=== jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:57] hello [03:57] salut [03:59] wow templates! [03:59] (at last) [04:05] Burgundavia, do you know how to apply a diff patch? [04:08] hmm, no idea [04:08] someone else will pick it up [04:09] well i want to pick it up [04:09] (to learn) [04:09] ask froud [04:09] or jeffsch [04:09] I have mostly been doing UI stuff recently [04:12] ahh svn merge [07:42] <_froud_> jsgotangco: why do you send a diff, why not just do the commit yourself? === _froud_ is now known as froud [07:42] i did not send the diff [07:42] :P [07:42] ooops [07:42] jjesse did [07:42] i dont know how to patch [07:42] thats why i havent committed it [07:43] ok, you want to try it [07:43] i do [07:43] is that merge in esvn? [07:43] no no [07:43] lemme check the patch first gimme a sec [07:44] ok save the diff file in to the kwick guide folder [07:45] ok [07:46] then do patch -p0 kquickguide.xml kquickguide.diff [07:47] well ok thats only a patch command i was thinking esvn [07:47] :-) esvn does not have atool for that [07:48] it's good not that good [07:48] ahh so patch is still just plain patch [07:48] yeah [07:48] I can speak to the devels at eSvn and ask them for a util to apply a patch [07:48] how will you know if the patch is no good? [07:48] you should check it [07:49] then apply it [07:49] if you are happy you just apply it. otherwise apply it and then fix [07:49] remember you can always see the diff since you can do a quick diff [07:50] o right [07:50] most time I commit the patch so that it is recorded [07:50] then I fix and submit another patch [07:50] unless of course the patch has too many mistakes [07:51] well the patch in this case is pretty trivial i dunno why he sent it hehe but then its a contribution [07:51] but if they are small ones and the patch as a whole is good, then it does not hurt [07:51] every patch is important [07:51] no matter how small :-) [07:52] ill take your word for it [07:52] sure, as you say, "its a contribution" [07:52] I like to call them gifts [07:56] nice one [07:56] now send a message to the list saying you have applied it, not everyone is on the commit list [07:56] oh right [07:56] thank you o mentor [07:57] btw. kwickguide is looking good dude thanks for that [07:58] oh i could have been done with it if not for this oracle project [07:58] that's the way it goes. How's is the oracle ting doing === froud does pretty print to make xml neat [08:00] well im trying out a new methodology called Rapid Start for E-Business Suite [08:00] on 10g [08:00] yeah [08:00] wow' [08:00] I saw guys form oracle install and fine tune 10g in 18 minutes [08:00] but im thinking of convincing the developers to testing it in Ubuntu instead of forcing clients to use old Red Hat 9 [08:01] can they install on a deb based system? [08:01] well i can do that as a project [08:01] (you never know) [08:01] but then [08:01] oracle's a big company [08:02] (but its a good opportunity perhaps) [08:02] sure [08:03] So now you need screencaptures for quickguide, right? [08:03] yeah ill cover it probably this weekend [08:03] if you want help on it, send a message to the list [08:03] do some adertising [08:04] what's incoming for? [08:04] oh, that's for the stuff that will come from wiki into svn [08:04] before we know where or what to do with it [08:04] we will put it there [08:04] i saw some of your committed stuff had biblio tags already [08:05] which the install guide? [08:05] i think so [08:05] yeah it also have glossterms [08:05] i think i need to make a progress chart for some docs i adopted [08:05] my day is getting messier lately [08:05] but to use it you need to install computerdictionary-xx.deb === jsgotangco curses broken imendio planner [08:06] does Ubuntu have a marketing team? [08:06] (community based) [08:07] not really community based [08:07] well yeah, silbs for example [08:07] some people at Canonical like mako do this stuff [08:07] hmm [08:07] yes and jane [08:07] because i was looking at the OOo site [08:07] their marketing team (community and sun) is huge [08:08] yes [08:09] (its because of this todo thing i have regarding flyer for ubuntu conferences) [08:09] (we're not supposed to do flyers) [08:09] oh really, why? [08:11] well it means we still have to think of bling bling stuff to write about at the same time create the flyer [08:11] (not that its hard to do) [08:11] (but then OOo marketing stuff was createdby community so..) [08:12] Well there should be no real reason why people in the community can't do marketing stuff [08:12] yeah maybe i should propose one [08:12] sometimes people forget that this is not about mark or canonical, its about what the community wants to do [08:13] if the above mentioned want to succeed then they must embrace what they community wants [08:13] so far they are doing a fair job [08:13] not easy, when you consider the millions of ideas and thoughts [08:14] true and we're just a drop in the OS space at the moment [08:14] (collabnet sure does look sweet on the ooo site though) [08:14] but if you have ideas for marketing I am certain silbs will be interested [08:14] I have an ubuntu poster that I can contribute [08:14] can i take a look? [08:15] Big file [08:15] I will commit an inkscape version sometime today [08:15] I need to port it from freehand [08:16] ahhh ok [08:16] Ok I also have the basics for a Kubuntu poster [08:16] you did it yourself? [08:16] Yes [08:17] The posters are sized 60cm X 90 cm [08:17] im doing something in inkscape in A4 but its quite empty yet [08:17] create a folder in trunk called artwork [08:17] lets commit our ideas to there [08:17] good idea [08:18] you know how to create directories and do recursive add right? [08:18] yeah [08:18] OK, the problem with inkscape is that it does not do a good export [08:19] hmm [08:19] wait [08:19] you're telling me that we're exporting inkscape to xml [08:19] not native inkscape [08:19] so the method I use is to export the image at 600 dpi [08:19] svg is already xml [08:19] non o [08:19] once you have the svg, you can do what you wish with it [08:19] OK from svg you need a format for printing [08:19] i know its xml i though we're exporting it to another format [08:20] so i export to png at 600 dpi [08:20] then open gimp [08:20] flatten the image [08:20] save [08:20] many printers can't use png files [08:21] so I use gimp to export to tiff and jpeg [08:21] give the printer all three file [08:21] I recently printed some posters on a 1200 dpi plaotter [08:21] plotter [08:22] the file was at 1200 dpi [08:22] you do have some neat toys [08:22] the images are great, cystal sharp [08:22] its my job to have these toys [08:22] do what you love, love what you do [08:22] (ok i forgot you are in the documentation business) [08:23] all the images on my web site are made in inkscape [08:23] I was speaking lats wee with the editor of tectronic the FOSS magazine here in CO.ZA [08:24] They are really looking to use a FOSS tool chain to do their magazine [08:24] but the tool chain is not up to it just yet [08:24] so they have to use closed source apps [08:24] doing postscript on Linux is a bitch [08:25] its then that you wish you were using Mac OSX [08:26] if you go to print, make sure that your printer can open large files [08:26] at 1200 dpi a poster 90 x 60 cm was 3GB [08:27] jeez [08:27] yeah, obviously it is smaller with 600dpi [08:27] but you need to watch out [08:28] lower dpi results in blurred edges on curves [08:28] 600 should be enough === jsgotangco creates proof of concepts first [08:28] if not up to 1200 [08:28] but is it possible to change that in inkscape in the middle of work? [08:28] yes, it scales well b'cause it is svg [08:29] you can start work at A4 and scale later [08:29] yes that would be nice [08:29] remember toleave some bleed on the page [08:29] for example [08:29] ifyou what full color on the page, no white border [08:30] make the background larger than the page size [08:30] they will print in oversized A3 paper and cut it to A3 [08:30] same with other sizes [08:30] yes yes, i've seen some raw prints and they overlapt [08:31] yes, so long as you have bleed you will have a full color background [08:31] of course if you print on a plotter you will have no choice but to accept a white border about 3cm all around [08:32] but that's ok the poster still looks coll [08:32] cool [08:33] plotters rely on cmyk as well right? [08:33] yes, but png is rgb [08:34] I used rbg, the result was not exactly the color tones I wanted, but it was close enough [08:34] btw for the most part the svg is easily imported to freehand and illustrator [08:35] on complex images some lines come in all borked [08:35] but simple lines work well [08:35] the problem seemed to be with gradients [08:36] if you use gradients make sure you also get a high dpi, otherwise some printers give you big steps [08:36] i dont get it what did gradients have to do with complex lines [08:36] the gradients are supposed to be printed on large presses [08:36] not simple plotters [08:37] Complex lines seem to go borked, but simple lines like a circle with gradient also have problems [08:37] that is why I just exported a png at 1200 dpi and then used gimp [08:37] at first I was going to import the svg into freehand [08:38] that is when I found the problem [08:38] I guess the standards are not yet there to support seemless interchange [08:38] but once svg is stable, it will make an excellent interchange format [08:39] hey I must go. gotto take daughters to school and then I have a meeting, new customer :-) [08:39] wow [08:39] ok [08:39] will commit my posters later [08:39] the money pot just keeps on pouring [08:39] hard work though [08:39] its always like that [08:40] nothing ventured nothing gained [08:40] heh [08:40] gotto keep the work rolling for all these writers I am now employing [08:40] oh well, gotto make jobs for the unemployed === jsgotangco waves at froud [08:40] bye === froud is now known as froud-away === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:26] gyahhh CC meeting is 6am [11:27] heh [11:27] oh well [11:27] when is the CC meeting? [11:27] 22:00 UTC May 24 [11:27] 3pm for me [11:27] curse you heh [11:38] midnight for me :S [11:39] can't please everyone [11:50] morning all [11:51] salut === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:55] hi jsgotangco [11:56] hey [11:57] mdke, hows it going? [11:57] fine thanks, you? [11:57] not bad [11:57] (its raining outside though and i want to go home) [11:58] hmm [11:58] whats on your mind [11:59] not much at all [11:59] i just got up [11:59] i'm thinking about all the work i have to do today :( [11:59] what kind of work, student work or work work to make a living [11:59] student work [11:59] (student work isn't so bad) [11:59] perhaps "work" was the wrong word ;) [12:00] id probably go back to school too if i had time [12:01] i'm sick of it now [12:01] (if i was taking law id be sick of it too) [12:01] *laughs* [12:01] i almost took up law 6 years ago [12:03] didnt like it? [12:04] my first job was in a law firm [12:04] it did liason work [12:04] pretty sleazy stuff, we were in real estate [12:05] *grins* [12:05] sleazy lawyers ;) [12:06] yeah we had to bring lots of gifts to court people during christmas [12:08] it would be nice if GNOME Clock would say what timezone it is using (such as printing out UTC) [12:08] yes [12:09] yeah [12:09] i look at my clock and it says 10:09 but outside i see stars [12:09] heh [12:09] system -> admin -> time and date ;) [12:10] no i meant having UTC explicitly indicated in the display [12:10] heh [12:24] ok im out see you in the CC meetikng later [12:24] bye [12:25] bye === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud-away is now known as froud === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === CarlK [~ck2@c-67-163-11-11.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:45] Morning === CarlK [~ck2@c-67-163-11-11.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:58] morning Kinnison [05:06] burgey. [05:29] Fresh from oven... [05:29] Unofficial Ubuntu 5.04 Add-On CD [05:29] Applications Snapshots: 23rd May 2005 [05:29] http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd/ [05:29] Packages List: http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd/add-on-cd-2005-05-23 [08:09] jiyuu0, ooh what is ubuntu.xpm.gz like? [08:09] you got a url/screenshot ? === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:15] found it [08:18] afternoon [08:24] hey dudes [08:24] anyone had problems configuring wlan [08:28] froud, yes sometimes [08:28] I have card initialized [08:28] so i c it with iwconfig [08:29] when I down eth0 which is LAN [08:29] I can ping my gateway [08:29] via eth1 (which is wlan) [08:29] ok [08:29] but I cannot seem to get http working [08:29] are you getting the ip via dhcp? [08:30] in /etc/network/interfaces [08:30] no static [08:30] have you set up the nameservers? [08:30] can you ping 216.239.57.99 ? [08:31] yes /etc/resolov.conf has three [08:31] yes /etc/resolv.conf has three [08:31] no I cant ping past my gateway [08:31] how odd [08:32] but in /etc/networ/interfaces [08:32] have you tried taking your eth0 down before taking eth1 up? [08:32] but in /etc/networt/interfaces [08:32] I see that eth1 only has address and netmask defined [08:32] yes eth0 was down [08:33] hmm [08:33] shouldn't each iface have 'address' 'netmask' 'network' 'broadcast' values [08:34] lemme check [08:34] i just have address, netmask, gateway, wireless-essid [08:35] in interfaces? [08:35] yeah [08:35] ok lemme try add it with vi [08:37] ok that works [08:37] seems there is a bug in knetworkconf_module [08:37] what was missing? [08:37] must speak to kubuntu-devel thanks [08:37] when the wlan card is defined in interfaces [08:38] it is missing everything except [08:38] address and network values [08:38] hmm [08:38] yeah, Hmm [08:38] ;) [08:38] Be BaCk LaTeR [08:38] TV [08:38] ok lemme speak to the devels at Kubuntu === zulu [~sean@ndn-165-128-37.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:01] I have to go looking for a job soon [09:01] as my money is running low === zulu is now known as venda [09:06] that stinks burgundavia, good luck [09:07] yes [09:07] I have been very happily unemployed for almost 3 months now === venda is now known as zulu [09:07] wish i had the ability to stay unemployed for three months [09:08] I got a 3k CAD paycheck just before I left [09:08] my lastjob [09:08] been leaving off that [09:08] how can I test who already registered a nick [09:08] sorry can't help you o that one zulu [09:08] no idea, you want to ask in a the freenod staff channel [09:09] dudes zulu is froud on his lappy sitting in lounge connected via wlan:-) [09:09] oh well just hav eto use my other nick === zulu is now known as venda [09:12] Burgundavia: why dont you start your own business [09:12] it beats working for somebody else [09:14] nah, too much work [09:14] I want to work for someone else 2-3 days a week [09:14] and do Ubuntu/dev stuff the other 3-4 [09:15] why not start a software development company [09:15] gah [09:16] no really, do custom development [09:16] you can work from home === maskie [~marius@196-30-108-143.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [~troy@adsl-68-91-192-213.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.94.83.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [~troy@adsl-68-91-192-213.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:29] nite chaps [10:30] night [10:30] c you in the morning === venda [~sean@ndn-165-128-37.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === judax [~troy@adsl-68-91-192-213.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === judax [~troywill1@adsl-68-91-192-213.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === maskie [~marius@196-30-108-143.uudial.uunet.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === judax [~troywill1@adsl-68-91-192-213.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === judax [~troywill1@adsl-68-91-192-213.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [~troywill1@adsl-68-91-192-213.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-128-37.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [~troywill1@adsl-68-91-192-213.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc