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| mdz | jbailey: how is EarlyUserspace coming along? | 12:10 |
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| robertj | mdz: do you know if last year's bounty budget rolled over into this year? | 12:10 |
| surak | mdz: it seems the one who's not working here is me. | 12:11 |
| kiko | huh? | 12:12 |
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| bluefoxicy | does OOo2 crash in breezy if you touch the menus | 12:13 |
| surak | kiko: we were talking on pvt. He corrected me, and I said that it didn't seem to work. But what does not work seems to be my brain after all that coffee... | 12:13 |
| kiko | heh :) | 12:13 |
| ogra | bluefoxicy, probably, its breezy :-P | 12:14 |
| mdz | robertj: not exactly, why? | 12:15 |
| ogra | bluefoxicy, things are supposed to crash from time to time for your entertainment :) | 12:15 |
| robertj | mdz: just haven't heard alot about bounties | 12:15 |
| mdz | surak: I am glad that it is working for you now | 12:15 |
| mdz | robertj: you'll hear a lot more about bounties this week | 12:15 |
| robertj | good | 12:15 |
| mdz | soon after I dig myself out of my email pit | 12:15 |
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| mdz | robertj: if there's something specific you'd like to work on, contact me at any time | 12:15 |
| robertj | hehe, no there's not | 12:16 |
| robertj | I was just curious | 12:16 |
| robertj | I stick to php stuff mostly | 12:16 |
| === surak has a lot to learn. I'll put irc to an speech engine and leave it loud all night long, like that tv memory courses: "learn while you sleep at #ubuntu-devel" | ||
| ogra | bluefoxicy, which arch is that ? | 12:16 |
| bluefoxicy | ogra: I need to write a resume | 12:16 |
| bluefoxicy | ogra: 386 | 12:16 |
| ogra | hmm.. | 12:16 |
| ogra | bluefoxicy, OOo 1.x too ? | 12:17 |
| === robertj is goign to give another go at cupid when hist dist-upgrade finishes | ||
| ogra | surak, lol.... record it and sell the tapes if it worked ;) | 12:18 |
| surak | who on those tv shows care if something works or not? I'll sell it anyway! :-) | 12:19 |
| ogra | heh | 12:19 |
| bluefoxicy | ogra: don't have 1.x | 12:20 |
| ogra | bluefoxicy, hmm but it could be a fallback if its urgent.... | 12:20 |
| bluefoxicy | ogra: it doens't have opendoc format | 12:20 |
| ogra | oh, ok | 12:20 |
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| === ogra uses vi for his texts | ||
| === bluefoxicy uses formatting when he gets e-mail from *@fbi.gov | ||
| bluefoxicy | sometimes you just want it to look nice. | 12:21 |
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| Keybuk | surely getting e-mails from @nid.gov is better? :p | 12:30 |
| Burgundavia | can someone take a look at this bug? I don't think the use meant to assign it to themselves | 12:31 |
| Burgundavia | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11122 | 12:31 |
| Nafallo | xorg_6.8.2-18 will need a kick to build? | 12:35 |
| === mvo goes to bed now | ||
| seb128 | 'night mvo | 12:39 |
| Nafallo | mvo: night :-) | 12:39 |
| mvo | night guys :) | 12:40 |
| surak | mdz: Where are you? | 12:42 |
| surak | I mean, your geographic location | 12:42 |
| kiko | surak, LA. | 12:42 |
| surak | ok | 12:42 |
| surak | tks Kiko | 12:42 |
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| Nafallo | Baby: wb! :-) | 12:44 |
| Baby | thanks Nafallo :)) | 12:44 |
| mdz | surak: as kiko says, I'm in LA (UTC-7) | 12:47 |
| surak | Kamion gave me the impression I'm always late to talk with him :-) and told me you would be in a better timeframe. | 12:47 |
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| jordi | kiko: I did it man | 12:50 |
| jordi | I DID IT | 12:50 |
| doko | jordi: photos! | 12:51 |
| kiko | jordi! | 12:52 |
| kiko | JORDI! | 12:52 |
| kiko | woooo! | 12:52 |
| jordi | doko: hmm, none of the race with me right now, my flatmate has them | 12:52 |
| surak | ? | 12:52 |
| kiko | jordi, tell us all about this | 12:53 |
| jordi | I have a sexy one of the prize I got tho | 12:53 |
| jordi | kiko: I have a blog entry ready to be scp'd! | 12:53 |
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| kiko | do it | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | jordi: you live! | 12:54 |
| jordi | ajmitch: I actually have no pain in my legs todayh. It's pretty weird | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | well done :) | 12:56 |
| jordi | let me boot that lappy to get the story out | 12:57 |
| jordi | and the pic from the cam | 12:57 |
| jordi | I also fixed a RC bug for Sarge yesterday | 12:57 |
| jordi | introduced a new one, which I just fixed. | 12:57 |
| jordi | Isn't that great | 12:57 |
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| mdke | ogra, still up? if i know you... | 01:03 |
| lamont | ENOMVI | 01:04 |
| lamont | MVO even | 01:04 |
| lamont | aptitude doesn't like 64-bit architectures | 01:04 |
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| lamont | Build-Depends: mozilla-dev (<< 2:1.7.7.0) | 01:05 |
| lamont | GAH | 01:05 |
| lamont | enigmail has bad buildd-epends | 01:06 |
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| doko | lamont: mozilla did FTFBS on ia64 | 01:10 |
| lamont | doko: the issue is that enigmail build-depends on a version older than that currently found in the archive. | 01:10 |
| === lamont bets that libao needs dpkg-love | ||
| doko | no, just a rebuild, libarts name did change | 01:12 |
| doko | fixing ... | 01:12 |
| lamont | kewlness | 01:13 |
| Nafallo | lamont: could xorg be kicked or shall I try to see if it builds locally first? | 01:15 |
| lamont | Nafallo: it is ftbfs | 01:15 |
| Nafallo | lamont: even since libx{au,dmcp} is rebuilt? | 01:16 |
| lamont | hrm... /me kicks it for giggles | 01:16 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 01:16 |
| === robertj ahhs after finding a nice python wrapper for howl | ||
| jordi | howl is non-free and evil :) | 01:22 |
| robertj | jordi: what's the blessed equivanelt then ;) | 01:22 |
| jordi | robertj: the world awaits your contribution! | 01:23 |
| jordi | none yet afaik. | 01:23 |
| Nafallo | lamont: kicked locally to :-) | 01:30 |
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| Nafallo | lamont: atleast it | 01:51 |
| Nafallo | damn enter | 01:51 |
| Nafallo | lamont: atleast it's not the same builderror ;-) | 01:52 |
| lamont | Nafallo: heh | 01:52 |
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| mdz | amu: what does "final package" mean in your qt-x11-free changelog? | 01:54 |
| amu | good question, right, would be better to put all changes visiable | 01:57 |
| Nafallo | good night all! | 02:00 |
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| lamont | back later | 02:31 |
| zul | holy crap my internet connection is slow | 02:38 |
| KaiL_ | somebody should look a bit at "installation without any network configuration", there seam to be billions of bugs | 02:38 |
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| surak | night | 02:50 |
| AndyFitz | night | 02:51 |
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| AndyFitz | g'day bradb | 03:03 |
| bradb | hi | 03:05 |
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| jsgotangco | hello | 03:57 |
| KaiL_ | daniels: you duped 11127 to 1421, which seams to be about fallback for no ddc infos | 04:02 |
| KaiL_ | that's wrong, 11127 is about screens, who really want such stipid resolutions | 04:02 |
| daniels | KaiL_: it's not wrong at all | 04:02 |
| daniels | KaiL_: if we get 60Hz, it's because we had to guess at a refresh rate | 04:02 |
| KaiL_ | nop | 04:02 |
| daniels | and that's going to happen because we're on amd64, and have no way to do DDC probing there yet | 04:02 |
| daniels | unless you meant something other than what you wrote in the bug report | 04:03 |
| KaiL_ | what I mean is on i386 | 04:03 |
| KaiL_ | some screens (as my 15" CRT here) really list "1280x1024@60Hz" in ddcprobe | 04:03 |
| daniels | right | 04:04 |
| KaiL_ | and that get's used | 04:04 |
| daniels | not usually | 04:04 |
| KaiL_ | I had "more than enough" such in #kubuntu ;) | 04:04 |
| daniels | xresprobe only gives you the *second* highest resolution | 04:04 |
| daniels | so if 1280x1024@60 is the highest and 1024x768@80 is the second-highest, it'll use 1024x768@80 | 04:05 |
| KaiL_ | and this second is what get's used? | 04:05 |
| daniels | if 1280x1024@80 is the highest and 1280x1024@60 is the second-highest, it'll use 1280x1024@80 | 04:05 |
| daniels | yes | 04:05 |
| KaiL_ | then why I get 1280@60Hz? :) | 04:05 |
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| KaiL_ | does the 1x1 tell me something interesting in xresprobe? | 04:12 |
| daniels | KaiL_: how did you configure your server? | 04:12 |
| daniels | 1x1 tells you things went really, really badly | 04:12 |
| KaiL_ | nothing manually | 04:12 |
| KaiL_ | oh | 04:13 |
| KaiL_ | like "monitor sends nonsence"? | 04:14 |
| Burgundavia | m vogt is mvo no? | 04:16 |
| crimsun | yes. | 04:16 |
| Burgundavia | ok, I don;t see him here | 04:17 |
| Burgundavia | ok, dumb question. Is wxpython in Ubuntu/Debian linked against GTK1.x? | 04:17 |
| daniels | KaiL_: either that or my regexp is broke, yeah | 04:17 |
| crimsun | Burgundavia: two different answers. | 04:19 |
| KaiL_ | hmm, but ddcprobe find's something | 04:19 |
| crimsun | Burgundavia: in Ubuntu Hoary, they're built against gtk2 | 04:19 |
| crimsun | Burgundavia: wxwidgets 2.5 has been removed from Debian | 04:19 |
| KaiL_ | lol, "timing: 1280x1024@75 (VESA)" | 04:20 |
| crimsun | Burgundavia: in Ubuntu and Debian both, wxwindows (2.4) is built against 1.2 | 04:20 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 04:20 |
| Burgundavia | so the program needs to link against 2.5? | 04:20 |
| === KaiL_ doesn't belive that this works ;) | ||
| crimsun | Burgundavia: if you're using wxpython2.5.3, yes | 04:21 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 04:22 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 04:22 |
| ajmitch | 2.4 & 2.5 can have a slightly differentA PI in some places | 04:23 |
| KaiL_ | daniels: there we have the 1x1: "dtiming 1x1@642500" | 04:23 |
| KaiL_ | somebody should send MS 100 firmware coders - after one week they have destroyed windows totally | 04:24 |
| Burgundavia | are we talkign python 2.5? the dev version? | 04:25 |
| KaiL_ | daniels: so your regex isn't broken, the firmware coder was just an idiot | 04:26 |
| crimsun | Burgundavia: I was talking about wxwidgets 2.5 (compiled against gtk2 in Ubuntu) and wxpython 2.5 | 04:27 |
| daniels | KaiL_: oh dear | 04:27 |
| crimsun | Burgundavia: the latter can be made to link against any version of python, though by default that should be 2.4 | 04:27 |
| daniels | i should blacklist that | 04:28 |
| KaiL_ | the problem why xresprobe lists 1280 (the highest..) isn't solved | 04:28 |
| Burgundavia | crimsun, the problem is that then wxpython stuff looks like ass, becuase it is gtk1.2 | 04:32 |
| crimsun | Burgundavia: err, in Ubuntu Hoary/universe? | 04:32 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 04:32 |
| crimsun | Burgundavia: hmm, so apt-cache depends must be lying | 04:33 |
| Burgundavia | both hoary and breezy show the issue | 04:33 |
| Burgundavia | crimsun, so is the bug in the application or in wxwidgets? | 04:43 |
| crimsun | Burgundavia: afaict, wxpython 2.5 links against wxgtk 2.5 which links against gtk 2 | 04:44 |
| crimsun | Burgundavia: what application? | 04:44 |
| Burgundavia | londonlaw, only available in breezy | 04:45 |
| crimsun | there's nothing wrong | 04:46 |
| crimsun | londonlaw links against wxpython 2.4, which links against wxwindows 2.4, which links against gtk 1.2 | 04:46 |
| === Burgundavia thinks that applications that look like gtk1.x are a bug | ||
| crimsun | heh | 04:47 |
| Burgundavia | I think I noticed it with jsconfigurator as well | 04:48 |
| crimsun | as soon as Ron pushes wxwidgets 2.6 into Sid/experimental, it's time to ask for a sink | 04:48 |
| crimsun | s/sink/sync | 04:48 |
| Burgundavia | sinking feeling? | 04:48 |
| Burgundavia | is there actual code changes to programs to make them work with 2.5 instead of 2.4? | 04:48 |
| crimsun | usually no | 04:49 |
| crimsun | 2.5 is compiled with abi compat with 2.4 | 04:49 |
| Burgundavia | so 2.5 does the messy work of moving from 1.x to 2.x? | 04:49 |
| crimsun | for gtk, yes, but don't use 2.5 or Ron will scream at you | 04:50 |
| Burgundavia | ok, why is that? | 04:50 |
| crimsun | particularly since he has been hassled about 2.6 enough | 04:50 |
| crimsun | that and the license issue that caused 2.5 to be ripped out of Debian | 04:50 |
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| Burgundavia | so once 2.6 comes out, we are going to have to manually rebuild all python packages to use 2.6? | 04:50 |
| Burgundavia | s/python/wxwidget | 04:51 |
| crimsun | no, because that's built as part of wxwidgets 2.6 source | 04:51 |
| crimsun | oh, packages that depend on wxpython? | 04:51 |
| crimsun | probably | 04:51 |
| Burgundavia | but apps like londonlaw?\ | 04:51 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 04:51 |
| Burgundavia | sign me up! | 04:51 |
| ajmitch | 2.5 isn't always compatible with 2.4, I've found | 04:52 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: sadly | 04:52 |
| Burgundavia | ok, so there will be some upstream development needed | 04:52 |
| Burgundavia | what was the licence issue? | 04:52 |
| crimsun | plus there's talk of introducing an abi-incompat change into 2.6 (!) | 04:52 |
| crimsun | so some people are hassling for a version bump to 2.8 (!) | 04:53 |
| crimsun | it's all quite mad | 04:53 |
| crimsun | Burgundavia: Debian#305300 | 04:54 |
| Burgundavia | ok, so a quite rundown. 2.6 is coming into debian and we will need to rebuild packages against it to get gtk2.x stuff. 2.5 didn't get into debian becuase of license issues. | 04:54 |
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| crimsun | it was in Debian, but it will not be in Sarge | 04:57 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 04:58 |
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| infinity | lamont : What was broken with samba? | 06:39 |
| lamont | dpkg love | 06:40 |
| lamont | DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE := $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE| sed 's/linux$$/linux-gnu/') | 06:41 |
| lamont | ,,, | 06:41 |
| lamont | and then fix the if below to look for linux-gnu | 06:41 |
| lamont | that's the current "traditional" fix for things that have suddenly stopped delivering lots of pieces of themselves | 06:42 |
| infinity | lamont : Have you uploaded that fix yet? | 06:43 |
| lamont | if you're lucky, the build fails. If you're not, then the package does a good job of only deciding what should be there once... | 06:43 |
| lamont | just barely | 06:43 |
| infinity | Ahh, kay. | 06:43 |
| infinity | Did you merge with Debian at the same time? | 06:43 |
| lamont | uh.... 34.0.14a-1ubuntu2 | 06:43 |
| lamont | what's debian ahve? | 06:43 |
| infinity | Kay, no then. :) I'll merge later. | 06:43 |
| dilinger | infinity: hey, is the apache2 pcre patch that you backported from 2.1 online anywhere? | 06:43 |
| infinity | (Just one revision higher in Debian, but it's an icky bug) | 06:44 |
| infinity | dilinger : The one from HEAD, or ours? | 06:44 |
| lamont | infinity: and we need to pester keybuk and find out what verbage to file in the bug in debian for fixing it...) | 06:44 |
| infinity | dilinger : Ours is obviously online, in the source package. | 06:44 |
| dilinger | infinity: i was hoping for a link that i could put in the upstream bug report | 06:44 |
| dilinger | 'cause people are reopening the bug | 06:45 |
| dilinger | linking to a diff.gz is suboptimal | 06:45 |
| lamont | infinity: you should drop that on patches.ubuntu.com | 06:45 |
| infinity | Ahh. Well, extract it and put it in your people.d.o space, then. | 06:45 |
| dilinger | infinity: then it doesn't stay up-to-date | 06:45 |
| === lamont wishes again that lunchpad was online | ||
| infinity | dilinger : How up-to-date does it need to be?... It's tracking a stable release. | 06:46 |
| lamont | s/lunch/launch/ | 06:46 |
| infinity | Mmm... lunchpad. | 06:46 |
| === infinity is hungry. | ||
| === lamont is sleepy | ||
| lamont | mirror-missing | wc -l | 06:46 |
| lamont | 150 :-( | 06:46 |
| infinity | dilinger : I need to forward-port my backport back to HEAD anyway, and submit my changes to Joe for 2.1 | 06:46 |
| infinity | dilinger : If you're feeling bored... | 06:46 |
| infinity | *cough* | 06:47 |
| dilinger | infinity: dude, i'm done w/ that crap ;p | 06:47 |
| lamont | if someone is really bored, I could use gcj support in ccache | 06:47 |
| infinity | dilinger : Heh. Fair enough. I'll find me a round tuit sometime before 2.2 releases, I'm sure. | 06:47 |
| lamont | esp since doko keeps uploading gcc-* | 06:47 |
| dilinger | i have no desire to do any sort of long term maintenance on it | 06:47 |
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| tritium | fabbione, are you around? | 07:13 |
| fabbione | tritium: yes | 07:13 |
| tritium | fabbione, there's some discussion in #ubuntu regarding kernel panics after the kernel security updates, and a thread on the forums. | 07:14 |
| fabbione | tritium: open a bug with all the info | 07:15 |
| fabbione | usual procedure | 07:15 |
| fabbione | usual info required. | 07:15 |
| tritium | fabbione, okay. | 07:16 |
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| Lathiat | eww | 07:38 |
| Lathiat | in firefox in hoary | 07:38 |
| Lathiat | if you open an unknown file you get a XUL error | 07:38 |
| Lathiat | (in this case, a .tiff) | 07:38 |
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| Lathiat | http://bur.st/~lathiat/firefox-xul-error.png | 07:42 |
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| infinity | Lathiat : Can you file a bug? | 07:52 |
| infinity | Lathiat : I'll look at it later. | 07:52 |
| infinity | Lathiat : Assign the bug to adconrad@ubuntu.com | 07:52 |
| Lathiat | infinity: ok | 08:00 |
| Lathiat | infinity: oh man | 08:03 |
| Lathiat | infinity: its *really* broken | 08:03 |
| Lathiat | the download manager doesnt work either | 08:03 |
| Amaranth | Lathiat: You went from breezy breakage to hoary breakage, nice. | 08:05 |
| Lathiat | Amaranth: oh yeh | 08:05 |
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| Lathiat | Amaranth: im still terrified of pressing random shortcut keys :) | 08:11 |
| Amaranth | hehe, i've gotten used to using the mouse for everything in gedit | 08:11 |
| Amaranth | that's the only app i use that i've had to change my habits in though | 08:11 |
| Lathiat | heh | 08:12 |
| Lathiat | ^-shift-t in g-t is what bites me most | 08:12 |
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| Amaranth | new tab, closes the window instead? | 08:12 |
| Lathiat | yeh | 08:12 |
| Amaranth | i don't do tabbed g-t, so i'm ok there | 08:12 |
| Lathiat | i dont use it that often | 08:12 |
| Lathiat | but i do it to do random things quickly | 08:12 |
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| Amaranth | nothing like a 1am phone call to scare the shit out of you | 08:15 |
| Amaranth | i thought someone died | 08:15 |
| Lathiat | tut tut Amaranth | 08:18 |
| Lathiat | smeg died. :) | 08:18 |
| Amaranth | ha | 08:18 |
| Amaranth | err, that's not possible | 08:18 |
| Amaranth | pygtk keeps it running when when you get an exception | 08:19 |
| Lathiat | by died i mean spat out a backtrace :) | 08:19 |
| Amaranth | gimme? | 08:19 |
| Lathiat | http://www.squaa.org/smeg.txt | 08:19 |
| Lathiat | trying to add an entry | 08:19 |
| Lathiat | fucking hell firefox is *totally* broken | 08:19 |
| Lathiat | bookmarks windows dont work either | 08:20 |
| Lathiat | i assume everything is plain farked | 08:20 |
| Amaranth | that's a fucked up backtrace | 08:20 |
| Lathiat | maybe i should go get the backports version ;) | 08:20 |
| Amaranth | it skips from one part of the code to another that aren't related | 08:20 |
| Amaranth | making you think .get_active() is causing the error | 08:20 |
| Lathiat | heh | 08:20 |
| Amaranth | where were you creating the entry at? | 08:21 |
| Amaranth | what menu did you have selected? | 08:21 |
| Lathiat | clicked on sound &video | 08:21 |
| Lathiat | new entry | 08:21 |
| Lathiat | put in details | 08:21 |
| Lathiat | hit ok | 08:21 |
| Lathiat | nothing happened | 08:21 |
| Lathiat | that spat out | 08:21 |
| === Amaranth tries to reproduce | ||
| Amaranth | *** glibc detected *** realloc(): invalid next size: 0x085c67b0 *** | 08:23 |
| Amaranth | Aborted | 08:23 |
| Amaranth | eek | 08:23 |
| Lathiat | uh, ouch | 08:23 |
| Amaranth | your problem is reproducable, mine isn't | 08:23 |
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| Amaranth | fuck, i forgot a True | 08:26 |
| Amaranth | change line 205 of /usr/lib/smeg/MenuHandler.py to xmlparent = self.getMenuFromPath(path, True) | 08:27 |
| Amaranth | err, that's 204, i have a debug print in there | 08:27 |
| Amaranth | that'll do until i release 0.6.1 | 08:27 |
| Amaranth | need to figure out how to load KDE icons to do that | 08:27 |
| Lathiat | :) cool | 08:27 |
| Lathiat | heh | 08:28 |
| Amaranth | or maybe not, i dunno | 08:28 |
| Lathiat | im a sick sick puppy | 08:28 |
| Lathiat | im syncing maildir from my server to my laptop | 08:29 |
| Lathiat | then running a local imap server so thunderbird can read it | 08:29 |
| Amaranth | yes, yes you are | 08:29 |
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| Amaranth | he sent me a MenuEditor class he thought i'd like to use then disappeared | 08:30 |
| Amaranth | The class kinda sucked but i took some methods from it for my MenuHandler. I gave him credit, but it's licensed under the GPL and his code didn't actually have a license with it. | 08:30 |
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| pitti | Morning | 08:45 |
| mvo | morning pitti | 08:46 |
| bob2 | daniels: fontconfig.org seems fucked. | 08:49 |
| bob2 | (dns-wise) | 08:49 |
| bob2 | hah, which isn't so surprising when it only has one dns server | 08:50 |
| daniels | that server should be alright though (gabe) | 08:50 |
| bob2 | Name Server:NS.KEITHP.COM | 08:50 |
| bob2 | (which is unreachable) | 08:50 |
| daniels | oh dear, no | 08:50 |
| daniels | right | 08:50 |
| daniels | yeah, that's the end of his DSL line | 08:50 |
| bob2 | hah | 08:51 |
| \sh | morning gentlemen | 08:51 |
| fabbione | hey pitti | 08:51 |
| fabbione | pitti: rumors are that one of the security fixes is making OOPSorama on hoary :/ | 08:52 |
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| pitti | fabbione: sounds like fun | 08:52 |
| fabbione | but i can't see how and why. nobody gave me info yet (other than rumors) | 08:52 |
| daniels | fabbione: did you see the abi thing too? | 08:52 |
| pitti | fabbione: bah, hardware problem | 08:52 |
| fabbione | daniels: yes. the abi is ok | 08:52 |
| daniels | fabbione: ok, cool | 08:53 |
| fabbione | daniels: the check is done automatically at build time, otherwise FTBFS | 08:53 |
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| pitti | trulux: when you are here, please ping me back, we need to talk about the patch again | 09:20 |
| Treenaks | pitti: have you packaged the LUKS tools already (or: are you planning to?) | 09:27 |
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| pitti | Treenaks: dist-upgrade, plugin your encrypted stick and watch the magic happen... :-) | 09:35 |
| pitti | Treenaks: i. e. yes | 09:35 |
| Treenaks | pitti: I mean the "other side" | 09:35 |
| Treenaks | pitti: i.e.: how do I create an encrypted stick :) | 09:36 |
| pitti | Treenaks: cryptsetup has the LUKS extension, pmount calls it transparently, and g-v-m asks you for a passphrase and forwards it to pmount | 09:36 |
| pitti | Treenaks: ah | 09:36 |
| pitti | Treenaks: there is not yet a GUI tool for that | 09:36 |
| pitti | Treenaks: sudo cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/foo | 09:36 |
| Treenaks | pitti: ok, "cryptsetup has the LUKS extension" was the missing piece of my puzzle | 09:36 |
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| pitti | Treenaks: sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/foo mystick | 09:36 |
| Treenaks | thanks :) | 09:37 |
| pitti | Treenaks: sudo mkfs.XXXX /dev/mapper/foo | 09:37 |
| pitti | ok | 09:37 |
| pitti | Treenaks: I recently discovered that we don't even have a GUI tool to format things other than floppies | 09:37 |
| pitti | Treenaks: somebody should write a nice pygtk thingy which calls mkfs.* on a device and supports encryption | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | pitti, why not extend the floppy formatter? | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | make it generic | 09:38 |
| Treenaks | Burgundavia: skipping "known" (i.e. mounted partitions), probably? | 09:39 |
| Treenaks | Burgundavia: and using HAL to get a list of "formatable" devices? | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:39 |
| jsgotangco | floppy formatter died on me (i don't have a floppy drive on my laptop) | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | as formatting a floppy is really the same operation as formatting a stick, from the users perspective | 09:40 |
| Treenaks | Burgundavia: clearing a CD-RW might as well be the same too | 09:40 |
| Burgundavia | good point | 09:40 |
| Treenaks | from a user pov | 09:41 |
| pitti | well, if the interface is tweaked a bit to just display the density dropdown if you actually have a floppy, that might be easier, yes | 09:41 |
| Burgundavia | it should automagically figure out the density and type | 09:41 |
| pitti | Treenaks: n-cd-burner, and probably other tools as well, automatically clean a cd-rw | 09:41 |
| Treenaks | pitti: HAL is pretty clear on that right? ('this is a floppy drive' etc0 | 09:42 |
| pitti | Burgundavia: well, I can't run Ubuntu on machines that still have low-density drives anyway :-) | 09:42 |
| Treenaks | pitti: I have a 5.25" floppy drive -- still works | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | for floppies that we can't figure it out, then it should offer the most common but have a list of the others | 09:42 |
| Treenaks | jsgotangco: I even have floppies.. we need a GWBASIC compatible BASIC interpeter! :) | 09:43 |
| pitti | Treenaks: " storage.drive_type = 'floppy' (string)" | 09:43 |
| Treenaks | pitti: so that's easy | 09:43 |
| pitti | Treenaks: but no hint about the size | 09:43 |
| Treenaks | pitti: hm.. that should probably be added then? | 09:44 |
| pitti | Treenaks: btw, if you test encrypted stuff, you can't unmount them properly in gnome yet | 09:44 |
| pitti | Treenaks: you have to use pumount for now, I only uploaded g-v-m yesterday night | 09:44 |
| Treenaks | pitti: I have to use pumount anyway, because hald crashes when I plug in my GPS | 09:44 |
| pitti | ah, that bug... | 09:45 |
| Treenaks | the 239-entry backtrace, yes :) | 09:45 |
| pitti | Treenaks: it seems easy to fix, just no time yet... | 09:46 |
| pitti | #1 0x08057695 in hal_property_new_string (key=0x8068c70 "info.product", value=0x0) at property.c:86 | 09:47 |
| pitti | ^ null string for value, and it calls a function on it | 09:47 |
| Treenaks | ah.. the string is empty/non-existent | 09:47 |
| Treenaks | "To test LUKS, you can use loop to make a blockdev out of any container file. The only requirement is that it's larger than 1mb." --> cool, 1.44M floppies work ;) | 09:47 |
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| pitti | Hey carlos, seb128 | 09:57 |
| carlos | morning | 09:58 |
| pitti | Treenaks: I'm not at fixing hal, I'll fix that at a very low level to catch similar issues as well | 09:58 |
| Treenaks | pitti: ok | 09:59 |
| pitti | Treenaks: argh, s/not/now/ | 09:59 |
| Treenaks | pitti: even more ok :) | 09:59 |
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| pitti | Treenaks: are you on i386? | 10:03 |
| Treenaks | pitti: yes | 10:04 |
| pitti | Treenaks: okay, I give you test debs in a minute | 10:04 |
| Treenaks | pitti: but I'm not near the machine now, and the card isn't plugged in | 10:04 |
| pitti | ah, too bad | 10:04 |
| pitti | Treenaks: well, then I just upload | 10:04 |
| pitti | I *know* my fix must be right *hehe* | 10:04 |
| Treenaks | ;) | 10:04 |
| seb128 | hey pitti ! | 10:07 |
| Amaranth | seb128: btw, pyxdg 0.11 is good now | 10:11 |
| Amaranth | seb128: he pulled the release and put it back up when we fixed the bug | 10:11 |
| seb128 | hum? | 10:12 |
| seb128 | he did 2 different 0.11? | 10:12 |
| Amaranth | yeah, not my idea | 10:12 |
| seb128 | some upstream deserve some kicks | 10:13 |
| Amaranth | afaik the first one was only up about 45 minutes | 10:13 |
| seb128 | not a reason | 10:13 |
| daniels | that's what 0.11.1 is for | 10:13 |
| Amaranth | yeah | 10:13 |
| seb128 | please tell him for next time :) | 10:13 |
| Amaranth | i did the same thing with smeg though :) | 10:14 |
| Amaranth | i uploaded 0.6, found the bug in pyxdg and pulled it. then i fixed some other little bugs in smeg and uploaded it again as 0.6 | 10:14 |
| seb128 | what the issue with 0.6.1? | 10:14 |
| Burgundavia | Amaranth, that is very bad, because as a user, if I downloaded it before your pulled it, I would think I have the latest version | 10:15 |
| seb128 | packaging wise too | 10:15 |
| Amaranth | Burgundavia: I know, it was stupid. In my defense, I had been up 27 hours at the time. | 10:15 |
| seb128 | if somebody packages the new version there is no way to change the .orig.tar.gz | 10:15 |
| Amaranth | smeg 0.6.1? | 10:15 |
| seb128 | yep | 10:15 |
| Amaranth | line 204 in MenuHandler.py (/usr/lib/smeg/) needs to be xmlparent = self.getMenuFromPath(path, True) | 10:16 |
| Amaranth | unless i figure out how to load KDE icons in the next hour i'm going to release 0.6.1 with just that | 10:16 |
| Amaranth | then i need a MOTU to sponsor my package :) | 10:17 |
| Treenaks | Amaranth: who wants those anyway ;) | 10:17 |
| Lathiat | Amaranth: another bug, new items dont appear in smeg | 10:17 |
| Lathiat | Amaranth: as in when you create them with smeg | 10:17 |
| Amaranth | Lathiat: It's a timing issue, I think. If you click on the menu again they show up. | 10:17 |
| \sh | Amaranth: smeg == python kde? | 10:17 |
| Amaranth | smeg == gnome 2.10 menu editor | 10:17 |
| \sh | hehe | 10:17 |
| Amaranth | yes, i know what smegma is | 10:18 |
| \sh | whats your problem then with kde icons? | 10:18 |
| Amaranth | appearently they aren't in the hicolor theme so i need to load them another way | 10:18 |
| seb128 | kubuntu guys have fixed that now | 10:19 |
| Amaranth | i was told that was fixed in kde CVS for the apps they ship, at least | 10:19 |
| \sh | Amaranth: u read riddells blog entry? | 10:19 |
| seb128 | \sh: you need to be agressive? when he changed that this was hoary | 10:19 |
| seb128 | and KDE/hoary is b0rked | 10:19 |
| Amaranth | kubuntu guys fixing it doesn't help gentoo and freebsd users :) | 10:20 |
| Amaranth | and no, that entry isn't showing up on planet ubuntu, is he on there? | 10:20 |
| seb128 | neither hoary users | 10:20 |
| Amaranth | I guess PyXDG has something for this, but I need to get the name of the being used. | 10:20 |
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| Amaranth | err, the name of the theme | 10:21 |
| \sh | Amaranth: <ironicmode>You don't need to think about gentoo, all the guys are leaving gentoo</ironicmode> | 10:21 |
| Amaranth | which as far as i can see gtk.IconTheme doesn't give me | 10:21 |
| Kamion | lamont: Keybuk said that the s/linux/linux-gnu/ thing was inappropriate, and that we should be preferring DEB_HOST_ARCH_OS if available instead | 10:27 |
| mjg59 | AndyFitz: Could you possibly stick a copy of /proc/acpi/dsdt from your Dell up somewhere? | 10:31 |
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| AndyFitz | mjg59, sure thing | 10:34 |
| Burgundavia | AndyFitz, is there a way to preview the artwork stuff you are doing? | 10:34 |
| Burgundavia | AndyFitz, to give feedback? | 10:34 |
| AndyFitz | Burgundavia, it will be be packaged into ubuntu-artwork shortly if not already | 10:35 |
| Burgundavia | AndyFitz, cool, thanks | 10:35 |
| AndyFitz | brb | 10:35 |
| Burgundavia | AndyFitz, I have seen no update to ubuntu-artwork | 10:35 |
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| Amaranth | do the gconf python bindings come in python's pygtk package? | 10:38 |
| Lathiat | i think so | 10:38 |
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| Nafallo | hi all! | 10:41 |
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| seb128 | gconf is a python-gnome stuff, not pygtk | 10:44 |
| Amaranth | python-gnome2 or python-gnome2-extras? | 10:45 |
| Amaranth | nevermind, it's python-gnome2 | 10:46 |
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| AndyFitz | mjg59 pmed | 10:47 |
| Lathiat | woo ipw2200 monitor mode | 10:52 |
| Treenaks | \o/ | 10:52 |
| fabbione | yeah except that dpatch made the upload useless | 10:57 |
| fabbione | a new kernel will be on the way soon | 10:57 |
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| Lathiat | fabbione: thanks ;) | 11:13 |
| Lathiat | fabbione: ive gone back to hoary for the moment anyway | 11:13 |
| Lathiat | the X breakage is hurting my productivity | 11:14 |
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| seb128 | elmo: xpdf/hoary is b0rked according to some mail on the user list, the hoary index has a main path and the package is universe on the pool | 11:34 |
| elmo | seb128: err, right | 11:38 |
| elmo | more to the point, tho, xpdf wants to come back into main | 11:38 |
| seb128 | do you know why? | 11:38 |
| mjg59 | Hmm. I should really write up the HP stuff. | 11:38 |
| elmo | cupsys b-ds on it | 11:39 |
| elmo | o xpdf: xpdf-common, xpdf-utils | 11:39 |
| elmo | [Reverse-Depends: cupsys] | 11:39 |
| elmo | err, depends even | 11:39 |
| seb128 | urg | 11:39 |
| seb128 | pitti: why, WHY? :) | 11:40 |
| pitti | seb128: cups uses xpdf to convert PDF to Postscript | 11:40 |
| pitti | seb128: in former times it used a verbatim copy of xpdf copy, which was *evil* | 11:40 |
| seb128 | k | 11:40 |
| seb128 | maybe it could use poppler? :p | 11:40 |
| Lathiat | haha | 11:40 |
| pitti | seb128: why is this a problem? | 11:40 |
| pitti | seb128: I mean, why has xpdf to be demoted to universe? | 11:41 |
| seb128 | xpdf is ugly, do we need it for main? | 11:41 |
| elmo | pitti: daniels wants to drop lesstif | 11:41 |
| pitti | seb128: we can still have evince as default pdf viewer | 11:41 |
| seb128 | right | 11:41 |
| elmo | so he can drop/not deal with xprint, AFAICR | 11:41 |
| pitti | elmo: oh, that would indeed be nice | 11:41 |
| seb128 | but we have 2 basecodes to support then | 11:41 |
| elmo | and xpdf is the last lesstif holdout | 11:41 |
| pitti | well, cups does not need the frontend part | 11:41 |
| seb128 | I don't really care, you are the one doing security support | 11:41 |
| pitti | seb128: supporting xpdf is reasonably easy, but supporting the old lesstif is a pita | 11:42 |
| seb128 | k | 11:42 |
| seb128 | any the hoary filename is b0rked | 11:42 |
| seb128 | that is to fix :) | 11:42 |
| pitti | seb128, elmo: but does xpdf-utils really depend on lesstif? | 11:42 |
| seb128 | no idea | 11:42 |
| pitti | (I can't see a dependency) | 11:42 |
| pitti | no, it doesn't | 11:43 |
| pitti | elmo: I can happily purge lesstif*, this only removes xpdf-reader, but not xpdf-utils | 11:43 |
| pitti | seb128: ^ | 11:43 |
| Lathiat | firefox seems to have fixed itself | 11:43 |
| Lathiat | infinity: firefox seems to have fixed itself, nfi wtf was u | 11:44 |
| Lathiat | infinity: p | 11:44 |
| elmo | pitti: I think we should split the source, like we did for php4, dropping xpdf-reader entirely (rather than just demoting it to universe) is a bit harsh | 11:44 |
| pitti | seb128: I would like to have xpdf-utils in main, it's really useful | 11:44 |
| seb128 | pitti: I don't really care as said, I just thought than having xpdf to support too is extra work | 11:45 |
| pitti | elmo: can't we have -reader in universe, and -utils in main? we are already doing this for a number of packages | 11:45 |
| pitti | seb128: right | 11:45 |
| elmo | pitti: no, -utils's source package (currently xpdf) has to be in main, if it's in main | 11:45 |
| elmo | if it's in main, it's b-d's (i.e. lesstif) have to be in main | 11:45 |
| pitti | ah, crap, rihgt | 11:45 |
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| pitti | elmo: okay, splitting the package would make sense | 11:46 |
| pitti | shall I try? | 11:46 |
| elmo | sure | 11:46 |
| Lathiat | Amaranth: tip: "Smeg Menu Editor" | 11:47 |
| Amaranth | Lathiat: SMEG = Simple Menu Editor for GNOME | 11:47 |
| Burgundavia | Amaranth, you toot tip, should be "Edit the menus" or something similar | 11:48 |
| Burgundavia | s/toot/tool | 11:48 |
| Lathiat | Amaranth: yes but the menu item | 11:48 |
| Lathiat | Amaranth: should say "Smeg Menu Editor" | 11:48 |
| Lathiat | Amaranth: because "smeg" means nothing to someone | 11:48 |
| Burgundavia | no | 11:49 |
| Burgundavia | it should say Menu Editor | 11:49 |
| Lathiat | Amaranth: take "Firefox Web Browser", "Gaim Instant Messenger" for example | 11:49 |
| Burgundavia | or SMEG Menu Editor | 11:49 |
| bob2 | calling a serious app "smeg" seems a bit wrong | 11:49 |
| Lathiat | bob2: heh | 11:49 |
| Lathiat | bob2: but its so good | 11:49 |
| pitti | elmo: would it be okay for you for "xpdf" source to only build -reader, and have the same orig.tar.gz for the source pkg "xpdf-utils" which spits out -common and -utils? copying the orig.tar.gz is a bit redundant, but actually separating the code is much work | 11:51 |
| Amaranth | btw, what should my first entry into a debian/changelog be? | 11:51 |
| elmo | pitti: sure, it's only 500K | 11:52 |
| pitti | ok | 11:52 |
| pitti | then that should be fairly easy | 11:52 |
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| Lathiat | Amaranth: * Initial revision. or something | 11:53 |
| Lathiat | * hai2u, kthxbai | 11:53 |
| Amaranth | would "Initial packaging" work? | 11:53 |
| Lathiat | "initial release" seems popular | 11:54 |
| Amaranth | *shrug* | 11:54 |
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| pitti | seb128: in fact, libpoppler actually sounds interesting... | 11:57 |
| seb128 | yep | 11:58 |
| pitti | seb128: if it has a reasonably easy interface, I'd rather convert cups to use poppler than to have the pain of keeping two xpdf packages | 12:00 |
| pitti | seb128: the code should be based on xpdf, does evince use poppler? (to get an impression of the quality) | 12:00 |
| seb128 | it should | 12:00 |
| seb128 | yes, it does | 12:01 |
| seb128 | they have switch from xpdf to poppler like 2-3 months ago | 12:01 |
| pitti | seb128: does poppler have a nice command line tool? | 12:02 |
| seb128 | no | 12:02 |
| seb128 | that's only a lib atm | 12:03 |
| Amaranth | Lathiat: 0.6.1 is out :) | 12:03 |
| Lathiat | Amaranth: heh | 12:03 |
| Lathiat | that was fast | 12:03 |
| Amaranth | yeah, i have up on the icon stuff | 12:03 |
| Amaranth | err, gave | 12:03 |
| seb128 | pitti: you can read the README, there is some details on poppler here | 12:04 |
| Amaranth | damn, one warning in lintian because of a copy/paste job | 12:04 |
| pitti | seb128: actually, having a proper pdf library was a longstanding wish for the packages that copied xpdf code, like cupsys and tetex | 12:05 |
| Amaranth | so rushed to release i forgot to check :) | 12:05 |
| pitti | seb128: so I rather invest my time to use the lib than to whack up xpdf, I guess | 12:05 |
| seb128 | better option I think yes | 12:05 |
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| mdke | morning ogras | 12:10 |
| Kamion | um. is http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html really true? | 12:12 |
| Kamion | zero uninstallables seems a bit optimistic | 12:12 |
| thom | seems extremely optimistic | 12:12 |
| pitti | seb128: hmm, ENODOCUMENTATION... :-( | 12:12 |
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| Lathiat | thom: heh | 12:13 |
| Kamion | I think I must have caught it in the middle of mirroring; fixed | 12:13 |
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| Kamion | well, "fixed" | 12:13 |
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| Kamion | that's more like it, THE ENTIRE WORLD is uninstallable | 12:14 |
| elmo | 15 4,10,16,22 * * * sh /home/archvsync/archive-sync | 12:15 |
| elmo | kamion: ^-- rookery's mirroring, FWIW | 12:15 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'm asking on #evince if they have some hidden files about the API or something :) | 12:15 |
| Kamion | elmo: the britney mirror's a separate job; runs at 15,45 * * * * | 12:15 |
| Kamion | but thanks | 12:15 |
| elmo | err, you do your own mirroring? | 12:16 |
| elmo | anyway, if you do, I'd switch that to like 0,30, that's just before the cron.daily | 12:16 |
| elmo | (I'm assuming/hoping you're only mirroring Packages/Sources, so that should be more than enough time) | 12:16 |
| ogra | i'm just patching dupload to have ubuntu as the first mirror, by default the $default_host variable is commented out, is it ok to set it to ubuntu and uncomment it by default ? | 12:24 |
| jsgotangco | bye bye | 12:24 |
| mdke | night | 12:25 |
| \sh | ogra: what about a postinst script for adjusting the settings | 12:27 |
| ogra | \sh, why, the default config is there... no need to fiddle with scripts in it... | 12:27 |
| \sh | ogra: right | 12:28 |
| ogra | ok, if there are no further objections, i'll upload it... | 12:29 |
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| mdke | ogra, get my message? | 12:32 |
| Kamion | elmo: it's not mirroring the archive, I haven't set up the separate britney run on rookery yet; it's only mirroring the output of the britney run on jackass, i.e. one HTML file and one text file | 12:34 |
| elmo | kamion: _oh_ | 12:34 |
| Kamion | I've shoved it back five minutes though | 12:34 |
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| ogra | :) | 12:43 |
| \sh | hmm | 12:44 |
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| Netsnipe | hi everyone | 12:44 |
| \sh | libdnet-0.29 after renaming libdnetc2-0.29-0ubuntu1 ? | 12:44 |
| Netsnipe | seb128: ping | 12:44 |
| seb128 | pong | 12:44 |
| Netsnipe | seb128: can you please sync balsa and tsclient in ubuntu against what's currently in sarge? | 12:45 |
| Netsnipe | seb128: you guys are a bit behind and there's been a tonne of stabilisation patches = ) | 12:45 |
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| \sh | argl...native package | 12:46 |
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| Netsnipe | seb128_: can you please sync balsa and tsclient in ubuntu against what's currently in sarge? | 12:47 |
| Netsnipe | seb128_: you guys are a bit behind and there's been a tonne of stabilisation patches = ) | 12:47 |
| Kamion | Netsnipe: we have automatic bugs to remind us of merges | 12:47 |
| seb128_ | <seb128> no need to ask for syncs | 12:47 |
| Kamion | they will all get done by upstream version freeze | 12:47 |
| seb128_ | <seb128> just wait | 12:47 |
| Netsnipe | seb128_: never saw that message. | 12:48 |
| seb128_ | that's why I copy it | 12:48 |
| Netsnipe | heh. | 12:48 |
| seb128_ | anyway balsa is universe | 12:48 |
| seb128_ | so not a priority | 12:48 |
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| Kamion | e.g. https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10412 | 12:49 |
| Netsnipe | seb128_: 2.3.0-2 that you copied had a RC bug | 12:49 |
| ogra | Netsnipe, MOTU will care for balsa... if you got a prob with a universe package, feel free to join #ubuntu-motu ;) | 12:49 |
| seb128_ | I didn't copied 2.3.0-2 | 12:49 |
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| Kamion | also note the T-14 and T-13 weeks stages of http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCycle | 12:49 |
| Netsnipe | ogra: seb128 is my counterpart in the "parallel universe" | 12:52 |
| ogra | hehe | 12:52 |
| Netsnipe | seb128: http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/b/balsa/balsa_2.3.0-2ubuntu1/changelog doesn't list any other patches | 12:52 |
| Netsnipe | but anyway...I've got nothing else to add | 12:53 |
| Netsnipe | take your time. I've done all my hard work doing the squishing | 12:53 |
| seb128_ | Netsnipe: yeah, I need to sync | 12:53 |
| Netsnipe | thanks seb128_ | 12:53 |
| Netsnipe | seb128_: if you're too busy you could always hassle me to join MOTU | 12:53 |
| seb128_ | we could do that automatically if the Debian package was using a current version of gtkhtml | 12:53 |
| seb128_ | IIRC it uses 3.2 | 12:53 |
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| Netsnipe | seb128_: want to do some testing against the 3.5? | 12:56 |
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| Netsnipe | s/to/me to/ | 12:56 |
| seb128_ | no, that's fine | 12:56 |
| seb128_ | I will do the sync now | 12:56 |
| seb128_ | just changing the Build-Depends to 3.6 | 12:56 |
| Netsnipe | seb128_: against 2.3,0-2sarge1 or 2.3.2-1? | 12:57 |
| seb128_ | current | 12:57 |
| seb128_ | is: 2.3.2 | 12:57 |
| Netsnipe | that's fine | 12:58 |
| Netsnipe | btw: please pass on thanks to Ati (whoever does your Xhosa translations) from Erick Woods (upstream for tsclient) | 12:59 |
| Netsnipe | s/Ati/Adi/ | 12:59 |
| Netsnipe | it's strange how that translation got to him | 12:59 |
| Netsnipe | seb128 merged it into the ubuntu package | 12:59 |
| Netsnipe | I merged it into the debian package | 12:59 |
| Netsnipe | and then upstream merged the debian patches | 12:59 |
| seb128_ | he he | 01:01 |
| seb128_ | does upstream have a bug tracker or something? | 01:01 |
| seb128_ | I've no idea on what to do about tsclient bugs | 01:01 |
| seb128_ | which is a pity | 01:01 |
| Netsnipe | seb128_: pretty much I am. | 01:01 |
| Netsnipe | seb128_: he's on my gaim list | 01:01 |
| seb128_ | they should ask to use bugzilla.gnome.org | 01:01 |
| Netsnipe | seb128_: I'll hassle him about that. | 01:02 |
| seb128_ | we have 8 bugs open on tsclient | 01:02 |
| Netsnipe | seb128_: yeah. I'll pass those on to him | 01:03 |
| seb128_ | thanks | 01:03 |
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| Netsnipe | oh well gotta go. I'll get tsclient 0.140-1 uploaded into unstable once 0.132-7 gets pushed into testing | 01:04 |
| Netsnipe | later seb128 | 01:04 |
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| pitti | seb128: oh, libpoppler-glib-dev has a nice API, in contrast to libpoppler-dev | 01:28 |
| Amaranth | i suspect libpoppler-glib is what evince uses :) | 01:28 |
| doko | mvo: aptitude fails on amd64 and ia64. why doesn't aptitude b-dep on gettext und uses the system libintl? | 01:29 |
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| mvo | doko: let me have a look | 01:32 |
| doko_ | mvo: aptitude fails on amd64 and ia64. why doesn't aptitude b-dep on gettext und uses the system libintl? | 01:32 |
| mvo | doko_: I'll have a look | 01:33 |
| pitti | seb128, elmo: forget the xpdf split, I modified xpdf's pdftops script to compile with poppler | 01:37 |
| pitti | s/script/program/ | 01:38 |
| elmo | you mean cupsys's pdftops? | 01:38 |
| pitti | elmo: no, that's a perl script that calls pdf2ps from xpdf-utils | 01:38 |
| elmo | ah | 01:39 |
| pitti | elmo: we can replace that pdf2ps by a lightweight version that uses libpoppler | 01:39 |
| pitti | the only question is whether I shall just integrate this into cupsys, or create a new source package "poppler-utils" or so | 01:39 |
| pitti | .. or modify the libpoppler source to create a new deb | 01:39 |
| pitti | right now I'd favor the cups integration | 01:40 |
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| Burgundavia | ok, dumb question | 01:43 |
| Burgundavia | when Debian moves the GFDL stuff to non-free, is Ubuntu going to follow that? | 01:44 |
| elmo | no | 01:44 |
| Amaranth | GFDL is non-free? wtf | 01:44 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 01:44 |
| robtaylor | Amaranth: where have you been?! | 01:44 |
| Amaranth | appearently in the land of the sane | 01:44 |
| Amaranth | what's the argument? | 01:44 |
| Burgundavia | basically the screwballs at -legal decided taht GFDL is non-free because it has some yucky bits | 01:44 |
| robtaylor | GFDL is non-free in lots (3) nasty ways | 01:44 |
| mjg59 | Amaranth: It restricts various things that should be allowed | 01:45 |
| Burgundavia | and thus all docs are moving to non0free | 01:45 |
| bob2 | Amaranth: the gfdl is terrible | 01:45 |
| Burgundavia | inlcuding useful things like, say 'man gcc' | 01:45 |
| bob2 | Burgundavia: lots of useful things are non-free | 01:45 |
| Burgundavia | which means those things will not be installed by default | 01:45 |
| bob2 | it's a shame, but you can't go pretending they're not just because it would be nice | 01:45 |
| Burgundavia | bob2, but to call the GFDL non-free is splits the hairs ont eh back of the flea | 01:45 |
| bob2 | it's really not | 01:45 |
| Amaranth | so basically all the documentation is moving to non-free | 01:45 |
| elmo | Burgundavia: no, it's really not | 01:45 |
| elmo | Burgundavia: this has nothing to do with -legal being full of morons these days | 01:46 |
| bob2 | Amaranth: only documentation under that silly license | 01:46 |
| elmo | the GFDL really isn't free | 01:46 |
| Burgundavia | yes, the GFDL is not very nice | 01:46 |
| mjg59 | Burgundavia: Approximately nobody within Debian claims that the GFDL is free | 01:46 |
| mvo | doko: aptitude fails because of a error in the configure bit that checks for gettext | 01:46 |
| Burgundavia | mjg59, but where is the sanity? | 01:47 |
| bob2 | Burgundavia: blame gnu for concocting such a silly license | 01:47 |
| Amaranth | all of wikipedia is under that license... :/ | 01:47 |
| mjg59 | Burgundavia: We're working with the FSF to try to fix the license | 01:47 |
| bob2 | Amaranth: which is another shame, but see what mjg59 is saying | 01:47 |
| Burgundavia | bob2, CC wasn't out then | 01:47 |
| robtaylor | Burgundavia: blame RMS for just going ' you dont understand' when anyoen tries to discuss it... | 01:47 |
| mjg59 | The FSF are receptive | 01:48 |
| bob2 | Burgundavia: CC is also non-free | 01:48 |
| Amaranth | but you'd have to get every contributor to wikipedia to accept the new one | 01:48 |
| Amaranth | not possible | 01:48 |
| bob2 | Burgundavia: if you want a free documentation license, use the GPL or MIT | 01:48 |
| Amaranth | anyone got a link to the debian-legal archive for all this? | 01:48 |
| Burgundavia | bob2, ok, they are not specifically meant for docs | 01:48 |
| bob2 | Burgundavia: indeed, but they're still better license for documentation than CC or the GFDL are | 01:48 |
| Amaranth | CC isn't either | 01:48 |
| Burgundavia | Amaranth, about once a month it gets talked about | 01:48 |
| bob2 | Amaranth: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html | 01:49 |
| mjg59 | CC is also being worked on | 01:49 |
| Amaranth | in other news, i hate hoary | 01:49 |
| Burgundavia | elmo, what I really care about is that ubuntu is not goign to follow this absolutely insane path | 01:49 |
| robtaylor | Burgundavia: doesnt matter, you still often want to combine code and documentation, so licensing *needs* to be compatible. and preferably identical | 01:49 |
| robtaylor | ;) | 01:49 |
| Amaranth | Burgundavia: where could they move the docs to? restricted? that'd be silly | 01:49 |
| Burgundavia | robtaylor, I understand all the legal issues, but there are times to use a nuke and times to use a popgun. This is using nuke to kill a flea | 01:50 |
| robtaylor | what *exactly* is the defining chacteristic of main vs retrictued, univers vs multiverse? | 01:50 |
| robtaylor | i though it was free/non-free, but obviously not... | 01:50 |
| Amaranth | multiverse is like universe's restricted, i think | 01:51 |
| robtaylor | Burgundavia: you're overestimating the issues dramatically | 01:51 |
| bob2 | main is free and supported, restrictes i non-free (drivers) and supported, universe is free and supported, multiverse is non-free and not supported | 01:51 |
| mjg59 | Burgundavia: Would you prefer that Debian place something that doesn't meet the DFSG in main? | 01:51 |
| Burgundavia | I see all the license agruments, this is what I also see | 01:51 |
| aj | what, like the text of the GPL? :-P | 01:51 |
| robtaylor | bob2: so gfdl docs wwill go in restricted/multi? | 01:51 |
| Burgundavia | I type in 'man gcc' and I get nothing on a fresh install | 01:51 |
| mjg59 | aj: Bah. Yes, well, that case is special. | 01:51 |
| mjg59 | Burgundavia: Right. And how do you propose that be fixed? | 01:52 |
| robtaylor | aj: taht iws frewew | 01:52 |
| bob2 | Burgundavia: you get that anyway, since gcc isn't installed on ubuntu or debian by default | 01:52 |
| Amaranth | the text of the GPL is under the GFDL? :) | 01:52 |
| robtaylor | ARGH. I'vew broken my keyboard | 01:52 |
| Burgundavia | bob2, man $program, where $doc is gfdl | 01:52 |
| mjg59 | Burgundavia: (Leaving it in main isn't really possible without changing the social contract) | 01:52 |
| Amaranth | if it's in main it has to be Free | 01:53 |
| mjg59 | Amaranth: Correct | 01:53 |
| Burgundavia | mjg59, that is cutting the world very black and white, which it is not | 01:53 |
| mjg59 | So we can do that by fixing the license, which is what we're trying to do | 01:53 |
| mjg59 | Burgundavia: "Free" or "Non-free" is a black and white choice | 01:53 |
| bob2 | Burgundavia: a) this has been put off until after sarge, b) people are trying to unfuck the GFDL before the next release so that doesn't have to happen | 01:53 |
| pitti | daniels: is xpdf the only thing that still requires lesstif? | 01:56 |
| elmo | yes | 01:56 |
| elmo | he fixed vim yesterday | 01:56 |
| pitti | cool | 01:57 |
| Burgundavia | mjg59, bob2, robtaylor I see all the issues, and I have now read most of the emails and position statements, and I understand why Debian is oding it, but it still strike me as insane and overkill | 01:57 |
| mjg59 | Burgundavia: If somebody can come up with a better solution, we're willing to do it | 01:58 |
| mjg59 | But non-free stuff in main is not an acceptable long term solution | 01:58 |
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| robtaylor | -- | 01:59 |
| trulux | pitti: ping | 02:03 |
| pitti | Hi trulux | 02:04 |
| trulux | pitti: hey fellow | 02:04 |
| daniels | pitti: yep, so we can demote that to universe soon, and then later demote xp when mozilla gets fixed | 02:11 |
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| lamont | Kamion: ok. I'll make a note of that. | 02:17 |
| lamont | infinity: <Kamion> lamont: Keybuk said that the s/linux/linux-gnu/ thing was inappropriate, and that we should be preferring DEB_HOST_ARCH_OS if available instead | 02:18 |
| lamont | infinity: for when you do the samba merge | 02:18 |
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| Burgundavia | mjg59, that is the catch, as there is no easy solution | 02:21 |
| kiko | yo hackers of the 21st century | 02:23 |
| bob2 | yo-yo, ki-ko | 02:23 |
| daniels | wassup kiks | 02:25 |
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| pitti | hey kiko, how's going | 02:25 |
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| kiko | it's all cooking third-worldly | 02:27 |
| kiko | enrico! | 02:27 |
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| enrico | hi! | 02:28 |
| AndyFitz | centreicq is so underrated | 02:28 |
| seb128 | elmo: tsclient sync | 02:29 |
| elmo | seb128: done | 02:29 |
| seb128 | thanks | 02:29 |
| Mithrandir | apt should accept comma separated lists on the command line. | 02:30 |
| maswan | elmo: Hmm. We still occasionally fail the archive-sync, and this with a timeout on an rsync that has run for 15 minutes. | 02:31 |
| maswan | elmo: isn't that a bit tight? | 02:31 |
| elmo | maswan: the timeout's definitely set to 7200? | 02:31 |
| elmo | I can do some tests, but I suspect it's not dropping on our end? | 02:32 |
| maswan | ftp-deb 41392 32062 0 14:32:06 pts/2 0:00 /usr/local/bin/rsync -rltv --timeout 7200 --exclude Packages* --exclude Sources* --exclude Release* --exclude Archive-Update-in-Progress-ftp.acc.umu.se se@syncproxy.ubuntu.com::ubuntu /export/ftp/mirror//ubuntu | 02:32 |
| maswan | that's the full command line that fails | 02:32 |
| maswan | (well, some of the time) | 02:32 |
| elmo | maswan: sorry, no, I mean it _is_ definitely 7200 on our end too | 02:32 |
| lamont | poxml: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3) but it is not installable | 02:32 |
| maswan | ah, ok. | 02:32 |
| lamont | poor d-i | 02:32 |
| elmo | it's the same config + rsync as archive.u.c and I see long-running (days) rsyncs on that box | 02:32 |
| maswan | this is quite odd then. | 02:32 |
| ogra | AndyFitz, its perl, what do you expect ? ;) | 02:33 |
| maswan | well, yeah, but the timeout doesn't trigger as long as both ends talk to eachother, even if it is slowly | 02:33 |
| elmo | maswan: well, if you can reproduce it reliably I can, strace our end | 02:33 |
| maswan | the issue here is that some of the time, the local file system traversal takes ~5 minutes, during which it times out. | 02:33 |
| maswan | Hmm. Well, I can try. | 02:34 |
| elmo | btw, according to the docs, our timeout setting overrides yours (as the client) | 02:34 |
| maswan | Ah, ok. | 02:35 |
| maswan | rsync: read error: Connection timed out | 02:35 |
| maswan | rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(162) | 02:35 |
| maswan | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (3609970 bytes read so far) | 02:35 |
| maswan | rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(150) | 02:35 |
| maswan | that's the error message btw | 02:35 |
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| maswan | I'll see if I can make it reproducible | 02:36 |
| elmo | I'm stracing the current rsync atm | 02:36 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ping? | 02:37 |
| maswan | hope it fails then. :) | 02:37 |
| elmo | maswan: nah, it worked :( | 02:41 |
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| elmo | how often are you syncing? | 02:47 |
| Lathiat | ] | 02:47 |
| Nafallo | elmo: 10 04,10,16,20 | 02:48 |
| elmo | OH, two part sync. duh | 02:49 |
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| maswan | elmo: :/ | 02:56 |
| AndyFitz | breezy, its so unstable its practically on par with my ex ;) | 02:56 |
| doko | bug reports that the world needs: | 02:56 |
| doko | #287539: [l10n] Initial Czech translation of norwegian debconf messages | 02:57 |
| \sh | ahahha | 02:57 |
| Mithrandir | doko: :P | 02:57 |
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| \sh | Mithrandir: ping :) need debhelper ;) | 02:58 |
| Nafallo | daniels: yay! latest xorg built on amd64 here :-). | 02:58 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: forget it | 02:58 |
| maswan | elmo: thing is, it works almost always when I run it manually. but for some reason, the cron:ed one breaks now and then. | 02:58 |
| doko | Mithrandir: btw, should an aspell dictionary depend on libaspell or aspell-bin/aspell ? | 02:58 |
| elmo | maswan: maybe strace on your end? | 02:59 |
| Mithrandir | doko: unsure. | 02:59 |
| maswan | elmo: It just seems like it is hitting the timeout, but a 5 or 10 minute timeout, not the proper long one. | 02:59 |
| pitti | cupsys_1.1.23-7ubuntu2_source.changes ACCEPTED -> bye bye, xpdf! | 03:00 |
| lamont | Subject: Log for failed build of xorg_6.8.2-19 (dist=breezy) | 03:00 |
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| fabbione | ahah i knew that! | 03:01 |
| lamont | pitti: so what do I use to display pdf's on my screen then? | 03:01 |
| Mithrandir | lamont: evince | 03:01 |
| lamont | or is it just that cupsys used to use xpdf? | 03:01 |
| fabbione | no wonder amd64 did succeed.. it was the only one tested | 03:01 |
| lamont | Mithrandir: what an obvious name | 03:01 |
| pitti | lamont: I converted cupsys to use libpoppler | 03:01 |
| Amaranth | lamont: it's menu entry is "Evince Document Viewer" | 03:02 |
| Amaranth | evince > * though, it's starting be turn into something like OS X's Preview | 03:02 |
| lamont | Amaranth: there's a menu? :-) | 03:02 |
| Mithrandir | lamont: beneath the pile of terminals. | 03:03 |
| lamont | Mithrandir: nah - that's the desktop | 03:03 |
| thom | why is it in GRAPHICS though? | 03:03 |
| Amaranth | thom: good question | 03:03 |
| Mithrandir | thom: it has a window => graphics, surely. | 03:03 |
| thom | I WANT TO READ A DOCUMENT. GRAPHICS IS NOT THE OBVIOUS CHOICE | 03:03 |
| lamont | thom: because it runs on a grahpics system? | 03:03 |
| maswan | elmo: I'll try. | 03:03 |
| Amaranth | thom: gpdf and iirc xpdf got put there too | 03:03 |
| Mithrandir | thom: clickyclicky on the file itself, then? | 03:03 |
| thom | Amaranth: they were in the wrong place, too | 03:03 |
| thom | Mithrandir: *sssh* | 03:04 |
| Burgundavia | thom, ggv is still there | 03:04 |
| Amaranth | thom: not sure office would be better though, since it opens tiffs and such too | 03:04 |
| kiko | Kamion, is the surak-call today? | 03:04 |
| ogra | kiko, i was just about to ask | 03:04 |
| fabbione | daniels, doko: you forgot to update the MANIFEST files.... | 03:04 |
| ogra | kiko, my evolution calendar thinks it | 03:04 |
| Xof | I hesitate to make this suggestion, but since evince is demonstrably both an image viewer and a piece of office software, why not give it entries in both menus? | 03:05 |
| fabbione | daniels, doko: please do not forget sparc and hppa, kthxbye | 03:05 |
| Burgundavia | Xof, that means two .desktop files and all the attendant fun, plus menu bloat | 03:06 |
| daniels | fabbione: hm, I thought I did the MANIFESTs for everything | 03:07 |
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| Amaranth | i see you guys have all these people making logos and mascots for breezy, how do i get in on the action? smeg could use some icon love :) | 03:08 |
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| Xof | Burgundavia: does that answer boil up to "our software doesn't let you do that at the moment, and it's a bad idea anyway because I believe everything in the world should fit in exactly one category"? | 03:08 |
| fabbione | daniels: apparently not.. check the logs.. | 03:08 |
| Burgundavia | Xof, our software doesn't do it and it is a bad idea | 03:08 |
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| fabbione | bbl | 03:08 |
| Xof | that's a shame | 03:08 |
| Amaranth | Xof: More like "the standard doesn't allow that and it's a bad idea anyway because some apps would end up in every menu and look ridiculous" | 03:09 |
| Nafallo | *hrm* nvu *hrm* ;-) | 03:09 |
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| Simira | Nafallo: did you say your gf wanted a gerbil? We've got one too much atm... | 03:10 |
| Xof | OK, well, it's not my distribution: by all means do what you think is right -- but I can't honestly say that your answers have seemed to be any more than rationalization | 03:11 |
| Burgundavia | Xof, there are good reasons why you don't want an app in multiple categories | 03:11 |
| Xof | I believe you | 03:11 |
| Kamion | fabbione: yo | 03:12 |
| Kamion | kiko: erm, yes, probably, but I want mdz to be around if possible | 03:12 |
| Nafallo | Simira: dunno. I could call her :-). | 03:13 |
| Kamion | kiko: they seem to be reluctant to give me any contact details; I still don't have any e-mail addresses for them, despite asking for e-mails several times | 03:13 |
| daniels | i guess naming a release 'what could possibly go wrong?' was just asking for trouble | 03:13 |
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| kiko | Kamion, let me sort that out. | 03:16 |
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| pitti | Kamion: a while ago we talked about dropping all packages from the seeds that are depended on by language-support-* | 03:18 |
| pitti | Kamion: shall I do that now? IMHO it's a good time | 03:19 |
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| Kamion | pitti: um, is that actually a good thing? I don't think so | 03:20 |
| Kamion | pitti: I'd like to know exactly what would be removed rather than just saying "OK, let's nuke the lot" | 03:21 |
| pitti | Kamion: essentially it's the whole "= Localisation =" paragraph | 03:21 |
| pitti | (minus *-locales) | 03:22 |
| Kamion | of which seed? | 03:22 |
| pitti | breezy/supported | 03:22 |
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| Kamion | pitti: OK, although I think we should keep gettext-el there too | 03:22 |
| pitti | Kamion: well, I don't _need_ to do that, we just discussed about this a while ago, and ISTR that you wanted to do that | 03:22 |
| Kamion | I did? hmm, memory like a what's-its-name | 03:23 |
| pitti | well, if you are unsure, we can leave it for now | 03:23 |
| pitti | I would go through the whole list and drop everything that has a reverse dep to lang-supp-* | 03:23 |
| pitti | so we would see which packages are not yet covered by langpacks | 03:24 |
| pitti | ... but that is a good idea even if I don't commit the change | 03:24 |
| Kamion | I'd be a little more cautious than that personally; there are things we explicitly want to have even though they happen to be currently depended upon by other things | 03:24 |
| Kamion | the seeds are not meant to be leaf packages only | 03:24 |
| Kamion | they're meant to be "stuff we want" | 03:24 |
| pitti | right, the l-support pacakges are sort of a second kind of seed | 03:25 |
| pitti | Kamion: so should we do it the other way round then? add everything to the seeds that is currently a dep of a langpack, but not yet seeded? | 03:26 |
| Kamion | you're being too black-and-white | 03:26 |
| Kamion | all I'm saying is that "already depended-upon by something else" is not sufficient reason to remove something from a seed | 03:26 |
| pitti | yes, agreed | 03:26 |
| Kamion | reason to remove something from a seed would be "we *only* need this because something else depends on it" | 03:26 |
| Kamion | as in, if the other thing went away, we wouldn't need it any more | 03:27 |
| pitti | well, the idea was to have the langpacks be the l10n seeds | 03:27 |
| pitti | to avoid redundancy | 03:27 |
| Kamion | I don't mind you removing the stuff you mentioned explicitly above, under Localisation | 03:27 |
| pitti | this might be discussed on the ML or TB... | 03:28 |
| Kamion | it just worries me when you say you're going to go through and REMOVE EVERYTHING :-) | 03:28 |
| pitti | ugh, no | 03:28 |
| pitti | basically the ooo-{help,l10n,...}-<lang> and similar packages | 03:28 |
| Kamion | those should be fine, yes | 03:28 |
| Kamion | I'm not sure I'm convinced yet by language packs as secondary seeds ... | 03:29 |
| pitti | ok, then let's defer that until we discussed it at the ML? | 03:29 |
| Kamion | how are the lists stored from which the langpacks are autogenerated? | 03:29 |
| Kamion | sure | 03:29 |
| Kamion | just trying to think of considerations for derivatives, etc. | 03:30 |
| pitti | right now there is a langpack-o-matic subdirectory "support-depends" which has one file for each language | 03:30 |
| Kamion | which essentially behave like seeds? so support-depends ~= seeds and language-pack-* ~= ubuntu-meta? | 03:31 |
| pitti | yes | 03:31 |
| pitti | I change support-depends/<Language> and call "./update-support" | 03:31 |
| pitti | this | 03:31 |
| pitti | builds new l-support-<lang> packages | 03:32 |
| seb128 | pitti: well done for cups/poppler :) | 03:32 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks :-) | 03:32 |
| pitti | seb128: I wasn't aware of poppler, nice hint | 03:33 |
| seb128 | :) | 03:33 |
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| Kamion | fabbione: do you have that debootstrap/breezy.buildd diff handy? | 03:56 |
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| pitti | hey Mr. do"rebuild the world"ko :-) | 04:29 |
| Treenaks | pitti: emerge world | 04:29 |
| ogra | hehe | 04:30 |
| pitti | I need some fresh air, see you later | 04:30 |
| ogra | today he learns spelling ;) | 04:30 |
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| lamont | right. honey-do's. back in a while | 04:46 |
| lamont | well, back in about 20 minutes for a couple minutes, then gone for 2-4 hours | 04:46 |
| fabbione | Kamion: sorry, i was away.. i will need to retest it with the overall new crack, so just upload and i will do it with more quiteness. | 04:48 |
| fabbione | Kamion: also.. can we start pre-seeding 2.6.12 into main? | 04:49 |
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| \sh | maswan: ping | 04:50 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: ping 2 ;) | 04:51 |
| Kamion | fabbione: I wouldn't bother with pre-seeding | 04:51 |
| fabbione | Kamion: re-checking the diff now | 04:51 |
| Kamion | just upload and shift to main when it's ready | 04:51 |
| fabbione | Kamion: well we can shift to main anytime.. the kernel is there :) | 04:52 |
| Kamion | I'm just about to upload debootstrap - it'll probably be broken on sparc because the required vs. base will be wrong, but that'll get sorted as soon as your builds come up to date | 04:52 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i am testing the diff right now... | 04:52 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: yes? | 04:52 |
| fabbione | if you want to wait a couple of minutes.. | 04:52 |
| fabbione | otherwise go ahead and don't worry :) | 04:52 |
| Kamion | fabbione: ok, I'll wait | 04:52 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: see query :) | 04:53 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: see query yourself. :P | 04:53 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: hehe :) u need a build-dep bot ;) | 04:53 |
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| maswan | elmo: kread(3, " / 01 ", 4) Err#78 ETIMEDOUT | 04:55 |
| === Treenaks hugs seb128 for Subject: Accepted nautilus-open-terminal 0.2-1ubuntu1 (source) | ||
| elmo | nobody 7497 0.0 0.6 16352 14376 ? SNs 14:36 0:02 \_ rsync --daemon | 04:58 |
| elmo | nobody 7708 0.8 0.7 16628 14624 ? SNs 15:54 0:01 \_ rsync --daemon | 04:58 |
| elmo | those are both you .. | 04:58 |
| elmo | and the first one is just waiting on my side | 04:58 |
| fabbione | Kamion: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/buildd.diff | 05:00 |
| fabbione | Kamion: it works fine on both i386 and sparc | 05:00 |
| fabbione | we get rid of some gcc-3.3 stuff | 05:01 |
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| ubuntu | hi | 05:01 |
| ubuntu | someone using ubuntu in ppc? | 05:01 |
| ubuntu | root@ubuntu:/# ybin | 05:01 |
| ubuntu | Failed to initialize HFS working directories: No such file or directory | 05:01 |
| ubuntu | ybin: /dev/hda5 appears to have never had a bootstrap installed, please run mkofboot | 05:01 |
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| ubuntu | I have this error when I try to install yaboot | 05:02 |
| thom | ubuntu: users questions in #ubuntu please | 05:02 |
| ubuntu | is not a questions | 05:02 |
| ubuntu | is a bug | 05:03 |
| ubuntu | xD | 05:03 |
| thom | no, it's not | 05:03 |
| fabbione | ubuntu: this channel is "There is a bug and this is the fix" | 05:03 |
| ubuntu | ok | 05:03 |
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| ogra | run lamont, run (nad have fun) | 05:12 |
| ogra | and even | 05:12 |
| lamont | heh | 05:13 |
| lamont | later all | 05:13 |
| toresbe | http://homepage.eircom.net/~wastedyouth/gnu.jpg :D | 05:14 |
| ogra | WOW | 05:14 |
| ogra | ogra@honk:~ $ sudo cfdisk | 05:14 |
| ogra | Segmentation fault | 05:14 |
| Treenaks | nice | 05:15 |
| dilinger | is that sudo or cfdisk that's segfaulting? | 05:15 |
| ogra | cfdisk... sudo works with other apps | 05:15 |
| mvo | is muine broken in breezy right now? | 05:15 |
| ogra | mvo, might be... tseng is holding back some stuff... | 05:16 |
| elmo | heh, a broken sudo would have interesting consequences | 05:16 |
| fabbione | ogra, amu: ping? | 05:16 |
| fabbione | it's cfdisk | 05:17 |
| ogra | fabbione, can we start testing finally.,... | 05:17 |
| ghpolo | im too scared to do this last dist-upgrade ;o | 05:17 |
| fabbione | ogra: i added a test case for OCFS2 in ClusterFileSystem | 05:17 |
| fabbione | ogra: the kernel is in the buildd now. | 05:17 |
| ogra | oki | 05:17 |
| fabbione | the tools are in universe | 05:17 |
| ogra | oki | 05:18 |
| fabbione | well the kernel is too :) | 05:18 |
| fabbione | and i am off for a while.. i might pass by later | 05:19 |
| ogra | no problem, i already run the last version... | 05:19 |
| fabbione | ogra: no no.. you need the one that is building now | 05:19 |
| ogra | fabbione, i know... | 05:19 |
| fabbione | because in the previous version there is no OCFS2 | 05:19 |
| fabbione | ok | 05:19 |
| fabbione | 2.6.11.92-1.3/ to be exact | 05:19 |
| Kamion | fabbione: all uploaded | 05:19 |
| fabbione | Kamion: thanks a lot :) | 05:20 |
| fabbione | the new buildd chroots will show how is still abusing gcc-3.3 without declaring a direct b-d | 05:21 |
| fabbione | unfortunatly dpkg still needs libstdc5 | 05:21 |
| fabbione | otherwise we could have killed gcc-3.3-base too | 05:21 |
| fabbione | well.. at the next round :) | 05:21 |
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| Kamion | haven't you rebuilt dpkg yet? | 05:25 |
| Kamion | new dpkg shouldn't ... | 05:26 |
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| Burgundavia | seb128, can you take a look at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11126 ? | 05:40 |
| Burgundavia | I suspect user error | 05:40 |
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| elmo | Kamion: do you know why /etc/network/interfaces no longer auto eth0's ? | 05:58 |
| elmo | in hoary installs | 05:58 |
| opi | elmo: hotplug is rising it? | 05:59 |
| elmo | opi: yeah, not so much on a non-modular kernel | 05:59 |
| opi | elmo: I was wondering that myself :-) | 05:59 |
| eruin | where would I file a bug agains this? after installing and selecting norwegian bokmaal all the way, this is my language var: LANGUAGE=nb_NO:nb:no_NO:no:nn_NO:nn:da:sv:en_GB:en - I just don't get why danish and swedish is added in that mix - makes no sense at all | 05:59 |
| opi | elmo: like mine :-> | 05:59 |
| Kamion | elmo: netcfg only sets that up if the installer detected eth0 | 06:00 |
| Kamion | er ... and if it's not hotpluggable, apparently | 06:00 |
| Kamion | if (!iface_is_hotpluggable(iface) && !find_in_stab(iface)) | 06:00 |
| Kamion | fprintf(fp, "auto %s\n", iface); | 06:00 |
| elmo | Kamion: right, but warty put the auto eth0 unconditionally | 06:01 |
| opi | at installation process? | 06:01 |
| elmo | which is kind of nice, given that if you switch to a non-modular kernel, you end up without a network interface | 06:01 |
| opi | what if I put a card that will not be modprobed by hotplug? | 06:01 |
| elmo | opi: that would be !iface_is_hotpluggable | 06:01 |
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| opi | elmo: that's why I've been asking it this code snip is a procedure from installation or every boot proecss | 06:02 |
| Kamion | * Per Olofsson | 06:02 |
| Kamion | - Check for hotpluggable (PCMCIA) network interfaces in | 06:02 |
| Kamion | /etc/network/devhotplug and don't generate auto entries for them. | 06:02 |
| Kamion | Also put them in a "mapping hotplug" stanza. Closes: #239284. | 06:02 |
| Kamion | -- Joshua Kwan <joshk@triplehelix.org> Sun, 11 Apr 2004 22:55:40 -0700 | 06:02 |
| Kamion | opi: installer | 06:02 |
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| Kamion | elmo: that change was considerably before warty - only thing I can think of is that the installer has suddenly worked out your interface is hotpluggable | 06:03 |
| elmo | cock | 06:03 |
| pitti | hehe | 06:03 |
| pitti | http://www.nsa.gov/notices/notic00003.cfm?Address=%22%3E%3Cscript%3Ealert(%22We%20love%20our%20XSS%22)%3C/script%3E | 06:03 |
| pitti | so far with "security" | 06:03 |
| pitti | ;-) | 06:03 |
| Kamion | but sounds like it's some evil PCMCIA thing, which I try not to touch | 06:03 |
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| Kamion | why does breezy's bash spin on waitpid() whenever a process exits? | 06:07 |
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| Kamion | 11411 exit_group(0) = ? | 06:10 |
| Kamion | 11408 <... waitpid resumed> 0x7ffff188, WUNTRACED|0x8) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argu | 06:10 |
| Kamion | ment) | 06:10 |
| Kamion | ... and then it just spins ... | 06:10 |
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| mdz | morning | 06:21 |
| mdz | kiko-fud: what time is the call? | 06:21 |
| fabbione | morning mdz | 06:22 |
| mvo | good morning mdz | 06:22 |
| pitti | Hi mdz | 06:23 |
| seb128 | hi mdz | 06:23 |
| zul | hey mdz | 06:23 |
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| ogra | mdz, we said 13:00 utc in #ubuntu-meeting last time we met .... | 06:33 |
| mdz | ogra: who said 13:00 utc in #ubuntu-meeting for what meeting? | 06:33 |
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| Kamion | uh, we did? | 06:35 |
| Kamion | oh, damn, we did | 06:35 |
| ogra | mdz, when kiko, Kaimon, me and the brazilians had the last UbuntuExpress meeting | 06:36 |
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| ogra | Kamion, did we say a conference call ? i noted #ubuntu-meeting | 06:36 |
| mdz | ogra: I see | 06:36 |
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| Kamion | 14:22 < kiko> Kamion: I would suggest setting up a weekly phone call with surak to checkpoint on how it's going | 06:37 |
| ogra | Kamion, ah... | 06:38 |
| ogra | ok, i missed that then... | 06:38 |
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| Kamion | sorry, I suck at this management lark | 06:39 |
| ogra | heh... but at least you remembered the phone call... i only relied on evolutions calendar :) | 06:40 |
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| ogra | heh, did you learn it the second time ? | 06:43 |
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| Keybuk | I think so :) | 06:44 |
| fabbione | ogra: ppc and i386 kernel have been built finally | 06:44 |
| ogra | yay... | 06:44 |
| fabbione | i guess they will hit the archive at the next daily | 06:44 |
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| jdub | gotta watch out for those barzilians | 06:44 |
| fabbione | ogra: "next daily" is in 20 minutes ~ | 06:44 |
| rburton | so, hoary claims to support the dlink dwl-g650+ card but mine is clearly Not Working. | 06:44 |
| ogra | fabbione, yep | 06:44 |
| Kamion | fabbione: so should I switch d-i over? | 06:45 |
| fabbione | Kamion: not yet. from the next upload. | 06:45 |
| Kamion | i.e. are you going to have this moved to main? | 06:45 |
| fabbione | Kamion: yes i would like to have it moved to main from now | 06:45 |
| ogra | jdub, *g* | 06:45 |
| fabbione | Kamion: 1.4 will get d-i love and then we can switch | 06:45 |
| fabbione | but notice that there will be no restricted modules until 2.6.12 is final from upstream | 06:46 |
| fabbione | and that we are not respecting abi changes yet | 06:46 |
| fabbione | otherwise we will land with 12 final -3874.1 | 06:46 |
| Kamion | in that case I'll wait for final for d-i | 06:46 |
| fabbione | works for me | 06:46 |
| fabbione | it shouldn't be too far eithery | 06:47 |
| fabbione | s/y$// | 06:47 |
| fabbione | anyway.. dinner time | 06:47 |
| fabbione | Kamion: do we still need to seed the kernel to get it in main? or is it enough to ask elmo now? | 06:47 |
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| Kamion | fabbione: seed | 06:49 |
| fabbione | ok | 06:50 |
| Kamion | fabbione: until such time as linux-meta starts depending on it | 06:50 |
| Kamion | ... stick it in supported | 06:50 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ok thanks | 06:50 |
| fabbione | Kamion: the seed archive is still on chinstrap? | 06:51 |
| fabbione | never mind.. it's only slow to death :) | 06:52 |
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| kiko-fud | mdz, I can't really recall. let me get hold of surak | 07:01 |
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| seb128 | Burgundavia: you should ask how he installed the distro | 07:08 |
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| Burgundavia | seb128, that was my next guess | 07:15 |
| seb128 | maybe he upgraded from Debian or used the custom install | 07:16 |
| seb128 | which could give that, a root account and his user not configured correctly | 07:17 |
| Kamion | custom/server install doesn't do that, although there are other methods that could | 07:18 |
| seb128 | which ones? | 07:19 |
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| Kamion | seb128: expert mode | 07:26 |
| seb128 | oh, I thought server was an alias to this one | 07:26 |
| seb128 | k, maybe the guy used that | 07:27 |
| kiko-fud | Kamion, surak called and said their network is down but he will email you guys with phone numbers and email addresses | 07:28 |
| Kamion | kiko-fud: thanks | 07:29 |
| Burgundavia | Kamion, so the installer has 3 modes? normal, server and expert? | 07:33 |
| Nafallo | Burgundavia: four. server-expert also :-) | 07:33 |
| Burgundavia | ick | 07:34 |
| Burgundavia | people seem to like choosing expert for some reason | 07:34 |
| Burgundavia | validates them | 07:34 |
| === Nafallo chooses expert quite alot ;-) | ||
| Nafallo | s/alot/often/ | 07:36 |
| === Burgundavia trusts that Nafallo knows what he is doing | ||
| Nafallo | hehe, just when I got doubtful about that ;-) | 07:37 |
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| Kamion | expert's for use when an installer developer tells you to use it. :-) | 07:44 |
| Nafallo | Kamion: ... or for us controlfreaks that love servers? ;-) | 07:45 |
| Kamion | you don't need to use expert mode to install a server | 07:46 |
| jdub | expert mode is pants | 07:46 |
| Kamion | you need to use expert mode when the installer's going insane and you have a developer with you to hold your hand | 07:46 |
| jdub | all the cool kids *aren't* doing it ;-) | 07:46 |
| Nafallo | I don't need to do it; but I'm still a controlfreak. and expert gives you lot more control :-). | 07:47 |
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| ogra | the cool kids use a magnetic pen to transfer the installation to disk ;) | 07:48 |
| Kamion | and expert has a lot of bugs that I pay no attention to because they don't matter enough | 07:48 |
| Kamion | generally duplicate questions and such | 07:48 |
| Kamion | but it's possible that there's actually different default behaviour (not *too* likely because of how debconf works, but possible) | 07:49 |
| Nafallo | Kamion: hmm, I haven't had any errors yet :-). | 07:49 |
| Nafallo | hmm, time to try xorg=6.8.2-20 ;-) | 07:50 |
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| cartman | latest X.org (-20) works for anyone? | 07:55 |
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| tseng|work | support in #ubuntu | 07:59 |
| tseng|work | and yes, Xorg breaks in major transitions | 07:59 |
| cartman | uhn ok majorly borked | 08:01 |
| ogra | yeah, isnt it great.... you actually *feel* the development going on :) | 08:02 |
| jdub | ogra: have you read any of the ipodlinux stuff? | 08:02 |
| jdub | ogra: they have some very interesting data transfer methods :) | 08:02 |
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| ogra | jdub, in -users ? | 08:03 |
| jdub | ogra: no, the project porting linux to the ipod | 08:03 |
| ogra | or is there a distro i'm not yet aware of ? | 08:03 |
| ogra | wow, nope, not yet | 08:03 |
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| \sh | ipod linux? | 08:04 |
| ogra | jdub, GO to BED ! dont make pia unhappy.... | 08:04 |
| trukulo | jdub, good night man | 08:04 |
| tseng|work | bye jdub | 08:04 |
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| shaya | is X safe again? :) | 08:14 |
| \sh | i think daniels uploaded -18 and went to bed ;) | 08:15 |
| Kamion | I'm off out for a bit; should be back before tonight's round of meetings start, though. | 08:15 |
| Burgundavia | -20 is the latest | 08:15 |
| shaya | I see -20 | 08:15 |
| Kamion | (failing that I have my mobile phone with me) | 08:15 |
| \sh | oh i was asleep as well | 08:15 |
| Burgundavia | -20 doesn't fix the fonts issue yet | 08:15 |
| shaya | hmm | 08:16 |
| Burgundavia | but it or an eariler release fixes the binary symlink issue | 08:16 |
| \sh | is lubglu1-xorg and libglu-dev-xorg fixed? | 08:16 |
| \sh | the deps? | 08:16 |
| doko | \sh, yes gl is fixed | 08:17 |
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| shaya | already downgraded to hoary X once | 08:18 |
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| dholbach | hellas! | 08:18 |
| pitti | Hey dholbach | 08:18 |
| dholbach | hey pitti :-) | 08:19 |
| \sh | doko: wonderfull..so I can work on arkrpg | 08:19 |
| thom | doko: mozilla on ia64 seems to build ok with gcc-3.4; take it reverting to that isn't an issue? | 08:19 |
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| Treenaks | pitti: ping? | 08:20 |
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| doko | thom: no, I don't think so. but we should revert for ia64 only | 08:20 |
| Treenaks | pitti: should serial devices show up in the HAL device tree? | 08:20 |
| Treenaks | pitti: because they aren't | 08:20 |
| Treenaks | pitti: (/dev/ttySxx) | 08:21 |
| pitti | Treenaks: no idea, I don't have some | 08:21 |
| Treenaks | pitti: not even empty ports? | 08:21 |
| pitti | I guess hal works for you now? | 08:21 |
| Treenaks | pitti: yes, it stopped crashing | 08:21 |
| pitti | Treenaks: well, I have two serial ports in hal | 08:21 |
| Treenaks | hm wait.. | 08:22 |
| pitti | Treenaks: I have a "16550A compatible COM port" with info.category == serial+ | 08:22 |
| Treenaks | *headdesk* | 08:22 |
| pitti | and linux.device_file == /dev/ttyS1 | 08:22 |
| Treenaks | sorry.. I just upgraded.. new kernel.. need to reboot first | 08:22 |
| pitti | hehe | 08:22 |
| Treenaks | 2.6.12.. unstable abi.. *grr* :) | 08:23 |
| Treenaks | brb | 08:23 |
| mdz | mjg59: ping? | 08:23 |
| mdz | (re: merging the hp stuff) | 08:23 |
| thom | doko: indeed | 08:23 |
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| Treenaks | pitti: it works.. | 08:26 |
| Treenaks | pitti: it looks ugly, but it works :) | 08:26 |
| pitti | Treenaks: define ugly? | 08:27 |
| Treenaks | pitti: screenshot coming up | 08:27 |
| Treenaks | pitti: http://foodfight.org/zut/Screenshot.png | 08:30 |
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| Nafallo | newest Xorg didn't like me :-P | 08:31 |
| pitti | Treenaks: erm, what's wrong with this pic? I thought you would send me a hal-device-manager shot.. :-) | 08:31 |
| Treenaks | pitti: hey! | 08:32 |
| Treenaks | pitti: uh | 08:32 |
| Treenaks | wait.... | 08:32 |
| cartman | Nafallo: it doesn't love anyone but daniels | 08:33 |
| Nafallo | cartman: hehe, true true ;-) | 08:33 |
| Treenaks | pitti: reload | 08:33 |
| cartman | Nafallo: were you able to start it at least? :) | 08:34 |
| cartman | Nafallo: xinit was sitting here | 08:34 |
| Nafallo | cartman: downgraded to hoary's xorg ;-) | 08:34 |
| cartman | ah -16 worked for me :-) | 08:34 |
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| Nafallo | cartman: the damn thing had forgot my xorg.conf so I had to regenerate it. | 08:35 |
| cartman | Nafallo: ugh :/ | 08:35 |
| pitti | Treenaks: uh, so that's where the empty string was... | 08:35 |
| cartman | as bad as me installing nvidia drivers everytime Xorg updates :) | 08:35 |
| cartman | to fix GL libs | 08:35 |
| Treenaks | pitti: yes | 08:35 |
| Treenaks | pitti: product info contains "CF CARD" "GENERIC", and 2 empty strings (it's a CF GPS in a CF-to-PCMCIA convertor) | 08:36 |
| Treenaks | and it has 2 serial port.. one which uses \r\n, the other only \n ... for THE SAME DATA | 08:37 |
| Treenaks | *headdesk* | 08:37 |
| Nafallo | cartman: well, when we have -21 I probably upgrade again ;-) | 08:38 |
| cartman | Nafallo: ah no way | 08:39 |
| cartman | I won't be fooled this time :) | 08:39 |
| cartman | xkb still borked already :/ | 08:39 |
| Nafallo | something does _not_ look as it should. | 08:39 |
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| doko | Kamion, lamont: in debootstrap, libgcc2 should be added for hppa | 08:45 |
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| lamont | :-) | 08:47 |
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| lamont | mdz/Kamion/whoever: next time someone uploads ubuntu-meta, please add hppa to the list of architectures from ports.ubuntu.com. kthxbye | 09:12 |
| lamont | (eventually, it'll be far enough along with ubuntu-desktop to make it worth actually adding on its own, but would be nice to get it automated early | 09:12 |
| thom | lamont: does firefox install now on hppa? | 09:16 |
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| mdz | jdub: have you worked out the schedule for gnome 2.12 yet? | 09:23 |
| Riddell | wouldn't it just be a copy the 2.8 schedule with the year bumped? | 09:30 |
| ogra | Riddell, thats not KDE ;) | 09:30 |
| Riddell | ogra: KDE doesn't have schedules, it's just released when we get good vibes | 09:31 |
| ogra | hmm, not very reliable.... | 09:32 |
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| Burgundavia | as a second to the time based one, I like inkscapes feature based one | 09:32 |
| AFK-Wolf | Guys, I just cleanly closed down ubuntu hoary, rebooted, and now I can't mount my / partition, grub error 17 | 09:33 |
| HiddenWolf | can anyone give me any pionters on what the F is going on? | 09:35 |
| Burgundavia | HiddenWolf, this channel is for when you find a fix for it, #ubuntu is for finding that fix | 09:36 |
| HiddenWolf | Burgundavia, Give me any clue on what the F could have gone wrong, and I'll happily file the bug | 09:37 |
| opi | test installation of breezy in VMWare hurst :( | 09:38 |
| lamont | thom: dunno yet | 09:40 |
| lamont | it built | 09:41 |
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| lamont | Setting up firefox (1.0.4-1ubuntu2) ... | 09:41 |
| lamont | Updating mozilla-firefox chrome registry...E: Registration process existed with status: 1 | 09:41 |
| lamont | E: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions/installed-extensions.txt still present. Registration might | 09:41 |
| lamont | +have gone wrong. | 09:41 |
| lamont | mv: cannot stat `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults.ini': No such file or directory | 09:41 |
| lamont | dpkg: error processing firefox (--configure): | 09:41 |
| lamont | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 | 09:41 |
| lamont | uh, no. | 09:41 |
| shaya | anyone running 2.6.10-5-686 here? | 09:41 |
| lamont | or could a corrupt chroot cause that? that is, do I need to start with something pristene | 09:42 |
| lamont | ? | 09:42 |
| shaya | I think the kernel headers are broken | 09:42 |
| shaya | include/linux/version.h has #define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.10" | 09:42 |
| shaya | which is wrong | 09:42 |
| shaya | should be #define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.10-5-686" | 09:42 |
| lamont | really? | 09:42 |
| shaya | vmware refuses to compile b/c of that | 09:42 |
| fabbione | shaya: holdon | 09:42 |
| lamont | vmware built for me just fine | 09:43 |
| lamont | do you have linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686 installed/ | 09:43 |
| fabbione | #define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.10-5-686" | 09:43 |
| \sh | Riddell: are u having sometimes hickups with amarok? | 09:43 |
| fabbione | no the headers are fine | 09:43 |
| fabbione | you are pointing to the wrong header directory | 09:43 |
| shaya | root@dent:/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/build/include/linux # dpkg --status linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686 |grep Installed | 09:43 |
| shaya | Installed-Size: 17604 | 09:43 |
| Riddell | \sh: not on hoary | 09:43 |
| Riddell | \sh: which engine? | 09:44 |
| shaya | Version: 2.6.10-34 | 09:44 |
| \sh | Riddell: some mp3s are bugging amarok...it stops responding..but no crash | 09:44 |
| shaya | fabbione: eh? | 09:44 |
| fabbione | shaya: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686/include/linux/version.h says otherwise | 09:44 |
| thom | lamont: no, unlikely to be a corrupt chroot, sadly | 09:44 |
| \sh | Riddell: arts | 09:44 |
| lamont | thom: bummer. | 09:44 |
| thom | lamont: oh well | 09:44 |
| \sh | Riddell: but xmms is running fine | 09:44 |
| lamont | fix that? kthxbye. | 09:44 |
| fabbione | shaya: #define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.10-5-686" | 09:44 |
| Riddell | \sh: try installing akode-mpeg from universe or use the amarok-xine engine | 09:44 |
| shaya | fabbione: I edited it to that | 09:45 |
| shaya | and it works | 09:45 |
| shaya | got vmware built | 09:45 |
| fabbione | shaya: that is out of a default install | 09:45 |
| \sh | riddell: i will try... | 09:45 |
| shaya | ? | 09:45 |
| shaya | should UTS_RELEASE and uname -r be the same thing? | 09:46 |
| fabbione | shaya: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-1-686 | 09:46 |
| lamont | more /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/build/include/linux/version.h | 09:46 |
| lamont | #define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.10-5-686" | 09:46 |
| lamont | and are | 09:46 |
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| lamont | shaya: of course, this is really a #ubuntu question.... | 09:46 |
| shaya | shrug, dont know why mine is screwed up | 09:46 |
| shaya | broken header package is #ubuntu? | 09:46 |
| lamont | shaya: did you pull headers from /usr/src. or from /lib/modules? | 09:47 |
| shaya | I already built vmware | 09:47 |
| shaya | /lib/modules | 09:47 |
| fabbione | lamont: the one from /lib/modules are a symlink to /usr/src | 09:47 |
| lamont | (this would be the channel to discuss your patch to fix the bug...) | 09:47 |
| shaya | reinstalling | 09:47 |
| shaya | I said how I fixed it | 09:47 |
| shaya | <shaya> should be #define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.10-5-686" | 09:48 |
| lamont | fabbione: why so it is... | 09:48 |
| lamont | shaya: and it is that in the package\ | 09:48 |
| lamont | that is, there's no bug' | 09:48 |
| shaya | not in what I had installed | 09:48 |
| shaya | reinstalling and seeing what happened | 09:48 |
| shaya | hmm | 09:48 |
| shaya | reinstalled version is correct | 09:48 |
| fabbione | lamont: UTS "2.6.10" doesn't appeare anywhere | 09:48 |
| shaya | very very weird | 09:48 |
| fabbione | the minitmum is 2.6.10-5 | 09:48 |
| shaya | sorry | 09:49 |
| fabbione | from generic headers | 09:49 |
| shaya | very very weird | 09:49 |
| lamont | shaya: np | 09:49 |
| fabbione | down to 2.6.10-5-$flavour | 09:49 |
| shaya | Q | 09:49 |
| shaya | why is EXTRAVERSION in the Makefile not set? | 09:49 |
| lamont | shaya: because that's done in the build rules | 09:49 |
| JaneW | REMINDER: there's a spec tech board meeting starting on the hour - 20:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting | 09:50 |
| JaneW | s/spec/special | 09:50 |
| shaya | I guess modules are still installed in correct place, so not a big deal | 09:50 |
| mdz | tech board meeting on #ubuntu-meeting in ~10m | 09:52 |
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| camilotelles | /join #ubuntu-meeting | 09:56 |
| zul | uh not exactly | 09:56 |
| lamont | Kamion: I think palo will need partman-palo added to the installer seed as well.... thoughts? | 09:57 |
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| Kamion | lamont: quite right, done | 10:23 |
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| lamont | daniels: xscreensaver looks to be a dpkg-victim, maybe. | 10:32 |
| lamont | checking for X11/extensions/XScreenSaver.h... no | 10:33 |
| lamont | maybe not. | 10:33 |
| fabbione | lamont: wrong build-deps mostlikely | 10:33 |
| Kamion | libxss-dev | 10:35 |
| Kamion | or perhaps include path | 10:35 |
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| Kamion | doesn't build-dep on libxss-dev; I'm surprised that wasn't caught in hoary | 10:36 |
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| kiko | surak! | 10:45 |
| surak | kiko! | 10:47 |
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| surak | watching what's going on at #ubuntu-meeting | 10:47 |
| Nafallo | surak: TB :-) | 10:48 |
| surak | yup :-) | 10:48 |
| kiko | how's it going up north, surak? | 10:48 |
| surak | much better today! I'm just testing it to not be embarrassed in front of all because something I forgot :-D | 10:49 |
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| surak | kiko: do you have a spare machine to try the installer? one which the hard drive contents are not important? | 10:54 |
| kiko | surak, hummm. hmmmmm. | 10:54 |
| surak | something to screw on? :-) | 10:54 |
| kiko | surak, I could set one up, but that's a bit of extra work for me -- you guys don't have test boxes there? | 10:55 |
| surak | I suppose it can work in a virtual machine, as long as the virtual machine hard drive can be 'safely' destroyed | 10:55 |
| kiko | it can always be safely destroyed. | 10:55 |
| surak | we do | 10:55 |
| kiko | I have a P233 we could test on, problem is finding an intern willing to do it :) | 10:55 |
| surak | I'm already testing it on two of them | 10:56 |
| kiko | how's it looking? | 10:57 |
| surak | Currently it just screws the partition, unless they are windows (then I resize them) | 10:57 |
| Kamion | I just committed auto-resize code to partman-auto today | 10:57 |
| Kamion | ideally you guys would be using that | 10:57 |
| surak | hum | 10:58 |
| surak | Ill change it then | 10:58 |
| Kamion | figuring out how to use partman(-auto) code will be a reasonably-sized chunk of work though | 10:59 |
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| siretart | Keybuk: I read that you are the guy who wrote MoM (merge o matic). It rocks. I wanted to have a closer look for a few local packages in a custom installation. Is the source for it available somewhere? | 11:12 |
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| Keybuk | no, it uses a lot of code that we're planning to open source as part of the HCT project | 11:13 |
| Keybuk | so today it isn't available, but it will be eventually | 11:13 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: speaking about HCT ... gdm? | 11:14 |
| siretart | ah. ok. but, whats HCT? | 11:14 |
| Keybuk | seb128: am preparing a release today/tomorrow :) | 11:14 |
| seb128 | cool | 11:14 |
| Keybuk | siretart: a tool to manage source packages in revision control | 11:14 |
| seb128 | I'm waiting on it to work on gdm ... :) | 11:14 |
| siretart | Keybuk: woah. sounds great! | 11:15 |
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| surak | last testing, so I can show the script. | 11:17 |
| srbaker | how do i ask dpkg what package owns /usr/lib/libGL.so ? | 11:17 |
| srbaker | i forget | 11:17 |
| Keybuk | srbaker: dpkg -S | 11:17 |
| srbaker | that,s i kept trying dpkg -L | 11:18 |
| Keybuk | siretart: and, to be honest, is isn't that hi-tech; it basically downloads three packages and does some diff/patch to make a fourth | 11:18 |
| siretart | Keybuk: jupp. but the output is nice, and I don't want to reinvent the wheel ;) | 11:19 |
| kiko | surak, woo woo | 11:23 |
| surak | kiko: Let me finish the grub process and I'll paste the partition destructor over here :-) | 11:24 |
| surak | hum... I wrote something in portuguese. bad bad bad. | 11:25 |
| === ogra hopes surak thinks about renaming that part | ||
| ogra | :) | 11:25 |
| ogra | but at least some cool icons come to my mind for that name :) | 11:26 |
| surak | /s/destructor/ubuntu-express-installer :-) | 11:26 |
| ogra | hehe | 11:26 |
| kiko | partition destroyer, hmm, has an interesting ring | 11:27 |
| mdz | mvo: ping? | 11:27 |
| mvo | mdz: pong | 11:27 |
| kiko | mdz! | 11:27 |
| mdz | mvo: what patchlevel should I merge to get the current apt in breezy? | 11:27 |
| mvo | mdz: just get all of apt--fixes--0 | 11:27 |
| kiko | mvo, did you reach closure on the directory output crud? | 11:27 |
| mvo | kiko: mdz is the last authority here :) | 11:28 |
| srbaker | ubuntu-express-installer? what's that/ | 11:28 |
| dholbach | http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress iirc :-) | 11:29 |
| surak | its your personal partition destructor :-D | 11:29 |
| srbaker | huh. | 11:29 |
| srbaker | *my* personal partition destructor comes in a twelve pack of bottles | 11:30 |
| surak | will, it's being my one for a week now.. | 11:30 |
| ogra | surak, i'll take over after you destroyed all your disks then ;) to make a nice ui | 11:31 |
| surak | the damage is much more recoverable whan a 12-pack :-) as least in my test machines | 11:31 |
| mdz | mvo: ok. also, will the apt transition be completed today? | 11:32 |
| mdz | kiko! | 11:32 |
| mdz | mvo: I can't seem to get all of apt/synaptic/aptitude/etc. upgraded together | 11:32 |
| mdz | aptitude still depends on libsigc++-1.2-5c102 | 11:32 |
| surak | /s/whan/than | 11:32 |
| mdz | mvo: that's otavio's apt--fixes, or yours? | 11:32 |
| ogra | Kamion, ping ? | 11:32 |
| mvo | mdz: my fixes branch | 11:32 |
| mvo | mdz: I carefully picked the good bits out of otavios branch, not all of it was ready | 11:33 |
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| mvo | mdz: aptitude upgrade seems to work for me, I get 0.2.15.9ubuntu4, what's your version? | 11:34 |
| surak | something I was to ask for days: should a user be created or the ubuntu one is fine? | 11:34 |
| Kamion | ogra: pong | 11:35 |
| Kamion | surak: ubuntu user should be removed and a new one created with proper name and password | 11:35 |
| ogra | Kamion, seed change for mono ? do we have to upload again for that ? | 11:35 |
| Kamion | the installer has code to do the latter | 11:35 |
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| Kamion | ogra: no, you don't need to upload | 11:35 |
| ogra | great | 11:35 |
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| Kamion | lamont: (xlibmesa-glu-* shows up in rene's partial NBS list) | 11:36 |
| Kamion | ogra: what packages need to be seeded into main? | 11:37 |
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| ogra | Kamion, we are still discussing the apps, but for now mono and gtk-sharp are a go.... | 11:37 |
| ogra | tseng, ping | 11:37 |
| tseng | ogra: pong. | 11:37 |
| tseng | + monodoc | 11:37 |
| ogra | ah, yes.... | 11:38 |
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| tseng | that will be pulled in as a gtk-sharp dep possibly | 11:38 |
| ogra | tseng, anything we additionally need for dbus ? | 11:38 |
| tseng | i havent really read up on the seeds | 11:38 |
| ogra | oh, gecko-sharp for aure | 11:38 |
| ogra | sure | 11:38 |
| tseng | ogra: no we need mono-in-main | 11:38 |
| tseng | yes | 11:38 |
| tseng | we can ignore gtksourceview-sharp1 i think | 11:38 |
| tseng | since no one is using it afaik | 11:38 |
| ogra | yep | 11:39 |
| Kamion | don't think about it too hard, just list the packages you want and don't worry about dependencies in general | 11:39 |
| Kamion | as in the top-level packages | 11:39 |
| ogra | Kamion, i'll mail you a list then | 11:39 |
| robertj | if mono geos in main, does beagle as well? | 11:39 |
| ogra | yep | 11:39 |
| tseng | robertj: we will see what 0.0.10 looks like | 11:39 |
| ogra | and probably some other mono apps | 11:39 |
| Kamion | robertj: not automatically, but it's a major part of the rationale for mono-in-main | 11:39 |
| tseng | i am confident it will be alot more sane | 11:39 |
| tseng | and I can propose for main at that time | 11:40 |
| tseng | im not comfortable with the dbus version as it stands | 11:40 |
| tseng | all indications are beagle will be much more stable soon. | 11:40 |
| robertj | why not stick in the dbus and then drop out in a month if things are looking bad? | 11:40 |
| robertj | err dbus version | 11:41 |
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| ogra | robertj, because half of our system depends on dbus | 11:41 |
| tseng | heh yes :) | 11:41 |
| ogra | at least on the desktop | 11:41 |
| robertj | ogra: but dbus doesn't die a horrible death if beagle misbehaves does it? | 11:42 |
| ogra | robertj, nope, but we cant just juggle with the versions here.... even with mono in main goes a bigger responsibility then in universe | 11:42 |
| tarvid | my 3c556b card throws vortex_probe1 fails. Returns -22. Any hope of debugging that? | 11:43 |
| ogra | since it has to be supportable for 18 months | 11:43 |
| surak | Kamion: I need now to worry with what happens after the machine boots - everything is borked. | 11:43 |
| robertj | ogra: yes, but what I'm saying is that if it goes in now, and we have to revert to fam in a month, that should still leave plenty of time for things to fall into place, no? | 11:43 |
| kiko | mdz, when will you have time to give me a ring? :) | 11:43 |
| ogra | robertj, fam ? | 11:44 |
| tseng | jdub: new gamin, dude. | 11:44 |
| ogra | robertj, fam is dead since hoary.... | 11:44 |
| Kamion | surak: need a bit more detail to help :-) | 11:44 |
| robertj | ogra: errr, fam++ | 11:44 |
| robertj | inotify | 11:44 |
| ogra | robertj, even inotify is fine.... | 11:44 |
| ogra | no need to worry about that.... | 11:45 |
| tseng | inotify is fine in breezy | 11:45 |
| ogra | kiko, you want to marry ? | 11:45 |
| robertj | and beagle does play nice with just inotify now? | 11:45 |
| ogra | yep | 11:45 |
| robertj | so why not have that as the fallback position, try for something a bit more aggresive, and bail out in a set timeframe if its a no-go | 11:46 |
| tseng | we need to update gamin first | 11:46 |
| tseng | before even talking about it. | 11:46 |
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| tseng | the gamin inotify backend in the current ubuntuized package is pretty suck | 11:46 |
| tseng | the new one is much improved | 11:46 |
| robertj | (speaking of suck...I got Tiger today and Spotlight is kinda sucky as well) | 11:47 |
| tseng | i would be comfortable proposing turning inotify back on for breezy once we get that in.. | 11:47 |
| tseng | really up to kernel team | 11:47 |
| robertj | Technically it's fine but it doesn't query any non-local backends for the address book and that sort of thing | 11:47 |
| Kamion | I thought inotify'd already been turned back on in the 2.6.12 kernel packages | 11:48 |
| Kamion | ? | 11:48 |
| ogra | yep it has | 11:48 |
| tseng | i didnt notice that in the changelogs, but its quite possible | 11:48 |
| zul | Kamion: it has | 11:48 |
| tseng | hm great. | 11:48 |
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| srbaker | whoa. joey's a little bitter today. | 11:52 |
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| JaneW | quick question and please don;t point me to #ubuntu but if I set my laptop to hibernate in ubuntu, when I restart must I use the normal boot up or recovery mode? | 11:56 |
| elmo | JaneW: #ubuntu | 11:56 |
| surak | :-) | 11:56 |
| tseng | elmo: cold. | 11:56 |
| Kamion | JaneW: normal | 11:56 |
| elmo | janew: [you realise I stopped reading after "don't point me to #ubuntu right? :-P] | 11:56 |
| Kamion | recovery mode basically just boots into single-user mode | 11:57 |
| JaneW | elmo: knew you would, it was decoy :P | 11:57 |
| JaneW | ok, think is I never get out of hibernate mode smoothly, and certainly not if I change networks in between... | 11:58 |
| JaneW | s/think/thing | 11:58 |
| mako | community council meeting in a few minutes in #ubuntu-meeting | 11:58 |
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