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| jsgotangco | hello | 03:57 |
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| Burgundavia | salut | 03:57 |
| jsgotangco | wow templates! | 03:59 |
| jsgotangco | (at last) | 03:59 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, do you know how to apply a diff patch? | 04:05 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, no idea | 04:08 |
| Burgundavia | someone else will pick it up | 04:08 |
| jsgotangco | well i want to pick it up | 04:09 |
| jsgotangco | (to learn) | 04:09 |
| Burgundavia | ask froud | 04:09 |
| Burgundavia | or jeffsch | 04:09 |
| Burgundavia | I have mostly been doing UI stuff recently | 04:09 |
| jsgotangco | ahh svn merge | 04:12 |
| _froud_ | jsgotangco: why do you send a diff, why not just do the commit yourself? | 07:42 |
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| jsgotangco | i did not send the diff | 07:42 |
| jsgotangco | :P | 07:42 |
| froud | ooops | 07:42 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse did | 07:42 |
| jsgotangco | i dont know how to patch | 07:42 |
| jsgotangco | thats why i havent committed it | 07:42 |
| froud | ok, you want to try it | 07:43 |
| jsgotangco | i do | 07:43 |
| jsgotangco | is that merge in esvn? | 07:43 |
| froud | no no | 07:43 |
| froud | lemme check the patch first gimme a sec | 07:43 |
| froud | ok save the diff file in to the kwick guide folder | 07:44 |
| jsgotangco | ok | 07:45 |
| froud | then do patch -p0 kquickguide.xml kquickguide.diff | 07:46 |
| jsgotangco | well ok thats only a patch command i was thinking esvn | 07:47 |
| froud | :-) esvn does not have atool for that | 07:47 |
| froud | it's good not that good | 07:48 |
| jsgotangco | ahh so patch is still just plain patch | 07:48 |
| froud | yeah | 07:48 |
| froud | I can speak to the devels at eSvn and ask them for a util to apply a patch | 07:48 |
| jsgotangco | how will you know if the patch is no good? | 07:48 |
| froud | you should check it | 07:48 |
| froud | then apply it | 07:49 |
| froud | if you are happy you just apply it. otherwise apply it and then fix | 07:49 |
| froud | remember you can always see the diff since you can do a quick diff | 07:49 |
| jsgotangco | o right | 07:50 |
| froud | most time I commit the patch so that it is recorded | 07:50 |
| froud | then I fix and submit another patch | 07:50 |
| froud | unless of course the patch has too many mistakes | 07:50 |
| jsgotangco | well the patch in this case is pretty trivial i dunno why he sent it hehe but then its a contribution | 07:51 |
| froud | but if they are small ones and the patch as a whole is good, then it does not hurt | 07:51 |
| froud | every patch is important | 07:51 |
| froud | no matter how small :-) | 07:51 |
| jsgotangco | ill take your word for it | 07:52 |
| froud | sure, as you say, "its a contribution" | 07:52 |
| froud | I like to call them gifts | 07:52 |
| froud | nice one | 07:56 |
| froud | now send a message to the list saying you have applied it, not everyone is on the commit list | 07:56 |
| jsgotangco | oh right | 07:56 |
| jsgotangco | thank you o mentor | 07:56 |
| froud | btw. kwickguide is looking good dude thanks for that | 07:57 |
| jsgotangco | oh i could have been done with it if not for this oracle project | 07:58 |
| froud | that's the way it goes. How's is the oracle ting doing | 07:58 |
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| jsgotangco | well im trying out a new methodology called Rapid Start for E-Business Suite | 08:00 |
| froud | on 10g | 08:00 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 08:00 |
| froud | wow' | 08:00 |
| froud | I saw guys form oracle install and fine tune 10g in 18 minutes | 08:00 |
| jsgotangco | but im thinking of convincing the developers to testing it in Ubuntu instead of forcing clients to use old Red Hat 9 | 08:00 |
| froud | can they install on a deb based system? | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | well i can do that as a project | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | (you never know) | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | but then | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | oracle's a big company | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | (but its a good opportunity perhaps) | 08:02 |
| froud | sure | 08:02 |
| froud | So now you need screencaptures for quickguide, right? | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | yeah ill cover it probably this weekend | 08:03 |
| froud | if you want help on it, send a message to the list | 08:03 |
| froud | do some adertising | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | what's incoming for? | 08:04 |
| froud | oh, that's for the stuff that will come from wiki into svn | 08:04 |
| froud | before we know where or what to do with it | 08:04 |
| froud | we will put it there | 08:04 |
| jsgotangco | i saw some of your committed stuff had biblio tags already | 08:04 |
| froud | which the install guide? | 08:05 |
| jsgotangco | i think so | 08:05 |
| froud | yeah it also have glossterms | 08:05 |
| jsgotangco | i think i need to make a progress chart for some docs i adopted | 08:05 |
| jsgotangco | my day is getting messier lately | 08:05 |
| froud | but to use it you need to install computerdictionary-xx.deb | 08:05 |
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| jsgotangco | does Ubuntu have a marketing team? | 08:06 |
| jsgotangco | (community based) | 08:06 |
| froud | not really community based | 08:07 |
| jsgotangco | well yeah, silbs for example | 08:07 |
| froud | some people at Canonical like mako do this stuff | 08:07 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 08:07 |
| froud | yes and jane | 08:07 |
| jsgotangco | because i was looking at the OOo site | 08:07 |
| jsgotangco | their marketing team (community and sun) is huge | 08:07 |
| froud | yes | 08:08 |
| jsgotangco | (its because of this todo thing i have regarding flyer for ubuntu conferences) | 08:09 |
| jsgotangco | (we're not supposed to do flyers) | 08:09 |
| froud | oh really, why? | 08:09 |
| jsgotangco | well it means we still have to think of bling bling stuff to write about at the same time create the flyer | 08:11 |
| jsgotangco | (not that its hard to do) | 08:11 |
| jsgotangco | (but then OOo marketing stuff was createdby community so..) | 08:11 |
| froud | Well there should be no real reason why people in the community can't do marketing stuff | 08:12 |
| jsgotangco | yeah maybe i should propose one | 08:12 |
| froud | sometimes people forget that this is not about mark or canonical, its about what the community wants to do | 08:12 |
| froud | if the above mentioned want to succeed then they must embrace what they community wants | 08:13 |
| froud | so far they are doing a fair job | 08:13 |
| froud | not easy, when you consider the millions of ideas and thoughts | 08:13 |
| jsgotangco | true and we're just a drop in the OS space at the moment | 08:14 |
| jsgotangco | (collabnet sure does look sweet on the ooo site though) | 08:14 |
| froud | but if you have ideas for marketing I am certain silbs will be interested | 08:14 |
| froud | I have an ubuntu poster that I can contribute | 08:14 |
| jsgotangco | can i take a look? | 08:14 |
| froud | Big file | 08:15 |
| froud | I will commit an inkscape version sometime today | 08:15 |
| froud | I need to port it from freehand | 08:15 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh ok | 08:16 |
| froud | Ok I also have the basics for a Kubuntu poster | 08:16 |
| jsgotangco | you did it yourself? | 08:16 |
| froud | Yes | 08:16 |
| froud | The posters are sized 60cm X 90 cm | 08:17 |
| jsgotangco | im doing something in inkscape in A4 but its quite empty yet | 08:17 |
| froud | create a folder in trunk called artwork | 08:17 |
| froud | lets commit our ideas to there | 08:17 |
| jsgotangco | good idea | 08:17 |
| froud | you know how to create directories and do recursive add right? | 08:18 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 08:18 |
| froud | OK, the problem with inkscape is that it does not do a good export | 08:18 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 08:19 |
| jsgotangco | wait | 08:19 |
| jsgotangco | you're telling me that we're exporting inkscape to xml | 08:19 |
| jsgotangco | not native inkscape | 08:19 |
| froud | so the method I use is to export the image at 600 dpi | 08:19 |
| Burgundavia | svg is already xml | 08:19 |
| froud | non o | 08:19 |
| Burgundavia | once you have the svg, you can do what you wish with it | 08:19 |
| froud | OK from svg you need a format for printing | 08:19 |
| jsgotangco | i know its xml i though we're exporting it to another format | 08:19 |
| froud | so i export to png at 600 dpi | 08:20 |
| froud | then open gimp | 08:20 |
| froud | flatten the image | 08:20 |
| froud | save | 08:20 |
| froud | many printers can't use png files | 08:20 |
| froud | so I use gimp to export to tiff and jpeg | 08:21 |
| froud | give the printer all three file | 08:21 |
| froud | I recently printed some posters on a 1200 dpi plaotter | 08:21 |
| froud | plotter | 08:21 |
| froud | the file was at 1200 dpi | 08:22 |
| jsgotangco | you do have some neat toys | 08:22 |
| froud | the images are great, cystal sharp | 08:22 |
| froud | its my job to have these toys | 08:22 |
| froud | do what you love, love what you do | 08:22 |
| jsgotangco | (ok i forgot you are in the documentation business) | 08:22 |
| froud | all the images on my web site are made in inkscape | 08:23 |
| froud | I was speaking lats wee with the editor of tectronic the FOSS magazine here in CO.ZA | 08:23 |
| froud | They are really looking to use a FOSS tool chain to do their magazine | 08:24 |
| froud | but the tool chain is not up to it just yet | 08:24 |
| froud | so they have to use closed source apps | 08:24 |
| froud | doing postscript on Linux is a bitch | 08:24 |
| froud | its then that you wish you were using Mac OSX | 08:25 |
| froud | if you go to print, make sure that your printer can open large files | 08:26 |
| froud | at 1200 dpi a poster 90 x 60 cm was 3GB | 08:26 |
| jsgotangco | jeez | 08:27 |
| froud | yeah, obviously it is smaller with 600dpi | 08:27 |
| froud | but you need to watch out | 08:27 |
| froud | lower dpi results in blurred edges on curves | 08:28 |
| froud | 600 should be enough | 08:28 |
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| froud | if not up to 1200 | 08:28 |
| jsgotangco | but is it possible to change that in inkscape in the middle of work? | 08:28 |
| froud | yes, it scales well b'cause it is svg | 08:28 |
| froud | you can start work at A4 and scale later | 08:29 |
| jsgotangco | yes that would be nice | 08:29 |
| froud | remember toleave some bleed on the page | 08:29 |
| froud | for example | 08:29 |
| froud | ifyou what full color on the page, no white border | 08:29 |
| froud | make the background larger than the page size | 08:30 |
| froud | they will print in oversized A3 paper and cut it to A3 | 08:30 |
| froud | same with other sizes | 08:30 |
| jsgotangco | yes yes, i've seen some raw prints and they overlapt | 08:30 |
| froud | yes, so long as you have bleed you will have a full color background | 08:31 |
| froud | of course if you print on a plotter you will have no choice but to accept a white border about 3cm all around | 08:31 |
| froud | but that's ok the poster still looks coll | 08:32 |
| froud | cool | 08:32 |
| jsgotangco | plotters rely on cmyk as well right? | 08:33 |
| froud | yes, but png is rgb | 08:33 |
| froud | I used rbg, the result was not exactly the color tones I wanted, but it was close enough | 08:34 |
| froud | btw for the most part the svg is easily imported to freehand and illustrator | 08:34 |
| froud | on complex images some lines come in all borked | 08:35 |
| froud | but simple lines work well | 08:35 |
| froud | the problem seemed to be with gradients | 08:35 |
| froud | if you use gradients make sure you also get a high dpi, otherwise some printers give you big steps | 08:36 |
| jsgotangco | i dont get it what did gradients have to do with complex lines | 08:36 |
| jsgotangco | the gradients are supposed to be printed on large presses | 08:36 |
| jsgotangco | not simple plotters | 08:36 |
| froud | Complex lines seem to go borked, but simple lines like a circle with gradient also have problems | 08:37 |
| froud | that is why I just exported a png at 1200 dpi and then used gimp | 08:37 |
| froud | at first I was going to import the svg into freehand | 08:37 |
| froud | that is when I found the problem | 08:38 |
| froud | I guess the standards are not yet there to support seemless interchange | 08:38 |
| froud | but once svg is stable, it will make an excellent interchange format | 08:38 |
| froud | hey I must go. gotto take daughters to school and then I have a meeting, new customer :-) | 08:39 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 08:39 |
| jsgotangco | ok | 08:39 |
| froud | will commit my posters later | 08:39 |
| jsgotangco | the money pot just keeps on pouring | 08:39 |
| froud | hard work though | 08:39 |
| jsgotangco | its always like that | 08:39 |
| jsgotangco | nothing ventured nothing gained | 08:40 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 08:40 |
| froud | gotto keep the work rolling for all these writers I am now employing | 08:40 |
| froud | oh well, gotto make jobs for the unemployed | 08:40 |
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| froud | bye | 08:40 |
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| jsgotangco | gyahhh CC meeting is 6am | 11:26 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 11:27 |
| jsgotangco | oh well | 11:27 |
| Burgundavia | when is the CC meeting? | 11:27 |
| jsgotangco | 22:00 UTC May 24 | 11:27 |
| Burgundavia | 3pm for me | 11:27 |
| jsgotangco | curse you heh | 11:27 |
| Seveas | midnight for me :S | 11:38 |
| Burgundavia | can't please everyone | 11:39 |
| mdke | morning all | 11:50 |
| Burgundavia | salut | 11:51 |
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| mdke | hi jsgotangco | 11:55 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 11:56 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, hows it going? | 11:57 |
| mdke | fine thanks, you? | 11:57 |
| jsgotangco | not bad | 11:57 |
| jsgotangco | (its raining outside though and i want to go home) | 11:57 |
| mdke | hmm | 11:58 |
| jsgotangco | whats on your mind | 11:58 |
| mdke | not much at all | 11:59 |
| mdke | i just got up | 11:59 |
| mdke | i'm thinking about all the work i have to do today :( | 11:59 |
| jsgotangco | what kind of work, student work or work work to make a living | 11:59 |
| mdke | student work | 11:59 |
| jsgotangco | (student work isn't so bad) | 11:59 |
| mdke | perhaps "work" was the wrong word ;) | 11:59 |
| jsgotangco | id probably go back to school too if i had time | 12:00 |
| mdke | i'm sick of it now | 12:01 |
| jsgotangco | (if i was taking law id be sick of it too) | 12:01 |
| mdke | *laughs* | 12:01 |
| jsgotangco | i almost took up law 6 years ago | 12:01 |
| mdke | didnt like it? | 12:03 |
| jsgotangco | my first job was in a law firm | 12:04 |
| jsgotangco | it did liason work | 12:04 |
| jsgotangco | pretty sleazy stuff, we were in real estate | 12:04 |
| mdke | *grins* | 12:05 |
| mdke | sleazy lawyers ;) | 12:05 |
| jsgotangco | yeah we had to bring lots of gifts to court people during christmas | 12:06 |
| jsgotangco | it would be nice if GNOME Clock would say what timezone it is using (such as printing out UTC) | 12:08 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 12:08 |
| mdke | yeah | 12:09 |
| jsgotangco | i look at my clock and it says 10:09 but outside i see stars | 12:09 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:09 |
| mdke | system -> admin -> time and date ;) | 12:09 |
| jsgotangco | no i meant having UTC explicitly indicated in the display | 12:10 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:10 |
| jsgotangco | ok im out see you in the CC meetikng later | 12:24 |
| jsgotangco | bye | 12:24 |
| mdke | bye | 12:25 |
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| Kinnison | Morning | 04:45 |
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| Burgundavia | morning Kinnison | 04:58 |
| Kinnison | burgey. | 05:06 |
| jiyuu0 | Fresh from oven... | 05:29 |
| jiyuu0 | Unofficial Ubuntu 5.04 Add-On CD | 05:29 |
| jiyuu0 | Applications Snapshots: 23rd May 2005 | 05:29 |
| jiyuu0 | http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd/ | 05:29 |
| jiyuu0 | Packages List: http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd/add-on-cd-2005-05-23 | 05:29 |
| mdke | jiyuu0, ooh what is ubuntu.xpm.gz like? | 08:09 |
| mdke | you got a url/screenshot ? | 08:09 |
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| mdke | found it | 08:15 |
| jjesse | afternoon | 08:18 |
| froud | hey dudes | 08:24 |
| froud | anyone had problems configuring wlan | 08:24 |
| mdke | froud, yes sometimes | 08:28 |
| froud | I have card initialized | 08:28 |
| froud | so i c it with iwconfig | 08:28 |
| froud | when I down eth0 which is LAN | 08:29 |
| froud | I can ping my gateway | 08:29 |
| froud | via eth1 (which is wlan) | 08:29 |
| mdke | ok | 08:29 |
| froud | but I cannot seem to get http working | 08:29 |
| mdke | are you getting the ip via dhcp? | 08:29 |
| froud | in /etc/network/interfaces | 08:30 |
| froud | no static | 08:30 |
| mdke | have you set up the nameservers? | 08:30 |
| mdke | can you ping 216.239.57.99 ? | 08:30 |
| froud | yes /etc/resolov.conf has three | 08:31 |
| froud | yes /etc/resolv.conf has three | 08:31 |
| froud | no I cant ping past my gateway | 08:31 |
| mdke | how odd | 08:31 |
| froud | but in /etc/networ/interfaces | 08:32 |
| mdke | have you tried taking your eth0 down before taking eth1 up? | 08:32 |
| froud | but in /etc/networt/interfaces | 08:32 |
| froud | I see that eth1 only has address and netmask defined | 08:32 |
| froud | yes eth0 was down | 08:32 |
| mdke | hmm | 08:33 |
| froud | shouldn't each iface have 'address' 'netmask' 'network' 'broadcast' values | 08:33 |
| mdke | lemme check | 08:34 |
| mdke | i just have address, netmask, gateway, wireless-essid | 08:34 |
| froud | in interfaces? | 08:35 |
| mdke | yeah | 08:35 |
| froud | ok lemme try add it with vi | 08:35 |
| froud | ok that works | 08:37 |
| froud | seems there is a bug in knetworkconf_module | 08:37 |
| mdke | what was missing? | 08:37 |
| froud | must speak to kubuntu-devel thanks | 08:37 |
| froud | when the wlan card is defined in interfaces | 08:37 |
| froud | it is missing everything except | 08:38 |
| froud | address and network values | 08:38 |
| mdke | hmm | 08:38 |
| froud | yeah, Hmm | 08:38 |
| mdke | ;) | 08:38 |
| mdke | Be BaCk LaTeR | 08:38 |
| mdke | TV | 08:38 |
| froud | ok lemme speak to the devels at Kubuntu | 08:38 |
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| Burgundavia | I have to go looking for a job soon | 09:01 |
| Burgundavia | as my money is running low | 09:01 |
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| jjesse | that stinks burgundavia, good luck | 09:06 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:07 |
| Burgundavia | I have been very happily unemployed for almost 3 months now | 09:07 |
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| jjesse | wish i had the ability to stay unemployed for three months | 09:07 |
| Burgundavia | I got a 3k CAD paycheck just before I left | 09:08 |
| Burgundavia | my lastjob | 09:08 |
| Burgundavia | been leaving off that | 09:08 |
| zulu | how can I test who already registered a nick | 09:08 |
| jjesse | sorry can't help you o that one zulu | 09:08 |
| Burgundavia | no idea, you want to ask in a the freenod staff channel | 09:08 |
| zulu | dudes zulu is froud on his lappy sitting in lounge connected via wlan:-) | 09:09 |
| zulu | oh well just hav eto use my other nick | 09:09 |
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| venda | Burgundavia: why dont you start your own business | 09:12 |
| venda | it beats working for somebody else | 09:12 |
| Burgundavia | nah, too much work | 09:14 |
| Burgundavia | I want to work for someone else 2-3 days a week | 09:14 |
| Burgundavia | and do Ubuntu/dev stuff the other 3-4 | 09:14 |
| venda | why not start a software development company | 09:15 |
| Burgundavia | gah | 09:15 |
| venda | no really, do custom development | 09:16 |
| venda | you can work from home | 09:16 |
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| venda | nite chaps | 10:29 |
| Kinnison | night | 10:30 |
| venda | c you in the morning | 10:30 |
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