[03:57] <jsgotangco> hello
[03:57] <Burgundavia> salut
[03:59] <jsgotangco> wow templates!
[03:59] <jsgotangco> (at last)
[04:05] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, do you know how to apply a diff patch?
[04:08] <Burgundavia> hmm, no idea
[04:08] <Burgundavia> someone else will pick it up
[04:09] <jsgotangco> well i want to pick it up
[04:09] <jsgotangco> (to learn)
[04:09] <Burgundavia> ask froud
[04:09] <Burgundavia> or jeffsch
[04:09] <Burgundavia> I have mostly been doing UI stuff recently
[04:12] <jsgotangco> ahh svn merge
[07:42] <_froud_> jsgotangco: why do you send a diff, why not just do the commit yourself?
[07:42] <jsgotangco> i did not send the diff
[07:42] <jsgotangco> :P
[07:42] <froud> ooops
[07:42] <jsgotangco> jjesse did
[07:42] <jsgotangco> i dont know how to patch
[07:42] <jsgotangco> thats why i havent committed it
[07:43] <froud> ok, you want to try it
[07:43] <jsgotangco> i do
[07:43] <jsgotangco> is that merge in esvn?
[07:43] <froud> no no
[07:43] <froud> lemme check the patch first gimme a sec
[07:44] <froud> ok save the diff file in to the kwick guide folder
[07:45] <jsgotangco> ok
[07:46] <froud> then do patch -p0 kquickguide.xml kquickguide.diff
[07:47] <jsgotangco> well ok thats only a patch command i was thinking esvn
[07:47] <froud> :-) esvn does not have atool for that
[07:48] <froud> it's good not that good
[07:48] <jsgotangco> ahh so patch is still just plain patch
[07:48] <froud> yeah
[07:48] <froud> I can speak to the devels at eSvn and ask them for a util to apply a patch
[07:48] <jsgotangco> how will you know if the patch is no good?
[07:48] <froud> you should check it
[07:49] <froud> then apply it
[07:49] <froud> if you are happy you just apply it. otherwise apply it and then fix 
[07:49] <froud> remember you can always see the diff since you can do a quick diff
[07:50] <jsgotangco> o right
[07:50] <froud> most time I commit the patch so that it is recorded
[07:50] <froud> then I fix and submit another patch
[07:50] <froud> unless of course the patch has too many mistakes
[07:51] <jsgotangco> well the patch in this case is pretty trivial i dunno why he sent it hehe but then its a contribution
[07:51] <froud> but if they are small ones and the patch as a whole is good, then it does not hurt
[07:51] <froud> every patch is important
[07:51] <froud> no matter how small :-)
[07:52] <jsgotangco> ill take your word for it
[07:52] <froud> sure, as you say, "its a contribution"
[07:52] <froud> I like to call them gifts
[07:56] <froud> nice one
[07:56] <froud> now send a message to the list saying you have applied it, not everyone is on the commit list
[07:56] <jsgotangco> oh right
[07:56] <jsgotangco> thank you o mentor
[07:57] <froud> btw. kwickguide is looking good dude thanks for that
[07:58] <jsgotangco> oh i could have been done with it if not for this oracle project
[07:58] <froud> that's the way it goes. How's is the oracle ting doing
[08:00] <jsgotangco> well im trying out a new methodology called Rapid Start for E-Business Suite
[08:00] <froud> on 10g
[08:00] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:00] <froud> wow'
[08:00] <froud> I saw guys form oracle install and fine tune 10g in 18 minutes
[08:00] <jsgotangco> but im thinking of convincing the developers to testing it in Ubuntu instead of forcing clients to use old Red Hat 9
[08:01] <froud> can they install on a deb based system?
[08:01] <jsgotangco> well i can do that as a project
[08:01] <jsgotangco> (you never know)
[08:01] <jsgotangco> but then
[08:01] <jsgotangco> oracle's a big company
[08:02] <jsgotangco> (but its a good opportunity perhaps)
[08:02] <froud> sure
[08:03] <froud> So now you need screencaptures for quickguide, right?
[08:03] <jsgotangco> yeah ill cover it probably this weekend
[08:03] <froud> if you want help on it, send a message to the list
[08:03] <froud> do some adertising
[08:04] <jsgotangco> what's incoming for?
[08:04] <froud> oh, that's for the stuff that will come from wiki into svn
[08:04] <froud> before we know where or what to do with it
[08:04] <froud> we will put it there
[08:04] <jsgotangco> i saw some of your committed stuff had biblio tags already
[08:05] <froud> which the install guide?
[08:05] <jsgotangco> i think so
[08:05] <froud> yeah it also have glossterms
[08:05] <jsgotangco> i think i need to make a progress chart for some docs i adopted
[08:05] <jsgotangco> my day is getting messier lately
[08:05] <froud> but to use it you need to install computerdictionary-xx.deb
[08:06] <jsgotangco> does Ubuntu have a marketing team?
[08:06] <jsgotangco> (community based)
[08:07] <froud> not really community based
[08:07] <jsgotangco> well yeah, silbs for example
[08:07] <froud> some people at Canonical like mako do this stuff
[08:07] <jsgotangco> hmm
[08:07] <froud> yes and jane
[08:07] <jsgotangco> because i was looking at the OOo site
[08:07] <jsgotangco> their marketing team (community and sun) is huge
[08:08] <froud> yes
[08:09] <jsgotangco> (its because of this todo thing i have regarding flyer for ubuntu conferences)
[08:09] <jsgotangco> (we're not supposed to do flyers)
[08:09] <froud> oh really, why?
[08:11] <jsgotangco> well it means we still have to think of bling bling stuff to write about at the same time create the flyer
[08:11] <jsgotangco> (not that its hard to do)
[08:11] <jsgotangco> (but then OOo marketing stuff was createdby community so..)
[08:12] <froud> Well there should be no real reason why people in the community can't do marketing stuff
[08:12] <jsgotangco> yeah maybe i should propose one
[08:12] <froud> sometimes people forget that this is not about mark or canonical, its about what the community wants to do
[08:13] <froud> if the above mentioned want to succeed then they must embrace what they community wants
[08:13] <froud> so far they are doing a fair job
[08:13] <froud> not easy, when you consider the millions of ideas and thoughts
[08:14] <jsgotangco> true and we're just a drop in the OS space at the moment
[08:14] <jsgotangco> (collabnet sure does look sweet on the ooo site though)
[08:14] <froud> but if you have ideas for marketing I am certain silbs will be interested
[08:14] <froud> I have an ubuntu poster that I can contribute
[08:14] <jsgotangco> can i take a look?
[08:15] <froud> Big file
[08:15] <froud> I will commit an inkscape version sometime today
[08:15] <froud> I need to port it from freehand
[08:16] <jsgotangco> ahhh ok
[08:16] <froud> Ok I also have the basics for a Kubuntu poster
[08:16] <jsgotangco> you did it yourself?
[08:16] <froud> Yes
[08:17] <froud> The posters are sized 60cm X 90 cm
[08:17] <jsgotangco> im doing something in inkscape in A4 but its quite empty yet
[08:17] <froud> create a folder in trunk called artwork
[08:17] <froud> lets commit our ideas to there
[08:17] <jsgotangco> good idea
[08:18] <froud> you know how to create directories and do recursive add right?
[08:18] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:18] <froud> OK, the problem with inkscape is that it does not do a good export
[08:19] <jsgotangco> hmm
[08:19] <jsgotangco> wait
[08:19] <jsgotangco> you're telling me that we're exporting inkscape to xml
[08:19] <jsgotangco> not native inkscape
[08:19] <froud> so the method I use is to export the image at 600 dpi
[08:19] <Burgundavia> svg is already xml
[08:19] <froud> non o
[08:19] <Burgundavia> once you have the svg, you can do what you wish with it
[08:19] <froud> OK from svg you need a format for printing
[08:19] <jsgotangco> i know its xml i though we're exporting it to another format
[08:20] <froud> so i export to png at 600 dpi
[08:20] <froud> then open gimp
[08:20] <froud> flatten the image
[08:20] <froud> save
[08:20] <froud> many printers can't use png files
[08:21] <froud> so I use gimp to export to tiff and jpeg
[08:21] <froud> give the printer all three file
[08:21] <froud> I recently printed some posters on a 1200 dpi plaotter
[08:21] <froud> plotter
[08:22] <froud> the file was at 1200 dpi
[08:22] <jsgotangco> you do have some neat toys
[08:22] <froud> the images are great, cystal sharp
[08:22] <froud> its my job to have these toys
[08:22] <froud> do what you love, love what you do
[08:22] <jsgotangco> (ok i forgot you are in the documentation business)
[08:23] <froud> all the images on my web site are made in inkscape
[08:23] <froud> I was speaking lats wee with the editor of tectronic the FOSS magazine here in CO.ZA
[08:24] <froud> They are really looking to use a FOSS tool chain to do their magazine
[08:24] <froud> but the tool chain is not up to it just yet
[08:24] <froud> so they have to use closed source apps
[08:24] <froud> doing postscript on Linux is a bitch
[08:25] <froud> its then that you wish you were using Mac OSX
[08:26] <froud> if you go to print, make sure that your printer can open large files
[08:26] <froud> at 1200 dpi a poster 90 x 60 cm was 3GB
[08:27] <jsgotangco> jeez
[08:27] <froud> yeah, obviously it is smaller with 600dpi
[08:27] <froud> but you need to watch out
[08:28] <froud> lower dpi results in blurred edges on curves
[08:28] <froud> 600 should be enough
[08:28] <froud> if not up to 1200
[08:28] <jsgotangco> but is it possible to change that in inkscape in the middle of work?
[08:28] <froud> yes, it scales well b'cause it is svg
[08:29] <froud> you can start work at A4 and scale later
[08:29] <jsgotangco> yes that would be nice
[08:29] <froud> remember toleave some bleed on the page
[08:29] <froud> for example
[08:29] <froud> ifyou what full color on the page, no white border
[08:30] <froud> make the background larger than the page size
[08:30] <froud> they will print in oversized A3 paper and cut it to A3
[08:30] <froud> same with other sizes
[08:30] <jsgotangco> yes yes, i've seen some raw prints and they overlapt
[08:31] <froud> yes, so long as you have bleed you will have a full color background
[08:31] <froud> of course if you print on a plotter you will have no choice but to accept a white border about 3cm all around
[08:32] <froud> but that's ok the poster still looks coll
[08:32] <froud> cool
[08:33] <jsgotangco> plotters rely on cmyk as well right?
[08:33] <froud> yes, but png is rgb
[08:34] <froud> I used rbg, the result was not exactly the color tones I wanted, but it was close enough
[08:34] <froud> btw for the most part the svg is easily imported to freehand and illustrator
[08:35] <froud> on complex images some lines come in all borked
[08:35] <froud> but simple lines work well
[08:35] <froud> the problem seemed to be with gradients
[08:36] <froud> if you use gradients make sure you also get a high dpi, otherwise some printers give you big steps
[08:36] <jsgotangco> i dont get it what did gradients have to do with complex lines
[08:36] <jsgotangco> the gradients are supposed to be printed on large presses
[08:36] <jsgotangco> not simple plotters
[08:37] <froud> Complex lines seem to go borked, but simple lines like a circle with gradient also have problems
[08:37] <froud> that is why I just exported a png at 1200 dpi and then used gimp
[08:37] <froud> at first I was going to import the svg into freehand
[08:38] <froud> that is when I found the problem
[08:38] <froud> I guess the standards are not yet there to support seemless interchange
[08:38] <froud> but once svg is stable, it will make an excellent interchange format
[08:39] <froud> hey I must go. gotto take daughters to school and then I have a meeting, new customer :-)
[08:39] <jsgotangco> wow
[08:39] <jsgotangco> ok
[08:39] <froud> will commit my posters later
[08:39] <jsgotangco> the money pot just keeps on pouring
[08:39] <froud> hard work though
[08:39] <jsgotangco> its always like that
[08:40] <jsgotangco> nothing ventured nothing gained
[08:40] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:40] <froud> gotto keep the work rolling for all these writers I am now employing
[08:40] <froud> oh well, gotto make jobs for the unemployed
[08:40] <froud> bye
[11:26] <jsgotangco> gyahhh CC meeting is 6am
[11:27] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:27] <jsgotangco> oh well
[11:27] <Burgundavia> when is the CC meeting?
[11:27] <jsgotangco> 22:00 UTC May 24
[11:27] <Burgundavia> 3pm for me
[11:27] <jsgotangco> curse you heh
[11:38] <Seveas> midnight for me :S
[11:39] <Burgundavia> can't please everyone
[11:50] <mdke> morning all
[11:51] <Burgundavia> salut
[11:55] <mdke> hi jsgotangco 
[11:56] <jsgotangco> hey
[11:57] <jsgotangco> mdke, hows it going?
[11:57] <mdke> fine thanks, you?
[11:57] <jsgotangco> not bad
[11:57] <jsgotangco> (its raining outside though and i want to go home)
[11:58] <mdke> hmm
[11:58] <jsgotangco> whats on your mind
[11:59] <mdke> not much at all
[11:59] <mdke> i just got up
[11:59] <mdke> i'm thinking about all the work i have to do today :(
[11:59] <jsgotangco> what kind of work, student work or work work to make a living
[11:59] <mdke> student work
[11:59] <jsgotangco> (student work isn't so bad)
[11:59] <mdke> perhaps "work" was the wrong word ;)
[12:00] <jsgotangco> id probably go back to school too if i had time
[12:01] <mdke> i'm sick of it now
[12:01] <jsgotangco> (if i was taking law id be sick of it too)
[12:01] <mdke> *laughs*
[12:01] <jsgotangco> i almost took up law 6 years ago
[12:03] <mdke> didnt like it?
[12:04] <jsgotangco> my first job was in a law firm
[12:04] <jsgotangco> it did liason work
[12:04] <jsgotangco> pretty sleazy stuff, we were in real estate
[12:05] <mdke> *grins*
[12:05] <mdke> sleazy lawyers ;)
[12:06] <jsgotangco> yeah we had to bring lots of gifts to court people during christmas
[12:08] <jsgotangco> it would be nice if GNOME Clock would say what timezone it is using (such as printing out UTC)
[12:08] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:09] <mdke> yeah
[12:09] <jsgotangco> i look at my clock and it says 10:09 but outside i see stars
[12:09] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:09] <mdke> system -> admin -> time and date ;)
[12:10] <jsgotangco> no i meant having UTC explicitly indicated in the display
[12:10] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:24] <jsgotangco> ok im  out see you in the CC meetikng later
[12:24] <jsgotangco> bye
[12:25] <mdke> bye
[04:45] <Kinnison> Morning
[04:58] <Burgundavia> morning Kinnison 
[05:06] <Kinnison> burgey.
[05:29] <jiyuu0> Fresh from oven...
[05:29] <jiyuu0> Unofficial Ubuntu 5.04 Add-On CD
[05:29] <jiyuu0> Applications Snapshots: 23rd May 2005
[05:29] <jiyuu0> http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd/
[05:29] <jiyuu0> Packages List: http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd/add-on-cd-2005-05-23
[08:09] <mdke> jiyuu0, ooh what is ubuntu.xpm.gz like?
[08:09] <mdke> you got a url/screenshot ?
[08:15] <mdke> found it
[08:18] <jjesse> afternoon
[08:24] <froud> hey dudes
[08:24] <froud> anyone had problems configuring wlan
[08:28] <mdke> froud, yes sometimes
[08:28] <froud> I have card initialized
[08:28] <froud> so i c it with iwconfig
[08:29] <froud> when I down eth0 which is LAN
[08:29] <froud> I can ping my gateway
[08:29] <froud> via eth1 (which is wlan)
[08:29] <mdke> ok
[08:29] <froud> but I cannot seem to get http working
[08:29] <mdke> are you getting the ip via dhcp?
[08:30] <froud> in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:30] <froud> no static
[08:30] <mdke> have you set up the nameservers?
[08:30] <mdke> can you ping 216.239.57.99 ?
[08:31] <froud> yes /etc/resolov.conf has three
[08:31] <froud> yes /etc/resolv.conf has three
[08:31] <froud> no I cant ping past my gateway
[08:31] <mdke> how odd
[08:32] <froud> but in /etc/networ/interfaces
[08:32] <mdke> have you tried taking your eth0 down before taking eth1 up?
[08:32] <froud> but in /etc/networt/interfaces
[08:32] <froud> I see that eth1 only has address and netmask defined
[08:32] <froud> yes eth0 was down
[08:33] <mdke> hmm
[08:33] <froud> shouldn't each iface have 'address' 'netmask' 'network' 'broadcast' values
[08:34] <mdke> lemme check
[08:34] <mdke> i just have address, netmask, gateway, wireless-essid
[08:35] <froud> in interfaces?
[08:35] <mdke> yeah
[08:35] <froud> ok lemme try add it with vi
[08:37] <froud> ok that works
[08:37] <froud> seems there is a bug in knetworkconf_module
[08:37] <mdke> what was missing?
[08:37] <froud> must speak to kubuntu-devel thanks
[08:37] <froud> when the wlan card is defined in interfaces
[08:38] <froud> it is missing everything except
[08:38] <froud> address and network values
[08:38] <mdke> hmm
[08:38] <froud> yeah, Hmm
[08:38] <mdke> ;)
[08:38] <mdke> Be BaCk LaTeR
[08:38] <mdke> TV
[08:38] <froud> ok lemme speak to the devels at Kubuntu
[09:01] <Burgundavia> I have to go looking for a job soon
[09:01] <Burgundavia> as my money is running low
[09:06] <jjesse> that stinks burgundavia, good luck
[09:07] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:07] <Burgundavia> I have been very happily unemployed for almost 3 months now
[09:07] <jjesse> wish i had the ability to stay unemployed for three months
[09:08] <Burgundavia> I got a 3k CAD paycheck just before I left
[09:08] <Burgundavia> my lastjob
[09:08] <Burgundavia> been leaving off that
[09:08] <zulu> how can I test who already registered a nick
[09:08] <jjesse> sorry can't help you o that one zulu
[09:08] <Burgundavia> no idea, you want to ask in a the freenod staff channel
[09:09] <zulu> dudes zulu is froud on his lappy sitting in lounge connected via wlan:-)
[09:09] <zulu> oh well just hav eto use my other nick
[09:12] <venda> Burgundavia: why dont you start your own business
[09:12] <venda> it beats working for somebody else
[09:14] <Burgundavia> nah, too much work
[09:14] <Burgundavia> I want to work for someone else 2-3 days a week
[09:14] <Burgundavia> and do Ubuntu/dev stuff the other 3-4
[09:15] <venda> why not start a software development company
[09:15] <Burgundavia> gah
[09:16] <venda> no really, do custom development
[09:16] <venda> you can work from home
[10:29] <venda> nite chaps
[10:30] <Kinnison> night
[10:30] <venda> c you in the morning