
[02:38] <hondje> hehe, anyong :)
[02:38] <pini> Seveas: How do I know which release I'm using ?
[02:38] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: have = how
[02:38] <Seveas> pini: cat /etc/issue
[02:38] <hondje> plus I sometimes feel like writing in japanese
[02:38] <bigfoot> i love kimchi and pulgogi, hondje
[02:39] <hondje> scim lets you type phonetically, and it spits out the *kana and kanji magically
[02:39] <pini> Seveas: Debian GNU 3.0 isn't this sarge ?
[02:39] <hondje> Everyone loves bulgogi
[02:39] <Seveas> that's woody
[02:39] <bigfoot> hondje, korean soaps are the rage here in japan.
[02:39] <hondje> sarge is 3.1
[02:39] <thoreauputic> pini: no, that's woody
[02:39] <pini> good
[02:39] <zer> Has somebody Ubuntu working with the FBDev driver?
[02:39] <hondje> bigfoot: I heard something about that, which scares me about japan :)
[02:39] <pini> so I can't upgrade to ubuntu safely, right ?
[02:39] <bigfoot> hondje, why scared?
[02:39] <ltuvis> What command is for show desktop
[02:39] <ltuvis> ?
[02:40] <bigfoot> ltuvis, hit the lower right icon in your screen.
[02:40] <Choubaka> pini: you can upgrade from woody quite safely.
[02:40] <hondje> bigfoot: because koreans are nuts
[02:40] <topyli> pini: you can try but be prepared for failure too :)
[02:40] <Seveas> lower left...
[02:40] <bigfoot> lower left, ltuvis, i mean.
[02:40] <Seveas> lower right is trash :)
[02:40] <hondje> That's my expert opinion :)
[02:40] <pini> I am (i guess) :)
[02:40] <hondje> pini: hehe
[02:40] <pini> is there a tutorial somewhere explaining me how to achieve this ?
[02:40] <bigfoot> hondje, you married a nut.
[02:40] <topyli> pini: i converted an ustable install to ubuntu but soon reinstalled
[02:40] <pini> k
[02:40] <hondje> bigfoot: and her nut family, and my nut daughter :)
[02:40] <Choubaka> well, unstable is unstable.
[02:40] <hondje> from a nut country :)
[02:41] <topyli> Choubaka: yes, an older debian may upgrade more cleanly
[02:41] <bigfoot> hondje, so you were in korea before?
[02:41] <hondje> oh no sir
[02:41] <pini> mine is still a stable one :)
[02:41] <hondje> she moved here when she was 12 or so
[02:41] <bigfoot> any skype users here?
[02:41] <firepol> Hi, i have 2 hard disks. One one HD i want to install UBUNTU, on the other I already have WindowsXP. I want to use GRUB as bootloader. Should I install the HD containing UBUNTU as primary master, or primary slave?
[02:41] <bigfoot> for me, skype's fonts are way too big.
[02:42] <Seveas> firepol, can be either
[02:42] <Seveas> but do not change what you have now
[02:42] <hondje> hey, now I can find out the answer I was wondering...does windows still demand to be on hda1?
[02:42] <Seveas> since otherwise XP can get confused
[02:42] <firepol> the MBR record will be written on the primary master?
[02:42] <Seveas> hondje, no
[02:42] <digip1mp> firepol: Windows still likes to be first...
[02:42] <Seveas> firepol, if you tell it to :)
[02:42] <hondje> neato
[02:42] <hhurtta> it is usually good bet to instal windows first
[02:42] <firepol> if windows like to be first, ill let it first ;)
[02:43] <topyli> firepol: yes, but that's just the mbr. no harm to windows
[02:43] <hhurtta> and to hda1
[02:43] <pini> geez, isn't there a "debian2ubuntu howto" on the net ?
[02:43] <firepol> another qustion: i want to use KDE, but i already down laoded the hoary 5.04 CD. when i install, is there an optino not to install gnome and to install KDE instead?
[02:44] <firepol> or should i install first gnome as default, and later remove it and install kde?
[02:44] <Fator_Dee> firepol: do the latter
[02:44] <hondje> pini: not that I found, when I went from sid to ubuntu I ended up letting it eat everything but my /home partition
[02:44] <ltuvis> What command is for show desktop ?
[02:44] <hhurtta> firepol: gnome gets installed anyway
[02:44] <hondje> ltuvis: what do you mean, show desktop?
[02:44] <pini> hondje: how did you get into the installer ? did you boot the ubuntu cdrom ?
[02:45] <bigfoot> ltuvis, Ctrl+Alt+D
[02:45] <hondje> pini: yes, and then manually did the partitioning, and told it not to touch /home, and to mount it at /home
[02:45] <ltuvis> i trying make file who open will show desktop
[02:45] <nova> hondje what theme format does ubuntu use?
[02:45] <pini> hum. my cdrom drive doesn't boot, thanks to my 1992' bios :)
[02:45] <hondje> nova: 'human' it's called I think
[02:45] <firepol> hhurtta: what about kubuntu, is gnome insatlled anyway?
[02:46] <topyli> nova: theme format?
[02:46] <hondje> gnome is installed by ubuntu, then if you want kubuntu you sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:46] <hhurtta> i think kubuntu installs kde
[02:46] <nova> as in i want to download and add a new theme
[02:46] <thoreauputic> firepol: no, kubuntu installs KDE only
[02:46] <nova> what do i look for
[02:46] <cerius> #ubuntu-de
[02:46] <hondje> nova: art.gnome.org
[02:46] <Riddell> firepol: kubuntu.org/faq.php
[02:46] <firepol> when i do apt.get install kubuntu-desktop, will gome be removd? i dotn want gnome, really ;)
[02:46] <Seveas> firepol, no
[02:46] <hondje> firepol: no, you gotta do that yourself :)
[02:46] <firepol> apt-get remove gnome ?
[02:46] <hhurtta> firepol: but you can remove it later
[02:47] <bigfoot> what is "vanilla ubuntu"
[02:47] <thoreauputic> Firetech: no, gnome will remain as well
[02:47] <bigfoot> ?
[02:47] <hondje> maybe apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, though it might just nuke the meta pkg
[02:47] <topyli> firepol: won't help. gnome-desktop is just a metapackage, it has zero real files
[02:47] <Seveas> it just nukes the meta
[02:47] <thoreauputic> hondje: it will
[02:47] <Seveas> but debfoster can prune it :)
[02:47] <Amaranth> btw, if you're on kubuntu and you're using breezy you're even crazier than the ubuntu breezy users
[02:47] <hondje> I tried the kubuntu KDE onec
[02:47] <Seveas> Amaranth, no no, it's called krazy :)
[02:47] <hondje> totally buggy
[02:47] <Guerin> and if you use aptitude to install it, when you use aptitude to uninstall it, the deps will go too
[02:47] <Choubaka> Seveas: :D
[02:48] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: is that possible *grin* ?
[02:48] <firepol> ok guys, ill try to install from cd, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, then ill try to remove gnome
[02:48] <Amaranth> Seveas: kreezy? kbreezy?
[02:48] <thoreauputic> breeky?
[02:48] <Seveas> krazy, as in the KDE version of crazy
[02:48] <Seveas> so, mega krazy with extra options and eye candy and less functionality :)
[02:49] <firepol> last question: what kernel do u suggest me to use? ind ebian i can fuind some kernel-imags of 2.6, will it be also the case gfor ubuntu?
[02:49] <topyli> yes
[02:49] <Seveas> hoary uses 2.6.10-5 by default
[02:49] <Amaranth> firepol: ubuntu doesn't have 2.4
[02:49] <thoreauputic> firepol: yes, there are several linux-image packages
[02:49] <firepol> cool, im looking forward to install it, which will be in a couplem of minutes ;)
[02:49] <Amaranth> whatever you do, don't install the 2.6.11 image
[02:50] <firepol> in debian i ahd to compile MPLAYER, in ubunt i see its possible to dowload it directly. does it work well?
[02:50] <thoreauputic> unless you're Krazy ;)
[02:50] <firepol> actually im using 2.6.11 on debian, it works....
[02:50] <hondje> firepol: I haven't had a problem, though I grabbed the windows codecs from the marillat repos
[02:50] <thoreauputic> firepol: I find xine works best here - YMMV
[02:50] <firepol> well, atually, before i screwed up my root partitino, now i have to reinstall everything, so i wanted to try ubuntu
[02:50] <hondje> I only use mplayer for firefox, and xine for all else
[02:51] <Guerin> firepol: there are debian packages available.
[02:51] <hondje> firepol: at least you can keep /home :)
[02:51] <topyli> firepol: you did that on purpose didn't you :)
[02:51] <firepol> does xine work also if i have a crappy vieeocard? i have a Shuttle MS21 motherboard with VGA on board...
[02:51] <hondje> hrm
[02:51] <thoreauputic> firepol: try it and see :)
[02:51] <firepol> topyli: no i resized my root partitino to give some extra space to winzoz. the partitino got unusable
[02:51] <topyli> firepol: if mplayer works, i don't see why xine wouldn't
[02:52] <thoreauputic> firepol: I have an onboard card and it works fine
[02:52] <hondje> on the older box I use mplayer, that's with i810 video
[02:52] <firepol> topyli: thats it, mplayer does NOT work full screen
[02:52] <Chambers`> hey guys, is there a way to set vncserver to start when the system starts, rather then when I log in? I really need that so if i reboot my machine remotely i can still get to it
[02:52] <hondje> xine was slower on that one, worth experimenting with though
[02:52] <Amaranth> firepol: the '2.6.11' in ubuntu is actually a bitkeeper snapshot of some time after 2.6.10
[02:52] <hondje> That box is 800MHz p3, fwiw
[02:52] <firepol> i can watch movies but only in original site, not in full screen.
[02:52] <Amaranth> firepol: it was thought that 2.6.11 would come out before hoary froze, it didn't make it
[02:52] <thoreauputic> firepol: you need to use the "zoom" option to get full screen with mplayer
[02:53] <Guerin> firepol: tried -vo xv?
[02:53] <Amaranth> firepol: you need to pass it -zoom
[02:53] <firepol> guerin: xv didnt work
[02:53] <Guerin> firepol: you might also have luck playing them on a vesa console, as root, using -vo vesa
[02:53] <Chambers`> anyone?
[02:53] <Guerin> firepol: it doesn't with some crappy cards
[02:53] <firepol> i tried all the display options.. no way. well ill try wih ubuntu
[02:53] <firepol> maybe the precompiled version of ubunt will work
[02:53] <Amaranth> firepol: -zoom works
[02:53] <Amaranth> firepol: well, mplayer -zoom -fs file.bin works, i mean
[02:53] <Guerin> firepol: -vo vesa only works as root, on a vesa console. Not in X.
[02:53] <firepol> u guys are impressive, thx for ur suggestions
[02:54] <Amaranth> firepol: or gmplayer -zoom then use it like normal
[02:54] <hondje> firepol: oh, ubuntuguide.org is good for setting up mplayer, etc
[02:54] <Guerin> and amaranth is right - -fs and -zoom are your friends
[02:54] <topyli> hondje: vnc works well, i have a headless windows box i only access via vnc
[02:54] <Amaranth> hondje: ubuntuguide's way is crack
[02:54] <hondje> Worked flawlessly for me, though I didn't do crazy stuff like get mplayer from marrilat
[02:54] <Chambers`> topyli, if it's a windows box you should use rdp rather than vnc :P
[02:54] <kisain> anyone know the command to mount a swap file?
[02:54] <hondje> saved thinking, just cut 'n paste
[02:54] <firepol> what happens if i install ubuntu but i will aadd a new graphic card afterwards? will i need to reconfigure X? or will it be automatic?
[02:54] <kisain> partition i mean
[02:55] <thoreauputic> kisain: swapon ?
[02:55] <Seveas> swapin
[02:55] <Seveas> swapon
[02:55] <kisain> ok
[02:55] <Chambers`> well when i install mplayer it completely breaks totem
[02:55] <daniels> firepol: it will be automatic in breezy, with any luck; for now, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, from a console
[02:55] <Amaranth> firepol: you'll probably need to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:55] <topyli> Chambers`: hmm. i'll have a look. a real windows terminal client?
[02:55] <firepol> wow, thx guys hehehe
[02:55] <Amaranth> daniels: automatic? is that part of the modularization stuff?
[02:56] <firepol> u motivatd me to try ubuntu at once
[02:56] <daniels> Amaranth: no, part of the 'make xorg configuration less abysmally painful' stuff
[02:56] <Fator_Dee> :-)
[02:56] <Amaranth> hehe
[02:56] <daniels> Amaranth: (both for me to maintain and for people to use)
[02:56] <topyli> Chambers`: oooh! :)
[02:56] <thoreauputic> daniels: sounds like a plan ;-)
[02:56] <Amaranth> daniels: i just thought it had something to do with drivers being seperated from the core server
[02:56] <firepol> i will install ubuntu right now. cya later. THANK YOU for the support and suggestions, you rock!
[02:56] <daniels> Amaranth: nah, not really
[02:56] <daniels> firepol: enjoy
[02:57] <daniels> Amaranth: although that is also cool (if stupidly time-consuming)
[02:57] <firepol> thx, bye
[02:57] <Amaranth> firepol: be sure you get smeg, my menu editor too :) it'll make life easier :D
[02:57] <hondje> are those ubuntu changes to xorg, or xorg changes to xort?
[02:57] <Amaranth> d'oh, i didn't get to advertise
[02:57] <daniels> hondje: neither
[02:57] <daniels> hondje: we have a whole separate configuration infrastructure for probing everything and writing a configuration file
[02:57] <hondje> neither?
[02:58] <topyli> Amaranth: he'll ask for an editor soon enough :)
[02:58] <daniels> unfortunately, it's absolutely terrible, saved only by the fact that it seems to actually work everywhere
[02:58] <caonex> how do you get grub to reconize a reiserfs filesystem partitition?
[02:58] <hondje> wow, that's neat
[02:58] <Amaranth> breezy is going to be awesome :D
[02:58] <hondje> so that means even less work fo me?
[02:58] <daniels> hondje: compared to what?
[02:59] <hondje> sitting down and setting all the wanted-values in xorg.conf myself
[02:59] <bigfoot> hi all: i'm back to get confirmation regarding http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?postid=136971. Post2's starts with "Just a note to do it via commandline (adding scim -d) to a session it is" ..  What does he mean by " adding scim -d   "?
[02:59] <caonex> is reiserfs built in or as a module in the current ubuntu version?
[03:00] <mjr> module
[03:00] <Seveas> there is a reiserfs.ko module
[03:00] <tsw> I would like to see a virtual package on ubuntu that installs and configures apache+php+suexec+mysql+ftp so that it will be fully functional and safe for hosting websites :)
[03:00] <Seveas> tsw, then create one :)
[03:00] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: if you followed the 1st post's instructions, you don't need to do the stuff in the 2nd
[03:00] <hondje> intelligent defaults are hard to make
[03:01] <bigfoot> Fator_Dee, not at all? Nothing new in Post2?
[03:01] <topyli> tsw: yeah. ubuntu-webserver
[03:01] <tsw> Seveas: hmm might try if I find the time
[03:01] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: post 2 is only for doing it a different way than in post 1
[03:01] <bigfoot> I'm a 1week newbie. which is easier? or which do you recommend?
[03:02] <tsw> topyli: ill go check :)
[03:02] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: well, they both tell you exactly what do to, so...
[03:02] <topyli> tsw: no no. just suggesting a name for the metapackage you're going to write :)
[03:02] <tsw> topyli: :D
[03:03] <hondje> why doesn't vim have :syntax on by default?
[03:03] <Amaranth> um, what?
[03:03] <Dave2> Because it tries to be as much like vi as possible by default...
[03:03] <bigfoot> Fator_Dee, okay, i'll try Post2's way. What does he mean by "adding scim -d"?
[03:03] <tsw> It would save some time to have ubuntu-webserver ubuntu-mailserver and ubuntu-nameserver packages :)
[03:03] <bigfoot> how do i do that, Fator_Dee ?
[03:03] <Amaranth> oh, that's a command :)
[03:03] <hondje> Amaranth: hehe
[03:04] <Amaranth> i thought you meant vim didn't have :foo
[03:04] <daniels> hondje: well, yeah.  no real distribution makes you do that.
[03:04] <hondje> Dave2: So, not something that isn't going to change anytime soon
[03:04] <tsw> hmm and maybe a complete configuration editor like ubuntu-servereditor :D
[03:04] <Dave2> hondje, it's a pretty simple change to get it on, so I don't really see why
[03:04] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: adding scim -d means how to add the scim program to be started at stat-up, so that you wouldn't have to start it yourself every time
[03:04] <Dave2> Note that I have no authority on the subject at all, though
[03:04] <topyli> ubuntu-q3a-server
[03:05] <hondje> Dave2: hrm, perhaps I should find the guy in charge and ask him nicely
[03:05] <Seveas> hondje, look for the Maintainer: field in the deb :)
[03:05] <bigfoot> Fator_Dee, so that line about adding scim -d is not a command i put in terminal?
[03:06] <self-fed> hey all
[03:06] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: no
[03:06] <bigfoot> Fator_Dee, okay. thanks. I'll proceed with the steps then.
[03:06] <hondje> Seveas: It's a debian guy
[03:07] <topyli> what is the default editor in debian now?
[03:07] <topyli> used to be nvi
[03:08] <hondje> I don't remember installing vim, and it's already there
[03:08] <selinium> hi all, if i want to set up a spare box as a mail server to pull down mail from accounts, scan them for viruses and then other windows PCs download the cleaned files from them. Where do i start?
[03:08] <selinium> :)
[03:08] <hondje> But I don't have nvi
[03:08] <bigfoot> Fator_Dee, what happens if i stop short of the steps under (Add scim to GNOME (ubuntu))?
[03:08] <topyli> ok. nvi is the one that really really wants to be vi compatible
[03:08] <tapia> hi
[03:08] <tapia> I'm trying to compile beagle
[03:08] <tapia> and I get this error:
[03:09] <tapia> configure: error: Unable to find scrnsaver.h.  You probably need to install XFree86 development packages
[03:09] <tapia> I have this .h in /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/
[03:09] <tapia> why the ./configure don't see it?
[03:09] <Amaranth> tapia: are you on breezy?
[03:09] <tapia> Amaranth: yep
[03:09] <stuNNed> selinium: http://uclinux.info/mediawiki/index.php/Open_Source_E-Mail_Server_Spam_Prevention_and_Antivirus_Protection_INFO is a good start ;)
[03:09] <Amaranth> that's why
[03:09] <daniels> tapia: because beagle's ./configure is dumb
[03:09] <Amaranth> tapia: please see the topic
[03:10] <selinium> stuNNed: cheers for the pointer
[03:10] <tapia> Amaranth: yeah, well... I shouldn't be using breeze
[03:10] <tapia> breezy
[03:10] <tapia> but I can't go back :-)
[03:10] <Amaranth> daniels: you'd think a program built in the last few years wouldn't make such stupid assumptions
[03:10] <Amaranth> tapia: sure you can, if your /home is on a different partition
[03:10] <tapia> no, it isn't
[03:11] <topyli> tapia: i thought breezy has beagle anyway
[03:11] <tapia> but i'm sure it's not very complicated
[03:11] <Amaranth> the breezy in beagle broken when dbus migrated
[03:11] <tapia> change a env variable or something
[03:12] <hondje> beagle?
[03:12] <topyli> i installed beagle on hoary but it crawls without inotify
[03:12] <topyli> hondje: it's the ultimate search tool for gnome
[03:12] <hondje> oh, neat
[03:12] <hondje> kinda like spotlight on tiger
[03:13] <topyli> hondje: check out nat's demos: http://nat.org/demos/
[03:13] <nanaban> I created a new ext3 and added a new entry on fstab to automount it, how can I add read/write permissions to all users?
[03:14] <nanaban> this is the line I added in fstab    /dev/hdc2       /media/recovery ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr   0       1
[03:15] <daniels> Amaranth: heh
[03:15] <hondje> topyli: oh, that's very nice
[03:15] <Amaranth> hondje: Pretty sure this was out way before spotlight. :)
[03:15] <hondje> If you say so, I'll believe you :)  I'll freely admit to not knowing anything
[03:15] <hondje> neat demos
[03:16] <topyli> yeah
[03:16] <Amaranth> it's a spinoff from dashboard, iirc
[03:16] <hondje> add those wobbly windows and I'm set ;-)
[03:16] <topyli> heh
[03:16] <nova> hahah found me the perfect bg
[03:16] <hondje> is that going to be in breezy too?
[03:16] <nova> it has a coffee stain :)
[03:16] <topyli> yes
[03:17] <hondje> coolness
[03:17] <topyli> hondje: the new suse has it too
[03:17] <hondje> I have tons of old and poorly sorted documents
[03:17] <hondje> I must have missed that when I was playing with it
[03:17] <topyli> nova: show us! show us!
[03:17] <agetty> re
[03:17] <rickard> does anyone know a good dc client for ubuntu?
[03:18] <agetty> DC_Gui qt
[03:18] <jari_> rockhard, Valknut
[03:18] <nova> this one
[03:18] <nova> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/archive/backgrounds/GNOME-Brushed_Gnome.jpg
[03:18] <topyli> hondje: i bet suse doesn't install it by default
[03:18] <rickard> I tried dcgui-qt, but I dit npt get it to work
[03:18] <agetty> rickard then sudo apt-cache search dc
[03:18] <hondje> maybe...I put the latest suse on my bosses lappy for him, since I'm underworked or something, but didn't get to play with it nearly enough
[03:18] <topyli> nova: coffee rules :)
[03:19] <hondje> oh, hula, that's awesome too...novell gets good hondje points
[03:19] <topyli> hondje: yeah, they really got to work after they got into gnome
[03:20] <bigfoot> hi all, in terminal, when i type "echo "[Default] " >> ~/.gnome2/session-manual" it says "permission denied". What's wrong?
[03:20] <hondje> yeah, I was taken aback by how they dived in
[03:20] <agetty> bigfoot type sudo before it
[03:20] <bigfoot> agetty, thanks!
[03:20] <cikilin> hi
[03:20] <bigfoot> hi
[03:20] <bigfoot> bye
[03:20] <agetty> bigfoot : np
[03:20] <hondje> hehe
[03:21] <bigfoot> hondje, what's so funny? 8-)
[03:21] <hondje> he came in, said hi, and left
[03:21] <hondje> That amused me :)
[03:21] <bigfoot> yeah!
[03:21] <bigfoot> same here.
[03:21] <hondje> small minds, small things
[03:21] <hondje> :)
[03:21] <hondje> will hula be in breezy too? that would be the cats meow
[03:22] <hondje> Which I'm told is a good thing
[03:22] <bigfoot> hondje, you know, in japan, the emoticons/smileys are much nicer. They are not sideways!
[03:22] <hondje> are you japanese, or just stuck there?
[03:22] <Funraiser> firestarter doesn't start on startup, even though I have the read and execute rights for the bin, someone knows why?
[03:22] <bigfoot> agetty, i typed sudo before the command, but it still says permission denied.
[03:22] <Seveas> Funraiser, sudo firestarter
[03:23] <nova> now if i could figure out how to change my applications icon to something else
[03:23] <bigfoot> just here for a while. not japanese.
[03:23] <bigfoot> I'm here on the JET Programme, hondje
[03:23] <hondje> oh, cool
[03:23] <nanaban> I created a new ext3 and added a new entry on fstab to automount it, how can I add read/write permissions to all users?
[03:23] <Seveas> Japanese Enemy Territory?
[03:23] <nova> i kind of want to match m gnome desk top to my litestep desk top that i use in windows heh
[03:23] <hondje> I read some guys site that is there for the JEt program too
[03:23] <nanaban> this is the line I added in fstab    /dev/hdc2       /media/recovery ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr   0       1
[03:24] <nova> on my old red hat box and windows box i did that
[03:24] <hondje> he's hilarious in describing his battles vs kancho
[03:24] <Seveas> nanaban, chmod -R a+w /mount/point
[03:24] <Funraiser> Seveas, I put firestarter on the system/preference/session/startup programs, but on startup it says no execute rights, even though i have that right on the /usr/sbin/firestarter ...
[03:24] <bigfoot> does anyone know how to solve a "Permission denied" problem in terminal? I've already tried putting sudo before the command. To be specific, the command I put is "sudo echo "[Default] " >> ~/.gnome2/session-manual".
[03:24] <Seveas> Funraiser, you do not need to start firestarter to activate the firewall...
[03:25] <nanaban> works! thanks!
[03:25] <Seveas> firestarter is just for configuring it
[03:25] <bigfoot> seveas, JET= Japan Exchange and Teaching Programme.
[03:25] <cikilin> hello
[03:25] <toran> lol, I wanna do that when I get outa college
[03:25] <toran> (jet)
[03:25] <Funraiser> Seveas, and then it just starts at each startup?
[03:25] <Seveas> bigfoot, echo "something" | sudo tee -a /path/to/file
[03:25] <toran> hondje: 1000 years of pain!!!
[03:25] <hondje> http://outpostnine.com/editorials/teacher.html
[03:25] <Seveas> Funraiser, yes
[03:25] <toran> ;-)
[03:25] <hac> If I update the linux-kernel 2.6.10  with the security patch,I lose all the settings(driver,modules...)?
[03:26] <hondje> toran: heheheheehe
[03:26] <Funraiser> Seveas, how do u know it's running?
[03:26] <toran> lmao
[03:26] <Seveas> Funraiser, iptables -L
[03:26] <Funraiser> Seveas, thanks
[03:26] <hondje> probably sudo iptables -L :)
[03:26] <Seveas> hac, no
[03:26] <bigfoot> toran, my older friend keeps reminding me that I'm so blessed to be in this Programme. Many other fresh-from-college folks back home in North America are just making dimes, etc.
[03:26] <thoreauputic> hac: is that a question or a statement?
[03:26] <Seveas> hondje, for listing too?
[03:26] <toran> bigfoot: how much do they pay?
[03:26] <hondje> I'd hate being stuck in japan :)
[03:26] <cikilin> can anybody help me to install valknut?
[03:26] <hondje> Seveas: I dunno, I just ass/u/med anything with iptables required root
[03:27] <toran> I've always wanted to go there. I guess I need to learn japanese, though -_-''
[03:27] <Seveas> cikilin, sudo apt-get install dcgui-qt
[03:27] <hondje> yep, sure does
[03:27] <bigfoot> Seveas, what exactly is the command? Sorry, I'm still a 1week old baby in Ubuntu/Linux.
[03:27] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: do you have write permissions to that file?
[03:27] <bigfoot> Fator_Dee, i don't know.
[03:27] <bigfoot> Fator_Dee, i'm the only person using my pc.
[03:27] <Seveas> bigfoot, if you want to echo something to a file as root do: echo "something" | sudo tee -a /path/to/file
[03:28] <hondje> wow, I haven't seen tee in awhile :)
[03:28] <cikilin> seaveas but i want valknut
[03:29] <Seveas> dcgui-qt IS valknut
[03:29] <topyli> i want' worms armageddon but that's life
[03:29] <cikilin> in run i type valknut and nothing
[03:29] <yahalom> what is the app called that lets u add users (its a gnome gui) i did server install so its not installed.
[03:30] <cikilin> aaa---i want valknut-0.3.7
[03:30] <cikilin> to install
[03:30] <topyli> yahalom: i think it's part of gnome-system-tools
[03:30] <Funraiser> Seveas, how do u know when u have a blocked connection?
[03:30] <yahalom> topyli: how do i access that?
[03:30] <yahalom> topyli: i recreated my menu ;)
[03:30] <Seveas> Funraiser, iptables can log blocked incoming/outgoing connections
[03:30] <Seveas> see man iptables / man firestarter :)
[03:31] <hondje> wow, nice troll on slashdot, apple to switch to x86 :)
[03:31] <Seveas> omg
[03:31] <hondje> I wish I could get a troll accepted as an article
[03:31] <topyli> yahalom: looks like it's users-admin
[03:31] <cikilin> seveas i want the 0.3.7 version
[03:31] <Seveas> i hope apple never does that
[03:31] <cikilin> and i cant
[03:31] <hondje> It wouldn't bother me if they did, much
[03:32] <Funraiser> Seveas, thx
[03:32] <Seveas> cikilin, then installit from sources
[03:32] <hondje> It's not the hardware, it's what you have on it
[03:32] <yahalom> topyli: thanx
[03:32] <cikilin> i cant
[03:32] <cikilin> i dont know why
[03:32] <Seveas> hondje, the X86 architecture has some major design flaws
[03:33] <topyli> cikilin: do you have the source?
[03:33] <cikilin> i have the sources olso the packages
[03:33] <hondje> way out of my area of expertise, that
[03:33] <cikilin> topyli can u help me?
[03:33] <hondje> I can't imagine paying 3k for a powermac w/ p4s though
[03:34] <topyli> cikilin: hard to say. how did you try? how did you fail?
[03:34] <Seveas> hondje, well, i think you'd understand that the design of X86 is flawed when you know that all modern X86 processors (pentium,amd,etc) first translate x86 instructions to RISC instructions and execute these
[03:34] <hondje> but that whole thing is a troll :)
[03:34] <hondje> hrm, that doesn't sound good
[03:34] <Seveas> hondje, indeed. It's massive overhead and it's only there since x86 is popular (windows runs on it)
[03:36] <kisain> how to tell if a swap partition is active?
[03:36] <hondje> as long as my computer can do the work I need to get done, the hardware under it isn't very important to me
[03:36] <hondje> well, it has to work in linux, of course, but other than that it's not a big priority to me
[03:36] <thenuke_> kisain: top shows it
[03:37] <cikilin> i dont know to explain
[03:37] <cikilin> i am a beginer
[03:37] <Seveas> cikilin, then simply use the version you can get with apt-get
[03:37] <Seveas> why do you per se want this newer version?
[03:37] <kisain> ok
[03:37] <cikilin> i did that
[03:38] <cikilin> seveas i want the 0.3.7
[03:38] <cikilin> not the easy
[03:38] <hondje> what features does it have that you lack in whatever ubuntu version?
[03:38] <Seveas> why do you per se want this newer version? <==
[03:38] <cikilin> if u want to help so help
[03:38] <cikilin> because i can say u too
[03:38] <cikilin> same
[03:39] <Seveas> cikilin, whatever, that attitude will get you nowhere here. /ignore time
[03:39] <hondje> heh
[03:39] <cikilin> i just ask for help
[03:40] <Seveas> oh noo, we have worms
[03:40] <anne> anyon familiar with java?
[03:40] <hondje> just a little one, relax
[03:40] <anne> need help badly!!
[03:40] <littleworm> i can't connect to the internet on my live cd, please help
[03:40] <Seveas> anne, what is the problem?
[03:41] <anne> i have java enabled on two different browsers
[03:41] <Seveas> that's nice
[03:41] <littleworm> i'm using ADSL, pppoe, samsung AHT-300 modem
[03:41] <anne> and it still tells me to anable java on my netscape browser--which i cant seem to find in my comp
[03:41] <Seveas> netscape??
[03:41] <Seveas> why on earth would you want that...
[03:41] <hondje> wow, back up a step anne :)
[03:41] <anne> or on my browser
[03:41] <hondje> What tells you that?
[03:41] <anne> sorry..
[03:42] <dheuma> hl
[03:42] <cibressus> hey, when i type G++ into terminal it should find something right?
[03:42] <cibressus> right now it returns file not found
[03:42] <anne> when i try to log on, to my bank--i get a window that says enable java on your netscape navigator..
[03:42] <anne> so i did and it stll will not work :(
[03:42] <Seveas> anne, and it is firefox you use?
[03:42] <anne> yep and mozilla browser
[03:43] <cibressus> it might be some stupid blocking crap
[03:43] <Seveas> ok, so probably something went wrong when installing java
[03:43] <Seveas> anne, how did you install java?
[03:43] <littleworm> i can't connect to the internet on my live cd, please help
[03:43] <littleworm> i'm using ADSL, pppoe, samsung AHT-300 modem
[03:43] <anne> thru sun java--1.5 version into root term
[03:43] <Seveas> littleworm, is that a usb modem?
[03:43] <littleworm> no
[03:43] <hondje> what does ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so say?
[03:43] <apsuva> naber anne
[03:43] <Seveas> anne, using only the .bin file?
[03:43] <apsuva> :)
[03:43] <Seveas> hondje, it does not need to have that name
[03:43] <anne> i think so..bin file..
[03:44] <cibressus> why is it when i type in G++ or GCC to the terminal it says file not found
[03:44] <hondje> cibressus: probably not installed
[03:44] <apsuva> anne is turkish language mother :)
[03:44] <littleworm> it connect to through the LAN
[03:44] <Seveas> anne, did you create symlinks to the plugin?
[03:44] <littleworm> connetcs*
[03:44] <cibressus> how the hell?
[03:44] <Seveas> cibressus, apt-get install build-essential
[03:44] <cibressus> how can it not be installed?
[03:44] <anne> sorry guys--im a nurse--not a techie :) english please?
[03:44] <cibressus> you mean ubutnu linux comes without gcc?
[03:44] <Seveas> anne, ok :)
[03:44] <Dave2> cibressus, by default
[03:44] <anne> thanks! :)
[03:44] <hondje> cibressus: why would it come with gcc installed?
[03:45] <Seveas> anne, open a root terminal
[03:45] <Dave2> I don't think many end-user distros come with GCC installed as default...
[03:45] <cibressus> hondje: how else is it suposed to build anything
[03:45] <anne> i will double check hondje's suggestion--but ithink i have already been there...
[03:45] <hondje> by installing gcc
[03:45] <anne> ok..seveas
[03:45] <hondje> most apps you would need are available via apt
[03:45] <Amaranth> having gcc is a _HUGE_ security risk
[03:45] <Seveas> anne, in that root terminal you type: cd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[03:45] <littleworm> can someone help me please?
[03:45] <Seveas> anne, then type ls -al and paste the output on ubuntu.pastebin.com
[03:46] <Seveas> cibressus, ubuntu is a binary distro
[03:46] <wolverian> cibressus: as said, install build-essential
[03:46] <cibressus> oh, heh
[03:46] <cibressus> good point
[03:46] <cibressus> how do i make my self root again?
[03:46] <Amaranth> sudo -s
[03:46] <Seveas> sudo -i
[03:46] <Amaranth> that'll give you a root terminal
[03:46] <Seveas> safer :)
[03:46] <anne> ok..brb
[03:46] <Amaranth> safer?
[03:47] <Seveas> sudo -s preserver $USER / $HOME and the like
[03:47] <Seveas> preserves*
[03:47] <hondje> hrm, new kernel today I see
[03:47] <Biff> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[03:47] <Seveas> sudo -i makes it a login shell
[03:47] <littleworm> Seveas, please help me
[03:47] <Amaranth> oh, i always just did sudo -s -H when i needed $HOME set correctly
[03:47] <Seveas> littleworm, i have no idea, i do not use adsl
[03:47] <raptoid> slmlar..
[03:47] <Amaranth> Seveas: btw, pastebin is horrid, http://rafb.net/paste/ is so much better
[03:47] <littleworm> oh
[03:47] <wolverian> Seveas: I actually prefer sudo -s. it is more a 'sudo' that stays on, than a replacement 'su'. that is, I can pretend I'm not root when I sudo -s; I'm still my own user, just with extended privileges.
[03:47] <Seveas> Amaranth, why?
[03:48] <Seveas> i like the private pastebin concept
[03:48] <Yvonne> littleworm: try this, open a terminal and type pppoeconf
[03:48] <wolverian> although I guess the distinction isn't really that big.
[03:48] <cibressus> excelent, thanks
[03:48] <littleworm> and then? i'm on windows now
[03:48] <hondje> hrm, yet another thing I learned...I figured sudo -s really made you root, since that's what whoami and id say
[03:48] <Amaranth> Seveas: rafb is clean and simple, pastebin is cluttered, ugly, and has ads
[03:49] <Seveas> sudo -s makes you root
[03:49] <anne> ok--i did...now what?
[03:49] <Seveas> anne, hold on :)
[03:49] <Amaranth> Seveas: and unless they fixed it it wraps everything you paste in <?php ?> tags
[03:49] <wolverian> hondje: it does, it just doesn't change the environment variables that tell what the current user's home directory and such are.
[03:49] <hondje> ah, okay
[03:49] <Seveas> anne, you typed it wrong
[03:49] <Seveas> Amaranth, fixed a while ago
[03:49] <anne> oops..i did?
[03:49] <Seveas> anne, in that root terminal you type: cd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[03:49] <cibressus> no if only i had a nice IDE :D
[03:49] <littleworm> Yvonne: what's next?
[03:49] <anne> oh..brb
[03:49] <Seveas> with a space between cd and /
[03:50] <wolverian> cibressus: vim.
[03:50] <Amaranth> cibressus: IDE for what?
[03:50] <Seveas> anne, then type ls -al and paste the output on ubuntu.pastebin.com
[03:50] <cibressus> heh
[03:50] <cibressus> c++
[03:50] <wolverian> Amaranth: what do you mean, for what? vim is always the answer. :)
[03:50] <hondje> hehe
[03:50] <Seveas> Amaranth, pastebin can now handle much more languages
[03:50] <Yvonne> it will ask you for username and password and it will connect if its ok
[03:50] <Seveas> Amaranth, and the private pastebin just rocks :)
[03:52] <Amaranth> Seveas: heh, back when i still wrote PHP me and a friend would complete to write the best pastebin. it had to produce standards complient HTML, be fast, be clean code, and be small. was fun, maybe i should do it again to make an Ubuntu pastebin that isn't ugly :D
[03:52] <da_bon_bon> shudnt parttion of type "extened" always be /dev/hdX4 ??
[03:52] <Seveas> Amaranth, i think pastebin looks awesome actually
[03:52] <Amaranth> Seveas: and, and you got bonus points if it didn't use the tokenizer, but that was a PITA :D
[03:52] <Seveas> but i just like blue :)
[03:52] <anne> i typed it again and its telling me no such file?
[03:53] <Seveas>  /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins does not exist??
[03:53] <Amaranth> Seveas: http://www.realistanew.com <--obviously so do i :)
[03:53] <Seveas> please check your spelling and use <tab> completion for the filename
[03:53] <cibressus> thats it!
[03:53] <Seveas> Amaranth, not my kind of blue
[03:53] <cibressus> i have my first project
[03:54] <Seveas> but not a bad site
[03:54] <cibressus> i'm going to make a program that pipes terminal output to a irc channel
[03:54] <hondje> like /exec -o does?
[03:54] <Seveas> cibressus, /exec -o in xchat...
[03:54] <cibressus> damnit
[03:54] <Seveas> hahahahhahahaha
[03:54] <Amaranth> Seveas: so you like turquoise (sp?) then?
[03:54] <sebas21> Sevaes can I copy and paste out of a directory tree
[03:54] <Seveas> neh, more like www.kaarsemaker.net
[03:55] <Seveas> sebas21, wat bedoel je?
[03:55] <anne> is there a space between cd and /
[03:55] <Seveas> yes
[03:55] <anne> ok..
[03:55] <forester_> grub would not boot, reinstalled everything the same except used lilo and it booted fine
[03:55] <sebas21> sevaes wat anne fout doet overkomt mij ook altijd
[03:55] <Amaranth> Seveas: interesting, but the colors suck ;)
[03:55] <sebas21> sevaes knippen en plakken weet je wel
[03:56] <Seveas> knippen en plakken in terminal is <ctr><shift>c en <ctr><shft>v
[03:56] <raa1> hi, to get Xinerama working under Xorg the system need to have same video cards ?
[03:56] <forester_> also, the time selection was odd, selecting "clock not set to GMT" and the verification screen was off as if I selected clock was set to GMT, went back and redid it, and clock was right.
[03:56] <forester_> What package do I need to get to read "man resizecons 8" ?
[03:57] <sebas21> sevaes ik reboot en kijk of bankieren via ubuntu firefox kan; mijn bankkontakt werkt zelf ook met linux thuis
[03:57] <beginner> hello
[03:57] <anne> ok--im into plug directory (i guess thats what to call it :)) but it will not accept ls -al
[03:58] <Seveas> sebas21, ik doe mijnpostbank.nl ook met java+firefox onder linux :)
[03:58] <anne> says total 8 drwxr-xr-xblah bblah...
[03:58] <Seveas> anne, that's ok
[03:58] <anne> paste that?
[03:58] <hondje> ironically, I'm the one with the dutch nick...
[03:58] <Seveas> paste that to ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[03:58] <anne> ok--your a doll.
[03:58] <Seveas> sebas21, er is ook #ubuntu-nl
[03:58] <raa1> Anyone Xinerama?
[03:58] <Seveas> hondje, but you're just a dog :p
[03:59] <snader> :P
[03:59] <sebas21> Sevaes zoek ik ernaast :b
[03:59] <anne> done..
[04:00] <hondje> yeah, I should /nick snoodaard
[04:00] <hondje> then I'd get some fear/respect
[04:00] <moyogo> yeah back from breezy to hoary
[04:00] <Seveas> anne, do you remember where java installed itself?
[04:00] <anne> home/desktop..
[04:01] <anne> thats one place anyway/
[04:01] <Seveas> anne, have you run the .bin file?
[04:01] <REds> can i install nvidia drivers on hoary and you the xf86config that come with the nvidia installer
[04:01] <REds> for dual monitor setup
[04:01] <anne> tried to--it tells me it cant open--i dont have a certain program
[04:01] <anne> i will see exactly what it says..
[04:01] <Seveas> REds, no, first of all hoary uses xorg
[04:02] <Seveas> anne, ok, so we'll need to do some other things
[04:02] <Seveas> but this is actually a good thing because we can now install java the proper way :)
[04:02] <Seveas> anne, in the root terminal type this:
[04:02] <Seveas> cd
[04:02] <Seveas> cd Desktop
[04:02] <anne> ok
[04:02] <jd101> hi I just did the kernel upgrade but I lost the 3d Nvidia driver, what should I do?
[04:02] <Seveas> sudo apt-get install java-package
[04:02] <Seveas> (and the last one needs your password)
[04:02] <hondje> jd101: just re-run the installer
[04:03] <REds> Seveas, ahh ok, is there a config i can use, i been searching but cant find somethn for dual monitors setup on an nvidia geforce fx card
[04:03] <hondje> oh wait, ubuntu has that apt thing for nvidia drivers
[04:03] <Seveas> REds, no idea, sorry, never used nvidia
[04:03] <jd101> hondje: what installer exactly?
[04:03] <REds> not a problem
[04:03] <REds> thanks
[04:03] <anne> cant find it...do i need $ sign?
[04:03] <hondje> jd101: Ignore me, I forgot ubuntu has some apt-able thing for nvidia
[04:03] <Seveas> can't find what anne?
[04:04] <kiddyfurby> hello~
[04:04] <stuNNed> REds: nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:04] <anne> cant find "package java package"
[04:04] <Seveas> java-package
[04:04] <anne> yep
[04:04] <Seveas> with a -
[04:04] <anne> yep
[04:04] <Seveas> sudo apt-get install java-package
[04:04] <anne> i tried that earlier to thru ubuntu help site.."(
[04:04] <Seveas> you typed it like that??
[04:05] <anne> yep
[04:05] <anne>  let me try again ok?
[04:05] <Seveas> ah ok, i think i know what it is
[04:05] <kiddyfurby> does anyone have any idea on " libstdc++.so.6 " ?
[04:05] <anne> still didnt work...
[04:05] <Seveas> anne, try this in a *normal* terminal:
[04:06] <Seveas> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:06] <anne> "normal terminal"
[04:06] <Seveas> application->system tools-> terminal (that's a normal terminal)
[04:06] <wolverian> or just edit these via Synaptic's Settings -> Repositories
[04:06] <wolverian> (at least if you're running hoary, not sure about warty)
[04:06] <Seveas> wolverian, i always forget that one, thnx
[04:06] <wolverian> Seveas: it's much less scary for the unexperienced :)
[04:07] <wolverian> (and saner as it doesn't let you make mistakes so easily)
[04:07] <Seveas> anne, sorry for the confusion but please disregard the normal terminal bit
[04:07] <anne> ok..i have the sources list up? keep it?
[04:07] <Seveas> na, close it :)
[04:07] <anne> ok
[04:07] <anne> do what wolverian said?
[04:07] <Seveas> go to system->administration->synaptic package manager
[04:08] <Fator_Dee> ah, fift cup of coffee for today...
[04:08] <wolverian> Seveas will explain it to you, anne. I'll go take a shower. :)
[04:08] <Seveas> in synaptic, go to settings->repositories
[04:08] <wolverian> Seveas: thanks for being helpful, by the way. it is nice.
[04:08] <anne> thanks!
[04:08] <Seveas> and in the window that pops up, make sure all repositories are enabled
[04:09] <Seveas> if you did that, click ok, close synaptic and go back to the root terminal
[04:09] <anne> k
[04:09] <Seveas> and tell me when you're there :)
[04:10] <anne> everything is enabled except warty
[04:10] <anne> enable this too?
[04:10] <wolverian> enable main, security and universe
[04:10] <bigfoot> how can i do a  "printscreen" with a drop-down list open?
[04:11] <wolverian> (I'm not on ubuntu right now. I think you need to edit the hoary repository, and in the subscreen enable universe)
[04:11] <wolverian> okay, now to shower really.
[04:11] <bigfoot> when I hit printscreen on my keyboard, the dropdown list closes.
[04:11] <Seveas> anne, it's safe to enable all. If yo want to be sure, paste /etc/apt/sources.list to ubunto.pastebin.com so i can check it
[04:11] <wolverian> Seveas: er, I wouldn't enable warty if I was running hoary...
[04:11] <Seveas> bigfoot, use the gimp and timeouts
[04:11] <kisain> is the swap that shown in top "swapd0
[04:11] <wolverian> (although I don't know what the situation is)
[04:11] <Seveas> wolverian, no prob in that
[04:11] <wolverian> okay.
[04:11] <anne> k..hang a sec..
[04:11] <Seveas> since the hoary lists will contain newer versions
[04:12] <wolverian> sure, but it's redundant and takes up bandwith.
[04:12] <Seveas> wolverian, not really
[04:12] <Seveas> a list is only downloaded if it has changed
[04:12] <wolverian> hmm. true enough.
[04:12] <bigfoot> Seveas, i've never really used gimp before. i have it open now. where do i go for "timeouts"
[04:12] <bigfoot> ?
[04:13] <Seveas> just open the screenshot tool
[04:13] <eruin> some naty heavy xorg modularization going on in breezy - I've got no /usr/bin/xorg ;-)
[04:13] <bigfoot> Seveas, where's the screenshot tool? i can't find it under the "tool" menu.
[04:14] <no0tic> kernel security upgrade is broken
[04:14] <Seveas> file->acquire->screen shot
[04:14] <Seveas> no0tic, in what way?
[04:14] <no0tic> Seveas: kernel panic at boot
[04:15] <bigfoot> seveas, when i try to access Help under Gimp, it says "Could not find Gimp Help Browser. The GIMP help browser plug-in appears to be missing from your installation." what's wrong?
[04:15] <Seveas> no0tic, ouch :/
[04:15] <Seveas> bigfoot, no idea
[04:16] <forester_> There a php5 package?
[04:16] <kisain> how do i make gkhdplop in gkrellm read off of md0
[04:16] <anne> sent it ubuntu pastebin...
[04:16] <Hoxzer>  Forester: have you been fucked into ass with hard black mamba?
[04:17] <Seveas> looks good anne
[04:17] <ukko> +
[04:17] <hondje>  /dev/hdb1 is borked...I got the bad superblock blues :(
[04:17] <Seveas> anne, now do this: sudo apt-get update
[04:17] <Seveas> and after that: sudo apt-get install java-package
[04:18] <kisain> anyone know
[04:18] <anne> done.
[04:18] <Seveas> it found the java-package?
[04:18] <anne> still cant find it...:(
[04:18] <Seveas> hmm?
[04:19] <anne> thats what i m saying...
[04:19] <lcore_> sshd config question: After setting 'Protocol 2' in sshd_config and scaning host with nessus I get the following Info: "The remote daemon supports the following versions o the SSH protocol: . 1.99 . 2.0" How to allow only version 2.0?
[04:19] <Seveas> ah, shoot, it's in multiverse, my bad. Hold on a sec...
[04:19] <anne> does it have anything to do with kde not working either?
[04:19] <no0tic> Seveas: the installation script doesn't insert the initrd line for the new kernel
[04:20] <Seveas> no0tic, hmm, that's too weird
[04:20] <Church_of_FoamY> so anyone know about that ? i asked?
[04:20] <Seveas> anne, in the root terminal try this (please copy EXACTLY): sed -e 's/universe/universe multiverse/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:21] <Seveas> it's a little magic that saves me from explaining 3 things and wasting time :)
[04:21] <forester_> blah
[04:21] <neur0n> hey, does ubunto come with either lilo or grub or both?
[04:21] <forester_> how can you not have a php5 package?
[04:21] <Seveas> neur0n, grub by default
[04:21] <Seveas> lilo is available
[04:21] <forester_> neur0n: Both, grub just failed me. Redid with lilo fine.
[04:21] <neur0n> Seveas - thanks
[04:21] <neur0n> thank you both :)
[04:22] <bigfoot> what's a good compact file format to share a file (printscreen) with another Linux Ubuntu user?
[04:22] <bigfoot> Png? GIF?
[04:22] <forester_> png
[04:22] <Seveas> jpg is compact
[04:22] <Seveas> png is nice
[04:22] <forester_> png is compact as well
[04:22] <bigfoot> png is not as compact as jpg? what about GIF? isn't gif very compact?
[04:22] <forester_> gif is limited to 256 colors
[04:23] <forester_> it is about as compact as png
[04:23] <forester_> jpg can be more compact
[04:23] <forester_> but sacrifices quality
[04:23] <anne> seveas..nothing hapened
[04:23] <forester_> jpeg200 is very nice
[04:23] <bobitrobi> hi all
[04:23] <forester_> png does not degrage in quality at all
[04:23] <teknoprep> hi
[04:23] <Seveas> anne, that means it's ok :)P
[04:23] <Seveas> :)
[04:23] <teknoprep> what file would i save my xmodmap settings i have added for my keyboard to work with my special keys... every time i reboot tho they go away..
[04:23] <Seveas> try sudo apt-get update
[04:23] <teknoprep> Seveas, whats up mang
[04:23] <Seveas> and sudo apt-get install java-package
[04:23] <anne> thats good right?
[04:23] <beginner> where can i find dclib?
[04:24] <Seveas> teknoprep, ~/.xmodmaprc
[04:24] <anne> done
[04:24] <teknoprep> ty Seveas
[04:24] <forester_> Where the hell is php5?
[04:24] <Seveas> forester_, dotdeb.org might have some packages
[04:24] <anne> send to plugin?
[04:24] <Seveas> anne, it found java-package now?
[04:24] <anne> nope...
[04:24] <forester_> Why doesn't ubuntu have php5?
[04:24] <Seveas> not??
[04:24] <Seveas> anne, did you do apt-get update too?
[04:25] <anne> nope...
[04:25] <anne> yep
[04:25] <bigfoot> I'm trying to save a file as jpeg in Gthumb image viewer. a "JPEG options" dialog window pops up. what's smoothing? what's progressive?
[04:25] <bigfoot> jpeg200 is not the same as jpeg, forester_ ?
[04:25] <anne> let me  do it again
[04:25] <forester_> progressive means the image is saved in an interlaced way allowing it to be displayed "progressively"
[04:25] <Seveas> anne, try this: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep multiverse
[04:26] <forester_> smoothing blurs the image so the jpeg algorithm can compress better
[04:26] <forester_> don't use jpg :p
[04:26] <Seveas> does that show any output??
[04:26] <forester_> use png for screenshots
[04:26] <anne> hang on a sec--i think we got it!!
[04:26] <teknoprep> Seveas, is hte format of the.xmodmaprc liek this ... xmodmap -e 'keycode 160 = 0x1001234'
[04:26] <forester_> and maybe even artwork if you care about it
[04:26] <moyogo> how do you display unicode characters at the console (no X)
[04:26] <Seveas> teknoprep, no
[04:26] <teknoprep> oh
[04:26] <anne> says it found it--does that mean it  will work?
[04:27] <teknoprep> i do not have a file there already
[04:27] <Seveas> anne, it found java-package or did it find multiverse?
[04:27] <Seveas> teknoprep, see the manpage for xmodmap :)
[04:27] <anne> fakeroot?
[04:27] <anne> dont see multivers written anywhere...
[04:28] <Seveas> anne, hmm, that's odd, the sed bit should have done it
[04:28] <anne> oops--yep multiverse from archive
[04:28] <Seveas> anne, can you paste your sources.list again
[04:28] <anne> sure...
[04:28] <Seveas> just for checking :)
[04:29] <bobitrobi> can someone help me
[04:30] <no0tic> Seveas: it only happened to my k7 kernel, 686 kernel updated well
[04:30] <cibressus> is thier any support at all for the audigy 2 line of sound cards?
[04:30] <Seveas> no0tic, please file a bug
[04:30] <cibressus> drivers that is
[04:31] <kuntu> any boy scouts here ?
[04:31] <cibressus> i used to be one
[04:31] <teknoprep> no we are all linux dorks
[04:31] <beginner> does anybody knows how to install dc-0.3.7.tar.gz
[04:31] <beginner> ?
[04:32] <cibressus> first you need to untar it
[04:32] <kuntu> boy scouts make the best mpaa snitchs
[04:32] <cibressus> then check out the read me
[04:32] <Seveas> beginner, probably tar zxvf dc-0.3.7.tar.gz && cd dc-0.3.7 && ./configure && make && fakeroot checkinstall
[04:32] <kuntu> LOL
[04:33] <anne> i cant--how do i get the list again? i tried etc/apt/sources.list  says command not found
[04:33] <yahalom> i installed ubuntu on one pc and it was setup to 686 now i moved that hard disk to another pc and it wont load x how do i fix this?
[04:33] <Seveas> anne, gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:33] <anne> sorry
[04:33] <Seveas> if that does not work: try from a normal terminal
[04:33] <bobitrobi> I would like to install grub on may win Xp disk, now I have ubuntu on primary master and I woul like to put it on primary slave.  How can I do ti
[04:34] <beginner> seveas i does not worked
[04:34] <Seveas> beginner, i'm not even surprised
[04:34] <beginner> why?
[04:34] <Seveas> extract the archive and read the readme
[04:34] <Seveas> and the INSTALL file
[04:34] <beginner> k
[04:34] <anne> forgot gedit...:)
[04:35] <yahalom> how do i reconfigure x?
[04:35] <Fackamato> x?
[04:35] <Fackamato> the x server?
[04:35] <Fackamato> by the config file.. ?
[04:35] <Seveas> yahalom, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:36] <yahalom> Seveas, and then it will find the right arch?
[04:36] <Seveas> yahalom, let's hope for it
[04:36] <yahalom> Seveas, thanx ;)
[04:37] <A_Alam> marcus|, ping
[04:38] <_Xavi_> hi, i want to use ubuntu as a server system, i dont have access to the server so ive decided to use debootstrap.. is there a way of getting it to install the server system instead of normal desktop? (it wants to install alsa at the beginning then in stage two base-config it wants x server and gnome etc)
[04:38] <batma8> I can get my wireless adapter to work for internet ok, however i have to completely reinstall it every time i restart my system
[04:38] <batma8> not just restart the device..i have to reinstall everything
[04:38] <batma8> any ideas?
[04:38] <apsuva> Seveas good performance :)
[04:38] <bobitrobi> Xavi when instaling type server
[04:39] <bobitrobi> at the boot prompt of CD
[04:39] <_Xavi_> bobitrobi: read again, i dont have physical access so i cant use cd
[04:39] <_Xavi_> im installing over ssh
[04:39] <yahalom> Seveas, one more thing: how do i get gdm to display in my local language?
[04:39] <_Xavi_> its currently a gentoo system
[04:39] <beginner> i cant get it seveas
[04:40] <bigfoot> i was told to "restart gnome" . is this the same as restarting the computer?
[04:40] <bobitrobi> no
[04:40] <anne> seveas--is it nice to be this wanted? lol
[04:40] <Seveas> lol :)
[04:40] <bigfoot> bobitrobi, how do i restart gnome?
[04:40] <Seveas> beginner, then i cannot help you, sorry
[04:40] <Seveas> bigfoot <ctrl><alt><del>
[04:40] <beginner> k
[04:40] <bobitrobi> just a minute
[04:40] <Seveas> bigfoot <ctrl><alt><bksp>
[04:40] <Seveas> not <del>
[04:41] <athlon> ouch
[04:41] <Seveas> anne, ok, try sudo apt-get update and paste its output please
[04:41] <Seveas> i want to see where it goes wrong since your sources.list is OK
[04:41] <cibressus> i can't get my audigy 2 to work
[04:42] <anne> done..
[04:42] <Seveas> ok, now sudo apt-get install java-package
[04:43] <Seveas> and again paste the output :)
[04:44] <anne> done
[04:44] <Seveas> ok
[04:44] <Seveas> you said the .bin file is on your deskto right?
[04:44] <anne> let me double dcheck
[04:45] <anne> yep
[04:45] <Seveas> because we're almost there now :)
[04:45] <anne> coolll....
[04:45] <Seveas> ok, now open a *normal* terminal
[04:45] <Seveas> in that terminal you type:
[04:45] <Seveas> cd Desktop
[04:45] <Seveas> fakroot make-jpkg .......bin
[04:45] <anne> wait a minute..
[04:45] <Seveas> replace .....bin with the actual filename
[04:46] <anne> went to terminal in app/sys tool right?
[04:46] <Seveas> yes, right
[04:46] <apsuva> gaim messanger support webcam?
[04:46] <Seveas> apsuva, only if tou install gaim-vv
[04:46] <anne> k-says no such file or directory
[04:47] <Seveas> which one, the cd or the other?
[04:47] <anne> cd
[04:47] <Seveas> weird, can you paste it please
[04:47] <anne> it also now has the $ sign....ok
[04:48] <anne> paste it how? sorry...
[04:48] <Seveas> that $ sign is irrelevant :)
[04:48] <Seveas> on the pastebin
[04:48] <anne> k
[04:48] <apsuva> another messenger support webcam?
[04:48] <apsuva> other
[04:49] <Seveas> anne, pastebin.com just died
[04:49] <apsuva> :) very bad english
[04:49] <anne> says command not found...
[04:49] <anne> oohhh...
[04:49] <Seveas> you can use pastebin.kaarsemaker.net
[04:50] <pfp> hmm, which package should own /usr/bin/X11/Xorg (on Hoary)?
[04:50] <Seveas> pfp, dpkg -S /usr/bin/X11/Xorg
[04:50] <Invisible> pfp, do you have installed xorg ?
[04:51] <Kernel_Panic> apsuva, you have gaim-vv that supports webcam but works with the new sip protocol and not with h323 so its not compatible with netmeeting
[04:51] <pfp> Seveas: it says .... not found, which is why i ask
[04:51] <Seveas> hmm, interesting
[04:51] <apsuva> thank you Kernel_Panic
[04:51] <Seveas> anne, any luck on the pastebin already?
[04:52] <Invisible> pfp, do you have xorg installed correctly?
[04:52] <Kernel_Panic> you can install gaim-vv with the apt-get command if you input the sourchlist in you /etc/apt/sourch.list that sourchlist = a moment I will chec it:)
[04:52] <anne> still working on pasting it...
[04:53] <pfp> Invisible: i think so, upgraded from warty, dpkg --get-selections shows xserver-xorg etc.
[04:53] <Kernel_Panic> gaim-vv sourchlist = deb http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian unstable main
[04:53] <daniels> pfp: /usr/bin/X11/Xorg doesn't exist
[04:53] <Seveas> daniels, it does on my system
[04:53] <Seveas> standard hoary
[04:53] <daniels> /usr/bin/X11 generally exists as a symlink to /usr/X11R6/bin
[04:53] <daniels> and xserver-xorg contains /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg
[04:53] <Seveas> ahhh!
[04:53] <daniels> pfp: you aren't using breezy rather than hoary, are you?
[04:54] <Kernel_Panic> apsuva, And I think that kopete also support webcam
[04:54] <pfp> ach, yes, that's why dpkg -S didn't find it, it's a symlink
[04:54] <pfp> daniels: no :)
[04:54] <Seveas> pfp: dennis@mirage ~ $ dpkg -S `readlink -f /usr/bin/X11/Xorg `
[04:54] <Seveas> xserver-xorg: /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg
[04:54] <anne> ok--did all that..still says bash hit command not found..did i do something wrong?
[04:55] <anne> i pasted it to the normal terminal//
[04:55] <Seveas> anne, let's restart on the last step
[04:55] <Seveas> open a normal terminal again
[04:55] <pfp> Seveas: cool, thanks (could have thought for 1/2 min longer myself ;)
[04:55] <anne> ok...i really appreciate the help by the way...
[04:56] <_Xavi_> hi, i want to use ubuntu as a server system, i dont have access to the server so ive decided to use debootstrap over ssh (gentoo is currently installed).. is there a way of getting it to install the server system instead of normal desktop? (it wants to install alsa at the beginning then in stage two base-config it wants x server and gnome etc)
[04:56] <apsuva> ok Kernel_Panic thank you
[04:56] <Seveas> anne, in that terminal you type this: find ~ -name *.bin
[04:56] <Kernel_Panic> apsuva, your welcome
[04:56] <Seveas> anne, and paste the output of that on ubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:57] <anne> space btw name *
[04:57] <da_bon_bon> how do i compile "atkbd" as a module, rather than as built into kernel ?
[04:58] <versi> hola
[04:58] <Seveas> yes anne
[04:58] <Seveas> and between find and ~ and between ~ and -name
[04:58] <refuze2looze> what's the command to see what task is using a certain device?
[04:58] <anne> says paths must preced e expression
[04:59] <hondje> refuze2looze: like fuser?
[04:59] <anne> should i throw away this program and go back to infected windows.?  yeah raight..
[04:59] <Seveas> anne, please don't :)
[04:59] <da_bon_bon> how do i compile "atkbd" as a module, rather than as built into kernel ?
[04:59] <Seveas> we're so close
[04:59] <anne> not in a million years :)
[04:59] <vardhan> Which is the GUI to edit runlevel ?
[04:59] <refuze2looze> hondje: some program is using my sound device and i want to kill it
[05:00] <anne> as long as we dont get anymore grey hair huh? lol
[05:00] <Seveas> anne, ok, try it this way: findX/homeX-nameX'*.bin' (replace all X by spaces)
[05:00] <anne> and you dont get frustrated with me and quit..:)
[05:00] <hondje> oh, try fuser /dev/dsp, or lsof | grep dsp
[05:00] <anne> k
[05:00] <Seveas> anne, i don't get frustrated easily :)
[05:00] <Seveas> i've seen much worse people than you in here
[05:01] <refuze2looze> hondje: thanks
[05:01] <hondje> refuze2looze: you're welcome :)
[05:02] <anne> good--cuz it  didnt do anything!!
[05:02] <Seveas> anne, it did *not* give an error and it also dit *not* give any output?
[05:02] <anne> nope--just carrots
[05:02] <Seveas> carrots?
[05:02] <anne> did i need a squiggly in there?
[05:03] <Seveas> nah /home replaced the squiggly
[05:03] <anne> yeah--markers left/ right--above the period and comma
[05:03] <^thehatsrule^> no, ~ is /home/user/
[05:03] <Ali_Baba> Seveas does locate *.bin do that same thing :)
[05:03] <Seveas> ^thehatsrule^, i know, but not important here
[05:03] <rayen> Hi, I have installed Xfce4 (window manager) with apt-get, but I don't see it on the list at 'Session' when I want to login on X to start a window manager?
[05:03] <^thehatsrule^> :P
[05:03] <Seveas> Ali_Baba, not if updatedb didn't run
[05:03] <hondje> you have to updatedb for slocate :(
[05:03] <cerius> #ubuntu-de
[05:03] <Seveas> anne, can you please paste the output on the pastebin again
[05:04] <Ali_Baba> ok,dont know about that :)
[05:04] <anne> k] 
[05:04] <^thehatsrule^> rayen, i think #ubuntux :P
[05:05] <rayen> ok
[05:05] <Sufrounpelin> hi/hola
[05:05] <anne> uh ohh..did kaarseman crash?
[05:05] <anne> says fatal error...
[05:05] <Seveas> anne, i see, but i have other ways to see it
[05:05] <Seveas> hold on
[05:05] <anne> ok...
[05:05] <anne> no prob
[05:06] <refuze2looze> ^thehatsrule^: i would have thought it should be Xubuntu =P
[05:06] <KD5PBO> Does Ubuntu un well on laptops?
[05:07] <Fator_Dee> refuze2looze: but Xubuntu doesn't have tux in it!
[05:07] <yahalom> how do i make gdm (the login screen) in my locality?
[05:07] <Seveas> anne, ok, are you 100% positive you downloaded a .bin file from java.sun.com and it is on your Desktop?
[05:07] <daniels> KD5PBO: yes
[05:07] <^thehatsrule^> refuze2looze, i have no idea
[05:07] <^thehatsrule^> Fator_Dee, LOL!
[05:07] <Seveas> because find seems to disagree with that
[05:07] <refuze2looze> lol
[05:07] <anne> it appears in my desktop folder
[05:07] <Seveas> ok
[05:08] <Seveas> in the terminal type: cd ~/Desktop
[05:08] <anne> i have downloaded so many "updates" it may not be the right one..but ithink it is...
[05:08] <Seveas> and type ls
[05:08] <anne> the root terminal or the normal one.
[05:08] <Seveas> normal one
[05:08] <Seveas> and paste the output of that to ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[05:09] <yahalom> Seveas, do u know?
[05:09] <L7> can anyone please help me getting mp3s to work?
[05:09] <gibbie> do you have mr3 software installed yet?
[05:09] <refuze2looze> L7: is your sound working?
[05:09] <anne> done
[05:09] <yahalom> L7, download the codecs
[05:09] <Seveas> yahalom, dunno, maybe by editing /etc/environment
[05:10] <Seveas> L7, have you read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:10] <L7> refuze2looze, yes, but not mp3s in amaroK and so
[05:10] <yahalom> Seveas, thanx
[05:10] <refuze2looze> L7: download Beep Media Player from synaptic
[05:10] <Seveas> anne, nice, we're 2 steps away from having java installed
[05:10] <anne> cool--was i right?
[05:10] <anne> in desktop?
[05:10] <L7> refuze2looze, but i don't want another media-player
[05:11] <L7> yahalom, what codecs?
[05:11] <Fator_Dee> L7: you don't have to install another mediaplayer
[05:11] <Seveas> anne: copy this exactly in the root terminal: apt-get install fakeroot
[05:11] <Seveas> (it's actually 3 steps, i forgot one)
[05:11] <anne> undr desktop?
[05:11] <xhaker> i'm having problems with beep media player and that multiple sounds tweak :(
[05:11] <anne> or go back to cd
[05:11] <Fator_Dee> L7: read the 6th section in the restricted formats wiki, it tells you what you need to install to get mp3s working
[05:11] <Seveas> anne, no, in the root terminal
[05:11] <anne> oops
[05:12] <Seveas> the other must stay in the Desktop folder :)
[05:12] <gibbie> L7: i'm not sure about Amarok settings, but for XMMS to work I had to go to XMMS prefs and manually choose my audio device as (hw:0,0) before i got sound
[05:12] <anne> done
[05:13] <Seveas> nice, what did it say?
[05:13] <Seveas> it installed something?
[05:13] <gibbie> L7: also check your audio mixer settings (i.e. levels and muting)
[05:13] <anne> says already there
[05:13] <Seveas> ok
[05:13] <Seveas> even better
[05:13] <dust> alo
[05:13] <anne> 1 step now? lol
[05:13] <Seveas> now we go back to the normal terminal (under Desktop) and please copy this exactly:
[05:13] <dust> anyone succesfully install winecvs?
[05:14] <Seveas> fakroot  make-jpkg  jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin
[05:14] <Seveas> fakeroot  make-jpkg  jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin
[05:14] <Seveas> only the 2nd one
[05:15] <Church_of_FoamY> hey bob2 i did it i got software raid to work
[05:15] <bob2> yay
[05:15] <Seveas> anne, you will then get an interactive program, please follow its instructions
[05:15] <Church_of_FoamY> it rocks
[05:15] <anne> fakroot or fakeroot?
[05:15] <Church_of_FoamY> i even made a swap partition after words
[05:15] <Seveas> fakeroot
[05:15] <Seveas> the other will fail :)
[05:16] <anne> thx!
[05:16] <pfp> mm, swraid == good
[05:16] <L7> Fator_Dee, i think i remember after installing the gstreamer-package i needed to typ pkill esd or something, have any idea?
[05:18] <anne> looks done..
[05:18] <anne> should it give me another prompt or something?
[05:18] <Spug> how can I set mplayer's video device to xv in the config file?
[05:18] <anne> it will override any other java on here right?
[05:18] <Seveas> anne, you followed all instructions and it took quite a while?
[05:19] <anne> no
[05:19] <Seveas> no?
[05:19] <anne> still working on it?
[05:19] <anne>  removing temp dir now
[05:19] <Seveas> ah :)
[05:19] <anne> back to desktop
[05:19] <Seveas> nice!
[05:19] <anne> yes?
[05:20] <hondje> and the crowd goes wild
[05:20] <Seveas> ok, one last step now: in the same terminal you type: sudo  dpkg  -i  *.deb
[05:20] <hondje> 'anne!', they shout, 'you're inches from java!'
[05:20] <anne> says we can install package as a root? is this right
[05:20] <anne> lol!!
[05:21] <Seveas> anne, what does it say exactly? (copy to pastebin if you don't want to type it over)
[05:22] <jan123> salam to all
[05:22] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone know a good internet radio player
[05:22] <Church_of_FoamY> for .mpg and other audio formats
[05:22] <pfp> xmms?
[05:22] <Church_of_FoamY> cool
[05:22] <anne> i sent the whole thing..
[05:22] <Lafitte-> Church_of_FoamY,  streamtuner
[05:22] <Seveas> Church_of_FoamY, do not use xmms, try beep-media-player
[05:23] <Seveas> anne, ah ok
[05:23] <Seveas> ok, one last step now: in the same terminal you type: sudo  dpkg  -i  *.deb
[05:23] <anne> ah...what
[05:23] <anne> desktop
[05:23] <Seveas> yes in desktop
[05:23] <Lafitte-> Church_of_FoamY,  streamtuner surfs for streams  an calls xmms to play them
[05:23] <anne> k
[05:23] <Seveas> if you do that, it will finally install java
[05:24] <anne> sumthin sumthin...
[05:25] <anne> i think its done....
[05:25] <teknoprep> what file loads up with my profile when i log in with KDE
[05:25] <anne> went back to desktop
[05:25] <teknoprep> i need to have something startup under my profile on startup
[05:25] <anne> want me to paste....
[05:25] <Seveas> anne, please do :)
[05:25] <bob2> teknoprep: #kubuntu
[05:25] <anne> k
[05:26] <teknoprep> um
[05:26] <teknoprep> bleh
[05:26] <anne> doen
[05:26] <makaveli> if i wanted to automatically run a command line argument on startup how would i do that?
[05:27] <Seveas> anne, congratulations! it is done!!
[05:27] <Seveas> try it out now :)
[05:27] <anne> whooo!! hooo!!!
[05:27] <bob2> makaveli: depends what the command is and when you want it to run
[05:27] <anne> now for the ultimate test--can i open my bank acount?
[05:27] <anne> brb..
[05:28] <makaveli> i want to run it as soon as i get into the desktop the command i want to run is 3ddesk --acquire
[05:28] <^thehatsrule^> x apps go in .xinitrc i think
[05:28] <^thehatsrule^> for startup
[05:28] <Seveas> makaveli, 3ddesktop is a resource hog
[05:28] <NicePics> Is it possible to easily alter the color of the "OK"s when booting? The "FAIL"s are all red, but otherwise everything else is a dull grey
[05:28] <bob2> ^thehatsrule^: nope
[05:28] <bob2> not with gdm
[05:28] <makaveli> yea i know but i like it
[05:28] <^thehatsrule^> ah oops, my fault
[05:28] <Seveas> makaveli, then add it to starup programs
[05:28] <refuze2looze> makaveli: you can add it to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
[05:29] <Seveas> makaveli, in system->preferences->sessions you can add it to startup programs
[05:29] <makaveli> i tried that but it didn't run the acquire
[05:29] <anner_nwm> seveas--
[05:29] <Goonie> I have a silly question... I'm updating my system now with synaptics and it's downloading linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 and linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 . should it be upgrading both 386 and 686 ?
[05:29] <anner_nwm> it still says to enable java from netscape navigator....
[05:29] <Seveas> Goonie, if you have both of them installed, yes
[05:30] <Seveas> anner_nwm, ok, i think i know the problem
[05:30] <Seveas> anner_nwm, please type the following in the terminal and paste the output:
[05:30] <anner_nwm> i dont know why my screen name c hanged..hmmm
[05:31] <dradul> Hi, is anyone familiar with using a Todos Surf Lite II USB ISDN adapter to connect to the net? Hoary can see it as a modem in /dev/ttyACM0 but it give no feedback to the dialer...?
[05:31] <Seveas> ls -al /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[05:31] <anner_nwm> root?
[05:31] <Seveas> doesn't matter
[05:31] <Goonie> Seveas~ well when I installed warty from the cd it automatically installed 386 but then I upgraded to hoary and ppl in here told me I should be using 686 and showed me how to change to 686.... I guess 386 is still installed then. How do I uninstall that one?
[05:32] <Seveas> Goonie, search in synaptic for everything that is installed and has linux and 386 in its name. Remove these
[05:32] <Goonie> Seveas~ thx
[05:32] <anner_nwm> done...
[05:32] <NicePics> Can I change the OK/FAIL colors in grub(?) when booting in verbose mode?
[05:32] <anner_nwm> you know for a sec there, i thought you were calling me "gogonie"--lol
[05:32] <anner_nwm> goonie that is...
[05:33] <dradul> Goonie, if you search for linux-image-386 and mark it for complete removal, Synaptic will remove all the related kernel packages as well.
[05:34] <Seveas> anner_nwm, that looks normal, now this one: ls  -al  /etc/alternatives/firefox-java*
[05:34] <Seveas> and paste the output again
[05:34] <Seveas> dradul, not neccessarily
[05:34] <dradul> Saveas, that's been my experience :-)
[05:35] <dradul> Oh! Seveas :-)
[05:35] <anner_nwm> done
[05:35] <Seveas> anner_nwm, did that come back with black and red colors?
[05:35] <Spug> I've set gmplayer to use xv as video output, but how can I set mplayer to use it as well, in the config file?
[05:35] <anner_nwm> no--lite blue and blsack
[05:36] <Seveas> hmm
[05:36] <Seveas> ok, last one then: ls -al /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[05:36] <eduardo> hey
[05:37] <eduardo> ho
[05:37] <eduardo> let's go
[05:37] <dradul> BTW, does anyone have any ideas with the USB IDN adapter I mentioned? Todos Surf Lite II USB? I know this combo phone/adapter is popular in the Czech Republic and here in Colombia as well...
[05:37] <eduardo> I need codecs in my mplayer
[05:38] <Seveas> eduardo, then download them ;)
[05:38] <eduardo> ok ... from atp-get ?
[05:39] <eduardo> I get mplayer from apt-get ... but ... not have codecs
[05:40] <Seveas> eduardo, get them from the mplayer website
[05:40] <Seveas> anne, any luck yet on that last command?
[05:40] <Biff> you need extra mirrors to get the w32codecs package
[05:40] <Biff> for mplayer
[05:41] <eduardo> rigth
[05:41] <Biff> read about it in the wiki, in the RestrictedFormats section
[05:41] <eduardo> ok ... and in toten ?
[05:41] <anner_nwm> not working--i pasted it...
[05:41] <Biff> in totem you mean?
[05:42] <dradul> Eduardo, the w32codecs are in the backports repo. http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[05:42] <eduardo> yep  ... too
[05:42] <Dave2> Is it just me, or is backports very slooooooow?
[05:42] <Seveas> anner_nwm, that's what i figured (and it's also why it is not working yet)
[05:42] <Biff> Dave2: its not you
[05:42] <anner_nwm> ohh...
[05:42] <Biff> it is sloooow :)
[05:42] <Dave2> 100k to get
[05:42] <Dave2> 10 hours later, 50% through
[05:42] <refuze2looze> Dave2: yeah they're slow
[05:43] <refuze2looze> usually i get 10 KB/s
[05:43] <Biff> i usually have around 10KB/s
[05:43] <raptoid> pacpac, fakfak
[05:43] <pacpac> ehauheuhaue
[05:43] <raptoid> fuckfuckpacpac
[05:43] <pacpac> raptoid, asl ?
[05:43] <Seveas> anner_nwm, ok, let's try to find the plugin: type this in the terminal: find  /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/  -name  *libjavaplugin*
[05:43] <raptoid> turkish ATTACK !
[05:43] <raptoid> eaohhoaohe
[05:43] <pacpac> locate libjavaplugin
[05:43] <raptoid> 27 b izmir
[05:43] <Seveas> raptoid, cut it out please
[05:43] <pacpac> 28 (c)m vienna
[05:44] <raptoid> Seveas, tamam canim sen uzulme
[05:44] <AnselmoLacerda> I thinking about use Ubuntu in my notebook, but it is so old... I don't know if it'll be slow... waht do you think?
[05:44] <raptoid> default languge ?
[05:44] <raptoid> language
[05:44] <raptoid> yani
[05:44] <Seveas> raptoid, i can only assume that that means nothing nice
[05:44] <raptoid> englishmi
[05:44] <Seveas> we speak english in here
[05:44] <pacpac> AnselmoLacerda, try slackware
[05:44] <raptoid> I little speak english
[05:44] <raptoid> I'm speak hard french
[05:44] <Dave2> AnselmoLacerda, what kind of speed?
[05:44] <raptoid> olurmu ?
[05:44] <MonkeyBonkey> gots a ?
[05:44] <pacpac> speking english ?
[05:44] <AnselmoLacerda> pacpac, I've used Slackware
[05:44] <pacpac> I live in english
[05:44] <Seveas> raptoid, then go to #ubuntu-fr (french)
[05:45] <raptoid> little channel
[05:45] <MonkeyBonkey> When i start up ubuntu linux it says Grub loading..... error 15
[05:45] <anner_nwm> no such file...
[05:45] <MonkeyBonkey> and it wont boot, so i have to put the cd in to start it
[05:45] <AnselmoLacerda> Dave2, My note is a Pentium II.... 300Mhz with 128MB or ram memory
[05:45] <Seveas> anner_nwm, paste it again please :)
[05:45] <pacpac> MonkeyBonkey, google grub+error 15
[05:45] <MonkeyBonkey> ok
[05:45] <refuze2looze> Seveas: why didn't you have her install java from synaptic?
[05:45] <Dave2> AnselmoLacerda, that should run Ubuntu
[05:45] <raptoid> Seveas,
[05:46] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone know of any good audio codeces?
[05:46] <raptoid> Err cdrom://Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407) hoary/main Packages
[05:46] <raptoid> ?
[05:46] <Dave2> Use a lighter WM than the default GNOME
[05:46] <raptoid> apt-get error
[05:46] <AnselmoLacerda> Dave2, thanks
[05:46] <Seveas> MonkeyBonkey, something's wrong in your menu.lst
[05:46] <Dave2> I'm currently using a 900MHz machine with 128MB RAM, I know that's 3* the speed, but the same RAM
[05:46] <xhaker> seveas maybe it isn't even there
[05:46] <Seveas> refuze2looze, because she downloaded the .bin already
[05:46] <annereed_nwm> done
[05:46] <vardhan> I'm looking for a window-manager for kid .. It should display big icons and nothing else.
[05:47] <pacpac> vardhan, xfce ?
[05:47] <pacpac> or try idesk
[05:47] <Seveas> annereed_nwm, you did the wrong command
[05:47] <pacpac> with fluxbox
[05:47] <Seveas> anner_nwm, ok, let's try to find the plugin: type this in the terminal: find  /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/  -name  *libjavaplugin*
[05:47] <annereed_nwm> oh/..
[05:48] <vardhan> pacpac: i want something that'll have least chances of clicking at the wrong place
[05:48] <pacpac> idesk
[05:48] <MonkeyBonkey> eh im confused
[05:48] <pacpac> with fluxbox
[05:48] <raptoid> pacpac, lan sorsana bi bende linux-image-2.6.10.5 386 bu var bende zaten neden update den gene yukluyo
[05:48] <raptoid> bi sor bakem
[05:48] <MonkeyBonkey> ill just reinstall Grub
[05:48] <raptoid> pacpac, pacpac pacpac
[05:48] <xhaker> MonkeyBonkey do that
[05:48] <Seveas> raptoid, please stick to english
[05:49] <Seveas> MonkeyBonkey, are you on linux-k7 and did you upgrade the kernel today?
[05:49] <Seveas> damn, too late
[05:49] <pacpac> he asks me to ask
[05:49] <Echylo> how to mount a (dvd) iso again?
[05:49] <pacpac> why ubuntu updates linux-image-2.6.10.5 even if he has got it
[05:49] <Seveas> Echylo, mount /path/to/iso /path/to/mountpoint -o loop
[05:49] <Echylo> thanks mate :)
[05:49] <Seveas> pacpac, because there has been a security update
[05:50] <pacpac> thx
[05:51] <annereed_nwm> what part did i type wrong? it says the same thing?
[05:51] <annereed_nwm> i sent it to pastebin
[05:52] <Seveas> annereed_nwm, ah, i see it now, there has been a slight mixup in the system
[05:52] <annereed_nwm> huh?
[05:52] <yahalom> xfcewhen i try to mount my cdrom it says special device /dev/hda not found
[05:52] <yahalom>  my hard disk is hdc (therefore slave) and i think my cdrom is hdb, possible?
[05:52] <Seveas> annereed_nwm, please type: ls -al /usr/lib/j2*
[05:52] <forester> How do I stop apache? Is there a convention for stopping services -or- do we stop everything with its own tools?
[05:52] <pacpac> forester, killall httpd
[05:52] <Seveas> annereed_nwm, somehow the plugin got installed in the wrong place, i am trying to find it
[05:52] <pacpac> ;)
[05:52] <forester> pacpac: nah
[05:53] <Hackmo|sleep> Hey, anyone know how to turn on surround sound support un Ubuntu?
[05:53] <beginner> hello
[05:53] <annereed_nwm> pasted it...
[05:53] <annereed_nwm> any luck...
[05:53] <yahalom> anybody?
[05:53] <yahalom> i need this system to be read in an hour for a customer
[05:54] <Seveas> annereed_nwm, i don't see it on the pastebin
[05:54] <annereed_nwm> hang on a sec--i wil l do it again...
[05:54] <rayen> hi, where is the Gnome, Ubuntu wallpaper located (path)?
[05:55] <Ali_Baba> yahalom: check device manager,there you can se where your cd-rom is.
[05:55] <topyli> forester: /etc/init.d/apache stop
[05:55] <yahalom> Ali_Baba, i'm not using gnome.
[05:55] <annereed_nwm> done
[05:56] <Ali_Baba> yahalom: try the find same kind of program from kde,i guess.
[05:56] <yahalom> Ali_Baba, xfce
[05:56] <Seveas> annereed_nwm, do you still have the root terminal open?
[05:56] <beginner> how is posible i am  sudo apt-get install dc-0.3.7.tar.gz.FILES
[05:56] <Ali_Baba> sorry,that :)
[05:56] <annereed_nwm> yep
[05:56] <yahalom> Ali_Baba, the whole point is though that my ubuntu see /dev/hda as my cd rom
[05:56] <annereed_nwm> nope...
[05:56] <yahalom> which it isnt
[05:56] <annereed_nwm> now id o
[05:57] <beginner> and it sais E: Couldn't find package dc-0.3.7.tar.gz.FILES
[05:57] <beginner>  and the package is on desktop?
[05:57] <Seveas> ok, type this in the root terminal:  ln  -s /usr/lib/j2*  /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/
[05:57] <Ali_Baba> hmm.
[05:57] <topyli> beginner: that's not a package
[05:57] <beginner> ?
[05:58] <beginner> same to sudo apt-get install dc-0.3.7.tar.gz
[05:58] <Ali_Baba> mine is /dev/hdd have you tried that.
[05:58] <topyli> beginner: that seems like you have extracted a gzipped tarball
[05:58] <beginner> ?
[05:58] <beginner> so what do i have to do?
[05:58] <yahalom> Ali_Baba, then mine has to be /dev/hdb
[05:58] <raptoid> Seveas,
[05:58] <raptoid> Reading package lists... Done
[05:58] <raptoid> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:58] <raptoid> The following packages have been kept back:
[05:58] <raptoid>   libxvidcore4 mplayer-386
[05:58] <raptoid> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[05:58] <raptoid> ?
[05:59] <Seveas> raptoid, please do NOT paste in here
[05:59] <beginner> topyli what do i have to do?
[05:59] <Seveas> raptoid, and do not use marillat
[05:59] <topyli> beginner: i would try to find a debian package of this dc thing you want
[05:59] <joel> Hello everyone
[05:59] <annereed_nwm> still nada....
[05:59] <beginner> i have eame pb too
[05:59] <Ali_Baba> maybe.
[05:59] <beginner> with deb
[05:59] <annereed_nwm> pasted it...
[05:59] <Seveas> annereed_nwm, what did that command say?
[06:00] <Seveas> ah :)
[06:00] <annereed_nwm> no such  file...] 
[06:00] <phend> anyone know if ubuntu going to use splashy or it's own implementation?
[06:00] <annereed_nwm> do you have any hair left? hehehe
[06:00] <Seveas> annereed_nwm, you made some typos
[06:00] <Seveas> ok, type this in the root terminal:  ln  -s /usr/lib/j2*  /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun
[06:00] <beginner> topyli E: Couldn't find package valknut_0.3.7-0quickpackage_i386.deb
[06:00] <annereed_nwm> sh
[06:00] <Seveas> its 1.5 as in one point five
[06:00] <annereed_nwm> it
[06:01] <annereed_nwm> re1.5--no6t rel.5>
[06:01] <Seveas> indeed
[06:01] <beginner> topily
[06:01] <beginner> same
[06:01] <annereed_nwm> should have know that huh? i am almost brain dead...i will try again..
[06:02] <bhna> phend: wich version of ubuntu?
[06:02] <phend> bhna, hoary or breezy
[06:03] <Ali_Baba> yahalom: do this cat /proc/ide/hdb/driver if that says ide-cdrom,then its your cdrom.
[06:03] <yahalom> Ali_Baba, thanx
[06:03] <topyli> beginner: there is no valknut package. try dcgui-qt
[06:04] <Ali_Baba> try all hd versions on /proc/ide/ folder.
[06:04] <phend> it'd be ace to have a splash screen like suse9,3 - animated an all :)
[06:04] <Seveas> topyli, he wants that specific version
[06:04] <beginner> i had it before
[06:04] <topyli> beginner: on which system?
[06:04] <beginner> dcgui-qt is noy working so good
[06:04] <beginner> on hoary
[06:04] <Ali_Baba> hope this helps you :)
[06:05] <annereed_nwm> pasted...with a 1.5
[06:05] <topyli> beginner: where did you get it then?
[06:05] <bhna> phend: no spashy nor own implementation in hoary, own implematation in breezy
[06:05] <beginner> E: Command line option 'i' [from -i]  is not known.
[06:05] <kisain> whats the command to get the nvidia driver and enable it
[06:06] <Seveas> annereed_nwm, ok then. Now close all browser windows and retry the bank!
[06:06] <foodcoman> Hello
[06:06] <annereed_nwm> k--brb...
[06:06] <foodcoman> Why would the libxvidcore4 for mplayer 386 not update with apt-get?
[06:07] <beginner> topyli from here  http://peppesbodega.nu/turban/index.php?section=images&path=Debian%20Packages/Apps/Valknut
[06:07] <marek_> i'm masochistic :D i'm using breezy for 2 weeks
[06:07] <marek_> it's reaaaaly unstable
[06:07] <Choubaka> You won't for long hence.
[06:07] <Seveas> foodcoman, do not use marillat anymore
[06:07] <phend> bhna, cool ta
[06:07] <Choubaka> since it'll melt down and crash and burn and ...
[06:08] <topyli> beginner: there you go, get those and install
[06:08] <beginner> nielsen E: Command line option 'i' [from -i]  is not known.
[06:08] <Ali_Baba> yahalom: cat /proc/ide/hdb/media should also say its cdrom if it is.
[06:08] <foodcoman> Seveas: hehe, dont know what marillat is!   I will search!   Thanks.
[06:08] <Seveas> foodcoman, ah ok
[06:08] <Seveas> foodcoman, this error is caused by using non-official repositories
[06:09] <foodcoman> Seveas: Gotcha
[06:09] <beginner> i got them but if i sudo dpkg -i valknut*.deb
[06:09] <Ali_Baba> did you found it yahalom?
[06:09] <beginner> it sais:valknut depends on dclib; however:
[06:10] <beginner> witch there is not
[06:10] <foodcoman> Seveas: I used the ubuntu guide.  I must need to remove those first!   I'm following you.
[06:10] <yahalom> Ali_Baba, yeah i think so
[06:10] <Ali_Baba> good :)
[06:10] <foodcoman> Seveas: Thank you Bro!
[06:10] <topyli> beginner: so install the dclib package first
[06:10] <bigfoot> hi all: i have a wierd problem. I can't type stuff in Skype. What's wrong?
[06:10] <beginner> i installed it
[06:11] <bigfoot> I can type in other programs, like in this chat room (xchat), in FX, etc, etc. just in skype, i think.
[06:11] <topyli> beginner: and? does that help?
[06:12] <mez> anyone got any idea why i cant get any sound out of OpenAL
[06:12] <msieradzki> when breezy will be quite usable?
[06:13] <Tritis> msieradzki: I'm using it now without any problems.
[06:13] <msieradzki> yeah i'm too
[06:13] <topyli> beginner: please don't /msg. above all, don't paste to my private windows. remove the conflicting package
[06:13] <msieradzki> but sometimes something fucks up
[06:13] <Tritis> msieradzki: Well, I do have one problem.  Gaim doesn't close tabs anymore with ctrl+W
[06:13] <bigfoot> topyli, what's "private windows"
[06:13] <bigfoot> ?
[06:13] <msieradzki> yeah i have this
[06:14] <msieradzki> Tritis: it's something with gtk or x
[06:14] <topyli> bigfoot: he /queried or /msg'd me and pasted a huge error message
[06:14] <_kevin> I'm unable to view AVi files in ubuntu, i get audio but no video
[06:14] <msieradzki> Tritis: rather gtk
[06:14] <Jen20> Are kernel updates done thru the binary options in Ubuntu Update Manager?
[06:14] <Tritis> Oh, good.   I was worried it was a config problem.  Firefox still closes, just no gaim (which is amazingly annoying.)
[06:14] <msieradzki> Tritis: gnome-terminal does stupid things when you use standard keys
[06:14] <beginner> k
[06:15] <beginner> i am removing
[06:15] <msieradzki> ctrl-shift-t
[06:15] <_kevin> I followed the guide for Multimedia Codecs in ubuntu guide and i got the mpegs to play fine
[06:15] <msieradzki> should open new tab but close all windows of terminal
[06:15] <Tritis> msieradzki: Heh, yeah.  I just tried it out.  Ok, so maybe breezy is buggier than I thought.
[06:15] <msieradzki> i have removed all shortcut for keys from gnome-terminal
[06:16] <msieradzki> it's now safe :)
[06:16] <beginner> topyli Unpacking dclib (from dclib_0.3.7-0quickpackage_i386.deb) ...
[06:16] <beginner> dpkg: error processing dclib_0.3.7-0quickpackage_i386.deb (--install):
[06:16] <beginner>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libdc.so.0.0.1', which is also in package libdc0
[06:16] <beginner> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[06:16] <beginner> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:16] <beginner>  dclib_0.3.7-0quickpackage_i386.deb
[06:16] <msieradzki> i have found 5 major or minor bugs in breezy
[06:16] <msieradzki> quite big number
[06:16] <msieradzki> in hoary i haven't found more than 1
[06:17] <topyli> beginner: so remove lbdc0. btw, this is not a good place to paste those either
[06:17] <Dave2> that's to be expected, considering that it is the development release...
[06:17] <beginner> i removed it
[06:17] <beginner> i dont know why
[06:17] <Tritis> msieradzki: Have you filed any bug reports?  I haven't even tried yet.
[06:17] <daniels> ok, you know how it says 'PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY'?
[06:18] <anner_nwm> seveas--you still hanging out?
[06:18] <daniels> i seriously didn't put that there just for kicks, and it wasn't accidentally in caps
[06:18] <topyli> beginner: try 'sudo apt-get remove --purge libdc0'
[06:18] <msieradzki> Tritis: one
[06:18] <Tritis> daniels: I know, I wanted to use beagle so I upgraded to breezy as a shortcut.
[06:18] <msieradzki> Tritis: or maybe two
[06:18] <brandonn> I force installed a package from debian, how can I get apt to stop complaining about unmet dependencies?
[06:18] <RichardC> can someone tell me why glxgears, and other programs, give me this message:
[06:19] <msieradzki> Tritis: one bug has been fixed
[06:19] <RichardC> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:19] <msieradzki> Tritis: util-linux
[06:19] <RichardC> i have the latest ati radeon drivers, from apt-get
[06:19] <Seveas> anner_nwm, yes i am
[06:19] <Seveas> but i'm gonna have dinner now
[06:19] <topyli> brandonn: apt-get -f install
[06:20] <anner_nwm> cool--just wanted to let you know--you are awesome!!! it worked very nicely...thanks to you....
[06:20] <topyli> brandonn: it will probably remove the broken package though
[06:20] <Seveas> anner_nwm, very good to know!
[06:20] <anner_nwm> enjoy your lunch :)
[06:20] <brandonn> topyli: the package isn't broken, it works fine, it's just the depencies didn't match because I got it from debian
[06:20] <RichardC> im using 5.04
[06:20] <Seveas> so we didn't waste our hours
[06:21] <msieradzki> is someone messing with libxine1?
[06:21] <beginner> topyli finaly worked
[06:21] <topyli> brandonn: it's broken in apt's opinion, that's why you had to force it in the first place
[06:21] <beginner> thanks for support
[06:22] <topyli> beginner: great. now get your music and pr0n :)
[06:22] <beginner> i didnt have gcc instaled
[06:23] <_kevin> how do i find out if i have alsa
[06:23] <_kevin> because it maybe cause a sound problem with mplayer
[06:23] <topyli> beginner: as long as you find deb packages, you won't need it
[06:24] <brandonn> so apt is always going to complain now basically, I guess the proper way to do it would be to download the source package, and rebuild it?
[06:25] <topyli> brandonn: yeah. you can do it easily with apt
[06:25] <Hackmo|sleep> anyone know how to turn on surround sound support in Ubuntu?
[06:25] <Jormundgand> Ubuntu has started to bore me. How do I keep it interesting?
[06:25] <beginner> ?
[06:25] <Fator_Dee> Jormundgand: b0rg it
[06:25] <Fator_Dee> Jormundgand: then unb0rg it
[06:25] <lotusleaf> Jormundgand, use fluxbox
[06:25] <beginner> topyli dont get it
[06:25] <lotusleaf> Jormundgand, play Enemy Territory
[06:26] <brandonn> topyli: I'd have to add debian to my sources.list to do it with apt wouldn't I?  wouldn't that lead to quite a bit of confusion when I try to install a package?
[06:26] <topyli> beginner: well, gcc is for compiling sources
[06:26] <Jormundgand> Fator_Dee: Would be useful if I knew what you meant by b0rg.
[06:26] <Fator_Dee> Jormundgand: break it
[06:27] <beginner> k
[06:27] <topyli> brandonn: add the debian unstable src repository temporarily
[06:27] <L7> what's the name of the conf. where you change the resolution and so on?
[06:28] <L7> and how do you get there.
[06:28] <brandonn> topyli: thanks, know the necessary apt commands (after adding the repository) off the top of your head?
[06:28] <[R] > hello, how to know if firestarter is launched when Hoary start ?
[06:28] <brandonn> [R] : look for it in /etc/rc2.d I think
[06:28] <beginner> one more thing topyli
[06:28] <beginner> how i put an icon?
[06:29] <beginner> with smeg?
[06:29] <rayen> hi, does ubuntu automatically install my graphic card?
[06:29] <rayen> drivers
[06:29] <beginner> does every package has itself icon?
[06:29] <RichardC> nope
[06:29] <topyli> beginner: dunno
[06:29] <msieradzki> what graphic card do you have?
[06:29] <beginner> k
[06:29] <msieradzki> it uses default drivers for X
[06:30] <topyli> brandonn: apt-get build-depend <package> IIRC
[06:30] <msieradzki> it won't install nvidia's drivers
[06:30] <brandonn> [R] : on my system it's started as S20firestarter in /etc/rc2.d
[06:30] <topyli> brandonn: then apt-get source -b <package>
[06:30] <topyli> IIRC again
[06:30] <brandonn> topyli: thanks
[06:30] <msieradzki> rayen: if you have nvidia's card  just use sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:30] <teknoprep> is there an apt-get for java
[06:30] <msieradzki> no
[06:30] <beginner> found it
[06:31] <beginner> :)
[06:31] <teknoprep> i have multiverse and universe
[06:31] <msieradzki> teknoprep: there is java-package
[06:31] <msieradzki> it's better
[06:31] <msieradzki> ;)
[06:31] <teknoprep> msieradzki, yeah well limewire doesn't like it
[06:31] <teknoprep> msieradzki, keeps saying it can't find /usr/java
[06:31] <brandonn> teknoprep: go to java.com, download the rpm run alien on it and install
[06:31] <[R] > brandonn : i've found a file relative to firestarter in /etc/rc2.d (same name as yours). Does it mean it Firestarter is automaticaly loaded when Hoary starts ? :)
[06:31] <Fator_Dee> quick not-so-on-topic-question, in a battery, is black wire usually - or is it the red wire?
[06:31] <msieradzki> as i remember java-package had been doing good packages for java
[06:31] <msieradzki> i used netbeans.org on it
[06:32] <msieradzki> rpm as i remember is the same as normal package from sun
[06:33] <brandonn> [R] : yes
[06:33] <beginner> how i delete an icon from smeg?
[06:33] <[R] > brandonn : cool, now i just have to find a good tuto to set rules :)
[06:33] <_kevin> is it possible to play wmv files in ubuntu
[06:34] <teknoprep> _kevin, apt-get intall win32codec i believe
[06:34] <msieradzki> _kevin: and apt-get install totem-xine
[06:34] <Choubaka> w32codecs
[06:34] <teknoprep> w32codecs
[06:34] <msieradzki> or maybe only w32codecs
[06:34] <msieradzki> default is totem-gstreamer?
[06:35] <beginner> topyli now how i delete an icon from smeg?
[06:35] <msieradzki> it can use w32codecs by itself , without libxine?
[06:35] <Brik> i have a problem with mplayer, i have an error...." Too many video packets in the buffer" ...
[06:36] <_kevin> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[06:36] <_kevin> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[06:36] <brandonn> _kevin: sudo apt-get ....
[06:36] <msieradzki> sudo kevin
[06:36] <_kevin> ok
[06:36] <msieradzki> how to build package?
[06:36] <brandonn> teknoprep: what repository are those in, I couldn't find them
[06:36] <_kevin> ok working now
[06:36] <_kevin> thanks
[06:36] <msieradzki> apt-get -b source something? i want to change something in this package before building
[06:36] <_kevin> after wards i need to apt-get install totem-xine
[06:37] <teknoprep> are what in
[06:37] <eruin> msieradzki: then drop the -b
[06:37] <msieradzki> and?
[06:37] <msieradzki> what after apt-get source
[06:37] <eruin> from there I'm not so sure.. it should be on the wiki somewhere ;)
[06:37] <Sufrounpelin> hi
[06:37] <msieradzki> change extracted package
[06:38] <eruin> apt-get source drops a source tarball in your current dir
[06:38] <msieradzki> i know
[06:38] <topyli> beginner: i don't know how smeg works
[06:38] <beginner> k
[06:38] <msieradzki> but i don't know what after this
[06:38] <RichardC> is the package xorg-fglrx-driver the correct drivers for my ati radeon 9600?
[06:38] <_kevin> i have some prob with Mplayer also, seems like it doesn't want to work with sound enabled
[06:39] <runelind> blah, I keep getting errors with apt-get upgrade
[06:39] <_kevin> someone said it's because i'm alsa
[06:39] <runelind> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:39] <runelind>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[06:39] <runelind> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:39] <runelind> which tells me nothing :P
[06:39] <msieradzki> i have ali1541 chipset so i need to change one variable in nvidia's driver before using this
[06:39] <Sufrounpelin> anyone with ibook g4 and ubuntu here?
[06:39] <msieradzki> runelind: something more?
[06:40] <teknoprep> why not just run OS X on a g4
[06:40] <msieradzki> some error
[06:40] <L7> Can anyone help me to change my resolution?! I know i need to get into some config-file
[06:40] <runelind> msieradzki: that's all it says
[06:40] <msieradzki> it sucks...
[06:40] <eruin> teknoprep: because breezy is likely to outsmart osX :)
[06:40] <teknoprep> eruin, yeah ok lol
[06:40] <Sufrounpelin> why not run os x AND ubuntu on a g4? xD
[06:40] <teknoprep> eruin, os x owns you
[06:40] <eruin> osX is annoying me, and I can't wait to replace it with breezy :)
[06:41] <Riddell> runelind: do you have hoary-updates?
[06:41] <Quest-Master> OS X is better than Windows, but not Ubuntu
[06:41] <teknoprep> OS X is the best os ever made
[06:41] <teknoprep> ubuntu has alot of problems ..
[06:41] <eruin> I'd say it's better than hoary, but if breezy delivers, ubuntu wins the fight
[06:41] <teknoprep> like what runelind is having
[06:41] <runelind> Riddell: I'm not sure
[06:41] <Sufrounpelin> anyway, i want sources.list
[06:42] <_kevin> why would you come into ubuntu's channel just to trash ubuntu
[06:42] <teknoprep> becuase over all its a good distro
[06:42] <Biff> breezy wont be stable for a while tho
[06:42] <eruin> Biff: that sure isn't keeping me from using it ;)
[06:42] <firepol> hello, im chatting from my just-installed ubuntu. ubuntu rulez!
[06:42] <dataw0lf|w> OS X? heh
[06:42] <Sufrounpelin> me too!
[06:42] <slashzul> anyone know why cdrecord doesnt work with ubuntu 5.04 hoary?
[06:42] <Sufrounpelin> but i want to install mplayer, and i dont know how!
[06:42] <brandonn> msieradzki: check out KubuntuPackagingGuide in the wiki, it talks about how to build packages
[06:42] <Biff> eruin: brave
[06:42] <dataw0lf|w> Yeah, Apple is going to keep on raping the open source world if you keep on plugging it like that.  They're worse than Microsoft.
[06:42] <Biff> ;p
[06:43] <Choubaka> Honestly speaking I might prefer OS X to Ubuntu.
[06:43] <eruin> Biff: it hasn't failed me yet ;-)
[06:43] <firepol> before, on this computer i had debian. i noticed that ubuntu is much faster!
[06:43] <runelind> Riddell: how do I check?
[06:43] <Choubaka> Then again I might not. :|
[06:43] <firepol> is gnome fastrer than kde?
[06:43] <ivoks> firepol: it's compiled for pentium
[06:43] <Quest-Master> firepol: Depends
[06:43] <Biff> i used to run debian sid, didnt fail me either, still brave tho :p
[06:43] <slashzul> anyone know why cdrecord doesnt work with ubuntu 5.04 hoary?
[06:43] <eruin> ivoks: it's compiled for i486
[06:43] <ivoks> debian is compiled for 386
[06:43] <_kevin> ok i followed those two steps in installin the w32codecs and totem-xine but i don't see totem-xine in my media player list, how would i access this player?
[06:43] <ivoks> eruin: ah, true
[06:43] <firepol> i have an old AMD Thunderbird 1400 mhz. im very satisfied, really
[06:43] <_kevin> same
[06:43] <_kevin> i have the Thunderbird
[06:44] <_kevin> 1.4 ghz
[06:44] <Choubaka> ivoks: as far as I know that is not true :/
[06:44] <Amaranth> _kevin: it's just the totem player
[06:44] <_kevin> ohh ok
[06:44] <ivoks> Choubaka: what's not true?
[06:44] <firepol> i have a crappy vga card, im curious to see mplayer in action. ill install it right now
[06:44] <Choubaka> that debian is compiled for 386
[06:44] <_kevin> also is there a AVI codec/ DIVX codec for totem
[06:44] <firepol> and ill keep gnome, coz with gnome im satisfied, even if before i was using kde
[06:44] <Amaranth> _kevin: totem-xine and totem-gstreamer are both totem, just using different player backends
[06:44] <Choubaka> it'll work on 386, but it's not optimised for it.
[06:44] <ivoks> Choubaka: that's true
[06:44] <Amaranth> _kevin: You mean xine in this case, you should already have it.
[06:44] <ivoks> Choubaka: that depends on libc and kernel
[06:45] <ivoks> Choubaka: there are -686 versions
[06:45] <_kevin> ohh ok
[06:45] <ivoks> Choubaka: but most of apps are builed for 386... it's not big difference
[06:45] <theD3viL> What dist-upgrade upgrade?
[06:45] <Shinjan> hi folks
[06:46] <Seveas> ivoks, they're built for 486 with P4 optimiztions turned on
[06:46] <Choubaka> theD3viL: the distro.
[06:46] <ivoks> Seveas: debian?!
[06:46] <L7> How do i change my resolution in UBUNTU?! please help me! (in config not system>resolution)
[06:46] <Seveas> ivoks, ah sorry
[06:46] <theD3viL> Choubaka, so i "must" upgrade?
[06:46] <toxicfume> hi all
[06:46] <firepol> is open office 2 BETA available for ubuntu?
[06:46] <Choubaka> theD3viL: "must"?
[06:46] <Seveas> firepol, yes
[06:46] <Brik> how can i see files wmv without video error of output
[06:46] <toxicfume> i'm back with my plethora of ubuntu problems on my laptop(if anyone remembers from yesterday)
[06:46] <ivoks> :)
[06:47] <Seveas> in hoary universe
[06:47] <eruin> Brik: totem-xine
[06:47] <Seveas> wb toxicfume :)
[06:47] <theD3viL> Choubaka, is it better if u upgrade (more security, more stable?)
[06:47] <firepol> Seveas, how to install it? coz i see i have 1.1 installed by default now
[06:47] <toxicfume> Seveas: thanks :)
[06:47] <Choubaka> theD3viL: just use apt-get upgrade
[06:47] <Seveas> firepol, search for 1.9.x in synaptic
[06:47] <ivoks> apt-get install openoffice.org2
[06:47] <Choubaka> theD3viL: you only need dist-upgrade when moving from hoary to breezy
[06:47] <teknoprep> i just manually intalled java.. which works perfectly
[06:48] <Choubaka> Why did you install it manually? :D
[06:48] <ivoks> or something :)
[06:48] <Seveas> Choubaka, not entirely true
[06:48] <theD3viL> Choubaka, aha.. but.. if i do upgrade, is it more stable or less?
[06:48] <Choubaka> well, not entirely.
[06:48] <Brik> eruin: ii can see little wmv with Mplayer...the big files no...
[06:48] <ivoks> don't upgrade to breezy! :)
[06:48] <firepol> Seveas: if i search 1.9 i find nothing
[06:48] <Choubaka> theD3viL: well, unless you're upgrading to breezy, it will be stablee.
[06:48] <eruin> Brik: try w32codecs and totem-xine
[06:48] <Choubaka> stabler*
[06:48] <Seveas> dist-upgrade is needed if upgrade would cause packages to be removed or extra packages to be installed
[06:49] <ivoks> firepol: apt-get install openoffice.org2
[06:49] <eruin> Brik: for w32codecs, check the wiki under Restricted_Formats
[06:49] <firepol> should i modify the apt.sources file?
[06:49] <Seveas> firepol, then search for openoffice.org2
[06:49] <theD3viL> And where are this (default (k)ubuntu) theme are saved??
[06:49] <firepol> coz in the actual lsit i dont see the 1.9 version...
[06:50] <dieffel> hi! anyone with problems instaling mplayer under ubuntu5.04 ???
[06:50] <runelind> nope
[06:50] <runelind> works for me
[06:50] <teknoprep> Choubaka, becuase it worked
[06:50] <teknoprep> Choubaka, not like java-package
[06:50] <rayen> dieffel, yes with the mplayer-586, i couldn't get it installed
[06:50] <firepol> im i right when i say that in synaptic lots of packes are missing? i didnt find mplayer in synaptic...
[06:50] <theD3viL> Choubaka, where are this (default (k)ubuntu) theme are saved??
[06:50] <Choubaka> java-package always worked for me
[06:51] <teknoprep> Choubaka, i just created a /usr/java dir as root.. decompressed the java contents from www.java.com and copied them to /usr/java
[06:51] <Choubaka> theD3viL: huh?
[06:51] <teknoprep> Choubaka, done
[06:51] <rayen> dieffel,  but i fixed it by grabbing the ubuntu version
[06:51] <Choubaka> teknoprep: not clean.
[06:51] <Choubaka> and you shoul've installed it in /usr/local/ :|
[06:51] <teknoprep> Choubaka, blow me its not clean... how is it not clea
[06:51] <teknoprep> Choubaka, the program was asking me for it to be installed in /usr/java
[06:51] <dieffel> rayen, what is the ubuntu version called... when im using ap-get command?
[06:51] <Choubaka> teknoprep: only debian packages should go directly under /usr/
[06:51] <ivoks> firepol: you didn't enable universe and multiverse sources
[06:52] <Seveas> teknoprep, the .bin installer installs files into /usr/share tooo
[06:52] <firepol> ivoks: should i enable them, how to do it?
[06:52] <theD3viL> Choubaka, this theme, start menu pic (KDE) ... plastik theme........
[06:52] <ivoks> firepol: yes edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:52] <Choubaka> I don't  know.
[06:52] <Choubaka> I don't use KDE
[06:52] <Choubaka> nor Gnome.
[06:52] <theD3viL> aha.....
[06:52] <ivoks> firepol: wherevere you see main, append universe to it... same as multiverse
[06:52] <teknoprep> fluxbox? xfce4
[06:53] <teknoprep> Choubaka, what you use
[06:53] <teknoprep> or you a console nut
[06:53] <firepol> is universe the "unstable" release?
[06:53] <teknoprep> i only use  non X boxes on servers
[06:53] <Choubaka> xfce4
[06:53] <rayen> dieffel, i thought it was ubuntu-custom but i'm not sure
[06:53] <Choubaka> firepol: kind of.
[06:53] <ivoks> firepol: sometnig like this: deb http://hr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main universe mutliverse restricted
[06:53] <teknoprep> does the apt-get for xfce4 work for ubuntu
[06:53] <ivoks> firepol: no
[06:53] <mirak> hello
[06:53] <fdr> Hello... I was wondering: is there a way to have the desktop background every X minutes? I guess it would look kinda neat. :-)  Thank you in advance!
[06:54] <Choubaka> but only if you acually install packages from universe.
[06:54] <rayen> dieffel, yes it was mplayer-custom :)
[06:54] <mirak> is there a way to make xawdecode to work ?
[06:54] <mirak> by compiling, whatever
[06:54] <Choubaka> there are no packages in universe which overwrite package in main though.
[06:54] <xhaker> why does ubuntu install keeps telling me it can't find the right kernel when i try to install using the server boot switch?
[06:54] <Brik> eruin: TOTEM-xine don't work...say me that the file is cifrated...
[06:54] <teknoprep> Choubaka, so what you telling me
[06:54] <firepol> shoul di mark universe and multiverse also for the bugfixes lines in sources.list?
[06:54] <Brik> and exit with error
[06:54] <slashzul> anyone know why cdrecord doesnt work with ubuntu 5.04 hoary?
[06:54] <Choubaka> teknoprep: hmm?
[06:54] <slashzul> should work right out of the box!
[06:54] <dieffel> rayen, and i can find mplayer-custom in synaptics???
[06:54] <ivoks> firepol: yes
[06:55] <teknoprep> Choubaka, what i need to do to install xfce4 onto ubuntu
[06:55] <teknoprep> Choubaka, i like xfce4 but kde is great too
[06:55] <Choubaka> universe.
[06:55] <teknoprep> Choubaka, i have that addded
[06:55] <Choubaka> then sudo apt-get install xfce4
[06:55] <teknoprep> Choubaka, are you telling me i need to get rid of main
[06:55] <teknoprep> Choubaka, that is my question
[06:56] <rayen> dieffel, i think so
[06:56] <teknoprep> oh willl xfce4 conflict in ANY way with my kde install
[06:56] <Choubaka> teknoprep: no, not!
[06:56] <Choubaka> universe only has more packages.
[06:56] <teknoprep> Choubaka, thats why i asked.. i was mis reading what you were saying earlier
[06:56] <rayen> dieffel, oh, i have added some extra sites with ubuntuguide.org
[06:56] <Choubaka> it will not conflict with main
[06:56] <firepol> ivoks: i get a problem now when i open synaptic: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists
[06:56] <teknoprep> Choubaka, yeah i have all that setup already
[06:56] <L7> How do i change my resolution in UBUNTU?! please help me! (in config not system>resolution)
[06:56] <teknoprep> L7, you have to have the resolutions in your xorg.conf first
[06:57] <teknoprep> L7, that you want to be able to change to
[06:57] <ivoks> firepol: update
[06:57] <slashzul> any recommendations on cdwriter software?
[06:57] <dieffel> rayen, which one have you added?
[06:57] <teknoprep> L7, there area a few programs that can doit for you in X
[06:57] <firepol> ivoks: ok, i clicked ok and i clicked reload... its now downloading all the new list
[06:57] <Seveas> firepol, do a sudo apt-get update or hit reload in synaptic
[06:57] <L7> teknoprep, name a good one? :)
[06:57] <Seveas> damn, too late :)
[06:58] <roben> #flood
[06:58] <roben> buh
[06:58] <teknoprep> krotate i think can doit
[06:58] <L7> roben, /j ;)
[06:58] <teknoprep> but you need to have your resolutions in your xorg.conf firest
[06:58] <L7> teknoprep, how do i get into xorg.conf?
[06:58] <rayen> dieffel, all of them
[06:59] <msieradzki> vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:59] <L7> thx
[06:59] <msieradzki> or maybe mcedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:59] <msieradzki> sudo will be needed
[06:59] <L7> aah
[06:59] <msieradzki> so sudo vi ...
[06:59] <Seveas> msieradzki, don't advice newbies to use vi please, let them use nano
[06:59] <firepol> ivoks: i did it, thx, now the list has became a real list ;) ill try to install some nice stuff and have fun, thank you
[06:59] <L7> Seveas, should i use nano?
[07:00] <msieradzki> Seveas: but i don't know how to use nano :)
[07:00] <msieradzki> maybe
[07:00] <roben> Is Ubuntu optimized for AMD64 ?
[07:00] <ivoks> np
[07:00] <Seveas> msieradzki, ctrl+x = exit, ctrl+o=save
[07:00] <Seveas> you don't need to know more :)
[07:00] <L7> i did this shejt yesterday but i don't remember what i used ;o
[07:00] <Seveas> roben, the amd64 version is...
[07:00] <dieffel> rayen, ok
[07:00] <roben> Seveas ok. Thx.
[07:02] <ivoks> time to go...
[07:02] <L7> msieradzki, where in the xorg.conf should i write the resolution i want?
[07:02] <ivoks> bye
[07:02] <wdh> msieradzki, nano is quite simple
[07:02] <L7> or where under screen i mean.
[07:02] <wdh> msieradzki, even for newbies
[07:03] <msieradzki> nano/vi/emacs it's really good for a flame :D
[07:03] <wdh> msieradzki, that cant be said for vi, in which one has to know certain shortcuts to even get out of it
[07:03] <firepol> i just installed gxine, but it doesnt show in the menu...
[07:03] <webmind> msieradzki, no.. kword!
[07:03] <webmind> ;)
[07:03] <wdh> msieradzki, :P
[07:03] <msieradzki> hehe
[07:03] <Seveas> msieradzki, indeed
[07:03] <wdh> Seveas, even for total newbies?
[07:04] <Seveas> wdh, no
[07:04] <msieradzki> you just need to run vim tutor
[07:04] <Seveas> for newbiews i am on the nano/mc-edit side
[07:04] <wdh> Seveas, thats what i thought :)
[07:04] <msieradzki> even for them
[07:04] <msieradzki> just need to read vim tutor
[07:04] <msieradzki> it's 30 min
[07:04] <Seveas> msieradzki, running vimtutor to prepare for a simple change in one file?
[07:04] <wdh> msieradzki, 30 minutes to change one line of a config file?
[07:05] <wdh> msieradzki, you have got to be kidding
[07:05] <msieradzki> yeah :D
[07:05] <msieradzki> you do this only once
[07:05] <Seveas> wdh, it just took me 2 hours to get someone to install java properly ;)
[07:05] <msieradzki> in your life :)
[07:05] <Choubaka> I don't like how vim handles things.
[07:05] <Choubaka> but I'm jsut a noob at it, so...
[07:06] <Seveas> Choubaka, run vimtutor :)
[07:06] <Jormundgand> How do I burn a CD image with Nautilus?
[07:06] <jake> hello
[07:06] <Choubaka> Seveas: It's annoying when I'm in insert mode and start tapping the arrow keys. :P
[07:06] <jake> anyone there???
[07:06] <albino> What packages are necessary to be able to spellcheck in openoffice?
[07:06] <deviant> hello guys
[07:06] <Choubaka> I get more lines with A and D an C and whatever.
[07:06] <L7> Is anyone good at tv-out for nvidia?
[07:07] <Dalkus> albino, that should come as standard, check in your settings? :)
[07:07] <Seveas> Choubaka, use vim
[07:07] <Seveas> and set it up correctly
[07:07] <ghita> hello
[07:07] <Seveas> than you can use arrow keys in insert mode
[07:07] <ghita> how can i play ogg radio?
[07:07] <deviant> is there any program which can control my fans speed ?
[07:07] <jake> Anyone interested in helping me a bit? I'm new to Ubuntu and I need some help.
[07:07] <Choubaka> Seveas: yeah, it works on my Linux box
[07:07] <Seveas> jake, just state your problem please
[07:08] <Dalkus> ghita, xmms
[07:08] <Anubis> how does one get more "components" for Helixplayer and real?
[07:08] <Anubis> I odn't see the section on their page?
[07:08] <Choubaka> but my FreeBSD box apparently has some problems :/
[07:08] <Seveas> Dalkus/ghita use beep-media-player instead of xmms, it's a gtk2 port of xmms and thus better looking :)
[07:09] <ghita> yes but it doesen't work
[07:09] <jake> OK. I tried to update my ubuntu (apt-get update & upgrade) bu my Mozilla is only 1.0.2 instead of the new 1.0.4. What can I do????
[07:09] <ghita> i tried XMMS/rythmbox
[07:09] <msieradzki> L7: nvidia-settings is for this
[07:09] <ghita> totem
[07:09] <ghita> etc.
[07:09] <Seveas> jake, relax :)
[07:09] <mirak> there is still no way to mount an iso as a user ?
[07:09] <ghita> and no luck
[07:09] <Dalkus> Seveas, checking it out :)
[07:09] <Seveas> it has all 1.0.4 security patches applied
[07:09] <Seveas> so it is 1.0.4 in disguise
[07:09] <deviant> jake: compile it urself :)
[07:09] <L7> msieradzki, what do you mean?
[07:09] <jake> how can I do that
[07:09] <Seveas> deviant, not needed
[07:09] <deviant> is there any program which can control my fans speed ?
[07:10] <msieradzki> package nvidia-settings have file nvidia-settings
[07:10] <ghita> this is the link http://live.kissfm.ro/live-high.ro.m3u
[07:10] <msieradzki> use this if you have installed nvidia-glx
[07:10] <Seveas> jake, you do not need to compile it yourself
[07:10] <msieradzki> and enabled it
[07:10] <Anubis> why can't helix play realmeadia?!? wtf?
[07:10] <jake> I'm a bit confused...
[07:10] <anto9us> deviant: as I understand it, it depends on your system
[07:10] <Anubis> I can't watch CSPAN with Helix
[07:10] <Anubis> it says components missing
[07:11] <Anubis> synaptic also can't pull down the realplayer installer
[07:11] <deviant> anto9us: i have a Gigabyte 7N400-L mobo, with a Titan CU5TB as a cooler
[07:11] <Anubis> jesus
[07:11] <msieradzki> L7: if nvidia settings wouldn't be good read README from drivers
[07:11] <Seveas> jake, even though firefox in ubuntu is called 1.0.2, it is equivalent to 1.0.4 since all security patches from 1.0.3 and 1.0.4 are applied
[07:11] <msieradzki> L7: there is sample configure file showing how to use tv-out
[07:12] <jake> Oh.
[07:12] <Anubis> I would find all the broken shit
[07:12] <anto9us> deviant: I recommend you search linux google and see if anyone has made a tool although I would doubt it for a desktop machine
[07:12] <Dalkus> er
[07:12] <Dalkus> why does beep-media-player only run for me as root?
[07:12] <Dalkus> (after using apt-get to install it)
[07:13] <Seveas> Dalkus, are you using esd?
[07:13] <Dalkus> yeah
[07:13] <Seveas> or have you disabled it
[07:13] <Seveas> ok, you need to change ~/.bmp/config
[07:13] <Dalkus> ok, thanks
[07:13] <deviant> anto9us: i did, didn`t come up with nothing usefull :(
[07:13] <firepol> somebody uses gaim? how to remove the automatic spell check?
[07:14] <anto9us> deviant: I'm not surprised really, sorry mate
[07:14] <theD3viL> Can i run skype with something different than OSS?!
[07:14] <Seveas> Dalkus, output_plugin=/usr/lib/bmp/Output/libesdout.so
[07:14] <brandonn> firepol, it's a plugin I believe
[07:14] <Seveas> make sure you have that one
[07:14] <ozamosi> using breezy, how di i get X to work?
[07:14] <deviant> anto9us: ok. 10x fot the help anyway
[07:14] <Choubaka> ozamosi: By not using breezy,
[07:14] <Seveas> ozamosi, read the topic
[07:14] <\sh> ozamosi: change the fontpaths
[07:14] <\sh> ozamosi: and the easy way: /read topic ;)(
[07:15] <firepol> brandonn: no, i cant find it in the plugins lsit, and the red underlining is annoying, but i cant find how to remove it
[07:15] <Dalkus> Seveas, I have no .bmp/config file
[07:15] <ozamosi> well, cant see yhe whole topic in irssi...
[07:15] <Seveas> Dalkus, then run it at least once as yourself
[07:16] <Hackmo|sleep> cya all later
[07:16] <brandonn> firepol: it's under interface..conversations..message text
[07:16] <ozamosi> i cant spell today...
[07:16] <gorthaug> hi
[07:16] <Dalkus> Still no config
[07:16] <Seveas> Dalkus, hmm..
[07:16] <linukso> deviant: try searching for "linux i2c hardware sensor"
[07:17] <Dalkus> though it runs as the user now, but dosn't play anything
[07:17] <Seveas> Dalkus, it hangs when trying to play, right?
[07:17] <Dalkus> yeah
[07:17] <Seveas> that's due to a bad output_plugin setting
[07:17] <deviant> linukso: what is i2c?
[07:17] <Seveas> and it's set in /home/$you/.bmp/config
[07:17] <gorthaug> i've a problem.. i've my system in spanish and i'm using gnome, somethime nautilus chage the language to english
[07:17] <Dalkus> ah, got it to create a config file now
[07:18] <linukso> deviant: its a two-wire bus. (used for sensors on many motherboards)
[07:18] <linukso> deviant: an a lot of other things...
[07:19] <anto9us> gorthaug: you may find others who've encountered that problem in #ubuntu-es
[07:19] <Dalkus> Seveas, got it going, thanks
[07:19] <deviant> linukso: oh, ok. 10x
[07:19] <linukso> deviant: you might want to look at lm-sensors too!
[07:19] <gorthaug> yes i'know #ubuntu-es but nobody have a solution for my problem
[07:20] <firepol> brandonn, thank u
[07:20] <deviant> linukso: i will .
[07:20] <brandonn> firepol: no problem
[07:20] <teknoprep> l
[07:20] <firepol> do u know if there is a msn client for linxu that supports the custom smileys like msn7 ?
[07:20] <Seveas> Dalkus, http://kaarsemaker.net/~dennis/4Humans.tgz
[07:20] <Seveas> Dalkus, drop that in ~/.bmp/Skins for a nice skin :)
[07:20] <teknoprep> lol
[07:21] <gorthaug> firepol: Mercury
[07:21] <Dalkus> why not :P
[07:21] <gorthaug> www.mercury.to
[07:21] <gorthaug> it's a msn client make in java
[07:22] <linukso> firepol: think amsn has got stuff that kids like.... ;)
[07:22] <anto9us> firepol: amsn is another option too
[07:22] <Dalkus> I think amsn does too
[07:22] <linukso> firepol: but gaim also got support for custom smileys, just not the flashing animated ones....
[07:22] <Kernel_Panic> gorthaug, hehe look nice thx I will test it:)
[07:23] <eruin> what's the cdrecord command to burn a simple iso at max speed? ;)
[07:23] <firepol> well i dont really need the custom smileys, but SOMETIMES its really funny to use them jsut to have some laugh
[07:23] <teknoprep> firepol, i am trying crossoffice to see if i can actually install MSN Messenger 7 onto linux.. using internet explorer
[07:23] <firepol> i didnt know amsn updated the support for custom smileys to be compatible with msn7
[07:24] <firepol> teknoprep: inernet explorer is crap ;)
[07:24] <eruin> linukso: not the kind you've got in msn - ie displaying others custom smilies
[07:24] <teknoprep> firepol, yup
[07:24] <eruin> firepol: they did
[07:24] <eruin> a long time ago
[07:24] <teknoprep> firepol, but i you want the easy way to install stuff that runs only on windows on linux.. then use internet explorer in cxoffice
[07:24] <eruin> but it's still butt ugly ;)
[07:24] <firepol> teknoprep, anyway if u r a webdeveloper u may need IE for testing purposes ;)
[07:24] <Wanted> hello all
[07:25] <Wanted> newbe here
[07:25] <teknoprep> firepol, i work for a ISP that also does web hosting / web development / e commerce
[07:25] <teknoprep> but i don't do that webdeveloping
[07:25] <firepol> teknoprep, i see ;)
[07:25] <teknoprep> i do all the security and networking and server configurations
[07:26] <anto9us> I develop web based applications and insist all my users download firefox, IE just gets bounced
[07:26] <teknoprep> firepol, so far so good
[07:26] <Wanted> Im going to install Ubuntu and wondering if i makes a bootmenu if you already have en OS on the HD
[07:26] <danko123456> yes
[07:26] <teknoprep> lol
[07:27] <teknoprep> i actually installed msn messenger 7 onto linux
[07:27] <Wanted> teknoprep isnt e commerce free
[07:27] <danko123456> Wanted: you have to choose which partition to install to during the install tho.
[07:27] <teknoprep> Wanted, what?
[07:28] <danko123456> exactly.
[07:28] <L7> Anyone know why my sound in VLC and other video-players don't work?
[07:28] <teknoprep> Wanted, e-commerce is when you sell shit online.. and stuff like that
[07:28] <Seveas> L7, because you need to tell vlc to use esd?
[07:28] <cowbud> now I can understand shit breaking but gvim:  GUI cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time that just ROCKS!
[07:28] <danko123456> L7: does the song/movie play?
[07:28] <L7> danko123456, yes it does
[07:28] <Wanted> teknoprep yes i know that but the GUI is free isnt it
[07:29] <Seveas> cowbud, did you install vim-gnome?
[07:29] <linukso> L7: does sound work in other programs?
[07:29] <danko123456> what does he mean??
[07:29] <teknoprep> Wanted, wtf are you talking about
[07:29] <danko123456> exactly.
[07:29] <Wanted> danko123456 yes i saw that in the screenshots but couldnt figure out if i choose the partitions if i really makes a bootmenu then
[07:29] <teknoprep> danko123456,  lol
[07:29] <L7> linukso, yes, the sound works, but not on movies
[07:29] <eruin> teknoprep: did msn7 actually work though? :P
[07:30] <teknoprep> eruin, yes
[07:30] <danko123456> makes one after you choose and set up,.
[07:30] <teknoprep> eruin, you have to install it from the webpage
[07:30] <eruin> teknoprep: haha, nice
[07:30] <teknoprep> eruin, has some font's that overlap on the gui
[07:30] <petroleum> ok if i may ask..  i've just installed gcjwebplugin (using apt-get)  and then with galeon or mozilla-firefox whenever i try to load a page that contains an applet.. the browser crashes... can anyone help please?
[07:30] <teknoprep> eruin, but all together it works fine
[07:30] <Wanted> teknoprep hmm i mean the concept e commerce is free
[07:30] <teknoprep> Wanted, leave me alone
[07:31] <danko123456> l7 check out your alsamixer to see if something is muted, m mutes unmutes, and updown ajdusts levels.
[07:31] <Wanted> teknoprep didnt mean to harm you sorry
[07:31] <danko123456> haha:)
[07:31] <L7> danko123456, where can i find my alsamixer?
[07:31] <teknoprep> Wanted, you are wasting space on my irc window with useless questions thats don't make sense
[07:31] <stuNNed> L7: open a terminal and type: 'alsamixer'
[07:31] <danko123456> just alsamixer in a term.
[07:31] <L7> found it :)
[07:32] <danko123456> wanted you just dont make sense, otherwise youre fine...with the free ecommerce
[07:33] <L7> danko123456, i unmuted everything that was muted, but the sound still don't works
[07:34] <Seveas> Wanted, or some people are a bit cranky :)
[07:34] <Wanted> danko123456 thanx for your answer about the boot menu
[07:34] <L7> danko123456, yesterday someone told me to typ "sudo pkill esd" or something and then it worked, but i re-installed ubuntu today so the sound isn't working now.
[07:35] <Wanted> Seveas could be that way too but i thought people like to talk
[07:36] <Wanted> Seveas but Ill keep my mouth shout
[07:36] <TTilus> L7: I bet "sound isn't working" when you use a prog which wants /dev/dsp exclusively
[07:36] <danko123456> Seveas: :)
[07:36] <Seveas> TTilus, i bet so too
[07:36] <danko123456> l7 sudo killall esd
[07:37] <Seveas> but he got the idea that that is right, so he kills esd instead of letting the program use it
[07:37] <Seveas> danko123456, why?
[07:37] <comfrey> hey all...
[07:37] <Seveas> try to let him teach the program to use esd first
[07:37] <comfrey> i am looking to limit access to printers for certain users
[07:37] <TTilus> L7: esd is sound daemon, a sound output multiplexer
[07:37] <Seveas> totem/beep/xine/rhythmbox/and i think vlc can use esd
[07:37] <danko123456> Seveas: if you are asking about the command, that is the one he first did, prob...
[07:38] <TTilus> L7: try to look at your prog's settings to find out if it supports esd output
[07:38] <petroleum> does anyonw know of any compatibility issues with gcjappletviewer/mozilla/galeon?
[07:38] <raptoid> hi everbodys..
[07:38] <raptoid> configure: error: Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.6.0 gdk-pixbuf-2.0) were not met.
[07:38] <raptoid> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
[07:38] <raptoid> installed software in a non-standard prefix.
[07:38] <raptoid> ?
[07:39] <Seveas> raptoid, download the gtk -dev packages
[07:39] <TTilus> L7: what is the prog which "sound isn't working"?
[07:39] <raptoid> apt-get ?
[07:39] <raptoid> whats command ?
[07:40] <linukso> raptoid: run "man apt-get" in a terminal
[07:41] <petroleum> i assume not.
[07:41] <Seveas> raptoid, sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[07:41] <L7> TTilus, it's VLC
[07:42] <TTilus> L7: does it support esd output?
[07:43] <keffo> this would make it? I have this NTFS partition I want to make to reiserfs.. mkfs.reiserfs -c /dev/hda5
[07:43] <keffo> is this correct?
[07:43] <Seveas> keffo, yes, but you would lose all data
[07:44] <keffo> Seveas, yes, I want to do that ;p
[07:44] <keffo> after that.. mkfs.reiserfs -c /dev/hda5 -> Ill just add it to fstab and so on+
[07:45] <L7> TTilus, i don't know, don't think so
[07:45] <L7> w8
[07:45] <keffo> /dev/hda5       /mnt/3-100gb     reiserfs noatime         0       2
[07:45] <keffo> like that
[07:45] <keffo> Seveas,
[07:46] <L7> TTilus, no it didn't
[07:46] <Dave2|Laptop> k. X has decided to lock my desktop into 640x480@60Hz :/
[07:46] <tot> any idea why ubuntu-base requires postfix?  Does this mean I shouldn't use Exim?
[07:47] <Seveas> tot, you can replace it with exim
[07:47] <lamont> tot: as of breezy, it won't
[07:47] <tot> Seveas, to replace, I would have to override deps
[07:48] <lamont> ubuntu-base is the meta-package that installs all  of the default base stuff
[07:48] <tot> lamont, good to hear, thank you
[07:48] <Seveas> lamont, will it be exim|mail-transport-agent?
[07:48] <keffo> Seveas, read up.. do you think that'll do it?
[07:48] <lamont> removing ubuntu-base doesn't cause you difficulties until the next dist-upgrade...
[07:48] <Seveas> keffo, probably :)
[07:48] <lamont> Seveas: no.  no MTA at all
[07:48] <keffo> ill try then
[07:48] <Seveas> lamont, ah nice
[07:48] <lamont> you want an MTA, install one
[07:48] <Seveas> but won't that break LSB?
[07:48] <lamont> the normal desktop user has no use for an MTA
[07:48] <lamont> you want LSB compliance, install the LSB package
[07:48] <Seveas> agreed :)
[07:49] <tot> lamont: mutt requires one though, and I'm a normal user that uses mutt =)
[07:49] <lamont> lsb Depends: postfix| mail-transport-agent
[07:49] <Seveas> tot, make mutt use an external smtp server...
[07:49] <leira> i want to use esd on alsa, but i have no libesd-alsa0 package for my arch(ubuntu-amd64), so i want use esd with aoss, so where i have config?
[07:50] <tot> Seveas, wasn't aware that it was possible, at least from the docs, I'll check again
[07:50] <lamont> tot: likewise.  But mutt users tend to be clueful enough to configure an MTA...
[07:50] <lamont> (mutt's gone from base as well, you see...)
[07:50] <lamont> but remains on the CD
[07:51] <tot> lamont: ouch I see, I'm sorry
[07:51] <lamont> tot: actually, I was supportive of the idea... postfix not being able to ask questions means that it's a crippled install, and that didn't make anyone happy
[07:51] <Church_of_FoamY> what is this proccess in top ksoftirqd/0
[07:51] <lamont> so the current postfix gets to ask you a question or two at install time, and life is much better.
[07:52] <monteiro> in ubuntu when i open gaim and a program next, my mouse breaks is that normal (i enabled dma at the beggining )
[07:52] <lamont> Church_of_FoamY: it's where interrupt processing gets accounted for
[07:52] <Church_of_FoamY> it's taking up 35% of the cpu
[07:52] <Seveas> mutt just needs a sendmail program
[07:52] <Church_of_FoamY> oh
[07:52] <tot> lamont: will postfix be at 2.2 next release?
[07:52] <lamont> tot: already in breezy
[07:52] <Church_of_FoamY> why 35% though
[07:52] <lamont> Church_of_FoamY: I expect because lots of interrupts are happening...  dunno
[07:52] <tot> lamont: excellent, that solves my problem, I'll work with mutt to use a smtp server for now.  thanks much for your insight!
[07:53] <Church_of_FoamY> whats an intterupt?
[07:53] <joel> I installed ubuntu AMD 64. I want to uncomment the universe repos in the /etc/apt/ source.list. If i do uncomment them, will the software downloaded be for my 64 bit sys? (Will the apps be compiled to take advantage of my 64 bit sys) ?
[07:53] <leira> joel: yes
[07:53] <Church_of_FoamY> is it a bad thing?
[07:53] <leira> joel: they are pure 64
[07:54] <Seveas> Church_of_FoamY, it's one of the building blocks of the modern computer :)
[07:54] <larsrohdin> hi, i have a ati-gfx and a intel p4.. if I were to get a new motherboard (msi), a amd 64 cpu and a new gfx (nvidia)... would i have to reinsatll ubuntu or what?
[07:54] <Church_of_FoamY> oh ok
[07:54] <keffo> huh
[07:54] <joel> leira, but the address says nothing about 64...
[07:54] <Church_of_FoamY> the first time i installed ubuntu the cpu would idel at around 3-4% why so hi now?
[07:54] <keffo> Seveas, ok.. its "working".. but I cant do anything, I cant make dirs or move any files.. do i need to chown or something?
[07:54] <keffo> /dev/hda5             103G   33M  102G   1% /mnt/3-100gb
[07:54] <leira> your arch is amd64, the system knows its self
[07:55] <leira> joel: i am using amd64 2
[07:55] <joel> oh ok
[07:55] <joel> thank you
[07:55] <Seveas> keffo, if you want to use it as you: sudo chown 1000:1000 /mnt/3-100gb
[07:55] <keffo> thank you
[07:55] <keffo> great, thank you.. anything more todo?
[07:55] <keffo> or is it done for using P
[07:56] <keffo> ready*
[07:56] <Seveas> it's ready :)
[07:56] <keffo> great
[07:56] <raptoid> Seveas,
[07:56] <raptoid> /bin/sh: yacc: command not found
[07:56] <raptoid> make[1] : *** [parser.c]  Hata 127
[07:56] <raptoid> make[1] : `/home/raptoid/Desktop/experience-0.9.4.1/src' dizininden klyor
[07:56] <raptoid> make: *** [all-recursive]  Hata 1
[07:56] <raptoid> ?
[07:57] <Seveas> raptoid, sudo apt-get install bison flex build-essential
[07:57] <larsrohdin> hi, i have a ati-gfx and a intel p4.. if I were to get a new motherboard (msi), a amd 64 cpu and a new gfx (nvidia)... would i have to reinsatll ubuntu?
[07:57] <PacoBCN> Hi guys. I'm here because I'm trying to solve a problem with NAT. I did look around but still I don't unstarstand what I'm doing wrong. Anyone willing to help me for 2 seconds?
[07:58] <leira> i want to use esd on alsa, but i have no libesd-alsa0 package for my arch(ubuntu-amd64), so i want use esd with aoss, so where i have config?
[07:58] <screamz> PacoBCN: just ask the question :D
[07:59] <PacoBCN> screamz, thanks. I'll explain you: router -> eth1 (wireless) and want to share with eth0 but I cannot
[07:59] <hans_> where do i put the  ScriptAlias to get cgi working on apache?
[07:59] <PacoBCN> In theory Firestarter itself shares the connection
[07:59] <PacoBCN> but when I ping -I eth0 google.com it gets unreach problems
[08:00] <A-z-i-z> How do i configure dial up settings in Ubuntu ?
[08:01] <stuNNed> A-z-i-z: i use wvdial but it's text only based i think they recommend to use pppconfig
[08:01] <A-z-i-z> where do i go t open pppconfig ?
[08:01] <leeway> Does someone run Ubuntu on a Thinkpad T22? I have got sound problems when trying to record from line-in. Normal playback works perfect. The Line-In is set as capture device, of course and
[08:01] <A-z-i-z> t = to
[08:02] <raptoid> Seveas,
[08:02] <raptoid> The following packages have been kept back:
[08:02] <raptoid>   libxvidcore4 mplayer-386
[08:02] <raptoid> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[08:02] <raptoid> ?
[08:02] <stuNNed> A-z-i-z: in a terminal
[08:02] <raptoid> Seveas, thanx helping
[08:02] <A-z-i-z> thanks
[08:02] <PacoBCN> anyone can help me through NAT config?
[08:03] <stuNNed> A-z-i-z: i prefer wvdial as it's more verbose and i've had pppd errors so :)
[08:03] <Seveas> raptoid, do not use non-official repositories
[08:03] <batma8_> i finally got my wifi working, however i have to run through the entire install process everytime i reboot
[08:03] <batma8_> any ideas
[08:03] <A-z-i-z> I will check both ... I don't use dial up but I wanna set it for my brother's PC
[08:04] <anto9us> batma8: is it ndiswrapper?
[08:04] <stuNNed> A-z-i-z: make sure your modem driver is loaded, if not there is script at linmodems.org called scanmodem.gz that can give you a heads up where to get drivers from
[08:04] <Seveas> batma8, what kind of chip, what do you mean with 'install process'?
[08:05] <batma8_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo
[08:05] <A-z-i-z> stuNNed: thanks
[08:05] <batma8_> this is the thing i used
[08:05] <batma8_> it is an rt2500
[08:05] <stuNNed> A-z-i-z: np your welcome
[08:05] <kvidell> http://www.linuxjunkies.in/slynux/Screenshots/desktop.jpg tux has boobies!
[08:06] <RAID1> hi everyone
[08:06] <kvidell> (some kid rebranded knoppix and claims it's a whole new distro now apparently)
[08:06] <batma8_> im sposed to use sudo ifup ra0 when i restart
[08:06] <RAID1> i need help getting a hardware raid up and running with hoary
[08:06] <batma8_> but it just said it cant find the devise
[08:06] <RAID1> it installs fine but is not bootable
[08:06] <RAID1> gets to a grub prompt and the nsits there
[08:06] <pfp> PacoBCN: hmm, what's the problem
[08:07] <raptoid> Seveas, ould you give me the list of offical repositories please ?
[08:07] <raptoid> Seveas, ould you give me the list of offical repositories please ?
[08:07] <raptoid> oh sorry don't flood
[08:07] <raptoid> :)
[08:07] <anto9us> RAID1: I think sometimes the /boot needs to be on a none raid device
[08:07] <Seveas> raptoid, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[08:08] <batma8_> Seveas: any ideas?
[08:09] <anto9us> RAID1: I will help you in private at the rate of 30 sterling per hour ;)
[08:10] <anto9us> RAID1: what I'm saying is I don't normally respond to private chats
[08:10] <RAID1> well i'm sorry
[08:10] <RAID1> ithought it would be easier to talk provately since it can be tough to follow a conversation in the main room
[08:10] <leeway> no one with a T22 around?
[08:10] <kvidell> because there's so much going on in here right now ;P
[08:11] <anto9us> RAID1: it sort of defeats some of the objectives of this channel
[08:11] <kvidell> leeway: I have a 42p and a 30, does that count?
[08:11] <RAID1> you have a point there
[08:11] <RAID1> anto9us do you have any suggestions
[08:11] <leeway> kvidell: i am afraid not as the soundcard might be different
[08:11] <raptoid> Seveas, I have got them , already,
[08:11] <raptoid> janem
[08:11] <kvidell> AC'97?
[08:11] <Seveas> batma8_, yeah, the writer of that wiki page needs to get some clue about modules ;)
[08:11] <leeway> kvidell: no, cs46xx (Crystal Sound Fusion)
[08:11] <anto9us> RAID1: yes, use the main channel to ask your questions :)
[08:11] <A-z-i-z> does apt-get has nvu ?
[08:12] <kvidell> ah, then it is indeed :-\ Sorry.
[08:12] <RAID1> i got that
[08:12] <RAID1> i mean about the raid1
[08:12] <MrWolf> hi, I got a freebsd box but I made a mistake in my fstab so I can't boot it anymore, I'm trying to repare my mystake with Ubuntu Live cd but when I try to mount my hda its told my "already mounted or /mnt/hda busy" anyone have an idea to access my harddrive?
[08:12] <leeway> kvidell: but thanks a lot
[08:12] <Seveas> batma8_, copy the .ko file you create to /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/wireless
[08:13] <Seveas> then type depmod -a
[08:13] <RAID1> does anyone here know anything about installing warty on a harware raid1?
[08:13] <Seveas> and then type: echo TheModuleNameWithoutThe.koPart | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[08:14] <RAID1> does anyone here know anything about installing warty on a hardware raid1?
[08:15] <batma8_> ok..so run through the process again
[08:15] <batma8_> then do the step you told me to do
[08:15] <Seveas> batma8_, you should still have that .ko file somewhere :)
[08:16] <batma8_> you rock man
[08:16] <batma8_> i just need to find where it is.
[08:16] <batma8_> ehhe
[08:17] <batma8_> damn sure it isnt c:\drivers
[08:17] <batma8_> :)
[08:17] <RAID1> does anyone here know anything about installing hoary on a hardware raid1?
[08:19] <theD3viL> Is any program to limit bandwith in (k)ubuntu?
[08:20] <echelon> hi
[08:20] <stuNNed> hi echelon
[08:20] <MrWolf> if someone can help my with my mounting probleme juste say my nick I'll come back thx
[08:20] <echelon> How can I add things to my XFCE taskbar? I want to add the GAIM
[08:20] <stuNNed> theD3viL: you can probly limit outgoing with iptables though i'm not sure, incoming is more difficult
[08:20] <RAID1> echelon: right click on the task bar
[08:20] <RAID1> and select add launcher
[08:20] <littleworm> what's the default password for "root"?
[08:20] <stuNNed> littleworm: there is no 'root' in ubuntu
[08:20] <Fator_Dee> echelon: right click on the edge of the task bar and add new item
[08:21] <thenuke_> heh, default password for root would be nice )=
[08:21] <stuNNed> littleworm: if you want to activate the root account you need to: 'sudo passwd root'
[08:21] <RAID1> yeah then select launcher
[08:21] <Seveas> littleworm: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:21] <stuNNed> littleworm: and create a root password
[08:21] <Choubaka> but it's not necessary!
[08:21] <thenuke_> stuNNed: it's better to teach ppl how to use sudo instead
[08:21] <Fator_Dee> littleworm: but sudo is good
[08:21] <Seveas> stuNNed, please do not advice that unless explicitely requested...
[08:21] <RAID1> does anyone here know anything about installing hoary on a hardware raid1?
[08:21] <GNAM> hi
[08:21] <GNAM> i need a command-line BENCH program
[08:22] <GNAM> cpu, memory, not graphics
[08:22] <stuNNed> Seveas, thenuke_: sorry, i'm an old time having a root account around user, haven't conformed to sudo yet
[08:22] <echelon> but I dont have an option to add GAIM
[08:22] <Seveas> stuNNed, that's ok, but sudo is the ubuntu way and the preferred way to tesch to newbies in here
[08:23] <echelon> and I also want to add terminal
[08:23] <Seveas> s/tesch/teach/
[08:23] <Fator_Dee> echelon: click launcher after add item, and then you can add whatever program you want to
[08:23] <echelon> k
[08:24] <echelon> bah do you know where is the gaim located?
[08:24] <Church_of_FoamY> can anyone tell me why the cpu is doing this? http://pastebin.com/288544
[08:24] <Fator_Dee> echelon: just gaim should be enough
[08:24] <echelon> or what is the command in the console?
[08:24] <stuNNed> echelon: probly /usr/bin
[08:25] <Fator_Dee> stuNNed: that info is not needed tough
[08:25] <stuNNed> echelon: you can 'whereis gaim' should tell you in console
[08:25] <Fator_Dee> *though
[08:25] <Fator_Dee> echelon: the command to be executed is just plain "gaim"
[08:25] <Fator_Dee> kind of obvious eh :-p
[08:25] <MrWolf> I got a freebsd box but I made a mistake in my fstab so I can't boot it anymore, I'm trying to repare my mystake with Ubuntu Live cd but after i do "sudo mount /dev/hda /mnt/hda" its told my "already mounted or /mnt/hda busy" but it's not mounted. anyone have an idea to access my harddrive?
[08:25] <RAID1> does anyone here know anything about installing hoary on a hardware raid1?
[08:26] <echelon> and can I make a shortcut to open the terminal?
[08:26] <Church_of_FoamY> so anyone have an idea
[08:26] <Zindar> echelon: find the terminal under Applications, drag it to somewhere you want the shortcut
[08:26] <Fator_Dee> echelon: shouldn't there be one be default?
[08:27] <Taliesin`> (Church_of_FoamY): you havent really shown me anything, why is the CPU doing what? you have shown us a TOP output, your, perhaps rephrase your question, why is the CPU doing what?
[08:27] <Church_of_FoamY> ok
[08:27] <Church_of_FoamY> my cpu used to idel between 3-5%
[08:27] <batma8_> Seveas: root@ubuntu:/home/batma8/rt2500-cvs-20050521/Module # sudo cp ~/rt2500-cvs-daily/Module/rt2500.ko /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/
[08:27] <batma8_> cp: cannot stat `/root/rt2500-cvs-daily/Module/rt2500.ko': No such file or directory
[08:27] <Church_of_FoamY> now it idels at 21% i'm trying to figure out why
[08:28] <norm_> i'm wondering if anyone has had problems with powernowd throttling weirdly - i can't get it to throttle the cpu speed to less than 60%
[08:28] <Taliesin`> have you changed anything, did gkrellm always use 15%?
[08:28] <Seveas> batma8, use /home/your_username instead of ~
[08:28] <_hp_> what mode should i select in gnomebaker for a audio cd?
[08:28] <Church_of_FoamY> no it diden't
[08:28] <Church_of_FoamY> thats what i'm trying to figure out
[08:28] <Fator_Dee> Church_of_FoamY: well, it seems that gkrellm is hogging a chunk of your cpu
[08:28] <Taliesin`> and nuthing has changed?
[08:28] <Taliesin`> you did update gkrellm at any time use apt pr synaptics?
[08:28] <echelon> okay one more thing now. how can I turn off the auto-update of the clock?
[08:28] <Church_of_FoamY> what would cause it to do such a thing?
[08:28] <Taliesin`> didnt*
[08:29] <plod> ~username/rt....
[08:29] <Church_of_FoamY> yes i used it to uninstall a plugin
[08:29] <Fator_Dee> Church_of_FoamY: did you recently change it somehow?
[08:29] <Church_of_FoamY> yes i did
[08:29] <Church_of_FoamY> lol
[08:29] <Taliesin`> hmm
[08:29] <Church_of_FoamY> i removed a xmms plugin through syn
[08:29] <Fator_Dee> try to change it back :-p
[08:29] <Church_of_FoamY> ok
[08:29] <Taliesin`> (Church_of_FoamY): try reversing what you have done then :)
[08:29] <Church_of_FoamY> will do
[08:29] <slashzul> any recommendations on cdwriter software?
[08:30] <slashzul> anyone know why cdrecord doesnt work with ubuntu 5.04 hoary?
[08:30] <Church_of_FoamY> but my question is why would it make a diffrence?
[08:30] <Taliesin`> maybe you've removed something it needs
[08:30] <Church_of_FoamY> ahhh that never occurd to me
[08:30] <Taliesin`> and in compensation to do what it needs it needs to use more cpu now, instead of just letting the plugin doing the work
[08:30] <Church_of_FoamY> =-O
[08:30] <Church_of_FoamY> ok i get it
[08:30] <Fator_Dee> Church_of_FoamY: or you could try to start gkrellm
[08:30] <Fator_Dee> Church_of_FoamY: I mean, close it and then start it
[08:30] <Church_of_FoamY> it's running >.<
[08:30] <Church_of_FoamY> have several times
[08:31] <Fator_Dee> Church_of_FoamY: ok
[08:31] <theD3viL> Anyone has TeamSpeak? MSG ME!
[08:31] <carthik> Is it okay for me to use the Logo to make stickers and sell them?
[08:31] <Fator_Dee> Church_of_FoamY: or that plug-in could still be listed in some configs and it's trying to desperately search it :-p
[08:31] <batma8_> Seveas: sudo cp home/batma8/rt2500-cvs-daily/Module/rt2500.ko /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/
[08:31] <Fator_Dee> Church_of_FoamY: I don't know though if that's possible
[08:31] <Church_of_FoamY> oh ok that makes seince
[08:32] <Church_of_FoamY> sence
[08:32] <Fator_Dee> *sense
[08:32] <Church_of_FoamY> lol
[08:33] <Church_of_FoamY> still idel @ around 20%
[08:33] <Church_of_FoamY> could it be because i uninstalled kubuntu-desktop
[08:33] <Fator_Dee> Church_of_FoamY: that's only a meta-package
[08:33] <Fator_Dee> Church_of_FoamY: that doesn't actually have anything to with anything post-installing
[08:34] <Fator_Dee> *to do
[08:34] <Church_of_FoamY> i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg when i installed my vid card could that do it?
[08:35] <yacoob_> Greetings.
[08:35] <stuNNed> hi yacoob_
[08:35] <yacoob_> Is there a way to install ubuntu from some livecd?
[08:36] <xentnex> how can we add ebuilds to the repository ?
[08:36] <yacoob_> (not exactly ubuntu live cd :)
[08:36] <Seveas> yacoob_, you can install it from the ubuntu live-cd with some tricks
[08:36] <Seveas> it onvolves manually running debootstrap
[08:36] <yacoob_> Seveas: any doc for that?
[08:37] <yacoob_> (I believe I have some ubuntu live cd, but from previous release, hmm...)
[08:37] <Seveas> yacoob_, no more than man debootstrap :)
[08:37] <yacoob_> Aye.
[08:37] <Taliesin`> (xentnex): aint ebuild's a gentoo thing? :P
[08:37] <Fator_Dee> Church_of_FoamY: I can't see how that would have an effect on it
[08:38] <Seveas> xentnex, ubuntu does not use ebuilds
[08:38] <yacoob_> Seveas: to be precise, this gentoo install is only for my girlfriend, I'm happy with my debian, so to say :)
[08:38] <Seveas> and if you want software to be added, look at wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates #ubuntu-motu
[08:38] <Taliesin`> damn those masters, they control all! :/
[08:38] <Taliesin`> :P
[08:39] <xentnex> yeah :)
[08:39] <Church_of_FoamY> kubuntu
[08:41] <RAID1> does anyone here know anything about installing hoary on a hardware raid1?
[08:42] <theD3viL> RAID1, why need
[08:43] <RAID1> hi theD3viL
[08:43] <RAID1> i need to setup a webserver for a dept at a university
[08:43] <RAID1> they want the server to make use of a harwdware raid1 setup
[08:44] <RAID1> hoary installs just fine but will not boot once installation is complete
[08:44] <RAID1> i let the partition tool auto partition the primary disk
[08:44] <pfp> RAID1: maybe use a boot floppy (permanently)?
[08:44] <RAID1> according to the prof in charge, the hardware should mirror the primary disk to the secondary one after a day
[08:45] <pfp> heh, that's not RAID :)
[08:45] <RAID1> thing is though the prof had it working with fc
[08:45] <teknoprep> lol thats not RAID.. hahahahaha
[08:45] <Fator_Dee> ain't that just a backup?
[08:45] <RAID1> ok then what is it?
[08:45] <Seveas> teknoprep, it is
[08:45] <teknoprep> you professor is an idiot
[08:45] <^thehatsrule^> RAID does have it
[08:45] <RAID1> well the prof keeps calling it raid1
[08:45] <Seveas> but well, not after a day
[08:45] <Seveas> it should mirror constantly
[08:45] <teknoprep> RAID is done now.. not later
[08:46] <Taliesin`> RAID will mirror it constatly
[08:46] <^thehatsrule^> theres a mode that backups after every change
[08:46] <Seveas> ^thehatsrule^, not really
[08:46] <RAID1> well the harware says it is raid
[08:46] <Taliesin`> however their are a few promise cards that have "delayed miroring" but not to the extent of aday
[08:46] <Seveas> there is mirroring, striping and all sorts of combination with and without parity
[08:46] <teknoprep> RAID1, bleh setup wrong then
[08:46] <^thehatsrule^> oh, well i havnet used a raid in that format before
[08:46] <RAID1> the machine is equipped with promise technology incs superswap 1000 drives
[08:47] <RAID1> i just went into the bios of the machine and configured it to mirror
[08:47] <Taliesin`> well for promise, doesnt sound to promising so far :)
[08:47] <pfp> RAID1: hmm, did you mean that mirroring occurs once / day, or that you have 24h to set it up?
[08:47] <teknoprep> RAID1, then you talking about raid with snapshot.. the snapshot is there so you can perform a backup without interfering with the performance of the raid
[08:47] <RAID1> i'm not reinstalling hoary but 2 drives keep appearing in the partition tool
[08:47] <Taliesin`> one problem you are probably facing, im not sure ifg ubuntu comes with Promise raid modules out of the box ?
[08:48] <RAID1> i was suspecting that but their website doesn't seem to have any drivers for linux at all even though redhat is listed in their list of oses
[08:49] <Taliesin`> fedora = redhat
[08:49] <Taliesin`> probably why it works under fedora core.
[08:49] <teknoprep> fedora = redhat without proprietary binary drivers
[08:49] <RAID1> my main problem is that hoary will not boot once the stage1 install is complete
[08:49] <echelon> bah how can I play mp3s?
[08:49] <teknoprep> fedora = too easy of a setup
[08:49] <teknoprep> fedora = easy to setup a bitch to upgrade
[08:49] <Taliesin`> (echelon): with XMMS? :)
[08:49] <teknoprep> echelon, with amarok
[08:49] <Fator_Dee> echelon: read the restricted formats wiki
[08:50] <RAID1> i've tried grub and lilo and none work
[08:50] <pfp> RAID1: what are the symptoms?
[08:50] <TSWoodV> teknoprep: fedora = a superset of what will be Red Hat Enterprise.
[08:50] <teknoprep> RAID1, you are just setting up wrong
[08:50] <Taliesin`> i think the problem you are probably facing is
[08:50] <xentnex> mp3blaster
[08:50] <echelon> whats better xmms or vlc?
[08:50] <Taliesin`> you need to install the system on a non-raid device
[08:50] <TSWoodV> teknoprep: And why do you say it's hard to upgrade?
[08:50] <teknoprep> TSWoodV, without binary drivers tho
[08:50] <RAID1> with grub i get no errors during the install but once the machine goes down for reboot
[08:50] <Taliesin`> and have the RAID data running from seperate RAID drives
[08:50] <Foolish> I'm wondering, about this smeg thingy. Why does it put it's modules into lib instead of the python site-packages folder? I'm a fedora user, putting python modules into /usr/lib might even be what ubuntu does for all I know.
[08:50] <RAID1> i get the GRUB prompt and the machine just sits there
[08:50] <teknoprep> TSWoodV, have you ever tryed a distro upgarde on fedora.. so much shit breaks
[08:50] <Taliesin`> sounds like GRUB is in the MBR, but cant read the conf from the drive.
[08:51] <teknoprep> TSWoodV,  i make redhat servers.. i leave thatm that redhat version.. or i redo them on a new box
[08:51] <TSWoodV> teknoprep: Red Hat has no interest in being the first distro to be sued for either redistributing binaries that aren't GPLed or other stuff like NTFS support that may be patent encumbered.
[08:51] <theD3viL> can somebody tell me on which page he/her downloading torrents?
[08:51] <teknoprep> TSWoodV, i would never do upgrades anymore
[08:51] <TSWoodV> teknoprep: I've upgraded from Red Hat 7.2 straight to FC3.  No problems.
[08:51] <RAID1> do any of you know of a way around this problem?
[08:51] <TSWoodV> teknoprep: I'm going to try a RH 6.2 box soon.
[08:51] <teknoprep> TSWoodV, was it a desktop or server
[08:51] <teknoprep> TSWoodV, i would never do that with a server
[08:51] <echelon> I've installed XMMS, how can I run things with it now? where is it located?
[08:52] <Taliesin`> (RAID1): my idea is, install Ubuntu to a seperate drive, that is not part of the RAID
[08:52] <teknoprep> TSWoodV,  or was it a basic install
[08:52] <jon273> hm
[08:52] <Taliesin`> then mount the RAID'd partition where you require it, eg /var/www
[08:52] <Vytas> I'm not an ubuntu user, just was testing it. During install, I selected Lithuanian language (that is what I speak), ant then, fonts in gnome look awful. If I select English//POSIX from GDM menu, everything looks fine. I haven't seen this problem on other distros. Any ideas?
[08:52] <toxicfume> Hi all i have a problem
[08:52] <jon273> my ubuntu server just restarted at random for the third time this week
[08:52] <TSWoodV> teknoprep: Both desktops and servers.  No basic installs, either.  I'm pretty picky package-wise.
[08:52] <RAID1> yeah but they want it so that if one drive fails they pull it out and the secondary drive kicks in
[08:52] <Foolish> TSWoodV: not to feed the trolls or anything, but compared to debian, gentoo and loads of others, most RPM based distributions are quite a hassle to upgrade. Fedora and Red Hat included.
[08:52] <pfp> Taliesin`: that doesn't give HA though
[08:53] <Vytas> Foolish, gentoo is easy to upgrade
[08:53] <Taliesin`> however, his problem is prolly the fact it cant read FROM the drive, because you can load hte promise module before the kernel :P
[08:53] <jon273> nothing in log but "May 23 19:46:27 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#16ubuntu6: restart."
[08:53] <teknoprep> TSWoodV, more power to you..i work in a place i can't have downtime.. so i rebuild the box from scratch.. and move what i need .. and reconfigure... then put onto the network after tested
[08:53] <RAID1> then they put in a fresh drive and the image of the primary gets built onto the new empty drive before it is in a state to be able to kick in incase of failure
[08:53] <echelon> arrrg i can marry ubuntu
[08:53] <msieradzki> ?
[08:53] <msieradzki> :)
[08:53] <Taliesin`> (echelon): but your not allowed to divorce it! :)
[08:53] <teknoprep> TSWoodV, i do not upgrade a box unless its getting hardware update too
[08:53] <toxicfume> So I installed Ubunt on my laptop (with a lot of problems, had to start setup with acpi=off, and it couldn't detect the wireless signal from the router)..and now after installation, whenever i boot into ubuntu..at the startup it will give a message saying PnP BIOS failed...(or something like that) and once it boots fully in..my screen goes blank..nothing on it, how do i fix all that? :S
[08:53] <Fator_Dee> echelon: xmms should be under applications -> multimedia/sound/noises/whatever that was
[08:54] <jon273> Why would it reboot at random?
[08:54] <teknoprep> jon273, bad hardware
[08:54] <pfp> RAID1: Taliesin` is probably correct about grub not being able to read your drive; if it's possible to fit lilo/grub, kernel (and initrd?) on a floppy, that would probably solve it
[08:54] <nakor> can anyone please help me with my usb cf/sm reader?
[08:55] <teknoprep> jon273, try turning off acpid... /etc/init.d/acpid stop
[08:55] <jon273> but it says restart in the log
[08:55] <teknoprep> jon273, acpid could hurt it
[08:55] <echelon> yeah, ive got that Fator_Dee, thanks
[08:55] <teknoprep> jon273, try what i said
[08:55] <Taliesin`> (RAID1): is this similiar to what you are seeing? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25281.html
[08:55] <echelon> it just took a lil bit o' time to put him there
[08:55] <jon273> teknoprep, it's not there
[08:55] <teknoprep> type this in
[08:56] <pfp> RAID1: i'm not sure about the initrd, but i've done that on debian boxen w/ non-initrd kernels
[08:56] <teknoprep> sudo /etc/init.d/acpid stop
[08:56] <RAID1> nope
[08:56] <teknoprep> or sudo /etc/init.d/apci stop
[08:56] <RAID1> i don't see anything apart from GURB and the cursor
[08:56] <jon273> teknoprep, it's not there
[08:56] <teknoprep> jon273, then its not acpi
[08:56] <RAID1> the machine accpets no keyboard input
[08:56] <Vytas> Sorry for repeating, but maybe I wasn't seen:) During install, I selected Lithuanian language (that is what I speak), ant then, fonts in gnome look awful. If I select English//POSIX from GDM menu, everything looks fine. I haven't seen this problem on other distros. Any ideas?
[08:56] <jon273> cheers, sherlock
[08:56] <toxicfume> can anyone help me?
[08:56] <teknoprep> jon273, i have had problems with some machines creating random acpi msg's that reboot the machine
[08:56] <Taliesin`> (RAID1): whats hte model number of hte Promise raid card?
[08:56] <RAID1> superswap 10000
[08:57] <yacoob_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto is nice :)
[08:57] <RAID1> oops 1000
[08:57] <RAID1> superswap 1000
[08:57] <RAID1> sorry that was the drive
[08:57] <RAID1> the card is tx2000 fast rtak
[08:57] <Taliesin`> ty
[08:57] <RAID1> the card is tx2000 fast trak
[08:57] <nakor> can anyone please help me with my usb cf/sm reader? driver=(none) shows up in /proc/bus/usb/devices for the card reader and i have the usb-storage and ide-scsi modules loaded.
[08:59] <Taliesin`> (RAID1): appears the same problem happens on Debian
[08:59] <vegi> are any german-speacking ubuntu users in the channel who can help me with the installation of ubuntu @ a sata raid? please query me thx
[08:59] <vegi> or english speaking
[09:00] <RAID1> everything i have read to date has been on setting up software raids and they all say that /boot should not be inthe raid
[09:00] <vegi> no i mean hardware raid
[09:00] <RAID1> not much info out there on installing everything to a hardware raid
[09:00] <jon273> also, am i supposed to have a logline similar to the following: "May 23 19:46:29 localhost kernel: RAMDISK: Loading 4252KiB [1 disk]  into ram disk... |^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^"
[09:00] <jon273> ?
[09:00] <toxicfume> can someone help me with my ubuntu installation on my laptop? it's causing lots of troubles :/
[09:00] <Taliesin`> yeah
[09:00] <jon273> oops, longer than i though
[09:00] <echelon> Now, the only thing I need is how do I set the watch in my taskbar?
[09:00] <Fator_Dee> jon273: that's normal, at least I have one :-p
[09:00] <vegi> any german in this channel?
[09:00] <Taliesin`> (RAID1): http://ttul.org/~rrsadler/linux-promise/ <- it's from debian, but similiar setup....
[09:00] <echelon> and cacnel the auto-update
[09:01] <RAID1> toxicfume what is happening when you try to install to your laptop?
[09:01] <Seveas> jon273, that is completely normal
[09:01] <Taliesin`> (RAID1): http://ttul.org/~rrsadler/linux-promise/ <- see if you can follow this at all and see if it helps, but it looks like by ddefault, Debian or Ubuntu will not install correctly with LILO or GRUB because the fact that their are no prmoise modules in teh default kernel
[09:01] <jon273> why dont my other linux oxes do it then?
[09:01] <jon273> *boxes
[09:01] <yacoob_> Hey.
[09:02] <Fator_Dee> jon273: because they are not ubuntu?
[09:02] <yacoob_> Where is this netinstall livecd, that docs are writing about?
[09:02] <Seveas> jon273, maybe they don't use an initrd
[09:02] <RAID1> thanks for the link
[09:02] <Taliesin`> (jon273): all it is, is when its loading, if your eyes are quick enough you'll see aspinning line, as hsows by the | / \ symbols
[09:02] <RAID1> i'll give that a try and mail the results to the user list
[09:02] <toxicfume> RAID1: well I already installed it..but it caused me problems, like..it would hang if i didn't start setup with the "acpi=off" parameter(which means i don't get all the nice acpi features of Centrino) and then it wouldn't detect the wireless signal from the 3Com ap(but it detects the wireless NIC)
[09:02] <RAID1> mine would turn off automatically due to heat
[09:03] <jon273> Taliesin`, thx. That's just the explanation i was looking for
[09:03] <RAID1> to overcome that i used noapic and nolapic
[09:03] <toxicfume> noapic and nolapic didn't work for me..acpi=off seemed to be the only solution
[09:03] <toxicfume> anyways
[09:03] <toxicfume> i installed it anyways
[09:03] <stuNNed> hi lotusleaf
[09:03] <toxicfume> but now
[09:03] <Taliesin`> (RAID1): No problems, sorry I cant help further, but it appears it to do with "binary drivers" issue,
[09:03] <nakor> i onced had to use acpi=off to install and then could use it on after installation...
[09:04] <Taliesin`> where Debian and Ubuntu wont include them by default.
[09:04] <toxicfume> when i start up ubuntu..first at the start, it gives me a message saying somethinglike (PnP BIOS failed..upgrade BIOS...etc) and then once it finishes the startup procedure..i get a blank screen
[09:04] <vegi> can any user help me with sata raid, installation of ubuntu? please /query vegi
[09:04] <Jet2k5> hey guys
[09:04] <Jet2k5> I got a new linux-image to update
[09:04] <toxicfume> nakor: oh really? i hope  that works for me too
[09:04] <Jet2k5> does this mean a new kernel?
[09:05] <Jet2k5> or just the image, what ever it is
[09:05] <toxicfume> nakor: but now i don't see anything on the screen when i bootup ubuntu on my laptop :/
[09:05] <Seveas> Jet2k5, it's the kernel
[09:05] <Jet2k5> k
[09:05] <Jet2k5> so with a reboot it will update the info in grub?
[09:05] <Jet2k5> or do I have to edit the file manualy?
[09:05] <Seveas> they've fixed some security bugs
[09:05] <Seveas> no, it'll be updated when you install the update
[09:05] <echelon> omg I love this
[09:05] <nakor> is it booting and not displaying anything or has it hung up altogether?
[09:05] <yahalom> i spent two days setting up xfce with ubuntu, translating the damn menu and they want windows
[09:06] <Dave2|Laptop> Is there any way for me to force X to run at 1024x768@75Hz? I know it can do it, but it's suddenly decided to only let me use 640x480@60Hz
[09:06] <Jet2k5> how do I check kernel version again?"
[09:06] <Taliesin`> (echelon): what do u love exactly? :)
[09:06] <Taliesin`> (Jet2k5): uname -a
[09:06] <Taliesin`> from a terminal
[09:06] <Seveas> Jet2k5, uname -r
[09:06] <Shuddertrix> uname -r
[09:06] <Jet2k5> -r
[09:06] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[09:06] <Jet2k5> sorry I used to use linux a lot, and left
[09:06] <Jet2k5> then came back when I heard about ubuntu :)
[09:06] <Jet2k5> thanks guys
[09:07] <lotusleaf> following the kernel update, do nvidia drivers need to be reinstalled again?
[09:07] <Seveas> :)
[09:07] <toxicfume> anyone?
[09:07] <Choubaka> :)
[09:07] <echelon> whoa, yahalom, sup?
[09:07] <black_Nightmare> was just wondering if it'll just as normal (as if nothing really happened) if I switched from a relisys 15" crt to then plugging in a 20" crt before booting up the pc again?
[09:07] <echelon> I am on my fresh copy of ubuntu now :)
[09:07] <vegi> switzer or germans here?
[09:08] <yahalom> echelon, losing my linux windows war
[09:08] <echelon> :(
[09:08] <Shuddertrix> Where does gdesklets-data put the sensors/display files?
[09:08] <yahalom> echelon, whats up with u?
[09:08] <yahalom> echelon, on ubuntu?
[09:08] <black_Nightmare> ......
[09:09] <nakor> can anyone please help me with my usb cf/sm reader? driver=(none) shows up in /proc/bus/usb/devices for the card reader and i have the usb-storage and ide-scsi modules loaded.
[09:09] <mattlins> What is a good web development app for linux?
[09:09] <^thehatsrule^> bluefish mattlins
[09:09] <mattlins> thanks
[09:09] <^thehatsrule^> :)
[09:09] <Shuddertrix> bluefish or your favorite text editor. ;)
[09:09] <echelon> yahalom yeah
[09:10] <echelon> yahalom, I got tiyul shnati mahar, But I can't stand just using ubuntu for the sake of using it :P
[09:10] <bhna> mattlins: quanta+
[09:10] <echelon> yahalom, Anyways, this is so fun, just to install stuff so quickly and easily
[09:10] <echelon> yahalom, you have any idea  how can i set the clock, and how can I cancel the auto update under xfce4?
[09:11] <Shuddertrix> If anyone was wondering about my question.. it's /usr/share/gdesklets/Sensors
[09:11] <yahalom> echelon, #xfce
[09:12] <yahalom> echelon, man what do u mean for the sake of installing it? once u get to know it, this is the real window to the world.
[09:12] <black_Nightmare> nevermind..I'll just hope the 20" doesn't get rash at me when I plug it to the pc
[09:12] <forsaker8k6> hi people...
[09:12] <forsaker8k6> i've got a semi-ot question? can i ask anyway?
[09:13] <mattlins> How do I add launchers to the applications menu?
[09:13] <nobile> ask all you want =)
[09:13] <Vytas> so no thoughts about the fonts?
[09:13] <echelon> yahalom, hehe...
[09:13] <yahalom> echelon, guys in my pc tech class said they gave up on linux cos of no games. so i setup winex and played half-life nicer than on windows. it's all about how much u want to put into it.
[09:13] <zazeem> anyone know how to uninstall steam from cedega?
[09:13] <forsaker8k6> how do i change the background color shown when the gnome-splash screen is on the screen?
[09:13] <echelon> yahalom, I never knew I can play stuff on linu, but Ill get to that later.
[09:13] <stuNNed> what is steam, zazeem?
[09:14] <echelon> yahalom, got any clue if I can run Jedi academy?
[09:14] <zazeem> steam counterstrike 1.6 thing
[09:14] <timmow> does cedega do half life 2 well?
[09:14] <zazeem> ya
[09:14] <stuNNed> oh that
[09:14] <zazeem> ?
[09:14] <forsaker8k6> i mean.. i can change my bg color while i am in gnome.. but at the moment gnome is starting i have the brown default bg... i do i get rid of it?
[09:15] <yahalom> echelon, timmow the graphics were not as good as on windows, but if u have a good nvidia card i think it would be better, it didnt crash as much as it did in windows. counter strike was is very nice.
[09:15] <zazeem> forsaken go to system , administration startup screen
[09:15] <caonex> I just installed ubuntu from a knoppix live cd; however, grub is not able to recognize the filesystem type, reiserfs, of the root partition. What can be done to repair this?
[09:15] <yahalom> echelon, check out linux games too. such as scorched3d is fun.
[09:16] <zazeem> <3 scorch
[09:16] <msieradzki> s3d rulez :)
[09:16] <yahalom> echelon, and native linux games are very fast
[09:16] <zazeem> any one know how to uninstall steam from cedega??
[09:16] <yahalom> BZflag
[09:16] <echelon> yahalom, got any link for some nice linux games? And I got GF2MX which quite sucks :\
[09:16] <msieradzki> search for uninst*
[09:16] <zazeem> wha?
[09:16] <forsaker8k6> tnz zazeem but i didn't mean gdm bg
[09:16] <msieradzki> s3d is nice
[09:16] <eruin> I like one aspect about kde, in kopete> the ichat theme :)
[09:16] <yahalom> zazeem, just right click on and remove it no?
[09:17] <forsaker8k6> i wanted to change the bg shown on the background of the splash screen...
[09:17] <zazeem> u tried no get an error installing aain
[09:17] <yahalom> echelon, sudo apt-get install scorched3d
[09:17] <zazeem> dunno forsaken
[09:17] <eruin> anyone tried any of the breezy daily install cds_
[09:17] <zazeem> ima noob also
[09:17] <forsaker8k6> ok zazeem found... tnk you very much
[09:17] <forsaker8k6> you where right :D
[09:17] <yahalom> echelon, sudo apt-get install bzflag
[09:17] <forsaker8k6> were*
[09:17] <zazeem> :D
[09:17] <zazeem> wow my first help given in this chnnl
[09:17] <echelon> hmm, kill is the command to delete files?
[09:18] <zazeem> that was right..
[09:18] <toxicfume> can anyone help me?
[09:18] <yahalom> echelon, and the tux games are cute and happy. bring u up when ur miserable
[09:18] <zazeem> lol
[09:18] <yahalom> echelon, tuxracer, supertux and frozen-bubble
[09:18] <forsaker8k6> tnk you all people.. see you next problem :P
[09:18] <zazeem> how do i burn a cd in ubuntu
[09:18] <zazeem> ?
[09:18] <yahalom> lol
[09:18] <athlon> zazeem, sudo apt-get install gnomebaker
[09:18] <echelon> yahalom, hehe
[09:18] <zazeem> gunna erase windows and reformat with ubuntu!! 80 gigs not 10 :D
[09:18] <yahalom> zazeem, apt-get install gnomebake or just use nautilus
[09:18] <echelon> yahalom, ill try them when ill come back from the trip
[09:19] <echelon> yahalom, how can I delet files in the terminal?
[09:19] <yahalom> zazeem, if u insert an empty disk nautilus cd burner should open it automatically
[09:19] <zazeem> ubuntu owns windows
[09:19] <zazeem> o
[09:19] <zazeem> ok
[09:19] <yahalom> echelon, sudo rm blah blah
[09:20] <we2by> zazeem, lmao. no way. lol
[09:20] <zazeem> ?
[09:20] <zazeem> no way what
[09:20] <zazeem> ?
[09:20] <we2by> zazeem ubuntu owns windows
[09:20] <zazeem> it does
[09:20] <zazeem> lol
[09:20] <zazeem> runs better
[09:20] <yahalom> zazeem, man i work with windows all day. i want to give up pcs untili come home to this relief.
[09:20] <zazeem> faster
[09:20] <echelon> thanks
[09:20] <zazeem> no viruses
[09:20] <zazeem> lol
[09:21] <echelon> yahalom, you got some pics or something of schoched3d?
[09:21] <zazeem> and i got my fav game to work faster than windows
[09:21] <yahalom> zazeem, if windows people send u viruses, and they do, u can pass them on to ur windows friends.
[09:21] <zazeem> rtcw enemy territory <3 just wish ventrilo worked..
[09:21] <we2by> zazeem, there are viruses
[09:21] <echelon> yeah, I also want Vent :(
[09:21] <echelon> vent pwnz :D
[09:21] <msieradzki> echelon: you don't need screenshots, this game rocks...
[09:21] <zazeem> i heard theres a way
[09:21] <yahalom> echelon, www.scorched3d.co.uk
[09:21] <echelon> yahalom, Thanks!
[09:21] <zazeem> to get vent
[09:21] <msieradzki> you have to check it out yourself
[09:21] <zazeem> with cedega somehow
[09:21] <zazeem> a freind did it
[09:22] <msieradzki> sudo apt-get install scor...
[09:22] <yahalom> zazeem, check out transgaming.com there's info there
[09:22] <xena> i m trying to install build essentials. but icant because it says
[09:22] <xena> build-essential:
[09:22] <msieradzki> scorched3d would *really* rock if it would have option of playing in real tim
[09:22] <xena>  Depends: g++ but not installed
[09:22] <msieradzki> e
[09:23] <echelon> zazeem, if you find anything, PM me, or send me a memo or something, im going to be away for 3 days
[09:23] <yahalom> only prob is that scorched3d in the repos is not the latest so u cant play online against most people, so i downloaded it from the site
[09:23] <zazeem> ok
[09:23] <Seveas> xena, you should apt-get it, not manually download the deb
[09:24] <echelon> yahalom, what kind of game (genere) is sc3d?
[09:24] <xena> Seveas, sudo apt-get install build-essential . i did like this
[09:24] <yahalom> echelon, well basically its like that silly little game where u have two tanks and u try to hit eachother
[09:24] <msieradzki> turn based worms
[09:24] <msieradzki> in 3d
[09:25] <zazeem> in nautilus cd creator how do i see how much space is used???
[09:25] <msieradzki> there was game in msdos
[09:25] <msieradzki> gorrillaz
[09:25] <msieradzki> example of basic
[09:25] <zazeem> ?
[09:25] <msieradzki> you shoot with bananas
[09:25] <yahalom> echelon, they made it 3d, and they gave choices of tanks, or aircraft, or whatever, and instead of just shells, u have crazy bombs, from atom bombs to kameekaze planes. its fun.
[09:25] <toresbe> yeah, that rocked
[09:25] <msieradzki> you must shoot to another gorilla
[09:25] <msieradzki> it;s like that in 3d
[09:25] <yahalom> echelon, msieradzki 's comment explains it better
[09:25] <Seveas> xena, which version of ubuntu do you use?
[09:26] <yahalom> msieradzki, lol
[09:26] <echelon> yahalom, lol
[09:26] <yahalom> msieradzki, and cakes, and muffins
[09:26] <echelon> yahalom, k ill try it when I come back
[09:26] <xena> Seveas, hoary
[09:26] <echelon> And if anyone got something about Ventrilo in Linux, i'd me more than happy to know.
[09:26] <Seveas> xena, do you have network repositories enabled?
[09:26] <xena> Seveas, i have added www.ubuntuguide.com #extra repositories all.
[09:26] <nova> any one here got lm-sensors running to show temps and all that good stuff
[09:27] <Seveas> xena, bad idea
[09:27] <Seveas> use only official repositories
[09:27] <qatsi> hey, im trying yo install wine with some apps with the Synaptic Mannager, and it says i cant install some of them...it says winetools:
[09:27] <qatsi>  Depends: xdialog  but it is not installable
[09:27] <qatsi>  Depends: gtk-smooth-themes  but it is not installable        what can i do to install this two packages ???
[09:27] <echelon> hmmmm it seems only debian got an older version of the game.
[09:27] <nova> im following this how to http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2780&highlight=sensors
[09:27] <mattlins> I installed java sdk successfully.  Now, I want to install the netbeans ide.  I get a message about netbeans not being able to load in graphical mode.  In fedora core 3 the solution was to donwload xorg's deprecated libraries.  Has anyone heard of this?  Is this the propeer solution for ubuntu?
[09:27] <nova> and am at this point
[09:27] <xena> Seveas, i ve tried with official then i ve added them.
[09:27] <toxicfume> hello? ubuntu wouldnt display on mylaptop..can anyone help?
[09:27] <nova>  Then, run /etc/init.d/module-init-tools
[09:27] <yahalom> echelon, debian based distros are about stability more. I'
[09:27] <Seveas> qatsi, i hope you install them from the official repositories..?
[09:27] <yahalom> probably get beaten for saying that
[09:27] <yahalom> give it a few secs
[09:28] <Seveas> xena, can you paste your sources.list on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[09:28] <qatsi> Seveas dont know, never installed themmm
[09:28] <yahalom> its very hard to say a 100% true comment when surrounded by geeks
[09:28] <echelon> yahalom, Well they get out the new ver or is it bound to stay old :P?
[09:28] <nova> dont forget us newbie linux hope to be soon geeks now :)
[09:28] <Seveas> Quest-Master,  can you paste your sources.list on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[09:29] <Seveas> oops
[09:29] <Seveas> qatsi, ,  can you paste your sources.list on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[09:29] <Seveas> sorry Quest-Master i'll watch my <tab> better :)
[09:29] <yahalom> echelon, that u should ask someone who is involved with ubuntu. they should at some point. then again it could be on the next release of ubuntu. just download it from the site. its a deb package
[09:29] <no0tic> what file describes "Applications" menu?
[09:29] <qatsi> ok, let me see, im new to ubuntu, so ill be trying for a while
[09:29] <echelon> why not apt-get?
[09:30] <echelon> anyways, I really g2g, laters, and a lot of thanks
[09:30] <Seveas> no0tic, all .desktop files in /usr/share/applications and the like
[09:30] <toxicfume> hello? ubuntu wouldnt display on mylaptop..can anyone help?
[09:30] <zazeem> wtf try apt-get source
[09:30] <zazeem> works
[09:30] <xena> Seveas, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/288581
[09:30] <zazeem> strange
[09:30] <no0tic> Seveas: thanks
[09:30] <Church_of_FoamY> how to use bugzilla?
[09:30] <zazeem> any free linux antivirus stuff???
[09:30] <zazeem> or adware remover?
[09:31] <yahalom> echelon, its not the newest one. and unless u have the newest version u cant play against many people.
[09:31] <Tritis> zazeem:  clamav, no adware on linux yet
[09:31] <yahalom> zazeem, tons
[09:31] <Seveas> xena, you'd better make that file look like http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[09:31] <qatsi> how can i get sources.list ?
[09:31] <yahalom> zazeem, i use clamav. scans my pc every night at 12.
[09:31] <zazeem> virus protection??
[09:31] <yahalom> zazeem, in order to protect my windows buddies.
[09:31] <sig> how do I tell what char set I'm using?
[09:31] <kisain> anyone?
[09:31] <zazeem> how do i get
[09:31] <Seveas> qatsi, gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:31] <yahalom> zazeem, sudo apt-get install clamav
[09:31] <yahalom> zazeem, i think
[09:31] <msieradzki> gedit not nano? :D
[09:32] <zazeem> danke
[09:32] <xena> Seveas, i m looking there. ill return. thanks
[09:32] <yahalom> zazeem, or try sudo apt-cache search anti-virus
[09:32] <Seveas> msieradzki, gedit is with gui, even better for newbies :)
[09:32] <zazeem> clamav is the best one?
[09:33] <Seveas> zazeem, on linux you generally do not need antivirus and adware removers...
[09:33] <kisain> anyone know how to use bugzilla
[09:33] <Seveas> kisain, create an account log in and submit your report
[09:33] <nakor> Can someone please help me with my usb cf/sm reader? driver=(none) shows up in /proc/bus/usb/devices for the card reader and i have the usb-storage and ide-scsi modules loaded. Query me if you can help
[09:33] <yahalom> zazeem, i think so
[09:33] <zazeem> :D
[09:33] <zazeem> thnx
[09:33] <yahalom> zazeem, most ppl will laugh at u for using one btw
[09:33] <kisain> @ www.bugzilla.com
[09:33] <nova> so lm temprature etc sensors
[09:33] <kisain> or is it diffrent
[09:33] <yahalom> zazeem, u really dont need one
[09:34] <Seveas> kisain, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[09:34] <nova> im stuck at  Then, run /etc/init.d/module-init-tools
[09:34] <nova>  in the how to guide
[09:34] <qatsi> ok, here is my sources.list http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/288585
[09:35] <kisain> thanx for the info
[09:35] <we2by> I  have a virus scanner installed
[09:35] <kisain> i coulden't figure it out
[09:35] <kisain> lol
[09:35] <zazeem> how do i see how much disk space i have left?
[09:35] <nakor> df
[09:35] <zazeem> ?
[09:35] <Seveas> zazeem, df -h /dev/hda
[09:35] <we2by> zazeem, df -h
[09:35] <Seveas> zazeem, or /dev/hdb (or whatever your drive is)
[09:36] <Seveas> qatsi, yike!
[09:36] <zazeem> 4 free :(
[09:36] <Seveas> qatsi, bad idea for a sources.list
[09:36] <zazeem> need to get rid of 80 g windows
[09:36] <J35U5> hey can anyone here help me? im trying to get vmware running
[09:36] <code1> hi all
[09:36] <Seveas> qatsi, please, in a terminal type sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:36] <kvidell> J35U5: what's up?
[09:36] <Seveas> qatsi, and make that file look like http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[09:36] <qatsi> Seveas Sorry, im so noob at this distro...i was using gentoo before...well,i sill am...
[09:36] <qatsi> Seveas ok, i will
[09:36] <J35U5> ok i got it installed and im trying to compile it. this si wehaat i get....
[09:37] <ubuntufree> got no sound with totem player but with xine,xmms.... I'm using esound
[09:37] <J35U5> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[09:37] <J35U5> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] 
[09:37] <J35U5> The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory.
[09:37] <eruin> I don't need to do anything other than "cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd image.iso" to burn the cdimage.ubuntu.com isos right?
[09:37] <kvidell> do you have the kernel headers package installed?
[09:37] <Seveas> J35U5, sudo atp-get-install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:37] <J35U5> kk
[09:37] <Seveas> apt-get install even...
[09:37] <kvidell> and also make sure that symlink is there
[09:38] <kvidell> go to /usr/src and make sure the "linux" symlink exists and is pointing at the source directory.
[09:38] <kvidell> (I've had it not be there a few times in my ubuntu explotations)
[09:38] <Dolciume> hi, i have a little problem, when i boot linux, its load Hoary Hedgehog  rather than KDE, what do that KDE load?? or it what wrong ??
[09:39] <anto9us> is there a friendly interface for grub?
[09:39] <Seveas> anto9us, grub is a friendly interface :)
[09:39] <J35U5> thanks guys that worked ^^
[09:39] <kvidell> as in the actual bootloader or a config gui?
[09:39] <kvidell> J35U5: yerp
[09:40] <Seveas> Dolciume, you're mixing up things
[09:40] <anto9us> Seveas: I mean to reconfigure my boot options without restarting
[09:40] <Dolciume> hmm kubuntu load
[09:40] <Seveas> Dolciume, you have to choose kde on the login screen from the sessions menu
[09:40] <eruin> does ubuntu-live  let you burn cds?
[09:40] <Seveas> anto9us, sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:40] <mIRCrox> hi
[09:40] <Dolciume> than come Hoary Hedgehog and i can login withe my nick
[09:40] <ubuntufree> got no sound with totem player but with xine,xmms.... I'm using esound.... any ideas
[09:40] <Seveas> no friendlier interface available
[09:40] <kvidell> eruin: If you have more than one CDRom drive, I don't see why not.
[09:41] <eruin> kvidell: but if you only have one it's a no-go?
[09:41] <eruin> I'm in trouble then :)
[09:41] <kvidell> I don't think it lets you unmount and eject the CD wihle it's running
[09:41] <toxicfume> ubuntu wouldnt display on mylaptop..can anyone help?
[09:41] <anto9us> Seveas: thanks :)
[09:41] <kvidell> that would sort of be like remoing the ram from your computer mid-stream. It kind of loses it's.. brain.
[09:41] <ubuntufree> how can I move ext3 partitions ??
[09:41] <nakor> ubuntufree, use totem-xine?
[09:41] <eruin> anyone know what dependencies cdrecord has?
[09:42] <toxicfume> where do i go for help with ubuntu?
[09:42] <kvidell> eruin: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), debconf, makedev (>= 2.3.1-24)
[09:42] <mIRCrox> I use mirc with wine youhou
[09:42] <ubuntufree> nakor, tried it with both totem-xine and totem-gstreamer
[09:42] <qatsi> Seveas: now i can do the install...thanx a lot.....:) i will have to read some stuff about the synaptinc and the repositories, cuz i know nothing about them........but thanx a lot...
[09:42] <mIRCrox> I use mirc with wine youhou
[09:42] <kvidell> (according to apt-cache show cdrecord)
[09:42] <eruin> hmm, maybe I can get it running on my non-working breezy install cd :)
[09:43] <mIRCrox> ... mirc really sux
[09:43] <eruin> wonder where I left my hoary cds :/
[09:43] <Seveas> toxicfume, please be a bit more specific...
[09:44] <eruin> woot
[09:44] <eruin> I found a warty cd
[09:44] <eruin> :D
[09:44] <eruin> thatll have to do
[09:44] <R2D2_> ubuntufree, take a look at the configuration, maybe totem is usiing ALSA or some other interface to output the sound...
[09:44] <toxicfume> Seveas: well, when i boot into ubuntu, after all the bootup process, the screen just goes blank
[09:44] <Seveas> you see all the cryptic messages go by toxicfume ?
[09:44] <toxicfume> Seveas: yes
[09:45] <toxicfume> Seveas: one thing though
[09:45] <Seveas> toxicfume, did you try the livecd ?
[09:45] <xukun> I just installed gallery on my home pc, how do I access it now?
[09:45] <toxicfume> Seveas: in the beginning of the cryptic messages, it says that PNPBIOS failed..and that i have to bootup with the pnpbios=false parameter..which i tried..but still, the screen went blank
[09:45] <toxicfume> Seveas: no i haevn't
[09:46] <Seveas> toxicfume, please try that one to see if it happens with the livecd too
[09:46] <toxicfume> Seveas: i don't have the cd..downloading will take too long :s
[09:46] <echelon> hmm one last question.
[09:46] <Seveas> toxicfume, has the display worked at all?
[09:46] <yacoob_> F1 :(
[09:47] <Seveas> or is this since the beginning
[09:47] <echelon> HOw can I see the pictures from my digital camera?
[09:47] <toxicfume> Seveas: well i saw the cryptic messages go by..so i guess it has worked
[09:47] <echelon> I got Intel PocketPC or something like that, USB connection
[09:47] <toxicfume> Seveas: i just don't see X i guess
[09:47] <yacoob_> can one really install new ubuntu release from warty live cd?
[09:47] <Seveas> toxicfume, yeah, but have you ever seen X?
[09:47] <Seveas> (i mean: on that ubuntu install)
[09:47] <toxicfume> Seveas: since i have never installed a previous distro in the laptop before, no
[09:48] <toxicfume> never
[09:48] <echelon> anyone got a clue?
[09:48] <Seveas> toxicfume, are you on that laptop now?
[09:48] <kvidell> clue? command line user experience?
[09:48] <toxicfume> Seveas: it's right besides me, i can boot it up
[09:48] <Seveas> kvidell, nice one :)
[09:48] <Seveas> toxicfume, please do
[09:48] <kvidell> ;) I try.
[09:48] <toxicfume> Seveas: okay :)
[09:49] <Seveas> and when the screen goes blank, wait a minute and press <ctrl><alt><F1>
[09:49] <Seveas> and see if you get some errors related to X
[09:49] <toxicfume> Seveas: yeah i did try getting into toher terminals earleir..but i didn't know what to do then :P
[09:49] <toxicfume> okay, lets see
[09:49] <Dolciume> how can choose the session? (to kde)
[09:49] <Seveas> toxicfume, just login and type dmesg to see errors from the kernel ;)
[09:50] <othernoob> mmh, i just burned a cd and k3b gave me a message saying that the burner or the medium doesn't support 20x, so it's switching down to 16x. but it's a 52x24x52x cdrw and a 48x cd-r ?
[09:50] <toxicfume> Seveas: okay
[09:50] <Seveas> Dolciume, in the login screen hit the sessions button and choose KDE
[09:50] <Dolciume> but i cant in kde
[09:51] <toxicfume> Seveas: okay, i typed dmesg
[09:51] <chombee> anyone seen this before - booted laptop today and music won't play, rythmbox plays a popping sound, beep-media-player just freezes, other sounds are fine. Reboot doesn't fix it
[09:51] <Seveas> any X related errors in there toxicfume ?
[09:51] <Dolciume> i have only the terminal
[09:51] <toxicfume> Seveas: Not that i can see...unless it's above what is shown
[09:52] <Seveas> toxicfume, dmesg | less
[09:52] <Seveas> then you can see more with <pgup> and <pgdn>
[09:52] <toxicfume> Seveas: okay
[09:52] <_hp_> what is a good editor for php/html development?
[09:53] <apsk121> Hey all
[09:53] <nakor> can anyone please help me with my usb cf/sm reader? driver=(none) shows up in /proc/bus/usb/devices for the card reader and i have the usb-storage and ide-scsi modules loaded.
[09:53] <xena> Seveas, same error.  Depends: g++-3.3 fakat kurulmayacak
[09:53] <xena>  Depends: gcc-3.3 fakat kurulmayacak.. "fakat kurulmayacak" means will not be installed in turkish
[09:54] <toxicfume> Seveas: i don't think i see any X related errors(i do see other related to ACPI though, but we can leave that for later)
[09:54] <Dolciume> can i change the session withe the terminal?
[09:54] <Seveas> xena, type apt-get update before you do apt-get install build-essential
[09:54] <schurig> _hp_: quanta plus
[09:55] <Seveas> toxicfume, that is weird, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and make sure the correct resolution for your laptop is selected
[09:55] <Fator_Dee> _hp_: a plain text editor :-|
[09:55] <Seveas> _hp_, vim :)
[09:55] <Fator_Dee> _hp_: with hiliting of course, so gedit
[09:55] <kisain> does anyone remeber the kernel update from today and what it was called?
[09:55] <xena> Seveas, i updated already
[09:55] <_hp_> kisain: linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[09:56] <Seveas> and -686
[09:56] <Seveas> and -k7
[09:56] <Seveas> etc...
[09:56] <kisain> how the hell do i uninstall it? it's causing my cpu not to idel(at least i think it is)
[09:56] <Seveas> xena, can you paste your sources.list again and the output of apt-get update
[09:58] <toxicfume> Seveas: my laptop is a 15.4" widescreen, whatresolution shoudl it be?
[09:58] <kisain> anyone know how to uninstall this >linux-image-2.6.10-5-386<
[09:59] <Seveas> toxicfume, no clue, check your manual ;)
[09:59] <Dolciume> how can change the session to kde without kde?? :(
[09:59] <Seveas> kisain, you can't :)
[09:59] <Seveas> Dolciume, have you installed kde??
[09:59] <kisain> damnit
[09:59] <Dolciume> yes
[09:59] <Shuddertrix> kisain, if you did, you would hose your system, because that's the kernel.
[09:59] <Shuddertrix> you can upgrade it, though
[09:59] <kisain> my cpu stopped idleing after i updated it
[09:59] <Seveas> kisain, so you have kde...
[10:00] <kisain> i have kubuntu-desktop
[10:00] <kisain> but it can
[10:00] <kisain> but it can't access my raid
[10:00] <slept> kisain,  if it's not the kernel you are using you can apt-get remove it
[10:00] <kisain> well i don't think it's kubuntu
[10:00] <Dolciume> sevas?
[10:01] <Seveas> slept, you can do it even id you are using it
[10:01] <kisain> it happend after i updated it to the new one
[10:01] <Seveas> rebooting would be hard though if you have no other kernels installed :)
[10:01] <echelon> I got Intel PocketPC or something like that, USB connection, can anyone help me operate it under linux?
[10:01] <kisain> lol
[10:01] <simple> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release.gpg...... errors? Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release ? ign? why can't i download from or update repositories
[10:01] <Seveas> Dolciume, so you have kde...
[10:01] <kisain> i just wish i could figure out exactly whats causeing this thrashing in my cpu
[10:02] <Seveas> simple, try to use archive.ubuntu.com instead of us.archive.ubuntu.com or simply wait a while
[10:02] <toxicfume> Seveas: okay, i completed the setup..what do i do now?reboot?
[10:02] <martin> hi guys, does everyone know an WMA to MP3-Converter? Lame doesn't work with WMA!
[10:02] <simple> wait because they are down?
[10:02] <simple> (:
[10:02] <simple> oops..
[10:02] <Seveas> toxicfume, try it
[10:03] <toxicfume> Seveas: okay
[10:03] <Dolciume> i can only open the console
[10:03] <Seveas> or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:03] <Seveas> Dolciume, what makes the GUI fail?
[10:03] <xena> Seveas, im updating again. i've a slow connection. i 'll paste to pastebin soon.
[10:03] <martin>  hi guys, does everyone know an WMA to MP3-Converter? Lame doesn't work with WMA
[10:03] <toxicfume> Seveas: how do i reboot? i type reboot and it says i need to be su[er user to do that
[10:03] <Dolciume> i dont now
[10:04] <toxicfume> Seveas: and when i type su, it asks for the password which i don't know.. cause i never set it :S
[10:04] <martin> does everyone know an WMA to MP3-Converter? Lame doesn't work with WMA!
[10:04] <simple> yes they're down? no they arne't?
[10:04] <Seveas> toxicfume, sudo reboot
[10:04] <Seveas> and youe your own password
[10:04] <toxicfume> Seveas: okay
[10:04] <martin> please guys
[10:04] <Seveas> toxicfume, wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:05] <psychonate> WMA to mp3 is a very bad idea unless you absolutely have to.
[10:05] <calamari> hi
[10:05] <chombee> Problem - booted laptop and music players were broken (normal sound is fine). Rhythmbox play clicky sounds. Beep-media-player just freezes on play. I changed bmp's output plugin to esd and now it works, but how can I fix rhythmbo? And why did this happen? Did something change the settings of all my media players, or did something change my sound system?
[10:05] <martin> ok, then WMA to OGG or sthing. just NO wma
[10:05] <martin> do you know a program that works psychonate?
[10:06] <psychonate> WMA to vorbis is just as bad
[10:06] <martin> ok, tell me a program plse
[10:06] <psychonate> Converting any lossy codec to another lossy codec is generally not good
[10:06] <Seveas> wma actually has good quality
[10:06] <martin> i've got a lot of music in WMA from my old windows-pc and amaroK can't change TAGS of WMA
[10:06] <psychonate> It's still a lossy codec though, is it not?
[10:06] <martin> yes
[10:07] <Hoxzer^^> we should all rape martin
[10:07] <Seveas> Hoxzer^^, language...
[10:07] <psychonate> I don't want AIDS.
[10:07] <martin> it's just because i can't change the stupid TAGS
[10:07] <psychonate> ;)
[10:07] <Hoxzer^^> raping is good :)
[10:07] <psychonate> martin, Do you own the CDs?
[10:07] <Hoxzer^^> specially if men is raping men
[10:07] <martin> yes
[10:07] <psychonate> Why not rip them again into something like Vorbis.
[10:07] <toxicfume> Seveas: nah, still blank
[10:07] <Seveas> Hoxzer^^, please keep the code of conduct in mind...
[10:07] <martin> because it's a lot of work
[10:08] <echelon> Hmmm, can I set the computer to startup at some time?
[10:08] <Seveas> toxicfume, file a bug with your video card & monitor specs then, i cannot help you any further dince i'm not a dev. Sorry
[10:08] <psychonate> You think that converting all those WMAs will be better?
[10:08] <Seveas> echelon, depends on your BIOS
[10:08] <simple> are you sure? okay really, yes i agree, yup, awesome k thakns...
[10:08] <toxicfume> Seveas: np then, thanks a lot:)
[10:08] <Seveas> echelon, it's not something OS related
[10:08] <martin> yes! because of the TAGS
[10:08] <Dolciume> Seveas, at loaded linux, it come suddenly Hoary Hedgehog Linux tty1, than stand there login: (my name) pw... and i'm in console
[10:08] <martin> for amaroK-Player
[10:08] <slept> martin, you can use xmms diskwriter plugin if xmms is capable of wma. I never had any wma files.
[10:08] <Seveas> Dolciume, try <ctrl><alt><f7> there
[10:09] <Oly> hi i tried to dist-upgrade but i am getting an error about twm not being configured ?
[10:09] <Oly> whats the command to confuigure it ?
[10:09] <Dolciume> ok thank you :)
[10:09] <martin> amaroK can't change tags of WMA-Files. i'ts just because of the tags
[10:09] <_hp_> i just installed enlightenment and it does not show up in sessions thing
[10:09] <psychonate> So, you want to convert all your WMAs because of the tags
[10:10] <martin> yes
[10:10] <martin> and i want to play them with amarok
[10:10] <martin> otherwise i don't see the names of the tracks
[10:10] <slept> martin, you will lose quality
[10:10] <Seveas> Oly, dpkg --configure twm
[10:10] <martin> yes, it doesnt matter
[10:10] <martin> or tell me how to change tags with amaroK
[10:10] <martin> that'll be another solution
[10:11] <psychonate> My vote is for ripping all the CDs again heh
[10:11] <Oly> yeah i tried that except i dont know where the packages are stored
[10:11] <Oly> nope that was not it
[10:11] <Oly> it comes up with an error i new it did not work for some reason
[10:12] <Oly> update-alternatives: slave link name /usr/share/man/man1/x-window-manager.1.gz duplicated
[10:12] <martin> but it's just because of the tags, do you know a "tool" or "plugin" for changing tags with amaroK?
[10:12] <Oly> got that error, not sure what needs to be done to fix that
[10:12] <psychonate> for WMA files?
[10:12] <Oly> not encountered it before
[10:12] <martin> yes
[10:12] <ubuntufree> how can I move ext3 partitions ??
[10:12] <fazer> Hi there, I installed Ubuntu on another bigger hard drive, but Ubuntu seems to slow down hell of a lot when I have more than 3 apps open.
[10:12] <fazer> This didn't happen with my older hard drive
[10:12] <fazer> any thoughts?
[10:13] <psychonate> WMA is popular solely among WIndows users in WIndows. I'm not sure how many people would write tag editors for WMA in *nix.
[10:13] <ubuntu> hey is ubuntu RPM
[10:13] <mjr> ubuntufree, (g)parted
[10:13] <Seveas> ubuntu is deb
[10:13] <ubuntu> is slax RPM
[10:13] <psychonate> There might be some, but they could be hard to find.
[10:13] <Seveas> Oly, read the manpage or update-alternatives
[10:13] <mjr> slackware is tgz
[10:13] <fazer> crimsun: Hey, what's up?
[10:13] <martin> ok... then i have to delete all the WMA-Songs
[10:13] <Seveas> Oly, thight might give some clue about what goes wrong
[10:13] <ubuntu> whats a live cd that is RPM
[10:13] <ubuntu> and i was talking about slax
[10:13] <martin> because i don't want to use another player
[10:13] <fazer> ubuntu: why do you want RPM?
[10:13] <athlon> suse maybe
[10:13] <martin> thanks for the help!
[10:13] <Seveas> Oly, i think the error is that the configure script does an update-alternatives --install
[10:14] <fazer> ubuntu: use 'alien' in ubuntu
[10:14] <Oly> okay did not realise update-alternatives was a command :p
[10:14] <Seveas> with an erroneous argument
[10:14] <slept> martin , did you google
[10:14] <ubuntu> cuase i want to use limewire on it'
[10:14] <fazer> ubuntu: I am using Limewire fine in Ubuntu
[10:14] <psychonate> I'm just telling it how it is.
[10:14] <athlon> ubuntu, slax is based on slackware so afaik it uses tgz
[10:14] <fazer> ubuntu: use alien to conver it to a deb
[10:14] <ubuntufree> mjr, gparted 0.0.8 does not support moving ext3 partitions:  http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php
[10:14] <ubuntu> i thought it was just for linux RPM
[10:14] <ubuntu> limewire
[10:15] <ubuntu> whatever ill try it anyways
[10:15] <psychonate> X is my enemy.
[10:15] <ubuntu> can you install programs while runing the live cd
[10:15] <_kevin> is there a program or a way to break a large mp3 into tracks, witht eh cue file... like b4 i used to rip some of my albums as backup and i used EAC a program ot create a large mp3 file with a cue file tell me the track info... and i used a program mp3directcut to breka into tracks
[10:16] <Goonie> can anyone tell me why dual monitor stopped working when I upgraded from warty to hoary? I'm using a laptop and plugging a monitor in the vga connector
[10:16] <_kevin> but now on linux is there another program to break those mp3s into tracks with cue file
[10:16] <mjr> ubuntufree, oh right
[10:16] <Seveas> Goonie, exactly because of that
[10:16] <ubuntu> can you install programs while runing the live cd
[10:16] <psychonate> I've had this problem twice where I idle for a while, and when I come back, X is very very slow, and my CPU usage is very very high.
[10:16] <Seveas> monitors in vga connectors are not properly detectable
[10:16] <slept> ubuntu, yes you can chroot into your system
[10:16] <Seveas> monitors in vga connectors of laptops are not properly detectable
[10:17] <Goonie> Seveas~ but it worked fine on warty....
[10:17] <ubuntu> but i dont have any OS installed on the hd is that still ok
[10:17] <Seveas> ubuntu, yes, but remember that it is installed into memory
[10:17] <ubuntu> oh alright
[10:17] <ubuntu> cool
[10:17] <ubuntu> so when i restart it will be gone right
[10:17] <psychonate> I don't know why it happens, but I end up restarting X.
[10:17] <Seveas> Goonie, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to get it working again on hoary
[10:17] <Seveas> ubuntu, yes
[10:17] <ubuntu> alright thanks
[10:18] <Seveas> psychonate, do you know which program takes up so much cpu cycles??
[10:18] <slept> it might be update-de
[10:18] <xena> Seveas,
[10:18] <xena> Seveas,  http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/288632
[10:18] <slept> b
[10:18] <psychonate> I had checked, but I don't really remember. I think in top X was listed as the program with the highest CPU usage.
[10:19] <psychonate> I'll make an effort to check next time.
[10:19] <psychonate> methinks it will happen again eventually
[10:19] <kisain> your having a cpu problem too?
[10:19] <nova> brb reboot
[10:19] <psychonate> not in general
[10:19] <psychonate> just in this situation
[10:20] <Seveas> xena, can you try: apt-get install g++ and see what that does
[10:20] <nova> brb reboot
[10:20] <kisain> whats yours doin?
[10:20] <Hawaii-Boy> anyone from DK??
[10:20] <kisain> i can't seem to get mine to idel
[10:20] <psychonate> dunno bout that
[10:21] <nikolaus> someone can hep me with glade# (Mono...) under ubuntu, always get this message: libglade-critical **: glade_xml_build_interface: assertion `wid != NULL' failed
[10:21] <shido6> ok
[10:21] <xena> Seveas, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/288635
[10:21] <shido6> I just installed a 686 smp image
[10:22] <shido6> did they fix the dma issue?
[10:22] <Seveas> xena, next step: apt-get install gcc
[10:22] <kisain> whats getty?
[10:22] <kisain> it's in my sysmon
[10:23] <kisain> running six times
[10:23] <Seveas> kisain, the program that runs your console
[10:23] <Seveas> and since there are 6 consoles, it runs 6 times
[10:23] <xena> Seveas, gcc is already the newest version.
[10:23] <Seveas> does it say that or do you know that xena ?
[10:23] <kisain> oh
[10:24] <kisain> i'm tryin to find what could be causing the cpu problems
[10:24] <kisain> can you give me some ideas where to look?
[10:24] <xena> Seveas, it says
[10:24] <Seveas> xena, dpkg -l *gcc*
[10:24] <Seveas> and paste it on the pastebin please
[10:25] <kisain> i wonder if the computer is looking for something and it can't find it
[10:25] <Seveas> kisain, what does top give you?
[10:26] <kisain> alot of stuff that appears to be needed
[10:26] <xena> Seveas, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/288640
[10:26] <kisain> the only thing is the cpu values seem to be higher
[10:26] <linuxboy> does the ubuntu cd player upload CDDB info i type in?
[10:26] <rickard> is there an update for gaim for ubuntu somewhere?
[10:27] <kisain> will paste to pastebin
[10:28] <kisain> http://pastebin.com/288643
[10:28] <Seveas> xena, where did you get gcc from? breezy?
[10:28] <Seveas> or even worse, are you running breezy??
[10:28] <Dolciume> seveas, it not go :(
[10:29] <xena> seveas whatis breezy?
[10:29] <Seveas> next ubuntu version
[10:29] <Seveas> gcc 3.3.6 is not in the lates stable
[10:29] <MonkeyBonkey> yo
[10:29] <MonkeyBonkey> i gots a ?
[10:29] <Seveas> and somehow you have it installed
[10:29] <Seveas> from where>>
[10:29] <Seveas> ??
[10:30] <MonkeyBonkey> hey i just installed ubuntu and i got Icewm on a cd now how would i go installing it
[10:30] <MonkeyBonkey> what whould i type in the command promp
[10:30] <xena> how can i learn the name of distro ? i have taken cd from my friend Seveas ..
[10:30] <[ADULT_SWIM] > any idea whats causing the cpu values to be higher than normal?
[10:30] <Seveas> xena, cat /etc/issue
[10:30] <xena> Seveas, lol:)
[10:30] <MonkeyBonkey>  hey i just installed ubuntu and i got Icewm on a cd now how would i go installing it
[10:30] <xena> firat@ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/issue
[10:30] <xena> Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" Development Branch \n \l
[10:31] <MonkeyBonkey> like what would i type
[10:31] <Seveas> xena, yeah, that's crap
[10:31] <Seveas> xena, reinstall your system and use a hoary cd
[10:31] <Seveas> read the topic of this channel :)
[10:31] <MonkeyBonkey>  hey i just installed ubuntu and i got Icewm on a cd now how would i go installing it
[10:31] <sublime_> este canal es espaol, soy nuevo
[10:31] <MonkeyBonkey>  hey i just installed ubuntu and i got Icewm on a cd now how would i go installing it
[10:31] <MonkeyBonkey>  hey i just installed ubuntu and i got Icewm on a cd now how would i go installing it
[10:31] <Seveas> sublime_, #ubuntu-es
[10:31] <[ADULT_SWIM] > stop spamming
[10:31] <MonkeyBonkey> sorry
[10:31] <sublime_> thanks
[10:31] <xena> Seveas, :) thanks for help. i m new to lnux. it is all my friend fault. sorry again
[10:31] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ^_^
[10:31] <Fator_Dee> MonkeyBonkey: install from the repository
[10:31] <MonkeyBonkey> wtf
[10:32] <MonkeyBonkey> whats that
[10:32] <LinuxJones> MonkeyBonkey, have a look at www.ubuntuguide.org see the section about adding universe then, type sudo apt-get update && apt-get install xfce4
[10:32] <firat_> thanks xena friends
[10:32] <Seveas> MonkeyBonkey, stop repeating, read the manual for synaptic and use that
[10:32] <sublime_> join #ubuntu-es
[10:32] <MonkeyBonkey> i have no internet on it
[10:32] <MonkeyBonkey> the computer i have ubuntu on i have no internet
[10:32] <LinuxJones> MonkeyBonkey, what files are listed on the cd you have ?
[10:32] <toxicfume> how do i get ubuntu working on my laptop? my laptop's native screens resolution is 1280x800, which is not displayed in x's configuration
[10:32] <Dolciume> ....
[10:32] <Dolciume> Starting deferred execution sheduler...
[10:32] <Dolciume> Starting periodic command sheduler...
[10:32] <Dolciume> Checking battery state....
[10:32] <Dolciume> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Linux tty1
[10:32] <Dolciume> Linux Login:
[10:33] <Dolciume> Password:
[10:33] <Dolciume> (Name)@linux:"$
[10:33] <Dolciume> that come : /
[10:33] <yacoob_> *sigh*
[10:33] <Seveas> Dolciume, DO NOT paste here
[10:33] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ditto
[10:33] <littleworm> how do i install fonts?
[10:33] <LinuxJones> omg fellas you can't jsut paste stuff in here :)
[10:33] <MonkeyBonkey> i just have icewm.tar
[10:33] <Dolciume> ok
[10:33] <nakor> can anyone please help me with my usb cf/sm reader? driver=(none) shows up in /proc/bus/usb/devices for the card reader and i have the usb-storage and ide-scsi modules loaded.
[10:33] <littleworm> how do i install fonts?
[10:33] <Seveas> MonkeyBonkey, throw that out and dowload the deb files from archive.ubuntu.com
[10:33] <LinuxJones> MonkeyBonkey, is it possible to connect your computer to the Internet ?
[10:33] <MonkeyBonkey> u mean the rpms,,, No i cant conenct to internet
[10:34] <[ADULT_SWIM] > wow starts hitting spammers with fly swatter whack whack
[10:34] <Seveas> MonkeyBonkey, no rpms, deb files
[10:34] <MonkeyBonkey> ya
[10:34] <MonkeyBonkey> i have thouse
[10:34] <MonkeyBonkey> they in the tar
[10:34] <Seveas> ah
[10:34] <MonkeyBonkey> its instal .sh
[10:34] <MonkeyBonkey> now how would i run that
[10:34] <Seveas> MonkeyBonkey, no, that's not a debfile *sigh*
[10:34] <MonkeyBonkey> sudo (directory) instal.sh
[10:34] <othernoob> littleworm: use synaptic and search for font
[10:34] <MonkeyBonkey> why do i need deb file
[10:34] <[ADULT_SWIM] > sudo ./<filename>.sh
[10:34] <Fator_Dee> debfile is a .deb, not .rpm, not .sh, but .deb
[10:34] <toxicfume> any devs here? I need help with running ubuntu on my laptop, i'mhaving a plethora of problems
[10:35] <MonkeyBonkey> but why do i need a deb file
[10:35] <MonkeyBonkey> why can i just do the .sh install
[10:35] <Seveas> MonkeyBonkey, because that's the ubuntu way of installing things
[10:35] <othernoob> Fator_Dee: are you absolutely sure ;)
[10:35] <xena> Seveas, sorry and thanks again. im going to install hoary now. bye
[10:35] <Fator_Dee> othernoob: omg, no that you asked, I think I'm not!
[10:35] <Fator_Dee> *now
[10:35] <Seveas> MonkeyBonkey, if you want you can simply open a terminal and type: sudo sh install.sh
[10:35] <Seveas> MonkeyBonkey, but that's not the standard way
[10:35] <othernoob> OoO
[10:35] <MonkeyBonkey> whats the dif
[10:35] <[ADULT_SWIM] > so noone has any ide whats making my cpu values higher than normal?
[10:36] <MonkeyBonkey> spyware
[10:36] <MonkeyBonkey> ?
[10:36] <MonkeyBonkey> lol
[10:36] <Seveas> MonkeyBonkey, debfiles integrate nicely into your system
[10:36] <MonkeyBonkey> oh
[10:36] <Seveas> install.sh things don't
[10:36] <MonkeyBonkey> http://www.icewm.org/icewm-1_2_13.php
[10:36] <MonkeyBonkey> which one
[10:36] <Seveas> debfiles also make upgrading and dependencies easiet
[10:36] <[ADULT_SWIM] > not likely to my knowledge there isen't much spyware for linux
[10:36] <Seveas> easier
[10:36] <slept> MonkeyBonkey, you can but the deb package management is nice you can remove /  update better
[10:36] <LinuxJones> [ADULT_SWIM] , have you recently installed ubuntu-desktop or any new services ?
[10:36] <keffo> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30510
[10:36] <osh> Is there a java in som ubuntu repository or is the only way to get it from java.sun.com?
[10:36] <keffo> anyone tired this
[10:36] <keffo> ?
[10:37] <MonkeyBonkey> which one http://www.icewm.org/icewm-1_2_13.php
[10:37] <Fator_Dee> [ADULT_SWIM] : do you use frequency scaling on your cpu? (or what was that thing called)
[10:37] <othernoob> osh in synaptic-development (non free
[10:37] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i have no idea what that is
[10:38] <[ADULT_SWIM] > or if i am using it
[10:38] <osh> there's a "non-free" repository to add?
[10:38] <Fator_Dee> [ADULT_SWIM] : it changes your Mhz according to the need of processes
[10:38] <MonkeyBonkey> hmmmm
[10:38] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ok if i do have that i haveno idea how do i tell?
[10:38] <Seveas> MonkeyBonkey, can you hold on for a second please
[10:38] <slept> osh , restricted
[10:38] <Fator_Dee> [ADULT_SWIM] : so I thought that it might show your processes taking up the cpu more than before, because it has scaled it down
[10:39] <Fator_Dee> [ADULT_SWIM] : sorry, but I don't know *that* :-\
[10:39] <slept> osh , sory didn't read the lines you typed before
[10:39] <diana_> hello everyone
[10:39] <[ADULT_SWIM] > damnit
[10:39] <[ADULT_SWIM] >  have a cheapy intell celeron
[10:39] <MonkeyBonkey> hehe
[10:39] <diana_> hello
[10:39] <MonkeyBonkey> AMD 64 is the way to go
[10:39] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it's a coppermine
[10:40] <[ADULT_SWIM] > does that matter?
[10:40] <diana_> hello amonkey
[10:40] <ubuntufree> I'm searching a two panel graphical file manager. Any suggestions ?
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> [ADULT_SWIM] : I really don't know
[10:40] <amonkey> what command should i use if i want to copy an entire drive to another one? cp * -r didn't seem to get everything. and is there a way to make sure it copied right?
[10:40] <MonkeyBonkey> hi
[10:40] <Seveas> MonkeyBonkey, are you on x86 or amd64?
[10:40] <Latis-WorX> is there any easy way to install my laserprinter? (HP IIP Plus)
[10:40] <MonkeyBonkey> x86 on my crappy comuter
[10:40] <diana_> anyone wanna talk
[10:40] <MonkeyBonkey> new computer im getting is amd64
[10:40] <torture> sure
[10:40] <torture> talk
[10:41] <[ADULT_SWIM] >  um dating services down the hall to the left
[10:41] <diana_> just got ubuntu on my pc......any got tips
[10:41] <psychonate> hmm, yasis won't load
[10:41] <[ADULT_SWIM] > lol
[10:41] <[ADULT_SWIM] > j/k
[10:41] <osh> slept: So which is the one to get? java2-common?
[10:41] <psychonate> This displeases me :(
[10:41] <amonkey> diana_: stick with it, it's worth it after you get it working the way you want it too
[10:41] <Seveas> osh: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[10:41] <psychonate> If anyone is bored and using xchat, try this script: http://soul.f2o.org/soul/irc/yasis-2.9a.pl.
[10:42] <diana_> amonkey: yep ges so
[10:42] <nova> psyonate whats it do?
[10:42] <osh> Seveas: ...and they say that ubuntu is Linux for human beings. ;-)
[10:42] <psychonate> It's a system/xmms script for xchat
[10:42] <Mez> to reconfigure xorg it's sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:42] <Mez> right?
[10:42] <torture> other dists are for aliens?
[10:42] <Seveas> osh, yeah but java isn't ;)
[10:42] <osh> Seveas: Thanks for the hint. I'll do what you said. =)
[10:42] <Seveas> Mez, yes
[10:42] <ubuntufree> I'm searching a two panel graphical file manager. Any suggestions ?
[10:42] <Mez> good,.
[10:42] <psychonate> I used to use an older version on another distro, but I can't get this version to work on Ubuntu
[10:42] <Mez> I thought so
[10:42] <psychonate> I want to know if it's just me
[10:42] <diana_> is there anu good games on the marked???
[10:43] <Mez> I was just wondering why there were 5 replies to a topic on the forums saying someone had to reinstall to reconfigure Xorg
[10:43] <diana_> any
[10:43] <torture> hi diana
[10:43] <uniq> ubuntufree: gentoo (the filemanager) is very configureable and advanced.. krusader rocks for kde.. that's my $0.2
[10:43] <diana_> torture_:hi
[10:43] <slept> diana_, kobodeluxe
[10:43] <ubuntufree> uniq: no kde please
[10:43] <torture> diana, wazzup ..ubuntu works alright for you ?
[10:44] <amonkey> what command should i use to copy and check one folder (recursivly) to another?
[10:44] <diana_> torture: just got it saturday
[10:44] <Seveas> amonkey, what do you mean with check?
[10:44] <nova> um k now how to fire off the script heh
[10:44] <amonkey> Seveas: it's not really neccesary, but i'd like to know it copied alright
[10:44] <psychonate> nova, Window>Plugins>Load
[10:44] <ubuntufree> how can I move ext3 partition ?
[10:44] <MonkeyBonkey> how would i go about changing the default window manager to icewm instead of Gnome?
[10:45] <slept> amonkey, you can du -a > filename and compare the both lists with diff
[10:45] <torture> diana: cool .. about the same here....using kde or gnome ?
[10:45] <diana_> kde i think.....
[10:45] <Seveas> amonkey, cp -r old_folder new_folder
[10:45] <MonkeyBonkey> what
[10:45] <MonkeyBonkey> explain seveas
[10:45] <ubuntufree> uniq: thanks gentoo looks cool, got to inspect it
[10:45] <amonkey> Seveas: i tried that, it didn't seem to get everything
[10:45] <nova> yeh loaded
[10:45] <Seveas> MonkeyBonkey, hi, download http://kaarsemaker.net/~dennis/ice.tar.gz
[10:45] <nova> but not seeing how to trigger the script
[10:46] <Seveas> MonkeyBonkey, it contains the icewm .deb files
[10:46] <MonkeyBonkey> k
[10:46] <MonkeyBonkey> now how do i install it
[10:46] <psychonate> nova, join #test and type /yasis
[10:46] <psychonate> nova, /yasis should do it
[10:46] <Seveas> put that on your ubuntu machine, extract the archive and run dpkg -i *.deb
[10:46] <LinuxJones> amonkey, then you don't have permissions to some files/directories
[10:46] <MonkeyBonkey> u mean in comand prompt ype dpkg-i*.deb
[10:46] <_kevin> if i download a file fromt eh web and it's tar.gz how would i install it on ubuntu
[10:46] <nova> no go
[10:46] <nova> hmm
[10:46] <diana_> turture: no sorry my mistake GNOME
[10:47] <Seveas> MonkeyBonkey, yes, bith with spaces
[10:47] <Seveas> dpkg -i *.deb
[10:47] <psychonate> nova, that makes two of us
[10:47] <Fator_Dee> _kevin: there should be a readme file in it
[10:47] <MonkeyBonkey> now how would i run Icewm
[10:47] <MonkeyBonkey> ?
[10:47] <psychonate> nova, it's not listed in my plugins window, so I'm assuming it didn't load correctly
[10:47] <Seveas> MonkeyBonkey, in the login screen you can then choose icewm
[10:47] <MonkeyBonkey> k
[10:47] <MonkeyBonkey> Thanks
[10:47] <nova> yeh same hmm
[10:47] <LinuxJones> _kevin, is it an application ?
[10:47] <psychonate> nova, I enjoy the error message xchat gives me...
[10:47] <nova> maybe needs to be loaded at xchat start up
[10:47] <psychonate> which is none at all
[10:47] <dj> i am l33t r0x0r$ man
[10:48] <psychonate> (when trying to load the plugin that is)
[10:48] <_kevin> poc-0.4.1.tar.gz
[10:48] <_kevin> it's a program
[10:48] <MonkeyBonkey> i just had Vector linux installed but the file manager was all f-ed up and it wouldent run .deb files
[10:48] <LinuxJones> poc what is that ?
[10:48] <torture> monkeybonkey: why vector linux... ?
[10:48] <Fator_Dee> _kevin: extract the file and there should be a readme file with instructions
[10:48] <MonkeyBonkey> its really fast
[10:48] <amonkey> LinuxJones: i should have permissions, it's a storage drive. would a chown root * -r, and chmod 777 * -r work?
[10:48] <_kevin> a bunch of mp3 tools to breaka  mp3 file into tracks with a cue file
[10:48] <_kevin> there is
[10:48] <_kevin> I'm reading it
[10:48] <Fator_Dee> _kevin: ok
[10:48] <MonkeyBonkey> because the comp im running ubuntu on right now is like crappy
[10:49] <MonkeyBonkey> its only 466mhz with 128ram
[10:49] <torture> monkeybonkey: ubuntu/kubuntu is fast enough , no ?
[10:49] <_kevin> All the tools in the poc package can be compiled using GNU make.
[10:49] <_kevin> The tools have been tested under MacOSX, Cygwin and Linux.
[10:49] <diana_> how about swg..... any versions for linux?????
[10:49] <MonkeyBonkey> Kubuntu is like a hog cuz it has KD
[10:49] <MonkeyBonkey> KDE
[10:49] <psychonate> MonkeyBonkey, Vector Linux is based on Slackware AFAIK. Why would it use deb files?
[10:49] <MonkeyBonkey> lol
[10:49] <MonkeyBonkey> i dunno
[10:49] <LinuxJones> amonkey, or you can use sudo cp -R /dir/  /newdir/
[10:49] <MonkeyBonkey> For what Linux Jones?
[10:50] <Gabriel> Does Mac-On-Linux requires a prior installation of Mac OS or I can install it within Linux after?
[10:50] <MonkeyBonkey> ehmm
[10:50] <diana_> any swg versions for linux / ubuntu????
[10:51] <slept> what is swg
[10:51] <MonkeyBonkey> :(|)
[10:51] <yacoob_> 0 packages upgraded, 623 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
[10:51] <MonkeyBonkey> is swg, swg
[10:51] <diana_> star wars galaxies
[10:51] <yacoob_> looks like I made it through :)
[10:51] <MonkeyBonkey> hahah
[10:51] <Shuddertrix> Gabriel, try asking #MOL ?
[10:51] <yacoob_> (from knoppix live CD, because hoary live cd was lacking gcc 8)
[10:51] <Gabriel> Shuddertrix, ok thanks
[10:51] <MonkeyBonkey> have any of u tryed DSL, Damn Small Linux
[10:51] <psychonate> diana_, I believe you can play that under Cedega.
[10:51] <LinuxJones> _kevin, it would be tar xfzv filename.tar.gz to unzip it...usually there is a readme in one of the directories to tell you how to compile.
[10:51] <MonkeyBonkey> Its linux os and its like 50 MB
[10:52] <psychonate> yes
[10:52] <_kevin> can i send yout he readme file?
[10:52] <MonkeyBonkey> how is it
[10:52] <diana_> psychomate_:what is cedega????
[10:52] <psychonate> it's...minimal heh
[10:52] <psychonate> nice, but minimal
[10:52] <MonkeyBonkey> cedega runs windows games on linux
[10:52] <LinuxJones> _kevin, I don't do dcc :)
[10:52] <Funraiser> Seveas, just to let u know: to get firestater to start directly on startup one has to do edit the file etc/sudoers and add the following at the end: username ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/firestarter
[10:52] <_kevin> ok
[10:52] <Seveas> Funraiser, i know that
[10:52] <rj_> anyone know what username/password cups uses to login to http://localhost:631 to add a printer
[10:52] <psychonate> diana_, /join #cedega or visit www.transgaming.com
[10:52] <_kevin> All the tools in the poc package can be compiled using GNU make.
[10:52] <rj_> root's user/pass does not work.
[10:53] <Seveas> but it's unneccessary to start firestarter
[10:53] <Fator_Dee> _kevin: if there's no instructions on how to actually compile it, it's usually done bu "./configure && make && make install"
[10:53] <_kevin> what does that mean
[10:53] <Fator_Dee> *bu=by
[10:53] <diana_> psychomate_:how do i get it
[10:53] <_kevin> it says i can complie using GNU make
[10:53] <MonkeyBonkey> BRB
[10:53] <psychonate> diana_, well, it's commercial; you pay for it. However, there are ways to get it/make it for free.
[10:53] <Fator_Dee> _kevin: and that line is to be executed on the directory in which you extracted the files
[10:53] <psychonate> diana_, one of these ways is illegal, and I will not mention it lol
[10:54] <LinuxJones> _kevin, that is a mp3/streaming server
[10:54] <_kevin> yes
[10:54] <Funraiser> Seveas, err...that's what i asked u this morning and u said that was not necessary to launch firestarter, that it was running...(?)
[10:54] <psychonate> diana_, the other way- there are scripts that can fetch the source and compile it for you
[10:54] <foodcoman> whois buj
[10:54] <_kevin> but i only want the mp3/cue file splitting tools into
[10:54] <_kevin> in it*
[10:54] <psychonate> diana_, it's easiest just to pay if you can
[10:54] <LinuxJones> _kevin, ahh you have 1 large mp3 you want to split up ?
[10:54] <_kevin> yes
[10:55] <_kevin> i havea  cue file
[10:55] <_kevin> with the tracks info
[10:55] <diana_> okay great thanks
[10:55] <LinuxJones> _kevin, there are very good sound editing tools like Audacity that you can use to accomplish the same thing without having to compile anything
[10:55] <Mez> argh
[10:55] <psychonate> There is mp3split
[10:55] <MonkeyBonkey> back
[10:55] <ubuntufree> I do uninstall packages with synaptic but there is less space on the disk than before. Can one explain this ?
[10:55] <psychonate> dunno about using it with cues
[10:56] <diana_> psychomate_: any other tips on how to use ubuntu
[10:56] <Funraiser> Seveas, thanks for your help
[10:56] <Mez> I'm on windows and keep liek - goin to the top of the screen to try and load up a root terminal and edit my files
[10:56] <_kevin> can audacity use cue files to split
[10:56] <_kevin> Cue file is just a text file with information for where to cut the tracks
[10:56] <MonkeyBonkey> whats better, Lilo or Grub boot loader
[10:56] <Dave2|Laptop> I prefer grub
[10:56] <MonkeyBonkey> mmmmm Grub
[10:57] <MonkeyBonkey> *monkey
[10:57] <psychonate> _kevin, I just checked mp3splt. It can use a cue file for splitting.
[10:57] <MonkeyBonkey> how u do that purple writeing thing
[10:57] <_kevin> ohh where can i get this tool
[10:57] <MonkeyBonkey> how do u do this * LarstiQ vastly prefers grub
[10:58] <LinuxJones> _kevin, psychonate has the answer for you :)
[10:58] <psychonate> _kevin, 'sudo apt-get install mp3splt'
[10:58] <MonkeyBonkey> quote "er"
[10:58] <MonkeyBonkey> damn
[10:58] <LarstiQ> MonkeyBonkey: /me vastly prefers grub
[10:58] <MonkeyBonkey> ah
[10:58] <MonkeyBonkey> sorry
[10:58] <_kevin> sudo apt-get install mp3split ?
[10:58] <_kevin> were u missing the i
[10:58] <psychonate> no no
[10:58] <psychonate> no "i"
[10:58] <_kevin> ohh ok
[10:58] <_kevin> thanks
[10:58] <psychonate> np, gl
[10:59] <othernoob> why does it want to install libsensors3 if i want to remove ksensors, lm-sensors, sensord?
[10:59] <psychonate> _kevin, you want the -c option it seems
[11:00] <_kevin> psychonate once it finishes set up what si the command i use to access the program
[11:00] <keffo> I saw at ubuntuforums, something like.. "how to get some more out of yer harddrives.." anyone done that? could it be "dangerous" ;P
[11:00] <psychonate> mp3splt
[11:00] <_kevin> ahh
[11:00] <keffo> there shuld be an avisplit
[11:00] <keffo> ;P
[11:00] <psychonate> keffo, I believe there is
[11:00] <psychonate> keffo, part of the transcode package AFAIK
[11:01] <psychonate> keffo, affirmative, it is part of the transcode package
[11:01] <keffo> yes, i know.. but I fuxed up whole transcode thingie.. and got mad, and throwed it into teh sea
[11:01] <keffo> ;P
[11:01] <psychonate> How did you mess it up?
[11:01] <psychonate> Use the Marillat repository
[11:01] <keffo> oh
[11:01] <keffo> you may give em to me? ;P
[11:02] <Latis-WorX> is there any good cd-burning software which I can burn my mp3s to regular audiocds?
[11:02] <stuNNed> can still use the Marilla repo with Hoary as debian unstable changes?
[11:02] <_kevin> psychonate where is the option to select which directory to put the split files in
[11:02] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, WTH ?  where have you been :) ?
[11:02] <slept> Latis-WorX, mp3burn
[11:02] <psychonate> keffo, add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[11:02] <Latis-WorX> slept, ok, thx
[11:02] <keffo> tank you
[11:02] <_kevin> there is gnome-baker
[11:02] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: study :)
[11:03] <Latis-WorX> slept, is there any which can be apt-getted? :)
[11:03] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, and you awade blenderworld ?
[11:03] <Latis-WorX> cba to install a source atm :P
[11:03] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: s/blender/internet/
[11:03] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, btw...nice to see you
[11:03] <psychonate> _kevin, -d
[11:03] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, eh ?
[11:03] <keffo> psychonate, one queston, will there be instability etc.. if i do apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade with that source added?
[11:03] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: I avoided the entire internet
[11:03] <psychonate> _kevin, ALL the options are in 'man mp3splt'
[11:03] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: nice to see you too, how are you nowadays?
[11:03] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, I should too :P
[11:03] <slept> Latis-WorX, it's in universe
[11:04] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, still trying to get a decent job :-\
[11:04] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, and now admin at Elsyiun
[11:04] <Latis-WorX> slept, its a commandline app :S :)
[11:04] <_kevin> ohh alright thanks
[11:04] <Latis-WorX> I want a graphical one :)
[11:04] <keffo> ztonzy, you mean Elysium?
[11:04] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, still mod at blender.org though...
[11:04] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: ah, grats
[11:04] <ztonzy> keffo, no
[11:04] <keffo> ok :p
[11:04] <ztonzy> keffo, www.elysiun.com
[11:04] <IFRFLYR> Anyone know how to set helper apps in Thunderbird; I set attached pdfs to open with something silly and want to fix it.
[11:05] <keffo> oh, thought you talked about something else ;P
[11:05] <pvanhoof> WOW
[11:05] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, hehe thanks...was some months ago
[11:05] <ztonzy> keffo, it is very close yes
[11:05] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: I've been out since september or so?
[11:05] <psychonate> keffo, I don't believe so. I've not have problems with it so far, but I've not used 'apt-get update' or 'apt-get dist-upgrade.' I'm sort of new to Ubuntu, and I do most things through synaptic.
[11:05] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: the academic year is nearly finished, I'll be back :)
[11:05] <pvanhoof> just fixed my x-window-system after an upgrade on breezy
[11:05] <pvanhoof> DUDE
[11:05] <ztonzy> keffo, soon to be blenderartists.org (or *artist.org
[11:06] <keffo> ill have a watch
[11:06] <pvanhoof> you guys got the complete font system wrong
[11:06] <psychonate> keffo, many people use that repository though
[11:06] <keffo> or look* you might say
[11:06] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, scchweeet, wee need a expert in linux
[11:06] <keffo> okok
[11:06] <othernoob> why does kynaptic want to install libsensors3 if i want to remove ksensors, lm-sensors, sensord?
[11:06] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: oh?
[11:07] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, I got chroot for building linux, bot another guy does it too...but it seems my isn't *that* needed
[11:08] <ztonzy> bot=but*
[11:09] <psychonate> keffo, btw, you can also use avidemux to split AVIs
[11:09] <psychonate> though I *usually* prefer avisplit
[11:10] <psychonate> _kevin, did mp3splt work alright?
[11:10] <k31th> Raskall: dude hows your site going
[11:12] <amonkey> what's teh command to format /dev/hdc1 as ext3?
[11:12] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, so when is studies ended...in couple of weeks ? and btw... 2.37 is about to get released
[11:12] <mjr> mke2fs -j /dev/hdc1
[11:12] <amonkey> mjr: thanks
[11:15] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, would you recommend any good linux book? "Linux in a nutshell" ?
[11:16] <_kevin> psychonate I'm still reading up on it
[11:16] <_kevin> but it should work
[11:16] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: oef
[11:17] <ztonzy> oef ?
[11:17] <psychonate> _kevin, 'mp3splt -c <cuefile> -d <outputdir> <mp3file>'
[11:17] <psychonate> something like that maybe
[11:17] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: the books I've read are either more specific (kernel work), or have nothing to do with operating ("Rebel Code")
[11:17] <_kevin> ye
[11:17] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: So I don't know of a good book I'm afraid
[11:17] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, okej
[11:17] <_kevin> thanks man
[11:17] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: I do recommend reading Rebel Code anyway :)
[11:18] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, uhmm maybe just playing around would be good
[11:18] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, what is it about ?
[11:18] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, btw...do you want a chrootbuild of blender ?
[11:19] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0738203335/103-2158833-8870221?v=glance
[11:19] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: I have exams in 3 weeks, so not that long anymore
[11:19] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, a new project is launched ;)  by ton http://orange.blender.org
[11:19] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, cool, so you will be back and help out ?
[11:20] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: yup
[11:20] <ztonzy> nice
[11:20] <ztonzy> pretty quiet here of all 535 in this channel ;)
[11:20] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: orange looks cool!
[11:20] <psychonate> keffo, did you get a chance to try 'avisplit'?
[11:20] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, indeed it is
[11:21] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: perhaps we're talking a lot ;)
[11:21] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, lmao
[11:21] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: oeh oeh, Bassam as animation director!
[11:21] <Pupeno> How do I change my default console editor (from nano) to vim ?
[11:22] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, of course...and andy as designer
[11:22] <ztonzy> so, and Ton, they make a core team
[11:22] <shido6> hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc fixed my problem
[11:22] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: great :)
[11:22] <shido6> I can use my mouse
[11:22] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, and we the rest just sit here :|
[11:23] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: why? get moving!
[11:23] <abarbaccia> hey all - im having trouble getting my sis chipset workign with ubuntu with hardware video accel
[11:23] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, heh
[11:23] <abarbaccia> its a sis 650 chipset (video)
[11:25] <_jordan> Nali0th.
[11:25] <DefHandz> Nali0th.
[11:26] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, told ton you are coming back soon ;) comment by him: "cool!"
[11:26] <_kevin> psychonate It worked like a charm
[11:27] <_kevin> psychonate Thanks alot man
[11:27] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: hah, it'll be some more weeks, don't want to fumble my finals ;)
[11:27] <LarstiQ> speaking of which, time to go to bed
[11:27] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, I meantied 3-4 weeks
[11:27] <DefHandz> I am trying to run a program with Cedega in console, but i get the error "x11drv: Can't open display:" when I type cedega SteamInstall.exe
[11:27] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, yes me too
[11:27] <ztonzy> mentioned*
[11:28] <ztonzy> LarstiQ, good night and see you soon again
[11:28] <DefHandz> Anyone know what is wrong?
[11:29] <robertj> Def: try export DISPLAY=:0.0
[11:29] <_kevin> for those looking to install WINE on ubuntu here is a website with information --> http://www.winehq.org/site/download
[11:29] <LarstiQ> ztonzy: you too
[11:29] <DefHandz> Ok :-p
[11:30] <DefHandz> x11drv: Can't open display: :0.0
[11:30] <DefHandz> Hm.
[11:30] <DefHandz> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[11:30] <DefHandz> Xlib: No protocol specified
[11:30] <DefHandz> x11drv: Can't open display: :0.0
[11:30] <DefHandz> O_O
[11:30] <DefHandz> I heard..DONT.
[11:30] <mez> hmm *shrugs*
[11:30] <tritium> _kevin, if you use winetools from winehq, be sure to also use wine from winehq
[11:30] <mez> y not?
[11:31] <tritium> (rather than wine from universe)
[11:31] <DefHandz> Developer thing
[11:31] <mez> yeah, but i know what I'm doing (apart form the odd error or two whcih have stumped me and eventually came to realise it was human error
[11:31] <mez> plus
[11:31] <DefHandz> robertj what should I do?
[11:31] <mez> I've always got the CD toreinstall if i need
[11:32] <robertj> Def: are you running it as the same user?
[11:32] <mez> yeah kevin, I can give you instructions on how to add the proper wine deb repositry if you want
[11:32] <cut0ff> has anyone managed mount partitions on hoary??
[11:32] <mez> cut0ff,  - you cant run hoary without it mounting partitions
[11:32] <DefHandz> robertj: Shouldnt I be on root?
[11:32] <DefHandz> Or not?
[11:32] <robertj> Def: not normally
[11:33] <DefHandz> Oh ok
[11:33] <DefHandz> :-p
[11:33] <robertj> open a new terminal and type xcalc
[11:33] <DefHandz> THat might be the prob.
[11:33] <robertj> althought it should still work
[11:33] <DefHandz> xcalc works
[11:33] <robertj> ok, now try whatever program you were trying to run
[11:33] <DefHandz> Sweet
[11:33] <DefHandz> Works
[11:33] <DefHandz> :-p
[11:33] <robertj> and try sudo xcalc
[11:33] <DefHandz> One second.
[11:34] <Shuddertrix> would it be a good idea to compile -k7 versus -386 for me?
[11:34] <shido6> now to et vmware working
[11:34] <Shuddertrix> apparently i'm running -386 and i'm wondering if -k7 will be better
[11:35] <DefHandz> Ah
[11:35] <DefHandz> Deb.
[11:35] <robertj> hrmm
[11:35] <robertj> does sudo xcalc work?
[11:35] <Shuddertrix> or will it even make a difference?
[11:36] <robertj> did you install the game as that current user?
[11:36] <DefHandz> Yes
[11:36] <DefHandz> what?
[11:36] <DefHandz> yes, as my user.
[11:36] <DefHandz> Not as root.
[11:36] <DefHandz> sudo xcalc worked.
[11:37] <robertj> so wahts the error it gives again?
[11:37] <DefHandz> Moving all local fonts to /home/jordan/.transgaming_global/Fonts and removing lo                                            cal Fonts directory
[11:37] <DefHandz> For language 'en' several language ids were found:
[11:37] <DefHandz> en_US - 0409; en_GB - 0809; en_AU - 0C09; en_CA - 1009; en_NZ - 1409; en_IE - 18                                            09; en_ZA - 1C09; en_JM - 2009; en_ - 2409; en_BZ - 2809; en_TT - 2C09;
[11:37] <DefHandz> Instead of using first in the list, suggest to define
[11:38] <DefHandz> your LANG environment variable like this: LANG=en_US
[11:38] <DefHandz> /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega//winex/bin/wine: cannot find 'SteamInstall.exe'
[11:38] <DefHandz> Hm..
[11:38] <mez> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:38] <mez> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[11:38] <mez> o_o
[11:38] <LinuxJones> DefHandz, www.pastebin.ca
[11:38] <mez> that error came up half way through an upgrade was downloading packages
[11:39] <DefHandz> X_X pastebin, forgot.
[11:39] <LinuxJones> :D
[11:39] <verden01> Hi, can i convert my reiserfs to etx3 and keep my data like you can convert fat32 to ntfs?
[11:40] <verden01> ext
[11:40] <LinuxJones> verden01, no, how much data do you have on the filesystem ?
[11:40] <robertj> are you running Wine SteamInstall.exe?
[11:40] <DefHandz> No..
[11:40] <verden01> not much
[11:41] <DefHandz> I have cedega
[11:41] <DefHandz> "wine steaminstall.exe" doesnt work.
[11:41] <DefHandz> Cannot find command
[11:41] <LinuxJones> verden01, maybe you could backup to cd or move (temporarily to another partition till you get the fs converted.
[11:41] <verden01> its just since ubuntu upgraded the kernel at atartup my system is looking for an ext3 file system
[11:41] <_kevin> u need wine tools to install
[11:41] <DefHandz> Hm..
[11:41] <DefHandz> Where can I get them?
[11:42] <LinuxJones> verden01, you lsot reiser FS support after a kernel upgrade ?
[11:42] <LinuxJones> lost*
[11:42] <_kevin> http://www.winehq.org/site/download
[11:42] <_kevin> scroll down and u shall see
[11:42] <verden01> i guess
[11:43] <_kevin> wow my first time helpin someone on this chan
[11:43] <verden01> the kernel upgrade was the normal apt-get upgrade
[11:43] <shido6> ok
[11:43] <LinuxJones> verden01, yikes, can you do lsmod in a terminal and see if the reiser module is loaded ?
[11:43] <TestDummy> My other computer is being a butthead with Ubuntu >_<
[11:43] <shido6> how do I set the display set DISPLAY=:0.0 doesnt work
[11:43] <shido6> (vmware:11210): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[11:43] <shido6> is what I get
[11:43] <_kevin> i tried to burn a cd with graveman and it doesn't work
[11:43] <pvanhoof> verden01, no
[11:44] <pvanhoof> it's not possible
[11:44] <mez> TestDummy, sounds fun
[11:44] <pvanhoof> you'll eed a sparedisk
[11:44] <frereron> hey. my sound is not workking. I have done everything in the guide already. (intel i915) any ideas?
[11:44] <TestDummy> Well..
[11:44] <verden01> ok
[11:44] <mez> frereron,  you're using alsa?
[11:44] <TestDummy> I install it, it installs fine, gets to first boot, says "Starting Ubuntu" and freezes
[11:44] <verden01> reiserfs              240368  1
[11:44] <verden01> ext3                  133264  0
[11:44] <frereron> mez, I,ve tried alsa, oss and esd
[11:44] <verden01> LinuxJones, that is what lsmod saus
[11:45] <mez> well
[11:45] <mez> er, this may sound stupid
[11:45] <mez> but have you tried turning the volume up in  the mixer?
[11:45] <mez> cause
[11:45] <mez> my sound didnt work
[11:45] <verden01> pvanhoof, no??
[11:45] <mez> and i went through and tried everythign
[11:45] <mez> reinstlaled
[11:45] <mez> still didnt work
[11:45] <LinuxJones> verden01, can you paste the output of "mount" to www.pastebin.ca and post the link here ?
[11:45] <mez> realised gnome had set it to the lowest setting to start with
[11:45] <frereron> mez, lol. Well my alsamixer is empty.
[11:46] <black_Nightmare> let me guess: does ubuntu support 64bit processors? yes
[11:46] <black_Nightmare> or is my Q&A wrong?
[11:46] <black_Nightmare> :p
[11:46] <TestDummy> With the AMD64 ISO I'd guess :|
[11:46] <black_Nightmare> hm ty
[11:46] <mez> frereron,  have you checked dmesg for any output regarding your sound card?
[11:47] <verden01> LinuxJones, paste the output of mount?
[11:47] <black_Nightmare> dumb question but was it video-in and/or video-out that isn't quite supported on linux yet?
[11:47] <black_Nightmare> ati cards that is
[11:47] <verden01> LinuxJones, ok i know what you mean
[11:47] <LinuxJones> verden01, yes but not here in irc paste it to www.pastebin.ca and post the link it gives you here in irc
[11:47] <Wanted> hi
[11:48] <LinuxJones> Wanted, hiya
[11:48] <Dolciume> hi, i need help for that > http://dolciume.do.ohost.de/text.html
[11:48] <TestDummy> Er..
[11:48] <Wanted> LinuxJones hi newbe here
[11:48] <TestDummy> Anybody have any idea why my computer locks up on boot? :P
[11:48] <phillambrechts> why does evo mail put a line thru my messages when I try to delete them
[11:48] <LinuxJones> Wanted, welcome aboard :D
[11:48] <Wanted> LinuxJones thanx
[11:49] <LinuxJones> TestDummy, a hardware problem like borked memory stick ?
[11:49] <Wanted> LinuxJones i have a simple question I think
[11:49] <Lord^DS> hi all
[11:49] <LinuxJones> Wanted, ok shoot
[11:49] <mez> phillambrechts, it's the way "IMAP" works... there should be an option somewhere to "expunge" your mail box which'll get them deleted properly
[11:49] <TestDummy> I dunno, memory worked fine last I checked it
[11:49] <mez> having a line through it is like - semi-deleted... sort of like a strash cam
[11:49] <TestDummy> When I boot into Recovery Mode, it starts to probe for non-existant drives
[11:50] <DefHandz> E: Malformed line 37 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[11:50] <DefHandz> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[11:50] <DefHandz> I added the repositores from the Wine site, but sudo apt-get build-dep wine gives me..
[11:50] <DefHandz> That.
[11:50] <Dolciume> can me somebody help, please  http://dolciume.do.ohost.de/text.html
[11:50] <LinuxJones> TestDummy, were you moving any cards around in your system or anything. Like have you computer case open doing anything ?
[11:50] <phillambrechts> mez: I am using POP, would that still have the same result?
[11:50] <Pupeno> What should I do to get a video to play when xine reports this error: "A problem occur while loading a library or a decoder: wmvdmod.dll" ?
[11:50] <TestDummy> LinuxJones: Nope, it's bascially been the same way for a while.
[11:50] <Wanted> LinuxJones i have a machine with WinXp and want to install Ubuntu on a other parttion, does Ubuntu make an boot menu for borh OS ?
[11:50] <TestDummy> Only thing new is the hard drive
[11:50] <mez> I dont use evo - but... it's similar to that - so thats probably just the way evo works
[11:51] <TestDummy> Wanted: Should install Grub for you last I checked, if everything is partitioned right.
[11:51] <LinuxJones> Wanted, yeah it does
[11:51] <phillambrechts> What would I have to change so that my messages go to trash?
[11:51] <Lord^DS> I have a small problem, USB drive is mounted but no rights to write on it, how can i arrange that I allways have stander rights for writing on it?
[11:51] <mez> DefHands... what is line 37 of your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:51] <DefHandz> deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt
[11:51] <mez> yeah
[11:51] <phillambrechts> It seems as though they were moved to the trash, but they still remain in my inbox, crossed out.
[11:52] <Dolciume> need help please for this problem by booting  http://dolciume.do.ohost.de/text.html
[11:52] <DefHandz> well..?
[11:52] <DefHandz> Should I comment it out?
[11:52] <saber_> Where package do people use now for dvd movie backup?
[11:52] <saber_> Where/What
[11:52] <mez> should read something like
[11:52] <Wanted> TestDummy Grub.... what is that ?
[11:52] <mez> wait lemme load up mine and I'll copy and paste my lines
[11:52] <frereron> mez, found it... Intel HiDef Audio Ctrler
[11:52] <feux> can someone help me with my mysql daemon plz?
[11:52] <DefHandz> ok
[11:52] <ElBarono> breezy is still not usable?
[11:52] <feux> it doesn't work anymore, and i dunno y
[11:53] <saber_> elbarono: won't be for a while :)
[11:53] <Dolciume> cant somebody help me :(
[11:53] <ElBarono> heh
[11:53] <LinuxJones> ElBarono, no
[11:53] <mez> deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[11:53] <ElBarono> I just want the new firefox
[11:53] <DefHandz> Ah
[11:53] <DefHandz> I had to add hoary universe
[11:53] <DefHandz> Or not
[11:53] <DefHandz> O_o
[11:53] <feux> could someone query me who can help me solve my mysql problem? :(( plz
[11:53] <mez> ElBarono,  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[11:53] <frereron> shouldn.t, DefHandz
[11:53] <Pupeno> how do I install win32 codecs on ubuntu ?
[11:53] <frereron> mez, found it... Intel HiDef Audio Ctrler
[11:53] <LinuxJones> ElBarono, the devs are incorporating gcc4 so things are going to be broken for a while :)
[11:53] <mez> ok, so it's detecting it
[11:53] <DefHandz> So should the second one be /source ?
[11:53] <mez> are there any errors/
[11:53] <TestDummy> Blah, stupid computer.
[11:54] <Blissex> feux: consider reading http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4
[11:54] <DefHandz> Hm..nope. Didnt work.
[11:54] <mez> ?? DefHandz
[11:54] <saber_> elbarono: Install it yourself w/o using the package management system
[11:54] <Blissex> feux: and we are sorry, but all of our telepathic and clairvoyant customer advisors are busy on other lines.
[11:54] <mez> or use backports ;)
[11:54] <mez> I have latest firefox through backports
[11:54] <DefHandz> ?
[11:54] <DefHandz> Huh?
[11:55] <verden01> LinuxJones, i pasted it to the pastebin and uploaded it
[11:55] <Lord^DS> can anyone help for changing rights on drives?
[11:55] <DefHandz> E: Malformed line 37 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[11:55] <DefHandz> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[11:55] <DefHandz> THat's what happens.
[11:55] <nalioth> i love txt configuration files
[11:55] <LinuxJones> verden01, ok what is the pastebin.ca link that it spit out to you ?
[11:55] <Blissex> Lord^DS: consider reading ttp://tinyurl.com/bz8v4 first...
[11:55] <mez> and it reads deb url didt
[11:55] <DefHandz> O_o
[11:55] <tahorg> Blissex: you forgot the sorcerer
[11:55] <DefHandz> mez, are you talking to me?
[11:55] <nalioth> DefHandz: did you get a fresh copy from the ubuntulinux wiki?
[11:55] <tahorg> Blissex: he's available
[11:55] <DefHandz> yes :)
[11:55] <Lord^DS> ok thx Blissex
[11:56] <DefHandz> Cedega installed
[11:56] <mez> Defhandz, for Wine - it should read  deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[11:56] <mez> not
[11:56] <DefHandz> But now I cant run SteamInstall.exe
[11:56] <mez>  deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/
[11:56] <DefHandz> Hm..
[11:56] <Blissex> Lord^DS: and then ask a better phrased question...
[11:56] <DefHandz> Still doesnt work mez.
[11:56] <DefHandz> X_X
[11:56] <mez> are you sure?
[11:56] <DefHandz> Yes.
[11:56] <Wanted> LinuxJones hmmm do u know if AMD64 version gain any performance ?
[11:56] <verden01> LinuxJones, 12463
[11:56] <mez> send me a copy of your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[11:56] <Blissex> tahorg: the sorcerer may be available, but he tends to turn n00bs into flower vases. :-)
[11:57] <Blissex> Wanted: you try it, and dont ask specific people...
[11:57] <Lord^DS> Blissex, maybe your ,native languace is English, for me English is the 4th languace, so sorry if I make any faults
[11:57] <Blissex> Lord^DS: it is not quite the language, it is that you did not ask a detailed question.
[11:57] <verden01> LinuxJones, brb
[11:58] <Lord^DS> a few lines above it i did aks a detailled question but didn't get any answer so i tryed a bit more simple
[11:58] <Lord^DS> I have a USB drive mounted , but I can not write to it because I do'nt have rights
[11:58] <Dolciume> cant me help somebody ??? http://dolciume.do.ohost.de/text.html this problem i cant boot to KDE
[11:58] <Blissex> Wanted: also, for _some_ things 64 bit mode is way faster than 32 bit mode. And AMD 64 bit chips are quite fast even in 32 bit mode.
[11:58] <LinuxJones> verden01, it looks like it's ok
[11:59] <Lord^DS> I would like to have set it so that i can allways write to it
[11:59] <Shuddertrix> stupid me, i mounted my 3gb fat32 drive to /.. doesn't seem to hurt anything, though :P
[11:59] <Blissex> Lord^DS: OK, ask again the full question. Someone might want to answer sooner or later. Dont repeat more often than 5-10 minutes.
[11:59] <frereron> mez, sorry, I guess that I lied. There is no reference to my sound card in dmesg.
[11:59] <Wanted> Blissex ok....i know that
[11:59] <DefHandz> mez, your PM.
[11:59] <DefHandz> Nalioth, whenever I try to install in Cedega it doesnt do anything
[11:59] <Blissex> Lord^DS: what kind of drive? What kind of filesystem?
[11:59] <forsaker8k6> hi all
[11:59] <Lord^DS> Lacie USB HD and it's under NTSF
[11:59] <psychonate> DefHandz, What do you mean it doesn't do anything?
[11:59] <Blissex> Dolciume: try the 'startkde' command
[11:59] <LinuxJones> Wanted, it should but some stuff isn't yet available in 64 bit
[12:00] <DefHandz> Ok, now it says that SteamInstall.exe ISNT on my desktop!
[12:00] <DefHandz> Er
[12:00] <nalioth_> and i thought windoze was bad