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[08:09] 18:09 [08:10] meeting is in ~2 hours [08:10] tech meeting [08:11] i'm waiting for the community council :) [08:11] titus`, thats in 4 hours [08:11] so 4 hours, thank you === Dilago [~Dilago@200.128.80.254] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:11] titus`, for future use: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ [08:12] ok, bookmarked [08:13] titus` or you could open a terminal and go date --utc [08:14] better :) === dholbach [~daniel@td9091d99.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mdz [~mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === thom [~thom@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:33] please, someone, put date -u in the topic :) [08:33] people asking won't read it [08:33] but we can try ;) === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:mdke] : Tue 24 May 20:00 UTC: Tech Board -- review http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaintainerCandidates || Tue 24 May 22:00 UTC Community Council -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || This is NOT #ubuntu, nor #ubuntu-devel || Find out UTC time with the command "date --utc" [08:47] did anybody email -users and -devel about the meeting being moved back 2 hrs? [08:47] hm? [08:47] first one will be a TB catch up meeting [08:47] the CC meetin, was it not originally at 24h [08:48] no 22 utc [08:48] oh [08:48] i directly edited the calendar [08:48] that is odd [08:48] when? [08:48] after the last one :-) [08:49] oh, ok, as long as it was not today [08:49] my mind playing funny tricks === dholbach hands Burgundavia a cup of tea === Burgundavia has been up since UTC 14:00 yesterday === tseng|work [~ccc27a01@sls-eb20p9.dca2.superb.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:52] wow [08:53] wow! [08:54] wow ? [09:00] just a regular day for you Burgundavia [09:00] yep [09:01] hi guys [09:01] it's +1 to the meeting? or is that +3? [09:01] +1 to tech meeting [09:01] +3 to CC [09:01] /topic [09:01] oh, thanks mdke :) [09:01] mdke: yup I just rised my head from a pillow :) === \sh [~shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tseng|work is now known as joebob2 === joebob2 is now known as tseng|work === maskie [~marius@196-30-108-143.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fabbione [~fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === fabbione [~fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JaneW [~JaneW@wbs-146-152-96.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:49] hey JaneW [09:49] hi zul [09:49] hi zul, jane [09:49] hey tseng|work [09:49] hi tseng|work [09:50] <\sh> good evening :) [09:52] evening JaneW === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JaneW waves at lamont [09:52] lo \sh [09:52] hellas mvo [09:53] hey dholbach [09:53] hey JaneW, lamont, zul, tseng|work, \sh :-) === \sh waves to JaneW :) [09:53] <\sh> huhu dholbach :) [09:53] \sh btw are you South African? (originally) [09:54] hehe [09:54] <\sh> JaneW: no :) [09:54] lol [09:54] \sh, I asked because of the bilton thing [09:54] JaneW, he'd love to [09:54] ;) [09:54] hey dholbach [09:54] <\sh> JaneW: but my ex-wife comes from P.M. [09:54] heh...i lived in africa for 8 years [09:54] oic! === dieman [~dieman@3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:55] <\sh> JaneW: and when I was visiting ZA I became addicted to biltong :) and chili cheese burgers from coconut grove@durban beach front :) [09:55] \hehe [09:55] Kamion: you around? [09:55] your name *could* be SA too [09:55] JaneW: that's because of all the German and Dutch influence [09:55] <\sh> JaneW: yeah I know :) I saw also some german city names there :) [09:55] <\sh> JaneW: where u coming from? === willis [~willis@82.110.178.137] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:56] OK, I'll spy on you gus because I have nothing better to do untill CC will start :-) [09:56] \sh you mean like Heidelberg!? *LOL* [09:56] <\sh> JaneW: right :) === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === camilotelles [~Camilo@200.128.80.254] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:57] haha... heidelberg :-) [09:57] hey jeff [09:57] Heya Chuck === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-31-82.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:57] <\sh> JaneW: btw...there is a guy from .fi he wants to get this biltong connection working too :) === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0403.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:58] <\sh> dholbach: it was funny to see this city name on a highway in ZA... [09:58] hi [09:58] hi all [09:58] <\sh> hey doko === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.94.83.214] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:58] \sh: you thought you took the wrong crossing, hm? :-) [09:58] dholbach: don't laugh we actually have 2 towns called Heidelberg in SA! [09:59] <\sh> dholbach: hey...I was sitting in a car with 4 ZA indians on the way to joburg [09:59] JaneW: i dont :-) [09:59] Moin [09:59] meeting time. [09:59] hi pitti! === Treenaks hands tseng|work ntpdate [09:59] 15 second by ntp. [09:59] \sh: yes biltong is a good SA export, of course you'd get locked up trying to take any to a place like australia ;) [10:00] welcome, everyone [10:00] let's begin [10:00] <\sh> dholbach: just in front of the city frontiers the locale police of joburg had a test of new recruiters...they were quite surprised, a paleface sitting with 4 indians in a car [10:00] Keybuk notified me that he may be ~10 minutes late === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:00] so we'll need to wait for him in order to process maintainer candidates [10:00] but if there is any other business, we can discuss it while we wait [10:00] <\sh> JaneW: it's not even allowed here in germany :( but when you enter germany via terminal 2 from heathrow u have luck and no customs is controlling (if you're european) [10:01] mdz: Maintainer or MemberCandidates? [10:01] <\sh> ok [10:01] Treenaks: both [10:01] mdz: can we hot-add postgresql to the agenda? [10:01] Treenaks: members are in CC meeting [10:01] pitti: sure, what's the issue? [10:01] ah ok [10:01] mdz: and TB meeting time rotation please [10:01] mdz: the current breezy packages are still the "old" architecture, I'd like to put in the new architecture as in Debian experimental [10:01] maybe mention that the CC meeting follows at 22:00 UTC? [10:01] dholbach: oh wait.. *wrong agenda* [10:02] mdz: I won't support the current packages for Sarge+1 anyway, so Breezy would be the first distro with 8.0 and the multicluster architecture [10:02] pitti: are you confident that the packages can be stabilized by featurefreeze? [10:02] pitti: hold on! let's finish one of the three things we started ... === blahrus [uvxt@12-223-50-121.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:02] doko, why ? its more fun.... [10:02] mdz: yes, I hack a lot of them during my free time and they have almost all of the features of the current packages [10:02] doko: ? [10:02] pitti: are there upgrade issues to consider? [10:03] mdz: there is a transition package to postgresql-7.4, and a pg_upgradecluster script to transition to 8.0 === Dilago [~Dilago@200.128.80.254] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pablof [~kurumin@200.128.80.254] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:03] mdz: a mere dist-upgrade will settle everything for you === craigaa [~craigaa@nngy-165-164-162.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:03] pitti: a working upgrade script?! === surak [~kurumin@200.128.80.254] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:03] pitti: how many packages have to be changed? let's wait one or two weeks until xorg and C++ ABI are in a usable state [10:03] pitti: so postgresql_7.4.5 will be superseded by postgresql_8.0? [10:03] mdz: actually by postgresql-7.4 [10:04] mdz: -8.0 can be installed in parallel [10:04] doko: the question is whether we will do it for breezy [10:04] mdz: the biggest piece of work is the libpq3 -> libpq4 transition [10:04] pitti: ok, so a dist-upgrade does not upgrade you to 8.0 [10:04] ok === vincent_ [~vincent@abo-185-85-69.ang.modulonet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:04] doko, i thought main was done already [10:04] mdz: no, the purpose of the new arch was to explicitly avoid database upgrades during package upgrades [10:04] mdz: that only led to trouble [10:04] doko, CXX that it... [10:04] pitti: and you do not mind supporting both 7.4 and 8.0 in a stable release? [10:05] mdz: since I will do it anyway for Sarge+1, and upstream is very nice, I don't mind [10:05] pitti: ok, I have no problem then [10:05] mdz: for bigger vendors like ISPs it is nice to be able to offer several versions and multiple clustes, so I'd like to keep 7.4 around === astharot- [~isager@host25-161.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:06] mdz: it would require to minimally-change ~20 packages for libpq4 [10:06] pitti: we need to talk about pgsql 8.0 [10:06] but at a later stage [10:06] hi [10:06] pitti: please don't start now, but in June first [10:06] doko: that's fine for me [10:06] mdz: the point is, the current packages are a PITA to maintain and a PITA for upgrading users [10:06] pitti: thanks === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:06] ok, fabbione: meeting times? [10:06] mdz: I don't want to support it longer than necessary [10:07] mdz: yes. we need to rotate the meeting time to get other people too [10:07] mdz: it was proposed and approved but never really took place [10:07] doko: I'm not in a hurry, June will be more than fine [10:08] I second that [10:08] fabbione: what do you suggest? [10:08] mdz: mako suggested something like 20:00 UTC and 10:00 UTC? [10:08] mdz: or something along that line [10:08] sounds good [10:08] works for me [10:08] mdz: my original suggestion was different [10:08] fabbione: it is necessary that I be awake during the meeting [10:08] ogra: yeah, nice for Europe [10:08] but apparently nobody liked it [10:08] yep [10:09] 1000 UTC is 0300 for me [10:09] <\sh> yes...directly in my lunch pause :) === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [10:09] mdz: the point is whatever rotation we do, somebody needs to be awake [10:09] mdz: and uk didn't like the original proposal [10:09] how bad is 6:00UTC? === Keybuk [~scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:09] it would be nice not to have a 20:00 UTC meeting in end of June [10:09] JaneW, yes! [10:09] Hi Keybuk [10:09] 11pm our time, JaneW [10:09] are people in the states still up then? [10:09] Keybuk: we briefly discussed postgresql 8.0, and are now talking about meeting scheduling [10:10] Keybuk: (while waiting for you so that we can process maintainers) [10:10] JaneW, by our, I mean mdz and myself [10:10] did you get my text? [10:10] JaneW: I'm often awake then, but it means the meeting will have to be strictly time-limited so that I get to sleep at a reasonable hour [10:10] Keybuk: yes [10:10] Burgundavia: ok, and the Canadians etc too of course [10:10] <\sh> siretat will join the meeting between 20:30 and 20:45 utc he has a schedule [10:10] Keybuk: you beat your estimate by 20 seconds [10:11] what meeting times are we considering? [10:11] JaneW, that is terrible time for east coast people/brazial people [10:11] given this current time already seems to be impossible for sabdfl to make [10:11] mdz: it;s 10:11pm now, and the CC meeting is 12am my time :P [10:11] Keybuk: fabbione proposed 1000 UTC, but that's firmly in sleep territory for me [10:11] Keybuk: 06:00 UTC and 20:00 UTC [10:11] in rotation [10:11] so that we can alternate [10:12] 6 utc is too early for me to function properly (or indeed, make, usually) [10:12] JaneW: yes, but I have to be lucid for TB meetings :-) [10:12] what about 18:00 UTC? [10:12] 1800 UTC is no problem for me === Dilago [~Dilago@200.128.80.254] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [10:12] well clearly in rotation somebody needs to sacrify a bit [10:13] I could do 1800 UTC, but 1900 would be better [10:13] is this ok for jbailey, or earlier? we did start with 16:00 UTC [10:13] but that would give other continets the possibility to partecipate as well === Dilago [~Dilago@200.128.80.254] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:13] basically 1700-0500 can be made to work for me [10:13] doko: Yup. [10:13] fabbione: the problem with the TB meeting is that we've such as small Q, for even one of us to be unable to make it or insufficiently lucid, defaults the point [10:13] unlike the CC members, who are ten a penny :p [10:13] ok, how many Australians are there? [10:13] mdz: well, 0500 is still almost night, but doable [10:13] doko: Pretty much any night time that is good for Europe is going to be good for north america, and any morning that's good for mdz will be good for those of us east of him. =) [10:13] Keybuk: well that's an issue that can be addressed expanding the TB [10:14] Now here's an idea: let everybody write down his/her doable time and send it to JaneW, she can pick a time that's reasonable for all [10:14] JaneW, none [10:14] Keybuk: as it is now we are cutting away a good portion of the community [10:14] Seveas: good idea [10:14] and i don't find it sensible at all [10:14] howeveer I will have to make some 'executive decisions' I am sure ;) [10:14] Keybuk: huh? [10:14] we also have to consider people from e. g. Asia [10:14] last I checked the CC and TB had a similar number of members [10:14] I thought CC had 5 ? [10:15] Seveas: I suggest same thing to Mako about CC ;) [10:15] does sabdfl need/want to be at these meetings? [10:15] if yes, what times is HE available? [10:15] JaneW: he has a vote, he should be [10:15] JaneW: he's on CC from time to time [10:15] sabdfl wants to be on CC generally afaik [10:15] Keybuk: 4 [10:15] Keybuk: The Community Council is constituted as follows: Benjamin Hill, Mark Shuttleworth, Colin Watson, and James Troup [10:16] yeah, just read that :) Somehow I thought lamont was on that too [10:16] so ignore me :p [10:16] JaneW: sabdfl and Keybuk are in the same time zone [10:16] physically anyway [10:16] yes, which is similar to mine [10:16] Keybuk: I show up and give my opinion from time to time... but am on neither board [10:16] i think we should pick some times that fit for the most, make the time frame a BIT bigger, so it will hurt a BIT, and then start rotating [10:17] I can give a 12-hour window, 1700-0500 UTC for the start of a meeting [10:17] can we try 6:00 and 20:00 and see how that goes? [10:17] for me, 1000-2359UTC [10:18] <\sh> i don't mind the times....when I know when the meeting starts i'm there...even during work hours or dream hours === Kamion arrives [10:18] or I may mean 0900-2300UTC, I'm not sure which way the math works :p [10:18] (sorry for lateness, etc.) [10:18] thanks \sh :) [10:18] JaneW: we can try 0600 next tiime, yes [10:18] \sh: same for me [10:18] works for Europe === chiefofthejojos [~bpitcher@216.70.250.130] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:18] yeps [10:18] mdz if it's poorly attended or doesn;t work for you etc, we can strap the idea? [10:18] JaneW: for me, anyway [10:18] JaneW: I think it's worse for Keybuk [10:18] and sabdfl [10:18] yeah, I almost certainly won't make a 0600UTC meeting [10:18] not entirely sure Mark will eitehr [10:19] but that would be like once every second week === Kamion definitely can't make 0600, and we tried UK evil-time for the CC and it failed miserably [10:19] it's 7am then isn;t it? [10:19] yeps [10:19] JaneW: yes, and 8 in summer [10:19] and if we rotated the time ever two weeks? === KaiL [KaiL@p548F54B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:19] so, what;s the problem? [10:19] pitti: for the UK it's 6am in winter and 7am in summer [10:19] there is more than one problem [10:19] JaneW: 7am UK in summer, 6am in winter [10:19] pitti: there is one hour difference between you and uk [10:19] sabdfl often can't make these meetings, regardless of the timing === JaneW generally starts work at 7:30 am, 8:00 on a bad day :P [10:20] Keybuk and I are 8 hours apart, so we're fairly restricted there already [10:20] I start after we've got the kid to school, which is 9am [10:20] JaneW: me too, but I have to get to the office so it's another ~0.5h === mgalvin [~mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:20] Kamion: that's why 15:00 - 18:00 UTC is not ideal for me (kids) === Nafallo likes Seveas idea more and more ;-) [10:21] I think the idea with the disc-shaped Earth a few centuries back was not at all that bad... [10:21] if we don't have sabdfl, then we need to accomodate both Keybuk and myself with regard to times [10:21] ok mdz, it;s obvious you just have to move ;) [10:21] pitti: unless you're not a sailor ;) [10:21] of course, as far as the TB goes, quoracy is more important, so it doesn't matter *too* much if (say) I can't make every meeting, but somebody should ask sabdfl [10:21] pitti: s/not// [10:21] JaneW: then people will just complain that we're scheduling against the US [10:21] pitti, oh, that changed ? [10:22] and excluding that bit of the community [10:22] if you guys want to try the next meeting without me, that's fine [10:22] but if only one member of the board can attend, not much will get done [10:22] we tried that last week ;) [10:22] er no, we tried that last week... [10:22] right [10:22] that's why we are back now ;) [10:23] mdz: can we do the idea of the "every CC member states his available times and we take the intersection"? [10:23] pitti, its TB here [10:23] pitti: empty set ;-) === Seveas repeats his idea in a different form: let all TB members and community enthousiasts write their time on some wiki page and a decision can be made later [10:23] pitti: that's how we got the current time [10:23] speaking of which, now that Kamion is here should we go back to point 1, since this argument will probably never be concluded... [10:23] pitti: the complaint is that while the board members can attend, many community members can't === Kamion can't find a point 1 in scrollback, so I hope we can recap [10:24] somehow there are 2 problems [10:24] JaneW: eh? [10:24] mdz: right, I know, but without board membery community folks can't be approved anyway [10:24] 1) time rotation [10:24] i think most guys will "prepare" themselves, if they know a date and time (whenever it is) [10:24] 2) TB is too small to cover 24hour community [10:24] both of them needs to be addressed imho [10:24] fabbione: ++ [10:24] er were we waiting on kamion for a maintainer candidate? [10:25] idea: every meeting is 6 hours later than the previous one [10:25] maybe I missed something [10:25] JaneW: I'm not a TB member; I don't get a vote there [10:25] a larger TB is not a good solution to a scheduling problem [10:25] pitti: that was what mako and I proposed for the CC [10:25] JaneW: we were waiting on Keybuk [10:25] then all folks should be able to attend at least 2/4 in a month [10:25] pitti: it didn't work [10:25] <\sh> question i have: do we need a TB meeting every 2nd week? [10:25] fabbione: ok :-( [10:25] JaneW, for maintainer candidates we're waiting for siretart [10:25] \sh: yes [10:25] \sh: yes, i think so [10:25] I think it's far more important that general community members be able to attend CC meetings than TB meetings [10:25] I think both mdz and I ignored the last attempt at rotation in the hope it'd go away :p [10:25] \sh, see the calendar [10:25] pitti: there are only 2 per month [10:25] pitti: mainly because nobody can deal with 1 bad wake up over 4 :( [10:26] 4 meetings... [10:26] (2 months) [10:26] <\sh> mdz: ok for really technical stuff ok..but what about the community tb stuff? this should go every 4 weeks, and when the wanna be TB members wants to be in, they have only one appointment [10:26] \sh: by the time people are coming up for maintainership approval, their contributions ought to be obvious even in absentia [10:26] fabbione has a point - i think it's not that bad [10:26] \sh: technical stuff -> TB, community stuff -> CC [10:27] \sh: if they aren't, they shouldn't be approved yet (he says making a wild generalisation) [10:27] <\sh> mdz: I was thinking about upload possibility for members [10:27] Kamion: for discussion, it's useful for the persons involved in a project/idea to be present [10:27] Kamion: sometimes a proxy works, but often not [10:27] re [10:27] <\sh> mdz: CC is something else [10:27] mdz, i think \sh meant MOTU approvals [10:27] hi folks, just arrived :) [10:27] <\sh> ogra: right [10:27] siretart, heya [10:27] \sh: that means waiting a full month just to get an answer for a candidate, and that is too long [10:27] <\sh> mdz: but then we can come to a conclusion for the times :) [10:28] \sh: I don't see how it helps [10:28] we have exactly the same scheduling problem, only less frequently === opi_r [~emil@195.69.82.35] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:28] <\sh> mdz: if there is only one meeting once a month for approval and that is, lets say, 6am UTC, so the people are there, because this is the only date for it.. === shaya [~spotter@dyn-wireless-246-211.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === shaya [~spotter@dyn-wireless-246-211.dyn.columbia.edu] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [10:29] hi siretart [10:29] what about fabbione's point? who can't cope with one "bad wake up" in 4 meetings? this, to me, seems to be the only solution to this [10:29] \sh: if you can make totally arbitrary times, you're a lucky man. Not everyone can. [10:29] hi JaneW, hello ogra [10:29] dholbach: I don't see how that solves the problem [10:30] dholbach: 4 meetings = 2 months [10:30] mdz: it shares the pain [10:30] mdz: as lamont said [10:30] yes, if we rotated times properly [10:30] and allows various timezones/continents to get involved, even if they only join in once every 2 months [10:30] dholbach: clearly some people can't cope with one "bad wake up" for the sole time they need TB for something ... otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion [10:30] mdz: basically of 4 meetings you get 2 of them during working hours, 1 a bit late in the eveining and only one as bad wake up [10:30] consider that you're applying for maintainership [10:30] mdz: and basically means that you can count on being totally useless for one day every 2 months. :) [10:31] <\sh> Kamion: well, when I have a schedule I can try to attend, if not, I can't [10:31] lamont: that's almost a booze - only missing beer [10:31] lamont: aren't you usually? *duck* [10:31] JaneW: nearly always, dear. :-) [10:31] \sh: even if people know in advance that really doesn't guarantee that other real life commitments that are more important than a volunteer project won't step in === hsprang [~henning@c129171.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === chiefofthejojos [~bpitcher@216.70.250.130] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [10:31] the problem more or less goes away if we can get quorum all the time [10:32] Kamion++ [10:32] I'll talk to sabdfl about what we can do about that === kassetra [~kassetra@c-67-171-201-213.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:32] ok. [10:32] Kamion: yeah, having one window every 2 months means that it's very inconvenient if you miss it [10:32] we've spent too much time on it; let's take this discussion to the ubuntu-devel list [10:32] especially since the point is that not everyone can be present at the meeting ;-) [10:32] heh [10:32] on to maintainer candidates [10:33] do we actually need to look at MaintainerCandidates, or only the folks who are on the agenda proper? [10:33] MC is huge [10:33] just take the agenda [10:33] Kamion wanted us to look at MC itself [10:33] unless I misinterpreted? [10:33] ogra: ++ [10:33] erm [10:33] I wanted people not to be left out in the cold for a full month [10:33] Saravanan Raju, here? [10:33] could we first do the ppl on the agenda, i know some have to leave [10:33] up to you how you prioritise it :) [10:33] John Levin, here? [10:33] Martin Krafft, here? [10:34] Darren Critchley, here? [10:34] David Walker, here? [10:34] mdz, most of them arent even members yet [10:34] Marco Bonetti, here? [10:34] Luke Yelavich, here? [10:34] Diego Andrs Asenjo, here? [10:34] moquist: here? [10:34] Amaya Rodrigo, here? [10:34] moquist isnt a maintainer ?? [10:34] Monty Taylor, here? [10:35] Gerardo Di Giacomo here [10:35] David Mandelberg, here? [10:35] astharot-: I am processing the list in order, please wait a moment [10:35] Brian Sutherland, here? [10:35] sorry :P [10:35] doh.. Amaya did apply as maintainer? :) [10:35] JorgeOCastro, here? [10:35] Imre Kaloz, here? [10:35] fabbione: Before I did, IIRC. =) [10:35] fabbione: ages ago [10:35] MatthewParslow, here? [10:36] fabbione, i think only as member, there was no distinction at this time [10:36] fabbione: yes, though I don't think she has ever attended a meeting to be considered officially [10:36] MarioCarrion, here? [10:36] GoedsonPaixao, here? [10:36] i will make another section on the Maintainer Candidates page and move all of those that need to show up again [10:36] BjrnOveGrtan, here? === pablof [~kurumin@200.128.80.254] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [10:36] Javier Carranza, here? [10:36] dholbach: thanks [10:36] Zac Brown, here? [10:36] George Farris, here? [10:36] Arnaud Vandyck, here? [10:37] Stephen Shirley, here? [10:37] could they just speak up if they are here and on the list? [10:37] tseng|work: not all at once [10:37] tseng|work: we're nearly at the end anyway [10:37] FrodeDoeving, here? [10:37] Gabriel Puliatti, here? [10:37] \sh: you're here [10:37] <\sh> Stephan Hermann is here [10:37] that's not a very good hit rate === siretart is shocked [10:38] it's an extra meeting and it wasn't announced on the wiki page [10:38] <\sh> siretat is also on the list (agenda) [10:38] dholbach, ogra: can either of you speak on behalf of \sh? [10:38] actually it was on the wikipage === ogra proposes to process tseng|work now, i know he urgently has to go [10:38] \sh: we'll continue with the agenda in order === JohnDong [~jdong@d149-67-171-99.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:38] <\sh> mdz: ah ok [10:38] to late :( [10:38] and 2 e-mails were sent to the Ubuntu-devel list [10:38] granted the second was like 10 mins before the meeting started [10:39] i was surprised by the meeting, the wiki page says 31st === JaneW checks again [10:39] hi, everyone :) [10:39] JohnDong: the tech board meeting is in progress [10:39] sorry [10:40] ogra,dholbach: \sh? [10:40] mdz, ok, \sh has done a handfull of packages on the review pages, the quality is ok and he has done a good amount for the CXX transition, i'd like to see him as a MOTU [10:40] mdz: i can vouch for him as well === xuzo [~xuzo@81-203-41-93.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:40] \sh++ [10:40] agreed [10:40]