[12:27] bah, qt failed on amd 64 [12:27] I'll take a look [12:33] i'll change http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuKDEStatus [12:34] otherwise we work again on the same packages ;) [12:35] good idea === Riddell locks qt [12:35] arts looks good [12:37] just works, if jeff that hears, he'll kick us [12:38] best not tell him that :) [12:39] ppc isn't tested yet ;) [12:54] wow that was fast qt3.3.4 is on archive [12:55] the build daemons are flexing their muscles again [12:57] heheheh [12:57] but not ia64 it seems [12:58] do you want review arts? [12:58] ok, where is it? [12:58] qvfbview.cpp: In constructor 'QVFbView::QVFbView(int, int, int, int, QWidget*, const char*, uint)': [12:58] qvfbview.cpp:118: error: cast from 'unsigned char*' to 'int' loses precision [12:59] amu: yeah, fixing that now [01:18] amu: this morning, you said a fixed knetworkconf found it's way into hoary-updates..? [01:21] KaiL_: 0.6.1-3ubuntu4 [01:21] ii knetworkconf 0.6.1-3ubuntu4 Network configurator for KDE [01:21] hmm [01:21] packages.ubuntu.com doesn't see it [01:21] KaiL_: packages.ubuntu.com is only rebuilt when the guy gets round to doing it [01:22] and may not have hoary-updates in it [01:22] .o0(...) [01:26] Riddell: that reminds me to change konqui's shortcut (deb) [01:26] packages.ubuntu.com [01:27] amu: never knew konqueror could do that :) [01:27] amu: apt:/? [01:28] deb: [01:29] amazing found dbug: [01:30] ah, cool.... [01:30] nice [01:31] Riddell: if you work on kubuntu-default-settings again: kontact doesn't show the newsreader... [01:31] or should I file a bug for that? [01:32] KaiL_: yes, bugzilla report seems appropriate [01:34] done [01:35] I wonder why the kontact developers did that anyway, they must not like knode [01:36] i'm surprised, how many people we have http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuPeople [01:37] the difficulty is getting them to do something :) [01:37] 6 of them I know ;) [01:37] community council tomorrow night, hopefully get a new member from that [01:38] I fail to spot KaiL_ on that list [01:39] should I change that? :) [01:39] sh: is also missing [01:41] so he is [01:41] KaiL_: sure, you help lots of people in #kubuntu don't you? [01:42] ok, that's an argument :) [01:49] hah, KaiL_ is now one of the KubutuPeople, no escape now! === KaiL_ spends an "n" for the start [01:59] ;) [02:41] time for sleep [02:56] n8 Riddell === hunger_ [~hunger@p54A6796B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:35] DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:53] morning [09:59] JRe: morning [10:24] hehe new upstream release of kat :) [10:25] Riddell: is the anyone coding a kde util to mount usb keys and camera automatically ? === ChinaCatJones [~chris@pool-71-111-176-217.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ChinaCatJones [~chris@pool-71-111-176-217.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:56] exclusivity for kubuntu: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/kat <- kat-0.5.3 [11:27] JRe: I thik ivman can be used as an auto-mounter but it needs some work [11:29] Riddell: i have succesfully developped one using usbmount (from debian) [11:31] The build daemons have not yet started on the cxx transition of kde, have they? [11:31] Riddell: but i can use ivman also (it's based on a dcop call) [11:32] "Users which would like an icon to appear when an USB device is plugged in should use the pmount and hal packages instead." [11:32] Riddell: That works mostly fine for me. [11:32] does usbmount only do usb? [11:32] Riddell: Why a automounter? [11:33] hunger_: because people plug in a camera or whatever and expect something to happen, currently in kubuntu you have to manually find your way to media:/ and mount it [11:34] Riddell: I get a icon on the desktop... window opens when I click on it. [11:34] Riddell: Well, not in breezy currently as media:/ is borked there. [11:34] Riddell: yeah ubsmount only usb [11:34] hunger_: oh yes we do have that but I have my desktop convered so I never see it :) [11:35] Riddell: So do I;-) [11:35] Riddell: So what should happen? Konqui pops up a window? === hunger_ is now known as hunger [11:35] I had to use a mac yesterday and it's horrible having to move windows around to try and find the desktop [11:35] Riddell: in my program kde show a window styled dialog wich ppropose what to do [11:35] s/window/windowXP [11:36] hunger: yes, Konqi should open at the correct media:/ url, or kaffeine should open if it's a DVD, or kscd if it's an audio CD [11:36] JRe: Urgs! I hate windows popping up all the tim. [11:36] JRe: that's the other possibility [11:36] hunger: i hate to but you're not forced to start the service! it's for newbies [11:36] JRe: got a screen shot? [11:36] Riddell: Fine... please tell me how to kill that feature once it is in place:-) [11:36] Riddell: no but if you're interrested i send you one tomorrow [11:37] JRe: I'm interested === KabelKasper [~vloechte@i5387DF97.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:37] Damn newbies.... lead to all kinds of desktop clutter. === hunger grins. [11:38] In the good ol' days we only started up X for mosaic. [11:38] hunger: ;) yeah but it's the price to pay for having my mother using debian and kde [11:38] amu: did you upload arts? I don't see it in breezy-changes [11:39] pah, mosaic, ruined the web with that silly tag :) [11:39] JRe: You can't have her take a couple of years worth of computer science courses? ;-) [11:39] Riddell: Right! [11:40] Riddell: yep, got some trouble and need elmo for it [11:40] eh? [11:41] oh [11:41] hunger: ;) ;) [11:44] JRe: kat 0.5.3 segfaults during indexing [11:44] hunger: amd64 ? [11:44] hunger: i386 ? [11:44] JRe: ix86. [11:45] hunger: you use my package or compiled it fro source? [11:45] (debian package source) [11:45] JRe: your package. [11:45] hunger: what kind of data were you indexing? [11:46] JRe: $HOME [11:46] JRe: Dunno what exactly broke it:-( [11:46] hunger: ;) [11:46] hunger: can u send me a backtrace? [11:46] JRe: 0.5.2 did the same... I can load the temp.kat (in current dir:-() [11:47] JRe: Dunno... [11:47] hunger: okay [11:47] JRe: kat does not have debug symbols in it, does it? [11:48] hunger: no [11:48] JRe: So I have to rebuild to get meaningful output:-( [11:49] hunger: :( [11:49] JRe: I'll see whether I get round to do so later. [11:49] hunger: sure :) [11:50] JRe: But I think that will have to wait for kde's cxx transition... don't have gcc < 4 anymore. [11:50] hunger: you run breezy? [11:50] JRe: Sure. [11:51] hunger: ;) [11:51] JRe: hoary is too boring (aka. stable). [11:53] hunger: i think so too but i can't use breezy at work [11:54] (aka. too unstable) [11:54] JRe: Lucky me: my business compi does not need to be stable. [11:55] hunger: :) :) [11:55] JRe: I get one from customers to do "real" work on... mine is just to look up docu and stuff. [11:55] hunger: hehe you're lucky [11:56] JRe: So I am fine as long as I can still use grep;-) [11:56] hunger: yeah grep rarely breack :) [12:01] Riddell: ivman has not been packages for debian! is someone doing that? [12:02] hunger: btw in fact kat has debuint symbols if you lauch it with command line, you may be able to see the reason of the crash [12:18] Yahoo... my wallets vanished again:-( [12:22] hunger: you're not lucky with your wallet :( [12:23] JRe: Dunno what you keep doing to my system;-) [12:23] :) [12:33] JRe: ASSERT: "subjobs.isEmpty()" in /home/jre/Documents/Ubuntu/kat/kat-0.5.3/src/katpreviewjob.cpp (223) [12:34] JRe: Seems to happen just before kat is done indexing... [12:35] okay i send this immediatly to the upstream [12:36] hunger: strange there is my directory :) [12:37] JRe: Of course! [12:37] JRe: Asserts are macros and such are set up on compile time. === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:37] JRe: Asserts are macros and such are set up on compile time. [12:38] so what i am doing wrong? [12:38] JRe: Nothing I'd say. There is a bug in the app. [12:38] okay ;) [12:39] JRe: Asserts are "assumptions" the developer expects to be true at a given point in a program. [12:39] JRe: If they are triggered then either the code or the assumption is wrong. [12:39] hunger: okay i see [12:47] amu: shall I take kdebase now? [12:50] yep please, libs builds fine on top of new qt and arts (i386) === hunger still has 244 debs depending on libstdc++5 [12:59] Most of those are KDE:-) [01:07] "kde 3.4.1 won't compile with gcc 4.0.1", sigh [01:08] Riddell: Who says so? the kde people? [01:08] yes [01:12] how :( === uniq [charlie@gw.ipv6.lnix.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:13] I read that the bug was fixed that broke kde with gcc 4.0 [01:13] "they added new compile checks that break some modules" [01:14] so it's not that it compiles code wrongly like gcc 4.0 did, just that it's even more fussy [01:14] we should be able to work around it [01:14] Riddell: Sounds like "We coded closer to the compiler than the c++ standard" to me;-) [01:15] ;) [01:18] Riddell: so you gonna try to patch and compile it with gcc 4.0? [01:19] JRe: we're using a CVS snapshot of gcc 4.0 which should have fixed the miscompile issues and maybe it doesn't have the extra checks of gcc 4.1 so it'll just work! [01:19] Riddell: in france we would have sayed "touch wood" ;) [01:24] in Scotland we would say "contact le bois" === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-084-059-053-209.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:58] have you ever seen this: http://klik.atekon.de/? [03:58] it's kind of strange! === KaiL_ [KaiL@p548F794A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:01] it seems that it had been made by knoppix user to install software through a web browser [04:02] and it's for kdd [04:02] and it's for kde [04:03] and debian [04:07] it's interesting [04:07] we do need an easier software installer [04:07] but installing through the web is considered a security risk [04:08] I wonder how they get licence to distribute opera [04:08] Riddell: yeah it's very strange there is also real player!!! [04:08] Riddell: i just discover it one hour ago [04:09] Riddell: although the idea of a web based front end for apt is not bad [04:09] apt:/ :) [04:10] do we have that packaged? [04:10] nop [04:10] we should [04:10] Riddell: oh yeah apt:/ will pe perfect [04:10] Riddell: i take a look, and see what i can do [04:15] Riddell: the source code is juts on *.c file ;) [04:16] one [04:27] Riddell: http://klik.atekon.de/architecture/ <- interresting [04:35] /usr/bin/X11 has disappeared from breezy, need to set PATH in debian/rules to include /usr/X11R6/bin === ChinaCatJones [~chris@pool-71-111-176-217.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [05:24] kdebase 3.4.1 compiled and konqueror even runs [05:24] fantastic [05:24] wow :)) [05:25] amu: accessiblity, edu, multimedia, kdevelop and kdewebdev are known to have gcc 4 compile issues, fixed in SVN [05:25] the 3.4.1-Versions have still issues? [05:26] gcc added some extra checks that have tripped up the compiles [05:27] Riddell: great! [05:28] amu: we need to work out how to handle the new kde-i18n tars, and get the .pot files in there somehow for rosetta [05:37] Riddell: I think the klik recipe points directly to the opera/reel servers, so they don't need at licence to distribute them. Have a look at the sample recipe: http://klik.atekon.de/architecture/recipe.php === Riddell wonders who this "Le Roux, Jean-Michel" chap is on linkedin [05:45] KabelKasper: klik is a bit strange i dont like the appdir concept [05:50] hmm, is konserve always that crashy, or is this a breezy issue? [05:51] KaiL_: does konserve allow know to backup multiple directories in the same tar.gz ? [05:51] s/know/now/ [05:51] no Idea [05:52] I just installed it to play a bit with it [05:52] but crashes always [05:53] maybe you can select 2 folters? [05:53] wow it's still the 0.10.3 version [05:53] KaiL_: so the bad thing it's that if you want to backup multiple dir (non subdir) you have to mke multiple tar.gz [05:54] KaiL_: i am wainting for the KDar package to show up :) [05:54] last release over a year ago - this looks bad [05:54] what's kDar? [05:54] KaiL_: a neat backuping tool [05:55] KaiL_: based on Dar [05:56] JRe: put it on the wiki page and find someone to make a package of it [05:56] Riddell: someone has yet done an ITP on debian [05:57] Riddell: and i have already try to package it but got some issues with the libar [05:57] right [05:57] Riddell: so i wait for the ITP guy to release his source package ;) [05:58] Riddell: how bad thing the itp was posted 540 days ago! [05:59] Ho it seems that there is a package on the kalyxo web site [06:04] KaiL_: no commit for konserve on the svn :( the idea was great it was pretty simple and pretty useful [06:05] yes [06:07] except when it crashes [06:08] KaiL_: if you're under breezy you can test: http://kalyxo-archive.mornfall.net/pool/main/k/kdar/ [06:09] KaiL_: it seems to be a good backuping tool === KaiL [KaiL@p548F796A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:14] Kail often joins but never quit ;) [06:14] damn 24h disconnect [06:15] ;) [06:15] KaiL: what sort of connection does that? [06:15] adsl no? [06:15] DSL from DTAG (German Telekom) [06:15] to avoid static ip? [06:16] it's the same in france [06:16] yes [06:16] strange [06:16] Riddell: it's because they actually sell static ip as an option [06:16] more expensive of course [06:16] Riddell: here you need to pay 40 EUR for 1MBit DSL Flat [06:18] I pay 25UKP per month for .5Mb [06:18] 35euro for 8mb [06:18] hmm, konserve seams to work again [06:18] I think JRe has the best deal :) [06:18] bang, or not... [06:18] 8Mb? thats speedy [06:19] Riddell: ever been in Sweden? [06:19] Riddell: yeah and moreover i have adsl based tv + free phone in all the france [06:19] (voip) [06:20] 100MBit Flat for 20 EUR there [06:20] JRe: is that france telecom a state monopoly? [06:20] Riddell: hopefully not anymore [06:20] JRe: are they your provider? [06:21] Riddell: nop [06:21] wowb 100mbit Flat for 20 Euro [06:21] amu: yeah thats a conncection! [06:21] JRe: where i must sign for such a contract ? [06:22] amu: in sweden if i have well understood [06:23] Riddell: the most funny is that my provider, Free, has build a box which run under linux! [06:23] presupposed i've a all time down/upload rate from 12,5Mbit 24/7/365 [06:23] amu: it's king of good ;) [06:23] s/king/kind/ [06:24] hmm, kDar creates a bit bigger files than konserve [06:24] KaiL: so how is kdar ? [06:24] 100mbit for that money, isnt possible :) [06:25] JRe: looks good, but much more complicate than konserve imho [06:25] KaiL: it's what i thinked too. But we need a program of thaht kind in kde/ubuntu [06:25] kubuntu [06:26] amu: yeah it's amazing 100 mb for only 25 euro! [06:27] it must be an optical fiber network [06:28] probably you must share those 100bmit with millions other [06:28] ;) [06:29] and maybe between 5:11 and 5:13 you get those 100mbit, while downloading a movie from isp [06:29] amu: http://www.bredband.com/se/index.jsp [06:30] it seems to be true! [06:30] and it's optical network [06:31] i can't understand the price tough === Riddell moves onto packaging kdeadmin 3.4.1 [07:06] please check also against existing bugs, tagged kubuntu meta-packages and packages :) [07:07] uniq: wow that was fast, i got new batteries [07:08] ups was here [07:08] amu: wow.. i haven't got my powerbook yet.. i'm guessing day after tomorrow or something. [07:08] but then again.. i live very decentralized. [07:09] uniq: it comes from .nl :) [07:10] ok.. then it'll be just 4-5 days. :) [07:10] if i were on the https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuWorldWide - map i'd be the one closest to the northpole :) [07:11] uniq: the very centre of the northern hemisphere :) [07:11] very close :) [07:16] I'm close to Tromso -> http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/europe/no.htm [07:18] any kubuntu task to be done, than i can help with? [07:18] make that (k)ubuntu. [07:20] uniq: try and beat jre to packaging kdar [07:20] he gave up [07:20] ok. === jeramy [~jeramy@ottawa-hs-206-191-28-29.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:42] Hi there, it looks like I'm doing the Debian/Ubuntu integration for KWifiManager. If anybody here knows a bunch about /etc/network/interfaces, I'd appreciate your input. [07:49] anything specific you've got problems with? [07:59] riddell: this i'll be easy.. again.. kalyxo got packages of kdar, a simple recompile :) [07:59] (though, once i said that i asked for problems) [08:01] Yeah, from everything that I've read, you can only put one essid and key in /etc/network/interfaces [08:01] I'm thinking to just put the current default there, since they're stored somewhere else. [08:04] jeramy: yes, only one active one (how can you have anything else?), you can comment the others out [08:05] Riddell: When I played around with the GNOME tools, it would wipe out any others (unless I manually went in and commented them out). [08:06] Right now, my setup doesn't even use the interfaces stuff at all. ;) [08:07] jeramy: have you done this for other distributions? how do they manage it? [08:08] No, I haven't. The main dev for kwifimanager runs SuSE and has integrated that. I suppose I should ask him for the format of theirs. :) [08:09] I have an idea how I'm going to do it, I just wanted to make sure there aren't any gotchas. [08:09] well I'd say just comment out any existing ones when a new value is set and if the value matches any commented out lines, uncomment them [08:10] wireless-essid any works for me :) [08:10] Well... that works for me. :) I just wonder if it's worth it to duplicate the already-stored keys. [08:11] That only works though if you have no encryption setup. [08:11] ok, so I need kwifimanager to handle the wireless-key I guess [08:12] is kwifimanager going to talk to kismet_server ever? :) === jeramy starts to look up kismet_server [08:13] jeramy: why don't make it uncomment any others.. and make a line like # KWIFIMANAGER CONFIGURATION FOLLOWS.. and wipe everything below that line, when changing.. or something? [08:13] ah === uniq is throwing ideas into the air. [08:13] Yep, thought of it. [08:14] ;) [08:14] :) [08:16] About Kismet, maybe in the future, but first I want to make sure everything works first. ;) [08:16] jeramy: the scan for networks thing, that needs to be a separate process run with kdesu [08:17] just incase you were looking for more programming to do on it [08:17] In SVN, everything seems to work. Only thing that's missing is integration with all non-SuSE distros and scan as root [08:17] There is a scan for networks, but it currently doesn't run as root. I have to talk with Stefan about that. [08:18] Riddell: believe me, that'll be done by the time I'm done with it. :) [08:18] jeramy: excellent :) [08:18] ok that sounded stupid [08:19] jeramy: how does the new KDE logo look on it's artwork? [08:19] Do you mean the tray applet or what? [08:19] no the laptop image [08:20] that work of artisic genius on kwifimanager had the old KDE logo [08:20] but it should have the new one now [08:20] whoops. :) [08:21] Let me check. [08:22] For some stupid reason, I locked my other session and now I can't get back in.. :( === ChinaCatJones [~chris@pool-71-111-176-217.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:24] Yes, it has the new logo [08:24] Now will it get changed in time for KDE 4? Hmmm... [08:26] jeramy: changed in which way? [08:26] to the kde 4 logo, of course. :) [08:27] well I'm pretty sure the KDE logo won't change for KDE 4 but if it doesn't I'll make sure to update kwifimanager too [08:27] s/doesn't/does/ [08:27] Ah. You do the art for it? [08:28] I do [08:28] Cooll [08:28] well, it's better than what it had before [08:29] Agreed. KDE 3 was a huge step forward in terms of looks. [08:35] amu: kdeedu has had gcc 4 fixes today or yesterday, take a look at kde-cvs and pick them out [08:36] Riddell: thx 4info randomly picked up them [08:37] someone without work :) ? [08:37] amu: done by the SuSE packager actually [08:38] a lot more friendly than the red hat packagers who don't send their fixes back === froud [~froud@ndn-165-128-37.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:39] sure in this case suse is cool, i'm all time looking for the latest sourceCD's :) [08:39] Hi, just tried adding a wlan pcmcia to my laptop I got the Atheros chipset working no problem, but the card is recognized as eth1 (should this not be wlan0) [08:40] froud: depends how the driver is written, my wifi card is eth1 [08:40] also even though I use knetworkconf for config of IP etc, it only has the address and netmask I could not define values such as gateway broadcast etc [08:41] I had to manuall edit /etc/network/interfaces [08:41] to get it working [08:41] for some reason each time I used knetworkconf the gateway and the nameserver info was not added to the iface in /etc/network/interfaces [08:41] froud: hmm, I think there's a bugzilla report for that. knetworkconf need testing === lamont-away bets that kdebase_4:3.4.1-0ubuntu0pre1 is another dpkg victim [08:42] Ok, so it is a known problem [08:42] Thanks [08:42] froud: eth/wlan no prob [08:42] lamont-away: what's wrong with it? [08:42] lamont-away: dbus-qt at least [08:43] Riddell: btw, we have a kubuntu kwick guide in svn that is looking very good and we have a installation guide [08:43] dh_install -pkdm [08:43] cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/etc/kde3/kdm/Xaccess': No such file or directory [08:43] does it maybe look at DEB_* variables to decide what to do? [08:43] Riddell: will have it ready soon so you can upload then to the web site :-) [08:43] froud: excellent, great news [08:44] Ok c ya back to work === froud [~froud@ndn-165-128-37.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [08:47] lamont: should be just a generated file, I'll take a look === KaiL [KaiL@p548F54B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:11] dear kubuntu-meta guy. next time you upload, please add hppa to the list of architectures from ports.ubuntu.com. kthxbye [09:16] ia64, sparc, hppa [09:16] what's next? my toaster? :) [09:18] yup === kdedev [~kdedev@ottawa-hs-206-191-28-29.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:57] haggai: could you op on #kubuntu [10:18] technical board meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting, community meeting in 2 hours [10:21] maybe i should try for membership.. [10:21] uniq: do you have a wiki page? [10:21] riddell: yes.. [10:21] wiki.ubuntu.com/FrodeDoeving [10:21] of course, I've seen it [10:21] :) [10:23] uniq: add yourself to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda and go for it [10:24] ok. if you say so :) [10:24] think up something good in answer to "tell us about yourself and why you'd like to help ubuntu" [10:24] heh. [10:24] ok. [10:25] and "because debian new maintainer process is too much work" isn't an answer :) [10:26] haha.. :) [10:29] Riddell, the kdebase build failure looks like some xorg reorganisation ... [10:30] maybe wait for daniels [10:31] Did it fail today? I built it a couple of days ago no problem. [10:32] jeramy: new KDE version, new X bits [10:33] and I can't get pbuilder to work due to depends not happy [10:33] well I just uploaded a new version [10:36] uniq: i've a special request for you: http://kpod.sourceforge.net/ipodslave/ [10:37] amu: ok.. nice.. i'd have to by an ipod then.. i guess :) [10:38] uniq: could you package it please [10:38] "just uploading" is bad ... [10:38] doko: agreed, what's the best way to test? [10:39] amu: i'll take a look at it.. currently fighting with kdar.. but i think i'll put it on hold.. some c++ strangeness i can't figure out.. right now. [10:40] uniq: cool, no prob there's no timelinit, just nice to have, asked maybe you hang boring around and you dont know what to do ;) [10:40] Riddell, the dependencies should be fine again [10:42] amu: good :) === ChinaCatJones [~chris@pool-71-111-176-217.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === KabelKasper [~vloechte@i5387DF97.versanet.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete]