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jsgotangcohello03:57
Burgundaviasalut03:57
jsgotangcowow templates!03:59
jsgotangco(at last)03:59
jsgotangcoBurgundavia, do you know how to apply a diff patch?04:05
Burgundaviahmm, no idea04:08
Burgundaviasomeone else will pick it up04:08
jsgotangcowell i want to pick it up04:09
jsgotangco(to learn)04:09
Burgundaviaask froud04:09
Burgundaviaor jeffsch04:09
BurgundaviaI have mostly been doing UI stuff recently04:09
jsgotangcoahh svn merge04:12
_froud_jsgotangco: why do you send a diff, why not just do the commit yourself?07:42
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jsgotangcoi did not send the diff07:42
jsgotangco:P07:42
froudooops07:42
jsgotangcojjesse did07:42
jsgotangcoi dont know how to patch07:42
jsgotangcothats why i havent committed it07:42
froudok, you want to try it07:43
jsgotangcoi do07:43
jsgotangcois that merge in esvn?07:43
froudno no07:43
froudlemme check the patch first gimme a sec07:43
froudok save the diff file in to the kwick guide folder07:44
jsgotangcook07:45
froudthen do patch -p0 kquickguide.xml kquickguide.diff07:46
jsgotangcowell ok thats only a patch command i was thinking esvn07:47
froud:-) esvn does not have atool for that07:47
froudit's good not that good07:48
jsgotangcoahh so patch is still just plain patch07:48
froudyeah07:48
froudI can speak to the devels at eSvn and ask them for a util to apply a patch07:48
jsgotangcohow will you know if the patch is no good?07:48
froudyou should check it07:48
froudthen apply it07:49
froudif you are happy you just apply it. otherwise apply it and then fix 07:49
froudremember you can always see the diff since you can do a quick diff07:49
jsgotangcoo right07:50
froudmost time I commit the patch so that it is recorded07:50
froudthen I fix and submit another patch07:50
froudunless of course the patch has too many mistakes07:50
jsgotangcowell the patch in this case is pretty trivial i dunno why he sent it hehe but then its a contribution07:51
froudbut if they are small ones and the patch as a whole is good, then it does not hurt07:51
froudevery patch is important07:51
froudno matter how small :-)07:51
jsgotangcoill take your word for it07:52
froudsure, as you say, "its a contribution"07:52
froudI like to call them gifts07:52
froudnice one07:56
froudnow send a message to the list saying you have applied it, not everyone is on the commit list07:56
jsgotangcooh right07:56
jsgotangcothank you o mentor07:56
froudbtw. kwickguide is looking good dude thanks for that07:57
jsgotangcooh i could have been done with it if not for this oracle project07:58
froudthat's the way it goes. How's is the oracle ting doing07:58
=== froud does pretty print to make xml neat
jsgotangcowell im trying out a new methodology called Rapid Start for E-Business Suite08:00
froudon 10g08:00
jsgotangcoyeah08:00
froudwow'08:00
froudI saw guys form oracle install and fine tune 10g in 18 minutes08:00
jsgotangcobut im thinking of convincing the developers to testing it in Ubuntu instead of forcing clients to use old Red Hat 908:00
froudcan they install on a deb based system?08:01
jsgotangcowell i can do that as a project08:01
jsgotangco(you never know)08:01
jsgotangcobut then08:01
jsgotangcooracle's a big company08:01
jsgotangco(but its a good opportunity perhaps)08:02
froudsure08:02
froudSo now you need screencaptures for quickguide, right?08:03
jsgotangcoyeah ill cover it probably this weekend08:03
froudif you want help on it, send a message to the list08:03
frouddo some adertising08:03
jsgotangcowhat's incoming for?08:04
froudoh, that's for the stuff that will come from wiki into svn08:04
froudbefore we know where or what to do with it08:04
froudwe will put it there08:04
jsgotangcoi saw some of your committed stuff had biblio tags already08:04
froudwhich the install guide?08:05
jsgotangcoi think so08:05
froudyeah it also have glossterms08:05
jsgotangcoi think i need to make a progress chart for some docs i adopted08:05
jsgotangcomy day is getting messier lately08:05
froudbut to use it you need to install computerdictionary-xx.deb08:05
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jsgotangcodoes Ubuntu have a marketing team?08:06
jsgotangco(community based)08:06
froudnot really community based08:07
jsgotangcowell yeah, silbs for example08:07
froudsome people at Canonical like mako do this stuff08:07
jsgotangcohmm08:07
froudyes and jane08:07
jsgotangcobecause i was looking at the OOo site08:07
jsgotangcotheir marketing team (community and sun) is huge08:07
froudyes08:08
jsgotangco(its because of this todo thing i have regarding flyer for ubuntu conferences)08:09
jsgotangco(we're not supposed to do flyers)08:09
froudoh really, why?08:09
jsgotangcowell it means we still have to think of bling bling stuff to write about at the same time create the flyer08:11
jsgotangco(not that its hard to do)08:11
jsgotangco(but then OOo marketing stuff was createdby community so..)08:11
froudWell there should be no real reason why people in the community can't do marketing stuff08:12
jsgotangcoyeah maybe i should propose one08:12
froudsometimes people forget that this is not about mark or canonical, its about what the community wants to do08:12
froudif the above mentioned want to succeed then they must embrace what they community wants08:13
froudso far they are doing a fair job08:13
froudnot easy, when you consider the millions of ideas and thoughts08:13
jsgotangcotrue and we're just a drop in the OS space at the moment08:14
jsgotangco(collabnet sure does look sweet on the ooo site though)08:14
froudbut if you have ideas for marketing I am certain silbs will be interested08:14
froudI have an ubuntu poster that I can contribute08:14
jsgotangcocan i take a look?08:14
froudBig file08:15
froudI will commit an inkscape version sometime today08:15
froudI need to port it from freehand08:15
jsgotangcoahhh ok08:16
froudOk I also have the basics for a Kubuntu poster08:16
jsgotangcoyou did it yourself?08:16
froudYes08:16
froudThe posters are sized 60cm X 90 cm08:17
jsgotangcoim doing something in inkscape in A4 but its quite empty yet08:17
froudcreate a folder in trunk called artwork08:17
froudlets commit our ideas to there08:17
jsgotangcogood idea08:17
froudyou know how to create directories and do recursive add right?08:18
jsgotangcoyeah08:18
froudOK, the problem with inkscape is that it does not do a good export08:18
jsgotangcohmm08:19
jsgotangcowait08:19
jsgotangcoyou're telling me that we're exporting inkscape to xml08:19
jsgotangconot native inkscape08:19
froudso the method I use is to export the image at 600 dpi08:19
Burgundaviasvg is already xml08:19
froudnon o08:19
Burgundaviaonce you have the svg, you can do what you wish with it08:19
froudOK from svg you need a format for printing08:19
jsgotangcoi know its xml i though we're exporting it to another format08:19
froudso i export to png at 600 dpi08:20
froudthen open gimp08:20
froudflatten the image08:20
froudsave08:20
froudmany printers can't use png files08:20
froudso I use gimp to export to tiff and jpeg08:21
froudgive the printer all three file08:21
froudI recently printed some posters on a 1200 dpi plaotter08:21
froudplotter08:21
froudthe file was at 1200 dpi08:22
jsgotangcoyou do have some neat toys08:22
froudthe images are great, cystal sharp08:22
froudits my job to have these toys08:22
frouddo what you love, love what you do08:22
jsgotangco(ok i forgot you are in the documentation business)08:22
froudall the images on my web site are made in inkscape08:23
froudI was speaking lats wee with the editor of tectronic the FOSS magazine here in CO.ZA08:23
froudThey are really looking to use a FOSS tool chain to do their magazine08:24
froudbut the tool chain is not up to it just yet08:24
froudso they have to use closed source apps08:24
frouddoing postscript on Linux is a bitch08:24
froudits then that you wish you were using Mac OSX08:25
froudif you go to print, make sure that your printer can open large files08:26
froudat 1200 dpi a poster 90 x 60 cm was 3GB08:26
jsgotangcojeez08:27
froudyeah, obviously it is smaller with 600dpi08:27
froudbut you need to watch out08:27
froudlower dpi results in blurred edges on curves08:28
froud600 should be enough08:28
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froudif not up to 120008:28
jsgotangcobut is it possible to change that in inkscape in the middle of work?08:28
froudyes, it scales well b'cause it is svg08:28
froudyou can start work at A4 and scale later08:29
jsgotangcoyes that would be nice08:29
froudremember toleave some bleed on the page08:29
froudfor example08:29
froudifyou what full color on the page, no white border08:29
froudmake the background larger than the page size08:30
froudthey will print in oversized A3 paper and cut it to A308:30
froudsame with other sizes08:30
jsgotangcoyes yes, i've seen some raw prints and they overlapt08:30
froudyes, so long as you have bleed you will have a full color background08:31
froudof course if you print on a plotter you will have no choice but to accept a white border about 3cm all around08:31
froudbut that's ok the poster still looks coll08:32
froudcool08:32
jsgotangcoplotters rely on cmyk as well right?08:33
froudyes, but png is rgb08:33
froudI used rbg, the result was not exactly the color tones I wanted, but it was close enough08:34
froudbtw for the most part the svg is easily imported to freehand and illustrator08:34
froudon complex images some lines come in all borked08:35
froudbut simple lines work well08:35
froudthe problem seemed to be with gradients08:35
froudif you use gradients make sure you also get a high dpi, otherwise some printers give you big steps08:36
jsgotangcoi dont get it what did gradients have to do with complex lines08:36
jsgotangcothe gradients are supposed to be printed on large presses08:36
jsgotangconot simple plotters08:36
froudComplex lines seem to go borked, but simple lines like a circle with gradient also have problems08:37
froudthat is why I just exported a png at 1200 dpi and then used gimp08:37
froudat first I was going to import the svg into freehand08:37
froudthat is when I found the problem08:38
froudI guess the standards are not yet there to support seemless interchange08:38
froudbut once svg is stable, it will make an excellent interchange format08:38
froudhey I must go. gotto take daughters to school and then I have a meeting, new customer :-)08:39
jsgotangcowow08:39
jsgotangcook08:39
froudwill commit my posters later08:39
jsgotangcothe money pot just keeps on pouring08:39
froudhard work though08:39
jsgotangcoits always like that08:39
jsgotangconothing ventured nothing gained08:40
jsgotangcoheh08:40
froudgotto keep the work rolling for all these writers I am now employing08:40
froudoh well, gotto make jobs for the unemployed08:40
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froudbye08:40
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jsgotangcogyahhh CC meeting is 6am11:26
jsgotangcoheh11:27
jsgotangcooh well11:27
Burgundaviawhen is the CC meeting?11:27
jsgotangco22:00 UTC May 2411:27
Burgundavia3pm for me11:27
jsgotangcocurse you heh11:27
Seveasmidnight for me :S11:38
Burgundaviacan't please everyone11:39
mdkemorning all11:50
Burgundaviasalut11:51
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mdkehi jsgotangco 11:55
jsgotangcohey11:56
jsgotangcomdke, hows it going?11:57
mdkefine thanks, you?11:57
jsgotangconot bad11:57
jsgotangco(its raining outside though and i want to go home)11:57
mdkehmm11:58
jsgotangcowhats on your mind11:58
mdkenot much at all11:59
mdkei just got up11:59
mdkei'm thinking about all the work i have to do today :(11:59
jsgotangcowhat kind of work, student work or work work to make a living11:59
mdkestudent work11:59
jsgotangco(student work isn't so bad)11:59
mdkeperhaps "work" was the wrong word ;)11:59
jsgotangcoid probably go back to school too if i had time12:00
mdkei'm sick of it now12:01
jsgotangco(if i was taking law id be sick of it too)12:01
mdke*laughs*12:01
jsgotangcoi almost took up law 6 years ago12:01
mdkedidnt like it?12:03
jsgotangcomy first job was in a law firm12:04
jsgotangcoit did liason work12:04
jsgotangcopretty sleazy stuff, we were in real estate12:04
mdke*grins*12:05
mdkesleazy lawyers ;)12:05
jsgotangcoyeah we had to bring lots of gifts to court people during christmas12:06
jsgotangcoit would be nice if GNOME Clock would say what timezone it is using (such as printing out UTC)12:08
Burgundaviayes12:08
mdkeyeah12:09
jsgotangcoi look at my clock and it says 10:09 but outside i see stars12:09
jsgotangcoheh12:09
mdkesystem -> admin -> time and date ;)12:09
jsgotangcono i meant having UTC explicitly indicated in the display12:10
jsgotangcoheh12:10
jsgotangcook im  out see you in the CC meetikng later12:24
jsgotangcobye12:24
mdkebye12:25
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KinnisonMorning04:45
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Burgundaviamorning Kinnison 04:58
Kinnisonburgey.05:06
jiyuu0Fresh from oven...05:29
jiyuu0Unofficial Ubuntu 5.04 Add-On CD05:29
jiyuu0Applications Snapshots: 23rd May 200505:29
jiyuu0http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd/05:29
jiyuu0Packages List: http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd/add-on-cd-2005-05-2305:29
mdkejiyuu0, ooh what is ubuntu.xpm.gz like?08:09
mdkeyou got a url/screenshot ?08:09
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mdkefound it08:15
jjesseafternoon08:18
froudhey dudes08:24
froudanyone had problems configuring wlan08:24
mdkefroud, yes sometimes08:28
froudI have card initialized08:28
froudso i c it with iwconfig08:28
froudwhen I down eth0 which is LAN08:29
froudI can ping my gateway08:29
froudvia eth1 (which is wlan)08:29
mdkeok08:29
froudbut I cannot seem to get http working08:29
mdkeare you getting the ip via dhcp?08:29
froudin /etc/network/interfaces08:30
froudno static08:30
mdkehave you set up the nameservers?08:30
mdkecan you ping 216.239.57.99 ?08:30
froudyes /etc/resolov.conf has three08:31
froudyes /etc/resolv.conf has three08:31
froudno I cant ping past my gateway08:31
mdkehow odd08:31
froudbut in /etc/networ/interfaces08:32
mdkehave you tried taking your eth0 down before taking eth1 up?08:32
froudbut in /etc/networt/interfaces08:32
froudI see that eth1 only has address and netmask defined08:32
froudyes eth0 was down08:32
mdkehmm08:33
froudshouldn't each iface have 'address' 'netmask' 'network' 'broadcast' values08:33
mdkelemme check08:34
mdkei just have address, netmask, gateway, wireless-essid08:34
froudin interfaces?08:35
mdkeyeah08:35
froudok lemme try add it with vi08:35
froudok that works08:37
froudseems there is a bug in knetworkconf_module08:37
mdkewhat was missing?08:37
froudmust speak to kubuntu-devel thanks08:37
froudwhen the wlan card is defined in interfaces08:37
froudit is missing everything except08:38
froudaddress and network values08:38
mdkehmm08:38
froudyeah, Hmm08:38
mdke;)08:38
mdkeBe BaCk LaTeR08:38
mdkeTV08:38
froudok lemme speak to the devels at Kubuntu08:38
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BurgundaviaI have to go looking for a job soon09:01
Burgundaviaas my money is running low09:01
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jjessethat stinks burgundavia, good luck09:06
Burgundaviayes09:07
BurgundaviaI have been very happily unemployed for almost 3 months now09:07
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jjessewish i had the ability to stay unemployed for three months09:07
BurgundaviaI got a 3k CAD paycheck just before I left09:08
Burgundaviamy lastjob09:08
Burgundaviabeen leaving off that09:08
zuluhow can I test who already registered a nick09:08
jjessesorry can't help you o that one zulu09:08
Burgundaviano idea, you want to ask in a the freenod staff channel09:08
zulududes zulu is froud on his lappy sitting in lounge connected via wlan:-)09:09
zuluoh well just hav eto use my other nick09:09
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vendaBurgundavia: why dont you start your own business09:12
vendait beats working for somebody else09:12
Burgundavianah, too much work09:14
BurgundaviaI want to work for someone else 2-3 days a week09:14
Burgundaviaand do Ubuntu/dev stuff the other 3-409:14
vendawhy not start a software development company09:15
Burgundaviagah09:15
vendano really, do custom development09:16
vendayou can work from home09:16
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vendanite chaps10:29
Kinnisonnight10:30
vendac you in the morning10:30
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